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| 00:00.20 | kml | ok... |
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| 00:00.57 | PerryArmstrong | ajavid, nsadmin; i am doing a project in which while installing OS, if the user specifies a particular metapackage, he can select the option from the UI and thus get the packages installed....i want to build this UI...i dont know which langyage to use for this...and remember that this UI will come up when installing the OS |
| 00:01.21 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: using d-i? |
| 00:01.28 | adb | PerryArmstrong: which OS ? |
| 00:01.28 | nsadmin | your choices are vast |
| 00:01.32 | jpinx | !tell kml about smart questions |
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| 00:01.36 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: d-i already has task selection... |
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| 00:01.46 | kml | does the order matter when it comes to adding the client ca-bundle certicate to existing ca-bundle file? |
| 00:01.51 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; whats d-i |
| 00:01.58 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: Debian installer |
| 00:02.01 | themill | PerryArmstrong: I still don't think you need a toolkit or anything like that... you just need to feed the installer task description. |
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| 00:02.19 | PerryArmstrong | adb; we have locally created an OS call eswecha based on debian for engineering students in our state |
| 00:02.42 | themill | PerryArmstrong: did you grab the source for tasksel and read through the README there? |
| 00:02.43 | kml | i have a ca-bundle with other other certificates and now i need to add additional client ca-bundle to it. |
| 00:02.45 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: Does it use the standard installer or is it some debootstrap munge up? |
| 00:03.02 | kml | does it ring any bills now? |
| 00:03.31 | nsadmin | Bill Gates? |
| 00:03.42 | kml | jpinx, ding, ding...? |
| 00:03.54 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; whats standard installer....do you remember..if you install debian, you get an option to choose Desktop systems, Web Server, Laptop, etc.....we have to buid the same UI |
| 00:04.03 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; whats standard installer....do you remember..if you install debian, you get an option to choose Desktop systems, Web Server, Laptop, etc.....we have to build the same UI |
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| 00:04.08 | nsadmin | a bill doesn't sound like that, and likely can't be rung! |
| 00:04.18 | kml | haha... |
| 00:04.19 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: the standard installer, crazy enough, is called debian-installer |
| 00:04.27 | adb | PerryArmstrong: running ubuntu ? |
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| 00:04.42 | kml | ping ping ping... |
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| 00:04.58 | jpinx | kml http://info.ssl.com/Article.aspx?id=10741 |
| 00:05.03 | Akuw | i need to open a file with mht extension |
| 00:05.06 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: the "Desktop systems" etc bit is tasksel IIRC, you'd need to look into the d-i docs to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure thats what it is |
| 00:05.09 | PerryArmstrong | adb; i personally use ubuntu 9.04...but ,my project is based on debian...and even ubuntu is based on debian |
| 00:05.18 | cantido | Akuw: What does file say it is? |
| 00:05.25 | mesa_booger | "i'm going to rewrite the linux kernel. just as soon as i figure out how to exit this editor" |
| 00:05.32 | themill | cantido: yes, it's tasksel |
| 00:05.40 | jpinx | Akuw: what is it? |
| 00:05.42 | Akuw | is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHTML |
| 00:05.46 | cantido | themill: Thought so :) |
| 00:05.46 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: yes well the similarity probably ends there |
| 00:05.50 | kml | i already saw that and it doesn't answer my question |
| 00:05.58 | cantido | Akuw: google MHTML linux then |
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| 00:07.07 | themill | PerryArmstrong: I'm running out of ways to ask this question and offer you the help you need. It sounds like you want to create custom tasks for tasksel; you need to learn how to create those task descriptions (apt-get source tasksel) and feed them to the installer. |
| 00:08.05 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: perhaps, you could just try to build the debian installer and get it onto a bootable media |
| 00:08.39 | PerryArmstrong | themill, cantido, adb, nsadmin; i'll give a much clearer idea...there are several streams in engineering..like CS, Mechanical, Electrical, Biotechnology etc... each stream has different softwares provided in debian....now we are creating a metapackage for each stream which installs al these packages....while installing debian...they get an option asing them to select a particular stream...for this i have to build the UI |
| 00:08.39 | kml | jpinx, i think the order doesn't matter and if does someone would have documented somewhere or someone would mention it on the net. |
| 00:08.52 | adb | PerryArmstrong: that not Debian problem / issue , you asked/wasted yesterday enough time on this |
| 00:09.05 | themill | PerryArmstrong: googling "tasksel custom tasks" will even provide you with examples of how to do this. |
| 00:10.00 | kml | i got the answer. i guess the only to find that out for sure to try it out myself. |
| 00:10.06 | jpinx | kml: try it and see |
| 00:10.07 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: 1. create task, 2. feed it to d-i, 3 ????, 4. profit. |
| 00:10.10 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: start by building the installer and getting your build to boot... once you can do that, you have the source, you can do what you want |
| 00:10.32 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; how do i build the installer |
| 00:10.38 | nsadmin | I'm all 4. profit! |
| 00:10.39 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 00:10.43 | kml | haha...i would if i have the system setup for it. |
| 00:10.55 | themill | PerryArmstrong: see also the Debian-Science team's blends that do this for you already: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/Blend |
| 00:11.17 | kml | jpinx, you are killing me...haha.. |
| 00:11.22 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: the instructions are quite clear, read them and see |
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| 00:11.51 | cantido | Isn't there a package that creates d-i discs that installs certain packages... I have a faint memory of something like that |
| 00:12.00 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; where exactly |
| 00:12.19 | themill | cantido: yeah, the debian pure blends stuff does that. |
| 00:12.32 | themill | judd info blends-dev |
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| 00:13.01 | themill | judd info blends-dev --release sid |
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| 00:13.02 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: if you're going to do any of this, you're going to have to learn to gather and in this case find wources for information |
| 00:13.02 | judd | themill: blends-dev (devel): is optional; Version: 0.6.3; Size: 29.9k; Installed: 324k -- Debian Pure Blends common files for developing metapackages |
| 00:13.05 | themill | stupid bots |
| 00:13.37 | kml | jpinx: anyway, thanks for the help. i to leave pretty soon. |
| 00:13.45 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; i have build the metapackages...now i need to create the UI for which i googled a lot and got no info |
| 00:13.58 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; i hope you understand my anxiety |
| 00:14.09 | nsadmin | the truth is at this moment I haven't built d-i in years, so I don't exactly know where everything is |
| 00:14.23 | nsadmin | at this point I'd start from google |
| 00:14.32 | themill | PerryArmstrong: repeat after me... there is no UI development required. There is no UI development required... |
| 00:14.44 | nsadmin | that would be a good start for you too |
| 00:14.44 | jpinx | kml: http://wiki.case.edu/Certificate_Authority |
| 00:14.49 | kml | jpinx, my bad i don't explain my question clearly. |
| 00:15.52 | jpinx | kml: np - I haven't a clue - I'm googling ;) |
| 00:15.53 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: why do you need a ui? |
| 00:16.05 | kml | sure... |
| 00:16.13 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: you already have apt, aptitude, <some x11 thing> etc |
| 00:16.20 | PerryArmstrong | themill; haha...pretty funny...please...its my project...i need to complete it...i took up this project from the local FSF organization....and OSS, FSF community believes in community |
| 00:16.50 | nsadmin | wait, how is FSF involved in this? |
| 00:16.52 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: you're doing your project incorrectly then |
| 00:17.04 | themill | PerryArmstrong: You don't need to create a UI. You need to create a small text file and feed it to tasksel. |
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| 00:17.28 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; the streams as i mentioned before may not have any experience with linux....we have created an OS to promote linux and its usage....so we have to make it easier for non CS students |
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| 00:17.50 | PerryArmstrong | themill; how do i do this?? |
| 00:17.55 | themill | PerryArmstrong: The task descriptions are about 6 lines each. For 10 departments, you have a file that's still only a couple of screenfuls long. |
| 00:18.11 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: you're evidently not able or willing to accept information (aka learn) |
| 00:18.18 | themill | PerryArmstrong: apt-get source tasksel is your first step.... Didn't I say that about 8 hours ago? |
| 00:18.36 | beware | how do i enable C2 sleep state on debian? |
| 00:18.47 | PerryArmstrong | themill; we have to feed only the metapackages....each stream will have a single metapackage which installs all otherpackages |
| 00:18.58 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i did that... |
| 00:19.08 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: So, you want them to be able to select the type of system from the installer or once they have installed? |
| 00:19.28 | themill | PerryArmstrong: you keep describing tasksel in many different ways but don't want to learn how to configure it. There's nothing more I (or anyone else here) can do. |
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| 00:19.50 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; i am sorry if i have shown my behaviour like that...but i am a bit confused |
| 00:19.51 | beware | in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/info, "power managent" is "no" |
| 00:20.05 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; exactly |
| 00:20.11 | themill | PerryArmstrong: http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/index.en.html may also be of use |
| 00:20.12 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: You can (read; should, I haven't tried) be able to feed a task into a d-i build and have that task appear at the "Desktop System", "File server" etc stage of the installer |
| 00:20.17 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; exactly from the installer |
| 00:20.31 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: or the blends stuff themill keeps suggesting to you |
| 00:20.46 | themill | both of which essentially do the same thing |
| 00:20.51 | nsadmin | if you won't learn or if you can't learn, doing the project as you have envisioned it (a difficult path) will be difficult or impossible... doing it as themill suggests will be also impossible because you havn't begun to consider the information yet (whether you can't, or you won't, is not relevelt) |
| 00:20.52 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: the "GUI" you think you need to write is already all there.. you don't need to reinvent it |
| 00:21.22 | themill | yep... a text config file is all that's needed |
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| 00:21.45 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; so how do i put in a seperate list of options |
| 00:21.47 | cantido | and you instantly win a bonus prize in that it's all tested, works graphically and textually... can be localized |
| 00:22.13 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; yes i am going through those links |
| 00:23.00 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: There's lots of stuff on the debian wiki. |
| 00:23.12 | nsadmin | separate list of options? |
| 00:23.31 | nsadmin | options for what? |
| 00:24.08 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: you mean after the system type selection question you want anyother question with your selections? |
| 00:24.11 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; i meant a seperate UI for these stream options |
| 00:24.25 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; exactly...you got my point |
| 00:24.26 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: you need a dialog, not a ui |
| 00:24.28 | nsadmin | it won't be a separate ui |
| 00:25.00 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: you need to look at the d-i docs and look at how you would add that, it shouldn't be too hard. Its all modular |
| 00:25.09 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; i dont know about the dialog....but you have exactly got my point |
| 00:25.35 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; thank you very much...in case you get any links...do inform me....thanks |
| 00:25.38 | nsadmin | either you're going to do 5 minutes of work writing a text file or a whole shitload involving months. which do you choose? |
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| 00:26.06 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: d-i is made up of a set of stages right.. like config network, partition drive etc,.. you just want another stage where it asks what tasks from your selection to run right? |
| 00:26.21 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; yes..yes... |
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| 00:26.40 | themill | and that stage already exists -- it's called "tasksel". |
| 00:27.01 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: so look at the debian-install docs then, you should be able to do that easily.. but you should really just add it as another task in the existing ones |
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| 00:27.05 | Loibo | hello |
| 00:27.10 | Loibo | does anyone of you use iptables ? i have a problem with this command: ptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/24 -p tcp -m multiport --dports 135:139 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:27.20 | themill | PerryArmstrong: Tasksel takes a set of config files and presents the user with a list of "tasks" that can be installed. You just need to add to that list. |
| 00:27.57 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i googled for tasksel...gave me little or no info |
| 00:28.13 | cantido | Loibo: you should really tell us what you want to happen and what actually happens.. |
| 00:28.13 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; ok i'll look into that |
| 00:28.24 | themill | PerryArmstrong: "apt-get source tasksel" has all the info you need for creating the task description |
| 00:28.25 | ajavid | mesa_booger, you left? |
| 00:28.28 | sigmonsays | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. <!-- i'm still stuck on this, i think it's causing my man pages to not work either. I can't search in less.. |
| 00:28.36 | sigmonsays | I still can't figure out what i'm missing.. |
| 00:28.43 | Loibo | cantido: actually happens that this line does not accept from iptables |
| 00:28.44 | ajavid | sigmonsays, aptitude install locales? |
| 00:28.50 | sigmonsays | already installed. |
| 00:28.52 | ajavid | sigmonsays, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 00:28.53 | Loibo | cantido: and i don't know why |
| 00:29.01 | mesa_booger | ajavid: centre-left i'd say |
| 00:29.11 | ajavid | mesa_booger, get back in center |
| 00:29.17 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: all the "code" you need is already there. You shouldn't need to develop anything new :) |
| 00:29.20 | ajavid | i just went out to #debian-chat |
| 00:29.30 | ajavid | i was like lets go talk to this ashole ;) |
| 00:29.35 | ajavid | and then he disappreared |
| 00:29.41 | sigmonsays | Hrm, let me try ajavid |
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| 00:30.13 | sigmonsays | yah, still nothing after reconfiguring them. same error. |
| 00:30.14 | ajavid | yen dpkg-reconfigure locales ought to generate and setup the right one locale you pick |
| 00:30.27 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 00:30.28 | ajavid | pastebin full error |
| 00:30.31 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; okk |
| 00:30.31 | cantido | Loibo: you want to accept tcp connections to ports 135 -> 139 from your local network right? |
| 00:30.43 | Loibo | cantido: yes |
| 00:31.48 | cantido | Loibo: apparently multiport doesnt accept ranges like that |
| 00:32.03 | Loibo | cantido: why ? |
| 00:32.05 | sigmonsays | doh, there are two locale packages i'm missing. |
| 00:32.07 | sigmonsays | thanks ajavid |
| 00:32.15 | ajavid | sigmonsays, also try locale-gen if all else fails |
| 00:32.21 | ajavid | and set up manually in your shell env. |
| 00:32.30 | cantido | Loibo: mport will do what you want there I think |
| 00:32.40 | sigmonsays | i just apt-get install locales-all |
| 00:32.43 | sigmonsays | pretty odd |
| 00:32.50 | sigmonsays | no specific one |
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| 00:32.53 | Loibo | cantido: the iptables team say that was a note problem, and was fix in the version after mine =( |
| 00:33.28 | cantido | Loibo: yeah, multiport does seem correct |
| 00:34.00 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; i googled out for debian installer docs and i got the DDP maual |
| 00:34.02 | cantido | Loibo: you can do 135,136,137,138,139 though, not as nice looking |
| 00:34.03 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; i googled out for debian installer docs and i got the DDP manual |
| 00:34.06 | Loibo | cantido: it is correct, but does not work on my iptabes version |
| 00:34.35 | sigmonsays | dear god |
| 00:35.04 | ajavid | sigmonsays, yes? |
| 00:35.08 | ajavid | ;) |
| 00:35.13 | ajavid | sigmonsays, yes my child? |
| 00:35.34 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: I'm not sure we can really help you. You seem to almost be suggesting we do all the hard work for you. |
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| 00:35.58 | sigmonsays | it's gotta be screen screwing me up but i can't even view man pages yet |
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| 00:36.04 | bookmark | hi |
| 00:36.05 | sigmonsays | closes everything |
| 00:36.24 | bookmark | is there anyway to make something that root can not execute? |
| 00:36.52 | bzrk | bookmark: chmod 000 |
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| 00:37.05 | bookmark | oh but i mean... others have to be able to |
| 00:37.07 | enthbott | hallo. |
| 00:37.07 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: I added stuff into the debian installer to do installs to usb sticks with encryption as a university project like 5 years ago, and stuff has come a long way since then.. what you're doing isn't that hard really. |
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| 00:37.26 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; not exactly....if i get the right manual...i can start working....i am at home and in a few minutes i have to go to the college where i have to do my project...since we are on a proxy..i can't use xchat to ask any further questions...so i am hurrying...sorry if i had been a little pushy |
| 00:37.28 | nsadmin | bookmark: check whether uid is 0 in the code |
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| 00:37.40 | jeeves | can anyone offer any ideas on how to fix this error? http://pastebin.ca/1461653 |
| 00:37.40 | bookmark | oh nevermind i can just make an alias for it |
| 00:37.47 | enthbott | is this chan for just debian, or for all debian based? |
| 00:38.01 | Hydroxide | enthbott: just debian |
| 00:38.21 | enthbott | herm. Ok. I'll leave then. Don't want to troll. :P |
| 00:38.32 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: just look at the tasksel stuff, get a task that installs working in a stock install, then work on getting it into the installer later |
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| 00:38.48 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: a task that installs the stuff you want |
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| 00:39.07 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; i am searching for that |
| 00:39.54 | nsadmin | jeeves: what exactly are you trying to do |
| 00:39.55 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 00:40.34 | jeeves | nsadmin, I did a dist-upgrade, and this is what it errored out on. And now my e-mail servers are hooped |
| 00:41.02 | nsadmin | jeeves: from what to what? |
| 00:41.40 | jeeves | nsadmin, I was running 7.1, and now we're @ 9.1. (it's an Ubuntu system, and they're no help in that channel) |
| 00:41.44 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; thanks...that was good info upon tasksel... |
| 00:41.57 | nsadmin | oh, I don't know anything about that |
| 00:41.59 | deco | jeeves: that's why i switched to debian ;-) |
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| 00:42.23 | bzrk | jeeves: try /bin/sh -x /etc/init.d/saslauthd start >/tmp/debug.output.txt 2>&1 |
| 00:42.32 | bzrk | maybe there is more info on what fails there |
| 00:42.44 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: there are actually examples of packages that do what you want.. science-tasks - Debian Science tasks for tasksel |
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| 00:42.49 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; but they have given only how to install the already defined tasks...now i have to define the tasks.. |
| 00:42.52 | jeeves | deco, I would, but a total re-install of this server is kinda hard. it's in Michigan, and I'm on Vancouver island |
| 00:43.18 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: thats what people have been telling you for the last half hour or so |
| 00:43.21 | deco | jeeves: oh, the ubuntu channel is so..... made me never to return |
| 00:43.31 | nsadmin | jeeves: one thing, did you read the release notes? also it's looking like you skipped a version |
| 00:43.54 | bzrk | jeeves: what does strace -f of /etc/init.d/saslauthd start say? |
| 00:44.08 | jeeves | deco, I know. it's like highschool all over again in there |
| 00:44.27 | jeeves | nsadmin, yes, I know. But I can't physically touch the system to fix it |
| 00:44.31 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; ohhh....i didnt know that...since i am new to this i took some time to understand....so do i have to define them in .dec file in tasksel...is that so?? |
| 00:44.40 | cantido | probably why no one takes ubuntu on "servers" seriously.. |
| 00:44.51 | jeeves | bzrk, I did your first command, give me a sec, I'll have a look @ the output |
| 00:44.56 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: you need to work that out. its your project after al |
| 00:44.58 | bzrk | jeeves: ok |
| 00:45.24 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; yes yes...i had been googling since 3 days for this... |
| 00:45.30 | jeeves | bzrk, how can I pipe the strace into a file? |
| 00:45.38 | nsadmin | jeeves: not sure I understand why you're talking about physical access. did you read the release notes? |
| 00:45.41 | bzrk | jeeves: same as above |
| 00:45.42 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; thank you very much...and all others who have helped me |
| 00:45.48 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: maybe you should take up flower arranging instead? |
| 00:45.49 | bzrk | >/tmp/debug.output.txt 2>&1 |
| 00:45.50 | deco | cantido: and why hp does not support ubuntu :P |
| 00:46.01 | bzrk | just choose a different file name |
| 00:46.10 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; flower arranging?? |
| 00:46.11 | cantido | deco: yeah, I read the same today |
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| 00:46.50 | deco | cantido: glad i switched to debian last week, |
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| 00:47.01 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: the docs aren't that hard to find. you could have taken a debian install disc appart in 3 days |
| 00:47.06 | jeeves | nsadmin, the physical server is on the other side of the country |
| 00:47.23 | nsadmin | ok. Did you read the release notes? |
| 00:47.39 | cantido | jeeves: you shouldnt need access to the machine, unless it explodes |
| 00:47.50 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; to experiment on this i used virtualbox and installed debian inside this... |
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| 00:48.01 | jeeves | cantido, lol, @ this point, it's close |
| 00:48.08 | bookmark | does anyone know how to make nano wrap? |
| 00:48.16 | bookmark | drop a beat? haha |
| 00:48.23 | deco | bookmark: use a real editor like vim! |
| 00:48.24 | cantido | jeeves: you should have a rescue system anyhow |
| 00:48.50 | adb | bookmark: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:48.58 | nsadmin | why in the HELL does the distance between the server and you have ANYTHING to do with whether you have read the release notes? and why have you not answered the question? |
| 00:49.02 | cantido | bookmark: it wraps lines by default doesnt it? its really annoying when changing config files.. |
| 00:49.17 | cantido | nsadmin: maybe the release notes are printed out and stuck on the server? |
| 00:49.33 | nsadmin | the release notes of the OS :P |
| 00:49.42 | jeeves | cantido, I will @ the end of the month. We're moving the data center to the west coast, then rebuild the east coast's systems |
| 00:50.06 | bookmark | no becuase i deleted the nanorc and it still doesn't wrap |
| 00:50.08 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, check www.moseley.ca/utilities/ |
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| 00:50.48 | cantido | jeeves: your problem doesnt need physical access to the machine though, you need to read what changed between versions |
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| 00:51.10 | jeeves | cantido, the "physical access" was in reply to switching from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 00:51.12 | nsadmin | and the steps for upgrading the os should be in the RELEASE NOTES. |
| 00:51.32 | jeeves | bzrk, can you see the files? |
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| 00:51.48 | cantido | <3's apt-listchanges |
| 00:52.07 | bzrk | jeeves: [pid 7008] write(2, "changing ownership of `/var/run/s"..., 42changing ownership of `/var/run/saslauthd') = 42 |
| 00:52.11 | bzrk | [pid 7008] write(2, ": Operation not permitted"..., 25: Operation not permitted) = 25 |
| 00:52.25 | nsadmin | nonresponsive, noncooperative, running ubuntu, not intending to switch to debian. end of story. |
| 00:52.30 | bzrk | running as root? |
| 00:52.45 | bzrk | chmod: changing permissions of `/var/run/saslauthd': Operation not permitted |
| 00:52.46 | jeeves | bzrk, your commands? one sec. |
| 00:52.49 | bzrk | same in the other file |
| 00:53.39 | cantido | bzrk: it could be that saslauthd used to run as root.. and now it runs as a normal user |
| 00:53.53 | cantido | thinks it runs as sasl2-bin or something here |
| 00:54.06 | bzrk | cantido: yeah |
| 00:54.11 | cantido | hmm nope, its root here |
| 00:54.17 | bzrk | + echo '/usr/sbin/saslauthd already running.' |
| 00:54.28 | bzrk | could be there is a pidfile leftover somewherer |
| 00:54.33 | bzrk | remove that too |
| 00:54.44 | bzrk | it prevents saslauthd from starting too |
| 00:54.53 | cantido | What are ubuntu's support contracts like? hohohoho |
| 00:54.53 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; if you happen to hit on any good info...mail me to jose_roshan@yahoo.com |
| 00:55.00 | bzrk | ^^ |
| 00:55.12 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, it's not letting me run those commands as root |
| 00:55.23 | bzrk | jeeves: remove the pidfile at /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd |
| 00:55.33 | bzrk | if it still exists |
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| 00:55.52 | bzrk | then chown the relevant /var dirs to the user running saslauthd |
| 00:56.00 | bzrk | then try again |
| 00:56.14 | jeeves | bzrk, I only can get as far as /var/spool/postfix/ there is no "var" directory |
| 00:56.18 | cantido | PerryArmstrong: Isn't that cheating? your project after all |
| 00:56.29 | bzrk | jeeves: use your mailer |
| 00:56.35 | bzrk | jeeves: its from my install |
| 00:56.39 | bzrk | sorry |
| 00:56.43 | cantido | jeeves: you should have /var |
| 00:56.50 | jeeves | bzrk, sorry, I'm lost |
| 00:56.50 | Shasie | Any release of debian port to symbian based phone, could that be? |
| 00:56.55 | bzrk | cantido: he means below postfix |
| 00:57.05 | cantido | bzrk: ah, sorry |
| 00:57.24 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; no i am requesting you to provide any manual that you might hit upon...anyways i'll be searching extensively on this....and of course i myself will implement this.. |
| 00:57.25 | cantido | bzrk: two different paths munged into one |
| 00:57.32 | bzrk | jeeves: according to your log you have that path too |
| 00:57.46 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, so what path should I be looking in? |
| 00:57.49 | bzrk | /var/run/saslauthd/saslauthd.pid |
| 00:58.01 | bzrk | sorry wrong copypaste |
| 00:58.03 | cantido | has better things to do |
| 00:58.05 | bzrk | 3am ^^ |
| 00:58.06 | jeeves | bzrk, ahhh, ok. |
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| 00:58.23 | bzrk | remove the pidfile if its there |
| 00:58.44 | bzrk | and chown the /var dirs that belong to sasl to the corresponding owner |
| 00:58.49 | ajavid | dude |
| 00:58.51 | ajavid | this is amazing |
| 00:59.06 | jeeves | bzrk, the closest thing I have is sshd.pid |
| 00:59.08 | ajavid | I'm kinda using kubuntu right now and in #kubuntu and since I'm a debian user I know a lot and its like I'm a king in there |
| 00:59.11 | ajavid | its crazy |
| 00:59.13 | ajavid | people there dunno anything. |
| 00:59.30 | bzrk | jeeves: then ignore |
| 00:59.34 | cantido | ajavid: Want a medal? |
| 00:59.37 | bzrk | jeeves: just fix the permissions |
| 00:59.43 | micols | i want to use cryptsetup but do i need to write random data to my disk (it already has raid5 lvm2, and already been reshaped, so it has had 'random' writes) ? |
| 00:59.48 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, who should be the owner of the /var tree? root? |
| 00:59.48 | micols | or could i just use cryptsetup -y create vol /dev/mapper/blah-yyy |
| 00:59.51 | ajavid | cantido, no, give debian a medal |
| 00:59.53 | micols | 1TB will take a long time to write random data to. |
| 00:59.53 | ajavid | not me |
| 01:00.05 | bzrk | jeeves: the uid running the daemon... |
| 01:00.09 | cantido | micols: cat /dev/random > /dev/blockdevice |
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| 01:00.17 | micols | cantido: yes will take a week |
| 01:00.24 | bookmark | can you build arch completely from scratch? |
| 01:00.31 | micols | cantido: need it faster |
| 01:00.47 | jeeves | bzrk, sorry for sounding like an idoit, but how do I find out what user that is? |
| 01:01.21 | cantido | micols: the reason for writing random data is remove any zero'd areas so that it's harder to find the actual data... if it takes a week to write the whole disk, it takes a week |
| 01:01.23 | bzrk | jeeves: its probably sasl |
| 01:01.31 | bzrk | jeeves: check /etc/passwd |
| 01:01.36 | nsadmin | if the daemon is running now, you can ps aux and look thru that |
| 01:01.38 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, one sec |
| 01:02.01 | agaran | wipe can erase harddisc too |
| 01:02.09 | Loibo | night@all |
| 01:02.19 | jeeves | bzrk, I searched the passwd file for "sasl" and it's not found |
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| 01:02.34 | agaran | and it does few overwrites with random patterns to minimize chance of saving any data from overwriten area |
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| 01:02.52 | bzrk | jeeves: did you try starting sasl as root? |
| 01:03.01 | cantido | agaran: it'll still take a long time, theres no way around that without making the operation pointless |
| 01:03.26 | jeeves | bzrk, /etc/init.d/sasld start dosn't work |
| 01:03.26 | agaran | cantido: yes, but faster than /dev/random, much faster |
| 01:03.27 | micols | cantido: it will take a month i think |
| 01:03.52 | agaran | cantido: /dev/random will run out quite soon, /dev/urandom will provide stream for longer time.. |
| 01:04.17 | cantido | agaran: mm thats true.. urandom isn't really random though is it |
| 01:04.30 | bzrk | jeeves: try /usr/sbin/saslauthd --name saslauthd -- -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -r -a pam -d > debug.log 2>&1 as root |
| 01:04.49 | micols | cantido: is dmcrypt only 256bit encryption? |
| 01:04.50 | agaran | cantido: for many things its enough random, for some, even /dev/random isnt enough.. depends how good clean you need |
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| 01:04.58 | micols | the same kind as wpa2? |
| 01:05.03 | cantido | micols: depends what cipher you use |
| 01:05.10 | micols | (that can be broken, with supercomputers) |
| 01:05.11 | PerryArmstrong | cantido; i stil didnt get how to get that dialog box in that science pure blends.....i apologize for asking too much of you help |
| 01:05.43 | micols | cantido: can i use aes larger than 256? and perhaps larger than 512? |
| 01:06.05 | cantido | micols: you can use whatever ciphers the kernel supports iirc |
| 01:06.17 | agaran | micols: any cipher can be broken, just depend how much superhardware you need to do it enough quickly to be worth of attempt.. |
| 01:06.37 | cantido | micols: heavey encryption == slow as shit IO, just a warning |
| 01:06.43 | agaran | micols: some are easier to break than others, some have known weakness, but all are prone to plain bruteforce attack |
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| 01:07.01 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, look in www.moseley.ca/utilities/ |
| 01:07.01 | cantido | needs to learn this spelling stuff again.. |
| 01:07.04 | bzrk | agaran: if you can wait a few geological eons maybe |
| 01:07.05 | adb | PerryArmstrong: apt-cache show dialog |
| 01:07.06 | micols | cantido: doesnt matter, got 379MB/s :) |
| 01:07.07 | cantido | micols: *heavy |
| 01:07.14 | agaran | micols: and today you can do that without supercomputers, cluster of playstations can do that too |
| 01:07.18 | micols | enough to spoil on lvm2 and crypto |
| 01:07.32 | agaran | bzrk: depends on cipher and machines you have.. |
| 01:07.42 | agaran | micols: you don't understand, crypto will burn cpu not IO.. |
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| 01:08.00 | agaran | micols: every operation to crypted area will be cpu intense.. |
| 01:08.12 | bzrk | jeeves: sorry try /usr/sbin/saslauthd --name saslauthd -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -r -a pam -d > debug.log 2>&1 |
| 01:08.23 | cantido | agaran: it takes a hundred or so ps3s to generate md5 collisions.. |
| 01:08.28 | bzrk | agaran: some ciphers cant be broken in reasonable time |
| 01:08.34 | agaran | cantido: but still doable, right? |
| 01:08.55 | agaran | bzrk: hmm, depends on hardware i still would say, and how badly you need them to break.. |
| 01:09.01 | bzrk | agaran: nope |
| 01:09.07 | cantido | agaran: not until someone finds a weakness in <insert cipher here> |
| 01:09.07 | bzrk | agaran: hardware doesnt solve that |
| 01:09.29 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, you're good for the new version |
| 01:09.32 | agaran | bzrk: so far only eliptic curves are heavy stuff, but i doubt that they are used in any commercial/opensource things |
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| 01:09.45 | robd | Hey guys |
| 01:10.02 | agaran | but also i can be outdated in that topics.. |
| 01:10.04 | robd | I'm getting errors when trying to do a "make menuconfig" after I installed kernel-sources |
| 01:10.09 | robd | I'll do a pastebin post in a sec |
| 01:10.28 | jeeves | bzrk, did you get it? |
| 01:10.29 | cantido | agaran: the dnet stuff proves that it still takes a long time and a lot of hardware to bruteforce any sensible cipher |
| 01:10.31 | Sark | Wow... OK, I think that I've found the lower limit to what a "usable minimum requirement" is for Debian... This box is so slow that an apt-cache search on tty1 prevents a user login on tty2. |
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| 01:11.02 | bzrk | jeeves: i still get the old version |
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| 01:11.14 | Sark | It's a clean install of the bare minimum Debian 4.0 on a 486dx 33mhz with 32mb of RAM... |
| 01:11.15 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, one sec |
| 01:11.15 | cantido | Sark: 50mhz sparc is pretty painful |
| 01:11.32 | agaran | cantido: whole crypto nowadays relies on enough complicated cipher that make bruteforce attack possible but taking too long.. |
| 01:11.38 | robd | Is there a how-to for compiling a kernel w/ the Debian patches? |
| 01:11.46 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, try again |
| 01:12.00 | cantido | agaran: the biggest weakness from the disk encryption point of view is picking a stupid password |
| 01:12.10 | cantido | agaran: not the cipher used to encrypt the data |
| 01:12.15 | agaran | cantido: thats another problem, but its PEBKAC ;) |
| 01:12.50 | bzrk | jeeves: /usr/sbin/saslauthd -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -r -a pam -d > debug.log 2>&1 please |
| 01:12.56 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, one sec |
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| 01:13.57 | cantido | Sark: netbsd will probably run fine on that though, its not as nice, but thats what you get for having shitty hardware ;) |
| 01:14.08 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, ran |
| 01:14.40 | bzrk | jeeves: saslauthd[7440] :main : could not chdir to: /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd |
| 01:14.45 | bzrk | saslauthd[7440] :main : Check to make sure the directory exists and is |
| 01:14.49 | bzrk | saslauthd[7440] :main : writeable by the user this process runs as. |
| 01:15.15 | Sark | Hmm. OK, well, maybe that's not it. I can log in as root just fine, but if I log on as a user, I get the usual login warrenty info, then it hangs trying to run bash. |
| 01:15.15 | bzrk | i guess you can take it from here ;) |
| 01:15.27 | jeeves | bzrk, I know. that's what I've been stuck with. it gets up to /var/spool/postfix/ and that's as far as it gets |
| 01:15.36 | bzrk | jeeves: add the dirs then |
| 01:15.51 | jeeves | bzrk, if it's that simple, then I'm going to loose it on this box |
| 01:16.28 | bzrk | mkdir -p /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd && chown root:sasl /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd |
| 01:16.57 | Sark | Is there something about user logins that need more resources than a root login? |
| 01:17.29 | cantido | Sark: theres nothing in dmesg? |
| 01:18.08 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, done. now what? |
| 01:18.17 | Sark | nope |
| 01:18.18 | bzrk | jeeves: well try again of course |
| 01:18.36 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, same error. LOL |
| 01:18.50 | bzrk | could not chdir? |
| 01:18.59 | cantido | Sark: you can login as root, but you can't login as another user at the same time? maybe you don't have enough memory for another bash process |
| 01:19.05 | Sark | I can log in as root no problem, but a user just hangs - if I run top from a root console, I can see that bash is using 73% cpu on tty2. But tty2 still has no prompt |
| 01:19.22 | jeeves | bzrk, no. I CDed into the directory and chowned it |
| 01:19.23 | Sark | tried that. I tried logging out the root shell, then logging in as a user |
| 01:19.37 | bzrk | no i mean the error msg |
| 01:19.41 | Sark | But I can log in as root on three virtual consoles with no problem. |
| 01:19.44 | cantido | Sark: have you tried a different shell? |
| 01:19.57 | bzrk | jeeves: /usr/sbin/saslauthd -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -r -a pam -d > debug.log 2>&1 on that command? |
| 01:20.21 | jeeves | bzrk, oh, sorry, one sec |
| 01:20.22 | Sark | ah hah! It finally gave me a prompt. Took four minutes, but it gave me a prompt. |
| 01:20.33 | Sark | Man, I think I'm going to have to switch the user accounts over to sh or something... |
| 01:20.36 | cantido | Sark: maybe it was running .profile and stuff |
| 01:20.56 | robd | Here is the error I get when trying to do a make menuconfig from the Debian linux sources: http://paste.debian.net/39230/ |
| 01:21.02 | Sark | right - this is a new account, never been logged into before. |
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| 01:21.33 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, I ran the command and the output is ready for you to read |
| 01:21.45 | cantido | wonders if there is a difference in the stuff that gets run for root and other users.. |
| 01:21.51 | Sark | I'm going to try to install ircii and see what happens... Tried bitchx, but it depends on x11-common for no good reason, and I don't want this poor thing to choke on 70 megs of packages. |
| 01:22.27 | cantido | Sark: you could change stuff over to busybox to free up some memory |
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| 01:22.49 | bzrk | jeeves: if the dir exists and you run the command as root saslauthd drops privileges to something else |
| 01:22.49 | Sark | good idea |
| 01:23.15 | jeeves | bzrk, ok? when I ran it, it just dropped to a new command line |
| 01:23.18 | Sark | Man, I used to use Linux all the time on a 486. It's amazing how much code it's accumulated in the last several years to become so big... |
| 01:23.19 | bzrk | jeeves: you can either a) find out which uid and adjust the perms accordingly or b) try chmod 777 to see if the error comes from that |
| 01:23.46 | jeeves | bzrk, so that command set the premissions for the directory we just made? |
| 01:24.04 | bzrk | jeeves: chmod -R 777 /var/spool/postfix/var |
| 01:24.06 | adb | Sark: how much swap ? |
| 01:24.15 | bzrk | jeeves: be sure to set the perms back if it works |
| 01:24.15 | Sark | 250 megs |
| 01:24.36 | ksnp | how can i check the version of a particular package ? |
| 01:24.36 | Sark | it's only using a tiny amount of swap... and all of that whopping 32 megs of ram. |
| 01:24.37 | cantido | Sark: well, now most people have more memory it's sensible for apps to use more memory and be more feature complete |
| 01:24.40 | bzrk | jeeves: after chmod 777 same command as above |
| 01:24.41 | jeeves | bzrk, I ran it as root, and it just ran the command (no errors) |
| 01:24.50 | bzrk | jeeves: ok run the command |
| 01:24.54 | Sark | cantido - I'm not talking about apps... I'm talking about logging in :) |
| 01:25.02 | Sark | I haven't gotten far enough to load apps... |
| 01:25.16 | cantido | Sark: well, you have to think about all the udev, hotplug etc etc stuff running too |
| 01:25.22 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, have a look. I just reran the command |
| 01:25.27 | ksnp | i get apt-show-version ont found |
| 01:25.28 | adb | i run lenny on macintosh -motorola - 32 MB ram , even with X |
| 01:25.42 | cantido | adb: 68k? |
| 01:25.46 | Sark | this is true. I would imagine if I stripped down and recompiled the kernel, I could get it running better. |
| 01:25.47 | adb | yes |
| 01:25.55 | Sark | adb - Macintosh, or some other box? |
| 01:26.04 | Sark | err nm |
| 01:26.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.10 | Sark | read too quick :) |
| 01:26.10 | cantido | adb: mmm really? it's not totally unusable? |
| 01:26.27 | Sark | What model? Quadra 950? |
| 01:26.32 | adb | cantido: nope ? |
| 01:26.37 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.37 | bzrk | jeeves: hmm ok im out of ideas from here, id need shell access to really see whats going on |
| 01:26.56 | jeeves | bzrk, hummmm |
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| 01:27.06 | cantido | adb: mmm it has to be atleast 030 to have an mmu, but still 68k is slow.. unless its a 100mhz 060 or something |
| 01:27.09 | adb | and Quadra 700 |
| 01:27.12 | ksnp | guys, how can i check the version of a package that is installed ? |
| 01:27.24 | Sark | adb: did you recompile the kernel? |
| 01:27.25 | cantido | adb: but I don't think there are any 060 macs ;) |
| 01:27.41 | jeeves | bzrk, ok, thanks again for all of your help. @ least we know where the problem is. I should run though. the wife is hunting my ass right now |
| 01:27.42 | adb | cantido: 040 @ 30 MHz |
| 01:27.49 | Sark | adb: and I would assume you stick to twm and don't try for kde/bloat... |
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| 01:28.12 | adb | icewm , stock kernel |
| 01:28.14 | cantido | Sark: I'm surprised xorg has drivers for that sort of video hardware |
| 01:28.38 | cantido | adb: the 68k kernel probably has a lot of stuff missing that the i386 one has |
| 01:29.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.10 | Sark | yeah, this stupid x86 kernel has tons of crap. I need to modify things so it doesn't try to load the temp and fan speed modules at boot... |
| 01:29.28 | cantido | Sark: well, you shouldn't need pci support on most 68k boxes, stuff like that |
| 01:29.40 | cantido | Sark: no acpi |
| 01:29.54 | ksnp | guys, how can i check the version of a package that is installed ? |
| 01:29.55 | adb | nubus card |
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| 01:30.20 | Sark | This 486 I'm playing with doesn't even _have_ PCI. And it uses 30 pin memory. I'm using a CGA card, so no X for me. |
| 01:30.49 | adb | even 1024x768 |
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| 01:30.59 | adb | on quadra 700 |
| 01:31.06 | cantido | Sark: the stock i386 kernel will still have support for modern i386 hardware though ;) |
| 01:31.12 | Sark | adb: I'm impressed. I'll have to dig out one of these old macs and give it a go. |
| 01:31.30 | Sark | cantido: tell me about it. I need to do some serious preening if this is going to run. |
| 01:31.39 | adb | graphic mac nubus card |
| 01:31.49 | Sark | I had to install more memory just to run the installer.It needs 32 meg, and I only had 20 to start. |
| 01:32.07 | nsadmin | nubus?! |
| 01:32.16 | adb | yes |
| 01:32.17 | cantido | Sark: the 486 has a built in fpu doesn't it? |
| 01:32.27 | nsadmin | that's like from the 90s |
| 01:32.27 | cantido | Sark: you might be able to get some tunes out of it |
| 01:32.34 | nsadmin | early too |
| 01:32.35 | Sark | cantido this one does, it's a DX |
| 01:32.55 | adb | ~ '92 |
| 01:32.57 | Sark | cantido: going to have to plug in a sound card though. |
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| 01:33.28 | adb | isapnp |
| 01:33.34 | Sark | And I definitely need to figure out why it takes over three minutes for a user to log in. Funny thing, is once I'm in, the rest seems to work OK. Slow, but steady. |
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| 01:33.37 | cantido | Sark: switching your shell and some other bits to busybox should free up a bit of memory |
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| 01:34.08 | nsadmin | Sark: define -exactly- what you mean by log in, including from where |
| 01:34.14 | Sark | cantido: Funny thing, is according to top, I've still got three megs free |
| 01:34.15 | cantido | Sark: it used to take about 5 minutes for my sparcstation 20 to bring up a shell over ssh, that was running woody |
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| 01:34.55 | Sark | nsadmin: from tty1, type in username, hit enter, type password, hit enter, see Debian warranty info, three minutes until a prompt appears. |
| 01:35.02 | cantido | compiling perl with the right flags to use hardware divide took about a week |
| 01:35.28 | nsadmin | hmm, I was going to say dns, but that's not it |
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| 01:36.41 | adb | quadra 700 has "only" 20 MB 040 @25 MHz |
| 01:36.47 | nsadmin | Sark can you ssh in from another machine? |
| 01:37.26 | Sark | I haven't installed ssh yet. This thing is just the base install, and nothing more. |
| 01:37.52 | nsadmin | ok, does it have networking? |
| 01:37.58 | Sark | yes |
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| 01:38.08 | nsadmin | and it's up and connected? |
| 01:38.16 | Sark | Yes, it's on my network, and it's connected and working online. |
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| 01:38.30 | cantido | adb: how much do you have free? |
| 01:38.37 | nsadmin | what's the load average? |
| 01:38.52 | Sark | right now, 1.32 |
| 01:38.53 | adb | cantido: it's not running now |
| 01:39.01 | adb | cantido: used aranym ? |
| 01:39.14 | nsadmin | what;s the other two numbers? |
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| 01:39.21 | cantido | Debian on a broadcom mips soc with 32meg of ram was painful, even more painful with swap over NFS |
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| 01:39.48 | nsadmin | 1.3 is very high for a machine that's supposed to be not doing anything yet :) |
| 01:39.55 | cantido | adb: nope |
| 01:40.31 | adb | it emulate m68k on i386 |
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| 01:41.00 | cantido | adb: I've used debian on a 25mhz 040 with 256meg of ram,.. Amiga 1200 |
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| 01:41.19 | adb | heh :) |
| 01:41.21 | cantido | mmm maybe it was 128meg? still a lot more than most 68k systems |
| 01:41.25 | slowsark | woo-hoo! I'm on IRC from it. Slow though :) |
| 01:41.41 | adb | cantido: sell it ? |
| 01:41.49 | cantido | adb: The amigas built in IDE is pretty bad, so it wasnt all that good |
| 01:42.01 | Sark | OK, load average, 0.85, 1.14, 1.36 |
| 01:42.03 | nsadmin | what kind of machine is it? |
| 01:42.14 | nsadmin | so it's coming down |
| 01:42.26 | cantido | adb: nah its at home in the uk.. its got one of only a few hundred working 68k/ppc combo cards in it |
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| 01:42.32 | Sark | nsadmin: 486dx 33mhz 32mb RAM. |
| 01:42.48 | nsadmin | ohh, the plot thickens :) |
| 01:42.53 | Sark | I've got 250 megs of swap though, of which it's using very, very little. |
| 01:42.54 | adb | cantido: oh, ok |
| 01:43.09 | Sark | I mean, I know it's bloody slow, but I would think it would be slightly faster than this. |
| 01:43.15 | nsadmin | but it's using some? |
| 01:43.34 | Sark | nsadmin: yeah, like a meg |
| 01:43.40 | nsadmin | if it wasn't using any that would be one thing |
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| 01:44.06 | Sark | righ tnow, 264k of swap used. |
| 01:44.14 | Sark | 2194k ram free |
| 01:44.28 | adb | sweet |
| 01:44.59 | slowsark | And, right now, I've got four virtual consoles open, and I'm on IRC in one of them. Slowly. |
| 01:45.04 | slowsark | It can barely keep up with my typing. |
| 01:45.13 | slowsark | (ircII btw) |
| 01:45.28 | slowsark | hehe 16.03 bogomips.... |
| 01:45.42 | valan | you're on a 486? |
| 01:45.53 | slowsark | Yeah, the load went way, way down once that user finially logged in. |
| 01:45.59 | slowsark | Yeah. 33mhz. |
| 01:46.12 | valan | i built lfs on a 486 a few years ago ;) |
| 01:46.23 | valan | 25Mhz, 20MB ram |
| 01:46.27 | valan | it took 2 months |
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| 01:46.45 | adb | .. |
| 01:46.47 | slowsark | I had 20mb, but I had to upgrade to 32 to get the debian-installer to run. |
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| 01:47.29 | valan | build an optimized lfs for that box and it'll surprise you how fast a 486 can really run |
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| 01:48.49 | slowsark | Yeah, I don't doubt it. I think I just need to build a new kernel, and trim a little fat, and i tshould run fine. |
| 01:50.16 | slowsark | hmm, what is dm_mod, dm_mirror and dm_snapshot (kernel modules loaded) |
| 01:51.10 | cantido | slowsark: devmapper |
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| 01:52.49 | slowsark | ah. right. |
| 01:53.08 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.11 | slowsark | Can 2.6 work with the old style device structure? |
| 01:53.11 | cantido | slowsark: you probably dont need that ;) |
| 01:53.15 | tCzern | hi, what application can show me a system log? Just had a complete crash and I'd like to find out why |
| 01:53.37 | cantido | slowsark: You don't need udev etc, you can use a static /dev |
| 01:54.04 | slowsark | I definitely think that's what this box needs... |
| 01:54.10 | disturbedmime | tCzern: what types are you looking at? dmesg and less come to mind |
| 01:54.17 | valan | tCzern the system log should be in /var/log don't need a special app for it |
| 01:54.34 | tCzern | dunno, just a reason why it died |
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| 01:55.30 | bookmark | tCzern: all process run to different logs |
| 01:55.50 | bookmark | if any at all |
| 01:56.02 | bookmark | a lot of stuff in a computer just happens hehhe |
| 01:56.09 | disturbedmime | /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages are probably your best hope |
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| 01:56.43 | disturbedmime | running through dmesg may prove fruitful as well |
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| 01:57.46 | cantido | tCzern: dmesg or /var/log/message will have info about proper crashes |
| 01:57.53 | tCzern | i opened messages in var/log with gedit, the scrollbar keeps moving and I see messages that a 6 month old |
| 01:58.26 | disturbedmime | tCzern: you may want to check your log rotation scripts, lol, the newest messages should be at the bottom of the file |
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| 01:58.37 | slowsark | tCzern: try tail -n 24 /var/log/messages |
| 01:58.50 | tCzern | ok, that's a 30MB file, it toook some time to load it |
| 01:59.08 | disturbedmime | 30MB, that's it? |
| 01:59.14 | tCzern | sd 3:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8000002 |
| 01:59.19 | tCzern | uhhm ? |
| 01:59.20 | tCzern | lol |
| 01:59.32 | slowsark | ooh - fun with disk errors! |
| 01:59.39 | cantido | tCzern: anymore than that? |
| 01:59.39 | disturbedmime | yay hard drive errors |
| 01:59.47 | tCzern | disk errors I have? |
| 01:59.51 | slowsark | Do you have external scsi disks on that box? |
| 02:00.03 | tCzern | not only a shit system anyway but on top of it I have disk errors? |
| 02:00.06 | cantido | tCzern: look for more output... |
| 02:00.09 | disturbedmime | tCzern: you may want to run smartctl if your hard drives support it (most modern ones do) |
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| 02:00.19 | slowsark | I've had weird problems like that caused by loose cables and terminators. |
| 02:00.24 | tCzern | I am a sad camper here |
| 02:00.52 | bookmark | does anyone know how to make nano wrap its text? |
| 02:01.01 | disturbedmime | tCzern: sok, i deployed a server 200 miles away only to find it started having read errors the moment i brought it up at the customer office |
| 02:01.08 | adb | slowsark: http://elinux.org/System_Size |
| 02:01.52 | adb | bookmark: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:02.29 | tCzern | oh well, I was streaming a sound sampler from a windows partition, maybe that's what is interpreted as disk error |
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| 02:02.37 | disturbedmime | bookmark: should do it by default, unless you run with the -w switch |
| 02:02.43 | cantido | disturbedmime: so you wiped out the broken disk and replace it with a fresh one and the raid rebuilt itself.. no problem? ;) |
| 02:03.15 | disturbedmime | cantido: RAID? hahaha, na no RAID for this system, not mission critical, just a monitoring box |
| 02:03.37 | cantido | tCzern: one line isn't really enough to go on. the dmesg log should should what transaction was taking place, if it did eventually work etc |
| 02:03.54 | disturbedmime | the only bummer is that i didn't have an extra drive with me, and i had run the box for a week prior with no issues |
| 02:04.08 | cantido | disturbedmime: mmm, even the lowest systems should have raid1 these days. costs of raid1 < cost of going and fixing it |
| 02:04.10 | tCzern | I don't understand this anyway |
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| 02:05.30 | disturbedmime | cantido: yeah, but that would require that i buy two hard drives, and who wants to do that? except that this is the same customer who puts 750Gb drives in end-user workstations, and stores all of their files on the central server |
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| 02:06.14 | slowsark | adb: thanks - I will have to do some tinkering and reading... I've been using Linux for a very long time, but haven't used it on a box this old in a while - it actually runs great out of the box on _slightly_ newer gear, like the P1 |
| 02:06.23 | tCzern | hm, properties of file system shows me under contents "some contents unreadable" that's not good I guess |
| 02:06.48 | jayeola | any one know how to format an ipod _without_ itunes? |
| 02:06.54 | slowsark | In at work, we're running a P1-166 with 32meg of RAM with Debian 4.0 - runs great |
| 02:06.55 | adb | slowsark: np |
| 02:07.13 | disturbedmime | jayeola: sledgehammer... |
| 02:07.16 | cantido | mmm or just buy a second hand xserve of off ebay or something ... I got a 3ghz machine with raid1, 4gig of ram etc for less than what a 750gb drive costs ;) |
| 02:07.45 | cantido | slowsark: the p1 has enough grunt to swap pages in and out ;) |
| 02:07.51 | jayeola | disturbedmime: would that be any particular file system? ;-) |
| 02:08.07 | slowsark | cantido: yeah, tell me about it. Poor little 486 |
| 02:08.26 | cantido | slowsark: p1 probably has considerably better IO too |
| 02:08.27 | disturbedmime | jayeola: i think its a new feature of truecrypt, shambles-fs |
| 02:08.39 | tCzern | is there some kind of tool like disk utility for osx that comes for linux? |
| 02:08.40 | slowsark | But, now that it's running,it's actually usable. I can still out-type it in ircII though. |
| 02:08.46 | cantido | slowsark: pentium has a 64bit memory interface I think too.. hence match pairs of simms |
| 02:09.18 | ZitZ | anyone know why elisa in the repository does not detect any files even after I edit the elisa.conf |
| 02:09.44 | cantido | jayeola: I think you can format it just fine under linux, I'm not sure if the intial itunes db etc can be created though |
| 02:09.45 | tCzern | or a defragmentation thing? |
| 02:09.54 | slowsark | I think it's still 32 bit - 72pin simms are 16bit, no? |
| 02:10.04 | wooj | cantido, banshee can make the itunes db |
| 02:10.16 | slowsark | This box takes 30 pin memory, have to install it in sets of 4 (8bit wide SIMMS) |
| 02:10.18 | enouf | cantido: yes, and does PAE even .. and it's not a 486 but a 686 .. most 166s are |
| 02:10.25 | cantido | wooj: simple then :) |
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| 02:10.41 | cantido | enouf: yeah, I know a pentium is a 686 |
| 02:10.44 | jayeola | cantido: dont care about the itune and stuff. just wanna fdisk or cfdisk the device |
| 02:10.47 | enouf | oh, then no .. my p150 takes EDO,or SDRAM actually |
| 02:10.57 | cantido | enouf: actually thats mmx isn't it? |
| 02:11.12 | enouf | cantido: didn't mean imply you didn't, apologies |
| 02:11.35 | enouf | cantido: no MMX is the MultiMedia eXtensions |
| 02:11.43 | riot | anyone have an idea, why my notebook battery isn't charging more than 53 percent anymore? |
| 02:11.44 | slowsark | And it's not on all Pentiums |
| 02:11.46 | tCzern | nothing? |
| 02:11.58 | cantido | slowsark: can't find were I read the stuff about the p1 memory interface now, maybe it is 32bir |
| 02:12.00 | enouf | correct - my p150 is a 586 |
| 02:12.01 | cantido | slowsark: 32bit |
| 02:12.03 | riot | state says its idle, stop_charging_thresh is set to 80 |
| 02:12.07 | slowsark | I have an old P60 here too. Complete with the fdiv bug. :) |
| 02:12.14 | cantido | enouf: yeah, 686 was pentium-mmx I think |
| 02:12.37 | cantido | ah no, its pentium-pro |
| 02:12.39 | enouf | cantido: very close, and similar, but some 586s have MMX |
| 02:12.41 | nsadmin | I am pentium of borg... division was futile... |
| 02:12.47 | cantido | slaps head |
| 02:13.08 | disturbedmime | facepalms |
| 02:13.15 | enouf | cantido: all p-pro is/are 686, however not all p166 are p-pro, nor have MMX, IINM |
| 02:13.18 | cantido | First x86 machine I had was a p3 celeron or something |
| 02:13.19 | slowsark | And the top 9.999998 reasons not to buy a Pentium are... |
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| 02:14.03 | enouf | because you can't anymore :-P |
| 02:14.05 | nsadmin | you will be approximated... |
| 02:14.25 | slowsark | hehe. |
| 02:14.45 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:14.54 | cantido | slowsark: if you want a slow machine though, there are more interesting slow machines to be had |
| 02:14.57 | tCzern | ok, bye then, I move to mac for now - dunno what to do with my Linux box. thanks for helping me |
| 02:15.06 | cantido | slowsark: like an old sgi box |
| 02:15.14 | enouf | tCzern: ? |
| 02:15.17 | cantido | tCzern: yes, buying a mac will fix everything |
| 02:15.33 | disturbedmime | < nsadmin> I am pentium of borg... division was futile... < nsadmin> you will be approximated... |
| 02:15.34 | cantido | had more problems with macosx on this mac than debian |
| 02:15.40 | slowsark | cantido: I got me some of those too :) And an old Motorola mvme box I need to ressurrect |
| 02:15.46 | enouf | tCzern: fsck is the FS checker |
| 02:16.00 | nsadmin | disturbedmime: very old joke :) |
| 02:16.20 | enouf | disturbedmime: you're not a mime .. if you are speaking :-p |
| 02:16.21 | tCzern | huh? I already have a mac |
| 02:16.25 | tCzern | since years |
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| 02:16.31 | cantido | slowsark: thing with linux is that you need an mmu |
| 02:16.35 | slowsark | Yeah - you see, when the Pentium came out, it didn't work so good... |
| 02:16.36 | tCzern | what is fsck? |
| 02:16.39 | cantido | slowsark: so you can't go really really old and shitty |
| 02:16.42 | enouf | !fsck |
| 02:16.42 | dpkg | i guess fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>. |
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| 02:16.49 | Darkclaw66 | is there a server I can install that will allow me to run an Outlook Calendar server on my unix machine? |
| 02:16.56 | nsadmin | File System ChecK |
| 02:16.58 | enouf | !forcefsck |
| 02:16.58 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). |
| 02:17.09 | slowsark | cantido: The mvme has an mmu... I think. NetBSD works on it. |
| 02:17.31 | disturbedmime | enouf: yeah, but it still makes me laugh |
| 02:17.34 | cantido | Darkclaw66: there are exchange replacements if thats what you mean, you should google.. |
| 02:17.35 | Darkclaw66 | anyone know? |
| 02:17.36 | tCzern | it's a dual boot system, there is also Windows XP on this machine |
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| 02:17.42 | slowsark | cantido: I have several old 286en and older though. Gotta dig out Xenix for the 286 :) |
| 02:17.45 | disturbedmime | nsadmin: yeah, pasted that in the wrong channel |
| 02:17.59 | Darkclaw66 | cantido I did google and it was unsuccessful, hence I am here. |
| 02:18.17 | slowsark | eek. Another rubber foot on this keyboard failed. |
| 02:18.18 | cantido | slowsark: netbsd is nicer than linux on most old machines to be honest |
| 02:18.32 | nsadmin | if you spell pentium sideways, you get ineptum |
| 02:18.44 | here4thegear | hi, I am hoping to get a little bit of help. I was in the process of setting up my server a few weeks ago and I accomplished the ability to use .htaccess and .htpasswd for protection of certain folders. I used some kind of script to update .htpasswd with the passwords but can't remember how I did it. I'm just stuck as to what I did |
| 02:19.01 | slowsark | You know you've been using hardware too long when the rubber feet start to fail from age (turn to goo) |
| 02:19.05 | dondelelcaro | here4thegear: htpasswd; man htpasswd; for details |
| 02:19.19 | cantido | Darkclaw66: you first need to work out what protocol outlook uses for this calendar and then see if theres some implementation you can install |
| 02:19.40 | Darkclaw66 | I know that. I am asking if anyone knows "WHAT" implementation exists, if any |
| 02:19.56 | cantido | Darkclaw66: so, what protocol/standard is it then? |
| 02:19.59 | Darkclaw66 | my God I feel like sometimes people want to feel important so they answer questions without putting a real answer |
| 02:20.13 | Darkclaw66 | or answering a question with a question |
| 02:20.16 | Darkclaw66 | im not here to debate |
| 02:20.26 | tCzern | k, bye |
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| 02:20.34 | nsadmin | I'm answering a question with a question? |
| 02:20.45 | slowsark | Is that what he wants? |
| 02:20.52 | jpinx | !tell Darkclaw66 about smart questions |
| 02:21.08 | Darkclaw66 | !tell jpinx about blocked_messages |
| 02:21.22 | here4thegear | dondelelcaro: yeah, I think that's the direction I took.. thank you |
| 02:21.28 | cantido | Darkclaw66: the thing is, there are plenty of ways to do calendars.. if outlook uses some microsoft protocol thats top secret you might be out of luck |
| 02:21.53 | Darkclaw66 | I know that, but thanks for sharing the obvious |
| 02:22.14 | Darkclaw66 | all I asked was: is there a server I can install that will allow me to run an Outlook Calendar server on my unix machine? |
| 02:22.18 | cantido | maybe it stores calendars over imap.. |
| 02:22.21 | Darkclaw66 | if you don't have the answer don't answer |
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| 02:22.35 | cantido | in which case you don't need any server other than an imap one.. you see |
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| 02:22.40 | nsadmin | Darkclaw66: you're running debian? |
| 02:23.36 | jpinx | Darkclaw66: run it on wine ;) |
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| 02:24.04 | cantido | Darkclaw66: outlook appears to push and pull calendars over imap |
| 02:24.13 | cantido | Darkclaw66: or at least you can access them over imap |
| 02:24.14 | Darkclaw66 | protocol is irrelevant |
| 02:24.27 | Darkclaw66 | there needs to a server behind the protocol to handle it |
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| 02:24.55 | slowsark | But if you don't know the protocol, then how can you set up the server for it? |
| 02:24.55 | cantido | Darkclaw66: yes, but it might not be a "outlook calendar" server, it might be a simple file server |
| 02:25.04 | cantido | ran away |
| 02:25.20 | deco | lol |
| 02:25.36 | slowsark | Hmmm. First you must know the question, only then will you know what the answer means. |
| 02:25.39 | blast_hardcheese | Hey, I'm trying to get my Tablet PC's touchscreen working; Most of the suggestions have been to use the Wacom driver, that doesn't seem to be working. |
| 02:25.41 | blast_hardcheese | It's a serial touchscreen connected to /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 02:26.29 | cantido | slowsark: people don't investigate their own questions half the time |
| 02:26.52 | slowsark | good point. |
| 02:27.51 | zinx | blast_hardcheese: first step is to figure out which touchscreen it is, or at least what protocol it uses. |
| 02:27.55 | cantido | simple google reveils that outlook seems to use imap to pull and store some file containing its calendar entries, so dovecot or something might do... google is great |
| 02:28.01 | Noike | Hi i stil cant use my usb-serial adaptor work. Seem non reliable data sent. Have do you guys hae experienced? |
| 02:28.30 | blast_hardcheese | zinx: Yeah, that's what I've been trying to figure out; I've taken it apart and haven't found anything particularly useful, |
| 02:28.42 | zinx | blast_hardcheese: have you tried google? |
| 02:28.45 | blast_hardcheese | I was wondering if there was some command that would identify it |
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| 02:28.47 | cantido | Noike: are you using a USB -> TTL serial adaptor with a device that wants RS232 levels by anychance? |
| 02:28.48 | blast_hardcheese | Yes, of course |
| 02:28.58 | blast_hardcheese | There is so little documentation on this thing it's depressing |
| 02:29.07 | zinx | blast_hardcheese: did it come with software? you could see which software that is :/ |
| 02:29.20 | blast_hardcheese | Embedded Windows 98 |
| 02:29.38 | Noike | Yes |
| 02:29.53 | blast_hardcheese | Embedded, in this sense, meaning "Good luck getting a normal shell or control panel or anything |
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| 02:29.59 | scales11 | hi guys. i am a ubuntu user, but their irc channel is swamped with people who dont know how to google. i have been trying to find a solution for weeks any chance one of you would mind taking a look at my problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7463988#post7463988 |
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| 02:30.17 | slowsark | What's your problem? |
| 02:30.29 | cantido | Noike: also I've found that there are some cheap adaptors, ones with non-FTDI chipsets, that are pretty shit generally and worse if your usb port can't supply enough current |
| 02:30.50 | cantido | scales11: solution for ubuntu? install debian? |
| 02:30.57 | blast_hardcheese | Hurr |
| 02:31.09 | here4thegear | ok, that wasn't it. What I'm looking to do is to take the users who already exist (who can log on to my server) and extract those username and passwords to a .htpasswd file.. using htpasswd command itself forces me to create a new password (or figure out what their password was). |
| 02:31.31 | jpinx | scales11: install debian ;) |
| 02:31.37 | scales11 | cantido: ha. ubuntu works fine, it isnt the problem. |
| 02:31.44 | scales11 | i tried debian in the past. |
| 02:31.49 | jpinx | and yes scales11 I did read your paste |
| 02:31.49 | slowsark | scales11: then what is the problem? |
| 02:31.51 | scales11 | wasnt for me |
| 02:31.58 | zinx | slowsark: "it doesn't work" |
| 02:32.03 | zinx | slowsark: according to the paste. |
| 02:32.17 | slowsark | ah. Well, then, hit it with a bigger hammer |
| 02:32.27 | zinx | slowsark: and one wonders why he got no help, eh? |
| 02:32.27 | scales11 | haha. ok sorry let me try and be more specific. the wireless network doesnt show up |
| 02:32.37 | Gnurdux | is anyone aware of a recent bug in the intel driver that makes CPU usage of Xorg rocket during a number of tasks? |
| 02:32.41 | scales11 | ok shame on me sorry |
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| 02:32.57 | Gnurdux | for example, the system monitor uses 100% of the CPU to display itself |
| 02:33.03 | Gnurdux | (gnome-system-monitor) |
| 02:33.12 | Gnurdux | well really Xorg does |
| 02:33.13 | scales11 | anyway, i didnt quite follow the tutorial i linked to exactly cause i use a different wifi card |
| 02:33.22 | Gnurdux | firefox often makes pu usage go up too |
| 02:33.24 | scales11 | but i was wondering if what i did makes sense |
| 02:33.27 | Gnurdux | has anyoen hear of this? |
| 02:33.39 | jaggz | I'm in lenny, must be kde3.something -- but my window translucency doesn't work at all. I enable it and set a window to 75% (force) but nothing changes. I even changed the global active/inactive ones to 70 or 75% and still nothing's translucent |
| 02:33.49 | adb | Gnurdux: gnome-system-monitor bug ? |
| 02:33.57 | Gnurdux | no, intel driver bug |
| 02:34.10 | cantido | Gnurdux: how have you confirmed that? |
| 02:34.18 | Gnurdux | well, it seems reasonable |
| 02:34.22 | Gnurdux | i have not confirmed the cause |
| 02:34.32 | Gnurdux | however, the huge cpu usage is in Xorg, according to top |
| 02:34.53 | ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to start / enable the exim mail server on debian |
| 02:34.54 | valan | i see issues with gnome-system-monitor on my system, but not pertaining to the cpu |
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| 02:35.09 | cantido | Gnurdux: you said its the intel driver.. |
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| 02:35.24 | Gnurdux | that is basically a guess |
| 02:35.29 | adb | Gnurdux: see bts |
| 02:35.29 | jpinx | Gnurdux: depends on how much cpu you have to start with - 100% of 33Mhz would not be hard |
| 02:35.34 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 02:35.45 | Gnurdux | i have a nonterrible but nongreat cpu: pentium 4 2.8ghz |
| 02:35.52 | Gnurdux | ~4 years old |
| 02:35.57 | ksnp | hi, can anyone tell me how to start / enable the exim mail server on debian |
| 02:36.02 | cantido | Gnurdux: what intel chipset? |
| 02:36.13 | Gnurdux | 865 iirc |
| 02:36.19 | valan | ksnp /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 02:36.27 | jpinx | ksnp: /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 02:36.31 | cantido | Gnurdux: maybe its handing off some graphics task to software, hence xorg using lots of cpu time |
| 02:36.33 | Gnurdux | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 02:36.35 | jpinx | :) valan |
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| 02:38.17 | valan | i need to do stuffs |
| 02:38.20 | valan | oh well |
| 02:38.22 | zinx | scales11: support for master mode varies from driver to driver; support (even using the driver you're using) for that card seems poor/hackish at best |
| 02:38.27 | scales11 | jpinx: slowsark: since i cannot see any wifi, does it make sense for me to replace madwifi with the module zd1211b? in the "driver=xxxxx" part of the hostapd.conf file? |
| 02:38.43 | scales11 | zinx: yeah it is a little hackish, |
| 02:38.51 | scales11 | zinx: but i can test it and it does work |
| 02:38.58 | zinx | scales11: define "does work" |
| 02:39.01 | valan | eh i've yet to personally use a card that can do master mode |
| 02:39.45 | zinx | scales11: note that anything other than master mode working is irrelevant |
| 02:40.04 | zinx | scales11: it's completely different from the other modes :/ |
| 02:40.54 | cantido | does master mode work with any recent in-kernel drivers... like on atheros chipsets it only works with the madwifi drivers |
| 02:41.10 | zinx | scales11: also, hostapd expects a hostapd driver, not the module you're using |
| 02:41.10 | scales11 | zinx: for one when i type iwconfig essid mynetwork mode master it did work.. |
| 02:41.17 | scales11 | although now, i dont see my wlan0 |
| 02:41.18 | scales11 | humm |
| 02:41.21 | scales11 | crap |
| 02:41.46 | cantido | scales11: buy a cheap AP :) |
| 02:41.47 | scales11 | zinx: define hostapd driver? |
| 02:41.54 | zinx | scales11: man hostapd |
| 02:42.03 | scales11 | cantido: i know i know |
| 02:42.07 | scales11 | zinx: will do |
| 02:42.09 | zinx | scales11: i don't have the man pages handy here since i don't have it installed, but 'wext' is probably what you want |
| 02:42.18 | zinx | (just guessing, though) |
| 02:42.20 | scales11 | ok let me check |
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| 02:43.27 | here4thegear | cut -f1,2 -d: /etc/shadow | egrep -iv "(\*|\!)" > .htpasswd that's the one it was |
| 02:43.35 | scales11 | hostapd is a user space daemon for access point and authentication |
| 02:43.35 | scales11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.35 | scales11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.35 | scales11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.35 | scales11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:44.16 | deco | victim of the flood |
| 02:44.24 | blast_hardcheese | grabs his shotgun |
| 02:44.41 | jpinx | ubuntu users :( |
| 02:44.50 | deco | yep, sums them up |
| 02:45.20 | jpinx | and then they come here and complain that their # is full of "stuff" |
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| 02:46.56 | cantido | deco: they seem to be missing the mature part of "the community" to support all the new user niggles and stuff, which is a shame |
| 02:47.02 | scales11 | ok http://pastebin.ca/1461792 |
| 02:47.09 | scales11 | i got kicked |
| 02:47.18 | scales11 | pasted too much |
| 02:47.22 | deco | cantido: indeed |
| 02:47.28 | scales11 | that is the man pages for hostapd |
| 02:47.40 | scales11 | zinx: no reference to wext, or my driver for that matter.... |
| 02:47.50 | Gnurdux | switching from EXA to XAA seems to have solved it |
| 02:47.56 | zinx | scales11: try Host AP |
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| 02:48.17 | scales11 | zinx: is that a driver? |
| 02:48.19 | zinx | scales11: if that doesn't work, try the other two :P |
| 02:48.27 | jpinx | cantido: run by kids for kids ;) |
| 02:48.30 | scales11 | zinx: haha |
| 02:48.31 | zinx | scales11: according to what you pasted (don't do that in the channel, btw) |
| 02:48.42 | scales11 | zinx: yeah i know sorry |
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| 02:49.01 | cantido | jpinx: yeah, but it means that those kids go around shouting their heads off that this "linux" thing is "shit" |
| 02:49.27 | scales11 | zinx: how do i try other drivers? i thought that the one i compiled just kinda worked? |
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| 02:49.56 | jpinx | cantido: true - but there's lots of other folks running around shouting "This XP/Vista/whatever is crap!" ;) |
| 02:50.03 | cantido | scales11: unless you have a chipset/driver that is known to work its probably not worth wasting too much time on it |
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| 02:50.38 | cmyers | I am experiencing a fairly reproducible catastrophic Xorg crash in squeeze right now. I would like to do the right thing but I think I need some assistance gathering more info for a bug report. What info would be useful to help determine the cause? |
| 02:50.54 | CaT[t3] | hey there. does anyone know where lies the file referred to by http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/secure-testing-commits/2008-May/009119.html ? |
| 02:51.16 | scales11 | cantido: well it is known to work cause it can also be done this way...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint but i didnt know how to protect the wifi network (with wpa password) |
| 02:51.31 | cmyers | The last line before the crash happens (in Xorg.log) is "FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing." |
| 02:51.58 | cantido | jpinx: mmm, the thing that annoys me is not that people can't use "linux" on the desktop, its that they bitch everywhere about it. |
| 02:52.22 | jpinx | cantido: agreed - but we all do what we can to fix that :) |
| 02:52.34 | cantido | jpinx: So ubuntu presents this shiney shiney anyone can use it XP image, but doesn't have the people to back it up. sigh |
| 02:52.40 | jpinx | cmyers: try editing the offending file |
| 02:53.16 | cantido | scales11: I'm not sure where WPA sits in the hostap stack |
| 02:53.27 | cmyers | jpinx: it is a directory, but I think I see where you are going |
| 02:53.34 | CaT[t3] | n/m |
| 02:53.35 | cmyers | you think the refcount it is talking about is the ext3 refcount? |
| 02:53.46 | jpinx | cmyers: cool -- hunt it down and nail it ;) |
| 02:53.52 | scales11 | cantido: what about in that other link i just sent. where could i enable wpa there? |
| 02:53.54 | deco | cantido: agree |
| 02:54.39 | cmyers | perhaps an fsck will un-f@#$ the problem =) |
| 02:54.39 | valan | cmyers try removing that dir from xorg.conf |
| 02:54.39 | cantido | thinks the unwashed masses should be using appliances not computers though.. hehe |
| 02:54.48 | jpinx | good for you cmyers - you're working on it:) |
| 02:55.18 | cmyers | valen: it doesn't seem to be listed in the xorg.conf anywhere |
| 02:55.37 | valan | eh it's one of them automagical xorg.conf then |
| 02:56.07 | cmyers | wow, fsck found a ton of crap. |
| 02:56.12 | valan | meh i wish i rememberd 1/2 the stuff i forgot |
| 02:56.14 | cmyers | I had better reboot and run it with -p |
| 02:56.15 | cantido | scales11: there doesnt seem to be any mention of wpa in that guide |
| 02:56.17 | jpinx | cantido: there are several types of people using linux and ubuntu users tend to be the ones who want everything to "just work" and be the version that came out yesterday after tea;) |
| 02:56.25 | cmyers | ok, guys, wish me luck =D |
| 02:56.35 | jpinx | cmyers: good luck |
| 02:56.49 | valan | http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/ubuntusuck.shtml |
| 02:56.53 | valan | is a very good article |
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| 02:57.02 | scales11 | cantido: there isnt... i would like to protect the network with wpa |
| 02:57.02 | cantido | scales11: I would have thought wpa would be something that sits in the stack above all the hardware stuff and would work with any driver that works with hostap.. |
| 02:57.32 | cantido | scales11: have you looked in /usr/share/doc/hostap or similar |
| 02:57.41 | jpinx | valan: true - but ubuntu users do not - as a rule - rtfm ;) |
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| 02:57.42 | scales11 | cantido: lets just scratch hostapd for now, and assume i went with this tutorial, which did work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint |
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| 02:57.50 | valan | heh |
| 02:58.24 | valan | instead, they whine about how linux sucks instead of finding the simplest solution to their simplest problem |
| 02:58.36 | mischief- | hello, can anyone help me with apt-mirror? i just switched my mirror, but it is going to download an additional 50GB instead of updating the current repo |
| 02:58.44 | valan | note that their problem almost never has anything to do with linux specifically |
| 02:58.46 | cantido | scales11: so, using master mode from the zdblah drivers works? |
| 02:59.01 | scales11 | yes |
| 02:59.08 | scales11 | i can confirm that |
| 02:59.21 | cantido | scales11: you can probably just set a WEP key with iwconfig and that'll wep your network .. wpa, mmmm |
| 02:59.22 | scales11 | i have in fact completed that tutorial before and it did work |
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| 02:59.46 | cantido | My spinning cube desktop doesn't work! help! |
| 02:59.46 | scales11 | cantido: but wpa is different huh? i wish it could be set just like wep... |
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| 03:00.33 | cantido | scales11: wpa client side use wpasupplicant, I'm not sure how that translates to server side |
| 03:00.45 | scales11 | cantido: k |
| 03:00.49 | valan | "My spinning cube desktop doesn't work! Help! Linux sucks i'm going back to Windows!" is more like it ;) |
| 03:01.09 | mischief- | nobody can help me with apt-mirror? |
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| 03:01.37 | scales11 | valan: cantido: well i have done that many times :) |
| 03:01.43 | cantido | valan: I just wish everyone would stop saying Linux when they really mean Xorg + other shit on top of linux, that really pisses me off |
| 03:01.58 | valan | i agree |
| 03:02.15 | valan | and now i must go do stuffs |
| 03:02.28 | jpinx | look at the number of queries about desktop related problems |
| 03:02.53 | adb | nvidia + compiz |
| 03:03.02 | cantido | scales11: they thing with all this free software stuff is that no one is really being paid to make it accessible, so for example with the wireless stuff you're playing with currently it's all written as if the users know how wireless works |
| 03:03.09 | cantido | scales11: *the thing |
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| 03:03.41 | nooper | rofl disturbedmime, approximated |
| 03:04.02 | jpinx | cantido: not unreasonable when viewed as the maker;) |
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| 03:04.10 | scales11 | cantido: yep i definately could use a little more info on the matter. there really isnt one good documentation site |
| 03:05.00 | jpinx | scales11: get in touch with the makers, mailing-list or whatever - they probably don't even know there's a problem |
| 03:05.12 | cantido | jpinx: yeah, but if you come from a world where you insert cd, press next a couple times and a complex task is done its a bit of a shock I suppose. ;~ |
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| 03:06.07 | scales11 | jpinx: cantido: i have played with pretty much every distro. arch and debian are more troublesome, but arch has a pretty good wiki. |
| 03:06.37 | cantido | scales11: debian has 20000 packages or something, you can't expect it all to just work ;) |
| 03:06.50 | jpinx | wonders what's wrong with debians wiki |
| 03:07.03 | martian67 | cantido, why |
| 03:07.09 | cantido | scales11: The great thing about wikis is that you can add stuff too |
| 03:07.11 | deco | jpinx: ubuntu users ,,,, nothing more to say |
| 03:07.23 | scales11 | jpinx: nothing, i just would note that arch's wiki is a little easier for someone to read and has more if then scenerios |
| 03:07.31 | scales11 | arch is still a royale pain to setup |
| 03:07.42 | scales11 | though i dont know if debian is much better |
| 03:07.43 | deco | scales11: if you don't know how to use linux |
| 03:07.44 | cantido | martian67: When I say just work I mean, install, it picks best default and does its job. That doesnt work for things like hostap, setting up kerberos.. |
| 03:07.53 | pickcoder | cantido: if you want a free O/S that fully supports every piece of hardware available then consider betting on the lottery |
| 03:07.59 | pickcoder | you'll have better luck |
| 03:08.13 | cantido | pickcoder: exactly. theres no os that just works |
| 03:08.20 | jpinx | scales11: debian "just works" on most reasonably common hardware |
| 03:08.22 | scales11 | deco: no it isnt quite that. little things like i have to install bash completion, then i need to enable it to work for more things |
| 03:08.39 | martian67 | cantido, well thats not even desirable in many cases |
| 03:08.54 | scales11 | deco: and even then it still doesnt tab complete install stuff |
| 03:09.00 | martian67 | but example configurations are nice |
| 03:09.14 | scales11 | jpinx: i think debian is pretty reasonable like you say |
| 03:09.15 | pickcoder | cantido: if you buy a Mac it does.. |
| 03:09.17 | pickcoder | :) |
| 03:09.21 | scales11 | i hate macs |
| 03:09.26 | scales11 | well |
| 03:09.27 | pickcoder | of course you'll end up paying twice the $ for the same PC hardware |
| 03:09.30 | scales11 | hate OS rather |
| 03:09.30 | cantido | martian67: debconf is a good framework for configuring software though :) |
| 03:09.30 | slowsark | debian works quite well on a large range of hardwe. Sometimes it just requires a little prodding. And a kernel rebuild. |
| 03:09.34 | scales11 | pickcoder: and that |
| 03:09.34 | cantido | pickcoder: I'm using a mac |
| 03:09.51 | scales11 | cantido: i just hate the os |
| 03:09.53 | cantido | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.05 | cantido | it has more issues with osx than debian |
| 03:10.05 | martian67 | cantido, not a real fan myself |
| 03:10.08 | slowsark | scales11: what's wrong with apt-cache search, then apt-cache install? |
| 03:10.21 | martian67 | cantido, i like to do things close to the app, without all that abstraction |
| 03:10.23 | pickcoder | apt-cache doesn't not install |
| 03:10.27 | jpinx | slowsark: aptitude now |
| 03:10.27 | pickcoder | it's a cached db search tool |
| 03:10.28 | scales11 | slowsark: nothing i like apt-cache and apt-get |
| 03:10.31 | slowsark | err, apt-get |
| 03:10.37 | slowsark | typo/thino |
| 03:10.38 | pickcoder | you should use aptitude |
| 03:10.39 | slowsark | thinko |
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| 03:10.47 | scales11 | why aptitude over apt-get? |
| 03:10.48 | scales11 | i thought apt-get caught up or something? |
| 03:10.48 | pickcoder | the dependancy solver was rewritten |
| 03:10.50 | slowsark | ack, never liked aptitud |
| 03:10.54 | slowsark | too much of a pain. |
| 03:10.54 | jpinx | !why aptitude |
| 03:10.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 03:12.06 | mischief- | hello, can anyone help me with apt-mirror? i just switched my mirror, but it is going to download an additional 50GB instead of updating the current repo |
| 03:12.09 | scales11 | !why apt-get |
| 03:12.24 | scales11 | *cricket* |
| 03:12.27 | deco | failed |
| 03:12.29 | cantido | aptitude does some random stuff sometimes.. like it keeps insisting that I need to install apache2 even though I have lighttpd to met that dependency.. gah |
| 03:12.42 | slowsark | Now, see, Debian neeeds to get it's act together and geet software that works on Anything. I wanna run Linux on my Prime 6650 :) |
| 03:12.58 | jpinx | cantido: do aptitude without recommends |
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| 03:13.22 | cantido | slowsark: you should install Xorg + compiz on that DX and the file a bug that it "Doesn't work!!" |
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| 03:14.10 | cantido | jpinx: yeah I know, its just a bit random that it does it. Things have really improved since woody though :) |
| 03:14.19 | jpinx | mischief-: paste your sources |
| 03:15.09 | jpinx | cantido: aptitude does far more than just sort out installing packages - it's worth reading the how-to's |
| 03:15.18 | slowsark | cantido: Yeah! And I need to file a report, 'caus the installer asks for 32 meg, warns me that it won't work, then turns around and runs out of RAM with only 20 meg! |
| 03:15.33 | cantido | slowsark: the cheeky bastard! |
| 03:17.01 | cantido | I would suggest installing on a 386 instead.. but I don't think you can boot debian on a real 386 anymore |
| 03:17.01 | adb | slowsark: run on low memory mode |
| 03:17.03 | slowsark | cantido: I tried that, but my 386en don't have enough ram. Boots the kernel, crashes in the installeer. |
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| 03:17.16 | mischief- | jpinx: http://pastebin.com/f785e34c5 i used to have mirror.kernel.org |
| 03:17.24 | slowsark | adb: low memory mode didn't work. Ran slam out of RAM trying to retrieve libc6 |
| 03:17.39 | adb | oh |
| 03:17.50 | slowsark | They really should have allowed you to add swap space first thing. |
| 03:18.14 | ksnp | hi, anyone know if ssh connections that go stale due to network disconnection, are they cleaned up after some time out in the debian ? |
| 03:18.21 | cantido | slowsark: it'd take a long time to install if it was swapping out at that stage though |
| 03:18.28 | slowsark | So, I did some digging, found four more 4meg simms, and replaced the four 1meg simms. |
| 03:18.39 | slowsark | cantido: better than crashing though. |
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| 03:19.10 | cantido | ksnp: netstat -an should show you |
| 03:19.11 | jpinx | mischief- you're running sid? |
| 03:19.15 | mischief- | jpinx: yes. |
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| 03:19.46 | jpinx | !sid |
| 03:19.47 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 03:19.48 | slowsark | cantido: honstly, if someone's as fool as me to install the latest Debian on a freaking 486, the time it takes to install isn't a concern. |
| 03:19.50 | ksnp | cantido : how to i kill them, or automatically clean them up when the ssh terminal is gone, because of network outage ? |
| 03:20.29 | ksnp | cantido : let's say i don't have access to the server, but i connect remotely using ssh, and my network connection is bad and get disconnected, does the server clean up these stale ones after some time out ? |
| 03:20.34 | cantido | ksnp: um, if the connection is lost I think it waits for some timeout out (waiting for an ack or something) and then gets cleaned up |
| 03:20.35 | jpinx | mischief-: you might find it easier to use stable with backports |
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| 03:21.36 | mischief- | jpinx: that doesn't help the issue at hand, apt-mirror is the same ver in both |
| 03:22.06 | adb | mischief-: file a bug report than |
| 03:22.17 | cantido | ksnp: If the network gets disconnected it should be fine. I've seen problems with one box ssh'ing into another for rsync and then the ssh client dying somewhere, locking, then another ssh client getting ran by cron, dying... until one boxes has used all the sockets up on the other before though. ;) |
| 03:22.24 | jpinx | mischief-: did you have the src mirror before? |
| 03:22.37 | mischief- | yes |
| 03:22.43 | cantido | ksnp: *until one of the boxes |
| 03:22.54 | mischief- | i had deb and deb-src for mirror.kernel.org |
| 03:22.57 | jpinx | mischief- you were working from some odd mirror whch didn't have the whole distro maybe? |
| 03:23.10 | mischief- | mirror.kernel.org? |
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| 03:23.28 | jpinx | mischief-: that's not debian |
| 03:23.30 | lincoln_ | Hey, does anyone use a Direct Connect client? I just downloaded LinuxDC++ and don't know which hub or how to connect. Never used this thing... |
| 03:23.30 | cantido | ksnp: you can setup a timeout in the sshd to stop that happening though, so if the otherside doesnt reply the sshd terminates the connection |
| 03:23.37 | mischief- | i found mirror.kernel.org was not as updated as my current mirror |
| 03:23.43 | cantido | lincoln_: I'm sure someones used it. |
| 03:23.44 | mischief- | jpinx: how is that not debian? |
| 03:23.59 | jpinx | it's a kernel mirror |
| 03:24.17 | cantido | jpinx: kernel.org mirrors other stuff too |
| 03:24.20 | ksnp | cantido : cool, thanks. |
| 03:24.22 | jpinx | mischief-: I really believe that you'd be better with stable and backports |
| 03:24.54 | mischief- | jpinx: is reversing the stable->sid process easy....? |
| 03:24.55 | jpinx | cantido: fair enough, but someone using sid should know their way around;) |
| 03:25.19 | ksnp | cantido : is the username also and entire session encrypted with ssh ? |
| 03:25.29 | cantido | ksnp: ClientAliveInterval 300 |
| 03:25.40 | jpinx | cantido: it's another ubuntu-ism - run sid 'cos it's got the latest shiny apps - but forgetting that sid bites |
| 03:25.49 | cantido | ksnp: is the option to keep the client alive and kill it off it doesnt respond I think |
| 03:25.56 | cantido | ksnp: of course |
| 03:26.06 | jpinx | mischief-: no |
| 03:26.14 | ksnp | cool, thanks |
| 03:26.30 | mischief- | jpinx: feasible? |
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| 03:26.58 | jpinx | mischief-: depends what you've got running |
| 03:27.08 | cantido | ksnp: you can use ssh for tunneling alsorts of data securely. It's a really useful bit of kit. |
| 03:27.33 | jpinx | !tell mischief- about downgrading |
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| 03:29.00 | martian67 | cantido, apparently the devs have "big plans" |
| 03:29.11 | martian67 | but arnt really specific about what that entails |
| 03:29.17 | ksnp | cantido : reboot should clear all sockets right ? |
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| 03:30.05 | ksnp | cantido : i am going to start with ssh first, and then try others :) |
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| 03:31.15 | cantido | ksnp: yeah, reboot should do that ;). There are stats about all the sockets and stuff are in use in /proc/sys/net if you feel like digging around |
| 03:31.50 | cantido | martian67: mmm I wonder what more it could do without being a totally different application |
| 03:32.06 | martian67 | cantido, not sure |
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| 03:33.32 | cantido | Once you know about openssh's port forwarding and stuff like that you don't know how you lived without it. |
| 03:33.55 | elik | Any common issues with java lately??? |
| 03:33.57 | mischief- | who doesn't know about it o.O |
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| 03:34.00 | ksnp | cantido : i guess i'll start with this and dig soon :) |
| 03:34.00 | martian67 | its got VPN functionality aswell |
| 03:34.07 | cantido | elik: Example? |
| 03:34.12 | martian67 | a lot of people dont realize that :) |
| 03:34.12 | ksnp | martian : you tell me ? |
| 03:34.28 | martian67 | ksnp, tell you what? |
| 03:34.31 | ksnp | vpn |
| 03:34.36 | elik | cantido, say, virtual machine not starting, or matlab |
| 03:34.37 | cantido | mischief-: I use ssh to watch tv from the UK in Asia.. really useful tool ;) |
| 03:34.40 | ksnp | nvermind |
| 03:34.49 | martian67 | ksnp, read the manpage |
| 03:34.50 | ksnp | cantido : ?! |
| 03:34.53 | ksnp | ok.. |
| 03:35.00 | ksnp | cantido : howcome ?? |
| 03:35.04 | ksnp | lol |
| 03:35.04 | cantido | elik: Mmmm running netbeans and glassfish fine here |
| 03:35.06 | jpinx | cantido: that's one hell of a speedy connection you've got ;) |
| 03:35.15 | cantido | jpinx: 20mbit I think |
| 03:35.20 | martian67 | yea, usually asian internation connections |
| 03:35.22 | martian67 | blow ass |
| 03:35.38 | pickcoder | cantido: no wonder you love the port fowarding |
| 03:35.45 | ksnp | cantido - have you used the exim server on debian ? |
| 03:35.57 | cantido | jpinx: get public ipv6 and ipv4 addresses for each machine behind the modem |
| 03:35.58 | jpinx | cantido: 35KB/s here :( |
| 03:35.58 | redstick | guys, how can i troubleshoot my ath5k driver? it shows that wlan0 is up and all but its not, it wont recieve |
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| 03:36.07 | pickcoder | I'd rather shave a ferret than try to use port fowarding through ssh |
| 03:36.15 | cantido | pickcoder: 250mbit or something is getting deployed in the uk now |
| 03:36.19 | pickcoder | openvpn is slow enough |
| 03:36.32 | cantido | pickcoder: 50mbit is pretty common around london.. I used to have 10 though |
| 03:36.37 | ferret_ | o.o |
| 03:36.42 | jpinx | hands pickcoder a ferret and a sharp knife |
| 03:36.51 | martian67 | pickcoder, whats so hard about it? |
| 03:36.54 | ferret_ | o.o! |
| 03:37.03 | martian67 | its a great deal easier to set up than openvpn |
| 03:37.16 | pickcoder | hard? |
| 03:37.17 | pickcoder | nothing |
| 03:37.20 | pickcoder | the compression blows |
| 03:37.29 | cantido | ksnp: I have a machine running in the uk with a proxy and forward the port over ssh to here so that I can watch the BBC and stuff |
| 03:37.38 | pickcoder | openvpn is straining enough on my 6MB DSL |
| 03:37.45 | ksnp | cool |
| 03:37.58 | jpinx | cantido: as a matter of interest - what's it cost to you per month? |
| 03:38.01 | cantido | pickcoder: do you have stupid download caps though? |
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| 03:38.36 | cantido | jpinx: um I think it costs about 5000 yen or something, I'd have to ask the other half, she pays here I pay in the uk heh |
| 03:38.42 | pickcoder | I have a 256K up cap |
| 03:38.42 | valan | i use ssh port forwarding sometimes |
| 03:38.44 | ksnp | is it possible to have a router port forward to the debian that is running openvpn, and reach the entire LAN, the debian is on without having to log into the debian except running the openvpn client on the remote machine ? |
| 03:38.58 | valan | when i'm behind a firewall that won't let me play my mud game! ;) |
| 03:38.58 | ksnp | remote OPENVPN client i mean |
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| 03:39.14 | ksnp | and router forwarding the openvpn port to the debian |
| 03:39.19 | cantido | pickcoder: My cable connection in the uk has prime time slots , if you download more than a gig in the daytime you get you connection capped to 2mbit heh |
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| 03:39.42 | superlinux_ | hi |
| 03:39.54 | jpinx | hola superlinux_ |
| 03:39.54 | cantido | ksnp: you can use openvpn as a gateway yes |
| 03:40.01 | superlinux_ | where does apt store the package indexes? |
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| 03:40.10 | superlinux_ | jpinx: hola |
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| 03:40.16 | cantido | /var/lib/apt isn't it? |
| 03:41.00 | superlinux_ | lemme check |
| 03:41.00 | ksnp | cantido : when you say use as gateway, the debian OpenVPN server acts as the gateway to its LAN and one can reach this LAN from outside using an OpenVPN client ? |
| 03:41.00 | superlinux_ | cos i don't want to cos my self more from the data allowance |
| 03:41.00 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.34 | cantido | ksnp: yes, with openvpn both the openvpn server and any clients connected can offer to route traffic to any network they are connected to |
| 03:41.36 | pickcoder | ksnp: you can link two boxen with openvpn using client+server in bridged mode |
| 03:41.46 | pickcoder | if you know what you're doing with the routing |
| 03:41.55 | ksnp | cool. |
| 03:42.03 | cantido | ksnp: openvpn has configuration options to push out routes and stuff |
| 03:42.06 | pickcoder | there's no 10.0.0.0 subnet |
| 03:42.12 | superlinux_ | jpinx: that's the archives, which is the downloaded pkgs |
| 03:42.16 | jpinx | superlinux_: you can do aptitude install --without-recommends if you're limited on your downloads |
| 03:42.22 | pickcoder | just a direct hop across the VPN |
| 03:42.23 | ksnp | cantido : is openvpn very CPU/mem intensive ? i have debian on a vmware with 256 MB right now - can i support 2 simultaneous clients |
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| 03:43.02 | cantido | ksnp: openvpn is all in userspace, so I think the latency is a bit high.. but it doesn't seem to consume much in the way of resources |
| 03:43.17 | superlinux_ | i just dont have a connection there, i'll have to be on wireless |
| 03:43.27 | ksnp | cantido : ok.. so with a client and server on two different LANs, i can basically do a site to site VPN ? |
| 03:43.29 | cantido | ksnp: I've had it running in a similar vm with 10 users before |
| 03:43.29 | superlinux_ | i just must be wirelesss |
| 03:43.43 | ksnp | ok.. |
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| 03:44.09 | scales11 | hello once more. i would like to ask another question, one i think would be easier. using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint i have set up my computer. my wifi driver supports master mode, i have tried it. i am following the guide exactly with one exception. i do not have two eth0 cards therefore i am just using one. as a result i am bridging eth0 and wlan0 and replacing their eth1 with eth0. thoughts? |
| 03:44.13 | pickcoder | cantido: I bet that was fun routing |
| 03:44.13 | cantido | ksnp: yes, you can configure machines on one side to use a openvpn client as a gateway to a network behind the server and the other way around |
| 03:44.28 | ksnp | ok.. i have to use them as a gateway .. |
| 03:44.36 | superlinux_ | na! could not find it in /var/lib/apt |
| 03:44.45 | cantido | pickcoder: in what way? |
| 03:44.51 | ksnp | so if i have a router to which a few devices are attached - they will use the router as default gatway - i have to change that i guess ? |
| 03:45.04 | pickcoder | cantido: the vm routing from the tun device |
| 03:45.21 | cantido | ksnp: no, you add routes to the different networks |
| 03:45.30 | cantido | pickcoder: ah, the vm has its own real nic |
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| 03:45.53 | jpinx | superlinux_: Download packages to the package cache as necessary, but do not install or remove anything. By default, the package cache is stored in /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 03:46.09 | jpinx | superlinux_: man aptitude |
| 03:46.21 | cantido | pickcoder: and public ip and stuff, so its the same as it running on a real machine |
| 03:46.42 | superlinux_ | jpinx: i have copied them |
| 03:46.51 | pickcoder | ksnp: you really have to have a grasp of your routing setup and how to route between subnets to do what you want |
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| 03:47.07 | cantido | ksnp: you'll need to read the docs carefully, but openvpn is also a very useful tool |
| 03:47.09 | ksnp | cantido : "no, you add routes to the different networks" - i thought i change the gateway to use the openvpn client as the gateway on client side and for reaching other lan, all these chnaged-gateway-devices can reach other side LAN ? |
| 03:47.18 | ksnp | ok.. |
| 03:47.44 | ksnp | i hvae played with the windows routing table to configure what traffic goes through which interface |
| 03:47.57 | ksnp | what traffic goes - based on the dest ip |
| 03:48.02 | ksnp | i guess i do understand that a bit |
| 03:48.05 | pickcoder | ksnp: you can do that.. if you configure the VPN to be a transparent bridge |
| 03:48.13 | ksnp | hehe.. not sure what that is.. |
| 03:48.22 | pickcoder | the problem there is you have no control over ports and such |
| 03:48.27 | cantido | ksnp: so you have a network 192.168.1.0/24 behind a openvpn server, you configure openvpn to send a route out to any connecting clients that tells them to route traffic to 192.168.1.0/24 through the openvpn server |
| 03:48.41 | ksnp | ok, got it |
| 03:49.09 | ksnp | what about other devices on the same LAN as the openvpn client ? is it possible to for them to reach the server side LAN through this client - how ? |
| 03:49.38 | cantido | ksnp: I forget the exact configuration... but yes if you configure it you can route stuff through a client too |
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| 03:50.32 | pickcoder | (it's not secure, IMO) |
| 03:50.45 | cantido | ksnp: I have a machine in the office in the uk that is a client to an openvpn server running in germany somewhere.. and then people connect their clients up to germany and do printouts in the uk |
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| 03:51.01 | pickcoder | I like having return-route control over the VPN clients |
| 03:51.20 | pickcoder | no return route on the machine, no packets go home |
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| 03:52.02 | cantido | pickcoder: I think I may have hacked it up with masq.. been a long time since I touched it |
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| 03:52.48 | ksnp | cantido : cool |
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| 03:53.58 | cantido | ksnp: with anything like that.. if you configure it badly it can all fail apart very quickly. heh |
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| 03:55.19 | jigp | hello guys just want to ask if gnomebaker is a good tool for burning my important files.. thanks |
| 03:55.56 | cantido | jigp: the tool you burn the files with shouldn't change the quality of the burn and resulting disc |
| 03:56.31 | jigp | i installed gnomebaker |
| 03:56.39 | jigp | thanks |
| 03:56.39 | cantido | congratulations |
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| 03:56.46 | jigp | thank you :) |
| 03:56.53 | jigp | first time to use debian :) |
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| 03:57.15 | jigp | im from 9.04 ubuntu.i couldnt get it working.always hanged |
| 03:57.17 | ajavid | evry single time I use ubuntu |
| 03:57.21 | ajavid | it makes me realize why debian is better |
| 03:57.28 | jigp | correct |
| 03:57.31 | cantido | ajavid: less brown? |
| 03:57.32 | ajavid | I am so much thankful to ubuntu, with ALL sincerity |
| 03:57.32 | jigp | debian is less resources |
| 03:57.38 | ajavid | ubuntu sucks |
| 03:57.43 | jigp | hehe ajavid |
| 03:57.51 | ajavid | no |
| 03:57.57 | cantido | jigp: mmm thats not a good argument on why one is better than the other though |
| 03:57.59 | jigp | you are thankful but ubuntu sucks? |
| 03:57.59 | ajavid | the community is horrible |
| 03:58.03 | ajavid | forget the software |
| 03:58.10 | jigp | cantido : ive been using ubuntu for 1 yr |
| 03:58.19 | ajavid | I'm thaknful for ubuntu, that anytime I go, o man deian is tooold, it sucks, le tme try ubuntu |
| 03:58.25 | jigp | i guess its time to switch to the real os |
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| 03:58.33 | ksnp | cantido : thanks for the cool stuff. i think i am going to give openvpn a shot and see soon.. |
| 03:58.33 | cantido | I've been using debian for almost a decade now.. |
| 03:58.34 | ajavid | the software, the community, theyboth make mre realize, EACH TIME, how much better debian is |
| 03:58.41 | ajavid | THAT is what I'm thankful for |
| 03:59.01 | ajavid | I maintain packages here, I work on the debian installer, I give my life to debian |
| 03:59.07 | ajavid | I'd give my left testicle for debian :) |
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| 03:59.28 | cantido | ksnp: if you're new to debian/linux you'll find there's a ton of really good stuff out there if you're prepared to do a bit of reading. :) |
| 03:59.34 | jigp | ajavid : nice to know that. |
| 03:59.39 | jigp | i dont know developers |
| 03:59.47 | jigp | all i know is debian |
| 03:59.50 | ajavid | yeh, I'm trying to be a developer so its gonna take a long time |
| 04:00.06 | ajavid | I'm friens with a lot of debian developers in real life and i learn a LOT from them |
| 04:00.09 | jigp | just downloaded the debian last week for like 3 days |
| 04:00.12 | jigp | damn slow net |
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| 04:00.20 | cantido | ajavid: Debian only wants your testicle if its the only one you have. Otherwise you could be teasing |
| 04:00.26 | ajavid | lol |
| 04:01.09 | jigp | wahehehe |
| 04:01.16 | ajavid | in fact, I'm trying to finalize php-gtk2 for debian |
| 04:01.26 | ajavid | thas the one I'm maintianing, and gonna upload to ftp soon |
| 04:01.37 | ajavid | then onto php-qt |
| 04:01.45 | ajavid | package that up and do stuff with it |
| 04:01.46 | cantido | graphical applications with php... oh noes |
| 04:01.54 | valan | it's nothing new |
| 04:01.56 | ajavid | yeh yeh yeh, rail on php all you want |
| 04:01.58 | ajavid | its alright |
| 04:02.14 | cantido | ajavid: its fine, just maybe not for long running apps |
| 04:02.16 | valan | php can be a very powerful language |
| 04:02.20 | ajavid | I wouldn't use it for gui apps, but its debian, and i think php-gtk should be avilable in debian should someone find a use/need fo rit sometime |
| 04:02.47 | valan | i forget what it's called, but there's a nice, feature rich ide made with php-gtk |
| 04:02.48 | jigp | ajavid : where you from sir?you too cantido |
| 04:02.55 | ajavid | Pakistan |
| 04:03.01 | jigp | you too valan |
| 04:03.02 | ajavid | Lahore, Pakistan, Punjab :) |
| 04:03.08 | cantido | jigp: England, in Japan |
| 04:03.09 | jigp | nice |
| 04:03.12 | ajavid | I'm teh Punjabi! |
| 04:03.19 | valan | i be from the us of a |
| 04:03.23 | ajavid | us and a |
| 04:03.24 | jigp | lots of people around the world who use it then |
| 04:03.24 | ajavid | ! |
| 04:03.30 | jigp | but too many people in ubuntu |
| 04:03.34 | jpinx | Peru |
| 04:03.39 | valan | but i'm in afghanistan for another couple months |
| 04:03.45 | jigp | im from davao city philippines |
| 04:03.52 | ajavid | guys |
| 04:03.58 | ajavid | can we move to #debian-chat or somthing |
| 04:04.05 | ajavid | this is getting too offtopic |
| 04:04.11 | jpinx | #debian-oftopic |
| 04:04.13 | jigp | its okay ajavid |
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| 04:04.22 | jigp | freedom to speak |
| 04:04.24 | jpinx | *#debian-offtopic |
| 04:04.27 | ajavid | I wouldn't go there if u gave me money |
| 04:04.32 | jigp | me too |
| 04:04.32 | cantido | Why has no one fixed my SSL yet? gah! |
| 04:04.34 | nirupama | how to check the syntax of rules file |
| 04:04.40 | ajavid | i like to go to #debian-chat, I'll stick to that thanks |
| 04:04.44 | enouf | #debian-chat ftw |
| 04:04.49 | valan | cantido it's because linux sucks! |
| 04:05.00 | nirupama | I did some addition and then got error and now even if i removed that line it still shows error |
| 04:05.07 | cantido | valan: ah, I thought that was it, dang! |
| 04:05.09 | nirupama | how to check what went wrong in rules file |
| 04:05.10 | jigp | cantido : same here.how to fix lftp? i cant access to my ftp using lftp |
| 04:05.15 | jigp | its always logging..... |
| 04:05.17 | enouf | (as far as having ajavid in on the convo) |
| 04:05.21 | jigp | i disabled FEAT off |
| 04:05.23 | jigp | same thing |
| 04:05.24 | ajavid | nirupama, read the nmg |
| 04:05.28 | nirupama | any command to check rules file |
| 04:05.30 | superlinux_ | jpinx: i have copied them using aptoncd |
| 04:05.37 | superlinux_ | that way waorks |
| 04:05.39 | nirupama | ajavid, what is nmg |
| 04:05.41 | superlinux_ | work |
| 04:05.49 | ajavid | !nmg |
| 04:05.49 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 04:05.51 | jigp | anyone fixed the lftp? |
| 04:06.18 | enouf | nirupama: the rules file is basically a makefile, IINM, so learn makefile editing :-) |
| 04:06.32 | ajavid | if anything check the build log |
| 04:06.40 | ajavid | compile time errors are logged |
| 04:06.42 | ajavid | if you are |
| 04:06.57 | cantido | jigp: whats wrong with it? |
| 04:07.03 | jpinx | superlinux_: cool :) |
| 04:07.37 | superlinux_ | i am not going to write it though, but i will loop-back mount it |
| 04:07.53 | superlinux_ | and add it as a file repos |
| 04:08.05 | ajavid | hey |
| 04:08.11 | jigp | cantido : if i do lftp host -u user,pass then ls to the folder it says "`ls' at 0 [Logging in...] " for like 5 hours of waiting no luck |
| 04:08.24 | ajavid | if someone in here said they want to edit boot.ini in here, would you help them? |
| 04:08.34 | jigp | cantido : but if i use sftp host, i can connect |
| 04:08.38 | cantido | I understand that SSL doesn't work for name based virtual hosts.. but if I add the SSL options in the main Apache2 config that'll enable all the vhosts to be accessed via SSL won't it? even if browsers complain |
| 04:08.46 | ajavid | Where should one go in order to learn how to edit boot.ini ? |
| 04:08.49 | jigp | lftp is nice though.very fast compared to sftp |
| 04:08.52 | valan | google! |
| 04:09.15 | superlinux_ | i would love the debian makers add the wireless in their installer, that's really missing |
| 04:09.34 | cantido | jigp: mmm do you have an ftp server running on the machine you're trying to ftp to? |
| 04:09.51 | cantido | jigp: sftp will be slow if you're machines can't encrypt stuff quick enough |
| 04:09.58 | superlinux_ | and of course is optional to run |
| 04:10.00 | valan | i with ncftp had ssl support |
| 04:10.03 | valan | ncftp is the awesomeness |
| 04:10.18 | nsadmin | wget is pretty cool too |
| 04:10.22 | zinx | try lftp? o_O |
| 04:10.34 | cantido | curl FTW |
| 04:10.42 | valan | never tried lftp |
| 04:11.01 | valan | lftp does ssl? |
| 04:11.01 | jigp | cantido : yes.lftp is ok.but how to encrypt if i use sftp? |
| 04:11.03 | nsadmin | superlinux_: wireless support is not present? |
| 04:11.12 | valan | ftp without ssl is useless to me |
| 04:11.19 | jigp | cantido : lftp always "`ls' at 0 [Logging in...] " |
| 04:11.21 | nsadmin | agreed |
| 04:11.38 | jigp | valan : yeah there is |
| 04:11.58 | mischief- | jpinx: continuing our conversation earlier, why is apt-mirror downloading the entire repo and adding it to my current mirror, when i only switched mirrors? |
| 04:12.03 | jigp | valan : but i get "`ls' at 0 [Logging in...] " ..i tried set ftp:use feat off.. still no luck |
| 04:12.08 | nsadmin | jigp: but you can't argue about what's useful or not -to him- |
| 04:12.14 | jigp | valan : sftp works fine but kinda slow |
| 04:12.22 | valan | i will likely try lftp in the near future |
| 04:12.28 | jigp | nsadmin ok |
| 04:12.32 | superlinux_ | nsadmin: not fully |
| 04:12.33 | valan | i'm not a fan of sftp |
| 04:12.38 | jigp | valan : what are you using? |
| 04:12.42 | superlinux_ | some of which needs the firmware to run |
| 04:12.47 | valan | ftp-ssl |
| 04:12.54 | superlinux_ | they don't exist |
| 04:13.00 | jpinx | mischief-: I couldn't tell you - I use lenny with backports |
| 04:13.10 | jigp | valan : ill try that |
| 04:13.21 | nsadmin | superlinux_: oh, that's a property issue, a legal issue in some cases |
| 04:13.22 | valan | it's just the basic ftp client w/ ssl |
| 04:13.25 | valan | nothing special |
| 04:13.38 | valan | in fact, it's very unspecial |
| 04:13.43 | jigp | valan : okay sudo apt-get install ftp-ssl now :) thanks |
| 04:14.01 | nsadmin | unspecialness has its uses |
| 04:14.11 | valan | i'm lazy, i alias aptitude to apt |
| 04:14.12 | nsadmin | in fact it has a wide range of uses |
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| 04:14.17 | valan | yes, unspecialness does in deed have uses |
| 04:15.13 | mischief- | jpinx: well, i may rm my apt-mirror repo and install apt-proxy instead ._. |
| 04:15.24 | nsadmin | when you combine unspecialness with stability, this yields a plugin-like system |
| 04:15.45 | nsadmin | and then you can build specialness on top. |
| 04:16.18 | nsadmin | now isn't THAT special?! o-0 |
| 04:16.26 | valan | but the base is still unspecial, which limits the specialness of the overall thing |
| 04:16.39 | nsadmin | actually it doesn't |
| 04:16.42 | valan | while specialness could be achieved, it is a limited specialness |
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| 04:16.51 | nsadmin | because you can then do anything you want |
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| 04:17.22 | valan | so you think |
| 04:17.29 | nsadmin | consider assembly language... about as unspecial as you can get... and yet, look at what your computer is doing |
| 04:17.36 | valan | wrong! |
| 04:17.42 | valan | assembly language is VERY special! |
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| 04:17.58 | valan | your concept of specialness is obviously unspecial |
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| 04:18.22 | jeeves | how can I scan all of the hosts between 216.245.224.0 - 216.245.239.255 looking for only one open port? |
| 04:18.30 | nsadmin | seful |
| 04:18.34 | nsadmin | err |
| 04:18.37 | valan | i think you need to specialize your unspecialness to get the special concept of specialness to counter the unspecialness of unspecial |
| 04:18.44 | nsadmin | as I said, I find it useful |
| 04:18.55 | valan | i don't know what i just said, i confused myself |
| 04:19.06 | valan | and now it's time to go to work |
| 04:19.11 | nsadmin | now isn't THAT special?! o-0 |
| 04:19.17 | valan | i have windows networks to maintain |
| 04:19.19 | valan | woohoo :( |
| 04:19.24 | jeeves | valan, do you have any ideas on this nmap range scan? |
| 04:19.38 | valan | i dont have time to have ideas, sorry |
| 04:21.00 | valan | actually i do have an idea |
| 04:21.09 | valan | i don't remember nmap syntax off the top of my head |
| 04:21.22 | valan | so you can use a simple shell for loop to loop through each ip |
| 04:21.25 | jeeves | valan, I know how to scan the range, but not a set of ranges |
| 04:21.30 | superlinux_ | jpinx: all done, i adive everyone to go on DVD mode if he has the size on a portable disk |
| 04:21.38 | superlinux_ | *advise |
| 04:21.39 | valan | and now i'm going to work |
| 04:21.50 | nsadmin | eats his generic banana muffin |
| 04:21.51 | superlinux_ | i'll see what will happen |
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| 04:41.36 | jeeves | can anyone take a stab @ this issue with nmap? I need to scan a non standard range of IPs for one open port and only report the ones that connect |
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| 04:43.20 | coz_ | jeeves, I dont think i could but have you tried #networking ? |
| 04:43.29 | jeeves | coz_, thanks |
| 04:44.06 | coz_ | jeeves, if not there try #linux |
| 04:44.24 | jeeves | coz_, thanks |
| 04:44.29 | coz_ | no problem |
| 04:44.30 | coz_ | :) |
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| 04:53.49 | donkeyman | chello |
| 04:53.56 | nsadmin | jello |
| 04:54.08 | donkeyman | hey can anyone show me the command to unrar a set of volumes via cli? |
| 04:54.31 | donkeyman | i can't seem to find how to do it w/ .r00 .r01 etc... |
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| 04:55.53 | ajavid | donkeyman, you have a .rar file with them |
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| 04:56.01 | ajavid | donkeyman, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 04:56.23 | ajavid | donkeyman, after which aptitude install unrar; unrar e filename.rar |
| 04:56.34 | ajavid | donkeyman, or unrar e filename.r00 |
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| 04:56.46 | ajavid | it will extract the file from pieces of the archive |
| 04:56.58 | donkeyman | awesome .. that was the switch i was looking for |
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| 04:57.05 | ajavid | donkeyman, man unrar |
| 04:57.11 | donkeyman | I use it like once a year so I can never remember the e |
| 04:57.21 | donkeyman | yeah i went thru man but couldn't remember which one it was |
| 04:57.27 | nsadmin | unrar is non-free also? |
| 04:57.32 | ajavid | I think so |
| 04:57.38 | ajavid | !+info unrar |
| 04:57.39 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:57.41 | nsadmin | I know rar is |
| 04:57.43 | wooj | nsadmin, the only unrar is the nonfree. |
| 04:57.43 | donkeyman | there's a non free v. i believe |
| 04:57.58 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:58.13 | wooj | they removed the free version I believe, because it sucked. |
| 04:58.17 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.9.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 95 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
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| 05:02.25 | nsadmin | !info unrar etch |
| 05:02.47 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 05:02.59 | nsadmin | hmm, still non-free |
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| 05:05.05 | hark | there's unrar-free |
| 05:05.17 | nsadmin | oh, is that what it is |
| 05:05.31 | torgrim | is there an "about" date for next debian release? |
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| 05:05.51 | torgrim | im trying to force our company to upgrade from etch before lenny is absolute ;) |
| 05:06.40 | stew | no estimates for squeeze have yet been made by the release team afaik |
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| 05:07.08 | torgrim | all these dependencies makes us slow in upgrading ;( |
| 05:07.12 | torgrim | i want lenny now ;) |
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| 05:09.54 | nsadmin | torgrim: lenny is absolutely good! |
| 05:10.18 | torgrim | i see so many features i would like to use |
| 05:10.21 | nsadmin | lenny is already released. |
| 05:10.29 | torgrim | yes, but we cant use it yet |
| 05:10.35 | nsadmin | why? |
| 05:10.36 | torgrim | because our software dosent run on lenny |
| 05:10.51 | nsadmin | ahh, so you have a lenny test machine |
| 05:10.54 | torgrim | and the developerteam is so slow |
| 05:11.06 | nsadmin | that stuff takes time |
| 05:11.14 | nsadmin | if you don't believe me, join the team |
| 05:11.24 | torgrim | i know, i have been working with them for 5 years now |
| 05:11.42 | torgrim | there are some python dependecy problems |
| 05:12.19 | nsadmin | just so you know, you can potentially build any version you want |
| 05:12.38 | torgrim | it will be to much of an hazzle |
| 05:12.44 | torgrim | we have now like 50 debian etch servers |
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| 05:13.08 | nsadmin | hmm. good reason to wait and let them do it |
| 05:13.15 | deco | lol |
| 05:13.24 | nsadmin | btw, why the pull towards lenny in that case? |
| 05:13.51 | torgrim | because it offers alot of other benefits |
| 05:13.56 | nsadmin | if you have these 50 servers, you -don't- fix what ain't broke |
| 05:13.57 | Arcalyth | Quick question: how long does it usually take for linux-kbuild-2.6.* to come out when a new kernel is released? |
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| 05:14.35 | torgrim | nsadmin: given enough time, it will break |
| 05:15.04 | torgrim | we still have some sarge servers, and those are a real pita to upgrade |
| 05:15.22 | torgrim | so we need to keep moving forward ;) |
| 05:15.23 | nsadmin | torgrim cmon now, that;s just marketspeek for "it's got neuuwer stupf" |
| 05:15.53 | torgrim | nsadmin: hehe, not marketspeek when you cant get upgrades anymore |
| 05:16.21 | nsadmin | you can if you take on the maintaining inhouse |
| 05:16.39 | nsadmin | but in any case they're working on it, right? |
| 05:16.48 | torgrim | going to force them now, by installing lenny on all our new servers |
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| 05:16.58 | torgrim | its either get it fixed, or dont use new hw ;) |
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| 05:17.32 | nsadmin | that would be very seriously unfriendly... the servers won't work, and the people they serve will be -angry- |
| 05:17.51 | torgrim | ill take that risk ;) |
| 05:18.04 | nsadmin | in this economy? |
| 05:18.10 | torgrim | yes |
| 05:18.27 | torgrim | not all companies are affected by the economycrisis you know |
| 05:18.34 | redstick | whats the command to print man pages again? |
| 05:18.58 | nsadmin | redstick: what kind of printer you got? |
| 05:19.08 | ajavid | redstick, I live in you |
| 05:19.29 | ajavid | redstick, Baton Rouge! |
| 05:19.35 | ajavid | stick red. |
| 05:19.57 | redstick | nsadmin, networked printer connected to a windwos desktop |
| 05:20.10 | sircrazy | hmm there was a bot in here that helped me before... |
| 05:20.12 | nsadmin | can it do postscript? |
| 05:20.20 | zinx | hahah |
| 05:20.24 | zinx | nsadmin: almost certainly no ;) |
| 05:20.37 | sircrazy | dpkg was it |
| 05:20.37 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sircrazy |
| 05:20.40 | sircrazy | yes |
| 05:20.49 | ajavid | does anyone have any dot matrix printers still in use? |
| 05:20.59 | redstick | set up through CUPS, and i dont see why it couldnt do postscript |
| 05:21.02 | sircrazy | dpkg: where is the sources.list |
| 05:21.03 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sircrazy |
| 05:21.13 | ajavid | !tell sircrazy -about sources.list |
| 05:21.17 | sircrazy | ty |
| 05:21.20 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 05:21.20 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 05:21.52 | cantido | torgrim: you could run your legacy apps inside of a etch chroot |
| 05:22.15 | cantido | torgrim: if its an issue with lenny not having the right version of python |
| 05:22.18 | torgrim | cantido: good idea. |
| 05:23.02 | cantido | torgrim: if you need more flexibility there's vserver too.. but you might get stuck with an old kernel with vserver heh |
| 05:23.27 | nsadmin | what kind of machines are they? |
| 05:23.27 | cantido | has to learn this a and an stuff again |
| 05:23.49 | torgrim | quad core blade server nsadmin |
| 05:24.03 | zinx | cantido: a before consonant sound, an before vowel sound |
| 05:24.07 | nsadmin | and you hve 30 of these? |
| 05:24.10 | cantido | has SSL working for mod_vhost_ldap .. thank god |
| 05:24.19 | torgrim | nsadmin: 40 ;) |
| 05:24.21 | nsadmin | err 50? |
| 05:24.33 | cantido | zinx: yeah I know, being English and all .. it's from not using my native language often enough |
| 05:24.52 | cantido | nsadmin: blades == high density |
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| 05:25.25 | torgrim | blades are really nice these days |
| 05:25.34 | torgrim | 14 server in 10u, with dual quad core and tons of memory |
| 05:25.49 | cantido | running networked pong games? |
| 05:25.50 | nsadmin | probably you can run xen |
| 05:26.08 | cantido | nsadmin: bit heavy for an old version of python no? |
| 05:26.10 | torgrim | nsadmin: we already run vmware for those really old legacy stuffs |
| 05:26.52 | cantido | torgrim: you can probably still use debootstrap to build a mini etch |
| 05:27.30 | cantido | nsadmin: kvm > xen anyhow :) |
| 05:28.07 | torgrim | guess that depends on your usage ;) |
| 05:28.20 | nsadmin | unless the features of lenny over etch will make at least $10k/month more than you're making now, it might not be worth losing existing customers |
| 05:28.39 | torgrim | we are not selling software |
| 05:28.51 | torgrim | we run our own software, for over own usage |
| 05:29.20 | cantido | torgrim: I'm totally against the mass deployment of vm's as we're seeing recently. KVM fills all the requirements that people should be using vm's for. |
| 05:29.21 | nsadmin | so the people who would be angry are then very close to you :P |
| 05:29.40 | cantido | torgrim: so your company makes money out of thin air? |
| 05:30.01 | torgrim | hehe no, but our customers dont really care if we have etch or lenny in the bottom |
| 05:30.06 | nsadmin | by selling thick air! |
| 05:30.08 | torgrim | its a website |
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| 05:30.19 | torgrim | cantido: i agree with you on mass deployment of vms |
| 05:30.21 | cantido | torgrim: they'll care about downtime though |
| 05:30.55 | torgrim | there wont be any downtime ;) |
| 05:31.03 | nsadmin | I just tore someone a new one for having a 30-hour downtime upgrading some ubuntu box |
| 05:31.14 | cantido | I suppose if you have 50 boxes you have enough redundency |
| 05:31.20 | torgrim | yes indeed |
| 05:31.22 | nsadmin | that is, without telling us |
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| 05:32.04 | torgrim | worst is our databasesystems, those are going to require downtime |
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| 05:32.12 | cantido | Last place I worked.. I'd reset all the exchange kit for fun every so often |
| 05:32.14 | torgrim | they are running redhat, and i cant stand that crap ;) |
| 05:32.28 | cantido | people screaming like the sky was falling in, hahaha |
| 05:32.29 | nsadmin | what database server? |
| 05:32.33 | torgrim | postgres |
| 05:33.01 | nsadmin | that should be totally easy to migrate |
| 05:33.18 | torgrim | yes, but it takes time |
| 05:33.24 | cantido | torgrim: clustered? |
| 05:33.44 | torgrim | no, they are standalone |
| 05:34.04 | torgrim | nsadmin: different versions of postgres is NOT binary compatible |
| 05:34.08 | cantido | some sort of replications then? |
| 05:34.10 | torgrim | so you will have do dump and reaload it |
| 05:34.26 | torgrim | cantido: we do walarchive backuping |
| 05:35.19 | torgrim | clustering was a performance hit we could not afford when we researched for it |
| 05:35.27 | redstick | found it, it's: man -t commandname | lpr |
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| 05:35.39 | cantido | so, your app runs on 50 servers, uses python and postgres, and generates money from no where? |
| 05:35.51 | cantido | sounds good :) |
| 05:35.59 | torgrim | as i said, its a website |
| 05:36.05 | torgrim | so the website generates money ;) |
| 05:36.13 | cantido | torgrim: none of the free databases do clustering without it being retarded in some way |
| 05:36.41 | torgrim | cantido: jeh, that was our conclution aswell |
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| 05:37.39 | cantido | trying to deploy a pretty big application on a glassfish stack.. all that stuff is clustered, then we found out there was no decent database we could deploy with it |
| 05:37.47 | cantido | major headache |
| 05:37.57 | torgrim | cantido: we put postgres storage on san instead. and do the walarchiving |
| 05:38.38 | nsadmin | does that archive the files that pg keeps? or does it have pg do dumps? |
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| 05:38.52 | torgrim | it archives transactions |
| 05:39.06 | torgrim | and you do a backup of the data, and append transactions to it if you want to recover |
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| 05:39.44 | cantido | so you have multiple instances of postgres running? |
| 05:40.04 | torgrim | yes, but they are not 100% synced at all times |
| 05:40.24 | torgrim | and it requires a restart to read in new transactions |
| 05:40.25 | cantido | sounds like mysql's sql relaying +1 |
| 05:40.50 | cantido | fine for apps that don't need write access |
| 05:41.04 | torgrim | yes, for reports for isntance |
| 05:41.13 | torgrim | its great. but for failover its not working at all ;) |
| 05:41.25 | torgrim | automatic that is |
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| 05:44.59 | nsadmin | torgrim: so, will lenny improve what you're talking about right now? |
| 05:45.06 | jigp | cantido : do you use lftp? |
| 05:45.11 | jigp | anyone uses lftp here? |
| 05:45.13 | cantido | jigp: nope |
| 05:45.30 | nsadmin | !anyone use lftp |
| 05:45.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses lftp, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:45.38 | deco | lol |
| 05:45.49 | jigp | !anyone use ftp-ssl |
| 05:45.50 | dpkg | No, no one uses ftp-ssl, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:45.59 | jigp | then what you guys used? |
| 05:46.16 | deco | !anyone use ftp |
| 05:46.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses ftp, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:46.16 | nsadmin | mostly wget |
| 05:46.30 | martian67 | !anyone use dpkg |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses dpkg, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:46.32 | martian67 | :3 |
| 05:46.47 | jigp | nsadmin : wget is like ftp? |
| 05:46.49 | martian67 | dpkg has created a universe destroying paradox |
| 05:46.49 | dpkg | martian67: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:46.55 | torgrim | nsadmin: first of all, i can get rid of some redhat machines (hardware not supported by lenny), and you have rsyslogd, swapoff by default. |
| 05:47.05 | martian67 | dpkg rude :( |
| 05:47.05 | dpkg | martian67: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:47.10 | torgrim | nsadmin: also, its good to keep up, for security issues later on. |
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| 05:47.53 | nsadmin | but you're really going to upgrade them all and cause potentially weeks of downtime? :) cmon, you must be joking :) |
| 05:48.15 | torgrim | nsadmin: im pretty sure we can do it without any downtime. ;) |
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| 05:48.47 | nsadmin | pretty sure comes under the category of famous last words :) |
| 05:49.02 | torgrim | nsadmin: hehe ;) |
| 05:49.16 | martian67 | what could possibly go wrong :) |
| 05:49.28 | nsadmin | oh, there's anotehr one! |
| 05:49.35 | torgrim | nsadmin: all is very redudantly build. so i can take my time. we have for isntance 12 webservers.. |
| 05:49.47 | torgrim | nsadmin: so if one breaks, then ill halt the rest of the upgrades |
| 05:49.53 | nsadmin | "I think I can climb out of this manhole now..." |
| 05:50.24 | martian67 | in all honesty |
| 05:50.39 | martian67 | ive rarely seen debian security upgrades break anything |
| 05:50.43 | nsadmin | if they;'re making money when they're running, you really really want to minimize downtime... |
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| 05:50.58 | martian67 | but i wouldnt want the one time to be my job :) |
| 05:51.04 | nsadmin | that's true, but he says the new python doesn't work for their app |
| 05:51.06 | torgrim | nsadmin: yeh and i can. upgrade 1, leave 11 running. |
| 05:51.16 | cantido | nsadmin: needs to be a long term plan though, upgrading and avoiding legacy issues might mean less downtime in the long term |
| 05:51.17 | torgrim | martian67: its a distribution upgrade. |
| 05:51.21 | donpdonp | dpkg says this package is 'rc' after i try to uninstall. how do i fix this? |
| 05:51.22 | martian67 | oooh |
| 05:51.23 | dpkg | donpdonp: okay |
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| 05:51.40 | martian67 | thats not something id deploy on a production machine first :) |
| 05:51.42 | donpdonp | accidentally talks to bots |
| 05:51.50 | nsadmin | !dpkg says this package |
| 05:51.50 | dpkg | well, says this package is 'rc' after i try to uninstall. how do i fix this? |
| 05:51.59 | donpdonp | http://pastie.org/513454 dpkg install problem |
| 05:52.00 | martian67 | spooky |
| 05:52.16 | cantido | martian67: I think he has enough machines that a few broken ones dont matter |
| 05:52.23 | nsadmin | !forget says this package |
| 05:52.23 | dpkg | nsadmin: i forgot says this package |
| 05:52.29 | donpdonp | nsadmin: thx |
| 05:53.03 | nsadmin | when you stay "try to uninstall", do you mean something failed? |
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| 05:53.37 | donpdonp | nsadmin: well as shown in the pastie, the remove command seems to work but its showing up as 'rc' in dpkg instead of 'un' |
| 05:53.58 | nsadmin | oh, you want the config files gone too? |
| 05:54.15 | deco | is ther a way to remove evolution with out removing gnome desktop? |
| 05:54.18 | deco | there* |
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| 05:54.34 | donpdonp | nsadmin: i guess so. i just want to upgrade to virtualbox 2.2 and it looks like the old version is still 'hanging around' |
| 05:54.52 | nsadmin | so packagename is virtualbox? |
| 05:54.59 | martian67 | deco, ah good ol' metapackages |
| 05:55.12 | donpdonp | nsadmin: its virtualbox-ose |
| 05:55.17 | deco | martian67: how do i go about using that ? :P |
| 05:55.27 | nsadmin | try this: dpkg --purge virtualbox-ose |
| 05:55.33 | martian67 | deco, im just saying thats whats causing your problems |
| 05:55.37 | donpdonp | nsadmin: k |
| 05:55.38 | nsadmin | as long as that's what you want to do |
| 05:55.52 | donpdonp | nsadmin: what does 'rc' mean as compared to 'un' |
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| 05:56.08 | deco | martian67: oh so your're saying im screwed :-( |
| 05:56.11 | martian67 | deco, type apt-get install gnome |
| 05:56.12 | martian67 | no |
| 05:56.14 | nsadmin | I think it means removed but not purged |
| 05:56.23 | martian67 | you just have to mark gnome as manually installed |
| 05:56.36 | martian67 | then removing evolutution shouldnt attempt to remove it |
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| 05:56.48 | deco | martian67: ah ok let me try |
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| 05:56.56 | martian67 | because it was likely brought in as an evolution dependancy |
| 05:57.03 | martian67 | at some point |
| 05:57.20 | eshaase | how come my gnome system monitor panel applet shows my cpu being used at 60% while top and gnome system monitor's top processes only show < 20%? am i missing something? |
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| 05:57.33 | iluminator101 | how do upgrade my kernel in debian |
| 05:57.50 | deco | martian67: Need to get 85.1MB/97.8MB of archives :-( |
| 05:58.31 | torgrim | cantido: so what databasesystem did you go for in the end then? |
| 05:58.35 | deco | martian67: gonna get more crap . so i can remove one crap :-( |
| 05:59.10 | bylzz | iluminator101: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 05:59.24 | bylzz | iluminator101: but try make-kpkg --help |
| 06:00.02 | iluminator101 | apt-cache search kernel-image i get nothing when i do that |
| 06:00.11 | cantido | torgrim: mysql with replication .. one master, bunch of slaves, all writes are pushed back to the master |
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| 06:00.31 | cantido | torgrim: the application has r/w splitting and doesn't seem to mind the lag, so its ok |
| 06:00.33 | bylzz | iluminator101: you should get a package named "kernel-package" try apt-get update? |
| 06:01.36 | iluminator101 | i wanna see which one it is before i upgrade |
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| 06:01.42 | torgrim | cantido: oki. at the time we selected postgres.. i dont think mysql could even do transactions ;) |
| 06:02.16 | bylzz | iluminator101: the package in debian for building custom kernels is called kernel-package |
| 06:02.51 | cantido | torgrim: hibernate handles a lot of stuff, so I don't think which database we used was an issue except for the replication |
| 06:02.55 | bylzz | iluminator101: you should get build-essential to, dont know if that's included in the kernel package. |
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| 06:03.15 | torgrim | cantido: allright. |
| 06:04.30 | cantido | torgrim: oh, and the fact the client didnt want to pay anything for it |
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| 06:04.59 | ajavid | when will lenny and half come out |
| 06:05.03 | ajavid | any ideas? |
| 06:06.11 | iluminator101 | k i got kernel package do i just download sources for kernel i want or.. should i do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-1-generic |
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| 06:06.53 | cantido | some time in the future I'm guessing |
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| 06:08.39 | pif | hi, what is the best application to record sounds under debian |
| 06:09.06 | bylzz | pif: im using audiocity and im happy with that =) |
| 06:09.10 | EmleyMoor | pif: I find audacity good |
| 06:09.35 | pif | ok |
| 06:09.47 | iluminator101 | permission to pm bylzz |
| 06:10.40 | bylzz | iluminator101: do it |
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| 07:03.38 | thurein | Can Debian lenny detect "wifi intel 5100 and intel hda ich9" on Compaq CQ 45?? |
| 07:04.12 | thurein | I want to use it but it is alittle outdated so i worry about device drivers. |
| 07:04.20 | kgoetz | no, i dont think it can |
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| 07:05.02 | dmoerner | thurein, it can handle ich9 just fine but you will need to grab a kernel from backports (2.6.27 or newer) to support the 5100 |
| 07:05.35 | thurein | dmoerner: you mean to update kernel from backports. right?? |
| 07:05.41 | dmoerner | yes |
| 07:06.12 | torgrim | 2 |
| 07:06.12 | thurein | dmoerner: I heard some ppl said if i update kernel, i will lose some system features |
| 07:06.19 | thurein | dmoerner: is it truth?? |
| 07:07.24 | dmoerner | thurein, doubtful, but that statement is so vague that it's impossible to falsify haha |
| 07:08.14 | thurein | dmoerner: ok, whatever i will give a try. How about intel wifi 5100?? |
| 07:08.28 | thurein | dmoerner: can it be ok on lenny?? |
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| 07:08.45 | dmoerner | thurein, as i said before, ich9 will work out of the box. it's only wifi 5100 that will require the new kernel. |
| 07:09.12 | thurein | dmoerner: arr sorry man, i overlooked it. ok i will try it |
| 07:09.16 | thurein | dmoerner: thanks man |
| 07:09.32 | dmoerner | thurein, no problem, that card is well supported in newer kernels and backports is a reliable source for that kind of thing |
| 07:10.18 | thurein | dmoerner: ya, i noted. Another Question: my laptop are not VTenabled. |
| 07:10.29 | thurein | dmoerner: I want to use Virtualization on lenny. |
| 07:10.42 | dmoerner | thurein, what kind of virtualization solution? there are many |
| 07:10.53 | thurein | dmoerner: Which software should i use?? |
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| 07:11.16 | dmoerner | you will have to choose between openvz, xen, kvm, virtualbox, vmware. all should work. |
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| 07:11.24 | dmoerner | for a laptop you probably want something like virtualbox |
| 07:11.25 | thurein | dmoerner: I am beginer in linux so i just want to test installing distros. |
| 07:11.35 | dmoerner | virtualbox-ose is what you would want then |
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| 07:12.45 | thurein | dmoerner: ok, TY. |
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| 07:23.57 | dmoerner | thurein, i just read something suggesting that 5100 should actually work out of the box on lenny, i can't verify that though. (my laptop has a 5350 wimax) |
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| 07:30.58 | simonrvn | often just a matter of using the right driver if it's supported. |
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| 07:41.29 | ethanol | hey guys. we want to have a cronjob run every 5 minutes, but not -on- 5, 10, etc, but 1 minute earlier. my coworker said 4,9,14,19,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59 * * * * would do the trick, but I reckon 4/5 * * * * would do that same thing? could anyone confirm this? |
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| 07:45.42 | Ficthe | quick question, what kernel comes with lenny? |
| 07:47.01 | Maulkin | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 07:49.40 | ethanol | erf. stupid question. how can I view the man for crontab(5)? man crontab gives me crontab(1) :x |
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| 07:51.23 | Draglor | man 5 crontab |
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| 07:53.51 | ethanol | thanks :) |
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| 07:59.00 | mib_rgz85043 | hey can anyone tell me how to create a debian installer |
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| 08:01.50 | careta | i'm using testing - how do i downgrade a package to stable? |
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| 08:03.41 | ethanol | careta: why would you use testing then? |
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| 08:04.34 | mib_rgz85043 | can anyone solve my problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188560 |
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| 08:06.20 | JJOliver | Hey hey. i've just had a bit of boot error forcing me to run an manual fsch |
| 08:06.40 | JJOliver | fsck even. When I did I had a whole load of orphaned Inodes. |
| 08:06.45 | havoc_ | is there a way to tell all the packages that want an apache to be installed, that this apache is residing on another machine in the same network? i had a strict seperation of servers in mind, depending on which services they run. |
| 08:07.09 | JJOliver | What are orhpaned Inodes and how serious is it? |
| 08:07.30 | havoc_ | but now most of them want to have apache and/or mysql and/or a MTA to be installed on that machine |
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| 08:08.55 | gynterk | hmm |
| 08:08.58 | gynterk | hello |
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| 08:09.21 | JJOliver | Hello gynterk/ |
| 08:09.56 | gynterk | any ideas what might cause one of my patch files to break like this: patch: **** malformed patch at line 109: ?> |
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| 08:10.17 | gynterk | like 109 is: ?> |
| 08:10.19 | JJOliver | gynterk: no idea, i'm awaiting an answer myself. |
| 08:10.23 | gynterk | used to work thou |
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| 08:15.07 | simonrvn | jj.. meh |
| 08:15.32 | simonrvn | gynterk: the patch needs fixing, obviously. re-diff it, or edit it manually. |
| 08:16.00 | gynterk | but how did it break, like I used id 2 months ago and haven't edited it since then... |
| 08:16.01 | gynterk | odd |
| 08:16.09 | gynterk | is there a way to comment lines in patch? |
| 08:16.13 | mquin | 17 |
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| 08:16.48 | careta | i'm using testing - how do i downgrade a package to stable? |
| 08:16.59 | simonrvn | anything that isn't inside the hunk and headers sections is a "comment" . |
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| 08:17.11 | simonrvn | careta: why? and not really. |
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| 08:19.36 | efaistos | hi |
| 08:20.22 | careta | simonrvn, because gnome developers are idiots and keep ruining my desktop. gnome-terminal had this wonderful feature - if you had text selected and pressed ctrl + C it would copy it. however, if you didn't have any text it would send a SIGINT to the process running on terminal. and in gnome 2.26 they decided to remove it |
| 08:20.45 | efaistos | have a little question ... My soundcard is well detected on a new install but no sound comes from it ... I have juste a message Can't open audio device /dev/dsp |
| 08:20.49 | efaistos | any idea ? |
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| 08:21.33 | P-C-Clevarous | efaistos: something might be locking your card |
| 08:21.39 | majortombelgium | hello, is there any howto for libwine on debian? I keep getting undefined reference errors when linking. I use -lwine. |
| 08:22.30 | efaistos | P-C-Clevarous: but dont have any /dev/dsp |
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| 08:23.12 | azeem_ | majortombelgium: no, the howto is "install the .deb" |
| 08:23.33 | majortombelgium | azeem: well, :) |
| 08:24.15 | majortombelgium | azeem: i did this, installed libwine, then compile using -lwine, so it apparently finds this library, but then it can't find the functions inside it |
| 08:24.43 | azeem | majortombelgium: pastebin the error message |
| 08:24.44 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 08:24.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 08:25.49 | simonrvn | careta: sh-ctrl-c |
| 08:25.54 | efaistos | anyone ? |
| 08:26.01 | simonrvn | helps to read what's in the menu... |
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| 08:26.25 | careta | simonrvn, thanks... you saved my life |
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| 08:27.01 | simonrvn | enjoy |
| 08:27.02 | anddam | hi |
| 08:27.10 | anddam | can I remove locales I'm not interested in? |
| 08:27.27 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:27.27 | azeem | anddam: look into the localepurge package |
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| 08:27.35 | anddam | I see /usr/share/locale/* are from coreutils |
| 08:27.39 | anddam | I will |
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| 08:28.03 | azeem | anddam: "remove" as in "remove those files from the harddisk", not "make them unavailable", right? |
| 08:28.48 | majortombelgium | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/39245 |
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| 08:29.58 | azeem | did you make sure those symbols are in libwine? |
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| 08:30.38 | efaistos | anyone has an idea how to solve that sound issue ? |
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| 08:32.36 | majortombelgium | azeem: how can i get a list of symbols in a library? |
| 08:32.57 | nsadmin | man nm |
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| 08:33.03 | majortombelgium | ok |
| 08:33.56 | azeem | majortombelgium: objdump -T -C /foo/lib | grep GetFileVersionInfoSize or so |
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| 08:35.16 | nsadmin | efaistos: you're probasbly running alsa which doesn't have a /dev/dsp unless it's emulating oss |
| 08:35.44 | majortombelgium | azeem: it seems it is not there |
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| 08:35.52 | efaistos | nsadmin: and how can I resolve taht ? |
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| 08:36.41 | nsadmin | run alsamixer, realize that /dev/dsp is not the correct device, determine the correct device and use it? |
| 08:36.48 | azeem | majortombelgium: make sure the output without grep makes sense |
| 08:37.01 | nsadmin | first run alsamixer to determine if you are using alsa for sure |
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| 08:37.54 | efaistos | yeah but I have an integrated card also and a sb live 5.1 ... When I run alsamixer -c 1 i got my sb live |
| 08:38.04 | nsadmin | yes? no? running alsa? |
| 08:38.15 | nsadmin | must figure that out before continuing |
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| 08:38.31 | majortombelgium | azeem: yes, i manually looked |
| 08:38.37 | anddam | azeem: yes, as in "reclaim disk space" |
| 08:38.43 | shyam_k | !debian-cd |
| 08:38.43 | dpkg | [debian-cd] at http://cvs.debian.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/debian-boot/debian-cd/ |
| 08:38.46 | nsadmin | so -c 0 is the internal? |
| 08:38.57 | nsadmin | and yes, you seem to be running alsa. |
| 08:39.10 | azeem | anddam: then localepurge |
| 08:39.11 | nsadmin | you need to know what all your devices are |
| 08:39.11 | efaistos | -c 0 is the internal one yeah |
| 08:39.18 | azeem | majortombelgium: well no idea then; sorry |
| 08:39.19 | shyam_k | i thought there is some debian-cd.sourceforge.net or something and i did see its documentation but lost track of it now.. |
| 08:39.25 | majortombelgium | azeem: there must be some initalisation that is the problem. there are libs in /usr/lib/wine too. I suspect that libwine loads those other dll's dynamically |
| 08:39.28 | azeem | majortombelgium: Windows programming isn't very much on topic here |
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| 08:39.40 | azeem | majortombelgium: could be; check the libwine documentation |
| 08:40.28 | majortombelgium | azeem: yes, ok, but now I know that it is not something debian specific. Thanks for your information! I'll check further... |
| 08:40.31 | shyam_k | !cd |
| 08:40.31 | dpkg | hmm... cd is a Compact-Disc, something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory. To download Debian CD images, ask me about <iso>. To buy Debian CDs, ask me about <vendors>. |
| 08:40.42 | shyam_k | !debian cd project |
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| 08:41.27 | azeem | shyam_k: please /msg the bot |
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| 08:42.20 | shyam_k | okay am done.. its some link that i am searching for just that am not gettingit.. link of debian cd project |
| 08:42.30 | shyam_k | searching for 30 mins now1 |
| 08:42.38 | shyam_k | yet to get it .. |
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| 08:43.23 | nsadmin | shyam_k perhaps it would be more useful if you said why you want that |
| 08:43.26 | anddam | azeem: I installed it, from what I can see it's just for future apt invocation, in order to clean my current /usr/share/locale directory should I dpkg-reconfigure installed packages? |
| 08:43.54 | shyam_k | nsadmin: to study how alternate/installation cd works.. to apply it to a custom debian distro.. |
| 08:44.21 | nsadmin | oh, so you want to for one thing explore the debian-installer |
| 08:44.53 | azeem | anddam: AFAIK, it removes all the non-selected locales |
| 08:45.00 | azeem | anddam: consult its documentation |
| 08:45.02 | umarzuki | on debian 5, how do i turn on debugging or logging for bind? |
| 08:45.18 | nsadmin | there are those pure debian things, I forget what they're called |
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| 08:45.41 | nsadmin | umarzuki: that's not in the bind man page? |
| 08:45.43 | azeem | umarzuki: maybe look at /etc/default/bind9 or so, you might be able to add command-line switches there |
| 08:45.45 | anddam | I did, it says it will be run by dpkg on every (future) apt installation run |
| 08:45.47 | umarzuki | dig @127.0.0.1 A umar.com returns connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 08:45.47 | shyam_k | nsadmin: yeah |
| 08:45.49 | azeem | if exists |
| 08:46.25 | nsadmin | umarzuki: so you're not running bind on the machine you ran that dig |
| 08:46.41 | umarzuki | i ran bind on that machine alright |
| 08:46.55 | umarzuki | even had zone files and stuff |
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| 08:47.37 | nsadmin | if no servers could be reached, it's either not running it now, or it is and something's wrong, or it is and it's blocked by something like iptables |
| 08:47.47 | umarzuki | i could query from psql db but not dig |
| 08:48.13 | nsadmin | then bind is probably not running |
| 08:48.14 | umarzuki | there's no rule applied to iptable |
| 08:48.27 | nsadmin | which rules out the latter possibility |
| 08:48.32 | anddam | azeem: done, manually run it |
| 08:48.36 | anddam | ran* |
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| 08:49.45 | umarzuki | nsadmin, i restarted bind9 but still the same |
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| 08:50.13 | nsadmin | shyam_k: one thing you would be doing is building d-i, so you might want to try doing that, and create some sort of media to put it on like a cd image and see if it boots |
| 08:50.42 | nsadmin | umarzuki see if it's running, ps aux | grep bind |
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| 08:51.01 | shyam_k | i saw that wonderful doc on this and am amazing how it got disappeared! |
| 08:51.16 | shyam_k | starting with debian cd can be as simple or complex as you want it to be.. |
| 08:51.44 | umarzuki | nsadmin, it is running |
| 08:52.01 | shyam_k | don't know about such a link? |
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| 08:52.29 | gynterk | uh thats odd |
| 08:52.56 | gynterk | i recreated the patch file and diff`ed this new and old (broken) patch and no differences found :S |
| 08:53.25 | umarzuki | nsadmin, other than iptable, what could cause that? |
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| 08:53.30 | adb | umarzuki: here it work ... http://paste.debian.net/39247/ |
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| 08:54.24 | hoschy | hi all |
| 08:54.53 | umarzuki | adb, it's a locally on my vm, i just willy-nilly picked that name and the vm dns server could not connect to outside |
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| 08:55.17 | hoschy | i dont really good speak english but i have a problem |
| 08:55.43 | hoschy | i want compile webcleaner but i bekam this error => htmllex.c:5109: warning: âinputâ defined but not used |
| 08:56.19 | umarzuki | adb, i was using FRED (fred.nic.cz) to test IDN server using debian but first i need to make sure its dns service is running properly |
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| 08:57.01 | adb | umarzuki: DOMINIO EN CONSTRUCCIÓN > http://www.landsraad.net/ |
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| 08:58.30 | umarzuki | adb, ? |
| 08:59.24 | adb | make sure ANSWER is ok in bind |
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| 08:59.49 | umarzuki | adb, how? what command? |
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| 09:00.42 | adb | in BIND reverse data file for broadcast zone |
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| 09:01.00 | umarzuki | at least anyone tell me how to turn on debugging for bind9, man bin9 or man bind return No manual entry for bind9 |
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| 09:01.08 | nsadmin | what's the broadcast zone for? |
| 09:01.50 | nsadmin | umarzuki you have to edit a text file and (presumably) restart bind9 |
| 09:01.50 | umarzuki | do i need that to run dig from the dns server itself? |
| 09:01.59 | nsadmin | you were before |
| 09:02.15 | hoschy | can you help me? |
| 09:02.31 | nsadmin | depends what you want |
| 09:02.45 | P-C-Clevarous | hm it seems my housemate did some tweeking of my router before I moved out.... now whenever theres unauthorized wifi access, they just get pictures of chuck norris |
| 09:02.51 | P-C-Clevarous | not just like one or two either |
| 09:02.59 | nsadmin | not knowing anything about it yet, not yet :) |
| 09:03.02 | P-C-Clevarous | there must be 2000 chuck norris pics in there |
| 09:03.28 | mib_rgz85043 | can anyone solve my problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188560 |
| 09:03.30 | edoreld | P-C-Clevarous: #debian-offtopic |
| 09:03.38 | nsadmin | oh, compilinign webcleaner |
| 09:03.48 | hoschy | yes |
| 09:04.04 | hoschy | webcelaner runs |
| 09:04.08 | umarzuki | named is located in /usr/sbin so /usr/sbin/named -d 3 should turn debuglevel 3 |
| 09:04.14 | hoschy | than i have updatet to lenny |
| 09:04.23 | hoschy | now i must compiling webcleaner new |
| 09:04.23 | nsadmin | P-C-Clevarous: nice... how'd he do that? |
| 09:04.47 | nsadmin | judd versions webcleaner |
| 09:04.47 | judd | nsadmin: webcleaner -- |
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| 09:04.56 | hoschy | 2.41 |
| 09:05.13 | nsadmin | whered you get the source |
| 09:05.24 | hoschy | webcleaner.sourceforge.net |
| 09:05.47 | nsadmin | !find webcleaner |
| 09:06.14 | nsadmin | that would be a perfect packagename for it... but... |
| 09:06.33 | hoschy | webcleaner-2.41.tar.gz |
| 09:06.57 | P-C-Clevarous | nsadmin: I asked him and he just said that it wasnt him, and that chuck norris had far reaching powers, beyond his control |
| 09:07.00 | P-C-Clevarous | *shrug* |
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| 09:08.11 | nsadmin | P-C-Clevarous: sing him the whatever song |
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| 09:08.50 | hoschy | now i compilie phyton2.6.2 |
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| 09:14.16 | umarzuki | adb, at http://www.netadmintools.com/part233.html i found how to debug, is it the same as you did? |
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| 09:15.22 | adb | umarzuki: no . I used my dns @127.0.0.1 |
| 09:16.00 | umarzuki | adb, forgive me if i'm too slow to pick up, but how? |
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| 09:16.28 | adb | i used your command on my local dns |
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| 09:16.44 | hoschy | hhmm.. |
| 09:16.48 | themill | hoschy: you don't.... it's not ready for debian yet. |
| 09:16.52 | hoschy | i bekam the error |
| 09:16.53 | hoschy | -.- |
| 09:17.07 | hoschy | ?? |
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| 09:17.18 | hoschy | Requirements for Unix/Linux or Max OS X |
| 09:17.21 | kripz | Im having trouble compiling my kernel with the RT patch, this is the 2nd attempt and it seems im just being looped. http://pastebin.com/m74e727dc |
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| 09:17.33 | jaggz- | what happened to iceape? |
| 09:17.34 | nsadmin | this thing needs a different init? oh hell no |
| 09:17.43 | jaggz- | all this lists is iceape-dev and iceape-dev-bin |
| 09:17.47 | nsadmin | he froze |
| 09:17.51 | anddam | hi |
| 09:17.56 | themill | dpkg: tell jaggz- about iceape lenny |
| 09:18.10 | jaggz- | thanks milly |
| 09:18.28 | hoschy | themill i dont know what you mean |
| 09:18.43 | nsadmin | kripz: the patch apply ok? |
| 09:19.06 | kripz | nsadmin, yeah, no errors or anything |
| 09:19.12 | themill | hoschy: the python team are still working on getting python 2.6 into a suitable shape for inclusion in debian. Merely being able to compile it is not enough. |
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| 09:19.43 | hoschy | hhmmm... |
| 09:19.43 | kripz | nsadmin, and the pastebin is a little bit incorrect, i downloaded 26.9 source and RT patch |
| 09:19.43 | hoschy | knows her another content filtering along with the squid is running and javascript filters |
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| 09:19.58 | nsadmin | hoschy: it can use python 2.5 |
| 09:20.00 | jaggz- | so, I basically wanted a wysiwyg web editor just so I could open, then copy/paste some html stuff (properly) into my gmail email |
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| 09:20.26 | hoschy | nsadmin i bakam this error with python 2.4 and 2.5 |
| 09:20.58 | nsadmin | I don't know what bakam is |
| 09:21.11 | hoschy | bekam |
| 09:21.24 | nsadmin | dunno waht that is either :) |
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| 09:21.36 | themill | nsadmin: got |
| 09:21.41 | hoschy | gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -Iwc/HtmlParser -I/usr/include/python2.5 -c wc/HtmlParser/htmllex.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.5/wc/HtmlParser/htmllex.o -pedantic -std=gnu99 |
| 09:21.41 | hoschy | htmllex.c:5110: warning: âinputâ defined but not used |
| 09:21.51 | hoschy | its dont run |
| 09:21.52 | hoschy | shit |
| 09:21.56 | nsadmin | that's not an error |
| 09:22.08 | hoschy | not? |
| 09:22.09 | anddam | can I get a package source using aptitude? |
| 09:22.16 | nsadmin | no, it's a warning |
| 09:22.21 | hoschy | oh |
| 09:22.22 | themill | anddam: yes |
| 09:22.26 | anddam | themill: how? |
| 09:22.36 | hoschy | ok, i waiting |
| 09:23.04 | nsadmin | solid_liq: build/temp.linux-i686-2.5/wc/HtmlParser/htmllex.o should exist |
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| 09:23.22 | nsadmin | argh. my client won't let me say "so" |
| 09:24.10 | anddam | themill: I mean I wasn't able to find a source command in aptitude man page |
| 09:24.11 | nsadmin | stupid bitchx... your tricks are definitely not for kids... |
| 09:25.05 | nsadmin | hoschy: does build/temp.linux-i686-2.5/wc/HtmlParser/htmllex.o exist? |
| 09:25.19 | themill | anddam: err... my bad. "apt-get source" it is for you, then. |
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| 09:26.15 | anddam | themill: ah ok, I was explicitly trying to use aptitude |
| 09:26.29 | hoschy | nsadmin yes |
| 09:26.50 | nsadmin | hoschy: so that piece succeeded. |
| 09:26.59 | johndoe | can a MP3 file have DRM or similar protection? |
| 09:27.04 | themill | anddam: there's no harm in using "apt-get source" when you normally use aptitude. (apt-get source just downloads to the local directory, any user can use it not just root and it doesn't alter the package states at all) |
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| 09:27.46 | shyam_k | know whether the debian-installer project also deals with the ncurses based installer? |
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| 09:32.01 | anddam | themill: it was just a curiosity of mine, I hadn't fully adopted aptitude as I didn't knew how to use its search, now I've read the manually and find it an extremely flexible tool |
| 09:32.09 | anddam | thus I was wondering if it could even fetch sources |
| 09:32.38 | themill | anddam: the ability to do build-deps with aptitude is a fairly recent addition. "source" will probably get added some time soon. |
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| 09:33.20 | anddam | I don't have to build packages tho, I just want to see why links2 isn't gett the html-user-font-size from its config file |
| 09:33.27 | anddam | just a look at single source package |
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| 09:34.27 | Bilou042 | hello |
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| 09:35.53 | anddam | next topic: I have an ibook running debian, I want to reassign ~ key in console as I'm on a non US layout |
| 09:36.09 | anddam | how do I reassign a key? |
| 09:36.46 | anddam | namely I can see two issues: referring to a physical key and assign a desired character to it |
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| 09:37.51 | themill | !keymap |
| 09:37.51 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 09:39.30 | anddam | well I don't want to change keymap |
| 09:39.35 | anddam | so loadkeys it is |
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| 09:49.14 | ocZio | Hi all, is it possible to do something like this: whenever I access this IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (which is internet, extranet) Is it possible to forward/redirect that to internal one something like 192.168.x.x ? |
| 09:50.11 | kripz | ocZio, /etc/hosts ? |
| 09:51.22 | ocZio | kripz: you sure if I add entry like 192.168.x.x 82.xxx.xx.xxx it will work ? I have tried no success... |
| 09:53.12 | kripz | ocZio, 123.123.213.123 name-of-computer. If that doesnt work then you will probably need to mess with routing/ip tables which im not familiar with. Maybe someone else can shed some light |
| 09:53.31 | ocZio | i dont want with the name of computer but with the ip |
| 09:53.40 | ocZio | so yes need iptables then... |
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| 09:53.44 | ocZio | thank you anyway |
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| 09:56.20 | anddam | bye thanks |
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| 09:59.06 | paxcoder | what's up with the mirrors? anyone from ireland? |
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| 09:59.47 | edoreld | going there in 1 month, but not from there :) |
| 10:00.06 | paxcoder | nice. |
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| 10:00.23 | paxcoder | actually, ftp.debian doesn't work for me either. |
| 10:00.35 | kripz | Im trying to patch (RT patch) and compile 2.6.29.4 but it keeps looping around in circles, am i doing something wrong? http://pastebin.com/f7d6bb2d9 |
| 10:00.42 | paxcoder | edoreld: can you try apt-get update? |
| 10:01.13 | edoreld | it works, I'm using http://ftp2.de.debian.org though |
| 10:01.25 | edoreld | :/ |
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| 10:01.39 | paxcoder | edoreld: ok... |
| 10:01.53 | edoreld | just change ur mirror if yours doesn't work! ^_^ |
| 10:01.54 | mamalujo | where do I set my default terminal for Xfce applications like thunar? |
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| 10:02.59 | paxcoder | edoreld: none of the three i've got work. (the main one, the croatian one and ireland's one) |
| 10:03.02 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. i'm having problems after iscsi connection troubles with open-iscsi. i'm able to reconnect again, but the iscsi devices don't get created. any idea how i can force that? udevadm trigger doesn't work, partprobe doesn't find anything .. |
| 10:03.03 | paxcoder | i'm trying yours now. |
| 10:03.28 | pluesch0r | the only "solution" i can think of is to reboot the box (but since this is a vm host, i'd really rather not) |
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| 10:03.47 | edoreld | paxcoder: gl ; |
| 10:03.48 | edoreld | ;) |
| 10:04.13 | paxcoder | edoreld: your works... |
| 10:04.55 | paxcoder | however, it reports nothing new... |
| 10:05.57 | paxcoder | at least one of mine seems to be working now too. |
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| 10:06.46 | paxcoder | bb |
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| 10:07.08 | mamalujo | nvm, found it. anyone use mpd player here? my database wont update, I can't find any error messages about it, but its reporting a structure of my ~/mpd/music directory and its content that I changed a while ago? |
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| 10:10.19 | torgrim | any tips on some debian related stuffs in .uk that needs some hardware? |
| 10:10.26 | torgrim | have alot to spare ;) |
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| 10:11.02 | pluesch0r | anybody? open-iscsi? |
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| 10:11.46 | edoreld | paxcoder: try http://bit.ly/T7LAt |
| 10:12.05 | edoreld | maybe you find something that works && nearer u |
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| 10:15.52 | mamalujo | nvm again, found it :) |
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| 10:21.30 | TiMiDo | hey how do you see you're cpu information? |
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| 10:21.56 | nkuttler | torgrim: your local LUG may have an idea |
| 10:22.08 | nkuttler | TiMiDo: /cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:22.21 | torgrim | nkuttler: im in norway ;) |
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| 10:22.30 | torgrim | nkuttler: but thanks, ill dig some up |
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| 10:31.56 | severus | hi. my system updates the database of locate automatically . I'd like to tweak this command but dont know where to look for it. |
| 10:33.09 | nkuttler | severus: try /etc/cron* |
| 10:33.41 | nkuttler | severus: or read the man page, there might be some config file |
| 10:33.52 | alleyoopster | what is the easiest way to forward cron generated (or all system emails) to a gmail account (lenny), thanks |
| 10:34.10 | nkuttler | alleyoopster: /etc/aliases ? |
| 10:34.13 | Guerin | aliases |
| 10:34.43 | alleyoopster | nkuttler: ok, what do I do? |
| 10:34.56 | Guerin | type 'man aliases' and hit enter |
| 10:35.11 | Hajuu | dont do it! |
| 10:35.11 | alleyoopster | Guerin: :) thanks |
| 10:35.13 | Hajuu | its a trap!! |
| 10:35.18 | nkuttler | alleyoopster: man etc-aliases |
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| 10:36.27 | severus | nkuttler thnx |
| 10:36.47 | alleyoopster | nkuttler: that just looks too easy |
| 10:37.12 | nkuttler | alleyoopster: of course you'll need a working mailserver for remote hosts outside of your own network.. |
| 10:37.47 | Hajuu | thats a lie. |
| 10:37.52 | Hajuu | a bold. faced. lie. |
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| 10:38.10 | severus | white lie |
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| 10:39.23 | RitualMast3r | hi all! |
| 10:39.48 | RitualMast3r | i have problem with delting a folder on my shell acc |
| 10:40.00 | RitualMast3r | when i try to delete it |
| 10:40.08 | RitualMast3r | it's says Permission Dehind |
| 10:40.17 | RitualMast3r | but the owner of folder is my acc |
| 10:40.27 | RitualMast3r | someone know how to delete it? |
| 10:40.28 | nkuttler | !tell RitualMast3r about errors |
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| 10:41.31 | wald0 | which type of console uses the debian installer so that there's correctly set the fonts of strange languages like russian ? i have installed from chroot and i can't see correctly russian characters on the console |
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| 10:41.42 | RitualMast3r | nkuttler Permission denied! when trying to remove my folder |
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| 10:41.53 | nkuttler | RitualMast3r: pastebin whole command + error |
| 10:41.59 | poncha|work | why doesnt lenny have prebuilt bigmem kernel images? |
| 10:42.01 | creature_ | !folder |
| 10:42.01 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 10:42.29 | Hajuu | :| |
| 10:42.29 | poncha|work | or maybe i just need some params to pass to the kernel? (it's amd64 one) |
| 10:42.44 | RitualMast3r | http://pastebin.com/m7b327bc2 |
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| 10:43.54 | nkuttler | RitualMast3r: do you know about basic permissions? don't forget to check the parent folder's permissions |
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| 10:44.13 | RitualMast3r | nkuttler i'm owner of directory |
| 10:44.21 | RitualMast3r | just a second |
| 10:44.22 | nkuttler | RitualMast3r: which one? |
| 10:44.46 | RitualMast3r | this one that i try to delete |
| 10:45.59 | nkuttler | RitualMast3r: chmod -R +rw ~/eggdrop |
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| 10:47.07 | RitualMast3r | chmod access error http://pastebin.com/m56537794 |
| 10:47.26 | RitualMast3r | http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6637/permissiondehind.jpg |
| 10:47.53 | Hajuu | Im just devestated. |
| 10:47.59 | Hajuu | That your irc eggdrop doesnt work. |
| 10:48.06 | Hajuu | and am just waiting to serve your bots needs. |
| 10:48.20 | nkuttler | RitualMast3r: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 10:48.22 | Hajuu | especially important to me is that your bot can log. |
| 10:48.38 | petemc | dont you have to get back to work in taco bell Hajuu ? |
| 10:48.48 | Hajuu | hehh |
| 10:49.08 | Hajuu | Im sorry put your hand up if you workin for the man every night and day. |
| 10:49.22 | Hajuu | Now put up your hand if you're working for yourself earning kickass money |
| 10:49.24 | Hajuu | raises hand |
| 10:49.54 | Hajuu | i r sell credit numbar nt wrk @ taco bel |
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| 10:49.57 | nkuttler | raises hand |
| 10:50.01 | Hajuu | dey sed I faild teh app |
| 10:50.02 | Hajuu | :(( |
| 10:50.12 | Hajuu | :P |
| 10:50.13 | nkuttler | Hajuu: nice spelling. can you teach me? |
| 10:50.21 | Hajuu | Nah, It's a born talent. |
| 10:50.29 | Hajuu | Romanians can though |
| 10:50.38 | Hajuu | they know the secrets of how to adapt it to everyday conversation |
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| 10:50.46 | nkuttler | everyday conversation? |
| 10:51.22 | Hajuu | like.. hello.. how are you? -- you might not THINK these can get any simpler |
| 10:51.25 | Hajuu | but you'd be mistaken. |
| 10:51.36 | nkuttler | why mistaken? |
| 10:51.39 | Hajuu | Like I say, you really need to talk to a romanian about it.. |
| 10:51.50 | Hajuu | They're the secret holders, I am just born with it. |
| 10:52.00 | Hajuu | a mere vessel to romanian spellings spirit. |
| 10:52.31 | nkuttler | spellings spirit? |
| 10:52.39 | Hajuu | Correct. |
| 10:52.58 | Hajuu | Hey man I don't name them.. get off my back. |
| 10:53.03 | Hajuu | They're freakin' spirits.. |
| 10:53.23 | nkuttler | what makes you say i'm on your back? |
| 10:53.53 | mamalujo | majt aj sugdjest speling tings in dis simpl, strejtforvrd fonetik vej? :) |
| 10:53.53 | Hajuu | heh im just kidding around. |
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| 11:03.01 | RitualMast3r | :) |
| 11:03.05 | RitualMast3r | i fix it :) |
| 11:03.09 | RitualMast3r | thnx guys! |
| 11:03.53 | RitualMast3r | nkuttler tnxs dude! |
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| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'webcleaner' returned no results. |
| 11:05.21 | RitualMast3r | ? |
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| 11:09.44 | PointMan | how does a failure from mdadm look like? How do I know that something is messed up when i look in /proc/mdstat ? |
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| 11:10.58 | Arafangion | PointMan: Look for success, rather than failure. |
| 11:11.40 | PointMan | Arafangion: and what does this tell you? http://pastie.org/513609 |
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| 11:13.22 | patrikf | PointMan: just use mdadm --detail /dev/md/* |
| 11:13.56 | Spacebit | hi |
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| 11:14.08 | PointMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.11 | PointMan | ah i see :) |
| 11:14.21 | creature_ | Working Devices : 3 |
| 11:14.22 | Spacebit | (I want to delete everything that is contained within a directory except for one file |
| 11:14.44 | nkuttler | Spacebit: mv file .. ? |
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| 11:14.52 | PointMan | but what if I want to get an email if it fails, how can I do that? i thought mdadm --monitor -1 -m yourname@yourisp.com -scan would do that |
| 11:14.53 | Arafangion | PointMan: Couldn't see anything wrong there. :) |
| 11:14.54 | Spacebit | that file can not copy, I am working within an mp4 player which partition is fat |
| 11:14.55 | patrikf | Spacebit: try ^onefile .* (check with echo what that expands to) |
| 11:15.00 | Spacebit | can someone help me? |
| 11:15.14 | patrikf | or just ^onefile if you don't have any hidden files |
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| 11:15.30 | d1b | can any one recommend a decent openvpn admin interface . i want to monitor certs use / revoke (openvpn) |
| 11:15.32 | Arafangion | PointMan: Rather than hoping that mdadm will politely tell you every time it chucks a wobbly, just test for something that can't possibly work while mdadm is not working instead, much more reliable. |
| 11:15.44 | patrikf | oh, that's a zsh feature :) |
| 11:15.57 | PointMan | Arafangion: that sounds like a neat idea, but what cant work? |
| 11:15.58 | heroxbd | Hello. After I upgraded Xorg to 1.6.1.901 in sid, Ctrl-Alt Backspace does not work. And xrandr rotating will give an unreadable display(totally chaos). What seems to be the problem? |
| 11:16.01 | Spacebit | explains me well? nkuttler patrikf |
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| 11:16.14 | Arafangion | PointMan: You tell me. Why do you even bother with mdadm? |
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| 11:16.25 | Spacebit | my English is not very good |
| 11:16.46 | Spacebit | but I can understand, you do not know if my |
| 11:16.50 | heroxbd | I use stumpwm as WM no desktop environment. And X background goes from gray to black after upgrading... Confused. |
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| 11:17.04 | PointMan | Arafangion: well the things that I have, websites etc, they will still work if one device is down (raid 1) |
| 11:17.19 | PointMan | Arafangion: i wanna be alerted if one device goes out |
| 11:17.42 | nkuttler | PointMan: your raids are on the same disks.. |
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| 11:18.11 | Arafangion | PointMan: Aha! So you do NOT want to test if mdadm has failed... You want to check if a *device* goes out, USING mdadm? |
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| 11:19.20 | Arafangion | PointMan: A very important difference. |
| 11:20.30 | PointMan | Arafangion: yeah |
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| 11:21.37 | PointMan | nkuttler: im sorry? |
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| 11:23.40 | petemc | d1b: openvpn has a telnet management interface |
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| 11:23.58 | apt_get | Hi |
| 11:24.05 | Natasha | hi ppl |
| 11:24.35 | nkuttler | PointMan: you seem to think that raid replaces backups |
| 11:24.52 | apt_get | I need to update some files in a old debian sarge. Where can I find the deb address? |
| 11:25.09 | petemc | apt_get: you can use archive.debian.org |
| 11:26.16 | petemc | apt_get: tho, thats not really 'updating' anything.. |
| 11:26.50 | PointMan | nkuttler: oh no, i dont. Im going to have nightly backups, but i wanna be alerted when a hardware unit goes down as well, dont you think that makes sense? :p |
| 11:27.11 | nkuttler | PointMan: ok, i misread you then |
| 11:27.12 | Arafangion | PointMan: Good, it's just that it's an insanely common misconception. :( |
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| 11:28.57 | PointMan | but will the -scan option alert if a device fails? |
| 11:29.24 | PointMan | nm it doesnt |
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| 11:29.45 | nickydeejay | hello everyone |
| 11:29.48 | nkuttler | PointMan: errors should end up in syslog iirc |
| 11:30.10 | PointMan | nkuttler: agreed but i dont check the syslogd on a daily basis, i check my mail hourly though |
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| 11:30.20 | nkuttler | PointMan: there are log parsers |
| 11:30.54 | PointMan | nkuttler: can you recommend any? |
| 11:31.08 | greenmang0 | can anybody tell me how to create a keytab for squid? i am using mit kerberos on debian |
| 11:31.17 | Spacebit | (I want to delete everything that is contained within a directory except for one file |
| 11:31.21 | Spacebit | that file can not copy, I am working within an mp4 player which partition is fat |
| 11:31.36 | nkuttler | PointMan: logcheck |
| 11:32.12 | PointMan | k |
| 11:32.21 | nkuttler | Spacebit: find + xargs? |
| 11:32.37 | nkuttler | Spacebit: or use that zsh feature that was recommended |
| 11:32.40 | nkuttler | Spacebit: or try #bash |
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| 11:32.59 | nickydeejay | i am a ubuntu user; i want to install debian. which version should i take i have a intel 64 bit duo core processor w/4gb of ram |
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| 11:33.31 | nickydeejay | is it ia64 or amd64? |
| 11:33.36 | DDevine | nickydeejay: Debian 5.0 x86_64 |
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| 11:33.39 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone know if shared writable mmap exists in fuse? |
| 11:34.05 | greenmang0 | nickydeejay: amd64 == x86_64 |
| 11:34.06 | DDevine | nickydeejay: amd64 will do |
| 11:34.53 | nickydeejay | ok thanks. i am going to use the usb install. will i need to plug in internet or will it detect my wifi card? |
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| 11:35.27 | nickydeejay | btw is there a live version. i might just download the cd |
| 11:35.31 | Symbi0nt | is there a shell command which tells mit which CPU / RAM I have? |
| 11:35.43 | nickydeejay | thanks again |
| 11:35.51 | petemc | Symbi0nt: cat /proc/cpuinfo , free |
| 11:35.51 | DDevine | nickydeejay: Live is probably a good idea. |
| 11:36.09 | petemc | Symbi0nt: theres also things like hwinfo and dmidecode |
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| 11:37.54 | greenmang0 | Symbi0nt: lshw -html > foo.html |
| 11:38.39 | Symbi0nt | ah nice |
| 11:40.23 | nickydeejay | thanks DDevine |
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| 11:41.32 | Symbi0nt | aptitude cannot find liblame ... which package repro is it in? |
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| 11:47.35 | enouf | !lame |
| 11:47.35 | dpkg | [lame] Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME#Patents_and_legal_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0006/msg01213.html. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> and <rarewares>. Upstream sources at http://lame.sf.net/ |
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| 11:47.50 | mihamina1 | hi all |
| 11:48.25 | enouf | it would be libmp3lame or something anyway - use what /msg dpkg search tells you |
| 11:48.41 | Symbi0nt | aha |
| 11:48.51 | enouf | libmp3lame0: /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 |
| 11:48.56 | enouf | yep |
| 11:48.58 | mihamina1 | I have a computer with 5 NICs, all driven by the e100 driver. But, I can only setup eth0. when trying eth1 -> eth4 : "No such device" |
| 11:49.13 | abrotman | are they all showing with lspci? |
| 11:49.16 | mihamina1 | how to have eth0 -> eth4 with the same driver? |
| 11:49.35 | mihamina1 | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 11:49.36 | mihamina1 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 11:49.36 | mihamina1 | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 11:49.36 | mihamina1 | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
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| 11:50.00 | mihamina1 | abrotman: |
| 11:50.05 | mihamina1 | abrotman: sorry... |
| 11:50.06 | abrotman | i'll take that as a yes :) |
| 11:50.18 | Arafangion | Haha. :) |
| 11:50.23 | mihamina1 | yes... |
| 11:50.30 | mihamina1 | lspci lists them |
| 11:50.43 | mihamina1 | 01.00.0 --> 04.00.0 |
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| 11:50.54 | abrotman | that'd be four .. not five |
| 11:51.05 | asg | 3 sir! |
| 11:51.08 | mihamina1 | Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 11:51.10 | mihamina1 | yes |
| 11:51.26 | azeem | abrotman: well, he got kicked after four.. |
| 11:51.27 | creature_ | ifconfig -a |
| 11:51.36 | abrotman | azeem: i meant the 01->04 |
| 11:51.49 | mihamina1 | ifconfig -a : eth0 and lo |
| 11:51.50 | mihamina1 | just that |
| 11:51.53 | abrotman | instead of 01->05 |
| 11:52.00 | enouf | z25 or 70 issue? |
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| 11:52.03 | azeem | ah, didn't see that |
| 11:52.10 | mihamina1 | okay I just saw: 4 are Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 11:52.14 | enouf | mihamina1: ls /sys/class/net |
| 11:52.21 | mihamina1 | one is Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE Ethernet Controller (rev 04 |
| 11:52.25 | abrotman | mihamina1: you can use paste.debian.net if you want to actually paste the whole thing |
| 11:52.39 | abrotman | though i'd paste lspci -k |
| 11:52.41 | mihamina1 | mihamina-lanner:~# ls /sys/class/net |
| 11:52.42 | mihamina1 | eth0 lo |
| 11:52.46 | enouf | righto |
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| 11:53.31 | mihamina1 | http://paste.debian.net/39261/ |
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| 11:53.45 | abrotman | mihamina1: lspci -k |
| 11:53.46 | enouf | lspci -nnk if possible |
| 11:54.07 | abrotman | mihamina1: and "uname -a" might be helpful |
| 11:54.08 | enouf | (just to have the PCIID for each) |
| 11:55.22 | mihamina1 | http://paste.debian.net/39262/ (lspci and uname) |
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| 11:55.32 | Scurz | hi |
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| 11:56.24 | Scurz | I'm installing mailman but I get that error : http://paste.debian.net/39263/ any ideas to fix this ? |
| 11:56.39 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:10d3 |
| 11:56.40 | judd | abrotman: [8086:10d3] is '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10d3 |
| 11:56.53 | abrotman | mihamina1: oyu'd probably need the .29 kernel from backports.org |
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| 11:57.13 | RichiH | mihamina1: and lsmod |
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| 11:58.03 | abrotman | mihamina1: it would see the .26 in lenny doesn't know what to do with those cards |
| 11:58.26 | mihamina1 | kernel 2.6.29? |
| 11:59.25 | abrotman | !tell mihamina1 about bpo |
| 11:59.29 | Scurz | please, could you help me ? |
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| 12:00.10 | abrotman | Scurz: that was on installation or using it? |
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| 12:00.21 | Scurz | on installation |
| 12:00.48 | abrotman | does postfix work on that machine? |
| 12:01.02 | abrotman | i'm not sure that error has anything to do with mailman |
| 12:01.19 | Scurz | with postfix so ? |
| 12:01.35 | abrotman | can the machine send mail? |
| 12:01.46 | Scurz | yes |
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| 12:02.41 | Scurz | when I send a mail to a mailing list, i get that message and the mail is not sent to the list |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | did you setup the aliases in /etc/aliases for the list? |
| 12:04.04 | Scurz | hmm, no going to |
| 12:04.19 | Scurz | not for that list |
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| 12:04.37 | mouseclone | Where to start, I think that I have found a bug, or at least an issue in Lenny, I'm sure that not many, if any have run into this issue at all. Yesterday, I had 2 servers that stopped responding to the network, or at least to the ip address that they were staticly assigned. |
| 12:05.25 | abrotman | Scurz: I believe you have to ? |
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| 12:05.39 | Scurz | yes |
| 12:05.51 | henry-nicolas | Hi, I see that squeeze is still working with the 2.6.26 kernel; is there any plan to use a more recent kernel ? |
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| 12:06.18 | mouseclone | eth0 was DHCP and after being static a /etc/init.d/networking restart and /etc/init.d/networking force-reload was then issued. these were done to make sure that in the event of a network change that they would come back up, and they did. |
| 12:06.33 | abrotman | henry-nicolas: when it gets there .. yes |
| 12:06.41 | nsadmin | henry-nicolas: look at backports.org or build your own... there should be 2.6.28 in backports |
| 12:06.42 | abrotman | Scurz: so if you ahve to put in the alias, why didn't you? |
| 12:06.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: .29 |
| 12:07.09 | nsadmin | oh, then kmuto is behind :) |
| 12:07.25 | henry-nicolas | abrotman: yeah, but why didn't the 28 or 29 reach squeeze ? any idea? |
| 12:07.25 | Scurz | abrotman: same problem... |
| 12:07.36 | abrotman | henry-nicolas: probably a dozen reasons |
| 12:07.38 | Scurz | Jun 16 14:02:30 meurdock postfix/qmgr[32627]: warning: connect to transport mailman: Connection refused |
| 12:07.42 | mouseclone | what didn't get shut down in this process was the dhclient3 process. this process stayed running and I didn't notice it until the servers stopped responding. a network restart fixed the issue, and I also killed the dhclient3 that was running for eth0. |
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| 12:08.24 | mouseclone | last night I also restarted both servers to make sure that the dhclient3 didn't respawn, and it didn't. |
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| 12:08.54 | mouseclone | is there any reason why the dhclient3 wouldn't die when issuing the restart and force-reload? |
| 12:09.30 | mouseclone | also this was the only event in the syslog at the time of death and nothing after until network was restarted. |
| 12:09.55 | Scurz | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/39265/ |
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| 12:13.47 | mihamina1 | getiing 2.6.29 from bpo |
| 12:13.54 | abrotman | Scurz: did you use the debian mailman packages? I'm not running mailman/postfix on lenny here, so I probably wouldn't be able to compare configs |
| 12:13.57 | mihamina1 | 15.4kB/s |
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| 12:15.27 | Scurz | abrotman: yes, i use the debian package |
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| 12:19.52 | abrotman | Scurz: did you add something to your master.cf ? |
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| 12:20.04 | abrotman | is postfix in a chroot in lenny? |
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| 12:21.52 | Scurz | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/md8ae3b2 |
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| 12:22.14 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 12:22.15 | abrotman | when you installed it, did it give you an option to use a transport or something else? |
| 12:22.19 | man_in_ltop | anyone using apt-cacher-ng? |
| 12:22.29 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: ask your real question |
| 12:22.40 | man_in_ltop | does it WORK? :P |
| 12:23.00 | abrotman | Scurz: i'm asking because i'm not using a transport on my installation |
| 12:23.04 | man_in_ltop | it seems that a remote system on my lan get stuck at "Waiting for headers" |
| 12:23.16 | Scurz | abrotman: nothing during installation, I follow this tutorial http://debiantutorials.wordpress.com/2006/10/05/mailman-with-postfix-configuration-2/ |
| 12:23.24 | mouseclone | here is a coly of the log if anyone is interested in it. I guess make sure you don't have DHCP clients running if you static your ip address and do not reboot your server http://pastebin.com/m6f98824b |
| 12:23.29 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: i'd guess your proxy is downloading them |
| 12:23.45 | man_in_ltop | it doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 12:24.12 | Scurz | abrotman: so if you don't use a transport, what do you use ? |
| 12:24.19 | man_in_ltop | last thing in the log is about Translation-en_AU files |
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| 12:24.52 | abrotman | Scurz: did you see the comment at the bottom ? |
| 12:24.58 | Anne | noobish question, How do I rename a file? |
| 12:25.06 | orak3l | if i ping 192.168.1.100 i want to reach 192.168.2.100 best thing would be an alias 192.168.1.100 = 192.168.2.100 where can i set such alias? |
| 12:25.23 | asg | mouseclone: so, you change your /etc/network/interfaces file while an interface was configured for dhcp and then did a restart? |
| 12:25.28 | orak3l | sorry for my bad english |
| 12:25.35 | valan | Anne mv filename newfilename |
| 12:25.43 | Anne | ah |
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| 12:26.43 | valan | orak3l you can set that alias in /etc/hosts |
| 12:27.12 | man_in_ltop | ah |
| 12:27.18 | man_in_ltop | it's trying to get a Release file |
| 12:27.26 | valan | but i'm curious to know why you would need both ip addresses aliased on that box |
| 12:27.38 | man_in_ltop | but that's not appearing in the log |
| 12:27.45 | man_in_ltop | on the apt-cacher-ng server |
| 12:27.48 | Scurz | abrotman: I always get the errors... even what it is said in the comment |
| 12:27.52 | orak3l | valan, thx but i thought i set there an alias by name 127.0.0.1 = localhost |
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| 12:28.11 | valan | you can set any ip or hostname aliast there |
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| 12:28.18 | orak3l | valan, can i just replace "localhost" with the ip? |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | Scurz: are you restarting postfix after commenting it out ? |
| 12:28.29 | valan | make a new line for it |
| 12:28.29 | Scurz | yes |
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| 12:29.25 | qneo | I'd like to go from Lenny to testing. I'm reading, that I should change /etc/apt/sources.list. but what to change? |
| 12:29.29 | valan | orak3l i'm still curious to know what you're trying to accomplish here though, sounds to me you might be going about it the wrong way |
| 12:29.36 | qneo | deb http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main ==> to testing main? |
| 12:29.43 | qneo | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main ==> to testing/updates main? |
| 12:29.44 | man_in_ltop | ah, turns out the repository is down |
| 12:29.48 | abrotman | qneo: you want to use 'squeeze' probably |
| 12:30.11 | hoxu | !tell qneo about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:30.11 | qneo | abrotman: so change lenny to squeeze? |
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| 12:30.38 | qneo | hoxu: thanks |
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| 12:32.20 | orak3l | valan, ive got a vpn connection and get some ip adress for my vpn device. i want the other vpn clients be recognized like clients for my local network. i guess that sound stupid :/ |
| 12:32.47 | abrotman | Scurz: maybe ask #mailman or #postfix .. i'm honestly not sure who is to blame there .. also look in /usr/share/doc/mailman/ for documentation |
| 12:32.56 | tomekw | I have one Debian Sarge machine with Apache 1.3. I want to use it as load balancer, but 1.3 version doesn't support mod_proxy_balancer - do you have any ideas how to do it? |
| 12:33.11 | Scurz | abrotman: okay, thanks |
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| 12:33.21 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 12:33.23 | abrotman | tomekw: upgrade your machine to something uhm .. more recent |
| 12:33.33 | valan | eh i don't know much about vpn stuff |
| 12:33.37 | abrotman | Scurz: if they can tell you why you're getting that error, we might be able to help you fix it |
| 12:33.38 | orak3l | valan, is "bridging" the thing i am looking for? |
| 12:33.39 | LuciusMare | what image wiever under X would you recommend me> |
| 12:33.40 | valan | never had use for vpn myself |
| 12:33.49 | Scurz | abrotman: yep |
| 12:34.07 | valan | it could be i dunno, like i said i know next to nothing about vpn |
| 12:34.08 | macrobat | yeah, i want an image viewer too! |
| 12:34.11 | abrotman | LuciusMare: eog or feh .. both pretty basic |
| 12:34.13 | tomekw | abrotman, it is not really an option - there is lots of services and so on - it could break things and make my client unhappy |
| 12:34.16 | LuciusMare | abrotman: thx |
| 12:34.42 | LuciusMare | abrotman: under X |
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| 12:34.52 | abrotman | tomekw: more unhappy than not having security updates for the last two years? |
| 12:34.55 | LuciusMare | it wants to install another 60 mbs for gnome |
| 12:35.03 | macrobat | feh wants X |
| 12:35.15 | tomekw | abrotman, that's the life |
| 12:35.19 | valan | what do you use that you can't upgrade to lenny i wonder? |
| 12:35.27 | Arafangion | tomekw: tar it all up, get a new faster machine made in this decade, setup an up-to-date debian lenny, install a virtual machine of your choice, and untar the system there. Migrate one package at a time. |
| 12:35.33 | enouf | orak3l: i know even less than valan about vpn connections, however, might look at brctl (bridge control) and ask in ##networking and/or ##linux perhaps? |
| 12:36.10 | abrotman | macrobat: it's an image viewer .. what did you expect ? |
| 12:36.24 | macrobat | if i should install gwenview, 198MB would be used :) |
| 12:36.29 | macrobat | :) |
| 12:36.35 | valan | i know about vpn in theory, and i know how the army uses the same general thing, but other than that i know little about real world use of vpn |
| 12:36.47 | tomekw | or maybe try other load balancing solutions - any ideas? |
| 12:36.56 | valan | though the army's method is completely different, yet it achieves the same thing |
| 12:36.58 | orak3l | valan, for example. if i got ip adress 1.1.1.1.1 over my vpn device and some vpn client with ip 1.1.1.1.2 pings my vpn ip. then i analyse my eth0 network traffic i want to find something like dest 192.168.1.1 from 192.168.1.100 where this X.100 ip is the local alias for the vpn client |
| 12:37.03 | abrotman | tomekw: you could get a hardware load balancer |
| 12:37.21 | macrobat | hmm, view images in a framebuffer? |
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| 12:37.26 | valan | i dunno orak3l |
| 12:37.33 | tomekw | abrotman, I need simple load balancer to some voip apps |
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| 12:38.09 | enouf | macrobat: gliv perhaps? |
| 12:38.09 | mouseclone | asg: yes and the dhclient3 stayed running |
| 12:38.20 | LuciusMare | hello,i have got a folder with some app in.I downloaded the source and there is a CMake... file in it.how do i compile it? |
| 12:38.20 | orak3l | enouf, i will ask there thx |
| 12:38.21 | macrobat | ty |
| 12:39.00 | abrotman | tomekw: apt-cache show pen ? |
| 12:39.05 | asg | mouseclone: well, when you restarted, the interfaces file showed no indication of a dhcp config so wouldn't know to kill the dhclient. |
| 12:39.27 | valan | heh i know how to do the vpn thing with cisco routers and hardware encryption devices |
| 12:39.42 | valan | nfc how to do it in software, and i have no need to learn how |
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| 12:39.53 | tomekw | abrotman, nope |
| 12:39.57 | asg | mouseclone: I suppose you could have added a 'pre-up pkill dhclient' config line to the static config before doing it. |
| 12:39.59 | abrotman | not good enough ? |
| 12:40.20 | enouf | valan: isn't vpn basically an MS thing? |
| 12:40.35 | abrotman | no |
| 12:40.37 | asg | haha |
| 12:40.43 | abrotman | enouf: openvpn ring a bell ? |
| 12:40.44 | valan | heh no |
| 12:40.46 | tomekw | abrotman, there is no pen |
| 12:40.50 | enouf | abrotman: nope |
| 12:40.52 | LuciusMare | hello,i have got a folder with some app in.I downloaded the source and there is a CMake... file in it.how do i compile it? |
| 12:40.54 | enouf | VPN, yes |
| 12:40.55 | abrotman | tomekw: in sarge, yes there is |
| 12:40.57 | enouf | er |
| 12:41.02 | enouf | VNC, yes |
| 12:41.03 | abrotman | !openvpn |
| 12:41.03 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to interfaces(5). As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys ('openvpn-blacklist' package available in Lenny). As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:41.05 | mouseclone | asg: I don't understand whey if it didn't see a dhcp config in the interfaces file, why it wouldn't check for the client running |
| 12:41.06 | asg | enouf: you're thinking of PPTP |
| 12:41.08 | valan | vpn is really the idea of running an encrypted network over top of another network |
| 12:41.16 | enouf | openvz, yes |
| 12:41.37 | enouf | asg: aye |
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| 12:41.40 | asg | mouseclone: because the networking scripts were written with the assumption that the administrator knew what they were doing. |
| 12:41.40 | mouseclone | asg: it doesn't matter now though, I solved the problem, a lesson learned I guess. |
| 12:41.41 | tomekw | abrotman, "Unable to locate package pen" |
| 12:41.47 | asg | mouseclone: *nod* |
| 12:41.54 | abrotman | tomekw: can you put your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 12:42.44 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:43.11 | asg | enouf: newer versions of openssh come with internal support for building on the fly vpn connections as well which is handy in some situations. |
| 12:43.32 | mouseclone | asg: it is what I get for assuming. I just didn't realize that it didn't check for the clients. I still have a ton to learn about linux as a hole. Hell I have spent the past 12 years in the Microsoft world, and the past 5 at a sys admin job where i'm 90% help desk.. talk about loosing skills over the years |
| 12:44.05 | valan | i'm glad i don't work help desk |
| 12:44.06 | superlinux | i have a dual hyper threaded system. i want to speed up apt-get at the unpack time, how? |
| 12:44.16 | enouf | asg: sweet, and thanks ... BTW, do you know anything about openssh HPN and if it's incorporated into Debian pkg versions? |
| 12:44.22 | petemc | superlinux: get faster disks |
| 12:44.57 | macrobat | oh, there is a pornview app?? |
| 12:45.02 | enouf | asg: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 12:45.07 | superlinux | is there an environmentl variable? well i have scsi disks, generally they are fast |
| 12:45.35 | asg | enouf: afaik, this isn't part of the debian versions |
| 12:45.59 | enouf | asg: at one time, some months back, i checked all the various changelogs and saw nothing related |
| 12:46.01 | abrotman | tomekw: ? |
| 12:46.06 | enouf | righto |
| 12:46.13 | superlinux | i want dpkg to run at least twice irregardless of the dependencies |
| 12:46.27 | abrotman | i'd like free money |
| 12:46.33 | tomekw | abrotman, w8 plz :) |
| 12:46.33 | petemc | i want an oompa loompa |
| 12:46.43 | abrotman | tomekw: okay.. wasn't sure you'd seen what i asked for |
| 12:46.46 | azeem | superlinux: that's not supported |
| 12:46.50 | asg | I could murder a beer |
| 12:46.54 | enouf | superlinux: scsi disks have the advantage of multiple magnitudes of order of constant IO throughput |
| 12:46.54 | abrotman | !pony petemc |
| 12:46.55 | dpkg | gives petemc a pony |
| 12:46.55 | superlinux | ok |
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| 12:47.02 | valan | i wish i could drink beer :( |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | just share with your boss |
| 12:47.16 | valan | 2.5 months though and i can drink again! |
| 12:47.22 | enouf | oh |
| 12:47.38 | superlinux | ok |
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| 12:48.09 | superlinux | well i have now a raid0 system, i think so |
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| 12:49.09 | tomekw | abchirk, here http://fpaste.org/paste/15371 - I was not an admin of this server, got access today to do something |
| 12:49.19 | abchirk | thx |
| 12:49.40 | abrotman | holy awful |
| 12:49.48 | tomekw | yep |
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| 12:49.58 | tomekw | it is crap |
| 12:50.06 | abrotman | tomekw: you probably want to add : deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free ... so you can actually have a functional sarge source for packages |
| 12:50.45 | abchirk | software sources from polen', I guess those are stolen! :D |
| 12:50.52 | abrotman | tomekw: you can't find 'pen' because you don't actually have a main source (shoot the old admin .. for multiple reasons) |
| 12:51.01 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 12:51.01 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for abchirk |
| 12:51.12 | valan | oh |
| 12:51.13 | abchirk | nah.. I have to learn! :p |
| 12:51.15 | valan | !beer valan |
| 12:51.15 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Piraat for valan |
| 12:51.16 | tomekw | abrotman, I will try :) |
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| 12:51.30 | valan | piraat, i have no clue what that is |
| 12:51.34 | abrotman | tomekw: and it would really be in your client's best interest to get that machine off sarge |
| 12:51.52 | abrotman | Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. |
| 12:52.01 | tomekw | abrotman, thx, really thx |
| 12:52.03 | tomekw | :) |
| 12:52.08 | abrotman | guess it's only 15 months .. not two years |
| 12:52.21 | valan | wish i had a decent link so i could take the cds out of sources.list |
| 12:52.31 | valan | cd shuffling gets old quick |
| 12:52.36 | valan | well, dvd actually |
| 12:52.47 | mihamina1 | Hurrah! 2.6.29 from bpo recognized all NICs |
| 12:53.14 | abrotman | mihamina1: enjoy@! |
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| 12:56.52 | Bert_2 | Hi, what could I use to make my server mail me when his disk is almost full ? |
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| 13:01.11 | asg | Bert_2: a cron job that checks the output of df and then prints a warning if it is over a certain threshold |
| 13:01.44 | enouf | disk quotas perhaps? are you using LVM? |
| 13:01.44 | asg | Bert_2: the output will be mailed to root which you should have directed vi /etc/aliases to an email account that you check |
| 13:02.00 | CodeBlock | after I make a user and add him and myself to a group that I also made. I want both users to have full permissions to edit files in a directory. I chown the directory to me:sharedgroup (example names only). Now what permissions do I need to set on the directory? |
| 13:02.02 | Bert_2 | enouf: I'm not using LVM |
| 13:02.08 | tomekw | abrotman, I think pen is not what I want - I try to distribute server1:80/some_path to server1:5080/another_path1 and server1:5080/another_path2 in round robin fashion |
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| 13:02.38 | valan | CodeBlock 775 should do it |
| 13:03.05 | CodeBlock | valan: mk, i shall give it a shot. thanks. |
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| 13:03.19 | valan | you should also read up on permissions |
| 13:03.23 | enouf | CodeBlock: if you also want any newly created files to also belong to that groupname, set the setgid bit on the dir/ |
| 13:03.48 | asg | CodeBlock: and set a proper umask for both users so new files get created with the proper permissions. |
| 13:03.53 | enouf | CodeBlock: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 13:04.30 | CodeBlock | alright thanks :D *reads what dpkg says on the issue* thanks for all the help guys |
| 13:05.56 | cemunal | i have only a few screensaver. how can i install extra screensavers? |
| 13:05.57 | valan | i need to get to writing code |
| 13:06.00 | valan | too bad im lazy |
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| 13:06.23 | OpenTokix | cemunal: rss-glx - Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port |
| 13:06.32 | OpenTokix | cemunal: is a good start, and they look cool |
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| 13:08.23 | cemunal | OpenTokix: thanks :) |
| 13:08.45 | enouf | CodeBlock: i really hope the FS is not an MS one ;-0 |
| 13:10.01 | enouf | valan: procrastination is the stuff of luddites - you're in good company :-) |
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| 13:13.05 | PointMan | If I shutdown mdadm will I then make my /dev/md* unusuable? |
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| 13:15.23 | Bert_2 | Does anyone know a decent CLI disk analysis program or one with just a web interface ? |
| 13:15.29 | Gurd | i can install kdemod on debian? |
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| 13:18.42 | nsadmin | Gurd is there source for it? |
| 13:18.49 | nsadmin | judd versions kdemod |
| 13:18.50 | judd | nsadmin: kdemod -- |
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| 13:19.08 | nsadmin | it's not packaged, at least not by that name |
| 13:20.42 | justin | Bert_2: du -acx | sort -n |
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| 13:23.20 | Bert_2 | justin: thanks, that seems to work better than my other commands |
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| 13:23.48 | sonnie | hi I have a NAT problem: http://pastebin.com/m70f0fec3 |
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| 13:24.56 | nsadmin | sonnie: a good nat package is ipmasq |
| 13:25.33 | sonnie | nsadmin, I think iptables should do, but why this happens? |
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| 13:26.01 | nsadmin | if you want to do your own that's fine; a better place to ask is #netfilter, #networking, #iptables |
| 13:26.19 | nsadmin | one of those ought to actually be a channel |
| 13:27.14 | nsadmin | you ought to look into ipmasq package |
| 13:27.43 | cantido | notes that firehol is the shizzle |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | tomekw: what's wrong with dns round robin ? |
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| 13:30.03 | asg | Bert_2: you might also take a look at gt5 |
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| 13:31.45 | Bert_2 | asg: is it in the repo as well (I cant find it) |
| 13:31.52 | Bert_2 | asg: but the website looks promising |
| 13:32.08 | asg | Bert_2: it's in lenny |
| 13:32.33 | Bert_2 | asg: not in etch ? |
| 13:32.35 | asg | judd versions gt5 |
| 13:32.35 | judd | asg: gt5 -- lenny: 1.3c-3 sid: 1.4.0-1 squeeze: 1.4.0-1 |
| 13:32.47 | Bert_2 | clearly not in etch |
| 13:32.53 | asg | Bert_2: no but there may be a backport or you could roll your own (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
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| 13:35.59 | artagnon | An iwlist wlan0 scan on my wirelss card [http://pastebin.com/d1dd058c5] is giving me 0 results no matter what. What could be the issue? |
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| 13:36.52 | nsadmin | artagnon: no waps around? antenna gain too low? |
| 13:37.24 | artagnon | nsadmin: Every other computer in the room is connected just fine and the router is locate right next to me :P |
| 13:37.44 | asg | artagnon: is the router broadcasting its SSID? |
| 13:37.52 | l403 | ehmm, guys, I dont know why but aptitude is just autoremoving alot of stuff like file-roller gcalctool gconf editor gdm gnome-backgrounds and so on and no and dont know why :-/ |
| 13:38.08 | artagnon | asg: Yes. Even my E71 phone detects its presence |
| 13:38.18 | asg | artagnon: oh, hmmmm |
| 13:38.19 | artagnon | and connects to it when supplied with a WPA key |
| 13:38.23 | themill | dpkg: tell l403 about unmarkauto |
| 13:38.41 | nsadmin | artagnon: hmm... what hardware is it? |
| 13:38.48 | Symbi0nt | Hwo can I install TLS (email security) on debian? I mean is that email account indipendent? |
| 13:38.59 | artagnon | nsadmin: It's in the paste. Atheros. |
| 13:39.11 | Symbi0nt | or do I need somekind of key service? |
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| 13:40.06 | themill | artagnon: what does the RF kill switch do with that hardware? (are you sure that the radio is turned on?) |
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| 13:40.12 | petemc | Symbi0nt: you need to configure your MTA to support it |
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| 13:41.46 | l403 | themill, thank you |
| 13:42.03 | artagnon | themill: Yeah, there's a physical switch on my laptop for wireless which is turned on |
| 13:42.38 | artagnon | themill: and as far as I can tell, the switch only controls my WiFi adapter wlan0 |
| 13:42.58 | themill | ok, ignore me then |
| 13:44.03 | artagnon | I have a bad feeling that my kernel doesn't support this card, even though lspci lists it fine |
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| 13:46.25 | Arafangion | artagnon: More than likely you need an additional binary blob. |
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| 13:46.42 | cantido | Arafangion: lspci works from a database of pci ids |
| 13:46.51 | cantido | Arafangion: doesn't mean there's a driver |
| 13:47.01 | Arafangion | cantido: Fix your tab button. :) |
| 13:47.15 | cantido | Arafangion: ah, sorry, lazy tabbing |
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| 13:47.38 | cantido | artagnon: lspci works from a database of pci ids, doesn't mean there's a driver, tab isn't always right the first time,.. |
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| 13:48.08 | lo127 | how can I search in all files in a directory tree? |
| 13:48.18 | cantido | lo127: man find |
| 13:48.18 | asg | lo127: grep -ilr keyword /dir |
| 13:48.30 | lo127 | like grep foobar *.c; in a folder |
| 13:48.33 | lo127 | thanks asg |
| 13:49.04 | asg | lo127: remove the 'l' if you want the output instead of just a list of files containing 'keyword' |
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| 13:54.48 | artagnon | I have a bad feeling that the kernel doesn't support my wireless card [http://pastebin.com/d1dd058c5] because iwlist wlan0 scan doesn't list any APs. How am I to be certain? |
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| 13:56.21 | _Brandon_ | hi, I have a init.d script that runs tightvnc at startup, aren't those scripts runned by root? because tightvnc looks for //.vnc at startup, like if $HOME is empty |
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| 13:56.40 | justin | artagnon: if the kernel didn't support your wireless card you wouldn't even have a wlan0 |
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| 13:57.06 | asg | artagnon: maybe http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k will have some advice |
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| 13:57.19 | justin | artagnon: try sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any;ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 13:57.35 | ezettel | hi folks. nobody using snort and oinkmaster on lenny? |
| 13:57.38 | nsadmin | artagnon: atheros is actually a company very friendly toward linux |
| 13:57.39 | justin | artagnon: it also could be that you are just missing the firmware, does dmesg say anything about firmware? |
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| 13:57.46 | hark | artagnon: check your rf switch |
| 13:57.49 | leonardo_ | mrs, why i cant use eclipse installing via aptitude? show the following error |
| 13:57.55 | artagnon | nsadmin: I see, that's good news |
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| 13:57.59 | artagnon | hark: checked, it's on |
| 13:58.00 | creature_ | there is a linux friendly company? |
| 13:58.04 | artagnon | justin: for the most part |
| 13:58.08 | leonardo_ | searching for compatible vm... testing /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk...found |
| 13:58.09 | \amethyst | _Brandon_: HOME probably is empty |
| 13:58.10 | artagnon | asg: Thanks, looking |
| 13:58.17 | leonardo_ | i want use jdk of sun |
| 13:58.28 | themill | dpkg: tell leonardo_ about install java |
| 13:58.28 | hark | artagnon: if it's lenny, try a newer kernel or madwifi |
| 13:58.32 | \amethyst | _Brandon_: HOME gets set at login, but the init scripts aren't run under a login |
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| 13:58.35 | artagnon | justin: yes, I scanned only after bringing up the interface |
| 13:58.39 | artagnon | hark: no, it's Squeeze |
| 13:58.45 | artagnon | Squeeze/Sid |
| 13:58.49 | leonardo_ | themill: i have java-6-jdk installed |
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| 13:59.20 | themill | leonardo_: there's no such package in debian. |
| 13:59.49 | _Brandon_ | \amethyst: I see, thanks |
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| 14:01.43 | artagnon | asg: The page clearly states that my card specificially should work even in Lenny |
| 14:01.47 | artagnon | and I'm on Squeeze/Sid |
| 14:01.52 | artagnon | so it should work almost flawlessly |
| 14:04.11 | ezettel | really nobody is using snort and oinkmaster on lenny? snort / sourcefire wont provide snort rules for snort 2.7 any longer and snort 2.7 is the lenny one. any ideas what will happen with snort 2.7 in lenny cause this? |
| 14:05.22 | creature_ | i've been running snort 5 years without knowing what it does |
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| 14:06.21 | creature_ | !snort |
| 14:06.21 | dpkg | hmm... snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 14:06.34 | ezettel | so you can save your performance using this old snort rules because they will not detect recent attacks |
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| 14:07.09 | artagnon | Is it possible that only the scanning functionality of my wireless card is unimplemented in the driver? |
| 14:07.31 | creature_ | lol that would be gay |
| 14:07.53 | artagnon | yeah, I'd have to know the SSID of every coffee shop's network :P |
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| 14:07.58 | cantido | artagnon: what driver is it? |
| 14:08.10 | artagnon | cantido: ath5k |
| 14:08.18 | cantido | artagnon: works fine here |
| 14:08.29 | cantido | artagnon: there is an issue with the rfkill module though |
| 14:08.41 | artagnon | cantido: what is the issue again? |
| 14:08.50 | artagnon | I'll explain my problem; it's very simple |
| 14:09.01 | cantido | artagnon: on the acer aspire one at least you have to blacklist the rfkill module to make it work with network-manager |
| 14:09.42 | artagnon | sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed; sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any; sudo ifup wlan0; sudo iwlist wlan0 scan -> no results |
| 14:09.49 | artagnon | it's that simple. Just no results |
| 14:10.02 | artagnon | cantido: I'll modprobe and check if rfkill is loaded, wait |
| 14:10.08 | cantido | artagnon: anything in dmesg? |
| 14:10.09 | justin | artagnon: what does dmesg say? |
| 14:10.10 | eliran | hey |
| 14:10.12 | eliran | I'll find out |
| 14:10.47 | cantido | artagnon: even with rfkill running it works here, its just the aspire hardware is wonky and tell n-m that the wifi is always disabled or something |
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| 14:11.35 | cantido | artagnon: have you do ifconfig wlan0 up? |
| 14:11.37 | artagnon | justin and cantido: Nothing in dmesg either :( |
| 14:11.42 | cantido | artagnon: have you done |
| 14:11.48 | artagnon | cantido: yes |
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| 14:12.00 | artagnon | it doesn't allow scanning unless the interface is up in the first place |
| 14:12.06 | cantido | artagnon: if you do ifconfig wlan |
| 14:12.10 | cantido | artagnon: oops |
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| 14:12.36 | artagnon | cantido: you want the output of that? one sec |
| 14:12.37 | cantido | artagnon: if you do ifconfig wlan0 down and ifconfig wlan0 up do you see any attempts to associate with aps? |
| 14:12.46 | artagnon | cantido: no |
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| 14:12.53 | artagnon | and nothing in dmesg on the up |
| 14:13.04 | artagnon | just wlan0: link is not ready on the down |
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| 14:13.39 | MontelEdwards | I just installed debian and i think that i messed up.. I get this initrmfs thing and no desktop at all |
| 14:13.41 | artagnon | well, rfkill is loaded. Should I try unloading it? |
| 14:13.42 | MontelEdwards | any ideas? |
| 14:13.46 | artagnon | I have an ASUS F5RL |
| 14:14.18 | darkskiez | Hmm, Google Recommended Videos: Girl caught by boyfriend webcam. Recommended because you searched for lkml. |
| 14:14.29 | cantido | artagnon: I dont think thats the issue with your hardware |
| 14:14.48 | artagnon | cantido: ok, so how do I proceed now? |
| 14:15.20 | cantido | artagnon: you googled that module number with linux at the end? just to check if this isnt common |
| 14:15.23 | artagnon | rfkill unloaded -> no scan results |
| 14:16.13 | artagnon | cantido: Which module number [http://pastebin.com/d1dd058c5]? I googled for AR242x and everything seems to say that it works fine |
| 14:16.18 | cantido | artagnon: rfkill is specific to your machine iirc, when I said there was an issue with it I really meant that was an issue here not with ath5k so much |
| 14:16.44 | artagnon | ok |
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| 14:18.01 | artagnon | btw, the access point is WPA protected, but I don't think that's relevant right now |
| 14:18.17 | cantido | artagnon: sorry, was being told off.. |
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| 14:18.28 | cantido | artagnon: can you unload the ath5k module and reload it? |
| 14:18.29 | MontelEdwards | I just installed debian and i think that i messed up.. I get this initrmfs thing and no desktop at all |
| 14:18.37 | artagnon | cantido: sure, one sec |
| 14:18.48 | cantido | artagnon: look what comes out of dmesg |
| 14:18.54 | artagnon | right, one |
| 14:18.56 | artagnon | sec |
| 14:19.32 | artagnon | ok, lots of stuff |
| 14:19.35 | artagnon | I'll paste, one sec |
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| 14:19.45 | cantido | if you get really stuck you could always try madwifi. I think its possible madwifi is still more mature than ath5k |
| 14:20.00 | artagnon | cantido: http://pastebin.com/d761204cd |
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| 14:20.30 | artagnon | cantido: unlikely though. They moved *out* of madwifi and into ath5k in Lenny |
| 14:20.36 | cantido | [114746.988101] ath5k phy0: Support for RF2425 is under development. |
| 14:20.51 | artagnon | oh fuck |
| 14:20.51 | cantido | artagnon: ath5k is in the kernel, hence its in lenny |
| 14:21.03 | artagnon | cantido: right. |
| 14:21.08 | artagnon | so it doesn't work |
| 14:21.15 | cantido | artagnon: you can still build madwifi thought |
| 14:21.17 | cantido | though |
| 14:21.26 | artagnon | alright, I'll try that |
| 14:21.54 | artagnon | cantido: thanks for the awesome heads up. It didn't occur to me to watch my kernel while loading the module before :P |
| 14:22.00 | cantido | artagnon: it might just be the actual hardware you have, it might not like the radio that's been used or something like that.. I'm not sure atheros use integrated radios,.. |
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| 14:22.30 | mesa_booger | i don't know what all the fuss about ath5k is about. it worked for me just fine. maybe i got lucky |
| 14:22.35 | cantido | artagnon: wireless is still shitty on linux ;) |
| 14:22.39 | nickydeejay | hello again... |
| 14:23.21 | cantido | mesa_booger: it works now on my aspire one, from memory I don't think it did when it first entered the kernel |
| 14:23.31 | artagnon | cantido: yeah, it's SO shitty |
| 14:23.33 | nickydeejay | got debian up and running on virtualbox. looks and feels nice. stable is the word i guess. |
| 14:23.36 | artagnon | my laptop is over 2 years old |
| 14:23.41 | artagnon | and still no WiFi :( |
| 14:23.49 | artagnon | when I bought it, I had no hope at all |
| 14:23.57 | cantido | artagnon: ath9k seems to just work |
| 14:23.59 | artagnon | but even now! |
| 14:24.09 | artagnon | cantido: for this card? |
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| 14:24.23 | cantido | artagnon: nah, for other atheros chipsets |
| 14:24.30 | artagnon | ok |
| 14:24.40 | cantido | artagnon: I would try madwifi, just see if it works |
| 14:24.41 | nummer9 | "ssl-cert" uses /dev/urandom for key generation. isn't it an unsafe configuration? |
| 14:24.50 | artagnon | cantido: right, I'm downloading it right now |
| 14:25.00 | nickydeejay | could someone point me in the right direction in order to get everything running right. like the top 5 things to do after a debian install... |
| 14:25.08 | artagnon | bloody madwifi.org is FULL of broken links! |
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| 14:25.18 | cantido | artagnon: use module-assistant |
| 14:25.26 | nickydeejay | flash is not running good i think. its weird... |
| 14:25.35 | cantido | artagnon: you don't need to mess around with their site ;) |
| 14:26.08 | cantido | nickydeejay: Which flash player, which version of debian.. |
| 14:26.14 | artagnon | cantido: er, where is their (CVS, wasn't it) repository? I have to download it first! |
| 14:26.28 | mesa_booger | there is always ndiswrapper. ok, not as pure as the driven snow - but nearly always works |
| 14:26.33 | cantido | artagnon: no, module-assistant will download the source |
| 14:26.39 | artagnon | cantido: oh |
| 14:26.44 | artagnon | reads up on module-assistant |
| 14:26.46 | cantido | artagnon: you might need to add non-free |
| 14:26.52 | cantido | artagnon: because of the hal business |
| 14:27.07 | artagnon | cantido: right |
| 14:27.11 | artagnon | mesa_booger: right |
| 14:27.13 | artagnon | first madwifi |
| 14:27.16 | cantido | mesa_booger: it should work with madwifi though |
| 14:27.17 | artagnon | then ndiswrapper |
| 14:27.19 | OpenTokix | nummer9: It's ok enthropy, but not as good as /dev/random - but doing it from /dev/random takes ...... forever |
| 14:27.37 | OpenTokix | nummer9: but you can generate a cert with ssl from /dev/random if you like to |
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| 14:28.04 | \amethyst | nummer9: one issue is that not all machines have a reliable way to fill up the entropy pool |
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| 14:29.37 | OpenTokix | \amethyst: I dont even know how to get a machine like that. =) |
| 14:29.46 | \amethyst | nummer9: /dev/urandom is intended to degrade to a cryptographically secure PRNG when there is no more real entropy |
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| 14:30.23 | OpenTokix | http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg21074.html <-- explains it some |
| 14:31.35 | leonardo_ | exit |
| 14:31.35 | artagnon | is adding src reposirories and then using m-a |
| 14:32.05 | artagnon | cantido: Bear with me, I didn't add src repos in the beginning. Downloading package lists now |
| 14:32.14 | OpenTokix | nummer9: http://lwn.net/Articles/261091/ |
| 14:32.16 | justin | artagnon: are you sure you're just not missing the firmware or something? |
| 14:32.39 | artagnon | justin: er. ath5k is the driver, isn't it? |
| 14:32.39 | cantido | justin: the dmesg output should have mentioned that |
| 14:33.07 | nickydeejay | cantido: debian 5 lenny.. adobe flash. i have swf flash for gnome installed. can i remove it? |
| 14:33.07 | justin | artagnon: yeah, some wireless drivers need a firmware file that can't be included.. dunno if ath5k is one of them |
| 14:33.24 | cantido | This driver requires no firmware or binary-only HAL -- nope |
| 14:33.27 | artagnon | justin: oh, I see. I wasn't aware. |
| 14:33.52 | artagnon | yeah, someone mentioned that Atheros is very Linux-friendly |
| 14:34.01 | artagnon | which is why I bought this laptop in the first place :P |
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| 14:34.10 | artagnon | the Intel cards are hell I believe |
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| 14:34.43 | cantido | you'd think intel stuff would be ok.. all their other stuff works fine |
| 14:35.29 | artagnon | oh |
| 14:35.31 | artagnon | damn |
| 14:35.53 | artagnon | went all over the place to avoid buying a laptop with an Intel card... and now look what he's got himself into |
| 14:36.35 | themill | I've never had any hassles with the intel wireless cards under linux |
| 14:36.59 | umarzuki | hi, i'm having problem compiling synapse on sid, can somebody look trough steps i had done and tell me what was wrong? http://forums.synapse.im/topic/compiling-on-debian#post-106 |
| 14:37.01 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps what's the proper way to update my resolv.conf in lenny 5.0 here |
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| 14:37.10 | asg | bbelt16ag: with an editor |
| 14:37.19 | bbelt16ag | I used the gui networking thing in system |
| 14:37.24 | bbelt16ag | to update it |
| 14:37.35 | artagnon | ok, I'm sorry but I don't know how to use m-a ... m-a get madwifi says installation of madwifi-source failed because it doesn't exist... |
| 14:37.45 | themill | bbelt16ag: in what way does it need changing? |
| 14:38.03 | bbelt16ag | well some sources got deleted. |
| 14:38.11 | nickydeejay | i sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree didn't work but when i sudo aptitude i think it did. or did it? |
| 14:38.16 | cantido | artagnon: just run module-assistant and follow the dialogs |
| 14:38.22 | artagnon | cantido: ok |
| 14:38.23 | bbelt16ag | er servers. |
| 14:38.36 | cantido | nickydeejay: are you running ubuntu by anychance? |
| 14:38.46 | bbelt16ag | it worked fine last night and this mornng I only had my router in there not my dns server or the external ones I use |
| 14:38.57 | themill | bbelt16ag: if you're using network-manager then you are asking your dhcp client to manage /etc/resolv.conf for you. /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 14:39.13 | nickydeejay | cantido: yes i am and have been. i am trying to merge.. i run debian from virtualbox |
| 14:39.18 | nickydeejay | for now |
| 14:39.19 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 14:39.22 | hark | artagnon: no madwifi in squeeze |
| 14:39.23 | bbelt16ag | I got it in dhcp as well. |
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| 14:39.30 | artagnon | crashes |
| 14:39.44 | artagnon | hark: I have sid repos as well in my sources.list |
| 14:39.46 | cantido | artagnon: thats really bad luck :/ |
| 14:39.59 | hark | artagnon: nor in sid |
| 14:40.01 | themill | dpkg: tell nickydeejay about adobe flash |
| 14:40.03 | hark | you can get it from stable though |
| 14:40.05 | artagnon | SHIT |
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| 14:40.19 | artagnon | hark: that HAS to be a major pain |
| 14:40.29 | cantido | artagnon: what kernel are you running? |
| 14:40.41 | artagnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.54 | umarzuki | !flashplayer-mozilla |
| 14:40.57 | nickydeejay | themill: what does er mean |
| 14:41.02 | cantido | artagnon: you're running sid? |
| 14:41.24 | artagnon | cantido: No Squeeze with Sid pinning |
| 14:41.29 | themill | nickydeejay: the bot called "dpkg" will have just sent you information about how to install adobe flash on your machine |
| 14:41.37 | hark | artagnon: try a newer kernel |
| 14:41.50 | cantido | artagnon: so testing.. you could try a newer kernel from the build servers |
| 14:41.52 | nickydeejay | dpkg: said er.. lol! |
| 14:41.52 | dpkg | nickydeejay: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:42.03 | cantido | artagnon: ath5k has probably improved a bit since .26 |
| 14:42.13 | artagnon | hark and cantido: ok, by sid pinning the kernel? |
| 14:42.26 | hark | artagnon: or install the madwifi-source and madwifi-tools from stable and follow /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 14:42.46 | nickydeejay | oops.. sorry thanks dpkg |
| 14:42.59 | cantido | artagnon: open aptitude, find linux-image-2.6-amd64 and select the later version from the bit down the bottom of the package info |
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| 14:43.41 | artagnon | cantido and hark: I like cantido's solution. I'll try that first, before going to stable |
| 14:44.10 | keyhack | it has been many years since I've installed hardware in Linux, I need to add a second NIC to this desktop (3com 3c905B), I rebooted, it wasn't auto-detected, what is the simplest approach to getting the new NIC recognized? |
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| 14:44.23 | cantido | I still get weird stuff like ath9k consuming lots of a cpu time when the hardware gets hot though, so its not all perfect yet ;) |
| 14:44.45 | cantido | keyhack: you need to add an interface definition to your config |
| 14:44.56 | cantido | keyhack: it doesn't just get detected like that |
| 14:44.57 | vanjocker | argh... mono is now part of squeeze installation?! because tomboy? fuck! |
| 14:45.21 | keyhack | cantido: to which config are you referring? /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:45.35 | cantido | keyhack: indeed |
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| 14:45.55 | themill | vanjocker: almost right but not quite. And so what anyway? |
| 14:45.57 | keyhack | cantido: I did that, I added eth1, but when trying to bring the interface up it says it's not there, let me get the exact error again |
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| 14:46.19 | cantido | keyhack: Does lspci show both cards? |
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| 14:46.36 | keyhack | cantido: yes, I did lspci to confirm both cards are there |
| 14:46.37 | j-tizzle | keyhack: `modprobe [appropriate module]' |
| 14:46.38 | vanjocker | well... gnote works pretty well... we dont need tomboy... |
| 14:46.42 | artagnon | getting 2.6.29 |
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| 14:46.49 | themill | vanjocker: so install gnote instead. |
| 14:46.49 | cantido | keyhack: does $ifconfig -a; show both? |
| 14:46.55 | vanjocker | and if there r no tomboy there r no tomboy |
| 14:46.59 | vanjocker | ok i do BUT |
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| 14:47.02 | umarzuki | apt, apt |
| 14:47.02 | apt | from memory, apt is apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface |
| 14:47.07 | vanjocker | mono will become default in squeeze |
| 14:47.10 | vanjocker | as tomboy |
| 14:47.15 | vanjocker | -.- |
| 14:47.18 | keyhack | cantido: oh wow, eth1 is now showing up, it wasn't before :-), I think I can take it from here, thanks |
| 14:47.20 | themill | vanjocker: it's not a default. and so what anyway? |
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| 14:47.34 | vanjocker | http://www.osnews.com/story/21660/Mono_Part_of_Debian_s_Default_Desktop_Install_ |
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| 14:47.51 | cantido | vanjocker: gnome isn't the default is it? only if you select the desktop task.. |
| 14:48.01 | themill | vanjocker: and you believe everything you read. That's wrong on so many counts it's not funny. And so what anyway? |
| 14:48.23 | vanjocker | thats why im talking here... i cannt belive in that too |
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| 14:48.33 | vanjocker | anyway... |
| 14:48.34 | tomahawk | Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! |
| 14:48.37 | tomahawk | Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum ! Boum !. |
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| 14:49.00 | stew | tomahawk: please respond to my PMs |
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| 14:49.26 | themill | stew: I don't think that's likely any more.... |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | but he can't |
| 14:50.09 | nsadmin | perhaps he was doing that elsewhere? perhaps it was a bot |
| 14:50.12 | mesa_booger | k-line sounds like a scandinavian airline to me ... |
| 14:50.24 | nsadmin | it's a kde app |
| 14:50.34 | themill | hehe |
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| 14:51.20 | nsadmin | or it's my buddy Billy Kline... he used to play bass in the house band at a nearby club |
| 14:51.37 | cantido | I like the way the spam had a full stop at the end. |
| 14:52.11 | nsadmin | do you think it was lyrica? |
| 14:52.13 | nsadmin | s |
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| 14:58.31 | PerryArmstrong | hey can anyone help me in this problem i posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188560 |
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| 14:58.39 | umarzuki | hi, i'm having problem compiling synapse on sid, can somebody look trough steps i had done and tell me what was wrong? http://forums.synapse.im/topic/compiling-on-debian#post-106 |
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| 14:59.34 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: did you try reading the tasksel documentation? |
| 14:59.56 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; where can i get that?? |
| 15:00.07 | abrotman | umarzuki: apt-cache search qyoto |
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| 15:00.13 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: /usr/share/doc/tasksel/ |
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| 15:00.18 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; i read the man page...but i didnt get more info |
| 15:00.31 | themill | PerryArmstrong: did you read the documentation in apt-get source tasksel? |
| 15:00.34 | artagnon | rebooting to reload kernel. Hopefully ath5k will work now |
| 15:00.39 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; yes i did that..there was a .desc file |
| 15:00.40 | umarzuki | abrotman, qyoto-dev listed and installed |
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| 15:01.31 | sigius | I have two packages (deb files) which (according to dpkg --info) are mutually dependent. Is this an error ? If not how does that make sense exactly ? |
| 15:01.33 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i ran the command in my terminal...and i also read the .desc file |
| 15:01.50 | themill | PerryArmstrong: and did you actually read the documentation for tasksel that the command downloaded? |
| 15:02.17 | PerryArmstrong | themill; where did it download...i dont know about that...can you tell me |
| 15:03.25 | themill | PerryArmstrong: if you don't know what a command does or what to do next, please ask rather than just keeping on asking the same question over and over again. I could have told you that yesterday and then you'd have finished the entire project by now.... apt-get source downloads the source for tasksel to the current directory (i.e. the directory in which you ran the command) |
| 15:04.20 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i'll check that |
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| 15:06.39 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i m reading the README file |
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| 15:09.00 | PerryArmstrong | themill; while going through the readme file i got a doubt....i need to install certain packages as selected by user while installing debian....will this be possible?? |
| 15:09.27 | PerryArmstrong | themill; this process should happen while installing debian |
| 15:10.11 | phillipsm | PerryArmstrong: what packages do you specifically want to choose? the installation only installs specific packages..the rest you need to do yourself after install |
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| 15:10.35 | phillipsm | otherwise you might want to make a custom iso with the packages you want on it and then install that.. |
| 15:10.42 | themill | PerryArmstrong: step 1) write a task file that creates the tasks for each different study course that you are supporting (i.e. selects your metapackages). Step 2) Include these tasks in the installer so they are shown at the "tasksel" stage of the installer. |
| 15:10.55 | themill | phillipsm: that's precisely what he's trying to do, even if he doesn't yet know it... |
| 15:11.10 | phillipsm | lol yep |
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| 15:12.23 | chazco | Moving from Ubuntu to Debian hoping for stability :) What is the most upgrade friendly way to use nvidia cards on lenny (has to be the proprietary ones for AV out)? |
| 15:12.56 | PerryArmstrong | themill, phillipsm; you mean like for a CS student umbrello and similar packages cannot be installed during debian installation? |
| 15:13.29 | phillipsm | they can but you cannot select those packages during install of the stock debian iso...you have to make your own installation that includes those packages |
| 15:13.38 | themill | PerryArmstrong: they can! I've explained exactly how to do it 26 times in the last 2 days. I've run out of ways of explaining this to you. |
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| 15:14.59 | phillipsm | PerryArmstrong: www.lmgtfy.com?q=custom%20debian%iso |
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| 15:16.09 | artagnon | cantido: OMG! The scan returned results! :) |
| 15:16.15 | artagnon | looks like you were right |
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| 15:16.29 | artagnon | ath5k has been improved since 2.6.26 |
| 15:16.56 | artagnon | Thanks a bunch! Now all I have to do is figure out how to WPA authenticate into the network |
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| 15:17.18 | artagnon | Is wpa_supplicant still necessary for WPA authentication? |
| 15:17.28 | justin | artagnon: WPA PSK or WPA enterprise? |
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| 15:17.37 | artagnon | justin: PSK |
| 15:17.44 | ajavid | i woke up, good morning |
| 15:17.46 | justin | artagnon: oh.. that's like 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:18.00 | artagnon | justin: excellent :) |
| 15:18.02 | artagnon | I'll look into it |
| 15:18.09 | ajavid | !wpa |
| 15:18.09 | dpkg | somebody said wpa was Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 15:18.20 | justin | wireless-essid foo\n wireless-psk bar I think |
| 15:18.21 | ajavid | artagnon, last few links |
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| 15:18.54 | artagnon | ajavid: right, got it |
| 15:18.55 | ajavid | I think kmuto insaller comes with everything pre packged |
| 15:19.01 | ajavid | !kmuto |
| 15:19.01 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 15:19.21 | ajavid | lenny-custom-0302.iso - kernel version 2.6.28 + WPA support + Ubuntu linux-firmware .. |
| 15:19.25 | justin | artagnon: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSKandWPA2-PSK |
| 15:19.28 | justin | artagnon: I was close :) |
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| 15:19.34 | ajavid | justin is da man |
| 15:19.39 | PerryArmstrong | themill; ok since i am new..i had many doubts....just those 2 steps you mentioned |
| 15:19.43 | ajavid | old man, but man still ;) |
| 15:19.45 | ajavid | j/k |
| 15:20.11 | ajavid | brb |
| 15:20.15 | justin | I use network manager these days because I switch between networks that use PSK/enterprise/VPN and it makes things easier :) |
| 15:20.58 | artagnon | justin: very ;) |
| 15:21.16 | wip | hi everyone, i run a server with debian, but i have many troubles with it: freeze, keyboard not responding etc... so i want to apt-get upgrade, but many "packages have been kept back". how to install those packages? |
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| 15:21.38 | SQlvpapir | !debdelta |
| 15:21.55 | polycarbonate1 | wip: what's the reason for them being kept back? |
| 15:21.56 | SQlvpapir | hmm.. anybody using debdelta or know if there are any repos for it? |
| 15:22.02 | asg | wip: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 15:22.20 | wip | polycarbonate1: i really don't know |
| 15:22.42 | polycarbonate1 | wip: yeah, ask dpkg-bot |
| 15:23.09 | polycarbonate1 | asg: thanks, i'm still getting to know it too :) |
| 15:23.14 | wip | i would like to have a robot tell me how to fix this problem X) |
| 15:24.05 | wip | maybe i need to apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:25.07 | polycarbonate1 | wip: are you saying you want to upgrade your distro? |
| 15:25.16 | polycarbonate1 | or upgrade the packages? |
| 15:25.55 | polycarbonate1 | from your original question, i'd say just a general system update |
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| 15:26.14 | polycarbonate1 | a) what version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:26.23 | wip | i just want the last version of everything. but doing apt-get update i get the kept back things... doing apt-get dist-upgrade = no kept back |
| 15:26.54 | themill | wip: /msg dpkg latest ; /msg dpkg dist-upgrade ; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 15:27.18 | polycarbonate1 | ok, what repos'es are you using? |
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| 15:27.30 | polycarbonate1 | themill: wow, that bot's awesome :) |
| 15:27.43 | wip | polycarbonate1: volatile |
| 15:28.38 | jelly | wip: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, and the output of dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 15:28.49 | ajavid | back |
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| 15:32.05 | PerryArmstrong | themill; tasksel-->tasks...here is where i have to define tasks right?? |
| 15:32.45 | wip | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1462269 |
| 15:33.00 | wip | jelly: ii libc6         2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 15:33.21 | artagnon | hm. My wireless network card isn't fetching an IP address. I've set the essid to my router's essid from the iwlist wlan0 scan output and mode to managed. I've also put in the wpa-psk in my interfaces file. What could be wrong? Can I find out if the problem is with the passphrase? |
| 15:33.32 | jelly | wip: oh, you're still on etch but that apt set up for "stable" |
| 15:33.53 | wip | jelly: danger? |
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| 15:34.18 | wip | jelly: i mean what is best knowing that i don't want to mess up the system? |
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| 15:34.32 | wip | jelly: maybe just changing the repo? |
| 15:34.37 | jelly | wip: things could break; you should update to lenny if you can spare time fixing things |
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| 15:34.53 | jelly | wip: I'm away, I'll let someone else help |
| 15:36.27 | PerryArmstrong | themill; there?? |
| 15:36.32 | beware | i'm trying to enable or monitor C2 sleep state on a debian PC |
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| 15:37.12 | Phlogi | nidias: hihi |
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| 15:38.33 | wip | knowing that my debian is etch and my repo is stable... what is the best to do? i don't have the skills to update to lenny, i just want to fix this system? |
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| 15:39.49 | PerryArmstrong | themill; are you there?? |
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| 15:40.15 | jelly | wip: first thing to do would be to replace "stable" with "etch" everywhere in sources.list |
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| 15:40.37 | jelly | wip: if you did upgrades, some of your packages may already be on lenny versions |
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| 15:40.53 | wip | jelly: lenny = stable? |
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| 15:40.58 | jelly | wip: yes. |
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| 15:41.42 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: themill appears to be busy/afk, yes you're correct |
| 15:41.48 | wip | jelly: the risk of corrupting the system is huge if i go to apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:42.40 | PerryArmstrong | so does these tasks that are defined in tasksel-->tasks appear in the UI?? |
| 15:43.46 | jelly | wip: not corrupting; but it being a major release upgrade, some of your applications might end up with unoptimal or broken configuration. Eg. if you used php4, it doesn't even exist any more in the distro. |
| 15:43.55 | jelly | wip: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:43.56 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; so does these tasks that are defined in tasksel-->tasks appear in the UI?? |
| 15:44.12 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; automatically |
| 15:44.18 | jelly | wip: read the release notes before proceeding with a dist-upgrade |
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| 15:45.41 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: should do |
| 15:46.25 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; ok now how do i put it in the debian installer?? |
| 15:47.16 | justin | PerryArmstrong: why are you bothering making a custom installer? |
| 15:47.30 | redstick | every time i boot i have to modprobe ath5k |
| 15:47.35 | PerryArmstrong | justin; its my project... |
| 15:47.37 | redstick | how do i tell it to load auto? |
| 15:47.50 | redstick | in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:47.59 | justin | PerryArmstrong: is it too much to ask a user to just run 'apt-get install metapackage'? |
| 15:48.01 | petemc | redstick: auto ethN |
| 15:48.54 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: sorry, out of my territory now :) |
| 15:49.08 | PerryArmstrong | justin; our mission is to make linux easy for those who haven't tried...in order to promote linux we created an OS for students.... |
| 15:49.18 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; in the sense?? |
| 15:49.40 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: that was what i suspected, so why not a custom LiveCD? |
| 15:49.50 | justin | PerryArmstrong: i hope you did not 'create an OS' but really just a few metapackages |
| 15:49.56 | justin | the world does not need more debian based distros |
| 15:50.20 | PerryArmstrong | justin; not me..its the local FSF that created...i just got into the project this june |
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| 15:50.32 | polycarbonate1 | justin: i have one... Chel (Cesium Linux) :D |
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| 15:50.47 | LeSpocky | hello |
| 15:50.56 | PerryArmstrong | justin; i learnt how to metapackage and to solve dependencies....but stuck at this custom task... |
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| 15:51.17 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; whats a custom LIVECD?? |
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| 15:52.29 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: you take a standard Debian (or whatever) LiveCD, add/remove programs, reconfigure as desired, and remaster the disc :) |
| 15:52.33 | phillipsm | a custom liveCD is just an iso that you customize with packages and then it boots without installing...its the same as the regular livecd but with different packages installed |
| 15:52.45 | phillipsm | there are tutorials all over the place on how to do it |
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| 15:53.19 | phillipsm | ubuntu has a pretty good tutorial on their homepage on creating and customizing a livecd |
| 15:53.24 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; i can't revolutionize the local FSF now and change their plans...i have to do what they told me to do...but the fact is i am confused how to do |
| 15:53.44 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: yeah, ok, i get that :) |
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| 15:54.18 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: i wasn't in on the first part of your conversation, perhaps someone else can help you better? |
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| 15:55.06 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; a quick look at this will tell you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188560 |
| 15:55.06 | ToreadorVampire | Arg, I've asked this before and since forgotten the answer ... how do I discover which debian package a specific command is within. I know the command I want to execute, but whatever package it's contained in doesn't share the same name, and apt-cache search [commandname] finds nothing |
| 15:55.25 | petemc | ToreadorVampire: apt-file , /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:59.13 | ToreadorVampire | Thanks petemc - I hate knowing what I want, but not knowing the name of the package I need to install in order to get it hehe :) |
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| 16:01.53 | jaggz- | I can't find xvattr for setting my overlay display to my external svga display |
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| 16:03.39 | jaggz- | found it I think |
| 16:04.01 | jaggz- | was looking in debian.org's packages site, but not in apt system.. |
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| 16:06.35 | phillipsm | PerryArmstrong: can i PM... i think i have some resources that may help |
| 16:07.14 | Haraken | can someone give me some advice on how to do a netboot/netinstall with debian squeeze? I have the vmlinuz/initrd from debian squeeze setup on the pxe server but it still installs debian lenny instead. |
| 16:07.26 | Haraken | I'd rather not do an upgrade after the fact since that takes longer |
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| 16:14.56 | polycarbonate1 | phillipsm, PerryArmstrong: you right now? |
| 16:15.01 | polycarbonate1 | sorry, i g2g |
| 16:15.08 | phillipsm | i am |
| 16:15.15 | polycarbonate1 | can't help you atm |
| 16:15.28 | phillipsm | well im trying to help him but he wont answer lol |
| 16:16.04 | polycarbonate1 | haha |
| 16:16.14 | phillipsm | yeah |
| 16:16.34 | phillipsm | its funny when people come on here and expect someone to do something for them |
| 16:16.57 | phillipsm | instead of point them in the right direction so they can actually "learn something" |
| 16:17.13 | Haraken | someone please point me in the right direction ;) |
| 16:17.33 | polycarbonate1 | Haraken: what was your question? |
| 16:18.02 | Haraken | I'm trying to do a netboot/netinstall with debian squeeze, but it keeps installing debian lenny instead. I am using the initrd and vmlinuz from debian squeeze |
| 16:18.22 | polycarbonate1 | ... |
| 16:18.49 | polycarbonate1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.04 | Haraken | edit that during the install? |
| 16:19.23 | polycarbonate1 | what's it say? |
| 16:19.25 | phillipsm | well according to debian site it says squeeze is a version of Lenny with testing updates so are you certain its not squeeze? |
| 16:19.55 | polycarbonate1 | well, you're probably doing it right then :) |
| 16:20.06 | disturbedmime | Haraken: i had the opposite problem with a lenny 5.0 netinst disk :-D |
| 16:20.25 | Haraken | ohh |
| 16:20.46 | Haraken | if that is the case, then I'm not sure. I just noticed the same kernel version |
| 16:20.53 | Haraken | and it said lenny when it was done installing |
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| 16:21.08 | Haraken | but it said lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:21.37 | Haraken | I was able to change it to squeeze and get perform dist-upgrade and such... so I guess I'll have to download a squeeze netinstall disk and try that instead. |
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| 16:23.08 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; yes tell me |
| 16:23.09 | Haraken | disturbedmime, what was yours installing instead? |
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| 16:23.37 | phillipsm | PerryArmstrong: did you get my PM's? |
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| 16:24.32 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: (01:45:13) polycarbonate1: can't help you atm |
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| 16:24.41 | polycarbonate1 | i'm off for now |
| 16:24.48 | polycarbonate1 | catch you guys |
| 16:24.57 | polycarbonate1 | *goes to bed* |
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| 16:25.18 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; good night6 |
| 16:25.38 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: what timezone you in anyway btw? |
| 16:25.50 | jaggz- | Vhy?? xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1024x1024 (desired size 2048x768) I already set a Virtual line in the SubSection "Display" in the Section "Screen" of my xorg.conf bleh |
| 16:26.07 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; GMT+5.30 |
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| 16:26.19 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: :) +9:30 |
| 16:26.53 | l403 | you crazy halfanhourers :) |
| 16:27.00 | polycarbonate1 | haha |
| 16:27.35 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; ohh you must be in phillipines or so |
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| 16:27.51 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: Adelaide, AU |
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| 16:28.08 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; australia... |
| 16:28.35 | polycarbonate1 | 1403: never really thought of that before, work mostly in UTC now anyway :D |
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| 16:29.00 | polycarbonate1 | PerryArmstrong: g'day from down under then :D |
| 16:29.08 | patrikf | polycarbonate1: get a font which has a difference between l and 1 :P |
| 16:29.27 | PerryArmstrong | polycarbonate1; wish you the same and thanks for the help |
| 16:29.35 | l403 | dont worry, I got that on highlight too :) |
| 16:29.41 | patrikf | heh |
| 16:29.42 | polycarbonate1 | patrikf: whoops |
| 16:29.50 | polycarbonate1 | l403: haha, sorry |
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| 16:30.17 | l403 | dont be sorry, you just probably struggled with [tab] :) |
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| 16:31.37 | polycarbonate1 | no, i did wonder why i couldn't tab complete |
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| 16:31.49 | polycarbonate1 | but i'm also half asleep :P |
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| 16:37.41 | PerryArmstrong | phillipsm; please read my pm |
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| 16:47.19 | jpinx | polycarbonate1: Is adelaide nice? |
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| 17:01.08 | Sensiva | Hello all, I am going to download all etch and lenny (i386-amd64) packages using debmirror, I need to know how much space do I need , I tried to search but found old sizes (since 2005), is there a way to know how much size do I need? |
| 17:01.35 | ajavid | lenny and a half anyone? |
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| 17:04.25 | deco | what's the applet code in kde that controls your volume ? the only applets that came with the kde istalltion are huge graphics things and not the small speaker icon |
| 17:04.34 | deco | applet called * |
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| 17:05.33 | jelly | Sensiva: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size |
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| 17:05.55 | jelly | Sensiva: you need i386+amd64+all |
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| 17:06.30 | Sensiva | jelly but that's for etch, lenny, squeeze. I need etch and lenny only |
| 17:06.42 | jelly | Sensiva: oh, right |
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| 17:07.08 | jelly | it's going to be less in any case ;-) |
| 17:07.24 | Sensiva | :D |
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| 17:07.35 | Sensiva | I guess its going to be its half |
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| 17:16.24 | ajavid | ohhhhh |
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| 17:16.43 | ajavid | its release after newstable |
| 17:16.47 | ajavid | is it? |
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| 17:17.25 | ajavid | We also intend for there to be a "Lenny and a half" release half-way through the Squeeze release cycle, as was done for Etch. If necessary, during the "Lenny and a half" release additional hardware support will be considered. |
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| 17:17.57 | ajavid | that could be how long? 1 year? 2 year? few months? any ideas? |
| 17:18.01 | ajavid | just wir? |
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| 17:21.46 | ajavid | deco, afaik, kmix |
| 17:22.00 | ajavid | deco, kmix is not applet, it runs in system tray (for stable 3.5 kde) |
| 17:22.35 | ajavid | deco, dunno kde4 at all. the kicker applet for that is probably a mixer, right click panel, add applet to panel, look through the list |
| 17:23.29 | sigius | Question:How do I install with apt-get a package of a particular version ? Documents say to do (eg) 'apt-get install nautilus=2.2.4-1' but this only works when the relevant .deb file is available on my system. |
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| 17:24.23 | jelly | sigius: it needs to be available from a configured repository. Does an apt-cache policy packagename list your desired version? |
| 17:24.26 | fxiny | apt-get install <package>=version |
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| 17:25.11 | jelly | sigius: if you're using stable and want to install some newer pacakges from testing or unstable, _don't_ |
| 17:26.03 | deco | ajavid: thanks i got help from kde channel , i thought it was an applet but its a application that sticks at the panel :P its called kmix |
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| 17:26.18 | jelly | sigius: which release of debian are you using? What's the actual package and version you're after? What does that apt-cache policy packagename command say? |
| 17:26.29 | sigius | jelly, actually I want to install an older package in this case |
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| 17:27.00 | TbbW | anyone got a link to a guide in how to make a debian installer onto a usb memory ? |
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| 17:27.19 | abrotman | TbbW: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 17:27.26 | abrotman | sigius: why? |
| 17:28.18 | sigius | abrotman , besides the point, I have this all te time for valid and invalid reasons |
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| 17:28.31 | TbbW | Thanks abrotman! :D |
| 17:28.45 | pengpbum | HU/AU-Service Mode +tncPLlfJ |
| 17:29.13 | jelly | sigius: being more specific will speed up the problem resolution process |
| 17:29.24 | sigius | jelly, I'd like to now the general procedure: So to see what versions are available to me |
| 17:29.47 | abrotman | sigius: yes, but it does matter which package and which version you want |
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| 17:30.15 | sigius | say I have a package with a bug. Now I want to go back to an earlier version. How would I do that ? |
| 17:30.48 | fxiny | dpkg -i <old.deb> |
| 17:30.49 | dpkg | package <old.deb> is already installed |
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| 17:30.54 | jelly | sigius: that would depend on which debian release you were running, and the repositories enabled |
| 17:31.18 | jelly | sigius: you might get away with installing a package from release-1 |
| 17:31.34 | jelly | sigius: or you might have to look at /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:31.54 | sigius | jelly, ok, so I would have to have say 'sarge' listed in sources.list to get that version into my etch system ? |
| 17:32.16 | jelly | sigius: if you wanted to get a package version from srage, yes. |
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| 17:33.15 | jelly | sigius: you'd also have to hold it after the installation, /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:33.33 | sigius | jelly, OK, i see. And if I wanted to have a particular version say nautilus=2.2.14.1 I would have to go and download the .deb myself ? |
| 17:33.45 | jelly | sigius: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:34.18 | jelly | feels his lines aren't actually being read |
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| 17:35.07 | jelly | somehow, relevant information seems to fall through and doesn't reach the other side |
| 17:35.38 | ajavid | deco, yup, first thing i said to myself, I siad, this guy needs kmix |
| 17:35.39 | ajavid | ;) |
| 17:35.41 | sigius | jelly, sorry had to keep up. snapshots ok, very good |
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| 17:36.18 | sigius | jelly, i guess thats what I was looking for |
| 17:36.51 | deco | ajavid: yeah, had to add the applets and apps to the panel by my self , it was lacking a bunch of them |
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| 17:37.17 | maxagaz | how to know step by step where where is a service installed (which machine and directory), from the fact that i know its dns ? |
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| 17:37.37 | ajavid | deco, I tried out kubuntu to see 9.04 |
| 17:37.41 | ajavid | I mean kde4 |
| 17:37.56 | ajavid | deco, its still not where it should be, so back to bootinto into my lenny parittion |
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| 17:38.26 | deco | ajavid: no kubuntu is bad for kde |
| 17:38.31 | jelly | maxagaz: what is "a service"? |
| 17:38.31 | ajavid | deco, welcome to the... 'Debian Side' young padewan |
| 17:38.49 | maxagaz | jelly, i meant a web application |
| 17:38.53 | deco | ajavid: try fedora 11 with kde4 |
| 17:39.02 | deco | ajavid: thanks :P |
| 17:39.03 | ajavid | deco, I am waiting for lenny and a half |
| 17:39.06 | maxagaz | jelly, redmine in my case |
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| 17:39.16 | deco | ajavid: what's that? |
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| 17:39.25 | ajavid | deco, its debian lenny, plus a half |
| 17:39.33 | ajavid | deco, apparently |
| 17:39.34 | deco | ajavid: oh , what will it have? |
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| 17:39.47 | jelly | maxagaz: I've no idea what that is, sorry. In any case, the host name gives you the machine. |
| 17:39.52 | ajavid | deco, like etch and a half, just updates to stable, to keep it upto date a little more |
| 17:40.01 | ajavid | deco, nice thing debian people are now doing for stable |
| 17:40.10 | ajavid | they starte the 'half' thing with etch |
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| 17:40.15 | ajavid | very good idea imo |
| 17:40.25 | deco | ajavid: oh, i wouldn't know since debian5 is the first debian i used |
| 17:40.30 | ajavid | ohh |
| 17:40.34 | ajavid | yeh, its aewsome |
| 17:40.42 | jelly | maxagaz: you'll likely have to have some sort of access to that machine to get the web server (or servlet container, or...) configuration for that virtual host |
| 17:40.57 | deco | ajavid: been using it for 3 days now, my distro of choice now :P |
| 17:41.23 | ajavid | deco, I fet the same after 12 hours on that memorable day in 2001 January |
| 17:41.46 | ajavid | I can't remember the guys name, he said to me, use debian, I said ok, I did and I never looked back |
| 17:41.56 | deco | ajavid: hehe, im amazed at the speed how fast everything moves compated to my prevoius distro being ubuntu :P |
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| 17:42.08 | deco | compared* |
| 17:42.13 | ajavid | yeh, its fat, especially if you don't use like a full kde/gnome cd1 |
| 17:42.28 | ajavid | just like a netinst or netboot with minimal base system + whateve rYOU need == best |
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| 17:42.38 | ajavid | ubuntu install too much, so it makes i slow |
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| 17:43.00 | rektide | how can i see all file descriptors a program is holding open? |
| 17:43.14 | ajavid | lsof? |
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| 17:43.59 | ajavid | deco, I still burned a kde cd1 5.0.1 for convinience |
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| 17:44.12 | ajavid | I kinda got tired of haivng to do netinsts all the time |
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| 17:44.33 | maxagaz | is there a quick way to know where apache config is installed on a server ? |
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| 17:44.45 | ajavid | maxagaz, on debian, 2.x is /etc/apache2/ |
| 17:44.53 | ajavid | maxagaz, in apachd2.conf, ports.conf, etc. etc. |
| 17:45.06 | ajavid | maxagaz, 1.3 is no longer supported so I probaly shouldn't tell you about it |
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| 17:45.30 | ajavid | maxagaz, you can also try like dpkg -L apache-common or something |
| 17:46.24 | maxagaz | ajavid, thanks |
| 17:46.57 | ajavid | yup |
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| 17:47.14 | deco | ajavid: so will kde4 in stable be here anytime soon? |
| 17:47.38 | ajavid | with squeeze |
| 17:47.57 | ajavid | someone may backport it for lenny, someday... I wouldn't count on it |
| 17:49.14 | deco | ajavid: what do you use? i forgot i think |
| 17:49.58 | ajavid | Debian Lenny, 2.6.29 custom, kde3.5, latest lamp stack from upstream stable sources |
| 17:50.05 | ajavid | specifically php 5.2.9 |
| 17:50.13 | ajavid | and tahts about all i need |
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| 17:50.29 | deco | ajavid: nice |
| 17:50.48 | deco | deco: just switched to kde3 from gnome for ever :P |
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| 17:51.01 | ajavid | i have not used gnome since 2.08 |
| 17:51.10 | ajavid | what is it upto now? |
| 17:51.33 | mesa_booger | 2.24 or thereabouts |
| 17:51.39 | deco | ajavid: nothing really i guess , the same |
| 17:51.39 | ajavid | wow |
| 17:51.40 | abrotman | .26 i believe |
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| 17:52.21 | deco | ajavid: i almost vomited when i tried configuring gnome gconf ,,, -_- |
| 17:52.21 | ajavid | deco, as for what I want? I want now xort 7.4 for free 3d on ati radeon |
| 17:52.31 | ajavid | deco, thats what I want, but don't need |
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| 17:52.44 | ajavid | deco, ugly like windows regedit :) |
| 17:52.51 | ajavid | kde ftw |
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| 17:53.00 | deco | ajavid: yeah, that's when i said enough and switched :P |
| 17:53.02 | abrotman | yeah .. until you're forced into kde4 |
| 17:53.09 | ajavid | yeh |
| 17:53.14 | ajavid | abrotman, that makes me sad :( |
| 17:53.16 | deco | abrotman: looks like it's gonna be a long time |
| 17:53.19 | WormFood | does debian sid have a good audio editor in it? (preferably something that can handle mp3s directly).....or, even better....is there a command line tool that will let me cut out the first 30 seconds of an mp3? |
| 17:53.30 | abrotman | audacity |
| 17:53.32 | ajavid | but by my count, I got at least another 2 years on debian stable/kde |
| 17:53.36 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 17:53.54 | deco | maybe they'll get their act together by that time |
| 17:54.01 | ajavid | well I mean, at leat 1 more year for stable, and then another for when lenny is oldstable |
| 17:54.10 | ajavid | so total, I'd say round about two more years of kde3 in debian |
| 17:54.11 | jelly | abrotman: until the oldstable lenny loses security support |
| 17:54.18 | jelly | right |
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| 17:54.32 | abrotman | and then what? might as well switch now :) |
| 17:54.36 | iluminator101 | all the programs that were in system --> administration is gone...how would reload all of them |
| 17:54.37 | ajavid | well yeah |
| 17:54.44 | ajavid | but by that time, kde4 hopefully will be stable/mature |
| 17:54.49 | deco | agree |
| 17:54.59 | jelly | or usable! |
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| 17:55.37 | jelly | and hardware will definitely improve in two years, so it won't matter you need a cpu with 4 cores and 36 jigahertz |
| 17:55.56 | ajavid | hehe |
| 17:56.04 | ajavid | no you only need 1.21 gigawatts |
| 17:56.11 | iluminator101 | where can i find the list of all the programs that come default in system administration in debian sqeeze |
| 17:56.11 | ajavid | and dual flux capacitor |
| 17:56.20 | ajavid | maye a quad flux capacitor. |
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| 17:56.32 | TbbW | i'm having issues with installing debian from an usb memorystick, it boots but wont find "Alternative ISO file from harddrive" |
| 17:56.40 | ajavid | iluminator101, system administration? uhm.. look in the aptitude gui, in the proper section |
| 17:56.51 | ajavid | iluminator101, browse rthrough it, however, what exactly are you looking for? |
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| 17:56.55 | ajavid | iluminator101, what tools? |
| 17:56.57 | jelly | thinks "su" and "vim" |
| 17:57.10 | sepult | why does allmodconf does not work with the kernel ? |
| 17:57.17 | fxiny | and a couple of magnetars to power the fans :P |
| 17:57.35 | sepult | i thought vesafb would be then automatically bound as a module |
| 17:57.38 | TbbW | i got four harddrives in it already that are thru my intel chipset set up as a raid 0+1 but i can see it scanning sda,sdb,sdc,sde witch worries me |
| 17:57.39 | jelly | sepult: it's a good question... for the kernel people |
| 17:57.40 | sepult | no, it's even not activated |
| 17:57.58 | sepult | and at_kbd i have to activate myself too |
| 17:58.13 | sepult | ok ext3 and ext2 and framebuffer too |
| 17:58.18 | sepult | gah |
| 17:58.43 | sepult | back in some days it would work without any such interventions though |
| 17:58.53 | iluminator101 | i am on gnome i just have firestarter synaptic and authorization, how would add back rest of the default programs that were there |
| 17:58.58 | ajavid | TbbW, alt+f2, go in, mount usb, find iso, mount iso loopback to the place where it would get mounted by deb, and continue install |
| 17:59.10 | ajavid | TbbW, is the the stable lenny installer? |
| 17:59.43 | ajavid | TbbW, it should be able to find it if you its in the root of your sub |
| 17:59.44 | ajavid | usb* |
| 18:00.11 | ajavid | (find and automount iso) |
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| 18:00.32 | TbbW | ajavid: it's the dpkg bot's instructions iwe followed: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 18:01.09 | deco | ajavid: the only thing i really hate in kde is konqueor :P |
| 18:01.11 | TbbW | i did the zcat boot.img.gz and then downloaded an amd64 netinst iso and put in the root of the usb drive |
| 18:01.24 | abrotman | TbbW: seems ike swraid .. not real raid |
| 18:01.39 | ajavid | deco, you are on crack my dear friend |
| 18:01.41 | iluminator101 | should i reinstall or....how do i findout what was there before |
| 18:01.48 | ajavid | deco, konq > * |
| 18:01.50 | TbbW | abrotman: mjeah that's why i sead thru my chipset :P |
| 18:01.55 | abrotman | iluminator101: how did oyu remove them ?> |
| 18:01.57 | deco | ajavid: you like it over iceweasel ? |
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| 18:02.05 | abrotman | TbbW: your chipset is the problem |
| 18:02.10 | ajavid | deco, no I use it as a universal file browser/manager |
| 18:02.18 | sepult | at least javascript works with iceweasel |
| 18:02.22 | sepult | not with konqueror |
| 18:02.23 | ajavid | deco, my fulltime www browser is icewease 3.0.11 (which I backported recently) |
| 18:02.26 | ajavid | and xul 1.9 |
| 18:02.34 | deco | ajavid: ah well yes its good for that but i mean as a web browser |
| 18:02.55 | ajavid | deco, I use it as a quick web browser for research, konq has lots of plugins that make life easy |
| 18:02.59 | TbbW | abrotman: and how do i get a full raid 1+0 or 0+1 raid without an expensive raid controller ? |
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| 18:03.00 | ajavid | I love konq |
| 18:03.08 | iluminator101 | i am not sure...i think i did apt-get autoremove |
| 18:03.33 | deco | ajavid: when you say backports you are getting packages from lenny unstabble ? |
| 18:03.44 | ajavid | deco, debian unstable, yes |
| 18:04.15 | deco | ajavid: so you just add debian unstable repository and just download what you need right? |
| 18:04.17 | ajavid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1M 2009-06-14 19:43 iceweasel_3.0.11-1_amd64.deb |
| 18:04.28 | ajavid | no |
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| 18:04.56 | ajavid | you add unstable deb-src, apt-get build-dep iceweasel; apt-get -b source iceweasel; sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 18:04.59 | ajavid | et. |
| 18:05.00 | ajavid | !tell deco -about ssb |
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| 18:05.17 | eshat | Hi all,... what is the QT Programm for scanning ? I mean a program that uses libksane ? xsane installs gimp and a lot of other GTK thinks. |
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| 18:05.35 | iluminator101 | can someone list whats in there administration section on gnome debian |
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| 18:05.50 | ajavid | deco, I'm not sure if backports.org has it, even if it does, I dont use it |
| 18:06.01 | TbbW | Mobo: Intel DG45FC | Cpu: Q8200S | HDD: 4x Samsung 320Gb <- this is my setup, into a small lil chassi that i want raid 0+1 or 1+0 the reson why i need to do usb install is coz of the limited SATA ports (i'm using them all so no place for CD/DVD) |
| 18:06.06 | ajavid | I tried a kernel .29 from bpo, had to compiled a custom one myself |
| 18:06.14 | ajavid | didn't like bpo thingy, something mising |
| 18:06.20 | ajavid | was unable to build modules |
| 18:06.27 | deco | ajavid: thanks, this is all new to me really |
| 18:06.38 | eshat | I am looking for the KDE 4 Scan Program ? |
| 18:06.42 | redpill | hello i'm having a problem with gpg error: have no public key for the assing verification with backports repository when i'm running the apt-get update command |
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| 18:06.49 | ajavid | eshat, not sure what its called |
| 18:06.58 | abrotman | TbbW: swraid |
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| 18:07.14 | abrotman | redpill: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 18:07.21 | ajavid | skanlite - KDE 4 image scanning application |
| 18:07.30 | ajavid | eshat, aptitude install skanlite |
| 18:07.33 | redpill | abrotman: i'll, ty |
| 18:07.45 | eshat | ajavid: It is not in sid |
| 18:07.51 | TbbW | abrotman: yeah? |
| 18:07.58 | abrotman | !tell TbbW about fakeraid |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | !tell TbbW about swraid |
| 18:08.01 | ajavid | judd versions skanlite |
| 18:08.01 | judd | ajavid: skanlite -- |
| 18:08.06 | abrotman | !tell TbbW about sata faq |
| 18:08.15 | ajavid | use something else in debian or grab it from kde-apps.org |
| 18:08.48 | iluminator101 | where can i find the list of all the programs that come default in system administration in debian squeeze |
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| 18:09.21 | ajavid | eshat, xsane - featureful graphical frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) |
| 18:09.36 | eshat | ajavid: it installs a lot of other GTK apps |
| 18:09.44 | ajavid | life's a bitch. |
| 18:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, sure it ain't scanner acces not easy? :-P |
| 18:09.59 | iluminator101 | permission to pm ajavid |
| 18:10.00 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, hehe |
| 18:10.12 | ajavid | iluminator101, uhm... no |
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| 18:10.24 | ajavid | iluminator101, ask in here, in #debian, ask everyone, and do not single me out please |
| 18:10.31 | TbbW | abrotman: but iwe seen debian working with some swraids, this chipset is even newer then those old hp laptops iwe looked at b4 |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | TbbW: and what? |
| 18:10.42 | ajavid | iluminator101, thank you very much for asking beforehand, I apprecaite it. |
| 18:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, 'ENOPM' |
| 18:10.49 | hans_ | hi. if i start konsole, i have sh as shell. i do want bash as shell. where do i find the config-file for that? |
| 18:10.59 | abrotman | iluminator101: using gnome ? |
| 18:11.07 | TbbW | abrotman: why use md ? |
| 18:11.17 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 18:11.17 | jelly | TbbW: while you can make debian work using dmraid, linux' own software raid is preferred |
| 18:11.19 | abrotman | because your 'raid' controller isn't really a raid controller |
| 18:11.26 | ajavid | hans_, konqolse menu settings > configure konsole > sessions |
| 18:11.28 | ajavid | somewhere in there |
| 18:11.29 | hans_ | ~/.kde/share/config/konsole does not seem the right place. |
| 18:11.37 | ajavid | hans_, you want the config file? |
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| 18:11.50 | abrotman | iluminator101: is 'gnome-system-tools' installed ? |
| 18:11.51 | ajavid | hans_, hm, dpkg -L console|grep rc ? |
| 18:12.16 | ajavid | hans_, ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole ? |
| 18:12.24 | ajavid | s/console/konsole |
| 18:12.25 | iluminator101 | abrotman:no |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | so try installing it |
| 18:12.36 | jelly | TbbW: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 18:12.46 | hans_ | ajavid: okay, lets try it with the menu |
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| 18:13.20 | hans_ | ajavid: i have in the field execute "bash" in session "Linux Console" |
| 18:13.32 | hans_ | ajavid: in the session "Shell" i do have sh |
| 18:13.32 | iluminator101 | abortman: what else do you have there |
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| 18:13.46 | YeTr2 | where could I find debian arm support? |
| 18:13.51 | eshat | quit |
| 18:13.53 | hans_ | ajavid: which session is started if i start konsole from a putty-window? |
| 18:13.58 | iluminator101 | abortman:installed gnome system tools |
| 18:14.18 | dmoerner | YeTr2, #debian-arm @ OFTC |
| 18:14.20 | redpill | how can i update from etch to lenny |
| 18:14.28 | dmoerner | redpill, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:15.23 | TbbW | thanks jelly *reads* |
| 18:15.28 | ajavid | hans_, whatever konsole is conf to |
| 18:15.42 | YeTr2 | dmoerner: right... bot auto-kicks peope out of that channel and sends to ##debian-arm which has noone in it |
| 18:15.52 | ajavid | hans_, I launch ssh -X blah@blah konsole ( when konsole pops up, it is using bash) |
| 18:16.15 | dmoerner | YeTr2, no, it does not. are you sure you're trying #debian-arm on oftc, not freenode? |
| 18:16.24 | YeTr2 | oh. |
| 18:16.31 | YeTr2 | .. irc address for oftc? |
| 18:16.36 | ajavid | irc.debian.org |
| 18:16.59 | hans_ | ajavid: that is the point, mine is using sh |
| 18:17.21 | ajavid | ask in #kde also |
| 18:17.27 | hans_ | ajavid: but i changed the "Shell" Session to use bash so it works. |
| 18:17.28 | deco | iluminator101: is your nick from the the similarion the book ? |
| 18:17.32 | ajavid | ask them why konsole refuses to use bash |
| 18:17.36 | hans_ | ajavid: thanks for your help. |
| 18:17.39 | ajavid | hans_, ok, so |
| 18:17.43 | ajavid | argh. :) ok |
| 18:18.17 | iluminator101 | no |
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| 18:19.22 | hans_ | thx, bye |
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| 18:19.37 | abrotman | iluminator101: did you logout/login ? |
| 18:20.10 | deco | ajavid:so packages that have not been backported have to be compiled from source ? |
| 18:20.26 | ajavid | yes |
| 18:20.56 | ajavid | deco, what are you looking for?> |
| 18:21.46 | deco | ajavid: when we were talking about iceweasel you said you compiled the lastes one so i was just wondering why compile but now i understand |
| 18:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | disturbedmime, make up your mind! |
| 18:21.57 | ajavid | oh ok |
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| 18:22.13 | ajavid | yeh, I have yet to setup a 32bit sid chroot so I can build some stuff |
| 18:22.21 | ajavid | so I'm not really messing with new software as much |
| 18:22.36 | ajavid | after it get my chroto setup and inntegrated in my debian stabl, I'll be alright |
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| 18:22.51 | deco | ajavid: you its not safe to just add the sid repo and start downloading ? |
| 18:22.57 | deco | so its not safe* |
| 18:23.01 | ajavid | ABSOLUTELY NOT! |
| 18:23.03 | ajavid | dun dun dun! |
| 18:23.12 | deco | ajavid: depandency issues ? |
| 18:23.13 | disturbedmime | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, trying to make an alt nick |
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| 18:23.18 | ajavid | deco, lots of issues. |
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| 18:23.26 | mesa_booger | warning radiation alert ! |
| 18:23.44 | deco | ajavid: and compiling does not cause this issues ? |
| 18:23.51 | PointMan | does the md partitions die if you kill the mdadm process? |
| 18:23.54 | TbbW | in the debian usb install ( http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 ) i see that the usb stick is mounted at /hd-media but the installer when it tryes to load or scan for the iso cant be found |
| 18:24.00 | ajavid | deco, uhm, ackporting doesn't |
| 18:24.00 | PointMan | well do they become unaccisable? |
| 18:24.08 | ajavid | deco, /msg dpkg backport |
| 18:24.15 | TbbW | the iso is named debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:24.25 | deco | ajavid: ok nevermidn i got it :P just answered my own question |
| 18:25.25 | PointMan | how do I make the mdadm utility reload its configuration files? |
| 18:25.31 | deco | ajavid: so when something is backported , that package was made safe to be installed in lenny and if its not backport , one has to compile it from source basically right? |
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| 18:26.21 | ajavid | deco, yes. Official backports are usually done by a number of debian developers are are fairly safe to use. When backproting yourself, obviously you run a risk if something goes wrong, because you don't know enough |
| 18:27.06 | ajavid | deco, if it is availalble in debian, try to find it on backports.org or lenny-backport whatever. if backport doesn't work, only then try to build directly from upstream sources |
| 18:27.25 | ajavid | the deb-src package quality is very good, and they have usually no trouble building/backporting on stable |
| 18:27.33 | deco | ajavid: oh ok it all makes sence now , happy debian user now:P :-) |
| 18:28.15 | ajavid | deco, if not on backports.org try ackporting yourself, if all backporting fails, then you can try to build from upstream sources |
| 18:28.18 | ajavid | (thats what I meant to say) |
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| 18:28.37 | deco | ajavid: how does one backport somethign himself ? |
| 18:28.55 | ajavid | deco, /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:29.21 | ajavid | backporting is easy, actualy |
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| 18:29.41 | ajavid | but it gets highly complicated the more dependencies are involved |
| 18:29.44 | deco | ajavid: its just adding the sid source and compiling righ? that's what the bot keeps telling me |
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| 18:30.05 | ajavid | for example, backporting iceweasel 3.0.11 on stable is easy, but you also have to backport xulrunner1.9 |
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| 18:30.31 | ajavid | without which it doesn't work |
| 18:30.57 | ajavid | so it can get fairly complicated depending on exactly what you want to backport, but for the most part, simple little packags are usually easy |
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| 18:31.06 | deco | ajavid: when you say if all fails you must bulid upstream you mean you have to download the sources from lets say for gnome . their website ? |
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| 18:31.21 | ajavid | I didn't say 'must', I said you 'can' |
| 18:31.46 | ajavid | upstream source == source directly from the author etc. |
| 18:32.03 | deco | ajavid: yeah |
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| 18:34.00 | ajavid | im hungry |
| 18:34.04 | ajavid | bbl |
| 18:34.45 | luckylucy | i rebooted my debian box after installing a raid controller and two drives and now it goes into intramfs...how do i get this to stop and just boot? |
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| 18:35.22 | bzrk | luckylucy: did you include the drivers for the raidcontroller in the initrd? |
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| 18:35.50 | luckylucy | no, haven't done anything software yet. |
| 18:36.17 | luckylucy | shutdown, put in the drives and card, turned on, thats it. |
| 18:36.29 | bzrk | luckylucy: oh then i misunderstood it sounded like you installed debian already |
| 18:36.46 | bzrk | luckylucy: then its probably the order of the drives on boot being broken |
| 18:36.59 | luckylucy | how to fix? |
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| 18:37.17 | bzrk | luckylucy: edit grub menu.lst would be my first try |
| 18:37.34 | luckylucy | i went to boot menu at start, chose to boot from the old drive, nothing should have changed right? |
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| 18:37.56 | bzrk | luckylucy: probably sda was the boot drive before and now sda is the first drive on the new controller |
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| 18:38.19 | gandhijee | hello all |
| 18:38.52 | luckylucy | i went to boot menu at start, chose to boot from the old drive, nothing should have changed right? |
| 18:38.53 | gandhijee | could someone please help me with udev rules? i have written a rule that should make the system ignore the device plugged in |
| 18:38.55 | bzrk | luckylucy: you can edit edit the grub boot entry on booting from something like hd0,0 to hd2,0 |
| 18:38.58 | gandhijee | but it doesn't seem tow ork |
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| 18:40.15 | luckylucy | how do i get there from initramfs |
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| 18:41.57 | iluminator101 | whats the graphical logon tool called in debian |
| 18:42.44 | jeffrin | wdm xdm gdm kdm |
| 18:42.46 | jeffrin | display manager |
| 18:42.49 | ktlr | how can i see the kernel image whats gcc use when it was compiled ? |
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| 18:43.20 | iluminator101 | ah thanks |
| 18:43.40 | justin | ktlr: /proc/version |
| 18:44.33 | ktlr | ahh thx i tried it uname but i didnt find option that tell me which gcc use it when it was compiled :) |
| 18:44.34 | jeffrin | justin : that is the current one and may not be the one that was used right ? |
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| 18:45.23 | justin | jeffrin: no, that is the one used to compile the running kernel |
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| 18:46.38 | lexoplex | How can I display which (point) release a certain installation is at? |
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| 18:47.03 | khaije|amalt | i'm trying to tar may dotfiles in my /home using tar -cf home-dotfiles .* but it keeps selecting all the files in he directory, how do i account for this? |
| 18:47.04 | luckylucy | how do i get this to boot again??? grub loading, please wait....Error 15 and then nothing. now what? |
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| 18:47.50 | lexoplex | e.g. I'm looking for a file like /etc/RELEASE (only that doesn't exist) that just contains 4.0r8, in my case |
| 18:47.54 | ksnp | anyone try the ddclient with ssl, i get an error saying the following (I do have ssl package installed) : |
| 18:47.55 | ksnp | socket: IO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) |
| 18:48.06 | mesa_booger | khaije1: .* is wrong. use .[!.]* |
| 18:48.07 | ksnp | can anyone help how to fix this ? |
| 18:48.41 | c0m1 | hi. Can anyone tell me how to configure the git-daemon? I understand it is possible to specify a root directory for the server so code is published via the git-protocol, but don't know how to do it. |
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| 18:48.49 | mesa_booger | khaije1: i meant khaije|amalt |
| 18:48.54 | mesa_booger | ^^ |
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| 18:49.34 | khaije|amalt | i saw, thx mesa_booger but wth does that statement say? |
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| 18:49.58 | mesa_booger | khaije|amalt: it says anything but . and .. |
| 18:50.07 | mesa_booger | that starts with . |
| 18:50.38 | mesa_booger | cos .* matches . and .. which isn't what you want |
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| 18:50.44 | khaije|amalt | right |
| 18:51.40 | khaije|amalt | i would read that statement to say anything with a leading '.' excluding anything with two leading dots... |
| 18:52.07 | mesa_booger | khaije|amalt: not quite. it needs at least 2 chars |
| 18:52.24 | mesa_booger | cos [!.] matches a single char, that is not . |
| 18:52.30 | khaije|amalt | what would the statement i said look like? |
| 18:52.55 | mesa_booger | now you're asking :) |
| 18:53.33 | justin | mesa_booger: didn't we go over this yesterday? |
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| 18:53.39 | mesa_booger | whereas * can match 0 chars |
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| 18:53.47 | ksnp | anyone try the ddclient with ssl, i get an error saying the following (I do have ssl package installed) : |
| 18:53.48 | ksnp | socket: IO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) |
| 18:53.49 | ksnp | can anyone help how to fix this ? |
| 18:54.15 | justin | i'd just use find -maxdepth 1 -name '.*' -type f and then pass that to tar as the input list |
| 18:54.18 | mesa_booger | justin: er no. not really. shopt would match all the regular stuff too |
| 18:54.35 | justin | though I guess that would miss .gnome etc |
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| 18:54.44 | justin | ~/.config FTW |
| 18:55.49 | mesa_booger | .[!.]* is correct. or even .[^.]* |
| 18:55.49 | justin | i think in zsh you could also do something like .*^.. |
| 18:55.50 | justin | i forget teh syntax for that though |
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| 18:56.43 | justin | oh. it would be like .*~. |
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| 18:57.26 | justin | it is kind of an obscure feature, I used to use it for things but not in years |
| 18:57.27 | khaije|amalt | mesa_booger: the statement .[!.]* is a sequence though isn't it? saying 1)something with ^. then second character !='.', then 0 or more any's |
| 18:57.51 | mesa_booger | i might be an argumentative so-and-so, but i do occasionally get it right :) |
| 18:58.34 | sepult | something nothing anything |
| 18:58.47 | mesa_booger | khaije|amalt: yeah that's more or less right. don't forget these are file globs, not regexes tho ... |
| 18:59.05 | khaije|amalt | mesa_booger: my undoing is mixing them up |
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| 19:03.24 | jatbreakset | anyone know if you hit ctrl+c before an "rm -rf" finishes on a directory if that stops it from deleting anything? like does it have to complete before it actually unlinks the files? |
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| 19:03.43 | \amethyst | jatbreakset: no |
| 19:03.51 | \amethyst | jatbreakset: it will have deleted some but not all of the files |
| 19:03.54 | RichiH | it stops deleting where it stops |
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| 19:04.37 | jatbreakset | that's what I thought but I can't find anything actually missing from the directory that I mistakenly did that on, I guess I'll keep poking at it |
| 19:04.39 | sepult | it does not protocol what it did |
| 19:04.40 | jatbreakset | thanks |
| 19:05.08 | sepult | and there's not playback option |
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| 19:05.52 | mischief | jatbreakset, alias rm='rm -i' :p |
| 19:06.20 | jatbreakset | mischief: hah! yeah I'm feeling pretty uber noob this afternoon, it was all going so well... |
| 19:06.35 | pengpbum | wie gehirntot |
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| 19:07.02 | xingu | jatbreakset: linux is world-beating in the "how quickly can we remove files" benchmark. |
| 19:07.22 | xingu | jatbreakset: circa 2.6.2mumble that case was specifically optimised. |
| 19:07.43 | v4nelle | trwei golden grahams sketa :) |
| 19:07.45 | jatbreakset | xingu: also in the "how hard can we make it to undelete files" process benchmark :) |
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| 19:08.06 | jatbreakset | testdisk seems to be the most straightforward of the options and I know it well from doing Windows recovery |
| 19:08.16 | xingu | jatbreakset: http://www.nilfs.org/en/ |
| 19:08.33 | jatbreakset | you'd think at least a little bit of rollback on that kind of typo would be handy. tab autocomplete bit me :| |
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| 19:09.41 | mischief | there's always chattr +s, then you've no hope of getting your stuff back :p |
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| 19:09.54 | roll | hi there, I've just installed debian5 on asus dsan-dx board with lsi megaraid controller. Two sata drives are configured as 1 volume, but I see them as separate volumes in /dev. Are there additional kernel modules that I have to add? |
| 19:09.56 | jatbreakset | xingu: could you contrast that to using something like rsnapshot or the logging feature of e2undel? |
| 19:10.05 | xingu | jatbreakset: "continuous" |
| 19:11.03 | justin | roll: are you sure the drives are connected to the raid controller? |
| 19:11.06 | adama_ | roll: you need dmraid I believe |
| 19:11.07 | jatbreakset | xingu: yeah I'd gathered that over rsnapshot, looks about as same for my needs now as the e2undel logging/restoration functionality... less of a hack though from the looks :) |
| 19:11.51 | roll | yes justin they are reported as online. thanks adama_ I'll try the dmraid |
| 19:12.26 | justin | roll: odd, I didnt think any megaraid controllers would do something like that.. all the megaraid stuff I have is 'real' raid |
| 19:12.59 | adama_ | yes dmraid is for fake raid - /msg dpkg fakeraid |
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| 19:15.01 | roll | justin: i think my raid is sw raid, so yes, dmraid looks the real for the fakes :) thanks adama_ |
| 19:15.17 | justin | roll: odd, I didn't think megaraid was fakeraid |
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| 19:19.37 | xbj_A21m | hi |
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| 19:20.20 | xbj_A21m | I'm installing on a 120mhz 586 and everytime it does 'building dependency tree', it takes an hour or more for that step |
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| 19:20.46 | roll | justin: I'll tell you tomorrow which one it was |
| 19:21.49 | slayton | is frankie around? |
| 19:22.00 | xbj_A21m | does anyone know why, or ho wI could speed that up? |
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| 19:23.00 | abrotman | xbj_A21m: probably more RAM |
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| 19:23.11 | jatbreakset | hmmm, one more dumb ? does rm -rf follow symlinks by default? e.g. |
| 19:23.53 | jatbreakset | if I rm -rf /home/user which has a symlink called "else" to "/somewhere/else" do the files in "/somewhere/else" go away? |
| 19:23.58 | jatbreakset | I'm not seeing it in the docs for rm |
| 19:24.01 | \amethyst | jatbreakset: no |
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| 19:24.15 | jatbreakset | \amethyst: I didn't think it did, thanks for the confirm |
| 19:24.25 | roll | do you suggest to use linux software raid instead of fakeraid? I'm reading the article about the fakeraid, and they suggest to use mdadm package. any ideas? |
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| 19:24.38 | \amethyst | jatbreakset: I'm not seeing it in the GNU documentation, but it's specified that way in Posix |
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| 19:26.44 | sloin | hey, does anybody know what might be the reason that 22" external LCD on my laptop over Intel 945GM doesn't support higher resolution than 1280x1024 ? |
| 19:27.02 | slayton | sloin, xorg.conf? |
| 19:27.05 | dmoerner | sloin, maybe you need to set Virtual 2048 2048 or something like that in xorg.conf |
| 19:27.07 | roll | ok, I got it. msg dpkg fakeraid explained it |
| 19:27.52 | sloin | http://pastebin.ca/1462493 |
| 19:28.30 | sloin | there is nothing in logs, but it stays on 1280x1024 even though I set it for 1600 |
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| 19:29.39 | sloin | and I tried the virtual screen set to 2880 1280 as well |
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| 19:30.16 | Phlogi | nidias: fts |
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| 19:35.15 | marko90 | hi, guys! could you please name some software like Norton Ghost for debian? |
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| 19:36.04 | sloin | or is there a way to restart the X server without having to restart entire X session ? |
| 19:36.47 | dkr | marko90: cp |
| 19:37.03 | dkr | marko90: dd |
| 19:37.04 | petemc | marko90: partimage |
| 19:37.30 | nkuttler | sloin: erm, no. there's xnest though |
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| 19:38.19 | marko90 | petemc: have you used it? |
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| 19:38.51 | marko90 | petemc: it's just 0.6.7 |
| 19:39.23 | mns | I've got a Debian/testing laptop. I need to access a common drive on a central Windows based server. How would I go about it so I can read/write to that shared drive ? |
| 19:39.24 | petemc | ive looked at it, havent used it in anger |
| 19:39.52 | petemc | mns: google for mount cifs |
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| 19:40.42 | mns | petemc: thanks. |
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| 19:41.48 | dkr | !tell mns about smbmount |
| 19:42.00 | dkr | why google when dpkg knows all? ;-) |
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| 19:47.10 | marko90 | petemc: thanks, i'm gonna use partimage |
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| 19:47.41 | marko90 | i'll tell you if i succeed :) |
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| 19:58.35 | DeSian | if you install apps with .sh file, how can you purge it? |
| 19:58.42 | PointMan | um why do I have a 127.0.1.1 in lenny in my /etc/hosts ? |
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| 19:58.57 | slayton | DeSian, hopefully the .sh file has an equivalent uninstall command |
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| 19:59.13 | slayton | DeSian, otherwise you have to read the .sh file and see what it did and then reverse the changes your self |
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| 19:59.32 | DeSian | slayton: yes |
| 19:59.43 | dkr | or install a program that watches what something installs |
| 19:59.44 | CalJohn | If I'm logging to syslog USER, where should the messages come out? |
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| 20:00.03 | slayton | DeSian, yes what? |
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| 20:00.28 | patrikf | CalJohn: wherever you have configured it to go in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 20:00.33 | DeSian | slaytanic: yes for the info :) |
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| 20:01.47 | dirkson | Hey all. How do I tell debian, "No, SERIOUSLY debian, remove the package, don't just make errors" |
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| 20:02.11 | memnon | dirkson: ? what errors? |
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| 20:02.28 | CalJohn | patrikf: is just that my info messages don't appear, only warnings and above |
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| 20:02.43 | HuegPneis | hai guise |
| 20:02.48 | dirkson | memnon: It won't remove wx2.8-headers, it complains about python. I do not care a lick about python on this box, I just want the package gone. |
| 20:02.54 | HuegPneis | wut up niggas? |
| 20:03.09 | CalJohn | patrikf: I mean, in /var/log/user.log |
| 20:03.11 | patrikf | !ops offensive nick there... |
| 20:03.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: patrikf complains about: offensive nick there... |
| 20:03.19 | HuegPneis | offensive nick? |
| 20:03.24 | RichiH | yes |
| 20:03.28 | RichiH | :) |
| 20:03.53 | dirkson | memnon: http://pastebin.com/m1ea35669 - If you must know its exact petulant whinings. |
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| 20:04.06 | patrikf | (one more proof that the human brain doesn't need letters to be in correct order. heh.) |
| 20:04.08 | memnon | has a look ... |
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| 20:04.27 | RichiH | patrikf: heh |
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| 20:04.31 | dmoerner | odd, wonder why Maulkin is listed twice in the ops factoid... |
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| 20:04.34 | RichiH | patrikf: in any case, thanks |
| 20:04.47 | abrotman | dmoerner: super cow powers |
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| 20:05.27 | patrikf | I'm surprised that ): is a possible nick here. or is it? |
| 20:05.33 | DeSian | !tell Amanj_ about debian |
| 20:05.41 | memnon | Uff, I never had such an error :( |
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| 20:06.20 | memnon | dirkson: unstable? |
| 20:06.29 | dirkson | memnon: etch, I believe. |
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| 20:06.49 | dirkson | memnon: Ah, wrong. Squeeze. |
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| 20:07.36 | DeSian | slayton: thnx, found it, was installed in /usr/local with unistall.sh file ;) |
| 20:07.41 | Amanj_ | thank you DeSian |
| 20:07.54 | slayton | DeSian, no problem |
| 20:08.06 | Agiofws | have a dual head display this is my xorg conf http://pastebin.ca/1462532 all is fine but i can't drag windows from one screen to the other can anyone help me a little ? |
| 20:08.07 | memnon | dirkson: Okay, testing. This should imho not happen. What do you |
| 20:08.07 | memnon | guys think? Worth a bugreport? Or am I missing something? |
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| 20:08.53 | slayton | memnon, file the bug report, it doesn't hurt anybody and costs you only a few minutes |
| 20:08.53 | DeSian | IT-zana-IT: welcome to debian/Linux world |
| 20:09.01 | dirkson | memnon: Oh, it's probably my fault at some point. I've been mucking around trying futilely to make wxwidgets work how a program wants it. |
| 20:09.02 | slayton | if its not a real bug no harm done |
| 20:09.18 | IT-zana-IT | heloo |
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| 20:09.25 | designs703 | Hi everyone...I can't get MySQL to start, and I'm not sure why. Running the init.d script just fails. Is there a --verbose mode for init.d scripts so I can figure out what's going on? And any ideas? |
| 20:09.35 | DeSian | !tell IT-zana-IT about lenny |
| 20:09.51 | slayton | designs703, you can read the script to see what options it supports |
| 20:09.58 | cobra-the-joker | is watching bigBuckBunny |
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| 20:10.37 | slayton | designs703, AFAIK most demean scripts are designed to not output text as they aren't attached to terminals |
| 20:10.37 | marko90 | hi, again! have anyone tried to use enlightenment de for debian? |
| 20:10.43 | marko90 | how is it? |
| 20:10.55 | memnon | de? |
| 20:10.58 | mischief | what is the best package caching software right now? i'm using apt-proxy but it doesn't seem to be working, and quite dated |
| 20:10.59 | designs703 | hm |
| 20:11.13 | marko90 | destop environment |
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| 20:11.29 | patrikf | mischief: apt-cacher works fine here |
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| 20:11.45 | Nightchill | where can i get hold of catalyst9.3 package? |
| 20:11.46 | memnon | I know. But enlightenment a de? Last time I used it, it was the |
| 20:11.46 | memnon | latest fancy wm around, but that was, mhhh, 2001? |
| 20:11.49 | mischief | alright, i read about that one too patrikf, i'll try it =) |
| 20:11.50 | dirkson | memnon: So more importantly, how do I get the damn package out of my system? |
| 20:12.18 | patrikf | dirkson: if you're running unstable, you're supposed to know that / figure it out on your own |
| 20:12.35 | patrikf | dpkg can do that, hint hint |
| 20:12.36 | dpkg | patrikf: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:12.37 | dirkson | patrikf: Not running unstable. |
| 20:12.49 | Nightchill | actually is there some sort of debian rollback repository? |
| 20:12.55 | patrikf | dirkson: er, then read only the "hint hint" line ;-) |
| 20:13.09 | memnon | dirkson: aptitude remove/purge does not work ... What about dpkg -r? |
| 20:13.12 | Tramp | designs703: sh -x /etc/init.d/foo start - may help |
| 20:13.33 | dirkson | memnon: None of those work |
| 20:13.38 | dirkson | memnon: Same errors |
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| 20:15.06 | mischief | patrikf, are you using apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng |
| 20:15.19 | simNIX | prefers debmirror |
| 20:15.26 | dirkson | memnon: And I'm unable to find any useful "actually remove the package" options in dpkg, like patrikf was suggesting. |
| 20:15.29 | marko90 | memnon, maybe it's wm... |
| 20:15.30 | memnon | Okay, so the package is *really* broken. No idea, maybe you have to |
| 20:15.31 | memnon | do everything manually? I would send a bugreport, I doubt you tweaked |
| 20:15.31 | memnon | the installed package so much... |
| 20:15.36 | designs703 | I've removed all MySQL packages, but a number are still showing up in dpkg -l. Is that list of packages cached or something? |
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| 20:15.44 | patrikf | mischief: apt-cacher, but the -ng description suggests it's better. |
| 20:16.00 | mischief | patrikf, alright, i'll try -ng |
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| 20:17.14 | memnon | dirkson: dpkg --force? |
| 20:17.31 | Shadowcat | TuRKceLL == onjoin spam |
| 20:17.44 | kroddnoMobil | TuRKceLL spams porn links |
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| 20:18.05 | stew | Shadowcat: kroddnoMobil: thanks. |
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| 20:18.07 | dirkson | memnon: Yeah, I'm reading that. None seem to apply |
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| 20:18.36 | designs703 | so why would a package show up in dpkg -l once it's been removed? |
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| 20:19.19 | \amethyst | designs703: removed but unpurged packages still show up in dpkg's list |
| 20:19.26 | memnon | dirkson: dpkg -r --force-all xyz. But I would *not* dare to break my system. |
| 20:19.27 | designs703 | ah, so that's what "rc" means |
| 20:19.39 | dirkson | memnon: patrikf: dpkg --force-all -r wx2.8-headers - Fails with the same exact error message |
| 20:19.41 | designs703 | \amethyst, so how do I purge? |
| 20:19.42 | \amethyst | designs703: r means selected for removal, c means config-files-only |
| 20:20.18 | \amethyst | designs703: apt-get purge blah or dpkg purge blah or apt-get --purge remove blah |
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| 20:20.29 | memnon | dirkson: no idea. maybe try to ask on the mailinglist? |
| 20:20.30 | designs703 | \amethyst, great, thanks |
| 20:20.31 | patrikf | dirkson: eww |
| 20:20.43 | patrikf | dirkson: you should *definitely* file a bug, if you haven't done so yet |
| 20:21.03 | dirkson | patrikf: Whether I file one or not, doesn't help me here :D |
| 20:21.11 | patrikf | dirkson: you absolutely need to remove that package? |
| 20:21.17 | memnon | dirkson: helps you, helps others! |
| 20:21.21 | dirkson | patrikf: Yes. It must die. |
| 20:21.29 | memnon | but not at once :( |
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| 20:22.24 | dirkson | memnon: Yes, but I can't prove my current problems weren't caused by the wx-widgets repository I used. Theoretically, I'm not using it now... |
| 20:22.54 | dirkson | :q |
| 20:22.55 | patrikf | dirkson: you could try editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/$PACKAGE.{prerm,postrm}. but you should really know what you're doing |
| 20:22.56 | dirkson | Sorry. |
| 20:22.58 | Nightchill | can someone help me please, where can i find old catalyst? 9.3 or 9.2 |
| 20:23.02 | Shadowcat | did you guys ban Lamontx? |
| 20:23.11 | dirkson | patrikf: Yeah, that's what I was starting to think myself |
| 20:23.13 | patrikf | dirkson: or you could probably also add some Python-Version field there to make pycentral happy |
| 20:23.14 | Shadowcat | because he's msging me in private |
| 20:23.22 | Shadowcat | Lamontx: don't message me |
| 20:23.24 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 20:23.27 | Shadowcat | or I'll add you to ignore |
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| 20:24.33 | patrikf | dirkson: you could also temporarily downgrade python-central, I guess. |
| 20:25.04 | dirkson | patrikf: I really don't think this package should be mucking with python. Perhaps I'm wrong about what this package is. |
| 20:25.30 | dirkson | patrikf: Yeah, these are C++ bindings. |
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| 20:26.06 | patrikf | dirkson: indeed. that just makes it even weirder. |
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| 20:27.06 | patrikf | dirkson: what version of the package is this? |
| 20:27.18 | patrikf | 2.8.7.1-1.1? |
| 20:27.58 | dirkson | patrikf: Version: 2.8.10.1-0 |
| 20:27.59 | dirkson | Config-Version: 2.8.7.1-1.1 |
| 20:28.21 | dirkson | patrikf: That hints at me that my problems are likely caused by the official wx repo, rather than the debian repos. |
| 20:28.41 | patrikf | dirkson: oh. |
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| 20:29.31 | dirkson | has made the package die ^.^ |
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| 20:30.15 | patrikf | Lamontx: I'm from Austria. And please don't send private messages to people without explicit or implicit permission. |
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| 20:31.22 | dirkson | patrikf: I've always wondered why people hated private messages so much. Does it have something to do with the way your client displays them? |
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| 20:31.53 | patrikf | dirkson: I don't hate them when I get them from people I know |
| 20:31.58 | abrotman | all of ice.net is banned |
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| 20:32.33 | dirkson | patrikf: Well, spam is spam, I suppose. |
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| 20:33.00 | abrotman | bah |
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| 20:33.09 | abrotman | Lamontx: can you speak now? |
| 20:33.25 | Lamontx | Check1 |
| 20:33.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:33.37 | Lamontx | Seems ok, why a ban ? |
| 20:34.04 | abrotman | It wasn't just you |
| 20:34.04 | Lamontx | Ok |
| 20:34.20 | Nightchill | What do i need to get glxinfo ? |
| 20:34.21 | sdd-dlt | Hi all. What would be the best way to delete unused kernel modules (to save space)? Can I just delete them or is there a "Debian" way to do this? |
| 20:34.25 | abrotman | Nightchill: mesa-utils |
| 20:34.32 | Nightchill | abrotman: thanks, |
| 20:34.41 | azeem | sdd-dlt: there's no Debian way |
| 20:35.01 | Nightchill | abrotman: Package mesa-utils is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:35.17 | abrotman | Nightchill: using Lenny? |
| 20:35.21 | Nightchill | yes |
| 20:35.29 | abrotman | put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a paste.debian.net |
| 20:36.04 | sdd-dlt | azeem: thanks! |
| 20:36.11 | Nightchill | abrotman: http://pastie.org/514239 |
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| 20:36.17 | Nightchill | i'm supporting pastie... archlinux habit :D |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | Nightchill: you have no main source .. what's your geographical location? |
| 20:36.33 | Nightchill | croatia |
| 20:37.16 | abrotman | deb http://debian.iskon.hr/debian lenny main |
| 20:37.29 | abrotman | add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. aptitude update && aptitude install mesa-utils |
| 20:37.48 | ajavid | btw, whats the fastest mirror for southern usa? like in Louisiana/Texas area? |
| 20:38.00 | ajavid | I tried apt-spy but it doesn't build an accurate report afaict |
| 20:38.06 | simNIX | ajavid, try apt-spy |
| 20:38.12 | simNIX | ok |
| 20:38.22 | Nightchill | abrotman: do you know where/if i can find old catalyst deb package. |
| 20:38.30 | abrotman | Nightchill: the fglrx stuff ? |
| 20:38.33 | Nightchill | yep |
| 20:38.36 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 20:38.36 | Nightchill | precisely 9.2 |
| 20:38.40 | Nightchill | or 9.3 |
| 20:38.41 | abrotman | maybe ask #ati .. i honestly don't know .. |
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| 20:39.02 | Nightchill | #ati is dead =/ |
| 20:39.04 | Nightchill | cookie:~# glxinfo |
| 20:39.04 | Nightchill | Error: unable to open display |
| 20:39.06 | Nightchill | ? |
| 20:39.11 | abrotman | Nightchill: don't run it as root |
| 20:39.26 | Nightchill | got stuck in a terminal just noticed |
| 20:39.42 | Nightchill | nice, i have direct rendering |
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| 20:39.59 | nsadmin | Nightchill: "?" is normally preceeded with a sicco (Specific Informative Concise Complete On-topic) question. |
| 20:40.12 | Nightchill | nsadmin: ? |
| 20:40.34 | nsadmin | I will normally not respond except to say that when I see that |
| 20:40.47 | Nightchill | isn't my question on if i can get old deb packages valid and on topic? |
| 20:41.05 | abrotman | Nightchill: the version of fglrx in lenny is what you have .. what's wrong with that one ? |
| 20:41.27 | Nightchill | abrotman: the version in lenny is 9.3? |
| 20:41.38 | Nightchill | i doubt it^ |
| 20:41.49 | abrotman | it's 8.x |
| 20:41.57 | Nightchill | and it's wrong because i have R300 which is not supported by newer catalyst |
| 20:42.02 | nsadmin | just consider that much. if you want to be more social and approach half way, people will RUN to help you, because in part they want to be social too |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | Nightchill: your card is supported by the 'radeon' driver i believe |
| 20:42.24 | abrotman | thinks nsadmin isn't making sense |
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| 20:42.53 | Nightchill | abrotman: true, but i really need older fglrx on debian to test something, otherwise i'd test it on archlinux :) |
| 20:43.20 | abrotman | but 9.3 is newer than what's in lenny .. squeeze has 9.2 and sid has 9.5 AFAICT |
| 20:43.27 | sepult | si he ententido bien |
| 20:43.30 | nsadmin | abrotman: what would you rather do? (a) have a conversation with someone where both parties are contributing to the discussion, or help someone who only pulls and doesn't supply anything? |
| 20:43.44 | nsadmin | latter after "or" is (b) |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | sepult: english please |
| 20:43.55 | Nightchill | nsadmin: what's the problem? i supplied decent question |
| 20:44.03 | abrotman | nsadmin: isn't that usually how it works here :) |
| 20:44.17 | nsadmin | yes it is, and it frustrates the hell out of me |
| 20:44.37 | abrotman | Nightchill: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/previous/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx ... which version are you looking for? |
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| 20:45.09 | Nightchill | 9.2 or 9.3, all the same |
| 20:45.19 | BCM43 | any body have a clue why alt+p does not work for me on scrotwm? |
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| 20:45.22 | dkr | nsadmin: being social is overrated, we just like solving problems. :) |
| 20:45.26 | Nightchill | but ati drivers from ati page are a shitstorm |
| 20:45.28 | nsadmin | Nightchill: whenever I see a ? without a question in english, I don't see a two-sided conversation, therefore I don't see comfort |
| 20:45.43 | Nightchill | nsadmin: please paste me that question i made |
| 20:45.47 | dkr | nsadmin: ? |
| 20:45.48 | Lamontx | My treat to some of the worlds finest: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/Music |
| 20:45.56 | abrotman | Lamontx: don't spam here |
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| 20:46.10 | nsadmin | <Nightchill> ? |
| 20:46.10 | sepult | en fin, no se que decirte |
| 20:46.13 | abrotman | Nightchill: you can try to use the squeeze fglrx-source packages .. no guarantees |
| 20:46.17 | nsadmin | there :) |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | sepult: english please |
| 20:46.50 | Nightchill | nsadmin: you started making fuss about me before that line, your 'being social' thesis was preceded by my question mark, and my question mark was there to show that i'm confused with why are you bitching |
| 20:46.54 | sepult | se a que atenerme |
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| 20:47.04 | nsadmin | no, I said nothing before that line |
| 20:47.08 | nsadmin | check your logs |
| 20:47.13 | abrotman | that's what i get for making an exception |
| 20:47.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: Nightchill: please drop it |
| 20:47.50 | Nightchill | nsadmin: ah that. it was just '?' after that paste, it pasted in new line automatically |
| 20:48.13 | nsadmin | final point: if you meet halfway, you get motivated helplers |
| 20:48.42 | mischief | anyone here use apt-cacher(-ng)? |
| 20:48.43 | Nightchill | nsadmin: we were 'solving' my problem before you came in the conversation |
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| 20:49.18 | nsadmin | I've been asked to drop this, and I'm doing that |
| 20:49.22 | dkr | uh-oh, looks like we have some "last worders" |
| 20:49.22 | Nightchill | abrotman: i'm not familiar with that squeeze. and what's the name of catalyst package in debian repo? i did aptitude search catalyst but found only some libs/extra modules. non-related. |
| 20:49.42 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx-source |
| 20:51.29 | designs703 | OK, how can I remove anything having to do with mysql on my machine? I'm thinking specifically of config files |
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| 20:51.56 | phillipsm | apt-remove purge? ^ |
| 20:51.58 | Nightchill | abrotman: well in packages.debian.org i can only find r5xx and newer cards |
| 20:52.17 | Nightchill | abrotman: and i'm trying to desperately get fglrx on my old, r300 |
| 20:52.22 | miniBill | in which package is "less" command? |
| 20:52.34 | designs703 | phillipsm, and what if I'm stuck on Ubuntu? |
| 20:52.56 | phillipsm | sudo apt-remove purge |
| 20:52.58 | krushik | miniBill, less?) |
| 20:53.22 | Nightchill | abrotman: isn't there some sort of rollback repository with old packages for debian? |
| 20:53.22 | miniBill | krushik: yeah :| just realized |
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| 20:53.42 | designs703 | phillipsm, haha, apt-remove is not a command |
| 20:54.03 | designs703 | but you're right, sudo is involved |
| 20:54.57 | phillipsm | apt-get purge <package name> |
| 20:55.05 | phillipsm | with sudo^ |
| 20:55.22 | designs703 | phillipsm, got it, thanks. weird thing is that didn't do it, so I just manually deleted the /etc stuff |
| 20:55.44 | phillipsm | yeah it says in the man page that purge is identical to remove but will get rid of configs too |
| 20:56.16 | phillipsm | lol be careful doing that you might break something... |
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| 20:57.18 | \amethyst | designs703: if you remove the stuff by hand, it will stay removed if you later reinstall the package; if you purge, they will be reinstalled when you reinstall the package |
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| 20:57.58 | designs703 | \amethyst, yea, found that out. I had to re-reinstall the mysql stuff, then purge, then reinstall to get mysql finally working |
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| 20:58.18 | Raydiation | is there something like rpms delta packages available for apt? |
| 20:58.29 | m_dige | hi guys. I am running testing. Is it then necessary to all the dist-upgrade stuff as in stable, e.g. when lenny became stable |
| 20:59.23 | cmyers | I have encountered a bug which has already been reported (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531338), I was just wondering why a bug which was "known and fixed in unstable" has been in testing for over 16 days? |
| 20:59.26 | Raydiation | meaning that you only download binary patches instead of downloading the full package every update |
| 20:59.49 | cmyers | and, as a followup, wondering if there was anything I could do to help get it fixed faster? |
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| 21:05.17 | EisRegeN | I installed a jailed lighttpd with fastcgi and php5 after this tutor: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-setup-lighttpd-php-mysql-chrooted-jail.html But I cannot connect to mysqlserver from php, since the socket file isn't in the jail. I changed the socketpath in the my.cnf into the jail, but now mysqld doesn't start and gives no logging information why |
| 21:06.18 | ajavid | q |
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| 21:12.25 | jonnor | what should one do to make wordpress re-read its config? |
| 21:12.32 | jonnor | installed as a debian package |
| 21:12.36 | wad | I ran some apps, which started to use swap after they consumed my 3 GB of RAM. I've exited them. But htop still shows that there is 700 MB of swap in use. Is there a way to un-swap it? I've got plenty of RAM now. I don't want to reboot. |
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| 21:13.49 | xorg62 | hi |
| 21:13.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | wad, it doesn't matter... you can make the reading go away when you umount it and mount it again |
| 21:14.16 | mischief | wad, the kernel will swap the data back in as needed |
| 21:14.17 | xorg62 | when i start up my debian i get a message who is repeated inifinite times :/ |
| 21:14.20 | xorg62 | modprobe: Fatal error running install command binfmt_0000 |
| 21:14.32 | wad | Well, true... but I *want* it back in RAM! :) |
| 21:14.33 | xorg62 | is anyone know a solution to fix it please ? |
| 21:14.50 | wad | Mostly because I'm hardly running anything right now, and I want to know what is consuming all my memory. |
| 21:15.13 | wad | Can I unmount it somehow? I looked at the results of the mount command, but didn't see swp there. |
| 21:15.24 | \amethyst | wad: swapoff |
| 21:15.28 | wad | aha! |
| 21:15.30 | wad | tries it |
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| 21:15.47 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
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| 21:15.55 | \amethyst | wad: note that you'll be flushing recently-used cache pages to bring in not-recently used dirty pages |
| 21:16.00 | HardDisk_WP | what's the debian equivalent of hyperterminal on windows? |
| 21:16.02 | \amethyst | so it may slow things down for a while |
| 21:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops. forgot to mention swapoff... |
| 21:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be getting senile |
| 21:16.25 | wad | \amethyst, thanks! |
| 21:16.26 | ktlr | have somebody used vmware on debian (and create a virtual machine what was debian too)? |
| 21:16.31 | xorg62 | no ? :S |
| 21:16.53 | simNIX | ktlr, here w workstatino no prob |
| 21:17.04 | wad | is enjoying watching his swap usage drop dramatically... |
| 21:17.06 | simNIX | on Lenny |
| 21:17.13 | wad | Done! |
| 21:17.43 | wad | I just turned it back on with swapon. Sweet, exactly what I needed! Thanks \amethyst! |
| 21:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktlr, use one of the free alternatives... /msg dpkg virtualization |
| 21:18.19 | simNIX | im curently looking into lvm |
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| 21:21.27 | xorg62 | :( |
| 21:21.34 | ktlr | if my network settings is not a "NAT" then I can ping other lan ip addresses from the guest but I could not ping anything outside the lan , and when i want to set the default route gateway i got this message: SIOCADDRT: No such process.. i have installed the vmware tools |
| 21:22.57 | jonnor | what should one do to make wordpress re-read its config? |
| 21:23.08 | ktlr | i just can add to the vmnet0 interface inet addr |
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| 21:23.14 | Noble | What is the syntax to set up a ssh tunnel from a to b using say port 80 at the client and 9999 at the host |
| 21:23.14 | ktlr | to default gw |
| 21:23.39 | ktlr | -L 9999:b:80 |
| 21:24.16 | stew | nope |
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| 21:25.02 | Noble | Does the user need to have a valid shell on the server? |
| 21:25.06 | jonnor | changing configuration in /etc/wordpress/config-$sitename.php, restarting mysql and apache should change wordpress configuration no? |
| 21:25.17 | jonnor | the variable in question is the upload path |
| 21:25.49 | xorg62 | modprobe: Fatal error running install command binfmt_0000 <- anyone already had this problem at boot ? |
| 21:26.03 | nsadmin | Noble: are you going to establish the tunnel for the purpose of sending all web traffic to the other host? |
| 21:26.05 | ktlr | noble yep , ssh -2 -4 -oServerAliveInterval=30 -g -f -n -N -T -L lport:ip:rport -p 22 user@ip|host |
| 21:26.34 | Noble | ktlr: wow, what does all that do? |
| 21:26.49 | nsadmin | man ssh and see :) |
| 21:26.49 | Noble | nsadmin: yes that was the main idea. However do I need to do anything else for https? |
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| 21:27.04 | ktlr | fucking idiot vmware |
| 21:27.18 | nsadmin | well why use an ssh tunnel? doing it in iptables is probably faster |
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| 21:28.06 | nsadmin | you just want a permanent (moreorless) forward? |
| 21:28.08 | sulphur | hello |
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| 21:28.12 | Noble | yes |
| 21:28.21 | Noble | I use this laptop on many public networks |
| 21:28.26 | sulphur | tosihba sateltie p3-- = 1ce bluetooth problem |
| 21:28.31 | Noble | and I dont want anybody to go wireshark on me |
| 21:29.18 | sulphur | somebody help ?? |
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| 21:31.07 | phillipsm | sulphur: google |
| 21:31.16 | phillipsm | and that isn't even a proper question |
| 21:31.26 | phillipsm | what is wrong with it other than it doesn't work? |
| 21:31.46 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 21:31.47 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 21:32.03 | sulphur | phillipsm i do it |
| 21:32.50 | sulphur | phillipsm 2 houers |
| 21:32.52 | HardDisk_WP | Noble, you could also try openvpn |
| 21:32.58 | HardDisk_WP | what's the debian equivalent of hyperterminal on windows? |
| 21:33.12 | nsadmin | minicom? |
| 21:33.59 | nsadmin | what exactly does hyperterminal do? |
| 21:34.00 | Noble | HardDisk_WP: Hmm, does that encrypt *all* traffic? |
| 21:34.21 | sulphur | phillipsm dmesg bluetoot is there |
| 21:34.21 | HardDisk_WP | yea |
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| 21:34.44 | HardDisk_WP | Noble, it doesnt work on cheap virtual servers though, you need TUN/TAP device support |
| 21:34.52 | HardDisk_WP | and configuring it isn't that easy. |
| 21:35.00 | nsadmin | bluetoot is cocaine cut with glitter? |
| 21:35.00 | HardDisk_WP | go to #openvpn |
| 21:35.07 | Noble | HardDisk_WP: tsclient is the debian hyperterminal |
| 21:35.08 | xorg62 | hey ! |
| 21:35.17 | xorg62 | modprobe: Fatal error running install command binfmt_0000 <- anyone already had this problem at boot ? |
| 21:35.34 | HardDisk_WP | nsadmin, in hyperterminal I say which port, which baudrate, parity mode and then i can open serial connection |
| 21:35.34 | Noble | HardDisk_WP: or wait, thats the remote desktop |
| 21:35.44 | HardDisk_WP | and e.g. talk directly to the modem |
| 21:36.02 | sulphur | phillipsm but my mouse dosent work |
| 21:36.16 | nsadmin | HardDisk_WP: ok, then your equivalent is minicom and (the command line utility called) setserial |
| 21:36.41 | simNIX | HardDisk_WP, I use cu to connect tot serial consoles |
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| 21:37.00 | phillipsm | sulphur: http://www.bless.li/articles/bluetooth-mouse/ |
| 21:37.09 | phillipsm | found that in 5 seconds |
| 21:37.12 | HardDisk_WP | nsadmin, its a PL2303 usb converter - does this make any diff? |
| 21:37.37 | HardDisk_WP | mnslu:~# setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 21:37.37 | HardDisk_WP | Cannot get serial info: Invalid argument |
| 21:37.39 | nsadmin | minicom/setserial is for legacy serial ports |
| 21:37.40 | HardDisk_WP | Apparently. |
| 21:37.57 | sulphur | phillipsm i do it dosen't work |
| 21:38.13 | HardDisk_WP | The nslu has one, but it's hidden inside the thing, and I dont wanna lose warranty |
| 21:38.18 | HardDisk_WP | what now? |
| 21:38.24 | Noble | So what encryption should I use for my ssh tunnel? Is blowfish ok? |
| 21:38.35 | phillipsm | how does it not work? error message? nothing? |
| 21:38.38 | nsadmin | hmmm you might not have the serial port driver module installed |
| 21:38.45 | phillipsm | !sicco | sulphur |
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| 21:38.58 | sulphur | phillipsm hidd --show nothing |
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| 21:39.09 | nsadmin | but,,, if it's usb I dunno how that works in a terminal situation |
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| 21:39.30 | sobersabre | hi, I'm trying to resolve the "libneon issue" on debian. |
| 21:39.40 | sobersabre | Is there a way to tell ldd |
| 21:39.45 | sobersabre | NOT to use a library ? |
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| 21:39.51 | sobersabre | like "exclude" ? |
| 21:40.00 | sulphur | phillipsm hidd --show nothing |
| 21:40.07 | sulphur | phillipsm hidd --search nothing |
| 21:40.13 | sobersabre | I see libneon27 IS installed, and libneon27-gnutls is installed TOO. |
| 21:40.24 | phillipsm | do you have bluetooth enabled in the kernel? thats part of the requirement |
| 21:40.29 | sobersabre | for some reason the subversion is compiled against the gnutls one. |
| 21:40.56 | adb | sobersabre: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531338 |
| 21:41.19 | adb | this one ? |
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| 21:42.29 | phillipsm | if you don't have a /etc/bluetooth dir then you don't have it enabled |
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| 21:44.47 | sulphur | phillipsm ls -l /etc/bluetooth/ audio.conf hcid.conf rfcomm.conf |
| 21:44.51 | sobersabre | adb: I know of a hack how to solve, and I'm now building a version of my own. |
| 21:45.03 | sobersabre | but I thought of somehow permanently resolve this issue on my systems. |
| 21:45.05 | sobersabre | :) |
| 21:45.57 | sobersabre | if ldd CAN be told, to not use the libneon27-gnutls, it can be nicer. |
| 21:46.09 | Noble | so whats the difference between the ssh -D and -L switches? |
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| 21:47.12 | abrotman | Nightchill: you can try the ones from etch .. that's all i can say .. i don't use ati/nvidia cards, so i don't suffer that pain |
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| 21:49.31 | sobersabre | Noble: the difference is -D can by default work only for a couple of proxy protocols "out of the box". and it's a "dynamic" method. It also can be manually configured to forward other protocols, if GatewayPorts option is set in the sshd_config by the server administrator. |
| 21:49.46 | sobersabre | OTOH, -L is a client based configuration. |
| 21:50.26 | Noble | sobresabre: So which one should I use for securing web surfing? |
| 21:50.36 | sobersabre | also, -D allows to bind non 127.0.0.1 IP. |
| 21:50.46 | wald0 | what is the better technique/way to use crypted partitions ? (for example for my /home) |
| 21:50.55 | sobersabre | Noble: I don't know what do you mean by "securing web surfing". |
| 21:51.08 | sobersabre | what do you want to secure from what ? |
| 21:51.08 | Noble | sobersabre: Well, http and https mainly in firefox |
| 21:51.10 | sobersabre | :) |
| 21:51.21 | sobersabre | I still don't understand. |
| 21:51.31 | Noble | sobersabre: I'm thinking public wireless, and packet sniffing |
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| 21:51.50 | lvh_ | I love nosetests <3 |
| 21:51.51 | sobersabre | I'm thinking about sleep, and a shower. |
| 21:52.04 | Noble | sobersabre: haha, not a bad idea. |
| 21:52.07 | sulphur | phillipsm ?? |
| 21:52.17 | sobersabre | Noble: yep, I can smell you from here. |
| 21:52.33 | Noble | sobersabre: Likely as I've been out working in the garden. |
| 21:52.45 | sobersabre | so, what do you want to secure from whom, I'm still out of the loop. |
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| 21:53.23 | Noble | sobersabre: Basicly I use my laptop on public "Hotspots". And I dont want people to snoop. So I'm thinking of forwarding to my server. |
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| 21:53.58 | sobersabre | Noble: I don't understand why would you want to secure https then :) |
| 21:54.18 | sobersabre | if you're aware of the server's certificate signature, you should be fine. am I wrong ? |
| 21:54.21 | Noble | sobersabre: because its encrypted.... yeah ^^ how about http? |
| 21:54.27 | abrotman | !nopony HolieThePony |
| 21:54.27 | dpkg | HolieThePony: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 21:54.41 | sulphur | maybe this help * Restarting bluetooth Can't get device information: No route to host |
| 21:54.42 | HolieThePony | don't need one |
| 21:54.54 | Noble | sobersabre: g2g, ttyl |
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| 21:55.03 | sobersabre | ok. enjoy the shower. |
| 21:55.06 | sobersabre | byebye. |
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| 21:57.48 | wald0 | what is the better technique/way to use crypted partitions ? (for example for my /home), or any howto ? (of a good way) |
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| 21:59.47 | sulphur | sometinh more hcitool dev Devices: |
| 22:00.01 | simNIX | I would use truecrypt if I needed encryption |
| 22:00.07 | ajavid | I've noticed some odd behaviour (odd to me as I was not expecting this), well, unexpected behavriour on my part. On stable, apt-listbugs will list bugs for the packages, even the bugs present in unstable |
| 22:00.11 | ajavid | why is this? |
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| 22:00.25 | ajavid | I would imagine apt-listbugs on stable would fetch the bugs on the packages in the stable repo |
| 22:00.41 | ajavid | $>cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:00.41 | ajavid | 5.0.1 |
| 22:00.58 | ajavid | grave bugs of libgnomevfs2-0 (-> 1:2.22.0-5) <done> #517168 - libgnomevfs2-0: Uninstallable in sid (Fixed: 1:2.24.0-2) |
| 22:01.01 | ajavid | etc. |
| 22:01.16 | ajavid | or am I missing something altogether? |
| 22:01.39 | themill | ajavid: that bug is marked as being present in stable |
| 22:01.57 | ajavid | ohh, thats what that means |
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| 22:02.19 | ajavid | let me see, so the bug was originally in a package that trickled down to stable ? |
| 22:02.32 | ajavid | but its just marked as a bug in unstable? |
| 22:02.38 | ajavid | is a bit confused |
| 22:02.50 | themill | the same version was in sid and lenny at the time |
| 22:02.59 | ajavid | I see |
| 22:03.13 | ajavid | themill, and how do you know this, and how can I know this for future/other packages? |
| 22:03.24 | themill | ajavid: check the bts... |
| 22:03.31 | ajavid | oh |
| 22:03.41 | ajavid | heh. |
| 22:04.04 | sulphur | somebody help with bluetooth |
| 22:04.09 | sulphur | ?? |
| 22:04.48 | ajavid | themill, I am updating stable system, http://paste.debian.net/39320/ |
| 22:05.06 | nsadmin | ajavid: is there another way? :) /msg dpkg bts for more info. |
| 22:05.07 | ajavid | themill, this is my output, would it be safe to go ahead and install or skip some of the packags |
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| 22:05.49 | ajavid | I could rerun the intall command skipping the packages with the bugs, or can I go ahead and install this? |
| 22:06.24 | ajavid | also what I don't get is that if it is fixed, why does it still show up |
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| 22:06.48 | ajavid | its marked as fixed but its just there to make one paranoid? |
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| 22:09.04 | ajavid | bah. |
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| 22:10.46 | h2 | does anyone know what happened to the /etc/init.d/approx file? it's vanished on my system, and reinstall/update of approx leaves it empty. But approx starts when I boot |
| 22:10.53 | h2 | this is sid |
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| 22:11.13 | Wicked | anyone have issues with etch getting a ipv6 ip from a radvd server? mine will initially get a ipv6 address...but if i restart the network it wont reget the address. |
| 22:11.24 | Wicked | only fix ive found so far is a reboot :( |
| 22:11.57 | ham5 | tried a /etc/init.d/networking restart wicked? |
| 22:12.03 | creature_ | anyone know any on screen keyboard? |
| 22:12.10 | Wicked | ham5, yes. |
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| 22:12.20 | ajavid | creature_, one in kde i know |
| 22:12.28 | creature_ | fuck the ` |
| 22:12.31 | ham5 | gnome comes with one aswell |
| 22:12.33 | Wicked | and it doesnt work....the network restarts fine....but no ipv6 is gotten |
| 22:12.46 | ham5 | sounds like dhcp problem |
| 22:12.49 | creature_ | i couldn't find one |
| 22:13.04 | Wicked | its not using dhcp for ipv6 its using radvd |
| 22:13.13 | wald0 | amazing, nobody uses crypted partitions |
| 22:13.34 | ham5 | slower, isent it wald0 ? |
| 22:13.39 | ajavid | gok - GNOME Onscreen Keyboard |
| 22:13.43 | Wicked | which initially works. if i reboot the box....it will get a ipv6 address on boot...but if i do anything with the network it wont reaquire a ipv6 address |
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| 22:14.05 | wald0 | ham5: i suppose... but i dont know |
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| 22:16.43 | Wicked | bah. i have having to reboot :( |
| 22:16.50 | wald0 | it is more recommended "cryptsetup" or "dm-crypt" ? |
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| 22:16.59 | creature_ | ajavid: that shit was crappy as hell |
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| 22:20.15 | ajavid | I'm sorry. |
| 22:20.37 | ajavid | creature_, make a better onscreen keyboard yourself. |
| 22:20.51 | ham5 | do it |
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| 22:22.39 | Tramp | wald0: that's not an either/or. You use cryptsetup to set up the mapping for dm_crypt |
| 22:22.59 | mischief | wonders why apt-cacher-ng was installed insecurely |
| 22:24.41 | wald0 | Tramp: it is slower and/or dangerous to use crypted partitions ? |
| 22:24.51 | creature_ | this is gay |
| 22:24.57 | creature_ | there is no gtkeyboard in debian repo |
| 22:25.14 | ham5 | probly realy hard to build yourself |
| 22:25.20 | wald0 | creature_: this is gay ? |
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| 22:26.01 | Tramp | wald0: it is slower but not to a degree you would notice (unless your hardware is pretty old). It is dangerous, if you forget/lose your keys to both your partitions and the backups. |
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| 22:26.41 | Tramp | ... or live inside a jurisdiction where it is forbidden to use it. |
| 22:26.47 | RichiH | !gay |
| 22:26.47 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 22:26.57 | creature_ | !fuck |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | it has been said that fuck is cool |
| 22:26.58 | RichiH | creature_, wald0: ^ |
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| 22:27.27 | wald0 | RichiH: :) |
| 22:27.39 | RichiH | creature_: do you plan to contribute anything useful? |
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| 22:28.07 | creature_ | where |
| 22:28.09 | wald0 | thanks Tramp |
| 22:28.16 | Tramp | yw |
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| 22:34.46 | joepa | I'm having trouble getting my logitech usb mouse to work in sid (kernel 2.6.16) |
| 22:34.59 | ham5 | oh? |
| 22:35.12 | themill | which kernel? |
| 22:35.57 | joepa | 2.6.16-2-k7-smp |
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| 22:36.50 | joepa | I have no mouse devices (/dev/input/mouseX or /dev/psauwx) even though I have all the relevant kernel modules loaded |
| 22:36.52 | themill | that's not exactly a recent kernel for sid |
| 22:37.28 | ham5 | do you have udevd running? |
| 22:37.30 | joepa | what would be a good kernel to use? |
| 22:38.37 | ham5 | the modules load on their own ? |
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| 22:39.32 | joepa | I loaded the modules with modconf |
| 22:39.48 | joepa | although, now that you mention it, udevd isn't running |
| 22:40.06 | ham5 | what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:40.11 | ham5 | just curious |
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| 22:40.12 | ham5 | 3? |
| 22:40.14 | ham5 | :\ |
| 22:40.32 | joepa | 5 |
| 22:40.36 | RichiH | ham5: he said sid |
| 22:40.41 | RichiH | sid does not have a version |
| 22:40.44 | RichiH | and never will |
| 22:40.49 | joepa | it says 5 when I login |
| 22:40.56 | enouf | it's not |
| 22:41.05 | ham5 | with that kernel and modconf? |
| 22:41.20 | enouf | that's a pre-Etch (4.0) kernel |
| 22:41.50 | enouf | although, i guess your dpkg -l | grep libc6 is more indicative |
| 22:41.59 | enouf | er |
| 22:42.27 | enouf | dpkg libc6 | tail -1 will suffice :-p |
| 22:42.27 | dpkg | enouf: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:42.37 | enouf | dpkg: stop |
| 22:42.37 | dpkg | Collaborate. Listen. |
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| 22:42.55 | ham5 | uhhuh |
| 22:43.11 | enouf | starts some random chant |
| 22:43.30 | ham5 | libc6 2.9-12 |
| 22:43.32 | enouf | oh crap .. gotta run out .. shit .. lost track of time :-P |
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| 22:56.20 | h2 | found it: http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-printview-t-15166-start-0.html approx start/stop moved to /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd |
| 22:56.21 | h2 | in case the question comes up again |
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| 22:57.34 | Tramp | solid_liq: can you stop that? |
| 22:57.54 | solid_liq | Tramp: stop what? |
| 22:58.32 | Tramp | solid_liq: the continous nick-changing |
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| 22:59.19 | solid_liq | Tramp: looks like I need to get my config tweaked |
| 22:59.33 | solid_liq | Tramp: I don't know why it auto-switches to my AFK when I connect, then back |
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| 23:02.20 | Rajko | why isnt eth1 coming up at startup |
| 23:02.33 | Rajko | i added it into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:03.17 | dmoerner | Rajko, pastebin /etc/network/interfaces please |
| 23:03.26 | Rajko | i cant, i need to install ssh first |
| 23:03.31 | Rajko | and its asking me for the cdrom |
| 23:03.38 | Rajko | where do i remove that repo |
| 23:04.14 | adb | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:05.03 | abrotman | Rajko: dmesg | grep eth |
| 23:05.43 | Rajko | intel pro/1000 network connection on both |
| 23:05.48 | Rajko | nic link is up on both |
| 23:05.49 | umarzuki | do we need ssh to copy paste into pastebin/ |
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| 23:06.30 | StuckMojo | how do you comment out lines in /etc/apt/preferences? i.e. if i want to try commenting out a package pinning, but don't want to delete it in case i need to put it back |
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| 23:06.55 | ham5 | # |
| 23:07.09 | themill | StuckMojo: don't leave any blank lines between stanzas though |
| 23:08.08 | StuckMojo | themill: oh? the current iteration starts with a blank line and has one blank line between each stanza |
| 23:08.10 | Rajko | http://codepad.org/gDfgwKf9 |
| 23:08.18 | StuckMojo | it was created with apt-listbugs |
| 23:08.58 | themill | StuckMojo: blank lines between stanzas are fine (necessary) until you want to comment out a section |
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| 23:09.06 | StuckMojo | lol, oh |
| 23:09.39 | Rajko | why is it not coming up |
| 23:09.40 | Rajko | on boot |
| 23:09.41 | StuckMojo | hmm...alternatively, i could change the priority from 1000 to 499, no? |
| 23:09.48 | Rajko | and if i do ifconfig eth1 up, it doesnt get the ip config |
| 23:11.11 | umarzuki | Rajko, ipconfig INTERFACE IP netmask NETMASK up |
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| 23:11.29 | Rajko | why doent it COME UP AT BOOT |
| 23:11.53 | umarzuki | check you /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:12.03 | themill | StuckMojo: depends what you're trying to achieve. You may want to look at aptitude forbid-version |
| 23:12.12 | Rajko | its fine |
| 23:12.15 | Rajko | i codepadded |
| 23:13.30 | StuckMojo | themill: hmm. ok thanks |
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| 23:15.06 | umarzuki | Rajko, what do you mean by codepadded? |
| 23:15.15 | Rajko | <Rajko> http://codepad.org/gDfgwKf9 |
| 23:15.57 | StuckMojo | Rajko: "auth eth1" ? |
| 23:16.01 | ham5 | ;\ |
| 23:16.10 | StuckMojo | Rajko: that should be "auto eth1" if you want it to come up at boot |
| 23:16.15 | Rajko | RARGh |
| 23:16.53 | umarzuki | well, it is always the interfaces file to look for, might as well remember next time |
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| 23:22.18 | micols | should i use a 512 byte random keyfile when i want to add a new key with cryptsetup ? |
| 23:22.22 | micols | i use xts aes |
| 23:22.37 | micols | or just something sensible , such as a passphrase about aslong as my current passphrase |
| 23:22.46 | micols | it seems to take 100% cpu on my 3ghz cpu :) |
| 23:22.52 | micols | when writing or reading. |
| 23:22.58 | micols | with 512 byte --key-file |
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| 23:31.33 | tmore_ | id auaua |
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| 23:34.52 | ponyofdeath | hi, wondering how efficient shorewall is vs and home grown iptables script? would i get more latency with shorewall? |
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| 23:36.47 | dkr | yes, .03 nanoseconds |
| 23:37.00 | Name1ess | that's preposterous. |
| 23:37.21 | dkr | Name1ess: You have grasped my point, good sir. :) |
| 23:37.28 | Name1ess | :) |
| 23:37.32 | StuckMojo | redonkulous even |
| 23:38.10 | ponyofdeath | haha ok was just wondering cauz after i set up shorewall and did an iptables -L i saw insane amounts of redirects to diff tables etc.. for an pretty simple setup |
| 23:38.42 | peppe | ponyofdeath: that's "normal", is how shorewall sets up the chains |
| 23:38.43 | dkr | ponyofdeath: the bottleneck is by far the network speed, not in kernel packet iptables traversal |
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| 23:39.02 | StuckMojo | seacrest out! |
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| 23:39.28 | ponyofdeath | excelent just wanted to make sure before i spent more time with it |
| 23:40.15 | imarcusthis | hey, anyone know if silo has some replacement for grub's 'fallback 1' option? |
| 23:41.48 | peppe | ponyofdeath: to summarize it up: if you were setting up a heavy load firewall, you wouldn't pose that question (and perhaps not use shorewall in the first place). so you're setting up a firewall to protect your small LAN, and then the latency of all those chains is definitely not a problem :-P |
| 23:43.01 | imarcusthis | just trying to set up http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p2 on a sparc box, and I am worried I'll render it unbootable |
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| 23:43.56 | clancy | Hello,can someone help me with this? |
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| 23:44.11 | clancy | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/hd-media-install-in-lenny-733173/ |
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| 23:44.52 | claudio | hi all! |
| 23:45.23 | claudio | i have a problem reconfiguration of ldap in lenny |
| 23:45.52 | imarcusthis | clancy: is your iso in the toplevel of the fs? |
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| 23:46.28 | clancy | if top level mean just under / |
| 23:46.31 | clancy | it's no |
| 23:46.40 | clancy | i put it in /boot/new |
| 23:46.45 | claudio | somebody have a problem reconfigurate ldap in lenny? |
| 23:47.00 | imarcusthis | clancy: try it? |
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| 23:48.22 | claudio | alguien me pueden dar una mano con openldap |
| 23:48.53 | abrotman | english here |
| 23:48.54 | claudio | somebody can help me with openldap |
| 23:48.55 | claudio | ? |
| 23:49.12 | imarcusthis | claudio: if you ask actually questions, you're more likely to get a response... |
| 23:50.05 | mitrax | Is it possible to retrieve the archive files used for a specific package using apt-get ? i.e just have the package file and its dependencies downloaded as files so i can install them later on? |
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| 23:50.35 | abrotman | --download-only ? |
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| 23:50.53 | mitrax | abrotman: that doesn't work if the package are already installed |
| 23:50.57 | mitrax | packages |
| 23:51.07 | abrotman | apt-zip ? |
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| 23:51.49 | mitrax | ah thanks |
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| 23:55.01 | peppe | mitrax: aptitude download, eventually |
| 23:55.08 | clancy | imarcusthis:if i boot with new kernel |
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| 23:55.41 | clancy | I think /boot/new is the top directory level of new system..right |
| 23:56.25 | clancy | ? |
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| 23:57.04 | imarcusthis | clancy: kind of looks like you are missing some dependencies |
| 23:58.00 | clancy | dependencies....?but it's very beginging of install a system.. |
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| 23:59.09 | Hajuu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxk_WywMTzc&NR=1 |
| 23:59.40 | clancy | is it possible to fix? |
