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| 00:01.31 | abrotman | Hajuu: please keep it on topic, last warning |
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| 00:01.43 | Eternal_Sin | good night every one |
| 00:02.19 | Eternal_Sin | someone had played to a video game called Alex Kid from sega? |
| 00:02.39 | abrotman | Eternal_Sin: #debian-offtopic .. yes i have |
| 00:03.03 | Eternal_Sin | well, this is not offtopic, so i cant post the image here >.< |
| 00:03.18 | abrotman | and how is it related to Debian ? |
| 00:03.48 | Eternal_Sin | i hadn't noticed that this isn't the offtopic forum >.< |
| 00:03.51 | Eternal_Sin | sorry |
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| 00:10.24 | ham5 | always thought of em more as chat rooms then forums |
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| 00:12.09 | beardy | !room |
| 00:12.09 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 00:15.08 | ajavid | hi guys |
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| 00:15.24 | ajavid | why does the tasksel task of sql server only install postgresql and not mysql? |
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| 00:23.32 | abrotman | ajavid: same reason exim is installed instead of some other MTA i'd guess |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | (or the at one time questionable licensing of mysql) |
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| 00:26.41 | NightHawk | Greetings guys |
| 00:26.48 | NightHawk | Does Debian support wireless cards? |
| 00:26.57 | Dassu | Yes it does. >:( |
| 00:27.15 | NightHawk | Will i need to configure anything if i wanna use my Belkin F5D8073 N Wireless ExpressCard ? |
| 00:27.19 | Dassu | But really. You just verify it by googling the chip name |
| 00:27.27 | Manoj | NightHawk: though,m really, it is the kernel that provides the support, and debian does install a kernel .... |
| 00:27.47 | NightHawk | Well im looking for a distro to run on my laptop :) |
| 00:28.20 | NightHawk | ubuntu support wont answer me so ya lol |
| 00:28.55 | Manoj | well, I believe ubuntu might ship more drivers in the default install than debian does |
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| 00:29.14 | Manoj | I am having a devil of a time gettig my iwl3945 to work. |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | NightHawk: we'd need the actual chipset .. not the brand name |
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| 00:29.32 | Manoj | 2.6.29.5 worked, 2.6.30 does not |
| 00:29.40 | NightHawk | abrotman that is my chipset seeing how its just an adapter :) |
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| 00:29.57 | abrotman | that's not the chipset |
| 00:29.58 | mesa_booger | NightHawk: wireless is totally doable. if you have a good chipset/driver combo or even madwifi or ndiswrapper then you are good to go |
| 00:29.58 | luckylucy | trying to get samba back up, i have pasted the logs from the pdc and the client server, trying to at least narrow the problem to one or the other...http://pastebin.com/dacac797 contains the logfile output with standard level settings. |
| 00:30.00 | NightHawk | my dell card is built in and and it sucks ass so i bought the N card :) |
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| 00:30.23 | abrotman | NightHawk: your N card has a chipset .. that's what we'd need to know |
| 00:30.35 | NightHawk | it doesnt tell me l ol |
| 00:30.47 | ranix | NightHawk: then I guess you're boned eh? |
| 00:30.53 | ranix | NightHawk: or you have to look harder |
| 00:30.54 | abrotman | google ? |
| 00:31.00 | Manoj | NightHawk: According to www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16839314011 it works with ndiswrapper on ubuntu |
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| 00:31.08 | avu | NightHawk, did you actually laugh out loud after you wrote that sentence? |
| 00:31.13 | mesa_booger | lspci, lsusb |
| 00:31.14 | ranix | !lol |
| 00:31.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:31.27 | ranix | bwahaha |
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| 00:31.37 | SuperMiguel | is debian as hard as gentoo? |
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| 00:31.45 | mesa_booger | another satisfied customer |
| 00:31.48 | ranix | SuperMiguel: depends on how sexy you are |
| 00:32.06 | SuperMiguel | ranix, im sexy :P |
| 00:32.15 | ranix | Ubuntu prefers blondes, but Debian would rather a redhead |
| 00:32.37 | mesa_booger | what about brunette |
| 00:32.40 | ranix | don't know about Gentoo |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: it depends what you want to do with the installation i'd say |
| 00:33.20 | SuperMiguel | well i used ubuntu for a while and didnt learn anything, now been using gentoo for few days, and its pissing me off.. everytime i want to installl something it takes me days :S... |
| 00:33.47 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 00:33.47 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 00:33.55 | beardy | Be happy. |
| 00:34.02 | ranix | Debian utilizes the eldritch power of binaries |
| 00:34.21 | ranix | and the arcane focus called apt-get |
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| 00:34.28 | beardy | aptitude. |
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| 00:34.46 | ranix | beardy: only if you're the disciple of that new red wizard from the valley |
| 00:34.53 | ranix | beardy: us mountain people use apt-get |
| 00:35.04 | SuperMiguel | i mean in ubuntu i just tiped apt-get install blahblah and it worked, i gentoo.. emerge blahblah.. error u need to compine this and u have to do this |
| 00:35.07 | SuperMiguel | :S |
| 00:35.14 | Manoj | you have mountains in rhode island? |
| 00:35.37 | ranix | oh yeah, we call it the Johnston Landfill |
| 00:35.46 | ranix | that's where the zombies come from |
| 00:35.51 | Manoj | heh |
| 00:35.51 | ranix | and mutants |
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| 00:36.37 | ranix | I hear that if you've a computer forged of mithril, you can harness the power of Compiz |
| 00:37.12 | luckylucy | no one? |
| 00:37.13 | ranix | personally, I've made a pact with XFCE4 |
| 00:37.13 | rui | lol compiz |
| 00:37.47 | Manoj | ranix: I never learned the reason to move to these artifacts of the new age called desktop environments |
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| 00:38.14 | ranix | luckylucy: your problem is boring, ask again in a couple minutes |
| 00:38.21 | Manoj | ranix: I still commune with items of power from the second age, called window managers |
| 00:38.37 | owen1 | how to open xterm in defined pixels? i know xterm -geometry 80x25 & is number of characters, i think. |
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| 00:40.10 | luckylucy | ranix: heh. ok. |
| 00:40.18 | Manoj | luckylucy: You seem to have connection permission issues |
| 00:40.24 | luckylucy | i know. |
| 00:40.58 | luckylucy | i don't know which end to start on, or possibly the connecting xp laptops? |
| 00:41.10 | Manoj | luckylucy: well, start on the server |
| 00:41.22 | luckylucy | pdc or client? |
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| 00:41.25 | Manoj | luckylucy: and use a plain old client, smbclient or something |
| 00:42.36 | Manoj | luckylucy: if you have an account on the server, put security = user in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 00:42.36 | ranix | I can't troubleshoot from that log alone |
| 00:42.49 | ranix | is this a client or the server? |
| 00:43.07 | ranix | looks like a client to me |
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| 00:43.33 | Manoj | PDC == Primary Domain Controller |
| 00:43.46 | ranix | ah, I haven't used samba domains at all |
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| 00:48.02 | luckylucy | ranix / Manoj: i can't even mount one of the client's shares from the pdc. i only have two linux boxes. |
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| 00:48.49 | luckylucy | using smbfs or cifs |
| 00:48.54 | Manoj | luckylucy: well, concentrate on the pdc, and use smbclient there |
| 00:49.44 | ranix | I don't know anything about how domains work in samba |
| 00:49.56 | ranix | I use standard windows peer network style connections |
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| 00:50.34 | Manoj | luckylucy: I guess /etc/samba/smb.conf might be useful. Try a minimal file, and see if you can see it locally. if not, look to firewalls or /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} |
| 00:51.02 | PerryArmstrong | manoj; from INDIA?? |
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| 00:52.25 | luckylucy | i think it is a hosts bit. i have both of the smb.conf up right now. smbclient from pdc connects, asks for pwd then fails with NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS |
| 00:52.55 | SuperMiguel | fuck gentoo going to debian :) |
| 00:53.02 | luckylucy | welcome |
| 00:53.13 | Manoj | luckylucy: aha! have you looked into smbpasswd? |
| 00:53.19 | SuperMiguel | emerge debian :) |
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| 00:53.29 | Manoj | luckylucy: use that toset the password of the user you are looking to connect as |
| 00:53.39 | PerryArmstrong | Manoj; from INDIA?? |
| 00:53.53 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: does it matter? |
| 00:54.03 | luckylucy | Manoj: oh shit, i have to add one for the server name, don't i... |
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| 00:56.02 | mns | I would like to SSH to my home machine from the office, and have my IRC client connect to freenode or any other server using port forwarding over SSH. How would I do this ? Would I need something on my home machine, like bitlbee ? or something else ? |
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| 00:56.17 | luckylucy | no wait, the pdc should have all the passwords... |
| 00:56.25 | SuperMiguel | why doesnt debian use firefox? |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | !tell SuperMiguel about why iceweasel |
| 00:56.52 | mns | SuperMiguel, it does use firefox, it just calls it iceweasel |
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| 00:56.57 | zinx | SuperMiguel: because mozilla.com has issues with Debian calling a version of firefox modified for debian 'firefox' |
| 00:56.59 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; why? |
| 00:57.10 | abrotman | why do you keep askign?! |
| 00:57.24 | zinx | SuperMiguel: and Debian has no interest in bothering with it, since they can just as easily rename it :/ |
| 00:57.25 | PerryArmstrong | ok never mind |
| 00:57.50 | SuperMiguel | um |
| 00:58.32 | wooj | SuperMiguel, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 00:58.36 | wooj | there ya go. |
| 00:59.20 | Hiryu | I need subversion 1.6, are there any back port repos for lenny? |
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| 01:00.57 | macrobat | my subversion in sid is 1.5.6dfsg-1 |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | judd: versions subversion |
| 01:01.10 | judd | abrotman: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.6dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 |
| 01:01.21 | SuperMiguel | did debian finally got the drivers for the intel Wireless 4965 AGN? |
| 01:01.39 | Manoj | PerryArmstrong: well, I suppose initially I was |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: ages ago |
| 01:02.14 | Manoj | luckylucy: I usually tell my client host to use a user/password for the server, and use smbpasswd to set that |
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| 01:05.57 | PerryArmstrong | Manoj; ok fine |
| 01:06.11 | PerryArmstrong | Manoj; your name sounded like an indian so i asked |
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| 01:07.09 | Manoj | PerryArmstrong: well, you are not wrong |
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| 01:08.03 | PerryArmstrong | Manoj; ok..bcoz i am an indian too |
| 01:08.12 | dkr | wow, there are people from all around the world on the intarwebs, what a shocking concept! |
| 01:08.17 | PerryArmstrong | Manoj; well i am leaving bye |
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| 01:09.03 | Manoj | Hmm. Perry Armstrong is a pretty unusual Indian name, if you ask me |
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| 01:17.49 | ajavid | my roommate long time ago his older brother's name was manoj from Banaras |
| 01:18.05 | ajavid | Manoj, lots of indians here |
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| 01:35.43 | luckylucy | how can i view the allowed users for samba using tdbsam backend? |
| 01:37.05 | abrotman | you're aware of #samba ? |
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| 01:38.22 | sobersabre | hi. I'm compiling my program on debian 5.0 |
| 01:38.46 | sobersabre | I didn't touch any cpu cpecific options. asked a fellow to run it on his virtual server. |
| 01:39.03 | sobersabre | he got the error: FATAL: kernel too old Segmentation fault |
| 01:39.09 | sobersabre | his kernel prints out this: |
| 01:39.56 | ranix | don't paste that yet |
| 01:40.02 | ranix | what kernel version is he running |
| 01:40.11 | sobersabre | 2.6.9-023stab043.1-smp #1 SMP Mon Mar 5 16:35:19 MSK 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 01:40.34 | sobersabre | anyway, when I'm running file ./myprogram, I'm getting this: |
| 01:40.49 | ranix | your kernel is older than dirt |
| 01:40.50 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.55 | ranix | I'm using 2.6.26 and mine is old |
| 01:40.58 | sobersabre | ranix: it's not my kernel. |
| 01:41.02 | ranix | people these days are using 29 and 30 |
| 01:41.08 | ranix | upgrade the kernel in the virtual machine |
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| 01:41.17 | ranix | to 2.6.15 |
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| 01:41.18 | abrotman | sobersabre: it's a VPS ? |
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| 01:41.59 | sobersabre | I thinks o. |
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| 01:43.40 | sobersabre | abrotman: anyway, is it possible to compile a static exec for that old kernel ? |
| 01:43.46 | sobersabre | what flags should I use ? |
| 01:44.19 | ksnp | anyone try the ddclient with ssl, i get an error saying the following (I do have ssl package installed) : |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | no idea .. |
| 01:44.21 | ksnp | socket: IO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) |
| 01:44.27 | ksnp | can anyone help how to fix this ? |
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| 01:44.54 | JordiGH | I changed Gnome's resolution from the whatever system->preferences->screen resolution thingie. |
| 01:45.10 | JordiGH | But I made a mistake, and now I get a blank screen, which ignores whatever I put in xorg.conf |
| 01:45.15 | Akuw | one of the best ways to make backup mirror is using rsync? |
| 01:45.33 | JordiGH | How can I change the resolution back from a tty? |
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| 01:46.12 | dkr | Akuw: rsync is good for having an up-to-date copy. if you want backups showing changes over time so you can recover files deleted the day before, use rdiff-backup |
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| 01:46.36 | n3kl | Does anyone know of a way to put a luks keyfile on a network somehow to decrypt root? tftp nfs or otherwise? |
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| 01:47.35 | Akuw | for example server1 have file1 and file2 |
| 01:47.46 | Akuw | so mirror will have file1 and file2 |
| 01:48.00 | Akuw | what if i delete file1 from main server? |
| 01:48.24 | luckylucy | abrotman: #samba is dead, dead as can be. not a single word since i asked in there over an hour ago. |
| 01:48.29 | Akuw | using rsync will not update the deleted file, so i will have file1 file2 in mirror server |
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| 01:48.58 | abrotman | luckylucy: i was just makign sure you knew it was there |
| 01:49.10 | luckylucy | yeah. |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | Akuw: have you read 'man rsync' ? |
| 01:49.27 | dkr | Akuw: no, it will delete it. rsync maintains an exact copy, including deletions. although you can probably tell it to not delete stuff when synchronizing. it could get messy. better to go with an incremental backup |
| 01:49.27 | Akuw | i am doing |
| 01:49.44 | Akuw | ok |
| 01:50.21 | dkr | rdiff-backup is an exact copy + incremental backups |
| 01:50.23 | luckylucy | i just need to be able to check the password setups in my pdc. i have one working and one that doesn't. if i could compare the two, i could find the problem(hopefully) |
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| 01:51.35 | gasull | Hi. I was trying out selinux in Debian stable. Installed it, put it in enforced mode, and uninstalled it with apt-get remove. Now I cannot start my system b/c I get a kernel panic message. I'm running the Debian installation disc in rescue mode and chatting from another laptop. How can I fix it? Thank you so much |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | blames julia22 |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | gasull: what's the actual kernel panic message? |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | gasull: please keep it in the channel |
| 01:52.48 | gasull | abrotman: let me restart it |
| 01:53.03 | abrotman | so wait .. you blew up your own laptop ? |
| 01:53.20 | gasull | abrotman: yep |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | gasull: but you just installed ? |
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| 01:54.35 | gasull | abrotman: that's why it is the moment to experiment before putting any data there |
| 01:55.09 | JordiGH | Hm, never mind. Fixed it by going to failsafe. |
| 01:55.32 | gasull | abrotman: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:55.45 | abrotman | that's all it says ? |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | nothing useful right before it ? |
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| 01:56.38 | gasull | Above of it is says: Unable to load SELinux Policy. Machine is in enforcing mode. Halting now. |
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| 01:57.45 | gasull | Also: Could not open policy file <= /etc/selinux/default/policy/policy.23: No such file or directory |
| 01:57.51 | wad | Quick question: I need to have email sent to a specific email address both deliver locally, and forward to another address. What's the best way to go about this? (postifx, dovecot, maildir) |
| 01:58.27 | gasull | i guess it's b/c i removed the pkg selinux-policy-default |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | you mean before deactivating it ? |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | wad: you want an email to one person to go to that person and someone else? |
| 01:59.14 | wad | nods at abrotman |
| 01:59.18 | gasull | abrotman: yeah, i think the problem is that i didn't deactivate it for the next reboot |
| 01:59.28 | wad | The other one is a forward, to an address off my server. |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | wad: do you know which smtp server ? |
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| 01:59.55 | wad | One of my users wants to check her email on my server, but also have it go to her hotmail account. |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | gasull: so maybe with the rescue disk you can do that? |
| 02:00.02 | sobersabre | ok, guys... the problem resolved :) I used ubuntu to compile, when using debian compiler it works ok. |
| 02:00.06 | sobersabre | good night |
| 02:00.11 | ranix | what the fuck |
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| 02:00.32 | gasull | abrotman: how? |
| 02:00.42 | gasull | abrotman: i need to chroot i guess |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | be my guess |
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| 02:02.22 | gasull | abrotman: and is there any way i can use apt-get in the chrooted env? |
| 02:02.35 | gasull | is rebooting in rescue mode |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | i believe so .. |
| 02:02.45 | PhotoJim | you can. |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | though i'd guess you just hve to change a config file |
| 02:02.49 | PhotoJim | I have. |
| 02:02.56 | PhotoJim | No changes required once chrooted. |
| 02:05.25 | cantido | wad: put a procmail script in her $HOME that forwards a copy of the mail |
| 02:06.33 | cantido | Would make sense that when you chroot into your environment that it has the same tools... |
| 02:06.34 | wad | cantido, I was on the trail to figuring that out. :) Thanks! |
| 02:06.46 | dondelelcaro | wad: you can also do that using .forward |
| 02:07.16 | cantido | dondelelcaro: you can forward but also locally deliver with .forward? |
| 02:07.20 | wad | dondelelcaro, really? It will preserve the email locally, and also forward it out? That would be ideal, because then I don't have to learn procmail voodoo. |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:07.40 | PhotoJim | you could make a dummy account and test it easily enough. |
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| 02:07.52 | abrotman | i believe it's uhm .. "\<username>, <other-address>" |
| 02:08.03 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right |
| 02:08.05 | wad | looks for the documentation on .forward syntax. |
| 02:08.14 | dondelelcaro | usually you'd do it on two separate lines, but that's basically it |
| 02:08.25 | cantido | is .forward read by exim? |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | oh, i've always done it with the comma |
| 02:08.49 | dondelelcaro | cantido: it should be by default |
| 02:08.56 | dondelelcaro | (though you can certainly configure exim to ignore it) |
| 02:09.01 | wad | So... how do I make it not delete itself locally? |
| 02:09.20 | abrotman | the above should do that |
| 02:09.26 | cantido | dondelelcaro: so it should be possible to test it with exim -bt.. cool :) |
| 02:09.34 | ajavid | can exim4 work throgh google imap? |
| 02:09.44 | cantido | ajavid: to do what? |
| 02:09.50 | ajavid | send/reviece mail |
| 02:10.00 | ajavid | for my sole user account |
| 02:10.01 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: exim4 does smtp; it's not an imap server or client |
| 02:10.15 | ajavid | hmm |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | ajavid: you can setup exim to go through the google submission port IIRC. not related to IMAP |
| 02:10.20 | gasull | I have /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. sda1 being the boot partition and sda2 being home and most of the system. Should I execute a shell in /dev/sda1? A shell in the installer environment? |
| 02:10.22 | cantido | ajavid: you could setup exim as a smarthost that relays through gmail |
| 02:10.29 | ajavid | cantido, I see |
| 02:10.47 | cantido | gasull: sda2 |
| 02:10.55 | ajavid | cantido, well checking mail I do throggh www anyway, I'd like to I guess send mail from my system using gmail smtp |
| 02:11.03 | ajavid | cantido, I'll look into the relay |
| 02:11.06 | cantido | gasull: /boot only contains kernel images and bootload config |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | ajavid: wait .. why would you want to use your SMTP instead of just using your mail client to do it? |
| 02:11.17 | ajavid | cantido, I've never used/setup/administered a *nix mail server, I have no idea |
| 02:11.26 | ajavid | abrotman, I dunno, I have no idea, just curious |
| 02:11.42 | cantido | ajavid: I'd just use google's smtp to be honest.. |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | ajavid: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=77662 .. for instance |
| 02:11.56 | gasull | msg: An error ocurred while mounting the device you entered for your root file system (/dev/sda2) on /target. Please check the syslog for more information. |
| 02:12.29 | ajavid | abrotman, I see |
| 02:12.33 | cantido | gasull: switch to the first vt to get into a shell |
| 02:12.41 | cantido | I think it's the first one anyhow |
| 02:12.42 | gasull | Where is syslog? I can find it in /var/syslog |
| 02:12.43 | ajavid | abrotman, I've always used the 'gmail' setup option in icedove |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | haven't seen it |
| 02:12.59 | gasull | cantido: i'm already in a shell |
| 02:13.22 | cantido | gasull: you were mounting the rootfs via the menu thing in rescue mode though? |
| 02:13.31 | gasull | cantido: yes |
| 02:13.42 | ajavid | abrotman, which mail client are you down with? |
| 02:13.45 | cantido | gasull: if you do mount /dev/sda2 /target what happens? |
| 02:13.49 | cantido | gasull: check dmesg too |
| 02:14.09 | slowsark | Ouch this box is slow... I am installing SSH, and it's been generating the RSA key for 15 minutes... |
| 02:14.24 | cantido | slowsark: probably out of entropy |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | ajavid: it's not that ..i guess i've just never noticed the option in TB because i've never tried to setup TB for gmail |
| 02:14.34 | ajavid | abrotman, I see |
| 02:14.44 | ajavid | abrotman, yeh, its there, but it sets up pop by default, not imap |
| 02:14.47 | gasull | mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /target failed: Device or resource busy |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | slowsark: you might want to switch to another terminal and do some stuff |
| 02:15.05 | cantido | slowsark: I think it took a day or so to generate a key on my SS20 because it didn't have a keyboard/mouse to use as an entropy source |
| 02:15.28 | gasull | cantido: should i unmount? |
| 02:15.35 | slowsark | hehe - /dev/urandom - out of entropy. Please refill bit buckt. |
| 02:15.42 | cantido | gasull: um, does mount say it's mounted? |
| 02:15.45 | ajavid | lol |
| 02:15.55 | slowsark | It should have plenty of entropy - I'm on IRC with it too. |
| 02:15.58 | gasull | cantido: it says it's busy |
| 02:16.22 | cantido | gasull: if you run mount without any parameters it will show the mounted fses |
| 02:16.34 | cantido | gasull: does it show /dev/sda2 being mounted anywhere? |
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| 02:17.09 | gasull | it isn't mounted |
| 02:17.18 | CapaH | Can anyone here tell me how to get Firefox 3.5 working on Debian? Specifically, I want to demo "html 5" -- I can get it to run, but when I visit the 'html 5' youtube demo page, I just get a black square where there should be a video. Anyone know why? |
| 02:17.21 | slowsark | are you currently in /target? |
| 02:17.27 | gasull | tmpfs on /dev |
| 02:17.52 | cantido | CapaH: is firefox 3.5 in Debian yet.. |
| 02:17.59 | abrotman | no |
| 02:18.04 | gasull | no. I'm in / |
| 02:18.07 | abrotman | hasn't been released yet |
| 02:18.22 | cantido | gasull: Is there anything in dmesg? |
| 02:18.49 | gasull | cantido: there's a lot there |
| 02:18.57 | cantido | gasull: dmesg | tail |
| 02:19.00 | gasull | cantido: what should I look for |
| 02:20.09 | gasull | cantido: mmm... it says: EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended |
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| 02:20.36 | cantido | gasull: can you try mount /dev/sda2 /mnt instead? |
| 02:21.03 | gasull | /dev/sda2 is encrypted by the way, but I've been already asked for the passphrase so it should be unencrypted now |
| 02:21.33 | gasull | cantido: same error |
| 02:21.39 | cantido | gasull: you should be mounting the encrypted block device not the actual block device then... |
| 02:21.52 | gasull | i see |
| 02:21.57 | cantido | crypto block device, whatever it's called.. |
| 02:22.12 | Sark | Haha. Well, in order to reduce the footprint of the kernel on the other box, I decided to compile a custom kernel. So, I SSH into one of the servers at the other office from work midday, and start a compile, then detach the session. Well, I just ssh'ed in again and reattached, and sure enough, it's still compiling. |
| 02:22.22 | gasull | cantido: How do i do that? |
| 02:23.07 | Sark | So, that's been running for what, like ten hours now... |
| 02:23.13 | PhotoJim | Sark: I have a 486sx25 with 32 MB that runs Debian that I keep running out of nostalgia, mostly. I have a 2.2.29 custom kernel on it and it took me 4 days to compile. :) |
| 02:23.25 | PhotoJim | Sark: s/2.2.29/2.6.29/ |
| 02:23.38 | cantido | gasull: mmm I've not used Debian's interface of it, when you use cryptsetup you give it a parameter to tell it what to create the block device as |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | PhotoJim: why didn't you compile it on another machine? |
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| 02:24.10 | cantido | or use distc :) |
| 02:24.12 | PhotoJim | abrotman: I've never cross compiled. I know it's not hard but I just haven't gotten around to learning how to do it. |
| 02:24.17 | gasull | cantido: i think i found how http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 02:24.21 | Sark | PhotoJim - yeah, I'm trying to compile 2.6.30 for this 486/33. I'm compiling it on one of the boxen in at work to save time. |
| 02:24.30 | PhotoJim | abrotman: besides, in a weird way I rather like that it compiled its own kernel, even if took a long time. |
| 02:24.38 | Sark | problem is, the box I'm compiling it on isn't that much faster (P1/166) |
| 02:24.50 | PhotoJim | Sark: that'll still take days. depends on available RAM too. |
| 02:25.04 | PhotoJim | One nice thing about doing a lengthy compile on a machine is that it's a good way of ensuring the machine is reliable. |
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| 02:25.57 | cantido | gasull: are you using LVM like that guide? |
| 02:25.59 | Sark | PhotoJim: I am having a horrible time with thie 486/33, It's a clean load of the latest Debian, but it's so, ungodly slow.... If a user logs into the virtual console, it takes a good three minutes for bash to load. Trying to trim the fat a bit... |
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| 02:26.10 | PhotoJim | Sark: GUI? |
| 02:26.19 | Sark | PhotoJim: No. |
| 02:26.26 | PhotoJim | Sark: how much RAM? |
| 02:26.45 | gasull | cantido: i don't think so. I used the default crypto options |
| 02:26.51 | Sark | PhotoJim: This is as bare of an install as you can get. No X, no nothing. But it is on the network. I'm installing SSH on it now, but it's been 20 minutes generating the RSA key so far. |
| 02:26.53 | Sark | 32 meg |
| 02:26.54 | abrotman | PhotoJim: you don't have another i386 box ? |
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| 02:27.03 | cantido | gasull: ls /dev/mapper .. is there anything there? |
| 02:27.32 | PhotoJim | Sark: something is absolutely wrong if it takes three minutes for bash to come up. my 486 doesn't even have PCI slots so I/O is atrociously slow, but the performance is not horrid. it's noticeably slower than even a Pentium 133, but it is usable. |
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| 02:27.48 | PhotoJim | Sark: ssh sessions take probably 30-40 seconds to initiate. that's the most obvious sign it's an old machine. |
| 02:28.03 | Sark | PhotoJim: the weird thing is that if I log in as root, it comes right up. |
| 02:28.07 | gasull | cantido: control sanfran-root sanfran-tmp sanfran-var sanfran-home sanfran-swap_1 sanfran-usr sda2_crypt |
| 02:28.16 | PhotoJim | abrotman: oh, I have a bunch, mostly amd64 but my server is a PIII. I just don't like doing stuff like that on my server. |
| 02:28.30 | cantido | gasull: you want to mount /dev/mapper/sanfran-root to /target then |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | PhotoJim: heck .. probably would have been faster in a vm/qemu |
| 02:28.46 | PhotoJim | Sark: it's a config issue of some sort. might be worth being logged in as root when someone else logs in, and having top or htop running to see what is going on. |
| 02:28.58 | PhotoJim | abrotman: probably true. :) |
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| 02:29.24 | Sark | PhotoJim: This box also does not have PCI. Just ISA. I'm using a CGA card driving a hacked TTL mono monitor. 3Com Etherlink III. It runs OK for some things, but damn, some things just drag it down. |
| 02:29.37 | Sark | PhotoJim: Yeah, I tried that, and you just see the bash process sitting there. |
| 02:29.50 | gasull | cantido: it worked :) |
| 02:29.54 | Sark | PhotoJim: But once the user is logged in, commands run fine. |
| 02:30.02 | cantido | Sark: if you use atop or something you should be able to see what its waiting on.. |
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| 02:30.23 | PhotoJim | Sark: I have a 3c509 in mine. Tseng Labs VGA built into the motherboard, but I don't load a video driver, I just use a text console display. it really works quite well so I'm not sure what the issue you're having is. |
| 02:30.27 | Sark | PhotoJim: Right now, I've got it runing ircII, and installing SSH. I can easily outtype the buffer in ircII by a full line or two. |
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| 02:30.39 | cantido | gasull: /dev/sda2 is going to be random encrypted junk, hence you can't just mount it ;) |
| 02:30.58 | PhotoJim | Sark: I can outtype the buffer in irssi on my 486, at times, but it catches up. and I type 120 wpm. |
| 02:31.02 | Sark | PhotoJim: Yeah, I've used really old boxen before, and I know about how fast it should be - that's why this is so shocking. |
| 02:31.18 | cantido | gasull: you might want to mount your home and var onto /target/var /target/home too, then you should be able to chroot in and do what you want |
| 02:31.24 | Sark | PhotoJim: And yes, I checked the turbo switch :) |
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| 02:31.51 | gasull | cantido: re: /dev/sda2: yes I get it :) |
| 02:32.02 | slowsark | 16.03 bogomips! Yay! |
| 02:32.02 | PhotoJim | Sark: :) hmm, not sure what to suggest. anything in the login scripts for normal users that could be an issue? |
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| 02:32.18 | PhotoJim | slowsark: now you're making me want to boot up canberra (my 486). and that takes 20 minutes. :) |
| 02:32.23 | gasull | cantido: Ok :) |
| 02:32.28 | slowsark | PhotoJim: I'm really not sure, checking things now. |
| 02:32.46 | cantido | gasull: you probably need proc etc too |
| 02:32.49 | slowsark | PhotoJim: You should! It's fun. I named mine dozer. |
| 02:33.04 | cantido | gasull: by etc I mean and so forth, not /etc ;) |
| 02:33.32 | PhotoJim | slowsark: when this half inning is over I'll turn it on. it's in the basement. Jays have the bases loaded and 1 out in the 10th :) |
| 02:33.55 | slowsark | PhotoJim: And I also have this "beastly" Altos 386 that needs a 'nix on it :) |
| 02:34.18 | PhotoJim | slowsark: you might need to run an older Debian, although in theory you can run the latest one if you compile a custom kernel. |
| 02:35.03 | PhotoJim | pitching change. I'll fire canberra up :) |
| 02:35.08 | cantido | PhotoJim: I thought recent kernels wouldn't run on an actual 386? |
| 02:36.11 | slowsark | PhotoJim: That's what I plan to do. I also need to make custom installer dissks, since it doesn't have a 3 1/2" drive. |
| 02:36.32 | gasull | cantido: I guess I don't need to mount /dev/mapper/sanfran_swap_1. Should I mount /dev/mapper/sanfran-root? |
| 02:36.49 | cantido | slowsark: compactflash adaptor is good for old machines |
| 02:37.13 | slowsark | MFM to compact flash? Don't think they have that :) |
| 02:37.20 | cantido | gasull: you shouldnt need your swap... you already mounted root to /target didnt you? |
| 02:37.25 | cantido | slowsark: it doesnt have IDE? |
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| 02:37.41 | slowsark | The 486 does, but the Altos doesn't |
| 02:37.58 | slowsark | This 486 has a 1.2 gig drive, and a 40 gig drivee :) |
| 02:38.05 | gasull | cantido: yeah. I have fish memory :) |
| 02:38.25 | PhotoJim | slowsark: oh, why no floppy? |
| 02:38.53 | PhotoJim | cantido: recent Debian ones won't. from what I understand, it's still possible to compile one. the source code supports it. not positive about that, but I recall reading it somewhere. |
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| 02:39.10 | cantido | slowsark: thats a shame, compactflash is really useful.. install debian and tinker in qemu with the CF card as an image file and then drop it into the real machine :) |
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| 02:39.21 | gasull | cantido: I just did chroot /target |
| 02:39.23 | slowsark | PhotoJim: Th 486 has both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" floppies. The Altos only has two 5 1/4" drivese (on dd, one hd) |
| 02:39.24 | PhotoJim | slowsark: mine has a 2.1G IDE and 6.0 GB IDE, and a 4.3 GB SCSI |
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| 02:39.37 | PhotoJim | slowsark: ahh. gotcha. |
| 02:39.48 | gasull | cantido: How how do I fix the problem with selinux? |
| 02:39.52 | ranix | why are you installing anything on these machines at all |
| 02:39.58 | cantido | gasull: what problem would that be? |
| 02:40.01 | ranix | are they laptops? |
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| 02:40.04 | gasull | s/How/Now |
| 02:40.07 | PhotoJim | still booting. can't ping it yet. |
| 02:40.23 | slowsark | So, yeah,I could just install a 3 1/2" drivee, but it's more fun to work with what's ther. |
| 02:40.24 | slowsark | ranix |
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| 02:40.37 | slowsark | ranix: no, desktops. It's just fun. |
| 02:40.56 | cantido | slowsark: does the nic do pxe or anything similar? |
| 02:40.57 | ranix | I don't see the attraction |
| 02:41.05 | ranix | just yank the drive and debootstrap it |
| 02:41.27 | gasull | cantido: I installed selinux, activated it, uninstalled it, and now I cannot start my system. abrotman was helping and it seems that I should reinstall selinux and its pkg for the default config |
| 02:41.57 | cantido | gasull: aptitude purge selinux && aptitude install selinux maybe |
| 02:42.04 | slowsark | cantido: I could burn a boot ROM and put it in the card if I had to. |
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| 02:42.20 | cantido | gasull: from the sound of it you've got over the top with security and broked your system ;) |
| 02:42.21 | slowsark | cantido: but floppies are far simpler and faster. |
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| 02:42.32 | ranix | !selinux |
| 02:42.32 | dpkg | [selinux] NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3, or http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 02:42.43 | cantido | slowsark: or port linux bios to it |
| 02:43.01 | klync | i'm getting a gpg key error from my mirror - just ran apt-key update, but it still says "the public key is not available" |
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| 02:43.15 | slowsark | cantido: I may be a hardware masochist, but even I have my limits. |
| 02:43.47 | gasull | cantido: yeah, I manage to break into my system :) |
| 02:44.02 | klync | i was about to dist-upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 02:44.09 | wakariera | vlc wunt show video av pinned some sources and installed an earlier version to no success |
| 02:44.14 | cantido | x86 machines are a bit boring really though.. give me an ST or Amiga or something with a shit load of mashed on hardware anyday |
| 02:44.46 | PhotoJim | cantido: I have Debian running on an Ultrasparc 1/170E :) |
| 02:45.11 | cantido | PhotoJim: I had it running on a SS20.. it was really slow. netbsd fixed that :) |
| 02:45.24 | slowsark | cantido: Yeah. I'm inclined to agree. I like weird hardware a lot more. PC stuff is asy though. |
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| 02:45.41 | cantido | PhotoJim: It was up for 2 years while I was at uni.. I think the uptime counter reset or something |
| 02:45.46 | PhotoJim | cantido: my ss20 is NetBSD, because Linux doesn't support SMP. I have dual Ross Hypersparcs and I want to use both. |
| 02:45.54 | PhotoJim | ahh, canberra replies to pings now. |
| 02:46.08 | cantido | wanted dual dual Ross Hypersparcs :( |
| 02:46.13 | wad | I'm following the documentation, and it said to make a recipient_bcc file under /etc/postfix. I did that. But the entry in main.cf is a hash type, so I get errors in the logs saying it can't find the recipient_bcc.db file. How do I generate that? |
| 02:46.17 | PhotoJim | 11 minutes so far :) |
| 02:46.24 | slowsark | I want to get Linux to run on a Prime though :) Now there's some weird hardware :) |
| 02:46.25 | PhotoJim | no sshd running yet. |
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| 02:47.34 | slowsark | Hehe. I'm still waiting for this box to generate thee kleys... |
| 02:47.55 | cantido | I want to build a small ARM machine out of some Atmel mcu something.. getting those parts in single units is difficult though :/ |
| 02:48.15 | slowsark | Grrr. Kep out-typing things. Takes a good tthirtty seconds for my typing to show up. |
| 02:48.16 | PhotoJim | my router is a tiny little Alix box running Debian. Geode CPU. but it's really just a super-fast Pentium MMX. |
| 02:48.21 | gasull | ranix: thx |
| 02:48.26 | cantido | slowsark: if it's waiting on entropy you better get tapping keys |
| 02:48.39 | PhotoJim | ssh is up. |
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| 02:48.59 | ranix | I was considering making a very small arm computer |
| 02:49.06 | ranix | but it's hard to do input on a budget |
| 02:49.09 | slowsark | PhotoJim : I think we have a new gek sport - 486 racing. |
| 02:49.13 | cantido | ranix: input? |
| 02:49.15 | ranix | I'd need to manufacture a chorded keyboard for it |
| 02:49.22 | slowsark | s/gek/geek |
| 02:49.42 | slowsark | ranix: why not use a real keyboard? |
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| 02:49.57 | ranix | slowsark: you gonna use a real keyboard when you're all wandering around |
| 02:50.07 | ranix | and if you're sitting down, you're at a desk |
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| 02:50.18 | gasull | is running aptitude purge selinux-basics selinux-policy-default && aptitude install selinux-basics selinux-policy-default |
| 02:50.19 | ranix | might as well use a real computer then |
| 02:50.36 | cantido | ranix: you can get a small samsung based arm board + 5 inch touch screen of off ebay for 100 pounds |
| 02:50.39 | slowsark | Hello PJSlow! |
| 02:50.46 | PJSlow | Well, it's working. |
| 02:50.56 | PJSlow | and it keeps up with my character input, although I'm doing it via ssh. |
| 02:50.59 | PJSlow | it's bursty though. |
| 02:50.59 | ranix | I dislike touch screens |
| 02:51.08 | PJSlow | I get ahead, and it catches up. |
| 02:51.20 | ranix | I think I've done everything that can be done with standard touch screens |
| 02:51.44 | ranix | we use a lot of Elo screens at work, they aren't really very useful for input |
| 02:51.56 | cantido | ranix: some sort of accelerometer base input then? |
| 02:52.03 | slowsark | Mine I'll get way ahead, and it trickles the characteres in one at a time, about one or two a second. |
| 02:52.07 | ranix | chorded keyboard is where it's at, imo |
| 02:52.07 | PJSlow | Actually now that the channel sync is done (took 89 seconds!) it's really zippy. |
| 02:52.12 | PJSlow | it can keep up with me easily. |
| 02:52.29 | gasull | cantido: I'm going to reboot. In the output of the command there was this msg that I think is just a warning: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 02:52.35 | ranix | what are you doing, PJSlow? |
| 02:52.40 | slowsark | Yeah, there's something really wrong with this box then. |
| 02:52.57 | slowsark | Of course, I'm still generating the DSA key |
| 02:53.00 | cantido | gasull: nothing to worry about |
| 02:53.02 | PJSlow | ranix: just seeing how my 486sx25 is performing since sark is having serious issues with the speed of his. mine is terrible compared to a modern system, but it's usable. |
| 02:53.14 | PJSlow | slowsark: well, that will cause you a major performance hit. |
| 02:53.20 | slowsark | Hehe Load average just went over 2.1 |
| 02:53.22 | ranix | I have a usable pentium 133 |
| 02:53.30 | gasull | cantido: is ctrl-alt-del fine now? I'm so scared in this moment :) |
| 02:53.40 | klync | checks topic |
| 02:53.42 | cantido | gasull: exit the chroot and reboot |
| 02:53.53 | PJSlow | ranix: my router was a Pentium 133 up until a few weeks ago. it is still in running order but it's off to a new home soon. |
| 02:54.00 | gasull | cantido: ok |
| 02:54.25 | ranix | PJSlow: I've been using a Linksys WRT for ages |
| 02:54.29 | ranix | even got one for work |
| 02:54.37 | gasull | is rebooting and holding breath... |
| 02:54.46 | cantido | runnig debian on a wrt is an experience.. |
| 02:54.57 | nsadmin | ctrl alt del ought to trigger a whole shutdown sequence |
| 02:55.02 | PJSlow | ranix: I just use my WRT as an AP. I got better routing performance with a P133 than I did with the WRT. |
| 02:55.23 | nsadmin | wart? ap? |
| 02:56.52 | PJSlow | WRT is a series of WiFi routers by Linksys. AP = access point. |
| 02:56.52 | nsadmin | remembers using a p75 as a t1 router |
| 02:56.52 | nsadmin | will wrts run linux? |
| 02:57.07 | gasull | cantido: it rebooted :) I got a popup in Gnome saying: Internal error failed to initialize HAL! |
| 02:57.19 | cantido | nsadmin: the earlier ones ran linux out of the box |
| 02:57.19 | PJSlow | nsadmin: some do. the WRT54GL is the best model. |
| 02:57.39 | cantido | nsadmin: the newer ones are vxWorks and don't really have enough flash for linux |
| 02:58.02 | nsadmin | what's a reasonable street price for it? does it come with a wireless? |
| 02:58.08 | cantido | gasull: thats anyother issue, your machine boots now, so its better than it was |
| 02:58.18 | gasull | cantido: and I have no internet |
| 02:58.29 | gasull | cantido: yes it's way better |
| 02:58.29 | cantido | nsadmin: they aren't expensive there are better devices out there |
| 02:58.34 | PJSlow | nsadmin: 802.11g, and ~$55 US |
| 02:58.35 | gasull | cantido: thanks a lot |
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| 02:58.48 | cantido | nsadmin: if you google openwrt and look at their supported hardware page you can get a feel of whats about |
| 02:59.04 | gasull | cantido: i'll ask the guys in #selinux now |
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| 02:59.13 | nsadmin | what cpu is it? ar,m? |
| 02:59.14 | alanscherger | my employer currently has a library of pdf's and chm files and i was wondering if it would be possible to build an online viewer for these documents |
| 02:59.20 | cantido | gasull: is there any reason you've installed all this stuff? |
| 02:59.32 | cantido | nsadmin: broadcom mips |
| 02:59.33 | klync | folks, any idea why i'm getting this gpg error when i run apt-get update? it's saying "There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B" |
| 02:59.53 | cantido | alanscherger: sounds like a php project |
| 03:00.03 | adb | !key |
| 03:00.03 | dpkg | [key] Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 03:00.12 | adb | klync: ^^ |
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| 03:00.19 | klync | adb: thx :) |
| 03:00.31 | alanscherger | i know.. i tried joining the php chatroom and got bumped to overflow |
| 03:00.35 | PJSlow | nsadmin: yup, an ARM CPU of some sort. there is info on the hardware at the OpenWRT site. |
| 03:00.45 | cantido | PJSlow: not the wrt |
| 03:01.08 | cantido | PJSlow: WRT is a broadcom MIPS + Switch lump |
| 03:01.21 | PJSlow | oh, I stand corrected then. |
| 03:01.49 | nsadmin | gasull how much ram does yours have? |
| 03:02.16 | cantido | it'll run debian mipsel with a bit of work ;) |
| 03:02.41 | PJSlow | I decided it was too tight to run stuff easily so I got the Alix box. 256 MB of RAM, much roomier. |
| 03:02.42 | nsadmin | what does it use for storage |
| 03:02.50 | cantido | nsadmin: its flash |
| 03:03.08 | adb | cantido: lemote.com sell debian mipsel |
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| 03:03.46 | nsadmin | you mean the os? or the device with the os loaded on it? |
| 03:03.49 | gasull | nsadmin: 1.5 GB |
| 03:03.53 | nsadmin | wow |
| 03:04.04 | gasull | nsadmin: why? |
| 03:04.15 | nsadmin | how much did it cost if you don;'t mind me asking? |
| 03:04.31 | nsadmin | I need to replace my router with something |
| 03:04.32 | PJSlow | Switching to PhotoJim... this 486 needs the RAM to do its update :) |
| 03:04.33 | cantido | nsadmin: the WRT doesn't have 1.5GB of ram.. the max is 32MB |
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| 03:04.48 | PJSlow | I think mine has 32 MB. not positive. definitely not more. |
| 03:04.50 | cantido | nsadmin: most of them have ~4MB of flash |
| 03:04.53 | PJSlow | <- now PhotoJim |
| 03:06.29 | cantido | nsadmin: http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware.html |
| 03:07.09 | nsadmin | does he mean he has 1.5g of flash? |
| 03:07.45 | luckylucy | _netr_ServerAuthenticate2: failed to get machine password for account shelby$: NT_STATUS_NO_TRUST_SAM_ACCOUNT. i have added the user shelby via smbpassword, but no luck. i have the shares visible now, so i have made progress, but this error persists and the connection is very slow. |
| 03:08.18 | cantido | WRT350N looks good - 500Mhz Arm9, all the rest are >300Mhz mips |
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| 03:10.32 | nsadmin | does the ipmasq package work on it? |
| 03:10.56 | owen1 | how to open xterm in defined pixels? i know xterm -geometry 80x25 & is number of characters and not pixels. |
| 03:10.58 | cantido | nsadmin: openwrt has all the bits you need to do masq.. |
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| 03:11.58 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 03:12.28 | man_in_ltop | are there any apps for setting posix capabilities on processes? |
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| 03:14.25 | maxagaz | hi |
| 03:14.44 | maxagaz | how to check if a port is listening on a machine / |
| 03:14.46 | maxagaz | ? |
| 03:14.56 | maxagaz | on a distant machine |
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| 03:15.15 | cantido | maxagaz: you mean like a portscanner? |
| 03:16.45 | jpinx | judd: versions nx |
| 03:16.45 | judd | jpinx: nx -- |
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| 03:17.11 | iluminator101 | my partition table is corrupted how can i recover it |
| 03:17.13 | streuner__ | nx isnt in debian, IIRC |
| 03:17.13 | man_in_ltop | there is netstat |
| 03:17.17 | man_in_ltop | iluminator101, gpart |
| 03:17.30 | iluminator101 | gpart says unallocated |
| 03:17.32 | jpinx | streuner__: no - that's what I'm finding:( |
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| 03:17.46 | man_in_ltop | iluminator101, not gparted, gpart |
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| 03:24.09 | maxagaz | cantido, i have the ip of a machine, i want to test if a given port is listening on it |
| 03:24.33 | luckylucy | telnet to the port |
| 03:24.47 | cantido | maxagaz: doing something you shouldn't be? |
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| 03:25.02 | maxagaz | luckylucy, and to have the list of ports listening ? |
| 03:25.24 | luckylucy | need a scanner, there are ones online. i don't know of one you can install. |
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| 03:25.38 | stew | maxagaz: can you run commands on a shell on that machine? |
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| 03:26.06 | Supermiguel | any of u guys use gentoo? |
| 03:26.23 | luckylucy | Rejecting auth request from client SHELBY machine account SHELBY$ this is a samba error, #samba is dead, please help if you can. |
| 03:26.23 | danilom | hi i recently changes to sid, but now in xfce i dont see the icons all appear like a "paper" |
| 03:26.28 | cantido | Supermiguel: yes, we use gentoo but choose to hang out in #debian |
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| 03:27.04 | iluminator101 | Does anyone a cheap cheap linux webhosting that they personally used and found it reliable? |
| 03:27.29 | Supermiguel | iluminator101, ur self :P |
| 03:27.38 | danilom | iluminator101, godaddy is cheap |
| 03:27.44 | maxagaz | stew, no, i can't |
| 03:27.59 | maxagaz | stew, it's not a computer, just a machine with an ip |
| 03:28.08 | iluminator101 | my friend say go daddys sucks dont waste your money, and he used it |
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| 03:28.29 | umarzuki | hi, does postgres 8.3 on lenny support IDN? |
| 03:28.46 | cantido | iluminator101: one of the webhosting forums is probably a better place to ask |
| 03:28.47 | danilom | iluminator101, i think USERS suck i really dont find any problem |
| 03:28.57 | danilom | iluminator101, and im a newbie in godaddy |
| 03:29.00 | luckylucy | i use it, it's fine. |
| 03:29.13 | danilom | in a night buy a hosting and setup a oscommerce |
| 03:29.13 | Supermiguel | iluminator101, godaddy is fine :) |
| 03:29.45 | stew | they are fine for domain registration if you have a large tollerence for advertisement, for hosting they are horrible |
| 03:29.47 | luckylucy | people who complain want to run their own webserver, but don't want to run their own webserver. if you know what i mean. |
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| 03:31.32 | jpinx | iluminator101: I use zoneedit for domain reg and DNS, and freehosting.net for the rest |
| 03:31.51 | luckylucy | Rejecting auth request from client SHELBY machine account SHELBY$ this is a samba error, #samba is dead, please help if you can. |
| 03:31.57 | jpinx | iluminator101: both cheaper than godaddy and much better |
| 03:33.16 | neuro_damage | I'm still trying to follow this I'm stuck at trying to use the ./rules binary_modules |
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| 03:34.16 | danilom | hi anyone can help me, i change form testing to sid, in xfce and now all the icons appears as the same (mp3, documents, movies with the same icon) |
| 03:34.47 | xshad | danilom, have you tried to change your icon theme? If not, try it :) |
| 03:35.40 | xshad | yay guys, is there anything I could use to play dvds now? my libdvdread just drop a message "Encrypted DVD support unavailable." and "Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO)." for ANY dvd I try now :( |
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| 03:36.20 | xshad | then "Can't open VMG info!" followed by "No stream found to handle url dvd://" and the player exits |
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| 03:38.09 | neuro_damage | ok how about this how do I change my gcc version that I'm using to build things? |
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| 03:40.11 | umarzuki | how do i enable idn for postgres ql-8.3 on lenny? |
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| 03:47.28 | xshad | neuro_damage, using Mafiles, you'd set something like this: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-MY_COOL_GCC_VERSION" |
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| 03:47.39 | umarzuki | neuro_damage, export CC=/path |
| 03:47.43 | xshad | or unlink then ln -s your gcc version |
| 03:47.49 | umarzuki | if i'm not mistaken |
| 03:48.13 | xshad | umarzuki, and CXX (I think) |
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| 03:49.03 | jpinx | judd: versions freenx |
| 03:49.04 | judd | jpinx: freenx -- |
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| 03:49.28 | neuro_damage | umarzuki: yup yup thanks, I got the dpkg -i nvidia-.deb binary sources build according to the wiki off google search "nvidia debian" |
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| 03:49.58 | neuro_damage | umarzuki: was hoping there was a tool available to do that, again wouldn't I break applications too? or would I have to rebuild anything? |
| 03:51.20 | umarzuki | neuro_damage, beats me too |
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| 03:52.31 | neuro_damage | what package is glxinfo part of? |
| 03:53.27 | craigevil | mesa-utils |
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| 04:00.15 | jpinx | anyone know how to connect a remote desktop session to a mac box? |
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| 04:01.17 | jpinx | I'm using rdesktop from lenny to Windows boxes, but now I need something to allow the same in mac OS |
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| 04:01.56 | jpinx | I mean *to* mac OS boxes that I want to connect to |
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| 04:04.44 | danilom | some cool image viewer for debian xfce? |
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| 04:05.45 | SuperMiguel | how do u install the nvidia drivers in debian? |
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| 04:07.48 | superlinux | hi |
| 04:08.04 | superlinux | which package should let me download all kde? |
| 04:08.39 | SuperMiguel | kde-desktop |
| 04:08.43 | superlinux | ok |
| 04:08.59 | craigevil | superlinux: if you want everything including the kitchen sink the kde meta-package |
| 04:09.28 | superlinux | ok |
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| 04:09.32 | superlinux | thanks' |
| 04:09.56 | jigp | superMiguel : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ |
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| 04:10.11 | neuro_damage | ok me is happy got Nvidia 3d acceleration working :) |
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| 04:17.22 | deco | before i install iceweasel from backports do i have to remove my current iceweasel ? |
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| 04:19.52 | SuperMiguel | whats the name of the nvidia configuration tool? |
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| 04:21.41 | up365 | you mean nvidia x server settings ? |
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| 04:21.59 | SuperMiguel | up365, yes |
| 04:22.11 | wakariera | wouldnt you just nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:22.26 | wakariera | wat d u mean super |
| 04:22.38 | SuperMiguel | how do u install it :P |
| 04:22.40 | SuperMiguel | ? |
| 04:23.05 | up365 | it's part of the nvidia install .run pkg |
| 04:23.18 | wakariera | ya it is read http://linux.die.net/man/1/nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:24.26 | up365 | SuperMiguel, when you're all done you end up with a nifty icon |
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| 04:25.49 | smacnay | I just replaced a borked mobo with a new mobo/processor that is 64-bit. Am I wise to install a 64-bit distro? |
| 04:26.35 | neuro_damage | /win bal |
| 04:26.48 | up365 | 32 will work as well or better with the majority of programs and is probably recommended |
| 04:27.09 | neuro_damage | smacnay: I would say heck yeah use 64 bit anything linux, not windows though :P |
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| 04:27.27 | neuro_damage | there's 32 application support for those things in the userland for ya to get through and everything is supported |
| 04:27.43 | smacnay | neuro_damage: Are things like vid drivers (nvidia) going to work? |
| 04:27.57 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: most everything has 64bit versions nowadays |
| 04:28.00 | neuro_damage | smacnay: yup, just got done installing them :) |
| 04:28.13 | neuro_damage | smacnay: now I'm installing Wow,heh |
| 04:28.14 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: if you're using > 1G of memory, there's pretty much no reason not to use amd64 |
| 04:28.16 | smacnay | neuro_damage: With the deb installer? |
| 04:28.25 | neuro_damage | smacnay: and the direct rendering/3d acceleration is good to go |
| 04:28.53 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: This is an intel chipset, I believe. |
| 04:28.59 | neuro_damage | smacnay: well you have the following documentation, since debian is all about non-proprietary stuff you get the Xorg nv driver installed by default, but you have to install the nvidia binaries to get the 3d acceleration |
| 04:29.28 | neuro_damage | smacnay: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 04:29.31 | smacnay | neuro_damage: I have done the nvidia drivers on my previous systems using m-a a-i nvidia. |
| 04:30.01 | smacnay | neuro_damage: so there are 64 bit nvidia drivers? |
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| 04:30.50 | neuro_damage | smacnay: yes, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
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| 04:34.33 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: seems this new system will have 4 gig of ram but I am guessing that it will be sharing some with the nvidia card that is in the box. |
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| 04:41.49 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: what is the intel ia-64 install for? |
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| 04:44.35 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: for IA64 machines |
| 04:45.31 | smacnay | ah, I am reading the stickers on this used machine and see that it is an Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200... so I would need the AMD64 debian? |
| 04:46.02 | hoo-hah | hi guys. are there linux tools to browse (as client) ldap server? |
| 04:46.04 | nsadmin | no, but you can use that, you can also use i386 |
| 04:46.08 | hoo-hah | ideally, no java |
| 04:46.19 | craigevil | java works in 64bit |
| 04:46.28 | hoo-hah | I don't use gnome or kde or other |
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| 04:47.50 | deco | what's the link to see the log of this channel? |
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| 04:50.26 | dondelelcaro | hoo-hah: ldapsearch et al. |
| 04:54.08 | ajavid | !debstats |
| 04:54.08 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 04:55.02 | ajavid | !irclog |
| 04:55.02 | dpkg | somebody said irclog was #debian is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/, or for freenode |
| 04:55.19 | smacnay | For a Dual-Core processor (Intel Pentium E5200) would I want the AMD-64 install? |
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| 04:55.44 | ajavid | smacnay, does it support em64t? |
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| 04:56.44 | smacnay | ajavid: I am not sure - how can I tell? |
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| 04:57.11 | ajavid | http://processorfinder.intel.com |
| 04:57.32 | ajavid | http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAY7 |
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| 04:57.39 | ajavid | Intel® EM64T 1 |
| 04:57.46 | ajavid | smacnay, you can use amd64 just fine. |
| 04:58.24 | deco | thanks ajavid thanks , i checked backports and they don't have iceweasel :P, so i guess ill have to make my own backport |
| 04:58.34 | ajavid | yup |
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| 04:58.49 | deco | ajavid: and for that i download the source from sid sources right? |
| 04:58.49 | ajavid | deco, you may need to backport xulrunner 1.9 as well |
| 04:58.57 | deco | ajavid: oh |
| 04:59.06 | ajavid | deco, no matter |
| 04:59.17 | smacnay | ajavid: thanks - that helps a lot. |
| 04:59.23 | ajavid | deco, /msg dpkg ssb, follow it for iceweasel, dpkg -i will let you know |
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| 04:59.52 | deco | ajavid: thanks! |
| 04:59.54 | smacnay | ajavid: do you know if the module-assistant will install the nvidia 64 driver or must I d/l that from nvidia's site? |
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| 05:00.08 | ajavid | deco, it will generate 4 iceweasel .deb pacakes, only need 1 |
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| 05:00.21 | hoo-hah | dondelelcaro: would you happen to know of any gui offerings? |
| 05:00.23 | ajavid | the main one, rest are options |
| 05:00.24 | hoo-hah | preferably gtk |
| 05:00.39 | ajavid | smacnay, no experience with that, I don't recommend nvidia binary driver |
| 05:00.43 | ajavid | smacnay, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 05:01.24 | deco | ajavid:do i remove the current iceweasel first or does it not matter? |
| 05:01.29 | ajavid | don't remove it |
| 05:01.33 | deco | k |
| 05:01.36 | ajavid | it gets upgraded |
| 05:01.45 | deco | looking for the sid source list now |
| 05:02.31 | ajavid | deco, just go to /etc/apt/sources.list and copy your line over, change deb to deb-src and lenny to sid, update and apt-get build-dep iceweasel; apt-get -b source iceweasel; dpkg -i the resulting .deb |
| 05:02.58 | deco | ajavid: so i over ride the current lenny source ? |
| 05:03.01 | ajavid | no |
| 05:03.03 | ajavid | here |
| 05:03.30 | deco | ajavid: ah missed the copy your line over |
| 05:03.55 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/39349/ |
| 05:04.06 | ajavid | oops dangit wrong one |
| 05:04.31 | ajavid | deb-src http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:04.37 | ajavid | just add this line somewhere in your sources.list |
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| 05:04.55 | deco | ajavid: ok |
| 05:05.03 | ajavid | use your own mirror of course |
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| 05:05.09 | ajavid | closest to you, whatever |
| 05:05.24 | wakariera | my current iceweasel doesn work with some addons for some reason |
| 05:05.38 | ajavid | wakariera, some addons may require 3.5 firefox |
| 05:05.52 | ajavid | wakariera, for example, firebug won't work on 3.0 anymore |
| 05:06.35 | ajavid | wakariera, also, what is the trouble? if it doesn't let you install an addon, go to about:config, change the useragent string from Iceweasel to Firefox |
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| 05:06.56 | ajavid | wakariera, actually without doing this, you can't even install google toolbar, its sad |
| 05:07.13 | StuckMojo | anyone know what the replacement for kcontrol is? the package is gone in testing and unstable...and i'd like to configure my fonts for my qt apps... |
| 05:07.20 | ajavid | systemsettings |
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| 05:07.32 | ajavid | judd version systemsettings |
| 05:07.33 | judd | ajavid: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 05:07.39 | ajavid | judd versions systemsettings |
| 05:07.40 | judd | ajavid: systemsettings -- lenny: 4.1.0-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.2-2 sid: 4:4.2.4-1+b1 |
| 05:07.43 | StuckMojo | ajavid: thanks |
| 05:07.45 | ajavid | np |
| 05:08.12 | StuckMojo | wow, no deps to download either |
| 05:08.13 | wakariera | thanks ajavid |
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| 05:08.21 | ajavid | np |
| 05:08.21 | StuckMojo | must have been because i previously had kdevelop installed |
| 05:08.49 | StuckMojo | yeah the font in skype looks like garbagio |
| 05:09.05 | StuckMojo | qtconfig wasn't cutting it because it only lets you specify a single font |
| 05:09.10 | ajavid | unfortunately skuype is not supported here |
| 05:09.13 | ajavid | you're on your own. |
| 05:09.45 | wakariera | should i try dist upgrading iceweasel? |
| 05:09.55 | StuckMojo | no no, that part i found out fine. the prob was it's a qt app and i had only configured the main font for qt, rather than all the other various sized fonts |
| 05:09.59 | ajavid | wakariera, no |
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| 05:10.10 | ajavid | wakariera, are you on stable debian lenny? |
| 05:10.21 | ajavid | wakariera, what is the problem? |
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| 05:10.50 | wakariera | ya am on stable lenny |
| 05:11.19 | ajavid | then dist-upgrade wont' do nothing |
| 05:11.29 | ajavid | lenny has .6 while latest stable is .11 |
| 05:11.35 | wakariera | ya av just noticed |
| 05:11.45 | ajavid | which addons are not working? |
| 05:11.51 | StuckMojo | aha! also antialiasing wasn't enabled |
| 05:12.06 | StuckMojo | woot! much better. thanks again ajavid |
| 05:12.08 | wakariera | it was just one morning coffee |
| 05:12.27 | ajavid | wakariera, no idea what it does, never used it |
| 05:12.41 | ajavid | wakariera, what are the requirements for this addon? are you able to install it? |
| 05:12.59 | wakariera | lemmi restart al tell you |
| 05:14.03 | umarzuki | how to generate a dnskey with dnssec-keygen? |
| 05:14.21 | wakariera | ya am able to install it |
| 05:14.38 | ajavid | wakariera, hmm., try irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 05:14.39 | ajavid | :/ |
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| 05:16.10 | kgoetz | would it be considered a bug that cdebootstrap doesnt have a build-dep on automake and it doesnt automatically update its config/Makefile.in? |
| 05:16.18 | wakariera | ya the problem i was downloadin the wrong version of it * Firefox: 2.0b1 – 3.1b3 |
| 05:16.18 | wakariera | Updating to work with FF 3.1b3. |
| 05:16.31 | wakariera | al is well now |
| 05:16.42 | ham5 | 3.5b99 is out |
| 05:17.06 | superlinux | The_faithful: hi |
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| 05:17.34 | ham5 | just fyi, there has been 2 releases since then, 3.5b replacing the 3.1b |
| 05:19.10 | wakariera | wats new in those |
| 05:19.17 | nsadmin | kgoetz: debootstrap's purpose is not to support building... I don't see why it needs it... you're probably thinking of a different way to use it |
| 05:19.52 | deco | ajavid: downloading the sources now... if anything else is needed like you said xulrunner it will let me know wnen i try to run it right? |
| 05:20.44 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: nope |
| 05:21.00 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro, ok. |
| 05:21.21 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: unless you modify what is distributed, it's not necessary to rebuild that |
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| 05:22.13 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro, fair enough. I found it a bit strange that it didnt have a build-dep, but assuming someone changing the package knws what their doing is fair enough |
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| 05:24.25 | deco | compiling ^^ |
| 05:24.34 | ajavid | deco, yes |
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| 05:25.18 | wakariera | how comes these days i never really get to compile kernels i loved watchn th machine grind late into the night |
| 05:25.29 | deco | ajavid: i take back what i said about konqueror, i gave it a nother try and it's awesome :P |
| 05:25.37 | deco | another* |
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| 05:26.23 | deco | ajavid: it's done , now where are the debs ? |
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| 05:33.12 | ham5 | I compile mine |
| 05:33.27 | ham5 | good 10-15minutes to build, I wouldent say 'late into the night' |
| 05:33.44 | deco | ham5: you know where debs are , after the source is compiled? |
| 05:33.59 | ham5 | I dont make debs |
| 05:34.28 | ham5 | so, im not sure, im sure where ever u build it from |
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| 05:34.43 | deco | ham5: oh, i just made a deb but i don't know here it is being kept i build it from sid source |
| 05:35.17 | umarzuki | updatedb, locate that-deb-file-name.deb |
| 05:35.58 | wakariera | i made a deb some time back after i was convinced tht was th only way to make wireless work and it took some time |
| 05:36.04 | ham5 | locate, a unix command? |
| 05:36.43 | umarzuki | as far as i know, i use it to find stuff |
| 05:36.52 | umarzuki | in my system ofcourse |
| 05:36.54 | ham5 | yea its pretty nice |
| 05:37.05 | ham5 | curious where it came from |
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| 05:37.48 | deco | umarzuki: i don't really understand the command you gave me |
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| 05:39.40 | ham5 | deco, sure your not a noobtu user? |
| 05:39.56 | umarzuki | locate; locate myfile.deb |
| 05:39.57 | d1b | ham5: ...? |
| 05:40.02 | d1b | !help |
| 05:40.03 | umarzuki | run that as root |
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| 05:40.29 | deco | umarzuki: oh k sorry it's very late here:P |
| 05:40.57 | wakariera | id think it is now mlocate |
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| 05:47.49 | ajavid | deco, they would be in the current directory you issued the apt-get commands in |
| 05:48.01 | ajavid | deco, whats the problem? |
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| 05:50.25 | superlinux | i am looking for a sticker similar to "intel inside" for debian, so where do you think it's best to get it? |
| 05:51.07 | umarzuki | i found some on debianart |
| 05:51.24 | umarzuki | not actually 'some' |
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| 05:52.10 | superlinux | ok |
| 05:52.16 | superlinux | same size |
| 05:52.19 | superlinux | same size?? |
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| 06:00.19 | superlinux | umarzuki: thanks, i asked the #slug |
| 06:01.25 | superlinux | http://shop.cafepress.com.au/debian |
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| 06:03.56 | owen1 | -rwsr-xr-x what does the s means? |
| 06:05.56 | gasull | owen1: Domain socket |
| 06:05.59 | gasull | owen1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions#Notation_of_traditional_Unix_permissions |
| 06:06.25 | dondelelcaro | uh... no. it means u+s |
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| 06:07.08 | gasull | dondelelcaro: you are right |
| 06:07.19 | dondelelcaro | srwxrwxrwx would be a socket |
| 06:07.22 | owen1 | i am reading about suid now |
| 06:07.39 | owen1 | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root utmp |
| 06:07.44 | dondelelcaro | owen1: generally speaking, you shouldn't need to set setuid ever. |
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| 06:07.47 | gasull | owen1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions#Symbolic_notation_and_additional_permission |
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| 06:08.09 | owen1 | unless i want multiuser screen session (-: |
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| 06:08.40 | dondelelcaro | owen1: if you want multi-user screen sessions, the people in on it should be able to sudo to that user |
| 06:09.18 | owen1 | i didn't understand you. |
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| 06:12.06 | dondelelcaro | owen1: see /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian.gz |
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| 06:13.15 | owen1 | ok. i followed this guide http://interblah.net/multi-user-gnu-screen and was curious about the security issues of sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/screen |
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| 06:16.18 | dondelelcaro | owen1: well, that guide is wrong, unfortunatly. See the documentation I just pointed you at |
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| 06:16.38 | dondelelcaro | (not totally wrong, but just not correct for Debian. You need to use dpkg-statoverride) |
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| 06:18.11 | hajoucha | hi, after installing debina lenny on my server, the names of drives changed. It is very confusing and I would like to change the order (sda, sdb...) to be the same as it was during isntallation. How can I achieve that? |
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| 06:19.41 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:21.13 | \amethyst | these days wouldn't it be theoretically possible to control access with filesystem ACLs (e.g. :setacl calls setfacl) so that you didn't need suid root for multiuser support? |
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| 06:21.50 | luckylucy | nmblookup fails from client server to client and primary domain controller (pdc), how can i fix this...works on (pdc) for both client and pdc |
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| 06:24.32 | luckylucy | name_query failed to find name |
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| 06:26.46 | \amethyst | oh, no, it has to be able to run as the target user to send signals |
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| 06:33.48 | luckylucy | ok, if i can get nmblookup of some but not other network computers, why would this be? |
| 06:33.58 | luckylucy | hi \amethyst |
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| 06:39.00 | umarzuki | hi do you guys know any registrar program that supports IDN? |
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| 06:47.27 | SPF | question about debian-sys-maint, how can I import a mysql database without overwriting the debian-sys-maint user? |
| 06:48.30 | SPF | is there a command for it like mysqldump -u root -p --all-databases --exclude-debian-sys-maint ? |
| 06:49.26 | jigp | hello guys is there a way to adjust my time?Adjust date and time even preferences has no option that you could change whether AM or PM.its PM here but the clock is AM |
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| 06:51.26 | FoxBlitzz | jigp: Why not just use automatic time synchronization? |
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| 06:51.37 | FoxBlitzz | jigp: sudo apt-get install ntp |
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| 06:52.03 | FoxBlitzz | jigp: Besides, the question you're asking depends on the desktop environment |
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| 07:02.44 | WormFood | Do any of you guys know python, and want to make a simple hack to a python program for me? (probably be included in the official release if you submit the patch to the developer)...I just don't have time to spend 3 hours to do a 5 minute hack |
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| 07:06.41 | WormFood | I've never touched python before, but I imagine I could do it myself....if i spent the time to learn python....also I can't imagine this hack taking more than 5-10 minutes for even a beginner python programmer. |
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| 07:07.12 | red1 | hi to all the masters of the universe here :D |
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| 07:11.27 | deco | anybody awake ? |
| 07:11.40 | hajoucha | sure |
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| 07:12.17 | rafuch0 | me too |
| 07:12.23 | WormFood | no, we're all sleeping |
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| 07:12.45 | WormFood | there are only 900 people here, and we're all in the same time zone |
| 07:12.45 | rafuch0 | sleeping is for losers ;) |
| 07:12.46 | gades | deco, i'm awake |
| 07:12.55 | WormFood | I can sleep when I'm dead |
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| 07:13.03 | WormFood | it is 3:15 pm here |
| 07:13.26 | rafuch0 | here is 00:00 |
| 07:13.27 | WormFood | Do any of you guys know python, and want to make a simple hack to a python program for me? (probably be included in the official release if you submit the patch to the developer). |
| 07:13.27 | hajoucha | 9:14 am here :) |
| 07:13.40 | gades | it is 2:13 am here |
| 07:13.48 | deco___ | it's 12:13 am here too:P |
| 07:13.53 | deco___ | gades: where are you from? |
| 07:14.06 | gades | deco___, from Panama |
| 07:14.20 | deco___ | gades: oh you said 2 thought it was 12 |
| 07:14.37 | rafuch0 | i am bored |
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| 07:15.36 | gades | deco, no |
| 07:16.02 | deco___ | anyone know if a backport made by himself will update to a new version or will i have compile each time i want a new version ? |
| 07:16.04 | WormFood | I'm guessing rafuch0 is on the west coast of usa/canada |
| 07:16.04 | WormFood | I bet his clock is wrong too |
| 07:16.04 | WormFood | bets rafuch0's clock is an hour fast. |
| 07:16.17 | gades | its 2:15am her and counting |
| 07:16.23 | gades | *here |
| 07:19.03 | rafuch0 | i am happy finally myt hand heal i was using a tutor :( |
| 07:19.51 | deco___ | rafuch0: what happened to your hand? |
| 07:20.27 | rafuch0 | i broke the hand skating |
| 07:20.52 | deco___ | rafuch0: ouch :-( my injured my pinky pretty bad |
| 07:20.55 | rafuch0 | i was doing a nosegrind when i fly out the box and PAAA 2 bones broken |
| 07:20.58 | deco___ | i injured* |
| 07:21.05 | deco___ | ouch |
| 07:21.11 | rafuch0 | yeap it sucks |
| 07:21.17 | rafuch0 | but finally heal |
| 07:21.42 | deco___ | rafuch0: awesome, my pinky still needs healing , i can't play guitar properly :-( |
| 07:21.43 | rafuch0 | try to wipe your ass whit the left hand is no easy task |
| 07:21.50 | deco___ | lol |
| 07:22.40 | deco___ | im guessing after you're done , you will need another shower lol |
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| 07:24.23 | rafuch0 | of course ... |
| 07:24.30 | rafuch0 | :D |
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| 07:26.28 | milligan_ | /usr/local/lib/libfreeradius-radius-2.2.0.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped | --- | export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local:/usr/local/lib | --- | radiusd: error while loading shared libraries: libfreeradius-radius-2.2.0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <- Why ? |
| 07:26.31 | WormFood | Do any of you guys know python, and want to make a simple hack to a python program for me? (probably be included in the official release if you submit the patch to the developer). |
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| 07:31.58 | tingle | hi, i want to give debian a try but im not sure what kind of image i should download. i got a core 2 duo cpu should i got for i386 or ia64? |
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| 07:32.45 | xshadowfire | neither |
| 07:32.51 | xshadowfire | you need amd64 |
| 07:33.16 | tingle | ok, so that doesnt have anything to do whit amd processor then? |
| 07:33.22 | xshadowfire | nope |
| 07:33.44 | tingle | ok thanks |
| 07:33.47 | xshadowfire | I still don't know why debian calls it amd64, most other distros call it x86_64 |
| 07:33.49 | xshadowfire | <___< |
| 07:33.55 | tingle | ^^ |
| 07:34.57 | tingle | xshadowfire: is there really a advance by using amd64 instead of i368? |
| 07:35.09 | xshadowfire | yes |
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| 07:35.22 | valan | also no, but mostly yes |
| 07:35.32 | tingle | hehe also no :)? |
| 07:35.37 | xshadowfire | why would you use 32bit applications on a 64bit processor |
| 07:35.51 | valan | NOT using 64 bit on a capable cpu is, imo, holding back the advancement of technology |
| 07:35.58 | tingle | 1,60 GHz Intel® Core. Duo processor T2050 met Intel® Centrino® Duo Mobile-technologie |
| 07:36.03 | tingle | i got this cpu |
| 07:36.06 | dmoerner | how much ram do you have? |
| 07:36.13 | xshadowfire | dmoerner: who cares |
| 07:36.17 | tingle | 2048 |
| 07:36.21 | dmoerner | with 1gb the larger registers of 64-bit will not be worth it |
| 07:36.24 | dmoerner | produces more overhead |
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| 07:36.34 | xshadowfire | well clearly he has more than 1gb |
| 07:36.35 | xshadowfire | ;) |
| 07:36.39 | tingle | ;x |
| 07:37.07 | tingle | could someone verivy that ive got the right cpu for amd64? i pasted it a couple lines back |
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| 07:37.12 | alexhq | Is there something like Evernote for KDE4? |
| 07:37.14 | xshadowfire | yes you do |
| 07:37.18 | tingle | ok thanks |
| 07:37.41 | tingle | then ill start downloading the amd64 netinst |
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| 07:37.59 | xshadowfire | are you on a laptop |
| 07:38.06 | xshadowfire | wait centrino dur |
| 07:38.14 | tingle | not right now but its gonne be installed on a laptop yes |
| 07:38.20 | tingle | the dv5237ea HPO |
| 07:38.20 | valan | i think that's a 32 bit cpu |
| 07:38.26 | xshadowfire | valan: no it's not |
| 07:38.30 | tingle | s/HPO/HP/ |
| 07:38.30 | xshadowfire | all core cpus are 64 bit |
| 07:38.31 | xshadowfire | :S |
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| 07:38.47 | valan | wrong |
| 07:38.54 | valan | all core 2 cpus are 64 bit |
| 07:39.03 | xshadowfire | wait |
| 07:39.06 | xshadowfire | derp |
| 07:39.11 | xshadowfire | he said core 2 duo earlier! |
| 07:39.13 | xshadowfire | ;___; |
| 07:39.20 | valan | that's 32 bit cpu |
| 07:39.25 | valan | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27231 |
| 07:39.27 | xshadowfire | k I lied |
| 07:39.27 | xshadowfire | lol |
| 07:39.30 | valan | per intel's web site |
| 07:39.37 | xshadowfire | tingle: i386 it is <_< |
| 07:39.42 | tingle | so its not really a core 2 duo then? |
| 07:39.47 | xshadowfire | nope |
| 07:39.48 | valan | no it's not |
| 07:39.50 | xshadowfire | you have a core solo |
| 07:39.52 | xshadowfire | it's not even dual core |
| 07:39.53 | xshadowfire | -3- |
| 07:39.58 | tingle | hm weird |
| 07:40.01 | xshadowfire | or |
| 07:40.02 | xshadowfire | wait |
| 07:40.03 | tingle | but i have two cpus |
| 07:40.05 | xshadowfire | no still lying |
| 07:40.08 | tingle | xd |
| 07:40.09 | xshadowfire | ignore me I suck cocks |
| 07:40.09 | valan | it's dual core |
| 07:40.13 | xshadowfire | I should learn to scroll down |
| 07:40.22 | xshadowfire | leaves and lets valan clean up |
| 07:40.26 | valan | heh |
| 07:40.28 | tingle | nps xshadowfire youre trying to help :) |
| 07:40.45 | tingle | so its called a duo core and its 32 bits? |
| 07:40.55 | valan | yep |
| 07:41.02 | valan | well, core duo not duo core |
| 07:41.17 | tingle | its a older version of core 2 duo? |
| 07:41.40 | valan | yep |
| 07:41.45 | tingle | ah ok ty |
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| 07:55.44 | loco_ | hi, i had debian testing and windows dual boot install, and today i needed to reinstall windows ( again ) , so all ok, just that i lost grub (windows allways rewrites MBR), so i had in handy an ubuntu live cd, i boot, mount debian root partition, do sudo chroot partition , and try to fix grub, i get these errors, |
| 07:55.52 | loco_ | so i do update-grub and i get Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 07:55.53 | loco_ | /usr/sbin/update-grub: line 118: /dev/null: Permission denied |
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| 07:57.05 | loco_ | i also did, in chroot, mount, to see the partitions, and hda2 shows as / mounted , then i do grub-install /dev/hda2 and it says /dev/hda2: Not found or not a block device. |
| 07:57.09 | loco_ | please help |
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| 07:57.57 | loco_ | can you help me fix grub, so i can dual boot again ? |
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| 08:08.51 | danskmand | Howdy :-) - Kann mir jemand sagen wo das iptables-script auf einem Strato-Debian-server liegt ? |
| 08:09.13 | kgoetz | !de |
| 08:09.14 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 08:10.12 | luckylucy | nmblookup on primary domain controller fails to get it's own name |
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| 08:10.36 | danskmand | Oh, ok :-) - Well, I would like to know where the iptables script would be located on a debian server.... |
| 08:11.24 | kgoetz | danskmand, what script do you refer to? the iptables binary? |
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| 08:13.07 | danskmand | Well, no - more the file where all the commands are in (f.ex. "iptables -A INPUT -dport xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" and so on.. |
| 08:13.22 | xshadowfire | should be /usr/share/iptables/ |
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| 08:18.00 | SPF | I'm wondering if this is a good solution: http://geekhut.org/2009/02/fixing-mysql-debian-sys-maint-issues/ |
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| 08:28.13 | greenmang0 | SPF: what's wrong with it? |
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| 08:34.33 | SPF | greenmang0: you could've said it's a good solution |
| 08:34.55 | SPF | but your answer is sufficient |
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| 08:36.06 | greenmang0 | SPF: the only point i want to state is |
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| 08:36.47 | greenmang0 | SPF: that user is using phpmyadmin to change password... |
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| 08:37.28 | greenmang0 | SPF: there's no point in using 20MB software for just changing password |
| 08:37.42 | greenmang0 | SPF: you can change it using root privileges |
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| 08:40.48 | jigp | FoxBlitzz : its gnome environemtn |
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| 08:46.09 | famicom | apt-setup got removed from stable |
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| 08:46.29 | famicom | i can still find sources for the installer udeb, but which package has replaced this tool |
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| 08:50.01 | luckylucy | i keep getting NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS, from client samba box. please help me. |
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| 08:50.12 | SPF | greenmang0: ah yes, I could do that. Thx for the tip |
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| 08:51.41 | greenmang0 | SPF: no problem :) |
| 08:52.47 | RichiH | what application can i use to download a flv via rtmp? |
| 08:53.26 | emdete | hi, i have e freshly installed debian and find packages uswsusp, pm-utils and hibernate are installed. as i understand each implements more or less the same functionality. why are all these installed and not the one debian-recommended? |
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| 08:57.16 | sixx_ | anyone tell me howto install madwifi driver with apt ? |
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| 08:58.41 | sixx_ | i tried apt-get install madwifi-source i could modprobe the ath_pci module ....i saw madwifi source in /usr/src i dont have kernel headers |
| 08:58.43 | emdete | sixx_: module-assistant |
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| 08:59.09 | emdete | sixx_: install that and it will do the job for you :) |
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| 08:59.33 | sixx_ | apt-get install module-assistant ? |
| 08:59.44 | miniBill | when I try to issue an "apt-get install emerald" I get a "Couldn't find package emerald" error |
| 08:59.45 | emdete | yes. then start it and follow the instructions |
| 08:59.57 | sixx_ | k thanks |
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| 09:00.25 | emdete | miniBill: there /is/ no emerald... ;) |
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| 09:02.02 | miniBill | emdete: so how to install emerald decorator? |
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| 09:02.27 | emdete | miniBill: i don't even know what that is... :) can you explain? |
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| 09:03.13 | miniBill | talking about compiz: emerald is a window decorator, much like kwin |
| 09:03.52 | sixx_ | emdete, how do i get kernel headers for lenny ? |
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| 09:05.03 | emdete | sixx_: it will download all missing packages that are needed for build modules in you system |
| 09:05.20 | MoL0ToV | hi to all! I have a problem with this network interface: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) |
| 09:05.21 | emdete | miniBill: hm, i never used compiz... |
| 09:05.48 | miniBill | emdete: I'm trying it now and I find it funny & useful |
| 09:06.03 | emdete | miniBill: for funny i agree ;) |
| 09:06.13 | miniBill | emdete: useful for expo |
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| 09:06.43 | emdete | miniBill: i recently went back to the good old roots and use awesome now... :D |
| 09:07.15 | miniBill | what's awesome? an old-fashioned WM? |
| 09:07.30 | emdete | yes |
| 09:07.40 | emdete | tiled, scripted. uses xcb |
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| 09:08.25 | emdete | and incredible fast! |
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| 09:09.00 | careta | hello all |
| 09:09.20 | careta | i found a bug in evolution. should i report it upstream or through reportbug? |
| 09:09.42 | careta | (in testing) |
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| 09:12.35 | Maulkin | careta: I'd suggest reportbug |
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| 09:12.57 | careta | thanks Maulkin |
| 09:14.04 | jason_bourne | hi |
| 09:14.04 | jason_bourne | is there any one who can give me a hint where libpam-poldi moved in lenny? |
| 09:14.04 | jason_bourne | the history marked the package as removed, but has it been replaced by another package oder simply removed? |
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| 09:16.51 | sshinobi | I'm having trouble connecting to a bridged wifi macintosh using route. when I try to issue the command 'route add default gw 192.168.1.101' it says SIOCADDRT: No such process. So I drop the default tag and I get gw: unknown host. |
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| 09:17.22 | sshinobi | I'd very much appreciate any and all input :) |
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| 09:18.02 | jelly | sshinobi: do you have a route to 192.168.1.101 or 192.168.1.0/24 already set up? |
| 09:18.07 | luckylucy | i keep getting NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS, from client samba box. please help me. |
| 09:19.00 | sshinobi | I've configured ifconfig for my eth0 interface, thats about it. |
| 09:19.20 | jelly | sshinobi: pastebin the current route -n, then |
| 09:19.41 | sshinobi | ok |
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| 09:20.09 | sshinobi | Doesn't look like I have it set up. |
| 09:20.14 | sshinobi | all fields are blank. |
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| 09:23.32 | bizhat | i am on a debian server, i need to see how php is installed, if it is from source or from deb, on centos, i used to do yum list|grep php so if it is installed, will list as installed. how do i find this in debian ? |
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| 09:23.49 | bizhat | i need to find out this because i need to install php-devel package |
| 09:24.26 | nkuttler | bizhat: dpkg -l *php5* |
| 09:24.47 | Zambezi | When can the devs of Debian stop acting like children and give us Firefox again? An important upgrade to Firefox came today. .11 or .12 and it's still Iceweasel 3.0.6. |
| 09:24.54 | nkuttler | bizhat: or apt-cache policy package |
| 09:25.22 | nkuttler | Zambezi: firefox won't happen. security updates faster if you help |
| 09:25.23 | bizhat | nkuttler: thanks, i got it with gpkg -l *php5*, thanks |
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| 09:25.52 | Zambezi | nkuttler: If I only could. |
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| 09:26.06 | nkuttler | Zambezi: debian's 3.0.6 probably has security fixes backported |
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| 09:26.46 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Any idea what the repo is to backports? |
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| 09:27.28 | nkuttler | Zambezi: /msg dpkg security |
| 09:28.37 | sshinobi | jelly: route -n displays blank fields |
| 09:29.18 | ribasushi | how can I find a specific debian package version |
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| 09:29.29 | ribasushi | it's doesn't seem to be on snapshots |
| 09:29.51 | ribasushi | samba (2:3.3.3-1) (according to the changelog it existed at some point) |
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| 09:30.04 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Thanks. I saw Squeeze finally got rtorrent 0.8.4 so when I get my new harddrive I go for a dist-upgrade too. |
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| 09:32.27 | ribasushi | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/samba/news/20090422T163919Z.html |
| 09:32.34 | ribasushi | ^^ this one, how do I get the .deb |
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| 09:32.46 | sshinobi | would I need to set up the route... before I run route? |
| 09:33.21 | sshinobi | I'm not following... |
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| 09:36.13 | sshinobi | unknown host when I run 'route add gw 192.168.1.101 eth0' |
| 09:36.44 | jelly | sshinobi: "displays blank fields"... you have no route set up at all? |
| 09:37.55 | jelly | sshinobi: well. you can add manually a route for that network segment, and then add a default route. Or you can set up the network the debian way in the interfaces file. |
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| 09:38.26 | jelly | !interfaces |
| 09:38.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 09:38.47 | sshinobi | ok, let me try the debian way... |
| 09:38.51 | sshinobi | also thanks :D |
| 09:38.55 | sshinobi | :) |
| 09:39.14 | jelly | sshinobi: it's good to know how to configure it manually, too. |
| 09:39.17 | sshinobi | I'm used to doing everything in shell |
| 09:39.44 | sshinobi | but there is actually a module to configure through the gui? |
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| 09:43.01 | jelly | sshinobi: perhaps there is, but I know not of it |
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| 09:44.15 | sshinobi | alright, I'll poke around with it |
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| 09:45.48 | sshinobi | ifup -a doesn't seem to work |
| 09:46.15 | sshinobi | would this work on a bridged connection? |
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| 09:46.38 | sshinobi | wifi> macintosh> debian machine |
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| 09:47.58 | sshinobi | ifdown -a doesn't work either |
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| 09:51.27 | sshinobi | curious... if I run man ifup, it'll give me the man page |
| 09:51.39 | sshinobi | but if I just run ifup, it can't find the command |
| 09:53.24 | petemc | its in /sbin/ , which is only in roots path |
| 09:53.28 | redstick | sshinobi, sudo |
| 09:54.21 | redstick | slaps sshinobi around a bit with a pair of nunchucks |
| 09:55.50 | sshinobi | ah, ok |
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| 09:56.09 | sshinobi | :P |
| 09:56.09 | ribasushi | need to get a specific deb, can anyone help |
| 09:56.17 | ribasushi | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/samba/news/20090422T163919Z.html |
| 09:56.21 | sshinobi | dodges a bit too late. |
| 09:56.34 | ribasushi | can't find it in the repos, and can't fidn it in snapshots |
| 09:56.48 | nkuttler | ribasushi: do we have to guess what? |
| 09:57.05 | timing | My debian installer is unable to download the release file from the mirror |
| 09:57.12 | ribasushi | nkuttler: errr I just gave a link... |
| 09:57.19 | timing | I do have network because I can wget anything I want in the shell |
| 09:57.33 | petemc | timing: tried another mirror |
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| 09:57.42 | timing | yes, four others already |
| 09:57.51 | timing | two from the us and two from .nl |
| 09:57.54 | nkuttler | ribasushi: ah right... are you referring to samba in general or the specific version? |
| 09:58.03 | ribasushi | nkuttler: this very specific version |
| 09:58.07 | timing | i'm following this tutorial: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php |
| 09:58.32 | ribasushi | nkuttler: I am trying to figure out when stuff broke (I'm having weird issues) |
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| 09:58.55 | nkuttler | ribasushi: that's not in stable. /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:59.42 | ribasushi | errr I'm not running stable, not interested in backporting anything |
| 09:59.49 | nkuttler | ribasushi: or do you want to get an old version of the package? |
| 09:59.59 | luckylucy | i keep getting NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS, from member server samba box. please help me. |
| 09:59.59 | ribasushi | this package is an older version |
| 10:00.02 | ribasushi | current is 3.3.4 |
| 10:00.06 | nkuttler | !tell ribasushi about snapshot |
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| 10:00.18 | ribasushi | nkuttler: can't find it there either :( |
| 10:00.49 | nkuttler | ribasushi: hm, no idea then |
| 10:00.53 | fptfpt | ribasushi: 1) find someone who has it in /var/cache/apt/archives (post to mailing list) 2) see also http://debian.org/News/2009/20090208 3) know a dead horse when you see it; find yourself one of the fine systems that do remember history |
| 10:00.59 | ribasushi | nkuttler: the latest it has is 3.0.x |
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| 10:01.59 | ribasushi | fptfpt: I didn't get point 3) |
| 10:03.05 | fptfpt | ribasushi: that was pure trolling. ignore |
| 10:03.13 | Gryflhase | I bought a AMD X2 5050e. What 32-bit version of debian should I install ? Does a 32-bit version support AMD-V (needed for VirtualBox) ? |
| 10:03.36 | ribasushi | fptfpt: ok... |
| 10:04.10 | Gryflhase | And what are best 32-bit compiler-options for cpu-type ? |
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| 10:06.16 | nkuttler | PointMan: man groups |
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| 10:14.31 | gynterk | PointMan, getent group | grep myuser |
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| 10:14.42 | PointMan | k thanks |
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| 10:21.38 | jelly | Gryflhase: there's only one 32bit version of Debian for intel/amd chips: i386; virtualbox guests with AMD-V work in it, as long as you don't have any other technology using AMD-V at the same time (eg. kvm) |
| 10:22.22 | jelly | Gryflhase: or are you asking which release of Debian to use? If unsure, go with stable. |
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| 10:29.09 | Gryflhase | jelly: i thought a but what netinstall image |
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| 10:29.37 | Gryflhase | there are amd64, etc |
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| 10:34.54 | careta | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.01 | senti | i think, system remember the password |
| 10:38.03 | careta | is there any way to make it "forget"? |
| 10:39.19 | senti | yes, i think - reboot :-) |
| 10:39.35 | luckylucy | i keep getting NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS, from member server samba box. please help me if you can. |
| 10:39.53 | senti | hibernation is keeping all the memory state on disk , just that |
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| 10:41.03 | careta | senti yes, but the hard disks must be mounted again... or not? |
| 10:41.53 | themill | careta: are you using an encrypted swap for hibernating? |
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| 10:42.21 | careta | themill, no. just an encrypted home |
| 10:42.26 | senti | careta, not |
| 10:42.44 | senti | careta, there are ALREADY mounted |
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| 10:42.57 | themill | careta: there's not much point then, since plenty of sensitive information is held in your resume image |
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| 10:43.44 | careta | themill i know that, but i only require a low level of security |
| 10:44.15 | themill | careta: so just make sure hibernate locks your screen before suspending |
| 10:47.09 | careta | ok themill that will suffice I guess. thanks for your help. and you too senti |
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| 10:48.59 | themill | no worries. There just doesn't seem much point in doing a half-hearted job on this sort of thing. I believe it's possible to do what you suggest (and encrypt the swap image too) but you'll need to google that one yourself |
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| 10:50.55 | laama400 | what would be the security implications of automatic login? |
| 10:51.16 | laama400 | if we're talking no remote and no root |
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| 10:51.49 | Hajuu | lol nothing as long as you limit it to localhost |
| 10:51.57 | Hajuu | and not as root like you say |
| 10:52.08 | laama400 | that's what I figured, thanks |
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| 10:52.16 | Hajuu | if you are concerned you can use ssh instead of telnet |
| 10:52.19 | Hajuu | but thats about it |
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| 11:03.03 | funyun | does anyone know of an ftp client that allows you to upload 20+ simultaneous files? |
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| 11:07.04 | jelly | Gryflhase: i386 is 32bit. |
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| 11:14.04 | funyun | does anyone know of an ftp client that allows you to upload 20+ simultaneous files? |
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| 11:16.42 | tingle | when i install debian i get the question how i want my disk used |
| 11:16.58 | tingle | there is option called "use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm" |
| 11:17.09 | tingle | what does encrypted in this situAation mean/ |
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| 11:36.19 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; ther |
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| 11:37.55 | PerryArmstrong | can anyone help me at this issue related to debian that i posted at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7469681#post7469681 |
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| 11:38.21 | abrotman | again? |
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| 11:38.39 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; i am actually unable to understand.... |
| 11:38.42 | Hajuu | hey can anyone tell me, i'm trying to exec something inside a chroot and I want to know the terminals pts file without recording it in the chroot then reading it from outside the chroot |
| 11:38.47 | Hajuu | so I want to do something like: |
| 11:38.50 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; because this is something new...and |
| 11:38.52 | Hajuu | xterm -e "(echo /usr/bin/tty) && sh &" |
| 11:38.57 | Hajuu | so that I get the tty as the exec() 'output' |
| 11:39.00 | Hajuu | any ideas? |
| 11:39.31 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; and none of the programmers near my place have no clue ...so i have ni proper guidance |
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| 11:39.50 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; if you have good idea...can you just guide me making simple options |
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| 11:41.55 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; ther? |
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| 11:44.47 | luckylucy | killed this one didn't i |
| 11:44.58 | luckylucy | oops |
| 11:45.01 | luckylucy | sorry |
| 11:45.11 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: did you figure out how to create your own task in a running installation yet? |
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| 11:46.19 | timing | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.37 | timing | the normal blue interface tell's me to select a different mirrir, which i tried |
| 11:46.40 | timing | didn't work |
| 11:46.46 | simplechat | hi, i have a smallish question. I'm going to be installing debian into a dual boot situation (windows/ubuntu) and i'm wondering if there is anything that i should worry about? I've googled but the only things that seem to come up are the linux journal article from 1994 |
| 11:46.48 | themill | timing: what media are you using? |
| 11:46.51 | simplechat | and debian potato? |
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| 11:47.09 | timing | themill: netinstall inside a qemu simulation |
| 11:47.24 | themill | simplechat: /msg dpkg dual boot guide ; /msg dpkg ubuntu |
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| 11:47.44 | timing | i do have /tmp/net-retriever-4933-Release.gpg and /tmp/net-retriever-4933-Release so it was able to download the releases I think? |
| 11:47.59 | simplechat | themill, i don't think dpkg likes me very much |
| 11:48.30 | themill | timing: and the netinstall is a woody netinstall? etch? lenny? release? |
| 11:48.47 | timing | Etch |
| 11:49.00 | timing | from this tutorial: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php |
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| 11:49.21 | timing | I thought networking wasn't working in qemu. but then I looked into the syslog and saw this |
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| 11:49.43 | simplechat | themill, thanks, but its not what i'm asking for. Is there anything specifically for tripple booting debian with another linux? |
| 11:49.50 | simplechat | (the apc article is linux with windows, not linux with linux) |
| 11:50.40 | abrotman | simplechat: other than figuring out which will control the bootloader? |
| 11:50.47 | themill | timing: etch r8? or older? |
| 11:50.55 | timing | hmm how can i see that? |
| 11:51.02 | simplechat | abrotman, i'm not really sure where to start looking |
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| 11:51.08 | themill | timing: you downloaded the iso... |
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| 11:51.28 | abrotman | simplechat: i guess the difficult part is that you already have an existing installation of ubuntu right ? |
| 11:51.33 | timing | no I followed the steps in that tutorial I just linked |
| 11:51.43 | timing | themill: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php |
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| 11:51.49 | simplechat | abrotman, yep |
| 11:51.56 | simplechat | and windows xp, which i'd like to keep |
| 11:52.31 | abrotman | simplechat: i've not done what you're looking to do .. but I'd guess you could have shared swap and /boot/ if you had done this from the start .. which might have made it easier |
| 11:52.33 | luckylucy | need to clear / reboot windbind, erase the tdb and start over. where is it, so i can delet it... |
| 11:52.55 | simplechat | yeah |
| 11:52.57 | simplechat | hmmmm |
| 11:53.09 | simplechat | i've got plenty of disk space, so i don't mind having seperate things |
| 11:53.14 | themill | timing: including downloading qemu from source? You might like to look at the qemu package that's already in debian (which is the same version that downloads) |
| 11:53.31 | abrotman | simplechat: you might want to look at the update-grub stuff to see how it works .. that's the biggest thing i'd be concerned with is having only one system manage my boot loader, and do it correctly |
| 11:53.36 | timing | themill: nope i got qemu from apt |
| 11:53.49 | simplechat | hmmm |
| 11:53.50 | simplechat | pl |
| 11:53.51 | simplechat | *ok |
| 11:54.17 | timing | themill: is there a way to see the apt settings in the shell I have opened next to the installation? |
| 11:54.23 | themill | timing: that howto is quite out of date and I don't know whether aurel32 will have updated those installer images to the new apt key |
| 11:54.41 | timing | ah okay, so the key's are in the images |
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| 11:55.04 | themill | timing: apt-key list |
| 11:55.13 | themill | timing: also /msg dpkg new archive key |
| 11:55.31 | themill | I don't know if you'll have apt-key available to you though... |
| 11:55.39 | timing | apt-get is not there |
| 11:56.28 | timing | and I don't have apt-get to install that keyring |
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| 11:57.13 | abrotman | simplechat: what google terms did you use? |
| 11:57.28 | abrotman | simplechat: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=triple+boot+ubuntu+debian+xp&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=JJ2lHziMUzc |
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| 11:57.57 | simplechat | abrotman, http://www.google.com.au/search?q=debian+multiboot&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&hs=maV&start=10&sa=N |
| 11:58.01 | simplechat | hmmm |
| 11:58.07 | simplechat | my google-fu needs brushing up :) |
| 11:58.59 | timing | themill: can't I just paste the key somewhere? |
| 11:59.21 | themill | timing: if gpg is accessible you'll be able to import it, but I doubt it is |
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| 11:59.40 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; no i dont know that |
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| 12:00.04 | timing | themill: there is gpgv ? |
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| 12:00.22 | themill | no use |
| 12:00.29 | timing | hmm too bad |
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| 12:01.40 | timing | themill: can I import it to my hsot machine and then copy a file to the qemu machine? |
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| 12:02.08 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; i'll be back in a few minutes...and i guess you can help me create custom tasks |
| 12:02.28 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: you need to read the documentation, i'm not going to do this for you |
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| 12:02.54 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; you mean the readme file you get when you run apt-get source tasksel |
| 12:03.23 | themill | timing: there are updated images available (also for lenny) at http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/arm-versatile/ Some of them are newer than the key rollover so they probably have the new key in them |
| 12:03.50 | timing | o that's great! thanks |
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| 12:04.35 | themill | timing: there are also prebuilt images if you want to just cut to the chase: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/ |
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| 12:05.11 | timing | themill: yeah I was googling for that for a week now |
| 12:05.19 | Ab3le | hi how's possible that i mount a pendrive as fat32 one folder works nice one othe says readonly filesystem ? |
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| 12:07.35 | gynterk | Ab3le, permissions ok? |
| 12:07.41 | Phil4 | http://pastebin.com/m5e478e29 |
| 12:07.49 | Phil4 | can anyone enlighten me what that error is about? ^ |
| 12:07.56 | Ab3le | evertything worked fine yesterday |
| 12:08.13 | Ab3le | so i guess: a) something corrupted b) vmrun locked the folder |
| 12:09.22 | abrotman | Phil4: has your filesystem gone read-only ? |
| 12:09.39 | Phil4 | abrotman, it upgraded everything else ok :S |
| 12:09.52 | Phil4 | however, how do I check? |
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| 12:10.47 | funyun | does anyone know of an ftp client that allows you to upload 20+ simultaneous files? |
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| 12:11.19 | greenmang0 | funyun: fireftp?? |
| 12:11.23 | gynterk | filezilla |
| 12:11.46 | funyun | gynterk, filezilla only allows 10 |
| 12:11.55 | funyun | greenmang0, thanks. i'll try it |
| 12:12.07 | greenmang0 | funyun: what about gftp or kftpgrabber? |
| 12:12.27 | gynterk | funyun, by default yes, but its open source :) |
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| 12:12.29 | abrotman | Phil4: cat /proc/mounts ? |
| 12:12.40 | greenmang0 | fireftp is a firefox addon |
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| 12:12.55 | funyun | gynterk, so i can make it allow 20+? if so, how? |
| 12:12.57 | Phil4 | nop, everything is rw |
| 12:13.08 | Hajuu | why the hell would you upload 20 files at ONCE? |
| 12:13.19 | Hajuu | seems like a really, really, inefficient idea |
| 12:13.22 | gynterk | funyun, by modifying the source code and recompiling |
| 12:13.53 | funyun | gynterk, i'm a super noob. have absolutely no clue how to do that |
| 12:14.03 | Hajuu | if you're a super noob |
| 12:14.04 | gynterk | then use fireftp :P |
| 12:14.08 | Hajuu | then im super sure you're doing it wrong |
| 12:14.14 | funyun | greenmang0, those you suggested allow 20+? |
| 12:14.21 | Hajuu | you upload files one at a time, not 20 at a time |
| 12:14.23 | Hajuu | :/ |
| 12:14.29 | greenmang0 | funyun: don't know... give it a try |
| 12:14.32 | greenmang0 | :P |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | funyun: run it more than once ? |
| 12:15.15 | abrotman | Phil4: is this lenny? |
| 12:15.22 | Phil4 | Squeeze |
| 12:15.37 | greenmang0 | Hajuu: so true... |
| 12:15.40 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 12:15.53 | greenmang0 | funyun: as far as i know you can get 20 files queued for uploading.... |
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| 12:16.11 | funyun | abrotman, wtf! i had no clue i could do that. this solves my problem. thanks dude. |
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| 12:16.17 | Hajuu | ..... |
| 12:16.20 | Hajuu | So stupid. |
| 12:16.27 | Hajuu | Er I mean |
| 12:16.28 | greenmang0 | :D |
| 12:16.29 | Hajuu | something nice. |
| 12:16.33 | abrotman | Hajuu: you didn't suggest it either ... |
| 12:16.40 | Hajuu | .. run it twice? |
| 12:16.41 | Hajuu | :/ |
| 12:16.44 | Hajuu | I didnt suspect? |
| 12:16.53 | Phil4 | no, abrotman |
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| 12:16.57 | Hajuu | oh suggest |
| 12:17.08 | Phil4 | trying an upgrade now on a similar Squeeze box |
| 12:17.09 | Hajuu | heh yeah well I like to encourage people to.. use their brains |
| 12:17.12 | gynterk | or make a shell script which allows you infinite sitim uploads |
| 12:17.13 | Hajuu | not feed them answers. |
| 12:17.14 | abrotman | funyun: just be careful .. not all ftpds are created equal .. you might crash it |
| 12:17.35 | abrotman | Hajuu: you didn't do that either ... |
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| 12:18.11 | funyun | hajuu, stfu. ..thanks again abrotman |
| 12:18.14 | abrotman | Phil4: dpkg -l openssh-server .. which version is installed |
| 12:18.29 | Phil4 | 1:5.1p1-5 |
| 12:18.36 | abrotman | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 12:18.37 | judd | abrotman: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 sid: 1:5.1p1-6 |
| 12:18.52 | Phil4 | same for -client |
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| 12:19.15 | abrotman | Phil4: md5sum /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:19.25 | Phil4 | bb62d73558cc842a59d71194e16d2794 /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:19.37 | abrotman | Phil4: this is i386? amd64? ppc ? |
| 12:19.44 | Phil4 | i386 |
| 12:19.50 | abrotman | that's not lenny's sshd |
| 12:19.57 | abrotman | oh wait .. i'm an idiot |
| 12:20.00 | Phil4 | it's Squeeze |
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| 12:20.09 | abrotman | but that's lenny's openssh-server |
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| 12:20.30 | abrotman | still not lenny's opensshd |
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| 12:20.50 | Ab3le | gynterk: chmod chown too says readonly - what can tell me what's wrong - files can be open for reading correctly |
| 12:20.50 | Phil4 | you're suggesting it's been maliciously replaced? |
| 12:21.09 | abrotman | Phil4: mine from an i386 lenny doesn't match your md5sum .. but does match your package version |
| 12:21.19 | abrotman | $ md5sum /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:21.19 | abrotman | 91c2445fd0f0345fe25d6452fa3068cd /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:21.35 | abrotman | themill: that'd be a trick for judd |
| 12:21.51 | jelly | abrotman: are you two using the same arch? :-) |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | we both said i386 |
| 12:22.18 | mesa_booger | this sounds like a hoax designed to cause fud |
| 12:22.21 | jelly | that's what you _said_ |
| 12:22.25 | abrotman | $ grep "sbin/sshd" /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.md5sums |
| 12:22.25 | abrotman | 91c2445fd0f0345fe25d6452fa3068cd usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:22.38 | Phil4 | I get that on another box |
| 12:22.42 | themill | abrotman: md5 of arb files on arb arches? Don't know if that's in the UDD or not |
| 12:22.44 | abrotman | Phil4: if you run that command on the 'broken' box .. |
| 12:22.52 | jelly | Phil4: install debsums if it's not laready installed, then run "debsums openssh-server" |
| 12:22.54 | Phil4 | 2 other boxes, infact |
| 12:23.06 | Akuw | i create this 01 * * * * root ls on crontab |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | themill: judd: md5sum /foo/file/bar --version lenny --arch i386 |
| 12:23.07 | themill | abrotman: might be in stew's new dak though |
| 12:23.10 | Phil4 | 127dot0dot0dot1:~# grep "sbin/sshd" /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.md5sums |
| 12:23.11 | Phil4 | 91c2445fd0f0345fe25d6452fa3068cd usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:23.14 | Phil4 | hrmmm |
| 12:23.23 | Akuw | but is not executing every minute |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | nice hostname |
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| 12:23.30 | Akuw | have i to do somthing more? |
| 12:23.35 | Hajuu | Thanks. |
| 12:23.36 | abrotman | themill: i'd guess that'd be a huge pile of files though :) |
| 12:23.52 | gynterk | er |
| 12:23.57 | Phil4 | so do you think this is corrupted or malicious? |
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| 12:24.00 | gynterk | Akuw, */1 |
| 12:24.34 | abrotman | Phil4: not my box .. |
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| 12:24.44 | gynterk | Akuw, */5 * * * * /home/adam/script.sh will execute script.sh every 5 minutes. |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | steps away |
| 12:24.54 | luckylucy | any samba people know anything about matchname failing... |
| 12:25.12 | kgoetz | luckylucy, thought of asking #samba ? |
| 12:25.48 | jelly | Phil4, if you save a copy of it somewhere, you can use cmp or a similar tool to compare it to the packaged file. If they differ in a very small amount if bits, if would point to a corruption. |
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| 12:25.57 | jelly | of* bits |
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| 12:27.04 | Phil4 | debsums reports only sshd being out |
| 12:27.19 | izua | is there anything that blocks or at least halts flash animations unless i explicitly want them to play? |
| 12:27.33 | luckylucy | kgoetz: i have asked there every 1/2 hour for the last 19 hrs. |
| 12:28.01 | kgoetz | luckylucy, sounds like you either have a question no one knows the answer to, or people have you on ignore |
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| 12:28.16 | izua | everytime i browse, my cpu cooler spins up cause some crappy travian ad decided to use one core to show me its crappy animation |
| 12:28.19 | petemc | izua: there are a few different firefox extensions |
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| 12:28.26 | izua | using deb5 and firefox(iceweasel) |
| 12:28.29 | Akuw | to run it each second? |
| 12:28.30 | petemc | which will work with iceweasel |
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| 12:28.47 | JJOliver | Hey hey. I'm new to lenny. I'm trying to make an icon and such like. Where should I put the icon image file? |
| 12:28.53 | izua | hmm, let me check.. |
| 12:29.07 | petemc | izua: things like flashblock, noscript etc |
| 12:29.09 | jelly | izua: Flashblock |
| 12:29.34 | Phil4 | 127dot0dot0dot1:~/ssh# cmp sshd sshd-good |
| 12:29.34 | Phil4 | sshd sshd-good differ: byte 17, line 1 |
| 12:29.46 | luckylucy | kgoetz: yes, but gotta keep asking, just trying not to ask too often, someone will know eventually, or i will figure it out, either way, gotta keep trying... |
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| 12:30.19 | jelly | Phil4: are they the same size? |
| 12:31.23 | izua | hmm, much better :) |
| 12:31.52 | izua | petemc, jelly: thanks |
| 12:32.19 | kgoetz | luckylucy, 'not to often' is usually considered 4-8 hours. |
| 12:32.21 | Phil4 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1153947 2009-06-17 13:26 sshd |
| 12:32.22 | Phil4 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 phil phil 438852 2009-06-17 13:28 sshd-good |
| 12:32.28 | abrotman | oh .. that's not good |
| 12:32.33 | Phil4 | the "bad" one is much bigger |
| 12:32.36 | Phil4 | joy -_- |
| 12:33.07 | gynterk | Akuw, you don't want to run stuff in cron in each second, belive me |
| 12:33.10 | Phil4 | dpkg: warning: while removing openssh-server, unable to remove directory '/usr/sbin/sshd': Operation not permitted - directory may be a mount point? |
| 12:33.11 | dpkg | You are moron #1, Phil4 |
| 12:33.24 | Phil4 | lol, thanks bot |
| 12:33.37 | polycarbonate1 | hahaha |
| 12:33.39 | luckylucy | kgoetz: ah, i was unaware. thanks. |
| 12:33.48 | jelly | Phil4: lsattr /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:33.58 | Phil4 | s---ia------------- /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:34.00 | crazyfrog | when my lenny box boot,it seems that there are some troubles with hard disk ,but i am not sure .who can help me please |
| 12:34.01 | Akuw | ok, i have this in my crontab */1 * * * * root /home/t101/test.sh |
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| 12:34.11 | Akuw | but the script no run |
| 12:34.19 | crazyfrog | [ 3.770615] ahci 0000:00:11.0: AHCI 0001.0100 32 slots 4 ports 3 Gbps 0xf impl SATA mode |
| 12:34.19 | crazyfrog | [ 3.770619] ahci 0000:00:11.0: flags: 64bit ncq sntf ilck pm led clo pmp pio slum part |
| 12:34.19 | crazyfrog | [ 3.774561] scsi0 : ahci |
| 12:34.19 | crazyfrog | [ 3.774561] scsi1 : ahci |
| 12:34.19 | crazyfrog | [ 3.774561] scsi2 : ahci |
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| 12:34.23 | jelly | Phil4: was it you that installed this machine? |
| 12:34.27 | gynterk | Akuw, what does cron log say? |
| 12:34.45 | jelly | Phil4: if it wasn't, it's likely you got pwned |
| 12:34.51 | Phil4 | yes, jelly |
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| 12:34.53 | Phil4 | argh |
| 12:34.54 | Phil4 | ffs |
| 12:35.01 | Phil4 | I hardended it to the teeth |
| 12:35.03 | jelly | er, if it was* |
| 12:35.04 | Akuw | where is log? |
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| 12:35.14 | gynterk | in log directory |
| 12:35.29 | jelly | Phil4: did you make /usr/sbin/sshd immutable during the hardening? |
| 12:35.37 | crazyfrog | #flood |
| 12:35.38 | gynterk | usually /var/log/cron |
| 12:35.41 | Phil4 | jelly, no |
| 12:35.48 | Akuw | i am var/log |
| 12:35.54 | Akuw | what file i have to cat? |
| 12:35.58 | jelly | Phil4: did you run miscellaneous "hardening" scripts not knowing what they actually do? |
| 12:36.04 | gynterk | cat /var/log/cron | tail -100 |
| 12:36.07 | Phil4 | jelly, no |
| 12:36.08 | jelly | Phil4: things like bastille |
| 12:36.38 | Phil4 | jelly: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 12:36.53 | Phil4 | I followed most of that |
| 12:36.55 | Akuw | there is no such file |
| 12:37.01 | jelly | Phil4: alright; a this point I'd assume the machine was breached and proceed with a dump and clean install |
| 12:37.18 | Phil4 | argh |
| 12:38.07 | Akuw | gynterk: in /var/log is not the cron file |
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| 12:40.27 | Phil4 | jelly, any idea what is stopping sshd being removed? |
| 12:41.11 | jelly | Phil4: yes. The immutable attribute set on the file. |
| 12:41.17 | jelly | Phil4: man chattr |
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| 12:42.19 | gueux | hi |
| 12:43.00 | crazyfrog | it seems that my lenny box can not probe hard disk correctly ,who can help me fix it?http://pastebin.ca/1463327 |
| 12:43.00 | jelly | Phil4: if you wish to do a forensic analysis, you'd better poweroff the machine and make an image of the disk (or filesystems) while booted from clean media |
| 12:43.00 | orak3l | im looking for a simple ftp server. i dont need any fancy functionality. the only thing i need is to specify some folder to be shared with username and password. any recommendations? |
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| 12:43.53 | JJOliver | orak3l: you can do it by adding a usr |
| 12:44.06 | Akuw | gynterk: in /var/log is not the cron file |
| 12:44.07 | JJOliver | specifing default login as sftp and it'll work like that. |
| 12:44.20 | gynterk | then search google how to configure crontab |
| 12:44.29 | gueux | I'm trying to mount an ipod touch |
| 12:44.37 | gueux | I've installed ifuse |
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| 12:45.20 | crazyfrog | it seems that my lenny box can not probe hard disk correctly ,who can help me fix it?http://pastebin.ca/1463327 |
| 12:45.37 | gueux | but ifuse tells me that "A path to the USB device must be specified", but the ipod is not detected as a /dev/sd... |
| 12:46.18 | orak3l | JJOliver, i dont want the user to be able to browse my entire filesystem. so this is possible? and where do i set the default login? in passwd as a replacement for /bin/bash? |
| 12:47.46 | JJOliver | Yeah hang on i got it written down somewhere. |
| 12:47.59 | Phil4 | it's also worrying that this is my ssh control box, jelly |
| 12:48.00 | Phil4 | heh |
| 12:48.10 | Phil4 | i.e. I control 18 servers via ssh from this one |
| 12:48.24 | trendy | Please i need a laptop to buy |
| 12:48.33 | jelly | Phil4: fun times ahead |
| 12:48.51 | Phil4 | indeed |
| 12:48.51 | Phil4 | heh |
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| 12:49.18 | JJOliver | orak3l: I don't have how to limit that user to just one folder but that you'll be able to google. |
| 12:49.29 | Akuw | every time i modify crontab need i do something more so the task begin? |
| 12:49.35 | JJOliver | orak3l: change, using usermod -s to sftp |
| 12:49.48 | joltcan | Akuw: not if you use crontab -e |
| 12:50.06 | Akuw | how can i know that? |
| 12:50.09 | babilen | crazyfrog: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git-commits-head/2008/6/14/2122314 *might* be of interest |
| 12:50.23 | joltcan | Akuw: What file did you modify? |
| 12:50.43 | babilen | crazyfrog: i am not sure which kernel version includes that patch though |
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| 12:50.53 | Akuw | /etc/crontab |
| 12:51.20 | crazyfrog | babilen :thanks |
| 12:51.28 | JJOliver | orak3l: that'll limit the new user to only being able to connect via SFTP which is different from FTP but will work the same if you have an sftp client. |
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| 12:52.20 | orak3l | JJOliver, tanks i will try that. sftp is a encrypted ftp login? |
| 12:52.30 | JJOliver | dunno actaully. |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | Phil4: doesn't the harden doc mention something like tripwire? |
| 12:52.35 | Akuw | joltcan: then? |
| 12:52.43 | JJOliver | I have it all for LAN - LAN so security isn't a big deal. |
| 12:52.52 | joeytwiddle | sftp is usually done through ssh |
| 12:53.00 | Phil4 | I ran it for a while, abrotman |
| 12:53.01 | joeytwiddle | doesn't really have anything to do with ftp! |
| 12:53.04 | mesa_booger | i think we should report a serious breach of the entire debian security infrastructure, and alert the press. secure sockets and shells are utterly compromised. oh doom |
| 12:53.06 | joltcan | Akuw: Then you don't have to do anythin |
| 12:53.07 | joltcan | g |
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| 12:53.10 | Phil4 | but it was a royal pita to admin |
| 12:53.17 | abrotman | mesa_booger: please stop |
| 12:53.17 | JJOliver | joeytwiddle: but you can use specific sftp clients . . . |
| 12:53.20 | Phil4 | especially with such a fast changing package system |
| 12:53.25 | Akuw | but script is not runing |
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| 12:54.15 | joeytwiddle | i think a few things fall under the category sftp, but the ssh method is most popular |
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| 12:56.21 | JJOliver | joeytwiddle: sure. I don't really know a whole lot, I wanted a way of updating my /srv/web folder anywhere on my LAN and the easiest way to do that (as suggested by deb dev) was to have a user with sftp and made the users home dir /srv/web |
| 12:57.13 | joeytwiddle | ah. well if you can ssh into that user account, then you will have the sftp i'm talking about |
| 12:57.38 | JJOliver | yeah |
| 12:57.49 | joeytwiddle | but maybe you don't want people to be able to ssh into that user account |
| 12:57.55 | JJOliver | I can ssh but that account is only allowed access to the /srv/web |
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| 12:58.20 | JJOliver | joeytwiddle: good point. But it was apparently alot easier than setting up an ftp server. |
| 12:58.41 | orak3l | JJOliver, sftp is a ftp login through ssh server. i ve configured ssh to only accept logins with allowed certificates. i bet i would have to re-configure sshd. thats not what i want. i will look for some other ftp server |
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| 12:58.56 | joeytwiddle | i just tried "apt-cache search sftp" and saw this: rssh - Restricted shell allowing scp, sftp, cvs, svn, rsync or rdist |
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| 12:59.49 | JJOliver | orak3l: there may be better ways, that's the only way I know. |
| 13:00.00 | Phil4 | urgh |
| 13:00.05 | Phil4 | ok, thanks all |
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| 13:00.15 | orak3l | JJOliver, ok, thanks for your help anyway ;) |
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| 13:01.21 | zermelofraenkel | who |
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| 13:02.13 | joltcan | Akuw: look in /var/log/syslog and see if it even found it |
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| 13:02.51 | JJOliver | orak3l: if you find a great solution let me know, i'd really appreciate it. |
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| 13:03.22 | orak3l | JJOliver, ok |
| 13:03.26 | wonderwal_ | hello how can i check if debian will support my intel 8575eb NIC? |
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| 13:03.52 | OpenTokix | wonderwal_: If its in kernel 2.6.26, it will support it |
| 13:04.05 | wonderwal_ | OpenTokix: how do i check if it's in 2.6.26? |
| 13:04.11 | ham5 | uname |
| 13:04.24 | babilen | wonderwal_: try a live cd? http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:04.37 | wonderwal_ | i dont have the system |
| 13:04.40 | wonderwal_ | im looking at buying it |
| 13:04.47 | wooj | wonderwal_, google it |
| 13:04.57 | wonderwal_ | wooj: tried |
| 13:05.34 | wooj | are you sure that Intel 8575 is the correct nic? cause googling that isnt coming up with much |
| 13:05.40 | wonderwal_ | woops |
| 13:05.43 | wonderwal_ | 82575EB |
| 13:05.49 | gynterk | exactly |
| 13:06.00 | wonderwal_ | i found this: |
| 13:06.07 | wonderwal_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=704984 |
| 13:06.11 | wooj | http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?ProductID=2874&DwnldID=13663&lang=eng |
| 13:06.15 | wooj | Intel has drivers |
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| 13:06.23 | wooj | so if it isnt in kernel, you can compile it. |
| 13:06.26 | wonderwal_ | "You need the "igb" module which is included in kernel 2.6.25." |
| 13:06.40 | wooj | then you ought to be fine on 2.6.26 |
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| 13:06.59 | wooj | !ops vect is spamming |
| 13:06.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wooj complains about: vect is spamming |
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| 13:07.09 | ham5 | :\ |
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| 13:07.24 | wooj | gah |
| 13:07.31 | OpenTokix | ignore worked fine |
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| 13:07.35 | greenmang0 | kicks vect |
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| 13:07.59 | joltcan | auto kickban on ##politico would be awesome |
| 13:08.04 | wooj | As I was saying, if support was included in 2.6.25 you should be fine with 2.6.26, you may just need to insmod igb or whatever |
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| 13:08.08 | wonderwal_ | to be 100% sure should i untar linux tarball and look in the driver source code? |
| 13:08.15 | OpenTokix | joltcan: or we should have op |
| 13:08.19 | wooj | or put it in /etc/modules if it isnt loaded automatically |
| 13:08.30 | OpenTokix | joltcan: >:) |
| 13:08.43 | wonderwal_ | how does one generally go about checking something like this other than google? |
| 13:08.51 | OpenTokix | wonderwal_: I just try toinstall |
| 13:09.00 | wooj | wonderwal_, I googled and found the driver on Intel's site |
| 13:09.06 | OpenTokix | wonderwal_: but that also goes hadn in hand with resouces |
| 13:09.08 | solomon | is there a boot param that i can pass in the installer to underclock my CPU? My CPU is flaky and only works when it's underclocked, to the point that it can't get halfway through the installer before crashing |
| 13:09.19 | wooj | wonderwal_, so at *worst* you will have to compile Intel's driver after you install. |
| 13:09.24 | OpenTokix | solomon: underclock in bios |
| 13:09.42 | wonderwal_ | wooj: yeah i know. |
| 13:09.49 | wonderwal_ | its just nice to have native support |
| 13:09.53 | solomon | OpenTokix: i'm not sure it's possible in the bios |
| 13:09.57 | justin | !+find igb.ko |
| 13:09.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:10.02 | wooj | wonderwal_, I believe it does. |
| 13:10.03 | OpenTokix | solomon: ok |
| 13:10.21 | OpenTokix | solomon: btw. - why don't you solve the problem? |
| 13:10.25 | OpenTokix | solomon: ie. get better cooling? |
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| 13:11.05 | solomon | OpenTokix: i solved the cooling problem a while ago, but the damage was done. now it goes bad when it gets halfway near cooling |
| 13:11.07 | abrotman | sure .. i walk away for two minutes and you guys get all wacky |
| 13:11.16 | OpenTokix | solomon: ok |
| 13:11.25 | solomon | OpenTokix: er, halfway near hot |
| 13:11.26 | OpenTokix | abrotman: yes, don't do it again |
| 13:11.26 | solomon | hehe |
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| 13:11.43 | solomon | OpenTokix: i adjusted a setting that *might* be underclocking the cpu in the bios.. but it caused d-i to crash |
| 13:11.51 | OpenTokix | solomon: I would just replace it |
| 13:11.53 | solomon | OpenTokix: with some sort of cpufreq prob |
| 13:12.01 | solomon | OpenTokix: i would too.. if i could afford it :) |
| 13:12.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'igb.ko' (3 of 8): (/lib/modules/2.6.29-2-486/kernel/drivers/net/igb/igb.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.29-2-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.29-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/igb/igb.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/igb/igb.ko) in kernel/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686. |
| 13:12.18 | justin | grr, close :) |
| 13:12.34 | solomon | OpenTokix: before i attempted a reinstall, i was running it pretty pleasently though, with cpu freq scaling adjusted down by about 40% |
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| 13:12.49 | kent\n | If I want to block a version of something, or a version range of something, as in, hard-block it from being installed for whatever reason, what would be the suggested way to do this? |
| 13:12.58 | solomon | OpenTokix: of course, i didn't think about the problem till it crashed in the installer, after formatting the FS :) |
| 13:13.01 | OpenTokix | solomon: if you have another machine you can just debbootstrap the drive? |
| 13:13.02 | abrotman | !tell kent\n about hold |
| 13:13.13 | solomon | OpenTokix: hrm, that might be the thing to do |
| 13:13.37 | solomon | OpenTokix: if there's a simple boot param to pass to save me a lot of unplugging, though, that'd be very convenient :) |
| 13:13.44 | kent\n | abrotman: telling aptitude '=' is equivalent? |
| 13:13.52 | solomon | OpenTokix: this machine has 3 drives raid0'd and my spare machine has 4 :) |
| 13:14.00 | themill | kent\n: also see aptitude's forbid-version command |
| 13:14.11 | abrotman | kent\n: i don't use aptitude interactively |
| 13:14.29 | zermelofraenkel | whois solomon |
| 13:14.32 | OpenTokix | solomon: So you are running raid0 over three drives on a machine with a flakey cpu? |
| 13:15.07 | themill | abrotman: you can also use = with the interactive resolver or on the command line -- it's not just a UI thing :) |
| 13:15.13 | solomon | OpenTokix: sure. it works :) |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | never tried |
| 13:15.17 | solomon | OpenTokix: (or did) |
| 13:15.25 | zermelofraenkel | Hello |
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| 13:15.31 | kent\n | conveniently, due to low disk space, I have no man installed on the debian box I use, so man for aptitude's forbid-version is somewhat lacking |
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| 13:15.36 | abrotman | solomon: which installer? |
| 13:15.53 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind |
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| 13:16.05 | solomon | abrotman: not sure, but i can find out. it's the jaunty 'alt' installer |
| 13:16.09 | zermelofraenkel | How do I recognize a message in freenode guys? |
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| 13:16.12 | themill | dpkg: tell kent\n about aptitude docs |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | solomon: please go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
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| 13:16.29 | abrotman | zermelofraenkel: huh? |
| 13:16.29 | solomon | abrotman: ubuntu states their alt installer is just d-i |
| 13:16.35 | solomon | abrotman: so hold the pies :P |
| 13:16.40 | abrotman | solomon: please don't make me repeat myself |
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| 13:17.23 | wooj | solomon, #ubuntu is still the place for support on Ubuntu, regardless if they use the debian installer. |
| 13:17.56 | solomon | abrotman, wooj: well, if the question isn't welcome here, i can leave you guys alone, but it seems odd, as ubuntu tells users to file bugs against d-i if they have problems with the alt installer |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | solomon: try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-installer perhaps |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | solomon: yeah .. people in #ubuntu say all kinds of crazy things .. doesn't make them true |
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| 13:18.46 | solomon | abrotman: well, it's not #ubuntu that says that, it's the official ubuntu site.. so if it's not true, you guys might want to contact them |
| 13:19.03 | solomon | abrotman: i'd be happy to grab my etch netinst and repro it on that and come back :P |
| 13:19.16 | abrotman | solomon: if it were the Debian installer, it would install debian :) |
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| 13:19.36 | wooj | solomon, that'd be more appropriate, we have no way to know if Canonical has done anything wonky on their install. *shrug* |
| 13:19.42 | solomon | abrotman: well, if it does, i won't come back :) |
| 13:19.44 | abrotman | thanks for understanding |
| 13:20.18 | solomon | wooj, abrotman: well, what i'm really after is whether there's a way to tell the kernel to scale the cpu at boot time. that's what i'd want to do with debian proper, too |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | grrr |
| 13:20.39 | kent\n | right, forbid version appears to support blocking on a specific version, but how to block a *RANGE* of versions it is unobviou s |
| 13:20.41 | kent\n | unobvious* |
| 13:20.42 | solomon | wooj, abrotman: i'm not even sure the setting that causes the jaunty alt installer to crash would have done me any good, whereas cpu frequency scaling has served me quite well |
| 13:21.21 | solomon | wooj, abrotman: but, i guess i could repro the entire problem with debian proper if that's prerequisite |
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| 13:21.31 | themill | kent\n: there's no way to do that. Hold, pin a specific version or forbid version are your only options. It's a pretty strange use case that you're asking for |
| 13:21.37 | wooj | solomon, I do not believe there is, apart from BIOS or actually opening things up and setting jumpers. You can scale your cpufreq *after* boot easily enough, but... eh. The installer boots to a live environment, I believe, though, so alt+f2 and do whatever you do to adjust the freq. |
| 13:22.15 | abrotman | points at #ubuntu |
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| 13:23.05 | wooj | abrotman, tell me why I can't access my cellular radio under android on my HTC Diamond |
| 13:23.08 | wooj | :D |
| 13:23.21 | kent\n | themill: what? thats insane. I versions 2.8 of glibc or greater simply cannot be installed by me, its a xen host, I can't install it without first upgrading the kernel, I cant myself upgrade the kernel without contacting my provider, and really don't want to have to do that, so I want to tell it "no 2.8 please" , but stuff keeps pulling it in as a dependancy. |
| 13:23.57 | kent\n | and if I interactively select something to install at present that 2.8 or greater is a distance dependant of, it completely forgets all other requests I had made previously, and tries to upgrade it |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | wooj: would it make you feel better if i told you there is a large #android? |
| 13:24.05 | kent\n | which of course, doesn't work. |
| 13:24.17 | wooj | abrotman, I'm in there, i was just being a goof. |
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| 13:24.28 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:24.41 | jelly | kent\n: is there a special reason you're using testing or unstable? |
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| 13:25.00 | solomon | well, that's not fair. but thanks for the suggestions, i'll be back if i don't manage to fix it and do manage to repro it with debian proper |
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| 13:25.27 | abrotman | solomon: you might want consider that it's actually a kernel bug, and not just a hardware issue ? |
| 13:25.45 | helo | is there some reason why, when i have not changed any hardware, my eth0 has become eth0_rename? |
| 13:26.00 | kent\n | jelly, every debian install I've ever had in the last decade have gone that way, because stable is just generally far too out of date. |
| 13:26.31 | helo | with the exception of lenny, the same has been true for me |
| 13:26.31 | valan | eh stable is out of date upon release |
| 13:26.33 | abrotman | such as? |
| 13:26.39 | solomon | abrotman: i'm quite sure there's a hardware issue involved, as it's plagued me for a couple of years with both debian and ubuntu. but the issue of working around it in software can certainly be argued to be distro-specific, even if the distro in question points people to debian for the particular installer in question |
| 13:26.46 | helo | there really aren't any features i need that lenny doesn't have |
| 13:26.47 | jelly | kent\n: we have ~100 installations on stable or oldstable |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | solomon: bigger fan :) |
| 13:27.08 | valan | but stable isn't supposed to be bleeding edge, it's supposed to consist of proven stable stuff |
| 13:27.09 | kent\n | jelly, might work for you, certainly has never worked for me. |
| 13:27.20 | solomon | abrotman: done that, it allowed me to use the thing at all; but the damage was already done :P |
| 13:27.35 | themill | kent\n: specifically what is so out of date that you can't just use stable? What's this machine used for? |
| 13:27.36 | abrotman | oh .. bummer |
| 13:27.57 | solomon | abrotman: i don't really need more than 60% of that cpu's capabilities, though, which is where it served me well until i got the mind to reinstall |
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| 13:28.23 | helo | i'll probably upgrade to unstable when i buy a new machine, if the drivers aren't included in lenny |
| 13:28.26 | kent\n | "proven stable" stuff is not really concerning to me, I can handle stuff that breaks once in a blue moon. I actually on my own pc ( not debian ) run off mostly svn built stuff, and thats "pretty damn reliable", even considering its techincally alpha grade. |
| 13:28.27 | jelly | kent\n: the usual procedure is to use stable as a basis, and backport the required few apps/libs needed for the workload |
| 13:28.54 | kent\n | but this isnt that machine, and I consider "testing" , "sane enough" |
| 13:29.07 | helo | it would be nice if stable got new driver patches similarly to security patches |
| 13:29.17 | abrotman | helo: like etchnhalf ? |
| 13:29.32 | helo | abrotman: yeah |
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| 13:29.39 | helo | like that... heh |
| 13:29.45 | superlinux | i am trying to connect an AGP over a PCI 64 bit 3.3volt. is there a converter for it? |
| 13:29.51 | jelly | kent\n: it's not sane enough, as you can see. |
| 13:29.53 | kent\n | recalls past experiences where non-testing install media wouldn't even boot on some machines. |
| 13:29.57 | helo | superlinux: #hardware |
| 13:30.05 | themill | kent\n: it's broken once in a blue moon for you just now... go fix ;) |
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| 13:30.38 | kent\n | if it doesn't work at all on stable, and it works on testing, the testing release is in that case, less broken |
| 13:30.46 | superlinux | ok |
| 13:30.53 | DeSian | i have some zip file, and will to extract all in one directory. how can i that with 'unzip' |
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| 13:31.09 | kent\n | superlinux: wtf? are you insane? |
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| 13:32.02 | themill | DeSian: man unzip ; look at the -j option and see if that's what you mean |
| 13:32.17 | DeSian | themill: ok thnx |
| 13:32.26 | valan | erm, 64 bit pci? what is this? i thought pci was only 32 bit |
| 13:32.40 | helo | so there isn't some straightforward reason why eth0 would become eth0_rename across reboots on the same hardware? |
| 13:32.43 | kent\n | valan: pci-e pci-x ? |
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| 13:33.15 | valan | perhaps that kent\n but if it's not specified -e or -x it should mean regular old pci |
| 13:33.22 | jelly | kent\n: the preferred course of action would be to isolate the failing subsystem instead of concluding "doesn't work at all", and worka around it while keeping the rest of the OS on stable |
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| 13:33.43 | DeSian | themill: isn't what i mean, i will somthing like that cd /directory unzip -all * |
| 13:33.43 | helo | the mac address just magically changed over a reboot? |
| 13:34.17 | abrotman | helo: /msg dpkg z25 .. see if you have more than one line in the file |
| 13:34.32 | helo | abrotman: it's the same line that i've been using for three weeks since i got this new machine |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth ? |
| 13:34.59 | jelly | valan, kent\n: PCIe = pciexpress (not pci at all); pci-x is a 64-bit extension, often found on older server boards (up to, say, 2007 or so) |
| 13:34.59 | themill | DeSian: ahhh. I don't think unzip can't do that but fortunately your shell can. for i in *.zip; do unzip "$i"; done |
| 13:35.03 | kent\n | jelly, in that case, the installation media's kernel didn't support any of the drive controllers. |
| 13:35.19 | DeSian | themill: thnx again |
| 13:35.32 | jelly | kent\n: oh. there are installer images with updated kernels, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 13:35.37 | valan | i know what pci-e and pci-x are, but he didn't mention pci-e or pci-x |
| 13:35.42 | helo | it starts out as, "[ 3.573141] eth0: RTL8168b/8111b at 0xf883e000, 00:19:db:4d:34:67, XID 38000000 IRQ 219" but by the time it gets to bring up tthe network devices, it is eth0_rename and eth0 doesn't exist |
| 13:35.58 | kent\n | jelly it was a year or 2 ago that case |
| 13:36.13 | jelly | kent\n: and the images were available then. |
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| 13:36.55 | kent\n | a year or 2 ago there was also the embarrasing situation with the rediclulously outdated ( 5 years ) copies of PGAdmin3, and even windows had better releases, and no recent releases were even availabble on the experimental trees |
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| 13:37.15 | jelly | kent\n: right. So one would backport pgadmin only. |
| 13:37.22 | kent\n | I ended up building that myself... and i have to say, the experience was one of my least favourable. |
| 13:37.40 | mrwizard | I'm trying to follow http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-715034.html, and I get the error http://pastebin.com/d3e41d871 when I run make target=linux exportdir=../tspc-advanced export |
| 13:37.54 | mrwizard | any ideas why? |
| 13:38.04 | kent\n | jelly, I'm just stating obvious initial cases that I can recall, but I seem to have this *thing* where *everything* is always too outdated for my liking |
| 13:38.15 | kent\n | and it, and its dependancies are outdated, etc etc etc |
| 13:38.25 | jelly | kent\n: and I'm stating it's _seldom_ "everything" |
| 13:38.39 | kent\n | and the newer version of $thing requires newer dependencies, and they're systemic and go all the way to libc |
| 13:38.51 | kent\n | its just easier to go "screw it" and go whole cow |
| 13:39.18 | jelly | kent\n: IME in the long term, it's easier to backport what you need |
| 13:39.27 | valan | kent\n i'm still interested in hearing what specifically is too out of date for you to use lenny, i don't recall that you've mentioned that yet |
| 13:39.56 | jelly | keeping testing clean of security bugs is a hard problem in particular; keeping it unbroken on upgrades is second |
| 13:40.04 | kent\n | I was using lenny when lenny was still testing |
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| 13:40.42 | kent\n | so when lenny stabilised, I just stayed where I was... on testing. |
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| 13:41.18 | jelly | kent\n: perhaps you weren't aware of an backport process and tried to use packages with newer versions from testing; this is never a good idea |
| 13:41.22 | jelly | !ssb |
| 13:41.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 13:41.28 | jelly | !bpo |
| 13:41.29 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
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| 13:42.58 | wooj | Having a remote control fan is amazing. I feel so empowered in my laziness. |
| 13:43.00 | kent\n | Im sorry, the xen host I happen to be using is shared, and excessive building of stuff is really not what I want to do on this box, and having done source builds on debian many times, I have come to hate the process, as its a fundementally retarded notion for a primarly binary distribution |
| 13:43.01 | jelly | kent\n: if a newer version of something is required than what's available in stable, first thing to check is backports.org; if there's no new enough build, you can roll your own backport from sid _using dependencies from stable_ |
| 13:43.34 | jelly | kent\n: usnig testing on production machines is a worse idea from my PoV |
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| 13:43.46 | valan | i agree jelly |
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| 13:44.08 | valan | i actually won't use anything other than debian stable or lfs on production servers |
| 13:44.10 | babilen | helo: i think that problem is udev related. i had that with wlan0. i moved/deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, ran /lib/udev/write_net_rules all_interfaces and edited the newly created file to fit my intended naming scheme |
| 13:44.11 | themill | kent\n: you said earlier you were building from svn for lots of stuff.... |
| 13:44.11 | superlinux | kent\n: why insane? |
| 13:44.20 | kent\n | If it were a dedicated box instead of a shared one, I'd be just using gentoo instead of mucking around with debians build system. its horrible, it truely is. |
| 13:44.37 | kent\n | themill: on my own pc, yes, not this box. |
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| 13:44.43 | superlinux | i found online some people anufacture the converter |
| 13:44.51 | superlinux | i found online some people manufacture the converter |
| 13:45.03 | babilen | helo: it might be enough to just edit that file to fit your needs though |
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| 13:45.14 | abrotman | superlinux: #hardware please |
| 13:45.22 | wooj | kent\n, if you don't like making .debs, use Stow or some such other system to manage your apps you build from source |
| 13:45.25 | jelly | kent\n: dunno, 80% of the time stuff just builds for me |
| 13:45.45 | jelly | ymmv ;-) |
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| 13:45.59 | superlinux | abrotman: @ your command |
| 13:46.17 | izua | i installed nfs and nfsd |
| 13:46.20 | themill | kent\n: Debian is not really designed to have a build system for the user -- if you think it's horrible it's because you're missing the point; similarly if you think testing is better for a server than a desktop, then you're also missing the point of stable. |
| 13:46.55 | themill | s/a desktop/stable/ |
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| 13:47.07 | izua | whenever my system shutsdown, it first stops the services, then unmounts the partitions. i have a few nfs shares in /etc/fstab. so as you can imagine, it won't be able to unmount the shares, cause the service is gone |
| 13:47.14 | jelly | themill: he's not missing the point, he's complaining it's hard to manage a system that requires lots of backports, and I see where he's coming from |
| 13:47.16 | izua | but it just hangs there for like 10 minutes before deciding to shut down |
| 13:47.25 | izua | (says something about CIFS) |
| 13:47.33 | themill | jelly: fsvo requires.... |
| 13:47.51 | izua | first, how can i fix it, except manually unmounting the shares before shutdown/reboot? |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | jelly: NEEDZ KDE4PLZKTHX :) |
| 13:47.58 | kent\n | I understand what "stable" is, but debian stable criteria is OVERKILL. Thats why Im using *testing* because its *not* overkill, and thats why on my own machine, where stablitiy is of 0 concern, I'm using bleeding edge everywhere. |
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| 13:48.11 | izua | second, is it safe at that point if I do sysrq+alt+O or B ? |
| 13:48.20 | themill | jelly: and managing a system that requires a few backports is still going to be a damned sight easier than gentoo, which is his preference, it seems |
| 13:48.41 | justin | izua: that's odd, pretty sure that shouldn't happen |
| 13:48.50 | wooj | themill, gentoo is faster. It has racing stripes. |
| 13:48.51 | themill | kent\n: right... except that it seems you actually need stable on this xen machine of yours, don't you? |
| 13:49.00 | justin | wooj: and speed holes |
| 13:49.07 | themill | wooj: no, red ones go faster. |
| 13:49.13 | wooj | themill, so true. |
| 13:49.14 | izua | justing, well, if i manually unmount the partitions before reboot/shutdown, that doesn't happen |
| 13:49.22 | valan | it's a red gentoo with white racing stripes! |
| 13:49.28 | izua | so i'm pretty sure that's the issue. not sure how to check shutdown messages, though |
| 13:49.47 | kent\n | themill: in this case, the recent additon of stuff pulling libc-2.9 is my only problem, if I can say "hey, don't do that", then I don't need stable, I can do resolution for anything that doesn't pull libc 2.9 |
| 13:49.51 | jelly | themill: I have no idea how hard is gentoo to update so cannot comment, but I suspect it's a single command |
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| 13:50.19 | themill | jelly: same if you're using backports.org |
| 13:50.35 | themill | kent\n: you could always rewrite the software that needs the newer version of libc to not use those features. |
| 13:50.35 | valan | thanks jelly you just reminded me to safe-upgrade :) |
| 13:50.42 | jelly | kent\n: you'd have to hold libc6 and backport all the stuff you need, _which is exactly what you'd do on stable_ |
| 13:50.43 | kent\n | wooj: don't pull the rice argument on me, I don't care for it, I build everything with full test suites, with reasonably generic build flags. |
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| 13:50.54 | mooperd1 | Hi, I am trying to enable pop for dovecot on my debian server. I have put "protocols = imap imaps pop3" but it is refusing connections. |
| 13:51.00 | babilen | helo: did that work for you? |
| 13:51.01 | wooj | jelly, its only one command, but there is a tendancy for gentoo to have broken ebuilds, from my experience with it. |
| 13:51.12 | kent\n | themill: ew? no thanks. |
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| 13:51.28 | jelly | themill: bah, no real software _requires_ libc6 2.9, it's just the default buildpackage generated depends |
| 13:51.34 | kent\n | themill: theres one thing worse than building everything yourself, and thats *PATCHING* every godamn thing yourself |
| 13:51.48 | wooj | kent\n, I wasn't even directing my snarky comments at you specifically. Use whatever you like best. |
| 13:51.49 | valan | i love building and patching everything myself |
| 13:51.50 | jelly | themill: s/rewrite the software/rebuild the software/ |
| 13:51.52 | mooperd1 | I restarted the deamon, but it is refusing connections. |
| 13:51.56 | valan | i also love lfs :) |
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| 13:52.41 | kent\n | writes an ebuild for everything that he installs, even when the thing he installs he wrote himself |
| 13:52.50 | kent\n | ( if one does not exist that is ) |
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| 13:53.37 | n3kl | if thats what you enjoy spending your time on |
| 13:53.49 | themill | jelly: symbol deps should actually pick the version required by the build. Might not be required by the source, but it's actually the minimum version required by the build |
| 13:53.59 | kent\n | imho, gentoo is like lfs with all the annoying parts abstracted away, but ymmv. etc.etc |
| 13:54.11 | themill | jelly: (i.e. it's not just *current*, it's minimum required) |
| 13:54.19 | valan | imho, gentoo is lfs for noobies ;) |
| 13:54.36 | n3kl | archlinux is better than either |
| 13:54.44 | valan | i would not agree at all |
| 13:54.45 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 13:54.48 | jelly | themill: for libc6 that almost always the same as the current IME |
| 13:55.00 | valan | #debian-chat > #debian-offtopic |
| 13:55.01 | kent\n | points towards #debian-haters |
| 13:55.04 | kent\n | ;) |
| 13:55.10 | abrotman | valan: hardly |
| 13:55.20 | themill | jelly: sometimes, not always. First random example I picked http://packages.debian.org/sid/apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 13:55.41 | kent\n | (tr|l)ol{1,2} |
| 13:55.51 | jelly | kent\n: your workflow clashes with best practice... even if you deem that practice to be horrible. ;-) |
| 13:56.06 | kent\n | best practises change. |
| 13:56.39 | jelly | somehow I strongly doubt running testing on production machines will become preferred to stable+own backports |
| 13:56.42 | kent\n | also, they're highly subjective in nature,. |
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| 13:57.22 | kent\n | well, when *upstream* consider them stable, but debain dont yet because the arbitrary window of time has not elapsed yet, I call bollocs on the idea |
| 13:57.23 | jelly | I prefer to optimize for least time spent. |
| 13:57.28 | themill | kent\n: you have no security support, you have packages in an uninstallable state and you can't even upgrade to the current set of packages in testing. How is that best practice by any measure? |
| 13:57.46 | jelly | themill: "it usually works, except when it breaks like just now" |
| 13:57.54 | themill | *nod* |
| 13:58.00 | helo | babilen, abrotman: hmm... apparently eth0 was still my old machine's card this whole time... not sure how it was working without intervention with only eth0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces for the last few weeks... |
| 13:58.22 | themill | kent\n: stable is also about playing nicely with all the other kiddies on the box. Interactions between packages are often not considered by upstream and that's where the distributions spend their time |
| 13:58.27 | mamalujo_ | what might be the cause of partially loosing unicode support? it seems to work in console, and in GUI apps, but mpd started refusing to read directories with non-ASCI chars, even though it played them before, and they dont show up in terminal apps, like mc or even regular ls, or in a newsfeed reader that used to do them fine. rtorrent seems to show them fine still though. I made some mess in my system with checkinstall of a repo version of my window ... |
| 13:58.33 | kent\n | themill: thats why I installed some security updates this week.... |
| 13:58.33 | mamalujo_ | ... manager around that time, havent yet recovered it, perhaps that install did something, or my configuring of a different desktop in the meantime.. |
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| 13:59.20 | junix | is there a way to boot into init 3 from grub?? |
| 13:59.54 | kent\n | themill: shocking fact: code, no matter how stable, has bugs, just you haven't discovered them yet. |
| 14:00.09 | themill | gives up on kentn |
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| 14:00.26 | stew | search for bugs in the knuth books for profit |
| 14:00.33 | valan | code only has bugs if the coder codes them! |
| 14:00.50 | kent\n | I know what you're saying, but its mostly an abstract notion that over time has lost relevance to me |
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| 14:01.15 | themill | except that you're now stuck and can't get around this problem |
| 14:01.21 | stew | seriously, if you think there are definately bugs in code, no matter how stable, just find them in the knuth books, he pays double for each subsequent one found |
| 14:01.26 | wooj | I can write a program with NO bug |
| 14:01.27 | kent\n | simply giving code more time to bitrot so you have more chance to discover bugs is sillyness imho. |
| 14:01.32 | wooj | 10 PRINT "Hello World!" |
| 14:01.33 | wooj | done. |
| 14:01.48 | kent\n | wooj: right, I'll give you a terminal with a closed stdout |
| 14:01.53 | stew | unexpected token: 10 |
| 14:02.02 | wooj | stew, lol! |
| 14:02.08 | themill | wooj: Wishlist: please also say "goodbye" |
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| 14:02.24 | valan | 20 PRINT "Goodbye" |
| 14:02.27 | valan | 30 GOTO 10 |
| 14:02.53 | wooj | 10 ? "Hello, Goodbye" |
| 14:03.02 | kent\n | bug #3 Code ceases to terminate, Closed, Wont Fix: Feature. |
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| 14:03.28 | valan | basic was fun |
| 14:03.31 | valan | 15 years ago |
| 14:03.47 | kent\n | lies |
| 14:03.53 | kent\n | basic was never fun. |
| 14:03.57 | valan | it was |
| 14:04.01 | valan | for all of about 18 seconds |
| 14:04.11 | valan | when i found gorillas |
| 14:04.16 | wooj | kent\n, Will not fix bug, Any change will negatively impact well |
| 14:04.16 | wooj | designed architectures for the sole benefit of this embedded crap. |
| 14:04.25 | nkuttler | basic was fun was fun when i was 6 |
| 14:04.39 | wooj | valan, I liked nibbles. |
| 14:04.58 | valan | i hacked nibbles to never grow a tail |
| 14:05.17 | kent\n | many bugs exist in things and you legitamise them as expected behaviours given domain scope |
| 14:05.42 | valan | many bugs to one person might in fact be intended behavior |
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| 14:06.04 | kent\n | I mean sure, you could argue all code is a bug because you can't feed it as-is into a turing machine |
| 14:06.30 | kent\n | you need to parse it first, convert it to opcodes, etc, and then run that instead |
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| 14:06.49 | Symbi0nt | how can I update libncurses5? |
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| 14:06.54 | valan | that's not a bug, it's an intended feature not to be turing compatible |
| 14:06.58 | Symbi0nt | aptitude install libncurses does not work |
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| 14:07.01 | jelly | Symbi0nt: what seems to be the problem with it? |
| 14:07.05 | Symbi0nt | or at least does not performs an update |
| 14:07.12 | kent\n | valan: I can smell somebody whos' used php ;) |
| 14:07.18 | valan | Symbi0nt have you run aptitude update first? |
| 14:07.18 | Symbi0nt | I need ffmpeg and lame working to gether |
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| 14:07.24 | valan | i still use php on occassion |
| 14:07.31 | wooj | has never used php. |
| 14:07.35 | Symbi0nt | lame installing with dpkg -i lame_..... gives an error |
| 14:07.41 | Symbi0nt | that the version is to low |
| 14:07.45 | valan | c is preferred in almost every case of everything though |
| 14:07.49 | jelly | Symbi0nt: just run aptitude -f install |
| 14:07.59 | wooj | valan, I prefer pascal to C. I'm weird. |
| 14:08.11 | valan | except where sh and shell tools would be better suited to the task |
| 14:08.26 | kent\n | having learn't perl, I consider php pure lunacy, and wish to never be forced to code in it again |
| 14:08.31 | jelly | Symbi0nt: you could just enable repositories from "/msg dpkg dmm" and use lame from there |
| 14:08.36 | kent\n | damn me and my auto-apostrophe's |
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| 14:09.20 | jelly | judd: versions lame |
| 14:09.21 | judd | jelly: lame -- etch-multimedia: 3.97-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4 sid-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4 squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4 |
| 14:09.29 | valan | perl just never turned me on |
| 14:09.50 | kent\n | oh man, I just found one good reason for testing, moose is so far out of date on stable its a joke, and Im pretty sure all the interactions that mean anything to me are taken care of |
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| 14:10.43 | junix | is there a way to boot into init 3 from grub?? |
| 14:10.49 | kent\n | 0.54 is a year old already. |
| 14:11.14 | mexx | hello |
| 14:11.29 | nkuttler | kent\n: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:11.43 | justin | junix: press e, add 3 to the kernel cli |
| 14:11.56 | kent\n | nkuttler: I think you missed the conversation |
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| 14:12.06 | junix | ok |
| 14:12.07 | kent\n | but backporting moose would require backporting a stack of dependancies too |
| 14:12.35 | nkuttler | kent\n: dunno. upgrading to testing because of moose sounds like an excuse for me |
| 14:12.37 | mexx | I'm trying to set up an ipsec tunnel between lenny's racoon and openbsd using x509 certs and get this message: ERROR: failed to get peers CERT. |
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| 14:13.15 | justin | junix: you are not trying to boot into runlevel 3 because you don't want X to start, are you? |
| 14:13.31 | junix | yes, cause it locks up the whole system! |
| 14:13.32 | nsadmin | mexx: so what information are you looking for next |
| 14:13.55 | justin | junix: you want single user mode then |
| 14:14.00 | junix | no |
| 14:14.02 | junix | not single user |
| 14:14.10 | mexx | nsadmin: well i'd like to know what i'm doing wrong |
| 14:14.18 | kent\n | is there a way to retrive a list of packages install on my system that are from a given stablity level? |
| 14:14.20 | justin | junix: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:14.25 | nick_h | i generated a patch with "diff -up file.old file.new". however, when i apply the patch, the message "missing header for unified diff" occurs. any idea why? |
| 14:14.27 | nsadmin | mexx: how can you find out? |
| 14:14.27 | junix | ok |
| 14:14.30 | kent\n | ie: see what I have installed that is from testing instead of lenny? |
| 14:15.02 | Symbi0nt | "The following packages have been kept back: ffmpeg, ...." what does that mean, how can I update them? |
| 14:15.16 | justin | nick_h: apply it how? |
| 14:15.17 | Symbi0nt | -f install ffmpeg brings up an score but does nothing on "yes" |
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| 14:15.34 | justin | Symbi0nt: try apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 14:15.39 | nick_h | justin: "patch -p1 file.old <the_patch" |
| 14:15.48 | mexx | nsadmin: i don't know, that's why i came here :) |
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| 14:15.53 | babilen | Symbi0nt: which package manager are you using? |
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| 14:16.11 | kedare | Hi all ;) |
| 14:16.19 | Symbi0nt | well aptitude, apt-get or dpkg |
| 14:16.25 | Symbi0nt | all I need I thought |
| 14:16.34 | babilen | Symbi0nt: pick one and stick with it ;-) |
| 14:16.42 | Symbi0nt | I like aptitude |
| 14:16.51 | nick_h | Symbi0nt: good choice |
| 14:16.53 | kedare | Do somebody know where are logged the authentications ? (failure or not) my /var/log/auth.log is empty (i use a debian VM using xenserver template, lenny) |
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| 14:17.04 | nsadmin | mexx: if the machine failed to get peer's cert, where might information about this be? |
| 14:17.29 | babilen | Symbi0nt: really! the dependency handling between aptitude and aptget differs and i really advise you to stay with one of them |
| 14:17.31 | nick_h | kedare: by default, Debian logs all auth successful and failed log-in attempts to /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:17.38 | justin | nick_h: you've got the options backwards |
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| 14:17.44 | babilen | Symbi0nt: you could try "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 14:17.49 | Symbi0nt | " lame: Depends: libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3) but 5.5-5 is installed. ..." |
| 14:17.49 | justin | nick_h: normally you just want patch -p0 < the_patch |
| 14:17.51 | Symbi0nt | narf |
| 14:18.02 | kedare | nick_h: but where can i know where it's logged if my auth.log is empty ? |
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| 14:18.13 | Symbi0nt | I have no idea what that ncurses is but it blocks |
| 14:18.17 | babilen | Symbi0nt: packages are held back for example because the update would cause the removal of other packages, or things like that |
| 14:18.19 | jelly | Symbi0nt: I didn't say "aptitude -f install packagename", but just "aptitude -f install". |
| 14:18.21 | nsadmin | mexx: do you really want to know "what you did wrong" or do you want to know "what happened" from the perspective of each end? |
| 14:18.22 | nick_h | kedare: i'd start looking at your PAM settings, and searching google |
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| 14:18.32 | themill | Symbi0nt: why are you mixing etch and lenny here? |
| 14:18.33 | justin | nick_h: patch -p0 file.old < the_patch will probably work |
| 14:18.35 | Symbi0nt | jelly I did both |
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| 14:19.01 | jelly | Symbi0nt: ok. Purge that manually installed lame first, then use "aptitude install lame" |
| 14:19.04 | Symbi0nt | uh ... damn I think I am on etch with this serer, the other one was lenny .. |
| 14:19.05 | Symbi0nt | grrr |
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| 14:19.24 | jelly | Symbi0nt: make sure you use the correct dmm repo |
| 14:19.33 | mexx | nsadmin: that's what openbsd's side says if that's what you mean: transport_send_messages: giving up on exchange peer-xx.xx.xx.xx, no response from peer xx.xx.xx.xx:500 |
| 14:19.48 | themill | Symbi0nt: perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy". it's likely that you've got "stable" rather than "etch" somewhere. |
| 14:19.48 | nick_h | justin: ah, you're right. thanks |
| 14:19.57 | babilen | Symbi0nt: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:20.01 | nsadmin | mexx and what does the other side say? |
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| 14:21.03 | ChrisW | hey all, my headless debian box stopped responding some time today and I had to power cycle it to bring it back... came up fine, but where would I look to find out why it died? |
| 14:21.14 | nsadmin | perhaps if you could watch the logs of both sides at the same tiem while you make attempts, you might get some new information |
| 14:21.22 | nick_h | justin: and to un-apply the patch, i simply run "patch -R -p0 <the_patch", right? |
| 14:21.28 | ChrisW | (where "died" may mean something as simple as networking going down... it's headless afterall) |
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| 14:22.15 | justin | nick_h: I guess |
| 14:22.16 | nick_h | ChrisW: start in /var/log/{syslog,messages} |
| 14:22.17 | ChrisW | syslog has only this that looks out of the ordinary: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/123644/ |
| 14:22.25 | ChrisW | but I don't know what it means |
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| 14:23.06 | ChrisW | /var/log/messages has: Jun 17 04:19:08 server2 kernel: [448175.856073] res 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout) |
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| 14:23.22 | ChrisW | and then no more marks until I restarted the box |
| 14:23.28 | nick_h | ChrisW: have you searched google for "exception Emask"? |
| 14:23.33 | mexx | nsadmin: ERROR: failed to get peers CERT. |
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| 14:24.10 | ChrisW | nick_h: nope, just did, didn't return anything meaningful to me... |
| 14:24.40 | nick_h | ChrisW: try again. it returned several results to me that look similar to your problem |
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| 14:25.06 | ChrisW | all the ones I saw were problems on boot, this was a machine that'd been up for ages |
| 14:25.11 | deed02392 | hi all i'm looking for a utility on debian that will act as a mass mailer, such that when one person sends an email to it, that message will be forwarded to a pre-dertermined list of people. that is rather than the original sender needing to add multiple recipients every time they need to email members of a group. does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 14:25.20 | nsadmin | mexx: so that's the local end? |
| 14:25.20 | ChrisW | ...and I'm not running Ubuntu |
| 14:25.21 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys .....i have got a problem here ...and i think its big |
| 14:25.23 | dacs | good morning folks |
| 14:25.33 | nick_h | deed02392: you're thinking of a...mailing list! |
| 14:25.37 | kent\n | bets its my momma |
| 14:25.44 | nick_h | deed02392: try groups.google.com |
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| 14:25.49 | mexx | nsadmin: yes |
| 14:25.50 | deed02392 | yeah but can that work without any UI nick_h? |
| 14:25.56 | deed02392 | and without the recipients needing to do anything |
| 14:26.02 | nsadmin | and you have admin access to the remote machine? |
| 14:26.09 | mexx | nsadmin: yes |
| 14:26.15 | janolap1 | Hi, I would like to add a dell MIB to my server and access it with snmpwalk. Can you help me ? |
| 14:26.17 | nick_h | deed02392: read up on mailing lists, and potentially Google Groups |
| 14:26.18 | nsadmin | that's handy... |
| 14:26.25 | ChrisW | deed02392: you sure you're not building a spambot? |
| 14:26.42 | deed02392 | yes ChrisW i'm quite certain |
| 14:26.53 | nsadmin | so you need to find out why the remote is giving up |
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| 14:27.14 | ChrisW | oh well, then yes, mailing lists are what you're after, google groups, mailman, or even something simple like setting up a group in Thunderbird ;-) |
| 14:27.44 | deed02392 | they won't be happy having to setup any software or anything |
| 14:27.52 | ChrisW | nick_h: any chance you could tell me what you noticed by googling rather than just telling me you've noticed something which I didn't or can't understand? |
| 14:28.06 | ChrisW | deed02392: who is "they"? |
| 14:28.09 | deed02392 | i'm hoping to just be able to give them an address ie list@ourdomain.co.uk which when receives an email auto forwards it to lots of people |
| 14:28.17 | nick_h | ChrisW: are you running Ubuntu? |
| 14:28.17 | deed02392 | you won't know them ChrisW |
| 14:28.30 | ChrisW | and who's going to set up the auto forwards? |
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| 14:28.43 | ChrisW | nick_h: I already told you I'm not... |
| 14:28.43 | deed02392 | well me, i'm the only one with tech know-how |
| 14:28.54 | ChrisW | apparently, not that much tech know-how |
| 14:29.19 | deed02392 | well that's nice and constructive, thank you ChrisW for your opinion |
| 14:29.20 | nick_h | ChrisW: i must have missed that message |
| 14:29.25 | nsadmin | if they don't want to do shit, then I hope you're getting paid very well |
| 14:29.28 | ChrisW | *you* can set up several things which will work for that, from a simple postfix group (I'm sure exim as something similar) to a mailing list on mailman, or a google group |
| 14:29.28 | janolap1 | Is there any MIB guru ? |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | Men In Black? |
| 14:29.51 | nsadmin | janolap1: /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:29.54 | jelly | deed02392: the simplest thing possible is to add an entry to /etc/aliases |
| 14:29.57 | nsadmin | janolap1: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 14:29.58 | karlpinc | My fstab file (on etch) has sw in the mount options column for swap partitions. I don't see this documented. What's the story? |
| 14:30.03 | ChrisW | deed02392: as others have already said, in your can I'd suggest google groups |
| 14:30.09 | Faithful | is etch the current stable? |
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| 14:30.14 | deed02392 | go on jelly? |
| 14:30.17 | nsadmin | no lenny is |
| 14:30.21 | karlpinc | Faithful : Etch is old stable. |
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| 14:30.29 | jelly | deed02392: list: recip1@example.org, recip2@example.org [, ...] |
| 14:30.35 | Faithful | So it is lenny now? |
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| 14:30.43 | ChrisW | look at "Google Apps for Your Domain" and you can probably set up a mailing list under your own domain rather than groups.google.com |
| 14:30.44 | nsadmin | yes lenny is |
| 14:30.57 | Faithful | that was a much quicker move than sarge -> etch |
| 14:30.59 | nsadmin | Faithful: www.debian.org |
| 14:31.18 | jelly | deed02392: depending on your MTA, you might or might not have to run /usr/sbin/newaliases after |
| 14:31.19 | dacs | how can i setup my box to use mailx please |
| 14:31.30 | deed02392 | ok cheers jelly |
| 14:31.39 | mexx | ok well I was doing public key authentification instead of x509 |
| 14:31.40 | nsadmin | it's much better you go there to find that kind of question than ask any human |
| 14:31.50 | nick_h | ChrisW: my google searches for "exception Emask" and "status drdy" gave many results that discussed HD problems. i suggest you run some HD diagnostics |
| 14:32.13 | nsadmin | mexx: and neither the remote nor the local understood that? |
| 14:32.14 | karlpinc | dacs: aptitude install mailx |
| 14:32.20 | ChrisW | nick_h: can you recommend any to run? |
| 14:32.21 | cobra-the-joker | i found in the boot record have two kernal modules ..and actually i didnt install any .( and when i opened the other one ....failures happened ) ....and then when i opened the old one ...it told me to make maintanence ...so i made fsck ...and it ran after that ( but slow booting ) |
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| 14:33.10 | nick_h | ChrisW: did you say that the box in question is a VPS? |
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| 14:33.42 | mexx | nsadmin: racoon was expecting x509 and getting pubkey, thus the message |
| 14:34.07 | ChrisW | nick_h: no, I said it's headless... no monitor, no keyboard, just a network connection |
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| 14:34.13 | nsadmin | mexx: so did you fix that? |
| 14:34.31 | luckylucy | format date as week of the month? 1-4, 1-5 or whatever? |
| 14:34.36 | mexx | nsadmin: about to do it :) |
| 14:35.20 | nsadmin | mexx: so in summary... once you became curious about what was actually happening between the two ends, more information became visible. yes? |
| 14:36.07 | nsadmin | or more correctly you began to perceive what was already visible |
| 14:36.13 | nick_h | ChrisW: if your HD(s) support SMART, use smartctl |
| 14:36.51 | nick_h | ChrisW: this is the 3rd result from searching google for "status drdy": http://lists-archives.org/linux-kernel/14289423-the-never-enfind-drdy-saga.html |
| 14:36.56 | mexx | nsadmin: thanks for showing me how to go for a problem, i was just being lazy and asking if someone had already seen the problem* |
| 14:37.39 | nsadmin | mexx: it was the only way, since the number of possibilities for what was wrong were endless |
| 14:38.00 | nick_h | ChrisW: and the response to that message sounds applicable to you, too: http://lists-archives.org/linux-kernel/14289444-the-never-enfind-drdy-saga.html |
| 14:38.34 | ChrisW | just werid that ti happened after the box had been up for a week or two working just fine... |
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| 14:39.17 | nick_h | ChrisW: when it comes to hardware, little surprises me anymore. weird stuff happens |
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| 14:40.10 | mexx | bye |
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| 14:42.04 | dacs | i did mailx -s "Test" myemail@gmail.com < filename. look like it took it with no errors , but haven't receive the mail yet..where can i check the logs |
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| 14:42.42 | nick_h | dacs: which mta are you running? |
| 14:42.47 | cobra-the-joker | pls ...any body respond to my problem |
| 14:42.49 | petemc | dacs: wherever your sendmail compatible mta logs to |
| 14:42.55 | ChrisW | oh well, thanks, I'll have a poke around... |
| 14:43.41 | OpenTokix | There, 2.6.30 bleeding edge =) |
| 14:43.45 | dacs | petemc: nick_h : i don't know what is mta? looks like i need to do some reading, but i don't know where to start |
| 14:44.05 | SRN9 | quick and perhaps strange question, I was trying ubuntu then Sidux and now just sticking with Lenny... I wass trying to use Kino on all three. Each time all deps satisfied but only in Debian stable its working flawlessly now would this just be due to the individual distros and there setup? |
| 14:44.08 | danilom | hi in debian sid is missing the spca5xx package?? how can i install a genius ge111 webcam? |
| 14:44.12 | nick_h | dacs: mta == mail transfer agent. eg: exim, sendmail, postfix, nullmailer, etc |
| 14:44.12 | petemc | dacs: readlink -f $(which sendmail) |
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| 14:44.31 | nsadmin | there's a book called Sendmail publ by orielly that defines what "mta" is :) |
| 14:44.36 | jelly | petemc: hey, it's always in /usr/sbin/sendmail (or it's not Debian) |
| 14:44.53 | petemc | jelly: right, and that can be a symlink to exim |
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| 14:45.03 | petemc | but yes, i take your point |
| 14:45.10 | jelly | oh. dpkg -S ftw |
| 14:45.10 | dacs | petemc: /usr/sbin/exim4 |
| 14:45.24 | nick_h | jelly: you're faster than me! |
| 14:45.25 | petemc | dacs: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:45.28 | nick_h | dacs: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:45.35 | jelly | likes that $( ) can be nested |
| 14:46.55 | Hajuu | is there something I can run to get the current terminals pid? |
| 14:47.00 | Hajuu | pidof will work, but will require alot of processing really, is there something I can run just to get the current terminals pid? |
| 14:47.21 | jelly | Hajuu: some shells have $PPID |
| 14:47.33 | chavodelocho | hi guys, I want to keep some servers equal to the one server that I have, I got the /var/cache/apt/archives, how can I update the system based only in these packages? |
| 14:47.38 | Hajuu | ooh |
| 14:47.40 | Hajuu | that works |
| 14:47.41 | Hajuu | thanks :) |
| 14:48.24 | stew | Hajuu: if not: ps -o ppid $$ |
| 14:48.31 | jelly | Hajuu: and all posixy shells have $$, so that ps -fp $$ (or a more specific -o ppid) would work |
| 14:48.38 | justin | chavodelocho: /msg dpkg selections |
| 14:48.40 | jelly | !win stew |
| 14:48.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 14:49.00 | justin | chavodelocho: if you don't have a local mirror you can save bandwidth by copying the .debs to the archives dir on the other server |
| 14:49.13 | Hajuu | ahh the env-var will require the least processing |
| 14:49.19 | Hajuu | which is why I didnt want to use pidof |
| 14:49.20 | jelly | Hajuu: but... what if you're inside screen! |
| 14:49.21 | Hajuu | so thanks |
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| 14:49.35 | Hajuu | jelly: my needs are specific. |
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| 14:50.06 | dacs | nick_h: exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:50.22 | jelly | HUPs Hajuu's parent. pid. |
| 14:50.47 | Hajuu | HUP? |
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| 14:51.44 | chavodelocho | justin : I already copied these packages to the other server... |
| 14:52.38 | michaelwooo | hi guys, i have a laptop use gma950 video card which dont support 1280by768 in its bios, so i cant set the best resolution, anyone have a idea? |
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| 14:52.52 | nsadmin | Hajuu man kill for details on HUP |
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| 14:54.15 | Hajuu | the lowest level exit signal possible? |
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| 14:54.56 | Hajuu | thats all it really says is that its signal id is 1 and that its action is exit |
| 14:54.59 | NeoLobster | Can anyone tell me where I can find a PHP 4.4.6+ package for Debian? It would appear that all the debian mirrors stop at 4.4.4-9. |
| 14:55.28 | Hajuu | NeoLobster: You should really consider switching to PHP5 already.. |
| 14:55.29 | themill | NeoLobster: php5 is available for etch and lenny |
| 14:55.37 | NeoLobster | themill: I didn't ask about php5. |
| 14:55.42 | NeoLobster | My software is not compatible with php5 |
| 14:55.45 | Hajuu | ohh |
| 14:55.46 | Hajuu | sass'd |
| 14:55.52 | nsadmin | Hajuu: are you running (say) an ftpd? |
| 14:55.54 | rui | no quanta plus on squeeze? |
| 14:56.10 | themill | NeoLobster: time to be rewriting it then.... php4 has no future |
| 14:56.18 | WormFood | the man page for gtorrentviewer says it can edit a torrent file. Is that statement in error, or am I doing something wrong, because I can't get this fucker to edit shit. |
| 14:56.22 | Hajuu | nsadmin: no, only a http server, and thats outside my chroot |
| 14:56.24 | themill | !php4 |
| 14:56.24 | dpkg | [php4 security] pretty poor, judging by their track record. Note that since PHP4 is being abandoned by upstream (PHP5 was released some years ago after all!), it has been removed from Debian for lenny onwards. If an application still hasn't been updated to work with PHP5, then you probably don't want to use it anyway. |
| 14:56.38 | rudi_s | Hi. Does anybody know if the Foxcon A6VMX motherboard works on lenny (or can tell me a link where I can find out)? Thanks. |
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| 14:57.05 | Gryfelhase | Are this vserver-linux-images for guest oder hosts ? |
| 14:57.59 | NeoLobster | themill: yeah, well, at least 4.4.6 isn't full of buffer vulnerabilities. You guys still offer php 4.4.4-9, which is hugely more insecure than 4.4.6 |
| 14:57.59 | Hajuu | the differences between php5 and php4 are so small that adjusting a script wouldnt take longer than an hour |
| 14:57.59 | themill | Hajuu: only if it's helloworld.php. |
| 14:58.00 | NeoLobster | Hajuu: reassigning $this thousands of places in code |
| 14:58.00 | nsadmin | Hajuu: read the man page on that server, you're trying to answer the question "how do I cause the server to re-read its config files" |
| 14:58.00 | Hajuu | heh true, NeoLobster |
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| 14:58.00 | Hajuu | NeoLobster: even the way oop works isnt that different |
| 14:58.04 | Hajuu | its just.. not so quirky |
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| 14:58.26 | Hajuu | PHP4 is like emulated oop, but its not emulated entirely differently or anything heh |
| 14:58.26 | NeoLobster | Hajuu: I understand the differences between 4 and 5. I really do. But when a customer says "patch this security problem now" |
| 14:58.34 | themill | Hajuu: they changed assignment from assign-by-copy to assign-by-reference for objects. That breaks a truckload of code. |
| 14:58.42 | Hajuu | then you tell them that will be two thousand dollars thanks |
| 14:58.45 | NeoLobster | and you don't have weeks to dedicate to rewriting software, it would be nice to not be kicked in the face by debian's idea that PHP4 and PHP5 are the same product. |
| 14:58.47 | Hajuu | to upgrade your code to php 5 |
| 14:58.58 | NeoLobster | They're not even the same product. Honestly. |
| 14:59.07 | Hajuu | .. Thats simply not true. |
| 14:59.14 | danilom | hi what is the name of the package for debian sid to install drivers for webcams? |
| 14:59.16 | Hajuu | The differences are mainly functional. |
| 14:59.19 | themill | NeoLobster: debian doesn't believe that php4 and php5 are the same -- debian has supported php4 for much longer than the php upstream has |
| 14:59.22 | Hajuu | And can be detailed quite succinctly |
| 14:59.33 | cousin_luigi | hi |
| 14:59.41 | Hajuu | anyway you can always build from source, NeoLobster |
| 14:59.48 | cousin_luigi | I'd like to load a few rules at startup: what is the most suitable place to put them into? |
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| 14:59.52 | NeoLobster | ugh. |
| 14:59.53 | themill | Hajuu: succinct list of changes and easy to fix existing code are rather different things |
| 15:00.10 | Hajuu | heh themill: ive worked in php exclusively more or less for 10 years |
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| 15:00.17 | Hajuu | I do know a few things about how it works |
| 15:00.21 | Hajuu | :) |
| 15:00.23 | dacs | anyone knows a good 101 for exim4 i never used it before or any mail in debian |
| 15:00.42 | nsadmin | lol? |
| 15:00.49 | nsadmin | l0l? |
| 15:01.00 | themill | Hajuu: right -- so you'd know why it's non-trivial to upgrade code to php5 and that it's not just a 1 hour job |
| 15:01.02 | petemc | dacs: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config , if that doesnt do what you need you would have a lot of reading in front of you |
| 15:01.03 | nsadmin | you're wanting what? |
| 15:01.22 | Hajuu | I didn't say it wasnt possible to be difficult |
| 15:01.41 | themill | NeoLobster: anyway, why do you specifically want 4.4.6? |
| 15:01.47 | Hajuu | but just because some systems administrator thinks its too difficult really doesnt mean anything if at the end of the day your left with a crap product |
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| 15:03.24 | abrotman | stew: do you know where in Policy it talks about the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
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| 15:04.37 | Faithful | On a server with 16GB Ram do I really need a 40GB swap??? |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | Faithful: depends what the system will be doing |
| 15:04.59 | Faithful | Xen |
| 15:05.04 | petemc | if it runs oracle, probably |
| 15:05.04 | stew | abrotman: it might not |
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| 15:05.19 | stew | abrotman: well, it talks about them before they are installed in the source package |
| 15:05.31 | petemc | Faithful: the idea of swap space being a factor of ram size doesnt hold true any more |
| 15:05.48 | petemc | if it ever did.. |
| 15:06.16 | Hajuu | a 40gb swap?? |
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| 15:06.21 | Hajuu | are you serious? |
| 15:06.32 | stew | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html ? |
| 15:06.35 | Faithful | I just look at it as a back stop when you run out of memory, but ideally you shouldn't use it.. |
| 15:06.38 | cousin_luigi | I'd like to load a few rules at startup: what is the most suitable place to put them into? |
| 15:06.44 | Hajuu | lol yeah Faithful |
| 15:06.46 | Hajuu | thats what its for |
| 15:06.54 | Hajuu | not 40gig though |
| 15:06.56 | Hajuu | thats crazy.... |
| 15:07.04 | Hajuu | even for a cluster, 40gb of swap is crazy |
| 15:07.17 | Faithful | suggestions? |
| 15:07.30 | abrotman | stew: looking, thanks |
| 15:07.37 | Hajuu | 10gb absolutely max |
| 15:08.21 | danilom | spca5xx-source how to install it in debia sid?? |
| 15:08.30 | Hajuu | Like I said though even on a server cluster with 16gb ram, you shouldnt really be running out of memory |
| 15:08.34 | JyZyXEL | !gb |
| 15:08.34 | dpkg | i guess gb is an abbreviation for GigaByte. And also for Great Britain. Has also been associated with great beer & as an acronym for gurubonz. |
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| 15:08.37 | dcedilotte | Hajuu: depends on what you run. There's no rules for max. |
| 15:08.52 | JyZyXEL | stew, dpkg is wrong with that |
| 15:09.01 | Faithful | I have 2 Dual Quad Xeons with 16GB Ram Servers that will be RAID 1 / DRBD2 / OCFS2 / XEN |
| 15:09.10 | Hajuu | meh yeah its just swap |
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| 15:09.23 | JyZyXEL | "g" stands for gramm and "b"stands for bit |
| 15:09.23 | Hajuu | your ram really shouldnt be filling up, even with prolonged requests |
| 15:09.39 | Uther_P | can anyone suggest to me a possible reason for these kernel messages: http://pastebin.ca/1463521 <-- line 14 and 15 are repeated many times... but I cannot find what problems, if any, this may cause, but this server occationally has the oom_killer kill processes, wondered if this may be a source |
| 15:09.42 | justin | if you are running XEN then you don't really have 16G of ram |
| 15:09.49 | Uther_P | debian etch: 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 15:10.00 | justin | you have 16G of ram minus all the ram that your domUs take up |
| 15:10.09 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, dpkg is right, GB stands for gigabyte. "gb" doesn't stand for "gram bit" |
| 15:10.15 | Hajuu | meh, 10gb of ram goes a long way |
| 15:10.19 | Hajuu | a LONG way |
| 15:10.20 | stew | JyZyXEL: factoids are case insensitive |
| 15:10.24 | JyZyXEL | ;( |
| 15:10.36 | justin | most of my dom0's have like 256M of ram, swap can come in handy in that case |
| 15:11.03 | JyZyXEL | there should be a nagging factoid for people who say gb instead of GB |
| 15:11.18 | Hajuu | JyZyXEL: no because thats really annoying. |
| 15:11.18 | JyZyXEL | it hurts my eyes! |
| 15:11.20 | Hajuu | lol |
| 15:11.31 | dcedilotte | Hajuu: depends on what you run. |
| 15:11.37 | Hajuu | just lose all your standards, JyZyXEL |
| 15:11.54 | dacs | petemc: so where do you suggest i should start reading |
| 15:11.55 | themill | dpkg gb =~ s/an/<reply>GB is an/ |
| 15:11.55 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, themill |
| 15:11.57 | Hajuu | dcedilotte: no if you are filling up 16gb of ram and 10gb of swap, you need another server |
| 15:12.02 | Hajuu | or another node on your cluster |
| 15:12.02 | themill | oh so fail |
| 15:12.04 | Hajuu | period.. |
| 15:12.09 | Hajuu | Theres no ifs buts or maybe's |
| 15:12.13 | Faithful | justin, so the Dom0 doesn't really need much swap at all? |
| 15:12.13 | dcedilotte | Hajuu: what the hell do you know. |
| 15:12.15 | tingle | ho do i fetch the boot log? |
| 15:12.20 | jelly | JyZyXEL: how much RAM do you have in your machine? |
| 15:12.33 | justin | Faithful: 1G or so |
| 15:12.43 | JyZyXEL | jelly, why? |
| 15:12.43 | Faithful | Heh... |
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| 15:12.50 | Faithful | thanks justin |
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| 15:12.55 | jelly | JyZyXEL: I wonder. |
| 15:13.06 | justin | Faithful: your dom0 should only need at most 512M of ram allocated to it |
| 15:13.34 | justin | Faithful: I used to run the dom0's with 64M, but you can't fit dell OMSA in 64M :) |
| 15:14.25 | NeoLobster | apt-get question. If I have a package that the package manager is trying to remove when I install another one, how do I manually override the dependency to make it leave the other package alone? |
| 15:14.48 | Faithful | justin, could you banter through the partitioning with me... Should I be using LVM2 ? |
| 15:15.07 | Faithful | and raid 1 the PVs |
| 15:15.19 | justin | Faithful: I tend to make 2 partitions, a plain partition for /.. maybe 4G, then another partition for LVM |
| 15:15.23 | themill | NeoLobster: /msg dpkg dependency ; /msg dpkg bat |
| 15:15.28 | justin | Faithful: that way I don't also have to worry about issues with root-on-lvm |
| 15:16.31 | nsadmin | lvm2 as opposed to what? lvm1? |
| 15:16.37 | Faithful | justin, Ok... but I also have DRBD to consider and I have to think about which layer to put DRBD on |
| 15:16.57 | justin | Faithful: ah, you probably want to run lvm on top of drbd |
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| 15:17.26 | Faithful | nsadmin, just asking really for the sake of Xen about |
| 15:18.10 | Faithful | justin, so perhaps mdamd Raid 1 / DRBD / LVM / |
| 15:18.33 | nsadmin | what would you be thinking about as opposed to lvm2? (lvm1 is the one that doesn't use device mapper, has most of the smarts in the kernel module) |
| 15:18.39 | justin | Faithful: sounds about right |
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| 15:19.25 | justin | Faithful: thats a pretty common config these days I think, you should be able to find some more concrete examples of that setup |
| 15:19.32 | Faithful | nsadmin, I just used LVM2 because that's what it is... just like I said DRBD8 |
| 15:19.43 | iluminator101 | How do I disable Tor access to internet at bootup |
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| 15:21.07 | rudi_s | iluminator101: man update-rc.d if you want to stop starting it |
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| 15:21.51 | themill | or start stopping it, even! |
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| 15:23.28 | bgy | How to check if my firewire port is available/recognized ? |
| 15:23.45 | iluminator101 | thanks rudi_s i am checking up on it |
| 15:23.47 | rudi_s | ^^ |
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| 15:25.40 | nsadmin | bgy browse thru your dmesg output |
| 15:26.17 | bgy | nsadmin, when plug in a device ? |
| 15:26.47 | e0n` | man this is anoying so almost every morning, NFS hangs |
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| 15:27.09 | Uther_P | e0n`: "hangs"? |
| 15:27.17 | tingle | how can i cli check what kind of videocard i got? |
| 15:27.23 | e0n` | Jun 17 03:19:40 dune kernel: [78294.829932] nfs: server 192.168.0.100 not responding, still trying |
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| 15:27.34 | e0n` | Sits there doing that, when I know damn well NFS is still responding |
| 15:27.39 | Uther_P | the nfs server hangs? |
| 15:27.48 | e0n` | Uther_P: Client. |
| 15:28.00 | e0n` | And it's not hanging, the client thinks it is |
| 15:28.03 | e0n` | and just stailmates itself |
| 15:28.11 | Uther_P | wierd... what fixes it? just remounting? |
| 15:28.30 | e0n` | while another server, (I have 3 that are 100% identical, same packages, same hardware, same amount of ram same drive space etc. etc.) |
| 15:28.38 | e0n` | the 2 others work, this one just randomly likes to hang. |
| 15:28.49 | e0n` | Oddly enough about the same time every morning. |
| 15:29.08 | iluminator101 | whats the file that does the bootup sequence in debian |
| 15:29.19 | e0n` | initrd? |
| 15:29.22 | e0n` | or init. |
| 15:29.23 | Uther_P | bootup sequence? |
| 15:29.24 | Faithful | bgy lshw |
| 15:29.29 | Uther_P | init.... rc?.d/ |
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| 15:30.26 | iluminator101 | when you start the computer, it tell what files to run, in what order and so for |
| 15:30.44 | Uther_P | iluminator101: in /etc/inittab is a line like: id:2:initdefault:, thats the default runlevel... say its 2... then go to /etc/rc2.d/ and the links that start with an S get started, starting with a K get killed going into that runlevel |
| 15:30.48 | dcedilotte | e0n`, regarding your NFS issues, did you check the logs to see what's heppening? |
| 15:31.16 | MadMoney | NFS is horrible |
| 15:31.17 | e0n` | dcedilotte: That little flag that says it isn't responding, is all I get. |
| 15:31.23 | e0n` | Makes my life miserable for debugging. |
| 15:31.34 | MadMoney | Only use NFS if want your OS hang everytime the network fails |
| 15:31.35 | e0n` | I found a bug on the bugs.deb upgraded the kernel, problem still exists. |
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| 15:31.58 | JyZyXEL | i've never tried NFS |
| 15:32.07 | MadMoney | SMB is better |
| 15:32.07 | e0n` | So I reverted the change, to remove that catalyst. Back to square one |
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| 15:32.23 | e0n` | MadMoney: SMB over the WWW is about as smart as asking to be molested. |
| 15:32.57 | JyZyXEL | how about SMB over VPN |
| 15:33.07 | e0n` | JyZyXEL: Performance issues out the bum. |
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| 15:33.19 | Uther_P | hehe... samba can be made really secure though |
| 15:33.29 | e0n` | hah |
| 15:33.53 | justin | MadMoney: uh, nfs only causes the OS to hang if you've told it to do so |
| 15:33.54 | mitrax | the issue is not wether it's www or VPN, it's SMB is piss slow on any network with latencies higher than a few ms :) |
| 15:34.07 | e0n` | mitrax: bingo |
| 15:34.17 | tingle | !915resolution |
| 15:34.18 | dpkg | 915resolution is a tool (read, hack) available for Etch to transiently modify the video BIOS of Intel 8xx and 9xx integrated graphic chipsets, to achieve certain display resolutions in X.org. After installing, read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian for details. Not required on Lenny due to improvements in the Intel X.org display driver. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #484251. |
| 15:34.22 | e0n` | so you introduce VPN and you're just ASKING for a 4-5 second latency |
| 15:34.24 | e0n` | or more |
| 15:34.32 | e0n` | SMB is a scary protocol too |
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| 15:34.44 | JyZyXEL | isn't it designed by microsoft |
| 15:34.48 | Uther_P | cifs is better... but thats mostly what samba and windows use these days |
| 15:34.51 | justin | newer implementations of SMB aren't that bad, they actually use larger packets and tcp windows |
| 15:34.55 | Uther_P | smb hasn't been used in some time now |
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| 15:35.14 | justin | they still call it that though |
| 15:35.35 | Unode-[work] | hi everyone |
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| 15:36.28 | Faithful | justing about how much disk space for Dom0 ? |
| 15:36.38 | Faithful | 1GB ? |
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| 15:36.46 | justin | /dev/sda1 2.8G 1.1G 1.6G 40% / |
| 15:36.48 | bgy | Faithful, i did it before, but if i do a lshw | grep 1394 i got no results, does that mean my firewire is not recognized ? |
| 15:36.52 | Unode-[work] | any GNU screen users around? I'm trying to find a what to have screen source a different file depending on the project I'm in when screen is launched and fallback to a default setting if the project specific setting is not found. Any ideas on how I could achieve this? |
| 15:37.31 | bombaclat | hello, I am having a problem with sound on Lenny. Every time a sound starts/stops, I hear a crack/pop. I tried different soundcards (azalia onboard, ESI Juli@, SB Audigy). increasing PCI latency from 64 to 128, and even installing alsa from sid (1.0.20). Also tried headphones, same result every time. Any ideas? |
| 15:37.49 | Faithful | bgy lshw | less and look for *-firewire |
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| 15:38.12 | Faithful | if not then it is not working... |
| 15:38.16 | justin | Faithful: the one I just setup is using all of 800M, 250 or so of that is from the dell software |
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| 15:38.47 | Faithful | so what was 2.8G about? |
| 15:38.55 | justin | Faithful: total size |
| 15:39.15 | Faithful | Ok so a 3GB part then |
| 15:39.23 | justin | Faithful: if you want to play it safe and have tons of space 5G would be more than enough |
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| 15:39.44 | Faithful | Well I do have 1TB to play with |
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| 15:43.49 | helo | quit playin' with your teebee! |
| 15:43.51 | Faithful | Hmmm... lenny seems to be using LVM for raid setup in installer? |
| 15:44.27 | asg | Unode-[work]: you could just write a wrappper that starts screen with a different config depending on your project |
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| 15:45.21 | Unode-[work] | asg: That was my second option, I was just curious about if screen had any simple way to do this without relying on exec |
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| 15:45.27 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 15:46.08 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to send email from my lenny to internet and it doesnt work. I configured exim4 and it works fine sending email to LAN |
| 15:46.26 | petemc | edwin_quijada: what happens when you try? |
| 15:46.27 | edwin_quijada | but when I try to send to internet I get nothing |
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| 15:46.44 | petemc | what do the logs say? |
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| 15:47.07 | asg | edwin_quijada: does 'exim -bt address@internet.tld' show a working route path? |
| 15:47.11 | edwin_quijada | petemc: it seems like it sent good |
| 15:47.25 | petemc | edwin_quijada: you see "completed" in the log lines? |
| 15:47.27 | edwin_quijada | let me see |
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| 15:47.38 | themill | Unode-[work]: you could try setting $SCREENRC to .screenrc (rather than ~/.screenrc) before invoking screen |
| 15:48.23 | Hajuu | lol is it just me or is being here like, your job, themill? |
| 15:48.27 | Hajuu | do you even sleep>? |
| 15:48.34 | Hajuu | you're always here when I am heh |
| 15:49.04 | themill | I'm avoiding $job atm, actually.... |
| 15:49.18 | petemc | tsk tsk |
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| 15:49.36 | jelly | Unode-[work], themill: using a screenrc relative path is a potential security disaster, though |
| 15:49.43 | edwin_quijada | petemc: where is exim log |
| 15:49.44 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 15:49.48 | Unode-[work] | themill: :) that could work, but there wouldn't be any way to load a fallback file |
| 15:49.50 | themill | jelly: rather.... |
| 15:49.51 | petemc | edwin_quijada: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 15:49.52 | asg | edwin_quijada: /var/log/exim4 |
| 15:50.18 | Unode-[work] | jelly: indeed |
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| 15:50.56 | jelly | Unode-[work]: I just have a lot of menu entries that call screen with different -c options |
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| 15:51.40 | Unode-[work] | jelly: my idea was something around 'source ${HOME}/.screenrc-${HOST}' except instead of HOST I would use something like pwd to get the current dir and search for a corresponding settings file |
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| 15:51.46 | cousin_mario | 'lo |
| 15:52.20 | Unode-[work] | jelly: you mean you have a wrapper that opens a menu for config choices? |
| 15:52.26 | max06 | Hi all, I'm running debian 5 on a root server (2x 1TB-HDD, Software-Raid 1) and I want to use lvm. Is there a way to setup the lvm without reinstalling the system? I don't need the complete hdd in the lvm. |
| 15:52.34 | asg | Unode-[work]: I'd just write a wrapper, it would be much simpler and far more flexible |
| 15:52.38 | jelly | Unode-[work]: I open them from the standard wm menu |
| 15:52.45 | Unode-[work] | oh |
| 15:52.52 | petemc | max06: is it partitioned? |
| 15:53.44 | max06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.48 | jelly | function screen() { [ -f "$HOME/.screen-$(basename $PWD)" ] && /usr/bin/screen -c "$HOME/.screen-$(basename $PWD)" "$@" || /usr/bin/screen "$@" } |
| 15:53.58 | edwin_quijada | petemc:Unable to relay for macaruchi@hotmail.com |
| 15:54.25 | Unode-[work] | hum that looks interesting :) |
| 15:54.28 | edwin_quijada | petemc: i get this error when I sent to hotmail account |
| 15:54.30 | Unode-[work] | I will have a look |
| 15:54.39 | max06 | I need about 70% of the hdd as a lvm |
| 15:54.43 | petemc | edwin_quijada: how did you configure exim? |
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| 15:56.17 | Uther_P | http://pastebin.ca/1463521 <-- can anyone suggest a cause for these kernel messages (line 14-15 get repeated many times) |
| 15:56.27 | jelly | Unode-[work]: naturally, it's completely untested |
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| 15:56.53 | Uther_P | summery: bad pmd, clear_kernel_mapping: mapping has been split. will leak memory |
| 15:57.09 | edwin_quijada | i have another server,xchange , that works as relay fro me |
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| 15:57.20 | edwin_quijada | for me |
| 15:57.39 | asg | Uther_P: pasting the error into Google will likely reveal some good lkml results |
| 15:57.48 | petemc | edwin_quijada: so you chose smarthost configuration? pastebin the exact log lines |
| 15:57.54 | edwin_quijada | in the LAN I can send fine emails to local xchange accounts |
| 15:58.01 | edwin_quijada | ok |
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| 15:59.35 | edwin_quijada | petemc:http://pastebin.com/m7ef743f |
| 15:59.36 | Uther_P | asg: I tried that.... many different ways |
| 15:59.57 | Uther_P | mostly what I got was links to the source code the message is contained in, and some non-descriptive forum messages |
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| 16:00.22 | petemc | edwin_quijada: so you exchange server wont relay for you |
| 16:01.31 | Unode-[work] | jelly: no problem. that line of yours pointed me a way for it. Thanks for the help (also asg and themill) |
| 16:01.42 | edwin_quijada | but it works when I use local accounts |
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| 16:01.46 | asg | Unode-[work]: glad to help |
| 16:01.54 | petemc | edwin_quijada: thats not relaying |
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| 16:03.03 | edwin_quijada | i can use gmail or other for relaying? |
| 16:03.13 | petemc | i wouldnt stop you |
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| 16:03.51 | edwin_quijada | so when I send locally this is because I am in the same LAN? |
| 16:04.15 | petemc | the exchange server accepts the mail because its for a local account |
| 16:04.18 | edwin_quijada | petemc: don't worry I am not a spammer |
| 16:04.25 | petemc | i didnt think you were |
| 16:04.29 | edwin_quijada | :P |
| 16:04.34 | Uther_P | you thought wrong! bwaha |
| 16:04.39 | Uther_P | heh |
| 16:05.02 | edwin_quijada | so we need xchange accepts to be relay for me? |
| 16:05.13 | petemc | yes |
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| 16:05.25 | edwin_quijada | uhmm...ok |
| 16:06.02 | edwin_quijada | I thouhg if I have an account into another server it could be realy for me |
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| 16:06.21 | petemc | you probably could, if you authenticated |
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| 16:06.45 | edwin_quijada | ok |
| 16:06.53 | petemc | its easy to tell exchange to accept mail from an ip |
| 16:07.03 | edwin_quijada | So That's I need |
| 16:07.12 | edwin_quijada | can authenticated |
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| 16:07.40 | petemc | that, or to tell exchange to relay for this ip address |
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| 16:08.49 | iluminator101 | Uther_P:refering to what you said earlier...how do you change the S to a K |
| 16:09.48 | edwin_quijada | in any case I could use any mail server with authenticated for relay mail for me? |
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| 16:10.42 | petemc | edwin_quijada: provided that mail server supports it, yes |
| 16:10.52 | SparFux | Hi! How can I get an overview of the diskspace all the packages use up in debian? |
| 16:10.52 | Hajuu | petemc: if you run into trouble, there are pay services that will redirect all incomming mail to any port you want |
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| 16:11.12 | petemc | Hajuu: interesting, but not really germane to this issue |
| 16:11.33 | iluminator101 | permission to im Uther_P |
| 16:11.33 | JasonMoss | If I happen to login to gnome as root, how can I enable the ability to "lock screen" as opposed to logging out every damn time? Is there a command to lock screen from terminal? |
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| 16:15.17 | lcanelon | hello guys, i just installed sqeeze on my system, my problem is that now it can't resolv ip addresses when browsing the internet or while using apt, any help? |
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| 16:15.51 | nsadmin | lcanelon: what file contains the dns server addresses |
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| 16:16.31 | lcanelon | resolv.conf |
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| 16:16.44 | nsadmin | what's in that file |
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| 16:17.23 | lcanelon | the 2 servers given by my dhcp server, one local and another given by my isp |
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| 16:17.41 | nsadmin | ping them |
| 16:18.53 | nsadmin | btw, they are numeric IPs? |
| 16:19.26 | nsadmin | cmon now, you need to respond |
| 16:19.40 | lcanelon | yeah, i think that was the problem, the first dns on my list is unavailable, and it was only consulting to the first one on the list, i erased it, and now it seems ok |
| 16:19.55 | nsadmin | ok |
| 16:19.55 | lcanelon | yes they were numeric ips |
| 16:19.58 | lcanelon | thanx alot nsadmin |
| 16:20.16 | nsadmin | you did about 70% of the work |
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| 16:21.00 | nsadmin | why is your dhcp passing unavailable dnses? |
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| 16:26.43 | lcanelon | nsadmin, well, i'll have to check it out, i think it is a missconfiguration |
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| 16:27.03 | Faithful | justin, do you know what's with linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64, oldstyle Xen support ... what's newstyle then? |
| 16:28.02 | nsadmin | is this your dhcp server? |
| 16:28.13 | eOliva | I did a safe-upgrade in my notebook, and now my touchpad isn't work properly...the mouse is moving....but when I try the scroll or click poking the thouchpad, it does not work |
| 16:28.31 | comeoncomeon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.32 | comeoncomeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.51 | Uther_P | *buRp* |
| 16:28.57 | comeoncomeon | same to you |
| 16:28.57 | nsadmin | !ops comeoncomeon spam |
| 16:28.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: comeoncomeon spam |
| 16:29.01 | comeoncomeon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.27 | Uther_P | where are the bots for that, heh |
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| 16:30.16 | simonrvn | that is NOT the way to get attention for the issue... |
| 16:30.59 | rudi_s | Hi. How can I found out what commands dpkg supports; like ops? I tried help ops but it told me "no help on ops". |
| 16:31.06 | Hajuu | um |
| 16:31.13 | Hajuu | why is that not the way to get attention for the issue? |
| 16:31.17 | Hajuu | got all of our attention didnt it? |
| 16:31.22 | Hajuu | when we werent even thinking about it |
| 16:31.33 | stew | Hajuu: please keep it on-toipc |
| 16:31.38 | Hajuu | 960 people -- do it in 10 channels thats near 10K people |
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| 16:33.29 | simonrvn | Hajuu: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:33.57 | omry_|work | adding a file to /etc/sysctl.d is like adding the content of that file to /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 16:34.18 | Zambezi | Anyone with an Intel Atom ITX who know about the powerconsume during idle and normal work (IRC, surfing)? |
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| 16:35.26 | adb | Zambezi: try #hardware |
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| 16:40.01 | Faithful | justin, have you looked at openQRM ? |
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| 16:45.38 | Computer_Owner | Hi folks, I just purchased a used HP dual-core box and am going to reinstall debian. This box seems to have a Win Vista partition and a second hp partition. Is there any way,on a Deb network or minimal install to shrink partitions or is it going to be easier to just start from scratch? BTW... is lvm still the default for the Deb installer? Is ext4 now default as well? |
| 16:46.16 | Computer_Owner | as you can see by my nik, I haven't done anything to the default Vista install... |
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| 16:47.14 | deco | why is the iceweasel mascot humping the world on the official site ? |
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| 16:47.37 | smacnay | This is a 64-bit system and I have the AMD-64 deb installer on disk right now. |
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| 16:49.08 | JasonMoss | Can anyone give me an example of a commercial environment/company Debian is used in? I need to prove that it can be a "server os". Obviously, anyone who think debian can't be a server is retarded, but I just wanted to know if anyone knows of some reputable companies who use it |
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| 16:49.22 | e0n` | JasonMoss: Digg.com |
| 16:49.30 | JasonMoss | nice |
| 16:49.37 | e0n` | That good enough for you? |
| 16:49.50 | cognitiaclaeves | Anyone run debian in a VMware VM? I'm having low network transfers, and I'm having difficulty figuring out why. |
| 16:49.51 | JasonMoss | I'd like more if you happen to know of any heh :) |
| 16:49.52 | Hajuu | JasonMoss: Why not just refer them to some of the top ISP's packages |
| 16:50.02 | Hajuu | they will see that theres more linux hosts than windows |
| 16:50.03 | kill3r | i just downloaded something to my box with Debian Etch and i download something to it using the wget command and i now dont know how to install it |
| 16:50.08 | Hajuu | host packages rather |
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| 16:50.15 | JasonMoss | Hajuu: Like what for example? |
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| 16:50.32 | JasonMoss | Hajuu: as far as a top ISP that is |
| 16:50.45 | deco | kill3r: it would help if you tell us what you downloaded |
| 16:50.55 | e0n` | Top ISP that uses debian? |
| 16:51.13 | Hajuu | hold on lol |
| 16:51.18 | e0n` | JasonMoss: What do they want to use SLES and RHEL? |
| 16:51.19 | JasonMoss | k thx |
| 16:51.27 | e0n` | or "CentOS" |
| 16:51.35 | e0n` | which is RHEL |
| 16:51.36 | Hajuu | welp, my world wide web is down |
| 16:51.36 | e0n` | lol |
| 16:51.43 | e0n` | Hajuu: oh noes |
| 16:51.45 | JasonMoss | JasonMoss: they want to only use CentOS period, because debian is only a desktop system... lol? it |
| 16:51.46 | kill3r | karesansui-1.0.1-1-install-pack.tar.gz from here http://www.karesansui-project.info/wiki/karesansui/En_tutorial |
| 16:51.56 | Hajuu | CentOS isnt bad |
| 16:52.03 | Hajuu | like, in the end |
| 16:52.07 | JasonMoss | Oh i know it isn't bad, but for certain things debian is just better |
| 16:52.11 | Hajuu | they're all preeeeetty similar in application |
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| 16:52.18 | Hajuu | and if you dont like something |
| 16:52.22 | blast_hardcheese | So I have a weird problem, dpms suspend on my old LCD monitor sets it in a mode where it fades from whatever was on the screen to white |
| 16:52.26 | Hajuu | its still unix, you can always reconfigure it the way you like it |
| 16:52.27 | Hajuu | :) |
| 16:52.58 | JasonMoss | Oh sweet, I found a list actually. Thanks everyone :) |
| 16:52.58 | blast_hardcheese | I would like it to turn off, is there any special old monitor setting somewhere that I'm missing? |
| 16:53.09 | e0n` | JasonMoss: where at? |
| 16:53.15 | blast_hardcheese | this happens in X, I can't get anything to happen in the terminal |
| 16:53.19 | JasonMoss | http://www.debian.org/users/ lol |
| 16:53.25 | Hajuu | nice work |
| 16:53.25 | deco | lol nice |
| 16:53.26 | Hajuu | :) |
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| 16:53.42 | JasonMoss | it's under the "Commerical" section, i don't know how i missed it before rofl |
| 16:53.44 | JasonMoss | thanks again |
| 16:53.52 | e0n` | lol |
| 16:53.58 | aycaniz | hi fans. pls could you help me with xorg.conf on intel 945 config is here : http://www.mibbit.com/url/N83rOf |
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| 16:54.05 | Hajuu | fans? |
| 16:54.06 | Hajuu | :/ |
| 16:54.10 | Hajuu | What are we fans of? |
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| 16:54.23 | blast_hardcheese | is not a fan, out of protest |
| 16:54.28 | Hajuu | either >:( |
| 16:54.39 | aycaniz | fan of mine |
| 16:54.45 | aycaniz | I am your idol |
| 16:54.48 | blast_hardcheese | picks up picket signs |
| 16:54.57 | Gryfelhase | not of intel, nor of windows ;) |
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| 16:57.23 | blast_hardcheese | So, am I missing something? (regarding my old monitor and powersave) |
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| 16:57.52 | blast_hardcheese | I'd really like it to turn off the backlight every so often, |
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| 16:58.21 | blast_hardcheese | but I'm afraid that even under Windows 98 (the OS that shipped with this device) it didn't powersave correctly |
| 16:58.30 | simonrvn | don't need the fans turned on, it's ok |
| 16:59.43 | smacnay | Any reason to install the 32 bit Deb on a 64 bit machine? |
| 17:00.05 | Hajuu | compatability |
| 17:00.12 | Hajuu | not all software has a 64bit variant |
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| 17:00.17 | blast_hardcheese | wine, flash |
| 17:00.25 | e0n` | flash has a 64bit version |
| 17:00.28 | e0n` | where have you guys been? |
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| 17:00.35 | smacnay | Hajuu: mplayer, openoffice? |
| 17:00.35 | blast_hardcheese | in beta though, right? |
| 17:00.41 | e0n` | it works flawlessly |
| 17:00.47 | e0n` | and in linux you're never out of beta :P |
| 17:00.51 | e0n` | even with a final version |
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| 17:01.00 | blast_hardcheese | of course, but it's not in the main repos |
| 17:01.02 | smacnay | e0n`: any difficulties in finding 64bit stuff? |
| 17:01.05 | blast_hardcheese | it's still in sid, isn't it? |
| 17:01.08 | e0n` | smacnay: Not really. |
| 17:01.13 | e0n` | All my platforms are 100% 64bit. |
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| 17:01.24 | e0n` | No 32bit backports or 32bit libs on my systems. |
| 17:01.28 | e0n` | ELF64 <3 |
| 17:01.32 | blast_hardcheese | e0n`: 100%? No stray 32 bit libraries? ;) |
| 17:01.39 | mesa_booger | even grub is 64 bit eh .... |
| 17:01.48 | jelly | e0n`: you're not running googleearth then, eh |
| 17:01.58 | e0n` | blast_hardcheese: Nothing I run is dependent on 32bit |
| 17:02.21 | e0n` | googleearth? |
| 17:02.21 | blast_hardcheese | fair enough |
| 17:02.30 | smacnay | e0n`: I have never had the option of 64bit and, if I install it, don't want to miss something and make a mess of the install. |
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| 17:02.45 | e0n` | smacnay: Just do a minimal desktop install, play around for a day or two. |
| 17:02.47 | joanzer | k i have a bit of an issue, i'm not used to debian |
| 17:02.49 | e0n` | You won't miss much. |
| 17:02.54 | e0n` | joanzer: What's the issue? |
| 17:02.57 | joanzer | i'm an fbsd guy, but with fbsd limits.conf |
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| 17:03.05 | joanzer | i noticed debian handles limits a bit different |
| 17:03.11 | smacnay | e0n`: is there a great benefit to 64 over 32 for average users (I might be a little below average). :) |
| 17:03.16 | joanzer | but in fbsd when you set a user in a specific user class |
| 17:03.24 | joanzer | it will keep them viewing a full process list |
| 17:03.32 | joanzer | and only list what they're running |
| 17:03.39 | smacnay | e0n`: is lvm still the default install? Still a wise choice? |
| 17:03.43 | joanzer | anyway to do the same thing in debian |
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| 17:04.28 | stew | smacnay: not unless you have 4 gigs of ram or more, otherwise, there isn't a big difference |
| 17:04.35 | smacnay | e0n`: maybe I should ask, where do I see the benefit of a 64bit install over 32bit? |
| 17:04.43 | joanzer | e0n`: any ideas? |
| 17:04.53 | stew | smacnay: when you insatll > 4 gigs of ram |
| 17:05.25 | stew | smacnay: or perhaps if you do lots of number crunching with applications which were compiled in a way to take advantage of the wider registers |
| 17:05.36 | smacnay | stew: I happen to have 4 gigs on this box and am not sure if some is shared by video or not (again - this is a second hand box where I did no choosing of components). |
| 17:05.57 | smacnay | stew: mencoder? would that count? |
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| 17:06.39 | jelly | stew: over 3.4 gigs or ram, too! |
| 17:07.09 | stew | smacnay: dunno about mencoder |
| 17:07.12 | jelly | finds that 64bit perl eats up much more RES than 32bit |
| 17:07.21 | jelly | sticks with 32bit |
| 17:07.32 | smacnay | jelly: thanks for the insight |
| 17:07.48 | smacnay | jelly: maybe 32bit is a safer install? |
| 17:08.03 | jelly | pretty much equal these days. |
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| 17:08.21 | smacnay | jelly: for safety or performance? |
| 17:08.38 | jelly | smacnay: performance depends on your actual workload |
| 17:08.51 | jelly | so if you want to know, test |
| 17:08.52 | cockroach | jelly: 32bit is less headache when you need to use closed-source software (eg. games) |
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| 17:09.03 | cockroach | jelly: bu 64bit is sexier |
| 17:09.06 | smacnay | I still need to mount an lvm drive with my old install and make sure I didn't miss any files that are backed up. |
| 17:09.08 | cockroach | but, even |
| 17:09.28 | jelly | runs 64bit vm guests |
| 17:09.40 | smacnay | Ah, h&ll, I will try a minimum install of 64 and see how it works for me. |
| 17:09.42 | stew | runs 32 bit chroots |
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| 17:10.19 | smacnay | Is lvm still the default install or do some just format ext3/ext4? |
| 17:10.21 | Hajuu | runs 32bit vm's with 32bit chroots under 32bit kernels |
| 17:10.27 | e0n` | smacnay: yeah, it's more of a personal preference |
| 17:10.46 | joanzer | when setting limits in limits.conf on debian is it required to reboot or some shit, in fbsd you just recreate the db stuffs |
| 17:11.01 | smacnay | e0n`: seems to be a pain only when the drive needs to be mounted and read... |
| 17:11.03 | joanzer | lol i'm way to used to freebsd |
| 17:11.27 | Hajuu | smacnay: its important to note that Ext4 does not automatically equal more than Ext3 |
| 17:11.37 | smacnay | Seems like I will lose this Vista install when I do my deb install (can't say I am upset). |
| 17:11.47 | cockroach | joanzer: logging out and back in should be enough |
| 17:11.48 | Hajuu | You will lose it |
| 17:11.51 | Hajuu | for sure. |
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| 17:12.09 | smacnay | Hajuu: ext3 worked well on my last hd. I will stick with it. |
| 17:12.28 | joanzer | cockroach, kk |
| 17:12.31 | smacnay | So everything in the AMD64 repos is 64 bit? |
| 17:12.34 | Hajuu | yeah ext3 is a good compromise :_ |
| 17:12.36 | Hajuu | :) |
| 17:12.53 | joanzer | i'm trying to actually prevent normal users from getting a full process list |
| 17:12.58 | joanzer | and its a pain in my ass |
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| 17:13.33 | Hajuu | joanzer: just make the /bin/ files you dont want them to be able to read to read/write only by owner |
| 17:13.45 | Hajuu | like ps |
| 17:13.57 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:14.05 | abrotman | there's a horrible idea |
| 17:14.07 | Hajuu | lol |
| 17:14.08 | Hajuu | I know |
| 17:14.14 | Hajuu | I regretted it as soon as I said it |
| 17:14.18 | Hajuu | goes back to eating |
| 17:14.24 | smacnay | not trying to start a war, but anyone used ubuntu or mint? I never have but wonder what they are like. |
| 17:14.27 | abrotman | another day .. another horrible suggestion by Hajuu |
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| 17:14.34 | smacnay | Hajuu: thanks for the help. |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | smacnay: try them .. they're not related to Debian support |
| 17:14.50 | magyar_ | hi is there a way to convert pdf to text? |
| 17:14.53 | smacnay | abrotman: I know. |
| 17:15.00 | joanzer | Hajuu, but i want them to be able to use ps |
| 17:15.01 | joanzer | for themselves |
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| 17:15.09 | joanzer | i'd just like to limit listing all user processes |
| 17:15.12 | abrotman | magyar_: pdf2ps | ps2txt ? |
| 17:15.20 | joanzer | when you put users in a certain user class on fbsd it does it for you |
| 17:15.34 | Hajuu | joanzer: heh that would be pretty tricky without limiting them |
| 17:15.38 | magyar_ | abrotman, hmm, sounds good, thanks |
| 17:15.44 | smacnay | thanks everyone... I will try an install - hopefully, I will be back later. |
| 17:16.17 | nkuttler | joanzer: maybe grsecurity can do that |
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| 17:16.32 | Hajuu | smacnay: you're already dead. |
| 17:16.34 | Hajuu | :( |
| 17:16.53 | smacnay | Hajuu: not sure what you mean? |
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| 17:17.15 | Hajuu | lol its from a movie |
| 17:17.15 | Hajuu | take care |
| 17:17.15 | magyar_ | pdf2ps , where do i get that? |
| 17:17.15 | smacnay | thanks - which movie? |
| 17:17.15 | jelly | nkuttler: it indeed can |
| 17:17.22 | abrotman | !tell magyar_ about search |
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| 17:19.52 | iluminator101 | On Gpart 131 refers (Linux ext2 filesystem) how do i find out what number refers to rfs or reiserfs |
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| 17:20.24 | joanzer | hrmm |
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| 17:21.39 | trone_ | How I can to know what driver video I'm using on my distro? New Xorg.conf are "clean" and works... and I dont' know what to see. :) |
| 17:22.05 | jelly | iluminator101: it's the same |
| 17:22.29 | jelly | iluminator101: partition id is 0x83 for all linux filesystems |
| 17:23.20 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:24.06 | magyar_ | abrotman, i got outputs with pdf2ps, but ps2txt is not producing jack |
| 17:24.20 | abrotman | magyar_: is the PDF images or text? |
| 17:24.38 | magyar_ | abrotman, text |
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| 17:25.58 | mesa_booger | trone_: /var/log/X.0.log should have the details |
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| 17:26.18 | mesa_booger | er /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:26.26 | abrotman | magyar_: in xpdf-utils there is a pdftotext |
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| 17:27.26 | trone_ | mesa_booger: yep thx. :) |
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| 17:29.56 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; i kinda understood what to do and i just opened the .desc file to add tasks..but one thing that i didnt understand was that in Packages section for all tasks was gives as: task-fields...can you explain this |
| 17:30.09 | abrotman | put your file in a pastebin |
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| 17:30.17 | abrotman | and there are other people to ask |
| 17:30.54 | mitrax | say i have two init.d scripts with the same run level but i want one to be started before the other, can i specify a dependency on the #Required-Start line by adding the other script name? |
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| 17:31.59 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; see my pm |
| 17:32.28 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: i'm not going to respond in msg .. i asked you to paste your file in a pastebin |
| 17:32.30 | abrotman | !msg |
| 17:32.30 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 17:32.38 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; http://paste.ubuntu.com/197863/ |
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| 17:32.56 | abrotman | PerryArmstrong: why are you asking #debian about ubuntu? |
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| 17:33.34 | themill | PerryArmstrong: you need to create *new* tasks not mess about with the old ones. |
| 17:33.40 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; my personal desktop runs ubuntu...but at college i do my project on debian...and my project is debian based |
| 17:33.59 | PerryArmstrong | themill; in the .desc file itself?? |
| 17:34.35 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i just checked the old tasks...and i find similarity in all tasks in the package section in the .desc file |
| 17:34.52 | themill | PerryArmstrong: yes. I thought we'd covered that. You're writing a new desc file that includes your tasks. |
| 17:34.59 | nsadmin | PerryArmstrong: but that file you pasted is from ubuntu... perhaps you wanted the debian one instead? |
| 17:35.03 | JerrySeinfeld | lame. |
| 17:35.30 | PerryArmstrong | themill; so not adding new tasks to the old .desc file?? |
| 17:35.42 | SparFux | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root gives me no output at all and I can't configure. Why that? |
| 17:35.58 | abrotman | SparFux: that's normal now |
| 17:36.08 | SparFux | how to setup the Xorg.conf? |
| 17:36.21 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; yes right now i am on ubuntu....in the college...the port is blocked which make us not able to use xchat....and i am accustomed to using xchat |
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| 17:36.53 | themill | PerryArmstrong: no. tasksel supports multiple files for the tasks... make your own files rather than messing with the default ones. |
| 17:37.01 | PerryArmstrong | nsadmin; in the college we use debian and my project is debian based |
| 17:37.10 | SparFux | abrotman: I'd like to have a debian default inital Xorg.conf on my new system. |
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| 17:37.20 | abrotman | SparFux: the default is .. empty |
| 17:37.26 | SparFux | Oh :-) |
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| 17:37.31 | PerryArmstrong | themill; so what do i name the file as?? |
| 17:37.48 | magyar_ | abrotman, no luck, just generates a 1kb file |
| 17:38.17 | abrotman | magyar_: is this a PDF you can share? |
| 17:38.20 | nsadmin | name the file, as it needs a name so's you can tell it from other files! |
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| 17:38.48 | Fozzy | This might not be the best place to ask, but is there a way to know if a system was booted from cold vs. warm boot in Debian/Linux? |
| 17:38.56 | magyar_ | abrotman, sure |
| 17:39.10 | laurus | How do I enter characters by their Unicode code? |
| 17:40.01 | themill | PerryArmstrong: "man tasksel" that you assure me you've read many times, says you can use /usr/local/share/tasksel/*.desc for local tasks. |
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| 17:41.14 | jelly | Fozzy: not really. If you have server hardware, there might be specific management functionality to tell you when it was last powered on |
| 17:41.38 | PerryArmstrong | themill; its in /usr/shar/tasksel |
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| 17:43.02 | Fozzy | jelly: it's a PC (x86) based system, nothing special added. Thanks though, I figured that it couldn't hurt to ask :) |
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| 17:46.02 | PerryArmstrong | themill, nsadmin, abrotman; i created departments.desc file and i put in the code as: http://paste.ubuntu.com/197878/ |
| 17:46.24 | abrotman | and why is "ubuntu-desktop" a debian question? |
| 17:46.40 | jelly | tries to run "last reboot", and remember debian "helpfully" cuts wtmp each month |
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| 17:47.24 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; right now i am working on ubuntu...i am just testing it here at home...once it works here i can implement tomorrow in debian in the college |
| 17:47.48 | PerryArmstrong | abrotman; so ubuntu-desktop has to be when i am testing on ubuntu |
| 17:48.00 | abrotman | is skeptical |
| 17:48.31 | themill | PerryArmstrong: You need to reread the documentation in the tasksel source README about the "Packages:" field though. |
| 17:48.54 | kill3r | i cant run this command tar xzvf karesansui-1.0.0-1-install-pack.tar.gz |
| 17:48.55 | kill3r | and i get this error messsage |
| 17:49.04 | kill3r | tar: karesansui-1.0.0-1-install-pack.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 17:49.05 | kill3r | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 17:49.05 | kill3r | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 17:49.05 | kill3r | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 17:49.18 | themill | hands up who could see that coming |
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| 17:50.04 | themill | dpkg: tell kill3r about paste |
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| 17:52.28 | kill3r | PLease have a look at this |
| 17:52.28 | kill3r | http://paste.debian.net/39423/ |
| 17:52.42 | PerryArmstrong | themill; they mentioned the format as Packages; lists and below this the list of packages |
| 17:53.00 | jelly | kill3r: the file does not exist in the current directory? |
| 17:53.11 | themill | PerryArmstrong: no, it says "Packages: list" followed by a list of packages. |
| 17:53.31 | jelly | kill3r: did you mistype the file name? |
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| 17:53.50 | jelly | kill3r: ls -l karesansui-1.0.0-1-install-pack.tar.gz |
| 17:54.16 | Zambezi | I might upgrade Lenny to Squeeze, but one major problem. I have like 20 MB free on /. Which is the absolute minimum I need to be able to dist-upgrade? I can remove Openoffice first, but that won't be enough. I just have Ratpoison and Ion3 as WM no DE at all. |
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| 17:55.14 | kill3r | Jelly i tried executing this in SSH ls -l karesansui-1.0.0-1-install-pack.tar.gz |
| 17:55.25 | jelly | Zambezi: you need to have enough space in /var to download all the packages, and then enough space on / (and /usr) to handle the extra size of the newer distro |
| 17:55.28 | kill3r | then i get this ls: karesansui-1.0.0-1-install-pack.tar.gz: No such file or directory |
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| 17:55.33 | SparFux | abrotman: to force a video mode, what should my modes line look like? Modes "800x600@75"? |
| 17:55.38 | jelly | kill3r: so it's not there. |
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| 17:55.46 | PerryArmstrong | themill; ok i modified it as: http://paste.ubuntu.com/197886/ |
| 17:55.53 | abrotman | SparFux: man xorg.conf .. probably has some references |
| 17:56.00 | kill3r | How can i see where i downlaoded it |
| 17:56.06 | kill3r | no file browser |
| 17:56.52 | Fozzy | kill3r "find . -name 'karesansui*.gz'"? |
| 17:56.55 | jelly | kill3r: how did you download it? |
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| 17:57.12 | jelly | kill3r: as what user? |
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| 17:57.36 | Zambezi | jelly: I know and that's the problem. I have separate /home but got way to big. And extended / from /home can cause file go corrupted. I'm not in Lenny now. I'm trying Mint and I hate it so straight back to Debian, but I want Squeeze (Sid if my third computer start). |
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| 17:59.56 | Haraken | I currently have a netboot server up and running on a debian machine, but I also need to netboot windows installations. Is it possible to some how have pxelinux boot into a windows netboot server as an option? |
| 17:59.58 | jelly | Zambezi: if you have enough space on /home, you can move the package download directory there. cd /var/cache/apt && mv archives /home && ln -s /home/archives |
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| 18:00.50 | themill | PerryArmstrong: how is it that you go on a fact finding mission to read some documentation and come back with fewer facts than when you left? That's even less correct. |
| 18:01.09 | Zambezi | jelly: I have space on /home so it's enought. I'll make a note cause I need to reboot here to upgrade. |
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| 18:01.41 | PerryArmstrong | themill; i am doing this the first time...its confusing.....and i am not clear even after reading the README file several times... |
| 18:02.29 | jelly | Zambezi: do an aptitude clean before starting (if you haven't already), see how much you gain by cleaning up old downloaded debs |
| 18:02.33 | Zambezi | jelly: I assume ~/home will do too? |
| 18:02.43 | jelly | Zambezi: don't put it in your ~ |
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| 18:04.01 | jelly | Zambezi: use a separate directory under /home, and symlink it back as /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:04.20 | Zambezi | jelly: Won't. I wrote it now. I have to run a rsync, then I can boot to Debian again. |
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| 18:05.55 | kill3r | how can i search for a file using command line |
| 18:06.11 | nkuttler | kill3r: find, locate |
| 18:06.30 | Zambezi | kill3r: find, mlocate. You can combined it with |grep |
| 18:06.52 | Zambezi | kill3r: Like mlocate manual|grep .pdf |
| 18:06.55 | PerryArmstrong | themill; came up with anything?? |
| 18:07.00 | kill3r | by the way its my first time and im a complete noob |
| 18:07.15 | nkuttler | kill3r: you might want to ask a more precise question |
| 18:07.46 | kill3r | what do i type in SSH to locate where i downloaded a certain file |
| 18:07.54 | themill | PerryArmstrong: am I supposed to be doing your job for you now too? I'm not sure that my current employer would like me accepting two pay cheques! |
| 18:08.02 | nkuttler | kill3r: man find |
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| 18:08.15 | nkuttler | kill3r: when did you download it? |
| 18:08.32 | PerryArmstrong | themill; ok fine thank you.......you have helped me a lot...thanxx |
| 18:08.38 | kill3r | a while back using wget command |
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| 18:09.11 | Hajuu | lol you aint gonna find that |
| 18:09.27 | kill3r | Because i need to untar it and install it |
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| 18:09.48 | justin | kill3r: what is this "it" you are talking about? |
| 18:10.19 | nkuttler | kill3r: man find |
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| 18:11.59 | kill3r | http://sourceforge.jp/projects/karesansui/downloads/40446/karesansui-1.0.1-1-install-pack.tar.gz |
| 18:12.12 | kill3r | i used wget http://sourceforge.jp/projects/karesansui/downloads/40446/karesansui-1.0.1-1-install-pack.tar.gz to download it |
| 18:12.30 | kill3r | and in this guide it says to do this next |
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| 18:13.25 | e0n` | tar xfvz karesansui-1.0.1-1-install-pack.tar.gz, then follow the guide some more ;) |
| 18:13.26 | mischief | kill3r, wget will put things in the CWD by default |
| 18:13.47 | e0n` | That guide pretty much expected for people who understand the workings of a CentOS XEN system |
| 18:13.59 | kill3r | e0n when i follow the next step it doeesnt work |
| 18:14.08 | e0n` | you can't untar the file? |
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| 18:14.18 | kill3r | ahh so thats the problem because im using Debian Etch |
| 18:14.31 | e0n` | wget http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.jp/karesansui/40446/karesansui-1.0.1-1-install-pack.tar.gz |
| 18:14.34 | e0n` | :) |
| 18:14.42 | e0n` | wget'ing the wrong file |
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| 18:14.43 | justin | kill3r: no, you have lots of problems, that is just one of them |
| 18:14.47 | e0n` | justin: lol |
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| 18:15.19 | justin | but it is probably a good thing that you can't untar it, since it would likely not work, or worse, completely break debian |
| 18:15.21 | e0n` | Not to get the karensansui wrong or anything but, http://karesansui-project.info/wiki/karesansui/En_tutorial <--- |
| 18:15.27 | e0n` | they even reference centos there |
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| 18:16.31 | e0n` | Not to say it cannot be done on Debian, it's probably extremely simple. |
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| 18:16.44 | kill3r | my bad |
| 18:16.45 | e0n` | They just tend to put things in different directories and I have no clue if their installer is OS independent |
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| 18:17.25 | e0n` | or "Flavor Agnostic" not to put to fine of a point on it. |
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| 18:19.09 | Juje007 | What file do I need to download for a server? |
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| 18:19.21 | e0n` | Juje007: What do you mean? |
| 18:19.21 | Hajuu | Juje007: hot lesbian pr0n |
| 18:19.23 | e0n` | What ISO? |
| 18:19.26 | Juje007 | ISO and Amd64 |
| 18:19.28 | e0n` | What installer packages? |
| 18:19.36 | e0n` | Just grab the lenny amd64 5.0.1 ISO |
| 18:19.50 | e0n` | when the installer propmpts it will ask you "Desktop Packages" "Web Server" etc. etc. |
| 18:20.05 | e0n` | Just select from the Curses interface what you need and continue on your way. |
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| 18:20.33 | Juje007 | This one? |
| 18:20.34 | Juje007 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:20.47 | e0n` | That's the netinstall, but yeah, that will work fine |
| 18:20.58 | e0n` | Just make sure your hardware is supported by it. (Which it should be) |
| 18:21.01 | stew | Juje007: yes, assuming you can get onto the internet using a stock kernel |
| 18:21.13 | Juje007 | Stock kernel? |
| 18:21.25 | stew | Juje007: what device are you going to use to get onto the internet? |
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| 18:21.33 | stew | Juje007: an ethernet card? wireless? |
| 18:21.44 | ustunozgur | I'm getting lpr: Unsupported format application/postscript error trying to print, any idea? I'm running sid |
| 18:21.44 | Juje007 | ethernet card that is onboard |
| 18:21.47 | smacnay_ | This is new to me... I can't seem to boot an install cd on this vista machine. |
| 18:21.53 | smacnay_ | A deb install that is. |
| 18:21.59 | stew | Juje007: is it a bnx2? do you know? |
| 18:22.01 | e0n` | smacnay_: What does it do? |
| 18:22.05 | Juje007 | Not realy |
| 18:22.11 | e0n` | stew: haha I have BNX2 cards, wow was that a fun experience. |
| 18:22.13 | stew | Juje007: this one will work for you |
| 18:22.37 | e0n` | Popping into alt. terminal installing the firmware all kunf-fu fasion to get the netinst to work. |
| 18:22.40 | e0n` | Was a fun experience. |
| 18:22.43 | smacnay_ | e0n`: it boots Vista or goes to a multi boot menu for fixing the system or booting Vista. |
| 18:22.51 | monkey_d_luffy | I just came back from home to my computer and I then I tried to copy one file from one HDD to another, but cp returned an error telling me the system is read only. I try to ls the mountpoint contents as root and I get a "total 0". But by typing a first-level directory I can navigate through the subdirectories and access files. What is wrong here and how do I fix it (without losing data) ? |
| 18:22.52 | e0n` | smacnay_: Dell? HP? |
| 18:22.58 | smacnay_ | e0n`: HP |
| 18:23.07 | Juje007 | Btw I allready tried that one with a USB install but he was saying that I missed some modules |
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| 18:23.42 | e0n` | smacnay_: When you boot up, it's probably ignoring the 'boot from cd' option |
| 18:23.50 | e0n` | Hit Esc or F2/F11/F12 |
| 18:23.56 | e0n` | see if you can get their anoying boot menu to pop up |
| 18:24.06 | e0n` | might be Alt-Esc like the proliant machines, not 100% sure,. |
| 18:24.11 | Juje007 | stew |
| 18:24.17 | smacnay_ | e0n`: I am guessing but I have that selected in the bios - ok. I did that and selected the cd device. Still no luck. |
| 18:24.28 | e0n` | smacnay_: Did the CD spool up then do nothing? |
| 18:24.38 | e0n` | or did it just ignore it completely |
| 18:24.43 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: is an ntfs filesystem involved? |
| 18:24.47 | enouf | or vfat? |
| 18:25.06 | smacnay_ | e0n`: I will try again. I am wondering if the Deb 64 install was not properly burnt as I got a "no operating system found" message on boot. Yes, the cd did spin up. |
| 18:25.06 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: no way! both source and target systems are ext3 |
| 18:25.19 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: well, one atleast, needs a fsck |
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| 18:25.30 | Hajuu | Boot menu is F8 on mine :) |
| 18:25.44 | enouf | F1 here |
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| 18:26.13 | smacnay_ | I will tinker some more but this is harder than it used to be. :) |
| 18:26.20 | enouf | some are even odder ctrl-alt-<whatever> :-P |
| 18:26.40 | Hajuu | smacnay: not really heh |
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| 18:26.47 | smacnay_ | be back later... |
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| 18:26.50 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: but is there any reason for this? I mean, last night everything was fine, I left my computer on, and now it just stopped working. What exactly happened? How do I force one? Boot into single user mode, then what? |
| 18:26.58 | enouf | smacnay_: insure your motherboard enables booting from whichever port that HDD is plugged into |
| 18:27.19 | mesa_booger | monkey_d_luffy: were you downloading a large file and ran out of disk space ? |
| 18:27.45 | grendal_prime | hey guys im trying to add a user and i keep getting this... adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1002 myuser' returned error code 10. Exiting. |
| 18:28.02 | monkey_d_luffy | mesa_booger: no... It's a large HDD, 1 terabyte, and there is lots of free space. |
| 18:28.03 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: cat /proc/mounts .. one FS seems ro, mnaybe you accumalated errors over time, and don't have it setup to do fsck at correct intervals (man tune2fs) |
| 18:28.06 | grendal_prime | It looks like that id is already taken? |
| 18:28.21 | Juje007 | What is different of the cd's at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:28.42 | mesa_booger | monkey_d_luffy: oh ok then. just checking the usual things |
| 18:28.48 | Juje007 | because there is: debian-501-amd64-CD-1.iso to debian-501-amd64-CD-31.iso |
| 18:29.04 | Juje007 | So I don't wich one I need to take |
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| 18:29.11 | stew | Juje007: CD1 is the same installer but with more packages on the CD for the case where you need to install packages without an internet connection |
| 18:29.12 | abrotman | Juje007: -1 is the first .. -31 is not the first :) |
| 18:29.25 | Juje007 | Ok |
| 18:29.35 | stew | Juje007: CD2-CD31 are cds with more pacakges on them in case you still can't get onto the internet after installing |
| 18:29.36 | grendal_prime | but ive checked bot the group and passwd files and i dont see that uid anywhere |
| 18:29.45 | monkey_d_luffy | mesa_booger: yes I understand. weird problems happened in the past because of running out of disk space :p (but it's not the case now) |
| 18:29.50 | Juje007 | Oik |
| 18:29.50 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: see -e error-behavior in man tune2fs, and how to set it up to do fsck based on time, or amount of mounts .. and man fstab (field 6) |
| 18:29.52 | Juje007 | Ok* |
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| 18:30.17 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d7bb219bc |
| 18:30.25 | Juje007 | My network card is not working with the netinst so I'm gonne use the first one :) |
| 18:30.35 | monkey_d_luffy | ok |
| 18:30.42 | stew | Juje007: it won't help |
| 18:30.47 | Juje007 | O |
| 18:31.05 | Hajuu | just use a dvd install |
| 18:31.06 | stew | Juje007: figure out which network card you have and tell us |
| 18:31.06 | Hajuu | :/ |
| 18:31.14 | Juje007 | Ok |
| 18:31.19 | e0n` | Juje007: Simple step. |
| 18:31.26 | stew | Hajuu: how does he get it to recognize his network card with the DVD install? |
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| 18:31.38 | e0n` | Boot a livecd, lspci, look for lspci | grep -ri network |
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| 18:31.55 | Juje007 | I can access my pc via ssh on ubuntu |
| 18:31.55 | Hajuu | stew: meh it doesnt but you mostly have what you need |
| 18:32.03 | abrotman | stew: can i file a bug to get an ISO for contrib and one for non-free? |
| 18:32.05 | Hajuu | then you can worry about getting a driver on there |
| 18:32.05 | Juje007 | So I don't need that I guess |
| 18:32.06 | Hajuu | after |
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| 18:32.16 | e0n` | Juje007: No problem at all them, you should be good to go if it works |
| 18:32.34 | marko-_- | a friend of mine has debian and it it's xorg config file he only has http://pastebin.com/d44b6f615 this. I remember there being much more, what happened ? |
| 18:32.40 | stew | Juje007: if you have ubuntu on this machine, then yes, the output of "lspci" or "lspci | grep Ether" would tell us what we need to know |
| 18:32.48 | Juje007 | Ubuntu works but the install of Debian is asking about modules |
| 18:32.50 | stew | Juje007: even better would be the output of "lspci -n" |
| 18:33.05 | stew | Juje007: but if you can get us this info from ubuntu, we can use it to help you install debian |
| 18:33.15 | e0n` | yeah, either or |
| 18:33.18 | Juje007 | Ok thx :) |
| 18:33.22 | e0n` | The more verbosity the better |
| 18:33.26 | marko-_- | can anyone tell me that ? |
| 18:33.38 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: my uptime has been of 33 days, which for linux seems small (or am I wrong?). No disk checks since then. The accumulation of errors does make sense. |
| 18:33.54 | stew | marko-_-: what happened is that xorg got much smarter and can detect most stuff at runtime and auto-configure itself |
| 18:33.55 | e0n` | marko-_-: Stock pre-configured xorg conf |
| 18:34.02 | e0n` | using X -configure |
| 18:34.23 | mischief | 'lo marko-_- :> |
| 18:34.25 | e0n` | default when no supported video device is found |
| 18:34.32 | stew | that was not produced by "X -configure" |
| 18:34.37 | marko-_- | hi mischief :> |
| 18:34.49 | stew | "X -configure" would create a much more verbose version |
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| 18:35.16 | Hajuu | mmm, verbose |
| 18:35.18 | Hajuu | drools |
| 18:35.23 | marko-_- | thanks |
| 18:35.25 | Fozzy | I personally prefer the torture of hand-grooming my X config |
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| 18:35.34 | e0n` | Fozzy: Same. |
| 18:35.43 | enouf | Juje007: it's not a missing modules.dep error is it? |
| 18:35.46 | e0n` | Having to deal with xinerama half the time is an anoying thing |
| 18:35.47 | Juje007 | Here is all the info |
| 18:35.48 | Hajuu | Yeah thats wicked sick verbose... dude. |
| 18:35.48 | Juje007 | http://juje007.pastebin.com/d30bde219 |
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| 18:35.59 | stew | Fozzy: replace it with the torture of configuring everything via /etc/hal instead |
| 18:36.02 | Juje007 | I don't know it for sure enouf |
| 18:36.17 | Hajuu | e0n`: isnt xinorama real nice though/ |
| 18:36.18 | Fozzy | stew: oh yeah! |
| 18:36.18 | Hajuu | ? |
| 18:36.20 | stew | judd: pciid 10de:0057 |
| 18:36.26 | stew | bah, i killed judd |
| 18:36.38 | enouf | i noticed .. on oftc |
| 18:36.56 | Juje007 | e0n`and stew here is the info: http://juje007.pastebin.com/d30bde219 |
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| 18:37.10 | enouf | (or someone did kill it, somehow) |
| 18:37.10 | stew | Juje007: yeah, so that should be supported by the forcedeth driver |
| 18:37.33 | enouf | forcedeth might need module options |
| 18:37.34 | Juje007 | ? |
| 18:37.46 | enouf | options like modinfo shows in it's parm lines |
| 18:37.59 | stew | Juje007: try booting the installer again. if it doesn't detect your network, hit "alt-f2" to get to a console. at that console run "modprobe forcedeth" then hit alt-f1 to return to the installer, and see if that lets you proceed |
| 18:38.12 | Juje007 | Ok |
| 18:38.20 | junix | when would i need to load the big-mem kernel? |
| 18:38.23 | enouf | for one guy parm: msi:MSI interrupts are enabled by setting to 1 and disabled by setting to 0. (int) |
| 18:38.26 | enouf | parm: msix:MSIX interrupts are enabled by setting to 1 and disabled by setting to 0. (int) |
| 18:39.21 | stew | I have the same deviceID and don't need any parameters fwiw |
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| 18:39.43 | enouf | setting both to 0 helped -- add option forcedeth msi=0 and msix=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/forcedeth (create it) but you can pass those also from the boot prompt of the intsaller |
| 18:39.48 | El-Bandito------ | [02:48] <BoYs> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 18:40.02 | El-Bandito------ | I am outraged by this spam |
| 18:40.02 | enouf | plus the kernel has msi options for itself |
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| 18:40.12 | El-Bandito------ | now: http://www.classpc.nl/ |
| 18:40.13 | adb | !ops El-Bandito----- spam |
| 18:40.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: El-Bandito----- spam |
| 18:40.18 | El-Bandito------ | can anyone help me with that error |
| 18:40.19 | stew | El-Bandito------: please stop spamming the channel |
| 18:40.21 | enouf | stew: one particular case, IIRC |
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| 18:40.27 | El-Bandito------ | huh |
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| 18:40.39 | mentor | bfaaang |
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| 18:40.48 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 18:40.57 | \amethyst | why did El-Bandito get kicked? |
| 18:41.12 | stew | \amethyst: for spamming. he'll probably be back soon |
| 18:41.17 | \amethyst | spamming? |
| 18:41.28 | \amethyst | he was reporting a spam |
| 18:41.28 | hark | on't think he was spamming |
| 18:41.28 | stew | \amethyst: yes |
| 18:41.36 | enouf | Free Porno Videos |
| 18:41.36 | mentor | hostmask |
| 18:41.38 | mesa_booger | i thought he was hajuu |
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| 18:42.04 | \amethyst | stew: he reported 14:39:48 < El-Bandito------> [02:48] <BoYs> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos 14:40:02 < El-Bandito------> I am outraged by this spam |
| 18:42.07 | junix | i have a brand new debian etchnhalf install, i'm trying to figure out why gnome keeps locking up on it, this is a Intel Xeon (AMD 64) kernel |
| 18:42.11 | \amethyst | stew: then BoYs was k-lined |
| 18:42.19 | enouf | is just curious if it's gay pr0n :-P |
| 18:42.24 | stew | \amethyst: please don't repeat spam in this channel |
| 18:42.28 | ksnp | i keep getting the following error when attempting to make a ssl http connection : |
| 18:42.28 | ksnp | SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET |
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| 18:42.35 | ksnp | can anyone suggest how to fix or tell the cause ? |
| 18:42.36 | \amethyst | stew: so kick me then |
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| 18:42.52 | stew | \amethyst: ... |
| 18:43.02 | \amethyst | stew: he was trying to help |
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| 18:43.13 | stew | \amethyst: yes, I understand |
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| 18:43.20 | enouf | \amethyst: then he reported it incorrectly |
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| 18:43.25 | mentor | No |
| 18:43.28 | MindCr | if you copy and paste the spam you do spamm too |
| 18:43.39 | mentor | I think that was clone of Hajuu who was Klined also |
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| 18:43.47 | \amethyst | aha |
| 18:43.52 | \amethyst | sorry for the confusion then |
| 18:44.01 | Juje007 | stew he is saying that module forcedeth not exitst |
| 18:44.05 | Juje007 | exist |
| 18:44.20 | mentor | \amethyst: Don't worry, I was plenty confused without you |
| 18:44.22 | \amethyst | that does appear to be correct |
| 18:44.41 | \amethyst | (clone of Hajuu that is) |
| 18:45.04 | stew | \amethyst: but, please also understand that even if it wasn't a clone, repeating the spam in channel only helps spread the spam |
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| 18:45.35 | Juje007 | stew he is saying that module forcedeth not exist |
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| 18:46.30 | \amethyst | stew: I wouldn't expect someone to know that without first being warned... but it appears there were other reasons for his ban, so I'll drop it |
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| 18:46.50 | Juje007 | stew and he is saying that I need to install the drivers for my cdrom player :/ |
| 18:47.05 | mentor | I would not have KBed straight away, if he was not a clone. |
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| 18:47.51 | stew | can anyone confirm that the lenny installer is actually missing forcedeth? |
| 18:47.55 | stew | seems odd to me |
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| 18:48.20 | Juje007 | I guess you mean me stew :p |
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| 18:48.31 | enouf | all i recall is some missing pata_marvell and sata_sil or some such .. at one point |
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| 18:49.18 | ksnp | i keep getting the following error when attempting to make a ssl http connection : |
| 18:49.19 | ksnp | SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET |
| 18:49.21 | ksnp | can anyone suggest how to fix or tell the cause ? |
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| 18:49.59 | \amethyst | stew: sorry I didn't obscure the URL when I reposted it |
| 18:50.02 | stew | ksnp: i think that means you are trying to speak https to a server that is trying to speak http |
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| 18:50.19 | stew | \amethyst: yeah, no worries |
| 18:50.32 | hark | hmm |
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| 18:51.29 | enouf | y'all need to get on over to #debian-ops to discuss this :-p |
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| 18:52.16 | stew | ksnp: in a web browser, try both "https://server/index.html" and "http://server:443/index.html" and see which one (if either) succeeds, if the http:443 one succeeds, that is your problem |
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| 18:58.24 | SuperMiguel | chm reader? |
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| 18:58.29 | cahoot | tried aptitude search chm? |
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| 18:59.06 | Juje007 | stew: Do you have any idea how I need to do it? |
| 18:59.31 | JJOliver | Hi I would like some help using wget to d'l a 150MB file on a 6KB/s line. I have the url but I want to specify where wget puts the file once it's downloaded. I've read the man page and it's not there, any suggestions? |
| 18:59.50 | SuperMiguel | cahoot, is aptitude different from apt-get? |
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| 19:01.26 | JJOliver | or where is the default download location of wget? |
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| 19:01.48 | Fozzy | JJOliver: I use the '-O' option to get wget to put the output to a specified file |
| 19:01.54 | jelly-home | JJOliver: the default location is current working directory |
| 19:02.12 | jelly-home | JJOliver: simplest thing to do is likely to cd somewhere, then run wget |
| 19:02.13 | JJOliver | thanks both Fozzy and jelly-home both questions answered. |
| 19:02.28 | JJOliver | jelly thanks |
| 19:02.48 | qneo | Hi, I installed Lenny on my laptop, and because of my wifi (Intel 5100), I followed wiki, and added lenny-backports to my sources list. so now, I have 2.6.29-bpo kernel (on my laptop). but I'd like to have more recent packages, so I decided to try testing (squeeze) on my desktop. |
| 19:02.52 | qneo | On my desktop - I installed Lenny, then upgraded to Squeeze. It is working fine, but I'm not sure, if I can move it to my laptop - there is 2.6.26 kernel so I guess, I would have problem with my wifi. Is there a solution please? How to have debian Squeeze, and more updated kernel? |
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| 19:07.37 | stew | Juje007: i don't know. i'm suprised that forcedeth isn't found |
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| 19:07.54 | stew | Juje007: though it could be related to it not finding your cdrom. how is your cdrom attached? |
| 19:08.01 | stew | (or are you not installing from cdrom?) |
| 19:08.13 | Juje007 | I'm writing to a cdrom and use a cdrom instead of a usb |
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| 19:08.58 | Hideme | Can anyone tell me how to test if php5-gd is properly installed? |
| 19:09.10 | stew | Juje007: how is the cdrom connected? ide? scsi? sata? usb? |
| 19:09.11 | dondelelcaro | Hideme: dpkg -l php5-gd; will tell you |
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| 19:09.33 | careta | qneo, you can build a kernel for your laptop. first, download from www.kernel.org. extract to /usr/src/. Then, copy the config-2.6.29x from /boot/ to /usr/src/extracted_dir. changedir to /usr/src/extracted_dir and issue "make-kpkg --initrd --revision=enter.a.name.followed.by.number.00 kernel_image kernel_headers". If all is well, it will ask you a few questions and then build 2 deb packages on /usr/src which you can install with dpkg -i package |
| 19:09.34 | careta | _name.deb |
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| 19:09.58 | careta | oh when you copy the config, change its name to .config |
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| 19:10.38 | aboyz | does the follow .htaccess do this.I'm going to this website http://pokgai.dohma.com when i check out i want it to go to https://dohma.pokgai.com Is there a way to do this?? thanks.. RewriteCond %{SERVER_NAME} ^pokgai.dohma.com$ RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} ^443 RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://dohma.pokgai.com/$1 [R,L] |
| 19:10.52 | Hideme | dondelelcaro: Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed lol what's that?! |
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| 19:11.12 | enouf | uses -P with wget :-p |
| 19:11.51 | enouf | Hideme: status/states nomenclature |
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| 19:13.13 | Fozzy | enouf: nice alternative to -O. would work better for me most of the time too. thanks :) |
| 19:14.20 | qneo | careta: great, thanks. I knew how to build my own kernel, but I didn't want to. this is what I wanted - to keep it "in correct way". |
| 19:15.12 | careta | qneo, np. don't forget to install kernel-package (the make-kpkg command). it is a great tool |
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| 19:16.17 | qneo | sure, thank you |
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| 19:16.56 | JyZyXEL | does wget have resume download? |
| 19:16.57 | enouf | careta: newer kernel-package versions have benn altered a bit, see http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt |
| 19:17.11 | hark | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 19:17.12 | enouf | JyZyXEL: -c |
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| 19:17.24 | JyZyXEL | didn't work |
| 19:17.37 | hark | depends on server support |
| 19:17.41 | ustunozgur | I'm getting lpr: Unsupported format application/postscript error trying to print, any idea? I'm running sid |
| 19:17.48 | JJOliver | Argh these things are never easy. wget is downloading g from the link that the download button gives, but it's downloading a 'download.php'. Any suggestions on how to actually get it to download the file? |
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| 19:17.53 | enouf | and if you altered location of saved file :-p |
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| 19:18.35 | enouf | JJOliver: your giving wget the wrong URL |
| 19:19.04 | enouf | it's not wget's fault, but the webidiots that made the site |
| 19:19.05 | JyZyXEL | oh ok i had to set the correct output file :) |
| 19:19.08 | akcom | I'm trying to minimize the size of my debian installation and I noticed I have a couple kernel daemons related to usb. How can I disable them (specifically, khubd, ksuspend_usbd) |
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| 19:19.34 | JJOliver | enouf: what do you suggest? |
| 19:19.45 | Juje007 | stew: ata |
| 19:19.50 | enouf | pass wget the correct url ;-) |
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| 19:20.41 | JJOliver | enouf: how do I get the correct url if i'll i'm being i if all i'm being given is an autodre-direcut? |
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| 19:21.16 | enouf | to obtain it, sometimes i review the source HTML , sometimes i let iceweasel tell me, sometimes like for .rm / ,ram the URL is in the text file .. etc etc |
| 19:21.28 | rudi_s | JJOliver: If download.php contains the real data everything is fine and mv download.php xxx works perfectly. Or you use -O xxx. |
| 19:21.43 | rudi_s | -O with wget. |
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| 19:22.20 | enouf | s/IW/IW plugins/ |
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| 19:22.46 | d0htem | how would one unpackage a .deb and reconfigure it ( like where it installs and such ) |
| 19:22.51 | JJOliver | Thanks |
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| 19:23.01 | steve_j | heya |
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| 19:23.13 | steve_j | anyone come across issues with Lenny and PIL? |
| 19:23.14 | enouf | !package basics |
| 19:23.14 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 19:24.03 | deco | i just made myself a backport , will it update ? or will i have to build it everytime the source from sid gets updates ? |
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| 19:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | deco, it will update when there is a newer version in *your* repros |
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| 19:26.06 | deco | CutMeOwnThroat: so that means i have to build a deb for the new updated sources in sid right ? |
| 19:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you're using stable, it will update when squeeze becomes stable |
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| 19:26.24 | enouf | deco: if you don't want that to happen, man dpkg-statoverride |
| 19:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | (because by then squeeze will have a version >= what's currently in sid) |
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| 19:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | deco, depends on what you want :) |
| 19:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | deco, if you want the version at that time in sid, then yes |
| 19:27.24 | deco | CutMeOwnThroat: i build iceweasel 3.0.11, so it there's a new one in sid i have to build a backport again for it right? |
| 19:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want that version, yes |
| 19:27.48 | deco | CutMeOwnThroat: ok got it . thanks :-) |
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| 19:29.13 | deco | debian is so awesome :P |
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| 19:29.47 | FreakGuard | my access.conf on my router: http://pastie.org/private/2ulzxosxkyprhbsb4gjq - but I still can login as root from an external IP |
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| 19:30.54 | EvanCarroll | Any perl programmers here want to see something awesomely lame and stupid. |
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| 19:31.13 | EvanCarroll | look at that nasty hack some newb laid into your XML::SAX |
| 19:31.18 | calicojack | when building a deb, how do you force the installation of the Depends specified in control? |
| 19:31.20 | EvanCarroll | hahah |
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| 19:35.57 | smacnay_ | Wow - talk about frustrating... unless this Win app doesn't burn .iso images properly, seems Vista won't allow me to boot a cd device. |
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| 19:36.21 | smacnay_ | I am making sure that when I burn the iso, I select the "make disc bootable" option. The resulting disk as two .bin files. |
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| 19:37.28 | cahoot | smacnay: how would any os be able to interfere with boot? |
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| 19:37.41 | freenick | i haven't done an apt-get upgrade in a while and now it wants to update my debian-archive-keyring with a package that could not be authenticated. is there any way to verify that it is ok to update? |
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| 19:38.23 | smacnay_ | cahoot: not sure unless it is a HP bios thing. I am wondering if the Win software isn't burning the images properly. |
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| 19:45.43 | enouf | freenick: /msg dpkg new archive key |
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| 19:46.33 | enouf | smacnay_: you shouldn't need make disk bootable |
| 19:46.59 | enouf | the ISO already should have that info within (syslinux, isolinux, el torito, whatever) |
| 19:47.32 | enouf | smacnay_: just use Burm Image option (as i recall nero offering way back in 98 days) |
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| 19:48.47 | monkey_d_luffy | I need to run fsck before mount (HDD problems). But I tried to enter my password with no success. I think the problem is the keyboard layout is not being selected. Any way to choose keyboard in grub? What am I missing? |
| 19:49.09 | RichiH | adb: thanks. i klined the host |
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| 19:49.47 | enouf | smacnay_: i recently installed and used cdburnerXP on an XP box, i think feinman? also has a free version for windows, with the vista version allowing for DVD burning too |
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| 19:51.41 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: grub2? but can you boot a livecd? mount your / rw, then cd into that /mnt/point and "touch forcefsck" and reboot normally - remove CD ;-) |
| 19:51.41 | Akuw | actually there is no crond runing, i am using Debian Lenny |
| 19:51.41 | enouf | gah |
| 19:51.50 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: "touch /forcefsck" |
| 19:52.12 | enouf | or you could chroot and do it |
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| 19:52.46 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: I already did that and it isn't enough :( epic mess on my system http://pastebin.com/d6695bd48 |
| 19:52.59 | monkey_d_luffy | and I don't have a livecd here |
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| 19:54.12 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: I need to login as root as single user mode. But I can't type my password... I think it's because of non-alpha characters, which change places from us keyboard to my own layout. |
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| 19:54.23 | amd64deb-2-6-24 | can backtrack 4 be run in debian vm? |
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| 19:55.08 | monkey_d_luffy | I even tried on another computer to set US layout and pinpoint the missing characters... but still didn't work... I have no idea why. |
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| 19:55.56 | monkey_d_luffy | is feeling a *little bit* violent and insane right now |
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| 19:56.09 | monkey_d_luffy | data loss for sure :'( |
| 19:56.28 | Zambezi | Time to distupgrade. 598 MB free on / (which is only 2.7 GB) and 2-2.5 GB free on /home which I'm downloding packages to using symlink. Will 600 MB be enough? I'm not sure. |
| 19:58.29 | nkuttler | Zambezi: you don't have to dist-upgrade everything at once |
| 19:58.55 | smacnay_ | enouf: thanks - I had to run to the bus stop to get a child. |
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| 19:59.17 | smacnay_ | enouf: I am so lost in Vista - I hardly have used Win for 10 years and never have I used Vista before. |
| 19:59.18 | enouf | np |
| 19:59.28 | enouf | samw |
| 19:59.32 | enouf | same |
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| 20:01.03 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Oh, didn't know that. I though about packagesloss. I can extend / but I'm afraid I'll data get corrupted. Then I'll start with squeeze main and squeeze updates. Contrib and non-free later will do? |
| 20:01.46 | Zambezi | nkuttler: The best would be to have /home an a seperate drive and then have / and everything on hda. |
| 20:02.17 | tdn | What is best apache2-mpm-worker or apache2-mpm-prefork? Is prefork required for apache2 and PHP5 in Debian? |
| 20:02.20 | smacnay_ | enouf: I notice that the resulting burn shows two .bin files on the cd. Is this correct? |
| 20:02.56 | enouf | for which ISO? and generally no |
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| 20:03.38 | smacnay_ | enouf: For the AMD-64 5.01 install. I am guessing that the app I am using does not burn properly. Or I have missed some setting somewhere. |
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| 20:05.43 | nkuttler | Zambezi: just do apt-get install foo to install the new version |
| 20:05.52 | nkuttler | Zambezi: beware of breakage though |
| 20:06.38 | enouf | smacnay_: which CPU do you have? and have you run md5sum on the ISO? |
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| 20:07.41 | smacnay_ | enouf: dual core 64 Intel and verified that the AMD64 was supported... |
| 20:07.57 | Zambezi | nkuttler: If it breaks, it breaks. Most likely it does, but I give it a go. I have a netinst somewhere and everything (I can remeber) are backuped. Wish me good luck. ;-) |
| 20:08.14 | iluminator101 | when i do apt-get remove evolution, it also tries to remove gnome and stuff how do i deselect that |
| 20:08.34 | nkuttler | Zambezi: nah, breakage won't be _that_ bad |
| 20:08.37 | smacnay_ | iluminator101: tricky because evolution is integral to gnome. |
| 20:09.20 | iluminator101 | i just do not want evolution mail thats all |
| 20:09.46 | themill | dpkg: tell iluminator101 about unmarkauto |
| 20:10.06 | Zambezi | nkuttler: I'll find out. See you. |
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| 20:11.28 | nick_h | is there a tool that can be used to spider a particular site, looking for one specific text phrase? i'm not seeing anything like that in wget or curl's manpage |
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| 20:12.13 | sanesmith | anyone have an idea why BIND9 would work fine inside my LAN but if a machine outside tries to use it, it doesnt work? |
| 20:12.26 | nkuttler | nick_h: grep what wget downloaded? |
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| 20:13.16 | nick_h | nkuttler: yeah, that's an option. thaks |
| 20:13.19 | nick_h | s/thaks/thanks/ |
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| 20:13.42 | action09 | oy |
| 20:14.04 | sanesmith | anyone? |
| 20:14.30 | nkuttler | !tell sanesmith about errors |
| 20:17.50 | sanesmith | nkuttler: I'm getting: http://pastebin.ca/1463941 |
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| 20:18.31 | iluminator101 | i couldnt find unmarkauto |
| 20:18.58 | sanesmith | nkuttler: the same command, but with the server's internal address works |
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| 20:20.37 | nkuttler | sanesmith: you said your bind runs on your own network, how is the outside world supposed to access it? |
| 20:21.06 | iluminator101 | permission to pm themill |
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| 20:21.17 | sanesmith | nkuttler: port 53 forwarded |
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| 20:21.42 | nkuttler | sanesmith: i'd begin by checking if the port is open at all, telnet etc. i'm no bind expert though |
| 20:21.52 | sanesmith | already did |
| 20:21.57 | sanesmith | port is open and good |
| 20:22.26 | iluminator101 | is unmarkauto in the standard repos |
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| 20:22.57 | jmho_ | hi, I'm using the sid distribution and I'm following the debian-devel-changes ml, but sometime I don't get upgrades, for example on the ml I see amarok 2.1.1, but I only get 1.4.10. What am I missing here? |
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| 20:23.56 | designs703 | It seems that most Unix programs use a similarly formatted flat file for settings, especially those close to the system. Am I correct in assuming that there is some common parser available on Unix systems responsible for this format? If so, what's it called? |
| 20:24.29 | stew | designs703: depends on which format you are talking about |
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| 20:24.43 | nkuttler | jmho_: experimental |
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| 20:25.12 | designs703 | stew: ok, /etc/fstab |
| 20:25.32 | stew | designs703: i don't know of any other file that has the same format as /etc/fstab |
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| 20:25.35 | jmho_ | nkuttler: ah ok, so what is announced there goes into experimental first and with some luck we see it some time later in sid, right? |
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| 20:26.07 | designs703 | stew: OK, /etc/hosts |
| 20:26.17 | nkuttler | jmho_: i don't think so, no, but i don't read the list |
| 20:26.26 | nkuttler | jmho_: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 20:26.36 | designs703 | or am I wrong, and all of these have their own parsers?? I certainly hope that's not the case |
| 20:27.02 | SuperMiguel | while watchin videos on youtube the video/sound freezes any idea why? |
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| 20:27.20 | stew | designs703: none of these are very hard to parse. at all |
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| 20:27.32 | jmho_ | nkuttler: thx |
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| 20:27.37 | stew | designs703: and yes, I'd imagine they all have their own parsers |
| 20:28.01 | Hinata | Hi, I'm trying to install debian testing using an iso I downloaded and burned today, but when comming to hd detection it sais there aren't any hd drive... is this because I do something wrong or there is a bug?... |
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| 20:28.12 | Akuw | i need help with cron |
| 20:28.22 | designs703 | stew: it's tough if you're more used to CSS than C :) |
| 20:28.45 | nkuttler | Hinata: try #debian-boot at oftc |
| 20:29.25 | Hinata | oftc? |
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| 20:29.39 | Pnux | hey guys, im having some troubles with my audio, from time to time it just stops playing, i was listening to music in amarok and pausing and replaying the music solved the problem, now im using vlc and it keeps happening, only this time pausing and replaying doesnt work. What can i do to narrow down posibilities of this? |
| 20:29.40 | stew | Hinata: irc.debian.org |
| 20:29.55 | Hinata | thank you very much ^^ |
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| 20:30.49 | nkuttler | Pnux: consider using something more lightweight like mpg123, cplay etc |
| 20:31.10 | nkuttler | Pnux: other than that, watch running processes, nice them, check kernel latency |
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| 20:31.52 | Pnux | its not a software issue, im pretty sure |
| 20:32.06 | nkuttler | Pnux: what else? |
| 20:32.17 | Pnux | alsa perhaps |
| 20:32.25 | nkuttler | alsa is software.. |
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| 20:40.50 | dashs | Trying to switch to xfce4 from a custom blackbox desktop. nm_applet (nma_dbus_init) continuos issues msg "could not acquire service Connection :x,xxx is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo". |
| 20:40.51 | iluminator101 | how do i clean dead links in gnome menu |
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| 20:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's all those klines about |
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| 20:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... that was just a bit weird, no? |
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| 20:46.09 | adama_ | what's K-lined? |
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| 20:46.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | forcefully disconnected |
| 20:47.03 | patrikf | that's what you get for spamming on irc networks |
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| 20:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... "<Sky`> Can Some One Help Me?"? |
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| 20:47.58 | monkey_d_luffy | My hard disk is messed up. I'm now trying to "fsck -f /dev/sdc1" and it says "resize inode not valid recreate<y>?" does this translates in automatic data loss? |
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| 20:48.44 | patrikf | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe he said that on 100 channels. |
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| 20:49.15 | sulphur | hello somebody help with bluetooth device |
| 20:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | could be... would be aweird thing to do, but...sure |
| 20:49.42 | sulphur | bluetooth is'nt in hwdinfo |
| 20:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, guess everything fsck asks you about translates in some type of data loss |
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| 20:50.45 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: is it possible to mount the drive now as readonly? and try to backup files? |
| 20:50.57 | monkey_d_luffy | or is it too late now? |
| 20:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, yes, but chances are it won't do you any good... whatever got corrupted is corrupted by now |
| 20:51.30 | monkey_d_luffy | fuuuuuuuu :( |
| 20:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | good that you got all those backups already, eh? :) |
| 20:52.48 | TpK | xen + oepnvz in debian kernel, anyone use??? |
| 20:52.49 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: new HDD... 1 month or so.... the fuped thing is that I moved files to it... And before I rebooted I could access all files that I tried. |
| 20:52.49 | TpK | ?? |
| 20:53.18 | TpK | xen + openvz on debian kernel, anyone use? |
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| 20:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sulphur, apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 20:55.02 | njk- | so i'm wondering if it is possible to have wget detect changes and then download files |
| 20:55.08 | njk- | don't see anything related in the man page |
| 20:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, /home or system files? |
| 20:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | njk-, no, how should that work |
| 20:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it has to download it to compare to a previous version... |
| 20:55.50 | njk- | not sure... was just making sure i didn't miss anything in the man page |
| 20:55.51 | sulphur | CutMeOwnThroat i try this dosent work |
| 20:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's wget -c, though for growing files |
| 20:56.14 | njk- | right, i saw -c, but that says it will resume from an offset greater than the file size |
| 20:56.26 | njk- | which won't really work either |
| 20:56.52 | zleap | wget -c works fine for me if downloading big files |
| 20:56.53 | sulphur | CutMeOwnThroat debian dosent sea bluetooth device |
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| 20:57.28 | jelly-home | njk-: how would one detect changes in the middle of a file? |
| 20:57.38 | zleap | diff |
| 20:57.43 | jelly-home | njk-: use rsync if you can |
| 20:58.01 | jelly-home | zleap: a remote file. Mind the context. |
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| 20:58.19 | zleap | sorrty |
| 20:58.25 | iostream_ | I have placed a script in /etc/init.d/ and used update-rc.d to install it. It runs when i start-up the system, but not upon shutdown. What could I be doing wrong? |
| 20:58.32 | njk- | jelly, i unfortunately don't have rsync or ssh access to the remote system |
| 20:59.11 | njk- | iostream_: update-rc.d $SCRIPT defaults |
| 20:59.26 | njk- | should create all the necessary start and kill scripts |
| 20:59.26 | jelly-home | njk-: ask them to set up a rsync server? |
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| 20:59.48 | njk- | jelly-home: yeah... i can try :-) |
| 21:00.03 | karsten | Is there any way to determine link status on a given interface through commands? Eg: ethtool, ip, other? |
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| 21:00.21 | njk- | but rsync still will grab everything and not just files that have changed i believe |
| 21:00.31 | iostream_ | njk-: Yeah, I did that, the symlinks are there.. Like /etc/rc0.d/K20myscript, but it doesnt seem to run |
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| 21:00.41 | njk- | karsten: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 21:00.57 | karsten | njk-: That shows the ifupdown configured state. |
| 21:01.01 | njk- | then the script is bad |
| 21:01.10 | karsten | njk-: I want to know on a remote box what interfaces are actually connected. |
| 21:01.24 | karsten | njk-: ip link show <device> seems to be what I'm looking for. |
| 21:01.25 | karsten | tests. |
| 21:01.27 | njk- | karsten: hmmm |
| 21:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, plain ifconfig? |
| 21:01.44 | njk- | not sure that's possible |
| 21:01.49 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: No. See prior |
| 21:01.59 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: not where my home is, but it holds "home" files :( not sure of everything I had there |
| 21:02.03 | karsten | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 100 link/ether 00:21:86:52:97:00 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 21:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, -a? |
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| 21:02.33 | njk- | CutMeOwnThroat: he's trying to determine what interfaces on a given system are connected |
| 21:02.35 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I know what my interfaces are. There are several labled 2-11 on this box. |
| 21:02.57 | njk- | given remote system is what he said earlier |
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| 21:04.14 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Trying to do bonded network interfaces. |
| 21:04.32 | njk- | ahh |
| 21:04.32 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: just tried to do a ls on the drive after a read-only mount and I get a bunch of errors. Doesn't ext2/3 keep a backup of the master block thingy/whatever ??? why does this happen? |
| 21:04.37 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 21:04.41 | njk- | some nagios plugin would probably help you |
| 21:04.46 | karsten | Maybe trying to dhclient various interfaces. |
| 21:05.05 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: pastebin the error |
| 21:05.09 | iostream_ | njk-: Turns out it was a permission problem, thanks anyway:) |
| 21:05.47 | njk- | iostream, permissions? |
| 21:05.58 | njk- | root cannot kill things on your system? |
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| 21:06.29 | njk- | you were running the init script as root, weren't you? |
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| 21:09.08 | jaybee | Will amd64 work on an intel E5100? |
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| 21:14.59 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler and CutMeOwnThroat : http://pastebin.com/m16abcb69 |
| 21:15.01 | ksnp | i keep getting the following error when attempting to make a ssl http connection : |
| 21:15.02 | ksnp | SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET |
| 21:15.03 | ksnp | can anyone suggest how to fix or tell the cause ? |
| 21:16.27 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: io error sounds like bad hardware |
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| 21:17.48 | petemc | ksnp: with what are you trying to make this connection? |
| 21:18.25 | paxcoder | i have icedtea-gcjwebplugin and openjdk runtime (currently selected to run jar's), but mozilla fails to run java applets. what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:18.30 | jaybee | Hmm here's another question, with debian i386 what is the actuall target architecture? Presumably it uses things like SSE? |
| 21:18.33 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Hrm... Maybe you've got something. Sec. |
| 21:19.02 | anddam_ | hi |
| 21:19.04 | anddam_ | when formatting aptitude search output can i shrink to a fixed number of chars an expandable column? |
| 21:19.08 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: I think my disk overheated. When I opened the box it was kind of hot (way to go geforce gtx 275). But now... what can I do to rescue my data? I can't mount it read only. |
| 21:19.09 | abrotman | paxcoder: update-java-alternatives ? |
| 21:19.36 | monkey_d_luffy | (3 year old WD survided. 1 month old samsung... fried) |
| 21:20.14 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: did you try an fsck? |
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| 21:20.35 | sulphur | bluetooth device dosen't work squeeze toshiba satelita p300-1ce |
| 21:20.39 | dcestari | hello everybody |
| 21:21.10 | dcestari | I'm setting up a NAT gateway with iptables. but my windows clients can't reach eachether using netbios (samba) |
| 21:21.53 | sulphur | somebody help |
| 21:22.00 | jaybee | dcestari smb/nbd don't like gateways |
| 21:22.36 | jaybee | you can get a specific smb proxy/gateway thingy, you should look for that, a wins proxy or something? |
| 21:22.51 | dcestari | can't it be transparent? |
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| 21:23.15 | dcestari | they worked just fine using a dlink router |
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| 21:23.41 | jaybee | Are you also masquerading udp? |
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| 21:25.02 | dcestari | i just did a "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 21:25.51 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: when I try a fsck -f /dev/sdc1 I get this message: resize inode not valid. Recreate<y>? This looked like somewhat destructive. I had hopped I could mount the drive before hell breaks loose. What are my options? |
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| 21:27.39 | sulphur | somebody help |
| 21:27.39 | sulphur | bluetooth device dosen't work squeeze toshiba satelita p300-1ce |
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| 21:29.25 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: my fsck strategy is to hold the y key, but i don't know what i'm doing.. |
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| 21:32.06 | adama_ | mine too |
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| 21:33.48 | anddam_ | anyone about the aptitude thing? |
| 21:34.33 | adama_ | anddam_: what do you mean "expandable"? |
| 21:34.50 | adama_ | try COLUMNS=40 aptitude search blah |
| 21:34.59 | anddam_ | I used %10p but still the package name is bigger than 10 chars |
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| 21:35.15 | anddam_ | adama_: that's how the columns are called in aptitude reference |
| 21:35.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: what do you mean by "update-java-alternatives"? |
| 21:35.30 | anddam_ | adama_: I want to specify per-column size |
| 21:36.03 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: hehe... does it work? |
| 21:36.30 | stew | anddam_: yeah %10p should work |
| 21:36.52 | stew | anddam_: oh, hmm, wierd. it works for other fields but not for package name, might be a bug |
| 21:36.55 | abrotman | paxcoder: it's a command |
| 21:37.18 | stew | anddam_: "aptitude search -F'%3P,%4s' foo" works as expected, but it doesn't work for p |
| 21:37.20 | abrotman | paxcoder: gcj and openjdk are different AFAIK .. choose the one you want to use for your java |
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| 21:38.07 | elli222 | Hello |
| 21:38.10 | Javi-K | Hi ! |
| 21:38.20 | karsten | OK, sort of answering my previous NIC link question... |
| 21:38.56 | karsten | 'ethtool <interface> | grep link' will give status, but it doesn't work the way I want ti to. |
| 21:39.07 | anddam_ | stew: that would have drive me crazy |
| 21:39.18 | karsten | I know that eth3 can get a dhcp lease, but if it's ifdowned, link shows as "no". |
| 21:39.19 | anddam_ | thanks |
| 21:39.42 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: in the past, yes. nowadays i use backups and throw away hds with massive filesystem errors. |
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| 21:40.41 | hkvn_ | helloi |
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| 21:40.52 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: fsck asks me that question, but I can't find out what exaclty are the implications of that. And google isn't helping as well. |
| 21:41.12 | monkey_d_luffy | are both answers destructive? |
| 21:41.15 | monkey_d_luffy | I have no idea |
| 21:41.16 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: how valuable is the data on the disk? |
| 21:41.19 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: it says recreate |
| 21:41.25 | hetOrakel | hi all, how can i see what is using my eth1. gkrelm is going crazy! |
| 21:41.27 | paxcoder | abrotman: what switches do I give it? (if you don't mind) |
| 21:41.38 | elli222 | dpkg-reconfigure won't replace deleted configuration files. is this suppost to happen? |
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| 21:42.34 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: I'm not sure of how valuable, because I was in the process of moving files to there... And I now that latter I will be doing something and realize that I had those files there! :/ |
| 21:42.44 | monkey_d_luffy | yes recreate... |
| 21:42.52 | monkey_d_luffy | but what does that mean exaclty |
| 21:43.05 | monkey_d_luffy | I don't know what fsck does. |
| 21:43.56 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: well, i told you what i would do. and use cp in the future to transfer files from disk to disk |
| 21:44.40 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: oh, i'm talking about ext2/3, can't comment on other fs |
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| 21:45.10 | monkey_d_luffy | It's an ext2 system (after the first fsck told it deleted the ext3 journal) |
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| 21:48.10 | MrWax | I like to install the latest debian netinst on my Virtualbox (VMWARE) - I'm on an AMD64, but like to use flash for example, can I also choose for the i386 arch? |
| 21:48.16 | abrotman | paxcoder: none ? |
| 21:48.53 | anddam_ | bye |
| 21:49.30 | paxcoder | abrotman: prints out usage |
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| 21:50.18 | paxcoder | i tried -a, and it printed out bunch of errors |
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| 21:51.12 | patrikf | MrWax: yes. but there's a version of flash for amd64 |
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| 21:52.23 | paxcoder | patrikf: i don't think so, you sure? |
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| 21:53.37 | MrWax | patrikf: yep nvm just hears |
| 21:53.40 | MrWax | heard* |
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| 21:56.06 | abrotman | paxcoder: maybe -s ? to set it ? |
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| 21:57.46 | mesa_booger | 64 bit flash, alpha version - http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 21:58.05 | abrotman | old news ... |
| 21:58.52 | mesa_booger | i know that. you know that. but paxcoder didn't |
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| 22:03.59 | keriati | hi, i got some problem compileing some files, the problem is this: error: u_int64_t does not name a type, however i got this: #define uint64 u_int64_t |
| 22:04.20 | keriati | am i missing some libs here or any id on this? |
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| 22:06.05 | monkey_d_luffy | nkuttler: this question is late but.... you mentioned that you now copy all your data with "cp". Can fancy GUIs like konqueror, nautilus, etc not be as reliable as cp? Why did you say that? |
| 22:07.44 | nkuttler | monkey_d_luffy: i don't use gui apps unless necessary |
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| 22:08.15 | eirikb | Hello. How can I make a PATH globally working? I tried adding GRAILS_HOME to /etc/profile and ran export, but does not work. Must I add it to each users .profile? |
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| 22:09.37 | paxcoder | abrotman: i don't know what to -s |
| 22:10.16 | abrotman | paxcoder: update-java-alternatives -l .. which one is on top ? |
| 22:10.18 | eirikb | Must I reboot? Is there no way without reboot? |
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| 22:10.31 | microtux | hi |
| 22:10.36 | nkuttler | eirikb: logout/login should do |
| 22:10.49 | paxcoder | abrotman: openjdk |
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| 22:11.27 | eirikb | nkuttler: Does not seem to work. I tried adding to .bashrc, and that worked (when logging in/out). But I still want it to be global. Maybe I must use /etc/enviorment? *test* |
| 22:11.27 | microtux | when trying to mount the cdrom : mount /media/cdrom i got this error : /dev/scd0 does not exist |
| 22:11.32 | microtux | any suggestion ? |
| 22:12.00 | nkuttler | eirikb: see man bash, invocation as well |
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| 22:12.18 | abrotman | paxcoder: that's better than the gcj .. which java applet crashes? considered bad java code? |
| 22:13.36 | eirikb | nkuttler: It seems to work. Sorry. I must have a typo in my /etc/profile. Thanks :) |
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| 22:20.53 | hetOrakel | how can i see wich app is using my network |
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| 22:21.24 | abrotman | jnettop ? iftop ? |
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| 22:25.19 | hetOrakel | abrotman: your the best, thx! life is easy when one gets a little hint! |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | you're |
| 22:26.35 | abrotman | thanks! |
| 22:26.38 | abrotman | you're welcome |
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| 22:27.09 | paxcoder | abrotman: test applets (via web in iceweasel) don't work at all. (nothing crashes) |
| 22:27.35 | abrotman | paxcoder: URL ? or stuff oyu're writing ? |
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| 22:30.12 | themill | paxcoder: have you checked about:plugins to see what java plugin is being used? |
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| 22:31.28 | paxcoder | abrotman: http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp now it does something - more precisely, locks the browser |
| 22:31.38 | abrotman | it might just be working hard |
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| 22:32.09 | paxcoder | abrotman: what does yours do? |
| 22:32.16 | simonrvn | working haaard for the money, so haaard for the money money |
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| 22:32.26 | simonrvn | o/~ |
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| 22:32.37 | abrotman | paxcoder: mine works :) |
| 22:32.43 | abrotman | !sing simonrvn |
| 22:32.46 | Papageno | What's the proper way to create a new super user? |
| 22:32.47 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:33.05 | at0m | Papageno, visudo ? |
| 22:33.22 | simonrvn | Papageno: why? |
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| 22:34.32 | paxcoder | themill: checked now. it says "IcedTea" all over the place. |
| 22:34.41 | Papageno | at0m: so just adding a user to the sudoers is enough to make him have the equivalent privileges of the default account? |
| 22:34.58 | themill | paxcoder: probably a good sign that you got the right incantation to update-java-alternatives |
| 22:35.00 | nkuttler | Papageno: default account? |
| 22:35.17 | dkr | Papageno: adduser --system --uid 0 toor |
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| 22:36.07 | paxcoder | themill: the fact that it locks is. however it's still locked (64bit btw) |
| 22:36.12 | paxcoder | (testing) |
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| 22:37.20 | paxcoder | abrotman: the fact that there's almost no CPU usage would imply a bug |
| 22:38.00 | at0m | Papageno, carefull what you're doing there. for administrative purposes, i suggest you just use "su" to login to the shell as root |
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| 22:39.56 | abrotman | paxcoder: sorry .. gotta get out of here |
| 22:40.08 | cognitiaclaeves | sid? wow. |
| 22:40.29 | paxcoder | i have yet to see java re running things properly. haven't seen that since my starting days with old sun proprietary java on suse (before MS) |
| 22:40.52 | mesa_booger | time to bring the wheel group |
| 22:40.58 | mesa_booger | back |
| 22:41.03 | paxcoder | cognitiaclaeves: squeeze |
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| 22:41.36 | paxcoder | i wonder how come noone did that yet. |
| 22:41.46 | paxcoder | *to mesa_booger |
| 22:42.30 | mesa_booger | obeisance to richard stallman, is the short answer |
| 22:43.09 | mesa_booger | or should that be "obese ance" ? haha |
| 22:43.35 | paxcoder | hmm, perhaps debian guys yes, but what about other distros? |
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| 22:44.38 | paxcoder | stallman was planted in an invironment where ppl who used computers were smart. we're having these "users" now, you can't give unlimited access to everything. also, i doubt he'd give me his root pass to ssh to his pc. |
| 22:45.46 | TbbW | anyone know how to fix the grub issue when creading a raid10 from lenny basic install ? |
| 22:46.11 | TbbW | it cant install grub in the end if the installation "this is a fatal error" |
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| 22:47.05 | Papageno | .j #ubuntu |
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| 22:47.24 | _Brandon_ | hi, are there any known problems with the latest version of bluez/python-bluez in debian unstable? |
| 22:48.02 | adb | _Brandon_: tried BTS? |
| 22:48.17 | mib_w6tnuk | I'm trying to install lenny through a Microsoft ISA proxy server, and cannot get apt toauthenticate. I've tried the following proxy configuration: http://<domain>\<user>:<pass>@<ip address>:80 and the regular varation without the domain specified. However I cannot get through. Is there any way around this? |
| 22:48.18 | TbbW | errors in console shows "no mapping exists for md0" and "/usr/sbin/grub-install: line 374: [: =: unary operator expected" |
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| 22:49.37 | _Brandon_ | adb: I'll try that |
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| 23:02.38 | mib_w6tnuk | I'm trying to install lenny through a Microsoft ISA proxy server, and cannot get apt toauthenticate. I've tried the following proxy configuration: http: //< domain>\< user>:< pass>@< ip address>: 80 and the regular varation without the domain specified. However I cannot get through. Is there any way around this? |
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| 23:06.50 | themill | mib_w6tnuk: have you tried \\ instead of \ ? |
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| 23:07.43 | lolufail | hai |
| 23:08.52 | lolufail | can I spawn another vsftpd on a different port? |
| 23:09.14 | lolufail | (without installing another version to another dir with another config dir) |
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| 23:11.06 | mitrax | hello, how come there's no openssl-dev package for lenny? |
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| 23:11.34 | mitrax | gah nevermind it's call libssl-dev |
| 23:11.35 | mitrax | called |
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| 23:14.23 | efaistos | hi |
| 23:15.29 | efaistos | Im trying to use an old pc with a plasma ... its resolution is 800x600 max apparently ... but I have another issue ... GDM fonts are too small and the same with the mouse icon ... I cant even see it when I log in |
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| 23:15.37 | efaistos | any idea how to resolve that ... |
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| 23:24.39 | adama_ | efaistos: you can set the DPI in xorg.conf |
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| 23:26.00 | efaistos | adama_: an example somewhere ? |
| 23:26.02 | adama_ | specifically, in the Device section for your video card, put Option "DPI" "96 x 96" and Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE" |
| 23:26.13 | efaistos | oki thanks I'll try |
| 23:26.20 | adama_ | this is what I have on my laptop which is nvidia |
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| 23:28.04 | adama_ | use the actual DPI of your monitor, or just mess around with it until you like the looks of it |
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| 23:29.11 | enouf | TbbW: not sure .. but the unary operator expected i thought might be an architecture related issue? also a) grub wouldn't be available if LVM is also used, but i guess you have it available, but it fails? grub2 (grub-common and grub-pc pkgs?) should handle the the LVM issue; for grub1 (grub-legacy) /boot needs to be on non-LVM, and an initrd must be used |
| 23:29.46 | efaistos | adama_: how to get the dpi of the screen ... actually it's a plasma screen with apparently a resolution of 800*600 max i think |
| 23:30.10 | \amethyst | that error happens when grub-probe -t fs ${grubdir} returns an empty string |
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| 23:30.33 | efaistos | its an old GeForce2 MX/MX 400 card |
| 23:31.20 | avu | efaistos, well, you know its width and the resolution, thus you know the DPI :) |
| 23:32.03 | adama_ | efaistos: it's the number of pixels in a square inch ... use a ruler? |
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| 23:32.17 | adama_ | don't hurt your eyes ;) |
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| 23:33.17 | mesa_booger | adama_: it's actually the square root of the number of pixels in a square inch |
| 23:33.38 | enouf | TbbW: not sure if any of that info is even useful to you - have you seen this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto (which is old ..and fixed for a while now) ? and have you checked the BTS? |
| 23:33.42 | adama_ | not really: Option "DPI" "96 x 96" |
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| 23:35.21 | enouf | TbbW: lastly http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 23:42.17 | enouf | efaistos: xrandr and xdpyinfo might be useful -- otherwise read the Plamsma screen manual (as far as i can tell, DPI is what you set it to) - google ;-) |
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| 23:42.35 | enouf | and heh, i never understood where the 95 comes from; |
| 23:42.37 | enouf | ~$ grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:42.38 | enouf | (**) NV(0): DPI set to (95, 96 |
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| 23:44.02 | mesa_booger | it's cos the pixels are slightly shorter north-south, due to relativistic bending of the space-time manifold |
| 23:44.40 | \amethyst | C|N>K |
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| 23:45.07 | efaistos | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.08 | efaistos | (**) NV(0): DPI set to (28, 37) |
| 23:45.12 | efaistos | ?? |
| 23:45.15 | efaistos | 28,37 |
| 23:46.26 | ksnp | i keep getting the following error when attempting to make a ssl http connection : |
| 23:46.27 | ksnp | SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET |
| 23:46.28 | ksnp | can anyone suggest how to fix or tell the cause ? |
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| 23:47.51 | adb | ksnp: don't get an answord earlier ? |
| 23:49.05 | enouf | efaistos: i'm also using 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) however, my monitor is an NEC LCD ;-) |
| 23:49.21 | efaistos | enouf: my monitor is a plasma screen ;) |
| 23:49.30 | ksnp | i got the usie of port |
| 23:49.33 | enouf | efaistos: are you using the nv driver? grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:49.38 | ksnp | like server:443 instead of server |
| 23:49.41 | efaistos | Trying to set up that old box to use it as a media center |
| 23:49.47 | efaistos | yeah nv |
| 23:49.50 | ksnp | adb ? |
| 23:49.50 | enouf | efaistos: shouldn't that have like awesome resolution abilities? |
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| 23:50.27 | adb | ksnp: file a bug than |
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| 23:50.28 | efaistos | enouf: the screen is old maybe 4 years now |
| 23:50.36 | ksnp | i have debian, but no gui or kde |
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| 23:50.42 | ksnp | is there a way i can do https from it ? |
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| 23:50.50 | ismaell | hi ppl |
| 23:51.13 | efaistos | ksnp: lynx ? |
| 23:51.18 | enouf | ksnp: didn't you ask that in/on freenode earlier today? and stew gave you some decent answers and asked you how to test |
| 23:51.39 | dkr | ksnp: lynx-ssl |
| 23:51.40 | enouf | ksnp: some browsers don't support https |
| 23:51.54 | enouf | links2 did .. not sure if it still does |
| 23:52.18 | ksnp | ok, will try lynx-ssl |
| 23:52.39 | ksnp | enouf : i want to check if my ssl problem is due not sepcifying 443 |
| 23:52.43 | enouf | or maybe i'm thinking; "don't support ipv6" though .. bah |
| 23:52.59 | ksnp | enouf : stew's answer was to use 443 |
| 23:53.39 | enouf | i thought it was, try with http - then again with https .. if http works, then ...oh nm |
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| 23:54.13 | efaistos | enouf: is there a way to center the screen ? |
| 23:54.18 | enouf | efaistos: hrm .. and? what does google tell you it's resolution should be? |
| 23:54.23 | efaistos | since its a plasma i dont have any buttons ;) |
| 23:54.30 | enouf | efaistos: capable of |
| 23:54.31 | ksnp | i don't have http(s) client |
| 23:54.42 | ksnp | and i can't use http |
| 23:54.47 | ksnp | anyway i am trying lynx-ssl |
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| 23:58.00 | efaistos | enouf: doc says 1024x1024 but when i put that -----> out of range :'( |
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| 23:58.38 | efaistos | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitachi-42PD6600-Visible-Plasma-Television/dp/B000JL0F4Q |
| 23:59.06 | sulphur | i have problem bluetooth toshiba p300 |
| 23:59.09 | enouf | efaistos: try defining your Ver/Hor refresh rates (ranges) in Xorg |
| 23:59.14 | sulphur | somebody help?? |
| 23:59.15 | enouf | xorg.conf |
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