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| 00:01.18 | deco | blubaustin: man mplayer , man cplay |
| 00:01.42 | deco | blubaustin: you'll get a lot of answeres there |
| 00:01.47 | blubaustin | I just did the #s and + and - but man mplayer just says to press |
| 00:01.47 | blubaustin | h |
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| 00:02.29 | deco | blubaustin: stop acting like a baby and carefully read the man pages |
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| 00:02.55 | blubaustin | I'm 18 for one, two I'm on vicodin, 3 I don't use the Cli much. |
| 00:03.02 | Guy^X | One, two, 3? |
| 00:03.16 | blubaustin | listing things off. |
| 00:03.32 | blubaustin | 4, thats a real good way to keep people on debian XD |
| 00:03.36 | Guy^X | I meant, why switch between numbers in the form of words, to literal number characters? |
| 00:03.47 | Polarina | Unu, du, tri, kvar, kvin, ses, sep, ok, naÅ, dek. |
| 00:03.51 | deco | blubaustin: don't get all emo |
| 00:03.54 | blubaustin | Itch nei san chi |
| 00:04.02 | blubaustin | Uno dose tres? |
| 00:04.15 | ajavid | who does number 2 work for? |
| 00:04.34 | amphi | you are number 6! |
| 00:04.34 | blubaustin | huh? |
| 00:04.53 | ajavid | unos dos tres inditos, quatro cinco sies inditos, siete ocho nueve inditos, dos inditos san! |
| 00:04.58 | ajavid | burning kde3 cd 1 |
| 00:05.05 | ajavid | amphi, my main man |
| 00:05.06 | ajavid | whats up |
| 00:05.39 | deco | ajavid: ive heard that what move was that from? |
| 00:05.40 | amphi | ajavid: not too shabby - somewhat over-eaten & over-drunk |
| 00:05.43 | deco | movie* |
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| 00:05.52 | ajavid | deco, its a little song |
| 00:05.58 | ajavid | deco, 10 little indians in spanish ;) |
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| 00:06.05 | deco | ajavid: i know i speak it |
| 00:06.13 | ajavid | oh hehe |
| 00:06.28 | deco | ajavid: but i heard it in a movie |
| 00:06.34 | ajavid | no idea |
| 00:06.46 | deco | ajavid: oh i remember |
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| 00:06.55 | deco | ajavid: it was a jacky chan movie lol |
| 00:07.58 | ajavid | the only one with him and indians... Shaghai Noon? |
| 00:08.08 | ajavid | or Shanghai Knights? |
| 00:08.22 | ajavid | that I remember anyway. Anyway deco come to #debian-chat |
| 00:08.27 | ajavid | this could be offtopic |
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| 00:08.51 | deco | ajavid: i was already there |
| 00:09.41 | ajavid | deco, no you're not |
| 00:09.51 | ajavid | were |
| 00:09.54 | ajavid | i dunno |
| 00:10.06 | deco | ajavid: oh waite i had it closed |
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| 00:10.14 | ajavid | deco, you like a papa roach |
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| 00:11.49 | mischief | how can i use apt-mirror to mirror a repo that is not the native platform? |
| 00:13.09 | adb | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free |
| 00:14.13 | adb | deb http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/pub/miboot/ ./ |
| 00:14.14 | deco | adb: is it better than the free ? |
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| 00:14.37 | adb | deco: i dunno |
| 00:15.19 | adb | at list is ot here |
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| 00:21.42 | tuv | guess what a search for 'awesome crash' returns! |
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| 00:23.37 | adama_ | no |
| 00:24.34 | deco_ | from what site can i download packages? im on my windows pc |
| 00:25.16 | deco_ | i need to download b43-fwcutter on my windows to than transfer it to my debian system |
| 00:25.19 | tuv | youtube: corvette chase with awesome crash at 160mph ! |
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| 00:26.26 | rudi_s | deco_: packages.debian.org |
| 00:26.51 | deco_ | rudi_s: thanks :-) |
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| 00:27.11 | UKPbz___ | Hi All, Can anyone help me determine what type of memory modules I have in my machine? I am running Lenny but dmidecode -t 17 doesn't work |
| 00:27.21 | rudi_s | np |
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| 00:33.15 | UKPbz___ | Anyone any ideas? |
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| 00:41.20 | sigmonsays | Hi! |
| 00:41.28 | rudi_s | Hi. |
| 00:41.37 | sigmonsays | I need a bash faq help page I think. I can't get my bash prompt to work |
| 00:41.41 | sigmonsays | it's just "sh#" |
| 00:41.45 | sigmonsays | for non root users |
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| 00:42.26 | rudi_s | sigmonsays: man bash |
| 00:42.40 | sigmonsays | really? it's like 40k |
| 00:42.42 | sigmonsays | lines |
| 00:42.47 | rudi_s | Search for prompting (enter /PROMPTING). |
| 00:43.01 | sigmonsays | export PS1="\u@\h \w>" does not work for some reason.. |
| 00:43.04 | sigmonsays | i put that in .bashrc |
| 00:43.09 | sigmonsays | and .bash_profile |
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| 00:43.57 | adb | sigmonsays: try #bash |
| 00:44.22 | sigmonsays | every other distro "it just works" |
| 00:44.31 | grul | don't forget love |
| 00:44.31 | sigmonsays | so.. i came here. but thanks. i'll go to #bash |
| 00:44.35 | sigmonsays | I love everything |
| 00:44.46 | sigmonsays | ... except things I don't love |
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| 00:45.01 | grul | forget logic, just don't forget love |
| 00:45.23 | grul | "I love everything, including the things i don't love" is a great answer |
| 00:45.26 | adb | grul: ok, stop it |
| 00:45.44 | grul | sorry :> i'm a little drunk, and in love :) |
| 00:45.52 | adb | !ops grul spam |
| 00:45.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: grul spam |
| 00:46.07 | grul | was that really necessary? :( |
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| 00:48.29 | bookmark | how do i mount a .img file? |
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| 00:49.54 | adb | bookmark: on ubuntu ? |
| 00:50.03 | bookmark | sure |
| 00:50.06 | bookmark | well no debian |
| 00:50.17 | adb | ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:50.29 | bookmark | why? |
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| 00:50.55 | mentor | adb: That was a tad premature. |
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| 00:51.17 | adb | oh |
| 00:51.30 | iluminator101 | i get the following error when i try to install lxde |
| 00:51.39 | iluminator101 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:51.39 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.39 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.40 | iluminator101 | E: Broken packages |
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| 00:53.23 | stenn | does anyone know how mdadm handles SATA CRC errors, for a RAID 1 array? Will mdadm automatically retry reading/writing the block from the good drive[s], and then try to correct the error on the potentially bad drive? |
| 00:54.14 | iluminator101 | i get following error when i try to install lxde in debian |
| 00:54.17 | stenn | (what I mean by "correct the error", is tell the bad drive to allocate the block to its badblocks list, and then re-write the offending data, based on the good drive[s] copy? |
| 00:54.17 | iluminator101 | http://pastebin.com/d4442606e |
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| 00:57.00 | binrapt | How do you decompress 7z PPMd files on Linux? p7zip can only handle the inferior LZMA algorithm apparently :( |
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| 01:00.32 | mentor | stenn: Generally drives manage their bad blocks list without intervention from the OS |
| 01:00.48 | stenn | binrapt: I was under the impression that the p7zip-full package had a ppmd.so plugin -- give me a second to check |
| 01:01.07 | binrapt | stenn I have it installed |
| 01:01.14 | binrapt | It doesn't appear to work via p7zip -d |
| 01:01.20 | binrapt | Says "Unsupported method" still |
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| 01:02.44 | stenn | binrapt: alternatively, the algorithm might be non-free, meaning you'll need to rebuild the deb yourself |
| 01:03.20 | stenn | binrapt: give me a sec to check |
| 01:03.32 | zinx | binrapt: does the slightly-more-direct "7za" say that? |
| 01:03.44 | binrapt | Oh, I've never heard of it before, sec |
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| 01:03.55 | zinx | binrapt: it's part of p7zip |
| 01:04.11 | binrapt | Works apparently |
| 01:04.24 | stenn | mentor: mm, but can mdadm use the bad CRC event detected by the kernel to signal a re-write of the offending block, on the offending drive? |
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| 01:06.01 | zinx | stenn: no |
| 01:06.17 | zinx | stenn: mdadm uses the bad CRC event to disable the failing drive, because it's failing. |
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| 01:07.36 | stenn | zinx: ahhh. Thank you. Does single bad CRC event necessarily mean that the drive will soon die, with newer SATA drives? |
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| 01:08.17 | zinx | stenn: not neccesarily, but in typical RAID scenarios, you don't care if there's a chance the drive may survive. |
| 01:09.07 | zinx | stenn: note that you should write something to every sector of a new drive when you get it :P |
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| 01:11.12 | stenn | zinx: :-) I'm not sure if you're serious, but honestly, I'd be willing to run a badblocks check on a new drive, if it would save a headache in the future. |
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| 01:12.57 | Raydiation | is there any distro which has debian stable packages and is rolling release? |
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| 01:15.24 | stenn | zinx: ahh. when mdadm drops the drive out of the array, one could doublecheck to see if it was really a bad-block by running a script based off of "http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html" |
| 01:15.29 | zinx | stenn: i'm serious - if you do, use it in destructive write mode before you put anything on it |
| 01:17.26 | stenn | zinx: I bow to your logic. Seriously, why isn't this common knowledge? (or was I just ignorant? ;-) |
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| 01:18.01 | zinx | stenn: people are lazy |
| 01:18.54 | stenn | zinx: very true. Oh, someone's here, got to run |
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| 01:19.15 | hoo-hah | guys, how soon after a stable release of kernel (e.g. 2.6.30) is made public will it be considered for entry in any of the debian repositories? |
| 01:19.20 | hoo-hah | is it possible that I'd get to use it at least before squeeze becomes stable? |
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| 01:19.33 | hoo-hah | (only fetching it from repos) |
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| 01:20.57 | rue_house | W: GPG error: http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public k |
| 01:20.57 | rue_house | ey is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B <--- what is the name of the package with the keys again? |
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| 01:21.30 | adb | [Jun 12 15:53:18] <themill> hoo-hah: linux-image-2.6.30-rc7 is available from the kernel team; expect a further release to hit sid shortly and then migrate to squeeze some time after that. /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 01:21.55 | adb | !key |
| 01:21.55 | dpkg | methinks key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 01:22.33 | rue_house | thankyou |
| 01:22.40 | adb | np |
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| 01:24.36 | rue_house | why dosn't anyone fix the window grouping problem with xmms :( |
| 01:24.39 | rue_house | grrr |
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| 01:24.57 | adb | xmms ? etch ? |
| 01:25.12 | adb | !xmms |
| 01:25.13 | dpkg | i guess xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #461309. For alternatives, ask me about <amarok>, <audacious>, <exaile>, <qmmp>, <quod libet>, <rhythmbox>, <songbird>, <xmms2>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for xmms removal reasons. |
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| 01:29.41 | bookmark | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/source/iso-cd/ |
| 01:29.48 | bookmark | why the hell do they have the source like this? |
| 01:30.09 | hoo-hah | bookmark: it's multi-cd |
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| 01:30.21 | bookmark | there isn't one for the netinstall |
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| 01:30.27 | bookmark | which is what i use |
| 01:30.33 | hoo-hah | you're looking in the wrong spot |
| 01:30.42 | spikerman | who can tell me how to install new kernel |
| 01:30.53 | bookmark | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:30.58 | bookmark | see here they have a netinstall |
| 01:31.07 | bookmark | its smaller |
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| 01:32.10 | bookmark | business card is even smaller but doens't have any base packages in it |
| 01:32.19 | ajavid | netboot is the smallest. |
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| 01:32.47 | bookmark | that's at debian live |
| 01:33.01 | bookmark | i don't want debian live |
| 01:33.25 | ajavid | huh? |
| 01:33.28 | ajavid | !netboot |
| 01:33.29 | dpkg | netboot is, like, a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 01:33.45 | ajavid | well not really |
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| 01:33.55 | superlinux | hello |
| 01:34.15 | bookmark | oh nevermind i'm confused |
| 01:34.24 | bookmark | well i dunno how to use netboot anyway hehehe |
| 01:34.25 | superlinux | anyone ha some experiance in iproute2 pkg? |
| 01:35.02 | superlinux | i just want to know what is the "brd" in : ip addr add 192.168.100.33/24 brd + dev bond0 ? |
| 01:35.44 | superlinux | i did "man ip" did not understand it. it's not explained |
| 01:35.56 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 01:36.08 | ajavid | use netboot kernel/initrd with it |
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| 01:38.04 | \amethyst | superlinux: brd is short for broadcast |
| 01:38.30 | \amethyst | superlinux: + means to take the address and turn on all the host bits (so 192.168.100.255 since this is a /24) |
| 01:38.32 | superlinux | \amethyst: sure? |
| 01:38.40 | superlinux | are you sure? |
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| 01:39.00 | \amethyst | superlinux: yes... the manpage mentions it as an aliast for 'broadcast' under ip link but not under ip addr |
| 01:39.01 | shivraj | hi how can I keep my laptop cool ? |
| 01:39.09 | \amethyst | superlinux: but if you look at the output of ip addr you will see it |
| 01:39.12 | shivraj | Im trying cpudyn |
| 01:39.19 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.20 | superlinux | ok |
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| 01:39.33 | zinx | shivraj: if it's overheating, get a laptop cooler or complain to the manufacturer :/ |
| 01:39.49 | superlinux | cos i am studying the Link aggregation to make a video |
| 01:40.07 | bookmark | ajavid: that's all great and all but i want o compile debian so i can develop |
| 01:40.26 | superlinux | i wanna make a video tutorial from a howto i found |
| 01:41.25 | \amethyst | bookmark: you don't need to compile all of debian just to be able to develop |
| 01:42.27 | bookmark | if all i ever want to develop is debian stuff |
| 01:42.48 | \amethyst | you rebuild the packages you want to develop on |
| 01:43.12 | \amethyst | but you need binary stuff to start |
| 01:43.17 | bookmark | i want to develop another os though |
| 01:43.38 | \amethyst | e.g. how are you going to compile gcc from source without having gcc binaries? |
| 01:43.44 | Polarina | bookmark: Good luck with that. :) |
| 01:43.48 | bookmark | load gcc into ram |
| 01:43.50 | bookmark | toram |
| 01:43.58 | \amethyst | bookmark: from where? |
| 01:44.05 | bookmark | from a archive cd |
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| 01:44.16 | bookmark | or a deb source |
| 01:44.26 | \amethyst | that is, install the binary gcc package |
| 01:44.33 | bookmark | sure |
| 01:44.43 | bookmark | ill have to keep my computer on all the time |
| 01:44.45 | bookmark | but thats ok |
| 01:44.49 | bookmark | heheheh |
| 01:44.55 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 01:44.58 | bookmark | nevermind |
| 01:45.14 | deco_ | \amethyst: bookmark is a weirdo |
| 01:45.43 | bookmark | well actually i think gcc is only like 300 megs |
| 01:45.52 | bookmark | so it can copy into ram fairly quickly when i want to use it |
| 01:46.09 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 01:46.12 | \amethyst | I am confused |
| 01:46.23 | \amethyst | what is this about copying into RAM? |
| 01:46.24 | bookmark | there is a debian live cd yes? and you can make archives yes? |
| 01:46.33 | \amethyst | err |
| 01:46.37 | bookmark | you run the debian livecd with option toram |
| 01:46.40 | bookmark | then you eject |
| 01:46.43 | \amethyst | why would you use a live CD to do development? |
| 01:46.46 | bookmark | then you pop in your archive cd |
| 01:46.48 | bookmark | why not |
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| 01:47.00 | bookmark | like i said for os development |
| 01:47.02 | shivraj | zinx: I need a new battery it will keep cool on battery power but the battery is shot |
| 01:47.26 | adb | bookmark's night trolling speech |
| 01:47.44 | \amethyst | because it's going to take a lot of memory, and everything will have to be reinstalled whenever you boot |
| 01:47.49 | bookmark | well i have to have something to compile onto my harddrive or else it is just a troll yep |
| 01:47.51 | \amethyst | I guess the question is, why not install? |
| 01:47.56 | bookmark | maybe i could get an old copy of gentoo or something |
| 01:48.07 | bookmark | its only like 300 megs |
| 01:48.37 | bookmark | so that hda1 or sda1 can be completely blank for me |
| 01:48.42 | bookmark | actually the whole drive will be |
| 01:48.54 | \amethyst | sure, whatever |
| 01:49.02 | deco_ | bookmark: why do you want it blank? |
| 01:49.11 | bookmark | exactly! |
| 01:49.12 | bookmark | i don't know |
| 01:49.22 | bookmark | i want to compile a linux onto it |
| 01:49.27 | bookmark | but i don't know of one |
| 01:49.35 | deco_ | bookmark: gentoo or sabayon |
| 01:49.47 | bookmark | i guess i can still get that then? |
| 01:50.09 | deco_ | bookmark: stfu already you make no sense . troll |
| 01:50.18 | bookmark | hahah yeah well i heard it was dead i dunno |
| 01:50.18 | \amethyst | or make two partitions, one for the OS you are developing with and one for the OS you are installing |
| 01:50.32 | bookmark | who knows if it will compile with the current gcc |
| 01:50.36 | bookmark | i guess i could get an old gcc |
| 01:50.46 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 01:50.52 | \amethyst | bookmark: what are you talking about? gentoo? |
| 01:50.57 | bookmark | yeah gentoo |
| 01:50.59 | \amethyst | bookmark: gentoo uses a modern gcc |
| 01:51.10 | bookmark | ok cool, i heard it was dead |
| 01:51.18 | adb | .. |
| 01:51.42 | bookmark | shit i dunno man. thats just what i heard. whats the scoop skip? |
| 01:51.57 | \amethyst | there was a release just last year |
| 01:52.15 | bookmark | ok great |
| 01:52.17 | \amethyst | try #gentoo maybe |
| 01:52.32 | bookmark | i just have to get debian squared away on this other notebook then i can start |
| 01:53.10 | \amethyst | or you can use debian + pbuilder to build debian packages from source yourself, then make an archive out of that and point debootstrap at that archive |
| 01:53.56 | bookmark | what i was wondering was can you combine package into the livecd |
| 01:54.07 | bookmark | and you wouldn't need -toram |
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| 01:54.31 | \amethyst | bookmark: you can use live-helper to build a custom live CD |
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| 01:54.49 | \amethyst | bookmark: or possibly the GUI frontend live-magic |
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| 01:55.10 | bookmark | yeah sounds like work |
| 01:55.16 | bookmark | moseys off |
| 01:55.21 | \amethyst | ... |
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| 01:55.32 | bookmark | j/k man |
| 01:55.35 | bookmark | ill write it down |
| 01:57.51 | bookmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.52 | Pnux | hey, i want to modify something i have on windows xp from linux, i mount /dev/sda1 and can see the contents of C:\, but when i try to modify something, i get the error 'Access denied to <file>'.. what should i look for? |
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| 01:59.54 | sladi | Pnux, standard ntfs mount is read only. You need ntfstools or better I think ntfs-3g |
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| 02:00.47 | Pnux | by the way, should i specify its ntfs when mouning? |
| 02:01.52 | Pnux | well, theres no ntfstools in the repo, ill try ntfs-3g |
| 02:03.20 | sunoano | I have a question about the mailing lists. I have subscribed to Debian-user@lists.debian.org and now I get all mails send to my email address. Thing is, I write and read emails via GMANE and thus I don't want to get mails send to my email address again. How do I stay subscribed but disable mail delivery? |
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| 02:05.02 | bookmark | did you ever notice that if you mixed up of for if you could screw yourself up royally? |
| 02:05.12 | sladi | Pnux, It's ntfsprogs actually |
| 02:05.23 | Pnux | sladi: installed ntfs-3g and still cant modify |
| 02:05.52 | sladi | Pnux, You have to type ntfsmount instead of just mount |
| 02:05.58 | Pnux | oh |
| 02:06.02 | sladi | :) |
| 02:06.12 | Pnux | ill try that |
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| 02:07.27 | Pnux | sladi: yeah, that worked.. thanks a lot.. |
| 02:07.32 | Pnux | !karma |
| 02:07.32 | dpkg | pnux has neutral karma |
| 02:07.36 | sladi | Pnux, NP :) |
| 02:07.37 | Pnux | !sladi++ |
| 02:07.45 | Pnux | uhmm |
| 02:07.56 | luckylucy | trying to use a script for backing up which has this: mkdir /mnt/usbdrive/backups/`date+%Y%m%d` that i found, debian says that date+%Y%m%d: command not found. solution? |
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| 02:09.15 | Pnux | dpkg: sladi++ |
| 02:09.19 | spikerman | luckylucy, date +"%Y%m%d" |
| 02:09.25 | Pnux | sladi++ |
| 02:09.30 | Pnux | awe |
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| 02:12.40 | xororand | hi there. how can i configure /etc/crypttab (without LUKS) to check if the device is an LVM physical volume? |
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| 02:14.54 | luckylucy | thanks spikerman. |
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| 02:15.17 | spikerman | luckylucy, no thanks |
| 02:15.52 | spikerman | luckylucy, date +%Y%m%d is also ok |
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| 02:27.09 | creative2bad | I'm using debian lenny and was wondering what is an EASY application I can use to setup a proxy with user/password support .. |
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| 02:34.56 | enyawix | can you get GLX on a intel video card? |
| 02:36.27 | bookmark | you can have glx on any video card |
| 02:36.31 | bookmark | emulated |
| 02:36.37 | bookmark | indirect mode rather |
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| 02:36.47 | bookmark | im running glxgears on indirect mode |
| 02:36.48 | enyawix | emulated? |
| 02:36.57 | bookmark | well its not hardware accelerated |
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| 02:37.11 | enyawix | i will google for info |
| 02:37.39 | bookmark | just run glxgears to see if you have it |
| 02:37.44 | bookmark | you might have to install mesa |
| 02:38.08 | enyawix | ok |
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| 02:42.45 | mimiloon | hi everybody, can anybody help me please? i'm trying to install the drivers for the wifi card using ndiswrapper; i followed the instructions from a website and everything works till i get to 'modprobe ndiswrapper' and there's is no error message and when i type iwconfig, the card doesn't show up. when i type ndiswrapper -l, it says the drivers and the hardware is present. |
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| 02:47.54 | DDevine | mimiloon: It can be a bit finniky sometimes. Just play with it for a while and even follow a different guide. |
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| 02:51.02 | mimiloon | DDevine: thanks for the quick response but the guide is for the same type of card as the tutorial. i'll give it a shot with another tutorial |
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| 02:51.49 | DDevine | Yeah. I have only done it maybe twice. The card ended up being supported in the kernel about a month after I bought it :) |
| 02:52.12 | Bruce_Lee | hello everyone |
| 02:52.29 | Bruce_Lee | I'm bruce |
| 02:52.50 | DDevine | And I'm Chuck Norris. |
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| 02:53.07 | Bruce_Lee | nice to meet you |
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| 02:58.57 | lrathbon | anyone gotten netscape4 to run on lenny? |
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| 03:00.26 | mimiloon | DDevine: got it working, had to use the xp version of the driver instead of vista version, thanks for you help |
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| 03:03.03 | jimi_c | so, i'm downloading debian for the first time, and i see there are 5 dvd's... i'm going to be working on cobbler support for debian, and i'm wondering if the first dvd is all i need? |
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| 03:09.19 | Polarina | jimi_c: Download the netinst CD. |
| 03:15.15 | jimi_c | Polarina: that does a download off an internet mirror, doesn't it? |
| 03:15.27 | Polarina | jimi_c: Yes. |
| 03:15.38 | jimi_c | i'm not sure that's what we'd want for cobbler |
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| 03:16.30 | jimi_c | cobbler generally hosts the full install and acts as the source |
| 03:16.41 | jimi_c | and it builds its own netboot iso for booting without dhcp |
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| 03:26.20 | Mistique | anybody experienced with debian and newer HP laptops? |
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| 03:30.24 | enyawix | Mistique buy a laptop with nvidia all the other ones suck |
| 03:31.04 | ajoneil | hey, im having some problems getting apache to run |
| 03:31.14 | ajoneil | basically, i use apache2ctl to start it |
| 03:31.21 | ajoneil | and it doesnt return an error |
| 03:31.26 | ajoneil | its just not running |
| 03:31.32 | ajoneil | theres nothing in the error logs either |
| 03:32.32 | timidboy | check logs, and debug |
| 03:32.32 | Polarina | ajoneil: Try /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 03:35.08 | ajoneil | Polarina: ok, im getting a message in the error logs now |
| 03:35.17 | ajoneil | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443 |
| 03:35.17 | ajoneil | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
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| 03:38.51 | bookmark | howdy |
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| 03:41.43 | ajoneil | excellent, was two conflicting config files for ports due to apt upgrade |
| 03:41.48 | ajoneil | Polarina: thanks a lot :) |
| 03:41.48 | bookmark | ok so this guy gave me a command one time it goes: dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9 > Packages.gz |
| 03:42.11 | bookmark | but i'm doing it on a system and it says dpkg-scanpackages: command not found |
| 03:42.26 | Polarina | ajoneil: Not a problem. |
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| 03:45.42 | Tramp | bookmark: then install the package which contains it. To find out which package that may be, /msg dpkg search |
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| 03:52.43 | micols | how do i stream a .iso file from an apache webserver with mplayer or the like? |
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| 03:56.06 | Intensity | When I attempt to rebuild xfractint in both etch and lenny, I get a segmentation fault during the build (the ./hc /c step), as well as an error message "dpkg: unknown option --print-gnu-build-architecture". |
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| 04:06.33 | \amethyst | !lame |
| 04:06.34 | dpkg | [lame] Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME#Patents_and_legal_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0006/msg01213.html. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> and <rarewares>. Upstream sources at http://lame.sf.net/ |
| 04:06.35 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 04:23.34 | JasonMoss | Is there an equivalent command in debian to the 'setup' command in Red Hat distros? |
| 04:23.48 | JasonMoss | or something similar anyway |
| 04:24.08 | doleyb | there's dpkg-reconfigure -a, but that's not super-close. |
| 04:24.45 | JasonMoss | thanks |
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| 04:25.52 | kdasdasf | hi does somebody know under which license the contents of openbsd.org are? |
| 04:25.55 | kdasdasf | like images and stuff |
| 04:27.06 | GhostlyDeath | maybe BSD |
| 04:27.37 | kdasdasf | i think so but i don't find any details |
| 04:27.41 | kdasdasf | and #bsd is +r -.- |
| 04:27.50 | kdasdasf | s/bsd/openbsd |
| 04:28.42 | GhostlyDeath | You need to register |
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| 04:29.31 | kdasdasf | hmm yea i probably should |
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| 04:31.18 | aboyzz | ONE DAY THE TEMPERTURE DROPPED FROM -4 DEGREES F TO -8 DEGREES F. HOW MANY DEGREES DID IT DROP? |
| 04:31.52 | kdasdasf | 4? |
| 04:31.57 | kdasdasf | whats the trick? |
| 04:32.02 | aboyzz | i don't know |
| 04:32.07 | aboyzz | i would think -4 |
| 04:32.09 | aboyzz | or 4? |
| 04:32.17 | kdasdasf | drop -4 then it would be 0 F |
| 04:32.24 | aboyzz | I see |
| 04:32.26 | aboyzz | so 4? |
| 04:32.32 | kdasdasf | i think |
| 04:32.42 | aboyzz | is that your final answer? |
| 04:32.52 | kdasdasf | i think |
| 04:33.09 | kdasdasf | now i'm curiouse what's the answer :-D |
| 04:33.49 | aboyzz | yup |
| 04:33.53 | aboyzz | 4 is the correct answer ;) |
| 04:33.56 | aboyzz | you smart.. |
| 04:34.38 | GhostlyDeath | What's that have to do with Debian? |
| 04:35.29 | aboyzz | nothing just some IQ question |
| 04:35.31 | aboyzz | hahaahah' |
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| 04:48.35 | ajavid | who wants to be a millionair? |
| 04:48.52 | ajavid | I just got lenny installed on a machine new |
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| 04:51.45 | saiddy | somebody who can tell me where is the "alsaconf", i can't find it out,alsamixer show me the right soundcard in use, but there is still have no any sound |
| 04:52.12 | simonrvn | alsaconf is gone |
| 04:52.22 | simonrvn | unmute stuff |
| 04:52.24 | saiddy | simonrvn: oh , |
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| 04:53.10 | luckylucy | bash: cp "most recent file in the directory starting with 'abcd'" /home/myfile. can this be done? if so, how? |
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| 04:59.19 | omid8bimo | guys how can i close/kill a connection that i see in netstat? |
| 04:59.41 | omid8bimo | it's ftp connection but i don't see any ftp process at ps ax output |
| 04:59.49 | \amethyst | luckylucy: assuming no filenames contain newlines, cp "$('ls' -dt abcd* | head -n 1)" /home/myfile |
| 05:00.01 | \amethyst | luckylucy: 'ls' is quoted to avoid aliases |
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| 05:00.25 | luckylucy | ok, lemmy give that a try, wat is the $ for ? |
| 05:00.30 | luckylucy | what |
| 05:01.00 | \amethyst | luckylucy: "$(...)" is to capture the output of a command and use it as another command's argument |
| 05:01.19 | luckylucy | ah, very useful trick. |
| 05:04.21 | luckylucy | wow, works perfectly as far as i can tell. |
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| 05:28.20 | luckylucy | \amethyst: out of curiosity, is there a way to incorporate an absolute path like you can with: #ls /home/user |
| 05:29.00 | \amethyst | luckylucy: cp "$('ls' -dt /home/user/abcd* | head -n 1)" /home/myfile |
| 05:29.42 | luckylucy | ah, i was trying after the ls, that makes plenty of sense. thanks again! |
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| 05:56.21 | ajavid | ahhh man |
| 05:56.29 | ajavid | I love Debian. It is the ultimately best! |
| 05:56.33 | ajavid | bestest of the best! |
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| 05:57.20 | ajavid | finally got my entire stable system setup, 1.75 TB highly organized, stuff being backed up, once a week full, rest of the week nightly differential, now to harden |
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| 05:58.19 | ajavid | and I have kde3! oh man, I'm soooooo happy! |
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| 06:01.01 | jony123 | anyone here know if theirs a picaxe irc channel |
| 06:01.09 | ajavid | picaxe? |
| 06:01.48 | jony123 | computer on a chip |
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| 06:02.03 | simonrvn | join it and see... |
| 06:02.39 | jony123 | yea #picaxe is not a channel |
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| 06:09.19 | LuciusMare | hello |
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| 06:10.08 | LuciusMare | when i startx,it is like i start it fo the first time;it asks for language and so.but when i startx as a root (sudo) it works,loads everything fine.where is the problem? |
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| 06:12.06 | MiguelAus | !time |
| 06:12.06 | dpkg | [time] found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.06.13 6:12:06, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 06:13.08 | LuciusMare | please... |
| 06:13.59 | MiguelAus | !what kind of channel is it.. nobody speak |
| 06:14.01 | dpkg | MiguelAus: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 06:14.20 | MiguelAus | dpkg: are u a bot? |
| 06:14.22 | dpkg | MiguelAus: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:14.43 | MiguelAus | :) |
| 06:15.09 | MiguelAus | good |
| 06:15.12 | MiguelAus | !help |
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| 06:15.38 | big-pengwiin | Good mornin' |
| 06:15.53 | MiguelAus | g moorning big-pengwiin |
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| 06:16.26 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 06:16.39 | LuciusMare | when i startx,it is like i start it fo the first time;it asks for language and so.but when i startx as a root (sudo) it works,loads everything fine.where is the problem? |
| 06:17.21 | cromag | hmm |
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| 06:20.00 | stew | big-pengwiin: hosana brotha |
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| 06:21.12 | simonrvn | stew: o_O |
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| 06:21.47 | superlinux | hi |
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| 06:23.44 | superlinux | imagine that I have plenty of RAM, however my VGA has small video memory. i don't want to buy a new vga. i just want to make use of the RAM that I will dedicate. can that be done with Xwindows? |
| 06:26.22 | liable | superlinux: yes you can set the vram. it used to be asked when configuring x iirc, so look in man xorg.conf i suppose |
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| 06:28.07 | superlinux | liable, not that |
| 06:28.17 | charly | hello |
| 06:28.41 | superlinux | there are those servers that comes with slow VGA's like the ATI RAGE |
| 06:28.42 | liable | superlinux: huh? |
| 06:28.52 | charly | I want to set up a mirror repository of http://mark.tester.be on my local server, can anybody tell me how to do that? |
| 06:28.54 | simonrvn | s/he wants to use system ram for vram |
| 06:29.23 | superlinux | so i want to make use of the RAM of the system, not the video ram. |
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| 06:30.02 | superlinux | simonrvn, YES! you understood me |
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| 06:30.15 | superlinux | the system ram |
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| 06:31.04 | superlinux | simonrvn, is that possible in X? |
| 06:31.40 | superlinux | does the Frame buffer help ? |
| 06:33.15 | simonrvn | i don't know. it used to be possible on older systems (you had to in fact). |
| 06:33.18 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:34.21 | superlinux | simonrvn, there is a patch |
| 06:34.29 | superlinux | i looked it up |
| 06:34.37 | superlinux | i hope that's it |
| 06:34.40 | superlinux | http://kerneltrap.org/node/143 |
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| 06:37.50 | simonrvn | that's like from 2002 |
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| 06:38.43 | simonrvn | and besides, that's the exact opposite of what you want to do. |
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| 06:39.19 | simonrvn | you said, AIUI, you want system ram to use as video ram |
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| 06:42.58 | superlinux | simonrvn, true. but changing the "mem" var can do it? i think there is more to that too |
| 06:44.20 | superlinux | i think that's the shared memory. |
| 06:44.35 | simonrvn | stew: now i see what you meant, WRT big-epnguinnnn dude |
| 06:45.23 | xingu | superlinux: nvidia's turbomemory does what you're asking about automagically; and you still don't want to do it - even with hw assistance for the memory management aspect you rapidly flood fsb with bitblt which isn't big and isn't clever. |
| 06:45.34 | simonrvn | no, that was his way of accessing that pci card's vram space to insert into system ram. like i said, the exact opposite. |
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| 06:47.02 | alleyoopster | after replacing rt2500 with rt2500 pci I have ra0 - no wireless extensions showing in iwconfig. How to get rid please? |
| 06:47.09 | superlinux | xingu, the issue is that i will get a tower server with a built in VGA with just only 8MB |
| 06:47.16 | superlinux | and is slow |
| 06:47.28 | xingu | superlinux: there was a brief interval shortly after the introduction of agp where manufacturers experimented with what was called UMA (unified memory architecture) at the time; it stank and clobbered whole system performance (not only graphics performance) for exactly this reason |
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| 06:47.39 | simonrvn | well, it's a server, who cares about vram in those? |
| 06:47.55 | xingu | superlinux: it won't get any quicker by hosing the fsb as well... |
| 06:48.07 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 06:49.00 | superlinux | simonrvn, i want to turn it ti a workstaion. |
| 06:49.00 | stew | simonrvn: hosana brotha, i'm helping him privately |
| 06:49.01 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 06:49.06 | superlinux | and i dont want to buy a vga |
| 06:49.14 | superlinux | i am not that gamer |
| 06:49.37 | superlinux | the windowing system will response very slowly |
| 06:49.49 | simonrvn | from what you're saying, you want to use this server as a desktop/workstation? |
| 06:50.02 | superlinux | yes |
| 06:50.11 | superlinux | it has a low noise |
| 06:50.14 | \amethyst | superlinux: are you going to be doing 3D? |
| 06:50.19 | superlinux | no |
| 06:50.23 | \amethyst | superlinux: how will adding video RAM help? |
| 06:50.35 | simonrvn | won't matter then, not that much anyway. |
| 06:50.50 | alleyoopster | Does iwconfig report on what network interface modules are loaded or are there other factors? |
| 06:51.00 | superlinux | i jus had some mechine like that before, and the clicks and windows are very slow to respond |
| 06:51.50 | simonrvn | you'd probably be better off adding ram to it |
| 06:52.02 | simonrvn | less swapping, more responsiveness |
| 06:52.28 | simonrvn | alleyoopster: no idea |
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| 06:53.19 | alleyoopster | simonrvn: me neither, I am guessng it is a buggy driver, rt drivers have had some problems recently |
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| 06:55.37 | alleyoopster | well second question is how is sounds is squeeze running kde at the moment, I am guessing it is kde 4.2, is it responsive / stable enough to run everyday? |
| 06:57.29 | superlinux | alleyoopster, is't a PCI card or a built-in, the wireless? |
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| 06:57.49 | superlinux | like on board |
| 06:58.08 | alleyoopster | superlinux: its a pc card, a belkin actually |
| 06:58.21 | superlinux | get a TP-Link |
| 06:58.31 | superlinux | it has an aetheros chip |
| 06:58.42 | alleyoopster | superlinux: you want me to change my card? |
| 06:58.57 | superlinux | yes. it just runs out of the box |
| 06:59.18 | superlinux | or cant you? |
| 06:59.48 | superlinux | i had one for only 38$ aussie |
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| 07:00.14 | alleyoopster | superlinux: its good to know, but the card works, just got a default speed of 1M and strange entry. I thought the rt chipset would get good support |
| 07:00.29 | superlinux | it has |
| 07:00.58 | superlinux | but one of the "iw*" commands should change the speed for you |
| 07:02.10 | alleyoopster | superlinux: yes it does, but it is not always automated. I used wicd and have done what is needed with a script, but it is not always picked up on resume and even sometimes on startup, it is a bit hit and miss |
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| 07:03.36 | alleyoopster | superlinux: i have a rate command in /etc/network/if-up.d/ralink-fix. wicd also points to this for each AP it connects to |
| 07:03.54 | superlinux | so can't you script it for managing this problem? |
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| 07:04.59 | superlinux | the problem of keeping the speed to what you want |
| 07:05.34 | alleyoopster | superlinux: not without glitches |
| 07:06.01 | superlinux | so there is still some problems? |
| 07:07.17 | alleyoopster | superlinux: yes, what I get is sometimes I will startup or resume and I'll notice a very slow connection, when I check it is sitting at 1M. On issueing a rate 54M and then generating some traffic it picks up to 54M, but it is not ideal |
| 07:07.57 | alleyoopster | superlinux: the rt2500 driver worked fine without a problem, but it would not connect to any encyrpted networks |
| 07:08.18 | superlinux | ah ok |
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| 07:08.58 | alleyoopster | superlinux: I think our first suggestion maybe the answer :) |
| 07:09.02 | superlinux | this means that this card must be changed. you can keep it though, and get the new one |
| 07:09.27 | superlinux | cos this is not what you really need |
| 07:09.59 | alleyoopster | superlinux: OK so TP-link, USB or PC Card? |
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| 07:10.10 | superlinux | pc card |
| 07:10.34 | superlinux | cos you can read the name of the chip on-card |
| 07:10.54 | superlinux | an aetheros chip |
| 07:11.00 | alleyoopster | superlinux: OK, great |
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| 07:11.21 | superlinux | therefore YOU MUST OPEN the box before buying |
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| 07:12.47 | alleyoopster | superlinux: OK, I hear you, thanks for your time, apprieciated |
| 07:12.57 | luckylucy | my crontab file has a 7 in the slot for the weekly run, but reading the manuals online, it appears that only 0-6 is valid, is this a mistake on my part, or is there something else going on???? |
| 07:13.30 | luckylucy | i guess i should have said "a 7 in the DOW slot" for the weekly run. sorry. |
| 07:13.53 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: that would be the 7th day, that sounds ok |
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| 07:14.11 | luckylucy | 0 is sunday, 6 is saturday according to the manual, where is the 7th? |
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| 07:14.35 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: no 7 is sunday |
| 07:14.55 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: you can use 0 also |
| 07:15.09 | cahoot | sunday is represented by 0 or 7 |
| 07:16.05 | luckylucy | ok, sounds good, just checking. |
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| 07:16.50 | lvh_ | yes, it's 7 in countries that do the Right Thing, and 0 in countries that do the Christian Right thing :-p |
| 07:17.29 | alleyoopster | but on the 7th day though shall rest, no? :) |
| 07:18.01 | luckylucy | or zero in countries where people count like processors, starting at 0. |
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| 07:18.40 | alleyoopster | I am not going to suggest anywhere |
| 07:18.53 | luckylucy | huh? |
| 07:19.23 | alleyoopster | i am not going to suggest a country where they count like processors i may get into trouble |
| 07:19.26 | luckylucy | come on, take a shot... |
| 07:20.15 | raz0 | then monday should be 0th |
| 07:20.23 | alleyoopster | what does suse use? |
| 07:20.32 | LuciusMare | when i startx,it is like i start it fo the first time;it asks for language and so.but when i startx as a root (sudo) it works,loads everything fine.where is the problem? |
| 07:21.24 | alleyoopster | LuciusMare: Is this KDE? |
| 07:21.40 | luckylucy | what happens if crontab is running a job and another is supposed to start, does it multitask, or push back the new job? |
| 07:21.51 | LuciusMare | no,e17 |
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| 07:22.36 | alleyoopster | LuciusMare: sorry no idea, but clearly something with the use account, maybe config file in home folder dot something |
| 07:23.09 | luckylucy | make a new user and see if the new users home folder / settings cause the problem.... just a thought. |
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| 07:24.19 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: I would guess it would wait, that would be logical, but I dont know for sure |
| 07:24.59 | luckylucy | ok, i guess it doesn't really matter now, i am in the learning stage of crontab. |
| 07:25.25 | luckylucy | and linux for that matter, although it is starting to work for me instead of me working on it. |
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| 07:26.56 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: but saying that it would have to know when the job finished, not sure it does |
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| 07:28.54 | luckylucy | yeah, i am trying to find an article, no luck. |
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| 07:30.15 | luckylucy | i am also interested in "incremental" backup. i am unsure how these would easily be taken / reassembled. mostly the organization and re-assembly in case of disaster seems confusing. |
| 07:31.53 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: have a look at rdiff-backup and rsync, it is the simplest solution I have found for my own use anyway |
| 07:32.26 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: looking more at the crons, I think they run concurrently |
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| 07:33.21 | jony123 | i want to know if i could make a script that sends some data to a server once is has established a connection to the net also a program that trys to connect to any unsercuiered wireless network |
| 07:33.34 | luckylucy | alleyoopster: hmmmm. are those two packages able to dump and backup mysql and/or subversion repositories (if you know) |
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| 07:35.06 | alleyoopster | luckylucy: you would have to script that |
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| 07:35.35 | lvh_ | jony123: That sounds totally legit! |
| 07:36.10 | luckylucy | yeah, i have the basics written to backup mysql and files/folders to an ftp, so i think i will stick with the scripting for now. i don't know how to log a failure though.... |
| 07:36.23 | lvh_ | luckylucy: stop using mysql |
| 07:37.52 | Ponce | Hello, I am trying to make a persistent debian USB key. I used this guide ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Custom_Install ) and a Debian Live iso ( debian-live-500-i386-kde-desktop.iso ) and am getting a kernel panic when it tries to boot, " /init: .: 163: Can't open /scripts/casper Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" or something to that effect |
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| 07:39.26 | jony123 | lvh_ on my computers |
| 07:39.41 | luckylucy | lvh: no? |
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| 07:40.14 | zoddan | Hi! |
| 07:40.35 | tuv | why on earth could possibly make awesome corrupt all the text: http://www.imagebam.com/image/f6c86538854926 |
| 07:40.39 | lvh_ | luckylucy: yes! :-( |
| 07:40.59 | tuv | what* |
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| 07:41.11 | lvh_ | jony123: Yeah, sure. Anyway: kismet argely does what you want already, mostly. |
| 07:41.16 | tuv | this is running inside vnc |
| 07:41.22 | lvh_ | wth.. s/argely/already |
| 07:41.44 | luckylucy | lvh_: do you have some reasoning behind this barking of orders? |
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| 07:42.01 | Mikey^ | Hi guys |
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| 07:42.09 | Mikey^ | I have an hytech webcam |
| 07:42.23 | Mikey^ | I need to get it working in debian squeeze |
| 07:42.29 | Mikey^ | need some help |
| 07:43.06 | cahoot | Mikey^: find its usbid and google for what module it needs |
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| 07:43.23 | lvh_ | luckylucy: Yes, experience. Also, It wasn't so much an order as it was an adamant suggestion :-) |
| 07:43.51 | zoddan | anyone in here has any experiance in running debian inside Hyper-V? |
| 07:44.00 | Mikey^ | cahoot: New USB device found, idVendor=093a, idProduct=2620 |
| 07:44.04 | Mikey^ | I tried googling |
| 07:44.11 | Mikey^ | got only one link |
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| 07:44.19 | Mikey^ | and it was nouse |
| 07:44.32 | amsterdam | hi, how can i remove packages if "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" ? |
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| 07:44.52 | cahoot | Mikey^: http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2009/03/01/howto-gear-head-web-cam-093a2620-in-linux/ |
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| 07:45.10 | lvh_ | luckylucy: Lets see: Only one index per query, full-text indexing doesn't work on innodb, asynchronous interface |
| 07:45.19 | jony123 | lvh_ the less you know the better |
| 07:46.05 | Mikey^ | cahoot: thx, let me have a look at that |
| 07:46.13 | tuv | has anyone ever seen awesome (wm) looking like this? http://www.imagebam.com/image/f6c86538854926 |
| 07:46.24 | lvh_ | jony123: Hardly. |
| 07:46.34 | luckylucy | lvh_: works so well with php, easy to setup on linux, simple interface....what do you suggest as an alternative course of action? |
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| 07:47.07 | lvh_ | luckylucy: Already gave you three excellent reasons. |
| 07:47.35 | luckylucy | you gave opposition, i am asking for proposition. |
| 07:47.47 | lvh_ | luckylucy: "works well with php" is a counterindication to use technology, usually. Also: pg works fine with whatever ORM or RDBAPI you should already have been using. |
| 07:47.56 | Mikey^ | cahoot: looks like I need to install a new kernel |
| 07:47.58 | lvh_ | luckylucy: Postgres is identically hard to set up properly on Linux as MySQL. |
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| 07:48.08 | jony123 | lvh_ *cougf* *coufg* mapping of unquired wireless spots *cougf* *coufg* |
| 07:48.10 | lvh_ | luckylucy: What does 'simple interface' mean? |
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| 07:48.29 | lvh_ | luckylucy: What interface? The console? |
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| 07:48.49 | Ponce | If I am to understand correctly, failure to open /scripts/casper might have something to do with squash.fs ?? I don't know how to resolve this |
| 07:49.03 | JRMLL | Anyone know of software that would allow me to send someone a 8GB dvd which when booted from would offer the recipient a *choice* of wiping their hdd and installing a new hdd image from the DVD? i.e. the only user intervention should be to say yes or no to "do you want your hdd wiped and hdd image Acme installed?" ? |
| 07:49.35 | luckylucy | lvm_:phpmyadmin, i like it. it is easy for me to do things quickly. although i have no comparison other than mssql, and therefore am open to suggestions and new ideas, i have no complaints at this point in time. |
| 07:49.35 | LuciusMare | dpkg: YMCA |
| 07:49.36 | dpkg | it has been said that ymca is my hamster |
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| 07:50.07 | luckylucy | lvm_: didn't mean that smiley |
| 07:50.18 | lvh_ | luckylucy: also, especially with the new FSM/VS in pg84, vacuuming is ridiculously fast unless you regularly update *every tuple* in a relation, in which case it's only as fast as it used to be. |
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| 07:51.12 | lvh_ | luckylucy: There's phppgsql which I don't use. There is pgadmin3 which is so much better than everything mysql has (at least had, 2 years ago, when I dumped that pos) it's not even funny. |
| 07:52.01 | luckylucy | way, way, way, way over my head. i am a small business owner, not an it administrator. |
| 07:52.09 | luckylucy | way over. |
| 07:52.23 | luckylucy | i hack together what i can. |
| 07:52.47 | lvh_ | luckylucy: So do it with postgres instead of mysql :-p |
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| 07:53.02 | luckylucy | free? |
| 07:53.30 | luckylucy | oh yes it is. |
| 07:53.47 | lvh_ | luckylucy: Even basic tutorials will mention things like fsync=off |
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| 07:54.31 | the-dude | JRMLL: try something with clonezilla |
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| 07:56.30 | lvh_ | luckylucy: also, count(*) is O(1) on MyISAM. This has the side effect that it is usually wrong. |
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| 07:57.31 | lvh | brb |
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| 07:58.08 | luckylucy | these are things i never see or maybe don't notice.... i don't know. i am sure you use the database in a much different and more advanced manner. |
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| 07:59.03 | lvh | luckylucy: Don't notice *yet*. |
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| 07:59.16 | lvh | luckylucy: Databases, more than anything, have the tendency to grow really big. |
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| 08:00.14 | lvh | luckylucy: The database I'm talking about started out as (very heavy insert load, relatively low select load) about 10MB/day worth of data, which is nothing. |
| 08:00.36 | lvh | luckylucy: Now, it's about 2GB, which is still tiny, but meh. It means I have to buy extra harddisks every few months ;-) |
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| 08:02.16 | luckylucy | why do you have to buy extra hard disks? i don't follow |
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| 08:02.39 | lvh | luckylucy: Because the database grows 2GB every day? |
| 08:03.11 | luckylucy | oh, i read "its about 2GB" as "its size is about 2GB" sorry. |
| 08:03.58 | lvh | luckylucy: Hahaha, no, 2GB is barely big enough to let outside of sqlite :-D |
| 08:04.12 | luckylucy | hence my confusion... |
| 08:04.15 | luckylucy | :) |
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| 08:04.46 | luckylucy | do you have an oracle background? |
| 08:04.56 | lvh | luckylucy: but seeing as they're on raid 1 (previously raid 5) SSD's, well, 120GB / 2 = 60 days = 2 months. |
| 08:05.05 | GhostlyDeath | (as in do you fly around and annoy people) |
| 08:05.23 | lvh | luckylucy: I hate oracle with a passion, does that answer your question? |
| 08:05.42 | lvh | refuses to write MINUS in SQL statements :-p |
| 08:06.42 | lvh | the archived tracks are going on wd cav greens. 2TB/drive is slightly less expensive than raid 10 of ssd's. |
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| 08:07.45 | luckylucy | well, it is worth a look, probably and download and install, maybe a couple hours of play time... and beyond that, who knows :) thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 08:08.01 | jony123 | wonders what would happen if every single debian user was connect into a vpn |
| 08:08.20 | GhostlyDeath | jony123: A Microsoft PPTP? |
| 08:08.26 | jony123 | PPTP? |
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| 08:08.52 | exn | ^_^ guys, how to kick somebody if I admin (/admins exn admin) on the server ? (UnrealIRCD) |
| 08:09.18 | lvh | exn: kick? as in from a channel? |
| 08:09.45 | exn | lvh /kick in channel says about I'm not in the channel O_o |
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| 08:09.58 | exn | ah no, it says i'm not operator |
| 08:10.05 | exn | the channel |
| 08:10.06 | lvh | exn: What are you trying to *do* |
| 08:10.10 | vinzzz | Hi here |
| 08:10.12 | exn | kick |
| 08:10.27 | exn | or ban ^_^ |
| 08:11.04 | lvh | exn: chanserv kick $chan $nick |
| 08:11.06 | lvh | iirc |
| 08:11.12 | lvh | exn: Isn't this documented? |
| 08:11.28 | exn | lvh , I'll try =) |
| 08:13.01 | exn | no. it says - you have no permissions O_o |
| 08:13.12 | exn | wtf, i'm admin globaly |
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| 08:13.57 | lvh | exn: That's not what chanserv checks for. |
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| 08:14.39 | exn | lvh, ok, what admins can do ? |
| 08:14.46 | exn | I guess nothing... |
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| 08:15.44 | lvh | exn: Perhaps it would help if you read the documentation first. IIRC, that's /HELPOP |
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| 08:16.12 | lvh | At least it is on deoxy.org. |
| 08:16.32 | amphibious | what's the recommended partitioning for debian install for the purpose of a xen server |
| 08:16.38 | amphibious | ? |
| 08:16.46 | amphibious | i'm using netinstall by the way |
| 08:17.03 | Guerin | amphibious: if you have to ask, put / in one partition of 10GB and /home on another partition as big as you like |
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| 08:18.18 | amphibious | ok great, that's the optimized setup? so i need to partition each guest os in Xen? what about swap? |
| 08:18.39 | Guerin | use a swapfile rather than swap partitions |
| 08:19.22 | luckylucy | i have one server, that everytime i type sudo , i get a sudo: unable to resolve host servername.domain servername |
| 08:19.42 | Guerin | fix your hosts file |
| 08:19.45 | luckylucy | only one, anyone know if this is hosts file or maybe another file? |
| 08:19.54 | luckylucy | oh, ok, you are faster than me. |
| 08:19.57 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:21.00 | luckylucy | let me ask you another one then. should there be a hosts entry for all of the local interfaces, eth0-eht2 on a server acting as a router? |
| 08:21.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:21.43 | Guerin | potentially you need a hosts entry for any box you might need to connect to which doesn't have a dns entry |
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| 08:22.08 | luckylucy | and one for 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1? this is the dns server as well. |
| 08:22.25 | luckylucy | 127.0.0.1 should be localhost right? |
| 08:22.29 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:22.43 | amphibious | Guerin: i'm being warned to select a swap space |
| 08:23.00 | luckylucy | and 127.0.1.1 should be what? servername.domain or localhost? |
| 08:23.03 | Guerin | amphibious: up to you. |
| 08:23.09 | Guerin | luckylucy: both |
| 08:23.36 | luckylucy | and the other interfaces, should they have a localhost too, or just servername.domain servername? |
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| 08:25.22 | Guerin | luckylucy: each box should have a hosts file containing the line 127.0.0.1 localhost servername, and other lines for each box it might need to connect to which isn't available by dns |
| 08:25.28 | amphibious | is Xen preinstalled in Debian? |
| 08:25.46 | GhostlyDeath | Nope |
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| 08:26.00 | GhostlyDeath | but you can install the Xen Kernel Package |
| 08:26.04 | luckylucy | Guerin: what about that boxes physical nics? nothing? |
| 08:26.33 | Guerin | luckylucy: the answer is covered in the question above |
| 08:27.16 | Guerin | you can have an entry for each local ip, but it's a bit pointless unless you need to route via something other than localhost |
| 08:27.47 | Selveste1 | !tell amphibious about XEN |
| 08:28.23 | luckylucy | it is the router, maybe that's why it is here? it's running shorewall and dns maybe the dnat stuff needs it? i don't remember now, it's been a while since i read up on that... |
| 08:28.33 | Guerin | possibly |
| 08:28.39 | Guerin | can't hurt in any case |
| 08:28.54 | luckylucy | gives that error though, kind of annoying. |
| 08:29.07 | Guerin | sometimes if an ip corresponds to more than one name you can run into trickiness with the order in which the names are specified |
| 08:29.41 | luckylucy | i would think they would go in the order of the interfaces right? i should check that...good idea. |
| 08:29.55 | Guerin | nop, I don't mean that necessarily |
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| 08:30.13 | Guerin | I mean in terms of the order of 'localhost' and 'hostname' in one line |
| 08:30.33 | Guerin | but hell, try random shit, see what breaks :) |
| 08:30.40 | luckylucy | oh, mine are localhost servername.domain servername |
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| 08:32.56 | liable | ohoes, its teh Guerin |
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| 08:37.32 | luckylucy | d |
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| 08:43.42 | luckylucy | i took them all out of /etc/hosts, still same issue...... maybe a different file, or not loaded with /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 08:47.07 | liable | being incredibly lazy and bored at the same time is an interesting conundrum.. |
| 08:47.50 | cahoot | liable: add affluent for a dangerous result |
| 08:48.19 | liable | cahoot: adding beer is dangerous enough :) |
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| 08:49.23 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 08:50.19 | mig5 | liable: i'm like that all the time |
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| 08:50.30 | amphibious | what's the command to run kde in console? |
| 08:50.31 | zoddan | does anyone know how i can access phpmyadmin when i have set a root password? |
| 08:50.31 | zoddan | i dont get a login promt! |
| 08:50.37 | mig5 | i never know what to do, but I know i probably can't be bothered anyway |
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| 08:51.17 | mig5 | zoddan: not really a question for this channel but there's a config option |
| 08:51.21 | mig5 | oh |
| 08:51.25 | mig5 | i thought i was in another channel |
| 08:51.27 | mig5 | pardon me :) |
| 08:51.43 | mig5 | yes look in /etc/phpmyadmin/*Whatever the conf is* |
| 08:51.45 | zoddan | mig5: i know but no one in the mysql channel knows the stuff :P |
| 08:51.54 | zoddan | mig5: btw it is in windows |
| 08:51.58 | mig5 | sorry i thought i was in debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 08:51.59 | mig5 | ah |
| 08:52.12 | zoddan | but it is the same i guess :P |
| 08:52.12 | mig5 | well wherever the config is, look in it |
| 08:52.19 | zoddan | ok |
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| 08:53.02 | zoddan | config.inc.php? |
| 08:53.28 | zoddan | cant find a conf file |
| 08:53.34 | zoddan | al the files is just PHP |
| 08:53.50 | mig5 | that'd be the one |
| 08:54.19 | mig5 | it'll just be a variable in that file you'll need to edit |
| 08:54.22 | mig5 | http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/Documentation.html#config |
| 08:54.24 | zoddan | ah now it works :) |
| 08:54.26 | zoddan | thanks!!! |
| 08:54.26 | zoddan | :) |
| 08:54.29 | mig5 | np |
| 08:54.58 | zoddan | mig5: the simple things is the most anyoing :P |
| 08:55.30 | mig5 | amen to that |
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| 08:59.12 | stupendousness | My kodak digital camera is not working, though detected by f-spot, It works under XP and older versions of the kernel, can anyone help me identify the problem? |
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| 09:00.12 | bolt | how can I stop whatever's doing it from adding "root: bolt" to /etc/aliases after i update something? not sure which package does this |
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| 09:02.18 | Tapout | how do you determine if your hardware supports 64b? I've got 4GB of ram but it's an older machine |
| 09:02.32 | OpenTokix | Tapout: its in the specs of the cpu |
| 09:02.37 | OpenTokix | Tapout: what cpu do you got? |
| 09:02.41 | Tapout | that's the question :) |
| 09:02.44 | Tapout | cpuinfo eh? |
| 09:02.51 | Tapout | /proc/cpu<tab> i think checking |
| 09:02.52 | OpenTokix | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:03.09 | liable | bolt: i would presume its whatever mailserver you have |
| 09:03.15 | bolt | Tapout: you can always install the bigmem kernel |
| 09:03.17 | Tapout | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz |
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| 09:04.39 | OpenTokix | Tapout: yes, its capable of x64 |
| 09:04.45 | OpenTokix | http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D |
| 09:04.58 | Tapout | ya |
| 09:05.00 | Tapout | thank you |
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| 09:07.33 | UKPbz___ | Hi All, I am trying to determine the types of memory modules in my machine. I am using Lenny and dmidecode -t 17 just returns version and says SMBIOS 2.3 present but nothing else. any ideas on how I can find out memory mod types? |
| 09:07.44 | creature_ | bogomips: 5122.84 |
| 09:07.57 | cahoot | UKPbz___: also tried decode-dimms? |
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| 09:08.44 | ronh | hi |
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| 09:10.16 | stupendousness | My kodak digital camera is not working, though detected by f-spot, It works under XP and older versions of the kernel, can anyone help me identify the problem? |
| 09:10.35 | stupendousness | f-spot "sees" the devices however fails to access it |
| 09:10.36 | UKPbz___ | decode-dimms not found and apt doesn't list it either |
| 09:11.12 | cahoot | UKPbz___: comes with lm-sensors |
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| 09:13.29 | UKPbz___ | cahoot, thnks, tried to install that and.....udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocatio |
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| 09:14.27 | UKPbz___ | now it says its installed but still doesn't show decode-dimms lol |
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| 09:22.05 | hoo-hah | hi guys. how do i automatically populate my resolv.conf when using static ip address without manually filling it in myself. Seems a rather odd request, I know, but I want something like dhclient.conf's prepend nameserver feature, but for static routes. I recall the existence of resolv.conf.tail|head, but that seems to have gone in squeeze (at least) |
| 09:23.04 | RichiH | hoo-hah: if you resolve locally, you can use rdns |
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| 09:23.22 | nsadmin | hoo-hah: there is a package called resolvconf whose net effect is to add syntax to /etc/network/interfaces which allows you to specify dns |
| 09:23.22 | hoo-hah | i resolv with opendns nameservers |
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| 09:27.12 | kasimon | Hi! By which mechanism is debian/copyright installed into usr/share/doc/<package>? I'm currently packaging a new package and changelog gets installed, but not the copyright file. |
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| 09:28.21 | kasimon | It's a plain dh_make'd library |
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| 09:29.40 | azeem | kasimon: dh_installdocs |
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| 09:30.46 | kasimon | azeem: Thanks, that was it. Since debian/docs was emtpy, i had disabled it ;-) |
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| 09:31.26 | azeem | there's no real need to disable dh_ stuff |
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| 09:34.07 | kasimon | azeem: That's when you try to do it very right ... |
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| 09:34.49 | nsadmin | if you leave it in, what does it do? |
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| 09:35.21 | hoo-hah | nsadmin: thanks. It looks like resolv.conf.(head|tail) was moved to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/ |
| 09:35.30 | hoo-hah | but I chose to augment my interfaces file instead |
| 09:36.23 | hoo-hah | do i still need to ifdown-then-up the devices to get resolv.conf populated without a reboot? |
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| 09:37.15 | _Kuba | hi |
| 09:37.22 | hoo-hah | or just a simple restart of resolvconf init script |
| 09:37.45 | hoo-hah | nope- doesn't appear to work |
| 09:37.45 | nsadmin | I think so, you might test it anyway... but if you don't want to do that now, just alter resolv.conf yourself |
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| 09:38.40 | _Kuba | when I install debian (graphically) and choose "Desktop environment" would it be GNOME/KDE/something else? |
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| 09:39.11 | ronh | on a default graphic install it would be gnome |
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| 09:40.18 | nsadmin | but you can also not choose "Desktop environment" and aptitude install kde if that's what you want |
| 09:40.19 | _Kuba | ronh: ok, then if I want KDE should change to Advanced Graphical? |
| 09:40.24 | hoo-hah | nsadmin: okay. ..networking restart performs expectedly |
| 09:40.27 | hoo-hah | cheers |
| 09:41.11 | _Kuba | nsadmin: so I would stay with two environments, yeah? |
| 09:41.40 | mgt | Go for the expert install and when it comes to package selection and install the DE after the installation. |
| 09:41.41 | nsadmin | I'm just saying you can pick which one you want |
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| 09:42.50 | ronh | _Kuba, just choose Advanced options>Alternative desktop environment from the cd menu |
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| 09:43.21 | nsadmin | well which one do you want? do you want kde? or gnome? neither? both? |
| 09:43.34 | _Kuba | kde |
| 09:43.51 | mgt | Just choose the KDE option under "Alternative desktop environment." |
| 09:43.52 | nsadmin | ahh, then you have a few choices as to how to do that |
| 09:44.02 | mgt | Bit bloated by default though. |
| 09:44.36 | gigo | I have installed wvdial and currently I am running wvdial by executing the wvdial command from the shell? |
| 09:44.39 | nsadmin | thinks desktop envs are the definition of bloat... having said that, I'm running kde... |
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| 09:44.56 | gigo | is there any init script for it it so that I can do /etc/init.d/wvdial start? |
| 09:45.44 | mgt | If you wanted KDE, I think it'd be better to do a minimal install then get kde-core and build it up from there, but that's just me. |
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| 09:48.23 | _Kuba | ronh: btw there is no such option in cd menu ;] |
| 09:48.32 | mgt | What CD did you download? |
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| 09:49.13 | ronh | There should be on Debian5 netinstall cd |
| 09:49.22 | _Kuba | mgt: deb-501-i386-CD-1 |
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| 09:49.52 | mgt | Go for the netinstall or business card install CD. |
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| 09:50.58 | _Kuba | ok, so it is not possible to install kde from debian "normal" installer directly (only apt-get after install)? |
| 09:51.18 | omid8bimo | please help. something is eating my bandwith |
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| 09:51.37 | omid8bimo | i don't what is using my internet. sending or receiveing |
| 09:51.51 | mgt | The "Normal" installer uses GNOME as default. |
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| 09:52.11 | _Kuba | yep, ok |
| 09:52.24 | omid8bimo | how can i see what is sending packets over my wlan0 interface? network monitor applet shows a huge network traffic which suddenly started |
| 09:52.33 | mgt | There are a complete set of KDE CDs if you want them. |
| 09:53.15 | cahoot | omid8bimo: netstat? |
| 09:53.22 | _Kuba | ie. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ? :) |
| 09:53.45 | mgt | Yeah, that one. It installs quite a lot though, and you may or may not like that. |
| 09:53.48 | omid8bimo | cahoot: which netstat line? huge output i c. some listening some established |
| 09:53.50 | Selveste1 | omid8bimo: apt-get install wireshark and se what happens on wlan0 |
| 09:54.09 | omid8bimo | one of those esteblished are working in the background |
| 09:54.26 | omid8bimo | but which one and how can i kill a network connection link? |
| 09:55.28 | _Kuba | mgt, ronh: thanks guys, gonna try netinst |
| 09:55.35 | ronh | np |
| 09:55.43 | ronh | if you get any problem, let us know |
| 09:55.55 | mgt | Good luck. |
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| 09:59.18 | groulder | if i've stuffed a few core packages on a debian system |
| 09:59.26 | groulder | does anyone know how i can use finnix to fix it? |
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| 10:03.43 | gigo | I have installed wvdial. is there any init script for it it so that I can do /etc/init.d/wvdial start? |
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| 10:14.02 | _Kuba | ronh, mgt: you were right - there is option (Alternative DE) in netinst |
| 10:14.44 | _Kuba | ;] |
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| 10:17.28 | gndPelikan | can someone please take a look at my .xsession-errors file http://pastebin.com/f98c7bd3 and tell me why kde4 doesn't start? |
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| 10:21.26 | Mikey^ | Hi |
| 10:21.48 | Mikey^ | I downloaded and compiled 2.6.30 version on linux kernel |
| 10:22.16 | Mikey^ | Now when I boot up I get an error Fatal : cant load modules /lib/2.6.30/ |
| 10:22.30 | JPT | yeah.. i get that everytime... |
| 10:22.35 | JPT | but i don't know how to fix it |
| 10:22.42 | cahoot | Mikey^: used kernelpackage? |
| 10:22.56 | JPT | make-kpkg? |
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| 10:23.06 | Mikey^ | cahoot: no |
| 10:23.18 | cahoot | Mikey^: I'd suggest you do that |
| 10:23.20 | Mikey^ | cahoot: remember I needed to install a newer kernel to support my webcam |
| 10:23.28 | Mikey^ | 2.6.30 |
| 10:24.01 | Mikey^ | whats kernel pacakge ? |
| 10:24.17 | nsadmin | packages.debian.org |
| 10:24.33 | cahoot | Mikey^: /msg dpkg kp |
| 10:24.37 | nsadmin | should be in there somewhere :) |
| 10:24.50 | scream_ | MiGueLL_, also you can read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
| 10:25.04 | JPT | so make-kpkg is the kernel-package? |
| 10:25.14 | scream_ | sorry, that was meant for Mikey^ :) |
| 10:25.16 | stupendousness | Can you anyone help me why my digital camera is not working.? It worked under older kernel versions. |
| 10:26.13 | stupendousness | f-spot "sees" the devices however fails to access it |
| 10:26.31 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 10:26.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 10:27.08 | stupendousness | nsadmin: is that addressed to me ? |
| 10:27.36 | stupendousness | lsusb shows the camera being plugged and detected |
| 10:27.37 | nsadmin | stupendousness: was your statement vague and lacking information? |
| 10:27.50 | stupendousness | nsadmin: depends on the point of view |
| 10:28.01 | stupendousness | I'll try to be as forthcoming as I can be |
| 10:28.17 | stupendousness | f-spot detects the camera model |
| 10:28.21 | nsadmin | that would be helpful, thanks. |
| 10:28.33 | stupendousness | how it shows "unexpected error" |
| 10:28.46 | stupendousness | I'm unaware how to pin-point to root of the problem |
| 10:29.00 | Mikey^ | cahoot: I have installed kernel-package, now what |
| 10:29.04 | stupendousness | I can confirm that it worked under older and newer kernels |
| 10:29.18 | stupendousness | as well both XP and Vista, all 'out of the box' |
| 10:29.44 | nsadmin | (this is not your doing but) "unexpected error" is vague too... besides, the alternative is what, "expected error"? |
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| 10:30.17 | cahoot | Mikey^: here's one of many howtos from google: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 10:30.28 | Mikey^ | thanks! |
| 10:30.33 | stupendousness | nsadmin: perhaps an error like ..."missing library" or usb failure |
| 10:30.55 | nsadmin | yeah, it would be nicer if it told what the problem was |
| 10:31.01 | stupendousness | nsadmin: what else do you think may help determine the issue? |
| 10:31.30 | stupendousness | yes but it didn't, neither did dmesg |
| 10:31.53 | nsadmin | dunno, but I'm guessing (guessing bad. but here goes...) that this unexpected error was during negotiation between driver and camera |
| 10:33.12 | stupendousness | this is what lsusb shows: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 040a:057b Kodak Co. CX7430 |
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| 10:33.26 | nsadmin | is that correct? |
| 10:33.43 | cahoot | stupendousness: tried gphoto2 --auto-detect? |
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| 10:34.04 | g00se | Does pidgin have its own 'sounds'? |
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| 10:35.10 | stupendousness | nsadmin: it is |
| 10:35.19 | stupendousness | cahoot: yes: here it is: |
| 10:35.20 | stupendousness | Kodak CX7430 usb: |
| 10:35.21 | stupendousness | Kodak CX7430 usb:001,005 |
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| 10:36.28 | cahoot | stupendousness: rgrep 057b /etc/udev |
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| 10:37.18 | stupendousness | cahoot: does not return anything |
| 10:37.22 | cahoot | stupendousness: should be listed in 025_libgphoto2.rules |
| 10:37.53 | cahoot | /etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules:ATTRS{idVendor}=="040a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="057b", MODE="0664", GROUP="plugdev" |
| 10:38.27 | stupendousness | when I start f-spot from a terminal and I click "import" for it to access the camera - here's what it returns (in the terminal) |
| 10:38.30 | stupendousness | Error GeneraError: LibGPhoto2.GPhotoException: Unspecified error |
| 10:38.31 | stupendousness | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.48 | cahoot | even as root? |
| 10:39.13 | stupendousness | user, let me try with root |
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| 10:40.40 | stupendousness | cahoot: root as well |
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| 10:41.43 | stupendousness | I entered your /etc/udev.... still the same |
| 10:42.34 | cahoot | stupendousness: IIRC you need udevadm trigger to reread the rules |
| 10:42.42 | g00se | There must be some pidgin fanciers here... |
| 10:43.14 | ronh | What do you mean its own sounds? |
| 10:43.23 | g00se | Sound files |
| 10:43.54 | g00se | ronh: I'm wondering if they're in another package |
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| 10:44.55 | g00se | ronh: It seems it doesn't. They could be elsewhere |
| 10:45.33 | ronh | What package did you install? |
| 10:45.45 | stupendousness | cahoot: I'm not sure what that means. |
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| 10:46.26 | g00se | ronh: pidgin. Do you use it? |
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| 10:46.30 | cahoot | stupendousness: IIRC you need to run 'udevadm trigger' to reread the udev rules |
| 10:46.53 | ronh | Yes on windows xp though. Does sound work in general on your system? |
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| 10:49.20 | g00se | ronh: Sound works generally yes. Seems there are a limited no. of sound file in pidgin-data, also installed |
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| 10:50.12 | ronh | I'll download it and see what's wrong |
| 10:51.21 | g00se | ronh: Very kind of you if not too much trouble. You can hang on if you want though - may be something to do with the command i've chosen |
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| 10:52.48 | xororand | I'm trying to boot from an encrypted ext4 / with Debian's standard initramfs-tools. Opening the encrypted drive works, but the init script tries to mount it as ext3 and of course fails. How can I tell Debian's initramfs-tools to mount it as ext4? |
| 10:53.49 | stupendousness | cahoot: continues showing the same error |
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| 10:54.24 | cahoot | stupendousness: figures since root didn't have any better luck |
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| 10:54.57 | stupendousness | cahoot: can you suggest any sort of remedy ? |
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| 10:57.20 | g00se | ronh: were you thinking of installing it on lenny? |
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| 10:57.56 | cahoot | stupendousness: gphoto2 -T fails too? |
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| 11:00.58 | stupendousness | cahoot: yes, that fails too, shows errors, and gphoto2 -T --debug shows a very long error log, do you need to logs? |
| 11:01.12 | cahoot | stupendousness: oh no |
| 11:01.37 | stupendousness | I meant do you need the logs |
| 11:02.30 | stupendousness | *** Error *** |
| 11:02.30 | stupendousness | PTP I/O error |
| 11:02.33 | cahoot | stupendousness: no thanks - if it's like you say other kernels handle the camera fine |
| 11:02.41 | stupendousness | yes.. |
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| 11:03.23 | stupendousness | An error occurred in the io-library ('Unspecified error'): No error description available |
| 11:03.39 | cahoot | stupendousness: built you own kernels? |
| 11:03.53 | stupendousness | cahoot: nope |
| 11:04.19 | cahoot | stupendousness: you said both older and newer kernels handle it fine? |
| 11:04.29 | stupendousness | (I have much to slower cpu to compile custom kernel) |
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| 11:04.44 | stupendousness | yes, like 2.6.24 worked fine |
| 11:04.53 | stupendousness | and 2.6.29 works fine |
| 11:05.01 | stupendousness | this one 2.6.28 does not |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'frends' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.42 | cahoot | stupendousness: 2.6.29 gives you other problems? |
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| 11:06.35 | stupendousness | cahoot: no, the only non-working kernel is 2.6.28, .24 and .29 work just fine |
| 11:06.51 | ronh | g00se, I installed it on sid |
| 11:06.55 | cahoot | stupendousness: so... why not use 2.6.29? |
| 11:07.07 | ronh | though my sound doesn't work at all |
| 11:07.36 | stupendousness | cahoot: I only tested it on a 2.6.29 system, I have to build custom kernel to get 2.29 ... |
| 11:07.38 | ronh | any idea where are the sound files located? |
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| 11:08.00 | stupendousness | *.29 |
| 11:08.15 | g00se | pdigin-data puts them in /usr/share/sounds/purple/ |
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| 11:08.54 | cahoot | stupendousness: ok - I don't know how to solve your problem - sorry |
| 11:08.57 | g00se | There's a bit of 'confusion' i think over gaim/pidgin/purple i think |
| 11:08.59 | stupendousness | cahoot: anyway thanks for taking the time to help out. I'll just leave it. |
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| 11:10.56 | ronh | right |
| 11:11.00 | ronh | there are 5 files there |
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| 11:12.27 | ronh | did you try to set the sound paths manually from the pidgin options menu? |
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| 11:12.51 | g00se | ronh: Yep, but if i test through Tools|Preferences|Sounds nothing much happens |
| 11:15.21 | ronh | hm, as a last resort, did you try to set a custom command to play a sound? |
| 11:16.00 | g00se | ronh: Yes. Only thing that makes any noise at all is when Sound Method is 'Console Beep' |
| 11:16.28 | g00se | ronh: Are *you* getting sound after pressing the Test button? |
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| 11:16.53 | ronh | let me install Alsa and see |
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| 11:22.47 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 11:22.48 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.9-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 |
| 11:22.59 | jelly-home | !tracker of doom |
| 11:23.00 | dpkg | hmm... tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
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| 11:24.49 | liable | hmm, havent seen that one before |
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| 11:28.14 | ronh | g00se, sorry buy sound doesn't work at all on my system for some reason |
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| 11:29.29 | g00se | ronh: Well thanks for trying |
| 11:29.43 | ronh | let me try another thing though |
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| 11:32.19 | ronh | when I try a custom command, it seems to execute it |
| 11:32.30 | ronh | what did you try on custom command? |
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| 11:33.32 | Arafangion | In an sh script, how do I ensure that if any one command fails, the whole script errors out? (Or is this the default?) |
| 11:33.52 | enouf | Arafangion: use || ? |
| 11:34.34 | enouf | gah .. i mean && i guess .. sorry |
| 11:34.55 | Arafangion | enouf: At the end of every line in the script, followed by a backspace? |
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| 11:35.22 | nkuttler | Arafangion: define fail |
| 11:35.24 | enouf | heh .. i know what you mean, but no.. hrm .. |
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| 11:36.15 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Returns an exit status other than zero... How else? |
| 11:36.31 | nkuttler | Arafangion: check the return value |
| 11:36.40 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Again, for every single frigging line? |
| 11:37.05 | nkuttler | Arafangion: cmd || blah |
| 11:37.09 | enouf | Arafangion: and define 'the whole script'; since previous commands that ran within the script obviously won't fail ... however |
| 11:37.23 | g00se | ronh: /usr/bin/aplay |
| 11:37.25 | nkuttler | Arafangion: and yes, check for every frigging command. that's what proper programming is |
| 11:37.32 | jleedev | andy_js: set -e |
| 11:37.37 | jleedev | Arafangion: set -e |
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| 11:37.46 | enouf | Arafangion: you could do things like use set -x for testing along the way |
| 11:37.49 | Arafangion | jleedev: Exactly what I was after, thanks. |
| 11:37.59 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Proper programming is eliminating repetition. |
| 11:38.13 | jleedev | proper programming is finding exactly the right language for the job |
| 11:38.18 | nkuttler | considers -e sloppy |
| 11:38.23 | ronh | g00se, try /usr/bin/aplay %s |
| 11:38.39 | enouf | does help set to see what -e does |
| 11:38.46 | Arafangion | jleedev: There is that... However the alternative is perl in this situation. |
| 11:38.46 | g00se | ronh: I did /usr/bin/aplay "%s" |
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| 11:38.56 | Arafangion | (Hmm, which isn't actually such a terrible idea...) |
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| 11:39.10 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Why is -e sloppy? |
| 11:39.53 | g00se | ronh: LOL. Leaving out the quotes makes it work ;-) |
| 11:39.58 | nkuttler | Arafangion: well, i can't really comment on your case unless i know what you're doing |
| 11:39.59 | enouf | seems apropos |
| 11:40.01 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Arguably, isn't this what most languages (with exception handling) do? If there's an error, an exception is raised, aborting the whole process unless it's caught. |
| 11:40.16 | ronh | haha good |
| 11:40.29 | nkuttler | errors should give useful error messages |
| 11:40.47 | enouf | exit immediately doesn't mean prior commands (within the same script) did not execute |
| 11:40.48 | g00se | ronh: Thanks vvv much for the support |
| 11:40.50 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 11:41.01 | ronh | hey, it's no problem |
| 11:41.03 | Arafangion | nkuttler: What I am doing is executing build scripts, and the particular script I'm writing is because it's more convenient to do it in the script than to do it in the Makefile. |
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| 11:41.20 | nkuttler | hmmm |
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| 11:42.15 | enouf | Arafangion: be aware, and i'm obviously not sure, but consider any/all errors that might've otherwise been thrown to stdout/stderr .. ask about that aspect |
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| 11:42.39 | enouf | Arafangion: i mean; when using set -e (or even -ex) |
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| 11:43.24 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm ignoring them, if it was a serious error then it damn well should've resulted in an error condition (ie, didn't return EXIT_SUCCESS), that said, the error will eventually become obvious by the time the tests are executed. |
| 11:43.47 | jleedev | throwing errors to the screen is for the user's benefit; the machine only benefits if your script properly returns error conditions |
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| 11:44.22 | enouf | i'm talking for the 'debugging scripts' aspect |
| 11:44.25 | Arafangion | enouf: Where did you find the documentation for 'set'? |
| 11:44.35 | enouf | Arafangion: 'help set' |
| 11:44.45 | enouf | Arafangion: man bash-builtins |
| 11:45.07 | Arafangion | Thanks. :) |
| 11:45.13 | Arafangion | I don't want set -x then. :) |
| 11:45.18 | enouf | heh |
| 11:45.24 | Arafangion | Waaaay too verbose. |
| 11:45.47 | enouf | Arafangion: it's quite useful in .postinst and even /etc/init.d/ scripts at times |
| 11:45.59 | enouf | right |
| 11:46.04 | Arafangion | enouf: For /etc/init.d scripts, absolutely. |
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| 11:46.51 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm writing a bootstrapper (ie, download gcc, binutils, etc, and then compile them...) |
| 11:47.13 | enouf | you go girl :-p |
| 11:47.51 | enouf | Arafangion: listen - in perl? have you been to #perl (and even #bash for bash related things obviously) |
| 11:48.51 | Arafangion | enouf: Heh, I'm avoiding bash too. :) |
| 11:48.59 | Arafangion | wants to use sh. |
| 11:49.08 | Arafangion | But in this case, I should've just gone to #bash. |
| 11:49.34 | maligor | rebel, use ksh |
| 11:50.10 | enouf | Arafangion: make sure you use the #!/bin/sh header .. though IIRC, that's _only_required_ in debian for any/all init.d/ scripts that are named filename.sh ? |
| 11:50.32 | Arafangion | maligor: I've been considering ksh or ash, actually, but haven't decided yet. |
| 11:50.50 | Arafangion | maligor: I'm leaning towards ash, for some reason, though I know next to nothing about either. |
| 11:51.01 | Arafangion | (dash, not ash...) |
| 11:51.40 | maligor | ksh has lots of builtin stuff |
| 11:51.42 | Arafangion | enouf: I'm definetly doing the hash-bang thing... :) |
| 11:51.51 | enouf | yikes; ~$ rgrep -l '/bin/sh' /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:52.12 | enouf | though i guess i should be checking the 1st line only ... hrm |
| 11:52.18 | Arafangion | maligor: Indeed. I wonder which one starts faster. |
| 11:52.29 | maligor | dash is much more minimal I think |
| 11:52.51 | maligor | startup time is probably trivial with both :P |
| 11:52.51 | enouf | dash is supposedly POSIX compliant? |
| 11:53.07 | Arafangion | maligor: That's why I'm tending to go towards dash... It's been known to significantly reduce boot times compared to bash. (Not sure if that says much, though...) |
| 11:53.27 | maligor | I find that suspect |
| 11:53.35 | Arafangion | enouf: When people say that, they usually mean "has fewer extensions". |
| 11:53.35 | enouf | Arafangion: you are aware of the debian typical /bin/sh -> bash symlink? ;-) |
| 11:53.42 | Arafangion | enouf: Yes. |
| 11:53.47 | enouf | ok |
| 11:53.59 | Arafangion | enouf: Some people do change that to go to dash, infact, that's done by default in Ubuntu, iirc. |
| 11:54.19 | Arafangion | (I'd imagine changing that in debian would cause... quite a number of issues) |
| 11:54.25 | maligor | hmm.. would it? |
| 11:54.26 | enouf | Arafangion: yes, fewer 'peculiarities' and broader overall support on all the various unices? |
| 11:54.42 | enouf | maligor: indeed, it would |
| 11:54.46 | Arafangion | maligor: bash's sh emulation isn't strictly sh. |
| 11:54.47 | maligor | now I'm really tempted to try and see |
| 11:55.00 | maligor | I know, but if you has bashisms, you should use #!/bin/bash anyway |
| 11:55.05 | enouf | oh .. dash .. i thought he said altering it to 'sh' |
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| 11:55.30 | Arafangion | maligor: I'm /avoiding/ bashisms... |
| 11:55.33 | plugwash | Changing /bin/sh to dash is supposed to be ok in debian but iirc there are still some buggy packages that assume it is bash |
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| 11:55.50 | enouf | which naturally doens't have those bash extensions available |
| 11:56.14 | Guerin | 1sh should be enough for anyone! |
| 11:56.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 11:56.37 | enouf | IINM, there was a nice push to alter it to dash for startup scripts (think init.d/) due to speed gains .. not sure |
| 11:56.52 | enouf | TrueDD: yo-yo ma! :-p |
| 11:57.08 | TrueDD | hi enouf :) |
| 11:57.14 | TrueDD | how are you ? |
| 11:57.31 | Arafangion | curses GNU Make. |
| 11:57.40 | enouf | TrueDD: not bad, and you? i just haven't said 'hello' to you in many moons :-P |
| 11:57.52 | Arafangion | I wonder if one can tell make not to echo every frigging command it executes, while still echoing whatever those comments echo? |
| 11:58.12 | maligor | I think I've seen that done |
| 11:58.19 | maligor | not sure what black magic they used tho |
| 11:58.24 | enouf | oh boy .. here we go ... lessons in Makefile usages :-) |
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| 11:58.34 | maligor | heh |
| 11:59.02 | TrueDD | enouf, lol |
| 11:59.22 | Arafangion | See... I either want it to echo everything, /except/ commands that are allowed to fail, or echo nothing except what I've explicitly told it to echo, and the results of any scripts. |
| 12:00.04 | Arafangion | ponders making a wrapper script that merely calls rm -rf build-dir, but doesn't actually return an error if it already exists. |
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| 12:00.14 | ronh | some commands can be run silenced |
| 12:00.30 | enouf | i guess you could play with stdout/stderr redirection from within whichever shell the script runs in? there might be a cleaner way i suppose |
| 12:00.41 | Arafangion | ronh: Yes, but is the fact that it failed silenced? |
| 12:00.59 | claint | did you try it? |
| 12:01.18 | ronh | like rm -f |
| 12:01.24 | ronh | that makes it shut up |
| 12:01.37 | enouf | i have redirected kernel building output so i didn't get thousands of pages of output, yes ;-) |
| 12:01.49 | Arafangion | example-rule: example-dependency <NEWLINE> -rm -rf foo <NEWLINE> tar -xf foo.tar.bz2 |
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| 12:02.09 | maligor | http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/old/texinfo/make/make.html#SEC43 |
| 12:02.18 | maligor | google helps |
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| 12:02.31 | hoschy | hi all |
| 12:02.31 | Arafangion | If 'foo' does not exist, I do not want to see that there was an error that was squashed. |
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| 12:03.00 | hoschy | i dont really good speak english but i have a problem with my squid server, can you help me? |
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| 12:03.09 | Arafangion | And no, -@ doesn't work either. :) |
| 12:03.36 | enouf | hoschy: what's your native language; but sure, we can try to help |
| 12:03.42 | hoschy | german |
| 12:03.50 | enouf | hoschy: which Debian release are you running? |
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| 12:03.53 | enouf | !de |
| 12:03.53 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 12:03.53 | hoschy | i hope it |
| 12:03.57 | Arafangion | enouf: My native language is becomming Auslan... :( |
| 12:04.06 | Arafangion | enouf: No irc channel exists for that language! |
| 12:04.06 | hoschy | there i becam no help |
| 12:04.06 | enouf | heh |
| 12:04.23 | pundito | he |
| 12:04.23 | hoschy | enouf debian etch 4.0 |
| 12:04.31 | Guerin | your english seems better than some native speakers' |
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| 12:04.38 | Guerin | so just try :) |
| 12:04.50 | hoschy | i want use squid with two ports |
| 12:04.59 | enouf | hoschy: ok - there are a few IRC _networks_ also as dpkg mentioned |
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| 12:05.06 | hoschy | port 3128 allow all from ip 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:05.14 | Arafangion | Guerin: True... My English is my mother tongue and my first language - although it is considered exceptionally formal. |
| 12:05.21 | hoschy | port 3129 i want to use https |
| 12:05.25 | enouf | Guerin: heh - indeed |
| 12:05.33 | sudeepk | hey any got a complex problem which takes lot of time to get a solution in octave .i have just built cluster and i have gnu-octave to do testing |
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| 12:05.49 | enouf | https uses 443 IIRC? |
| 12:06.04 | hoschy | i have install webcleaner, my webcleaner cant use https but i need the content web filter |
| 12:06.06 | Arafangion | sudeepk: You could generate the next merseene prime. :) |
| 12:06.08 | enouf | grep https /etc/services ? |
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| 12:06.40 | hoschy | so i want "all http" over port 8080 to webcleaner form there to squid and than to the internet |
| 12:06.43 | TrueDD | 443 |
| 12:07.03 | pundito | i have a problem with X. All X things work quite poorly (slow) on my Lenny. Its not cpu or ram, its rather the setup of X ( Joe's Window Manager, btw). /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows several warnings (it even had errors, it seems i could fix these). where can i get help in this case? |
| 12:07.18 | hoschy | squid allow all form 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:07.20 | Arafangion | Guerin: Besides with language... It's not a matter of which you're most familiar with... It's which you and your speaker are most fluent in. |
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| 12:07.38 | hoschy | but squid soll allow "https connections" from 192.168.0.* |
| 12:07.58 | hoschy | and the other connections from 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:08.09 | hoschy | i hope you understand me |
| 12:08.34 | enouf | hoschy: just to note; you might want to try ##networking , and/or any #squid related channels? I don't know what 'webcleaner' is, but i'm sure someone here does -- also; i personally likely can not help you much with those issues |
| 12:08.39 | pundito | hoschy type "should", spell similar to "soll" |
| 12:08.58 | sudeepk | anyone worked on Octave? |
| 12:09.03 | hoschy | enouf webcleaner is an web content filter |
| 12:09.10 | hoschy | its a proxy |
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| 12:11.17 | enouf | pundito: is X using direct rendering? 'glxinfo | grep -i direct' and pastebin output of "egrep 'EE|drv' /var/log/Xorg.0/log" and lspci -nnk | grep VGA for starters |
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| 12:12.12 | sudeepk | how can you install a live cd which doesnt have installer option |
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| 12:12.54 | enouf | QEMU ? |
| 12:13.24 | hoschy | i need => squid listen on port 3129 an on this port squid allow https but not http and on port 3128 squid allow http but not https |
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| 12:14.21 | sudeepk | can we install using QEMU? |
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| 12:14.33 | aoupi | hi, I have an apt question. I have an unofficial repo I want one package from, but it has like 4 other packages, is there anyway to tell apt to not get thoose packages from that repo? |
| 12:14.57 | aoupi | without ending up freezing the current version in the normal repo |
| 12:15.14 | enouf | i'm not certain actually ... but .. sudeepk - checkout bootcd pkg, though that too might require a prior installation .. |
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| 12:16.43 | fritzl | hello |
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| 12:17.08 | fritzl | i have a little problem with debian on my computer, |
| 12:17.18 | kuhlz | HEIL HITLER |
| 12:17.18 | kuhlz | âââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 12:17.18 | kuhlz | âââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
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| 12:17.19 | fritzl | wol does not seem to work |
| 12:17.24 | sudeepk | enouf: have u worked on cluster's or on gnu octave |
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| 12:17.30 | fritzl | although it works in windows |
| 12:17.32 | aoupi | :D nice flood bot |
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| 12:17.39 | liable | !ops kuhlz |
| 12:17.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: kuhlz |
| 12:17.44 | kuhlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.44 | kuhlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.44 | kuhlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.44 | kuhlz | -(_______ JEWS -= DID -= WTC ) |
| 12:17.44 | kuhlz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.52 | enouf | sudeepk: no, not at all... i forgot you were the one that mentioned those things |
| 12:18.16 | enouf | ffs |
| 12:19.15 | pundito | enouf thx a lot. glxinfo is not installed, instead of installing it, is there another way to check if its direct rendering? here the output from /var/log/Xorg.0.log and lspci: http://pastebin.com/d65e87dad |
| 12:19.24 | enouf | aoupi: you might want to look into pinning |
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| 12:19.46 | sudeepk | enouf: yes, I was posting in all the rooms but no one helped me out. today i have successfully installed cluster systems in 40 nodes. |
| 12:19.47 | enouf | pundito: i think it's in mesautils pkg ... install it |
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| 12:20.04 | fritzl | could someone help me, wol doesn't work in debian but it works in windows, my nic is 3c905b-tx , ethtool reports that wol is not supported by my nick, although it is |
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| 12:20.35 | sudeepk | enouf: but now i have to test it. and only option i got is to run octave |
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| 12:21.37 | enouf | crap .. the lspci -k option isn't available in Lenny? gah |
| 12:22.28 | enouf | pundito: pastebin output of "dpkg -l libgl1-*" |
| 12:22.38 | sudeepk | lspci -k woks in lenny |
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| 12:22.49 | enouf | sudeepk: i wish i could help, but i can't |
| 12:22.53 | pundito | enouf accoding to "man lspci" -k should be available :-S |
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| 12:23.08 | enouf | pundito: ouch .. where's the output then? |
| 12:23.39 | sudeepk | enouf: its ok thanks dude... when u need info about cluster's contact me |
| 12:23.46 | enouf | pundito: sorry! |
| 12:24.11 | enouf | i suck .. i asked you to " ...| grep VGA" |
| 12:24.13 | enouf | haha |
| 12:24.37 | enouf | the kernel module info is on _other_ lines ... duh |
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| 12:24.48 | pundito | enouf this is the output of dpkg -l libg|1-*: http://pastebin.com/dbb93dd2 i am looking at the lspci now |
| 12:24.50 | enouf | sudeepk: cool |
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| 12:25.09 | enouf | pundito: FWIW, your log looks ok |
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| 12:25.28 | enouf | pundito: (no bad (EE) entries) |
| 12:25.32 | sudeepk | enouf: you got a blog or mail to contact? |
| 12:25.57 | enouf | sudeepk: not really ... but i'm always here ;-) |
| 12:26.28 | enouf | (and i'm yapping way too much atm ... i'm hungry ...) |
| 12:27.27 | sudeepk | enof: good.. i am doing my under graduation in coumputer science from india , what about u |
| 12:27.28 | enouf | pundito: your last pastebin looks good/correct - both those are installed |
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| 12:28.27 | enouf | sudeepk: for general discussion, we typically like to use #debian-offtopic .. or even #defocus ? |
| 12:28.41 | pundito | enouf first to the lspci: -l is there , however when i grep VGA then only this one line shows up. Yes, there were EE entries, i *think* i got rid of it by removing some strange gconf.xml files (i use JWM btw). however there are warnings in Xorg.0.log about the video, and this i can feel in graphical programs like firefox and pidgin... |
| 12:28.49 | enouf | sudeepk: congratulations though nonetheless ;-) |
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| 12:31.02 | sudeepk | enouf: okay dude see you later.. good night |
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| 12:35.00 | pundito | enouf however thanks a lot for showing me some hints how to check these things and looking at my pastebins. i hope i will figure out why the mouse is still sometimes stuck up for seconds , especially when using firefox in jwm ... (i had gnome by default on this lenny, and i have not uninstalled it but i am using jwm just from gdm) |
| 12:36.47 | nsadmin | mice that were stuck up were likely born into rich families... |
| 12:37.09 | gndPelikan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.09 | gndPelikan | using openchrome display driver |
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| 12:40.26 | gndPelikan | is it possible to run kde4 withough plasma? |
| 12:40.51 | enouf | pundito: (WW) in the log are generally ok ... however, i've seen some people complain using 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03) |
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| 12:41.27 | enouf | pundito: you might try the debian-user mailing list, and perhaps search bugs.debian.org (BTS) for know issues |
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| 12:41.34 | enouf | pundito: s/know/known |
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| 12:42.14 | pundito | enouf cool thx. searching for glxinfo currently... |
| 12:42.15 | enouf | pundito: i cannot say for sure, but i doubt your WM (Joe's Window Manager) has much to do with your issues |
| 12:42.36 | pundito | enouf yes. jwm is for sure not the issue. |
| 12:44.36 | enouf | pundito: then there's the #debian-x channel on irc.oftc.net (just note, it's a devel channel, so you might wait a while for an answer, or get no response at all) |
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| 12:45.14 | enouf | gndPelikan: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 12:45.38 | pundito | enouf aha, cool. have installed mesa-utils and glxinfo shows that its direct rendering |
| 12:45.55 | enouf | gndPelikan: that seems really odd .. and i would have no idea how to fix that using those things |
| 12:46.16 | enouf | pundito: says Yes? |
| 12:46.27 | jelly-home | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 12:46.28 | judd | jelly-home: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2 squeeze: 1.9.0.7-1 lenny-security: 1.9.0.9-0lenny2 sid: 1.9.0.10-1 |
| 12:46.38 | enouf | pundito: that's good - i think -- can you show me uname -r output? |
| 12:47.03 | pundito | enouf 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 12:47.03 | jelly-home | so that's how it goes, stable gets security releases and testing is left hanging |
| 12:47.10 | jelly-home | pins |
| 12:47.11 | enouf | jelly-home: is that pkg related to FF/IW issues in X? |
| 12:47.21 | enouf | oh |
| 12:47.53 | jelly-home | enouf: afaiui, that's the better half of the browser, yes |
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| 12:48.07 | enouf | oh oh! .. heh |
| 12:48.19 | jelly-home | but I'm more concerned about Firefox 3.0.11 fixing some security issues |
| 12:48.40 | enouf | pundito: do you have what "/msg dpkg security" says you should have in your sources.list? |
| 12:48.48 | enouf | jelly-home: understood |
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| 12:50.10 | enouf | judd: how do i ask you to show me only Lenny kernels? Yes, any possible backported ones as well |
| 12:50.10 | judd | enouf: Error: "how" is not a valid command. |
| 12:50.14 | enouf | heh |
| 12:50.53 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny |
| 12:50.54 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 12:51.33 | pundito | enouf i had the security updates line without "contrib non-free" in the sources.list |
| 12:51.42 | simonrvn | try adding ' lenny-backports' after 'lenny' |
| 12:51.45 | enouf | pundito: had? or have? |
| 12:51.53 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny-backports |
| 12:51.53 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- |
| 12:52.04 | enouf | simonrvn: nice try ;-) |
| 12:52.12 | jelly-home | enouf: that won't get you lenny-backports or security, I think |
| 12:52.18 | jelly-home | yeah. |
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| 12:52.49 | enouf | simonrvn: oh, 'after' Lenny? show me please? :-P |
| 12:52.49 | pundito | enouf i had it without "contrib non-free" in the sources.list and the bot here tells me to add "contrib non-free" at the end of the securities update line |
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| 12:53.49 | enouf | pundito: hrm .. it used to be contrib and non-free were NOT needed .. not sure what's going on with the entire situation - but when have you last ran apt-get update, or aptitude update? |
| 12:54.16 | abrotman | they're still not needed |
| 12:54.19 | pundito | enouf not long ago. |
| 12:54.42 | enouf | pundito: (since there's no way for the Security team to fix broken "non-free" software - that's my understanding) |
| 12:55.16 | andy_js | thats not right |
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| 12:55.32 | enouf | pundito: you're sure it's FF and that other app that's making your system 'laggy' ? |
| 12:55.53 | enouf | is willing to be corrected about the Security thing |
| 12:56.31 | voicu | is there a package that i can uninsntall to get rid of all gnome apps? |
| 12:56.50 | enouf | voicu: /msg dpkg uninstall gnome ? |
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| 12:57.21 | enouf | voicu: pretty sure you'll always have _some_ gtk things though ;p |
| 12:57.24 | mquin | g11 |
| 12:57.30 | enouf | !42 |
| 12:57.30 | dpkg | from memory, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 12:57.34 | pundito | enouf the way i see it, is that the more "X-intensive" a program is, the more it lags and gets stuck up. on the console (1-6) everything is rather ok, xterm is worse, and *graphical more intensive* programs like firefox, pidgin, totem are sometimes really bad. additionaly, in totem the menu gets blurred out very easily. its something about graphics and X |
| 12:57.53 | abrotman | on the console, the X mouse doesn't have an issue? |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | which video card? which driver? |
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| 12:58.32 | enouf | pundito: pastebin output of 'free' and you'll have to watch top/htop and ps/pstree/pstree.x11 output |
| 12:58.32 | pundito | abrotman, console 1-6 is apart from X. however it also uses keymaps, i guess... |
| 12:58.40 | voicu | enouf: yeah, i know there'll be gtk stuff installed but i don't want to have the apps |
| 12:58.46 | voicu | they just clog the menu |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | voicu: gnome or gtk ? |
| 12:59.08 | voicu | gnome |
| 12:59.08 | enouf | voicu: learn about update-menus et al ;-) |
| 12:59.26 | abrotman | voicu: you could remove libgnome* |
| 12:59.32 | enouf | what's that thing; menu.xdialog or someshit? |
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| 13:00.28 | enouf | pundito: 1st make sure no extraneous, non-needed services are running - the debian-reference can tell you all about how to do that, and much more |
| 13:00.56 | enouf | pundito: i use a pkg called 'rcconf' if i want to disable a startup service, yet leave it installed |
| 13:01.34 | enouf | pundito: /msg dpkg services ; /msg dpkg startup ; /msg dpkg rcconf (which all may be similar) and /msg dpkg grounding ;-) |
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| 13:02.05 | pundito | enouf this is 'free': http://pastebin.com/d72f7cf94 Then thanks for showing me that there is pstree.x11 . i was not aware of this |
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| 13:02.50 | enouf | pundito: things like; (as root/sudo) "lsof -i | egrep 'ESTAB|LIST'" and "netstat -tunap" might show you somethings you were unaware of |
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| 13:03.14 | enouf | pundito: i recently stumbled onto it using tab completion myself ;-) it's nice |
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| 13:03.29 | pundito | ah! :) |
| 13:04.01 | enouf | pundito: same here - 512MB RAM ;-) |
| 13:04.18 | enouf | pundito: what CPU is that? |
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| 13:04.53 | enouf | pundito: cat /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg will tell you |
| 13:04.57 | pundito | enouf intel atom on a netbook |
| 13:05.01 | enouf | ... |
| 13:05.07 | abrotman | pundito: do you notice the system having slowdowns when not in X ? |
| 13:05.22 | enouf | throws arms in the air and runs away screaming |
| 13:05.24 | abrotman | pundito: have you tried to use some of the intel driver options mentioned in the man page? |
| 13:05.36 | pundito | abrotman in what man page? |
| 13:05.41 | enouf | man intel |
| 13:05.41 | abrotman | man intel ? |
| 13:06.03 | enouf | wins (for today only, and not by much) |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | not here :) |
| 13:06.45 | enouf | !lagsmite abrotman |
| 13:06.45 | dpkg | goes to the kitchen, puts on a pot of coffee, takes a leak, scratches her head, and then smites abrotman. |
| 13:06.58 | abrotman | yeah .. because i'm the guy with a PII and 512MB of RAM :) |
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| 13:06.59 | jelly-home | her? |
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| 13:07.04 | pundito | abrotman i have to try this, to shut down X and work on the console . good idea, should have done this already |
| 13:07.14 | enouf | jelly-home: yes, he's a she :-p |
| 13:07.14 | abrotman | someone should have suggested it awhile ago ... |
| 13:07.31 | pundito | abrotman previously i was only trying the console while x was still running |
| 13:08.02 | enouf | pundito: but if Console works fine while X *is* running ... i see no point |
| 13:08.11 | enouf | but ok |
| 13:08.19 | abrotman | because X responds slowly? |
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| 13:08.42 | enouf | abrotman: yes, it appears the more eye candy or GUI-related things start dragging it down |
| 13:08.52 | pundito | enouf "throws arms in the air and runs away screaming" have i missed something? |
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| 13:09.04 | abrotman | he says .. but did you ask him which applications that means? |
| 13:09.04 | enouf | and mouse response crawls to a stop for seconds at a time |
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| 13:09.13 | enouf | yes, FF/IW and another |
| 13:09.21 | abrotman | how about OO ? |
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| 13:09.36 | abrotman | or epiphany/konq ? |
| 13:09.38 | enouf | pundito: not really - just Intel atoms, i know nothing about those ... |
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| 13:10.12 | enouf | pundito: which other (X only?) apps also exibit the system lag |
| 13:10.56 | pundito | abrotman: strangely enough OO is working rather fine. really bad is totem, followed by firefox... |
| 13:11.01 | pundito | *iceweasel* |
| 13:11.10 | enouf | abrotman: btw - glxinfo shows direct rendering Yes ; and both libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} are installed properly |
| 13:11.32 | abrotman | pundito: epiphany? abiword? |
| 13:11.58 | enouf | abrotman: also. FWIW; 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03) |
| 13:11.59 | abrotman | did he install X/gnome with `aptitude install xorg gnome` ? |
| 13:12.04 | enouf | er add a leading 0 |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:12.45 | enouf | pundito: ever show me output of lspci -nnk? forget the grep VGA |
| 13:12.47 | pundito | abrotman . good point. i am checking epiphany and it works 10x better than iceweasel. i have heard that from a friend who has a similar issue ... |
| 13:12.48 | abrotman | does he have xsession errors? anything in dmesg? (possibly something like a dbus failure?) |
| 13:13.45 | rednammoc1 | hi guys. my pc change his ip-address after a while whereas i changed /etc/network/interfaces in the way that it only use a static ip. everytime it changes it gets the same ip-adress. for example. the static ip is 192.168.0.2 and after a while it jumps to 192.168.0.227. |
| 13:13.59 | jelly-home | with those intel(4) driven cards, it's always interesting to note which one of 2-3 acceleration methods available is used |
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| 13:14.34 | jelly-home | there's, XAA, EXA, UXA. :-| |
| 13:14.47 | enouf | abrotman: why do i think it's more of a kernel module, or xorg module, or .. the removed 915resolution pkg and integration of the i8xx into the intel_drv.so ? |
| 13:14.58 | enouf | i810? |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | you could have him try the vesa driver |
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| 13:16.14 | pundito | enouf this is lspci -nnk without VGA: http://pastebin.com/d20f4b55 |
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| 13:16.42 | enouf | pundito: also pastebin entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log please |
| 13:16.52 | abrotman | ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 13:16.52 | apt | /.xsession-errors is, like, quite common |
| 13:16.59 | abrotman | apt: shut up |
| 13:16.59 | apt | as you wish, master abrotman |
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| 13:18.37 | enouf | hrm .. should a PCIe integrated be using 'agpgart-intel'? |
| 13:18.39 | _Kuba | ronh, mgt: actually there are some problems with netinst @ vmware; now trying that kde-dedicated CD |
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| 13:19.59 | enouf | i think jelly-home is also onto something - thing is, Lenny has a older version of Xorg and i have no idea which of those he should be using with which versions |
| 13:20.10 | pundito | and this is /var/log/xorg.0.log : http://pastebin.com/d307d2e41 |
| 13:20.54 | abrotman | enouf: but that card is based on something a few years old, and Xorg does know what it is |
| 13:20.57 | enouf | pundito: great - one more ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:21.00 | abrotman | has he tried to use 'vesa' yet ? |
| 13:21.24 | enouf | abrotman: i doubt it (vesa) |
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| 13:21.47 | abrotman | i mean .. if you think it's a driver problem, switching to vesa might make that more obvious |
| 13:22.03 | enouf | but there's no way the performance of VESA is going to be better than intel_drv.so ... |
| 13:22.15 | enouf | sure - i concur |
| 13:23.04 | abrotman | i didn't say the driver performance would be better .. but it might exhibit different activity |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | so if it is an intel driver problem ... |
| 13:25.25 | pundito | enouf and abrotman: first it was premature to say that epiphany works better than iceweasel here. this was just my very first and false impression. secondly, what i *think*, is that there *was* some issue with xkbmap, as it showed an error (EE) in xorg.0.log. after googleing that i found i could delete some strange gconf.xml files in ~/.gconf and after removing these files obviously the keyboard does not seem to lag. what still lags is the mouse. it will be a |
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| 13:25.50 | enouf | (==) intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration (==) intel(0): Enabling EXA render acceleration |
| 13:26.01 | abrotman | pundito: you got cut off |
| 13:26.08 | pundito | ? |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | lags is the mouse. it will be <end> |
| 13:26.57 | pundito | <end>? |
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| 13:32.43 | pundito | excuse me, where have you found the xsession-errors? i cant see that. |
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| 13:33.06 | hoschy | hi all |
| 13:33.18 | hoschy | i want to upgrade to lenny |
| 13:33.25 | hoschy | now i have this problem => http://nopaste.info/9946dcbe46.html |
| 13:33.40 | adb | cat .xsession-errors |
| 13:33.59 | hoschy | its my homeserver, not X |
| 13:34.02 | enouf | pundito: great - one more ~/.xsession-errors (/home/username/,xsession-errors) |
| 13:34.13 | hoschy | oh sry |
| 13:34.14 | hoschy | *g* |
| 13:34.42 | abrotman | pundito: you might not have that file |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | hoschy: is mysql running when you do that? |
| 13:35.18 | hoschy | all was running |
| 13:35.20 | pundito | i do, i am looking in .xsession-errors. but how can u see that? |
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| 13:35.28 | hoschy | i have type apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | !lenny release notes |
| 13:35.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 13:36.33 | enouf | pundito: you might have some synaptic driver issues (as fas as mouse) - so a) try to determine / eliminate that as possible cause b) edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try using Driver "vesa" instead of "intel" c) try various EXA, XAA, UXA options, and other like mayve EDID, UseNoFB, etc that are found in your man intel pages |
| 13:36.49 | kamp2tux | in CLI, I use su command to logon as root, but I cannot use the same command "su" to logon with other user account? how can i go about it, TQ, I am newbie. |
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| 13:37.05 | enouf | pundito: make sure you use c) only when using Driver "intel" in xorg.conf |
| 13:37.17 | abrotman | kamp2tux: su - <otherusername> |
| 13:37.21 | pundito | ah, my previous question was not, that i am looking for my xsession-errors but how you could see that |
| 13:37.36 | enouf | pundito: i know you haven't checked all of BTS yet - do that too |
| 13:37.39 | pundito | enouf THX! cool. i will have to go through man intel first... |
| 13:37.46 | hoschy | -.- |
| 13:38.09 | enouf | !drxx |
| 13:38.09 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 13:39.32 | pundito | enouf that makes perfect sense. thx! |
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| 13:40.39 | enouf | pundito: the filename starts with a dot - so "less .xsession-errors" |
| 13:40.41 | enouf | ~$ ll $(readlink -f `which pager`) |
| 13:40.51 | enouf | ~$ ls -l $(readlink -f `which pager`) |
| 13:41.09 | hoschy | what i can do? |
| 13:41.25 | pundito | enouf yes, i know .xsession-errors, of course. but how could you know that there are xsession-errors here? |
| 13:41.27 | abrotman | hoschy: you have to get mysql running, the script is failing because it's not running (and therefore can't stop it) |
| 13:41.37 | abrotman | pundito: we didn't .. we guessed |
| 13:41.52 | pundito | abrotman, i see. thats what i guessed ;) |
| 13:41.56 | enouf | pundito: i don't _know_ it's usually there that's all |
| 13:42.21 | enouf | needs to eat now .. bbl |
| 13:43.22 | pundito | one dumn question. my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is rather empty, it just says Identifier "Configured Mouse" and so on. no "intel" no "VESA"... where is this *configuration*? |
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| 13:46.21 | azeem | pundito: it's auto-detected |
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| 13:47.18 | pundito | ? |
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| 13:47.50 | abrotman | pundito: the X server probes the hardware and finds what it thinks are the best settings/drivers to use .. |
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| 13:48.53 | pundito | abrotman. ok. and suppose i want to force VESA now, where can i find the syntax to add a line into that file? |
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| 13:49.19 | abrotman | man xorg.conf |
| 13:50.41 | pundito | thx |
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| 14:01.42 | enouf | pundito: here's mine (as a template only!) http://pastebin.ca/raw/1458955 |
| 14:02.43 | enouf | pundito: every line that starts with a # or many #####s are comments, or commented out (not processede) |
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| 14:03.27 | enouf | pundito: BTW, your xorg log looks quite ok - though i bet an X dev might find an issue or two |
| 14:04.34 | Arafangion | Does he actually /have/ his intel drivers installed? |
| 14:05.44 | enouf | wonders if there are any intel atom CPU kernel customizations that might/could be applied though |
| 14:06.03 | enouf | Arafangion: yes, using intel_drv.so |
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| 14:07.50 | odin_lordofstorm | good day |
| 14:08.33 | pundito | enouf cool :) thx! i was considering already to google another xorg.conf file as a template ... and i have seen "full" xorg.conf already of course. it seems that my problem is really rather concerned with the mouse than with X itself... and my favorite saying (from the "unix haters' handbook"):If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles -- |
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| 14:09.12 | odin_lordofstorm | i have a big problem. I have 3 partitions ( 1 -> debian based system, 2 /boot for F11, / for F11) i totally destroyed the GRUB when i buut i see only a table with grub>...how i can rescue my first system ? |
| 14:10.34 | pundito | enouf and btw, synaptics was founded by Federico Faggin, who founded also zilog, back at the same time when Gordon Gecko! Moore founded Intel... Zilog still produces 8bit cpus... |
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| 14:11.13 | Arafangion | Nothing wrong with 8-bit cpu's. |
| 14:11.28 | Arafangion | (Well, running python is a tad tricky on them, but other than that...) |
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| 14:12.41 | pundito | Arafangion yes, there are more 8bit cpus around than assumed :) |
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| 14:13.05 | vinzzz | ++all |
| 14:14.48 | Arafangion | pundito: Would you happen to know of analog computers are still around? |
| 14:15.19 | zinx | Arafangion: depends on how sepecific your definition is |
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| 14:15.44 | pundito | Arafangion whats that, analog computers, never heard of that. do you mean radios? |
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| 14:16.05 | enouf | !tubes |
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| 14:16.33 | craigevil | pundito: if it helps my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/1458962 running Sid with Intel 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.6.1 |
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| 14:16.47 | nkuttler | likes tube amps |
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| 14:16.59 | enouf | loves tube amps |
| 14:17.17 | Arafangion | zinx: Actual analogue components, with analogue circuits. |
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| 14:18.24 | zinx | so, electrical and analog.. probably only stuff like lightbulbs :/ |
| 14:18.48 | Arafangion | There used to be a whole theory behind analogue computing. |
| 14:19.05 | zinx | yeah, it's extremely wasteful in practice, though |
| 14:19.08 | Arafangion | Those things could actually perform integration and find the derivative of equations. |
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| 14:19.42 | pundito | Arafangion sorry. My incompetence |
| 14:19.42 | enouf | i would think the introduction of the transistor can be used as a demarkation/threshold - analog/digital ? |
| 14:20.36 | pundito | craigevil THX! yes, it helps, especially because You have Intel driver and UXA acceleration specified .. :) |
| 14:21.00 | enouf | pundito: he's using a much newer Xorg and newer kernel! |
| 14:21.09 | enouf | craigevil: he's on Lenny |
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| 14:21.35 | pundito | craigevil , enouf but i think the syntax of the file will be the same :-? |
| 14:21.42 | enouf | pundito: you might want to eventually upgrade to squeeze, but no guarantees from me |
| 14:21.47 | craigevil | other than the UXA rather than xaa its the same as it was before the new xorg |
| 14:22.02 | enouf | craigevil: good to hear then |
| 14:22.10 | enouf | craigevil: he's using EXA |
| 14:22.11 | nkuttler | enouf: for compuers i guess |
| 14:22.19 | Trewas | enouf: vacuum tubes were used to make the first digital computers, so "digital" existed before transistors |
| 14:22.25 | enouf | nkuttler: right .. that was my context |
| 14:22.38 | enouf | Trewas: point |
| 14:22.40 | azeem | people, please keep it on topic and/or continue the discussion in #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:22.58 | craigevil | might try using XAA rather than EXA it gives a bit better 2d performance |
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| 14:23.41 | mib_61tjmh | What is smaller and takes up less resources MySQL, SQLite or SQLite2? |
| 14:23.51 | Arafangion | mib_61tjmh: Ha. |
| 14:23.57 | zinx | mib_61tjmh: which kind of resources? |
| 14:23.57 | Arafangion | mib_61tjmh: Definetly not MySQL. |
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| 14:24.15 | zinx | mib_61tjmh: also... i'm fairly certain you're asking the wrong question. the ones you mention have extremely different purposes |
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| 14:24.23 | zinx | mib_61tjmh: and extremely different levels of support for SQL |
| 14:24.30 | mib_61tjmh | MySQL made my slower noticably slower, so now I have the choice of either SQLite, SQLite2, or PgSQL |
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| 14:24.52 | mib_61tjmh | All are supported by what I want to run |
| 14:24.53 | azeem | mib_61tjmh: PgSQL == postgres? |
| 14:25.01 | zinx | mib_61tjmh: SQLite is going to be far slower for large or complex databases |
| 14:25.03 | enouf | craigevil: is that the whole file's contents? I mean, no Display modes are present or anything |
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| 14:25.14 | mib_61tjmh | zinx: It's for an irc infobot :) |
| 14:25.17 | mib_61tjmh | lol |
| 14:25.19 | Arafangion | mib_61tjmh: Ignoring the fact that PostgreSQL kicks the pants of MySQL, PostgreSQL is (still?) slightly slower. |
| 14:25.22 | craigevil | yes thats the entire xorg.conf |
| 14:25.23 | enouf | pundito: show us your Xorg.0.log once again |
| 14:25.25 | zinx | mib_61tjmh: then you probably want SQLite |
| 14:25.36 | zinx | mib_61tjmh: or just some in-memory DB / flat file storage |
| 14:25.36 | enouf | craigevil: gotcha |
| 14:25.56 | Arafangion | mib_61tjmh: For your configuration, you might be best with bdb. |
| 14:26.07 | ronh | Arafangion, found you some hacky answer for you Makefile query couple of hours ago |
| 14:26.11 | joe_awl | anyone have experience building Xvesa from source? |
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| 14:26.32 | enouf | craigevil: pundito i notice in craigevil 's xorg.conf, there's dri module and a line for it - i recall yours using drm, IINM |
| 14:26.34 | Arafangion | ronh: I've done another solution (ie, changed my approach somewhat), but I'm still interested regardless. :) |
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| 14:26.48 | ronh | rm hi.txt 2>&1 | grep -v 'cannot' |
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| 14:26.56 | hoschy | hi all |
| 14:26.59 | hoschy | i need help |
| 14:26.59 | ronh | this will ignore lines containing cannot |
| 14:27.01 | Cheef-Daniel | hi |
| 14:27.07 | hoschy | how i can repair my system? |
| 14:27.16 | hoschy | i can install synaptic |
| 14:27.20 | hoschy | i cant install mysql-server |
| 14:27.25 | Arafangion | ronh: What about for when it is /make/ that outputs the line? |
| 14:27.26 | Arafangion | Eg: |
| 14:27.27 | hoschy | i cant nothing install |
| 14:27.29 | azeem | hoschy: pastebin the error message |
| 14:27.33 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 14:27.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 14:27.35 | Arafangion | make: [fix-src-dir] Error 1 (ignored) |
| 14:27.52 | hoschy | http://paste.debian.net/38989/ |
| 14:28.13 | azeem | hoschy: # |
| 14:28.14 | azeem | /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: Using expire_logs_days without log_bin crashes the server. See README.Debian.gz failed! |
| 14:28.16 | hoschy | i want update to lenny now all errors |
| 14:28.21 | azeem | fix your mysql config |
| 14:28.29 | ronh | hmm. do you mean will make output it as an error? |
| 14:28.29 | hoschy | mom |
| 14:28.58 | Arafangion | ronh: No, it outputs it as an informational message. |
| 14:28.59 | hoschy | http://paste.debian.net/38990/ |
| 14:29.19 | Arafangion | ronh: It could well be an 'error', I don't care if it's using stderr or stdout, I just don't want it to output it at all. |
| 14:29.32 | azeem | hoschy: that's secondary, fix your mysql config first |
| 14:29.39 | azeem | hoschy: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:29.39 | hoschy | how? |
| 14:29.47 | hoschy | i dont now |
| 14:29.56 | azeem | hoschy: "See README.Debian.gz" |
| 14:29.58 | hoschy | i have x dist-upgrade |
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| 14:30.14 | azeem | hoschy: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 14:30.27 | ronh | oh lol yep |
| 14:30.31 | hoschy | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:30.35 | ronh | It does list as an error |
| 14:30.41 | pundito | enouf here my /var/log/xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/dd017cc |
| 14:30.44 | azeem | judd: versions libc6 |
| 14:30.45 | judd | azeem: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13 |
| 14:30.52 | azeem | ok |
| 14:31.04 | hoschy | i want lenny |
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| 14:31.13 | azeem | hoschy: you said that |
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| 14:31.33 | LuciusMare | hey |
| 14:31.49 | LuciusMare | warning,stupid question ahead: i have got .deb file,how do i install it? |
| 14:31.55 | hoschy | how i can do it? |
| 14:32.00 | azeem | 16:27 < azeem> hoschy: "See README.Debian.gz" |
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| 14:32.12 | azeem | LuciusMare: generally, do not install .deb files directly |
| 14:32.18 | azeem | LuciusMare: what .deb is it? |
| 14:32.23 | LuciusMare | azeem: why? |
| 14:32.33 | LuciusMare | flash player,but why? |
| 14:32.44 | azeem | LuciusMare: use gdebi |
| 14:32.46 | hoschy | i dont have a README.Debian.gz |
| 14:32.50 | azeem | it can install .deb files |
| 14:33.03 | azeem | hoschy: I bet you have |
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| 14:33.13 | nkuttler | LuciusMare: install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:33.21 | azeem | hoschy: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:33.34 | LuciusMare | azeem: uh oh |
| 14:33.46 | azeem | LuciusMare: ? |
| 14:33.46 | LuciusMare | azeem: additional 150 mb of files will be installed |
| 14:33.52 | LuciusMare | i am not using gnome |
| 14:33.56 | azeem | LuciusMare: then don't *shrug* |
| 14:34.02 | nkuttler | LuciusMare: or man dpkg |
| 14:34.03 | azeem | LuciusMare: maybe don't install the Recommends along |
| 14:34.04 | LuciusMare | ... |
| 14:34.08 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 14:34.13 | LuciusMare | nkuttler |
| 14:34.48 | start | nkuttler: i've tried doing that to install flash myself and it says, "has no installation candidate" |
| 14:35.29 | nkuttler | start: you probably don't have non-free in your sources |
| 14:36.14 | start_ | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 14:37.28 | azeem | start_: it's only in lenny-backports |
| 14:38.16 | iluminator101 | i am getting this error maybe someone can help me out |
| 14:38.21 | start | so lenny-backports main ? |
| 14:38.25 | iluminator101 | syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:5: Extra junk at end of file |
| 14:39.19 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:41.17 | iluminator101 | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 14:41.17 | iluminator101 | deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 14:41.17 | iluminator101 | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:41.17 | iluminator101 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 14:41.22 | azeem | start: see backports.org |
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| 14:42.07 | start | thanks |
| 14:42.15 | enouf | a) wrong file and b) use // or ;; for comments in apt.conf, not # |
| 14:43.58 | iluminator101 | whats the APT:: Default-Release "version"; that i should put in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 14:44.17 | enouf | !version |
| 14:44.17 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 14:45.01 | enouf | iluminator101: you could use testing if you run squeeze |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | iluminator101: put all this stuff in a pastebin .. with the error |
| 14:45.22 | enouf | iluminator101: don't paste into the channel -- and enouf> a) wrong file and b) use // or ;; for comments in apt.conf, not # |
| 14:45.23 | pundito | azeem why did you recommend not to use the installation of flash from adobe.com? why did you recommend gdebi (i dislike GUI programs)? |
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| 14:46.14 | enouf | pundito: a) we generally do not and cannot support .run type files from vendors |
| 14:46.29 | pundito | enouf i c |
| 14:46.58 | iluminator101 | i am getting this error besides the other one http://pastebin.com/d61fc814b |
| 14:47.33 | serfurj | are there plans to remove binary blobs from the kernel for the release of squeeze? |
| 14:47.45 | enouf | pundito: the gdebi thing might be a preference, i too dislike GUI for package management, however, the person asking seemed to not know anything about it; ergo "use a GUI" which might also help resolve depends issues |
| 14:47.47 | RichiH | serfurj: yes |
| 14:48.00 | enouf | pundito: that is; automatically |
| 14:48.04 | RichiH | serfurj: there are regular flamefests about that on the mailing lists |
| 14:48.07 | azeem | pundito: gdebi is the recommended way to install .deb files |
| 14:48.26 | iluminator101 | enouf:i thought repo for squeeze was testing or.... testing is another separate repo |
| 14:48.27 | enouf | azeem: by whom? since when? |
| 14:48.38 | azeem | enouf: since it exists |
| 14:48.51 | azeem | before, there was no way at all to safely install .deb files |
| 14:48.54 | enouf | iluminator101: /msg dpkg releases |
| 14:49.02 | RichiH | dpkg -i? |
| 14:49.04 | dpkg | RichiH: i haven't a clue |
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| 14:49.57 | enouf | azeem: how about apt-get install -f ? |
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| 14:49.57 | RichiH | dpkg: go eat a shovel |
| 14:49.57 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go eat a shovel, go eat a shovel, just damn go. Home. |
| 14:49.57 | azeem | enouf: that's not very safe either |
| 14:49.57 | start_ | azeem: it works, thanks! |
| 14:49.57 | RichiH | heh |
| 14:49.57 | enouf | azeem: i'm going to respectfully disagree and leave it at that |
| 14:50.00 | steffan | Hello. I'm attempting to install libsqlite0 libdbd-sqlite-perl using apt-get. I'm getting an error on libdbd-sqlite-perl 'Package libdbd-sqlite-perl is not available, but is referred to by another package.'. |
| 14:50.02 | azeem | enouf: I didn't say *you* should useit |
| 14:50.05 | steffan | How do I resolve this? |
| 14:50.11 | enouf | azeem: heh |
| 14:50.20 | enouf | azeem: gotcha |
| 14:50.28 | RichiH | azeem: how is it not save, though? |
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| 14:50.34 | hark | gdebi is not necessarily a gui app. it has a command line mode (gdebi-core) |
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| 14:51.00 | azeem | RichiH: apt-get -f install might consider "fixing" the situation by removing half of your packages |
| 14:51.11 | enouf | iluminator101: you might want to add something about not installing Recommends as a setting - but i leave it to you to figure out how |
| 14:51.13 | azeem | certainly not very likely, but not totally unheard of, either |
| 14:51.38 | enouf | er, i think i meant LuciusMare , not iluminator101 |
| 14:51.52 | RichiH | there is that |
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| 14:52.25 | hark | steffan: you mean libdbd-sqlite3-perl? |
| 14:52.27 | enouf | azeem: and gdebi has no possible way of letting that occur>? |
| 14:52.34 | azeem | enouf: no |
| 14:52.42 | azeem | because it doesn't install a broken package in the first place |
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| 14:53.08 | steffan | hark: I'm following an INSTALL file from infobot-1.5.3, the command I typed is the command it specified. |
| 14:53.09 | azeem | or rather a package making your dependency tree broken |
| 14:53.57 | hark | steffan: now you know |
| 14:54.43 | steffan | hark: libdbd-sqlite3-perl will work with libsqlite0 I'm guessing? Or was libsqlite0 a wrong choice too? (from their INSTALL file) |
| 14:55.24 | steffan | hark: Sucess. |
| 14:56.08 | enouf | azeem: so gdebi has some dependency resolution magic that is also not in aptitude, as well as not in apt-get? (BTW, i always test my apt-get things using -s prior) |
| 14:56.22 | azeem | enouf: what do you mean? |
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| 14:56.34 | azeem | it probably uses libapt's dependency solver, dunno |
| 14:56.48 | azeem | the point is it doesn't blindly install a .deb first and cleans up later |
| 14:56.50 | steffan | Thank you. |
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| 14:57.07 | craigevil | gdebi will download and install depends where as tryin to use dpkg -i will error out |
| 14:57.09 | azeem | (full disclosure: I never actually used gdebi) |
| 14:57.52 | pundito | enouf , abrotman thx a lot for all your hints. i will go throu man intel and man xorg.con etc. and try to work on it, however i will also consider using squeeze. have to go for now. ( i am a command line freak and have avoided learning X so far) |
| 14:57.55 | enouf | azeem: ok .., i see what you mean, but still - i don't blindly install .debs either using apt-get .. however, if the same lib is used for dependency resolution, i can't see how one can do something the other cannot |
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| 14:58.04 | azeem | enouf: 16:48 < azeem> enouf: I didn't say *you* should useit |
| 14:58.18 | enouf | azeem: point :-p |
| 14:58.23 | azeem | enouf: you can't install .debs with apt-get |
| 14:58.25 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 14:58.33 | enouf | righto |
| 14:58.49 | enouf | well .. not _directly_ per se |
| 14:59.05 | azeem | I certainly think gdebi's functionality should've been put into APT |
| 14:59.14 | azeem | maybe aptitude can install .debs these days, dunno |
| 14:59.18 | enouf | however ... apt-get is just a nice d/l tool for dpkg :-) |
| 14:59.24 | azeem | enouf: wrong |
| 14:59.42 | simonrvn | i have, and it seems to behave similarly to libapt apps |
| 14:59.46 | azeem | you're talking about dselect now |
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| 15:00.25 | enouf | s/download tool/front end/ |
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| 15:00.39 | azeem | enouf: it's a front-end to APT |
| 15:00.46 | azeem | APT uses dpkg as backend |
| 15:00.53 | azeem | can we move on now? |
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| 15:01.04 | enouf | are we offtopic? :-P |
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| 15:02.30 | Arafangion | enouf: That would depend if we're talking about Ubuntu or other such systems. ;) |
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| 15:06.03 | enouf | Someone needs to clean up the Description: for gdebi then |
| 15:06.33 | simonrvn | file a bug ;) |
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| 15:07.12 | enouf | simonrvn: i thought of that - but i have no knowledge of it's inner workings to warrant that thought |
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| 15:08.39 | iluminator101 | can someone paste what they have put in there /etc/apt/apt.conf files |
| 15:08.39 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.23 | enouf | why are you not using apt.conf.d/* anyway? |
| 15:09.57 | enouf | besides, someone asked you for a pastebin, which IINM, was never done |
| 15:10.18 | simonrvn | "their" (to pile it on ;p) |
| 15:10.20 | rednammoc1 | hi guys. my computer automatically change his ip-address and i dont know why. /etc/network/interfaces is setup to static with 192.168.0.3 . But after a while ( 30 min - 3h - ... ) it changes to 192.168.0.227. can somebody explain why ? |
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| 15:10.34 | iluminator101 | http://pastebin.com/d61fc814b |
| 15:10.41 | simonrvn | you sure dhclient isn't running? |
| 15:10.46 | simonrvn | rednammoc1: ^^^ |
| 15:11.28 | rednammoc1 | simonrvn: ? |
| 15:11.52 | simonrvn | you sure dhclient isn't running? |
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| 15:12.55 | rednammoc1 | simonrvn: dhclient3 is running ? why ? |
| 15:12.58 | enouf | iluminator101: yeah - i see that now, however, what command are you trying to run, and what has apt,conf to do with this pastebin? |
| 15:13.10 | nkuttler | rednammoc1: check /var/log/messages and your crontabs? |
| 15:14.48 | iluminator101 | enouf:i was reading the manual, its said to put main version on conf...thats why...but two are not related otherwise |
| 15:15.12 | enouf | rednammoc1: router setting? using your router's DNS cache? |
| 15:15.49 | enouf | iluminator101: which manual? and why are you reading it? |
| 15:16.49 | iluminator101 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 15:17.13 | rednammoc1 | enouf: there's no crontab for root. /var/log/messages is normal |
| 15:18.15 | dotCOMmie | Is there quick way to figure out which repo in ones apt/souces.list provides a particular package? |
| 15:18.40 | JPT | it's probably a pretty bad question, but i wonder if there is something like a equalizer for alsa in general. i'm thinking of something similar to this nice realtek tool that comes with the driver of the soundcard |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | dotCOMmie: apt-cache policy foo |
| 15:18.47 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:19.02 | enouf | iluminator101: i see .. so "Where version is the version of Debian you want to use as the main distribution. The versions you can use are stable, testing and unstable." is unclear to you? |
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| 15:20.34 | iluminator101 | enouf: so i should debian squeeze testing on .conf file |
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| 15:27.21 | simonrvn | rednammoc1: i don't know. but it shouldn't be. |
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| 15:28.26 | Cheef-Daniel | need a little help with mdadm, I created a RAID1 with 2xSATA. For testing I unpluged one HDD /dev/sdb while system was powered on (hot-plug is possible). After I plugged it in again the device is now called /dev/sdc |
| 15:28.53 | Cheef-Daniel | the question is should it not be called /dev/sdb again? |
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| 15:30.26 | rednammoc1 | my router is running on m0n0wall |
| 15:30.40 | Marcipicus | Hey everyone, I'm thinking about writing a script that will install a list of packages from a file and run an optional configuration file for each package so that I can setup my system environment relatively quickly and with little effort. I'm planning on using the following syntax for the package Installation file: "<packageName>{<configFileName>}" where the configuration file is optional. The script is going |
| 15:30.40 | Marcipicus | to see if the package is installed(and act appropriately) or if any dependencies cannot be met because of prerequisite packages in locked states. |
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| 15:30.57 | Marcipicus | Is there anything else I should think about before starting the script? |
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| 15:31.52 | Marcipicus | that was all I could think of but I'm just wondering if there are other features that might be useful or something that could screw up the installation process |
| 15:32.51 | rednammoc1 | when i check the diagnostic->dhcp_leases there are a lot of information about that the ip-address( 192.168.0.227 ) is bound to the mac-adress of the computer |
| 15:33.09 | ajavid | i woke up |
| 15:33.12 | ajavid | hi |
| 15:33.36 | rednammoc1 | but i dont know how to unbind |
| 15:33.39 | rednammoc1 | good morning ajavid ;) |
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| 15:38.05 | alecs1 | hi, since some days ago I can't do anything to enable tapping and scrolling on the toucphpad |
| 15:38.21 | alecs1 | gpointing-device doesn't apply any settings |
| 15:38.35 | Cheef-Daniel | oh, I forgot to login, did you see my question? |
| 15:39.09 | alecs1 | while qsynaptics will enable tapping and scrolling, but disable moving the pointer whenever pressing "apply" |
| 15:39.24 | nkuttler | alecs1: on stable? |
| 15:39.32 | alecs1 | no, unstable |
| 15:39.42 | nkuttler | alecs1: do you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? |
| 15:39.51 | alecs1 | I don't know any other graphical program to set it |
| 15:40.08 | nkuttler | alecs1: there's tpconfig |
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| 15:40.33 | alecs1 | yes, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed |
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| 15:42.05 | nkuttler | alecs1: for me, scrolling needs two fingers on the trackpad since a few weeks, didn't bother to look into why |
| 15:42.29 | fxiny | hmmm |
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| 15:42.46 | alecs1 | yes, I have two fingers scrolling too; tpconfig -t=2 nothing happens |
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| 15:42.55 | mac9416 | Hello, does gnome-app-install ship by default with Debian? |
| 15:42.57 | nkuttler | :/ |
| 15:43.31 | Trewas | speaking of tap-to-click, can someone actually use it? in every laptop I have tried I always click random things when just trying to move the mouse cursor |
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| 15:44.01 | nkuttler | hates tap to click |
| 15:44.04 | peleg | Hey. How do I check whether a specific port is blocked? |
| 15:44.25 | Marcipicus | mac9416 - I've got it on my machine and I never installed it manually so I assume it is a default install. |
| 15:44.39 | cahoot | peleg: got a 'firewall'? |
| 15:44.43 | mac9416 | Marcipicus, thanks :-) |
| 15:44.45 | Marcipicus | if there's a way to check when it was installed I can tell you for sure |
| 15:44.56 | alecs1 | so on fresh I had everything working; one month ago I fiddled with gsynaptics and since then the tapping was disabled at logout; but it was possible to enable back; now nothing works |
| 15:44.57 | mac9416 | ok |
| 15:45.28 | alecs1 | Trewas: if you have good settings tapping works quite well |
| 15:45.34 | ajavid | Trewas, takes getting used to |
| 15:45.47 | ajavid | or buy a small ubs mouse to go with it |
| 15:45.53 | ajavid | usb |
| 15:46.37 | peleg | cahoot, no. I'm afraid a router here is blocking my email ports. |
| 15:46.38 | Trewas | alecs1: I guess, and probably some touchpads are better than others... too bad thinkpad-style trackpoints are used so rarely, they are superior in every way :) |
| 15:47.10 | alecs1 | thinkpad-style trackpoints == clit-mouse? |
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| 15:47.20 | Trewas | yeah |
| 15:47.21 | cahoot | peleg: portscan from the outside? |
| 15:47.32 | peleg | cahoot, what is it? |
| 15:47.57 | peleg | (I mean: what is a portscan) |
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| 15:48.55 | cahoot | peleg: like this: http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/scan.php4 |
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| 15:49.51 | alecs1 | some friend suggested to use some obscure xorg CLI app to configure the touchpad; but damn, if I would ever learn the ton of switches, I would also write a GUI for it |
| 15:50.25 | peleg | cahoot, thanks, I'll check that |
| 15:51.38 | peleg | cahoot, well, I got "93.173.67.73 isn't responding on port 25 (smtp)." |
| 15:52.00 | Marcipicus | mac9416 - I can't find a way to check the installation time, but I know I haven't used any gui installs yet so it's a pretty safe bet that the package is standard. I'm using debian lenny stable. |
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| 15:52.53 | mac9416 | Marcicius: a friend just told me that it didn't come default on his install. :-( Well thanks for your help :-) |
| 15:53.05 | mac9416 | *Marcipicus |
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| 15:56.24 | sanjid | when I try to install, my mouse doesn't work |
| 15:56.44 | abrotman | install what? |
| 15:56.49 | sanjid | debian |
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| 15:57.03 | abrotman | did you choose to use the GUI install ? |
| 15:57.07 | sanjid | yes |
| 15:57.27 | sanjid | if it was CLI, would there be a need for a mouse? O.o |
| 15:57.32 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 15:58.32 | sanjid | but that makes me unable to select packages |
| 15:59.33 | peleg | Do you have any idea how to check if it is really the router that is blocking my ports? |
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| 16:00.16 | sudeepk | how to make usb bootable from an iso? |
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| 16:00.49 | WormFood | what am I overlooking to make grub remember the last entry it booted? |
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| 16:02.51 | sanjid | any idea how to fix the mouse? |
| 16:03.33 | alecs1 | stupid question: can I replace X11-xorg with something else? |
| 16:04.06 | cahoot | peleg: you can modify the router? i e portforward |
| 16:04.20 | patrikf | alecs1: to gain... what? |
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| 16:05.37 | DireFog | is unstable supposed to dump all segfaults anywhere to syslog? |
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| 16:06.13 | DireFog | ... in a way that makes them show up in dmesg? |
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| 16:06.22 | alecs1 | patrikf: less white hairs and avoid heart attack |
| 16:06.38 | patrikf | DireFog: yes, the standard kernel does log segfaults and you should see them in dmesg |
| 16:07.02 | azeem | alecs1: you can replace it with a directfb framebuffer or the console |
| 16:07.10 | DireFog | oh, so it's a kernel thing |
| 16:07.11 | azeem | or some more obscure things |
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| 16:07.22 | patrikf | azeem: he said "less white hairs", not more ;-) |
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| 16:17.11 | PyroPeter | is there something special about the debian radeonhd driver? |
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| 16:17.31 | azeem | PyroPeter: special compared to what? |
| 16:17.58 | PyroPeter | when i try to load it i get this http://pastebin.com/m5450e159 error |
| 16:18.08 | alecs1 | short about xorg: hard to make special input devices useful, because of some "keycodes" limitation; always problems with external projector, this touchpad problem, the bigger ones. |
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| 16:18.38 | abrotman | PyroPeter: also paste your xorg.conf and your lspci -nn |
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| 16:18.52 | alecs1 | so a few weeks ago I suggested to increase it to X12 and solve at the keycodes :P |
| 16:19.08 | PyroPeter | Ati radeon hd 4350 with rv710 chipset |
| 16:19.29 | azeem | alecs1: what's your real name? |
| 16:19.46 | PyroPeter | http://pastebin.com/m3d18ecaa |
| 16:20.25 | alecs1 | why? did I make myself remarked by being vocal? Alex DÄnilÄ |
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| 16:21.29 | azeem | alecs1: I was thinking of http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/05/xi2-recipes-part-1.html |
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| 16:21.42 | azeem | but I see now that he meant XI2, not X12 |
| 16:21.51 | azeem | stupid fonts |
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| 16:23.03 | PyroPeter | may i get help now? if you need more time i could reinstall fglrx, vesa sucks extremely... |
| 16:24.13 | PyroPeter | ah, i see |
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| 16:29.04 | sdns | hi all |
| 16:29.26 | sdns | I've problem setting slapd + tls and libnss-ldap |
| 16:29.30 | alecs1 | PyroPeter: did you solve? |
| 16:29.38 | sdns | someone could help me? |
| 16:30.00 | azeem | alecs1: he left |
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| 16:31.58 | sepult | i can't install fglrx-source along with a custom kernel ?? |
| 16:32.09 | sepult | why is it failing ? |
| 16:32.18 | azeem | sepult: pastebin the error |
| 16:32.19 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 16:32.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 16:34.20 | sepult | azeem: wth it build now...i don't know why it was failing before |
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| 16:35.21 | sepult | azeem: it was failing with firegl.c, could not build that one |
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| 16:39.03 | sepult | azeem: it was telling me modpost non GPL module fglrx.o would use GPL-only lock_acquire |
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| 16:40.52 | sepult | azeem: and since then i only changed the linux link to point to the linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 that's all i did |
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| 16:42.38 | barmagnet | anyone here accesses internet using a CDMA modem such as tata indicom? i am able to connect to internet fine with wvdial. but I am unable to see the inbox, make calls, etc. using the modem. |
| 16:42.39 | barmagnet | please help. |
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| 16:43.29 | azeem | barmagnet: make calls? |
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| 16:44.20 | barmagnet | azeem: yes. the modem comes with a windows software that allows me to check phone number, make calls, receive calls, send and receive SMS. |
| 16:44.20 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:44.31 | barmagnet | wondering how to do the same in debian. |
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| 16:44.59 | azeem | barmagnet: that's probably proprietary stuff |
| 16:45.03 | sigmonsays | is there something to manage rc.d scripts? |
| 16:45.20 | sigmonsays | I really need a overview of basic debian specific commands :) |
| 16:45.48 | amphi | update-rc.d |
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| 16:46.14 | amphi | sigmonsays: you could install the debian reference, it contains much useful info |
| 16:46.34 | sigmonsays | awesome. Will do. |
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| 16:48.13 | pundito | barmagnet: wvDial as well as comgt (which is better) use the AT command language from the 70ies. U _can_ use these programs to make calls and access your inbox, however you have to write your own scripts around these applications |
| 16:49.12 | sigmonsays | i'm getting all sorts of local warnings in perl. tells me to make sure I have LANGUAGE and LC_* vars set |
| 16:49.32 | sigmonsays | is there some package I need to get a proper locale ? |
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| 16:51.23 | barmagnet | pundito: can't find any comgt package in Debian |
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| 16:52.53 | amphi | sigmonsays: install locales ;) |
| 16:53.27 | pundito | barmagnet yes, comgt is no package. you find it on sourceforge. and its really old and ripe ( i think its based on code from the 80ies) |
| 16:53.57 | pundito | barmagnet i am talking to you via comgt right now |
| 16:54.08 | barmagnet | isn't wammu okay to read inbox messages? |
| 16:54.30 | barmagnet | pundito: does comgt allow you to read inbox messages? |
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| 16:56.01 | pundito | barmagnet you mean SMS inbox? do you really switch your SIM card every time between phone and computer? |
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| 16:56.39 | barmagnet | pundito: the manual says, it is T-SIM card. I use it only for internet. I insert the T-SIM card into the UIM slot of tata indicom modem. |
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| 16:57.35 | pundito | barmagnet if you can http then you should also can imap or pop |
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| 16:59.06 | barmagnet | pundito: how would imap or pop help? |
| 16:59.26 | pundito | imap and pop are the internet protocols to access your email inbox |
| 16:59.39 | pundito | or are you talking about sms? |
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| 17:12.37 | barmagnet | pundito: yes, i was talking about SMS inbox. |
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| 17:12.41 | barmagnet | shouldn't wammu be okay to do it? |
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| 17:14.33 | mrbob009 | in what file do i specify the gateway location? |
| 17:14.47 | mrbob009 | (Default gateway to be precise) |
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| 17:15.26 | liable | mrbob009: /etc/network/interfaces (if you arent getting a dhcp lease, you need to add ip too..) |
| 17:15.35 | sigmonsays | amphi, it is installed :) |
| 17:16.00 | mrbob009 | liable: ive added a static ip to /interfaces, .. (Address, and netmask) |
| 17:16.13 | mrbob009 | didnt see 'gateway' in the man interfaces |
| 17:16.34 | bkraptor | mrbob009: it's supposed to go there |
| 17:16.38 | mrbob009 | so i would have to add a line 'gateway 192.168.1.1' to it under ^^ |
| 17:16.44 | mrbob009 | ok thanks bkraptor |
| 17:16.47 | liable | mrbob009: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 17:18.11 | peleg | I can ping my router, but I can't surf to it using iceweasel (10.0.0.138). I am trying to do that to try to unblock a blocked port (25) |
| 17:18.29 | mrbob009 | liable: what is the 'network ' option for? |
| 17:18.34 | peleg | I know that it is blocked by trying an external ping scanning. |
| 17:18.41 | peleg | *port scanning |
| 17:18.46 | bkraptor | network/broadcast are legacy options, you don't need those |
| 17:19.39 | liable | mrbob009: i dont know actually, i have never added it so i say its redundant. :) |
| 17:19.47 | mrbob009 | ok |
| 17:20.16 | mrbob009 | what about the 'broadcast' in /interfaces, all i know is .... my modem=router... |
| 17:20.26 | pundito | barmagnet have you tried wammu or gammu? |
| 17:20.34 | mrbob009 | and if i start pumping on its 0.255 address, it might die ... crash/collapse etc ;D |
| 17:20.43 | bkraptor | mrbob009: see above |
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| 17:26.02 | mrbob009 | !sudo |
| 17:26.02 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 17:27.22 | sepult | np |
| 17:27.29 | sepult | sorry |
| 17:28.08 | pundito | barmagnet AFAIS gammu manages your phone, whereas the dialling programs we have been talking about dial through a modem. if you find a script around these dialling programs which lets you make a phone call then let me know. however accessing your mail inbox should be possible by default, sms inbox not |
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| 17:28.24 | mrbob009 | if i try to use sudo > -bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 17:28.56 | mrbob009 | i need to read the wiki |
| 17:28.57 | cahoot | install it? |
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| 17:31.42 | mrbob009 | !apache |
| 17:31.43 | dpkg | well, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://httpd.apache.org/ #apache on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:32.48 | stepnem | hello; please can someone explain or point me to some explanation as to the reason for having some Python libs at /var/lib/python-support and others at /usr/lib and what's the difference? |
| 17:33.08 | FlyingFoX | how do i restart the git-daemon? i presume i started it through dpkg-reconfigure git-daemon-run. |
| 17:33.52 | valdyn | FlyingFoX: /etc/init.d/git-* restart |
| 17:34.43 | FlyingFoX | valdyn: there is no file named git-daemon or something similar under /etc/init.d |
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| 17:35.41 | valdyn | git-daemon-run: /etc/init.d/git-daemon |
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| 17:37.57 | valdyn | FlyingFoX: maybe you want to tell us that you are not running debian/stable or that you are not running debian at all |
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| 17:38.25 | FlyingFoX | valdyn: well i am runnig debian/stable |
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| 17:38.49 | hark | FlyingFoX: use sv |
| 17:39.17 | valdyn | debian stable does have /etc/init.d/git-daemon |
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| 17:40.14 | valdyn | unstable uses sv, squeeze too, maybe |
| 17:40.29 | xingu | it also has invoke-rc.d, he says somewhat drily |
| 17:40.52 | hark | FlyingFoX: read /usr/share/doc/git-daemon-run/README.Debian |
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| 17:42.08 | hans0lo | Debian h4X0rz - I think my drive is failing. I've done a fsck.ext3 -ycf /dev/sda1, which tells me that the filesystem was modifed. I am curious to see if there were bad blocks discovered, but fsck didn't give me a summary screen (I thought it used to?) Anyways. What I am asking is: how do you see if bad sectors have been marked on an ext3 partition? |
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| 17:50.19 | abrotman | hans0lo: you can use a liveCD and the 'badblocks' program perhaps |
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| 17:50.58 | OpenTokix | nice nice, webservers 5000 reqs/s |
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| 17:53.21 | abrotman | OpenTokix: using 'ab' ? |
| 17:53.47 | OpenTokix | abrotman: huh? |
| 17:54.04 | OpenTokix | abrotman: its four apache behind a haproxy (new install of haproxy) |
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| 17:54.20 | OpenTokix | abrotman: before we just used iptables roundrobin =) |
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| 17:54.35 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 17:54.42 | LuciusMare | hey,i wasnt to instlall sun java.What repository line should i add? |
| 17:54.48 | LuciusMare | *want |
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| 17:55.19 | OpenTokix | abrotman: webservers using ALOT of cpu... |
| 17:55.24 | OpenTokix | abrotman: currently 7% =) |
| 17:55.34 | abrotman | !tell LuciusMare about install java |
| 17:57.01 | LuciusMare | thx |
| 17:57.50 | lall | hm what feature is that? |
| 17:57.59 | lall | !tell all about install java |
| 17:58.15 | azeem | lall: what feature is what? |
| 17:58.16 | amphi | !tell lall -about selftell |
| 17:58.24 | lall | cool |
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| 17:59.32 | KavanS | I was using pxe seeding with debian and I'm getting an "invalid" mirror message now |
| 17:59.46 | KavanS | etch/lenny...I've tried switching mirrors to no avail |
| 17:59.52 | KavanS | has there been some recent changes to the installer? |
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| 18:00.20 | abrotman | KavanS: can you show us the sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:00.38 | LuciusMare | yes,but if it is non-free,and i have not got non-free in sources.list,how can i fix it? |
| 18:00.47 | JordiGH | Got issues with connecting with network-manager to WPA networks, using iwl3945, both on Linux 2.6.26 and 2.6.29 |
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| 18:01.04 | gmap | my usb modem works fine when i plug it straight into the usb port, but when i plug it in through a usb extension cable to the usb port it doesnt work. What could be the issue? |
| 18:01.05 | abrotman | !tell LuciusMare about non-free |
| 18:01.06 | JordiGH | Also, Linux 2.6.29 seems to have a very annoying system bell. |
| 18:01.07 | abrotman | !tell LuciusMare about contrib |
| 18:01.12 | KavanS | abrotman, http://pastie.org/510828 |
| 18:01.24 | bkraptor | gmap: the extension cable? |
| 18:01.39 | gmap | bkraptor it works with windows xp btw |
| 18:01.51 | bkraptor | then use it in windows XP |
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| 18:01.58 | bkraptor | extension cables weaken the signals |
| 18:01.59 | Intensity | apt-get update is reporting Connection failed with an http_proxy, yet I can easily lynx the URL. How do I debug apt-get's efforts to fetch the URL? |
| 18:02.13 | bkraptor | maybe the usb driver for debian isn't as good in doing error corrections |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | KavanS: your sources seem fine .. what's the actual text of the error ? |
| 18:02.33 | gmap | bkraptor, i need it to work on debian. it recognizes the usb device, but theres an error loading it |
| 18:02.48 | mrbob009 | Intensity: what is your repos link? |
| 18:02.50 | KavanS | "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror. This may be a problem with your network, or with the mirror. You can choose to retry the download, select a different mirror, or cancel and choose another installation method" |
| 18:02.58 | bkraptor | if it works fine without the extension then you have your answer |
| 18:03.04 | bkraptor | the extension cable is just that, a bunch of wires |
| 18:03.05 | abrotman | KavanS: and does the network work ? |
| 18:03.09 | bkraptor | there's no software involved |
| 18:03.09 | KavanS | abrotman, yep |
| 18:03.21 | KavanS | abrotman, pxe booting these boxes |
| 18:03.26 | abrotman | KavanS: that means nothing .. |
| 18:03.42 | Intensity | mrbob009: Currently, it's "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free". I've also tried ftp.us.debian.org. |
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| 18:04.18 | LuciusMare | abrotman: dpkg doesnt know a thing |
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| 18:04.27 | abrotman | yes it does |
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| 18:04.28 | KavanS | abrotman, when I had proxy enabled I could see the logs scrolling... |
| 18:04.30 | LuciusMare | abrotman: "ask me about <non-free-sources> |
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| 18:04.36 | KavanS | abrotman, so I disabled proxy and tried again....tried different mirror |
| 18:04.38 | LuciusMare | abrotman: so i asked him about non-free-sources |
| 18:04.47 | KavanS | abrotman, I'm wondering if I should download new "netboot" kernel for etch and lenny |
| 18:04.50 | LuciusMare | abrotman: bugger,all i dont know |
| 18:04.52 | abrotman | LuciusMare: "non-free sources" .. read more carefully |
| 18:04.57 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 18:04.59 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 18:05.13 | LuciusMare | abrotman: it just splitted right when i have the edge of the window |
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| 18:05.20 | abrotman | KavanS: you're using an internet mirror .. can it get to the router? |
| 18:05.21 | jvm | hi. suppose i wanted to stream the sound output from one linux computer to another... what would be the easiest way to do it? |
| 18:05.26 | KavanS | abrotman, yes |
| 18:05.41 | abrotman | jvm: mpd |
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| 18:05.51 | abrotman | jvm: wait .. all sound? or just stuff like music ? |
| 18:05.55 | jvm | like: media player running on one system and speakers connected to the other. |
| 18:06.34 | jvm | abrotman, all sound, preferably. |
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| 18:06.34 | abrotman | jvm: why not just play the file over the network ? |
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| 18:06.49 | jvm | abrotman, how to do it? i would prefer a solution that covers all applications. |
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| 18:07.07 | abrotman | KavanS: it sounds like it can't contact the mirrors.kernel.org mirror |
| 18:07.21 | abrotman | jvm: maybe you're looking for pulse |
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| 18:08.08 | [psy] | how are minor updates for debian-stable tested? obviously they cant go in the testing repo, since that could have a newer glibc and other libs. so how is a minor update for the stable-repo tested before it is publiced? |
| 18:08.27 | azeem | [psy]: there's stable-proposed-updates or so |
| 18:09.03 | jvm | abrotman, pulse..like pulseaudio? |
| 18:09.51 | [psy] | why there isnt something like lenny/dev lenny/test/ lenny/stable, and for the new version etch/dev, /etch/test/, etch/stable? this way updates for lenny could be tested as well |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | jvm: i believe so |
| 18:10.10 | azeem | [psy]: 20:06 < azeem> [psy]: there's stable-proposed-updates or so |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | [psy]: do you have a problem with one of the updates? |
| 18:10.21 | Ponce | Hello, I am trying to make a persistent debian USB key. I used this guide ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Custom_Install ) and a Debian Live iso ( debian-live-500-i386-kde-desktop.iso ) and am getting a kernel panic when it tries to boot, " /init: .: 163: Can't open /scripts/casper Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" or something to that effect |
| 18:10.59 | [psy] | no i dont have a problem, i want to understand why stuff works this way, and if it could be done different/better if one wants to make its own distro |
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| 18:11.29 | azeem | [psy]: why stuff works what way? |
| 18:11.32 | [psy] | azeem, but stable-proposed-updates seems rather hackish...it would be nicer to have something like lenny/test |
| 18:11.47 | azeem | [psy]: erm, why bikeshed about a name? |
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| 18:12.10 | Intensity | I tried re-forwarding the http proxy (privoxy) port in another ssh session, listening on another local port. Now the newly forwarded proxy port works for both apt-get and lynx, whereas the old one only works for lynx on the URL. This seems impossible. How can I figure out what's going on under the hood with apt-get? |
| 18:12.18 | [psy] | i'm want to use dpkg for our own distro, so i want to set it up in a logical way azeem :) |
| 18:12.20 | KavanS | abrotman, downloaded a new netboot.tar.gz, replaced initrd and linux, works fine now |
| 18:12.27 | abrotman | weird, but okay |
| 18:12.30 | KavanS | abrotman, I think they made changes to the installer |
| 18:12.30 | azeem | [psy]: that has nothing to do with dpkg |
| 18:12.42 | jvm | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 18:12.44 | [psy] | uuh i mean aptitude |
| 18:12.56 | KavanS | I've had this happen once before when netbooting...then the mirror becomes "incompatible" with the old netboot.tar.gz (even though it's still etch) |
| 18:13.04 | azeem | [psy]: what would be the difference bettern lenny-proposed-updates and lenny/test? |
| 18:13.09 | azeem | between* |
| 18:13.11 | abrotman | [psy]: how is "lenny/test" different than "stable-proposed-updates" ? |
| 18:13.16 | azeem | heh |
| 18:13.31 | [psy] | abrotman you cant tell if stable-proposed-updates is for lenny or etch or something else |
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| 18:13.38 | szymon_g | hi |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | [psy]: it's for .. uh .. "stable" .. which is currently lenny |
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| 18:14.05 | [psy] | yeah that sucks |
| 18:14.11 | abrotman | how does that suck? |
| 18:14.15 | azeem | it's really lenny-proposed |
| 18:14.20 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 18:14.26 | azeem | due to etch also still being maintained |
| 18:14.39 | azeem | and/or etch is just oldstable-proposed |
| 18:14.40 | azeem | dunno |
| 18:14.40 | [psy] | hmm |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | azeem: both apparently |
| 18:14.59 | abrotman | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny-proposed-updates/ |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | and stable-proposed-updates works also |
| 18:15.34 | [psy] | so is 'stable' just some kind of symlink to lenny? |
| 18:15.41 | [psy] | or whatever version is stable |
| 18:15.50 | azeem | yes |
| 18:16.09 | azeem | [psy]: maybe you should go research stuff a bit before you suggest improvements |
| 18:16.16 | [psy] | and if a update has passed the proposed update stadium, it will be copied to the stable tree? |
| 18:16.23 | azeem | no |
| 18:16.24 | [psy] | azeem just trying to learn |
| 18:16.32 | [psy] | no suggestions :) |
| 18:16.34 | azeem | it will be copied to the stable tree once a stable point release is being made |
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| 18:16.48 | azeem | but maybe you mean the same thing |
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| 18:16.54 | azeem | 20:09 < [psy]> azeem, but stable-proposed-updates seems rather hackish...it would be nicer to have something like lenny/test |
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| 18:17.49 | [psy] | so? |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | that's a suggestion |
| 18:18.31 | [psy] | where can i find a document that describes how all this works? |
| 18:18.43 | [psy] | or is it just an unwritten rule that there will be some proposed-updates repo somewhere? |
| 18:18.43 | azeem | I don't think there is one |
| 18:18.49 | [psy] | ok |
| 18:19.09 | azeem | no, but various parts have been announced on various mailing list at various times |
| 18:19.22 | azeem | maybe check the developer's reference |
| 18:19.29 | azeem | though that is more form the user's POV |
| 18:20.47 | [psy] | so anyway, if i would be some random sysad that didnt change his repo-config, would it be enough to just to a "aptitude update" regulary? or do i have the risk that i dont get updates, or that i get a major update when the next version is moved to stable? |
| 18:22.58 | azeem | eh? |
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| 18:23.27 | azeem | [psy]: whether or not you immediately update to the next release depends on whether you have "lenny" or "stable" in your sources.list |
| 18:23.57 | [psy] | by default it would say lenny i assume? |
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| 18:24.34 | azeem | I think so, yes |
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| 18:25.11 | [psy] | and the lenny-repo would get minor updates/fixes that have been in lenny-propopes-updates-repo for some time? |
| 18:25.26 | azeem | 20:14 < azeem> it will be copied to the stable tree once a stable point release is being made |
| 18:25.38 | [psy] | i see |
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| 18:26.43 | [psy] | the lenny-proposed-updates i sort of a test-ing repo for new stable updates :) |
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| 18:27.20 | [psy] | thx so far |
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| 18:28.56 | sxy | Hi guys! |
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| 18:29.23 | Ne0WizArd | hello i am wondering if anyone can help me run debian on the htc g1 |
| 18:29.31 | sxy | Are ATI drivers installed by default on debian 501 amd64? |
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| 18:32.02 | OpenTokix | sxy: Nothing non-free is installed by default |
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| 18:32.31 | sxy | thx |
| 18:32.45 | sxy | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-ati-fglrx-driver-in-debian.html |
| 18:33.01 | sxy | This how-to is okay for amd64 version right? |
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| 18:33.51 | OpenTokix | sxy: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary <-- debian wiki is usualy good |
| 18:33.55 | OpenTokix | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Lenny.2CSqueeze |
| 18:34.03 | sxy | btw.. can you please tell me which file says which desktop it will load at startup? |
| 18:34.17 | sxy | also.. how can I change the resolution at startup? |
| 18:34.20 | OpenTokix | sxy: You can select it with gdm |
| 18:34.24 | sxy | okay |
| 18:34.25 | sxy | thx |
| 18:34.31 | sxy | (I'm coming from gentoo) |
| 18:34.38 | sxy | (new in debian) :) |
| 18:34.47 | sxy | newer mastered it though |
| 18:34.52 | OpenTokix | Welcome to the real world, neo |
| 18:34.56 | sxy | thanks |
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| 18:41.10 | sxy | hmm |
| 18:41.22 | sxy | is fglrx-driver the same as ATIs official driver? |
| 18:41.33 | sxy | or is it the open source one? |
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| 18:42.25 | abrotman | it's the closed one |
| 18:42.29 | sxy | cool |
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| 18:42.49 | sxy | the one that works with pixel shaders 3.1 then |
| 18:42.53 | sxy | thanks |
| 18:42.57 | Nematocyst | when I try to apt-get install openssh-server, it wants to install all sorts of X related stuff. Why? |
| 18:43.11 | peppe | Nematocyst: X11 forwarding , I presume |
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| 18:43.22 | Nematocyst | peppe, i don't want that though |
| 18:43.35 | bkraptor | Nematocyst: try --no-install-recommends |
| 18:43.36 | peppe | Nematocyst: it should be a recommend |
| 18:43.42 | peppe | heh, that's it. |
| 18:44.09 | funyun | noob here, trying to configure rtorrent and get this error http://pastebin.ca/1459160 . anyone know what's going on? |
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| 18:44.49 | Nematocyst | bkraptor, thanks |
| 18:45.09 | peppe | funyun: configure script messed up ? |
| 18:45.15 | bkraptor | Nematocyst: no prob mate, just learned that option some days ago on this very channel :) |
| 18:45.32 | bkraptor | funyun: you probably need to install the openssl build deps |
| 18:45.48 | funyun | peppe: not sure |
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| 18:46.05 | funyun | bkraptor: i have openssl. is there something else i need to install? |
| 18:46.13 | Nematocyst | yes, now i can administer it from this machine, not having to walk all over the house. worked like a champ |
| 18:46.16 | bkraptor | probably the sources for openssl ? |
| 18:47.34 | peppe | it's a syntax error. configure script is broken |
| 18:47.41 | peppe | try generating that with a modern autoconf |
| 18:48.18 | fxiny | funyun: libssl-dev |
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| 18:49.59 | funyun | fxiny: same error |
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| 18:50.21 | Nematocyst | now I need to install wine w/out any X, no audio, no printing. --no-install-recommends isn't enough. heh |
| 18:50.23 | fxiny | funyun: are you compiling the lib ? |
| 18:50.57 | funyun | fxiny: yes |
| 18:50.58 | fxiny | funyun: i compled it in etch , lib first , inslalled it and then compiled rtorrent |
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| 18:52.07 | creichen | Hi! I installed a new font into /usr/share/fonts by hand (the OpenType version of the Linux Libertine font). xelatex output with that font is garbled now (it seems to represent characters by the wrong glyphs). Is there some font install script that I should re-run? |
| 18:52.23 | fxiny | funyun: libssl-dev zlib1g-dev and libsigc++-2.0-dev |
| 18:52.30 | fxiny | that was in etch |
| 18:52.48 | valdyn | creichen: you shouldnt install anything in /usr that didnt come as a debian package |
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| 18:53.35 | sxy | okay |
| 18:53.40 | sxy | one more question |
| 18:53.43 | funyun | fxiny: still the same error :-( |
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| 18:53.57 | sxy | how can I stop the radeon module? |
| 18:54.03 | sxy | It won't stop |
| 18:54.07 | exn | where I can met with linuxman who is well familiar with pppd , freeradius as well as traffic accounting ? |
| 18:54.11 | fxiny | funyun: what flavour are you in ? |
| 18:54.19 | sxy | modprobe -r radeon drm |
| 18:54.26 | funyun | fxiny: Lenny |
| 18:54.30 | valdyn | sxy: whats the point of doing that? |
| 18:54.39 | sxy | em.. installing fglrx? |
| 18:54.42 | creichen | Seems that the problem persists if the fonts are in ~/.fonts instead, so I should ask some LaTeX gurus instead. |
| 18:54.45 | sxy | your howto says so |
| 18:54.47 | fxiny | funyun: why are you compiling it ? |
| 18:54.57 | sxy | but it doesn't want to unload it |
| 18:54.59 | valdyn | sxy: i dont think you can put 2 modules into one line with modprobe -r |
| 18:55.06 | valdyn | sxy: tell us the error message |
| 18:55.10 | funyun | fxiny: i need to be able to throttle single torrents. no other version allows that |
| 18:55.14 | sxy | justasec |
| 18:55.27 | valdyn | !tell exn -about ask |
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| 18:55.46 | sxy | FATAL:Module radeon is in use |
| 18:55.50 | fxiny | funyun: oh right , interesting |
| 18:55.51 | valdyn | exn: and alternatively www.debian.org has a list with for-pay consultants |
| 18:56.09 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 18:56.15 | valdyn | sxy: modprobe -r drm |
| 18:56.19 | sxy | okay |
| 18:56.20 | sxy | thx |
| 18:56.32 | sxy | same |
| 18:56.36 | sxy | module in use |
| 18:56.38 | valdyn | sxy: quit your X |
| 18:56.39 | Gorbulas | I'd been running Squeeze with Awesome(the window manager) for a while on two different computers(one x86 and one PPC) |
| 18:56.42 | sxy | how? |
| 18:56.45 | sxy | I?m in console |
| 18:56.52 | valdyn | sxy: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:56.54 | sxy | true console |
| 18:57.16 | Gorbulas | the PPC computer had some endianess issues with icons and some windows would get stuck on screen, but it was running OK |
| 18:57.39 | sxy | same |
| 18:57.44 | sxy | it says stopping gdm |
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| 18:57.50 | Gorbulas | I did a safe-upgrade today, and now awesome crashes as soon as a window is created on both computers |
| 18:58.00 | valdyn | sxy: now modprobe -r radeon |
| 18:58.04 | valdyn | sxy: and modprobe -r drm |
| 18:58.10 | sxy | same |
| 18:58.12 | sxy | module in use |
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| 18:58.19 | valdyn | sxy: for both? |
| 18:58.20 | sxy | I've stopped the gdm before |
| 18:58.22 | sxy | yes |
| 18:58.27 | valdyn | sxy: X is still running |
| 18:58.35 | valdyn | sxy: maybe you need to stop kdm or xdm |
| 18:58.42 | sxy | I'll try xdm |
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| 18:58.59 | sxy | no such file or folder |
| 18:59.10 | sxy | for both |
| 18:59.15 | sxy | what about xfce4 |
| 18:59.22 | sxy | what name does it have? |
| 18:59.26 | sxy | xfc4? |
| 18:59.26 | valdyn | sxy: xfce4 runs on top of X |
| 18:59.28 | sxy | xfc? |
| 18:59.34 | sxy | hm |
| 18:59.36 | sxy | what then |
| 18:59.40 | valdyn | sxy: i dont think it has its own login manager |
| 18:59.46 | sxy | no it doesn't |
| 18:59.48 | Gorbulas | I blame libxcb(which is still too old for me to compile the latest stable release of awesome after upgrading today). how do I get working compatible versions of libxcb and awesome? |
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| 19:00.11 | sxy | any other idea how to stop it? |
| 19:00.12 | sxy | :S |
| 19:00.18 | valdyn | sxy: pstree | grep Xorg |
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| 19:00.37 | Schuenemann | #ubunt |
| 19:01.14 | funyun | fxiny: any idea what could be wrong? |
| 19:01.55 | fxiny | funyun: nope . but i will try it myself , throttling a single torrent makes sense |
| 19:02.30 | sxy | gdm---gdm-+-Xorg |
| 19:02.38 | sxy | this is the output |
| 19:02.44 | funyun | fxiny: okay |
| 19:02.49 | sxy | |-gdm---gdm-+-Xorg |
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| 19:03.07 | fxiny | funyun: not now . later on |
| 19:03.19 | Nematocyst | got it. downloaded the .deb and installed manually with dpkg |
| 19:03.46 | sxy | hmm.. what next? |
| 19:04.19 | sxy | hm.. thanks for help, I appreciate it! :) |
| 19:04.41 | sxy | but I have to go. Looks like I will have to deal with this tommorow |
| 19:04.46 | funyun | fxiny: okay np. let me know if you figure something out |
| 19:04.54 | sxy | have to go studying :S |
| 19:04.59 | sxy | thanks and bb |
| 19:05.12 | fxiny | funyun: sure |
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| 19:08.52 | pundito | is a Sanskritist. He likes to read spell books in Sanskrit (really). |
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| 19:09.35 | pundito | I was refering to grymoire\(\.com\) |
| 19:10.13 | pundito | *grymoire(\.com)* |
| 19:10.31 | JordiGH | So... problems with WPA. How to diagnose? |
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| 19:11.30 | Schuenemann | is anyone using grub2? |
| 19:12.08 | abrotman | probably quite a few people |
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| 19:12.21 | Schuenemann | including you? |
| 19:12.25 | bkraptor | !grub2 |
| 19:12.25 | dpkg | GNU GRUB version 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GRUB version 0.9x). In development, not recommended for production systems, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | Schuenemann: just ask your real qustion |
| 19:12.40 | ajohnstone | I'm using ucarp, and trying to bind haproxy to multiple addresses for load balancing. |
| 19:12.41 | ajohnstone | ifdown: interface eth0:1 not configured |
| 19:12.41 | ajohnstone | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 19:12.41 | ajohnstone | Failed to bring up eth0:1. |
| 19:12.41 | ajohnstone | I've put /etc/network/interfaces on http://paste2.org/p/264627 can anyone give me some advice on this? |
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| 19:12.46 | Schuenemann | ok |
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| 19:12.59 | Schuenemann | abrotman, I have a usb stick with 4 partitions and distros |
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| 19:13.16 | Schuenemann | I installed grub with grub-install, but then I have no menu.lst |
| 19:13.23 | LuciusMare | hello,i have got a problem |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | grub2 doesn't use menu.lst |
| 19:13.33 | Schuenemann | I see update-grub only checks /boot, so I asked in #grub and they told me to install grub2 |
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| 19:13.42 | mesa_booger | oh my giddy aunt |
| 19:13.44 | abrotman | Schuenemann: which distro is managing grub? |
| 19:13.47 | LuciusMare | my font at qt is weird,it was nice,smooth but now its sharp and ugly |
| 19:14.12 | Schuenemann | abrotman, it's in /dev/sdb5, which has crunchbang |
| 19:14.22 | Gorbulas | LuciusMare: break out the sand paper |
| 19:14.27 | Schuenemann | but I installed it using debian, which is in my hd |
| 19:14.32 | Schuenemann | using grub-install |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | Schuenemann: which distro is managing grub? |
| 19:14.39 | pundito | sorry my previous post about grymoire, that was wrong channel :( |
| 19:14.46 | LuciusMare | and i can not use the backspace,when i hold it,it deletes only the first letter |
| 19:14.57 | Schuenemann | abrotman, what do you mean managing? |
| 19:15.14 | abrotman | Schuenemann: under which distro did you run 'grub-install' ? |
| 19:15.14 | Gorbulas | LuciusMare: make sure your antialiasing is enabled, but it sounds like you might have a bigger issue |
| 19:15.19 | Schuenemann | crunchbang |
| 19:15.21 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: have you got qt3-qtconfig and/or qt4-qtconfig installed ? |
| 19:15.24 | abrotman | then ask them .. not us |
| 19:15.29 | LuciusMare | Gorbulas: where i set it> |
| 19:15.31 | LuciusMare | ? |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | Schuenemann: and if they can't help you, ask #grub or ##linux |
| 19:16.00 | LuciusMare | mesa_booger: i do not know,how do i find out? |
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| 19:16.13 | Schuenemann | abrotman, isn't it the same to any distro? |
| 19:16.27 | Schuenemann | abrotman, and I can't boot it anyway |
| 19:16.38 | abrotman | Schuenemann: i have no idea .. i don't use crunchbang .. try #crunchbang .. you're offtopic here |
| 19:16.55 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: dpkg --get-selections | grep qtconfig |
| 19:17.02 | Schuenemann | abrotman, can't I generate a menu.lst from debian? |
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| 19:17.26 | abrotman | grub2 doesn't have menu.lst |
| 19:17.26 | LuciusMare | mesa_booger: qt4 |
| 19:17.35 | Schuenemann | I'm using grub-legacy |
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| 19:18.00 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: sudo apt-get install qt3-qtconfig |
| 19:18.23 | abrotman | Schuenemann: your grub isn't managed by debian .. this channel is for Debian support |
| 19:18.34 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: and turn on your anti-aliasing, as Gorbulas suggested |
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| 19:18.56 | LuciusMare | it was nice before |
| 19:18.59 | LuciusMare | but then i rebooted |
| 19:19.20 | mesa_booger | sounds like you'd be happier with vista ... |
| 19:19.44 | Gorbulas | why would anyone be happier with vista? |
| 19:20.06 | mesa_booger | because then they wouldn't have to think |
| 19:20.10 | LuciusMare | mesa_booger: where do i set it now? |
| 19:20.17 | LuciusMare | after installation? |
| 19:20.23 | Gorbulas | does vista have font smoothing turned on by default? XP still doesn't at SP 3 |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | ask ##windows |
| 19:21.18 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: have you got a menu on your desktop ? try actually looking in the menus provided. you'd be amazed just how much interesting stuff is in there ... |
| 19:21.25 | szymon_g | wonders why debian packages doesnt have --fstack-protector compillation-option (at least x86_64) |
| 19:21.46 | LuciusMare | mesa_booger: i am afraid,but no,there is no qt settings. |
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| 19:22.03 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: kde or gnome ? |
| 19:22.13 | LuciusMare | mesa_booger: e17 |
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| 19:22.42 | abrotman | LuciusMare: where did you get e17? |
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| 19:22.53 | LuciusMare | abrotman: sudo apt-get install e17 |
| 19:22.57 | mesa_booger | i think i already said "oh my giddy aunt". so i'll have to settle for - "well fix it yourself" |
| 19:23.01 | abrotman | LuciusMare: so you're running unstable? |
| 19:23.03 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | LuciusMare: there's only e17 in unstable |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | erm .. experimental |
| 19:23.33 | abrotman | LuciusMare: which version of debian are you running? |
| 19:23.39 | LuciusMare | does it change anything?: |
| 19:23.42 | LuciusMare | lenny |
| 19:23.44 | abrotman | it might |
| 19:23.53 | abrotman | so you're running lenny with experimental packages? |
| 19:24.05 | LuciusMare | no |
| 19:24.36 | abrotman | lenny doesn't have e17 |
| 19:25.09 | mesa_booger | "honestly, i found it in the street, officer" |
| 19:26.11 | LuciusMare | abrotman: line from my sources.list - deb http://packages.enlightenment.org/debian lenny main extras |
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| 19:26.22 | abrotman | awesome .. what could go wrong |
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| 19:26.39 | mesa_booger | haha |
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| 19:27.12 | LinuxMafia | any one can tell me command to install stable version of xserever-xorg |
| 19:27.22 | JordiGH | Is there something that will convert music oggs to mp3s and attempt to convert the tags too? |
| 19:27.25 | heyuxiang | ohh mibbit ... nice |
| 19:27.29 | heyuxiang | i am on i t |
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| 19:27.39 | JordiGH | LinuxMafia: Running stable, aptitude install xserver-xorg. |
| 19:27.46 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: aptitude install xorg |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | JordiGH: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:27.58 | Gorbulas | it doesn't look too dangerous to me |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: aptitude install xorg |
| 19:28.11 | abrotman | please don't use the ocmmand JordiGH gave you |
| 19:28.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: I did, didn't find anything, so I guess not. |
| 19:28.13 | LinuxMafia | i need version |
| 19:28.16 | heyuxiang | i come here and have to say something : windows is a motherfucking piece of shit ! fuck windows ! fuck microsoft ! |
| 19:28.20 | Gorbulas | I don't see any nonenlightenment packages in there |
| 19:28.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: i found something yesterday |
| 19:28.20 | LinuxMafia | i am on unstable |
| 19:28.27 | LuciusMare | where should i edit qt's settings? |
| 19:28.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: What did you find? |
| 19:28.32 | abrotman | heyuxiang: this is a support channel for Debian .. keep it on topic |
| 19:28.38 | abrotman | JordiGH: i'm not going to search again for you |
| 19:28.41 | LinuxMafia | abrotman, i need version too |
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| 19:28.52 | JordiGH | abrotman: What did you search for? |
| 19:28.53 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: why? aptitude install xorg .. should work just fine |
| 19:29.14 | LinuxMafia | abrotman, in my mirror.list |
| 19:29.23 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: i just gave you the command |
| 19:29.26 | JordiGH | Linuturk: If you're on unstable, then you can't run stable xorg. |
| 19:29.40 | JordiGH | LinuxMafia: At least not reliably. |
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| 19:30.11 | JordiGH | abrotman: I tried searching for 'mp3 ogg convert' |
| 19:30.21 | JordiGH | abrotman: Got about 20 hits. |
| 19:30.35 | redguy | hi, I have a problem with kvm running on lenny. Under a certain load (supposedly a mix of network and disk I/O) in the guest the kvm process on the host eats 100% cpu. stracing the process shows that it's spinning on read() from fds corresponding to signalfd and /dev/net/tun. The read() on /dev/net/tun fails with EAGAIN. Any hints? |
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| 19:31.04 | JordiGH | abrotman: Of those, only soundconverter seems to be specifically about converting oggs to mp3s (or other formats). |
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| 19:31.14 | JordiGH | abrotman: Does soundconverter also convert the tags? |
| 19:31.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: i'm *not* going to search again for you .. you're quite capable of reading for yourself |
| 19:31.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: What did you search for, and what did you find? It'll be faster for everyone involved if you to say the name of the package instead of just being an ass for no reason. |
| 19:31.59 | abrotman | it'd be faster if you'd just read |
| 19:32.01 | Gorbulas | 20 hits? where? if you search on google you get about a million hits trying to get you to install adware |
| 19:32.13 | abrotman | Gorbulas: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:32.14 | heyuxiang | abrotman: agree with me ? |
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| 19:32.27 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, it's not being faster, because I'm doing that right now, and it's already taken longer than it would for you to say the name of the package. |
| 19:32.42 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: searching in apt. |
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| 19:33.34 | JordiGH | abrotman: Perhaps sox? Its description doesn't mention anything about converting tags, though. |
| 19:33.49 | heyuxiang | if mac is as cheep as pc , who will go around the fucking windows ? |
| 19:34.04 | abrotman | heyuxiang: this is a Debian support channel, keep it on topic |
| 19:34.10 | mesa_booger | yeah, come on abrotman. you're supposed to serve the higher eschelons of society without flinching :) |
| 19:34.22 | heyuxiang | abrotman: are u a robot? |
| 19:34.23 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I wrote a script to do it |
| 19:34.32 | abrotman | heyuxiang: do you have a Debian question? |
| 19:34.46 | heyuxiang | yes |
| 19:34.47 | funyun | noob here, i'm trying to configure rtorrent but i get this error http://pastebin.ca/1459160 . anyone know what's going on? |
| 19:34.48 | heyuxiang | i have |
| 19:34.48 | \amethyst | JordiGH: moment, I'll post it somewhere |
| 19:34.50 | rgr | JordiGH: What are you trying to do? Organise tags in a music collection on Debian? |
| 19:35.02 | JordiGH | rgr: Convert some tagged oggs to tagged mp3s. |
| 19:35.09 | heyuxiang | why is debian so down-to-date ? |
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| 19:35.43 | Geekman | hi |
| 19:36.08 | redguy | JordiGH: dpkg is not the only place to get info on packages. Google is much better http://lmgtfy.com/?q=soundconvert+tags . Try the first result |
| 19:36.11 | JordiGH | \amethyst: That'd be nice, thanks. I normally use ffmpeg and tagtool, but there has to be a better way. mp32ogg is good about keeping tags, but it doesn't work the other way. |
| 19:36.17 | heyuxiang | funyun: have you installed openssl ? |
| 19:36.26 | Geekman | someone can help me debug why I have so much collission and RX error in my ifconfig eth0 please ? |
| 19:36.34 | funyun | heyuxiang: yes |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | funyun: rtorrent is already in debian |
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| 19:36.52 | JordiGH | redguy: The first hit is a non-free non-Debian download. |
| 19:36.58 | abrotman | Geekman: it's probably a networking issue .. like a hardware issue |
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| 19:37.12 | heyuxiang | funyun: run pacman -S rtorrent |
| 19:37.23 | funyun | abrotman: i need to be able to throttle single torrents. no other version allows that. |
| 19:37.46 | mesa_booger | heyuxiang: down-todate is a synonym for "stable" |
| 19:37.59 | abrotman | heyuxiang: this is a debian support channel .. pacman isn't even a command |
| 19:38.01 | Geekman | abrotman : so it's my network card cause all my other server connect to the same switch with same hardware don't have this issue |
| 19:38.11 | LuciusMare | where should i edit qt's settings? |
| 19:38.19 | abrotman | Geekman: or your switch port .. or your cable .. all kinds of possibilities |
| 19:38.22 | heyuxiang | ohh , yeah , i forgot about it ... |
| 19:38.23 | \amethyst | JordiGH: http://s-z.org/neil/progs/ogg2mp3.html http://s-z.org/neil/progs/ogg2mp3 |
| 19:38.26 | JordiGH | LuciusMare: qt-settings or similar |
| 19:38.37 | mesa_booger | LuciusMare: run qt3-qtconfig from the command line. or qt4-qtconfig |
| 19:38.38 | funyun | heyuxiang: pacman: command not found |
| 19:38.48 | redguy | JordiGH: not on my search result page. Although the ubuntu forum post it points to is not relevant to your question. Sorry about that :-) |
| 19:38.54 | abrotman | funyun: ignore him .. he's a troll |
| 19:38.55 | heyuxiang | funyun: sorry, it's an archlinux command |
| 19:38.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: it uses id3, vorbis-tools, and lame |
| 19:39.08 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Thanks, this should do the trick. |
| 19:39.10 | abrotman | funyun: you did a ./configure .. and it worked fine ? |
| 19:39.23 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I don't guarantee that it handles all the tags properly :) |
| 19:39.25 | funyun | abrotman: no. that's what gave me the error |
| 19:39.32 | rgr | JordiGH: did you look at pacpl? |
| 19:39.42 | Gorbulas | one time when I was running Archlinux, I installed a pacman game⦠|
| 19:39.50 | abrotman | funyun: on lenny? |
| 19:39.54 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Should be fine, mostly ASCII tags. |
| 19:39.56 | Gorbulas | and had no package manager |
| 19:39.56 | funyun | abrotman: yes |
| 19:40.02 | \amethyst | JordiGH: in particularly, it only handles title, artist, album, tracknumber, and genre; and I'm not sure the last is really handled correctly |
| 19:40.03 | heyuxiang | a troll sometimes brings funny things ... follow me on twitter : afanono |
| 19:40.04 | JordiGH | rgr: No, does it do tags? Its description doesn't mention it. |
| 19:40.22 | rgr | it says so here (and other related info) : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=39612 |
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| 19:40.43 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 19:40.46 | Gorbulas | you can't do genre properly because ID3 tags do it a stupid way |
| 19:40.48 | LuciusMare | so it seems to be another problem |
| 19:40.48 | \amethyst | JordiGH: it doesn't handle year or comment, but you could add those |
| 19:40.50 | rgr | JordiGH: did abrotman tell you the packagename he eluded to? |
| 19:40.52 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: yeah |
| 19:40.57 | heyuxiang | Gorbulas: what ? a pacman game ? |
| 19:41.06 | LuciusMare | when i run qt settings it is perfect,and nice,and so.but when i run skype or psi... |
| 19:41.17 | heyuxiang | and no package manager ? |
| 19:41.18 | heyuxiang | how ? |
| 19:41.22 | Gorbulas | yes. I installed a pacman game and it replaced my package manager |
| 19:41.24 | heyuxiang | did you make it |
| 19:41.24 | \amethyst | 136: Christian Gangsta Rap |
| 19:41.33 | heyuxiang | cool |
| 19:41.43 | abrotman | Gorbulas: if you want to discuss Arch linux, go to that channel |
| 19:41.45 | \amethyst | 108: Primus |
| 19:42.06 | heyuxiang | and you can register "username " oh facebook, so that others can't register their own username ... |
| 19:42.19 | JordiGH | rgr: Nope. I wonder if it wsa pacpl. |
| 19:42.22 | Gorbulas | who's job was it to enumerate every passible genre for ID3 tags? |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | heyuxiang: this is a Debian support channel, keep it on-topic |
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| 19:42.29 | Geekman | abrotman how can I eliminate software issue before going to the datacenter ? |
| 19:42.31 | ajavid | good afternoon |
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| 19:42.49 | JordiGH | Gorbulas: I think it was the winamp devs who originally did the genres for ID3 tags. They were cute and put Primus as its own genre. |
| 19:42.52 | abrotman | Geekman: check for issues with your driver |
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| 19:43.03 | heyuxiang | abrotman: thanks, iam leaving now before you kick my ass ... |
| 19:43.07 | rgr | JordiGH: some people here get a bit full of them selves and rather prissy. They need to take a break if the weight of the world is on them :-; |
| 19:43.09 | abrotman | thank you |
| 19:43.18 | BCM43 | how can a mange the wireless connection from the cli? |
| 19:43.25 | rgr | But pacpl seems a good start. |
| 19:43.48 | ajavid | I've been using sonbird for a day, can't get it to output sound. It requires gstreamer, afaict all the dependencies are satisfied. Anyone have experience getting sonbird to work in debian? |
| 19:43.48 | mesa_booger | BCM43: wireless-tools like iwconfig/iwlist etc are a good start |
| 19:43.54 | JordiGH | Wow, Linux 2.6.29 seems to have enabled a really annoying system bell. |
| 19:43.55 | heyuxiang | abrotman: i am just a little bored with windows ... |
| 19:44.02 | ajavid | BCM43, install wireless-tools |
| 19:44.09 | ajavid | BCM43, man iwconfig |
| 19:44.11 | abrotman | heyuxiang: try #debian-offtopic |
| 19:44.19 | heyuxiang | JordiGH: 30,now |
| 19:44.24 | BCM43 | i have it, but i can only run them as root |
| 19:44.27 | heyuxiang | abrotman: ok |
| 19:44.39 | ajavid | songbird* |
| 19:44.49 | funyun | abrotman: any idea why i can't configure? |
| 19:44.49 | mesa_booger | i quite like wavemon too. shows some nice colourful stats |
| 19:44.58 | abrotman | funyun: i'm still getting packages.. hold on |
| 19:45.00 | JordiGH | heyuxiang: 2.6.30 isn't packaged yet, is it? |
| 19:45.18 | Geekman | abrotman it's a Intel(R) PRO/1000 with debian native driver |
| 19:45.19 | funyun | abrotman: okay np |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | Geekman: the driver might have options ot try .. maybe ask #networking what common causes are |
| 19:46.11 | heyuxiang | JordiGH: alreally packed on arch and gentoo . |
| 19:46.32 | Geekman | thanks |
| 19:47.13 | JordiGH | heyuxiang: That's nice, but they're not Debian. |
| 19:47.51 | BCM43xx | :) |
| 19:47.56 | abrotman | funyun: and this is lenny? which version are you trying to compile ? |
| 19:47.59 | jelly-home | nick changing, that's a new one |
| 19:48.37 | BCM43xx | haha |
| 19:48.50 | funyun | abrotman: from svn. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/Install |
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| 19:49.10 | abrotman | funyun: my lenny doesn't have an up to date enough libtorrent-dev to compile even 0.8.4 |
| 19:50.28 | funyun | abrotman: so lenny isn't capable of installing from svn? |
| 19:50.38 | abrotman | funyun: i'm getting a different error than you |
| 19:50.39 | jelly-home | funyun: it should be. |
| 19:50.49 | jelly-home | judd: versions libtorrent-rasterbar2 |
| 19:50.50 | judd | jelly-home: libtorrent-rasterbar2 -- squeeze: 0.14.2-2+b1 |
| 19:50.56 | funyun | abrotman: which did you get? |
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| 19:51.04 | abrotman | 0.8.4 |
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| 19:51.14 | jelly-home | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 19:51.14 | judd | jelly-home: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 squeeze: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.4+tit-4 |
| 19:51.28 | jelly-home | what's with the tit. |
| 19:51.48 | funyun | abrotman: i've compiled 0.8.4 before with no problems on lenny |
| 19:51.56 | jelly-home | funyun: are you going the ssb way + uupdate, or something different? |
| 19:52.00 | abrotman | just tried .. it complained |
| 19:52.09 | jelly-home | or abrotman, whoever. |
| 19:52.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: not me .. i don't care |
| 19:52.26 | abrotman | i'm just trying ot help |
| 19:52.57 | funyun | jelly-home: not sure what you mean? |
| 19:53.07 | jelly-home | !ssb |
| 19:53.08 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:53.10 | jelly-home | !uupdate |
| 19:53.11 | abrotman | checking for libtorrent... configure: error: Package requirements (libtorrent >= 0.12.4) were not met: |
| 19:53.11 | dpkg | uupdate (in the devscripts package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz |
| 19:53.15 | abrotman | as far as i get |
| 19:53.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, backport libtorrent first |
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| 19:53.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: no thanks :) |
| 19:53.44 | abrotman | i'm just pointing out that i don't get the same error he does |
| 19:53.44 | jelly-home | well then! |
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| 19:54.52 | jelly-home | I wonder if judd has something like apt-cache showsrc |
| 19:55.09 | jelly-home | judd: versions libtorrent11 |
| 19:55.10 | judd | jelly-home: libtorrent11 -- sid: 0.12.4+tit-1 |
| 19:55.27 | jelly-home | that should be fairly straight to backport |
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| 19:55.46 | funyun | abrotman: you're trying to install a different version than me |
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| 19:56.17 | abrotman | funyun: you're using svn .. i'm using the latest release .. i still can't compile it .. have you backported libtorrent ? |
| 19:56.42 | redguy | hi, I have a problem with kvm running on lenny. Under a certain load (supposedly a mix of network and disk I/O) in the guest the kvm process on the host eats 100% cpu. stracing the process shows that it's spinning on read() from fds corresponding to signalfd and /dev/net/tun. The read() on /dev/net/tun fails with EAGAIN. Any hints? Should I open a bug although I don't have a good testcase? |
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| 19:57.22 | dmoerner | wow, who thought that tit was a good acronym for tar-in-tar must have been having a good time... |
| 19:57.31 | jelly-home | funyun: it should be fairly simple to build from svn, if you know how to create a tarball out of the tree you checked out |
| 19:57.54 | jelly-home | dmoerner: tit for tar in tar! |
| 19:58.31 | funyun | abrotman: not sure what that means. i read what jelly posted and i'm still confused :-( |
| 19:58.45 | Gorbulas | what other acronym could it have? |
| 19:58.56 | jelly-home | funyun: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:58.58 | funyun | jelly-home: no clue how to do that? can you help me out? |
| 19:59.02 | jelly-home | funyun: do it that way. |
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| 20:01.02 | jelly-home | funyun: do that procedure for "libtorrent11" first, install the resulting debs, then do it for rtorrent |
| 20:01.58 | jelly-home | funyun: that won't get you the version from svn, but rather rtorrent 0.8.4 |
| 20:02.34 | Gorbulas | is anyone using software that depends on libxcb on a current installation of Squeeze? |
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| 20:03.02 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: directly? Or merely via libx11? |
| 20:03.15 | funyun | jelly-home: i can get 0.8.4 with no problem |
| 20:03.25 | funyun | jelly-home: i need the version from svn |
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| 20:03.45 | Gorbulas | I'm getting a double free in xcb_get_wm_size_hints_reply when I open an xterm in awesome |
| 20:03.50 | jelly-home | funyun: ok. you're likely to need a matching libtorrent version, too |
| 20:04.36 | Gorbulas | I had to compile a new .deb because the old one would segfault and GDB would give me a message about stack corruption |
| 20:04.53 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: can you pastebin your dpkg -l libxcb\* libx11\* xterm|grep ^.i ? Which architecture? |
| 20:05.10 | mesa_booger | Gorbulas: sounds painful. maybe malloc debugging is needed |
| 20:05.10 | Gorbulas | PPC and x86 |
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| 20:05.48 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: versions on the i386 install please then ;-) |
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| 20:06.56 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: or you could go directly over to #debian-x on irc.debian.org and nag them |
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| 20:07.01 | mesa_booger | valgrind should be able to tell you something. but really the developer should do that stuff, not the end-user |
| 20:07.53 | jelly-home | being reproducible on two arches makes it look like an actual bug, not a misbuild |
| 20:08.11 | Gorbulas | http://pastie.org/510928 |
| 20:08.35 | Gorbulas | that's the x86. I haven't tried rebuilding there yet |
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| 20:11.09 | Gorbulas | when I try to open an xterm there, I get SIGSEGV, and the backtrace is two frames of 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 20:11.48 | betz | Can someone tell me how to disable 'Safe mode'? |
| 20:11.56 | Gorbulas | sudo apt-get build-dep awesome is making me install texlive, so I can't try a new build until later |
| 20:12.12 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: for the packages existing here, I have the same versions. |
| 20:12.35 | jelly-home | xterm works |
| 20:12.37 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 20:12.38 | Gorbulas | does awesome work for you? |
| 20:12.49 | Gorbulas | it's awesome crashing when I open an xterm |
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| 20:13.16 | Gorbulas | but it's the same version of awesome that used to be working |
| 20:13.16 | mesa_booger | Gorbulas: unexpected segv is usually due to a library mismatch. sounds like testing or unstable somewhere in the mix |
| 20:13.17 | jelly-home | have to install it first |
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| 20:14.40 | jelly-home | It'is bringing in awesome 3.2.1-1, libev3 3.43-1.1, and the rest are like on your paste |
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| 20:15.25 | Gorbulas | those are the versions I have |
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| 20:17.05 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531310 |
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| 20:17.59 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: it's in libxcb-icccm1... 0.3.4 or earlier don't work with libxcb1 1.3 |
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| 20:18.28 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: you need 0.3.5 from sid apparently |
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| 20:18.39 | Gorbulas | that's the error that comes up on my PPC machine, but not what happens with the old build of awesome from the squeeze repository |
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| 20:20.17 | Shadow_7 | xorg + 2.6.28.10 + ati fglrx driver == no mouse + no keyboard. Although the gui comes up and the clock keeps ticking. Is there something I'm missing from a partial xorg upgrade in debian sid? Or is this a known and expected result? More importantly how do I get my gui back? ATI HD4550 with HDMI out to DVI adaptered LCD. Sometimes HDTV, but not with current wattages. AMD x86_64 |
| 20:20.20 | Gorbulas | I'm going to stop installing Tex then |
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| 20:21.08 | Gorbulas | the x86 machine only has a noisy 12GB hard drive. I don't need to load any more stuff on it |
| 20:22.28 | \amethyst | Shadow_7: are the packages xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse installed, and are they the correct versions to work with the version of xserver-xorg-core you have? |
| 20:22.38 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: partially known. you need Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" in the server section |
| 20:23.13 | Shadow_7 | input-kbd and input-mouse are installed, although I had to manually install them even though input-all was/is installed. |
| 20:23.32 | \amethyst | Shadow_7: what versions are those three packages at? |
| 20:23.33 | mesa_booger | and i opted for Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" and Option "AutoEnableDevices" "off" as well |
| 20:23.34 | Gorbulas | so can I grab the deb for libxcb-icccm1 from sid or could that cause problems? |
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| 20:24.14 | Shadow_7 | mesa_booger: in addition to, or instead of? |
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| 20:24.34 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: in addition to. i have all 3 |
| 20:24.45 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: you'll probably have to grab the newer version sof libxcb-atom1, libxcb-property1, and libxcb-event1 |
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| 20:25.18 | \amethyst | Gorbulas: but other than that the dependencies look to be compatible with squeeze |
| 20:25.19 | Shadow_7 | sounds like a weiner, err winner... |
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| 20:26.00 | Shadow_7 | so "CoreKeyboard" and "CorePointer" are redundant towards this issue? |
| 20:26.11 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: you can enable sid repo, carefully examine what an install would do... apply if it's reasonably nonintrusive and remove the repo; testing and sid are quite close at this point |
| 20:26.18 | Shadow_7 | s/redundant/unrelated/ |
| 20:26.43 | jelly-home | Gorbulas: aptitude -s install libxcb-icccm1/unstable |
| 20:26.45 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: unrelated. i could always post my xorg.conf i suppose. hang on |
| 20:26.57 | LinDrug | I just wanted to install debian testing, after booting the boot menu from the cd works, but if I choose installer, it says "i8042.c : no controller found" and after that, I can't do anything. Any ideas? |
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| 20:27.03 | Shadow_7 | my xorg was working. barely. |
| 20:27.13 | Shadow_7 | But missing those elements. |
| 20:27.45 | Shadow_7 | previous 2.6.28.7 and fglrx 9.4 was buggy. For some reason I needed to reinstall the ati driver after every reboot. |
| 20:27.48 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i have a quick question in regards to iceweasel and that is the current version that is installed is 3.0.6 and firefox current version is 3.0.11; anything i should be concerned about? |
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| 20:28.51 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: don't laugh at my graphics card - http://nopaste.com/p/a2rvTeQ0r :) |
| 20:29.11 | Shadow_7 | how do I open that in irssi? |
| 20:29.26 | Gorbulas | :( that PC has no keyboard because I use synergy with it, but synergy isn't running. I should be able to SSH to it, except that the mdns just started failing |
| 20:29.45 | mesa_booger | irssi ? no idea |
| 20:29.56 | betz | How do i restart php in debian? |
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| 20:30.11 | \amethyst | betz: restart the web server |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | restart apache |
| 20:30.12 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: you could always use wget, and read it in vi or whatever |
| 20:30.16 | Gorbulas | php is not a server afaik |
| 20:30.19 | \amethyst | betz: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:30.26 | Shadow_7 | got it via lynx on another console, the hard way. no cut and paste... |
| 20:30.37 | mesa_booger | haha |
| 20:30.46 | betz | ah, i was trying /etc/init.d/php restart |
| 20:30.48 | betz | thanx |
| 20:30.50 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: gpm ftw |
| 20:30.51 | Shadow_7 | wget sounds better. |
| 20:30.56 | LinDrug | any ideas? |
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| 20:31.17 | Gorbulas | FX 5200 isn't bad |
| 20:31.24 | Gorbulas | this PC has a Radeon 9200 |
| 20:31.26 | Shadow_7 | Well I've limited my inittab to only two gettys, so only two consoles to choose from. |
| 20:31.50 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i have a quick question in regards to iceweasel and that is the current version that is installed is 3.0.6 and firefox current version is 3.0.11; anything i should be concerned about? |
| 20:32.18 | mesa_booger | Gorbulas: i sed to have one of those. i prefer the ati radeons. cos the xorg radeon driver is pretty good now. goes right up to x1950 or thereabouts |
| 20:33.07 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: you are *so* right. any more than 2 is overkill. you have to adjust kdm/gdm/xdm tho, as i'm sure you know |
| 20:33.21 | Gorbulas | I have a computer with some card that has xvmc support, but that computer cannot play DVDs and it doesn't have USB 2.0 so there's nothing worth playing on it |
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| 20:33.28 | jelly-home | mimiloon: lots of functionality (and security bugs) is in xulrunner-1.9 package |
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| 20:34.15 | Shadow_7 | mesa_booger: should I be concerned that yours is nVidia and not ATI, or is it universally annoying? |
| 20:34.26 | mesa_booger | mimiloon: 3.0.9 is in testing |
| 20:34.27 | binrapt | ftp 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:34.27 | binrapt | Connected to 127.0.0.1. |
| 20:34.27 | binrapt | Can't exec "/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd": No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
| 20:34.33 | LuciusMare | !tell LuciusMare about non-free sources |
| 20:34.42 | binrapt | pure-ftpd is integrated with inetd it seems and I don't know how to remove it |
| 20:34.51 | binrapt | I just want the connection to be refused instead of inetd'ed |
| 20:35.02 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: universally annoying. they want people to ditch their xorg.conf files |
| 20:35.02 | binrapt | When somebody tries to connect to the FTP port via TCP |
| 20:35.23 | jelly-home | mesa_booger: however testing has an even older xulrunner than what's in lenny security updates |
| 20:35.24 | Gorbulas | edit your /etc/inetd or /etc/xinetd or whatever |
| 20:35.37 | \amethyst | betz: sounds like you still have pure-ftpd-common installed but not pure-ftpd |
| 20:35.46 | mimiloon | thanks alot for the info |
| 20:35.59 | Shadow_7 | they? ati/nvidia? freedesktop.org? debian.org? ??? |
| 20:36.01 | mesa_booger | jelly-home: hmmm interesting. i'll just have a wee look |
| 20:36.12 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: xorg.org |
| 20:36.14 | \amethyst | betz: comment out the line in /etc/inetd.conf (add # at the beginning of the line), then uninstall pure-ftpd-common |
| 20:36.23 | binrapt | \amethyst thanks |
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| 20:36.59 | Shadow_7 | so it's an X conspiracy... Is there something that's supposed to be better? Because X -configure segfaulted. |
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| 20:37.02 | mesa_booger | i think they call that kind of thing "tail-recursive", sometimes |
| 20:37.03 | betz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.22 | LinDrug | I just wanted to install debian testing, after booting the boot menu from the cd works, but if I choose installer, it says "i8042.c : no controller found" and after that, I can't do anything. Any ideas? |
| 20:37.36 | \amethyst | betz: doh, sorry :) |
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| 20:37.51 | \amethyst | betz: I should get in the habit of typing more than one character before pressing tab :) |
| 20:37.57 | mesa_booger | LinDrug: that is the controller for the keyboard/ps2 sockets. so it sounds important |
| 20:38.07 | Shadow_7 | LinDrug: sounds like you're missing some serial drivers for keyboard and stuff from the kernel on that one. |
| 20:38.40 | betz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.45 | LinDrug | Stable is working... But if I can't boot I have no chance to fix that, right? |
| 20:38.58 | Gorbulas | woo I got an xterm |
| 20:39.06 | mesa_booger | .... other than the power of prayer |
| 20:39.10 | mesa_booger | :) |
| 20:39.28 | mesa_booger | KEYBOARD ERROR - Press F1 to continue |
| 20:39.38 | enouf | LinDrug: you could just do a dist-upgrade from stable, however - while stable is installed and working, find out the issue with Squeeze installer - you are using a Daily correct? |
| 20:39.45 | Shadow_7 | LinDrug: ideally you would have kept the old bootable kernel in place. grub can let you choose it, either by leaving the old menu option in place or by manually launching in command mode "c". |
| 20:40.08 | enouf | Shadow_7: using Lenny? (X -configure) |
| 20:40.28 | LinDrug | enouf: Yeah, i'm using the daily |
| 20:40.35 | Shadow_7 | enouf: debian/unstable (but I'm on dialup so I only upgrade once every three to six months) |
| 20:40.44 | Shadow_7 | (and that takes almost a month to catch up) |
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| 20:41.00 | enouf | mesa_booger: only thing i saw recently was xulrunner got a security fix for Lenny |
| 20:41.03 | enouf | IINM |
| 20:41.17 | enouf | judd: versions xulrunner |
| 20:41.17 | judd | enouf: xulrunner -- etch: 1.8.0.15~pre080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.8.0.15~pre080614i-0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1.8.1.14-3.1 squeeze-multimedia: 1.8.1.14-3.1 |
| 20:41.39 | enouf | erm, an 'xulrunner-something' pkg then ... hrm |
| 20:41.40 | abrotman | i think you mean xulrunner-1.9 ? |
| 20:41.49 | enouf | there we go |
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| 20:42.24 | mesa_booger | enouf: thank you, squire |
| 20:42.28 | abrotman | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 20:42.29 | judd | abrotman: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2 squeeze: 1.9.0.7-1 lenny-security: 1.9.0.9-0lenny2 sid: 1.9.0.10-1 |
| 20:42.45 | jelly-home | and 1.9.0.11 being the latest |
| 20:42.57 | Shadow_7 | anyway, thanks mesa_booger and others. Off to test the new parms... Maybe I can check my yahoo mail now for the meetings I probably missed already and other down syndromes. |
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| 20:43.31 | jelly-home | so stable has something close to Firefox 3.0.10, judging by the changelog |
| 20:43.42 | enouf | Shadow_7: i do as well - well .. i upgrade as i need ... but try Xorg -configure .. (it's weird, cause i recall running strings on /etc/X11/X IIRC, and found the -configure option? let me check that |
| 20:43.43 | mesa_booger | Shadow_7: later dude |
| 20:44.50 | enouf | Shadow_7: yeash, /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /usr/bin/xorg ELF |
| 20:44.52 | enouf | ~$ strings /usr/bin/Xorg | grep configure |
| 20:45.06 | enouf | er .. s/xorg/Xorg/ |
| 20:45.19 | LinDrug | enouf: Shadow_7: thx, I'll try it :) |
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| 20:45.55 | Shadow_7 | it'll just be nice to not have to boot knoppix to fsck reiserfs before rebooting for another attempt. 2.6.29+ seems nice though, if fglrx ever gets updated for it. 2.6.29 fb critters are nice. |
| 20:46.31 | Shadow_7 | very wind in the willows -ish. |
| 20:46.59 | craigevil | Shadow_7: rathr than dist-upgrade every few months on dialup why not dist-upgrade daily few packages that way |
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| 20:47.44 | Shadow_7 | craigevil: rarely useful that way. 1+ hour per day on average. And a lot of times the same packages over and over again. i.e. openoffice and other bulky ones. |
| 20:48.20 | Shadow_7 | most times the day after I'm updated, I'm 800MB behind. |
| 20:48.41 | craigevil | things tend to break less the more often you dist-upgrade |
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| 20:49.15 | Shadow_7 | Once I'm functional, I tend not to upgrade, until forced to do so. |
| 20:50.21 | Shadow_7 | I used to do daily upates. But it proved a bit redundant and when something does break, it takes a week until I can use it again in some cases. |
| 20:50.35 | abrotman | that's not a good method to use with unstable |
| 20:51.04 | nsadmin | Shadow_7: so you're running sid? and you're not reading the source or at least the diff of the packages that come in to figure out whether the package would work? |
| 20:51.36 | Shadow_7 | is there an apt-get changelog ? |
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| 20:51.59 | nsadmin | there's apt-get source :) |
| 20:52.05 | Gorbulas | awesome is working, but the endianess is still wrong on the icons when I run it on my PPC computer |
| 20:52.22 | valdyn | Shadow_7: apt-listchanges |
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| 20:52.33 | Shadow_7 | dialup is roughly 10MB per hour, so I tend to be minimalistic at times. |
| 20:52.43 | Shadow_7 | 15MB per hour on a good day. |
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| 20:53.02 | Shadow_7 | Many times apt-get update takes an hour. |
| 20:53.29 | valdyn | Shadow_7: not getting the diffs? |
| 20:53.50 | Shadow_7 | Not if you wait more than a week between updates. |
| 20:53.58 | valdyn | I see |
| 20:54.24 | valdyn | guess i wouldnt use sid on dialup |
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| 20:54.53 | Shadow_7 | assuming the thing didn't update while updating and you need to start back at square one. |
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| 20:55.27 | nsadmin | so by "minimalistic" you mean you take the gamble on each package not just on whether it would break, but also what other packages it would brean and even just how it would influence your system |
| 20:56.05 | Shadow_7 | I had thought it was stable at one point. But I guess because it's dual core and all I went with sid when I set this one up. The other reason for not updating daily. About five desktops here to update. With different flavors of debian. all over the same dialup connection. |
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| 20:56.59 | nsadmin | it's up to you of course, it's your machine... |
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| 20:57.56 | Gorbulas | I used to upgrade my SuSE8 system to the latest KDE over dialup until I replaced libc++ with an incompatible version |
| 20:58.01 | Shadow_7 | minimalistic also means I don't run a lot of things a lot of the time. Like cron, inetd, atd, portmap, nfs-common, dbus / hal / avahi, yada yada yada... If I'm not using it, it's not running. My ps -Al output is rarely larger than one screens worth. 80% of which are kernel threads. |
| 20:58.08 | Gorbulas | took the entire weekend |
| 20:59.09 | Gorbulas | there's probably a way to make one of your machines act as a mirror for the other machines so you only need to download the packages once if you run them all on the same release |
| 20:59.53 | nsadmin | you have backup strategies implemented? especially for the sid box |
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| 21:00.10 | Shadow_7 | Gorbulas: true, but 2 of the 5 are x86_64. And those I don't use I generally keep set to debian stable as installed from a CD set. |
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| 21:01.00 | Gorbulas | some packages are the same for all architectures too |
| 21:01.07 | nsadmin | just so you know there are security updates for stable |
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| 21:01.38 | Shadow_7 | nsadmin: most of my data is stored on external HDDs via USB docking station. Otherwise the only backup is that I retain the knowledge to install from scratch. And can copy most configure things from other in house boxes if need be. |
| 21:02.12 | nsadmin | do you do any real work on these machines? |
| 21:02.37 | nsadmin | that perhaps generates data stored on files? |
| 21:02.55 | Shadow_7 | Mostly media editing and content creation. No real server type work. Just desktop things. |
| 21:03.24 | nsadmin | you probably do -not- want to use the sid box for any of that. |
| 21:03.47 | Shadow_7 | Only the active project resides on the local discs. Once at a delivery point, I offload /home/ to external harddrives. |
| 21:05.01 | Shadow_7 | I sort of have to in some respects. HD media requiring some of the latest warez. Rosegarden, audacity, ardour, and others not being as available in stable and such. |
| 21:05.29 | nsadmin | you can always build those |
| 21:05.38 | Gorbulas | are they in squeeze? |
| 21:05.57 | Shadow_7 | I know, not secure by any means. But it'd take a patient hacker to hack me over dialup. If my connection stays up long enough for them to make a connection. |
| 21:06.19 | Shadow_7 | nsadmin: some of the require recent versions of -dev and gcc. So not always. |
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| 21:08.20 | Shadow_7 | time to test. bbl if not successful. |
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| 21:08.31 | nsadmin | not thinking much about security, more thinking of stability, first of all at the kernel level -- filesystem drivers, block drivers in the main. |
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| 21:11.28 | MrWax | in the sites-available conf files, can I also specify for example like this <VirtualHost www.domain.com, domain.com> and ServerName www.domain.com, domain.com ? |
| 21:11.56 | jamon | MrWax: use ServerAlias |
| 21:12.20 | nsadmin | runs sid, does real work, no backup plan, updates randomly... in short, good luck with all that! |
| 21:12.34 | MrWax | jamon: can you explain how in this case? |
| 21:14.07 | jamon | MrWax: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#serveralias |
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| 21:20.25 | MrWax | jamon: ok, but what should i fill in there? |
| 21:20.34 | MrWax | don't really understand |
| 21:20.53 | nsadmin | what don't you understand? |
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| 21:21.36 | binrapt | Hmm what software would you use to set up an SCP server with virtual users? |
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| 21:22.55 | sylarr | is rdiff-backup reliable ? |
| 21:23.45 | LinuxMafia | how can i re-install every thing |
| 21:24.04 | Shadow_7 | it worked, back in X. with DRI even. |
| 21:24.05 | LinuxMafia | in system |
| 21:24.06 | streuner | whats *everything*? |
| 21:24.21 | streuner | oh, thats a bad idea ;-) |
| 21:24.47 | streuner | because usually the mirrors doesnt fit with the system you already have installed... |
| 21:25.01 | LinuxMafia | streuner, i want to downgrade from unstable to stable |
| 21:25.09 | nsadmin | LinuxMafia: you can just boot the installer, and wipe and then install |
| 21:25.20 | streuner | LinuxMafia: not possible |
| 21:25.28 | streuner | LinuxMafia: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 21:25.57 | ajavid | I'm using debian lenny-backports 2.6.29 kernel, and i'm trying to biuld a kernel module and The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable |
| 21:26.03 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
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| 21:26.21 | streuner | LinuxMafia: easiest thing is, just backup important data and reinstall stable |
| 21:26.37 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
| 21:26.42 | ajavid | not sure what to do exactly |
| 21:26.55 | Shadow_7 | any tips for getting iceape to play well with yahoo mail? I get tired of pressing try again. |
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| 21:27.19 | streuner | ajavid: not that unusual |
| 21:27.57 | ajavid | streuner, what would you do? |
| 21:28.42 | streuner | ajavid: why do you need make a module? |
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| 21:29.05 | ajavid | I need it for some hardware |
| 21:29.17 | ajavid | its packaged in debian, but it wasn't expecting a bpo kernel |
| 21:29.25 | ajavid | still have to compile it |
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| 21:30.29 | streuner | well, using a stable kernel isnt a bad idea, stable in that case a default kernel of lenny |
| 21:30.32 | ajavid | and I have a 1.75tb array of ext4 and I need .29 |
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| 21:30.49 | ajavid | not ext4dev readonly, i need r/w |
| 21:31.00 | streuner | hm |
| 21:31.07 | ajavid | yeh, its a pickle |
| 21:31.24 | streuner | ajavid: get the config of the bpo kernel and compile your own kernel then |
| 21:31.34 | ajavid | I knew you were gonna say that :) |
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| 21:31.57 | ajavid | is there anyway i can avoid that? |
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| 21:32.48 | iluminator101 | i need to get this running on debian squeeze 02:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter |
| 21:33.04 | streuner | !hcl |
| 21:33.05 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
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| 21:33.23 | iluminator101 | how do i load this module sdhci-pci |
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| 21:34.42 | streuner | usually udev loads the module for you |
| 21:35.25 | fogobogo | modprobe <module> |
| 21:35.26 | streuner | so if the kernel found the hardware and if its supported it loads the kernel (usually) auto |
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| 21:35.50 | sylarr | which fs is compressed? |
| 21:36.02 | streuner | iluminator101: cat /proc/version |
| 21:36.08 | fogobogo | sqashfs ? |
| 21:36.33 | fogobogo | on knoppix has some variant whose name i forgot |
| 21:37.01 | iluminator101 | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 |
| 21:37.51 | streuner | Did you google what kernel support your hardware? |
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| 21:38.33 | streuner | or, in other words, does 2.6.26 support your hardware at all? |
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| 21:39.08 | iluminator101 | hmm... i got this from google http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/RICOH/R5C822+SD%EF%BC%8FSDIO%EF%BC%8FMMC%EF%BC%8FMS%EF%BC%8FMSPro+Host+Adapter+-+R5C592+Memory+Stick+Bus+Host+Adapter |
| 21:40.49 | streuner | fine :-) |
| 21:41.01 | iluminator101 | but how would i load that |
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| 21:41.25 | streuner | as somebody already told you "modprobe <module>" |
| 21:41.35 | iluminator101 | i did that modprobe sdhci |
| 21:41.41 | streuner | and what happens? |
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| 21:41.57 | iluminator101 | it went through no errors |
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| 21:42.15 | iluminator101 | i gotta run but i will be back later |
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| 21:51.07 | needle | hi how do i add a permanent default route to debian... i know how to do it but as soon as i reboot my default route is gone |
| 21:51.48 | patrikf | needle: normally you'd configure such things in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:54.20 | needle | patrikf: i have it in interfaces route |
| 21:54.20 | needle | Kernel IP routing table |
| 21:54.21 | needle | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 21:54.21 | needle | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
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| 21:55.16 | needle | hehe been kicked...http://pastebin.com/m1b36c22a |
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| 21:55.56 | needle | well i have to search for another way to accomplish this i guess |
| 21:55.59 | patrikf | needle: and after an "ifup usb0" you still don't have the route? |
| 21:56.19 | patrikf | and it says netmask ... 255ö0 |
| 21:57.25 | needle | default 192.168.1.101 0.0.0.0 UG 8 0 0 usb0 |
| 21:57.34 | valdyn | ajavid: how to build the kbuild packages is in the debian wiki |
| 21:57.41 | patrikf | needle: well that looks right |
| 21:57.43 | needle | that's how it looks after i add it manually |
| 21:58.09 | needle | it just doesn't work if it is in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:58.23 | needle | i have always to add it by hand :( |
| 21:58.39 | Tramp | needle: man interfaces, search for "gateway" |
| 21:59.22 | patrikf | needle: that's what I think your interfaces should look like: http://pastebin.com/d7fa162a0 |
| 21:59.41 | patrikf | er, http://pastebin.com/d690dd063 |
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| 22:00.03 | patrikf | still, I Am Not A Network Expert :-) |
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| 22:00.22 | needle | ai, gateway.. that it |
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| 22:06.28 | dacs | if i did install an application from source how can i uninstall it |
| 22:07.37 | needle | patrikf: your changed config runs fine. it was the gateway thing i missed in my interfaces |
| 22:08.05 | needle | btw, it is a openmoko the reason why i connect it via usb |
| 22:08.09 | needle | thanks |
| 22:08.20 | patrikf | needle: your previous config *should* have worked too, but if you didn't mess it up only on the pastebin, your netmask contained some weird characters |
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| 22:08.33 | patrikf | but good that it works now :) |
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| 22:09.50 | bookmark | hi |
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| 22:11.08 | Brack10 | hi |
| 22:11.18 | Brack10 | can you use tcpdump to dump raw packets to stdout or do you have to use -w? |
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| 22:12.21 | binrapt | ProFTPD question: How do you chroot users in the ftpasswd file without chrooting everybody? |
| 22:12.35 | dacs | how can i install 2 or 3 pkg at the same time |
| 22:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -i pkg1.deb pkg2.deb ... ? |
| 22:14.13 | dpkg | removes a lung from cutmeownthroat and replaces it with pkg1.deb pkg2.deb ... |
| 22:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 22:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup, right? |
| 22:14.26 | dpkg | i don't know, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:15.13 | dacs | apt-get install pkg1 pkg2? |
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| 22:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti dacs |
| 22:15.41 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, dacs? |
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| 22:18.23 | Brack10 | can you use tcpdump to dump raw packets to stdout or do you have to use -w? |
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| 22:19.49 | binrapt | Is it even possible to selectively chroot users from extended ftpasswd files in ProFTPD? I don't think it is |
| 22:20.24 | javi | Hi. Is it possible to install a passkey-agent without having Gnome or KDE? |
| 22:20.30 | javi | ...o argo |
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| 22:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | javi, apt-file search passkey-agent; apt-rdepends bluez-utils |
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| 22:26.10 | Tramp | Brack10: "-w -" would dump them in raw format to stdout, i guess |
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| 22:26.38 | javi | Thanks |
| 22:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | javi, also /msg dpkg apt-file for its use. |
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| 22:27.26 | javi | Ok, thanks. It's long time matter |
| 22:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, isn't that a weird way to ask a question though? |
| 22:27.40 | binrapt | Hmm how do you see which local files are associated with a package installed by apt-get? |
| 22:28.02 | enouf | binrapt: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 22:28.07 | binrapt | Ta |
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| 22:28.13 | zleap | i was just thinking dpkg |
| 22:28.28 | enouf | binrapt: alternately, i use dlocate for specific searches |
| 22:28.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: I think he may have missed the "-" part in cunjunction with "-w" |
| 22:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | javi, what you learn is roughly... you need dbus |
| 22:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands Tramp the wandering psychic award for now. |
| 22:29.32 | enouf | binrapt: /msg dpkg dlocate ; (and for non-local <filename> searches) /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:29.59 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: oh .. i see now you mentioned that |
| 22:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, mind, you have to give it back if it turns out you're wrong :) |
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| 22:30.28 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: It will not be necessary - I can see it. |
| 22:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | :)) |
| 22:31.21 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: He's just too shy to say "Ah, thanks tramp, I missed that you can use -w and - together" |
| 22:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps... or he'll just repeat the question in 5 mins |
| 22:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that's the vexing bit... for most questions here, if people knew enough to ask the right question, they needn't ask at all |
| 22:34.15 | GhostlyDeath | Hello, I setup a bridge with bridge utils, broadcasts, go to the otherside of the bridge, however packets directed at an IP do not, any suggestions? |
| 22:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fix it! |
| 22:35.04 | GhostlyDeath | How? |
| 22:35.19 | javi | I'm approaching: Use 'setkeycodes e00e <keycode>' to make it known. |
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| 22:35.40 | javi | But I don't know wich kind op value is <keycode>: 1234 fails |
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| 22:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | meticulously? |
| 22:37.07 | javi | mmmm no, I'm wrong |
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| 22:38.40 | GhostlyDeath | This is my /etc/sysctl.conf http://pastebin.com/m20cb07fa |
| 22:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, brigdge-utils " for configuring the Linux Ethernet bridge in Linux 2.4 or later." sounds a bit outdated |
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| 22:40.58 | javi | http://pastebin.com/m17e69413 |
| 22:41.14 | javi | It fails pairing, in a pc -> cell attempt |
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| 22:43.22 | dacs_ | everytime i reboot my lenny and after it reboot , it ask me to give root password for maintenance? |
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| 22:44.09 | dacs_ | should i go to single user mode? |
| 22:44.43 | azeem | dacs_: if it asks you that, it either means the automatic file system check failed |
| 22:44.49 | azeem | or your boot loader config is wrong |
| 22:45.16 | dacs_ | azeem: so what you suggest doing |
| 22:45.48 | azeem | inspecting your monitor for obvious problem which might result in a prompt for the root password |
| 22:45.51 | dacs_ | azeem: should i go into single user mode , just to see what it will do |
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| 22:46.12 | azeem | if there are none, then I'd suggest inspecting your boot loader config for things like init=/bin/sh |
| 22:46.17 | javi | dacs_ often you should do a manual disks check |
| 22:46.43 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: proxy arp and bridging?? |
| 22:47.32 | dacs_ | javi: so should i ignore and do ctrl+d |
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| 22:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, run fsck on your disks after you were prompted for the password for maitenance |
| 22:48.23 | azeem | dacs: no, you should figure out why it prompts you for the root password |
| 22:48.47 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: azeem that what i am asking should i go into single user mode |
| 22:48.57 | azeem | what |
| 22:49.12 | azeem | what does that have to do with figuring things out |
| 22:49.14 | mallxs | Hi is there a tool to grep text from a binary file ... i need to find all XX after 00 04 00 09 XX XX XX XX |
| 22:49.16 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: ? |
| 22:50.09 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: can you walk me thru the fsk , last time i did it i f****d my old hdd |
| 22:50.09 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: not using proxy_arp |
| 22:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, luckily you got those recent backups directly next to you... |
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| 22:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, just run the fsck, there's not much else you can do |
| 22:51.05 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: honestly, no, i had to do a clean install |
| 22:51.18 | dacs | i needed that anyways |
| 22:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, I mean *now* you got all those neat recent backups :) |
| 22:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | learning from your mistakes etc. etc. |
| 22:52.00 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: net.ipv4.conf.all.proxy_arp=1 <-- what's that supposed to do if not proxy arp? I'm too lazy to check. |
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| 22:53.22 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: something wrong with my wireless KB, as soon as i start typing a lot of stupid stuff ...eg [361486.940846] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycod>' to make it known |
| 22:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mallxs, hexedit can do single searches like that... also... hexdump file | grep "00 *04 *00 *09" or somesuch |
| 22:54.08 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: and my guess is, if you proxy arp, the unicast packets are directed (on Layer2) to your bridging-system and thus will not be bridged. |
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| 22:54.45 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: that would explain, why IP broadcasts (which are also MAC broadcasts) are bridged but unicasts are not |
| 22:55.22 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: i got a warning , /dev/hda1 is mounted running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage!!!! |
| 22:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, I told you to run fsck after rebooting // being prompted for rootpwd for maintenance |
| 22:56.04 | mallxs | Thx CutMeOwnThroat: i was looking at grep -U but i will look at hexedit and hexdump ... i was using od for the hexdump |
| 22:56.08 | dacs | thats what i did |
| 22:56.28 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: should i do shutdown -F now |
| 22:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mallxs, there's an -e option for hexdump also that might at least get rid of spaces |
| 22:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, I guess /dev/hda1 is your /? |
| 22:57.26 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: and select single user mode from kernel menu |
| 22:57.54 | dacs | yes |
| 22:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok - / should be mounted read-only at this point |
| 22:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | easiest way to check is probably simply something like echo >/test |
| 22:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should get an error "permission denied" "read only filesystem" |
| 22:59.26 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: i am at the GRUB menu now |
| 22:59.37 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: i have like 8 selection ...GOD loard |
| 22:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought you just tried to run fsck... |
| 22:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're just doing random stuff |
| 23:00.07 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: no no i said no to that |
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| 23:00.14 | jelly-home | !comfort CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:00.15 | dpkg | There, there, CutMeOwnThroat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:00.20 | dacs | dacs: ok i will listen to you |
| 23:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks dpkg and jelly-home :) |
| 23:00.41 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: what you want me to do? |
| 23:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | the point is... if /dev/hda1 is mounted read-only, you can (must!) ignore that warning |
| 23:01.02 | dacs | apologize |
| 23:01.03 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: I'll see if setting those options to 0 works |
| 23:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and at that point during boot, / should be mounted ro - but it's better to double-check |
| 23:01.29 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, so what you want me to do right now, i am at GRUB menu |
| 23:01.57 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: login normal or select single-user mode? |
| 23:02.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) boot b) boot stops, asks you for root-pw for maintenance -> enter that |
| 23:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | c) check if / is mounted ro (echo >/blabla should produce a "fs mounted read-only" error) |
| 23:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | check that / is indeed /dev/hda1 with 'mount' |
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| 23:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | if all that is true, run fsck on /dev/hda1 and ignore the warning |
| 23:03.56 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: You may want to check all entries in that file "net.ipv5.cong.default.rp_filter=1" sounds like complete rubbish |
| 23:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | d) cross your fingers or use the time fsck takes for a short prayer or something |
| 23:04.26 | Tramp | unless they invented ipv5 in the Congo while I didn't check |
| 23:04.54 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: wtf, it is doing fsck by it self now! |
| 23:05.08 | Tramp | rather in one of the two Congos, I should say to be politically correct |
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| 23:05.40 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: something realy weird going on here? |
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| 23:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | shrugs |
| 23:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, then use the time to read "man fsck" :) |
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| 23:06.47 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, it is finsh |
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| 23:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might have failed |
| 23:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | some things need you to run fsck yourself |
| 23:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | this should be one... else you weren't prompted |
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| 23:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually think that's pretty useless, as there's not much you can do anyway... |
| 23:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "gone is gone" |
| 23:08.15 | ajavid | after making make oldconfig, using defaults found in /boot/config-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 23:08.24 | ajavid | configuration written to .config |
| 23:08.28 | ajavid | where is this .config file? |
| 23:08.48 | jelly-home | currnt directory, ajavid |
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| 23:09.07 | ajavid | current dir is /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.29 but its not there |
| 23:09.10 | xenix | Hello i just installed debian |
| 23:09.19 | xenix | and i dont know what is the mysql password how i recover it ? |
| 23:09.20 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, i will boot again and i will select single-user mode and do fsck |
| 23:09.45 | jelly-home | ajavid: is that the root of linux kernel tree? |
| 23:09.51 | ajavid | yes |
| 23:09.57 | jelly-home | should be there |
| 23:09.58 | ajavid | oh perm, nm regen it |
| 23:10.20 | xenix | i just installed debian and i dont know what is the password of mysql server how i recover it please ? |
| 23:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, did you see what fsck reported? |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | !tell xenix about forgot mysql root password |
| 23:10.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ifmrp |
| 23:10.52 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 23:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 23:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, slower and typed less |
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| 23:12.53 | ingo86 | hi, i used iperf to test my LAN bandwidth, and on a 100 mbits LAN i get a bandwidth of 95 mbps |
| 23:13.23 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
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| 23:13.33 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: i can't |
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| 23:13.48 | dacs | when i am at the prompt |
| 23:13.51 | ingo86 | then i tranfered a 700mb file from A to B, but the max speed was 7,2 mbyte/sec |
| 23:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, well, perhaps it's ok now... |
| 23:14.30 | ingo86 | is there something wrong or math is an opinion? |
| 23:14.48 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: seems to have had no effect, setting rp_filter and proxy_arp to 0 |
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| 23:16.05 | ingo86 | the correct speed should be about 10 mbyte/s, not 7.2, what could slow this? |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | ingo86: MB or Mb ? |
| 23:16.33 | ingo86 | 7.2 mbyte/s |
| 23:16.48 | xenix | i can unistall and reinstall the mysql and configure it my self or i cant ? |
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| 23:17.47 | xenix | anyone can help ? |
| 23:17.52 | ingo86 | maybe a little bit of traffic on the network? |
| 23:18.38 | ingo86 | which speed could i reach with a 1gps network? (i should have to change router and network cards to run this) |
| 23:18.54 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: what exactly did you do? |
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| 23:19.19 | abrotman | ingo86: did you check your NIC settings? |
| 23:19.30 | cromag | xenix: look up |
| 23:19.35 | cromag | the answer is there. |
| 23:20.06 | ingo86 | abrotman: for example? ip settings? |
| 23:20.21 | Internat | ingo86: you have other things in there as well. other network traffic, hdd bottlenecks etc |
| 23:20.56 | abrotman | ingo86: ethtool/mii-tool |
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| 23:21.23 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: ah i think i found the problem, it is set to load in single-user mode in Grub menu |
| 23:21.25 | xenix | cromag: is not working this way :s |
| 23:21.28 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: changed the 1s to 0s, and restarted |
| 23:21.28 | ingo86 | Internat: that's what i meant before, probably it's simple the other traffic on the network to that slow it |
| 23:22.05 | cromag | then you will need to inform someone how it does not work that way, |
| 23:22.33 | xenix | UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('password') WHERE User='root'; |
| 23:22.34 | xenix | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| 23:22.42 | Tramp | 7.2MB/s (=58Mbit) netto doesn't sound too bad on a 100MBit network |
| 23:22.44 | xenix | starting the mysqld with that way is not working |
| 23:22.44 | xenix | :s |
| 23:23.01 | ingo86 | Internat: i have a fileserver on this network, but my cables are cat5e. Do you suggest a network cards change? |
| 23:23.13 | xenix | anyone can help me ? |
| 23:23.20 | ingo86 | Internat: to switch to gigabit lan obviously |
| 23:23.25 | dacs | how can i change the select option in my crub selection |
| 23:23.42 | ingo86 | Tramp: do you think so? i never knew the common 100mbps lan speed |
| 23:23.45 | dacs | s/crub?Grub |
| 23:24.00 | ajavid | savedefault or in menu.lst there is a default option |
| 23:24.06 | ingo86 | abrotman: i will search for it now, thank you |
| 23:24.13 | ajavid | its also commented, look at grub docs |
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| 23:25.16 | ajavid | any guides on optimizing a stock debian kernel and rebuilding it |
| 23:25.16 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: I setup OpenVZs, bridged their networks (with a script I made for /etc/rc.local), currently only broadcasts go in and out |
| 23:25.21 | ajavid | to take out stuff i don't need |
| 23:25.21 | dacs | abrotman: some how , my system is set to boot to single-user mode from GRUB, how can i fix that please |
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| 23:25.42 | noousr | hey. i'm not sure of the name of a device connected to my system. it's a hard drive and i'm trying to mount it |
| 23:25.48 | Internat | cat5e doenst really matter, gb will work generaly fine over it |
| 23:25.57 | ajavid | noousr, as root, fdisk -l |
| 23:26.12 | Internat | as for newer network carfds, i guess that dpends how old they are. |
| 23:26.12 | GhostlyDeath | The VEs get addresses from the DHCP server however the clients never recieve the packets telling them their IP |
| 23:26.23 | Internat | i would be thinking more the switch initially then the nic |
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| 23:27.15 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: sry, no idea. Maybe try ##network |
| 23:27.23 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: sry, no idea. Maybe try ##networking |
| 23:27.44 | ingo86 | Internat: thank you |
| 23:27.45 | ajavid | any guides on optimizing a stock debian kernel and rebuilding it to take otu stuff that not needed for my system? |
| 23:27.45 | abrotman | dacs: update-grub ? |
| 23:28.20 | ajavid | i got the linux-source-2.6.29 from bpo and using that to build a kernel |
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| 23:28.37 | ajavid | that should be ok right? or should i get vanilla .29 and use that, and put debian patches on it |
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| 23:29.15 | dacs | abrotman: just run update-grub? |
| 23:29.30 | BCM43 | how can i change the gdm to devorak? |
| 23:29.47 | abrotman | dacs: you didn't really say if it was permanent |
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| 23:30.25 | dacs | abrotman: everytime i boot my system , it will go to a single-user mode |
| 23:31.02 | iluminator101 | i am trying to get this SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter to work any suggestions |
| 23:31.06 | dacs | abrotman: and /boot/grub/menu.lst is set to 0 |
| 23:31.10 | abrotman | dacs: look at your menu.lst .. is that the option you have it defaulted to? or is there an error ? |
| 23:32.18 | jelly-home | iluminator101: with mmc cards, it ought to just work |
| 23:32.35 | iluminator101 | how so...auto mount |
| 23:32.38 | jelly-home | iluminator101: sd and memory stick work with a recent kernel |
| 23:32.51 | jelly-home | oh, automount is a different thing |
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| 23:33.24 | jelly-home | iluminator101: does automount for on your machine with usb sticks? |
| 23:33.53 | iluminator101 | yea usb works fine |
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| 23:34.19 | jelly-home | iluminator101: which debian release? |
| 23:34.29 | jelly-home | iluminator101: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 23:36.42 | iluminator101 | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:37.06 | jelly-home | iluminator101: check the last few lines in dmesg when a card is inserted |
| 23:37.41 | jelly-home | you're supposed to see something like |
| 23:37.45 | jelly-home | [23984.575594] mmc0: new SD card at address b368 |
| 23:37.45 | jelly-home | [23984.679552] mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 NCard 1.86 GiB |
| 23:37.45 | jelly-home | [23984.679664] mmcblk0: p1 |
| 23:38.40 | jelly-home | possibly without the timestampe |
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| 23:40.49 | nvz | any good literature on sharing my WLAN through my LAN? Like windows ICS.. I need a connection to install debian on another computer and while its easy to do in windows I should probably just learn to do it in debian. |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 23:41.12 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 23:41.15 | jelly-home | iluminator101: at this point, even if whatever automounting setup fails to work, you should be able to access and mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 manually if no other way |
| 23:42.45 | nvz | funny part of this is, this is like my 3rd server I've built and sold and still don't know how to do some things with networking in linux |
| 23:42.47 | iluminator101 | negative i do not see it in /dev/mmcblk0P1 |
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| 23:42.59 | nvz | not to mention I'm linux certified.. heh.. passed that test guessing |
| 23:43.02 | dacs | abrotman: please take a look http://pastebin.ca/1459424 |
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| 23:43.46 | iluminator101 | dmesg result http://pastebin.com/d575ce27a |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | dacs: your default is '3' .. not '0' |
| 23:44.35 | dacs | abrotman: but look at the list, there is 12 selection |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | so? |
| 23:45.18 | abrotman | it starts at 0, your default is 3 .. 3 is a single user kernel |
| 23:45.20 | jelly-home | iluminator101: that's just the at-boot detection of the controller; what type of card are you inserting? mmcs work best |
| 23:46.06 | dacs | abrotman: ok will change it to 0, and will read the man |
| 23:46.11 | dacs | abrotman: thank you so much |
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| 23:49.13 | shanepardue | I am running sid with KDE, but am unable to get my synaptics touchpad to enable tapping. Here is my xorg. http://paste2.org:80/p/264995 |
| 23:49.53 | jelly-home | iluminator101: on this thinkpad here (same lspci name for the controller), I had to try newer kernels to make sd and memorystick cards work decently |
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| 23:50.29 | abrotman | shanepardue: tried using gsynaptics ? |
| 23:50.51 | shanepardue | abrotman: Yes, and it shows that it is enabled there |
| 23:50.53 | jelly-home | iluminator101: if nothing new appears in dmesg when you insert a card, it probably means it's not recognized at all |
| 23:51.23 | shanepardue | In fact, I don't think those settings are even changing how my touchpad works at all |
| 23:51.29 | abrotman | shanepardue: i'd guess kde is interfering ? asked #debian-kde ? |
| 23:51.41 | shanepardue | No, I can try that |
| 23:52.22 | jelly-home | it's not kde, it's new xorg |
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| 23:52.31 | jelly-home | so, #debian-x |
| 23:52.41 | jelly-home | both channels are on irc.debian.org |
| 23:52.49 | shanepardue | Thanks! |
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| 23:53.30 | jelly-home | tapping and the scroll thingy on touchpad stopped working here too |
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| 23:53.50 | shanepardue | jelly-home: Bummer..did you ever get it working? |
| 23:53.51 | Eternal_Sin | hi every one |
| 23:54.11 | jelly-home | shanepardue: I'm not using it anyway, so didn't bother |
| 23:54.53 | shanepardue | I probably wouldn't use it too often, but I wanted to have it if ever I needed it |
| 23:57.56 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: I figured it out |
| 23:58.15 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: So? |
| 23:58.29 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: Don't use proxy_arp or rp_filter |
| 23:58.50 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: that's what I said - you said you disabled them. |
| 23:58.52 | GhostlyDeath | Also, I forgot I moved the ifconfig <if> |
| 23:58.56 | GhostlyDeath | 0 |
| 23:59.30 | GhostlyDeath | but once I put it back where it was supposed to be, so proxy_arp and rp_filter were the actual problems |
| 23:59.33 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |