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| 00:00.12 | netbar | tried Streamtuner vlc Exail Xmms2 Nothing works |
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| 00:02.28 | abrotman | works to do what? |
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| 00:02.58 | netbar | the plugins won't load |
| 00:03.21 | nsadmin | netbar: did you read through the docs? the description, the setup, theory of operation, etc? |
| 00:03.29 | bookmark | hehe i just scored a second laptop for fun and games |
| 00:03.44 | nsadmin | how did you do that? |
| 00:03.45 | netbar | streamtuner returns an error of no xmms file or directory |
| 00:03.57 | bookmark | well it's my friends but they said i can have it |
| 00:04.00 | netbar | I looked for Xmms but only found xmms2 with player and no music |
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| 00:06.09 | netbar | nsadmin: You know where I can find a DOC tha'll fix it. I read alot of howtos in the forums |
| 00:06.27 | nsadmin | did you read the docs that came with each? |
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| 00:07.16 | nsadmin | netbar: and no, because you haven't found the exact problem |
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| 00:09.13 | luckylucy | a storm took out our servers, and now our website doesn't work. my "router" server doesn't seem to be recieving the request, i don't know where to look next.... |
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| 00:09.40 | nsadmin | luckylucy: you may have to drive to where the servers are |
| 00:10.04 | luckylucy | i am here. |
| 00:10.28 | nsadmin | ok, so your net connection from there seems to be working, since you're also here |
| 00:10.34 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:10.45 | nsadmin | brb |
| 00:10.49 | netbar | streamtuner loked like the most promissing. streamtuner returns an error of no xmms file or directory |
| 00:11.18 | netbar | cant execute child process is what it says |
| 00:12.59 | nsadmin | luckylucy: ok, first how exactly are you here? are you ircing from the router? or? |
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| 00:14.06 | luckylucy | i am using gogloom.com from within the "local" subnet. the webserver is in the "dmz" subnet, which i can ping from the router, and dns returns my correct ip. |
| 00:14.24 | luckylucy | note: the router is a debian box running shorewall. |
| 00:15.16 | nsadmin | hmm, I need to visualize this... |
| 00:16.14 | nsadmin | so you have a connection to the internet... cable? dsl? tN? |
| 00:16.30 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:16.36 | luckylucy | dsl |
| 00:16.58 | nsadmin | ok, and so the phone line is connected to a modem, which is connected to what? |
| 00:17.27 | luckylucy | debian server |
| 00:17.45 | luckylucy | eth0 |
| 00:17.48 | nsadmin | wait, no router? |
| 00:17.53 | luckylucy | it is the router. |
| 00:18.05 | nsadmin | which? the debian server? |
| 00:18.08 | luckylucy | yes |
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| 00:18.22 | luckylucy | there are three debian servers |
| 00:18.39 | luckylucy | one "router", one "webserver", and one "file server" |
| 00:18.41 | adb | netbar: adapt/edit , as user > nano .streamtuner/config < as in http://pastebin.ca/1457258 |
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| 00:19.07 | adb | and restart streamtuner |
| 00:19.09 | nsadmin | ok, the router has an eth1? |
| 00:19.19 | luckylucy | eth0, eth1, eth2 |
| 00:19.38 | nsadmin | eth0 to the modem? |
| 00:19.42 | luckylucy | yes |
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| 00:19.47 | nsadmin | eth1? |
| 00:19.53 | luckylucy | local subnet |
| 00:20.01 | nsadmin | masqed? |
| 00:20.29 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:20.30 | netbar | adb: Thnx I go check right now |
| 00:20.41 | nsadmin | ok, what's on the local subnet? |
| 00:21.12 | luckylucy | file server, and a wireless access point, which i am using right now via a laptop |
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| 00:21.40 | nsadmin | how's the file server workign? |
| 00:22.00 | luckylucy | fine |
| 00:22.08 | luckylucy | samba server, i have access |
| 00:22.13 | nsadmin | eth2? |
| 00:22.18 | luckylucy | dmz |
| 00:22.24 | nsadmin | what's on it? |
| 00:22.29 | luckylucy | webserver |
| 00:22.48 | nsadmin | can you ping it from the router? |
| 00:22.52 | luckylucy | yes |
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| 00:23.15 | nsadmin | ok, so your physical networking is all working? |
| 00:23.24 | luckylucy | i believe so. |
| 00:23.34 | nsadmin | looks that way... |
| 00:23.53 | nsadmin | does the webserver have real, external IPs on it? |
| 00:24.28 | luckylucy | no, it has an internal subnet ip, which port 80 from outside is forwarded to. |
| 00:24.56 | nsadmin | ok, so you have two masqed subnets |
| 00:25.03 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:25.12 | nsadmin | on separate wires |
| 00:25.15 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:25.53 | nsadmin | what happens when you telnet <webserver internal IP> 80 from the router? |
| 00:26.21 | luckylucy | connected |
| 00:26.39 | nsadmin | GET / <enter> <enter> |
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| 00:27.08 | luckylucy | thats my homepage... |
| 00:27.18 | nsadmin | and it closed the connection? |
| 00:27.22 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:27.36 | nsadmin | ok, looks like your web server has nothing wrong... |
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| 00:27.46 | nsadmin | I think the port forward is missing |
| 00:27.54 | luckylucy | it did not however require the second <enter> |
| 00:27.59 | luckylucy | don't know if that matters |
| 00:28.04 | nsadmin | not sure either |
| 00:28.48 | nsadmin | what happens if you telnet <webserver external IP> 80 from the laptop? |
| 00:28.49 | luckylucy | i think it is something to do with the router as well... |
| 00:28.52 | netbar | adb: I'm lost. don't know what to modify |
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| 00:29.38 | luckylucy | connected... |
| 00:29.55 | luckylucy | is there a GET / for windows? |
| 00:30.03 | nsadmin | and GET / <enter> |
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| 00:30.21 | nsadmin | that's the http protocol, should be the same everywhere |
| 00:30.34 | luckylucy | enter once, nothing, enter second time, shows html, but shows bad request. |
| 00:30.50 | luckylucy | <title>400 - bad request |
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| 00:30.58 | luckylucy | </title> |
| 00:31.12 | luckylucy | then connection to host lost |
| 00:31.18 | denysonique | Hi where can I change the input source for the microphone in gnome |
| 00:31.31 | nsadmin | and is that the problem you're experiencing from the outside as well? |
| 00:31.35 | luckylucy | yes |
| 00:32.01 | denysonique | since I have installed pulse audio on of the microphones in skype has disappeared |
| 00:32.18 | nsadmin | is it a simple port forward? or is there a proxy of some sort? |
| 00:32.24 | luckylucy | nsadmin: no proxy. |
| 00:32.31 | denysonique | or it could have been after the update of gnome |
| 00:32.41 | nsadmin | so you used iptables to forward? |
| 00:32.50 | denysonique | there is no more option in gnome-volume-control to choose the microphone either |
| 00:33.10 | nsadmin | right now it's not clear to me whether the web server got the request... |
| 00:33.24 | luckylucy | nsadmin: i used shorewall to set up all the routing. |
| 00:33.27 | nsadmin | could you check the logs? |
| 00:33.34 | nsadmin | of the web server |
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| 00:33.58 | luckylucy | yeah, need a minute, i am going to go grap another laptop. |
| 00:35.13 | nsadmin | it would be nice if you could watch the access log while you go about this... |
| 00:35.41 | nsadmin | I'm thinking also this could be a server name issue surrounding a dns server |
| 00:36.17 | tuvwx | what is a good netbook that plays well with debian/linux? |
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| 00:37.38 | luckylucy | ok, now i have another computer so i can watch, 1sec |
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| 00:40.32 | luckylucy | nsadmin, do you know what the log level for apache should be for this, i only have it set as warn, i believe we either need debug, info or notice.. otherwise i need to look at the manual |
| 00:41.26 | avegas | hi, section 3.5 of the document at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
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| 00:41.50 | avegas | makes it sound as though I can upgrade to lenny by running something along the lines of |
| 00:42.01 | nsadmin | luckylucy: can you see all three accesses we just did? |
| 00:42.08 | avegas | apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 00:42.44 | nsadmin | avegas: gotta read the release notes for upgrade instructions |
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| 00:42.51 | avegas | nsadmin, okay |
| 00:42.56 | avegas | nsadmin, thanks |
| 00:42.59 | nsadmin | there are extra steps, see what they are |
| 00:43.10 | Gokee2 | Anyone know where I can get a copy of Debian Etch? |
| 00:43.25 | nsadmin | etch is oldstable |
| 00:43.33 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, Thats right |
| 00:43.33 | abrotman | !tell Gokee2 about cd archive |
| 00:43.37 | nsadmin | it's probably still on the mirrors |
| 00:43.40 | avegas | nsadmin, this is a box of inherited, can you point me in the direction of some good docs on getting started/determining the current state of the machine? |
| 00:43.42 | luckylucy | nsadmin: i am locked out of the apache2 logs, permission denied, even with sudo... |
| 00:44.11 | avegas | nsadmin, I suppose the apt manual would be good, but something pithy would be awesome |
| 00:44.11 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Perfect thanks |
| 00:44.14 | nsadmin | luckylucy: wow... |
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| 00:44.19 | luckylucy | yeah |
| 00:44.31 | abrotman | Gokee2: you really should be installing lenny though |
| 00:44.32 | theman1 | Hey, does anyone know how i can decrypt a string, that is encoded with rc4 (or ssl? base 64) that is salted with a pass? Thanks |
| 00:44.45 | nsadmin | avegas: hold on... |
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| 00:44.52 | avegas | nsadmin, will do, thanks |
| 00:45.02 | nsadmin | luckylucy: that's a diferent problem... :) |
| 00:45.11 | luckylucy | nsadmin: i am going to change the log location to my home directory and restart apache, i think i can fix this one. |
| 00:45.39 | Gokee2 | abrotman, I am making a virtual computer up with my server config so I can text upgrading in a virtual environment first |
| 00:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, # chmod u+r /path/to/log |
| 00:45.41 | nsadmin | wait one sec before you do that |
| 00:45.42 | luckylucy | nsadmin: all this worked fine 2 hrs ago.... |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | Gokee2: oh .. good plan :) |
| 00:45.58 | nsadmin | then the storm hit? |
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| 00:47.28 | luckylucy | yeah, but that should have read 24hrs ago, the storm was last night. i had to get the internal stuff running first, it shut everything down, i had to replace a batter backup and a powersupply in the file server, i think we got hit with lightening |
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| 00:48.32 | nsadmin | luckylucy what was the original path to the logs? |
| 00:48.58 | luckylucy | var /log /apache2 |
| 00:49.16 | nsadmin | ok, ls -ld /var/log/apache2 |
| 00:49.28 | nsadmin | should be one line |
| 00:50.04 | luckylucy | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root |
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| 00:50.23 | nsadmin | and you can't cd in there? |
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| 00:50.53 | nsadmin | I think you need root to get to /var/log |
| 00:50.55 | luckylucy | drwxr-x--- 2 root adm |
| 00:51.04 | abrotman | no |
| 00:51.08 | luckylucy | for the actual file |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | what's the problem ? |
| 00:51.20 | theman1 | No one knows how? |
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| 00:51.56 | luckylucy | f this, i am changing the apache log location. so much easier |
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| 00:53.01 | abrotman | luckylucy: what's the problem again ? |
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| 00:53.18 | luckylucy | abrotman, webserver down. |
| 00:53.30 | nsadmin | abrotman: sudden problem prevents web server from serving the home page to outside. server is on a masqed subnet (one of two on two separate eths emanating from a debian router box) and port 80 is forwarded to the web server from the router |
| 00:54.01 | abrotman | and you can't read the logs ? |
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| 00:54.27 | nsadmin | abrotman: a storm hit, and after that things got weird. later, web server failed to serve. |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | fsck ? |
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| 00:55.28 | abrotman | maybe try using apache2ctl |
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| 00:55.33 | luckylucy | i just caused another problem.....changing log location causes apache2 unable to open logs, restart fails |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | any file systems full ? |
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| 00:56.17 | abrotman | did you do the fsck? can root read the apache2 log files? |
| 00:56.39 | nsadmin | so I'd suggest you put the log loc back, restart and we'll try getting access to the logs |
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| 00:57.25 | nsadmin | abrotman: reason for the logs, is I'm not sure which web server picked up the request and served a 400 result, so I want to see if the logs picked that up |
| 00:57.40 | nsadmin | had him do the following earlier: |
| 00:57.46 | luckylucy | just tried, now: failed to correctly shutdown apache |
| 00:58.22 | luckylucy | now apache can't open the log file, permission denied.... wtf |
| 00:58.36 | nsadmin | from router box: telnet <webserver internal IP> 80 ; GET / <enter>, that worked |
| 00:59.27 | nsadmin | from laptop on separate subnet: telnet <webserver external IP> 80 ; GET / <enter> (took another <enter>), got 400 |
| 00:59.57 | nsadmin | asked if that is the original problem he's complaining about, answer was yes |
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| 01:00.29 | nsadmin | that's the whole history as far as I know it |
| 01:01.24 | nsadmin | at that point I was suspicious, and skeptical whether the web server on the forwarded port got the request |
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| 01:02.04 | nsadmin | or some other web server, maybe one in the modem :) |
| 01:02.13 | luckylucy | ok, i put the log location back to original, and changed the level back to warn, and now i am getting a could not open config directory /var/log/apache2; Permission denied |
| 01:02.17 | abrotman | he can ssh to the box? from the webserver, does it serve requests with telnet ? |
| 01:02.54 | nsadmin | abrotman: it does serve requests from the router to the web server |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | from the server? |
| 01:03.22 | nsadmin | he can ping the box... dunno presently about ssh, but he is in the box now |
| 01:04.05 | nsadmin | luckylucy: are you into the web server box via ssh? |
| 01:05.54 | luckylucy | yes |
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| 01:07.34 | abrotman | luckylucy: have you done an fsck on the filesystem ? |
| 01:08.01 | c0m1 | Newb question: So, what exactly happens when u update the initramfs? I mean, when u run update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 01:09.22 | luckylucy | abrotman: no, says may cause severe damage. |
| 01:09.36 | c0m1 | more specifically, what info on the system does it look at to determine what he initramfs should look like? |
| 01:09.50 | c0m1 | *the |
| 01:10.12 | luckylucy | maybe i am reading that wrong, that is e2fsck |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | luckylucy: you shouldn't do it on a live FS |
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| 01:11.10 | luckylucy | ok, i have apache running now, but still can't access the logs. |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | luckylucy: you don't have physical access to the system ? |
| 01:12.06 | luckylucy | yes, but no monitor or keyboard or mouse, just a box |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | you could do a `touch /forcefsck && reboot` .. but if there's a big problem, you'll need to attach a monitor/kb |
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| 01:12.52 | luckylucy | oh shit, i just cd /var/log, then dir and got ????????????????????????/ ? ? ? ? ? |
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| 01:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | fsck... as abrotman told you... 15 minutes ago? |
| 01:13.39 | abrotman | i'm going with 20 |
| 01:13.47 | nsadmin | you could try this dangerous move: |
| 01:14.01 | nsadmin | sync ; sync ; sync ; sync ; reset the machine |
| 01:14.13 | abrotman | need to fsck |
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| 01:14.34 | nsadmin | it's dangerous, your milage may VARY... but your root fs will be checked and repaired as best it can |
| 01:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | did anyone already mention he needs to fsck? |
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| 01:14.53 | luckylucy | i am a little unsure as to how to fsck i need to read a minute... |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | luckylucy: fi you do the touch /forcefsck .. it will try to do it automagically the best it can .. but if there's anything serious, you will need a monitor/kb |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | or at least a serial console |
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| 01:15.40 | Tramp | init to single, umount /var fsck then - provided he has a seperate var |
| 01:16.16 | luckylucy | abrotman: cannot touch '/forcefsck': read-only file system |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | awesome |
| 01:16.25 | nsadmin | he's actuall physically in the building with the server |
| 01:16.50 | luckylucy | am i fscked? |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | though if it's RO .. the system probably already knew there was an error and mounted it RO |
| 01:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually that interactive mode of fsck seems a joke... last time I needed/used that I just kept on pressing 'y' anyway - at that point, what other choice do you have |
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| 01:17.01 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: a magnet |
| 01:17.05 | nsadmin | luckylucy: you need to be! :) |
| 01:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, doesn't sound like much of a choice to me |
| 01:17.31 | nsadmin | you might have to do the dangerous move |
| 01:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | i'd try to restart it once .. see if it comes back up RW .. then touch /forcefsck .. reboot again .. oh .. and pray |
| 01:18.08 | luckylucy | ok, before we go any further, i need to get some stuff off of here, specifically a mysql database. i need to do some reading |
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| 01:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's mounted ro anyway, he can as well fsck it now |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | assuming the mysql db is readable ... |
| 01:18.47 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no need to reboot for that partition anyway |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | luckylucy: is /var/ a separate partition ? |
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| 01:19.24 | luckylucy | no |
| 01:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, if you can't touch /forcefsck because / is mounted ro, that means you can run fsck on / |
| 01:19.53 | luckylucy | i believe debian defaults otherwise |
| 01:20.05 | luckylucy | as far as the partitioning |
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| 01:20.17 | abrotman | it does give you the option .. if you do guided, i believe it just does a / and swap |
| 01:20.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian doesn't default anything... you're asked to do your own partitioning |
| 01:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... there is a non-expert mode :) |
| 01:20.43 | luckylucy | yes, which is me! |
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| 01:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're a mode? |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 01:21.18 | nsadmin | you should consider having /var, /usr, /tmp, /home as separate partitions |
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| 01:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | arbotman :) |
| 01:21.28 | nsadmin | on a server |
| 01:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, what for... |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: FWIW .. i highlight on abotman and abortman :) |
| 01:22.32 | nsadmin | damage containment? :) |
| 01:22.48 | nsadmin | to make sure / doesn't fill up? |
| 01:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | (well, I know what for, but the benefits and the problems it creates are similarly severe) |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | lvm! |
| 01:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | less partitions == less chance to have them fill up |
| 01:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, lvm, true... but that again adds a level of complexity that can make your problems worse |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: however, that does allow that your apache log could fill / .. creating a few other problems |
| 01:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | logrotate! |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | which runs once per day? |
| 01:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and big disks ... |
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| 01:24.55 | abrotman | hands CutMeOwnThroat a big pile of 'ab' |
| 01:26.12 | crazyfrog | when my notebook boot,it says "ata1:sofereset failed(device not ready).how to fix it? |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | your HDD? |
| 01:26.56 | crazyfrog | when my notebook boot,it says "ata1: softreset failed(device not ready).how to fix it? |
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| 01:28.17 | crazyfrog | it shoud be ata |
| 01:28.42 | luckylucy | the /etc directory is empty now! |
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| 01:30.01 | luckylucy | ok, how can i avoid disaster here, seems i am missing directories, and need to get a folder and a mysql database off, however, i cannot open another ssh connection from my laptop with my winscp program to move files. |
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| 01:30.39 | luckylucy | i don't want to close my ssh connection, i may not get another one. |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | luckylucy: likely they're all in /lost+found/ |
| 01:30.58 | luckylucy | permission denied |
| 01:33.11 | crazyfrog | when my notebook boot,it says "ata1: softreset failed(device not ready).how to fix it?who can help me? |
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| 01:34.05 | luckylucy | abrotman: logged in another session as root, lost+found is empty. |
| 01:34.37 | luckylucy | Stale NFS handle warning, need to read on that one |
| 01:35.22 | nsadmin | nfs? |
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| 01:37.54 | luckylucy | that's what it says. |
| 01:38.14 | DavidFreeman2 | Hi, channel - anyone know where I might discuss AOE kernel module topics? |
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| 01:38.49 | karsten | luckylucy: Sounds like a bad disk crash. What partitions did you have and where were they mounted from? |
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| 01:40.06 | karsten | luckylucy: Um. Don't fsck mounted filesystems. Very bad. |
| 01:40.37 | karsten | luckylucy: I've gotta split. Good luck. You're going to need it. |
| 01:41.11 | luckylucy | thanks |
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| 01:42.05 | karsten | luckylucy: check your mounts in /proc/mounts |
| 01:42.30 | karsten | luckylucy: Sounds like root FS got remounted read-only, which is generally what happens w/ FS errors. |
| 01:42.39 | karsten | luckylucy: 'dmesg' may show you your kernel errors. |
| 01:43.02 | karsten | luckylucy: ... if you've still got 'dmesg'. Otherwise busybox may be your friend. Sound like a good time to have done backups last night. |
| 01:44.07 | luckylucy | i have dmesg, but this is way over my head, logts of bad entry in directory... |
| 01:44.25 | luckylucy | EXT3-fs error |
| 01:44.46 | DavidFreeman2 | Anybody using Debian Sparc? |
| 01:45.04 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 01:45.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:45.34 | nsadmin | and <sicco> |
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| 01:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, you can fsck mounted filesystem if the mount is ro |
| 01:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's actually the usual procedure for /) |
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| 01:48.54 | glicks | hi |
| 01:49.04 | glicks | hey is that a channal geared towards netbooks? |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | there or this? |
| 01:49.25 | sernin | Heh. |
| 01:49.35 | glicks | there |
| 01:49.36 | glicks | heh |
| 01:49.38 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Right. |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | glicks: which netbook? |
| 01:49.45 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: But you really want to make sure of that first. |
| 01:49.56 | glicks | well im looking at the T101H from asus, its not out yet though |
| 01:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, (which I already suggested to him, as / seems to be mounted ro because of errors anyway) |
| 01:50.03 | glicks | wondering if anyone knew when its expected |
| 01:50.06 | karsten | luckylucy: If you can dump that somewhere and copy to a pastebin, we may be able to hel you with that. |
| 01:50.13 | karsten | luckylucy: ... or rather, folks other than me |
| 01:50.17 | karsten | really is leaving |
| 01:50.23 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, saw that after I mentioned it. |
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| 01:50.35 | abrotman | glicks: maybe ask Asus? |
| 01:50.43 | karsten | makes like a leaf and trees. |
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| 01:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | fall down in autumn? |
| 01:51.39 | luckylucy | why cant i scp from a read only file system...does copy require wx access? |
| 01:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually trees don't do that , though |
| 01:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, no, it doesn't |
| 01:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... probably because of the same reason you can't read your logs |
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| 01:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, just run fsck... whatever damage there is is already done... either you have a backup or you don't... making a backup now is like... covering the well after the little kid fell in |
| 01:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, whatever fsck can recover of garbled files will go in /yourpartition/lost+found |
| 01:54.59 | luckylucy | no, i got one folder, the website, and it's the newest version, it worked!...now just the db and i will be fine with anything that might work. |
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| 01:59.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, whatever... make sure to just rip out the plug of the power cable when you buy&attach an ups as well... |
| 01:59.32 | luckylucy | i didn't mean no i wouldn't listen to your suggestion, don't take that the wrong way, i am just worried and want to do what i can before trying something new. |
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| 02:00.43 | luckylucy | i have a ups, are you mad that i am trying to be careful, don't take it the wrong way. |
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| 02:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not mad... just teasing you |
| 02:01.36 | luckylucy | oh, ok, everyone deserves a little of that. |
| 02:02.00 | luckylucy | this is my first IT disaster.... |
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| 02:09.02 | nsadmin | luckylucy: best thing to do is live and learn... |
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| 02:11.31 | luckylucy | i'm living, don't yet know what the lesson is....backup more often than a weekly maybe? |
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| 02:11.36 | abrotman | you've got to .. laugh a little .. cry a little |
| 02:11.50 | luckylucy | apparently pray sometimes too. |
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| 02:14.58 | luckylucy | i think i lost this battle, no more ssh, no more ping when i tried to stop mysql, it all went away. |
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| 02:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, perhaps your disk is just dead |
| 02:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Start Remote Session"? |
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| 02:34.12 | luckylucy | CutMeOwnThroat: hooked up a monitor, now i have Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init. |
| 02:37.03 | nsadmin | oh man... time to reinstall... |
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| 02:37.57 | nsadmin | if you want to try and rescue the db still, put another hd in there, install a throwaway debian on that drive. |
| 02:38.15 | nsadmin | mount the other drive somewhere like /mnt and try to get the mysql files |
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| 02:39.17 | luckylucy | does it have to be linux. the reason i ask is i have winxp on a usb stick. it will boot. don't know where that would get me for mysql, but it works for files on our xp laptops |
| 02:40.05 | nsadmin | what's your goal right now? |
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| 02:40.57 | luckylucy | mysql dump and copy to anywere. then try to get linux fixed. |
| 02:41.10 | luckylucy | anywhere except the server it's on. |
| 02:41.11 | nsadmin | if you want to mount the partition, it has to be linux |
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| 02:42.22 | nsadmin | I'm guessing you would need to copy the files of the mysql, I'm guessing you cannot start anything right now on that partition, I'm guessing that partition is fried broiled baked and quite dead |
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| 02:43.00 | luckylucy | yeah, and it seems every time i try to do something, it gets worse |
| 02:43.01 | nsadmin | I'm also guessing that the more you run that linux, the more damaged the partition will get |
| 02:43.15 | fuxartige33 | ha, nice one! http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/debian_notes_cheat_sheets.html ;) |
| 02:43.19 | nsadmin | even idle |
| 02:44.26 | luckylucy | ok, the only issue is, i need to get mysql running on it to dump, i think. i don't think i can dump this db from another drive having mysql...can anyone verify? i will also ask in #mysql |
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| 02:44.58 | nsadmin | luckylucy: but that's probably not going to happen with your partition the way it is now |
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| 02:45.49 | nsadmin | ask also in #mysql what files comprise the database, because you need to backup the files themselves |
| 02:46.58 | nsadmin | and shut that thing down! |
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| 02:49.57 | luckylucy | ok, i found the files, now i need to be able to login so i can get to them. is that possible? |
| 02:50.13 | Perhaps | hi, anyone know of a debian package containing mp4box? |
| 02:50.13 | luckylucy | they seem to still be all there, no ????? for anything |
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| 02:50.53 | enouf | can you boot using init=/bin/sh ? |
| 02:50.58 | luckylucy | it shows my uid as 0 and i just have a sh-3.2# whatever that is. |
| 02:51.16 | enouf | looks like initramfs/busybox |
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| 02:51.41 | luckylucy | command executed with no errors, no change in propt though |
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| 02:52.24 | enouf | judd: info mp4box |
| 02:53.28 | enouf | !find mp4box |
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| 02:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, you can just copy mysql databases... |
| 02:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dump is nice and all, but they're just regular files |
| 02:55.39 | luckylucy | why can |
| 02:55.49 | luckylucy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Perhaps -about apt-file |
| 02:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and seems there's only a manpage) |
| 02:56.15 | enouf | did something kill the bots or what? |
| 02:56.18 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...what is the command for installing deb packages ? |
| 02:56.46 | purplepenguins | dpkg can do it |
| 02:56.46 | dpkg | purplepenguins: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:56.47 | enouf | dpkg: wake up! |
| 02:56.47 | dpkg | enouf: I'm already awake! :) |
| 02:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, the stuff under /var/lib/mysql... |
| 02:57.03 | purplepenguins | oops |
| 02:57.07 | cobra-the-joker | dpkg <package.deb> ?? |
| 02:57.08 | dpkg | i don't know, cobra-the-joker |
| 02:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckylucy, btw. is your 1st name "bad"? |
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| 02:57.31 | purplepenguins | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.32 | dpkg | installs <.deb> into purplepenguins's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 02:57.32 | benschwarz | Hey folks |
| 02:57.36 | benschwarz | Just a question about |
| 02:57.39 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 02:57.41 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: ask them if they know Freddy Fingers |
| 02:57.44 | purplepenguins | -i for install |
| 02:57.47 | benschwarz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.48 | purplepenguins | it doesn't handle deps |
| 02:57.55 | purplepenguins | so you'll have to handle those with apt |
| 02:57.57 | purplepenguins | first |
| 02:58.05 | benschwarz | will /usr/bin/env check your path for said named binary? |
| 02:58.16 | enouf | !tell benschwarz -about enter |
| 02:58.17 | tuvwx | what is a good netbook that plays well with debian/linux? |
| 02:58.29 | nsadmin | purplepenguins: actually it does (you mean dpkg right?) it checks them. |
| 02:58.32 | purplepenguins | tuvwx system32 starling is good |
| 02:58.43 | purplepenguins | nsadmin: not in my experience... |
| 02:58.52 | benschwarz | enouf: Yeah thanks for your effort there |
| 02:58.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: tell benschwarz we don't get the question |
| 02:58.57 | nsadmin | oh, so you've never dpkg --help :) |
| 02:59.16 | enouf | apt-get / aptitude install -f to satisfy the missing depends |
| 02:59.30 | benschwarz | CutMeOwnThroat: When using /usr/bin/env bash -- does it search your path for the bash binary? |
| 02:59.33 | nsadmin | it doesn't download anything, for one thing |
| 02:59.38 | purplepenguins | tuvwx otherwise...asus eee is fine, my mate uses the easy peasy |
| 02:59.42 | benschwarz | Just wanting to know how /usr/bin/env works really |
| 02:59.55 | tuvwx | purplepenguins: what on earth is system32 starling? |
| 03:00.00 | enouf | strace it |
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| 03:00.19 | star | Hi all. I have a problem with struct file; I use wlan_open to open a file in module. And the vaule of fp->f_dentry->d_inode->i_size allways zero. It's puzzle me. Linux kernel version: 2.6.17.14 |
| 03:00.32 | purplepenguins | tuvwx: tuvwx: it is a computer builder that uses ubuntu on all its machines |
| 03:00.44 | purplepenguins | they have a wide selection of models |
| 03:00.50 | purplepenguins | the starling is their netbook model |
| 03:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | benschwarz, indeed... strace -f -F -e open /usr/bin/env bash to see it in detail - but yes - as you don't enter a path and execute bash, it must... |
| 03:01.04 | purplepenguins | err, it might be system37..i can't remember |
| 03:01.20 | purplepenguins | ...system76 that was it |
| 03:01.27 | purplepenguins | i'm striking out tonight :| |
| 03:01.41 | benschwarz | Good tip CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:01.48 | purplepenguins | tuvwx: http://www.system76.com/ |
| 03:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps -e open is wrong for exec |
| 03:02.04 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 03:02.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 03:02.54 | tuvwx | purplepenguins: got it.. thanks |
| 03:03.26 | purplepenguins | the nice thing is that it seems to have a fullsize keyboard |
| 03:03.33 | purplepenguins | unlike the eee with its horrific layout |
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| 03:04.13 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: try -etrace=open,read,close,connect ... |
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| 03:04.16 | tuvwx | purplepenguins: i liked the look of the dell mini10. keyboard looks nice too |
| 03:04.40 | purplepenguins | mini 10 is nice |
| 03:04.54 | purplepenguins | i like the idea of buying a linux-loaded laptop though |
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| 03:05.04 | purplepenguins | dell will have nicer support plans i'd imagine |
| 03:05.17 | tuvwx | purplepenguins: it's available with linux (ubuntu) from dell's website |
| 03:05.34 | purplepenguins | it is |
| 03:06.14 | tuvwx | purplepenguins: eeepc seems to get better ratings, but i find it ugly |
| 03:06.19 | tuvwx | and heavy |
| 03:06.30 | purplepenguins | it isn't so heavy |
| 03:06.32 | purplepenguins | it is ugly |
| 03:06.40 | purplepenguins | and as i said before, keyboard layout is a pain |
| 03:06.49 | purplepenguins | they have up arrow where right shift ought to be |
| 03:06.56 | nsadmin | is it internally more solid? |
| 03:07.10 | purplepenguins | internally? |
| 03:07.30 | nsadmin | motherb, hardware, ps, case |
| 03:07.36 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 03:07.36 | luckylucy | i don't know how to get this file off my system. i can't scp, cant find the usb stick i put in, how can i get a file off of the computer? |
| 03:07.46 | purplepenguins | they all use the same atom processor |
| 03:07.55 | purplepenguins | i don't know about the rest |
| 03:08.02 | tuvwx | lenovo's ideapad is supposedly the best internally designed. easily accessible components, and laptop card slot |
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| 03:09.59 | hyy | If I accidently removed the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, How do I generate it again please? I tried update-grub |
| 03:10.23 | hyy | After I run update-grub, there is still no file named menu.lst in /boot/grub/ |
| 03:10.29 | tuvwx | hyy: maybe dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
| 03:10.59 | hyy | tuvwx: No |
| 03:11.20 | hyy | Nothing replied after dpkg-reconfigure grub, and after running, No menu.lst either |
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| 03:13.52 | tuvwx | hyy: "It will also create the initial menu.lst if none exists" <- from update-grub manpage |
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| 03:14.17 | hyy | tuvwx: but the truth is, If I run update-grub, and the file is not there at all |
| 03:14.18 | hyy | :-) |
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| 03:18.09 | tuvwx | hyy: i'd try to reinstall grub, or purge/install |
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| 03:18.11 | adb | hyy: apt-file search menu.lst , try to reinstall |
| 03:18.37 | tuvwx | adb: menu.lst is generated. it does not belong to a package according to apt |
| 03:18.55 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.12 | adb | grub .. |
| 03:19.28 | c0m1 | what do you think is the most space that you really need for a /boot directory? |
| 03:19.33 | tuvwx | adb: most probably grub, or grub-common |
| 03:19.42 | c0m1 | b |
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| 03:20.00 | adb | c0m1: why /boot |
| 03:20.02 | adb | ? |
| 03:20.02 | deco | downloading debian torrent , moving away from ubuntu :-) |
| 03:20.21 | tuvwx | deco: good move |
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| 03:20.33 | c0m1 | adb: doing some fine grain partitioning, want as little space taken up by boot partition as is reasonable |
| 03:20.52 | purplepenguins | at least 100 |
| 03:21.13 | adb | for fine grain partitioning use / , not /boot |
| 03:22.01 | c0m1 | purplepenguins: 100 M ought to do it i suppose, my boot dir is only using 32 M |
| 03:22.17 | adb | c0m1: /boot is a waste space |
| 03:22.20 | purplepenguins | you have to keep up with removing old kernels |
| 03:22.45 | purplepenguins | and i agree with adb, better to put one partition for / |
| 03:22.52 | purplepenguins | maybe make a separate one for /usr |
| 03:23.08 | c0m1 | purplepenguins: well, i actually need two, because one is for boot, and the rest is encrypted |
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| 03:23.13 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 03:23.16 | purplepenguins | that is fair |
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| 03:23.25 | purplepenguins | as i said, 100mb is good |
| 03:23.29 | tuvwx | a /boot partition may be required if the root partition is on lvm or md (raid) |
| 03:24.02 | yitz_ | What package can I use to read a Jet/MSAccess DB on Debian, if any? |
| 03:24.18 | adb | c0m1: than put /boot on USB flash |
| 03:24.51 | c0m1 | c0m1: that's not a bad idea actually... except the computer is kind of old - don' |
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| 03:24.57 | areay | im using an ubuntu box as a gateway for my network... my other ubuntu box can get on the network fine, but my laptop (running debian) cannot... the /etc/network/interfaces is setup the same, just with wireless... for some reason i can't ping anything on my local network from my laptop |
| 03:24.58 | c0m1 | don't know if it can boot from usb |
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| 03:25.25 | purplepenguins | areay, networkmanager? |
| 03:25.31 | purplepenguins | or try wicd |
| 03:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or post an error |
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| 03:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | "/msg dpkg doesn't work" |
| 03:25.58 | areay | lol |
| 03:26.11 | areay | thanks guys i'll give wicd a try... |
| 03:26.15 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't ?! |
| 03:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, ... |
| 03:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | areay, does iwconfig show you're connected? |
| 03:26.52 | tuvwx | network-manager is evil |
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| 03:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 03:27.10 | adb | c0m1: even , if grub said boot from flash, even an old comp will boot IT |
| 03:27.10 | nsadmin | no one has been able to explain why ... means something other than etc... |
| 03:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuvwx, good job... <-- NOTevil (n=Ne@unaffiliated/notevil) has left #debian |
| 03:27.25 | areay | hmm as a matter of fact it says "access point: not associated" |
| 03:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | areay, but the correct kernel module for your wireless loaded without error? (check dmesg) |
| 03:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, I have to write a 'wireless checklist'//'networking checklist' factoid |
| 03:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I keep forgetting half of what needs to go in there |
| 03:29.09 | c0m1 | adb: ah, i see. never done it before, but makes sense |
| 03:29.31 | adb | i tested myself |
| 03:29.36 | areay | yeah it worked fine |
| 03:29.43 | nsadmin | atheros chipset is considered currently to be the most friendly especially towards linux? |
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| 03:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, yeah, I guess I was out of line... he wrote about ping and obviously didn't know/think of the other things one needs to check |
| 03:30.45 | c0m1 | adb: can u do that using the netinstall disk without much difficulty? |
| 03:30.45 | adb | sure |
| 03:30.45 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: no worries of course |
| 03:31.14 | areay | i don't understand it, all i did was go from a router to a pc... i should just change the gateway and be fine, right? |
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| 03:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | areay, interfaces for wireless is different than for wired lan... of course copying won't work |
| 03:33.35 | areay | i know, it was setup before... just using my router as a gateway... |
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| 03:35.42 | areay | it's no big deal it's only setup as a workstation... a reinstall im sure would fix the problem... but it doesn't educate me as to what the problem is |
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| 03:35.59 | areay | which means if i run into it in the future i'll be just as lost as i am now |
| 03:36.34 | adb | c0m1: i made 2 partitions , ext3 on flash of 2 GB. first for boot ~100 MB, second for data .. |
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| 03:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | areay, reinstalling is stupid... and NOT sure to fix anything ... not if you do the same things as previously :) |
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| 03:40.17 | nsadmin | in luckylucy's case, tht's going to take a serious wipe and reinstall |
| 03:40.42 | areay | yeah i know.... i just don't understand how this is happening... maybe my router doesn't like wireless clients connecting and then not requesting an ip address |
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| 03:40.47 | areay | ...from the router |
| 03:40.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, more like a new disk |
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| 03:41.01 | Javally | aeeeee alguem da Underlinux ae? |
| 03:41.11 | Javally | *anybody from Underlinux channel? |
| 03:41.27 | nsadmin | what's underlinux |
| 03:41.36 | ltune | hi, how do i make this modern shell signal SIGHUP.. you know like an interrupt with control+c? |
| 03:41.50 | Javally | a linux portal, from br |
| 03:41.56 | purplepenguins | kill -HUP? |
| 03:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | areay, iwconfig wlan[01] mode Managed essid yourRoutersName ap auto $encryption? ; iwconfig wlan[01] |
| 03:42.01 | Javally | admins br |
| 03:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | kill -HUP indeed... as it was a quarter century ago |
| 03:42.51 | nsadmin | ltune: as pp said, you can do it with kill -HUP pid |
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| 03:43.57 | ltune | the developer of ezstream says: you can make a SIGHUP to reaload the playlist to reaload playlists "on the fly".. so what happens with my process "ezstream" actually when i kill -HUP it? |
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| 03:44.23 | purplepenguins | you send it SIGHUP |
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| 03:44.31 | purplepenguins | and it should reload the playlist? |
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| 03:44.54 | ltune | lol, geee it works. thx mates;) |
| 03:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the developer of it says so, it should indeed :) |
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| 03:45.19 | ltune | now i can be a real DJ with my icecast2 server:) |
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| 03:45.45 | purplepenguins | woo |
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| 03:46.56 | iluminator101 | how do i add my self to sudoers i didnt setup root account |
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| 03:47.08 | areay | CutMeOwnThroat, comes up with all the settings, but still says "not associated"... it's really annoying, a lot of commands take a long time because i use NIS |
| 03:47.48 | ltune | i have no license unfortuately.. i play tracks from youtube, but they lost their license also in 30.03.2009.. well youtube is google but I have to check copyrights before broadcasting public, anyways thx guys |
| 03:48.26 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ...if i want to enable creating files and editing files in certain folder ..what should i do ...as i have a permission granting problem here with linux when i want to create files with php |
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| 03:51.20 | sylarr | I am looking for some server for VoIP, that doesn't allow file sharing |
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| 03:52.08 | sylarr | I have tried asterisk, but its compatibility with NAT with the SIP protocol that I have tried was lacking |
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| 03:52.36 | sylarr | does anyone know another VoIP server that fits my needs? |
| 03:53.29 | Rusty1 | cobra-the-joker: http://www.freeos.com/articles/3127/ altho there's probably better howtos out there |
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| 03:55.08 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 03:56.04 | yitz_ | Anyone know of a package that'll read Jet3/Jet4/MSAccess DB files? |
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| 03:59.22 | crazyfrog | how to import the gpg of "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org" |
| 03:59.58 | teratoma | sylarr: freeswitch or asterisk |
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| 04:04.39 | Rusty1 | crazyfrog: it's on the http://debian-multimedia.org/ page |
| 04:04.42 | hark | crazyfrog: the instructions are on the site |
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| 04:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | areay, IS it encrypted or not? If yes - temporarily switch WPA/WEP encryption off in the router |
| 04:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | also temporarily switch off limiting to certain mac-addresses in the router |
| 04:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | move closer with the laptop to the router so that weak signal is ruled out as well |
| 04:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | try again |
| 04:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (check signal strength with ... wossname iwscan list) |
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| 04:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... carefully rule out all kinds of stupidity |
| 04:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !killswitch |
| 04:22.12 | dpkg | Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 04:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if you get stations with iwlist scan, that's not a problem) |
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| 04:33.12 | DavidFreeman2 | Hi. I'm trying to use a script that relies upon the utility called "logger" to send output to the syslog. Can anyone tell me what its equivalent might be for a variant of Debian Sparc? |
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| 04:33.24 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...i got the shutdown icon disappeared from the system menu ...how can i get it back ? |
| 04:33.40 | cobra-the-joker | i am using KDM by the way |
| 04:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidFreeman2, syslogd? |
| 04:35.59 | DavidFreeman2 | CutMeOwnThroat: But is that to be invoked as a utility rather than a daemon? |
| 04:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see what you mean... |
| 04:36.44 | tlyu | "logger" is usually a command line utility that can send a message to syslog |
| 04:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got that from the question :) |
| 04:37.03 | DavidFreeman2 | Okay, I'm glad the three of us are on the same page now..... |
| 04:37.05 | DavidFreeman2 | :D |
| 04:38.11 | DavidFreeman2 | There seems to be no version of 'logger' in the repositories hit by this apt configuration. |
| 04:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is? |
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| 04:38.42 | glicks | anyone here have the EEE PC 1000HE? |
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| 04:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm please stand by for the following pauseclown... |
| 04:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !qotd180 |
| 04:40.16 | dpkg | <deb_noob> how do i open syslog? | <deb_noob> with kwrite? |
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| 04:41.43 | tlyu | logger program maybe in bsdutils, it looks like |
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| 04:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | DavidFreeman2, the closest I see is liblogger-syslog-perl - Logger::Syslog -- an simple wrapper over Sys::Syslog for Perl |
| 04:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win tlyu |
| 04:45.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, tlyu! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 04:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell DavidFreeman2 -about apt-file |
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| 04:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ----> apt-file search bin/logger |
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| 04:45.58 | areay | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry i was afk... thanks for your help tho... it seems to be working with no encryption so we've found the problem |
| 04:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, stupid me - it's on my system because of course I have bsdutils installed |
| 04:48.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would've been a lot easier than assuming it's in a package I don't have :( |
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| 04:55.11 | adama26 | I have some .desktop files on my desktop... they have "Name=" because the name is in the Icon. I just dist-upgraded (squeeze) and now they have "whatever.desktop" written under them. how do I get rid of that? |
| 04:56.39 | adama26 | it used to be just the icon with no text under it. |
| 04:56.49 | c0m1 | question: are there any good options for compressed filesystems? (other than squashfs?) |
| 04:57.19 | c0m1 | i.e., that are not read only |
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| 05:05.05 | bmoll8 | is it acceptable to install ubuntu deb files on a debian testing machine? |
| 05:05.13 | bmoll8 | googled it; didn't get an answer |
| 05:05.42 | bmoll8 | there are a couple of pieces of software i'd like to fiddle with that are not in testing or unstable |
| 05:05.50 | craigevil | bmoll8: not if you want your system to continue to work |
| 05:06.55 | wooj | bmoll8, download the source, and build your own deb |
| 05:07.05 | bmoll8 | yeah, I thought as much |
| 05:07.38 | bmoll8 | wooj: better to just wait until my software is made available in testing; downloading the source entails downloading all the dependencies, which can be a hassle |
| 05:08.09 | bmoll8 | i wanted to try amarok2, although amarok itself has been more than sufficient |
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| 05:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions amarok2 |
| 05:21.24 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: amarok2 -- |
| 05:21.29 | jelly-home | bmoll8: amarok 2.0 is a huge disappointment |
| 05:21.44 | jelly-home | the package is called "amarok" |
| 05:22.03 | jelly-home | bmoll8: lots of functionality missing |
| 05:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought might be split... |
| 05:22.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions amarok |
| 05:22.08 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4etch1 etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1 lenny: 1.4.10-2 sid: 1.4.10-3+b1 squeeze: 1.4.10-3+b1 experimental: 2.1-1 |
| 05:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so 2.1-1 is in experimental |
| 05:22.31 | c0m1 | question, on the hard drive encryption using the netinstall CD: I know what a passphrase encryption key is, but how does the random key work? |
| 05:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought it might be a rewrite like with xmms |
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| 05:23.00 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: it is mostly a rewrite, but by the same authors |
| 05:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean there might have been amarok + amarok2 packages in parallel because it's essentially a different software... |
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| 05:23.45 | bmoll8 | jelly-home: i find the original amarok to be quite impressive |
| 05:24.11 | jelly-home | they're all original. 1.4 and 2.x :-) |
| 05:24.17 | bmoll8 | since I run kde4, i try to stay away from gtk based apps; unfortunately, there aren't that many media players written with qt4 |
| 05:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nite... time to go home and listen if my pillow got any new stories for me |
| 05:25.16 | bmoll8 | jelly-home: the functionality in amarok2 is missing because it's new; give it time |
| 05:25.27 | bmoll8 | people were saying the same thing when kde4 was first released; it is awesome now |
| 05:25.34 | bmoll8 | and we're only at 4.2 |
| 05:26.18 | simonrvn | doesn't find it awesome |
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| 05:26.30 | jelly-home | bmoll8: this is an issue with kde people. their versioning policy sucks; and they're not aware functionality regressions make people look elsewhere |
| 05:26.49 | bmoll8 | simonrvn: what don't you like about it; i'm curious |
| 05:26.54 | c0m1 | question: when I install encryption through the netinstall CD, it asks if I want to use passphrase or random key. How does random key authentication work? |
| 05:26.59 | simonrvn | all of it |
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| 05:27.12 | bmoll8 | simonrvn: explain; i'm interested in your opinion |
| 05:27.17 | jelly-home | "oh hey, yeah we released 4.0; but don't use it, it's alpha quality." |
| 05:27.21 | simonrvn | they goofed it up royally, on many different levels |
| 05:27.33 | simonrvn | why, so you can flame me? |
| 05:27.37 | bmoll8 | personally, I like all the different widgets you can use; default fonts and icons are overall nicer |
| 05:27.42 | bmoll8 | simonrvn: no, i'm not that guy |
| 05:27.49 | bmoll8 | i have gnome installed as well, and switch between both |
| 05:28.24 | craigevil | the useless eyecandy, messed up or broken apps, apps that were great in kde3.5 are either broke or missing functions in kde4, it wasn't ready to be released when it was |
| 05:28.35 | simonrvn | i haven't used gnome in a month |
| 05:28.52 | bmoll8 | jelly-home: i agree--4.0 should not have been released |
| 05:28.58 | bmoll8 | jelly-home: they should have waited longer |
| 05:29.07 | bmoll8 | craigevil: which apps do you have in mind |
| 05:29.11 | jelly-home | s/released/versioned x.0/ |
| 05:29.26 | craigevil | i used to love kde it was the only desktop i have used for 5 years but when kde4 came out i switched to lxde |
| 05:29.46 | simonrvn | it seems to me that they used the versioning to have a buncha testers |
| 05:30.08 | jelly-home | is trying kde4 as a replacement for xfce4 and it mostly works |
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| 05:30.29 | simonrvn | i used 35.x on and off, or apps from it. now i have no kde apps at all. my favourites were kadressbook and kgpg |
| 05:30.36 | jelly-home | not burgeoned with knowing what was better in 3.5 |
| 05:30.40 | simonrvn | 3.5.x* |
| 05:30.56 | bmoll8 | jelly-home: yeah, I haven't had many problems with it |
| 05:31.03 | simonrvn | and i used konq sometimes when i got fed up with ff or galeon |
| 05:31.21 | jelly-home | I have kxkb and knetworkmanager in xfce ;-) |
| 05:31.25 | simonrvn | you have to have 4 GB of RAM to use it without swapping like mad |
| 05:31.35 | bmoll8 | i find the integrated eyecandy to be convenient; don't need compiz |
| 05:31.42 | bmoll8 | simonrvn: i'm running my desktop on 2gb |
| 05:31.54 | bmoll8 | simonrvn: it's more than enough; however, gnome and other desktops are certainly more responsive |
| 05:32.00 | jelly-home | simonrvn: -/+ buffers/cache: 462040 1604320 |
| 05:32.03 | simonrvn | not everyone has 2 gb to burn like that |
| 05:32.16 | craigevil | kde3.5 ran just fine on this desktop with only 512ram kde4 runs like a dead dog and that with effects turned off |
| 05:32.20 | simonrvn | some of us are poor |
| 05:32.25 | simonrvn | craigevil: same |
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| 05:32.43 | simonrvn | i don't *want* eyecandy, i want it to work |
| 05:32.44 | craigevil | lxde runs great |
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| 05:33.00 | simonrvn | using xfce + openbox atm |
| 05:33.06 | kornholi | fluxbox<3 |
| 05:33.08 | jelly-home | for me, it works pretty much the same as xfce |
| 05:33.13 | simonrvn | xfwm4 is too damned slow |
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| 05:33.31 | bmoll8 | simonrvn: i use fluxbox on older desktops |
| 05:33.55 | kornholi | 4gb ram and still flubox |
| 05:33.55 | jelly-home | simonrvn: where do you notice a wm being slow? |
| 05:34.26 | simonrvn | when it takes 5 seconds to redraw vs. under 2 |
| 05:34.36 | jelly-home | redraw what? |
| 05:34.41 | kornholi | lol srs |
| 05:34.47 | simonrvn | anything |
| 05:34.52 | kornholi | that might be your driver |
| 05:35.04 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I mean, after what action requiring a redraw? |
| 05:35.15 | jelly-home | how much does an xrefresh take? |
| 05:36.43 | jelly-home | found out xfce to be much more palatable after replacing 512MiB with 2GiB RAM ^.^ |
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| 05:37.03 | kornholi | ram isn't expensive anymore |
| 05:37.09 | jelly-home | also, the xfce people seem to have finally fixed some nasty memory leaks in 4.6 |
| 05:37.13 | kornholi | noone should have <1 if they can |
| 05:37.14 | kornholi | lol |
| 05:37.53 | jelly-home | gives kornholi a P3 laptop from 2001. |
| 05:38.04 | kornholi | ;P |
| 05:38.04 | JNSamuel | [06:33:16] <kornholi> 4gb ram and still flubox |
| 05:38.06 | JNSamuel | lol'd |
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| 05:38.19 | kornholi | ff eats 3gb |
| 05:38.27 | marvil07 | lol |
| 05:38.40 | JNSamuel | flubox became a pandemic! :O |
| 05:38.43 | jelly-home | you might want to stop using tabs as bookmarks |
| 05:38.49 | kornholi | lol |
| 05:38.51 | kornholi | impossible |
| 05:40.16 | craigevil | iceweasel doesnt use that much ram , -/+ buffers/cache: 221696 283008 , thats on lxde with iceweasel open for 2 days and evince for a week |
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| 05:41.08 | kornholi | not when you have 9000 tabs |
| 05:41.31 | kornholi | with buncha flashy things |
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| 05:41.54 | craigevil | haha nope, i only have 6 tabs including chatzilla and lastfm playing |
| 05:42.05 | kornholi | :P |
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| 05:48.14 | simonrvn | i exagerrated (sp?) with the refresh rates, i don't know how long, but obox is on the whole more responsive than xfwm4. |
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| 05:56.36 | sylarr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:57.30 | avegas | hey, is debian actually distributed on 5 dvds? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 05:57.52 | simonrvn | the entirety of it, yes |
| 05:58.01 | simonrvn | all 30K+ packages |
| 05:58.11 | avegas | there's 20gigs of debian packages? |
| 05:58.13 | avegas | that's amazing |
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| 05:58.55 | avegas | I'm headed of to no-bandwidth land for a while and I wanted to download a big dvd of debian to play with |
| 05:59.03 | avegas | but I wasn't quite expecting that much |
| 05:59.44 | avegas | ah, "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." |
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| 05:59.59 | avegas | must be an interesting priority queue that generates that setup |
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| 06:00.27 | simonrvn | yup. hell, you can do it on 3 floppies, or a 512 mb usb stick. |
| 06:00.52 | avegas | I wonder what the very last package on dvd 5 is |
| 06:01.32 | jelly-home | zynaddsubfx! |
| 06:01.42 | kornholi | that prog is awesome |
| 06:01.45 | jelly-home | (if you're talking alphabetically) |
| 06:01.57 | avegas | so debian has always struck me as quasi-religious organization, I think I may be interested in checking out the catechism finally :D |
| 06:03.07 | avegas | jelly-home,ZynAddSubFX does sound pretty awesome |
| 06:03.33 | kornholi | :P |
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| 06:03.56 | kornholi | combined with hydrogeen |
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| 06:04.37 | avegas | how does ubuntu end up interacting with the debian packaging system? they just use debian packages and through some extra configuration on top of them? |
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| 06:05.07 | avegas | *throw |
| 06:05.11 | ajavid | it doesn't |
| 06:05.17 | ajavid | !ubuntu |
| 06:05.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 06:05.22 | ajavid | dangit |
| 06:05.25 | ajavid | !based on debian |
| 06:05.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 06:05.34 | ajavid | stupid bot |
| 06:05.49 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:05.58 | ajavid | avegas, we dont' konw, ask #ubuntu how they derive from debian. |
| 06:06.01 | ajavid | simonrvn, hi! :) |
| 06:06.02 | avegas | :D |
| 06:06.39 | simonrvn | that doesn't explain the relationship at all... |
| 06:06.51 | avegas | so, Debian I've always gotten the impression that debian is the "free-est" distro |
| 06:07.03 | ajavid | simonrvn, I think it answers the question |
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| 06:07.25 | avegas | I suppose the beef with ubuntu is the extent to which they support binary blobs and what have you? |
| 06:07.44 | simonrvn | mostly, and the handholding |
| 06:07.51 | ajavid | avegas, I suppose, I only use debian, and only know debian. |
| 06:08.09 | avegas | handholding's not an entirely bad thing |
| 06:08.15 | avegas | goes a long way on dates |
| 06:08.16 | ajavid | it most certainly is |
| 06:08.25 | avegas | why? |
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| 06:08.38 | simonrvn | those are my two peeves with it. i do use it, but i much prefer debian |
| 06:08.38 | ajavid | I don't like my hand being held? |
| 06:08.40 | avegas | breeds "weak users" or something? |
| 06:08.48 | simonrvn | bad habits |
| 06:08.54 | ajavid | simonrvn, you use ubuntu? |
| 06:08.59 | avegas | all users must be strong like bull! |
| 06:09.04 | ajavid | tsk tsk tsk |
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| 06:09.51 | avegas | so an example of such a bad habit would be applying updates to your system without examining in detail the content of said updates? |
| 06:09.57 | simonrvn | no, of course not, that isn't realistic. i only speak for myself, and what i've seen. (and there's likely a gross over-generalisation there too) |
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| 06:10.31 | ajavid | ubuntu man.. the name is irritating. |
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| 06:10.36 | ajavid | it crawls on my skin. |
| 06:10.39 | simonrvn | not being aware of what you're doing, and potential implications. but people do that all the time in life.... |
| 06:10.41 | ajavid | *shudder* |
| 06:10.41 | avegas | some anthropologist ought to do a study of different linux distros |
| 06:10.57 | simonrvn | that thought has occurred to me |
| 06:11.09 | avegas | simonrvn, well, I mean black box abstractions are often a very good thing as well though |
| 06:11.12 | ajavid | anthtropologies? |
| 06:11.15 | ajavid | anthtropologist |
| 06:11.32 | avegas | anthro-apologist |
| 06:11.43 | simonrvn | to a certain extent. they shouldn't be a model for how you view the world, but only guide you. |
| 06:11.44 | ajavid | no I mean, wouldn't you call that like |
| 06:11.54 | avegas | they could call it "City of Linux" instead of "City of God" |
| 06:11.54 | ajavid | a linux 'taxonomist' ? |
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| 06:12.14 | ajavid | categorize and cataloge all linux distros |
| 06:12.18 | ajavid | maybe? |
| 06:12.20 | dub | ubuntu is about bringing linux to the people right? In that it succeeds. |
| 06:12.29 | avegas | well, no I'm talking about studying the habits of people on #ubuntu vs #debian vs #gentoo vs #fedora |
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| 06:12.41 | dub | the people want their hands held |
| 06:12.43 | simonrvn | making thoughtful decisions, whatever they may be, is a better policy in the long run, not because it's politic, or popular. |
| 06:12.48 | kornholi | ubuntu = top1 spam |
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| 06:12.58 | ajavid | enough. |
| 06:12.58 | kornholi | err, #ubuntu |
| 06:13.06 | avegas | well I agree on the thoughtful bit |
| 06:13.14 | ajavid | enough with the ubuntu BS |
| 06:13.24 | ajavid | carry this converstion to #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic please |
| 06:13.30 | avegas | aye aye |
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| 06:14.41 | avegas | anyways, I don't really have anything further to say |
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| 06:15.16 | ajavid | debian is top quality, that much is certain |
| 06:15.17 | shuttleworth | that's why debian have more than 20,000 packages... |
| 06:15.27 | kornholi | has* |
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| 06:16.10 | ajavid | crontab -l |
| 06:16.12 | ajavid | doh. |
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| 06:16.37 | shuttleworth | jurkki_ |
| 06:16.44 | ajavid | hey |
| 06:16.54 | ajavid | how do you guys backup your databases; |
| 06:16.55 | shuttleworth | y7 have you specified dns settings in japanese |
| 06:16.57 | ajavid | ? |
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| 06:19.02 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/38861/ <- cron = 0 0 * * * /home/ajavid/bin/database-backup.sh |
| 06:19.03 | shuttleworth | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.08 | ajavid | is this too much? |
| 06:19.08 | shuttleworth | debian is 10 times better that this shit... |
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| 06:19.16 | ajavid | midnight everynight, full backup, zipped |
| 06:19.18 | ajavid | ? |
| 06:19.19 | shuttleworth | ? |
| 06:19.28 | kornholi | ajavid: bz2 :| |
| 06:19.35 | kornholi | and 2am here |
| 06:19.36 | kornholi | lol |
| 06:19.36 | shuttleworth | i tried to install the ipod in, check cmdline: sudo fdisk -l and i get: ping: unknown host yahoo.com |
| 06:19.40 | simonrvn | enoparse |
| 06:20.30 | ajavid | shuttleworth, uhm... what? |
| 06:20.31 | shuttleworth | shuttleworth, that's quality?! |
| 06:20.46 | ajavid | shuttleworth, you plugged in the ipod, and used fdisk -l, and your network stopped working? |
| 06:20.47 | shuttleworth | the package manager should help to opendns.org ip / check cmdline: sudo fdisk -l |
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| 06:22.19 | dub | wat |
| 06:23.04 | kornholi | wtf lol |
| 06:23.12 | kornholi | kornholi: hi |
| 06:23.13 | liable | suspects a liberal amount of crack has been smoked |
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| 06:23.28 | ajavid | liable, ey! thats my joke! |
| 06:23.28 | simonrvn | or some sort of odd drug... |
| 06:23.30 | shuttleworth | can some help with synaptics nothing wrong. |
| 06:23.41 | dub | dadadodo bot? |
| 06:23.42 | kornholi | shuttleworth: u need to run the synaptiks.exe |
| 06:23.43 | shuttleworth | noutf8atconsole, no luck, i can run anthy via uim-toolbar-gtk for gui input again.. |
| 06:23.47 | ajavid | shuttleworth, do you speak english as a first langauge? |
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| 06:24.06 | ajavid | are you quite alright? |
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| 06:24.11 | shuttleworth | how about you can search my isp to use ubuntu, are from #ubuntu |
| 06:24.25 | simonrvn | plonks |
| 06:24.27 | ajavid | fantastic. |
| 06:24.29 | kornholi | shuttleworth: synaptiks.exe??????????? ? ? ? |
| 06:24.30 | shuttleworth | why myrtti ? |
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| 06:25.12 | simonrvn | ah, the advantages of not being an op |
| 06:25.54 | liable | especially at this time of day |
| 06:25.54 | shuttleworth | noutf8atconsole: have you can search my brain yourself at console |
| 06:27.18 | ajavid | shuttleworth, do you need help? or are you just taking the piss? |
| 06:27.19 | shuttleworth | noutf8atconsole, no need tomcat for the help |
| 06:27.31 | ajavid | shuttleworth |
| 06:27.32 | shuttleworth | hey, shuttleworth helped that one |
| 06:27.35 | ajavid | shuttleworth |
| 06:27.36 | shuttleworth | shuttleworth |
| 06:27.41 | ajavid | shuttleworth |
| 06:27.41 | shuttleworth | hey, shuttleworth |
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| 06:27.44 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 06:27.55 | ajavid | welcome to ignoredom. |
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| 06:29.14 | SPF | how large should you make the /boot partition? |
| 06:29.15 | shuttleworth | digdeep, make simple chars work |
| 06:29.16 | liable | alicia: stop your stupid bot please |
| 06:29.22 | kornholi | SPF: mines 200m |
| 06:29.33 | SPF | ah, ok |
| 06:29.42 | kornholi | you can use 128m |
| 06:29.43 | shuttleworth | alicia: how can some sort of odd drug... |
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| 06:29.59 | avegas_ | the key to crack is moderate use |
| 06:30.00 | ajavid | 100m is good |
| 06:30.06 | ajavid | 80m is good |
| 06:30.06 | kornholi | yup |
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| 06:30.19 | ajavid | if you plan on keeping a lot of kernels it, make it bigger |
| 06:30.25 | kornholi | barely using 20m with one kernel |
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| 06:30.43 | simonrvn | crack doesn't get you high, it's the crash that so crap. or so i've been told. i've tried it, and never got a buzz. |
| 06:30.49 | SPF | yea, well, mine is 64M currently, so I can only store 2 kernels |
| 06:30.54 | kornholi | or 3. |
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| 06:31.12 | ajavid | I've been told, crack is like a high you never really get high, but you keep chasing it, keep smoking more, bu tyou never really get that high feeling, you just keep chasing it |
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| 06:31.15 | ajavid | thats why crack is so horrible |
| 06:31.17 | nirupama | I have getting error while building package for apache2 source |
| 06:31.29 | ajavid | nirupama, pastebin |
| 06:31.34 | simonrvn | why are you building that from source? |
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| 06:31.45 | nirupama | ajavid, ya |
| 06:31.59 | nirupama | please check http://pastebin.com/m33d5cb0c for my apcahe building error |
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| 06:32.37 | nirupama | simonrvn, I added one parameter while configuring apache2 so i have to build it from source |
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| 06:32.44 | nirupama | simonrvn, ajavid please see the link |
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| 06:33.14 | nirupama | tried a lot googling around but did not get any solution |
| 06:33.26 | nirupama | tried using libtool --tag CC option but invain |
| 06:33.43 | nirupama | what is the actual problem with my deb package building |
| 06:34.22 | anddam | I switched from "nv" to "nvidia" driver and I'm not able to tweak anymore the mode with xvidtune, is this normal? |
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| 06:35.01 | gasull | Hi. I have a laptop with Ubuntu 9.04 for i386. I recently installed a new amd64 processor and I'm about to change the hard drive. On top of that I want to switch to Debian (amd64 b/c of new processor). What is the smoothest way to switch to Debian so I have all my current installed programs and my data? Thanks. |
| 06:37.12 | nirupama | ajavid, any idea |
| 06:37.13 | dub | so, so funny |
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| 06:37.59 | ajavid | nirupama, nope |
| 06:38.01 | gasull | I mean, can I do a dist-upgrade, b/c Debian sid has newere packages? Or can I save a config file from apt with my currently installed programs? Thanks. |
| 06:38.09 | ajavid | nirupama, check debian bts for libtool bugs? |
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| 06:38.37 | ajavid | nirupama, you are doing this for which specific build option? |
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| 06:38.49 | ajavid | nirupama, also, you are building from debian source pcakage or from upstream soruce? |
| 06:39.05 | nirupama | ajavid, while ./configure I added ./configure --enable-so and then make make install |
| 06:39.19 | nirupama | ajavid, from debian source package |
| 06:39.25 | ajavid | you don't do that |
| 06:39.35 | ajavid | you don't run ./configure or anything else manually you don't make |
| 06:39.37 | ajavid | oof |
| 06:39.41 | ajavid | !tell nirupama -about nmg |
| 06:39.51 | ajavid | !tell nirupama -about package basics |
| 06:39.57 | rameshwo | hello people . do any of you know where i can download tutorial video on linux ??? |
| 06:40.18 | gasull | rameshwo: I'm sure there are a few on YouTube |
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| 06:40.32 | ajavid | nirupama, get the deb-src pacakge, change what you need to in the rules and wherever else you need to, and simply dpkg-buildpackage on it |
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| 06:40.39 | ajavid | nirupama, read the link I gave you |
| 06:40.57 | LawlZ | alguém poderia me ajudar? |
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| 06:41.07 | nirupama | ajavid, where I am doing wrong |
| 06:41.09 | ajavid | nirupama, as for this specific option, no idea what it does, apparantly `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
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| 06:41.26 | nirupama | ajavid, there is no mistake in creating a deb package out of debian source |
| 06:41.35 | ajavid | yes much mistake |
| 06:41.37 | gasull | LawlZ: Pregunta, pero aquí la gente habla inglés |
| 06:41.39 | LawlZ | eu tenho windows xp instalado no HD principal, eu fiz uma partição nele e instalei o debian, porém na hora do boot o debian não aparece o que devo fazer? |
| 06:41.43 | ajavid | read the link. |
| 06:42.29 | gasull | LawlZ: Mi portugués es muy limitado. |
| 06:42.34 | anddam | LawlZ: speak english or go to a portuguese channel, in both case install/configure adequately the bootloader |
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| 06:43.02 | gasull | LawlZ: Necesitas arreglar Grub. |
| 06:43.18 | anddam | gasull: I think it's unlikely that you can keep the actual system |
| 06:43.22 | LawlZ | Â I have windows xp installed on the main HD, I made a partition on it and install Debian, but at the time of boot debian does not appear what should I do? |
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| 06:43.43 | LawlZ | But I also have ubuntu installed on another hd here, which I edit grub? |
| 06:43.54 | gasull | anddam: Can I save the list of programs installed and reinstall later? |
| 06:44.02 | ajavid | nirupama, i'd ask #apache why bilding with --enable-so == fail |
| 06:44.31 | ajavid | gasull, /msg dpkg debian clone or /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 06:44.36 | tenzind | gasull: dpkg -l ?? |
| 06:44.43 | ajavid | gasull, you can save a list of packages installed on machine |
| 06:45.19 | ajavid | !fixmbr |
| 06:45.19 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
| 06:45.54 | ajavid | update-grub and grub-install will make a boot entry in menu.lst to chainload windows xp paritition |
| 06:46.05 | anddam | gasull: I think so, dump a dpkg or aptitude search output |
| 06:47.02 | gasull | ajavid: I see. Thank you so much. |
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| 06:47.02 | anddam | gasull: but I discourage system-hopping just because "they have more updated packages" |
| 06:47.02 | LawlZ | I dont' have livecd, did the installation through the goodbye-microsoft.com, with access only windows xp and ubuntu. |
| 06:47.02 | gasull | anddam: Would you mind to elaborate? |
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| 06:47.13 | ajavid | if you can boot ubuntu |
| 06:47.15 | ajavid | you're set |
| 06:47.25 | ajavid | boot into ubuntu and update-grub |
| 06:47.58 | anddam | gasull: sure, I thought you were replacing ubuntu with debian but now I read you're changing HDD too, so save a list of the packages on ubuntu and install those back in debian |
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| 06:48.11 | anddam | quick, smooth, safe |
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| 06:49.10 | gasull | anddam: Yeah. I just changed processor (from i386 to amd64) and I'm changing HD too. And I've had problems in the past upgrading Ubuntu so I hope Debian will be better. |
| 06:49.30 | kornholi | never had an upgrade problem |
| 06:49.31 | kornholi | o.O |
| 06:49.36 | LawlZ | could someone explain me how to do this, I do not know how. managers do not understand much about the boot |
| 06:49.37 | gasull | anddam: So I thought it might be the right time to switch to Debian. |
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| 06:50.10 | kornholi | LawlZ: you get a grub menu? |
| 06:50.20 | gasull | kornholi: In Debian, you mean. Right? |
| 06:50.31 | kornholi | gasull: ya |
| 06:50.41 | kornholi | gasull: upgraded 5 machines no probs |
| 06:50.46 | kornholi | etch-lenny |
| 06:50.46 | kornholi | lol |
| 06:50.47 | LawlZ | kornholi now I'm in ubuntu what should I do? |
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| 06:51.04 | kornholi | whats wrong? |
| 06:51.42 | gasull | kornholi: Wow. Do you use many external repos? For Ubuntu right now I use several: for Tor, for Wine, for Swiftfox, for Medibuntu... |
| 06:51.58 | kornholi | gasull: swiftfox and wine |
| 06:52.11 | kornholi | LawlZ: update-grub should fix your problem |
| 06:52.32 | LawlZ | but how do it? |
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| 06:53.08 | kornholi | sudo update-grub, ? |
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| 06:54.34 | gasull | kornholi, anddam: I am sold, thanks. I'll install Debian in my new HD. |
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| 06:55.37 | kornholi | gasull: ;) |
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| 06:56.26 | bookmark | what up yalls |
| 06:56.36 | bookmark | hey, can i unload debian files into a non debian system? |
| 06:56.40 | bookmark | maybe bring dpkg? |
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| 06:57.13 | gasull | bookmark: You install Debian packages with the alien tool |
| 06:57.41 | gasull | bookmark: But try to find a package for your system first |
| 06:58.04 | bookmark | um.. i'm in debian and i want to take some debs elsewhere |
| 06:58.12 | bookmark | into tinycore |
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| 06:58.31 | simonrvn | you'll likely have to rebuild them... |
| 06:58.55 | bookmark | why zat? |
| 06:59.09 | bookmark | same kernel |
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| 07:00.29 | bookmark | oh yeah i'm still having trouble with suid |
| 07:00.59 | gasull | As you may know, the new BackTrack 4 beta distro is Debian-based. Can I add its repos to apt sources in a Debian machine or will it mess up the system? |
| 07:01.31 | kornholi | probably wont if the same kernel etc |
| 07:01.56 | kornholi | goes to read on bt4 |
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| 07:03.23 | buu | Anyone recall the name of that utility that installs a Perl module from CPAN using apt? |
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| 07:03.32 | buu | Or at least, dpkg |
| 07:03.40 | buu | However that works. |
| 07:03.49 | streuner_ | dh_make_perl? |
| 07:04.04 | buu | Yes! |
| 07:04.08 | streuner_ | or just search for the module, it might be in Debian |
| 07:04.17 | omid8bimo | hey guys, i have a problem, i've updated my X/GNOME/.. to the latest version and now when i start compiz, everything comes up but the windows manager/border are gone! |
| 07:04.30 | streuner_ | !listvals dh_make_perl |
| 07:04.30 | omid8bimo | what's wrong or what should update beside them? |
| 07:04.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dh_make_perl' by value returned no results. |
| 07:05.09 | streuner_ | !listvals dh-make-perl |
| 07:05.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dh-make-perl' by value (3): cpan ;; cpan->deb ;; dh_make_perl. |
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| 07:05.24 | streuner_ | buu: ^^^^ |
| 07:05.39 | streuner_ | !cpan->deb |
| 07:05.40 | buu | Whatever punctuation you use =] |
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| 07:06.56 | streuner_ | buu: /msg dpkg cpan->deb |
| 07:07.31 | streuner_ | buu: or, as we said already, just search for the module, there are many modules already available in Debian |
| 07:07.37 | buu | ... |
| 07:07.46 | buu | I just wanted to know the name of the tool =] |
| 07:08.34 | simonrvn | buu know what he's doing :) |
| 07:09.15 | streuner_ | !blairsmite buu |
| 07:09.15 | dpkg | spins buu at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 07:09.20 | buu | simonrvn: If I can't install a package with tar -xzvf; I'm just totally not interested |
| 07:09.26 | buu | wait |
| 07:09.30 | buu | WE'RE IN DANGER FROM WALES? |
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| 07:10.11 | streuner_ | nah, Wales was never in danger ;-) |
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| 07:10.51 | streuner_ | buu: i mentioned that twice, because you talked about apt ... |
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| 07:11.41 | MC_Kejml | Hello |
| 07:11.41 | MC_Kejml | <MC_Kejml> Can someone please help me with Z8 Encore! assembler ? |
| 07:11.43 | streuner_ | but its good to hear, that apt/dpkg should solve EVERY problem and some people trust Debian much |
| 07:11.47 | buu | streuner_: Are we supposed to be using aptitude now |
| 07:12.22 | buu | streuner_: I once performed a heart bypass surgery with apt-get |
| 07:12.25 | buu | DEBIAN SAVES LIVES. |
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| 07:12.37 | streuner_ | buu: if someone talking about CPAN, i would say, he is able to use apt-get |
| 07:12.45 | kornholi | aptitude should die |
| 07:13.09 | streuner_ | buu: s/is/should be/ |
| 07:13.30 | buu | streuner_: Honestly, for doing perl development, I rather prefer using cpan |
| 07:13.37 | MC_Kejml | Anyone pls ? |
| 07:13.40 | buu | But that's a different case |
| 07:15.56 | bookmark | i get error, must be suid to work properly and the i try and suid command not found |
| 07:16.03 | MC_Kejml | How am I suppposed to set a 3 ms dealy for a 1 MHZ frequency in Zilog Z8 Ecnore! ? Pls |
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| 07:16.32 | simonrvn | wtf are you talking about? |
| 07:16.49 | bookmark | simonrvn? me? |
| 07:17.39 | simonrvn | bookmark: no. your thing is you mistaking a permissions issue for a command |
| 07:19.05 | bookmark | ok well what is suid what does it mean |
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| 07:20.21 | streuner_ | !suid |
| 07:20.21 | dpkg | it has been said that suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner |
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| 07:20.54 | bookmark | ah |
| 07:21.04 | bookmark | like the opposite of a jail |
| 07:21.08 | bookmark | or reverse i mean |
| 07:21.43 | simonrvn | no |
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| 07:24.51 | bookmark | this is junky |
| 07:24.57 | bookmark | i can't get root in tinycore linux |
| 07:25.19 | simonrvn | no, it means you need to chmod something with u+s. |
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| 07:27.49 | Zharf | wtf |
| 07:27.55 | Zharf | where is hcitool nowadays? :o |
| 07:27.55 | bookmark | hmmm |
| 07:28.19 | bookmark | simonrvn: are you saying there is a way to become root? |
| 07:28.23 | bookmark | for me |
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| 07:28.48 | liable | Zharf: bluez-utils has been updated recently. i think its still there though |
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| 07:29.03 | liable | i put it on hold, broke my bluetooth |
| 07:29.05 | Zharf | liable, apparently not, apparently it was moved to bluez |
| 07:29.05 | simonrvn | bookmark: yes. of course. you're at the keyboard. that's effectively root. |
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| 07:30.00 | simonrvn | bookmark: you'll need to ask the tinycore people why you su isn't suid or figure out why it isn't doing what it's supposed to (check mount options for one thing). |
| 07:30.06 | simonrvn | your* |
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| 07:30.45 | bookmark | i have mount working because this gui has a mount manager |
| 07:30.57 | bookmark | but the thing is that i can't execute some stuff |
| 07:31.03 | bookmark | that alters the dir structure |
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| 07:31.55 | bookmark | or anything that i know of (execute) |
| 07:32.38 | visof | hello |
| 07:32.51 | visof | when i tried to use "sudo" i get visof is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
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| 07:33.10 | visof | what should i do to make visof in sudoers file > |
| 07:33.11 | visof | ? |
| 07:33.45 | liable | visof: man sudoers |
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| 07:34.14 | simonrvn | bookmark: i didn't say if it was working or not. i said "check mount options". |
| 07:34.34 | simonrvn | afk. zzz time |
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| 07:34.41 | bookmark | gives you the strange look |
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| 07:36.40 | kornholi | KONVERSATION TERMINATED |
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| 07:37.09 | visof | i'm using gnome , is there something easier to do ? |
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| 07:38.06 | k1ckn1ck | i am trying to run aptitude dist-upgrade, it is failing at upgrading perl with error "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ptar', which is also in package libarchive-tar-perl |
| 07:38.18 | bookmark | good night yalls |
| 07:38.25 | bookmark | my eyelids are callin |
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| 07:39.21 | k1ckn1ck | current status is ii perl 5.8.8-7etch6 ii perl-base 5.10.0-19 iU perl-modules 5.10.0-19 |
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| 07:41.26 | luckylucy | how can i find the path to a usb device just inserted so i can tar to it? |
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| 07:41.55 | luckylucy | dmesg | tail shows info, but i don't know what i need? |
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| 07:42.11 | kingsley | luckylucy: lsusb? |
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| 07:42.26 | luckylucy | is that a command? |
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| 07:43.15 | luckylucy | i have no man left, fs crashed. |
| 07:43.43 | kingsley | Yes, lsusb is a command. |
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| 07:43.53 | skapning | hi guys |
| 07:44.03 | skapning | I want out of gnome, which WM should I try? |
| 07:44.13 | skapning | or should I just go back to OpenBox. |
| 07:44.27 | luckylucy | Isusb: command not found. and i have no apt, it is toast |
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| 07:45.44 | luckylucy | sudo Isusb <enter> sudo: uid 0 does not exist in passwd file! |
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| 07:47.00 | simonrvn | L not I |
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| 07:47.04 | simonrvn | ls |
| 07:47.40 | luckylucy | ah list usb.... |
| 07:48.21 | luckylucy | shows bus 002 device001: root hub and Bus001: device001: root hub |
| 07:48.26 | luckylucy | nothing else. |
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| 07:50.42 | kingsley | luckylucy: Try... lsusb -v |
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| 07:54.33 | luckylucy | lots of info about the hubs... i don't see anything about a storage device or hard drive, or anything that would lead me to believe it is recognized... |
| 07:57.47 | glicks | hey does anyone have the eee 1000he? |
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| 07:59.52 | karsten | !tell glicks about ask |
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| 08:00.17 | gentoo | Debian = dead. |
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| 08:01.01 | liable | glicks: there is #debian-eeepc on oftc (theres a wiki section for it too) |
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| 08:01.41 | JJOliver | Hi peeps, I've changed my IP via editing /etc/network/interface |
| 08:01.57 | JJOliver | How do I get it to reload that interface file so it becomes my active IP? |
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| 08:02.19 | amphi | ifdown <iface> && ifup <iface> |
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| 08:06.46 | JJOliver | thanks amphi, |
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| 08:23.07 | p2aa | hi, does any FS supports full data checksumming? |
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| 08:35.23 | ottoshmidt | "This system does not seem to have support for OpenGL direct rendering.VirtualBox requires Linux 2.6.27 or later for this. Please see the log file /var/log/vboxadd-install.log if your guest uses Linux 2.6.27 and you still see this message." |
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| 08:36.04 | ottoshmidt | strange but I solved it anyways, it was a headers issu |
| 08:36.05 | ottoshmidt | e |
| 08:36.23 | candell | sup everyone! |
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| 08:46.04 | tarik | hi all |
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| 08:57.14 | oz123 | hi, does anyone here has an experience with building tk from sources on debian ? |
| 08:57.34 | henry-nicolas | Hello, does anybody know how to connect a cisco terminal server to a Debian server via the server serial link ? |
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| 09:00.47 | simNIX | henry-nicolas, I use cu to connect to serial consoles ... |
| 09:01.18 | DirkNL | hi all, i was wondering if anybody could help me out getting rid of the 'Unsolicited bulk mail' messages which bounces back to me if a SPAM sender spoofs his sender mail address to mine. |
| 09:01.45 | DirkNL | i've looked on the web but couldn't quiet find the solution, only posts about adding your domain hash |
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| 09:02.25 | J-roen | Hi. Which package provides the "ar" program? |
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| 09:02.52 | henry-nicolas | simNIX: yes but you connect directly a laptop, then I also can use cu or minicom. What I want is to access a terminal server then connect via the serial link to the linux server |
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| 09:03.46 | nsadmin | : binutils |
| 09:03.47 | simNIX | then I would ssh in the box that you got serial cable connected to and use cu .. |
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| 09:04.42 | simNIX | and just for the record - no laptop here - ) |
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| 09:05.14 | henry-nicolas | simNIX: yes but the problem is that the box is a Cisco terminal server so I don't have cu installed and I don't know if I can connect the cisco serial console to the db9 server port |
| 09:05.45 | petemc | DirkNL: you cant get rid of that entirely, not until everyone who uses email uses things like spf / dkim |
| 09:05.52 | J-roen | nsadmin: Thanks. |
| 09:06.59 | simNIX | if you want tot connect from a cisco terminal server to a cisco device then I wonder why you ask in Debian ... how can you onnect tto that cisco serial console server ? |
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| 09:07.25 | DirkNL | petemc: that's a pitty |
| 09:07.25 | henry-nicolas | simNIX: I don't want to connect to a cisco device |
| 09:07.37 | petemc | such is life |
| 09:07.41 | DirkNL | petemc: is that the reason for including the treshold? |
| 09:07.41 | henry-nicolas | simNIX: I want to connect to a Debian server FROM a Cisco terminal server |
| 09:07.42 | nsadmin | so are cherries |
| 09:07.49 | petemc | DirkNL: the what? |
| 09:08.07 | simNIX | you wonder it the cisco serial consoel server 'port' can be linked to a Linux serial console ? |
| 09:08.10 | DirkNL | well, you can set up some sort of domain treshold in the 20-debian-defaults file from amavis |
| 09:08.18 | vchrizz | does anybody happen to know how to boot from a pcmcia drive? when im googling the web i just find rather old stuff years ago.. 2.6. kernel uses pcmciautils pkg but there is no pcinitrd cmd anymore to create a specific pcmcia boot- initrd |
| 09:08.34 | nsadmin | in fact if you don't count the red part, cherries are totally pitty... |
| 09:08.49 | petemc | DirkNL: i dont use amavis, if you're having a problem with a specific app thats not clear, from your question it sounded like you were having issues with backscatter |
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| 09:10.28 | DirkNL | petemc: ok well thanks for the help, much apreciated. i'll have to do some more research |
| 09:10.31 | dhblewis1 | hi. i am setting up ssh keys but not sure where to put the key on the other server. it says ~.ssh/identity.pub but where is that |
| 09:10.32 | henry-nicolas | simNIX: yes, exactly |
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| 09:10.56 | vchrizz | dhblewis1, ~/known_hosts afaik |
| 09:11.11 | vchrizz | or was it ~/trusted_hosts ? |
| 09:11.16 | dhblewis1 | what is ~ though? home/user/?? |
| 09:11.17 | nsadmin | no, authorized_keys |
| 09:11.22 | vchrizz | ah right lol |
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| 09:11.37 | OpenTokix | no |
| 09:11.41 | OpenTokix | authorized_keys |
| 09:11.51 | OpenTokix | and it has to have correct owner, both folder and file |
| 09:12.07 | nsadmin | well if you are "user" then ~ is home dir for user, but if you're not then ~user is |
| 09:12.18 | OpenTokix | its ~/.ssh |
| 09:12.47 | vchrizz | its ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for me as user |
| 09:12.51 | vchrizz | just had a look |
| 09:12.56 | dhblewis1 | there is no .ssh folder under my user |
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| 09:13.04 | vchrizz | then create it |
| 09:13.04 | nsadmin | make one |
| 09:13.20 | simNIX | henry-nicolas, if that can that cisco terminal console can connect to a regular pc's serial port then yes - else best ask cisco support ... |
| 09:13.57 | dhblewis1 | ok then do I copy over id_rsa.pub and rename authorized_keys? |
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| 09:16.08 | PointMan | whats the name of that utility to watch network usage etc? mumin? |
| 09:16.28 | PointMan | overall health of a server |
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| 09:16.48 | dfighter | munin |
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| 09:17.26 | vchrizz | i dont get it why my pcmcia drive is beeing recognized just after i boot my usual rootfs on fixed disk (after the msg 'waiting /dev/ fully populated) but its not getting recognized before mounting rootfs so i can use the pcmcia drive as rootfs |
| 09:18.01 | vchrizz | standard lenny install half an hour ago, nothing special |
| 09:19.23 | DavidFreeman2 | Hey channel. I've never disabled a kernel module before. I have a kernel running that has 'kvblade' loaded, and I want to disable it. How is this done? |
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| 09:19.50 | DavidFreeman2 | 'rmmod' does not work to remove "kvblade". |
| 09:19.53 | vchrizz | DavidFreeman2, check /etc/modules for a line containing your module |
| 09:20.02 | adb | !blacklist |
| 09:20.02 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 09:21.03 | vchrizz | !tell me about blacklist |
| 09:21.16 | vchrizz | !tell me about pcmcia |
| 09:21.33 | tarik | my linux debian lenny is too slow ( i don't understand why ) ( hardware : core2due 2.8Ghz, 360G DD, 2G M ) |
| 09:21.46 | OpenTokix | tarik: slow how? |
| 09:21.54 | OpenTokix | tarik: mine is really fast |
| 09:21.58 | DavidFreeman2 | Cool. I didn't know whether or not blacklist would work with something that says "ERROR: Module kvblade does not exist in /proc/modules" |
| 09:22.10 | c0m1 | tarik: what desktop environment? |
| 09:22.22 | tarik | web page too slow application etc... |
| 09:22.32 | c0m1 | tarik: what desktop environment? |
| 09:22.34 | henry-nicolas | simNIX: ok, thank you for the advice |
| 09:22.37 | tarik | kde |
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| 09:22.50 | OpenTokix | tarik: I am assuming you have forgotten to install some nice drivers for your videocard. |
| 09:22.57 | DavidFreeman2 | Thanks --I'll try blacklist. |
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| 09:24.11 | c0m1 | tarik: yes, did you install drivers for the 3D acceleration? |
| 09:24.30 | tarik | non, i don't know |
| 09:24.54 | tarik | i have just install the distribution with some server like ( NX apache ssh etc... ) |
| 09:25.04 | c0m1 | tarik: they are not installed by default, so that is something you need to do. What kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 09:25.13 | tarik | and it' was works fine one year ago |
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| 09:26.42 | c0m1 | tarik: I'm sorry, did you mean u just reinstalled the OS? |
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| 09:26.52 | tarik | no |
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| 09:27.16 | tarik | the system is installed one year ago |
| 09:27.29 | tarik | and this week i see that is too slow |
| 09:27.29 | DavidFreeman2 | For disabling the built-in 'kvblade', using "blacklist kvblade" in /etc/modprobe.d did not work for me as I did it. |
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| 09:28.01 | c0m1 | tarik: so, the system is functioning as a server, u say? |
| 09:28.19 | tarik | yes |
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| 09:28.24 | adb | DavidFreeman2: uname -r , does what ? |
| 09:28.50 | DavidFreeman2 | It's Lenny on Sparc..... |
| 09:29.05 | DavidFreeman2 | From ReadyNas: 2.6.17.8ReadyNAS |
| 09:29.10 | c0m1 | tarik: what kinds of server is it (web server, file server, etc...) and how much use does it see (how many people use it?) |
| 09:29.37 | adb | DavidFreeman2: what ? |
| 09:29.41 | tarik | at the moment 6 users |
| 09:30.01 | DavidFreeman2 | adb: The answer to your question is: 2.6.17.8ReadyNAS |
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| 09:30.30 | adb | this is not even Debian kernel .. |
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| 09:30.57 | adb | not lenny also |
| 09:31.05 | DavidFreeman2 | It is a spin of the Debian kernel, if such a thing can exist without coming from a proper Debian organization. |
| 09:31.16 | DavidFreeman2 | I was wrong about it being Lenny; sorry. |
| 09:31.50 | adb | so is what ? |
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| 09:32.09 | DavidFreeman2 | adb: I don't understand your last query. |
| 09:32.32 | adb | which distrib you run ? |
| 09:32.33 | dhblewis1 | hi. i was wondering if someone could walk me through step by step shh keys as I cannot get mine to work and its doing my head in |
| 09:33.43 | DavidFreeman2 | adb: This is a device that has a Sparc processor and has a version of Debian Sparc running on it. The manufacturer has released it with an /etc/debian_version file that is *empty*. |
| 09:34.31 | adb | so ask manufacturer |
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| 09:35.05 | DavidFreeman2 | adb: Thanks. |
| 09:35.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.14 | DavidFreeman2 | Brilliant. |
| 09:35.21 | DavidFreeman2 | I'm asking a pretty generic question here. |
| 09:36.08 | adb | well you want to backlist a module that not exist ... |
| 09:36.29 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:36.35 | enouf | vchrizz: have you tried adding the needed pcmcia modules to your initrd? |
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| 09:37.59 | liable | you cant blacklist built-in modules |
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| 09:38.22 | enouf | DavidFreeman2: and don't use rmmod/insmod, use modprobe |
| 09:38.23 | DavidFreeman2 | liable: Thank you. I think I phrased that question pretty well initially. |
| 09:38.35 | liable | np |
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| 09:38.49 | DavidFreeman2 | For everyone's review: "Hey channel. I've never disabled a kernel module before. I have a kernel running that has 'kvblade' loaded, and I want to disable it. How is this done?" |
| 09:38.57 | DavidFreeman2 | You know what I mean? |
| 09:38.58 | jelly | !blacklist |
| 09:38.59 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 09:39.19 | enouf | builtin modules just mean the .config has a =y for it - you can still blacklist all those |
| 09:39.25 | jelly | DavidFreeman2: that's for you |
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| 09:39.51 | DavidFreeman2 | I've tried: I said a moment ago: "For disabling the built-in 'kvblade', using "blacklist kvblade" in /etc/modprobe.d did not work for me as I did it." |
| 09:39.52 | vchrizz | enouf, i did (yenta_socket) and i see the socket starting up at boot but the cf-card in the pcmcia adapter isnt beeing recognized.. when using rootfs from local fixed disk the cfcard is beeing recognized just after /dev is fully populated |
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| 09:39.58 | adb | jelly: we told him this |
| 09:40.01 | enouf | ..or enable/disable, pass parameters, etc |
| 09:40.12 | DavidFreeman2 | that |
| 09:40.13 | DavidFreeman2 | did |
| 09:40.14 | DavidFreeman2 | not |
| 09:40.16 | DavidFreeman2 | work |
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| 09:40.21 | jelly | !tell DavidFreeman2 -about enter |
| 09:40.28 | liable | enouf: well, unless my memory is failing me, and i havent built a kernel for a while, with a kernel (particularly with no initrd) you cant |
| 09:40.54 | DavidFreeman2 | I'm with liable on this, although I had to ask. |
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| 09:41.26 | enouf | liable: liable kernel-paramters.txt? |
| 09:41.28 | jelly | DavidFreeman2: did you also follow /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs? |
| 09:41.42 | DavidFreeman2 | liable: Would you happen to know the Debian equivalent of "/boot/config" in the RHEL kernel configuration? |
| 09:41.59 | DavidFreeman2 | jelly: No! I don't think that I've looked at that. |
| 09:42.01 | jelly | DavidFreeman2: since this is not a debian installation, your vendor might have done any number of changes, including loading that module explicitely somewheree |
| 09:42.13 | enouf | liable: er kernel-parameters.txt? (sorry about the earlier stuttering :-P) |
| 09:42.16 | jelly | in short, ask the vendor |
| 09:42.24 | liable | enouf: i dont feel like going and reading kernel docs, im just working off memory in that i couldnt even unload built in modules when i was having wireless issues some time back |
| 09:42.46 | liable | DavidFreeman2: its in boot still, <whatever-kernel-ver>.conf |
| 09:42.48 | enouf | liable: it's right at the top of the doc! :-) |
| 09:42.59 | enouf | or is it in /devices.txt |
| 09:43.16 | jelly | liable: depends on each module and the way its users are registered; some modules explicitely make themselves unable to unload |
| 09:43.30 | DavidFreeman2 | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 09:43.30 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 09:43.56 | DavidFreeman2 | jelly: Thanks for that. |
| 09:43.59 | liable | jelly: could explain it i suppose |
| 09:44.18 | liable | enouf: when you work out which file its in, paste the relevant line :P |
| 09:44.32 | jelly | now if I was a vendor, I wouldn't bother with loadable modules but build everything in. ;-) |
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| 09:44.49 | enouf | liable: if you're talking about specifics that pertain to firmware and such ... no idea .. but the info i mentioned is there, go look O_o |
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| 09:46.25 | jelly | DavidFreeman2: since it's not a debian kernel, that way of updating the initrd image might or might not apply |
| 09:46.44 | liable | i'm still not convinced how you can blacklist a module in a kernel without an initrd |
| 09:46.50 | DavidFreeman2 | jelly: Gotcha. |
| 09:46.55 | enouf | especially trying to use dpkg on a rhel installation? :-p |
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| 09:47.03 | jelly | enouf: huh? |
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| 09:47.28 | enouf | jelly: DavidFreeman2> liable: Would you happen to know the Debian equivalent of "/boot/config" in the RHEL kernel configuration? |
| 09:47.44 | mrtnt | I have alwayse used "veryfy writing" option when writing CD/DVD's under Debian, but is it at all necessery when the Cycling Redundancy Check is used? |
| 09:47.52 | PointMan | can you run a vnc server without X? |
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| 09:48.00 | mrtnt | *verify |
| 09:48.04 | DavidFreeman2 | I am not using a RHEL installation in this connection. |
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| 09:48.07 | DavidFreeman2 | PointMan: Yes. |
| 09:48.19 | jelly | enouf: "Debian equivalent of" doesn't sound like asking about a "rhel installation" |
| 09:49.16 | enouf | mrtnt: there are other types of errors other than CRC ones, but i'm not sure what -use-the-force-luke=wrvfy option actually is doing/does |
| 09:49.48 | enouf | mrtnt: also, it might be different when burning say an AudioCD vs a data CD |
| 09:50.18 | enouf | jelly: i misunderstood then .. twas making light of it anyway |
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| 09:52.39 | mrtnt | enouf: when writing a digital data disk, is CRC done by CD/DVD recordesr firmware after receiving the data and before writing it to the disk? |
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| 09:55.40 | enouf | mrtnt: i don't know offhand ... |
| 09:56.19 | enouf | mrtnt: a decent place to look for info related, other than the usual en.wikipedia.org and google would be club.cdfreaks.com |
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| 09:57.17 | enouf | mrtnt: i know when i use wrvfy option, it appears the data is written, then the files compared to original |
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| 09:58.28 | mrtnt | enouf: ok, thanks! |
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| 10:00.03 | daft__ | i installed a new lenny system. and it seems that stuff in the X configuration has changed. |
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| 10:00.33 | daft__ | whats the new way to configure the X settings. i have 2 screens and i want one desktop for kde, |
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| 10:00.54 | petemc | daft__: edit xorf.conf |
| 10:00.58 | petemc | xorg.conf |
| 10:01.02 | Arafangion | Hey, how can I tell tar to unpack a .tar.bz2 into a specific directory? |
| 10:01.09 | enouf | !dual monitors |
| 10:01.09 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr> |
| 10:01.23 | Arafangion | eg, tar -xf foo.tar.bz2 -C foo/ |
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| 10:01.25 | jelly | Arafangion: (cd somewhere; tar xfv foo.tar.bz2) ;-) |
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| 10:02.10 | Arafangion | jelly: You mean: mkdir -p foo && tar -xf foo-1.2.3.tar.bz2 && mv foo-1.2.3 foo |
| 10:02.11 | enouf | likes the simplicity in that |
| 10:02.20 | Arafangion | jelly: That's not terribly elegant, particularly in a make file. |
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| 10:03.11 | enouf | in more recent GNU tar versions you can drop the leading '-' in the options, IINM |
| 10:04.00 | Arafangion | enouf: Wasn't it the opposite... In more aged tar versions, you couldn't have the '-'? |
| 10:04.19 | jelly | Arafangion: definitely not tar x && mv |
| 10:04.19 | enouf | Arafangion: i really doubt it |
| 10:04.48 | jelly | enouf: old and otherwhere tars do it without - |
| 10:04.53 | Arafangion | jelly: Hence the question. |
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| 10:05.27 | jelly | Arafangion: mkdir -p foo && ( cd foo; tar xf /path/to/foo.tar.bz2 ) |
| 10:05.35 | jelly | there. |
| 10:06.12 | tuv | Arafangion: tar xf <filename.tar.bz2> -C <destination> |
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| 10:06.35 | jelly | "requires GNU tar" |
| 10:07.15 | jelly | huh, wouldn't you know it, tar from Solaris 10 also does -C |
| 10:07.18 | enouf | hrm tar [-] A --catenate --concatenate | c --create .... shows the - bracketed; i.e. not required .. but i could've tar would yell at me if i _did_use_ the leading - |
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| 10:07.37 | enouf | s/could've/could've swore/ |
| 10:07.57 | Arafangion | tuv: I suppose that's really the best I can do. :( It doesn't create the directory, but that's not so bad, I suppose... Just have to delete and make it manually. |
| 10:08.52 | vchrizz | what exactly is beeing run in initrd between the msg "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." and "done." ? |
| 10:08.58 | jelly | too bad xrandr doesn't have permanent settings |
| 10:09.08 | enouf | tar (GNU tar) 1.22 <-- is what i have here on Debian |
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| 10:09.34 | jelly | enouf: naturally, you're on a penguin system |
| 10:09.36 | enouf | vchrizz: udev |
| 10:10.16 | vchrizz | enouf, and what is beeing told to udev at this point? cause udev runs some steps before too? |
| 10:10.22 | enouf | heh .. and you are not jelly ? or just not mostly? |
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| 10:11.36 | jelly | I'm just saying there are other OSes where penguin ways of doing things don't work, but there are more portable ways to do the same thing that would work on most unixy systems |
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| 10:12.09 | jelly | has seen a newbie admin run killall on a sysv machine one too many times |
| 10:12.09 | oz123 | if I need to compile a software with tcl in debian what switch shall I use ? I tried --with-tcl=/usr/include/tcl8.4 but no success |
| 10:12.11 | vchrizz | enouf, something at that point is important to recognize my cfcard in pcmcia socket... and i have to move that point some steps before so i may use the cfcard as rootfs |
| 10:12.38 | jelly | oz123: was the appropriate tcl*-dev package installed at the time/ |
| 10:12.39 | jelly | ? |
| 10:12.51 | oz123 | jelly, yes |
| 10:13.24 | oz123 | jelly, the tcl headers are in this location, but the configure script says 'tcl not found' |
| 10:13.35 | forfolias | thalassa time ws tin kiriaki. bb |
| 10:13.43 | oz123 | jelly, configure: error: TCL not found in /usr/include/tcl8.4/ |
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| 10:14.38 | enouf | vchrizz: mkdir /tmp/foo ; cp -a /boot/initrd.img-VERSION /tmp/foo ; cd /tmp/foo ; zcat ./initrd.img-VERSION | cpio -i |
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| 10:15.23 | enouf | actually, drop the -a in the cp ... so it becomes owned via your username |
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| 10:16.48 | russo | hey guys mdadm set one of my disks too failed but i know its good |
| 10:16.49 | enouf | jelly: how about halt on a Solaris one :-p |
| 10:16.54 | russo | this is a line from mdstat |
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| 10:17.05 | russo | md1 : active raid5 sda3[0] sdc3[1] 1930048896 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_] |
| 10:17.16 | vchrizz | enouf, im doing that since some days already hour by hour, modifying the initrd till i get what i need but i dont know what the important part is |
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| 10:17.32 | russo | :o sdb isn't there |
| 10:18.23 | enouf | vchrizz: hrm .. is that an ibm thinkpad? |
| 10:18.31 | glicks | hey is anyone running linux on an eee pc 1000he? |
| 10:18.32 | vchrizz | im already more than aware of how to modify initrd ;) but i dont know _what_ to modify... playing with udev rules and settings but no result |
| 10:18.46 | vchrizz | enouf: compaq armada 1700 |
| 10:18.54 | enouf | vchrizz: see ##ibmthinkpad if so .. check the wiki.debian.org? oh |
| 10:19.15 | enouf | vchrizz: are you using Lenny? |
| 10:19.20 | vchrizz | yes |
| 10:19.34 | vchrizz | i tried etch also |
| 10:19.49 | vchrizz | should i try sid? |
| 10:20.01 | streuner_ | no |
| 10:20.04 | enouf | vchrizz: you shouldn't neeed to do more than list the modules you need in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (?) and run update-initramfs |
| 10:20.08 | streuner_ | (if you have to ask) |
| 10:20.10 | liable | glicks: i told you earlier, there is #debian-eeepc on oftc |
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| 10:20.29 | glicks | liable, whats oftc? |
| 10:20.31 | vchrizz | enouf even $(lsmod) >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules didnt help me :P |
| 10:20.39 | liable | glicks: irc.debian.org |
| 10:20.39 | streuner_ | !+tell vchrizz -about sid faq |
| 10:20.39 | dpkg | told vchrizz about sid faq. |
| 10:20.40 | vchrizz | (plus editing) |
| 10:20.49 | russo | this is what mdadm is giving me upon examination, i just added sdb3 (it was missing), before it excluded the spare line at the bottom |
| 10:20.59 | glicks | ah |
| 10:21.00 | enouf | bah .. vchrizz i mean /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 10:21.12 | vchrizz | i knew ;) |
| 10:21.16 | russo | after its done recovering will it no longer have that faulty removed? |
| 10:21.17 | enouf | vchrizz: that's not right ... |
| 10:21.20 | liable | glicks: not the wiki page in the /topic of that channel |
| 10:21.22 | russo | or how can i get rid of that |
| 10:21.27 | liable | s/not/note/ |
| 10:21.45 | enouf | vchrizz: they'll get loaded in the order listed IIRC , so lsmod output would suck for that |
| 10:22.09 | vchrizz | well the order doesnt change things |
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| 10:22.27 | vchrizz | as far as i noticed |
| 10:22.35 | crazyfrog | where can i get w32codecs? |
| 10:22.37 | enouf | vchrizz: man update-initramfs .,,, in worst case scenarios you'd need some stuff in /hooks and such |
| 10:22.51 | vchrizz | crazyfrogs: afair debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:23.37 | vchrizz | enouf, somebody told me pcmcia need some "helpers" .. are these "hooks" you mean that helpers? |
| 10:23.48 | enouf | vchrizz: when you installed Lenny, did you come upon the PCMCIA load modules question? |
| 10:23.54 | vchrizz | sure |
| 10:23.57 | crazyfrog | vchrizz:in which directory,main or nonfree? |
| 10:24.10 | enouf | !dmm |
| 10:24.10 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 10:24.48 | vchrizz | .oO(if i would remember that aliases...) |
| 10:26.31 | vchrizz | enouf, what i think is interesting, that i may boot from cd as usual and install debian on the cfcard like on hdd as usual, everything is cool as usual but on boot it doesnt detect the pcmcia-adapter /cf-card early enough to use it as rootfs |
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| 10:26.43 | enouf | vchrizz: i was talking about file:///etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/ and /scripts |
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| 10:28.58 | vchrizz | shouldnt that be filed as bug for debian-installer? or where should i file this bug ? |
| 10:29.07 | _Brandon_ | is it possible to install debian with netinst and wifi? |
| 10:29.13 | crazyfrog | my box is amd-64,which package should i install ,w32codecs or w64codecs? |
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| 10:30.06 | vchrizz | crazyfrog, on _-amd64_ you should have _only_ w64codecs (at least its for me) |
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| 10:31.10 | vchrizz | _Brandon_, i usualy install debian always via nedinst and got on my notebook wifi running... :) |
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| 10:32.01 | voicu | Hi, i have a question: if i can sudo with a normal account it's safe to disable the root password, right? |
| 10:32.16 | voicu | anyway, if i still lock myself out, what can i do? :P |
| 10:32.35 | vchrizz | boot with cd, set new rootpw, boot again |
| 10:32.39 | adb | reboot in live cd |
| 10:32.46 | voicu | aha |
| 10:32.55 | _Brandon_ | vchrizz: ok so it just ask what wireless connection to use if it detects a wireless card? |
| 10:33.02 | voicu | thanks, i'll disable it then |
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| 10:33.22 | adb | voicule salut |
| 10:33.31 | voicu | i just delete the password entry from /etc/shadow, right? |
| 10:33.35 | voicu | salut adb :P |
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| 10:34.02 | vchrizz | _Brandon_, oh, you want to netinst over wifi? well, didnt test that yet, but i prefer a cable for installation :) |
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| 10:35.01 | _Brandon_ | vchrizz: yeah, well I always use cable too, but a friend of mine wants to install debian on his netbook and his router is too far :p I'll force him to use a cable |
| 10:35.47 | vchrizz | _Brandon_, for netbooks i use usb devices to install debian ;) |
| 10:35.56 | themill | netbooks are, umm, portable |
| 10:36.11 | vchrizz | yes, portable, not more xD |
| 10:36.29 | adb | voicu: that's get root access w/o password ... |
| 10:36.42 | themill | _Brandon_: if the wifi needs non-free firmware (and it probably does) then you should /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 10:37.04 | voicu | adb: nah, it doesn't work |
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| 10:37.16 | adb | oh |
| 10:37.21 | petemc | voicu: passwd -l root will probably work - why is it you want to do this? |
| 10:37.24 | voicu | the hash for an empty password is not empty |
| 10:37.47 | voicu | petemc: I have ssh open for everyone on my router :P |
| 10:37.48 | _Brandon_ | themill: ok thanks |
| 10:38.10 | voicu | petemc: and i get a few dozen failed attempts per day so i wanna be sure |
| 10:38.32 | petemc | voicu: there are other ways of ensuring people dont login in as root via ssh |
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| 10:38.51 | voicu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.03 | petemc | permitrootlogin |
| 10:39.07 | petemc | and other things |
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| 10:39.31 | voicu | well ok but i don't need to login on the box anyway |
| 10:39.34 | voicu | it's better this way |
| 10:39.40 | petemc | if you say so |
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| 10:40.06 | voicu | i only ssh to it with my user sometimes to change port forwarding rules and stuff like that |
| 10:40.23 | eshat | Hi all, how to replace all Enters(New Lines) with Spaces in sed ? |
| 10:40.32 | aleks_ | hi! how can i hide the OpenSSH version in nmap scans? |
| 10:42.05 | themill | aleks_: no known way. And what's the point anyway? |
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| 10:42.13 | ssm | aleks_: not necessarily a good idea |
| 10:42.29 | nkuttler | aleks_: firewall it? |
| 10:42.56 | ssm | aleks_: it's needed by clients to work around known quirks, and the bots bruteforce anything anyway. Configure and firewall it for security instead. |
| 10:43.56 | ssm | aleks_: add something like fail2ban to temporarily firewall away brute forcers if you need to have ssh open from everywhere |
| 10:44.18 | eshat | Or is there another way, to convert a list of words to one line, sperated by spaces ? |
| 10:44.45 | nkuttler | only allowing KNOWN block 99% of the brute force attacks for me, see man hosts_access |
| 10:44.47 | ssm | eshat: xargs may work |
| 10:44.57 | themill | eshat: tr can do that or pipe to xargs echo |
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| 10:45.29 | nkuttler | eshat: if it's not too long, open in vim and hold J |
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| 10:47.45 | aleks_ | thanks, but i found this http://www.kramse.dk/files/patches/openssh/openssh-hideversion.patch |
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| 10:48.27 | ssm | aleks_: Go wild. :) Just remember: secure configuration is a "need-to-have", hiding the version-string is just a "nice-to-have" |
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| 10:49.42 | eshat | The command was: tr '\n' ' ' |
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| 10:51.20 | aleks_ | yes ssm, but i like to fell very secure ;) |
| 10:52.05 | caraconan | Hi. How can the sender receive a copy of the message posted to the list? My current settings: http://pastebin.com/m449179c5. Thanks |
| 10:52.08 | jelly | aleks_: change the port number. |
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| 10:52.14 | ssm | aleks_: "warm fuzzy feeling" :) |
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| 10:53.10 | aleks_ | jelly, the port number already changed but.... 9929/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 5.2 (protocol 2.0) |
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| 10:54.36 | jelly | aleks_: you can always rebuild it. |
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| 11:06.42 | imduffy15 | would it be safe to do chown root:adm -R /sbin and chmod 4750 -R /sbin ? |
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| 11:12.34 | jelly | imduffy15: probably not. |
| 11:12.44 | jelly | imduffy15: use sudo |
| 11:12.59 | imduffy15 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.45 | enouf | just add /sbin to your username's $PATH |
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| 11:14.22 | imduffy15 | I have done but i don't want other users to be able to lanuch things that are in /sbin |
| 11:14.40 | enouf | they're ro, AFAICT |
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| 11:15.04 | jelly | imduffy15: for one thing, it will break when a package is upgraded |
| 11:15.33 | enouf | launch? ... hrm .. maybe you want some sort of kiosk setup? or grsecurity patched kernel or something |
| 11:15.34 | jelly | imduffy15: it will also break preexisting setuids |
| 11:15.57 | jelly | "i don't want other users to be able to lanuch things that are in /sbin" why? |
| 11:16.17 | imduffy15 | cause they have no need to be running that stuff |
| 11:16.38 | imduffy15 | anything they have no need to see they shouldn't be able to see :) |
| 11:16.56 | ghoul2083 | hi; What do i have to keep in mind before distro-upgrade from debian 4 zu debian 5? Because i did a distro-upgrade from debian 3 to 4 and it didn't worked out right, so i had to do a fresh installation off debain 4. I don't want to have the same situation again. Thxs for any advices or links... |
| 11:17.00 | jelly | imduffy15: that's handled my it not being in users' path |
| 11:17.12 | jelly | by* it not being |
| 11:17.23 | enouf | ghoul2083: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:17.30 | imduffy15 | but if its not in there path they could still do /sbin/program right? |
| 11:17.39 | nsadmin | imduffy15 most of that stuff is only runnable by root anyway |
| 11:17.56 | jelly | imduffy15: yes. And they won't learn a lot by doing it |
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| 11:18.42 | jelly | imduffy15: if you want real access control for users, you can learn about selinux (and use that) |
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| 11:18.56 | imduffy15 | Ok will check it out thanks |
| 11:19.16 | enouf | completely forgot about selinux :o |
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| 11:34.43 | imduffy15 | Is it possible to have a folder chmod 755 but if user is in the group of webusers they are denied access to the folder? |
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| 11:35.17 | deed02392 | can someone suggest some things i can do to free up space on /? |
| 11:35.38 | deed02392 | as it stands it's full to 100% and all my user files are on a different partition sooo :/ |
| 11:35.56 | imduffy15 | roate your logs |
| 11:36.22 | imduffy15 | rotate* |
| 11:36.34 | deed02392 | how? delete old stuff |
| 11:37.31 | streuner_ | how about to remove old debs? |
| 11:37.48 | streuner_ | (apt-get (auto-)clean) |
| 11:37.52 | deed02392 | how streuner_? i did apt-cache clean, is that equiv? |
| 11:38.03 | deed02392 | apt-get clean* |
| 11:38.05 | streuner_ | nah, just run apt-get clean as root |
| 11:38.05 | deed02392 | yeah i did that |
| 11:38.13 | streuner_ | no effect? |
| 11:38.18 | deed02392 | it didn't even free 1 byte |
| 11:38.18 | deed02392 | :( |
| 11:38.46 | streuner_ | run du -h and look wha needs space |
| 11:38.50 | streuner_ | what* |
| 11:38.50 | nsadmin | deed02392: do you have /var as a separate partition? |
| 11:39.01 | deed02392 | nope nsadmin |
| 11:39.20 | nsadmin | you could consider doing so... also /tmp |
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| 11:39.45 | deed02392 | ~/tmp is on a sepearete partition |
| 11:39.45 | apt | ...but /tmp is already something else... |
| 11:40.01 | streuner_ | why is that? |
| 11:40.08 | streuner_ | sounds scary |
| 11:40.14 | deed02392 | oh hang on |
| 11:40.20 | deed02392 | some space has just myseteriously disappeared |
| 11:40.29 | deed02392 | i deleted some old logs in /var/log |
| 11:40.32 | deed02392 | and it went to 99% |
| 11:40.41 | deed02392 | now i just run df again and i've got 87% occupied |
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| 11:40.52 | nsadmin | I have /usr /tmp /var /home as well as /usr/local and /usr/src on all separate partitions |
| 11:41.27 | nsadmin | and my / never gets full |
| 11:41.31 | deed02392 | for me i have /, /lib/init/rw, /dev, /dev/shm and /home on sepearte partitons |
| 11:42.23 | voicu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.25 | deed02392 | i'm just hoping someone knows some typi8cal procedures that free's up space |
| 11:42.42 | deed02392 | not a seperate hard disk partition |
| 11:42.44 | nsadmin | back up and put on cd |
| 11:42.46 | deed02392 | i think i might have confused myself thoere |
| 11:42.56 | deed02392 | this is a dedi in another country nsadmin :p |
| 11:43.02 | abrotman | deed02392: you want space on / ? |
| 11:43.10 | deed02392 | yeah abrotman |
| 11:43.18 | abrotman | deed02392: did you look for unused packages? |
| 11:43.23 | enouf | localepurge? |
| 11:43.30 | abrotman | unused kernels? |
| 11:43.30 | deed02392 | no abrotman? |
| 11:43.34 | nsadmin | deed02392: it's a server?? then /var and /tmp are a -must- |
| 11:43.35 | deed02392 | i looked in aptitude for something similar |
| 11:43.35 | abrotman | yes, abrotman! |
| 11:43.41 | enouf | apt-get autoclean? |
| 11:43.51 | deed02392 | i ran that |
| 11:43.55 | abrotman | deed02392: if you look in /boot/ .. now many vmlinuz* files do you see? |
| 11:43.58 | mig5 | autoclean and localepurge are your friends |
| 11:44.09 | abrotman | he already cleaned |
| 11:44.41 | abrotman | erm .. how many |
| 11:44.51 | deed02392 | there's none by that name |
| 11:44.53 | enouf | start yanking your /doc/ stuff :-p |
| 11:45.02 | abrotman | deed02392: you don't have any /boot/vmlinuz* files ? |
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| 11:45.12 | mig5 | hmm |
| 11:45.12 | deed02392 | no abrotman |
| 11:45.16 | deed02392 | oh |
| 11:45.17 | deed02392 | in that folder |
| 11:45.22 | abrotman | directory |
| 11:45.23 | nsadmin | then how do you boot? |
| 11:45.24 | deed02392 | you were just saying /boot at first, hang on |
| 11:45.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: he could have it somewhere else .. not unpossible! |
| 11:45.50 | deed02392 | yeah, they're not in there |
| 11:45.52 | deed02392 | nothing |
| 11:45.54 | nsadmin | I suppose... |
| 11:45.58 | deed02392 | no folder by vmlinuz* |
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| 11:46.10 | abrotman | deed02392: in a pastebin, put `ls -l /boot/ |
| 11:46.11 | enouf | actually he said "/boot/" .. the trailing slash is indicative |
| 11:46.14 | abrotman | deed02392: in a pastebin, put `ls -l /boot/` |
| 11:46.27 | nsadmin | I still say the minimum for separate partitions are / /home /var /usr /tmp |
| 11:46.36 | nsadmin | on a server |
| 11:46.37 | themill | wonders how abrotman wants the backticks interpreted |
| 11:46.49 | abrotman | themill: with eggs please |
| 11:47.01 | enouf | looks for the karsten mafia article |
| 11:47.07 | abrotman | themill: hopefully he leaves them out |
| 11:47.23 | deed02392 | http://pastebin.com/mda06e3a abrotman |
| 11:47.46 | nsadmin | unless of course... you like this process you're doing right now :) |
| 11:47.58 | abrotman | deed02392: which distro is this? |
| 11:48.05 | deed02392 | debian 4.0 |
| 11:48.16 | abrotman | not with that kernel ? |
| 11:48.20 | enouf | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html ahh there we are |
| 11:48.37 | themill | deed02392: you might want to have a look at the remnants of kernel compiles wherever you do that |
| 11:48.37 | deed02392 | yeah abrotman |
| 11:48.39 | deed02392 | it's a custom kernel |
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| 11:49.08 | abrotman | deed02392: you can also use something like "ls / | xargs du -sh" to see where all the space has gone |
| 11:49.23 | deed02392 | there's a kernel gz in /usr/src |
| 11:49.23 | enouf | deed02392: ls -l /proc/config.gz |
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| 11:49.50 | learn | Please help me, How to install Xen live cd(livecd-xen-3.2-0.8.2-i386.iso) to HDD so no need run on CD again. |
| 11:50.04 | themill | or just "du -sh /*" |
| 11:50.21 | enouf | findlargetmp='sudo find /tmp -mtime -10 -size +10485760000c -type f -print' |
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| 11:50.50 | themill | enouf: how big is your /tmp?? |
| 11:50.56 | deed02392 | that's a good one themill |
| 11:50.56 | enouf | er .. nm - there's an mtime param i didn't mean to leave there |
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| 11:51.24 | jelly | ... only those 10gig files newer than 10 days... older 10gig files can stay |
| 11:51.38 | deed02392 | the /usr dir is the biggest |
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| 11:51.43 | enouf | themill: if you look closely, you can tell i added 3 zeros to a usual 1MiB option ;-) |
| 11:51.50 | themill | enouf: :) |
| 11:52.32 | nsadmin | deed02392: if it's a dedicated, you can download stuff off of it then remove it from the remote |
| 11:52.37 | jelly | GNU find has M and G ya know |
| 11:52.54 | nsadmin | and Booker T? |
| 11:52.59 | jelly | -size +10G is approximately equivalent |
| 11:53.11 | enouf | jelly: it's 100M, not 10G |
| 11:53.25 | jelly | enouf: oh, then say 100M |
| 11:53.32 | enouf | i did ;-) |
| 11:53.36 | jelly | nope. |
| 11:53.42 | deed02392 | yeah i could nsadmin but i don't know exactly what's important |
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| 11:54.06 | nsadmin | what's the machine used for |
| 11:54.12 | enouf | jelly: the c tells it bytes |
| 11:54.33 | abrotman | deed02392: what kind of machine is it? |
| 11:54.34 | enouf | wait .. i give up |
| 11:54.47 | abrotman | and just because /usr/ is the biggest doesn't mean that's the place to clean up |
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| 11:55.03 | deed02392 | it's a server abrotman |
| 11:55.13 | deed02392 | don't really know what else you could mean by what kind of machine is it |
| 11:55.16 | jelly | enouf: this is exactly why you should write 100M if you mean 100M |
| 11:55.26 | nsadmin | deed02392: what's it used for? |
| 11:55.35 | abrotman | deed02392: can you paste the output of themill's command ? |
| 11:55.46 | nsadmin | what is its application, specifically? |
| 11:55.53 | abrotman | eggs |
| 11:55.58 | jelly | benedict |
| 11:56.02 | abrotman | traitor! |
| 11:56.04 | nsadmin | then just fry it :) |
| 11:56.27 | jelly | out of pepper |
| 11:56.33 | deed02392 | it's used for running all sorts of daemons like an ircd, httpd, xbtt |
| 11:56.35 | deed02392 | the usual |
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| 11:56.50 | deed02392 | ./var is the largest |
| 11:56.55 | deed02392 | the rest are insignificantly small |
| 11:57.00 | nsadmin | thought so' |
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| 11:57.13 | nsadmin | probably you're full of logs |
| 11:57.27 | enouf | jelly: my bad .. my personal alias= is actually "+10485760c" so, that's 10MiB or thereabouts .. so, adding 3 zeros does indeed make it 10GiB .. you can now tell how often i have to run that, since i've moved / FS off to another much more spacious partition on another HDD :-p |
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| 11:59.53 | jelly | my /tmp is a tmpfs... because it's obvious |
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| 12:00.31 | nsadmin | when do you use the i? |
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| 12:00.47 | nsadmin | mb/mib |
| 12:00.53 | enouf | has been not as sharp and quick lately ... see what happens when you stay away too long? :-) and yes jelly, i certainly concur about using '100M' nomenclature, i guess i was toying about with find options when i created that to see if i could make it find exact sized files - just remember; "larger numbers need commas!" |
| 12:00.58 | enouf | hides |
| 12:01.07 | sllide | how do i remove this flashplayer and install the official one? |
| 12:01.11 | jelly | nsadmin: when it's important or useful to discern base-2 and base-10 based units |
| 12:01.38 | nsadmin | which is which? |
| 12:01.41 | jelly | or when one's annoyingly pedantic |
| 12:01.50 | jelly | !gibibyte |
| 12:01.57 | jelly | humm |
| 12:02.15 | jelly | !gib |
| 12:02.15 | dpkg | gib is, like, gibibytes, ask me about gibi |
| 12:02.19 | jelly | !gibi |
| 12:02.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, gibi is 2^30 or see http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 12:02.25 | jelly | fuck you, dpkg |
| 12:02.26 | enouf | nsadmin: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 12:02.47 | enouf | see? /me is slow .... *sighs* |
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| 12:03.26 | jelly | nsadmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| 12:03.32 | enouf | !factinfo gibi |
| 12:03.32 | dpkg | gibi -- last modified at Tue Nov 9 12:32:29 2004 by Guerin!~magpie@220.123.169.70; it has been requested 3 times, last by jelly, 1m 13s ago. |
| 12:04.26 | nsadmin | got it, so kilo is base 10 (10^3) while kibi is 2^10 |
| 12:04.47 | sllide | how do i get a different flash player? |
| 12:04.47 | jelly | aye |
| 12:04.55 | jelly | sllide: different from what? |
| 12:04.58 | enouf | jelly: i forget offhand, but does 'dd' use base2 or base10 as for bs= ?? |
| 12:05.19 | sllide | jelly: from the one thats preinstalled with debian |
| 12:05.23 | nsadmin | sllide: first get a list of all flash players, then compare each to what you have and eliminate that one |
| 12:05.32 | nsadmin | then pick from what remains in that list |
| 12:05.33 | sllide | the official one? |
| 12:05.45 | jelly | !adobe flash |
| 12:05.45 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 12:05.45 | sllide | thats the one i want |
| 12:05.57 | sllide | damn |
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| 12:06.33 | nsadmin | dat's complikated... |
| 12:06.50 | jelly | sllide: read the wiki link for starters; do "/msg dpkg dmm" and similar to ask the bot about other things it mentions |
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| 12:07.30 | jelly | didn't know that was any flash installed by default; probably gnash |
| 12:09.51 | enouf | haha @ acroread: /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libflashsupport.so |
| 12:10.23 | enouf | last thing one wants even less than flash in banners/ads, is flash in a PDF! |
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| 12:11.47 | AnswerGuy | Was bitchx (the IRC client) orphaned in Debian version 5? |
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| 12:11.58 | enouf | i think so |
| 12:12.05 | enouf | !bitchx |
| 12:12.05 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
| 12:12.37 | AnswerGuy | Thank you. |
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| 12:12.49 | Debian-Nick | Hello. I can't install .deb packages in Debian Lenny 5.0.1 , it doesn't show me the option to open it with Deb package manager! PLz help! |
| 12:13.05 | AnswerGuy | I guess I'll switch to irssi ... though I seem to remember there was something found annoying about it last time I tried it. |
| 12:13.11 | enouf | man dpkg Debian-Nick |
| 12:13.24 | nsadmin | Debian-Nick dpkg --help |
| 12:13.26 | enouf | AnswerGuy: there's a nice #irssi channel ;-) |
| 12:13.28 | AnswerGuy | Probably something stupid in BitchX that my fingers were, nonetheless, really used, to |
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| 12:15.11 | enouf | keybindings are all screwed up .. still! .. *double sigh* |
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| 12:25.21 | Debian-Nick | Hello. I can't install .deb packages in Debian Lenny 5.0.1 , it doesn't show me the option to open it with Deb package manager! PLz help (sorry if that was spam, i lost my connection and couldn't see the answer, can you repeat it or answer?) |
| 12:25.32 | nsadmin | Debian-Nick dpkg --help |
| 12:25.45 | nsadmin | (comon now, that's twice) |
| 12:25.59 | petemc | Debian-Nick: install gdebi if you want to be able to install via clicking |
| 12:26.07 | Debian-Nick | thanks pete |
| 12:26.48 | enouf | or use K Package Mangager |
| 12:26.51 | enouf | runs |
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| 12:28.35 | jelly | Debian-Nick: or just do dpkg -i foo.deb in a root shell |
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| 12:32.16 | VulpesFoxnik | Is anyone else having issues with nozap being ignored in 7.4+3? |
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| 12:32.52 | petemc | VulpesFoxnik: dontzap ? |
| 12:33.18 | VulpesFoxnik | erm yes don't zap |
| 12:33.27 | jelly | "please do zap"? |
| 12:33.35 | VulpesFoxnik | Option "DontZap" "false" |
| 12:33.42 | VulpesFoxnik | completely ignored |
| 12:33.51 | petemc | so ctl alt backspace works? |
| 12:33.57 | VulpesFoxnik | no, it doesn't work |
| 12:34.01 | VulpesFoxnik | and I want it to |
| 12:34.24 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: did you put it in Section "ServerFlags" or elsewhere? |
| 12:34.39 | VulpesFoxnik | jelly: Yes. It's in that section |
| 12:35.17 | jelly | tries to kill his x session in a bad way |
| 12:35.24 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm really quite peeved at Xorg for this change :| |
| 12:35.37 | jelly | 'swhy there's a tunable |
| 12:35.55 | jelly | ... that I apparently forgot to set |
| 12:36.10 | VulpesFoxnik | eh? |
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| 12:36.54 | nkuttler | hm, any clever suggestions how to find directories that contain exactly one regular file? |
| 12:37.17 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: nevermind... I'm trying to confirm, but a) didn't edit xorg.conf on this machine and b) xserver-xorg still at 7.4-1 |
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| 12:37.47 | VulpesFoxnik | Well jelly, take this as a warning that it isn't working in 7.4+3... this is a fresh install |
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| 12:38.10 | jelly | fresh installs of sid, how quaint :-D |
| 12:38.12 | VulpesFoxnik | weee unstable is unstable! |
| 12:38.37 | VulpesFoxnik | I need my 2.6.29 thankyou |
| 12:38.39 | jelly | points VulpesFoxnik in general direction of #debian-x on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:38.44 | VulpesFoxnik | my hardware requires it |
| 12:38.48 | jelly | 2.6.30-rc5-686-bigmem |
| 12:38.53 | jelly | ;-) |
| 12:39.07 | VulpesFoxnik | oh I am looking forward to the offical debian release of 2.6.30 |
| 12:39.56 | OpenTokix | VulpesFoxnik: DontZap false, its a double negation |
| 12:40.16 | VulpesFoxnik | OpenTokix: I realize that... I want it to Zap. |
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| 12:40.22 | OpenTokix | ok |
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| 12:41.59 | jelly | OpenTokix: yes, it's meant for advanced users capable of parsing those nasty double negations |
| 12:42.18 | OpenTokix | jelly: =) |
| 12:42.25 | jelly | (the default is, amusingly, DontZap = true) |
| 12:42.37 | OpenTokix | Is that new? |
| 12:42.42 | OpenTokix | That the default is nozap? |
| 12:42.43 | VulpesFoxnik | in the 7.4 it is |
| 12:42.47 | OpenTokix | oki |
| 12:42.54 | Debian-Nick | Thanks everyone, it works now :) |
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| 12:43.02 | jelly | OpenTokix: coming soon to squeeze near you |
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| 12:43.40 | OpenTokix | jelly: im running sid at home, havent tried to zap in a while =) |
| 12:44.08 | VulpesFoxnik | OpenTokix: It's very annoying to find out it doesn't work when you actually need it. |
| 12:44.16 | umarzuki | hi, how do i install ypop with icedove? |
| 12:44.23 | OpenTokix | VulpesFoxnik: I hear you I hear you |
| 12:44.26 | abrotman | umarzuki: what happens when you try? |
| 12:44.28 | jelly | I'm running mostly squeeze with shades of sid or experimental, depending on which one has newestest xorg and mesa bits |
| 12:44.37 | umarzuki | there no ypop in lenny |
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| 12:45.07 | OpenTokix | I am running etch and lenny mostly |
| 12:45.07 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 12:45.14 | henry-nicolas | Hi, I'v got some question about a new debian installation I'v done on a server. First, I wasn't able to select grub (only lilo) is that normal ? also, my system doesn't boot (failling to find /sbin/init) but the complete system is built on LVM, can I do that with lilo ? |
| 12:45.16 | OpenTokix | mostly lenny, 64bit |
| 12:45.28 | VulpesFoxnik | I love grabbing stuff from experimental ^^ |
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| 12:45.37 | VulpesFoxnik | and the SVN |
| 12:45.41 | jelly | those are on servers. And sarge too. And I think a woody machine. |
| 12:46.20 | purplepenguins | lol, woody...that's about five or six years ago isn't it |
| 12:46.27 | abrotman | henry-nicolas: normal when you use LVM i believe |
| 12:46.31 | OpenTokix | this is going quickly offtopic into socializing =) |
| 12:46.48 | VulpesFoxnik | I run a squeeze backend fileserver/webserver, and this frontend laptop, which mainly runs on sid. |
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| 12:47.35 | abrotman | so use #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:48.39 | Wooga | how can get metacity composition in debian? |
| 12:49.16 | henry-nicolas | abrotman : normal ? you mean beeing able to only install lilo |
| 12:49.25 | abrotman | i believe that's true when using lvm |
| 12:49.27 | Wooga | is there already debs with version of it, which supports compositing? |
| 12:49.30 | henry-nicolas | abrotman: and I can do full LVM installation ? |
| 12:49.53 | hark | Wooga: it should already support it iirc |
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| 12:50.28 | OpenTokix | henry-nicolas: I leave 100M for /boot then lvm for the rest |
| 12:50.39 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm fairly sure your boot needs to be outside of the lvm, yes |
| 12:50.47 | purplepenguins | yeah |
| 12:50.59 | jelly | except... if you install grub2! |
| 12:51.15 | OpenTokix | if you install grub2, you dont need nothing else ;) |
| 12:51.23 | jelly | and make it work |
| 12:51.23 | VulpesFoxnik | still waiting on grub2 to support ext4 better |
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| 12:51.51 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: the version from unstable works |
| 12:52.03 | jelly | s/unstable/squeeze/, probably by now |
| 12:52.10 | purplepenguins | is it worth upgrading to ext4 yet? |
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| 12:52.16 | hark | Wooga: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager |
| 12:52.22 | Wooga | oh, thanks |
| 12:52.25 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: weirdos from another dept wanted a server with ext4 |
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| 12:53.25 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: so they got it. It was interesting to make it boot back when leeny was just released |
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| 12:53.29 | VulpesFoxnik | The preformance gains of ext4 varry with the size of the files. |
| 12:53.54 | jelly | who cares about performance gains, I'm sold on the 1/7 time for fsck |
| 12:54.03 | purplepenguins | wow, 1/7 time for fsck? |
| 12:54.13 | VulpesFoxnik | jelly: Nothing wrong with ext4. reiser4 isn't going anywhere. |
| 12:54.19 | purplepenguins | that is a performance gain |
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| 12:54.30 | jelly | purplepenguins: hush. |
| 12:54.58 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm personally looking forward to the deframenting... assuming it isn't droped lol |
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| 12:55.16 | jelly | tytso promised it'll eventually be there afair |
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| 13:00.49 | mischief | unstable == sid right |
| 13:01.13 | DeSian | mischief, yes |
| 13:01.43 | mischief | thanks DeSian |
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| 13:02.11 | DeSian | !tell mischief about sid |
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| 13:08.13 | mischief | how does apt-get/aptitude pick which source to fetch files from? |
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| 13:08.45 | t0astbandit | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:08.57 | mischief | gee, thanks |
| 13:09.00 | t0astbandit | you can tell is which mirrors to use there |
| 13:09.08 | mischief | i was referring to which mirrors have priority if multiple are listed |
| 13:09.11 | VulpesFoxnik | I think mischief means for having multiple |
| 13:09.13 | VulpesFoxnik | yes. |
| 13:09.14 | mamalujo | theres also an /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:09.15 | t0astbandit | oooooh |
| 13:09.31 | mischief | i'll look into that, thanks mamalujo |
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| 13:09.39 | mamalujo | sources are given diferent priorities there |
| 13:09.52 | mischief | i've used apt-mirror to make a local mirror and i'd prefer to use that over fetching from a remote mirror :) |
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| 13:09.58 | hoo-hah | hi guuys. I use zsh as shell. anyone know why .zprofile is sourced by root during boot? ie, the stuff i have in zprofile is activated before I even login as the user, upon system boot |
| 13:10.01 | abrotman | mischief: why would you have more than one ? |
| 13:10.16 | mischief | um |
| 13:10.30 | mischief | because i've mirrored locally abrotman ? i dunno |
| 13:10.34 | VulpesFoxnik | mischief makes me feel guilt for having both my systems use the offical us mirrors for all my downloading. |
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| 13:10.42 | abrotman | mischief: so use that one? |
| 13:10.55 | abrotman | mischief: put it first in your sources.list? |
| 13:10.59 | mischief | it is first |
| 13:11.14 | hoo-hah | ideally I want to use keychain (gpg-agent and ssh-agent) to enter my passphrase via .zprofile, but as this is sourced at boot, I'm unable to enter in passphrase (no stdin) |
| 13:11.24 | abrotman | are the versions the same on both mirrors? |
| 13:11.50 | themill | mischief: are you using something like apt-proxy for the mirror? If you are, then you only need the mirror in the sources.list |
| 13:12.17 | mischief | themill, uh, no, i only used apt-mirror |
| 13:12.42 | abrotman | are you updating your local mirror daily? |
| 13:12.48 | mischief | it's in a cronjob yeah |
| 13:12.57 | mischief | i just created it so it should be fairly up to date :) |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | so that (and security) should be the only sources you have |
| 13:13.13 | mischief | oh |
| 13:13.23 | mischief | well i am missing deb-src for my local repo, and i don't know why |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | deb-src and deb aren't the same .. |
| 13:13.42 | mischief | i know that |
| 13:13.48 | abrotman | so why would you mention it? |
| 13:14.04 | mischief | um, can't i mirror debian sources as well? |
| 13:14.12 | abrotman | i thought the problem was that your packages were being pulled from an official mirror .. so remove the other http sources |
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| 13:14.21 | abrotman | sure, if you configure it to do that .. but it sounds like you haven't |
| 13:14.23 | mischief | abrotman, there are two problems. |
| 13:14.30 | abrotman | sees one |
| 13:14.49 | mischief | problem one is that aptitude is pulling from the local mirror. i suppose that is solved now. |
| 13:14.59 | mischief | the second problem is that my local mirror has no source repository. |
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| 13:18.34 | enthdegree | tezst? |
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| 13:18.51 | enthdegree | does 0irc work? |
| 13:18.57 | mischief | enthdegree, yes. :p |
| 13:19.10 | enthdegree | :D great! |
| 13:19.20 | mischief | so is there any explaination as to why i have no deb-src even though i have specified a deb-src line in my mirror.list? |
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| 13:26.47 | hoo-hah | the deb-src line is wrong? |
| 13:26.53 | hoo-hah | that particular repo doesn't offer deb-src? |
| 13:27.13 | hoo-hah | how about pasting your sources list some where for all to scrutinize |
| 13:27.15 | hoo-hah | ? |
| 13:28.32 | mischief | my mirror.list is like this http://paste.debian.net/38894/ |
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| 13:29.58 | mns | How does one convert an Ogg file to MP3 ? |
| 13:30.03 | hoo-hah | mischief: which release offers 'clean' option? |
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| 13:30.10 | hoo-hah | mischief: you don't want sources for main? |
| 13:30.56 | abrotman | hoo-hah: you do realize you're missing the 'main' for deb-src ? |
| 13:31.03 | abrotman | erm .. mischief |
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| 13:31.20 | abrotman | mns: you just re-encode it |
| 13:31.27 | abrotman | probably won't sound so hot .. |
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| 13:31.38 | mischief | oh i am? :x |
| 13:31.47 | mns | abrotman: using what ? sox ? |
| 13:32.26 | mischief | ah, you're right hoo-hah :( i added it and am updating now |
| 13:32.30 | abrotman | mns: apt-cache search ogg encode |
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| 13:34.28 | mischief | oh my god :X it has to download another 20GB |
| 13:34.47 | abrotman | that's why you don't mirror unless you really need it |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | didn't we tell you to use a proxy instead of a mirror ? |
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| 13:35.00 | mischief | lol |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | bandwidth waster!! |
| 13:36.22 | mischief | i suppose you are right abrotman |
| 13:36.25 | hoo-hah | abrotman: would you happen to know more about that clean option? |
| 13:36.30 | hoo-hah | er, mischief: ^ |
| 13:36.44 | mischief | is it possible to convert my apt-mirror repo to work with apt-proxy? |
| 13:36.44 | abrotman | mischief: how many machines do you have on your network that are using this? |
| 13:36.53 | mischief | hoo-hah, from what i read, it reaps old packages. |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | mischief: you could point apt-proxy at your local mirror |
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| 13:37.18 | abrotman | hoo-hah: clean for what? |
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| 13:37.23 | mischief | abrotman, but what would that benefit? |
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| 13:37.49 | hoo-hah | abrotman: mischief used a 'clean' option in his sources.list |
| 13:37.58 | mischief | um |
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| 13:38.03 | mischief | i pasted my mirror.list |
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| 13:38.06 | hoo-hah | mischief: I've never seen my sources file populated with that commenting |
| 13:38.07 | mischief | NOT sources.list |
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| 13:38.21 | mischief | mirror.list is apt-mirror's configuration |
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| 13:38.36 | hoo-hah | ah whoops |
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| 13:38.41 | hoo-hah | sorry, misread your response earlier |
| 13:38.43 | abrotman | mischief: then stop your mirroring now, switch to apt-proxy |
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| 13:38.51 | abrotman | or some other apt proxy |
| 13:39.06 | mischief | :x |
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| 13:39.18 | mischief | can i transparently switch from apt-mirror to apt-proxy? |
| 13:39.40 | abrotman | you could maybe drop the packages where apt-proxy is looking for them |
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| 13:43.44 | Speereet | Thank you, asg. |
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| 13:45.16 | jelly | Speereet: fwiw, that particular bit is called setgid |
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| 13:52.52 | hoo-hah | guys, how soon after a stable release of kernel (e.g. 2.6.30) is made public will it be considered for entry in any of the debian repositories? |
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| 13:53.35 | hoo-hah | is it possible that I'd get to use it at least before squeeze becomes stable? |
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| 13:54.00 | petemc | hoo-hah: yes |
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| 13:56.22 | themill | hoo-hah: linux-image-2.6.30-rc7 is available from the kernel team; expect a further release to hit sid shortly and then migrate to squeeze some time after that. /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
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| 13:59.31 | adb | there are talking about making 2.8 series kernel ? |
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| 14:00.14 | enouf | baking as we speak |
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| 14:01.45 | dacs | howdy folks |
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| 14:02.42 | dacs | i downloaded the x-lite phone software, X-Lite_Install.tar.gz and i did tar -zxvf filename |
| 14:02.58 | dacs | but how do i run it |
| 14:03.24 | cdc | hi! anyone can tell me where I can find an easy, newbie-ish openvpn tutorial on debian ? |
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| 14:03.42 | cdc | !ping |
| 14:03.42 | dpkg | Yes, cdc, you are online. |
| 14:03.56 | cdc | heh |
| 14:03.59 | Z4ndX^Laptop | Hello ..I need a little help with FluxBox. I want to set the background so i use "fbsetbg -f /path/to/file/ -u eterm" but when i reboot I'll have to run "fbsetbg -l" to get the wallpaper back. How do i make it run that commands at login ?.. |
| 14:04.13 | petemc | dacs: look for instructions in the files you unarchived, or look wherever you got the tarball, also consider using pre packaged options such as kphone |
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| 14:04.20 | asg | Z4ndX^Laptop: put the command in ~/.xsession |
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| 14:04.35 | Z4ndX^Laptop | asg: And it will run at login ? |
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| 14:04.45 | asg | Z4ndX^Laptop: yes |
| 14:04.49 | Z4ndX^Laptop | Thanks |
| 14:05.02 | pumukleee | is away (Elj gyorsan, halj meg oregen es kozben mindig legy biztos benne) |
| 14:06.23 | Z4ndX^Laptop | asg: I dont seem to have that file.. I'll just make it them ? .. |
| 14:06.29 | Z4ndX^Laptop | *then |
| 14:06.46 | Z4ndX^Laptop | Just make a file with the line "fbsetbg -l" |
| 14:07.30 | asg | Z4ndX^Laptop: yes. Depending on how you start X, you may need to put 'exec fluxbox' as the last item in the file. |
| 14:07.49 | hark | cdc: the openvpn website |
| 14:08.17 | cdc | hark, i didn't even take alook, I assumed it was too long to understand. Do you confirm it is easy ? |
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| 14:08.40 | petemc | cdc: its not particularly easy |
| 14:08.40 | hark | yes |
| 14:08.51 | Z4ndX^Laptop | How i start X ? .. It automaticly starts XDM and than FB .. |
| 14:09.02 | Z4ndX^Laptop | asg .. |
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| 14:09.06 | cdc | thats what I thought |
| 14:09.16 | asg | Z4ndX^Laptop: try it without the 'exec fluxbox' then. If that causes problems, add it back in. |
| 14:09.28 | petemc | anything that involves mucking around with certificates and routing isnt going to be terribly easy |
| 14:09.28 | Z4ndX^Laptop | Okay .. i'll try |
| 14:09.31 | _kettle_ | anyone with mono/debian experience? trying to run a .NET project under mono, but I just get "Standard output has not been redirected or process has not been started.". This is Debian SID. |
| 14:09.50 | betz | Is it normal that i can't access a mysql db from outside a server. So a remote connection. And how can i enable this? |
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| 14:10.39 | _kettle_ | betz: that's normal, yes. You have to set up the server to listen to the public IP address |
| 14:10.44 | asg | betz: external connections are disabled by default. |
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| 14:10.55 | asg | betz: you can re-enable them in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 14:11.11 | _kettle_ | betz: look for "bind-address" |
| 14:11.32 | bkraptor | !kernel |
| 14:11.34 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.30, snapshot: 2.6.30-git4, 2.4: 2.4.37.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 14:11.53 | bkraptor | oh really. lenny has kernel 2.6.30? |
| 14:12.07 | petemc | negative |
| 14:12.13 | betz | ah, no i had to put localhost. It's done with ftp. Thanx anyway everybody |
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| 14:12.50 | abrotman | bkraptor: that's not what that means |
| 14:13.02 | _kettle_ | anyone running mono? When I run something under "xsp2" I just get HTTP 500: "Standard output has not been redirected or process has not been started." |
| 14:13.19 | bkraptor | abrotman: how do I find the kernel versions in stable and testing? |
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| 14:14.03 | asg | _kettle_: maybe ask ##mono |
| 14:14.22 | debuz | in which channel should I discuss regular expressions? |
| 14:14.32 | debuz | ... or bash? |
| 14:14.38 | asg | debuz: #bash is a good place |
| 14:14.41 | _kettle_ | asg: thanks, but that channel is dead... and I guess it could be a debian issue |
| 14:14.50 | debuz | thanks |
| 14:14.54 | _kettle_ | asg: a success story would tell me otherwise :) |
| 14:15.00 | stew | debuz: also #regex |
| 14:15.05 | debuz | cool, thanks |
| 14:15.13 | asg | _kettle_: fair enough |
| 14:15.58 | _kettle_ | debuz: #perl? depends what kind of regex... |
| 14:16.16 | debuz | _kettle_: it's for bash use ^^ |
| 14:16.27 | hark | cdc: it's pretty well explained for a tutorial |
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| 14:17.00 | cdc | hark i will use hamachi instead |
| 14:17.02 | hark | cdc: i like the easy-rsa scripts which come with openvpn as well... makes it easier |
| 14:17.06 | cdc | hark, thanks |
| 14:18.09 | _kettle_ | how do I install a package with apt-get even if dependencies are unmet? --force-yes and -m don't work... |
| 14:18.19 | hark | you don't |
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| 14:18.51 | hark | that's why they are called dependencies |
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| 14:19.28 | ranix | _kettle_: I have a feeling this is not your real question |
| 14:19.35 | ranix | !xyquestion |
| 14:19.52 | _kettle_ | hark: thanks, but... apt-get install libapache2-mod-mono "Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable", and.. apt-get install mono-jit "the following packages replace it: mono-runtime" and ... "mono-runtime is already the newest version." |
| 14:20.01 | _kettle_ | so I'm still trying to install libapache2-mod-mono |
| 14:20.18 | adb | aptitude may help |
| 14:20.20 | Z4ndX^Laptop | asg: Hey .. I didnt work. Without the "exec fluxbox" i wont even login and with "exec fluxbox" nothing happens |
| 14:20.58 | hark | _kettle_: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 14:21.57 | _kettle_ | hark: bat? |
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| 14:23.05 | ranix | packages.debian.org says mono-jit should be installable from what I can gather |
| 14:23.25 | ranix | !tell _kettle_ -about bat |
| 14:24.09 | ranix | pastebinning that will help |
| 14:24.30 | _kettle_ | ranix: I'm on SID, because in stable some functionality I needed was removed from mono because of license issues :/ |
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| 14:25.16 | asg | Z4ndX^Laptop: odd, that used to work just fine. Check ~/.xsession-errors to see if anything is indicated as to why it failed. |
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| 14:25.29 | ranix | you could download the .deb, and alter the control file to list mono-runtime as the dependency rather than mono-jit |
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| 14:25.37 | ranix | then repackage it and install |
| 14:25.47 | ranix | alternatively, compile from source |
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| 14:28.35 | PointMan | um how can I get a version of vncserver without x? i tried aptitude -R install tightvncserver but it insists on installing X as well |
| 14:28.36 | toronto | hi |
| 14:28.43 | toronto | pc spec help ? |
| 14:28.54 | ranix | !complete sentences |
| 14:29.03 | toronto | !complete |
| 14:29.13 | ranix | dpkg is slow today |
| 14:29.13 | dpkg | ranix: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:29.18 | ranix | hey |
| 14:29.44 | jelly | !botsnack |
| 14:29.45 | dpkg | thanks, jelly |
| 14:29.51 | asg | PointMan: why would you want a vncserver without X? |
| 14:29.57 | obl | ? |
| 14:30.00 | obl | pc spec help ? |
| 14:30.07 | asg | !smart questions |
| 14:30.07 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 14:30.13 | jelly | obl: please write in english. |
| 14:30.17 | PointMan | asg: for my server, i dont want x on it and I want to use virt-manager on it |
| 14:30.32 | _kettle_ | ranix: I posted my output at http://paste.debian.net/38900, but still don't get how to tell dpkg about this, if that's what I was meant to do :p |
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| 14:31.03 | obl | jelly: Help building pc spec here? |
| 14:31.18 | jelly | obl: try ##hardware |
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| 14:32.00 | Z4ndX^Laptop | asg: Hey .. I didnt work. Without the "exec fluxbox" i wont even login and with "exec fluxbox" nothing happens |
| 14:32.10 | asg | PointMan: oh, I see. |
| 14:32.24 | asg | Z4ndX^Laptop: did you check ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 14:32.35 | jelly | obl: this channel is about getting support for Debian GNU/Linux, a free operating system (and a Linux distribution) |
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| 14:33.00 | PointMan | asg: now I have answered your question, please answer mine :) |
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| 14:34.03 | asg | PointMan: sadly, I'm unable to do so since I'm unsure how much of X is required even in your situation. Perhaps someone else in here knows or is familiar with setting up virt-manager. |
| 14:34.19 | ranix | _kettle_: yeah, I suggest to download the .deb from packages.debian.org, unpack it, edit the Control file to depend on mono-runtime instead of mono-jit, and then repack it and dpkg -i it |
| 14:34.21 | PointMan | asg: bah |
| 14:35.00 | xlotlu | PointMan: it doesn't. apt-cache policy tightvncserver |
| 14:35.17 | xlotlu | errm , make that apt-cache depends tightvncserver |
| 14:35.37 | _kettle_ | ranix: ok, I'll give it a shot. thanks |
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| 14:36.00 | PointMan | hmm ok, i just asked in here a hour ago that it wasnt dependant of x |
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| 14:37.15 | eduardo | alguém poderia me ajudar? |
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| 14:37.18 | bvk_ | are there cross toolchain packages available in debian repo? |
| 14:37.53 | asg | !tell eduardo about pt |
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| 14:38.24 | xlotlu | PointMan: i dunno what aptitude -R does, but if it pulls in the actual xserver, it's probably because of recommends / suggests |
| 14:38.34 | eduardo | I installed debian yesterday, but it is only black screen that recognizes the parts of the computer and does nothing |
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| 14:40.36 | abrotman | you mean in X ? |
| 14:41.16 | jelly | !br |
| 14:41.16 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:41.58 | jelly | eduardo: does is end up with a login: prompt? |
| 14:42.12 | eduardo | jelly no |
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| 14:42.20 | dacs | when i tar -zxvf file name , and i chmode +x filename , then ./filename. i got panic : failed to initialize GTK |
| 14:42.32 | jelly | eduardo: what's the last 2-3 lines on the output? |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | dacs: maybe oyu don't have gtk installed ? |
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| 14:43.16 | bookmark | what's up homlessness |
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| 14:43.43 | Z4ndX | asg: There is a lot in .xsession-errors, can i delete the file and try the hole thing again ? |
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| 14:44.13 | dacs | abrotman: that skipp me |
| 14:44.20 | dacs | will check and come back |
| 14:44.24 | ness | hi, what package do I have to install to get java in iceweasel on amd64? |
| 14:44.36 | asg | Z4ndX: yes |
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| 14:44.45 | bookmark | is a there a program tht can erase the short term memory ofhumans with a flashy light? |
| 14:45.21 | cahoot | like... TV? |
| 14:45.22 | Z4ndX | asg: Okay brb |
| 14:45.30 | dacs | bookmark: yes |
| 14:45.34 | asg | bookmark: just give them a lot of booze |
| 14:45.36 | dacs | bookmark: called MIB |
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| 14:45.55 | PointMan | how do I install emacs without x? I just want the old console version.. |
| 14:45.58 | dacs | asg: that will work too lol |
| 14:45.58 | abrotman | ness: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | PointMan: apt-cache search emacs nox |
| 14:46.24 | bookmark | remind me not to let those guys in my house if i can help it |
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| 14:46.55 | jelly | bookmark: yeah, a heavy flashlight hit in the lower back of the head |
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| 14:47.02 | dacs | abrotman: dpkg -l gtk No packages found matching gtk. |
| 14:47.07 | ness | abrotman: I tried that, but I'm unsure. icedtea6-plugin? |
| 14:47.30 | abrotman | dacs: INSTALL THEM |
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| 14:49.41 | bookmark | ok this is weird i have been provided terminal which runs as root but i cannot get console to be as root user. (in tinycore) |
| 14:50.01 | dacs | abrotman: please excuse me, i have gimp installed on my laptop? i am just wondering why it did not install GTK ...or they are different?! |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | ness: that seems reasonablwe |
| 14:50.12 | abrotman | dacs: strace ./installer.sh |
| 14:50.16 | abrotman | see what it's looking for |
| 14:50.23 | bookmark | nor does it have ttys |
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| 14:50.39 | ness | abrotman: ok, I'm trying that. That's 180MB to get a java plugin, but hey ^^ |
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| 14:51.02 | dacs | abrotman: am not familiar with that command what does it do? |
| 14:51.12 | abrotman | try it |
| 14:51.52 | dacs | abrotman: command not fond |
| 14:51.59 | dacs | s/fond/found/ |
| 14:51.59 | abrotman | install it? |
| 14:52.24 | dacs | abrotman: install strace? |
| 14:52.35 | trifler | dacs: Do it. |
| 14:52.46 | bookmark | wing3d has a debian package |
| 14:52.52 | bookmark | it rocks ;D |
| 14:52.59 | bookmark | wings3d rather |
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| 14:55.12 | dacs | trifler: i trust abrotman with my eyes closed, i know the guy for almost 6 yrs. its just i want to learn |
| 14:55.39 | abrotman | dacs: it might be looking for gtk in a non-debian location .. or a different version or an ancient version |
| 14:55.44 | dacs | !me check to see what dpkg will say about strace |
| 14:55.45 | dpkg | moi? |
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| 14:56.17 | dacs | checking to see what dpkg will say about strace |
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| 14:57.51 | dacs | abrotman: so how do i check if that true |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | dacs: ldd ./filename .. try that first |
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| 14:59.26 | dacs | abrotman: ldd: ./installer.sh:No such file or folder |
| 14:59.33 | abrotman | okay .. then run strace on it |
| 14:59.36 | dacs | s/folder/directory |
| 15:00.01 | ness | abrotman: it works :) |
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| 15:00.11 | petemc | dacs: have you looked to see if anyone has created deb packages of xlite? |
| 15:00.22 | dacs | abrotman: ok i will be back |
| 15:00.29 | dacs | petemc: how do i check that |
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| 15:00.44 | petemc | by searching the internet |
| 15:00.48 | dacs | aptitude search xlite |
| 15:00.55 | dacs | return 0 |
| 15:00.58 | petemc | no |
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| 15:01.53 | petemc | have fun compiling xlite... |
| 15:01.54 | Cim | hi |
| 15:02.00 | Cim | i have question |
| 15:02.33 | Cim | is the Debian 5.0 is a fu*in crap or smth like that? |
| 15:02.54 | bookmark | what? |
| 15:03.18 | Cim | because if i trying to copy enything (cp -Rv) to my HDD it's crash and restart comupter |
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| 15:03.40 | bookmark | did you just install debian today? |
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| 15:03.52 | dacs | petemc: thank you for sharing the info |
| 15:04.00 | Cim | a try that with 2 HDD copy from pendrive or smb or anything and its the same situation |
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| 15:04.18 | Cim | bookmark, no i installed it 2 weeks ago |
| 15:04.59 | bookmark | so you try to copy a file what happens? |
| 15:05.03 | abrotman | dacs: i'm confused .. it's a SIP phone? |
| 15:05.05 | bookmark | your pc just shuts off? |
| 15:05.14 | Cim | bookmark, yes |
| 15:05.26 | azeem | you said it restarts |
| 15:05.30 | bookmark | that is a new one to me, ive never heard that |
| 15:05.31 | dacs | abrotman: yes |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | dacs: ekiga ? |
| 15:05.39 | dacs | abrotman: i have ekiga |
| 15:05.40 | Cim | reboots/restart |
| 15:05.45 | {lawl} | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev |
| 15:05.50 | dacs | abrotman: but i want to use x-lite |
| 15:05.51 | {lawl} | wheres my drive? |
| 15:05.55 | abrotman | dacs: okay |
| 15:06.00 | bookmark | sounds like maybe your journaling system has gotten screwed up |
| 15:06.17 | azeem | even if Linux panics, you don't get an immediate restart AFAIK |
| 15:06.28 | Cim | bookmark, I reinstalled the system 2 times with low format in the middle |
| 15:06.34 | azeem | low format? |
| 15:06.44 | bookmark | i would try using ext2 |
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| 15:07.26 | Cim | bookmark, why? |
| 15:07.36 | bookmark | also just after dhcp remove the ethernet line that way you get a really minmal install and you can see if just the base system works for you |
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| 15:07.53 | bookmark | well because ext3 has a journal trying to keep track of shit but it screws up from time to time |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | Cim: is this a new computer? |
| 15:08.04 | azeem | bookmark: I don't think that is good advice |
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| 15:08.34 | bookmark | its better imo to let it scan errors as they arrive and fix them. in my expereince anyway |
| 15:08.38 | Cim | abrotman, no it's Intel Celeron 333MHz with 128MB RAM and 20GB HDD |
| 15:08.47 | abrotman | Cim: have you considered .. it's dying? :) |
| 15:08.54 | bookmark | well im not just pulling it out of a had azeem ive had ext3 screw up my computer bigtime |
| 15:08.59 | bookmark | had=hat |
| 15:09.04 | {lawl} | help-me |
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| 15:09.12 | abrotman | bookmark: and lots more people had ext2 explode .. which is why we have ext3 |
| 15:09.16 | azeem | bookmark: so it rebooted? |
| 15:09.32 | bookmark | if you don't do the fscks when it tells you to |
| 15:09.40 | azeem | it reboots? |
| 15:09.56 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | Cim: i had a machine that was doing something similar .. when i ran a program to 'abuse' the hardware, that wsa the end of the machine .. the mobo was faulty |
| 15:10.05 | ajavid | is it saturday? |
| 15:10.06 | abrotman | Cim: and it was an older computer |
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| 15:10.15 | ajavid | nope |
| 15:10.17 | Cim | abrotman, but everything else is working |
| 15:10.17 | azeem | ajavid: please keep it on topic |
| 15:10.21 | bookmark | anyway it might be something completely diffrerent but those are my suggestions |
| 15:10.39 | azeem | Cim: so it just happens with cp? |
| 15:10.39 | \amethyst | if there is massive filesystem corruption you'd be more likely to get a kernel panic and a hang rather than a reboot |
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| 15:10.45 | abrotman | Cim: just USB fails ? |
| 15:10.46 | Cim | azeem, yes |
| 15:11.00 | azeem | what about dd |
| 15:11.03 | Cim | abrotman, no smb and other HDD to |
| 15:11.08 | abrotman | too ? |
| 15:11.15 | bookmark | what file system is your usb drive? |
| 15:11.22 | Cim | azeem, i don't know |
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| 15:11.33 | Cim | bookmark, FAT32 |
| 15:11.41 | \amethyst | Cim: can you boot from a live CD and try running badblocks -n on that drive? |
| 15:11.44 | abrotman | Cim: what if you copy to/from the same HDD ? |
| 15:11.52 | \amethyst | Cim: on the drive you're copying to |
| 15:11.54 | simonrvn | has also had inexplicable reboots - nothing in logs *sigh* |
| 15:12.14 | bookmark | sounds like a windows file system problem, i dunno can linux straighten those out? |
| 15:12.21 | azeem | bookmark: wht |
| 15:12.23 | azeem | what |
| 15:12.25 | \amethyst | Cim: that should give a clue as to whether it's the filesystem or hardware |
| 15:12.26 | kharloss | hi, someone can help me with some links for a program/script for indexing some companies - something like Yellow pages CD |
| 15:12.31 | nkuttler | bookmark: mkfs |
| 15:12.32 | azeem | bookmark: please explain how a file system can reboot a computer |
| 15:12.39 | Cim | abrotman, i can't check it because i have only system on it |
| 15:12.42 | bookmark | azeem because azeem doesn't know everything |
| 15:12.56 | bookmark | and neither do i |
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| 15:13.02 | cusco | hi |
| 15:13.08 | Z4ndX | asg: Got it working... Added the line "session.screen0.rootCommand: fbsetbg -l |
| 15:13.15 | petemc | kharloss: swish-e |
| 15:13.19 | Cim | \amethyst, i have only netinst :/ |
| 15:13.22 | Z4ndX | to ~/.fluxbox/init |
| 15:13.24 | simonrvn | azeem: i suspect he's thinking of the reboot from single user mode after an fsck... |
| 15:13.24 | cusco | lala.c:49:24: error: linux/user.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:13.26 | ranix | I had a similar problem once. The system would restart itself, it was the first time I had ever seen anything like that in linux |
| 15:13.28 | cusco | how come? |
| 15:13.44 | ranix | I plugged a diagnostic card in, QTpro, and determined that occasionally the CPU was dividing by zero |
| 15:13.47 | \amethyst | Cim: hmm.. don't remember whether the netinst has badblocks on it or not |
| 15:13.56 | ranix | at least, that's what the reported issue was |
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| 15:14.01 | ranix | something about a bad register |
| 15:14.27 | ranix | damnedest thing I ever saw, the only time I've ever seen something besides a power supply problem actually cause a reboot |
| 15:14.40 | \amethyst | a triple fault will cause a reboot |
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| 15:15.06 | pickcoder | I have seen faulty RAM, faulty disk controllers, and faulty CPUs cause random reboots |
| 15:15.12 | azeem | cusco: you're missing the kernel headers it seems |
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| 15:15.27 | azeem | right, it looks much more like a hardware issue to me |
| 15:15.46 | asg | Z4ndX: ah, cool |
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| 15:15.54 | ranix | I haven't had the luck to troubleshoot much besides Windows systems, and the Windows kernel is prone to rebooting itself for otherwise minor problems and interrupting your diagnosis |
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| 15:15.56 | \amethyst | I've also seen buggy drivers cause reboots, but usually those are proprietary graphics drivers |
| 15:16.09 | ranix | so I may have had similar problems that I didn't properly diagnose because of it |
| 15:16.22 | ranix | but the system in question was Debian, so no roadblocks |
| 15:16.32 | simonrvn | ranix: mine i think is that fact that suddenly the cpu is running at 1035 MHz instead of 908, with the same RAM (except i pulled out the cmos batt. for a while) |
| 15:16.52 | ranix | wow bizarre |
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| 15:17.43 | ranix | I really liked looking up the diagnostic code in a book though |
| 15:17.46 | ranix | all turn to page 37 |
| 15:17.55 | ranix | "CPU divide by zero" |
| 15:18.03 | ranix | I half expected to implode |
| 15:18.04 | cusco | azeem: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 is already the newest version. |
| 15:18.08 | cusco | :-( |
| 15:18.23 | azeem | cusco: do you have build-essential installed? |
| 15:18.26 | cusco | yes |
| 15:19.24 | Cim | \amethyst, how long the badblocks will be checking the drive? |
| 15:19.42 | ranix | Cim: my badblocks scans usually take ~4 hours on 80gb drives |
| 15:19.46 | cusco | there is /usr/src/linux/include/linux/user.h |
| 15:20.11 | Cim | not good :/ |
| 15:20.18 | azeem | cusco: so maybe a broken build system |
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| 15:20.34 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 15:20.38 | ranix | What are you trying to do, cusco? What'cha building? |
| 15:20.53 | JohnFlux | apt-cache policy shows two version of wine - how do I specify that I want the older one? |
| 15:21.13 | azeem | JohnFlux: put a =$VERSION after the package |
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| 15:21.23 | cusco | ranix: for now I can't get past including linux/user.h |
| 15:21.38 | ranix | cusco: go up one level |
| 15:21.43 | ranix | cusco: what are you trying to do now |
| 15:21.51 | ranix | cusco: I just did a cd .. to you |
| 15:22.12 | cusco | sorry I can't follow your conversation... |
| 15:22.22 | ranix | give me a more general explanation |
| 15:22.29 | \amethyst | what is lala.c ? |
| 15:22.29 | ranix | "I am trying to compile a program I wrote" |
| 15:23.11 | JohnFlux | azeem thanks! |
| 15:23.19 | ranix | or "I am running make in the source directory for mysql that I downloaded from apt-source" |
| 15:23.22 | cusco | I did not write it but if you are going to point me out that the binary file is already packaged... then... ok thanks |
| 15:23.46 | ranix | I think you are having an |
| 15:23.50 | ranix | !xyproblem |
| 15:23.50 | dpkg | from memory, xyproblem is people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
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| 15:28.13 | damasceno | Somebody know, if snort work with protocol TZSP? |
| 15:28.45 | cusco | ranix: I don't think so |
| 15:28.49 | cusco | ranix: http://pastebin.com/m45c2101c |
| 15:28.55 | cusco | its no program yet |
| 15:29.09 | \amethyst | cusco: linux/user.h is a kernel-space header |
| 15:29.17 | cusco | yes |
| 15:29.38 | cusco | and the link is there |
| 15:29.52 | ranix | cusco: there is no /usr/src/linux/usr.h, simple as that |
| 15:29.57 | ranix | cusco: you have the wrong include path |
| 15:30.07 | cusco | cusco@CooL:~$ ls -lia /usr/src/linux/include/linux/user.h |
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| 15:30.11 | cusco | 318440 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 2009-04-19 21:16 /usr/src/linux/include/linux/user.h -> ../../../linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common/include/linux/user.h |
| 15:30.28 | ranix | so include linux/include/linux/user.h |
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| 15:31.34 | ranix | http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/gccintro_21.html |
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| 15:31.45 | ranix | check that link for how to alter your makefile to set search paths in gcc\ |
| 15:31.46 | \amethyst | cusco: so you should be doing gcc -I /usr/src/linux/include |
| 15:31.57 | \amethyst | cusco: but what is the purpose of this? |
| 15:32.07 | \amethyst | cusco: it is not safe to use kernel headers directly from user space |
| 15:32.22 | ranix | cusco: I strongly suspect this is an xyproblem |
| 15:32.28 | \amethyst | cusco: is it that you want to know the format of the registers on the stack? |
| 15:32.36 | cusco | thanks \amethyst |
| 15:33.03 | cusco | yes |
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| 15:34.01 | \amethyst | cusco: in userspace you probably want want struct pt_regs from #include <linux/ptrace.h> |
| 15:34.26 | \amethyst | cusco: which is available in a userspace-safe version in linux-libc-dev |
| 15:34.34 | cusco | its not me... |
| 15:34.53 | cusco | and ok thanks |
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| 15:35.06 | \amethyst | cusco: what is the program you are compiling? |
| 15:35.26 | \amethyst | cusco: and what structures from user.h does it use? |
| 15:35.37 | cusco | an exploit |
| 15:35.59 | ranix | if you're including kernel headers it's extremely likely you need to look into the difference between userspace and kernel space |
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| 15:37.06 | cusco | don't take me wrong, I just have to show my boss that paswordless ssh can be insecure if someone elevates his local access |
| 15:37.33 | \amethyst | "elevates his local access" ? |
| 15:37.38 | cusco | so I jsut want to try a exploit in order to show that user access can be elevated |
| 15:38.28 | \amethyst | so the OS has a security hole you know about and you haven't told your boss? |
| 15:38.55 | themill | can't see how this will end well |
| 15:39.13 | \amethyst | cusco: how would using a password instead of a key help? |
| 15:39.44 | azeem | cusco: please notice that his channel is not for general programming advice |
| 15:39.57 | cusco | I know |
| 15:39.59 | cusco | sorry |
| 15:40.18 | cusco | a key with a passphrase would help, \amethyst |
| 15:40.40 | ranix | it should be okay to end this conversation. I have trouble believing someone who doesn't know how to add search paths to gcc is going to offer a meaningful argument about user elevation security holes |
| 15:40.42 | enouf | themill: ask !8ball :-P |
| 15:41.10 | ranix | and if he does, more power to him and it's not worth arguing about |
| 15:41.34 | enouf | ranix: you too eh? |
| 15:41.41 | ranix | eh eh? |
| 15:41.43 | ranix | :P |
| 15:41.53 | bookmark | does anyone know how to get to a root console in tinycore? |
| 15:42.01 | enouf | heh |
| 15:42.05 | bookmark | hehe |
| 15:42.09 | azeem | bookmark: what is tinycore? |
| 15:42.18 | bookmark | if you're all so great hax0rs |
| 15:42.30 | ranix | http://www.tinycorelinux.com/ |
| 15:42.30 | bookmark | azeem a livecd 10mb gui linux |
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| 15:42.34 | enouf | bookmark: why not bookmark us then :-p |
| 15:42.42 | azeem | bookmark: how is this related to Debian? |
| 15:42.46 | ajavid | qnx is 1.44mb floppy with gui OS |
| 15:42.47 | ajavid | :/ |
| 15:42.48 | ajavid | so? |
| 15:42.48 | ranix | sorry bookmark |
| 15:42.49 | enouf | bookmark: we support debian only here |
| 15:42.52 | ingo86 | hi, i have a problem shutting down my old debian computer, which i use as nas |
| 15:42.55 | ajavid | you are in #debian right |
| 15:43.00 | bookmark | oh sorry debian hax0rs |
| 15:43.03 | bookmark | hehe |
| 15:43.26 | bookmark | i wouldn't want to challenge you |
| 15:43.26 | \amethyst | bookmark: did you try sudo? |
| 15:43.39 | ranix | bookmark: we'll vampire ur megahurtz |
| 15:43.39 | ajavid | \amethyst, don't. its not debian. |
| 15:44.23 | ingo86 | when i try to shutdown it didn't poweroff the computer, it prints "Power Down" as last message but it doesn't shut down |
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| 15:44.35 | ajavid | igno, thats what it does. |
| 15:44.36 | nkuttler | ingo86: no apm/acpi support? |
| 15:44.39 | korhojoa | ingo86: acpi problems? |
| 15:44.43 | cusco | thank you anyway, even if my help request was not pleasent |
| 15:45.07 | Cim | ingo86,do you try acpi=force? |
| 15:45.15 | adb | ingo86: add a ATX power switch |
| 15:45.29 | ingo86 | <nkuttler>: acpi installed, apm too, acpi supported |
| 15:45.30 | korhojoa | ingo86: use your fingers |
| 15:45.38 | ajavid | man halt |
| 15:45.42 | ajavid | man poweroff |
| 15:45.53 | ingo86 | <Cim>: already tried |
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| 15:45.58 | ingo86 | <Cim>: same resulkt |
| 15:46.10 | ingo86 | <adb>: i have an ATX power switch |
| 15:46.15 | themill | ingo86: what kernel is this? (uname -r) |
| 15:46.22 | ajavid | telinit 0? |
| 15:46.38 | ingo86 | it was working with etch so it's something about configuration |
| 15:46.41 | ajavid | whats the problem, it shuts down but doesn't poewroff? |
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| 15:47.13 | ingo86 | themill: now i installed sid kernel, on squeeze |
| 15:47.25 | ingo86 | i was on lenny with the same result |
| 15:47.35 | ingo86 | ajavid: yes |
| 15:47.44 | Cim | are the repo for debian 4.0 is still open? |
| 15:47.57 | ranix | yeah |
| 15:48.02 | Cim | contrib and non-free to? |
| 15:48.02 | ajavid | ingo86, and this broke after upgrade to lenny? |
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| 15:48.29 | ranix | probably, they were a couple weeks ago at least and I haven't gotten any announcements saying otherwise |
| 15:48.39 | ingo86 | ajavid: if not with the upgrade to lenny, with the upgrades to .1 |
| 15:48.45 | ranix | security support for etch will end soon though |
| 15:49.14 | nkuttler | next year |
| 15:49.15 | ranix | one year after deprecation iirc |
| 15:49.23 | ranix | it's been a few months already |
| 15:49.35 | nkuttler | 12 - a few |
| 15:49.42 | Cim | so maybe i will return to etch when i can :/ |
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| 15:49.48 | ingo86 | ajavid: obviously reboot is working |
| 15:50.00 | ranix | time flies when you're having fun, nkuttler |
| 15:50.11 | ajavid | ingo86, try this |
| 15:50.15 | nkuttler | ranix: /msg dpkg etch security |
| 15:50.19 | ajavid | ingo86, apm=realmode-power-off as a kernel parameter |
| 15:50.31 | ajavid | ingo86, boot with this, and try shutdown -h now etc. |
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| 15:50.49 | ingo86 | ajavid: ok thank you |
| 15:50.56 | ingo86 | i'll be back soon |
| 15:50.59 | ajavid | ingo86, you may have to modprobe it first |
| 15:51.04 | enouf | ingo86: what is the CPU? |
| 15:51.08 | ajavid | ingo86, or put it into /et/cmodules |
| 15:51.10 | piper69 | abrotman: when i do aptitude install GTK , i get Couldn't find any package matching "GTK", and more than 40 |
| 15:51.11 | ajavid | etc/modules |
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| 15:51.50 | enouf | ingo86: have you been toying with toggling rc{0,6,S}.d scripts ? |
| 15:52.23 | bookmark | libgtk1.2 - The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X |
| 15:52.30 | ajavid | APM is getting old, the majority of new PCs use ACPI instead of APM |
| 15:52.51 | enouf | whatever ,.. i gotta go .. hope you get it sorted -- dmesg | grep ACPI | wc -l should yield like more than 20 results if ACPI is indeed working |
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| 15:53.02 | ajavid | Try disabling APM on boot-up and turning off the APM daemon too |
| 15:53.05 | ajavid | if taht fails |
| 15:53.07 | enouf | ajavid: 1999 p2 supports it even |
| 15:53.49 | enouf | ajavid: since 2.6.18, no need for even acpi=force option ... even though ACPI_BLACKLIST=y2k or somesuch |
| 15:54.13 | enouf | ask him about BIOS settings and CMOS |
| 15:54.16 | enouf | gotta run |
| 15:54.20 | ajavid | im hungry |
| 15:54.21 | ranix | cya enouf |
| 15:54.22 | ajavid | breakfast time :) |
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| 15:59.26 | bookmark | why would grub tell me it cant mount a partition? |
| 15:59.39 | ranix | I'll give you three guesses |
| 15:59.48 | ranix | are you using debian now, bookmark? |
| 15:59.57 | bookmark | sort of |
| 15:59.59 | bookmark | hehehe |
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| 16:00.10 | ranix | bookmark: then I might suggest you try #grub |
| 16:00.15 | azeem | oh, that makes things easier |
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| 16:06.14 | Symbi0nt | anyone knows how to _well_ install ffmpeg so that it works for script languages like php? |
| 16:06.24 | Symbi0nt | aptiture install ffmpeg installes a lot |
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| 16:07.00 | Bohemian | does debian have a talk channel? |
| 16:07.09 | azeem | #debian-offtopic |
| 16:07.14 | Bohemian | thx |
| 16:07.32 | Cim | \amethyst, there is no on screen with badblocks -n and i dont have time |
| 16:08.39 | Cim | \amethyst, have you got any other propositions? |
| 16:09.31 | dacs | i am trying to install GTK but i get couldn't find couldn't find |
| 16:09.42 | dacs | ^Couldn't find any package matching "GTK", and more than 40 |
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| 16:13.50 | ajavid | gtk what? |
| 16:13.57 | ajavid | dacs, what do you owant gtk for? |
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| 16:14.17 | ajavid | dacs, for the most basic in stable, install libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 16:15.45 | t35t0r | how do i get into lilo on boot? |
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| 16:18.02 | Cim | fuck the debian 5.0 |
| 16:18.06 | Cim | holy crap |
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| 16:18.42 | nkuttler | t35t0r: ? |
| 16:19.36 | t35t0r | i don't get lilo: |
| 16:19.45 | t35t0r | it just goes straight into boot |
| 16:20.06 | t35t0r | i need to go into single user mode because ypbind is getting stuck on boot since the machine was moved to a different network |
| 16:20.14 | azeem | t35t0r: edit lilo.conf |
| 16:20.27 | t35t0r | i doubt knoppix will work on this old box |
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| 16:27.40 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:30.32 | dacs | ajavid: i am trying to run xlite softphone , i get Panic when i try to ./filename |
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| 16:32.01 | ajavid | why me? |
| 16:32.11 | ajavid | oh i see who you are, you asked earlier |
| 16:32.30 | dacs | 16:16 < ajavid> dacs, for the most basic in stable, install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 16:32.32 | ajavid | dacs, it depends on gtk libs? strace it? I dunno |
| 16:32.35 | dacs | thats why |
| 16:32.42 | dacs | :) |
| 16:32.48 | ajavid | never used xlite or anything |
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| 16:33.39 | ajavid | http://counterpath.com/x-lite.html |
| 16:33.41 | ajavid | doesn't work on linux |
| 16:33.45 | LuciusMare | hello,i have problems with starting xserver, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 16:33.51 | ajavid | and im not gonna try to emulate it |
| 16:33.52 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:34.11 | ajavid | http://counterpath.com/x-lite.html |
| 16:34.19 | ajavid | this is retarded, on the same page, they have a download for linux |
| 16:34.27 | dacs | ajavid: and why do they have a lunix version for it |
| 16:34.28 | ajavid | wtf is wrong with them |
| 16:34.41 | dacs | lol |
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| 16:35.22 | cockroach | dacs: why don't you just use one of the free SIP clients? |
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| 16:35.33 | ajavid | strange |
| 16:35.35 | ajavid | it iworks onmy system |
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| 16:35.44 | b52 | how can i install a package with aptitude without its dependencies? |
| 16:35.46 | ajavid | welcome to audio tuning wizard |
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| 16:36.41 | Z4ndX | Need help... Iv got a "low resource" laptop with fluxbox and i need a "low resource" app to view images. Any suggestions ? |
| 16:36.42 | themill | !wayttd b52 |
| 16:36.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, b52? |
| 16:37.04 | b52 | themill: im trying to install mumble-server |
| 16:37.11 | LuciusMare | i have problems with starting xserver, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." , how can i fix it? |
| 16:37.23 | b52 | but i dont want all this dependencies since im going to replace the executable with the up2date staticly build version |
| 16:37.27 | cockroach | Z4ndX: ristretto? |
| 16:37.37 | Z4ndX | cockroach: Is it any good ? |
| 16:37.41 | cockroach | Z4ndX: or gqview |
| 16:37.45 | Z4ndX | any good ? |
| 16:37.48 | b52 | Z4ndX: feh |
| 16:37.51 | b52 | its very light |
| 16:38.00 | cockroach | Z4ndX: i switched from gqview to ristretto, so yes, i like it |
| 16:38.08 | themill | b52: you'll do better making a backport of the debian package then -- /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:38.10 | b52 | gpicview is also very light |
| 16:38.10 | Z4ndX | Cool.. i wil try them |
| 16:38.14 | Z4ndX | thanks |
| 16:38.33 | cockroach | you're welcome |
| 16:39.38 | b52 | god damn it, look at all this deps |
| 16:39.40 | b52 | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mumble-server |
| 16:39.55 | b52 | how cn i install this package without all this deps? |
| 16:40.19 | cockroach | b52: you shouldn't, unless you *know* what you're doing. |
| 16:40.47 | dacs | cockroach: i am headed that way, but just wanted to make sure |
| 16:40.58 | b52 | cockroach: i knwo what im doing |
| 16:41.01 | themill | b52: you can't. That's why I'm telling you to make a debian package of the newer version |
| 16:41.07 | dacs | i have used xlite in the paste , but it was M$ ver |
| 16:41.13 | b52 | im just not familiar with debians build system and application management tools since i mainly run archlinux |
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| 16:41.31 | b52 | themill: what the hack, why cant i ?! |
| 16:41.47 | themill | b52: err... because that's what dependencies are? |
| 16:42.06 | themill | dpkg: tell b52 about dependency |
| 16:42.07 | cockroach | b52: i think you can by running dpkg -i --ignore-foo (see man dpkg), but then apt is never going to be happy again. |
| 16:42.16 | themill | don't do that ffs |
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| 16:42.36 | cockroach | b52: you can also 'apt-get source youpackage', changes the build script (debian/rules) and rebuilt without the dependencies |
| 16:42.48 | b52 | god damn it, its a staticly build version, i really dont need this "dependencies", i just want to have the environment of the package |
| 16:43.07 | themill | b52: why are you trying to install the debian package at all? |
| 16:43.16 | b52 | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/m/mumble/mumble-server_1.1.8-1~bpo50+1_amd64.deb |
| 16:43.17 | b52 | oh |
| 16:43.21 | nkuttler | b52: yeah, just put it in /opt/ or somewhere |
| 16:43.22 | b52 | i just want to have the environment of the package |
| 16:43.34 | nkuttler | b52: extract the deb |
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| 16:43.52 | themill | b52: wtf is this "environment"? |
| 16:43.59 | b52 | e.g. the init script |
| 16:44.18 | themill | b52: if you only want the init script then just extract that out of the deb manually |
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| 16:46.49 | Z4ndX | ristretto it is .. :) |
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| 16:48.19 | danners | can i install a kfreebsdenv from a running i386-linux installation? |
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| 16:50.57 | bookmark_ | how do you make the livecd load into ram so you can eject it? -to-ram? |
| 16:51.06 | bookmark_ | err sorry hi |
| 16:51.59 | abrotman | bookmark_: you'd probably ask the channel for your liveCD |
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| 16:57.25 | ajavid | wasn't he told to go there like 1.5 hours ago? |
| 16:57.32 | ajavid | doh |
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| 17:01.22 | LuciusMare | when i want to run X (by startx) it tells me that i not authorized to run it.How can i fix it? |
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| 17:04.27 | bookmark_ | ok i have this cd --> http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ click download and then i386/iso-cd/ the standard 140meg one |
| 17:04.44 | bookmark_ | and i'm wondering how to make it eject like load -to-ram |
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| 17:07.19 | LuciusMare | whz do not you tell me it here? |
| 17:07.49 | LuciusMare | you are too lazy or what? |
| 17:08.07 | themill | !patience |
| 17:08.07 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 17:08.28 | themill | the fact that you keep leaving about 2 minutes after asking questions doesn't help either |
| 17:08.47 | LuciusMare | themill: i was trying to install lynx |
| 17:09.15 | LuciusMare | but i am not root so i came back |
| 17:09.16 | hark | !xwrapper.config |
| 17:09.16 | dpkg | if you get the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and select "console users". There was a bug in the maintainer scripts for x11-common which was fixed in version 7.0.21 (currently in unstable) |
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| 17:09.31 | LuciusMare | hark: thank you |
| 17:09.33 | chuck | How do I remove something including its configuration files and init scripts? |
| 17:09.43 | ranix | chuck: apt-get remove -purge |
| 17:09.57 | ranix | --purge? I forget |
| 17:10.01 | cockroach | ranix: --purge? |
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| 17:10.05 | bookmark_ | you might also do an apt-get --purge autoclean afterward |
| 17:10.26 | bookmark_ | to remove any non-useful dependencies at that point as well |
| 17:10.28 | themill | dpkg, no, xwrapper.config is <reply> if you get the error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.", run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and select "console users". |
| 17:10.28 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 17:11.07 | themill | bookmark_: you might want to read man apt-get again. |
| 17:11.08 | nkuttler | bookmark_: i think you mean autoremove |
| 17:11.22 | bookmark_ | whoops |
| 17:11.26 | bookmark_ | yeah autoremove is it? |
| 17:11.30 | bookmark_ | sorry |
| 17:11.35 | hark | no purge there either |
| 17:11.41 | chuck | dpkg - warning: while removing apache2.2-common, directory `/etc/apache2' not empty so not removed. |
| 17:11.41 | dpkg | You are moron #1, chuck |
| 17:12.00 | azeem | dpkg: shuddup |
| 17:12.01 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 17:12.22 | bookmark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.23 | bookmark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.26 | bookmark_ | hmm what does that say |
| 17:12.33 | bookmark_ | does say autoclean does it not? |
| 17:12.40 | themill | bookmark_: it says you should read and stop pasting |
| 17:13.21 | bookmark_ | ah haha nevermind |
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| 17:13.26 | chuck | Does anyone know how to make apt remove configuration files? |
| 17:13.49 | nkuttler | chuck: there were files that don't belong to the package in that dir. rm. |
| 17:13.49 | themill | chuck: if you have custom config files left in /etc/apache2 you''ll get that |
| 17:14.18 | chuck | rm -rf /etc/apache2 ? |
| 17:14.25 | chuck | or just remove my extra configuration files |
| 17:14.37 | themill | chuck: You might want to check that there's nothing in there you want first |
| 17:14.44 | bookmark_ | sorry i got those commands mixed up, yeah i meant autoremove |
| 17:14.53 | bookmark_ | i was like i know that command exists |
| 17:14.53 | chuck | i've already moved my configuration over to nginx |
| 17:15.26 | abrotman | chuck: purge the package |
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| 17:26.52 | I_Died_Once | whats a tool i can use to rename a bunch of files at once? |
| 17:27.04 | I_Died_Once | more specifically, add an extension to them? |
| 17:27.12 | ranix | mv |
| 17:27.59 | ranix | I_Died_Once: check out find -type f -maxdepth 1 | while read file; do mv '$file' '$file.ext';done |
| 17:28.07 | abrotman | rename |
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| 17:30.00 | themill | or if you like find and don't know perl, use find -exec or xargs |
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| 17:30.24 | wranix | oh right, I keep forgetting exec |
| 17:30.26 | dkr | rename 's/$/.ext/' files |
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| 17:31.08 | gasull | Hi. Question about repositories. Can I use Debian stable but use unstable just for Firefox/Icewise and maybe a few other programs? Thank you. |
| 17:31.20 | wranix | !tell gasull -about backports |
| 17:31.43 | creature_ | !pinning |
| 17:31.43 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 17:32.29 | themill | wranix: oh btw: mv: cannot stat `$file': No such file or directory |
| 17:32.31 | themill | hides |
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| 17:32.56 | dkr | needs "$file" to interpolate the var, right? |
| 17:33.04 | themill | yep |
| 17:33.07 | wranix | oh noes |
| 17:33.12 | wranix | sorry about the quote error |
| 17:33.25 | wranix | my foo is weak |
| 17:33.41 | dkr | doesn't hurt to try, getting corrected helps you learn. :) |
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| 17:34.54 | magyar_ | hi, i installed lenny on a proliant DL380 and the booting process hangs for a goot 3-4 minutes and I see a lot of these errors > http://pastebin.ca/1458000 /dev/hda is a cdrom drive and it's empty |
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| 17:35.51 | wranix | magyar_: what drive are you using for root=/dev/blah in grub? |
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| 17:36.49 | bookmark_ | can someone tell me where are the source code here? for the hdd/usb image |
| 17:37.20 | azeem | bookmark_: for what? |
| 17:37.21 | wranix | bookmark_: syntax error |
| 17:37.33 | bookmark_ | for the hdd/usb image |
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| 17:37.39 | I_Died_Once | ranix - thanks... |
| 17:37.42 | azeem | bookmark_: what "the hdd/usb image"? |
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| 17:37.47 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 17:37.52 | azeem | bookmark_: cite a URL or so, at least |
| 17:38.10 | wranix | 'source code for the usb image' doesn't really make sense |
| 17:38.11 | Javi-K | is there any way to install debian on a computer with no cdrom or usb ??? |
| 17:38.26 | wranix | Javi-K: have you ever heard of debootstrap? |
| 17:38.27 | bookmark_ | look in here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386 |
| 17:38.28 | nkuttler | Javi-K: yes, /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:38.28 | azeem | Javi-K: yes, you can either take out the harddisk and install elsewhere |
| 17:38.38 | azeem | Javi-K: or netboot the installer, but that's a bit cumbersome |
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| 17:39.00 | Javi-K | which one do you think is the less complicated ? |
| 17:39.08 | azeem | bookmark_: what source are you looking for exactly? |
| 17:39.18 | bookmark_ | the hdd/usb image source |
| 17:39.29 | azeem | bookmark_: the image is comprised from 1000+ sources |
| 17:39.39 | bookmark_ | debian-live-500-i386-standard.img |
| 17:39.59 | azeem | debian-live-500-i386-standard.img.packages |
| 17:40.02 | wranix | bookmark_: that is not a computer program, it is a cd image. 'Source' does not apply |
| 17:40.06 | dhendrix | how does one list gcc profile information in debian? |
| 17:40.10 | bookmark_ | ok so lets say i wanted to help be a developer with it |
| 17:40.18 | magyar_ | wranix, it's a RAID 1 from the HP5Si RAID controller |
| 17:40.19 | bookmark_ | how would i get the source to help be a developer |
| 17:40.22 | azeem | bookmark_: maybe cdimage.debian.org has instructions |
| 17:40.27 | azeem | I think it's the debian-cd package |
| 17:40.54 | wranix | magyar_: you'll want to reboot and actually look at the line in Grub that says something like "root=/dev/hda" |
| 17:41.22 | wranix | magyar_: I would like to know what that says. I think it is pointing to your CD drive when it should be looking for your raid array |
| 17:41.33 | bookmark_ | wranix they might use like a cvs tree or something, but there is source for everything |
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| 17:42.50 | magyar_ | wranix, i'll check in a minute, kind of odd, i just did a fresh standart install |
| 17:43.22 | wranix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.35 | dkr | magyar people having odd problems? heh |
| 17:45.03 | LjL | i'm on testing and i still have a postgresql-7.4 database (because i forgot to migrate it), however now i have no means to access it since postgresql-7.4 can't be installed anymore (conflicts with the current version of postgresql-common). how can i migrate the data over to postgresql-8.3? |
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| 17:46.51 | bookmark_ | hmm is there grub on the livecd? |
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| 17:48.28 | I_Died_Once | ranix - |
| 17:48.31 | I_Died_Once | or anyone |
| 17:48.52 | I_Died_Once | what would be the command to rename all the files in a directory to five them all the .smc extension |
| 17:48.52 | bookmark_ | i keep dying |
| 17:49.11 | I_Died_Once | **to give them all the .smc extension |
| 17:49.14 | nkuttler | I_Died_Once: man rename |
| 17:49.30 | azeem | I_Died_Once: look at mmv |
| 17:49.55 | fxiny | man basename :P |
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| 17:50.59 | I_Died_Once | i hate that |
| 17:51.02 | dkr | I_Died_Once: rename 's/$/.ext/' files |
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| 17:51.17 | gasull | Does anybody know here what's the difference between Firefox/Icewise for amd64 from the Debian repos and Swiftfox for amd64? Is there any reason to use the Swiftfox repos? Thanks |
| 17:51.40 | azeem | gasull: we don't know about swiftfox |
| 17:51.43 | I_Died_Once | dammit how do i get out of 'man' |
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| 17:51.49 | dkr | q |
| 17:51.52 | I_Died_Once | i typed in man rename and i cant get out of it |
| 17:51.59 | I_Died_Once | ty ty |
| 17:52.05 | bookmark_ | backspace a bunch |
| 17:52.12 | liable | I_Died_Once: q |
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| 17:53.13 | dkr | we should have answered "man less" |
| 17:53.18 | dkr | snickers |
| 17:53.20 | wranix | I_Died_Once: the default manpage reader is, I believe, more. I personally prefer 'less' and I am not the only one. I recommend apt-get install less |
| 17:53.42 | wranix | I_Died_Once: later on for fun you should get familiar with vim syntax; it is fun, and useful |
| 17:53.52 | dkr | wranix: less is a more popular default nowadays, uhm, and the last decade actually. |
| 17:54.16 | wranix | dkr: as of etch, more was the default |
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| 17:54.44 | I_Died_Once | this sucks, i got a bunch of files in a directory i need to give the .smc extension and i gotta learn a noe program just to do one simple task |
| 17:55.13 | cahoot | install rename |
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| 17:55.21 | wranix | I suggest that if you do not want to learn how to use manly tools you go use a woman's computer such as a mac or windows |
| 17:55.33 | dkr | wranix: i guess I've had MANPAGER=less for so many years i didn't notice default for debian 3 years ago, :) |
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| 17:55.43 | wranix | dkr: ;) |
| 17:55.43 | gribouille | hi |
| 17:55.54 | gribouille | how can I know when a process was created ? |
| 17:56.07 | dkr | gribouille: ps has a start time field |
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| 17:57.16 | fxiny | I_Died_Once: for i in *.oldext; do mv "$i" "`basename "$i" .oldext`.newext"; done |
| 17:57.36 | gribouille | dkr, how can I get it ? |
| 17:58.11 | dkr | gribouille: ps aux|grep processname ? |
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| 17:58.55 | lex | Oh masterfull debian(ts), I come to thee with a pretty-damn-tough samba problem. |
| 17:58.56 | gribouille | dkr, ok thanks |
| 17:59.22 | dkr | lex: pointless flattery is silly. you are just wasting time |
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| 18:00.24 | dkr | and more often than not indicates people asking off-topic questions, hah |
| 18:00.27 | lex | dkr: Here is the thing: i had a smbldap setup, working perfectly. Due to some evil dufus, we lost part of the ldap tree. To be speciffic, all machine$ accounts. Now this can be solved by taking each windows box back and then in to the PDC again from each XP, but Im looking for some way to do it programmatically (lots-a-win-boxes here). |
| 18:00.53 | lex | dkr, so there... |
| 18:01.07 | jelly | mmm. sounds like a question for a samba channel |
| 18:01.33 | lex | jelly, im there as well. |
| 18:01.36 | Megaf | hi, how to a ordinary user can mount a file system? |
| 18:01.59 | dkr | Megaf: add the user option to the mount options field in /etc/fstab |
| 18:02.01 | abrotman | lex: so you want to magically create the machine accounts in the PDC ? |
| 18:02.31 | Megaf | dkr, what about memory keys, cameras and external hard drives? |
| 18:02.43 | abrotman | what about them? |
| 18:02.47 | lex | abrotman, yeah... i can do that with smbldap tools, and ive done it um but, the windows boxes seem oblvivious to the fact of their existance. |
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| 18:03.36 | abrotman | lex: this might sound dumb .. rebooted both things? (or restarted samba at least?) |
| 18:04.11 | cognitiaclaeves | Fast way to install basic development environment on lenny? |
| 18:04.14 | jelly | checks for existence of recent /var/backups/slapd/backup-*.gz on his machines |
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| 18:05.17 | lex | abrotman, ho... well thats never silly where win* is involved.... but yeah, the windows boxes have been rebooted plenty, the smb server has been restarted as well... no dice. I think that perhaps this is just the way the windows client works, which is sad, but then again what isnt? |
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| 18:05.58 | dkr | cognitiaclaeves: aptitude install build-essential |
| 18:06.28 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. Thanks, dkr. I can never remember the name of that package. |
| 18:06.39 | kotau | dkr isnt that the package you need to build/compile a kernel? |
| 18:07.01 | dkr | kotau: well, to compile anything. it includes gcc, linker, make, etc |
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| 18:07.32 | kotau | right, thanks. I got a pII install I'm tinkering with at the moment :) |
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| 18:07.48 | wranix | kotau: think of your electricity company! |
| 18:07.49 | kotau | compiling will likely take a whole day |
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| 18:09.22 | iluminator101 | whats the difference between gstream plugins good bad and ugly and so on |
| 18:09.51 | kotau | electricity co? Why would I think of them?! Is my pII laptop gonna cause the west coast to brownout again :) |
| 18:09.54 | Polarina | iluminator101: good = open standard, unpatented. bad = open standard, patented. ugly = evil. |
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| 18:11.33 | bike6 | i need to tracert a iip address |
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| 18:11.52 | Polarina | bike6: sudo traceroute <ip> |
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| 18:13.13 | qbwdp | allo allo |
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| 18:13.46 | qbwdp | does debian lenny not have mencoder packed in some deb package? it was not in the mplayer deb |
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| 18:13.55 | qbwdp | do i have to compile that myself? |
| 18:14.25 | iluminator101 | how do i install debian restricted codecs all at once |
| 18:14.46 | patrikf | !dmm |
| 18:14.47 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 18:14.51 | patrikf | @ qbwdp |
| 18:15.00 | qbwdp | patrikf: thank you |
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| 18:15.14 | iluminator101 | k thanks |
| 18:15.44 | bike6 | i have only email address that user but i need to know that how can i see ip address using how recivers email address |
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| 18:17.06 | bike6 | can it possible |
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| 18:17.52 | LjL | i'm on testing and i still have a postgresql-7.4 database (because i forgot to migrate it), however now i have no means to access it since postgresql-7.4 can't be installed anymore (conflicts with the current version of postgresql-common). how can i migrate the data over to postgresql-8.3? |
| 18:18.04 | gasull | Is it a suicide to use apt pinning to get packages first from Debian stable, then from Ubuntu repos? Is it more problematic than using apt pinning with Debian stable and unstable? AFAIK Ubuntu has more fixes than Debian unstable (correct me if I'm wrong). |
| 18:18.05 | bike6 | uaing email address can see that recivers computer ip address |
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| 18:20.41 | dkr | bike6: not possible |
| 18:21.10 | dkr | !tell gasull about pinning |
| 18:21.50 | magyar_ | wranix, root=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 |
| 18:22.16 | bike6 | no <dkr> |
| 18:22.31 | wranix | magyar_: whoa what is that, that's pretty bizarre no? Does your raid array not show up as an sd device? |
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| 18:22.44 | gasull | dkr: thanks. I know about pinning. My question is if mixing Debian unstable and Ubuntu is somehow more problematic than mixing Debian stable and unstable. |
| 18:22.45 | bike6 | i need to remote log that computer |
| 18:23.07 | magyar_ | wranix, proliant DL380 G3 has a RAID controller called %Si |
| 18:23.17 | magyar_ | not SATA drives |
| 18:23.38 | dkr | gasull: the pinning factoid also recommends to use backports instead |
| 18:23.52 | magyar_ | wranix, so the kernel is using a Compaq device |
| 18:24.30 | magyar_ | in any case i hate the 2.6.26 kernel, I have nothing but problems with it and it's a disaster that lenny was released with it |
| 18:24.34 | wranix | not familiar with how that device is treated by the kernel / module, magyar_. |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | magyar_: proliants are rather modular |
| 18:25.20 | dkr | bike6: mail servers are on a different machine than the user's computer. so you cannot get the user's ip address based on e-mail address. |
| 18:25.21 | Megaf | hi, how to a ordinary user can mount a file system? I mean, USB drives, just like cameras, mp3 player, external hard disks. |
| 18:25.22 | magyar_ | jelly, i setup proliants with etch and they worked like a CHAMP. This is on lenny |
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| 18:25.34 | magyar_ | still working |
| 18:25.36 | bike6 | no i m not doing that |
| 18:25.40 | jelly | but yes, a DL380 G3 will likely have scsi drives (unlike a DL320) |
| 18:26.06 | stew | mine has scsi |
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| 18:26.27 | wranix | magyar_: Can you check your BIOS? Is your hard disk on controller 0, disk 0? |
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| 18:27.27 | wranix | magyar_: also, what happens after that vomitous pastebin of errors |
| 18:27.31 | magyar_ | wranix, i set the 5Si to be the second boot device after ide cdrom /dev/hda |
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| 18:27.54 | magyar_ | wranix, the boot just goes on fine |
| 18:28.04 | micols | how do i make my volume group larger with lvm2? |
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| 18:28.28 | gasull | dkr: Thanks. I'll use stable + backports with apt pinning |
| 18:28.36 | magyar_ | brb, got to swap a PSU |
| 18:28.49 | bike6 | than <dkr> is thai fake http://aruljohn.com/info/howtofindipaddress/#ipdetect |
| 18:29.02 | Megaf | ok, i give up of asking for help here |
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| 18:30.18 | dkr | bike6: that is correct, but only works sometimes |
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| 18:31.43 | wranix | magyar_: ["Leaving"] |
| 18:31.43 | wranix | 14:28 < micols> how do i make my volume group larger with lvm2? |
| 18:31.47 | wranix | wtf |
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| 18:31.56 | wranix | magyar_: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/cdrom-drive-not-ready-for-command-33885/ |
| 18:32.20 | bike6 | but i cant understand that wts that link saying |
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| 18:34.29 | dkr | bike6: yeah, it involves a lot of knowledge about how mail, smtp, the internet protocol, dns, all work together. it's not easy. and people make it harder by forging various parts to hide spam, etc. :) |
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| 18:37.06 | redstick | why does my resolve.conf keep getting over wrote? |
| 18:37.26 | magyar_ | wranix, dead on, it's akernel issue |
| 18:37.41 | magyar_ | my favorite 2.6.26 |
| 18:38.03 | cmyers | redstick: probably you use dhcp? Every time your ip renews, it gets overwritten |
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| 18:39.04 | cmyers | redstick: man dhclient.conf - you can add directives here to change resolve.conf permanently |
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| 18:40.53 | efaistos | hi |
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| 18:41.13 | efaistos | does anyone know a good sms/text gateway offer ? |
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| 18:41.30 | redstick | i use ppoe |
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| 18:41.51 | cmyers | redstick: ps auxwwwfg | grep dhclient |
| 18:42.04 | cmyers | if dhclient is running, then it is what is overwriting your resolv.conf |
| 18:42.41 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how is likewise open in debian lenny 5.0? |
| 18:42.57 | bbelt16ag | it dosnt seem to support it |
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| 18:43.35 | wranix | magyar_: sorry bout asking you a bunch of unrelated junk, had to wrap my head around it a sec |
| 18:44.06 | redstick | ah, its ath0 |
| 18:44.12 | fxiny | ahh that's what the "w" is for :P |
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| 18:44.38 | wranix | haha |
| 18:44.43 | wranix | it's a wr day |
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| 18:45.37 | bbelt16ag | question peeps.. |
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| 18:46.29 | bbelt16ag | I got a file server with samba shares, runnin debian lenny, is there a way to send out this info through dns/dhcp on a windows server and have it added to windows clients? |
| 18:46.40 | bookmark_ | what is the smallest graphical web browser? |
| 18:47.09 | bookmark_ | liteweight harddrive size i mean |
| 18:47.16 | adama_ | wget |
| 18:47.20 | bookmark_ | hehe |
| 18:47.21 | mischief | hah. |
| 18:47.26 | patrikf | graphical?! |
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| 18:47.29 | bookmark_ | sees pixels |
| 18:47.41 | bookmark_ | well i mean that is current |
| 18:47.45 | patrikf | bookmark_: dillo, I think, but that has no CSS support. epiphany-(webkit|gecko) might be a compromise |
| 18:47.48 | bookmark_ | not some crazy old ass mosaic or something |
| 18:48.42 | fxiny | links2 ? |
| 18:48.42 | bookmark_ | does links2 have pic support? |
| 18:48.43 | wranix | links2 -g on the framebuffer with ... uh... I forgot the console mouse program's name |
| 18:48.43 | wranix | two letters |
| 18:48.47 | wranix | gpm? |
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| 18:49.06 | bookmark_ | there doesn't seem to be a package for dillo anymore |
| 18:49.09 | bookmark_ | dang |
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| 18:50.41 | bike6 | yes <dkr> then if there is a way to find a remote computer real ip address ? |
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| 18:51.57 | stew | judd: versions dilo |
| 18:52.05 | stew | judd: versions dillo |
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| 18:52.59 | gewt | hm... |
| 18:53.00 | judd | stew: dilo -- |
| 18:53.01 | judd | stew: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
| 18:53.10 | gewt | I am havign issues mounting my freebsd UFS partition under debian |
| 18:53.27 | gewt | sudo mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/hda1 /mnt works |
| 18:53.28 | gewt | BUT |
| 18:53.31 | bookmark_ | how do i know the glibc version for a machine? |
| 18:53.36 | gewt | ls then gives a bunch of I/O errors on directories |
| 18:53.52 | gewt | small exceprt form dmesg: [ 1311.956138] attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 18:53.52 | gewt | [ 1311.956157] hda: rw=0, want=21076003, limit=4128768 |
| 18:53.52 | gewt | [ 1311.956167] UFS-fs warning (device hda1): ufs_read_inode: unable to read inode 1318912 |
| 18:53.54 | stew | bookmark_: "apt-cache policy libc6" under "Installed:" |
| 18:54.06 | gewt | any dieas of anything I can do? |
| 18:54.45 | jelly | gewt: are you sure ufstype= is correct? |
| 18:54.55 | gewt | pretty sure... |
| 18:55.02 | gewt | 44bsd fails, what are the other options? |
| 18:55.16 | jelly | um... can say much more than rtfm |
| 18:55.19 | jelly | can't* |
| 18:55.34 | gewt | 44bsd says invalid magic number |
| 18:55.39 | jelly | it'll likely be in either man mount or man ufs |
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| 18:56.22 | bookmark_ | stew i'm out of place but i need to know abuot glibc on a tinycore linux not debian |
| 18:56.28 | bookmark_ | hehe |
| 18:56.36 | jelly | bookmark_: that's not funny at all |
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| 18:56.46 | jelly | yellow card! |
| 18:56.56 | jelly | hehe |
| 18:57.04 | deco | how do i install the broadcom drivers in debian 5 ? |
| 18:57.27 | jelly | deco: wired or wireless? which card exactly? |
| 18:58.02 | deco | jelly: wireless, i have to use b43-fwcutter but how do i use it |
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| 18:58.27 | deco | jelly, i got it working with the previous debian but now its different |
| 18:58.33 | gewt | anything other than ufs2 says invalid magic number. |
| 18:58.54 | gewt | b4@Serenity:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 18:58.54 | gewt | This disk has both DOS and BSD magic. |
| 18:59.55 | jelly | deco: I've no idea about those, but let's see... |
| 18:59.58 | jelly | !b43 |
| 18:59.58 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:00.05 | abrotman | bookmark_: why are you asking here about a different linux distro? |
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| 19:00.15 | gewt | The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4096. |
| 19:00.19 | gewt | could that cause issues? |
| 19:00.39 | bookmark_ | cuz no one answered in #linux ehehe sorry |
| 19:00.57 | deco | jelly thanks |
| 19:01.26 | jelly | deco: that didn't tell you much you didn't already know, I suspect |
| 19:01.36 | jelly | double negatives ftw |
| 19:01.37 | deco | jelly, yeah :P |
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| 19:01.58 | deco | jelly; i want to knwo where to extract the firmware etc... |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | bookmark_: try ##linux .. we do not support non-debian distros |
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| 19:02.22 | jelly | deco: the firmware always goes in /lib/firmware |
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| 19:02.53 | jelly | or are you asking "where from" |
| 19:03.05 | deco | jelly, ill try again, maybe ill let it get the firmware by its self this time |
| 19:03.20 | jelly | !b43-fwcutter |
| 19:03.20 | dpkg | i heard b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 3 and 4 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers. Available as a <contrib> package for etch, lenny and squeeze. See http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43 for more details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. |
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| 19:07.34 | RichiH | jelly: you saw the details about the pandora which i pasted you? |
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| 19:07.49 | Golden|Wolf | hey, i have to use --with-mysql , whats the dir for default mysql installation? |
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| 19:08.32 | jelly | RichiH: I'm afraid I haven't |
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| 19:09.14 | jelly | RichiH: but I'm starting to like the netbook format more than a portable playthingy |
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| 19:09.42 | jelly | a 9" netbook spoiled me |
| 19:09.50 | Golden|Wolf | hey, i have to use --with-mysql , whats the dir for default mysql installation? |
| 19:10.36 | RichiH | jelly: bluetooth & wifi have closed firmware. also, you need a blob for 3d. |
| 19:10.49 | tuv | jelly: which netbook are you using? (model/make) |
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| 19:13.13 | RichiH | jelly: there are no netbooks with a trackpoint |
| 19:13.18 | RichiH | so i will stick to my x31 :) |
| 19:13.58 | tuv | is looking to get a new netbook |
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| 19:14.53 | Nightchill | o,o |
| 19:14.57 | Nightchill | i'm on #debian |
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| 19:18.14 | abrotman | Golden|Wolf: didyou install the header files? |
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| 19:18.43 | Golden|Wolf | mysql-server-5.0? |
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| 19:21.52 | LuciusMare | hey |
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| 19:22.59 | ringo999 | i'm looking for an application to mix/cut mp3s into one piece, any recommendations? |
| 19:23.18 | LuciusMare | i am just a noob,i was on ubuntu untill this,so i do not know many things.one of them is | how to set ip adress,dns servers and so (the conection to the Internet) in text console? |
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| 19:23.39 | myeggo | hello, is there a way to open more than one instance of wine? |
| 19:23.50 | tuv | LuciusMare: man interfaces |
| 19:24.12 | LuciusMare | tuv: thank you |
| 19:24.48 | abrotman | Golden|Wolf: probably like mysql-dev |
| 19:25.20 | LuciusMare | tuv: there is nothing about DNS servers |
| 19:25.45 | cmyers | ringo999, have you tried "audacity"? |
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| 19:26.00 | tuv | LuciusMare: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:27.36 | tuv | LuciusMare: or install resolvconf to have dns-related entries in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:27.40 | LuciusMare | tuv: warning,stupid question ahead: will i have to edit this file every time i will get to another connection/dns? |
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| 19:29.18 | abrotman | LuciusMare: there are other ways to manage it |
| 19:29.34 | abrotman | hands reeher a cheesesteak and runs away |
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| 19:30.05 | ringo999 | cmyers: yes, i'm wondering if there is any better (having seen ableton live).. |
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| 19:30.08 | LuciusMare | abrotman: for example? |
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| 19:30.23 | abrotman | !search |
| 19:30.24 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 19:30.50 | cmyers | ringo999, sorry, that's the only one I know of. I'm sure there are other alternatives out there though. You can also use wine to run a windows one, I bet soundforge would work ok in wine. |
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| 19:31.22 | abrotman | apt-cache search edit mp3 ? |
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| 19:32.05 | ringo999 | cmyers: naw I don't like wine... |
| 19:32.38 | cmyers | nobody should *like* wine, it is a stopgap measure, and a workaround, so you can avoid something you like even less (say, windows, for example) =) |
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| 19:34.18 | tuv | LuciusMare: some tools, such as resolvconf, manage /etc/resolv.conf for you. if you don't have none of them installed, /etc/resolv.conf should stay intact (can be modified once). alternatively, you may choose to install resolvconf and set your dns options in your interfaces file as explained in man resolvconf |
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| 19:35.16 | reeher | Cant figure this out. I have Samba configured to allow usershares, and have (according to testparm) everything configured correctly. While at the console, I can connect the the share. If I am sitting at a M$-XP system, when I attempt to connect, I am repeatedly asked for password by windows. I've tail -f'ed all of the logs, nothing registered. Again the user in question CAN log on to the 'Windows Share' when sitting at the console. Ideas wh |
| 19:35.59 | reeher | The M$ system in question can ping and FTP to the server and successfully log in. |
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| 19:36.31 | eth01 | reehar: that is because samba has been either been configuring using a different password, or perhaps more the most common, permission-related |
| 19:36.39 | eth01 | configured * |
| 19:37.46 | eth01 | samba is heavily reliant upon permissions being set correctly, and if doesn't have it the way it likes it to be, it'll do silly things like the above. |
| 19:37.59 | reeher | Hmm.. It's a share within the user's /home.. And I did a smbpasswd -a (useraccount) |
| 19:38.13 | eth01 | i'm sure |
| 19:38.16 | reeher | eth01: beaut, I'll check into that some.. strange tho. |
| 19:38.29 | abrotman | reeher: do any passwords work to gain access? |
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| 19:38.46 | LuciusMare | is getting mad of this |
| 19:39.26 | LuciusMare | i edited the /etc interfaces file,properly added the current network options.how can i make it now bring up? |
| 19:39.41 | eth01 | LuciusMare: ifconfig up ? |
| 19:40.05 | reeher | abrotman: Umm.. haven't tried any other. I have to set up an account to allow in.. one sec, checking permissions on everything concerned with samba. |
| 19:40.29 | tuv | LuciusMare: ifup <iface-name>, as root |
| 19:40.48 | LuciusMare | eth01: up: error while getting informations about interface,device not found |
| 19:41.20 | tuv | LuciusMare: correct the interface name |
| 19:41.24 | eth01 | can't remember the exact one for debian |
| 19:41.29 | eth01 | something like it though |
| 19:41.49 | LuciusMare | SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such devixe,eth0-temp ERROR while getting interface flags: no such dfevice |
| 19:42.01 | LuciusMare | :,( |
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| 19:42.16 | tuv | LuciusMare: you don't make up the interface name to your liking. you use an existing interface |
| 19:42.49 | LuciusMare | tuv: it was in the man,exapmple "eth0-work" |
| 19:42.51 | LuciusMare | but ok |
| 19:42.54 | tuv | LuciusMare: ifconfig -a for a list of available interfaces |
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| 19:43.41 | tuv | LuciusMare: that was a more involved example, with interface name mapping. read the man page thouroughly |
| 19:43.44 | reeher | Hmm.. would it be normal for /etc/samba/smbpasswd to be 600? Can anyone check the permissions for their /etc/smbpasswd and let me know what they have? |
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| 19:44.27 | iluminator101 | how do i install openoffice 3.1 on debian |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | wasn't it just released like four hours ago? |
| 19:44.45 | abrotman | reeher: i believe it complains if oyu change it |
| 19:44.49 | tuv | reeher: 644 here (rw-r--r--) |
| 19:45.21 | abrotman | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 19:45.23 | judd | abrotman: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1:3.0.1-9 lenny-backports: 1:3.0.1-11~bpo50+2 sid: 1:3.1.0-4 |
| 19:45.28 | LuciusMare | tuv: eth0 with nothing lookig like informations i put it in,eth0:avahi and localhost |
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| 19:46.38 | tuv | LuciusMare: what? |
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| 19:46.56 | tuv | LuciusMare: is it a wired interface? |
| 19:46.59 | Krang | Hey all. I'd like to learn how to insert some logic into the startup process that checks an external flag (perhaps on a separate partition) before deciding what to mount as the root filesystem. Any pointers/suggestions? |
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| 19:47.51 | iluminator101 | question "Score is -9881" what does that mean |
| 19:48.07 | pumukleee | is away (Elj gyorsan, halj meg oregen es kozben mindig legy biztos benne) |
| 19:48.51 | abrotman | !tell pumukleee about away |
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| 19:53.55 | LuciusMare | tuv: yes,it is wired |
| 19:54.35 | tuv | LuciusMare: then it's most likely called eth0. use this name in your interfaces file and when running ifup |
| 19:55.00 | LuciusMare | yes,i renamed it to eth0,but still nothing |
| 19:55.22 | tuv | what does 'ifup eth0' exactly say? |
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| 19:55.49 | LuciusMare | i may mention that the computer i am trying to connect at and this computer has the same ip so they can not be connected at same time,but the error doesnt have anything to do with that |
| 19:56.29 | tuv | LuciusMare: what does 'ifup eth0' exactly say? |
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| 19:56.38 | LuciusMa1e | GODDAMN YEAH |
| 19:56.40 | LuciusMa1e | it connected |
| 19:56.45 | LuciusMa1e | thank you |
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| 19:57.06 | Intensity | I'm using an http_proxy for "apt-get update". I'm getting "Connection failed" errors, even though a "lynx -source" on "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg" succeeds. How can I debug what apt-get thinks the problem is? |
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| 20:00.36 | reeeeeesty | When sharing over samba, Linux --> WinXP. WinXP asks for a username password. When there is no username password |
| 20:00.41 | reeeeeesty | is there a way to avoid this? |
| 20:00.56 | reeeeeesty | a password to access linux files. |
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| 20:03.00 | pundito | I use Lenny, however, all X programs (GUI) lag, the more X intensive (like Firefox) the more, but even xterm lags sometimes . After I write or click something, it might be stuck for 2 or 3 seconds before I see anything. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 20:04.24 | Ryushin | Is nagios v1 removed from Lenny. |
| 20:04.27 | reeher | Pundito: man 'top' and do look for what is using inordinate amounts of CPU or RAM. |
| 20:04.54 | LuciusMare | and,if i connect a device,flash disk to the usb,what name does it have in /dev? |
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| 20:05.09 | LuciusMare | i mean,how do i mount it?> |
| 20:05.24 | dkr | pundito: sounds like it could be an issue with X modules/drivers not using hardware accel proprely |
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| 20:06.15 | dkr | pundito: check /var/log/xorg.0.log for any "EE"rrors or "WW"arnings |
| 20:06.15 | pundito | reeher according to top it could rather be dbus-daemon ... |
| 20:07.34 | reeher | Samba - I checked every permission I could find, nothing unusual except the smbpasswd file, which I set to the same permissions as /etc/passwd. I tried logging in as a different user, nothing, still the unending password queries. Nothing at ALL in teh fscking logfiles. Like there was never a connection attempted. I wonder .. would it matter if the source system is on a 'Windows domain' and the samba server is not joined to the domain? I can' |
| 20:08.56 | gasull | Hi. I did apt-get build-dep emacs and now I want to remove the packages that it installed. How can I do it? Thank you. |
| 20:08.59 | reeher | Why does it get my goat everytime I have to use the words 'domain' in association with 'Windows? |
| 20:09.22 | pundito | dkr that makes sense. i see errors in loading the keymap: |
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| 20:09.45 | adama_ | reeler: what is passdb backend set to in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 20:09.47 | pundito | dkr: "(EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0)" |
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| 20:09.56 | reeher | adama: one sec. |
| 20:09.58 | adama_ | reeher ^^ |
| 20:11.00 | reeher | adama: passdb backend = tbdsam |
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| 20:11.29 | bender | mythomaniac: |
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| 20:11.36 | bender | whats going on ??? |
| 20:11.44 | reeher | adama: I also tried disabling encrypted passwords in M$ and in Samba, still same thing. |
| 20:12.02 | mythomaniac | bender, nothing why? |
| 20:12.10 | wranix | stop with the m$, it's obnoxious |
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| 20:12.27 | reeher | wranix: sorry. old habit. |
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| 20:13.18 | dkr | but MS is mara salvatrucha and they will come kill us for abusing their name |
| 20:13.57 | scream_ | reeher, what's the problem? Can't make Samba work with anonymous access from WinXP? |
| 20:14.34 | reeher | scream: Can't use anon. |
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| 20:15.35 | scream_ | reeher, it seems that Debian Samba is patched somehow to prevent this, but I managed to get it working somehow. Wait a min, I'll post the config to pastebin :) |
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| 20:16.07 | reeher | scream_: I can't get XP to log into a samba share that is accessible from the smb server console. i.e. if I log in with my user id from the console, it allows the connect, but if I try to map a drive from XP, XP keeps asking me for teh password. |
| 20:16.38 | reeher | scream_: Beaut. Thanks much. |
| 20:17.15 | scream_ | reeher, http://pastebin.com/d4dabdf2e |
| 20:17.37 | scream_ | reeher, it's not within the best security practices ;) |
| 20:17.39 | adama_ | reeher: /var/lib/samba# pdbedit -L |
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| 20:18.05 | adama_ | reeher: use the pdbedit tool to create users |
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| 20:18.51 | adama_ | guest account = root <-- sounds like a terrible idea |
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| 20:19.43 | sk4 | ping |
| 20:19.49 | adama_ | !ping |
| 20:19.50 | dpkg | Yes, adama_, you are online. |
| 20:19.55 | sk4 | !ping |
| 20:20.05 | scream_ | adama_, yepp but it's my home NAS. I stopped there when got it working. Maybe he can change to some different user after he gets it to work with root. |
| 20:20.05 | adama_ | woohoo! my work is done. |
| 20:21.27 | gasull | How can I list the packages that the command apt-get build-dep emacs installed? |
| 20:22.09 | stew | gasull: you could look through /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:23.07 | Javi-K | Hi |
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| 20:23.51 | Javi-K | guys, I configured an intel 2200BG wifi card in my fresh lenny install but I can't turn on the card 'cause debian doesn't recognise the wifi button... does anyone know what to do??? Any help will be appreciated :) Thanks! |
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| 20:24.43 | bookmark | hi |
| 20:24.52 | gasull | stew: thanks |
| 20:25.08 | bookmark | is sid still around? |
| 20:25.32 | bookmark | does sid=unstable? |
| 20:25.45 | bookmark | or was it just one of the versions |
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| 20:26.02 | reeher | adama_: I have two users already, reeher and testor. |
| 20:26.07 | reeher | !sid |
| 20:26.07 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 20:26.22 | reeher | Sid will *always* be unstable. |
| 20:26.45 | wranix | weasel words, dpkg |
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| 20:27.00 | wranix | 'it has been said'? By whom? When? Where? |
| 20:27.08 | wranix | dpkg: [citation needed] |
| 20:27.08 | dpkg | wranix: i don't know |
| 20:28.30 | reeher | Ok, that's weird. pdbedit -L -v tells me that reeher has never logged onto Samba, but in fact I have the share mapped right now... |
| 20:28.47 | reeher | On the cosole, that is. |
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| 20:33.13 | kotau | I need to fart around with kernel headers (says ndiswrapper's install readme) What package name is the header info in? I remember it being (with ubuntu) something like linux-dev? |
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| 20:35.56 | deco | ubuntu is the bastard son of debian :-) |
| 20:36.12 | jelly | !ndiswrapper |
| 20:36.12 | dpkg | NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:37.35 | jelly | kotau: read the wiki page before proceeding further |
| 20:37.57 | kotau | ok thanks I was following http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/60535-wpc54gs-linksys-howto.html |
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| 20:41.59 | alleyoopster | good evening |
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| 20:42.37 | kotau | sup alley |
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| 20:43.37 | alleyoopster | why can I see ra0 and wlan0 with iwconfig - using rt2500pci module |
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| 20:44.49 | alleyoopster | should add i was using rt2500 module before with ra0, but it is still lingering |
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| 20:46.11 | lesouvage | The output of uname -r is 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 How can I install the source of the kernel? (need it to be able to install asterisk from source) Normal procedure doesn't seem to work. |
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| 20:46.32 | jelly | lesouvage: that is not a Debian kernel |
| 20:46.35 | ktlr | if i installed a php server at deb package where can i find the php.ini file ? |
| 20:46.49 | reeher | Ok, not to hop from one thing to another, but someone please tell me I'm not being compeltely paranoid because starting today ( or at least the first time noticed) everytime I sudo or su - the shell returns 'Error', the drive grids for 1/2 second and the command I'd issued is executed. There are no changes in any of the logs. Paranoid, right? I just mucked about with something that had unintended consequences, yeah? |
| 20:47.13 | reeher | Err.. that I /AM/ being paranoic, and to stop wondering. |
| 20:47.13 | keith4 | or your hard drive is dying |
| 20:47.20 | jelly | lesouvage: you'll have to either ask the folks who provided it, or use a distro kernel instead (or build a custom one instead) |
| 20:47.38 | reeher | keith4: Nah, brand new Seagate, less than a couple of months old. |
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| 20:47.53 | reeher | keith4: or at least highly unlikely. |
| 20:48.04 | lesouvage | jelly: thanks. I'm working remote on a server that supposed to ahve a standard basic Debian installation. That doesn't seem to be the case. |
| 20:48.29 | keith4 | "standard basic debian installation" doesn't imply anything about the kernel |
| 20:48.33 | jelly | reeher: are there any weird lines in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log? Are any of the filesystems mounted with a "sync" option? |
| 20:48.46 | keith4 | I have a VPS that's a 'standard debian installation' running on a redhat kernel (thanks, Xen) |
| 20:48.54 | jelly | reeher: is the machine freely available on the internets and prone to breakins? |
| 20:49.04 | reeher | ktlr: updatedb & locate php.ini |
| 20:50.14 | jelly | keith4: one wouldn't expect to run asterisk in a xen domu anyway |
| 20:50.24 | keith4 | true |
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| 20:51.28 | reeher | jelly: dmesg has a crapload of messages from Shorewall about DROPs from the firewall. The system is virtually unknown and behind a campus firewall, and all of my passwords are alphanumeric and non-trivial. The system is contantly up to date. |
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| 20:54.47 | reeher | Hmm.. if I wanted to watch and see what process was being accessed to write to disk, how would I do that? |
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| 20:54.57 | reeher | Sort of like a log for disk access. |
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| 20:57.46 | xand | reeher: perhaps lsof? |
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| 20:58.49 | `Abo | lo guys, how do I unrar a .rar archive on debian |
| 20:59.18 | gasull | `Abo: sudo aptitude install rar unrar |
| 20:59.23 | alleyoopster | `Abo: there is a program called unrar that should do that |
| 20:59.42 | adb | !rar |
| 20:59.42 | dpkg | well, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive file format ever. Roshal ARchive. Ask me about <unrar> and <unrar-free>. |
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| 21:00.02 | `Abo | I have unrar installed |
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| 21:00.14 | `Abo | but I have no clue and I dont understand how to use and extract it |
| 21:00.18 | gasull | `Abo: unrar x file_name |
| 21:00.34 | `Abo | k |
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| 21:00.35 | `Abo | ty |
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| 21:01.59 | gasull | `Abo: np |
| 21:02.02 | drurew | I am trying to install ebox on a vps, the server is running an old etch version , i need the current repositories (deb) for my sources.list, preferably just pointing me to a current ebox install how too would be really appriciated |
| 21:02.02 | lesouvage | jelly: is it a home brewed kernel (kernel 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64) ? |
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| 21:03.29 | infernixx | so is gtk 1 dropped? i upgraded my sid box but pygtk isn't there anymore, just for gtk 2 |
| 21:03.30 | drurew | !ebox |
| 21:04.41 | stew | infernixx: not completely yet, afaik, but i believe there is active work going on to remove the rest of gtk1 |
| 21:05.57 | lesouvage | How can I check if it is actually a Debian system installed on a remote server? |
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| 21:06.41 | dondelelcaro | lesouvage: if you have a shell it's trivial; check /etc/debian_version, lsb_release, etc. |
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| 21:10.26 | jelly | lesouvage: it's not; Debian doesn't name theirs like that |
| 21:10.41 | lesouvage | dondelelcaro: there isn't a /etc/debian_version so I assume that it isn't a debian system. |
| 21:11.01 | jelly | er, nevermind, you're asking about the rest of the system |
| 21:11.23 | gorp | lesouvage, see for an /etc/redhat-release file |
| 21:12.07 | infernixx | stew: k but pygtk seems gone though and no compat library or anything in oldlibs |
| 21:12.24 | infernixx | so i guess i'll have to bug some devs to code against gtk2 |
| 21:12.27 | stew | infernixx: excellent |
| 21:12.38 | tuv | what is a low-memory shell? |
| 21:12.49 | lesouvage | jelly: thanks anyway. |
| 21:13.04 | stew | tuv: dash? its not very featureful though |
| 21:13.25 | lesouvage | And thanks for the others helping me. I doens't seem to have a debian system like I expected :-( |
| 21:13.33 | gorp | a small footprint shell may be ? |
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| 21:16.54 | reeher | Just found a pretty cool little util. iotop like top for disk usage. spiffy |
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| 21:17.41 | dfighter | reeher: and there is iftop for bandwith :P |
| 21:17.54 | deco | :-O |
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| 21:18.12 | tuv | wasn't dash going to be the default debian shell? |
| 21:18.21 | deco | hope not |
| 21:18.29 | deco | the de facto is bash |
| 21:18.31 | tglasgow | Hi, I just installed Debian 5 with Debootstrap, and with sudo commands, I get 'unable to resolv host'. Where does this problem come from? |
| 21:19.02 | jelly | tuv: you can already change it. |
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| 21:21.10 | \amethyst | deco: for running /bin/sh scripts, not the default login shell |
| 21:22.19 | adama_ | !sudosmite tglasgow |
| 21:22.20 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to tglasgow and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
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| 21:22.46 | adama_ | reeher: did you get your samba figured out? |
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| 21:23.08 | tglasgow | Ok I see everybody is being funny... |
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| 21:23.20 | \amethyst | adama_: what was that about? |
| 21:23.21 | Sionide21 | Four drives on my machine are messed up. When I run fdisk I get "Unable to read ". It is four in a row (sdh,sdi,sdj,sdk) so I thought the card might have failed but the why do they show up at all. Are there tests I can do? |
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| 21:23.58 | adama_ | I have a thing against sudo |
| 21:24.31 | deco | adama_: yeah this is not ubuntu :P |
| 21:24.32 | \amethyst | so you run somebody off for asking for help with it? |
| 21:24.44 | \amethyst | In case you didn't notice, Debian has sudo too |
| 21:24.45 | deco | \amethyst: don't get all emo |
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| 21:25.47 | adama_ | whops I wasn't trying to run him off |
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| 21:27.17 | tuv | how do i access dash's command history? up/down keys don't seem to do it |
| 21:27.46 | \amethyst | tuv: command history? |
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| 21:27.54 | gorp | set -o emacs, or set -o vi ? |
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| 21:29.10 | Selveste1 | adama_: y ? sudo is a very power-full tool, with lots of restrictions possibility :P |
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| 21:29.38 | gasull | Is there any way to force apt-build to use icc? |
| 21:29.57 | gorp | gasull, export CC=icc ? |
| 21:29.57 | \amethyst | adama_: the idea is that you can manage access to the root account without having one single root password that has to be changed whenever someone retires |
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| 21:30.21 | \amethyst | adama_: ssh keys can do the same thing if you permit ssh as root with keys (as opposed to a password) |
| 21:30.24 | gasull | gorp: thanks |
| 21:31.28 | gorp | \amethyst, ssh will allow any commands .. sudo not |
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| 21:32.03 | adama_ | I guess I just don't like the way ubuntu uses it |
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| 21:32.33 | \amethyst | gorp: you can specify a forced command on a per-key basis in .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:32.51 | \amethyst | gorp: root can change that, sure, but root can also change /etc/sudoers |
| 21:33.36 | \amethyst | adama_: you mean the fact that you kind of have to use it because root doesn't have a password? |
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| 21:33.58 | adama_ | more like because it allows any user to do anything |
| 21:34.02 | \amethyst | err |
| 21:34.07 | gorp | Oh ? sorry i was not aware of this use of ssh \amethyst |
| 21:34.43 | gasull | gorp: There's no CC in my printenv. |
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| 21:34.48 | \amethyst | adama_: only users in the admin group |
| 21:35.08 | gasull | gorp: And I don't see in the source of /usr/bin/apt-build |
| 21:35.37 | \amethyst | adama_: so only the user you create at install time |
| 21:35.38 | Selveste1 | adama_: its up to the admins of the server to restrict access to sudo commands, but yes *buntu have by default full access if using sudo |
| 21:35.55 | \amethyst | adama_: it's just like the user you create at install time on, say, OS X or solaris |
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| 21:36.16 | adama_ | huh |
| 21:36.18 | gorp | gasull, normally gnu make use $(CC) to compile, so if you do an 'export CC=icc', that should use icc instead of gcc |
| 21:36.20 | adama_ | never used any of those |
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| 21:36.52 | \amethyst | adama_: the user you create at install time is an administrator, but subsequent users you create aren't unless you explicitly make them so |
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| 21:38.02 | ninjaai | hello...is there a help channel for dreamlinux ? |
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| 21:38.33 | gorp | what is dreamlinux ? a new kind of beer ? |
| 21:39.01 | ninjaai | lol |
| 21:39.08 | dfighter | haha |
| 21:39.10 | ninjaai | its a debian based OS |
| 21:39.10 | Selveste1 | ninjaai: is it for DreamBox ? |
| 21:39.20 | ninjaai | lol nope |
| 21:39.23 | adama_ | can I install it on my dreamcast? |
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| 21:39.35 | dfighter | bash.orged |
| 21:39.39 | ninjaai | http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/ |
| 21:39.59 | jelly | !dreamlinux |
| 21:39.59 | dpkg | hmm... dreamlinux is a Brazilian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/forum.html. #dreamlinux @ irc.freenode.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 21:40.27 | eldowan | ninjaai: : /j #dreamlinux |
| 21:40.30 | dfighter | that answered it |
| 21:40.51 | ninjaai | i am getting error in my monitor when trying to boot xfce |
| 21:40.58 | ninjaai | out of range |
| 21:41.05 | ninjaai | eldowan no one is there in that channel |
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| 21:41.33 | deco | ninjaai: don't use distro that's not really supported |
| 21:41.45 | jelly | !based on debian |
| 21:41.45 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 21:42.16 | ninjaai | aha ok ok |
| 21:42.18 | deco | basically go to #linux than |
| 21:42.20 | gasull | gorp: thanks a lot |
| 21:42.32 | ninjaai | yeah right better to use something standard |
| 21:42.38 | jelly | ninjaai: basically, we cannot know about any changes that have been done on Other Distro, and the help offered here makes assumptions that may not be valid |
| 21:42.45 | deco | ninjaai: like debian :P |
| 21:43.06 | ninjaai | lol yeah |
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| 21:48.07 | sllide | how do i show a file tree of hidden files in debian? |
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| 21:48.10 | sllide | ls -a -? |
| 21:48.15 | sllide | ? = letter ;p |
| 21:48.21 | deco | sllide: ls -a |
| 21:48.29 | sllide | i know |
| 21:48.34 | sllide | but a tree |
| 21:48.37 | deco | sllide: tree |
| 21:48.50 | sllide | tree with the hidden files in them? |
| 21:49.04 | tuv | hmm.. dash doesn't seem to have command history! |
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| 21:50.08 | Selveste1 | Y is OOo 3.1 not in debian repos instead of 2.4 ? 3.x has bin out for like 2 years so y not in lenny repos? |
| 21:50.50 | adb | Selveste1: backports has it |
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| 21:51.45 | iluminator101 | adb i had trouble installing 3.1 from backports any pointers |
| 21:51.52 | adb | maybe not 3.1, but 3.0 for sure |
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| 21:52.12 | iluminator101 | adb 3.1 is in backports |
| 21:52.27 | adb | !tell iluminator101 about backport |
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| 21:52.38 | Selveste1 | adb: Yes I know; have installed it from OOo's webpage :P don't really like backports in my source.list :P |
| 21:52.55 | ninjaai | which one is better to download if i have a 4GB flash disk ? |
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| 21:53.36 | adb | iluminator101: i see here only 3.0.1 as oo.o |
| 21:54.29 | iluminator101 | adb 3.0.1 thats what i meant i stand corrected |
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| 21:54.55 | madAdam | Hello, I can't write to /var/www/ please help me. :) |
| 21:55.04 | ninjaai | i have amd64 is it better to download the image for amd64 or normal i386 image ? is there different in speed !? |
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| 21:55.51 | gorp | ninjaai, it depends of your amount of ram |
| 21:55.52 | Selveste1 | ninjaai: That depends on the programs and there coding |
| 21:55.55 | iluminator101 | i have two minor issues debian does not log into graphical mode i get this error saying "/usr/share/fonts/x11/misc refcount is 2 should be 1 fixing |
| 21:56.04 | adb | ninjaai: i prefer i386 for desktop |
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| 21:56.19 | adb | speed ? any |
| 21:56.56 | iluminator101 | second error i get is "xauth: /home/username/.xauthority not writable changes will be ignored" |
| 21:56.57 | gorp | with enough ram, 64 have real gains in pure computing |
| 21:57.33 | gorp | for desktop use, there is no gain at all |
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| 21:58.24 | gunavara | hi, can anyone give me a good tutorial for setting rsync and cron i want to schedule backup of fileserver to another server ? |
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| 21:58.34 | adb | Selveste1: so we like shining ? better come with helps as patches .. |
| 21:59.03 | gorp | gunavara, man 5 crontab |
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| 21:59.41 | gunavara | gorp, i want a full howto to setup everything |
| 21:59.44 | gorp | for rsync it's depend about your needs, using with ssh or not ? |
| 21:59.44 | shivraj | how can I lower the cpu speed on my thinkpad t60 |
| 21:59.47 | Selveste1 | adb ? helps ? what have i missed ? |
| 21:59.49 | madAdam | Hello, I can't write to /var/www/ please help me. :) |
| 21:59.53 | shivraj | isnt there some kind of cpu speed stepping |
| 22:00.03 | gunavara | yes, ssh |
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| 22:00.11 | dkr | !cpufreq |
| 22:00.11 | dpkg | somebody said cpufreq was a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 22:00.37 | gorp | gunavara, use windows if you do not want to have a read on manpages |
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| 22:00.54 | gunavara | thanks for your help ^^ |
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| 22:01.13 | aboyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.23 | dkr | gunavara: use rdiff-backup, better than rsync |
| 22:01.24 | gorp | for rsync, the very basic usage is : rsync -av source_dir hostname:destination_dir |
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| 22:01.45 | gunavara | dkr, thanks i'll check it out :) |
| 22:02.21 | sllide | how can i remove a folder with lots of folders in it with hidden files? :/ |
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| 22:02.43 | gorp | sllide, rm -rf ? |
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| 22:03.21 | dkr | gorp: heh, that would remove the current dir :) |
| 22:03.22 | sllide | yay |
| 22:03.25 | sllide | tnx gorp |
| 22:03.33 | adb | Selveste1: community , Debian is a voluntaries community , so any help is welcome |
| 22:03.43 | gorp | sllide, rm -rf the_dir_to destroy |
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| 22:03.55 | dkr | ? matches a single char, and . is current dir |
| 22:04.02 | sllide | yeah figured that out xD |
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| 22:04.49 | sllide | and also |
| 22:04.52 | tlyu | it's amusing to rm -rf a directory you're chdir'ed into. |
| 22:04.56 | sllide | my SD card seems blocked |
| 22:04.57 | Selveste1 | adb - is this about OOo ? sorry - but Im not a developer, just user :S but if there is any q about how to install I will be glad to help - I know its a voluntaries community |
| 22:05.10 | sllide | i did nothing to it |
| 22:05.18 | sllide | yesterday it was writeable |
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| 22:05.50 | pickcoder | slide: do you unmount it before you yank it? |
| 22:06.03 | sllide | nope xD |
| 22:06.08 | sllide | i keep forgetting it |
| 22:06.08 | sllide | :p |
| 22:06.22 | sllide | but it still was writeable after 6 times or something |
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| 22:06.30 | gorp | sllide, fdisk and mkdosfs so |
| 22:06.42 | pickcoder | slide: then you are lucky |
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| 22:06.51 | sllide | hu? |
| 22:06.53 | sllide | btw |
| 22:06.56 | sllide | its only happening in debian |
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| 22:07.13 | sllide | linux mint and windows are able to write on it |
| 22:07.22 | pickcoder | you don't yank media that's mounted in any O/S |
| 22:07.48 | pickcoder | time to head home |
| 22:08.20 | Javi-K | could anyone lend me a hand ??? I have an intel 2200BG wifi card which gets to scan wifi networks but I can't connect to them... Any help will be appreciate! Thanks |
| 22:08.23 | adb | Selveste1: shining is a wrong attitude against a voluntaries community .. |
| 22:09.01 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.04 | Selveste1 | adb - Yes i know, but at the moment support is the only thing I can offer - sorry |
| 22:10.29 | gorp | more beer |
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| 22:20.22 | bookmark | hi |
| 22:20.30 | bookmark | is nfs in the generic kernel? |
| 22:21.04 | Selveste1 | adb: I have maked this little guide http://www.semarkit.dk/wiki/index.php5/Install_OpenOffice.org_3.1 there is a lot mere about debian, and what I have don with it, but most of it is on Danish |
| 22:21.07 | cmyers | I believe nfs is built as a kernel module in the default debian kernel, yes |
| 22:21.27 | bookmark | so how would one use it? |
| 22:22.05 | Selveste1 | bookmark: you have to install the package ntfs-3g if you will have write access on your NTFS drives |
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| 22:22.15 | cmyers | cat /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.symbols | grep nfs |
| 22:22.25 | Selveste1 | oh. sorry NFS :P |
| 22:22.26 | bookmark | nfs mon capitan not ntfs |
| 22:22.26 | themill | !uuoc cmyers |
| 22:22.26 | dpkg | hands cmyers the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
| 22:22.27 | lindenle | Does anyone know how to enable pcie hotpluging in linux? |
| 22:22.55 | cmyers | if that comes up wtih symbols for nfs, you can be fairly confident it does have it |
| 22:22.58 | Selveste1 | bookmark: is it an NFS server ore client your after ? |
| 22:23.07 | cmyers | if it is installed correctly, then /etc/init.d/nfs-common start |
| 22:23.17 | cmyers | loves his cat. |
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| 22:24.50 | cmyers | if you don't use cat, then the part of the command you want to edit (the regex) for multiple runs will be in the middle of the command. I use grep <regex> <file> when I want to run multiple greps on different files, I use the cat version when I want to try multiple regexes =) |
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| 22:25.46 | bookmark | if i use resize2fs and shrink a file system, how can i shrink the partition associated with it? |
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| 22:26.13 | tlyu | cmyers: "< file grep regexp" |
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| 22:26.59 | dondelelcaro | bookmark: with fdisk or cfdisk or parted or similar |
| 22:27.00 | tuv | why would ion3 recommend devscripts? |
| 22:28.01 | iluminator101 | quick question whats the name of program that opens packages in ubuntu something like garchive or something |
| 22:28.03 | bookmark | but if i do that then won't the toc be overwritten? |
| 22:28.08 | bookmark | i guess not if i don't format |
| 22:28.22 | dondelelcaro | bookmark: all fdisk or cfdisk do is adjust partition tables |
| 22:28.35 | bookmark | oki doki |
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| 22:29.15 | workPragmatist | Hey guys would you recommend installing the ffmpeg from etch or not even bothering... i want to encode x264/aac stuff |
| 22:29.32 | workPragmatist | I can build it from svn... upgrade to lenny... or install etch |
| 22:29.35 | workPragmatist | it from* |
| 22:29.51 | bookmark | yeah but if i delete a partition then.... isn't that going to delete everything on it perminantly? |
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| 22:30.34 | bookmark | i guess you live and learn anyway here goes |
| 22:31.16 | shivraj | how do I limit the max speed with cpudyn |
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| 22:31.21 | Selveste1 | workPragmatist: You cant play x264 without ffmpeg - so don't think you can encode without it |
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| 22:32.57 | workPragmatist | Selveste1: the question is a matter of which "version" of ffmpeg |
| 22:33.18 | workPragmatist | not whether i need it |
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| 22:33.26 | linuxguy2009 | Hello everyone, if I have a thumbdrive of Debian update packages and then later add newer ones to it, and then later if I have a fresh Debian installation and run "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" will dpkg ignore all the old update packages there and just install the newer ones? |
| 22:33.46 | UKPbz___ | Hi All, Can anyone help me determine what type of memory modules I have in my machine? I am running Lenny but dmidecode -t 17 doesn't work |
| 22:34.14 | dondelelcaro | bookmark: uh... you don't delete the partition, you resize it. |
| 22:34.22 | Selveste1 | workPragmatist: If you have an etch box, then just install ffmpeg for etch with apt |
| 22:34.49 | dondelelcaro | tuv: I'm actually not sure... but devscripts has enough useful things in it, that you probably want it anyway |
| 22:35.03 | eldowan | Selveste1: totem plays x264 and depends on gstreamer. you *need* ffmpeg? |
| 22:35.04 | dondelelcaro | tuv: also, I'd suggest considering awesome instead of ion3 |
| 22:35.05 | krang | So I'm on a lenny system, and aptitude tells me that the grub-common package is grub2, but grub --version tells me version 0.97. What's the deal with that? |
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| 22:36.30 | dondelelcaro | krang: it's part of the grub2 source package |
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| 22:37.24 | UKPbz___ | Can anyone help? Its bugging me |
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| 22:38.07 | krang | dondelelcaro: I don't have that package installed, but I'm not sure that I understand *what* is part of the grub2-source package. Could you elaborate? |
| 22:38.08 | dondelelcaro | krang: grub-common only supplies a few things, and the grub2 package has updated versions of those things |
| 22:38.28 | dondelelcaro | krang: the grub2 binary package is what actually has grub2 |
| 22:38.36 | dondelelcaro | (well, now it's grub-ieee1275) |
| 22:39.10 | krang | dondelelcaro: I heard grub2 has some nasty drawbacks, including no password protection. Anything else I should know about it? |
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| 22:41.53 | UKPbz___ | anyone know why dmidecode -t 17 doesn't work in lenny? |
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| 22:44.30 | dondelelcaro | krang: it's still in development AFAIK; I wouldn't use it unless you had a specific need for it |
| 22:45.45 | krang | dondelelcaro: I need my OS to set a flag on succesful boot and service loading, and if that flag isn't set, to boot from a different partition. Do you think I'd be safer using a customised initrd instead? |
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| 22:47.26 | dondelelcaro | krang: I'd strongly consider doing that, yes. |
| 22:47.39 | dondelelcaro | krang: it's certainly the way to do things if you need to do something odd. |
| 22:48.43 | dondelelcaro | krang: I think there's a way to insert a custom script into the generated initrds for most of the initrd generation schemes, but I honestly haven't totally checked them out. |
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| 22:48.53 | krang | dondelelcaro: Well, I appreciate the advice. I just noticed that grub2 had some interesting environment variables and logic capabilities. I really only need to set and check one flag, and it seemed like less hassle than creating a whole seperate partition to store it on. |
| 22:49.04 | bookmark | how do make a command run in the background? |
| 22:49.19 | krang | bookmark <command> & |
| 22:49.26 | dondelelcaro | bookmark: ( foo cmd >/dev/null 2>&1 & ) |
| 22:49.51 | krang | blimey dondelelcaro, you're neat! |
| 22:50.46 | tuv | when i start awesome (wm) on a vnc session, all text is unreadable, as if it is using a very small font size. how do i fix this? |
| 22:50.52 | dondelelcaro | actually has a shell snipped called faf that does that: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/faf |
| 22:51.02 | krang | dondelelcaro: Whatever you don't know about initrd generation is far smaller than my own lack of knowledge in the same area. So far, I know where the file lives and that it's job is to load the root filesystem. That's about it :) |
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| 22:52.06 | ajavid | !adsfhello guys |
| 22:52.10 | ajavid | oops |
| 22:52.28 | ajavid | how much trouble do you think it will/could be trying to get xorg 7.4 in lenny? |
| 22:52.56 | ajavid | as backported and not from say upstream |
| 22:53.01 | purplepenguins | is it in squeeze? |
| 22:53.05 | ajavid | no, sid only |
| 22:53.09 | jelly-home | ajavid: why? |
| 22:53.09 | purplepenguins | oh |
| 22:53.18 | ajavid | jelly-home, I would like free 3d |
| 22:53.28 | ajavid | jelly-home, otherwise I'd have to use non-free 3d |
| 22:53.35 | jelly-home | on a production machine? |
| 22:53.35 | ajavid | jelly-home, radeon vs fglrx |
| 22:53.40 | ajavid | jelly-home, its a desktop |
| 22:53.49 | jelly-home | so go squeeze |
| 22:54.11 | ajavid | well its also going to be a personal dev server, opened only when previewing projects to clients |
| 22:54.12 | jelly-home | then you can pick xorg from sid and/or experimental at will |
| 22:54.16 | ajavid | I wanted it to be stable |
| 22:54.32 | jelly-home | ajavid: you're developing 3d apps? |
| 22:54.40 | ajavid | not all the time |
| 22:54.47 | ajavid | but no, currently only web apps |
| 22:54.56 | jelly-home | then forget 3d. |
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| 22:55.11 | ajavid | well, I like an occasional game of open arena |
| 22:55.24 | jelly-home | not on a work machine you don't |
| 22:55.34 | jelly-home | dual boot testing |
| 22:55.47 | ajavid | argh. |
| 22:55.47 | jelly-home | or do work in a vm |
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| 22:56.10 | ajavid | i have nightly backups and db replications offsite |
| 22:56.16 | ajavid | for all important client work |
| 22:56.17 | jelly-home | irrelevant |
| 22:56.26 | ajavid | I ahve 1.0 tb that mirrors all my 1tb /home |
| 22:56.56 | ajavid | I wanted stable, with 2.6.29+ kernel for ext4, kde3 desktop, and xorg 7.4 |
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| 22:57.05 | ajavid | is this too much to want? |
| 22:57.19 | \amethyst | ajavid: so you want the software to not change, but you want it to be up-to-date ? |
| 22:57.19 | jelly-home | you have conflicting goals for that machine, you're either going to compromise some of those, or split the machine somehow |
| 22:57.46 | enouf | krang: the initrd/initramfs actually is a fake-root-fs, that allows modules to be loaded into ram, and those then can mount the real-root-fs. The kernel /Documentation/ has atleast decent docs about all that |
| 22:57.46 | ajavid | \amethyst, only some bits, in fact, only the kernel is needed for my ext4 volumes, xorg i can do without |
| 22:57.55 | jelly-home | ideally, have one machine for work and one for toying with X and stuff |
| 22:57.59 | ajavid | jelly-home, yes, I've been torn between that myself |
| 22:58.24 | krang | enouf: Ooh, thanks for the documentation pointer, I'll need to read that! |
| 22:58.38 | ajavid | I do have a work machine, 1gb ram, 1.8ghz p4, used to be my web server, but then I moved my stuff to this desktop I just built with 8gb ram etc. suped up |
| 22:58.51 | enouf | krang: see /Documentation/*.txt and /filesystems/root-<something-or-other>.txt |
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| 22:59.50 | jelly-home | ajavid: fwiw, 3d (on my onboard RS485 chip) with video-radeon is much, much slower than fglrx |
| 23:00.03 | enouf | krang: that said, grub.enbug.org and even gentoo-wiki and #grub for grub2 info |
| 23:00.09 | ajavid | jelly-home, oh yes, I fully agree, here too, but at least its free |
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| 23:00.17 | grim | is there any way i can tell dpkg/apt to add a provides for a package that doesn't list a virtual package that it does provide? |
| 23:00.31 | jelly-home | it doesn't crash X that much... or at all, really |
| 23:00.35 | enouf | krang: naturally - /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> as well |
| 23:00.43 | krang | enouf: Thanks man, info is hugely appreciated |
| 23:00.53 | ajavid | its just so hard to move from kde3 |
| 23:00.53 | enouf | de nada ;-) |
| 23:01.11 | ajavid | I figured, stable is under support for another 2 years or at elast 1.5 years |
| 23:01.26 | ajavid | then antoehr year on top of it to do oldstable support |
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| 23:01.38 | ajavid | kde3 i dont hav eto abandon for another 2 years |
| 23:01.39 | ajavid | so im good for 2 more years :D |
| 23:02.26 | krang | enouf: I'm not sure where those kernel docs are though, where were you referring to when you said /Documentation/ exactly? |
| 23:02.26 | ajavid | by then im guessing kde4 won't be as bad |
| 23:02.32 | ajavid | so its a good cycle i think |
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| 23:03.07 | deco | how long will kde3 be supported in debian? |
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| 23:03.18 | ajavid | at first i was angry that debian has no more kde3 in testing/sid, but then i thought about it |
| 23:03.26 | ajavid | and said, unlike other distros, debian is my only real friend |
| 23:03.34 | ajavid | giving me kde3 for another 2+ years |
| 23:03.38 | ajavid | and supporting iti |
| 23:03.39 | iluminator101 | is there repo of OOo 3.1 for debian |
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| 23:04.05 | ajavid | deco, 1 year after squeeze is released |
| 23:04.23 | deco | ajavid: how long till sqeeze is released ? |
| 23:04.31 | ajavid | deco, because when squeeze is stable, lenny will be oldstable, and oldstable is supported 1 year after new stable |
| 23:04.46 | ajavid | deco, no one knows, my guess, maybe 1 year, maybe 1.5 or 2 years |
| 23:04.48 | ajavid | no telling |
| 23:04.59 | deco | ajavid: so maybe like 3 years.... |
| 23:05.06 | ajavid | total? sure, maybe |
| 23:05.11 | enouf | krang: one moment |
| 23:05.11 | deco | yeah |
| 23:05.23 | deco | ajavid: you think it's good to still use kde3? |
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| 23:05.50 | ajavid | it works perfectly, not many bugs, stable, mature, very configurable, for years I haven't been able to get used to anything else |
| 23:05.57 | ajavid | xfce4 comes a very close fucking second. |
| 23:06.11 | deco | ajavid: you like gnome? |
| 23:06.17 | ajavid | not 1 bit. |
| 23:06.33 | ajavid | i like box wms |
| 23:06.43 | deco | ajavid: i like awesome wm :P |
| 23:06.45 | ajavid | flux being my favorite (cuz of tabs mostly) |
| 23:07.20 | deco | ajavid: do you think after kde3 is dead kde4 will be as good ? |
| 23:07.29 | bookmark | does anyone know how to format /etc/export? im using an old tutorial |
| 23:07.33 | enouf | krang: 1) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/initrd.txt 2) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt 3) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/early-userspace/README |
| 23:07.37 | ajavid | I can't predict the future, but logically, it has to |
| 23:07.56 | ajavid | deco, after lenny my guess is I'll move over to xfce or a box wm |
| 23:07.57 | enouf | krang: or, if you installed source, you have that all locally already |
| 23:08.08 | bookmark | i have: /mnt 192.186.1.103(rw) |
| 23:08.11 | ajavid | I'm really not down with the kde4 |
| 23:08.20 | krang | enouf: Ah, I thought you might have meant that, and was in the process of doing it :), thanks hugely! |
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| 23:09.05 | deco | ajavid: yeah i tried 4.2 with fedora was ok............ still lacks on speed ... |
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| 23:09.34 | ajavid | deco, it truely goes back to its roots, that is, 'bloat' |
| 23:09.48 | deco | ajavid: haha agree |
| 23:09.51 | ajavid | kde3 imporved remove lots of bloated code, cleaned up, got really good |
| 23:10.11 | ajavid | kde4 will also take time, at least 5 years of active development to actually get soemthing decent out |
| 23:10.13 | deco | ajavid: why don't you like gnome? |
| 23:10.14 | ajavid | imo anyway |
| 23:10.29 | ajavid | deco, oh, so many reasons |
| 23:10.34 | ajavid | brb |
| 23:11.01 | deco | k |
| 23:11.09 | pandator | hello. I can't write to the fat32 or ntfs drives that ı mount under debian lenny. I specify <-t ntfs(or vfat) -w> but that doesn't help. what am ı doing wrong? |
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| 23:11.39 | purplepenguins | pandator: check the permissions pandator |
| 23:11.48 | purplepenguins | pandator: also, what error message did you get? |
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| 23:11.58 | snitko | any ideas what it could be... Got three machines. 1 - local, 2,3 - vps. on machine 3 I have a page where only text is rendered into the response body ( Rails render :text => 'hello'). wget on 1 for 3 gets the body and status 200. wget on 2 for 3 gets empty body and status 200. wtf? |
| 23:11.58 | pandator | I do this after a su to root |
| 23:12.26 | pandator | I don't get an error message, the delete option for example is ghosted in the gui |
| 23:12.30 | purplepenguins | even root can't write sometimes |
| 23:12.37 | purplepenguins | check the permissions using ls -l |
| 23:12.41 | pandator | OK |
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| 23:13.58 | bookmark | in /etc/exports, i put: /mnt 192.168.1.103 but i get message: neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export" specified on "192.168.1.103:/mnt" and then when i mount it, it is also not rw. |
| 23:14.17 | bookmark | /mnt 192.168.1.103(rw) rather |
| 23:14.29 | pandator | the permissions are drwxr-xr-x. does that exclude root? |
| 23:14.55 | bookmark | ah nevermind |
| 23:14.56 | bookmark | i got it |
| 23:15.01 | purplepenguins | no, you should be able to write then |
| 23:15.19 | bookmark | its was the permissions on the directory of the mount, not the export |
| 23:15.25 | bookmark | groovy! |
| 23:15.27 | \amethyst | pandator: what about the permissions on the directory? and does mount list it as being mounted ro ? |
| 23:15.39 | `brandon` | how do i unzip a file? |
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| 23:16.14 | purplepenguins | pandator said he used -w |
| 23:16.20 | krang | `brandon`: Use gunzip |
| 23:16.21 | pandator | hmm I'll try to do it via the console |
| 23:16.22 | bookmark | how do i make a dd or loop file of a partition, whatever |
| 23:16.32 | purplepenguins | but it's worth checking to make sure you mounted it read-write |
| 23:16.41 | bookmark | oh nevemrind |
| 23:16.58 | tglasgow | Hi, my terminal / console / bash / I don't know what is not wrapping lines when they are too long. Where does the problem come from? Thanks in advance :) |
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| 23:17.25 | pandator | the console did it! I think the gui file browser's permissions weren't sufficient? |
| 23:17.30 | Superbartt | Hey guys, I'm having a problem on one of my webservers (apache2). It's being flooded with bogus requests (there are about 17000 TIME_WAIT items showed in netstat -an) and it hogs up apache so real users can't view the site... What would be the recommended way to fight this |
| 23:17.46 | \amethyst | pandator: you probably did it as root on the command line |
| 23:17.55 | \amethyst | pandator: but I doubt the gui browser is running as root |
| 23:17.58 | pandator | yes I did |
| 23:18.01 | pandator | ah |
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| 23:18.15 | purplepenguins | pandator: mount the filesystem with user permissions |
| 23:18.39 | kr1s | Did somebody know a good how to for installing 2 wikis on a debian server |
| 23:18.40 | pandator | OK |
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| 23:19.07 | pandator | Ok I have to go now and delete some virii, thank you both |
| 23:19.24 | \amethyst | pandator: if you want your normal user to be able to read/write, mount with uid=1000 |
| 23:19.30 | tuv | dondelelcaro: awesome crashes here (debian testing): *** glibc detected *** awesome: double free or corruption |
| 23:19.44 | \amethyst | palt_: or whatever your user id is ( id -u will tell you) |
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| 23:21.48 | tuv | awesome is a stupid program name. extermely hard to search for related issues |
| 23:22.05 | tuv | ugly names have their advantage! |
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| 23:25.04 | ajavid | back |
| 23:25.18 | ajavid | sorry had to go water my vegetable garden before it got too dark |
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| 23:25.37 | deco | ajavid: hehe |
| 23:25.45 | GhostlyDeath | Hello, I setup OpenVZ and a bunch of virtual systems, I bridged the VEs to the network with brctl. However, the VEs themselves don't get a DHCP ip address assigned to them but the router registers them. It appears the bridge is only letting traffic out and not in, is there anyway to fix this? |
| 23:25.50 | ajavid | deco, I remember i used to used gnome a long time ago, 5-6 years ago, it was ok, 2.08 |
| 23:26.10 | ajavid | deco, now, its been stripped clean of options, its hardly configurable, gconf is like the windows registry or worse |
| 23:26.19 | ajavid | deco, gnome these days is a headache and I don't like hedaches |
| 23:26.39 | deco | ajavid: ah yes the gconf looked awfully familiar :P |
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| 23:28.13 | ajavid | kr1s, is the php application you want packaged in debian? |
| 23:28.30 | ajavid | kr1s, if not, it doesn't matter, its like setting it up on any server |
| 23:28.54 | ajavid | kr1s, install LAMP stack, configure it (lots of tutorials online) |
| 23:29.05 | ajavid | kr1s, lastly, follow installations instructions for your wiki app |
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| 23:35.33 | deco | ajavid: what i really like from kde4 is the dolpine file manager :P |
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| 23:37.36 | ajavid | I hate it |
| 23:37.38 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:37.48 | ajavid | I'm down with the konqueror as a universal filesystem browser |
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| 23:37.58 | ajavid | konqueror > *, my gods dick is bigger ! ;) j/k |
| 23:38.53 | blubaustin | hi |
| 23:39.17 | blubaustin | I was wondering if there was a good MP3 CLi player. I tried vlc but it won't work for me in Cli |
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| 23:40.37 | nkuttler | blubaustin: mpg123 or cplay |
| 23:40.45 | blubaustin | thnx. |
| 23:40.56 | deco | blubaustin: mplayer |
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| 23:42.24 | ajavid | what about mpg321 |
| 23:42.32 | ajavid | alsaplayer does it maybe |
| 23:42.38 | blubaustin | well I'm gonna try cplay. |
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| 23:42.46 | blubaustin | I thought vlc could do it in Cli |
| 23:43.24 | nkuttler | in my experience mpg321 uses more cpu than mpg123 |
| 23:43.48 | blubaustin | so vlc can't do it in Cli? |
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| 23:44.37 | `Abo | I am trying to install unrar on another machine, even after I did apt-get update it doesnt install |
| 23:44.45 | deco | blubaustin: mplayer is like vlc in cli but better |
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| 23:45.11 | blubaustin | enable non-free |
| 23:45.26 | blubaustin | dang. |
| 23:45.32 | blubaustin | in sources.list |
| 23:45.35 | blubaustin | or lst I forget |
| 23:46.03 | `Abo | how |
| 23:46.15 | blubaustin | nano |
| 23:46.18 | blubaustin | or gedit |
| 23:46.21 | blubaustin | command line type |
| 23:46.28 | `Abo | I'm in the file but how do I enable it |
| 23:46.32 | blubaustin | oh |
| 23:46.38 | blubaustin | add after main |
| 23:46.41 | blubaustin | non-free |
| 23:46.52 | blubaustin | and install the non-free version of unrar. |
| 23:47.01 | blubaustin | but before |
| 23:47.02 | themill | !enter |
| 23:47.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 23:47.11 | blubaustin | make sure to run apt-get update |
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| 23:47.28 | deco | themill: lol |
| 23:47.54 | blubaustin | XD |
| 23:48.04 | blubaustin | bad habbit with the enter key, can't really break it |
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| 23:50.09 | blubaustin | how to adjust the sound |
| 23:50.11 | blubaustin | in cplay |
| 23:50.13 | blubaustin | >_< |
| 23:50.26 | blubaustin | *plugs ears* |
| 23:50.55 | enouf | cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp O_o |
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| 23:51.14 | enouf | do not do that ... or if you have, CTRL-C out of it |
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| 23:51.29 | blubaustin | just ctrl-c out of it |
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| 23:51.48 | blubaustin | ok what is like the hot keys for volume |
| 23:51.50 | enouf | blown speakers aren't fixed with a C-c |
| 23:52.16 | enouf | maybe we can interest you in some documentation? |
| 23:52.25 | blubaustin | maybe.. I'll try the man pages. |
| 23:52.28 | blubaustin | *reads* |
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| 23:55.39 | blubaustin | what was that Cli mixer...auxmixer or something..? |
| 23:55.54 | nkuttler | blubaustin: 'h' for help |
| 23:55.55 | apetc | alsamixer perhaps |
| 23:55.58 | enouf | alsamixer is an ncurses one |
| 23:56.05 | blubaustin | I did do h for help. |
| 23:56.06 | nkuttler | aumix |
| 23:56.11 | blubaustin | thnx. |
| 23:56.17 | blubaustin | There was nothing in there about volume. |
| 23:56.21 | blubaustin | on cplay. |
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| 23:56.35 | enouf | tried /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> ? |
| 23:56.36 | nkuttler | 1..9, +, - : volume control |
| 23:56.57 | blubaustin | ah. |
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| 23:57.02 | blubaustin | dang vicodin. |
| 23:57.09 | blubaustin | lol XD |
| 23:57.16 | enouf | heh .. mplayer uses 9 and 0 and * and / depending on media format |