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| 00:00.17 | abrotman | leogazio: basically .. you create a key pair, and put part of it on the server, and you keep part of it with you. when you ssh in, you can specify the key file to use when connecting .. so you can put it on a USB drive, or something like that and take it with you to japan (now, if you lose that USB drive or format it, and the key is gone, you'll be locked out until you get console access) |
| 00:00.32 | abrotman | woohoo .. bringing up my words-per-line average! |
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| 00:03.43 | rmacd | ...I've got the following 2 lines in the config, at the top of the file (before http_access allow localhost) - is it the case that localhost will *always* be allowed? |
| 00:03.44 | rmacd | acl filter url_regex "/etc/squid/banned" |
| 00:03.45 | rmacd | http_access deny filter |
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| 00:05.37 | spx2 | I want my machine to understand when I tell it ssh example , to resolve example -> www.example.com |
| 00:05.44 | spx2 | /etc/hosts is not enough |
| 00:05.51 | spx2 | because the ip of www.example.com is not static |
| 00:06.26 | abrotman | dyndns |
| 00:06.48 | spx2 | abrotman: exactly , www.example.com uses dyndns already |
| 00:07.16 | olpc-helper | hello |
| 00:07.17 | spx2 | that's a placeholder address anyway |
| 00:07.26 | olpc-helper | hello |
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| 00:08.02 | nsadmin | spx2: you could try running your own dns and CNAME example to example.com |
| 00:08.15 | spx2 | nsadmin: no way |
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| 00:09.16 | nsadmin | perhaps then you'd have to be satisfied with the way things work now... |
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| 00:10.27 | nsadmin | alternatively... you could alter the resolver |
| 00:11.40 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys .... i cant open flv files with mplayer :( |
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| 00:12.04 | jmoncayo | hello, does anyone know if teamspeak works for amd64 now? |
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| 00:12.21 | abrotman | jmoncayo: probably see their website ? |
| 00:13.48 | Hajuu | heh spx2: <?php echo gethostbyname($argv[0]); ?> |
| 00:13.56 | RedLance1 | Is there a GUI Linux version of RawWrite? |
| 00:14.12 | Hajuu | then if you want to save it |
| 00:14.27 | nsadmin | RedLance1: rawrite is just cat or dd |
| 00:14.42 | RedLance1 | nsadmin: But is there a GUI frontend for either of those? |
| 00:14.53 | Hajuu | sudo php -f <scriptfile> >> /etc/hosts |
| 00:14.54 | nsadmin | no, not that I know of |
| 00:14.54 | Hajuu | lol |
| 00:15.06 | RedLance1 | nsadmin: Ok, thanks |
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| 00:16.11 | nsadmin | RedLance1: why? what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:18.42 | RedLance1 | nsadmin: Well, I'm making floppies for a net install of Debian, and I was hoping there would be a better/easier way of controlling the mount points |
| 00:19.26 | nsadmin | RedLance1: one thing you could try is to write several scripts |
| 00:20.36 | RedLance1 | nsadmin: Well, can you confirm that the drive should be UNmounted before I us dd to write the image? |
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| 00:22.22 | nsadmin | if there's not a floppy in the drive, there shouldn't be a mount in effect, otherwise someone ejected a floppy while it was mounted |
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| 00:23.28 | RedLance1 | nsadmin: Right, so when I unmount the floppy after a write, and put in the next one, should I mount it before I dd the next image? |
| 00:23.36 | mesa_booger | mtools |
| 00:24.01 | nsadmin | if they are images, you would never mount |
| 00:24.11 | mesa_booger | anyways, who the dickens uses floppies any more ? |
| 00:24.29 | deco | i have an nvidia geforce 4 go 32mb what driver should i install ? |
| 00:24.39 | RedLance1 | mesa_booger: Someone with a broken cd drive |
| 00:24.40 | nsadmin | right, I challenge you to find 2 good floppies in a box of 10! |
| 00:24.49 | mesa_booger | nvidia-legacy perhaps |
| 00:24.51 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.11 | adb | oops , sorry |
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| 00:26.33 | sobersabre | hi how do I mount initrd image ? |
| 00:26.40 | sobersabre | on lenny |
| 00:27.05 | sobersabre | oh, found it. |
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| 00:31.36 | Name1ess | How do I set up a shell account on my Debian box? Is there a FAQ or howto out there somewhere? My searching has ranged from confusing to more confusing, and I would like to know of an accurate source to config this. |
| 00:31.55 | nsadmin | Name1ess: man adduser |
| 00:32.00 | Name1ess | kk |
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| 00:32.20 | nsadmin | what do you mean "set up"? |
| 00:32.29 | nsadmin | "create"? |
| 00:32.31 | Name1ess | i have debian box in my house |
| 00:32.34 | Name1ess | yeah |
| 00:32.48 | Name1ess | so I can login to the shell from other places |
| 00:32.48 | nsadmin | so, adduser |
| 00:33.04 | nsadmin | got a static ip? |
| 00:33.15 | Name1ess | it changes extremely rarely |
| 00:33.24 | nsadmin | or what do you mean by "other places" |
| 00:33.25 | Name1ess | ... but the box is on a home LAN, so .. |
| 00:33.46 | Name1ess | from remote computers, across the internet, using SSH |
| 00:34.18 | Name1ess | I bet I'll have to config the router to foreward a port for this, amirite? |
| 00:34.27 | nsadmin | you -really- want to do that? :) |
| 00:34.29 | nsadmin | and yes. |
| 00:34.52 | Name1ess | you -really- want to do that? < er -- why not? |
| 00:35.11 | nsadmin | well you'd be exposing your machine to "the elements" |
| 00:35.37 | Name1ess | sure, but only on that one port, I thought |
| 00:35.45 | nsadmin | true |
| 00:35.47 | Name1ess | and I DO know to use some way-offbeat port |
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| 00:36.33 | Name1ess | furthermore, this open port won't be advertised anywhere. |
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| 00:37.05 | nsadmin | no full-page ads in the new york times? :) |
| 00:37.11 | Name1ess | lolno :) |
| 00:37.13 | warchief | i wouldn't be as much worried about the ports but having a good password and a lockout if someone hammers the port |
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| 00:37.59 | Name1ess | I use 'secure' passwords -- more like pas phrases, tbh -- with UC/lc, #, special chars. |
| 00:38.31 | Name1ess | can ipchains do this lockout, or some other util? |
| 00:38.57 | warchief | i haven't done it with iptables, but id bet it can |
| 00:39.08 | mesa_booger | ipchains was an old 2.2/2.4 thing. it's iptables now |
| 00:39.21 | Name1ess | uh -- yeah, i meant that |
| 00:39.41 | Name1ess | last time I played with Linux, I had to use ISAPNPTOOLS |
| 00:39.43 | Name1ess | heh |
| 00:39.53 | nsadmin | you could try fail2ban |
| 00:40.15 | Name1ess | avail. through apt-get? |
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| 00:40.35 | nsadmin | judd versions fail2ban |
| 00:40.36 | judd | nsadmin: fail2ban -- etch: 0.7.5-2etch1 etch-security: 0.7.5-2etch1 etch-backports: 0.8.3-1~bpo40+1 sid: 0.8.3-2 lenny: 0.8.3-2sid1 sid: 0.8.3-2sid1 squeeze: 0.8.3-2sid1 experimental: 0.8.3-5 |
| 00:41.46 | RedLance1 | Stupid floppies...how difficult would a net boot/install be? I already have an Ubuntu box up and running... |
| 00:42.02 | mouseclone | sdf |
| 00:42.20 | warchief | no cd drive? |
| 00:42.31 | RedLance1 | broken cd drive, and won't boot from usb |
| 00:42.35 | warchief | that sucks... |
| 00:42.41 | RedLance1 | Yup, it does |
| 00:42.43 | nsadmin | RedLance1: you could put the drive you want to install to in the ubuntu box and run debootstrap |
| 00:42.49 | RedLance1 | But all I want it for is an Xterm... |
| 00:43.51 | adb | RedLance1: maybe only screen |
| 00:43.54 | streuner_ | RedLance1: why do you want install Debian? |
| 00:44.17 | RedLance1 | streuner_: I'm familiar with it |
| 00:44.26 | RedLance1 | adb: Screen? |
| 00:44.38 | streuner_ | thats a very good reason |
| 00:45.00 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:45.36 | streuner_ | RedLance1: is that the only reason? |
| 00:45.55 | RedLance1 | streuner_: Pretty much...if there is something better suited, I'm all ears |
| 00:46.11 | streuner_ | hm, so a changeling |
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| 00:47.04 | RedLance1 | streuner_: I've been messing with DamnSmallLinux a bit... |
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| 00:52.04 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:54.09 | RedLance1 | I was even going to install it on a 4gb compact flash card, but that setup dosen't fit well in the laptop |
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| 00:58.28 | jello | RedLance1: PXE boot? |
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| 00:59.20 | RedLance1 | jello: Yes, it does support that, but I have never gotten a boot server set up |
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| 00:59.31 | jello | very easy to do |
| 00:59.48 | jello | the d-i manual has a nice writeup on it |
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| 01:00.28 | jello | iirc |
| 01:01.02 | RedLance1 | jello: Hmmm, well, I have been wanting to do that, I'll check it out. |
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| 01:02.18 | julia22 | Hi. How do I install Firefox 3.5 (or iceweasel, abrowser, swiftfox, etc.) in Debian Lenny? Thanks |
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| 01:02.29 | paule118 | money back!â |
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| 01:02.45 | abrotman | julia22: FF3.5 isn't out yet? |
| 01:02.46 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: sudo apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 01:03.11 | paule118 | money back! |
| 01:03.12 | abrotman | 1) might not have sudo configured 2) use aptitude 3) asked for 3.5 |
| 01:03.16 | abrotman | paule118: do you need help ? |
| 01:03.25 | julia22 | abrotman: thanks, i know, but there is a beta available. Is it in any debian repos? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of |
| 01:03.36 | paule118 | debian |
| 01:03.43 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: i've not yet been able to get the FF3.5b to work |
| 01:04.02 | polycarbonate1 | and no, it's not even in the Squeeze repos afaik |
| 01:04.18 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: I was using Swiftfox 3.5b in Ubuntu until I installed Debian yesterday |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | julia22: so if you want it, you'll have to get the isntaller from getfirefox i suppose |
| 01:04.50 | abrotman | julia22: or just use the version you already have |
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| 01:05.31 | julia22 | abrotman: I'm trying to do the installs as much the right way as possible :) |
| 01:05.41 | paule118 | debian * java ?# |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | julia22: then use the one already in lenny |
| 01:06.04 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: cool |
| 01:06.06 | abrotman | paule118: if you have a question, ask it |
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| 01:06.42 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: yes, you'll have to compile the one from getfirefox |
| 01:06.46 | paule118 | problem |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | paule118: if you prefer help in german, use #debian-de |
| 01:07.17 | paule118 | thanks |
| 01:07.31 | julia22 | abrotman: polycarbonate1: 3.5 is waaaaay faster than 3.0 |
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| 01:07.49 | abrotman | julia22: that may be the case, but currently only 3.0.x is available in lenny |
| 01:08.07 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: yup |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | there may be a backport for 3.5.x at some point, but not yet |
| 01:08.30 | polycarbonate1 | abrotman: correct, no backport yet |
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| 01:08.38 | abrotman | yeah .. thanks i got that ... |
| 01:08.57 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: you'll need to get the src from getfirefox and compile :) |
| 01:09.04 | abrotman | no julia22 does not |
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| 01:09.45 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: I think I'll get the one from swiftfox |
| 01:09.46 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: i take it you want FF3.5b on Lenny regardless of it not yet being available? |
| 01:10.18 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: ...that hasn't stopped us yet! :D |
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| 01:12.11 | deco | i can not view png images in eye of gnome . what do i need to download to view png ? |
| 01:12.46 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: I'll get this http://getswiftfox.com/deb.htm |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | deco: are you sure ? |
| 01:13.05 | abrotman | julia22: that won't work on your system |
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| 01:13.41 | julia22 | abrotman: why? |
| 01:13.46 | deco | abrotman, yeah i tried opening some it just says they are not really png and theres an error. but i can view them in iceweasel , let me some more to double check |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | julia22: you're not running unstable |
| 01:13.48 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: i'm not sure that's gonna work |
| 01:14.04 | julia22 | abrotman: i see |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | julia22: i'm double checking |
| 01:14.44 | deco | abrotman, i can see them, weird i guess it was just the ones i got from an email attachment |
| 01:14.47 | abrotman | julia22: oh .. it might .. appears to be old |
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| 01:15.18 | MadMoney | which is broken in Debian |
| 01:15.22 | julia22 | abrotman: I'll give it a try :) |
| 01:15.27 | MadMoney | which won't give my the path of php |
| 01:15.34 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: just try it |
| 01:15.38 | MadMoney | Actually, worse. |
| 01:15.38 | abrotman | julia22: AFAICT .. the deps are all satisfied |
| 01:15.43 | MadMoney | There is no /usr/bin/php |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | MadMoney: did you install php5-cli ? |
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| 01:16.10 | MadMoney | Oh, will that allow me to run PHP scripts in the shell? |
| 01:16.21 | abrotman | if you want to,yes |
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| 01:16.29 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: in theory, you should be right to go, but we're not sure |
| 01:17.09 | MadMoney | Using UNIX/*nix FIFO pipes in PHP, I will make PHP stateful. :D |
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| 01:18.17 | warchief | whatever floats your boat MadMoney |
| 01:18.46 | MadMoney | :) |
| 01:19.07 | MadMoney | is trying to use PHP like it is C ;) |
| 01:20.47 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: thanks. I was thinking of using apt-build, and swiftfox doesn't provide the source. Would it be too crazy to add this repo instead? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa |
| 01:21.09 | polycarbonate1 | hmm |
| 01:21.40 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: just be careful you don't wake up one day to find you've accidently Ubuntu :) |
| 01:21.54 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: LOL |
| 01:22.06 | MadMoney | php5-cli will output HTML and everything normally so I can take the stdout and put it through to Apache, right? |
| 01:22.09 | simonrvn | i keep trying to find out what swiftfox is, and when i look in $favourite_search_engine i don't find much that's informative. wtf is it? |
| 01:22.13 | polycarbonate1 | is still trying to recover his system from a similar accident |
| 01:22.31 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: I would use that repo with jaunty, that is based on lenny, right? |
| 01:22.39 | MadMoney | simonrvn: It is political. |
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| 01:22.49 | MadMoney | Swiftboat is a form of political attack. |
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| 01:22.57 | julia22 | simonrvn: It's firefox compiled for several processors |
| 01:22.57 | MadMoney | Oh, swiftfox. Never mind. |
| 01:23.01 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: we're up to Sid now |
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| 01:23.13 | redstick | could someone show me a basic config for accessing a windows printer with anonymous account? |
| 01:23.17 | excelblue | can I roll back to debian-lenny to -sketch? |
| 01:23.25 | simonrvn | ah, thanks |
| 01:23.26 | redstick | ~$ lpstat -p |
| 01:23.26 | redstick | printer PhotoSmart disabled since Sat 13 Jun 2009 06:35:07 PM CDT - |
| 01:23.26 | redstick | Unable to connect to CIFS host after (tried 3 times) |
| 01:23.34 | MadMoney | (Microsoft marketing) $favourite_search_engine=="Ming" |
| 01:23.38 | MadMoney | I mean Bing |
| 01:23.43 | MadMoney | Or is it Ding? |
| 01:23.46 | MadMoney | :S |
| 01:24.13 | julia22 | simonrvn: and it's more up to date, or sort of, b/c it uses beta releases too |
| 01:24.15 | simonrvn | no, google... |
| 01:24.32 | simonrvn | julia22: i'm using 3.5rc1 atm |
| 01:24.42 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: if you're running Lenny, your dependencies may not be quite up to scratch |
| 01:25.14 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: you mean for the launchpad ppa, right? |
| 01:25.17 | MadMoney | I think Microsoft named their search engine with a onomatopoeic name, a good marketing technique. |
| 01:25.24 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: correct |
| 01:25.40 | simonrvn | MadMoney: wtf cares |
| 01:25.57 | MadMoney | Sorry. |
| 01:26.18 | julia22 | simonrvn: did you compile it from source? |
| 01:26.39 | simonrvn | no, just fetched tarball and installed in /usr/local |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | polycarbonate1: you should *never* install packages from ubuntu on debian unless you know exactly what you're doing .. please don't tell people to do that |
| 01:27.54 | julia22 | simonrvn: I see |
| 01:28.30 | polycarbonate1 | abrotman: hence my comment about waking up one morning to find you've accidently Ubuntu |
| 01:28.39 | julia22 | abrotman: s/he is not. It's just me. i'm adventurous :) |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | polycarbonate1: so why would you even say it's remotely okay ? |
| 01:28.48 | simonrvn | i don't see much in building it when it's already been done ;) |
| 01:28.54 | simonrvn | much point* |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | julia22: you'll end up with a broken or half/half computer that no one will support |
| 01:29.26 | polycarbonate1 | abrotman: as you said, if she knows what she's doing proceed with caution |
| 01:30.03 | polycarbonate1 | julia22, abrotman: i'd seriously recommend against it |
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| 01:31.10 | MadMoney | Hajuu installs Debian packages on Ubuntu. ;) |
| 01:31.12 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: i was thinking about using apt pinning and building it myself w/ apt-build. but ok, i will just install swiftfox |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | polycarbonate1: then they wouldn't be asking |
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| 01:31.50 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: yes, probably just use Swiftfox |
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| 01:32.04 | polycarbonate1 | actually has FF3.5b on his machine |
| 01:32.13 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: ok. thanks :) |
| 01:32.31 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: i'm not actually running a pure Debian though |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | this is going to end badly ... |
| 01:32.40 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: i run Chel |
| 01:32.46 | julia22 | abrotman: LOL |
| 01:32.52 | polycarbonate1 | which none of you will have ever heard of |
| 01:32.55 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: what do you have? |
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| 01:33.23 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: it's Cesium Linux |
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| 01:33.51 | mouseclone | in crontab will * * * * * rsync cause rsync to runn all of the time? |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | mouseclone: yeah .. but you probably don't want that |
| 01:34.37 | mouseclone | abrotman: I'm just trying to find a way to sync to servers in real time. |
| 01:34.52 | mouseclone | abrotman: better idea? |
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| 01:35.40 | MadMoney | Use delay |
| 01:35.48 | MadMoney | Or change fstab settings |
| 01:36.06 | MadMoney | Err, disregard that. |
| 01:36.09 | Joey_ | How do I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/39126/ |
| 01:36.54 | adb | on etch ? |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | Joey_: fix what ? |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | seems like it worked |
| 01:37.44 | Joey_ | It gives me that error every time I do stuff with packages |
| 01:38.04 | adb | was " warning: " |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | you mean the locale stuff? |
| 01:38.09 | Joey_ | yes |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | it's not fatal |
| 01:38.18 | Joey_ | i just want it to go away :P |
| 01:38.27 | Supaplex | reconfigure locales |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | fix your locales |
| 01:38.54 | Joey_ | when i tyep dpkg-reconfigure locales the ssh window goes black |
| 01:39.41 | MadMoney | I installed php5-cli, but there is still no php in my path. |
| 01:39.41 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: i can't even find cesium linux in google |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | MadMoney: ls -l /usr/bin/php5 |
| 01:40.18 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: :) |
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| 01:41.06 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: it's a quite obscure distro |
| 01:41.20 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: i see |
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| 01:41.30 | abrotman | and he left .. cute |
| 01:41.30 | MadMoney | No such file or directory :( |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | MadMoney: using lenny ? |
| 01:41.49 | polycarbonate1 | abrotman: presumably he fixed it himself? |
| 01:41.49 | abrotman | dpkg: find bin/php5 lenny |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | polycarbonate1: knowing him, doubt it |
| 01:42.08 | polycarbonate1 | abrotman: ah, a regular? |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | assuming it's the same joey that comes around all the time |
| 01:42.20 | junix | i am trying to do an etchnhalf install, its taking a loooonnnngg time to download the install files, what the heck? |
| 01:42.29 | MadMoney | Whatever debian_version 4.0 is |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | junix: why? install lenny |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman | MadMoney: etch |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | MadMoney: but you should still have php5-cli that installs that |
| 01:42.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/php5' (3): (/usr/bin/php5) in web/php5-cli ;; (/usr/bin/php5-cgi, /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5) in web/php5-cgi ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5, /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/{php5|php5-cgi}) in devel/php5-dbg. |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | MadMoney: dpkg -l php5-cli | tail -1 .. what is the first column ? |
| 01:44.02 | junix | abrotman: i need to install Plesk, it won'[t run on lenny yet |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | you don't need plesk |
| 01:44.25 | Supaplex | I have mediawiki 1.6.11 installed via a tarball on an etch host, and I'd like to move the wiki to a lenny host (same subnet, different server) where I have mediawiki 1.15.0-1 installed as a debian package. should I just use a 1.16 tarball and not use the deb? I'm not sure how to upgrade this cleanly. |
| 01:44.28 | MadMoney | Okay. the computer got rebooted while apt-get was running (stupid cord). |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 01:44.42 | MadMoney | Whatever state that left apt in, I have no idea. |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | that might have been a good thing to mention earlier |
| 01:45.18 | MadMoney | Well, I had to check the log |
| 01:45.38 | MadMoney | I'm going to try the cord in a different outlet this time. |
| 01:46.07 | junix | abrotman: how do i not need plesk? what should i use instead? |
| 01:46.19 | MadMoney | The plug doesn't get a good connection in this outlet. |
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| 01:48.21 | blubaustin | hello |
| 01:48.30 | MadMoney | CIao. |
| 01:48.57 | blubaustin | I am getting a segentation faulty tree on apt-get. |
| 01:51.17 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: you said Google doesn't turn up anything about Chel... care to try that one again? :) |
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| 01:52.16 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: you mean this? http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ |
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| 01:53.03 | junix | abrotman: how do i not need plesk? what should i use instead? |
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| 01:53.56 | julia22 | julia22: I don't see a cesium distro there |
| 01:54.21 | julia22 | polycarbonate1: I don't see a cesium distro there |
| 01:54.58 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: negative, but i get the first 2 hits on 'cesium linux chel' :D |
| 01:55.10 | paule118 | Alltag ist nur durch Wunder erträglich. (Max Frisch)") |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | paule118: english here |
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| 01:56.06 | abrotman | polycarbonate1: julia22 : this isn't really related to debian .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 01:56.24 | polycarbonate1 | abrotman: yeah, sorry; thanks |
| 01:56.26 | blubaustin | Nobody knows on the segmentation faulty tree.. |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | blubaustin: put it in a pastebin, but usually a segfault means bad hardware |
| 01:57.00 | paule118 | ok |
| 01:57.08 | blubaustin | in CLI how do I put it on paste bin? |
| 01:57.13 | blubaustin | Its just in apt-get |
| 01:58.03 | blubaustin | sudo apt-get install (whatever). Reading package list...Done Segnmentation faulty tree...50% |
| 01:59.58 | abrotman | does aptitude work ? |
| 02:00.05 | blubaustin | let me try. |
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| 02:00.29 | blubaustin | gives me allot of info...and a seg fault |
| 02:01.07 | blubaustin | how do I copy all that from the Cli into a paste bin? or is there a file that has a error log for it? |
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| 02:01.31 | blubaustin | Cause I can upload that error log file onto my website. for everyone to read. |
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| 02:04.19 | blubaustin | now I can't reproduce the error debug output for aptitude. It said something like part 11 of kernel seg fault |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | !segfault |
| 02:04.36 | dpkg | segfault is probably Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about <sig11>, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 02:04.40 | dpkg | well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 02:05.17 | blubaustin | Ah, so its my ram so, I should try taking one stick out? |
| 02:05.31 | abrotman | it might be .. you can try something like memtest |
| 02:05.58 | blubaustin | does memtest work on PPC? |
| 02:06.00 | kgoetz | if the BTS has no recollection of a bug,is there somewhere i can look for potentially removed tickets? |
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| 02:06.17 | abrotman | blubaustin: oh, no idea |
| 02:06.18 | julia22 | simonrvn: abrotman: polycarbonate1: I'm happily running Swiftfox 3.5 right now |
| 02:06.32 | blubaustin | well I have one 128mb stick and a 64mb stick. |
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| 02:06.36 | kgoetz | blubaustin, there was a ppc version, dont know if there is a current one |
| 02:06.53 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: awesomeness |
| 02:06.54 | blubaustin | If i get down to 64mb what type of gui and web browser should I use? |
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| 02:07.02 | polycarbonate1 | julia22: ^5 |
| 02:07.17 | kgoetz | e16+Netsurf |
| 02:07.22 | polycarbonate1 | blubaustin: eliknks? :P |
| 02:07.26 | polycarbonate1 | *Elinks |
| 02:07.40 | blubaustin | I don't think that will run tagged.. |
| 02:07.46 | polycarbonate1 | haha |
| 02:07.48 | blubaustin | I know lynx won't, it can't. |
| 02:07.57 | blubaustin | dillo? |
| 02:08.03 | polycarbonate1 | hmm |
| 02:08.06 | blubaustin | dilio or however u spell it |
| 02:08.11 | polycarbonate1 | yeah yeah |
| 02:08.21 | polycarbonate1 | um... think it should iirc |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | dillo isn't in lenny either |
| 02:08.49 | blubaustin | ok well will i need to reinstall after removing one stick for it to not seg fault or should it just work if i remove the right stick? |
| 02:08.50 | polycarbonate1 | ah, is that a problem? |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | blubaustin: your system will still boot |
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| 02:09.53 | blubaustin | I am meaning the seg faulting. |
| 02:10.06 | adb | ppc ? g3 ? |
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| 02:10.29 | polycarbonate1 | blubaustin: providing nothing is being written to disk, go for it |
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| 02:10.52 | blubaustin | k brb in 5 mins. |
| 02:10.57 | polycarbonate1 | awesome |
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| 02:12.55 | jdross | I'm trying to burn a debian netinstal iso with k3b in lenny, it detects the blank cdr media, will do a simulate, but when I try to burn it says permision denied on the device /dev/hdb, which I have permission to via the cdrom group and upon trying again it says the disk is not blank anymore but appendable.. it fails before the progress bars ever show up like it was denied permission but its clear that it was not if it writes to the disk |
| 02:13.21 | jdross | there seem to be no such bugs on the BTS, what else should I check before filing a report? |
| 02:13.38 | ray66 | Kde 4.2.4 for Lenny ...stable yes no?? |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 02:13.51 | abrotman | jdross: tried burning with wodim ? |
| 02:13.57 | jdross | nope |
| 02:14.04 | jdross | just wodim image.iso ? |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | !burniso |
| 02:14.51 | dpkg | burniso is, like, wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso, or ask me about <check iso image> |
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| 02:14.55 | jdross | actually I think k3b will give me the wodim commands it uses |
| 02:15.06 | simonrvn | julia22: cool |
| 02:16.28 | jdross | seems to be working fine as my user from terminal with wodim |
| 02:16.34 | jdross | apparently there is a bug in k3b |
| 02:16.40 | abrotman | jdross: using the same device?> |
| 02:16.48 | jdross | yes /dev/hdb |
| 02:17.14 | jdross | completed successfully |
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| 02:17.58 | blubaustin | I am on 64mB of ram now =(! *sheds tear* |
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| 02:18.46 | blubaustin | It was my 128mb stick that went bad. |
| 02:20.03 | blubaustin | So ayone have any spare PC133 ram lol? |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | bestbuy ? |
| 02:20.35 | jdross | is bug-buddy the only tool for reporting bugs (graphically) ? |
| 02:20.48 | abrotman | jdross: that's a gnome thing .. |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | you can use your email client |
| 02:21.05 | kgoetz | reportbug perhaps |
| 02:21.12 | jdross | abrotman: oh, well wasn't there a graphical bugreport frontend? |
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| 02:21.20 | jdross | erm reportbug |
| 02:22.52 | dmoerner | jdross, reportbug --ui gtk2 |
| 02:23.11 | kgoetz | dmoerner, beat me to it :p |
| 02:23.34 | dmoerner | just don't use reportbug-ng, you'll probably get flamed out by some package maintainers for using it. |
| 02:23.57 | jdross | haha |
| 02:24.01 | jdross | thanks for the advice |
| 02:24.08 | kgoetz | i cant see how reportbug isnt graphical enough tbh |
| 02:24.14 | blubaustin | true. |
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| 02:26.33 | jdross | seems the ui is a bogus option |
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| 02:26.49 | jdross | its not graphical enough cause this person won't use it without a gui |
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| 02:27.02 | jdross | I would just send a f'n email to the bts |
| 02:27.07 | GhostlyDeath | In bash, how would I extract everything up to the first '-', so "i586-linux" becomes "i586", "x86_64-linux" becomes "x86_64"? |
| 02:27.23 | kgoetz | GhostlyDeath, cut. |
| 02:27.25 | jdross | I'm trying to show them how to handle these situations and can't find a tool they will understand |
| 02:27.28 | avu | cut -d- -f1 |
| 02:27.45 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: var="i586-linux"; echo "${var#*-} |
| 02:27.53 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: oops |
| 02:27.57 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: var="i586-linux"; echo "${var%%-*} |
| 02:28.09 | kgoetz | jdross, fair enough. if they cant handle a bunch of prompts perhaps they shouldnt be reporting bugs. |
| 02:28.46 | jdross | I suppose |
| 02:29.02 | jdross | I guess thats why the default install no longer just has a f'n thing in the menu to report bugs like it used to |
| 02:29.14 | jdross | there seems to be nothing like it in debian at all anymore |
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| 02:34.27 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: would there be one that uses a command instead of bash syntax? |
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| 02:34.39 | nooper | hi, i dont know which vim package to get. 'vim' or 'vim-full', the latter being a "transitional package"? |
| 02:34.46 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, I'll try what avu said |
| 02:35.03 | zinx | nooper: transitional packages will disappear in the future, and just depend on other packages |
| 02:35.13 | nooper | ok, thanks zinx |
| 02:35.17 | zinx | nooper: so, not the transitional one |
| 02:35.33 | polycarbonate1 | nooper: yeah, there's nothing in the transitional |
| 02:35.34 | zinx | nooper: they are used when a package changes names / etc, so that the new one gets installed properly |
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| 02:36.20 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
| 02:36.54 | nooper | if the vim-tiny package is already installed, should i remove that before install the vim package? |
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| 02:37.10 | nooper | \ |
| 02:37.48 | polycarbonate1 | nooper: yes, or it may conflict anyway and get removed |
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| 02:53.12 | tra3 | any suggestions for a good QoS solution for debian? |
| 02:54.59 | polycarbonate1 | tra3: as in a heartbeat monitor? |
| 02:55.32 | tra3 | polycarbonate1: i want to do outbound traffic shaping |
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| 02:56.15 | polycarbonate1 | tra3: ah |
| 02:56.18 | polycarbonate1 | hmm |
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| 02:57.36 | tra3 | yeah that's a tough one eh. |
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| 02:58.20 | iluminator101 | question ntfs-3g or ntfsprogs, i dont know what i was using when i was using ubuntu but it worked pretty well, can someone care to inform me |
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| 02:58.50 | Name1ess | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.10 | Name1ess | once it was set up, worked real good |
| 02:59.28 | xshadowfire | you should only need ntfsprogs if you're formatting ntfs |
| 02:59.59 | iluminator101 | ah got you thanks guys |
| 03:00.04 | Name1ess | yw |
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| 03:01.24 | xshadowfire | is windows ever going to get a driver for ext3 with an inode greater than 128 :| |
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| 03:04.06 | Name1ess | nsadmin - you still active? |
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| 03:04.33 | nsadmin | phone call |
| 03:04.47 | Name1ess | k - ping me |
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| 03:05.23 | nsadmin | I'm about to leave... what do you need |
| 03:05.24 | SparFux | Hi! |
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| 03:05.41 | SparFux | I have a resolv 'ing question. |
| 03:05.48 | xshadowfire | so ask |
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| 03:06.26 | SparFux | What I do is I run SocialVPN. It is a VPN with 172.* IPs. It should be capable of resolving names and the VPN is up and running. But the resolv thing seems to be a mess. |
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| 03:06.37 | nsadmin | Name1ess ping... what do you need |
| 03:06.52 | Name1ess | Thanks for your time. earlier we were talking about setting up a differnt user account on my box for me to SSH into. Any reason I can't just SSH into the login I already have (call it user1)? I mean, the comp will be left on with user1 logged in, can I still SSH to it using my user1 login? |
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| 03:07.08 | nsadmin | no reason at all |
| 03:07.22 | Name1ess | so it should work without creating a new account tyhen |
| 03:07.26 | nsadmin | in fact you could generate ssh keys for both accts |
| 03:07.35 | Name1ess | I only need one |
| 03:07.44 | Name1ess | for me to remote connect |
| 03:07.45 | SparFux | In /etc/resolv.conf the nameserver is to be 127.0.0.1. There my dnsmasq nameserver is running. The SocialVPN added a 172.* address in /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf. How is that supposed to work? All the addresses are tried in a round-robin fashion, aren't they? |
| 03:08.49 | nsadmin | welp... there ya go :) anything else? |
| 03:09.00 | Name1ess | perhaps lol |
| 03:09.10 | Name1ess | I installed openssh-server |
| 03:09.25 | Name1ess | is there a GUI frontend to config that? |
| 03:09.37 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 03:09.53 | Name1ess | then the CLI command is ... ? |
| 03:10.05 | nsadmin | yourfavoriteeditor |
| 03:10.10 | Name1ess | lolk |
| 03:10.21 | Name1ess | facepalms at self |
| 03:10.42 | nsadmin | and remember to restart the server after you make changes to the server config |
| 03:10.55 | nsadmin | that applies to any server daemon, not just sshd |
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| 03:11.16 | RedLance1 | Anyway I can test out my TFTP server? |
| 03:11.17 | Name1ess | reading the info / manpages / stuff. Thanks again |
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| 03:12.27 | iluminator101 | Can someone suggest to a good cheap linux web hosting service which they personal used and found their service reliable? |
| 03:13.35 | liable | iluminator101: vpslink is ok, it gets expensive if you need decent amount of mem though |
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| 03:16.14 | dub | RedLance1, tftp localhost? |
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| 03:17.18 | Shazzamy | help please |
| 03:17.28 | Shazzamy | debian/linux is pissing me off |
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| 03:17.55 | Shazzamy | does it not have native 1680x1050 resolution? |
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| 03:18.54 | RedLance1 | dub: That seems to work ok, but my PXE client gets a timeout |
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| 03:20.28 | dub | RedLance1, you have bootp configured? |
| 03:20.35 | Shazzamy | hola? |
| 03:20.57 | iluminator101 | thanks liable.....they have a monthly paying cycle thats nice lot of places dont |
| 03:21.46 | RedLance1 | dub: Hmmm...the guide I'm followiing here: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_a_server_for_PXE_network_booting never mentions the bootp part... |
| 03:22.31 | liable | Shazzamy: Xorg.0.log should show you the resolutions it can do |
| 03:22.54 | Shazzamy | where's that at?? |
| 03:23.00 | Shazzamy | new to debain but ... |
| 03:23.09 | Shazzamy | ive had ubuntu for awhile |
| 03:23.15 | liable | Shazzamy: in /var/log |
| 03:23.26 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 03:23.46 | iluminator101 | shazzamy which debian version |
| 03:24.28 | Shazzamy | lenny |
| 03:24.31 | Shazzamy | amd64 |
| 03:25.08 | Shazzamy | what am i looking for in that fiel? |
| 03:25.11 | Shazzamy | file* |
| 03:25.29 | Shazzamy | v2.22.3 |
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| 03:25.36 | junix | abrotman: how do i not need plesk? what should i use instead? |
| 03:25.37 | iluminator101 | whats is the problem shazzamy i am not following you |
| 03:25.45 | RedLance1 | Ugh...I gotta go to bed...stupid job...Night all, thanks for the help. |
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| 03:26.33 | Shazzamy | the screen resolution is crappy |
| 03:26.43 | Shazzamy | max is 800x600 |
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| 03:28.16 | iluminator101 | upgrade to sqeeze or put squeeze repo on /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update it will auto upgrade your x server |
| 03:28.25 | Shazzamy | my screen is a 22" and i need the resolution to up to 1680x1050 |
| 03:28.44 | liable | iluminator101: thats bad advice |
| 03:29.48 | Shazzamy | so should i listent o him? |
| 03:29.52 | Shazzamy | to* |
| 03:29.57 | liable | Shazzamy: did you even look in that log file? It shows you what resolutions your card will do. Usually X will mostly pick the highest for your monitor, but you may need to may an xorg.conf to make it use the one you want |
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| 03:30.13 | liable | s/may/make/ |
| 03:30.42 | Shazzamy | what am i looking for in the log file? it looks like jibberish to me |
| 03:31.14 | liable | its pretty obvious when you get to the section |
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| 03:32.37 | Shazzamy | oh... |
| 03:34.02 | iluminator101 | shazzamy did you add debian multimedia to your repo list |
| 03:34.39 | liable | huh? whats that got to do with his x configuration? |
| 03:34.46 | Shazzamy | i still don't get what the hell im looking for |
| 03:34.51 | Shazzamy | no |
| 03:34.56 | Shazzamy | what's that? |
| 03:34.56 | liable | Shazzamy: modelines |
| 03:35.00 | Shazzamy | i JUST installed it |
| 03:35.09 | Shazzamy | like 10 minutes ago it finished |
| 03:35.13 | Shazzamy | 20 minutes* |
| 03:35.57 | iluminator101 | debian does not ship propriety codecs you might wanna check that out http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 03:37.18 | Shazzamy | ok, so what am i looking for?? |
| 03:37.49 | Shazzamy | autopano-sift? avidemux? anblend? echelon? |
| 03:38.04 | Shazzamy | lib-whatever stuff? |
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| 03:39.50 | Shazzamy | im sorry, but i have no clue what im looking for when you guys talk about certain files, websites... |
| 03:39.52 | Shazzamy | etc |
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| 03:41.16 | iluminator101 | permission to pm liable |
| 03:41.17 | Shazzamy | liable: so with modeline, what should i be readin about it? |
| 03:41.38 | Shazzamy | may i have permissions\s\ to pm liable?? |
| 03:41.43 | Shazzamy | what was that? |
| 03:41.49 | Shazzamy | liable: |
| 03:41.53 | liable | Shazzamy: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29720&sid=6272f9ec02c9de4552b50aa9585ad384 |
| 03:41.56 | Shazzamy | liable: so with modeline, what should i be readin about it? |
| 03:41.58 | Shazzamy | oh |
| 03:42.03 | liable | iluminator101: about? |
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| 03:42.18 | iluminator101 | webhosting |
| 03:42.24 | liable | sure |
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| 03:45.55 | Shazzamy | WTH- why when i hit ctrl+alt+backspace does it close my session? |
| 03:46.13 | \amethyst | Shazzamy: that's what ctrl-alt-backspace does |
| 03:46.26 | \amethyst | Shazzamy: though I think it's disabled by default in recent versions of xorg |
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| 03:47.25 | valan | no |
| 03:47.30 | Shazzamy | nope |
| 03:47.33 | Shazzamy | apparently not |
| 03:47.37 | valan | it's an option in xorg.conf to disable it |
| 03:47.39 | Shazzamy | thats why i left... |
| 03:47.40 | liable | it is in newer versions |
| 03:47.53 | Shazzamy | unexpectedly |
| 03:47.56 | valan | what version did it start that? |
| 03:48.11 | liable | dunno |
| 03:48.20 | \amethyst | Shazzamy: you can use Option "DontZap" "Off" insinde Section "ServerFlags" ... EndSection |
| 03:48.25 | \amethyst | Shazzamy: that will disable it |
| 03:48.40 | valan | it wasn't disabled in 7.4 |
| 03:48.47 | valan | and that's the latest release |
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| 03:49.01 | Shazzamy | i don't need it disabled, but it was just a bit of a surprise |
| 03:49.13 | \amethyst | ohaha |
| 03:50.18 | valan | actually it mighta been 7.3 i was on, but i'm pretty sure it was 7.4 |
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| 03:53.16 | \amethyst | aha |
| 03:53.19 | \amethyst | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532420 |
| 03:53.31 | \amethyst | the change was in xkb-data |
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| 03:53.52 | iluminator101 | hackradio link seems dead or is it just me |
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| 03:54.46 | liable | my god, why did that dude have reportbug set to "extremely verbose, in fact, write a five page essay about my hardware and include every log" |
| 03:55.20 | Shazzamy | where is grandr after i instralled it? |
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| 03:55.45 | Shazzamy | liable: who was that |
| 03:55.46 | Shazzamy | ? |
| 03:56.08 | liable | that bug report above |
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| 04:32.31 | Name1ess | so, I am able to SSH to my shell, how do I telnet through that tunnel? |
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| 04:34.28 | Brune | Name1ess: what, your talking about 2 different protocals |
| 04:34.39 | Name1ess | i am discovering that |
| 04:34.53 | Name1ess | so, no way then |
| 04:35.25 | simonrvn | "protocols". why would you telnet through ssh? that seems silly to me. |
| 04:35.50 | Name1ess | well, SSH to encrypt the connection, telnet to connect to eggdrop |
| 04:36.42 | simonrvn | ssh to the box in question, then launch a telnet client there to your bot. |
| 04:36.50 | Name1ess | trying to learn by doing is hard - even with man info google etc |
| 04:37.11 | Name1ess | simonrvn - lemme try that - sounds interesting |
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| 04:37.54 | simonrvn | encapsulating your telnet session in ssh i think is overkill; be better to do it in 2 steps ^^^. |
| 04:38.35 | Name1ess | 2 steps -- specifacally ...? |
| 04:38.50 | simonrvn | it's just easier too, then you don't have your bot listening for connections on a public ip, but localhost. |
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| 04:39.01 | simonrvn | like i described. |
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| 04:39.12 | jmoncayo | sorry to ask this here, but is there anyone here good with blender animations? |
| 04:39.21 | Name1ess | i just tried that, "... name or service not known" |
| 04:39.54 | Name1ess | i tried telnet x.x.x.x:port |
| 04:39.57 | simonrvn | jmoncayo: #blender |
| 04:40.09 | simonrvn | no, "telnet host port" |
| 04:40.19 | Name1ess | command to find out host? |
| 04:40.24 | Name1ess | localhost? |
| 04:41.11 | Name1ess | that did it. Thanks simonrvn |
| 04:41.18 | simonrvn | yes... localhost is 127.0.0.1 usually |
| 04:41.25 | Name1ess | yeah |
| 04:41.32 | Name1ess | and no : needed either |
| 04:42.01 | Name1ess | learning all the way, I am off to find something else I can't do. Shouldn't be too long :P |
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| 05:09.33 | deco | is it safe to remove epiphany? |
| 05:10.25 | simonrvn | one less browser installed |
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| 05:26.05 | nirupama | libtool: link: `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object how to solve this error while compilinh |
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| 05:39.03 | wekt | ... not only selected ones? |
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| 06:19.15 | jony123 | quick question is their any software for linux that moniters power useage and can return a value in kilowatts or something similar |
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| 06:22.32 | WormFood | jony123, I'm not aware of a program for that, but the hard part would be the interface to log that info in the first place |
| 06:22.51 | WormFood | get that interface, and writing the logging software should be fairly straight forward. |
| 06:23.34 | jony123 | hmm ok its because my mother defines my server as a big humming power sucker and that it should be turned off when im not at home |
| 06:24.00 | jony123 | which then obiously defeats the purpose of a server |
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| 06:24.22 | WormFood | I've done tests before |
| 06:24.40 | Name1ess | jony123 : as far as I know, your only solution would be something plugged into the wall, that you plug your computer into. |
| 06:24.42 | WormFood | if you really want to measure it, this is what you do....go get a clamp-on ac amp meter |
| 06:24.47 | Name1ess | ^ |
| 06:25.08 | WormFood | get a spare power cord, and strip off the outer insulation (not the insulation around the inner wires) |
| 06:25.39 | WormFood | take 2 loops, of one wire, and put it on the ac amp meter....that will make the meter show double of what you are really using (makes the meter more accurate) |
| 06:25.43 | jony123 | yeh just wantd to see if their was easy way. My mum proply wouldn't notice if the cpu fan wasnt on 24-7 |
| 06:25.54 | WormFood | read the amp meter, and convert to watts |
| 06:26.26 | WormFood | well in my previous tests, from years ago, I estimated my computer drew about equal to a 40-60 watt light bulb |
| 06:26.37 | jony123 | how would you convert to watts and do i realy have to sprip the outer insulation like it doesnt have to be that aurrect |
| 06:26.43 | WormFood | it drew more power on startup, when all the hard drives were spinning up |
| 06:27.00 | WormFood | you have 2 or 3 wires in your power cord |
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| 06:27.12 | WormFood | one is a ground, one is hot, and one is a "return" |
| 06:27.16 | jony123 | well (you can laugh if you want) my server is an old p2 |
| 06:27.28 | WormFood | if you put the meter around the hot and return, then they cancel out and your meter reads nothing |
| 06:27.44 | WormFood | I'm run 386s and 486s as servers....P2s make fine servers |
| 06:27.47 | WormFood | I've* |
| 06:27.54 | Name1ess | watts = amps x volts |
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| 06:28.09 | jony123 | yeh although it took about 4 hours to complie a program |
| 06:28.11 | WormFood | so, you have to put the meter around one leg of the circuit....hot OR neutral....NOT BOTH |
| 06:28.22 | Luminax | P = VI |
| 06:28.33 | WormFood | jony123, don't bitch...I started with Linux on a '486 |
| 06:28.33 | Luminax | no multiplying the units plx :3 |
| 06:28.55 | jony123 | i realy don't want to sprip off the oyter inslulation |
| 06:28.57 | Luminax | granted, power rating are sometimes shown as 'VA' |
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| 06:29.05 | WormFood | but the problem is, this is AC....what number do you use? |
| 06:29.19 | WormFood | peak? peak-to-peak? effective? average? RMS? |
| 06:29.21 | Name1ess | 110 or 220 |
| 06:29.25 | Name1ess | Nominal |
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| 06:29.32 | jony123 | WormFood in your tests from years ago what was the pc your were testing it from |
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| 06:29.34 | Name1ess | USA is 110 nominal volts |
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| 06:29.50 | WormFood | jony123, similar to what you're testing |
| 06:29.51 | Luminax | RMS |
| 06:29.55 | ex-parrot | hey all... where is it that apt stored config files that shouldn't be overwritten during a package install? I want to install a "fresh" set of files in /etc/ssh |
| 06:29.58 | WormFood | yeah, in general RMS is the best |
| 06:30.00 | Luminax | 110 is already RMS volt |
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| 06:30.12 | jony123 | hmm so its about the power use of a light blub |
| 06:30.14 | WormFood | really? "110v" is RMS? |
| 06:30.24 | ex-parrot | yeah, your power is specced as an RMS value |
| 06:30.24 | Luminax | as far as my memory serve me, yeah |
| 06:30.28 | ex-parrot | peak is 1.4 times higher |
| 06:30.31 | WormFood | the power use of a light bulb depends on the bulb |
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| 06:30.47 | WormFood | you have 40, 60, 75 and 100 watt light bulbs as common |
| 06:30.47 | Luminax | /sqrt(2) |
| 06:30.53 | Name1ess | you can add up the power requirements of the parts in your system, too |
| 06:30.59 | Luminax | errr sqrt(2) * |
| 06:31.21 | ex-parrot | anyone know where apt marks config files as being "modified by the user" so they shouldn't be overwritten? I need to unset this flag for openssh |
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| 06:31.35 | WormFood | anyway jony123....just tell your mom, it draws less than 100 watt light bulb....as a rough guess, I'd say between 60 and 75 watts |
| 06:31.45 | jony123 | hmm anyone know if i can change the cpu fan settings cus its always on |
| 06:31.46 | Name1ess | however, I have a 500w power supply - this does NOT mean I use 500w to run my system |
| 06:32.06 | WormFood | jony123, maybe...MAYBE...you can get a temp controlled fan |
| 06:32.09 | Name1ess | never turn off CPU fan |
| 06:32.14 | Luminax | PC's powerdraw can't simply be calculated by its power supply's rating |
| 06:32.15 | WormFood | jony123, or get a passive heatsink |
| 06:32.23 | WormFood | no it can't Luminax |
| 06:32.26 | Name1ess | Luminax: i agree |
| 06:32.28 | Luminax | without a monitor, one's CPU draw at MAX the power rating's of the PSU |
| 06:32.47 | Luminax | from my experience, the average is around 20% draw to 60% draw |
| 06:32.52 | WormFood | that is like saying you can see how fast a car goes by looking at the speedometer |
| 06:32.59 | jony123 | im gonna go thanks for the info i might look into what else i can do |
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| 06:33.07 | Luminax | with 35% to 40% being the average idle/active treshold |
| 06:33.28 | WormFood | Luminax, and you're verifying this how? |
| 06:33.36 | Name1ess | you would have to add the watt requirements of the: MB, HDD, fans. |
| 06:33.40 | Luminax | I used to monitor server ? ;p |
| 06:33.42 | WormFood | I used an actual amp meter to get my calculation |
| 06:33.50 | WormFood | I used an actual amp meter to get my readings |
| 06:33.59 | Luminax | galvanometer |
| 06:34.03 | Luminax | (in amp setting) |
| 06:34.09 | WormFood | and my server was between 40 and 60 watts, back then |
| 06:34.14 | WormFood | now, they draw more |
| 06:34.30 | ex-parrot | nevermind guys, I extacted the /etc tree from the openssh-server .deb using ar and moved it in place manually. |
| 06:34.50 | Luminax | heatsinks, airflows, etc etc also have an effect on the total power consumption |
| 06:34.56 | ex-parrot | oh damn it doesn't contain the right files anyway |
| 06:35.14 | WormFood | what are you talking about Luminax? not enough to have an real effect on power draw |
| 06:35.34 | WormFood | they CAN have an effect, but shouldn't in most cases |
| 06:35.39 | ex-parrot | the config files for openssh-server are in the openssh-client package. handy |
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| 06:35.58 | Luminax | I'm talking more about long-term effect, but eh... |
| 06:36.05 | Luminax | shrugs |
| 06:36.30 | Name1ess | in truth, the computer itself uses very little power. It's the monitor that is a hog. |
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| 06:36.43 | Luminax | nods |
| 06:36.51 | Luminax | CRT even moreso |
| 06:37.00 | Name1ess | yeah |
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| 06:38.04 | Luminax | the top powerhog in a PC is the monitor... followed closely by the DVD/CD drive (assuming constant usage)... or a power hungry graphic card... |
| 06:38.27 | WormFood | the monitor is not a PC |
| 06:38.57 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:38.57 | WormFood | the hard drives draw a bit of power on startup |
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| 06:38.58 | WormFood | once they are spinning, they draw little |
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| 06:39.17 | deco | what do you guys think is the best terminal ? |
| 06:39.22 | WormFood | and speaking of hard drives...that reminds me, I have a lot of pictures I need to backup in case my hard drive goes bad |
| 06:39.35 | WormFood | deco, wyse 60 |
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| 06:40.01 | Name1ess | and with the 'green' components and software being made these days, the energy usage might even be less than it was in the 486 days. Depending on the system, and how it's used. |
| 06:41.09 | mib_it2 | Hi, i read that an internet protocol should succeed tcp/ip with 3 different connections, can you tell me what channel ask or what name it has? |
| 06:41.12 | WormFood | I think it is funny, that the intel marketing guys were saying 10ghz cpus are coming |
| 06:41.24 | WormFood | but they didn't know they'd have massive amounts of heat to deal with |
| 06:41.49 | WormFood | interesting, that now CPUs are designs, using origins in laptop CPUs, because of their power saving designs. |
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| 06:41.55 | Luminax | hrmmm |
| 06:41.59 | Luminax | need 1TB drive :3 |
| 06:42.07 | WormFood | I have a 1.5 Luminax :P |
| 06:42.17 | Luminax | curse you :| |
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| 06:42.32 | WormFood | cost me almost 900å
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| 06:42.33 | kamp2tux | I have installed debian lenny with desktop env (gdm) but I prefer to start GUI or no GUI as i wish. Sometime I want to have GUI sometime i do not. please advise me how to enable and disable gdm whenever i restart computer ? |
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| 06:42.37 | Name1ess | i have 3x 500GB - 2 @ SATA, 1 @ PATA |
| 06:42.55 | WormFood | kamp2tux, runlevel |
| 06:43.09 | Luminax | o.o what's that currency ? |
| 06:43.15 | WormFood | back home, in usa, I have about six 500 gig hard drives |
| 06:43.22 | WormFood | yuan |
| 06:43.23 | kamp2tux | WormFood: sorry, i am newbie. |
| 06:43.24 | WormFood | rmb |
| 06:43.25 | enouf | kamp2tux: there might be a few ways ... hrm, WormFood 's answer sounds easy |
| 06:43.26 | WormFood | cny |
| 06:43.41 | enouf | and plausible |
| 06:43.48 | kamp2tux | can help me with easy way. |
| 06:43.49 | WormFood | check out init and inittab |
| 06:44.02 | WormFood | Luminax, that is chinese money |
| 06:44.11 | Luminax | oh Won ? |
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| 06:44.17 | WormFood | won? |
| 06:44.19 | WormFood | that is korean |
| 06:44.21 | enouf | WormFood: that's the harder way ;-) |
| 06:44.21 | Luminax | I saw å
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| 06:44.26 | WormFood | that is yuan |
| 06:44.31 | Luminax | right, Yuan >_> |
| 06:44.34 | WormFood | won is korean |
| 06:44.40 | WormFood | yen is japanese |
| 06:44.51 | enouf | Juan is puerto rican :0 |
| 06:44.53 | Name1ess | is lost |
| 06:45.00 | WormFood | the smallest chinese coin, is bigger in value than the smallest american coin |
| 06:45.02 | Luminax | å |
| 06:45.18 | Name1ess | WormFood - not hard to do |
| 06:45.33 | Name1ess | the 'penny' hasn't had any REAL value for decades |
| 06:45.33 | enouf | Name1ess: what's the issue man? |
| 06:45.35 | WormFood | the chinese used to have a coin that was 0.15 cents....but they did away with it |
| 06:45.41 | WormFood | Name1ess, yes it does |
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| 06:45.47 | WormFood | it has real value in its metal content |
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| 06:45.59 | WormFood | in fact.....it has more value in its metal than its face value |
| 06:46.03 | enouf | s/metal/alloy/ |
| 06:46.05 | Name1ess | enouf - no issue, was joking about all the currencies that I am unfamilliar with |
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| 06:46.24 | WormFood | if we had not been taken off the gold standard, then that money would retain their value |
| 06:46.24 | jony123_ | il ask my question again because i lost connection if i took out my cpu fan what would happen |
| 06:46.31 | jony123_ | il ask my question again because i lost connection if i took out my cpu fan what would happen |
| 06:46.35 | jony123_ | sorry |
| 06:46.38 | ajavid | cpu = burn |
| 06:46.38 | enouf | Name1ess: oh "02:34 < Name1ess> i have 3x 500GB - 2 @ SATA, 1 @ PATA" i was waiting for the followup :-O |
| 06:46.42 | ajavid | don't remvoe the fan |
| 06:46.42 | WormFood | jony123, most likely your CPU would die |
| 06:46.48 | Name1ess | heh |
| 06:46.54 | Name1ess | just bragging :P |
| 06:46.54 | jony123_ | what about if i only ran it for 2 secs |
| 06:47.03 | ajavid | Name1ess, thats it? |
| 06:47.05 | WormFood | if you want to remove the fan, then you need a bigger heatsink |
| 06:47.13 | ajavid | I have 1.75TB mirrored... |
| 06:47.14 | WormFood | for 2 seconds it is not going to overheat |
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| 06:47.20 | ajavid | and I'm running out of space... |
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| 06:47.25 | Name1ess | ajavid - well, I also have an 80G and a 120G, but yeah |
| 06:47.27 | WormFood | ajavid, http://fuckyourcomputer.net/ |
| 06:47.30 | jony123_ | ok could i get a bigger more quite fan |
| 06:47.31 | valan | heh no cpu fan |
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| 06:47.33 | enouf | runs only fanLESS cpus |
| 06:47.34 | valan | that could be fun ;) |
| 06:47.36 | jony123_ | and replace the too |
| 06:47.40 | ajavid | WormFood, yes, fuck my computer |
| 06:47.46 | ajavid | WormFood, you only wish you could! |
| 06:47.48 | WormFood | ajavid, did you see the page? |
| 06:47.53 | ajavid | I however, CAN put my dick in my computer |
| 06:47.53 | WormFood | read it, seriously |
| 06:47.55 | valan | but fanless cpus are designed to produce less heat |
| 06:47.58 | ajavid | ok |
| 06:48.06 | Luminax | fan ? what's that |
| 06:48.14 | enouf | valan: or they have REALLY BIG heatsinks ;-) |
| 06:48.21 | valan | that too |
| 06:48.28 | ajavid | WormFood, its not funny |
| 06:48.32 | ajavid | WormFood, its lame as fuck |
| 06:48.35 | valan | atom cpu in my carpc is fanless |
| 06:48.35 | WormFood | "fan" is a shortened version of the word "fanatic", and it means someone who likes something very much |
| 06:48.46 | valan | funny though, there's a fan on the northbridge |
| 06:48.51 | enouf | valan: pentium II ;-) |
| 06:48.59 | WormFood | ajavid, still....fuck your computer! :P |
| 06:49.05 | ajavid | sure |
| 06:49.09 | ajavid | I ilke to fuck it |
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| 06:49.17 | enouf | WormFood: in only one context |
| 06:49.20 | valan | and now back to packing |
| 06:49.36 | Name1ess | what about my Commodore 64? I am willing to pimp that out to you horny technophiles ;) |
| 06:49.48 | enouf | valan: going on a cruise? |
| 06:49.56 | valan | nah |
| 06:49.58 | WormFood | ok ladies, I gotta go back to work now....you all have a good day, l8r åè§ |
| 06:50.00 | enouf | wuss |
| 06:50.04 | valan | redeploying back to the states in a couple months |
| 06:50.05 | ajavid | enouf, nah.. fudge. |
| 06:50.06 | valan | heh |
| 06:50.16 | enouf | WormFood: see ya hon |
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| 06:50.39 | enouf | ajavid: aren't you happy i didn't call you that? :-P |
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| 06:51.29 | ajavid | you're a chic |
| 06:51.32 | ajavid | I learned to deal with it |
| 06:51.35 | ajavid | ;) |
| 06:51.38 | enouf | valan: deploying? hrm .. ask WormFood for all the various contexts that word can be used in :-P |
| 06:51.49 | valan | lol |
| 06:52.00 | enouf | ajavid: listen sweetums .. |
| 06:52.50 | valan | i'm referring to the i'm leaving afghanistan in a couple months type of redeploying |
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| 06:52.51 | ajavid | you in the army? |
| 06:52.51 | ajavid | or soemthing |
| 06:52.51 | valan | i am |
| 06:52.51 | ajavid | wtf did you join the army for? |
| 06:52.58 | ajavid | did you need college money? |
| 06:53.09 | valan | college money is a nice perk |
| 06:53.11 | enouf | valan: should i presume your _em_ployment is military-based? |
| 06:53.15 | ajavid | trust me |
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| 06:53.23 | valan | as well as damn near any tech cert i want for free |
| 06:53.31 | ajavid | if you joined the military for college money, college wasn't gonna help to begin with. |
| 06:53.46 | valan | i didn't join it for the college money, it was just a perk |
| 06:53.52 | enouf | types way too slowly ... never going to change .. atleast not without good AI |
| 06:54.01 | ajavid | the only reason to join the military is if you like to kill people |
| 06:54.07 | valan | i have fun in the army |
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| 06:54.19 | ajavid | if you like to kill people in general, there is a legal and positive way to do that too, join the army |
| 06:54.25 | ajavid | but any other reason is a bullshit reason. |
| 06:54.38 | valan | right now i'm administering a wan with over 10 remote locations and around 5,000 users |
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| 06:55.04 | enouf | ok .. we can stop the OT here now |
| 06:55.05 | valan | i get to work on all sorts of crazy cool technology |
| 06:55.09 | valan | heh |
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| 06:55.35 | ajavid | how old were you when you joined? |
| 06:55.56 | enouf | --> #debian-offtopic or ##debian-offtopic or #defocus or ... anywhere ELSE ;-) |
| 06:56.06 | valan | should take this to #debian-offtopic to make enouf happy :) |
| 06:56.11 | ajavid | fuck enouf |
| 06:56.24 | enouf | !fuck ajavid |
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| 06:56.30 | ajavid | hah! |
| 06:56.33 | ajavid | double burn! |
| 06:56.36 | ajavid | nya! |
| 06:56.42 | enouf | !hump ajavid |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | testdrives ajavid's leg |
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| 06:56.49 | valan | whoa |
| 06:56.55 | valan | silly dpkg |
| 06:56.56 | enouf | :-) |
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| 06:57.36 | ajavid | I fell asleep around 6 or 7 |
| 06:57.40 | ajavid | woke up at 1:30 |
| 06:57.54 | ajavid | now im sleepy again but i have a heartburn, so im waiting for it to go away before I lie down again |
| 06:58.24 | enouf | <== forgot to promote the #debian-chat and #frostedweb channels |
| 06:58.41 | Thunderguy | Debian is the best Operating System I've used for a few years |
| 06:59.03 | enouf | ajavid: atm, i'm laying next to my ... darling |
| 06:59.05 | ajavid | You don't mess with the Debian! |
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| 06:59.29 | valan | best is subjective ;) |
| 06:59.33 | enouf | ajavid: when are you going to get laid? |
| 06:59.47 | enouf | (talk about OT heh) |
| 06:59.53 | ajavid | no thats its any of your business... but this morning. |
| 07:00.01 | ajavid | and the monrin before that |
| 07:00.04 | enouf | ajavid: don't lie |
| 07:00.05 | enouf | it |
| 07:00.05 | ajavid | and the night before that |
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| 07:00.15 | ajavid | like I said, mind your own. |
| 07:00.17 | enouf | it's unbecoming of you hon |
| 07:00.19 | dub | mrs palmer been busy |
| 07:00.34 | Thunderguy | I been telling a lot of my 'windows' peers all my great stories, but they never switch, not any of them, they never get debian... though they never clear their browser cache either and block themselves with their own firewall, so what can you expect? |
| 07:00.50 | ajavid | enouf, when you date in new york for 3 years, go back down south, southern girls are EASY. |
| 07:00.56 | ajavid | and I'm the shit. |
| 07:00.59 | ajavid | anyway, high OT |
| 07:01.00 | valan | i don't clear my browser cache, i don't run a firewall |
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| 07:01.20 | Luminax | firewall ? what's that |
| 07:01.25 | enouf | ajavid: i'm too good looking and too real for trailer park trash |
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| 07:01.43 | ajavid | thats the beauty of it, you can fuck trailer trash and treat it like so, its fun. |
| 07:01.50 | ajavid | I'm gonna shut up. |
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| 07:02.12 | enouf | i don't like abusing privilege or people |
| 07:02.24 | ajavid | I like abusing those who welcome it. |
| 07:02.25 | enouf | too |
| 07:02.27 | ajavid | liek you! |
| 07:02.28 | Thunderguy | Well I think I'll buy a trailer though ( cheaper then a house ) |
| 07:02.32 | ajavid | absues enouf |
| 07:02.50 | enouf | !abuse ajavid because he's begging for it |
| 07:02.51 | dpkg | ajavid because he's begging for it: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 07:02.51 | ajavid | enouf, I just build xul runner 1.9 |
| 07:02.54 | dub | I thought debian was real cool too, until I joined the irc channel and found the special porn olympics in progress |
| 07:03.01 | ajavid | enouf, just backported iceweasel .11 |
| 07:03.12 | ajavid | I don't like to use backports.org too much |
| 07:03.16 | enouf | ajavid: amazing .. xulrunner can suck my ass |
| 07:03.24 | ajavid | I tried to backport xort 7.4 |
| 07:03.26 | ajavid | no dice |
| 07:03.33 | ajavid | stable libs too old |
| 07:03.46 | ajavid | would have to backport a lot to get it going |
| 07:03.52 | ajavid | and still no stability |
| 07:03.59 | ajavid | I just really wanted 3d accel |
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| 07:04.28 | enouf | oh yeah .. now i recall .. you're incessant maniacal rantings about 2.6.30 + kde 3.x crap |
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| 07:04.35 | ajavid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1M 2009-06-14 19:43 iceweasel_3.0.11-1_amd64.deb |
| 07:04.40 | Thunderguy | dub: well, in that case, if this were a windoows chan, I could imagine some baby eating |
| 07:04.45 | enouf | and FREE xorg drivers |
| 07:04.52 | ajavid | yes |
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| 07:04.59 | enouf | bloat |
| 07:05.01 | ajavid | but I have .29 custom and trying to build fglrx and fial |
| 07:05.07 | ajavid | you're bloat |
| 07:05.10 | ajavid | fat man walkin |
| 07:05.12 | ajavid | shaddup |
| 07:05.25 | enouf | p2 's don't allow for bloat ;-) |
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| 07:05.42 | ajavid | yeh, I like to run linux on something better than a calculator |
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| 07:06.11 | valan | linux on a calculator |
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| 07:06.15 | enouf | ajavid: what TI stock at now? |
| 07:06.16 | battle | anyone know why when i change ownership/group to my user (.bashrc) it still doesn't execute when i load up a new ssh? |
| 07:06.16 | valan | i'm getting ideas... |
| 07:06.18 | valan | damn you |
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| 07:06.24 | ajavid | no idea |
| 07:06.57 | enouf | valan: i have it on running on my toaster oven and jacuzzi ;-) go for it |
| 07:07.08 | ajavid | battle, source it |
| 07:07.21 | \amethyst | battle: what is your login shell? |
| 07:07.30 | enouf | battle: logout/login? |
| 07:07.32 | polycarbonate1 | haha |
| 07:07.34 | ajavid | battle, edit ~/.bash_profile and enter the line ' source ~/.bashrc ' (without quotes) |
| 07:07.36 | Thunderguy | battle: Well, I don't know much about it, but, is ssh loading bash? |
| 07:07.44 | \amethyst | battle: getent passwd $(id -u) | cut -d: -f7 |
| 07:07.45 | battle | ssh isn't loading the bash |
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| 07:07.49 | battle | i can manually type 'bash' and it'll display |
| 07:07.51 | battle | the colors and whatnot. |
| 07:07.55 | polycarbonate1 | is going to try and get some sort of *Nix running on a Sony Ericsson K800i |
| 07:07.56 | polycarbonate1 | :D |
| 07:08.00 | ajavid | oh thats diff |
| 07:08.06 | enouf | ajavid: mine already has that as default from Sarge or something |
| 07:08.09 | jelly-home | battle: is your login shell something other than bash? |
| 07:08.16 | nirupama | what is meant by not a valid libtool object error and how to solve it |
| 07:08.23 | ajavid | battle, cat /etc/passwd |
| 07:08.27 | ajavid | |grep youruser |
| 07:08.39 | nirupama | usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool --silent --mode=link i486-linux-gnu-gcc -pipe -I/usr/include/xmltok -I/usr/include/openssl -Wall -O2 -pthread -pipe -I/usr/include/xmltok -I/usr/include/openssl -Wall -O2 -Wl,--as-needed -o libmain.la -static test_char.h log.lo is showing it worked but still the same error log.lo is not a valid libtool object |
| 07:08.40 | ajavid | or echo $SHELL |
| 07:08.42 | enouf | polycarbonate1: sony? TRAITOR! |
| 07:08.45 | enouf | :-p |
| 07:08.52 | battle | didn't output anything |
| 07:08.55 | battle | doing echo $SHELL |
| 07:09.00 | ajavid | ok |
| 07:09.05 | ajavid | look at passwd |
| 07:09.08 | ajavid | whats your defualt shell? |
| 07:09.09 | battle | there it is |
| 07:09.13 | battle | i did it in lowercase : /bin/bash |
| 07:09.15 | jelly-home | battle, ajavid: getent passwd username |
| 07:09.26 | ajavid | man getent |
| 07:09.36 | ajavid | i see |
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| 07:09.49 | enouf | ajavid: please chill with the enter key ... it's very contagious it seems ;-) |
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| 07:09.55 | d0htem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.58 | d0htem | :) |
| 07:10.06 | ajavid | enouf, seriously |
| 07:10.13 | battle | jelly-home; that'll fix the problem? |
| 07:10.16 | enouf | yes, seriously |
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| 07:10.22 | ajavid | no |
| 07:10.23 | ajavid | you |
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| 07:10.25 | ajavid | stfu. |
| 07:10.26 | jelly-home | battle: that'll help us debug the issue |
| 07:10.39 | battle | tjat |
| 07:10.43 | ajavid | jelly-home, didn't know about this |
| 07:10.47 | ajavid | cool stuff |
| 07:10.47 | enouf | ajavid: don't make me 'phone you at home' |
| 07:10.59 | ajavid | you said you were gonna |
| 07:11.01 | ajavid | you didn't all day |
| 07:11.11 | jelly-home | ajavid: please stop writing lines irrelevant for support, kay |
| 07:11.23 | d0htem | jelly-home: geez |
| 07:11.38 | polycarbonate1 | enouf: yup, am hoping for a DSL-like *Nix, i like Debian |
| 07:11.40 | enouf | ajavid: you should earn money as a typist ,,, you're like popeye on hydroponic spinach |
| 07:11.46 | polycarbonate1 | haha |
| 07:11.50 | battle | ajavid; i don't got a .bash_profile. :< |
| 07:11.53 | ajavid | lol |
| 07:11.57 | ajavid | battle, create one |
| 07:12.07 | jelly-home | d0htem: I'm absolutely serious, I see one useful line on the screen and ajavid's known to offtopic outbursts |
| 07:12.14 | ajavid | !bashrc |
| 07:12.14 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
| 07:12.25 | d0htem | jelly-home: my bad |
| 07:12.42 | polycarbonate1 | wow, awesome |
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| 07:12.52 | enouf | battle: are you using Debian? which release? how did you install? |
| 07:13.02 | ajavid | jelly-home, enough of your slanderous filth |
| 07:13.04 | ajavid | stfu |
| 07:13.06 | polycarbonate1 | does dpkg bot have a manpage/help/etc? |
| 07:13.07 | d0htem | does screen keep a log of all thats gone on inside of it, commands etc etc |
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| 07:13.22 | ajavid | I'm not known to whatever the fuck. Rigiht now, sure. anyway, piss off. |
| 07:13.24 | ajavid | *afk* |
| 07:13.30 | polycarbonate1 | d0htem: yess, it does |
| 07:13.33 | enouf | polycarbonate1: /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 07:13.38 | d0htem | polycarbonate1: where would it be? |
| 07:13.42 | polycarbonate1 | enouf: cool, thanks |
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| 07:14.24 | polycarbonate1 | d0htem: C-a [, select text, <enter>, |
| 07:14.36 | polycarbonate1 | d0htem: C-a ] to paste |
| 07:15.03 | battle | right, i've added ~/.bashrc to .bash_profile and it doesn't work when i relogin :p |
| 07:15.40 | ajavid | it olnly takes effect when you relogin or type source ~/.bashrc |
| 07:15.49 | battle | er |
| 07:15.51 | battle | I mean, yeah |
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| 07:15.58 | battle | I added source ~/.bashrc in .bash_profile |
| 07:16.13 | polycarbonate1 | d0htem: how much is kept is defined in ~/.screenrc with scrollback <integer> |
| 07:16.27 | ajavid | so load the file by either typing source ~/.bashrc on cli |
| 07:16.29 | ajavid | OR relogin |
| 07:16.32 | ajavid | pick one. |
| 07:16.37 | ajavid | what the FUCK is so hard about it? |
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| 07:16.54 | battle | it doesn't automatically load when i 'relogin' |
| 07:16.57 | battle | that's the problem |
| 07:17.03 | ajavid | bullshit. |
| 07:17.10 | battle | i have to 'manually' type bash |
| 07:17.12 | battle | for it to load |
| 07:17.12 | ajavid | your bash doesn't run on login |
| 07:17.16 | ajavid | has nothing to do with this |
| 07:17.20 | luckylucy2 | tar is giving me a cannot stat for the file it is to create. i haven't seen this before, any ideas? |
| 07:17.39 | valan | what shell are you using? |
| 07:17.46 | valan | i mean, what shell do you get when you login? |
| 07:17.49 | d0htem | polycarbonate1: leet thx |
| 07:17.55 | battle | bash will load default, without the manual colors i customized it with, if i type bash it'll than show colors |
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| 07:18.28 | valan | are you sure it's bash? |
| 07:18.39 | valan | what's the output of 'echo $SHELL' ? |
| 07:18.44 | battle | when i do echo $SHELL via my user |
| 07:18.47 | battle | i'll get /bin/sh |
| 07:18.53 | valan | there's the problem |
| 07:18.55 | Name1ess | that's NOT bash |
| 07:19.03 | valan | what shell does it list for the user in /etc/passwd ? |
| 07:19.11 | valan | ray:x:1000:1000:ray,,,:/home/ray:/bin/bash |
| 07:19.19 | valan | should be a line similar to that, the shell is the last part |
| 07:19.30 | d0htem | polycarbonate1: thx 4 ur time |
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| 07:19.36 | battle | yeah it has all the users as /bin/sh |
| 07:19.43 | battle | root is /bin/bash |
| 07:19.48 | \amethyst | so that's why |
| 07:19.52 | valan | ok |
| 07:19.53 | \amethyst | you can change you shell with chsh |
| 07:19.56 | valan | as user, run chsh |
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| 07:20.12 | battle | than /bin/bash right for login shell? |
| 07:20.15 | valan | yes |
| 07:20.24 | battle | sweet :D |
| 07:20.25 | battle | it worked :D |
| 07:20.46 | polycarbonate1 | d0htem: no worries :) |
| 07:20.46 | valan | /bin/sh is likely just a link to bash, but when invoked as sh bash will run in sh mode |
| 07:20.56 | valan | which won't load .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 07:21.19 | battle | ah |
| 07:21.29 | ajavid | are you seirous! |
| 07:21.36 | ajavid | i just went through all that with him 10 minutes ago |
| 07:21.41 | battle | :> |
| 07:22.07 | valan | i'm magical |
| 07:22.11 | ajavid | no |
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| 07:22.17 | ajavid | hes a fucking waste of time. |
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| 07:23.50 | ukl | hello. There's one problem that kind of bugs me every now and then: deinstalling something and forgetting to use "_" instead of "-" so there aren't any files left in /etc/init.d/ (for example) -- for now, I've been reinstalling the package to purge it properly afterwards - is that really the only way short of identifying+removing the files "by hand"? |
| 07:24.12 | \amethyst | ukl: you can purge a package after you removed it |
| 07:24.57 | \amethyst | ukl: aptitude purge ~c will purge all of them |
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| 07:25.06 | ukl | wonderful! |
| 07:25.28 | \amethyst | you might quote '~c' in case you have a user with that name :) |
| 07:25.32 | ukl | thanks a lot :) |
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| 07:25.58 | ajavid | wow |
| 07:25.58 | ukl | but I'm lost if I cleaned the cache before, right? |
| 07:26.03 | ajavid | my patience is spread too thin tonight |
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| 07:26.12 | ajavid | like too little butter over large piece of bread |
| 07:26.20 | ajavid | good night |
| 07:26.24 | ajavid | *afk* |
| 07:26.27 | \amethyst | ukl: huh? |
| 07:26.34 | \amethyst | ukl: has nothing to do with the cache |
| 07:26.51 | \amethyst | ukl: config files of unpurged packages are still in dpkg's database |
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| 07:27.27 | \amethyst | in fact, you should purge the package even if (especially if) you removed the files by hand |
| 07:27.56 | \amethyst | otherwise you will have problems if you decide later to reinstall the package (if it wasn't purged, deleted config files won't be replaced) |
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| 07:30.44 | KenSentMe | Hi, i did an apt-get upgrade on my server through ssh. I went afk for a while and now my ssh session is closed. However upgrade hasnt finished and showed a screen i need to 'ok'. Is it possible to continue with the running upgrade process or should i kill it and start over? |
| 07:31.28 | ukl | \amethyst: thanks a lot, the last few minutes were very helpful for me :) |
| 07:31.36 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: are you using screen or something? |
| 07:31.53 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: or just SSH to a shell? |
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| 07:32.03 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: im afraid not, just using ssh to shell |
| 07:32.10 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: oh dear |
| 07:32.22 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: i know :) |
| 07:32.58 | polycarbonate1 | so the process is still running? |
| 07:33.07 | polycarbonate1 | and is the shell still running? |
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| 07:33.32 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: well, the ssh connection got interupted, but the process is still running |
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| 07:33.55 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: it's possible to disown procs and reassign them to a different tty |
| 07:34.11 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: how do i do that? |
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| 07:34.42 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: so how did you manage to have the proc still running and lose the parent shell? |
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| 07:35.44 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: I dont know. This is what ps aux shows: root 8714 0.0 0.9 13240 10264 pts/0 S+ 09:05 0:00 apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:36.02 | polycarbonate1 | ah, ok |
| 07:36.37 | turnschuh | hi there, after the installation of windows xp on a different hard disk, the lvm on my first hard disk is disappeared, i can't get access to it with a live cd, i don't even get any error messages. could somebody help me pls? |
| 07:36.54 | polycarbonate1 | turnschuh: fdisk :) |
| 07:37.04 | turnschuh | ah no it won't help |
| 07:37.07 | polycarbonate1 | ok |
| 07:37.29 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: *is thinken...* |
| 07:37.39 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: thanks for that :) |
| 07:37.44 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: you can, but i don't remember how |
| 07:38.28 | polycarbonate1 | turnschuh: so what exactly's happened? |
| 07:38.36 | polycarbonate1 | you've lost the partition map? |
| 07:38.39 | turnschuh | okay |
| 07:38.42 | turnschuh | no |
| 07:38.44 | turnschuh | its there |
| 07:38.53 | polycarbonate1 | but screwed up? |
| 07:39.07 | turnschuh | yeah maybe |
| 07:39.13 | turnschuh | but i looks ok |
| 07:39.15 | turnschuh | it |
| 07:39.29 | turnschuh | i can't get access to my lvm |
| 07:39.37 | polycarbonate1 | ok, so was it a disk image for your VM that's gone? |
| 07:39.57 | turnschuh | sorry don't understand |
| 07:40.10 | turnschuh | wait |
| 07:40.23 | polycarbonate1 | turnschuh: what exactly's missing? a VM disk image? |
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| 07:40.38 | turnschuh | i will explain more careful, wait |
| 07:40.58 | polycarbonate1 | k |
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| 07:41.56 | betz | somebody knows how to add a new email via ssh? |
| 07:41.56 | Hajuu | Impossible.. |
| 07:42.51 | polycarbonate1 | betz: in what way? |
| 07:43.22 | betz | i used to have plesk or cpanel before, now not anymore, but i want to add my email account back |
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| 07:44.43 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: what would happen if i just kill the process? |
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| 07:45.43 | turnschuh | i have one hard disk, the first partition is ext2 for /boot, the second partition is a lvm, with /root /home swap etc... everything works fine. yesterday i installed a second hard disk on wich i installed windows xp with one partition ntfs. so windows is installed and now i am trying with a live cd to write the mbr with grub. but i can't activate the lvm, the lvm programs still print nothing, it seems like the lvm is blowing away... and i don |
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| 07:46.13 | polycarbonate1 | betz: ah, sorry, no go |
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| 07:46.25 | polycarbonate1 | KenSentMe: yeah, probably the best thing |
| 07:46.36 | polycarbonate1 | turnschuh: sorry, can't help you |
| 07:46.44 | polycarbonate1 | anyway's i'm off for now |
| 07:46.46 | turnschuh | damn :/ |
| 07:47.02 | polycarbonate1 | seeya #debian :) |
| 07:47.35 | konr | guys, I'm not being able to connect to a debian box's 6600, yet I can't figure why. I can connect locally to it and I can connect remotely to another port (ie 4080). |
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| 07:48.13 | ssm | konr: the service may listen only on localhost, or there may be a local firewall on it |
| 07:48.23 | rvalles | konr: maybe whatever service uses that listens in just lo interface? |
| 07:48.41 | rvalles | konr: netstat -l, should be *:6600 |
| 07:48.48 | bylzz | turnschuh: what live cd are u using? |
| 07:48.57 | turnschuh | ubuntu 8.04 |
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| 07:49.43 | KenSentMe | polycarbonate1: killing and running apt-get upgrade again seemed to work. Thanks for your help |
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| 07:51.26 | konr | rvalles, ssm: yes! in local address, it is marked localhost:6600! |
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| 07:53.18 | canaro | hello. do anybody of you have a shell on http://ninthfloor.org ? they offer free accounts on a debian system, but they don't specify which version of debian. |
| 07:53.26 | canaro | any idea? |
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| 07:57.31 | Zvpun | Today I did and upgrade (I use testing) and sound stopped working. I think it has to do with pulseaudio |
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| 07:58.36 | ssm | konr: then you can only connect to it from the local host. If you need to access it from elsewhere, you need to tell the daemon responsible for it to bind on all intefaces instead of just localhost. |
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| 07:59.14 | raphi | canaro: it's a debian 5 |
| 07:59.54 | enouf | turnschuh: reinstall grub or whichever bootloader you were using -- installing windows anywhere will break all that |
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| 08:00.45 | enouf | !+tell turnschuh -about rescue mode |
| 08:00.46 | dpkg | told turnschuh about rescue mode. |
| 08:01.19 | canaro | raphi, how do you tell that? you have an account? |
| 08:01.34 | raphi | no not yet, but looks like a cool project :-D |
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| 08:01.41 | turnschuh | enouf: i know, thats not the problem |
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| 08:01.52 | turnschuh | enouf: thx anyway |
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| 08:02.25 | enouf | turnschuh: know what? |
| 08:02.34 | enouf | welcome anyway |
| 08:02.45 | turnschuh | enouf: i know that windows breaks the mbr |
| 08:02.47 | canaro | raphi, also to me :) but I don't really know (asking an account is not straightforward). I'm just curious, how did you tell it's Lenny? |
| 08:03.15 | enouf | turnschuh: so how precisely does LVM work when there's no MBR? |
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| 08:04.01 | raphi | canaro: nmap.. |
| 08:04.19 | turnschuh | enouf: i should get access to lvm with a live cd |
| 08:04.30 | turnschuh | enouf: but it won't work |
| 08:04.35 | canaro | raphi, ok :) |
| 08:04.40 | enouf | turnschuh: the bootloader passes control to the kernel which then loads the needed modules - many times, if LiLo isn't used, but grub is; with grub1 an initrd and /boot on non-LVM is necessary |
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| 08:04.55 | eshaase | so is it safe to do a resize2fs on an extended logical volume while the partition is mounted on a modern dist? |
| 08:05.00 | turnschuh | enouf: i know |
| 08:05.27 | enouf | turnschuh: try another, like sysresccd.com |
| 08:05.37 | enouf | you know nothing |
| 08:05.57 | turnschuh | enouf: it works the last time always with ubuntu 8.04 |
| 08:05.59 | enouf | otherwise you wouldn't be here acting perplexed |
| 08:06.38 | enouf | and read the damned factoid that dpkg told you about |
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| 08:07.15 | turnschuh | it wouldn't help i guess |
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| 08:08.19 | turnschuh | because i can't get access to the lvm, then the bootmanager also are not able to read it |
| 08:08.37 | turnschuh | what the heck shall this help?! |
| 08:09.31 | bylzz | turnschuh: what line are you giving grub when you get the error? |
| 08:09.45 | turnschuh | its not grub |
| 08:09.57 | turnschuh | there is no grub |
| 08:10.11 | turnschuh | i am trying with a live cd to get access to the lvm |
| 08:10.15 | turnschuh | nothing more |
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| 08:10.29 | turnschuh | it works always the last times |
| 08:10.55 | enouf | noboby cares about some crappy livecd |
| 08:11.11 | turnschuh | ... |
| 08:11.18 | heroxbd | Hey guys! I've met with a weird problem: when "ping <host>" is ok, "ssh <host>" says cannot resolve address. How can it be? |
| 08:11.20 | enouf | but one last word of advice; see your CMOS |
| 08:11.20 | bylzz | try a tty and install grub on like hd0,0 |
| 08:11.44 | turnschuh | enouf: thanks for nothing :> |
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| 08:12.03 | enouf | yeah, i suck |
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| 08:12.53 | enouf | heroxbd: see what ssh -vvv tells you |
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| 08:14.32 | heroxbd | enouf: ssh: Could not resolve hostname storm.thusast.org: Name or service not known |
| 08:14.41 | enouf | heroxbd: /etc/ssh*/* are the systemwide config files, maybe a /etc/pam.d/ssh issue as well -- check those, as well as if any denyhosts or fail2ban or iptables is running |
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| 08:15.55 | enouf | heroxbd: sounds like an /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} thing, but then ping wouldn't/shouldn't work AFAIUI |
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| 08:16.13 | heroxbd | enouf: another clue: when I use IP address to connect, I can never type the password right. |
| 08:16.48 | enouf | that now sounds like a terminal issue .. but i'm not certain |
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| 08:17.02 | enouf | or ,, even a locale issue |
| 08:17.18 | enouf | !keymap |
| 08:17.18 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 08:18.37 | heroxbd | enouf: but, when I type explicitly into the console my password, there is nothing wrong. |
| 08:18.52 | enouf | as opposed to? |
| 08:19.50 | heroxbd | enouf: keymap or console problems. |
| 08:19.55 | enouf | IP.ad.dr.es.ss working and hostname not is a DNS issue |
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| 08:20.29 | enouf | enouf: but, when I type explicitly into the console my password, <-- enouf> as opposed to? |
| 08:20.36 | bylzz | just put it in your /etc/hosts then :P |
| 08:22.16 | heroxbd | enouf: But ping <hostname> works. |
| 08:23.05 | enouf | make sure you only respond to non-critical dialogue only |
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| 08:23.40 | enouf | !spank ajavid |
| 08:23.40 | dpkg | bends ajavid over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 08:33.25 | yareckon | hi, need a bash tip |
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| 08:33.37 | bolt-work | yareckon: use tab completion :) |
| 08:33.47 | yareckon | say I want to move file /home/myuser/file.x to /home/myuser/file.y |
| 08:33.51 | yareckon | thanks! |
| 08:34.11 | yareckon | how do I avoid typing /home/myuser/file.y |
| 08:34.14 | themill | rename ftw |
| 08:34.28 | mikester | Hi there, anyone can help me debug this kind of error: KERNEL PANIC - NOT SYNCING,An NMI occured, Please see the integrated management log for detailes. The problem is that there is no log to verify. Any ideas? |
| 08:34.46 | yareckon | just want to type (last directory command here) file.y |
| 08:34.52 | yareckon | anything like this? |
| 08:35.21 | bolt-work | rename? |
| 08:35.22 | yareckon | rename will help me in this particular case of mv a file |
| 08:35.51 | yareckon | but is there a bash expansion for (path of argument1) |
| 08:36.15 | yareckon | (or directory of) argument 1? |
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| 08:36.32 | yareckon | guess renaming is my only use case though..... |
| 08:36.33 | yareckon | hmmm |
| 08:36.52 | nkuttler | yareckon: try #bash, don't think so. besides, rename 's#foo#bar#' /home/blah/*foo |
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| 08:37.31 | heroxbd | enouf: I discovered almost very tool can't resolve correctly. just except ping :( |
| 08:37.34 | yareckon | thanks guys.... |
| 08:37.48 | yareckon | & gals |
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| 08:38.59 | serbz | what is the latest php version for debian |
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| 08:39.10 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.12 | yareckon | stable? |
| 08:39.28 | serbz | yeh stabe |
| 08:39.30 | serbz | stable* |
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| 08:40.12 | themill | dpkg: tell serbz about search |
| 08:40.25 | WormFood | for stable branch, I think it is still on php3 |
| 08:40.33 | WormFood | maybe php2 |
| 08:40.37 | nkuttler | WormFood: not funny |
| 08:40.38 | serbz | ... |
| 08:40.41 | WormFood | hahahaha |
| 08:40.46 | WormFood | it is funny to me |
| 08:40.55 | nkuttler | WormFood: go to #debian-funny then |
| 08:41.12 | WormFood | I was sure to use something so old, anyone could be sure I was joking |
| 08:41.15 | serbz | coz I was looking at centos... its PHP 5.1.6... from August 2006 :S |
| 08:41.58 | WormFood | which sentos? |
| 08:42.03 | serbz | themill: im not sure where to find this infol.. I dont have debian installed |
| 08:42.04 | nkuttler | WormFood: that's like saying everybody knows rm -rf / is meant as a joke |
| 08:42.05 | serbz | 5.3 |
| 08:42.12 | themill | serbz: read the factoid again |
| 08:42.13 | nkuttler | serbz: packages.debian.org |
| 08:42.19 | serbz | ok |
| 08:42.28 | WormFood | that is the correct version for sentos 5 |
| 08:42.36 | themill | judd versions php5 |
| 08:42.41 | WormFood | nkuttler, know anyone who did it? |
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| 08:43.22 | serbz | ok cool |
| 08:43.23 | serbz | 5.2.6 |
| 08:43.31 | WormFood | nkuttler, anyone who is asking about php version numbers has 1/2 a clue....I'm sure anyone asking about version numbers that isn't asking for someone else, would know php2 and php3 are VERY old. |
| 08:43.35 | serbz | that's much more recent than for centos |
| 08:43.52 | nkuttler | WormFood: i'm done with that topic |
| 08:43.53 | WormFood | sentos is a joke |
| 08:43.53 | WormFood | me too nkuttler |
| 08:43.56 | serbz | do you dislike the letter c? |
| 08:44.16 | WormFood | I dislike calling it by the name as they spell it |
| 08:44.22 | yareckon | I see |
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| 08:44.33 | themill | !wb judd |
| 08:44.33 | WormFood | why do you think we call "red hat" as "root hat"? |
| 08:44.33 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned! |
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| 08:45.03 | WormFood | mandrake as manrape |
| 08:45.13 | WormFood | gentoo as ghetoo |
| 08:45.34 | Agiofws | ok i compiled new vanilla kernel from an old vanlila kernel and now my lapi will not recongize usb sticks and the card reader is not even working is it HALD or something ? |
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| 08:46.02 | WormFood | I'm confused Agiofws...you need a card reader for a usb stick? |
| 08:46.16 | Agiofws | phucking frustrating and i did not even change the conf file |
| 08:46.29 | Agiofws | WormFood, need to get the card reader working |
| 08:46.36 | WormFood | did you mean to say memory stick/card instead of usb stick? |
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| 08:47.22 | Agiofws | what ever |
| 08:47.31 | Agiofws | both dont work |
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| 08:47.41 | WormFood | well, I'm trying to figure out your problem |
| 08:47.50 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.15 | wekt | Agiofws: both are probably USB. try lsusb and check lsmod |
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| 08:48.27 | WormFood | anyways, if your card reader and usb port on the card reader does not work, then most likely they are either A) not physically connected, or B) not configured in software correctly. |
| 08:48.42 | mikester | where is a good place to start looking after kernel panic log in debian, other than /var/log/syslog || /var/log/messages? |
| 08:48.49 | WormFood | I find my card reader does not register when I change cards |
| 08:48.51 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/52511 |
| 08:49.25 | WormFood | if I put a card in of the same size, it is ok, but if I change card size, I either need to unplug/replug the card reader into the usb port (not fun because it is internal), or unload/reload usb_storage module. |
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| 08:49.54 | WormFood | if there is a better way than I'm doing it, I'd like to know, because that is the only way I could figure out to make it work. |
| 08:49.59 | Agiofws | workPragmatist, http://pastebin.com/m1e3138e4 |
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| 08:50.53 | Agiofws | WormFood, http://pastebin.com/m1e3138e4 |
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| 08:51.36 | WormFood | it still sounds to me like you have a physical problem |
| 08:51.45 | WormFood | anyways, I gotta get back to work |
| 08:51.50 | WormFood | good luck with it Agiofws |
| 08:51.51 | anddam_ | hello |
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| 08:52.54 | anddam_ | I'm trying to put my monitor to dpms "off" mode using either xset and vbetool but it seems to just blank, what should I check? Is this more a #xorg question or what? |
| 08:53.33 | Agiofws | usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 |
| 08:53.33 | Agiofws | usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 08:54.39 | Agiofws | hey can someone help me ? my laptop stopped recognizing usb or sd cards all of the sudden |
| 08:54.52 | Agiofws | is hald got to do anything with this ? |
| 08:54.59 | Agiofws | usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 |
| 08:54.59 | Agiofws | usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 08:55.24 | anddam_ | is that related to the video card? |
| 08:55.30 | Agiofws | why the F cani find the device assigned to it |
| 08:55.54 | Agiofws | why the F cani find the device assigned to the sd card ? |
| 08:56.25 | anddam_ | "sd card" -> scsi device? |
| 08:56.50 | anddam_ | oh secure digital |
| 08:56.54 | Agiofws | 09:01.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 12) |
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| 08:57.08 | anddam_ | Agiofws: are your driver loaded? |
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| 08:57.13 | Agiofws | phuck this new kernel |
| 08:57.26 | anddam_ | Agiofws: switch to previous one |
| 08:57.26 | Agiofws | i did not even change its conf file |
| 08:57.32 | Agiofws | was working though |
| 08:57.38 | Agiofws | too late i guess |
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| 08:58.53 | Agiofws | whats the daemon that mounts your usb sticks sd cards ? |
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| 09:02.37 | Haraken | got a quick question about netinstalls, I want to download just enough of repositories to perform base installs from my own network and nothing more. Is there a certain directory I can rsync with out having to get everything for this? |
| 09:03.31 | bolt-work | Haraken: if you want just the base install, you could just put the netinstall CD on pxe boot |
| 09:03.46 | Haraken | hm |
| 09:04.09 | Haraken | do they make a netinstall iso for testing and unstable as wel? |
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| 09:04.41 | Haraken | I guess they'd have to huh |
| 09:04.42 | Haraken | *looks |
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| 09:07.22 | Haraken | bolt-work, thanks for your help :) |
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| 09:08.24 | Mark17 | hello, I get an error about: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 stdin: is not a tty when I try to access SSH on a VPS guest with Debian Lenny |
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| 09:10.06 | bolt-work | Haraken: yes, yes they do |
| 09:10.32 | Hajuu | afternoon peoples |
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| 09:13.46 | RichiH | is there a way to check which files are openend over NFS? lsof does not work |
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| 09:18.49 | bigpresh | RichiH: lsof should show open files, regardless of whether they're local or on a remote filesystem |
| 09:19.13 | bigpresh | RichiH: Do you mean you're not seeing files which are opened from an NFS mount, or you need to see *only* files opened from that mount? |
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| 09:21.20 | nirupama | libtool: link: `log.lo' is not a valid libtool object |
| 09:21.21 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:22.22 | RichiH | bigpresh: i need to know what files the NFS clients have opened on my server |
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| 09:22.34 | bigpresh | RichiH: Ah, right |
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| 09:23.57 | bigpresh | RichiH: It sounds like something nfsstat could probably tell you, but I'm not sure |
| 09:24.13 | petemc | doesnt lsof have options specific to NFS? |
| 09:25.18 | bigpresh | Hmm, "-N This option selects the listing of NFS files" |
| 09:25.25 | bigpresh | (From lsof's manpage) |
| 09:26.37 | RichiH | nfsstat does not show anything of that kind. lsof -N returns empty |
| 09:26.48 | RichiH | but _somehthing_ is still writing on my disks |
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| 09:27.08 | themill | RichiH: pull out the cable and see who complains? |
| 09:27.11 | themill | hides |
| 09:28.06 | Haraken | freaking sweet, I found a program called apt-cacher |
| 09:28.12 | Haraken | this will serve my purposes PERFECTLY |
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| 09:29.46 | RichiH | themill: hmmm, no |
| 09:29.49 | qneo | hi guys, I've got question regarding Lenny install (it's failing). should I ask here, or irc.debian.org? |
| 09:30.03 | bolt-work | here's fine |
| 09:30.09 | qneo | the installation step failed. You can try... The failing step is: Select and install software. |
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| 09:30.17 | superlinux_ | what does it mean that my bios is optimized for a particular OS? |
| 09:30.18 | themill | RichiH: where's the sense of adventure? |
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| 09:30.33 | superlinux_ | or what's the effect of that? |
| 09:30.54 | bolt-work | superlinux_: that os probably wont crash as much as it might otherwise have |
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| 09:31.45 | bolt-work | superlinux_: and hopefully all power saving features and such will work as expected out of the box |
| 09:31.48 | superlinux_ | 'cos i recently bought an HP machine with such a bios |
| 09:32.06 | superlinux_ | ML330 G# |
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| 09:32.09 | superlinux_ | ML330 G3 |
| 09:32.26 | superlinux_ | it so nice that has a very low noise |
| 09:32.51 | superlinux_ | it just needs to have a sound card and i can make it my desktop |
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| 09:33.27 | bolt-work | from my experience, new hp machines are amazingly quiet |
| 09:33.40 | bolt-work | quieter than most things that adverice their quietness, even |
| 09:33.52 | qneo | I tried install Lenny testing, downloaded about two weeks ago and it's failing to install. so I downloaded it again (checked md5sum), result is the same. |
| 09:33.55 | qneo | the installation step failed. You can try... The failing step is: Select and install software. |
| 09:33.58 | qneo | first I thought, it's because my old desktop, but the same result on my thinkpad T400. is it just me, or is there some problem nowadays? |
| 09:34.26 | petemc | qneo: where did you get the iso? lenny is stable, not testing |
| 09:34.52 | dbbolton | squeeze is testing |
| 09:34.53 | jelly | superlinux_: that's a server motherboard with a server bios; it's likely they have acpi/smp fixes specific to each OS they support |
| 09:35.13 | petemc | RichiH: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump , toggles logging of processes using the disk |
| 09:35.25 | superlinux_ | jelly: aha |
| 09:35.27 | superlinux_ | thanks |
| 09:35.32 | jelly | superlinux_: in any case, if you're running Linux, I guess the best thing to do is set the OS selection to... Linux :-) |
| 09:35.33 | qneo | petemc: www.debian.org. so it's not lenny, it's debian-testing, sorry, I didn't know, that is not with the same name. |
| 09:35.43 | superlinux_ | seems that i am blessed with it |
| 09:36.25 | bolt-work | qneo: switch to vty 3 or 4 or whichever one it is and look for error messages there, perhaps |
| 09:36.34 | bolt-work | qneo: (alt+f3, alt+f4) |
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| 09:37.10 | RichiH | petemc: where do i read that out, then? |
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| 09:38.12 | qneo | load-install-cd: cannot unmount /target/cdrom: Invalid aghument |
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| 09:39.11 | petemc | RichiH: tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
| 09:39.11 | daaf | hello i followed debian's way of installing nvidia drivers but when i launch x it says fatal no screens found |
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| 09:40.03 | qneo | can I install Lenny (hope there will be not problem during install), and then switch/update to testing? |
| 09:40.37 | rudi_s | qneo: Sure. Update /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:41.01 | qneo | rudi_s: ok, thanks. I'll try it this way. |
| 09:42.11 | daaf | !nvidia |
| 09:42.11 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 09:47.19 | mikester | Hi, I'm using the 2.6.26-2-amd64 stable kernel and I get kernel panics generated by the nmi watchdog. The strange part is that the watchdog is disabled in "/proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog" and that the NMI line in /proc/interrupts is full of zero (every CPU showes zero). How can I disable the nmi watchdog? |
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| 09:57.13 | daaf | can anyone help me get my nvidia card running? |
| 09:57.28 | daaf | i followed all debian walkthroughs and yet it says fatal: no screens found |
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| 09:59.21 | bolt-work | daaf: are you sure your card is supported by the drivers? they don't support all cards they do on windoze |
| 09:59.32 | bolt-work | daaf: also, does X work for you with the vesa drivers? |
| 09:59.48 | bolt-work | daaf: and have you done any manual changes to xorg.conf that you might want to revert? |
| 09:59.50 | daaf | bolt-work, i have older nvidia card geforce 3 |
| 10:00.01 | daaf | bolt, yes it works with the vesa drivers |
| 10:00.09 | bolt-work | daaf: check the supported list. you probably can't use the nvidia drivers witht hat |
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| 10:00.21 | daaf | bolt-work, where's that list? |
| 10:00.34 | bolt-work | i'd have to google for it. so can you :) |
| 10:00.42 | bolt-work | nvidia linux supported cards, or something |
| 10:00.53 | daaf | and is there any way to adjust the brightness, the monitor is way too dark |
| 10:01.13 | daaf | i know there was nvidia-settings program for adjusting the brightness, but now on vesa i don't know |
| 10:01.20 | Hajuu | daaf: yeah to adjust the brightness type: sudo rm -R / |
| 10:01.29 | Hajuu | it will start the contrast application |
| 10:01.33 | bolt-work | Hajuu: go to hell |
| 10:01.37 | daaf | heh |
| 10:01.48 | Hajuu | :) |
| 10:02.07 | bolt-work | Hajuu: there are noobs in here. someone may actually try that. don't say such things |
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| 10:02.34 | Hajuu | What, you mean you know a better way to adjust monitor brightness? |
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| 10:02.48 | Woland_ | heil |
| 10:02.52 | bolt-work | Hajuu: lighting you on fire might make the monitor brighter |
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| 10:03.52 | Hajuu | Hm no, it would make me less bright- der de derr der derrrrppp! |
| 10:03.55 | dbbolton | Hajuu you forgot the -f flag to improve contrast |
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| 10:04.08 | Hajuu | oh damn |
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| 10:04.13 | Hajuu | <-- noob. |
| 10:04.18 | Haraken | <3 apt-cacher rocks |
| 10:04.19 | drunkmaster | ok |
| 10:04.22 | rudi_s_ | Come on, stop it. This isn't funny. |
| 10:04.30 | Hajuu | kind of is.. |
| 10:04.31 | drunkmaster | i'm using testing and have upgraded libqt to 4.5 |
| 10:04.31 | Hajuu | kind of. |
| 10:04.52 | drunkmaster | and now psi is not working |
| 10:04.55 | drunkmaster | any ideas? |
| 10:05.03 | rudi_s_ | Hajuu: Well if you think it is then run it as root on your machine .. |
| 10:05.06 | bolt-work | daaf: afaik, the only way to increase brightness on the graphics card side is adjusting the gamma, which will make you lose colors |
| 10:05.22 | bolt-work | daaf: you need a new monitor if it's too dark on its brightest setting |
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| 10:06.23 | bolt-work | daaf: a pixel with value 0xFFFFFF will still be 0xFFFFFF no matter what you do. There's no 0xG00000. your monitor is what takes that value and displays it as best it can (or as best you tell it to) |
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| 10:09.02 | Hajuu | lol |
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| 10:10.52 | drunkmaster | does anybody know how to downgrade libqt4-core to 4.4? |
| 10:10.53 | Hajuu | Impossible.. |
| 10:11.03 | drunkmaster | heh |
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| 10:14.49 | RichiH | what do i need to dpkg-reconfigure after debootstrap to set LANG etc? |
| 10:14.54 | RichiH | i keep on forgetting this |
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| 10:15.14 | petemc | locales ? |
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| 10:22.13 | jelly | bolt-work: but there may be RGBA. :-> |
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| 10:22.39 | bolt-work | :) |
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| 10:23.47 | jelly | not that alpha will magically brighten anyones day |
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| 10:40.20 | kryptoz | HI |
| 10:40.57 | kryptoz | How do I find which .deb package a file came from ? (same as `rpm -qf /usr/bin/convert`) |
| 10:40.58 | bolt-work | HELO bolt |
| 10:41.10 | bolt-work | apt-file search for it |
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| 10:41.29 | petemc | kryptoz: dpkg -S |
| 10:41.34 | bolt-work | or that |
| 10:41.35 | themill | dlocate! |
| 10:41.47 | kryptoz | petemc: thanks :) |
| 10:41.56 | petemc | all 3 answers were valid! |
| 10:42.05 | bolt-work | WIN! |
| 10:42.25 | kryptoz | I didnt find an "apt-file" in my lenny install |
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| 10:42.31 | themill | dpkg: tell kryptoz about apt-file |
| 10:42.35 | bolt-work | !installit |
| 10:42.35 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 10:43.59 | kryptoz | themill: for the same purpose if dpkg (which incidentally comes with all debiankind) serves, why apt-file ? |
| 10:44.41 | themill | kryptoz: apt-file is faster than dpkg -S and can also tell you about packages that you don't yet have installed (which is frequently what you are actually wanting to know about) |
| 10:44.46 | bolt-work | apt-file would let you find the source of a file from another machine, for instance |
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| 10:46.06 | kryptoz | but you missed the point with that bot msg. dpkg comes with every debian and it does what I wanted, then why should I go ahead and download and install apt-file and then find what I want. I feel your way was more time consuming.. Please do not try to impose your way to others when someone else already save my problem !!! |
| 10:47.04 | themill | kryptoz: apt-file was the first answer you were given and then you were complaining about it not existing; that's why I asked dpkg to tell you how to install and use it. |
| 10:47.09 | kryptoz | themill: unless (highly unlikely) debian developers suggest use apt-file (apt is depricated IIRC against aptitude) you should not be spamming me with that pvt msg |
| 10:47.46 | themill | *plonk* |
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| 10:48.04 | nkuttler | kryptoz: wtf, you have been given three options, read their friggin manuals and stop complaining about getting help |
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| 10:48.29 | luckylucy | rsync -vaub --super --exclude.... getting chmod permission denied erros. |
| 10:48.45 | kryptoz | nkuttler: appreciate if you keep shut as you have no helpful suggestions to me .. |
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| 10:48.57 | nkuttler | kryptoz: you want a fourth option? |
| 10:48.59 | kryptoz | btw, thanks themil and others for helping out. |
| 10:49.14 | pif | hi, I've got "ii libc6-i386 2.9-14" and yet this package complains: "lib32z1: Depends: libc6-i386 (>= 2.1.3) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 10:49.22 | kryptoz | nkuttler: is english hard for you to understand ? |
| 10:49.26 | pif | how come? |
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| 10:50.03 | bolt-work | kryptoz: stop it |
| 10:50.11 | kryptoz | stopped! |
| 10:50.17 | luckylucy | thx |
| 10:50.28 | themill | pif: can you please pastebin the command that generated that message and the entire output? Also the output of "apt-cache policy" would help |
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| 10:51.22 | luckylucy | updated: rsync -vaub with and without --super causes the issue.. |
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| 10:53.18 | pif | themill: http://pastebin.com/m52f24c66 |
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| 10:56.27 | themill | pif: please try "aptitude install lib32z1" -- aptitude is recommended over apt-get for installing packages and it gives a much more useful output for trying to work out what the problem is. (/msg dpkg why aptitude). Also your pinning is rather err interesting... but that's probably unrelated to this problem but likely to cause headaches for you another time. |
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| 10:57.35 | TPC | is it me, or is something really wrong with debian unstable? |
| 10:57.53 | lostson | well it is called unstable for a reason |
| 10:57.57 | TPC | it seems like the mencoder package and all traces of it ever having been existed has dissapeared |
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| 10:58.15 | themill | TPC: I don't think mencoder has ever been in debian, /msg dpkg dmm |
| 10:58.23 | TPC | oh |
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| 10:58.40 | TPC | thats probably it then I forgot to add debian-multimedia to sources.list on this box |
| 10:58.50 | TPC | but I thought it was in debian too o_O |
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| 11:00.10 | pif | themill: works better, thx. What is strange abount my pinning? |
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| 11:02.01 | themill | pif: having stable, testing and unstable all pinned at the same value is unusual. Having all three in the sources.list at all is quite unusual, in fact. |
| 11:02.59 | pif | I run unstable, yet some packages still have 'stable' dependencies |
| 11:03.10 | luckylucy | rsync -vaub --super --exclude.... getting chmod permission denied erros. |
| 11:03.11 | themill | they shouldn't do |
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| 11:04.19 | petemc | luckylucy: are you copying to fat32? |
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| 11:04.25 | luckylucy | XFS |
| 11:04.32 | luckylucy | so no. |
| 11:04.52 | pif | any wine 1.1.22-1 user here? |
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| 11:05.27 | petemc | luckylucy: well then, do you have permission to chmod files on the destination? |
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| 11:06.26 | Haraken | anyone here use preseed configs before? I'm having an issue with mine, after I get the o/s installed it sets the mirror I used as the main apt repository in apt/sources.list. I don't want it to use that one since it is a local repository. Is there a way to tell it to set the mirror to something else? |
| 11:06.58 | luckylucy | petemc: i am running as root (cron) and i am backing up to a NAS. i can change the permissions from it's side when i login, but that is not root and it won't let me make a root user. i don't know if that is the issue or not. |
| 11:07.15 | luckylucy | it seems that the error occurs on the source side with chmod. |
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| 11:11.47 | JohnQ | Is there a way to say to machine-B "Please install the same packages as are installed on machine-A"? |
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| 11:12.38 | petemc | !tell JohnQ about debian clone |
| 11:12.55 | JohnQ | thanks |
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| 11:18.37 | Hajuu | hey can anyone help me |
| 11:19.32 | azeem_ | !ask |
| 11:19.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:19.39 | Hajuu | I am starting a terminal (xterm) on another display from the console, and I need to find out and record, outside the shell, what tty (pts) its using... |
| 11:19.54 | azeem_ | Hajuu: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 11:20.05 | Hajuu | lol |
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| 11:20.44 | Hajuu | ii libc6 2.9-4 |
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| 11:20.53 | Hajuu | U C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 11:23.22 | azeem_ | nice try |
| 11:23.32 | Hajuu | thanks man |
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| 11:27.35 | nirupama | hi all.I have apacahe2 source from debian.Went into the source and did ./configure --enable-so and make and make install.Now I want to built the deb package out of the source.How to do it |
| 11:28.10 | abrotman | nirupama: what was wrong with the debian packages? |
| 11:28.45 | nirupama | abrotman, no nothing wrong.I needed to add ./configuration --enable-so option to support an application |
| 11:29.08 | nirupama | abrotman, now how to build dep package |
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| 11:31.08 | Fubuntu | I am starting a terminal (xterm) on another display from the console, and I need to find out and record, outside the shell, what tty (pts) its using... |
| 11:31.22 | azeem_ | nirupama: eh, AFAICT, --enable-so is in the Debian package |
| 11:31.39 | azeem_ | Fubuntu: please ask #ubuntu |
| 11:31.50 | nirupama | azeem, so i need not do that |
| 11:31.52 | Fubuntu | Fubuntu: I got banned for being in #debian |
| 11:31.54 | Fubuntu | cant get in. |
| 11:31.59 | azeem | Fubuntu: I don't think so |
| 11:32.09 | Fubuntu | the whole thing with not being able to use both channels is rediculous |
| 11:32.12 | azeem | Fubuntu: if you got banned for other reasons, ask on their web forums |
| 11:32.15 | Fubuntu | ... |
| 11:32.45 | abrotman | nirupama: that's what he's telling you |
| 11:32.45 | Fubuntu | yeah its a pretty ubuntu question |
| 11:32.49 | Fubuntu | pretty much |
| 11:33.13 | nsadmin | you were here a few hours ago... |
| 11:33.22 | Fubuntu | yeah |
| 11:33.29 | Fubuntu | work work work |
| 11:33.32 | nsadmin | different nick, same problem :) |
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| 11:33.40 | Hajuu | I was trying to get into #ubuntu |
| 11:33.47 | Hajuu | cause nobody will answer a simple question |
| 11:33.50 | azeem | Hajuu: discussing #ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 11:33.52 | Hajuu | Its rediculous. |
| 11:33.52 | nirupama | azeem, abrotman what about the php5.I did $ ./configure --with-pgsql --with-gd --with-zlib-dir=/usr/lib |
| 11:33.53 | nirupama | --enable-module=so |
| 11:33.53 | nirupama | --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs |
| 11:33.53 | nirupama | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:33.58 | Hajuu | Its nothing to do with ubuntu |
| 11:34.00 | Hajuu | Nothing. |
| 11:34.04 | Hajuu | Its linux related. |
| 11:34.16 | azeem | nirupama: enabled as well |
| 11:34.16 | bolt-work | then ##linux |
| 11:34.21 | Hajuu | Hell I will probably end up running it on debian |
| 11:34.24 | abrotman | nirupama: why are you compoiling PHP ? |
| 11:34.42 | Hajuu | Im in ##linux, but they seem preoccupied. |
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| 11:34.49 | Hajuu | you could have answered the question 10 times by now |
| 11:34.49 | abrotman | Hajuu: and when you are, come back to ask about Debian |
| 11:35.08 | bolt-work | Hajuu: that's what happens when you ask in the wrong channel |
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| 11:35.30 | Hajuu | yeah my libs have +ubuntu on the end, so it must be entirely different |
| 11:35.39 | Hajuu | my ls is different under ubuntu |
| 11:35.42 | abrotman | Hajuu: please go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 11:36.05 | azeem | Hajuu: discussing what is on or off-topic is off-topic as well |
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| 11:36.12 | azeem | Hajuu: so please either leave or keep quiet |
| 11:36.13 | bolt-work | heh |
| 11:36.18 | azeem | or come back with Debian support questions |
| 11:36.37 | Hajuu | Pretty reasonible and cool policy. |
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| 11:36.54 | nsadmin | if discussing what is on or off topic is off topic, why are you doing it? |
| 11:37.07 | Hajuu | .. I just asked a question about xterm |
| 11:37.08 | bolt-work | necessary evil? |
| 11:37.16 | Hajuu | a one line answer would have sufficed. |
| 11:37.18 | kryptoz | !tell kryptoz about debian clone |
| 11:37.19 | abrotman | could we move on please? |
| 11:37.27 | abrotman | !tell kryptoz about selftell |
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| 11:44.23 | julia22 | Why am I getting this error with apt-get update? http://paste.debian.net/39144/ I tried different servers |
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| 11:45.13 | nsadmin | julia22: please pastebin your sources.list |
| 11:45.19 | nsadmin | in /etc/apt |
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| 11:46.34 | nsadmin | oh, try ftp.us.debian.org instead of ftp.debian.org |
| 11:46.39 | LightKnight | Hi there -- I'm experiencing problems with compose key: I cannot type accented letters anymore in several apps (e.g. firefox, xchat, pidgin...), while I can in xterm. I'm using an US keyboard, setting left Win as Compose key. Does anyone else have this problem as well? |
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| 11:47.13 | nsadmin | julia22 are you in the us? |
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| 11:47.45 | julia22 | julia22: http://paste.debian.net/39145/ |
| 11:47.54 | julia22 | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/39145/ |
| 11:47.57 | julia22 | nsadmin: yes |
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| 11:48.31 | abrotman | julia22: is there a proxy on your network? |
| 11:48.53 | betz | I need to install cpanel on a debian host, is this package cpanel? http://packages.debian.org/etch/secpanel |
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| 11:49.06 | julia22 | abrotman: it isn't active |
| 11:49.33 | mig5 | betz.. no... |
| 11:49.38 | enouf | apt-cache show is your friend betz |
| 11:49.40 | petemc | betz: cpanel isnt free |
| 11:49.43 | mig5 | SecPanel is a graphical user interface for managining and running secure shell (ssh) and secure network copy (scp) connections via OpenSSH |
| 11:49.50 | nsadmin | julia22 so you have an inactive proxy... but can you get out onto the internet otherwise, and browse pages? |
| 11:50.00 | julia22 | nsadmin: yes |
| 11:50.07 | betz | yeah, i know, but it's for work |
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| 11:50.24 | betz | enouf: aha, thanx |
| 11:50.37 | abrotman | julia22: did you configure apt to have a proxy? in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 11:50.39 | petemc | betz: cpanel.net , it wont be in debian due to it being a commercial product] |
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| 11:51.26 | julia22 | abrotman: nsadmin: this is the full output of apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/39146/ |
| 11:51.35 | nsadmin | yeah, ftp.debian.org is a special machine... ftp.us.debian.org is a mirror, try the mirror :) |
| 11:51.51 | julia22 | abrotman: nsadmin: before I just copied the error. sorry for the confusion |
| 11:52.24 | abrotman | julia22: oh .. no deb-src line for security.debian.org IIRC |
| 11:52.51 | enouf | petemc: there are commercial product release/fork FOSS versions of their wares- albeit most times the most desirable features are missing |
| 11:52.54 | abrotman | julia22: and that wouldn't be the right source line even if there were |
| 11:52.58 | julia22 | abrotman: cat: /etc/apt/apt.conf: No such file or directory |
| 11:53.18 | abrotman | julia22: line 10 would be deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 11:53.40 | enouf | erm .. add /some/ somewhere in that last gibberish i blabbed |
| 11:53.54 | abrotman | that's what i get for not actually reading the error :) |
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| 11:54.25 | abrotman | julia22: and you probably should pick a better mirror for your regular source |
| 11:54.26 | abrotman | julia22: like maybe the USC one |
| 11:54.29 | julia22 | abrotman: thank you so much |
| 11:54.37 | julia22 | abrotman: it worked like charm |
| 11:54.51 | abrotman | julia22: see debian.org/mirrors/list to choose another mirror |
| 11:55.07 | julia22 | abrotman: yeah, it's one of the mirrors i tried :) i'll change it now |
| 11:55.07 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.14 | enouf | erm .. add /that/ <-- in there as well :-p |
| 11:55.41 | agaran | hello |
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| 11:56.31 | nsadmin | julia22 so you're all set? |
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| 11:58.27 | julia22 | nsadmin: yes, thank you |
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| 12:02.25 | julia22 | nsadmin: when I use System ¦ Administration ¦ Software Sources to change the default server, the wrong line is added back |
| 12:02.48 | nsadmin | from what program? |
| 12:02.56 | julia22 | nsadmin: I think there's a bug there. |
| 12:03.18 | nsadmin | I would tend to agree, but what mirror did you try to add? |
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| 12:03.22 | julia22 | nsadmin: menu System | Administration | Software Sources in Gnome |
| 12:03.35 | nsadmin | ohh, I can't try it myself |
| 12:03.40 | nsadmin | do me a favor.. |
| 12:03.52 | nsadmin | put the line back the way it's supposed to be |
| 12:04.12 | nsadmin | then, cd /etc/apt ; cp sources.list sources.list.backup |
| 12:04.20 | julia22 | nsadmin: I added the mirror http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/ |
| 12:04.36 | nsadmin | then try adding that mirror using the gnome thing you just showed me |
| 12:04.36 | julia22 | nsadmin: Yeah I fixed it again. |
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| 12:04.56 | julia22 | nsadmin: I just mean that there is a bug there. I'm using Debian lenny |
| 12:05.28 | nsadmin | once you're at that point, you have sources.list.backup that's correct, and sources.list that has a problem (yes?) |
| 12:05.51 | julia22 | When I change the server the line 10 is changed again to http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/ instead of http://security.debian.org/... |
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| 12:06.07 | nsadmin | hmm, I actually should have asked you if you have time |
| 12:06.22 | julia22 | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:06.29 | nsadmin | so I'll do it now: do you have a few minutes? :) |
| 12:06.36 | julia22 | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:06.47 | nsadmin | ok, so did you get to that point? |
| 12:06.47 | abrotman | julia22: uhm .. don't change the security line .. just the ftp.debian.org lines |
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| 12:07.31 | nsadmin | if so... diff -u sources.list.backup sources.list > sources.list.diff |
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| 12:07.36 | julia22 | abrotman: i already fixed it for the second time, but if I choose another server, the wrong will come back |
| 12:07.43 | nsadmin | and show us sources.list.backup and sources.list.diff |
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| 12:07.53 | julia22 | s/the wrong/the wrong line |
| 12:08.09 | julia22 | ok wait |
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| 12:10.29 | julia22 | done again |
| 12:10.52 | nsadmin | ok, cool :) could you pastebin sources.list.backup and sources.list.diff |
| 12:10.58 | julia22 | error http://paste.debian.net/39148/ |
| 12:11.40 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 12:12.07 | julia22 | diff sources.list sources.list.bak http://paste.debian.net/39149/ |
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| 12:13.21 | nsadmin | wow... that pretty much sucks |
| 12:13.37 | julia22 | sources.list.bak http://paste.debian.net/39150/ |
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| 12:14.03 | abrotman | julia22: you're on lenny right? |
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| 12:14.15 | nsadmin | thanks for indulging me; for you for now, you should use a text editor to alter your sources.list; apparantly that gnome thing isn't working right |
| 12:14.33 | julia22 | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:14.35 | retybok | is there a way to lock the gnome panels in lenny? I always find my mom's desktop messed up :-/ |
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| 12:14.59 | julia22 | nsadmin: will you report the bug? |
| 12:15.14 | nsadmin | I'm not sure what to report yet, so no |
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| 12:15.49 | julia22 | where should I report it? |
| 12:15.53 | nsadmin | but if they have the .bak and the later altered file in the report, they would figure out what I can't |
| 12:16.05 | nkuttler | retybok: try a search for gnome kiosk mode |
| 12:16.17 | abrotman | julia22: it's probably already in the BTS |
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| 12:16.29 | nsadmin | you'd run reportbug, but what package name to report against |
| 12:16.30 | julia22 | abrotman: ok. thanks |
| 12:17.04 | retybok | nkuttler: thanks a lot |
| 12:17.33 | nsadmin | that's true, something like that would have been glaring, saying I DO NOT WORK FIX ME PLEZ KTHNX! |
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| 12:18.22 | abrotman | julia22: do you know which package that utility comes from ? |
| 12:20.35 | julia22 | abrotman: no |
| 12:21.01 | nsadmin | but you can run it? might it have an "About" box? |
| 12:21.10 | retybok | The answers to my question are there, for anyone interested: http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.26/system-admin-guide.html#lockdown-0 |
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| 12:21.28 | julia22 | nsadmin: It doesn't |
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| 12:21.56 | nsadmin | could you try menuing to it, and right click on the item before? |
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| 12:22.17 | Arafangion | Given a Makefile, what's the best way to generate a dependency graph? |
| 12:22.35 | Arafangion | (ie, for someone to ooh-and-ahh about in all it's glory) |
| 12:22.48 | nsadmin | or better, right click on the item itself (instead of left clicking) and see if there's properties item, look at that |
| 12:23.03 | nsadmin | see if it runs a specific shell command |
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| 12:23.53 | julia22 | nsadmin: /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk |
| 12:24.03 | julia22 | nsadmin: I found it editing the menu |
| 12:24.38 | nsadmin | !find bin/software-properties-gtk |
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| 12:24.51 | julia22 | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=software-properties-gtk&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 12:25.34 | julia22 | it's called software-properties-gtk |
| 12:25.39 | nsadmin | the bot is having a slower day |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525409 |
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| 12:25.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/software-properties-gtk' (1): (/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk) in admin/software-properties-gtk. |
| 12:26.13 | abrotman | should probably be retitled |
| 12:27.15 | julia22 | abrotman: yes |
| 12:27.28 | nsadmin | judd versions |
| 12:27.28 | judd | nsadmin: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 12:27.37 | nsadmin | judd versions software-properties-gtk |
| 12:27.37 | judd | nsadmin: software-properties-gtk -- lenny: 0.60.debian-1.1 sid: 0.60.debian-1.1 squeeze: 0.60.debian-1.1 experimental: 0.70.debian-1 |
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| 12:46.17 | gasull | Hi. Does anybody know if the directions are true?: http://bit.ly/FCymJ (at the very end of the post). I'm trying to follow them to grab getlibs from this repository: https://launchpad.net/~intuitivenipple/+archive/ppa But I get an error. How do you use a repo for just one package? |
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| 12:47.08 | JohnQ | I'm having some package problems... can anyone give me a hand? : http://paste.debian.net/39154 |
| 12:48.23 | nsadmin | probably you're mixing debian versions |
| 12:48.32 | gasull | JohnQ: what are you trying to install? |
| 12:49.08 | JohnQ | Not trying to install anything, really... just following the "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade" portion from the instructions on how to clone. |
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| 12:50.17 | nsadmin | JohnQ could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:50.20 | gasull | JohnQ: Are you cloning from a later version, or from Ubuntu to Debian lenny? |
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| 12:51.14 | JohnQ | sources: http://paste.debian.net/39155 |
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| 12:51.28 | JohnQ | Im trying to clone to (and from) a knoppmyth install. |
| 12:51.38 | gasull | Does anybody know here how to use a repo for just some packages? |
| 12:51.39 | Hajuu | Impossible.. |
| 12:52.16 | gasull | Hajuu: Are you answering to me? |
| 12:52.19 | nsadmin | gasull: you mean you want to create a repo? |
| 12:52.22 | rudi_s | Hajuu: Can you stop this please? |
| 12:52.54 | nsadmin | look into dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources |
| 12:52.58 | gasull | nsadmin: No, I mean that I want to grab just getlibs from here: https://launchpad.net/~intuitivenipple/+archive/ppa |
| 12:53.38 | gasull | nsadmin: I don't want other packages b/c they can mess up my system |
| 12:53.39 | nsadmin | you could certainly wget any file that's otherwise automatically grabbed by apt-get |
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| 12:54.06 | abrotman | gasull: what are you trying to install ? |
| 12:54.18 | gasull | nsadmin: Sure. I just wondered if the package can be added to the repo somehow |
| 12:54.18 | abrotman | gasull: those are not Debian packages |
| 12:54.21 | nsadmin | does it want to install other things when you apt=get install getlibs? |
| 12:54.33 | gasull | s/repo/sources.list |
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| 12:54.48 | nsadmin | not sure how it can be added by itself... |
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| 12:54.54 | abrotman | gasull: if you want to use Ubuntu, just use it .. stop trying to use Ubuntu packages on Debian |
| 12:54.56 | gasull | nsadmin: I didn't try but it will |
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| 12:55.24 | nsadmin | the canonical way is probably wget the .deb of it, then use dpkg to install it |
| 12:55.26 | gasull | abrotman: getlibs isn't anywhere in the Debian repos |
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| 12:55.43 | abrotman | gasull: why would you switch from ubuntu if you just want to use all their packages anyways? |
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| 12:56.13 | abrotman | and why would you install amd64 if uyou just want to run 32bit programs? |
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| 12:56.58 | Dracie | more memory |
| 12:57.00 | gasull | abrotman: I want to install TweetDeck, and I need Adobe Air for it, and I need getlibs for Adobe Air. |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | Dracie: not true |
| 12:57.13 | abrotman | gasull: why didn't you install the 32bit version of Debian? |
| 12:57.14 | Dracie | without a custom kernel :P |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | Dracie: still not true |
| 12:57.24 | Dracie | hm |
| 12:57.25 | gasull | abrotman: speed |
| 12:57.26 | Dracie | which kernel? |
| 12:57.42 | Dracie | I got pwned :P |
| 12:57.45 | abrotman | gasull: that's not true .. you've gained about .41321% and you're going to end up wasting days fo your time |
| 12:57.46 | gasull | abrotman: Adobe Air isn't available in 64 bits |
| 12:57.49 | abrotman | Dracie: -bigmem |
| 12:57.55 | Dracie | ok thx |
| 12:58.10 | abrotman | Dracie: the -bigmem 32bit kernels support up to 64GB RAM |
| 12:58.20 | Dracie | hehe, thats more than enough |
| 12:58.20 | nsadmin | what does adobe air do? |
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| 12:58.34 | abrotman | Dracie: even the normal ones go up to 3.3GB or so |
| 12:58.36 | Dracie | its a platform for cross-system software |
| 12:58.42 | gasull | abrotman: Just installed Debian 64bits after having Ubuntu 32bits. The difference is impressive |
| 12:58.48 | abrotman | only -486 doesn't support nearly that much |
| 12:58.55 | avu | nsadmin, flash apps for the desktop (instead of for the browser) |
| 12:59.00 | Arafangion | gasull: How so? |
| 12:59.01 | abrotman | gasull: have you considered that it's just debian vs ubuntu and not 32 vs 64 ? |
| 12:59.05 | Dracie | abrotman: I have 4 GB so I am in 64 bit for the sake of performance |
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| 12:59.12 | gasull | abrotman: maybe |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | Dracie: really not going to matter for a desktop |
| 12:59.39 | Arafangion | gasull: 64-bit apps should be /slower/, unless they really do use alot more addresses. |
| 12:59.58 | abrotman | isn't it great to have both your 64bit cores sitting idle .. doing nothing faster? |
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| 13:00.15 | agaran | Arafangion: or they require 64bit instructions.. |
| 13:00.18 | bolt-work | i LOVE my bogomips :P |
| 13:00.27 | agaran | using prefixes to get 64bit opcodes is slower.. |
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| 13:00.30 | diclev | Hello, people. I have installed Java Virtual Machine from *.sh file (that is not from the package), but there is no "javac" file. This file is in, for example, 'kaffe' package. If i install 'kaffe', JVM on my computer will be 'kaffe', or old sun-jdk? |
| 13:00.39 | gasull | abrotman: LOL. I guess I will install folding@home |
| 13:00.40 | abrotman | it's pretty rare that a 64bit app will run noticably faster |
| 13:00.49 | Arafangion | agaran: And why would they require 64-bit instructions? :) |
| 13:00.56 | agaran | Arafangion: big math? |
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| 13:01.04 | abrotman | gasull: at lesat that makes sense .. the 32bit client doesn't do threading |
| 13:01.17 | blast_hardcheese | Is there some functionality in the kernel to list devices with no kernel modules associated with them? |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: lspci -k |
| 13:01.28 | agaran | Arafangion: matrices multiplication? color calculation? DFT? whatever, i use things that would be happy with 64bit opcodes... |
| 13:01.29 | Dracie | I remember the Archlinux 64bit hoax, I wasn't amused :P |
| 13:01.35 | agaran | Arafangion: but unfortunatelly |
| 13:01.37 | gasull | abrotman: anyway, getlibs is in 64bits in the PPA |
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| 13:01.49 | agaran | my pc has 32bit, alpha has 64.. so it does better.. |
| 13:02.03 | Arafangion | agaran: Any reason why you're not putting that into the 'uses 64-bit addresses'? ;) |
| 13:02.11 | abrotman | gasull: and what? any sane person wouldn't recommend that you keep installing ubuntu packages on debian |
| 13:02.12 | Arafangion | agaran: But point taken. :) |
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| 13:02.42 | abrotman | and why did you change nicks? |
| 13:02.57 | Arafangion | agaran: If I had a 64-bit system, I would /still/ use a 32-bit OS. |
| 13:02.57 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: That lists devices and drivers associated with it, not devices that don't have drivers |
| 13:02.58 | gasull | there isn't any ubuntu packages in my system right now |
| 13:03.02 | agaran | AfterDeath: 64bit addressing isnt that important all time (imo), unless you have more than PAE can address and need many memory all time.. |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | gasull: where'd you get swiftfox from? |
| 13:03.10 | agaran | Arafangion: ^^ |
| 13:03.12 | gasull | abrotman: julia22 is my gf |
| 13:03.24 | Arafangion | agaran: How much RAM do you have? |
| 13:03.29 | Dracie | agaran: nice tab completion =P |
| 13:03.33 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: one would think that if there isn't a driver .. it would note it? |
| 13:03.56 | gasull | abrotman: she is the one using irc most of the time |
| 13:03.59 | abrotman | gasull: if you want to do this .. that's fine, but if it blows up, no one is going to feel bad |
| 13:04.19 | abrotman | it'd really be better/easier to just install 32bit Debian if you're going to require tons of 32bit binary apps |
| 13:04.38 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Well, the device isn't seen by lspci normally either; There's a serial touchscreen in this tablet, I'm trying to write the driver for it. I am having a hard time finding the device in the system, having a fallthrough catch or something while the kernel is enumerating devices would be very helpful |
| 13:04.39 | agaran | Dracie: :/ not nice |
| 13:04.45 | JohnQ | I think :( I think I am in apt-hell |
| 13:04.55 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: sorry .. my mistake .. i just assumed pci |
| 13:05.03 | blast_hardcheese | No worries |
| 13:05.05 | agaran | Arafangion: on pc? less than 1G, on alpha i have no choice, it can be only 64bit all time, on opteron 8G, two single core cpus.. |
| 13:05.07 | Dracie | Well *In a matter in fact* I am going to be running a 100% free software system once I get a case :P |
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| 13:05.27 | Hajuu | make one out of a cardboard box |
| 13:05.30 | Hajuu | has before |
| 13:05.34 | Arafangion | agaran: You don't even need PAE for *that*! |
| 13:05.34 | blast_hardcheese | has as well |
| 13:05.40 | Dracie | agaran: I know - I do tab fails all the time |
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| 13:05.56 | JohnQ | Does any of this mean anything to anyone? : http://paste.debian.net/39156 |
| 13:06.02 | agaran | Arafangion: i know, but pae is slower than direct 64bit if you need to change often huge mem |
| 13:06.11 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: you're probably going to want #kernelnewbies on OFTC .. you probably are going to have to muck with serial tools .. and the kernel probably already found the "device" as /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1 .. |
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| 13:06.44 | abrotman | JohnQ: you're running unstable ? |
| 13:06.55 | JohnQ | I dont think so... |
| 13:07.02 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Alas, it hasn't; I get no activity on any of the serial nodes when I scribble on the screen |
| 13:07.07 | blast_hardcheese | I'll go check out that channel though |
| 13:07.08 | abrotman | JohnQ: what does `uname -a` say ? |
| 13:07.10 | blast_hardcheese | thanks for the tip |
| 13:07.18 | gasull | abrotman: Somehow I'm experimenting. Are the directions here true for installing just one package from a repo? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-list/2004-January/msg00460.html They didn't work for me |
| 13:07.24 | JohnQ | Linux clank 2.6.23-chw-4 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 26 14:44:56 PDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:07.24 | agaran | Arafangion: but question was why have 64bit system, i just wanted to tell that sometimes larger integer values without prefixing opcodes are usefull |
| 13:07.36 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: did you google "serial driver howto" ? |
| 13:08.03 | agaran | Arafangion: otherwise you need to add all time long addressing prefixes that causes binary be similarly sized as normal 64bit code (if not larger), but slower due to more cycles needed to load that prefixed instructions.. |
| 13:08.03 | abrotman | gasull: uhm, that might work for things that are in backports.org .. which is probably not setup the same as the ubuntu stuff |
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| 13:08.10 | Arafangion | agaran: Do any of your applications need more than several GB on their own? |
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| 13:08.18 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: not that string exactly, but I have read through many drivers and looked at existing serial drivers. |
| 13:08.22 | gasull | abrotman: I see |
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| 13:08.26 | blast_hardcheese | *serial touchscreen drivers |
| 13:08.32 | Arafangion | agaran: Or do you regularly mmap multi-GB files? |
| 13:08.48 | abrotman | gasull: it depends how the repo is setup .. |
| 13:08.51 | davyg | Does someone has trouble with wine and ia32 under sid 64bit? |
| 13:09.02 | agaran | Arafangion: hmm, both happens, hopefully not often |
| 13:09.12 | JohnQ | Am I screwed? |
| 13:09.31 | gasull | abrotman: I guess I will just grab the .deb and install it. Thanks. |
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| 13:10.29 | Crypticfortune | ok, I'm trying to track down why it is that my boxes start to slow down (load average steadily increases) with time...for some reason "init" seems to be taking an inordinate amount of time on these boxes. any way to figure out what's keeping init busy? |
| 13:10.40 | luckylucy | so i tried to re-mount my nas vi cifs, using a username on the nas tha matched my username on my linux box, made a folder and now it says the owner group is 100 101 which is not my user. however my user is 1000 1001, so i am very confused now.... |
| 13:10.56 | scollins | Good morning everyone. I have a kernel panic on a Dell PowerEdge 1950, who would I submit it to? |
| 13:11.00 | scollins | http://pastebin.com/m62a690bb |
| 13:11.00 | abrotman | JohnQ: what is your sources.list pointing at ? |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | scollins: might look for a BIOS update first |
| 13:11.25 | JohnQ | sources: http://paste.debian.net/39155 |
| 13:11.36 | abrotman | scollins: are you actually using qemu ? |
| 13:11.56 | scollins | yeah, windows guests |
| 13:12.04 | abrotman | JohnQ: yes, that's unstable .. bugs.debian.org/dpkg might have some help for you |
| 13:12.28 | scollins | I have them using ioemu directives for the vbd's |
| 13:12.47 | scollins | The panics occur under heavy IO load on Dom0 |
| 13:12.52 | JohnQ | Is it possible/easy to switch to stable? |
| 13:13.03 | scollins | I take a snapshot of the guest using LVM and then DD it |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | JohnQ: this is a VPS ? |
| 13:13.22 | JohnQ | I dont know what that is... so .. probably not |
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| 13:13.38 | abrotman | is it your server or hosted somewhere? |
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| 13:13.44 | JohnQ | its mine |
| 13:13.48 | abrotman | and no, not easy to swtich to stable |
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| 13:13.54 | abrotman | so it's physically next to you? |
| 13:13.59 | JohnQ | indeed |
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| 13:14.45 | abrotman | if you wanted to run 'stable' you'd need to reinstall .. which i doubt you want to do |
| 13:14.54 | JohnQ | Yeah, that'd be bad |
| 13:15.06 | abrotman | so is running unstable :) |
| 13:15.27 | Hajuu | just do this |
| 13:15.34 | Hajuu | rm -f -R / |
| 13:15.35 | JohnQ | If I knew... :-) |
| 13:15.40 | Hajuu | problem solved. |
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| 13:17.18 | abrotman | Hajuu: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving malicious 'advice' |
| 13:17.30 | JohnQ | heh |
| 13:17.39 | Phil4 | hi all, I have just bought 2 6 port PCI serial cards for a Debian box and have found the following instructions: http://www.sput.nl/software/nmos9845cv.html |
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| 13:18.13 | Phil4 | does anyone happen to know what the default debian kernel CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_NR_UARTS is set to and how one would change CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RUNTIME_UARTS at runtime? |
| 13:18.17 | JohnQ | Is there any way to back out of this mess and rewind back to the state I was in a hour ago? Feh |
| 13:18.32 | abrotman | Phil4: do you have debian installed ? |
| 13:18.37 | Phil4 | yes, abrotman |
| 13:18.41 | Dracie | at least that advice wasn't given on #ubuntu, they would of had a fit |
| 13:19.01 | abrotman | Phil4: grep 8250 /boot/config-$(uname -a) |
| 13:19.05 | Phil4 | /dev/ is showing ttyS0 to ttyS3 |
| 13:19.20 | liable | still a bit militant.. |
| 13:19.22 | Crypticfortune | JohnQ: you can try to force a downgrade by playing with the pinning priorities (eg "Pin: release a=stable" "Pin-Priority: 1100" or some such), but no guarantees that your system might not explode |
| 13:20.05 | abrotman | liable: does everyone know he was joking? |
| 13:20.21 | Phil4 | abrotman: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1853&key=849a8743a6c82 |
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| 13:20.26 | JohnQ | Im already afraid to reboot this thing. |
| 13:20.38 | Phil4 | I increase the CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_RUNTIME_UARTS variable? |
| 13:20.52 | abrotman | Phil4: i think the instructions you're looking at are pretty old |
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| 13:21.15 | Phil4 | what do you suggest I do, abrotman? |
| 13:21.26 | Phil4 | the system now has 13 serial ports |
| 13:21.27 | abrotman | Phil4: but it does tell you that it's set to 32 .. is that a problem ? |
| 13:21.47 | abrotman | Phil4: uhm .. you plugged in 2x6 serial .. how many did you want to have ? |
| 13:21.48 | Phil4 | shouldn't be, I'll try it - thanks |
| 13:22.03 | Phil4 | I need 12 ports |
| 13:22.10 | Phil4 | there's 2x6 on PCI and 1 on the mobo |
| 13:22.18 | abrotman | so that's 13 |
| 13:22.19 | themill | judd kconfig SERIAL_8250 |
| 13:22.21 | judd | themill: Searching for 'SERIAL_8250' in lenny kernel config gives SERIAL_8250=y SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y SERIAL_8250_PCI=y SERIAL_8250_PNP=y SERIAL_8250_CS=m SERIAL_8250_NR_UARTS=32 SERIAL_8250_RUNTIME_UARTS=4 SERIAL_8250_EXTENDED=y SERIAL_8250_MANY_PORTS=y SERIAL_8250_FOURPORT=m SERIAL_8250_ACCENT=m SERIAL_8250_BOCA=m SERIAL_8250_EXAR_ST16C554=m SERIAL_8250_HUB6=m SERIAL_8250_SHARE_IRQ=y (1 more message) |
| 13:22.24 | Phil4 | indeed |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | but you only wanted 12? |
| 13:22.41 | abrotman | go into your system bios and disable the onboard serial |
| 13:22.45 | Name1ess | ^ |
| 13:22.51 | Phil4 | ok |
| 13:22.55 | Dracie | My friend gets this issue when he tried to use cacaview: cacaview: unable to initialise libcaca -- I can use the program just fine, could this be a ld issue? |
| 13:22.58 | JohnQ | WHY did I try to upgrade my myth machine? every time I even try, the sky falls. |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | why are you running unstable ... |
| 13:23.20 | JohnQ | I wish I knew. |
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| 13:23.33 | Phil4 | Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to include the number of UARTS with '8250.nr_uarts='. EG; <-- does that still apply? |
| 13:23.47 | Phil4 | it's not a serious box, abrotman |
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| 13:23.53 | bob__ | hi - im trying to replace llio with grub, but when i do grub-install /dev/sda, it says this: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly - any ideas? |
| 13:24.10 | Phil4 | and I'm running testing, not unstable |
| 13:24.13 | Dracie | I think its easier to uninstall lilo first |
| 13:24.28 | bob__ | Dracie: ok, will try thanks |
| 13:24.31 | abrotman | Phil4: i didn't mean you :) |
| 13:24.38 | Phil4 | oh, sorry |
| 13:24.42 | Dracie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.43 | JohnQ | Im the dope running unstable |
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| 13:25.02 | abrotman | Hajuu: please don't do that again, even as a joke |
| 13:25.20 | Crypticfortune | Dracie: i think i'd want to have grub ready to go before i remove lilo =P |
| 13:26.00 | JohnQ | So.. what can I do at this point to get this machine to the least-borked state without loss? |
| 13:26.25 | Dracie | Crypticfortune: yes, he seems to know what he is doing |
| 13:26.39 | Dracie | BTW I am so cool I use lilo on my regular x86_64 desktop :P |
| 13:26.53 | Haraken | has any tried doing netboot/netinstall with debian testing? it seems to only want to install lenny instead of squeeze. I have downloaded the vmlinuz and initrd.gz for squeeze and set it up in pxeboot, but it still still lenny. any suggestions? |
| 13:27.17 | Haraken | s/still still/still installs/ |
| 13:27.21 | bob__ | ive removed lilo, and instlaled grub again, but grub-install is still complaining that /boot/grub/stage1 is not read correclty (doesn't exist ) |
| 13:27.24 | Dracie | I thought you always install stable then install testing |
| 13:27.28 | patrikf | Haraken: you usually install lenny and then upgrade. |
| 13:28.05 | Haraken | patrikf, there is no way to install directly? |
| 13:28.07 | luckylucy | i am the owner of the folder, yet do not have permission to change the owner....that seems wrong. what would cause this, or is it normal? |
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| 13:28.14 | Haraken | although, upgrading wouldn't be a problem either |
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| 13:28.40 | Dracie | bob__: you forgot to install stage one silly me |
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| 13:28.57 | Crypticfortune | bob__: sounds like grub didn't get correctly installed if that file doesn't exist.... aptitude reinstall grub? |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | luckylucy: be root |
| 13:29.24 | Dracie | Crypticfortune: he doesn't have stage 1 grub installed |
| 13:29.39 | Dracie | grub-install (hd0) gotta do a command like that |
| 13:29.56 | bob__ | ah, ive just looked again, and stage1 does exist. prehaps it was there before, or it might have appeared while i was bashing the keyboard |
| 13:30.08 | Dracie | hmm |
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| 13:30.18 | Dracie | does stage 2 install now? |
| 13:30.29 | bob__ | there is a stage2 |
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| 13:30.52 | bob__ | I should say that i'm on a livecd, chrooted into my debian partition |
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| 13:31.39 | Crypticfortune | ok, time has passed, i'll ask again (sorry): I'm trying to track down why it is that my boxes start to slow down (load average steadily increases) with time...for some reason "init" seems to be taking an inordinate amount of time on these boxes. any ideas/ways to figure out what's keeping init busy? |
| 13:31.45 | Dracie | hmm off to my last day of school bob__ http://www.varesano.net/blog/fabio/converting+boot+loader+lilo+grub if it helps any |
| 13:31.58 | bob__ | thanks, i'll gander |
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| 13:32.28 | JohnQ | this is so frustrating. I'm just going to reboot the damn thing and see if it still works. If it does, then I'm just never going to run "apt-ANYTHING" every again. |
| 13:32.34 | JohnQ | s/every/ever/ |
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| 13:33.30 | JohnQ | pray for mojo. |
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| 13:34.17 | Crypticfortune | bob__: ooh. is it possible then that /boot is currently mounted from a different device than it usually would be when booting from disk (rather than livecd), and that's confusing the grub install scripts? |
| 13:34.32 | JohnQ | crap |
| 13:34.36 | JohnQ | its toast. |
| 13:34.41 | JohnQ | crap crap crap |
| 13:34.52 | Hajuu | cry me a river |
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| 13:34.54 | bob__ | Crypticfortune: /boot is on the root partition |
| 13:35.38 | Crypticfortune | bob__: on what kind of filesystem/device? |
| 13:35.53 | bob__ | its ext3 on an LVM |
| 13:36.15 | Crypticfortune | bob__: if it's in an LVM you can't use grub from it :( |
| 13:36.22 | bob__ | ah, that'll be why.... |
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| 13:36.27 | luckylucy | abrotman: doesn't make a difference. i think this mounted nas is locked down. |
| 13:36.40 | luckylucy | trying to find a way around it. |
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| 13:37.05 | bob__ | is it possible to resize an LVM partition so that I can have a small grub partition at the end? |
| 13:37.24 | Hajuu | huh |
| 13:37.26 | Hajuu | oh |
| 13:37.28 | wooj | So uh... is this thing about Debian including Mono in the default install true? |
| 13:37.28 | nsadmin | bob__: are you trying to shrink it? |
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| 13:37.42 | Crypticfortune | bob__: resize the LV, sure. resize the filesystem inside, not likely (depends on the filesystem, but very few support shrinking =P |
| 13:37.49 | bob__ | nsadmin: yes, but the actual physical partition, not the LV |
| 13:38.17 | nsadmin | dunno, ask on #lvm |
| 13:38.28 | bob__ | oh, thanks - didn't know that channel existed |
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| 13:39.37 | Crypticfortune | bob__: ah, i see what you mean now. you can use pvresize to resize the partition the PV is on. you'll need free space in the VG though |
| 13:40.17 | Crypticfortune | bob__: (er rather pvresize will resize the pv, afterwhich you can resize the partition to match. it's kinda scary operation though. screw it up and things blow up =p |
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| 13:40.58 | nsadmin | you can run pvscan to see your pvs |
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| 13:41.48 | Crypticfortune | nsadmin: i think you mean "run pvs to see your pvs" (pvscan actually scans attached disks) |
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| 13:44.31 | bob__ | Crypticfortune: thanks. any idea how to resize the partition afterwards |
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| 13:44.56 | Crypticfortune | bob__: gparted? fdisk? parted? whatever |
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| 13:45.18 | mikester | is there an updated HOWTO on debian kernel compiling? |
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| 13:45.49 | Phil4 | thanks, abrotman - works like a charm |
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| 13:46.18 | Phil4 | not quite sure how it mapped physical ports to devices so randomly but I'm not too bothered |
| 13:46.19 | Phil4 | :) |
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| 13:48.07 | bob__ | Crypticfortune: hi - sorry, accidentily left the channel |
| 13:48.27 | Crypticfortune | bob__: gparted? fdisk? parted? whatever |
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| 13:48.42 | kmindi | is there a way to let ifconfig report the correct tx and rx values? (32bit integer overflow at around 4gbyte, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=278439 |
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| 13:52.05 | OpenTokix | kmindi: it does now |
| 13:52.12 | OpenTokix | kmindi: just checked on one of my machines |
| 13:52.15 | OpenTokix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.23 | kmindi | (lol) hmm |
| 13:52.31 | OpenTokix | Quit more then 4G =) |
| 13:52.56 | OpenTokix | Quite |
| 13:53.13 | kmindi | net-tools 1.60 |
| 13:53.13 | kmindi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:53.23 | OpenTokix | oki =) |
| 13:53.24 | kmindi | I am using debian 5.0.1 |
| 13:53.28 | OpenTokix | yes, me to |
| 13:53.33 | Crypticfortune | OpenTokix: umm wow. how long did that take to accumulate? =P |
| 13:53.46 | OpenTokix | Crypticfortune: 277 days |
| 13:53.54 | OpenTokix | up 277 days, 22:57 |
| 13:54.07 | kmindi | ok how can i get the correct values? |
| 13:54.17 | OpenTokix | kmindi: are you running a 32 bit kernel? |
| 13:54.17 | kmindi | or what do I have to do? |
| 13:54.19 | OpenTokix | btw |
| 13:54.22 | kmindi | yes |
| 13:54.23 | Crypticfortune | OpenTokix: ah, that'd do it. still impressive though ;) |
| 13:54.30 | OpenTokix | kmindi: im running amd64 |
| 13:54.34 | sixx | anyone know howto get madwifi-ng driver with apt ? |
| 13:54.45 | OpenTokix | Crypticfortune: yes, 2500 requests per second prime time |
| 13:55.04 | OpenTokix | Crypticfortune: That is one of four webservers, last night I passed 10k/sec for a while to all four |
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| 13:55.30 | kmindi | Is it realy a problem with the kernel? |
| 13:55.43 | OpenTokix | kmindi: yes, you dont have any more then 32 bit counters availible |
| 13:55.44 | module000 | sixx: is madwifi-ng in the repos? ie... apt-cache search madwifi |
| 13:55.59 | kmindi | hmm |
| 13:56.20 | OpenTokix | kmindi: why does it matter, anyway ? |
| 13:56.26 | module000 | kmindi: check if there is a kernel patch for it yet? |
| 13:56.59 | kmindi | It does not give me the correct values. thats the matter |
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| 13:57.07 | kmindi | how can I check that? |
| 13:57.07 | sixx | k ill check Module000 |
| 13:57.22 | Crypticfortune | kmindi: they're probably correct, just only accurate to 32bits =p |
| 13:57.24 | OpenTokix | kmindi: yes, but what do you need to values for? - Maybe there is some other solution for you? |
| 13:57.37 | kmindi | Crypticfortune: yes sure ^^ |
| 13:57.50 | Crypticfortune | do iptables counters use more than 32bits on 32bit kernels i wonder? |
| 13:58.11 | kmindi | Crypticfortune: think they do |
| 13:58.31 | Crypticfortune | kmindi: then maybe counting ip packets would work for you? |
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| 13:59.03 | kmindi | I think it should. But the problem with ifconfig still exists |
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| 13:59.39 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I would like to know if I can use that kind of syntax in my /etc/hosts.allow file : portmap x.y.z.w/27, x.y.z.a/28, x.y.z.b/28 ? |
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| 14:00.11 | nsadmin | man 5 hosts_access |
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| 14:00.31 | brad | hi, does this look right? "ifconfig eth0:0 78.47.89.98 broadcast 78.47.89.255 netmask 255.255.255.0" -- it seems I can't ping anything in the 78.*.*.* range after that is done |
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| 14:01.23 | nsadmin | why you runnign ifconfig and route explicitly? that's what /etc/network/interfaces is for |
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| 14:01.30 | henry-nicolas | nsadmin: thanks |
| 14:01.49 | abrotman | gasull: I'd prefer if you talked in here |
| 14:01.49 | brad | nsadmin: just want to get it working first, then I'll use that file |
| 14:02.04 | gasull | I managed to install getlibs from Ubuntu using apt pinning http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 14:02.09 | gasull | abrotman: ok |
| 14:02.10 | unow | I chose expert install when installing debian. How do I disable the extra verbosity on startup? |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | gasull: best of luck |
| 14:02.31 | gasull | thanks |
| 14:02.31 | brad | nsadmin: its also a remote server, so dont want to lose access :) |
| 14:03.21 | gasull | abrotman: I think you asked for Swiftfox. You can get it from its Debian repos: http://getswiftfox.com/deb.htm |
| 14:03.52 | abrotman | gasull: i didn't, julia did |
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| 14:04.42 | IamSOG | swiftfox ? |
| 14:04.49 | abrotman | ask google |
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| 14:05.20 | IamSOG | :o |
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| 14:06.24 | sixxx | anyone tell me howto update nm-applet 0.6.6 to latest i need supprt for mobile broadband ? |
| 14:06.38 | sixxx | 0.6.6 doe |
| 14:06.42 | sixxx | doesnt support it |
| 14:07.27 | LightKnight | Hi -- does anybody know how to fetch back an older version of xkb-data? snapshot.d.o. seems devoid of it. |
| 14:07.28 | Hajuu | Impossible.. |
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| 14:07.53 | rudi_s | Hajuu: Stop it. |
| 14:07.59 | LightKnight | (snapshot.d.net, even) |
| 14:08.04 | nsadmin | is this guy our resident ubuntu troll? |
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| 14:08.28 | sixxx | who me ? |
| 14:08.34 | gasull | nsadmin: It might be a bot |
| 14:08.39 | nsadmin | no |
| 14:08.54 | nkuttler | he's been at it for hours |
| 14:09.03 | adb | days .. |
| 14:09.10 | gasull | sixx: nsadmin means Hajuu |
| 14:09.12 | sixxx | does anyone know how to update nm-applet ? |
| 14:09.12 | Hajuu | Impossible.. |
| 14:09.19 | sixxx | k gasull |
| 14:09.23 | nsadmin | yes, and it's kinda stressfuland annoying |
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| 14:09.47 | Hajuu | huh stop what |
| 14:09.59 | themill | Hajuu: is there any chance you could improve your signal/noise ratio? It would be greatly appreciated by all. |
| 14:10.04 | nkuttler | LightKnight: the snapshot site has docs |
| 14:10.18 | nkuttler | LightKnight: oh, nm |
| 14:10.20 | Hajuu | im not even talking |
| 14:10.21 | Hajuu | :/ |
| 14:10.46 | unow | how do I update from stable to testing? |
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| 14:10.54 | Name1ess | [09:07] <Hajuu> Impossible.. <- Hajuu: be helpful, or STFU |
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| 14:11.03 | Hajuu | what the hell |
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| 14:11.05 | Bruce_Lee | Hello Everyone |
| 14:11.06 | nkuttler | unow: why do you want to do that? |
| 14:11.07 | Hajuu | I wasnt even here |
| 14:11.10 | Hajuu | I saw my hilight go off |
| 14:11.13 | Hajuu | on 'hajuu' |
| 14:11.20 | Bruce_Lee | I'm Bruce |
| 14:11.23 | Name1ess | you have a script then? |
| 14:11.31 | Name1ess | because your client is being a troll |
| 14:11.34 | Hajuu | checking |
| 14:11.36 | Hajuu | :/ |
| 14:11.36 | rudi_s | !testing |
| 14:11.37 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. Ask me about <testing faq><lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><apt-listchanges><bts>. |
| 14:11.40 | nkuttler | don't feed the trolls |
| 14:11.53 | Name1ess | nkuttler: 'k |
| 14:12.00 | Hajuu | lmao |
| 14:12.02 | Hajuu | um |
| 14:12.03 | Hajuu | wtf |
| 14:12.06 | unow | thanks rudi_s |
| 14:12.06 | Hajuu | on *:TEXT:* know* how to*:*:/msg $chan Impossible.. |
| 14:12.11 | Hajuu | ... |
| 14:12.13 | rudi_s | np |
| 14:12.14 | Name1ess | ... |
| 14:12.21 | midnight_sun | Does Iceweacel need some security update? Since Firefox just released another pack of security fixes? |
| 14:12.23 | Hajuu | hahahahahah |
| 14:12.25 | Hajuu | thats kind of funny |
| 14:12.27 | Hajuu | but not really |
| 14:12.31 | Name1ess | ^ |
| 14:12.34 | Hajuu | I didnt make it |
| 14:12.39 | Name1ess | thx for disabling :P |
| 14:12.43 | Hajuu | it must have been one of my tech-aware workmates |
| 14:12.44 | Hajuu | lol |
| 14:13.02 | nsadmin | Hajuu: on some channels, you're responsible for everything your client does... so read any script you migth be running, whether you read it or not you are responsible for what it does |
| 14:13.03 | Hajuu | heh pretty funny though just answers impossible to all questions |
| 14:13.05 | Hajuu | :D |
| 14:13.08 | nkuttler | midnight_sun: they will be included sooner or later |
| 14:13.17 | Hajuu | nsadmin: I am responsible for bringing teh funniez |
| 14:13.20 | Hajuu | :P |
| 14:13.44 | themill | Hajuu: please don't feel that you have to take that responsibility on. Feel free to leave it to other people. |
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| 14:13.59 | Hajuu | hahah well like I said I didnt have any idea |
| 14:14.07 | Hajuu | I still find it amusing |
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| 14:16.09 | midnight_sun | nkuttler: hmmmm thanks |
| 14:17.12 | Bruce_Lee | is anyone know how to compile squid |
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| 14:18.49 | jelly | Bruce_Lee: is there anything wrong with the build in the distro? |
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| 14:19.30 | Bruce_Lee | I mean how to alter the c files |
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| 14:20.44 | Bruce_Lee | I have solve the problem |
| 14:20.54 | Bruce_Lee | thanks |
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| 14:33.24 | GEOMAG | ïðèâåò âñåì |
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| 14:34.28 | Crypticfortune | ok, time has passed, i'll ask again (sorry): I'm trying to track down why it is that my boxes start to slow down (load average steadily increases) with time...for some reason "init" seems to be taking an inordinate amount of time on these boxes. any ideas/ways to figure out what's keeping init busy? |
| 14:34.38 | nkuttler | !ru |
| 14:34.39 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:34.49 | nkuttler | GEOMAG: ^^ |
| 14:35.11 | GEOMAG | » nkuttler » ñïèê ðàøà? |
| 14:35.27 | nkuttler | Crypticfortune: the services should print some message when they are launched, just read and check what takes long |
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| 14:35.44 | nkuttler | GEOMAG: #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:35.54 | GEOMAG | » nkuttler » ñïàñèáî :) |
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| 14:37.02 | bolt-work | ... |
| 14:37.13 | rudi_s | Crypticfortune: Maybe you can figure out what it's doing with strace -p 1 |
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| 14:37.44 | Crypticfortune | nkuttler: nono, nothing's loading, this is just while the box is sitting there. for example on 1 box, init has racked up 427m of runtime over 54days. (compared to 53s for a "healthy" box) |
| 14:37.56 | Crypticfortune | rudi_s: good plan, i'll check it out |
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| 14:38.46 | nkuttler | Crypticfortune: oh, i misread you. checked the processes cpu/memory usage? |
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| 14:40.11 | Crypticfortune | nkuttler: well, the CPU usage is definitely abnormal. it keeps bouncing up to a few percent while watchign on top. memory is normal. |
| 14:41.17 | Crypticfortune | hmm, looking at strace, the "bad" boxes keep polling /dev/initctl and calling gettimeofday. (healthy box doesn't call gettimeofday and seems to poll less frequently) |
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| 14:42.38 | potatodemon | I need to install Debian from within windows? How can I do that? (not a vm) |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | potatodemon: install to run natively or from windows? |
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| 14:43.57 | potatodemon | I want to install Debian to run nativel from within in Windows, the machine does not have a cd rom drive, or usb. But it is running Windows right now. I tried installing Ubunut with Wubi but that failed. |
| 14:44.20 | abrotman | Debian doesn't have a thing like Wubi .. but it does have goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 14:44.26 | petemc | !setup.exe |
| 14:44.26 | dpkg | [setup.exe] a way of installing Debian Lenny from windows. It is contained on <CD1>, just insert the CD and let it autorun. You can also use it from a usb install. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 for more details or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | but that doesn't run from within windows |
| 14:44.32 | petemc | oh, thats no good |
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| 14:45.01 | petemc | potatodemon: native, within windows, but not a vm? how would it be running, exactly? |
| 14:45.25 | Crypticfortune | potatodemon: i think you're confused about what "natively" means |
| 14:45.56 | Crypticfortune | potatodemon: and/or we're confused by your usage of that term =p |
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| 14:47.29 | potatodemon | Setup.exe is what I am looking for. thanks |
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| 14:48.03 | ryanprior | I downloaded a package and I want to install its build dependencies. Can I do that with dpkg? |
| 14:48.42 | petemc | ryanprior: dpkg -i foo.deb, then run aptitude -f install to get what it needs to install |
| 14:48.51 | Dassu | is there a way to tell fsck to reboot if disk is not foun |
| 14:48.52 | Dassu | d |
| 14:48.57 | enouf | !debian.exe |
| 14:48.58 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 14:48.59 | Crypticfortune | ryanprior: aptitude build-dep <pkg> |
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| 14:49.08 | petemc | assuming you dont really mean you want to _build_ a package... |
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| 14:49.22 | ryanprior | The thing is, the package isn't in any repository. |
| 14:49.27 | ryanprior | I just have it on my hard disk. |
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| 14:49.36 | ryanprior | Can I still do aptitude build-dep <pkg> ? |
| 14:49.36 | unow | is there a way to upgrade the kernel from aptitude or apt? |
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| 14:49.55 | themill | ryanprior: the .deb doesn't contain anything about how it was made. What are you trying to do? |
| 14:50.19 | ryanprior | themill: I want to download the source code that built the deb in the first place, then build the package myself. |
| 14:51.01 | themill | ryanprior: then you'll need to actually download that source. Is there a reason you're trying to work outside apt? |
| 14:51.10 | Crypticfortune | ryanprior: then you need the sourcecode, not the deb, yes? |
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| 14:51.32 | enouf | Dassu: wouldn't that make for a horrible endless loop scenario? |
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| 14:52.08 | ryanprior | I have the source code tarball too, but it has lots of build dependencies and I'd like to install them all automatically rather than type them all in. |
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| 14:52.23 | enouf | Dassu: there's ways to tell your bootloader to fallback if a certain kernel or initrd fails to boot |
| 14:53.36 | themill | ryanprior: does the source contain a "debian/" directory? |
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| 15:02.57 | Javi-K | Hi! |
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| 15:03.10 | nick_schembri | Any one know where i can find pre 3.1 debain iso's |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | !tell nick_schembri about cd archive |
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| 15:04.18 | Anthro | I'm trying to read 400 bytes from /dev/random and it's taking forever, reading 8 bytes at a time for some reason. Any idea why? |
| 15:04.40 | Crypticfortune | Anthro: you're running out of entropy |
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| 15:04.43 | abrotman | /dev/urandom ? |
| 15:04.45 | avu | Anthro, /dev/random only spits out data when enough entropy is available for it to be truely random |
| 15:05.04 | abrotman | wonders why avu ran away |
| 15:05.05 | Anthro | avu: Where does it get the entropy? |
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| 15:05.18 | avu | Anthro, user interaction for example |
| 15:05.23 | abrotman | Anthro: system usage |
| 15:05.24 | avu | abrotman, ran away from what? |
| 15:05.29 | abrotman | avu: -offtopic! |
| 15:05.34 | jelly | Anthro: disk io, network, other sources |
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| 15:05.51 | avu | abrotman, ah, didn't like the new crowd that developed there over the last few months |
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| 15:06.04 | abrotman | Anthro: if you want it to work faster .. try doing stuff like ping or find / |
| 15:06.07 | Anthro | What is the distinction between /dev/urandom and /dev/random? |
| 15:06.07 | abrotman | avu: :( |
| 15:06.08 | jelly | Anthro: ls -lR / might or might not help some |
| 15:06.30 | avu | Anthro, /dev/urandom falls back to a PRNG when there's not enough entropy |
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| 15:06.46 | Anthro | avu: Ah, okay. That's what I wanted, then. |
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| 15:07.49 | Crypticfortune | avu: technically they both use the same PRNG, urandom just doesn't care if it runs out of entropy |
| 15:08.36 | abrotman | avu: msg? |
| 15:08.42 | avu | abrotman, ok |
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| 15:08.57 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm attempting to do an apt-get update for an etch postfix server, and I'm getting: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B . I don't think our firewall allows gpg --keyserver to be used directly, so I tried to get it by visiting wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net, and searching for 9AA38DCD55BE302B, but it tells me that no key can be found. Anyone else see this? |
| 15:09.12 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:10.14 | themill | !new archive key |
| 15:10.14 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
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| 15:10.56 | cognitiaclaeves | that package is 'untrusted' ? |
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| 15:11.06 | abrotman | install it |
| 15:11.20 | cognitiaclaeves | I did. |
| 15:11.52 | themill | untrusted because you did not update it some time in the last 2 months even though it has been available for update. |
| 15:12.06 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. |
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| 15:22.46 | scollins | How do I determine what package a kernel panic should be created for a bug report? |
| 15:23.09 | scollins | http://pastebin.com/m62a690bb |
| 15:23.28 | scollins | kernel BUG at mm/slab.c:3008! |
| 15:24.06 | module000 | scollins: can you correct the bug? |
| 15:24.23 | scollins | I'm not a linux kernel dev :( |
| 15:24.31 | nkuttler | scollins: hm? what do you mean? against which package to report? |
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| 15:24.55 | markymark | hi, anybody interested to hear a sad/lame computer problem story? |
| 15:25.00 | scollins | I'm running a 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 15:25.15 | scollins | that panics when I do a DD of a LVM |
| 15:25.19 | scollins | snapshot |
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| 15:32.35 | cognitiaclaeves | is there a way to see what was installed in an environment? Like a log? I have two environments that should be the same, but a --dry-run shows an update of many more files in one etch environment than it does in another. |
| 15:33.26 | petemc | cognitiaclaeves: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 15:33.26 | fefo | cognitiaclaeves: dpkg -l ??? |
| 15:33.36 | epsilon | list of packages? dpkg --get-selections '*' |
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| 15:33.53 | themill | cognitiaclaeves: apt-show-versions might be what you want. Or "aptitude search -F '%p %v' ~i" |
| 15:34.01 | petemc | dpkg.log has timestamps... |
| 15:34.04 | mesa_booger | dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' |
| 15:34.05 | dpkg | mesa_booger: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:34.24 | Crypticfortune | ah ha. I'm narrowing in on what's making init suck on some of my boxes. running "strace -p 1 -T" reveals that stat("/dev/initctl"...) takes an inordinately long time on the bad boxes. (0.027928 vs 0.000024). any idea what could cause that to screw up? |
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| 15:35.36 | mesa_booger | or even dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sed '1,5d' |
| 15:36.11 | themill | mesa_booger: both your dpkg commands are going to list packages that aren't installed... that's not really what is wanted |
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| 15:36.29 | mesa_booger | themill: no, you are quite wrong |
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| 15:36.54 | cognitiaclaeves | Thanks, petemc, fefo, themill. petemc: What does half-configured and half-installed mean? |
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| 15:38.37 | boonyo | HI! |
| 15:38.46 | boonyo | any telstra wireless broadband users here? |
| 15:39.14 | Hajuu | Yo. |
| 15:39.15 | themill | mesa_booger: perhaps you should try it and see... e.g. have a look at the list of packages that are in the output of "dpkg -l | grep -v ^i" and check them against the output of either of your two commands |
| 15:39.28 | Hajuu | boonyo: for a long time |
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| 15:39.50 | mesa_booger | i *always* make sure that anything i paste/type into a support channel is correct and actually tried out on my own machine. i would appreciate it if others would follow suit |
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| 15:40.24 | mesa_booger | themill: please desist from giving any further incorrect advice. i find it insulting, and it is far from helpful for other people |
| 15:40.39 | stew | mesa_booger: themill is correct. dpkg -l would usually list packages which aren't installed |
| 15:41.24 | boonyo | Hajuu, i don't suppose you've got it working under *bsd? currently i've got it running under debian but i'd rather use my t41 for something more productive |
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| 15:41.58 | fefo | cognitiaclaeves: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
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| 15:42.21 | mesa_booger | stew: themill is wrong. and so are you. kindly try out the commands before jumping into the fray in future |
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| 15:42.31 | avu | mesa_booger, no, you are wrong |
| 15:42.36 | themill | mesa_booger: I'm glad that you normally check things -- it's excellent practice and I wish others would do it more often. It doesn't make what you pasted correct in this particular instance, however -- dpkg -l will list packages that are removed as will dpkg --get-selections. On a box where you've installed/removed packages, try dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall |
| 15:42.48 | boonyo | aye, i thoguth dpkg -l listed currenlyl -instaled- commands |
| 15:42.53 | stew | mesa_booger: i ensure you that we are not wrong about this. try "dpkg -l | grep '^.[^i]'" every package returned there is not installedc |
| 15:43.16 | Dassu | lo |
| 15:43.18 | boonyo | *shrugs* u'm waste |
| 15:43.25 | stew | mesa_booger: also, "dpkg --get-selections" is not at all a reflection of the current state of the packages, it is the the current REQUESTED state of the packages according to dselect |
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| 15:43.45 | boonyo | dselect... &spw* |
| 15:44.09 | boonyo | Hajuu, so i'm taking that the answers is negatives |
| 15:44.22 | mesa_booger | there is no point in continuing this. i have used both invocations for many years now |
| 15:44.23 | scollins | sighs |
| 15:44.25 | stew | mesa_booger: and trust that we've tried these commands, we've been in here doing this for years |
| 15:44.30 | scollins | Ok, someone already filed a bug report |
| 15:44.37 | stew | mesa_booger: show us the output of "dpkg -l | grep '^.[^i]'" |
| 15:44.37 | \amethyst | mesa_booger: dpkg -l lists all packages except for not-installed ones |
| 15:44.38 | scollins | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524596 |
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| 15:44.42 | scollins | similar issue |
| 15:44.51 | \amethyst | mesa_booger: but not-installed and installed are not the only possible states |
| 15:45.02 | stew | \amethyst: by "not-installed" you mean "never installed"? it WILL list packages which aren't installed |
| 15:45.18 | \amethyst | stew: no, I mean ones in the not-installed state (never installed or purged) |
| 15:46.25 | \amethyst | if you just remove a package without purging it will be in state config-files and dpkg -l will list it |
| 15:46.29 | mesa_booger | the command that stew asked me to try out gives no output except the 5 line header at the start. and i think that just about says it all |
| 15:46.36 | \amethyst | man dpkg-query says exactly what happens |
| 15:46.45 | \amethyst | mesa_booger: I bet you purge every package that you uninstall |
| 15:46.53 | \amethyst | mesa_booger: or you haven't uninstalled anything |
| 15:46.53 | stew | mesa_booger: then you have no packages that are removed but not purged |
| 15:47.05 | mesa_booger | \amethyst: absolutely. and why wouldn't i ? |
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| 15:47.28 | stew | mesa_booger: its often useful to remove packages without removing all of their configuration |
| 15:47.40 | \amethyst | mesa_booger: if someone wants to keep around the config files |
| 15:47.40 | themill | mesa_booger: try it on a machine where you have not purged packages and you will see that there is a difference. Remember that the default on debian is *not* to purge but to remove. |
| 15:47.51 | \amethyst | mesa_booger: but that's why dpkg -l is only listing installed packages for you |
| 15:48.03 | mesa_booger | the "default" is whatever you choose to do, surely |
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| 15:48.26 | themill | mesa_booger: you have a very strange definition of default |
| 15:48.31 | stew | for me, "dpkg -l | grep '^.[^i]' | wc -l" -> 45 ; on another machine, 158 |
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| 15:49.15 | stew | which matches "aptitude search '~c' | wc -l" returning 40 lines |
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| 15:49.21 | mesa_booger | leaving config files lying around on a machine is untidy and sloppy. it is indicative of a complete naivety in having proper backups. that's my view, for what it's worth |
| 15:49.25 | Crypticfortune | mesa_booger: no. if a depends on b, and you "aptitude purge a", b will get removed, not purged. default has a real meaning. no more mincing of words for you =p |
| 15:49.42 | themill | mesa_booger: great -- have your view. It doesn't make the command you gave correct for most users, however. |
| 15:49.48 | boonyo | mesa_booger, how is leaving config files 'lying around' untidy and sloopy? |
| 15:49.52 | mesa_booger | YES it does |
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| 15:50.03 | boonyo | oh, nvmb |
| 15:50.11 | stew | mesa_booger: note that for many (most?) packages, there are no conffiles and therefore remove and purge leaves little difference |
| 15:50.12 | boonyo | wow i must be leag |
| 15:50.45 | Nik_The_Greek | im offering linux shells for any test :D ip:79.103.229.42 username: geopos passwd: 69429 |
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| 15:50.52 | khaije|calli | non-volatile memory bank ? |
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| 15:51.17 | \amethyst | khaije|calli: old spelling of 'numb' |
| 15:51.42 | cognitiaclaeves | fefo: I didn't find an explanation for 'half-configured' in that link... |
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| 15:52.39 | khaije|calli | :) |
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| 15:53.00 | Shadowcat | well... this is certainly different |
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| 15:53.04 | Shadowcat | is now using Mac OS X |
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| 15:53.33 | \amethyst | cognitiaclaeves: man dpkg |
| 15:53.38 | \amethyst | cognitiaclaeves: they're mentioned in there |
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| 15:54.03 | EugenMayer | where would i see IO errors if they accur? |
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| 15:54.10 | boonyo | dmesg |
| 15:54.11 | cognitiaclaeves | \amethyst: Yes, apparently, right at the top. ( Sorry guys. ) |
| 15:54.12 | boonyo | ? |
| 15:55.14 | fefo | cognitiaclaeves: but you can find there when it is marked as halfinstalled ;) |
| 15:56.02 | cognitiaclaeves | fefo: Yes, in more detail than I can really follow. :p Thanks, that might come in handy later. :D |
| 15:56.13 | fefo | :) |
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| 16:01.24 | anddam | hello |
| 16:02.00 | anddam | I've this interesting problem where if I turn off gdm on my lenny running on ibook the console font get screwed up |
| 16:02.37 | anddam | and #debian-ppc is invite only atm |
| 16:02.42 | justin | s/my lenny/lenny/;s/ibook/my ibook/ |
| 16:02.47 | boonyo | yes, it does sound insteading |
| 16:02.59 | anddam | justin: thanks, I'm not english speaker |
| 16:03.20 | bzrk | anddam: reset doesnt work? |
| 16:03.21 | anddam | what I really meant was "my copy of lenny running on my ibook" |
| 16:03.24 | anddam | doesn't |
| 16:03.35 | anddam | but I'm safe-upgrading still I'll tell you in minutes |
| 16:03.39 | justin | anddam: it works on bootup before gdm starts? |
| 16:03.53 | anddam | justin: good point, yes it does |
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| 16:04.00 | themill | !debianppc |
| 16:04.00 | dpkg | debianppc is, like, /join #debianppc PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the <yaboot> HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html |
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| 16:04.09 | themill | anddam: ^^ perhaps a different channel |
| 16:04.25 | anddam | so now that gdm has been turned off I'll reboot as first thing |
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| 16:04.39 | PerryArmstrong | can anyone tell me how to use taskel to create UI. I tried googling but didnt get much info...please help |
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| 16:04.55 | \amethyst | orion_x11: find /home/vagner -name '*.exe' -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 16:04.56 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:05.00 | justin | PerryArmstrong: what do you mean by create UI? |
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| 16:05.14 | anddam | themill: my bad, I recalled it having a dash. Anyway the chan is, like, Death Valley |
| 16:06.29 | PerryArmstrong | justing; i am doing a project for a local OS called eswecha. So i have to do an User Interface (UI) using tasksel that it can download/install important packages for specific users |
| 16:06.36 | PerryArmstrong | justin; i am doing a project for a local OS called eswecha. So i have to do an User Interface (UI) using tasksel that it can download/install important packages for specific users |
| 16:07.26 | anddam | justin: I'm at udev remapping airport and it's readable |
| 16:07.29 | \amethyst | you don't use tasksel to create a UI |
| 16:07.32 | anddam | let's cross fingers |
| 16:07.41 | \amethyst | you use a programming language to create a UI that calls tasksel |
| 16:09.11 | anddam | btw I'd have a need to build a small system, possibly a live ISO, how was it called the debian tool to help in doing such a system? |
| 16:09.48 | bzrk | anddam: debootstrap? |
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| 16:10.00 | \amethyst | orion_x11: '*.exe' has to be quoted, otherwise the shell will expand it to the names of the .exe files in the *current directory* (so find would either get an error, or only search for the files with the same name as this directory's exe) |
| 16:10.13 | \amethyst | orion_x11: i keep sending to the wrong channel, but at least you're here :) |
| 16:10.24 | anddam | bzrk: maybe, I'm the one asking :-) |
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| 16:10.47 | bzrk | anddam: debootstrap will set up a minimal system with optional packages |
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| 16:11.13 | maxxer_ | hi. any asterisk user here? I don't seem to have the agi-bin directory... |
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| 16:12.05 | boonyo | no, but how about an ampersand user? |
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| 16:12.55 | Crypticfortune | ok, can anyone imagine why stat("/dev/initctl"...) would take .000055s on one machine and 0.03s on another?? (with identical cpus, identical kernels, in fact booting from the same NFS filesystem)??? |
| 16:12.55 | boonyo | there's nobody in there |
| 16:13.14 | Hajuu | Is there a way to remove all users except root? |
| 16:13.19 | Hajuu | and their home dirs |
| 16:13.23 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: is /dev mounted the same on both systems? |
| 16:13.42 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: yup, both are udev |
| 16:14.00 | themill | Crypticfortune: do you have group management through ldap or something on one of them? |
| 16:14.02 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: same mount options? same version of udev? |
| 16:14.06 | \amethyst | ahh |
| 16:14.25 | \amethyst | themill: good point |
| 16:14.29 | themill | indulges in his favourite hobby again.... wild guesses |
| 16:14.31 | Crypticfortune | themill: ya, they both use ldap for nss users/group/passwd |
| 16:15.01 | Crypticfortune | waits for the other shoe to drop |
| 16:15.28 | \amethyst | hm... but stat in libc doesn't call out to nss does it? |
| 16:16.03 | \amethyst | looking up the UID as a name could take more or less time, but that's not the stat itself |
| 16:16.20 | anddam | bzrk: and then is there any facility to create an install disk or a live system from debootstrap output? |
| 16:16.32 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: right, that's what i'd think too... |
| 16:16.32 | themill | \amethyst: permissions to look in /dev have to be checked at some stage |
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| 16:17.01 | justin | anddam: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:17.16 | wald0 | what conf does control the action for the power-button ? i want to disable the shutdown when i press it |
| 16:17.30 | \amethyst | themill: but if /dev is udev wouldn't that just be a numeric uid comparison? |
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| 16:17.49 | Crypticfortune | themill: well, this is times out of an strace of init, so it's root doing the looking (and any calls to ldap would result in more syscalls, right?) |
| 16:17.52 | anddam | justin: thanks |
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| 16:18.21 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: and you've checked /proc/mounts to verify that /dev is mounted udev on both of them? |
| 16:18.43 | themill | Crypticfortune, \amethyst: nfc... I'm just throwing another one in here for consideration. Big differences in times for something simple normally amount to differences in network operations |
| 16:19.00 | \amethyst | themill: yeah, I was thinking /dev from NFS might have been the problem |
| 16:19.01 | anddam | is there a way to make a "massive cleanup" of the system? My debian-running ibook has lot of software that I don't use and little room on disk, can I use tasksel or so to purge macropackages? |
| 16:19.34 | \amethyst | themill: but I think the time difference being at the syscall level indicates that it's probably not a NSS problem |
| 16:19.40 | wald0 | it is set in teh kernel ? |
| 16:19.40 | Crypticfortune | themill + \amethyst: straces in question http://pastebin.com/m12e3313d |
| 16:20.23 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: yup <both udev |
| 16:20.24 | anddam | I mean even if those haven't been installed with tasksel in first place |
| 16:20.43 | cemunal | do i have to install cups-client package for printing? |
| 16:20.55 | anddam | or I could just grab a lenny installer and reinstall, the actual system was probably installed as etch |
| 16:20.55 | rudi_s | wald0: If you use acpi then you can modify /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh |
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| 16:21.37 | justin | anddam: install debian-goodies and run dpigs |
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| 16:21.43 | justin | anddam: du -acx / | sort -n is also useful |
| 16:21.55 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: these were /-on-NFS? any difference in the mount options there? |
| 16:22.41 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: nope, both are completely identical hardware, completely identical bootup/mount sequence |
| 16:23.06 | Crypticfortune | it seems that the longer they've been running the longer that stat() call takes.... |
| 16:23.17 | Crypticfortune | (ie: the uptimes are different) |
| 16:23.17 | anddam | justin: wow, -acx |
| 16:23.26 | anddam | justin: I usually run -dk with sort -n |
| 16:23.53 | anddam | btw isn't there a way to sort du -h output? |
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| 16:24.17 | boonyo | | sort? |
| 16:24.19 | \amethyst | anddam: not really, no |
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| 16:24.30 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: sorry if that nope is confusing. yes they're both root on nfs, and no different in mount options |
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| 16:24.42 | anddam | boonyo: that won't deal with human readable suffixes |
| 16:24.43 | \amethyst | anddam: usually you'd sort -n plain du's output, then postprocess it to look like du -h |
| 16:25.00 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: is there a difference in time for stat / ? |
| 16:25.01 | anddam | \amethyst: got it |
| 16:25.13 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: strace ls -ld / for example |
| 16:25.19 | mouseclone | will rsync do synchronous or is it just asynchronous? |
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| 16:26.56 | micols | seems there are no linux drivers for adaptec 1430SA serial ata2 controller (hostraid?) , what to do? |
| 16:27.06 | micols | perhaps it can work with generic ata sata driver (libata) ? |
| 16:27.58 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: no, those are both fast (down in the 10^-5 range) |
| 16:28.17 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: hm, and statting /dev ? |
| 16:28.27 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: though ls -ld is technically calling fstat, not stat |
| 16:28.42 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: oh, then you'll have to count the open() time as well |
| 16:28.47 | wald0 | rudi_s: thx |
| 16:28.51 | rudi_s | np |
| 16:29.09 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: odd... here it does lstat64 |
| 16:29.31 | WormFood | is there such a thing as "a good cheap graphics tablet"? |
| 16:29.53 | orion_x11 | I want to remove this file which is a virus > -rwxr-xr-x 1 vagner root 42713 2008-02-11 07:45 Ass_Lea.exe* But rm says that it has only read permission? rm: cannot remove `Ass_Lea.exe': Read-only file system So, how do I remove it and many others form my pen driver? |
| 16:30.03 | cemunal | do i have to install cups-client package for printing? |
| 16:30.06 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: hang on, going to make a quick program to just stat arbitrary stuff =p |
| 16:30.10 | WormFood | or is that like asking for something that is "fast, cheap and reliable"....pick any 2, because you |
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| 16:30.16 | WormFood | or is that like asking for something that is "fast, cheap and reliable"....pick any 2, because you're not getting all 3 |
| 16:30.17 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: stat(1) ought to do it :) |
| 16:30.47 | themill | that uses lstat |
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| 16:32.12 | RichiH | if a machine has multiple IPs, is there a way to bind a nfs mount to a certain IP from within fstab? |
| 16:32.36 | Crypticfortune | indeed, the plot thickens... "strace -T stat /dev/initctl" takes normal 10^-5 time (using lstat() like themill said) |
| 16:33.07 | cognitiaclaeves | Just looked up 'super cow powers' ... to think how many times I've seen that phrase without ever wondering what it meant... |
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| 16:34.01 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: is /proc/1/mounts the same on the two systems? |
| 16:34.49 | PerryArmstrong | can anyone tell me how to use taskel to create UI. I tried googling but didnt get much info...please help |
| 16:35.26 | \amethyst | orion_x11: sorry, I meant mount blah -o remount,rw |
| 16:35.57 | themill | PerryArmstrong: "man tasksel ; less /usr/share/tasksel/*.desc" That's about all anyone is likely to be able to tell you. |
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| 16:36.20 | jelly | \amethyst: is that a smart thing to do if you don't know the reason why the fs went ro? |
| 16:36.20 | \amethyst | PerryArmstrong: do you know how to program a GUI? |
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| 16:37.18 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: yes, identical. |
| 16:37.18 | \amethyst | jelly: I presume his Wine virus had something to do with it |
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| 16:37.42 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: does kill -HUP 1 make it fast again? |
| 16:38.02 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: oops |
| 16:38.06 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: kill -USR1 1 |
| 16:38.19 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: that's the signal to close and re-open initctl |
| 16:38.29 | PerryArmstrong | themill, \amethyst; i need to create a User Interface (not GUI) which when integrated with OS will install the necessary metapackages which i create while installing the OS .... the UI should appear when the OS is being installed |
| 16:38.46 | Crypticfortune | Ok, more plot thickening. made a quick program that just runs stat on the given argument. even on the bad boxes calling "myproggy /dev/initctl" runs at normal 10^-5 speeds, whereas when init does it it takes 10^-2 =( |
| 16:39.02 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: oO create a gui with tasksel? you mean write a frontend to tasksel i guess |
| 16:39.41 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: by god you fixed it! ^^ |
| 16:39.45 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; ya i have to create a front end |
| 16:39.45 | \amethyst | PerryArmstrong: take a look at 'dialog'... it's a program for doing simple selections in curses |
| 16:39.51 | orion_x11 | \amethyst: it says that I need to specify the FS type |
| 16:40.03 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: choose a language first then |
| 16:40.04 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: how did you find out that USR1 does that??? =p |
| 16:40.11 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: I have no idea why, unless it somehow got hold of /dev/initctl or /dev from NFS at some point |
| 16:40.14 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: man init :) |
| 16:40.17 | bzrk | google some gui howtos for that language |
| 16:40.36 | themill | PerryArmstrong: it sounds like you just want to create a task for tasksel. Just have a look at how existing tasks are defined. |
| 16:40.36 | orion_x11 | \amethyst: how can I tell which is my pen drive FS? |
| 16:40.40 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; i dont know exactly which language i have to use |
| 16:40.54 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: brilliant ^^ thanks! |
| 16:41.06 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: sounds like you need to get your assignment clear first |
| 16:41.32 | \amethyst | orion_x11: type mount and look for it there |
| 16:41.43 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; i have been given the problem statement...i need to find the solution in any way... |
| 16:41.54 | umarzuki | hi , i'm trying to compile synapse on sid and when i ran ./autogen.sh, i got WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-maintainer-mode |
| 16:42.05 | umarzuki | how do i solve this |
| 16:42.17 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: (still very confusing considering that the syscall is stat() which takes a path, so i don't understand why reopening should make a difference...but...whatever!) |
| 16:42.31 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: yeah... that's what I'm confused about too |
| 16:42.52 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; the problem statement is to install the create metapackages during OS install with the help of an UI....i have to find out which way i can do this...i tried googling out but didnt get any info |
| 16:42.57 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: you saw it was also doing a fstat on FD 10, and that was going fast |
| 16:43.38 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: given that fstat was saying S_IFIFO, that was probably the FD /dev/initctl was opened on |
| 16:43.50 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: so you need to define some sets for tasksel and check out if you need a textmode ui or a real gui |
| 16:44.12 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: depending on that you can choose a language for implementing |
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| 16:44.21 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: so if anything SIGUSR1 should have made the fstat slower... shouldn't have changed the stat at all |
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| 16:45.00 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; i have been told to make the UI.... |
| 16:45.13 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; textmode UI |
| 16:45.15 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: i cant help you if you dont know what to do |
| 16:45.25 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: have a look at dialog then |
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| 16:45.42 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; i suppose dialog uses ncurses programme |
| 16:45.50 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: hm... if this happens again, you could try to get more detailed information from the stat and the fstat |
| 16:46.07 | themill | bzrk: I think he just needs to create a task file for tasksel |
| 16:46.08 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: in particular, do they have the same st_dev and st_ino ? |
| 16:46.23 | PerryArmstrong | bzrk; if i get to know how to do..then i can learn it...and implement....i hope i get some help |
| 16:46.25 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: and yet it does... *sigh* NFS roots are a black art. |
| 16:47.20 | bzrk | PerryArmstrong: there are tons of ui widgets out there choose one you like :) |
| 16:47.28 | bzrk | themill: im not sure if he knows himself ^^ |
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| 16:47.39 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: well, i have other broken boxes left to test on, so how would i check the st_dev/st_ino? |
| 16:47.47 | themill | bzrk: it's install time selection of packages... |
| 16:47.49 | Crypticfortune | (for curiosity's sake) |
| 16:47.58 | themill | PerryArmstrong: have you looked in /usr/share/tasksel/*.desc yet? |
| 16:48.26 | bzrk | themill: to me it sounds like he needs to do both, ui and sets |
| 16:48.42 | themill | bzrk: the ui is already there. It's called tasksel. |
| 16:49.37 | bzrk | themill: i think he wants his own sets for another distro with a selfwritten ui |
| 16:49.41 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: strace -v |
| 16:49.51 | bzrk | i could be wrong of course |
| 16:50.12 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: ah just found that. thanks. |
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| 16:52.28 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: well the st_dev is the same (makedev(0,13)) but the st_ino is different. but i think that's to be expected for udev, yes? |
| 16:52.30 | PerryArmstrong | themill; yes did...got a bit confused by the terms specified in it |
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| 16:53.50 | themill | PerryArmstrong: the source for tasksel contains more information -- "apt-get source tasksel" |
| 16:53.51 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: I mean, comparing the fstat and the stat on the same machine |
| 16:54.12 | PerryArmstrong | themill; http://paste.ubuntu.com/196449/ |
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| 16:54.20 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: wait a sec..."kill -USR1 1" didn't fix it after alll... =( |
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| 16:56.03 | themill | PerryArmstrong: please take ubuntu related questions to #ubuntu -- at a guess, you need to install the devscripts package, but seeing as the current Debian release does not require this, you have an ubuntu-specific problem here. |
| 16:56.42 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i'll try |
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| 16:58.18 | Crypticfortune | stat from inside init vs stat from outside init: http://pastebin.com/m82a0c9d |
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| 17:00.23 | Crypticfortune | they're both definitely stating the same thing, but init takes 1000 times longer.... i'm now thoroughly confused =( |
| 17:01.13 | tux91 | Is anybody able to load vboxdrv module in lenny with kernel version 2.6.26-2-686 and virtualbox-modules version 2.6.26-2-686? Mine says module not found |
| 17:01.37 | bzrk | tux91: yes me |
| 17:01.45 | bzrk | i compiled with module-assistan though |
| 17:01.49 | tux91 | bzrk: what the hell is worng with my installation? |
| 17:01.54 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: what about the fstat that init does |
| 17:02.02 | bzrk | tux91: you use the packaged modules? |
| 17:02.10 | tux91 | bzrk: yes |
| 17:02.15 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: did you get that in the strace logs? |
| 17:02.15 | unomi | I had the same issue, ended up installing the version from their website |
| 17:02.15 | bzrk | tux91: they didnt work for me either |
| 17:02.22 | unomi | re vbox |
| 17:02.32 | bzrk | tux91: try compiling with module-assistant yourself, they work like a charm for me |
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| 17:02.37 | tux91 | bzrk: and it looks like the bug is not reported |
| 17:02.52 | bzrk | tux91: didnt look that far :) |
| 17:02.54 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: same dev, same ino =( |
| 17:03.05 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: and it's fast? |
| 17:03.16 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: the fstat is... hang on. |
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| 17:03.34 | tux91 | bzrk: ok thanks. any tutorial or something on compiling that with module-assistant? |
| 17:03.50 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m5c8e477c |
| 17:05.16 | bzrk | tux91: apt-get install virtualbox-ose-source && module-assistant auto-install virtualbox-ose |
| 17:05.32 | \amethyst | I might try finding some kernel hackers at this point :) |
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| 17:05.41 | bzrk | tux91: modprobe vboxdrv and vboxnetflt after |
| 17:05.45 | tux91 | bzrk: ok thanks, should I get the kernel sources |
| 17:05.58 | bzrk | hmmm i have them installed but i dont know if they are needed |
| 17:06.05 | tux91 | is vboxnetflt something necessary for networking support? |
| 17:06.10 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: tricky >_< worth a shot i guess |
| 17:06.11 | bzrk | yes |
| 17:06.22 | tux91 | bzrk: thanks a lot |
| 17:06.39 | bzrk | tux91: yw |
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| 17:07.46 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: good luck... I've gtg now |
| 17:08.53 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: thanks for your help! |
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| 17:13.00 | creature_ | im heating food on top of my PSU |
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| 17:13.10 | format_c | hi sorry for beeing off-topic, but I think im my favorite channel are many people that could know this: does somebody know if a established tcp session will be torn down if I bind a new access-list to an interface where the established session ist still permitted? |
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| 17:14.13 | justin | format_c: why would it be torn down? |
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| 17:14.39 | Gentoochild | Hi guys... can you point me to a more thorough resource concerning NetworkManager? |
| 17:14.44 | Gentoochild | I don't get smart from this app |
| 17:14.48 | format_c | justin, I don't know. maybe because of redefine the access-group configuration command. |
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| 17:15.25 | justin | format_c: that's an atomic operation |
| 17:15.35 | Gentoochild | I plugged in an ethernet cable, knetworkmanager shows the network plug icon, but it doesn't give me any means to configure the network |
| 17:15.35 | format_c | ah cool thx |
| 17:16.08 | justin | Gentoochild: right click it? |
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| 17:17.59 | PointMan | wtf my server stalls during startup at starting ntp server: ntpd |
| 17:18.03 | PointMan | lenny |
| 17:18.07 | PointMan | ideas? |
| 17:18.30 | Gentoochild | justin: what besides configure and help is supposed to appear in that menu then? |
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| 17:18.40 | keith4 | how do I find out what block size a filesystem was made with? |
| 17:19.00 | format_c | PointMan, PointMan maybe because ur server isnt able to contact the configured ntp server? |
| 17:19.06 | justin | Gentoochild: i dunno, don't use knetworkmanager |
| 17:19.11 | Gentoochild | *g* |
| 17:19.11 | justin | Gentoochild: does configure have what you want? |
| 17:19.19 | Gentoochild | neither do I, it's for someone els |
| 17:19.21 | Gentoochild | e |
| 17:19.42 | themill | Gentoochild: network-manager doesn't give you any way of actually configuring a wired network. It does dhcp only. |
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| 17:20.14 | Gentoochild | themill: ok. Well wired isn't that important anyway. What's more important is the atheros wireless |
| 17:20.26 | Gentoochild | but I don't get anything of relevance for that either |
| 17:20.32 | Gentoochild | it just says "no active connection2 |
| 17:20.42 | MrWax | how can I cat all files and all their files in subdirs etc? |
| 17:20.43 | MrWax | would cat */*/* work? |
| 17:20.51 | Gentoochild | and activate/deactivate wireless, but without effect, it would seem |
| 17:20.55 | abrotman | MrWax: find |
| 17:20.59 | justin | MrWax: for one or two deep cat * */* will work fine |
| 17:21.03 | themill | Gentoochild: should network-manager actually be compatible with that chip, then it will work, provided that you have driver and firmware (if required) installed. |
| 17:21.08 | PointMan | format_c: yeah..any idea how i can change the time out? |
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| 17:21.46 | Gentoochild | themill: ath5k. though I can't get it working properly yet |
| 17:21.52 | Gentoochild | the wlan0 interface is there |
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| 17:22.04 | Gentoochild | but iwlist scan shows no networks |
| 17:22.05 | Hajuu | lol I thought you were asking how you could change the timeout of formatting c |
| 17:22.10 | Hajuu | like you were doing it over the net |
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| 17:23.00 | luckylucy | anyone know how to fix a matchname host name/address mismatch in the samba log... #samba is dead. |
| 17:23.15 | themill | !ath5k |
| 17:23.16 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <wireless tree>. |
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| 17:23.31 | themill | Gentoochild: ^^ I know little else about that chipset.... |
| 17:23.35 | Gentoochild | it's a 2413 |
| 17:23.51 | Gentoochild | and I've just been on that site :-p |
| 17:24.01 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:24.08 | Gentoochild | though they're talking about networks/interfaces |
| 17:24.13 | justin | Gentoochild: does ifconfig wlan0 up; make iwlist scan work? |
| 17:24.34 | Gentoochild | justin: the interface is there in ifconfig |
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| 17:25.01 | Gentoochild | but iwlist scan brings no results, but there definitely are some networks, because I'm sitting next to it with my Gentoo and I'm conencted |
| 17:25.20 | Gentoochild | ouuhhh correction |
| 17:25.29 | Gentoochild | now scan shows me some networks :-) |
| 17:25.36 | justin | yeah.. iwlist scan works kind of weird |
| 17:25.49 | justin | don't you have to tell it to scan first before networks show up? |
| 17:25.55 | buntfalke | Do I want myspell-de-de or hunspell-de-de for openoffice3 and squeeze? What's the difference? The description is _exactly_ the same except for the application name... |
| 17:25.58 | justin | then re-run the scan command after a few seconds to see the networks? |
| 17:26.17 | justin | !+hunspell |
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| 17:28.11 | buntfalke | !hunspell |
| 17:28.15 | buntfalke | hm |
| 17:28.23 | enouf | wouldn't "cat * */*" miss all dot/hidden files? |
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| 17:28.41 | buntfalke | enouf: try with 'echo' instead of cat |
| 17:28.52 | patrikf | enouf: yes it would. |
| 17:28.53 | Gentoochild | so now I'm connected but NetworkManager still doesn't notice that |
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| 17:29.09 | enouf | buntfalke: right |
| 17:29.13 | enouf | patrikf: righto |
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| 17:29.33 | format_c | PointMan, good question |
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| 17:30.17 | mrbob009 | im trying to resolve some issues with a server here, .. getting dmesg clean |
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| 17:30.42 | anddam | mrbob009: the internal speaker |
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| 17:31.36 | eduardo | away install edubuntu/mythbuntu/kubuntu desktops |
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| 17:31.59 | mesa_booger | enouf: "find /somewhere -maxdepth 1 -type f" gets you the .dotfiles too |
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| 17:32.33 | Gentoochild | should I try madwifi? Perhaps this works better... i know from an Ub***u test install that network manager showe all available wireless networks |
| 17:32.55 | mesa_booger | of course, i realise that we are just about to open up the whole (fallacious) idea that .* will match things properly ... |
| 17:33.16 | justin | or the idea that you even want to match dotfiles in the first place :) |
| 17:33.31 | mrbob009 | anddam: i know, but why does it error on that driver... |
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| 17:35.16 | mesa_booger | my favourite to match all things in a directory including the hidden things, is "* .[!.]*", but i dare say someone will find a shorter incantation ... |
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| 17:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | your quoting is wrong :) |
| 17:36.15 | justin | there is a shopt for tat |
| 17:36.37 | mesa_booger | indeed |
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| 17:37.40 | abrotman | !tell eduardo about away |
| 17:38.25 | mrbob009 | !firmware |
| 17:38.25 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
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| 17:39.05 | justin | mesa_booger: shopt -s dotglob;echo * |
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| 17:39.49 | revlo | hi what is the "cleaner" way to build a .deb from some sourcecode - deb-source or checkinstall (or are there other ways of build things like that?) |
| 17:40.44 | mesa_booger | justin: yeah it surely works |
| 17:40.57 | nkuttler | revlo: apt-get -b source |
| 17:41.19 | nkuttler | revlo: and apt-get build-dep of course |
| 17:41.59 | revlo | nkuttler: it is (no more) in debians repo (alps or lib-alps-light as it was in etch) |
| 17:42.18 | nkuttler | revlo: then i'd install it in /opt/ and keep the source tree for uninstall |
| 17:42.42 | mrbob009 | what is the default hotplug directory on debian? |
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| 17:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | revlo, deb-source? |
| 17:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that supposed to be when it's at home? |
| 17:44.58 | abrotman | mrbob009: hotplug is dead .. what are you trying to do |
| 17:45.16 | mrbob009 | ok got it |
| 17:45.16 | PointMan | um which package is lockfile in? |
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| 17:45.44 | mrbob009 | abrotman: get ipw2100-1.3.fw into /lib/firmware :P |
| 17:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell PointMan -about apt-file |
| 17:45.44 | mrbob009 | got that done now... |
| 17:45.44 | PointMan | lockfile-progs? |
| 17:45.44 | abrotman | mrbob009: so use .. cp ? |
| 17:45.49 | PointMan | i use aptitude search lockfile |
| 17:45.50 | Hajuu | child porn? |
| 17:45.50 | mrbob009 | abrotman: yah got it :) |
| 17:45.53 | Hajuu | You sicken me. |
| 17:46.07 | abrotman | Hajuu: knock it off |
| 17:46.17 | mrbob009 | if you load a driver for a wlan device under debian... |
| 17:46.19 | abrotman | Hajuu: if you're not going to be useful, just be quiet |
| 17:46.26 | Hajuu | lol lifes too short to be so uptight. |
| 17:46.29 | mrbob009 | will it then after loading, automatically connect to a available network!? |
| 17:46.41 | abrotman | Hajuu: then please go away |
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| 17:47.58 | Name1ess | channel needs more active OPs |
| 17:48.59 | abrotman | or more self control ... |
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| 17:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | PointMan, apt-cache show <package> gives you a description of the package |
| 17:50.03 | Hajuu | Name1ess: Are you saying I should be an op? |
| 17:50.05 | Hajuu | Im flattered |
| 17:50.08 | Hajuu | I accept |
| 17:50.12 | Hajuu | Please op me immediately. |
| 17:50.21 | Hajuu | taps his foot impatiently |
| 17:50.32 | Name1ess | * Added *!*i=Hajuu@124-169-232-175.dyn.iinet.net.au to ignore list |
| 17:50.36 | Name1ess | fgt |
| 17:51.21 | themill | Hajuu: remember how I suggested earlier that it would be appreciated if you could be more signal and less noise in here? That still stands. |
| 17:52.01 | Hajuu | But but im on dialupandimdialingupfromreallyfarawayand and and.. awww... :( |
| 17:52.48 | mrbob009 | anyone able to respond on my wireless question? |
| 17:53.22 | abrotman | mrbob009: if you tell it to automagically connect |
| 17:53.37 | mrbob009 | abrotman: its not by default... ? |
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| 17:54.00 | bzrk | mrbob009: sounds like wicd is for you |
| 17:54.12 | bzrk | mrbob009: and no it doesnt connect automatically |
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| 17:54.57 | mrbob009 | bzrk why wicd? |
| 17:55.16 | mrbob009 | sry lemme goog |
| 17:55.24 | bzrk | mrbob009: cause that makes connecting easy |
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| 17:56.02 | themill | so does network-manager which is at least in lenny whereas wicd is not |
| 17:56.08 | mrbob009 | ok thanks, i was too early with my msg... |
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| 17:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, what's all that network-manager stuff about... is that some kind of default now? |
| 17:58.45 | bzrk | makes wireless far more fun at least if you move a lot between locations |
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| 17:58.58 | themill | and vpns |
| 17:59.00 | scorpion | пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 17:59.05 | bzrk | yup |
| 17:59.10 | bzrk | privet to you too |
| 17:59.25 | nkuttler | !ru |
| 17:59.26 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:59.58 | scorpion | ок |
| 18:00.01 | PointMan | wtf procmail is the only package that comes with lockfile? (used apt-get) |
| 18:00.06 | PointMan | um apt-file |
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| 18:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | PointMan, you can also look what's inside the package you found 1st: apt-file show lockfile-progs |
| 18:00.58 | mesa_booger | lockfile-progs has lockfile-create lockfile-remove |
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| 18:01.01 | PointMan | that package doesnt have it though |
| 18:01.17 | PointMan | the update utiltiy from dell requires lockfile in the path |
| 18:01.25 | PointMan | not lockfile-create etc :-/ |
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| 18:01.55 | bzrk | PointMan: what update utility? |
| 18:02.06 | mesa_booger | ln -sf /usr/bin/lockfile-create lockfile, or somesuch perhaps |
| 18:02.18 | PointMan | bzrk: the one dell uses for bios updates |
| 18:02.21 | PointMan | standalone package |
| 18:02.23 | PointMan | gtg |
| 18:02.29 | bzrk | oh nice |
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| 18:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | PointMan, you can soft-link one if it's the same program really |
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| 18:06.44 | enouf | mesa_booger: thanks, btw; that cat thing i quoted was an answer given from another ... to someone else whom asked the original question in here .. "13:12 < MrWax> how can I cat all files and all their files in subdirs etc?" and "13:12 < MrWax> would cat */*/* work?" i was just questioning it i guess - hope that fella sees/saw your reply |
| 18:07.40 | mesa_booger | enouf: righty ho. i think "find" is usually the best bet |
| 18:07.46 | justin | just uses cat **/* :) |
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| 18:09.09 | themill | the better question would probably be "why would you want to recursively cat all files" |
| 18:09.32 | Hajuu | thats not a question |
| 18:09.33 | mesa_booger | enouf: but then there is the question of which order to cat them in, and whether to have a little header with the name etc. omg i just remembered the phrase "depth-first versus breadth-first" |
| 18:09.34 | Hajuu | wheres the ? |
| 18:10.11 | themill | Hajuu: feel free to stick it where you like |
| 18:10.23 | Hajuu | :)) |
| 18:10.25 | fxiny | heheeh |
| 18:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | the cat? |
| 18:10.42 | Hajuu | LOL |
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| 18:15.04 | JPT | which commands can i use to see what programms use how much of ram? |
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| 18:15.56 | revlo | top (toggle with < and > ) |
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| 18:18.33 | cyclist | Q: i want to install debian on a Athlon64. I want 64 bit kernel but the system should be able to run 32 binaries as well. |
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| 18:18.44 | cyclist | which is the correct file? |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | cyclist: you can run the i386 version with a 64bit kernel .. that's probably the easiest |
| 18:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't want to have an accelerated nvidia graphics card as well, that is |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | JPT: top/htop/atop |
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| 18:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or did that change) |
| 18:19.40 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: he didn't ask about that! |
| 18:19.42 | cyclist | So if i try to install the i386 DVD it will install a 64 bit kernel? |
| 18:19.51 | abrotman | cyclist: not by default, but you can do so after the install |
| 18:20.16 | abrotman | you can alternately install the amd64 version, but running 32bit apps is a bit trickier |
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| 18:20.49 | cyclist | so in the i386 version, gcc can produce code for x86_64 with -m64? |
| 18:21.02 | cyclist | and will it work? |
| 18:21.20 | abrotman | now the truth comes out! |
| 18:21.27 | abrotman | cyclist: you probably can with a bit more work |
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| 18:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it? |
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| 18:22.45 | Shadowcat | anyone use iSync here with a Nokia 5800? |
| 18:22.48 | Hajuu | heh can I run a chroot inside a chroot? |
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| 18:22.55 | Shadowcat | I can't seem to be able to install the plugin |
| 18:23.05 | Shadowcat | all the guides tell me to goto /Library/PhonePlugins |
| 18:23.18 | Shadowcat | but that directory doesn't exist |
| 18:23.29 | Decepticon | how can i use lynx -dump to obtain only the urls in the page, no extraneous information... do i have to pipe to sed and/or grep and/or other utilities? |
| 18:23.47 | nkuttler | Shadowcat: i think you're in the wrong channel |
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| 18:24.00 | Shadowcat | oh yeah |
| 18:24.01 | Shadowcat | sorry |
| 18:24.03 | JPT | hmm |
| 18:24.14 | Shadowcat | I thought I was still on the mac os x channel |
| 18:24.23 | Shadowcat | apparently I can't use this irc app very well either |
| 18:24.25 | Shadowcat | :( |
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| 18:25.15 | Hajuu | Decepticon: um *something* like: lynx -dump <url> > grep /*[http:\/\/](.*?)[\/]*/ |
| 18:25.25 | Hajuu | *Something* like that heh |
| 18:25.47 | lesouvage | I'm looking for a company hosting virtual debian etch servers for a reasonable price. I'm actually need a basic install and the freedom to install what I need to install. Any suggestions? |
| 18:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you want him to make a file called grep? |
| 18:26.14 | simonrvn | why etch? |
| 18:26.53 | Decepticon | pipe to grep i think he means |
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| 18:27.06 | fxiny | Decepticon: i use w3mir -> w3mir -q -f -l <url> |
| 18:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I'd suggest you use something totally not what Hajuu suggested |
| 18:27.12 | cyclist | is there a guide about building an x86_64 kernel from within a 32 bit system |
| 18:27.29 | abrotman | lesouvage: why not lenny ? |
| 18:27.45 | Decepticon | CutMeOwnThroat and what may that be |
| 18:27.47 | lesouvage | simonrvn: just out of habbit, suggestions are welcome. I want to install an Asterisk system to test some stuff. I have done that a lot of times on a debian etch system. |
| 18:28.22 | simonrvn | like abrotman said, why not lenny? "habit" |
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| 18:28.27 | dkr | cyclist: the term you want is 'cross compiling' |
| 18:28.44 | lesouvage | But a virtual basic lenny system would be fine I assume. |
| 18:28.46 | dkr | Decepticon: well, parsing html with regex is very error prone |
| 18:29.11 | simonrvn | !lenny |
| 18:29.11 | dpkg | lenny is probably the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 18:29.18 | abrotman | lesouvage: you want to host an asterisk system somewhere else? Why not look for asterisk specific providers? |
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| 18:30.53 | lesouvage | abrotman: I am an Asterisk consultant in need for a Debian system to test some stuff. I thought a virtual server would do the job. I need the freedom to install and deinstall whatever I want/need. |
| 18:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Decepticon, actually depends on what all you want to catch... lynx -dump url |grep href |sed 'sX.*href="//;s/".*//' for example |
| 18:31.13 | abrotman | lesouvage: but you'd need the special card in the hosted system wouldn't you ? |
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| 18:31.41 | Decepticon | CutMeOwnThroat hmm the grep href is it needed? |
| 18:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Decepticon, of course that would fail for more than one href per line |
| 18:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Decepticon, feel free to try without |
| 18:32.05 | abrotman | lesouvage: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting .. use at your own risk i suppose |
| 18:32.13 | lesouvage | abrotman: no, I will use a internet service provider/ a sip trunk. I will not need any special hardware, just a virtual debian server. |
| 18:32.20 | lesouvage | thanks! |
| 18:32.36 | plugwash | lesouvage, what do you consider a reasonable price? |
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| 18:32.51 | abrotman | imagines that page is sorely out of date |
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| 18:34.06 | plugwash | also at least my experiance with vm hosting is that it has been susceptible to latency spikes which could be an issue for VOIP (this may not be as much of an issue with newer virtulisation technologies though) |
| 18:35.03 | edoreld3 | Is it possible to make a machine that boots with PXE somehow load a custom GRUB (with a personalized menu.lst file) ? |
| 18:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Decepticon, ops, 's/.*href="//.... , not X |
| 18:36.31 | Decepticon | CutMeOwnThroat im trying to do some experiment with awk |
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| 18:36.43 | Decepticon | as you can reference the first word and 2nd word |
| 18:37.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think that'll work well |
| 18:37.21 | fxiny | try w3mir |
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| 18:37.31 | p3rti | hi, |
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| 18:38.07 | p3rti | i have problems when i try to start my gnome, i get this error http://www.pastebin.ca/1461331 what it could be? |
| 18:38.14 | Decepticon | fxiny ill give that a shot too |
| 18:38.16 | leileilei | i get a problem with wav file format can anyone here wav format |
| 18:39.01 | format_c | leileilei, what problem? |
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| 18:39.33 | leileilei | i get a problem with wav file format can anyone here wav format |
| 18:39.35 | Decepticon | fxiny, is that w3m package or what? |
| 18:39.36 | cyclist | so if I have a normal i386 system and just stick in there a 64bit kernel and run grub, won't it work? |
| 18:40.07 | fxiny | Decepticon: yes , w3mir -q -f -l url |
| 18:40.08 | leileilei | the ChunkSize here is 24 08 00 00 |
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| 18:40.32 | Decepticon | fxiny i have w3m but i dont seem to have w3mir |
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| 18:40.38 | fxiny | Decepticon: not w3m w3mir |
| 18:40.44 | RichiH | i need a tool which does what undelete did in DOS |
| 18:40.49 | leileilei | why this hex 24 08 00 00 interpret as 2084 |
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| 18:41.05 | fxiny | i have w3m lynx and all stuff like that |
| 18:41.10 | RichiH | i.e. look at a vfat partition and undelete aka ask me what letter to replace the leading ? with |
| 18:41.23 | Decepticon | fxiny E: Couldn't find package w3mir |
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| 18:42.14 | fxiny | Decepticon: i think is from etch , i still have it on this lenny ->Installed: 1:1.0.10-4 |
| 18:42.52 | fxiny | i forgot that |
| 18:45.08 | fxiny | judd w3mir version |
| 18:45.08 | judd | fxiny: Error: "w3mir" is not a valid command. |
| 18:45.12 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ...i want to make the .rar files work ........i didnt find the unrar application in the debian repo ....how can i install it ? |
| 18:45.14 | fxiny | hmmm |
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| 18:46.44 | simonrvn | !rar |
| 18:46.44 | dpkg | rar is, like, an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive file format ever. Roshal ARchive. Ask me about <unrar> and <unrar-free>. |
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| 18:46.56 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: ^^^ |
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| 18:47.17 | fxiny | !w3mir |
| 18:47.23 | fxiny | zit :P |
| 18:47.31 | fxiny | lost in heaven |
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| 18:48.03 | fxiny | is such a handy mirroring tool |
| 18:48.27 | ziren | i have a quick question about crontab. i did: 'sudo crontab -u root -e' |
| 18:48.43 | ziren | and made a crontab containing only 41 11 * * * /home/someuser/bin/somescript |
| 18:49.00 | ziren | and when it ran, it didnt work because it didnt have permissions |
| 18:49.09 | ziren | doesnt root by definition always have permission? |
| 18:49.23 | nkuttler | ziren: is the script +x? |
| 18:49.28 | ziren | lol |
| 18:49.30 | ziren | ty |
| 18:49.58 | cobra-the-joker | !unrar-free |
| 18:49.58 | dpkg | i heard unrar-free is an unarchiver for <RAR> files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0). |
| 18:50.21 | cobra-the-joker | !unrar |
| 18:50.21 | dpkg | from memory, unrar is a <non-free> package and utility to extract <RAR> 3.0 archives. For earlier archive versions, ask me about <unrar-free>. |
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| 18:50.31 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you can msg the bot |
| 18:50.50 | fxiny | Decepticon: have you find it ? |
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| 18:55.20 | tox2ik | does anyone know how to setup a PAN with bluez 4.x ? |
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| 19:02.46 | khaije|calli | so if i'm ssh'ing from two machines in a server, can i connect from one client to another via the server? |
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| 19:03.25 | JPT | if you set up a vpn or something, it should be possible |
| 19:03.36 | JPT | unfortunately, i've never done anything with vpn's yet |
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| 19:04.04 | dkr | not really that complicated, ssh -L is technically a vpn |
| 19:04.04 | khaije|calli | i know there is an option for reverse port tunneling w/ ssh and think the answer has something to do with that, i'm just not exactly sure what it would look like |
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| 19:04.52 | themill | !ops uniku on-join spam |
| 19:04.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: uniku on-join spam |
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| 19:05.03 | dkr | one client sets up sshtunnel from server back to itself. other client ssh's to server at port the other one tunneled to itself |
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| 19:06.08 | khaije|calli | dkr: this is a two hop thing right? ssh to server then from that shell ssh to alt client? |
| 19:06.09 | dkr | or just run sshd one one of the clients, hhe |
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| 19:06.28 | khaije|calli | i don't want them to trust each other under normal cirumstances |
| 19:06.30 | dkr | khaije|calli: if you bound the tunnel to a localhost on the server, yes |
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| 19:07.44 | dkr | the tunnel only allows access, it doesn't allow authentication, i.e. you still ahev to type in passwords or use key exchange to login |
| 19:08.03 | khaije|calli | dkr: the thing i wasn't sure about is: if the reverse tunnel is ssh-encrypted, then isn't a ssh connection on that port double-encrypted? |
| 19:08.27 | khaije|calli | dkr: that'd be fine, i just don't want the clients to share info with each other |
| 19:08.27 | dkr | it is |
| 19:08.42 | dkr | unless you telnet through the ssh tunnel, heh |
| 19:08.49 | khaije|calli | right or rsh |
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| 19:09.02 | khaije|calli | ok i gotcha, thanks dkr |
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| 19:17.10 | Luffy1980 | Does anybody know what's the problem with the ncc package? There's been an updated upstream version for a little less than an year now. http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/report.php?package=ncc http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=ncc;dist=unstable |
| 19:17.28 | `ns` | debian/testing , after building googleearth with googleearth-package. and installing, googleearth attempts to start, but throws the following error and shuts down. Any ideas ? googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: libssl.so.0.9.8: undefined symbol: EVP_idea_cbc |
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| 19:18.16 | JordiGH | Am I on crack or is root's cronjob not run as root? |
| 19:19.50 | JPT | Oo |
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| 19:20.06 | JPT | nope... |
| 19:20.12 | JPT | root cronjob should be run as root |
| 19:20.16 | mesa_booger | `ns`: sounds like you need to install libssl0.9.8 |
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| 19:22.17 | jelly-home | mesa_booger: no, it sounds like the symbols in his libssl0.9.8 do not correspond to what the app was built with |
| 19:22.50 | `ns` | found the bug report with a possible workaround ... |
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| 19:27.18 | transplant | Q: I want to download/test just the minimal install for amd64. Is this the first DVD only? |
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| 19:28.01 | mesa_booger | jelly-home: praps you're right. i built googleearth too, and it was fairly broken fontwise. so i went back to 4.3.7284. there is another issue with "freetype" package as well. i had to make a blank one just to satisfy the dependency, since it is libfreetype6 in debian |
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| 19:28.08 | transplant | got it |
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| 19:30.31 | `ns` | hmmm, workaround worked :) that is always nice |
| 19:30.34 | enouf | Decepticon: fwiw, on anything xml, check out xlm2 pkg - it also contains html2 - ~$ apt-cache show xml2 |
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| 19:31.40 | enouf | oh well .. fxiny is gone too :-/ |
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| 19:33.03 | Luffy1980 | Does anybody know what's the problem with the ncc package? There's been an updated upstream version for a little less than an year now. http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/report.php?package=ncc http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=ncc;dist=unstable |
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| 19:34.39 | adb | judd: versions ncc |
| 19:34.39 | judd | adb: ncc -- lenny: 2.7-3 sid: 2.7-4 squeeze: 2.7-4 |
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| 19:41.04 | JordiGH | Is there something wrong with this crontab entry, if I want it to run once a day: 0 12 * * * rm -f /root/devdump-`date +%u-`*; mysqldump -u root -pTOPSECRET everything > /root/devdump-`date +%u-%b-%d-%Y`.sql |
| 19:41.22 | JordiGH | Is mysqldump not in root's path when crontab is run? |
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| 19:42.03 | stew | JordiGH: TOPSECRET isn't a very strong password :P |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | it is a good movie though! |
| 19:42.25 | JordiGH | stew: oh noes! we'll be bhacked. |
| 19:42.43 | JordiGH | Anyways, why is my cronjob not running? |
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| 19:43.26 | JordiGH | Does root get a path? |
| 19:43.43 | abrotman | you can check by explicitly using the full path |
| 19:43.46 | stew | JordiGH: it ceratinly can't hurt to specify the path |
| 19:44.06 | JordiGH | /usr/bin/rm ? |
| 19:44.07 | jelly-home | JordiGH: man 5 crontab |
| 19:44.30 | Nematocyst | apt-get install <foo> always complains about unmet dependencies in another package (one which I know damn well has unmet dependencies, and do NOT want installed). how can configure apt so it doesn't always complain about the unmet dependencies from some other package? |
| 19:44.38 | jelly-home | [...] Note in particular that if you want a PATH other than "/usr/bin:/bin", you will need to set it in the crontab file. |
| 19:44.40 | stew | JordiGH: /bin/rm /usr/bin/mysqldump |
| 19:45.02 | JordiGH | jelly-home: But that's where both of those are... |
| 19:45.10 | stew | Nematocyst: you can't configure it to not complain about unmet dependencies |
| 19:45.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: so rm should work, aye |
| 19:45.25 | stew | Nematocyst: what are the dependencies you don't want met and why? |
| 19:46.02 | Nematocyst | stew i installed wine with dpkg in order to avoid installation of audio, X, and font stuff (i'm not running a GUI). |
| 19:46.36 | Nematocyst | stew, all i needed was a console wine app to run, and it works fine w/out the dependencies... but now I can't use apt-get for other stuff |
| 19:47.01 | stew | Nematocyst: your options are to either create your own wine package without the dependencies, or to use equivs to fake the dependencies. the "build your own wine package" is a far better method |
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| 19:47.24 | JordiGH | Does cron log errors somewhere? |
| 19:47.32 | Nematocyst | stew thanks. kinda bummer though. ah well. |
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| 19:48.45 | JordiGH | syslogd |
| 19:49.02 | stew | JordiGH: by sending email |
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| 19:51.27 | hesco | debian-administration includes an article which mentions this tool: apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:51.41 | hesco | but I can't find it by apt-get. where would I find it? |
| 19:52.11 | hark | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:52.11 | dpkg | methinks apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package 'ssl-cert' instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520, or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
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| 19:54.33 | hesco | thanks hark |
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| 19:59.01 | alphakamp | is there a package group for kde? I would like install kde4 on a system that doesnt have X at all |
| 19:59.08 | alphakamp | ^testing |
| 19:59.26 | jelly-home | !install kde |
| 19:59.26 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
| 19:59.34 | jelly-home | !install kde4 |
| 19:59.34 | dpkg | The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 20:00.05 | gorp | ls |
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| 20:01.17 | alphakamp | tahts what I was looking for thanks |
| 20:01.18 | jelly-home | gorps_kiddie_pron.tgz |
| 20:01.39 | creature_ | kiddi porn where? |
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| 20:02.09 | creature_ | in /dev/mapper/truecrypt? |
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| 20:05.23 | Noble | Problems with wireless eth on a laptop with RF hw switch. Suggestions? |
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| 20:10.01 | jccampbell | I recall coming across a package to make a ramfs root for usb-stick debians but I can't remember what it was called? |
| 20:10.21 | abrotman | unetbootin ? |
| 20:10.27 | abrotman | was that what it was? |
| 20:10.37 | jccampbell | i don't see a unetbootin |
| 20:10.50 | jccampbell | no that's not it |
| 20:10.54 | jccampbell | it was in the repository |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:11.18 | stew | judd: versions unetbootin |
| 20:11.19 | judd | stew: unetbootin -- squeeze: 323-1 sid: 344-1 |
| 20:11.25 | jccampbell | it just added a thing so you |
| 20:11.35 | jccampbell | it wasn't unetbootin |
| 20:11.52 | jccampbell | it just added a thing so it would make / ro for faster usb stick access or something |
| 20:12.21 | jccampbell | what i really need is something that just (optionally) loads the whole system into ram so you can remove the usb stick |
| 20:13.41 | mamalujo | hm, In my sam |
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| 20:13.57 | jccampbell | any ideas? |
| 20:14.23 | ksnp | hi, anyone know how to turn off the web and exim server from debian ? i got them during the installation and i don't need them is there an aptitude command that removes all the files including the config files and shuts off the servers ? |
| 20:14.38 | jccampbell | yes |
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| 20:15.41 | ksnp | how can do it ? |
| 20:16.11 | jccampbell | ? in aptitude brings up the help |
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| 20:16.32 | mamalujo | what might be a common problem with sharing something in my /home on samba? All shares are configured identically, those from my /home refuse with 'no such file or directory', while those from a /mnt seem ok? |
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| 20:17.56 | mamalujo | thought permissions might be the issue, but putting the shared subdir to 777 didnt help |
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| 20:18.46 | rgammans | mamalujo, Do you have any perm force /mask commands though in the shares? |
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| 20:20.08 | craigevil | ksnp: why remove them just turn off the services, rcconf or sysv-rc-conf are easy tools to manage services |
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| 20:21.07 | mrbob009 | im getting a warning about S.M.A.R.T not being enabled for my drive during bootup... |
| 20:21.15 | mrbob009 | how do i go > enable that? |
| 20:21.57 | ksnp | jcc : what would be the name o the package for the web server ? |
| 20:22.04 | mamalujo | rgannabs, in the smb.conf? no, I have only path, available, browsable, public, writable set for each share identically. rest of the file is whatever was by default I believe. Except, security=share , I probably put that there |
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| 20:22.48 | mrbob009 | !smart |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | well, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 20:22.52 | ubsafder | hello how can i install the usage survey package ? |
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| 20:23.09 | ubsafder | please |
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| 20:23.51 | dondelelcaro | ubsafder: it's called popularity-contest |
| 20:23.53 | ubsafder | it is on a machine running lenny |
| 20:23.57 | rgammans | mamalujo, I Haven't used security=share for more years than I care to remember, It may be you problem ; security =user is pretty much std these days |
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| 20:25.02 | ubsafder | <dondelelcaro: many thx |
| 20:25.08 | mamalujo | log.smbd has some " getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected", perhaps from this share. Oh, thx, will try changing that |
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| 20:26.43 | ubsafder | how about setting time zone and ntp sync |
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| 20:26.54 | ubsafder | post install |
| 20:27.23 | abrotman | ubsafder: for which version of debian? |
| 20:27.36 | abrotman | ubsafder: uname -a |
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| 20:28.35 | mamalujo | rgammans, no, changing that didnt help, still same error. I think I changed that security param because of some years old memory of window users having issues with accessing my shares anonymously otherwise. |
| 20:28.40 | mrbob009 | [ 10.119277] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... |
| 20:28.44 | mrbob009 | what is this ^^ ? |
| 20:28.47 | ubsafder | consider it to be lenny |
| 20:28.58 | abrotman | no, which version of linux is it? |
| 20:29.07 | abrotman | it matters, or we wouldn't ask |
| 20:29.41 | rgammans | mamalujo, Probably - security=share is really a 9X compatibly thing for just that. |
| 20:29.59 | rgammans | mamalujo, Hmm. Same error and /home and /home/foo are mode 777 ? |
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| 20:30.09 | ubsafder | Linux asus-debian 2.6.19.2 |
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| 20:30.13 | jccampbell | ah yes |
| 20:30.21 | jccampbell | flashybrid |
| 20:30.23 | abrotman | ubsafder: isn't that Ubuntu ? |
| 20:30.26 | jccampbell | that is what i was looking for |
| 20:30.31 | ziren | if i do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' do i need to reboot to see the results? |
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| 20:30.41 | abrotman | at least restart X |
| 20:30.41 | JordiGH | ziren: No, just restart X. |
| 20:30.48 | dangerstat | just got some "turkcell" pop up when entering this channel - wtf is all that about guys?? |
| 20:30.53 | ziren | hmm ok ty |
| 20:30.55 | abrotman | dangerstat: he's gone |
| 20:31.01 | ubsafder | no itis a small server on a router |
| 20:31.08 | dangerstat | okay thanks abrotman |
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| 20:32.45 | mrbob009 | anyone? please |
| 20:33.43 | Dracie | mrbob009: pcspkr is the beep speaker afaik |
| 20:34.28 | mamalujo | rgammans, well. /home and /home/username werent, just the /home/username/foo was 777. but sec my samba FUSE is for some reason refusing to remount properly, so not sure if putting it so helped. But, sounds like an ackward sollution, not sure if I want to extend so much permissions to other subdirs of my home |
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| 20:35.37 | rgammans | mamalujo, It the directories permissions which control enumerated the files in it though , no the permission on the files themselves |
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| 20:38.01 | mamalujo | rgammans, well, it permissions on the /home or /home/username now it works. So, you're saying I cannot put more liberal permissions on only a single subdir, the shared one? |
| 20:38.04 | ubsafder | anyone for how about setting time zone and ntp sync on a custom build bebian |
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| 20:38.26 | mamalujo | it *was *the |
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| 20:39.07 | rgammans | mamalujo, Um. Not really . |
| 20:39.14 | junix | hey everyone, after installing ethcnhalf, i'm getting this error upon boot "usb1-1: device descriptor read/all, error -71" |
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| 20:39.19 | junix | i can't find a reason for it |
| 20:39.29 | Noble | Problems with wireless. lshw @ http://pastebin.com/m2452e0bf |
| 20:39.49 | mamalujo | rgammans, ah, ok, well, thx for solving my problem! |
| 20:39.56 | rgammans | !permissions |
| 20:39.56 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 20:40.41 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:40.46 | rgammans | mamalujo, I meant no you can but you need to read up one exactly what.. |
| 20:40.51 | Agiofws | can some one please tell me why xfce4 thinks i have a second screen CONNECTED to IT ? wtf is going on ? |
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| 20:41.05 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/52577 |
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| 20:41.29 | adb | ubsafder: ask your "custom build bebian" or google |
| 20:41.38 | Noble | Problems with wireless. lshw @ http://pastebin.com/m2452e0bf |
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| 20:42.17 | mrstocks | noble what exaclty is ur probl ? |
| 20:42.22 | mrstocks | sorry just arrive |
| 20:42.53 | Noble | The device should be supported right out of the box |
| 20:43.11 | Noble | However there is some kind of third party hardware switch to the wireless |
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| 20:43.38 | Noble | And it wont recognize that I turn the wireless on (which I have to do every on every boot" |
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| 20:45.12 | deco | is konsole better than gnome-terminal ? |
| 20:46.31 | azeem | deco: try both and decide for yourself |
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| 20:47.05 | ubsafder | adb: I did put it together it is more or less a lenny |
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| 20:47.33 | adb | !ntp |
| 20:47.33 | dpkg | i heard ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. See also <set time>. |
| 20:47.59 | junix | after installing ethcnhalf, i'm getting this error upon boot "usb1-1: device descriptor read/all, error -71", i'm not sure what to do, can't find much on google, but then if i turn off some of the USB ports i get, "Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev |
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| 20:53.49 | gnutun | hey all; is anyone familiar with how to build .deb packages that include python bindings? i'm having problems with the upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 20:58.01 | PointMan | do I need to add an auto eth0 in /etc/network/intefaces in order for my eth0 with static ip to be initialized at start up? |
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| 20:58.55 | mamalujo | rgammans, I see. I think execute for everyone on /home/me was missing, to enter the subdir, silly.. |
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| 21:01.30 | rgammans | mamalujo, Glad you got it sort. Missing exec bits are a common gotcha. |
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| 21:02.19 | ziren | i'd like to reduce xorg's memory footprint, but i don't really know what i'm doing. so far i switched from gnome to xfce and told x to talk directly to display hardware instead of going thru the kernel's framebuffer. but these things had minimal impact |
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| 21:02.31 | ziren | any suggestions? |
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| 21:04.03 | deco | is it safe to remove evolution ? |
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| 21:04.35 | azeem | deco: if you don't need its services, sure |
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| 21:05.01 | deco | azeem: ok thanks, don't need because i use alpine :P |
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| 21:05.56 | pav5088 | Hi... I'm using some experimental software and I'm having a schema issue. From their web forum it seems like the issue happens when running their software under Debian... but I can't really tell because the forum is in german, and my german is only as good as Google's. |
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| 21:06.05 | pav5088 | The error message is as follows : Opsi service error: [BackendIOError]{'info': 'no structural object class provided', 'desc': 'Object class violation'} |
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| 21:06.20 | pav5088 | The schema in question is here : http://pastebin.com/d26435be6 |
| 21:06.29 | pav5088 | The software is opsi. It allows automatic installation of winxp (and, with the latest version, vista and win7) over a network. |
| 21:06.39 | pav5088 | This happens via PXE boot. It also does hardware inventories, and also handles application deployments. |
| 21:06.48 | pav5088 | The forum discussion (in German) is here : https://forum.opsi.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79 |
| 21:06.49 | azeem | pav5088: what does that have to do with Debian? |
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| 21:07.08 | pav5088 | azeem : The problem seems to only happen on debian. |
| 21:07.44 | azeem | pav5088: did you try slackware? |
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| 21:08.42 | pav5088 | azeem, I used slackware in the 90's before moving to Debian... not since then though. :) |
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| 21:09.02 | azeem | pav5088: so how do you know it only happens on Debian? |
| 21:09.58 | pav5088 | azeem, because the forum topic reporting this problem suggests this.... but I can't be sure because it's in german, and I could be misinterpreting what it's saying. |
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| 21:11.31 | ajavid | hello, I have compiled a custom 2.6.29 kernel from bpo sources (on stable) , and I am trying to build fglrx and it fails to build. nothing special in the build log... someone here said that it also doesn't build on the default lenny kernel |
| 21:11.43 | ajavid | can any other ati/fglrx users confirm this for me? (I'm on amd64) |
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| 21:12.15 | ajavid | is ther something s pecial I need to do for amd64 other than whats in the factoids/wiki? |
| 21:12.19 | brabo | PointMan: you can specify the ip address like: http://pastebin.com/m8095a46 |
| 21:12.24 | ajavid | or does fglrx not work on amd64 or something? |
| 21:12.45 | PointMan | cool thanks |
| 21:13.16 | PointMan | how can you shut a service down? currently i issued a shutdown -h now, and its halting at stopping mysql server.. |
| 21:13.53 | Name1ess | PointMan: tried kill yet? |
| 21:13.54 | korhojoa | PointMan: /etc/init.d/mysql stop ? |
| 21:14.04 | korhojoa | yeah, kill was my next suggestion |
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| 21:14.09 | PointMan | korhojoa: well i dont have a prompt as its in the shutdown sequence |
| 21:14.22 | korhojoa | urr. use your power button |
| 21:14.22 | brabo | PointMan each service normally has a script in /etc/init.d/ eg /etc/init.d/ssh so you can do normally /etc/init.d/ssh stop/restart/start |
| 21:14.57 | PointMan | could it be messing up because i edited /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:15.22 | brabo | er.. PointMan shutdown -h now shuts down the pc, not a service |
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| 21:15.41 | korhojoa | PointMan: could be, maybe the server didn't like you changing interface parameters if you had it bound to a certain address/interface/whatever |
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| 21:15.58 | cemunal | is there a good screensaver in testing repo? |
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| 21:16.19 | bzrk | cemunal: xset dpms force off |
| 21:16.27 | bzrk | best there is |
| 21:16.34 | PointMan | korhojoa: k thanks |
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| 21:17.00 | cemunal | bzrk: :) |
| 21:17.06 | bzrk | ^^ |
| 21:17.16 | korhojoa | bzrk: screensaver? |
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| 21:17.45 | bzrk | korhojoa: why waste energy on drawing pointless stuff? |
| 21:18.05 | korhojoa | more like echo "poweroff" > /dev/ups1 |
| 21:18.11 | bzrk | ^^ |
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| 21:18.54 | cyclist | hi. Q: is the "minimal 180MB netdist" CD enough to provide a minimal distribution |
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| 21:19.04 | cyclist | without downloading anything else? |
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| 21:19.24 | korhojoa | i don't think it's called a netdist for no reason? |
| 21:19.39 | adama_ | not really |
| 21:19.43 | asg | cyclist: depends on your definition of distribution. It will provide a relatively bare Unix environment. |
| 21:19.43 | bzrk | cyclist: proably not |
| 21:19.45 | cyclist | well, i don't have network and i want to install minimal |
| 21:19.55 | cyclist | does it exist? |
| 21:20.03 | korhojoa | minimal as in a bash shell with nothing else? |
| 21:20.06 | bzrk | cyclist: you will have a shell and thats pretty much it |
| 21:20.17 | cyclist | bash + gcc, at least |
| 21:20.20 | korhojoa | basic tools like cp and dd but nothing advanced |
| 21:20.27 | korhojoa | not going to get gcc. |
| 21:20.39 | stew | cyclist: yes, the netinst cd can provide a minimal install without downloading anything else |
| 21:20.43 | cyclist | well, i can setup network afterwards and maybe apt-get |
| 21:20.47 | stew | cyclist: oh, but no, it would not have gcc |
| 21:20.59 | bzrk | cyclist: if you have net where is the problem? |
| 21:21.17 | cyclist | net will come much later, after i install a secure kernel |
| 21:22.06 | cyclist | secure: as with some custom security modules enabled |
| 21:22.08 | bzrk | cyclist: the netdist doesnt have the development tools needed for that |
| 21:22.39 | korhojoa | cyclist, can't you just get the cd version? |
| 21:22.55 | deco | cyclist: archlinux is perfect for you, the official iso only cames with bash etc.... |
| 21:23.01 | cyclist | the 6 CDs? or is just the first enough? |
| 21:23.02 | deco | comes* |
| 21:23.03 | korhojoa | isn't a business card cd something like 45-90 mb or so anyway? |
| 21:23.08 | korhojoa | cyclist: the first is enough |
| 21:23.11 | asg | cyclist: the first is enough |
| 21:23.27 | cyclist | OK |
| 21:23.28 | Name1ess | arch linux : /me shudders at the memory |
| 21:23.32 | korhojoa | you might want to look up which cd the secure kernel stuff is on though |
| 21:23.49 | deco | Name1ess: why:P |
| 21:23.49 | korhojoa | there might be something you need from the others |
| 21:24.25 | cyclist | no, download latest kernel and apply custom diff :) |
| 21:24.40 | Name1ess | deco: I am relative 'nix novice, and arch is like getting an engine. Now you need to install a frame, bolts to secure it, tires, wheels to mount them on, a hub to secure the wheels, etc.etc.etc. |
| 21:25.04 | deco | Name1ess: ah yeah not for noobies :P but i good learning experience |
| 21:25.08 | deco | a good * |
| 21:25.10 | Name1ess | indeed |
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| 21:27.28 | korhojoa | archlinux is like gentoo, but a bit easier |
| 21:27.35 | Name1ess | easier? |
| 21:27.38 | Name1ess | ? |
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| 21:27.44 | Name1ess | runs from gentoo |
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| 21:27.45 | deco | korhojoa: oh no don't compare it to gentoo |
| 21:27.52 | korhojoa | slackware? |
| 21:27.59 | deco | korhojoa: yeah |
| 21:28.02 | Name1ess | I am satisfied with Debian |
| 21:28.06 | korhojoa | same here. |
| 21:28.11 | korhojoa | i tried slackware |
| 21:28.13 | korhojoa | and gentoo |
| 21:28.18 | korhojoa | then i said <3 debian |
| 21:28.20 | deco | slackware is a nightmare really |
| 21:28.23 | deco | debian for life :P |
| 21:28.24 | stew | korhojoa: Name1ess: can you please move the comparison of distros to a better channel? perhaps ##linux, perhaps #debian-offtopic |
| 21:28.27 | mesa_booger | me 3.they are both lamer distros |
| 21:28.44 | Name1ess | stew : k |
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| 21:40.02 | infomomo | Hey guys, does anyone of you know which of the two desktops is better suited for "2Ghz - 1GB RAM PC's" : Debian 5 or Ubuntu 9.04? |
| 21:40.25 | jccampbell | Ubuntu isn't well suited for anything, lol. |
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| 21:40.48 | creature_ | its well suited for raping debian |
| 21:40.55 | mesa_booger | infomomo: if you want kde 3.5 then debian is the only choice, but even that is being phased out |
| 21:41.07 | jelly-home | infomomo: #debian won't be useful in answering that question |
| 21:41.18 | johndoevodka | i smell a troll |
| 21:41.21 | mesa_booger | ubuntu only offers kde 4 |
| 21:41.26 | nkuttler | infomomo: if you install debian you'll have access to the better support channel |
| 21:41.34 | infomomo | kde is lighter than gnome ? |
| 21:41.37 | mesa_booger | haha |
| 21:41.56 | azeem | infomomo: try both and keep whichever you prefer |
| 21:42.02 | infomomo | because what happened is that ubuntu 9.04 was lagging a bit on my box |
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| 21:42.09 | PointMan | OT: but do you guys how I move my .net domain to use a diff provider? |
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| 21:42.19 | infomomo | well i tried ubuntu 9.04, fedora 11, next is debian desktop |
| 21:42.23 | nkuttler | PointMan: you read you new provider's faq/docs |
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| 21:42.40 | jelly-home | infomomo: you can keep the distro, but change the desktop environment (try eg. xfce) |
| 21:42.43 | jccampbell | Ubuntu is useful for breaking gnome for no apparent reason. |
| 21:42.48 | johndoevodka | guys, does anyone know of any 40bit encryption algorithms |
| 21:42.51 | azeem | jccampbell: please keep it on topic |
| 21:42.56 | jccampbell | uh |
| 21:42.58 | jccampbell | DES? |
| 21:43.07 | johndoevodka | its more |
| 21:43.10 | azeem | johndoevodka: what does that have to do with Debian? |
| 21:43.15 | jccampbell | block size or key size |
| 21:43.19 | johndoevodka | key |
| 21:43.20 | deco | how can i remove evolution ? everytime i try it says gnome desktop will also be removed |
| 21:43.21 | infomomo | jelly-home: thanks for valuable input |
| 21:43.35 | azeem | deco: gnome is just a meta package |
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| 21:43.44 | azeem | if you don't care for the coherent gnome desktop, remove it along |
| 21:43.57 | deco | azeem: so its safe nothign else will be removed ? |
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| 21:44.22 | jccampbell | johndoevodka: ARC4 but its broken. Just use another one and pad/hash the key? |
| 21:44.37 | johndoevodka | jccampbell: thanks, i will |
| 21:44.37 | azeem | deco: well, check? |
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| 21:44.54 | deco | azeem: don't want to risk it :P |
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| 21:44.58 | jccampbell | johndoevodka: Why do you need a 40-bit key? |
| 21:45.31 | azeem | jccampbell, johndoevodka: please discuss this elsewhere, e.g. #debian-offtopic |
| 21:46.04 | jccampbell | Okay I made a script to boot a debian to ram really quick. |
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| 21:49.30 | deco | what's the name of the app that lets you know when there are updates? |
| 21:49.46 | FoxBlitzz | [17:41:21] <mesa_booger> ubuntu only offers kde 4 |
| 21:49.47 | jelly-home | azeem: metapackages + autoremoval can be disastrous |
| 21:49.50 | FoxBlitzz | They have a KDE 3.5 remix |
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| 21:50.11 | deco | FoxBlitzz: non official |
| 21:50.17 | mesa_booger | FoxBlitzz: in 9.04 ? |
| 21:50.20 | PointMan | how do i turn off alerts in the root account briefly? im getting spammed |
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| 21:50.25 | asg | deco: cron-apt can let you know ... if you want something gnomish, it's called update-manager or somesuch |
| 21:50.33 | azeem | update-notifier |
| 21:50.35 | asg | PointMan: /msg dpkg klogd |
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| 21:50.50 | PointMan | msg dpkg klogd |
| 21:50.52 | deco | asg: azeem thanks |
| 21:51.15 | FoxBlitzz | http://www.kubuntu.org/node/77 |
| 21:51.28 | PointMan | asg: it describes a perm fix, i just want it briefly :p |
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| 21:51.48 | jelly-home | azeem: a tool that unmarked auto from all the immediate dependencies, then tried to remove a package could be useful for deco |
| 21:52.00 | asg | PointMan: you can undo the fix after you are finished getting spamed |
| 21:52.11 | PointMan | asg: bah |
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| 21:52.42 | emorris | hi, I'm looking to test whether a machine has a working connection to the internet (not just that the interface is up or it is connected to the router) in a script. What's the best way of doing this? I was using ping before, but when the host you're pinging stops accepting ping requests, it obviously doesn't work. |
| 21:52.47 | asg | PointMan: then echo the correct value to /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 21:52.47 | \amethyst | jelly-home: like aptitude unmarkauto ~Rpackage; aptitude remove package ? |
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| 21:53.03 | \amethyst | jelly-home: oh, ~Dpackage dependencies, not reverse dependencies |
| 21:53.16 | \amethyst | err, no, I had it right the first time |
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| 21:53.34 | \amethyst | crawls back into the corner |
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| 21:55.24 | deco | azeem: thanks again i got it installed now :-) |
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| 21:56.27 | FoxBlitzz | IIRC Chakra also has KDE 3.5 but the LiveCD uses KDE4 |
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| 21:56.45 | FoxBlitzz | Chakra's Arch-based though |
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| 22:01.18 | russo | omg i can't silence igmpproxy |
| 22:01.35 | russo | how do i keep it from writing to the logs |
| 22:01.45 | russo | i just want all the output to go to /dev/null |
| 22:01.54 | apollyon | i'm aving some ussyes with audacious and streaming radio content, i'm using debian squeeze... audacius wont play streaming radio content, any way to trouble it? |
| 22:02.12 | apollyon | * i'm having some issues with* |
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| 22:02.16 | PointMan | how do i check which timezone lenny is setup to use? Im using ntp but the server is exactly 2 hours behind |
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| 22:02.51 | mesa_booger | PointMan: type "date" and see what it comes up with |
| 22:03.03 | PointMan | ah yes utc |
| 22:03.06 | PointMan | how do I change that? |
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| 22:03.42 | mesa_booger | PointMan: or look at /etc/timezone |
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| 22:03.55 | PointMan | weird |
| 22:04.01 | PointMan | its set to Europe/Copenhagen |
| 22:04.02 | dkr | PointMan: tzselect |
| 22:04.11 | PointMan | but thats not UTC |
| 22:04.44 | PointMan | so the time is in utc but the server is set to be in the right timezone |
| 22:06.14 | PointMan | tzselect doesnt seam to set the time of the system |
| 22:06.34 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.36 | OpenTokix | PointMan: no it doesent |
| 22:06.41 | OpenTokix | PointMan: only timezone |
| 22:06.43 | OpenTokix | PointMan: install ntp |
| 22:06.46 | PointMan | i did |
| 22:06.53 | PointMan | and its working, except im -2 hours |
| 22:06.58 | PointMan | well im not really |
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| 22:07.11 | PointMan | my system is keeping time in UTC when it should be doing it in CEST |
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| 22:07.54 | PointMan | how do I force it to use CEST? |
| 22:08.06 | Name1ess | PointMan - I remember dealing with that issue when installing. Searching ... |
| 22:08.12 | mesa_booger | PointMan: you can set the TZ variable, like it says in the postamble to tzselect |
| 22:08.39 | PointMan | mesa_booger: but that doesnt set it system wide |
| 22:09.08 | PointMan | i want the date command to return a date in CEST format |
| 22:09.26 | PointMan | and logging etc |
| 22:09.27 | Name1ess | Edit the following: /etc/default/rcS. Modify UTC to read UTC=yes (or no depending on what you are trying to achieve). |
| 22:09.27 | agaran | PointMan: /etc/localtime symlink to proper timezone? |
| 22:09.38 | Name1ess | info from http://underworldlabs.org/?p=18 |
| 22:09.43 | mesa_booger | PointMan: there are 2 issues here 1) whether your hardware clock is utc or local 2) which timezone/locale is set |
| 22:11.06 | PointMan | ok /etc/localtime consists of 2 lines, the first some rubbish phraze, the second says UTC0 |
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| 22:11.13 | Name1ess | and yes, /usr/bin/tzselect will set your time zone |
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| 22:12.02 | mesa_booger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.04 | PointMan | im int he right timezone already |
| 22:12.16 | stew | Name1ess: no, tzselect doesn't set your timezone, "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" does |
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| 22:12.48 | Name1ess | really? I thought The tzselect command will prompt you for your region and then offer you a list of cities within that region. |
| 22:13.15 | stew | Name1ess: yes, that's what it does |
| 22:13.38 | Name1ess | sorry - I call that a time zone. What is the proper term? |
| 22:13.46 | stew | Name1ess: it is a timezone |
| 22:14.09 | stew | Name1ess: it lets you select a timezone. it doesn't actually change anything, it just reports to you what the timezone is for a particular city |
| 22:14.19 | Name1ess | i see |
| 22:14.26 | mesa_booger | this is all my fault. i have unwittingly unleashed the full latent pedantry of #debian :) |
| 22:14.29 | PointMan | stew is right! |
| 22:14.35 | PointMan | thank you |
| 22:14.53 | stew | from the tzselect manpage, "Note that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for you. Use âdpkg-reconfigure tzdataâ to achieve this" |
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| 22:15.12 | Name1ess | i learn every day :) |
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| 22:16.51 | muling | 4sssssssssssaääääääääääääää |
| 22:16.57 | muling | Sorry, my Cat was walking on the Keyboard. :-) |
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| 22:19.59 | devD | I am confused in downloading debian lenny. there were about 5 dvds. |
| 22:20.18 | valdyn | !ig |
| 22:20.18 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.1) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 22:20.25 | infomomo | Hey guys, is this a debian install with xfce? debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso ? http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:20.43 | valdyn | infomomo: yes |
| 22:21.18 | infomomo | valdyn: so i dont need to go throught the install process with the normal cd followed by installing xfce? |
| 22:21.21 | gmap | i have a text file full of package names. how can i do something like apt-get install < pkg.list |
| 22:21.23 | infomomo | i can jut go directly :D |
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| 22:21.56 | infomomo | great |
| 22:21.59 | mesa_booger | gmap: apt-get install $(cat pkg.lst) |
| 22:22.16 | muling | devD: You *need* only the 1th Debian CD for an Installation. The Installer will download the needed Packages from a Mirror. |
| 22:22.50 | devD | muling, ist cd or dvd? |
| 22:23.47 | muling | devD: The first CD is enough. The DVD is way too much for a first Install if you don't need what you want/need. |
| 22:24.07 | muling | You could even download the netinstall .iso if you like |
| 22:24.20 | devD | ok |
| 22:24.44 | trematode | you probably only need netinstall iso, unless you dont have net connection |
| 22:25.01 | muling | But then the Time it takes to download the needed Packages for ex. a Desktop Environment is way longer. - If you don't have a fast Connection. |
| 22:26.06 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:26.10 | muling | ..But 1 mbit/s is really enough to do a fast Installation ;-) |
| 22:26.17 | ajehals | Are there any known issues with the unstable (unofficial?) netinst iso's? I can't seem to boot from it on an X31 or an X41 (either as a burned CD or from a USB stick...). |
| 22:26.34 | ajehals | Stable is fine though. |
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| 22:26.58 | ajehals | (so I just upgraded after a minimum install, but still) |
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| 22:27.46 | enouf | !DVD-too-much is The first CD is enough. The DVD is way too much for a first Install if you don't need what you want/need. But then the Time it takes to download the needed Packages for ex. a "Desktop Environment" (tasksel) is way longer if you don't have a fast connection. |
| 22:27.46 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 22:28.14 | enouf | someone touch that up if you care - heck, even give it a better name :-p |
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| 22:29.19 | enouf | !DVD-too-much is also Ask me about <netinstall> |
| 22:29.19 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 22:29.43 | Wizzup | Hello there. I have a *few* questions. I run a debian etch server, and I can only access it by means of SSH. If I wanted to upgrade to lenny, would it be much of a risk to do so? |
| 22:29.54 | Wizzup | Taking into account that I can NOT access the server physically, only by ssh |
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| 22:31.31 | enouf | Wizzup: known issues should be found in the info "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" will tell you, see release notes |
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| 22:32.09 | dondelelcaro | Wizzup: first off, you should always have a serial terminal for remote servers. |
| 22:32.23 | dondelelcaro | Wizzup: that said, upgrades to Debian systems generally just work |
| 22:32.56 | muling | enouf: I'm sorry if my English is not that perfect. I'm from Luxembourg and i just want to contribute something useful. :-) |
| 22:32.59 | trematode | Wizzup: the only issue I've had when doing what you described is sometimes your eth0 comes up as eth1, and vice versa. do you have more than one network interface ? |
| 22:33.18 | enouf | muling: ? what did i miss? |
| 22:33.34 | Spec | when I log in via ssh, my .bash_profile isn't being read (nor is .bashrc, which should be read via .bash_profile, which isn't being called) |
| 22:33.42 | Spec | what's responsible for calling .bash_profile upon ssh connection? |
| 22:33.54 | enouf | muling: were you logged in recently as someone else? |
| 22:34.05 | dondelelcaro | Spec: bash |
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| 22:34.22 | enouf | loathes irssi's way of sending /whois and other things to other backgrounded windows |
| 22:34.29 | trematode | Spec: you could put "echo 'THIS IS MY .bash_profile" in your .bash_profile and figure it out |
| 22:34.54 | Name1ess | Spec: what is the result of echo $SHELL? |
| 22:34.55 | Wizzup | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure if my host offers that. enouf, will check. trematode, no, I have only one, afaik |
| 22:35.01 | Spec | he |
| 22:35.06 | Spec | dondelelcaro: thanks, that was it ;) |
| 22:35.07 | dondelelcaro | Spec: see man bash; specifically the INVOCATION section |
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| 22:35.14 | Spec | dondelelcaro: silly shell was set to /bin/sh |
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| 22:35.22 | KungFuJesus | Hello, I've been looking everywhere for documentation on how to use the new cachefs in 2.6.30, what do I need to do? |
| 22:35.26 | Name1ess | :) |
| 22:35.35 | muling | Ahm, i tought you were mocking about me. Sorry.. No, i wasn't logged in as someone else. That's my registered Nick at Freenode. |
| 22:35.38 | trematode | Wizzup: it'll probably work fine. except when it doesn't ! |
| 22:35.52 | dondelelcaro | Spec: uh... /bin/sh is normally bash on Debian. |
| 22:36.10 | Spec | dondelelcaro: switching it to /bin/bash made it read .bash_profile |
| 22:36.17 | KungFuJesus | I'd like to utilize the cachefs for NFS |
| 22:36.27 | Spec | dondelelcaro: and /bin/sh is a symlink to bash |
| 22:36.30 | Wizzup | trematode: Heh. Ok, thanks |
| 22:36.33 | Spec | dondelelcaro: so i'm not sure why that fixed it ... but it did |
| 22:36.56 | Name1ess | dondelelcaro: I learned earlier today that /bin/sh loads looking like /sh - not using the bash profile |
| 22:37.17 | Spec | Name1ess: oh? |
| 22:37.29 | Spec | but it's a symlink to bash o.O |
| 22:37.31 | Name1ess | it's already scrolled off my buffer, but yeah |
| 22:38.00 | Name1ess | someone else had colors set for bash, and had to do /bin/bash to get them |
| 22:38.04 | dondelelcaro | Name1ess: yes, this is explained very specifically in the aformentioned bash manpage section |
| 22:38.10 | Name1ess | kk |
| 22:38.21 | dondelelcaro | Spec: you really need to read bash(1), specifically the INVOCATION section |
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| 22:40.25 | Spec | dondelelcaro: it says when it's symlinked as sh it mimics original shell behavior |
| 22:40.37 | Spec | dondelelcaro: gah, i see, it reads .profile, and not .bash_profile |
| 22:41.33 | gmap | mesa_boooger thanks. so that $(command) works for any command? |
| 22:42.09 | mesa_booger | gmap: pretty much. it's very similar to `command` |
| 22:43.42 | pipegeek | gmap: exactly the same, I think, at least according to the bash documentation: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_04.html |
| 22:44.11 | mesa_booger | gmap: also, when you cat "inside backticks" and assign to a var, newlines are turned into spaces. (which always helps) |
| 22:44.22 | pipegeek | except that with backticks, certain special characters still hold their meaning |
| 22:44.28 | pipegeek | whereas with $() they don't |
| 22:44.37 | gmap | mesa_booger yes i noticed. this is great |
| 22:44.42 | mesa_booger | and there is a nesting issue too |
| 22:45.00 | pipegeek | oh point |
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| 22:47.24 | mesa_booger | an example script using all sorts of fancy shell stuff. not fully debugged, but still useful - http://nopaste.com/p/astGuFPLhb |
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| 22:48.01 | gmap | i created a 300mb image file using the dd command. is there a way to increase the size of this image after it was made? |
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| 22:49.02 | OpenTokix | gmap: increase with nothing? |
| 22:49.24 | gmap | yea |
| 22:50.23 | OpenTokix | cp file1 file2; cat file2 >> file1 |
| 22:50.27 | MrWax | Hi, I have this problem. I have registered the domain www.macpov.com, and assigned it to the IP i'm using on my webserver aswell as I did this for *.macpov.com.. also created a new conf in /etc/sites-available called macpov.com.conf (with these contents -> http://development.midegro.com/macpov.com.conf.txt) - www.macpov.com works fine and directs to the correct dir, /home/macpov/WWW.. but just http://macpov.com doesn't.. it redirects to my main page.. does |
| 22:50.35 | MrWax | the /etc/sites-available .conf i ofcourse symlinked to a valid entry in /etc/sites-enabled |
| 22:51.02 | themill | mesa_booger: you may wish to "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" to see a way of cloning that preserves information about which packages were automatically installed. |
| 22:51.28 | dondelelcaro | MrWax: you're missing a ServerAlias *.macpov.com |
| 22:51.30 | RichiH | if anyone in here has a suggestion for undeleting files from an image of a vfat partition and keeping the directory structure intact (we are talking ~20k and 56 GiB files here)... shoot |
| 22:52.03 | mesa_booger | themill: ok thanks |
| 22:52.05 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: how should I put this? |
| 22:52.13 | MrWax | just add the line with only ServerAlias *.macpov.com? |
| 22:52.16 | dondelelcaro | MrWax: exactly like I said it. |
| 22:52.44 | dondelelcaro | MrWax: it needs to be in the virtual host. You also should be using a2ensite instead of symlinking things manually, if you haven't already figured that out. |
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| 22:54.02 | c0m1 | Question. This tutorial says I can add noatime flags in fstab in order to speed up performance. Any downside to this? |
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| 22:54.17 | Tramp | c0m1: you have no atime |
| 22:54.20 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: i did what you said, but still stays same |
| 22:54.26 | dondelelcaro | c0m1: you want relatime; there's no point to noatime. |
| 22:54.57 | c0m1 | dondelelcaro: what is the difference? |
| 22:55.05 | mesa_booger | themill: i use that clone script to try out various packages, and automagically go back to the previous state. there are (minor) issues with some things, but on the whole it does an ok job |
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| 22:55.14 | dondelelcaro | c0m1: man mount |
| 22:55.27 | dondelelcaro | MrWax: did you reload apache? |
| 22:55.46 | dondelelcaro | MrWax: have you restarted your browser? |
| 22:55.50 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:55.51 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: no |
| 22:56.02 | MrWax | done now |
| 22:56.03 | MrWax | stays same |
| 22:56.10 | MrWax | http://macpov.com links to my main page |
| 22:56.58 | themill | mesa_booger: if it works, stick with it :) (but remember the limitations of not limiting the output of dpkg in the cloning). You may also like to look at the cowdancer package for a way of quickly creating a disposable chroot for testing/playing/compiling packages. |
| 22:57.18 | gmap | OpenTokix resize2fs did the trick, thanks |
| 22:57.56 | dondelelcaro | MrWax: run apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS; and see what is output. Provide your new configuration. |
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| 22:58.45 | mesa_booger | themill: cool. but i must say i don't wear a cycle helmet either. it tends to make me pay more attention |
| 23:00.02 | gmap | im building a debian system from debootstrap. how do I know if i should use lenny, sid, etch, or sarge? |
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| 23:00.31 | dondelelcaro | gmap: generally if you're asking, the answer is lenny. But that's something you have to figure out for yourself. |
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| 23:01.01 | gmap | dondelelcaro, ill trust ur opinion ;) thx |
| 23:01.54 | njk- | what is /var/log/installer/cdebconf/templates.dat |
| 23:03.41 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: sec |
| 23:05.14 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: http://development.midegro.com/dondelelcaro.txt |
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| 23:12.16 | MrWax | dondelelcaro: any clue what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 23:17.39 | ajavid | hey |
| 23:17.56 | ajavid | can one install debian stable inside an chroot in debian sid and put apache there and have it run? will that work? |
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| 23:23.29 | ma3x | how do you include linux-kbuild when compiling kernel with make-kpkg |
| 23:23.32 | ma3x | what's the --swtich? |
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| 23:25.20 | ajavid | huh |
| 23:25.35 | ma3x | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.27.1/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 23:25.37 | ma3x | i get that error |
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| 23:26.20 | ma3x | oh it's a symlink |
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| 23:27.25 | icarus_squared | what's the biggest difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 23:27.49 | kgoetz | one is dropped by a flying elephant down your chimney |
| 23:28.08 | ajavid | I think i just found my perfect combination |
| 23:28.38 | ajavid | debian stable chroot for lamp, sid chroot for packaging, kubuntu 9.04 desktop w/ kde4, 2.6.29+, xorg 7.4 |
| 23:28.41 | ajavid | maybe? |
| 23:29.12 | ajavid | alright, thats what I'm doing |
| 23:29.28 | icarus_squared | ugh why does debian 5.0 ship with kernel .26? |
| 23:29.31 | icarus_squared | i really need .29 + |
| 23:29.36 | jpinx | ajavid: afaik a chroot runs on your main system kernel, not as an independent system |
| 23:29.56 | jpinx | !tell icarus_squared about backports |
| 23:30.03 | mesa_booger | icarus_squared: ubuntu uses upstart, debian uses a common-or-garden sysvinit |
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| 23:30.16 | icarus_squared | ok |
| 23:30.23 | kgoetz | why should debian 5 ship with a kernel that wasnt released at 5.0 time? |
| 23:30.33 | icarus_squared | if I do a netinst does that get me kernel .26 or .28? |
| 23:30.56 | jpinx | kgoetz: the kernel is updated |
| 23:30.56 | dmoerner | icarus_squared, .26, if you do a netinst of testing you get 2.6.29 |
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| 23:31.08 | jpinx | icarus_squared: read the relaese notes |
| 23:31.14 | icarus_squared | what about a netinst of stable? |
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| 23:31.27 | kgoetz | jpinx, for hm? |
| 23:31.31 | mesa_booger | also, altho they both have 3 vowels in the name, ubuntu just uses u |
| 23:31.53 | jpinx | icarus_squared: stable comes with .26 |
| 23:31.57 | icarus_squared | oh |
| 23:32.28 | jpinx | icarus_squared: you can upgrade the kernel if you want - |
| 23:32.46 | icarus_squared | i remember having an argument with someone about hard it was |
| 23:32.51 | icarus_squared | to upgrade the kernel in debian |
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| 23:33.16 | jpinx | icarus_squared: if you have to ask what the differences are between ubuntu and debian - you probably should stick with ubuntu |
| 23:33.25 | icarus_squared | lol |
| 23:33.29 | icarus_squared | I use gentoo as my main distro |
| 23:33.33 | icarus_squared | so I'm not a newb |
| 23:33.35 | icarus_squared | i'm just curious |
| 23:33.40 | nsadmin | icarus_squared: depends on the kernel in the netinst image |
| 23:33.50 | dkr | since when does using gentoo mean you aren't a newb? |
| 23:33.52 | themill | dpkg: tell icarus_squared about why debian |
| 23:33.54 | jpinx | if you're curious -rtfm;) |
| 23:34.49 | icarus_squared | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso <-- is this kernel .26 or .28? |
| 23:35.02 | icarus_squared | dkr, I'm not going to get into a distro flamewar with you. |
| 23:35.19 | jpinx | icarus_squared: read the notes |
| 23:35.21 | adb | .26 |
| 23:35.22 | nsadmin | icarus_squared: would it make a difference? |
| 23:35.38 | icarus_squared | nsadmin, yes it would, because the ath5k drivers that are pre .28 are not stable. |
| 23:35.50 | nsadmin | oh, ok... |
| 23:36.02 | mesa_booger | i use ath5k chipset here. but ndiswrappered |
| 23:36.05 | nsadmin | so you couldn't get on the net in any way? |
| 23:36.07 | icarus_squared | right |
| 23:36.10 | icarus_squared | nsadmin, right. |
| 23:36.14 | themill | icarus_squared: as already noted, 2.6.29 is available from backports.org |
| 23:36.28 | icarus_squared | i don't know how to use backports. |
| 23:36.47 | jpinx | icarus_squared: a n00b can do that |
| 23:37.00 | themill | dpkg: tell icarus_squared about bpo |
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| 23:37.03 | jpinx | !tell icarus_squared about baclports |
| 23:37.05 | jpinx | again |
| 23:37.08 | icarus_squared | anyways, it's just a pain in the ass because I would have to hack things up before I can get access to the internet |
| 23:37.25 | jpinx | !tell icarus_squared about backports |
| 23:37.26 | nsadmin | what you can do, is go ahead and install from that, the base of debian is on the cd, then later grab the .deb from backports (someone should help with that) and then install it in the old manual method using dpkg |
| 23:37.31 | themill | !kmuto |
| 23:37.32 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:37.37 | nsadmin | then you should be all set |
| 23:37.48 | icarus_squared | that's a huge hassel |
| 23:37.50 | mesa_booger | the ath5k in .26 works well enough to download and install ndiswrapper. what more do you need ? :) |
| 23:37.59 | jpinx | !lazy |
| 23:37.59 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 23:38.06 | icarus_squared | no there's a difference between laziness |
| 23:38.11 | icarus_squared | and not wanting to go through hassles |
| 23:38.28 | icarus_squared | You could walk to work everyday, but instead I'm sure you'd rather drive. |
| 23:38.29 | themill | icarus_squared: you install once and use for how many years? What's a little hassle? (and seriously, how much hassle is it?) |
| 23:38.40 | themill | icarus_squared: err... I'd rather walk, actually |
| 23:38.52 | jpinx | icarus_squared: I walk |
| 23:39.04 | mesa_booger | i walk or cycle |
| 23:39.07 | icarus_squared | sigh |
| 23:39.21 | icarus_squared | i was just making a simple analogy, I work about 30 minutes driving from where I live |
| 23:39.24 | themill | icarus_squared: you've been given 4 ways to do it. Sigh all you want. |
| 23:39.39 | icarus_squared | Whatever. |
| 23:39.44 | icarus_squared | None of them are simple. |
| 23:39.51 | mesa_booger | just your luck eh, to end up in a channel of argumentative ecofiends :) |
| 23:39.54 | jpinx | icarus_squared: make a decision - do something |
| 23:39.54 | icarus_squared | Because I still need to somehow get access to the internet afterwards |
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| 23:40.15 | themill | Coming from someone who uses gentoo, all are simple. |
| 23:40.16 | dkr | use the IP over avian carrier protocol |
| 23:40.27 | ajavid | lol |
| 23:40.30 | jpinx | icarus_squared: you plug in teh ethernet cable , boot and it connects -- where's the hassles |
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| 23:40.46 | icarus_squared | jpinx, we have a shared connection via wireless. |
| 23:40.47 | ajavid | use the african swallows |
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| 23:41.00 | ajavid | oh no.. wait, don't the the africa swallows they are not migratory |
| 23:41.02 | icarus_squared | If you're going to be asshats, then I'm done here. |
| 23:41.03 | jpinx | icarus_squared: intall wicd and hit "go" |
| 23:41.03 | mesa_booger | fully-laden ? |
| 23:41.07 | mrtnt | what is the name of the package where (Apache, PHP, MySQL) are all together? It should be one package and very simple to install, but i can't remember the name. |
| 23:41.15 | icarus_squared | jpinx, I need the internet to apt-get wicd. |
| 23:41.25 | ajavid | mrtnt, tasksel task not a package |
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| 23:41.28 | ajavid | !lamp |
| 23:41.28 | dpkg | somebody said lamp was Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
| 23:41.42 | nsadmin | icarus_squared which you would have once you're done |
| 23:42.00 | icarus_squared | nsadmin, but the problem is getting it in the first place. |
| 23:42.12 | jpinx | fails to see icarus_squared 's problem |
| 23:42.23 | spaztik | hey guys, i have an issue where i'm trying to do an update, and during the update i get an error about locale stuff; through google searching i see i need the package "locales", which won't install cuz i was in the middle of the upgrade, and now aptitude thinks i need xfce4-panel before I can continue, which fails due to not having the locale working properly... any ideas? |
| 23:42.25 | ajavid | tasksel --task-packages web-server |
| 23:42.28 | themill | icarus_squared: you could be done by now if you'd just followed the advice rather than arguing about how hard it was to do |
| 23:42.30 | ajavid | just install those manually or use tasksel |
| 23:42.34 | ajavid | its the same thing |
| 23:42.35 | nsadmin | why do you need it early? |
| 23:42.45 | icarus_squared | themill, will you just be quiet. |
| 23:42.50 | icarus_squared | I've done it once before with Etch |
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| 23:42.56 | icarus_squared | and it took about 3 days. |
| 23:43.02 | icarus_squared | I don't have 3 days. |
| 23:43.03 | icarus_squared | Sorry. |
| 23:43.09 | ajavid | mrtnt, got it? |
| 23:43.09 | nsadmin | this is not going to take 3 days :P |
| 23:43.15 | jpinx | wtf were you doing for 3 days??? |
| 23:43.23 | icarus_squared | Finding a land cable. |
| 23:43.31 | Zesturian | Hmm, without su or sudo, anyway I can run a command under another user? This user doesn't have a shell, just /bin/false |
| 23:43.38 | mrtnt | ajavid: no really, I was reading man page of tasksel |
| 23:43.43 | mesa_booger | a gentoo user who doesn't have 3 days. hmmmm something wrong with *that* picture |
| 23:43.55 | dkr | Zesturian: setuid bit |
| 23:43.56 | ajavid | mrtnt, run tasksel |
| 23:44.01 | ajavid | mrtnt, select the webserver task |
| 23:44.05 | spaztik | any help on the locale stuff guys? |
| 23:44.08 | ajavid | mrtnt, hit enter, rejoice |
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| 23:44.11 | icarus_squared | Gentoo is quit easy to use, I just don't have th patience to compile from source any more. |
| 23:44.15 | icarus_squared | quite* |
| 23:44.16 | themill | Zesturian: "ssh user@localhost command" if you're feeling perverse |
| 23:44.23 | jpinx | Zesturian: I think the other user will need a shell |
| 23:44.29 | mrtnt | ajavid: ok, now I see :D |
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| 23:44.38 | Zesturian | Yep, other user is root :P |
| 23:44.42 | jpinx | themill: :) |
| 23:44.46 | ajavid | mrtnt, don't forget to rejoice |
| 23:44.51 | ajavid | mrtnt, thats a very important step |
| 23:45.02 | Zesturian | Thanks dkr, that looks like what I want. |
| 23:45.03 | dkr | Zesturian: change the shell to a restricted bash shell |
| 23:45.07 | nsadmin | so you're just another guy who's found different use for your time |
| 23:45.08 | mrtnt | ajavid: what is rejoice? |
| 23:45.13 | ajavid | mrtnt, be happy! |
| 23:45.15 | Zesturian | What's the path for that dkr? |
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| 23:45.40 | dkr | Zesturian: /bin/rbash |
| 23:45.55 | dkr | man bash explains it, how to restrict what they can run |
| 23:46.04 | Zesturian | Thanks, I'll get man'ing |
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| 23:46.21 | nsadmin | icarus_squared: with either debian or ubuntu, it's a totally different thing, you're going to have to get used to how it is... that's going to take time... are you sure you're prepared to do that? |
| 23:46.30 | shivraj | how to mount google share on your box ? |
| 23:46.43 | bsssh | Hey! I have a "?"(yes I asked google :/ with no resultes..) Can I enable thumbnailers for DESKTOP in xfce? Thunar generates them inside own window, but not on Desktop. Ie I can view the Desktop folder in Thunar - thumbnails are here, but on desktop itself - only icons. Maybe someone knows where should I read,.. I asked on xfce channel and ppl are sleeping there... |
| 23:47.00 | icarus_squared | nsadmin, of course I realize that, I did adjust to gentoo of all things. |
| 23:47.14 | ajavid | shivraj, google share? |
| 23:47.18 | ajavid | wtf is google share? |
| 23:47.26 | ajavid | I use gmail fuse fs |
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| 23:47.29 | ajavid | is that it? |
| 23:47.31 | icarus_squared | But the problem I don't think debian's philosophy fits me. You guys have been helpful in making me realize that. Thanks for your time. |
| 23:47.32 | dkr | it's like amazon s3 |
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| 23:47.39 | jpinx | shivraj: you mean gmail ? |
| 23:47.49 | ajavid | icarus_squared, fantastic |
| 23:47.58 | ajavid | now get steppin' |
| 23:47.59 | nsadmin | icarus_squared: so if you're willing to do that, why are you not willing to go through the minimal effort to give it a shot? |
| 23:48.04 | mesa_booger | another satisfied canadian |
| 23:48.08 | icarus_squared | nsadmin, I've used debian Etch before. |
| 23:48.14 | dkr | icarus is now cubed |
| 23:48.16 | shivraj | jpinx: yes |
| 23:48.17 | ajavid | what is the problem here? |
| 23:48.27 | ajavid | what is he bitching and moaning about? |
| 23:48.43 | dkr | don't worry about it. not worth it |
| 23:48.55 | icarus_squared | When I installed etch it didn't even detect my monitor or graphics drivers. ath5k didn't come with the drivers. I didn't have access to the internet. I didn't know how to use links/lynx back then. |
| 23:48.59 | jpinx | shivraj: you can mount it in your iceweasel browser or on your filesystem |
| 23:49.02 | icarus_squared | dkr feel free to ignore me. |
| 23:49.04 | ajavid | unless someone holds a gun upto your asshole and says use debian or I'm fuck you with it, I don't see a problem. |
| 23:49.16 | dkr | icarus_squared: feel free to not tell people what to do |
| 23:49.17 | ajavid | why are you still using etch? |
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| 23:49.20 | icarus_squared | I'm not. |
| 23:49.23 | Zesturian | For the setuid bit to work, does it need a shell of some form dkr? |
| 23:49.25 | icarus_squared | I tried _Etch_ before. |
| 23:49.32 | ajavid | use lenny? |
| 23:49.40 | ajavid | if you can't make it work, use something that holds your hand |
| 23:49.45 | ajavid | try ubuntu or knoppix |
| 23:49.47 | dkr | Zesturian: yeah, that's what i also recommended rbash, so you can allow them to run that command |
| 23:49.51 | jpinx | ajavid: dftt |
| 23:49.52 | ajavid | you're not obligated to use debian. |
| 23:50.13 | Zesturian | Ah, I see, thanks. |
| 23:50.18 | nsadmin | ajavid: past tense |
| 23:50.38 | dkr | Zesturian: oh, hm, actually, you could make the setuid ocmmand their shell. didn't think of that. heh. you'd just have to add it to /etc/shells |
| 23:50.42 | jpinx | ajavid: "obliged to..." |
| 23:50.49 | ajavid | obliged? |
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| 23:50.54 | nsadmin | icarus_squared: have you even tried to look at that .jp site to see what installers are there? |
| 23:50.56 | ajavid | that makes no sesne |
| 23:51.03 | ajavid | obligated is the right term |
| 23:51.17 | jpinx | hands ajavid the OED |
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| 23:51.25 | ajavid | whats an oed? |
| 23:51.27 | mesa_booger | noblesse oblige |
| 23:51.34 | icarus_squared | the jp site? |
| 23:51.39 | themill | dpkg: tell ajavid about oed |
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| 23:51.44 | ajavid | ah |
| 23:51.48 | ajavid | what about webster? |
| 23:51.55 | ajavid | too american for ya? |
| 23:51.57 | Zesturian | setuid command as in chmod dkr? |
| 23:51.58 | themill | icarus_squared: [00:37] <dpkg> For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:52.08 | mesa_booger | what about chambers, more like |
| 23:52.09 | dkr | Zesturian: yeah |
| 23:52.11 | jpinx | ajavid: we speak english - not american ;) |
| 23:52.12 | icarus_squared | ah |
| 23:52.17 | ajavid | lol |
| 23:52.22 | kml | i cat client.ca-bundle >> ca-bundle certificate file |
| 23:52.24 | Zesturian | Sounds like a better setup |
| 23:52.30 | ajavid | you don't speak it, so much as chew it up and spit it out |
| 23:52.31 | icarus_squared | thank you, I've been bombarded with dpkg messages, that must have slipped through. |
| 23:52.36 | ajavid | who the hell can understand an english accent? |
| 23:52.37 | ajavid | I can't. |
| 23:52.42 | kml | does order i append the ca-bundle matter? if add to the being or middle |
| 23:53.05 | jpinx | kml: it appends to the end |
| 23:53.09 | nsadmin | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:53.16 | dkr | ajavid: chin'up, guv'nah'. jus' takin thuh piss, mate. cheerio |
| 23:53.24 | kml | the order does matter? |
| 23:53.25 | themill | heh |
| 23:53.25 | ajavid | pip pip, cheerio! |
| 23:53.28 | ajavid | lol |
| 23:53.39 | mesa_booger | ajavid: you are so right, cor blimey leave it out up the apples-and-pears |
| 23:53.51 | kml | it has to be the end? |
| 23:54.07 | jpinx | kml: cat somefile >> anotherfile |
| 23:54.21 | ajavid | we're gonna put your skitters on your allen wickers, you plonker |
| 23:54.33 | ajavid | you're all furcoats and no trousers, you are |
| 23:54.34 | kml | if don't use >> and just cat and past it |
| 23:54.50 | kml | can i add it to the being |
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| 23:55.11 | mesa_booger | "fur coat and nae knickers" is glaswegian for edinburgh women btw |
| 23:55.15 | jpinx | kml: no - it will overwrite the existing |
| 23:55.33 | cantido | mesa_booger: that actually makes a lot of sense.. |
| 23:55.40 | ajavid | should move to #debian-chat before we get policed |
| 23:55.42 | ajavid | offtopic |
| 23:55.42 | jpinx | wha fit ma loon |
| 23:55.43 | kml | do know you how ca-bundle single certificate works? |
| 23:56.04 | jpinx | kml no |
| 23:56.43 | kml | than how do know i can't add it to the being? |
| 23:57.01 | cantido | I'm having issues serving stuff up on https with apache, browsers are complaing .. Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long, do I need to disable some CA's or something? |
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| 23:57.23 | PerryArmstrong | can anyone tell me how i can create a front end for tasksel |
| 23:57.26 | bsssh | thanks for you help, debian guys... :/ |
| 23:57.31 | jpinx | ca-bundle is not in stable kml |
| 23:57.54 | kml | can you point me to the source where said you have to append ca-bundle to the end |
| 23:58.04 | jpinx | judd: versions ca-bundle |
| 23:58.04 | judd | jpinx: ca-bundle -- |
| 23:58.07 | ajavid | PerryArmstrong, it already has one |
| 23:58.12 | ajavid | PerryArmstrong, just type tasksel and its a front end |
| 23:58.19 | ajavid | what other front end do you want |
| 23:58.28 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: first of all the choices for what to use as toolkit/api are pretty much vast |
| 23:58.32 | ajavid | PerryArmstrong, if you wan tto customise the tasks, then make your own tasks/lists |
| 23:58.49 | jpinx | sorry kml can't understand what you are really trying to do |
| 23:59.00 | ajavid | PerryArmstrong, if you want something gui, look into wx-python |
| 23:59.18 | ajavid | which serves no purpose anyway |
| 23:59.28 | kml | if you don't how can you answer my question, haha... |
| 23:59.43 | ajavid | leave tasksel alone, it doesn't need a gui |
| 23:59.57 | jpinx | kml: try framing your question differently |
| 23:59.58 | ajavid | work on creating/bettering already created tasks in debian |