| 00:00.27 | myself | when I'm done editing something with -e, like crontab, what do i press to save it??? |
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| 00:00.32 | enouf | digitalfox: do you want perhaps to set the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL= option value? |
| 00:00.46 | TbbW | myself: Ctrl+O or Ctrl+X :) |
| 00:00.49 | digitalfox | enouf: I have that set, yes |
| 00:00.52 | TbbW | myself: just like nano |
| 00:01.07 | digitalfox | For my quad core. |
| 00:01.11 | myself | okay cool that was it, thank you |
| 00:01.20 | digitalfox | enouf: I don't see how that would affect dpkg-deb |
| 00:01.32 | digitalfox | that's only for the actual build process, no? |
| 00:01.40 | masterkernel | digitalfox: deja-vu for me. it was in one of the config files in the source folder i think... |
| 00:01.54 | digitalfox | I grepped |
| 00:02.12 | digitalfox | I didn't see any mention |
| 00:02.24 | digitalfox | okay, well, hold on maybe I'm being stupid, heh. |
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| 00:02.38 | digitalfox | I just find it odd it worked fine on my "real" system |
| 00:02.53 | digitalfox | but in the chroot it's just... seemingly doing nothing useful. |
| 00:03.00 | myself | how come when i do crontab -e it saves it when I do save it, but then when i do crontab -e again that info isn't there anymore? |
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| 00:05.21 | gasull | How do I do mount --bind /dev/null /home/jaula/dev/null in /etc/fstab? |
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| 00:05.46 | digitalfox | masterkernel: yeh, no mention in the source tree. |
| 00:05.50 | digitalfox | of 'dpkg-deb' |
| 00:06.03 | masterkernel | I'll look into it. |
| 00:06.04 | digitalfox | well, except in something that looks like documentation. |
| 00:06.19 | octoserver | what is /sbin/famd -T 0 ? |
| 00:06.33 | \amethyst | gasull: /dev/null /home/jaula/dev/null none bind 0 0 |
| 00:06.36 | digitalfox | I can't even find where in make-kpkg dpkg-deb is called, heh |
| 00:07.06 | gasull | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.15 | enouf | digitalfox: IIRC, dpkg-buildpackage can also be set to run at the same concurrency, not that that matters either atm .. |
| 00:07.31 | digitalfox | enouf: I don't think this is an issue with concurrency. |
| 00:08.03 | digitalfox | enouf: dpkg-deb probably can't run in parallel. CONCURRENCY_LEVEL as far as I know only affects the build process. |
| 00:08.08 | octoserver | anyone know what usr/sbin/famd -T 0 is ? It is sucking my cycles like a sucker |
| 00:08.43 | digitalfox | octoserver: file alternation monitor daemon |
| 00:09.13 | \amethyst | octoserver: there are a few '100% CPU' bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=fam&archive=no |
| 00:09.14 | digitalfox | the debian package is 'fam' |
| 00:09.25 | octoserver | can i tell it to desist ? |
| 00:09.31 | digitalfox | I don't know what uses it anymore. |
| 00:09.40 | digitalfox | I thought inotify had made it obsolete |
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| 00:10.00 | digitalfox | octoserver: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:10.11 | digitalfox | (and possibly more importantly, what kernel) |
| 00:10.20 | \amethyst | octoserver: try restarting the daemon /etc/init.d/fam restart |
| 00:11.15 | dalias | google is not helping. it's returning a lot of old crap |
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| 00:11.22 | octoserver | craigevil: wow, i had a bunch of stuff waiting to happen happen all at once lol |
| 00:11.31 | kanzure | hey, why doesn't apt-cache-search use colors? |
| 00:11.43 | kanzure | I mean, certain dependencies have already been retrieved, it seems obvious to color them or something |
| 00:12.04 | enouf | digitalfox: which version of kernel-package is installed - and make-kpkg version? and which Debian Release |
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| 00:13.18 | enouf | digitalfox: i don't know apply 'set -x' (to a perl script - ) nor how/if it works |
| 00:13.21 | enouf | $ file /usr/bin/make-kpkg |
| 00:13.24 | enouf | /usr/bin/make-kpkg: a /usr/bin/perl -w script text executable |
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| 00:13.36 | enouf | but that would show you when/if it's calling dpkg-deb |
| 00:13.40 | octoserver | crap, i can hear the audio in kaffiene, but i cant see the vidoee from the avi file ? |
| 00:13.50 | octoserver | i have all the gstreamer stuff installed |
| 00:14.05 | digitalfox | enouf: truth be told it's Ubuntu Jaunty. But in my experience coming here is more helpful for dealing with arcane dpkg problems. kernel-package is 11.015, dpkg-dev is 1.14.24ubuntu1 |
| 00:14.14 | octoserver | funny thing it in the aviplay program, i have video adnd no audio , crap |
| 00:14.34 | dalias | what is the fingerprint for the new key? |
| 00:14.43 | dalias | apt-get tells me the key is missign but not what key i need |
| 00:15.05 | adb | !key |
| 00:15.05 | dpkg | well, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 00:15.25 | craigevil | octoserver: doesnt kaffeine use xine |
| 00:15.42 | Tapout | enouf, changing from ext3 to xfs solved most of my issues with the IO problem. Drive must have been so fragmented. Thanks for your help the other day, iotop rocks btw :) |
| 00:16.14 | enouf | digitalfox: thing is, newer versions (like 11.xxx ) of make-kpkg have changed ... quite a bit |
| 00:16.32 | enouf | Tapout: sweet ;-) good to hear |
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| 00:17.51 | octoserver | craigevil: yea, i cant get it to work with xine either, no XVID plugin |
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| 00:18.39 | adb | !XVID |
| 00:18.39 | dpkg | somebody said xvid was a free/speech divx codec. http://www.xvid.org Get debs (current package name: libxvidcore4) from marillat. divx spelled backwards. |
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| 00:19.19 | boxxertrumps | !step |
| 00:19.24 | boxxertrumps | maybe? |
| 00:19.28 | octoserver | i have that installed, still no video output |
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| 00:19.55 | masterkernel | digitalfox: have you greped in the ./debian folder? |
| 00:20.06 | adb | !w32codecs |
| 00:20.06 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 00:20.12 | masterkernel | ls |
| 00:20.22 | masterkernel | sry wrong box :) |
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| 00:21.19 | octoserver | can xine even play xvid? |
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| 00:24.22 | octoserver | crap, aparently something in debian testing is frelled, i have no video output for my video players for any aavi that ive had for years and had no problem playing before |
| 00:25.05 | octoserver | sound, but no vid ? |
| 00:25.14 | pipeline | octoserver: what video yplayer are you using ? |
| 00:25.25 | pipeline | octoserver: do you have mplayer installed ? |
| 00:25.54 | octoserver | yea, that doesnt work either, that wont even play it, but ive used kaffeine with xine for ever with no probs |
| 00:26.02 | octoserver | i get sound but no vid now though |
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| 00:26.16 | pipeline | octoserver: ok. I just wanted to use mplayer as a debug tool. |
| 00:26.26 | octoserver | ok |
| 00:26.28 | pipeline | octoserver: I suggest you experiment with mplayer video output. Try -vo x11, -vo gl, and -vo xv |
| 00:26.41 | enouf | digitalfox: you shouldn't be asking about *buntu or any other variant in here - thank you .. please /msg dpkg ubuntu ; /msg dpkg basd on debian |
| 00:26.43 | pipeline | octoserver: if -vo x11 doesn't work, then we're in a very weird spot. |
| 00:26.56 | pipeline | octoserver: if -vo x11 works, and the other two don't, that's bad, but at least it's um... troubleshootable. |
| 00:26.57 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what do I need for my future email server? do I need some sort of spam filter software? |
| 00:27.14 | pipeline | bbelt16ag: doing your own spam filtering is a royal pain in the ass |
| 00:27.16 | enouf | -vo xv is the better usual choice, no? |
| 00:27.22 | pipeline | bbelt16ag: also, where are you going to host the server ? |
| 00:27.30 | pipeline | enouf: yes, xv is often your best choice |
| 00:27.40 | kanzure | I have made modifications to $LS_COLORS. how do I make this persistent? |
| 00:27.47 | pipeline | bbelt16ag: running an e-mail server on your home PC is pretty pointless, as consumer ISP IP blocks are often black/grey listed. |
| 00:27.56 | pipeline | kanzure: add it to ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 00:28.08 | kanzure | pipeline: I did, and I booted up an xterm and it didn't stick. |
| 00:28.19 | kanzure | pipeline: I added it to ~/.bashrc |
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| 00:28.40 | octoserver | pipeline: if i do mplayer inthe terminal i get /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8 |
| 00:28.47 | pipeline | kanzure: source ~/.bashrc |
| 00:28.55 | enouf | ouch |
| 00:28.56 | pipeline | octoserver: that's with -vo x11 ? |
| 00:29.01 | pipeline | octoserver: what happens if you try -vo null ? |
| 00:29.02 | enouf | that cat is a b**ch :-p |
| 00:29.09 | octoserver | i just tryed mplayer --help |
| 00:29.26 | pipeline | enouf: by the way, writing xv drivers fucking blows. So some graphics cards have massively better performance using GL or even straight-up X11 |
| 00:29.29 | pipeline | octoserver: oh. Crap. |
| 00:29.31 | wooj | Can anyone help me figure out why my new debian install won't autocomplete apt-get lines? (ex. sudo apt-get install em<tab> doesnt give a list of options. Meanwhile, cd Des<tab> *does* work. |
| 00:29.32 | kanzure | pipeline: nope. I did that in the console with the new color scheme, and the new color scheme is now gone. |
| 00:29.36 | enouf | octoserver: mv any ~/.mplayer/config out of the way, and try again |
| 00:29.39 | kanzure | pipeline: er, I mean to say that I did the 'source' command. |
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| 00:29.48 | pipeline | octoserver: you've fucked up something pretty good. |
| 00:29.54 | enouf | octoserver: even thought the CLI options will override the config file' |
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| 00:30.19 | pipeline | kanzure: when you set the variable, did you remember to export it ? it's not enough to set, it has to be exported to be an environment variable in child processes. |
| 00:30.25 | enouf | pipeline: yikes - X video drivers scare me ;-) |
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| 00:30.40 | pipeline | enouf: X video architecture is terrifying. And it will remain so, forever :( |
| 00:30.58 | kanzure | pipeline: yes, I exported it. |
| 00:31.14 | octoserver | mplayer -vo x11 /home/octoserver/Red.Cliff.2008.CN.DVDRip.XviD-PMCG/pmcg-rc-cd1.avi |
| 00:31.16 | kanzure | er. |
| 00:31.18 | enouf | pipeline: all this proprietary bullshit should end - AND - X should stop talking through sockets and requiring the xlib stage - .. i know, i know ... |
| 00:31.23 | pipeline | enouf: there was a project a few years ago to move to an X11 server that was purely GL based... so driver implementers would only have to make sure the GL api was implemented and that would be the end of it. All the X11 protocol extensions would be device-agnostic, implemented by an X server that speaks GL. |
| 00:31.23 | kanzure | pipeline: ok, I fixed it |
| 00:31.26 | octoserver | mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8 |
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| 00:31.44 | kanzure | pipeline: didn't do a diff on the value of the variable in the .bashrc versus what I had going in the other terminal. oops. |
| 00:31.54 | pipeline | enouf: ...but it failed for political reasons. The broad consensus is that we'll continue with labrynthine drivers forever :D |
| 00:32.11 | pipeline | octoserver: well yeah |
| 00:32.11 | enouf | pipeline: something like unichrome? ... i don't really know much about it all, but that sounds like it would've been a good move |
| 00:32.12 | pipeline | octoserver: dude |
| 00:32.16 | pipeline | octoserver: your system is hosed pretty good |
| 00:32.21 | pipeline | enouf: the project was XGL |
| 00:32.25 | pipeline | enouf: X protocol goes in, GL comes out |
| 00:32.28 | enouf | pipeline: wonderful - political bullcrap |
| 00:32.50 | pipeline | enouf: that was how the SGI X11 server worked. There were no drivers on an SGI other than the GL driver :) |
| 00:32.56 | pipeline | enouf: oh well, that boat is sailed. |
| 00:33.09 | pipeline | enouf: there were no doubt technical reasons for keeping the design we have. |
| 00:33.11 | craigevil | octoserver: did you only upgrade a few apps from stable>testing or did you do a fullupgrade |
| 00:33.16 | pipeline | enouf: I'm just not sopheisticated enough to understand them. |
| 00:33.30 | pipeline | octoserver: man up and dist-upgrade to testing :) |
| 00:33.31 | octoserver | pipeline: all i did was aptitude safe-upgrade lol |
| 00:33.32 | enouf | pipeline: me neither :-( |
| 00:33.38 | pipeline | octoserver: safe-upgrade is bad btw |
| 00:33.40 | octoserver | pipeline: i am testing |
| 00:33.45 | octoserver | all testing |
| 00:33.50 | pipeline | octoserver: you want the opposite, unsafe upgrade. dist-upgrade. |
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| 00:34.02 | octoserver | pipeline: i alredy am testing dist |
| 00:34.09 | craigevil | octoserver: safeupgrade doesnt install/remove new depends |
| 00:34.12 | octoserver | ill do it again though :) |
| 00:34.17 | pipeline | octoserver: nevertheless you shuold do a dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.21 | pipeline | octoserver: safe-upgrade is uh... safe |
| 00:34.23 | pipeline | octoserver: and that's bad |
| 00:34.27 | pipeline | octoserver: you want a dangerous upgrade |
| 00:34.30 | paulfitzpatrick | has anyone come across SSL breaking when transitioning to lenny? "Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate)" errors? |
| 00:34.35 | pipeline | octoserver: you want an upgrade that spanks your pets and fucks your girlfriend |
| 00:34.39 | octoserver | pipeline: full-upgrade right ? |
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| 00:34.48 | craigevil | either do apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:34.53 | pipeline | octoserver: I don't know what full-upgrade is. dist-upgrade is the unsafe upgrade. |
| 00:34.54 | octoserver | pipeline: as long as it doesnt screw my wife |
| 00:34.57 | pipeline | I'm behind the times |
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| 00:35.13 | octoserver | pipeline: i dont see dist-upddate for aptitde |
| 00:35.18 | lcuk | pipeline, i hope what you are saying about xv isnt quite right from a user of xv's perspective |
| 00:35.19 | octoserver | apt-get it is then? |
| 00:35.20 | pipeline | octoserver: use apt-get then |
| 00:35.29 | pipeline | lcuk: huh ? |
| 00:35.38 | lcuk | heh, i have a ui based in the xv plane |
| 00:35.41 | pipeline | octoserver: apt-get is deprecated but it will be there forever. |
| 00:35.41 | masterkernel | I just solved digitalfox's problem and he's gone. |
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| 00:35.48 | pipeline | lcuk: oh, xv is never going away dude. |
| 00:35.53 | chuckkh | adb: I don't recall if it was your suggestion or someone else's, but Lenny worked beautifully on the new laptop with the undetected sata drive |
| 00:35.59 | chuckkh | *works |
| 00:36.01 | craigevil | octoserver: either use apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade both will work |
| 00:36.06 | pipeline | lcuk: like I said projects to reform the X11 driver architecture died on the vine. The consensus going forward is the status quo forever. |
| 00:36.07 | lcuk | i know its not going away, i just hope its optimized for |
| 00:36.14 | pipeline | lcuk: it is in some drivers, it isn't in others. |
| 00:36.26 | pipeline | lcuk: on my old laptop, X11 mode was actually faster than Xv by a considerable measure. :) |
| 00:36.34 | lcuk | ahh well :) good thing my ui works like a charm on even powersave moded laptops ;) |
| 00:36.38 | pipeline | lcuk: chewed a lot of CPU, but actually watching a movie with Xv was impossible. |
| 00:36.49 | adb | chuckkh: nice to hear |
| 00:37.00 | lcuk | quick overview of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 00:37.02 | octoserver | pipeline: as long as it doesnt hose my raid or my nfs ill be ok with it :) |
| 00:37.05 | lcuk | its for handheld nokia tablets |
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| 00:37.10 | chuckkh | first time I've bought a new comp without Windows pre-installed |
| 00:37.18 | chuckkh | and so far it works like a charm |
| 00:37.22 | bbelt16ag | pipeline: well I guess it will just be for learning purposes, |
| 00:37.43 | pipeline | octoserver: oh yeah. I don't upgrade kernels very often. I'm still on 2.6.22. And I upgraded that from 2.6.8. |
| 00:37.58 | octoserver | pipeline: am dist-upgrading as we speak. |
| 00:38.28 | octoserver | pipeline: shit, what is a good terminal based irc program, dist-upgrade is removing kde lol |
| 00:38.49 | craigevil | irssi |
| 00:38.58 | pipeline | octoserver: huh ? irssi is reasonable. And it should reinstall kde if you started with it. |
| 00:39.19 | bbelt16ag | hang on... |
| 00:39.25 | octoserver | karm kaudiocreator kcoloredit kcontrol kde kde-amusements kde-core kde-devel kde-extras kdeaddons kdebase kdebase-dev kicker kicker-applets |
| 00:39.27 | octoserver | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.31 | octoserver | all being removed |
| 00:39.44 | craigevil | i am betting thats because most of it is still kde3 |
| 00:39.47 | bbelt16ag | weechat is awesome and easy to setup |
| 00:40.19 | bbelt16ag | probably and you might hate kde 4.0 and in that case its diffcult to return to 3.5 with the new distro.. right peeps? |
| 00:40.36 | octoserver | i dont see that it is installing kde4 though |
| 00:40.43 | octoserver | i dont think ill have anything |
| 00:40.53 | bbelt16ag | use gnome ) |
| 00:41.14 | masterkernel | if digitalfox gets back on, just tell him to alias dpkg-deb to dpkg-deb -z3 temporarily |
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| 00:41.51 | craigevil | octoserver: you might take a look at using smxi.org , it has a nice conversion/upgrade from kde3 to kde4 and even tries to reinstall the kde3 apps that can be reinstalled |
| 00:42.01 | octoserver | well, im glad it held back the package yelp, that should help me out a bit haha |
| 00:42.44 | octoserver | craigevil: if it installed kde4 i am fine with that, but so far i dont see it in there lol |
| 00:43.20 | octoserver | i wish tere was a way to install kde4 without having to know what the individial package named are |
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| 00:44.50 | xevz | Thinkpad-related packages and hotkey-setup are installed. |
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| 00:44.56 | octoserver | craigevil: do i need another repo to get all of the kde 4 stuff? |
| 00:45.00 | kingpin2 | I need extreme help with installing LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis |
| 00:45.05 | kingpin2 | anyone able to do that? |
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| 00:46.30 | jelly-home | kingpin2: do what, install packages? |
| 00:46.47 | \amethyst | !dmm |
| 00:46.47 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 00:46.54 | craigevil | octoserver: no it should all be in testing |
| 00:47.11 | octoserver | ok, what is it caled, kde4 ? |
| 00:47.17 | kingpin2 | Yes, basically I need those packages/stuff to be installed... for my video site. |
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| 00:47.25 | jelly-home | kingpin2: mencoder and lame are available via dmm |
| 00:47.27 | kingpin2 | I attempted but failed.. |
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| 00:48.39 | craigevil | octoserver: try kde-full |
| 00:48.40 | octoserver | its installing python-kde4 lol |
| 00:49.06 | octoserver | craigevil: ok, it is still finishing up hoseing my |
| 00:49.16 | octoserver | *me |
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| 00:50.29 | Kazuha | I think this qualifies for the classic "halp"..... |
| 00:50.44 | kingpin2 | ah please help |
| 00:50.57 | Kazuha | Somehow, all nine of my virtual desktops have merged into one. |
| 00:51.15 | Kazuha | All of the window decorations have vanished. |
| 00:51.24 | Kazuha | And all the windows have maximized. |
| 00:52.09 | Kazuha | would like a way to undo this which doesn't involve ctrl-alt-backspace. |
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| 00:53.01 | dto | Kazuha: sounds like your window manager died. |
| 00:53.02 | Kazuha | This is in FVWM. |
| 00:53.28 | Kazuha | So find one of the surviving xterms, and try to start fvwm? |
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| 00:54.18 | octoserver | craigevil: crap, i cant install all of kde4 because depends are missing :( |
| 00:54.18 | octoserver | shiznit |
| 00:54.18 | Kazuha | Thinking about it, it *does* resemble that. |
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| 00:55.48 | craigevil | octoserver: then try starting from kde-minimal and installing the apps you need after that |
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| 00:56.16 | kingpin2 | thanks for the help :-/ |
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| 00:57.15 | octoserver | craigevil: i cant install kde-full either because it needs kde-minimal and it wont install kde-minimal |
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| 00:57.31 | myself | how do i make it so i have NO crontab scripts, do i just crontab -e and delete everything? or what |
| 00:58.13 | octoserver | craigevil: and that is becasue i cant install kdebase. i think they have a circular problem here lol |
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| 00:59.00 | octoserver | craigevil: there must be a repo im missing ? |
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| 00:59.09 | octoserver | is there a kde4 debian room ? |
| 00:59.36 | Kazuha | Nope. fvwm complains about 'another WM running'. |
| 00:59.39 | dondelelcaro | myself: for your user, yes. |
| 00:59.58 | dondelelcaro | octoserver: there's #debian-kde |
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| 01:00.34 | octoserver | dondelelcaro: thers 5 people in there lol |
| 01:00.43 | dondelelcaro | octoserver: on OFTC, not this network. |
| 01:00.58 | octoserver | oh , oftc ? |
| 01:01.15 | dondelelcaro | (as in irc.debian.org) |
| 01:01.29 | octoserver | oh ok cool, i have that one :) |
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| 01:05.34 | Kazuha | The odd part is that usually, if fvwm dies, for any reason; the xserver restarts. |
| 01:06.29 | Kazuha | Anyone got any suggestions before a ctrl-alt-backspace? |
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| 01:06.33 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 01:06.33 | dpkg | <o7andrew> i know, why don't you just hack me, and then we can rEaLLy chat LoL |
| 01:06.53 | enouf | oh crud ... forgot about --more-- heh |
| 01:07.14 | Kazuha | ??? |
| 01:09.03 | enouf | master_of_master: alias it? i think he had an issue with dpkg-deb not accepting the -z3 option or thereabouts |
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| 01:10.06 | enouf | master_of_master: sorry, wrong nick |
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| 01:21.01 | Kazuha | ... |
| 01:21.12 | pipeline | Kazuha: if fvwm is the initial client and the x server is being run by e.g. xinit, gdm, that's expected behaviour. |
| 01:21.14 | Kazuha | Pidgin is being bloody annoying. |
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| 01:21.21 | pipeline | pidgin's job is to be annoying |
| 01:21.26 | pipeline | I've used that damn piece of software for ten years |
| 01:21.27 | pipeline | and I still hate it |
| 01:21.32 | pipeline | in fact I think I like it less now than I did in 1998 |
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| 01:22.05 | Kazuha | No I mean -- I'm having to restart it, resize the main window by 10 pixels. Then kill it again. |
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| 01:22.30 | Kazuha | It refuses to resize beyond 10-20 pixels at a time. |
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| 01:22.47 | Kazuha | And I have a 1600x1200 display. |
| 01:22.59 | Kazuha | And its doing this in the horizontal plane. |
| 01:24.40 | Kazuha | I ended up using a ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the xserver. |
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| 01:32.01 | Akuw | hi |
| 01:32.16 | rondnelly_ | hi |
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| 01:33.29 | Kazuha | That was annoying. |
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| 01:33.45 | rondnelly_ | really? >D |
| 01:33.51 | Kazuha | I lost count of how many times I had to restart <censored> Pidgin. |
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| 01:34.05 | rondnelly_ | hahaha |
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| 01:34.18 | rondnelly_ | do you use pidgin as irc client? |
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| 01:34.52 | Kazuha | I use it for IRC, AIM, MSN, and just about every other chat network I can think of. |
| 01:34.56 | deco | irssi is the irc client :-) |
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| 01:35.00 | deco | best* |
| 01:35.01 | rondnelly_ | xD |
| 01:35.06 | rondnelly_ | I use XChat |
| 01:35.14 | kingpin2 | anyone here good at managing servers? or at the linux command line |
| 01:35.16 | rondnelly_ | works n what i need it to |
| 01:35.24 | deco | kingpin2: what do you need? |
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| 01:35.27 | kingpin2 | well |
| 01:35.30 | kingpin2 | I want to make a video site |
| 01:35.32 | rondnelly_ | for MSN, i prefer using emesene *_* |
| 01:35.34 | Kazuha | IIRC, the "irrsi-features" plugin for pidgin leaked memory. |
| 01:35.40 | kingpin2 | i bought a script for $200 |
| 01:35.47 | kingpin2 | and well now im mad because it wont work |
| 01:35.54 | kingpin2 | i need LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis installed on my server |
| 01:35.58 | rondnelly_ | ohcrap |
| 01:36.01 | rondnelly_ | =o |
| 01:36.14 | Kazuha | Well, LAME is a bit of a problem. |
| 01:36.21 | rondnelly_ | =o |
| 01:36.21 | Kazuha | Its not *in* Debian. |
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| 01:36.28 | kingpin2 | and I can barely install mysql, php5, and apache2 D: |
| 01:36.28 | rondnelly_ | you will need a dedicated server, man |
| 01:36.44 | rondnelly_ | hahaha kingpin2 xD |
| 01:36.51 | rondnelly_ | "D:" i love it D: |
| 01:36.59 | rondnelly_ | finally found sb who usez it too =D |
| 01:37.07 | kingpin2 | well I have a 1gb server |
| 01:37.09 | kingpin2 | but can always up. |
| 01:37.31 | Kazuha | 1*GIGABYTE*?!? |
| 01:37.46 | rondnelly_ | OMG |
| 01:37.51 | rondnelly_ | you just can't |
| 01:37.57 | rondnelly_ | 1gb is too... |
| 01:37.59 | rondnelly_ | to... |
| 01:38.00 | rondnelly_ | too... |
| 01:38.04 | Kazuha | Tiny? |
| 01:38.10 | rondnelly_ | ya |
| 01:38.10 | rondnelly_ | xD |
| 01:38.10 | Kazuha | Microscopic? |
| 01:38.14 | rondnelly_ | ^'^ |
| 01:38.16 | kingpin2 | i'm not rich |
| 01:38.30 | kingpin2 | i dont even have a job :-/ |
| 01:38.30 | Kazuha | Do you mean RAM or disk space? |
| 01:38.30 | rondnelly_ | hey Kingping2, take a read http://www.bodhost.com/forum/tutorials-documentation/1628-how-install-ffmpeg.html |
| 01:38.35 | kingpin2 | 1gb ram |
| 01:38.42 | rondnelly_ | kingpin2, i don't even have a job |
| 01:38.46 | Kazuha | ^ |
| 01:39.05 | kingpin2 | yea and how much ram does your server have? |
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| 01:39.25 | kingpin2 | yea well I'm only 14... so excuse me if I don't have a ton of money |
| 01:39.35 | rondnelly_ | me too ^^ |
| 01:39.42 | Kazuha | And I don't know the specs of rondnelly_'s computer, but mine has 6gigs of ram, and a little under 2TB of disk space. |
| 01:39.51 | rondnelly_ | i have, actually, no money |
| 01:39.58 | rondnelly_ | omg xD |
| 01:40.05 | kingpin2 | I can actually up to 8gb anytime. |
| 01:40.08 | rondnelly_ | 1gb of ram, 60gb of disk space |
| 01:40.09 | rondnelly_ | XD |
| 01:40.27 | kingpin2 | i just need this stuff installed and a working site be4 I do |
| 01:41.13 | rondnelly_ | D: |
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| 01:41.34 | kingpin2 | do you guys know how to install LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis |
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| 01:41.57 | rondnelly_ | take a read http://www.bodhost.com/forum/tutorials-documentation/1628-how-install-ffmpeg.html [2] |
| 01:42.16 | adb | !dmm |
| 01:42.17 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 01:42.25 | deco | kingpin2: than why waste so much money a script ? |
| 01:42.55 | deco | on a script* |
| 01:43.00 | kingpin2 | because I wanted to make a video site |
| 01:43.04 | kingpin2 | i spent all my money |
| 01:43.28 | deco | bad choice , could of upgraded your system with that |
| 01:44.06 | kingpin2 | i could do that if I wanted to.. |
| 01:44.13 | kingpin2 | i can up any time |
| 01:44.20 | kingpin2 | my dad works for Slice Host |
| 01:44.25 | kingpin2 | i get free stuff from their |
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| 01:44.38 | rondnelly_ | sad |
| 01:44.59 | kingpin2 | but he doesnt know how to install LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis |
| 01:45.02 | kingpin2 | and neither do I |
| 01:45.07 | kingpin2 | do you guys?? |
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| 01:45.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:45.27 | rondnelly_ | kingpin2, i have already sent u a link, man ._. |
| 01:45.32 | rondnelly_ | night, trueDD |
| 01:45.42 | kingpin2 | i cant follow ututorials |
| 01:45.44 | Kazuha | Well, LAME isn't needed. IMO. |
| 01:45.46 | kingpin2 | i tried already |
| 01:45.51 | TrueDD | night rondnelly_ |
| 01:45.58 | Akuw | i just configure nfs |
| 01:46.04 | rondnelly_ | hm |
| 01:46.20 | Kazuha | And for the others, apt-get install <packages> |
| 01:46.29 | Akuw | i share a directory, but when i try to detele some doc, i can for permissions |
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| 01:47.04 | Akuw | my exports ----> /home/t101 192.168.1.101(ro) |
| 01:47.10 | Akuw | i change to /home/t101 192.168.1.101(rw) |
| 01:47.23 | Akuw | but, how can i restart nfs? |
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| 01:47.43 | Kvant | try: exportfs -a |
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| 01:48.12 | Kvant | or maybe -r |
| 01:48.25 | Penggu | hi all. anyone aware of problems getting audio going in deb as a vmware guest? |
| 01:48.49 | rondnelly_ | got go go, pplz ;D |
| 01:48.52 | rondnelly_ | bye o/ |
| 01:48.59 | Penggu | this is vmware server on a w******* host |
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| 01:51.20 | kingpin2 | apt-get install mencoder |
| 01:51.20 | kingpin2 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:51.20 | kingpin2 | Building dependency tree |
| 01:51.20 | kingpin2 | Reading state information... Done |
| 01:51.20 | kingpin2 | Package mencoder is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 01:51.47 | Penggu | es1371 modules are loaded. if i try to play something in kde , it doesnt complain. "mplayer" looks like its playing something, but i dont hear anything. mute's off, the hardware's 'connected', etc |
| 01:52.00 | Kazuha | thinks Kingpin2 pasted a wee bit much. |
| 01:52.11 | Penggu | looks like a right click or something type |
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| 01:52.16 | Penggu | typo |
| 01:52.23 | kingpin2 | hi |
| 01:52.44 | Penggu | hi. did you right click by accident or something? |
| 01:53.04 | kingpin2 | some of these things wont apt-get |
| 01:53.14 | Kazuha | kingpin2: Your problem is that mencoder is not available in the repositories you track. |
| 01:54.03 | kingpin2 | ERROR: Failed to find flength file |
| 01:54.30 | adb | !dmm lenny |
| 01:54.31 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 01:54.40 | Kazuha | You'll need to compile mencoder -- unless its in Unstable/Experimental. |
| 01:54.41 | adb | kingpin2: ^^ |
| 01:55.00 | adb | judd: versions mencoder |
| 01:55.00 | judd | adb: mencoder -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090508-0.0 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090613-0.0 |
| 01:55.07 | Kazuha | And I *do NOT* recommend tracking either of those repositories. |
| 01:55.11 | kingpin2 | ? |
| 01:55.16 | kingpin2 | uh ok.. |
| 01:55.24 | kingpin2 | why cant stuff be easier these days D: |
| 01:55.31 | Qew | Kazuha: why not? |
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| 01:56.15 | Kazuha | 1: He wants to run a server. |
| 01:56.15 | Kazuha | 2: Unstable is being quite upfront with its name. |
| 01:56.29 | SirTopHat_ | I just finished installing debian, and it installed grub apparently, but when I power on the laptop it goes to some intel thing about network booting, then if I press esc it sais no bootable device |
| 01:56.34 | Penggu | was runlevel 3 the non-GUI one? |
| 01:56.38 | smacnay | Which app do I need to access a nfs share on a local network? |
| 01:56.40 | Qew | oh, sorry, shows that I've been following this discussion. ;) |
| 01:57.37 | Kazuha | And the third reason: I've seen Unstable destroy an install. |
| 01:57.45 | Kazuha | Namely, mine. |
| 01:58.04 | kingpin2 | wow this is so annoying ig ive up on this site now |
| 01:58.23 | deco | kingpin2: what site? |
| 01:58.36 | kingpin2 | http://clubpenguinmedia.com |
| 01:58.45 | deco | oh |
| 01:58.55 | SirTopHat_ | gah |
| 01:59.47 | kingpin2 | what linux os |
| 02:00.13 | kingpin2 | would be compatible with: LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis |
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| 02:00.42 | Kazuha | All. |
| 02:00.49 | Kazuha | Well, *almost* all. |
| 02:01.09 | Kazuha | Just, a number of distros are likely to shun things like LAME. |
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| 02:01.29 | Kazuha | (This is because of 'potential' patent problems. (I think). |
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| 02:02.00 | Kazuha | It is relatively easy to compile and install LAME from source. |
| 02:02.03 | kingpin2 | kazuha do you know how to install LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis |
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| 02:02.39 | Kazuha | LAME you get from someplace like sourceforge, it will be the source. And then you compile it. |
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| 02:03.20 | Kazuha | Mencoder is either a name provided by another package, or its another case of: Get source, compile, install. |
| 02:03.44 | SirTopHat_ | I just finished installing debian, and it installed grub apparently, but when I power on the laptop it goes to some intel thing about network booting, then if I press esc it sais no bootable device. I used a debian netinst. I went into thei nstaller cd's recover mode but nothing is there about reinstalling grub. |
| 02:04.04 | SirTopHat_ | I know windows and debian are both on there fine |
| 02:04.17 | Qew | personally, if he's running a server with unstable, then I suppose debian-multimedia is the least of his problems. ;) |
| 02:04.19 | craigevil | kingpin2: all of those apps are in debian-multimedia.org repo and work just fine |
| 02:04.40 | kingpin2 | um |
| 02:04.42 | kingpin2 | well I tried |
| 02:04.44 | Qew | debian-multimedia is quite sane in my experience |
| 02:04.52 | kingpin2 | i did that command |
| 02:05.07 | adb | !sunday |
| 02:05.08 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 02:05.10 | kingpin2 | and apt-get install LAME MP3 Encode, Libogg, Mencoder, Flvtool2, FFmpeg ,Libvorbis >> all of that wont work |
| 02:05.28 | Qew | did you capitalis them like that? |
| 02:05.32 | Qew | capitalise |
| 02:05.58 | Kazuha | 'vim /etc/apt/sources.list' add a line that looks like another of your lines, just with the URL pointing to debian-multimedia.org. |
| 02:06.07 | kingpin2 | how |
| 02:06.13 | kingpin2 | how do I make it point |
| 02:06.26 | kingpin2 | its their already |
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| 02:07.09 | nkuttler | kingpin2: apt-cache search foo, see list, apt-get install package |
| 02:07.10 | Kazuha | Basically looking something like: |
| 02:07.10 | Kazuha | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib ? or deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt/ sid main ? |
| 02:07.59 | SirTopHat_ | really, nobody |
| 02:08.04 | Kazuha | (The latter line is a commented out line in my sources.list for WINE.) |
| 02:08.17 | kingpin2 | argh |
| 02:08.20 | kingpin2 | http://clubpenguinmedia.com/ |
| 02:08.23 | craigevil | kingpin2: so your sources.list has deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main ? then do apt-get update && apt-get install lame mencoder ffmpeg |
| 02:08.55 | kingpin2 | their thas installed |
| 02:08.59 | kingpin2 | now what about the otherthings |
| 02:09.11 | adb | SirTopHat_: fix BIOS to boot from cdrom first |
| 02:09.11 | kingpin2 | Libvorbis |
| 02:09.21 | kingpin2 | and |
| 02:09.23 | kingpin2 | Libogg |
| 02:09.44 | kingpin2 | how do I get php sheild encoder |
| 02:09.48 | kingpin2 | http://clubpenguinmedia.com |
| 02:09.49 | adb | !tell kingpin2 about search |
| 02:09.49 | kingpin2 | it says to |
| 02:10.03 | Qew | it's libvorbis and libogg (note the lack of capitals) |
| 02:10.13 | kingpin2 | i removed capitals |
| 02:10.42 | Kazuha | libogg0 and libvorbis0a -- try those. |
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| 02:10.49 | kingpin2 | i need php sheidl loaders now |
| 02:10.50 | kingpin2 | and ok |
| 02:11.00 | adb | kingpin2: added dmm to sources list ? |
| 02:11.23 | kingpin2 | those 2 thngs installed already |
| 02:11.28 | kingpin2 | i need php shield encoder |
| 02:11.28 | kingpin2 | how |
| 02:11.36 | kingpin2 | http://www.phpshield.com/loaders/ |
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| 02:13.29 | SirTopHat_ | adb I can boot from the CD fine |
| 02:13.38 | SirTopHat_ | it's booting from my HDD I can't make it do |
| 02:13.50 | Akuw | how can i restart nfs? |
| 02:13.58 | adb | /etc/init.d/nfsd restart ? |
| 02:14.14 | SirTopHat_ | boot order is hdd, cd, lan, usb |
| 02:14.20 | n3kl | nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:14.32 | adb | !nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:15.39 | kingpin2 | do you know how to |
| 02:15.50 | adb | SirTopHat_: boot in debian cdrom and enter in rescue mode , try F2 for help |
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| 02:17.07 | SirTopHat_ | I've done the installation two times already and it's 10:17 here, it takes over two hours, I can't do it again |
| 02:17.37 | SirTopHat_ | I tried the CD and nothing was there in recovery mode for putting GRUB back |
| 02:17.47 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat_: boot it into rescue mode and manually install grub |
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| 02:18.04 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat_: you also need to make sure the bootable flag for that device was selected (it normally is by default) |
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| 02:18.15 | pseubodot | left field question time: setting up tablet computers (eg. x61 tablet) are pains and tend to be very involved / time consuming. If there were a 'debian' way of simplifying the process, would it be closer to having one package with support for various vendors' tablet computers, or one package per set of vendor equipment (eg. all ibm/lenovo tablets)? |
| 02:18.48 | SirTopHat_ | that's what I mean, there's no option to install grub |
| 02:19.05 | Kazuha | One metapackage, which grabs the package that matches the computer. |
| 02:19.05 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat_: there isn't. You have to go to the command line and do it |
| 02:19.13 | SirTopHat_ | I'm not sure how to check if the bootable flag is set on the hdd |
| 02:19.16 | dondelelcaro | Kazuha: there's no way to automate that. |
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| 02:19.19 | SirTopHat_ | ok, what commands |
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| 02:19.31 | kingpin2 | i need php sheild loader |
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| 02:19.44 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat_: make sure the machine is mounted on /target; chroot /target; grub-install /path/to/root/device; and it should be ok |
| 02:20.09 | SirTopHat_ | what's path to root device? something like /dev/sda2? |
| 02:20.18 | Kazuha | dondelelcaro: /proc/ has all/most of the needed information. And lspci does much of the rest. |
| 02:20.23 | Akuw | so, everytime i change exports i have to restart nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 02:20.47 | dondelelcaro | kingpin2: http://www.phpmotionwiz.com/how-to-install-phpshield-loaders/ |
| 02:21.04 | dondelelcaro | Kazuha: not from a metapackage, there isn't. |
| 02:21.21 | n3kl | adb: has something changed regarding nfs-kernel-server that I should know about? |
| 02:21.26 | dondelelcaro | Kazuha: it would be possible to add the needed bits to parts of laptop-detect to automatically suggest installing a particular package in the installer, but you can't do it with a metapackage. |
| 02:22.06 | dondelelcaro | (since a metapackage only depends on a static set of packages; there's no trivial method to programmatically alter the set of packages that you depend on) |
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| 02:22.33 | SirTopHat_ | does getting ata1 softreset failed device not ready mean anything important |
| 02:22.40 | martian67 | 1yes |
| 02:22.48 | martian67 | it means your drive controller is probly dying |
| 02:22.59 | SirTopHat_ | I just got this laptop last year |
| 02:23.02 | Kazuha | SirTopHat_: What martian67 said. |
| 02:23.06 | kingpin2 | thanks |
| 02:23.22 | martian67 | SirTopHat_, hope you got warrenty |
| 02:23.27 | Kazuha | It could also be your controller is FUBARed, or poorly supported. |
| 02:23.31 | adb | n3kl: it seems so , but don't remember what exactly |
| 02:23.35 | SirTopHat_ | yes |
| 02:24.06 | SirTopHat_ | can't change root directory to /target: no such file or directory |
| 02:25.03 | SirTopHat_ | for "grub-install /path/to/root/device" what's the root device? /dev/sda? |
| 02:25.04 | burn_ | is there a package or a web frontend to monitor a headless box? |
| 02:25.14 | kingpin2 | where is my php extensions directory on debian server |
| 02:25.26 | Kazuha | I vaguely recall a similar error (once?) on one of my older boards. IIRC, it was caused, in part, by an ill-supported drive/controller combination. |
| 02:25.28 | octo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.57 | octo_ | kde3 kopete still does fine |
| 02:26.31 | SirTopHat_ | grub-install: command not found |
| 02:26.35 | enouf | if you mean something like webmin, see syscp |
| 02:26.57 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 02:26.58 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 02:27.24 | enouf | if grub isn't avail, you likely have LVM and /boot on lvm |
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| 02:27.46 | bzed | or /boot on md raid 5 or similar stuff |
| 02:27.52 | enouf | either move /boot partition off of lvm, or dick around with grub2 |
| 02:28.56 | SirTopHat_ | how do i know if they are on "lvm" |
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| 02:29.48 | adb | SirTopHat_: is you who installed it ? |
| 02:30.07 | kingpin2 | where is my php extensions folder in Debian> |
| 02:30.09 | burn_ | syscp is interesting, but overkill for what I am looking for. I mostly just want temp and other stats |
| 02:30.12 | enouf | you would know if you installed using LVM (logical volume manager) - dmesg, cat /proc/partitions, ls -l /dev/m* |
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| 02:30.19 | SirTopHat_ | yes |
| 02:32.18 | kingpin2 | where r the php extentions located at in Debian OS? |
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| 02:34.09 | enouf | burn_: maybe ssh in then and use something like libstatgrab6 ? |
| 02:34.14 | SirTopHat_ | gah, nw I somehow made recover mode install a new debian installation onto free space, about 400 MB |
| 02:34.25 | SirTopHat_ | when all I did was press enter on install grub |
| 02:35.40 | enouf | burn_: http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ and apt-cache search libstatgrab |
| 02:35.59 | burn_ | thanks enouf |
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| 02:40.37 | SirTopHat_ | I know my HDD is fine |
| 02:40.48 | SirTopHat_ | because when in the debian CD, all my partitions show up |
| 02:40.56 | SirTopHat_ | so it can't be the HDD |
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| 02:55.12 | iluminator101 | instead of pressing ctrl ++ all the time |
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| 03:01.31 | violin | Newbie here. There are tons of DVDs, should I get all of them if I am about to install Debian? |
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| 03:02.09 | iluminator101 | Netinstall violin |
| 03:02.10 | Ambush | violin: have you thought about a netinstall? |
| 03:02.36 | violin | Yeah, I have Internet connection |
| 03:02.37 | Kazuha | You only 'need' the first CD. |
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| 03:02.50 | Kazuha | And I said "CD". |
| 03:03.05 | Kazuha | The DVDs have more, but that isn't needed for a base install. |
| 03:03.21 | violin | I download the first CD, and then install? |
| 03:03.25 | Kazuha | (If you do use a DVD, again, the first one is the only one you need.) |
| 03:04.11 | Ambush | violin: yes |
| 03:04.11 | Ambush | violin: i would do exactly that |
| 03:04.11 | iluminator101 | well depends if you a relatively fast connection |
| 03:04.14 | Kazuha | I only have 150kbytes/sec down -- and I'd still use a minimal install. |
| 03:04.22 | violin | Can I use the first CD to install a base system without connecting to the Internet? |
| 03:04.25 | iluminator101 | Netinstall is the way to go |
| 03:04.29 | Ambush | you mean, everybody doesnt have broadband yet? :p |
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| 03:04.34 | Kazuha | Especially since I go straight to testing. |
| 03:05.23 | violin | Debian sid or Debian testing or Debian stable? |
| 03:05.39 | Kazuha | The netinst CD is even more minimal than the first CD, but its intended to have everything you need to get going. |
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| 03:06.32 | iluminator101 | debian download site is confusing...if you want squeeze make sure click netinstall testing |
| 03:06.33 | Kazuha | Testing is somewhat likely to have quirky programs in it, thus resulting in (possibly) a less stable system than "Stable". |
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| 03:07.27 | DDevine | ...duh? |
| 03:07.33 | SirTopHat_ | I get "pxe-e61 media test failure check cable" when I turn on the PC but I know my HDD is fine because debian can see my partitions |
| 03:07.34 | violin | Thank you! |
| 03:07.38 | SirTopHat_ | in thei nstaller cd |
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| 03:08.17 | Kazuha | SirTopHat_: Have you tried swapping the connector cable(s)? |
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| 03:09.21 | SirTopHat_ | i reinserted my HDD after taking it out |
| 03:09.27 | SirTopHat_ | I didn't see any cables |
| 03:09.47 | mns | How do you play a DVD from the command line ? I've got Debian/testing installed. No GNOME/KDE. |
| 03:09.52 | Kazuha | Oh yeah, laptop. |
| 03:10.19 | Kazuha | ooxine -- not sure on the command line parameters. |
| 03:10.41 | Kazuha | Er, aaxine |
| 03:11.00 | SirTopHat_ | ata1 softreset failed device not ready comes up on booting the CD |
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| 03:11.38 | Kazuha | Just out of curiosity, which version is the CD? |
| 03:12.10 | SirTopHat_ | netinst |
| 03:12.15 | Kazuha | I know a Potato CD would probably be destructive on my current hardware. |
| 03:12.37 | MadMuppet | Im trying to mount my cdrom and get a message saying cant find cdrom0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 03:12.55 | MadMuppet | I have checked the /etc/fstab and it is there |
| 03:13.03 | Kazuha | That means your optical drive isn't in fstab. |
| 03:13.17 | Kazuha | Try mounting the device, not the mountpoint. |
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| 03:13.47 | MadMuppet | Kazuha: how would I do that? |
| 03:13.52 | Kazuha | Ex: "mount /dev/hdd" |
| 03:14.03 | Kazuha | (If that's your cdrom drive.) |
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| 03:14.20 | MadMuppet | tried to do that mount /dev/hdc and got the same message |
| 03:14.49 | Kazuha | And does your fstab mention /dev/hdc ? |
| 03:15.16 | MadMuppet | yeah it has a line /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 etc |
| 03:17.01 | Kazuha | As root, "mount /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0" does that produce an error? |
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| 03:17.47 | MadMuppet | no that works |
| 03:17.58 | MadMuppet | wow |
| 03:18.18 | Kazuha | Which is 'that'? |
| 03:18.28 | iluminator101 | my mplayer does not open .m3u what plugin am i missing |
| 03:18.48 | Kazuha | .m3u=playlist. |
| 03:19.05 | iluminator101 | like streaming podcasts |
| 03:19.20 | MadMuppet | Kazuha: thanks |
| 03:19.59 | iluminator101 | like this one http://ddphackradio.org/stream.m3u |
| 03:20.06 | Kazuha | But that probably doesn't (unless your cdrom was actually hdd, and you pasted my command), help much. |
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| 03:21.45 | MadMuppet | my fstab must be wrong because the command you showed has worked twice now .. |
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| 03:22.09 | Kazuha | So, replace /dev/hdc with /dev/hdd in fstab. |
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| 03:23.06 | Kazuha | (Although that was completely random, that both our systems had the same position for the PATA optical drive.) |
| 03:23.06 | Skapare | is there a package to get a NON-smp kernel (for i686) ? |
| 03:23.06 | MadMuppet | yeah will do thanks again |
| 03:23.06 | MadMuppet | exit |
| 03:23.38 | Kazuha | Skapare, I believe that newer kernels (2.6.x series), auto-count the CPUs. |
| 03:23.59 | Kazuha | And can handle mono-core, and multi-core chips. |
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| 03:24.44 | Skapare | Kazuha: I have a single core CPU but the kernel gets stuck and I've tracked it down to it thinks it needs to wait for the other CPU |
| 03:24.58 | Kazuha | That's weird. |
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| 03:25.12 | Skapare | that's why I want to try a truly non-SMP kernel |
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| 03:25.27 | Skapare | so that there's none of that SMP locking code present at all |
| 03:25.45 | Kazuha | Hmmm, well there might be an i386 kernel. |
| 03:25.57 | cabrey | is pulseaudio installed in the default gnome install? |
| 03:26.05 | Skapare | there is one for i486 |
| 03:26.30 | Kazuha | Also, is this an x86 or an AMD64 arch? |
| 03:26.55 | Kazuha | (Basically, 32bit, or 64bit.) |
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| 03:27.30 | Skapare | i686 |
| 03:27.53 | Skapare | [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 |
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| 03:28.53 | Rusty1 | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-08/msg01943.html FWIW Skapare |
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| 03:30.06 | Kazuha | Skapare, I don't think that answers the architecture question. |
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| 03:30.40 | Kazuha | Also, did this problem recently start? (eg, after a kernel upgrade?) |
| 03:30.41 | Skapare | Kazuha: I'm running in 32 bit mode |
| 03:30.56 | enouf | cabrey: i think not .. but you can install / remove / purge it if needed |
| 03:31.06 | Skapare | it started when the machine was installed back in March, but has been getting worse |
| 03:31.11 | Skapare | Kazuha: http://phil.ipal.org/2009-06-20-232950.dmesg |
| 03:31.14 | enouf | not sure though |
| 03:31.41 | cabrey | enouf, hmm well i'll install it if it isn't there but hopefully my volume keys will work this time :/ |
| 03:31.45 | enouf | Skapare: sounds like an IOAPIC issue |
| 03:31.59 | enouf | Skapare: or .. some HT nonsense? |
| 03:32.06 | Kazuha | IOAPIC? |
| 03:32.12 | Kazuha | What's that? |
| 03:32.15 | enouf | !apic |
| 03:32.15 | dpkg | hmm... apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 03:32.28 | enouf | and I/O apic |
| 03:32.36 | enouf | !lapic |
| 03:32.36 | dpkg | local apic. see also apic. |
| 03:32.41 | Kazuha | Ah. |
| 03:32.43 | enouf | is just Local |
| 03:33.10 | enouf | Skapare: disable HT in your BIOS if enabled? |
| 03:33.11 | Skapare | enouf: is it something I can reconfigure to fix it? or is it a hardware failure? |
| 03:33.40 | Skapare | enouf: what is HT and where might I find it (I'd have to tell someone else to do it since I am not near the machine) |
| 03:34.35 | Kazuha | HyperTransport? (At least that's the first thing that came to mind.) |
| 03:34.35 | enouf | Skapare: there are /Documention/kernel-parameters.txt options - and more .. howrever "grep flags /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 03:34.46 | Skapare | enouf: FYI: during the lockups, pings do get replied, so it is not a hard lockup ... but processes do not get run |
| 03:34.49 | enouf | HyperThreading |
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| 03:35.00 | enouf | HTT is HyperTransport Tech |
| 03:35.05 | Kazuha | So close. |
| 03:35.21 | enouf | not really - one is CPU, one is system bus :-p |
| 03:35.25 | Skapare | enouf: can you tell that HyperThreading is on from the dmesg output? |
| 03:35.53 | Kazuha | I meant close in that the first six letters match. |
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| 03:36.38 | Skapare | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm |
| 03:37.14 | enouf | Skapare: that's a 64bit CPU and no 'ht' flag |
| 03:37.18 | enouf | so no HT |
| 03:37.55 | enouf | that's actually an amd64 CPU which wouldn't have Intel's Netburst Arch shit anyway :-P |
| 03:38.30 | enouf | came late to the issue - i guess i missed info prior |
| 03:38.53 | Skapare | it's installed with a 32 bit debian and has 1G RAM so no value in having a 64 bit kernel |
| 03:39.04 | enouf | Kazuha: i was teasing anyway :-) |
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| 03:39.20 | enouf | Skapare: makes sense .. |
| 03:39.27 | Skapare | enouf: the dmesg shows the issue ... CPU locks up waiting or spinning for something |
| 03:39.38 | cabrey | enouf, sigh, it isn't is there a PA page in the debian wiki you know of? |
| 03:39.50 | Skapare | enouf: pings still respond so it isn't frozen hardware |
| 03:40.28 | Skapare | enouf: I was gonna try a newer kernel, but there isn't a newer one ... so I looked for a non-SMP one |
| 03:40.54 | enouf | cabrey: try irc.gnome.org .. or you want to search through EVERY pkg that the metapackage gnome or tasksel pulls in? |
| 03:41.31 | enouf | Skapare: the -486 one is non-SMP aware, AFAIK |
| 03:41.48 | enouf | and with 1GB ram or less, likely the better match |
| 03:42.03 | cabrey | enouf, actually doesn't gnome 2.26 depend on PA? hmm i'll go check out their irc and see |
| 03:42.10 | Skapare | enouf: also, the working process at the time it locks up seems to be random ... things that run more often are affected more often |
| 03:42.28 | enouf | Skapare: as i said enouf> Skapare: there are /Documention/kernel-parameters.txt options |
| 03:43.00 | enouf | Skapare: you go play with those and read, i'll check over your dmesg - and you /msg dpkg sysrq |
| 03:43.01 | Skapare | enouf: but I'd have no idea what to choose to fix this ... not even sure what is causing it, yet |
| 03:43.08 | enouf | and start using it |
| 03:43.23 | Skapare | sysrq? |
| 03:43.45 | enouf | sounds like bad RAM or overclocking or a hardware issue .. but |
| 03:44.01 | enouf | or even a Heat issue |
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| 03:44.02 | Skapare | if it were bad ram I'd think there would eventually be corruption |
| 03:44.26 | enouf | i have no idea where you get your presumptions from - even the |
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| 03:44.41 | Kazuha | Interesting observation, Skapare's CPU has almost the same feature set as mine. |
| 03:44.47 | Skapare | this machine has run 3 months w/o any failure other than those lockups at random times, and today's power failure is the only reason it reboot recently |
| 03:44.56 | enouf | "I've tracked it down to it thinks it needs to wait for the other CPU " one |
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| 03:45.44 | Skapare | that's what I've been told by others |
| 03:45.48 | enouf | those "lockups at random times" is what we're trying to find the cause of? |
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| 03:46.21 | Skapare | yes, find cause and fix ... current suspect is SMP code being confused because it's a non SMP machine but with bad ACPI |
| 03:46.25 | Kazuha | I had one system that ran for six months, and was only shut down by a thunderstorm. |
| 03:47.33 | Skapare | Kazuha: a machine I installed at a former employer ran for 10 years straight w/o a reboot ... powered off last week because that employer went bankrupt :) |
| 03:48.17 | Kazuha | 's first suspect for Skapare's problem: Overclocked CPU, or RAM. |
| 03:48.46 | Skapare | Kazuha: wouldn't that be a cause of data corruption? |
| 03:49.22 | Kazuha | Instability, data corruption, not that different. And overclocked chips do tend to act oddly. |
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| 03:50.34 | pipeline | err yeah you can't troubleshoot anything on an overclocked machine |
| 03:50.38 | pipeline | too many unpredictable items |
| 03:50.44 | Skapare | Kazuha: any way to tell what speed the CPU should be running at? ... dmesg shows: Detected 1994.339 MHz processor. |
| 03:50.51 | enouf | Skapare: using any suspend/resume/powernowd/hibernate stuff? |
| 03:51.05 | Kazuha | Other than opening the case and looking at the CPU? |
| 03:51.14 | Skapare | enouf: not that I am aware of ... what can I look at to check? |
| 03:51.21 | Kazuha | Checking the model name. |
| 03:51.28 | Kazuha | (Possibly) |
| 03:51.43 | Skapare | enouf: FYI, this is a leased dedicated root access unmanaged machine at an ISP providing dedicated hosting |
| 03:51.53 | Skapare | enouf: their people say it's a kernel problem |
| 03:52.11 | enouf | [ 26.776026] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = 9373250338 ns) is what to google - but you could try booting with acpi=off and many others like pci=nommconfig to see if it helps |
| 03:52.15 | Skapare | enouf: I can't rule out a kernel problem, but I can't rule out hardware, either |
| 03:52.28 | simonrvn | Skapare: mine's been doing that in debian, not in ubuntu |
| 03:52.34 | enouf | wait - sorry |
| 03:52.45 | simonrvn | Skapare: but like you, i can't rule out h/w wither |
| 03:52.45 | enouf | look at the Time stamps of these two lines |
| 03:52.52 | enouf | [ 91.418823] warning: `ntpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use) [ 2168.388010] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 116s! [suexec:5282] |
| 03:52.54 | Skapare | simonrvn: the same lockups? |
| 03:53.01 | enouf | gah .. |
| 03:53.15 | simonrvn | Skapare: it'd lockup hard |
| 03:53.36 | simonrvn | nothing in syslog even. just boom. mouse doesn't move anymore. |
| 03:53.48 | Kazuha | ^ |
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| 03:53.51 | Skapare | simonrvn: what I see is the kernel stops dispatching processes ... BUT ... pings get answered ... so inside the kernel it's still doing stuff |
| 03:54.09 | Skapare | simonrvn: e.g. the ethernet driver and network stack can still run |
| 03:54.19 | simonrvn | not here. i think it's a kernel issue, with a h/w issue combined. |
| 03:54.20 | Kazuha | Also, that sort of thing would happen if the harddrive(s), or their controllers were failing. (depending on failure.) |
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| 03:54.51 | Skapare | simonrvn: can you have a 2nd machine ping yours continuously, and when it locks see if pings are affected? |
| 03:55.06 | simonrvn | i have 2 drives, and 3 oses on this thing. the wincrap keeps bluescreening once it loads. |
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| 03:55.41 | Skapare | enouf: the timestamps could mean there was long time between those events |
| 03:55.43 | Kazuha | That's different from how MSOS usually behaves, how? |
| 03:55.47 | simonrvn | that's doable, but i don't have time for that right now. |
| 03:56.12 | simonrvn | Kazuha: usually - on this box - it's stable |
| 03:56.14 | Skapare | enouf: in fact I know there was because I checked dmesg right after that reboot and no lockup had happened yet |
| 03:56.33 | Skapare | enouf: or at least not one of 10 seconds or longer that would be detected by the watchdog |
| 03:56.37 | simonrvn | it's an old gigbyte boad with a k6 cpu, with a wonky acpi |
| 03:56.45 | simonrvn | giga* |
| 03:57.02 | Kazuha | Also "board". |
| 03:57.11 | simonrvn | yeh, thanks :) |
| 03:57.20 | Skapare | simonrvn: I wish ACPI had never been invented ... it seems to be the cause of many problems |
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| 03:57.56 | simonrvn | like many things, the implementation sucks; the spec needs to be good too ;). |
| 03:58.00 | Kazuha | ACPI... why can I never seem to remember what that is? (Is that power management?) |
| 03:58.15 | Skapare | enouf: there are more short lockups ... 2 to 9 seconds at a time ... just don't get detected except for a program I run that prints time every second |
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| 03:58.37 | Kazuha | Interesting.... |
| 03:59.24 | Skapare | something makes the CPU spin or freeze or something at random intervals for random times ... worst I've seen was 8 minutes |
| 03:59.26 | enouf | Skapare: i'm going to have to defer you to a kernel-dev mailing list or something - too many possibilities as i see it - i could check if itwas my box easily, but to explain them all - i can |
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| 03:59.30 | enouf | 't |
| 03:59.34 | enouf | and i might be way off anyway |
| 04:00.14 | Skapare | enouf: OK ... I'll hit the kernel dev usenet group first and maybe linuxquestions.org forum before going to the mailing list |
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| 04:00.27 | simonrvn | i was going to try building a kernel on the ubuntu side, then install that to the debian to see if it's kernel issue |
| 04:01.19 | simonrvn | but i got a mini-powwow to go go tomorrow, so i'm getting up earlier.. |
| 04:01.24 | simonrvn | go to* |
| 04:01.29 | Skapare | enouf: do you think it's worth trying the i486 kernel package? ... I assume I can install it concurrently with the existing one and switch between them easily in case it fails bad |
| 04:02.01 | Kazuha | I might try it -- but I wouldn't count on it running well. |
| 04:02.19 | Skapare | enouf: if this was a machine in front of me, a lot more I'd be willing to do because I can manually recover if such things fail ... that and inventory the BIOS settings |
| 04:02.23 | Kazuha | OTOH, I had an i686 kernel on my system when I upgraded the board to AMD64. |
| 04:02.51 | Kazuha | And the kernel didn't even blink about that change. |
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| 04:03.08 | Skapare | Kazuha: the i486 kernel from Slackware runs fine on my AMD Opteron at home |
| 04:03.55 | enouf | Skapare: i understand, who knows since you don't own the hardware? or whatever - you need a serial terminal open at all times if remote to recover from fallout ;-) |
| 04:04.46 | Skapare | enouf: yeah, I know ... I can get them to go reboot and select a different kernel from the grub menu ... but it might take a while before they can |
| 04:04.54 | Kazuha | This was a kernel for an Intel Celeron (that was four years old at the time), and I swapped to an Athlon 64 (dual core) -- and the system didn't even care. |
| 04:05.59 | Skapare | enouf: if there are any specific ideas for BIOS settings to change, I can ask them to do that ... but it has to be specific ... not "go try different stuff and see what works" |
| 04:06.14 | Kazuha | But the quite small /, coupled with the nVidia drivers not wanting to have anything to do with an AMD64 kernel on an x86 arch. |
| 04:06.28 | enouf | Skapare: i guess you could start messing with and learning how to use gdb/kgdb so you can submit bug reports to mailing lists and follow through on what info they might suggest / ask for |
| 04:06.56 | Skapare | enouf: is kgdb usable via SSH? no serial console access |
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| 04:07.23 | enouf | Skapare: i wonder what "[ 2168.388010] Pid: 5282 ..." was? |
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| 04:07.51 | enouf | is ntpdate installed as well as ntp? |
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| 04:08.00 | enouf | crap, nm - that occurs before |
| 04:08.11 | Skapare | enouf: same timestamp as the first lockup ... it's what process was running when the first lockup happened |
| 04:08.33 | Skapare | enouf: I can get you LOTS of those messages ... pretty much hits every process one time or another |
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| 04:09.12 | Skapare | enouf: maybe the bug is a bad time slew in the kernel? |
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| 04:09.57 | Skapare | will shutdown ntp for a while and see if the lockups still happen or not |
| 04:10.24 | enouf | it could be anything i'd start blacklisting all thermal{_sys}, processor, fan, k8temp, maybe even the tg3 driver :-p - something is fugly -- many other kernel boot params to try, set up a panic=NN where NN is seconds, and menu.lst with a fallback option if you want to try |
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| 04:11.36 | Skapare | OK, I'll look into those |
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| 04:12.55 | Skapare | enouf: this problem has been going on for 3 months ... has not been urgent ... but the hosting company today had some major power problems (3 power loses due to bad transfer switch) ... and I was wanting to use that as an opportunity to get them to look at the machine (as if it were a new problem caused by the power) |
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| 04:14.38 | enouf | Skapare: i'd /msg dpkg forcefsck and likely fsck all FSs, man fstab as well, see 6th field, note; / FS should be 1, all others either 0 or 2 |
| 04:18.14 | Skapare | /dev/sda2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 04:19.49 | Skapare | this is the root and only filesystem (one other partition for swap) ... so 6th field should stay 1 |
| 04:19.57 | gasull | Hi all. I created a user jaula that I want to chroot to run wine. I used its wine configuration logging in normaly in Gnome. Now I'm trying chroot /home/jaula /bin/wine .wine/drive_c/OLLYDBG.EXE and I get the error "wine: could not exec the wine loader". The only google results I find point to wine source code. What am I doing wrong? Thank you. |
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| 04:21.36 | Skapare | enouf: I'll do the forcefsck after they replace the transfer switch ... that emergency maintenance outage is coming up in the next hour |
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| 04:22.09 | Skapare | enouf: that would be a full fsck I presume |
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| 04:28.46 | Skapare | enouf: where is the module blacklist done? is that in kernel parameters? |
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| 04:35.18 | streuner__ | Skapare: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 04:39.09 | Skapare | streuner__: thanks |
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| 04:42.05 | Skapare | streuner__: will try that tomorrow when someone is near the machine ... thanks again |
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| 04:47.55 | WormFood | is anyone aware of a program that will automatically reroute addresses for which connections are dropped/interrupted? I live in China right now, and it would be nice to automatically reroute blocked addresses through my VPN to my home network (in usa), so I don't have to manually edit the routing table every time I want to go to a blocked site (I don't want to route EVERYTHING over my VPN, just the problem addresses) |
| 04:50.18 | gasull | How can I chroot as a non-root user? |
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| 04:55.08 | WormFood | gasull, make chroot suid? (I'm not suggesting that you actually do that, I'm just answering your question) |
| 04:55.37 | WormFood | you can execute chroot as a non-root user, it just won't do much for you |
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| 04:56.34 | gasull | WormFood: Thanks. I found that I can install the package schroot for doing this |
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| 04:57.11 | gasull | I didn't know that it existed and it seems a good solution. |
| 04:57.13 | WormFood | really? I wasn't aware of that package existed. |
| 04:57.20 | jonathanpoon | hey guys...I have 3-300gb hard drives thats setup to run a software raid 5. Is it possible to migrate the raid 5 to use 3-1TB Hard drives? |
| 04:58.04 | WormFood | jonathanpoon, you didn't give us the info we need to know to answer that question |
| 04:58.20 | jonathanpoon | if so, how would I do it? Would I first individually rebuild the RAID 5 by replacing 1 hard drive at a time, but have larger raid 5 partitions on the 1TB hard drive |
| 04:58.47 | WormFood | I expect it is possible to do, depending on the filesystem being used. Is it an LVM setup? |
| 04:59.19 | WormFood | but why did you only get 1TB hard drives? I just put a 1.5 in my machine |
| 04:59.30 | WormFood | you'll be upgrading that to 10TB hard drives in a few years |
| 05:00.05 | FoxBlitzz | How do I get file uploads working through PHP + Apache2? Stock configuration, a friend of mine is using Ubuntu and getting the same problem |
| 05:00.06 | jonathanpoon | WormFood, just saying 1TB for hypothetical setup |
| 05:00.10 | WormFood | ok, since nobody knows the answer to my question, I think I'll go back under my bridge, and do some work |
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| 05:00.25 | FoxBlitzz | We tried a few uploading scripts, one of which worked on a Windows system, but on Linux, the temporary file is never created |
| 05:00.48 | WormFood | FoxBlitzz, search the php web site |
| 05:00.57 | jonathanpoon | WormFood, yes, its LVM |
| 05:01.10 | WormFood | FoxBlitzz, it is most likely a permission/ownership issue |
| 05:01.32 | WormFood | is the directory where the temp file is uploaded to the same owner that the web server runs as? |
| 05:01.43 | WormFood | jonathanpoon, what filesystem? ext3? |
| 05:01.55 | jonathanpoon | let me check |
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| 05:02.22 | WormFood | jonathanpoon, you may want to consider installing your new hard drives fresh, and format them as ext4, with the extra features it supports. |
| 05:03.11 | WormFood | anyways, good luck guys, I gotta get back to work or I'll never get my project done |
| 05:03.56 | FoxBlitzz | ...Okay |
| 05:04.25 | FoxBlitzz | I tried changing upload_temp_dir |
| 05:04.32 | FoxBlitzz | And it's still trying to create the file in /tmp/ |
| 05:05.28 | jonathanpoon | WormFood, there is sensitive data on it |
| 05:05.47 | jonathanpoon | and complex setup...don't want to redo everything |
| 05:05.59 | jonathanpoon | just want more space! |
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| 05:15.24 | dondelelcaro | jonathanpoon: surely you have backups of your data? if so, bring them up to date, and switch the drives out. Alternatively, drop in an extra sata card while you bring the new drives on, or do a complex juggling act with the arrays running in degraded mode (assuming you have four sata ports) |
| 05:15.40 | dondelelcaro | of course, I wouldn't even start on the juggling act without having backed up your data |
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| 05:20.39 | jonathanpoon | dondelelcaro, yeah, I understand |
| 05:22.04 | gasull | Does anybody know why I get the error "wine: could not exec wineserver" while running this?:chroot /home/jaula /bin/wine .wine/drive_c/OLLYDBG.EXE |
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| 05:27.08 | OldMonk | anyone know how to enable the serial console in grub2? |
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| 05:31.52 | eLvis | Hi |
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| 05:32.05 | myself | !welcome | eLvis |
| 05:32.13 | myself | hehh |
| 05:32.15 | myself | wrong channel |
| 05:33.21 | eLvis | I have question |
| 05:33.28 | eLvis | bout debian |
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| 05:38.31 | TheCoffeMaker | eLvis ... good for you ;) ... bu we need to know what is your doubt to solve it :P |
| 05:38.43 | eLvis | cool |
| 05:38.55 | eLvis | I want to install debian lenny |
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| 05:39.36 | eLvis | but i need minimum 2.6.27 kernel and i need the most recent xserver-video-intel |
| 05:39.46 | eLvis | what should i do ? |
| 05:39.55 | TheCoffeMaker | apt-get pinning |
| 05:40.27 | TheCoffeMaker | I meant ... you can google about apt pinning |
| 05:40.34 | eLvis | i know pinning |
| 05:40.35 | eLvis | :P |
| 05:40.38 | eLvis | but |
| 05:40.58 | eLvis | it's good to mix all the version of debian together ? |
| 05:42.08 | TheCoffeMaker | well ... depending what you are needing ... if it's very important to have a newer xorg version ... well ... I guess that you should |
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| 05:43.03 | TheCoffeMaker | you can allways use the tools to keep a cleanest setup also ... it only depends on you :P |
| 05:43.30 | eLvis | should-i not use lenny-backport ? |
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| 05:45.48 | TheCoffeMaker | ... I guess that you should only and pinning for packages that you want and keep in lenny the others ... why you need lenny instead of squeeze? |
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| 05:46.45 | TheCoffeMaker | "should only and pinning" => should only add pinning |
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| 05:49.00 | eLvis | i want a really stable system |
| 05:49.27 | eLvis | so |
| 05:49.31 | TheCoffeMaker | ok ... you need apt pinning |
| 05:49.39 | eLvis | okay |
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| 05:49.42 | eLvis | thanks you a lot |
| 05:49.46 | eLvis | i need to go |
| 05:49.50 | eLvis | bye |
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| 05:50.19 | TheCoffeMaker | that was fast |
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| 06:00.37 | Victor_md | Watch free Online TV and Radio from all over the world at http://www.soltrago.com |
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| 06:02.48 | P4C0 | hello, is there any way to change de default install directory of dh_installdocs? |
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| 06:17.59 | dondelelcaro | P4C0: for what purpose? |
| 06:18.13 | oh_noes3 | stupid question :), how do you drop a pppd connection? I'm doing pppd call $1:provider ... but I'm using kill to stop it. Is there meant to be a cleaner way? |
| 06:18.54 | P4C0 | dondelelcaro: in case that I don't want it on /usr/share/myprog/ |
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| 06:22.05 | kgoetz | oh_noes3, poff perhaps |
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| 06:23.45 | oh_noes3 | kgoetz: thanks, pon/poff did the trick. I was [wrongly] using "ppp call" etc. |
| 06:24.08 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 06:27.22 | plaur | anything about security support for squeeze? lenny was released back in february... |
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| 06:28.23 | fxiny | i wish lenny will run for years , i like long stable release cycle |
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| 06:29.06 | dererk | fxiny, As much as many system administrators :) |
| 06:29.21 | spvensko | agreed, it's nice using a linux distro that's stable |
| 06:29.26 | plaur | fxiny: for server it's great, for desktop not necessarily (even with backports) |
| 06:29.30 | spvensko | none of that ubuntu crap crashing every 3 seconds |
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| 06:30.07 | fxiny | dererk: seen ? i am a user , i can't test all goodies debian provides in a stable release lifetime :) |
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| 06:30.22 | plaur | hehe, even debian testing is much more stable than ubuntu... :) |
| 06:30.34 | dererk | I'm having some troubles to find DRAC Dell software running on Debian. had anyone face the same situation? |
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| 06:31.15 | fxiny | plaur: desktops ? i have vservers , LUKS systems , loads of incredible complicated things i can do just as a user . search apt-cache :) |
| 06:31.20 | dererk | fxiny, hahaha, *very* good one! |
| 06:31.41 | fxiny | dererk: :) |
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| 06:31.51 | neuro_damage | has anyone had issues with Nvidia card and running World of Warcraft with wine where it says 3d acceleration card not supported? |
| 06:32.39 | plaur | fxiny: i know... :) it's just that i don't need vservers at home |
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| 06:33.22 | Smis | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
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| 06:33.52 | fxiny | plaur: i said that just to show how many things a user can do , lemme get some good hardware and i will do xen , just for fun |
| 06:33.59 | DDevine | neuro_damage: What card and are you running the proprietary drivers? |
| 06:34.45 | hingwah | when try to load 32bit gtk application on 64bit debian, it failed to load theme engine since it try to load from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ instead of /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines,is there any way to make it load the one in lib32? |
| 06:34.46 | plaur | fxiny: :) |
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| 06:35.03 | fxiny | plaur: :) |
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| 06:36.10 | DDevine | neuro_damage: Go to #winehq too btw- don't ask about Wine stuff here. |
| 06:37.09 | neuro_damage | DDevine: yes I'm running the nvidia driver instead of nv and Im running nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1) |
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| 06:38.02 | DDevine | neuro_damage: Have you read the appdb entry for WoW? http://appdb.winehq.org |
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| 06:38.22 | buu | Dearest debian, where would I find good documentation for determine how and what debian does when it starts up? Like, primer level |
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| 06:40.06 | cahoot | the debian reference? |
| 06:40.55 | cahoot | buu: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html |
| 06:41.08 | neuro_damage | DDevine: yeah I'm looking at that right, I used to have gentoo on this box, and was probably using a different version of wine, but I am use those files from my gentoo install so that might be an issue ? |
| 06:41.11 | buu | cahoot: Hey, nifty. |
| 06:41.58 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
| 06:42.18 | fxiny | enouf: hey ! :)) |
| 06:42.40 | fxiny | enouf: ready for debconf ? |
| 06:44.36 | buu | cahoot: As a short cut question, what's the difference on a default install between rc2,3,4,5 ? |
| 06:45.05 | neuro_damage | here's a question I see this in my Xorg.0.log |
| 06:45.13 | neuro_damage | is there supposed to be the following line?NV-GLX |
| 06:45.15 | mesa_booger | buu: none really |
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| 06:45.25 | neuro_damage | NV-GLX, is that the Xorg driver it's refering to? |
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| 06:45.36 | buu | mesa_booger: They're just their for flexability? |
| 06:45.40 | buu | er, flexibility |
| 06:46.04 | mesa_booger | buu: compatibility really. but yeah, you can mess with them and give their own meanings |
| 06:46.05 | neuro_damage | I have Direct rendering from glxinfo and glxgears shows good, so I'm confused as to the lack of 3d acceleration support |
| 06:46.06 | fxiny | neuro_damage: i still run an old wine version on lenny . iirc is a sarge version : Installed: 0.0.20041019-1 |
| 06:46.09 | buu | "To enable service service in runlevel R create the symbolic link /etc/rcR.d/Sxyservice", what is this "sequence number xy"? |
| 06:46.37 | buu | Is it just a hack to determine run-order? |
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| 06:46.43 | martian67 | its not a hack |
| 06:46.47 | martian67 | its how runscripts work |
| 06:46.53 | buu | heh |
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| 06:47.01 | martian67 | yea i dont like it either |
| 06:47.04 | mesa_booger | buu: they start in alphabetic (and hence numeric) order. it's a way of making things run in a certain desired order |
| 06:47.04 | martian67 | BSD init for life |
| 06:47.13 | buu | mesa_booger: So the number is arbitrary? |
| 06:47.23 | buu | The docs just say "assigned when the package was installed" |
| 06:47.37 | mesa_booger | buu: pretty much |
| 06:48.08 | buu | And I had the package 'apache' installed, I used apt-get remove apache; to remove it, now dpkg -l apache lists its status as 'rc', but I still have an /etc/init.d/apache script |
| 06:48.14 | neuro_damage | fxiny: yeah I'm running wine-1.0.1 |
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| 06:48.22 | buu | Do I need to purge it to remove these scripts or what? |
| 06:48.42 | mesa_booger | buu: you want to purge packages, not just remove them, or config files get left lying around |
| 06:49.06 | buu | mesa_booger: Hrm. How does it know it's uninstalled? |
| 06:49.16 | buu | I mean, since I have this apache rc script, if I rebooted, would it launch apache? |
| 06:49.19 | mesa_booger | buu: can you stop answering your own questions while i am typing ? thx :) |
| 06:49.23 | plaur | martian67: slackware uses (used? it's been a long time) BSD init, but... no easy (unified) way to stop or restart certain services, you have to SIGHUP some, kill others... |
| 06:49.26 | fxiny | neuro_damage: i don't actually use wine , just saying you can grab an old version from the archive and check . that old version runs fine here |
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| 06:49.49 | buu | mesa_booger: =] |
| 06:49.52 | martian67 | plaur, or just kill everything |
| 06:49.54 | buu | mesa_booger: So what does apt-get remove actually do? |
| 06:49.58 | martian67 | its really not so hard |
| 06:50.04 | enouf | fxiny: debconf09?! already!@ |
| 06:50.10 | mesa_booger | buu: the script might be there, but the daemon and libraries are gone, if you removed |
| 06:50.16 | buu | hrm |
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| 06:50.56 | fxiny | enouf: what do you mean already ? every year *we* make noise in *advance* :)) |
| 06:51.06 | buu | purges |
| 06:51.26 | plaur | martian67: i know, i've been doing it during slackware days... it's just that the SysV method is a clear improvement, IMHO (not to mention tricks like dependency handling, parallel loading, etc.) |
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| 06:51.36 | mesa_booger | buu: i always purge things. makes life a lot simpler for admin. the argument that you "might want to have rubbish lying around in case you change your mind" is BS in my book. but there is an inertia in debian :) |
| 06:51.51 | martian67 | plaur, well slackware supported restart scripts |
| 06:51.55 | fxiny | enouf: i wonder what the video team will come up with this year : holograms ? :) |
| 06:52.00 | buu | # apt-get purge apache |
| 06:52.05 | martian67 | it was really a hybrid of bsd init and sysV |
| 06:52.07 | buu | Package apache is not installed, so not removed |
| 06:52.09 | plaur | martian67: but i have to admit BSD init is easier to follow when trying to debug a startup problem... :) |
| 06:52.18 | buu | mesa_booger: Zombie config files! |
| 06:52.20 | mesa_booger | buu: dpkg -P |
| 06:52.39 | plaur | martian67: i've used FreeBSD some years ago... really nice and simple... no hybrid |
| 06:52.59 | martian67 | yes i rather admire the BSD system layout |
| 06:53.13 | martian67 | its much cleaner and more concise than linux distros |
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| 06:53.21 | buu | mesa_booger: Hrm, that got rid of the init script but not /etc/apache |
| 06:53.24 | martian67 | also generally more consistent |
| 06:53.48 | oh_noes3 | how do I automatically start pon? (pppd dialer at boot, aka: "/usr/sbin/pppd call ${1:-provider}") |
| 06:54.10 | mesa_booger | buu: as a rule of thumb, use apt to install and dpkg to purge (i can hear the grumbles from the aptitude zealots even from here) |
| 06:54.45 | buu | mesa_booger: will apt figure out unecessary dependencies if I dpkg -P things? |
| 06:54.55 | fxiny | zealot ? i am just lazy , aptitude does everything fine for me :) |
| 06:55.05 | neuro_damage | DDevine: epic fail! http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6637 |
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| 06:56.19 | plaur | martian67: yes, freebsd guys do an amazing job, considering how small a team they are (or perhaps because of that :) ) |
| 06:57.39 | mesa_booger | buu: yeah. autoremove |
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| 06:58.40 | mesa_booger | buu: but watch you don't agree to uninstall your whole system. you get messages like : "your choice will uninstall your entire system. proceed ?" |
| 06:59.34 | mesa_booger | which is why -y and --force-yes and the like are Not A Good Plan |
| 06:59.52 | enouf | plaur: just to let you know, file-rc is a pkg in debian that atleast places all config in one file, and eliminates all the runlevel symlinks (/etc/rc?.d/{S,K}NNscriptname) |
| 07:00.16 | enouf | fxiny: haha ... |
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| 07:00.26 | buu | mesa_booger: Haha |
| 07:00.38 | buu | mesa_booger: Now I'm curious, what happens after you remove a system like that? |
| 07:00.49 | enouf | fxiny: well, it's just coming up so soon? when is it? where? why don't i already know :-P |
| 07:01.39 | fxiny | enouf: wt4x ! i'm googling and wt4x ! i tough was in New York but it will be in spain ! |
| 07:02.00 | enouf | fxiny: wrong continent! O_o |
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| 07:02.16 | enouf | 2010 NYC perhaps? |
| 07:02.18 | mesa_booger | buu: if you're lucky, the networking is still intact, and the downloaded debs are still in /var/cache/apt/archives, and dpkg is still there ... |
| 07:02.33 | buu | Haha |
| 07:02.34 | mesa_booger | you can install local deb files with dpkg -i |
| 07:02.57 | spvensko | i hate to sound mean by how the hell do you guys use the GNU flash replacement? |
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| 07:03.05 | spvensko | i'm trying so hard to tolerate it and it's... wow |
| 07:03.14 | fxiny | enouf: 2010 ? ok . 2009 is in extremadura , |
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| 07:04.16 | plaur | enouf: thanks, didn't know that. file-rc is evil. :-P |
| 07:04.24 | fxiny | enouf: 23 - 30 July 2009 |
| 07:04.36 | fxiny | time to check mplayer :P |
| 07:04.41 | oh_noes3 | anyone know how to enable pppd to be on at boot? at the moment i have to type 'pon' every reboot |
| 07:05.06 | enouf | plaur: hah! |
| 07:05.35 | plaur | oh_noes3: are you using dsl? if so, pppoeconf will do it for you, if you let it |
| 07:05.48 | enouf | fxiny: oh wow man .. soon then .. see, June has been like April - nothing but showers :-) |
| 07:05.49 | oh_noes3 | nope, dial up 3g connection |
| 07:06.15 | plaur | oh_noes3: that sounds expensive... :) |
| 07:06.26 | fxiny | enouf: don't tell me : it's raining since yesterday , f* governement |
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| 07:06.42 | oh_noes3 | well, works paying for it :) |
| 07:06.50 | plaur | oh_noes3: not sure about the one true debian way, but adding you command line to rc.local should work |
| 07:07.10 | oh_noes3 | theres such thing as a 'etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot' file |
| 07:07.15 | plaur | oh_noes3: s/you/your/ |
| 07:07.15 | oh_noes3 | bt i cant find any reference to it |
| 07:07.21 | oh_noes3 | do i just need to `touch` it? |
| 07:08.06 | plaur | oh_noes3: strange, rc.local should always exist as /etc/rc.local |
| 07:08.23 | spvensko | anyone here have a inspiron 13? |
| 07:08.42 | fxiny | enouf: seriously , how can they do a better streaming then last year ? we will be disappointed for sure |
| 07:09.05 | plaur | oh_noes3: it's part of the init scrips package, which you certainly have installed |
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| 07:09.19 | fxiny | enouf: so plan for your 2010 talk :) |
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| 07:09.47 | plaur | oh_noes3: i meant initscripts... what's wrong with my fingers today? :) |
| 07:10.47 | plaur | oh_noes3: no idea about ppp_on_boot, no dial-up here since 2002... :) |
| 07:10.59 | P4C0 | anyone knows if it is possible to change the default installation path that dh_installdocs use? |
| 07:11.48 | enouf | fxiny: heh .. IIRC, there were set-aside #channels for last year, which helped much, i forget if the year prior that had that |
| 07:12.09 | oh_noes3 | plaur: dont worry, found it ... http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/LinuxPPPoA/ppp_on_boot |
| 07:12.32 | plaur | oh_noes3: great |
| 07:12.55 | fxiny | enouf: yes , nice help chan last year . friendly developpers , nice ppl indeed there . nothing for the year prior |
| 07:13.09 | fxiny | enouf: i have good memories |
| 07:13.40 | enouf | fxiny: we each posted a thank you - remember!? |
| 07:13.51 | mesa_booger | i don't know what all the fuss about streaming at debconf is about. when you've been to one debconf, you've seen them all. drunken europeans yabbling on interminably about creative commons versus lgpl ... yawn yawn |
| 07:14.02 | enouf | or .. a bravo! i should say my italiano friend :-) |
| 07:14.24 | fxiny | enouf: yes ! and many ppl did the same . i think 2008 will be remembered as the "video team debconf" |
| 07:14.59 | enouf | mesa_booger: it's like sporting events - much more comfortable to watch from the comfort of my lazyboy O_O |
| 07:15.34 | fxiny | enouf: they did such an amazing jpb with low hardware , i wish lenovo will hand 'em some better hardware , is lenovo sponsoring debconf ? |
| 07:15.52 | enouf | and less costly - especially when it takes place across a few continents :-p |
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| 07:16.28 | enouf | fxiny: i dunno .. i just hope no 'sleeves up!' appearances occur!! |
| 07:16.31 | mesa_booger | enouf: google and reilly books gave free beer in '07 tho. which softened the blow somewhat |
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| 07:17.16 | enouf | mesa_booger: nice .. yes, now i recall seeing some sponsorship .. i think i recall HP? |
| 07:17.17 | fxiny | enouf: hahaha sleeves up . heheheh |
| 07:17.23 | enouf | fxiny: :-p |
| 07:17.46 | enouf | and some 7-10 or so others? |
| 07:18.09 | enouf | (or am i thinking about something else .. sigh) |
| 07:18.33 | mesa_booger | enouf: yeah there was a bit. i can't remember exactly, except that they weren't giving out free laptops. what's the point of that ? haha :) |
| 07:18.51 | enouf | mesa_booger: hehe |
| 07:19.22 | fxiny | enouf: they have that huge double screen laptop , good for video editing , i mean lenovians , are lenovo marketing ppl reacheable ? |
| 07:19.43 | mesa_booger | i've already got gadzillions of mouse mats. what i need is some free top-end kit to go with them |
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| 07:23.06 | enouf | i wouldn't mind a 80GB ipod or something - apple isn't a sponsor, are they? :-P |
| 07:23.20 | enouf | hides |
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| 07:23.54 | enouf | fxiny: double screen laptop? over/under? side-by-side? |
| 07:24.20 | enouf | fxiny: do they make an iMax version? O_o |
| 07:24.53 | fxiny | enouf: yes , that one , large hd , tons of ram . give it to the video team and bahm ! new effects ! |
| 07:25.09 | enouf | fxiny: i concur! |
| 07:26.50 | fxiny | enouf: marketing ppl should not miss this chance |
| 07:27.20 | fxiny | enouf: and we like watching debconf streaming ;) |
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| 07:28.41 | fxiny | enouf: i mean , steaming debconf is getting so techincal , is even interesting "per se" , seeing what linux can do in this field , and how debian does it |
| 07:28.57 | fxiny | streaming* |
| 07:29.37 | fxiny | instead of wasting time with eyecandy and useless daemons ... |
| 07:29.52 | fxiny | and point and click desktops ... |
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| 07:31.31 | fxiny | and is even ethic : we are talking about talks , about sharing knowledge |
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| 07:34.20 | niceuser | I dont understand your conversation |
| 07:39.12 | fxiny | niceuser: never watched debconf in your debian box ? |
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| 07:41.42 | superlinux | is there any converter better than ffmpeg? |
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| 07:43.00 | WormFood | superlinux, I like to use dd as a converter. |
| 07:43.14 | superlinux | how? |
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| 07:43.41 | superlinux | i mean a video format converter |
| 07:43.43 | WormFood | read the dd manpage....it says "convert and copy a file" |
| 07:43.54 | WormFood | ooohhhh....you didn't say you wanted to convert video |
| 07:43.59 | WormFood | that is a whole different story now |
| 07:44.00 | WormFood | :P |
| 07:44.18 | superlinux | ffmpeg is a video convertor already |
| 07:44.24 | WormFood | I know |
| 07:44.31 | WormFood | but you were not specific |
| 07:44.41 | WormFood | so I had to throw out "dd" |
| 07:45.09 | WormFood | I don't know what you are wanting to do, so I can't really offer a god suggestion |
| 07:45.23 | WormFood | there is a version of mplayer that converts |
| 07:45.27 | superlinux | WormFood: ok you are right |
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| 07:45.32 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 07:45.32 | WormFood | also handbrake is popular with some people |
| 07:45.49 | WormFood | JosefAssad, 你好 |
| 07:45.54 | gps23 | i want to start bbpager when fluxbox starts but even when i have added line bbpager& in .fluxbox/startup file, bbpager isn't starting up. someone please help in this. |
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| 07:46.02 | superlinux | then i want a video converter that does ogv to mpeg with multithreading support |
| 07:46.05 | cahoot | superlinux: what's the problem with ffmpeg? |
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| 07:46.29 | superlinux | however ffmpeg does it but it gives a flickering output |
| 07:46.41 | JosefAssad | In a recent update, I had network-manager-gnome removed according to this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg660685.html . I was using that to connect to my wireless network under fluxbox. Does anyone know what I am supposed to use instead of network-manager-gnome ? |
| 07:47.26 | JosefAssad | network-admin doesn't give me an applet and doesn't seem to want to connect to my open access point |
| 07:47.41 | superlinux | cahoot: any alternative? |
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| 07:50.10 | JosefAssad | wifi-radar, or what? |
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| 07:50.34 | cahoot | plain wpa_supplicant? |
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| 07:52.22 | JosefAssad | cahoot: I was actually hoping that when the graphical package I was using was marked as conflicts with another, that other could actually do the same job |
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| 07:52.46 | cahoot | wicd? |
| 07:53.24 | JosefAssad | cahoot: Ah, I knew I was forgetting one; thanks. In the meanwhile, wifi-radar just did the job |
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| 08:16.36 | kozio | Hello |
| 08:17.05 | kozio | my english is poor, but I need some person wich stay in debian for a long time |
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| 08:21.30 | kozio | plx resond |
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| 08:25.10 | at0m | kozio: just ask away :) |
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| 08:25.55 | kozio | but I need a serous conversation about Debian history and liux also |
| 08:26.09 | kozio | and GNE license |
| 08:26.47 | kozio | so? |
| 08:26.56 | cahoot_ | de bian.org then |
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| 08:27.03 | cahoot_ | debian.org |
| 08:27.28 | at0m | kozio: i think forums and mailing lists are more appropriate for such conversation |
| 08:27.33 | DDevine | kozio: There is most likely a mailing list or even IRC channel which is in your native language. |
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| 08:28.20 | at0m | kozio: not meaning to send you away, but it's harder to get such discussion here |
| 08:28.27 | kozio | humm... but few minutes about debian |
| 08:28.38 | cahoot | kozio: http://debian.org/social_contract |
| 08:29.31 | kozio | me know this |
| 08:29.45 | kozio | I need to speak about something different |
| 08:29.54 | at0m | then speak :) |
| 08:30.01 | kozio | ok |
| 08:30.06 | kozio | lets show y something |
| 08:30.13 | kozio | http://www.lapastillaroja.net/archives/001040.html |
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| 08:30.21 | fender0107401 | wiki |
| 08:31.39 | kozio | so can I start? |
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| 08:31.51 | at0m | you started 2 pages ago ;p |
| 08:32.02 | kozio | =D ok |
| 08:32.11 | JosefAssad | your irc client paginates? WANT |
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| 08:32.28 | at0m | JosefAssad: beginning is 2 times PgUp :> |
| 08:32.36 | eshaase | what would you guys recommend as a backup solution in Linux? |
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| 08:33.00 | at0m | eshaase: depends what you want to back up, but i use dd |
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| 08:33.08 | JosefAssad | at0m: just sign this form so I can add another notc to my pedantry records please, sir |
| 08:33.52 | plaur1 | kozio: what exactly do you have in mind? that article speaks about differences between debian and ubuntu, but claiming that ubuntu is pure marketing is exagerated |
| 08:34.17 | eshaase | at0m: just want to backup particular files |
| 08:34.17 | kozio | I read an interesting article about Ubuntu vs Debian, as y admit when Ubuntu grows up Debian waste their users |
| 08:34.23 | at0m | eshaase: dd isn't of much use for daily backups though, |
| 08:34.27 | plaur1 | eshaase: depends what your needs are |
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| 08:34.51 | myself | is there a way to get rhythmbox music player to stop searching for plugins its not going to find every time it loads |
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| 08:35.05 | eshaase | plaur1: just want to backup some files, thats all |
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| 08:35.24 | plaur1 | eshaase: for simple needs, tar will be fine; for enterprise-style stuff, bacula or amanda (others, too) will be more appropiate |
| 08:35.32 | eshaase | just wondering what you guys use, trying to research a bunch of options so i can examine them and see what works best for me |
| 08:35.38 | at0m | eshaase: you want daily incremental backups? to cd/dvd or an external/internal hd? |
| 08:35.44 | plaur1 | eshaase: i use rdiff-backup |
| 08:35.44 | eshaase | plaur1: cool, i'll take a look at those, thanks |
| 08:35.59 | eshaase | at0m: planning to use an hd |
| 08:36.04 | kozio | plaur1: anyway Ubuntu use Debian assosiation, but do y in strat of ubuntu some similar things as in start of Novell? |
| 08:36.09 | DHGE | eshaase: test rsnapshot |
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| 08:36.14 | eshaase | i'm thinking raid but that backs up a lil more than i need |
| 08:36.21 | plaur1 | eshaase: if you need something graphical, there are nice graphical clients for GNOME or KDE... look at sbackup, nice for beginners |
| 08:36.38 | eshaase | plaur1: cool |
| 08:36.39 | fxiny | eshaase: i use : tar , rsync , dd , partimage and dump/restore |
| 08:36.53 | eshaase | ok, i'll take a look at what everyone mentioned, anything else you guys think i should look into? |
| 08:36.53 | kozio | http://www.microsoft.com/latam/technet/articulos/tn/nov06-04.mspx |
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| 08:37.33 | at0m | eshaase: for specific files, a cp -pdr or cp -ax could do too... see man cp |
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| 08:37.49 | plaur1 | eshaase: RAID is NOT a backup solution (say this three times in a row :) ) |
| 08:38.17 | JosefAssad | (3 times in parallel, not serial) |
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| 08:38.45 | enouf | can it be striped chunks? |
| 08:39.07 | JosefAssad | enouf: who needs enunciation integrity. |
| 08:39.12 | plaur1 | eshaase: it can happen that the RAID matrix is corrupted beyond repair due to controller bug, or that you make a mistake that will be reliably written on all disks, equally wrong... |
| 08:39.23 | enouf | only a pedant :-p |
| 08:39.45 | plaur1 | eshaase: or that a power failure kills the entire RAID array - poof, all your data is gone |
| 08:39.48 | enouf | a mistake, like rm -r... yaknow :-P |
| 08:39.51 | eshaase | plaur1: why isn't raid a valid backup solution? |
| 08:39.57 | JosefAssad | pedants to death all! |
| 08:40.06 | plaur1 | eshaase: i'm just explining that... :) |
| 08:40.09 | eshaase | plaur1: oh, just read your last comment =) |
| 08:40.13 | JosefAssad | (or, depending on which drive, "pedants death all to!") |
| 08:40.13 | enouf | viva las luddites! |
| 08:40.52 | fxiny | sleeeves up ! |
| 08:41.04 | enouf | oh n30z! |
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| 08:41.10 | plaur1 | eshaase: my advice is to use external drives (encrypted if privacy is a concern) and incremental backups, and don't leave the drives connected |
| 08:41.12 | eshaase | plaur1: interesting, good point =) |
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| 08:42.10 | fxiny | encryption ? that's why i use dump/restore , dd is too dumb |
| 08:42.15 | eshaase | plaur1: well, i was thinking something a little more automated |
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| 08:42.29 | plaur1 | eshaase: i'd recommend at least two of them, keep on off-site (at work, or bank deposit box), do backup to both and exchange regularly, so that a fire or burglary doesn't disappear with your data, too... |
| 08:42.29 | eshaase | planing on setting up a secondary system thats going to act as a backup/server system |
| 08:42.52 | eshaase | plaur1: bank deposit box, haha, you're really serious aren't you =) |
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| 08:43.18 | plaur1 | eshaase: you can also use online backup to a web service, if you have the bandwidth (if home user, you don't :) ) |
| 08:43.21 | eshaase | plaur1: is this your existing backup scheme? |
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| 08:43.35 | enouf | doesn't trust bankers :-p |
| 08:43.39 | fxiny | heheh |
| 08:43.44 | fxiny | i knew it |
| 08:43.53 | myself | is there a way to get rhythmbox music player to stop searching for plugins its not going to find every time it loads |
| 08:43.55 | eshaase | plaur1: yeah, i considered online backup but bandwidth is an issue, plus i have a bittorrent server that i won't want to interfere with |
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| 08:44.16 | fxiny | good |
| 08:44.27 | plaur1 | eshaase: yes, except i'm too lazy to do all of that, and i currently have only one disk on-site... which is bad in case of fire or break-in |
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| 08:45.05 | fxiny | is it LUKS encrypted ? |
| 08:45.16 | plaur1 | eshaase: if having multiple computers, you might also want to take a look at a NAS |
| 08:45.42 | eshaase | i thought about a nas but didn't know how linux-friendly they were, seems like alot of them only work on windows |
| 08:46.21 | cahoot | I wonder how much really important and not replacable data a private person has (measured as bytes) |
| 08:46.28 | plaur1 | some, yes... i suppose you need to use samba if that's the case (bad for complicated unix acl) |
| 08:46.56 | plaur1 | but there are some linux-based, too... some commercial, some that you can replace the operating system |
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| 08:47.02 | eshaase | what i'm trying to do is backup my web server files, svn repos and other misc files locally and onto another system within a local network |
| 08:47.24 | plaur1 | there was an article comparing two NAS in c't, a german computer magazine... but google will help you more |
| 08:47.28 | fxiny | my data is a by product so is disposable , i care about my sustem |
| 08:48.09 | eshaase | well, a system you can always purchase, data not so much |
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| 08:49.11 | plaur1 | well, then look at a NAS... rdiff-backup or something else (many options based on rsync, eventually over ssh)... perhaps your NAS will have something nice as default solution to use |
| 08:49.17 | bacoK | hello im use debian on my vps ,, how to open fast connection for all port? |
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| 08:50.12 | DDevine | bacoK: I am not sure what you mean, can you please clarify? |
| 08:50.17 | eshaase | ok, great, thanks for all your help guys |
| 08:50.20 | eshaase | plaur1: thanks man! |
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| 08:50.31 | plaur1 | eshaase: look at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ - some people like it |
| 08:50.45 | plaur1 | eshaase: welcome :) |
| 08:51.06 | bacoK | DDevine : im install psybnc on my debian but is very2 slow to connect but after connect not slow again just for connect is very2 slowly |
| 08:51.44 | eshaase | btw, anyone have any experience with revision-based filesystems? |
| 08:52.07 | DDevine | bacoK: That is probably something to do with the processing power available for your VPS. |
| 08:52.08 | tingle | !3945ABG |
| 08:52.17 | tingle | !wireless intel |
| 08:52.27 | cahoot | !iwlwifi |
| 08:52.27 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:52.36 | tingle | ty |
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| 08:54.01 | bacoK | if i use proxy to connect is not problem i can connect very fast |
| 08:54.02 | bacoK | but |
| 08:54.13 | bacoK | if use my real ip is very2 slow to connect |
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| 08:59.03 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to install php5 in apache2? |
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| 09:00.08 | rudi_s | rhineheart_m: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 09:00.59 | rhineheart_m | what causes if this is the problem? Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:The MySQL adapter "mysql" is not available. |
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| 09:02.07 | plaur1 | rhineheart_m: did you install php5-mysql? |
| 09:02.12 | rudi_s | rhineheart_m: You have to install mysql too. |
| 09:02.29 | rhineheart_m | yeah |
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| 09:02.53 | enouf | libapache2-mod-auth-mysql and libapache2-mod-log-sql-mysql perhaps? |
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| 09:04.01 | rudi_s | It should work with only php5-mysql. I have only those installed and my mysql server works fine. |
| 09:04.11 | enouf | the former, more importantly i suppose "Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication" and did you run 'a2enmod' ? |
| 09:04.20 | plaur1 | rhineheart_m: make a simple page calling just phpinfo()... if that works, PHP 5 is installed correctly, you need to look at mysql or php5-mysql for your problems |
| 09:04.41 | enouf | oh, nm then |
| 09:04.49 | rhineheart_m | thank you guys for the assistance.. I will be back shortly after doing what you are suggesting.. |
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| 09:07.11 | gasull | Hi all. Why do I get this aptitude error?: http://dpaste.com/57824/ Thank you. |
| 09:07.13 | enouf | rhineheart_m: i'm mostly trying educated guessing, perhaps; 'apt-cache search libapache2 php5' ; followed by 'apt-cache show <pkgname>' (or use aptitude) |
| 09:07.47 | enouf | rhineheart_m: also, run an update prior to search |
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| 09:09.09 | enouf | gasull: line 25 .. particularly - the ending ;-) |
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| 09:09.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.50 | gasull | enouf: I see. I already had this problem |
| 09:10.03 | enouf | gasull: pastebin output of df -hT |
| 09:10.04 | plaur1 | gasuli: your root partition is probably full |
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| 09:11.20 | gasull | http://dpaste.com/57826/ |
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| 09:12.23 | enouf | wow - those are small partitions :-) |
| 09:12.24 | rudi_s | gasull: Yes, root is full. You could remove old kernels you are no longer using (but make sure you leave one working one). |
| 09:12.25 | doudou | Hi, can i install something like a virtualizer, folowing this constraints: there is a windows xp installed on a hdd, i want to boot from usb and be able to run a debian on the usb and switch to windows on hdd? |
| 09:12.50 | doudou | i mean switch as i want from windows to debian? |
| 09:12.58 | enouf | gasull: have a look at http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
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| 09:15.57 | fxiny | enouf: nice url |
| 09:17.00 | gasull | rudi_s: What should I remove http://dpaste.com/57828/ ? |
| 09:17.11 | gasull | is reading the Linux Partition FAQ |
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| 09:18.57 | rudi_s | Hm, nothing to remove except maybe initrmd*.bak but check if it's used first. |
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| 09:19.47 | rudi_s | Why does the Debian installer create a so small / partion by default (question to all)? I used the default and got 322M as well ... |
| 09:20.46 | gasull | rudi_s: Indeed. My partitions were made by default |
| 09:20.48 | doudou | enouf, you wrote ~karsten partition? why do want to let your system grow, why not install new one keeping data on another partition? |
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| 09:22.53 | doudou | i never use a swap partition because i have 2gb memory, i suppose it is enought, i never had problems, what should i fear? |
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| 09:24.51 | gasull | rudi_s: How do I resize encrypted partitions? |
| 09:25.01 | myself | is there a way to get rhythmbox music player to stop searching for plugins its not going to find every time it loads |
| 09:25.36 | rudi_s | gasull: Sorry, I don't know. Have the same problem myself but decided to wait till the next time I install my system because I don't want to loose my data ... |
| 09:26.06 | enouf | doudou: i wrote what? |
| 09:26.11 | gasull | rudi_s: Ok. Thanks anyway. |
| 09:26.11 | myself | rudi_s wait for what? |
| 09:26.40 | rudi_s | myself: I'm in the mood to install Debian again ^^ |
| 09:26.42 | plaur1 | gasull: if you used encrypted lvm from installer, lvm is the answer... there's an lvm howto at ldp.org |
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| 09:27.46 | enouf | doudou: please feel free to talk/email ..maybe ask for a PM with the author and inquire - i know they're open to any/all useful input - doudou many apps require some swap - it's good to have that space there .. in case, IMHO, disk space is cheap |
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| 09:28.05 | gasull | plaur1: thanks |
| 09:28.27 | plaur1 | doudou: you can also swap to a file on the windows hard-disk |
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| 09:29.27 | plaur1 | doudou: depending on waht you do with debian, you might not need one at all... it only helps for soft-landing if you have enough RAM |
| 09:29.31 | doudou | yes but i put all into a usb stick now, and boot from it, 4GB is enouth for my needs |
| 09:29.48 | enouf | doudou: i have 512M RAM installed here, and whenever i tried launching ANYTHING BLOATWARE, and i had done 'swapoff', yet up to 100M Free, (plus a few hundred in +/- buffers/cache), they'd refuse to launch ... |
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| 09:30.49 | enouf | doudou: i concede many have much more RAM, and it too is cheap (atleast DDR2 is :-P) |
| 09:31.37 | enouf | but i refuse to bend, on principle of bloatness :-p "It's a dirty job .. but someone's got to do it!" |
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| 09:32.23 | plaur1 | enouf: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory" might help... |
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| 09:33.12 | plaur1 | enouf: shamelessly copied from debian reference manual, chapter 7 (i have 512MB, too ;) ) |
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| 09:35.09 | fxiny | i had to enlarge once my encrypted home , i simply made a new one , backed it up with dump and restored with restore . faster then dd and a smaller compressd backup file |
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| 09:35.45 | enouf | plaur1: i already have set (toyed with) both the /overcommit_ things - thanks ;-) and note; vm.swappiness=10 ftw ;-) |
| 09:36.16 | plaur1 | enouf: ouch |
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| 09:36.49 | fxiny | and dump does incremental |
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| 09:37.49 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian testing,i am using nv dirvers for my Nvidia 9600M GT, they are quite good, and KDE 4.2 that i use performs better with them, incomparision to nvidia's drivers, the problem with nv drivers is ,movies dont run smoothly, i have tried kaffeine, xine , (mplayer even in full screen, runs the video in size of a small screen) |
| 09:37.54 | khaleel5000 | my xorg is here http://pastebin.com/m3aee2728 |
| 09:37.56 | sattam | hi , how do i know if the DVD or CD contain certain package ? |
| 09:37.56 | khaleel5000 | I have tried enabling glx module |
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| 09:38.02 | enouf | plaur1: lessee; vm.overcommit_ratio = 75 vm.overcommit_memory = 2 vm.swappiness = 10 |
| 09:38.48 | plaur1 | enouf: how much does that help? not teasing, just curious |
| 09:38.56 | enouf | plaur1: the '= 2' is so the kernel doesn't randomly start killing apps on me :-P |
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| 09:39.37 | enouf | plaur1: it's a balancing act - depending on which software i'm mostly using - those seem to work well for me with debian stock kernels |
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| 09:40.18 | plaur1 | enouf: does it enable to run apps that wouldn't otherwise run? or does the system swap less? |
| 09:40.36 | enouf | plaur1: i use X, but removed most anything with bloat in it, and use lightweight openbox + links2 -g mostly - but then there's iceweasel and arcoread .. etc |
| 09:41.00 | sattam | should i ask again ? |
| 09:41.03 | enouf | plaur1: it takes much more before it starts swapping |
| 09:41.09 | plaur1 | enouf: there's your problem... acroread :) |
| 09:41.15 | enouf | than it used to with defaults |
| 09:41.34 | fxiny | here it is : dump backup file is 674MB , dd is 3.4G . no words ... |
| 09:41.40 | Arcalyth | w00t! my laptop running lenny boots in 16 seconds :D |
| 09:41.47 | enouf | plaur1: haha - all othe PDF readers were slow as ... (and buggy) you know |
| 09:42.01 | fxiny | and thats / only |
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| 09:42.12 | plaur1 | enouf: i see... i run gnome here, and doesn't swap unless i do panoramas with hugin (but kernel tuning won't save me :-D) |
| 09:42.38 | enouf | plaur1: heh .. yeah, no more DEs for me ... :-p |
| 09:43.06 | enouf | fxiny: !! what about conv=noerrors,sync or something? :-p |
| 09:43.22 | plaur1 | enouf: evince isn't that bad or slow... there's an evince-gtk if you don't like gnome (or xpdf)... unless you need pdf forms or pdf-javascript ;) |
| 09:43.29 | enouf | (or does dump also do some compression?) |
| 09:43.40 | sattam | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.44 | enouf | plaur1: i must admit i haven't tried evince yet, but i've seen others complain, and i've already tried xpdf (totally unusable to me, looks like xfontsel too), kpdf, ghostscript .. and one other ?pdf thing |
| 09:45.08 | fxiny | enouf: no porbs with dump . there is one problem only resizing/destroing/ an encrypted partition : i use keys so i disabled it , made a new home key and enabled it again , i think has to do with the partition new size |
| 09:45.26 | enouf | plaur1: please - i know javascript isn;t java, but don't sour my coffee with those words! ;-) |
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| 09:45.53 | enouf | fxiny: you da man :-) no porbs! |
| 09:45.55 | plaur1 | enouf: they all use either ghostscript or xpdf libraries... if they don't render some pdfs correctly, probably evince won't, either |
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| 09:47.00 | plaur1 | enouf: i mentioned pdf-javascript because of unpatched vulnerabilities in acroread... i didn't mean bad towards your coffee :) |
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| 09:47.36 | plaur1 | enouf: and acroread is the only one implementing it, or activating it by default |
| 09:48.25 | Dr_Sunglasses | what is the package for the man pages for the standard C libraries in debian? |
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| 09:48.39 | fxiny | unpatched ? Marillat/dmm fixed it yesterday or the day before |
| 09:48.43 | plaur1 | enouf: acroread is not only closed-source, but a huge security risk, imho |
| 09:49.33 | zinx | everything from Adobe is a huge security risk :/ |
| 09:49.51 | fxiny | yeahhh atrope can be deadly :P |
| 09:49.57 | enouf | plaur1: i only mentioned it because nothing else was tolerable to me - i only read pdfs and disable all i can in preferences , so be it |
| 09:51.10 | enouf | plaur1: when on a win98 machine (and even less ram than this) with adobe reader 4.x, i could render a 1,000 page technical pdf in seconds and search through it like butter |
| 09:51.24 | plaur1 | perhaps it's patched, but that thing is hugely complex... it won't even come near my system (but again, that's just me) |
| 09:51.44 | Dr_Sunglasses | nm, i think manpages-dev is what i'm looking for |
| 09:52.06 | enouf | plaur1: on any of those other ones, kernel crashes or lockups occur, .,, or just frozen .. for what feels like years - on pdfs with 3 pages long :-P |
| 09:52.19 | plaur1 | enouf: yes, previous versions weren't that bad... it became bloated over the years |
| 09:52.45 | enouf | plaur1: and that's the one and only proprietary closed source thing i use ... so far |
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| 09:53.35 | gasull | It seems there are several encryption methods for a disk, like LVM and LUKS. I installed the one by default in Debian Lenny. That is LVM, right? |
| 09:53.36 | plaur1 | enouf: i never had a crash, especially not a kernel crash... you sure it's not hardware? like bad memory or swap partition? |
| 09:53.40 | fxiny | enouf: yeahh , i'm using the same old w98 hardware , but today i have to use the power of two magnetars just for opening a single pdf ;) |
| 09:54.17 | plaur1 | gasull: lvm and luks are different things (one of them is about disk management, the other one is encryption) |
| 09:54.20 | enouf | plaur1: yes - maybe i was using hyperbole .. or i would intentionally crash the machine out of anger - i forget now ;-) |
| 09:54.39 | gasull | plaur1: thanks |
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| 09:54.48 | enouf | plaur1: not a hardware issue, that's for certain though |
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| 09:56.26 | plaur1 | enouf: ok, i don't mean to interfere with other people's prefs, it's just that a few years ago i had _lots_ of kernel crashes (it was due to a cheapo mainboard which corrupted memory accesses... i thought it was software bugs) |
| 09:56.26 | enouf | plaur1: "... it became bloated over the years" <-- what hasn't :-P |
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| 09:56.27 | plaur1 | enouf: emacs :-P |
| 09:56.27 | enouf | haha, an OS onto itself :-p |
| 09:56.29 | enouf | hides |
| 09:57.04 | plaur1 | enouf: M-x xen-mode :-P |
| 09:57.15 | fxiny | heheeh |
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| 09:59.14 | enouf | fxiny: Deschutes bros' for life! :-p |
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| 10:01.46 | xlotlu | pidgin - yahoo fails today? |
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| 10:03.20 | plaur1 | xlotlu: not just today... yahoo changed the protocol again |
| 10:03.30 | xlotlu | June 21, 2009 By now it's no great secret that Yahoo has decided to break clients that use outdated authentication code. |
| 10:03.35 | xlotlu | yeah.. |
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| 10:03.54 | xlotlu | fails *starting today |
| 10:04.05 | __jimbo__ | anyone tell me how to update pidgin with apt-get ? |
| 10:04.10 | XMXM | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.12 | plaur1 | xlotlu: pidgin 2.6 should support the new protocol.. so wait until next debian stable... ;) |
| 10:04.54 | xlotlu | let's see scsc |
| 10:05.01 | plaur1 | xlotlu: or you can replace the server name scs.msg.yahoo.com with cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com (works for me) |
| 10:05.21 | xlotlu | plaur1: i expect a patch to trickle down to sid really soon.. if someone reports it :) |
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| 10:05.33 | plaur1 | xlotlu: found on some google search |
| 10:05.36 | xlotlu | last time they changed protocol i reported it and the maintainer applied it real quick |
| 10:05.47 | xlotlu | plaur1: see XMXM's link |
| 10:06.25 | plaur1 | xlotlu: that's harder without upstream implementing it... but i've heard that just pidgin reporting that it uses the new protocol seems to kinda work |
| 10:06.48 | __jimbo__ | when is 2.6 due to be available plaurl ? |
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| 10:07.55 | plaur1 | __jimbo__: no idea, i'm no pidgin devel |
| 10:08.06 | xlotlu | oh my the mesenger is not working, i'm so lonely on the intertubes, what oh what am i gonna do? |
| 10:08.22 | xlotlu | plaur1: the cs101 server works indeed |
| 10:08.30 | plaur1 | xlotlu: thanks... as i mentioned, cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com works for me (change it in account prefs/advanced) |
| 10:08.35 | xlotlu | __jimbo__: change the server to # cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com |
| 10:09.00 | __jimbo__ | yeah thats worked now thanks xlotlu |
| 10:09.11 | xlotlu | thank plaur1 |
| 10:09.24 | plaur1 | xlotlu: last time they changed protocol it was a couple of years ago, right? 2006 or so? |
| 10:09.26 | xlotlu | Pidgin 2.5.7 is now released and does work to connect to Yahoo. |
| 10:09.38 | xlotlu | plaur1: no, a few months ago |
| 10:09.41 | __jimbo__ | xlotlu, how many servers are available to use for yahoo |
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| 10:09.55 | __jimbo__ | is there a way to find out |
| 10:10.06 | xlotlu | __jimbo__: http://www.celticwolf.com/useful-information/faqs/26-pidgin-yahoo |
| 10:10.12 | __jimbo__ | k |
| 10:10.21 | plaur1 | xlotlu: that's good news, thanks! i guess going unstable might be worth the risk... :) |
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| 10:11.42 | xlotlu | * New upstream version - Fixes connecting to Yahoo (Closes: #533729) |
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| 10:13.22 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ...i want to install b43 Wirless card ....how can i ? |
| 10:13.25 | plaur1 | xlotlu: i'm running debian stable, you insensitive clod... :-D |
| 10:13.33 | xlotlu | :) |
| 10:13.42 | enouf | !bcm43xx |
| 10:13.43 | dpkg | [bcm43xx] the old driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux at 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy>. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 10:14.07 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: and /msg dpkg b43 |
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| 10:14.51 | __jimbo__ | which is stable lenny ? |
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| 10:15.48 | cobra-the-joker | bash: deb: command not found |
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| 10:16.51 | fxiny | xlotlu: last time i used bitlbee i got a mesage sayin that the version "will expire on August 15, 2009" |
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| 10:17.11 | xlotlu | errm? |
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| 10:17.27 | __jimbo__ | bitlbee a client ? |
| 10:17.27 | fxiny | it should work |
| 10:17.34 | fxiny | is a gw |
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| 10:17.57 | fxiny | can't fire it up now |
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| 10:18.52 | fxiny | __jimbo__: irssi --> bitlbee gw --> almost all messengers |
| 10:19.17 | fxiny | including the lamest of all : icq :P |
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| 10:20.46 | meshuggah | how can i install lenny using netisnt and WIFI ? |
| 10:21.27 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: in your irc client |
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| 10:21.54 | enouf | !installer firmware |
| 10:21.54 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 10:22.01 | enouf | meshuggah: ^^^^ |
| 10:22.24 | __jimbo__ | yeah fxiny so i can use irssi with bitlbee to chat yahoo say ? |
| 10:22.26 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 10:23.39 | fxiny | __jimbo__: yes |
| 10:23.45 | meshuggah | i will try to understand that |
| 10:24.02 | __jimbo__ | i might have a go at that fxiny |
| 10:24.04 | meshuggah | still dont know on what computer i am gonna install |
| 10:27.09 | fxiny | __jimbo__: and about yahoo next change , i remember last time bpo provided an updated version |
| 10:27.35 | __jimbo__ | yeah |
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| 10:31.48 | __jimbo__ | fxiny, you got a link on setting it up |
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| 10:34.42 | fxiny | __jimbo__: bitlbee home or http://static.quadpoint.org/bitlbee-user-guide.html |
| 10:35.31 | __jimbo__ | thanks fxiny |
| 10:36.25 | fxiny | __jimbo__: np . aptitude install it and then check /etc/inetd.conf , i use 6668 |
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| 10:36.51 | __jimbo__ | yeah you got a link to use it with yahoo too |
| 10:39.05 | tingle | good day, could someone help me with this problem --> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40389 |
| 10:39.07 | fxiny | __jimbo__: account add yahoo username <passwd> ? |
| 10:39.19 | __jimbo__ | yep |
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| 10:40.52 | cahoot | tingle: you could make it simpler for yourself by using wicd (in which case comment out all about wlan0 in interfaces) |
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| 10:42.21 | tingle | cahoot: yes i understand and thank you for help me but i would like to configure it this way.. i hope i will understand the system better this way |
| 10:43.09 | cahoot | tingle: then I'd suggest running wpa-supplicant from command line until you got a correct setup |
| 10:44.05 | __jimbo__ | fxiny, how do i get irssi to connect to localhost ? |
| 10:44.12 | __jimbo__ | bitlbee |
| 10:44.20 | tingle | cahoot: ill give it a try thanks |
| 10:44.48 | JyZyXEL | bitlbee is a brilliant idea |
| 10:44.59 | tingle | cahoot: bash: wpa-supplicant: command not found strange.. |
| 10:45.10 | fxiny | __jimbo__: double check /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf |
| 10:45.24 | __jimbo__ | k |
| 10:45.27 | fxiny | __jimbo__: should be /connect localhost 6668 ? |
| 10:45.37 | __jimbo__ | k ill try that |
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| 10:46.09 | __jimbo__ | yeah thats worked fxiny |
| 10:46.40 | fxiny | __jimbo__: tyoe help quickstart |
| 10:46.43 | tingle | cahoot: but when i check it is installed |
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| 10:47.02 | cahoot | wpa<tab><tab> |
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| 10:47.46 | tingle | cahoot: hehe ty |
| 10:48.09 | __jimbo__ | help works but quickstart dont fxiny |
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| 10:48.45 | fxiny | has been long time and i cannot fire it up to check, i have it in a vserver |
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| 10:49.01 | __jimbo__ | yeah |
| 10:49.10 | __jimbo__ | it's ok ill figure it |
| 10:49.28 | enouf | tingle: install dlocate ; update-dlocatedb ; dlocate wpa | grep doc :-) |
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| 10:49.59 | enouf | tingle: alternatively, dpkg -L <pkgname> |
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| 10:50.34 | tingle | enouf: yes i did the second one to check if it was installed |
| 10:50.59 | enouf | tingle: well, i wanted you to see/read what's in /usr/share/doc/ about it :-) |
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| 10:51.12 | tingle | ah ill try ty |
| 10:51.53 | tingle | enouf: do i need to configure wpasupplicant? |
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| 10:52.14 | fxiny | __jimbo__: register <password> , then identify <password> |
| 10:52.32 | enouf | tingle: i joined in late, i'm not sure.. .nor do i know hardly anything about WiFi and WPA |
| 10:52.39 | cahoot | tingle: you need an /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 10:53.05 | tingle | cahoot: yeah thanks i just found a website about it |
| 10:53.12 | tingle | cahoot: trying it now.. will report back :) |
| 10:53.21 | tingle | enouf: its no problem thanks for trying anyway |
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| 10:53.58 | Jessica | http://my-first-time-naked.net/?id=5562137 |
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| 10:54.37 | JyZyXEL | first time |
| 10:54.48 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 10:55.25 | cobra-the-joker | its the first time to see something like that in an IRC support channel |
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| 10:56.17 | torrentow | hi |
| 10:56.59 | torrentow | i have a problem witch compiz-fusion |
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| 10:57.47 | fxiny | first time ? wt4x ! was she born wearing a tuxedo ? :P |
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| 11:03.32 | fxiny | enouf: look at our friend ->> 13:03 < amphi> heh, deschutes mafiosi |
| 11:04.27 | enouf | fxiny: haha! .. i missed that |
| 11:04.27 | enouf | fxiny: tell her to 'move the penguin' :-p |
| 11:04.50 | enouf | fxiny: (i do not mean amphi ...ofcourse) |
| 11:04.50 | fxiny | enouf: hahahah |
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| 11:04.57 | fxiny | no ? |
| 11:05.02 | enouf | no |
| 11:05.17 | fxiny | enouf: the spammarilla girl ? |
| 11:05.21 | enouf | fxiny: fxiny> first time ? wt4x ! was she born wearing a tuxedo ? :P enouf> fxiny: tell her to 'move the penguin' :-p |
| 11:05.39 | enouf | si senor |
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| 11:05.49 | amphi | 'signor' ;) |
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| 11:06.17 | enouf | silly linguist perfectionists! :-p |
| 11:06.26 | snm | dg |
| 11:06.54 | fxiny | enouf: linguist in the Larry Wall way :P |
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| 11:07.15 | fxiny | use::sarcasm |
| 11:07.20 | snm | ïðèâ |
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| 11:07.38 | enouf | ±²³´µµµµ¶·¸¹¹ |
| 11:07.58 | amphi | !qotd12 |
| 11:07.58 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
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| 11:08.12 | enouf | hrmph .. turn that sideways, and it almost looks like a penguin O_o |
| 11:09.11 | enouf | amphi: you even have the matching qotd #'s memorized!? sheesh :-p |
| 11:09.17 | enouf | runs |
| 11:09.26 | amphi | ;) |
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| 11:10.29 | simonrvn | YHBT |
| 11:11.13 | snm | ïî ðóññêè êòî-Ãèòü áà ëà êà åò? |
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| 11:11.39 | nkuttler | !ru |
| 11:11.39 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:11.45 | nkuttler | snm: ^^ |
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| 11:12.03 | simonrvn | i don't understand badly encoded text |
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| 11:12.33 | amphi | it appears to be an attempt to render one of the names of god ;) |
| 11:12.51 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 11:12.54 | fxiny | amphi: xmonad ? |
| 11:12.56 | fxiny | hehehe |
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| 11:13.08 | amphi | ïî ðóññêè êòî-ÃÂèòü áàëàêàåò |
| 11:13.34 | fxiny | adds it to the book of mirrors |
| 11:13.48 | simonrvn | to me it just looks like a string of accented vowels |
| 11:14.10 | simonrvn | oh, and a coupla consonants |
| 11:14.17 | nkuttler | in russia, encoding understands you |
| 11:14.44 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 11:15.30 | simonrvn | i suppose i should start getting ready.. |
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| 11:17.42 | Garp | Question: is the syslinux installed on an amd64 machine able to pxe boot an i386 machine? Tahnks. |
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| 11:19.52 | simonrvn | depends |
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| 11:23.16 | Garp | simonrvn: I've an amd64 debian machine. I installed dnsmasq and di-netboot-assistant, I'm trying to install an ubuntu-i386 on another machine. DHCP requests succeed, I got PXE stuff, but my i386 nmachine freeze while displaying "Trying to load debian-installer/pxelinux.cfg/default. The file exists and in the amd64 logs I only see TFTP failed sending /var/lib/tftpboot/debian-installer/pxelinux.cfg/default to 192.168.1.118... Any suggesti |
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| 11:23.25 | HardDisk_WP | how do I search for .doc files created between 1.6.09 and 10.6.09 on commandline? |
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| 11:23.57 | jelly-home | Garp: it shouldn't matter at all which os is used on the tftp server |
| 11:24.41 | Garp | HardDisk_WP: something like find /path/where/to/look/at -name "*.doc" -ctime (or -mtime or whever, whith the right value). However, it will only hit on 'last modified' date, not creation date |
| 11:24.50 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 11:24.57 | Garp | HardDisk_WP: man find |
| 11:25.30 | Garp | HardDisk_WP: and afaik, it can only deal with dates retaive to now (eg 10 days before) not absolute dates |
| 11:25.33 | simonrvn | jelly-home, Garp: if it's the right kernel et al., no it won't matter. |
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| 11:25.55 | Garp | jelly-home: it crash before loading the menue, so befiore the installer is booted... |
| 11:26.09 | simonrvn | "menu" |
| 11:26.39 | Garp | yes, sorry |
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| 11:29.05 | Garp | Well, I'll retry whith tftpd-hpa... Maybe it will work. |
| 11:29.40 | simonrvn | the -hpa one IME works better |
| 11:29.52 | simonrvn | but this was many years ago... |
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| 11:36.22 | tingle | cahoot: i works! after i configured the wpasupplicant |
| 11:36.25 | tingle | cahoot: thanks for you help |
| 11:36.43 | cahoot | tingle: np |
| 11:37.10 | cahoot | tingle: now switch to wicd ;) |
| 11:37.48 | tingle | cahoot: haha nope i wont i think this is a elegant way of connecting ;x |
| 11:38.07 | cahoot | tingle: true - ecologically correct |
| 11:38.16 | tingle | XD |
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| 11:42.26 | person | lol look what I did: http://pastebin.com/d6b381b92 |
| 11:43.04 | person | What shall I do? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ? |
| 11:44.03 | person | I almost feel sorry for my flash drive. |
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| 11:45.06 | wald0 | !xinerama |
| 11:45.06 | dpkg | well, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
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| 11:47.57 | wald0 | is there a nvidia tool to generate a xorg.conf with xinerama ? |
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| 11:49.00 | enouf | nvidia-settings, iirc might |
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| 11:49.29 | enouf | the nvidia-xconfig pkg only alters the "Driver" option to "nvidia" from whatever it was prior, IINM |
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| 11:57.20 | oh_noes31 | Is it possible to use /etc/networking/interfaces for a ppp connection |
| 11:57.24 | oh_noes31 | even if the modem isn't connected? |
| 11:57.30 | oh_noes31 | (say, ttyUSB3) |
| 11:57.50 | oh_noes31 | I want to make it, if I plug in the USB modem, it'll connect via specific provider |
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| 11:58.59 | valan | can do that with udev oh_noes31 |
| 11:59.02 | valan | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#external-run |
| 11:59.32 | enouf | wald0: IIRC, that pkg i mentioned did add a xinerama section when i told it to save settings to xorg.conf, or whatever |
| 11:59.33 | Zambezi | Is there a special channel here for Squeeze and/or Sid? Cause I need to ask about ATI twinview which doesn't work for me i Squeeze, but it worked in Lenny. |
| 11:59.49 | enouf | twinview is nvidia only, no? |
| 12:00.01 | Zambezi | enouf: My bad. Big desktop. |
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| 12:00.33 | enouf | no special channels that i'm aware of though |
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| 12:00.41 | wald0 | enouf: thx, let me try it |
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| 12:01.11 | Zambezi | enouf: Both monitor works, but the setting to change to big desktop is disabled. |
| 12:01.15 | enouf | Zambezi: perhaps you want #fglrx ? |
| 12:01.24 | enouf | oh .. no idea |
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| 12:01.46 | Zambezi | enouf: Oh. Great. I tried #ati, but I go for #fglrx. |
| 12:01.59 | oh_noes31 | valan: thanks |
| 12:01.59 | enouf | !fglrx |
| 12:02.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:02.18 | oh_noes31 | What could use the following, if i boot with my USB modem plugged in, it creates USB0 USB1 and USB3 |
| 12:02.28 | Zambezi | enouf: Which was very empty. :-) |
| 12:02.30 | oh_noes31 | however, if I plug it in while it's up, I ALSO get USB3 |
| 12:02.46 | oh_noes31 | it's a problem, because im trying to write a udev rule which uses either USB2 or 3 |
| 12:03.04 | zinx | erh, you shouldn't be using the device numbers in your rule |
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| 12:03.12 | enouf | Zambezi: xorg 'radeon' ftw, till you know how better to debug your issues ;-) |
| 12:03.15 | zinx | use the vendor/product id |
| 12:03.34 | zinx | or the other things in /sys :/ |
| 12:03.56 | oh_noes31 | zinx: my rule doesnt use device numbers, but my ppp provider needs the device... |
| 12:04.19 | enouf | then you have your rule call a script |
| 12:04.33 | enouf | what is it RUN+== ? |
| 12:04.50 | oh_noes31 | pon provider |
| 12:04.52 | Zambezi | enouf: I did cause fglrx flashed when I'm scrolling in Iceweasel. |
| 12:04.52 | enouf | i think valan mentioned a url for it? |
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| 12:13.10 | octoserver | mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8 |
| 12:13.18 | octoserver | any idea what that is from ? |
| 12:13.36 | octoserver | i cant play any video with xine either |
| 12:13.42 | devurandom | Hello! |
| 12:13.42 | devurandom | Can I make "aptitude full-upgrade" show more details about the upgrades it will process? |
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| 12:15.34 | Raydiation | which version of php does lenny use? |
| 12:15.46 | devurandom | n/m I just found the "v" option, explained by the "?" help. |
| 12:16.46 | OpenTokix | Raydiation: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 |
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| 12:17.21 | Raydiation | OpenTokix: ty |
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| 12:17.38 | OpenTokix | Raydiation: sorry, not updated 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 |
| 12:17.45 | OpenTokix | neverming |
| 12:17.53 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 12:18.01 | OpenTokix | its the correct one, I read sideways |
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| 12:26.58 | Arafangion | Hey, could someone recommend a decent webcam recording program? (Been using 'cheese', but the recording that saves is 2x normal speed!) |
| 12:27.36 | Arafangion | At least, I swear it's 2x normal speed because I just recorded myself and I can't <censored> understand myself! (All jokes aside, could someone suggest something!) |
| 12:28.22 | cahoot | mencoder? |
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| 12:28.57 | Arafangion | Isn't that just an encoder? |
| 12:29.26 | cahoot | mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -o webcam.avi |
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| 12:30.02 | Arafangion | Does that have a gui? :( (I need to see myself sign in real time) |
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| 12:32.19 | libao | Is anybody use debian 5 in HP-Compaq 6515b NoteBook? |
| 12:32.36 | Arafangion | libao: Which debian is debian "5"? |
| 12:32.41 | Arafangion | Lenny? |
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| 12:32.50 | libao | yes |
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| 12:33.18 | Arafangion | libao: It doesn't really matter which version of debian is being used, really, what matters when it comes to hardware support is the Kernel and XOrg version. |
| 12:33.33 | Arafangion | libao: And even then, it's just teh kernel that's really important. |
| 12:33.34 | libao | My Notebook is HP-Compaq 6515b, but I can't use fingerprint in it. |
| 12:34.22 | libao | Maybe lenny isn't good enough for HP-Compaq 6515b |
| 12:34.50 | Arafangion | libao: From memory, the fingerprint scanner isn't normally setup by default, since very few people use it. |
| 12:34.58 | klbate | Is there any software available in Debian for designing 3D surfaces from segments that may be curved when setup, but which could be cut from a flat surface? |
| 12:35.19 | klbate | Basically for designing tents. |
| 12:35.24 | Arafangion | klbate: The canonical program for that, which may or may not work, is Blender. :( |
| 12:35.29 | cahoot | Arafangion: not so lucky as to have an uvcvideo cam? |
| 12:35.51 | Arafangion | klbate: You might be lucky and be able to find a CAD package, though. |
| 12:35.53 | klbate | Arafangion: Hm, yeah... I was thinking of something more CADish. |
| 12:35.54 | libao | The GNome in lenny hasn't support Fingerprint, I think. |
| 12:36.08 | Arafangion | cahoot: What do you mean? It uses v4l2. |
| 12:36.09 | cahoot | Arafangion: if so - luvcview both displays and records |
| 12:36.31 | Arafangion | cahoot: Let me give it a go then. :) |
| 12:36.35 | cahoot | Arafangion: uvcvideo i e the module that does the job |
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| 12:37.17 | wrench | Does anyone know what dependencies are required to install the ruby "sqlite" gem on Lenny? |
| 12:37.29 | libao | I have installed the fingerprint driver in HP-Compaq 6515b. In Console, lenny works well, but can't work in GUI Login. |
| 12:37.33 | wrench | I can't get it to work so far -- have installed many sqlite libs |
| 12:37.39 | Arafangion | It's a pity that 'cheese' is so insanely limited in its options. :( |
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| 12:37.58 | libao | :( |
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| 12:41.03 | libao | OpenOffice in lenny(debian 5.0.1) is so slowly, isn't it? Can I install new OpenOffice version dependently? |
| 12:41.06 | Arafangion | cahoot: The command doesn't seem to work, and the man page is greek. :( Metaphorically speaking) |
| 12:41.40 | cahoot | Arafangion: luvcview presumes a camera that uses uvcvideo |
| 12:42.01 | Arafangion | cahoot: It just somehow works automatically in all the gui programs, cheese, skype, ekiga, heck, even aMSN. |
| 12:42.29 | Arafangion | inspects luvcview |
| 12:42.44 | Arafangion | thought cahoot was talking about mencoder, somehow. |
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| 12:43.52 | Arafangion | Daaaaaaamn, the UI is baaaad! :) (But it works) |
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| 12:45.49 | Zambezi | Can anyone check this pastebin we Xorg won't restart after killing it? http://www.pastebin.ca/1468696 |
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| 12:46.24 | Zambezi | It doesn't say me anything even if the error might be clear to others. |
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| 12:47.20 | nkuttler | Zambezi: paste the whole log |
| 12:47.37 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Xorg? |
| 12:48.18 | Zambezi | nkuttler: That was output on the monitor. I had to write that on paper. Xorg.log coming soon. |
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| 12:49.53 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Is it okay if I PM you the URL? Cause it's serialnumbers on monitors etc. I can put it on a speedyshare. |
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| 12:50.38 | nkuttler | Zambezi: huh? no... |
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| 12:53.31 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Just xorg.conf or xorg.conf+Xorg.log? |
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| 12:54.00 | nkuttler | Zambezi: the log is fine |
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| 12:56.19 | Zambezi | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/f4447d476 |
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| 13:07.49 | nkuttler | Zambezi: that's the output of which command? |
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| 13:08.11 | nkuttler | Zambezi: fglrx is throwing errors, but the log looks more or less. i'd try something else than kdm.. |
| 13:08.21 | nkuttler | looks ok |
| 13:08.24 | Zambezi | nkuttler: pastebinit -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:08.52 | nkuttler | Zambezi: no, is that a startx or /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 13:09.15 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Oh, sorry. Misunderstood. Only startx. |
| 13:09.25 | nkuttler | Zambezi: and x starts then? |
| 13:09.30 | Zambezi | nkuttler: kdm are already running. |
| 13:09.38 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Yes, but not kdm. |
| 13:09.58 | nkuttler | Zambezi: looks like a kdm bug then |
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| 13:10.07 | nkuttler | Zambezi: try ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:10.16 | nkuttler | although i have no idea where kdm logs.. |
| 13:10.28 | nkuttler | is a happy xdm user |
| 13:11.43 | Zambezi | nkuttler: I'll find out about that. I used gdm, but gdm didn't find Ratpoison. I tried kdm, it worked. And aptitude install kdm ion3 gave me all dependency last time. |
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| 13:12.49 | nkuttler | Zambezi: gdm can use a normal x session as in ~/.xsession |
| 13:12.55 | Zambezi | nkuttler: I'm missing some fonts so I added 11 packages with font av got 23 so 200 MB with font. Not sure if that will do, but I give it a go. |
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| 13:13.20 | rohan | is there *any* way to mount ext4 partitions in debian lenny? |
| 13:13.51 | _Snafu_ | lo, i've got problems with librxtx-java, can anyone help? installed it with apt, but javac cant find it somehow |
| 13:16.14 | plaur | rohan: you might use your own compiled 2.6.30 kernel (or get the latest from backports, maybe they have 2.6.29) and be able to mount it, but... |
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| 13:16.48 | tdn | I have just installed Debian Lenny on a Fit-PC, but the sound is not working correctly. Sound is only coming from one speaker. I have tried almost everything in alsamixer, but the sound keeps coming from only one speaker. The speakers are not defect, it worked with Ubuntu installed before I installed Lenny. |
| 13:16.56 | tdn | How do I fix this? |
| 13:17.05 | tdn | I really hope, you can help. |
| 13:17.33 | plaur | rohan: i wouldn't, you probably need more than to mount it: how about tools like e2fsck progs that need to support it when things go wrong? |
| 13:17.48 | Zambezi | I lost connection to the repo. ^c is really not an option during installation, but during downloading? It's been freezing for minyte or two now. |
| 13:18.35 | rohan | plaur: i just need to read some data off it. it's ok even if it is mounted read only |
| 13:18.39 | Zambezi | tdn: alsaconfig something as root? |
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| 13:18.48 | rohan | and why a new kernel, wasn't there some FUSE module to read ext4? |
| 13:19.26 | plaur | well, you should be able to mount it even as ext2 or ext3: mount -o ro -t ext2 /dev/whatever /wherever |
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| 13:19.52 | rohan | plaur: no, ext4 is not mountable as ext3, once a few advanced features are enabled |
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| 13:20.12 | plaur | if it's read-only it shouldn't touch the journal or its advanced features |
| 13:20.35 | jelly-home | plaur: even mounting ro requires a journal replay. |
| 13:20.45 | rohan | plaur: i tried mounting it as read only ext2/3, but it doesn't work. says that advanced features are enabled. |
| 13:20.48 | jelly-home | plaur: (at least for ext3) |
| 13:20.52 | plaur | ouch |
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| 13:21.22 | plaur | didn't know that, sorry |
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| 13:22.06 | plaur | how about getting the latest ubuntu/fedora live cd, mounting both the ext4 stuff and your partition to restore to, and do it from there? |
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| 13:22.42 | plaur | i mean copying files... i hope you only need to do it once :-D |
| 13:24.15 | plaur | jelly-home: wait a moment, the attraction with ext3 was that you can mount it on an older 2.2 kernel that only supports ext2 (like the tomsrtbt mini-distro)... you mean this doesn't work?! |
| 13:24.38 | tdn | Zambezi, shoulw I run alsaconfig as root? |
| 13:24.58 | rohan | plaur: that was my last option |
| 13:25.08 | jelly-home | plaur: If the journal needs to be replayed. I believe so. |
| 13:25.09 | Zambezi | tdn: Yes. I think it's alsaconf. |
| 13:25.20 | violin | There are so many CDs and DVDs. Is there a page explaining what each image contains? |
| 13:25.31 | tdn | Zambezi, I just tried, it says that it is only needed if my soundcard is not supported? |
| 13:25.32 | jelly-home | plaur: and that attraction is from 2001. |
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| 13:25.37 | plaur | jelly-home: but that's only by unclean umounting, right? |
| 13:25.38 | Arafangion | violin: More packages, in decreasing order of popularity. |
| 13:25.44 | jelly-home | plaur: "only", yes |
| 13:25.59 | plaur | jelly-home: one can't always win :-D |
| 13:26.21 | jelly-home | I wouldn't exactly call usage of a kernel 2.2 winning |
| 13:26.42 | violin | I want Debian with KDE, what should I do? |
| 13:26.45 | jelly-home | my external hdd enclosure is running 2.6.15 |
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| 13:27.03 | Arafangion | remembers using 2.2 |
| 13:27.08 | jelly-home | my router is running 2.4.17 |
| 13:27.10 | plaur | jelly-home: does the enclosure have its own OS? |
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| 13:27.20 | jelly-home | plaur: yes |
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| 13:28.28 | plaur | jelly-home: not bad... there were some very low memory embedded systems running 2.2 (2.4 was already too big) |
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| 13:29.16 | plaur | besides, only 2.2 fits on a floppy together with a root filesystem and busybox... 2.4 doesn't (not that you still find floppies nowadays :) ) |
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| 13:29.32 | Arafangion | Even then, CD's are limited to 2MB. |
| 13:29.41 | Arafangion | Unless you have a dual-stage boot... |
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| 13:30.25 | tdn | Zambezi, just ran the alsaconf. Still no sound. |
| 13:30.34 | plaur | Arafangion: due to the floppy emulation in ElTorito booting, right? 2.88M floppy emulation? |
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| 13:31.14 | Arafangion | plaur: Yup, and you're correct, it's 2.88M. |
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| 13:31.34 | jelly-home | plaur: my hardware (and my employer's) mostly doesn't even have floppy drives |
| 13:32.03 | jelly-home | except virtual ones mounted via java applets |
| 13:32.09 | plaur | jelly-home: my employer's also doesn't, but my old PC does, and can't boot from USB... :( |
| 13:32.59 | plaur | wants a new PC |
| 13:33.04 | tdn | Zambezi, sound is only coming from left speaker. |
| 13:33.20 | tdn | How do I get sound to come from both speakers? Right now it only comes from left speaker. |
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| 13:34.27 | plaur | tdn: did you look in alsamixer, perhaps one speaker has a very low volume (some cards an tune them separately)? |
| 13:35.38 | plaur | tdn: double-checking those cables might also help... |
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| 13:35.45 | plaur | hides from tdn |
| 13:35.54 | nsadmin | make sure the connections are made properly, make sure the plugs are plugged in all the way |
| 13:36.26 | tdn | plaur, I have alsamixer open. What to look for? I think everything is alrgiht. I have checked cables. |
| 13:37.16 | nsadmin | has the sound ever worked properly on this machine? |
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| 13:37.27 | Zambezi | tdn: Odd. scrot on alsamixer maybe? |
| 13:37.29 | plaur | tdn: are the slider for master and pcm both equal? do you have any funky mono or stereo widget that might be set the wrong way? |
| 13:37.30 | nkuttler | tdn: check speakers, cables, output jack |
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| 13:38.00 | tdn | nsadmin, yes. I came with Ubuntu installed. Sound worked fine there. Both speakers, stereo. Then a few days ago, I installed Lenny and sound hasn't worked right. |
| 13:38.08 | tdn | Zambezi, scrot? |
| 13:38.14 | Zambezi | nkuttler: This might be a clue from Xorg.0.log? (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work |
| 13:38.29 | nsadmin | what driver? |
| 13:38.30 | plaur | tdn: what sound hardware do you have? |
| 13:38.37 | Zambezi | tdn: Screenshot from the terminal. scrot -dc 5 |
| 13:38.41 | Zambezi | nsadmin: fglrx |
| 13:38.51 | tdn | plaur, slides for master and pcm are both set to 74. If I crank both up to 100, the sound does not sound right. |
| 13:38.52 | nkuttler | Zambezi: you have a kdm problem, not xorg |
| 13:38.56 | nsadmin | that's video |
| 13:39.30 | plaur | tdn: it might also be that it's supported by the newer kernel in ubuntu, but not the one in lenny (assuming you use stable) |
| 13:39.33 | jelly-home | tdn: crank it up to 0dB instead |
| 13:39.47 | nsadmin | tdn: what hardware do you have? what driver is it using? |
| 13:40.20 | tdn | 00:0f.3 Multimedia audio controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] CS5536 [Geode companion] Audio (rev 01) |
| 13:40.32 | nsadmin | what kernel were you using in ubuntu? do you still have it? |
| 13:40.44 | tdn | plaur, Ubuntu was *way* old. Much older kernel than in Lenny. It was an old install. |
| 13:41.11 | plaur | tdn: i thought it was latest ubuntu from april... :) |
| 13:41.24 | Zambezi | nkuttler: Removing kdm won't solve this entire problem. xdm didn't start either, only if I started the daemon as root. |
| 13:41.35 | tdn | jelly-home, PCM and Master = 0.0dB now. PCM is 0dB on 74. Master is on 100. |
| 13:42.08 | tdn | nsadmin, I do not have the old Ubuntu kernel, but it was installed from official repositories, and it was Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. So I think it is 2.6.18. |
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| 13:43.31 | tdn | Zambezi, you want a screenshot of the terminal, while I'm in alsamixer? |
| 13:43.35 | plaur | tdn: do you still have the ubuntu live cd? assuming it enables sound, i'd look at the output of ubuntu's lsmod and at the alsa config they use... |
| 13:43.37 | nsadmin | maybe you ought to ask on ubuntu forums what the config process or autodetect process does for your sound |
| 13:43.52 | tdn | plaur, I can make one, but I have no cd-drive. |
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| 13:44.31 | plaur | tdn: then usb stick or whatever... just to boot from it and see if sound works properly and what they configure |
| 13:44.35 | tdn | Hey. I have an idea. I have an identical fit-PC box. Same hardware but still with Ubuntu installed. Can I check some things on that? |
| 13:45.08 | plaur | tdn: why didn't yous ay earlier? go for it! |
| 13:45.37 | tdn | plaur, I just thought of it now. It is not my machine, and I don't have root on it, but I do have a regular user account. What do I need to check on it? |
| 13:46.27 | plaur | tdn: output of lsmod at least... |
| 13:46.54 | tdn | Just checked lsb_release. IT is Ubuntu 7.10. So it is older than I thought... |
| 13:46.55 | jelly-home | tdn: uname -r, too |
| 13:47.03 | tdn | 2.6.22-16-generic |
| 13:47.09 | cahoot | and possibly its /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 13:47.12 | tdn | 00:0f.3 Multimedia audio controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] CS5536 [Geode companion] Audio (rev 01) |
| 13:47.59 | plaur | tdn: then whatever is in /etc/alsa, and /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/alsa* |
| 13:48.14 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1359.html <- asound.state |
| 13:49.09 | tdn | No /etc/alsa |
| 13:49.30 | cahoot | tdn: that's the alsamixer settings - could try reuse them on your own system |
| 13:50.00 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1360.html |
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| 13:50.02 | plaur | tdn: can you do a diff against the asound.state from your debian system? |
| 13:50.24 | tdn | modules contain only loop lp fuse. |
| 13:50.29 | tdn | plaur, ok. |
| 13:51.28 | plaur | i would just compare all files... i think nobody will find something in those huge files just by looking at them |
| 13:51.44 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1361.html |
| 13:52.08 | tdn | ^ diff asound asound.state. |
| 13:52.16 | tdn | asound is the asound.state from ubuntnu. |
| 13:52.20 | plaur | the second is the one from debian, right? |
| 13:52.27 | tdn | plaur, correct. |
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| 13:53.20 | cahoot | Id try replace the debian one with the ubuntuversion |
| 13:53.21 | ajehals | Hi, does anyone have a decent amount of experiance with Debian installations from USB media? I've hit a bit of a roadblock |
| 13:53.27 | tdn | cahoot, ok. |
| 13:53.36 | tdn | Is asound.state alsamixer settings? |
| 13:53.40 | plaur | tdn: ummm... is the "master mono playback switch" on true for debian and false for ubuntu, or is it just me? |
| 13:53.41 | cahoot | yes |
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| 13:54.32 | tdn | plaur, Master Mono is muted on my system, yes. |
| 13:54.38 | tdn | plaur, I do not want mono sound but stereo. |
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| 13:55.31 | tdn | Just copied asound.state from ubuntu. |
| 13:55.40 | tdn | Then do I need to restart anything for it to take effect? |
| 13:55.43 | ajehals | Well OK, I'll try and explain what is happenng... |
| 13:55.49 | cahoot | just run speaker-test |
| 13:55.52 | tdn | I just ran alsamixer and it did not look differently. |
| 13:55.59 | tdn | Ok. |
| 13:56.03 | plaur | tdn: control.46 also looks strange, never saw such a thing before (never had geode, either :) )... just copy the ubuntu settings |
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| 13:56.45 | tdn | cahoot, speaker-test running. Only sound in left speaker, still. |
| 13:56.48 | plaur | tdn: and compare the lsmod outputs, too... |
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| 13:57.36 | ajehals | I am installing on an X41 from a usb-stick, I did this about a year ago without too many issues, however for some reason now the install media is seen as /dev/sda during installation but the primary hd is seen as /dev/sda during a normal boot. this breaks the installation (specyfically encrypted lvms...) any suggestions as to what is going wrong? |
| 13:57.54 | Zambezi | tdn: "scrot -cd 5" on alsamixer without quotes. Upload it to a site, paste link here so we can see. |
| 13:58.20 | tdn | Should I sort the lsmod output before diffing them? |
| 13:58.24 | ajehals | I have tried simply pointing everything at the right place at the end of the installation but so far haven't been all that successful. |
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| 13:58.43 | tdn | Zambezi, ok. |
| 13:58.46 | plaur | tdn: this might make it easier... |
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| 13:59.00 | tdn | Zambezi, can I use ksnapshot? I have not scrot installed. |
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| 13:59.43 | cahoot | tdn: using kde? make sure no artsd or other layer messes with spund |
| 13:59.49 | plaur | tdn: i just hope we'll some module inserted by ubuntu but not debian... i'm slowly getting desperate :) |
| 13:59.50 | JyZyXEL | is there an alternative panel to kicker? |
| 13:59.57 | behrad | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not same in etch! i cant config driver with it. did any command replace with it? |
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| 14:00.28 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1362.html <- lsmod diff |
| 14:00.44 | tdn | cahoot, no. No X installed on this machine. I ssh to it. |
| 14:01.03 | gps23 | how can i start bbpager everytime fluxbox starts? i have tried putting bbpager's entry in .fluxbox/startup but its not working |
| 14:01.19 | tdn | JyZyXEL, pypanel ? |
| 14:01.31 | plaur | tdn: good point... can you try playing sound from mpg321 (an mp3 file) via alsa or oss? |
| 14:01.34 | tdn | JyZyXEL, if you want lightweight. |
| 14:01.44 | tdn | plaur, 1 sec. |
| 14:01.47 | JyZyXEL | tdn, i want something that makes a a start menu with icons |
| 14:02.07 | JyZyXEL | like automatically makes me a nice menu just like on gnome or kde |
| 14:02.16 | tdn | JyZyXEL, I think there is some alternative KDE one. Can't remember the name. |
| 14:02.33 | Arafangion | JyZyXEL: Just a menu, or nearly the same thing as the classic Win32 Start Menu? |
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| 14:02.50 | Arafangion | JyZyXEL: And what do you mean by 'icons'? |
| 14:02.52 | plaur | JyZyXEL: you could also replace your window manager with icewm... :) |
| 14:03.20 | Arafangion | icewm is a good choice, especially combined with Rox. |
| 14:03.28 | Arafangion | xfce is another. |
| 14:03.34 | Arafangion | Though that's a DE. |
| 14:03.36 | tdn | plaur, playing with mpg321 now. |
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| 14:03.59 | JyZyXEL | i like kde |
| 14:04.03 | tdn | plaur, still only left speaker. |
| 14:04.06 | JyZyXEL | just the kicker... its rediculous |
| 14:04.09 | plaur | tdn: darn, those numbers make everything different... can you pipe it via cut before diffing? |
| 14:04.24 | tdn | plaur, ok. |
| 14:04.47 | jelly-home | tdn: all else failing, you can try a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 14:04.49 | plaur | tdn: so we can just compare the module names |
| 14:06.02 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1363.html |
| 14:06.05 | tdn | diff ^ |
| 14:06.07 | JyZyXEL | pypanel has been removed from the repositories btw |
| 14:06.11 | plaur | tdn: a different kernel version might also be worth it, who knows if your audio wasn't broken exactly in the lenny version... |
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| 14:07.01 | Eternal_Sin | hi everyone |
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| 14:08.21 | plaur | tdn: no idea what's this ac module (is it realted with ac97? i'd modprobe it)... and the whole bunch of snd_* modules might be worth a try modprobbing |
| 14:08.34 | plaur | tdn: i think the other ones don't matter |
| 14:09.10 | tdn | Zambezi, http://bayimg.com/kABnlaaCF |
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| 14:09.56 | tdn | ^ screenshot of alsamixer |
| 14:10.11 | tdn | plaur, modprobed ac. No difference. |
| 14:10.13 | JyZyXEL | i kinda wanna try upgrading one of my desktop machines to testing |
| 14:10.41 | nsadmin | if you want to upgrade read the release notes |
| 14:10.51 | shiri | hi there, 3 ethernet cards unluckly cant get charing http://paste.org/8512 , plz.. adwise me |
| 14:10.53 | JyZyXEL | there are release notes for testing? |
| 14:11.24 | plaur | tdn: sorry, no idea... try another kernel (2.6.24 might still be in lenny, otherwise get one from backports) |
| 14:11.33 | Zambezi | tdn: PCM is pretty low. I have mine set to 96% |
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| 14:12.23 | tdn | plaur, loaded all the snd* modules that were + in ubuntu. |
| 14:12.36 | JyZyXEL | man what has happened to pypanel? |
| 14:12.37 | jelly-home | Zambezi: % is not a very useful measure across different hardware. Look at the dB value. |
| 14:12.39 | tdn | Zambezi, it is 0.00dB. |
| 14:12.42 | plaur | JyYXEL: testing doesn't have security support... better go unstable if you want to live dangerously anyway :) |
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| 14:12.52 | tdn | Zambezi, if I crank it up it sounds horribly. :( |
| 14:13.13 | JyZyXEL | plaur, never lived that dangerously |
| 14:13.35 | JyZyXEL | but should it be still more stable than gentoo tho? ;) |
| 14:13.39 | Zambezi | jelly-home: I haven't configure my soundcard after installing Lenny so I can't check my settings. |
| 14:13.52 | tdn | JyZyXEL, I would say it is. |
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| 14:14.05 | plaur | tdn: sound sounds horribly because the hardware amplifier at the end gets in limitation and clips all the nice sinus waves... if you can hear sound from one speaker, the volume is ok |
| 14:14.11 | nsadmin | should be? shouldn't be? who knows, you mean today? tomorrow? |
| 14:14.25 | JyZyXEL | i mean its a desktop computer with gaming capable hardware |
| 14:14.32 | nkuttler | security support isn't really that relevant for a desktop that doesn't run services on the intarweb |
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| 14:14.41 | tdn | plaur, ok. I think the volume is ok. I just want stereo and sound though both speakers :/ |
| 14:14.44 | JyZyXEL | so i might aswell go with the latest software since lenny just doesn't have the performance i was hoping |
| 14:14.47 | nkuttler | firewall, no services, no other users |
| 14:14.55 | plaur | JyZyXEL, i'd say it's also more stable than ubuntu stable... most of the time ;) |
| 14:15.00 | JyZyXEL | haha |
| 14:15.11 | JyZyXEL | well ok =D |
| 14:15.18 | tdn | plaur, I would agree if Ubuntu is not LTS, I think. |
| 14:15.28 | nsadmin | tdn: got another box where sound is currently working? |
| 14:15.29 | plaur | tdn: i believe you... and i really feel for you, it's just i'm out of fresh ideas :( |
| 14:15.33 | JyZyXEL | wheres the "lenny to sid" guide? |
| 14:15.34 | tdn | plaur, for me Ubuntu LTS versions has been pretty solid. |
| 14:16.03 | tdn | nsadmin, yes. I have an Ubuntu one with sound working. I am not root on that however. |
| 14:16.09 | tdn | plaur, :( |
| 14:16.29 | nsadmin | tdn: test the speakers on that box |
| 14:16.38 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: you'll have more problems with sid than with lenny. On the other hand, this channel won't support you when you go sid, so it's a good decision for us. :-> |
| 14:16.56 | plaur | tdn: i gave up on ubuntu for being too buggy (admittedly i needed weird packages from universe, the base ubuntu system was ok)... used debian since 2001, ubuntu was a short break |
| 14:17.09 | shiri | hi there, 3 ethernet cards unluckly cant get charing http://paste.org/8512 , plz.. adwise me |
| 14:17.12 | shiri | plz ? |
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| 14:17.29 | Zambezi | jelly-home: I know you're skilled, so I have to ask you. Is it a good idea to use the multimedia-repo in Squeeze? I have trouble with the graphics now. I don't think it's any problem in Lenny, but Squeeze changing more often. |
| 14:17.34 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home, oh but i still have one lenny desktop and two lenny servers |
| 14:17.36 | mesa_booger | i'll tell you what is annoying me : testing has started giving kde4 things as updates to kde3 things, thus breaking all sorts of stuff. they should *definitely* have been kept apart. i don't want kde4, nor do i want to have to pin all the kde3 stuff, just to have a sane system. ok testing is just that, but in NO SENSE can a kde4 thing be seen as an update to a similarly named kde3 thing |
| 14:17.47 | plaur | tdn: but ubuntu is a nice system, especially for people without much computer experience (like my parents) |
| 14:17.48 | nsadmin | shiri: charing? |
| 14:17.53 | JyZyXEL | so its about time i had myself one unstable |
| 14:18.09 | jelly-home | Zambezi: debian-multimedia has been quite safe to use for me. |
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| 14:18.16 | JyZyXEL | so how do i go from lenny to sid |
| 14:18.18 | shiri | nsadmin: http://paste.org/8512 |
| 14:18.19 | nsadmin | if you feel you can handle it... go ahead |
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| 14:18.34 | nsadmin | shiri: answer the question first |
| 14:18.42 | nvteighen | hi, anyone dealing with the network-manager / gnome-network-admin conflict in squeeze? |
| 14:18.44 | plaur | nsadmin: i think he means sharing (probably gateway with NAT, i assume) |
| 14:18.46 | mesa_booger | shiri: i already answered you in ##linux |
| 14:18.48 | at0m | JyZyXEL: if you dont know debian front-to-back and back-to-front, i wouldn't advise on that. if you dont know how to switch, i'd put you in that group |
| 14:18.50 | Zambezi | jelly-home: That's fine with me then. |
| 14:18.52 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg unstable |
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| 14:19.04 | sobersabre | hi guys, this is a bit offtopic... there was this site were many dudes used to post screenshots of various OS installations. I don't remember the name. |
| 14:19.11 | JyZyXEL | =( |
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| 14:19.28 | nsadmin | shiri: are the interfaces prepared? |
| 14:19.29 | sobersabre | it had this annoying interface of having them in a long horizontal scroll |
| 14:19.31 | shiri | nsadmin: sorry im firs time using weechat-ncurses from terminal :) lets see |
| 14:19.34 | tdn | nsadmin, speakers are working fine. I have already tested them on different laptops here in the house. They also worked fine on this box before installing Debian.... |
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| 14:19.56 | nsadmin | tdn: ok, that rules out hardware |
| 14:20.12 | sobersabre | the scroll had them in a rather large thumbnails, and if you clicked them, you got the full size image. |
| 14:20.15 | masterkernel | Hello, I am in need of a sponsor for my package, kernelcheck. It is a GUI tool that can automatically (custom) build any 2.6 kernel from the upstream source with any patches the user wants. It can be found on mentors.debian.net. |
| 14:20.18 | sobersabre | please help me remember! |
| 14:20.30 | nsadmin | one lump or two? |
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| 14:20.46 | tdn | nsadmin, yeah. The hardware should be fine. |
| 14:20.51 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 14:20.51 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:20.53 | mesa_booger | masterkernel: have you been to #debian-mentors on oftc ? |
| 14:21.19 | plaur | tdn: try another kernel... |
| 14:21.33 | masterkernel | mesa_booger: I tried it last night, but it sent me to ##debian-mentors and there were two people in there, neither responding |
| 14:21.37 | tdn | plaur, which one. |
| 14:21.37 | nsadmin | find out what the driver options are |
| 14:21.40 | JyZyXEL | maybe i first go to testing |
| 14:22.12 | shiri | nsadmin: can u join to #mint, no and yes, cables ant ethrenets are configured ok cause i can ping eth0 from both pcs but only then one of eth1 or eth0 is turned of |
| 14:22.23 | mesa_booger | masterkernel: maybe it was just a netsplit. try again, cos that's the place to be |
| 14:22.33 | shiri | nsadmin: sorry ping eth2* |
| 14:22.40 | nkuttler | didn't mentors move to oftc? |
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| 14:22.47 | plaur | JyZyXEL: testing has no security support, and updates propagate slowly... just use stable or unstable, no testing |
| 14:22.59 | JyZyXEL | oh :D |
| 14:23.00 | JyZyXEL | One of the real funnies was when pam broke. Pam does all the user checking, so without pam no-one can log in. Not even root could log in. You must be able to handle such situation when you're running unstable. |
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| 14:23.22 | nvteighen | plaur: what unstable is "stabler" than testing?? |
| 14:23.24 | mesa_booger | nkuttler: yeah. well it was there when i needed/wanted/thought i wanted mentoring |
| 14:23.29 | plaur | no need to be scared of unstable... testing sometimes breaks, too... just learn how to fix your debian system |
| 14:23.40 | patrikf | plaur: you're talking nonsense. |
| 14:23.43 | masterkernel | mesa_booger: sorry, youre right. I wasnt on oftc, I was still on freenode. |
| 14:23.44 | plaur | before getting away from stable |
| 14:23.44 | JyZyXEL | plaur, unstable has no security support either |
| 14:23.45 | patrikf | unstable is the one without security updates |
| 14:23.50 | nvteighen | plaur: ofc testing breaks |
| 14:23.52 | jelly-home | nvteighen: he didn't say that |
| 14:23.53 | patrikf | testing has (theoretically) |
| 14:23.55 | mrbob[panicmode] | ive installed debian on a server which i need for my business |
| 14:24.04 | tdn | I have to go. |
| 14:24.08 | mrbob[panicmode] | i can access it trough ssh fine, no problem there at all |
| 14:24.19 | jelly-home | patrikf: squeeze still doesn't have security established |
| 14:24.20 | mrbob[panicmode] | mysql is running, but i cant access it |
| 14:24.21 | mesa_booger | masterkernel: haha. no harm done. now spread your wings, grasshopper ... :) |
| 14:24.28 | JyZyXEL | and im not really that concerned about security on a gaming desktop |
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| 14:24.30 | nkuttler | !tell mrbob[panicmode] about errors |
| 14:24.31 | nvteighen | bah, my issue is currently the network-manager... I had to downgrade it to the lenny package |
| 14:24.32 | plaur | JyZyXEL: it does... in an indirect way: it tracks upstream very close, and this is how it gets timely security updates... because the developers are doing it |
| 14:24.38 | patrikf | jelly-home: ah |
| 14:24.44 | mrbob[panicmode] | is there a firewall on lenny or something? |
| 14:24.49 | nsadmin | plaur: yes. additionally support is thinner, for example I think this channel doesn't say it supports unstable |
| 14:25.01 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: mysql is only accessible to localhost by default |
| 14:25.03 | JyZyXEL | plaur, but testing would be a little more stabler |
| 14:25.08 | jelly-home | patrikf: in fact, last two firefox security fixes never trickled down to testing |
| 14:25.10 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: ow :/ |
| 14:25.20 | nsadmin | mrbob[panicmode] there can be a firewall on something |
| 14:25.21 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: which is a good thing (tm) |
| 14:25.23 | nvteighen | JyZyXEL: yeah, but it gets fixes slower... that's true |
| 14:25.24 | mrbob[panicmode] | hits /etc/mysql/.. |
| 14:25.27 | plaur | JyZyXEL: often it's faster to get security updates in unstable, because the debian security team needs to backport fixes to the older versions in stable, and this needs time |
| 14:26.00 | nvteighen | anyway, the best thing to speed up a fix is to use reportbug :) |
| 14:26.07 | jelly-home | plaur: but that's irrelevant since one cannot trust unstable to get any security updates in a reasonable timeframe anyway |
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| 14:26.54 | nsadmin | one cannot trust unstable to be "more stable than x" at every point in time |
| 14:26.57 | plaur | JyZyXEL: correct, in unstable you might get critical bugs that might not end up in testing (it can also happen in testing, pppoe was once broken, end of game for me, couldn't get the fixes for pppoe anymore) |
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| 14:27.21 | nsadmin | where x is anything |
| 14:27.28 | JyZyXEL | yea thats why id like testing better |
| 14:27.37 | plaur | JyZyXEL: i'd use testing (and i did follow lenny for more than 1 year before being released, not sid) if, and only if, it has security support |
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| 14:27.46 | nvteighen | JyZyXEL: how is your metacity? broken? |
| 14:28.05 | JyZyXEL | what? |
| 14:28.14 | nvteighen | The top window title |
| 14:28.21 | plaur | squeeze doesn't, and it's unclear when it will... if stable is too old and you care about security, just go stable |
| 14:28.34 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: ive commented ''bind-address= 127.0.0.1' |
| 14:28.36 | nvteighen | Have you had any issue after updating today? |
| 14:28.40 | mavhc | testing did have security support, what happened? |
| 14:28.43 | mrbob[panicmode] | restarted mysql, still doesnt work :S |
| 14:28.56 | JyZyXEL | well im actually very interested of the latest software so guess ill be trying unstable |
| 14:29.00 | nkuttler | !tell mrbob[panicmode] about errors |
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| 14:29.08 | plaur | mavhc: lenny got released :) |
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| 14:29.40 | Zambezi | Which packages contains alsaconf? I can't find it in the repos and not in the packages I already installed. |
| 14:29.50 | JyZyXEL | on the other hand if i try squeeze first i can still upgrade to unstable from there 8) |
| 14:29.51 | stack | hi, I'm issuing this bug http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xcb/2009-June/004796.html but I can't resolve it, does someone know a fix or workaround? |
| 14:29.51 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: my mysql client gives me '192.168.1.22 is not allowed to connect to this server' |
| 14:29.58 | mrbob[panicmode] | mah server refuses the connection |
| 14:29.59 | plaur | JyZyXEL: keep a copy of the debian reference manual handy (install it from packages or download an offline copy), you might need to fix stuff |
| 14:30.00 | JyZyXEL | but i can't go back from unstable to squeeze |
| 14:30.07 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: see grant syntax etc |
| 14:30.16 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: #mysql i guess |
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| 14:31.09 | JyZyXEL | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ |
| 14:31.12 | JyZyXEL | whats that? |
| 14:31.20 | plaur | JyZyXEL: squeeze and unstable are almost the same anyway... most debian devels use unstable, so anything broken gets fixed fast |
| 14:31.22 | JyZyXEL | mirror me up |
| 14:31.33 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: it has nothin to do with db/table permission levels |
| 14:31.56 | mesa_booger | plaur: except kde3/4 which is an almighty mess ... |
| 14:32.02 | JyZyXEL | the release notes are 404 |
| 14:32.13 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: you're aware that grant handles user/host permissions too? |
| 14:32.21 | JyZyXEL | all of them are! |
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| 14:32.35 | JyZyXEL | Debian 6.0 release notes are offline for all archs :( |
| 14:32.41 | plaur | JyZyXEL: nothing is done directly in squeeze (except for _some_ security updates that are now missing), everything comes from unstable after 10 days without critical bugs... squeeze is an older sid |
| 14:32.54 | JyZyXEL | 10 days is fine for me |
| 14:32.56 | nkuttler | !release notes |
| 14:32.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 14:33.14 | nvteighen | JyZyXEL: So your maximized windows don't look weird at all in squeeze? |
| 14:33.24 | JyZyXEL | nvteighen, what? |
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| 14:33.55 | nvteighen | JyZyXEL: if you maximize a window in GNOME, does the top title bar hide or not? |
| 14:33.59 | nsadmin | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 14:34.00 | nvteighen | it shouldn't |
| 14:34.03 | plaur | JyZyXEL: hold it, you want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze because of metacity problems? |
| 14:34.03 | JyZyXEL | why do you wanna know? |
| 14:34.08 | JyZyXEL | plaur, no |
| 14:34.13 | JyZyXEL | i don't know what this guy is on |
| 14:34.13 | nvteighen | JyZyXEL: because it's what happening to me :p |
| 14:34.30 | JyZyXEL | im upgrading cause i wanna see new shit |
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| 14:35.10 | nvteighen | plaur: metacity has problems on my squeeze after the last upgrade to 2.26.x |
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| 14:35.16 | person | Hey |
| 14:35.31 | person | I'm trying to do a netinst on an Acer One |
| 14:35.36 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: and you don't do real work on the machine OR you have strong backup strategies? |
| 14:35.43 | plaur | JyZyXEL: you could also try to get stuff from squeeze or sid in a chroot from the lenny installation (read the debian ref. manual), that way you could have the best of both worlds |
| 14:35.44 | person | Installer can't find the ISO file - what shall I do? |
| 14:35.56 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin, atm i don't do anything with it |
| 14:35.57 | spinlock | hi, does anyone actually uses talk/talkd on lenny? there are 4 packages, i tried all but nothing seems to work |
| 14:36.03 | JyZyXEL | so i don't care if it brakes |
| 14:36.25 | plaur | JyZyXEL: or see if backports.org doesn't already have what you want... or another distro |
| 14:36.26 | nsadmin | ok, as long as that's true I suppose it's safe to run anything |
| 14:36.36 | nkuttler | person: the iso file is the installer... what are you doing? |
| 14:36.46 | patrikf | person: from an USB stick or what? |
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| 14:37.06 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: but im root!! |
| 14:37.14 | plaur | nvteighen: what problems? |
| 14:37.30 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 14:37.38 | nvteighen | plaur: If I use a maximized window, the title bar gets hidden below the top panel |
| 14:37.41 | JyZyXEL | plaur, well im interested of the new KDE and improvements for radeon drivers |
| 14:37.45 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: think about it |
| 14:37.49 | mrbob[panicmode] | I AM ROOT!! |
| 14:38.01 | nvteighen | plaur: as it failed to recognize where the panel is |
| 14:38.06 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: you said you want to connect to a remote mysqld |
| 14:38.15 | nsadmin | mrbob[panicmode]: do you think it's posssible for some programs to check if you;re running them as root? |
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| 14:38.25 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: yep |
| 14:38.26 | person | patrikf: Yeah, from my usb stick |
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| 14:38.36 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: what you are on the remote host is totally irrelevant |
| 14:38.39 | nkuttler | mrbob[panicmode]: #mysql |
| 14:38.43 | plaur | nvteighen: did you try from a new user account? maybe the existing gnome config doesn't get along with the new gnome stuff... |
| 14:38.44 | patrikf | person: you should also copy the corresponding ISO image onto the usb stick. have you done so? |
| 14:38.48 | person | nkuttler: this - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#Install |
| 14:38.53 | JyZyXEL | the release notes are btw still down |
| 14:38.57 | nvteighen | plaur: I'll check |
| 14:39.00 | person | patrikf: Yeah |
| 14:39.02 | JyZyXEL | can't find a mirror |
| 14:39.11 | person | nkuttler: Never mind, it's a bit of a weird install |
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| 14:39.25 | nkuttler | person: no idea |
| 14:39.33 | person | okay don't worrk |
| 14:39.34 | nsadmin | hmm, true... no specific arch release note drafts |
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| 14:39.38 | mrbob[panicmode] | nkuttler: thanks, i fixed my permission |
| 14:39.39 | mrbob[panicmode] | s |
| 14:40.01 | person | patrikf: I put debian-lenny*.iso on the root of the device. That's sane, right? |
| 14:40.11 | JyZyXEL | maybe i use the upgrade procedure from lenny notes then |
| 14:40.20 | JyZyXEL | they seemed pretty universal |
| 14:40.30 | patrikf | person: sounds good. tell me the exact filename and what filesystem you have on the stick |
| 14:40.50 | person | File system - whatever I got by doing dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sdb |
| 14:40.57 | nvteighen | plaur: nope, in a new account it also failed |
| 14:41.13 | person | Filename - debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 14:41.34 | nsadmin | person: so it's trying to find the cd I guess |
| 14:41.41 | person | patrikf: Could it be something to do with the fact that I dd'd it to the device itself, not a partition? |
| 14:41.49 | nsadmin | what is sdb btw? |
| 14:41.50 | person | nsadmin: Well, the ISO. |
| 14:41.50 | patrikf | person: no, that's how you're supposed to do it |
| 14:42.02 | person | Thought so :P |
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| 14:42.09 | patrikf | person: and you took the boot.img for amd64, right? |
| 14:42.12 | gurugeek | Problem: I just found out that I don't have the /etc/init.d/dnsmasq file. I reinstalled dnsmasq and the file wont show up. ANyone? |
| 14:42.20 | patrikf | person: because the wiki entry links to the i386 |
| 14:42.23 | person | patrikf: Good question. |
| 14:42.27 | person | Ah crap |
| 14:42.34 | person | Silly habit of mine >< |
| 14:42.38 | nsadmin | gurugeek: did it ever? |
| 14:42.40 | patrikf | person: and the acer one does have a 64-bit processor? |
| 14:42.41 | plaur | nvteighen: ouch... file a bug report against metacity, then... |
| 14:42.42 | person | thanks patrikf |
| 14:42.47 | nvteighen | plaur: that's done |
| 14:43.01 | yuastnav | Does someone know any decent programs for plotting and computing? Something along the lines of mathematica... |
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| 14:43.02 | person | I just thought the one linked by the wiki looked out-of-date - should I get the up-to-date i386 one? |
| 14:43.07 | gurugeek | nsadmin: I accidentally deleted the script.... i think |
| 14:43.09 | patrikf | yuastnav: (wx)maxima, gnuplot |
| 14:43.16 | nvteighen | plaur: I used the GUI reportbug... does that work? I usually use the CLI one |
| 14:43.23 | jelly-home | gurugeek: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:43.30 | nsadmin | you mean you think it was an accident? |
| 14:43.31 | plaur | nvteighen: you could use another WM in the mean time... many support gnome, from icewm and windowmaker to compiz-gnome |
| 14:43.36 | yuastnav | patrikf: Thanks, I'll try those. |
| 14:43.42 | person | patrikf: It says the kernel of the iso has to match the kernel of the boot.img - I think the linked drive_img is whatever is current, so should I get the most up-to-date? |
| 14:43.50 | nvteighen | plaur: heck... do we have compiz at Debian??? |
| 14:43.50 | nsadmin | try purging it and installing it again |
| 14:43.54 | patrikf | person: I think so |
| 14:44.02 | person | Thanks |
| 14:44.02 | plaur | nvteighen: no idea, i always do it from emacs... :) |
| 14:44.20 | nsadmin | nvteighen: I built it from source once a long time ago |
| 14:44.57 | nvteighen | nsadmin: well... I actually dislike compiz, but it may save my day... or I'll try icewm or e11 |
| 14:45.13 | nsadmin | why would it save your day |
| 14:45.17 | nsadmin | what are you trying to do |
| 14:45.18 | plaur | nvteighen: if you see yur bug report at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=metacity;dist=unstable , it worked... |
| 14:45.46 | zinx | nvteighen: Debian does have compiz |
| 14:46.49 | nvteighen | plaur: nope... I'll send it again... it just won't hurt |
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| 14:47.03 | plaur | nvteighen: compiz works fine for me, modulo some driver issues and opengl applications not being able to work in a window (blender)... with intel driver works best, as far as open-source drivers go |
| 14:47.34 | nvteighen | plaur: I know... I used it in Ubuntu (and luckily, I've got Intel drivers) |
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| 14:47.48 | nvteighen | plaur: but I just got rid of it :) |
| 14:47.54 | plaur | nvteighen: perhaps your mail config has a problem... |
| 14:48.15 | gurugeek | nsadmin: thanks |
| 14:48.23 | gurugeek | jelly-home: thanks |
| 14:48.31 | bony | how to convert mpg video files to ogv or ogg? in debian can any one give a good link that has the details. |
| 14:49.23 | plaur | nvteighen: i have a radeon 9250, it's stable and fast, but metacity is still faster... and i like opengl stuff working :) |
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| 14:49.27 | plaur | nvteighen: so i gave up on compiz... although it's really nice when working with many windows at once |
| 14:49.28 | nvteighen | plaur: The strange thing at the GUI Reportbug was that it skipped the long description step |
| 14:49.46 | nvteighen | plaur: yeah, but it's a bit distracting :p |
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| 14:49.58 | Maveas | !zip |
| 14:49.58 | dpkg | [zip] the file extension of the archive format formerly known as PKZIP. Use "zip" to create them and "unzip" to extract them. As of 'zip' 3.0-1, this utility now has large file support (resolves bug #308345). |
| 14:50.09 | plaur | nvteighen: then use reportbug cli to report a bug in reportbug gui... :) |
| 14:50.27 | nvteighen | plaur: I was thinking on it too :D |
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| 14:51.15 | stack | hi, I've upgraded libxcb1 and now I want to downgrade to a previous version, how sould I do? |
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| 14:54.51 | ajehals | Do the debian live images come with installers these days by the way? |
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| 14:55.10 | plaur | stack: unless you can still get the .deb for the "good" version from somethere (your cache?)... bad luck |
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| 14:55.41 | stack | plaur: unfortunately I cleaned the cache |
| 14:56.05 | mrcomputer | testing IRC in debian |
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| 14:57.31 | plaur | stack: it happened to me too... well, unless someone has the older version somewhere, you can just wait for a newer, fixed version (file a bug about your problem or ask the maintainer directly) |
| 14:57.50 | nvteighen | plaur: now it succeeded |
| 14:57.50 | mesa_booger | mrcomputer: test received and promptly ignored :) |
| 14:58.25 | plaur | stack: you could look in unstable or experiemental if they have a newer version, perhaps it's already fixed... |
| 14:58.41 | stack | plaur: thousand of bug report has been reported, I'm just waiting :) |
| 14:58.42 | plaur | nvteighen: what did you do? :) |
| 14:58.42 | stack | ok thanks |
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| 14:58.52 | nvteighen | plaur: use the classic reportbug |
| 14:59.04 | jelly-home | plaur: /msg dpkg sdn - for older packages |
| 14:59.16 | plaur | nvteighen: oh, i thought you fixed metacity :-D |
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| 14:59.24 | jelly-home | er, stack. |
| 14:59.47 | nvteighen | plaur: nope, but did what a good Debian-citizen should do :) |
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| 15:00.11 | nvteighen | plaur: and there they are, the emails from debian-bugs! |
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| 15:00.20 | plaur | jelly-home: thanks, didn't know that |
| 15:00.42 | Dawgmatix | Hello - I have an Xorg question - everytime I boot my computer seems to toggle between two different pci busids for my ati dispay card |
| 15:00.50 | plaur | nvteighen: yep, they're a good indicator :) |
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| 15:01.00 | Dawgmatix | because of this I have to go in and manually change the busid everytime i boot |
| 15:01.17 | stack | thanks jelly-home |
| 15:01.37 | nvteighen | plaur: I'm an amateur programmer even in GTK+ C, but I don't think I'll be able to handle metacity's source |
| 15:01.38 | jelly-home | Dawgmatix: just remove it completely |
| 15:01.56 | Dawgmatix | :) |
| 15:02.26 | Dawgmatix | okay - for some reason aticonfig had added this line |
| 15:02.27 | nsadmin | nvteighen have you seen it? |
| 15:02.46 | nvteighen | nsadmin: I don't need to see it to know what can I handle :p |
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| 15:03.18 | nvteighen | nsadmin: I'm just an amateur, not a professional |
| 15:03.21 | nsadmin | I disagree,,, you never know until you look |
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| 15:03.42 | nvteighen | nsadmin: you're tempting me to do apt-get source metacity :p |
| 15:03.45 | nsadmin | who cares whether you get paid or not :) |
| 15:04.02 | nvteighen | nsadmin: no, it's not about payment but skills... |
| 15:04.09 | nsadmin | well if you do that, you'd be able to look thru it |
| 15:05.08 | nvteighen | nsadmin: ok, it won't hurt :D |
| 15:05.08 | nsadmin | the difference between a pro and an amateur is the pro also deals with the business end |
| 15:05.09 | nvteighen | where's my terminal? oh, here! |
| 15:05.18 | plaur | nsadmin: doing it professionally for many years makes you able to understand very complex stuff that you otherwise wouldn't (money is just a nice side-effect :) ) |
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| 15:05.41 | nsadmin | s/professionally // |
| 15:06.03 | nsadmin | s/ (money.*// |
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| 15:07.15 | nsadmin | point being... complex understanding comes whether you do it as a profession or not |
| 15:07.17 | plaur | nsadmin: of course... but having a different job will "steal" 8-12 hours every day... besides, you get to know very good people directly, and you learn a lot from them |
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| 15:08.47 | Dawgmatix | another question - does anyone have sound working on lenny 64 bit in flash |
| 15:09.04 | nsadmin | if you're unprofessional you only get to know average people and bad people?! |
| 15:09.16 | Dawgmatix | its becoming a royal pita to reboot my pc into windows to watch hulu etc |
| 15:09.22 | nsadmin | cnom, you're making excuses :P |
| 15:09.27 | stack | jelly-home: I've found this http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/libx/libxcb/ , but how do I install a specific version of the package? |
| 15:09.44 | nvteighen | nsadmin: no... you can join a Launchpad project... but it's the skills what matter |
| 15:10.20 | nsadmin | which you can gain by doing, reading, thinking, lather, rince, repeat |
| 15:10.27 | plaur | i'm not making excuses... i'm actually doing it as a job for many years (been programming since i was 13, but it's at the job that i really got to the next level) |
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| 15:11.38 | plaur | it also depends a lot on the environment... it can work both ways, perhaps i was also lucky |
| 15:13.07 | nsadmin | perhaps |
| 15:13.29 | nsadmin | all I'm saying is what you just said, that it can work differently |
| 15:13.40 | nvteighen | ok, gotta go... |
| 15:13.54 | nvteighen | thanks for your help! |
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| 15:14.00 | jelly-home | stack: I believe the instructions are on the site |
| 15:14.12 | plaur | nsadmin: yes, it can... i have enough colleagues for which it didn't... it actually became worse |
| 15:14.47 | nsadmin | perhaps they didn't have the inital drive to do programming, maybe they never "liked" it |
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| 15:15.35 | plaur | i think so... many were actually hired during the 2000-2001 bubble, without many questions |
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| 15:16.36 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:16.40 | plaur | and the code being so complex (tens of millions LOC), getting to know your own limits is the key... |
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| 15:17.58 | person | patrikf: Thanks man, it seems that it's working now |
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| 15:35.17 | Drakeson` | what is /usr/bin/open (or the package console-tools) used for? I would like to point "open" to xdg-open. |
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| 15:36.26 | Aberration2 | Hi! After the latest update, my gnome systray has been replaces by a grey bar.... what can I do to restaur it?? |
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| 15:37.36 | Drakeson` | in a terminal do: gnome-pannel & |
| 15:37.49 | Drakeson` | or pkill gnome-pannel && gnome-pannel & |
| 15:38.31 | Aberration2 | ok thanks I got to rboot to do that 'no systray, no wifi :( ) |
| 15:39.00 | MadMoney | Hah. Sounds worse than Windows. |
| 15:39.19 | MadMoney | That's why I just use Linux on the server. :) |
| 15:39.35 | Aberration2 | MadMoney hu? |
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| 15:40.09 | JyZyXEL | lol i wonder if gnome-panel works with KDE |
| 15:40.22 | MadMoney | If you have no Wifi, check iwconfig |
| 15:40.31 | MadMoney | Or try Ubuntu. |
| 15:40.52 | MadMoney | Ubuntu comes from Debian, so we support it here. |
| 15:40.53 | MadMoney | Not. |
| 15:41.39 | Aberration2 | MadMoney I got the wifi usually.... |
| 15:42.00 | Aberration2 | My systray disapeared so I can't have access to Network manager |
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| 15:42.25 | MadMoney | So run network manager from the shell/terminal. |
| 15:42.52 | Aberration2 | yep I'll propably get to this |
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| 16:06.15 | gasull | Hi all. I want to increase the size of my /boot partition. I'm following http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Resizing_Encrypted_Filesystems but I need some help to know that I'm understanding it right. |
| 16:06.15 | gasull | This is the info of my partitions: http://dpaste.com/57959/ |
| 16:06.15 | gasull | It seems I just need to use lvresize to reduce my /home partition (e.g. in 1GB) and then use lvresize to increase my /boot partition in 1GB. My understanding (here is my question) is that I don't need to use cryptsetup afterwords because I just have one sda2_crypt with the full HD. Am I right? Thank you. |
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| 16:10.23 | plaur | gasull: i think that's right. the entire lvm is encrypted, so once unlocked, you use the unlocked correspondents in /dev/mapper, the encryption is transparent as long as you don't want to resize the entire lvm, but stay within its bounds |
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| 16:11.35 | plaur | gasull: lvm can do even crazier things, like doing backups of a live, working system by using snapshots (you need unallocated free space in the lvm for that, though) |
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| 16:12.49 | fxiny | yes , the entire lvm is already encrypted |
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| 16:13.54 | gasull | plaur: Thanks. Right now I'm doing a backup with rdiff-backup. Once it's done I'll resize. Should I reboot from the install disk or can I do it right away in a gnome-terminal? |
| 16:13.57 | Lukao | Hello, Does anyone know what is happening here: My headphone volume is too low, and I can hear only if I raise the Front Volume. How can I configure my headphone and set a higher volume? PS: I am using ALSA, driver: HDA INTEL |
| 16:14.03 | gasull | fxiny: thanks |
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| 16:15.09 | gasull | Lukao: to to Applications > Sound and Video > Volume control |
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| 16:15.34 | gasull | Lukao: I meant go to Applications > Sound and Video > Volume control |
| 16:15.42 | Lukao | gasull: I set the headphone volume "Applications > Sound and Video > Volume control" at maximum! |
| 16:16.00 | Lukao | gasull: It is the same as run alsa-mixer and set. |
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| 16:16.03 | plaur | gasull: i think you can do it from the running system... that's one of the arguments for using lvm |
| 16:16.13 | frostschutz | gasull: where's your boot partition? |
| 16:16.44 | fxiny | frostschutz: good question ;) |
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| 16:17.00 | JohnTheRipper | Lukao: have you tried to recompile you kernel? |
| 16:17.08 | Lukao | The problem is that the Headphone Volume in alsamixer doenst change anything |
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| 16:17.34 | Lukao | JohnTheRipper: O man. Recompile the kernel only becouse a headphone :/ |
| 16:17.37 | plaur | frostschutz: /boot is always separate and unencrypted, as BIOSes can only boot from old-fashion partitions |
| 16:18.02 | frostschutz | plaur: and since he wants to resize that...? :) |
| 16:18.05 | fxiny | and ext2 ... |
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| 16:18.18 | plaur | ouch, missed that! |
| 16:18.25 | frostschutz | ouch indeed |
| 16:18.45 | plaur | gasull: stop now and don't touch anything! :-D |
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| 16:19.51 | frostschutz | you have to resize the entire lvm and then move the encrypted container from backwards... fun. |
| 16:19.54 | plaur | well, you'd need to move everything in the LVM to the end, and then move the beginning of LVM to the end of the disk by 1G... followed by resizing /boot |
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| 16:20.26 | frostschutz | okay, depends on what you use for encryption. if it's luks it'll have a header at the beginning that needs to be moved |
| 16:20.31 | fxiny | it can never happen to me . my approach to LUKS is different : i set the LUKS layer up and i've cloned an already polished system on it;) |
| 16:20.42 | Lukao1 | JohnTheRipper: Isn't there any other possibility? Something like a software volume increase ;-) |
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| 16:21.04 | plaur | that's a bit messy... actually, messy enough to backup and install new with proper partition sizes (then restore from backups) |
| 16:21.05 | frostschutz | I have the entire hard disk encrypted and I use an 8GB usb stick for booting... it has several linux live cds on it too so I can use it everywhere :) |
| 16:21.09 | fxiny | this means any system can be turned into an encrypted one in minutes |
| 16:21.23 | fxiny | by cloning it |
| 16:21.31 | bolhoso | Lukao: what is your soundcard model? |
| 16:21.37 | frostschutz | but that doesn't help him now does it |
| 16:21.54 | Lukao1 | bolhoso: HDA Intel |
| 16:22.02 | fxiny | it can help hin in cp the /boot in a fresh partition |
| 16:22.06 | fxiny | him* |
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| 16:22.09 | gasull | frostschutz: I see. I think my boot is in /dev/sda1 |
| 16:22.13 | Lukao1 | bolhoso: Chip realtek ALC883 |
| 16:22.27 | plaur | does gparted support (encrypted) lvm now? |
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| 16:23.09 | gasull | and the encrypted part is /dev/sda2 |
| 16:23.19 | fxiny | he needs a new intitram |
| 16:23.37 | plaur | gasull: it's the standard installation scheme |
| 16:24.00 | frostschutz | gasull: moving the beginning of sda2 when there's an encrypted lvm on it, isn't easy. make a backup first in any case ;) |
| 16:24.06 | fxiny | initrd* |
| 16:24.20 | plaur | why do you need such a large /boot anyway? i'd just reduce the number of installed kernels instead of going through that risky stuff |
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| 16:25.07 | gasull | I'm backing everything up right now with rdiff-backup into my external HD. What's the best approach then? Should I reinstall everything or just resize?. |
| 16:25.15 | bolhoso | Lukao: check if the high definition audio module is enabled: lsmod | grep snd |
| 16:25.30 | bolhoso | Lukao: should appear somethg like "snd-hda-intel" |
| 16:25.55 | frostschutz | gasull: it might actually be easier to chip off 1GB at the end of sda2 and make a new sda3 out of it which you can use as /boot, if your bios / grub doesnt have issues reading from the end of the disk |
| 16:26.00 | plaur | resize is complicated and risky, install is long, boring and safe - depends how you define best (moving all the data might be slow, too) |
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| 16:27.19 | fxiny | yes , resizing is too slow |
| 16:27.22 | Lukao1 | bolhoso: yeap. it is there |
| 16:27.33 | plaur | personally, i'd go for reinstall (unless i can reduce the size of /boot, of course :) ) |
| 16:27.35 | fxiny | i prefere backing it up with dump |
| 16:27.40 | nsadmin | it's safer if you're going to do that, to back up your entire hd before you proceed with a resize... but at that point you could just make new empty partitions and restore from your individual partition backup |
| 16:28.11 | gasull | plaur, frostschutz: thanks. I'm backing up everything so I guess I'll go with the resize and if I mess up something I can always reinstall. |
| 16:28.25 | plaur | gasull: good luck! |
| 16:28.36 | frostschutz | you're gonna need it ; |
| 16:28.37 | bolhoso | Lukao: grep your /etc/modules and your /etc/modprobe.d for 'snd-hda-intel' |
| 16:28.52 | gasull | plaur, frostschutz: thanks :) |
| 16:28.53 | bolhoso | Lukao: check if some option is being informed |
| 16:29.00 | fxiny | gasull: if you mv your boot into a new partrition you need a new initrd |
| 16:29.24 | fxiny | maybe |
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| 16:32.13 | gasull | fixny: Would you mind to explain it further? |
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| 16:32.46 | gasull | fixny: I'm not moving the boot partition, but making it larger |
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| 16:32.59 | gasull | fixny: Am I missing anything? |
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| 16:33.05 | nsadmin | if you're not changing its name it should work |
| 16:34.02 | fxiny | gasull: because if you add a new partition and / changes from say sda4 to sda5 your kernel keeps on looking for / in sda4 |
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| 16:34.37 | starenka | is there a easy way how to get newer kernel into lenny (i know it's stable, but i dont want anything but the kernel) |
| 16:35.21 | gasull | nsadmin, fixny: Thanks. I won't change its name unless I really need to. |
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| 16:35.54 | HardDisk_WP | I have a STV0680 webcam - how do I make a picture from it on the commandline? |
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| 16:36.03 | HardDisk_WP | Or, even better: Live http video stream |
| 16:36.09 | plaur | fxiny: / is already given as command-line option to the kernel from grub, and /boot is not / (it's not even needed during boot, only grub reads from there)... fixing /etc/fstab before next boot should be enough, no new initrd needed IMHO |
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| 16:37.16 | plaur | starenka: see nackpots.org, they have a newer kernel |
| 16:37.29 | starenka | plaur: thakns |
| 16:37.39 | plaur | starenka: i meant backports.org :-D |
| 16:37.49 | starenka | got it |
| 16:37.54 | starenka | already have this repo on |
| 16:38.04 | fxiny | plaur: is not enough , as i said i set my LUKS up by cloning it . i usually create a required new initrd in the old system before cp it over |
| 16:38.06 | plaur | starenka: or you can compile your own (see kernel-package) |
| 16:38.07 | gasull | So, can I do all the lvresize and cryptsetup stuff in a gnome-terminal or should I reboot with a installation disk? |
| 16:38.14 | starenka | i need 2.6.31 because of the alsa x-fi support |
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| 16:38.52 | starenka | plaur: yeah, compiling - this is xactly the thing i want to avoid :)) |
| 16:39.19 | plaur | fxiny: oops... maybe you're right, didn't try to move it around to see if it breaks (my computer can't boot from USB... don't ask how old it is :) ) |
| 16:39.35 | plaur | starenka: i thought so :) |
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| 16:40.26 | plaur | starenka: backports had 2.6.29... compiling might be faster than waiting for the backports people to eventually package it :) |
| 16:41.07 | plaur | starenka: but it's not a big deal, you can copy the existing debian kernel config |
| 16:41.20 | fxiny | plaur: yes , this is what happens , another interesting thing i found out is : when using keys and resizing say /home i disable booting with keys , i jsu give all pass , i create e new key and i enabled it again |
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| 16:41.44 | starenka | plaur: any howto for newbies in this field? |
| 16:42.17 | fxiny | plaur: the old small /home key won't work |
| 16:42.22 | dvs | !tell starenka -about kp |
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| 16:43.04 | plaur | starenka: there was one at newbie-doc.sf.net, but last time i didn't see any complete info in just one place... had to figure it out on my own (ok, i also wanted some kernel patches being applied by make-kpkg for me, that's why) |
| 16:43.05 | starenka | ko thanks |
| 16:43.51 | starenka | i mean does this lack something? http://linuxsaga.com/guide/compiling-a-new-kernel-in-debian as it seems quite a cakewalk tho |
| 16:44.03 | plaur | fxiny: that's really strange... why would the key change? |
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| 16:44.39 | plaur | fxiny: but i believe you... i should try this sometimes, it's useful to have practice for when things break :) |
| 16:45.30 | plaur | starenka: it is cakewalk, figuring out the 1-2 commands you need to type takes longer than compiling... :) |
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| 16:45.46 | fxiny | plaur: i dunno why , for the boot initrd --> cat > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot |
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| 16:46.04 | starenka | plaur: hehe, maybe if you done it before :)) |
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| 16:46.21 | plaur | starenka: beware of initrd stuff when compiling a vanilla kernel (from kernel.org), initrd was something debian-specific... |
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| 16:47.09 | plaur | starenka: there's always a first time... try it out, if it doesn't work you can just boot you debian kernel and try again... it's good learning and fun |
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| 16:48.05 | fxiny | plaur: i resize my /home buy creating a larger one and restoring data , so i could not boot . i start panicking , then i had the idea of creating a new key , and it worked |
| 16:48.23 | fxiny | sorry, i could boot |
| 16:48.37 | fxiny | but not mounting home , some strange error i forgot |
| 16:48.50 | plaur | fxiny: i don't even have a cryptroot in conf.d :) |
| 16:49.37 | fxiny | plaur: you must create it with: target=lukspace,source=/dev/<newpartition>,key=none |
| 16:49.44 | plaur | fxiny: everything in an encrypted lvm, right? |
| 16:49.47 | fxiny | plaur: if you go for the cloning |
| 16:49.58 | fxiny | plaur: i don't use lvm |
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| 16:50.25 | plaur | fxiny: that explains it... you got me confused |
| 16:50.38 | fxiny | plaur: setr all partitions up , creatre initrd if needed . clone and set cryptbab and aeverything |
| 16:50.39 | HardDisk_WP | how does one make a package out of a directory supplied by apt-get source pkgname? |
| 16:51.04 | fxiny | sorry for the typos . but i have eye problems in the evening |
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| 16:51.26 | plaur | fxiny: no problem... better make a break |
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| 16:52.02 | fxiny | plaur: this way is much better IMHO because everyone has a working system and no one likes to restart all setting again |
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| 16:52.26 | plaur | fxiny: there was some howto on uwe hermann's site (if i remeber correctly) about using a /boot on usb stick, with encrypted lvm on the hard disk |
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| 16:53.03 | TDJACR | Bawstarski: ... |
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| 16:53.25 | plaur | fxiny: definitely |
| 16:53.58 | plaur | TDJACR: you also din't want his key logger? :-D |
| 16:54.07 | jaybee | I have a big problem with linux, uuid does not work, drive get different ones |
| 16:54.07 | olspookishmagus | greetings y'all - anyone care to share thought on these: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445529 && http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533917 |
| 16:54.14 | fxiny | plaur: i've picked up instructions at debian-admionistration.org , then i did a cloning instead of a regular install , it works like a dream . i used scrub for sanitizing |
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| 16:54.53 | jaybee | How can I make linux bootable when neither uuid or /dev/something returns consistent results? |
| 16:55.10 | plaur | fxiny: i'll look it up, thanks... hopefully i'll get at least a netbook to boot from usb :-D |
| 16:55.11 | jaybee | Also I am convinced this is a linux problem |
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| 16:55.23 | jaybee | because it happens when you have pci ide or sata cards |
| 16:55.25 | dvs | jaybee: label? |
| 16:55.26 | fxiny | plaur: in more then one year no problems atr all . very good performances . i even upgraded to lenny :) |
| 16:55.28 | jelly-home | jaybee: which debian release are you using? |
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| 16:55.58 | fxiny | plaur: i could not belive it : a perfect upgrade ! |
| 16:56.04 | jaybee | jelly-home it also happens with ubuntu on another machine I have that's completely different except it also had a pci hard drive controller |
| 16:56.18 | plaur | fxiny: and your usb stick didn't die yet? which brand? :) |
| 16:56.38 | fxiny | plaur: no usb , i never said usb |
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| 16:57.17 | plaur | fxiny:oh, just clone on the same disk? sorry, i must have misunderstood |
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| 16:57.24 | jaybee | Where are labels stored, in the partition table or filesystem table? |
| 16:57.36 | plaur | but in principle it should be the same |
| 16:57.47 | dvs | jaybee: I think it's in the filesystem |
| 16:58.25 | fxiny | plaur: yes . say you feel that a LUKS system is what you need but you do not feel for a reinstall , just clone it |
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| 16:58.32 | plaur | fxiny: i thought you changed from typed passphrase to keyfiles on usb stick, together with /boot, to close the last hole in an encrypted disk |
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| 16:59.13 | fxiny | plaur: where's the hole ? the freezing ram attack ? a new one ? |
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| 16:59.36 | adb | jaybee: in # kopt=root=/ @ /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:00.00 | amitz | Sorry for asking simple question but "not change" is difficult to google. How to make the inet dhcp of /etc/network/interfaces in client not change default route of a client? Debian lenny. |
| 17:00.01 | plaur | you can't escape the freezing ram attack (not without dedicated chips, but then you have to trust the chip manufacturer) |
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| 17:01.00 | plaur | fxiny: /boot being not encrypted, someone could just boot from a cd and replace the kernel with an "evil" one |
| 17:01.13 | jelly-home | jaybee: I'm sorry. Can you reproduce the issue on a Debian installation? |
| 17:01.14 | olspookishmagus | how do I get this `-- System Information' shown here -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445529 ? |
| 17:01.38 | fxiny | plaur: yes , that's what madduck said in his blog |
| 17:01.42 | fxiny | i know it |
| 17:01.43 | plaur | fxiny: booting a known clean kernel from your usb key prevents that |
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| 17:02.04 | fxiny | plaur: i see . good one |
| 17:02.10 | fxiny | it makes sense |
| 17:02.26 | mavhc | firstly, don't let people boot from cd, lock down your bios |
| 17:02.35 | plaur | fxiny: and this is what uwe hermann showed in his blog, how to install etch on a laptop if paranoia _is_ afetr you... :) |
| 17:02.58 | jelly-home | olspookishmagus: it's generated when using reportbug |
| 17:03.07 | fxiny | plaur: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ |
| 17:03.36 | fxiny | the only decent page i found , that one and debian-administration.org |
| 17:03.38 | Y0Gi | hi. I use Debian Squeeze and stuff worked will until I reconfigured fontconfig-config to get antialiased fonts and subpixel hinting. now X and my WM still start, but as soon as I start any app (firefox, terminal, file manager, ...) X crashes without any notable hints in Xorg.0.log, .xsession-errors or on the console |
| 17:03.48 | Y0Gi | any idea how to trace and fix that? |
| 17:04.00 | fxiny | plaur: googling for uwe hermann :) |
| 17:04.18 | jelly-home | olspookishmagus: both uuids and labels are bound to filesystems, fwiw |
| 17:04.23 | jelly-home | errr |
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| 17:04.34 | jelly-home | jaybee: both uuids and labels are bound to filesystems, fwiw |
| 17:04.42 | Y0Gi | also, it fails independent of what combination of font rendering I choose. ghostscript, libfreetype6 and other packages that might be needed are installed. |
| 17:04.56 | Y0Gi | I'm totally lost on this one as I get no error at all :( |
| 17:05.07 | plaur | fxiny: thanks... i think this was it: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/towards-a-moderately-paranoid-debian-laptop-setup--part-1-base-system |
| 17:06.03 | fxiny | plaur: yes . i'm on it , interesting . thanks to you :) |
| 17:06.23 | plaur | fxiny: uwe is a debian devel, afaik... |
| 17:06.34 | fxiny | yes ? good |
| 17:06.51 | plaur | fxiny: thank _you_, i bookmarked that madduck stuff, looks good |
| 17:07.16 | fxiny | plaur: it is , yes |
| 17:07.30 | fxiny | nice style , nice writing |
| 17:07.48 | fxiny | plaur: of course i'm not related to him ;) |
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| 17:08.13 | plaur | fxiny: yeah, sure... you can you say now... :-D |
| 17:08.47 | ribasushi | xorg |
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| 17:09.13 | fxiny | plaur: a secret : someone told me he likes shaving yaks ... |
| 17:09.52 | plaur | finds fxiny's friends a bit worrying :-P |
| 17:10.44 | fxiny | plaur: no worries , is a positive saying , someone last year in the debconf support chan |
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| 17:11.11 | plaur | fxiny: is this for real, or is this a cultural reference i don't know? not a native speaker... |
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| 17:11.23 | fxiny | plaur: is real |
| 17:11.32 | plaur | fxiny: LOL |
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| 17:11.47 | fxiny | plaur: and is a positive thing , can't remember the conversation atm |
| 17:11.54 | simNIX | On my Lenny I have grub-legacy operational and grub2 added - legacy is setup to load grub2 - I now would like to use grub-mkimage of grub2, only when I man grub-mkimage I see version 1.96 ... how can I be sure I use grub-mkimage of grub2 ? |
| 17:12.10 | fxiny | plaur: not a real shaving ! |
| 17:13.08 | fxiny | plaur: kinda of striving for perfection , something like that |
| 17:13.24 | plaur | fxiny: well, it seems to actually be a pop-culture reference... albeit a recent one |
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| 17:13.43 | plaur | fxiny: from seth godin's blog: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2005/03/dont_shave_that.html |
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| 17:13.57 | fxiny | plaur: yes ? i dunno . sometimes i learn things in a misterious way |
| 17:14.14 | plaur | admits actually having googled for _that_ |
| 17:15.07 | fxiny | i dunno , the reference was a positive rerference , nothing to do with insulting |
| 17:15.11 | plaur | fxiny: yes, that's the nice part - me too :) |
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| 17:16.43 | plaur | it's not really negative if i understand correctly: do whatever it's needed to do the job done... i see it as a good thing |
| 17:16.57 | fxiny | yes ! that one |
| 17:17.04 | plaur | from jargon dictionary: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/yak-shaving.html |
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| 17:18.43 | fxiny | plaur: maybe some of his friedn told me , just to have fun , it doesn't matter , that blog-page is nice |
| 17:19.08 | starenka | anybody has SB Audigy and dont suffer xine problems? i mean f.e. i can';t play music in amarok and watch movie in kaffeine at the same time, or crossfade in amarok. it seems ony one process can occupy the output, which is bad for me :( |
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| 17:20.09 | plaur | fxiny: seth godin's blog is quite famous if you're into marketing and/or starting-your-own-company stuff... quite nice |
| 17:20.18 | cahoot | starenka: can you run two or more instances of speaker-test -t wav? |
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| 17:20.26 | octoserver | why when i go to install kaffeine(which is alredy installed) does apt want to uninstall 76 packages ? |
| 17:20.41 | octoserver | how do i check the status of my package manager? |
| 17:20.43 | starenka | cahoot: lemme try |
| 17:20.45 | azeem | octoserver: it's updating it |
| 17:20.56 | octoserver | no, its removing 76 packages |
| 17:21.01 | octoserver | it shouldnt do anything |
| 17:21.04 | nsadmin | octoserver: most likely is you have mixed dists in your sources.list |
| 17:21.05 | azeem | octoserver: why? |
| 17:21.11 | octoserver | no i dont |
| 17:21.14 | starenka | cahoot: i can |
| 17:21.14 | octoserver | i have all testing |
| 17:21.16 | fxiny | plaur: me into marketing ? maybe banking ? you know who is my business partner ? enouf :P |
| 17:21.27 | ribasushi | recently I started getting this in the Xorg.log |
| 17:21.31 | azeem | octoserver: please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kaffeine" and "apt-get install kaffeine" to a pastebin |
| 17:21.33 | ribasushi | http://scsys.co.uk:8001/30071 |
| 17:21.34 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 17:21.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 17:21.39 | nsadmin | octoserver: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 17:21.40 | fxiny | plaur: ask him :) |
| 17:21.43 | ribasushi | problem is I have a set of Xkb* options on the kbd input device |
| 17:21.44 | cahoot | starenka: ok so alsa is set up just fine, make sure your sond apps output to alsa |
| 17:21.44 | starenka | cahoot: i can, what engine does sound-test use? |
| 17:21.58 | starenka | cahoot: they do |
| 17:22.05 | ribasushi | and now my xkb rules are not honored |
| 17:22.07 | nsadmin | octoserver that do anything? |
| 17:22.09 | ribasushi | where do i stick them> |
| 17:22.10 | ribasushi | ? |
| 17:22.14 | starenka | cahoot: but it allways ends in xine problem |
| 17:22.15 | nsadmin | with a fork |
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| 17:22.41 | plaur | fxiny: :) |
| 17:22.49 | fxiny | plaur: :)) |
| 17:22.52 | cahoot | starenka: see what fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* returns when runnig xine et al |
| 17:23.23 | starenka | starenka@bedna:~$ fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 17:23.23 | starenka | Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory |
| 17:23.23 | starenka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.23 | starenka | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: starenka 11251 F...m kaffeine |
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| 17:23.48 | starenka | ops. wasn't THAT long :) |
| 17:23.55 | azeem | more than three lines |
| 17:24.01 | starenka | silly me |
| 17:24.04 | starenka | sorry |
| 17:24.22 | nsadmin | starenka: true. he showed the pastebin factoid less than a min ago |
| 17:24.46 | octoserver | nsadmin: it seem they are automatically installed and no longer needed i guess it is saying |
| 17:25.03 | cahoot | starenka: and if you run kaffeine and try speaker-test in a terminal? |
| 17:25.12 | nsadmin | octoserver: and you ran that dpkg commnand? |
| 17:25.14 | azeem | octoserver: so it doesn't want to remove the |
| 17:25.16 | azeem | them |
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| 17:25.35 | starenka | cahoot: im watching a movie in kaffeine right now, and both tests (at once) worked |
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| 17:25.53 | octoserver | apt-get told me to run apt-get autoremove to remove them |
| 17:26.18 | starenka | cahoot: i mean, every time i boot, some process i sblocking a sound card. i solve this w/ alsa force-reload... maybe this helps a bit |
| 17:26.20 | cahoot | starenka: ok |
| 17:26.22 | nsadmin | I think it's giving you the option of whether to remove them or not |
| 17:26.27 | octoserver | when i ran aptitude, it didnt really say they were not needed, so i was freaked out that it wanted to remove stuff |
| 17:26.31 | nsadmin | octoserver: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 17:26.33 | octoserver | yea it is |
| 17:26.36 | nsadmin | that do anything? |
| 17:26.40 | starenka | cahoot: thanks for fuser thing, didn't knew ab out that |
| 17:26.42 | octoserver | nsadmin: i did that too and no output |
| 17:26.51 | nsadmin | good, |
| 17:26.59 | cahoot | starenka: run that before reloading alsa next boot |
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| 17:27.03 | nsadmin | so all your packages are configured |
| 17:27.06 | octoserver | nsadmin: what do that do ? |
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| 17:27.22 | starenka | cahoot: yep, i thought of that :0), i guess it's kde, blocking it |
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| 17:27.30 | nsadmin | it would have found packages that are "unpacked" but not "configured" and "configure" them |
| 17:27.41 | cahoot | starenka: wouldn't be a first |
| 17:27.44 | azeem | nsadmin: not sure how that is relevant though |
| 17:27.54 | zak__ | can't i use 2 apllications using the same sound server at the same times?for ex , skype and amarok ? |
| 17:28.00 | nsadmin | azeem: just checking |
| 17:28.11 | octoserver | oh |
| 17:28.16 | azeem | zak__: that's the purpose of a sound server |
| 17:28.19 | nsadmin | soemtimes you never know |
| 17:29.05 | starenka | cahoot: correction I CAN play amarok & kaffeine together |
| 17:29.12 | zak__ | azeem: ican't use skype while while listening to a song, i always get 'pb with audio playback ,'' |
| 17:29.26 | zak__ | how to resolve this ? |
| 17:29.29 | cahoot | starenka: right so you're all set then |
| 17:29.33 | starenka | cahoot: ok, so only oroblem seems the blocked state on the start, which i should troubleshoot w/ fuser you suggested |
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| 17:29.48 | starenka | cahoot: thanks a lot, mate |
| 17:29.57 | cahoot | np |
| 17:30.09 | starenka | i wonder if i can crossfade now :)) |
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| 17:30.19 | nsadmin | octoserver: can you get a list of the packages it's talking about and put them in a pastebin? |
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| 17:31.36 | zak__ | azeem: any idea.? |
| 17:31.40 | starenka | yes! |
| 17:31.43 | azeem | zak__: no |
| 17:32.04 | nsadmin | dpkg has ideas... |
| 17:32.05 | dpkg | nsadmin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 17:32.16 | octoserver | nsadmin: i just let it remove them |
| 17:32.23 | VirusTB_ | zak__: what are you tring to do? |
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| 17:33.03 | octoserver | nsadmin: i dont care anymore. ive been trying to get avi and my dvds to play on here for hours now and im getting ready to install a diffrent distro |
| 17:33.15 | zak__ | VirusTB_: i can't use skype and amarok at the same time , i always get an error message , how to listen to music and use skype ? |
| 17:33.29 | octoserver | nsadmin: ive had no problems with debian for over 2 years now, but now i cant play any videos |
| 17:33.41 | maikeru| | Not sure if this is more appropriate to ask here or in the python channel, but I did an apt-get install of python-openssl and for whatever reason when I go into python, I cannot "import ssl." There is an OpenSSL module, but from what I've seen, it's not the same as the ssl one. Surely the repositories would have support to install the ssl python package? |
| 17:33.43 | octoserver | nsadmin: i cant even run the mplayer program |
| 17:33.55 | nsadmin | octoserver: it might be a good idea for you to keep a journal (i.e., a handwritten book) on your machine and what's installed and how you installed... when it comes to things like this, it might be handy later to have that list for whatever might come up later |
| 17:34.03 | smacnay | Can all thunderbird additions be used in the AMD64 icedove install? Or do they need to be written for 64bit? |
| 17:34.31 | smacnay | octoserver, are you a member of the video group? |
| 17:34.33 | nsadmin | why can't you run mplayer? |
| 17:34.44 | VirusTB | zak__: hmm will try it out my self, u are runnng what system? fedora? ubuntu? .. |
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| 17:35.27 | zak__ | opensuse11.1 |
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| 17:35.46 | starenka | /msg dpkg pastebin | |
| 17:35.50 | starenka | starenka@bedna:~$ fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 17:35.54 | VirusTB | zak__: ok give me a min, will pop in my live cd and give it a shot |
| 17:35.54 | starenka | Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory |
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| 17:36.02 | starenka | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.06 | starenka | /dev/snd/controlC0: starenka 4095 F.... kmix |
| 17:36.07 | starenka | /dev/snd/controlC1: starenka 4095 F.... kmix |
| 17:36.07 | starenka | /dev/snd/controlC2: starenka 4095 F.... kmix |
| 17:36.07 | starenka | fok |
| 17:36.07 | starenka | sorry guys |
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| 17:36.09 | mesa_booger | smacnay: the extensions are agnostic. the plugins need to be 64-bit or you need a wrapper |
| 17:36.09 | zak__ | VirusTB: okay :)thxs dude |
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| 17:36.29 | octoserver | nsadmin: well, ive been using debian testing for over a year now because stable is too old imho |
| 17:36.33 | smacnay | mesa_booger, ok, thanks |
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| 17:36.36 | cahoot | starenka: that's ok - only means you don't have alsas oss emulation |
| 17:37.05 | octoserver | nsadmin: i just do updates from the debian repos to play it safe, but this tome something went wrong lol |
| 17:37.23 | nsadmin | is that why can't you run mplayer? |
| 17:37.56 | nsadmin | s/can't you/you can't/ |
| 17:38.18 | octoserver | nsadmin: not sure, but i have avi files that ive been able to play for a year nowwww and all of a sudden, non of the apps can play them? |
| 17:38.19 | fxiny | octoserver: i do not have this /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0 , which debian flavour are you running ? |
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| 17:38.30 | octoserver | i have all of the xvid crap installed |
| 17:38.41 | nsadmin | what happens when you try to run mplayer? |
| 17:38.47 | octoserver | fxiny: testing |
| 17:38.49 | nsadmin | does it give yhou some kind of error? |
| 17:38.53 | octoserver | yea |
| 17:38.58 | octoserver | one sec |
| 17:39.16 | nsadmin | don't be like the silly dude, pastebin it :) |
| 17:39.19 | octoserver | mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libschroedinger-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8 |
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| 17:39.32 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 17:39.35 | octoserver | ive purged everything I can and reinstalled and no change |
| 17:39.43 | VirusTB | zak__: i seem to have the same issue with that Skype and amrok |
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| 17:39.57 | zak__ | VirusTB: same error message? |
| 17:39.58 | nsadmin | this shrodinger thingy may need upgrading |
| 17:40.24 | VirusTB | zak__: what message did you get, i know thay just dont work |
| 17:40.29 | octoserver | would that be hosing all of my ability to play avi and h264 ? |
| 17:40.40 | zak__ | probel with audio playack |
| 17:40.43 | nsadmin | not sure, but it's a possibiility |
| 17:40.44 | zak__ | problem |
| 17:40.51 | VirusTB | zak__: i think it has something to do with the sound/audio playback |
| 17:41.02 | zak__ | yep |
| 17:41.03 | nsadmin | that lib could be in common to all your movie playing apps |
| 17:41.15 | VirusTB | zak__: got the same thing |
| 17:41.32 | octoserver | i cant even play mpeg4 in vlc(which is bulletproof) |
| 17:41.41 | zak__ | VirusTB: means that skype uses the sound server ? doesn't it ? |
| 17:42.09 | octoserver | it has been well over a year for this install which made it from etch to here and I think its time for a dum/reload lol |
| 17:42.24 | craigevil | octoserver: have you tried removing the config files for these apps in your ~/home |
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| 17:43.52 | VirusTB | zak__: seems so, im google'ing it now |
| 17:44.00 | octoserver | trying now |
| 17:45.15 | octoserver | xine compains that i dont have a xvid plugin, kaffeine doesnt complain but only gives me audio |
| 17:46.31 | octoserver | ive purged and reinstalled everything, and even did a full-update to kde4 , and the problem has not changed |
| 17:46.40 | octoserver | some file in the repo is screwed? |
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| 17:47.17 | octoserver | ive purged all avi, dvd, xvid, ffmpeg, gstreamer , and all of the libs and apps lol |
| 17:47.48 | craigevil | octoserver: try reinstalling libxine1-ffmpeg and libxine1-plugins |
| 17:48.05 | Badgermaster | Is there any way to check when they're adding a new kernel to the squeeze repos? |
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| 17:49.23 | dvs | Badgermaster: sid? |
| 17:49.28 | ajavid | !w32codecs |
| 17:49.28 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 17:49.54 | ajavid | dvs yo |
| 17:50.02 | dvs | nes! |
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| 17:50.16 | ajavid | dvs, Nyle says hi |
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| 17:50.36 | dvs | ajavid: how do you know Nyle? |
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| 17:50.50 | ajavid | cuz its me! |
| 17:50.51 | Badgermaster | dvs: Not which one, but when |
| 17:51.07 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:51.10 | dvs | Badgermaster: oh, there's no idea |
| 17:51.20 | ajavid | got you! whats up man, long time no see |
| 17:51.24 | dvs | ajavid: Are you a spy or something? Why so many ailiases? ;-) |
| 17:51.38 | Badgermaster | =/ |
| 17:51.43 | ajavid | stoned was when I was stoned |
| 17:52.05 | ajavid | like 24/7, and Nyle is my birthname from dead granfather, but this is my real name :) |
| 17:52.10 | JyZyXEL | didn't someone say packages from unstable go to testing in 10 days? |
| 17:52.15 | dvs | ajavid: And now you're not yourself? ;-) |
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| 17:52.25 | ajavid | I've always been myself |
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| 17:52.29 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: very random |
| 17:52.31 | ajavid | dvs, dude I've been sober for a long time |
| 17:52.34 | ajavid | dvs, its great man |
| 17:52.39 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: some packages never come out from unstable |
| 17:52.41 | dvs | disagrees |
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| 17:52.45 | octoserver | craigevil: i did that about 3 times |
| 17:52.58 | Badgermaster | I get an error flooding the tty's and filling up my hdd-space with logs saying Bad: scheduling from the idle thread |
| 17:53.01 | ajavid | dvs, #debian-chat |
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| 17:53.19 | OpenTokix | Badgermaster: sounds pretty bad |
| 17:53.38 | wald0 | it is normal that my nvidia card doesn't support 32 depth colors ? i have tried to set it on my xorg.conf but there's an error saying that |
| 17:53.47 | craigevil | octoserver: as much as I hate to use synaptic, try using it and make sure all the recommends for things like xine, kaffeine, amarok, mplayer, vlc are all installed |
| 17:54.15 | Badgermaster | I've tried stoping stoping rsyslog and bootlogd but it still continues. Some forums says it's because of klogd, but that's not installed on my system |
| 17:54.27 | xand | wald0: mine doesn't either, only 24 |
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| 17:54.48 | plaur | JyZyXEL: i said that, but i said they come in 10 days without critical bugs, not that they come out anyway... :) |
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| 17:55.36 | craigevil | octoserver: including w32codecs, ffmpeg, etc, kaffeine, mplayer, amaork all work with no issues here but I run sid, one would assume they would work just as well in testing |
| 17:56.07 | plaur | JyZyXEL: if they're buggy, they never come out... and in addition to that, packages that depend on such a buggy package will also not leave unstable (since they wouldn't be installable) |
| 17:56.21 | xingu | Badgermaster: echo "3 4 1 7" >/proc/sys/kernel/printk to get it back under control |
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| 17:56.45 | plaur | JyZyXEL: 10 days is the minimum delay between testing and unstable... there's no maximum |
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| 17:56.52 | Badgermaster | xingu: I have to do that every time it starts flooding? |
| 17:57.00 | mozzz | how can I have \part{my \\ first part} but "my first part" (without linebreaker) in the table of contents? |
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| 17:57.07 | xingu | Badgermaster: you can add it to /etc/sysctl.conf to persist across reboots |
| 17:57.20 | xingu | Badgermaster: but really, you need to find the buggy driver or whatever. |
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| 17:58.03 | Devilholk | What's this? |
| 17:58.06 | Devilholk | 18:52 [freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) |
| 17:58.10 | Devilholk | 18:52 [freenode] DCC SEND from Bawstarski [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 17:58.13 | Devilholk | 18:57 [freenode] DCC aborted receiving file startkeylogger from Bawstarski |
| 17:58.53 | tingle | Devilholk: someone tried to send you a keylogger but failed |
| 17:59.02 | Devilholk | But it's 0 bytes? |
| 17:59.06 | wald0 | xand: im asking that because is strange but i see like im not on full 16 MB of colors.. i can see "layers" on the gradients |
| 17:59.06 | Pricey | Devilholk: Please don't repeat those things, just incase :) |
| 17:59.08 | plaur | Devilholk: "(s)he" tried this earlier today, with me and probably other people... must be an evil bot |
| 17:59.10 | enouf | Devilholk: put all that into a pastebin and tell freenode staff - try #freenode - don't repaste that stuff into channels |
| 17:59.11 | Devilholk | Could it be a command to start a allready installed keylogger? |
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| 17:59.33 | Devilholk | enouf: sorry |
| 17:59.42 | fxiny | same here , anyone else ? |
| 17:59.52 | tingle | me too |
| 18:00.01 | fxiny | seen ? |
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| 18:00.17 | plaur | for me, not this time... just earlier |
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| 18:00.29 | cockroach | too, couple minues ago |
| 18:00.38 | cockroach | minutes, even |
| 18:01.06 | enouf | or get the attention of any channel operator -- only because, these larger channels especially, have certain keywords highlighting the ops and staff (that is all at once) .. or atleast at one time it was that way- i wouldn't want you to be misunderstood ;-) |
| 18:01.13 | enouf | Devilholk: ^^^ |
| 18:02.02 | Devilholk | =P |
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| 18:02.21 | HardDisk_WP | is this possible: NSLU2 w/ DVB-T tuner streaming the *raw* data to a VLC client on network? |
| 18:02.39 | HardDisk_WP | I need the raw data to stream because the nslu2 has not enough processing power |
| 18:02.42 | HardDisk_WP | for recoding |
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| 18:03.47 | fxiny | found him ---> 18:52 -!- Bawstarski [n=Help@32.132.177.196] has joined #debian |
| 18:04.08 | fxiny | same time in my timestamps |
| 18:04.31 | enouf | Devilholk: one thing i used to do was '/mode <nickname> +E' and '+C' for myself once they changed policy some 6-12 months ago concerning non-regged nicks - but i'm sure all that has been altered, again, etc etc -- flux capacitance baby! - more about those here; http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 18:05.20 | fxiny | can't do things like that to my irssi ... |
| 18:05.29 | fxiny | he can die slowly :P |
| 18:05.36 | enouf | fxiny: a /whowas <nick> is all it took :-p |
| 18:05.56 | enouf | fxiny: see then the [status] window :-) |
| 18:05.58 | Devilholk | fxiny: I used /lastlog bawstarski join |
| 18:06.47 | fxiny | enouf: but he did it one hour ago ! |
| 18:07.08 | fxiny | Devilholk: ok |
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| 18:08.12 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: from memory vlc itself is capable of streaming the transport stream |
| 18:08.26 | fxiny | enouf: do you rememer which user runs my irssi ? i'm sure i told you , dechutes maffffia ;) |
| 18:08.33 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, thanx |
| 18:08.39 | robewald | hi, what is the purpose of /etc/passwd-? My google fu fails me and gives me just results for /etc/passwd |
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| 18:09.03 | jelly-home | robewald: a backup copy? |
| 18:09.51 | mesa_booger | robewald: it is a devilish ploy to suck out the minds of the unwary |
| 18:09.53 | plaur | robewald: it's for backup, just as group- and shadow- |
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| 18:10.29 | robewald | I see. When is the backup generated? |
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| 18:13.48 | plaur | robewald: i think it's not automatically done (via cron), but when passwd/shadow/group are nicely changed |
| 18:13.59 | mesa_booger | let's see. when is the backup generated. hmmm. maybe it's when the file was last modified by a legit system process. or maybe they are randomly generated according to the phase of the moon |
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| 18:14.25 | ghetto | hi all |
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| 18:14.35 | plaur | robewald: by the install scripts of the packages or by you, via adduser/deluser/vipw/etc. |
| 18:14.35 | octoserver | craigevil: they did work fine untill yesterday i believe |
| 18:14.55 | octoserver | oh well, going down to reaload yehaw |
| 18:15.14 | enouf | fxiny: haha ... we're makin a killin :-p |
| 18:15.25 | plaur | ghetto: please don't say hi - with 955 people here, imagine if everyone would start greeting you back... |
| 18:15.30 | fxiny | enouf: heheheh |
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| 18:16.53 | robewald | mesa_booger: I take the phase of the moon. That is not uncommon for computer systems ;-) |
| 18:17.33 | fxiny | i have an eye for magnetars radiations :) |
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| 18:19.02 | mozzz | \setlength\parindent{-3em} indents all the following paragraphs except for the first one. why? |
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| 18:19.34 | __jimbo__ | im using netwprk-manager 0.6.6 is there anyway to update it to 7.0 with apt-get ? |
| 18:19.40 | __jimbo__ | network* |
| 18:20.01 | __jimbo__ | i need support for modbile broadband |
| 18:20.08 | __jimbo__ | mobile* |
| 18:20.11 | xingu | fxiny: Salvatore Miceli by any chance? |
| 18:20.21 | JyZyXEL | how did you get a nice list of the packages that were installed from different debian repo than what you using? |
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| 18:20.45 | JyZyXEL | like i just upgraded to squeeze and would like to know if i still have lenny packages left |
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| 18:21.49 | __jimbo__ | or can i uninstall nm without taking deps off so i can install from source |
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| 18:22.47 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: apt-show-versions |
| 18:23.26 | fxiny | xingu: nahhh a sparkling boss : Dom Vito Perignon :P |
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| 18:24.16 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler, what package is apt-show in? |
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| 18:24.38 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:24.50 | xingu | fxiny: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aVZdnZQRYYPs <-- if you're missing the reference |
| 18:25.17 | JyZyXEL | didnd't work |
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| 18:25.25 | JyZyXEL | the bot is down i think |
| 18:25.28 | nkuttler | !test |
| 18:25.29 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:25.37 | JyZyXEL | see |
| 18:25.37 | Shadowcat | dpkg: hello |
| 18:25.37 | dpkg | niihau |
| 18:25.39 | ghetto | Which is the fastest desktop environment on debian 5.01 ? |
| 18:25.44 | JyZyXEL | !search apt-show |
| 18:25.52 | nkuttler | !tell JyZyXEL about search |
| 18:25.53 | fxiny | ghetto: xmonad |
| 18:26.02 | nkuttler | !tell JyZyXEL about apt-file |
| 18:26.33 | nkuttler | ghetto: i like openbox |
| 18:26.41 | __jimbo__ | fluxbox nice too |
| 18:26.59 | fxiny | xingu: yes , yes |
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| 18:27.04 | starenka | hi, i;m unable to disable a module (tried blacklist / blacklist.local.conf && reconfigure), but no luck. any ideas? |
| 18:27.09 | ghetto | thanks :) |
| 18:27.21 | craigevil | ghetto: de probably LXDE, although any of the window managers will be faster |
| 18:27.37 | JyZyXEL | what the hell |
| 18:27.47 | fxiny | tiling is beautiful |
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| 18:27.55 | mesa_booger | starenka: it might be in your initrd. the best way is to delete the sucker, and then remake your initrd |
| 18:28.09 | mesa_booger | ducks |
| 18:28.16 | JyZyXEL | apt-show-versions |grep lenny |
| 18:28.27 | JyZyXEL | is that how you see lenny packages? |
| 18:28.32 | starenka | mesa_booger: i didn;t throw anything :)) |
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| 18:29.02 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: might be stable |
| 18:29.13 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: anyway, | less and read |
| 18:29.43 | JyZyXEL | xserver-xorg-video-radeon/squeeze uptodate 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 |
| 18:29.52 | JyZyXEL | ok what the heck does that even mean |
| 18:29.59 | JyZyXEL | it says both squeeze and lenny |
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| 18:30.39 | nkuttler | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 18:30.40 | judd | nkuttler: xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 squeeze: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 sid: 1:6.12.2-2 |
| 18:30.49 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: correct |
| 18:30.55 | mozzz | \setlength\parindent{-3em} indents all the following paragraphs except for the first one. why? |
| 18:31.00 | JyZyXEL | mhmm i see |
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| 18:31.37 | JyZyXEL | !kernels |
| 18:31.40 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.30, snapshot: 2.6.30-git17, 2.4: 2.4.37.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 18:32.11 | JyZyXEL | do all debian releases use the same kernel? |
| 18:32.24 | dvs | JyZyXEL: no |
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| 18:32.36 | JyZyXEL | guess lenny and squeeze are on the same kernel then |
| 18:32.38 | fxiny | 2.6.30 ? |
| 18:32.47 | fxiny | stable ? |
| 18:32.48 | JyZyXEL | !debian kernels |
| 18:32.57 | nkuttler | fxiny: that's kernel.org |
| 18:33.04 | fxiny | nkuttler: ok |
| 18:33.07 | JyZyXEL | wish it would give the debian kernels |
| 18:33.09 | digijohn | Hi. I have a T22 laptop with the S3 Savage IX8+ video card; I've hooked it up to an external LCD that supports rotation. I tried setting Option "Rotate" "CCW" in my xorg.conf but the monitor simply said "no signal". Any tips for getting this working? |
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| 18:33.26 | JyZyXEL | but no |
| 18:33.27 | azeem | judd: versions linux-2.6 |
| 18:33.27 | judd | azeem: linux-2.6 -- |
| 18:33.31 | azeem | pfft |
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| 18:34.01 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 squeeze |
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| 18:35.08 | enouf | JyZyXEL: usually, and i'm sure you were told at one time via another; best thing for newer software in Stable, is backports.org, next best is making your own - and lastly, pinning (for corner cases) |
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| 18:35.35 | enouf | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release squeeze |
| 18:35.35 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:35.42 | mesa_booger | enouf: unless you have kde3 in testing, in which case, pinning is the only sane option |
| 18:35.52 | enouf | azeem: ITYM ^^^ |
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| 18:36.06 | JyZyXEL | enouf, naww i wanna see testing =D |
| 18:36.19 | enouf | mesa_booger: indeed - but we won't discuss my DE bias anymore ! :-p |
| 18:36.37 | fxiny | what's wrong with lenny ? |
| 18:36.42 | enouf | JyZyXEL: 1st thing, /msg dpkg releases :-p |
| 18:36.59 | fxiny | everyone wants squeeze , new hardware ? |
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| 18:37.25 | dvs | fxiny: etch is already too old. ;-) |
| 18:37.25 | enouf | judd: depends linux-image-686 --release testing |
| 18:37.26 | judd | enouf: linux-image-686 -- Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:37.29 | enouf | heh |
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| 18:38.15 | craigevil | squeeze pfft!, SID :P |
| 18:38.30 | dvs | living on the edge! |
| 18:38.49 | JyZyXEL | omggg its so pretty! |
| 18:39.08 | JyZyXEL | to the point where everything crashes of course |
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| 18:43.05 | fxiny | dvs: i wish i could run woody again , that was fun : kernel transition , fast desktops env , i had to run sid . every borkage was welcomed , a thrill :P |
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| 18:43.30 | fxiny | lenny is even better then etch ! i do almost nothing :P |
| 18:43.37 | zak_ | any one owuld help me please , i got sound issues while playing music and using skype |
| 18:43.43 | dvs | fxiny: Get a Core 2 Quad like I did! ;-) |
| 18:44.50 | fxiny | dvs: i want some intevil i7 power saving . still too expensive , i wait . but yes ! i know what you mean :) |
| 18:45.20 | dvs | fxiny: Power saving? Bleh! |
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| 18:46.55 | fxiny | dvs: yes ? is it just marketing ? |
| 18:47.10 | fxiny | another intevil tricks ? |
| 18:47.28 | dvs | fxiny: Unless I was using a laptop, I wouldn't be so concerned about power saving. |
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| 18:48.33 | fxiny | dvs: shutting down unused cores seems logic |
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| 18:48.47 | enouf | dynamic tick! |
| 18:48.55 | fxiny | that one ! |
| 18:49.00 | dvs | fxiny: But the kernel has so many threads going it doesn't matter |
| 18:49.15 | enouf | lesswatts.org - or just use hotplug CPU :-p |
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| 18:49.56 | enouf | JyZyXEL: if you can't handle an occassional crash, perhaps we should revoke your driving privileges :-P |
| 18:50.09 | dvs | or get more insurance. |
| 18:50.15 | fxiny | dvs: anyway i7 is too f* expensive |
| 18:50.21 | dvs | yup |
| 18:50.27 | dvs | dunno about the i5 yet |
| 18:50.28 | enouf | dvs: $$$, yes, the answer to everything :-) |
| 18:51.05 | dvs | if it doesn't work, throw money at it. ;-) |
| 18:51.51 | enouf | and if that doesn't work - throw more $ at it .. and in the meanwhile; allow theivery and bribery :-) |
| 18:52.04 | dvs | and stealery? |
| 18:52.40 | enouf | i'd like to steel-ery some, yes .. all about the head with a | |
| 18:52.42 | enouf | :-p |
| 18:53.26 | enouf | oh BTW, Happy F Day :-) .. i'm afk for a bit .. |
| 18:53.33 | fxiny | dvs: we can buy sun hardware at the oracle boot-sale :P |
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| 18:53.50 | xingu | enouf: have you ever considered a career in banking? |
| 18:53.51 | dvs | boot-sale? That's a laught |
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| 18:54.11 | enouf | senses more than 50 others gasping a collective sigh of relief O_o |
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| 18:54.44 | enouf | xingu: sure - of the Fractional Reserve order .. problem is; i need to 1st be able to buy a Bank ;-) |
| 18:55.09 | xingu | enouf: they're surprisingly inexpensive to incorporate |
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| 18:55.39 | enouf | starts one then ... anyways - gotta boogie .. ciao till later good people |
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| 18:57.43 | fxiny | plaur: seen how my business partner runs away with the cash ? :P |
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| 18:57.44 | olspookishmagus | is there anywhere any showcase of reportbug? |
| 18:57.44 | nkuttler | olspookishmagus: ? |
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| 18:58.24 | plaur | fxiny: :) |
| 18:58.52 | zimmermt | hi there, I got a new laptop with a ati 4570 graphics card. I googled and saw so many different ways.. what is the best way to install the ati drivers to have 3D performance? fglrx from the deb repo or the binary from the ati homepage? |
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| 18:59.39 | nkuttler | zimmermt: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 18:59.53 | zimmermt | ok. that's stable? |
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| 19:00.20 | zimmermt | because I installed kernel 2.6.30 and killed my X. Keyboard is not responding, screen stays black |
| 19:00.53 | plaur | zimmermt: binary, proprietary drivers sometimes do that... :) |
| 19:01.07 | zimmermt | to say, installing kernel 2.6.30 didn't kill my X. But installing the fglrx drivers from the repo |
| 19:01.30 | zimmermt | yeah, thaT's the problem when you wanna have 3d wit ATI... :-( |
| 19:01.34 | plaur | zimmermt: they work with a specific kernel, not necessarily with others |
| 19:01.55 | olspookishmagus | nkuttler: do I get to preview what's about to be sent before it gets sent? |
| 19:02.05 | nkuttler | olspookishmagus: kind of, yes |
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| 19:02.45 | olspookishmagus | I'm having trouble with metacity... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445529 && http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533917 |
| 19:03.00 | olspookishmagus | does it matter to make a bug report for unstable? :) |
| 19:03.08 | plaur | zimmermt: if stability is a concern (as opposed to speed), intel graphics is the way to go... |
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| 19:03.18 | digijohn | anybody used the savage driver to do rotation? |
| 19:03.45 | plaur | zimmermt: although some pleople speak high of nvidia drivers... not that it's any consolation for you :-D |
| 19:04.07 | zimmermt | plaur: yeah, works fine in my eeePC, but can't change the graCard now in the big laptop. |
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| 19:05.33 | plaur | zimmermt: the open-source drivers don't work with that card? |
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| 19:07.18 | zimmermt | plaur: honestly, I don't know yet. My debian is booting up to: ... starting kdm. Then twice a flickr, and then everything stays black. No reaction on anything. Adding 3 (foor init 3) in grub doesn't prevent grub / debian to start kdm... my HDDs are encrypted... to I will burn a rescure CD and try to do something... purge the fglrx first |
| 19:07.47 | nkuttler | zimmermt: give the vesa driver a try |
| 19:07.57 | havocologe | what could be the origin of "doing sanity checks (startup)" ?? |
| 19:08.10 | havocologe | after an update the system hangs on reboot |
| 19:08.14 | zimmermt | nkuttler: ok. First I need to access my system |
| 19:08.32 | plaur | zimmermt: vesa will certainly work |
| 19:08.38 | nkuttler | zimmermt: can't you ssh in? |
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| 19:09.32 | zimmermt | nkuttler: At them oment I'm sitting in the university with this desktop. My laptop is next to me |
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| 19:12.17 | plaur | zimmermt: after some googling... ati 4570 should be supported by the open-source radeonhd driver, starting with version 1.2.4 |
| 19:12.40 | plaur | zimmermt: that means sid for you, mister! :-P |
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| 19:13.17 | plaur | zimmermt: lenny and squeeze are still at 1.2.1, while sid has 1.2.5 |
| 19:14.16 | zimmermt | plaur: I know. ThaT's why I don't except any support. I only wanna know what is the best way to ?D. fglrx from debian or from the ati page |
| 19:14.27 | zimmermt | sorry: 3D |
| 19:14.58 | zimmermt | I always had nvidia before, I know how to install these modules, but so many choices for ati ;) |
| 19:15.28 | plaur | zimmermt: fglrx from debian probably works best with the debian kernel - good luck |
| 19:16.00 | zimmermt | plaur: ok. cheers! |
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| 19:40.19 | EricBlade | lol wtf... "apt-get install python-coherence" - The following extra packages will be installed: *list of over 400 packages* |
| 19:41.19 | bzed | EricBlade: what are you using? unstable? testing? |
| 19:41.38 | EricBlade | "damn small linux" upgraded to stable |
| 19:41.59 | bzed | I'm not sure if there is a sane uprade path for that |
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| 19:42.29 | EricBlade | it wasn't really sane, but it worked :) ohh.. I see why. the package description for Coherence says that it's a library of functions for dealing with UPNP in Python. Which sounded good. |
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| 19:42.40 | EricBlade | Coherencei s actually an entire media server. That's not good. |
| 19:44.43 | EricBlade | I figured if I had a "library of functions for dealing with UPNP in Python", I could make a simple app that would open my web server on my firewall on boot |
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| 19:51.29 | nkuttler | EricBlade: #damnsmalllinux |
| 19:52.39 | EricBlade | well now I have "damn small etch" :) |
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| 19:55.01 | nkuttler | EricBlade: actually, you have EricBlade's mishmash. you should consider installing a real debian system. |
| 19:55.48 | EricBlade | nkuttler: except I see no indications that debian will install in very low ram conditions. |
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| 19:58.33 | WastePotato | EMEL- is an on join spam bot. |
| 19:59.33 | nkuttler | !ops EMEL- onjoin spam according to WastePotato |
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| 19:59.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nkuttler complains about: EMEL- onjoin spam according to WastePotato |
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| 19:59.41 | nkuttler | EricBlade: how much ram? |
| 19:59.52 | EricBlade | nkuttler: 32mb |
| 19:59.53 | WastePotato | Lawl. |
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| 20:00.27 | tomaw | nkuttler: ta |
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| 20:03.24 | nkuttler | EricBlade: see install guide, 6.3.1.1 |
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| 20:06.01 | nereali | http://my-first-time-naked.net/?id=3219350 |
| 20:06.11 | nkuttler | !ops nereali |
| 20:06.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nkuttler complains about: nereali |
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| 20:06.28 | Bryanstein | pfff |
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| 20:10.09 | asterisc | hey guys, I get a weird kernel problem: NMI received for unknown b1 (Dazed an confused, but tryting to continue) |
| 20:10.11 | asterisc | any idead ? |
| 20:10.13 | asterisc | *ideas |
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| 20:10.36 | JyZyXEL | where is the dmesg located in filesystem? |
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| 20:11.07 | asterisc | what do you mean? (/bin/dmesg) ? |
| 20:11.57 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: which dmesg, or locate dmesg |
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| 20:12.41 | asterisc | which dmesg -> /bin/dmesg |
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| 20:36.16 | dustybin | are there any decent official linux groups on facebook? |
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| 20:42.29 | korhojoa | lol wut. someone tried to send a keylogger? |
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| 20:45.35 | MadMoney | dustybin: Maybe on Myspace. |
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| 20:46.34 | WastePotato | korhojoa: ? |
| 20:48.02 | korhojoa | 19:52:45 [freenode] DCC SEND from Bawstarski [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 20:49.04 | fefo | same in my client |
| 20:49.09 | tingle | yer mine too |
| 20:49.15 | tingle | alot of people complained about it |
| 20:49.19 | jelly-home | how many hours ago? |
| 20:49.22 | tingle | just pm freenode staff i quess |
| 20:49.46 | korhojoa | this was four hours ago |
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| 20:49.57 | jelly-home | already been dealt with |
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| 20:50.03 | fefo | 4 hours ago |
| 20:50.09 | xand | korhojoa: it doesn't send a keylogger, it kills people with certain routers |
| 20:50.17 | xand | korhojoa: read what happened in channel at that time c.c |
| 20:50.20 | korhojoa | uhh. |
| 20:50.21 | korhojoa | okay |
| 20:51.20 | rudi_s_ | xand: Do you have more information on this attack? How is this possible? |
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| 20:51.43 | fefo | try google |
| 20:51.49 | korhojoa | 9 people got d/c'd. what the deuce? also, he quit soon after, from using a mobile device, apparently19:53:06 -!- Bawstarski [n=Help@32.132.177.196] has quit ["jmIrc destroyed by the OS"] |
| 20:52.09 | rudi_s_ | will do |
| 20:52.40 | korhojoa | xand: not a router thing, it's norton being a fuckwad. |
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| 20:52.52 | xand | ok... there is a router one which is very similar |
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| 20:53.34 | xand | apparently some linksys and netgear routers are also affected |
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| 20:54.15 | korhojoa | apparently, yeah. dcc sends with filenames 14 chars or longer break |
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| 20:55.34 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a commandline, ultra-lightweight audio player= |
| 20:55.55 | Zharf | define "ultra-lightweight" |
| 20:56.12 | HardDisk_WP | runs fluently and with low RAM impact on a NSLU2 (ARM) |
| 20:56.21 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: formats/codecs that you want to be able to play? |
| 20:56.22 | patrikf | HardDisk_WP: what type of audio? |
| 20:56.27 | HardDisk_WP | MP3 |
| 20:56.31 | patrikf | mpg321 |
| 20:56.33 | HardDisk_WP | and maybe ogg vorbis |
| 20:56.47 | maligor | mpd might work too |
| 20:56.55 | patrikf | was just going to suggest that too |
| 20:57.00 | HardDisk_WP | k, i'll try mpg123 |
| 20:57.01 | Zharf | xmms2 |
| 20:57.03 | Zharf | :) |
| 20:57.08 | Zharf | mplayer also |
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| 20:57.19 | patrikf | HardDisk_WP: mpd has the advantage of being designed for control from multiple computers |
| 20:57.31 | Zharf | patrikf, yet xmms2 is better at it |
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| 20:57.52 | patrikf | Zharf: don't think so |
| 20:57.54 | Ponce | Anyone have a suggestion of a wireless usb adapter that works well with lenny? |
| 20:57.57 | patrikf | apart from that, it's not commandline |
| 20:58.00 | maligor | xmms2 probably has a larger memory footprint |
| 20:58.01 | Zharf | patrikf, what? |
| 20:58.04 | Zharf | what? |
| 20:58.07 | maligor | but that's just a guess |
| 20:58.10 | Zharf | facepalms |
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| 20:58.15 | Zharf | I'm an xmms2 developer :< |
| 20:58.19 | patrikf | Zharf: xmms2 is not a command-line application |
| 20:58.23 | maligor | nslu2 has 32mb ram |
| 20:58.32 | Zharf | patrikf, read what I just said |
| 20:58.46 | Zharf | patrikf, you've obviously never even tried it |
| 20:58.51 | HardDisk_WP | patrikf, it is, with the right frontend |
| 20:59.11 | maligor | Zharf, the server/client is just a pita imo ;) |
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| 20:59.51 | Zharf | maligor, meh, I don't like my music to stop when X crashes |
| 21:00.04 | maligor | your X crashes? |
| 21:00.04 | patrikf | how often does your X crash?! |
| 21:00.10 | Zharf | weekly |
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| 21:00.23 | Zharf | just a few hours ago last time |
| 21:00.28 | maligor | sounds like somethings badly wrong with your system :P |
| 21:00.35 | tingle | that definiatly not normal |
| 21:00.40 | maligor | or you're using drivers from git |
| 21:00.40 | Zharf | sounds like something wrong with intel drivers |
| 21:00.41 | Zharf | sure |
| 21:00.48 | maligor | oh.. intel |
| 21:00.50 | j`ey | after apt-get-ing openntp, is ther anything I need to do? |
| 21:00.57 | j`ey | cos it didnt change the time.. |
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| 21:01.55 | patrikf | Zharf: btw, the xmms2 page either a) lacks screenshots or b) a good navigation ;-) |
| 21:02.14 | Zharf | patrikf, there's nothing to take a screenshot from o.O |
| 21:02.14 | maligor | patrikf, screenshots of what? |
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| 21:03.11 | patrikf | I thought xmms2 evolved from xmms? besides, the page mentions "GTK and KDE clients"... |
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| 21:03.28 | Zharf | nope it didn't |
| 21:03.29 | izua | um, why are people still using the startkeylogger explot on linksys router in this channel? :/ |
| 21:03.36 | nkuttler | patrikf: xmms2 has a client/server structure |
| 21:03.38 | Zharf | it only has the same name because it was started by the same people |
| 21:03.53 | maligor | with plugins! |
| 21:03.53 | Zharf | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/Screenshots |
| 21:03.57 | Zharf | if you insist! |
| 21:03.57 | patrikf | so where are the clients? |
| 21:04.23 | nkuttler | btw, quodlibet is a great audio player for huge collections |
| 21:04.36 | Zharf | patrikf, it clearly says "Clients" on the sidemenu |
| 21:04.50 | patrikf | yeah, found it now... |
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| 21:05.09 | patrikf | well, didn't know about xmms2 before, and I really think you could have chosen a less confusing name :) |
| 21:05.23 | j`ey | so, no-one knows about openntp? |
| 21:05.31 | Zharf | patrikf, I know, I keep telling otheers about that too |
| 21:05.38 | nkuttler | j`ey: try /usr/share/doc/package |
| 21:05.44 | Zharf | people keep thinking it's another winamp clone or something crap like thata |
| 21:06.38 | Zharf | but then, coming up with names sucks |
| 21:06.53 | j`ey | nkuttler: none there |
| 21:06.53 | Zharf | I would've probably called it xyzzy because foobar is already taken |
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| 21:14.22 | JyZyXEL | haha the new kde4 is a joke :p |
| 21:14.39 | maligor | what new kde4? |
| 21:14.46 | JyZyXEL | KDE 4.2 |
| 21:15.14 | maligor | it's a clear improvement over 4.1 |
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| 21:16.43 | hoxu | maligor, well, I ranted about my kde 4.2 experiences and started getting referrals with keywords "kde 4.2 sucks", so I guess there are people who agree... |
| 21:16.44 | starenka | what kde does squeeze have? |
| 21:16.52 | JyZyXEL | that one |
| 21:17.11 | adb | Zharf: known issue ? on lenny http://paste.debian.net/39862/ |
| 21:17.12 | starenka | which? |
| 21:17.17 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 21:17.25 | JyZyXEL | 4.2 i guess |
| 21:17.37 | starenka | blah |
| 21:17.45 | adb | !kde4 |
| 21:17.45 | dpkg | kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2009/03/msg00072.html <Experimental> packages are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde (on irc.debian.org), not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 21:17.45 | starenka | pitty |
| 21:17.49 | JyZyXEL | it was horribly slow |
| 21:17.52 | maligor | I like it more than kde 3, but still prefer gnome |
| 21:17.59 | asterisc | sqeeze comes with 4.2.4 |
| 21:18.03 | JyZyXEL | also everything was so big it was just not usable at all |
| 21:18.20 | Zharf | adb, is it running already? <.< |
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| 21:18.39 | JyZyXEL | but it sure looks cool and modern! |
| 21:18.46 | adb | i don't know |
| 21:18.48 | hoxu | maligor, stability- and functionality-wise 4.2 is a failure in comparison to 3.x, but meh... amarok is another reason why I'm starting to feel distros should just fork projects that seem to be drowning in insanity |
| 21:18.50 | JyZyXEL | you just can use it for anything other than that |
| 21:18.53 | Zharf | adb, ps aux | grep xmms2d |
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| 21:20.20 | maligor | hoxu, you mean people should clone eachother more in interfaces? |
| 21:20.29 | adb | Zharf: http://paste.debian.net/39863/ |
| 21:20.49 | Zharf | adb, so that would be a "yes, it is running already" |
| 21:21.11 | adb | oh, thanks you |
| 21:21.12 | Zharf | adb, you probably did something with xmms2 command before, by default it starts xmms2d if it isn't runningg |
| 21:21.23 | maligor | hoxu, you propose to fall into the same pit microsoft lingers in ;) |
| 21:21.36 | maligor | they don't want to change it too much because people would rise up in rebellion |
| 21:21.47 | adb | Zharf: you right .. |
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| 21:22.19 | hoxu | maligor, well... I just mean, when upstream is clearly out of their mind, the distros could and should use their powers a bit... but I guess it's a matter of lacking resources |
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| 21:22.57 | maligor | hoxu, if you look at the Big Desktop Distributions, they have some really strange ideas about upstream |
| 21:23.26 | maligor | they don't just use the latest stable version, they infact use the latest snapshot quite often |
| 21:24.13 | jelly-home | debian does too |
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| 21:25.06 | jelly-home | many a time has an upstream complained of a weird cvs snapshot being released in stable |
| 21:25.55 | maligor | conservatism doesn't seem to be the trend |
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| 21:26.45 | Zharf | the stable releases get old fast |
| 21:26.54 | Zharf | especially with xmms2 :) |
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| 21:27.26 | asterisc | debian tries to make a compromise... having both old/stable and new/experimental... you can choose you'r way |
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| 21:28.11 | Zharf | experimental isn't new enough a lot of the time :) |
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| 21:28.22 | asterisc | the testing distribution is strange though (neither stable, nor new :) ) |
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| 21:28.38 | hoxu | jelly-home, well, I guess the maintainers are confident thay they don't need any quality checks the upstream does before releasing ;) |
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| 21:32.16 | asterisc | How can I find out what problems I have on my PCI bus? (I get from time to time a kernel error: Uhhhh, NMI received for unknown reason b1) |
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| 21:41.05 | jelly-home | asterisc: it could be a dying or unmanaged card. it could be your ram. Is this server hardware? |
| 21:42.00 | asterisc | jelly-home: it's my laptop, and I finished running the memtest86... with PASS |
| 21:42.33 | asterisc | jelly-home: probably overheating, or the wireless interface have something to do with it |
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| 21:44.30 | dim | hi |
| 21:44.57 | dim | I'm having trouble having X use the same keyboard setting as console, using console-setup, in sid |
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| 21:55.51 | jelly-home | asterisc: I'm clueless at the moment |
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| 21:57.25 | asterisc | jelly-home: I saw some bugs created for Ubuntu about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/116752 |
| 21:57.48 | asterisc | jelly-home: hopefully is just a bug, and my machine is doing fine :) |
| 21:59.55 | jelly-home | asterisc: uname -r ? |
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| 22:00.55 | asterisc | jelly-home: mine is newer: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 22:06.57 | dob1 | hi, it is possibile to install xtables-addons on lenny ? the problem is the iptables version |
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| 22:08.07 | buu | I'm using putty on windows to ssh to a debian machine running the default bash install. When I start typing a line that goes past the edge of my screen, it wraps "on top" of it self, then the lines start scrolling and the usual weird stuff happens. Where should I look for the problem causing this? |
| 22:09.32 | buu | I take it back, exiting the shell and creating a new one fixed it |
| 22:09.34 | buu | Oh well. |
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| 22:13.11 | adb | buu: which ubuntu ? |
| 22:13.27 | buu | er, what? |
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| 22:13.37 | adb | 9.04 ? |
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| 22:42.58 | oh_noes | Does anyone know what happens if you configure /etc/networking/interfaces with a new ppp connection that points to a modem that may not be available at boot time? |
| 22:43.06 | oh_noes | ie. a USB plug n play modem |
| 22:43.40 | patrikf | oh_noes: I think that should magically work with hotplug |
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| 22:52.25 | jvogel | Hai |
| 22:52.30 | jvogel | How can I permanently remove ~/Desktop |
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| 22:54.55 | deco | jvogel: rm -r /home/yourname/Desktop |
| 22:55.05 | jvogel | it comes back tho |
| 22:55.16 | jvogel | after reboot (or possibly its iceweasel?) |
| 22:55.17 | deco | jvogel: what distro are you using? |
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| 22:55.29 | jvogel | squeeze x64 |
| 22:55.41 | jelly-home | jvogel: don't use Gnome, KDE or whichever DE that uses it? |
| 22:55.50 | jvogel | I'm not using gnome or kde |
| 22:56.01 | jelly-home | what are you using? |
| 22:56.04 | jvogel | but i have some gnome, kde and xfc things |
| 22:56.10 | jvogel | custom w/ xmonad |
| 22:56.12 | jelly-home | hah. |
| 22:56.22 | deco | jvogel: weird, maybe you have iceweasel set it's download folder to desktop and it keeps creating it |
| 22:56.25 | jvogel | i dunno whats causing it |
| 22:56.28 | jvogel | deco: thats not it :\ |
| 22:56.36 | jvogel | but when i googled some ppl said it was iceweasel |
| 22:56.51 | deco | jvogel: have you tried removing it as root? |
| 22:57.12 | jvogel | nah but that shouldn't matter :| |
| 22:57.15 | jvogel | i suppose i can try |
| 22:57.31 | jvogel | it gets REMOVED |
| 22:57.33 | jvogel | but when i reboot |
| 22:57.35 | jvogel | it comes back |
| 22:57.36 | jelly-home | right |
| 22:57.41 | deco | jvogel: reboot :P |
| 22:57.44 | jvogel | damnit |
| 22:57.45 | jelly-home | jvogel: before you log in? |
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| 22:57.46 | jvogel | ok :P |
| 22:57.51 | jvogel | let me check |
| 22:57.54 | deco | k |
| 22:57.55 | jvogel | im gonna kill iceweasel and start it again |
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| 22:58.06 | jelly-home | jvogel: is it there if you merely log in on console (not in X)?: |
| 22:58.10 | jvogel | k iceweasel is not it |
| 22:58.18 | jvogel | ill check that next |
| 22:58.29 | jelly-home | it's some gnome or kde or xfce thing. |
| 22:58.34 | jvogel | hehe |
| 22:58.39 | jvogel | yeah i got a few gnome things |
| 22:58.51 | jvogel | gnome-terminal, control panel and the netowkr manager |
| 22:58.58 | jvogel | and screeensaver |
| 22:59.09 | jvogel | i use the xfce panel |
| 22:59.19 | MadMuppet | Im trying to install debian off disk on an old machine that I put a cd/dvd into .. it will not boot from the cd when I start is there anyway to start the installation when the machine is running? |
| 22:59.22 | jvogel | and some kde applications, but not native DE stuff |
| 22:59.43 | jvogel | MadMuppet: is your bios configured to boot from cd? |
| 23:00.08 | MadMuppet | jvogel:its an old compaq I cant access the bios atm |
| 23:00.13 | jvogel | :x |
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| 23:00.19 | jvogel | you cant change boot order either? |
| 23:00.34 | abrotman | some old cpq machines need a floppy with a bios on it to use the bios .. don't ask, yes it sucked |
| 23:00.42 | jvogel | MadMuppet: install on another machine |
| 23:00.46 | jvogel | i guess |
| 23:00.55 | jvogel | and stick that hdd in the compaq |
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| 23:01.20 | MadMuppet | lol I dont have a choice I blew up wifes computer she has mmine hostage until I repair hers |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | MadMuppet: can it boot from a floppy drive? |
| 23:01.40 | deco | jvogel: i find it weird that you want to delete the desktop directory :P. well i do really use it as a temp directory :P |
| 23:01.53 | jvogel | deco: its like an ocd thing or something, it bothers me |
| 23:01.56 | jvogel | i don't use it |
| 23:01.59 | jvogel | and its capitalized i dont like that |
| 23:01.59 | MadMuppet | abrotman: it no longer has a floppy disk |
| 23:02.07 | jvogel | all my directories in /home/jonathan are lowercase |
| 23:02.08 | jvogel | hehe |
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| 23:02.19 | abrotman | MadMuppet: so what do you have? |
| 23:02.22 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:02.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:02.28 | MadMuppet | a cd / dvd |
| 23:02.45 | deco | jvogel: oh :P most distro always capitilize your home directories so i got used to that :P |
| 23:02.46 | jvogel | you can boot from hdd? |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | but it can't boot the CD? |
| 23:02.59 | jvogel | deco: yea thats normal, i just dont have a desktop haha |
| 23:03.16 | jvogel | my root check is taking forever :| |
| 23:03.18 | MadMuppet | when I start the machine it boots to win98 straight away |
| 23:03.25 | jvogel | wow |
| 23:03.27 | jvogel | throw that shit out |
| 23:03.27 | jvogel | :P |
| 23:03.33 | jvogel | does it have like a Pentium I? |
| 23:03.40 | MadMuppet | yeah |
| 23:03.43 | jvogel | haha |
| 23:03.52 | jvogel | i saw this pentium i box at work |
| 23:04.02 | jvogel | and i threw it away |
| 23:04.03 | deco | isn't debian to much for that old pc . with gnome at least |
| 23:04.19 | jvogel | hell if it can run gnome |
| 23:04.34 | MadMuppet | I use fluxbox so its ok Im minimalist anyways |
| 23:04.52 | neuro_damage | how can I get a newer version of the nvidia driver on Debian the version I have, has a noted bug that has been confirmed with wine |
| 23:04.58 | craigevil | isnt there an option in your BIOS to boot from cd? |
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| 23:06.06 | MadMuppet | cant access the bios its an old compac |
| 23:06.06 | deco | MadMuppet: i guess floppys are your only hopen than |
| 23:06.06 | jvogel | boot from HDD? (doubt it'd work) |
| 23:06.06 | neuro_damage | MadMuppet: yeah that doesn't make sense ... hit the esc key, you'll see the BIOS prompt |
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| 23:06.07 | abrotman | !goodbye-windows |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:06.07 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:06.55 | MadMuppet | thanks all Ill go look at that .. |
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| 23:07.01 | MadMuppet | abrotman:thanks |
| 23:07.08 | jvogel | ok so |
| 23:07.18 | jvogel | on boot, ~/Desktop isnt there before starting x |
| 23:07.21 | jvogel | now im gonna startx |
| 23:07.23 | jvogel | crosses fingers |
| 23:07.36 | mamalujo | hm, why might my .xinitrc think .xsession doesnt exist? I have 'exec "/bin/sh -l ~/.xsession"', permissions on .xsessions are 755? tried explicit path instead of ~ |
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| 23:07.51 | jvogel | ok started x |
| 23:07.55 | jvogel | and now ~/Desktop isnt there |
| 23:07.57 | jvogel | starts iceweasel |
| 23:08.17 | zinx | mamalujo: exec takes the command arguments as arguments, not the command&argument as a single argument |
| 23:08.24 | jvogel | it's not there |
| 23:08.28 | deco | jvogel: ha , see it worked and you did not want to try it at first :P |
| 23:08.29 | jvogel | deco: thanks |
| 23:08.37 | jvogel | yeah i totally didnt thikn thta'd work |
| 23:08.38 | deco | jvogel: hehe, np ^^ |
| 23:08.40 | justin | !wayttd mamalujo |
| 23:08.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mamalujo? |
| 23:08.42 | zinx | mamalujo: but you should just rm .xinitrc and place whatever you've got in there in .xsession |
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| 23:09.51 | jvogel | deco: now i just hope nothing gnome/kde/xfce related wants ot put something in ~/Desktop and breaks hehe |
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| 23:10.24 | deco | jvogel: yeah :P |
| 23:11.58 | mamalujo | hm, I use xsession for raising various utilities for xmonad ,and choose type of session through some case expr in xinitrc, via slim - have xfce4 and kde install as well, just rarely visit them. followed some gentoo tutorial for that particular setup, wait, will dig up the link |
| 23:13.38 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:13.40 | mamalujo | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SLiM |
| 23:14.20 | mamalujo | so , I should just drop exec? I though I tried that |
| 23:14.53 | justin | mamalujo: you should only have 1 file |
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| 23:15.50 | mamalujo | so, then I dump my current .xsession under xmonad) case and make that .xinitrc my new .xsession? |
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| 23:16.44 | mamalujo | this: http://pastebin.com/f5a2c78b2 |
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| 23:17.29 | justin | mamalujo: you can't start things after xmonad like that |
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| 23:19.17 | mamalujo | good catch, end should be exec xmonad, but not particularly important, haven had much use for trayer for now, and dont even have gnome installed anyways |
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| 23:23.56 | jvogel | mamalujo: i just have .xinitrc for my xmonad setup |
| 23:24.02 | mamalujo | so, something like this http://pastebin.com/f3a88cb4a |
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| 23:24.40 | mamalujo | yeah, only, I tend to break it, then having a possibility to visit xfce is nice :) |
| 23:24.49 | jvogel | whats that |
| 23:24.52 | jvogel | your .xinitrc? |
| 23:25.39 | mamalujo | Im asking should I get rid of one of the two files by merging them like that yes. So, suggested future .xsession :) |
| 23:26.03 | jvogel | http://pastebin.ca/1469304 |
| 23:26.06 | jvogel | thats my .xinitrc |
| 23:26.23 | Kazuha | Who the bloody hell is "Bawstarski"? And what is "startkeylogger"? |
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| 23:26.49 | justin | haha, haven't seen that in ages |
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| 23:27.25 | Kazuha | Actually, a backwards search in this log showed me that he was in this channel. |
| 23:27.48 | nalioth | Kazuha: time stamps? got 'em? |
| 23:29.33 | Kazuha | (09:52:49 AM) Bawstarski [n=Help@32.132.177.196] entered the room. |
| 23:29.34 | Kazuha | (09:53:46 AM) Bawstarski left the room (quit: "jmIrc destroyed by the OS"). |
| 23:29.39 | Kazuha | PST. |
| 23:30.00 | patrikf | Kazuha: some person trying to crash other people's router with malformed dcc send requests |
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| 23:30.34 | Kazuha | is glad I don't have such a router. |
| 23:30.43 | joeDeuce | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/DCC_SEND_startkeylogger_0_0_0 |
| 23:31.09 | mavhc | the startkey logger text was an anti malware thing, norton or something assumed you were being controlled, so killed your irc connection |
| 23:31.51 | Kazuha | lol |
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| 23:32.58 | Kazuha | If I were a malware author, I wouldn't use "startkeylogger" as my botnet activator. |
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| 23:33.30 | charitwo | Kazuha: please don't repeat that word in channels on this network |
| 23:33.31 | mavhc | and that's why you're not a malware author |
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| 23:34.22 | mavhc | the dcc-send is due to a problem with a router firewall, if it's >16 chars it crashes, the port numbers are irrelevent |
| 23:34.38 | mamalujo | jvogel, thx, found few interesting pointers there :) |
| 23:34.47 | nalioth | joeDeuce: please don't do that |
| 23:35.08 | nalioth | joeDeuce: tinyurl is your friend |
| 23:35.48 | mavhc | if the script to detect it is wrong that's not his fault |
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| 23:37.36 | Kazuha | mavhc: I take it you meant something on the order of "most malware authors are able to program, but don't have much sense in naming things"? |
| 23:38.03 | zinx | eh, most malware authors are not able to program particularly well |
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| 23:38.09 | mavhc | don't have much sense at all |
| 23:38.32 | Kazuha | Ah. |
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| 23:38.51 | mavhc | if someone who knew what they were doing wrote a virus we'd be in trouble |
| 23:39.00 | zinx | yup |
| 23:39.18 | brad_ | can i install (without problems) a 32 bit flash player on a 64bit OS ? |
| 23:39.23 | mavhc | make it self learn, share information with other copies, cross platform |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 23:40.24 | dpkg | i heard nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
| 23:41.14 | patrikf | brad_: I think debian-multimedia has a package of the alpha flash player that runs on 64bit natively |
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| 23:41.37 | brad_ | well, I'm running ubuntu, the 64flash works, but poorly |
| 23:41.46 | abrotman | brad_: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 23:42.08 | sn00py | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.10 | Kazuha | Ubuntu != Debian. |
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| 23:42.53 | brad_ | I know they are not the same, but I thought there might be a package manager option to allow me to install 32bit packages |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | brad_: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 23:43.23 | joeDeuce | i'm sick of you f-tards in here not really helping anyone |
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| 23:43.49 | brad_ | does the flash player run better on a 32bit OS than the 64bit ? |
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| 23:44.15 | abrotman | brad_: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, if you want ubuntu support go to #ubuntu please |
| 23:44.46 | azeem | man, whoever thought ctrl+r was a useful shortcut for "reboot" in VMWare-Player deservers... dunno |
| 23:45.19 | Kazuha | And I thought I was touchy after my WM went south -- and Pidgin took aeons to resize. |
| 23:45.22 | beardy | A repeated reboot in the behind? |
| 23:47.11 | Kazuha | I'd at least have it be something rarely used, and hard to hit by mistake, like ctrl-alt-pause. |
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