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| 00:00.15 | mesa_booger | enouf: yeah too true. or provide a single modeline and clamp tightly onto it :) |
| 00:00.46 | enouf | mesa_booger: heh .. cvt is a nice little tool ;-) |
| 00:00.50 | ismaell | hey, anyone recently had problems with mailman? |
| 00:02.17 | enouf | ksnp: well, one correction, this is freenode -- i thought i/we was/were on oftc.net .. which i'm also on |
| 00:02.27 | efaistos | enouf: Option "noDDC" resolved my F. issue |
| 00:02.28 | efaistos | ;) |
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| 00:03.13 | mesa_booger | enouf: yeah that cvt is nice. i used xvidtune to get mine, cos you can tweak it a bit |
| 00:03.21 | enouf | efaistos: hrm, that's not from man nv - where do you see that? |
| 00:03.55 | enouf | mesa_booger: i keep forgetting about specific x-related utils .. nice |
| 00:05.39 | efaistos | enouf: someon on #gnome said to me that there is probably a driver specific feature to override the autodetection |
| 00:06.17 | enouf | mesa_booger: the man page seems to imply one might use that if no OSD/OSM buttons (physically) for the Monitor are available |
| 00:06.36 | mesa_booger | enouf: i just found an error in the cvt man page. woohoo ! it says kHz for the refresh |
| 00:06.44 | mesa_booger | and we all know that it is Hz |
| 00:06.46 | enouf | efaistos: using an xorg.conf overrides autodetection |
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| 00:07.09 | lolufail | any idea why FXP using vsftpd on my part only works with controlports != 21 ?? |
| 00:07.15 | enouf | mesa_booger: Hor is kHZ, vert is HZ IIRC |
| 00:07.21 | enouf | or .. |
| 00:07.40 | mesa_booger | enouf: sure. i know that |
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| 00:08.25 | enouf | mesa_booger: i was talking about man xvidtune ("the man page seems to imply ...") and you; cvt |
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| 00:08.41 | mesa_booger | enouf: if you put one in, like cvt 1024 768 85, it contradicts the man page directly |
| 00:08.47 | mesa_booger | haha |
| 00:09.11 | lolufail | :\ |
| 00:09.30 | enouf | i see no "noDCC" option anywhere in man xorg/xserver .. hrm |
| 00:10.01 | lolufail | how can I port redirect on a server without the overhead of a ssh tunnel to localhost? |
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| 00:11.51 | enouf | mesa_booger: ahh .. as it's only referring to vertical there? |
| 00:13.18 | dkr | lolufail: iptables |
| 00:13.28 | enouf | efaistos: as root get-edid | parse-edid |
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| 00:15.03 | ham5 | just did a sid update it removed my ia32-libs in place of other stuff, now I cant run my 32bit apps what do I need todo ? |
| 00:15.03 | enouf | sorry .. i meant "20:00 < enouf> i see no "noD*D*C ... |
| 00:15.29 | enouf | reinstall ia42-libs |
| 00:15.31 | enouf | er |
| 00:15.36 | enouf | reinstall ia32-libs |
| 00:15.48 | ham5 | I cant without it wanting to down grade the other crap |
| 00:15.57 | ham5 | their was like 200+ updates :\ |
| 00:15.58 | enouf | judd: versions ia32-libs |
| 00:15.58 | judd | enouf: ia32-libs -- |
| 00:16.14 | enouf | then you did it wrong |
| 00:16.22 | enouf | and continue to do it wrong |
| 00:16.24 | adb | sweet ia42... |
| 00:16.31 | enouf | heh :-P |
| 00:16.34 | ham5 | :~( |
| 00:16.37 | enouf | !42 |
| 00:16.37 | dpkg | [42] the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 00:17.14 | enouf | judd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 00:17.14 | judd | enouf: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 sid: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7 |
| 00:17.28 | adb | enouf: 2:13:31] <smacnay> libc6 is not 64 bit I see |
| 00:17.32 | adb | heh |
| 00:17.32 | enouf | heh, all the same versions :-P (except oldstable) |
| 00:17.54 | enouf | adb: ahh .. from way earlier .. thanks |
| 00:18.01 | efaistos | enouf: ? |
| 00:18.10 | enouf | reads some scrollback |
| 00:18.11 | efaistos | what do you want me to do exactly ? |
| 00:18.16 | ham5 | it wants to remove gcc 4.3 multilib, gcc multilib, lib32gcc1 libc6-i386 |
| 00:18.17 | adb | enouf: yw |
| 00:18.32 | enouf | efaistos: find out some info for yourself, since you seem to not be able to answer my questions |
| 00:19.28 | enouf | efaistos: where did you find a noDDC option and which "Section" in xorg.conf does it go, Monitor? |
| 00:20.21 | efaistos | efaistos: I found it on the web because someone asked me too check for noDDC |
| 00:20.54 | adb | efaistos: paste your xorg.conf |
| 00:21.06 | efaistos | I put it in Device but just saw online that on this page thei put it in monitor too |
| 00:22.48 | enouf | Also - can someone explain why/how when running something like "get-edid | parse-edid" and i either append '| grep DDC' or '| myperlpastebinscript' neither seem to work correctly -- the grep does nothing but shorten the amount of output, and same for the pastebin |
| 00:22.53 | ksnp | i can do wget https sites, but when i try to run ddclient with ssl - which tries to do a post i think, i get the following error : SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET |
| 00:23.09 | ksnp | the website itself is fine, since if i try to do the link in windows https works |
| 00:23.18 | enouf | this happens this way for a few not-used-often utils, like grep-status, dpkg-query .. and some others, though i can' |
| 00:23.27 | ksnp | any suggestions ? |
| 00:23.35 | enouf | trecall correctly or exzactly which ones right now offhand |
| 00:24.29 | enouf | efaistos: the tools i mentioned are in the pkg "read-edid" |
| 00:25.12 | efaistos | yeah just installed it .. |
| 00:25.21 | enouf | goes off to drop a boa - bbiab ;-) |
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| 00:28.58 | efaistos | enouf: my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/d5729c98b |
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| 00:29.19 | susbwoy_ | Hi, slightly networking orientated but can someone tell me if there is a command included in debian that allows me to see all domains that youtube.com uses? I'm trying to tell squid not to worry about them. |
| 00:30.09 | sulphur | i have problem bluetooth toshiba p300 |
| 00:30.13 | sulphur | somebody help?? |
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| 00:31.21 | Shazzamy | so, just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to display native 1680x1050 res.? |
| 00:31.37 | Shazzamy | on debian 2.22.3 lenny |
| 00:32.04 | sulphur | bluetooth is internal device |
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| 00:32.11 | gh0st3r | i have a Debian 5 Lenny server here that has an integrated network card on the mobo, but its not showing up in ifconfig... ive set it up via a /etc/network/interfaces under eth0 but its still not working... ideas? |
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| 00:33.55 | efaistos | enouf: the get|parse stuff output http://pastebin.com/d68506ad9 |
| 00:34.07 | Shazzamy | grandr doesnt wok |
| 00:34.09 | Shazzamy | work* |
| 00:34.25 | Shazzamy | shows resolution only up to 800x600 @60hz |
| 00:34.57 | gh0st3r | easier question, i have no eth0 or eth1 but i have an eth2, how do i rename eth2 to eth0? |
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| 00:35.54 | adb | gh0st3r: edit cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 00:37.18 | gh0st3r | adb, thanks :) |
| 00:37.21 | Shazzamy | hola? |
| 00:37.51 | adb | Shazzamy: add in Section "Monitor" VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 in xorg.conf |
| 00:39.26 | Shazzamy | where's monitor? |
| 00:39.30 | enouf | somehow, i suspect it's the way parse-edid translates the get-edid info into human readable format |
| 00:39.31 | Shazzamy | oh nvm |
| 00:40.01 | Shazzamy | where's xorg.conf? |
| 00:40.04 | enouf | susbwoy_: there's an easy way, iinm .. unless you mean a long list of every possible server in the world :-p |
| 00:40.09 | ham5 | /etc/X11 |
| 00:40.34 | adb | Shazzamy: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 00:40.42 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 00:40.54 | adb | edit as root |
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| 00:42.26 | susbwoy_ | enouf: No no, just the servers i go through when i click on a video ;) I want squid to stop putting data in cache_dir when it doesn't even cache the videos :D |
| 00:42.49 | iluminator101 | how do i change my terminal ls folder to color permanently? |
| 00:42.51 | Shazzamy | adb" like this? |
| 00:42.55 | Shazzamy | Section "Monitor" |
| 00:42.55 | Shazzamy | Identifier"Configured Monitor" |
| 00:42.55 | Shazzamy | VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 |
| 00:42.55 | Shazzamy | EndSection |
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| 00:42.59 | enouf | i gotcha - but i think you're looking for more output than something like ~$ dig youtube.com can give you? |
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| 00:43.15 | adb | Shazzamy: yes |
| 00:43.16 | Shazzamy | what's tha paster bot? |
| 00:43.21 | Shazzamy | ok and save? |
| 00:43.26 | adb | Shazzamy: yes |
| 00:43.31 | enouf | Shazzamy: where's your Hor line? |
| 00:43.57 | simonrvn | there's no paster bot heere (anymore) |
| 00:43.57 | enouf | !paste |
| 00:43.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 00:43.57 | enouf | !paster |
| 00:43.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:43.57 | simonrvn | here* |
| 00:43.57 | enouf | oh .. just a little lag |
| 00:44.18 | enouf | you can also install and use pastebinit pkg |
| 00:44.33 | susbwoy_ | enouf: yeah, they are the name servers used, i want to know things like v15.cache.google.videos etc etc |
| 00:45.00 | enouf | susbwoy_: i'm not sure then .. sorry - might try ##networking? |
| 00:45.10 | susbwoy_ | enouf: cheers |
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| 00:45.56 | enouf | susbwoy_: heh dig v15.cache.google.videos |
| 00:46.14 | enouf | susbwoy_: then keep going till you get the same parent.route :-P |
| 00:46.29 | enouf | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 00:46.30 | enouf | a.root-servers.net. 4569 IN A 198.41.0.4 |
| 00:46.47 | iluminator101 | is alias ls='ls --color=auto ' is that permanent or...do i have change something on a file? |
| 00:47.14 | efaistos | iluminator101: in your .bashrc ? or .zshrc depending of your shell ;) |
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| 00:47.30 | enouf | yes, your ~/.bashrc |
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| 00:48.12 | iluminator101 | so i add alias ls='ls --color=auto ' ~/.bashrc correct? |
| 00:48.18 | enouf | gh0st3r: is the module loading? and is it enabled in the BIOS? |
| 00:48.31 | efaistos | iluminator101: yes ... |
| 00:48.56 | Shazzamy | where the f*** is the sudoers file |
| 00:49.03 | enouf | iluminator101: then in same shell session do ". ~/.bashrc" |
| 00:49.11 | Shazzamy | im mad right now |
| 00:49.13 | efaistos | Shazzamy: in /etc ? |
| 00:49.14 | enouf | in /etc |
| 00:49.18 | enouf | !sudoers |
| 00:49.18 | dpkg | You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'. See also <visudo>. |
| 00:49.30 | enouf | !tell Shazzamy -about search |
| 00:49.38 | Shazzamy | thanks |
| 00:49.45 | Shazzamy | i knwo how to search |
| 00:50.44 | enouf | iluminator101: alternatively, logout/login and your ~/.bashrc will be re-read/re-sourced do 'help source' in your shell, (and 'alias' and you shall see all current aliases |
| 00:50.58 | efaistos | iluminator101: or just open a new shell ;) |
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| 00:51.14 | enouf | efaistos: that doesn't work ... hrm |
| 00:51.35 | iluminator101 | alias ls='ls --color=auto '; there should be ; at the end of the line right or |
| 00:51.48 | enouf | efaistos: sorry ,... i guess i'm thinking of taking affect within already open shells/sessions |
| 00:51.49 | efaistos | of course it does if i open a new term ... |
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| 00:52.11 | enouf | you're correct efaistos , my bad |
| 00:52.14 | efaistos | ;) |
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| 00:52.26 | enouf | efaistos: so where are we? concerning your plasma |
| 00:52.34 | efaistos | enouf: the get|parse stuff output http://pastebin.com/d68506ad9 |
| 00:52.41 | efaistos | enouf: my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/d5729c98b |
| 00:52.41 | iluminator101 | thanks guys |
| 00:52.45 | efaistos | welcome ;) |
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| 00:54.46 | Shazzamy | ok good |
| 00:55.06 | Shazzamy | no how do i install firefox |
| 00:55.17 | ham5 | its called iceweasel |
| 00:55.31 | Shazzamy | lol |
| 00:55.33 | Shazzamy | why? |
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| 00:55.40 | ham5 | read up their are posts |
| 00:55.42 | elchavodelocho | hi guys, I'd like to install some servers (I will call server2 and server3) based on that I have (server1), the same packages, I got the /var/cache/apt/archives of server1, but how can I install only these packages in the other 2 server? I don't want to install any other package |
| 00:55.45 | susbwoy_ | enouf: the v15.cache.google.videos was an example. however v24.lscache6.googlevideo.com is one path i know of. played around with dig and came across dns-admin.google.com and googlevideo.com |
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| 00:56.05 | \amethyst | Shazzamy: if you search for iceweasel on wikipedia you'll get a pretty unbiased answer |
| 00:56.09 | susbwoy_ | enouf: I wonder if this is all I need to deny. thanks for your help |
| 00:56.10 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 00:56.53 | mesa_booger | elchavodelocho: you want to clone the packages. cool. now i have a clone script just for that, based on the "comm -13" command. but apparently aptitude has a clone option |
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| 00:57.04 | enouf | welp -- all i can find concerning X and related DDC/VBE/EDID monitor info is one line/section in man xorg.conf ... i could've swore i've seen a "UseNoEDID" option other places or similar - maybe in other video drive man pages |
| 00:57.10 | enouf | driver* |
| 00:58.02 | enouf | Shazzamy: that was my goal - include/climb to the least common denominator domain - or similar -- good job |
| 00:58.14 | enouf | sorry, i mean susbwoy_ not Shazzamy |
| 00:58.21 | Shazzamy | lol its ok |
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| 00:58.36 | efaistos | enouf: whats that UseNoEDID option ? |
| 00:58.51 | mesa_booger | elchavodelocho: clearly you need a sorted list of all installed packages. and provided you don't do any stupidities like not purging packages entirely, dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}', will get you that |
| 00:59.24 | enouf | efaistos: i'm looking about for info concerning it .. and having trouble finding it |
| 00:59.40 | Shazzamy | that xorg.conf change by adb? |
| 00:59.47 | jaybee | mdadm keeps saying the devices I'm trying to add are busy... but none are mounted. is there a way to fix this? |
| 00:59.58 | Shazzamy | whats it supposed to do? |
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| 01:00.17 | efaistos | jaybee: lsof the device ? |
| 01:00.30 | enouf | Shazzamy: see wiki.x.org also and even wiki.debian.org for some info and examples |
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| 01:00.36 | adb | Shazzamy: that may add 1024x768 |
| 01:00.44 | Shazzamy | to grandr? |
| 01:00.49 | adb | too |
| 01:00.52 | stew | ksnp: have you tried what you are doing with http instead of https on the same port? |
| 01:00.53 | iluminator101 | how do you findout if someone is listening in on you on your network? |
| 01:00.54 | Shazzamy | if so, nope then |
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| 01:01.12 | enouf | jaybee: perhaps their partitions/disks are in use? |
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| 01:01.28 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: ethernet or wireless ? |
| 01:01.30 | lulzyboy | how do i know what php.ini is in use? |
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| 01:01.34 | iluminator101 | ethernet |
| 01:01.42 | jaybee | enouf they aren't, but I found the problem |
| 01:02.05 | efaistos | jaybee: lsof /dev/xxxx |
| 01:02.08 | \amethyst | lulzyboy: php --ini but you have to make sure you're running the correct php |
| 01:02.09 | jaybee | mdadm borks a bit when you forget to give it a name and instead it gets the name of the first device |
| 01:02.12 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: rj45 straight to a router ? |
| 01:02.14 | enouf | jaybee: IOW. not necessarily any virtual mdadm device, but the block devices used for the /dev/mdX, or even /device/mapper if LVM is on top |
| 01:02.39 | adb | Shazzamy: paste xrandr . not here ;) |
| 01:02.48 | \amethyst | lulzyboy: e.g. that would be /etc/php5/cli but libapache2-mod-php5 uses /etc/php5/apache2 |
| 01:02.56 | Shazzamy | ..?' |
| 01:02.57 | enouf | jaybee: seen /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* ? 'zless filename.gz'. see man mdadm* |
| 01:03.02 | iluminator101 | mesa:yes sometime i find events on firestarter some random port and ssdp |
| 01:03.06 | lulzyboy | server:/var/www/virtual/iandoh.uk.to# php --ini |
| 01:03.06 | lulzyboy | PHP Warning: Module 'ffmpeg' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 01:03.06 | lulzyboy | Configuration File (php.ini) Path: /etc/php5/cli |
| 01:03.08 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger: In the list generated to dselect, have the linux-image-2.6.26-1, but before that a I upgrade he say that will install 26.6.26-2 |
| 01:03.19 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger: I was using the apt-get dselect-upgrade, but the system was upgrading too much packages, for example, I don't like to upgrade to the last kernel... |
| 01:03.23 | jaybee | enouf I did, that is not telling me how to remove this stupid array though |
| 01:03.37 | adb | Shazzamy: xrandr is a command |
| 01:03.40 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: normally they can only listen in if they are on the same bit of cable |
| 01:03.58 | Shazzamy | adb- http://pastebin.com/d3cb1d908 |
| 01:04.01 | Shazzamy | ya nvm |
| 01:04.09 | enouf | iluminator101: his nick is mesa_booger not mesa, use tab-completion ;-) |
| 01:04.18 | adb | Shazzamy: ok |
| 01:04.21 | mesa_booger | elchavodelocho: yeah the kernels are always a pita. they have different names, as well as versions |
| 01:04.34 | jaybee | ah it's stop... hmm. |
| 01:04.35 | efaistos | enouf: he'll reply ... tab-what ? :) |
| 01:04.43 | susbwoy_ | enouf: looks like youtube videos all come come from a parent of .googlevideo.com. Squid isn't "trying" to cache them anymore. Thanks alot man. dig ftw |
| 01:04.44 | enouf | iluminator101: also - netcat might help - as well as something like fail2ban |
| 01:04.52 | Shazzamy | adb: my max is 1680x1050 |
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| 01:05.04 | adb | Shazzamy: ok |
| 01:05.12 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger, do you think that dselect is the best choice? |
| 01:05.20 | enouf | efaistos: many times, in fast moving channels it's tough to follow things when one's nick isn't highlighted |
| 01:05.50 | enouf | Shazzamy: do you want/need a higher resolution in console? |
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| 01:06.02 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: nothing to worry about (ahem !). normally it's because you have been file-sharing, and people are still trying to connect thru after you have finished |
| 01:06.09 | Shazzamy | yes |
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| 01:06.19 | enouf | elchavodelocho: look at man apt-get and see the dselect-upgrade option? |
| 01:06.21 | efaistos | anyone tried https://launchpad.net/entertainer ? |
| 01:06.33 | enouf | oh .. duih |
| 01:06.40 | enouf | apologies elchavodelocho |
| 01:06.47 | mesa_booger | elchavodelocho: i would actually physically clone the drives if possible, that way everything should be in sync |
| 01:06.49 | lulzyboy | does anyone here use ispcp? |
| 01:07.12 | Shazzamy | what is it? |
| 01:07.16 | iluminator101 | i cant turn autoneg off when i do ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 01:07.20 | enouf | elchavodelocho: when you say "too much/many" perhaps you're pulling in all the Recommends: ewhich is enabled via default |
| 01:07.42 | mesa_booger | elchavodelocho: cos you need a working system before you can run any commands. which invariably means unwanted packages |
| 01:07.45 | lulzyboy | ive edited every single php.ini on my system, yet i still get Warning: phpinfo() has been disabled for security reasons |
| 01:07.52 | lulzyboy | its not disabled anywhere |
| 01:07.56 | enouf | elchavodelocho: you can easily disable that - on the CLI or in /etc/apt/apt.conf{.d/NN-filename} |
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| 01:08.20 | enouf | elchavodelocho: you can also install using "priority" levels |
| 01:08.26 | adb | Shazzamy: add this to xorg.conf ,too > http://pastebin.com/d301b7d8f |
| 01:08.43 | Shazzamy | ok |
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| 01:08.50 | enouf | elchavodelocho: there are 7 IIRC, what's absolutely necessary are ~required and ~important , IINM |
| 01:09.00 | adb | Shazzamy: have you restart X ? |
| 01:09.08 | enouf | but ~standard is also very useful and minimal |
| 01:09.09 | Shazzamy | no |
| 01:09.11 | Shazzamy | hwo? |
| 01:09.17 | adb | Shazzamy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:09.30 | Shazzamy | oh |
| 01:09.31 | adb | if gnome |
| 01:09.39 | Shazzamy | ya gnome |
| 01:09.42 | adb | ok |
| 01:09.48 | enouf | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 01:09.58 | mesa_booger | elchavodelocho: take a look at this. you might be able to tweak it to your own situation - http://nopaste.com/p/a3GnR2LKgb |
| 01:10.09 | adb | Shazzamy: paste xrandr . not here ;) |
| 01:10.16 | enouf | heh |
| 01:10.29 | Shazzamy | ok after |
| 01:10.31 | Shazzamy | i retsart |
| 01:10.35 | Shazzamy | restart* |
| 01:10.40 | adb | no |
| 01:10.46 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger, enouf, in fact, I have a 16 servers, these servers never update, but to some reason one of that had update, all servers started to have a stange comportament, bugs, etc, and the only one that works fine is the updated server |
| 01:10.47 | Shazzamy | why? |
| 01:10.51 | iluminator101 | how do i turn autoneg and link off in eth0? |
| 01:10.55 | adb | install irssi first |
| 01:11.02 | Shazzamy | me? |
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| 01:11.06 | Shazzamy | why? |
| 01:11.08 | enouf | elchavodelocho: also, not sure how the apt-get dselect-upgrade option works pertaining to using something apt-get autoclean prior |
| 01:11.26 | Shazzamy | ok, i guess. |
| 01:11.33 | enouf | which should remove most unused, no longer avail .debs from your cache/archives |
| 01:11.34 | magyar | hi, is there a kbuild for linux-image-2.6.30 or kbuilds a obsolete? |
| 01:11.38 | Shazzamy | i tried it once, and i couldn't get ti working |
| 01:11.47 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger, enouf, I'd like to keep theses server equal to the server that works |
| 01:11.56 | Shazzamy | seems like a hassle to type join for all servers and shit |
| 01:11.58 | adb | Shazzamy: ok |
| 01:12.01 | Shazzamy | i like it all manaual |
| 01:12.06 | Shazzamy | auto*** |
| 01:12.14 | Shazzamy | like what im using |
| 01:12.19 | Shazzamy | but what im using sucks |
| 01:12.26 | Shazzamy | i also think debian sucks ass right now |
| 01:12.41 | enouf | elchavodelocho: oh wait - you're worried about 2.6.26-1 vs 2.6.26-2 only? |
| 01:12.46 | mesa_booger | magyar: it isn't available yet afaik. but linux-kbuild is still going strong |
| 01:12.52 | enouf | elchavodelocho: seen the changelog? |
| 01:12.58 | Shazzamy | but do you want me to install irssi right now? |
| 01:13.03 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger, enouf, I use Ubuntu and one time I do something almost equal to that, I'd like to use the same strategy |
| 01:13.06 | enouf | i think there was a Security update between the two |
| 01:13.12 | magyar | mesa_booger: what isn't available? |
| 01:13.14 | enouf | what? |
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| 01:13.36 | mesa_booger | magyar: the 2.6.30 version |
| 01:13.39 | enouf | magyar: /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 01:13.44 | elchavodelocho | enouf, in fact, I comparied some packages, the only different (until now) is that |
| 01:13.44 | Shazzamy | adb |
| 01:13.49 | adb | y |
| 01:13.50 | enouf | magyar: /msg dpkg kernel trunk (whichever) |
| 01:13.57 | magyar | mesa_booger: 2.6.30 is in sid for a week |
| 01:13.58 | enouf | follow the URLs, read |
| 01:14.05 | enouf | about linux-kbuild- |
| 01:14.05 | Shazzamy | you said to |
| 01:14.31 | enouf | magyar: so what - you might need to build it yourself - simple instructs are there |
| 01:14.33 | adb | Shazzamy: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:14.34 | elchavodelocho | enouf, because the other servers have the kernel 2.6.18-5 |
| 01:14.55 | enouf | elchavodelocho: if ubuntu is involved i have nothing more to say |
| 01:15.15 | elchavodelocho | enouf, hehe why? |
| 01:15.21 | mesa_booger | magyar: er no. sid is still 2.6.29. you are talking about deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel ? |
| 01:15.53 | Shazzamy | what?? |
| 01:16.00 | Shazzamy | adb what are you talking about |
| 01:16.01 | Shazzamy | ? |
| 01:16.19 | magyar | mesa_booger: hmm, why do i see 2.6.30? |
| 01:16.43 | adb | Shazzamy: restart gdm , forget irssi |
| 01:16.49 | enouf | FWIW -- 21:07 <enouf> kernel trunk is <reply> see trunk kernel |
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| 01:16.59 | enouf | now both point to the same |
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| 01:17.01 | magyar | deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free << is the only repo i have |
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| 01:17.21 | enouf | elchavodelocho: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 01:17.36 | Shazzamy | gadb gdm... wtf!? |
| 01:17.43 | Shazzamy | adb whats gdm |
| 01:17.45 | adb | Shazzamy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:17.49 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 01:17.59 | craigevil | linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 is in Sid |
| 01:18.01 | enouf | judd: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:18.01 | judd | enouf: Error: "linux-image-2.6-686" is not a valid command. |
| 01:18.02 | elchavodelocho | enouf, I did this one time |
| 01:18.07 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:18.07 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+19 |
| 01:18.14 | enouf | .29 |
| 01:18.20 | Shazzamy | brb |
| 01:18.36 | enouf | unless ,.. hrm .. bot is not updating? |
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| 01:18.43 | adb | yes |
| 01:18.54 | mesa_booger | magyar: hey you're right ! it has just appeared in my unstable repos. maybe the uk is lagging somewhat :( |
| 01:18.57 | enouf | themill: fix the bot please ;-) |
| 01:18.58 | magyar | craigevil: where can i get a kbuild for it |
| 01:19.00 | magyar | ? |
| 01:19.07 | enouf | magyar: i told you where |
| 01:19.11 | enouf | and how |
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| 01:19.43 | mesa_booger | magyar: i was waiting for 2.6.29 version of nvidia-kernel and checked almost hourly for the last few days. now we are 2.6.30. what a crock ! |
| 01:19.56 | magyar | enouf: thanks, i'll give it a go |
| 01:20.10 | enouf | elchavodelocho: i don't know anything about *buntu, nor do we support any of them here .. sorry |
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| 01:20.34 | Shazzamy | ok |
| 01:20.35 | magyar | mesa_booger: from what i gather 2.6.30 has better 3d support for AMD chips |
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| 01:20.44 | adb | enouf: tell him : install debian ! |
| 01:20.51 | Shazzamy | i did that gdm restart in non-root terminal; |
| 01:20.55 | enouf | adb: i hate dogma :-p |
| 01:20.58 | Shazzamy | and the computer went to just terminal |
| 01:21.05 | adb | :-p |
| 01:21.12 | Shazzamy | so then i typed sudo ... blah blah blah gdm restart |
| 01:21.22 | Shazzamy | and now |
| 01:21.23 | Shazzamy | im bakc |
| 01:21.27 | Shazzamy | no what? |
| 01:21.35 | mesa_booger | magyar: indeed. it should all be working beatifully with kms etc. time i switched my x1650 back in |
| 01:21.52 | enouf | adb: i'd prefer to let the naivè wallow in their own ignorance :-p |
| 01:22.01 | adb | :-p |
| 01:22.26 | enouf | i know i added the wrong diacritic to the wrong character .. or did i? :-P |
| 01:22.32 | magyar | mesa_booger: 2.6.30 provides full 3d for "radeon-hd" kernel module |
| 01:22.50 | Shazzamy_ | im still here you know enouf and adb |
| 01:23.27 | adb | paste xorg.conf than |
| 01:23.29 | magyar | how can i probe mbr's and populate grub? |
| 01:23.40 | elchavodelocho | enouf, right, I told because I thinked that this information was valuable, but the server is Debian 4.0 and Debian Lenny |
| 01:23.47 | adb | Shazzamy_: and xrandr |
| 01:24.04 | magyar | used to be "osprobe" i belive |
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| 01:24.16 | elchavodelocho | enouf, the updated is Lenny (sorry my english, is bad!) |
| 01:24.16 | Shazzamy_ | ok |
| 01:24.41 | enouf | Shazzamy_: i'm sorry = what's your exact issue? |
| 01:24.53 | adb | 800x600 |
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| 01:25.11 | adb | want ~1600x1200 |
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| 01:25.20 | enouf | elchavodelocho: all i can offer then, without more specifics is /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:25.29 | Akuw | i have problems with cron |
| 01:25.36 | enouf | Shazzamy_: in X? |
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| 01:25.46 | Akuw | i use crontab -e and create a job |
| 01:25.52 | Akuw | but the job never begin |
| 01:26.00 | elchavodelocho | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.02 | enouf | Shazzamy_: pastebin what lspci -nnk |
| 01:26.05 | enouf | says |
| 01:26.18 | enouf | Shazzamy_: dpes your monitor support it? |
| 01:26.43 | iluminator101 | How do i turn eth0 auto neg off |
| 01:26.46 | TheSarge | This is nuts im on irc on my itouch |
| 01:26.59 | magyar | os-prober |
| 01:27.02 | Shazzamy_ | adb -> http://pastebin.com/d3e9dea79 http://pastebin.com/d710a7420 |
| 01:27.08 | enouf | Akuw: make sure you have an EOF character .. and no blank \n at the top of file .. there was a bug about that last issue |
| 01:27.09 | iluminator101 | TheSarge:talk about technology |
| 01:27.11 | elchavodelocho | mesa_booger, enouf, thanks for the help! |
| 01:27.14 | enouf | erm .. or former one |
| 01:27.14 | Shazzamy_ | enouf yes my monitor does support it |
| 01:27.35 | TheSarge | Technology is coming a long ways |
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| 01:27.57 | enouf | elchavodelocho: np -- so long as you're talking about Debian installations feel free to ask here ;-) |
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| 01:28.21 | TheSarge | Now I just need to get debian running on it |
| 01:28.21 | enouf | iluminator101: why? |
| 01:28.34 | Shazzamy_ | enouf: there's the command thigny -> http://pastebin.com/d438dfbdc |
| 01:29.18 | enouf | judd: pciid 10de:0241 |
| 01:29.19 | judd | enouf: [10de:0241] is 'C51 [GeForce 6150 LE]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0241 |
| 01:29.31 | enouf | yikes |
| 01:29.36 | iluminator101 | enouf:b/z my jackass brother is hogging my bandwidth |
| 01:29.47 | Shazzamy_ | i have a GeForce 6150 also |
| 01:30.05 | enouf | iluminator101: then setup some sort of load-balancing system or proxy his ass |
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| 01:30.17 | enouf | also? |
| 01:30.20 | Akuw | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 5301: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 01:30.32 | Akuw | i used ---> cron start |
| 01:31.13 | enouf | Akuw: pgrep crond |
| 01:31.26 | enouf | Akuw: pgrep cron |
| 01:31.29 | enouf | sorry |
| 01:31.41 | magyar | is there a software that can detect chain-loading? |
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| 01:31.55 | enouf | magyar: you mean bootloader-wise? |
| 01:32.00 | Akuw | 5337 |
| 01:32.08 | enouf | Akuw: ok, so it's running |
| 01:32.10 | Shazzamy_ | adb" -->?? |
| 01:32.50 | adb | Shazzamy_: judd: pciid 10de:0241 |
| 01:33.05 | Akuw | i use crontab -e to create one |
| 01:33.24 | enouf | Akuw: right .. are you providing full PATH to binary? |
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| 01:33.35 | enouf | Akuw: pastebin crontab -l |
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| 01:33.55 | Akuw | * * * * * t101 /home/t101/cronsamples/test.sh |
| 01:34.00 | efaistos | Akuw: or man crontab :) |
| 01:34.01 | iluminator101 | So i have two different browser how enable all addons from one browser to another without having install each of them one by one? |
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| 01:34.28 | enouf | man 5 crontab |
| 01:34.29 | Akuw | i read man |
| 01:34.32 | Shazzamy_ | pciid where? |
| 01:34.36 | magyar | enouf: i have a windows install on one of my drives, I need to probe and write a chain into grub menu.lst |
| 01:34.37 | Akuw | but there is a problem |
| 01:34.59 | efaistos | Akuw: which one ? |
| 01:35.02 | adb | Shazzamy_:do judd: pciid 10de:0241 |
| 01:35.06 | TheSarge | Let's make a debian iPhone port! |
| 01:35.35 | efaistos | TheSarge: we'll follow as soon as you start it :) |
| 01:35.39 | Shazzamy_ | so " judd: pciid 10de:0241" ? |
| 01:35.45 | nsadmin | Shazzamy_: or /msg judd pciid 10de:0241 |
| 01:36.01 | Shazzamy_ | ohhh in here?! |
| 01:36.04 | TheSarge | Lol I can do the userland |
| 01:36.04 | nsadmin | judd: versions coreutils |
| 01:36.06 | judd | nsadmin: coreutils -- etch: 5.97-5.3 lenny: 6.10-6 squeeze: 7.3-1 sid: 7.4-2 |
| 01:36.29 | TheSarge | But the kernel and drivers lol I dunno |
| 01:36.37 | Akuw | the job never start |
| 01:36.41 | enouf | magyar: i see .. so that's cake |
| 01:36.47 | Akuw | the script never start |
| 01:37.06 | enouf | magyar: /boot/grub/menu.lst even has a commented example section |
| 01:37.08 | Akuw | the script have touch `date '+%h%m%s'` |
| 01:37.14 | enouf | use rootnoverify option , man grub |
| 01:37.18 | efaistos | Akuw: permission ? |
| 01:37.19 | nsadmin | you really want it running every minute of every day?? |
| 01:37.35 | magyar | enouf: abrotman told me long time ago for etch a program that used to auto do it |
| 01:37.37 | Akuw | i am root now |
| 01:37.48 | enouf | magyar: update-grub perhaps |
| 01:37.50 | enouf | man it |
| 01:38.00 | magyar | naah |
| 01:38.16 | magyar | it's almost like "os-prober" but not sure |
| 01:38.21 | enouf | no wai |
| 01:38.22 | efaistos | Akuw: is the file executable ? |
| 01:38.40 | enouf | man update-grub |
| 01:38.43 | Akuw | yeah |
| 01:38.57 | Akuw | i can run it using ./test.sh |
| 01:39.12 | enouf | magyar: we are talking about grub1, yes? |
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| 01:39.18 | magyar | yeap |
| 01:39.32 | efaistos | Akuw: space between * you need |
| 01:39.48 | nsadmin | yoda you sound like :) |
| 01:39.48 | enouf | Akuw: then perhaps you need to define the ENV, or PATH in the header .. cron jobs run as root |
| 01:39.53 | magyar | enouf: os-prober displays the mbr right, but there is no man pages for it |
| 01:39.58 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 01:40.27 | efaistos | Akuw: whats that t101 ? |
| 01:40.59 | enouf | magyar: is the windows install NOT appearing in menu;lst or just not booting? |
| 01:41.14 | efaistos | it should be 30 23 * * * ~/path/to/test.sh ##execution every day at 23.30 |
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| 01:41.24 | tlyu | BTS practices question -- is it generally acceptable for a non-maintainer to attach a patch to a bug log in the form of output from debdiff from having created a local version of a source package that fixes the bug? |
| 01:41.50 | enouf | magyar: xxd -l 512 /dev/hda wiull display the MBR ;-) |
| 01:42.17 | nsadmin | tlyu: should people try to help? YES. |
| 01:42.39 | enouf | magyar: as would xxd (or hexdump) /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 01:42.47 | magyar | enouf: it used to, then i was fucking around with grub2 and lost it |
| 01:43.43 | efaistos | Akuw: any luck ? |
| 01:44.08 | Shazzamy_ | i thought u meant in terminal |
| 01:44.08 | Shazzamy_ | judd: pciid 10de:0241 |
| 01:44.10 | judd | Shazzamy_: [10de:0241] is 'C51 [GeForce 6150 LE]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0241 |
| 01:44.30 | enouf | hrm, actually ~$ xxd /boot/grub/stage1 and ~$ xxd -l 512 /dev/hda are different, the former might be a partition boot sectot |
| 01:44.30 | enouf | sector |
| 01:44.57 | enouf | magyar: so reinstall grub, or fix your grub2 |
| 01:45.23 | magyar | enouf: grub2 doesnt do multi os |
| 01:45.35 | enouf | sure it does |
| 01:45.35 | magyar | and its a pite |
| 01:45.37 | magyar | pita |
| 01:45.39 | enouf | don't be silly |
| 01:45.42 | tlyu | nsadmin: mostly i'm still quite unfamiliar with the intricacies of Debian package maintenance (i'm not a Debian developer) and may have made some mistakes. (though the actual patch to the upstream code is fairly obviously included) |
| 01:46.01 | enouf | grub.conf |
| 01:46.03 | enouf | done |
| 01:46.13 | nsadmin | so document the crap out of what you're doing |
| 01:46.32 | magyar | enouf: i messed around with it, but give up, i couldn't set frame buffer during boot etc |
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| 01:46.49 | enouf | wait for abrotman to return and help or something - it's as simple as this -- or use the 'map' option ... i wish you would answer my questions |
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| 01:47.24 | magyar | what questions? |
| 01:47.33 | SuperMiguel | how can i mount an ntfs partition? |
| 01:47.33 | magyar | di i mis anything? |
| 01:48.01 | nsadmin | magyar: when you originally had grub1 working, where was stage1 and where was stage2? |
| 01:48.05 | enouf | magyar: sorry, as simple as http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m5839b16e without the # |
| 01:48.20 | adb | SuperMiguel: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 01:48.25 | smacnay | Where is the deb multimedia irc channel? |
| 01:48.26 | enouf | magyar: NOTE; in grub1 the AUTOMAGIC field needs those leading # |
| 01:48.31 | enouf | do NOT remove them |
| 01:48.59 | tlyu | nsadmin: sure. if you get a chance, would you please look at the patch i submitted here to tell me if i am doing the packaging pieces correctly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421187 |
| 01:49.13 | Akuw | nothing |
| 01:49.22 | Akuw | t101 is Terminator |
| 01:49.24 | Akuw | heheheh |
| 01:49.27 | Akuw | is my user |
| 01:49.36 | enouf | but windows should never be listed within the ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST and ## ## End Default Options ## |
| 01:50.29 | Akuw | enouf: can you help? |
| 01:50.39 | enouf | Akuw: i doubt it |
| 01:50.48 | enouf | i mentioned all i know about it already |
| 01:51.02 | magyar | enouf: i got that, i just appended the chain-load to the end of menu.lst |
| 01:51.05 | enouf | just stop being root - and try as a username |
| 01:51.15 | nsadmin | does grub2 have a stage1/stage2? |
| 01:51.18 | enouf | it's chainload, not chain-load |
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| 01:51.32 | magyar | true |
| 01:51.39 | enouf | er "chainloader" |
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| 01:51.56 | magyar | -_- |
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| 01:52.07 | enouf | grub-legacy has a nice HTML doc .. also on gnu.org |
| 01:52.12 | nsadmin | and does grub2 have stage1.5s? |
| 01:52.24 | Akuw | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 5523: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 01:52.36 | magyar | grub2 is a different beast all together |
| 01:52.41 | enouf | rm that file --- perhaps |
| 01:52.44 | magyar | nsadmin: ^ |
| 01:53.01 | nsadmin | I built it once, but never installed it |
| 01:53.02 | enouf | Akuw: or .. is /var mounted ro? |
| 01:53.15 | enouf | are you using a *buntu? |
| 01:53.18 | magyar | nsadmin: nothing in common with grub |
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| 01:53.31 | nsadmin | so how is it installed? |
| 01:53.43 | magyar | aot-get install grub22 |
| 01:53.44 | SuperMiguel | how do i get read permision on a ntfs? like on the whole drive? |
| 01:53.55 | magyar | apt-get not aot-get |
| 01:53.57 | nsadmin | that's not what I mean :P |
| 01:54.07 | magyar | grr, my typing sucks |
| 01:54.19 | n3kl | SuperMiguel: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 01:54.21 | nsadmin | how do you get it on the partition? |
| 01:54.22 | enouf | Akuw: does cat /var/run/crond.pid match pgrep cron ? |
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| 01:54.38 | magyar | nsadmin: grub2-config |
| 01:54.42 | SuperMiguel | n3kl, um? |
| 01:54.42 | magyar | some like that |
| 01:54.47 | enouf | n3kl: yo-yo ma ;-) |
| 01:54.59 | SuperMiguel | !tell SuperMiguel about dpkg ntfs |
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| 01:55.08 | SuperMiguel | !tell SuperMiguel about ntfs |
| 01:55.19 | magyar | nsadmin: there is a shitload of commands with it |
| 01:56.00 | adb | SuperMiguel: simply do /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 01:56.05 | magyar | nsadmin: when there will be good documentation it'll be a superb loader |
| 01:56.18 | n3kl | enouf: what up! |
| 01:56.25 | enouf | magyar: i know grub2 requires some insmod perhaps, but /etc/grub*/* and /etc/default/grub* are important as well |
| 01:56.41 | n3kl | SuperMiguel: yeah, that too |
| 01:56.42 | enouf | magyar: seen grub.enbug.org? |
| 01:56.44 | magyar | enouf: yeap, know that |
| 01:56.49 | enouf | ok |
| 01:56.55 | nsadmin | well I know that with grub1, the grub shell is too large to fit in a sector (512 bytes) so they had to split it into two parts |
| 01:57.03 | magyar | enouf: never been to grub.enbug.org |
| 01:57.22 | enouf | nsadmin: that's true .. it's spread across the 1st 63 sectors, IINM |
| 01:57.37 | magyar | grub wiki, yes i read it |
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| 01:58.11 | Akuw | anouf yes |
| 01:58.27 | Akuw | enouf, /var/run/crond.pid match pgrep cron match |
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| 01:58.39 | enouf | of each partition even - as each of those, have their own bootsector, IINM |
| 01:58.46 | magyar | nsadmin: not sure if grub2 has a shell |
| 01:58.54 | enouf | Akuw: ok .. i don't know then |
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| 01:59.27 | nsadmin | enouf: right... that;s one way to fly; you could either put a stage2 in sects 1-63 or put a stage1.5 there whose purpose is to load stage2 as a file by name |
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| 01:59.30 | magyar | grub is a command you can execute from bash |
| 01:59.36 | enouf | Akuw: does cat /proc/mounts show /var as ro? or any part of /var? |
| 01:59.57 | enouf | magyar: that's not the grub shell |
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| 02:00.27 | magyar | enouf: what is it? |
| 02:00.48 | LinuxNIT | i have a fresh install of lenny amd64 and every time i log in i get a message that says kernel failure. What is this and how do i stop it? |
| 02:00.54 | Akuw | /dev/sda6 /var ext3 rw,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 02:01.06 | enouf | magyar: grub2 likely also has a shell, however all the 'images' (stages) have been exploded into modules, in a sense |
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| 02:01.33 | enouf | magyar: no idea - i've build grub2 a long time ago, and have it on floppy |
| 02:01.50 | enouf | i was referring to grub1 |
| 02:03.30 | enouf | magyar: hrm .. never needed to use the grub shell from within bash -- though i see many try it as a rescueing option when booting a livecd which is just _wrong_ |
| 02:03.59 | enouf | magyar: i always hit the grub shell from the menu when booting - if needed |
| 02:04.02 | magyar | never the less it's there |
| 02:04.12 | enouf | i see it now |
| 02:04.24 | mesa_booger | i do e for edit at the grub screen all the time |
| 02:04.40 | Akuw | anybody here who knows cron? |
| 02:04.58 | magyar | enouf: i use it to populate mbr's with softraid disks |
| 02:05.03 | enouf | magyar: but, X is now running, i'm in runlevel 2, so i doubt my changes would have any effect if i reboot ;-) |
| 02:05.14 | enouf | yikes |
| 02:05.26 | magyar | works |
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| 02:05.30 | enouf | Akuw: i don't .. obviously |
| 02:05.59 | enouf | magyar: well, i too am always (almost always) willing to learn ;-) |
| 02:06.19 | mesa_booger | in redhat and similar, they have runlevel 5 for X, and it needs its own entry in inittab for xdm/kdm/gdm whatever |
| 02:06.25 | magyar | it makes my life easier |
| 02:06.30 | magyar | very lazy |
| 02:06.43 | enouf | mesa_booger: why not just edit menu.lst -- that is; if you mean you run the grub shell wihthin an xterm |
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| 02:07.05 | enouf | mesa_booger: nobody is as lazy as i am |
| 02:07.11 | enouf | er magyar |
| 02:07.18 | mesa_booger | haha |
| 02:07.28 | mesa_booger | he was too lazy to even type his own name :) |
| 02:07.30 | enouf | why do you think you hear me whining about BLOATware all the time :-P |
| 02:07.38 | enouf | haha |
| 02:07.45 | Akuw | the line in crontab is --_> * * * * * root /home/t101/cronsamples/test.sh |
| 02:07.50 | Akuw | is ok right? |
| 02:08.10 | Akuw | my script touch `date '+%h%m%s'` |
| 02:08.48 | nsadmin | just a moment |
| 02:08.53 | enouf | 'Personal Computers' are not supposed to suck ass so bad |
| 02:08.59 | nsadmin | why don't you do this: |
| 02:09.11 | enouf | Akuw: i asked you to try as username |
| 02:09.19 | nsadmin | the test script should write a file in a KNOWN location... like your home dir |
| 02:09.19 | Akuw | ok |
| 02:09.20 | Akuw | wait |
| 02:09.46 | enouf | Akuw: if you are root, you might need/want to add that to /etc/cron.*/ files .. i'm not sure |
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| 02:10.11 | mesa_booger | LinuxNIT: are you sure that's all it says ? any other clues or signs ? |
| 02:10.18 | nsadmin | howbout you do this instead: date '+%h%m%s' > /root/cron-test.txt |
| 02:10.33 | nsadmin | or: |
| 02:10.35 | enouf | your /home is likely wrong .. use $HOME anyway .. Root's home is in /root/ |
| 02:10.39 | nsadmin | mkdir /root/cron-test |
| 02:10.43 | LinuxNIT | mesa_booger, it asks me if it want to report it |
| 02:10.48 | nsadmin | (not in the script) |
| 02:10.50 | enouf | Akuw: see that? |
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| 02:10.55 | Akuw | ok |
| 02:11.04 | mesa_booger | LinuxNIT: and do you ? |
| 02:11.07 | mesa_booger | :) |
| 02:11.09 | LinuxNIT | i did the last time |
| 02:11.09 | nsadmin | and then, your script should do: |
| 02:11.17 | Mikaze | Don't forget to chmod +x the file. |
| 02:11.27 | pab_ | Hello everyone. I want to reinstall my laptop with debian testing. How good is the installer now to pick up Broadcom PRO/Wireless 3945ABG automagically? |
| 02:11.44 | Akuw | ow, ow |
| 02:11.55 | mesa_booger | LinuxNIT: so where in the boot sequence does it all go pear-shaped ? do you get as far as a login prompt ? |
| 02:11.56 | nsadmin | touch "/root/cron-test/$(date '+%h%m%s')" |
| 02:12.11 | nsadmin | if you do it that way then you just look in that dir |
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| 02:12.56 | nsadmin | the bottom line: how do you know what dir cron is in? probably you don't... and so absolute pathnames are good so you know where things are |
| 02:12.58 | LinuxNIT | mesa_booger, all pear-shaped? I get the message when i log into gnome... its a pop-up |
| 02:13.03 | karlpinc | (I tend to prefer: touch /var/tmp/myprog.$$) |
| 02:13.15 | enouf | Akuw: you have also a big space or \t between your 2nd * and 3rd * ..not sure that matters |
| 02:13.25 | nsadmin | what's $$? |
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| 02:13.33 | enouf | Akuw: cat -A the file |
| 02:13.50 | karlpinc | nsadmin : Shell speak for "the current process id". It does wrap, but rarely. |
| 02:14.02 | mesa_booger | LinuxNIT: hmmm. so let's see. this is a kernel failure you say ? |
| 02:14.03 | enouf | $$ is the last command? ... or Dinero :-P |
| 02:14.24 | nsadmin | denero for the dinner |
| 02:14.36 | LinuxNIT | mesa_booger, ill try exiting and logging back in and get a screen shot |
| 02:14.44 | enouf | no. Zuppa-de-pesce :-) |
| 02:15.00 | mesa_booger | see, a kernel failure usually results in Close Of Play |
| 02:15.14 | mesa_booger | ... rather than a gtk popup |
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| 02:16.11 | smacnay | Hi, what is the current way to change the vid driver in xorg... it was "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but this no longer seems to be current. |
| 02:16.17 | enouf | did LinuxNIT actually say "pop-up"? .. omg |
| 02:16.50 | enouf | smacnay: you need to create one (X -configure) and define it |
| 02:16.57 | enouf | !drss |
| 02:17.00 | enouf | !drxx |
| 02:17.00 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
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| 02:17.06 | karlpinc | smacnay : Last I did that in lenny it worked. Left a xorg.conf with nothing much specified which I assume means that X now autodetects. |
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| 02:17.33 | smacnay | enouf, thanks - that is new to me. |
| 02:17.50 | enouf | smacnay: it's _supposed to_ autoconfigure properly, so a /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not really needed ... BUT ;-) |
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| 02:18.11 | LinuxNIT | mesa_booger, well now that i ask about the problem it quits happening, ill just wait till next time |
| 02:18.13 | smacnay | enouf, ah, but I want to change the driver to "nvidia". |
| 02:18.28 | enouf | smacnay: any /etc/X11/xorg.conf will override the autoconfig stuff |
| 02:18.40 | enouf | smacnay: well that's easy |
| 02:18.53 | smacnay | enouf, I see the section "Device" is pretty empty. |
| 02:19.09 | nsadmin | how can you get xorg to write out the config it autodetected? |
| 02:19.15 | enouf | if you installed using the Debian way, you will/might get help here - if you used the .run you won't /shouldn't |
| 02:19.33 | enouf | but .. nvidia-xconfig i think does only that |
| 02:19.37 | smacnay | enouf, I did the deb way with m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:19.50 | enouf | judd: info nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:19.51 | judd | enouf: nvidia-xconfig (x11): is optional; Version: 1.0+20080522-2; Size: 67.6k; Installed: 168k -- The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool |
| 02:20.06 | enouf | smacnay: that's beautiful ;-) |
| 02:20.23 | smacnay | enouf, I detect some sarcasm... :) |
| 02:20.31 | enouf | smacnay: you can restart / kill X and edit the file via hand if you like |
| 02:20.45 | smacnay | enouf, so just add a driver line to the file? |
| 02:20.49 | nsadmin | judd: versions nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:20.50 | judd | nsadmin: nvidia-xconfig -- etch: 1.0+20051122-2 lenny: 1.0+20080522-2 sid: 1.0+20080522-2 squeeze: 1.0+20080522-2 |
| 02:21.01 | enouf | smacnay: heh - how sensitive to my typing you are :-P |
| 02:21.18 | enouf | yes .. i am the sarcasm monster .. sometimes |
| 02:21.28 | nsadmin | now THAT is sarcasm :) |
| 02:21.40 | smacnay | enouf, I try.... sometimes I learn more from what I feel than from what I read. |
| 02:21.43 | Mikaze | Sarcasm? You're kidding. |
| 02:21.50 | enouf | smacnay: thank you |
| 02:21.50 | smacnay | hardly! |
| 02:22.33 | enouf | smacnay: i've learned to go/move/chooose from what i feel rather than most other conformist methods ;-) |
| 02:22.51 | Mikaze | wants a Danish. |
| 02:22.51 | enouf | after all .. i am a musician ;-) |
| 02:22.52 | nsadmin | smacnay: that's both off topic and way too much information! |
| 02:23.00 | Mikaze | Or a Swede. |
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| 02:26.08 | enouf | nsadmin: nsadmin> how can you get xorg to write out the config it autodetected? |
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| 02:26.23 | enouf | via /var/log/Xorg.0.log ;-) |
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| 02:27.12 | enouf | if you meant "generate an xorg.conf that it autoconfigured" .. you're SOL, IINM |
| 02:27.39 | jmonreal | how can i remove sudo from the system without apt-get telling me it has to remove gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 02:27.47 | enouf | ask debian-x on irc.debian.org |
| 02:28.08 | jmonreal | anyone? |
| 02:28.09 | enouf | judd: /msg dpkg unmarkautp |
| 02:28.09 | judd | enouf: Error: "/msg" is not a valid command. |
| 02:28.12 | enouf | judd: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 02:28.12 | judd | enouf: Error: "/msg" is not a valid command. |
| 02:28.17 | enouf | shit |
| 02:28.24 | enouf | jmonreal: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 02:31.51 | jmonreal | enouf: but i tried that with aptitude unmarkauto gksu, but it doesnt work |
| 02:32.13 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 02:32.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 02:32.39 | jmonreal | enouf: it does the same thing |
| 02:32.55 | jmonreal | it wants to remove the whole gnome-desktop-environment |
| 02:32.59 | enouf | lunacy is defined as ? |
| 02:33.01 | jmonreal | and i only want to remove sudo |
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| 02:33.16 | mesa_booger | where's that LinuxNIT gone ? |
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| 02:33.29 | ajavid | hi |
| 02:33.44 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache depends sudo shows nothing about gnome or gtk here |
| 02:33.49 | mesa_booger | well i suppose, if the cap fits ... |
| 02:33.57 | ajavid | rdepens |
| 02:34.11 | enouf | ajavid: not apropos |
| 02:34.14 | ajavid | will show kde/gnome counterparts |
| 02:34.30 | enouf | ajavid: they both suck ass anywat |
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| 02:35.04 | ajavid | some people like ass sucking. |
| 02:35.23 | ajavid | kdesudo or something is ok |
| 02:35.31 | ajavid | its just sudo for kde, what sucks abotu it |
| 02:35.46 | enouf | ajavid: and you mean "apt-rdepends ... " , or "apt-cache rdepends ,,, "? |
| 02:36.04 | enouf | this keyboard can SUCK my ass |
| 02:36.06 | jpinx | jmonreal: do aptitude -s purge sudo and paste the output |
| 02:36.15 | ajavid | latter |
| 02:36.26 | ajavid | first is a pacakge, if i meant apt-rdepends i woulda said so |
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| 02:36.27 | ajavid | :) |
| 02:36.48 | ajavid | I mean, apt-rdpeends is a package |
| 02:36.51 | ajavid | I'mgonna shut up |
| 02:37.15 | jmonreal | http://pastebin.com/d1651ea55 |
| 02:38.07 | svensko | just curious, but why, in your opinions, is ubuntu more popular than debian? |
| 02:38.13 | svensko | ubuntu is based off of debian, correct? |
| 02:38.15 | jpinx | jmonreal: ok - so, what is your problem? |
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| 02:39.02 | mesa_booger | svensko: distrowatch.com ratings give an idea of popularity |
| 02:39.35 | jpinx | svensko: ask in #linux or somewhere less-biased |
| 02:39.49 | svensko | yeah, i see that debian is more popular than arch, but less popular than opensuse, fedora, and ubuntu |
| 02:40.15 | jpinx | popular != good |
| 02:40.17 | svensko | jpinx, done :) |
| 02:40.24 | jmonreal | jpinx: this is http://pastebin.com/d65a8ad29 |
| 02:40.24 | svensko | i agree, i'm not a huge fan of ubuntu at all |
| 02:40.26 | mesa_booger | svensko: it's a feedback loop. the more people use distrowatch, the more popular it gets :) |
| 02:40.44 | jpinx | svensko: windows is popular :p |
| 02:40.52 | ajavid | ubuntu = quality |
| 02:40.54 | ajavid | doh |
| 02:40.57 | ajavid | debian = quality |
| 02:41.04 | svensko | right |
| 02:41.04 | ajavid | ubuntu = just popularity |
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| 02:41.07 | svensko | i see what you're saying |
| 02:41.09 | svensko | and i agree... |
| 02:41.12 | jpinx | slaps ajavid around a bit |
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| 02:41.30 | svensko | it just seems like ubuntu is becoming a pseudo-nerd heaven |
| 02:41.32 | ajavid | jpinx, not during dinner time, I'll let you slap me around later |
| 02:41.33 | ajavid | ;) |
| 02:41.48 | ajavid | svensko, ##linux |
| 02:42.02 | svensko | ajavid, i'm asking and most people are dissing ubuntu |
| 02:42.18 | jmonreal | jpinx: as you may see i want to remove sudo gksu |
| 02:42.50 | jpinx | jmonreal: you need to ask the right question to start with - you originally said you want to remove sudo |
| 02:43.22 | jmonreal | jpinx: sorry, i meant sudo gksu and simils |
| 02:44.29 | adb | .... sudo pero no es instalable << fix your sources |
| 02:44.29 | jmonreal | jpinx: i dont want users doing sudo |
| 02:44.31 | jpinx | jmonreal: do the aptitude -s purge for each one individually to sort out the dependencies |
| 02:45.02 | jpinx | jmonreal: remove sudo then - the gksudo won't work if sudo doesn't exist |
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| 02:45.24 | jmonreal | jpinx: but when i remove sudo it install sudo-ldap |
| 02:45.43 | jpinx | jmonreal: do the aptitude -s purge for each one individually to sort out the dependencies |
| 02:45.50 | smacnay | so what is the trick to viewing inline videos in iceweasel (yahoo sports clips and such)? |
| 02:46.00 | smacnay | I am working on a fresh install. |
| 02:46.14 | jpinx | jmonreal: and what adb says ^^ |
| 02:46.15 | jmonreal | jpinx: but when i do aptitude -s purge sudo, it says it will install sudo-ldap |
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| 02:46.42 | jmonreal | jpinx: fix sources? |
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| 02:47.09 | jpinx | smacnay: depends on how you want to see them - there are various plugins for iceweasel/firefox |
| 02:47.37 | smacnay | jpinx, any for the AMD64 install? Which plugin would you recommend? |
| 02:48.28 | jpinx | no idea smacnay - it's a do > tools. > addons and search |
| 02:48.51 | jpinx | smacnay: it's an iceweasel/firefox issue - not debian |
| 02:50.27 | smacnay | jpinx, thanks - that will make it easier for me. |
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| 03:09.32 | SJrX | I have a file /.journal that is two years old on my root drive, can I delete it/ |
| 03:09.58 | adb | rm |
| 03:10.34 | SJrX | ? |
| 03:11.12 | warchief | dont do it! |
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| 03:11.55 | SJrX | ? |
| 03:11.57 | SJrX | what is it for |
| 03:12.22 | warchief | jk, should be fine, ive never heard of a /.journal tho |
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| 03:12.48 | warchief | do idea, some obscure app maybe |
| 03:13.16 | warchief | seems odd to write to root like that |
| 03:13.24 | Typosu | I'm wondering if theres a lot going on with the ia32 compat packages in sid right now. they seem to be uninstallable. |
| 03:14.39 | susbwoy | Is there software in debian repos that will allow me to burn 3 different CD iso's onto 1 dvd and have a menu when booting off DVD, so i can choose which installation to run? |
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| 03:16.46 | adb | susbwoy: there is a multi-arch installer |
| 03:17.29 | warchief | susbwoy: you mean like multiple livecd's? |
| 03:17.54 | adb | http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/661 |
| 03:18.00 | susbwoy | adb: warchief, say i have a windows xp cd iso/debian lenny cd iso/slackware linux cd iso |
| 03:18.29 | susbwoy | is there debian software that will let me burn them to 1 dvd, and create a menu for booting off it. to choose one |
| 03:18.41 | warchief | should be able to edit the grub or lilo boot config file to do that |
| 03:19.02 | warchief | or with syslinux |
| 03:19.27 | susbwoy | But the DVD will get booted before grub/lilo |
| 03:19.31 | TigerTjader | Typosu, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533362 |
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| 03:19.48 | alex___ | can someone help me getting postgres installed on debian? |
| 03:19.49 | warchief | not saying I know how to do that exactly, but thats how ive seen it done |
| 03:19.58 | warchief | thats why I said with syslinux |
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| 03:21.01 | susbwoy | warchief: thanks |
| 03:21.07 | Typosu | TigerTjader: you wouldnt happen to know what "a while" means? |
| 03:21.28 | TigerTjader | Typosu, nope |
| 03:21.33 | Typosu | I guess I have to try an downgrade libc6 then... |
| 03:22.48 | TigerTjader | ia32-libs is preventing my libc6 from upgrading, as I already had it installed |
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| 03:31.11 | bookmark | hi |
| 03:31.14 | luckylucy | i am the owner of a folder with permissions 644 and cannot cd into the folder. permissions wrong, or another folder? |
| 03:31.29 | luckylucy | another problem i meant. |
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| 03:32.36 | warchief | most likely permissions |
| 03:33.06 | bookmark | why can't i highlight text in nano? |
| 03:33.14 | bookmark | i can in an xterm when not in nano |
| 03:33.15 | luckylucy | what do i need, execute? |
| 03:33.50 | warchief | man chmod & man chown |
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| 03:34.06 | bookmark | oh nevermind, i figured it out |
| 03:34.11 | enouf | highlight? |
| 03:34.18 | bookmark | with the mouse |
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| 03:34.29 | bookmark | i was using an alternative config file |
| 03:34.33 | enouf | drag the fucken mouse across the text if using an xterm |
| 03:34.33 | bookmark | it was jacking it up |
| 03:34.40 | bookmark | yeah nevermind |
| 03:34.54 | enouf | or use ^K to place the line into buffer |
| 03:34.58 | bookmark | i had downloaded a syntax colorizer |
| 03:35.08 | enouf | and/or ^U to replace/add |
| 03:35.09 | bookmark | and it was introducing a problem |
| 03:35.10 | enouf | IIRC |
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| 03:35.31 | enouf | i think someone needs to get with the program and stop speaking |
| 03:35.49 | enouf | syntax colorizer? omg |
| 03:36.24 | beardy | bookmark: Apparently it has mouse support now, toggle with Alt-m, possible that it's on and hijacking your mouse. |
| 03:36.28 | enouf | luckylucy: hey! .. no 1 or 2 aqppendations ;-) |
| 03:36.55 | enouf | beardy: "it"? |
| 03:37.47 | enouf | luckylucy: look into selinux or ACL issues |
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| 03:38.02 | bookmark | don't wory about "it" :) he's talking to me |
| 03:38.02 | enouf | no reason you cannot cd into a dir/ with those perms |
| 03:38.05 | beardy | enouf: Yes. |
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| 03:38.17 | enouf | beardy: yea what? |
| 03:38.34 | enouf | beardy: please define "it" |
| 03:38.37 | warchief | I just created a dir with those permissions and am unable to cd into it |
| 03:39.10 | bookmark | it is a pronon replacing a nonperson anticedant object :) |
| 03:39.12 | beardy | enouf: It's quite clear. He asked about nano, I answered him, therefor "it" is nano. |
| 03:39.15 | enouf | warchief: 1st of all dirs should be 777, the usernames umask should be 022 |
| 03:39.30 | beardy | him/her |
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| 03:39.40 | enouf | 2nd files should be 666 and the default umask of 022 makes it 644 |
| 03:40.05 | warchief | ive never seen all dirs 777, that sounds crazy |
| 03:40.08 | enouf | beardy: wonderful - you finally made a coherent response |
| 03:40.19 | enouf | warchief: they won't be |
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| 03:40.24 | enouf | due to default umask |
| 03:40.29 | enouf | help umask |
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| 03:40.56 | \amethyst | warchief: they're usually created with mode 0777 & ~umask, though some programs might use 0700 & ~umask or something else |
| 03:41.10 | enouf | warchief: the umask of 022 makes the dir 0755 |
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| 03:41.39 | \amethyst | warchief: when a program creates a file or directory, it specifies a mode as part of the syscall, and the kernel masks out the bits in umask |
| 03:41.44 | enouf | without other chown/chmod perms employed |
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| 03:42.09 | enouf | cat /etc/profile |
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| 03:43.20 | enouf | beardy: nano has always had mouse support .. when run within an xterm |
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| 03:43.34 | myself | does anyone know how to get the Shell - Queue script to work with Transmission torrent client here http://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/Scripts it's this one http://pastie.org/357236 |
| 03:44.34 | beardy | enouf: I doubt that. |
| 03:44.35 | enouf | beardy: your doubt is wrong |
| 03:44.35 | luckylucy | i want web statistics on incoming and outgoing requests, what package / options do i need / have? |
| 03:44.35 | enouf | beardy: as xterm mouse support has nothing to do with nano, nor anything else |
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| 03:45.03 | beardy | enouf: Then you are trying to make a fight about mouse support in X, not nano. |
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| 03:45.55 | enouf | beardy: yes, i guess so -- but when the bozo asking doesn't specify which (x, or console) i naturally presume newcomer using *buntu ;-P |
| 03:46.23 | beardy | enouf: Don't hate so much. |
| 03:46.32 | \amethyst | nano's mouse support works with both xterm and gpm |
| 03:46.53 | enouf | beardy: i'm quite intolerant -- but only when i;m loaded up on scotch or whiskey |
| 03:47.00 | beardy | \amethyst: Yes. For how long, or forever, I don't know. |
| 03:47.37 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks, but how long has it been avail for Console? gpm is another beast to be incorporated to work |
| 03:47.44 | \amethyst | beardy: since nano-0.8.2, which is almost forever (02/02/2000; first release named nano was 01/09/00) |
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| 03:48.00 | beardy | \amethyst: Ok, thanks. |
| 03:48.00 | enouf | \amethyst: i would presume as long as gpm was available |
| 03:48.12 | luckylucy | hi \amethyst! |
| 03:48.19 | enouf | \amethyst: nice - and thanks |
| 03:48.22 | adb | !download enouf |
| 03:48.38 | enouf | adb: i am available to rent ;-) |
| 03:49.00 | enouf | for a large fee ofcourse ;-) |
| 03:49.17 | beardy | gpm is most of the time very easy to get working. |
| 03:49.35 | enouf | beardy: ever try gpmconfig? |
| 03:49.45 | enouf | or gpm-config? |
| 03:49.56 | enouf | it's broken severely here |
| 03:50.25 | beardy | enouf: Yes. I think I did, I don't remember if that worked or if I wrote my own config file. Last time I installed in, in Lenny on my eeepc, it just worked immediately. |
| 03:50.39 | beardy | installed it* |
| 03:50.51 | enouf | but .. i suck .. and it's not ass that i suck - it's other female bodily anatomy parts ;-) |
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| 03:51.20 | enouf | beardy: i tried it during Sarge and Etch only ... |
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| 03:51.57 | enouf | beardy: btw, it's good to see you |
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| 03:52.19 | beardy | enouf: This was in woody. But either way, I'm quite sure 'man 5 gpm.conf' was helpful, because indeed I think I ended up reading up on it and fixing it without gpmconfig. |
| 03:52.45 | myself | does anyone know how to get the Shell - Queue script to work with Transmission torrent client here http://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/Scripts it's this one http://pastie.org/357236 |
| 03:53.44 | enouf | beardy: yes .. things change ... |
| 03:54.39 | svensko | what is the file i need to change to change what DE or WM i am booting into when X is started? |
| 03:54.43 | enouf | myself: what does the pkg transmission do? |
| 03:54.59 | beardy | !default wm |
| 03:54.59 | dpkg | from memory, default window manager is to change the default window manager, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 03:55.16 | enouf | svensko: update-alternatives --config x-O |
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| 03:55.26 | enouf | son of a bitch |
| 03:55.26 | beardy | There is a nice window manager chooser, that I've forgotten the name of.. |
| 03:55.59 | enouf | try x-session-manager too svensko |
| 03:56.39 | beardy | svensko: wmanager is what I thought of I think, check it out. |
| 03:56.47 | enouf | svensko: update-alternatives --config x-[tab]][tab] <-- is what i was trying, so you can see all X related options |
| 03:57.07 | beardy | svensko: wmanager - Select a window manager at X startup |
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| 03:57.52 | enouf | wow .. sounds like it can break the update-alt ... system |
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| 03:58.22 | myself | enouf: what is a pkg transmission, sorry i'm a bit of a newbie with this issue |
| 03:58.26 | myself | oh |
| 03:58.28 | myself | Its a Torrent client |
| 03:58.33 | beardy | enouf: No, it is run from the users .xsession, or .xinitrc.. the "right" one anyway. |
| 03:58.34 | RheaChiQ | hello guys what us the best music player and movie to install? |
| 03:58.41 | enouf | seems like using ifrename rather than using the 70 rules file |
| 03:59.01 | enouf | judd: info wmanager |
| 03:59.02 | judd | enouf: wmanager (x11): is optional; Version: 0.2.1-5; Size: 22.1k; Installed: 84k -- Select a window manager at X startup |
| 03:59.31 | enouf | beardy: ergo; no DM neeeded? |
| 03:59.35 | svensko | ty enouf |
| 04:00.04 | RheaChiQ | ***hello guys what is the best music player and movie to install? |
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| 04:00.17 | enouf | !mplayer |
| 04:00.17 | dpkg | [mplayer] a movie player for Unix-like systems, packaged for Debian. Binary codecs can be installed with the /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh script. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. As an alternative, use a player based on <xine> or <vlc>. Also ask me about <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ #mplayer on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:00.38 | warchief | ++ |
| 04:00.44 | pl4yer0ne | vlc? |
| 04:00.53 | enouf | sideshow |
| 04:01.03 | beardy | enouf: Yes, it's just a little list/menu with the different window managers installed (and in wmanager's list of window managers) that is displayed. But it can take anything to launch I guess, at X startup. |
| 04:01.03 | RheaChiQ | !sideshow |
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| 04:01.09 | simonrvn | !best |
| 04:01.09 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:01.22 | beardy | RheaChiQ: mplayer and/or vlc, what simonrvn just said aswell. |
| 04:01.29 | simonrvn | s,Tennis,Lacrosse, |
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| 04:01.57 | simonrvn | stick ball, snow snakes, ... |
| 04:03.33 | enouf | beardy: that;s actually the way _i_ would personally like the default .. as opposed to needing x/k/gdm .. and all the nonsense they each bring -- seems similar to usbmount and its non-Depends on dbus/hal ... simplicity |
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| 04:04.05 | beardy | enouf: Yes. Same here, that's why I looked for something like it, stew told me about that one. |
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| 04:04.36 | enouf | beardy: ;-) i knew i'd like seeing you :-P |
| 04:05.29 | enouf | !stew++ |
| 04:05.45 | enouf | !karma stew |
| 04:05.45 | dpkg | stew has karma of 35 |
| 04:06.00 | enouf | !karma enouf |
| 04:06.01 | dpkg | enouf has karma of 7 |
| 04:06.12 | enouf | !karma beardy |
| 04:06.12 | dpkg | beardy has karma of 5 |
| 04:07.35 | warchief | how you get the karma |
| 04:07.42 | warchief | !karma warchief |
| 04:07.42 | dpkg | warchief has neutral karma |
| 04:07.46 | warchief | lol |
| 04:07.58 | warchief | better then negative |
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| 04:09.33 | enouf | !warchief-- |
| 04:09.43 | enouf | !karma warchief |
| 04:09.43 | dpkg | warchief has neutral karma |
| 04:09.49 | enouf | !warchief- |
| 04:09.52 | enouf | !karma warchief |
| 04:10.03 | enouf | you sucl |
| 04:10.27 | warchief | !karma warchief |
| 04:10.27 | dpkg | warchief has neutral karma |
| 04:11.00 | warchief | !enouf- |
| 04:11.10 | craigevil | RheaChiQ: checkout smplayer its a frontend for mplayer , its pretty cool because it remembers where you left off watching a movie |
| 04:11.12 | warchief | !karma enouf |
| 04:11.12 | dpkg | enouf has karma of 7 |
| 04:11.13 | beardy | Play nice. |
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| 04:11.58 | warchief | bah |
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| 04:15.42 | enouf | !warchief++ |
| 04:15.46 | enouf | !karma warchief |
| 04:15.46 | dpkg | warchief has karma of 1 |
| 04:15.58 | enouf | happy? |
| 04:16.35 | warchief | somewhat |
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| 04:18.27 | warchief | !karma \amethyst |
| 04:18.27 | dpkg | \amethyst has karma of 4 |
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| 04:21.58 | Tapout | my box is acting weird, even ssh into the box.. it doesn't have enough 'io' to let me login... i'm on a shell and can see vmstat showing not much data flowing |
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| 04:27.24 | svensko | jeez, stable is a bit behind :( |
| 04:27.40 | enouf | !sns |
| 04:27.41 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 04:27.52 | svensko | i figured bleeding edge meant a few weeks or a month, not several |
| 04:28.01 | svensko | well when the sns works and the ods doesn't... |
| 04:28.02 | enouf | Tapout: enough io? try iotop? |
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| 04:28.29 | enouf | you figured wrong .. unless you want to fix it |
| 04:28.46 | Tapout | enouf, i see in /var/log/messages, weird messages :( |
| 04:29.10 | Tapout | what pastebin do ya'll use |
| 04:29.56 | Tapout | enouf, have you ever seen this: http://paste.debian.net/39497/ ... or have an idea what is going on |
| 04:29.59 | beardy | Any that works good. paste.debian.net is one IIRC. |
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| 04:31.53 | enouf | Tapout: well, a) that pastebin format sucks ass and b) seems like a suspend/wake/ACPI issue |
| 04:32.29 | enouf | what'd with mysqld though Tapout |
| 04:32.31 | enouf | ? |
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| 04:32.52 | Tapout | what's with it? I'm using it .. sadly.. should be using postgresql |
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| 04:33.38 | Tapout | when you say it could be an acpi issue, what course of action should I be taking? |
| 04:33.49 | warchief | How would you set a filename entered following the script, as a variable? or can you? |
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| 04:34.17 | enouf | from what you've pasted only .. no idea .. wht's the issue? |
| 04:34.41 | Tapout | enouf, the issue is... when the box has even 5-6MB/sec of IO going on... I can't login |
| 04:34.49 | enouf | looks like your kernel is about ready to panic |
| 04:34.52 | Tapout | only once the boxes IO goes down will it accept me |
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| 04:35.19 | enouf | Tapout: you need to explain the setup a bit more |
| 04:35.27 | enouf | and hardare involved |
| 04:35.36 | enouf | hardware* |
| 04:35.56 | enouf | show us output of /msg dpkg walot |
| 04:35.58 | Tapout | enouf, Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5430 @ 2.66GHz ... 2x1TB |
| 04:37.10 | beardy | warchief: "filename = $1" takes the first command line argument of your script and puts it in the variable named "filename". |
| 04:37.24 | beardy | !absg warchief |
| 04:37.24 | dpkg | warchief: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'. |
| 04:37.28 | enouf | grep flags /proc/cpuinfo Tapout also |
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| 04:37.47 | Tapout | enouf, which pastebin do you suggesT? |
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| 04:38.23 | enouf | well, i use pastebin.ca and/or rafb.net/paste (if it still exists) |
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| 04:38.55 | enouf | Tapout: just .. i like/need a plain text format to diligently read output Tapout |
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| 04:39.24 | warchief | beardy: thanks, I'll look at that |
| 04:40.01 | enouf | Tapout: actually , like most, clicking the Download link _does_ indeed dispaly the text in plain mode - so .. i have to do that with most |
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| 04:40.11 | enouf | for paste.debian.de |
| 04:40.35 | enouf | er .. paste.debian.net |
| 04:40.38 | Tapout | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1464454 |
| 04:41.33 | enouf | for ex -- this is what i can parse nicely ; http://pastebin.ca/1464454 |
| 04:41.45 | enouf | crap |
| 04:41.49 | enouf | i mean http://pastebin.ca/raw/1464454 |
| 04:42.03 | Tapout | ahh is ee |
| 04:42.07 | Tapout | that's why you like it, makes sense |
| 04:44.05 | Until_It_Sleeps | installs OVER 9000 packages :P |
| 04:44.20 | polycarbonate1 | haha |
| 04:44.41 | enouf | Tapout: are you running any VMs or anything? |
| 04:44.47 | Tapout | nope |
| 04:45.00 | polycarbonate1 | Until_It_Sleeps: wait, what? |
| 04:45.04 | polycarbonate1 | Until_It_Sleeps: why??? |
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| 04:45.19 | Tapout | sdc1 = iscsi mount point.. taht's the only thing that isn't usual |
| 04:45.38 | Until_It_Sleeps | Haven't you ever heard that meme? "IT'S OVER 9000!" |
| 04:45.40 | enouf | Tapout: i see some iscsi stuff.,.. related? |
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| 04:45.53 | enouf | uh |
| 04:46.05 | Tapout | nope, I initially had iscsi in use but thought maybe it was related to it.. so i stopped using it, it's still mounted tho |
| 04:46.15 | enouf | Tapout: use my nick as a preface |
| 04:46.18 | polycarbonate1 | Until_It_Sleeps: just installing >9000 packages because you can, or because you need to? |
| 04:46.22 | Tapout | enouf, roger |
| 04:46.27 | enouf | or i'll miss your replies |
| 04:46.30 | Tapout | enouf: nope, I initially had iscsi in use but thought maybe it was related to it.. so i stopped using it, it's still mounted tho |
| 04:46.39 | Until_It_Sleeps | polycarbonate1: Because I can... |
| 04:46.46 | polycarbonate1 | Until_It_Sleeps: ^5 |
| 04:47.01 | Tapout | enouf, is there a way to probe ext3 and see how fragmented it is? |
| 04:47.06 | enouf | so umount it, and pkill the processes from ps/pstree/pstree.x11 ouput |
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| 04:47.55 | enouf | Tapout: IIRC, a standard fsck should tell you if not tune2fs /dev/hdaX or dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdaX |
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| 04:48.37 | enouf | i have no extX FS here anymore - only reiserfs |
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| 04:49.48 | Tapout | enouf, I've got / = sda6 and /home = sdb1 ... what would be the best way, without havnig to redo the whole box to get to either xfs, or reiserfs |
| 04:50.12 | Tapout | i had really slow partitions before and with xfs, you just... xfs_fsr -t ... and it fixes it |
| 04:50.18 | Until_It_Sleeps | Virtual machines <3 |
| 04:50.19 | Tapout | enouf, i had really slow partitions before and with xfs, you just... xfs_fsr -t ... and it fixes it |
| 04:50.49 | enouf | well .. sda6 is obviiusly a logical within an Ext'd which sucks ass |
| 04:51.02 | Dracie | Tapout: can you do that when the partition is being mounted? |
| 04:51.39 | Tapout | enouf, why is that? isp did that.. |
| 04:51.43 | enouf | Tapout: make sure you're not dealing with bad HDDs |
| 04:51.58 | Tapout | enouf, how tho? smartctl is the ony thing eh? |
| 04:52.00 | enouf | isp? |
| 04:52.04 | enouf | no |
| 04:52.24 | nsadmin | isp did what? |
| 04:52.31 | enouf | badblocks and/or your Manu Disk utils |
| 04:52.36 | Syrogen | hi what is the chmod for passwd recommended? |
| 04:53.12 | enouf | Tapout: /dev/sda2 13 121601 976663642+ 5 Extended |
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| 04:53.29 | enouf | /dev/sda5 13 136 995998+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 137 121601 975667581 83 Linux |
| 04:53.45 | Tapout | the datacenter guys did it, |
| 04:53.55 | enouf | not my prob |
| 04:53.59 | Tapout | enouf, should it always just be a 'primary' and use .. sda1 ? |
| 04:53.59 | enouf | those assholes |
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| 04:54.14 | Tapout | enouf, why is that bad tho.. |
| 04:54.17 | enouf | just harder to juggle |
| 04:54.54 | Dracie | sweet |
| 04:55.03 | Dracie | live defrag or w/e it is |
| 04:55.10 | Tapout | xfs_fsr? |
| 04:55.19 | Dracie | yeah |
| 04:55.21 | enouf | Tapout: boot into 'single' see if you have same issuues |
| 04:55.22 | Dracie | doing it right now |
| 04:55.29 | enouf | don';t let X start |
| 04:55.32 | Tapout | Dracie, your machine will blaze |
| 04:55.37 | Dracie | ok |
| 04:55.38 | Tapout | enouf, no x at all here |
| 04:55.42 | Dracie | yeah same |
| 04:55.55 | enouf | start via process of elimination' |
| 04:56.00 | c0m1 | hi. Could someone tell a c++ newbie how to link to ClanLib when compiling with g++? I installed it, and see it in /usr/include, but -lClanLib doesn't work. All tutorials I've found are for visual IDE |
| 04:56.04 | Dracie | I realized I am not using any X apps so i just stopped gdm |
| 04:56.25 | enouf | Tapout: then fsck might be the way ,, wait a sec |
| 04:57.31 | enouf | Tapout: is sda6 mounted ro now? /dev/sda6 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 |
| 04:58.04 | Tapout | nope, no errors |
| 04:58.08 | Tapout | i can write |
| 04:58.13 | Tapout | enouf, i can write |
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| 04:59.51 | enouf | Tapout: pastebin output of netstat -tunap and lsof -i | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' |
| 05:00.12 | enouf | Tapout: both as root or sudo |
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| 05:00.27 | Tapout | enouf, if I boot single, I could move everything from /home to like .. /home2 ... umount /home, mkfs.xfs it, and then move stuff back, and then continue booting, that would work eh? |
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| 05:00.42 | enouf | ... |
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| 05:01.03 | Tapout | enouf, that comes up empty |
| 05:01.28 | enouf | why the /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 ? |
| 05:01.42 | enouf | what? |
| 05:01.52 | Tapout | enouf, that's the 2nd 1TB drive |
| 05:01.54 | enouf | why not =continue |
| 05:02.12 | Tapout | enouf, i'm using defaults as the install came, at least as they had it |
| 05:02.32 | Tapout | enouf, are you saying it should be.. data=continue ? |
| 05:02.37 | Tapout | or .. errors=continue? |
| 05:03.12 | enouf | Tapout: umount /dev/sdc1 ext3 20G 173M 20G 1% /iscsi that sucker .. see if anything major changesd |
| 05:04.32 | enouf | yeah ==continue .. unless .. but i stopped using extX FS |
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| 05:07.25 | eshaase | why does moving files from my HD to my USB HD take up 100% of my CPU? |
| 05:07.42 | enouf | USB sucks ass |
| 05:08.03 | enouf | is either mpunted with defaults or async? |
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| 05:08.59 | RheaChiQ | thanks debian |
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| 05:10.29 | smacnay | hi, I am working on a clean debian install and find that evolution won't start. I get an error: evolution: /tmp/buildd/libical-0.43/src/libical/icalerror.c:106: icalerror_set_errno: Assertion `0' failed. |
| 05:10.32 | simonrvn | usb-storage is inefficient... |
| 05:10.35 | deco | enouf: usb is much slower |
| 05:11.03 | deco | maybe with usb3 things will change.. |
| 05:11.07 | Dracie | holy crap my hard drive and cpu heatsink are very hot to the touch |
| 05:11.27 | enouf | deco: much slower than? |
| 05:11.33 | enouf | it just sucks ass |
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| 05:11.40 | deco | enouf: from hardrive to harddrive |
| 05:12.08 | enouf | deco: a usb connected HDD -> a USB HDD? |
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| 05:12.28 | enouf | deco: u3 really sucks my ass! |
| 05:12.36 | enouf | !u3 |
| 05:12.36 | dpkg | methinks u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in ... |
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| 05:13.06 | deco | enouf: yes |
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| 05:13.23 | enouf | deco: want to discuss? heh |
| 05:13.32 | deco | enouf: sure:P |
| 05:13.43 | enouf | yes what? my ass needs sucking? |
| 05:13.50 | Dracie | U3 is crap |
| 05:14.27 | Dracie | happy i don't have a flash drive with that |
| 05:14.38 | enouf | flash sucks ass |
| 05:14.39 | deco | enouf, why the hell are you using a usb hd ? |
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| 05:14.55 | enouf | deco: rethink your preconceptions |
| 05:15.26 | enouf | s/preconceptions/misconceptions |
| 05:15.29 | deco | enouf: don't know . just got here |
| 05:15.36 | deco | might have not read all the |
| 05:16.08 | enouf | yeah .. i'm a newb too |
| 05:16.18 | shodan45 | is it possible to give the kernel a param (via grub) to skip certain modules? |
| 05:16.27 | enouf | shodan45: yes |
| 05:16.42 | shodan45 | enouf, cool, what is it? ;) |
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| 05:17.18 | Oleg_ | I forgot what command I need to run after adding something to sources.list |
| 05:17.35 | enouf | see /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt .. or just remove the module from /etc/modules or /etc/moprobe.d/* and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION |
| 05:17.39 | ananthgs | Oleg: apt-get update |
| 05:18.25 | shodan45 | enouf, ah ok cool.... yeah I konw about /etc/modules, I just can't boot the poor thing ;( |
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| 05:18.33 | shodan45 | and the cd drive is fried |
| 05:18.36 | enouf | s#/etc/moprobe.d/*#/etc/modprobe.d/*# |
| 05:18.59 | shodan45 | hehe didn't even notice that |
| 05:19.16 | enouf | shodan45: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 05:19.25 | enouf | shodan45: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs as well |
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| 05:22.03 | Oleg_ | ananthgs: I have a difficulty installing virtual box on my debian system |
| 05:22.55 | enouf | shodan45: thing is, if you really need a kernel parm like say these; root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic then append it in grub -- the instructions are explicit as to how .. as you boot |
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| 05:23.27 | enouf | shodan45: hit ENTER after you use 'e' |
| 05:23.31 | smacnay | hmm, on a clean install, why would evolution not start? I seem to be getting a libical error |
| 05:23.33 | enouf | then use 'b' |
| 05:23.58 | deco | smacnay: don't use bloatware like evolution use alpine :-) |
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| 05:24.48 | shodan45 | enouf, unless I'm missing something, the stuff dpkg gave me would only work on an already running system... this one isn't |
| 05:25.04 | myself | enouf: what is a pkg transmission, sorry i'm a bit of a newbie with this issue |
| 05:25.06 | myself | does anyone know how to get the Shell - Queue script to work with Transmission torrent client here http://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/Scripts it's this one http://pastie.org/357236 |
| 05:25.07 | Dracie | hmm |
| 05:25.28 | enouf | shodan45: you haven't read the docs i mentioned obviously then |
| 05:25.38 | Dracie | I would love to use alphine or mutt, but I have yet to figure out hwo to setup the mail fetching programs |
| 05:25.55 | deco | Dracie: do you use gmail? |
| 05:26.00 | enouf | myself: if you don't know .. how the heck should i ? |
| 05:26.02 | Dracie | yeah |
| 05:26.02 | ananthgs | Oleg, what version are u trying to install? |
| 05:26.04 | Dracie | deco: yup |
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| 05:26.14 | deco | Dracie: i can send you a pic it shows you how to conigure it |
| 05:26.15 | Dracie | but I wanna use imap |
| 05:26.20 | deco | configure* |
| 05:26.25 | Dracie | deco: for imap? |
| 05:26.27 | deco | Dracie: yeah |
| 05:26.31 | Dracie | cool |
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| 05:27.10 | myself | enouf sorry, that was from earlier, i said Transmission was a torrent client, lol |
| 05:27.24 | Dracie | I prefer deluge |
| 05:27.27 | Dracie | much more versitile |
| 05:27.34 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 05:27.37 | Tapout | enouf, hey man thank you for your help. What I'm going to do is just add another drive into the machine and go from there. :) |
| 05:27.41 | Dracie | gtk, cli, web frontends |
| 05:27.42 | myself | delugei s nice but i had some problems with it, and it doesn't tell you anything about whether your torrents are active of whether the port you need is open |
| 05:27.46 | Tapout | enouf, this way I can get xfs on the 3rd drive |
| 05:27.49 | Dracie | hmm |
| 05:27.57 | Dracie | I love the cli client |
| 05:28.32 | anddam | hello |
| 05:28.38 | enouf | Tapout: why? i can't see how that would resolve the issues (atleast as what i think they are) but .. you're welcome ;-) |
| 05:28.47 | enouf | oh |
| 05:28.52 | simNIX | my 15G usb dongle is detected in dmesg, but when I try to cfdisk it I get http://paste.debian.net/39499/ |
| 05:28.56 | Oleg_ | Look here: http://pastebin.com/m6d279ed9 |
| 05:29.03 | enouf | screw XFS unless you have a need for it |
| 05:29.03 | simNIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.03 | anddam | how should I proceed in order to edit a single key in console keymap? Create a new keymap dumping the current and then loading this new keymap or is there a way I can specify a single modification? |
| 05:29.17 | Oleg_ | I think I re-pasted the same thing there, so ignore the above lines |
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| 05:29.29 | simNIX | I bought it to put Debian on, so I would realy like to find a way to get ext2 on it ... |
| 05:30.01 | enouf | simNIX: really ... vfat? |
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| 05:31.02 | enouf | FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 05:31.10 | shodan45 | enouf, I think we're having a miscommunication :) |
| 05:31.20 | cahoot | he wants to change it ti ext2 |
| 05:31.22 | simNIX | yeah that how the usb dongle got delivered new |
| 05:31.39 | simNIX | and I'd like to loose that partiton - ) |
| 05:31.49 | cahoot | simNIX: use dd? |
| 05:32.20 | enouf | simNIX: mount the sucker properly and forget about cfdisk .. use parted or run scandsk on it in wintendo |
| 05:32.29 | simNIX | could be last resort - but curios why cfdisk dont take it - .. |
| 05:32.30 | shodan45 | enouf, this machine is panicing almost immediately after grub because it can't install fan, thermal, and I'm sure some other modules |
| 05:33.00 | enouf | shodan45: that's due to initrd |
| 05:33.04 | simNIX | ill see what parted says about it |
| 05:33.40 | enouf | shodan45: you're using a custom kernel or ? |
| 05:34.05 | shodan45 | enouf, I wish I knew, this is someone else's box..... :/ |
| 05:34.12 | shodan45 | looks normal to me |
| 05:34.13 | anddam | anyone about the key-change? |
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| 05:34.26 | shodan45 | then again, I can't boot the thing hehe |
| 05:34.34 | simNIX | good old fdisk got it - ) |
| 05:35.59 | shodan45 | ohh hang on, the cd drive decided to come back to life |
| 05:36.07 | enouf | shodan45: not really an issue, just blacklist those modules |
| 05:36.27 | shodan45 | I need to stop volunteering to fix things.... :o |
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| 05:36.38 | enouf | if they ARE modules, not =y in the config |
| 05:37.59 | enouf | egrep -i 'thermal|fan' /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 05:40.06 | enouf | anddam: /msg dpkg new archive key |
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| 05:41.53 | anddam | enouf: thanks |
| 05:42.17 | anddam | enouf: but what for? |
| 05:42.33 | anddam | enouf: l-o-l |
| 05:42.39 | svensko | where would i put files such as wbar that i want to start automatically? looks like ~/.xsession isn't what i'm looking for |
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| 05:43.14 | anddam | enouf: "key" as in "keyboard", I want to add a single key hit for a tilde rather than an alt-126 combination on my numpadless laptop |
| 05:43.38 | anddam | enouf: my keyring is safe :-) |
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| 05:45.07 | epsas | 1126 |
| 05:45.55 | anddam | enouf: I just meant if I should create a new keymap dumping my current and changing that only key I want to remap or if I should use a command to edit it |
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| 05:48.34 | nkuttler | anddam: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 05:50.12 | svensko | where would i put files such as wbar that i want to start automatically? looks like ~/.xsession isn't what i'm looking for |
| 05:50.39 | enouf | "key change" implies authentication key to me |
| 05:50.41 | nkuttler | svensko: start when? |
| 05:50.52 | svensko | when X is started |
| 05:51.00 | anddam | nkuttler: I already read that |
| 05:51.04 | svensko | i specifically want wbar |
| 05:51.04 | enouf | !xsession |
| 05:51.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 05:51.10 | nkuttler | svensko: ~/.xsession, or whatever your window manager uses |
| 05:51.33 | anddam | nkuttler: still doesn't answer my question that is more about which way is more "convenient" |
| 05:51.44 | svensko | hmm, i thought it was dependent on distro, guess not |
| 05:51.53 | nkuttler | anddam: don't you have a tilde on your keyboard anyway? |
| 05:52.05 | anddam | nkuttler: non-US layout |
| 05:52.08 | anddam | I don't |
| 05:52.21 | nkuttler | anddam: i'd use xmodmap |
| 05:52.23 | enouf | grep -r <someshit> /etc/X11 |
| 05:52.30 | enouf | you'll see |
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| 05:52.48 | anddam | nkuttler: but that would work only in x, wouldn't it? |
| 05:52.55 | anddam | I'm talking console |
| 05:53.00 | enouf | you asked about X |
| 05:53.07 | anddam | where? |
| 05:53.12 | nkuttler | !keymap |
| 05:53.12 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 05:53.13 | enouf | when? |
| 05:53.20 | nkuttler | oooooh, look |
| 05:53.34 | enouf | console crap is in /etc/console*/* |
| 05:53.34 | anddam | enouf: let me copy&paste myself |
| 05:53.37 | anddam | <anddam> how should I proceed in order to edit a single key in console keymap? |
| 05:53.47 | enouf | let me not let you |
| 05:53.52 | anddam | too late |
| 05:54.01 | anddam | I already let me to let |
| 05:54.12 | enouf | see loadkeys, showkey, etc |
| 05:54.22 | enouf | dumpkeys |
| 05:54.37 | redstick | hey guys, is there a way to make your display (on a laptop) flip sideways so you can hold your notebook like a .. book ? |
| 05:54.43 | nkuttler | anddam: italian keyboard should have tilde anyway |
| 05:54.50 | enouf | besides - i answered earlier - allow me "anddam> enouf: let me copy&paste myself" |
| 05:54.57 | enouf | 01:44 < enouf> console crap is in /etc/console*/* |
| 05:54.59 | nkuttler | guys... |
| 05:55.30 | enouf | !xrandr |
| 05:55.30 | dpkg | somebody said xrandr was a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 05:57.29 | enouf | bets you have 20,000 unneeded {console-kit-dae} in your pstree output |
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| 05:58.43 | enouf | which is one reason i never reboot ... i can disable any startup shit, but the pkg responsible is ~required for any/all keyboard input |
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| 06:00.10 | anddam | nkuttler: not really |
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| 06:00.34 | anddam | nkuttler: this is Mac it keymap |
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| 06:00.50 | redstick | hey guys, is there a way to make your display (on a laptop) flip sideways so you can hold your notebook like a .. book ? |
| 06:00.57 | enouf | what a dump - thanks for the warning |
| 06:01.15 | zinx | redstick: depending on your video drivers, yes |
| 06:01.17 | enouf | help yourself with that proprietary POFS |
| 06:01.41 | enouf | redstick: dpkg already told you |
| 06:01.44 | anddam | redstick: do you mean rotate screen? |
| 06:01.52 | redstick | yeah rotate |
| 06:02.00 | anddam | xrandr should handle it |
| 06:02.23 | redstick | i didnt see anything there about rotating, lemme lool again i guess.. |
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| 06:03.41 | enouf | !define xrandr |
| 06:04.02 | anddam | redstick: [--rotate orientation] |
| 06:04.06 | enouf | Rotate and Resize |
| 06:04.21 | enouf | X ~Rotate AND Resize |
| 06:04.45 | martin12345 | I resized a NTFS partition from 80015491584 bytes(80GB) to 59999994368 bytes(60GB) using "ntfsresize -s 60G /dev/sda1" under Debian. Now I would like to make sda1 partition smaller(partitions size should be equal with filesystem size), but there is no "bytes" option in fdisk. I think that it's wise to use "sector" as the unit using fdisk? However, how should I know how manu sectors is 59999994368 bytes? |
| 06:04.49 | enouf | RTFM! |
| 06:05.11 | enouf | use parted |
| 06:05.15 | kornholi | judd: versions svn |
| 06:05.15 | judd | kornholi: svn -- |
| 06:05.20 | kornholi | judd: versions subversion |
| 06:05.21 | judd | kornholi: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.6dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 |
| 06:05.52 | kornholi | subversion broken for anyone else in squeeze? |
| 06:05.52 | enouf | you're supposed to shrink the FS firsr |
| 06:05.53 | martin12345 | enouf: so you say it's imossible to do using fdisk? |
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| 06:06.04 | redstick | xrandr --rotate left |
| 06:06.08 | redstick | doesnt do anything :/ |
| 06:06.12 | martin12345 | enouf: I didi resize filesystem first |
| 06:06.17 | enouf | martin12345: i don't care is what i'm saying |
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| 06:06.30 | ham5 | why did experimental have to get rid of my ia32-libs to update? |
| 06:06.44 | martin12345 | enouf: why do you say anything at all when you don't care? |
| 06:06.45 | enouf | ham5: see the changelog |
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| 06:07.05 | enouf | martin12345: because i offered positive input nonetheless |
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| 06:08.09 | enouf | martin12345: 01:56 < enouf> use parted <== will show you in Bytes as will lshal |
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| 06:09.06 | enouf | 59999994368 / 512 == sectors |
| 06:09.28 | enouf | but i can see it not falling on a Cylinder boundary |
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| 06:11.32 | martin12345 | yes, it's 117187489 sectors, but how do you know it is not falling on a cylinder boundary? And why is it important that it should fall in cylinder boundary? |
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| 06:12.44 | redstick | aha |
| 06:13.02 | redstick | i found that you can rotate with your resolution changer in gnome |
| 06:13.18 | redstick | and it works |
| 06:13.20 | redstick | cool |
| 06:14.03 | songer | hola |
| 06:14.07 | songer | como estan? |
| 06:14.59 | enouf | ~$ echo '117187489 * 512' | bc |
| 06:15.00 | enouf | 59999994368 |
| 06:15.04 | enouf | wonderous |
| 06:15.22 | enouf | ask fdisk/cfdisk/sfdisk why |
| 06:15.55 | enouf | ~$ echo '59999994368 / 512' | bc |
| 06:15.56 | enouf | 117187489 |
| 06:16.07 | enouf | math is wonderous,. no? |
| 06:16.21 | apetc | math is power |
| 06:16.42 | songer | hello |
| 06:16.46 | enouf | learning how to use bc is power :-P |
| 06:17.25 | polycarbonate1 | g'day songer |
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| 06:18.18 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.42 | enouf | is listening to 'Bulls on Parade' |
| 06:18.47 | songer | If you no the name select from the list |
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| 06:19.13 | enouf | songer: try enabling AHCI in the BIOS |
| 06:19.26 | songer | ok |
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| 06:20.06 | enouf | songer: is that HDD a SATA connection? |
| 06:20.14 | songer | sata |
| 06:20.32 | songer | this hard drive is the exeption |
| 06:20.51 | enouf | how many other HDDs? how many are SATA and what OSes are on them? |
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| 06:21.10 | enouf | what? |
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| 06:21.35 | MoL0ToV | one question: are better to use AHCI driver or SATA driver? in the bios i must enable AHCI or no? |
| 06:21.47 | enouf | Rage Against The Machine .. babay |
| 06:22.04 | MoL0ToV | the performance is better or no? |
| 06:22.12 | enouf | MoL0ToV: depends |
| 06:22.14 | nkuttler | enouf: feel free to join #politics |
| 06:22.24 | enouf | tell us your disks and drives |
| 06:22.37 | enouf | nkuttler: thanks .. but no wai |
| 06:22.50 | enouf | that channel sucks my ass |
| 06:23.15 | enouf | ESPECIALLY since it's been changed .. |
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| 06:23.55 | enouf | MoL0ToV: tell us your disks and drives |
| 06:24.07 | MoL0ToV | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller |
| 06:24.10 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.34 | enouf | MoL0ToV: and .. how many are SATA connected drives? |
| 06:24.46 | MoL0ToV | Model=MAXTOR STM3250820AS , FwRev=3.AAE , SerialNo= 5QE3ML6D |
| 06:24.59 | hoo-hah | hi guys. is it possible to set in interfaces file for: iface eth0 inet static (and accompanying definitions) if iface eth0 inet dhcp fails to retrieve a working lease? |
| 06:25.04 | enouf | songer: i dd'd my / FS over |
| 06:25.06 | MoL0ToV | i have 2 of this disks in softweare raid config |
| 06:25.32 | enouf | mounted it as ro in single mode prior |
| 06:25.33 | hoo-hah | that is, without manually commenting (on/off) the two scenarios? |
| 06:26.28 | enouf | MoL0ToV: then AHCI mode should help ,,, but i hope you're using mdadm and not dmraid nor some other variant |
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| 06:27.06 | enouf | MoL0ToV: see lbs.sourceforge.net and run some tests |
| 06:27.22 | hoo-hah | ccd is a nice alternative |
| 06:27.25 | MoL0ToV | enouf: i want a stable system, is a server |
| 06:27.53 | enouf | MoL0ToV: wait ,, you showed one drive |
| 06:28.03 | enouf | oh |
| 06:28.16 | enouf | no matter .. mdadm is stable |
| 06:28.18 | MoL0ToV | yes, the other is same model |
| 06:28.42 | nkuttler | hoo-hah: why would dhcp fail? |
| 06:28.46 | MoL0ToV | ok so i mantain the sata driver, not the ahci |
| 06:28.52 | MoL0ToV | for the moment |
| 06:29.17 | enouf | MoL0ToV: pastebin lspci -nnk and lsmod output |
| 06:29.23 | MoL0ToV | with not raid config, the ahci is more fast than sata driver? |
| 06:29.43 | enouf | depends on the controller and disks |
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| 06:30.34 | enouf | but if both are connected to "MoL0ToV> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller~" then AHCI is the move |
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| 06:30.43 | alinuxd555555556 | hi how to use command route to add a route for a specific source, I see that I can only add destination -host or -net |
| 06:30.51 | MoL0ToV | http://www.pastebin.ca/1464508 |
| 06:31.08 | enouf | since Intel brought AHCI to market |
| 06:31.24 | nkuttler | alinuxd555555556: for a single ip? |
| 06:32.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.38 | alinuxd555555556 | nkuttler, I have two ISPs I want one system on my LAN to get SNATTED through a the secondary ISP |
| 06:33.15 | MoL0ToV | here the speed http://www.pastebin.ca/1464511 |
| 06:33.25 | enouf | libata 140416 2 ata_piix,ata_generic scsi_mod 129324 5 sbp2,sg,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata dock 8304 1 libata |
| 06:33.40 | enouf | custom kernel? |
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| 06:34.01 | MoL0ToV | no is default config i think |
| 06:34.06 | MoL0ToV | not custom |
| 06:34.15 | enouf | MoL0ToV: what mdadm level? |
| 06:34.26 | MoL0ToV | raid leve you mean? |
| 06:34.31 | enouf | yes |
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| 06:34.35 | MoL0ToV | raid1 |
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| 06:34.52 | enouf | or other ,,, if NOT using mdadm .. are you? |
| 06:36.11 | enouf | right ; /dev/md1 |
| 06:37.22 | enouf | that's decent speeds -- if you lose PATA attached device support via enabling AHCI then switch back |
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| 06:37.43 | MoL0ToV | i have no pata devices |
| 06:37.50 | enouf | though your kernel should have pata_* modules avail |
| 06:37.51 | MoL0ToV | also the dvd burner is sata |
| 06:38.12 | enouf | better all around .. it should be then |
| 06:38.30 | enouf | see linux-ata.org |
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| 06:38.53 | MoL0ToV | so how to enable ahci and disable ata_piix? |
| 06:39.02 | enouf | BIOS |
| 06:39.04 | MoL0ToV | usually i use monolitic kernel |
| 06:39.11 | MoL0ToV | ah, ok |
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| 06:39.22 | MoL0ToV | is all automatic |
| 06:39.30 | MoL0ToV | i try to reboot |
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| 06:39.49 | MoL0ToV | and compare the speeds |
| 06:39.52 | MoL0ToV | thanks |
| 06:39.57 | enouf | your BIOS might only offer RAID mode under SATA drive settings |
| 06:40.26 | enouf | which itself should enable AHCI |
| 06:40.26 | MoL0ToV | is a award bios, gigabyte |
| 06:40.41 | MoL0ToV | i love award bioses :) |
| 06:40.54 | enouf | many Mainboards are shit nowadays |
| 06:41.29 | MoL0ToV | yes |
| 06:41.53 | enouf | vendor OEM proprietary crapp |
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| 06:43.01 | jony123 | what would happen if i connected two devices to the serial port? |
| 06:43.02 | MoL0ToV | the problem is that the oems customize the bios to make work the machine only with vista by default... acer, hp etc. |
| 06:43.02 | shodan45 | enouf, thanks for earlier, turned out it was something completely different :/ |
| 06:43.48 | enouf | MoL0ToV: the problem is .. they suck ass, and there's more Sheeple than not |
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| 06:45.27 | MoL0ToV | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno lol :D |
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| 07:05.36 | anddam | I can't understand this: I check a keycode with showkey -m, this is the supposed to show the translated character, I get 67 and 44 for press and release events |
| 07:05.53 | anddam | but if I check dumpkeys for those keycodes I see totally different chars |
| 07:06.24 | anddam | that is the console is actually printing an iacute for keycode 44 but dumpkeys show "keycode 44 = z" |
| 07:06.28 | anddam | and this isn't correct |
| 07:06.55 | anddam | am I looking at the wrong keymap with dumpkeys? |
| 07:07.39 | Entroacceptor | I'm failing at installing libghc6-hdbc-sqlite3-dev |
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| 07:09.40 | Entroacceptor | does it look broken for anyone else, too? |
| 07:09.54 | nkuttler | !tell Entroacceptor about errors |
| 07:11.50 | hark | Entroacceptor: which version of debian? |
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| 07:13.08 | Entroacceptor | it's a mix of stable, testing and unstable... |
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| 07:13.21 | nkuttler | Entroacceptor: ... |
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| 07:14.29 | hark | !bobbit |
| 07:15.08 | hark | aww |
| 07:15.27 | jelly-home | "bobbitt" |
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| 07:17.00 | cantido | Entroacceptor: I gues you're problem is from mixing.. |
| 07:17.27 | Entroacceptor | it wants to downgrade ghc even if I try to install the unstable version of the lib |
| 07:17.27 | hark | anyways, seems to be broken in sid, will work with a ghc6 from testing |
| 07:18.07 | hark | judd: depends libghc6-hdbc-sqlite3-dev |
| 07:18.09 | judd | hark: libghc6-hdbc-sqlite3-dev -- Depends: libghc6-hdbc-dev (>= 1.1.6.2), ghc6 (>= 6.8.2dfsg1-1), ghc6 (<< 6.8.2dfsg1+), libghc6-hdbc-dev (<< 1.1.6.2+), libghc6-mtl-dev (>= 1.1.0.0-2), libghc6-mtl-dev (<< 1.1.0.0+), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.3) |
| 07:18.09 | Entroacceptor | so, I downgraded it |
| 07:18.11 | cantido | Entroacceptor: it being? |
| 07:18.25 | Entroacceptor | cantido: everything... |
| 07:18.28 | Entroacceptor | from haskell |
| 07:18.38 | cantido | Entroacceptor: I mean aptitude or apt? |
| 07:18.54 | Entroacceptor | aptitude |
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| 07:20.22 | cantido | Entroacceptor: try taking stable out of your source first. Having stable + testing is just going to cause problems, testing + unstable is generally ok from my experience |
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| 07:21.07 | hark | Entroacceptor: won't work with ghc6 from sid |
| 07:21.21 | Entroacceptor | thanks, hark |
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| 07:21.40 | Entroacceptor | and with stable the setup.lhs bails out with an error |
| 07:21.59 | Entroacceptor | taking out stable? |
| 07:22.12 | Entroacceptor | that'd suck |
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| 07:22.39 | Entroacceptor | but I'll try it |
| 07:22.42 | Entroacceptor | thanks, cantido |
| 07:22.43 | nkuttler | Entroacceptor: if you mix stable, testing and unstable your system will probably more stable if you upgrade to testing |
| 07:22.45 | sshinobi | greets |
| 07:23.01 | sshinobi | I need help with a bridged wifi connection |
| 07:23.09 | hark | !bobbitt |
| 07:23.09 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 07:23.14 | sshinobi | I think I have everything set up on the debian side |
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| 07:24.46 | jigp | how to enable wireless? |
| 07:25.12 | Entroacceptor | wow, that's a lot of stuff it wants to upgrade now :/ |
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| 07:25.30 | sshinobi | no... I'm running a bridged wifi connection to a macintosh iMac, which is then hardlined to a debian machine. |
| 07:25.37 | Entroacceptor | and if you discard this haskell stuff, the system runs pretty stable |
| 07:25.39 | jigp | if you install ubuntu 9.04, you can have directly have wireless connection and you can select which wireless hotspot you wanna connect |
| 07:25.49 | jigp | how to enable wireless in debian? |
| 07:26.00 | sshinobi | I configured interfaces, and ran ifup -a and looking at ifconfig |
| 07:26.09 | sshinobi | I just need to get online now |
| 07:26.16 | sshinobi | and start communicating to the net |
| 07:26.40 | Entroacceptor | anyway, thanks so far |
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| 07:27.52 | sshinobi | I want the debian machine to recieve packets from the internet. |
| 07:27.59 | sshinobi | through the imac |
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| 07:29.49 | nkuttler | jigp: /msg dpkg wireless |
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| 07:30.39 | nkuttler | sshinobi: sounds like an #osx question to me. macs can do dhcp |
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| 07:31.12 | sshinobi | I thought so, and I think I have it up |
| 07:31.19 | sshinobi | but its not recieving stuff |
| 07:31.27 | tingle | hi i did a base install with xorg and fluxbox but now i dont have sound. i know i can fix this by installing alsa-utils or alsa-base not sure. but my question is: is this really the most minimal way to do it? |
| 07:31.29 | cantido | sshinobi: have you checked with tcpdump? |
| 07:31.29 | sshinobi | ok, thanks for the direction@ |
| 07:32.23 | nkuttler | tingle: well, i guess you could try the old oss drivers |
| 07:32.31 | cantido | tingle: why would xorg or fluxbox enable sound? |
| 07:32.51 | tingle | cantido: sorry i dont understand your question |
| 07:32.54 | tingle | nkuttler: googling now |
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| 07:33.28 | cantido | tingle: You need to check that you sound hardware is seen (lspci), check its got some drive loaded (lsmod) and maybe install the alsa utils |
| 07:34.01 | tingle | cantido: lspci doesnt work.. perhaps i still need to install it? because i only did a minmal base install |
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| 07:34.25 | cantido | tingle: pciutils |
| 07:34.33 | tingle | cantido: ty |
| 07:34.41 | Decepticon | what is the process of adding a new user for immediate use in pptpd vpn? I tried editing /etc/ppp/chap-secrets and restarting pptpd, but it didn't seem to work |
| 07:34.42 | cantido | tingle: being too minimal might cause issues in the long run ;~ |
| 07:35.39 | tingle | cantido: yes probably but this is just to try it out.. maybe ill do a almost default install if i dont like it |
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| 07:36.23 | tingle | must say i should have done this along time ago now i really love my notebook again when it ran winxp i kinda disliked it |
| 07:36.26 | tingle | hehe |
| 07:36.29 | cantido | tingle: well, sound comes from alsa in the kernel and is controlled by the userland tools |
| 07:36.35 | cantido | tingle: so.. |
| 07:36.47 | tingle | cantido: userland tool == alsa-utils? |
| 07:37.26 | cantido | tingle: indeed, alsa-base includes the init scripts to reset the volume and stuff at boot though |
| 07:37.51 | cantido | tingle: I'm not sure if alsa-base is involved in loading the right driver.. maybe |
| 07:38.01 | tingle | cantido: iirc not |
| 07:38.35 | cantido | thats how I'd assume it would be to be honest.. |
| 07:38.53 | tingle | cantido: ok thanks for your help |
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| 07:39.05 | tingle | cantido: how do you got your debian installed? |
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| 07:39.36 | cantido | anyhow, you didn't mention what apps you tested for sound. Considering everyone likes to write their own sound api's for no good reason you might find sound comes out some places, not others.. silly stuff like that |
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| 07:40.18 | lunar | I've got a file that can't be deleted because it says "Stale NFS file handle". How might I get rid of it? |
| 07:41.08 | cantido | tingle: I've probably installed debian 100 or so times.. I probably have 30 machines running it right now,.. in 3 or 4 different countries. So, install methods have varied. |
| 07:41.39 | tingle | cantido: but prolly as server and not as desktop? |
| 07:42.24 | cantido | tingle: I've used debian on all my desktops and laptops since woody |
| 07:42.33 | tingle | cantido: thats nice |
| 07:42.47 | cantido | used AmigaOS before that :) |
| 07:43.05 | tingle | ^^ |
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| 07:43.29 | cantido | tingle: I still have a machine that was originally woody and is now lenny.. so the upgrade path really works :) |
| 07:44.10 | tingle | woot that a huge update |
| 07:44.26 | tingle | i would have formated it and install lenny though.. nice and clean ;x |
| 07:44.46 | cantido | yeah, keep up that defragging |
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| 07:45.19 | tingle | ^^ defragging on ext3 ;x |
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| 07:51.41 | raclure | hi there |
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| 07:54.06 | GergOGerdy | hi? |
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| 07:55.39 | jigp | cantido : how to use ipconfig/ifconfig in debian? |
| 07:55.54 | jigp | seems like ipconfig/ifconfig not working |
| 07:56.02 | jigp | even sudo ipconfig |
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| 07:58.43 | cantido | tem |
| 07:58.47 | cantido | oops |
| 07:58.50 | cantido | jigp: ifconfig works like it normally does.. iirc its part of the base system |
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| 08:01.57 | GergOGerdy | hello, i'm setting up a home web server for learning how to host my website. I have decided to use debian (although i have also looked at centOS, any opinions on which to use would be nice) and was wondering if there is a preferred control panel for use with debian. i came across ehcp, although it looked old, cpanel isnt free although i have used it and it has a nice gui. otherwise, most control panels i come across seem to be custom to ot |
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| 08:02.31 | torgrim | your long line got truncated GergOGerdy |
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| 08:02.46 | GergOGerdy | thanks torgrim, what was the last part before truncation? |
| 08:02.49 | bookmark | hello |
| 08:02.50 | torgrim | i think most people prefer /etc/apache2 instead of a webgui |
| 08:02.54 | torgrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.09 | ham5 | webmin |
| 08:03.14 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: i don't think #debian supports any control panels |
| 08:03.20 | nkuttler | certainly not webmin |
| 08:03.20 | cantido | GergOGerdy: There aren't any in Debian, as in the standard packages, control panels really suck though |
| 08:03.21 | GergOGerdy | "otherwise, most control panels i come across seem to be custom to other peoples servers. |
| 08:03.37 | bookmark | is there supposed to be a kernel in here somewhere?: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-0.93R6/binary/ ? |
| 08:04.09 | GergOGerdy | what would you suggest otherwise. torgrim, why do you suggest apache2? |
| 08:04.22 | torgrim | GergOGerdy: apache2 is the webserver.. |
| 08:04.26 | ham5 | dont think you would want it if their was bookmark |
| 08:04.26 | martin12345 | am I right that outer tracks of HDD have more sectrors than inner tracks of HDD? |
| 08:04.29 | ham5 | try kernel.org |
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| 08:04.38 | bookmark | thanks |
| 08:04.50 | cantido | GergOGerdy: If your site is small you can just get away with installing lighttpd and sticking your stuff in /var/www |
| 08:04.55 | jelly | bookmark: what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:05.06 | Jianjun | hi, I met a problem ,when i install a large package by apt-get ,i happens timeout error. |
| 08:05.15 | bookmark | i want to compile linux 1.0 |
| 08:05.19 | GergOGerdy | sorry, i'm new to servers, thus the wanting to learn. i guess i'm confused as to how to handle and work with the server on a client side if theres no gui |
| 08:05.36 | cantido | GergOGerdy: ssh |
| 08:05.39 | bookmark | it has the date as 1993 though |
| 08:05.40 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: apache isn't hard to configure using a text editor |
| 08:05.47 | Jianjun | it exists https in source list |
| 08:05.54 | bookmark | sorry march 13, 1994 |
| 08:06.06 | bookmark | but you need an old gcc |
| 08:06.13 | cantido | nkuttler: apache is overkill for "my first webserver" ;) |
| 08:06.19 | nkuttler | Jianjun: try a different mirror? |
| 08:06.23 | torgrim | why cantido ? ;) |
| 08:06.23 | nkuttler | cantido: it wasn't for me |
| 08:06.31 | torgrim | apache2 is pretty lightweight also |
| 08:06.32 | bookmark | [ ]pablo[ gcc-2.6.3-4.deb09-Oct-1995 00:00 2.1M |
| 08:06.34 | torgrim | and good to learn |
| 08:06.56 | bookmark | i guess i could just tryin installing that in lenny |
| 08:06.57 | nkuttler | apt-get install apache2 gives you a working server anyway |
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| 08:07.15 | jelly | bookmark: don't even bother, that won't work |
| 08:07.30 | GergOGerdy | cantido: it is a small site. but buying the domain and all is more learning my way around webservers and although it is all simple small things now, i want get more indepth and complex things as i go and instead of changing OS and all, would like to start with something i can continue with in the future |
| 08:07.52 | cantido | nkuttler: If you're serving lots of content apache makes since, otherwise lighttpd or maybe tighttpd are more sensible |
| 08:07.53 | jelly | bookmark: create a separate virtual machine and install some old enough distro in it |
| 08:08.07 | torgrim | GergOGerdy: apache2 will serve static content out of the box. also if you want to learn i think apache2 is a great place to start |
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| 08:08.08 | nkuttler | cantido: if you want to re-learn stuff later.. |
| 08:08.29 | torgrim | i never had any experience with lighthttpd, but it dont really see the point in it ;) |
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| 08:08.46 | nkuttler | it's quite fast |
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| 08:08.55 | cantido | torgrim: not using lots and lots of resources for serving text |
| 08:08.57 | torgrim | it was a problem with apache1.3 that it was a memory hog |
| 08:08.59 | danielito | is there a curl-package for php 4.4.7 in debian? |
| 08:09.01 | bookmark | yes i can't find an old enough one though |
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| 08:09.10 | torgrim | well, apache dosent really use much for serving text either.. |
| 08:09.20 | nkuttler | apache1 has been obsolete for quite some time |
| 08:09.26 | jigp | contido : /$ ifconfig |
| 08:09.27 | jigp | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
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| 08:09.33 | themill | danielito: php4 is not in debian, so no. |
| 08:09.36 | bookmark | i find buzz right here which is near the same vintage but how do i wget it? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 08:09.39 | sshinobi | Hmmm... ifconfig sees my eth0 interface |
| 08:09.41 | torgrim | jigp: run as root, or give it /sbin/ifconfig |
| 08:09.41 | themill | jigp: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 08:09.41 | nkuttler | jigp: /sbin/ |
| 08:09.42 | bookmark | i can't understand wget |
| 08:09.50 | danielito | themill: what? then obviously I'm using a pretty old version |
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| 08:09.56 | jelly | danielito: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:09.57 | sshinobi | but dig doesn't find google.com |
| 08:10.04 | cantido | torgrim: mmm by default there are lots and lots of modules loaded... |
| 08:10.14 | jelly | danielito: it's still present in etch (oldstable) |
| 08:10.26 | bookmark | oh nevermind, i get signal |
| 08:10.28 | bookmark | yay |
| 08:10.30 | torgrim | cantido: jeh but still.. if its a low traffic site, you will never notice anyway |
| 08:10.44 | themill | jelly: 4.4.*7* is not 4.4.4 is |
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| 08:11.00 | danielito | who asked about 4.4.4.? |
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| 08:11.06 | sshinobi | internet sharing is turned on my imac, but beyond that, I don't know what processes my debian machine sees from the link. |
| 08:11.08 | jelly | danielito did. |
| 08:11.13 | jelly | not. |
| 08:11.15 | danielito | heh |
| 08:11.28 | themill | danielito: how did you install this version of php? |
| 08:11.38 | nkuttler | sshinobi: really, all you need to do on the linux side is to run dhclient, if that doesn't work try #macosx |
| 08:11.42 | jelly | judd: versions php4-curl |
| 08:11.43 | judd | jelly: php4-curl -- etch: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 etch-security: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 |
| 08:11.52 | sshinobi | ok, thanks |
| 08:12.16 | jelly | danielito: so again, which release of debian are you using? |
| 08:12.17 | nkuttler | sshinobi: assuming your interface is up |
| 08:12.29 | sshinobi | I run ifconfig and eth0 is up |
| 08:12.34 | sshinobi | er... I can see it |
| 08:12.39 | sshinobi | so I'm assuming its up |
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| 08:12.56 | nkuttler | sshinobi: dhclient should give you some output |
| 08:13.03 | danielito | jelly: well. actually it's not me, that's the problem. it's the server of a hoster who tells me he cannot install it for me |
| 08:13.09 | danielito | because there is no debian package |
| 08:13.20 | danielito | I expect it to be a quite old release |
| 08:13.28 | sshinobi | no working leases |
| 08:13.35 | sshinobi | going to the mac side |
| 08:13.44 | jelly | danielito: they seem to not use debian packages in the first place |
| 08:13.55 | themill | danielito: he's right because you specified php 4.4.7. But if you installed php4 from the debian archives then you can instal the php4-curl package from the debian archives. |
| 08:14.00 | danielito | jelly: it's using 4.0 |
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| 08:15.11 | GergOGerdy | which debian would you recommend? i was thinking 5 but maybe i'm wrong? |
| 08:15.42 | jelly | danielito: if you can run something like "apt-cache policy php4", it might shed some light on where they got their packages from |
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| 08:16.13 | jigp | torgrim themill nkutter : it works but i dont see wireless there..how to install wireless?i downloaded lenny 5 full cd but when i do "sudo apgt-install wlan-wireless" "commandn ot found" |
| 08:16.26 | themill | enouf: judd is right though; linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 is in sid but so is linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 still points to the .29 package. |
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| 08:16.42 | nkuttler | jigp: typing it right would be a good start |
| 08:16.56 | bookmark | ok so.... buzz doesn't even have a kernel is basically the state of things? |
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| 08:17.14 | nkuttler | jigp: and you probably want wireless-tools |
| 08:17.19 | themill | jigp: making up package names can be fun, but it doesn't usually help. |
| 08:18.10 | danielito | jelly: Installed (none). so obviously they compiled the PHP from source anyway |
| 08:18.31 | nkuttler | danielito: they shouldn't advertise it as debian then.. |
| 08:18.37 | danielito | I wonder why they wanna install the libraries from the repository |
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| 08:18.53 | jigp | nkuttler themill : when i install ubuntu 9.04, i have no problem with wireless it is built-in installed.but i dont want to use ubuntu now |
| 08:19.25 | nkuttler | jigp: figure out chipset, load kernel module, get firmware if necessary, done |
| 08:20.09 | jigp | ok gotta google how to ifconfig the wlan |
| 08:20.18 | nkuttler | jigp: IWconfig |
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| 08:21.27 | jigp | nkuttler : IWconfig |
| 08:21.29 | jigp | bash: IWconfig: command not found |
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| 08:21.43 | torgrim | its iwconfig |
| 08:21.49 | jigp | nkuttler : /$ /sbin/IWconfig |
| 08:21.51 | jigp | bash: /sbin/IWconfig: No such file or directory |
| 08:22.01 | torgrim | iw not IW |
| 08:22.07 | GergOGerdy | the debian site says it takes 5 dvds for installing, is there a way to cut down on this? or is everything needed during initial install? |
| 08:22.22 | torgrim | GergOGerdy: just use the first cd, or the netinstall. |
| 08:22.26 | nkuttler | !tell GergOGerdy about netinst |
| 08:22.29 | jigp | IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm |
| 08:22.36 | jigp | its 802.11 |
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| 08:24.43 | hark | jigp: why not use something like network manager? |
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| 08:26.54 | jigp | hark : i only see System>Preferences>Network manager editor |
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| 08:28.23 | hark | i think it's there by default now, run "nm-applet" from a terminal.. what do you get? |
| 08:29.59 | Tapout | enouf, are you around |
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| 08:30.17 | Seb | so, now in xorg when you plug-in an additional keyboard, after modifying a couple things through xmodmap for the default keyboard, the new one still has the default layout ? |
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| 08:31.29 | Kazuha | Are there any tools to convert A/V streams in M$ proprietary codecs to FOSS, or at least less bloody stupid codecs? |
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| 08:32.16 | Kazuha | Or at the minimum, play them? (Specifically, WMAP.) |
| 08:32.25 | Kazuha | On an AMD64. |
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| 08:33.40 | Decepticon | whats the correct format for putting ip addresses into /etc/ppp/chap-secrets , the fourth field called ip addresses? can it be like this: 12.130.88.0-12.130.88.255,62.32.35.32-62.32.35.127 |
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| 08:34.55 | DDevine | Kazuha: yes there is and it is very popular (mac osx uses the same thing) but I forget what it is called. |
| 08:35.00 | GergOGerdy | hello, i'm looking to download netinst however, i'm not sure which to download. i.e. alpha, i386, etc how do i know? |
| 08:35.29 | Seb | ah, found the bug in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/287215 |
| 08:35.36 | Seb | dunno if debian's got it filed |
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| 08:35.46 | DDevine | GergOGerdy: What CPU are you going to run it on? |
| 08:36.17 | GergOGerdy | DDevine: uhh not sure? how do i tell? i just bought a pentium 4 off someone |
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| 08:36.25 | DDevine | i386 |
| 08:36.44 | DDevine | Intel stuff is all X86 (i386) |
| 08:36.51 | DDevine | AMD is the same |
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| 08:37.18 | DDevine | though the 64bit processors from AMD and intel are x86_64 |
| 08:37.30 | DDevine | wow I explained it really badly. |
| 08:37.35 | DDevine | but yeah. |
| 08:37.52 | DDevine | Pentium 4 = i386 |
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| 08:38.01 | phix | hey |
| 08:38.04 | GergOGerdy | DDevine: haha ok thank you very much |
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| 08:39.06 | phix | I have a lenny i386 installation, I recently moved the HDD from a 32bit to a 64bit box. ANy way to "upgrade" debian to x64? do I just install the amd64 kernel? or is it more involved than that? |
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| 08:39.56 | DDevine | phix I think you can do that but just back up your data and fresh install. Less problems. |
| 08:41.23 | DDevine | if you separated your home partition from your root partition you can just be careful and you won't have to back up (though if you have the means please back up) |
| 08:41.34 | GergOGerdy | Thanks for all the help everyone. Have a good one |
| 08:42.00 | phix | DDevine: no that would take ~4hrs to do |
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| 08:45.42 | Kazuha | Also, any reason why there isn't the gstreamer-pitfdll package for the AMD64 arch? |
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| 08:46.00 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: probably |
| 08:46.21 | Kazuha | I mean other than the source not compiling. |
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| 08:47.18 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: do you have the contrib sources? |
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| 08:47.47 | Kazuha | I got the source from here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/gstreamer0.10-pitfdll |
| 08:47.53 | Kazuha | But it won't compile. |
| 08:47.55 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 08:47.57 | sobersabre | hi. I want to run 'find' on a pattern of filenames, but I need to tell it what characters are NOT allowed. |
| 08:48.06 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: So, you disregard my question and say something else? |
| 08:48.15 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: In your apt-sources, do you have "contrib" |
| 08:48.21 | sobersabre | I mean find ./ -iname "^\.*" i.e. not the .dotfiles. |
| 08:48.22 | Kazuha | Oh. |
| 08:48.25 | sobersabre | is there a syntax for this ? |
| 08:48.44 | sobersabre | for "negative" pattern |
| 08:49.12 | Kazuha | I thought your question was a different question. |
| 08:49.44 | Kazuha | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib (also testing). |
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| 08:50.33 | antii | Hmm, If i got two drivers in my computer, (1 systemdrive) and the rest for like samba, how can i configure so it will save data on the other disk? :P |
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| 08:51.17 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: why do you have multiple sources? |
| 08:51.30 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: are you using apt-pinning? |
| 08:51.48 | Kazuha | I sometimes grab something from stable when the testing version breaks. |
| 08:51.59 | Kazuha | "apt-pinning"? What's that? |
| 08:52.38 | OpenTokix | Kazuha: It's to keep different versions of package from the right source - losely explained |
| 08:52.46 | OpenTokix | !dpkg pinning |
| 08:52.46 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 08:53.19 | Kazuha | More or less. |
| 08:53.32 | Kazuha | Although I usually use whatever's in Testing. |
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| 08:57.03 | paxcoder | sobersabre: doesn't the example you've given work? |
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| 08:59.37 | Kazuha | Is there any convenient way to add i386 programs on an AMD64 architecture? |
| 09:00.12 | Kazuha | Also, how does one apply the .diff manually? |
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| 09:00.19 | prophet | i doubt it |
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| 09:01.47 | jigp | how to show all wireless names? |
| 09:01.56 | gunkamanti | hi, i added the line "deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free restricted" to my sources.list (as specified on debian-unofficial.org), in order to get lame, but apt-get gives a 404 on http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-amd64/Packages etc. what can i do? |
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| 09:02.11 | jigp | so that i could select which wireless hotspot is available |
| 09:02.13 | gunkamanti | jigp: you mean the SSIDs? |
| 09:02.22 | the_gamer | hi folks, i've configured stunnel and i'm trying to start it. "/etc/init.d/stunnel4 start" gives NO output not even starting... is echoed. the log is also empty. why could that be and how to solve it? |
| 09:02.25 | gunkamanti | jigp:ii do this with nm-applet |
| 09:02.31 | gunkamanti | s/ii/i |
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| 09:03.04 | sobersabre | paxcoder: no, my example does, but it does permit directories that start in . |
| 09:03.17 | sobersabre | I'd like to skip them too. |
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| 09:04.05 | Kazuha | I'm beginning to think that there should be a law making the makers/owners of proprietary formats responsible for misuse of them. |
| 09:04.19 | Kazuha | *THAT* would fix 90% of the problem. |
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| 09:07.06 | Kazuha | I really don't get this. |
| 09:07.20 | Kazuha | Its 2009 -- 64 bit computers are the *norm*. |
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| 09:07.32 | Phasy13 | Kazuha no they aren't |
| 09:07.44 | torgrim | machines are. but not software ;) |
| 09:07.48 | Phasy13 | yeap |
| 09:07.51 | Kazuha | Why then does MS continue to make things only/primarily for 32bit machines? |
| 09:07.58 | Phasy13 | most of the people still use 32 software |
| 09:08.10 | sshinobi | how do I specify where dhclient sends its dhcpdiscover probes to? It says its sending it to 255.255.255.255 but thats not my gateway... |
| 09:08.15 | Kazuha | And 99% of them don't even realize it. |
| 09:08.24 | torgrim | i dont want 64bit at home, because it always have some kind of problem |
| 09:08.29 | torgrim | like flash didnt work |
| 09:08.42 | Phasy13 | Kazuha it's hard to port all software into 64 bits and it's not worth the effort |
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| 09:08.50 | torgrim | sshinobi: 255.255.255.255 is broadcast, it asks your network for a dhcp server |
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| 09:09.05 | Phasy13 | It's easier to use 32 and continue developing there |
| 09:09.07 | torgrim | sshinobi: so its correct ;) |
| 09:09.08 | sshinobi | oh... |
| 09:09.09 | sshinobi | ok |
| 09:09.16 | mamalujo | what are the relevabt configurations one needs to do for unicode characters to be displayed properly in my terminal emulator? i see them correctly in pure console and in GUI filemanager. they worked properly till few days ago not sure what I changed, maybe some aptitude safe-upgrade.. rtorrent still displays correctly though, but maybe because I havent restarted it in a while. |
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| 09:09.26 | sulphur | somebody help with 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
| 09:10.38 | sshinobi | I'm still wondering if I have the linux side of connection right |
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| 09:12.02 | hans_ | i set up pptpd but i am not able to connect from vista to the vpn. how do i check if i set up correct? |
| 09:12.12 | mamalujo | umlauts and some slavic diactirics are mangled. my locale settings were POSIX, and mpd suddenly started refusing to read some files with umlauts in filenames. changing locales to en_US.utf8 made mpd work fine again, but they are still rendered incorrectly |
| 09:12.42 | hans_ | i followed http://www.ducea.com/2008/06/19/setting-up-a-pptp-vpn-server-on-debian-etch/ |
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| 09:17.08 | mamalujo | I also cannot type them in the terminal emulator, though I can normally in a GUI text editor etc |
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| 09:28.07 | mib_ayycqpkx | hey can anyone help me regaarding with adding tasks in taskshell |
| 09:28.15 | mib_ayycqpkx | hey can anyone help me regaarding with adding tasks in *tasksel |
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| 09:30.12 | jelly | mib_ayycqpkx: is that you Perry? |
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| 09:30.32 | mib_ayycqpkx | jelly;yes now i am at my college on debian.... |
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| 09:33.29 | nirupaam | when I do ./configure make make install for apache2 source I find a folder is /usr/local/apache2 |
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| 09:34.00 | nirupaam | but when I do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -sa I dont find any such folder called apache2 |
| 09:34.04 | nirupaam | how to do that |
| 09:34.34 | themill | nirupaam: what's the real problem that you're trying to solve here? |
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| 09:34.39 | mib_ayycqpkx | hey can anyone help me regaarding with adding tasks in tasksel... i have added a task but i get some errors. |
| 09:35.16 | nirupaam | themill, I want to know whether ./configure make make install and deb package installation ways vary |
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| 09:35.40 | nirupaam | will by deb package not create the same files that ./configure make make install generates |
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| 09:36.44 | themill | nirupaam: the file system layout will be different in the .deb package (e.g. debian *never* puts anything in /usr/local) |
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| 09:37.03 | hatter1 | I was just upgrading from etch to lenny and got up to the ssh section and it putty crashed, now the the machine is half way through the upgrade, can i connect to a putty session or take over the session that crashed ? |
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| 09:37.18 | nirupaam | themill, yes now I want to know how can i ask my deb to behave as ./configure make make install does/ |
| 09:37.22 | petemc | hatter1: were you using screen? |
| 09:37.31 | themill | nirupaam: why? |
| 09:37.32 | hatter1 | petemc, unfortunately.... no. |
| 09:37.46 | petemc | hatter1: you should be able safely kill the processes and restart |
| 09:37.51 | petemc | +to |
| 09:37.56 | nirupaam | themill, because i have got a third party software which need to go into /usr/local |
| 09:37.57 | hatter1 | petemc, ok thx |
| 09:38.10 | mib_ayycqpkx | hey can anyone help me regaarding with adding tasks in tasksel... i have added a task but i get some errors. |
| 09:38.10 | nirupaam | and php should be accessing it throug /usr/local |
| 09:38.40 | tingle | when i use putty on a win32 system i can click on a link in irc and i opens automaticly in firefox. is this also possible in a xterm? |
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| 09:39.00 | themill | nirupaam: it's a php pecl/.so or a php library or something? |
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| 09:40.35 | mib_ayycqpkx | hey can anyone help me regaarding with adding tasks in tasksel... i have added some tasks but i get some errors and i am not able to install the packages in the tasks |
| 09:40.41 | themill | tingle: probably not directly within xterm but some other terminal emulators will do this or you can use a clipboard manager like klipper that will recognise that it's a URL when you highlight it and offer to do that. |
| 09:40.48 | bookmark | haha! i found it |
| 09:40.50 | bookmark | http://mirror.debianforum.de/debian-iso-archive/hamm/i386/debian-2.0r0-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 09:40.55 | bookmark | debian 2.0 |
| 09:41.04 | bookmark | the first debian iso ever |
| 09:41.08 | tingle | themill: thanks so xterm is to basic for this option? |
| 09:41.11 | themill | dpkg: tell mib_ayycqpkx about repeat |
| 09:41.26 | themill | tingle: err rather. I don't know that xterm has changed since the invention of the web browser |
| 09:42.02 | peterS | xterm is actively maintained |
| 09:42.17 | peterS | when the web browser was invented, xterm did not support double-wide character sets or antialiased fonts |
| 09:42.25 | themill | hehe |
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| 09:45.09 | mib_ayycqpkx | hey can anyone help me regaarding with adding tasks in tasksel... i have added some tasks but i get some errors and i am not able to install the packages in the tasks |
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| 09:46.19 | serbz | pronounced "dee-bee-en" or "deb-i-an" |
| 09:46.59 | bookmark | di being |
| 09:47.18 | Phasy13 | i pronounce it de - bee - an |
| 09:47.34 | themill | mib_ayycqpkx: check the message that the dpkg bot sent you a few minutes and contemplate that for a bit. Try to be a bit more vague in your question if possible.... make sure we have to ask simple questions like "what's the error". Make sure it's as hard as possible for us to help you. |
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| 09:48.28 | whatsup | hi.. can tell me the comparison between debian and gentoo |
| 09:48.41 | whatsup | because i heard that gentoo is better |
| 09:49.01 | bookmark | neither one is good |
| 09:49.05 | bookmark | hehhehe |
| 09:49.11 | bzed | use windows! |
| 09:49.18 | bookmark | only windows2000 is good |
| 09:49.38 | petemc | serbz: deb-i-an |
| 09:49.39 | bzed | and os/2 |
| 09:50.01 | bookmark | yeah that is all right too |
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| 09:51.17 | mib_ayycqpkx | themill; actually i am not on xchat as it doesn't work as the port is blocked....so i am using mibbit.com ..so i can't see the bot message.. |
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| 09:51.48 | mib_ayycqpkx | themill... i'll paste the error in pastebin |
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| 09:54.48 | mib_ayycqpkx | themill; http://paste.ubuntu.com/198393/ |
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| 09:59.48 | mib_ayycqpkx | can anyone help me solve the error i received when i ran tasksel on my terminal after i added a .desc file. The error is pasted at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/198393/ |
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| 10:02.46 | mib_ayycqpkx | can anyone help me solve the error i received when i ran tasksel on my terminal after i added a .desc file. The error is pasted at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/198393/ |
| 10:03.25 | bookmark | ill bbiab |
| 10:03.38 | unop | mib_ayycqpkx, we ought to be looking at the .desc file really - something wrong with it |
| 10:03.39 | mib_ayycqpkx | themill; i did as the README file has instructed but i am getting errors....and there's no one to help locally |
| 10:04.01 | mib_ayycqpkx | unop; ok i'll paste it in pastebin |
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| 10:10.16 | dreamer | hi all, I wanted to install inkscape on my server to use with x |
| 10:10.19 | dreamer | x-forwarding |
| 10:10.40 | themill | dreamer: can you explain why you'd want to do that? |
| 10:11.05 | dreamer | now there was some dependency with uswsusp that couldn't be resolved because the kernel isn't compiled with 'CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y' |
| 10:11.15 | dreamer | themill: sorry, I pressed enter too soon |
| 10:11.16 | Phasy13 | are there any games similar to supertux? |
| 10:11.20 | antii | *_* |
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| 10:11.58 | dreamer | anyway, dpkg errored on this dependencies and is now locked on this error, how can I remove this? |
| 10:12.02 | wooj | Phasy13, you mean side-scrolling platformers? |
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| 10:12.04 | mib_8kq8g6a8 | unop; http://paste.ubuntu.com/198396/ |
| 10:12.18 | themill | dreamer: please pastebin the command and the entire output |
| 10:12.20 | Phasy13 | wooj yeah |
| 10:12.28 | Phasy13 | but the ones where you need more skillz |
| 10:12.31 | dreamer | inkscaape works without this dependency now, and I don't understand why it has to by installed with this user suspend |
| 10:12.34 | dreamer | themill: ok, lemme check |
| 10:12.35 | Phasy13 | supertux was too easy for me |
| 10:12.39 | wooj | Phasy13, http://www.secretmaryo.org/ |
| 10:12.54 | themill | dreamer: I still don't understand why you'd want to install inkscape on your server though |
| 10:13.43 | dreamer | themill: so I can work with it over x-forwarding on any computer and keep my files centralized .. I'm at the uni atm and can't install anything on these computers, X-forwarding is ideal for this |
| 10:14.05 | dreamer | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/m1a093a8e |
| 10:14.32 | themill | dreamer: that's a novel reason... I think I'd look to sshfs or using the gnome vfs or something to handle that instead though. |
| 10:15.08 | themill | dreamer: command and *entire* output.... can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -f install" |
| 10:15.33 | dreamer | ok |
| 10:15.54 | dreamer | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/m60d0141f |
| 10:16.21 | themill | mib_8kq8g6a8: is this the first time you'd have had to read technical documentation? You're obviously struggling with this task -- is it because you don't know how to read the documentation or are you struggling because the documentation is only available in English? |
| 10:16.22 | dreamer | I have never heard of sshfs or gnome vfs |
| 10:17.35 | dreamer | themill: I don't understand why sshfs or gnome vfs would solve this problem .. |
| 10:18.02 | themill | dreamer: you then wouldn't install anything X-like on your server at all |
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| 10:18.47 | dreamer | but I can't install anything on this uni-computer either .. so how can I use the programs I want? |
| 10:18.49 | themill | dreamer: x-forwarding isn't exactly fast, particularly for things like inkscape. It would normally be faster to copy the file back and forth. |
| 10:18.57 | themill | ahh |
| 10:19.02 | dreamer | it's fast here (100mbit fdx network) |
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| 10:20.10 | dreamer | anyway, it's good for what I use it for, just this dependency is kind of useless |
| 10:20.25 | dreamer | dpkg shouldn't fall over this |
| 10:20.25 | dpkg | dreamer: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:20.42 | themill | dreamer: how did you install inkscape? It shouldn't pull in udev |
| 10:20.50 | dreamer | sudo apt-get install inkscape |
| 10:20.54 | dreamer | nothing more, nothing less |
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| 10:21.18 | dreamer | the backlog of my terminal doesn't go back far enough to see what the initial output was |
| 10:22.25 | themill | dreamer: for future reference, sometimes stopping "recommends" from being installed is a good idea. Check the output of "aptitude why inkscape udev" on a lenny (or later) machine |
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| 10:22.53 | antii | hmm, if i want 64-bit debian, is it ia64 or amd64? |
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| 10:23.30 | dreamer | themill: ah, so without the recommended gnome-mount it wouldn't have created this mess |
| 10:23.32 | themill | antii: most likely amd64 |
| 10:23.43 | dreamer | but how can I get rid of this issue now? |
| 10:24.05 | themill | dreamer: yes. And btw using aptitude rather than apt-get is recommended (/msg dpkg aptitude) as it really helps in these situations. |
| 10:24.12 | dreamer | ok |
| 10:24.20 | dreamer | yeah I'm "old skool" like that ;) |
| 10:24.29 | dreamer | I've never gotten the hang of aptitude ;) |
| 10:24.40 | paxcoder | is there a way to list all packages that are installed via pinning, and to possibly remove them or replace with older versions? |
| 10:25.33 | mib_8kq8g6a8 | themill; the problem is that when i was in ubuntu i got the documentation related to ubuntu desktop...but in debian i haven't recieved any documentation. And one more thing is that i haven't understood the README in the ubuntu tasksel |
| 10:25.35 | themill | dreamer: just use it as a command-line drop in for apt-get; you can get fancier later. For starters, try "aptitude -f purge udev" and see what it proposes to do and if it can handle it |
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| 10:25.46 | marco__mk | hi all. I would submit (or see if a bug has alread been submitted) about the businesscard image.. how can i do? |
| 10:25.48 | bookmark | what up yall |
| 10:25.54 | marco__mk | *a bug |
| 10:25.58 | bookmark | hey did you guys ever see this? http://linux-ata.org/devel.html |
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| 10:26.49 | bookmark | nevermind, it was just kind of interesting |
| 10:26.57 | dreamer | themill: why not purge gnome-mount? |
| 10:27.00 | mib_8kq8g6a8 | themill; i have googled a lot on tasksel...i got very little information upon tasksel....so i didnt understand the concept at all........ |
| 10:27.40 | themill | dreamer: udev is the one causing the problems and uninstalling it will rip out gnome-mount too |
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| 10:28.06 | dreamer | ok |
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| 10:28.21 | dreamer | what is the score aptitude gives? |
| 10:28.25 | dreamer | it says 21 here |
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| 10:29.57 | hid3 | Hello everyone. This might not be a best place to ask but I'll try. Is there any tool in debian which would convert my OpenOffice text document to a PDF where all the text would become as images (so it'll be impossible to select or copy the text)? |
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| 10:30.50 | zinx | hid3: so that there are sub-par OCR'd copies of your material floating around? |
| 10:31.17 | themill | mib_8kq8g6a8: the README in the tasksel source packages for ubuntu and debian are identical. That is the best source of documentation there is. Between the examples tasks in the package and the README you've got all you need. I even told you the exact syntax to use for the "Packages" line yesterday and it's still not right. |
| 10:31.39 | marco__mk | hid3: your question is more about openoffice :P however.. look at here http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=31436 |
| 10:31.45 | themill | dreamer: never really pay much attention to it. |
| 10:32.53 | themill | hid3: yucky. No-one will really thank you for that (and the file size will balloon massively). But ghostscript should be able to do that for you if you want. |
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| 10:34.41 | hid3 | Uhm. Thanks. Will try everything until I'll find what will work for me! |
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| 10:39.02 | bookmark | hey what is the command to make a livecd? |
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| 10:40.00 | bookmark | live-magic nevermind |
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| 10:51.32 | dreamer | themill: it's not working: http://pastebin.com/m29d78bcf |
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| 10:55.18 | themill | dreamer: time to be more brutal then. "aptitude purge udev gnome-mount hal initramfs-tools" (btw running lenny without an initrd and udev isn't really a supported configuration these days -- I presume they're not needed in your VPS though) |
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| 10:59.12 | dreamer | themill: I'm running in an LXC on top of a 64bit Gentoo |
| 10:59.34 | dreamer | it's mighty fast that way :) |
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| 11:01.03 | themill | Hadn't realised that stuff was ready for real use yet. Nice. |
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| 11:01.36 | dreamer | hehe, well my friend decided to use it (it was exactly what we needed), and if it breaks .. more bugreports for the devs :) |
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| 11:01.51 | Orbixx | Is there a way I can remotely mount a device to a filesystem? |
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| 11:02.30 | petemc | Orbixx: what kind of device? |
| 11:02.31 | cantido | Orbixx: What device? Be more descriptive |
| 11:02.39 | Orbixx | Hard disk partition |
| 11:02.45 | cantido | Orbixx: NFS |
| 11:02.49 | petemc | yes, network file systems exist for that purpose |
| 11:02.51 | cantido | Orbixx: Samba |
| 11:02.58 | Orbixx | I mean, a standard filesystem like ext3. |
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| 11:03.11 | hargut | hello |
| 11:03.12 | petemc | Orbixx: yes, you abstract that through a network filesystem |
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| 11:03.27 | petemc | thats what they're for.. |
| 11:03.31 | hargut | is lib32gcc1 broken in sid? |
| 11:03.37 | petemc | hargut: check the bts |
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| 11:04.57 | cantido | Orbixx: you export some directory on one machine with NFS and then mount it somewhere on another machine.. the actually underlying fs doesnt matter. |
| 11:05.25 | hargut | petemc: bts seems to have no bugs according to my problem. |
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| 11:06.08 | petemc | hargut: if you're having a problem and you're reasonably sure its not your fault or a misunderstanding on your part, report it |
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| 11:06.43 | themill | hargut: lots of the 32bit compat libs are broken in sid atm... but since you haven't told us what the problem is, we can't tell you if that's the same problem |
| 11:06.56 | hargut | petemc: I'm not really sure if it's a misunderstanding of me or my fault. |
| 11:07.13 | hargut | trying to install lib32gcc1 fails with that message: |
| 11:07.16 | hargut | "lib32gcc1: Depends: libc6-i386 (>= 2.5) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 11:07.30 | hargut | ii libc6-i386 2.9-16 GNU C Library: 32bit shared libraries for AM |
| 11:07.44 | hargut | but libc6-i386 >= 2.5 is installed. |
| 11:07.45 | themill | !dbugs 533503 |
| 11:07.49 | dpkg | #533503:G[libc6-i386] libc6-i386 must use Breaks instead of Conflicts (); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:24:01 UTC [] |
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| 11:08.46 | cantido | Is there any reason that ant is still version 1.7? |
| 11:09.13 | antii | how do i update kernel on deb 64-bit to 2.6.30? |
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| 11:10.09 | themill | !dbugs 513799 |
| 11:10.14 | dpkg | #513799:W[ant] ant: new upstream version 1.7.1 (); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:15:01 UTC [] |
| 11:10.18 | themill | cantido: ^^ offering to help? |
| 11:10.25 | cantido | antii: 2.6.30 isn't in unstable yet, there are experimental build on the kernel build server though |
| 11:10.45 | themill | err... yes it is, but it might eat your firstborn |
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| 11:10.56 | cantido | themill: I'll create an updated package if someone will sponsor an upload.. however that works |
| 11:11.10 | themill | cantido: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 11:11.26 | antii | cantido: ok, when will it come to Lenny? |
| 11:11.29 | themill | judd versions linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 |
| 11:11.30 | judd | themill: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 -- sid: 2.6.30-1 |
| 11:11.47 | cantido | oh, its in sid now |
| 11:11.50 | antii | is it safe installing it on my lenny? |
| 11:11.58 | cantido | antii: why do you need it? |
| 11:12.02 | antii | why not upgrade? |
| 11:12.05 | antii | :P |
| 11:12.20 | cantido | antii: because it might not work with the rest of your setup |
| 11:12.27 | antii | Aha |
| 11:12.27 | hargut | themill: is there already a solution for that bug? |
| 11:12.44 | themill | antii: it will never be in lenny. /msg dpkg stable. It might however, get to backports.org one day but don't expect non-free drivers to work with it |
| 11:12.45 | cantido | antii: Don't fix what isn't broken blah blah |
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| 11:13.15 | themill | hargut: you could try downgrading libc and associated libraries. *might* work. You're the sid user... have fun with that. |
| 11:13.46 | hargut | themill: yes, fine - thanks. |
| 11:14.30 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:16.09 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:16.10 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+19 |
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| 11:16.55 | enouf | themill: why is judd showing that for sid if .30 has been in Sid for a week? Metapackage flakiness? |
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| 11:18.43 | themill | enouf: the metapackages are from a different source package. It might not have been uploaded, might be sitting in NEW still, or might not be built on i386. You'll remember that updating the sid metapackage to .29 took a month or more |
| 11:18.46 | enouf | you mean the -amd64 arch one has made it to sid? wtf are you people doing? spreading lies about .30? |
| 11:19.02 | mesa_booger | enouf: altho .30 is around, the linux-image (meta) package hasn't been upgraded yet |
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| 11:19.31 | themill | judd versions linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 11:19.33 | judd | themill: linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 -- sid: 2.6.30-1 |
| 11:19.45 | enouf | dammit .. someone mentioned .30 has been in sid for a week .. wtf? Lying SOB |
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| 11:20.08 | themill | enouf: it's been in sid for a couple of days at least. Not much more than that though. |
| 11:20.09 | enouf | or .. the bot sucks ass ;-) |
| 11:20.16 | enouf | themill: thanks |
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| 11:21.41 | enouf | themill: how is one to get judd to spit out the correct info without going to p.d.o .. the bot doesn't take wildcards IIRC, correct? |
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| 11:22.18 | themill | enouf: judd is spitting out correct info. You just need to ask the correct question and since I don't know what it is you're asking... |
| 11:22.35 | enouf | i can't be bothered remembering all the various linux-image-nomenclature to feed to the bot as input - that'd be insane |
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| 11:23.29 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 11:23.30 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 -- |
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| 11:23.44 | enouf | wonderful |
| 11:23.44 | adb | -1*- |
| 11:23.53 | enouf | no shit sherlock |
| 11:23.56 | enouf | :-P |
| 11:24.17 | enouf | i did -2- on purpose to make a point |
| 11:24.23 | Salo | hey, i want to set up my own repository but need as a base the packages that the "small cd" installation has |
| 11:24.46 | Salo | sb got an idea how to do this effectively? |
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| 11:25.07 | cantido | Salo: do you really want your own repository or just a cache? |
| 11:25.26 | Salo | i want my own repository |
| 11:25.52 | Salo | it shall contain some of my own packages |
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| 11:26.37 | cantido | Salo: so.. why would you need debian packages there too? |
| 11:27.36 | themill | enouf: it all depends on what the question is that you're asking. If you want to know about linux-image-686 then ask about that. But you're asking about a different package... judd can't really mind read that you didn't want package "foo" you actually wanted package "bar". |
| 11:27.38 | Salo | cantido: because i want to have a static version of this packages and want them to be local |
| 11:28.07 | enouf | themill: i like having the use of the bot - again mucho thanks and bravo for your work ,.. somethings about it though could use some touchup IMHO ... BTW - why on earth is there even a metapackage nowadays - i'm sure the 'team' has a reason, but ,,, |
| 11:28.36 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 11:28.36 | judd | enouf: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+19 |
| 11:28.38 | cantido | Salo: so you want A: a mirror and the B: a repo with your packages |
| 11:28.47 | enouf | wrong again |
| 11:28.58 | themill | enouf: no, that's exactly right. |
| 11:29.06 | enouf | no it's wrong |
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| 11:29.15 | themill | enouf: those are the exact packages that are in debian. |
| 11:29.17 | enouf | judd: depends linux-image-686 |
| 11:29.17 | judd | enouf: linux-image-686 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 11:29.21 | Salo | cantido: mmh perhaps i can split this |
| 11:29.24 | enouf | wonderful |
| 11:29.34 | enouf | judd: depends linux-image-686 --release sid |
| 11:29.35 | judd | enouf: linux-image-686 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 11:29.40 | enouf | wonderful |
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| 11:30.03 | enouf | throws in the towel and crawls back under his rock |
| 11:30.05 | themill | enouf: judd can't make up stuff just because that's what you want to be in debian. The kernel team have yet to update those packages. Sid is broke.n. News at 11. Who'd have thought it |
| 11:30.07 | themill | enouf: I haven't touched the Judd plugin at all. The Piccy plugin, however, has a a "kernels" command that is probably what you want. |
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| 11:30.30 | enouf | themill: thank you kindly nonetheless |
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| 11:30.53 | cantido | Salo: apt-cache is good for making a small local mirror, you download the first copy and then serve that up. There are tools for doing mirroring and making your own repo also |
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| 11:31.12 | enouf | then the kernel team is pissing me off ... |
| 11:31.19 | Salo | cantido: are there any tools you would suggest for this task? |
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| 11:31.45 | enouf | i already loathe many .. why must i constantly make my list larger? :-P |
| 11:32.23 | Salo | cantido: sorry was too slow :) |
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| 11:33.12 | cantido | Salo: I'm just trying to find the best tool for building a personal repo, its been a long time :) |
| 11:33.40 | enouf | !mirror |
| 11:33.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 11:34.21 | enouf | !debmirror |
| 11:34.21 | dpkg | well, debmirror is a Debian partial mirror script. Receiving "public key not found" errors from gpgv? See /usr/share/doc/debmirror/NEWS.Debian. See also <debian mirrors>. |
| 11:34.28 | cantido | Salo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html -- how to create your local package repository |
| 11:34.31 | gunkamanti | hi, my machine kind of froze (mouse still moved jerkily, nothing else), did a reboot, now instead of the gdm login screen i get a black screen, but ctl-alt-F1 switches to console. "ps aux|grep gdm" outputs nothing. what could i try? (lenny) |
| 11:34.45 | cantido | gunkamanti: check your X log |
| 11:35.03 | enouf | run gdmconfig? |
| 11:35.05 | dubphil | Hello, I'm using mercurial, and during a commit something happens that makes the editor process, when I was writting the comment, to run in the background, is there a way to recover the process in order to properly finish my commit ? |
| 11:35.13 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure gdm ? |
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| 11:35.42 | gunkamanti | cantido: i don't see any errors in Xorg.0.log |
| 11:35.48 | gunkamanti | enouf: thx, i'll try that |
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| 11:36.02 | enouf | look at prior logs, since X isn't running now |
| 11:36.26 | enouf | a;though - i doubt it'll help |
| 11:36.40 | Salo | cantido: but do you know a way how to find out the required packages for a very basic installation? |
| 11:36.43 | cantido | gunkamanti: you could also log in as a normal user and do startx to see if that still works |
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| 11:37.04 | LightKnight | Hi there -- after today's update of my Squeeze box (which apparently has nothing to do with SSH/SSL at all) I get the following error whenever I try to ssh anywhere: ssh: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: undefined symbol: ERR_load_RSAOstrings, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 -- any ideas? |
| 11:37.07 | gunkamanti | when i do init.d/gdm restart, it complains there is already an X server running on :0 ... |
| 11:37.31 | enouf | gunkamanti: if you did a hard reset without properly using something like SYSRQ, you should consider a fsck atleast on / |
| 11:37.33 | LightKnight | This morning, before the update, everything seemed to work correctly. |
| 11:37.45 | gunkamanti | enouf: good idea |
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| 11:37.49 | enouf | pgrep gdm |
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| 11:37.53 | careta | helo people |
| 11:38.11 | enouf | !forcefsck |
| 11:38.12 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). |
| 11:38.45 | enouf | gunkamanti: ^^^^ |
| 11:39.00 | gunkamanti | thanks! |
| 11:39.05 | enouf | gunkamanti: man fstab too, see 6th field |
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| 11:39.12 | cantido | LightKnight: library mismatch |
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| 11:39.30 | enouf | gunkamanti: root should be 1 -- all others either 2 or 0 |
| 11:39.47 | LightKnight | cantido: OK, but I didn't update libssl these days and everything worked lice a charm till now :-/ |
| 11:39.55 | LightKnight | *like a ... |
| 11:40.08 | gunkamanti | enouf: it's like that by default |
| 11:40.35 | cantido | Salo: aptitude knows that the really base packages are essential.. so there must be someway of working out what the bare minimum is, I'm not sure how aptitude knows which packages are essential however |
| 11:40.43 | gunkamanti | btw, will the forcefsck file be deleted after the check? i might forget about it... |
| 11:41.04 | cantido | LightKnight: maybe you have a corrupted file then |
| 11:41.07 | abrotman | gunkamanti: yes |
| 11:41.12 | gunkamanti | ok thx |
| 11:41.18 | abrotman | gunkamanti: assuming the fsck completes successfully |
| 11:41.25 | gunkamanti | of course :) |
| 11:41.29 | LightKnight | cantido: try to reinstall libssl0.9.8? |
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| 11:42.42 | nsadmin | gunkamanti: has anyone ever suggested to you that you should keep a journal detailing your machine, including things like, complete instructions to install the os and all the apps used on it, from scratch? this is just something you can use a journal for |
| 11:43.02 | enouf | cantido: grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools would show which are of priority required, important. standard, etc ... aptitude can too |
| 11:43.29 | nsadmin | if you have backup plan, that should go in the journal too |
| 11:43.42 | nsadmin | and its current state ought to be there |
| 11:43.43 | cantido | enouf: ah, thats useful to know :) |
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| 11:44.36 | enouf | cantido: sorry - i mean dpkg-query |
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| 11:44.55 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:45.03 | mesa_booger | nsadmin: you are *so* right. i keep a list of all amended/created/deleted system files too. as well as a list of all installed packages, to make cloning/recreating the system that much easier |
| 11:45.18 | enouf | aptitude has a way, with easier syntax |
| 11:46.06 | cantido | LightKnight: maybe you upgraded something is linked against somewhere else and that'd broken it |
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| 11:46.41 | Noble | My mother managed to pull the power on my server during a thunderstorm even though I have UPS. I told her to put it back in and turn the computer back on, however the ssh deamon does not seem to start. Do I need to log in to my user account in GDM to get it to start? Never experienced that before. |
| 11:46.50 | LightKnight | cantido: I pastebin last aptitude's log, will you (or someone else) have a look? |
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| 11:47.31 | cantido | LightKnight: its saying a symbol is missing, i.e. its looking for said symbol in that library and not finding it |
| 11:47.36 | nsadmin | Noble: if ssh is installed, it should start. check your logs |
| 11:47.57 | Noble | nsadmin: I'm not at home, and I badly need that ssh tunnel :/ |
| 11:47.58 | LightKnight | cantido: yes, I kind of understood that :) |
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| 11:49.57 | nsadmin | Noble: is it replying to pings? |
| 11:50.46 | Noble | I believe the ISP has the router to block/drop all ping |
| 11:50.54 | Shadur | Morons. |
| 11:51.07 | Noble | fucks sake, my mother probably has pulled the plug on the modem as well. |
| 11:51.22 | cantido | Noble: you should dump her |
| 11:51.36 | Noble | Already did. However the line home is so good I cant let it go :P |
| 11:53.15 | Noble | Seriously, when was the last time you ever had some electronic stuff destroyed during a thunder storm? |
| 11:53.26 | Noble | And nobody is picking up at home, perfect. |
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| 11:53.33 | abrotman | It was a dark and stormy night, and a shot rang out ... |
| 11:53.47 | abrotman | "Why did you shoot the server?" |
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| 11:54.12 | Noble | tell that to her :( |
| 11:54.25 | nsadmin | Noble what else is the machine running? |
| 11:54.37 | Noble | samba domain controller |
| 11:54.50 | Noble | so they cant use their windowze computers if she fucked it up |
| 11:54.51 | nsadmin | "she didn't put cream in muh coffee" |
| 11:54.51 | Noble | winn |
| 11:55.24 | cantido | no redundency? sheesh |
| 11:55.34 | Noble | haha |
| 11:55.36 | Noble | meh |
| 11:55.51 | nsadmin | a second mom to make sure all the cords are pulled? |
| 11:55.56 | cantido | this is why you put labels on the plug sockets ... |
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| 11:56.13 | Noble | cantido: Seriously, that was a great idea. |
| 11:56.32 | cantido | tap across the switch.. all works |
| 11:56.39 | abrotman | wouldn't it make more sense to wait til someone is there? |
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| 11:57.18 | Noble | Suppose so. |
| 11:57.18 | cantido | Noble: what you should to is take the socket off and wire the cable directly into the wall |
| 11:57.32 | Noble | cantido: Yeah, only problem is the ups |
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| 11:58.08 | nsadmin | Noble: any other servers running on it besides sshd and samba? |
| 11:58.19 | Noble | Hmm, lemme think |
| 11:58.30 | abrotman | or wait til someone is home |
| 11:58.31 | Noble | No not at the moment. Or sftp maybe |
| 11:58.44 | Noble | however only ssh has access to the outside world |
| 11:58.53 | nsadmin | telnet (your.machine) 22 |
| 11:59.05 | cantido | gets reboot events to his mobile |
| 11:59.45 | Noble | nsadmin: I should get the ISP login page then. It seems to be down. Guess she pulled the plug on the modem as well. |
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| 12:00.28 | nsadmin | probably you'd have to take a drive over there |
| 12:00.35 | abrotman | hey i know .. wait til someone is home .. |
| 12:00.49 | Noble | abrotman: Man, why did I not think of that? |
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| 12:00.56 | Noble | Its only a 7 hour drive |
| 12:00.58 | enouf | colored tapes are handy |
| 12:01.03 | abrotman | probably the lutefisk |
| 12:01.14 | LightKnight | cantido: http://pastebin.ca/1464763 |
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| 12:01.48 | enouf | especially for 8 or less things that require organization, unless .. one is colorblind, which does occur |
| 12:02.00 | cantido | LightKnight: I'm just seeing if my libcrypto has that symbol.. |
| 12:02.07 | Noble | ah well, ttyl. Got to run. |
| 12:02.15 | LightKnight | cantido: thx :) |
| 12:02.17 | cantido | RR_load_RSAOstrings, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 -- any ideas? |
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| 12:02.30 | cantido | oops |
| 12:02.43 | cantido | paste misfire |
| 12:03.01 | LightKnight | BTW, google returns zero results on that message. |
| 12:03.31 | cantido | LightKnight: $objdump --dynamic-syms /usr/lib/libcrypto.so | grep ERR_load_RSAOstrings; returns nothing .. that symbol isn't there |
| 12:04.18 | LightKnight | cantido: Here either. Makes me wonder how could it work till now. |
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| 12:04.56 | cantido | LightKnight: you're copy of ssh is linked against a different version or something .. that's the issue |
| 12:05.19 | cantido | LightKnight: return testing/unstable though you should really be able to investigate there's things ;) |
| 12:05.25 | cantido | LightKnight: *running |
| 12:06.14 | LightKnight | ("your copy", BTW :-P) |
| 12:06.14 | abrotman | it's what? |
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| 12:06.24 | enouf | libssl0.9.8: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 12:06.35 | abrotman | LightKnight: what's the actual problem? |
| 12:06.53 | LightKnight | abrotman: averytime I try to ssh I get an error message: |
| 12:07.02 | LightKnight | abrotman: ssh: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: undefined symbol: ERR_load_RSAOstrings, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 |
| 12:07.27 | abrotman | LightKnight: so you can't get in at all ? |
| 12:07.42 | LightKnight | abrotman: yes, it even doesn't try to connect at all. |
| 12:08.11 | abrotman | LightKnight: so the problem isn't the remote system? |
| 12:08.26 | abrotman | LightKnight: and you have libssl0.9.8 installed? |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | LightKnight: and you're running squeeze/sid? |
| 12:08.48 | LightKnight | abrotman: a) no, b-c) yes. |
| 12:09.00 | LightKnight | abrotman: squeeze, with today's upgrades. |
| 12:09.03 | abrotman | and you've checked the BTS right ? |
| 12:09.20 | LightKnight | abrotman: yes, apparently nothing. And google doesn't help either. |
| 12:09.34 | abrotman | ssh -version? |
| 12:09.53 | LightKnight | abrotman: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5+b1, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
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| 12:10.35 | megatog615 | anyone having trouble building linux-kbuild-2.6.30? |
| 12:10.49 | antii | If i add this to /etc/fstab, will i be able to write and read on my windows drive? /dev/sda2 /path_to/mount_point ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=100,umask=0022 0 0 |
| 12:11.05 | megatog615 | genorig dies on "can't extract tarball" |
| 12:11.08 | abrotman | LightKnight: dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 openssh-client |
| 12:11.26 | megatog615 | when i have permissions on both the tarball and genorig in /usr/src |
| 12:11.29 | LightKnight | abrotman: botrh "ii". |
| 12:11.31 | LightKnight | *both |
| 12:11.37 | abrotman | megatog615: HDD full? |
| 12:11.43 | megatog615 | abrotman: negative |
| 12:11.44 | abrotman | LightKnight: i actually wanted to see the versions :) |
| 12:11.47 | LightKnight | libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-16 |
| 12:11.52 | LightKnight | openssh-client 1:5.1p1-5+b1 |
| 12:11.55 | abrotman | judd: versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 12:11.56 | judd | abrotman: libssl0.9.8 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch5 lenny: 0.9.8g-15 lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny1 squeeze: 0.9.8g-16 sid: 0.9.8k-3 |
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| 12:12.02 | abrotman | judd: versions openssh-client |
| 12:12.03 | judd | abrotman: openssh-client -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 sid: 1:5.1p1-6 |
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| 12:12.35 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall libssl0.9.8 openssh-client ? |
| 12:12.46 | LightKnight | abrotman: I'll give it a try, thanks :) |
| 12:12.50 | megatog615 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m7c6d64fd |
| 12:13.23 | megatog615 | i can actually do tar xjvf linux-2.6.30.tar.bz2 just fine |
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| 12:14.47 | abrotman | megatog615: so your python script is broken? |
| 12:14.55 | LightKnight | abrotman: apparently the problem disappeared. *shrugs* |
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| 12:15.14 | abrotman | LightKnight: okay .. have a nice day! |
| 12:15.28 | LightKnight | abrotman: you too, thank you for bearing with me :-) |
| 12:15.35 | LightKnight | cantido: thank you as well :) |
| 12:15.49 | cantido | wonders how reinstalling would fix it ... |
| 12:16.22 | megatog615 | abrotman: fresh from svn |
| 12:16.34 | phix | :D |
| 12:16.35 | abrotman | the python is? |
| 12:16.35 | megatog615 | i just tried with python2.4, python2.5, and python2.6 |
| 12:16.36 | enouf | megatog615: install fakeroot |
| 12:16.43 | enouf | perhaps |
| 12:16.45 | phix | enouf: sudo apt-get install fakeroot |
| 12:16.48 | megatog615 | i also tried with sudo |
| 12:16.49 | abrotman | megatog615: so you're saying code from svn can't have bugs ? |
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| 12:17.01 | enouf | and stop toying with perms |
| 12:17.02 | abrotman | phix: this isn't #ubuntu |
| 12:17.05 | megatog615 | abrotman: it worked for 2.6.29 and 2.6.28 |
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| 12:17.35 | megatog615 | i cannot guarantee it will anymore though |
| 12:17.37 | phix | abrotman: so sudo doesn't exist in debian? |
| 12:17.46 | phix | abrotman: I have it installed, it is useful |
| 12:17.47 | abrotman | phix: it does, but might not be configured |
| 12:17.49 | megatog615 | last two svn updates were just in debian/changelog |
| 12:17.52 | phix | abrotman: fail :) |
| 12:18.01 | abrotman | phix: and aptitude is recommended by debian |
| 12:18.24 | phix | abrotman: is there really a difference? |
| 12:18.33 | phix | cept for one uses ncurses |
| 12:18.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:18.40 | abrotman | numerous |
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| 12:19.00 | phix | enligthen me |
| 12:19.08 | abrotman | megatog615: can you tell which python line actual is dying? |
| 12:19.24 | megatog615 | its in pastebin |
| 12:19.44 | abrotman | megatog615: the actual line of code? |
| 12:20.06 | abrotman | self.upstream_extract() ? |
| 12:20.11 | megatog615 | what? the error output says lines 116, then 32, then 50 |
| 12:20.20 | megatog615 | i cant help with python as i dont know python |
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| 12:20.58 | abrotman | you oculd paste it ? |
| 12:21.02 | megatog615 | i did |
| 12:21.07 | megatog615 | http://pastebin.com/m7c6d64fd |
| 12:21.08 | abrotman | the python script ? |
| 12:21.12 | megatog615 | what? |
| 12:21.18 | megatog615 | svn co svn://svn.debian.org/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-kbuild-2.6 |
| 12:21.23 | megatog615 | its in there |
| 12:21.28 | megatog615 | debian/bin/genorg.py |
| 12:21.38 | megatog615 | *genorig.py |
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| 12:22.29 | enouf | megatog615: hit #debian-kernel on oftc.net |
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| 12:23.05 | abrotman | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-kbuild-2.6/debian/bin/#_dists_trunk_linux-kbuild-2.6_debian_bin_ .. for those of you that don't have svn installed |
| 12:23.19 | enouf | phix: if one doesn't know they need root privs to install pkgs, then perhaps they should review the debian-reference |
| 12:23.39 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.50 | abrotman | eh .. nope |
| 12:24.00 | enouf | strike 1 :-P |
| 12:24.27 | enouf | mumbles something like .. ' .. swing batter swing .. ' |
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| 12:24.49 | abrotman | megatog615: file your.tar.bz2 |
| 12:25.17 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/39537/ .. would appear to be the function |
| 12:25.38 | antii | When i mount my ntfs drive in /media/folder all files are root |
| 12:25.45 | megatog615 | ../linux-2.6.30.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
| 12:25.52 | megatog615 | looks ok to me |
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| 12:26.01 | megatog615 | as i said i was able to extract it manually anyway |
| 12:26.10 | petemc | antii: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 12:26.36 | OpenTokix | antii: you can mount with -o uid=foo,gid=bar |
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| 12:26.59 | antii | OpenTokix: uid=user? |
| 12:27.13 | OpenTokix | antii: yes |
| 12:27.32 | antii | dev/sdb1 /media/bb ntfs-3g uid=antii 0 0 |
| 12:27.34 | antii | will that work? |
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| 12:28.20 | OpenTokix | antii: should work, yes |
| 12:28.30 | jelly | antii: uid usually needs to be numeric, but check ntfs-3g man page |
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| 12:28.53 | OpenTokix | jelly: when you mount uid= can be either or. |
| 12:29.11 | abrotman | megatog615: would it work if you weren't using ../ but be in the same dir? |
| 12:29.46 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind |
| 12:30.11 | enouf | antii: is your username in the fuse* group? |
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| 12:30.19 | antii | enouf: hm? fuse? |
| 12:30.24 | enouf | !fuse |
| 12:30.25 | dpkg | FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel at 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSEFilesystem . http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ http://fuse.sf.net/ ##fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:30.56 | PointMan | whats the default place to put your ssl certificate for apache? |
| 12:31.09 | enouf | antii: ntfs doesn't have *nix permissions concepts |
| 12:31.55 | OpenTokix | PointMan: None, really - I usually put them in /etc/apache2/ssl |
| 12:32.00 | OpenTokix | PointMan: sorry, mistype |
| 12:32.03 | jelly | OpenTokix: that's nice, thanks |
| 12:32.04 | PointMan | k thanks openpercept |
| 12:32.06 | OpenTokix | PointMan: /etc/ssl/* |
| 12:32.10 | PointMan | thanks OpenTokix |
| 12:32.30 | jelly | had to make ntfs-3g setuid to be able to mount as user |
| 12:32.33 | OpenTokix | PointMan: I usually put them in /etc/apache2/ssl, however they will get lost if you do a apt-get remove --purge |
| 12:32.38 | enouf | antii: for vfat, i chown the /mnt/point/ directory .. but do as you like - i don't mess with ntfs, but i know it's quite different than vfat |
| 12:32.43 | OpenTokix | jelly: use sudo instead |
| 12:32.58 | PointMan | OpenTokix: there is a /etc/ssl/private dir.. |
| 12:32.59 | jelly | OpenTokix: I use sudo for root. |
| 12:33.01 | hid3 | What tool in debian (gnome) can I use to burn a 99 minute audio CD? Serpantine CD creator seems to support burning only up to 90 mintes. And yes, I have a 99 min CD... |
| 12:33.07 | OpenTokix | PointMan: yes |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | megatog615: all i can tihnk is to change the python to show you the cmdline it's using on that line |
| 12:33.16 | PointMan | OpenTokix: how come you dont put it in there? |
| 12:33.29 | megatog615 | im going afk(sleep) so if anyone figures it out just query me the answer, lol |
| 12:33.29 | jelly | OpenTokix: mounting as user is supposed to work |
| 12:33.31 | antii | enouf: heh using ntfs-3g |
| 12:33.31 | OpenTokix | PointMan: lazyness |
| 12:33.37 | PointMan | OpenTokix: hehe k |
| 12:33.37 | abrotman | hid3: brasero ? gnomebaker ? |
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| 12:33.52 | megatog615 | abrotman: you should try building it |
| 12:33.56 | antii | /dev/sdb1 /media/bb ntfs-3g ro,user,auto 0 0 |
| 12:33.57 | OpenTokix | PointMan: rsync /etc/apache2/* newmachine:/etc/apache2/ |
| 12:33.58 | megatog615 | see if it does it for you |
| 12:34.05 | abrotman | megatog615: i'm at work .. or i'd goof around with it |
| 12:34.06 | OpenTokix | PointMan: for new machines |
| 12:34.06 | antii | that works, but all files in the directory are root |
| 12:34.12 | PointMan | OpenTokix: ah ok :) |
| 12:34.19 | megatog615 | abrotman: then get back to work! lol |
| 12:34.20 | mesa_booger | k3b allows you to specify overburning. but 99 minutes seems to be pushing it |
| 12:34.22 | abrotman | self.log(cmdline) .. i'd guess |
| 12:34.29 | hid3 | abrotman: thanks, will try 'em! |
| 12:35.11 | jelly | hid3: you could just use the command line cdrdao or cdrecord |
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| 12:37.02 | martin12345 | I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.1 "Standard System"(it is a base system without X), then xserver-org, then twm(Timeless Window Manager) and finally rdesktop. I would like that when I start the computer, TWM starts automatically(at the moment I have to login and startx). "Passwd -d" doesn't work. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:38.30 | hid3 | abrotman: gnomebaker works just awesome, thanks again. |
| 12:38.38 | jelly | !autologin |
| 12:38.38 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
| 12:39.10 | jelly | martin12345: apparently, gdm or kdm support that feature |
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| 12:39.43 | tdn | How do I force my CPU to use 2.5GHz instead of 800MHz (powersave)? |
| 12:40.01 | martin12345 | jelly: thanks! Is it possible to install for example dgm, but still use TWM? |
| 12:40.04 | mesa_booger | pedal faster |
| 12:40.08 | martin12345 | *gdm |
| 12:40.18 | amphi | tdn: use the ondemand scaling governor |
| 12:40.27 | jelly | martin12345: definitely yes, gdm/kdm/wdm/xdm are merely graphical login managers |
| 12:40.45 | amphi | tdn: you'll need to have the cpufreq_ondemand module loaded |
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| 12:41.26 | amphi | tdn: then you can do 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' |
| 12:41.59 | amphi | tdn: you can use /etc/sysfs.conf to have that set at boot time |
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| 12:42.16 | tdn | amphi, ok. |
| 12:42.22 | amphi | tdn: for sysfs.conf, you should install sysfsutils |
| 12:42.43 | tdn | amphi, FATAL: Module cpufreq_ondemand not found. |
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| 12:43.14 | amphi | tdn: what kernel do you have? uname -r |
| 12:43.16 | mesa_booger | would that be /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 12:43.21 | amphi | mesa_booger: no |
| 12:43.37 | tdn | amphi, 2.6.28 |
| 12:44.20 | themill | tdn: self-compiled kernel? |
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| 12:45.03 | tdn | themill, kinda. I did not compile it, but got it from a friend as a deb. |
| 12:45.04 | jelly | amphi: which package creates/uses /etc/sysfs.conf? |
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| 12:45.28 | amphi | jelly: sysfsutils |
| 12:45.36 | abrotman | tdn: cat /proc/version |
| 12:45.49 | amphi | tdn: what does 'grep CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND /boot/config-$(uname -r)' say |
| 12:45.53 | jelly | Priority: extra :-| |
| 12:45.56 | amphi | ? |
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| 12:46.16 | themill | judd kconfig ONDEMAND |
| 12:46.17 | judd | themill: Searching for 'ONDEMAND' in lenny kernel config gives CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND=n CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=m. |
| 12:46.33 | abrotman | themill: which would totally work if it were a Debian kernel? |
| 12:46.51 | amphi | right, it's 'm' in all the debian kernels I have hear |
| 12:46.53 | amphi | er, here |
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| 12:47.03 | themill | sort of... it's not compiled as a module in sid |
| 12:47.06 | enouf | i like the 'pedal faster' approach |
| 12:47.07 | themill | judd kconfig ONDEMAND --release sid |
| 12:47.08 | judd | themill: Searching for 'ONDEMAND' in sid kernel config gives CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND=y CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y. |
| 12:47.58 | gunkamanti | nsadmin: well, i suggested it to myself (making a backup etc. journal) ;) but i never could get myself to adhere to it, i'm born from chaos, and i'll probably die in chaos :) |
| 12:48.03 | themill | abrotman: yes. That was the next point to be made -- why not just use a debian kernel rather than the ultra l33t sekret kernel. At least the debian kernels work... |
| 12:48.14 | amphi | heh |
| 12:48.14 | jelly | amphi: I wonder why sysfsutils isn't standard |
| 12:48.37 | amphi | jelly: I know not - it's very handy |
| 12:48.38 | enouf | does laptop-* pull it in? |
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| 12:48.51 | themill | nope |
| 12:48.52 | abrotman | themill: which is why i asked for a /proc/version (which i still didn't get) |
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| 12:49.09 | ||arifaX | Hi, I need the command "showcase" on my hylafax server on lenny. where can i get it could not find a package for it by searching on packages |
| 12:49.28 | amphi | enouf: curiously, education-common seems to depend on it here ;) |
| 12:49.35 | enouf | tdn: your friend is selling you a borked kernel |
| 12:49.43 | enouf | haha |
| 12:49.47 | abrotman | ||arifaX: no such thing ? what do you need it for ? |
| 12:50.50 | mesa_booger | amphi: yeah i didn't have it either, which is why i asked about /etc/sysctl.conf (obtained by hitting TAB) |
| 12:50.53 | ||arifaX | abrotman: it is called in the file "typerules" from sendfax which converts something to ps depending on rules. 2 rules use "showcase -p -f %i" so I need it |
| 12:51.28 | abrotman | ||arifaX: how did you install hylafax? i have hylafax running here, never had it barf on that (though we don't use it much for sending) |
| 12:51.35 | enouf | ~$ dlocate /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 12:51.37 | enouf | sysfsutils: /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 12:52.02 | enouf | dpkg: hug dlocate |
| 12:52.02 | dpkg | gives dlocate a hug |
| 12:52.37 | themill | not so useful if you don't have sysfsutils actually installed, however |
| 12:52.41 | enouf | dpkg: stab most of the cron.daily nonsense |
| 12:52.41 | dpkg | runs at most of the cron.daily nonsense with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:52.50 | careta | i have a kernel with modules compiled in. now i need an initramfs. how can i build one? |
| 12:53.10 | enouf | themill: advantages have their advantages :-P |
| 12:53.26 | wam | could someone please help me to understand my RAM usage? http://paste.plone.org/28566 I don't see why ~9GB SWAP are used... All pages (and the sum of the RES/RSS column of ps/top) are ~15GB (as shown in "free"). What does use the 9GB SWAP here? And if 9GB SWAP are used, why isn't that free/cached/buffered memory? |
| 12:53.27 | ||arifaX | abrotman: I use the latest one that comes with lenny. It showed that none of this "old style" mime type convertion is necessary since everything could be done in the file /etc/hylafax/typerulses in there depending on the detected mimetype commands are called to convert something to ps 2 lines show showcase as command. so I want to implement it |
| 12:53.39 | tdn | enouf, heh. Ok :) I think I will try with the default kernel. |
| 12:53.41 | tdn | Thanks. |
| 12:53.49 | nkuttler | careta: why an initramfs if you have the modules built in? |
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| 12:54.01 | jelly | careta: first, does your kernel support initramfs/initrd functionality? |
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| 12:54.20 | careta | nkuttler, i want to hibernate to an encrypted partition |
| 12:54.29 | careta | jelly, yes, i have activated it in the .config |
| 12:54.48 | ||arifaX | abrotman: do a "cat /etc/hylafax/typerules | grep showcase" what does it show at yours? |
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| 12:54.55 | hareldvd | Which package contains smbfind? |
| 12:55.03 | nkuttler | hareldvd: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:55.05 | abrotman | ||arifaX: google "showcase command" .. nothing comes back useful |
| 12:55.06 | Titan | I dist-upgraded from etch to lenny but the kernel is still .24 |
| 12:55.12 | Titan | how do I get the latest stable kernel from lenny |
| 12:55.14 | nkuttler | careta: that should be documented in your suspend package |
| 12:55.35 | OpenTokix | Titan: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:55.44 | abrotman | ||arifaX: same as yours i'm guessing .. two lines |
| 12:55.49 | enouf | Titan: is the metapackage installed? |
| 12:55.51 | OpenTokix | Titan: if you installed kernel-2.6 and not a specific version |
| 12:55.58 | OpenTokix | Titan: what enouf said |
| 12:56.02 | ||arifaX | abrotman: I could also not find anything, that's why I am asking :) |
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| 12:56.20 | Titan | OpenTokix: I tried that but uname -r is stil 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 12:56.29 | abrotman | ||arifaX: not a clue .. maybe email the maintainer and ask or ask the hylafax support (if you can find it) |
| 12:56.30 | Titan | but /etc/debian_version shows 5.0.1 |
| 12:56.43 | Titan | I got all of lennys packages alright |
| 12:56.45 | OpenTokix | Titan: you need to install the metapackage of the kernel |
| 12:56.49 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny |
| 12:56.49 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 12:56.59 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny-backports |
| 12:57.00 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- |
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| 12:57.02 | careta | nkuttler, how to hibernate yes. but I want to know how to make a general initramfs. I have enabled it in my .config and make-kpkg --initrd but when i install the kernel image no initramfs is generated |
| 12:57.21 | abrotman | enouf: no metapackage for it at bpo |
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| 12:57.34 | Titan | I am on x86_64 so that means I need kernel-image-2.6.26-2-amd64-di |
| 12:57.35 | themill | enouf: the metapackages are usually not uploaded to backports.org to help make sure people don't accidentally upgrade their kernels |
| 12:57.47 | Titan | if I install a specific kernel like that does it mean I won't get upgrades |
| 12:57.48 | enouf | Titan: /etc/debian_version is more likely based off of your libc6 rather then kernel version |
| 12:58.07 | Titan | I just want the same kernel as lenny |
| 12:58.08 | nkuttler | careta: there's mkinitramfs |
| 12:58.16 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release lenny |
| 12:58.16 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 12:58.17 | Titan | the one lenny ships with by default rather |
| 12:58.21 | OpenTokix | Titan: no, you need linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 12:58.41 | Titan | ah, thanks |
| 12:58.46 | Titan | do I need to remove the old one |
| 12:58.49 | nkuttler | my suspend works without initramfs it seems (.oO) |
| 12:58.50 | enouf | no |
| 12:58.55 | Titan | cheers |
| 12:59.04 | enouf | and you shouldn't .. atleast until you're sure the new one works out well |
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| 12:59.20 | careta | nkuttler, yes but you do not suspend to an encrypted swap. thanks i'll try mkinitramfs |
| 12:59.25 | nkuttler | oh, that's only to ram as well |
| 12:59.41 | Titan | its still using .24 |
| 12:59.48 | enouf | you could use a swapfile .. but more of a pain |
| 13:00.00 | enouf | or look into using kexec :-P |
| 13:00.04 | mesa_booger | enouf: where's your spirit of daring ? i quite often reboot with no kernel installed at all (jkn) |
| 13:00.06 | nkuttler | Titan: you did reboot to use the new kernel, did you? |
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| 13:00.18 | Titan | oh no, ill try that |
| 13:00.20 | enouf | mesa_booger: i try to not reboot ;-) |
| 13:00.38 | nkuttler | Titan: of course ls /boot/ will show you what you have |
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| 13:01.02 | enouf | Titan: when installing, did you see things like update-grub and mkinitramfs-kpkg running?> |
| 13:01.14 | OpenTokix | Titan: I usually run update-grub one extra time, to see what kernels it will find |
| 13:01.16 | Titan | I think so, didn't pay attention |
| 13:01.27 | Titan | I already rebooted so fingers crosed |
| 13:01.56 | OpenTokix | Cowboyadminning, shoot from the hip - *pew pew* |
| 13:02.03 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26+17+lenny1 or whatever the actual version is |
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| 13:02.30 | enouf | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release lenny |
| 13:02.30 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 13:02.39 | enouf | so |
| 13:02.47 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 13:04.05 | Titan | I rebooted and its still using .24, update-grub shows I have /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 and /vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 13:04.22 | careta | nkuttler, yes there any reason for make-kpkg not making the initramfs automatically? |
| 13:04.55 | enouf | so .. choose the 26 one when you boot |
| 13:05.05 | Titan | how can I make it the default |
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| 13:05.26 | enouf | /etc/kernel-img.conf and your menu.lst settings |
| 13:05.48 | enouf | are you using grub as the bootloader? |
| 13:06.11 | enouf | tries not to make too many presumptions ... sigh* |
| 13:06.21 | Titan | I think so |
| 13:06.39 | Titan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.43 | enouf | see /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:06.57 | Titan | oh that exists |
| 13:06.59 | enouf | it wont on Lenny, |
| 13:07.26 | Titan | so the default is 0 |
| 13:07.36 | Titan | but update-grub showed .26 before .24 |
| 13:07.49 | enouf | set the friggin timeout to something more sane like 20 |
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| 13:08.06 | nkuttler | careta: it's documented in /usr/share/doc/make-kpkg. there were big changes recently in sid |
| 13:08.06 | enouf | and choose the friggin kernel :-p |
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| 13:08.52 | amphi | default what? kernel? default timeout is 5s if I recall correctly |
| 13:09.03 | enouf | Titan: you might need to rm or mv or modify any /boot/grub/*default* files ... i never had an issue like yours though |
| 13:09.26 | enouf | amphi: yep - i recall 5 as well |
| 13:09.29 | nkuttler | likes module-init-tools * Added a 60 seconds sleep in update-modules to annoy whoever may still be using it. |
| 13:10.08 | Titan | uh oh |
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| 13:10.10 | enouf | Titan: are you using LVM? |
| 13:10.12 | Titan | I removed linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 and ignored the warning message |
| 13:10.19 | enouf | ... |
| 13:10.22 | nkuttler | Titan: so? |
| 13:10.28 | Titan | it said something about not being able to boot if I did that |
| 13:10.37 | nkuttler | Titan: so install another kernel. quick. |
| 13:10.43 | enouf | lmao |
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| 13:10.44 | Titan | I already have the .26 kernel |
| 13:10.53 | enouf | 08:50 < enouf> and you shouldn't .. atleast until you're sure the new one works out well |
| 13:11.00 | amphi | Titan: have you booted it yet? |
| 13:11.14 | Titan | yes |
| 13:11.17 | amphi | Titan: it's always nice to have at least one known working kernel... |
| 13:11.31 | enouf | actually you should stop talking .. unless you're answering us :-P |
| 13:12.00 | Titan | initrd /initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 is the fist one in my menu.lst |
| 13:12.10 | Titan | does this mean it'll fallback to .26 because .24 is gone |
| 13:12.11 | enouf | 09:01 < enouf> Titan: are you using LVM? |
| 13:12.19 | Titan | nope |
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| 13:12.25 | amphi | fall forward, shurely |
| 13:12.28 | enouf | RAID? encryption? |
| 13:12.32 | Titan | no |
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| 13:12.43 | Titan | don't need it |
| 13:12.56 | Titan | amphi: you sure? |
| 13:13.05 | Titan | if you are then I am going to reboot and hope it works out |
| 13:13.07 | enouf | ls -l /vmlinuz |
| 13:13.16 | amphi | Titan: sure about what? |
| 13:13.25 | Titan | that it will use the .26 |
| 13:13.26 | Titan | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2009-06-18 12:59 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 13:13.36 | enouf | ls -l /initrd |
| 13:13.47 | Titan | total 0 |
| 13:13.52 | enouf | ls -l /initrd.img |
| 13:13.59 | enouf | my bad |
| 13:14.02 | amphi | 'it'? grub will boot whatever you tell it to; normally, the most recently installed kernel becomes the default |
| 13:14.06 | Titan | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2009-06-18 12:59 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 13:14.16 | ||arifaX | abrotman: did you know, that the typerules file only works when <tab> is used as delimiter. my original one here has 2 buggy lines by default :) that's so funny. no showcase on lenny and bugs in typerules file - makes me weird |
| 13:14.23 | enouf | looks ok to me |
| 13:15.03 | abrotman | ||arifaX: i've been using hylafax for a long time here .. it's not the most well maintained package .. on top of hylafax being difficult to setup to begin with :) |
| 13:15.58 | paxcoder | does user permissions to write to /tmp by default? |
| 13:16.01 | paxcoder | *have |
| 13:16.40 | amphi | paxcoder: yes, and the sticky bit is set |
| 13:16.44 | Titan | enouf: it worked :D |
| 13:16.45 | Titan | thanks guys |
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| 13:17.27 | paxcoder | amphi: cool thx |
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| 13:17.55 | stEVIL | is there a way to see who initiated a reboot? i'm only seeing "system going into reboot" in the syslog |
| 13:18.38 | cire | I want (in bash) to run a program and do sth dependant on the result. e.g. if [ pidof $PROGRAM ]; then echo "$PROGRAM is running"; fi |
| 13:18.42 | cire | How can I do that? |
| 13:19.49 | abrotman | cire: #bash |
| 13:19.50 | Alam_Lenny | stEVIL, you tried 'shutdown -r TIME'? |
| 13:20.11 | enouf | stEVIL: check /var/log/auth* ? |
| 13:20.38 | Alam_Lenny | oh, I misread the question |
| 13:20.43 | cire | abrotman: sorry for OT, I'll ask there (#bash) |
| 13:21.09 | enouf | cire: it's not OT, just .. #bash is more apropos |
| 13:21.57 | enouf | cire: i should know how to answer that easily .. but i can't .. not easily ;-) but many here can |
| 13:22.01 | stEVIL | enouf: i checked, but nothing near that time, so i'm wondering that perhaps a certain application initated a shutdown |
| 13:22.17 | enouf | stEVIL: there are many logs you can grep through ;-) |
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| 13:22.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.21 | enouf | heh 09:13 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: daemon |
| 13:24.27 | antii | hmm |
| 13:24.57 | valan | it's because you spelled it wrong |
| 13:25.05 | valan | /demon is obviously the correct command |
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| 13:27.06 | enouf | stEVIL: see if lastlog yields anything useful |
| 13:27.40 | stEVIL | enouf: yeah i'm currently checking that, however i only see "reboot system boot" around that time, and before, no users that have the privileges to reboot |
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| 13:27.55 | abrotman | must have been windows update |
| 13:27.57 | eOliva | I've installed Lenny here, and when I try to boot (LILO) it says : Mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such file or directory .... and opens to me the BusyBox initramfs...my root partition is under lvm...what should I do? |
| 13:28.02 | enouf | power failure? .. cron? |
| 13:28.08 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:28.31 | enouf | eOliva: /msg dpkg lilo and fix it? |
| 13:29.02 | enouf | crap .. not much use |
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| 13:29.19 | enouf | tldp.org likely has decent LiLo docs |
| 13:29.39 | eOliva | enouf, ok, I'll search there, tnx |
| 13:29.51 | enouf | eOliva: is your /boot partition under LVM? |
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| 13:30.31 | enouf | eOliva: /msg dpkg rescue mode (as another attempt - not sure if it allows reinstalling LiLo as i know it does allow grub) |
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| 13:31.51 | stEVIL | enouf: you know what the fina column in "last" command means? because with mine says: "reboot system boot 2.6.9-67.ELhugem Wed Jun 17 15:38 (23:52)" |
| 13:32.02 | stEVIL | enouf: wondering that that (23:52) means |
| 13:32.17 | enouf | time |
| 13:32.21 | stEVIL | enouf: i thoughed, logged in time, however for user "reboot" this doesn't make sense to me |
| 13:32.21 | enouf | er.. |
| 13:32.24 | tzanger | Good morning. I have installed a customized kernel package set and it's working fine. However now apt-get upgrade is complaining that the generic linux-image/headers/etc packages are being held back... it's fine, I want them to stay held back, but how do I get the package manager to ignore those packages? |
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| 13:32.43 | tzanger | I tried echo "linux-image-my-custom-one hold" | dpkg --set-selections to try and keep them put, but that doesn't seem to be right |
| 13:32.45 | enouf | that's a funky kernel there :-P |
| 13:32.50 | tzanger | enouf: :-) |
| 13:33.13 | enouf | stEVIL: maybe it's UTC time, rather than local time |
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| 13:33.18 | enouf | crap |
| 13:33.22 | enouf | it's off :-p |
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| 13:33.59 | enouf | reboot system boot 2.6.29-2-686 Sat May 23 11:00 - 09:24 (25+22:24) |
| 13:34.11 | Salo | is there a easy way to customize a debian installation, that means to set the default packets that should be installed? |
| 13:34.33 | enouf | gotta love these :-P root tty1 Mon May 18 05:12 - crash (4+16:41 |
| 13:34.47 | enouf | thanks to kde crap ;-) |
| 13:35.07 | enouf | !ccd |
| 13:35.11 | stEVIL | enouf: hehehe |
| 13:35.11 | enouf | !cdd |
| 13:35.11 | dpkg | [cdd] "Custom Debian Distribution", see http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian and http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD These are probably to be renamed "Debian Pure Blends". |
| 13:36.04 | Salo | kewl thx for the links! |
| 13:36.41 | enouf | Salo: all of priority ~important and ~required are all that's needed .. but you can obtain that just from a netinstall img, just deselect all when tasksel comes up |
| 13:37.19 | JyZyXEL | gotta love the linux flash |
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| 13:37.26 | enouf | then you can just add packages as you please after that |
| 13:37.29 | JyZyXEL | having a flash ad can take 80% of your CPU |
| 13:37.48 | enouf | flashblock ftw |
| 13:37.56 | JyZyXEL | yea you really gotta have that |
| 13:38.03 | mesa_booger | JyZyXEL: flashblock for mozilla is a winner |
| 13:38.09 | enouf | or use links2 -g .. a real browser :-p |
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| 13:38.38 | JyZyXEL | links2 doesn't use css? |
| 13:38.42 | niklaswe | does the openvpn.db packages has support for ldap by default? |
| 13:38.44 | enouf | nope |
| 13:38.47 | JyZyXEL | haha |
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| 13:38.58 | JyZyXEL | real web pages don't use css |
| 13:39.05 | paxcoder | XD |
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| 13:39.42 | JyZyXEL | having to use css makes you a bad web dev |
| 13:39.59 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: so what do they use? |
| 13:40.05 | JyZyXEL | html |
| 13:40.06 | enouf | from flash to css .. there's a leap |
| 13:40.08 | Fozzy | looking for a morse code plugin for mozilla |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: do you actually understand what you're saying? |
| 13:40.23 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 13:40.26 | JyZyXEL | im not a web dev |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | typical |
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| 13:40.38 | enouf | i classify flash with ASP, AJAX, activeX, Java, etc .. not CSS |
| 13:40.45 | JyZyXEL | nice things! |
| 13:40.59 | hhersoy | hi, i need epic irc client -c mode |
| 13:41.17 | martin12345 | I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.1 "Standard System"(it is a base system without X), then xserver-org, then twm(Timeless Window Manager), then gdm and finally rdesktop. I would like that when I start the computer, TWM starts automatically. I have configured autologin in the gdm menu, but the problem is, that Gnome starts instead of TWM. How to make TWM default window manager? |
| 13:41.44 | enouf | i saw you asked and answered already |
| 13:41.49 | cantido | JyZyXEL: now that browsers mostly support CSS it's actually a Good Thing (tm) |
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| 13:41.57 | enouf | oh wait .. you now have GDM .. my bad |
| 13:42.06 | JyZyXEL | well i guess so |
| 13:42.21 | JyZyXEL | when i tried to use it i found it pretty chaotic |
| 13:42.22 | enouf | martin12345: as root update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 13:42.38 | enouf | select TWM - try x-window-manager as well |
| 13:42.57 | cantido | markup is more maintainable,.. accessibility is easier to integrate.. |
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| 13:43.34 | martin12345 | enouf: ok, I'll try that. Thanks! |
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| 13:44.32 | enouf | martin12345: might as well also try gdmconfig (...and perhaps dpkg-reconfigure gdm)? cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager when all done |
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| 13:48.04 | tzanger | I have installed a customized kernel package set and it's working fine. However now apt-get upgrade is complaining that the generic linux-image/headers/etc packages are being held back... it's fine, I want them to stay held back, but how do I get the package manager to ignore those packages? |
| 13:48.09 | tzanger | I tried echo "linux-image-my-custom-one hold" | dpkg --set-selections to try and keep them put, but that doesn't seem to be right |
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| 13:52.56 | mintux1 | is it possible to connect to my server with root in ftp ? |
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| 13:54.02 | Alam_Lenny | mintux1, why do you want to do that? |
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| 13:55.22 | mintux1 | Alam_Lenny: my ssh is down without known cause . I think the setting of that has problem .. so if I can't to access to it and edit and restart my server my ssh maybe turn on |
| 13:55.53 | nsadmin | mintux1: you don't have physical access to it |
| 13:55.55 | nsadmin | ? |
| 13:56.14 | mintux1 | nsadmin: not its my host |
| 13:57.17 | nsadmin | can't parse that; rephrase? |
| 13:58.12 | mintux1 | nsadmin it's my webserver or host.. ( it's on canada ) I had ssh access to manage it and now it doesn't work |
| 13:58.31 | nsadmin | have you talked to the site people? |
| 13:58.55 | nsadmin | is the site up on the expected IP? |
| 13:59.33 | mintux1 | nsadmin: I can do that . but I asked because somebody do that before means connect with normal frp user and change to root and change setting |
| 13:59.40 | mintux1 | edit setting |
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| 14:00.53 | nsadmin | ftp is an insecure protocol... passwords fly by routers and machines which could be sniffing them |
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| 14:02.19 | verwilst | anyone knows why this happens on a dell 1850 and blade? : http://imagebin.ca/view/G5BBD5rN.html |
| 14:02.30 | mintux1 | nsadmin I would like to learn how does he do that ?? could you give some links or some title for research for that ? |
| 14:03.07 | justin | verwilst: it pauses for 24 seconds before the 'restarting' line right? |
| 14:03.57 | nsadmin | mintux1: I stay away from ftp entirely;;; it's -probably- ok for -anonymous- use if you ever want to allow that |
| 14:03.57 | verwilst | justin: yeah |
| 14:04.03 | verwilst | justin: sounds promising ;) |
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| 14:04.25 | justin | verwilst: im thinking maybe the initrd or something is having an issue, but not displaying to the right console for some reason |
| 14:04.40 | verwilst | hm |
| 14:04.56 | justin | you passing any funny kernel options related to the console? |
| 14:05.02 | mintux | I disconnected |
| 14:05.04 | nsadmin | but I just don't use ftp often, I don't ever use ftpd for any reason, and I don't recommend you do so either |
| 14:05.24 | mintux | nsadmin could you paste last posted ? |
| 14:05.59 | nsadmin | mintux: it's a security problem where people can be handed your password. |
| 14:07.00 | verwilst | justin: console=tty0 console=ttyS1,57600 amongst others |
| 14:07.04 | verwilst | it's a FAI box |
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| 14:07.11 | abrotman | verwilst: i have a machine here that takes like two minutes .. then continues |
| 14:07.14 | verwilst | well, we're refai'ing the box |
| 14:07.20 | mintux | nsadmin no other people didn't that . but with a normal user ftp and root password this work done and I'm looking for that how does it do |
| 14:07.50 | enouf | tzanger: i'm not sure what you mean ignore, but you might want pinning? man apt_preferences |
| 14:07.52 | mintux | absolutely it's refer to security issue |
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| 14:09.01 | DetroitLibertyPe | how do I add more repos so that when I run apt-get it finds more stuff, and doesn't make my insert the install cd? |
| 14:09.17 | rudi_s | DetroitLibertyPe: man sources.conf |
| 14:09.20 | abrotman | DetroitLibertyPe: man sources.list |
| 14:09.29 | rudi_s | s/conf/list sorry |
| 14:09.32 | abrotman | !tell DetroitLibertyPe about sources.list |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | !tell DetroitLibertyPe about mirrors |
| 14:09.41 | abrotman | DetroitLibertyPe: and then comment out the CD source |
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| 14:09.52 | nsadmin | I don't know ftp or ftpds that do that, I think if they do they are misconfigured and dangerously so... if you want to learn more, read the source code, and if you don't understand what you're looking at when you do so, learn C |
| 14:10.16 | DetroitLibertyPe | learn C, easier said than done! |
| 14:10.24 | nsadmin | exactly. |
| 14:10.26 | enouf | nsadmin: that'll take a bit more than an afternoon :-p |
| 14:11.02 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure it will be a better use of his time than trying to learn how to sniff passwords :) |
| 14:11.16 | DetroitLibertyPe | well, that's all reason why I nixed Ubuntu in favor of Debian, really like apt-get, but was tired of everthting "just workign" felt like I wasn't learning anything nanmore |
| 14:11.19 | enouf | *nods* |
| 14:11.59 | mintux | ok |
| 14:12.01 | nsadmin | enouf: for example if he really had a problem with his site, he'd now be on the phone with the guy |
| 14:12.08 | abrotman | yeah .. because things don't 'just work' in debian ... |
| 14:12.10 | mintux | thanks for your suggestion |
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| 14:12.55 | DetroitLibertyPe | abrortman: nor do I want them to, all the extra crap Ubunut includes to makes sure stuff "just works" really slows down my machine |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | DetroitLibertyPe: that was sarcasm ... |
| 14:13.09 | abrotman | things do just work |
| 14:13.17 | nsadmin | mintux: if you really have a problem with your site, contact the folks who run the data center |
| 14:13.19 | careta | things may take a bit more of work in debian, but ubuntu is an unstable piece of crap anyway |
| 14:13.20 | mustafa_ | how could I install firefox on lenny? |
| 14:13.27 | enouf | !IW |
| 14:13.34 | mintux | nsadmin I did that .. |
| 14:13.35 | enouf | !iceweasel |
| 14:13.35 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian from Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. |
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| 14:14.06 | nsadmin | why does gnu have a fork? |
| 14:14.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: it came before Debian's |
| 14:14.32 | nsadmin | same reason? |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | roughly IIRC |
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| 14:14.45 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 14:14.45 | joeytwiddle | "Its main advantage is an ethical one: it is entirely free software." |
| 14:14.46 | DetroitLibertyPe | are you sure of that, I though IceWeasal was first |
| 14:14.47 | stew | nsadmin: its a much deeper fork though |
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| 14:15.09 | mintux | but I so excited to learn how does it works .. and if it need learn c too |
| 14:15.16 | abrotman | how many tines does it have? |
| 14:15.35 | nsadmin | so a spork is a shallow fork? |
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| 14:15.51 | abrotman | amphi: see .. it's catching on! |
| 14:15.59 | mustafa_ | I need ff it self with all artwork? |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:16.16 | enouf | you;re asking us? |
| 14:16.16 | nsadmin | you'd have to build it then, I guess |
| 14:16.26 | abrotman | mustafa_: what's wrong with iceweasel that debian already provides? |
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| 14:16.45 | mustafa_ | because I like it! |
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| 14:16.50 | abrotman | they're the same! |
| 14:16.55 | joeytwiddle | you can just download a firefox binary from their website, unpack it in /usr/local/ |
| 14:17.09 | mustafa_ | ti's not the same |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | mustafa_: why isn't it? |
| 14:17.18 | enouf | always liked the term 'same difference' |
| 14:17.32 | mustafa_ | ff-3.5 |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | prefers SSDD :) |
| 14:17.36 | nkuttler | no auto-updates? |
| 14:17.45 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:17.55 | abrotman | mustafa_: you'll have to ask the mozilla people, 3.5 isn't released, and there are no debian packages |
| 14:18.25 | mustafa_ | i think there's ubuntu package, can I use it |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | go ahead and try .. what's the worst that happens, your computer dies |
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| 14:19.01 | enouf | it's like; "6 of one, half a dozen of the other" == same diff :-p |
| 14:19.26 | mamalujo | what does it mean when some package is shown in synaptic to depend on another package both >= to some version and < than that same version+? |
| 14:20.08 | nkuttler | mamalujo: example? |
| 14:20.11 | enouf | >= is greater than or equal to |
| 14:20.19 | mesa_booger | mamalujo: that's usually symtomatic of 2 things : bad packaging, bad eyesight, or both |
| 14:20.34 | enouf | and you can deduce what < is from there :-P |
| 14:21.02 | mamalujo | for eg, libghc6-mtl-dev in testing, depends on ghc6 (>= 6.8.2) and hhc (<6.8.2+) . but it is installed, normally, not forced |
| 14:21.14 | mamalujo | s/hhc/ghc6/ |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | dpkg: depends libghc6-mtl-dev testing |
| 14:21.48 | mesa_booger | 6.8.2 != 6.8.2+ |
| 14:21.55 | enouf | release? oh -- using dpkg |
| 14:22.09 | dpkg | libghc6-mtl-dev: depends on ghc6 (>= 6.8.2), ghc6 (<< 6.8.2+) |
| 14:22.16 | abrotman | and << isn't the same as < |
| 14:22.35 | enouf | bad eyesight ftw :-p |
| 14:22.58 | mamalujo | no, synaptic really shows just < , Im looking at it. Whats << ? |
| 14:23.24 | enouf | file a bug .. or update your cache? |
| 14:23.27 | abrotman | The relations allowed are <<, <=, =, >= and >> for strictly earlier, earlier or equal, exactly equal, later or equal and strictly later, respectively. |
| 14:23.55 | abrotman | judd: versions ghc6 |
| 14:23.56 | judd | abrotman: ghc6 -- etch: 6.6-3 lenny: 6.8.2dfsg1-1 squeeze: 6.8.2dfsg1-1 sid: 6.10.3-2 |
| 14:23.57 | enouf | abrotman: factoid baking? |
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| 14:24.07 | nsadmin | so no < or >? |
| 14:24.12 | abrotman | enouf: it's in the Debian policy |
| 14:24.18 | abrotman | The deprecated forms < and > were used to mean earlier/later or equal, rather than strictly earlier/later, so they should not appear in new packages (though dpkg still supports them). |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html .. you could read yourselves :) |
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| 14:25.02 | nsadmin | ok, but sheesh :) they could have realized all that sooner :) |
| 14:25.05 | mamalujo | its the same meaning as I thought then. so its saying both strictly earleer and later than equal of the same version |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | mamalujo: anyways .. what's the real problem ? |
| 14:25.25 | P4C0 | hello is there an specific channel about making .deb packages? |
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| 14:25.40 | abrotman | P4C0: you can try here, or #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 14:25.40 | nkuttler | P4C0: new maint guide is a good start |
| 14:25.41 | mesa_booger | mamalujo: it's not the same version |
| 14:25.45 | mesa_booger | 6.8.2 != 6.8.2+ |
| 14:25.51 | forfolias_ | thn kanei gt tha xasei to treno gia athina. bb |
| 14:26.04 | abrotman | forfolias_: english please |
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| 14:26.29 | enouf | dpkg: dependency symbols is The relations allowed are <<, <=, =, >= and >> for strictly earlier, earlier or equal, exactly equal, later or equal and strictly later, respectively. see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 14:26.30 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 14:26.38 | zimik | hii |
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| 14:26.57 | jor | Hey |
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| 14:27.10 | enouf | someone rename it to something more apropos if you like - i'm bad at naming shit appropriately |
| 14:27.10 | mesa_booger | can we also add "+ is not equal to the empty string", just for completeness ? |
| 14:27.36 | jor | I'm trying to switch GTK theme in Xfce but everything is blue and clearlooksy. |
| 14:27.37 | mamalujo | ah so thats the catch! I though 6.8.2+ meant 6.8.2 or any later :) no problem right now exacly, only had some issues with those packages when trying to upgrade some optional libs of xmonad to unstable after changing ghc to 6.10 also from unstable. thought maybe these strange dependencies had something to do with it |
| 14:28.00 | P4C0 | thanks, the thing is that I have a code (.tar.gz) and I want to make a package, I can use dh_make or dpkg-buildpackage right? which one is the best? or what are the differences? |
| 14:28.02 | jor | I installed some gtk-engines like murrine but it doesn't seem to have helped. |
| 14:29.20 | enouf | is done baking factoids for this morning .. now .. which shall it be, whiskey or beer .. hrm .. lessee - i'd have to go out to get beer .. so |
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| 14:30.24 | mamalujo | enouf, as long as its not green :) |
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| 14:34.35 | mamalujo | so, what does 6.8.2+ mean really? |
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| 14:40.11 | amphi | abrotman: *shudder* ;) |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 14:41.40 | enouf | mamalujo: dpkg> libghc6-mtl-dev: depends on ghc6 (>= 6.8.2), ghc6 (<< 6.8.2+) means any version Greater than or Equal to 6.8.2, but strictly earlier than 6.8.2-whatever .. however, i wonder if that is mincing ARCHs in that info - check with p.d.o for completeness |
| 14:42.21 | enouf | judd: depends libghc6-mtl-dev --arch i386 |
| 14:42.22 | judd | enouf: libghc6-mtl-dev -- Depends: ghc6 (>= 6.8.2), ghc6 (<< 6.8.2+) |
| 14:42.37 | enouf | guess not :-p |
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| 14:43.14 | P4C0 | sorry I got disconnected |
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| 14:43.44 | enouf | is confused ... and i'd prefer beer, so out i go into the rain :-P |
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| 14:44.01 | abrotman | P4C0: you can try here, or #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 14:44.24 | P4C0 | abrotman: thanks, I got that one |
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| 14:45.00 | P4C0 | the thing is dh_make or dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:45.20 | abrotman | pretty sure the nmg tells you |
| 14:45.52 | mamalujo | aha, so say 6.8.2,1 would be strictly earlier than 6.8.2+? but 6.8.3 would not? or does that leave only 6.8.2 as both earlier than 6.8.2+ and later-or-equal to 6.8.2? |
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| 14:48.37 | jpinx | judd: versions vlc |
| 14:48.37 | judd | jpinx: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.9.9a-3 squeeze: 0.9.9a-3 experimental: 1.0.0~rc2-1 |
| 14:49.20 | _johann_ | Anybody know what iam missing here? http://pastebin.com/m5f5e84a9 - feels like iam missing something liek mkinifs or something? |
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| 14:50.17 | potatode1on | Howdy, I am running Lenny. How can I install g++3.4? A very old version of g++ |
| 14:50.51 | jpinx | Anyone know why judd lists versions as etch/lenny/sid/squeeze ? Surely it's more logical to go etch/lenny/squeeze/sid ? |
| 14:51.11 | mesa_booger | alphabetical ? |
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| 14:51.36 | hark | the way it's in the database probably |
| 14:51.44 | jpinx | that's a bit childish? |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:51.54 | jpinx | I though we are better than that |
| 14:52.01 | jpinx | *thought |
| 14:52.06 | jpinx | ;) |
| 14:52.10 | abrotman | potatode1on: i doubt it would work .. but IIRC gnu.org/gcc has static compilers ? |
| 14:52.39 | nsadmin | since when :P |
| 14:53.01 | hark | mamalujo: any version greater than or e~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~qual to 6.8.2 but less that 6.8.2+ |
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| 14:53.11 | nkuttler | they should have for bootstrapping |
| 14:53.45 | hark | *any version greater than or equal to 6.8.2 but less than 6.8.2+ |
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| 14:54.02 | mesa_booger | i preferred e~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~qual |
| 14:55.12 | \amethyst | potatode1on: have you tried adding an etch repository and installing g++-3.4 ? |
| 14:55.31 | potatode1on | \amethyst: no, I have not tried that yet. I will give it a go now. |
| 14:55.39 | mamalujo | hark, thx, I guess I was confused as to what 6.8.2-something might be and how its fits in the order or versions, but I think I'm getting fixated too much on the detail so nvm |
| 14:56.35 | \amethyst | potatode1on: you might have to downgrade gcc-3.4 and a few other packages to the version from etch |
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| 14:57.10 | potatode1on | What is the difference between gcc and g++ ? Are they the same? |
| 14:57.20 | hark | 6.8.2-1 will satisfy it. 6.8.3 won't |
| 14:57.58 | \amethyst | potatode1on: gcc is C, g++ is C++ |
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| 14:59.26 | potatode1on | ah, ok. There is a gcc-3.4 package in the sid repo, but no g++-3.4. I hoped they would be the same |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | it is ? |
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| 14:59.26 | mamalujo | thx |
| 14:59.32 | abrotman | potatode1on: wait .. did you actually try to install gcc-3.4 ? |
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| 15:00.03 | potatode1on | abrotman: yes, and it worked. |
| 15:00.05 | \amethyst | potatode1on: you'll need gcc-3.4 from etch to install g++-3.4 from etch, because the latter has a versioned dependency on the former |
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| 15:00.16 | \amethyst | potatode1on: so you'll have to downgrade that package |
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| 15:01.34 | abrotman | potatode1on: you could always do this in a vm/chroot |
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| 15:02.16 | sepisultrum | Is there a way to downgrade the linux kernel in aptitude? |
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| 15:02.50 | \amethyst | sepisultrum: install for example linux-image-2.6.26-686 |
| 15:03.11 | \amethyst | sepisultrum: that won't remove the current kernel, but rather install an older one that you can choose at the boot menu |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | sepisultrum: downgrade from what to what? |
| 15:03.38 | \amethyst | sepisultrum: once you've booted to that kernel you can remove the old (new?) one |
| 15:03.46 | sepisultrum | abrotman: let's say 2.6.29 to 2.6.27 |
| 15:04.04 | abrotman | or even, what's wrong with the one you have? |
| 15:04.13 | simonrvn | i wouldn't recommend it |
| 15:04.28 | simonrvn | not .27 |
| 15:04.29 | sepisultrum | abrotman: well, suspend to ram does not always work |
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| 15:05.06 | cantido | suspend to ram is nightmare inducing technology.. |
| 15:05.12 | sepisultrum | and I have problems with random hangs when doing stuff in firefox, where I'm not able to recover from |
| 15:05.26 | sepisultrum | it worked flawlessly before 29 |
| 15:05.37 | cantido | sepisultrum: have you checked dmesg? |
| 15:05.41 | sepisultrum | on my thinkpad x41 tablet |
| 15:05.45 | cantido | sepisultrum: top etc? |
| 15:05.55 | sepisultrum | cantido: with the hangs? |
| 15:06.08 | sepisultrum | cantido: nothing works when it hangs |
| 15:06.18 | cantido | sepisultrum: it totally crashes? |
| 15:06.27 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 15:06.40 | cantido | sepisultrum: is it just firefox or any network-bound application? |
| 15:06.40 | sepisultrum | cantido: it hangs, I can't get to a text console, only the mouse pointer works... |
| 15:06.56 | sepisultrum | cantido: it only occured to me when using ff |
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| 15:07.02 | simonrvn | those two got flooded off at the same time... |
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| 15:07.37 | verwilst | justin: i seems that removing the console= entries makes it work flawlessly |
| 15:07.49 | justin | verwilst: oh? cool.. I was just guessing there heh |
| 15:08.03 | verwilst | justin: strange though.. |
| 15:08.09 | justin | how exactly do the blades consoles work? |
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| 15:08.45 | justin | i mean, not sure if your problem is related to the kernel options in general, or something specific to the blade HW |
| 15:09.08 | verwilst | well, it's a coworker in the DC that's emailing me those shots |
| 15:09.14 | justin | I finally figured out how to get the serial console available over IPMI on the dells.. that was a PITA |
| 15:09.14 | verwilst | and i have to guide him from here :) |
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| 15:09.34 | cantido | sepisultrum: lockups like that could be caused by a lot of things really though |
| 15:09.34 | verwilst | problem is that the 1850's don't have ipmi |
| 15:09.50 | justin | verwilst: they don't? |
| 15:10.05 | justin | i have an 1850 that has ipmi, but that may be because I got the drac card |
| 15:10.10 | justin | er, DRAC :) |
| 15:10.23 | ehazlett | greetings... i am trying to setup ssl with apache2 on debian 5 -- i was going through a how to and saw to use the apache2-ssl-certificate command but i don't seem to have it ... can anyone help? |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | ehazlett: that's an old guide .. |
| 15:11.12 | ehazlett | abrotman: ok |
| 15:11.13 | sepisultrum | \amethyst: E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.26-686 |
| 15:11.14 | nsadmin | ehazlett: perhaps there's a package you're missing... try apt-cache search apache2 |
| 15:11.24 | hark | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 15:11.24 | dpkg | apache2-ssl-certificate is, like, no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package 'ssl-cert' instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520, or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
| 15:11.24 | verwilst | which is why i asked now to leave in the console=0tty0 and remove console=ttyS1,... |
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| 15:11.36 | ehazlett | nsadmin: i did -- i have the ssl module, i just don't know how to generate the cert |
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| 15:11.48 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:11.54 | \amethyst | sepisultrum: you'll need lenny sources |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | ehazlett: make-ssl-cert .. good luck |
| 15:12.14 | ehazlett | abrotman: :) |
| 15:12.28 | sepisultrum | \amethyst: so when you are on sid, the older kernels will be removed faster? |
| 15:12.30 | ehazlett | abrotman: i just found the Readme for creating them... sorry :) |
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| 15:14.05 | hark | there's no linux-image-2.6.26-686 package afaik |
| 15:14.33 | wooj | Linux woojy 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu May 28 15:39:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:14.37 | wooj | hmm. |
| 15:15.10 | martin12345 | I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.1 "Standard System"(it is a base system without X), then xserver-org, then TWM(Timeless Window Manager), then GDM and finally rdesktop. I would like that when I start the computer, TWM starts automatically and then rdesktop will start automatically. Now the only problem is, that rdesktop will not start automatically. I made a fallowing script: http://pastebin.com/d39673a72 into /etc/init.d folder. Then "c |
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| 15:15.30 | hark | maybe linux-image-686 or linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:15.37 | wooj | hark, its linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:15.45 | wooj | so sayeth apt-cache search |
| 15:15.56 | justin | martin12345: rdesktop does not belong in an init script |
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| 15:16.34 | martin12345 | justin: do you mean, that init is not capable of lauching rdesktop? |
| 15:16.39 | justin | martin12345: create a user account and set gdm to auto login that user, set that users window manager to 'rdesktop ...' |
| 15:16.48 | justin | martin12345: i mean that you should not be having init launch rdesktop |
| 15:17.34 | martin12345 | justin: ok, I thought that init is some sort of "programlauncher", which is capable starting every application :) |
| 15:17.46 | martin12345 | *capable of |
| 15:18.21 | justin | 'does not belong' 'should not' |
| 15:18.26 | justin | where did I say that it wasn't capable? |
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| 15:20.11 | iateadonut | just moving to kde 4, and since i have to get rid of all my old kde 3 configs anyway, was curious what's a good 3d desktop configuration |
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| 15:21.38 | jelly | one that works and isn't a hog? |
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| 15:21.51 | nsadmin | it has to be good! |
| 15:21.58 | m45h | would it be possible to install this http://karesansui-project.info/wiki/karesansui/En_tutorial on Debian Etch |
| 15:22.43 | martin12345 | justin: ok. However, maybe I should stick with init script, because my final goal is this: I'll press the computer ON/OFF button --> GDM logs me in automatically(already works) --> TWM starts(already works) --> rdesktop starts full screen(does not work) --> When I log OFF from windows server(in other words when I close the rdesktop application), the computer will shut down. Is this possible to achieve with init scripts? |
| 15:22.49 | jelly | disabled most of the effects on kde4, tried if for a few days and when it was not reliable on the meager i915 card went back to xfce |
| 15:23.37 | nsadmin | m45h maybe... but first look into the xen stuff that exists for lenny |
| 15:23.47 | justin | martin12345: you need to learn how X sessions work |
| 15:23.47 | dhblewis | Hi, I am having problems with php curl. http://pastebin.com/d7f3e7fb3 |
| 15:24.18 | m45h | nsadmin i cant seem to find much abuot Xen for Debian 4.0 |
| 15:24.21 | nsadmin | it's possible you could install some of that stuff on top of a xen dom0 that came from packages |
| 15:24.31 | nsadmin | I'm talking about 5.0 |
| 15:24.41 | justin | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 15:24.47 | nsadmin | and 4.0 does have the kernels and hypervisor etc |
| 15:24.51 | nkuttler | dhblewis: no, you have an initrd problem. and dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:24.59 | cantido | justin: kde4 is pretty good here on an atom machine.. |
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| 15:25.09 | justin | cantido: that's nice? |
| 15:25.32 | dhblewis | nkuttler how do i fix it? |
| 15:25.37 | nkuttler | dhblewis: what? |
| 15:25.43 | martin12345 | justin: so this idea, what I described, is impossible to do with init scripts? |
| 15:25.52 | cantido | justin: similar hardware to the i915 I think,.. hence I said. |
| 15:26.07 | ehazlett | is there a way to completely bypass user input in apt during installation of packages (to auto install)? |
| 15:26.18 | justin | martin12345: you need to learn how X sessions work |
| 15:26.18 | project2501a | hello: i'd like to do a network installation of debian: wol the pc, then have bootp/dhcpd direct it to an ip where it will bootstrap the OS and boot/install from the image, where i will have pre-determined values |
| 15:26.38 | project2501a | i know that kickstart is rhel-oriented. is there something analogous for debian? |
| 15:26.42 | dhblewis | nkuttler how do i fix it? i.e what do i need to do? |
| 15:26.48 | justin | project2501a: fai or d-i preseeding |
| 15:26.57 | cantido | ehazlett: you can set debconf's priority to high.. I'm not sure you can disable questions completely |
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| 15:27.10 | cantido | project2501a: fai I think.. |
| 15:27.10 | nkuttler | dhblewis: try to debug the postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:27.29 | martin12345 | justin: Wikipedia "X session manager" article or somethinb better? |
| 15:27.37 | project2501a | justin, cantido : thanks, i'll go look it up |
| 15:27.39 | ehazlett | cantido: thx -- i was using DEBIANFRONTEND=noninteractive but it doesn't seem to work -- sensors-applet was asking questions... |
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| 15:28.12 | iateadonut | actually, i'm on lxdesktop, i just realized. |
| 15:28.14 | cantido | ehazlett: well, you'll always get some questions unless you just download the packages and don't configure them I guess |
| 15:28.15 | iateadonut | which runs pretty fast. |
| 15:28.21 | iateadonut | i thought it was a fork from kde. |
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| 15:28.51 | justin | martin12345: when you login to say, a gnome session. How does gnome get started? is it from init? |
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| 15:29.09 | m45h | How can i check the Version of Xen installed on my server |
| 15:29.15 | arvind_khadri | hi, am trying to compile gyachi from source, when i run autogen.sh i get that `AM_PROG_MKDIR_P' is missing, how do i overcome it... i googled but ntn came up |
| 15:29.19 | cantido | iateadonut: I find most of the desktops run about the same now.. its all the background crap they install that make the difference |
| 15:29.20 | ehazlett | cantido: yeah i was wondering if there was a way to just use the default configuration with the package |
| 15:30.02 | cantido | ehazlett: packages like the kernel etc should ask questions though.. dangerous otherwise |
| 15:30.13 | ehazlett | cantido: true |
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| 15:30.21 | petemc | m45h: dpkg -l|grep xen , the hypervisor package should contain a version string |
| 15:30.25 | martin12345 | justin: I think gnome session is launched by GDM, but GDM should be launched by init. |
| 15:30.26 | dhblewis | nkuttler im a newbie when it comes to linux and i dont understand a word tbh, if you could have a look @ http://pastebin.com/d24ad0fc4 i'd apprecaite it |
| 15:30.54 | justin | martin12345: right |
| 15:31.04 | justin | martin12345: so now replace 'gnome session' with 'rdesktop session' |
| 15:31.07 | nkuttler | dhblewis: put "set -x" without the quotes at the second line, run dpkg --configure -a, paste the error |
| 15:31.21 | nkuttler | dhblewis: pastebin |
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| 15:31.39 | m45h | petmec: i pasted dpkg -l|grep xen in SSh nothing comes up |
| 15:31.44 | nkuttler | dhblewis: you're not out of diskspace or something like that, are you? |
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| 15:32.37 | martin12345 | justin: ok, but there isn't "rdesktop session" menu option in GDM. How can I add more session options into GDM? |
| 15:34.19 | justin | martin12345: /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 15:34.59 | martin12345 | justin: thanks! I'll give it a try |
| 15:35.11 | dhblewis | nkutter i have 10gb of disk space will sned you the error in a second just need to edit file.. |
| 15:37.24 | arvind_khadri | any help ?? |
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| 15:39.03 | cantido | Is DKIM part of the packaged exim (light or heavy) in =>lenny? |
| 15:39.39 | petemc | no |
| 15:39.55 | \amethyst | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459883 |
| 15:39.56 | cantido | thanks :) |
| 15:39.58 | dhblewis | nkuttler http://pastebin.com/d48c6fe50 |
| 15:40.01 | Katy | Hi! From the wiki it's not really clear to me, searching the web brings both ways up. Preparing usb stick for installer: zcat the image to /dev/sdd or to /dev/sdd1 ? |
| 15:40.21 | nkuttler | dhblewis: please, run dpkg-reconfigure locales and build the "en_US.UTF-8" ones |
| 15:40.24 | wam | Katy: use partitions. sdd1. |
| 15:40.58 | Katy | wam: thx |
| 15:41.12 | nkuttler | dhblewis: grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map. <- do that, /boot/grub/device.map |
| 15:41.45 | nkuttler | dhblewis: did you add/remove hard disks? |
| 15:42.21 | dhblewis | nkuttler its a vps and it got rebuilt there was some errors witth mapping but I was told they were fixed. |
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| 15:43.02 | nkuttler | dhblewis: well, doesn't look like they are. pastebin your device.map and cat /proc/partitions |
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| 15:43.27 | nkuttler | dhblewis: or try #grub, i'm really not an expert on that matter |
| 15:43.28 | ed0n0n | I trying to run a wu-ftp server with /etc/init.d/wu-ftp start, but using status parameter says its not running. I have the default configuration, where could I see whats going wrong? |
| 15:43.34 | ed0n0n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.58 | smacnay | Hi, I am pulling all my photo off of a previous debian drive (lvm) to a current fresh install. For some reason, all my photos in f-spot and gcstar (movie poster thumbs) don't appear. |
| 15:44.01 | dhblewis | nkuttler thanks for all your help. i really appreciate it. ill get on to my vps provider see if they can sort me out thanks again |
| 15:44.30 | smacnay | I believe I have all the config files in place and f-spot opened with everything in place except the photos appearing. |
| 15:46.34 | arvind_khadri | hi, am trying to compile gyachi from source, when i run autogen.sh i get that `AM_PROG_MKDIR_P' is missing, how do i overcome it... i googled but ntn came up |
| 15:46.40 | arvind_khadri | how do i go about it? |
| 15:46.45 | m45h | Can someone help what to do next |
| 15:46.46 | m45h | http://pastebin.com/m6378f7b5 |
| 15:46.48 | ed0n0n | 441 |
| 15:46.51 | m45h | im a n00b by the way |
| 15:48.12 | nkuttler | m45h: try http://www.sshkeychain.org/mirrors/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ . I wouldn't build root keys |
| 15:49.10 | bpgoldsb | Anyone know a good, command-line based utility for keeping an encrypted file with sensitive (password) data, that does not require special(root) privileges? |
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| 15:49.27 | project2501a | gorilla? |
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| 15:49.44 | nkuttler | bpgoldsb: gpg? |
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| 15:50.00 | DVA5912 | Which is easier to customize Gnome or KDE? |
| 15:50.03 | bpgoldsb | password gorilla needs a frontent |
| 15:50.07 | bpgoldsb | like gnome |
| 15:50.09 | bbelt16ag | which cd images do I need for debian testing 1386 I can't find the info |
| 15:50.18 | nkuttler | bbelt16ag: install stable, upgrade later |
| 15:50.30 | project2501a | DVA5912: depends what you mean by "customizing" |
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| 15:50.40 | bpgoldsb | i suppose gpg would work, but I was hopeing something with more emphasis on managing passwords and not just encryption |
| 15:50.41 | bbelt16ag | why? |
| 15:50.57 | DVA5912 | project2501a: down to the font sizes. the boot up images, the desktop of course, entire apperance. |
| 15:51.13 | nkuttler | bbelt16ag: testing breaks. you install testing, can't install software, come here and ask many questions how to fix it |
| 15:51.22 | project2501a | DVA5912: that's a very broad question. a very short answer is "both" |
| 15:51.24 | bbelt16ag | very well |
| 15:51.33 | project2501a | DVA5912: since both are being controlled by files. |
| 15:51.36 | nkuttler | bbelt16ag: oh, install all the apps you need in stable of course |
| 15:51.37 | bbelt16ag | I will install stable.. |
| 15:51.47 | enouf | ahhh .. much better ;-) |
| 15:51.53 | project2501a | DVA5912: i mean, since both use files to control those settigns |
| 15:52.10 | DVA5912 | What does Gnome offer that KDE doesnt? |
| 15:52.29 | nkuttler | a foot icon? |
| 15:52.40 | DVA5912 | Thats it?! |
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| 15:53.14 | eMaX | hi all |
| 15:53.27 | bbelt16ag | so which cds do I need ? |
| 15:53.42 | bbelt16ag | just the first one? |
| 15:53.47 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.51 | enouf | !netinstall |
| 15:53.52 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 15:53.53 | nkuttler | bbelt16ag: or netinst, even smaller |
| 15:53.53 | DVA5912 | So tell me this. When ubuntu people took debian how did they make it their "Own" just customizing? |
| 15:53.58 | eMaX | can someone please help me - I want a default route over eth0 to 192.168.1.1 /but/ I want a route that directs all traffic on network 192.168.1.0 except the traffic for 192.168.1.1 to tap0 |
| 15:54.06 | nkuttler | DVA5912: huh? |
| 15:54.08 | enouf | or even businesscard.iso :-p |
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| 15:54.19 | DVA5912 | i should have said chose |
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| 15:55.04 | RT200_wifi | eMaX: route add -host 192.168.1.1 dev tap0 |
| 15:55.23 | eMaX | 1.1 shall go on eth0 |
| 15:55.23 | enouf | install iproute pkgs and see /etc/iproute/* for config files? check /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> for docs, and hit the man page(s) |
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| 15:55.25 | nkuttler | i think he might want -net 192.168.1.0 |
| 15:55.38 | sepski | RT200_wifi, then use eth0 instead of tap0 |
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| 15:55.43 | sepski | eMaX, i mean |
| 15:55.46 | eMaX | so I assume route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 tap0 and then route add -host 192.168.1.1 eth0 ? |
| 15:55.55 | m45h | is this right for installing VNC server in debian Etch ' apt-get install vnc4serve' |
| 15:56.06 | sepski | eMaX, the more spesific host route will take precedence over the net route |
| 15:56.23 | enouf | eMaX: ls /sys/class/net says? |
| 15:56.32 | eMaX | route add -host 192.168.1.1 eth0 not permitted |
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| 15:56.42 | enouf | as root |
| 15:56.47 | eMaX | eth0 lo pan0 tap0 vmnet8 wlan0 wmaster0 |
| 15:56.53 | eMaX | I'm talking about eth0 and tap0 |
| 15:56.56 | eMaX | tap0 is a vpn adapter |
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| 15:57.07 | eMaX | that vpn is unfortunately on the same network as the internet cafe where I am in |
| 15:57.39 | eMaX | so I want to default route (all that's not 192.168.1.x) over their gateway (192.168.1.1), but I want to route all traffic on 192.168.1.x (except 192.168.1.1) over tap0, which is my vpn |
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| 15:58.42 | enouf | you wouldn't happen to be in Nigeria, would you? |
| 15:58.50 | eMaX | LOL |
| 15:58.57 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:59.15 | eMaX | route add -host 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
| 15:59.16 | eMaX | works |
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| 15:59.20 | eMaX | but then how to add the net route |
| 15:59.22 | nkuttler | not according to /whois |
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| 15:59.51 | eMaX | ok worked |
| 15:59.58 | enouf | doesn't bother with /whois and such anymore, since using irssi makes it such a PITA |
| 16:00.00 | eMaX | route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 tap0 |
| 16:00.04 | eMaX | I'm in poland |
| 16:00.11 | martin12345 | justin: I made a rdesktop.desktop file into /usr/share/xsessions directory which had fallowing content: http://pastebin.com/d109f93f1 However, I was'nt able to start rdesktop. It looked like this "Exec="/usr/bin/rdesktop -f 192.168.1.2"" value isn't fine wor GDM. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:00.22 | subopt | How do i find out which app dumped a certain core file? |
| 16:00.30 | \amethyst | subopt: file core |
| 16:00.38 | martin12345 | *for |
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| 16:01.17 | \amethyst | subopt: it should say something like core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, from 'locate -r ^core$' |
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| 16:01.45 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, i needed some help |
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| 16:02.26 | subopt | \amethyst: thanks |
| 16:02.34 | \amethyst | arvind_khadri: do you have the correct version of automake and autoconf for that application? |
| 16:02.54 | enouf | martin12345: have you ever yet managed to get GDM to login auto using TWM as WM? |
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| 16:03.49 | \amethyst | arvind_khadri: http://www.mail-archive.com/automake@gnu.org/msg13329.html suggests to use automake 1.10 (which is the version in the 'automake' package) |
| 16:03.52 | martin12345 | enouf: yes, that works fine now |
| 16:04.06 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, just a sec |
| 16:04.08 | enouf | ok - excellent martin12345 |
| 16:04.20 | enouf | i know nothing about rdesktop |
| 16:04.35 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, 1.10.1 |
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| 16:05.14 | _apk | hello :) |
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| 16:05.48 | martin12345 | enouf: ok, but isn't there some kind of startup scripts, which are able to execute after the TWM has started? My goal is to start rdesktop after the TWM login has occured |
| 16:05.51 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, aaah wait its not installed.... the mirror also seems to be down as of now...thanks for the help |
| 16:06.07 | \amethyst | arvind_khadri: ah... if you have more problems with autoconf/automake you might try ##workingset |
| 16:06.22 | jaggz- | Iceweasel's redraw is REALLY slow... when I alt-tab between it and my shell (for development), it takes 2 seconds before it redraws.. .that's a really long frustrating time. Konqueror's almost instant |
| 16:06.24 | jaggz- | what can I do? |
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| 16:06.30 | \amethyst | arvind_khadri: also #autotools |
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| 16:06.50 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, thanks a lot :) |
| 16:07.11 | jaggz- | konqueror's display of pages is weird though.. I'm not sure why it's so different from firefox. |
| 16:07.15 | _apk | I'm experiencing some difficulties installing debian etch r8 (with etch 'n half everything goes fine). The net-install hangs at 5% and if I switch console I see that it's expecting some sort of input (there's a yes/no question), and of course I cannot send input to that console. Is there any know problem? thanks |
| 16:08.39 | enouf | jaggz-: install adblock and flashblock to start |
| 16:08.46 | enouf | clear the cache and history |
| 16:09.01 | _apk | I forgot to specify that I'm using this image: debian-40r8-i386-netinst.iso 11-Apr-2009 11:27 161M :) |
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| 16:10.33 | themill | _apk: if etchnhalf works fine, why not just use it? (or lenny, for that matter) |
| 16:10.37 | aberration | Hi!! |
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| 16:11.30 | _apk | themill, customer requests...I have to use the net-install as I have to install a bunch of servers via PXE |
| 16:11.58 | themill | _apk: customer particularly wants 2.6.18 kernel rather than 2.6.24? |
| 16:12.04 | _apk | using the DVD image for 4.0r8 works fine, but I'd prefer to avoid doing manual install |
| 16:12.24 | enouf | !5% error |
| 16:12.24 | dpkg | well, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
| 16:12.37 | _apk | themill, I don't really know, but for him etch 'n half is not good. he wants etch :( |
| 16:13.00 | themill | _apk: it's the only difference.... (that and some X drivers, but they won't come into this) |
| 16:13.13 | aberration | Hi, I've installed the pure:dyne RT kernel and it seems that I got a segmentation fault (with messages such as [00ax45] ida_pre_get)... what can I do to fix this? |
| 16:13.52 | _apk | do you have any ideas on why there's a yes/no question on the third (or second don't remember) console? |
| 16:13.55 | kc | does anyone know where I can find frontpage 5.0.2.4 ? |
| 16:14.01 | enouf | you're better off just compiling your own RT kernel |
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| 16:14.11 | kc | for debian installation |
| 16:14.15 | enouf | see ##windows kc |
| 16:14.21 | kc | its for linux |
| 16:14.27 | kc | its a package for linux |
| 16:14.30 | _apk | there's a list of packages and a question at the end...I'm sorry that I cannot be more specific at the moment but I don't have the output screen in front of me :) |
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| 16:14.58 | themill | _apk: perhaps the customer doesn't understand what etchnhalf is. It is literally the same as etch but with an updated kernel. (See also the last line dpkg wrote) |
| 16:15.06 | aberration | enouf do you have some good places to find up to date sources? |
| 16:15.21 | enouf | kernel.org |
| 16:15.37 | enouf | or /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 16:15.43 | themill | _apk: I'd be tempted to just give them etchnhalf and see if they notice. Bet they won't! |
| 16:15.50 | jaggz- | enouf, I only have one tab up with no ads in it.. i have flashblock in |
| 16:15.52 | _apk | I have already tried to explain him, but at the end I'm paid to do what the customer wants, and if the customer is a stupid there's nothing I can do! |
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| 16:16.18 | aberration | enouf... hum that's a good place ^^ |
| 16:16.21 | aberration | thanks |
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| 16:16.31 | enouf | jaggz-: what's your hardware, and which version of IW, and how much RAM, and is any swap being used? |
| 16:16.34 | themill | _apk: our cluebat isn't busy just at the moment -- feel free to borrow it for a bit |
| 16:16.44 | enouf | top will show you FF/IW hogs ram |
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| 16:17.52 | enouf | couldn't you just install etch+half then add the 18 kernel and remove the 24 one? :-P |
| 16:18.10 | _apk | themill, tonight I'll start the installation again and I'll write down exactly which question is asking me. Then I'll ask again |
| 16:18.10 | jaggz- | HD's not touched at all.. I think iw is just slow -- probably because it's so careful with all the modern day layout bloat. It's a 1.5GHz thinkpad, iceweasel 3.0.6, 264 mb free ram of 712 total |
| 16:18.16 | jaggz- | err 768 total.. |
| 16:18.43 | themill | _apk: did you check the last line the dpkg bot wrote? /msg dpkg 5% error |
| 16:18.46 | jaggz- | running kde 3, if it matters |
| 16:18.48 | enouf | Mozilla Iceweasel 3.0.9, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2009 mozilla.org |
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| 16:19.55 | enouf | 512 RAM on a p2 and yes, it takes time between IW and other apps, but not such sucky lag downloading a page and switching tabs like Konqout does |
| 16:20.00 | johndoe | how can one measure time precisely on linux? (microsecond level) |
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| 16:20.20 | jaggz- | how'd you get that version? apt shows this 3.0.6 one as latest (and I'm sure I've updated within the week) |
| 16:20.28 | jaggz- | johndoe, measure time of what? |
| 16:20.44 | johndoe | a procedure in C |
| 16:20.47 | _apk | yes I have read it! if I'm correct, the latest available 4.0r8 image should not have problems with the keys that are changed. right? |
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| 16:20.57 | ajavid | good morning |
| 16:20.59 | ajavid | I woke up |
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| 16:21.18 | jaggz- | hmm.. man gettimeofday() supports usecs |
| 16:21.29 | EvanCarroll | I want to submit a pretty major patch against libxml-sax-perl, where is the devloper medium to talk about this? |
| 16:21.31 | jaggz- | I'm not sure of its accuracy/linearity though |
| 16:21.33 | enouf | johndoe: http://www.google.com/gwt/n?source=pagecreator&u=http://madhurtanwani.googlepages.com/highrestimer perhaps |
| 16:21.37 | johndoe | thanks, anything simpler/more accurate |
| 16:21.50 | ajavid | EvanCarroll, perhaps irc.debian.org #debian-devel |
| 16:21.50 | ajavid | ? |
| 16:21.51 | enouf | fixes that lame bookmark |
| 16:21.52 | jelly | EvanCarroll: cpan? |
| 16:22.04 | themill | johndoe: "man 7 time" might be of use |
| 16:22.09 | EvanCarroll | ah |
| 16:22.11 | jelly | EvanCarroll: are you patching the upstream code or the packaging? |
| 16:22.14 | johndoe | themill: thanks |
| 16:22.16 | ajavid | EvanCarroll, you mean for the packagte or upstream ? |
| 16:22.20 | ajavid | jelly, beat me to it |
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| 16:23.00 | EvanCarroll | jelly: well it is a major fucking mess now, which is the problem, the packager is breaking the upstream code. XML::SAX is not cpan's XML::SAX it is a ad-hoc shitmess that some twat copied over and hand hacked within the same namespace. |
| 16:23.20 | mesa_booger | say what you mean |
| 16:23.30 | enouf | johndoe: and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/459691/best-timing-method-in-c |
| 16:23.30 | jelly | EvanCarroll: ah. that's debian-devel stuff all right |
| 16:23.39 | EvanCarroll | he just opened the file and added a debian_ function, if you use cpan and update XML::SAX you break all of debian, and this is a known bug!!! |
| 16:23.40 | johndoe | enouf: thank you sir |
| 16:23.41 | ajavid | yup |
| 16:24.00 | jelly | EvanCarroll: there's a bug in bts for it already? |
| 16:24.10 | EvanCarroll | Yes. sadly. |
| 16:24.19 | EvanCarroll | The official response is CPAN is not supported by debian, bug-closed. |
| 16:24.20 | ajavid | EvanCarroll, wow. |
| 16:24.20 | jelly | EvanCarroll: you can try pinging it |
| 16:24.34 | johndoe | rdtsc is unreliable :( |
| 16:24.48 | jelly | johndoe: oh noes! |
| 16:24.52 | jaggz- | I mean, you could use cpu cycles right? |
| 16:24.57 | EvanCarroll | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=130376 |
| 16:25.06 | jelly | jeez, that's old |
| 16:25.19 | EvanCarroll | Yea, I know. It makes me tear blood. |
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| 16:25.41 | jelly | I don't really get the "cpan not supported" issue; it mostly works |
| 16:25.52 | jaggz- | I mean, honestly your routine's timing will vary |
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| 16:25.59 | jaggz- | run it a thousand times in a loop if you want to average it out |
| 16:25.59 | jelly | yeah things will break when perl gets upgraded, but I expect that |
| 16:26.10 | EvanCarroll | So I'm going to fix it, I think, and package libxml-sax-perl as being the true unmodified libxml-sax-perl from upstream cpan, and then cpan a subclassed XML::SAX, as XML::SAX::Debian, and package that into libxml-sax-perl-debian |
| 16:26.21 | EvanCarroll | or that's what I see the bug-fix being at now. |
| 16:26.35 | jaggz- | johndoe, you should probably try ##c for coding issues though |
| 16:26.37 | enouf | johndoe: one more http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.28/Documentation/timers/ |
| 16:26.38 | EvanCarroll | That would permit debian users to use cpanp to update all of the modules without breaking dpkg. |
| 16:26.45 | bbelt16ag | gahhh |
| 16:26.52 | bbelt16ag | stupid torrents, won't finish |
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| 16:27.00 | bbelt16ag | I am at a 99.69 on the bussiness torret |
| 16:27.07 | bbelt16ag | oh oh there it goes yaaa |
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| 16:27.21 | jaggz- | this page says gettimeofday() is accurate http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IO-Port-Programming-4.html |
| 16:27.27 | EvanCarroll | jelly: I'm not talking about updating perl, I'm talking about right now, doing `cpanp install XML::SAX` on any debian system, will break dpkg entirely. |
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| 16:27.53 | EvanCarroll | because debian guys were to stupid and lazy to subclass |
| 16:27.57 | jaggz- | gettimeofday() is easy too.. just make the struct, call it, and you're done. |
| 16:28.01 | jelly | EvanCarroll: "one of the rare occasions where Debian and CPAN cannot coexist out of the box"; if you have a better solution, I guess you could reopen the bug and attach your patchl |
| 16:28.15 | themill | EvanCarroll: are you talking about bug #130376? |
| 16:28.15 | mesa_booger | jaggz-: the simplest and some say best way to idle accurately is to use the select 2 call |
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| 16:28.22 | enouf | jaggz-: iceweasel --version in an xterm gave me that info |
| 16:28.24 | EvanCarroll | themill: Yes, I pasted the link above |
| 16:28.26 | jaggz- | mesa, yes, using select() is good for delays |
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| 16:28.41 | jelly | EvanCarroll: I'd ask the debian-perl people before reopening it though |
| 16:28.42 | jaggz- | but not for checking timing of a function |
| 16:28.55 | EvanCarroll | jelly: why, it is obviously wrong in *every* way... |
| 16:29.02 | EvanCarroll | jelly: there is a good way to do this w/ perl |
| 16:29.07 | EvanCarroll | subclass.ing. |
| 16:29.10 | jaggz- | might as well use usleep() now instead of select() too, but one would have to check the accuracy of each |
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| 16:29.29 | jaggz- | there's also nanosleep() now :) |
| 16:29.44 | jelly | EvanCarroll: tell that to "Debian Perl Group <pkg-perl-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>" and be polite |
| 16:29.45 | themill | EvanCarroll: upstream also acknowledges that as a bug. Their update mechanism is clumsy. Without having looked at the code here, the problem isn't in the debian package but installing both the debian package and the cpan package at the same time. That's always problematic. |
| 16:29.57 | jaggz- | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IO-Port-Programming-4.html |
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| 16:30.03 | nvz | seems I need this f'n patch or I simply will not get linux installed on this f'n server http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/git-commits-head/2008/2/5/731634 |
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| 16:30.32 | jelly | themill: s/always/usually not/ IME |
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| 16:30.45 | jaggz- | again, ask in ##c or #c on efnet |
| 16:30.52 | jaggz- | or ##c++ here |
| 16:31.04 | mazoni | hey guys, i'm trying to configure a default.preseed script to answer yes to an error, but i didn't found any example to use the command read |
| 16:31.05 | jaggz- | or read the million webpages.. or a couple of them :) |
| 16:31.11 | themill | jelly: yeah... we see quite a number of borked perl problems here with people who have extra perl modules kicking around |
| 16:31.14 | EvanCarroll | themill: No, it won't be problematic at all, Debian should have its own module that has this crappy hack in it that module can even sit on CPAN. then you just package the indepdant XML::SAX and the dependant XML::SAX::Debian together. |
| 16:31.16 | nvz | though its date feb 5 2008 so idk.. I guess it never made it into lenny |
| 16:31.19 | EvanCarroll | And violla, all is joy. |
| 16:31.21 | themill | EvanCarroll: When upstream wants to be "update-able" in some way, it's really hard for the packager. |
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| 16:31.38 | jaggz- | since timing is important to everyone and their mother (but maybe not their mother in law, hah.) |
| 16:31.59 | EvanCarroll | Bleh, the issue here isn't broken compatability, upstream has a bug fix, the problem is that there is a whole trivial function that shouldn't be there, there. |
| 16:32.12 | EvanCarroll | anyway, thanks for that email address I will write now. |
| 16:32.24 | EvanCarroll | do i have to subscribe? |
| 16:32.51 | jelly | EvanCarroll: probably not, it's the maintainer address for most perl stuff |
| 16:32.57 | themill | EvanCarroll: I suggest that you do *not* write now as all you will do is piss people off. Write tomorrow. |
| 16:33.17 | themill | EvanCarroll: but if you want to use the cpan package, why not just uninstall the debian package? |
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| 16:33.33 | mazoni | no one? |
| 16:34.41 | jelly | if he has a prettier fix than a kludge written in 2002, by all means let it be included |
| 16:34.46 | EvanCarroll | themill: a debian package and a cpan package will live nicely, the cpan one is always presumed newer and it sits ontop of the debian one in load precidence, the problem is when the cpan one is viewed as newer it is used, in this case that doesn't work because the debian one isn't really XML::SAX, it is XML::SAX with ad-hoc functions added in the namespace. |
| 16:35.21 | jelly | oh noes api breakage! |
| 16:35.30 | jaggz- | my iceweasel says 3.0.6 still... how did you get to .9? I'm in lenny .. |
| 16:35.42 | EvanCarroll | exacty, Debian was wrong for opening up XML::SAX and publishing under the same namespace. |
| 16:35.50 | EvanCarroll | I imagine it breaks the artistic license too. |
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| 16:36.35 | mesa_booger | jaggz-: it's in testing |
| 16:36.45 | nkuttler | EvanCarroll: it should be dual-licensed, so no problem there |
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| 16:36.56 | EvanCarroll | right, well. maybe no license problem |
| 16:36.58 | EvanCarroll | huge technical problem |
| 16:37.00 | themill | EvanCarroll: that doesn't address my question about why you don't uninstall the debian package. |
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| 16:37.02 | lolufail | hi |
| 16:37.07 | nkuttler | EvanCarroll: yeah, uninstall it.. |
| 16:37.11 | jelly | EvanCarroll: just remember to the polite and not start with a "crappy hack" and "ad-hoc shitmess that some twat copied over and hand hacked" |
| 16:37.13 | fxiny | jaggz-: today xulrunner-1.9 is enough |
| 16:37.23 | lolufail | please name a good text editor for xfce4 |
| 16:37.27 | fxiny | i mean today xulrunner fix |
| 16:37.36 | nkuttler | lolufail: vim |
| 16:37.36 | themill | EvanCarroll: sure, there might be nicer solutions to that, but that's all that's needed for you to be happy |
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| 16:37.48 | lolufail | please name a good GUI text editor for xfce4 |
| 16:37.54 | nvz | bloody fucking hell this is driving me nuts |
| 16:37.59 | rudi_s | gvim |
| 16:38.08 | jelly | themill: other packages may depend on it. IMHO replacing single modules with cpan ought to just wokr |
| 16:38.09 | rudi_s | or emacs |
| 16:38.18 | rudi_s | lolufail: ^ |
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| 16:38.27 | lolufail | :D |
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| 16:38.46 | themill | there's always equivs for that case |
| 16:38.48 | lolufail | please name an super-easy-to-use texteditor for xfce, similar to kedit oder notepad4win |
| 16:38.48 | xa_ | hi |
| 16:38.54 | lolufail | :D |
| 16:38.56 | themill | lolufail: kedit |
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| 16:39.06 | jelly | themill: yuck, equivs are _worse_ |
| 16:39.11 | mesa_booger | let's be honest. anything with xml anywhere in the name is a pos. so why get in a tizzy ? |
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| 16:39.13 | nkuttler | lolufail: apt-cache search xfce editor |
| 16:39.13 | lolufail | themill: nhah, that would drag in 9999 deps |
| 16:39.15 | jelly | hates equivs |
| 16:39.18 | xa_ | Tried running "fakeroot alien -i package" tells me nested commands dont run |
| 16:39.20 | xa_ | yet. |
| 16:39.27 | xa_ | What should I do |
| 16:39.29 | xa_ | ? |
| 16:39.38 | fxiny | lolufail: light and supereasy ? very light ? certainly the one i use : emacs :P |
| 16:39.41 | nkuttler | xa_: 1. don't use alien |
| 16:39.41 | jaggz- | I just don't want this thing so damned slow.. I need a new computer maybe |
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| 16:39.51 | nkuttler | xa_: what are you trying to install? |
| 16:40.08 | xa_ | nkuttler: some kde proggie.. only available in source and rpm |
| 16:40.12 | jaggz- | everything's getting so bloated because it's accounting for more and more.. unicode, dynamic layouts.. argh... I still hate webpages changing sizes under my mouse |
| 16:40.17 | xa_ | source install doesnt produce the expected resutls |
| 16:40.24 | xa_ | nkuttler: so no to alien? |
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| 16:40.41 | jaggz- | remember the days when we would include height/width in <img>'s just for that purpose? but now everything in a page can change |
| 16:40.48 | jelly | xa_: I thought alien called fakeroot by itself these days |
| 16:40.59 | rudi_s | jaggz-: Use a textbrowser without JavaScript to get rid of this ;-) |
| 16:41.03 | jaggz- | hahaha |
| 16:41.10 | xa_ | jelly: Who knows what goes on in the mind of alien |
| 16:41.10 | Bagualas | what may I use to make graphics of the memory usage ? Besides cacti |
| 16:41.14 | jaggz- | I am working on layout right now :) |
| 16:41.18 | xa_ | Come on, no alternativ e ? |
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| 16:41.20 | fxiny | true , modern browsers are like the plague |
| 16:41.35 | lolufail | how are those stupid .nfo coded? how can I display them correctly? |
| 16:41.36 | jaggz- | oh, whatever happened to gopher? :) |
| 16:41.40 | lolufail | is it just another font? |
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| 16:41.50 | jelly | lolufail: cp437 |
| 16:41.55 | nvz | jaggz-: got shot, and stuffed |
| 16:42.23 | fxiny | couple of cores just for flash , two magnetars for opening gmail :P |
| 16:42.28 | lolufail | jelly: damn, my new "mousepad" editor has no codepage choide :D |
| 16:42.37 | jelly | lolufail: on a utf-8 enabled terminal and font, a warez .nfo can be displayed with eg recode cp437..utf8 < Foo_1.3.nfo |
| 16:43.02 | jelly | lolufail: I'm assuming you're talking about _those_ .nfo files |
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| 16:44.37 | lolufail | jelly: yes :D |
| 16:44.45 | jaggz- | and googleearth gets big blocks like a checkerboard in its drawing.. anyone else experience that? |
| 16:44.46 | ed___ | Hello |
| 16:44.52 | fxiny | try mc |
| 16:45.04 | fxiny | no utf-8 here :( |
| 16:45.04 | lolufail | jaggz-: slow connection? |
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| 16:46.20 | ed___ | I added Section "Module" Load "glx" Load "dri" EndSection and Section "DRI" Mode "0666" EndSection to my friend's xorg.conf for his Intel driver. |
| 16:46.49 | ed___ | Is this sane? It was a fairly normal xorg.xonf from dpkg-reconfigure before. |
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| 16:47.33 | jaggz- | lolu, eh? nah.. dsl.. but that shouldn't leave me with a permanent checkerboard |
| 16:47.53 | jaggz- | that sounds like some sick loser college prank |
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| 16:47.54 | fxiny | oh btw , mozilla firefox and iceweasel don't play well togheter in lenny . when in etch running firefox file.html opened it in a (running) firefox tab , in lenny this won't work |
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| 16:48.30 | g-hennux | hi! |
| 16:48.49 | fxiny | but of course /path/firefox will |
| 16:48.51 | jelly | fxiny: I won't ask why would one want both. |
| 16:48.51 | g-hennux | i have a problem with a newly setup debian machine, namely the network card isn't recognized |
| 16:49.00 | hark | ed___: no need for that anymore |
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| 16:49.20 | fxiny | jelly: i don't want both , i just noticed it today |
| 16:49.21 | hark | ed___: they are loaded automatically |
| 16:49.22 | ed___ | hark: For what, sorry? |
| 16:49.23 | mamalujo_ | ed___ I dont have anything similar in my xorg.conf, and it works fine. its an nvidia so perhaps its different.. |
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| 16:49.27 | ed___ | hark: Oh |
| 16:49.33 | ed___ | Thanks |
| 16:49.35 | g-hennux | lspci says "Ethernet controller: Hynix Semiconductor Device 8139 ... I/O ports at d400 [disabled] [size=256]" |
| 16:49.42 | jelly | fxiny: get rid of the inferior iceweasel product! :-D |
| 16:50.01 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 16:50.04 | HardDisk_WP | does any other commandline (!) SIP client for linux exist, besides pjsua? |
| 16:50.07 | Zambezi | I'm having so much trouble installing Debian. Etch, Lenny, Squeeze won't go through. It fails when it's connection to the mirror. It's just freezing. Which Squeeze-fullinstall DVD do you recommend (if there is)? For 32 bit CPU. |
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| 16:50.10 | g-hennux | ...and "Memory at ed800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256]" |
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| 16:50.22 | g-hennux | does anyone have an idea how to get that card working? |
| 16:50.35 | fxiny | jelly: why ? do you want me to fill mozilla org $safe with my clicks ? :) |
| 16:50.49 | fxiny | i use iceweasel |
| 16:51.06 | mamalujo_ | fxiny, whats the point in having them both? I was under the impression that the only difference is trademarks, like name, icon |
| 16:51.33 | hark | probably wants the latest one |
| 16:51.35 | jelly | and the update process |
| 16:51.40 | mamalujo_ | ah |
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| 16:51.56 | fxiny | mamalujo_: i'm not saying i want both , i noticed that firefox file.html doesn't work like in etch |
| 16:52.03 | jelly | judd: info xulrunner-1.9 |
| 16:52.03 | judd | jelly: xulrunner-1.9 (devel): is optional; Version: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2; Size: 6427.1k; Installed: 17736k -- XUL + XPCOM application runner |
| 16:52.10 | jelly | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 16:52.10 | judd | jelly: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2 squeeze: 1.9.0.7-1 lenny-security: 1.9.0.9-0lenny2 sid: 1.9.0.11-1 |
| 16:52.12 | hark | fxiny: readlink /usr/bin/firefox |
| 16:52.27 | fxiny | hark: i know about symlinks |
| 16:53.07 | g-hennux | is my ethernet card problem a bios one or kernel one? |
| 16:53.13 | hark | fxiny: what do you want then? |
| 16:53.33 | fxiny | hark: nothing , i'm happy with iceweasel |
| 16:53.56 | fxiny | i think something changed from etch to lenny |
| 16:55.11 | HardDisk_WP | does any other commandline (!) SIP client for linux exist, besides pjsua? |
| 16:55.30 | hark | g-hennux: what does lspci -n |grep 0200 say? |
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| 17:05.50 | SirTopHat` | I booted into debian, first time I've done so since I updated my video drivers or something a few weeks ago, and when I logged in it justwent to a blank screen, so I went to ctrl-alt-F1 to a terminal window and tried to install irssi but the network manager wasn't connected so I couldn't. then I shut down and turnedb ack on and now when my laptop turns on, I will hear the fan but the HDD does not spin and nothing appears on the scr |
| 17:05.50 | SirTopHat` | een. |
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| 17:06.46 | EvanCarroll | lame |
| 17:06.49 | EvanCarroll | I can't subscribe to a bug |
| 17:06.58 | EvanCarroll | I'm getting a boring error |
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| 17:07.13 | SirTopHat` | this was after I booted into a Vixta DVD to try it, then saw I culdn't nstall it beause of something |
| 17:08.20 | EvanCarroll | http://gist.github.com/132018 |
| 17:08.25 | EvanCarroll | any ideas on why i'd be getting that |
| 17:08.56 | azeem | please don't crosspost |
| 17:09.23 | EvanCarroll | azeem: to who? |
| 17:09.47 | mesa_booger | sirasshat |
| 17:09.51 | azeem | EvanCarroll: to both channels |
| 17:10.02 | azeem | EvanCarroll: you can't subscribe to archived bugs |
| 17:10.11 | EvanCarroll | oh no joy. |
| 17:10.12 | EvanCarroll | =( |
| 17:10.27 | azeem | why would you want to subscribe? No changes can be made to the bug anyway |
| 17:10.47 | fxiny | and this is a typo --> Subject: subscribeb |
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| 17:10.55 | EvanCarroll | azeem: I want to make a change to the bug.. |
| 17:10.57 | jelly | azeem: it could be reopened |
| 17:10.59 | jelly | ? |
| 17:11.02 | EvanCarroll | It wouldn't let me post to it either |
| 17:11.07 | azeem | EvanCarroll: same reason |
| 17:11.10 | simonrvn | mesa_booger: you're one to make fun of other people's nicks |
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| 17:11.17 | azeem | EvanCarroll: what do you want to change? |
| 17:11.33 | EvanCarroll | I want to reopen it, see the backlog |
| 17:11.46 | EvanCarroll | or at least add my plan to fix it |
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| 17:12.09 | jelly | azeem: he has a better solution that doesn't break installed package when a corresponding module is installed from cpan |
| 17:12.10 | EvanCarroll | I'll post to the list too, I just figured it should be tracked in something other than a thread -- like say a bug tracker, because it is specific to this one item |
| 17:12.21 | iluminator101 | i get this error when i use gksu GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. |
| 17:12.34 | azeem | EvanCarroll: I read the first few lines and lost interest at "twat" |
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| 17:13.08 | iluminator101 | how do i fix this Gconf error? |
| 17:13.08 | EvanCarroll | http://gist.github.com/132022 |
| 17:13.12 | EvanCarroll | there is the email i was about to send out |
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| 17:14.26 | Bagualas | what may I use to make graphics of the memory usage ? Besides cacti |
| 17:14.28 | smacnay | Is there a way to change my username? I want to make recovering some db stuff a lot easier by keeping my username on the new machine the same as it was on the old one. |
| 17:14.39 | m45h | I want to installed this http://virt-manager.org/download.html but i dont know how to |
| 17:14.41 | azeem | EvanCarroll: well then, mail the list first |
| 17:14.42 | mesa_booger | simonrvn: i wasn't making fun of his nick. he is a complete arse of the first water, and i spent *ages* with him in ##linux trying to get him sorted out. vagueness and stupidity are things i have a low tolerance to/for |
| 17:14.46 | m45h | can anyone please guide me |
| 17:14.49 | m45h | on DEbian Etch |
| 17:15.11 | simonrvn | mesa_booger: ah ok. i feel the same way about that. |
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| 17:15.42 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.44 | jelly | EvanCarroll: I'd rephrase like s/totally breaking dpkg./breaking the additional debian functionality completely (including dpkg when a newer package is installed)/ |
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| 17:16.35 | EvanCarroll | ok, I've clairified |
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| 17:17.35 | iluminator101 | Here is my full error. http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d3b222ae8 |
| 17:17.53 | jelly | EvanCarroll: and perhaps avoid stepping on egos with s/done **totally** wrong./done in a seriously suboptimal way./ :-> |
| 17:17.58 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: are you using ext2 filesystem anywhere by any chance ? cos this spurious "stale nfs lock" thing has happened several times in the last couple of days |
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| 17:18.30 | iluminator101 | mesa_booger: i am on reiserfs |
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| 17:18.52 | jelly | even decent ops here tend to stop reading at "twat", even if there's good signal following. |
| 17:18.54 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: have you had a system crash then ? |
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| 17:19.08 | iluminator101 | no |
| 17:20.15 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: this is a local i.e not vpn or ssh thing ? |
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| 17:21.37 | iluminator101 | mesa_booger: error comes in when i do gksu or when i use root in general....also sometime when i am on aol IM when i message a user thats online it says not logged in, when i know they are logged in |
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| 17:23.04 | bookmark | hi |
| 17:23.05 | nixpac3 | hi all |
| 17:23.09 | fxiny | jelly: can't be : signals are not supposed to "follow" ;) |
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| 17:23.20 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: sounds nasty. i'm sorry i can't help further |
| 17:23.24 | bookmark | where is X actually configured now a days? someone told me that xorg.conf actually does nothing. |
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| 17:23.38 | nkuttler | bookmark: not true |
| 17:23.46 | iluminator101 | mesa_booger is there a bug report for this |
| 17:23.54 | nixpac3 | I have a P3, 256RAM, 40GBHDD, is Debian a good choice for me? |
| 17:24.09 | twobitsprite | does anyone know how to mount a partition in a file? I.e., I have a file with a partition table, and then a filesystem on one of the partitions... |
| 17:24.11 | mesa_booger | iluminator101: not sure. you can always look and see :) |
| 17:24.17 | GergOGerdy | hi, i'm setting up a home server and was wondering if it is best to have one large partition or one partition for the OS and one for files or something of the sort |
| 17:24.21 | nkuttler | nixpac3: sounds fine. just use a lightweight wm |
| 17:24.33 | nixpac3 | like? |
| 17:24.41 | bookmark | evilwm is good :) |
| 17:24.41 | nixpac3 | xfce? |
| 17:24.43 | nkuttler | nixpac3: openbox? fluxbox? |
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| 17:24.46 | iluminator101 | Is kbuild for kernel 2.6.30 out yet |
| 17:24.55 | nkuttler | xfce is a little too bloated for you i guess |
| 17:25.06 | fxiny | xmonad ? |
| 17:25.06 | iluminator101 | lxde |
| 17:25.08 | mesa_booger | GergOGerdy: my preference is for several partitions. that way if your OSes break, all your datas are still ok |
| 17:25.37 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: i like one big partition. don't see the point of partitioning one drive. |
| 17:25.45 | nixpac3 | so, my fav, Gnome is out of the question? |
| 17:25.48 | GergOGerdy | mesa_booge: what should the partition each have on them and what type of format should they be? |
| 17:25.52 | nkuttler | nixpac3: hell yeah |
| 17:26.19 | fxiny | i am lazy so two partitions : / and home . easier backup/recover |
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| 17:26.38 | mesa_booger | GergOGerdy: see nkuttler for a totally different POV btw :) |
| 17:26.38 | nixpac3 | even if i had 512RAM? |
| 17:26.45 | nkuttler | recover from what? |
| 17:26.52 | nkuttler | nixpac3: then it would be okish i guess |
| 17:27.05 | fxiny | nkuttler: wild experiments |
| 17:27.11 | GergOGerdy | nkuttler: sorry missed your comment. why would you choose one partition? |
| 17:27.18 | fxiny | i can replace my system in 3 minutes |
| 17:27.24 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: why would i choose more than one? |
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| 17:27.31 | GergOGerdy | fxiny: what time of format would you use for the partitions? |
| 17:27.48 | bookmark | fxiny me too :) |
| 17:27.53 | bookmark | dd kapow |
| 17:28.00 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:28.08 | bookmark | bbiab |
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| 17:28.18 | nkuttler | doesn't see the point of keeping backups on the same HD |
| 17:28.26 | GergOGerdy | nkuttler: what do you mean? |
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| 17:29.28 | deco | is it ok to install gstreamer bad and ugly at the same time ? |
| 17:29.28 | GergOGerdy | nku55l34: but not as a back up partition, but the main file partition and an os partition so if the OS goes down the information doesnt |
| 17:29.29 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: dunno what are you doing , my preferred box is LUKS full encrypted , so i have : / , boot on ext2 , swap and home |
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| 17:29.58 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: define 'os goes down' and what that has to do with 'information' |
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| 17:30.22 | nkuttler | debian install fine on an existing / |
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| 17:30.33 | craigevil | deco: yes |
| 17:30.35 | mesa_booger | GergOGerdy: i have sda1=XP sda2=debian sda3=win_swap sda4=[sda5=swap sda6=/usr/local sda7=/home sda8=win_temp sda9=win_backup sda10=win_docs sda11=win_mp3 sda12=win_cubase sda13=win_video sda14=/mnt/spare]. all linux parts ext3, all windows parts ntfs. well you did ask ... |
| 17:31.04 | deco | craigevil: thanks |
| 17:31.09 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: there you go. do whatever you like more. as long as it makes sense to you :) |
| 17:31.34 | GergOGerdy | nkuttler: sorry. well back to my windows experience, it crashed like crazy and usually ended up losing my data. pictures, music, documents, etc. i had one partition for the windows os and one for my documents so when windows crashed and needed a reinstall, the files werent formatted |
| 17:31.39 | qbwdp | there are 988 people here and 924 on #linux |
| 17:31.51 | nkuttler | GergOGerdy: well, this isn't #windows |
| 17:32.01 | jleedev | clearly, those 64 people use Debian HURD |
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| 17:32.25 | qbwdp | what is hurd jleedev? |
| 17:32.33 | nkuttler | !tell qbwdp about hurd |
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| 17:32.55 | GergOGerdy | nkuttler: ik, just wondering if it would be anything like that or if one partition would be fine. but i guess 14 works fine depending on wht youre doing too |
| 17:33.09 | jleedev | (is that a dpkg command) qbwdp: it's a GNU kernel, debian supports it instead of linux |
| 17:33.33 | jleedev | dpkg: hurd |
| 17:33.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
| 17:33.48 | qbwdp | ah nice thank you jleedev and nkuttler |
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| 17:34.53 | GergOGerdy | also, ive read a bit about lvm, but dont quite understand what it is and if it would be good to have. i understand its a bit like RAID? |
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| 17:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | separate /home is useful |
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| 17:36.45 | fxiny | and a small "maintenance" partition is even better |
| 17:37.06 | fxiny | so you can stick your system backups in your home |
| 17:37.08 | GergOGerdy | fxiny: what do you mean by maintenance partition? |
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| 17:37.34 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: a small one . base install ssh and tools like that |
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| 17:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything else can go one one partition... it's probably more trouble than it's worth |
| 17:37.45 | Progranaut | hello, I defined a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces which works great after I restart networking, however, dhclient is still running and over writing the static ip address |
| 17:38.01 | Progranaut | aside from killing the dhclient proc, (I'm looking for a permanent solution), how would I got about disabling dhclient from running? |
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| 17:38.21 | simonrvn | um, don't use dhcp? |
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| 17:38.25 | GergOGerdy | CutMeOwnTH: so you would suggest 2 partitions, the second for /home? |
| 17:38.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | I have a problem GDM will only load after the password command to a blue screen with a white cursor |
| 17:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | lvm would allow you to have as many partitions as you want without the backdraw of one filling up prematurely... |
| 17:38.39 | Katy | I'm fed up! I tried 3 times to prepare an usb stick for installation as it is describe in the manual. 2 sticks, both ways, it won't boot. I only see a blinking cursor. |
| 17:38.46 | Katy | Any hints? |
| 17:38.49 | nkuttler | THE_GFR|WORK: chose a "session" in the menu, like gnome |
| 17:38.56 | Progranaut | simonrvn: aside from killing the process or uninstall dhclient, how do you disable dbcp? |
| 17:38.56 | GergOGerdy | CutMeOwnTH: would you suggest using lvm? |
| 17:38.57 | Progranaut | *dhcp |
| 17:39.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | nkuttler: there is NO menu |
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| 17:39.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | nkuttler: is there a keyboard command to do it? |
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| 17:39.35 | nkuttler | THE_GFR|WORK: do what? |
| 17:39.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | nkuttler: switch sessions |
| 17:39.45 | simonrvn | Progranaut: going at it the wrong direction, i think. i meant in /e/n/interfaces |
| 17:39.48 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: i did multipartiutions schemes in the past , theere are docs on the net about it , stats and all that stuff . look into LVM , and use ext3 for windoze data instead of scattered ntfs partitions |
| 17:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if something goes wrong it will probably be harder to fix things up |
| 17:39.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | nkuttler: because there is no menu |
| 17:40.00 | nkuttler | THE_GFR|WORK: hm, i think they are symlinks somewhere, but i use xdm myself |
| 17:40.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | nkuttler: this is GDM |
| 17:40.27 | nkuttler | THE_GFR|WORK: you already said that |
| 17:40.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | HELP |
| 17:40.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | oops caps |
| 17:40.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | sorry |
| 17:40.41 | jleedev | THE_GFR|WORK: try deleting .dmrc and using lowercase |
| 17:40.43 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: LVM can take care of all you need in the future |
| 17:40.43 | jleedev | heh |
| 17:40.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: how? |
| 17:41.01 | simonrvn | THE_GFR|WORK: take a deep breath, and relax |
| 17:41.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: where is that located? |
| 17:41.06 | jleedev | ~/.dmrc tells GDM which session to use |
| 17:41.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: ok hold on |
| 17:41.25 | jleedev | it may be set to something dumb --- once it was only loading metacity |
| 17:41.45 | Progranaut | simonrvn: yeah I switched the iface in network/interfaces from dhcp to static, but the dhclient service is still running, I looked in the rc* dirs to see if it was started in there, but I can't figure out to completely stop dhclient from starting on the server aside from uninstalling it |
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| 17:42.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | GergOGerdy, but if something goes wrong it will probably be harder to fix things up - I suggest you do without lvm if you have to ask about this |
| 17:42.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: I can't find that file |
| 17:42.45 | GergOGerdy | fxiny: haha then i think i will use it. should come in handy when i add more hard drive then right? and i think i will have a seperate ext3 partition for my /home partition and maybe a maintenance partition |
| 17:43.09 | jleedev | THE_GFR|WORK: before you log in to GDM, choose a different session from its menu, maybe failsafe gnome. |
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| 17:43.19 | GergOGerdy | CutMeOwnTh: what do you mean? if what goes worng what will be harder? |
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| 17:43.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: it has no menus |
| 17:43.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: it has no menu |
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| 17:43.41 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: a manintenance is just for booting into it to replace your backups instead of using a live cd |
| 17:43.43 | mesa_booger | press f10 |
| 17:43.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | what? |
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| 17:44.08 | GergOGerdy | fxiny: o ok, i understand thank you |
| 17:45.09 | mesa_booger | GergOGerdy: as you can see, plenty of different answers, all of which have merits and demerits. now you have to choose what is good for you |
| 17:45.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | jleedev: I see the menu now I was missing it before |
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| 17:45.40 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: look into LUKS , on my encrypted debian box , performances are very very good |
| 17:45.55 | GergOGerdy | mesa_booge: so it seems. we'll you've all been very helpful. ill be googling more of this and see what would be more suited towards me |
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| 17:46.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | help |
| 17:46.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can't get it to login correctly |
| 17:47.00 | GergOGerdy | fxiny: LUKS eh? i'll look into it thank you |
| 17:47.18 | fxiny | GergOGerdy: np , enjoy |
| 17:48.24 | GergOGerdy | i have to go now but thanks for all the help everyone, have a good one |
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| 17:49.39 | wald0 | if i copy the $HOME/.mozilla directory of a user to the mine, i can have access to all his passwords (if he has used the "remember" feature of iceweasel) ? |
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| 17:50.01 | wald0 | i mean, i can enter in everywhere by using his passwords ? |
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| 17:52.46 | jleedev | if there's no master password |
| 17:53.01 | mesa_booger | wald0: that's not the kind of question that is liable to get an answer here |
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| 17:53.30 | fxiny | too easy :P |
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| 17:54.07 | wald0 | mesa_booger: why not ? im looking about crypt my home partition but im not fully satisfied with this method, so i think that the only thing that i need to secure is my passwords of iceweasel basically |
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| 17:54.24 | m45h | what do i do after i finished editing a conf file in putty how do i save it |
| 17:54.36 | wald0 | so if anybody can take my passwords by just copying my home config dir, this is SCARY ! |
| 17:54.38 | ranix | wald0: edit->preferences->security->don't remember passwords for sites |
| 17:54.48 | ranix | wald0: easy as pie |
| 17:55.12 | craigevil | wald0: use a masterpassword and delete your cookies when you close iw |
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| 17:55.31 | wald0 | ranix: of course that's a way but... sounds a bit stupid like a feature of firefox then |
| 17:55.33 | Optic | hi, is there a standard way to have the dhclient on boot run in the background instead of blocking the startup? |
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| 17:56.11 | ranix | wald0: having a web browser remember your passwords IS stupid. It's unforgivably, brain-addlingly retarded. |
| 17:56.20 | wald0 | craigevil: mmmh, what is that masterpasword for ? it does "crypt" the saved passwords or something like that ? |
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| 17:57.21 | mesa_booger | ranix: i'd have said "sub-otimally intelligent" but yeah :) |
| 17:57.31 | fxiny | wald0: gpg the f* dot dir |
| 17:57.47 | craigevil | you have to enter the masterpassword before iw will load the passwords, the passwords are already encrypted |
| 17:57.54 | wald0 | fxiny: and ungpg it all the times that i start the browser ? sounds PITA |
| 17:58.38 | ranix | wald0: you do realize that by storing these passwords you're opening a hole in the wall and by trying to somehow cover this security hole you're trying to patch it with two-by-fours |
| 17:58.42 | jleedev | points to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309807 |
| 17:58.44 | ranix | wald0: just type your passwords |
| 17:59.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | I have a problem GDM will only load after the password command to a blue screen with a white cursor |
| 17:59.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can't get in at all |
| 17:59.26 | wald0 | ranix: i use generated passwords (like 29d8jsnwaoiy298) so its not very possible to remember them |
| 17:59.43 | ranix | wald0: I use generated passwords and I remember them. |
| 17:59.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | I do not know what to do or where to start |
| 18:00.00 | ranix | wald0: you have a lot of storage capacity in your head, storing a couple short strings is trivial |
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| 18:00.04 | ranix | wald0: suck it up |
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| 18:00.31 | wald0 | and very error-prone :þ |
| 18:00.41 | wald0 | apart that i dont have good memory for random-strings |
| 18:00.42 | fxiny | wald0: what sites pass are you talking about ? gmail ? |
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| 18:00.49 | ranix | maybe you should run a fdisk |
| 18:00.55 | wald0 | fxiny: anything, email, bank, paypal, etc |
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| 18:01.10 | fxiny | wald0: bank are unbreakeable |
| 18:01.15 | misha | hi all, need help with sharing internet with wm61 device - rndis |
| 18:01.17 | jleedev | wald0: just encrypt your home and be done with it |
| 18:01.21 | fxiny | *banks |
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| 18:01.57 | ranix | fxiny: are you high on cough medicine? |
| 18:02.03 | Optic | moops |
| 18:02.12 | craigevil | or keep your iw profile on a usb drive |
| 18:02.17 | fxiny | wald0: because you need some extra pin generated on the fly , no ? change your bank then |
| 18:02.30 | fxiny | ranix: icecream :) |
| 18:02.43 | misha | help with ifcfg-rndis0 |
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| 18:02.49 | helo | after changing the suspend/resume device in /etc/uswsusp.conf, i need to run update-initramfs -u? |
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| 18:02.57 | jpinx | Optic: I'm no expert, but are oyu trying to speed up booting? |
| 18:03.22 | Optic | jpinx: i'm trying to speed up booting with there is no connection to eth0 |
| 18:03.28 | Optic | right now it takes dhclient about 2 minutes to time out |
| 18:03.43 | craigevil | Optic: chane it from auto to allow-hotplug |
| 18:03.48 | craigevil | s/chane/change |
| 18:03.52 | jpinx | Optic: tha's bad - not sure how to fix it but there's somethignwrong there |
| 18:03.58 | wald0 | fxiny: ok no bank, but paypal for example is important to have it secured |
| 18:04.00 | misha | i think my issue is dhclient "no DHCPOFFERS" |
| 18:04.06 | Optic | craigevil: thanks! |
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| 18:04.24 | Optic | craig: then udev will kick it off instead of the startup script? |
| 18:04.24 | fxiny | wald0: and gpg is much better then any strange wanna-be-password-encrypting-adds-on |
| 18:04.32 | craigevil | Optic: it will still connect if there is a connection but wont take forever if there isn't |
| 18:04.34 | helo | (the answer is, 'yes') |
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| 18:05.48 | jleedev | helo: another way is `dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools' |
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| 18:08.37 | fxiny | ranix: a good bank wants : username + pass , a second pass + a "token" pin |
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| 18:09.14 | TbbW | Anyone know how to install grub onto a md0 that is / from the lenny installer ( text mode ) ? |
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| 18:09.26 | fxiny | ranix: so even a man in the middle will fail |
| 18:09.47 | fxiny | unless the client is brain dead |
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| 18:11.42 | ranix | fxiny: i.e. "saves form data in his web browser?" |
| 18:12.11 | misha | <- dhcp noob - pls help with dhclient |
| 18:12.42 | fxiny | ranix: gives the magic "token" to *us* ? ;) |
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| 18:13.05 | TbbW | btw the md0 is a raid10 thru mdadm, sda sdb sdc sdd |
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| 18:14.52 | Zesturian | Anyone know of an cli application that allows you to monitor the files using the most io? |
| 18:15.08 | Zesturian | I have iostat and iotop, but I need to find the file |
| 18:15.14 | fxiny | iotop |
| 18:15.19 | fxiny | oops |
| 18:15.28 | awoodland | is there a dtrace port for linux? |
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| 18:23.22 | lastpak | i still don't get it..if i need the rights to use fuse, do i put user in the fuse group?ore do i add fuse to the user? |
| 18:24.17 | jleedev | lastpak: the syntax is adduser joe fuse |
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| 18:24.25 | jleedev | it puts them in the group |
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| 18:25.53 | tdn | How do I make a FAT32 partition/filesystem? |
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| 18:26.09 | tdn | Is it type 0B in cfdisk and then how do I make the file system? |
| 18:26.35 | awoodland | mkfs.vfat /dev/hdXN |
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| 18:27.03 | BubbaT | What channel can i go to to debug an xorg.conf |
| 18:27.05 | BubbaT | ? |
| 18:27.22 | lastpak | thanks jleedev.now i can trie to get my 7gig gmail space where i like it. |
| 18:27.27 | tdn | awoodland, ok. Thanks. |
| 18:27.44 | awoodland | (you need dosfstools installed to get mkfs.vfat) |
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| 18:33.33 | Optic | craig: thanks, that worked fine! |
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| 18:41.27 | chaps0063 | Hello, how do I have an application run at startup as a user (not as root)? |
| 18:42.05 | jleedev | echo '@reboot myprog' |crontab |
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| 18:45.11 | chaps0063 | jleedev: will that work if i dont login as the user |
| 18:45.20 | chaps0063 | it's a server... |
| 18:45.23 | Ambush | what'd you call my momma? |
| 18:45.38 | jleedev | chaps0063: as far as i know, any user can use that to make a crontab |
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| 18:46.12 | shappie | Hi all, i have a weird problem with installing debian on my desktop pc. The installer runs ok till i have to choose the partitioning. I choose for manual and then choose a ext3 with mountpoint /. Then i choose the swap partition, but when i choose the swap partition and i press ok i go back to the partioning overview but i cant go further... |
| 18:46.29 | jleedev | chaps0063: yes; rtfm. /etc/cron.{allow,deny} can be used, but otherwise it works |
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| 18:46.56 | shappie | If i choose to save partition settings it just doesnt do anything... |
| 18:46.58 | chaps0063 | jleedev: lol. thanks. |
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| 18:47.17 | shappie | And if i dont define swap then the installer goes on but gives an error while installing the kernel... |
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| 18:47.34 | shappie | btw i use the basic textbased installer |
| 18:48.11 | patrikf | shappie: tell us the filename of the iso you downloaded |
| 18:48.34 | shappie | Ooh sorry i forgot to tell: debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:48.48 | patrikf | shappie: well, try the stable installer then. |
| 18:49.08 | patrikf | (and if you know how to, investigate the issue and report a bug) |
| 18:49.40 | shappie | I tried it several times but it keeps occuring... |
| 18:49.49 | shappie | Can i upgrade the stable lenny to testing release? |
| 18:49.59 | shappie | i like ext4 partitions |
| 18:50.53 | patrikf | shappie: yes, but be aware that you may run into issues with testing. for many people, stable is just fine |
| 18:51.06 | shappie | ok |
| 18:51.11 | patrikf | shappie: you can still get e.g. a prepackaged 2.6.29 kernel from backports.org |
| 18:51.28 | shappie | But is there a option to use ext4 (like in ubuntu 9.04) on debian? |
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| 18:51.44 | shappie | It looks like there are only the ext4dev packages... |
| 18:52.08 | patrikf | shappie: I don't know if the installer will set it up automatically, but of course you can create ext4 partitions |
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| 18:52.25 | patrikf | shappie: if you'd rather not fiddle around with file systems yourself, ubuntu is the way to go. |
| 18:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions e2fsprogs |
| 18:52.28 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: e2fsprogs -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 lenny: 1.41.3-1 squeeze: 1.41.3-1 sid: 1.41.6-1 |
| 18:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | shappie, even if the installer doesn't offer you to make that... I think it might still install on an existing ext4 partition (but I haven't used the installer in ages) |
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| 18:53.42 | shappie | Ok, so i can partition the disk in ext4 with ubuntu live cd for exampe and then install on it? |
| 18:54.07 | patrikf | shappie: I meant that you should install ubuntu then. |
| 18:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | shappie, I'd try that... there's not a bad chance that it'd work |
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| 18:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | shappie, you can also install on ext3 then migrate |
| 18:54.41 | shappie | patrikf: It was meant for CutMeOwnThroat |
| 18:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ext3->ext4 |
| 18:54.44 | dpkg | To enable <ext4> features on an existing unmounted <ext3> file system (kernel 2.6.28 or later required): 'tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition containing the ext3 file system), then 'e2fsck -fD /dev/hda1' to fix modified on-disk structures. Don't forget to modify /etc/fstab and specify ext4 for the file system. Some ext4 features (e.g. flex_bg) can only be enabled during format via mke2fs. |
| 18:55.18 | shappie | ok |
| 18:55.22 | shappie | Do i need testing version to do this? |
| 18:55.35 | jleedev | chaps0063: by the way, a fun kind of startup script is 'screen -d -m myprog', in case you want to view or interact with it |
| 18:56.11 | chaps0063 | jleedev: thanks. no gui on this box tho. |
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| 18:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need a 2.6.28 kernel and 'e2fsprogs' >= 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1 - lenny has 1.41.3-1 of e2fsprogs ... not sure what the default kernel for lenny is, I think it's 2.6.26 |
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| 18:57.27 | shappie | Ok |
| 18:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | shappie, ok - if the installer uses a 2.6.26 kernel you have to install on ext3 then install a kernel >= 2.6.28 and migrate if you want ext4 |
| 18:57.40 | bbelt16ag | grrr stupid lcd screen/stupid computer, |
| 18:58.00 | bbelt16ag | won't freaking work .. |
| 18:58.08 | shappie | Ok i get it. Thank you! I got the stable iso downloaded now, i will burn it now and then try that ;) |
| 18:59.47 | jelly-home | installed on ext4 with a custom image + newer grub-pc + newer something else he forgot about |
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| 19:00.49 | shappie | The custom image you used is available for download somewhere? |
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| 19:01.23 | jelly-home | shappie: not a public one, sorry. But I bet kmuto has one with a newer kernel |
| 19:01.31 | jelly-home | !kmuto |
| 19:01.31 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch? |
| 19:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh (or etch) |
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| 19:03.46 | shappie | Thank you jelly-home! |
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| 19:04.52 | shappie | These custom images also got an installer like the official ones i suggest? |
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| 19:09.51 | coldboot | What do you do if your /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin is corrupted? |
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| 19:12.03 | jelly-home | shappie: it's the same installer, just the kernel is updated (and some small stuff around the kernel) |
| 19:12.31 | jelly-home | coldboot: remove it, do an update? |
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| 19:13.06 | jelly-home | coldboot: debian policy states anything in /var/cache may be removed without it affecting the system |
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| 19:14.18 | daishadar | if i mount a samba drive in /etc/fstab, what happens when i lose net? will the share unmount? will it remount when i get net again? |
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| 19:15.13 | coldboot | jelly-home: Everything in /var/cache or /var/cache/apt? |
| 19:15.13 | awoodland | i've found cifs recovers sensibly when hosts die |
| 19:15.27 | awoodland | smbfs was prone to problems |
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| 19:15.38 | jelly-home | coldboot: you heard me, |
| 19:15.54 | coldboot | jelly-home: Okay, cool. Just making sure. |
| 19:15.56 | jelly-home | (well you didn't) |
| 19:16.02 | jelly-home | (probably) |
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| 19:17.21 | shappie | I burned the custom iso and gonna try if it works. bb all |
| 19:18.55 | lastpak | it seems installing fuse didn't create the user fuse... howto do this?...adduser fuse...? |
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| 19:19.10 | ice900111 | can someone help me |
| 19:19.18 | simonrvn | fusedev ... |
| 19:19.27 | simonrvn | lastpak: getent passwd | grep fuse |
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| 19:20.33 | ice900111 | can some one go to tribel wars and destory Guinevere Starr file |
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| 19:20.51 | amphi | heh |
| 19:21.02 | coldboot | What was he on about? |
| 19:21.31 | amphi | dunno, I couldn't hear |
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| 19:21.48 | awoodland | there's sound on IRC now? ;) |
| 19:22.21 | amphi | pipe it through festival ;) |
| 19:22.29 | awoodland | lol |
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| 19:24.49 | ivarsv | Description, pms porn sites, pls ban |
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| 19:25.39 | ivarsv | !ban Description |
| 19:25.40 | ivarsv | :) |
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| 19:25.48 | simonrvn | !ops Description spam |
| 19:25.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Description spam |
| 19:25.59 | abrotman | not for me |
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| 19:26.24 | abrotman | ah .. the bot got it |
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| 19:26.30 | stew | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 19:26.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:26.41 | simonrvn | np |
| 19:26.41 | RichiH | pft :p |
| 19:26.52 | abrotman | !beer RichiH |
| 19:26.52 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for RichiH |
| 19:26.58 | simonrvn | thank ivarsv fo r catching it |
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| 19:27.16 | ivarsv | no prob |
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| 19:28.44 | lastpak | i part as well, gonna drink beer and will trie to forget a wasn't capable to mount gmailfs as a user....sad but true. |
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| 19:29.32 | lastpak | is away: kinda' buzy |
| 19:29.41 | simonrvn | gmailfs seems borked anyway |
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| 19:29.57 | cousin_luigi | hello |
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| 19:31.51 | cousin_luigi | when I connect to the irssi irc client running on my lenny server it's impossible to resize the window graciously: any idea what to look at? |
| 19:32.10 | abrotman | can you do it viciously ? |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | !tell lastpak about away |
| 19:32.46 | cousin_luigi | yes, doing it by hand is a very dirty job |
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| 19:33.55 | jleedev | the terminal window or one of irssi's internal windows? |
| 19:34.07 | neoice | has anyone had problems with the apache2 update on etch?? |
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| 19:34.33 | awoodland | what kind of problems? |
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| 19:35.00 | Cybo_ | I can't remember the command to reconfigure your sources list (go from cdrom to net, for exmpl.) |
| 19:35.39 | Cybo_ | fining lots of examples of how to edit my sources.lst, but I remember a command that changed your sources.lst |
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| 19:36.08 | bobtom | DCC SEND 84756271846573 |
| 19:36.08 | neoice | awoodland: invoke-rc.d apache2 stop/start both just hang now. |
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| 19:37.08 | adb | Cybo_: apt-get update ? |
| 19:37.20 | Cybo_ | that refreshes the packages |
| 19:37.38 | Cybo_ | I had network issues, so I installed from a cdrom and did not use a mirror. |
| 19:38.02 | adb | Cybo_: apt-cdrom add ? |
| 19:38.17 | Cybo_ | network is fixed, now I am looking for the debian command to use a network mirror. |
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| 19:38.41 | adb | edit it |
| 19:39.39 | simonrvn | comment the cd line(s) out ... |
| 19:39.53 | Cybo_ | and I need to add the sources lines |
| 19:40.02 | adb | !tell Cybo_ about sources |
| 19:40.30 | Cybo_ | apt-setup |
| 19:40.36 | Cybo_ | that is the ticket |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | long gone |
| 19:40.53 | Cybo_ | was the ticket |
| 19:41.05 | Cybo_ | at least that WAS the package I remembered. |
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| 19:42.02 | abrotman | it's not there anymore .. |
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| 19:42.10 | Cybo_ | I noticed. |
| 19:42.15 | neoice | is there a way to just make aptitude ignore dependancies temporarily? |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | why would you want to? |
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| 19:42.44 | Cybo_ | neoice you can make dpkg do that, but it is ugly |
| 19:42.45 | simonrvn | neoice: and break things further? |
| 19:42.57 | Cybo_ | dpkg --force-help IIRC |
| 19:42.58 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Cybo_ |
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| 19:43.37 | barmagnet | hi. aren't the non-free packages included in the Debian installation DVDs? (the 5 DVDs)? |
| 19:43.39 | neoice | simonrvn: not really. I'm sick of it complaining about php5 and mediawiki when apache wont even start. |
| 19:43.53 | abrotman | barmagnet: no |
| 19:44.03 | simonrvn | and break things further? |
| 19:44.34 | barmagnet | abrotman: I have 5 Debian DVDs with me. can I mix debian dvds and the FTP repo in sources.list? |
| 19:44.38 | neoice | simonrvn: php5 and mediawiki are technically already broken if they dont have a webserver. |
| 19:44.43 | Dunge | I'm trying to build latest versions of cairo/gtk+ with directfb support (can't use debian apt-get for different reasons)... so I've added a prefix path, downloaded and built gettext,glib,glibmm,atk,cairo,cairomm with no problems. Building cairo told my the FreeType backend is enabled. When I configure Pango it say "checking which cairo font backends could be used none".. why? I have a cairo-ft.pc file in my prefix/lib/pkgconfig..... |
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| 19:45.34 | simonrvn | um, not they aren't |
| 19:45.37 | simonrvn | no* |
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| 19:46.01 | ovnicraft | hi folks, i added a command in /etc/rc.local, i want to exec when boot, but it doesnt executing, i need added something else? |
| 19:46.20 | ovnicraft | how i can know if /etc/rc.local is called when boot? |
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| 19:46.43 | awoodland | you can always echo messages from it? |
| 19:47.00 | neoice | not in the sense of dependancies, no. but in functionality, yes. |
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| 19:47.23 | awoodland | neoice: functionally you could export it over NFS to another webserver though? |
| 19:47.26 | simonrvn | i disagree, ever heard of load balancing? |
| 19:47.29 | jleedev | ovnicraft: ls /etc/rc?.d/*rc.local should indicate that it starts |
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| 19:48.06 | neoice | yes, and I'm not using it. I have one webserver and its pretty b0rked right now. |
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| 19:48.56 | simonrvn | so fix it, instead of complaining, or trying to break it further. |
| 19:49.09 | neoice | downgrading apache2 didnt work. |
| 19:49.34 | neoice | and interesting, another httpd hung while starting. |
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| 19:49.45 | neoice | I think its time for me to put my shoes on and visit the datacenter :/ |
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| 19:51.49 | ovnicraft | jleedev, i wrote 2 daemons in rc2.d/S98myapp1 and rc.2/S98myapp2 but when booting just run my app1 |
| 19:52.09 | ovnicraft | i dont know why dont runs myapp2 |
| 19:52.36 | jleedev | !init.d |
| 19:52.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>. |
| 19:53.28 | DetroitLibertyPe | does anyone know of a pre-compiled version of debian for the XO One Laptop Per Child machine? |
| 19:53.40 | cemunal | hi all |
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| 19:58.37 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
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| 19:59.06 | ovnicraft | jleedev, i rm from init.d but dont works |
| 19:59.10 | bbelt16ag | driving me nut I want to install debian once I get the windows partion smaller and I get some free space. |
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| 20:03.09 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: did you defrag it? |
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| 20:08.43 | TbbW | Anyone know how to install grub when using a mdadm raid10 as root in the lenny installer ( textmode ) ? |
| 20:09.13 | TbbW | keep getting "fatal error" when trying to install grub on md0,sda,sdb,sdc,sdd |
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| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | TbbW: separate raid1 /boot |
| 20:09.43 | jelly-home | TbbW: (or try grub2) |
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| 20:11.00 | TbbW | jelly-home: hmmm gonna check apt for that one |
| 20:11.11 | TbbW | if not then i'll try the raid1 methode |
| 20:11.19 | jelly-home | the package is called grub-pc |
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| 20:11.43 | jelly-home | or perhaps grub-efi for Macs |
| 20:12.32 | TbbW | grub-pc it is then :P |
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| 20:13.16 | blanc | hello all |
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| 20:14.29 | TbbW | ugh... for some reson grub can see thru the chroot |
| 20:14.55 | blanc | can i ask for a testimonial? Is anyone here running latest debian on a macbook3,1? |
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| 20:17.16 | TbbW | wow that's alot of new files in the /boot/grub folder |
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| 20:23.13 | bbelt16ag | I guess I could. |
| 20:24.04 | bbelt16ag | simonrvn: am I suppose to? |
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| 20:25.04 | TbbW | jelly-home: argh! :/ |
| 20:25.23 | jelly-home | TbbW: yeah, grub2 is lots of "fun" |
| 20:26.16 | TbbW | what hapend to the "KISS" consept :/ |
| 20:26.27 | jelly-home | but it does have lots of features, rootfs on lvm and other weird stuff |
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| 20:26.36 | TbbW | brb for a smoke b4 he googles grub2 |
| 20:26.50 | TbbW | this read is gonna take a while lol |
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| 20:27.05 | MrWax | when installing debian and setting up partitions, what is the most recommened option for a webserver that also has some apps that need to stay encrypted? |
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| 20:27.22 | jelly-home | TbbW: you want kiss, make a separate /boot using raid1 and use lilo (supports raid1) |
| 20:27.27 | MrWax | "all files in one partition" ? |
| 20:27.38 | MrWax | or what would you guys do |
| 20:28.48 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: yes, of course, if you want to resize it... |
| 20:28.53 | jelly-home | what does "apps that need to stay encrypted" mean, MrWax? |
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| 20:29.53 | MrWax | jelly-home: i mean, certain files that some apps use need to be encrypted, so i would need to have some partition maybe that's fully encrypted? |
| 20:29.56 | hesco | . |
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| 20:30.30 | nooper | chews on his comb |
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| 20:31.39 | MrWax | jelly-home: can i change this later? |
| 20:31.46 | MrWax | if i install all in one partition now? |
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| 20:32.28 | jelly-home | MrWax: sorry, I'm clueless about filesystem or file encryption |
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| 20:33.42 | jelly-home | you can use a simple file as a block device to build a filesystem on it later on, but it's less elegant |
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| 20:34.30 | hesco | I would like to install Lenny to an external drive. I was able to boot knoppix, then plug in the drive, and use cfdisk to write a new partition table on it. But if I try to reboot the machine while the external drive is connected, I get a menu offering F2 for BIOS and F10 for boot menu and neither key is responsive. Any ideas how to move past this? |
| 20:34.33 | jelly-home | then again if you only need a small amount encrypted (say, less than 1GB), making lots of small partitions is silly too |
| 20:34.51 | MrWax | ok |
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| 20:34.55 | MrWax | so i'll do all in one for now |
| 20:35.12 | rgouveia | hi ... I just installed a kernel from kernel.org and would like aptitude not to show kernel updates. Is /etc/apt/preferences the right way? |
| 20:35.17 | MrWax | was recently just reading some article that said, one partition for a webserver environment can never be good |
| 20:35.25 | MrWax | would you consider that not true |
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| 20:35.37 | hesco | Also the external drice offers both firewire and usb, which would work better for me? |
| 20:35.38 | ovnicraft | i create a new script in init.d then update-rc myscript defaults 99 |
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| 20:35.49 | hesco | drive |
| 20:35.50 | ovnicraft | but when boot it doesnt runs |
| 20:35.50 | mattboll | hi |
| 20:35.58 | mattboll | # rmmod -f ztdummy |
| 20:35.59 | mattboll | ERROR: Removing 'ztdummy': Operation not permitted |
| 20:36.15 | mattboll | of course I'm root, and nothing seems to use the module |
| 20:36.19 | mattboll | any idea ? |
| 20:36.50 | jelly-home | mattboll: its usage count is 0? |
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| 20:37.10 | mattboll | yes |
| 20:37.12 | abrotman | !rmmod |
| 20:37.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
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| 20:37.38 | jelly-home | mattboll: well. I guess you'll have to reboot, then |
| 20:38.03 | mattboll | thanx abrotman, I've got a better error ^^ |
| 20:38.07 | jelly-home | and possibly blacklist it beforehand if it got loaded automatically |
| 20:38.13 | mattboll | I really don't want to reboot |
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| 20:38.57 | ovnicraft | and /etc/rc.local dont runs by default |
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| 20:39.47 | ZitZ | Hey guys, I have an ext4 partition that somehow got corrupted with "multiply-claimed blocks", it told me to run fsck without the -p option, so I did and now it is asking me if I want to clone the multiply-claimed blocks? what is it asking of me? |
| 20:39.49 | ovnicraft | update-rc myscript defaults 99, configure myscript to runs when booting? |
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| 20:41.05 | gaintsura | is there a way to list what packages are installed and when the files they provided were last used? |
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| 20:41.26 | xshadowfire | dpkg -l |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | xshadowfire: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:41.58 | xshadowfire | as for seeing when they were last used |
| 20:42.05 | xshadowfire | I don't think that's built into dpkg |
| 20:42.30 | xshadowfire | there's a command to list the files provided so you can check them manually but I forget the command <_< |
| 20:43.29 | gaintsura | well dpkg -l lists all installed, -L <package name> lists whats in a package, but.... yeah |
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| 20:44.24 | kenjy | guys can you help me? I wanna upgrade from etch to lenny but when I do apt-get update I just get: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 20:44.40 | kenjy | I tryed this: # gpg --keyserver ftp.us.debian.org --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 20:44.42 | eOliva | hey, I've installed Xorg and all desktop environment here, and it's working well....but when I go in /etc/X11, there is no xorg.conf, where is it?? |
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| 20:45.02 | kenjy | but with no luck, when I ran gpg I got gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 20:45.10 | Dracie | eOliva, hmm you can always generate one with X -configure |
| 20:45.18 | jelly-home | kenjy: have you read lenny release notes? |
| 20:45.44 | eOliva | Dracie, but Xorg needs a config file to run, right?? So, it should not be running... |
| 20:45.58 | eOliva | Dracie, but gdm starts with no problem... |
| 20:46.11 | kenjy | jelly: well Im reading this: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#old-upgrade but I don't know if thats the lenny release notes |
| 20:46.12 | Dracie | eOliva, it can run w/o a config file, but not configured for special drivers say Nvidia or flgrx |
| 20:46.24 | jelly-home | kenjy: it is. |
| 20:46.25 | kenjy | jelly-home: well Im reading this: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#old-upgrade but I don't know if thats the lenny release notes |
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| 20:46.59 | kenjy | jelly-home: it say preparing sources for apt, it say You might need to add an GPG checking exception for DVDs and CD-ROMs. |
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| 20:47.06 | kenjy | jelly-home: what Im doing wrong? |
| 20:47.20 | eOliva | Dracie, so thats should be happening here.... |
| 20:47.44 | aZaFred | Hello, I have a quick question. Trying to run apt-get upgrade -y over ssh on a whole bunch of server. However the process fails because dpkg want input from me: http://pastebin.com/d2f090f29 |
| 20:48.02 | aZaFred | Anybody has any idea how to get past that (beside using expect ;p) |
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| 20:48.40 | kenjy | jelly-home: I don't know where is the gpg key: http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:49.12 | jelly-home | kenjy: /msg dpkg etch->lenny key |
| 20:49.17 | Dracie | eOliva, You should be fine without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file unless you need X to behave otherwise |
| 20:49.21 | jelly-home | kenjy: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:49.27 | nickgrey147 | Can i buy photoshop , dreamweaver and use that through wine , with the licencing being valid ? |
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| 20:50.25 | eOliva | Dracie, so if I run X -configure, and then X -config /root/xorg.conf-new , it should work, right? |
| 20:50.31 | jelly-home | kenjy: you haven't updated your sources.list to point to lenny yet, right? |
| 20:50.37 | jelly-home | kenjy: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 20:51.02 | Dracie | eOliva, wait you said it works fine without a config? You want to use a different driver? |
| 20:51.11 | kenjy | jelly-home: my sources.list its updated to point to lenny |
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| 20:51.34 | kenjy | jelly: I have debian-archive-keyring: ii debian-archive-keyring 2007.07.31~etch1 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 20:51.51 | kenjy | jelly-home: I have debian-archive-keyring: ii debian-archive-keyring 2007.07.31~etch1 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 20:52.04 | jelly-home | kenjy: yeah, you should have updated etch to the latest before switching sources.list |
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| 20:52.53 | kenjy | jelly-home: ok, let me try |
| 20:53.13 | xshadowfire | kenjy: just apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:53.17 | xshadowfire | and ignore the errors |
| 20:53.18 | eOliva | Dracie, yes, I need to use synaptics and nvidia drivers |
| 20:53.20 | xshadowfire | :| |
| 20:53.23 | kenjy | xshadowfire: I have it installed |
| 20:53.29 | xshadowfire | you have an old one installed |
| 20:53.36 | xshadowfire | your keyring is out of date |
| 20:53.41 | xshadowfire | that's why it's yelling at you |
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| 20:54.10 | kenjy | jelly-home: same error with a normal etch update: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 20:54.10 | kenjy | 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
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| 20:54.27 | jelly-home | kenjy: pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:54.28 | kenjy | jelly-home: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 20:54.40 | Dracie | eOliva, as far as I know Xorg will not set it to Nvidia, but you can use X to configure the config so everything else is setup right, then just put in the Drivers field "Nvidia" |
| 20:54.54 | Dracie | the debianwiki has a article about proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 20:55.03 | kenjy | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m509e3c34 |
| 20:55.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I get this box to have internet access? |
| 20:55.44 | jelly-home | kenjy: so install debian-archive-keyring now |
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| 20:58.18 | kenjy | jelly-home: its working tnks |
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| 20:59.00 | helo | anyone know why the onboard r8169 nic wouldn't be detected on this newish motherboard? |
| 20:59.13 | helo | it was detected originally, but i coulnd't get any data to go through it, so i put in a pci card |
| 20:59.21 | helo | now it isn't even shown in lspci |
| 20:59.40 | helo | it is enabled in the bios |
| 20:59.50 | mattboll | FATAL: Module ztdummy not found. |
| 20:59.56 | mattboll | but I can see it in lsmod :( |
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| 21:01.37 | kenjy | jelly-home: so for upgrading to lenny I should do this after changing etch to lenny in sources.list? aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 21:01.58 | jelly-home | kenjy: I have no idea. Follow the release notes. |
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| 21:02.51 | eOliva | Dracie, the weird thing is that when I run X, it does not work, says that /dev/fb0 does not exist......but when I run gdm start, it works perfectly |
| 21:02.59 | \amethyst | kenjy: that's the general idea, but certain packages require extra work, as described in the release notes |
| 21:02.59 | kenjy | \amethyst: ok tnks |
| 21:03.22 | Dracie | eOliva, what user are you trying to run X as? |
| 21:03.35 | eOliva | root |
| 21:04.02 | psycodad | hi, after a power cycle i get segfaults from apt* but everything else on the box works pretty fine (its a ha node with dhcp and dns). I already did the obvious rm -r /var/cache/apt/* and I can't believe its a real hardware problem since the segfaults only appear with apt* . I already tar'ed and copied over /lib and /usr/bin from the other box in the cluster, but still anything starting with apt segfaults and everything else works. Does anybody |
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| 21:04.38 | xshadowfire | I just did dist-upgrade and be done with it <.< |
| 21:04.40 | Dracie | eOliva, hmm yeah I am not sure why its doing that |
| 21:04.50 | xshadowfire | but then again I've been on lenny since a year before it was released |
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| 21:07.04 | Deepa | Apache constantly buggers me about these files: http://pastebin.com/m1426b790 anyone know what package they could be in? |
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| 21:08.12 | abrotman | do you have an actual error? |
| 21:08.45 | Deepa | Yes, they are missing |
| 21:09.06 | Deepa | As in, trying to be reached by a script or in this case several |
| 21:09.09 | Deepa | Hmm |
| 21:09.28 | Deepa | Actually scratch that, I have a theory |
| 21:09.46 | psycodad | Deepa: i believe you can use package.debian.org to search which package they belong to, that might give some more hints |
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| 21:16.07 | homeyirka | hello all, i got stuck with a update-initramfs problem, could somebody give me any hint please? |
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| 21:18.02 | homeyirka | when i try to run synaptic it tells me, that i have to run dpkg --configure -a, but if i run this, it ends with cpio: ./sbin/udevtrigger: Cannot stat: ... and cpio: ./sbin/udevsettle: Cannot stat: File not found error |
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| 21:19.37 | homeyirka | i tried to google this issue. but cannot find any suitable (or working) solution |
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| 21:21.20 | tiyowan | hello everyone |
| 21:21.45 | joomlaking | hi too |
| 21:22.38 | joomlaking | i checked ndiswrapper stuff for debian, work fine - why not with derivate ubuntu? |
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| 21:23.26 | joomlaking | does module assistant work different on debian |
| 21:23.30 | embrik | can anyone help me install a citrix client? |
| 21:24.13 | embrik | I use this install script: ./citrixvpn-linux-2.4-i386.sh - downloaded from the site where I try to log on |
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| 21:25.00 | embrik | I get this: 416: /etc/init.d/net6vpnd: not found |
| 21:25.17 | abrotman | embrik: uname -a |
| 21:25.38 | embrik | Ok, thanks |
| 21:25.51 | embrik | Used the wrong source.. |
| 21:26.00 | m45h | if i wget and download something where does it get saved any idea anyone |
| 21:26.17 | joomlaking | ls |
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| 21:26.28 | embrik | in tmp? |
| 21:26.33 | mrtnt | is .xinitrc file used only with XFree86? |
| 21:26.38 | psycodad | m45h: in the current dir. use 'pwd' to find out where you are. |
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| 21:27.01 | psycodad | m45h: given you didn't specify -o etc. |
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| 21:28.27 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hello |
| 21:29.44 | TbbW | damn that scared me... |
| 21:29.46 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've got a problem with a newly-installed debian server. I'm connecting via SSH, and when I'm trying to install a package from apt from an "untrusted" source, it asks me to type "Sì"... but, the character encoding is wrong either in my client or in the server, so it doesn't receive the right string. how can I switch to the english aptitude? or solve the encoding issue? |
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| 21:30.02 | TbbW | a painting on the wall just fell off ( the nail got loose ) |
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| 21:30.26 | embrik | what should I anser this question, What is the location of your linux kernel source?, if my uname -a gives Linux embrik-desktop 2.6.28-13-generic |
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| 21:31.04 | embrik | should it be /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-13-generic |
| 21:31.35 | embrik | or just /usr/src/linux |
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| 21:35.04 | DetroitLibertyPe | THE_GFR|WORK, you do have internet access or you wouldn't be here |
| 21:35.12 | Gun_Smoke | is away: Gone away for now |
| 21:35.24 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've got a problem with a newly-installed debian server. I'm connecting via SSH, and when I'm trying to install a package from apt from an "untrusted" source, it asks me to type "Sì"... but, the character encoding is wrong either in my client or in the server, so it doesn't receive the right string. how can I switch to the english aptitude? or solve the encoding issue? |
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| 21:36.32 | mitrax_ | hello, i'm having a problem with cron on debian, i have a cron job that's a bash script that checks if a process is running, and if not spawns it (e.g: /path/to/process > /var/run/foo.log &) the problem is the script gets zombied and i have /usr/bin/cron waiting on it |
| 21:36.37 | Ego-Ale-Sum | ok I found an command line option to force aptitude... anyway, it's very annoying. do you know how to change system language to english? so charset is plain ascii?? |
| 21:36.54 | mitrax_ | on the terminal the script works fine |
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| 21:38.27 | bzed | mitrax_: adding disown after the & could help |
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| 21:38.40 | bzed | mitrax_: or fix your program |
| 21:38.48 | eeebittin_ | How do i do my root partion on my debian system bigger in the most easy way? |
| 21:38.49 | bzed | mitrax_: so it daemonizes properly |
| 21:38.56 | dondelelcaro | eeebittin_: LANG=C aptitude |
| 21:38.58 | seniorake | i would like to add data=writeback to my fstab, how could i figure out which type (writeback, ordered, journal) is in use atm? fs is ext3 |
| 21:39.01 | mitrax_ | bzed: i tried the disown but it didn't work |
| 21:39.07 | dondelelcaro | s/eeebittin_/Ego-Ale-Sum/ |
| 21:39.08 | bzed | mitrax_: the other option is probably start-stop-daemon |
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| 21:39.32 | dondelelcaro | Ego-Ale-Sum: you can probably also fix your ssh program to send UTF-8; it's probably sending iso8859-1 or some other encoding |
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| 21:39.56 | Titan | is it safe to symlink /tmp to /dev/shm |
| 21:40.03 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dondelelcaro: I'm using mac osx's terminal, which is using utf8. it's the server that is using iso8859-1. anyay, tnx |
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| 21:40.23 | bzed | seniorake: man mount - search for writeback |
| 21:40.42 | dondelelcaro | Ego-Ale-Sum: the default is actually UTF-8 for quite some time... but that said, you can easily change it by using es_ES.UTF8 instead of whatever you're using currently |
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| 21:40.53 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dondelelcaro: the "LANG=en" trick seems to work fine, btw. tnx |
| 21:41.03 | dondelelcaro | Ego-Ale-Sum: yeah, LANG=C is the canonical way to do that |
| 21:41.04 | bzed | Titan: /tmphas nothing to do with shm, I'd not do that |
| 21:41.13 | eeebittin_ | 6,4gig is to small for a root partion i just found out |
| 21:41.14 | Titan | oh ok |
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| 21:42.00 | Ego-Ale-Sum | dondelelcaro: aaaaaahhh aptitude is in english, but the scripts in the packages don't work... -.-" |
| 21:42.07 | Ego-Ale-Sum | manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correc |
| 21:42.12 | Ego-Ale-Sum | this is the error |
| 21:43.20 | dondelelcaro | Ego-Ale-Sum: that's just a warning, and why I said to use LANG=C |
| 21:43.43 | Ego-Ale-Sum | ooh. I thought "C" was a placemark for the language :) |
| 21:43.52 | dondelelcaro | nope |
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| 21:44.55 | dondelelcaro | !metasyntactic variables |
| 21:44.56 | dpkg | [metasyntactic variables] a long word. |
| 21:45.11 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
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| 21:45.32 | asg | it's metasyntactic variable |
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| 21:46.23 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: metasyntactic variables is <reply> see metasyntactic variable |
| 21:46.24 | dpkg | ...but metasyntactic variables is already something else... |
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| 21:46.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, metasyntactic variables is <reply> see metasyntactic variable |
| 21:46.29 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 21:47.59 | brolin | has a strange NFSv3 problem where rsync running as root on his PC cannot read a file on the NFS server. The NFS server has no_root_squash enabled for the export. The files on the NFS server are owned by alan and brolin and only readable by their owner, but I thought root should still be able to read them? |
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| 21:51.43 | jaybee | I've installed debian for a file server. Sometimes when I boot up the dev names for drives gets rearranged. Is there an easy way to stop it from doing this? Ie a command that reads device id info and dumps it to a boot up file for the kernel with a mapping of hw id to dev name? |
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| 21:52.50 | dondelelcaro | jaybee: you can use udev, or UUIDs |
| 21:53.00 | asg | jaybee: man fstab |
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| 21:53.14 | eeebittin_ | can i dd gparted to an usb stick and fix it that way |
| 21:53.32 | jaybee | How will the work with a raid array (mdadm, software) ? |
| 21:53.48 | dondelelcaro | jaybee: it doesn't matter with mdadm; that's auto-assembling |
| 21:54.09 | eeebittin_ | my usb stick says > Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table :( |
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| 21:54.25 | davidX_ | has anyone installed lenny on a dell r610? |
| 21:54.28 | dondelelcaro | eeebittin_: so create one on it |
| 21:54.38 | dondelelcaro | davidX_: someone almost certainly has |
| 21:54.45 | jaybee | Ok great, and is there a command I can run that will auto fix up my fstab or is it a manual process (I can handle a manual process but would rather not waste time)? |
| 21:55.08 | davidX_ | dondelelcaro: 64bit seems to be bombing for me on almost anything related to the northbridge, nics, usb, etc |
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| 21:55.42 | davidX_ | i've been googling for awhile and found some other people experiencing the same issues but haven't found a solution yet.. |
| 21:56.43 | nsadmin | you mean amd64 arch of some debian version? |
| 21:56.53 | eeebittin_ | cfdisk fixed my problem :) |
| 21:56.53 | nsadmin | out of curiousity :) |
| 21:56.59 | davidX_ | nsadmin: indeed |
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| 21:57.18 | nsadmin | is this a new box? |
| 21:57.26 | davidX_ | yes, the r610's are fairly new |
| 21:57.55 | dondelelcaro | davidX_: hrm... yeah, sounds like you may need a kmuto kernel |
| 21:57.59 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 21:58.00 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:58.03 | nsadmin | did you get it assembled? or you put it together, screwed down mobo, etc? |
| 21:58.05 | gorp | davidX_, is it nehalem ? |
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| 21:58.13 | davidX_ | gorp: yes |
| 21:58.13 | dondelelcaro | gorp: yeah, that's the nehalem issue |
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| 21:59.43 | davidX_ | dondelelcaro: hmmm, reviewing |
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| 22:00.24 | dondelelcaro | davidX_: yeah, so actually it looks like a bios update for the dell machines fixes the problem |
| 22:00.52 | dondelelcaro | davidX_: see http://bugs.debian.org/526525 (at the end) |
| 22:01.00 | jaybee | Trivial question, anyone know of a tool I can use like this timeexecution somecommand somearguments |
| 22:01.08 | jaybee | That will tell me how long the command took in seconds? |
| 22:01.08 | TbbW | jelly-home: Grub also worked with raid1 adding it to mdX :P |
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| 22:01.19 | dondelelcaro | jaybee: time command args |
| 22:01.28 | davidX_ | dondelelcaro: thanks so much, that's even better than using a custom kernel ;) |
| 22:01.33 | dondelelcaro | jaybee: help time; for details (or man time; if your shell doesn't have a builtin) |
| 22:01.35 | jaybee | duh thanks I could have probably guessed that |
| 22:01.36 | asg | jaybee: what is the timeexecution command supposed to do |
| 22:02.03 | dondelelcaro | davidX_: yeah, I don't know if that completely fixes your problem, but it looks like it's the first step |
| 22:02.17 | jaybee | I alway wondered what that output meant when I accidently typed time instead of date and why it always said 0 |
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| 22:02.56 | eeebittin_ | how do i delete something i have dded on a usb stick? |
| 22:03.27 | eeebittin_ | on a read only file system? |
| 22:03.31 | dkr | overwrite with 0s using dd |
| 22:03.35 | nsadmin | jaybee: if you were to type time flies, the machine would release about 499,000 flies and find out how fast they find your bathroom :) |
| 22:03.41 | asg | eeebittin_: you can't if it's read-only |
| 22:03.44 | TbbW | eeebittin_: remove the partitions ? :) |
| 22:04.01 | eeebittin_ | dkr: how do i do that? |
| 22:04.09 | eeebittin_ | TbbW: how do i do that? |
| 22:04.20 | jaybee | nsadmin: sounds like it has a few bugs then, maybe I shouldn't use it |
| 22:04.35 | gorp | eeebittin, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 22:04.38 | dkr | eeebittin_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whateverr |
| 22:04.38 | nsadmin | a few hundred thousand bugs :) |
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| 22:05.15 | nsadmin | seriously... you could say time (put a file transfer command here) |
| 22:05.56 | nsadmin | but when you say time by itself, it things you mean "time how long it takes to do nothing" |
| 22:05.56 | jaybee | On a side note, turns out my decision to build a file server a copy all my dvd data to it was a good one. These 5 years old dvds using "tough discs" that are meant to be resilient are producing bad crcs |
| 22:06.12 | eeebittin_ | i now pretty much fucked up my root system :/ |
| 22:06.31 | gorp | is nsadmin a bot ? |
| 22:06.37 | eeebittin_ | i fixed it back =) |
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| 22:07.01 | gorp | jaybee, hard disk are cheap reliable storage backup support |
| 22:07.20 | nsadmin | gorp: why do you ask? |
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| 22:08.40 | gorp | just write on your drive, plug it off, and wait a thousand years, ... you will be able to recover your data for sure, not with dvd neither tape |
| 22:08.46 | Scootz | hey all. trying to install openssh server on my server and its trying to install xorg stuff. Is there a way to prevent X from installing? |
| 22:08.46 | nsadmin | gorp: no, really... why do you ask? |
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| 22:09.15 | gorp | nsadmin, i wasn't able to understand your monologue |
| 22:09.26 | asg | Scootz: what command are you typing? pastebin the command and output (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
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| 22:09.43 | nsadmin | so your assumption is "if I cannot understand X, then X is a bot"? |
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| 22:10.19 | gorp | nsadmin, sure you are not a bot. |
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| 22:10.31 | nsadmin | and before you answer, there's no worries,,, I'm just curious |
| 22:10.35 | OpenTokix | Scootz: ssh needs soem xstuff, for xforwarding to work |
| 22:10.37 | gorp | or may be a female bot |
| 22:10.59 | nsadmin | hermaphroditic maybe |
| 22:11.02 | nsadmin | O |
| 22:11.06 | gorp | i'm curious too, so I ask |
| 22:11.07 | Scootz | is there a way to stop/prevent X from installing though? |
| 22:11.19 | Scootz | i have no X requirements at all. |
| 22:11.22 | OpenTokix | Scootz: it's just some supporting libraries not entire x-server etc. |
| 22:11.43 | nsadmin | what brought it on tho? what was it that sparked the initial curiousity? |
| 22:12.16 | Scootz | OpenTokix, i know. i still don't want it. |
| 22:12.25 | adb | Scootz: desable recommends in apt.conf |
| 22:12.46 | gorp | nsadmin, just my poor english, which let it me uncertain about what I read. |
| 22:12.52 | wald0 | is there any way to do something remote (like ssh) without that the other person will need to open any port (noob, tired to try to explain things between hours) |
| 22:12.52 | OpenTokix | adb: ssh-server depends on some xlibraries |
| 22:13.10 | OpenTokix | Scootz: if you are totaly anal about it, I guess yuo can compule a leaner ssh-server |
| 22:13.15 | nsadmin | gorp: oh, yes? what's your native language? |
| 22:13.26 | gorp | french |
| 22:13.34 | Scootz | OpenTokix, :) hehe. |
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| 22:13.41 | adb | OpenTokix: he don't want X |
| 22:13.52 | gorp | wald0, the remote user |
| 22:13.53 | themill | !apt recommends |
| 22:13.54 | dpkg | Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf; or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false. Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages. |
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| 22:14.14 | OpenTokix | adb: I understand that |
| 22:14.21 | eeebittin_ | maybe i should just reinstall and make the root partion bigger |
| 22:14.24 | OpenTokix | adb: but ssh depends on some basic libraries, for the xforwarding stuff |
| 22:14.28 | gorp | wald0, you have a call to a person that have access to the keyboard |
| 22:14.35 | themill | OpenTokix: recommends, not depends |
| 22:14.37 | Scootz | missing x/fowarding is fine for me. |
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| 22:14.46 | nsadmin | ahh... sorry I was confusing you... incidentally, was there any part of what I was saying you'd like explained? |
| 22:14.53 | Scootz | ty dpkg i'll try that |
| 22:15.26 | Scootz | i have no "X" installed on any of my computers.. so xforwarding would be useless. |
| 22:16.10 | wald0 | gorp: im trying to found a strange bug, i really need to ssh to it, he's a total noob that doesn't know anything about terminal, and im not going to lost 3 days trying that |
| 22:16.59 | gorp | nsadmin after re reading, i'll got the idea |
| 22:17.27 | nsadmin | Scootz: X is in two major parts,,, there is x server and x client (which are the reverse of what you'd generally think)... it could be you nave no x server but maybe x clients and x client libraries |
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| 22:17.39 | gorp | wald0, too noon to apt-get install openssh-server ? |
| 22:18.05 | nsadmin | or not... if you have only packages that do not depend on x server, or on x client libs |
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| 22:19.48 | wald0 | gorp: im talking about ports, how i can explain to him how to enter in the router and open them ? |
| 22:19.58 | nsadmin | gorp: one thing I do as much as I can, is when I'm talkign to someone specifically, I'll adjust my communication style and speed according to what I think they can handle efficiently |
| 22:20.48 | wald0 | gorp: in any case is the SAME problem that i encounter everytime that i have a noob like this, im tired to lost hours with these things, i have other things to do too... if he will "ssh to me" but that i can have a login to his computer, i could gain a lot of hours ! |
| 22:21.35 | lolufail | hi |
| 22:21.59 | lolufail | how would I delete directorys with sizes lower than x? |
| 22:22.06 | lolufail | directories* |
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| 22:22.37 | gorp | wald0, open your X11 server, tell him to export an xterm to you. |
| 22:22.41 | lolufail | du -s * | sort -n | tail -n[manual value] | xargs rm isnt the way :D |
| 22:23.01 | eeebittin_ | http://bittin.linuxuser.se/installed.txt there we go :) |
| 22:23.02 | abrotman | why isn't it ? |
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| 22:24.03 | brolin | wald0: portforward.com? |
| 22:24.18 | wald0 | gorp: to export a xterm to me ? what you mean ? so he connecting to me in X ? |
| 22:24.29 | gorp | nsadmin, this really kind, i'm sure your support is ever appriciated |
| 22:25.01 | wald0 | brolin: stills too much time lost :( |
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| 22:25.18 | gorp | wald0, heavily unsecure, but open your X server, and tell him to do xterm -display YourIP:0 |
| 22:25.21 | wald0 | long time ago i have see a friend that has do a very simple thing, but i dont remember how he has do it |
| 22:25.24 | wald0 | the thing is: |
| 22:25.37 | abrotman | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:25.50 | wald0 | somebody has ssh to his computer, then by this connection made, he will be allowed to ssh to that person, aparently by setting up a openvpn on his computer |
| 22:25.59 | wald0 | abrotman: me ? |
| 22:26.05 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:27.15 | wald0 | abrotman: i want remote access to persons with poor knowledges that i dont have time to explain "how to open the port 22 in your router", something fast, that he can connect to me and i can remote to him, or something like that |
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| 22:27.52 | abrotman | wald0: does he have ssh ? |
| 22:27.58 | abrotman | the client i mean |
| 22:28.00 | Xires | is there a PulseAudio 0.9.15 package available for Lenny? I'm not finding it in backports and would loose too much if I tried switching to squeeze or sid |
| 22:28.01 | wald0 | abrotman: yes |
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| 22:29.58 | abrotman | wald0: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/ssh_tunnelling.html .. the second part i believe is what you're looking for ? |
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| 22:30.28 | brolin | wald0: Have him connect his PC directly to his cable or DSL modem? |
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| 22:31.29 | wald0 | abrotman: ok let me see |
| 22:31.42 | wald0 | brolin: im not sure, no matters, is the same problem that i encouter all the time, normally are routers |
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| 22:35.35 | abrotman | wald0: not it ? |
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| 22:37.50 | Scootz | ty to who ever suggested that --no-install-recommends. :) I did install everything it suggested/recommended except the X related stuff. |
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| 22:38.29 | Gun_Smoke | is back. |
| 22:38.29 | at0m | hi, i have this install/upgrade problem, locking out dpkg: http://www.pastebin.be/19252 |
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| 22:39.17 | RandomTask | hello ... anying seen their /dev/scd0 disappear lately? |
| 22:39.30 | nsadmin | at0m: so what does that usually mean? |
| 22:39.32 | RandomTask | i did an apt-get update and it seems to have been removed? |
| 22:39.40 | at0m | firs there was just the "please use '--print-architecture' instead", but then the 'dpkg --configure -a' joined the list of errors, putting me in a loop |
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| 22:39.44 | at0m | *first |
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| 22:40.24 | themill | at0m: what combination of initramfs-tools and udev are you using? |
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| 22:41.31 | enouf | does anyone have a clue as to why most all PDFs i've seen and read always seem to use this Newspaper *column* format (usually 2 columns, sometimes more), where only a few words per line are there; ergo, one has to scroll down, then back up, and jump over to the 2nd column top to continue reading, rather than just making it .. more readable ;-) |
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| 22:41.59 | themill | enouf: because they're still designed for printing out |
| 22:42.37 | enouf | themill: still - hard copy or not, Newspaper column style was actually implemented to make space for advertizements |
| 22:43.03 | enouf | it's a ridiculous format no matter how it's viewed IMHO |
| 22:43.04 | at0m | themill: 0.93.2 for initramfs-tools and 0.141-1 for udev |
| 22:43.08 | themill | enouf: err no it wasn't. Read Knuth's work on typesetting. |
| 22:43.25 | enouf | themill: books have been around since ... when? |
| 22:43.58 | themill | enouf: books are not as wide as your screen, a piece of paper or a newspaper. |
| 22:44.09 | enouf | themill: was the writings of Poor Man's almanac (Franklin) in that format? |
| 22:44.20 | enouf | themill: huh? |
| 22:44.49 | Pashka2 | hi. excuse me, is there something like a linux setup tool exist in debian? |
| 22:45.03 | DetroitLibertyPe | what? |
| 22:45.04 | enouf | book format allows for say 15-20 words per line, not the newspaper style where you get 4-8 perhaps |
| 22:45.28 | Pashka2 | I mean tool named "setup" |
| 22:45.28 | mythomaniac | i'm trying to install Maltego2 and when i do java -jar *.jar it states this: "The application that you are trying to install requires a 1.6 version or later of the Java platform. You are running a 1.5.0 version of the Java platform. Please upgrade to a newer version." but i have java 6 installed... what gives? |
| 22:45.40 | at0m | Pashka2: what do you want to set up? |
| 22:45.43 | enouf | themill: thank you for the responses nonetheless |
| 22:46.05 | themill | at0m: does sbin/udev* stuff exist on your machine? |
| 22:46.17 | jamon | mythomaniac: update-java-alternatives |
| 22:46.23 | Zesturian | pdflush keeps hitting 99.9% IO usage in iotop, is this normal behaviour? |
| 22:46.27 | enouf | themill: just try imagining reading a Novel in newspaper format ... or even technical books |
| 22:46.29 | themill | enouf: most speed reading techniques also only work with short lines (40-50 characters) |
| 22:46.41 | enouf | silliness, IMHO |
| 22:46.46 | mythomaniac | jamon, as root, or can i do it as user? |
| 22:47.05 | at0m | themill: yes |
| 22:47.13 | jamon | as user mythomaniac, use JAVA_HOME |
| 22:47.30 | enouf | i can much more easily scan lines for keywords, so long as the lines are not so long as to contain more than say 25 words |
| 22:47.35 | at0m | themill: udevadm and udevd |
| 22:47.52 | jamon | mythomaniac: set JAVA_HOME in your maltego2 scripts or .profile, or use update-java-alternatives to set your java jdk globally |
| 22:47.52 | abrotman | enouf: your PDF reader doesn't have Find ? |
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| 22:47.57 | enouf | at0m: pgrep udevd says? |
| 22:48.04 | enouf | at0m: yes, ofcourse it does |
| 22:48.08 | enouf | er abrotman |
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| 22:48.15 | at0m | enouf: 1253 |
| 22:48.17 | hesco1 | I have just added an external drive to a machine and built a new OS on it (debian). I got ahead of myself and installed grub to the mbr on hda1. grub/menu.1st is at /dev/sdb2/grub/menu.1st. The machine won't make it past a welcome screen to the grub menu if /dev/sdb is plugged in. With it plugged in, it reaches the grub menu but fails on an Error 21, I assume because it can not reach its menu. /dev/hda1 has an NTFS system hosting my |
| 22:48.29 | hesco1 | Can anyone here please advise me how to break this impasse? |
| 22:48.34 | enouf | and once a keyword is found, usually i like to read those *areas* |
| 22:48.41 | enouf | and trying to read, hurts |
| 22:48.45 | themill | at0m: I was meaning /sbin/udevsettle (and presumably /sbin/udevtrigger |
| 22:48.52 | enouf | do not do the barbie thing :-P |
| 22:49.05 | at0m | themill: not there :z |
| 22:49.14 | enouf | at0m: ok .. that means it's running, good |
| 22:49.19 | enouf | i think |
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| 22:49.32 | Pashka2 | ¤at0m¤ all common settings at onec. like timezones, services and so on |
| 22:49.38 | Pashka2 | *once |
| 22:49.40 | themill | at0m: perhaps grab the .deb and try unpacking it by hand. (or check the udev package with debsums) |
| 22:49.40 | at0m | also weird, i have to manually modprobe snd-stuff after boot |
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| 22:50.37 | at0m | Pashka2: on debian you'd go through /etc/ with a text editor for system settings, and through ~/.* for user settings. and a lot of manuals. |
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| 22:50.57 | at0m | Pashka2: what desktop are you running? |
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| 22:51.36 | Pashka2 | I am do not use desktop. console only |
| 22:51.46 | tingle | love debian <3<3 hope i can do something back soon :)) |
| 22:51.59 | enouf | at0m: which version of Debian? older ones used udevmonitor, udevcontrol, udev* which was then all wrapped up into udevadm in later versions, IINM |
| 22:52.03 | mythomaniac | jamon, thank you |
| 22:52.07 | at0m | Pashka2: ok texteditor then - vi or nano |
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| 22:52.26 | at0m | enouf: testing |
| 22:52.31 | enouf | at0m: note; i'm showed up late, and not sure what your exact issue is |
| 22:52.35 | nsadmin | !iinm |
| 22:52.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken" |
| 22:52.35 | enouf | hrm |
| 22:52.45 | at0m | enouf: http://www.pastebin.be/19252 |
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| 22:53.52 | at0m | enouf: weird enough i have the same on 2 machines. both on testing, but one 686 and one x86_64 |
| 22:53.58 | Caldavien | hi guys, Im thinking of upgrading my debian lenny webserver for more space. I currently have 2 ide drives, one for / and one for /var. I want to upgrade the one for /var to a bigger drive and the only options big enough are sata, does any one know of sata-ide or sata-pci adapters that work with debian5? |
| 22:54.24 | Pashka2 | heh... bad news... :-) |
| 22:54.41 | Caldavien | or even a hardware list that includes these? Most lists dont seem to have anything that comes up in a search similar |
| 22:55.05 | enouf | at0m: that is odd .. i gather the others already told you, or you've done it yourself; dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 22:55.39 | at0m | enouf: sure, got that from aptitude's output |
| 22:55.43 | enouf | at0m: and .. you've checked and killed open instances already for aptitude/apt/libapt/etc ? |
| 22:55.53 | at0m | enouf: yes |
| 22:56.01 | enouf | at0m: have you run aptitude update? |
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| 22:56.09 | at0m | enouf: yes |
| 22:56.24 | enouf | at0m: do you have a security line in your sources.list? |
| 22:56.40 | themill | he's running squeeze |
| 22:56.49 | MADDDD | hi if i want to do a server install without net access can i get by with just cd 1 or do i need more? |
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| 22:57.03 | enouf | themill: still - it's optional - and i'm curious |
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| 22:57.12 | themill | there's nothing in squeeze security yet |
| 22:57.16 | nsadmin | this server is never going to have net access? |
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| 22:57.19 | at0m | enouf: http://security.debian.org/ indeed |
| 22:57.30 | abrotman | MADDDD: depends what you want the server to do |
| 22:57.31 | at0m | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 22:57.59 | themill | at0m: you shouldn't have lenny/updates there if you're running squeeze. That's going to end very badly |
| 22:58.10 | at0m | oh |
| 22:58.14 | enouf | at0m: that's not the whole line, but ok -- do you have sudo setup? and ... are you booted into a livecd or something right now on those machines? .. any chroot going on? |
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| 22:58.32 | at0m | enouf: no chrooting, hd boot |
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| 22:58.43 | at0m | just ssh'd in my server for irc |
| 22:58.48 | enouf | themill: ok, then it's changed - i recall _some_ security atleast for *main* |
| 22:59.00 | themill | enouf: not atm. /msg dpkg testing security |
| 22:59.53 | enouf | themill: gotcha - thanks |
| 22:59.53 | enouf | at0m: i'm perplexed .. all i can think of is try as a user using sudo .. pastebin output of "pstree -lunap" |
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| 23:00.06 | enouf | at0m: erm .. is /var mounted ro? |
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| 23:00.17 | enouf | or any part of /var |
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| 23:01.27 | enouf | at0m: did you install any non-Official .debs that might contain what line 18 mentions; "dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead." |
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| 23:01.51 | enouf | at0m: any openvz or xen or something? non Debian sources? |
| 23:02.54 | enouf | at0m: also show us output of cat /proc/version ; cat /proc/cmdline ; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:03.21 | Pashka2 | ok. thanks ppl |
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| 23:05.25 | enouf | at0m: also, try "apt-get -s upgrade" and show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and tell us if you recently altered it |
| 23:05.35 | at0m | enouf: http://pastebin.com/f54bd964b |
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| 23:05.50 | tiyowan | hello everyone |
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| 23:08.30 | enouf | at0m: heh, you too have all those console-kit-dae weirdos, not related but still - pkill console-kit-* |
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| 23:09.30 | enouf | at0m: do you have k package manager (or whatever it's called) or synaptic or something also running or even open? |
| 23:09.41 | tiyowan | I've tried intalling Debian Lenny onto my laptop, but although the installation completes successfully, the installation doesn't boot properly - it hangs approx. six seconds into the boot up process. :( |
| 23:11.17 | wald0 | abrotman: sorry for the delay, i think to yes ! looks like it works, thanks :) |
| 23:11.42 | at0m | enouf: http://www.pastebin.be/19254 . have synaptic installed, but usually use aptitude. don't know how to search in comments in apt* :o |
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| 23:12.06 | enouf | at0m: your pstree -lunap (last paste) is very telling - however, nothing is jumping out, except for that weirdo "|-nepomukserver,4847,at0m" crap - but ithink that's kde4 related or something ... do you perhaps, through screen, already have an one of those apps running we mentioned? aptitude/apt/synaptic/dpkg ? |
| 23:12.49 | tiyowan | I'd be much obliged for some help. I get msgs about the USB system at the point where it hangs. |
| 23:12.51 | at0m | enouf: none of these apps are running. |
| 23:13.01 | enouf | i asked about /var being ro, you never answered at0m ? |
| 23:13.06 | lolufail | abrotman: because I just want to delete stuff below 4GB |
| 23:13.09 | at0m | enouf: nepomuk* is kde4 indeed |
| 23:13.11 | lolufail | and not have to count lines |
| 23:13.14 | at0m | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.19 | o2T7 | Hi, if I am the upstream author of an application, and also the deb package mantainer (and I keep its development close to debian's requirements). Which is the best way of having versions control? |
| 23:13.23 | lolufail | sry for the delay btw ;) |
| 23:13.28 | enouf | at0m: separate partition? |
| 23:13.32 | at0m | enouf: indeed |
| 23:13.33 | enouf | obviously |
| 23:13.48 | themill | at0m: / isn't full or something like that? |
| 23:13.50 | enouf | how is / ? perhaps there were errors and it's ro atm? |
| 23:14.13 | at0m | enouf: "mount | grep ro," is empty |
| 23:14.26 | enouf | errors=continue, halt, whatever in cat /proc/mounts output for ext2/3 FSs |
| 23:14.32 | enouf | man tune2fs |
| 23:14.38 | enouf | ok |
| 23:15.17 | tsoporan_ | Hello, I'm having a little bit of a problem getting my wifi going with an atheros chipset, the madwifi docs say the drivers were removed and that its included in the kernel (2.6.28+), I am using squeeze and only have 2.6.26 .. is there a way to get to .28 or the drivers somehow? |
| 23:15.29 | enouf | o2T7: #debian-mentors on OFTC.net ? |
| 23:15.32 | themill | at0m: what's your initramfs config like? It's trying to copy in files that don't exist in the squeeze package (but are in the lenny package) |
| 23:15.44 | enouf | might have better answers, or more people there in the know? |
| 23:15.56 | o2T7 | enouf: thanks, I'll ask there then |
| 23:16.00 | tiyowan | I've tried intalling Debian Lenny onto my laptop, but although the installation completes successfully, the installation doesn't boot properly - it hangs approx. six seconds into the boot up process, and I see general msgs about the USB system. |
| 23:16.36 | enouf | o2T7: also /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 23:16.43 | enouf | welcome |
| 23:17.01 | at0m | themill: http://pastebin.com/f798202be |
| 23:17.28 | nkuttler | tiyowan: disconnect your usb devices? |
| 23:17.29 | enouf | o2T7: there are many debian specific channels there, so even perhaps #debian-devel might be ok |
| 23:17.48 | at0m | Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu May 28 21:28:49 UTC 2009 |
| 23:18.12 | enouf | ok, that's /proc/version |
| 23:18.16 | at0m | reading up a bit eh, took more time to answer all that :) |
| 23:18.21 | enouf | sure |
| 23:18.32 | tiyowan | nkuttler: tried that - no luck |
| 23:18.33 | xshadowfire | is it possible to edit the partitions on a server without a rescue system |
| 23:18.39 | enouf | i ask for many things sometimes :-P |
| 23:19.05 | enouf | tiyowan: are you trying to boot from a usb device? |
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| 23:19.21 | at0m | enouf: cat /proc/cmdline: root=/dev/sdb3 ro quiet |
| 23:19.31 | tiyowan | enouf: nope |
| 23:19.37 | themill | at0m: that's a lenny kernel on the squeeze machine.... |
| 23:19.37 | enouf | at0m: that's ok - though i'd remove that quiet nonsense |
| 23:19.47 | tiyowan | let me put up a pic of the kernel msgs |
| 23:19.48 | at0m | themill: ew |
| 23:19.49 | enouf | themill: yikes, you're correct |
| 23:20.03 | themill | can't see that being the cause of the problem though |
| 23:20.12 | wald0 | if i want that somebody will ssh to my computer, but that can't do anything (no login), what i can do ? run "chsh" to point somewhere special ? |
| 23:20.14 | at0m | themill: cos of my sources.list mentioning lenny in security? |
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| 23:20.19 | enouf | can't focus - still extremely pissed off about that PDF nonsense :-P |
| 23:20.32 | themill | at0m: yes |
| 23:20.57 | at0m | probably copied that over to the other machine :z |
| 23:21.29 | enouf | at0m: it shouldn't be an issue, however, i can seee maybe hoiw the wrong initrd being mismatched with kernel might somehow be - try to answer themill concerning your initrd/initramfs etc |
| 23:22.19 | at0m | enoug: to reply to libc question, libc6 2.9-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 23:23.15 | enouf | wald0: create a user for them specifically and make their shell /bin/nologin or /bin/false .. i guess as a start - please see the debian-reference as well, maybe even the harden-doc pkg |
| 23:23.38 | enouf | judd: versions libc5 |
| 23:23.38 | judd | enouf: libc5 -- |
| 23:23.41 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 23:23.41 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-16 |
| 23:23.57 | enouf | ok, squeeze/testing |
| 23:24.12 | at0m | http://pastebin.com/f798202be for grep -v "#" /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 23:25.02 | wald0 | enouf: the command "chsh" says that them are not a valid shell |
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| 23:25.37 | abrotman | is it in /etc/shells ? |
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| 23:26.06 | enouf | wald0: follow what abrotman is saying |
| 23:26.25 | enouf | getent passwd username (as well) |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | wald0: and make me food too :) |
| 23:27.00 | tiyowan | http://twitpic.com/7r430 - here you go |
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| 23:27.14 | enouf | !50lb-hamburgersmite abrotman |
| 23:27.25 | xshadowfire | if I were to create a separate tmp partition |
| 23:27.26 | MADDDD | how do i make sure something doesnt run at boot? |
| 23:27.32 | xshadowfire | is there any reason to make it bigger than 512mB |
| 23:27.35 | abrotman | uninstall it ? |
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| 23:27.38 | TbbW | anyone know a good tool to benchmark read/write spead to a spesific folder/location ? |
| 23:27.47 | tiyowan | usb 1-1: device not accept setting address 2, error -71 :( |
| 23:27.48 | enouf | MADDDD: i use rcconf to toggle on/off startup services |
| 23:27.53 | simNIX | How can I configure initramfs (Debian on hd) to have usb module loaded at grub menu so I can boot of usb flash drive without my bis suporting it ?? |
| 23:27.55 | wald0 | abrotman: it is not |
| 23:27.56 | enouf | MADDDD: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 23:28.06 | wald0 | so how i can "block" a user to do anything by having a ssh access ? |
| 23:28.09 | MADDDD | thx |
| 23:28.10 | abrotman | wald0: probably should be |
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| 23:28.35 | enouf | TbbW: perhaps something at lbs.sourceforge.net .. or .. hrm .. specific folder? |
| 23:28.39 | wald0 | mmh, i dont have root access to the machine where i want to set up this |
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| 23:29.11 | enouf | TbbW: you;d be more concerned about network speed if across a net, or throughput of internal disks? |
| 23:29.18 | TbbW | enouf: well wanted to test my raid1 mount vs my raid10 mount :P |
| 23:29.36 | TbbW | internal |
| 23:29.44 | enouf | wald0: ugh, then you;d need to do some stuff all in your /home, maybe even a debootstrap or something ... i dunno |
| 23:29.57 | enouf | TbbW: bonnie++ ? |
| 23:30.11 | at0m | Simulator: i'd look in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf for modules= |
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| 23:30.16 | enouf | TbbW: there's iozone or something at that url, might even be in Debian |
| 23:30.21 | wald0 | enouf: do you know any howto ? |
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| 23:30.28 | at0m | sorry Simulator, simNIX --^^^ |
| 23:30.55 | enouf | wald0: i pointed to some docs already ;-) but try wiki,debian,org, debian-administration.org and google? :-p |
| 23:31.13 | tiyowan | I've tried intalling Debian Lenny onto my laptop, but although the installation completes successfully, the installation doesn't boot properly - it hangs approx. six seconds into the boot up process. Here's a pic of the kernel msgs: http://twitpic.com/7r430 - I have tried removed all the USB peripherals, but I've not had any success. |
| 23:31.14 | enouf | silly keyboard and fonts .. ugh ... , and . |
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| 23:32.36 | Blokk | I changed motherboard and my networked stopped working. I went from intel to nvidia nforce with a NIC that is supposed to use the driver forcedeth. However as a newcomer I am not sure how to fix it, anyone with a great idea? |
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| 23:33.24 | abrotman | Blokk: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 23:34.12 | enouf | tiyowan: ~$ less /tmp/initrd-28/scripts/local-top/ |
| 23:34.13 | enouf | dmraid lvm mdadm udev_helper |
| 23:34.31 | enouf | tiyowan: it seems it's trying to find your / on a USB device |
| 23:34.54 | enouf | tiyowan: i'd say reboot into /msg dpkg rescue mode and reinstall grub to your HDD MBR |
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| 23:35.47 | tiyowan | enouf: um, grub is installed on the hdd mbr |
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| 23:36.17 | enouf | !waiting for root filesystem |
| 23:36.17 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the GRUB menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> <uuid> |
| 23:36.35 | enouf | tiyowan: ^^^^^ |
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| 23:36.57 | tiyowan | enouf: got it - thanks, I'll go try that now |
| 23:37.00 | themill | at0m: do you have debsums installed on that machine? |
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| 23:37.46 | enouf | at0m: have you attempted my apt-get -s upgrade command? |
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| 23:39.07 | enouf | at0m: and .. there's still missing info? a) sources.list b) whether or not non-Official .debs or others were installed that might be trying to use --print-installation-architecture as opposed to ... |
| 23:39.12 | enouf | etc |
| 23:39.59 | adb | enouf: at0m has to fix sources list first.. |
| 23:41.11 | at0m | enouf: apt-get -s upgrade returns "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to.." |
| 23:41.17 | enouf | tiyowan you could also try passing the kernel the "rootdelay=20" option (the 20 == NN seconds) |
| 23:41.21 | enouf | er.. gone |
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| 23:42.02 | enouf | adb: i never saw it :-/ |
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| 23:42.48 | adb | at0m: rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock , as root |
| 23:42.48 | deco | i tried to remove konqueror but it was going to remove a lot of packages, is there a way to remove konqueror with out it remove almost all of kde ? using 3.5 |
| 23:43.45 | enouf | deco: likely not ... but see whatever /msg dpkg uninstall kde says, and even /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 23:44.10 | cantido | deco: konq is used all over the place in kde, so no |
| 23:44.37 | enouf | deco: i noticed i can have konqout installed without all the rest of kde in kde4, when i attempted, but it's so horrible, i had to remove them all, dump all of kde for good .. finally |
| 23:45.11 | enouf | yes, i'm slightly biased :-[ |
| 23:45.28 | enouf | adb: good - simple - might do it :-) |
| 23:45.34 | enouf | adb: ahh |
| 23:45.38 | Blokk | abrotman: I am not sure what to do with that. I have a line in that file (/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules) that contains DRIVER="?*". What am shall I make of that? |
| 23:45.39 | enouf | er at0m ahh |
| 23:45.42 | cantido | hasn't found anything that works as well as kde 3.5 :/ |
| 23:45.48 | enouf | at0m: do what adb said |
| 23:45.56 | abrotman | Blokk: just one line ? |
| 23:46.27 | enouf | cantido: even that was slow as (&^#)(#^$ especially when rendering pages, and even switching tabs that were already loaded and cached ... what a mess |
| 23:46.34 | abrotman | Blokk: dmesg | grep -i eth .. anything show up ? |
| 23:46.38 | enouf | on a 15/2mbit line no less |
| 23:46.53 | cantido | enouf: I've found it better than firefox |
| 23:47.14 | cantido | firefox seems to be locking up a lot for me recently.. bloody flashplayer |
| 23:47.14 | enouf | cantido: reminiscent of 1994 dialup .. but much worse :-P |
| 23:47.29 | enouf | flashblock + adblock are musts |
| 23:47.33 | xshadowfire | there TMPFS_SIZE set? |
| 23:47.37 | xshadowfire | where is* |
| 23:47.39 | xshadowfire | lol brainfart |
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| 23:47.58 | cantido | enouf: my work involves flash, so there's no escape |
| 23:47.59 | enouf | xshadowfire: see /Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs |
| 23:48.27 | enouf | not sure .. might be in /etc/defaults/ .. i forget offhand |
| 23:48.40 | cantido | Is there a way of stopping kde4 reloading the previous session at login? I can't find the option anywhere |
| 23:48.57 | xshadowfire | :/ |
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| 23:49.17 | xshadowfire | # SHM_SIZE sets the maximum size (in bytes) that the /dev/shm tmpfs can use. |
| 23:49.17 | xshadowfire | # If this is not set then the size defaults to the value of TMPFS_SIZE |
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| 23:49.23 | xshadowfire | in /etc/defaults/tmpfs |
| 23:49.24 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt |
| 23:49.29 | lolufail | how can I delete directories under a specific size? I can't quite work it out :\ |
| 23:49.30 | xshadowfire | so where the hell is tmpfs_size |
| 23:49.31 | xshadowfire | :/ |
| 23:49.44 | tclarke__ | I´ve got a question about apt...is this a good place or is there a better channel? |
| 23:49.48 | nkuttler | lolufail: find + du? |
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| 23:50.15 | lolufail | and what for comparison? |
| 23:50.20 | cantido | tclarke__: if it's debian's apt you should be safe.. |
| 23:50.20 | enouf | /etc/udev/udev.conf:tmpfs_size="10M |
| 23:50.24 | Blokk | abrotman: four lines: r8169 Gigabit ... loaded, eth0: RTL..., udev renamed eth0 to eth1, driver sd needs updating |
| 23:50.32 | tclarke__ | it´s actually a two part question and it´s a little squirelly |
| 23:50.35 | xshadowfire | enouf: doesn't tell me where TMPFS_SIZE is set |
| 23:50.36 | xshadowfire | ;_; |
| 23:50.37 | nkuttler | lolufail: that's the tricky part i guess |
| 23:50.43 | enouf | xshadowfire: i just showed you |
| 23:50.54 | deco | enouf: i think i didn't explain my self right, what i tried to say was im using kde3.5 but i want to remove kongueror |
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| 23:51.01 | xshadowfire | enouf: different tmpfs_size |
| 23:51.06 | xshadowfire | case sensitivity is srsbsns |
| 23:51.09 | lolufail | nkuttler: there was some tool to tokenize on whitespaces... |
| 23:51.12 | enouf | yerp |
| 23:51.20 | cantido | deco: when you remove konq, do you want to still be able to use kde? |
| 23:51.26 | lolufail | such as echo "word1 word2 | blabla %1" would print word1 |
| 23:51.33 | lolufail | what was that? |
| 23:51.34 | nkuttler | lolufail: awk? |
| 23:51.55 | enouf | tmpfs tmpfs 252M 0 252M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 23:51.55 | tclarke__ | I´m trying to pervert apt a bit...I´m trying to use it to grab build dependencies for an app I work on but I want it to store all the dependecies, cache, package info, etc. in a non-system location so a developer can have multiple independent package environments at once |
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| 23:52.01 | ideus | Hi guys |
| 23:52.04 | xshadowfire | enouf: how much ram do you have? |
| 23:52.09 | tclarke__ | I could run it in a chroot jail but I´d rather avoid that if possible |
| 23:52.11 | tclarke__ | thoughts? |
| 23:52.30 | ideus | does anyone knows if there is a directory where the install messages of package are stored ? |
| 23:52.43 | tclarke__ | second part is related...could apt be build/run on windows? (mingw or cygwin are ok) |
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| 23:52.49 | nkuttler | ideus: install messages? |
| 23:52.53 | enouf | xshadowfire: 512M |
| 23:52.57 | xshadowfire | interesting |
| 23:53.05 | xshadowfire | it's like tmpfs_size is automatically set to 1/2 your ram |
| 23:53.05 | enouf | df -hT |
| 23:53.10 | enouf | yerp |
| 23:53.24 | adb | xshadowfire: right |
| 23:53.27 | enouf | i just rgrepped though my initrd too |
| 23:53.44 | ideus | nkuttler, sometimes when you install packages warning messages such as 'postgresql 8.1 is stilled installed run .... to update your clusters' are displayed is there a way to see it again ? |
| 23:53.54 | deco | cantido: yes of course it's my desktop of choice :P |
| 23:53.59 | xshadowfire | adb: so is there any way to set it to something else |
| 23:54.02 | xshadowfire | <_< |
| 23:54.08 | enouf | xshadowfire: you can easily setup your own tmpfs and set/use/mount that - if you want |
| 23:54.21 | xshadowfire | I guess |
| 23:54.31 | cantido | deco: I'm pretty sure kde uses konqs rendering engine all over the place.. what happens in aptitude if you mark konq for removal? |
| 23:54.34 | nkuttler | ideus: hrm, the postinst script maybe, or dpkg-reconfigure the package? |
| 23:54.36 | enouf | hence the /Documentation/... :-) |
| 23:54.53 | abrotman | Blokk: that should give you a hint |
| 23:55.28 | deco | cantido: this happened http://paste.debian.net/39613 |
| 23:55.47 | ideus | nkuttler, it doesn't show anything |
| 23:56.15 | adb | xshadowfire: cat /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 23:56.27 | xshadowfire | adb: that's for SHMFS_SIZE |
| 23:56.41 | xshadowfire | er, SHM_SIZE |
| 23:56.43 | xshadowfire | whatever |
| 23:56.49 | Blokk | abrotman: sadly it does not :) |
| 23:56.52 | xshadowfire | but whatever it's not like I boot often |
| 23:56.58 | xshadowfire | I'll just resize them every time I boot |
| 23:57.00 | xshadowfire | ..if I remember |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | Blokk: mv the 70 file aside, reboot |
| 23:57.38 | at0m | adb, enouf: did that "rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock" before, without success. Same again now. |
| 23:57.55 | adb | as root? |
| 23:58.00 | at0m | indeed |
| 23:58.13 | adb | at0m: reinstall all |
| 23:58.20 | at0m | removal was successfull, but it wasnt a solution for the dpkg problem |
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| 23:58.59 | at0m | adb: insert netinstall.iso and restart from scratch? |
| 23:59.07 | adb | yes |
| 23:59.56 | at0m | oki |