| 00:00.17 | Cagliostro | Thanks guys, giving it a shot. |
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| 00:00.21 | craigevil | valdyn: it doesnt, you either have to use update-alternatives or remove swf first |
| 00:00.27 | valdyn | ursadon: fix the make script |
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| 00:00.51 | ursadon | valdyn: and instead call g++ ? |
| 00:00.54 | teen_quiet | well, seems OK: I configured the network params, now it's formatting partitions... Install Base System... seems allright |
| 00:01.00 | ursadon | or gcc |
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| 00:01.50 | nkuttler | any recommendations for automated checking if services are running? not necessarily on remote hosts. |
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| 00:02.07 | sylarr | should I include /dev in rdiff-backup backups? |
| 00:02.21 | dkr | no |
| 00:02.55 | sylarr | wouldn't it help me to recover? |
| 00:02.59 | teen_quiet | nkuttler: check /var/run/ |
| 00:03.08 | avu | sylarr, always leave out at least /dev, /proc, /sys, /tmp, /var/tmp and/var/run |
| 00:03.11 | sylarr | like , if I have the whole system image? |
| 00:03.15 | avu | sylarr, no it wouldn't |
| 00:03.24 | avu | sylarr, /dev is automatically populated by udev |
| 00:03.27 | nkuttler | teen_quiet: what if some service dies unexpectedly? |
| 00:03.45 | sylarr | avu, o, I didn't know that |
| 00:04.20 | valdyn | ursadon: you have cc1plus too |
| 00:04.22 | avu | nkuttler, good initscripts implement 'status' |
| 00:04.24 | sylarr | any more stuff that are auto generated that I should leave out? |
| 00:04.37 | valdyn | ursadon: i dont know what exactly it does, its below /usr/lib/gcc |
| 00:04.51 | sylarr | avu, since you said at least |
| 00:04.57 | sylarr | avu then I wonder |
| 00:05.01 | Manoj | nkuttler: opennms, nagios, monit, munin |
| 00:05.10 | teen_quiet | they won't have their PID in it...? 'cos they're dead...? |
| 00:05.22 | avu | nkuttler, in any case, you can still use /var/run, just don't use the existance of the file as indicator but check if the pid listed in there is running and has the right argv[0] |
| 00:05.47 | valdyn | nkuttler: to check if a service is propery running you kind of need to use the service |
| 00:05.57 | avu | teen_quiet, well, there will be a PID in there but then you also have to check if that pid exists and if it actually belongs to the right process |
| 00:06.14 | nkuttler | valdyn: that's what i'm thinking. i'm looking if there is some existing framework for that |
| 00:06.23 | valdyn | nkuttler: nagios |
| 00:06.25 | nkuttler | Manoj: thanks |
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| 00:07.13 | Manoj | nkuttler: these might be overkill, but they do the job nicely, and you'll have lots of room to expand |
| 00:07.23 | teen_quiet | avu: yes, how? `ps aux | grep $pid` ? |
| 00:07.42 | avu | teen_quiet, no |
| 00:08.10 | dkr | teen_quiet: pgrep :) |
| 00:08.29 | avu | teen_quiet, I would use a combination of -C and -p I guess |
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| 00:09.32 | avu | teen_quiet, because, again, the fact that a process with that pid exists doesn't tell you that the daemon ist still running |
| 00:10.04 | valdyn | ...and a daemon running does still not imply that the service is functioning |
| 00:10.12 | avu | indeed |
| 00:10.37 | nkuttler | nagios looks nice |
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| 00:11.02 | nkuttler | valdyn: well, that would require validation etc, which would be nice too |
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| 00:12.12 | person | I ran make -C /lib/modules/<2.6.xx.xx>/build M=`pwd` but was told that /lib/modules/<2.6.xx.xx>/build was actually a file and not a directory. Is did ls -lh on it and found that it links to some weird path beginning with /tempo . What shall I do? |
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| 00:15.20 | adb | [Jun 23 01:55:52] <Manoj> for the person with the funny kernel, you should just grab the config file from the other guyt, and compile on your machine, you can then create a matching kernel image and header packages (though you may no longer need the header package) |
| 00:15.29 | person | Thanks |
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| 00:15.46 | person | Thanks Manoj |
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| 00:16.22 | Schuenemann | what is a funny kernel? |
| 00:16.41 | sylarr | can root= boot param be a disk label? |
| 00:16.41 | adb | not official ? |
| 00:16.58 | Schuenemann | huh... never saw that naming before |
| 00:17.12 | Schuenemann | sylarr, can be UUID |
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| 00:17.20 | sylarr | :/ |
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| 00:17.28 | sylarr | hate UUIDs |
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| 00:17.39 | Schuenemann | why? |
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| 00:17.49 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.57 | person | adb: So I grab this Thibaut guy's config file and then use it with what? any 2.6.30 kernel sources? Or does it have to be the arch package he used? |
| 00:17.57 | sylarr | because they are not human readable |
| 00:17.59 | CdK1 | I have problem with ia32-libs in Debian/SID amd64 |
| 00:18.01 | CdK1 | repository up-to-date |
| 00:18.03 | CdK1 | any idea? |
| 00:18.08 | sylarr | abd what is the syntax? |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | CdK1: how about some hints about your "problem" |
| 00:18.32 | sylarr | Schuenemann, or not human memorable |
| 00:18.42 | Schuenemann | I see |
| 00:18.43 | adb | person: i dunno , wait for Manoj |
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| 00:19.01 | CdK1 | abrotman, |
| 00:19.02 | CdK1 | http://pastebin.ca/1470525 |
| 00:19.14 | person | Thanks adb |
| 00:19.15 | CdK1 | cibershop_, |
| 00:19.22 | CdK1 | Chileno? |
| 00:19.30 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.37 | person | Manoj: Thanks for the help. So I grab this Thibaut guy's config file and then use it with what? any 2.6.30 kernel sources? Or does it have to be the arch package he used? |
| 00:19.45 | cibershop_ | sip |
| 00:19.50 | CdK1 | piola |
| 00:20.01 | cibershop_ | y tu? |
| 00:20.05 | person | Ah. But I just realised, this guy applied some funny patches to the kernel. |
| 00:20.08 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:20.11 | CdK1 | tb |
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| 00:20.22 | cibershop_ | de que parte? |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | i noticed |
| 00:20.28 | abrotman | cibershop_: CdK1 #debian-es please |
| 00:20.31 | CdK1 | de la V region y tu? |
| 00:20.36 | Manoj | person: the config file ought to be arch independent |
| 00:20.41 | CdK1 | abrotman, sorry |
| 00:20.44 | cibershop_ | vi |
| 00:20.49 | CdK1 | With my problem, any idea? |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | CdK1: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 00:20.52 | CdK1 | OK |
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| 00:21.04 | person | Manoj: The config file maybe. But this guy patched the kernel. I think I need to use the same one, on second thoughts >< |
| 00:21.11 | Manoj | person: you were wanting to get the header package, no? I presume that means you have third party modules that you need to compile |
| 00:21.20 | person | Ah |
| 00:21.21 | CdK1 | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1470528 |
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| 00:21.42 | person | Well I'm not specifically looking for the header package anymore. That might actually not be useful now. |
| 00:21.57 | sylarr | abd what is the syntax for specifying a label ? |
| 00:22.00 | Manoj | so get the patch, patch the kernel, get the config, and compile -- you then do not need a header package, really, since modules usually compile with the sources too |
| 00:22.17 | person | I'm getting an error that /lib/modules/linux-2.6.30-one/build is not a directory. And it's not; it's a file. |
| 00:22.29 | Manoj | it is usually a link |
| 00:22.34 | person | Yeah it is |
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| 00:22.45 | Manoj | it is a link to the build directory, and that directory does not exist on your machine |
| 00:22.45 | person | And it links to some place in /tempo |
| 00:22.49 | person | Whatever /tempo is. |
| 00:22.57 | person | I've never come accross a /tempo. |
| 00:23.02 | Manoj | the place where whoever built the kernel put thekernel sources |
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| 00:23.04 | person | Aha |
| 00:23.07 | abrotman | CdK1: when is the last time you did a full-upgrade ? |
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| 00:23.23 | person | I wish he had given me a link >< |
| 00:23.30 | Manoj | so, at this point, you must recompile the kernel on your own. |
| 00:23.38 | CdK1 | today |
| 00:23.41 | abrotman | CdK1: and this is part of the problem with running unstable |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | CdK1: paste `apt-cache policy lib32gcc1` |
| 00:24.13 | CdK1 | mmm and exist any solution? |
| 00:24.14 | person | ManjWell I'm not confident with the whole patching business. As long as I find the sources (they're from Arch, I know) and put them in this build directory, I'm okay? |
| 00:24.14 | CdK1 | ok |
| 00:24.35 | CdK1 | http://pastebin.ca/1470533 |
| 00:24.35 | Manoj | person: dp nopt build in /usr/src :P |
| 00:24.40 | designs703 | I have a postfix setup I'm very confused about. Is anybody here experienced with that on Debian? |
| 00:25.00 | person | Manoj: lol why? |
| 00:25.06 | abrotman | CdK1: just seems like it's not installable today .. |
| 00:25.17 | teen_quiet | ah?! mirrors are corrupted...? I'm on the fifth... |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | CdK1: that really is part of running unstable .. that happens sometimes |
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| 00:25.24 | abrotman | designs703: just ask |
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| 00:25.41 | warreng_ | if i'm running debian lenny and want to install a package that's in the testing branch... how do i do that? |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | CdK1: you can try to see why lib32gcc1 won't install .. and follow the tree down |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | !tell warreng_ about backports |
| 00:25.57 | Manoj | person: permission problems |
| 00:25.57 | jpinx-eeepc | warreng_: backports |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | warreng_: ultimately depends on the package in question |
| 00:25.58 | Gun_Smoke | warreng_, I'd check backports |
| 00:26.04 | warreng_ | nginx |
| 00:26.09 | abrotman | judd: versions ndinx |
| 00:26.09 | judd | abrotman: ndinx -- |
| 00:26.11 | abrotman | judd: versions nginx |
| 00:26.11 | judd | abrotman: nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2 etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.6.32-3 squeeze: 0.6.34-2 sid: 0.7.59-1 |
| 00:26.14 | warreng_ | i want 0.6.34-2 |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | nope .. no backports |
| 00:26.26 | Manoj | person: /usr/src is g+s, the sticky bit creates problems |
| 00:26.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell warreng_ about ssb |
| 00:26.41 | teen_quiet | fifth failed: corrupted...? |
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| 00:27.10 | person | Manoj: I'll take your word for it :P |
| 00:27.27 | jpinx-eeepc | warreng_: simple sid backports is what I was trying for you there |
| 00:27.38 | jpinx-eeepc | but dpkg seems to have fallen asleep |
| 00:27.48 | warreng_ | slacker |
| 00:28.07 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: what's the other bot called? |
| 00:28.26 | Gun_Smoke | ju dd was new to me |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: oh yeah .. keep forgetting dpkg is gone |
| 00:28.39 | CdK1 | abrotman, |
| 00:28.41 | CdK1 | http://pastebin.ca/1470537 |
| 00:28.44 | abrotman | other bot isn't here either |
| 00:28.54 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger |
| 00:29.00 | jpinx-eeepc | we're bot-less |
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| 00:29.19 | abrotman | on cue! |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | !tell warreng_ about backports |
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| 00:29.46 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - beat me to it |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | CdK1: try using aptitude instead |
| 00:29.55 | SuperMiguel | is there a way to change the browser fonts to make them look like windows fonts? |
| 00:29.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell warreng_ about ssb |
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| 00:30.34 | teen_quiet | should I get the newest Lenny netInstall CD? damn'd PB-EasyNote! |
| 00:30.35 | CdK1 | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1470540 |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | be way easier in english |
| 00:31.21 | abrotman | try `LANG=C aptitude install ia32-libs` |
| 00:31.54 | CdK1 | http://pastebin.ca/1470542 |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | oh .. it wants to remove libc .. this seems bad |
| 00:32.06 | CdK1 | how? |
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| 00:32.23 | jpinx-eeepc | teen_quiet: get the lenny installer from debian.org |
| 00:32.38 | adb | !tell warreng_ about backports |
| 00:33.02 | themill | !dbugs 533503 |
| 00:33.04 | abrotman | CdK1: make more sense now ? |
| 00:33.05 | dpkg | DONE:#533503:G[libc6-i386] libc6-i386 must use Breaks instead of Conflicts (); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:24:01 UTC [] |
| 00:33.10 | stew | wow, the Breaks: header in action! |
| 00:33.18 | themill | abrotman: ^^ smells like that one again |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | takes a good whiff |
| 00:33.57 | CdK1 | remove libc6-i386 ? |
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| 00:34.04 | CdK1 | sorry for my english |
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| 00:36.37 | designs703 | I installed ISPConfig before thinking it through (I did not like it at all, and it didn't work well) and while I know that it altered my setup on install, I am not entirely sure how. I know that it changed the mail mappings to MySQL (rather than flat file) and I would like to get it back to normal. Here is my main.cf: http://pastebin.com/m6e728fc6 |
| 00:36.41 | designs703 | it was much simpler before |
| 00:36.54 | teen_quiet | jpinx-eeepc: that's what I did, since sarge |
| 00:38.30 | warreng_ | hmm... backports have tons of dependencies i don't really want to mess with... all i want to do is add an additional compile flag to the nginx module... |
| 00:38.49 | warreng_ | can i download the source for 0.6.32-3 and basically make a 0.6.32-4 with one additional config? |
| 00:38.53 | adb | !tell warreng_ about ssb |
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| 00:39.28 | warreng_ | ahh nice |
| 00:39.39 | jpinx-eeepc | warreng_: check you IRC for messages from dpkg - you've been given all this several times now |
| 00:39.55 | teen_quiet | in fact, I got Lenny netinstall CD, before official release anouncement. Does it change anything? |
| 00:40.09 | warreng_ | jpinx-eeepc: dpkg wasn't sending me anything for a while.... but now i see what i need.. thanks everybody |
| 00:40.21 | warreng_ | "package recompile" was the magic keyword |
| 00:40.21 | jpinx-eeepc | teen_quiet: get the lenny installer from debian.org |
| 00:40.37 | jpinx-eeepc | warreng_: yea - dpkg was hiccupping a bit there |
| 00:41.13 | teen_quiet | jping-eeepc: I did it. You mean now!? |
| 00:41.24 | jpinx-eeepc | teen_quiet: now |
| 00:41.50 | teen_quiet | I'm on my way... |
| 00:42.46 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: i use netinstall lenny before release and it's ok |
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| 00:43.35 | bsulzer | hi again |
| 00:44.07 | lvh | bsulzer: im drunk, ignore me |
| 00:44.29 | bsulzer | following question: how do i disable the autocompletition bell in tty? |
| 00:44.35 | bsulzer | lvh: i'll try ;P |
| 00:45.20 | lvh | bsulzer: sudo rmmod pcspkr |
| 00:45.26 | person | I think I may be confused. Do I even need a Broadcom controller driver for this Acer One's wireless to work? |
| 00:45.29 | bsulzer | lvh: should i ignore that or what? ;) |
| 00:45.39 | lvh | bsulzer: try it and see |
| 00:45.45 | lvh | bsulzer: im drunk but not that drunk |
| 00:45.50 | bsulzer | lvh: rofl |
| 00:46.25 | lvh | oh well |
| 00:46.30 | lvh | bye! |
| 00:46.57 | bsulzer | nooo, my drunken master is away... ;) |
| 00:47.06 | teen_quiet | seems to be the same 'debian-501-i386-netinst.iso', is it? |
| 00:47.37 | adb | yes |
| 00:48.13 | MrPocketz | fuck'en hot in here |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | with 900 people .. that happens |
| 00:48.41 | bsulzer | ERROR: Module pcspkr does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 00:49.00 | teen_quiet | I have an extra CD, I can give it a try. Anyway I'd have a GNU/Linux Debian CD to offer...^^ |
| 00:49.04 | bsulzer | any suggestions? |
| 00:49.26 | adb | !tell bsulzer about pcspkr |
| 00:49.37 | bsulzer | adb: thx |
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| 00:51.14 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: he was getting some hangup with the install |
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| 00:51.51 | adb | oh, router issue , i guess |
| 00:52.03 | nagyon | only seeing 4GB ram on a 64-bit machine with 8gb; running kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64... can anybody please state the obvious for me? |
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| 00:52.08 | bsulzer | adb: do i have to restart after doing that? |
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| 00:52.17 | gmap | how do i do apt-get install package.lst ? |
| 00:52.18 | jpinx-eeepc | teen_quiet: you don't have to use a CD |
| 00:52.49 | adb | bsulzer: not sure |
| 00:53.12 | bsulzer | adb: ok, thx anyway |
| 00:53.45 | gmap | how do i apt-get install a list of packages from a text file? |
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| 00:55.16 | adb | bsulzer: test it in tty |
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| 00:57.35 | bsulzer | !tell bsulzer about pcspkr |
| 00:57.52 | adb | !tell bsulzer about selftell |
| 00:58.01 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all, simple question ... I'm running squeeze and today my wife realized that the panel el allways over the windows, this never happened before so I think that is was due to the latest update ... someone got ride of this thing? |
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| 00:58.51 | bsulzer | oops sorry for that |
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| 01:08.13 | bsulzer | is there any possibility to: |
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| 01:08.37 | bsulzer | log the things the os writes at startup? |
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| 01:09.19 | adb | !tell bsulzer about bootlog |
| 01:09.35 | person | *sigh* and the moral of the story is... to actually understand what instructions mean before trying to follow them. |
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| 01:09.40 | Schuenemann | !tell Schuenemann about selftell |
| 01:10.58 | afab | bsulzer, dmesg > boot.messages |
| 01:12.25 | bsulzer | afab: but that works only once, right? |
| 01:14.21 | afab | after boot |
| 01:14.23 | adb | person: on acer one ? |
| 01:15.02 | teen_quiet | by the way, I do like Lenny's"new" installer: ...so many capacities... |
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| 01:15.04 | afab | adb, yes, aspire one? |
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| 01:15.36 | jpinx-eeepc | teen_quiet: good that it's working for you:) |
| 01:15.42 | afab | SuperMiguel, WTF! |
| 01:15.53 | person | adb: Yeah lol. I didn't really know what ath5k and madwifi were. |
| 01:15.58 | SuperMiguel | afab, yes? |
| 01:16.01 | afab | SuperMiguel, que mas chamo, como esta todo? |
| 01:16.08 | SuperMiguel | afab, quien tu eres? |
| 01:16.14 | person | I still don't, but now I know that you don't need both, I'm doing better I think |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:16.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:16.22 | ^elf^ | can anyone think of a reason why my box would be persistently starting each dns lookup in this fashion "www.google.com.localdomain.com", even though i have no 'search localdomain.com' defined in resolvconf ?? |
| 01:16.39 | afab | SuperMiguel, angel |
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| 01:17.14 | teen_quiet | jpinx-eeepc: not yet, I try with the new burned CD... |
| 01:17.40 | adb | !tell person about acerone |
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| 01:18.35 | SuperMiguel | afab, q mas rata |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | ^elf^: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:19.01 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell teen_quiet about usb install |
| 01:19.43 | person | YES! Ahahaha! It works! |
| 01:19.57 | person | Teeheeheehee! |
| 01:20.03 | ^elf^ | yeah thats what i meant abrotman, i have no 'search' line in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | just nameserver entries ? |
| 01:20.22 | ^elf^ | yet the system is doing lookups as if there is such an entry |
| 01:20.23 | ^elf^ | yep |
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| 01:24.33 | teen_quiet | well, well, well, different "new" CD: common old noises (from the CD reader)dulce igne... |
| 01:24.36 | teen_quiet | dulce igne |
| 01:25.07 | person | Oh no... it was just epiphany kidding me. |
| 01:25.38 | teen_quiet | now you have one of my main passwd, I'm on to change it...sorry |
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| 01:26.07 | abrotman | ^elf^: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 01:27.25 | bsulzer | thx boys, just one more question: how do i set the tty to 1280x800 (not in grub) |
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| 01:27.35 | ^elf^ | abrotman: shall i pastebin the output? |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | should be oneline ? |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | though .. that doesn't seem to be the problem i'm guessing |
| 01:28.48 | teen_quiet | dulce igne that comes from Dulcinea, from Don Quichotte, that burns smoothly from inside </litterature> |
| 01:28.50 | ^elf^ | http://pastebin.com/m711cc0a4 |
| 01:28.57 | enouf | nagyon: 32bit installation? dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 01:29.16 | teen_quiet | archives corrupted! what's wrong?! |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | ^elf^: is it always the same using host/dig/nslookup ? |
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| 01:30.45 | nagyon | enouf: amd64 |
| 01:31.26 | nagyon | enouf: free reports 4162768896 bytes total |
| 01:32.52 | abrotman | nagyon: does the BIOS see it ? |
| 01:33.02 | nagyon | abrotman: yes |
| 01:33.06 | ^elf^ | abrotman: squid seems to resolve the domains just fine... most other stuff like traceroute/ping/php5 take a while |
| 01:33.07 | nagyon | abrotman: bios reports all 8gb |
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| 01:34.56 | abrotman | ^elf^: tested with dig/host/nslookup ? |
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| 01:35.37 | abrotman | nagyon: uname -a ? |
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| 01:37.15 | ^elf^ | yep |
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| 01:37.28 | teen_quiet | as for network's settings, it seems Debian GNU/Linux netInstaller's CD, can't fix by itself (as for a common PC) my "new" PB_EasyNote, but not like netWork capacity 'window', there's no way, seemingly, to put more information...weird, no? |
| 01:38.45 | teen_quiet | at Using mirrors. |
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| 01:39.39 | teen_quiet | They all seem corrupted, and so I might think I am corrupted. but where? how?... |
| 01:40.02 | ^elf^ | hmm |
| 01:40.29 | bsulzer | thx boys, just one more question: how do i set the tty resolution to 1280x800, anyone knows? |
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| 01:44.30 | adb | bsulzer: not sure about 1280x800 , but may add `vga=791` to kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:45.50 | jamon | bsulzer: 1280x800 isn't a valid vesa mode, so i don't think you can |
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| 01:46.10 | enouf | the 791 will give you 1024x768 |
| 01:46.24 | jamon | yeah that's what i use for a 1400x1050 screen |
| 01:46.40 | mamalujo | how would one change which keys caps shifts? |
| 01:46.46 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 01:46.46 | dpkg | from memory, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
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| 01:47.05 | stew | jamon: why wouldn't you use a 1400x1050 mode? |
| 01:47.14 | enouf | indeed |
| 01:47.17 | jamon | stew: too small |
| 01:47.24 | enouf | heh |
| 01:47.36 | jamon | besides, i use splashy, so it's a moot point :) |
| 01:48.02 | bsulzer | cool thing, the only problem is: if i do an aptitude update, the vga code is lost... |
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| 01:48.26 | jamon | bsulzer: no, that's what the kopt= is for in your menu.lst |
| 01:48.48 | stew | bsulzer: you should not be editing the kernel line itself, you should be editing the "#kopt=" line and running "update-grub" will will propagate it to the kernel lines |
| 01:48.50 | jamon | update-grub appends the options listed there to each kernel in your /boot |
| 01:48.51 | enouf | bsulzer: read what dpkg said abiyt update-grub and # kopt=root= |
| 01:49.05 | enouf | s/abiyt/about |
| 01:49.10 | iluminator101 | how do i run a gdomap |
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| 01:49.28 | bsulzer | boys, that's it. thx a lot |
| 01:49.35 | jamon | enjoy |
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| 01:50.28 | enouf | bsulzer: and only some sort of _upgrade_ would install (possibly) a newer kernel, not _update_ |
| 01:51.03 | bsulzer | enouf: sorry, of course i meant upgrade |
| 01:51.14 | enouf | no worries ;-) |
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| 01:52.04 | Qew | wouldn't the # defoptions= line in menu.lst be more appropriate for the vga code. The kopt line is default for all kernels, including the single user ones. |
| 01:52.50 | bsulzer | uh, i see i have to wait, read and learn |
| 01:52.57 | Qew | kopt will work, just feel defoptions is more appropriate |
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| 01:56.00 | bsulzer | if i'm looking right, defoptions is only for the grub entry which is marked as default. |
| 01:56.46 | person | Gah |
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| 01:58.49 | c0m1 | exit |
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| 02:00.21 | teen_quiet | Do you about a n open-source GNU/Linux Music Oriented Distribution, based on Debian: I've heard about (and tried some o'hem) 64Studio, Musix, Ubuntu_has_one..., what else? |
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| 02:00.47 | iluminator101 | where can i get gdomap? |
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| 02:01.25 | AMcBain | will an article from 2004 for setting disk quotas still be applicable, or has enough changed? |
| 02:02.33 | AMcBain | (I found an article on debian-administration.org ) |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | probably .. don't think its changed much |
| 02:03.37 | AMcBain | okay. I'll try it and see where I get. |
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| 02:05.24 | pickcoder | quotas can be user space and kernel space, but I think even that applied back in 04 |
| 02:05.31 | pickcoder | s/and/and-or |
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| 02:06.31 | bsulzer | hey guys. cool ideas, but here is the weird thing |
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| 02:06.44 | grendal_prime | !dpkg get java |
| 02:06.56 | grendal_prime | !dpkg |
| 02:06.56 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 02:07.09 | grendal_prime | !java |
| 02:07.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:07.20 | grendal_prime | !install java |
| 02:07.20 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 02:07.27 | adb | !tell grendal_prime about selftell |
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| 02:08.01 | grendal_prime | sorry man i forgot... |
| 02:08.04 | arpi_ | I'd like to use http://www.google.co.uk/sendtophone?...le&gl=GB&hl=en as a pager. I know google stopped their free sms service. This website only sends a message about how to start using Google services to your mobile if you give them your number. So the idea is that if something happens in a program I would be notified via this service. How can I do that with wget? |
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| 02:08.11 | grendal_prime | been awhile. |
| 02:08.25 | bsulzer | if i add vga=0x361 (vesa code for 1280x800, according to google) at the kernel line, it works perfectly. with kopt or defoptions, nothing at all. |
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| 02:09.26 | bsulzer | has that something to do that i accidently uncommented the defoptions line? |
| 02:09.45 | Qew | you need to hit update-grub after you edit the line, so that the option in kopt or defoptions will be written to the kernel line |
| 02:09.56 | Qew | I mean enter |
| 02:10.05 | bsulzer | Qew: thx. i forgot that (doh) |
| 02:10.27 | bsulzer | btw: sorry for my english |
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| 02:11.34 | grendal_prime | hey i got this server...not sure if its lenny or now..how can i tell? |
| 02:11.37 | adb | bsulzer: don't 'uncommented' defoptions line ... |
| 02:11.56 | adb | uncomment even |
| 02:12.45 | adb | grendal_prime: cat /etc/issue |
| 02:12.46 | enouf | !versions |
| 02:12.51 | enouf | !version |
| 02:12.51 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 02:13.04 | grendal_prime | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 02:13.09 | SuperMiguel | lenny |
| 02:13.19 | grendal_prime | cause of the L ? |
| 02:13.21 | bsulzer | adb: i know now. ;) problem found and fixed |
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| 02:13.24 | SuperMiguel | because of the 5.0 |
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| 02:13.29 | enouf | unless libc6 is different :-P |
| 02:13.31 | grendal_prime | ahh ok thanks |
| 02:14.23 | enouf | cat /etc/issue.net is the human readable one ;-) |
| 02:14.32 | adb | enouf: good point |
| 02:14.52 | adb | i means libc6 diff |
| 02:15.02 | enouf | adb: ahh ... yep |
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| 02:15.27 | bsulzer | boys, you are my heroes. thx a lot |
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| 02:16.01 | adb | bsulzer: how old are you ? |
| 02:17.11 | bsulzer | adb: 26, why? |
| 02:17.26 | adb | about `boys` |
| 02:18.00 | cantido | girls use computers too? |
| 02:18.16 | bsulzer | adb: what's wrong with that? |
| 02:18.23 | adb | forget girls ? |
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| 02:19.12 | abrotman | nevermind ... |
| 02:19.21 | bsulzer | well i assume that the rate of female debian users is very low... |
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| 02:19.38 | SuperMiguel | bsulzer, it is |
| 02:20.44 | bsulzer | but for the sake of political correctnes i'll try to use ppl next time :P |
| 02:21.32 | pickcoder | is outraged at the term "ppl" |
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| 02:21.34 | blime | or say "guys" and really get me confused |
| 02:21.35 | jelly-home | fuck political correctness |
| 02:22.00 | blime | <jelly-home> fuck political correctness <-- this |
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| 02:23.12 | teen_quiet | I'm going to make a chance without z LAN: all to itself; lonesome mzine |
| 02:23.18 | bsulzer | jelly-home: political correctness is a luxury i tend to allow myself |
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| 02:25.18 | AMcBain | asmcbain:~# quotatool -u user -l '2.5 GB' /home |
| 02:25.18 | AMcBain | quotatool: must specify either block or inode |
| 02:25.26 | AMcBain | uh ... help? :P |
| 02:25.55 | AMcBain | Do I need to set both hard and soft limits together, even if they're the same? |
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| 02:26.18 | AMcBain | seems so. |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | AMcBain: /home is not a block or inode |
| 02:27.24 | AMcBain | erm, the tutorial says to use that. do I have to use / which was the partition I'm doing this for? |
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| 02:27.32 | abrotman | does the man page for quotatool give examples ? |
| 02:28.26 | AMcBain | it says it either accepts the label (/dev/sdax) or the mount point ( /home ) and my mount point would be / in this case, but it doesn't like that either. |
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| 02:29.11 | abrotman | so try the device ? |
| 02:29.24 | AMcBain | oh. GB isn't a valid unit of measurement for it. |
| 02:29.58 | RedLance | I would like to install Debian to a 4GB compact flash card to use as the system drive in my file/media server. What can I do to minimize drive writes? |
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| 02:31.05 | cantido | RedLance: You can put bits of /var like logs into a tmpfs |
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| 02:31.33 | RedLance | cantido: Ok, and also have it log to a log server? |
| 02:32.08 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: why restrict writes? |
| 02:32.09 | AMcBain | abrotman: even with the device I still get the same issue. |
| 02:32.20 | AMcBain | I'm using '2560 Mb' now too |
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| 02:32.32 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: he's probably worried about wearing the flash out |
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| 02:32.42 | RedLance | jpinx-eeepc: Flash memory has a finite number of writes |
| 02:33.08 | cantido | RedLance: I think most modern flash can actually handle more writes than a harddisk though |
| 02:33.08 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: not in your life time;) |
| 02:33.38 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: I'm on ssd in an eeepc - standard debian |
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| 02:33.44 | RedLance | True, and it only cost about $20 and will only get cheaper |
| 02:34.21 | cantido | RedLance: having less writes happening on a flash card is good for performance though, writes to flash are generally pretty slow |
| 02:34.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I've had enough of hdd failures - and ssd write limits are not an issue if you do the maths |
| 02:34.56 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: depends on the flash |
| 02:34.58 | AMcBain | oh. I got it by also specifying the bq |
| 02:35.13 | AMcBain | -bq ... which isn't quite in the man. |
| 02:35.24 | RedLance | Mine is a SanDisk Ultra II...fwiw |
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| 02:35.35 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: usb flash is painful, but builtin flash as in my eeepc is fine |
| 02:36.03 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: well, I haven't seen a compact flash card that doesn't start throwing up and disconnecting itself after proper use (stuff like installing loads of packages with apt) yet ;) |
| 02:36.03 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: is it a USB stick or ssd card or what? |
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| 02:36.34 | RedLance | jpinx-eeepc: It's a 4GB compact flash card in an IDE adaptor |
| 02:36.57 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: my eeepc is running as a public webserver and with me using browser and all on it |
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| 02:37.18 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: compact flash card though? SSDs are a bit different |
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| 02:37.21 | RedLance | And the Ultra is made for digital cameras to write large files to relatively quickly |
| 02:37.34 | craigevil | the ssd in the eeepc will last at least as long as a HD, even with heavy use |
| 02:37.38 | jpinx-eeepc | I was referring to SSD |
| 02:38.04 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: I reckon you're safe to install standard |
| 02:38.16 | RedLance | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah, probably |
| 02:38.31 | jpinx-eeepc | there's a lot of unsubstantiated guff about running ssd/flash drives |
| 02:38.46 | cantido | RedLance: I can't remember what cards I've used, but if you're lucky it'll work fine, some cards don't like doing dma for extended periods of time though |
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| 02:38.49 | nagyon | abrotman: Linux thomas 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 28 21:28:49 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | holy jeez |
| 02:38.56 | jpinx-eeepc | and as you say - it'll be getting cheaper and better all the time |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | doesn't even remember the issue |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | nagyon: oh .. cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 02:39.23 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: I think most of it is because people are used to flash that only handles 10,000 write cycles |
| 02:39.28 | RedLance | What's the shelf life of a flash drive? I heard it was 1 year...for data retention on a drive just sitting on the shelf, as a backup |
| 02:39.37 | nagyon | abrotman: MemTotal: 4065204 kB; MemFree: 3762720 kB |
| 02:40.04 | cantido | RedLance: flash is apparently decades, it depends on what chips were used though |
| 02:40.04 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: not sure about shelf-life - Mine's never been shutdown ;) |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | nagyon: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) .. you'll probably need a pastebin |
| 02:40.07 | craigevil | RedLance: i have a 128mb flash drive that i have had for 4 yrs still works just fine |
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| 02:40.50 | nagyon | abrotman: nothing |
| 02:40.59 | nagyon | abrotman: HIGHMEM should only be necessary for 32bit kernel, no? |
| 02:41.02 | RedLance | craigevil: But you use it occasionally and change the data on it? I'm talking about like, dumping a bunch of pictures to it and dropping it in a safe deposit box. |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | nagyon: i thought perhaps there might have been an option to limit it .. normally, yes, it would be null |
| 02:41.32 | craigevil | ive only used it a handleful of times |
| 02:41.42 | abrotman | nagyon: time to start reading through 'dmesg' ? |
| 02:41.56 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: probably not more than a year - but i have not seen a definitive test of that |
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| 02:42.13 | RedLance | Ok, thanks guys...off to give it a whirl. |
| 02:42.40 | jpinx-eeepc | RedLance: come back in a year and tell us if it's still got the data ;) |
| 02:42.47 | cantido | flash would be shit if it only retained data for a year.. |
| 02:42.52 | RedLance | Sure thing |
| 02:43.01 | RedLance | :) |
| 02:43.16 | cantido | think of all the MCU's etc with flash embedded inside them.. you car wouldn't start after a year if flash was like that |
| 02:43.36 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: maybe it won't ;) |
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| 02:43.47 | jpinx-eeepc | did you ever leave a car sitting for ayear? |
| 02:44.22 | RedLance | jpinx-eeepc: They don't like that too much... |
| 02:45.01 | cantido | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.05 | cantido | there we go ;) |
| 02:45.14 | jpinx-eeepc | thinks cantido would have more issues than flash memory to deal with after the car is sitting for a year |
| 02:45.37 | hamsand | #debian on irc.oftc.net server has been exclusive? |
| 02:45.38 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: you're washing machine then.. your keyboard,.. |
| 02:45.43 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: indeedy - 10 years will do nicely:) |
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| 02:46.11 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: sorry dude - I can not think of a single item of mine that won;t be used for a year ;) |
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| 02:47.01 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders about not washing clothes for a year - Ewwwwww!!! |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | hamsand: what? |
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| 02:48.32 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I think there were some problems in #d on oftc today |
| 02:48.51 | craigevil | a lot of oftc was having issues ealier with bots |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | i heard |
| 02:49.17 | jpinx-eeepc | bots and pr0n etc |
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| 02:49.37 | craigevil | small channels like #sidux went form 85 users to over 300 with lots of join/part crap from the bots |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | nagyon: find anything ? |
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| 02:50.20 | PrMoriarty | hello do you know how i can check windows local account credentials with my debian machine? |
| 02:50.38 | nagyon | abrotman: just taking a peek now |
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| 02:50.57 | abrotman | nagyon: you could paste /var/log/dmesg for others to look at (i won't be around too much longer) |
| 02:51.36 | nagyon | yeah; bppramm might hold the key but i can't read it |
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| 02:52.48 | hamsand | abrotman: i tried to join #debian on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org), but i was required registration and could not join... yesterday, i could join without any registration. |
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| 02:53.05 | abrotman | hamsand: should be open now |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | hamsand: or you can just ask here |
| 02:53.21 | \amethyst | hamsand: there was some kind of either attack or technical problem going on |
| 02:53.50 | \amethyst | did anyone ever say what that was, btw? |
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| 02:55.18 | hamsand | \amethyst, abrotman: i got an error message: "Cannot join channel (Need to be identified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register.)", thx |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | so ask here |
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| 03:02.05 | DanDare | what are those volatile apt repositories for Lenny ? |
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| 03:02.29 | craigevil | !volatile |
| 03:02.29 | dpkg | i heard volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 03:08.12 | nagyon | !bppramm |
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| 03:15.42 | adb | !bpp |
| 03:15.42 | dpkg | adb: Insert "DefaultColorDepth 16" into /etc/X11/XF86Config for 16bpp. or man XF86Config to find out where to put it, heh.. Bits Per Pixel |
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| 03:20.12 | kingpin2 | hi |
| 03:20.20 | kingpin2 | i need help installing mencoder and mplayer |
| 03:20.23 | kingpin2 | can someone please help thanks |
| 03:21.31 | adb | aptitude install ? |
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| 03:22.19 | kingpin2 | but |
| 03:22.27 | kingpin2 | aptitude install mencoder dont work |
| 03:22.28 | adb | lenny ? |
| 03:22.31 | kingpin2 | ywp |
| 03:22.32 | kingpin2 | yep |
| 03:22.34 | nsadmin | there's always a but... |
| 03:22.39 | adb | !dmm lenny |
| 03:22.39 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 03:22.55 | kingpin2 | I even searched. |
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| 03:23.10 | kingpin2 | Ok |
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| 03:27.43 | adb | dpkg: tell kingsley about mencoder |
| 03:28.22 | DanDare | i see something different about Lenny, lot of packages are SVN versions. How this alter my life ? |
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| 03:36.41 | cantido | DanDare: maybe people are starting to use svn revision numbers instead of versions.. |
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| 03:37.22 | DanDare | cantido, yeah i think i just realized this. Now im trying to use svn on Lenny. apt-get install svn still not working |
| 03:37.58 | cantido | DanDare: well, svn is shorthand isn't it .. the package you're looking for is subversion |
| 03:38.34 | DanDare | ok cantido, thank you |
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| 03:48.19 | bwlang | i'd like to reconfigure a working system (imaged from another...) tried to install base-config - but that doesn't seem to work anymore... what's the right way? |
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| 03:50.49 | hat0 | hey all. i have a library that i have written that i would like to eventually try to get into the debian repositories in some fashion. i have read a bit about finding a sponsor to submit the package on my behalf - any pointers on where to go for more information? |
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| 03:50.56 | Jids | considering that the whole set of Debian install discs is ~20.4 gigs, how much space is recommended? i was originally planning to give 50 gigs, but now i'm not sure |
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| 03:52.07 | cantido | Jids: you don't need to install all 20,000 or so packages |
| 03:52.22 | cantido | Jids: you also don't need to download all the discs. |
| 03:52.23 | dondelelcaro | Jids: I've never used more than about 8G |
| 03:52.25 | Jids | true... how much space would an average user use? |
| 03:52.30 | Jids | ah |
| 03:52.37 | Jids | cantido: too late for that =/ lol |
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| 03:52.42 | Jids | 50 gigs it is then :) thanks |
| 03:52.44 | dondelelcaro | Jids: but that's for the OS. As far as how much space I use as a user, the number is nearly infinite. |
| 03:54.06 | Jids | how much space should i give for swap? |
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| 03:54.52 | dondelelcaro | Jids: 2x ram is generally more than enough, but you can start out with 1x ram and use a swapfile if you need more |
| 03:55.00 | dondelelcaro | Jids: really depends on what you're doing with your machine, though |
| 03:55.03 | Jids | well i've got 8 gigs of RAM, so ... |
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| 03:55.22 | dondelelcaro | Jids: probably 1G of swap is more than enough |
| 03:55.33 | hat0 | jids, try it without swap |
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| 03:55.43 | Jids | i plan on using it as a learning server - winxp/7/Debian as triple-boot, and 50 gigs to ~8 other OSs so i can learn how to set them up as servers and to interact with each other - those others will be in vms |
| 03:56.15 | Jids | what is swap actually used for? |
| 03:56.22 | Iu | ram when you run out of ram |
| 03:56.30 | cantido | I thought you're meant to have at least as much swap as real memory... |
| 03:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Iu: not quite |
| 03:56.36 | Iu | meh -3- |
| 03:56.45 | Iu | who actually uses swap |
| 03:56.51 | Iu | I have like <100K in swap |
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| 03:57.06 | dondelelcaro | Jids: swap is used to store things that were in main memory when it's more efficient to use main memory to do something else |
| 03:57.15 | Jids | ah |
| 03:57.20 | Jids | hum |
| 03:57.27 | Iu | 956.99 MB total, 0 bytes used |
| 03:57.31 | Iu | derp |
| 03:57.35 | dondelelcaro | generally if you don't have a lot of long-lived, seldomly-used processes, or you aren't running near maximum, you probably won't ever use it |
| 03:57.44 | Jids | if i'm running 3/4 vms with ~1.5 gigs of RAM each... should i make a swap partition? |
| 03:57.47 | cantido | If you want to be "enterprise" you're meant to allocate swap everytime you allocate real memory, linux doesn't do that by default though |
| 03:57.56 | Iu | Jids: yes |
| 03:57.59 | dondelelcaro | cantido: there's no point in doing that |
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| 03:58.10 | Jids | Iu: and how large should i make it? |
| 03:58.31 | Iu | it's not a production server, is it? |
| 03:58.51 | Jids | not for now, no |
| 03:58.52 | dondelelcaro | Jids: I'd start with around a gig or so, but it depends on what you're doing. With experience you'll know exactly how big it needs to be, and you can always add more swap |
| 03:58.53 | cantido | dondelelcaro: Um there is, hence other unixes do it by default .. i.e. solaris |
| 03:59.33 | hat0 | i have 4gb of ram, and i can't remember the last time any of my 3 gb of swap was used |
| 03:59.34 | dondelelcaro | cantido: there's no point in having a duplicate of main memory on disk; it just wastes disk |
| 03:59.44 | Jids | dondelelcaro: well i plan on creating more partitions after this one, so ... there wouldn't really be much space for swap - or should i put it at the end of my disk rather than right after my Debian partition? |
| 04:00.15 | dondelelcaro | Jids: Debian can use swapfiles, so you don't actually need a swap partition |
| 04:00.15 | cantido | dondelelcaro: you don't duplicate the memory into swap, you allocate as much swap as real memory.. so then when you actually need to swap pages out you have enough allocated |
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| 04:00.44 | Jids | dondelelcaro: i'd rather not use up the 50 gigs of Debian space if i don't have to though |
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| 04:00.58 | dondelelcaro | cantido: but then you're just wasting swap; it's not like it's expensive or gains you anything |
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| 04:01.30 | cantido | Jids: just have a gig or so of swap so when something goes wrong and starts leaking you can recover |
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| 04:01.46 | dondelelcaro | (and solaris doesn't do pre-allocation, HP-UX and AIX do) |
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| 04:02.05 | Jids | cantido: at the beginning or at the end of my free space? |
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| 04:02.42 | cantido | Jids: shouldn't matter, fastest bit of the disk I suppose |
| 04:03.22 | Jids | disks are faster or slower in different places? o.o |
| 04:03.25 | Jids | ehh i'll just give 5 gigs |
| 04:03.31 | Jids | should be more than enough |
| 04:03.50 | Jids | should it be a primary or logical partition? |
| 04:03.54 | dondelelcaro | Jids: doesn't matter |
| 04:03.56 | hat0 | what difference does swap make if something starts leaking badly and fills up 8 gb of ram? won't it just start filling up that last few gb of swap, too? |
| 04:04.13 | hat0 | how are you going to recognize and stop it in time, if it's that badly leaking? |
| 04:04.24 | dondelelcaro | hat0: that's not what swap is for, actually |
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| 04:07.29 | hat0 | if you've got a whole bunch of memory, what is it for? |
| 04:07.29 | \amethyst | you may have some non-dirty (read-only or unwritten) pages that get used more often than some dirty pages |
| 04:07.29 | \amethyst | suppose you need to free up some RAM |
| 04:07.29 | \amethyst | if you have swap you can swap out the less-frequently used, but dirty, pages |
| 04:07.29 | \amethyst | if you don't, your only choice is to evict the frequently used non-dirty pages (e.g. code segments) |
| 04:07.29 | hat0 | that's a technical explanation of why it might be used from the kernel perspective, but if you've got 8 gb of memory, why bother? |
| 04:07.29 | dondelelcaro | hat0: it depends on what you're doing |
| 04:07.29 | \amethyst | because 8GB isn't infinity? :) |
| 04:07.29 | hat0 | what if you've got 16gb? or 32gb? is there ever a point where you'd say "ok don't bother with swap"? |
| 04:07.29 | Jids | can logical partitions be read and written to by all other OSs? |
| 04:07.29 | hat0 | neither is a few more gb of swap |
| 04:07.29 | dondelelcaro | Jids: generally, yes |
| 04:07.29 | cantido | dondelelcaro: according to sun memory allocations count immediately against swap.. so there we go |
| 04:07.29 | Jids | dondelelcaro: generally? |
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| 04:07.29 | dondelelcaro | Jids: if a partition table can be read by an OS, it can read all of the partitions |
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| 04:07.29 | Jids | ah, alright |
| 04:07.29 | dondelelcaro | (not every OS can read every type of partition table) |
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| 04:07.31 | \amethyst | hat0: when you have more RAM than you will ever use, even if all your executables are completely paged in, then swap is pointless |
| 04:07.41 | hat0 | ok, excellent. |
| 04:07.48 | Jids | how do i designate it as a swap partition? |
| 04:07.48 | hat0 | so we just need to get that much memory, and we're good! |
| 04:07.51 | dondelelcaro | cantido: hrm... what i'm reading says that it stopped at 2.6 OE. But then again, it doesn't make it a particularly sane thing to do |
| 04:08.06 | \amethyst | hat0: except by then the programs will be bigger, we'll be running more of them, etc :) |
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| 04:08.30 | hat0 | hey man, we all know firefox has its problems, but be kind.. ;) |
| 04:08.34 | cantido | mmm I wouldn't say swap is pointless.. |
| 04:08.49 | Jids | how do i designate a partition as a swap partition? |
| 04:09.00 | cantido | if you have a big application, jvm with a massive heap or something, it makes sense to swap inactive parts out |
| 04:09.07 | dondelelcaro | Jids: you just format it with mkswap |
| 04:09.11 | \amethyst | cantido: I was saying that if if you never need to evict a page from RAM, it's useless |
| 04:09.30 | Jids | mkswap? is it possible to do that during the Debian install process? |
| 04:09.39 | dondelelcaro | Jids: it does it all for you, actually |
| 04:09.50 | dondelelcaro | Jids: you just select the partition and tell it to use it as swap |
| 04:10.09 | Jids | dondelelcaro: the only options are /<something>, and i didn't see one that was /swap or anything such |
| 04:10.21 | valan | eh, make a ramdisk to put the swap file in! |
| 04:10.49 | dondelelcaro | valan: there are a few 4U (iirc) ram-based drives... |
| 04:11.03 | dondelelcaro | Jids: there's the Use as: option. Select swap. |
| 04:11.12 | Jids | ah |
| 04:11.22 | dondelelcaro | Jids: you've probably got Use as: ext3 or something selected |
| 04:11.24 | Jids | gonna have to wait a min to do that... it froze on me :( |
| 04:11.30 | Jids | ahh okay |
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| 04:14.37 | Jids | so for the Debian partition.. use as: ext3 journaling file system, format the partition: yes, mount point: /, mount options: defaults, label: Debian, reserved blocks: 5%, typical usage: standard, bootable flag: on |
| 04:14.51 | Jids | or should i not bother with formatting and assigning a label? |
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| 04:19.17 | petafile | Where does the update-grub utility look to decide what the root= line of menu.lst will be? I'd like to change it and not have it clobbered every time I update a kernel |
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| 04:20.23 | dondelelcaro | petafile: in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:20.43 | dondelelcaro | (see the kopt line) |
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| 04:22.11 | petafile | thanks. Do I need to do anything after running update-grub to make it permanent? |
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| 04:26.04 | Jids | "The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/." |
| 04:26.13 | Jids | and the installer's frozen again :( |
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| 04:26.31 | Jids | what should i do? |
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| 04:38.23 | Jids | i'm scanning all the discs i burned ot find packages... i don't need to insert the update disc too, do i? |
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| 04:39.11 | cantido | Jids: install packages from the internet is a lot easier.. |
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| 04:39.37 | cantido | Jids: if you scan all the discs everytime you go to install something it'll want you to insert the disc |
| 04:39.53 | jpinx-eeepc | whoa Jids do a net install and make life easy :D |
| 04:39.53 | Jids | cantido: my limit is very low atm |
| 04:40.05 | Jids | i don't wanna go over my limit again or i'm gonna get charged more |
| 04:40.24 | Jids | i'd rather keep switching discs than have to pay |
| 04:40.36 | cantido | Jids: ah, so discs are a better option for you. scan all the disks |
| 04:40.39 | cantido | discs |
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| 04:40.47 | Jids | besides... i'm not near an eth port, i've only got a wifi card |
| 04:40.56 | Jids | and i don't wanna take this thing downstairs |
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| 04:41.46 | Jids | cantido: so do i need to scan the update disc or no? |
| 04:42.57 | nagyon | I'm only seeing 4GB ram on a 64-bit machine with 8gb; running kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64... been investigating for hours |
| 04:43.43 | nagyon | bios sees 8gb... but grub shows an upper memory of ~4gb along with the o/s |
| 04:43.49 | cantido | nagyon: does your chipset support more that 4gb of ram? |
| 04:43.56 | nagyon | cantido: yes, up to 24gb |
| 04:44.34 | Jids | is it important to know how to set up a DNS server in the IT industry? |
| 04:44.46 | cantido | mmm maybe you could use the kernel option to force the amount memory.. |
| 04:44.53 | DynV | I'm tying to install Debian 5.01 "lenny" i386 using graphical install, everything goes well until I get to the "select and install software" section where I get a fail. I tried a search to get a hint but found nothing helpful. Oh ! Near the beginning I got 2 corrupt file errors about boot something where I though there would be an option to retry or to insert a floppy getting the files... |
| 04:44.55 | DynV | ...from there but there was only continue and when I clicked it it seemed to moved on. Do I have to reinstall the whole thing or is there somewhere I could look more into ? I'm not very good at linux. Thank for you help :) |
| 04:45.53 | cantido | Jids: depends what your job is |
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| 04:45.53 | Jids | well i'm setting up this box to learn how to set up and manage servers... it's only going to be used as a testing environment |
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| 04:46.04 | Jids | which is the reason for the 50 gigs per system/vm i mentioned earlier |
| 04:46.11 | cantido | Jids: what sort of server though? |
| 04:46.31 | Jids | any... i'm in IT, but there's a lot i don't know about wrt computing, so i'm setting this up to learn |
| 04:46.58 | Jids | i don't know what exactly i should know, but i know i need to learn about web and file servers... i've set up my own ftps, so i'm okay there |
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| 04:48.35 | Jids | should i install the DNS server package anyway? or should i leave it until i know more about it? |
| 04:49.54 | Jids | cantido? |
| 04:50.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Jids: if you want to learn about dns - you'll need the server |
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| 04:51.19 | Jids | jpinx-eeepc: i don't know if i want to or not though... this is just a testing server between VMs, mainly... |
| 04:51.59 | jpinx-eeepc | then don't - you can install it later |
| 04:52.00 | cantido_ | Jids: I think to really learn something you need a project that forces you to learn it.. real goals etc |
| 04:52.20 | Jids | that's true |
| 04:52.22 | jpinx-eeepc | what cantido said ;) |
| 04:52.34 | DynV | what's the name of the installation software manager again ? |
| 04:52.50 | jpinx-eeepc | install apache, bind, postfix and get down to it |
| 04:52.52 | cantido_ | DynV: packages or system installation? |
| 04:53.00 | cantido_ | why not exim? |
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| 04:53.02 | DynV | cantido_: packages |
| 04:53.13 | cantido_ | DynV: aptitude, apt-get, dpkg.. |
| 04:53.18 | dida | hi all, i'm installing email server using apt-get |
| 04:53.21 | Jids | so ... install DNS now or no/ |
| 04:53.36 | cantido_ | Jids: dns is pretty important for most networks |
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| 04:53.55 | DynV | cantido_: no ... I found it a while ago, the simple interface where you couldselect web server, desktop environment, ... |
| 04:53.55 | cantido_ | Jids: I'm not sure you'll learn much but installing a server and doing lookups against it though |
| 04:53.59 | Jids | but should i install the DNS server package now? |
| 04:54.00 | dida | i inserted different subdomain with my hostname |
| 04:54.02 | cantido_ | DynV: tasksel |
| 04:54.04 | dida | is it ok? |
| 04:54.07 | Jids | k i won't bother with it for now then |
| 04:54.08 | xororand | are there any advantages to using plain dm-crypt over LUKS? |
| 04:54.13 | DynV | cantido_: AH ! :) |
| 04:55.29 | cantido_ | Jids: you might want to play with something like maradns first,.. instead of bind. get a domain and setup a dns server for it :) |
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| 04:55.58 | Jids | well i'll leave that for now... it's already on the software install screen |
| 04:55.59 | jpinx-eeepc | doesn't know what's difficult about bind |
| 04:56.14 | DynV | I've always used debian withdesktop environment but I'm setting a box to access remotely, so while installing even if I get desktop environment, can I use it just as I didn't have it ? what would I start with if there was no desktop environment ? a prompt ? |
| 04:56.25 | cantido_ | jpinx-eeepc: it's not difficult, you just don't need half of what it can do most of the time |
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| 04:56.27 | jpinx-eeepc | *all* the mailservers are difficult and non-intuitive |
| 04:56.55 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido true - it's agot lots of bells and whistles |
| 04:57.50 | cantido_ | powerdns is middle ground I suppose, it's pretty simple but has lots of bolt ons and backends |
| 04:57.52 | jpinx-eeepc | but it's almost an industry standard |
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| 04:58.34 | Jids | what's the default resolution for the Debian installer, 1024x768? |
| 04:58.43 | Jids | and what's the default resolution after install? |
| 04:58.49 | jpinx-eeepc | have to confess that i have never seriously used anything else |
| 04:59.07 | cantido_ | Jids: Xorg picks that according to the display connected if I remember correctly |
| 05:00.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Jids: it should be automagick |
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| 05:00.28 | Jids | lol |
| 05:00.28 | jpinx-eeepc | but you can reconfig later if needed |
| 05:00.52 | jpinx-eeepc | jids just about everythign can be sorted out after the install |
| 05:00.56 | Jids | true |
| 05:01.45 | Jids | i hate summer -.- it's so hot |
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| 05:03.00 | DynV | please I'm about to reinstall and I'd like to know: I've always used debian with desktop environment but I'm setting a box to access remotely, so while installing even if I get desktop environment, can I use it just as I didn't have it ? like tweaking a config file to boot with or without it ? or it's an intricate part of the system that's hard to revert ? |
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| 05:03.27 | zc00gii | what happens when dpkg returns error2? |
| 05:04.03 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: depends what you want to access remotely for |
| 05:04.48 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: I access my debian box to run desktop applications, like the browser etc locally |
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| 05:05.27 | cantido_ | jpinx-eeepc: you only need some X11 libs and ssh on the machine to do that though :) |
| 05:05.59 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: I'm a programmer and I don't know much about servers, I usually access one that's installed through SSH, I only get a promp ; everyting's installed and running, sometime I restart it or restart a LAMP program but most of the time I move files around |
| 05:06.10 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido_ I use the iceweasel package installed remotely |
| 05:06.40 | cantido_ | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, you don't need Xorg installed to do that though |
| 05:07.03 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: sounds like you can do without X then |
| 05:07.37 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I'm looking at X11vnc - which I believe *will* need xorg remotely |
| 05:08.17 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: at some point when I feel comftable with only prompt I'll be able to uninstall what's been installed as "desktop environment" ? |
| 05:08.21 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: um, the vncserver implements most of its own Xserver.. so you don't need xorg, just some of the base x11 libs I think |
| 05:08.33 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: X11vnc though, not sure |
| 05:08.52 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: totally - that's the beauty - you can install and uninstall at wil |
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| 05:09.28 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: haven't done it eyt - it's a "tomorrow" job ;) |
| 05:09.34 | Jids | what's the difference between the regular "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64" and the "<insert_previous_here> (single-user mode)"? |
| 05:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe this week |
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| 05:10.18 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: tightvncserver depends on xserver-common and some libs,.. :) |
| 05:10.35 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: x11 forwarding over ssh is nicer if you have a local xserver though |
| 05:10.44 | jpinx-eeepc | yep - I'll need to explore x11vnc |
| 05:10.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !x11vnc |
| 05:10.57 | dpkg | from memory, x11vnc is a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/, or best invoked remotely as ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 host 'x11vnc -localhost -display :0' &sleep2;vncviewer localhost |
| 05:11.21 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: is there a config file that I can tweak the server acting as the "desktop environment" wasn't there even if it's still installed like: startup.conf > boot_environment=desktop_environment/prompt ? |
| 05:12.08 | jpinx-eeepc | depends on which desktop you choose, but usually - yes |
| 05:12.30 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: that was for me ? |
| 05:12.31 | cantido | DynV: if you don't want the graphical login etc you just need to either remove the display manager or move it's script out of that runlevel |
| 05:12.53 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: yes - sorry |
| 05:13.03 | DynV | cantido: cool, I don't know what'S runlevel yet hehhe :) |
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| 05:13.16 | cantido | DynV: what do you program? |
| 05:13.16 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: :) |
| 05:13.25 | Jids | thanks everyone for your help, it was very much appreciated :) i'll probably ask for more help tomorrow nigh |
| 05:13.32 | Jids | night* :) g'night all |
| 05:13.38 | DynV | cantido: I'm not picky but the latest was PHP |
| 05:13.51 | cantido | ah, so you're a webdeveloper then |
| 05:14.08 | DynV | cantido: yup :) did bad work, trying to improve |
| 05:14.43 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: it's a doddle to install apache and php and it runs pretty much out of the box |
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| 05:16.08 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: oh yes :) I'm just trying to learn more about sysadmin, how to run a "real" server not the desktop one where all was already done |
| 05:16.09 | jpinx-eeepc | for what you want as a webdeveloper that's pretty much it |
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| 05:16.44 | cantido | DynV: having a desktop doesn't make it less of a server really |
| 05:16.51 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: well debian is good like that - everythign *is* pretty much done ;) |
| 05:17.00 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: there's a sysadmin opening, I'd like to know some skill to apply |
| 05:17.28 | jpinx-eeepc | my eeepc is a public mail and webserver with PHP and it's also my desktop |
| 05:17.30 | DynV | cantido: I know but the servers that I'd have to run as a sysadmin wouldn't have it so I have to learn to run them without |
| 05:18.21 | cantido | You'd still have to do the config with an editor and a shell |
| 05:18.30 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: I think what you mean is administering the system from the commandline |
| 05:19.30 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: I have a desktop, but all my sysadmin is on the commandline |
| 05:19.56 | jpinx-eeepc | and I administer the desktop from teh commandline too -- good practice ;) |
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| 05:22.46 | DynV | how does that partion sound over 37G in order ? / 350M /usr 5G /home 26G /var 1.2G swap 800M |
| 05:23.10 | \amethyst | DynV: is this a 64-bit system? |
| 05:23.21 | cantido | DynV: 350M root might be a problem |
| 05:23.28 | Jids | oh... i have an ASUS EN9600 Silent and an ASUS mobo... are there any applications that i can use to monitor the temperature of my CPU, GPU, and mobo? |
| 05:23.29 | DynV | \amethyst: no |
| 05:23.37 | Iu | cantido: he's got a separate partition for /usr, seems fine... |
| 05:23.38 | DynV | cantido: so 500M ? |
| 05:23.48 | cantido | Jids: lmsensors |
| 05:23.54 | Iu | although I would actually make an extra partition for /boot 20M |
| 05:23.56 | Jids | cantido: it'll do all 3? |
| 05:24.09 | cantido | Iu: a single kernel is like 20M these days.. |
| 05:24.09 | Iu | or bigger if you plan on having extra kernels |
| 05:24.17 | Iu | what |
| 05:24.25 | DynV | Iu: let's say 1 more kernel what size ? |
| 05:24.25 | Jids | can it also change fanspeeds? |
| 05:24.27 | \amethyst | DynV: then such a small root is probably okay... the problem is that on Debian amd64, the 32-bit libraries etc go in /emul, and can be big |
| 05:24.38 | Iu | my kernel is 6mB |
| 05:24.49 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: why split it up so much? |
| 05:24.52 | cantido | Iu: might is 3M and 4M initramfs |
| 05:25.04 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: it's the default split |
| 05:25.14 | \amethyst | do you plan on mounting /usr readonly? |
| 05:25.17 | Iu | DynV: why would you need so many kernels |
| 05:25.22 | cantido | Iu: with disk so cheap whats the point in being skimpy? |
| 05:25.31 | DynV | Iu: I'm new, I'm just planning |
| 05:25.32 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: default in which installer? |
| 05:25.45 | \amethyst | DynV: hm... I'd say to just do /, /home, and /swap |
| 05:25.52 | \amethyst | DynV: err, /, /home, and swap |
| 05:25.54 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: 5.01 lenny i386, 3rd option |
| 05:25.56 | jpinx-eeepc | nods |
| 05:26.12 | Iu | DynV: 100mB is more than enough for any /boot |
| 05:26.16 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.20 | DynV | so what sizes and order ? |
| 05:26.59 | Iu | DynV: is this a server or home pc? |
| 05:27.00 | DynV | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.10 | Iu | um |
| 05:27.10 | Iu | no |
| 05:27.13 | DynV | Iu: planning to be a server |
| 05:27.14 | Iu | you need way more space in / |
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| 05:27.15 | Iu | lol |
| 05:27.25 | Iu | um |
| 05:27.29 | Iu | how much ram do you have? |
| 05:27.41 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: 4G for / - 3x RAM for Swap and the rest /home |
| 05:27.42 | cantido | DynV: / is where all your applications will go unless you have /usr.. so you want to make that a couple gig at least |
| 05:27.53 | DynV | 512 but my setup tells me it won'T allow more than 256M !!!! |
| 05:28.02 | Iu | o_o |
| 05:28.03 | DynV | 512M* |
| 05:28.10 | Iu | what |
| 05:28.12 | Iu | that's weird |
| 05:28.15 | DynV | my BIOS setup |
| 05:28.20 | DynV | sorry |
| 05:28.24 | Iu | ...what |
| 05:28.31 | jpinx-eeepc | has a similar problem with unusable RAM |
| 05:28.32 | Iu | so there's something wrong with your memory modules |
| 05:28.39 | \amethyst | Iu: or an old old motherboard |
| 05:28.49 | \amethyst | that doesn't support RAM of that size |
| 05:28.51 | Iu | ...either way hardware problem |
| 05:28.59 | jpinx-eeepc | mine's a too-old laptop :-/ |
| 05:29.15 | cantido | I can only use 3Gig of 4gig :( |
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| 05:29.28 | \amethyst | cantido: that's standard for 32-bit OSes without PAE turned on |
| 05:29.33 | Iu | it's called 32bit withou pae |
| 05:29.41 | Iu | without* |
| 05:29.52 | cantido | \amethyst: 64bit CPU/OS and duff memory controller |
| 05:30.04 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: 4 G for /, 1 G for swap and the rest for /home |
| 05:30.07 | cantido | Iu: Some intel controllers can only address 4GB |
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| 05:30.35 | cantido | Iu: and a gig is allocated for PCI address space, so no smartarse |
| 05:30.35 | Iu | :S |
| 05:31.01 | \amethyst | so the chipset isn't really 64-bit capable? |
| 05:31.14 | DynV | \amethyst: it's supposed to accept as much as 4G http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ttgFv99nv0kJ:developer.skolelinux.no/machines/dell-poweredge-2550-spec.pdf+poweredge%2B2550%2Bspec&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a |
| 05:31.33 | DynV | googled "poweredge+2550+spec" |
| 05:31.59 | cantido | \amethyst: Apparently when Intel released the EMT64 stuff they didn't have a chipset that was actually capable of addressing more than 4GB to go with it |
| 05:32.05 | cantido | \amethyst: on the desktop at least. |
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| 05:32.31 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: so from the previous setup I layed out, I suppose / and /usr go in / ? |
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| 05:33.17 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: yes - / takes everything except /home |
| 05:33.38 | jpinx-eeepc | I am using abour 2.5G on my box for / |
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| 05:34.33 | DynV | can I install with 256M then fix it to enable 512M or the amount of RAM I have at setup will affect the installation ? |
| 05:34.44 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: so leave yourself room and add at least 1 G to that |
| 05:34.45 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: thank you :) it's the usual setup ? |
| 05:35.02 | Iu | jpinx-eeepc |
| 05:35.11 | Iu | it's a good idea to mount /tmp and /var as noexec if it's on a production server |
| 05:35.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Iu: it's not |
| 05:35.47 | Iu | you only need /var as exec when install stuff |
| 05:35.48 | Iu | :| |
| 05:36.08 | cantido | noexec only counts for ext2 doesn't it? |
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| 05:36.39 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: kiss - go with / /home and swap |
| 05:36.54 | Iu | enjoy your botnet |
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| 05:39.33 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: / and /home logical right ? |
| 05:39.51 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: primary |
| 05:40.07 | DynV | both ? |
| 05:40.15 | adb | yes |
| 05:40.18 | DynV | k :) |
| 05:40.28 | cantido | DynV: you only need logical partitions if you have more than 4 |
| 05:40.58 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: everything primary |
| 05:41.32 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: / and /home as ext3 |
| 05:42.21 | jpinx-eeepc | believes in kiss ;) |
| 05:42.42 | DynV | The partitions of the following device will be changed |
| 05:42.44 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: he could just stick it all on / ;) |
| 05:42.50 | DynV | jpinx-eeepc: ty :) |
| 05:43.22 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: yes - but seperate home might be good for his budding sysadmin skills ;) |
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| 05:44.04 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: you can change things later - even the partitioning - that'll test your sysadmin ;) |
| 05:44.19 | DynV | someone was trying to convince me to go with BSD but I prefer the freedom of development with linux, everyone can make his/her distribution :D |
| 05:44.30 | cantido | DynV: you can with bsd too |
| 05:44.54 | jpinx-eeepc | DynV: you're in the right shop :) |
| 05:45.01 | DynV | cantido: oh ... I red it was centralized and had to be committed |
| 05:45.09 | DynV | read* |
| 05:45.30 | cantido | DynV: which BSD though,.. there are/were both FreeBSD and NetBSD based versions of Debian |
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| 05:46.23 | cantido | DynV: most people who rant on about the greatness of BSD for web hosting get stuck when you ask them which "BSD" they mean ;) |
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| 05:46.54 | DynV | cantido: I'm new to *nix, I just read it was more centralized, I had bad personnal experience with "benevolant dictator" and forked so I favor that was of doing things |
| 05:46.56 | iamtheobject | CentOS rules the web hosting sphere |
| 05:47.09 | iamtheobject | out of the 2500 servers the company I work for has I'd have to say 95% of them are centos |
| 05:47.25 | iamtheobject | same way with the rest of the datacenter |
| 05:47.41 | cantido | iamtheobject: yes, that makes centos great. clap clap |
| 05:47.56 | iamtheobject | I never said anything about whether or not that made it great. |
| 05:47.58 | iamtheobject | ... |
| 05:48.17 | jpinx-eeepc | that's a miniscule sample of the servers on the net |
| 05:48.33 | EmleyMoor | If I am expected to build and look after a system I put Debian on it |
| 05:48.57 | cantido | DynV: you're free to do what you like with most of the BSD's. With open/free/net bsd the userland and the kernel are pretty tight though. Linux is more of a mix and match, distro's choose tools that fit their style |
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| 05:50.19 | songer | hello |
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| 05:54.31 | DynV | cantido: yes I support that philosophy, put whatever you want out there even uber crap and people can and should check about it first |
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| 05:56.36 | slipshot | this is a slightly older post and i would like to know if it is the right way to compile a kernel? |
| 05:56.40 | slipshot | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 05:57.30 | slipshot | ^^^ |
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| 05:58.31 | cantido | DynV: mmm there should be some quality control.. ;) |
| 05:59.02 | Manoj | slipshot: I would not compile in /usr/src, since /usr/src is usually g+s, but apart from that it seems fine |
| 05:59.07 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: who sets the standards - that's always the burning issue |
| 05:59.20 | Manoj | compiling kernel sources in ones homedir is kosher too |
| 05:59.34 | DynV | cantido: a rating is a good control |
| 05:59.45 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: well, with FOSS software, generally if it's shit no one will use it and it'll fizzle away |
| 05:59.47 | Manoj | who creates the ratings? |
| 06:00.00 | Manoj | most ratings for software I se out there are utter crap too |
| 06:00.15 | Manoj | for example, most OS reviews mostly talk about installation |
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| 06:00.21 | DynV | an association of reviewers, developpers, packagers, ... |
| 06:00.32 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: which is the best form of control - by the users themselves;) |
| 06:00.33 | songer | hello |
| 06:00.35 | DynV | AND |
| 06:00.38 | Manoj | though installation is a teeny fraction of the time one spends on an OS |
| 06:00.39 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: this whole web2.0 user generated content mania has proved that shit propagates though |
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| 06:01.00 | slipshot | ok thanks |
| 06:01.12 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.20 | Manoj | DynV: if you take in everyones opinion, you get a clash of opinions -- and can't really conclude anything |
| 06:01.32 | cantido | Manoj: and the reviewer pans it because they couldn't get XYZ working with it due to their own incompotence |
| 06:02.12 | Manoj | it often takes time to get to know a distribution or an application well enough to judge which one is better |
| 06:02.27 | Manoj | and that means spending more than a day or a week on it |
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| 06:02.52 | DynV | Manoj: eg BogusOS ratings C+ by 25 seniors with 342 user ratings / comments like download.com editor and user rating |
| 06:03.06 | jpinx-eeepc | songer: install flash |
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| 06:04.25 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell songer about flash |
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| 06:05.01 | DynV | is in love with RAID |
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| 06:05.35 | jpinx-eeepc | send it a valentine's card then;) |
| 06:05.45 | DynV | I will ! |
| 06:05.48 | jpinx-eeepc | ooops - it's not february |
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| 06:06.26 | franki^ | but it is 2007, right? |
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| 06:07.26 | DynV | ty for the help, cya :) *lurking* |
| 06:07.32 | songer | well I installed debian, In it has already but youtube it can't work very well |
| 06:08.09 | jpinx-eeepc | songer: did you read the mesage from dpkg? |
| 06:08.17 | franki^ | songer: you probably want one of these packages: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:08.17 | songer | no |
| 06:08.36 | DynV | !tell DynV about flash |
| 06:09.00 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell DynV about selftell |
| 06:09.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 06:09.38 | DynV | ooops ! my bad |
| 06:09.38 | dpkg | i guess flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:09.45 | jpinx-eeepc | songer ^^ |
| 06:09.55 | songer | yes |
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| 06:13.02 | kevin01123 | How do I enable my user account to use the "s2ram" command? |
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| 06:13.50 | songer | ok, how can I add the Package? |
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| 06:15.37 | franki^ | !apt | songer |
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| 06:15.41 | franki^ | :| |
| 06:15.55 | songer | ok |
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| 06:18.34 | greenmang0 | !bigmem |
| 06:18.34 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). |
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| 06:20.19 | syntax_enable | odd question, but is there a specific name in a window manager, mwm for example, when minimized applications become seprate icons on the background rather than in an iconbox or taskbar? |
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| 06:24.33 | Manoj | icons? |
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| 06:25.11 | Manoj | fvwm has icon regions, and you can define as many as you want. I have one for emacs frams, another for xterms, and a third region for everything else |
| 06:25.23 | Manoj | never liked icon boxes or task bars |
| 06:25.26 | Jids | how do i config my wireless connection to be WPA instead of WEP? it's only giving me options for WEP |
| 06:25.55 | Manoj | that kinda depends on what you ware using to connect |
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| 06:26.13 | Manoj | wpa_gui has a tab for advanced options |
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| 06:27.41 | c0m1 | Hi. I want to link to boost library in C++ program so I can use boost multi-array. Anyone now what I should link to? There seems to be 200 libboost files here in /usr/lib |
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| 06:35.58 | songer | jpinx-eeepc, thankyounow it works fine |
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| 06:46.06 | The_Dr | Hi, can anyone tell me why the Debian PPC MD5sum file on the servers shows 5 DVDs, but the servers only have one DVD? |
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| 06:53.31 | kgoetz | The_Dr, which servers only have one? |
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| 06:54.30 | The_Dr | kgoetz: all including the primary one in sweden |
| 06:54.41 | Agiofws | does anyone know how i can PUT multiple files into a remote dir using ftp ? |
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| 06:56.07 | kgoetz | The_Dr, odd. i suggest you ask #debian-cd on oftc. there may be a problem |
| 06:56.23 | hamsand | Agiofws: using scp -r somedir remote:~/ |
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| 06:57.02 | Agiofws | hamsand, that aplies for ssh connections |
| 06:57.02 | The_Dr | kgoetz: noone in #debian-cd |
| 06:57.11 | Agiofws | i don;t think you can do that wp ith ft |
| 06:57.17 | Agiofws | i don;t think you can do that with fto |
| 06:57.20 | Agiofws | ftp* |
| 06:57.27 | kgoetz | The_Dr, on OFTC there is (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 06:58.08 | c0m1 | Agiofws: u might try try 'aptitude install lftp', if you want to do this on command line. Or u can use filezilla and do it in a GUI |
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| 07:02.56 | mmarch | hi, I'm trying to install vmware on a fresh debian 5 system... |
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| 07:03.15 | mmarch | I need the kernel headers to compile the kernel module (vmware configure script) |
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| 07:03.46 | mmarch | but it seems I have to compile the kernel to make vmware installer happy... |
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| 07:04.03 | mmarch | anybody has tips about installing vmware (free) server on debian 5 ? Thank you |
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| 07:05.32 | greenmang0 | mmarch: http://tinyurl.com/cubfxq > this might help you |
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| 07:06.52 | mmarch | greenmang0: looks preety good, thank you! :-) |
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| 07:17.30 | sladi | mmarch, why do you need to compile the kernel? |
| 07:17.34 | JyZyXEL | holy fucking shit how do you open files that have nongraphical charactrers in their name |
| 07:17.37 | sladi | vmware installer happy? |
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| 07:17.49 | zinx | JyZyXEL: tab? |
| 07:17.51 | JyZyXEL | i can't give vim the filename since i can't print it |
| 07:18.31 | JyZyXEL | zink, no i will not tab thru over 50000 files |
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| 07:18.50 | hamsand | JyZyXEL: using inode |
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| 07:19.41 | devsys | Has anyone here been experiencing packet loss across the internet today? |
| 07:19.51 | JyZyXEL | hamsand, what |
| 07:20.24 | hamsand | you can see the files inode by ls -i |
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| 07:20.51 | JyZyXEL | hamsand, can i tell vim to open up by inode? |
| 07:20.59 | bony | configuring evolution to fetch mails through proxy. i did configure the proxy settings for evolution but it did not work. can any one help me out in this regard? |
| 07:21.29 | hamsand | JyZyXEL: ls -i. then, find -inum ?????? -exec vim {} \; |
| 07:21.35 | PerryArmstrong | i created a metapackage...but then i am getting some unusual errors and my dependencies are not getting installed...i pasted the terminal commands that i worked at: http://paste.debian.net/39971/ please help me |
| 07:22.13 | hamsand | JyZyXEL: put the file's inode checked by ls -i to ??????, and you will be able to open the file by vim |
| 07:22.27 | JyZyXEL | hax |
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| 07:23.43 | JyZyXEL | non-ascii filenames are a pain in the ass in console |
| 07:24.11 | Iu | doesn't debian5 support utf8 alroady |
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| 07:24.14 | Iu | already* |
| 07:24.15 | Iu | :| |
| 07:24.41 | JyZyXEL | 6.0 will fully support |
| 07:25.23 | The_Dr | Why is there only one debian powerpc dvd? |
| 07:25.38 | sylarrr | I have tried to make grub boot by label, and it cant find it. is there anything special to do if the labeled disk is on an lvm2 that is on mdadm raid5? |
| 07:25.49 | JyZyXEL | The_Dr, well how many did you want then? |
| 07:25.53 | simonrvn | The_Dr: try a different mirror |
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| 07:27.28 | enouf | The_Dr: i can understand not all packages are available for all ports, but i can't imagine 2 DVDs worthnot being ported to the powerpc arch |
| 07:27.30 | mmarch | sladi: the installer told me I probably had to compile the kernel... the page greenmang0 pointed me to gives correct instructions and it doesn't include compiling the kernel, just apt-get install'ing the correct headers |
| 07:27.43 | sylarrr | whats up with the need to be identified on OFTC? |
| 07:27.50 | mmarch | the vmware installer is asking now the license number, so all good so far. |
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| 07:29.28 | PerryArmstrong | i created a metapackage...but then i am getting some unusual errors and my dependencies are not getting installed...i pasted the terminal commands that i worked at: http://paste.debian.net/39971/ please help me |
| 07:29.35 | enouf | sylarrr: i noticed i needed to resign in/on too lately - not sure - i think a botnet attack might've occured - ask perhaps in #debian-ops on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org (and please exit the channel once your issue is answered - thanks) |
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| 07:33.10 | enouf | PerryArmstrong: you might want /msg dpkg #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org |
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| 07:33.24 | rhys | does anyone know of a howto guide on setting up a restricted user for a daemon? |
| 07:33.43 | mmarch | greenmang0: installation succesfull. Thanks. |
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| 07:34.16 | greenmang0 | mmarch: good... |
| 07:35.08 | enouf | rhys: restricted in what ways? does the user need elevated privs, but only sometimes? for certain apps? |
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| 07:36.33 | rabbit7 | hey, does anyboody know of an old woody mirror ? I have a system which i cant update, but I need to install software on it |
| 07:36.43 | rhys | enouf, a more direct question. when setting up a normal user, in no group, is there anything extra I have to restrict to keep it only in its home directory? |
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| 07:36.52 | enouf | rhys: could try some debian-administration .org articles |
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| 07:37.08 | rhys | enough, thats where I went to, haven't found what im looking for |
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| 07:37.31 | enouf | hrm .. you want to jail a user into their own home only? |
| 07:37.40 | rhys | I can easily change the home directory, and shell, but this user should never be able to execute any program... |
| 07:37.44 | rhys | it runs a single daemon |
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| 07:38.12 | nkuttler | !tell rhys about archive |
| 07:38.19 | nkuttler | err |
| 07:38.27 | nkuttler | rabbit7: /msg dpkg archive |
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| 07:38.39 | rhys | thanks |
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| 07:38.52 | enouf | sounds eerily similiar to what the system user 'nobody' is/does, but 'nobody' does have/gets elevated privs |
| 07:38.58 | rhys | wait. archive |
| 07:39.09 | nkuttler | rhys: that wasn't for you, sorry |
| 07:39.23 | rhys | ah. |
| 07:39.34 | rabbit7 | nkuttler: sorry I dont understand |
| 07:39.34 | rhys | enouf, what is the daemon user while I'm at it? |
| 07:39.38 | rhys | I've always wondered that |
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| 07:39.48 | nkuttler | !tell rabbit7 about archive |
| 07:39.57 | rhys | dpkg is shy tonight |
| 07:39.57 | dpkg | rhys: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 07:40.07 | rhys | or not |
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| 07:40.33 | enouf | rhys: see file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html and note 'nobody, nogroup' |
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| 07:41.15 | enouf | rhys: more here -- http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 07:41.16 | rabbit7 | nkuttler: thanks i just found it |
| 07:41.46 | rabbit7 | nkuttler: thanks a lot for your help |
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| 07:44.04 | rhys | hmm. apparently it has to call python.. |
| 07:44.36 | enouf | rhys: you should atleast also be aware of the harden-doc pkg (and other manuals - i recall reading about 'makejail' pkg - then there's also schroot, etc etc), the channel ##security, and |
| 07:44.37 | rhys | I will just setup a user, change its home and shell, and leave it. This is a home box running sid. too much trouble to setup a chroot jail |
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| 07:45.07 | rhys | harden-doc package? very much so. Thanks. |
| 07:45.49 | rhys | Goes more to my point (contested by my co-workers) against using ubuntu-server over debian stable. |
| 07:46.08 | ethanol | Good mornin' all you fellow geeks |
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| 07:47.13 | RaymondX | hi where in debian can you find the daemons? |
| 07:47.34 | rhys | RaymondX, 6th level of hell. turn right. |
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| 07:48.39 | DynV | I'm having problem installing a boot loader on my box, I've tried grub and lilo, with lilo I tried with the MBR and the HD ; I got 3 HD setup as raid 5 by a h/w controller, could the raid be a problem ? the previous steps of the installation went fine so I suppose the h/w setup is ok. |
| 07:48.53 | RaymondX | the boot config where you can see the startup programs |
| 07:49.23 | rhys | RaymondX, there isn't a "boot config" per say, there is sysV. /etc/init.d/ |
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| 07:50.11 | bkraptor | how can I find out what kernel and gnome version is in sid? |
| 07:50.19 | rhys | RaymondX, the boot scripts check if they have the executable bit, if true, the script is running |
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| 07:50.26 | rhys | is ran* |
| 07:50.31 | RaymondX | uname -r ? |
| 07:50.42 | rhys | bkraptor, http://packages.debian.org |
| 07:50.47 | konnertz | hi, Pls how do i find out which versions of a pkg are available? apt-cache? |
| 07:50.50 | enouf | RaymondX: i use /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 07:51.13 | rhys | konnertz, packages.debian.org . and aptitude search is much better than apt-cache |
| 07:51.47 | bkraptor | rhys: thanks. any idea why it's a mix of 2.24 and 2.26 packages for gnome? |
| 07:52.08 | rhys | None whatsoever. |
| 07:52.09 | konnertz | thx |
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| 07:53.29 | enouf | bkraptor: likely some bugs, check BTS? /msg dpkg gnome ; read the changelogs for whichever pkgs you are interested in - i use apt-listchanges |
| 07:54.27 | enouf | bkraptor: judd (bot) can show you versions - for example |
| 07:54.41 | enouf | oww .. offline atm :-/ |
| 07:55.11 | bkraptor | enouf: thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 07:55.14 | Supaplex | how can I limit how many mysql processes are running? |
| 07:55.21 | enouf | rhys: how is aptitude search better than apt-cache search? |
| 07:55.53 | enouf | Supaplex: maybe ulimit the user it runs as? |
| 07:55.56 | Supaplex | rhys: I'm with enouf. that's a matter of opinion. |
| 07:56.29 | Supaplex | enouf: that thought crossed my mind, but what it like apache it's going to try forking X amount of children, and constantly break doing so? |
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| 07:56.58 | rhys | enouf, to me? package status |
| 07:57.46 | rhys | considering thats all thats different between them. I just like to know whether I already have that package and why I have it |
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| 08:01.09 | rhys | enouf, i guess i thought it was more than that |
| 08:01.40 | Supaplex | meh. dpkg -l is easy. |
| 08:02.01 | rhys | which searches the repositories how? |
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| 08:02.09 | enouf | Supaplex: i think he means aptitude why pkgname |
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| 08:02.23 | enouf | rhys: neither searches the repos |
| 08:02.42 | enouf | it's all local cache - apt-file OTOH |
| 08:02.52 | Supaplex | aptitude why mysql ; echo $? == 1 |
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| 08:03.32 | rhys | dpkg -l shows only installed packages. apt-cache and aptitude both show all possible packages, even if they are just synced locally |
| 08:03.32 | dpkg | ii shows only installed packages. apt-cache and aptitude both show all possible packages, even if they are just synced locally 3.4-11.3 rhys's private gamp collection |
| 08:03.49 | enouf | Supaplex: i really don't know the best way to go about doing that.. |
| 08:03.51 | rhys | ....what did I just do? |
| 08:04.14 | enouf | you triggered the bot dpkg |
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| 08:04.24 | rhys | obviously. what did -l tell it? |
| 08:04.30 | enouf | nothing bad |
| 08:04.32 | Supaplex | dpkg -l hello |
| 08:04.32 | dpkg | ii hello 1.6-12 supaplex's private stamp collection |
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| 08:04.55 | enouf | dpkg list |
| 08:04.55 | dpkg | enouf: VATTENE VIA |
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| 08:08.36 | rhys | bah. contrib packagers. caches go in /var/, configs in /etc. |
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| 08:19.37 | Supaplex | !blame ::1 and 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:19.37 | dpkg | blames dansushi and ::1 and 127.0.0.1 for all the evil in the world |
| 08:20.09 | Supaplex | dansushi: I never knew! you must cause a lot of trouble :) |
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| 08:20.44 | dansushi | um |
| 08:20.45 | dansushi | hi |
| 08:20.55 | dansushi | i hope i didn't do anything wrong |
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| 08:26.23 | tuxcrafter | hi all yesterday i tried calculating how to resize my /dev/sda1 to make a extra 16MB /dev/sda2 |
| 08:26.26 | tuxcrafter | but i failed |
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| 08:28.15 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d2a4428e |
| 08:28.35 | tuxcrafter | how should i calculate the needed blocksize for resize2fs to make a 16MB partion later |
| 08:28.52 | tuxcrafter | and i want to do it with commandline tools not gparted |
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| 08:33.08 | petemc | tuxcrafter: why not just use arguments in megabytes rather than tooling about wuth blocksizes? |
| 08:33.47 | JyZyXEL | maybe he didn't read the manual |
| 08:34.43 | tuxcrafter | petemc: because you cant tell resize2fs to just resize and leave 16MB behind |
| 08:34.59 | tuxcrafter | you need to tell it the new size |
| 08:35.18 | tuxcrafter | so i first need to know the current size then minus the 16MB |
| 08:35.18 | petemc | yes, its size minus 16 |
| 08:35.35 | tuxcrafter | but i dont know what the current size is and what 16MB is in blocks siszes |
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| 08:37.23 | JyZyXEL | Disk /dev/sda: 4034 MB, 4034838528 bytes |
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| 08:38.00 | tuxcrafter | i calculated 3919509 for resize2fs |
| 08:38.03 | tuxcrafter | but that is wrong |
| 08:38.12 | tuxcrafter | it tells me i need to do something with 4K bloks |
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| 08:38.41 | tuxcrafter | but i need some examples how to convert back and to 4K blocks values |
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| 08:40.29 | tuxcrafter | if i must go tot he ext2 devel list to ask because my question is OT just tell me |
| 08:41.01 | mien | hi. what file controls what standard editor to be used in debian? if i write visudo for example, i would like debian to use vim instead of todays standard: joe |
| 08:42.08 | JyZyXEL | why don't you just resize to 4034MB - 16MB |
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| 08:43.15 | hussey_1 | anyone tell me how to apt-get a vesa driver for my monitor ? |
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| 08:44.33 | tuxcrafter | JyZyXEL: i want to but i need to know the values to do that |
| 08:45.31 | JyZyXEL | resize2fs /dev/sda1 4018M |
| 08:45.49 | tuxcrafter | bc <<< "4034-16" |
| 08:45.51 | tuxcrafter | resize2fs /dev/sda1 4018M |
| 08:45.53 | tuxcrafter | i will try that |
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| 08:48.44 | spacepluk | hi, Is gnome in testing broken? or is it my own fault? |
| 08:49.20 | ewet_ | so now i have this fs-error again. it's "EXT3-fs error (device dm-4): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal" and umount says the device is busy so it cannot unmount. drive is a usb dmcrypt medium |
| 08:49.24 | hussey_1 | anyone if the is a vesa module package for debian |
| 08:49.39 | JyZyXEL | spacepluk, broekn how? |
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| 08:50.28 | ewet_ | so what's going on? what to find out next? |
| 08:51.03 | ewet_ | rebooting always resolves the problem for so long but that's no solution |
| 08:52.05 | Ritz2007 | hello |
| 08:52.09 | Ritz2007 | how do u do |
| 08:52.13 | Ritz2007 | all in room |
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| 08:53.16 | spacepluk | JyZyXEL: well, windows get maximized behind gnome-panels |
| 08:53.16 | JyZyXEL | spacepluk, hehe i had the same problem :) |
| 08:53.18 | spacepluk | JyZyXEL: and my hybrid awesome/gnome setup is now working anymore. |
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| 08:53.45 | spacepluk | JyZyXEL: so I guess I have to remove the config files? :P |
| 08:53.57 | ewet_ | no ideas?! |
| 08:54.07 | JyZyXEL | i just changed to xfce |
| 08:54.34 | tuxcrafter | JyZyXEL: it did not work! |
| 08:54.37 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d3f86b0f7 |
| 08:54.59 | spacepluk | JyZyXEL: dammit :P |
| 08:55.22 | tuxcrafter | i need to learn how to calculate in blocks else it does not work i would rally appreciate it if soembody could yust help out with some examples how to use blocksizes |
| 08:55.27 | tuxcrafter | for partitioning |
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| 08:59.14 | tuxcrafter | i will ask on the ext2 mailinglist |
| 08:59.19 | JyZyXEL | you should have enough free space to make a 16M partition |
| 08:59.25 | tuxcrafter | seems this question i s to offtopic |
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| 08:59.36 | tuxcrafter | JyZyXEL: i have enough space |
| 09:00.03 | tuxcrafter | but the total size of the disk is never the total size of the partion |
| 09:00.11 | tuxcrafter | so you cant use 4034-16 |
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| 09:00.24 | tuxcrafter | you have to calculate it |
| 09:00.45 | tuxcrafter | but i tried it to make sure |
| 09:00.48 | tuxcrafter | and it gave an error |
| 09:00.54 | tuxcrafter | its in the pastebin |
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| 09:06.36 | ewet | back again... so "EXT3-fs error (device dm-4): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal" is just hardware-related? change the drive? |
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| 09:13.16 | tuxcrafter | JyZyXEL: thanks for trying to help out i really appreciate it |
| 09:13.58 | K0t0x | hello |
| 09:15.02 | K0t0x | i need several adive, i want to install a little server with linux (in a dell optiplex 760, core duo E8500 3.1GHz, 4Gb ram) |
| 09:15.18 | K0t0x | but my network card is not recognized with debian lenny kernel |
| 09:15.33 | K0t0x | and i have to install spcial kernel for 4Gb ram in 32Bits |
| 09:16.07 | EmleyMoor | What is the network card? |
| 09:16.11 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know how to speedup udev settle systems witout the need to recompile software http://imagebin.ca/img/Bsf2mJqZ.png |
| 09:16.16 | tuxcrafter | my bootchart is very slow |
| 09:16.26 | K0t0x | 82567LM--3 |
| 09:16.27 | tuxcrafter | on the /dev settle parts |
| 09:17.08 | EmleyMoor | Oh - e1000e |
| 09:17.16 | K0t0x | yes lol |
| 09:17.20 | K0t0x | shit e1000e |
| 09:17.41 | K0t0x | i've seen on forum that http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ can resolve my problem |
| 09:17.57 | EmleyMoor | K0t0x: Maybe it can |
| 09:18.10 | K0t0x | but i think, if i install last ubuntu server , it's better? |
| 09:18.36 | K0t0x | ubuntu have more recent kernel? |
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| 09:18.40 | EmleyMoor | This is #debian - we wouldn't advocate ubuntu |
| 09:18.44 | K0t0x | with support my network card |
| 09:19.03 | KC | if you want a recent kernel move to testing |
| 09:19.04 | enouf | ewet: that might even be LVM/RAID related (dm4 == /device/mapper 4, cat /proc/partitions), i see nothing about that particular function in file:///usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs/RELEASE-NOTES.gz on sid version - so not sure |
| 09:19.08 | K0t0x | i know EmleyMoor |
| 09:19.14 | OpenTokix | K0t0x: Why is a more resent kernel better, thats like saying obama is better then bush... ok, bad example. - Anyway, kernel version is not that super important. |
| 09:19.20 | KC | still less unstable than ubuntu |
| 09:19.22 | enouf | ewet: what does google say about it? |
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| 09:19.52 | enouf | tuxcrafter: i use parted, you can tell it in bytes as well as block sizes |
| 09:19.56 | KC | I've got a funky one, every time I upgrade, it changes my grub settings to try to boot off hd1,0 instead of hd0,0 |
| 09:20.32 | K0t0x | i dont know if testing kernel debian is good idea for a "server" |
| 09:20.49 | ewet | enouf: the device in question is a dmcrypt container... |
| 09:20.49 | EmleyMoor | K0t0x: No reason why it shouldn't be |
| 09:21.11 | K0t0x | testing isn't unstable? |
| 09:21.38 | tuxcrafter | that freaing .30 kernel is 8 seconds slower then my .29 |
| 09:21.42 | enouf | ewet: wonderful |
| 09:21.48 | EmleyMoor | K0t0x: Not as stable as stable but not as unstable as unstable (or Ubuntu) |
| 09:21.48 | tuxcrafter | but the .29 is removed from the debian repos |
| 09:21.51 | tuxcrafter | so i cant go back |
| 09:22.02 | K0t0x | ok EmleyMoor |
| 09:22.09 | ewet | on an external usb disk that makes strange clicking noises from time to time... |
| 09:22.21 | ewet | enouf: what do you mean with wonderful? |
| 09:22.23 | themill | tuxcrafter: don't reboot then. All your problems with boot speed are then solved. |
| 09:22.36 | EmleyMoor | If squeeze works for you you can follow it through when it becomes stable |
| 09:22.44 | K0t0x | thx for adivces |
| 09:22.58 | K0t0x | yes |
| 09:23.06 | enouf | KC: that's likely due to either a) your # groot= entry and/or b) your # kopt=root= setting on /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:23.13 | enouf | " every time I upgrade, it changes my grub settings to try to boot off hd1,0" |
| 09:23.14 | EmleyMoor | ran a "testing to stable" system on one of his laptops |
| 09:24.00 | enouf | KC: and it's due to update-grub running, which is also controlled in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 09:24.48 | ewet | oh and now i have "EXT3-fs error (device dm-4): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block" -- google results are very diverse (which points me to the idea it could mainly be a hardware failure) |
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| 09:25.38 | enouf | ewet: is that your '/' FS? /msg dpkg forcefsck |
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| 09:26.09 | KC | I don't have a groot entry |
| 09:26.19 | KC | and root= is whats getting changes |
| 09:26.43 | enouf | KC: yes you do - unless not Debian, or not grub1 |
| 09:26.47 | ewet | enouf: as it is an external usb drive it is in fact not '/' -- check's running for a time now... |
| 09:27.04 | enouf | ewet: ouch |
| 09:27.25 | ewet | yeah |
| 09:27.31 | ewet | :( |
| 09:27.33 | themill | it's probably the "# kopt=root=blah" line that needs fixing |
| 09:27.43 | enouf | mentioned that |
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| 09:27.56 | themill | *nod* |
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| 09:28.11 | KC | enouf: the only groot is in the sample, its not listed out of comments... that may be my problem though |
| 09:28.24 | eevar2 | how do I figure out why this happens: "~# Connection to xxxxx closed by remote host." ? |
| 09:28.32 | enouf | themill: actually, more the # groot, since if it's the "root (hdX,X)" part of the stanza ... oh well |
| 09:28.33 | eevar2 | using ssh |
| 09:28.52 | EmleyMoor | eevar2: ssh -vvv xxxxx |
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| 09:29.04 | enouf | KC: pastebin your menu.lst |
| 09:29.15 | KC | wait, bnever mind |
| 09:29.22 | KC | only one # isn't a comment is it |
| 09:29.27 | KC | thats active |
| 09:29.45 | KC | should work now that that bit is set right |
| 09:29.52 | enouf | KC: another way to fix it is jumble your HDD boot order in BIOS, however, once you do - then you'll still need to edit menu.lst and perhaps even /etc/fstab |
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| 09:30.19 | enouf | KC: correct, in the AUTOMAGIC area .. # is not a comment, but processed |
| 09:30.45 | enouf | two ## are comments |
| 09:30.49 | KC | ok |
| 09:30.58 | jelly | KC: it's a special magical line that looks like a comment but isn't (don't touch the #) :-( |
| 09:31.01 | enouf | KC: but only within that area of the file |
| 09:31.16 | eevar2 | ssh -vvv output: http://pastebin.com/d2865c03 |
| 09:31.17 | enouf | START and END .. blah blah |
| 09:31.21 | jelly | !blame debian grub maintainers |
| 09:31.21 | dpkg | blames ix and debian grub maintainers for all the evil in the world |
| 09:31.25 | ewet | themill, enouf the problem surfaces every week or so. don't you think that a false lvm configuration might be more specific and predictable? |
| 09:32.06 | ewet | fschk says "Inode 8 ist in Benutzung, aber hat dtime gesetzt." which roughly translates to "inode 8 in use but has dtime set" and is working for quite a while now |
| 09:32.10 | enouf | ewet: no idea - you need a e2fsprogs mailing list moreso than tuxcrafter would :-P |
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| 09:33.18 | enouf | ewet: you can export LANG=C in your ~/.bashrc and/or /root/.bashrc (or .profile) to get English output .. if you're manually running fsck, just do that within your shell |
| 09:33.35 | enouf | or preface each command with LANG=C 'command ....' |
| 09:34.34 | tuxcrafter | ewet: run fsck with the -n option |
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| 09:35.32 | ewet | errrm i ran fschk on /dev/mapper/sdb1_crypt and now on re-mounting it says "wrong fs type" holy crap?! :( |
| 09:36.00 | enouf | yikes! |
| 09:36.41 | enouf | starts drinking :-p |
| 09:37.09 | ewet | this is going to be my bad day of the month :( -- funny thing is: the new hd's are already on the way heeheehee! |
| 09:37.44 | ewet | couldn't it just have waited for a week or so?! |
| 09:37.51 | enouf | ewet: preminitions? |
| 09:37.58 | enouf | er premonitions* |
| 09:38.21 | mesa_booger | enouf: LC_ALL=C is the usual incantation |
| 09:38.39 | enouf | mesa_booger: yes, especially where sort and uniq are concerned :-) |
| 09:38.48 | ewet | enouf: it's a usb-drive and no this one has no smart... |
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| 09:39.03 | SauLus | [5~ |
| 09:39.08 | enouf | ewet: i would trust a USB drive as far as i can throw it |
| 09:39.09 | tuxcrafter | E: Package linux-image-2.6.29-2-486 has no installation candidate |
| 09:39.11 | tuxcrafter | why ... |
| 09:39.14 | enouf | wouldn't!* |
| 09:39.17 | ewet | enouf: yeah |
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| 09:39.26 | enouf | themill: apt-get update |
| 09:39.32 | enouf | crap! .. bad tab |
| 09:39.35 | jelly | tuxcrafter: which CPU do you have? |
| 09:39.43 | tuxcrafter | jelly: atom 270 |
| 09:39.44 | themill | !confuse enouf |
| 09:39.44 | dpkg | Yes, what are your snake yesterday, enouf? Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Swaziland with extra cream. |
| 09:39.50 | jelly | tuxcrafter: use a -686 kernel. |
| 09:39.52 | ewet | well ... my music ... my pr0n ... oh well *g* i will sustain even that ;-) |
| 09:39.57 | enouf | starts drinking faster:-p |
| 09:40.00 | tuxcrafter | jelly: but .30 is slow and -686 .29 give crashes |
| 09:40.22 | tuxcrafter | E: Package linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 has no installation candidate |
| 09:40.32 | enouf | ewet: you DO keep Backups .. ofcourse ;-) |
| 09:40.36 | tuxcrafter | and i have a fully updaded cache |
| 09:40.46 | tuxcrafter | and got stable testing untesting and experimental repos |
| 09:41.01 | enouf | !untesting |
| 09:41.15 | enouf | !unstable |
| 09:41.15 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 09:41.32 | ewet | crap :( -- no music today! (#enlighteningmoments) |
| 09:41.51 | enouf | is that an alias for #muzak ? |
| 09:41.54 | enouf | hides |
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| 09:42.34 | tuxcrafter | me goes boem |
| 09:44.06 | DynV | I'm having problem installing a boot loader on my box, I've tried grub and lilo, with lilo I tried with the MBR and the HD ; I got 3 HD setup as raid 5 by a h/w controller, could the raid be a problem ? the previous steps of the installation went fine so I suppose the h/w setup is ok. |
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| 09:49.12 | enouf | DynV: hardware raid would have it's own BIOS you likely want to configure properly, and make it play nice with your System BIOS settings as far as Boot Devices and their order, and which Interface comes 1st in the scan |
| 09:49.54 | ewet | oh... could it be that fschk just dumped the ext3 journal and now it's thinking it's ext2 but isn't thus the wrong fs-type error? |
| 09:50.01 | enouf | DynV: you might need a proprietary controller module, you'd get off the Manu website |
| 09:50.22 | enouf | ewet: careful ! .. very! |
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| 09:50.49 | ewet | enouf: how could it get worse? |
| 09:50.56 | enouf | if you mount that as ext2 _incorrectly_ , you will be really fscked!@ .. worse than you thought you are now |
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| 09:51.09 | DynV | enouf: I saw an option in the BIOS for the order, one was the default one and the other for BIOS ; although I don't understand how could this affect the /installation/ ... |
| 09:51.34 | enouf | cannot recall where the documentation is explicitly making my point... but it's there |
| 09:51.37 | ewet | enouf: yeah but i could recreate y journal? |
| 09:51.59 | ewet | s/y/the |
| 09:52.12 | enouf | ewet: man tune2fs, man e2fs, man e2fsck, man dumpe2fs ... dang |
| 09:53.11 | grul | !free |
| 09:53.12 | dpkg | methinks free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
| 09:53.20 | enouf | ewet: i'm pretty sure you need to use tune2fs to _properly_ remove the journal - THEN, you can mount as ext2, IIRC - please think and read much prior - i can take no responsibility |
| 09:53.22 | grul | !free ram |
| 09:53.22 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 09:53.24 | DynV | enouf: sprry getting tired - I saw an option in the BIOS for the *device* order, one was the default one and the other for *raid* |
| 09:53.49 | enouf | DynV: you said " the /installation/" went ok? |
| 09:53.54 | enouf | oh |
| 09:54.25 | ewet | enouf: sounds reasonable - thanks so far :) |
| 09:54.53 | enouf | BTW - turn on C-SPAN2 -- Computer spyware and cookie related stuff |
| 09:55.05 | enouf | ewet: no prob |
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| 09:57.27 | DynV | enouf: no it wasn't ok but I don't see how the BIOS setting would affect the installation, from an outside perspective it seem it would only for booting ; like installing an engine electrical system in your car would be ok but it wouldn't start as it's the wrong engine detectors or voltage ... |
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| 09:59.30 | DynV | oh a better example, you write an instruction for a colleague while you're on holiday but it's written in a foreign language |
| 10:00.04 | DynV | he can see something's on the paper and read the letters but not use it |
| 10:00.06 | enouf | "Behavorial Online Advertising" http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=287116-1 |
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| 10:00.32 | enouf | "Witnesses testified about online advertising and privacy issues. They focused on "behavioral online advertising", or advertising that follows users web browsing history with the intention of tailoring advertisements to that user. They talked about the role of federal legislation in protecting the privacy of users." |
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| 10:01.53 | enouf | DynV: the Installer has it's own way of booting/scanning/detecting your hardware, the bootloaders you then install afterwards are not related |
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| 10:02.53 | DynV | enouf: ok so it's the precheck that block the installation ? sorry im new |
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| 10:03.19 | enouf | DynV: i have no idea what options your BIOS offers, but if your Controller is a PCI/PCI-X or even a PCIe card, it would need to be available prior to it's attached disks being usable |
| 10:03.36 | enouf | or .. even if it was externally attached - moreso |
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| 10:04.27 | enouf | DynV: why don't you try giving us some specifics about exavctly which hardware controller, it's interface and attached disks, and ARCH you installed |
| 10:05.17 | enouf | btw "externally attached" means firewire, usb, esata, etc |
| 10:05.21 | DynV | enouf: 5.01 lenny i386 on http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ttgFv99nv0kJ:developer.skolelinux.no/machines/dell-poweredge-2550-spec.pdf+poweredge%2B2550%2Bspec&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a |
| 10:05.36 | enouf | ow .. a PERC? |
| 10:05.51 | DynV | Page 1 Dell PowerEdge 2550 |
| 10:06.49 | DynV | sorry I don'T see perc on the page |
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| 10:08.37 | enouf | heh, neither do i - but ; embedded Ultra3 (U160) SCSI/RAID controllers" |
| 10:08.55 | enouf | and "Drive controllers" |
| 10:08.56 | enouf | Embedded dual channel Ultra3 (U160) SCSI |
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| 10:09.42 | enouf | PERC == Power Edge Raid Controller ? |
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| 10:10.12 | DynV | never saw PERC before |
| 10:10.41 | Dassu | perc sounds like arse in f |
| 10:10.42 | Dassu | i |
| 10:10.49 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/drivers/scsi/megaraid/Kconfig.megaraid |
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| 10:11.17 | DynV | it's super SUPEr cool to buy a server that was probably 2k$+ for 100$ :D |
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| 10:12.13 | enouf | DynV: i got a Dual Xeon p4 for free :-P |
| 10:12.30 | DynV | enouf: you're a sysadmin ? |
| 10:12.33 | enouf | DynV: still have yet to mess with it though |
| 10:12.47 | DynV | enouf: WHERE DO YOU LIVE ? |
| 10:12.51 | enouf | DynV: i try to be ,,, not yet paid for it ;-) |
| 10:12.53 | DynV | I'll come snatch it |
| 10:12.57 | enouf | heh |
| 10:13.05 | enouf | !mine |
| 10:13.05 | dpkg | hmm... mine is ircII |
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| 10:13.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:13.16 | DynV | :) |
| 10:13.33 | DynV | !mine |
| 10:13.33 | dpkg | mine is probably ircII |
| 10:13.47 | enouf | !botabuse |
| 10:13.47 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 10:13.53 | DynV | :D |
| 10:13.56 | enouf | :-p |
| 10:14.35 | DynV | enouf: where does your nick come from ? |
| 10:15.01 | enouf | !enouf |
| 10:15.01 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 10:15.07 | enouf | there |
| 10:15.08 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 10:15.22 | DynV | ah |
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| 10:15.57 | aprendiz001 | I am having problems with glpi software in lenny about group membership. The members dissapear each day, anybody are using glpi in debian lenny? |
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| 10:16.42 | DynV | enouf: so about the raid, I have to point the MB bios at the raid bios ? |
| 10:16.57 | enouf | DynV: depending on which PERCn (where n == 1-5 or something), you might need/want megaraid or even aacraid support - http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/scsi/aacraid.txt I thought the PERCs were basically LSI logic based, but maybe older ones are/were Adaptec based |
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| 10:17.30 | enouf | DynV: you might .. i can't say - read the Manual? ;-) |
| 10:18.09 | DynV | enouf: I'll do but I had to know where to start |
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| 10:18.19 | enouf | sure .. no worries |
| 10:18.32 | enouf | DynV: see if wiki.debian.org can help more |
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| 10:19.22 | enouf | DynV: lspci -nn output and it's PCIID should be a nice starting point as well |
| 10:21.02 | DynV | enouf: cool ! :) |
| 10:21.29 | ewet | enouf: okay i'll have a raid five times bigger than my current config in two days. so i considered to just mirror this faulty disk somewhere on it and do everything from there |
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| 10:24.25 | antii | I am using osx and samba on my linux server, i got a website, but lets say when i try to "overwrite" the file like home.html it saves as ._home.html |
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| 10:24.39 | enouf | DynV: http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml |
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| 10:26.40 | DynV | enouf: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PowerEdge-Expandable-RAID-Controller-(Dell)-(PERC).html |
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| 10:28.06 | enouf | antii: that's pretty odd, as i recently saw someone in #bash asking how they could cp all '*.jar' files and rename then with prepending each with a ._ ; so they (the copies) all become "_.somefilename.jar" |
| 10:28.24 | antii | lol |
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| 10:28.49 | enouf | er, or '._somefilename.jar' ..i forget offhand .. wait |
| 10:29.14 | antii | heh |
| 10:29.26 | enouf | antii: 20:17 < xp_prg> ok I want to find all jar files then copy them to the same name with ._ in the front |
| 10:29.29 | enouf | 20:17 < xp_prg> find . -name "*.jar" -exec cp {} ._{} \; ? |
| 10:29.46 | antii | uhm |
| 10:30.03 | enouf | was that you? :-p |
| 10:30.15 | enouf | or .. your coworker :-p |
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| 10:30.27 | enouf | messing with you O_o |
| 10:30.33 | fireba11 | hoi |
| 10:31.44 | enouf | DynV: i think i can recall PERC better without that silly Expandable in there :-p |
| 10:32.57 | JyZyXEL | _wnck_window_get_name_for_display (WnckWindow *window, gboolean use_icon_name, gboolean use_state_decorations) |
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| 10:33.10 | JyZyXEL | i really fucking wonder how do you make the system call that shit with use_state_decorations false |
| 10:33.18 | enouf | ewet: i see . ok |
| 10:33.29 | JyZyXEL | like where are you supposed to set it |
| 10:33.48 | themill | JyZyXEL: language, attitude, wrong channel. |
| 10:33.56 | JyZyXEL | themill, what channel? |
| 10:34.31 | themill | JyZyXEL: whatever stack you are using -- #debian doesn't do programming. |
| 10:35.00 | JyZyXEL | well its not really programming |
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| 10:37.31 | JyZyXEL | so when you apt-get source something how do you compile it to a debian package? |
| 10:37.54 | enouf | !package basics |
| 10:37.55 | dpkg | package basics is, like, The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 10:38.33 | enouf | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:38.33 | dpkg | dpkg-buildpackage is, like, a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
| 10:38.50 | JyZyXEL | now thats better |
| 10:39.19 | enouf | !beer dpkg |
| 10:39.19 | dpkg | pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for dpkg |
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| 10:40.33 | enouf | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg debian/rules for even more/other things |
| 10:40.47 | JyZyXEL | oh how nice i need 138MB of dev packages |
| 10:40.49 | JyZyXEL | to compile this |
| 10:41.04 | enouf | install build-essential and devscripts and fakeroot too |
| 10:41.08 | JyZyXEL | all this because i wanted one line of the code commented out |
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| 10:41.17 | gcds | hello |
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| 10:41.22 | enouf | the -dev are are the build headers |
| 10:41.24 | JyZyXEL | id be better off doing it with asm straight to the binary |
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| 10:41.40 | enouf | alright - stop trolling now |
| 10:41.41 | gcds | is any way to to put post install script to deb package? |
| 10:42.05 | gcds | like after install it would be executed |
| 10:42.19 | enouf | !package recompile |
| 10:42.20 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename 3) apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; (edit debian/rules to change compile options); (add entry to debian/changelog with version +yourname1 at the end) 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb |
| 10:42.47 | enouf | or see /msg dpkg package basics |
| 10:43.05 | gcds | but is posible? |
| 10:43.48 | enouf | gcds: a .postinst would be executed during install, mainly - and there are others like .{pre,postrm |
| 10:43.59 | disposab1e | i have a server with two NICs and 2 IP addresses. in my bind zone file i have an A record for its eth0 address. can i have another A record with same hostname for the eth1 address? (as a failover) |
| 10:44.06 | enouf | gcds: er .{pre,postrm} etc |
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| 10:44.11 | gcds | thanks |
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| 10:44.50 | enouf | gcds: look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for an idea |
| 10:44.59 | gcds | ok |
| 10:45.04 | gcds | i will look thanks |
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| 10:51.20 | DynV | enouf: update http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=40470 |
| 10:52.06 | DynV | enouf: if you got an account there and want to pitch in go ahead ;) |
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| 10:55.42 | enouf | DynV: gotcha - but you might want to also try the debian-user mailing list |
| 10:56.38 | enouf | DynV: give detailed info if you do - and output of lspci -nn and maybe dmesg .. even if you have to boot a livecd to get it |
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| 10:57.37 | enouf | DynV: that's older hardware though, so i'd think it should be well supported |
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| 10:57.41 | DynV | enouf: at this moment I haven'T shut off my installation, so I should end the installation without a boot loader then use a live cd ? |
| 10:58.08 | enouf | although - one reads things like this; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/drivers/scsi/megaraid.c#L4672 |
| 10:58.48 | enouf | DynV: well .. yes, if you cannot install a bootloader, then yes, and /msg dpkg rescue mode |
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| 10:59.57 | greenmang0 | has anybody tried fingerprint authentication ? |
| 11:00.06 | DynV | enouf: I meant the current OS isn't scrap, it just can't boot on it's own so it need the assistance of the live CD ? |
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| 11:00.43 | DynV | greenmang0: I'll never be fingerprinted unless I go to jail |
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| 11:01.11 | greenmang0 | DynV: ok... :) |
| 11:01.59 | JyZyXEL | is it safe to rm -rf /tmp/* |
| 11:02.19 | enouf | DynV: well, there are ways to externally use bootloaders, but find a livecd like maybe a recent sysresccd,org, grml.org, or knoppix or something - maybe even /msg dpkg debian-live |
| 11:02.20 | JyZyXEL | like if the feds show up to take your computers |
| 11:02.52 | enouf | JyZyXEL: see TMPTIME= in /etc/default/rcS |
| 11:03.00 | greenmang0 | JyZyXEL: it is not... atleast if you are using KDE or Gnome |
| 11:03.38 | enouf | but generally,m yes, unless ... correct - any X related things use it - if you want the system to still run as is, when you do that |
| 11:03.50 | greenmang0 | enouf: it's set to zero.. what does that mean? |
| 11:04.04 | enouf | it means 0 days |
| 11:04.16 | JyZyXEL | 0d! |
| 11:04.25 | enouf | your /tmp will be wiped upon reboot |
| 11:04.50 | enouf | or perhaps even after your /etc/cron.*/* scripts run even |
| 11:04.51 | greenmang0 | enouf: ok... so TMPTIME=0 is the reason for that... cool :) |
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| 11:04.57 | enouf | yes |
| 11:05.40 | greenmang0 | !seems mr. bot has left this server |
| 11:05.43 | greenmang0 | :) |
| 11:05.46 | enouf | mine is set to =365 .. i'm a packrat :-p |
| 11:05.54 | greenmang0 | enouf: :D |
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| 11:06.47 | JyZyXEL | would be cool to have a tmp purging script in case the feds show up to confiscate your hardware |
| 11:06.52 | enouf | !where were you? |
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| 11:06.52 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 11:08.41 | tresh | when i install libapache2-mod-php5 according to http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Getting_PHP_running_with_Apache i cannot 'a2enmod php5' as the module is not created. Any hints? |
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| 11:09.13 | enouf | you could strace that command and check all your other apache2 config files in /etc |
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| 11:11.11 | DynV | OH yeah ! botsex ! |
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| 11:11.35 | themill | tresh: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5"" |
| 11:11.39 | DynV | I wanna see those packages deliveries |
| 11:12.44 | tresh | themill: http://pastebin.com/m3df1189d |
| 11:13.07 | tresh | ah sorry, pasted it twice |
| 11:14.20 | enouf | tresh: well, no worries, it's always good to show which actual command you ran + it's output |
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| 11:16.16 | tresh | when i uninstall the package i get this: http://pastebin.com/m6e5e64a9 |
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| 11:16.52 | tresh | so it seems the module does not get installed in a correct way in the first place |
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| 11:18.29 | enouf | tresh: hrm, perhaps try "apt-get -f install" or use aptitude if you use that |
| 11:18.32 | ribasushi | is numlockx the blessed way to have Xorg *keep* the numlock on on startup? |
| 11:18.46 | ribasushi | or there is a way to teach xorg to leave the current state intact (as set by the bios) |
| 11:19.00 | enouf | tresh: or you're just missing some needed pkgs |
| 11:19.37 | enouf | ribasushi: many DEs have a setting for that within their control panels |
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| 11:19.47 | ribasushi | enouf: no DE |
| 11:19.48 | enouf | kde3.x does |
| 11:19.53 | enouf | good |
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| 11:20.06 | ribasushi | enouf: you of all people talking about a DE? /me boggles |
| 11:20.15 | ribasushi | :) |
| 11:20.23 | enouf | ribasushi: i'm referring to you et al :-p |
| 11:20.42 | ribasushi | fluxbox + a ton of keyboard shortcuts |
| 11:21.03 | ribasushi | the windows key is sooooooo useful :) |
| 11:21.29 | enouf | ribasushi: i just recall that info from days long gone by, my NumLock has never worked properly, through many Releases, and many different Keyboards, and yes many BIOS changes attempts |
| 11:21.31 | ribasushi | anyway - does my question have an answer on the xorg level? |
| 11:21.48 | ribasushi | I see |
| 11:22.10 | enouf | try #debian-x perhaps on irc.debian.org (OFTC.net) |
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| 11:22.55 | enouf | Homepage: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/numlockx/ |
| 11:23.02 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:24.42 | enouf | ribasushi: especially frustrating is when switching between Console and X |
| 11:25.01 | ribasushi | enouf: each remembers it's own state |
| 11:25.09 | enouf | no proprietary Video drivers used either - though i even tried that once |
| 11:25.17 | enouf | ribasushi: not here |
| 11:25.21 | ribasushi | hell each VT has its own numlock state |
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| 11:25.29 | ribasushi | really? interesting |
| 11:25.31 | enouf | it doesn't remember shit |
| 11:25.50 | enouf | when i come out of Console to X, X always lost the LED |
| 11:26.14 | ribasushi | wfm just tested |
| 11:26.34 | ribasushi | alt+f2/f4 remembered their numlocks |
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| 11:26.43 | ribasushi | while everything else remained off |
| 11:26.53 | ribasushi | now the led indeed acts funky |
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| 11:32.42 | enouf | DynV: btw, noticed? "PowerEdge Servers With Aacraid-Supported ROMB Or Add-In" ... "PowerEdge 2550 - PERC3/Di - dual RAID channels, U160 SCSI" ? |
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| 11:33.06 | bsulzer | hey guys. |
| 11:33.19 | DynV | enouf: in which page ? |
| 11:33.54 | bsulzer | i've a question: how can i do it, that visudo brings up geany? |
| 11:33.59 | DynV | enouf: sorry I'm gettin tired ;) |
| 11:34.33 | abrotman | bsulzer: you could change your editor, but you probably wouldn't want to change it to something like that |
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| 11:35.00 | bsulzer | abrotman: why wouldn't want that? |
| 11:35.15 | abrotman | what if your GUI is broken ? |
| 11:35.17 | enouf | DynV: don't worry , most of that info is old outdated, about 2,2,x and 2.4 kernels :-P |
| 11:35.50 | DynV | enouf: isn't 5.01 lenny using 2.4 ? |
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| 11:36.17 | jelly | DynV: nope, only 2.6 kernels are supported |
| 11:36.28 | enouf | DynV: 06:15 < enouf> DynV: http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml |
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| 11:36.35 | DynV | jelly: ty |
| 11:36.38 | bsulzer | abrotman: well, if my GUI is broken, i think my top priority is fixing it, and not messing around with sudo... ;) |
| 11:37.18 | enouf | DynV: but AFAICT, it's a PERC3 and uses aacraid |
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| 11:38.18 | enouf | then again - concerning recent 2.6 kernels; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/drivers/scsi/megaraid/Kconfig.megaraid |
| 11:39.19 | enouf | which i also posted that URL before - DynV - that info is available with any kernel source you d/l from kernel.org and Debian has linux-doc pkgs also - see /Documentation/ dir |
| 11:39.29 | bsulzer | and changing my editor would be with update-alternatives, right? |
| 11:39.46 | enouf | erm ... that File isn't under /Documention, but others are |
| 11:40.32 | enouf | Dell PERC3/Di 1028:000E:1028:0123 |
| 11:41.16 | enouf | themill: where's judd? napping? |
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| 11:43.01 | abrotman | bsulzer: first try like `EDITOR=geany visudo` |
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| 11:43.31 | enouf | backticks? |
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| 11:43.49 | bsulzer | abrotman: with ort without export? |
| 11:44.02 | abrotman | without |
| 11:44.05 | abrotman | enouf: bad habit .. i know |
| 11:44.06 | enouf | and i don't know what geany is, but maybe you want gksu? |
| 11:44.20 | abrotman | gtk/gnome-ish editor IIRC |
| 11:44.23 | DynV | enouf: cool :) |
| 11:44.34 | enouf | heh - TeX/LaTeX related abrotman ? |
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| 11:45.32 | abrotman | enouf: no, lazy hands |
| 11:45.38 | abrotman | don't ask |
| 11:45.59 | deever | why actually does the apt package not depend on dpkg? |
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| 11:50.26 | bsulzer | abrotman: works fine |
| 11:50.53 | bsulzer | but i think i have to do that ev'rytime i start visudo |
| 11:51.17 | abrotman | you can do it that way |
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| 11:53.15 | enouf | abrotman: aye, but the ' and ` are so far apart :-P |
| 11:53.28 | bsulzer | abrotman: or set the default editor to geany? |
| 11:53.46 | Deepa | sources.list, deb. How do I make it want all sections? |
| 11:53.47 | abrotman | bsulzer: update-alternatives |
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| 11:54.37 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there guys ...... i have a flash memory stick in my computer right now ...and it tells that 600 MB are used and actually i dont see any thing |
| 11:55.16 | Deepa | sources.list, deb. How do I make it want all sections? Without specifying the names of them that is |
| 11:55.44 | petemc | some sort of magic? |
| 11:56.07 | enouf | DynV: note; output from a "modinfo megaraid_mbox" command http://pastebin.ca/raw/1471023 on my installed Debian 2.6.29-2-686 |
| 11:56.09 | petemc | is it too hard to type main non-free contrib? |
| 11:56.46 | enouf | petemc: no, but saving the changes in vim, for a neophyte might be O_o |
| 11:56.46 | greenmang0 | Deepa: what do you mean? not getting you |
| 11:56.56 | Deepa | Well I have more sections than main, non-free and contrib |
| 11:57.07 | enouf | universe? |
| 11:57.11 | enouf | hides |
| 11:57.29 | petemc | Deepa: which? |
| 11:57.46 | greenmang0 | paste.debian.de -> paste your sources.list here |
| 11:57.47 | cobra-the-joker | i cant get gparted from debian repo |
| 11:57.56 | greenmang0 | Deepa: ^^ |
| 11:58.05 | petemc | cobra-the-joker: why not? |
| 11:58.23 | enouf | DynV: but, i have no idea what a Mailbox driver is, concerning RAID :-p (though, i bet it's Dell's proprietary DMI interfave for remote management) |
| 11:58.25 | Deepa | greenmang0, thing is. I don't know what to add to it to make it take all sections :P |
| 11:58.38 | cobra-the-joker | petemc , dont know.. actually i typed aptitude install gparted |
| 11:58.43 | cobra-the-joker | did i miss any thing ? |
| 11:58.44 | EmleyMoor | Deepa: Nome one of these sections |
| 11:58.47 | EmleyMoor | Name |
| 11:58.53 | petemc | cobra-the-joker: and what did aptitude say in reply to that? |
| 11:58.55 | Deepa | Applications |
| 11:59.13 | greenmang0 | Deepa: as far as i know there's no such section |
| 11:59.18 | petemc | there surely is not |
| 11:59.20 | EmleyMoor | Deepa: That's not a section in the sense that main etc. are |
| 11:59.23 | cobra-the-joker | nothing happened ...just the ordinary stuff ..but 0B was downloaded ans nothing was installed |
| 11:59.27 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: aptitude update ? |
| 11:59.41 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: pastebin the output of your command |
| 11:59.41 | Deepa | It's not one of the repos provided by Debian |
| 12:00.02 | EmleyMoor | Deepa: 3rd party repo? Read its instructions. |
| 12:00.08 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: or .. your mirror choices are really shot :-p |
| 12:00.14 | Deepa | It has no instructions! |
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| 12:00.22 | Deepa | Though it's built with reprepro |
| 12:00.31 | greenmang0 | Deepa: any links?? |
| 12:00.36 | themill | deever: dpkg is an essential package. "Depends" aren't required to be listed on essential packages because they're umm essential. See section 3.5 of policy. |
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| 12:01.14 | Deepa | It's internal so none that you could access unfortunately :/ |
| 12:01.14 | cobra-the-joker | http://pastebin.com/d298116f7 |
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| 12:01.24 | enouf | themill: essential == required ? |
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| 12:01.44 | enouf | (as part of priority) |
| 12:02.07 | Deepa | Components* that's what they are called in reprepro |
| 12:02.12 | greenmang0 | Deepa: how can it be without instructions??? then trial-and-error is the next best thing |
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| 12:02.47 | deever | themill: sec 3.5 of which policy? :) |
| 12:02.55 | themill | dpkg: tell deever about policy |
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| 12:03.04 | Deepa | Adding a deb line to /etc/sources.list is not exactly rocket surgery :p |
| 12:03.24 | EmleyMoor | ... or brain science? <g> |
| 12:03.36 | greenmang0 | :D |
| 12:03.46 | enouf | Deepa: especially if it's the wrong file in the wrong dir/ |
| 12:03.50 | themill | enouf: Essential is its own field in debian/control -- see §3.7 and 3.8 |
| 12:03.53 | Deepa | but rocket surgery sounds so much nicer :-) |
| 12:03.54 | cobra-the-joker | shall i paste bin my sources.lst ?? |
| 12:04.06 | enouf | Deepa: /etc/sources.list should be "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 12:04.21 | bsulzer | i'd like to change the default editor to geany. but in update-alternatives --config editor geany doesn't show up... why? |
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| 12:04.26 | Deepa | My bad |
| 12:04.28 | greenmang0 | enouf: oh.. yeah |
| 12:04.31 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.37 | Deepa | But when I'm editing the file I'm always editing the right one :P |
| 12:04.41 | Zvpun | I want to use my windows key as compose key. How do I do that? From xev I found that pressing the key raises a KeymapNotify event and no KeyPress event. I also tried gnomes keyboard setting dialog but neither windows left nor windows right worked (i have only one). What does work is using the capslock key, but I want it to be on the windows key. |
| 12:04.50 | enouf | themill: interesting - i see, not one of the 7 or so of "priority" |
| 12:04.55 | greenmang0 | Deepa: right one?.. which one? |
| 12:05.04 | Deepa | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:05.11 | greenmang0 | hmm |
| 12:05.25 | Deepa | Atleast that's where apt has it's sources.list on my system |
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| 12:05.43 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: something is funky - /msg dpkg sources.list and /msg dpkg security |
| 12:05.51 | greenmang0 | Deepa: on every default debian installation |
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| 12:06.32 | enouf | Zvpun: in xorg.conf, IINM |
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| 12:06.49 | enouf | meta_win under Xkboption or similar |
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| 12:06.59 | Javi-K | Hi ! |
| 12:07.01 | cobra-the-joker | enouf ...so what shall i do ? |
| 12:07.07 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 12:07.16 | Zvpun | enouf: cant I try it first with xmodmap? I am confused, why it gives a keymapnotify and no keypress event |
| 12:07.18 | DynV | enouf: did you receive my PM ? |
| 12:08.25 | enouf | Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,compose:winlogo" or something |
| 12:08.51 | enouf | DynV: ahh .. one second, and please ask 1st ;-) |
| 12:09.48 | DynV | enouf: I hope you like all that porn and spam I've PMed you |
| 12:10.01 | enouf | heh .. liar! |
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| 12:10.27 | DynV | ok off for a few hours :) |
| 12:11.29 | bsulzer | abrotman: geany doesn't show up at update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 12:11.54 | abrotman | bsulzer: you'd probably have to add it .. but it's really probably easier to do what i showed you before (did you try saving the file?) |
| 12:12.56 | bsulzer | abrotman: that only does it for visudo, right? |
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| 12:14.04 | bsulzer | abrotman: i'm asking cuz i'd like to set geany as default editor for evrything... (at least more or less ev'rything |
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| 12:14.57 | bsulzer | abrotman: btw, which file? |
| 12:15.10 | abrotman | bsulzer: that would do it for each command you put the 'EDITOR' before .. |
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| 12:15.27 | abrotman | bsulzer: you could alternately set it in your .bashrc or .bash_profile |
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| 12:16.33 | bsulzer | abrotman: and what is the difference between .bashrc and .bash_profile? |
| 12:16.43 | abrotman | they have comments at the top telling you |
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| 12:17.35 | deever | themill: allright, thank you! :) |
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| 12:20.46 | Zvpun | enouf: why does my win key show keymapnotify instead of keypress? |
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| 12:21.18 | cobra-the-joker | any body knows a good repo for debian ?? |
| 12:21.22 | bsulzer | abrotman: hm, doesn't work with export EDITOR=geany in .bashrc |
| 12:21.36 | abrotman | bsulzer: is this an xterm ? |
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| 12:21.43 | bsulzer | abrotman: yes |
| 12:21.55 | cobra-the-joker | it seems that i dont have a repo to get gparted |
| 12:22.03 | abrotman | did you restart it ? did you export it? |
| 12:22.30 | bsulzer | abrotman: i hit ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 12:22.47 | abrotman | i didn't mean that way to restart .. but okay |
| 12:22.54 | abrotman | did you export the setting ? |
| 12:23.37 | bsulzer | i did. i wrote export EDITOR=geany in .bashrc. or isn't that exporting? |
| 12:23.57 | bsulzer | is a noob |
| 12:24.09 | enouf | Zvpun: i can't say, all i can say is i've ruined many keyboards from even minor spills on them .. right now, this one does all sorts of weird shit :-P |
| 12:24.58 | greenmang0 | TheCoffeMaker: make me a coffee :p |
| 12:25.37 | enouf | bsulzer: are you using bash as your shell? or dash or zsh perhaps/ |
| 12:25.39 | enouf | ? |
| 12:25.40 | bsulzer | greenmang0: at lest he's no CoffinMaker.. ;) |
| 12:25.52 | enouf | bsulzer: also ls -l /bin/sh |
| 12:26.11 | TheCoffeMaker | hohoho |
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| 12:26.36 | enouf | TheCoffeMaker: is Kris Kringle? |
| 12:26.51 | bsulzer | enouf: /bin/sh points to bash |
| 12:26.52 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: heh |
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| 12:27.05 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: echo $EDITOR |
| 12:27.08 | enouf | bsulzer: ok, and echo #SHELL says? |
| 12:27.21 | enouf | bsulzer: er ok, and echo $SHELL says? |
| 12:27.28 | themill | cobra-the-joker: your favourite text editor is the best repo editor. We were still waiting for you to pastebin your sources.list. Also "/msg dpkg bat" and provide the info suggested there. |
| 12:27.59 | bsulzer | greenmang0: echo $EDITOR says geany |
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| 12:28.13 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: and $SHELL? |
| 12:28.19 | bsulzer | enouf: echo$SHELL says /bin/bash |
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| 12:28.30 | enouf | hrm .. what about that sensible-editor thingy .. |
| 12:28.35 | enouf | bsulzer: good |
| 12:28.39 | cobra-the-joker | themill , when i paste bin my sources.list ...it tells me that its spam |
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| 12:28.59 | enouf | haha |
| 12:29.16 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: try a different pastebin site, or use pastebinit pkg |
| 12:29.26 | themill | cobra-the-joker: use a different pastebin paste.debian.net is usually ok |
| 12:29.29 | greenmang0 | heh |
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| 12:30.53 | cobra-the-joker | http://paste.debian.net/39991/ |
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| 12:31.07 | bsulzer | enouf: and what do i know now, i have done that? |
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| 12:32.46 | enouf | bsulzer: does 'visudo' then open up geany? |
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| 12:33.41 | enouf | wasn't that the issue you were having? |
| 12:33.45 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: or crontab -e for that mattter |
| 12:33.55 | bsulzer | enouf: nope, not at all, it opens nano |
| 12:34.07 | kdub | i have a very slow dhcp server and the installer times out looking for a response. how can i make the installer wait longer? |
| 12:34.08 | greenmang0 | what about crontab -e? |
| 12:34.12 | bsulzer | i'm the biggest IDIOT on the whole world |
| 12:34.19 | abrotman | the biggest? |
| 12:34.19 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: ^^ |
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| 12:34.20 | bsulzer | i did sudo visudo |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | !pal bsulzer |
| 12:34.27 | dpkg | points at bsulzer and laughs hysterically |
| 12:34.46 | bsulzer | abrotman: the biggest |
| 12:34.46 | enouf | heh .. welp - you might need an update-alternative entry - i don't know - maybe since geany is gnome-related? there's some specific gconf-editor or setting somewhere - no clue man |
| 12:35.05 | enouf | omg .. |
| 12:35.17 | bsulzer | enouf: i have a clue, you do too? |
| 12:35.24 | abrotman | he would have to add it to the alternatives for editor .. who knows what other issues that would cause system wide |
| 12:35.58 | enouf | bsulzer: if you did to /root/.bashrc as what you did to your ~/.bashrc, that would work |
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| 12:36.03 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: what about crontab -e?? |
| 12:36.17 | bsulzer | enouf: exactly |
| 12:36.23 | enouf | bsulzer: but don't do 'sudo visudo' :-P |
| 12:36.28 | greenmang0 | enouf: that's the reason i am asking him to do crontab -e |
| 12:36.34 | greenmang0 | LOL |
| 12:36.51 | enouf | greenmang0: he would've done "sudo crontab -e" |
| 12:36.53 | bsulzer | greenmang0: crontab -e is working with geany |
| 12:36.54 | enouf | O_O |
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| 12:37.04 | greenmang0 | :D |
| 12:37.11 | bsulzer | enouf: ok, ok, i now... ;P |
| 12:37.28 | greenmang0 | LOL |
| 12:37.35 | bsulzer | enouf: why don't sudo visudo? |
| 12:38.11 | bsulzer | enouf: i can't call visudo from a normal user |
| 12:38.27 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: ofcourse you can *not* |
| 12:38.28 | abrotman | sudo EDITOR=geany visudo ? |
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| 12:39.49 | bsulzer | abrotman: works |
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| 12:41.00 | enouf | !pal me |
| 12:41.00 | dpkg | points at enouf and laughs uproariously |
| 12:41.30 | enouf | flaked out there for a minute |
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| 12:42.00 | kingpin2 | how do I install how to install fmpeg lame libogg mencoder flvtool2 and libvorbis on debian lenny |
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| 12:42.19 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 12:42.19 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 12:42.21 | valdyn | kingpin2: ^^ |
| 12:42.26 | kingpin2 | I tried apt-get install how to install fmpeg lame libogg mencoder flvtool2 libvorbis but it gives anerror on libogg and libvorbis |
| 12:42.28 | x4d | Hello, I've messed up apache while trying to set up several domains and unfortunantly I was not taking note of the config files I've modified. I would like to start over with a default setup, how can I get apache removed and the preferences back to the originals? |
| 12:42.41 | valdyn | !tell kingpin2 -about search |
| 12:42.55 | kingpin2 | apt-get remove apache2 |
| 12:43.01 | kingpin2 | apt-get install apache2 |
| 12:43.01 | valdyn | kingpin2: no |
| 12:43.04 | valdyn | kingpin2: no |
| 12:43.14 | x4d | kingpin2: that does not remove the config files |
| 12:43.14 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 12:43.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 12:43.17 | kingpin2 | o |
| 12:43.19 | valdyn | x4d: ^^ |
| 12:43.32 | kingpin2 | wait |
| 12:43.35 | valdyn | x4d: the package containing the config files should be apache2-common, not apache, read what dpkg said |
| 12:43.39 | kingpin2 | how ddo I add multi media to my resource lis? |
| 12:43.40 | kingpin2 | *list |
| 12:43.48 | x4d | valdyn: thanks |
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| 12:43.59 | valdyn | kingpin2: talk to dpkg |
| 12:44.04 | bsulzer | i'm sorry but i think i forgot something |
| 12:44.09 | kingpin2 | is tha a bot? |
| 12:44.18 | bsulzer | kingpin2: yes |
| 12:44.18 | valdyn | !what are you |
| 12:44.18 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
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| 12:44.56 | enouf | kingpin2: /msg dpkg msgthebot |
| 12:45.10 | kingpin2 | hes being mean |
| 12:45.15 | kingpin2 | the bot wont tell me |
| 12:45.24 | greenmang0 | LOL |
| 12:45.27 | valdyn | kingpin2: use the bot properly |
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| 12:45.32 | valdyn | kingpin2: its not hard |
| 12:45.34 | kingpin2 | I asked it for the command |
| 12:45.38 | kingpin2 | and it is talking about windows |
| 12:45.54 | kingpin2 | he says I dont know |
| 12:45.55 | valdyn | kingpin2: its a bot, not a human |
| 12:46.02 | valdyn | geez |
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| 12:46.42 | themill | dpkg: tell kingpin2 about dmm lenny |
| 12:46.51 | kingpin2 | YES |
| 12:46.53 | kingpin2 | he gave it now |
| 12:47.19 | bsulzer | i added the export EDITOR=geany to /root/.bashrc |
| 12:47.31 | valdyn | bsulzer: thats not useful |
| 12:47.43 | bsulzer | valdyn: why not? |
| 12:48.04 | valdyn | bsulzer: because .bashrc is not necessarily used when you run a command as root |
| 12:48.13 | greenmang0 | valdyn: what will happen if bsulzer is not running X? |
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| 12:48.25 | kripz | is it possible to stagger the start up of my 3 hdd's? |
| 12:48.30 | valdyn | bsulzer: and because setting an environment variable just like that limits its scope to the script |
| 12:49.02 | bsulzer | valdyn: ok, how can i set geany as default editor system wide? |
| 12:49.16 | valdyn | bsulzer: with update-altenatives |
| 12:49.27 | bsulzer | valdyn: i know it has something to do with update-alternatives, but i have no entry for geany |
| 12:49.42 | valdyn | bsulzer: create one |
| 12:49.47 | bsulzer | valdyn: how? |
| 12:49.53 | valdyn | bsulzer: read the docs |
| 12:50.22 | bsulzer | valdyn: i did read the man pages, but i didn't find anything. |
| 12:50.25 | valan | or just symlink it manually in /etc/alternatives |
| 12:50.34 | themill | can't see this ending well |
| 12:50.36 | kingpin2 | but even though I did that |
| 12:50.40 | kingpin2 | libogg and liberbous |
| 12:50.42 | kingpin2 | owont work |
| 12:50.47 | valdyn | bsulzer: the purpose of editor is providing a console editor, obviously geany cant be there |
| 12:50.55 | valdyn | bsulzer: unless you add it yourself |
| 12:51.02 | kingpin2 | libogg and libvorbis |
| 12:51.12 | valdyn | !tell kingpin2 -about search |
| 12:51.14 | themill | kingpin2: why are you trying to install those packages? |
| 12:51.16 | valan | there's a gnome-text-editor in /etc/alternatives you might try bsulzer |
| 12:51.22 | valdyn | kingpin2: read what dpkg told you twice about search |
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| 12:51.52 | kingpin2 | o because immaking a video site |
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| 12:51.53 | bsulzer | valdyn: the only thing in nano is, i can't copy paste. that's the whole reason i'd like to use geany |
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| 12:52.07 | valdyn | bsulzer: why cant you copy and paste? |
| 12:52.08 | kingpin2 | how do I do the search |
| 12:52.14 | valan | why can't you copy paste in nano? |
| 12:52.14 | valdyn | bsulzer: I can, everyone can |
| 12:52.22 | kingpin2 | all the guy says is !tell kingpin2 -about search |
| 12:52.39 | valdyn | kingpin2: thats what *I* said, but you need to read what dpkg told you |
| 12:52.52 | kingpin2 | um |
| 12:53.00 | greenmang0 | bsulzer: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/editor |
| 12:53.00 | kingpin2 | i added his stuff to the resource list |
| 12:53.02 | bsulzer | valdyn: cuz i have this funny cursor |
| 12:53.03 | kingpin2 | thats all he told me |
| 12:53.15 | valdyn | kingpin2: you have a reading disorder? |
| 12:53.18 | valdyn | !search |
| 12:53.18 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 12:53.22 | valdyn | kingpin2: ^^^^ |
| 12:53.38 | themill | kingpin2: you still haven't said why you think you need those two packages. |
| 12:53.44 | valan | bsulzer you might have mouse support on in nanorc |
| 12:53.50 | valan | should turn that nonsense off |
| 12:54.11 | greenmang0 | ciao!!! |
| 12:54.19 | kingpin2 | yes I did |
| 12:54.21 | kingpin2 | its for a video site |
| 12:54.34 | kingpin2 | and the program requires it ~~ |
| 12:54.52 | valdyn | kingpin2: what you really want to tell us is that you are trying to compile a program? |
| 12:55.08 | kingpin2 | i guess |
| 12:55.12 | kingpin2 | im trying to install phpmotion |
| 12:55.15 | kingpin2 | but its agervating |
| 12:55.18 | bsulzer | valan: i just had an idea: what if the problem lies on the teminal emulator i use (xterm)? |
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| 12:55.26 | kingpin2 | because i cant get the stuff to download. |
| 12:55.44 | valan | probably wouldn't bsulzer but it's possible |
| 12:55.53 | valan | why can't you copy paste though? i'm not understanding |
| 12:55.58 | valdyn | kingpin2: ok, vorbis wont help you download |
| 12:56.02 | valan | you can't highlight and middle click? |
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| 12:56.12 | bsulzer | valan: exactly |
| 12:56.20 | valdyn | kingpin2: you certainly dont need a package called "libvorbis" |
| 12:56.21 | valan | that sounds awfully funny |
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| 12:56.28 | valan | your xterm is probably drunk |
| 12:56.32 | kingpin21 | but it says its required |
| 12:56.43 | valdyn | kingpin2: IT sais WHAT exactly? |
| 12:56.53 | kingpin21 | http://phpmotion.com/content/view/16/32/ |
| 12:57.02 | bsulzer | valan: hihglighting is no problem, but the middle click doesn't do anything |
| 12:57.11 | kingpin21 | - PHP 4.3 and above (including support of CLI) |
| 12:57.11 | kingpin21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.11 | kingpin21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.11 | kingpin21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.11 | kingpin21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.11 | kingpin21 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.13 | valan | try shift+middle click |
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| 12:57.28 | bsulzer | valan: sorry, no result |
| 12:57.28 | themill | dpkg: tell kingpin21 about paste |
| 12:57.34 | valan | hmm |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | i don't think this is going to go very well |
| 12:57.51 | valan | try shift+highlight then try shift+middle click |
| 12:57.58 | valan | to make sure something in the buffer |
| 12:58.00 | valdyn | i dont see php oggvorbis bindings in debian |
| 12:58.14 | kingpin21 | apt-get search PACKAGE name does nto work.. |
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| 12:58.26 | valan | valan i think it's a pear package iirc |
| 12:58.28 | valdyn | kingpin2: ok, you really have a reading disorder |
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| 12:58.36 | valdyn | kingpin2: dpkg said "apt-cache search" |
| 12:58.40 | kingpin21 | o |
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| 12:59.10 | bsulzer | valan: no result either |
| 12:59.16 | valan | eh |
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| 12:59.22 | valan | perhaps try a different terminal then |
| 12:59.22 | kingpin21 | i found some.. |
| 12:59.24 | themill | BTW pastebin.com should now handle /etc/apt/sources.list without tripping the spam filters. Yay for free software \o/ |
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| 12:59.37 | kingpin21 | libvorbis-dev |
| 12:59.46 | Zambezi | In Squeeze, I've experinced several rtorrent-crashes. And no load went over 2.00 so I checked in top and rtorrent used 99% CPU. I don't like to report bugs, but I might have to report it as problems since it crashed a couple of times since yesterday. |
| 12:59.55 | valdyn | !win kingpin2 |
| 12:59.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, kingpin2! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:59.59 | bsulzer | valan: or the settings of xterm... ;) |
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| 13:00.21 | valan | could be that too |
| 13:00.58 | valan | do you have anything about xterm in a file like ~/.Xresources or ~/.Xdefaults or something like that? |
| 13:01.02 | kingpin21 | hmm... |
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| 13:01.08 | kingpin21 | does ubuntu have it? |
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| 13:01.19 | valdyn | kingpin2: have what? |
| 13:01.45 | abrotman | kingpin21: ask them, not us |
| 13:01.56 | abrotman | kingpin21: which version of linux are you trying to install this on? |
| 13:03.36 | valdyn | kingpin2: you already fouhnd what you were looking for, but now you ask if ubuntu has it |
| 13:03.37 | kingpin21 | debian |
| 13:03.37 | valan | i'm so lost as to what kingpin21 is trying to do here |
| 13:03.37 | abrotman | kingpin21: so why do you care about ubuntu? |
| 13:03.37 | kingpin21 | im trying to make the site work |
| 13:03.38 | valan | what site is this? |
| 13:03.38 | valdyn | valan: hes trying to run phpmotion, but he has issues interpreting its depends and general reading issues |
| 13:03.38 | kingpin21 | I prefer debian over all OS mainly the fact its the only one opposed to ubuntu and red hat I can use. |
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| 13:03.38 | abrotman | you're not answering the question |
| 13:03.38 | kingpin21 | i dont know |
| 13:03.38 | valan | ahh |
| 13:03.38 | kingpin21 | because |
| 13:03.39 | kingpin21 | if it works, ill use it.. |
| 13:03.39 | valan | sounds like fin |
| 13:03.39 | abrotman | kingpin21: lay off the enter key |
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| 13:03.48 | enouf | enemas can also 'work' :-P |
| 13:03.53 | enouf | runs |
| 13:03.59 | kingpin21 | u guys said something about libvorbis not being on debian or something |
| 13:04.13 | valdyn | kingpin21: you need to READ what we say |
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| 13:04.28 | valdyn | kingpin21: I tend to write complete sentences. I never said debian had no libvorbis |
| 13:04.46 | themill | kingpin21: you've still not actually told us why you think there should be a package exactly called "libvorbis" and what you think you're going to do with it |
| 13:04.47 | bsulzer | valan: i got it: the mousewheel has to be pressed and rolled |
| 13:04.57 | valan | heh that's weird |
| 13:05.25 | bsulzer | valan: perhaps a fluxbox thing... |
| 13:05.29 | valdyn | kingpin21: you already found libvorbis-dev, thats probably exactly or more than you need |
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| 13:06.34 | valdyn | but more likely you dont need to install libvorbis-dev at all because what you need gets pulled automagically when installing php5-ffmpeg or mplayer |
| 13:06.41 | enouf | bsulzer: nano copy/paste issue using xterm? doesn't highlight then shift+insert do it? |
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| 13:07.11 | enouf | bsulzer: or ^K, then ^U many times :-p |
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| 13:07.42 | kingpin21 | I did tel you, you can't read. |
| 13:08.03 | Zambezi | Anyone know if 4096x1152 is possible in Squeeze using Randr with radeon or radeonhd? I worked i Lenny with fglrx, but fglrx don't work in Squeeze (it says wrong kernelmodule). |
| 13:08.04 | kingpin21 | I don't know why I need it, I just know its a requirement for the program to work :-/ |
| 13:08.06 | enouf | bsulzer: for more fun try pressing CTRL plus each mouse button and wheel, one at a time ;-) |
| 13:08.13 | kingpin21 | If it was up to me the site would do without all of that. |
| 13:08.13 | bsulzer | enouf: shift+middleclick does nothing. but i thing my mouse is screwed up |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | kingpin21: what does "uname -a" return ? |
| 13:08.26 | _saw | hello, Is it possible to instal debian netinstall from usb ? |
| 13:08.45 | kingpin21 | Linux clubpenguinmedia 2.6.24-23-xen #1 SMP Mon Jan 26 03:09:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:08.49 | valan | kingpin21 it looks to me like you should add the dmm repo, then using apt ensure all the deps are installed, and you should be good to go |
| 13:09.03 | enouf | Zambezi: you'd have to rebuild the module against the newer kernel, IINM, but no, i don't know if that res is supported - try #radeon perhaps |
| 13:09.06 | kingpin21 | dmm repo? |
| 13:09.09 | abrotman | kingpin21: and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" ? |
| 13:09.13 | valan | debian multimedia |
| 13:09.14 | kingpin21 | is that multi media |
| 13:09.17 | kingpin21 | yea I did (: |
| 13:09.27 | enouf | bsulzer: i never said shift+middleclick |
| 13:09.36 | bsulzer | enouf: cool thing ctrl+mouse |
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| 13:09.43 | kingpin21 | clubpenguinmedia:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:09.43 | kingpin21 | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 13:10.16 | valan | kingpin21 you added the dmm repo, you aptitude updated, you installed all the deps for phpmotion? |
| 13:10.24 | bsulzer | enouf: sorry bout shift+middleclick. shift+ins is working fine |
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| 13:11.47 | kingpin21 | i updated and upgraded |
| 13:11.57 | valan | did you install the deps? |
| 13:12.03 | Akuw | i need a decrypt software to .chs files |
| 13:12.04 | kingpin21 | whats that |
| 13:12.09 | valan | dependencies |
| 13:12.16 | kingpin21 | I don't think soo.. |
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| 13:12.24 | valan | http://phpmotion.com/content/view/16/32/ |
| 13:12.27 | valan | the stuff listed there |
| 13:12.32 | kingpin21 | no |
| 13:12.47 | valan | do it |
| 13:12.50 | kingpin21 | should I do apt-get install fmpeg lame libogg mencoder flvtool2 libvorbis |
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| 13:13.18 | valan | first you should aptitude search for each thing |
| 13:13.27 | valan | to make sure you get the right package |
| 13:13.47 | kingpin21 | ffmpeg I think I need that one. |
| 13:14.10 | kingpin21 | actually i need ffmpeg-php |
| 13:14.13 | enouf | apt-get -s might help |
| 13:14.29 | kingpin21 | the closest thing I see is php5-ffmpeg |
| 13:14.44 | Akuw | i need a decrypt software to .chs files |
| 13:15.00 | Akuw | that files were crypted using Pocket |
| 13:15.12 | Akuw | but under windoz |
| 13:15.33 | valan | Akuw what encryption method is it? |
| 13:16.02 | Akuw | i don know, i only have the file with .chs extension |
| 13:16.37 | valan | i don't know how one would decrypt it without first knowing how it's encrypted |
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| 13:18.03 | voxio | kingpin21: http://linux.justinhartman.com/FFmpeg,_FFmpeg-PHP,_Lame,_Libogg,_Libvorbis,_FLVtool2,_Mplayer,_Mencoder,_AMR_Installation |
| 13:18.12 | voxio | you are better off building the packages from source |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | oh great .. make it more confusing |
| 13:18.58 | voxio | you will need to install php5-dev for phpize |
| 13:19.00 | valan | eh? why build from source when there's packages available? |
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| 13:19.30 | enouf | depends which flags have been set in each |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | voxio: why would you do that? he can barely handle packages |
| 13:19.44 | voxio | enouf: exacally |
| 13:20.08 | kingpin21 | how does this look |
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| 13:20.12 | kingpin21 | apt-get install ffmpeg php5-ffmpeg lame libogg-dev mencoder flvtool2 mplayer libvorbis-dev |
| 13:20.12 | themill | voxio: you might want to pre-chew some of that page for him. |
| 13:20.17 | valan | do you know that he specifically needs flags other than what the packages provide? |
| 13:20.34 | kingpin21 | i dont like that |
| 13:20.36 | kingpin21 | its to complicated |
| 13:20.39 | valan | kingpin21 you shouldn't need the -dev packages |
| 13:20.44 | kingpin21 | well |
| 13:20.48 | kingpin21 | its the only ones available |
| 13:20.51 | themill | !enter |
| 13:20.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:20.51 | kingpin21 | for libogg |
| 13:21.07 | kingpin21 | I'm used to IM chat sorry.. |
| 13:21.08 | valan | libogg0 and libvorbis0a |
| 13:21.08 | enouf | i don't think anyone even knows why he needs those pkgs, let alone which config options he needs :-P |
| 13:21.16 | kingpin21 | I shuld get that? Ok. |
| 13:21.31 | valan | enouf it's for phpmotion he's trying to get running |
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| 13:21.44 | enouf | nfc |
| 13:22.02 | kingpin21 | apt-get install ffmpeg php5-ffmpeg lame libogg0 mencoder flvtool2 mplayer libvorbis0a, will work? |
| 13:22.09 | valan | try it |
| 13:22.32 | Dassu | php-fmpeg wut |
| 13:22.48 | voxio | its the php ffmpeg module |
| 13:22.49 | kingpin21 | php-ffmpeg |
| 13:23.10 | kingpin21 | php-ffmpeg = No exist. |
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| 13:23.44 | voxio | php5-ffmpeg |
| 13:24.02 | fender0107401 | hi all |
| 13:24.17 | fender0107401 | I have been configed my ntpd |
| 13:24.40 | fender0107401 | But I found a very strange problem. |
| 13:25.11 | kingpin21 | it all installed I think. |
| 13:25.22 | kingpin21 | yay |
| 13:25.26 | voxio | fender0107401: fender0107401 whats the problem? |
| 13:25.33 | voxio | kingpin21: do the videos you upload display? ;) |
| 13:25.34 | fender0107401 | When I run ntpq -p, the system prompt me "No association ID's returned" |
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| 13:25.42 | valan | i find debian to be boring |
| 13:25.49 | valan | it works too well, i have little to fix |
| 13:26.14 | bsulzer | valan: i'll come back to you if i screw my system... ;) |
| 13:26.29 | valan | heh |
| 13:26.40 | voxio | fender0107401: version of ntp? |
| 13:27.21 | fender0107401 | but if run "/etc/init.d/ntp restart" and run ntpq -p againntpq will give me response. |
| 13:27.30 | kingpin21 | Voxio haven't tested yet.. I'll let you know within the hour. |
| 13:27.40 | kingpin21 | i havent got apache php or mysql up yet. |
| 13:27.52 | kingpin21 | i rebuilt the OS and started from scratch again. |
| 13:28.25 | voxio | kingpin21: thats the test :0 |
| 13:29.12 | fender0107401 | system is debian stable |
| 13:29.37 | kingpin21 | I've been through 50 Os's int he past week to make this work.... and having no knowledge with fedora, gentoo, or centos, I did bad. |
| 13:29.48 | kingpin21 | so I have my fingers crossed... |
| 13:30.10 | voxio | fender0107401: fender0107401 ntpq -v ? |
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| 13:30.39 | fender0107401 | ntpq - standard NTP query program - Ver. 4.2.4p4 |
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| 13:31.35 | fender0107401 | I use the same /etc/ntp.conf with freebsd, and work fine. |
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| 13:35.00 | ewet | hell, yeah! Debian is a boring system - and I love it! |
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| 13:35.33 | SimonLarsen | I removed the metapackages "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" as i was cleaning out some packages, and now it wants to autoremove a lot of packages I want. But if I want to reinstall "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" it'll download a whole bunch of packages I don't want either. What to do? |
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| 13:36.41 | voxio | fender0107401: try dpkg-reconfigure ntp |
| 13:36.42 | abrotman | SimonLarsen: try gnome-core ? |
| 13:36.48 | voxio | and retry |
| 13:37.00 | fender0107401 | yes I will try |
| 13:37.04 | SimonLarsen | abrotman: gnome-core is already installed |
| 13:37.27 | Floops[w] | what is best way to clean up space on box |
| 13:37.36 | Floops[w] | running low on disk space |
| 13:37.43 | petemc | delete stuff |
| 13:37.50 | fender0107401 | reboot and test. |
| 13:38.06 | Floops[w] | yea... i know delete stuff |
| 13:38.11 | petemc | where stuff == files you dont need or have stored elsewhere |
| 13:38.12 | stew | Floops[w]: have you run "aptitude autoclean" or "aptitude clean" recently? |
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| 13:38.22 | abrotman | SimonLarsen: okay, so why are you trying to install the other two ? |
| 13:38.26 | Floops[w] | i just trying to find out what will remove alot of bloke |
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| 13:38.37 | Floops[w] | stew, i haven't |
| 13:38.38 | voxio | Floops[w]: |
| 13:38.41 | voxio | check your log files |
| 13:38.42 | voxio | du -h --max-depth 1 /var/log |
| 13:39.02 | stew | Floops[w]: doing either would probably remove lots of stuff from /var |
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| 13:39.13 | SirDude0Lot | Good day |
| 13:39.27 | SirDude0Lot | Got a slightly weird question, no one is online on the Wings3d irc, and i really can not find out how to copy and paste in Wings XD |
| 13:39.50 | enouf | SimonLarsen: the other thing is to tell it not to install Recommends |
| 13:40.09 | abrotman | SirDude0Lot: isn't that a windows thing ? |
| 13:40.26 | SirDude0Lot | windows? hell no, wings3d is a linux 3d tool :) |
| 13:40.30 | SirDude0Lot | phyton if i am correct |
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| 13:40.51 | SimonLarsen | abrotman: Without the metapackages, it thinks a whole bunch of important packages is unnessecary which kinda renders the autoremove-function useless. |
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| 13:40.57 | voxio | fender0107401: any luck? |
| 13:41.11 | fender0107401 | no |
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| 13:41.17 | fender0107401 | #_# |
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| 13:41.52 | enouf | who told you to remove the metapackage? and /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 13:41.58 | Floops[w] | voxio, only about 8mb of stuff in log |
| 13:42.07 | Floops[w] | from that command |
| 13:42.12 | SimonLarsen | "Consider recommended packages dependencies" oh, well that's just stupid. Removed. |
| 13:42.18 | oxdot | hy guys, is the catalyst (ati) package still brocken or was this fixed ? (had to work arround like this for 9.2 : http://phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64725&postcount=2) |
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| 13:42.55 | SimonLarsen | enouf: Synaptic. As I was removing some packages I felt unnecessary |
| 13:42.55 | abrotman | SimonLarsen: in aptitude you can unmarkauto |
| 13:43.04 | fender0107401 | it is strange, "dpkg-reconfigure ntp" or "/etc/inin.d/ntp restart" can make "ntpq -p" work. |
| 13:43.39 | voxio | Floops[w]: du -h --max-depth /home |
| 13:43.44 | voxio | Floops[w]: du -h --max-depth /usr |
| 13:43.45 | voxio | etc |
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| 13:43.50 | voxio | oops |
| 13:43.54 | voxio | du -h --max-depth 1 /home |
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| 13:44.05 | x4d | How can I completely remove LAMP, because I tried to remove apache and while doing it I accepted a alternative install of some different packages (I think it was a downgrade) and now I reinstalled php and apache and php does not work, apache got fixed however... |
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| 13:44.26 | voxio | apt-get --purge remove php* apache* |
| 13:44.28 | themill | SimonLarsen: changing that option is going to solve your problem. Also /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 13:45.10 | SirDude0Lot | no wings3d users avalible? |
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| 13:45.24 | x4d | voxio: I see many suggesting apt-get lately, I've always used aptitude? is apt-get the recommended way ? |
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| 13:45.35 | abrotman | x4d: no, you should be using aptitude |
| 13:45.46 | voxio | i just use apt-get because thats what i'm used to |
| 13:45.58 | stew | x4d: aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
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| 13:46.07 | x4d | ok thanks |
| 13:46.10 | voxio | but that command will fully remove apache and php |
| 13:46.11 | tingle | stew: why? |
| 13:46.18 | voxio | and purge the config files |
| 13:46.18 | SerajewelKS | ok i know this is a noob question i should know the answer to, but what is the kernel argument to make it drop to a root shell with / still mounted ro? "single" drops me to a shell when / is mounted rw and i am unable to remount it ro. |
| 13:46.23 | abrotman | tingle: much better problem resolution for starters |
| 13:46.23 | SimonLarsen | themill: Apparently not. It still wants to autoremove the packages and reinstalling gnome/gnome-desktop-environment gives me tons unwanted packages like libmono, ekiga, tomboy ect. |
| 13:46.29 | stew | tingle: better/smarter dependency resolution |
| 13:46.29 | SerajewelKS | google is not forthcoming on the answer |
| 13:46.53 | themill | SimonLarsen: right. /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 13:46.57 | tingle | abrotman: stew: ok ty |
| 13:48.21 | asg | SerajewelKS: boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 13:48.48 | SerajewelKS | asg: thanks |
| 13:50.29 | SimonLarsen | Thank you abrotman, enouf and themill. I think I've fixed it now. :) |
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| 13:52.18 | n-iCe | Hello all! |
| 13:52.30 | SerajewelKS | asg: heh, do you know why ^C wouldn't work in such a shell? :) |
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| 13:53.12 | asg | SerajewelKS: it should. Did you perhaps hit ^S accidentally and freeze the terminal? |
| 13:53.17 | n-iCe | The last Debian esting cd is asking me to select my hard disk driver, how can I know that o.O? |
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| 13:53.21 | SerajewelKS | asg: nope |
| 13:53.33 | asg | hmmm |
| 13:53.52 | SerajewelKS | well let's say i did, isn't it ^Q that restores it? |
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| 13:54.45 | SerajewelKS | yeah ^Q^C gets me nothing |
| 13:54.53 | SerajewelKS | not a big deal, just wondering if it was supposed to be this way |
| 13:54.59 | stew | SerajewelKS: what are you hoping ^C will do? |
| 13:55.15 | SerajewelKS | kill the process i started from the shell |
| 13:55.42 | stew | SerajewelKS: then perhaps this process isn't trapping it. what process is it? (its not the shell) |
| 13:55.48 | SerajewelKS | fsck -c |
| 13:56.00 | SerajewelKS | which i was able to ^C in the shell that fsck dumped me to yesterday |
| 13:56.33 | n-iCe | nobody :< |
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| 13:57.40 | stew | n-iCe: you can know by grepping vendorID.*deviceID in /lib/modules/$version/modules.pcimap |
| 13:57.51 | stew | n-iCe: you can get vendorID.*deviceID from lspci -n |
| 13:57.55 | themill | of asking judd! |
| 13:58.01 | n-iCe | I don't even have Debian installed. |
| 13:58.14 | stew | n-iCe: doesn't matter |
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| 13:58.15 | nsadmin | then... what do you have installed? |
| 13:58.33 | n-iCe | steve how do I use that commands in windows? |
| 13:58.42 | stew | n-iCe: you don't, you do them in linux |
| 13:58.47 | n-iCe | ... |
| 13:58.54 | n-iCe | I don't have linux installed, because of that problem! |
| 13:58.55 | n-iCe | :) |
| 13:58.58 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: a better question is, why are you installing an unstable version of debian if you have no linux experience? |
| 13:59.02 | stew | n-iCe: you have linux on a CD |
| 13:59.07 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: go get the stable ISO |
| 13:59.11 | emdete | hi! is there a tool that scanns the filesystem for files in standard places which are not installed by debian? |
| 13:59.17 | stew | n-iCe: yeah, you should be using a stable installer it sounds like |
| 13:59.27 | n-iCe | boring |
| 13:59.28 | SerajewelKS | emdete: i believe you want "aptitude install cruft" |
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| 13:59.52 | emdete | ah, yes, that rings a bell.. thnx |
| 13:59.53 | stew | n-iCe: ok, then tell us what the vendorID/deviceID is |
| 14:00.02 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: if you have to pick between "boring" and "doesn't work" and you pick the latter, may i kindly point you to a mental institution? |
| 14:00.03 | stew | n-iCe: and we can use the bot to tell you which driver you should be using |
| 14:00.11 | nsadmin | n-iCe: and unstable isn't well supported... if you choose it, you could be on your own |
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| 14:00.41 | emdete | SerajewelKS: am i oldschool when i still use apt-get? ;) |
| 14:00.45 | stew | n-iCe: however, it is likely that this installer won't work for you even after we figure out which driver you should be using |
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| 14:01.11 | SerajewelKS | emdete: eh, i use aptitude because for a while, aptitude tracked automatically-installed packages and apt-get did not. i believe apt-get does now, but i still like aptitude better. |
| 14:01.20 | nsadmin | ever had linux before? |
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| 14:02.02 | emdete | SerajewelKS: aptitude did too much magic when i tried it last time... |
| 14:02.19 | SerajewelKS | emdete: honestly i just like it for the curses GUI |
| 14:02.36 | SerajewelKS | emdete: it takes some getting used to but it's quite a bit nicer than fiddling with the command line |
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| 14:03.29 | RichardH | Hello, can anyone help me with installing debian for the first time? |
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| 14:03.53 | stew | RichardH: just ask your question |
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| 14:04.17 | nsadmin | I think that is his question |
| 14:04.22 | nsadmin | the answer is yes |
| 14:04.28 | RichardH | At the install it says "No network card detected" and offers me a list of options if i know there is one its an MSI atom so it has two but i dont know what to select? |
| 14:04.36 | emdete | SerajewelKS: i hated dselect bacause of its ncurses ui.. :) |
| 14:05.25 | stew | RichardH: hit alt-f2 to get to a text console, then run "lspci | more" in that console, and see if you can find your network card in that list, if so, tell us which |
| 14:05.38 | stew | RichardH: (alt-f1 will get back to the installer after hitting alt-f2) |
| 14:05.41 | nsadmin | RichardH: what media do you have? |
| 14:05.43 | SerajewelKS | emdete: aptitude is miles better than dselect |
| 14:05.51 | RichardH | I have the net install one |
| 14:05.54 | stew | RichardH: if its ethernet, "lspci | grep Ether" should find it |
| 14:05.59 | nsadmin | ok |
| 14:06.52 | RichardH | stew, Its found two there the same "Intel corperation 82574L gigabit network connecti(the screen runs out here) |
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| 14:07.41 | emdete | SerajewelKS: maybe i should give it a try... |
| 14:07.45 | voxio | RichardH: modprobe -r e1000e.ko |
| 14:08.26 | RichardH | "FATAL: Module e1000e.ko not found." |
| 14:08.34 | themill | "lspci -nn" ftw |
| 14:08.53 | emdete | drop the .ko in the command |
| 14:08.57 | voxio | oh yea |
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| 14:09.02 | voxio | can you choose e1000e from the list? |
| 14:09.16 | voxio | thats the correct driver for that card |
| 14:09.20 | stew | and he needs to load a module, not remove a module |
| 14:09.21 | RichardH | without .ko i get command line back no output is made |
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| 14:09.43 | emdete | RichardH: lsmod|grep e1000e... |
| 14:09.45 | voxio | yea stew i blindly copied and pasted it when i was looking for the driver |
| 14:09.46 | nsadmin | soit was successful? |
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| 14:09.50 | voxio | stupid me |
| 14:09.54 | themill | judd pciid 8086:10d3 |
| 14:09.55 | judd | themill: [8086:10d3] is '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10d3 |
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| 14:10.10 | themill | I *think* that's the right PCI-Id for that card, and that's not supported by the lenny installer. |
| 14:10.14 | stew | right |
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| 14:10.32 | RichardH | So i need the full cd? |
| 14:10.37 | stew | RichardH: you are probably going to want to try a kmuto installer which has a newer kernel supporting that ethernet card |
| 14:10.43 | rhineheart_m | hello.. what's causing the problem if I'm going to ping yahoo.com but it would reply unknown host name? |
| 14:10.49 | stew | RichardH: no you need an unofficial cd (the full cd would have the same kernel): /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:10.55 | nsadmin | maybe kmuto made a netinst that works |
| 14:11.03 | maligor | was that the infamous driver-of-death? I think it was on some intel gigabit :P |
| 14:11.08 | SerajewelKS | emdete: running aptitude with no args and hitting ? will give you a quick summary |
| 14:11.23 | SerajewelKS | emdete: ^T will get you to the menus. that's about all you need to know to start using it. |
| 14:11.45 | RichardH | stew, do you have a link to a kumto iso please? |
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| 14:12.11 | stew | dpkg: tell RichardH about kmuto |
| 14:12.15 | themill | emdete: you can use aptitude in a mouse-mode if your terminal is set up correctly, or you can just use it in command-line-only mode as a drop-in replacement for apt-get. |
| 14:12.21 | voxio | or get the etchnhalf iso |
| 14:12.28 | voxio | RichardH: |
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| 14:12.39 | RichardH | Oh i did the command you said and it disent say anything i just realised it pmed me lol |
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| 14:12.45 | stew | voxio: does the etchnhalf iso have a newer kernel than the lenny iso? |
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| 14:13.01 | voxio | no but it includes that driver |
| 14:13.13 | stew | voxio: so does the lenny iso |
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| 14:13.30 | rhineheart_m | what's causing the problem if I'm going to ping yahoo.com but it would reply unknown host name but if I'm going to use IP address I can ping it? |
| 14:13.34 | stew | voxio: they both include a version of that driver which doesn't support his card |
| 14:13.34 | themill | voxio: not all e1000e modules are the same. Including the module and supporting that exact card are two different things |
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| 14:14.03 | voxio | oh |
| 14:14.06 | voxio | ok |
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| 14:14.18 | stew | voxio: (if it didn't include that driver, the "modprobe -r e1000e" command you gave him would have given him an error instead of silently succeeding) |
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| 14:14.49 | voxio | i actually didn't notice the -r |
| 14:14.55 | voxio | when i copied the command |
| 14:15.01 | voxio | but i was still wrong |
| 14:15.07 | voxio | sorry :) |
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| 14:15.18 | nsadmin | so that driver was in lsmod? |
| 14:15.23 | stew | yes |
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| 14:15.39 | themill | hmm... why, if the pci-id didn't match? |
| 14:15.40 | stew | nsadmin: err, maybe not |
| 14:16.06 | stew | nsadmin: it was not necessarily loaded, but if it didn't exist, it would have been an error |
| 14:16.11 | nsadmin | so he should try the modprobe again I guess... but according to judd it wouldn't be there |
| 14:16.29 | themill | nsadmin: the module exists; the module just doesn't support that revision of the card |
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| 14:16.35 | nsadmin | exist meaning available to insert? |
| 14:16.58 | emdete | pfew, cruft is quite agressive... it names the generated / precompiled python files... |
| 14:16.59 | RichardH | stew, sorry to be a pain can you make dpkg message me again please :) |
| 14:17.00 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 14:17.23 | adb | !kmuto |
| 14:17.23 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:17.34 | adb | RichardH: ^^ |
| 14:17.52 | RichardH | thankyou (to all) |
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| 14:19.42 | nsadmin | looks like 2.6.28 is the latest kmuto has |
| 14:20.12 | fender0107401 | Where should place a script, if I want run it when the system is booting and after ntp start? |
| 14:20.44 | nsadmin | fender0107401 what does the script do |
| 14:21.02 | fender0107401 | I want run "etc/inin.d/ntp restart", seems a very bad idea. |
| 14:21.52 | voxio | fender0107401: there has to be a better resolution |
| 14:22.06 | nsadmin | why? |
| 14:22.20 | fender0107401 | Yes, I know. |
| 14:22.33 | module000 | !tell module000 about versions |
| 14:22.43 | nsadmin | what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 14:23.00 | nsadmin | module000: or, /msg dpkg versions |
| 14:23.19 | module000 | nsadmin: thanks, never msg'd the bot before |
| 14:23.44 | fender0107401 | I will send a e-mail to the ntp's maintainer. |
| 14:24.07 | nsadmin | fender0107401: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 14:24.25 | nsadmin | what is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 14:24.30 | ewet | okay, so i have some time to at least collect some information about what happened to my encyrpted external usb drive. tune2fs -l /dev/mapper/sdb1_crypt gave me http://sprunge.us/PjTR . i don't see anything special here. |
| 14:24.55 | fender0107401 | I want run ntpq -p to show the ntp status. |
| 14:25.10 | nsadmin | during boot? |
| 14:25.36 | fender0107401 | but ntpq -p dons't work |
| 14:26.09 | fender0107401 | and I found /etc/inin.d/ntp restart can make ntpq -p work. |
| 14:26.12 | nsadmin | then you could edit /etc/init.d/ntp to do that after it starts (there will be a case statement, look for "start") |
| 14:26.32 | nsadmin | oh I see now |
| 14:26.50 | fender0107401 | Seems, it is a bug. |
| 14:26.54 | voxio | fender0107401: it could be that when ntp initially starts there is no network connection |
| 14:26.55 | nsadmin | so you're saying ntp maybe hasn't started properly |
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| 14:27.04 | voxio | adsl modem? |
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| 14:27.19 | fender0107401 | dhcp |
| 14:27.33 | nsadmin | but what kind of connection? |
| 14:27.46 | fender0107401 | I don't know more. |
| 14:28.01 | voxio | fender0107401: ethernet? |
| 14:28.09 | fender0107401 | yes |
| 14:28.24 | nsadmin | fender0107401: ok, this problem is on a box you control? |
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| 14:29.00 | fender0107401 | One "static ip" in my University, and someone share it with me. |
| 14:29.18 | fender0107401 | yes my desktop. |
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| 14:29.38 | nsadmin | share it how? |
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| 14:29.55 | nsadmin | btw I tried to run that command, it worked for me (under etch) |
| 14:30.02 | voxio | fender0107401: can you 'cat /var/log/syslog | grep ntp' |
| 14:30.07 | voxio | and put it on pastebin please |
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| 14:30.16 | fender0107401 | share this ip address, so we use dhcp. |
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| 14:30.44 | voxio | i'm thinking that ntp starts before the network interface is brought up |
| 14:30.46 | nsadmin | you mean you're sharing the ethernet |
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| 14:30.55 | fender0107401 | yes |
| 14:31.26 | fender0107401 | I found this:ntpd[2546]: failed to initialize interface for address fe80::21f:d0ff:fed8:8c07 |
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| 14:31.49 | nsadmin | so your ip is something like 192.168.*? |
| 14:32.04 | maveas | Somebody.. how do a make an image of my broken harddrive? |
| 14:32.12 | maveas | It got some bad blocks etc. |
| 14:32.16 | maveas | SA cannot be read.. :/ |
| 14:32.18 | LorandKA | hello! just a quick question. are there any backports for the latest pidgin (2.5.7)? |
| 14:32.20 | fender0107401 | 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:32.31 | fender0107401 | 192.168.0.1 is the dhcp server. |
| 14:32.33 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a masqing router |
| 14:32.47 | voxio | fender0107401: |
| 14:32.48 | voxio | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=626631 |
| 14:32.51 | voxio | there you go |
| 14:32.58 | fender0107401 | haha |
| 14:33.14 | voxio | ntp is starting before the network is avaliable |
| 14:33.34 | stew | fender0107401: you can stick a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ which would get run after you have networking |
| 14:33.53 | fender0107401 | good good |
| 14:33.56 | fender0107401 | ^_^ |
| 14:34.47 | nsadmin | so really the issue is ntp didn't work at all before you restarted it |
| 14:34.50 | stew | fender0107401: (make sure the script is +x and the filename is run-parts compliant (doesn't contian any periods (.) for example)) |
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| 14:35.19 | fender0107401 | thank |
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| 14:36.35 | RichardH | Wahoo!! this one picks up cards :D |
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| 14:36.59 | adb | !win kmuto |
| 14:36.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, kmuto! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:37.18 | nsadmin | RichardH: you got the kmuto lenny 2.6.28 one? |
| 14:37.23 | RichardH | Yes :) |
| 14:37.27 | hikenboot | hello anyone know what the perfered partition table should be on a large pair of SATA drives for use with raid and lvm? |
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| 14:37.51 | abrotman | you're going to use .. lvm |
| 14:37.59 | crazyfrog | i have installed 2.6.30 kernel,now i want to install virtualbox .should i install the header of 2.6.30 first? |
| 14:38.05 | hikenboot | yes so that means keep them blank abortman? |
| 14:38.09 | Frantic | guys, I have a lenny fresh instalation, except it's in french, any easy way to change the locales to english? :) |
| 14:38.21 | hikenboot | I had some trouble with detection of the partitions after creation and want to avoid the problem |
| 14:38.40 | hikenboot | going to use dmraid and lvm |
| 14:38.41 | hikenboot | together |
| 14:38.47 | hikenboot | except for /boot partition |
| 14:38.58 | crazyfrog | i have installed 2.6.30 kernel,now i want to install virtualbox .should i install the header of 2.6.30 first? |
| 14:39.01 | kingpin21 | ok |
| 14:39.09 | kingpin21 | BAD NEWS: The site isn't working right... :( |
| 14:39.26 | wintix | !tell Frantic about locales |
| 14:39.45 | nsadmin | what?!?! there's a site on the internet that isn't working right?! |
| 14:40.00 | kingpin21 | o theirs new people here |
| 14:40.04 | petemc | somebody phone somebody |
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| 14:40.25 | RichardH | redirect the broken site to a working one with like iptabes or something :) |
| 14:40.49 | voxio | kingpin21: whats the problem |
| 14:41.01 | voxio | videos aren't displaying? |
| 14:41.15 | kingpin21 | Ok |
| 14:41.18 | kingpin21 | when I upload videos |
| 14:41.32 | nsadmin | to? |
| 14:41.42 | hikenboot | abrotman, ? |
| 14:41.49 | kingpin21 | When I upload them, i select the file, click upload and then it initializes the upload, but then, it asks u to download uu_upload.pl |
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| 14:42.09 | kingpin21 | i need to install perl dont I |
| 14:42.10 | RichardH | thinks someone broke the mime type :( |
| 14:42.11 | kingpin21 | or enable it |
| 14:42.45 | themill | kingpin21: does this thing want both perl and php enabled in apache? |
| 14:42.47 | nsadmin | the server is not set up to run cgi I guess |
| 14:42.51 | kingpin21 | I have perl how does it get enabled with cgi or something. |
| 14:43.02 | kingpin21 | Niope its not... how do I do that? I skipped that step :P |
| 14:43.19 | nsadmin | what web server are you using |
| 14:43.21 | kingpin21 | I need - CGI-BIN |
| 14:43.29 | kingpin21 | Apache |
| 14:43.39 | nsadmin | is the url in cgi-bin? |
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| 14:44.21 | kingpin21 | I am thinking I need to enable cgi/perl support |
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| 14:44.48 | nsadmin | if you look at the location bar when the upload is supposed to happen, does it say cgi-bin in there somewhere? |
| 14:45.08 | nsadmin | I would assume so |
| 14:45.12 | ewet | just to second-check it: nobody here finds anything strange for a ext3 filesystem in this here: http://sprunge.us/PjTR Right?! |
| 14:45.26 | kingpin21 | Let me check. |
| 14:46.07 | kingpin21 | its from |
| 14:46.13 | kingpin21 | http://clubpenguinmedia.com/cgi-bin/ |
| 14:46.47 | nsadmin | so it says in the location bar something like http://clubpenguinmedia.com/cgi-bin/something.pl? |
| 14:46.57 | kingpin21 | As reading I need cgi-bin/perl support enabled for it to work... well phpmotion requirements list CGI-BIN as required. |
| 14:47.03 | kingpin21 | yep (: |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | hikenboot: did you read the installation guide? |
| 14:47.34 | nsadmin | you seem to have found it |
| 14:48.03 | nsadmin | how exactly are you going to enable it? |
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| 14:48.16 | kingpin21 | I don't know how... never have messed with cgi stuff before. |
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| 14:48.41 | nsadmin | you could try dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 14:48.57 | nsadmin | that would be my first guess |
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| 14:49.10 | RichardH | Ok i got debian and it dosent have apt or yum lol so im stuck now :D |
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| 14:49.21 | voxio | aptitude ? |
| 14:49.38 | kingpin21 | richard apt-get |
| 14:49.41 | kingpin21 | or aptitude |
| 14:49.48 | kingpin21 | aptitude install package |
| 14:49.50 | RichardH | Thanks :D |
| 14:49.51 | kingpin21 | apt-get install package |
| 14:49.57 | kingpin21 | either of them work (: |
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| 14:50.20 | nsadmin | probably you want aptitude, it has that extra database and better dep resolution |
| 14:50.34 | nsadmin | apt-get is just a test of the apt libs that was very long-lived |
| 14:50.47 | bsulzer | hey ev'rybody. how do i set the left alt key as a meta key? it's for irssi in xterm |
| 14:50.59 | RichardH | can you change the resolution of console (runlevel 3) ? |
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| 14:51.53 | nsadmin | RichardH: you could try adding vga=ask to the kernel boot parameters passed to the kernel |
| 14:51.59 | stew | RichardH: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 14:52.00 | nsadmin | do you use grub or lilo |
| 14:52.07 | stew | RichardH: (and you are probably at runlevel 2, not runlevel 3) |
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| 14:52.30 | nsadmin | also runlevels are not relevent to resolution |
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| 14:53.42 | kingpin21 | hmm |
| 14:53.46 | kingpin21 | any solution on cgi-bin |
| 14:53.52 | kingpin21 | how to i install it or support it?? |
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| 14:54.28 | voxio | kingpin21: if i where you i'd learn a bit more about web apps |
| 14:54.58 | voxio | you don't sound like you've even configured the software correctly |
| 14:55.12 | stew | kingpin21: you are using apache2? |
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| 14:56.22 | kingpin21 | yes |
| 14:56.34 | stew | kingpin21: then it is already installed/supported. what exactly is the problem? |
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| 14:56.44 | kingpin21 | Its not enabled |
| 14:56.47 | kingpin21 | I dnt know |
| 14:56.49 | kingpin21 | i cant upload stuff |
| 14:56.51 | voxio | he doesn't know how to create a cgi-bin |
| 14:56.58 | stew | kingpin21: how do you know it is not enabled? |
| 14:57.07 | stew | kingpin21: how are you trying to upload stuff? |
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| 14:57.30 | stew | kingpin21: if it is not enabled, you must have gone out of your way to disable it |
| 14:57.46 | kingpin21 | i never diasabled it. |
| 14:57.57 | stew | kingpin21: then what makes you think it is not enabled? |
| 14:58.27 | kingpin21 | cuz thats what I am told |
| 14:58.32 | nsadmin | server offers download of the cgi script instead of running it |
| 14:58.37 | stew | kingpin21: who/what tells you that? |
| 14:58.38 | petemc | circular logic |
| 14:58.38 | kingpin21 | I need to add cgi support into my vhost probably |
| 14:58.44 | kingpin21 | cgi handlers |
| 14:59.00 | nsadmin | that's what he said |
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| 14:59.24 | stew | kingpin21: can you give us any useful information about your problem? |
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| 15:00.16 | ewet | stupid question - where do i find this line: CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850=y where is the config file (.config) maybe i just don't see the tree in the woods? |
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| 15:00.21 | kingpin21 | i did earlier but I guess I might as well repeat myself. |
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| 15:00.38 | petemc | ewet: that looks like a kernel config option |
| 15:00.43 | kingpin21 | My video upload site tries to install uu_upload.pl to your computer when you upload a movie. Its from domain.com/cgi-bin/ |
| 15:00.47 | petemc | ewet: so you would need kernel source to recompile |
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| 15:01.06 | nsadmin | kingpin21: by this time you ought to put the info in a file |
| 15:01.27 | kingpin21 | I think I have a solution |
| 15:01.31 | ewet | petemc: okay so it looks that might not be the problem. thanks :) |
| 15:01.42 | themill | judd kconfig NLS_CODEPAGE_850 |
| 15:01.43 | judd | themill: Searching for 'NLS_CODEPAGE_850' in lenny kernel config gives NLS_CODEPAGE_850=m. |
| 15:01.45 | themill | ewet: ^^ |
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| 15:02.14 | kingpin21 | i need to add some cgi stuff into my vhost. |
| 15:02.23 | stew | kingpin21: add a <Directory /path/to/domain.com/cgi-bin> stanza to the VirtualHost definition for that domain which has "Options +ExecCGI" |
| 15:02.24 | kingpin21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.32 | kingpin21 | yea sgtuff ike that. |
| 15:02.40 | voxio | you need to create the cgi-bin and add the relevant directory info in the vhost file |
| 15:02.40 | stew | kingpin21: no, you don't need to AddHandler, that is already done |
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| 15:02.45 | kingpin21 | ok |
| 15:02.54 | nsadmin | kingpin21 what operating system does your vhost run? |
| 15:03.01 | JJOliver | Hi my friend has just told me his netbook install broke. Not sure what OS it is, but is it feasible to replace whatever was there with Lenny? It obviously doesn't have a CD drive. |
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| 15:04.01 | kingpin21 | debian |
| 15:04.06 | kingpin21 | this is #debian (: |
| 15:04.09 | nsadmin | which one? |
| 15:04.13 | kingpin21 | lenyn |
| 15:04.14 | stew | kingpin21: are you looking at the VirtualHost definition? |
| 15:04.16 | abrotman | JJOliver: broke how? |
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| 15:04.17 | kingpin21 | *debian lenny. |
| 15:04.20 | JJOliver | Further to that, if it helps i have a local lenny mirror on the network |
| 15:04.26 | E-bola | How do you add kernel parameters to grub2 in debian? |
| 15:04.35 | JJOliver | abrotman: dunno, just won't load anything. |
| 15:04.36 | nsadmin | ok, so this is a pretty recent vhost |
| 15:04.53 | E-bola | nevermind |
| 15:05.05 | JJOliver | abrotman: it may be a hardware fault but if not I'm gonna have to give him an OS because his is broken some'how |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | JJOliver: so meaning his current OS isn't bootable at all ? |
| 15:05.32 | JJOliver | abrotman: no |
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| 15:05.44 | abrotman | JJOliver: if it can boot off USB, you can try that |
| 15:06.09 | RichardH | Ok fess'up who forgot to program "service" into debian :( |
| 15:06.19 | stew | RichardH: what? |
| 15:06.27 | RichardH | "service ntpd restart" |
| 15:06.34 | RichardH | dosent work anymore? |
| 15:06.35 | stew | RichardH: /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 15:06.42 | stew | RichardH: there was never such a command in debian |
| 15:06.46 | JJOliver | so I'll have to make a bootable netinstal usb stick? |
| 15:06.46 | JJOliver | - |
| 15:06.47 | RichardH | shakes head ... so much more complicated |
| 15:06.52 | nsadmin | invoke-rc.d |
| 15:07.10 | stew | RichardH: yeah, if you really want use invoke-rc.d, what is more complicated about this? |
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| 15:07.17 | voxio | stew: i have |
| 15:07.26 | stew | voxio: you have what? |
| 15:07.38 | voxio | # /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 15:07.38 | voxio | Stopping NTP server: ntpd. |
| 15:07.45 | JJOliver | RichardH: presumably if it's an open project you didn't write the "service ntpd restart" |
| 15:07.51 | nsadmin | RichardH: if anything it's simpler, you're simply running a command |
| 15:07.54 | jleedev | accidentally spammed debian-devel :( |
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| 15:08.01 | abrotman | gives stew a tylenol |
| 15:08.03 | JJOliver | (-: |
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| 15:08.12 | stew | voxio: now try "service ntp restart" and you'll see what I mean about debian never having a 'service' command |
| 15:08.20 | RichardH | I know i learnt fedora first so its all weired to me |
| 15:09.13 | justin | alias service=invoke-rc.d |
| 15:09.13 | JJOliver | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:09.13 | nsadmin | service is from the land of not-invented-here :P |
| 15:09.13 | voxio | i was just referring to the init script |
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| 15:09.22 | abrotman | voxio: stew told him it existed .. why are you arguing that it does exist? |
| 15:09.30 | RichardH | thanks justin!! |
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| 15:09.47 | stew | abrotman: but it does exist |
| 15:10.00 | petemc | what is existence? |
| 15:10.03 | abrotman | stew: I know it's there, you should check again |
| 15:10.15 | voxio | i misread his comment |
| 15:10.17 | stew | abrotman: i did, it really is there, its in /etc/init.d |
| 15:10.22 | jleedev | !existence |
| 15:10.22 | dpkg | it has been said that existence is not the maintenance of a State of Government but rather the |
| 15:10.24 | voxio | only read the second line |
| 15:10.47 | petemc | thats a useful factoid |
| 15:10.47 | abrotman | stew: clearly, you have not seen it there, it's there for sure! |
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| 15:11.01 | kingpin21 | great |
| 15:11.08 | kingpin21 | now cgi bin support added now a 500 internal error |
| 15:11.08 | kingpin21 | lovely |
| 15:11.10 | kingpin21 | http://www.clubpenguinmedia.com/cgi-bin/uu_upload.pl?tmp_sid=c5e2144222951f686155632597ce3c62 |
| 15:11.20 | stew | kingpin21: check the error log for the reason for that error |
| 15:11.20 | abrotman | stew: furthermore, i've used it on other debian systems! |
| 15:11.31 | JJOliver | abrotman: do I still want the i386 netinstall for the netbook? |
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| 15:11.51 | abrotman | JJOliver: not my netbook, can't say for sure, but it's a reasonable guess |
| 15:11.57 | stew | abrotman: no, really, I've definately used it on debian systems, iirc it was something like /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | stew: maybe you typed it in wrong, it's "/etc/init.d/ntp restart" |
| 15:12.16 | kingpin21 | Ok will do. |
| 15:12.17 | RichardH | does anyone know the name of the thing i need to apt-get install to get a ssh server on my little debian pc please? |
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| 15:12.33 | abrotman | RichardH: aptitude search ssh server |
| 15:12.47 | voxio | RichardH: openssh-server |
| 15:13.05 | RichardH | search = fail screensize is omg so small :) |
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| 15:13.10 | jleedev | abrotman: any idea why aptitude gives so many more hits than apt-cache? |
| 15:13.18 | abrotman | jleedev: searches differently |
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| 15:13.29 | justin | RichardH: not knowing how to scroll up or page output = FAIL |
| 15:13.42 | markwell | someone familiar with ethernet bonding, mode 802.3ad? |
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| 15:13.49 | RichardH | I can scroll up and down its left and right i dont know how to do :) |
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| 15:14.05 | themill | jleedev: aptitude only searches package names by default; apt-cache searches package descriptions too |
| 15:14.23 | jleedev | also, aptitude uses "or"; apt-cache uses "and" |
| 15:14.26 | kingpin21 | [Tue Jun 23 20:12:47 2009] [error] [client 24.125.169.179] (13)Permission denied: exec of '/home/kingpin2/public_html/cgi-bin/uu_upload.pl' failed |
| 15:14.26 | kingpin21 | [Tue Jun 23 20:12:47 2009] [error] [client 24.125.169.179] Premature end of script headers: uu_upload.pl |
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| 15:14.42 | stew | jleedev: aptitude uses both or and and depending on how you separate the search parameters |
| 15:15.10 | stew | kingpin21: right, so uu_upload.pl terminated before sending complete output |
| 15:15.38 | kingpin21 | yep |
| 15:15.47 | stew | oh |
| 15:15.48 | stew | no |
| 15:16.09 | stew | kingpin21: "Permission denied"; what does "ls -l /home/kingpin2/public_html/cgi-bin/uu_upload.pl" return? |
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| 15:17.04 | voxio | kingpin21: http://phpmotion.com/forum/index.php?topic=587.0 |
| 15:17.07 | kingpin21 | yea i got it working |
| 15:17.09 | kingpin21 | http://www.clubpenguinmedia.com/videos/1/hmm |
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| 15:17.13 | nsadmin | umm normally you can't put cgi-bins in a home dir |
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| 15:17.25 | stew | nsadmin: why not? |
| 15:17.27 | voxio | kingpin21: try installing php5-cli |
| 15:17.32 | voxio | restart apache |
| 15:17.35 | voxio | and try again |
| 15:17.37 | nsadmin | it's a security problem, |
| 15:17.39 | emdete | has someone some cruft expirience? it does not work as expected / documented in the readme. --ignore does not work neither the sample in the readme creating files in /etc/cruft/filters-unex ... |
| 15:17.53 | stew | nsadmin: what is the problem? |
| 15:18.07 | stew | voxio: why would he install php5-cli? |
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| 15:18.27 | nsadmin | the problem would be the script would run as the same user that runs the web server and therefore have its privs |
| 15:18.54 | stew | nsadmin: why is that a problem? and what does that have to do with the fact that it is a home dir? |
| 15:19.06 | kingpin21 | its installed already |
| 15:19.09 | kingpin21 | anyways gotta ogo |
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| 15:19.16 | RichardH | Im sure theres a wat to use cat to see the shm drivers shared memory ... *ponders* |
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| 15:20.00 | voxio | oh |
| 15:20.04 | voxio | nvm it was prob suexec |
| 15:20.54 | stew | i'll bet it wasn't |
| 15:20.54 | nsadmin | a plain user would have write privs there, and therefore be able to put scripts in there that would run as the web server... generally the web server would not be able to switch to the user the home dir belongs to (but there is cgiwrap) since it doesn't run as root |
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| 15:22.02 | nsadmin | or more to the point "switch to the user the script is owned by" |
| 15:22.09 | stew | so? |
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| 15:22.50 | voxio | stew: what would you bet it was then? |
| 15:22.56 | nsadmin | so it's a security problem |
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| 15:23.38 | arvind_khadri | hi, in lenny the version of pidgin is still 2.4.7, the upstream version is 2.5.7, cant it be backported?? |
| 15:23.41 | stew | nsadmin: so, by the same logic, normal users shouldn't be able to put php in their public_html directories? |
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| 15:23.54 | stew | voxio: the perl script not being chmod +x |
| 15:24.21 | voxio | wouldn't that return a different error? |
| 15:24.28 | nsadmin | if php is a general-purpose language, no |
| 15:25.01 | nsadmin | unless the script is run as the user who owns it |
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| 15:25.52 | stew | nsadmin: well, a lot of the world is using php, i'd guess that 95% of it is running as the web-server user, so you are in the minority in your thinking |
| 15:26.16 | stew | voxio: no, "Permission deinied" would be the error if you tried to run a cgi script that wasn't executable |
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| 15:26.24 | designs703 | I run a little VPS and the charts indicate hourly CPU spikes (only from ~5% to ~30%). How can I view system cron jobs? My user crontab is empty |
| 15:26.29 | voxio | but he didn't get that error? |
| 15:26.41 | petemc | designs703: they're logged in syslog |
| 15:26.43 | voxio | you get both permission denied and premature end of script headers |
| 15:26.47 | nsadmin | so the security problem I cite is in 99% of sites... and by that logic, mysql should be the best ever... |
| 15:26.48 | stew | voxio: and something tells me that he hadn't setup suexec and then figured out the problem with suexec misconfiguration and fixed it himself that quickly |
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| 15:27.07 | voxio | so why when i said it was an suexec issue you said it wasn't |
| 15:27.35 | stew | voxio: becuase I don't think he enabled suexec. and I don't think he would have figured it out that quickly if he had |
| 15:27.45 | arvind_khadri | stew hi, in lenny the version of pidgin is still 2.4.7, the upstream version is 2.5.7, cant it be backported?? |
| 15:27.45 | stew | voxio: and yes, he got permession denied error |
| 15:27.59 | stew | arvind_khadri: i don't know, I've not tried to backport it. have you? |
| 15:28.05 | nsadmin | just because something is popular doesnt' make it X (where X in this case is secure, but could be anything) |
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| 15:28.06 | petemc | voxio: did you restart ntpd yet? |
| 15:28.08 | stew | judd: build-dep pidgin --release sid |
| 15:28.09 | judd | stew: pidgin -- BuildDepends: cdbs (>= 0.4.37), debhelper (>= 5.0.0), intltool, libgtk2.0-dev, libxss-dev, libmeanwhile-dev, libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.6+20060215-1), libnss3-dev (>= 3.11.7-1), tcl8.4-dev, tk8.4-dev, libgstreamer0.10-dev, libgtkspell-dev, libltdl3-dev, libperl-dev, libstartup-notification0-dev, libzephyr-dev, libxml2-dev, libebook1.2-dev, libedata-book1.2-dev, libcamel1.2-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, (1 more message) |
| 15:28.10 | voxio | fuck i didnt read it again |
| 15:28.15 | voxio | stew: sorry |
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| 15:28.33 | voxio | trying to do two things at the same time |
| 15:28.43 | designs703 | petemc, OK, it looks like an old package is still running cron jobs |
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| 15:28.57 | arvind_khadri | stew, i will try now.... but i dont know much of packaging.... |
| 15:29.38 | nsadmin | at least it's fairly well documented :) |
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| 15:31.10 | heath|work | Can I get some opinions on which vm server to run? |
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| 15:31.33 | heath|work | I need about 5 or 6 machines and am looking into VMware and Xen |
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| 15:31.47 | arvind_khadri | stew, and also why shouldnt we talk to the pidgin people to open up a port for us... they build it for almost everyone, why not for us... |
| 15:32.09 | petemc | heath|work: xen works well if you just need paravirt |
| 15:32.37 | heath|work | I have looked through the docs, but am lost on how to install an OS with a different kernel |
| 15:33.04 | stew | arvind_khadri: i don't understand what you are asking |
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| 15:33.08 | petemc | heath|work: do you need a machine to run 5 or 6 instances of debian? |
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| 15:33.27 | heath|work | debian / ubuntu |
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| 15:33.35 | stew | arvind_khadri: you are asking why we don't ask the pidgin people to backport it for you? |
| 15:33.44 | arvind_khadri | stew, yes |
| 15:33.46 | stew | arvind_khadri: they might just not have the time nor interest |
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| 15:33.58 | arvind_khadri | stew, not just me, but for the whole of debian... |
| 15:34.00 | heath|work | so xen is ment to run several instances of the same os |
| 15:34.07 | stew | arvind_khadri: why don't you do it for the whole of debian? |
| 15:34.18 | petemc | heath|work: then xen would work well, and theres a domU config file available that will kick off the debian installer |
| 15:34.23 | petemc | heath|work: check the debian xen wiki |
| 15:34.24 | arvind_khadri | stew, s |
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| 15:34.40 | stew | s? |
| 15:34.46 | themill | pidgin version 2.5.5 is in lenny-backports, btw |
| 15:34.50 | heath|work | ahh cool... thanks petemc |
| 15:35.14 | petemc | heath|work: no, it can run different operating systems, but if you want to do things like emulate windows or operating systems that cant be modified to run paravirtualised then you need certain hardware |
| 15:37.45 | heath|work | Thanks petemc, I will read through the wiki. I could possibly just use debian, I am just more familiar with Ubuntu. |
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| 15:40.57 | yareckon | hi guys, I have a samsung monitor that aparently doesn't report information on itself properly during hardware detection. It's not properly seen as attached in my xorg logs |
| 15:41.09 | yareckon | for the radeonhd driver, this is fatal |
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| 15:41.36 | yareckon | how can I capture enough info about the monitor under another driver to pass this data to the radeonhd driver (through xorg.conf?) |
| 15:42.03 | yareckon | I think what I'm trying to get at is how to generate a modeline |
| 15:42.04 | heath|work | I have looked into Xen from Citrix, but the debian support seems a little poor |
| 15:42.04 | yareckon | ? |
| 15:42.49 | petemc | heath|work: its packaged and works, when bugs are found people try and fix them |
| 15:42.57 | nsadmin | there's not much needed, just the kernel and hypervisor and to arrange to boot that |
| 15:43.03 | petemc | heath|work: what makes you say its poor? |
| 15:43.24 | RichardH | crontab in debian seems hard to use also :( |
| 15:43.35 | RichardH | is crontab -e the best way to add things? |
| 15:43.57 | AJKhan | good morning |
| 15:43.59 | nsadmin | RichardH: it's the way to add things |
| 15:44.12 | RichardH | 1 * * * * * /command ? |
| 15:44.18 | emdete | RichardH: what's so special on debian crontab? ;) |
| 15:44.31 | nsadmin | it's not just debian |
| 15:44.39 | RichardH | emdete fedora opens it VI style (VI is also different in fedora) :) |
| 15:44.42 | AJKhan | RichardH, crontab is easy |
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| 15:44.58 | nsadmin | works that way on most unix-alikes |
| 15:45.01 | petemc | RichardH: it used your default editor |
| 15:45.14 | nsadmin | which you can change |
| 15:45.29 | RichardH | The # at the start is like job number? |
| 15:45.31 | heath|work | petemc, no 64bit support from what I saw |
| 15:45.38 | petemc | heath|work: incorrect |
| 15:45.43 | AJKhan | RichardH, for example, its a comment |
| 15:45.49 | AJKhan | # is a comment :) |
| 15:45.57 | heath|work | I am speaking of the Citrix Xen not the open source xen |
| 15:45.57 | RichardH | Oh duh of cause /me slaps self |
| 15:45.58 | nsadmin | don't put the # |
| 15:46.07 | AJKhan | RichardH, 0 0 * * * /home/ajavid/bin/database-backup.sh <- guess when this runs |
| 15:46.13 | AJKhan | RichardH, practice, its really really easy |
| 15:46.32 | nsadmin | heath|work: probably that xen is not in debian at all |
| 15:46.39 | AJKhan | 0 0 *** zero hundred hours nightly |
| 15:46.39 | petemc | heath|work: well, you can ask them that, here you can talk about the free version of xen that debian packages |
| 15:47.00 | AJKhan | RichardH, but if you think # is not a comment, you got a long way to go buddy ;) |
| 15:47.02 | AJKhan | hehe |
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| 15:47.30 | RichardH | AJKhan im tired i assumed it was job number i been putting 1 .. 2 ... 3 ... etc at the start of the lines lol |
| 15:47.36 | AJKhan | i figured |
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| 15:48.07 | nsadmin | RichardH: man 5 crontab, that's the reference for how the file should look |
| 15:48.15 | AJKhan | or google |
| 15:48.56 | Frantic | guys, is there a easy way to make lenny save the iptables configuration over reboots somewhere? |
| 15:48.58 | AJKhan | btw, has anyone tried firefox35 on lenny? |
| 15:48.59 | nsadmin | RichardH: so how's your install working out so far |
| 15:49.14 | RichardH | Ok VI is still weired i used to press i and ide get =INSERT= appear bottom left and i could type and move about with the arrows and delete with delete and backspace keys now i lets me edit but dosent tell me im in edit mode and the arrows write A B C D when i press them :( |
| 15:49.39 | petemc | install vim |
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| 15:49.51 | RichardH | nsadmin its a learning curve :D |
| 15:49.52 | nsadmin | RichardH: probably what you have is literally vi |
| 15:50.00 | AJKhan | iptables save |
| 15:50.01 | AJKhan | ? |
| 15:50.14 | AJKhan | Frantic, what are you wanting exactly? |
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| 15:50.30 | Frantic | AJKhan: I want lenny to automatically load a set of iptables rules over reboots |
| 15:50.32 | nsadmin | AJKhan: have your iptables commands in a script |
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| 15:50.43 | AJKhan | Frantic, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
| 15:50.45 | RichardH | huggs petermc thanks so much |
| 15:50.49 | nsadmin | Frantic: have your iptables commands in a script |
| 15:50.51 | djahandarie | Anyone noticed anything weird with the debian mirrors? |
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| 15:51.00 | AJKhan | Getting IPTables to survive a reboot |
| 15:51.02 | petemc | Frantic: you could use a post up line in /etc/network/interfaces to run them after the interface comes up |
| 15:51.03 | AJKhan | look at this link |
| 15:51.04 | djahandarie | They returned a wrong signature just a second ago, then switched over to a good signature |
| 15:51.22 | AJKhan | just read the damn link on dadmin |
| 15:51.32 | simonrvn | AJKhan: iptables-save |
| 15:51.39 | gaintsura | any status on when the latest php will be in .deb? |
| 15:51.39 | nsadmin | djahandarie: mostly the spelling of their site name and that the buildings the servers are in tend to smell like rasberries... other than that, nothing too weird |
| 15:51.43 | Frantic | AJKhan: thanks, that will do it |
| 15:51.43 | Frantic | but |
| 15:51.45 | AJKhan | simonrvn, my main man :) |
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| 15:51.54 | Frantic | lenny has an iptables-apply command which gives: |
| 15:51.57 | simonrvn | see /usr/share/iptables for an init script |
| 15:51.58 | Frantic | E: cannot read /etc/network/iptables |
| 15:52.05 | Frantic | is iptables-apply already called on boot? |
| 15:52.26 | AJKhan | it's written in the README.debian afaik |
| 15:52.29 | AJKhan | it should be |
| 15:52.31 | Dunge | Hey guys... sorry for noob question but... What does Autogen.sh usually do? Does it compile the thing? Should I run configure/make/make install afterwards or simply autogen/install-sh?? What is install-sh? |
| 15:52.33 | nsadmin | what are you doing with iptables? |
| 15:52.33 | djahandarie | nsadmin, any idea why they'd return a bad signature? |
| 15:52.43 | simonrvn | er, /usr/share/doc/iptables |
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| 15:52.46 | djahandarie | nsadmin, it worries me, given the past history. |
| 15:53.00 | nsadmin | they're all doing that? |
| 15:53.30 | Frantic | ooh iptables-apply really rocks |
| 15:53.32 | Frantic | :) |
| 15:53.39 | djahandarie | nsadmin, no, none of them are anymore... it was only for a brief moment |
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| 15:54.23 | simonrvn | Dunge: don't touch install-sh. autogen.sh calls autoconf and other auto* things to generate Makefiles and other files needed by the project. after it runs, it usually calls configure itself. you can always run it (./configure) yourself to change the options. |
| 15:54.27 | stew | Dunge: does the software you are talking about come with a README or INSTALL telling you what to do? "Autogen.sh" isn't anything standard, so there is no universal "usually do" for that script |
| 15:54.30 | nsadmin | Frantic: what does your script do? |
| 15:54.49 | Dunge | ok |
| 15:54.58 | simonrvn | Autogen.sh isn't standard, no, autogen.sh is. |
| 15:55.15 | Frantic | nsadmin: apparently it does iptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables and asks you if you can still connect, if you don't answer in time it reverts |
| 15:55.16 | stew | autogen.sh is standard? |
| 15:55.17 | Dunge | there is no 'A' |
| 15:55.18 | Frantic | really cool |
| 15:55.23 | simonrvn | (or is now, didn't used to be so) |
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| 15:55.32 | Dunge | my mistake |
| 15:55.35 | nsadmin | Frantic: what do your iptables rules do? |
| 15:55.46 | Dunge | so I guess autogen/configure/make/make install |
| 15:55.52 | Frantic | nsadmin: filter traffic :) |
| 15:55.56 | AJKhan | lol |
| 15:56.02 | Frantic | lol |
| 15:56.22 | AJKhan | heh, well yeah, ask a dumb question |
| 15:56.22 | oxdot | yareckon: dont know if this could still useable (used it some time ago and was for xfree ...) http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, but if the monitor ITSELF does not report correctly , changing the driver should make many difference :/ |
| 15:56.22 | Dunge | And what if I get some "no rules to make target" after all that? |
| 15:56.25 | AJKhan | pokes nsadmin |
| 15:56.26 | nsadmin | hence the name netFILTER :P |
| 15:57.08 | AJKhan | man, I never thought I'd be able to get 7.4 xorg in lenny, I'm so proud of myself |
| 15:57.10 | stew | Dunge: does this software not come with build instructions? |
| 15:57.12 | nsadmin | anyway, if you're trying to do ip masquerade, look into ipmasq |
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| 15:57.31 | AJKhan | Dunge, what software is this anyway? can you tell the name? |
| 15:57.35 | Dunge | stew : this software needed a lot of patch and makefile fix... |
| 15:57.37 | Dunge | TSLIB |
| 15:57.39 | simonrvn | stew: yeh, i see it everywhere now, and often it's a generic script. well ok, maybe not standard, but commonplace. |
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| 15:58.10 | Dunge | https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/tslib-general/2007-February/thread.html#0 (see patch 3/3, that's what's causing problem) |
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| 15:59.31 | stew | Dunge: this is the libtx-0.0.0 package? |
| 15:59.34 | marcooliva | hi |
| 15:59.54 | Section58 | how would i tell apt to use a different interface (without changing my default route) |
| 16:00.06 | Dunge | nah |
| 16:00.09 | yareckon | thanks oxdot, trying gft or something to make a modeline at the moment |
| 16:00.15 | AJKhan | Section58, huh? |
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| 16:00.26 | stew | Dunge: sorry, i meant libts-0.0.0 |
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| 16:00.43 | marcooliva | I read the page -> http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#TheArtisticLicense but i cannot understand if Debian considers Artistic License free for Main archive. :-s |
| 16:00.46 | AJKhan | Section58, please explain? you mean a different GUI interface to apt-get/aptitude? (what means without changing defaultl) |
| 16:00.47 | Dunge | I'm building from source tslib-1.0.tar.bz2 |
| 16:00.52 | Section58 | i am trying to update my system with apt-get. but the interface it uses it slow internet... i have a faster one attached on the box, i just need to tell it to pick |
| 16:01.02 | AJKhan | oh interface |
| 16:01.11 | stew | Dunge: right, why are you building it from source instead of using the version debian provides? |
| 16:01.20 | AJKhan | I'm not sure how to link a certai intercae to a certain program... |
| 16:01.42 | nsadmin | Section58: apt will just use the routing, because it is just networking in the same sense as ssh, http, ftp, email, ntp, etc etc are |
| 16:01.43 | AJKhan | Section58, if I were you I'd just enable the faster internet and not the slower :) |
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| 16:01.50 | Dunge | stew : debian arm packages are 5years old |
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| 16:02.04 | Section58 | i would guess it would have options somewhere to bind out |
| 16:02.09 | Section58 | ok, fair enough |
| 16:02.12 | AJKhan | but I had on idea you could do that |
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| 16:02.18 | AJKhan | what is this routing you speak of? |
| 16:02.29 | Section58 | i connection mark and traffic shape... but i never quite worked out how to do it from the router.. only shit going thu it |
| 16:02.35 | AJKhan | I have two diff internet connetions too |
| 16:02.36 | stew | Dunge: the last upload was in march, not 5 years ago |
| 16:02.37 | Section58 | but thats cool, i will just change my default route :P |
| 16:02.52 | AJKhan | I have a cable wireless, and a open neighbour wifi and I can conect to both simultaneously |
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| 16:03.16 | AJKhan | as I have two wifi nic |
| 16:03.17 | stew | Dunge: do you really mean arm? or do you mean armel? |
| 16:03.20 | Section58 | thats quite similar to my network, but i have tunnels that connect to a datacenter end point |
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| 16:03.34 | AJKhan | wonder how I can make say my browser use only one interface, whlie system uses the other interface |
| 16:03.36 | nsadmin | Section58: to change how ssh, http, ftp, email, ntp (and everything else) is routed, you WILL have to change your routing |
| 16:03.50 | Dunge | yeah it's probably armel |
| 16:04.01 | AJKhan | anyone give me a clue as to what this routing thing is? (I'm guessing its not NAT stuff on router) |
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| 16:04.04 | Section58 | yeah its cool, i just changed default route and its fine :) i will just change it back when its done :P |
| 16:04.13 | AJKhan | (sorry, I'm a newb to networking). Please advise |
| 16:04.23 | Dunge | stew : anyway there's some patch to do on libts for it to work on my device... and the latest source is not patched so I doubt the package will be |
| 16:04.27 | stew | Dunge: so what is wrong with debian's libts-0.0-0 package? |
| 16:04.38 | AJKhan | 10:56 < Dunge> I'm building from source tslib-1.0.tar.bz2 |
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| 16:04.47 | AJKhan | 000 vs 1.0 |
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| 16:04.58 | nsadmin | AJKhan: google for Rusty's Unreliable Guides |
| 16:05.05 | AJKhan | nsadmin, ok, will do, thank you |
| 16:05.09 | stew | AJKhan: no, 1.0.7 vs 1.0 |
| 16:05.15 | yareckon | oxdot, I'm workign off of this guide http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 16:05.16 | AJKhan | stew, ahh |
| 16:05.24 | stew | AJKhan: 0.0 is the soname |
| 16:05.26 | Dunge | stew : the pressure sensor need to be hardcoded to 255 for my device to work |
| 16:05.35 | yareckon | and still not able to force the video card to accept that there is a monitor attached and fire up |
| 16:05.36 | AJKhan | oh .so nameI got you stew, thanks |
| 16:05.47 | Dunge | stew : and then the plugins need to be linked against libts or they can't activate with directfb |
| 16:05.54 | marcooliva | I read the page -> http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#TheArtisticLicense but i cannot understand if Debian considers Artistic License free for Main archive. help please :) |
| 16:05.59 | Dunge | stew : and that's what causing problem |
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| 16:06.33 | Dunge | "Some plugins use tslib functions. Link those plugins against libts. Without |
| 16:06.33 | Dunge | this change DirectFB in unable to use tslib because symbols in the tslib |
| 16:06.34 | Dunge | plugins can't be resolved. |
| 16:06.34 | Dunge | " |
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| 16:06.39 | AJKhan | marcooliva, I'd imagine if it is listed on the DFSG site, it complies |
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| 16:06.52 | nsadmin | marcooliva: if debian considers a license dfsg-free, it can be in main or contrib |
| 16:07.16 | simonrvn | it goes in main, contrib if it has non-free deps |
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| 16:07.32 | yareckon | http://pastebin.com/m7402c96c |
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| 16:07.51 | nsadmin | I thought it was contrib if something in non-free depends on it |
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| 16:08.15 | AJKhan | eitherway |
| 16:08.17 | yareckon | but the xorg.0.log still bails trying to start x eve though it now should know what is connected to the VGA port |
| 16:08.22 | simonrvn | oh maybe i have it backwards... |
| 16:08.32 | nsadmin | no, yours makes more sense |
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| 16:08.48 | yareckon | have commented out the lines that I have added to give that info |
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| 16:08.52 | Dunge | stew : anyway.. I recompiled the whole linux libs because your apt-get packages were too old (gettext, automake, autoconf, libtool, glib, glibmm, pango, pangomm, cairo, cairomm, gtk+, etc) |
| 16:08.53 | AJKhan | yareckon, have you tried without anything |
| 16:09.00 | AJKhan | !+tell yareckon -about drxx |
| 16:09.01 | dpkg | told yareckon about drxx. |
| 16:09.07 | nsadmin | by my logic, everything would be in contrib, potentially |
| 16:09.09 | AJKhan | yareckon, try a blank/clean file |
| 16:09.10 | avleen | hey folks, i'm trying to compile a .deb from source using dpkg-buildpackage, and i need to change the name of the init.d script it installs. the package is pgbouncer, and it always installs the script as /etc/init.d/pgbouncer.. does anyone know how I can make it install with a different name? |
| 16:09.19 | AJKhan | yareckon, also, pastebin the log file |
| 16:09.28 | yareckon | yes I have, I get the radeon driver with no accel |
| 16:09.36 | AJKhan | yareckon, stable? |
| 16:09.39 | yareckon | sid |
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| 16:09.41 | stew | nsadmin: something goes into contrib if it depends on something not in main (it could depend on something in contrib or non-free, or it could depend on somehting not provided by debian at all) |
| 16:09.48 | AJKhan | yareckon, don't use radeonhd |
| 16:09.49 | stew | nsadmin: it doesn't matter what depends on it |
| 16:09.50 | yareckon | so I'm trying to go over to radeon hd |
| 16:09.54 | AJKhan | yareckon, which card? |
| 16:10.07 | AJKhan | yareckon, use 'radeon' instead |
| 16:10.12 | yareckon | Mobility Radeon HD 3450 |
| 16:10.22 | AJKhan | you'll not get 3d regardless |
| 16:10.31 | AJKhan | you are pretty much SOL buddy |
| 16:10.33 | nsadmin | avleen: why do you need to change the name? |
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| 16:10.42 | yareckon | I am able to use radeon, but it's quite poorly performing at the moment, no 3d |
| 16:10.50 | simonrvn | stew: thank you for the reminder |
| 16:10.52 | yareckon | radeonhd is listed as supporting my card |
| 16:10.55 | AJKhan | you won't get 3d on that card with free drivers |
| 16:11.02 | AJKhan | yareckon, supported yes, but not supported 3d |
| 16:11.08 | yareckon | I want to go over to it regardless if I get 3d |
| 16:11.11 | AJKhan | yet... afaik. I keep up with radeon development |
| 16:11.24 | AJKhan | yareckon, #radeon as well |
| 16:11.26 | yareckon | and I'll just upgrade using that driver until 3d is supported |
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| 16:11.29 | stew | Dunge: the debian packages seem to already have these patches |
| 16:11.34 | AJKhan | yareckon, if you insist on radeonhd, #radeonhd |
| 16:11.39 | AJKhan | yareckon, thats fine |
| 16:11.48 | nsadmin | AJKhan: but there are plans to support that card in radeonhd? |
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| 16:12.08 | AJKhan | yareckon, in currently sid, radeon driver works fine on 2d accel, experimental 3d from xorg.upstream git for radeonhd |
| 16:12.13 | AJKhan | its very broken |
| 16:12.17 | AJKhan | nsadmin, yes |
| 16:12.17 | yareckon | nsadmin, the card is supported officially, just not 3d |
| 16:12.23 | avleen | nsadmin: we have multiple versions of the pgbouncer config file on our boxes for (urgh) legacy reasons.. from before there was a pgbouncer deb |
| 16:12.28 | ness | hi, quick question: how was that program called that allows one to start a new X session in an ordinary window? |
| 16:12.41 | nsadmin | xnest |
| 16:12.47 | Dunge | stew : latest gtk+ from the packages is 2.8..... latest source is 2.16.... 2.8 didn't have directfb backend...... don't tell me to use your packages |
| 16:12.52 | nsadmin | or is it Xnest |
| 16:14.37 | AJKhan | Xnest |
| 16:14.37 | AJKhan | capital X |
| 16:14.37 | avleen | nsadmin: i'm slowly migrating stuff over, but I'm having the /etc/defaults/pgbouncer in the dpkg to use a different config file name so we can roll this out to a lot of boxes easily, but we need to change the startup script name too |
| 16:14.37 | Dunge | I compiled 2.16 myself and it works fine.. while the packages didn't |
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| 16:14.40 | nsadmin | avleen: you might want to change the package name |
| 16:14.40 | avleen | nsadmin: my guess is the init.d script is named after the package? |
| 16:14.40 | yareckon | AJKhan, so I should go over to #radeonhd because their code decides when to bail after not getting an EDID response? |
| 16:14.41 | avleen | nsadmin: awesome, can do.. where do i do that? :) I was looking but couldn't figure it out |
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| 16:14.41 | Dunge | and for libts it's kinda imposible that it have the pressure patch applied... cause the only place you can find it is in a yahoo group dedicated to my board |
| 16:14.41 | AJKhan | if you don't get an edid response, double check your cable |
| 16:14.41 | avu | Dunge, you're wrong about the 'latest gtk+ from packges' being 2.8 |
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| 16:14.42 | stew | judd: info libgtk2.0-0 --release squeeze |
| 16:14.42 | judd | stew: libgtk2.0-0 (libs): is optional; Version: 2.16.1-2; Size: 2066.7k; Installed: 5376k -- The GTK+ graphical user interface library |
| 16:14.43 | nsadmin | well you'd have to look around the debian dir, especially debian/control |
| 16:14.43 | AJKhan | yareckon, if it is DVI/HDMI, currently due to a known but it WILL not recieve any edid info from th monitor |
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| 16:14.49 | avu | and in stable it's 2.12 |
| 16:14.57 | AJKhan | yareckon, workaround, you have to manually configure xorg.conf with a modeline etc and other sections |
| 16:15.05 | yareckon | That's what I've done |
| 16:15.11 | avleen | nsadmin: ty :) |
| 16:15.23 | stew | Dunge: have you read the INSTALL file that comes with libts? |
| 16:15.31 | AJKhan | yareckon, wait for a fix or consult with #radeon (I wouldn't use radeonhd) |
| 16:15.33 | Dunge | on my device I write "apt-get upgrade libgtk-2.0" and it tell me latest version at 2.8 |
| 16:15.36 | yareckon | but, I may be an idiot, or it may be ignoring xorg.conf for some reason |
| 16:15.40 | yareckon | thanks! |
| 16:15.42 | nsadmin | but the init script is probably not named after the package |
| 16:15.47 | AJKhan | I've been told by upstream developers that they are thiking about merging the two together |
| 16:15.50 | Dunge | stew : yes I did read the INSTALL file... it's the same copy/paste as any application |
| 16:15.50 | AJKhan | on eday... |
| 16:15.58 | yareckon | that would be nice |
| 16:16.00 | AJKhan | yareckon, check the log |
| 16:16.00 | nsadmin | eday.com? |
| 16:16.22 | stew | Dunge: note that "apt-get upgrade pacakgename" isn't a valid command |
| 16:16.27 | stew | Dunge: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:16.47 | Dunge | not quite sure |
| 16:16.48 | stew | judd: versions libgtk-2.0 |
| 16:16.49 | judd | stew: libgtk-2.0 -- |
| 16:16.55 | AJKhan | yareckon, try both drivers one by one, you still won't get 3d on anything past r580 chipset |
| 16:17.00 | stew | Dunge: did you mean a different package name? |
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| 16:17.20 | Dunge | what? |
| 16:17.28 | AJKhan | yareckon, ime, radeon driver usually works better due to its firmware (radeonhd uses atom or wonder or some such) its not very reliable/good afaik, then again i could be wrong |
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| 16:17.33 | yareckon | http://pastebin.com/m278898a |
| 16:17.43 | stew | Dunge: i'm trying to figure out what package is version 2.8. you said "libgtk-2.0" but there is no such package, at least in debian |
| 16:18.09 | nsadmin | AJKhan: since you follow development... any idea what chipset(s) they're working on next? |
| 16:18.11 | AJKhan | (II) RADEONHD: version 1.2.5, built from non-git sources |
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| 16:18.37 | AJKhan | you DEFINITELY will not have 3d, if you want experimental 3d, (unstable) build from upstrean sources like I said |
| 16:18.47 | AJKhan | nsadmin, 6x, 7x, 8x |
| 16:18.50 | AJKhan | working on 3d |
| 16:19.04 | Dunge | stew : well I meant libgtk2.0-0 .... wow I forgot a -0 big deal |
| 16:19.26 | yareckon | log says that it basically is using my Monitor section properly, but then it asks for EDID anyway, and then says it can't find a connected monitor and gives up |
| 16:19.26 | Dunge | anyway gtk is working fine built from source |
| 16:19.32 | yareckon | anyway |
| 16:19.36 | nsadmin | could you give an example of an existing 6x chipset name? |
| 16:19.38 | Dunge | stew : problem is libts plugins |
| 16:19.39 | simonrvn | it is a big deal in a way, that package (without the -0) doesn't exist... |
| 16:19.47 | avu | judd, versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 16:19.47 | AJKhan | (II) RADEONHD(0): ATOM BIOS Rom: <- I don't like atom. |
| 16:19.47 | judd | avu: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 squeeze: 2.16.1-2 sid: 2.16.2-1 |
| 16:19.50 | yareckon | Radeon 3450 mobility :) |
| 16:19.58 | yareckon | nsadmin, that's for you |
| 16:19.59 | Dunge | there you go... etch is 2.8 |
| 16:20.13 | stew | Dunge: ok, so you are having trouble folling the build instructions for this software. debian has working build scripts, why not patch the debian sources and rebuild those? |
| 16:20.15 | Dunge | I have debian-etch (it was in the filename when I installed it) |
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| 16:20.38 | nsadmin | how does it relate to "6x"? |
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| 16:20.42 | AJKhan | yareckon, try a DSUB cable, see if you get an edid response |
| 16:20.43 | stew | Dunge: you should consider upgrading to the current version of debian, especially if you are worried about which libraries are out of date |
| 16:20.53 | yareckon | it is a 620 |
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| 16:21.04 | AJKhan | yareckon, currently on my sid box with a HD3000+ I don't get edid info if I use anything but DSUB, its fine in windows |
| 16:21.06 | yareckon | which is marketed as RadeonHD3450 |
| 16:21.09 | AJKhan | so I'm guessing its a driver issue |
| 16:21.16 | nsadmin | oh, an r620? |
| 16:21.36 | nsadmin | and that's the name of the core chipset? |
| 16:21.36 | Dunge | stew : I though I was latest (did a apt-get dist-upgrade a few time ago) |
| 16:21.53 | yareckon | http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 16:22.08 | stew | Dunge: no, not at all, that version is a few years old. |
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| 16:22.24 | yareckon | AJKhan, is that a vga cable? Yeah, I'm using that |
| 16:22.25 | themill | Dunge: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; dpkg -l libc6" for us |
| 16:22.27 | Dunge | stew : anyway.. I just finished re-building every possible lib, I guess that's kinda the same thing as doing a dist upgrade |
| 16:22.39 | AJKhan | http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd:r600_demo <- this is the experimental r6xx chipset 3d I was talking abot |
| 16:22.43 | stew | Dunge: that's not at all the same thing as doing a dist upgrade |
| 16:22.52 | AJKhan | yareckon, strange, should work on a regular VGA cable |
| 16:23.00 | yareckon | thanks for all of the help, I'm going to keep futzing |
| 16:23.19 | yareckon | and head over to radeonhd if I get tired of trying new stuff |
| 16:23.32 | yareckon | I'll be back If I figure some stuff out |
| 16:23.44 | oxdot | yareckon: good luck :) |
| 16:23.52 | oxdot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.05 | AJKhan | best, for this? fglrx |
| 16:24.14 | AJKhan | best for free? for this? radeon/radeonhd |
| 16:24.28 | AJKhan | oxdot, ^ |
| 16:24.30 | oxdot | HD for 3d ? |
| 16:24.36 | AJKhan | no 3d, sorry |
| 16:24.41 | AJKhan | only 3d with fglrx |
| 16:24.43 | oxdot | blender ^^ |
| 16:24.44 | Dunge | stew : I would gladly paste the result of this command, but I can't from the device and my telnet stopped working for no reason and I can't connect and copy/paste |
| 16:24.55 | AJKhan | and only on x86, fglrx currently refuses to build on amd64 |
| 16:25.10 | stew | Dunge: can you at least say what command you are actually running that is givin you problems then? if you can't paste the output of the command? |
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| 16:26.01 | Dunge | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.07 | AJKhan | *AFK* |
| 16:26.10 | stew | Dunge: ok |
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| 16:26.20 | stew | !tell AJKhan about away |
| 16:26.27 | oxdot | are the actual catalyst right ? a64 ? had to workaround with 9.2 (http://phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64725&postcount=2) |
| 16:26.29 | stew | Dunge: what command is actually giving you problems? |
| 16:27.00 | Dunge | stew : command who gives problem is "make" in TSLIB who tells me "no rules to make target" since I added "***_la_LIBADD = $(top_builddir)/src/libts.la" to the Makefile.am |
| 16:27.30 | stew | Dunge: does Makefile exist? |
| 16:27.34 | Dunge | yes |
| 16:28.01 | Dunge | in /plugins I have a Makefile.am Makefile.in and Makefile... generated from autogen.sh |
| 16:28.21 | Dunge | and I did a make clean and autogen-clean just before that |
| 16:28.28 | Dunge | to be sure |
| 16:29.13 | stew | Dunge: does make in the src directory work? |
| 16:29.41 | stew | Dunge: I assume there is also lots of other output from "make" that you aren't telling us about, right? |
| 16:29.46 | Section58 | i get install errors while trying to install /linux-image-2.6.26-2-486_2.6.26-15lenny3_i386.deb |
| 16:29.59 | stew | Section58: what errors? |
| 16:30.00 | Section58 | it updated my grub, so now i figure if i reboot.. its not going to like it |
| 16:30.04 | Section58 | erorr (1) |
| 16:30.07 | Section58 | not that helpful |
| 16:30.16 | Dunge | stew : no... rest of the compilation is going fine with no problem... until it enter the plugins directory |
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| 16:30.22 | oxdot | AJKhan: this way (phoronix above) i could get 9.2 on my a64 box but it's a workaround ... as you said there STILL trouble yet (?) |
| 16:30.24 | stew | Section58: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:30.28 | stew | Dunge: what do you mean by "no"? |
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| 16:30.46 | Dunge | stew : no... I don't hide you anything... no other problematic output |
| 16:30.51 | stew | Dunge: do you mean "no, make in the src directory doesn't work" or "no, there isn't lots of other output"? |
| 16:31.09 | stew | Dunge: I don't believe you |
| 16:31.19 | ness | nsadmin: thanks |
| 16:31.19 | Dunge | stew : If I don't do what say in this page "https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/tslib-general/attachments/20070217/fbdca453/attachment.ksh" (adding _LIBADD) it works fine |
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| 16:31.45 | Dunge | stew : but I soon as I add this "patch" it fail with no rules to make target |
| 16:32.12 | gaintsura | any status on when the latest php will be in .deb? |
| 16:32.45 | stew | gaintsura: check to see if there is a wishlist bug filed against the php5 pacakge. if not, consider filing one |
| 16:32.53 | gaintsura | ??? |
| 16:32.58 | Section58 | o.. i looked above.. i ran out of space |
| 16:33.03 | Section58 | i a newb.. |
| 16:33.04 | Section58 | thanks |
| 16:34.35 | stew | Dunge: does "make" in the src directory succeed? |
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| 16:35.23 | Dunge | stew : no it don't succeed, it's fine until it get to "Making all in plugins" |
| 16:35.35 | yareckon | AJKhan, I think I've wasted your time.... I am a goddamn idiot... |
| 16:35.38 | yareckon | So I got it working |
| 16:35.40 | stew | Dunge: what error do you get when running "make" in the src directory? |
| 16:35.55 | gaintsura | stew: could you point me to what a wishlist bug is, and where I can check |
| 16:36.06 | stew | gaintsura: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:36.08 | yareckon | I was using VGA, but was going through a little KVM switch thing |
| 16:36.12 | emdete | has someone also problems with libgnome-keyring.so.0? its not a symlink here and `file` says its a GNU message catalog |
| 16:36.26 | yareckon | I thought that was just a passthrough, but it must have been blockign info |
| 16:36.34 | stew | gaintsura: wishlist is the lowest priority bug. you'd be looking at http://bugs.debian.org/php5 |
| 16:36.45 | yareckon | the radeonhd driver (with my xorg.conf modifications) works now |
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| 16:36.52 | Dunge | stew : "Entering directory '/usr/....../plugins' *** No rules to make target '/src/libts.la' needed by 'linear.la'. Stop. |
| 16:36.53 | yareckon | I get acceled 2D |
| 16:37.07 | stew | Dunge: i mean in the src subdirectory |
| 16:37.10 | yareckon | which is A LOT better than the radeon driver |
| 16:37.16 | stew | Dunge: not in the top level directory |
| 16:37.20 | Section58 | how can i empty a text file without having to rm it and touch it again ? |
| 16:37.23 | Dunge | oh sorry |
| 16:37.43 | maligor | yareckon, they're typically identical in features :P |
| 16:37.45 | Dunge | in the src directory it's "nothing to be done for all" (already built) |
| 16:37.52 | Dunge | no problem there |
| 16:37.54 | stew | Dunge: but that says that tob_builddir isn't defined |
| 16:38.02 | stew | Dunge: libts.la exists in that directory? |
| 16:38.21 | Dunge | stew : libts.la exists in src yes |
| 16:38.30 | themill | Section58: ": > filename.txt" or "echo > filename.txt" |
| 16:38.41 | Section58 | LOL no wonder i have no space... my openvpn log files are 80mb each |
| 16:38.58 | yareckon | well, the radeon driver was working with my kvm, whereas the radeonhd just refused, but whatever mode the radeon fell back to, it was hella slow |
| 16:38.59 | Section58 | thanks themill |
| 16:39.04 | Dunge | stew : maybe I could simply hardcore the path instead of $top_builddir? |
| 16:39.10 | themill | Section58: if you're talking about log files though, you will need to restart the daemon before you actually get the space back. |
| 16:39.10 | Dunge | hardcode* |
| 16:39.10 | stew | Dunge: you could just change $(top_builddir) to .. in that patched Makefile.am |
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| 16:39.32 | yareckon | scrolling a document broke up into a series of jerks, windows jerked and skated accross the screen |
| 16:39.37 | Dunge | stew : yes.. that could work... and re-execute autogen.sh afterwards? |
| 16:39.51 | yareckon | this is a whole different world, so now WTF? new kvm? |
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| 16:40.06 | yareckon | I thought they were supposed to stay the hell out of the way? |
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| 16:41.43 | Dunge | stew : gonna try that... and gonna eat.. be back in a few minutes |
| 16:41.55 | Dunge | thx for the help |
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| 16:44.10 | yareckon | AJKhan, do you know off of the top of your head whether support for video decoding acceleration is on the roadmap? I actually would use that a hell of a lot more than 3d |
| 16:45.46 | gaintsura | stew: thats where I'm looking... that really is kind of sad... I may have to slide back into a more source based distro... |
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| 16:46.23 | AJKhan | yareckon, unsre. Please consult with #radeon, #radeonhd |
| 16:46.51 | AJKhan | oxdot, I don't know |
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| 16:47.06 | yareckon | thanks, you;ve really helped |
| 16:47.16 | AJKhan | you're very welcome |
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| 16:47.49 | AJKhan | oxdot, in my case, it refuses to build. I am on amd64. You should try to build it anyway, if it goes, it goes. :) |
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| 16:48.18 | oxdot | yareckon: again dont know if it helps but i got official 9.2 working this way : http://phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=64725&postcount=2 |
| 16:49.06 | AJKhan | oxdot, yareckon do NOT do that. |
| 16:49.23 | thrashold | I installed network-manager-gnome and it disabled my ethernet adapter upon installation. What should I change in the settings (nm-something-editor) to get it back? |
| 16:49.31 | themill | gaintsura: what specifically does php 5.2.10 offer that you need? |
| 16:49.53 | oxdot | AJKhan: why ? (9.2 are working on my a64 box) |
| 16:50.01 | yareckon | I'm staying on the free software drivers at this point |
| 16:50.02 | arvind_khadri | stew, i just created a .deb using checkinstall |
| 16:50.10 | cahoot | thrashold: is the ethernet still listed in interfaces? |
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| 16:50.19 | gaintsura | themill: I'm looking for 5.3 actually.. |
| 16:50.20 | thrashold | cahoot: Yes. |
| 16:50.28 | oxdot | yareckon: good choice, but i NEED 3D :/ |
| 16:50.41 | cahoot | thrashold: might be why nm doesn't care about it |
| 16:50.42 | themill | gaintsura: while it's in RC status, you're not really likely to find it in many/any distros |
| 16:51.04 | thrashold | cahoot: But it puts the interface down... |
| 16:51.13 | yareckon | I understand, I'm gonna wait for it... I have a laptop with an intel chip to play around with compiz :) |
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| 16:51.31 | yareckon | so I can sit tight here till this driver gets those features |
| 16:51.54 | themill | gaintsura: see also http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2009-June/005686.html |
| 16:52.14 | AJKhan | yareckon, you can always just use fglr |
| 16:52.27 | gaintsura | themill: O.o I thought it was just put into stable a day or 2 ago... |
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| 16:52.36 | AJKhan | yareckon, just because it is non-free doesn't render it useless. It works and performs tons better than oss radeon/radeonhd |
| 16:52.50 | themill | gaintsura: not according to www.php.net and I figure they should know |
| 16:52.54 | oxdot | yareckon: i have to play with blender ... opengl (if i had any other choice ...) |
| 16:53.04 | gaintsura | themill: indeed, thats where I just saw |
| 16:53.05 | Akuw | what tool can i use to decrypt 3DES |
| 16:53.09 | oxdot | AJKhan: why did you meen not to use it ? |
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| 16:53.42 | AJKhan | oxdot, what is this sfgxi? what does it do? where is the source for these scripts? what kernel options do they change? which flags do they modify? |
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| 16:54.38 | gaintsura | themill: thanks for the info |
| 16:55.00 | themill | gaintsura: also "a day or 2" is rarely enough for a distributor to bash the package into shape so that it actually plays nicely with all the other kids. Upstream deciding that their code is ready for release isn't really enough to actually make a package stable in terms of its interactions with everything else on the system. |
| 16:55.03 | AJKhan | http://smxi.org/site/about.htm |
| 16:55.17 | oxdot | AJKhan: honestly ? no clue ^^ but it work's the scritps is (was ? 2/09) here : smxi.org/smxi.zip (in one of the cmd-line of the script) |
| 16:55.20 | Zambezi | Any idea about this problem with randr i Squeeze? #radeon running out of ideas atm: http://pastebin.com/d245c480d |
| 16:55.36 | AJKhan | I'm not down with this unless I have the source to look at, to see what it does exactly to my debian system, and if I'd want it to do that or not. |
| 16:55.52 | gaintsura | themill: in that case then, would it be better to move to a more source based distro to avoid these problems? |
| 16:56.06 | AJKhan | oxdot, this is why I said stop. Don't apply random fixes from the Internet |
| 16:56.35 | yareckon | AJKhan, oxdot, all true, not saying it's useless, just that I want to stay on the free stuff, and that I am in a position to wait fortunately |
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| 16:56.46 | themill | gaintsura: hardly. Who's doing the bashing on the packages to make sure they play nicely for you in that case? |
| 16:56.55 | AJKhan | There are some fairly consistent, known, issues, that haven't changed much over time. Here's a brief listing of them: |
| 16:57.00 | gaintsura | themill: :S |
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| 16:57.17 | AJKhan | Erratic fglrx (ATI non-free driver) support and function. This is not a reliable driver, especially not in the current default of using the debian deb constructor option of the fglrx driver installer package. If you have problems with the standard sgfxi deb constructor method, try the sgfxi -f method that doesn't create deb packages, but installs the driver directly. That might work better for you. <-- this is even MORE fucked up. |
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| 16:57.49 | gaintsura | themill: this is kind of a black area in most linux packages unfortunately =( |
| 16:57.52 | gaintsura | err distros |
| 16:57.54 | gaintsura | not packages |
| 16:58.08 | AJKhan | fglrx barely supports Debian Sid in general, so if you have a solid working setup, do NOT randomly upgrade your system without first checking to make sure the driver actually works with the latest Xorg and Kernel. |
| 16:58.28 | gaintsura | fglrx is always a pain =( |
| 16:58.29 | abrotman | if you want a stable system, don't use sid |
| 16:58.30 | oxdot | I usualy also don't but had to get blender working, was pointed to and got it working ... |
| 16:58.48 | nsadmin | I don't see sid being reliably supported by anything... |
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| 16:59.03 | nsadmin | perhaps you mean today :) |
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| 16:59.17 | oxdot | btw with this WORKAROUND i have to manualy upgrade ... but as said needed blender to work ... |
| 16:59.36 | themill | gaintsura: if upstream developers cared more about integration of packages and held off marking things as "stable" until these integration issues were solved, it wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, so many get the "Works on My Machine" certification and no other: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000818.html |
| 17:00.03 | AJKhan | oxdot, and wait til some update/upgrade happens |
| 17:00.07 | jelly | AJKhan: those scripts sound very scary. |
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| 17:00.14 | AJKhan | oxdot, you WILL have a broken system, I guarantee it. |
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| 17:01.02 | gaintsura | themill: yeah, but that would slow the development of linux down, or would force a lot of people to testing the latest stuff to help bring the problems to the table faster |
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| 17:01.26 | themill | gaintsura: right... it's such a shame to actually test things and see if they work for other people :) |
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| 17:01.48 | enouf | themill: heh .. i recall many of the upstream yukon/marvell wifi drivers actually saying; "Not tested on any hardware yet" .. or something similar :-p |
| 17:01.56 | alan` | hey can somebody here explain to me how to upgrade from Debian 4.0 to 5.0 without downloading another CD? |
| 17:02.03 | themill | enouf: lovely |
| 17:02.04 | enouf | er .. in the git repo |
| 17:02.10 | AJKhan | !tell alan` -about etch->lenny |
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| 17:02.42 | oxdot | AJKhan: in witch way ? (im NOT supporting it, nor recommand it as a good choice, but again everything exept the last blender build, work (including 2.48a)) |
| 17:02.45 | AJKhan | jelly, yes, very scary |
| 17:02.53 | gaintsura | themill: I'd love to see it happen, more people should actually be testing the software and their updates, it would speed the development, and inadvertently bring the newer *nix users deeper into the development process as well |
| 17:03.03 | AJKhan | oxdot, if you know what you're doing, have at it. |
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| 17:04.24 | oxdot | AJKhan: again, as said, it's a workaround that keep me (at least) away from m$ ... |
| 17:04.42 | AJKhan | :) |
| 17:04.47 | oxdot | ;) |
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| 17:07.12 | Dunge | stew : you still there? |
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| 17:09.22 | Section58 | omg |
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| 17:09.32 | Section58 | i just ate my own shoe |
| 17:09.39 | Section58 | i upgraded to lenny and rebooted |
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| 17:09.45 | Section58 | and my network failed |
| 17:09.52 | Section58 | i was like 'oh noes' |
| 17:10.14 | Section58 | then i reilised, that the new kernal install would have defaulted my port forwarding back to 0 |
| 17:10.14 | Section58 | lulz |
| 17:10.59 | fxiny | Section58: go on eating the sock :P |
| 17:11.08 | fxiny | Section58: :)) |
| 17:11.33 | simonrvn | fix your sysctl.conf... and WTF would a KERNEL upgrade do that? |
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| 17:12.18 | Section58 | now its just a case of finding that file |
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| 17:12.34 | themill | simonrvn: probably more the reboot that the kernel upgrade as such |
| 17:13.13 | Section58 | can someone be really nice and tell me where i find the portforward file |
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| 17:13.34 | Section58 | i would ofc google at times like these. but my net isn't working right |
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| 17:14.26 | nsadmin | Section58: it's evidently working well enough for you to be here :)\ |
| 17:14.42 | Section58 | nah, irc gets conenction marked and ported out another connection |
| 17:14.46 | Section58 | if i disconenct |
| 17:14.46 | simonrvn | themill: indeed. sysct settings don't stay across reboots if not set in sysctl.conf ;). |
| 17:14.51 | Section58 | i wouldn't beable to come back |
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| 17:15.26 | enouf | themill: just to try and correct myself, and clarify; i was just looking for an example, and had trouble finding one, and i can't seem to find them as easily as i was bumping into them - it might've not been marvell/yukon, and i was just poking about the ath{5,9}k driver areas .. but can't find an example yet .. but i _know_ i've seen them (but i hate disseminating bad information) |
| 17:15.30 | themill | Section58: you might like to investigate the "ipmasq" package |
| 17:15.50 | Section58 | erm.... i'm k with my iptables, but thanks :P |
| 17:15.52 | themill | enouf: I'm sure there are many such things out there... |
| 17:16.18 | themill | Section58: ipmasq is a set of configuration scripts for iptables. You might like to actually look at it before dismissing it. |
| 17:16.39 | Dunge | install: error: cannot install 'linear.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/gtkdfb/lib/ts/ <--- what's that? |
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| 17:17.24 | Section58 | like i said mate. my routers are on another level. but thanks |
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| 17:18.09 | Section58 | anyone know of a google bot somewhere on here ? |
| 17:19.08 | nkuttler | Section58: bot? |
| 17:19.23 | Section58 | i need to access google, without useing port 80 |
| 17:19.25 | Dunge | it's around the corner if the fifth avenue |
| 17:19.36 | Section58 | to find out where the debian port forward file is |
| 17:19.40 | Section58 | or a command to help me find it |
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| 17:20.00 | nkuttler | Section58: debian doesn't forward any ports unless you tell it to do so |
| 17:20.05 | Section58 | indeed |
| 17:20.09 | Section58 | and i need to tell it to do so |
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| 17:20.39 | nkuttler | man iptables i guess |
| 17:20.40 | Section58 | i just upgraded to lenny, and it reset itself |
| 17:20.40 | Section58 | i just can't remmber where |
| 17:20.46 | Section58 | its nothing to do with iptables |
| 17:20.53 | Section58 | its a text file with a 0 or a 1 in it |
| 17:21.02 | Section58 | i just need to knwo the location |
| 17:21.15 | zinx | uhm, it would be in /etc/default/ if it's a Debian thing |
| 17:21.19 | nkuttler | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 17:21.27 | Section58 | thank you nkuttler |
| 17:21.33 | Section58 | you got it |
| 17:21.44 | Section58 | i didn't think think to look in proc |
| 17:22.33 | fxiny | Section58: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
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| 17:22.46 | fxiny | oops |
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| 17:23.25 | Section58 | wh00t |
| 17:23.34 | Section58 | i would die without google support.. man |
| 17:23.53 | Section58 | thanks nkuttler |
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| 17:24.36 | jaggz- | so what do I use instead of seamonkey/iceape? or can I still find .deb packages for them for lenny? |
| 17:25.03 | themill | dpkg: tell jaggz- about iceape lenny |
| 17:25.19 | themill | jaggz-: iceweasel and icedove are in lenny |
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| 17:27.11 | oxdot | so, cya guy's ... and thks u AJKhan for the time |
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| 17:32.06 | jaggz- | i need the editor, themill |
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| 17:33.15 | carrot_ | Hi, I'm having problems with binding to Active Directory for authentication -- I followed this guide: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/battista/articles/winbind/ -- and I find that on boot I cannot login as an AD user (error: "no logon servers"), but if I login as a local user and then run "sudo net ads join -U'user%password'; /etc/init.d/samba restart; /etc/init.d/winbind restart" I can then login as an AD user -- any ideas? |
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| 17:33.28 | enouf | jaggz-: what does iceape do in particular? if it's not the browser, nor the email aspect of seamonkey, what is it? the Chat thing? or HTML editor? |
| 17:33.35 | enouf | oh .. duh |
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| 17:34.59 | jaggz- | I'd actually prefer a nicer html editor |
| 17:35.14 | jaggz- | one which maintained cursor position whether in HTML or wysiwyg departments |
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| 17:36.29 | jaggz- | dl's amaya and kompozer |
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| 17:37.56 | Manoj | uses emacs+rlaxng + firefox+refresh |
| 17:38.14 | nkuttler | jaggz-: vim can at least maintain cursor lines, not sure about precise position |
| 17:38.31 | Manoj | I have tow monitors, and as soon as I save in emacs on one monitor, firefox shows the result on the other |
| 17:38.35 | Manoj | works like a charm |
| 17:38.41 | enouf | jaggz-: not that i know, but i've heard; anything good with this? http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ |
| 17:38.41 | jaggz- | I'm good with vim.. I'm missing the ease of deleting entire columns without the wysiwyg editor |
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| 17:39.03 | nkuttler | visual mode? |
| 17:39.10 | Manoj | jaggz-: firefox open on the local fle, with the refresh every 5 seconds going on |
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| 17:39.47 | Manoj | advantage: you see it as displayed ina real live browser users might use |
| 17:40.03 | mamalujo | how would I turn right ctrl key into hyper - which column of xmodmap's keycode do I edit for the actions on holding hyper? I have clear mod3 and after keycode binding Hyper_R , have add Mod3 = Hyper_R - i sucessfully rearranged ctrl, alt, win(super) in this way. But am little uncertain on what mod2, mod3 etc exactly means.. |
| 17:40.17 | greycat | Or just manually refresh with Ctrl-R. |
| 17:40.48 | nkuttler | or F5... 5 seconds delay is kind of slow |
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| 17:41.14 | fxiny | just r with vimperator |
| 17:41.19 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to see the dmesg before the last reboot? |
| 17:41.21 | carrot | Hi, I'm having problems with binding to Active Directory for authentication -- I followed this guide: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/battista/articles/winbind/ -- and I find that on boot I cannot login as an AD user (error: "no logon servers"), but if I login as a local user and then run "sudo net ads join -U'user%password'; /etc/init.d/samba restart; /etc/init.d/winbind restart" I can then login as an AD user -- any ideas? |
| 17:41.36 | enouf | JyZyXEL: erm .. |
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| 17:41.51 | JyZyXEL | what erm |
| 17:42.11 | enouf | JyZyXEL: what does that mean? does /var/log/dmesg.* help? |
| 17:42.33 | greycat | /var/log/dmesg* is the only thing that will |
| 17:42.49 | JyZyXEL | but how do i find out the place where its just before the reboot |
| 17:43.23 | dhendrix | question about compiling a kernel with make-kpkg -- I have "do_initrd = Yes" and "warn_initrd = No" in my /etc/kernel-img.conf file, but I still get nag screens about installing an initrd kernel. Is this a known issue? Is there a workaround? |
| 17:43.48 | enouf | greycat: however, IINM, those never contain the live buffer that dmesg does - they are static .. from bootup till shutdown/reboot - the sizes here are all the same :-( |
| 17:43.49 | karlpinc | carrot : I've had very good luck with the samba wiki (at samba.org maybe?). I just followed the voodoo there and it worked. |
| 17:44.05 | enouf | !wayttd JyZyXEL |
| 17:44.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, JyZyXEL? |
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| 17:44.38 | JyZyXEL | enouf, trying to figure out why the hell one of my boxes likes to suddenly freeze |
| 17:44.47 | greycat | enouf: since he wanted stuff from the previous boot, though.... |
| 17:44.54 | enouf | JyZyXEL: if you want to watch the shutdown/reboot process, attach a serial console |
| 17:45.01 | karlpinc | carrot : My guess is that you're missing the step where you join as an admin, but that's a random guess. |
| 17:45.16 | enouf | greycat: i guess i misunderstand then .. heh |
| 17:45.20 | JyZyXEL | no i wanna know why the heck the machine crashes |
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| 17:45.43 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: do low level hardware tests? |
| 17:45.57 | karlpinc | What are the options for interoperating with MS office 2007? I see that IBM has released lotus notes for free (as in download), but it's not in the repositories. What other choices are there? |
| 17:46.03 | nkuttler | ram, cpu mainly |
| 17:46.11 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean |
| 17:46.15 | enouf | JyZyXEL: you can run things like valgrind (mem leak test) and gdb, and debug ;-) |
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| 17:46.19 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL : memtest86+ to start. |
| 17:46.23 | dhendrix | karlpinc: try openoffice or google docs. |
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| 17:46.35 | nkuttler | karlpinc: which part of office? |
| 17:46.36 | JyZyXEL | lol since when did memtest ever do any good |
| 17:46.41 | carrot | karlpinc: it doesn't make sense though, because I've put that same code snippet into /etc/network/if-up.d/ and it seems to be running |
| 17:46.44 | karlpinc | dhendrix : Openoffice in lenny will do word 2007. |
| 17:46.46 | enouf | JyZyXEL: there's even a way to do it over a firewire connection :-P |
| 17:46.46 | JyZyXEL | i've never had broken ram |
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| 17:46.53 | dhendrix | JyZyXEL: memtest86+ is a good start as karlpinc suggested. You might also want to ensure that your processor isn't getting too hot. |
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| 17:46.58 | JyZyXEL | i've never heard of ANYONE having bad ram |
| 17:47.05 | greycat | I have. |
| 17:47.10 | JyZyXEL | its a myth |
| 17:47.10 | dhendrix | ditto |
| 17:47.10 | enouf | JyZyXEL: are you overclocking your system? and /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 17:47.11 | Dunge | install: error: cannot install 'linear.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/gtkdfb/lib/ts/ <--- Happens when I "make install"... configure was called with a --prefix |
| 17:47.12 | karlpinc | nkuttler : Mostly word processing and spreadsheets. |
| 17:47.19 | Zharf | I had bad ram |
| 17:47.24 | nkuttler | karlpinc: save as -> .doc |
| 17:47.29 | greycat | We did too, one one of our servers. |
| 17:47.34 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL : Happens all the time, especially when there's heat issues. You need to run overnight to warm up the hardware for a good test. |
| 17:47.40 | nkuttler | although ms office 07 should handle oo docs |
| 17:48.03 | enouf | speaking of RAM, anyone using FB-DIMMs and what's the overall performance vs DDR2/3 say? |
| 17:48.12 | karlpinc | nkuttler : Really, I want to go the other way, when somebody sends me a .docx I need to be able to edit and return. |
| 17:48.22 | enouf | oh btw; |
| 17:48.30 | dhendrix | enouf: performance is pretty good, latency is really bad though. Check out sites like anandtech.com to get benchmark numbers. |
| 17:48.31 | enouf | !myram |
| 17:48.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, myram is install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
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| 17:49.05 | dhendrix | enouf: another problem is that they tend to run really hot. The AMBs use an extra 5 watts or so each, which significantly raises the overall temperature of a system when you have 16 or 32 of them... |
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| 17:50.27 | enouf | dhendrix: i recall the latency issues being probable .. just hadn't looked in a while - all i heard way back was all this good stuff -- with so many lanes, and the way it has it's own controller (hey, there's an AMD64 thought :-P), that it might make up for expected latency |
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| 17:50.32 | enouf | dhendrix: thanks though |
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| 17:50.55 | enouf | ahh - makes sense dhendrix |
| 17:50.58 | karlpinc | carrot : Since when is MS Active Directory supposed to make sense? |
| 17:50.59 | jtgiri | hi guys, i see snmpd is only listening on local address, how can I change that ? |
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| 17:51.15 | carrot | karlpinc: it isn't.... but Linux is supposed to |
| 17:51.23 | karlpinc | jtgiri : man smtpd? |
| 17:51.32 | teclo- | Hi there, when will pidgin 2.5.7 be in Debian "squeeze" ? We need it bad because the current version of pidgin cannot connect to Yahoo chat servers anymore... |
| 17:51.47 | greycat | judd: versions pidgin |
| 17:51.47 | karlpinc | carrot : Samba aims for bug-for-bug compatibility. |
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| 17:51.48 | judd | greycat: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny2 lenny-backports: 2.5.5-1.1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.5.6-1 sid: 2.5.7-1 |
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| 17:52.02 | carrot | karlpinc: ouch |
| 17:52.09 | dhendrix | enouf: Its real purpose was to make it easier to put 8 DIMMs on a single memory bus for each processor since electrical load balancing is very difficult when you go past 4 DIMMs. Otherwise, it's just DDR2 memory modules with an AMB attached and a different bus protocol. |
| 17:52.09 | teclo- | ah it's in sid already... good... |
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| 17:52.25 | enouf | dhendrix: fb-dimms were supposed to be the new Registered/Buffered RAM replacements, IIRC, and naturally marketed with high hopes of speed boosts - heh |
| 17:52.35 | greycat | teclo-: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:52.40 | dhendrix | enouf: I think both AMD and Intel are moving more toward DDR3, but I haven't examined their roadmaps very closely. |
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| 17:54.28 | enouf | dhendrix: aye .. |
| 17:54.29 | _pop_ | is there a vesa driver with lenny i cant find it ? |
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| 17:54.30 | enouf | _pop_: Xorg? |
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| 17:54.30 | greycat | xserver-xorg-video-vesa - X.Org X server -- VESA display driver |
| 17:54.31 | _pop_ | yeah ....ive installed xen and radeon doesnt work with xen |
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| 17:54.31 | enouf | uvesafb is the .26 module, if that's what you mean? |
| 17:54.31 | enouf | oh |
| 17:54.31 | _pop_ | you got any ideas |
| 17:54.31 | _pop_ | ? |
| 17:54.31 | enouf | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/video/uvesafb.ko |
| 17:54.43 | _pop_ | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 17:54.49 | _pop_ | thats my card |
| 17:55.03 | enouf | _pop_: i enable vesafb for Console via giving the kernel the vga=NNN option on it's cmdline |
| 17:55.05 | jvogel | hi can anyone help me think of a domain name? |
| 17:55.07 | jvogel | that sounds cool |
| 17:55.11 | jvogel | but doesnt sound weird |
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| 17:55.31 | _pop_ | does it worl with X enouf ? |
| 17:55.32 | sladi | Hi! I installed a netinst CD with just the standard system selected and then added KDE standard. I'm haven't installed ALSA-base but I do get sound, so I guess it's OSS? How do I choose between them as hinted in the descritption of the package alsa-base please? |
| 17:55.34 | _pop_ | work* |
| 17:55.37 | teclo- | thanks about that info about compiling from the sid source |
| 17:55.45 | zagibu | i've had bad RAM as well...it was probably more of an MB<->RAM compatibility, but still |
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| 17:56.01 | teclo- | but... if I wait till 2.5.7 goes from sid to squeeze, how long should it take ? one week ? more ? |
| 17:56.05 | enouf | _pop_: it occupies some PCI Device I/O address space ;-) |
| 17:56.10 | cahoot | sladi: alsa comes with the kernel |
| 17:56.31 | sladi | I mean can I just go ahead and install alsa-base or will it interfere with OSS. I can't seem to find the OSS package. |
| 17:56.45 | cahoot | sladi: why do you want oss? |
| 17:56.54 | _pop_ | enouf so i add vesafb in xorg and vga in grub ? |
| 17:56.54 | enouf | _pop_: according to man radeon ; RV200 Radeon 7500, M7, FireGL 7800 |
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| 17:57.10 | SteppenwolfII | if I want something ran when the system starts up, where do I put it, please? |
| 17:57.34 | carrot | SteppenwolfII: init.d? |
| 17:57.35 | greycat | SteppenwolfII: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:57.41 | _pop_ | rv200 is the driver enouf ? |
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| 17:57.45 | SteppenwolfII | Thanks |
| 17:57.46 | greycat | or if it's a real quickie, you can use rc.local |
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| 17:58.05 | enouf | _pop_: that would work - the Xorg driver isn't a kernel module, and greycat showed you which package that is in |
| 17:58.16 | sladi | cahoot, I want actuall to try pulse audio so I want ALSA. Thank you! |
| 17:58.26 | enouf | _pop_: no, rv200 is ATi's nomenclature |
| 17:58.37 | _pop_ | k ill give that ago |
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| 17:59.00 | sladi | cahoot, a package installed oss-compat as a dependency and that confused me. :) |
| 17:59.28 | enouf | _pop_: xserver-xorg-video-vesa: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so |
| 17:59.52 | enouf | _pop_: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log once booted fully into X |
| 17:59.55 | _pop_ | yeah |
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| 18:00.44 | _pop_ | k enouf ill try that thanks |
| 18:01.03 | _pop_ | the vga=nnn you say do that at line command ? |
| 18:01.11 | _pop_ | a boot up |
| 18:01.23 | mamalujo | this is my current modmap, if someone might suggest how to specify actions on combinations w hyper - xev reports right ctrl indeed producing Hyper_R as desired: http://pastebin.com/f508e878b |
| 18:01.26 | _pop_ | at |
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| 18:01.53 | RoenieSrvr | can anyone name an open source app to write sheet music (scores)? |
| 18:02.27 | enouf | dhendrix: thanks for the minor refresher (AMBs + many DIMMs per bus) ... |
| 18:02.45 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: lilypond ? |
| 18:03.08 | jaggz- | re.. |
| 18:03.12 | jaggz- | i'm in hospital taking care of wife |
| 18:03.22 | jaggz- | bluefish is not wysiwyg it seems.. i have it installed though |
| 18:03.30 | enouf | _pop_: well, typical is vga=791 for 1024x768 resolution - but /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 18:03.38 | dhendrix | enouf: np. I chipped in on some software to help monitor dimms in datacenter environments, so it's still pretty fresh in my head. |
| 18:03.56 | dhendrix | enouf: which is also why I nearly fell off my chair when someone suggested that there is no bad memory ;-) |
| 18:04.11 | RoenieSrvr | ty |
| 18:04.31 | enouf | _pop_: that's 16bit, you can use 792 (or whatever it is) for same resolution i mentioned if you really want to try 24bit in Console :-p |
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| 18:04.44 | enouf | dhendrix: haha |
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| 18:05.01 | _pop_ | yeah i normally use 791 enouf .....792 is 24 bit ? |
| 18:05.13 | enouf | _pop_: i forget offhand - find the tables |
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| 18:05.28 | _pop_ | yeah i will thanks for help |
| 18:05.33 | enouf | _pop_: you could even use a hex value instead |
| 18:05.35 | RoenieSrvr | abrotman, i hope it includes the different 'looks' for notes that i need for drums |
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| 18:05.57 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: i haven't used it much |
| 18:05.57 | _pop_ | yeah ive never gone into it ....ive always stuck to 791 |
| 18:06.05 | RoenieSrvr | can't remember the name of hte app i used on win32 |
| 18:06.07 | enouf | _pop_: tldp.org has a hex table in their Framebuffer docs, and so would the kernel Documentation/fb/* |
| 18:06.10 | Dunge | Anyone can please explain what does this error means? install: error: cannot install 'linear.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/gtkdfb/lib/ts/ |
| 18:06.10 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: http://lilypond.org/web/ |
| 18:06.29 | _pop_ | what advantages does hex have if any ? |
| 18:06.34 | abrotman | RoenieSrvr: but i beleive it's packaged for debian |
| 18:06.47 | enouf | _pop_: none, AFAIK |
| 18:07.07 | wsxws | while a bootstrap on a webserver in a datacenter in recuemode i always get tis: "chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc" "chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error" any suggestions how to fix that ? |
| 18:07.11 | enouf | _pop_: IIRC, the kernel used to not take Decimal values, long ago :-p |
| 18:07.33 | _pop_ | yeah |
| 18:07.42 | macrobat | I run sid and I'd like to update wine from the old 1.0.1-1. I tried to pin it from experimental, but it would cause a lot of breakage. |
| 18:07.44 | macrobat | Should I try the winehq repos for ubuntu or compile wine? |
| 18:08.03 | enouf | wsxws: mount is/should be setuid root, so |
| 18:08.30 | enouf | wsxws: why not --bind mount /proc prior to chroot'ing? |
| 18:09.09 | jpinx | During update/dist-upgrade I am getting "lastfm: Depends: libgpod3-nogtk (>= 0.6.0) but it is not installable or libgpod3 (>= 0.6.0) but it is not installable" solution - remove last.fm . Anyone know how to get around this? |
| 18:09.13 | enouf | wsxws: ahh .. perhaps in rescue/single you're using the mount that's within the initrd? ... just a guess, not sure that makes sense though |
| 18:09.19 | wsxws | i did not do the script, its debians debootstrap-script |
| 18:09.28 | enouf | oh |
| 18:09.37 | wsxws | oh, yes |
| 18:09.42 | wsxws | thats my problem |
| 18:09.50 | enouf | wsxws: exec format error? hrm, wrong ARCH? |
| 18:09.50 | wsxws | there is no os on that machine |
| 18:09.56 | enouf | heh |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | macrobat: you'd probably do better to try the ones from winehq if you really need to |
| 18:10.06 | wsxws | amd64 on a quadcore |
| 18:10.27 | enouf | wsxws: i mean 32bit userland vs 64bit on the other .. |
| 18:10.29 | _pop_ | enouf, /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-xen-686/kernel/drivers/video/uvesafb.ko <<< that the vesafb driver ? |
| 18:10.43 | jaggz- | damn, not as easy as iceape |
| 18:10.45 | enouf | _pop_: that's the kernel module, yes |
| 18:10.52 | jaggz- | sighs |
| 18:10.52 | _pop_ | k |
| 18:10.56 | enouf | _pop_: modinfo uvesafb |
| 18:11.03 | _pop_ | yeah |
| 18:11.28 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:12.20 | wsxws | there is a webserver with an empty hdd. its booted in rescuemode and sda1 ins mounted on /mnt. i just downloaded the bootstrappackage and started the bootstrapinstallation. i choose lenny for amd64 on an opteron quadcore |
| 18:12.27 | wsxws | there is nothing else i can choose |
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| 18:12.59 | wsxws | (while a bootstrap on a webserver in a datacenter in recuemode i always get tis: "chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc" "chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error" any suggestions how to fix that ? |
| 18:13.02 | wsxws | oops, soory |
| 18:13.07 | tuxcrafter | ho was that system called again for debian custom preinstalled system |
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| 18:13.19 | tuxcrafter | like debian netbook editon debian education |
| 18:13.23 | tuxcrafter | etecetra |
| 18:13.26 | wsxws | (usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 lenny /mnt/ http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian) |
| 18:13.35 | nkuttler | tuxcrafter: preseeding? custom netinst? |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | !ddc |
| 18:13.46 | dpkg | somebody said ddc was the Display Data Channel. it provides a way for programs to ask DDC-compliant ("Plug and Play") monitors for information about themselves. |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | bleh |
| 18:13.51 | abrotman | !dcc |
| 18:13.51 | dpkg | [dcc] a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ or see <dcc alliance> |
| 18:14.00 | abrotman | oh grr .. what are they called? |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | blends now? |
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| 18:14.47 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends .. those ? |
| 18:15.08 | greycat | I'm confused by "There's a server with an empty hard drive. It's booted in rescue mode." |
| 18:15.12 | enouf | wsxws: why are you booted in rescue mode? and how did you get into it? are your PXE booting? I'm not following precisely though -- if you mean you started the installer in rescue mode, IINM, your FS might be mounted ro, or some other nasty options like noexec,nodev, etc |
| 18:15.22 | enouf | greycat: heh, me too |
| 18:15.32 | greycat | HOW did you boot a machine with an empty hard drive, precisely? And if the hard drive is empty, how are you mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt? |
| 18:15.54 | enouf | indeed .. thanks for asking what i wanted to :-) |
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| 18:16.17 | greycat | I'm glad it wasn't just me.... |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | enouf: we know what you *really* wanted to say :) |
| 18:16.17 | enouf | !enouf |
| 18:16.17 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 18:16.19 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 18:17.08 | budo | does ubuntu include support for watching flash videos yet? |
| 18:17.14 | greycat | Ask #ubuntu. |
| 18:18.04 | budo | ok, ty |
| 18:18.10 | wsxws | greycat that server was delivered with hardware raid 1. i booted in in rescue-mode and changed raid 1 to raid 0. i did the partitioning and now i wanna install an os on the fresh partitions |
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| 18:18.33 | wsxws | i did this several times meanwhile on different webservers. |
| 18:18.45 | wsxws | but on this server it does not work |
| 18:18.57 | wsxws | the rescuesystem is debian as well |
| 18:19.02 | wsxws | (netboot) |
| 18:19.11 | greycat | So you booted from an installed Debian system on sdb, and are mounting partitions from sda? |
| 18:19.30 | wsxws | bootet by netboot from the providers network |
| 18:19.47 | wsxws | usual rescue-mode on webservers |
| 18:19.49 | greycat | What kernel architecture did you netboot? i386 or amd64? |
| 18:20.13 | wsxws | resue is 32bit |
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| 18:20.16 | wsxws | rescue |
| 18:20.25 | wsxws | ah, got the point |
| 18:20.27 | wsxws | damn |
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| 18:20.57 | wsxws | sometime i just need a little punch with a huge hammer |
| 18:21.00 | wsxws | thanks |
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| 18:24.35 | wsxws | wish you a nice evening |
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| 18:26.38 | tuxcrafter | i made my 5 second boot debian destkop today :D http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup#Testsresultsofusers |
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| 18:27.13 | tuxcrafter | it took a while but it now beets hypernating or resuming from ram :D |
| 18:27.21 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.25 | maligor | 5 seconds is 4.5 seconds too long :P |
| 18:27.32 | tuxcrafter | maligor: still true |
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| 18:27.51 | tuxcrafter | but the rest has to gome from grub2 and bios (coreboot) teams |
| 18:27.55 | maligor | using fastboot? |
| 18:28.00 | tuxcrafter | nope |
| 18:28.11 | maligor | why not? |
| 18:28.27 | tuxcrafter | only debian default stuff with no custom recompilation to keep it maintainable |
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| 18:31.44 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.07 | missyjane | hello |
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| 18:32.27 | greycat | most machines don't have all that much running by the time they display a login prompt |
| 18:32.38 | greycat | your basic cron, inetd, sshd, etc. |
| 18:32.48 | tuxcrafter | jpinx: full desktop |
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| 18:33.22 | tuxcrafter | jpinx: but my desktop is started with my inittab system so no grapical desktop manager |
| 18:33.59 | tuxcrafter | jpinx: the desktop screenshos are shown in the tarbal |
| 18:34.40 | jpinx | tuxcrafter: ok - but how fast to full X desktop like lxde ? |
| 18:34.52 | tuxcrafter | jpinx: dont yse lxde |
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| 18:35.05 | tuxcrafter | but i think around the same maybe 1 sec slower |
| 18:35.12 | enouf | !8ball, which DE does tuxcrafter use? |
| 18:35.21 | jpinx | tuxcrafter: it's faster than xfce ;) |
| 18:35.30 | tuxcrafter | enouf: i tweaked my xfce |
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| 18:36.05 | enouf | you should try Gnome, so you can say you modified your Registry :-p |
| 18:36.06 | tuxcrafter | i use custom debian xfce based destkop called pct-destkop-edition i worked on it for two years now |
| 18:36.08 | enouf | runs |
| 18:36.34 | tuxcrafter | it need to get it into debian preseeding systems and live cds but dont have the manpower |
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| 18:36.55 | jpinx | tuxcrafter: if you bypass gdm/xdm/*dm and got straight to your ggraphical desktop with stuff actuall running - how long? |
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| 18:38.20 | greycat | jpinx: I hope one of the things that's running is xlock, in locked state! |
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| 18:40.31 | tuxcrafter | jpinx: 5,5 secons |
| 18:40.36 | tuxcrafter | for full desktop |
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| 18:42.27 | Lustra | How do I go about making a user only able to view/edit the /var/www dir? |
| 18:42.48 | enouf | view/edit? wtf? |
| 18:42.58 | enouf | as opposed to? |
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| 18:44.53 | Lustra | as opposed to leaving the directory and viewing other files, enouf. |
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| 18:47.35 | enouf | you mean jail the user to /var/www/ ? yikes |
| 18:48.01 | Lustra | yup |
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| 18:48.31 | jleedev | ftp servers can restrict users like that |
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| 18:48.50 | greycat | Yeah, but then you'd have to use ftp. |
| 18:49.06 | greycat | Bathwater, baby. |
| 18:49.18 | themill | *splash* |
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| 18:49.53 | jleedev | what's wrong with viewing other files? |
| 18:51.10 | ewet | okay so here's the most stupid question of the day: if i want to have 3 disks in a software raid 5 except say '/tmp', '/var' and maybe '/boot' (because of crypt/raid issues) would i really have to use 3 partitions for these 3 mountpoints? |
| 18:51.20 | Lustra | I have an IRCd config file, jleedev. |
| 18:51.40 | ewet | i would like to have a more flexible solution - like all in one(?) |
| 18:51.43 | greycat | You can probably have /tmp as a symlink to /var/tmp. |
| 18:51.54 | enouf | consider moving documentroot from there into /home/username/somewhere ? http://www.debianadmin.com/apache2-installation-and-configuration-with-php-support-in-debian-linux.html |
| 18:52.17 | ewet | greycat: okay, reasonable idea |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | /boot probably needs a separate partition |
| 18:52.57 | jleedev | Lustra: any sensitive conf files should already have read permission restricted. |
| 18:53.06 | ewet | okay but mountpoint=partition period? so that's what i expected |
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| 18:54.10 | enouf | ewet: no, mountpoint=dir or similar |
| 18:54.49 | greycat | I believe he's asking whether he can put two file systems into a single disk partition, and as far as I know, that would be a "no". |
| 18:54.59 | enouf | ewet: you can mount most anything anywhere, even loop mount it - are " '/tmp', '/var' and maybe '/boot' " already on separate partitions? |
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| 18:55.53 | enouf | greycat: you can - but, it would require one to use dd or similar and make a block file, mkfs on it, and loop mount that, etc |
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| 18:56.19 | enouf | greycat: then there's the bind mounting magic, which i'm much less familiar with |
| 18:56.20 | ewet | greycat: yes that's what i mean :) |
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| 18:57.09 | ewet | yeah okay so we'll do it the usual way. i already expected a no (google just gave me the other way around) |
| 18:57.18 | enouf | ewet: ex; http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html |
| 18:57.35 | teclo- | hi, on Debian squeeze, what package do I need for the japanese fonts ? |
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| 18:58.32 | gourdin | hi there |
| 18:58.46 | gourdin | anyone familiar with debian-live on usb sticks ? |
| 18:58.48 | enouf | ewet: the thing is, as eluded to, you might need to make sure your /boot is on it's own partition, if the raid5 contains your '/' FS |
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| 18:59.17 | enouf | gourdin: i bet #debian-live is :-) |
| 18:59.20 | enouf | !live |
| 18:59.20 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 18:59.24 | gourdin | enouf: :) |
| 18:59.36 | enouf | gourdin: notice, not this network |
| 18:59.53 | gourdin | enouf: thx :) |
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| 19:03.16 | enouf | heh, i accidentally went to www.goole.com O_o |
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| 19:03.26 | ewet | enouf: yeah, the /boot is okay and no real hassle and i got to have it anyway because of the dm-crypt stuff. and sym-linking (which i surprisingly didn't think of) will do the job pretty well. btw link is awesome ;) |
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| 19:05.55 | Texou | hi |
| 19:06.44 | Texou | do you know if Debian has a package for lenny where there're microsoft fonts (times new roman...)? or is it msttcorefonts.tar.gz? |
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| 19:07.03 | ewet | oh greycat: the general thankyou smile was missing. subsequently :) (for pointing me to the direction) |
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| 19:09.21 | greycat | Oh man, another thing that's not in lenny? |
| 19:09.21 | greycat | judd: versions msttcorefonts |
| 19:09.21 | judd | greycat: msttcorefonts -- etch/contrib: 1.8 sid/contrib: 2.6 lenny/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 2.7 |
| 19:09.21 | greycat | oh, I must not have contrib on that box |
| 19:09.21 | ewet | oh and to make that clear: with awsome link i meant the bad asshowto not that domaingrabbing shit ;) |
| 19:09.22 | themill | !msttcorefonts |
| 19:09.22 | themill | bah |
| 19:09.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msttcorefonts is a <contrib> package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). These can alternatively be downloaded manually from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ (ask me about <install font>). From lenny onwards, this package is called ttf-mscorefonts-installer. See also ... |
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| 19:10.27 | enouf | Lustra: i recall reading about apache config and using makejail, and perhaps a chroot env, it's outlined in the 'harden-doc' pkg documentation - but also check out http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianDeb0rkification?highlight=%28apache2%29%7C%28documentroot%29 |
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| 19:10.59 | themill | judd versions ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 19:11.00 | judd | themill: ttf-mscorefonts-installer -- sid/contrib: 2.6 lenny/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 3.0 squeeze/contrib: 3.0 |
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| 19:22.08 | Section58 | yey free porn :S |
| 19:22.24 | maligor | spambot? |
| 19:22.28 | Section58 | onjoin i think |
| 19:22.31 | Section58 | ^-^Samantha^-^ |
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| 19:24.19 | maligor | !ops ^-^Samantha^-^ onjoin spambot |
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| 19:24.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maligor complains about: ^-^Samantha^-^ onjoin spambot |
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| 19:26.00 | Section58 | Klined... |
| 19:26.03 | Section58 | nice |
| 19:26.31 | amgarchIn9 | on a fresh lenny install "df" shows /dev/sda1 mounted as root, but cfdisk /dev/sda shows another disk (there are two). "dmesg" output agrees more with cfdisk. What is going on? |
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| 19:27.12 | tingle | if i wanted to see how much mb's a directory is in CLI how would i do that? |
| 19:27.22 | greycat | du -s |
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| 19:27.37 | enouf | !walot |
| 19:27.38 | dpkg | from memory, walot is please at least pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions ; cat /proc/mounts ; and blkid -- If you're paranoid, no need to show correct UUIDs, alter them or something. |
| 19:27.52 | maligor | du -sh is better |
| 19:28.10 | maligor | without -h it's a pita to get your brain around it ;) |
| 19:28.10 | enouf | has to run off for a bit |
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| 19:28.21 | greycat | du -s can be combined with either -k to get parse-able output, or -h to make Linux kiddies happy. |
| 19:28.29 | maligor | heh |
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| 19:28.40 | maligor | you mean gnu kiddies |
| 19:28.40 | tingle | hehe humanreadable i quess ;x |
| 19:28.49 | amgarchIn9 | enouf: was that at me? |
| 19:28.49 | tingle | thanks |
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| 19:30.48 | maligor | amgarchIn9, I'm sure it was |
| 19:31.20 | Buck | I upgraded from etch to lenny, and I get this error when I apt-get anything: "Setting up libapache2-mod-fcgid (1:2.2-1) ... \n ERROR: Module fcgid does not exist!" --- I googled for a solution, but I could only find other people having the same problem. How can I fix it? |
| 19:31.52 | maligor | Buck, try uninstalling the package? |
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| 19:32.25 | maligor | I could take a guess it'd be caused by old configurations |
| 19:32.29 | Buck | well, that removed the error |
| 19:32.33 | LoonaTick | Hi, I'm trying to install debian lenny on a Dell PER710. It doesn't recognize my NIC (BNX2) card (or it requires firmware update), when trying to install it from virtual iDRAC6 CD-ROM (virtual USB), it doesn't see the CD-ROM device. Anyone have any suggestions? (except going to the data centre) |
| 19:32.36 | Buck | I was afraid lots of things would be dependent |
| 19:32.37 | Buck | but apparently |
| 19:32.38 | Buck | not |
| 19:32.39 | Buck | thanks |
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| 19:33.00 | Buck | :-( |
| 19:33.02 | LoonaTick | Maybe somebody knows a netinstall with more drivers or the firmware upgrade? |
| 19:33.09 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 19:33.10 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 19:33.25 | LoonaTick | Thanks! |
| 19:33.45 | maligor | Buck, triggerhappy bot, heh, if don't need fcgid you can just leave it out I guess |
| 19:33.52 | justin | LoonaTick: I just installed a 2950 using example #2 on that page |
| 19:34.14 | Buck | I didn't even know what it was, so I'm sure I'll be okay without it |
| 19:34.15 | Buck | thanks maligor |
| 19:34.31 | maligor | seems to be a alternative to mod_fastcgi |
| 19:34.35 | Buck | yeah |
| 19:34.41 | Buck | I don't use that one either |
| 19:34.53 | LoonaTick | justin: Thanks! Let me try that one |
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| 19:35.05 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 19:35.11 | Buck | dyhow |
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| 19:38.08 | yaaar | so, i told a friend of mine i'd put a new LAMP stack on his server for him (it's got some ancient stuff that's never been updated at the moment) and he brought it in and it's an opteron, which i've never worked with...is there anything special about the amd64 version i need to know? or should i just be using the regular i386 build? |
| 19:38.25 | greycat | You can use i386 on it. |
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| 19:38.38 | greycat | If you don't have any burning need to run amd64 on it, I'd just stick with i386. |
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| 19:38.58 | yaaar | won't the amd64 build be a great deal faster? |
| 19:39.56 | maligor | yaaar, no |
| 19:40.02 | ajavid | yaaar, not at all |
| 19:40.16 | maligor | amd64 is faster in some operations tho |
| 19:40.20 | LoonaTick | yaaar, how much memory is in the box? |
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| 19:40.25 | maligor | and it'll have sse optimized math by default |
| 19:40.27 | yaaar | LoonaTick: not enough to matter |
| 19:40.27 | ajavid | yaaar, a slight increase in some mundane place, other than that on the whole, not really unless you're doing specialized tasks |
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| 19:40.41 | yaaar | ok, then that's settled; i'll just use i386 |
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| 19:40.43 | yaaar | thanks |
| 19:40.47 | maligor | ssl might have better perf |
| 19:40.51 | ajavid | I have 8gb RAM, I have no choice! |
| 19:41.03 | yaaar | yeah, i'm not close to the 4GB threshold |
| 19:41.10 | ajavid | it is possible to also use amd64 kernel on 32bit userland |
| 19:41.10 | repli2dev1 | Hi, my freerunner hang up during dist-upgrade and now I am getting only "dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0007' near line 17: |
| 19:41.10 | repli2dev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.24 | yaaar | which does sort of make me wonder why he's got an opteron.... |
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| 19:41.31 | repli2dev1 | what should I do? |
| 19:41.36 | yaaar | not that this sunfire box isn't dead sexy |
| 19:41.47 | maligor | can't really think of any reason to use i386 on a amd64 capable server tho |
| 19:42.01 | maligor | mostly the issues are with luser applications |
| 19:42.02 | greycat | If he bought it lately, it's because that's what Sun sells. |
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| 19:42.20 | repli2dev1 | Is removing that file good idea? |
| 19:42.34 | yaaar | maligor: yeah? you don't think i'll have any issues? i was kind of pumped to try it out just because i hadn't ever used amd64 linux before |
| 19:42.54 | yaaar | maybe i'll take a poke at it. i can always go back to i386 if it doesn't work right |
| 19:43.12 | maligor | yaaar, only if you try to run closed source sw, exotic sw or plain old crap on it :P |
| 19:43.18 | yaaar | greycat: the model is x2100, which i think is about 3-4 years old |
| 19:43.18 | maligor | plain old crap containing adobe flash |
| 19:43.38 | greycat | I think we've got one of those. |
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| 19:43.40 | macrobat | I'd like to aptitude install a certain version of a pkg and then keep it, i can't find any options for that (in man aptitude) |
| 19:44.01 | yaaar | malignor, flash player, right? that is, apache can still serve flash no problem? |
| 19:44.01 | keith4 | "keep" it? |
| 19:44.08 | yaaar | maligor: i'm not putting X on it |
| 19:44.12 | maligor | yaaar, ofcourse |
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| 19:44.15 | keith4 | macrobat: you mean "hold" it? |
| 19:44.18 | yaaar | right just making sure |
| 19:44.23 | macrobat | keep or hold, im not sure |
| 19:44.51 | macrobat | is hold == dont upgrade in the future? |
| 19:45.27 | greycat | It's supposed to be, but it seems that "hold" is now tool-specific. |
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| 19:45.45 | greycat | So if you put things on hold using the way that USED to work for years and years and years, using dpkg, it no longer works when you upgrade things with aptitude. |
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| 19:46.02 | macrobat | ok |
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| 19:46.43 | grey_gandalf | hi all |
| 19:46.47 | LoonaTick | justin: This didn't do the trick for me, my apologies for the half information; the installer doesn't recognize the NIC at all (allthough the BIOS and lspci say it's a bnx2) - it's a brand new 5709 bnx2 chipset. |
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| 19:47.14 | grey_gandalf | I have a quite worrying problem: after updating debian on my Laptop, Xorg refuses to load the correct device and I get no X |
| 19:47.29 | macrobat | wine has a dependency libc6-i386 2.9-13 or 2.9-18, the latter breaks a lot of pkgs, so i rather have the older one |
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| 19:48.23 | grey_gandalf | I manually installed only the xorg driver I need (chips) but... when I start X -configure it tells me there are no devices to configure |
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| 19:48.56 | Ragnar | am I able to receive LENNY packages on ETCH? |
| 19:49.10 | justin | LoonaTick: oh, if you were missing the firmware the installer would say so |
| 19:49.13 | greycat | No, you need a backport. |
| 19:49.18 | grey_gandalf | some help would be very appreciated |
| 19:49.19 | greycat | !tell Ragnar about backports |
| 19:49.25 | justin | LoonaTick: maybe you need a newer kernel too |
| 19:49.36 | LoonaTick | justin: Yeah, I remember the error message from another box i installed |
| 19:49.50 | LoonaTick | justin: Is there a debian netinstall image available with a newer kernel? |
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| 19:50.04 | justin | !kmuto |
| 19:50.04 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:50.11 | LoonaTick | On http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial I only see some old 3.1 custom "unofficial" installers |
| 19:50.13 | LoonaTick | aah, thanks! |
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| 19:51.11 | amgarchIn9 | First boot after lenny install failed, had to exchange SATA cables, now 2 disks disks are named inconsistently. More info here http://debian.pastebin.com/m7629b04a Any thoughts? |
| 19:51.43 | Ragnar | greycat: uhm, ok. |
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| 19:52.45 | greycat | Ragnar: (or you could upgrade to lenny) |
| 19:52.56 | Ragnar | would probably make it alot easier. |
| 19:53.24 | Ragnar | Might consider that. |
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| 19:53.29 | Ragnar | thanks |
| 19:54.08 | grey_gandalf | can someone help me if I post the output of my Xorg log ? |
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| 19:54.11 | justin | amgarchIn9: what does /boot/grub/device.map have? |
| 19:54.20 | justin | grey_gandalf: no one can help you if you don't |
| 19:55.16 | grey_gandalf | here it is: http://debian.pastebin.com/d647a6b83 |
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| 19:55.28 | grey_gandalf | that is the output of X -configure |
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| 19:56.02 | grey_gandalf | lspci shows 00:06.0 VGA compatible controller: Chips and Technologies F65555 HiQVPro (rev c6) |
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| 19:56.49 | adb | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 19:57.30 | amgarchIn9 | justin: (hd0) /dev/sda \n (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 19:57.45 | grey_gandalf | 00:06.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Chips and Technologies F65555 HiQVPro [102c:00e5] (rev c6) |
| 19:57.52 | adb | judd: pciid 102c:00e5 |
| 19:57.54 | judd | adb: [102c:00e5] is 'F65555 HiQVPro' from 'Chips and Technologies' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=102c:00e5 |
| 19:58.04 | justin | amgarchIn9: well, that's not your problem then :-/ |
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| 19:58.13 | aarkerio | hi! |
| 19:58.22 | aarkerio | what for is .rnd file? |
| 19:58.23 | abrotman | adb: it's a graphics card .. not all of them have a kernel module |
| 19:58.35 | grey_gandalf | no known kernel module? I don't know if I need one at all? |
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| 19:59.23 | grey_gandalf | http://linux.die.net/man/4/chips doesn't mention a need for it, but that doesn't mean much of course |
| 19:59.46 | abrotman | grey_gandalf: look in /usr/share/ .. crap .. i forget |
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| 20:00.43 | grey_gandalf | heh, what should I look for ? |
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| 20:00.52 | abrotman | grey_gandalf: look in /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/ .. there's a list of files in there that hold pciids for cards they can run |
| 20:01.10 | cyclist | I'm trying to install debian-501-amd64 with qemu-system-x86_64 but it fails |
| 20:01.23 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: yes, there is a chips.ids file |
| 20:01.30 | abrotman | is your card in there? |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | with that pciid |
| 20:01.42 | cyclist | grepping google has post where somebody else has this problem |
| 20:01.42 | grey_gandalf | 102C00E5 |
| 20:01.45 | abrotman | themarght |
| 20:02.10 | amgarchIn9 | so you people think there is no point in taking amd64 builds if the memory is not above 4G? |
| 20:02.13 | grey_gandalf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.21 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: seems the same to me, doesn't it ? |
| 20:02.21 | DanDare | Hello. I have Etch instaled on /dev/hda and now i installed Lenny on /dev/hdb but did not configured grub at Lenny install time. I have the actual Etch grub installed. How to add an option to boot into Lenny? Tried yet editing menu.lst and "grub-install /dev/hda", bu without success, when trying boot into Lenny i got "Bad directory type or file". How to do it ? |
| 20:02.41 | cyclist | and Aurelien Jarno sais he knows about it now |
| 20:02.51 | abrotman | grey_gandalf: one owuld think .. |
| 20:03.06 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: so the device is thre, I have the proper driver... I don't know what is wrong |
| 20:03.23 | grey_gandalf | I uninstalled all non-related xorg drievrs to be on the safe side, so that only the one for my chipset can be choosen |
| 20:03.31 | abrotman | you're running sid on something with a CHIPS card? that can't be pretty |
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| 20:03.40 | cyclist | debian-archive-keyring fails when GPG segfaults |
| 20:03.44 | abrotman | grey_gandalf: try forcing it to be vesa |
| 20:04.17 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: why not? the chips card is even accelerated, it pretty usable on this old laptop |
| 20:04.31 | grey_gandalf | I uninstalled the vesa driver for xorg, it didn't work anyway |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | grey_gandalf: the card might be .. i doubt the driver allows for it .. |
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| 20:05.17 | grey_gandalf | it used to work with acceleration, I just needed to run it at 16bit instead of at 24bit |
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| 20:05.43 | grey_gandalf | should I reinstall the vesa driver? but it will be surely slower |
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| 20:08.08 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-chips |
| 20:08.14 | grey_gandalf | where would be the problem with sid ? |
| 20:08.24 | grey_gandalf | 2.6.30 kernel perhaps ? |
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| 20:09.07 | abrotman | just figured it would be about a Pentuim 1 machine :) |
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| 20:10.27 | Section58 | anyone into thier shorewall ? |
| 20:10.36 | ryanprior | I'm trying to build a Debian source package, and it's complaining that it can't find the header in my debian/changelog file. Is there a way I can build the package without a changelog? |
| 20:10.44 | abrotman | into ? |
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| 20:10.49 | ryanprior | the command I'm issuing to build the page is dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot |
| 20:10.57 | Section58 | i am trying to set up a simple rule. but its not working how i thought it would. i am left out something simple i think |
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| 20:11.16 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: yes a pentium-mmx laptop |
| 20:11.28 | grey_gandalf | abrotman: do you mena just performance wise, not anything blocking then |
| 20:11.36 | grey_gandalf | I run GNUstep, so it is fine |
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| 20:11.46 | greycat | I suspect the xorg/chips driver doesn't get a lot of testing these days. |
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| 20:12.06 | abrotman | or since about 2000 :) |
| 20:12.15 | abrotman | "hey it compiles, we're good to go" |
| 20:12.15 | jshipley | I'm running debian Testing. I just did an update (which I haven't done for a while), and now I am unable to launch terminator, gnome-terminal, xfce4-terminal, etc. |
| 20:12.15 | LoonaTick | justin: The new kernel netinstall package didn't recognize my NIC, but at least it recognizes the virtual CD-ROM player! I'm now installing from the virtual CD-ROM, let's hope I don't have to uuencode a new kernel driver to the machine.. |
| 20:12.37 | greycat | Well, if you found a problem with it in unstable, please file a bug report. |
| 20:12.39 | LoonaTick | (the ISO that is) |
| 20:12.43 | justin | LoonaTick: well, if the virtual cdrom works you could just mkisofs it and attach that cd:) |
| 20:12.44 | jshipley | I'm getting an error that says: |
| 20:12.45 | jshipley | Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'gnome-terminal' received an X Window System error. |
| 20:12.45 | jshipley | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 20:12.47 | jshipley | The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'. |
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| 20:13.05 | LoonaTick | justin: Oh yea ofcourse. Thanks again! |
| 20:13.50 | LoonaTick | justin: By the way, the bnx2 driver isn't even in the NIC drivers list, so I guess it's cooked into the kernel but not recognized |
| 20:14.26 | grey_gandalf | Abrotman... |
| 20:14.50 | grey_gandalf | greycat: shoudl I post a bug report? I don't knwo what is goin g wrong here |
| 20:15.23 | grey_gandalf | X11 is quite useful, as much as I love console |
| 20:15.32 | justin | LoonaTick: shouldn't be |
| 20:15.36 | greycat | grey_gandalf: couldn't hurt. |
| 20:15.40 | grey_gandalf | especially if I need to develop gui apps and test them on debian! |
| 20:15.52 | grey_gandalf | greycat: post... where to? on debian? |
| 20:15.52 | adb | grey_gandalf: you don't tell us the issue you have |
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| 20:17.48 | LoonaTick | justin: Hmm, then he forgot to compile it as a module or something. strange. |
| 20:18.20 | grey_gandalf | adb: I am unabel to start X. If I run X -configure it says it doesn't dectect any devices and returns to the prompt. The xorg log is the one I put in the pastebin |
| 20:18.27 | grey_gandalf | adb: do you want the link again ? |
| 20:18.36 | adb | grey_gandalf: custom xorg may help |
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| 20:19.18 | grey_gandalf | adb: custom... what do you mean? compiling my own? jsut a custom conf. file? |
| 20:19.45 | adb | grey_gandalf: just custom xorg.conf |
| 20:20.03 | kiran4swecha | to all: how to reconfigure xserver |
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| 20:20.36 | adb | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:20.41 | jshipley | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.54 | grey_gandalf | reconfiguring can't hurt at this point |
| 20:21.33 | grey_gandalf | maybe something during the uprgade didn't go so smooth |
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| 20:21.42 | Buck | so, I upgraded from etch to lenny, and when a certain application tries to install, I get this error: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/include-fixed/limits.h:122:61: error: limits.h: No such file or directory -- it no longer seems to exist after the upgrade. is there some command I can issue so that includes use the correct location? |
| 20:21.46 | grey_gandalf | adb: it did not ask for anything |
| 20:21.52 | anderson | toall: hi |
| 20:21.52 | grey_gandalf | wasn't there an option to reask the questions? |
| 20:22.33 | adb | that was for kiran4swecha , grey_gandalf ;) |
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| 20:22.46 | grey_gandalf | ahaha |
| 20:22.52 | grey_gandalf | adb: it could have applied to me too :) |
| 20:22.59 | adb | yes |
| 20:23.06 | grey_gandalf | anyway, tehre was a awy to have dpkg reask me the questions, I should try |
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| 20:23.29 | grey_gandalf | for example, if I startx as user, i get an error that I am not authorized to run it, so surely something is misconfigured |
| 20:23.30 | greycat | grey_gandalf: I think it used to be "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but that information is a few years old |
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| 20:23.48 | greycat | grey_gandalf: possibly also "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common" |
| 20:24.02 | grey_gandalf | greycat: you are correct, but when I do that, it jsut reruns without giving me any output |
| 20:26.10 | grey_gandalf | it should bring up the dialg where it asks me if I have an lcd screen, mouse, keyboard... |
| 20:26.10 | grey_gandalf | I did that sooo loong ago :) |
| 20:26.10 | greycat | grey_gandalf: for the "not allowed to run as a user" you could probably just edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config by hand |
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| 20:28.39 | jpinx | judd: versions last.fm |
| 20:28.39 | judd | jpinx: last.fm -- |
| 20:28.48 | jpinx | judd: versions lastfm |
| 20:28.49 | judd | jpinx: lastfm -- etch: 1.1.90-4 etch-backports: 1:1.4.1.57486.dfsg-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-1 squeeze: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-1+b1 sid: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-2 |
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| 20:29.33 | grey_gandalf | darn, something so stupid |
| 20:30.05 | grey_gandalf | what is the lowest debconf priorty value I can set? low? minimal? |
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| 20:30.12 | jpinx | judd: versions vlc |
| 20:30.12 | judd | jpinx: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.9.9a-3 squeeze: 0.9.9a-3 experimental: 1.0.0~rc2-1 |
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| 20:30.20 | grey_gandalf | it doesn't reask me any questions for xserver-xorg |
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| 20:31.23 | adb | now a days xorg is an automatic process |
| 20:32.10 | tutmann | Hi Guys! How can I apt-get and co. prevent from upgrading my linux-kernel while upgrading the system? I just don't get how apt-pinning works for meta-packages.... |
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| 20:32.49 | jleedev | i use aptitude hold |
| 20:33.12 | dondelelcaro | tutmann: you almost always want it to upgrade minor versions, and it won't remove major versions |
| 20:33.24 | dondelelcaro | tutmann: you just change your grub configuration to not boot off of the new kernel |
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| 20:34.40 | tutmann | dondelecaro: will apt be aware of my boot setting and not change it? how can I prevent the download, when I don't need it? |
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| 20:34.51 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 20:37.08 | yaaar | is there any reason not to stripe my swap space? |
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| 20:39.21 | dondelelcaro | tutmann: apt doesn't change your boot setting. update-grub does. |
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| 20:40.23 | jleedev | check out /etc/kernel-img.conf for its settings |
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| 20:42.02 | rednammoc | Hi guys. Does anyone knows how to encrypt an partition without formatting it ? |
| 20:43.13 | JPT | encrypt?Oo |
| 20:43.20 | JPT | oh... |
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| 20:44.15 | JPT | i don't know, but it should be possible without formatting it... but still you'd need to backup your data for possible problems ;) |
| 20:44.23 | joltcan | rednammoc: look at encfs |
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| 20:44.55 | rednammoc | thx a lot |
| 20:45.22 | tp43 | who wants to here something funny? Anyway, this is how I sleep and lock my fluxbox. #sleep 10; echo shutdown > /sys/power/disk; echo disk > /sys/power/state; and then in another terminal I do $xtrlock |
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| 20:47.01 | eshaase | my system crashed and is no longer accessible, upon rebooting it, is there any way to troubleshoot why the system crashed? |
| 20:47.20 | tp43 | eshaase, what does it say? |
| 20:47.21 | tutmann | dondelelcaro: will update-grub adjust my menu.lst? Especially: Will ist adjust the setting: default? |
| 20:47.38 | tp43 | eshaase, I have never had that happen to me. I busted my kernel, but it still booted up |
| 20:47.40 | eshaase | tp43: doesn't say anything, my screen is blank and won't wake up |
| 20:47.54 | tp43 | eshaase, press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:48.00 | eshaase | tp43: the system boots fine |
| 20:48.11 | eshaase | tp43: just trying to investigate why it crashed prior |
| 20:48.17 | greycat | tutmann: depends on what you have in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 20:48.18 | tp43 | eshaase, dmesg will tell you maybe |
| 20:48.37 | greycat | tutmann: if you have postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub for example, then yes, it'll update. |
| 20:50.10 | grey_gandalf | can someone explain me why at a certain point my eth0 disappeared and now I need to configure and enable eth1? |
| 20:50.18 | grey_gandalf | dmesg still gives eth0 as existing |
| 20:50.21 | tutmann | greycat: so if I booted not the recent kernel, but kernel X before upgrading, I'll boot the same kernel X after upgrading as well? |
| 20:50.42 | grey_gandalf | but ifconfig eth0 says the devise is not found |
| 20:51.10 | greycat | tutmann: no, /etc/kernel-img.conf controls whether installing a new kernel package causes update-grub to be run |
| 20:51.11 | jleedev | grey_gandalf: probably /etc/udev/ can tell you |
| 20:51.32 | greycat | tutmann: if update-grub is run, then it will rewrite the middle section of your menu.lst file |
| 20:51.37 | enouf | amgarchIn9: play with your BIOS boot order and perhaps update-initramfs after you're sure /boot/grub/menu.lst, and /etc/fstab all have correct entries - and even insure your SATA cables are connected to the controller you think they are |
| 20:52.24 | grey_gandalf | jleedev: what should I look for in there? udev is not something I tinker with normally |
| 20:52.32 | tp43 | I use fluxbox for flash, cause youtube doesn't play so well in gnome |
| 20:52.40 | enouf | tutmann: and naturally, as greycat is mentioning, menu.lst can be tunable to only alter settings you wish altered when update-grub is run |
| 20:53.07 | jleedev | grey_gandalf: 70-persistent-net.rules has a rule for my ethernet card |
| 20:53.23 | enouf | tutmann: this all presumes you're using grub1 ;-) |
| 20:54.09 | tp43 | grey_gandalf, I just reinstalled when something let that happenned to me. I played with framebuffer for some splashy screen when I suspend and hibernate, and then there was hal and dbus and other problems, I could spent a day or year trying to fix, or a few mins re-install. |
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| 20:54.24 | enouf | grey_gandalf: /msg dpkg 70 (as jleedev is mentioning) |
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| 20:54.41 | grey_gandalf | yes, it contains rules. I don't understand them but both eth0 and eth1 are thre |
| 20:54.46 | grey_gandalf | is there a command to reconfigrue that? |
| 20:54.50 | jleedev | i think you can delete it |
| 20:55.02 | enouf | you read what dpkg tells you to do |
| 20:55.12 | enouf | well .. what it mentions you could do |
| 20:55.44 | jleedev | ah, dpkg really knows everything |
| 20:55.48 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net is another easy way to list avail ifaces |
| 20:55.52 | grey_gandalf | it contains this |
| 20:55.55 | grey_gandalf | http://debian.pastebin.com/m741b0e40 |
| 20:56.03 | tutmann | sorry: I still don't get it. assume my menu.lst says: default 7 |
| 20:56.04 | tutmann | now I upgrade, install a new kernel and kernel-img.conf says to run update-grub. Will then menu.lst say: default 9 (because the new kernel and the recovery are in front of the rest now)? |
| 20:56.10 | grey_gandalf | enouf: how do I know what dpkg wants me to do with udev? |
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| 20:58.14 | enouf | grey_gandalf: are you trying to get rid of the iface named eth0? |
| 20:58.31 | grey_gandalf | no, I do not want eth1 |
| 20:58.41 | grey_gandalf | I have only one ethernet card... it was always configured as eth0 |
| 20:58.56 | grey_gandalf | at one point after an apt-get upgrade... I had no more eth0 and had an eth1 |
| 20:59.07 | enouf | grey_gandalf: the file is editable, by hand, just comment out the lines that reference eth0 and make sure the relevant modules aren't loading at boot |
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| 20:59.50 | grey_gandalf | i _want_ eth0 :) so modules should load :) |
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| 21:00.03 | grey_gandalf | I comment all out and reboot :) |
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| 21:00.42 | karsten | Is there a way to query user name given UID? |
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| 21:01.06 | karsten | Eg: UID = 0 => root |
| 21:01.27 | jleedev | $ getent passwd 0 |
| 21:01.39 | tutmann | enouf: orry: I still don't get it. assume my menu.lst says: default 7 - now I upgrade, install a new kernel and kernel-img.conf says to run update-grub. Will then menu.lst say: default 9 (because the new kernel and the recovery are in front of the rest now)? |
| 21:02.28 | enouf | grey_gandalf: so - which MAC is to which iface? |
| 21:03.06 | enouf | grey_gandalf: if something in that file is incorrect - edit it so it is - When one installs, that udev info gets stored in your initrd |
| 21:03.24 | enouf | so, it knew eth0 was already occupado .. |
| 21:04.15 | grey_gandalf | I just commented all otu, let's see what happens |
| 21:04.22 | grey_gandalf | what is this probing edd ??? |
| 21:05.37 | enouf | tutmann: no, well .. hrm, you likely want to see the "# alternative=true" and perhaps "# updatedefaultentry=false" .. i personally loathe dicking around with those things, but there is a method to it's madness |
| 21:05.53 | enouf | read the manual - see /usr/share/doc/grub* |
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| 21:07.56 | enouf | tutmann: BTW, note that the leading # is NOT a commented line, within that block; ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST and ## ## End Default Options ## |
| 21:08.22 | tutmann | enouf: thank you |
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| 21:09.39 | grey_gandalf | enouf: ok, commenting out did not help :) |
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| 21:10.37 | enouf | grey_gandalf: pastebin output of /sbin/ifconfig -a and lspci -nnk |
| 21:10.54 | grey_gandalf | look, it is clear, but how can I avoid it? |
| 21:10.56 | grey_gandalf | in dmesg I find |
| 21:10.57 | grey_gandalf | [ 12.917001] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd800, 00:40:f4:7c:a8:55, IRQ 11 |
| 21:10.59 | grey_gandalf | and then... |
| 21:11.06 | grey_gandalf | [ 16.663459] udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 21:11.20 | enouf | grey_gandalf: see this in your paste? NAME="eth1" ? |
| 21:11.49 | grey_gandalf | yes, on both lines |
| 21:11.50 | enouf | edit that to say eth0 instead and comment out this line; SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:40:f4:7c:a8:55", NAME="eth0" |
| 21:12.14 | enouf | grey_gandalf: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 21:12.42 | grey_gandalf | ok |
| 21:12.45 | enouf | reboot, and pray - OH before you do.. 'pgrep udevd' says? |
| 21:12.46 | grey_gandalf | hmm, I see, I have 3 lines |
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| 21:12.49 | enouf | grey_gandalf: ^^^^ |
| 21:12.50 | grey_gandalf | I think the latter two are bogus |
| 21:13.04 | grey_gandalf | since they all have the same mac address |
| 21:13.11 | grey_gandalf | but thelatter two khave "kernel" and "name" |
| 21:13.14 | enouf | BTW is that a forcedeth chipset? O_o |
| 21:13.20 | enouf | !forcedeth |
| 21:13.20 | dpkg | methinks forcedeth is the open-source nVidia Ethernet driver, for nForce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 and later kernels. Ask me about <forcedeth mac>. See also <mcp67>, <rtl8211c>. |
| 21:13.28 | enouf | !forcedeth mac |
| 21:13.28 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 21:13.44 | grey_gandalf | what's that ??? |
| 21:13.54 | grey_gandalf | it is a realtek |
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| 21:14.16 | enouf | grey_gandalf: just do what i mentioned - realtek is not a motherboard chipset - don't worry |
| 21:14.33 | enouf | (though it is nvidia :-p) |
| 21:14.44 | enouf | erm .. nvidia is, i meant |
| 21:15.21 | grey_gandalf | ok :) |
| 21:16.02 | enouf | grey_gandalf: yes, ACTION=="add" and KERNEL=="eth*" are both missing from what you originally showed for eth0 line here http://debian.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m741b0e40 |
| 21:16.38 | enouf | ATTR{address}=="00:40:f4:7c:a8:55" is the same on all - and also missing was this ATTR{type}=="1" |
| 21:16.51 | grey_gandalf | enouf: I just left that line, commented the rest and cross my fingers :) |
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| 21:18.05 | enouf | grey_gandalf: grep -v '#' /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf | xargs |
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| 21:19.32 | enouf | i love the 'sparse selective reply' methodology .. not!@ |
| 21:19.41 | grey_gandalf | MODULES=most BUSYBOX=y KEYMAP=n BOOT=local DEVICE=eth0 NFSROOT=auto |
| 21:19.58 | enouf | that's ok then |
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| 21:21.12 | enouf | needs to brush up on how to use udevadm, instead of udevinfo, udevmonitor, udevcontrol, etc .. ugh |
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| 21:22.05 | \amethyst | enouf: afaik udevmonitor became udevadm monitor, udevcontrol became udevadm control, etc |
| 21:24.38 | enouf | \amethyst: sounds like a logical plan! |
| 21:24.40 | enouf | finally :-p |
| 21:24.40 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 21:24.54 | \amethyst | enouf: and things like udevcontrol log-priority became udevadm control --log-priority |
| 21:25.02 | grey_gandalf | fine, ethernet problem fixed! |
| 21:25.13 | grey_gandalf | Is still want X back on my laptop... |
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| 21:25.31 | enouf | \amethyst: and ... so .. udevcontrol reload_rules becomes udevadm control reload_rules ? |
| 21:25.53 | enouf | !congratulate grey_gandalf |
| 21:25.53 | dpkg | Yay grey_gandalf, you did it! |
| 21:26.15 | enouf | er.. |
| 21:26.23 | \amethyst | enouf: --reload-rules, to be consistent with GNU option style |
| 21:26.26 | enouf | \amethyst: and ... so .. udevcontrol reload_rules becomes udevadm control --reload-rules ? |
| 21:26.29 | enouf | heh |
| 21:26.29 | grey_gandalf | but for Xorg and my stupid chipset, you have no more adivces |
| 21:26.37 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks again ;-) |
| 21:26.38 | tp43 | already so who can save me from this command: #sleep 10; echo shutdown > /sys/power/disk; echo disk > /sys/power/state; and then in another terminal I do $xtrlock |
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| 21:27.11 | enouf | grey_gandalf: can you explain WTF you are talking about with your Xorg issue? ;-) |
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| 21:28.57 | rhys | anyone happen to know how to make the kernel update its device map? |
| 21:29.11 | enouf | rhys: what device map? |
| 21:29.14 | grey_gandalf | enouf: I have a chips and technogies videocard on my laptop. If I try to start X I get the error here |
| 21:29.21 | rhys | I added a partition to a device, and I want to force it to re-read the partition map of the block device |
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| 21:29.32 | enouf | rhys: /dev is populated via udev every boot - it's a VFS in a sense |
| 21:29.43 | rhys | reload udev then? |
| 21:29.51 | JyZyXEL | can anyone figure out better word for "a window" |
| 21:29.54 | enouf | rhys: if '/' partition is on same disk - no go |
| 21:29.59 | grey_gandalf | enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/d647a6b83 |
| 21:30.13 | enouf | rhys: one way, yes - if '/' is not on same disk |
| 21:30.14 | rhys | enouf, /boot is there, not / |
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| 21:30.26 | enouf | rhys: otherwise there's scsi-rescan.sh and such tools |
| 21:30.44 | rhys | hmm |
| 21:30.48 | grey_gandalf | wow, if you startx, the screen goes black, cursor upper left doesn't blink |
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| 21:31.06 | enouf | rhys: at worst, you could try /sbin/MAKEDEV and perhaps stop/start udev - but |
| 21:31.15 | grey_gandalf | no keyboard activity, no ping and the caps-lock led blinks intermittently... I think something f*d up pretty badly, didn't it? |
| 21:31.15 | enouf | grey_gandalf: one moment |
| 21:31.30 | grey_gandalf | not even ctrl-alt-del |
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| 21:31.36 | rhys | enouf, restarting udev doesnt work. a reboot isn't that big of a deal, I was just curious why it didn't show up. Thanks. |
| 21:31.56 | rhys | I ask alot of questions for when I might need to do this in a production server |
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| 21:34.44 | enouf | grey_gandalf: possible that the XServer Version and the modules are mismatched - "uname -r" says for starters? |
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| 21:34.59 | enouf | X.Org X Server 1.6.1.901 (1.6.2 RC 1) |
| 21:35.08 | enouf | (II) Module chips: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 1.2.1 |
| 21:35.24 | grey_gandalf | multix@rhun:/etc/X11$ uname -a |
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| 21:35.26 | grey_gandalf | Linux rhun 2.6.30-1-486 #1 Sun Jun 14 14:58:08 UTC 2009 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 21:35.31 | enouf | grey_gandalf: run update-pciids as root and pastebin lspci -nnk please |
| 21:35.38 | grey_gandalf | ok |
| 21:35.56 | grey_gandalf | 1 minute, I needed to hard reboot and fsck is running |
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| 21:36.14 | adb | enouf: pciid 102c:00e5 |
| 21:36.16 | enouf | grey_gandalf: also, consider upgrading, and upgrading to a -686 kernel -- ya know you could use the vesa_drv.so always instead of the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//chips_drv.so |
| 21:36.32 | enouf | adb: it's in the paste? |
| 21:36.39 | grey_gandalf | enouf: 686 kernel on a pentium-mmx ? I don't think it is a good idea |
| 21:36.44 | enouf | adb: i searched for '[' heh |
| 21:36.52 | grey_gandalf | there are no more 486 kernels, so I run 486 |
| 21:37.03 | grey_gandalf | there are no more 586 kernels I mean |
| 21:37.17 | enouf | grey_gandalf: CPU is? |
| 21:37.26 | grey_gandalf | pentium mmx |
| 21:37.26 | enouf | grey_gandalf: amount of RAM is? |
| 21:37.28 | adb | mmx 233 |
| 21:37.30 | enouf | ... |
| 21:37.34 | grey_gandalf | 96M |
| 21:37.38 | enouf | you want the -486 then |
| 21:37.49 | grey_gandalf | there used to be 586 kernels |
| 21:37.53 | enouf | no prob - try vesa though then |
| 21:38.17 | enouf | X -configure and modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:38.30 | docsnuggles | Hello! I'm looking for a program to transform rss-feeds to html on console. Any hints? |
| 21:39.03 | enouf | look into getting the Versions as i mentioned all the same ... too .. i know it _can_ be an issue - is your system up-to-date with upgrades concerning Xorg? |
| 21:39.10 | grey_gandalf | enouf: do you think the chips driver would need a new package ? |
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| 21:39.16 | grey_gandalf | I would file a bug report them |
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| 21:39.46 | grey_gandalf | enouf: I did aptitute update and then makred all upgradeable packages for update |
| 21:40.04 | grey_gandalf | let's try with old and trusted apt-get update + apt-get upgrade |
| 21:40.10 | enouf | grey_gandalf: for this issue, maybe #debian-x on irc.oftc.net/irc.debian.org might be useful - or their mailing list |
| 21:40.35 | enouf | grey_gandalf: wait - do something for me - cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 21:40.51 | grey_gandalf | I'm rebooting, then I give you all info that you want |
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| 21:41.17 | enouf | grey_gandalf: then -- add vga=791 to your kernel cmdline - so the kernel vesa module loads at boot and occupies PCI Device Address space |
| 21:41.25 | enouf | ok |
| 21:41.53 | enouf | grey_gandalf: note, the kernel vesa.ko is not the Xorg {u}vesa_drv.so |
| 21:41.57 | grey_gandalf | do you think the chips driver needs the vesa in the kernel ? |
| 21:42.03 | enouf | er uvesafb_drv.so |
| 21:42.18 | grey_gandalf | I already should have a vga line in lilo |
| 21:42.23 | enouf | grey_gandalf: note, the kernel uvesafb.ko is not the Xorg {u}vesafb_drv.so .. there! |
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| 21:42.35 | grey_gandalf | why is it fsck'ing my disk again? stupid shitty box |
| 21:42.45 | enouf | grey_gandalf: pastebin your dmesg and Xorg log |
| 21:43.09 | enouf | grey_gandalf: i could send you a p2 system perhaps... heh |
| 21:43.20 | grey_gandalf | this is a laptop |
| 21:43.24 | enouf | grey_gandalf: is that thing AT, not ATX? ;-) |
| 21:43.40 | grey_gandalf | I don't think an AT motherboard would fit. Maybe with a chainsaw |
| 21:44.00 | grey_gandalf | I already have a pretty good PII system, the one with the ethernt card |
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| 21:44.28 | enouf | grey_gandalf: my p159 is a BabyAT ;-) whopping 32M RAM |
| 21:44.30 | grey_gandalf | but well... it has like 3 hard disk, cdrom. cd-r scsi (do you remember ultraplex and plexwriters?) |
| 21:44.34 | enouf | er 150* |
| 21:44.37 | grey_gandalf | firewire... etc etc |
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| 21:45.06 | enouf | sure |
| 21:45.22 | grey_gandalf | they are still the best :) |
| 21:45.26 | enouf | haha |
| 21:45.35 | grey_gandalf | but well, the system is a SIEMENS and it is heavy to lift. |
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| 21:45.56 | grey_gandalf | the laptop is more convenient to put in your backpack and drive around with motorbike |
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| 21:47.36 | enouf | grey_gandalf: i threw a 80G HDD into my p150, but had to jumper it down to 32GB :-P |
| 21:47.37 | grey_gandalf | enouf: I have a problem: it fsck's my disk |
| 21:47.39 | grey_gandalf | I reboot |
| 21:47.42 | grey_gandalf | it fsck's it again |
| 21:47.44 | grey_gandalf | i reboot... |
| 21:48.01 | enouf | hehe - i have a working 1.2G HDD if you need it :-p |
| 21:48.08 | adb | grey_gandalf: change battery on mobo , and/or fix date in BIOS < ' why is it fsck'ing my disk again?' |
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| 21:48.24 | grey_gandalf | enouf: ah, yes I remember that. I had a very nice PII that had that problem |
| 21:48.25 | enouf | adb: good call .. |
| 21:48.37 | grey_gandalf | adb: the date is correct and it doesn't say "xxx days passed" but "file ssytem with errors" |
| 21:49.01 | adb | file ssytem with errors > means hdd is bad ... |
| 21:49.10 | enouf | grey_gandalf: my pII BIOS only sees up to 65,536MB, but the kernel sees and uses all 80,000 on the other 80G from a pair i bought |
| 21:49.37 | grey_gandalf | enouf: be careful neever to install the kernel in a place where the bios doesn't see it |
| 21:49.39 | grey_gandalf | :) |
| 21:49.59 | enouf | too funny man |
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| 21:50.41 | enouf | grey_gandalf: LiLo also operates diff than grub as far as occupying certain specific blocks, but oh well - if you're happy with it .. i just don't know if that could be an issue |
| 21:50.46 | grey_gandalf | darn, the last X error seems to have been fatal. after the hard-locking my comptuer did not recover :( |
| 21:51.08 | grey_gandalf | 1.2GB is not enough for debian anymore. 2GB minimum for X |
| 21:51.32 | grey_gandalf | I don't think I have a spare HDD |
| 21:51.44 | grey_gandalf | brr 2.6.30 kernel spits out dm timeout requests... |
| 21:51.45 | pipeline | wow, 2G ? |
| 21:51.50 | maligor | there's emdebian :P |
| 21:51.52 | pipeline | I thought debian was more like 300M |
| 21:52.00 | Zharf | grey_gandalf, what? |
| 21:52.00 | azeem | pipeline: 2 GB for the default desktop |
| 21:52.04 | grey_gandalf | pipeline: at 2.2 times yes |
| 21:52.11 | pipeline | ohhh |
| 21:52.15 | pipeline | 2GB for every imaginable item plus kitchen sink |
| 21:52.20 | grey_gandalf | well, I need some stuff installed and gcc and such |
| 21:52.44 | Zharf | my debian installation takes around 700MB at the time |
| 21:52.59 | pipeline | the netinst disc is still only 180M |
| 21:53.08 | pipeline | so debian's base install can't be a whole lot more than 300M or so |
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| 21:53.28 | Zharf | pipeline, it's called netinst for a reason :) |
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| 21:54.15 | maligor | my root is 29GB but it probably has Other Stuff Left Over From Something :P |
| 21:54.24 | maligor | I should clean it up sometime |
| 21:54.27 | adb | a debirf rescue image is ~ 50MB |
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| 21:54.37 | enouf | grey_gandalf: if the HDD ran out of good free blocks .. it's time to replace it |
| 21:54.48 | enouf | grey_gandalf: dm? as in device mapper? |
| 21:54.49 | maligor | enouf, that's my tactic too :P |
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| 21:55.08 | grey_gandalf | no, dma sorry |
| 21:55.39 | enouf | ok |
| 21:55.54 | grey_gandalf | dma timeut error { DriveRead SeekComplete DataRequest ] |
| 21:55.56 | grey_gandalf | DMA disabled |
| 21:56.02 | grey_gandalf | sounds scary |
| 21:56.05 | themill | Zharf: the netinstall can complete the installation without a network connection; the business card image requires network access. |
| 21:56.08 | grey_gandalf | and no wonder it gets slow eithout DMA |
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| 21:56.25 | grey_gandalf | I have a prompt! wow |
| 21:56.42 | enouf | md mode :-p |
| 21:56.49 | grey_gandalf | md ? |
| 21:56.52 | Zharf | themill, aha |
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| 21:57.19 | enouf | er pio likely |
| 21:57.31 | enouf | i meant mdmaX |
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| 21:57.52 | enouf | hdparm -i /dev/hdX |
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| 21:58.15 | grey_gandalf | enouf: now I frgot all the stuff you wanted to know |
| 21:58.16 | enouf | it means multi, rather than ultra |
| 21:58.32 | enouf | grey_gandalf: i don't want to know anything anymore ;-P |
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| 21:58.45 | enouf | multiword, in fact |
| 21:58.57 | grey_gandalf | about the Xorg thing |
| 21:59.07 | grey_gandalf | oh yes, first was VGA in lilo.conf |
| 21:59.25 | enouf | grey_gandalf: if you really care, /lastlog enouf :-P |
| 21:59.36 | grey_gandalf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.37 | grey_gandalf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.39 | grey_gandalf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.41 | enouf | watches the flood hail upon grey_gandalf |
| 21:59.50 | grey_gandalf | 3 lines is not flood |
| 21:59.53 | grey_gandalf | 5 are I think |
| 21:59.56 | enouf | welp, udma2 then |
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| 22:00.20 | grey_gandalf | enouf: yeah, what is wrong with udma2 ? |
| 22:00.26 | grey_gandalf | I guess those are th modes supported by my drive? |
| 22:00.39 | enouf | grey_gandalf: do you really think i knew you were going to do that AFTER i mentioned it? i was talking about how much text would flood your irc client should you do /lastlog enouf :-) |
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| 22:00.52 | enouf | nothing - udma2 is normal for a p2 |
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| 22:01.01 | enouf | erm |
| 22:01.11 | enouf | which friggin system are we on here? |
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| 22:01.38 | enouf | gives up, wanders off, has a few stiff drinks and goes to sit on a warm rock in the sun ... |
| 22:02.08 | grey_gandalf | pentium MMX |
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| 22:02.48 | grey_gandalf | CPU: Intel Pentium MMX stepping 03 |
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| 22:02.57 | grey_gandalf | wow. O have the F0 0F bug :) |
| 22:03.40 | grey_gandalf | enouf: eons ago I put vga=0x313 in my lilo conf |
| 22:03.49 | grey_gandalf | is that good enoug for you ? |
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| 22:04.15 | enouf | does /proc/iomem show it occupying space? and how about VESA in dmesg? |
| 22:04.40 | enouf | grey_gandalf: if they both do - then perhaps remove the vga= option .. as a test |
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| 22:04.55 | enouf | and leave me be .. on my warm rock |
| 22:05.31 | grey_gandalf | http://debian.pastebin.com/m1b86c967 |
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| 22:06.00 | grey_gandalf | pc. Why pc. on my sun things worked out of the box :) |
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| 22:08.16 | grey_gandalf | enouf: so I should disable vga ? |
| 22:08.22 | grey_gandalf | let's try |
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| 22:10.51 | enouf | if anyone wants to try and get/stay current with Linux FSs that use JBD (journals) checkout http://lwn.net/Articles/326471/ |
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| 22:15.22 | grey_gandalf | enouf: you surely made my console terribly ugly :) |
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| 22:24.00 | AMcBain | I'm back! :-7 Still doing setup. I have a question of sorts. I have (currently) 3 accounts on my server: root, asmcbain, hryba. Both non-root accounts I want to be able to host websites, and do FTP (but not atm), etc. So do I need to install an http-server for both accounts, or is there some (non-root please!) way to have one run for both? I'm going into uncharted waters in my Linux experience here :P |
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| 22:25.56 | grey_gandalf | enouf: apt-get upgrade says a new xserver-xorg-core is there... I await full of trepidancy |
| 22:26.00 | grey_gandalf | (with little hope ctually) |
| 22:26.09 | enouf | grey_gandalf: carry on |
| 22:26.21 | grey_gandalf | buy you asked me to check if everything was consistent |
| 22:26.33 | enouf | grey_gandalf: and fix your ugly console - atleast i don't have to explain to you how to do that |
| 22:26.35 | grey_gandalf | well, you say my module is too old, n ow I upgrade xorg, it can only get worse :) |
| 22:26.45 | grey_gandalf | nah, I just put a # in front :) |
| 22:26.59 | enouf | grey_gandalf: you still have yet to try the Xorg vesa driver over the chips one |
| 22:27.01 | grey_gandalf | some of this stuff was configured eons ago |
| 22:27.15 | grey_gandalf | ok. I need to isntall it |
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| 22:28.39 | enouf | AMcBain: you probably want to look into using vsftpd and see debian-administration.org and search and wiki.debian.org |
| 22:29.12 | enouf | AMcBain: lighttpd comes to mind, but maybe apache is better for your neeeds, i don;t know |
| 22:29.50 | maveas | Is there a shorter version of rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty? |
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| 22:30.02 | AMcBain | enouf: well, I know the names of both of those. I'll eventually be installing other programs to work with it, such as PHP (non-CGI) and a Java Application Server (one that's probably not Tomcat) |
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| 22:30.38 | grey_gandalf | rm -rf |
| 22:30.49 | nsadmin | maveas (bet you knew this was coming) man rm |
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| 22:31.13 | grey_gandalf | I was able to wipe a whole HP-UX system with rm -rf while it was up |
| 22:31.20 | grey_gandalf | a very powerful command when run as root |
| 22:31.27 | maveas | nsadmin: oh |
| 22:31.36 | grey_gandalf | and when your serial console made an escape character not appear so i actually had a space in the command |
| 22:31.37 | maveas | damm |
| 22:31.38 | grey_gandalf | :) |
| 22:31.50 | nsadmin | it would actually be in your interest to read that |
| 22:31.54 | nsadmin | wouldn't you say? |
| 22:32.15 | maveas | ofc.. :) |
| 22:32.27 | enouf | AMcBain: you might get more general help about those in ##linux |
| 22:32.50 | nsadmin | especially since a missing space or an extra space could mean the difference between doing what you wanted and removing everything you'd have permission to remove |
| 22:33.00 | AMcBain | enouf: I suppose. I'm just looking for help on where to install them ... and such, I guess. |
| 22:33.30 | tgeff | hi, I'll be installing from debiantestingdvd1 in a few hours -- I'm thinking to get dvddisc2 as well, since I just tend to get and use a lot of things :) is the dvddisc2 to be used at installation, or does it only hold packages that I can install later on with apt-get? |
| 22:33.44 | enouf | AMcBain: httpd.apache.org has some Debian specific info about using php with it - but do NOT forget /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> atleast and the man pages and those sites i mentioned |
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| 22:36.03 | AMcBain | tries ##linux to get his "overview" information he's looking for, once he has that, he can worry about actually setting it up. |
| 22:36.13 | enouf | nsadmin: extra spaces are not nearly as lethal in borking commands as missing ones are, IME |
| 22:36.28 | tgeff | :s I hope my question wasn't stupid |
| 22:36.52 | enouf | tgeff: you only need netinstall from the getgo |
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| 22:37.20 | enouf | tgeff: so long as you have a working, semi-fast internet conn, preferably wired |
| 22:37.43 | enouf | !netinstall |
| 22:37.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
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| 22:38.51 | tgeff | enouf, I'm on wifi - anyway, doesn't it make more sense to just install with the dvd? and make things easier and faster? why would you suggest otherwise? |
| 22:39.02 | enouf | tgeff: if you only have wifi net, you might need help from what "/msg dpkg installer firmware" (do that in your irc client,no quotes) can tell you |
| 22:39.33 | enouf | tgeff: if you want to help pay for bandwidth hosting, it's not an issue ;-) try torrents? |
| 22:40.03 | enouf | has to run out again .. that warm rock is getting lonely |
| 22:40.07 | tgeff | it's already downloaded and burned on a disc :) I promise I'll donate whatever I can within the next few months |
| 22:40.24 | enouf | tgeff: ok then -- carry on ;0 |
| 22:40.43 | tgeff | in that case, can you answer my first question in light of this? |
| 22:40.44 | enouf | tgeff: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 22:41.03 | dustybin | anybody here use debian terminal only? |
| 22:41.19 | dustybin | can elinks view websites using images by using fb |
| 22:41.31 | AMcBain | sure. how else would you use it? ;) command lines rock! :P |
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| 22:42.14 | suwro | hello |
| 22:42.19 | grey_gandalf | enouf: if I but "nodma" in my kernel commandline i still get dma errors... |
| 22:42.26 | grey_gandalf | that's weirtd, eh? :) |
| 22:42.28 | enouf | tgeff: you can do whatever you like - DVD2 is very likely to have much software you don';t want/need - not to mention, even some of the Stable versions of software on it might need to be updated - so an apt-get upgrade would be in order anyway (Security fixes mostly) |
| 22:43.07 | tgeff | fair enough, I'll just get rolling with debiantestingdvd1 that I've downloaded - thanks for your time enouf :) |
| 22:43.24 | enouf | grey_gandalf: yeah - gotta run though -- too bad the recent kernels did away with the ide= options |
| 22:43.36 | grey_gandalf | ah |
| 22:43.43 | grey_gandalf | enouf: don't run, I extra installed vesa module |
| 22:43.44 | enouf | tgeff: no worries ;-) welcome to Debian |
| 22:43.45 | grey_gandalf | and rebooted |
| 22:43.49 | suwro | I have to upload some files on a remote ftp - using cron - what tool to use to put ftp file? I have to log myself in, ftp server does not allow anonymous connections |
| 22:43.56 | grey_gandalf | xorg-vesa |
| 22:44.06 | grey_gandalf | i remvoed my xorf.conf... so it should do everything autodetect |
| 22:44.07 | tgeff | hehe, thanks. Well, here I go -- wish me luck :) bye |
| 22:45.26 | grey_gandalf | enouf: works! you don't want to know how solid-window dragging looks like with a vesa driver... |
| 22:45.53 | dkr | suwro: ncftpput |
| 22:46.45 | suwro | dkr: i'll go read it's manual - thank you |
| 22:46.57 | dkr | suwro: the package is ncftp |
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| 22:47.06 | dkr | suwro: I think it's just -u and -p to suplpy user/pass |
| 22:47.31 | suwro | dkr: aha, ok, thank you |
| 22:48.58 | grey_gandalf | enouf: thanks for all the support. with the vesa driver I can work |
| 22:50.42 | grey_gandalf | enouf: still, I opened a bug about the chips driver. i want acceleration back |
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| 23:06.01 | deever | is there an easy way to build dpkg/apt from source on a non-debian system? |
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| 23:06.41 | Eternal_Sin | hi |
| 23:06.54 | deever | Eternal_Sin: hi |
| 23:07.20 | deever | Eternal_Sin: do you know if there is an easy way to build dpkg/apt from source on a non-debian system? |
| 23:07.24 | deever | ;) |
| 23:07.25 | adb | deever: yes |
| 23:07.35 | Eternal_Sin | no xD |
| 23:07.41 | deever | adb: ah! :) |
| 23:10.22 | deever | adb: do you have some links? |
| 23:12.03 | adb | deever: just install debian on that hardware http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 23:18.02 | collin | I've been using aptitude exclusively on this system. Is there any harm to firing up apt-get for an apt-get build-dep? Or do apt-get and aptitude play nice? |
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| 23:18.28 | deever | adb: no no, i was rather asking if there is an easy way to build dpkg/apt from source on a non-debian system... |
| 23:18.35 | deever | adb: do you know one? |
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| 23:19.45 | beardy | collin: When used for build-dep they do, and it's also necessary as aptitude doesn't do build-dep yet. |
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| 23:19.50 | themill | collin: there should be no worries doing that, although as of lenny, aptitude understand build-dep too |
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| 23:19.59 | beardy | Or well.. |
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| 23:20.12 | collin | themill: really?! That would be nice, I missed it. |
| 23:20.22 | beardy | One of the things in the build process it doesn't anyway afaik. |
| 23:20.31 | collin | beardy: thanks, I shall proceed then |
| 23:20.35 | beardy | If themill says so. |
| 23:21.57 | beardy | I probably thought if the -b flag. |
| 23:21.58 | Qew | aptitude does build-dep fine. It's things like aptitude source it can't yet do. |
| 23:22.08 | beardy | Yes. |
| 23:22.29 | collin | Is there a plan to add those, or is it waiting for interest? |
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| 23:23.46 | beardy | collin: I don't know, hopefully. |
| 23:23.48 | Qew | build-dep works, but source is a won't fix, I think. It's been asked for, but I don't think the author cares. That's at least how I read it a while ago... might have changed. |
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| 23:24.22 | collin | too bad, damn useful sometimes |
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| 23:24.48 | Qew | apt-get source just pulls the package... it's not a dependency thing, so it's not an issue to use apt-get for it. |
| 23:24.54 | Qew | *package source |
| 23:24.54 | beardy | collin: Yes. But it's mostly just a cosmetic problem. |
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| 23:25.58 | beardy | collin: apt-get does the building, the rest is done by aptitude, would look nicer if aptitude did it all though yes. |
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| 23:27.41 | collin | apt-get build-dep iceweasel works, asks for conformation to continue. aptitude build-dep iceweasel says no source package available. |
| 23:28.42 | beardy | Interesting. |
| 23:28.46 | Qew | ah, do you have an apt.conf with default-release line in it? |
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| 23:30.08 | deever | is there an easy way to build dpkg/apt from source on a non-debian system? |
| 23:30.09 | collin | Qew: no, but I had an old pinned release in preferences. |
| 23:30.13 | collin | removed it, works now |
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| 23:30.37 | Qew | yeah, weird quirk. |
| 23:32.12 | dkr | deever: easier than what? not doing it from source? :) |
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| 23:33.58 | collin | what is the 'default' pin priority? 100? |
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| 23:35.42 | jj3666 | in squeeze, why is gnome-network-admin a dependency for gnome-desktop-environment, bad effect is it removes Network-Manager |
| 23:35.44 | collin | man page ftw. It seems like my experimental kde4 repo at 101 breaks build-dep but not install. Adding a pin at any priority for testing makes it work again. Not sure exactly why. |
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| 23:38.02 | jelly-home | collin: the default release has a pin equivalency of 900, I think |
| 23:38.05 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 23:38.05 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 23:38.20 | deever | dkr: well, are there any guides/howtos on the net that list the required cmdlines? |
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| 23:39.15 | collin | jelly-home: It's 500 according to the man page. |
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| 23:39.19 | deever | dkr: dpkg i already got compiled from source, but the makefile of the apt source package surprisingly[tm] doesn't contain an install target... |
| 23:39.23 | lostson | anyone know if psi is still broken in testing ? |
| 23:39.23 | dkr | deever: read the README file that comes with the source |
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| 23:39.59 | collin | jelly-home: regardless, 101 should be lower so I think build-dep should not be stopping its search for source packages. Right? |
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| 23:41.53 | jelly-home | collin: build-dep doesn't search for source package, but binary packages needed to build a source |
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| 23:43.31 | Qew | collin: the other thing I found is if you have a default release/pinning that says stable/testing/unstable (as it should), but says lenny/squeeze/sid in sources.list, aptitude build-dep will come up with that error. Changing the sources list to say stable/testing/unstable should "fix" this issue, too. |
| 23:44.12 | Qew | apt-get build-dep will still work, though |
| 23:44.25 | collin | Qew: I just noticed this trying to aptitide install package/sid instead of package/unstable |
| 23:44.39 | jelly-home | in any case, pinning is rather broken |
| 23:45.01 | collin | the former fails, I should clarify, the latter succeeds |
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| 23:45.20 | collin | even though sid is how I call it in my sources.list |
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| 23:48.37 | jj3666 | #flood |
| 23:48.37 | Qew | #failed |
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| 23:49.16 | c0m1 | exit |
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| 23:55.01 | Dawgmatix | i am trying to get sound working in adobe flash 10 on a 64bit lenny machine. does anyone have it working ? |
| 23:55.18 | Dawgmatix | (Dont want to spend n hours fiddling, if its known to not work) |
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| 23:57.53 | wooj | Dawgmatix, adobe has a beta or some such for x64 for flash10 on linux |
| 23:57.57 | obcecado | have you tried downloading http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz and extracting it into <favorite_browser> plugin folder ? |
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| 23:58.21 | Dawgmatix | yes ive tried that |
| 23:58.24 | Dawgmatix | video works, audio doesnt |
| 23:58.33 | Dawgmatix | no trace / debug output |
| 23:58.40 | wooj | Odd, worked fine for me, though thats obviously no help :) |
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| 23:59.01 | Dawgmatix | well if i know it can work, then i will try to get it to work :D |
| 23:59.09 | jj3666 | works, for me, you may need alsa-mixer to find the right channel volume for your card and flash to work? |
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| 23:59.24 | wooj | http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz <-- this was what you downloaded, yea? |
| 23:59.34 | obcecado | it worked for me before |
| 23:59.37 | Dawgmatix | ive installed pulseaudio , i dont know if that changes anything |
| 23:59.42 | Dawgmatix | yes that is what i downloaded wooj |
| 23:59.46 | obcecado | i dont have anything running debian near me now |
| 23:59.54 | wooj | Oh pulseaudio :S |
| 23:59.56 | Dawgmatix | no issues |
