IRC log for #debian on 20090624

00:00.00Dawgmatix:)
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00:00.13Dawgmatixwell pulse works beautifully otherwise
00:00.16Dawgmatixexcept for flash
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00:00.56jj3666the alsa-mixer can coexist with pulse-audio i believe
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00:01.51Dawgmatixalsamixer just shows my card and chip to both be pulseaudio
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00:02.58thmshey, I'm using cheese but I can't see how to set the parameters of my webcam, anyone knows ?
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00:03.12woojhuh, sudo apt-cache seach pulseaudio pulls up a 'flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound' package
00:03.45jj3666Dawgmatix, yeah what ^ just said
00:03.51ksnphi, i keep getting the following error with ddclient, but not with wget https on my debian :
00:03.51ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:
00:03.56ksnpcan anyone help ?
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00:05.07Dawgmatixwooj that package (flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound) is not installable
00:05.20Dawgmatixi mean not available
00:05.21woojDawgmatix, oh, crappy.  Damn you apt.
00:05.31woojshakes a fist at apt-get.
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00:07.34adbDawgmatix: add contrib at sources list
00:08.04adb<PROTECTED>
00:08.36woojhttp://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup also has directions on flash+pulseaudio.
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00:08.51riotis there an easy way to restart the whole alsa-subsystem?
00:09.14Dawgmatixwooj reading the perfect setup
00:09.16collinriot: remove and reinsert the driver module perhaps?
00:09.38riotcollin: hmm, there's a ton of dependencies, its unfeasible
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00:10.30collinriot: so what other subsystem is there?
00:10.55riotlsmod | grep snd | wc --> 23 lines
00:11.22collinkernel->libalsa->possibly wrapper libraries->possibly a sound daemon->application. Only the first two are alsa.
00:11.50deeverdkr: which README file? the apt source package contains many, but no one with the (complete) install instructions
00:12.01collinriot: you will find that most depart easily upon request
00:12.46riotnah, not really. Everything related to hardware refuses
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00:13.35collinriot: stop using it and it will start doing what you say
00:13.38riotand my hardware is the problem. Its buggy. After more than 8 hours of continous playback there seems to be a buffer crashing :(
00:13.47woojLooks like restarting alsa is distro specific.
00:13.48riotcollin: i'm not using it. At least according to lsof
00:13.59riotwooj: quite so, i suppose.
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00:14.32woojriot, debian doesnt seem to have an alsa init in /etc/init.d/ I can find to restart it
00:14.59riotwooj: only alsa-utils, which isn't very much helpful
00:15.14ksnphi, i keep getting the following error with ddclient, but not with wget https on my debian :
00:15.15ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:
00:15.16collinwooj: I have an /etc/init.d/alsa-utils, but I suspect it's just for mixer restoring...
00:15.17ksnpcan anyone help ?
00:15.17rioti noticed, there was the speech-dispatcher running as root. maybe stopping that helps
00:15.27riotcollin: yep. Along that stuff.
00:15.27woojcollin, odd, i don't even have that
00:15.49riotupon further inspection, its ONLY for mixer restoration ;)
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00:16.04woojmy lenny doesn't have this mystical alsa-utils
00:16.08woojI feel deprived ;)\
00:16.21riotaah, collin, you were right. That stupid speech-dispatcher was the problem
00:16.23collinriot: I don't know of any way to 'signal' a driver to reload itself, unless it exports an interface to /proc/ or something for that. I'm going to stand by the remove and reinsert.
00:16.42collinriot: was still using the device?
00:16.50riotafter killing that one vehemently, i was able to unload the module
00:17.00riot(snd_hda_intel)
00:17.14woojthat makes me want to go install psdoom and play as root.
00:17.14collingood
00:17.31collinwooj: that's only a sport if you do it on a multiuser box
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00:17.38woojcollin, lol true.
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00:17.57collinwooj: I see an alsa-utils package for lenny, 1.0.16-2
00:17.59riothehehehe.
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00:18.40riotalsa-utils is generally a quite nice package. Especially the aconnectgui is quite helpful to connect midi devices.
00:18.42woojcollin, well, I did deselect everything like 'laptop', etc, when I installed so I'd get the smallest install possible.
00:18.55wooj4gb isnt much space :(
00:18.58riotwooj: alsa-utils is veery optional
00:19.04collinwooj: netbook?
00:19.14woojcollin, yeah, eeepc 701
00:19.41collinI got a 10-pound bludgeon-top because I like to install the kitchen sink
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00:20.48riotwow, mmmhmm.. ams is a NICE synth
00:21.38adb<PROTECTED>
00:22.07adboh, seen , nm
00:22.15riotAlsaModularSynth
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00:22.32adbRealtime modular synthesizer for ALSA
00:22.37collinoh, it's one of those audio things I'll never undestand...
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00:23.57riothmmhm.. sadly, it seems to be very monophonic
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00:24.06LONGCATWhat's the last release of debian compatible with 2.4?
00:26.15adbwhat 2.4?
00:26.21LONGCATkernel 2.4
00:26.27collinLONGCAT: sarge, I think
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00:29.04collinLONGCAT: seems confirmed by this http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch, "2.4 kernels are only supported for upgrade from sarge." - so not etch, but sarge
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00:29.31riotgood to know, i have this 486 thinkpad which refused to upgrade to something modern..
00:29.32LONGCATThanks collin, I appreciate it
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00:31.21ksnphi, i keep getting the following error with ddclient, but not with wget https on my debian :
00:31.23ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:
00:31.24ksnpcan anyone help ?
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00:32.46adbksnp: url ?
00:32.56adbksnp: lenny ?
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00:40.15nagyonhave 8gb installed, O/S is only seeing 4GB... 4x2gb yielded 4GB ram, 2x2GB yielded 2GB, and 1x2GB yielded a "no memory" bios beep pattern -- sound about right for a bad slot?
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00:40.46nagyonoops, wrong channel, though i wouldn't decline the help here either :-)
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00:45.03valdynnagyon: which OS
00:45.10ksnplenny
00:45.21ksnpadb : i am using lenny
00:45.51adbksnp: and url ?
00:46.01ksnpadb : it works without ssl sometimes, but even when i setup ddclient.conf to "ssl=no" instead of "ssl=yes" it gave error couple of times
00:46.04ksnpurl is :
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00:46.31ksnpactually don't have the machine here - but same url works with regular browser with https
00:47.01supertanker2Hi, I'm trying to make my own motd script--I started by commenting out the uname command in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and changing /etc/motd.tail
00:47.05izuaum, i ran a program that overused my ram and page, now they're both full. i had to kill it, but the kernel hasn't freed the memory, and now everything is slow
00:47.08ksnpadb : url is a large string with username and password embedded
00:47.21izuahow do i free the ram that's no longer in use?
00:47.26supertanker2What commands would I put in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh below where it reads the /etc/motd.tail to print the "You last logged in at/from..."
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00:49.26unjusticeHi, I am trying to get audacity to reference ffmpeg libraries, but I am not sure where they are installed via my package manager, is there a default space they would go to, or a search command to find them?
00:50.02unjusticeI know that I have them installed, but not sure where
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00:51.31DynVizua: linux uses free ram as cache so you won't see free
00:52.18ksnpadb ?
00:52.23izuano, this is not as cache
00:52.30izuain htop it shows up as 'in use'
00:52.42izuafears a massive memoryleak
00:52.47efaistosizua: nope
00:52.54efaistosits how linux works ;)
00:52.58izuano.
00:53.01izuayou don't understand.
00:53.02adbksnp: re try when have that machine
00:53.14izuai have killed the program, and the memory is still as 'user', not 'cache'.
00:53.18ksnpadb : why is the url important ?
00:53.30izuaand it's not just the whole memory, it's the whole pagefile too
00:53.40DynVizua: try kill ?
00:53.41ksnpadb : the url works with regular browser
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00:53.58ksnpadb : problem is i can't chat when i am at the machine easily so want to get the info now if possible
00:54.09DynVizua: oh sorry :)
00:54.33izuaso uhm, what to do?
00:54.37izuamassive memory leak? :P
00:55.56efaistosizua: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ ;)
00:56.00adbksnp: try bts about it
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00:56.24ksnpbts ?
00:56.32adb!bts
00:56.33dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber .  aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too.  Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS.  Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
00:56.41izuaefaistos: again.
00:56.47oh_noesIs it possible to count the in/out usage of an interface that keeps dropping and reconnecting (ppp0)??
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00:57.12izuai have loaded a program (native instruments akoustik piano through vst through wine).
00:57.23efaistosargghhh wine ...
00:57.25izuait wanted more memory than my current ram + pagefile. it crashed.
00:57.26efaistoskill that ;)
00:57.27izuai killed it.
00:57.32izuanow ram isn't cached.
00:57.35izuait's used.
00:57.39efaistosweird ...
00:58.00izuait doesn't look like i'm low on memory, htop reports it as another color when it's cached
00:58.02efaistosany other process running
00:58.05efaistos?
00:58.07izuai _am_ low on memory
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00:58.12izuano
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00:58.24izuassh to the irc box, but that's crap..
00:58.33nsadminI think there are ways of loading vst plugins in linux
00:58.47izuathis is one of those native instruments one
00:58.54izuawith uberduper protections and the like
00:59.01izuaand 4 DVDs of data
00:59.22izuathat's why i didn't try to load it in a vst emulator, but in wine
00:59.36ksnpadb : i am trying on that site, i don't see any place to enter bug information, only see various options - do i need an account ?
00:59.39izuaanyway, i need to free my memory, or force it to become buffered without restarting
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01:00.28nsadminfree at last... thank the hypervisor we're free at last...
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01:00.56nsadminwhat do you do with this plugin?
01:00.57adbksnp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=packagename;package=ddclient
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01:01.51DynVizua: tried /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure ?
01:02.28efaistosDynV: whats that for exactly ?
01:02.34adbksnp: well change  to dist=stable
01:02.46DynVefaistos: not sure :) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/599719/how-to-clean-caches-used-by-the-linux-kernel
01:02.59efaistos:)
01:03.54izuaumm, that's a file
01:03.55izuanevermind, i'm gonna reboot. would have been faster anyway ><
01:04.05nsadminizua what do you do with this plugin (when it's working normally that is)
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01:04.44ksnpadb : both in there and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=ddclient;dist=unstable, i don't find place to put a description :)
01:05.05ksnpI only see options at the bottom
01:05.12ksnpno box for entering description
01:05.48izuansadmin: i send it midi messages and it plays them
01:06.24izua'play' is a term which means loading a ton of piano samples in memory, for the whole keyboard, for a whole lot of velocities
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01:07.34SuperMiguelon debian i added a startup program, and sometimes it will start and other it wont.. is there a way to debug it? or is there a log?
01:08.32nagyonvaldyn: debian lenny amd64
01:08.44nagyonvaldyn: just figured out -- one bad memory stick
01:08.52nagyonvaldyn: thankfully it wasn't a bank but a single stick
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01:09.05adbpkg=ddclient is description , dist=stable  is distribution
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01:09.10adbksnp: ^^
01:09.22nsadminizua I understand things at that level of abstraction pretty well :P so do you do production work? composition? live?
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01:10.25nsadminbut hold that thought, I suppose you want to reboot
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01:10.54SuperMiguelnagyon, what kind of system is it?
01:11.05nagyonSuperMiguel: in terms of what?
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01:11.15SuperMiguelnagyon, laptop or desktop :)
01:11.36lisdhi, I already have a linux os on this computer - I wish to put debian on it (as in, overwrite any and all partitions- I've backed up all I needed to already), do I need to do the erasing and creation of partitions seperately, or will the debian installer let me do what I've mentioned?
01:12.09nsadminthe debian installer will let you format partitions
01:12.45nsadminbtw, are you sure your partitions are the way you want them? what purpose does the box serve?
01:13.08oh_noesIs it possible to count the in/out usage of an interface that keeps dropping and reconnecting (ppp0)?
01:13.09deed02392lisd, the debian installer has a partition manager, you can use that to destroy all the partitions on the disk and let it generate the two partitions you need for a basic install, or more if you like
01:13.20lisdcasual desktop/server, etc. I think I'll have 4 partitions, /root, /boot, /home, and swap
01:13.30simNIXSuperMiguel, echo "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=yes" > /etc/default/bootlogd may help ..
01:13.40deed02392yeah, 99% sure the installer will do that for you lisd :)
01:13.41nsadminconsider also /var and /usr
01:13.59deed02392and perhaps /tmp
01:14.01nsadminand /tmp
01:14.08deed02392yeah :D hi 5
01:14.31nsadminhe could use a tmpfs for that probably
01:14.51lisdnsadmin> btw, are you sure your partitions are the way you want them? <- they already are on this current os, but I will wish to create new ones (i.e., effectively formatting the entire hdd and going with somewhat the same partition shceme)
01:14.59SuperMiguelsimNIX, where does the log get save?
01:15.21simNIX/var/log/boot
01:15.22nsadminlisd: do you have any interest in LVM?
01:15.26ksnpadb : i used the linke and understand the URL, what i am saying is at that URL i can't find a box to enter the description, Only a section called Options :)
01:15.31simNIXat system boot ..
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01:15.50nsadminI'll just say that the installer would let you do lvm if you want
01:16.05lisdnsadmin, I don't know a lot about it, can you please briefly say how it could benefit me for the usage I've mentioned? (casual desktop/server, etc.)
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01:16.14adbksnp:  description of ?
01:16.32ksnpadb : to enter descrption of the bug to submit
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01:16.43ksnpadb : i want to submit a bug right
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01:16.57nsadminlisd: if most of your drive were an lvm PV, then the partitions would be more conveniently resizable
01:17.20ksnpadb : i don't see a description box to enter description of the bug, only a bunch of options in that page
01:17.52nsadminif you do lvm, you should have a small / and/or a small /boot
01:17.58adb!bug report
01:17.58dpkgit has been said that bug report is http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
01:18.13adbksnp: ^^
01:18.17ksnphehe saw that page already :) but too long ;-)
01:18.23ksnpadb : anyway i'll figure out
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01:18.25nsadminthat is a normao partition, not part of any raid or lvm
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01:19.03ksnpthanks..
01:19.07adbnp
01:19.08nsadminspecifically, it's nice when you have lots of space on your hd to grow your /home
01:19.27ksnpadb : quickly : i guess i can't submit bugs online ?
01:19.33nsadminor you can grow your /usr to make room for more apps
01:19.34ksnpadb : have to use email or package ?
01:19.59ksnppackage i mean : aptitude install reportbug;
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01:20.57lisdI don't think I have a dire need for that (I spent nearly 2 years with the aforementioned partition scheme, wasn't a problem), not to mention I wouldn't want to complicate the installation process :) http://pastebin.com/m10c80c80 < - my current partitioning, I think I'll go with that, do you have any thoughts on it?
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01:22.51nagyonSuperMiguel: rackmount server
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01:23.41oh_noesWhats the best command line web tool to check if a Website is online?    lynx or wget?
01:23.48lisdping?
01:23.53SiskHow bout ping?
01:23.59simNIXping ?
01:24.07simNIXor fping
01:24.08nsadminok... finally you could read the install guide/release notes
01:24.54oh_noeswell, ping only checks that the IP is up.  I  want to check the IP is up, apache is up and the application is up.  I have a page.php which will return OK
01:25.30ajavidI just install msttcorefonts
01:25.36oh_noeslynx seems to want user intervention
01:25.37ajavidis there  way to load the fonts without restarting X?
01:25.49simNIXoh_noes, nagios has scripts to check a lot of things - no need tosetup nagios but uou could use its checkhttp script
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01:26.08lisdnsadmin, aye, I am and will be doing so. :) thanks, I'll get to installing it now, thanks.
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01:26.31mouseclonehello everyone
01:26.44mousecloneany around here use unison?
01:26.59nsadmin!ask
01:26.59dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:27.29simNIXoh_noes, http://nagiosplugins.org/
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01:29.39mousecloneanyone know how to get a script file to run as a daemon? I'm trying to get a unison script to stay running when I leave the terminal.  It seems that when I exit it dies.  yes i do use /some/script/name & to let it run in the back ground
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01:30.01LONGCATAnybody know of sarge mirrors?
01:30.08LONGCATsarge package mirrors
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01:30.26simNIXmouseclone, if you en commandline with & would that suffice ?
01:30.27abrotman!ado
01:30.27dpkgFind old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/
01:30.46simNIXor handyer run it in sceen
01:30.50simNIXand then exit screen
01:30.57LONGCATTHanks abrotman
01:31.03ksnphi, I am trying to get ddclient work with ssl : i get the following error with it. But wget
01:31.03ksnphttps works fine. Can anyone help please ?
01:31.04nsadminLONGCAT: you might wanna get the whole archive for your arch and make your own mirror
01:31.08abrotmanLONGCAT: and read the README there
01:31.11ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
01:31.13mouseclonesimNIX: it appears ending the the '&' at the end of the command only works while I'm still logged in
01:31.18abrotmannsadmin: why? archive.debian.org isn't good enough ?
01:31.22SiskWhat's a good utility to find a program that's running in the background and causing problems? I'm about 75% sure I've got such a program running in the background but I haven't been able to find it with top and lsof just freezes whenever the problems crop up.
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01:31.47simNIXmouseclone, with screen you can reconect after if ever needed ..
01:31.52nsadminabrotman: it might go away... or does it have everything including bo and before?
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01:32.12LONGCATIt has 0.93R6
01:32.26mouseclonesimNIX: so just do 'screen /some/script/file/name &' and see if that works?
01:32.33simNIXno
01:32.36simNIXscreen
01:32.38nsadminoh ok, that should be far back enough///
01:32.44simNIXthen type command
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01:32.52abrotmannsadmin: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/
01:32.53nsadmincommand
01:33.31simNIXhttp://www.rackaid.com/resources/linux-tutorials/general-tutorials/using-screen/
01:33.40simNIX(1st google hit_
01:33.46mouseclonesimNIX: how do I leave the screen but sill leave it running?  or would running an expect script to launch a shell work?
01:33.48simNIXits a tool realy woth exploring
01:33.51nsadminlearn to work screen too
01:33.54mouseclonesimNIX: thanks
01:34.12simNIXthis way yuo can start something that takes long , disconnectt, go home , ssh ni and reconect if needed
01:34.35simNIXCtrl+A then d
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01:34.54simNIXscreen -r to reconnect
01:34.59nsadminstart it at work, detach, attach at home and watch the action
01:35.11Tapoutif you've got 4 cpu's, is there a way to control which app goes where?  How do you control this, or does the kernel decide?
01:35.24Tapouti want to match 4 processes with 4 cpus for maximum processing
01:35.35abrotmancpu affinity
01:35.43abrotmanthere's a tool for it, if i can find it
01:35.56Ambushabrotman: see, this guy actually has a WOPR!
01:36.14abrotmanjudd: info schedtool --release lenny
01:36.15nsadmin!wopr
01:36.15juddabrotman: schedtool (utils): is extra; Version: 1.2.10-1; Size: 23.4k; Installed: 44k -- Queries/alters process' scheduling policy and CPU affinity
01:36.16Tapoutabrotman, that gives me a clue to google around :)
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01:36.25Tapoutthank you abrotman, woot
01:36.30Tapouthey now and a baba booey to you
01:36.47mouseclonesimNIX: thanks for the help on that one.  I should learn how to write a daemon as well I guess.
01:37.15simNIXtry - maybe advanced bash scripting howto is a start for that
01:37.26simNIX*try=ty
01:37.34Tapoutabrotman, by default does it use the next free cpu?
01:37.43abrotmanTapout: does what use?
01:37.55Tapoutfor example, if i started 4 pids .. does it automatically break it down to each core or what?
01:38.01Tapoutthe kernel i meant
01:38.09abrotmanyou'd have to read the scheduler documentation .. but i'd guess it uses the least used CPU
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01:38.23Tapoutdoes the kernel recognize you've got 4 pids, 3 free... and assign each pid over
01:38.25Tapoutok roger
01:38.28Tapoutwill read that, thank you
01:38.34abrotmanor ask #kernel maybe ?
01:38.35simNIXno *try = tru
01:38.38simNIXthat was it
01:38.41simNIXim too tired
01:38.43simNIXnight all
01:38.58nsadminwhen you even boot, you have already some processes running once init is started
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01:45.09mouseclonethx for the help everyone
01:45.29ksnphi, I am trying to get ddclient work with ssl : i get the following error with it. But wget with https works fine :
01:45.33ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
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01:48.33oh_noeshow do you tell lynx to ignore ssl certificate errors/warning?  I'm trying to write a check_http type script
01:48.39oh_noesunless someone has a copy of the nagios version
01:49.32enoufoh_noes: maybe ,,, the dirmgr pkg? i know it's not lynx specific, but ..
01:49.55nsadminoh_noes why not have that be one thing you test for?
01:50.23nsadmin(say your cert expires and you didn't expect it... you'd want to know)(
01:50.37enoufoh_noes: sorry -- apt-cache show dirmngr
01:50.55nsadminand are you saying there's a current problem with the cert?
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01:57.07oh_noesbecause the site is expected to have a bad cert, im just trying to ensure the web app is online
01:57.10abrotmanoh_noes: why not use wget ?
01:57.16oh_noescurl -insecure is perfect for my needs
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01:57.39enoufthanks for letting us know
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02:05.25sylarrrhow to portscan?
02:05.33jleedev!nmap
02:05.33dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nmap is a free software port scanner written by Fyodor.  It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network.  Don't use it to do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself.  Popular by the clueless to audit computers they could and should just run 'netstat -plunt' on (ask me about <open ports>).  http://nmap.org/  ##nmap on irc.freenode.net.
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02:05.54krfkeithhow does one set permissions?
02:06.30nsadmininfo coreutils, look at "file permissions" and chmod
02:06.36StrikiHi all. Does anyone know why my 64 bit system only detects 3.2GB of memory when the system, grub and the bios detect 4GB. I've put some information on pastebin http://pastebin.com/m5b3b683 and I would appreciate it if someone could look at it and maybe give me some hints.
02:07.05Strikioops, not "system, grub and the bios detect 4GB".. was meant to be "grub and the bios detect 4GB" :))
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02:07.26sylarrrthere should be some port scan with nc -z something
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02:08.03abrotmanStriki: is it actually 64bit ? uname -a
02:08.15Strikiyeah, uname -a is at the bottom
02:08.32Strikiadam:~# uname -a
02:08.32StrikiLinux adam 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 28 21:28:49 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
02:08.43abrotmani see it now
02:08.47Strikicore 2 quad processor
02:08.55Strikisupposed to be 64 bit
02:09.30abrotmanStriki: anything interesting in dmesg ?
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02:10.46Strikiyeah, i checked it today and it was odd, forgot to mention it
02:10.47Striki[    0.004000] Memory: 3282768k/3342016k available (2225k kernel code, 58836k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
02:11.02abrotmanon board video taking a lot of RAM ?
02:11.06Strikihmmmmmm
02:11.10abrotman(jeez that'd be a lot)
02:11.15Strikihehehe
02:11.26LONGCATBasically your memory controller only has 32bits of address space wired.  Therefore it cannot map pci and other stuff above 4gb
02:11.26Strikigonna check it out, wait a sec :)
02:11.47Strikihmmm
02:11.48LONGCATNo matter what you do, unless you replace the board you're not going to get all of your 4gb
02:11.54abrotmanStriki: were you in here last night with the same issue ?
02:11.55Strikii see
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02:12.02abrotmanLONGCAT: but the BIOS sees it ?
02:12.03jleedevlook up the motherboard model to be sure
02:12.05Strikiabrotman: no, my first time here :)
02:12.09LONGCATabrotman: yes, the bios will see it
02:12.20sylarrrwhat happened to etch key?
02:12.30abrotmanit got changed
02:12.50sylarrrwhat should I do then?
02:12.54abrotmaninstall the new one
02:13.00sylarrrhow?
02:13.03StrikiLONGCAT: it doesn't matter wich OS you would use, it's a hardware limit, right?
02:13.08abrotmaninstall the new debian-archive-keyring
02:13.12LONGCATStriki: right
02:13.17Strikiok
02:13.21Strikithanks A LOT guys :)
02:13.28abrotmanwhat kind of goofy AMD64 platform wouldn't support 4GB?
02:13.37LONGCATGoogle it...  There's information you can find
02:13.39abrotmanStriki: please tell me so i don't buy it :)
02:14.01Strikiyep, gonna check it out (i'm only connected remotely, not my computer :))
02:14.04Strikigive me a sec
02:14.17abrotmani'd think the mobo manual would tell you
02:14.21LONGCATHmm maybe looking up the memory controller would be fruitful
02:15.11Strikiabrotman: that's interesting: http://pastebin.com/m3e47c5c3
02:15.11LONGCATI got 4GB for my 64bit C2D laptop (xps 1210)...  Only saw 3 and change GB...  I did some googling and ended up selling that extra 2gb to a coworker
02:15.20StrikiManufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M
02:15.21Strikilol
02:16.07abrotmanwell, at least you can use a 2.88MB floppy drive
02:16.14ksnphi, I am trying to get ddclient work with ssl : i get the following error with it. But wget with https works fine : CAn anyone help ?
02:16.16ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
02:16.35Strikiabrotman: haha yeha
02:16.36Strikiyeah*
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02:18.12eyerisIn etch, the djbdns package setup users and groups for dnscache, tinydns, etc. The lenny package doesn't seem to do the same. Is there some documentation about the changes?
02:18.25abrotman/usr/share/doc/djbdns/ ?
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02:18.55eyerisabrotman Nothing in there explains the changes.
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02:19.42LONGCAT(Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.)
02:20.05abrotmanspace saver!
02:20.11LONGCATI debbootstrapped mipsel, tar and cp'd it over to mips dd-wrt, chrooted and dpkg -i'd apt
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02:22.19oh_noesIs it possible to count the in/out usage of an interface that keeps dropping and reconnecting (ppp0)??
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02:22.43StrikiBy the way. Is the bigmem kernel (or kernel option) only for 32 bit systems?
02:22.47eyerisoh_noes: does the netstat -s output differ from the ifconfig output?
02:22.48StrikiIsn't it just some dirty hack anyways?
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02:22.59LONGCATHmm doesnt pppd show usage when it disconnects?
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02:23.31abrotmaneyeris: yeah .. not really any useful docs
02:23.33abrotmanStriki: yes
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02:23.44Strikiabrotman: even if i compile the kernel myself?
02:23.53abrotmanStriki: for 64bit, shouldn't matter
02:23.56Strikiok
02:23.57Strikithanks
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02:27.15xiangfuHi where a use  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
02:27.31xiangfuit's always "dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many ()"
02:28.51xiangfuhere is the control file : http://code.google.com/p/pi-project/source/browse/trunk/flash-tool/debian/control
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02:34.31Akuwi need to remove the last ; of a string, for example  1582270114;JOHD,;H100003030;04-05-2007;222770221;001FV;
02:34.40Akuwi need to delete the last ;
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02:35.59simonrvnxiangfu: other than a bit of a grammar issue in the long description, i don't see what's wrong with it. are you in its source tree?
02:36.04oh_noesAkuw: #bash ... but look at man cut
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02:39.06xiangfusimonrvn: Hi,
02:39.07xiangfu|-- debian
02:39.07xiangfu|-- device_stage1
02:39.07xiangfu|-- device_stage2
02:39.07xiangfu`-- src
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02:40.36xiangfuHi you mean I must put "debian" to "src" folder?  sorry for my English
02:40.40simonrvnum, don't paste here, as you saw, the bot will kick you
02:40.54xiangfusimonrvn: yes. :-)
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02:41.09simonrvnxiangfu: your english is fine. the debian dir goes in the source tree for the project.
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02:43.19simonrvnxiangfu: like: in-flash-XXX/debian
02:43.32simonrvnand the other dirs and file alongside
02:43.37simonrvn!nm
02:43.38dpkgwell, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ .  A program to list symbols from object files and libs.  Never/No Mind.  New Mexico  No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish.  See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>.
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02:43.42simonrvn!nmg
02:43.42dpkgThe New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other.  See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.
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02:45.37xiangfusimonrvn: I make a soft link for the dir. like "inflash-1.0.0 -> flash-tool/"
02:46.12xiangfusimonrvn: so the path is like: "/home/xiangfu/workspace/pi-project/inflash-1.0.0/debian"
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02:46.40xiangfusimonrvn: I will read the new maintainer's guilde , thanks.
02:46.44simonrvnxiangfu: the name of the dir doesn't really matter, at least not when you're trying to set it up (though it might later). just as long debian/ is in your project tree it should be ok.
02:46.46``y7anybody know what dhcp program debian uses?
02:46.52simonrvnnp, good luck buddy
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02:47.02simonrvn``y7: ISC's by default
02:47.11ksnphi, I am trying to get ddclient work with ssl : i get the following error with it. But wget with https works fine : CAn anyone help ?
02:47.11``y7simonrvn, thx
02:47.12ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
02:47.18abrotman``y7: dhcp3-client probably in most cases
02:47.21ksnpsimon can you help ?
02:47.23xiangfusimonrvn : thanks.
02:47.38``y7abrotman, simonrvn, you guys talking about two diff things or the same thing?
02:47.41LONGCATTry googling the error?  "error:140770fc"
02:47.49ksnpi did
02:47.51simonrvn``y7: same thing
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02:47.56``y7rgr that. thx again :)
02:47.58ksnpLONG : spent lot of time trying to figure out
02:47.59cantidoksnp: ssl in apache?
02:48.07ksnphi cantido
02:48.11ksnpits with ddclient
02:48.22ksnpwhen i do wget https it works fine though
02:49.17ksnpjust doesn't work with the ddclient with ssl=yes in the config - been trying to figure this for 2 weeks now..
02:49.17cantidoksnp: mmm I had that message coming out of clients when apache wasn't expecting SSL to be used for the requested vhost
02:49.25ksnpthe url is fine, because i can access through the browser and it does https
02:49.50ksnpthrough brwoser - in windows
02:50.00ksnpi don't have browser in debian - no GUI / KDE etc.
02:50.05cantidoksnp: have you tried using the gnutls client thingy..
02:50.20ksnpno, dunno how to make ddclient use that
02:50.45adb<PROTECTED>
02:50.45dpkgNo packages found matching  libio-socket-ssl-perl | grep ii
02:50.59adbksnp: ^^
02:51.01ksnpinstructions said use libio-socket-ssl-perl
02:51.13cantidoksnp: no, I mean for debugging the connection. If it works in a browser,.. maybe ddclient is busted
02:51.18ksnpi can see that package
02:51.27ksnpddclient works without the ssl optino
02:51.32ksnponly fails with it..
02:51.50ksnpadb : packages.debian.org/libio-socket-ssl-perl
02:52.21ksnpcantido : can wget be used to update the status using the dd website also ? i know it can download webpages
02:52.26simonrvnksnp: you sure the server has a valid cert?
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02:52.52ksnpsimon : when i do it on windows firefox it works, didn't complain about cert. Not sure how debian checks for cert with trusted zone etc.
02:53.04ksnpdoes debian have a trusted zone or something like that too like windows ?
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02:53.33cantidoksnp: you have a list of trusted ca's that applications can use..
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02:53.58MARROQUINEnter text here...OLA
02:54.03ksnpwhere is this list stored in debian - is there a way i can get the cert from the site and add a cert to this list ?
02:54.10simonrvnksnp: no; but that error is usually because there's a problem with the sevrer's cert and the client is checking the validity.
02:54.57cantidosimonrvn: really? I've seen that exact error when the client tries to negotiate SSL and the server isn't expecting it..
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02:55.03ksnpsimon / cantido : so is there a list that I can add to "trusted zone" or not ? In terms of the certificate validity - i am sure it is valid because it works on my windows when i access the same URL ?
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02:55.26ksnpcantido : you see the same error code too in that case ?
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02:56.08simonrvncantido: hold on, lemme see again
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02:56.51simonrvncould be that dumb bug with that libio-socket-ssl-perl
02:57.02adb<PROTECTED>
02:57.02dpkgNo packages found matching  libio-socket-ssl-perl | grep ii
02:57.07cantidoksnp: I said earlier, that that error.. HELLO protocol blah blah was being caused here because we were doing HTTPS requests to vhosts that apache wasn't configured to enable SSL for
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02:57.33simonrvnthere is no "trusted zone"
02:57.40abrotmanhehe
02:57.46ksnpwhen you say apache wasn't configured - you mean the server right ??
02:57.54cantidoksnp: It's like the underlying library tries to negotiate ssl and the other end goes WTF? it just gives you that error
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02:58.03Akuwabrotman, i need to delete the last ;  of a line
02:58.05simonrvncantido: i've seen something like that a long time ago, used to be an old bug, it looks almost the same
02:58.10cantidosimonrvn: you have trusted ca's though
02:58.13ksnpcantido : do you see the same error code : :140770FC
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02:58.25abrotmanAkuw: oh, how are you going to do that?
02:58.35ksnpcantido : the exact same URL works with https in firefox on windows - that means the server can do HTTPS correct ?
02:58.51simonrvnhmm maybe s,;$,, ?
02:58.59ksnpis there a way i can get older version of a package ?
02:59.00cantidoksnp: can't check now as I fixed the issue.. I'm sure it was identical though
02:59.17ksnpyou fixed the issue by changing the server i guess ?
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03:00.28cantidoksnp: yeah
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03:00.56daishadaris there a way i can get a list of packages that will ask me questions when i dpkg-reconfigure them?
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03:01.43ksnpcantido : ok.. in this case i don't think fault is with server because it DOES SSL / HTTPS FINE with firefox on windows - so maybe some other reason
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03:03.56adbksnp: do, as root > cat /etc/ddclient.conf | grep prot  <  and tell output
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03:06.07simonrvn!uuoc adb
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03:07.34adbksnp: grep prot /etc/ddclient.conf
03:07.41cantidoksnp: can you give me the address of the host you post updates to?
03:08.02adbhe lost it ..
03:09.07ksnpi need to try to access the machine or have somebody do gimme  few minutes
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03:09.41ksnpcantido : you dont use ddclient ?
03:09.45scrash09i'm trying to build fuse on a debian shared-host, and need to get a copy of kernel-source. although i have NO root access, i can exec apt-get, but can't figure out if/how i can install the kernel-source below my $HOME/ .  can I?  or, where can i find & DL the kernel-source as a tarball -- i.e., without apt?
03:10.40ksnpadb : protocol=dyddns2
03:10.40pickcoderscrash09: grab it from the repository using <cli browser>
03:10.40ksnpadb : protocol=dyndns2
03:10.40cantidoksnp: nope, but that error is coming out of gnutls..
03:10.42ksnpyou mean libio-socket-ssl-perl ?
03:10.44simonrvnscrash09: you'll have to fetch the right package, and unpack it, and point the build to the right dir, but it should be ok.
03:10.46ksnpis that same as gnutls ?
03:11.40ksnpanyway will try when i go back again
03:11.46cantidoksnp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348046#58 same error coming out of exim
03:12.01ksnpcant : yep saw a whole bunch of those errors for email
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03:12.27scrash09pickcoder: simonrvn i'm, alas, _not_ a debian-ite.  digging thru the debian docs, i'm missing the apparently obvious -- what correct repository?  simply nat to one of those listed in the hosts /etc/apt/sources.list?
03:12.36ksnpcant : what's the simplest way to use GUI with xterms on debian, from windows - i know vncserver should work, but do i need any packages to get xtersm ?
03:12.50cantidoksnp: twm maybe
03:13.24cantidoksnp: ratpoison is another name that comes to mind.. you can't just ssh?
03:13.41simonrvnscrash09: the one in /etc/apt/sources.list, under the pool/ dir
03:14.22ksnpi am using ssh now
03:14.28ksnpok..
03:14.35scrash09simonrvn: ok, thx.  i know where to look now -- nothing called "pool" in there, but for that i can read docs.
03:14.48ksnpwhat is i want to open firefox or emacs - I need some X system on it right ?
03:15.16simonrvnscrash09: e.g. ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/blahblah
03:16.07scrash09simonrvn: aha, bingo! thanks :-)
03:16.16cantidoksnp: use x11 forwarding over ssh
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03:16.31cantidoksnp: ah, your current machine is windows?
03:16.43ksnpyes
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03:16.50ksnpbut i hvae to install something on the debian ?
03:17.05cantidoksnp: if you install the vncserver package it'll install enough of x11 to run firefox etc over vnc
03:17.08ksnpand ya if i can use some secure connection like ssh for it, it would be nice
03:17.19ksnpok..
03:17.25ksnpanyway to make it secure  ?
03:17.30cantidoksnp: are you using dyndns.org?
03:17.38ksnpyes
03:17.42cantidoksnp: you can do vnc over ssh I think
03:17.48ksnpok, i'll search
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03:18.09ksnpcan you try with dyndnsorg and tell me if/when you have time ?
03:18.17ksnpif possible ?
03:18.28ksnpbeen trying to get it to work for 2 weeks :)(
03:18.33ksnp:)
03:19.15cantidoksnp: ok, give me a moment.. what release are you running?.. I'm on sid so it's likely we'll have different libraries etc, so what works here might not work there
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03:21.38maxagazis there a command to check to which ip is a hostname associated to on my network ?
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03:21.50maxagaztraceroute can do it
03:22.12pickcodermaxagaz: huh?
03:22.16pickcoderdig?
03:22.21pickcodernslookup
03:22.25pickcoderhostname
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03:22.58maxagazok nslookup
03:23.11maxagazpickcoder, but dig doesn't seem to do it
03:23.26maxagazpickcoder, when do you need dig ?
03:23.28cantidoksnp: just digging up my dyndns login etc
03:23.42pickcoderdig is the preferred DNS lookup tool
03:23.45nsadmindepends on how you're defining and implementing "associate"
03:23.50pickcodernslookup is deprecated
03:23.57pickcoderhostname is find for simple lookups
03:24.00pickcoders/find/dine
03:24.39maxagazpickcoder, how do you use hostname to find the same informations as with nslookup ?
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03:25.22maxagazpickcoder, when i use dig myhostname, i don't get the ip...
03:25.25nsadmindine in or dine out? :)
03:25.25nsadminand I'm pretty sure you mean host... hostname is something else
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03:26.03pickcodermeh
03:26.03pickcodernsadmin: people still use WINS? heh
03:26.18pickcodererm.. yeah
03:26.19maxagazhost works perfect
03:26.21pickcoderI don't use it
03:26.22maxagazthanks
03:26.26pickcoderI use dig
03:26.28BhavicWhere abouts are logs stored for system errors, just as sometimes ubutnu desktop just crashes ie, going unresponsive and i have to do a hard reboot
03:26.30pickcoderdig <hostname>
03:26.42BhavicAnd im not sure why
03:26.48maxagazpickcoder, dig  <hostname> doesn't returns its ip for me
03:27.16pickcodermaxagaz: then it's not a valid domain name on your network
03:27.24pickcoderor somethings misconfigured
03:27.25cantidoksnp: all good with dyndns and ssl here
03:27.26xiangfu<PROTECTED>
03:27.49maxagazpickcoder, i see, i have to put its full hostname
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03:29.28duckinatorSo, i have Debian 5, with apache2... when i view any file on my webpage w/ a .php extension -- even if it's pure HTML -- my server uses 12MB more RAM (the max php can use, meaning it whacks out and uses all the RAM it can get hold of)...why would it do this?
03:30.07cantidoduckinator: because it has to parse it even if it contains no php
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03:30.25duckinatorcantido: yes, but why would it use 12MB RAM
03:30.27cantidoduckinator: otherwise how would it know if it doesn't contain php or not..
03:30.41cantidoduckinator: because that's what you've configured php's memory limit as
03:30.45duckinatorcantido: apache uses 12MB more RAM, and it's never released
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03:31.02simonrvnBhavic: ubuntu questions should be asked in #ubuntu, but system logs are in /var/log
03:31.07duckinatorcantido: meaning that after about 2 or 3 page views i have to restart apache because my vps only has 128MB RAM
03:31.29cantidoduckinator: lower the memory limit in you php config then
03:31.52duckinatorcantido: but why would APACHE hold that RAM in use?..
03:32.02duckinatorits not a php process holding it in use, it's apache
03:32.13Jidsi have a monitor w/ max resolution 1280x1024... but Debian keeps defaulting to 1280x800 and won't give me the 1024 option... how do i fix this?
03:32.17duckinatorcantido: it should release the RAM after the page is done loading, right?...
03:34.29simonrvnduckinator: not immediately, if ever
03:34.31simNIXit keeps spare listeners open
03:35.05simNIXnumber of them you can setif you need light on ram I recomend try lighttpd
03:35.08cantidoduckinator: AFAIK the php processes are recycled and if they've allocated a bunch of memory they hold onto it
03:35.09cantidoduckinator: lighttpd + fast cgi php might be a better idea if you only have 128MB of ram
03:35.30duckinatorexciting
03:35.41freakazoid0223isn't it?
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03:35.58duckinatorcantido: i get what you mean though... but you'd think it'd count php as a separate process to prevent it from becoming the largest RAM whore imaginable :\
03:36.00simonrvnduckinator, simNIX: yeh, littpd and php-(f)cgi will be less demanding on RAM
03:36.00Jidsyay netsplit!
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03:37.07duckinatorwow
03:37.07simNIXeven more - )
03:37.08cantidoduckinator: you can set the maximum number of apache servers (and linked php's) and give them a small max requests limit so they get recycled more often
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03:37.51duckinatorcantido: alright, i'll poke around the apache config before bothering seting up a whole new httpd
03:37.51cantidoduckinator: when php runs as a cgi it will have a seperate process, not with modphp..
03:37.51simonrvnerm, lighttpd even
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03:37.53cantidoduckinator: lighttpd is very simple, I think you'll have more luck in the long run just switching now instead of forcing apache into your shoebox server
03:38.02simonrvnagreed
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03:38.25simonrvntried that, learned the hard way
03:38.51duckinatorok, apache's still having a mental episode
03:38.53duckinatorlighttpd it is
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03:39.06cantidoduckinator: with fastcgi you can configure how many php processes to spawn.. and any php requests will have to wait until one of them is free
03:39.06pickcoderwhat's wrong with apache?
03:39.17duckinatorpickcoder: if i load any php page, it uses 12MB RAM and refuses to release it
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03:39.39pickcoderso don't write buggy php
03:39.39duckinatorpickcoder: and it loads the full 12MB max that php can use, instead of what's needed for the instance php to run -.-
03:39.54duckinatorpickcoder: my test page is a html document with a .php extension :|
03:39.58duckinatorno html used in it
03:40.05duckinatorer
03:40.07duckinatorno php used in it*
03:40.15simonrvnpickcoder: running mod_php + apache is more ram hungry. with the lighttpd + php-cgi set up, it'll swap a lot less
03:40.23beardyduckinator: http://www.beardy.se/2009/04/03/exchanging-apache2-mpm-prefork-for-apache2-mpm-worker-and-using-php5-cgi-on-debian-to-improve-performance
03:40.42simonrvni have a box here with 332 mb ram
03:40.43cantidoduckinator: your vps host has given you some swap right?
03:40.47pickcoderit's more RAM hungry because of the bloated code people run under it
03:41.02simonrvnbeardy: that'll be ok too
03:41.03pickcoderyou can run fastcgi under apache too, but I've never done it
03:41.13cantidopickcoder: he said he has just html with a .php extension..
03:41.17beardy164MB.
03:41.42pickcodercantido: I may be wrong but I think it caches a heap for each process
03:41.44simonrvnlighty's half that, with mod_cache, and 1/3 that without it, on my box
03:41.46beardy400MB swap.
03:41.51duckinator<pickcoder> it's more RAM hungry because of the bloated code people run under it <-- can't you read?
03:41.53beardyThat's my total..
03:42.08pickcoderduckinator: I can read fine
03:42.12cantidoduckinator: you might want to look into "printing" your pages with php-cli and a cronjob too, anything that can be semi-static
03:42.43Jidshow do i get Debian to give me WPA/WPA2 options as well as just plain old WEP?
03:42.55beardyJids: wpasupplicant
03:42.57pickcoderJids: wpasupplicant
03:43.01simonrvn58144 for 1 process, threaded (with that mod_cache)
03:43.04cantidopickcoder: yeah, I'm sure it'll run if he sets the php limit right down and caps the max servers in apache to a sensible number.. but with 128meg of ram.. ouch
03:43.06pickcoderecho "echo"
03:43.20Jidsbeardy, pickcoder: i can get that through Synaptic?
03:43.31beardyJids: Yes.
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03:43.59beardyJids: The prefered and recommended package system tool to use is aptitude though. But yes, of course.
03:44.02pickcoderwouldn't it make sense to write CGI apps in C if you're _that_ limited on RAM?
03:44.04Jidsand... how do i get Debian to realize that i've got a monitor that supports 1280x1024 and not 1280x800?
03:44.06cantidoon a good day one of the servers here with 2gb of ram will have enough apache processes running that it has 16GB or something allocated.. hehehe
03:44.15pickcoderor even in Perl for that matter
03:44.16iamtheobjectYou can always use a software swap program to add more swap to a linux machine
03:44.20iamtheobjectlike swapd or something
03:44.21beardypickcoder: Who wants to and is able to?
03:44.22Jidsbeardy: either... i prefer Synaptic right now because i don't have an inet connection - i've got all 5 dvds w/ me :(
03:44.30iamtheobjectduckinator,
03:44.41beardyJids: That's totally irrelevant, but as long as you're happy.
03:44.50duckinatoriamtheobject: it's a VPS, i'm not sure they'd be happy about that :P
03:44.52cantidoor just run a httpd that's more suitable for the machine ...
03:44.55pickcoderbeardy: when you have a quad-core server with 4GB no one cares about C when there's PHP and it's limitless scope
03:44.56Jidsbeardy: it seems i have wpasupplicant... how do i get it to work?
03:45.22iamtheobjectduckinator,  swapd just uses your current harddrive space as swap, I don't see why they would mind, I wouldn't care if you were using one of my vps's
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03:45.42duckinatori had apache + php + ruby on rails working in 128MB RAM before, i dont get wtf is so different
03:45.46cantidoiamtheobject: if it's swapping interactivity is going to be pretty low..
03:45.55pickcoderuntil you hit performance implications of running an interpreted language as resource hogging as PHP
03:45.58cantidoduckinator: one concurrent user?
03:46.08duckinatorcantido: hm?
03:46.13redstickhmm, why is my system not using any swap...
03:46.28iamtheobjectyeah, might just need more ram then
03:46.40cantidopickcoder: php isn't as bad as glassfish/tomcat + some oversize spring application..
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03:46.56pickcoderI never said tomcat was an angel either... :)
03:46.58duckinatorcantido: it was a little 750MHz Pentium 3 w/ 128MB PC-100 RAM and a 20GB hard drive -- no users were logged in except via ssh to change a config or somethin -- and it handled that fine...
03:47.07pickcoderI loathe anything with Java related to it
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03:47.54simonrvnpickcoder: which is why i gave up running php at all. there's two places that run php here, and a lot of the stuff is pre-compiled for both.
03:47.56cantidoduckinator: with 128meg of ram you'll need to write all your dynamic stuff in assembly to get any sort of concurrency
03:48.08duckinatorcantido: oh you mean concurrent viewers?....
03:48.08beardy!wpasupplicant
03:48.08dpkgi guess wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access.  A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package.  Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs).  Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.  http://wiki.debian.org/WPA  http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant
03:48.12simonrvni also got rid of mysql \o/ me
03:48.15beardyJids: ^^^
03:48.18pickcoderPython seems to be coming up, but I don't have time to play
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03:48.25cantidopickcoder: Java has it's place..
03:48.32Jidsty beardy
03:48.37duckinatorcantido: it worked fine for ~5 concurrent views... which is all it really needed... this should be able to pull off at least that
03:48.43pickcodermaybe one day when my 10 contintually refilling project slots are empty
03:48.46beardyJids: You're welcome.
03:48.49pickcoder~continually
03:48.51cantidoduckinator: yes that should be fine then
03:49.00pickcodercantido: not really, IMO
03:49.18duckinatorcantido: yea, it should... but nope, it's crapping itself constantly :( i guess i just have to stab the config a bit more
03:49.24pickcoderyou can do any of it in a byte-compiled language and get tons better performance
03:49.50cantidopickcoder: it's not so much the language, it's all the stuff you get from the standard libraries and specs.
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03:50.56cantido<3 JPA :)
03:51.34cantidoduckinator: try lighttpd, and check your php.ini.. you need to scale everything right back
03:51.35duckinatorpickcoder: you say you have no problem reading, then read the damn message where i mentioned a little cruddy Pentium 3 from 2000 running better than this VPS is, then consider that my VPS gets 2 cores (idk how much the machine has) at 3GHz (iirc)
03:52.02duckinatorpickcoder: yes a compiled language would be *BETTER*, but i shouldn't have to compile my whole damn site just for it to work
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03:52.46pickcoderduckinator: cheers
03:53.14cantidoduckinator: VPS' are pretty shit for hosting to be honest
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03:53.44duckinatorcantido: but i dont see how it works out that it should have better specs than my old server, but perform worse
03:53.58pickcoderVPS lie, to be honest
03:54.07pickcoderyou're probably sharing those two cores with a dozen hosts
03:54.07cantidoduckinator: because the real hardware is switching context between multiple kernels all the time
03:54.08iamtheobjectvps's rock for hosting
03:54.30j_nw1hi.. I have a lenny server installation.. no GUI. I want to add GUI to it.. what package groups should I install ?
03:54.31duckinatorpickcoder: the CPU usage has never hit above 2% while i was ssh'd to it, so the CPU isn't an issue...
03:54.40pickcoderduckinator: ok
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03:54.53beardyYou have I/O lag when sharing things, the RAM matters more, and more reasons.
03:54.58cantidoduckinator: is that your containers virtualised usage or the actual stats?
03:55.26cantidoduckinator: with VPS you'll find your container either gets no cpu time or is always waiting for IO to happen
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03:55.58duckinatorwell, either way... it's performing fine, apache just wants to eat all my RAM
03:56.11Sashihow can i write to a file and save it  using a script?
03:56.12cantidoduckinator: php.ini
03:56.18beardyTry mpm-worker like I suggested.
03:57.13beardySashi: man bash, use redirection, 'ls > foo' writes to "foo", 'ls >> foo' appends to "foo".
03:57.45Sashikk thx
03:57.57pickcoderworker may be more efficient in terms of initial overhead but mod_php can kill Apache quickly under it
03:58.02beardy!absg Sashi
03:58.02dpkgSashi: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'aptitude install abs-guide'.
03:58.05beardyis nice too
03:58.08pickcodersomething to consider
03:58.11Sashitjx
03:58.26beardypickcoder: That's true.
03:58.50pickcoderthe general advice for mod_php is to only use fork for high traffic
03:58.57Sashimod_php is heavy
03:59.04cantidoif he's not got many concurrent users he doesn't really need a server with loads of crazy threading shizzle etc
03:59.05Sashimod_fastcgi :)
03:59.20cantidohe could get away with tighttpd and php via cgi
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04:15.45FreeYourPantsHey guys, for some reason using apt-get and installing php5, Sushosin is also installed by default... how can I like.. get rid of it?
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04:16.37DanDareI cant understand how this works. I have etch installed on /dev/hda2, with grub at MBR and all. Installed Lenny now on /dev/hdb1 and added to menu.lst: http://pastebin.com/m60a5dc11 . After grub-install /dev/hda what i get trying to load Lenny is: "Booting ´Lenny´ | root (hd1,0) | Filesystem type is ext2, partition type 0x83 | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 | root=/dev/hda2 ro single | Error 2: Bad file or directory type | Pres
04:16.46DanDareMaybe i did something the last time with grub that i did not now. Any clue ?
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04:17.24cantidoFreeYourPants: if its a module (can't remember if it is, or a patch),.. just disable it in /etc/php/conf.d/..
04:17.38FreeYourPantsSadly it's a patch :(
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04:18.09cantidoFreeYourPants: maybe there's an option to disable it, otherwise you'd have to rebuild it without sushosin
04:18.21FreeYourPantsAye
04:18.32FreeYourPantsall I can find via the great google machine is rebuilding it after deleting the patch
04:18.39FreeYourPantsI guess that's the only option
04:18.43DanDarePS: i did not configured any grub when installing Lenny :/ but used Etch´s one
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04:20.16simNIXDanDare, in grub bootmenu you can do e - then you can edit and even have commandline - you can use tab to double check numbering and use find to search certain files on a partiton
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04:20.50cantidoFreeYourPants: if you get the source for the deb with apt, it's just going to be a case of removing the patch from debian/patches and then maybe removing it from the patch list and doing dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot :)
04:20.59simNIXFreeYourPants, whay wdo you want to loose security enhancement as that ?
04:21.20justecoI have a new EVGA nforce 730i MB.  Debian 5.01 stops at a message saying it is loading the kernel and never goes any further.
04:21.31FreeYourPantsSushosin causes seg faults throughout my application(s), it's built for insecure apps written badly, not decently written apps
04:21.37ac_slateranyone here running a macbook?
04:21.49cantidoac_slater: yes
04:21.51FreeYourPantscantido, yeh I'm rebuilding it now
04:21.55FreeYourPantstwiddles thumbs
04:22.08simNIXif there writen decent then why not investigate why they segfualt ?
04:22.15cantidoFreeYourPants: you should maybe investigate what happens in your scripts and report it..
04:22.23simNIXintead of putting door more open
04:22.27FreeYourPantsI'd rather just remove Sushosin
04:22.33cantidoall php devs seem to think their scripts are top notch though.. heh
04:22.34ac_slatercantido: with debian?
04:22.38cantidoac_slater: yes
04:22.50FreeYourPantsI've had other issues with it in the past, too
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04:23.03ac_slatercantido: man ive been trying to get my trackpad to respond to the synaptics driver ... and no luck.
04:23.09FreeYourPantsIt's not really a great idea to force include it in the package
04:23.22simNIXI disagree
04:23.29cantidoac_slater: what model of macbook is it? it works fine with mine, but its an older 2.16ghz one
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04:23.36simNIXbut that more personal pref
04:23.48ac_slatercantido, mine is a white 2.16ghz as well... gen 2
04:23.54justecowhat kernel version comes with 5.01?
04:24.04ac_slater2.6.29 i think
04:24.06FreeYourPantsIt's not stable enough to be included, imo
04:24.14cantidoac_slater: mm I just copied and pasted the config from the wiki page
04:24.25ac_slaterfor the fdi?
04:24.32ac_slateror for xorg.conf?
04:24.54cantidoFreeYourPants: maybe report it as a bug,.. maybe there could be two packages or something, if enough people agree with you
04:25.02cantidoac_slater: xorg
04:25.07ac_slateri see.
04:25.12ac_slatercould i ask you a favor?
04:25.22ac_slatercould you email me your xorg.conf ...
04:25.42FreeYourPantscantido, good idea
04:25.58cantidoac_slater: the built in touchpad is pretty useless though.. most of the time it ignores taps :/
04:26.06cantidoac_slater: I'll paste it somewhere, just a sec
04:26.09ac_slateri hate taps
04:26.10ac_slaterthanks
04:26.46cantidodisabling taps is a good idea, because the pad is the same level of the keyboard you get taps while typing
04:27.02ac_slateryeah i know
04:27.06ac_slateri hate taps
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04:27.22ac_slaterwith archlinux, i believe they compiled the kernel with synaptics support
04:27.28ac_slateri wish deb did that
04:28.11cantidoac_slater: http://pastebin.com/m1438df3a
04:28.33cantidoac_slater: you don't have to use the synaptics driver though.. only if you want tapping
04:28.42sarguruhello,im encountering some problems with my apt on lenny
04:28.51sargurusome 1 pl help me
04:28.56sarguruits urgent
04:29.00ac_slateri believe you need it (as well as the appletouch module to get vert two finger scrolling
04:29.07cantidosarguru: just ask your question
04:29.30sargurumy apt is not wrking properly
04:29.42cantidoac_slater: I just use a mouse really.. the internal pad only gets used when I can't find the mouse or I'm out and about
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04:29.59ac_slaterlol nice, thanks for your help, if i find anything cool, ill let you know
04:30.02sarguruErr http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg
04:30.02sarguru<PROTECTED>
04:30.03sarguruErr http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch/main Translation-en_US
04:30.03sarguru<PROTECTED>
04:30.03sarguruErr http://ftp2.de.debian.org etch/non-free Translation-en_US
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04:30.38cantidoac_slater: I wouldn't buy a macbook for debian again, thats for sure ;)
04:30.40sarguruW: Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/contrib/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
04:30.43sarguruW: Failed to fetch http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/dists/lenny/Release.gpg  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.iitm.ac.in'
04:30.46sarguruW: Failed to fetch http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/dists/lenny/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.iitm.ac.in'
04:30.49sarguruW: Failed to fetch http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/dists/lenny/non-free/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.iitm.ac.in'
04:30.50cantidosarguru: sounds like your dns is broken
04:30.54sarguruW: Failed to fetch http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/dists/lenny/contrib/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.iitm.ac.in'
04:30.56cantidosarguru: ps. stop pasting
04:30.57sarguruW: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignor
04:31.01sarguruk
04:31.03sargurusorru
04:31.05sargurusorry
04:31.09sargurumay be
04:31.16sargurui have a two face interface
04:31.25cantidosarguru: does $ping google.com; work?
04:31.35sarguruill plug one off and try wrkin
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04:32.00dorihow do I get the license of each .deb package installed on a system?
04:32.14sarguruthanks
04:32.30sarguruit din strike  in ma mind cantido
04:32.36DanDaresimNIX, it show up in the screen just one grub entry.. altought i have 2 that actually works... can see the Lenny one alse
04:32.41sarguruthanks a lot cantido
04:32.54cantidosarguru: Temporary failure resolving.. that should have clicked ;)
04:33.02DanDaresimNIX, *cant see the lenny one also*
04:33.07sarguruyeah
04:33.28sargurubut u kno i should finish  migrating the gateway in a day
04:33.44sargurucantido, workstress :-\
04:34.02sargurunewayz, thanks a lot......
04:35.56DanDaresimNIX, got it now... sorry, thanks
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04:41.08simNIXnp
04:41.11DanDareWow, inside grub menu did #grub > find HD0. and the PC restarted quickly
04:42.05MadMoney!resolve 4.0 tostringplease
04:42.22MadMoneyLenny?
04:42.41simNIXLenny = Debian's stable name
04:44.21MadMoneyI thought stable was Sarge.
04:44.30MadMoneyI mean Potato.
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04:44.38cantidoMadMoney: /topic
04:44.49MadMoneyI think I have Potato. What is that?
04:45.02cantidoMadMoney: old old old old old stable
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04:45.31simNIXMadMoney, try http://www.debian.org/releases/
04:45.43DanDaresarge is the old old stable :D
04:46.29simNIXboy im getting old - )
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04:47.23DanDareit happens all the time
04:47.40MadMoneyI can't find libircclient in apt.
04:47.44simNIXno worries - its one certanty
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04:49.47craigevilMadMoney:  libircclient1
04:50.06sargurucantido, u dr?
04:50.38sargurunw it is saying connection refused 111
04:50.59MadMoneyCan't find either one in apt.
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04:51.12MadMoneySo I am installing Sid deb packages with dpkg -i.
04:51.22craigevilit shows up with apt-cache search at least it does in sid
04:51.26DanDareeven weird (or not?), i did configured grub in floppy at Lenny install. It boots until login but do not loads lot of things.. My last Lenny install, the same method, hardware etc.. grub did the job and everything was loaded at boot (including bttv and everything).
04:51.57craigevilMadMoney:  its is in testing as well
04:51.58sarguruapt-get upgrade says connection refused?????
04:52.15DanDarei mean grub did the job from HD in that one
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04:52.18MadMoneysarguru: Fix your sources.lst
04:52.43sargurui chkd t
04:52.45sarguruts fine
04:53.02sarguruor you pl tell me d url once
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04:53.20sarguruof any stable lenny repo
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04:54.22cantidosarguru: ftp.debian.org
04:54.41sargurufull url
04:54.47craigevildeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free  you can change the countrycode to whatever
04:55.00sarguruthanks\
04:55.05sargurulemmy try out
04:55.37simNIXmaybe try Apt-spy or Netselect-apt to get sources.list with geograficily fastest ones to you
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04:57.06cantidosimNIX: IIRC ftp.debian.org picks the closest server to you automagically
04:57.21simNIXow
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04:57.45simNIXsmart Linux that Debian - )
04:57.55MadMoneyapt-get update is giving me errors about NO_PUBKEY :(
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04:58.18simNIXnow to smarten its users :)
04:58.33cantidosimNIX: actually, maybe it's random.. just got a server in NL.. wrong side of the world :/
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04:58.45DanDareMadMoney, do you have any aditional sources.list entries than not the distro automatic ones ?
04:58.47MadMoneyGPG error NO_PUBKEY :S
04:58.51MadMoneyYes
04:58.59DanDarewich are ?
04:59.09MadMoneyI added testing and an entry for a Debian server.
04:59.15DanDareahh ok
04:59.21DanDarebut not any third party one ?
04:59.33MadMoneyRight
04:59.36simNIXor backports
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05:00.13MadMoneydeb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch contrib main testing   Is this okay?
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05:00.31craigevilno
05:00.45MadMoneyI'm getting those GPG NO_PUBKEY errors and testing generates a 404 not found.
05:01.05craigevilchange it to testing main contrib
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05:01.12simNIXdo yuo run etch ?
05:01.20MadMoneyYees
05:01.23MadMoney4.0
05:01.49simNIXdeb ftp://ftp.simnix.info/Linux/Debian etch main non-free contrib
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05:02.01simNIXmodify ftp bit
05:02.23DanDareit´s not clueless to have "testing" in a etch install ?
05:02.27MadMoneyBut I need testing for libircclient1 :S
05:02.28DanDareanyway ...
05:02.41MadMoneyNah ;)
05:02.46DanDareok
05:02.52simNIXthen ad another line with deb ftp://ftp.simnix.info/Linux/Debian testing main non-free contrib
05:02.54MadMoneyWhat would possibly go wrong? :)
05:02.57simNIXI would gues
05:03.03simNIXsince mixing dont sound great
05:03.26DanDare"testing" in etch sounds like a developer guy ?
05:03.28simNIXbreakige
05:03.42simNIXsince you mix versions that may byte / are incompatible
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05:05.03MadMoneyHmm, looks aptitude is "fixing" 142 packages including libc and the kernel now that I changed the etch until to testing.
05:05.14MadMoneyWe'll see bad this is as an experiment. :)
05:05.34MadMoneyIt's not going to delete my stuff or anything. :)
05:05.45simNIXIf you dont mind breakige more power to ya - )
05:06.06MadMoneylibc and binutils are downloading. This could be phun. :)
05:06.14craigevil"fixing" hahaha going from etch>testing all hell will break lose
05:06.16ssmsimNIX: breakage builds character :)
05:06.21simNIXyeah
05:06.30simNIXbut hey if its someones cuppa - )
05:06.46MadMoneyThis is going to be "phun."
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05:07.05sargurudude
05:07.19sarguruu kno f‌inally what worked
05:07.24sargurua simple reboot
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05:07.36MadMoneyaptitude is letting me do it, so what could possibly be wrong? :)
05:07.41cantidothen you find your system is unworkable because some vital bit doesn't like some mismatched library and it's not so fun any more..
05:07.43dorican anyone tell me how I can find the license associated with each debian package?
05:07.57kPb_inhello friends.. i downloaded weekly build last week (15th june).. but it doesnt detect my hard disk.. read somewhere that the issue is with libparted... any idea how to solve this??
05:08.35MadMoneycantido: Hopefully I'll get lucky and everything will work still.
05:08.48simNIXIf I needed bits in testing I would do a fresh testing install but that conservative me ..
05:09.12simNIXMadMoney, I'm said to say; probably not
05:09.15cantidoMadMoney: upgrading from etch to testing should be fine, running bits of testing in stable might be an issue..
05:09.16simNIXI hope im wrong
05:09.20MadMoneyOkay, it is messing with Samba and Apache. Now I'm worried my file share is going to go offline...
05:09.34cantidoMadMoney: also you're going from etch to testing.. not etch to lenny to testing..
05:09.55cantidoMadMoney: it will go offline
05:10.30MadMoneyWell, my network drive is gone from Windows Explorer... so it is phucked. :(
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05:10.50simNIXhmm this has taste of kamikaze adminstrator - )
05:10.58MadMoneyHmm, putty isn't logging in.
05:11.20MadMoneydrags over a monitor.
05:11.22cantidosimNIX: or guy with a "linux server"
05:11.35DanDareits good to mess and destruct some installs
05:11.41simNIXyeah tru - it can be educational
05:11.44sarguruis there a separate irc for apt
05:11.47simNIXtru
05:11.49DanDarewhen you´re still getting used to the thing :D
05:12.03MadMoneyOkay, samba won't start but everything else is good.
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05:13.32MadMoneyDebian installs are like cockroaches... they can't be killed.
05:14.23DanDareyou´re messing too much
05:14.27cantidoMadMoney: you don't have to be in this channel long to see that just isn't the case
05:14.46DanDareor maybe not
05:15.28DanDarenot all debian installs will fall over messing hands, i hope just more people installing it :D
05:17.04craigevilits close though as long as dpkg/apt/aptitude aren't trashed most things can be fixed, other than the idiots that delete entire directories like /var and /usr
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05:18.02MadMoneyhttp://www.htmlbucket.com/demo/ - My boss won't kill me, Apache survived.
05:18.59MadMoneyI fixed the missing /var/ on NetBSD once.
05:19.16simNIXIthis si a production box ?
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05:20.22cantidothat page is all broken here, heh
05:21.03MadMoneycantido: Seriously?
05:21.22ssmMadMoney: layout-wise, it needs a bit of work, but the webserver seems to be working
05:21.23MadMoneyWhat browser?
05:21.28cantidoyeah, you also have style mixed in with your markup all over the place
05:21.45MadMoneyDoes it render really broken?
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05:21.59simNIXnah hes kidding - )
05:22.07simNIXit just lokos bad
05:22.18MadMoneycantido: It's a replacement for this: http://www.fieldstonequickstop.com I'm not getting paid for it, so.
05:22.21simNIXfor a business
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05:22.33cantidoThe "our other stores" bit has some bad overflow,.. like its hanging out of the box
05:22.41MTecknologyAnyone know where I can find Luigi Gangitano?
05:22.43ssmMadMoney: just in the "our other stores" box, like cantido says
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05:22.54MadMoneyWhat browser? What resolution?
05:23.08MadMoneyIs it worse than its predecessor? :)
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05:23.14cantidoGecko/2009061317 Iceweasel/3.0.11 (Debian-3.0.11-1)
05:23.16simNIXff 3 1024x(dont know)
05:23.19simNIX800
05:23.26cantido1280x800 I think..
05:23.34MadMoneyHmm.
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05:24.07ssmmadmoney: firefox/3.0.6, 1600x1200
05:24.26MadMoneyIt's my fault for doing position: absolute. I need to fix that site when I learn more about HTML.
05:24.30MadMoneyCSS
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05:24.46simNIXmaybe go for modx or simuliar
05:24.53simNIXthen once look is good
05:24.56simNIXno coding needed
05:25.27MadMoney<PROTECTED>
05:25.32cantidoyeah, there are plently of "drop you own content/logo in" php systems out there
05:25.42simNIXhere you can try a lot; http://www.opensourcecms.com/
05:26.07MadMoneyYeah.
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05:26.38MadMoneyI'd like to think I don't suck at web development though. Apparently, I have more to do on it.
05:26.52cantidoif you don't want to use some cms, you can always do a bit of cheating and re-use stuff like YUI
05:26.59simNIXyou dont suck if you take cms IMHO
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05:27.12simNIXthen you can focus on css and such tat makes look
05:27.24simNIXand just edit like you do in a word editor in the page
05:27.25ssmsimNIX: separate content from presentation, yes
05:27.30simNIXyup
05:27.58cantidosimNIX: mmm there's loads of existing tested grids and stuff out there..
05:27.59ssmsimNIX: but for a site that's going to have 5 pages, it may be overkill :)
05:28.28simNIXthen if you want new look content stays look changes - also you can have menu's auto genrated if pages exist and lots of plugin code exist to expand functionality
05:28.33ssmlikes plone, which is overkill for almost anything...
05:28.39simNIXtru
05:29.49cantidossm: for that page he should just knock up the layout with YUI grinds or something, then paste the text in the right holes ;)
05:29.55cantidossm: *grids
05:29.58ssmI should possibly write one myself, based on make and m4 :)
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05:30.35ssmcantido: sounds useful for simple sites, and that's how many GUI web page design programs seem to work, too
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05:31.51cantidossm: mm with dreamweaver etc you usually end up with a mess.. get a nice css/js library and if you can do basic markup and attach the right classes, you can have a nice site that works across browsers
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05:32.11ssmcantido: across _most_ browsers :P
05:32.37simNIXacross all browsers that dont wanna be weird - )
05:32.43ssm:)
05:33.22cantidossm: well, you can't win them all. Like there are rendering differences for fonts on FF between "linux" and macosx
05:34.15ssmcantido: yes, I'm glad I'm not doing much web development.
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05:34.51cantidofixing ie6 bugs is like 50% of development time heh
05:35.18simonrvnfuck ie
05:35.23ssmcantido: judging from the developers here at work, that's about right :)
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05:36.01cantidosimonrvn: you're a bit fucked if it's a commercial venture, it basically has to work on ie6
05:36.17ssmsimonrvn: when paying customers use it, we have to make it work and look good
05:37.04simonrvni don't, so i don't care ;)
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05:38.35cantidoI just hope people get the idea that web browsers are really for displaying text and graphics and not some thin client portable runtime sooner rather than later..
05:39.27ssmcantido: that's sooo 90s :)
05:39.31Manojwhat are thin client but a layer that displays text and graphics?
05:39.51cantidowe've got clients that can't upgrade from ie6 because they have some business critical application that is browser based.. if your browser colour is ie6
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05:42.44MadMoneyBrowser colour?
05:42.52cantidoManoj: well, browsers will probably just become a container for flash or something.. so we'll do away with the whole markup non-sense.. sigh
05:43.13cantidoMadMoney: you can have any colour, as long as that colour is black.
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05:50.15teclo-moshe moshe ?
05:51.21cantidoteclo-: moshi moshi jan?
05:51.59teclo-where is the japanese language debian channel ?
05:52.27cantido#debian-japanese
05:52.29Jidscan anyone help me get my resolution up to 1280x1024? my system will only go to x800 max
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05:53.43cantidoteclo-: no one talks in there though, the japanese user mailing list is usually a better place
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06:00.45sarguruis thr anyway to recover a deleted directory in debian
06:00.49sargurupl help
06:01.01cantidosarguru: depends on the fs, usually not I think..
06:01.09simonrvnsarguru: backups
06:01.11jleedev!undelete
06:01.11dpkgLinux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files.  For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu.  For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>.  With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL.  Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
06:01.12sarguruon ext3
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06:05.12sarguru!undelete
06:05.13dpkgLinux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files.  For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu.  For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>.  With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL.  Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
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06:06.19jleedevwell, on ext3, the first thing to do is avoid writing to the affected partition, and the second thing to do is start trawling
06:06.32jleedevi haven't used ext3grep myself
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06:09.11jpinxsarguru: ddrescue
06:09.21xabiusing debian 5 but since i need a really up to date desktop what distro do you guys recommend ?
06:09.34aeturnushello, I get error install linux-image (i skipped the kernel image installation on install because it failed there too) error is.  Running mkinitramfs-kpkg; readlink:missing operand; Try `readlink --help' for more information; mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image..etc etc..any ideas?
06:09.40sargurujpinix pl elaborate
06:10.01jpinxsarguru: or dd_rescue - I can never remember which
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06:10.14jpinx!ddrescue
06:10.14dpkgdd_rescue in ddrescue package is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition.  Unlike dd, it will keep going on despite errors.  It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards.
06:10.30aeturnusi'm using a daily build of debianinstaller, maybe thats the reason? anyone I can't install a kernel image :(
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06:11.02jpinxsarguru:  does that tell you?
06:11.06sargurucommand nt found
06:11.23jleedev!installit
06:11.24dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
06:11.27sarguruma /var directory got deleted accidentally
06:11.34jpinxsarguru:  you'll need to install it
06:11.44sarguruma pat doesnt wrk
06:11.54sargurucos ma /var got deleted
06:11.59sargurui want to recover dat
06:12.03aeturnussarguru: incompetence or corruption :)
06:12.04jpinxjudd: versions ddrescue
06:12.04dondelelcarosarguru: restore it from backups
06:12.04juddjpinx: ddrescue -- etch: 1.10-1 lenny: 1.13-3 sid: 1.13-3 squeeze: 1.13-3
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06:12.34aeturnusso can anyone help me? I have no kernel, apt-get install linux-image-amd64 fails :(
06:12.40sarguruactually my stupidity
06:13.06sarguruu kno anyway to recover t back
06:13.12jpinxsarguru: sounds like save ?home and reinstall;)
06:13.21aeturnussarguru: forget it, reinstall.
06:13.36sargurureinstall d whole system or wat
06:13.58jpinxsarguru:  save /home and reinstall
06:14.14MadMoneyMadonna - Dress You Up
06:14.14sargurui don hav anythn in /home
06:14.18simNIXand save./etc
06:14.29sargurui hav everythn in /etc
06:14.34simNIXif anything modified there
06:14.36sarguruin /usr/src
06:15.46jpinxsarguru: save whatever you want and reinstall
06:16.13Manoj<PROTECTED>
06:16.26Manojsince the status file thgere has a record of what was installed
06:16.52jleedevyou can also just save a dump of 'dpkg -l' and diff it after reinstall
06:16.59jpinxManoj: afaik he's deleted /var
06:17.07Manojno, dpkg --get-selection
06:17.24Manojthat can be fed back to dpkg --set-selection on the new machine
06:17.35jleedevnice one
06:17.43Manojhowever, if /var is gone, dpkg has had a lobotomy
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06:18.25jpinxexactly;)
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06:21.19jpinxbash history might be worth looking through for manually installed stuff
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06:22.54aeturnusis lenny stable with amd64?
06:23.03ssmaeturnus: yes
06:23.12aeturnusi can't install an image.
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06:23.35Brunewhats a _GOOD_ firewall for linux (good being something simular to pf/ipfw)
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06:24.07ssmBrune: host firewall, or a router firewall?
06:24.13Brunehost
06:24.15ssmBrune: or a transparent firewall?
06:24.16aeturnushello, I get error install linux-image (i skipped the kernel image installation on install because it failed there too) error is.  Running mkinitramfs-kpkg; readlink:missing operand; Try `readlink --help' for more information; mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image..etc etc..any ideas?
06:24.31ssmBrune: ufw from ubuntu is useful, otherwise I've had good experience with shorewall
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06:24.52aeturnuswhats a stable debianinstaller?
06:25.07aeturnusor is it just daily builds?
06:25.09ssmBrune: but everything is just a frontend for handling iptables/netfilter rules
06:25.13Bruneisnn't ufw basically iptables with ubuntu wrappings
06:25.24jpinxaeturnus: see debian.org
06:25.36ssmBrune: everything is iptables wrapper
06:25.46aeturnusjpinx: this is lenny
06:25.51jpinxBrune: iptables
06:25.59Bruneiptables is crap.
06:26.09aeturnusfirst installed debian in 99 but is disappointed in this error.
06:26.20ssmBrune: it's good shit :P
06:26.32Brunessm: shits still shit.
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06:26.39jpinxaeturnus: what is the trouble with lenny?
06:26.51ssmBrune: 1 billion flies can't be wrong.  What's your trouble with it?
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06:26.56jpinxBrune: it works :p
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06:27.13Bruneso youre telling me theres not one good firewall for linux?
06:27.30Brunessm: i wouldn't even say 100k people use/like iptables
06:27.36aeturnusjpinx: damn..i installed lenny with a devel installer :/
06:27.41jpinxBrune:  you've been given some ideas
06:27.45aeturnusmy bad :/
06:27.56jpinxaeturnus: ;)
06:27.56Brunejpinx: i've been giving the same thing over and over again...
06:27.58ssmBrune: a good policy makes a good firewall.  I have several fierwalls here handling gigabit streams with iptables
06:28.21jpinxBrune:  giyf
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06:28.40ssmBrune: if you need features missing from iptables, there's a lot of other free OSes to choose from
06:28.47Brunejpinx: ??
06:28.48aeturnusjpinx: I've been in hell for about 5 years (gentoo)
06:29.00jpinxno need to come in here and rubbish the answers you get
06:29.07Brunessm: yeah ill just put a router box in front or something
06:29.15Brunejpinx: its on answer
06:29.21Brunejpinx: one*
06:29.26jpinxaeturnus: welcome back to sanity
06:29.43jpinxshorewall was suggested
06:29.51Bruneill look into shorewall
06:29.56jpinxand I told you giyf
06:29.58ssmBrune: what are your requirements for the firewall?
06:30.05Brunewtf is giyf?
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06:30.27jpinxbrune stop rubbishing what you are offered and do your own legwork
06:30.39Brunessm: something that can securely handle attacks.
06:30.44Brunejpinx: wiys sawjds
06:30.49jpinxgoogle is your friend
06:31.10Brunejpinx: i have been googling most the things you have said but i cant google it all and type responses.
06:31.20ssmBrune: that's kind of a vague requirement.  If you allow application traffic, you also need to secure the applications.  The firewall won't necessarily help.
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06:31.41billcollectorI am a debt collector. Pay your fucking credit card bill before I send the goons!
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06:31.53Brunessm: that is true but im busy enough with a pissing contest with jpinx that my answer was decent.
06:31.59aeturnusdoesn't have a CC
06:32.01ssmBrune: :)
06:32.05MadMoney:o
06:32.11Brunessm: s/was/wasn't
06:32.16aeturnusBrune: IRC
06:32.20jpinxbrune :)
06:32.36Bruneaeturnus: ... AIM!
06:32.49Brunesorry are we just yelling out messaging protos?
06:32.49aeturnusirritating reality check?
06:33.31BruneArguing while Imitating Midgets?
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06:34.01jpinxBrune: it depends entirely on what you want, and it is totally non-debian-specific
06:34.11aeturnusBLOG?
06:34.14Brunejpinx: what?
06:34.23ssmBrune: a firewall can help you prevent access to services, it won't necessarily "securely handle attacks".  Some firewalls have features that limit the damage from low-volume DOS attacks, like FreeBSD's http connection buffering that sends complete requests to the application, and holds other things.
06:34.24aeturnusBullsh*t LOGger.
06:34.25Bruneaeturnus: Blow Long Oral Gases?
06:34.31aeturnusi like that.
06:34.32jpinxBrune:  maybe try ##linux
06:34.53aeturnusthe work Blog is banned from our systems.
06:34.55Brunejpinx: yeah i will.
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06:35.42aeturnuscan't find a blank CD :(
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06:35.57ssmaeturnus: usb memory stick boot and install?
06:36.18jpinxaeturnus: install from a usb stick
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06:36.27jpinxssm:  ;)
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06:36.33ssm:)
06:37.30aeturnusi'm confused, the installation is "complete" (with out a kernel) however it was from a daily build of "testing" debian installer.  I rebooted (from another image) but apt-get install <image> fails I suspect the "testing" installer screwed everything up.
06:37.55aeturnusso i guess i have some testing stuff, so I need to reinstall
06:38.50cantidoaeturnus: what does it fail on
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06:40.11aeturnusrunning mkinitramfs-kpkg; readlink: missing operand; Failed to create initrd image
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06:42.46cantidoaeturnus: I'd check that your initramfs tools etc are right
06:43.19aeturnusok will do, failing that ill just use the proper installer.
06:43.24aeturnusthanks alot
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06:44.06cantidowonders what he was doing installing with an automated build anyways..
06:44.33jleedev"unstable" wasn't good enough for him
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06:45.08cantidouse untested stuff then bitch if it doesn't work.. sounds good
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06:46.45jpinxsome people enjoy pain ;)
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06:48.13cantidojpinx: yeah, but at least install with a tested installer.. ;)
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06:49.38jpinxthere needs to be a health warning with stuff like that
06:50.44cantidojpinx: I'm pretty sure it says on the d-i page "if you don't have the ability to fix bugs don't install this stuff"
06:50.53cantidoat least it should
06:51.43jpinxit says that in sid
06:51.48jpinx!sid
06:51.48dpkgsid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian.  It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway.  Ask me about <unstable>.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.  It will never be released.  See <sid faq>.
06:52.35cantidomm it just says... you can help us test by downloading a daily build
06:52.45jpinxbut not for daily buuld
06:52.47cantidoshould really mention that it might not work ;)
06:53.28jpinxheh - yea - you can only help test if you can fix it ;)
06:54.37cantidoHis problem probably wasn't such a big issue. sigh
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06:56.12posseWhen I am connecting a bluetooth device in Ubuntu, I get hidraw-devices in /dev/  What are these and why are they generated? Someone?
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07:24.42iamwoodyhey, gus i have a problem:I need to transfer a lot of small files from Server in USA to Server in China. The size of half of those files varies from 400byte to 800byte, while the other half are around 2KB.  The total size is 33GB, 20,000,000 files on an average of 1.5KB each.
07:25.06iamwoodyWhich one of the file system is better for storing those small files, reiserfs or ext3?  And how to assign inode to the files in format?
07:25.33iamwoodyAnd for the transer, which one as follows do you think is better? a: pack up with tar and then transfer with rsync; b: transfer with rsync directly; c: pack up with tar and then transfer with ftp or other tools.
07:25.34iamwoodyIf rsync is used, are the files compressed? And what do you think is better, pack or not?
07:26.57nix_chix0ri've always used reiserfs
07:28.41cantidoiamwoody: rsync can do compression
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07:29.28nix_chix0rcantido, how would you update pidgin with out downloading the source manually
07:29.37nix_chix0rer installing i mean
07:29.44cantidonix_chix0r: on lenny?
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07:30.25nix_chix0rwell i should get the latest pidgin because of the bugs that were fixed supposively
07:30.36nix_chix0rbut obviously you can't download the tar and install it
07:31.02cantidonix_chix0r: if it's lenny you could use a backport, if it's testing/sid just wait until the maintainer packages it
07:31.10iamwoodydebian etch
07:31.11nix_chix0rhmm
07:31.16nix_chix0ryeah maybe i should wait
07:31.23nix_chix0ryahoo is just  being a whore
07:31.40cantidonix_chix0r: there's nothing to stop you installing locally built stuff, thats what */local is for
07:31.56iamwoodyall of the files is small png file
07:32.02nix_chix0rmk
07:32.48cantidonix_chix0r: also, if the upstream source hasn't changed that much you can use uupdate to create an updated package.. nothing is impossible ;)
07:32.48iamwoodyis it necessary to compress?
07:32.55cantidoiamwoody: png is compressed
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07:33.26iamwoodyok , tar and rsync without compress is better ?
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07:33.55iamwoodycantido: thanks
07:34.01cantidoiamwoody: you might gain something from using the compression flag
07:34.29cantidoiamwoody: it's certainly shouldn't break anything
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07:35.28iamwoodycantido: if break happening , you mean i have to retransfer?
07:36.13cantidoiamwoody: no, rsync should only transfer the differences
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07:36.50cantidoiamwoody: man rsync, tells you in the description
07:37.23iamwoodycantido:thanks
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07:43.51hattshi, I've just installed debian lenny on my desktop. the desktop has a wifi adapter, but it doesn't seem to be working (it's an onboard card). what can I do now? should I just move the computer to another room so I can hook it up with a wired connection?
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07:44.32cantidohatts: use lspci to find out what type of card it is, and then install/configure the driver for it
07:45.54hattscantido: ah, so I guess I'll have to shut it down for now and hook it up to a wired connection for to install/configure the driver, hey?
07:46.45majhoolhard to say without more info
07:46.50cantidohatts: maybe, maybe not, you might have all the bits you need
07:49.51bpunhatts, see if wifi has an interface
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07:51.44eevar2where do i find the config files for cryptsetup? that is, to get rid of: "cryptsetup: WARNING: found more than one resume device candidate"
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07:52.24hattshere's the lspci output: http://pastebin.com/m609ec7a5 (I saved it on my usb key)
07:52.31BubbaTHow can I tell which graphics driver is being used?
07:52.35hattsbpun: and how can I achieve that?
07:52.56nkuttlerBubbaT: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
07:52.57hattsbpun: I mean, can you tell me a command I can pass to determine that? :s
07:53.08bpunhatts, well there's always the obvious
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07:53.40bpunhatts, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
07:53.46hattsbpun: I'm thick, obvious things don't often occur to me :) I tried "ipconfig" and "iwconfig" while root, I was returned with "command not found"
07:53.49hattskk, thanks.
07:53.49cantidohatts: can't see any wireless in that lspci..
07:54.04cantidohatts: you need to install wireless-tools then
07:54.22nkuttlerhatts: and add /sbin/ to your $PATH
07:55.04bpunhatts, there's also this page, dunno if its good -> http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
07:55.15majhoolhatts: what kind of wifi adapter is it
07:55.18majhoolusb?
07:56.39bpunhatts, yeah, tell us the model bitch, so we can help you
07:56.39hattsmajhool: I think yes.. it's an onboard one. I'm not sure on the details really.. here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01357110&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=3708937
07:57.03cantidowould have thought it was pci or pci-e if it was onboard
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07:57.58hattsit doesn't mention "wireless" in that page, it does here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01409558&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=3708937
07:58.27_sawHello, I have installed debian Lenny on my Laptop HP Compaq 6720s. The problem is when i close laptop lid, debian freezes.
07:58.30hattsI guess it doesn't mention it there because the wifi adapter is an optionional feature and my desktop happens to have it
07:58.40bpun_saw, lol
07:58.44bpunlaughs
07:59.11majhoolgood links. it's usb, so... the next steb is to see what exactly the wifi adapter is
07:59.20cantidohatts: it isn't listed in the lspci output.. if it's usb you can check with lsusb or looking in /proc or /sys
07:59.25_sawbpun this is not funny :S
08:00.12hattscantido: okay, I'll get a lsusb output up on pastebin then, brb
08:00.13cantido_saw: is it trying to suspend?
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08:00.25bpun_saw, hehhe.. ur funny.. it shouldn't freeze ever!
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08:00.46_sawcantido, i have no idea
08:01.01_sawcantido, oh i see
08:01.07_sawyes is trying to suspend
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08:01.27_sawI will try "do nothing" option
08:01.32cantido_saw: it could be that suspend crashes it.. you can either disable it, or try to fix it
08:02.02cantido_saw: sometimes the machine comes back from suspend but the video is busted, stuff like that
08:02.03bpun_saw, try googling ur model with debian..  likely someone knows about it.. what motherboard model is it?
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08:02.49_sawwhere can i see motherboard info ?
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08:03.18cantidobpun: um, you don't generally select what MB goes into a laptop do you
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08:03.51hattslsusb output: http://pastebin.com/m65e5d173
08:04.05cantido_saw: googling the model of laptop can suspend might help you find a blog or something with the magic settings to make suspend work.. wiki.debian.org might have some info too
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08:05.31bpuncantido, yeah but he doesn't know where to find it.. thats why he's asking..
08:06.04bpun_saw, in actuality, if u know it's hardware good.. otherwise u can specify the laptop model type..
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08:06.40cantidobpun: the only way to find out whats inside a laptop really is to use the smbios data, but that doesnt really help
08:07.17bpuncantido, i dont care what info.. obviously u dont want to progress here..
08:07.19majhoolhatts: well, ID 15a9:0004 seems to be it
08:07.35_sawbpun like i said its HP Compaq 6720s
08:07.38hattsgreat :) what would be the next step?
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08:07.49cantidomajhool: googling that doesn't seem to point to a wifi device :/
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08:08.02cantidomajhool: that usb id is apparently some part of a multicard reader
08:08.32majhooloof
08:08.40cantido_saw: now you know its probably the suspend that's killing it you know where to aim at least :)
08:08.41majhoolwell, dmesg | grep wlan0 ??
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08:09.20cantidoactually according to this page http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73
08:09.29hattscantido: but googling "15a9:0004" gives results about wireless cards and all.. not multicard readers.. here, link: http://www.google.com/search?q=15a9%3A0004&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
08:09.38bpun_saw, try this->  " echo '1' > /proc/acpi/video/*/DOS  "
08:09.43majhoolyeah, i think it might be a ralink...
08:09.49cantidohatts: yeah, read that link i pasted
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08:09.58cantidohatts: instruculations are there
08:10.16bpun_saw, find the "DOS" named special file ..
08:10.18hattsgreat, I'll be back to bug you guys if I come across any problems. thanks very much :)
08:10.41cantidomust have pasted the wrong usb id
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08:11.17hattsah.. so I guess I finally will have to move the desktop near my router to hook it up with a lined connection eh
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08:11.41majhoolseems to be
08:11.47bpun_saw, http://www.marsmenschen.com/content/hp-compaq-2510p-linux-kernel-freeze
08:11.48_sawbpun i did, but i don't see any response
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08:11.52majhoolyou could always set up a wireless laptop as a router
08:12.11bpun_saw, there no "DOS" special file somewhere under /proc/acpi/video ?
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08:12.31hattsmajhool: I'm neither cool enough or smart enough to pull that off, I think. anyway, brb, I'll get this little thing in my other room now :)
08:12.39bpun_ saw, then        echo '1' > to_that_DOS_file
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08:13.13majhoolhatts: aww. good luck on the install
08:14.10_sawbpun yes it is, I just thought there would be some output from comandline :)
08:14.25_sawi will try to close the lid now :)
08:14.29bpun_saw, what's the path of the 'DOS" file?
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08:14.35bpun_saw, ok
08:15.12bpun_saw, if no error messasge popped, then u can do this to verify what's the value->  "cat  path_to_DOS_file"
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08:18.45_sawbpun yup its says dos setting <1>
08:19.11bpun_saw, is this irc app on the laptop.. so it didn't freeze! :)
08:19.27_sawbpun no :(
08:19.39bpun_saw, no!
08:19.56eshkinkothi, i use testing and aptitude. can i install (from command line) only security updates ?
08:19.56_sawbpun but i think it works :)
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08:20.21bpun_saw, hehehe
08:20.43_sawnow i have in setting blank screen when laptop lid closed. And the screen is really blank now :D.
08:20.51_sawthanks bpun
08:21.04bpun_saw, u can try using the options in xorg solution.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=503465
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08:25.13eshkinkotafter start aptitude i see this at top of list: --- Security Updates (15), how can i install only this updates ?
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08:29.42bpuneshkinkot,  learn aptitude crazy guy
08:29.43bpunlol
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08:32.15hattsokay guys..I've gone through the procedure and I see wlan0 as being up now. what utility do you suggest I use for connecting/disconnecting and all that?
08:32.21hattsdoes wicd come by default?
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08:32.39hattsoh, I'll just use the default one :) heh
08:32.51hattsunplugs wire and twists fingers
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08:33.46hattsawesome!!
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08:34.43hattshugs bpun, majhool and cantido
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08:38.26hattsone last problem. The screen looks fuzzy.. and not crisp. (it looks okay on the crt monitor, but not so much on the LCD). any hints?
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08:39.28hattsnvidia drivers, I suppose? any hints on how I should go about that? I'm very inexperienced with this - I'm hoping someone can tell me how I can find out which ones I need, etc.
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08:43.40majhoolhatts: lesse, what was the pastebin with the lspci output...
08:44.23majhoolok, 7100
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08:46.52hattsmajhool: http://pastebin.com/m609ec7a5 (sorry, was away there for a sec)
08:47.32majhoolhatts: oh no, i found it. sorry to make you repost dude
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08:48.29blast_hardcheeseGah, I did it once by accident and all the posts I'm finding online are about how to turn off paren highlighting; How do I jump to a matching paren?
08:48.35blast_hardcheese(in Vim, forgot to say)
08:48.47majhoolhatts: do you want 3d accel etc etc, or do you prefer a completely free (as in freedom) driver?
08:49.09hattsmajhool: 3d accel., please
08:49.18majhoolhatts: ok, that means you'll use a non-free driver
08:49.27majhoolwhich is a pain in its on right
08:49.38majhoolhttp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
08:50.00majhoolas they say, make sure that sources.list has non-free and contrib
08:50.04majhool(in overview)
08:50.23majhoolthen apt-get update
08:50.29majhoolthen let me know
08:50.50themillblast_hardcheese: %
08:50.58majhoolwhoa
08:51.05majhoolbetter than /)
08:51.11blast_hardcheesethemill: That doesn't seem to be working, unfortunately
08:51.45majhool:help pi_paren.txt
08:52.01themillblast_hardcheese: wfm.... have you remapped things in ~/.vimrc ?
08:52.12blast_hardcheeseYeah, apparently I've failed
08:52.15tox2ikhi folks, i have a question about the initramfs-tools package and the resulting /boot/initrd* files it creates
08:52.18blast_hardcheeseI didn't notice it was beeping at me
08:52.23blast_hardcheeseI created a new file and it matches fine
08:52.28themill:)
08:52.29blast_hardcheeseso I guess I just have an unmatched paren somewhere.
08:52.33blast_hardcheesethanks!
08:52.39tox2ikdo i need to do anything specian, this is lenny, to activate lvm2 support?
08:53.39tox2ikin other words, does the default debian initramfs support lvm2?
08:54.00vicroi need a how to for install hydra, or deb
08:54.01tox2ikwrf no one knows?
08:54.33fireba11tox2ik: you can set up LVM from installer even
08:54.48vicroim error with compilin  hydra
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08:56.09tox2ikfireba11: what about if i skipped that step and installed a backport kernel (2.6.29-bpo.2-686), it should still support lvm, right?
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08:56.24tox2iki mean they all do, no?
08:56.31fireba11yes
08:57.01tox2ikthen i need to look elsewhere for errors, thanks.
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09:01.36sylarrrwhere is the place for superuser scripts?
09:02.02JPTin /usr/sbin?
09:02.08JPTor /usr/local/sbin
09:02.21sylarrrthanks
09:02.39JPThmm... i've got a hibernate script there.
09:02.46tox2ikfireba11: if i were to add features/scripts to the initramfs, id put them in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts and run update-initramfs afterwards, no?
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09:03.40fireba11tox2ik: never tried ...
09:04.14hattsby the way, do you guys really use nautilus as your file browser? the thing not having an address bar is sort of annoying
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09:05.31tox2ikhatts: that ought to be an option lol
09:07.30hattstox2ik sorry, are you saying it is an option? I'm looking at its preferences right now and I can't spot anything relevant :x
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09:09.06nullieHello. Is there a way in control files to Depend: on same version of package as the installed one?
09:09.10McNult1Not sure if this is the right channel, but one of our Debian servers is stopping at 'Verifying DMI Pool Data' on boot - I think somehow the bootloader has gone wrong - how can I repair it?
09:09.36sylarrrI have root:50
09:09.44sylarrras owner:group
09:09.51sylarrrwho is 50?
09:10.15sylarrrit isn't in the /etc/group file
09:10.17sylarrr:/
09:10.26nullieit's staff for me
09:10.44sylarrrmy groups are a sham
09:10.46nulliestaff:x:50:
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09:11.32alkyCwhen downloading the OS, whats the best way to do it without ending up with too many CD/DVDs?
09:11.55alkyCcan it be done by just downloading the first CD/DVD and installing the base desktop system
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09:12.05sylarrrI should probably add the staff group
09:12.09alkyCand then using apt to get other programs
09:12.13macrobatalkyC: netinstall?
09:12.18nulliealkyC: ubuntu
09:12.25ShredzCan I upgrade sarge to lenny without passing by etch ?
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09:12.53alkyCmacrobat, i'm looking for a method to be able to install the base desktop without having to use the internet for the install
09:12.55Shredzcause it seems to have some trouble when using non-2.6 kernel and sarge update sites are kinda not working anymore
09:12.57alkyCnullie, what?
09:13.04nullieheh
09:13.05blast_hardcheesenullie: That's mean ;)
09:13.12sarguruhas anybody used ufdbGuard
09:13.17sarguruin debian??
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09:13.21nullieI just do it that way
09:13.23alkyCaha i don't wanna use ubuntu :p
09:13.25sargurupl reply if so
09:14.22sarguruhas any body installed libcrypto in debian
09:15.32hattsalkyC: you don't really need all of those discs. I, for example, just got finished installing lenny using only dvd1
09:15.37sarguruhas any body installed libcrypto in debian
09:15.39sarguruhas anybody used ufdbGuard
09:15.44sarguruhas any body installed libcrypto in debian
09:15.47sargurupl reply if so
09:16.02_sawhmm how would i install network-manager 0.7 instead of 0.6 on debian lenny
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09:20.29alkyChatts, after you finish the install with DVD1, will it boot into the desktop?
09:20.39Arrowmasteryes
09:21.00alkyCahh, thanks
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09:22.09jellysarguru: libcrypto is a common library, part of OpenSSL, and is available in Debian.
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09:22.32sarguruits libcrypt right?
09:22.52jellysarguru: you said "libcrypto" first
09:23.10sarguruim talking about d debian package
09:23.18sargurui need libcrypto
09:23.38jellysarguru: depends on what you're planning to do with it, build software, or use a binary library?
09:24.05jellysarguru: libssl-dev or libssl0.9.8 respectively
09:24.21sarguruits a dependency in ufdbGuard
09:24.24jelly!tell sarguru -about search
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09:24.49jellysarguru: is your software a ready made binary or does it compile?
09:25.11sarguruits not a bin
09:25.17sargurucompile
09:25.25sarguruthats the problem
09:25.29jellyso you have your answer.
09:25.42sargurui used search
09:25.55sargurustill im not getting t
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09:26.31jellyto build stuff you need -dev packages
09:26.33sargurudo u know any site for searching debian third-party repos
09:26.50sargurui get dat
09:26.59sargurubut im not gettin those packages
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09:27.19jellysarguru: you can't install libssl-dev?
09:27.55sargurui did t
09:28.07sargurubut i dont think its the dependency
09:29.15jellyif you want more specific help, you'll have to provide more information
09:29.16jelly!ask
09:29.16dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:29.48jellysarguru: if you have problems with building from source, pastebin the complete output of the command that's failing
09:29.59jelly!paste
09:29.59dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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09:31.09sargurui dont have x-serv n d system which im trying to install
09:31.39sargurulemme ssh
09:31.43sargurupl wait
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09:32.12JyZyXELany ideas how i could access my xchat from another computer?
09:32.27JyZyXELso xchat is running on comp1 and i would like to use it from comp2
09:32.37rudi_sJyZyXEL: ssh and screen
09:32.56JyZyXELdon't really understand what you mean
09:33.08sargurui found d lib :)
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09:33.20sarguruthanks for the help jelly
09:33.31pumpkinhi there. i have a 64bit install (testing, x64) and need to run a 32bit bin-only program. Any tutorials / hints?
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09:33.59jellyJyZyXEL: vnc?
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09:34.20JyZyXELjelly, could i make the VNC to only show the xchat window?
09:34.38jellyJyZyXEL: I don't know about that.
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09:36.14JyZyXELx11vnc has option -id windowid  Show the X window corresponding to windowid not the entire display.
09:36.21JyZyXELwhat the hell is X windowid
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09:37.18tox2iksome kind of reference for X too keep track of windows
09:37.23alkyCis it possible to install the base desktop environment from CD1 only?
09:37.24jellyJyZyXEL: a propertly of each window.  You can use xprop to find it out
09:37.35tox2ikor xwininfo
09:38.13jellyaight
09:38.35greenmang0alkyC: yeah
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09:41.51JyZyXELlooks like the feature is nicely implemented x11vnc -forever -id pick -loop -rfbport 50666 -passwd lolwut full &
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09:42.08JyZyXELX Error of failed request:  BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)
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09:43.47JyZyXELmight require my window to be spesific size?
09:43.59JyZyXEL24/06/2009 12:41:20 WARNING: Width (1243) is not a multiple of 4. VncViewer has problems with that.
09:44.06JyZyXELhow do i set the window size?
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09:57.38sylarrrwhich is better? nfs or samba?
09:58.01petemcwhat defines better for you?
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09:59.21sylarrrpetemc, good question
09:59.57sylarrrpetemc, stability
10:00.02petemcboth are pretty stable
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10:00.54sylarrrI read something about NFS trying to reconnect, and bringing the network down on hard mounts :/
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10:01.28avuif you set it up properly, it's not much of an issue. still NFS is designed for machines that are 'always on'
10:01.30sylarrrI don't yet understand it fully just read the 1st howto nfs now
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10:02.05sylarrrThere is a possibility that the client or the server will fail some time
10:02.08avuin general, if you only have unix/linux machines and a generally 'static/stable' setup, I find NFS to be simpler to set up and use
10:02.34avuand with the right mount options, NFS deals with failing machines much better than by default
10:02.35sylarrrAt which case I don't want the other machine to be crippled due to endless network retries
10:02.46avuit won't be with the right mount options
10:02.55avu(see nfs(5))
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10:02.58sylarrrok
10:03.11sylarrrI will try to go with NFS
10:03.18cantidosylarrr: you can use cachefs with nfs too.. so thats a bonus :)
10:03.19sylarrris nfs version 4 yet
10:03.21sylarrr?
10:03.38avuversion 4 is supported but takes a bit more work to set up
10:03.47avuand most likely you won't notice any difference anyway
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10:04.12sylarrrI just read the advert that it is more secure
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10:04.26avuwell, do you have a kerberos setup? :)
10:04.30sylarrrno
10:04.38avuthen it most likely won't be :)
10:04.44sylarrrok
10:04.47sylarrr:/
10:05.09avuNFS is generally not made to be used over an untrusted network
10:05.18sylarrrany clue on how to export the auto mounted usb devices into the NFS?
10:05.24avu(cifs isn't either though)
10:05.47avusylarrr, export the parent directory where such stuff gets mounted
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10:06.00sylarrravu, which is ?
10:07.45avusylarrr, no idea what it is on your system..
10:07.45sylarrrI just see all the users get the mounted appear on their desktops
10:07.45avusylarrr, /media maybe
10:07.46sylarrrmaybe
10:07.46sylarrrI have a media
10:07.46sylarrrI'll check
10:07.46sylarrrand say it is there
10:07.47avuI have no idea what you use to get those automounted and how it's configured... :-)
10:07.48sylarrrcan I make it appear on the other computer desktps
10:07.48avuI use ivman for that and that mounts those things under /media by default
10:07.48avuI don't think so, but it again depends on what you use for that sort of thing
10:08.00avuthere is no generall debian/linux was of 'making stuff appear on desktops'
10:08.02sylarrravu, I just have whatever is built in with lenny , and I get it for users in the plugdev group
10:08.23avuthere's also nothing for that 'built in with lenny'
10:08.31sylarrrwow
10:08.32avumaybe you're talking about gnome? or kde?
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10:08.42sylarrrgnome yes
10:09.18JyZyXELhow do you set window geometry in gnome?
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10:09.43sylarrrJyZyXEL, I didn't
10:10.07JyZyXELwell how do you tho
10:10.26avusylarrr, well, gnome uses gam/famin, at least the former doesn't work with NFS I think, famin has a polling-fallback for that though IIRC
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10:10.56micolshow do i change my mdadm raid5 to raid6?
10:10.58avusylarrr, you could probably use that to detect when a new directory appears in the mounted FS and somehow show that on user's desktops
10:11.30sylarrrhmm
10:11.48sylarrrI'll check that out
10:11.58sylarrrgam/famin?
10:12.12avugamin/fam in fact :)
10:12.37avuthe former is a drop in replacement for the latter
10:12.49avuoriginally introduced to take advantage of inotify iirc
10:13.12sylarrrah
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10:18.13raidghostTo check what cards that possible is been detected on the firewire pci card. How do i check it in a propper way?
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10:19.55robin_szso, for some reason, i could rsync over ssh happily to a redhat box yesterday, and it hangs halfway through today .. I suspect they have updated their ssh daemon overnight ... how can I pull a more recent unstable/testign ssh client into lenny to see if that helps?
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10:23.16macrobatI'd like to install libc6-i386 version 2.9-13 , but aptitude chooses 2.9-18. How can i pick a certain version?
10:23.55macrobati can see 2.9-13 in aptitude
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10:25.49robin_szaptitude install libc6-i386-2.9-13  .. or whatevr the package name is
10:25.58macrobatcan i dl the libc6-i386 2.9-13 from somewhere and pin it?
10:26.21Dassudebian packager site
10:26.21raidghostrobin_sz: Is there a propper way to check what cards possible connected on the firewire card?
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10:26.39Dassus
10:26.49robin_szraidghost, no idea
10:27.45teclo-moshe moshe ?
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10:27.50teclo-nihongo ?
10:27.51macrobatty, robin_sz.  aptitude install says it didnt find the pkg
10:28.01teclo-where is the japanese-language debian channel please ?
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10:28.29macrobat!jap
10:28.36Guerinjp
10:28.39Guerin!jp
10:28.39dpkgrumour has it, jp is Japan
10:28.44macrobatworth a try :)
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10:28.57Guerinteclo-: there isn't one on this network. You could try #debian on irc.oftc.org
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10:29.36anigmaif I choose to install debian in norwegian, could I then change the language to english after the installation?
10:29.42robin_szraidghost, you could try  cat /proc/bus/ieee1394/devices
10:29.50Guerinanigma: of course
10:30.05Guerinanigma: you can change it from day to day or hour to hour if you like
10:30.16dayaany idea about read UDPv4 [EHOSTUNREACH]: No route to host (code=113) in openvpn
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10:31.00robin_szmacrobat, try aptitude search libc6 to find out what libc6 packages you can install ...
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10:32.50macrobatnewer libc6 pkgs breaks the install i want the  2.9-13
10:32.52anigmawhen I get to the "Software selection" part.. and choose to install "Web server", does that include apache?
10:32.59jeweldoes reportbug save the bug report somewhere in a file before it crashes?
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10:33.27mrstockshey im looking for a remote terminal where we both can see what we are doing.
10:33.32mrstocksIts to help someone..
10:33.40macrobatsomehow http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc6-i386 doesnt have the version i want, but it's visible in aptitude
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10:33.44mrstocksSo i can see what he types and if needed, i can interven
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10:34.31macrobatare there some slow unupdated mirrors i can ftp to?
10:34.32fireba11mrstocks: use screen? or VPN if you need a desktop
10:34.47mrstocksyou cant share reall time what is in screen no?
10:34.54mrstocksin real time*
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10:34.59anigmawhen I get to the "Software selection" part.. and choose to install "Web server", does that include apache?
10:35.00mrstocksno desktop.
10:35.05robin_szmacrobat, the problem wiil be that various packages installe don your system depned on the later libc6 ...
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10:36.41fireba11anigma: probably. if you knwo what you want i suggest you take none of the packages and just install what software you need manually
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10:37.16fireba11mrstocks: why not? you can connect to the same screen session twice if you want
10:37.51mrstocksfireba11 well i didnt know oyu could to that;
10:37.52mrstocksill try
10:37.52anigmafireba11, yeah I was thinking that too
10:37.58macrobati'm installing wine and i have looked through the dependencies of it, it just needs the right  libc6-i386 version, but for some reason i can't install it
10:38.48macrobatall deps are satisfied with that, no breakage
10:39.06mrstocksuhmmm fireba11 nope doesnt work... can't open /dev/pts/2
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10:41.00themillmacrobat: this is a known problem -- check the bts
10:41.51fireba11mrstocks: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/html_node/Multiuser-Session.html#Multiuser-Session says otherwise
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10:42.49mrstocksfireba11 yeah i found a tutorial for ubuntu going to try it THX !
10:43.10robin_szstares at the screen
10:43.16maveasHow do I logout previously logged in session? I cannot access aptitude because of an unlogouted session..
10:43.24raidghostrobin_sz: .patch how do i install it a propper way?=
10:44.24robin_szshrugs .. depends on the patch surely it came with hints?
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10:45.09test555hello guys i have a quad xeon server with 10 gig of memory witch version of debian do u adviese that i can use my 10 gb ram ?
10:45.13raidghostrobin_sz: add_dvbs.patch  device-recognition.patch
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10:45.27maveastest555: 64bit?
10:45.46test555yeah
10:45.52test555but witch is that
10:46.04Zharfwhich*
10:46.05maveaswhich*
10:46.06test555amd64 or ia64
10:46.26test555which one
10:46.34test555of what does that means
10:46.47robin_szraidghost, no clue ... patch -p1 -R add_dvbs.patch maybe ... or maybe not
10:47.00robin_szerr
10:47.07robin_szraidghost, no clue ... patch -p1 -R < add_dvbs.patch maybe ... or maybe not
10:47.51fireba11test555: funnily amd64 is the one you want
10:48.04test555si adm64 is the 64 bit edition of debian
10:48.18test555can u explane me what the ea64 version is then ?
10:48.23test555ia64*
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10:48.47fireba11test555: itanium 64-bit
10:48.54test555and what is that..
10:49.01maveasNothing you need :)
10:49.03robin_sza processor no one has :)
10:49.06test555okee thx
10:49.21test555uhmm can this amd64 support 10 gb ram ?
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10:50.10maveastest555: which cpu do you have?
10:50.18test555quad xeon
10:50.41test555the cpu and moederbord support the 10 gb i know that for sure
10:50.51maveasOkay, so it's an Intel - do you think you need a iso for AMD? :)
10:51.16test555no.. maby not
10:51.21alkyCim just installing linux, could anyone give me some help with the partition setup for a 30gb hdd
10:51.26maveasLol.. Is there even a 64bit version for Intel? :S
10:51.47test555i would be suppriesed if theres not
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10:51.49fireba11maveas: amd64 is for all CPU that support the amd64-bit extensions. that is most intel CPUs too.
10:52.00themill!why amd64
10:52.00dpkgThe Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD.  At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead.  AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind).  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64.
10:52.12maveasOh, I didn't knew that :)
10:52.12fireba11maveas: amd invented the 64-bit extension, thus the name
10:52.20maveasDamm :)
10:52.21test555ahh okee
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10:52.31test555so i i need athe amd64
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10:52.51test555pff my typing skills are delicous todat so i need the amd64 ?
10:53.08fireba11test555: try to find out what memory settings the default kernel has .. 8 Gb are supported by default, i' try to find it in the docs right now
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10:53.56test555ahh okee
10:54.23test555thx
10:54.57alkyCcould anyone give me some help with the partition setup for a 30gb hdd
10:55.18test555what u need help with
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10:55.51alkyCi dunno how i should set it up
10:56.32test555use the partition manager
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10:57.53test555i'm looking firewal 1 pleas let me know if u have found something
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10:58.14fireba11test555: if i red it correctly with the options set on default kernels they should support up to 64GB of ram without further configuration needed
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10:59.08test555can u gimme a link
10:59.12test555of where u found that
10:59.13flaccidwhere is the best place to read about how to create a debian package from a make install of source ?
10:59.40nkuttler!tell flaccid about newmaint
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11:00.17enouffireba11: and test555 /msg dpkg bigmem
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11:00.54flaccidthanks nkuttler. what is this women think its talkin bout ?
11:00.56enouffireba11: and test555 that applies only to x86 32bit userland installs
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11:01.14enoufso i386 ARCH
11:01.25fireba11thanks. thats what i thought, i just didn't find any confirmation in the docs
11:01.56test555ahh oke
11:02.09enouffile /bin/ls
11:02.21test555what u mean enouf
11:02.37enoufis an easy command to run to see if your ELFs are 64 or 32
11:02.54enouf(userland)
11:02.56themillenouf: he's asking which ISO to download to do the install
11:03.08enoufthemill: wonderful
11:03.11enouf:-P
11:03.20flaccidi also need the lib ncurses package to compile something, but there seems to be a lot of different ones
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11:04.07test555enouf but i need to know hoemany ram is supported on the amd64
11:04.19test555cause i have a quad xeon server with 10 gb ram
11:04.22test555and i wanne use it all
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11:04.40flaccidthanks enouf
11:05.03enouftest555: likely 128+ CPUs and each having 1TB .. is that enough?
11:05.13DrAngryPantsHey guys, is there a way to change the version of software apt-get installs? I need to drop the PHP version back from 5.2.6 to 5.2.10
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11:05.40enouftest555: your 64bit CPU is really 40bit
11:05.54themillDrAngryPants: 5.2.10 is not in debian at all
11:05.55enouftest555: as far as mmap is concerned
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11:06.25test555enouf : sorry i cant folow u my english is not that good what do u exacly mean
11:06.33DrAngryPantsthemill : well, anything other than 5.2.6 would be nice, is it possible?
11:06.49enouftest555: google can help explain further - your english is ok ;-)
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11:07.25themillDrAngryPants: not easily. Why do you want some other version? What specifically do you want that's in newer versions?
11:07.41test555haha okee
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11:07.55DrAngryPantsI want an older version, 5.2.6 has seg faults with PDO and my apps are dying :(
11:08.02enouftest555: the 'amd64' port or ARCH (Architecture) is what you most likely want for that CPU + amount of RAM, if it's not a Desktop ;-)
11:08.08RichHHello i tried "git" on debian and it says command not found so i tried apt-get install git and it says its already the newest version what am i doing wrong please :( ?
11:08.22test55564TiB physical memory support instead of 4GiB (or 64GiB with the PAE extension)
11:08.30themillRichH: git-core is probably what you want
11:08.31test555thats what i have found
11:08.35test555http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/
11:08.36test555here
11:08.46enouf!win test555
11:08.46dpkgCongratulations, test555!  You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island!
11:08.53enouf;-)
11:09.08test555...
11:09.09RichHgit-core: command not found :(
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11:09.24themillRichH: the package name "git-core" not the command
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11:09.32enoufso sue me - i was off by 64TiB ... i was close! :-P
11:09.46RichHthemill, ah thanks trying now :)
11:09.48flaccidthanks guys take it easy
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11:10.11test555enouf so this means
11:11.06test555i can use my 10 gb with the amd64?
11:11.06maveasYEAH!
11:11.06themillDrAngryPants: that's likely to be that you've got inconsistent versions of libraries installed. What db backend are you using?
11:11.06test555pleas conform it:)
11:11.06enouftest555: ofcourse
11:11.06maveasYES!
11:11.06maveas:D
11:11.17test555ahh okee
11:11.42test555thx alot
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11:11.57MrWaxDoes anyone know if it's possible to download multiple files at once with scp? what would the syntax be? like 'scp user@host:/file file2 file3 .' ?
11:12.25ShredzI upgraded a 2.4 kernel sarge to a 2.6 kernel etch, the sarge had its root on /dev/hde1 (which makes me think it's s-ata and changed it in fstab to /dev/sda1), but the system doesn't seem to boot. Is this because grub installed root=/dev/hde1 as parameter ?
11:12.45DrAngryPantsthemill : This is the bug http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=37445
11:13.02DrAngryPantsApparently it's fixed in the latest CVS hmmm
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11:14.16themillDrAngryPants: fixed in 2006 in cvs... that should be in the debian package you have.
11:14.33robin_szso, for some reason, i could rsync over ssh happily to a redhat box yesterday, and it hangs halfway through today .. I suspect they have updated their ssh daemon overnight ... how can I pull a more recent unstable/testing ssh client into lenny to see if that helps?
11:14.48DrAngryPantsthemill I must be mistaken, perhaps that's the wrong bug report
11:15.03themillDrAngryPants: are you using mysql?
11:15.07DrAngryPantsYes
11:15.15DrAngryPantsMysql using PDO
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11:15.50themillDrAngryPants: can you pastebin the output of:  dpkg -l '*php*' '*mysql*' | grep ^.i
11:16.01DrAngryPantsSure thing
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11:16.54DrAngryPantshttp://privatepaste.com/a926OM9REX
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11:17.13ArafangionDoes anyone know of a program that will analyse a make file and display a pretty graph of dependencies?
11:17.44enoufprefers the leading usage for dpkg -l commands, it's 1337eR
11:17.53zinxArafangion: google sez: http://search.cpan.org/~agent/Makefile-GraphViz-0.18/lib/Makefile/GraphViz.pm
11:18.29enoufMrWax: i know debian-administration.org has articles with nice usage examples
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11:19.04themillDrAngryPants: nothing out of the ordinary there :(
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11:19.12zinxArafangion: you can install in Debian with the CPAN dh-make-perl util
11:19.22DrAngryPantsthemill,  :(, would you like to see the backtrace of the seg fault?
11:19.28ShredzWhen upgrading a 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel system, /dev/hde will become /dev/sda in the 2.6 version right, but will grub install put the proper root= parameter after the 2.6 kernel ?
11:19.33Arafangionzinx: That looks to be exactly what I need but there isn't a simple package I can just install - ahh, you read my mind.
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11:19.45ArafangionJust 'CPAN dh-make-perl util'?
11:19.57ArafangionOk, CPAN doesn't exist.
11:20.13zinxArafangion: i think it's "dh-make-perl --cpan Makefile::GraphViz"
11:20.20enoufShredz: you want to make sure you follow the upgrade path if coming from Sarge or earlier
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11:20.36DrAngryPantsthemill, here's the backtrace http://privatepaste.com/c60Dpbzk7I
11:20.37zinxArafangion: hm possibly Makefile-GraphViz instead of ::
11:20.44DEBUNTU73CRONTAB - Is it possible to let CRONTAB start a script every few seconds ? Like every 15secs or so ??? or is 1min the minimum time interval ?
11:20.49ArafangionThanks zinx. :)
11:20.50DrAngryPantsI'm really stumped :(
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11:21.37enoufShredz: and no. not necessarily sdX over hdX - mine are still hdX on a 2.6.29-2-686 Debian kernel
11:21.39ethanolDEBUNTU73: I think there are crontab alternatives that allow second precision. but why would you require this?
11:21.54QewShredz: if you're going from Sarge to Etch, then ide devices would be still labelled hde, etc. If it's from Etch to Lenny, that's when the change might take place (depending on your chipset). You can use UUID or volume labels to overcome that in Lenny.
11:22.11enoufindeed
11:22.34sylarrris there something like "USB Server for Linux" in the repositories?
11:22.35enoufand note, he said "_might_"
11:22.36ggeeckothe left side of my screen is shifted to the right...do i fix it in xorg.conf?
11:22.43Shredzenouf isn't hde a sata device name under 2.4 that will always change under 2.6 ?
11:22.48sylarrrhttp://www.incentivespro.com/usb-server.html
11:22.53Qewyeah, it didn't affect me, but I still did the uuid thing anyway
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11:24.16DEBUNTU73ethanol: a WEBDAV mount gets lost sporadicly, so we have to remount that thing. so we created a script that monitors that mount and remounts whenever its lost. atm its remount every 1min IF it got lost. that's ok, but was looking for better solutions.
11:24.28enoufShredz: i didn't notice that hdE was a priority issue - suppose the SATA drives come prior though - but yeah, typically hda->hdd are the 4 found on the standard older IDE PCI BUSmaster Controllers
11:25.00Arafangionzinx: There isn't a simple frontend for the program that just lets you call the program on a makefile without requiring me to learn perl?
11:25.12zinxArafangion: looks like not.. perl programmers are silly? :P
11:25.27Arafangionzinx: And I do frigging assembly for my day job! *sigh*.
11:25.29ethanolDEBUNTU73: I'd say a better solution would be to find the root cause of your problem. what you're doing now sounds more like a 'hotfix'.
11:25.34zinxArafangion: the example on the url i linked should be copy/pastable
11:25.37Arafangionzinx: (Yes, they're indeed silly)
11:25.39OpenTokixDEBUNTU73: if you want that often, run it with a sleep command inside
11:25.46OpenTokixDEBUNTU73: no need to bother with cron
11:25.55enoufShredz: please notice what Qew mentioned -- UUID= and LABEL= can each overcome any /dev/name issue
11:26.22Arafangionzinx: Well, it technically is. :)
11:26.23themillDrAngryPants: perhaps fixed in the 5.3 development branch... http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=42499 seems that php is about as much fun as you can expect. BTW are you using an php code cache/accelerator? Disabling such things has been known to solve php segfaults.
11:26.44DrAngryPantsNah nothing special enabled, just basic command line php
11:27.04Arafangionzinx: But the way this is going, I might as well code the darn thing myself. (Generating a graphviz 'dot' file isn't exactly rocket science)
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11:27.11zinxArafangion: hehe
11:27.16DrAngryPantsDang
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11:27.34enoufQew: have you ever tried to boot a non-Debian kernel that also uses no initrd with that? I'm curious b/c of what i find in the debian initrd
11:28.09DEBUNTU73ethanol: it's a hotfix. nothing more or less.
11:28.21DEBUNTU73OpenTokix: thanks. that might do it for a while.
11:28.24themillDrAngryPants: :( nfc then... you could try php CVS and see if it solves the problem. If you're just using php at the command line it's not so bad to build it; having to build all the apache modules etc too is where it gets painful. (and doing your own security updates is very painful)
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11:28.43Qewenouf: the last time I booted a non-debian kernel was back in my Mandriva 2006 days; so no.
11:28.45DrAngryPants:(
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11:29.03Arafangionzinx: I ultimately don't really need a pretty picture, I just need to find out how I have a depenendency cycle. :(
11:29.15enoufQew: hehe .. and ... ewww :-P
11:29.34zinxArafangion: but what are you going to put on your wall if you don't have a pretty picture of your makefile?
11:29.58RochdiHi all
11:30.08Arafangionzinx: At this stage, a bottle of port.
11:30.11Qewah, but I have fond memories about Mandrake. Mandrake 8.2 was my first distro and I stuck with it for a while. Glad I changed, but I do owe Mandrake for being my learning tool.
11:30.15Arafangionzinx: Not neccessarily intact.
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11:30.26RochdiI want to setup a meta ldap, can you help me ?
11:30.49enoufQew: manDRAKE i can somewhat respect .. er stomach ;-)
11:31.52Qewheh
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11:33.04cantidomandrake got a lot of that hardware autodetection stuff going.. didnt handle upgrades too well though
11:33.22cantidoRochdi: whats a meta ldap?
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11:34.13Rochdicantido: moduleload      back_meta
11:34.16sunruhello, i have a questionj about debian installer, the testing build seems applicable to unstable only (apart from manual kernal image install), has anyone got debian installer working with testing at all? (and what build of the installer do i use?)
11:34.23enoufcantido: knoppix as well - but let's not walk down that path in here ;-)
11:34.36valdynsunru: you should use the stable installer - you can upgrade later
11:35.01sunruoh
11:35.02Qewcantido: well, I did manage to upgrade with urpmi without much issues. I went from 9.1 to 10, to 10.1 and then to 2006 with only some minor issues. I even managed to go through the whole xfree to xorg and devfs to udev thing without issue. But it's not on par with aptitude or apt-get for dist upgrades.
11:35.23cantidoenouf: knoppix was long time after mandrake thought wasn't it?
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11:35.46enoufhardware autodetection was my point
11:35.51cantidoQew: I think the last time I used a mandrake system it was 5 or something
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11:36.08Qewheh
11:36.11sunruthanks, but i wanted to put unstable on a server so I used a daily build, no problem (apart from kernel), I want to put testing on another server but no luck with the installer.
11:36.40sunruI went from debain -> mandrake
11:36.45cantidoQew: One of my lecturers was a mandrake fan... it turned out openbsd was easier to install on the boxes that we had to install and os on to pass our course
11:36.49sunruhas made some poor choices.
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11:37.29sunruthey should force you to LFS.
11:37.38cantidosunru: use the stable installer
11:37.45scientesany way i can get a bigger dictionary?
11:37.53scientesit lacks so many common word
11:37.58sunrucantido: ok thanks.
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11:39.00Qewstill, you have to move on. Fond memories of Mandrake, but I found home a few years ago and am happy here.
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11:39.38cantidosunru: if you're new to debian, it's not a good idea to install the lastest unreleased untested code is it?
11:40.03sunrunah its cool.
11:40.23sunruI'm back with debian as of a few days ago:)
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11:41.56cantidowonders if it's worth having another go at grub-efi
11:42.13MrWaxhas there been some update in the latest version of VIM? when I :set nu now it also indents the first 4 chars of a file automatically
11:42.16MrWaxdifference between etch and lenny i guess
11:42.18MrWaxalso with lenny only vim-common and vim-tiny installed, with etch it were 4 vim packages right?
11:42.43enoufjudd: versions vim-full
11:42.43juddenouf: vim-full -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.025-2 sid: 2:7.2.079-1
11:42.45plHello. Can somebody of you suggest me a clean frontend for cdrecord (wodim), to burn CDs and DVDs, that is not BLOATED as k3b?
11:42.59cantidopl: bash
11:43.06cantidohehe
11:43.20enoufjudd: depends vim-full
11:43.20juddenouf: vim-full -- Depends: vim-gnome (>= 1:7.1-135+1)
11:43.23sunruno true "cdrecord image.iso" works well.
11:43.25plcantido, that's what I do now :)
11:43.26enouf...
11:43.46plI know it works, but now I have to burn some DVDs, it's not that simple
11:43.59arvind_khadripl, brasero
11:44.30cantidopl: for burning dvd's I just wrote a script that took the path of the directory containing VIDEO_TS etc and burnt it..
11:45.27plcantido, I'll give a try to brasero, if I don't find it as good as I wish I'll write some scripts too
11:45.56plI'm glad it doesn't depend on gnome*
11:46.02enouftry DeVeDe if you need authoring as well pl
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11:46.17enoufit's in dmm
11:46.27cantidopl: maybe xfburn .. the xfce stuff is all pretty light
11:47.03enoufapt-cache show ... once you update your cache and visit the homepage
11:47.23MrWaxenouf: you might know what could be  the reason it indents all lines with 4 chars?
11:47.48enoufMrWax: no idea offhand - old conffiles?
11:48.04mosnok3b is bloated?
11:48.25enoufMrWax: you sure it's not a \t ?
11:48.32abrotmanpl: what desktop/gui are you using?
11:48.32cantidomosno: it does a lot of stuff, I wouldn't say it's bloated really though
11:48.51MrWaxenouf: ~/.vimrc contains only set nu
11:48.54sunrumosno: loads ok on my quad core (runs crap on anything else).
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11:49.30rhineheart_manybody knows here networking in debian better? :)
11:49.30sarguruhi
11:49.39plabrotman, wmii (wmii.suckless.org), so a really minimal window manager
11:49.40cantidosunru: k3b is single threaded no?
11:49.45abrotmanrhineheart_m: did you ask a question ?
11:50.02rhineheart_mabrotman, not yet  :) I'll try.
11:50.02plthen I do almost everything in xterminals
11:50.10abrotmanpl: oh .. i was going to suggest like brasero, gnomebaker, etc .. but that would require gnome libs
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11:50.36plabrotman, well, a lot of gnome libs are already installed (for iceweasel, gimp, ...)
11:50.47rhineheart_mare you guys here support networking in proxmox..since it uses debian lenny?
11:50.51plI'll try it anyway
11:50.53mosno(whoops, disconnect)
11:50.55abrotmanpl: oh .. let's see .. gnomebaker, brasero, and there is another gnome-ish one i can't remember
11:51.02sunrucantido: dunno.
11:51.16MrWaxenouf: yes, 'set nu' makes the file being indented by 4 chars before the line numbering starts, any idea how to fix this?
11:51.20enoufsomething roast abrotman ?
11:51.28abrotmanthat's xcdroast IIRC
11:51.38abrotmannot even sure that's still around
11:51.42enoufcorrect - was that the one?
11:51.49rhineheart_mjust want to use my two NICs for different LAN segments (192.168.2.0/24) and 192.168.1.0/24)
11:51.56enoufMrWax: don't :set nu ? :-P
11:51.59cantidosunru: the myth of multicores ;)
11:52.21enoufMrWax: sorry - no i don't offhand
11:52.36sunruno
11:52.39abrotmanenouf: there was .. eroaster ?
11:53.03enoufhrm..
11:53.20enoufyou're making me hungry
11:53.33abrotmanhasn't been in debian since sarge?
11:53.40cantidoxcdroast is in sid
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11:53.42OpenTokixcantido: What do you mean with myth of multicores?
11:53.57enoufjudd: versions xcdroast
11:53.58juddenouf: xcdroast -- etch: 0.98+0alpha15-11.1 lenny: 0.98+0alpha15-11.2 sid: 0.98+0alpha16-1 squeeze: 0.98+0alpha16-1
11:54.04enoufcantido: ^^^^
11:54.20cantidoOpenTokix: that having 30 million cores will magically make things "fast"
11:55.01abrotmancantido: how is that magic?
11:55.01rhineheart_mokay.. I understand.. nobody here would like to teach me on it :(
11:55.01abrotmanrhineheart_m: what you're asking is pretty simple
11:55.01cantidoabrotman: it's not, because it doesn't
11:55.05enoufabrotman: and OpenTokix he was referring to single-threaded apps
11:55.21OpenTokixcantido: oh
11:55.27sunruno, we where referring to k3b and bloat.
11:55.30enoufbecoming "fast" but only on multicore CPUs
11:55.33OpenTokixenouf: ok, thanks
11:55.46abrotmancantido: for single threaded apps it won't .. but if you're running many processes with more than one core, it will certainly be faster than a single CPU trying to switch contexts repeatedly
11:55.48enouf;-)
11:55.49rhineheart_mabrotman, really?! that would be great! can you direct me to the right way? a link may do..
11:55.56abrotmanrhineheart_m: man interfaces ?
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11:56.10sunruthinks rhineheart_m requires a GUI
11:56.13abrotmanrhineheart_m: you just want it on both networks? or functioning as a router
11:56.15cantidoabrotman: indeed
11:56.15sunru:)
11:56.22abrotmancantido: that's hardly a "myth"
11:56.55rhineheart_msunru, learning the curves of debian here.. :)
11:56.59sunruis qt multithreaded?
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11:57.10enoufabrotman: it started with sunru 's declaration of k3b - hence one app ;-)
11:57.15abrotmancantido: if you've one CPU to devote to one intensive task, and the other CPU can be used for everything else, less context switching is better
11:57.27abrotmanenouf: i can't help it if someone whines about a 'k' app :)
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11:57.41enoufabrotman: and you shouldn't! :-P
11:57.47cantidoabrotman: well, it would be a myth that a single threaded app could run better when running on a machine thats capable of running multiple threads
11:57.53sunruugh, GUI = bloat, if the toolkit is multithreaded it would help.
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11:58.05rhineheart_mabrotman, don't have man interfaces here.. :)
11:58.12sunrurhineheart_m: man route
11:58.22rhineheart_meven that :(
11:58.22abrotmancantido: not really .. because you're dedicating one CPU to that task
11:58.23enoufmany Games are single-threaded which is why Dual-core CPUs never 'helped' them
11:58.30abrotmanrhineheart_m: if you don't, it's not debian
11:58.43sunrurhineheart_m: if you don't have a man page for "route" its not debian.
11:58.45abrotmanenouf: that's changing in the last couple of years .. slowly though
11:58.52Arafangionenouf: It doesn't make sense to use more than one thread if you only have the one core. :)
11:59.03abrotmanrhineheart_m: and you still didn't answer my question about your goal
11:59.34enoufabrotman: and ... POSIX compliance will soon be upon us .. and the world will soon become engulfed by the Sun :-P
11:59.49abrotmanenouf: i prefer it warmer :)
11:59.52enoufArafangion: heh
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12:01.16enoufin NY :-O
12:01.16abrotmancantido: by your logic, a two-lane highway can only handle as much traffic as a single-lane highway
12:01.21__sawwhat ftp client do you guys use on debian ?
12:01.22cantidoabrotman: well, as soon as you have a single lane exit you have serialized everything
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12:01.33cantidoabrotman: so you're back to sqaure one
12:01.38rhineheart_mabrotman, sorry.. I missed it.. yes.. I will use both neworks as each of them connected to different LAN segment so that I can connect my guest OS to one of the LAN segments
12:01.45mosno__saw: i use lftp
12:01.51abrotmancantido: yes, if everyone tries to exit at the same time ...
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12:02.07enouf...and they will
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12:02.17abrotmanrhineheart_m: just configure it in your interfaces file, just odn't give them both a gateway
12:02.22abrotmanenouf: only in NYC :(
12:02.28nkuttler__saw: ncftp
12:02.30enoufheh
12:02.39cantidoabrotman: the myth is that things are just magically faster.. like doubling the clock speed. not that you can't make things faster
12:02.47abrotman20 million people all want to get out through the lincoln tunnel ...
12:03.07abrotmancantido: it's not a myth ..
12:03.09slvyeah it's about rush hour in manhattan
12:03.14NationiantHow do you change resolution from terminal? My screen is too low for that resolution Debian tries to use for me
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12:03.23abrotmanNationiant: xrandr
12:03.52NationiantWhat is the full command what I have to put to get the resoultion to 1280x1024
12:04.20enoufNationiant: for X yes, xrandr, for Console, pass the kernel a vga= option, /msg dpkg fbcon resolution
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12:05.20NationiantThanks i'll try that
12:05.30enoufuses vga=791 (which yields 1024x768x16) on a 1280x1024 LCD
12:05.37anigmadoes debian usually automatically support wireless network cards?
12:05.43abrotmandepends on the card
12:05.43enoufanything more is just too ... tiny
12:05.51jairhello guys, I have a brand new installation of lenny on a t61p from (IBM/Lenovo) I am trying to have the wlan0 to configure and connect at startup with the AP, I have the encryption off and nothing here is my "interfaces" file http://paste.debian.net/40095
12:05.54Arafangionenouf: Never.
12:06.02Arafangionenouf: Just means your screen is too small! ;)
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12:06.18enouftrue dat - and too few!
12:06.39Arafangionenouf: Indeed. :(
12:07.01Arafangionenouf: It's a pity that X11 is so crap at multiple screens, especially at different monitors. :(
12:07.03jairbut after lenny and the laptop failed to connect at boot time I go to the terminal and run manually the following commands => http://paste.debian.net/40094 and everything works as you can see on the paste
12:07.21cantidoArafangion: it's got better ;)
12:07.36cantidoArafangion: at least you can add a monitor without restarting x now
12:07.36abrotmanjair: you migth want to try the allow-hotplug option ..
12:07.39Arafangioncantido: That ain't exactly saying much.
12:08.12enoufjair: just in case you can
12:08.16Arafangioncantido: I don't think you can add a monitor without restarting x...  But you can *remove* and then *re-add* it, there's a difference.
12:08.25sunruwould pulling in an experimental package like python 2.6 fail on lenny?
12:08.27Arafangioncantido: I haven't confirmed that, though, but I'm betting that's how it is.
12:08.30enoufjair: just in case you can't resolve here - note; ##ibmthinkpad exists
12:08.43cantidoArafangion: no, you can if your virtual display size is big enough for the total display
12:09.06Arafangioncantido: And not more than 2048 pixels in width.
12:09.08cantidoArafangion: i.e. if you virtual display is 1280x800 you can't create a display bigger than that on the fly
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12:09.15enoufsunru: stop talking foolishness ;-)
12:09.25sunruugh
12:09.29Arafangioncantido: My laptop screen is 1400 pixels wide already...
12:09.35cantidoArafangion: It can be bigger than 2048... but you look DRM on some intel chipsets with displays that big
12:09.37sunru#debian hasn't changed since 1999
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12:09.45cantidoArafangion: s/look/loose/
12:10.02anigmaabrotman, let's say the network card is a usb device.. would debian detect that easily?
12:10.04Arafangioncantido: Well, ATI had major issues with that for a long time, but then I guess, ATI will have issues however I have it.
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12:10.12ranixenouf: I think you hurt sunru
12:10.16Nationiantwhoa
12:10.23ranixenouf: an invoking of !backports would have been more appropriate
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12:10.27enoufunfortunately, neither has the typical Desktop speed :-P
12:10.28abrotmananigma:  still depends on the device in question ..
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12:11.06enoufranix: they were trolling IMHO ;-) -- see /lastlog sunru
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12:11.17cantidoArafangion: sometimes you have to do xrandr --out xxx --auto first to get the display to actually turn on, but I can plug in an external monitor and add it into the display while X is running
12:11.19abrotmananigma: do you know the device name or chipset?
12:11.57Arafangioncantido: I always like to use "big desktop mode", which is very hard to get.
12:12.11Arafangioncantido: Very few DE's or even WM's manage that properly.
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12:12.23anigmaabrotman, ie this one http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=316910
12:12.25Arafangioncantido: And those that do don't handle different resolutions.
12:12.41abrotman!tell anigma about DWL-G122
12:13.15cantidoArafangion: kde3.5 was ok on 1280x800 + 1680 x 1050
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12:13.48alkyCshould i mount /boot as read only?
12:14.21abrotmananigma: to make it worse .. depends on the hardware revision .. two out of three require firmware .. so yes, it would be detected, but non-functional without the firmware
12:14.22abrotmandpkg: fix simmons
12:14.22dpkgtakes simmons to the vet for a "special" visit.
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12:14.45rhineheart_mhow to determine if the eth1 is already loaded/active?
12:14.47cantidoArafangion: not tried kde4 was it yet... with 3.5 you could set which screens had your panels and stuff. I just used to keep all the DE stuff on the small screen and then had netbeans and stuff like that on the big screen :)
12:14.47anigmaabrotman, I guess it would work then
12:14.47alkyC^ i think that looks like bots from a botnet
12:14.47ranixalkyC: you do want to be able to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and to update initramfs
12:14.47Arafangioncantido: Well, Gnome would work, KDE 3.x wouldnt'.
12:14.47abrotmananigma: see what i said about needing firmware
12:14.48anigmayeap
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12:16.22abrotmananigma: this will obviously be easier if you have a wired connection to use during install
12:16.30cantidoArafangion: firefox does some weird stuff like creating file dialogs that span the whole display, wine doesn't like multihead.. but I never had an issue with kde :/
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12:17.14Arafangioncantido: Oh, nah, firefox was fine, if you want weirdness, it's Opera that you should look at. ;)
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12:17.34Arafangioncantido: The *combo box* will span the whole display, but only if you click on the arrow thingy to 'open' it.
12:17.46Arafangioncantido: Which just so happens to be every time you want to type in an address...
12:19.01cantidomm I had an issue with FF that if you opened it on one display and moved it to the other, all text inputs would appear on the initial display
12:19.43ArafangionI had an issue that all my video and opengl contexts would be literally offset.
12:19.57cantidothe benefits of having a massive display makes up for the weirdness I suppose
12:20.09ArafangionNot sure.
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12:21.30enoufrhineheart_m: ls /sys/class/net .. or /sbin/ifconfig -a  .. you likely want to /msg dpkg z25
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12:22.20jairabrotman: allow-hotplug did not work :(
12:22.22anigmaabrotman, are there any guides on setting up a new internet connection with cable from the wireless router?
12:22.27enoufrhineheart_m: iftop as well as many others will show live usage .. or you could watch tail /proc/net/dev
12:22.39jairenouf: I am so sorry what was the channel for thinkpad IBM you recommended me?
12:22.41abrotmananigma: if your router does dhcp, should just work
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12:22.45abrotman!thinkpad
12:22.45dpkg[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman.  Some models may restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html .  See also <hdapsd>, <mwavem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>.  http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad  http://www.thinkwiki.org/  http://forum.thinkpads.com/  ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net.
12:22.52jairthanks
12:22.55enoufthere ;-)
12:23.02jairthank you
12:23.08enoufnp mate
12:23.10anigmaabrotman, it does, but I can't seem to get it working!
12:23.12rhineheart_menouf, this is my ls /sys/class/net eth0  eth1  eth2_rename  lo  venet0  vmbr0  vmtab102i0  vmtab104i0
12:23.22anigmaabrotman, also 'ifconfig' does not work
12:23.24enoufwonderous
12:23.25abrotmananigma: wired or wireless ?
12:23.29anigmawired
12:23.42abrotmananigma: does it even try to bring up the connection when it boots?
12:23.46enoufanigma: pass it /sbin/ifconfig ... or use sudo
12:23.50abrotmananigma: which installer did you use ?
12:23.51jairhowever sounds like the problem I ma having is with the configuration file of "/etc/network/interfaces" what that have to do with thinkpad?
12:23.55enoufoh
12:23.57abrotmananigma: does /etc/network/interfaces exist ?
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12:24.50anigmaI haven't actually booted the system with the cable attached, I just plugged it in. and nothing happened.
12:24.57anigmaabrotman, I installed the system from a CD
12:25.17anigmahold on and I'll check to see if /etc/network/interfaces exist's..
12:25.26enoufjair: then - all i can suggest is perhaps reading the debian-reference section that deals with that if /msg dpkg interfaces and /msg dpk wpasupplicant isn't enough
12:26.31anigmaabrotman, yeap it's there
12:26.59jairwpasupplicant I know is not needed, it may be with something I am missing on the configuration I have for my "/etc/ntework/interfaces" to configure the wlan0 as my primary connection and having lenny to bring it up at boot time
12:27.23enoufjair: you might want to make use of the if-pre*.d/ dirs in /etc/network/ .. or you might want to prefix with full paths in /interfaces (for binaries) or see wiki.debian.org - quite detailed in some aspects
12:27.31ewetokay, so now i have my raid idea ready only: because i need a seperate /boot i decided to have the rest of the space on the two remaining disks as swap. now the question is: is it a good idea to stripe those two partitions or should i just add them separately in fstab?
12:27.51jairbut I have a desktop with an external wireless nic and have that one configured as the main one.  So I will check on that.
12:27.52enoufjair: i know there are some using debian in that channel is why i mentioned it
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12:28.18jairenouf: cool
12:28.19aprendiz001hi all
12:28.23enoufthen there's ##networking and ##linux as well
12:28.26aprendiz001I am using nagios3 in debian lleny
12:28.32aprendiz001lenny
12:28.39jairenouf: I will check that and let you and the channel know if there is a trick for future questions like mine.
12:28.53jairenouf: understand, and thank you again
12:28.54aprendiz001the conf dir is /etc/nagios3/conf.d/ as a debian standar
12:29.06aprendiz001this dir is recursive?
12:29.25enoufjair: i'm just wifi illiterate mostly - no worries
12:29.30valdynewet: both
12:29.42valdynewet: err, dont stripe them
12:29.50valdynewet: swap gets stripped automagically
12:29.55ewetvaldyn: okay
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12:30.11valdynewet: swap can have priority, same priority means it gets striped
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12:30.31jairenouf: hahaha that's fine, there is a guy (creator of kanotix) debian base liveCD but I will have to find him :)
12:30.39ewetvaldyn: oh, okay. thanks :)
12:31.58aprendiz001anyone knows?
12:32.05valdynewet: its not clar if this gives you any benefit at all btw
12:32.10valdynewet: its not clear if this gives you any benefit at all btw
12:32.13cantidoaprendiz001: I've not used nagios, but most of the conf.d directories work by using whatever "include" command is available inside the main config
12:32.27valdynewet: it may even slow your system down
12:32.39ranixaprendiz001: the term 'recursive' is not appropriately applied to directories
12:32.50ranixdirectories by nature cannot 'recurse'
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12:33.04valdynranix: uh
12:33.23ewetvaldyn: well it already gives me the benefit of having all remaining space on the drives used (i use 3 disks in a software raid. 1x raid 5 for '/' and 1x raid o for '/var' the rest ist '/boot' and swap)
12:33.28aprendiz001ok, I want to know if I create /conf.d/firewall/my.cfg
12:33.30Arafangionranix: They can and do, infact, there are mutually recursive directories.
12:33.37aprendiz001as it is insider conf.d can work
12:33.42ewetvaldyn: slow my system down?
12:33.44Arafangionranix: '.' always refers to itself, for instance.
12:33.47valdynewet: yea
12:34.05valdynewet: you are making both disks swap compete for access time with the raid
12:34.30straszheimdebugging some packaging problems, it takes a long time to iterate on 'debian/rules binary ; dpkg -i ../mypackage_blahblah.deb'.  Is there a way I can unpack the .deb and the nested control file, and dpkg -i the directory after I've tweaked it?
12:34.37cantidoaprendiz001: If the config directive that's been used to implement the conf.d directory is recursive. Have a look at the main config file and how it's including the conf.d
12:34.45vorHi I get a "/var/log/mail.log: Permission denied" from a bash script that cat's that file it is run as su root from ssh ??any help thnxs!
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12:35.02enoufewet: man 2 swapon (search for priority and round-robin)
12:35.13valdynewet: its probably faster overall if you use only the swap on one disk
12:35.24ranixArafangion: I don't understand how "/foo/bar" can be described as "recursive"
12:35.26ewetvaldyn: okay. now, i have 4gb ram and my 1gb swap is unused so far - i'm close to not setting up any. my idea was: oh there's space left on the disk - let's make it swap
12:35.49enoufwonders why his $ rgrep -l 'round-robin' /usr/share/man didn't find it :-/
12:35.55aprendiz001cantido, cfg_dir=/etc/nagios3/conf.d
12:36.03valdynewet: it all depends on workload
12:36.18valdynewet: maybe your workload will swap out some stuff that it hardly ever uses
12:36.26vorscript mod: -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root ./scripts/LogScan.sh
12:36.29valdynewet: in that case sure you loose nothing and just gain some more ram to work with
12:36.30cantidoaprendiz001: ok, then look at the man pages or whatever and see if that's recursive.. I don't think it will be though
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12:37.12ewetvaldyn: okay. i'll dump 1gb disk space then
12:37.12valdynewet: in that case you also dont need to worry about speed or the issue of competing disk accesses
12:37.25ranixthat is most certainly misusing the word recursive
12:37.28abrotmananigma: get it figured out
12:37.29abrotman?
12:37.30cantidovor: run the script with -x?
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12:37.44enoufzgrep works .. but has no recursion :-/
12:37.51gourdinhow can I install vim without x11 ?
12:37.54sarguruis there any debian packaged apps which have webinterface to squid log
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12:38.18valdynsymlinks can make directories recurse, i doubt this is what you guys are talking about though
12:38.18KineticBugWhen does apt-get update to the latest version(s) of software? I need the latest version of PHP and would prefer not having to do it manually and kill all the depencies
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12:38.29sarguruis there any debian packaged apps which have webinterface to squid log
12:38.34sargurupl reply
12:38.41ranixKineticBug: usually, only when you invoke it
12:38.53valdynsarguru: webbrowser file://path/to/log
12:38.56KineticBugranix, the current apt-get version is 5.2.6
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12:39.00petemcsarguru: sarg
12:39.01aprendiz001cantido, I don't know where I can find that information
12:39.01ewetvaldyn: choices, choices. still the easiest way would be to just spare the 3rd disks free space and eventually add it to swap if it must be
12:39.07ranixKineticBug: i.e. apt-get update;apt-get upgrade or apt-get update;apt-get install (package)
12:39.21valdynewet: yea
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12:39.22sarguruders a debian package for it  or what
12:39.23cantidoKineticBug: it doesn't do it automatically, you tell your apt frontend to upgrade packages.. if there are upgrades that is
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12:39.39valdynewet: on a development box id rather use no swap at all
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12:39.54KineticBugWhat I mean is when will they change the current apt-get version from 5.2.6 to 5.2.10?
12:39.56valdynewet: all depends on workload, but its probably not very important
12:40.00cantidoaprendiz001: http://man.chinaunix.net/newsoft/nagios/ch12s01.html
12:40.04ranixjudd: versions php5
12:40.05juddranix: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 sid: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-4 squeeze: 5.2.9.dfsg.1-4
12:40.19ranixKineticBug: it is not known
12:40.34enoufjudd: versions apt-get
12:40.35juddenouf: apt-get --
12:40.37ranixit's not even in sid yet
12:40.39enoufheh
12:40.43cantidoaprendiz001: looks like you can include multiple config dirs, so you could create config dirs inside conf.d and include them
12:40.45KineticBugCan I throw candy at someone to get it done haha :(
12:40.49vorcantido: I su to root and run it: ./scripts/LogScan.sh what do you mean?
12:40.49gourdinok : vim-nox
12:40.53ewetvaldyn: as i said i don't use my swap right now. it just came to my mind because of the spare space on the disks
12:41.15ranixKineticBug: probably not. If you need that bleeding new, you should install and maintain from cvs probably
12:41.29ranixKineticBug: if I were you, I'd heavily question my reasons for doing that
12:41.45ewetvaldyn: however i will just add one partition as swap anyway and watch what happens. thank you for your help :)
12:41.57aprendiz001cantido, yes, you right, looks like I have to modify nagios.cfg including my new folders
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12:42.05cantidoaprendiz001: http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/configmain.html#cfg_dir -- its recursive
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12:42.10gourdinwhy installing openssh-server installs x11-common ?
12:42.12cantidoaprendiz001: says on that page :)
12:42.23valdyngourdin: why do you care?
12:42.38gourdinvaldyn: I need space :)
12:42.40cantidogourdin: for X11 forwarding probably
12:42.46enoufjudd: depends openssh-server
12:42.46juddenouf: openssh-server -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8g-9), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.9.0), openssh-client (= 1:5.1p1-5), lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), openssh- (1 more message)
12:42.52cantidogourdin: use dropbear then
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12:42.58enoufjudd: more
12:42.58juddenouf: blacklist, procps
12:43.00gourdindropbeau ?
12:43.29gourdincantido: thx, I'm looking at it
12:43.37enoufgourdin: it's likely an autoinstalled Recommends?
12:43.38aprendiz001cantido, thanks so much :D
12:44.06cantidoaprendiz001: no problem :)
12:44.23valdyngourdin: i think you are installling recommends
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12:44.31enoufi don't see it as a depends there - but that output is for Lenny IINM, and i386 arch
12:44.51gourdinvaldyn: ?
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12:45.13valdyngourdin: openssh-server recommends some X stuff
12:45.20gourdinvaldyn: ok
12:45.20valdyngourdin: i dont see it depending on some X stuff
12:45.27enoufgourdin: does aptitude -s -R install  openssh-server want to install it?
12:45.28gourdini see
12:45.39enoufor use apt-get
12:45.42gourdinI've installed dropbear, it's ok for me :)
12:45.53gourdinenouf: I'm using apt-get :)
12:45.57enoufdrops a boa
12:46.00gourdinthx guys for the feedback
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12:47.57themill"aptitude why openssh-server x11-common" ftw.
12:48.25enouf$ apt-cache depends openssh-server | grep -i x11
12:48.35enoufnada on sid
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12:49.04themillenouf: you'd need to use --recurse for that to work -- xauth is the only listed package which doesn't contain x11
12:49.09enoufshows me Recommends, Conflicts, Replaces as well as recommends
12:49.12enoufoh
12:49.25enouf<PROTECTED>
12:49.33anigmahow do I search with for packages? apt-cache search 'package name' ?
12:49.48enoufanigma: yep - after apt-get update ;-)
12:49.58anigmaalright :)
12:50.02greenmang0enouf: is it possible to avoid installation of "suggests" packages?
12:50.03anigmalove lenny so far ;)
12:50.03enoufanigma: /msg dpkg search
12:50.12enoufgreenmang0: ofcourse
12:50.28enoufgreenmang0: those aren't installed automagically
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12:50.41greenmang0enouf: how? where can get information?
12:50.57enoufand oh yeah, i forgot, my command lists Suggests as well
12:51.33enoufgreenmang0: don't you mean Recommends? not Suggests?
12:51.37greenmang0enouf: yesterday i tried kubuntu installation on my friend's lappy... when i tried installing Firefox it fetched lot of gnome stuff as deps
12:51.47enouf...
12:51.55enouf!based on debian
12:51.56dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead.  Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:52.50enoufgreenmang0: on Debian - the only issue was with Recommends, not Suggests - no idea what other distros are doing
12:52.58greenmang0enouf: i was still able to remove that gnome stuff and Firefox running properly
12:53.16greenmang0enouf: ok.. then tell me about Recommends
12:53.17enouf!congratulate greenmang0
12:53.17dpkgNice one greenmang0, you did it!
12:53.41greenmang0!thanks mr.bot
12:53.41dpkggreenmang0: de rien
12:53.47enouf/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false";
12:54.38greenmang0enouf: do i need to create that file there?
12:55.13Qew/etc/apt/apt.conf will work. add the line: APT::Install-Recommends "false";
12:56.14Qewhopefully this is for a debian box. I imagine it'd work for *cough* kubuntu ;)
12:56.30greenmang0Qew: there's no /etc/apt/apt.conf
12:56.35Qewthen make one
12:56.42greenmang0Qew: ok
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12:57.11greenmang0will try that.. since i dont' have ubuntu here right now :)
12:57.57Qewnor do most of us here, I suppose
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12:58.33greenmang0Qew: yeah... after all we use an Universal OS :)
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13:01.24Arafangiongreenmang0: netbsd?
13:01.40greenmang0Arafangion: nah... Debian Lenny
13:01.56ranixnah there will never be a universal OS
13:02.06ranixpeople will keep buying Mac OS just to be contrary
13:02.21ranixlike they do now
13:02.24enoufruns '/whereami'
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13:04.53dokmaguys! is there any porn filter for debian/firefox ?
13:05.11abrotmanyour eyes?
13:05.13Arafangiondokma: dansguardian is particularly good.
13:05.29ranixdokma: there are plugins for that, but they're easily bypassed
13:05.33Arafangionabrotman: As usual, you give the most helpful responses! :)
13:05.34surlyjakedokma, openDNS is a great solution
13:05.43abrotmanArafangion: he didn't say why ..
13:05.45ranixdokma: do you have young ones, or do you just want to save your eyes
13:05.48Arafangionabrotman: Indeed.
13:06.01Arafangionabrotman: I think we've covered both extremes.
13:06.33dokmaArafangion: just reading about dansguardian
13:06.40dokmaseems like the right thing for me
13:06.48enouffinally notices it's not his hands that click on pr0n links :-p
13:06.57dokmaranix: I want to keep myself away from it
13:07.08ranixah then you should be fine with most anything
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13:07.23ranixdnsguardian, opendns, or just a firefox plugin
13:07.29Arafangiondokma: You might consider asking your ISP if they do can do any filtering on their end - some do.
13:07.34Arafangiondokma: For businesses.
13:07.44dokmaArafangion: this is home box
13:07.57dokmayou guys are very helpful !
13:07.58enouf.. are you planning on taking flying lessons anytime in the near future?
13:08.01Arafangiondokma: Whatever. :)
13:09.03enoufhides
13:09.03dokmatanks a bunch!
13:09.03ranixenouf: I see what you did there
13:09.03enoufwas bad .. sorry
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13:10.19anigmawhat kind of packages do I need to install to get 'make' './configure' etc working?
13:10.36OpenTokixenouf: make, automake, autoconf
13:10.37enouf!build-essential
13:10.37dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages.  If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential".  If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package.  Ask me about <qotd49>.
13:10.51maveasWhat's m4 used for?
13:11.02Arafangionmaveas: It's a macro processor.
13:11.21enouf!8ball What's m4 used for?
13:11.21dpkgYes.
13:11.31abrotmansendmail usually
13:11.41abrotmanwait .. is that right ?
13:11.47valdynyea
13:11.53Arafangionabrotman: No, although sendmail /does/ use it these days. :)
13:12.13abrotmanwhat was the old thing it used to use ?
13:12.48Arafangionabrotman: Poor mortals used to have to fight with the raw configuration files instead, somehow bashing it into configuration and praying to their deity that it would work the next day.
13:13.05abrotmanArafangion: but the 'language' had a name IIRC
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13:13.45Arafangionabrotman: They either used m4, and just referred to it as 'm4', or they gave the particular set of macros a name - that name may be what you're after.
13:14.03Arafangionabrotman: Arguably, potentially like LaTeX is the name given to a particular set of macros used in TeX.
13:14.06abrotmanbut this was a long time ago .. like 199x ?
13:14.15Arafangionabrotman: It's still used today, afaik.
13:14.28abrotmanicky
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13:14.37ranixhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_(computer_language)
13:14.46ranixyou could at least try a little googling
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13:14.51ranixI don't ask much
13:14.52superlinuxhello
13:15.00abrotmanranix: i did .. that doesn't answer my question .. thanks for trying
13:15.17superlinuxis there a database of all wireless cards?
13:15.28abrotmanthat does what?
13:15.53superlinuxis there a database of all wireless cards so i can check their compatibility with Linux?
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13:16.37nsadmin#wireless
13:16.43abrotmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers
13:16.45superlinuxabrotman, ? is there?
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13:17.03nsadminthat's on-topic there :)
13:17.25hattsthi, plugging in my external hdd to a newly-installed debian desktop gives this message: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'WD1'. (it works as plug-n-play on other machines, whether win or linux)
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13:17.30superlinuxabrotman, would you plz select for me from ebay.com.au?
13:17.35superlinuxcos i need one
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13:17.50ranixthis man does not beat around the bush
13:17.52superlinuxlike a one you would trust to work
13:18.25nsadminsuperlinux: try #wireless
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13:18.49abrotmansuperlinux: wait .. you want me to buy a card on ebay for you?
13:19.01ranixabrotman: sorry for being rude a few minutes ago, I thought you were asking for what m4 was used in, somehow
13:19.19abrotmanranix: i was, and i remembered sendmail, but i thought that they had changed languages at some point .. no worries
13:19.22superlinuxno!!!
13:19.26MrWaxdoes anyone know how I can turn of the initial standard screen notification when I start screen?
13:19.31superlinuxchoose for me only
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13:19.39ranixm4 was used in automake and autoconf
13:19.39superlinuxso i can buy
13:19.41ranixperhaps still is
13:19.44nsadminsuperlinux: try #wireless
13:19.49superlinuxok
13:20.26superlinuxi have really no trust that the thing would work
13:20.26nsadminthat's where your question is actually on topic :) I don't know if it is here
13:20.28abrotmanranix: yeah, that i know also ..
13:21.04nsadminI have a usb dongle I bought for 20 bux, it works fine
13:21.05QewMrWax: in .screenrc add: startup_message off
13:21.05abrotmansuperlinux: it's really not that hard .. and ebay is probably not an awesome place to buy a card .. some of those cards/drivers depends on the revision .. much better to go to the store and get it .. you can then return it if you find it's not supported
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13:21.29abrotmanRyushin Attack!
13:21.31anigmaafter I've installed eggdrop.. where do I find the config files and stuff?
13:22.15Ryushinabrotman:  Dodge, swish, run away.....  :0
13:22.19Ryushin:)
13:22.30Arafangionnsadmin: It's spelt "bucks".
13:22.39superlinuxok
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13:23.08Arafangionabrotman: Some of those cards can be awfully cheap, though!
13:23.22Ryushinabrotman:  How's it going?  Picked up a G1 phone last week and I'm going to put Debian on it this weekend.
13:23.32ranixsuperlinux: which card specifically doesn't matter; what matters is the chipset the card is using (the internal junk that makes it work)
13:23.35nsadminArafangion: it is?!??! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! you mean I've been making that mistake now for 20 whole seconds? oh how BAD of me!
13:23.36abrotmanArafangion: goign to be expensive if you keep buying cards that don't work
13:24.00Arafangionnsadmin: You should be ashamed of yourself.
13:24.11Arafangionabrotman: True.
13:24.18superlinuxranix, i Knoww! but the brands are masqurading them
13:24.20ranixsuperlinux: you might get told that, for example, the Atheros 125 chipset is pretty good. Then you could google for cards containing that version of the Atheros chipset
13:24.23nsadminyeah, I should be :) oh well...
13:24.24superlinuxand i cannot tell
13:24.25enoufArafangion: 'spelt' is spelled 'spelled' :-P
13:24.38ranixsometimes it's confusing as F
13:25.00Arafangionenouf: In which dialect? :)
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13:25.06ranixpersonally I haul around a car battery, inverter, and linksys WRT with super-antennas
13:25.09ranixI am not lying
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13:25.35enoufpiggybacks off of ranix
13:25.37nsadminranix: a car battery?!
13:25.42ranixlol yes
13:25.45module000ranix: ever built an amplifier for your 2.4ghz tranceiver?
13:25.52p0g0_superlinux:  madwifi-project has a list of the atheros gear - join #madwifi and invoke  madcompat!
13:26.01nsadminin what, your backpack?
13:26.01ranixmodule000: haven't needed to, the range on that thing is like half a mile
13:26.06ranixcar
13:26.09enoufArafangion: the ones that don't use colour O_o
13:26.14MrWaxi altered /etc/ssh/sshd_config and would like to restart sshd now, but get this msg: "requires execution with an absolute path"
13:26.14nsadminjust be careful of two things...
13:26.18MrWaxany clue what i need to exec?
13:26.19nsadminthe chemicals
13:26.25module000ranix: darn.  i need advice about building one, figured you would be the one to ask after what you carry around ;]
13:26.26nsadminand explosions
13:26.35Arafangionenouf: I think you deserve a pat... but somehow I'm reluctant to give one. :)
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13:27.09superlinuxp0g0_, i want that tp-link!! it had aethros
13:27.11p0g0_ranix: you'd do a lot better with good antennas than an amp in most cases.
13:27.17ranixmodule000: the way I understand it, the noise introduced by amplification has a net detraction on performance at long ranges
13:27.28hattsthi, plugging in my external hdd to a newly-installed debian desktop gives this message: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'WD1'. (it works as plug-n-play on other machines, whether win or linux) <-- :(
13:27.29\amethystMrWax:  /etc/init.d/ssh restart
13:27.41nsadminthe amp will amplify the noise...
13:27.50MrWax\amethyst: that gives me that error
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13:27.59nsadminotoh, you can have an amp on the transmit side
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13:28.09MrWax\amethyst: oops nvm
13:28.11Arafangionranix: I'd imagine that depends on if you're merely listening and recording, or if you're actually using it in real time.
13:28.30p0g0_module000:  high amplicifaction also can distort the signal
13:28.32Arafangionranix: You could reconstruct a noisy signal.
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13:28.52nsadminimagine a thousand-watt linear amp for wireless networking... yes, it's true, the fcc WILL find you...
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13:29.19module000ranix: well I found commercial amplifiers, but they are tto the tune of several thousand dollars.  but my plans are more of a 1 watt amp with a directional antenna i've constructed, i'm trying to link a distance of about 1.5 miles with a perfect line of sight
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13:29.40Arafangionnsadmin: If I understand it right, the fcc only cares if it's omnidirectional at that amp...
13:29.44nsadminand you would need a more solid antenna, and safe distance between you and the antenna and amp
13:29.46Arafangionnsadmin: A focused beam is less of an issue
13:29.47p0g0_module000: I have done 8 mile links without amps
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13:30.12p0g0_Arafangion: now- they have very specific rules about point to point vs multicast
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13:30.22nsadminArafangion: but a focused beam has more RF safety issues
13:30.27module000p0g0_: that's pretty impressive, 802.11g or N?
13:30.43p0g0_nsadmin: there are calculators for safe distances and EIRPs
13:30.44petemca lot of people wouldnt have to worry about the fcc
13:30.54nsadminyes
13:30.56Arafangionnsadmin: Not sure if that's FCC's prime concern.
13:31.04p0g0_module000: 802.11a in that case.
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13:31.11nsadminand at that power level you should have one
13:31.14Arafangionnsadmin: They care more about dividing the bandwidth.
13:31.15p0g0_It's all in the antennas
13:31.42ArafangionpeterS: "wouldnt" is incorrect - do you mean "don't", or "shouldn't"?
13:32.00nsadminArafangion: they recently sold the -vast- bandwidth that used to be reserved for tv
13:32.03petemcArafangion: huh?
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13:32.14nsadminthat's a LOT of space
13:32.24hattstArafangion, shouldn't that comma be inside the double quotes?
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13:32.31|bbinotto|hi, with pstree -Al i see process like -atd---14*[atd---sh---...], when i kill the first atd with its number, all 14 subproccess move to the root and are beeing executed, how can i
13:32.33Arafangionnsadmin: That's in America.
13:32.41|bbinotto|kill the whole bunch?
13:32.43petemcArafangion: the fcc have no jurisdiction in the majority of the world
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13:32.46Arafangionhattst: Refer to the original term.
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13:32.53Arafangionpetemc: I'm Australian.
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13:32.55nsadminyep, that's where the FCC is too :)
13:32.56abrotman|bbinotto|: kill the PPID ?
13:33.04petemcArafangion: congratulations, mate
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13:33.15p0g0_nsadmin: the larger issue for most of the wifi is that it is unliscenced spectrum, so other RF devices share it too- that causes all manners of noise issues for wifi.
13:33.16|bbinotto|abrotman: PPID of the top atd process?
13:33.20Arafangionpetemc: They might not have jurisdiction here, but we have to follow the standards.
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13:33.29petemcArafangion: according to who?
13:33.32abrotman|bbinotto|: sorry, of the sh under that (i'd think anyways)
13:33.45Arafangionpetemc: Come to think of it, I'm not sure.
13:34.02nsadminp0g0_ hence there are antenna gain restrictions and power level restrictions
13:34.12|bbinotto|abrotman: i'm not exactly sure what you mean
13:34.13Arafangionis off to bed.
13:34.17p0g0_petemc: the FCC and ETSI dominate the market fro wireless gear, so all the chipsets are bound to those regulatory domains.
13:34.35AnthroI was using a router configuration startup script (under Debian) on a router previously, and now I can't remember the name. It was largely a higher-level config file format for iptables configuration. Any idea what package it might have been?
13:35.24|bbinotto|how to kill this whole process structure: http://pastebin.com/m10f91f82
13:35.25AnthroNever mind, it was shorewall
13:35.27p0g0_nsadmin: yeah, they are a good thing.  Otherwise folks who don't know what they are doing would just buy big amps and wipe everyeone else off the band.
13:35.27nsadminAnthro ipmasq?
13:35.38justinAnthro: apt-cache search iptables
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13:35.50Anthrojustin: Just did, which is how I found it. But thanks.
13:35.52abrotman|bbinotto|: see the 'sh' .. that's the shell that atd spawned
13:35.58p0g0_Anthro: shorewall?
13:36.06abrotman|bbinotto|: if you really want to be vicious .. kill 2584 i'd guess
13:36.12|bbinotto|abrotman: yes, 14x times, to i have to kill them all manually?
13:36.31abrotman|bbinotto|: and then go shoot the PHP dev :)
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13:37.12|bbinotto|abrotman: when i doo kill 2584, the subprocess beginn to run
13:37.23abrotmanbegin ? or still ?
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13:37.46|bbinotto|abrotman: hmm maybe still
13:38.05abrotmanis 2584 still running also ?
13:38.11|bbinotto|abrotman: no
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13:38.36abrotman|bbinotto|: pgrep 7i .. show the PIDs you want to kill ?
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13:39.04|bbinotto|abrotman: ah thats nice
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13:39.37heloif i've installed a non-dpkg version of a program to coexist with the apt package, and it is installed in /usr/local/, how do i get it to use /usr/local/lib/ instead of /usr/lib?
13:39.53|bbinotto|abrotman: how can i kill these?
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13:41.03Lirionhelo: most Makefiles have make uninstall or make remove
13:41.14Lirionah no forget it. read wrong
13:41.24Liriontry make help
13:41.36Lirionif not, examine the Makefile. there should be an option for target dirs
13:42.03helodoes aptitude remove pidgin
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13:42.40Lirionyeah... coexistence didn't work for me. I know the pidgin case, I install that from source either, because even the backports aren't up-to-date
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13:43.00valdynhelo: thats the default
13:43.00Qewbackport your own
13:43.10valdynhelo: and it breaks your system
13:43.20|bbinotto|abrotman: pkill 7i worked , thank you
13:43.31valdynhelo: you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH
13:43.49LirionQew: I'm new to packaging. New as in "never managed to create my own package". I'll consider that as soon as I know enough about deb creation :)
13:44.01Lirionuntil that, compiling from source suffices my needs
13:44.10Liriononly mny kernel is a deb :D
13:44.25valdynhelo: its globally configured at /etc/ld.so.conf*, but you dont want that to generally override your debian provided libraries
13:44.33ranixI generally only compile from source when I've edited the source
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13:45.50ranixbeing able to tweak things is amazing, though. I didn't realize just how great it was to be able to quickly and easily fetch and alter source was until recently
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13:46.28Liriondepends on what alterations you do and therefore maybe what language(s) the programmer used
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13:47.05ranixI've made alterations to hellanzb, pidgin plugins, mud clients, pork, all sorts of stuff
13:47.24ranixminor things that save me a ton of aggrivation when aggregated
13:47.35QewLirion: it's not hard in the case of pidgin. Just set up an unstable deb-src line in sources.list, then just aptitude build-dep pidgin/unstable (as root), then go and create a directory somewhere called build or whatever (not root), and just, as a normal user apt-get -t unstable source pidgin. Go into the pidgin directory created, and then, as user (not root), run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc and you should get a nice .deb file to ins
13:47.58Lirionis unstable always up-to-date?
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13:48.05Qewoh, and install fakeroot
13:48.10Lirionalways meaning... well a few days behind at maximum
13:48.19Qewsid has 2.5.7
13:48.21ranixLirion: it's not possible for unstable to actually be synched with upstream
13:48.27QewI'm on Lenny with pidgin 2.5.7
13:48.35ranixbut it's as close as it can be while retaining debian policy standards
13:48.47ranixmaybe as close as it can be period
13:48.49Liriondo I have to use fakeroot? I mean, I've installed it already, but this kind of work - I do it as root on a console
13:49.06hattstI'm getting a bit confused in the process of getting a (non-free) nvidia driver, using this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Chooseadriverversion - could someone please give me a hand in 'choosing a driver'? here's my lspci output: http://pastebin.com/m7abac08f
13:49.19ranixfor such an insignificant package as pidgin I woudl probably just compile it from source and make install, Lirion
13:49.34QewLirion: it'll work as I described
13:49.35Lirionthat's what I currently do
13:49.37ranixit's not like this is python
13:49.47Qewno need for root... other than build-dep and the final dpkg -i
13:50.11Lirionbut why use a workaround like fakeroot when I do all this work as root? :)
13:50.37SebLirion: why do you not use your root account all the time ?
13:50.40themillLirion: there are some packages that will fail to build when built as root. (i.e. you need to use fakeroot)
13:50.45fender0107401Hi all I solved the ntp problem by "mv /etc/rc2.d/S23ntp /etc/rc2.d/S99ntp".
13:50.55LirionSeb: it's not as if I use root for normal applications or even in an xterm
13:51.12SebLirion: same reasoning applies here, as in "why risk it?"
13:51.20Lirionthemill: thx
13:51.23abrotmanLirion: pidgin 2.5.5 is in backports.org ?
13:51.30Sebthemill: give me an example
13:51.35themillSeb: quilt
13:51.36abrotmaneh .. ignore that
13:51.44ranixfakeroot is just a good "best use practice" type thing to do
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13:52.13ranixthere's no one instance in which it will save the world
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13:52.31ranixbut using it generally is pretty good
13:52.43Sebthemill: "apt-get source quilt ; cd quilt-x.y ; fakeroot debian/rules binary" fails as root ?
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13:53.15QewLirion: here's a useful tutorial for what you might want to do: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976
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13:55.28themillSeb: you'll need an apt-get build-dep quilt in there too, but yes. tias.
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14:00.23Lirionforums.debian.net has no https
14:00.47Lirionjust noticed :D
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14:01.16zxdhi
14:01.24zxdare there debian tools for creating Windows DomUs
14:01.32Sebthemill: correct; debuild does it fine, whereas sudo debuild fails
14:01.48themillI know...
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14:02.30Sebthemill: I know you know, I was merely stating my surprise
14:02.35themillhehe
14:03.26hattstthe script mentioned here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Chooseadriverversion returns "Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version." for me - what should I do now?
14:04.17Lirionhattst: check nvidia.com itself. Look for the normal driver and its supported cards, if your card is not mentioned there, examine the legacy driver
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14:04.59abrotmanexcept .. that may not apply to Debian stable
14:05.10abrotmanhattst: which card to you have?
14:05.10hattsthttp://pastebin.com/m7abac08f is my lspci output, for whatever it's worth. I'll check nvidia.com
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14:05.29themillDon't worry.... I was quite surprised by it at the time too.... I was about to fire up reportbug for a ftbfs until I did some more poking around. (It also doesn't like being built in a chroot unless you've got /proc mounted in there... it's a pretty weird package all around)
14:05.31abrotmanGeForce 7100 .. i'd guess legacy ?
14:05.34themillSeb: ^^
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14:05.43Lirionhattst: 185.x should do fine
14:05.57LirionI run that driver on a laptop woith a GeForce Go 7300
14:06.14Lirionso actually, the 7 generation should still be supported non-legacy
14:06.39Lirionhehe
14:06.39Jidsi'm triple-booting winxp, win7, and Debian... but Grub's giving me "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7\nsavedefault\nError 29: Disk write error" when i try to run the Vista/Longhorn loader... how do i fix this?
14:06.42Lirionthe script you posted
14:06.52Lirionit returns "not supported" for my 8800 gtx as well
14:06.59Lirionwhich is definitely _wrong_.
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14:07.38hattstLirion, sorry, as I'm totally inexperienced please either be more descriptive as to what I should do or say where that fits in the directions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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14:08.07Lirionthat's a long description
14:08.26Lirionif you just want to install the driver, download the driver from nvidia and run sh filename.sh on it
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14:08.54MadMoneyOr chmod +x the script and execute it properly.
14:09.04hattstLirion, oookay, I was hesitant to do that because http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers seems to sternly forbid that
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14:09.22Lirionwith the addition that, each time you chenge your kernel, your Xserver will fail complaining about the driver, showing you that you need to rerun the script
14:09.44themillyay... that sounds like a lovely way of doing things
14:10.04Lirionnever did it that way, so I can't say which is better - IÄm doing fine with just running the script, that can be said
14:10.15MadMoneySo don't change your kernel and everything will be fine... seems reasonable to me.
14:10.24abrotmanhattst: you shouldn't get the ones from nvidia.com
14:10.42Lirionah I see
14:10.51abrotmanhattst: they're not supported here, and when your system decides to kill X (not if, *when*), you won't get help here
14:11.13Lirionnvidia.org's tutorial doesn't get the drivers from nvidia.com. I sternly recommend to to like abrotman says, get it from nvidia.com. It's not ATI, the driver doesn't suck. :)
14:11.23Lirioneh debian.org's tutorial
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14:11.28hattstabrotman,  okay, then what should I do at this point, please?
14:11.30abrotmanthey still suck .. boo closed/binary only driver
14:11.33abrotmandrivers
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14:11.43nsadminI think he said don't get it from nvidi...a
14:11.44MadMoneyabrotman: They're fine if you don't change your kernel.
14:12.00Lirionabrotman: comparing nvidia and ATI drivers is comparing a house in need of restorations to a ruin
14:12.12MadMoneyabrotman: Just as good as Windows, which is industry standard if you're talking about running X11.
14:12.19abrotmanhattst: do you have the non-free/contrib sources
14:12.29abrotmanMadMoney: great .. never ever change your kernel .. what could go wrong
14:12.31hattstabrotman, yes
14:12.40MadMoneyabrotman: Absolutely nothing for most people.
14:12.43nsadminLirion: you live in one and sell the other!
14:12.53abrotmanhattst: apt-cache show nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx might show you
14:12.55Lirionnsadmin: true :D
14:13.00Lirionand yes, I read wrong again -.-
14:13.01abrotmanMadMoney: just security .. no big deal ..
14:13.03LirionI need coffee.
14:13.26MadMoneyBroken X isn't that big of a deal. I use Debian Linux and I don't even have it installed. I just use the terminal.
14:13.34nsadminbecause...
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14:13.46abrotmanMadMoney: great for you .. he wants X
14:13.54LirionMadMoney: that's a matter of taste and used applications.
14:14.12Liriona console is a great thing, but it does lack _some_ confort
14:14.27hattstabrotman, forgive me if my question is stupid, but, I literally pass the command "apt-cache show nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx"?
14:14.32MadMoneyHe'll just upgrade his driver when he changes the kernel, then. :)
14:14.37abrotmanhattst: does it fail ?
14:15.24MadMoneyWe need a "compatibility mode" in Linux that runs older software in a virtual machine (or maybe just chroot if the only difference is libc  version).
14:15.39abrotmanyeah .. great plan
14:16.12hattstabrotman, no, I was unclear whether that was the command. just a sec please
14:16.20valanhuh? why need compatability mode?
14:16.37abrotmanpeople just make things up to start trouble
14:16.42MadMoneyvalan: To save time on having to upgrade modules and user space applications with the rest of the system.
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14:17.06MadMoneySoftware development companies wouldn't have to release new binaries for years. :)
14:17.20valani fail to see why someone would only update some things but not others
14:17.21sarguruhi
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14:17.34valani also fail to see why someone would want to use software that hasn't been updated in years
14:17.34sarguruhas any1 used light squid
14:17.42MadMoneyFace it, Linux sucks at running old software. Windows can run software from 1999 (Windows 3.1) and really old drivers.
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14:17.57MadMoneyvalan: To save money.
14:17.57valanwhat old software do you want to run anyway?
14:17.57abrotmanMadMoney: that's called a stable API ..
14:18.11nsadminsarguru: /msg dpkg ask
14:18.12MadMoneyabrotman: That's true...
14:18.47MadMoneyWell, I want to run an old version of Quickbooks. :\
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14:18.50ranixMadMoney: my company is running software from 1999. It would be infinitely better for everyone here if my company was UNABLE to run software from 1999
14:19.17hattstabrotman, http://pastebin.com/m799f0231
14:19.34valdynthats a myth, linux runs old software jsut fine, windows does not run old software in general
14:19.35ranixMadMoney: run the old version of Quickbooks on an old computer with an old operating system
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14:19.46MadMoneyranix: If you had to pay for the upgrade, I think your company would choose to stay with the old solution that still works while focusing capital on truly new technologies.
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14:20.04bob_fHello, what's the correct way to configure things such as what sensible-browser points to ?
14:20.10abrotmanhattst: so no one wants to claim your card?
14:20.16abrotmanbob_f: update-alternatives
14:20.31ranixMadMoney: "still works" to people who understand software and "still works" to management are VERY different. Word 97 does NOT "still work" for our company, yet we are still using it because it *still runs*
14:20.31nsadminpkrumins: but the original expr that I saw was...
14:20.40hattstabrotman, I don't know what you mean by that
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14:20.47abrotmanhattst: do you see your card there?
14:21.09MadMoneyranix: Actually, I picked up an old copy of Windows 97 and it is just fine, especially Excel.
14:21.16bob_fabrotman: Thanks.
14:21.26valanit might have ran fine, but there's so many things it doesn't do fine
14:21.29MadMoneyDisclaimer: I'm a business major.
14:21.34ranixvalan: ++
14:21.36abrotmanWindows97 eh ?
14:21.42abrotmanwould like to see that
14:21.43MadMoneyI mean Word.
14:21.47ranixI saw a copy of Windows 97
14:21.51abrotmanbut Word has Excel ?
14:21.54JyZyXELWindows 97
14:21.56JPTthere is no win97 xD
14:22.00ranixI think it was just pirated Windows 98 from China
14:22.04valanit won't keep all the security holes and all the bugs that were found in the last 10 years fixed
14:22.06themillpoints towards #debian-offtopic
14:22.09MadMoneyYes it it does abrotman, it's called an OLE object embed.
14:22.11valdynthis is silly, a large junk of debian predates windows
14:22.22ranixlol OLE
14:22.26abrotmanno, tha'ts not excel
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14:23.05bob_fabrotman: Hm, I do "update-alternatives --config sensible-browser" and it says "No alternatives for sensible-browser."
14:23.10MadMoneyOkay, now I remember, that is what forced me to start using Word 2003... embedding an OLE object (Excel) in Word 97 does NOT work fine. In fact, it crashes and loses work.
14:23.30MadMoneyconcedes.
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14:24.05valanit's usually to everyone's advantage to run the latest stable or newer software
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14:24.25ranixMadMoney: Here's something they don't teach you in a business major. Use the right tool for the right job. Do the job correctly the first time so that you don't have to do it again. Don't try to cut corners using ten-year-old software to save a buck, and don't pass costs to another department just to save your budget.
14:24.32hattstabrotman, oh, well, frankly I'm so clueless that I don't even know what card I have (though I suppose lspci ( http://pastebin.com/m7abac08f ) says GeForce 7100?). I was for some reason illusioned into thinking that you were going to hold my hand in this process :)
14:24.40hattston which the point, would you please?
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14:25.18MadMoneyranix: Clearly you're not aware of an important concept called a negative extranality.
14:25.19valdynhattst: so you dont need a legacy driver anyway
14:25.33valdynhattst: which part of the debian nvidia faq doesnt work is is not clear?
14:26.16abrotmanthinks valdyn's last question isn't clear :(
14:26.26valdynhattst: which part of the debian nvidia faq doesnt work *or* is not clear?
14:26.31valanjust to lighten everyone's mood, go run 'apt-get moo' !
14:26.40ranix!moo
14:26.40dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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14:26.59MadMoneyOld joke.
14:27.10valani am aware of this
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14:27.33MadMoneyapt-get democracy
14:28.15themillE: Invalid operation
14:29.12valansure would be nice if my link was as fast as my server's
14:29.33MadMoneyHaha, Debian is so fascist.
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14:29.59valanbe nice MadMoney, show some love
14:30.03valan!love
14:30.03dpkgLove is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  At night, the ice weasels come.
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14:31.33MadMoneySeriously, Ice Weasel is not a good name for a browser in English-speaking countries.
14:31.41abrotmanMadMoney: #debian-offtopic
14:31.41MadMoneyWe should have a contest to find a better name.
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14:32.34cobra-the-jokerHey guys ...i downloaded some rp9 codecs from the internet for the mplayer ....where should i put them ???
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14:34.15FlimzySo identd isn't working on my system with kernel 2.6.18... 'modprobe tcp_diag' solves the problem... However adding tcp_diag to /etc/modules, then rebooting, while it loads the tcp_diag module, does not cause identd to work until I once again run 'modprobe tcp_diag' manually. Any ideas what's up here?
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14:34.59jellycobra-the-joker: the simplest way to deal with those is not to download them manually, but use the w32codecs package from /msg dpkg dmm
14:35.03hattstjust now to make sure -- I'll be fine in passing these commands: http://pastebin.com/m6cf142c3 correct?
14:35.25cobra-the-jokerjelly  , ok
14:36.17jellycobra-the-joker: the dmm build of mplayer looks in /usr/local/lib/win32 for codecs.  I don't know whether you have that one or the one from the distro.
14:36.19JyZyXELwhats the fastest way to call XResizeWindow() from the command line?
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14:37.15jellyJyZyXEL: how often do you want to resize your windows?
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14:37.31JyZyXELjelly, well right now
14:37.34cobra-the-jokerjelly , Working ..ty
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14:38.00jellyJyZyXEL: if it's once, when started, devilspie might work for you
14:38.12themillJyZyXEL: alternatively, most/many applications accept a -geometry option on startup
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14:39.02jellytotally forgot about the Xt option
14:39.56__sawHow would i execute automaticaly when I start up: echo '1' > /proc/acpi/video/*/DOS as root
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14:41.03jelly!rc.local
14:41.04dpkgfrom memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence.  If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).  rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>).
14:41.11JyZyXELgreat
14:41.16JyZyXELthe manual doesn't have examples
14:41.43jellyJyZyXEL: your app doesn't have -geometry?
14:41.43JyZyXELthere should be a rule against manuals not having examples
14:41.49JyZyXELjelly, it does not
14:42.09jellyJyZyXEL: which app is it?  It could be something similar.
14:42.17JyZyXELxchat2
14:42.22themillJyZyXEL: send patches for the man page
14:42.38JyZyXELthemill, yea like anyone cares about random patched
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14:42.59themillumm... they do.
14:43.11jellyJyZyXEL: have you tried asking in #xchat if there's a way to preset the window size?
14:43.27JyZyXELjelly, yes
14:43.37jelly!devilspie
14:43.38dpkgDevil's Pie is a utility to detect windows during their creation and perform desired actions (e.g. resizing, pinning, moving to another workspace).  Packaged for Debian.  http://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie  http://foosel.org/linux/devilspie  http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
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14:44.17jellyJyZyXEL: mine remembers the size last used, so it's written down _somewhere_
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14:45.05jellyJyZyXEL: I suggest you look around the config files in .xchat2/ directory
14:45.18themillsomewhere in ~/.xchat2/ most likely
14:45.19hattststill a tad bit confused -- to begin with, how might I "Set a VERSION variable, which the rest of the instructions will refer to, to "-legacy", "-legacy-96xx", "-legacy-71xx" or an empty string." as is listed in the directions @ http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Chooseadriverversion ?
14:45.35jellywon't give spoonfeed the answer
14:45.40jellys/ give//
14:45.59JyZyXELholy shit
14:46.09JyZyXELdevilspie really just fucked up my desktop
14:46.26JyZyXELit like resized all my desktop elements :D
14:46.36jellyyou likely told it to.
14:46.59zxdwhere are the sample config files for creating winXP domus
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14:47.01zxdin debian
14:47.06JyZyXELif (is (application_name) "XChat")) (geometry "1024x768+0+0")
14:47.20JyZyXEL(if (is (application_name) "XChat")) (geometry "1024x768+0+0")
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14:48.10jellyJyZyXEL: you closed your (if ) and gave it an unconditional (geometry )
14:48.26JyZyXELwell the syntax is all weird
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14:49.34JyZyXEL(if (is (application_name) "XChat") geometry "1024x768+0+0")
14:49.41JyZyXELim guessing thats how it supposed to be
14:49.44jellyJyZyXEL: http://pastebin.com/f475a574f
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14:50.26JyZyXELdamn it
14:50.51enoufdoesn't like too many conditions on his conditioner
14:51.57JyZyXELoh its needs to be xchat in lowercase
14:52.00JyZyXELrandom
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14:53.34hattstbah, it's still not making much sense to me - someone please give me a hand, http://pastebin.com/m7abac08f being my lspci, which driver version do I need?
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14:56.36JyZyXELfuck it ill write a bug report for once
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14:59.50jellyJyZyXEL: use whatever name xprop/xwininfo tells you
15:00.04JyZyXELya i got it to work
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15:00.22JyZyXELbut x11vnc wont work with windows even when their correct size
15:00.34JyZyXELits borken
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15:02.18JyZyXELorphaned package
15:02.33JyZyXELguess its time to upgrade vnc server then
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15:03.20JyZyXELi remember it being extremely hard back in the days to get linux vnc servers to attach to the current X session
15:03.24JyZyXELthey would always make their own session
15:03.41JyZyXELand then x11vnc came and it attached to the current session by default
15:03.44JyZyXELi was like fuck yea!
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15:05.54iluminator101How do you disable ethernet or any connect on bootup
15:06.16themillJyZyXEL: which package that you're looking at is orphaned?
15:06.18petemciluminator101: dont have auto entries in /etc/network/interfaces
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15:06.25JyZyXELthemill, x11vnc
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15:06.56nsadminiluminator101 edit that file
15:07.17nsadminI'd say comment them out, don't actually remove them...
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15:07.37enoufhattst: "...  To determine which version you should use, you can run this script, which will propose to set VERSION."
15:07.41nsadminand don't comment out the auto lo
15:07.47themillJyZyXEL: someone has picked up and intends to adopt the package though.
15:08.03hattst<hattst> the script mentioned here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Chooseadriverversion returns "Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version." for me - what should I do now?
15:08.06enoufhattst: "this script" is a URL to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=nvidia-versions.sh
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15:09.03iluminator101whats this inet command on interfaces?
15:09.05hattstenouf, yes, it was that script that gave me "Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version."
15:09.29enoufhattst: GeForce 7100 / NVIDIA nForce 630i 0x07E1
15:09.42enoufhttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html
15:09.59JyZyXELlooks like no other linux vnc server allows you to share a spesific window
15:10.02JyZyXELhow crappy
15:10.13enoufso, use the 173.x driver hattst
15:11.34themillJyZyXEL: vnc is not about sharing the current desktop but sharing a virtual desktop. Hence the "v" in vnc.
15:11.34hattstenouf, earlier others advised me against downloading drivers from nvidia.com (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers itself doesn't look to it warmly either)
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15:11.34JyZyXELthemill, no one needs that
15:11.34enoufhattst: i know - i am as well
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15:11.34petemcJyZyXEL: nx
15:11.35JyZyXEL99% you wanna share the current desktop
15:11.35shane2peruquick question, is Debian considered a rolling release distrobution?
15:11.35themillJyZyXEL: right... how silly of me. No-one would possibly want want vnc. That's why it was written.
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15:12.02JyZyXELthemill, in windows world vnc's share the current desktop also
15:12.04hattstenouf, soooo, why are you telling me to now? :) is it that I'm in some isolated case that I have no choice but to use the drivers from nvidia.com, or something like that?
15:12.19jpinxJyZyXEL: try x11vnc
15:12.24enoufhattst: no, one moment
15:12.25petemcJyZyXEL: the remote framebuffer apps share the current desktop
15:12.37themillJyZyXEL: only because windows doesn't really have the idea of a virtual desktop.
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15:12.49shane2peruif the repos are the stable release, then you would 'always' have the most current release?  or are the repos per release as in lenny, etc.
15:13.01JyZyXELcause the idea is so rarely used
15:13.27petemc...
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15:13.42themillJyZyXEL: just because you've never come across it before doesn't mean it's rarely used.
15:13.52iluminator101how do i check if vnc is running
15:13.55enoufhattst: are you running Lenny? and what does uname -r say?
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15:14.00JyZyXELi mean who even has a fast enough comp to run two x sessions :D
15:14.06valdynshane2peru: theres, both, but its not really different repos, just symlinks
15:14.23hattstenouf, yes, and: 2.6.26-2-686
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15:14.31nsadminJyZyXEL: I used to run 2 x sessions all the time
15:14.39shane2peruvaldyn: son when new relesase are made it isn't necessary to upgrade to the newest you would already have it?
15:14.45dementriodoes anyone here have experience with configuring ppp for 3g connections?
15:14.53JyZyXELi bet you do
15:15.04jpinxshane2peru: you need to update/upgrade from time to time
15:15.24jpinxJyZyXEL: even I can run 2 X sessions
15:15.27iluminator101Thanks Petemc and nsadmin
15:15.28valdynshane2peru: you would upgrade, but you wouldnt have to change "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:15.40shane2perujpinx: ok, so I'm confused, it isn't really a rolling release, or a regular release, it is kind of both?
15:15.40valdynshane2peru: this is dangerous, you dont want implicit upgrades
15:15.59valdynshane2peru: its regular releases
15:16.03enoufhattst: so nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 is what you want - follow the instructions at the wiki you pointed us to -- "Install the kernel module" see "Use module-assistant"
15:16.05jpinxshane2peru: it's a release with security updates for stable
15:16.21shane2peruok, thanks jpinx valdyn
15:16.27valdynshane2peru: i think you mean subreleases like 4.0rc5
15:16.38jpinxshane2peru: and you want to name the release in /etc/apt/sources.list not jsut "stable"
15:16.39shane2peruI really wish there were a rolling release that used debian.
15:16.48valdynshane2peru: sid is rolling
15:17.02valdynshane2peru: sid is defined by being rolling, that is also the reason why its called unstable
15:17.09shane2peruvaldyn: that is what is confusing me, is sid, not stable?
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15:17.12shane2peruahh
15:17.12shane2peruok
15:17.15enoufhattst: apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant build-essential
15:17.18jpinxshane2peru: you are only looking at the difference between auto update and manual
15:17.25themillshane2peru: you might want to say what you mean by "rolling release"
15:17.28valdynshane2peru: stable = not changing, sid = unstable = rolling = changing
15:17.41hattstenouf, ookay. so, essentially, it'll boil down to passing these three commands: http://pastebin.com/m4e37f6b9 correct?
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15:17.45nsadminsid is always unstable, will never be released
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15:17.50enoufhattst: then apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686
15:17.58valdynshane2peru: and debian even has 2 "rolling"  releases, thats testing and unstable
15:18.02jpinxvaldyn: it's not rolling - you still have to update sid
15:18.02shane2peruok, define terms, rolling release, install once keep for years, everything is upgraded
15:18.14valdynjpinx: that is what defines rolling uh
15:18.28valdynjpinx: no updates = stable
15:18.33hattstenouf, ok nevermind, I'll just do what you're telling me right now :D
15:18.37runahi i dont understand why my debian testing uses swap while it has free ram
15:18.41runais that a bug?
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15:18.52shane2peruok, I guess my next question is how unstable is sid?  major breakages?  problems now and then?  problems on a weekly basis?
15:18.57jpinxvaldyn:  - no stable has releases - viz 5.0.1
15:19.00nsadminhow much ram how much swap?
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15:19.14valdynjpinx: it does only get bugfixes
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15:19.18themillshane2peru: if you have to ask, use either stable or testing. "unstable" will never be released
15:19.24valdynjpinx: im not debating that a stable release TOO needs bug fixes
15:19.32nsadminshane2peru: that changes once per day (at the mirror pulse)
15:19.32jpinx;)
15:19.40valdynshane2peru: its unpredictable by its nature
15:19.42shane2peruso debian has a rolling release = sid, and regular releases dist upgrades need to be made when a major revision is made
15:19.57jpinxshane2peru: you're asking questions that indicate that you should be using stable;)
15:20.03valdynshane2peru: its not very broken on average, but by its nature you cant rely on anything
15:20.21jpinx!tell shane2peru about sid
15:20.22valdynshane2peru: rolling releases *cannot* be rock solid
15:20.29themillshane2peru: what you describe is probably best approximated by "testing", not unstable.
15:20.42shane2peruok, that is what I want to know
15:20.45nsadminis it any wonder there's a beer called rolling rock?
15:20.58runa60% of 512 ram free 7% of 1G swap used
15:21.09valdynruna: so?
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15:21.11shane2peruit isn't that I'm unfamiliar with Linux, but the debian terminology confused me, some say it was a rolling release and others say no
15:21.22themilldpkg: tell shane2peru about releases
15:21.25JyZyXELreportbugs sure is cool
15:21.26jpinx!tell shane2peru about squeeze
15:21.32JyZyXELmight do this more often
15:21.41nsadminwell "released" is the confusing part
15:21.44valdynshane2peru: theres an official point of view and a point of view just looking at how it is
15:21.44jpinx!tell shane2peru about stable
15:21.54valdynshane2peru: officially only stable is supported, and the other stuff is for developers
15:22.02themillshane2peru: some people call "stable" a rolling distro because you can upgrade it from release to release. (unlike, say ubuntu where you usually get to a fresh install, it seems)
15:22.07nsadminsee, debian thinks "release" means "this is ready, and it won't be changed."
15:22.34runa300mb ram free 100mb swap used; why does it use the swap?
15:22.36shane2peruvaldyn: right, that is what I was trying to figure out.  before I try out debian, I want to understand what to get and install
15:22.39jpinxshane2peru: it's all how you look at it - maybe you need to tell us what you are trying to do?
15:22.44valdynruna: why should it free the swap?
15:22.50tuxnanito all: how would you use your public key and private key in real world?
15:23.09azeem_tuxnani: responsively
15:23.10shane2perujpinx: right, my idea of a rolling distro is PCLinuxOS
15:23.13valdyntuxnani: off topic
15:23.22valdyntuxnani: wikipedia knows im sure
15:23.22shane2peruhowever they are greatly lacking in packages
15:23.22runavaldyn i dont want it to free it. but i cant understand why it uses it in the first place
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15:23.40shane2peruI'm tired of the 6mo cycle, and want to use my computer not re-install every 6mo
15:23.44valdynruna: once upon a time ram was more full, stuff got swapped out
15:24.02jpinxshane2peru: you will never have to "reinstall" unless you break something
15:24.03shane2peruI'm sold on deb based distro because the very large amount of packages
15:24.04valdynshane2peru: we dont reinstall ever
15:24.12valdynshane2peru: at least those of us who can use debian
15:24.40shane2perulol, so how is the upgrade from release to release
15:24.41shane2peru?
15:24.49jpinxshane2peru:  you can add and remove packages at will and upgrade when you are more confident - all without re-installing
15:24.58shane2perujpinx: ha ha, I just saw the dpkg thing
15:24.59nkuttlershane2peru: which release are you using?
15:25.04jleedevi did etch -> lenny yesterday from 250 miles away without breaking a sweat
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15:25.15shane2perunkuttler: atm I'm not using debian
15:25.21nkuttleroccasionally some service has to be reconfigured, but that's all
15:25.23shane2peruI'm investigating to see what to use.
15:25.27alex[slx]4/
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15:25.51valdyni very much doubt ubuntu needs a reinstall every 6months
15:25.56jpinxjleedev: shane2peru I did a upgrade sarge > etch > lenny in UK without a problem and I'm in Peru
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15:25.59yaaarhowdy
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15:26.05valdyndebian wont fix you being unable to use ubuntu
15:26.08shane2perujpinx: you are in Peru?
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15:26.17jpinxvaldyn: hahaha
15:26.19shane2perujpinx: I'm in Peru
15:26.31jpinxshane2peru: yea
15:26.31jleedevwe should hold an extreme long-distance system administration contest
15:26.37hattstenouf, (sorry to bother you, but), am I to proceed to the third step after your commands? specifically, this: apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx ?
15:26.40shane2peruvaldyn: no, but their upgrades haven't always been the greatest
15:26.45jpinxjleedev: I'd win
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15:27.19DeathWolfmmm
15:27.29DeathWolfwho would I blame for auto-changing my /etc/resolv.conf ?
15:27.34shane2peruI have tried so many distro's it isn't even funny, about all of them are lacking packages except the deb ones
15:27.38jpinxjleedev: I ssh  Peru > UK  and then ssh > new zealand sometimes
15:27.47themilldpkg: tell DeathWolf about fixresolvconf
15:27.51iluminator101ufw....does out when i logout....how do i keep it going even i logout?
15:27.54jpinxshane2peru: debian is the one for you then;)
15:28.09jleedevjpinx: i'm entirely contained in ohio
15:28.17jpinxshane2peru: where are you in Peru?
15:28.22shane2peruok, what is the latest stable release to download?  AMD64
15:28.27shane2perujpinx: in Cajamarca
15:28.43nsadminshane2peru: 5.0.1
15:28.51jpinxah - ok - shane2peru - I'm between Lima and Pisco
15:28.52runahow can i monitor how much ram was left when debian decided to use ram?
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15:29.09darkvaphi all
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15:29.14shane2perujpinx: been there before
15:29.29shane2perujpinx: dry area.
15:29.33jpinxbeen to cajamarca a few times - nice patch
15:29.42enoufhattst: one moment please - and - no bother
15:29.48shane2peruyep, I love Cajamarca
15:29.55shane2perunsadmin: ok, thanks
15:29.56nkuttlerruna: hm?
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15:30.09darkvaphave a ?...  is it ok to add ubuntu repositories to debian boxes?
15:30.13jpinxshane2peru: read debian.org and you'll find the installer and how to install on an amd
15:30.16valdyndarkvap: no
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15:30.26nsadmindarkvap: they won't work well
15:30.26nkuttlershane2peru: or /msg dpkg ig
15:30.27varlonhi, I'm using debian sid, after morning update my X11 working so slow (I think problem in xserver-xorg-core), how can I rollback to prevoise version of this package?
15:30.33shane2perujpinx: will do, thanks
15:30.37darkvapvaldyn, why not?
15:30.41shane2peruthanks all for the info.
15:30.43nsadmindarkvap: they won't work well
15:30.44nkuttlervarlon: /var/cache/apt/archives/
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15:30.48nkuttlervarlon: /msg dpkg snapshot
15:30.54jpinxshane2peru: pm?
15:31.00enoufhattst: where are you getting this notion you want/need nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx from? You do need an nvidia-glx pkg ...
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15:31.16valdyndarkvap: because being packaged in deb files does not make software fit
15:31.16jpinxshane2peru: /join #debian-offtopic
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15:31.46runankuttler i think that my system uses too often the swap so i wanted to know exactly in which circumstances it decides  to use the swap
15:32.09nkuttlerruna: that's some kernel setting, you'd have to check the config in /boot/
15:32.09darkvapvaldyn, can i add any others then?
15:32.17varlonnkuttler, thanks
15:32.21valdyndarkvap: the question should be reversed "do ubuntu devs take special care that they packages work in debian - no they dont"
15:32.32iluminator101Do you need more than one computer to run squid?
15:32.36valdyndarkvap: funny question
15:32.48valdyndarkvap: do you want to know if theres 3rd party repositories for debian? yes
15:33.03valdyniluminator101: no?
15:33.06darkvapvaldyn, im tryna get E17, but its not in the synaptic
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15:33.34enoufhattst: apt-get install nvidia-glx
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15:33.37hattstenouf, I misunderstood the directions then. the directions said # apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} and I replaced ${VERSION} with -legacy-71xx for my shallow understanding of things
15:33.52nsadmindarkvap: you could build it yourself or you could look for back ports or you could try back porting yourself
15:33.57hattstanyway, it's downloading now, thanks.
15:34.06enoufhattst: it;s ok - re-read that section, and you'll see more clearly
15:34.14iluminator101thanks guys
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15:34.48darkvapnsadmin, never back ported before
15:34.57enoufhattst: "there is no need to set VERSION to the empty string."
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15:36.06darkvapnsadmin, plus, i tried to install madwifi, and it didnt work, thats why i wanted to try ubuntu's repos
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15:37.18nsadmindarkvap: it's also not a good idea to mix debian stable and debian (say) testing
15:37.49enoufhattst: if all builds well and installs well - you then surely want to read this and edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#config-manual
15:38.34darkvapvaldyn, when i change repos, i get an error message every time saying that it failed to fetch a few repos links, what is going wrong?
15:38.42darkvapnsadmin, ok
15:38.43craigevildarkvap:  madwifi is in lenny, e17 is only in sid or by using a 3rd party repo but even then its built for sid
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15:39.09nkuttlerdarkvap: building backports of things in sid is usually very easy
15:39.16degradeWhat does means base packages?
15:39.25degradefor example: gcc-base?
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15:39.40azeemdegrade: it means something different for different packages/things
15:39.52azeemdegrade: see the gcc-base package description for more information
15:39.53darkvapcraigevil, my repo lists are failing some how
15:39.56degradeazeem: Hm? complex no? :D
15:40.01azeem?
15:40.08hattstenouf, all built well, and I did the things mentioned in the last step. I guess it's time I restart X -- I'll see you a few :x
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15:40.09degradeazeem: I will read.
15:40.28hattst+in a few* wish me luck. :)
15:40.35craigevildarkvap:  i have a few repos in my sources.list but i run sid, i usually have to run apt-get update twice for it to get them all, even the debian repo fails sometimes
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15:43.10darkvapcraigevil, so i should run the update through the terminal instead of the software sources program?
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15:43.26enoufheh .. poor bastard :-p
15:44.42schmidt2I'm running squeeze/sid on amd64. Since some weeks, there's no printing in Gnome: CUPS is installed and running, but there's no printers dialog in the system settings, and the "Print" button in every application is greyed out (even when the printers are listed). Can anyone tell me in which debian package the gnome printing support should normally reside, and how I can possibly recover it?
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15:44.58craigevildarkvap: i always use apt-get never used a GUI to upgrade or to install things
15:45.00hatstsenouf, I think it went well.. because everything is CRISP!! thanks so much. :)
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15:46.30darkvapcraigevil, would that upgrade me to lenny 5.01 too?
15:46.35jthomas_sbschmidt2 do you have CUPS installed?  Start there
15:46.53schmidt2jthomas_sb: yes
15:47.36ewetthis phase just before my new system installation brings refreshing new concepts to mind. one of them: using a document management system as pim on my desktop. i know of moinmoin. has another project tried something like this before?
15:47.55jthomas_sbthe command "aptitude search print |grep -i gnome" returns this, do you have this installed?  "libgnomeprint2.2-0           - The GNOME 2.2 print architecture - runtime"
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15:48.19darkvapcraigevil, is 5.0.1 a  release candidate?
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15:49.36craigevildarkvap:  i know squat about the stable releases other than the fact its called lenny
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15:49.54hatstsI'll be off for food now -- but thank you again enouf :) bye! have a nice day
15:49.59schmidt2jthomas_sb: I use apt-get, but according to "apt-get install libgnomeprint2.2-0" it is already installed
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15:51.25jthomas_sbschmidt2 do you have "system-config-printer" installed?
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15:51.59schmidt2jthomas_sb: no
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15:52.49jthomas_sbtry that, or use http://localhost:631 to attach to CUPS.  Without a printer set up your printer options are likely grey for that reason.
15:53.04jthomas_sbjust my guess, as I don't use GNOME
15:53.21schmidt2jthomas_sb: ok, i'll try to get a connection
15:53.33schmidt2jthomas_sb: just installed it, but still greyed out
15:53.46schmidt2jthomas_sb: at least I get to the graphical configuration now
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15:57.00schmidt2jthomas_sb: thanx a lot, I think it's a GNOME problem now
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15:58.07jleedevschmidt2: wild guess: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_printing
15:59.39schmidt2jleedev: "false"
15:59.43jleedevshucks
15:59.49schmidt2thx
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16:00.46jthomas_sbHow can I set GNOME apps to use single-click-to-open, like I have in KDE?  I'd like to do this without installing all of GNOME, or any (more) of GNOME if possible.
16:00.48schmidt2jleedev: At the moment, I get a "server-error-service-unavailable" when trying to edit a printers entry in the settings dialog
16:01.23jleedevi tend to shy away screaming from cups
16:01.58schmidt2jleedev: yes, ok, but what do you use in order to print sth.?
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16:02.15azeemjthomas_sb: single-click to open what?
16:02.36jthomas_sbyes, sorry.  Files, folders, launch apps.
16:02.51azeemare you talking about GNOME or GNOME apps?
16:02.58jthomas_sbwell, maybe not launch apps since my KDE does that part.
16:03.13azeemare you talking about the GTK file selector?
16:03.23jthomas_sbWhen I am using GNOME and, say, File > Open, I don't want to double-click folders to browse them.
16:03.25azeemi.e. what you get when you hit File->Open
16:03.35azeemI see
16:03.45azeemno idea, maybe there is a gconf key for that
16:03.48jthomas_sbsure that would be one aspect of it, the GTK file selector.
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16:05.07ajavidgtk dialog design is ridiculously horrible
16:05.17ajavidespecially for file open/save
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16:06.13ajavidwell, gnome dialog design, dunno if its gtk specific (gtk bad, qt good) ;) (like the Frankenstein monster)
16:06.23azeemajavid: please keep it on topic
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16:06.45ajavidazeem, kindly do let me know next time how I'm being offtopic. Thank you.
16:07.04azeemyou think toolkit bashing is on topic hereß
16:07.05azeem?
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16:07.16ajavidI'm bashing a toolkit? Where?
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16:07.25azeemajavid: see above
16:07.31ajavidI did no such thing.
16:07.32\amethyst"(gtk bad, qt good)"
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16:07.58azeemajavid: if you don't know how to keep neutral, maybe distribution support isn't for you?
16:08.07ajavidThat is an opinion.  Are you telling me I can't have one?
16:08.18azeemI'm telling you voicing your opinions is off-topic
16:08.33azeemyou're fine to have whatever opinion you have about the gtk file selector in #debian-offtopic
16:08.38ajavidI don't understand you.
16:08.48azeemwhich part did you not understand?
16:08.51\amethystjthomas_sb:  I don't think there is an option to have single click open things in the save/open dialogs
16:09.07\amethystjthomas_sb:  you can use the keyboard
16:09.10ranixFYI ajavid there are people in #debian-offtopic
16:09.24ranixwho would be glad to hear you whine
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16:09.37ajavidI'm not whining.
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16:09.45ajavidI merely said something and I was jumped on
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16:10.04themillajavid: I'll happily tell you how full of fail the gtk file dialogs are in #debian-offtopic...
16:10.20\amethystjthomas_sb:  you can have nautilus open on single-click, but that only affects nautilus (the file manager and desktop), not the dialogs
16:10.40ajavidthemill, I dont' care to know and/or discuss. I said what I had to say and I won't say it again.  Carry on.
16:10.41jthomas_sbthat is too strange, and inconsistant it seems.
16:10.54azeemajavid: good, appreciated
16:11.06peppeajavid: after the last flame (that indeed caused 51 fatalities and 296 wounded) , there is a strict no-flame policy here.
16:11.12ajavidazeem, sure, np, I just didn't think it would be offtopic, but I kinda see your reasoning
16:11.21ajavidazeem, I think I understand, my bad anwyay.
16:11.35azeemajavid: even it wasn't off-topic, is wildly unprofessional
16:12.01azeemI have strong opinions about lots of stuff, but I try to advise users to make up their own opinions about things and not force my own on theirs
16:12.13ajavidazeem, I honestly don't even see that... I just see it as a innocent opinion share which really didn't merit a scolding like a little child.
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16:12.20azeemexcept for using irssi as CLI irc client, of course
16:12.20\amethystjthomas_sb:  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121113
16:12.27ajavidazeem, but I'm not one to go againt a majority concensus
16:12.34ajavidIts all good.
16:12.42jellyajavid: it's a pattern, you often come in after a long idle time and say something not related to any currect support issue
16:13.14azeemajavid: it's really just a question of whether you want to be part of the support community or not - if you just idle and say a word here or there sometimes, no big problem
16:13.34ajavidazeem, but I do support the community
16:13.36azeemif you actually want to help with Debian support, we appreciate if people are more constructive
16:13.42ajavidazeem, people make mistakes
16:14.11ajavidazeem, if you continue to badger them, there comes a time when they are not sorry anymore and they're just like, fine, keep bitching, fuck you.  So please, lets stop.
16:14.30ranixI have to have the last word!
16:14.36fxinyranix: hee
16:14.55ranixSomebody is WRONG on the INTERNET
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16:15.15fxinyranix: shark ausssy ? :P
16:15.27azeemmaybe I am just grumpy because I have to debug PHP code if I'm not looking here
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16:16.10ajavidazeem, no big deal, its not your fault, I actually did kind without realizing did toolkit bashing, and even though to me it still may not be offtopic, it was unprofessional
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16:16.33ajavidazeem, also, php does that to people. I can understand :)
16:16.44jthomas_sb\amethyst wow that bug is nearly six years old and people are still asking for it.  thanks for finding it but it looks like i am out of luck with that.
16:16.59nsadminazeem: the usual helpers are not always constructive, and many rules here are not constructive either. also arbitrariness in the rules (or lack thereof) is not constructive, and the attitude I occasionally see that some people can do things but others can't, is not constructive. if you were all to try being a better example, you might see an increase in constructiveness on the part of those not so regular.
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16:17.25ajavidjust to throw it out there
16:17.35ajavidI've been providing support EVERYDAY here for the past 8 years...
16:17.48ajavidjust throwing it out there, before more judgements are made against me
16:18.00ajavidanyway... just move on man
16:18.04ajavidits done. I get it.
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16:20.19ajavidazeem, anyway, thank you very much.  The professionalism bit made the most sense. I think I'll be a much better man after today :) so thank you
16:20.35abrotmanis skeptical
16:20.40abrotmanerm .. wait .. append a :)
16:21.01ajavid:)
16:21.02stewskepticala?
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16:21.12enoufbastage :-p
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16:21.37Estois that possible for apt to ignore specific existing non-provided dependence and work fine ?
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16:22.23ajavidEsto, no
16:22.32Estothanks
16:22.34ajavidEsto, if dependency isn't satisfied, it won't run/work
16:22.44ajavidEsto, thats what I understood from your question
16:23.02Estoyes, that i meant
16:23.07stewEsto: what dependency do you want to ignore, and why?
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16:23.38Estowell, i thought there was a way but editing deb to delete transmission-gtk and still have gnome
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16:24.31stewEsto: you shouldn't worry about having the "gnome" package if that is what you mean.  the gnome package is a meta-package that only exists to depend on other packages to make it easy to install "all of gnome"
16:24.50\amethystEsto:  you can mark the dependencies of the gnome metapackage as manually installed, then remove it
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16:25.14Estooh, thanks, that should be really helpful
16:25.15enoufwhat is 'it' in that context?
16:25.29stewgnome
16:25.33enouftransmission-gtk?
16:25.35\amethystEsto:    aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome'
16:25.48Estoenouf, meta-package, i think
16:25.58azeem\amethyst: you might miss out on upgrades that way, though
16:26.05\amethystEsto:  then removing 'gnome' won't remove anything but the metapackage
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16:26.08\amethystazeem:  how's that?
16:26.19azeem\amethyst: if the meta-package gets added a new package in the meantime
16:26.23\amethystazeem:  ah
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16:26.24azeemunless I'm missing something
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16:26.35\amethystazeem:  but he doesn't want all the packages that it depends on
16:26.48azeemyeah, just saying
16:26.53azeemit has negative side effects
16:27.01\amethystazeem:  e.g. transmission-gtk was added and he doesn't want that... I guess the alternative would be to make an equivs package for transmission-gtk
16:27.13azeemmaybe the meta-package handling needs some better stuff
16:27.18azeemyeah
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16:27.32Esto\amethyst, just curious, can it be done with apt in way easier then seding, grepping and | whiling ?
16:27.56enouflikes whiling on occassion
16:28.02\amethystEsto:  not that I know of
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16:28.19Estothanks
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16:28.27\amethystthen again, I don't even know how to mark a package as manually installed with apt
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16:28.51azeem\amethyst: apt-get install <package>
16:28.53azeemAFAIK
16:28.58\amethystazeem:  even if it's already installed?
16:29.00azeemyes
16:29.03\amethystaha
16:29.15\amethystazeem:  what about the opposite (mark it as automatically installed)?
16:29.16azeemyou will have to append the current version if it's upgradeable and you don't want that, I guess
16:29.20azeem\amethyst: dunno
16:29.27azeemit's not that powerful
16:29.29azeemprobably
16:29.55\amethystare the apt-get and aptitude 'automatically selected' statuses still disjoint?
16:30.11\amethystI don't use apt-get anymore except for the 'source' command
16:30.12enoufso .. he'll have to feed all the pkgs listed within the Gnome meta-package to apt-get install ... ... ?
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16:30.29enoufexcept the transmission-gtk i gather
16:30.32ajavidand why does aptitude not have source?
16:30.41ajavidis there a reason why it was left out of aptitude?
16:30.59ajavidand build-dep for that matter too I think
16:31.06\amethystit has build-dep these days
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16:31.18ajavidhmm
16:31.19\amethystbut that was rather recently added
16:31.23edwin_quijadaHi!
16:31.43themill\amethyst: apt-mark is for that
16:31.47\amethystI think it's just that aptitude (until the addition of build-dep) doesn't do anything with source packages at all
16:31.48edwin_quijadaI ahve to install 400 pc with a debian instalation that I did
16:31.54\amethystthemill:  aha, thank you
16:32.03ajavidthemill, cool
16:32.06ajavidnew tool!
16:32.10edwin_quijadaand I clone this installation to CD to use this CD as CD installation
16:32.13ajavidhey that rhymed.
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16:32.20\amethystthemill:  is that selection synchronized with aptitude's at all?
16:32.23ajavidedwin_quijada, wow
16:32.24edwin_quijadaIs there way to clone a installation to CD
16:32.24edwin_quijada?
16:32.37themill\amethyst: yes, it is
16:32.39ajavidedwin_quijada, why not prepare a netboot/pxe boot setup
16:32.45edwin_quijadaajavid: yes!! I did it
16:32.50ajavidedwin_quijada, also, prepare a preseed file with all the configs
16:32.56\amethystthemill:  ah, nice... both ways, presumably?
16:33.00ajavidedwin_quijada, hopefully the 400 workstations are identical hardware?
16:33.14enoufedwin_quijada: perhaps look at the bootcd pkg, or even debian-live?
16:33.16edwin_quijadaajavid: not exactly
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16:33.23enouf!bootcd
16:33.24ajavidedwin_quijada, construct a preseed file, and tell each system to boot from network, and it will automatically install everything of debian
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16:33.46edwin_quijadathe problem is that each pc is in diferrent location
16:33.49themill\amethyst: yes. most of this is now in libapt rather than being separately handled by aptitude. The exception is "hold" which is sometimes a little sketchy in how it's managed. Experimentation is recommended.
16:34.00edwin_quijadaso I need a CD
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16:34.19ajavidedwin_quijada, yes you can clone debian installs but its not really easy/quick
16:34.23enoufoh crud - i missed edwin_quijada 's opening line - the one with the '400 pc' in it
16:34.33\amethystthemill:  thank you... I guess I should be keeping up with apt-get so I don't hand out misinformation :)
16:34.40ajavidedwin_quijada, especially for 400 sysetms, it can be very time consuming
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16:34.53themill\amethyst: well... if you just say "use aptitude" you won't be wrong.
16:34.57ajavidedwin_quijada, and you say not all 400 are identical hardware
16:35.01edwin_quijadayes, it is but
16:35.08edwin_quijadaI dont think so
16:35.41ajavidoh boy
16:35.46edwin_quijadathis machine will be use an app created by me so I testes this app in one "distro" and I clone this
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16:36.06edwin_quijadajust debian+fluxbox+apache just that I need
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16:36.19ajavidI do one shot solutios for situations like these, never had to install so many systems with differing hardware configs, etc. etc.
16:36.28ajavidI've no idea what to tell you
16:36.28edwin_quijadaall machines are PIII and PiV
16:36.37adbedwin_quijada: aware  about fai ?
16:36.53edwin_quijadaadb: fai?
16:36.58adbyes
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16:37.43ajavidFédération Aéronautique Internationale
16:37.47edwin_quijadawhat is it?
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16:37.51ajavidFootball Association of Ireland
16:37.54ajavid...
16:37.57adbfai-server - Fully Automatic Installation server package
16:37.57abrotman!fai
16:37.58dpkgan automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
16:38.20ajavidI see
16:38.48ajavidword.
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16:39.42mamalujo_trying to upgrade x to unstable to test nouveau, aptitude finds it neccesary to remove nvidia-glx to satisfy some dependencies, but then fails to do so with: dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa', not allowed
16:40.03edwin_quijadadba: Ohh!!! it seems great!
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16:40.16ajavidmamalujo_, good luck
16:40.26mamalujo_heh
16:40.31ajavidmamalujo_, it took me close to half a day to build xorg.7.4 on stable and debianize it with sid build scripts
16:40.45ajavidmamalujo_, AND you have to have the patience of a saint
16:41.45ajavidmamalujo_, and even now, if i restart X, I get total system lockup, I try to shutdown X, total system lockup, I try to reboot, total system lockup, so I don't even reboot or anything, but hey, I've got free 3d on my x1900xt now
16:41.47mamalujo_i was hoping not to have to compile x
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16:41.50ajavidI'm a happy fucking camper.
16:42.00mamalujo_lol
16:42.06ajavidmamalujo_, then your other option is to upgrade to sid, and for that
16:42.08ajavid!dnuts
16:42.08dpkgfrom memory, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq>
16:42.13edwin_quijadaThks!! Everybody save my a...!! :)
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16:42.24ajavidmamalujo_, also, you can't mix/match unstable/stable pacakges
16:42.32ajavidmamalujo_, thats a big no on, and huge breakage potential
16:42.56ajavids/no no
16:43.01mamalujo_I have a mixed testing/unstable setup, via pinning
16:43.06ajavidthats fine
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16:45.34ajavid!unstable
16:45.34dpkg[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system!  Ask me about <break>.  Not supported here, in general.  It's also newspeak for not stable.  If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.  apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!)  See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
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16:45.53ajavidmamalujo_, not supported bit :(
16:46.19schmidt2jleedev: just FYI, I ran into this error: http://www.cups.org/newsgroups.php?s1+gcups.general+v4+T0+Q%3A1
16:46.52schmidt2jleedev: localhost has to meaning: 127.0.0.1 (IPv4) and ::1 (IPv6)
16:47.01hattstsmall question - when starting new applications, they start in the back (and flicker in the task bar). normally one would expect to have them be at very front when executed.. but seeing as it's not, how *can* I have newly-executed apps react that way?
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16:47.25ajavidhattst, uhm, come again?
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16:47.52beardyhattst: Which desktop environment or window manager?
16:47.53ajavidhattst, taskbar notification is one thing.  You want the newly created window on your desktop to have focus?
16:48.09ajavidhattst, it depends on your window manager configuration or desktop settings
16:48.39ajavidand if its window focus, it definitely IS widnow manager issue
16:48.40hattstajavid, okay.. I've xchat opened at the moment, and suppose I start synaptic -- it'll start up in the back (i.e., the focused window is still x-chat.. I only see synaptic in the task bar flashing) - I'd rather have synaptic have focus now
16:49.05ajavidhattst, need to check your window manager settings, answer beardy question please.
16:49.06hattstI'm on a completely default install (only a few hours old, in fact:))- gnome
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16:49.22hattsto, I'll try checking relevant configs
16:49.23mamalujo_well its not like I expect to be able to see x for some days, if i manage to convince aptitude to remove nvidia-glx that is, its never that easy, something unexpected always breaks. But, what is my dpkg rambling about, why would he need to rename stuff and why is it not allowed? Should I delete /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ?
16:49.30ajavidI have no experience with gnome, I hate it, and that is an opinion, but I'm not bashing gnome.
16:49.38ajavid...
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16:50.02beardyhattst: Check around in the settings, "control panel" or what it's called.
16:50.33ajavidmamalujo_, and I'm not an nvidia user :)
16:50.53ajavidmamalujo_, and no, don't delete files installed by packages
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16:51.32hattstbeardy, sorry - I'm new to gnome as well, I'm not seeing a 'control panel' or anything similar that might be relevant to this. I'll keep on looking though
16:51.47ajavidhattst, alt+f2 and type gnome-control-center
16:52.11ajavidI hope that is still the same binary from 2.08 times...(the last time I used gnome)
16:52.30hattstyeah.. it sure does look like a 'control panel'
16:52.45dustybinis it possible to have a functional terminal only environment, where i can irc, torrent, check mail, surf websites
16:52.46mamalujo_ajavid: but, postrm script breaks anyway?
16:52.49dustybin?
16:53.06ajaviddustybin, its called emacs or screen, and yes
16:53.25mamalujo_dustybin: most definitelu!
16:53.30ajaviddustybin, you would like to also probably use a framebuffer for your driver/video so that you can have higher resolutions than what vesafb offers
16:53.31dustybinajavid: is it possible to view websites and images from the terminal?
16:53.37ajaviddustybin, absolutely
16:53.37enoufor console + links2 :-P
16:53.39cireI have freezes on my intel atom 330 board. I am using debian lenny. Sometimes when watching TV (via mythtv), hearing music (amarok) or doing other things this board freezes from one second to another. The only solution is rebooting.
16:53.43dustybinajavid: NO WAY
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16:53.46ajaviddustybin, framebuffer
16:53.48enoufwai
16:53.48dustybinimages from the terminal? wtf
16:53.55cireDoes anybody have an idea?
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16:53.59dustybinblimin hell
16:54.00enouf!links2
16:54.00dpkg[links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian.  For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode).  Ask me about <links2 settings>.  Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359).  http://links.twibright.com/
16:54.05cireI have no logs, because nothing gets logged before crashing
16:54.09dustybinjeeeze
16:54.12dustybinremoves desktop
16:54.28dustybinhow does one setup the fb?
16:54.33dustybindoes grub do that?
16:54.40schmidt2jthomas_sb: twas an IPv6 problem
16:54.49enouf!fbcon resolution
16:54.50dpkgi guess fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes.  The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305.  Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.
16:54.50stewdustybin: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution
16:54.56dustybinblimin hell
16:55.04jthomas_sbschmidt2 with PRINTING?
16:55.08enoufwins ... this time :-p
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16:55.10dustybinif thats the case, there really is no point in using a desktop
16:55.31edwin_quijadathere is an app can do the same as aptoncd but without X?
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16:55.42enoufdustybin: i like xterms and use openbox for now
16:55.53dustybinim unsure what they are
16:56.02dustybini will use screen to switch
16:56.05dustybinand function keys
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16:56.13dustybinto open new terminals
16:56.20enoufthere are others that are more lightweight than the two HUGE ones :-)
16:56.30ComputerWhat is the easiest way to have mail that is sent to root@localhost forwarded to an ISP email address?
16:56.42ComputerI looked over the sendmail configuration and it looks complicated.
16:56.45dustybinim going to upgrade my system and remove xorg / desktop enviornment
16:57.04ajaviddustybin, if you have widescreen you will need special fb driver
16:57.14dustybinno widescreen for me
16:57.21ajavidthen vesafb resolutions should be ok
16:57.22datenritterhi! i upgraded a few debian boxes today and it seems that testing-users are now forced to use kde4 (which i consider experimental). i try to go back to kde3 with stable, but the dependencies don't let me. what should i do?
16:57.22dustybin1024 x 1280
16:57.31dustybin1280 x 1024 something like that
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16:57.41ajavidI have 16:10 and for me, highest I can use without going over is 791
16:57.44ajavidvga=791
16:57.44JasonMossHi, I keep being told that if i'm going to use Debian 5 as my main desktop system i should really just use Ubuntu instead. I really don't get why, and all I get is stupid answers from Ubuntu people (i.e It's newer and better). Is there really some huge disadvantage to use Debian + Gnome as my main desktop computer as opposed to Ubuntu? I just dont get it
16:57.45dustybindoes fb depend on my gfx card?
16:57.48schmidt2jthomas_sb: yes, sir
16:58.03fxinyComputer: procmail
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16:58.19dustybinfeels excited
16:58.20schmidt2jthomas_sb: cups is using an network connection to localhost
16:58.29ajavidnot vesa specifically, but to use say a higher resolution than provided by vesa you have to use something made specifically foryour video card
16:58.33ajavidI use radeonfb
16:58.34schmidt2which can be 127.0.0.1 or ::1 (IPv6)
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16:58.52datenritterand why the hell do i need a mysql-server for Korganizer??? this is /&%§"!
16:58.52schmidt2jthomas_sb: the client thought the ladder, the server thought the former
16:58.54mamalujo_dustbin well, x is not quite useless, videos in fb cannot be in gnu  screen, and interfaces of say mplayer are more limited. But doing a lot of common tasks in terminals makes a lot of sense
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17:00.18jthomas_sbschmidt2 very strange.  how did you resolve it?
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17:00.59mamalujo_JasonMoss: simply put - no
17:01.14schmidt2jthomas_sb: I changed /etc/cups/cupsd.conf so that cups listened to 127.0.0.1:631 instead of "localhost:631"
17:01.14QewJasonMoss: no disadvantage at all. Debian stable has some "old" software (usually exaggerated by the detractors), but you gain stability with that. If you want newer software, you can always use Backports or you can upgrade to Testing or Unstable, which will give you newer software versions and be a rolling release (something that's beyond the lexicon of the typical Ubuntu user).
17:01.34jthomas_sbschmidt2 smart move and a good thing to know
17:01.43eduardoja venho
17:01.46JasonMossmamalujo_: lol thanks, gotcha
17:01.50JasonMossQew: Thanks
17:01.55QewJasonMoss: if you're happy using Lenny, then ignore the Ubuntu crowd and do what you want to do.
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17:02.12schmidt2jthomas_sb: not my idea, I found some forum postings
17:02.20nsadminor ignore the * crowd and do what you want to do.
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17:04.24schmidt2jthomas_sb: the key was this message: "Unable to bind socket for address ::1:631 - Address already in use." in /var/log/cups/error_log
17:04.49dustybinif i start using the linux framebuffer, do i need to use this: http://www.directfb.org/
17:04.51schmidt2jthomas_sb: when LogLevel of CUPS set to "debug"
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17:05.19schmidt2jthomas_sb: but you brought me to the right direction - it was cups, not gnome
17:05.30dustybininteresting
17:05.30dustybinhttp://www.directfb.org/index.php?path=Support%2FGraphics
17:05.36a-atwoodJasonMoss: at one time they may have had a point.  But w/ Lenny, EVERYTHING worked right "out of the box".  even sound, which has been a pita for me on some systems.
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17:07.01a-atwoodJasonMoss: If I need to test/use a new software release, I just compile it and stick it in /usr/local.  Latest svn, for instance
17:07.04JasonMossa-atwood: Yea i've never had a problem with Lenny at all. I really just want Compiz + high resolution + stability so lenny it is heh. I think Ubuntu people over hype the OS like Apple does lol
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17:07.26Qewyeah, new converts tend to make the biggest zealots
17:07.28strawHey, my fresh installed Eclipse (I installed the meta packet) aborts starting with the following log: http://paste.debian.net/40131/ | Any ideas?
17:07.32jeevok my friend got a X3210 quad 2.13ghz that is, single proc.. debian 5.0 unfortunately was the only option other than one cent OS (im a slackware/freebsd fan). got 32bit, should that be a prob or should i have him go 64bit? it's for his webhosting and sql.. and his sql is pretty jammed, sloppy
17:07.59straw(I use unstable btw)
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17:09.38schmidt2jthomas_sb: cu
17:10.00bkraptor!network manager
17:10.00dpkgNetworkManager: Network management framework daemon.  See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions.  Squeeze users: ask me about <networkmanager squeeze>.  http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager  http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ  http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/  #nm on irc.freenode.net.  See also <wireless connection managers>.
17:10.04schmidt2jleedev: cu+
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17:10.25bkraptor!networkmanager squeeze
17:10.26dpkgnetwork-manager-gnome is removed when gnome-network-admin is upgraded, see #533766 and #460691 in the <BTS>.  To resolve, remove the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage and gnome-network-admin package, then install network-manager-gnome.  Wired network interfaces not managed by default as of <network-manager> 0.7.1-1, see bug #530024 and http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManagerinSqueeze for details.
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17:12.17ajavidwell, high resolutions than vesa are possible in radeon kms on 7.6 mesa and upstream git as of now AND it requries a .31 kernel
17:12.22ajavidaint that something...
17:12.42ajavidI suppose I could always try to build 7.6 on stable and more than likely fail
17:12.47ajavidbut I could try...
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17:13.33ajavidyou know what man, if I can do 7.4, 7.6 should be doable, unless some crazy high version dependency on stuff is needed, wish me luck!
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17:14.18ajavidjudd versions xserver-xorg
17:14.19juddajavid: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.4+3
17:14.31ajavid7.6 isn't even in experimental, dang.
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17:15.14mamalujo_straw, that sounds familiar, let me check
17:15.22strawoki :)
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17:18.06ewethaha! i realized the final mistake of my software raid concept: it's not very bright to have both a raid 5 and raid 0 on the save drive is it? (like first 3 gb of all 3 disks will be striped for '/var' and rest be raid 5 partitions)
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17:18.28PolarinaOn debian squeeze, after a recent restart, when I maximize my GNOME applications, they extend the whole screen, even under gnome-panels. How can I fix that?
17:20.15PolarinaEven the desktop icons don't align properly when I move around the panels.. :(
17:20.20Franticguys, what's the recommended way to set starup services on lenny?
17:20.40Frantics/starup/startup/
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17:20.42ewetoh god bad engrish :( i hope you're still getting my point here. i have the performance of r/w operations in  mind
17:20.44kanzureis there a file format for containing information about a project's metadata? like "here is a list of contributors and how to find them' or "here are some relevant URLs" ?
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17:21.15plaurPolarina: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533917
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17:21.42Polarinaplaur: Thank you.
17:21.58zxdin debian where are the examples files for creating winxp domus in xen
17:22.17plaurPolarina: you can use a different window manager until this is fixed - there are more with gnome support
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17:23.05Polarinaplaur: I prefer GNOME. It's simple and doesn't have that fancy buggy stuff (also known as eye-candy).
17:23.24plaurPolarina: me too :)
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17:24.18plaurPolarina: you can keep using gnome, the window manager (metacity) is just a component of gnome, and can be replaced by another WM, while using gnome
17:24.22Franticnvm
17:25.02Polarinaplaur: That bug report doesn't really explain what to do to resolve the issue.
17:25.04plaurPolarina: please note that i'm not sure that this will really fix the problem (using lenny here), but you could try
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17:25.34mcgreghi
17:25.43mcgregwhat reason does udev have to rename eth0 to eth1?
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17:25.53plaurPolarina: there is no fix for the time being... i'm afraid you have to wait until this is fixed by newer packages, whenever this might happen
17:25.55mcgregand why does it simply do it?
17:26.00cahootPolarina: FWIW the problem doesn't seem to exist on this sid system - som wait a few weeks?
17:26.17martianlobsterwhat is the best way, that I can run "ulimit -c unlimited", whenever I reboot my server?  Should I write an init script?
17:26.23Polarinaplaur: What other window manager do you recommend? Something that doesn't require configuration and I can just install it and remove metacity, please.
17:26.47plaurPolarina: you don't have to remove metacity
17:26.57Polarinaplaur: So, what do I install?
17:27.13jellymartianlobster: do you really want to enable it everywhere for everything?
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17:27.45martianlobsterjelly:; while I am monitoring for crashes for certain daemons yes
17:27.49plaurPolarina: you could choose between icewm, openbox, windowmaker, sawfish... try openbox if unsure
17:28.06Polarinaplaur: Thank you.
17:28.18iluminator101what are the absolute must service you need have in bootup?
17:28.24Polarinaplaur: So, I just install that and it will take over?
17:28.25amphiopenbox is pleasant
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17:28.42iluminator101what are the absolute must services you need have in bootup?
17:28.56plaurPolarina: to change the window manager, type this in a terminal:
17:28.57dkrIllarane: a redundancy eliminator
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17:29.36plaurPolarina: echo export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/openbox >> ~/.gnomerc
17:29.52plaurPolarina: and then restart gnome
17:30.08Polarinaplaur: Thank you.
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17:30.28plaurPolarina: to get back to metacity, remove the file or just that line, from an editor
17:31.09plaurPolarina: openbox also has some nice themes... i think this is another package, I forgot, it's been a while
17:31.24Polarinaplaur: openbox-themes?
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17:31.53plaurPolarina: yes, just found it, too :)
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17:32.05Polarinaplaur: Apparently, it's a dependency on openbox.
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17:32.21plaurPolarina: i'm getting old :-D
17:32.34plaurPolarina: sorry for confusing people :)
17:32.42Polarinaplaur: Not a problem. :)
17:32.48Polarinaplaur: Going to restart this box now.
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17:32.57PolarinaFinally, it'll be open.
17:33.08plaurPolarina: good luck :)
17:33.25jellymartianlobster: I usually add an ulimit line in the specific init script(s)
17:33.42martianlobsterjelly good idea thanks
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17:35.17mamalujo_straw: I didnt remember the exact way it crashed for me, but I believe I had this bug where it wont run unless you install xulrunner-dev. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507536 But here are 2 otr doesnt start grave bugs active for eclipse, w no advice, perhaps you are among affected - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=eclipse
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17:36.23Polarinaplaur: Now, how do I change from this ugly theme?
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17:38.22plaurPolarina: just a second, need to look it up :)
17:38.29Polarinaplaur: Ok.
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17:39.33strawmamalujo_: already checked those 2 bugs there. And the xulrunner/libembedmoz.so thingy, is another problem with Debian's Eclipse build :>
17:39.38plaurPolarina: now i remember... there's a nice graphical frontend for configuring openbox, including selecting the theme
17:39.47Polarinaplaur: Where?
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17:40.01plaurPolarina: install obconf
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17:41.03plaurPolarina: i think it will then appear in the gnome menu somewhere (either this, or it appears when doing System/Preferences/Windows from the gnome menu
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17:41.23plaurPolarina: or run obconf from command line or gnome's run
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17:42.29iluminator101where is the services daemon file in debian?
17:42.45justinservices daemon file?
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17:43.16iluminator101yea...file that shows all the services running
17:43.52fxinyiluminator101: you want /etc/services or /etc/inetd.conf ?
17:43.53greycatDebian doesn't use a single file for that.  It uses /etc/rc2.d/S* symlinks.
17:44.05greycatUnless he meant inetd.
17:44.40plauralmost no services run from inetd nowadays...
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17:45.30Polarinaplaur: Many of these themes have a very thin window border and bar.
17:45.45iluminator101fxiny:whats the difference between two files?
17:45.46jleedevjust to butt in, i'm a fan of fluxbox
17:46.10iluminator101ah
17:46.20greycat/etc/services is a mapping from standard TCP/IP ports for various things, to their common names, and vice versa.  It does not actually tell you what is running, or supposed to be running.
17:46.22plaurPolarina: didn't you find any suitable theme?
17:46.28greycatE.g. it tells you that smtp is port 25.
17:46.30Polarinaplaur: No. :(
17:46.39greycatBut it doesn't say that you are actually running an smtp daemon.
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17:47.07plaurPolarina: sorry... i really liked it back then (not sure how and if you can change the font sizes, title bar, etc.)
17:47.19greycat/etc/inetd.conf is the configuration file for a daemon named inetd.  Which is usually used for running ftpd, telnetd, and other 1980s/1990s things.
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17:47.34iluminator101i am looking for file that tells whats running at bootup
17:48.18greycatThere's no single file that does that.  It's scattered across multiple files.
17:48.22zxdI am trying to set up a bridge interface using in interfaces file  , but I get the error Don't seem to be have all the variables for br0/inet.
17:48.29zxdI am not putting in address or netmask
17:48.34zxdI just want the bridge interface
17:48.36plaurPolarina: well, you could try icewm, i think the default theme has at least some acceptable title bar (but that's subjective, I thought the same about openbox, too)
17:48.49greycatThe S* symlinks in /etc/rc2.d/ control the various services that have separate scripts.  Other stuff that's done as a preliminary before that (like bringing up network interfaces) is elsewhere.
17:48.51plaurPolarina: does openbox at least maximize correctly?
17:49.03iluminator101what are absolute must have services that should be in bootup sequence?
17:49.10greycatNothing.
17:49.15Polarinaplaur: Yes.
17:49.19plaurPolarina: I think I'll go install openbox, too... you made me curious :)
17:49.32Polarinaplaur: :)
17:49.49jleedeviluminator101: if you ask openbsd, it's syslog, ssh, and ntp.
17:50.02plaurPolarina: that's already good news... I was afraid the problem is gnome's panels, not metacity... now we only have to find a window manager that you like
17:50.18iluminator101i am on debian
17:50.28zxdnever mind
17:50.38jaSOnGgme too :o
17:50.48jleedeviluminator101: well, yeah. but the point is you really don't need anything you don't want
17:51.05jleedevone way to install debian is just debootstrap the base system and install everything else by hand
17:51.20iluminator101so just kernel and gdm.
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17:51.31fxinygdm ?
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17:51.56iluminator101gnome display manager
17:52.12greycatYou probably want syslog and cron.
17:52.18dkrand init
17:52.28greycatinit has to run in order to get him this far; it's implicit
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17:53.20fxinyiluminator101: lenny ?
17:53.30iluminator101squeeze
17:53.32dkrnot really, you can do init=/bin/bash ;)
17:53.59plaurPolarina: you could try icewm (probably icewm-gnome-support would be good to install, too... not sure how it works with gnome now, if it autodetects it or if you have to disable the task bar manually)
17:54.16plaurPolarina: I'll try openbox :)
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17:58.01Franticguys, does anyone know why there's such an outdated version of monit in the lenny repos?
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17:59.12ShardphoenixFrantic, hell knows. :)
17:59.32plaurPolarina: you were right, the title bars are somewhat small - I think I remembered sawfish (openbox themes are actually the same, just different colors :) )
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18:00.32Element14missing /j sorry
18:00.38Franticlol
18:00.47plaurPolarina: anyway, if you want, you can make the title bar bigger by selecting a bigger font for active and inactive windows in obconf, in the Appearance tab
18:01.15Polarinaplaur: Ok.
18:01.17Franticdo you guys use monit? or do you recommend something better?
18:01.57justinFrantic: monit works ok unless you need to write custom monitors
18:02.02plaurPolarina: as for thin margins, only the bottom margin can be used for dragging
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18:02.19justinsomething like nagios is nice if you already have a shell script or something that tests a service
18:02.48Franticchecking nagios now, thanks :)
18:03.14phnxcrhello, i tried this tutorial here: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny and get the error message /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 116: Bad configuration option: Match, even when i am running sshd 5.1, any idea why?
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18:05.14lupus_wrong option in sshd_config :)
18:05.35phnxcrbut i read the man page and they also mention the Match option
18:05.41phnxcrand various other tutorials too
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18:08.53cr0mulentI have to migrate my mailserver from google apps for domains to a locally hosted imap server. which one should I pick? dovecot, cyrus, courier
18:09.00cr0mulentI want something easy to setup with good support
18:09.14greycatdovecot would be the simplest one, probably
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18:13.00cr0mulentalrighty i will check it out
18:13.42iluminator101so the link rc2.d ....would this be correct ln -s /var/log/syslog /et/rc2.d/S20syslog
18:14.15greycatWhat happened to your syslog service, that you feel a need to manually create a link for it?
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18:14.26x4dHello, trying to login to mysql from a second computer on the same network, I can login fine locally... I binded in my.conf to the servers IP and was looking around at other possible causes that are not allowing me through. in auth.log I get debian mysqld: refused connect from 192... so is there a setting I'm missing in my.conf or adding this IP to hosts.allow would allow me to connect ?
18:14.28greycatAnd no, that's not the correct symlink.
18:14.33iluminator101i deleted by accident
18:14.38greycatIt should point to /etc/init.d/something
18:14.56greycattry  ls -l /etc/init.d/*syslog*
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18:15.14greycatDebian changed their syslog service for lenny, so I don't know which one you would have.
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18:15.53iluminator101/etc/init.d/rsyslog??
18:16.07greycatThat's the lenny one.  OK.
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18:16.10nsadminx4d connection refused means nothing is listening on the port (or router is refusing, but you don't have one between the two, right?)
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18:16.31greycatln -s ../init.d/rsyslog /etc/rc2.d/S10rsyslog
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18:16.51justinx4d: you need to enable networking in the mysql server
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18:17.29x4dnsadmin: no router inbetween
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18:17.43nsadminso the port is not being listened on
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18:18.04x4djustin: would you mind telling where I can enable networking ?
18:18.18iluminator101do i need binfmt-support?
18:18.30nsadminlook at /usr/share/doc/mysql*
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18:19.29iluminator101permission to pm greycat
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18:20.00greycatno
18:20.10greycatbinfmt-support sounds like some kernel feature.
18:20.27greycatI don't mess with kernel configurations these days.
18:20.34nsadminx4d: also there should be a #mysql around (why people don't consider postgres, I don't understand... it's better in too many ways)
18:21.20x4dnsadmin: thanks for the help
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18:23.05nsadminand thank yourself after you read that stuff... you'd need it anyway for next time
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18:28.11designs703How can I install mysql-admin without mysql? I have a custom MySQL at /usr/local which I would use with these tools
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18:29.10asgdesigns703: create a dummy packages with equivs that provides the needed dependancies
18:29.14asg*package
18:29.27justindesigns703: did you try apt-get install mysql-admin ?
18:29.28module000designs703: you don't have to install mysql to have mysql-admin
18:29.44module000designs703: try apt-get install mysql-admin --no-install-recommends
18:29.55designs703oh, I must've misread it
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18:39.15Drakesonis there a way to get rid of the thick focus rectangle in openbox ?
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18:51.11ajavidmodule000, aptitude -R mysql-admin is shorter
18:51.13ajavid:)
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18:59.13abrotmanajavid: i think you forgot an action ?
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19:05.53ajavidoh
19:06.07ajavidyeh, sorry, aptitude install -R mysql-admin
19:06.13ajavidabrotman, thanks
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19:13.51ajavidhm, I wonder, is there a mysql-query-browser tool (gui) for pgsql?
19:14.07ajavid(similar tool)
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19:15.40abrotmantora ? not sure what the mysql one does
19:16.06wuseldusel_hi! i have a debian testing amd64. ldd shows 6 missing 32bit libs in order to play alienarena ;-) see http://codepad.org/ui6awtx2 , its libopenal, libvorbisfile, libvorbisfile, libXxf86dga, libogg and libcurl ... the game requires the 32bit versions. are these available for my distrubution and if how?
19:16.21abrotmania32-libs .. maybe
19:16.28greycatmaybe an i386 chroot?
19:16.38ajavidalienarena is x86 only?
19:16.44ajavidthat doesn't sound right.
19:16.47jellywuseldusel_: debian-multimedia might have _some_ of the missing ones
19:16.52ranixwhat about ia31?
19:16.53ranix32
19:16.58abrotman!ia32-libs
19:17.03abrotmanbleh ..
19:17.06jellyno -
19:17.12abrotman!ia32libs
19:17.12ranix!ia32libs
19:17.17abrotmandouble bleh
19:17.29abrotmanjudd: info ia32libs --release squeeze
19:17.30jellyjudd: versions ia32libs
19:17.30juddjelly: ia32libs --
19:17.37ranixsec
19:17.40abrotmanputs himself on ignore ...
19:17.44jellyjudd: versions ia32libs --arch amd64
19:17.44juddjelly: ia32libs --
19:17.44ranixI'm apt-cache searching ia32
19:17.52jellyjudd: versions ia32-libs --arch amd64
19:17.52juddjelly: ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19 lenny: 2.7 sid: 2.7 squeeze: 2.7
19:17.55abrotmanjudd: info ia32-libs --release squeeze
19:17.58ajavidhttp://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=ia32*&term=key
19:17.58abrotmanyou said no -!!!!!!!
19:17.58jellyhuh, you were right
19:18.01ajavidthere is nothing...
19:18.08abrotmanjudd: info ia32-libs --release squeeze --arch amd64
19:18.08juddabrotman: ia32-libs (libs): is optional; Version: 2.7; Size: 26188.7k; Installed: 67436k -- ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems
19:18.15abrotmanbot defaults to i386 :(
19:18.23ranixweird
19:18.25ajavidon I mean factoid
19:18.26jellyi386 is still the king!
19:18.29ajavidno factoid
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19:18.35ajavid!ia32
19:18.35dpkgit has been said that ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86).  In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have.
19:18.38ajavidthis is it...
19:18.44ranixooooooh
19:18.48ranixthanks ajavid
19:18.55ranixI thought the ia was for itanium
19:19.05greycat"Intel architecture"
19:19.05ranixbut insteall is for intel architecture or something
19:19.12ranixinstead
19:19.28ranixI was like 'wtf do you need an itanium library for'
19:19.32ajavidheh
19:19.46ajavidit could be confusing to people who don't know a lot about cpus
19:19.49module000corporate america just shot down debian for the umpteenth time when i pitch it in meetings. bleh.
19:19.58ajavid!itanium
19:19.58dpkgitanium is probably intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware
19:20.13ranixmodule000: #debian-offtopic
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19:20.20greycatHardly vaporware.  More like "Oh yeah, those exist."
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19:29.58orangeyhello all
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19:30.03orangeydoes truecrypt have a channel?
19:30.15AJKhantry #truecrypt??
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19:30.27orangey1 user
19:30.37d_borangey: look at their site
19:30.45orangeydoing that now ; )
19:31.06gasullHi all.  How do I remove the popup I get when starting a new song in Rhythmbox?  Thank you.
19:31.51d_bgasull: right click the icon in the upper right corner and you'll see what to click in the menu
19:32.47gasulld_b: Oh yeah.  Thanks.  I was looking everywhere in the settings.
19:33.05d_bgasull: yep, remember going through that myself :)
19:33.21gasulld_b: :)
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19:43.38person1I'm getting 'Unable to use this port' from Wormux in multiplayer when trying to host a game. What should I do?
19:45.31carrot<PROTECTED>
19:45.52jellythere's a worms clone?
19:45.55nkuttlerperson1: check if there's already something running on that port, /msg dpkg open ports
19:46.08person1thanks
19:46.15person1jelly, yeah
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19:46.29person1jelly, seems better to me
19:46.49jesseboyWhich File system do you guys recommend if you're running an FTP and samba server on debian?
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19:48.28person1nkuttler: fuser says nothing's running on that port
19:48.34jesseboythat is the most efficiant
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19:49.16nkuttlerperson1: yeah, well, the error isn't very useful. try their forums/faq/irc channel
19:49.24jellyjesseboy: that's likely the most reliable
19:49.40hochronwhy does my display boot up wrong? (I had this prob in etch and lenny)
19:50.06terverperson1, do you run fuser from root?
19:50.17person1yes terver
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19:51.04hochronIt changes the resolution sporadically when I boot
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19:51.15terverwhat port do you use?
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19:53.49phogghochron: sporadically? Explain.
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19:54.49markybobi'm trying to build a 2.6.30, but i'm getting this error in vmlinux.bin http://dpaste.com/59311/   any thoughts?
19:56.23hochronphogg: I use 1280X1024, in etch it booted to 800X600 and today in lenny it booted in 1024X768 or something like that.
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19:59.37abrotmanmarkybob: !!!!
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19:59.57markybobabrotman, hey :)
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20:13.59enoufphogg: hochron i think something happens when the console fonts are loading - check /var/log/boot (/msg dpkg bootlogd)
20:14.17enoufphogg: JFYI .. is why i mentioned your nick ;-)
20:14.36enoufgrah .. i suck - can't even read ..
20:15.15phoggenouf: I appreciate that
20:15.26enoufhochron: you mean your X / DE resolution i presume? are you using KDE or Gnome?
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20:32.50GarpHi.
20:33.31GarpQuestion: my display doesnt switch off when I issue 'xset dpms force off', it's only blanking. Where should I look at? Thanks.
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20:37.13BingOd
20:37.19BingOHii ROoom !!
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20:37.27BingOi want to install Install/compile PostgreSQL 8, PostGIS and pgRouting on Debian
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20:38.12nsadminpg 8.1 at least is avail for lenny
20:38.35nsadminbut you can compile, possibly even building packages in the process
20:38.36BingOhmm.. for debian 5.0
20:38.45nsadminwhich is lenny
20:38.49BingOok
20:38.59BingOpg 8.1 works perfect at lenny ?
20:39.07nsadminperfect? what's that?
20:39.34BingOi meant with out any error of compile / install ?
20:39.50nsadminjudd versions postgresql
20:39.51juddnsadmin: postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22 sid: 8.3.5-1 sid: 8.3.6-1 etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 sid: 8.3.7-1 squeeze: 8.3.7-1
20:40.07BingOwhat about PostGIS and Pg Routing, i have to seperartly install them ?=
20:40.09stewjudd: versions postgresql-8.3
20:40.11juddstew: postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 sid: 8.3.7-1 squeeze: 8.3.7-1
20:40.49stewjudd: versions postgis
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20:40.50juddstew: postgis -- etch: 1.1.6-2 etch-backports: 1.3.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.3-3 sid: 1.3.5-1 squeeze: 1.3.5-1
20:41.32nsadminBingO: yes, you would. but as you can see postgis is here
20:41.46nsadminjudd versions pgrouting
20:41.48juddnsadmin: pgrouting --
20:41.55nsadminjudd versions pg-routing
20:41.55juddnsadmin: pg-routing --
20:42.08nsadmindunno what it would be called here.
20:42.15BingOhmm..
20:42.30BingOany kind of nice tutorial fo installing these things ?
20:42.33nsadminif you have to build it, postgres under debian comes with the build stuff
20:42.42GarpQuestion: I have an nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300, in debian nonfree there is some "nvidia-glx" package. Seems that it depends on some kernel-level stuff. Is it safe to install and use? Does it worth it? Thanks.
20:42.54nsadmintry apt-get install postgresql-8.3
20:43.19nsadminto start with, and you'll probably want postgresql-clients-8.3
20:43.22BingOnsadmin: what about seperatly install it by compiling from source code ?
20:43.45nsadminthe postgres docs cover that
20:44.08nsadminand do so well.
20:44.22nsadminjudd versions postgresql-clients-8.3
20:44.23juddnsadmin: postgresql-clients-8.3 --
20:44.32nsadminjudd versions postgresql-8.3-clients
20:44.33juddnsadmin: postgresql-8.3-clients --
20:44.40nsadminjudd versions postgresql-clients
20:44.40juddnsadmin: postgresql-clients --
20:44.51nsadminwtf...
20:45.12BingOwhat happend :) ?
20:45.16nsadminstew: you know the answer to that?
20:45.43stewnsadmin: yes, judd is telling you that those pacakges don't exist
20:45.47stewnsadmin: i should make that more clear
20:45.56nsadminI understand that :)
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20:46.15stewnsadmin: try "apt-cache search postgresql client"
20:46.47BingOhave to add repositories seperatly for that ? i think
20:47.00stewBingO: no, he just is failing to get the package name correct
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20:47.19adbjudd:  versions postgresql-client-8.3
20:47.20juddadb: postgresql-client-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 sid: 8.3.7-1 squeeze: 8.3.7-1
20:47.25nsadminbut howbout adding the ability to judd to output (1) the source package name given any binary package name, and (b) all binary package names given source package name
20:47.31nsadminugh :P
20:47.48nsadminthere it is, it's client not clients, and you want that
20:47.53stewjudd: source postgresql-client-8.3
20:47.54juddstew: (source takes no arguments) -- Returns a URL saying where to get Supybot.
20:47.58stewerr
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20:48.41nsadminyou probably want also pg-admin
20:48.53nsadminfeels lucky...
20:49.03nsadminjudd versions pgadmin
20:49.03juddnsadmin: pgadmin --
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20:49.09nsadminFAIL!
20:49.17nsadminjudd versions pg-admin
20:49.18juddnsadmin: pg-admin --
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20:49.59stewjudd: source postgresql-client-8.3
20:49.59juddstew: postgresql-client-8.3 -- Source: postgresql-8.3
20:50.11nsadminpgadmin3
20:50.32nsadminnice :) you just did that?
20:50.59stewno, it was already done but hidden by some other built-in module that was also providing a source command
20:51.16nsadmincan you do the inverse at some point?
20:51.50nsadmingiven source package name, output all binary package names
20:52.18nsadminhowbout call it binaries
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20:54.11phoggwho is judd?
20:54.24BingOjudd versions debian
20:54.29BingO:)
20:54.37BingOjudd versions lenny
20:55.08BingOhe dont say any thing to us :P may be shying
20:55.08phogga bot, yes I know
20:55.34phoggI remember apt and dpkg, but not judd. Just wondering what he's for.
20:55.36BingO<PROTECTED>
20:55.46BingOjudd:  versions postgresql-client-8.3
20:55.46juddBingO: postgresql-client-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 sid: 8.3.7-1 squeeze: 8.3.7-1
20:55.50stewjudd: binaries postgresql-8.3
20:55.51juddstew: postgresql-8.3 -- Binaries: libpgtypes3 libecpg6 libecpg-dev libecpg-compat3 postgresql-server-dev-8.3 postgresql-pltcl-8.3 postgresql-plpython-8.3 postgresql-plperl-8.3 postgresql-contrib-8.3 postgresql-client-8.3 postgresql-8.3 libpq5 libpq-dev libpgtypes3 libecpg6 libecpg-dev libecpg-compat3 postgresql-server-dev-8.3 postgresql-pltcl-8.3 postgresql-plpython-8.3 postgresql-plperl-8.3 postgresql- (6 more messages)
20:55.53stewnsadmin: ^^
20:56.06stewoh, its repeating itself
20:56.06nsadminHOT
20:56.29stew(fixed)
20:56.32BingOjudd: sources postgresql-*
20:56.48stewBingO: I've got that disabled right now, those queries are too big
20:56.59BingOok..
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20:57.24BingOok now what about my packages.. ? i have lost
20:57.36BingOInstall/compile PostgreSQL 8, PostGIS and pgRouting on Debian Linux
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20:59.03nsadminstew: how do I get the rest of the result set if it's too big for an irc line?
20:59.12stewnsadmin: type "more"
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20:59.29nsadminlike: "judd: more"?
20:59.41stewnsadmin: or /msg judd more
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20:59.53nsadminyeah, I'll take that to /msg
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21:00.24atomikuI have two debian boxes running. One in netherlands, one in USA - I would like to basically mirrow the whole USA debian box over to netherlands box, how should I do this?
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21:00.36atomikuPart of me wants to tar the whole / and then wget and extract it on the other side
21:00.41atomikuWould that work?
21:01.13dondelelcaroatomiku: you can just use rsync, but I'd almost just move the data over
21:01.38atomikuI mean, theoretically it should work
21:01.44atomikulinux does all its shiz through files
21:01.45dondelelcaroatomiku: that is, the bits in /etc, /home, /srv, and /var that you need; everything else you can install by using /msg dpkg aptitude clone;
21:01.47atomikuno registry, etc blah
21:01.49atomikuHmm
21:01.53atomikuWell, I guess so
21:01.56nsadminso pg routing doesn't come from postgresql-8.3 source
21:02.34BingOhmm.. i see
21:03.02BingOnsadmin: if we install postgresql-8.3 by apt-get the pg routing etc.. all packages get install by it ?
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21:06.57nsadminlooks like everything except pg routing is in lenny
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21:08.06BingOok, Thanks..!!
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21:09.05nsadminif you do build yourself, you should keep the default prefix
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21:13.52dimedohi, is there a way to get a list of all loaded kernel modules without the lsmod command? maybe something in /proc?
21:14.21jleedevman lsmod
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21:15.01nsadmindimedo: read lsmod source to see what it does
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21:18.11lolufailhey guise
21:18.33c0m1anyone here used git-svn in debian squeeze? Just curious... didn't seem to install correctly for me
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21:19.05suwrohello
21:19.09lolufaildo we have a filesystem/tool(?) to do that windows home server thingy, that somehow mounts several harddrives into the same directory, but in a way where you can access the files on the particular drive as well...
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21:19.41lolufailI dont know what they call it, and only saw it in a youtube video.. but that seems pretty cool
21:20.02lolufailaparently you can select what you want to be kept redundant, how often, and so on
21:20.05dondelelcarololufail: it's called unionfs, and it's not terribly useful
21:20.27dondelelcaro(well, in this instance, anyway)
21:20.29lolufaildondelelcaro: why@!useful
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21:20.41c0m1lolufail: well, LVM can make it possible to mount several drives onto the same directory, don't know about the particular drive part
21:20.47rohanhow do i set whether my system clock is UTC or not, after install?
21:21.10suwrowhat's happening with clamav? Lately I keep get errs that clamav' database is older than 7 days, clamav-freshclam log say that
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21:21.12suwroWARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED!
21:21.12suwroWARNING: Local version: 0.95.1 Recommended version: 0.95.2
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21:21.30asgrohan: hwclock
21:21.30suwrowhere is 0.95.2 ?
21:21.38dondelelcarololufail: it's generally only appropriate for the case that you have a single drive that you want to write to overlaid over a set of drives that you don't
21:21.41lolufailc0m1: isn't lvm comparable to a raid0 in terms of failure?
21:21.46asgsuwro: are you using the volatile repository for clam?
21:21.47dondelelcarololufail: not necessarily
21:21.51suwroasg: yes
21:22.01dondelelcarololufail: and you can certainly run lvm on top of raid1 or 5 or whatever.
21:22.07mamalujo_theres also mhddfs, and one more, i forget the name
21:22.09rohanasg: oh, but how do i let "debian" know that? i think it was some setting in /etc right?
21:22.12lolufailyeah, I run one ontop a raid6
21:22.28asgrohan: /etc/default/rcS iirc
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21:22.30suwroasg:  http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile stable/volatile main contrib non-free
21:22.41rohanasg: ah thanks, dpkg helped me there :)
21:22.57c0m1lolufail: yeah, I'd probably run lvm on top of raid (actually, that is what i do, though I've always been using raid 1)
21:23.03lolufailbut that much redundancy for movies is a little crazy, so I'm looking for something better. I dont want to lose all the movies when a drive fails, but I want them to be in the same directory... and ideas?
21:23.06matt357_hello all
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21:23.14PuffMaNevening folks
21:23.14asgsuwro: not sure then; perhaps check the bts or file a bug since volatile is supported now.
21:23.24lolufailany*
21:23.28enoufrohan: also, /msg dpkg set the time
21:23.45suwroasg: ok ty
21:23.46dondelelcarololufail: if you don't want to lose them when a drive fails, use raid. If you don't care, use jbod or similar.
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21:24.07PuffMaNi got a sun enterprise 250 with sparc cpu's, installed debian sparc on it and i want to install the webmin .deb package i got from the site
21:24.10PuffMaNand i get this
21:24.11PuffMaN./webmin_1.480_all.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
21:24.11PuffMaN./webmin_1.480_all.deb: line 1: `!<arch>'
21:24.35PuffMaNi see "all" in the file, so i would assume sparc is included?
21:24.38nkuttlerPuffMaN: webmin isn't a part of debian
21:24.38lolufaildondelelcaro: you misunderstood. I'm fine with loosing the ones on the failed drive, I just dont want to lose _all_ of the movies (incl the ones on the other drives)
21:24.39dondelelcaroPuffMaN: talk to whoever is distributing that package of webmin.
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21:24.45PuffMaNhmm ok
21:24.50PuffMaN#webmin isnt very crowded
21:25.02[SkG]hifi, i just downloaded a testing netinstall cd
21:25.02PuffMaNso i thought i'd ask in here, someone might know
21:25.09nkuttlerPuffMaN: /msg dpkg webmin
21:25.17[SkG]damm auto nick completion
21:25.17enoufgah .. late again
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21:25.35lolufailhmm, I could use a shellscript to symlink the contents of each drive to my main directory
21:25.42lolufailnhah doesnt make sense
21:25.52[SkG]hi i just downloaded a testing netinstall cd, Its safe to select ext4 for the main partition? or not supported yet?
21:26.07azeem[SkG]: it's not safe
21:26.20azeembut then neither is testing
21:26.24dondelelcarololufail: you can juse bind mounts and unionfs to do that if you really want
21:26.29PuffMaNhmm, i see...
21:26.38[SkG]lolufail, i mean if the installer supports it
21:26.38PuffMaNkk thx for the info
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21:26.50[SkG]damm nick auto correction...
21:26.51enouflolufail: also note, raid only might protect against physical drive failure, not FS corruption, or a bad rm -rX command, etc
21:26.55dondelelcarololufail: see funionfs for example
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21:27.03[SkG]azeem, i mean if the installer supports it
21:27.15enoufthere's also afs (another unionfs)
21:27.18lolufail[SkG]: ??
21:27.22lolufailah
21:27.31azeemenouf: aufs
21:27.39[SkG]sry lolufail
21:27.39azeemafs is another beast
21:27.43enoufazeem: yes, thanks
21:27.53enoufaufs, not afs
21:28.05azeem[SkG]: probably not, but dunni
21:28.07azeemdunno*
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21:28.32[SkG]i saw that i can select it as the filesystem format
21:28.49azeemok, so what is your question?
21:28.59azeemif you can select it, the installer supports it, no?
21:29.08azeemwhether or not it is "safe" is a different matter, of course
21:29.14[SkG]:/ the question is It will boot?
21:29.18enouf[SkG]: IINM, even in Lenny, there's some support for ext4, it's called ext4dev though
21:29.31enouf!ext4
21:29.31dpkg[ext4] Fourth extended file system.  Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents.  Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1.  Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later.  Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>.  Not supported by GRUB Legacy.  http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4  http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/  #ext4 on irc.oftc.net.
21:29.59dimedojleedev, thanks for the hint
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21:30.29lolufailhow does unionfs handle writes? wikipedia is clueless ;)
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21:30.34enouf[SkG]: you might want to read a bit ;-) http://lwn.net/Articles/326471/
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21:30.58enouflolufail: handle?
21:31.00simonrvnlolufail: you failed
21:31.21[SkG]I saw that article few days ago
21:32.16dondelelcarololufail: it writes to a single filesystem. However, if you do what I'm suggesting, you write your movies to a set of drives (however you want to) and then cause them to be interleaved using bind mounts and funionfs or similar.
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21:32.20lolufailsimonrvn: as far as I read out of it... it just doesnt?
21:32.40enoufhttp://www.filesystems.org/project-unionfs.html hrm
21:32.45bookmarkhallo! is there some command to hibernate a pc in debian?
21:32.51bookmarker.. sleep it rather
21:32.59asgor just use a movie player that can handle more than one directory
21:33.14enouf[SkG]: and all the various threads, articles, postings, changelogs, patches it references?
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21:33.38lolufailah, fuck wikipedia, sry for not googleing, was reading something else
21:33.51nkuttlerlolufail: edit wikipedia
21:33.54[SkG]the only problem is: Debian installer installs a grub patched for ext4?
21:33.55adbbookmark:  hibernate
21:34.10enouf[SkG]: likely grub2
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21:34.19simNIXlolufail, you are talking about tor ?
21:34.23enouf[SkG]: grub1 == grub-legacy
21:34.33enoufIINM
21:34.41[SkG]i know, but wich version installs debian installer=
21:34.46sepultlanguagedrill is cool
21:34.49lolufailsimNIX: tor?
21:35.09simNIXdisregard I wrongly thougt about other unions
21:35.21simNIXof which theres a podcast that explains it good
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21:36.19FairFightIs there a easy way to empty a file with nano?
21:36.28[SkG]anyway I'm going to install into ext4 partition, if grub dont works will chroot and install grub2
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21:37.14asgFairFight: :> /path/to/file (at your shell prompt works)
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21:37.56FairFight:> empty's an file?
21:38.20asgFairFight: make it completely empty in most shells.
21:38.42FairFightCool. Thanks!
21:39.04Trampand, at least in bash, the : is redundant
21:39.11asgindeed
21:41.26mamalujo_yes, aufs was the name of the other one. lolufail , when I was looking for something like that, stumbled across mhddfs on deb pckg of the day, http://debaday.debian.net/2008/05/25/mhddfs-join-several-real-filesystems-together-to-form-a-single-larger-one/ , unionfs like, but handles writes more intelligently. dont know about its reliability, but havent had problems yet
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21:44.22mamalujo_they also mention glusterfs , no idea what that is..
21:44.41asgmamalujo_: cluster filesystem
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21:45.41enoufhrm, wasn't that gfs/FUSE, or ... /me reads
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21:47.44asgenouf: gfs is a redhat cluster filesystem; gluster is a different beast
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21:48.16enoufhrm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace#Examples
21:48.37enoufasg: oh .. i thought it was google FS, or similar - heh
21:49.22enoufgrah.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_File_System Acronym Soup du jour!
21:49.34mamalujo_they mention something about poor performances from mhddfs though
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21:50.08asgenouf: :) they have the same name
21:50.09enouf3 letters is too few ... we're running out of acronyms!!
21:50.49asgxxx would work wonders
21:51.20enoufhaha ... and look at this; Not to be confused with Global File System or GmailFS.
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21:52.06asgenouf: small world
21:52.07enoufasg: yeah, sometimes i still use domain-name.xxx to show i'm not sure whether or not it should be .com/.net/.org
21:52.29asgenouf: one of these days, that might lead to something rather spicy
21:52.48enoufasg: web 2.0! + ipv6 ? :-p
21:53.18asgenouf: encrypted point-to-point pron
21:53.24nsadminwebipv12.0
21:53.33asgenouf: with feeling
21:53.49enoufwell .. i already chose the domain-name i'd buy and hold if there ever is a .xxx - it'd be "domination.xxx" O_o
21:54.11asgenouf: I'd go with xxx.xxx myself
21:54.19enoufand every variant thereof :-) -- sorry about the OT folks
21:55.56mamalujo_ah, so this is where that postinst script was failing : "NVIDIA overwrites the libglx.so which the X server provides with it's proprietary libglx.so."
21:56.12mamalujo_*postrm
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21:58.00enoufmamalujo_: i recall much earlier today seeing your woes, trying to upgrade to sid's version of X on Lenny so you could try out the -noveau driver? and yet, you still had nvidia/nvidia-glx installed? shame on you :-P
21:58.29enoufmamalujo_: how did you install the nvidia driver(s)? Debian way, or nvidia.run?
21:59.11enoufmamalujo_: yes, nvidia is notorious for overwriting stuff it has no busines touching :-p
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21:59.59mamalujo_nah, the woes were nvidia refusing to deinstall. frankly i dont remember how i installed it
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22:10.42eldowani recently tried updating to kde 4 with squeeze, but ended up re-installing and using Lenny. My kde3 install now has windows maximizing across both screens. A new user has a maximize only across one screen. How can I regain this functionality?
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22:10.45scienteshow do target a upgrade version
22:11.14enoufmamalujo_: right, but you realize newer X means a newer libc6, which means you're no longer running Lenny, but some twisted weirdo psycho variant :-P .. have you considered backporting? not that it would work for something like X
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22:11.27scienteslike apt-get -t unstable install foo
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22:11.31scientesbut if foo is already installed
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22:13.11BingOback
22:13.27BingOwhere is nsadmin
22:13.49mamalujo_enouf, im on squeeze already, and it twisted weirdo psyco with unstable components a bit. more and more w time :D
22:14.28enoufmamalujo_: okie doke then ;-)
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22:14.48enoufscientes: the debian-reference explains it well
22:14.53enouf!reference
22:14.53dpkgThe Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ .  Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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22:17.04pablohi, which is the app run after 20 reboots to check the fs integrity?
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22:17.22eldowanpablo: fsck?
22:18.27pabloeldowan: yeah ok thanks
22:19.41dustybinwhat kind of tools do you guys run in a screen session?
22:19.49peppertorrent >:-P
22:19.56dustybinirssi + rtorrent
22:20.08peppehah, I'm not the only one...
22:20.24dustybinhow about mutt
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22:21.40dustybinirssi (IRC) + rtorrent (torrents) + mutt (email)
22:22.06rudi_sand elinks and vim
22:22.12nooperand screen
22:22.18eldowandustybin: audio and a/v transcoding, any long term command that I may be disconnected from and would screw up.
22:22.31nooperslrn sometimes
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22:23.14Qewirssi, hellanzb, and general console stuff
22:23.23rhombusI realize this may be a strange question...
22:23.26dustybinrudi_s: you dont use a desktop / wm at all?
22:23.39rhombuswhat does apt-get install say at the end, when it's installing packages?
22:24.07rhombusas in... "blah blah <packagename> <version>"
22:24.37rhombusfailing that, if anybody can point me to some complete screen output of apt-get install procedures, I'd be grateful
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22:25.01rudi_sdustybin: No desktop. I use xmonad as wm but use it only to launch my xterms and some graphical application (mplayer, iceweasel) if necessary.
22:25.17enoufpablo: are you using ext2/3? One can alter how often that automatically happens by amount of mounts, or after a certain period of time - man tune2fs
22:25.33dustybinrudi_s: blimin hek
22:25.48rudi_s^^
22:25.54enoufpablo: might as well /msg dpkg forcefsck -and check man fstab
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22:26.46mamalujo_layout group com has mutt+irssi+rtorrent, irssi and rtorrent inside their own screens, and group sys htop,iftop,iotop :)
22:26.57enoufrhombus: /msg dpkg grounding
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22:27.31enoufrhombus: the debian-reference will come in handy especially
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22:27.46rhombusenouf: ok
22:28.04dustybinrudi_s: are you using old hardware?
22:28.14noopermamalujo_: why seperate screens for irssi and rtorrent?
22:28.39enoufmanually detaching/reattaching to each .. as needed?
22:28.57nooperyou can do that with 1
22:29.20rudi_sdustybin: No, mostly new hardware. But I like working on the console; much more pleasant for me than a desktop.
22:29.35enoufrudi_s: resolution is?
22:29.40rudi_sAnd using the console makes it easy never to use the mouse.
22:29.52rudi_senouf: resolution?
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22:30.09enoufindeed .. however, with broken keyboards (and possibly keymaps), it sucks :-P
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22:30.22mamalujo_just so I can -xS to them for fullscreen, for I havent figured out a way to toggle fullscreen AND restore layout in screen
22:30.26enoufrudi_s: 80x60? vga=NNN ?
22:30.54enoufrudi_s: i loathe line wrapping because the fonts are SO BIG - heh
22:30.57rudi_senouf: I haven't tried the framebuffer very much, at the moment I
22:31.03rudi_s'm using X.
22:31.12enoufoh ..
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22:32.01rudi_sThe problem with console only is that I sometimes need iceweasel (for broken webpages) and for that I need X.
22:32.01dustybinconsole ftw
22:32.02dustybinhttp://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg
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22:32.40mamalujo_and cuz I changed my masterlayout conf around, it still doesnt work right, and want them running irespective of such tweakings
22:32.48enouf!fbcon resolution
22:32.49dpkg[fbcon resolution] run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes.  The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305.  Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.
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22:33.08enoufif you aren't happy with the resolution, that is
22:33.34rudi_senouf: Thanks, this looks good.
22:33.43eldowandustybin: thats one funcky keyboard in the haskell pic
22:33.51dustybinxmonad sounds ace, one could launch a browser when required, rest console
22:33.57enoufrudi_s: indeed - note; cat /proc/cmdline output - here's mine
22:33.57rudi_sIs there a way to run application like iceweasel without X?
22:34.00dustybineldowan: heh indeed
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22:34.06enoufcat /proc/cmdline
22:34.11enoufheh .. oops
22:34.28mamalujo_rudy, I believe so
22:34.54dustybinrudi_s: does your mouse work with xmonad?
22:35.02enoufrudi_s: well, perhaps using FB in console - links2 -g works in the console
22:35.06rudi_sdustybin: Yes, it works fine.
22:35.06enoufwith graphics ;-)
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22:35.26rudi_senouf: Thanks, I will try it.
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22:35.44enoufrudi_s: /msg dpkg links2 (using directfb and svgalib), or any of other numerous ones, i suppose you could try
22:36.51FairFightI found out that I have a problem in mod_sql/mod_sql_mysql in proftpd, how should I find my problem? If I comment whole my sql.conf the problem is still there.
22:37.15rudi_senouf: Thanks again, I will have a look. I hope I can banish X completely then ;-)
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22:37.18enoufrudi_s: it works fine here, only thing is, my vga=791 makes console at 1024x768, but links2 -g runs at 800x600 for me only, for some reason - i don't recall if i was toying about with the /etc/svga* files/configs when trying to watch DVDs in mplayer in console or what :-P
22:38.15enoufrudi_s: with x and xterms installed, i rarely jump down to console much anymore - but indeed - i always like lightweight over bloated and eye candy
22:38.27enoufnp pablo
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22:39.03enoufFairFight: are any of those perhaps apache2 modules?
22:39.18rudi_senouf: Me too ;-) Thank you very much for help.
22:39.31enoufapt-cache search --names-only libapache2
22:39.35enoufrudi_s: np ;-)
22:40.30enoufheh append " | grep sql" :-)
22:40.35jpinxrudi_s: I haven't read the whole scrollback, but you can have most things without X - even messengers and VoIP with cam
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22:41.26rudi_sjpinx: I got most things one the console ... but iceweasel which I need for broken webpages (JavaScript, etc.) is my major problem ...
22:41.45rudi_sDo I need anything special to use mplayer on the console?
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22:41.52FairFightapache2 have 1 called mod-log-sql and 1 called mod-log-sql-mysql but should that make a conflict enouf?
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22:42.22enoufrudi_s: it's tricky .. atleast for me to get working properly - maybe #mplayer would help out - they will want you to build from their svn or whatever though
22:42.28jpinxrudi_s: yea - the browser is a major headache
22:42.40jpinxrudi_s: mplayer "just works"
22:42.56enoufrudi_s: i got it to barely work, but not well at all - and it was unwatchable ... but i gave up too soon  then ;0'
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22:44.05jpinxrudi_s: I use wget and clive to download and then view in mplayer
22:44.07enoufrudi_s: well .. i meant solely watching DVDs (physical, internal drive) through mplayer - i don;t think i tried streeaming video and stuff then
22:44.28rudi_senouf: Hm, doesn't sound good .. any hints to do this without compiling mplayer (I don't want to pull in the dependencies).
22:44.39rudi_sThat's what I want to do as well, mostly DVDs.
22:44.45ksnphi, I am trying to get ddclient work with ssl : i get the following error with it. But wget with https works fine. If anyone knows how to fix it, please let me know
22:44.46enoufsure, IIRC, playing FLV, etc videos worked
22:44.51ksnpIO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
22:45.29mamalujo_rudi_s: here is a mention of "setting up an XServer on framebuffer", and i remember somwhere else, something about a rootless window, for making x apps work in fb console http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/3393-how-set-up-framebuffer-part-1-a.html
22:45.40enoufrudi_s: well .. i was using a debian-multimedia.org version of mplayer when i tested
22:46.02enoufhrm, xnest?
22:46.25enoufrudi_s: what does lspci -nn | grep VGA say?
22:46.34enouf(just curious)
22:46.45mamalujo_i think fb is not usable under screen, though, so you couldnt have any wm
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22:47.29rudi_senouf: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8500 GT [10de:0421] (rev a1)
22:47.31enoufksnp: you mean dhclient?
22:47.45nsadminfb under screen? screen is a terminal/text-based app
22:48.23adbjudd: pciid  [10de:0421]
22:48.24juddadb: Error: "10de:0421" is not a valid command.
22:48.29adbjudd: pciid 10de:0421
22:48.31juddadb: [10de:0421] is 'G86 [GeForce 8500 GT]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0421
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22:48.49rudi_smamalujo_: Thanks, I'm having a look at it.
22:49.16enoufi always wondered why there's no documentation about radeonfb, nor nvidiafb here http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/fb/
22:49.33mamalujo_mplayer lust worked for me, though there was no ui
22:49.35rudi_sI just tried mplayer -vo svga and I got svgalib: Cannot get I/O permission. What am I doing wrong?
22:49.39enoufdoes anyone know? and it's all kernel versions AFAICT
22:49.52enoufrudi_s: you didn;t read
22:49.55valdynrudi_s: is there a reason why you are trying to use antiquated gfx?
22:50.24enoufvaldyn: he's in console
22:50.33valdynenouf: that is my point
22:50.33rudi_senouf: Sorry, what did I do wrong?
22:50.37Ficthehi, someone mention that can I can start two instances of x and switch between them seamlessly (i.e., two users, say one with xmonad and one with gnome, can alternative between their X sessions just by ctrl+alt+f7 and ctrl+alt+f8), can someone please point me to the right direction into achieving this?
22:50.42enoufvaldyn: i understand then
22:50.45Ficthesomeone mentioned*, I meant.
22:51.08rudi_svaldyn: What do you mean? I'm not sure what you mean.
22:51.29enoufrudi_s: others can help as well - i'm not certain, but i was referring to the setuid root bit to get links2 to work properly without being root
22:51.31valdynrudi_s: why are you trying to run stuff in console unaccelerated when you can have X?
22:51.36nsadminFicthe: the other server, you start on vt8 on :1
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22:52.01rudi_svaldyn: I just like the console ....
22:52.02enoufrudi_s: but it certainly seems like a permission issue ;-)
22:52.08valdynrudi_s: libvga is probably even worse than using the console fb
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22:52.20mamalujo_nsadmin: yes, my point was just that graphical apps must be in fullscreen in console, theres no equivalent for window managers
22:52.26valdynrudi_s: it does need root, its an antique hack
22:52.38Ficthensadmin, oh, simple as that eh, thanks.
22:53.06nsadminFicthe: you also want to -query the *dm
22:53.15valdynrudi_s: console graphics is horribly slow
22:53.22valdynrudi_s: theres no serious advantage
22:53.25nsadminI think you'll find man X to be an interesting read
22:53.38rudi_svaldyn, enouf: Thanks. But running as root gives me 'Cannot initialize driver'.
22:53.56Ficthensadmin, surely, because I've no clue what you could have meant by "-quary the *dm"
22:54.15valdynrudi_s: libvga does something insane, it talks to your gfx card directly
22:54.23rudi_svaldyn: I have no experience with it, so I had no idea. Never tried to use mplayer with it.
22:54.26valdynrudi_s: maybe its a good thing that it doesnt work
22:54.30rudi_svaldyn: ^^
22:54.31valdynrudi_s: try -vo fb
22:55.03enoufrudi_s: try other -vo options (and/or edit your /etc/svga* conffiles accordingly) , man mplayer -- as i was mentioning, i did all this awhile back, and i even tried whatever nvidia-specific options mplayer has, which i don;t recall offhand
22:55.37valdynrudi_s: anythign should be better than libvga
22:55.55valdynrudi_s: who wants to watch movies in vga resolutions?
22:56.17rudi_svaldyn: Didn't work, it tells me there is no video :/
22:56.21jelly-homerudi_s: in essence, you need X to get reliable accelerated video.
22:56.43valdynrudi_s: you may not be using a framebuffer
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22:56.59valdynrudi_s: that means that no driver is loaded, a driver like nvidiafb or vesafb or radeonfb
22:57.00nkuttlerrudi_s: there's still -vo caca
22:57.06rudi_senouf: Thanks, will do .. but maybe I will stick with X for videos, if console is so slow then it doesn't seem useful .. :/
22:57.22rudi_svaldyn: How can I find out if it's loaded?
22:57.28valdynrudi_s: lsmod
22:57.35mamalujo_theres also this http://www.directfb.org/index.php?path=Projects%2FXDirectFB  Im not sure what it is exactly, but sounds related..
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22:57.39jelly-homenoone mentioned -vo cvidix?
22:57.44valdynrudi_s: making your X look like a console makes alot more sense
22:57.48rudi_snkuttler: lol, nice
22:57.52valdynrudi_s: than trying to put graphics on the console
22:57.54Ficthensadmin, "man X" returns "See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available." - what should I be looking at here? :s
22:58.07valdynrudi_s: and making X look like console isnt hard either
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22:58.21dpkgi guess ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info  The WM with No Flashy Wank!  See also <stumpwm>.
22:58.31rudi_svaldyn: Thanks for the suggestion, I will do this (or have it already) .. Xmonad is pretty console like.
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22:59.43valdynmamalujo_: thats only an X server for the framebuffer, it makes no sense on a complete computer
23:00.13enoufjust in case this was lost - and if anyone can answer, i'd appreciate it; but does anyone know why there isn't documentation about using "nvidiafb", nor "radeonfb" in the kernel's /Documentation/fb/ dir, as there's all those others
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23:01.08enoufjelly-home: that's the one ... cvidix
23:01.25enouf(for nvidia, that i tried way back)
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23:02.25enoufvaldyn: links2 -g uses Directfb in Console, IINM -- works well
23:02.50ksnpenouf : sorry, was away - i meant ddclient, not dhclient
23:03.07valdynenouf: i dont doubt that, but its not comparable to what X accelerates
23:03.07ksnpto refresh the error is : IO::Socket::SSL: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol IO::Socket::INET configuration failederror:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
23:03.12enoufrudi_s: as i mentioned, ask in #mplayer, and perhaps ##linux, if you really want to dig into it
23:03.41rudi_sThanks all for your help, suggestions, especially enouf and valdyn. I will have a look at framebuffer (even if it's not for videos).
23:03.52rudi_senouf: Will do.
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23:04.04enoufjudd: depends links2
23:04.05juddenouf: links2 -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdirectfb-1.0-0, libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libsvga1, libtiff4, libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
23:04.09enoufvaldyn: ^^^^^
23:04.09valdynenouf: i see only embedded devices being supported well and accelerated
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23:04.35enoufvaldyn: for a browser, it works fine, no xlib, no sockets, etc
23:04.47valdynenouf: yea, i guess
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23:05.28rgrasell1I have a radeon x1600.  Will the fglrx driver work in debian lenny?
23:05.54enoufvaldyn: sorry! i thought you said "i doubt that" , not "i don't doubt that" ...
23:06.26enoufstarts drinking - my vision gets blurry when i don't O_o
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23:07.06enoufrgrasell1: perhaps, but fglrx isn't supported here really - and most will tell you it's a crapshoot ;-)
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23:07.49rgrasell1enouf: lol thanks.  but i really need the performance!!
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23:08.04enoufrgrasell1: IIRC, the xorg radeon driver does well with r5xx Chips , such as the x1900XT or
23:08.11enoufok then
23:08.15enouf!fglrx
23:08.16dpkgfrom memory, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver.  To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary .  As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead.  #ati on irc.freenode.net.
23:08.20jpinxjudd: depends linphone
23:08.20juddjpinx: linphone -- Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libavcodec51 (>= 0.svn20080206), libavutil49 (>= 0.svn20080206), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.12), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), liblinphone2, libmediastreamer0 (>= 2.0.1), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libortp7 (>= 2.0.1), libosip2-3deb, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.2), libraw1394-8, libspeex1 (>= (1 more message)
23:08.42enoufrgrasell1: you might need a newer version of X or something backported for "radeon" improvements
23:09.17rgrasell1enouf: but i need the power savign from fglrx too.  and opengl seems buggy in the open source drivers
23:09.35enoufit's your system - do as you like ;-)
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23:10.54rgrasell1enouf: but will it work? apparently in ubuntu the x.org is too old to use the fglrx driver
23:12.15adbrgrasell1: use  ubuntu ?
23:12.15rgrasell1adb: yea.  but ive used debian, and ill switch to debian if fglrx runs on it
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23:12.32mamalujo_ah, i see nouveaufb doesnt exist yet. so, vesafb is currenty only usable free fb? theres an uvesafb , is that better?
23:13.00jelly-homemamalujo_: what do you need the fb for?
23:13.20enouf!uvesafb
23:13.34enoufmamalujo_: it's certainly newer
23:14.07enoufand atleast debian kernels from .26 up use uvesafb as module over vesafb
23:14.22enoufnot sure about older deb kernels
23:14.23mamalujo_oh, just for a prettier console :) have a feeling my x will crash soon ;D
23:14.44jelly-homemamalujo_: enabled fb makes X more unstable than it already is
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23:15.05enoufmamalujo_: vga=NNN option works well enough most times
23:15.59enoufjelly-home: why? it occupies iomem that would otherwise be used via X?
23:17.15enoufthat is /proc/iomem (PCI I/O address space)    f0000000-f3ffffff : vesafb
23:17.55jelly-homeenouf: two drivers loaded that use the same hardware and know not of each other
23:18.26mamalujo_enouf, oh, so its the default? jelly-home , didnt know that. So, its better to stay away from any kind of enhanced console? I just read that nvidia's fb driver bothers it x driver, but thought thats just like nvidia - so even the free ones?
23:18.42enoufhrm .. i can see that perhaps being an issue in transitional modes, such as suspend/hibernate and such
23:19.02enoufmamalujo_: modprobe -l | grep vesafb
23:19.05jelly-homemamalujo_: unless you're hard pressed to have it, just ignore that feature, yes
23:19.45jelly-homemamalujo_: vesafb or intelfb definitely interfere with video-intel for X
23:20.05enoufmamalujo_: yes, i wouldn't suggest using nvidiafb unless you stay far away from any nvidia X 3D drivers
23:21.01mamalujo_well, thx!
23:22.25enouf$ grep NV /boot/config-2.6.29-2-686 and run modinfo on anyone that's =m (once you find the modulename that is ;-))
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23:30.19CutMeOwnThroatwhat's the way to run an apache ssl server with apache2? There was apache and apache-ssl with 1.3, seems it's different with apache2
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23:30.57BadgermasterMy network admin applet doesn't start autimatically after a dist upgrade, and I can't find out how to start it manually on google
23:31.47BadgermasterI know it's called nm-applet on ubuntu and is found under /usr/bin/ but the only thing I can find on my system is nm, which is not what I'm looking for
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23:32.40CutMeOwnThroat!tell Badgermaster -about apt-file
23:32.41azeemBadgermaster: install network-manager-gnome
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23:33.35Badgermaster** (network-admin:4332): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '4332'
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23:34.51BadgermasterNetwork manager doesn't let me change any options, and if I start it as a normal user and unlock it the changes I make isn't saved
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23:34.58antiiWhat driver shall i get for my nvidia card? (7950GT)
23:35.10azeemBadgermaster: start what?
23:35.18Badgermasternetwork-admin
23:35.25azeemthat's not network-manager
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23:35.33BadgermasterI know, I mixed them
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23:36.01azeemBadgermaster: I don't recommend using network-admin
23:36.16azeemeither setup /etc/network/interfaces yourself, or use network-manager
23:36.47BadgermasterI don't have network manager, and the only connection I have is wireless so I can't get online with that computer atm
23:37.21BadgermasterI downloaded network.ma
23:38.05azeemso you had network-manager, and then dist-upgraded?
23:38.22Badgermasternetwork-manager-gnome from the repositories and transfered it with a usb-pen, but it conflicts with network-admin and gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome-network-admin
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23:38.40mooperdanyone any idea what reclen means in iozone?
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23:39.02azeemmooperd: do you have a Debian question?
23:39.13azeemand/or what is iozone?
23:39.31azeemBadgermaster: which version of Debian?
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23:39.37mooperdazeem, iozone is a file system benchmark
23:39.43BadgermasterTesting
23:39.44mooperdIm running it on debian :)
23:39.59azeemmooperd: well, consult its documentation then, or, worest case, the source code
23:40.03jelly-homejudd: versions iozone3
23:40.03juddjelly-home: iozone3 -- etch/non-free: 263-1 lenny/non-free: 287-2 sid/non-free: 308-1 squeeze/non-free: 308-1
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23:40.25mooperdazeem, documentation is somewhat lacking
23:40.28jelly-homethat thing.
23:40.48mooperdits a heading on the output table
23:40.51mooperdKB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read   write    read  rewrite
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23:41.05jelly-homerecord length?
23:41.09mooperdbingo
23:41.20mooperdthanks jelly-home
23:41.55BadgermasterIs there any way to force-remove network-admin and then install network-manager, without having to uninstall the gnome environment?
23:42.14azeemBadgermaster: gnome-desktop-environment is just a meta-package
23:42.22azeemyou can safely remove it temporarily
23:42.35azeem(unless of course APT wants to remove dozens of other GNOME packages along)
23:42.58BadgermasterI'll check the warning message
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23:46.35CutMeOwnThroatBadgermaster, dpkg does it...
23:46.44CutMeOwnThroatwhat's the way to run an apache ssl server with apache2? There was apache and apache-ssl with 1.3, seems it's different with apache2
23:47.39BadgermasterCutMeOwnThroat: apt-get remove did it without autoremoving a lot of other packages
23:47.44Badgermasterazeem: Thanks
23:49.51enoufmooperd: record length?
23:50.08enoufcrap .. -- more -- thing again
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23:50.31antiihmm, how do i install the newest nvidia drivers? I cant find them searching in apt-cache search hmm
23:50.42nkuttlerCutMeOwnThroat: check apache2-doc. you can simply set up a vhost and enable ssl.
23:50.49enoufneeds proper colorization for status bar!
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23:52.12CutMeOwnThroatnkuttler, yeah, seems so... it actually appears to be more complicated than with 1.3
23:52.30CutMeOwnThroatalthough - in a way running two different servers was a pain in the a....neck
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23:56.39BadgermasterYay, I can go back to using just 1 computer again \o/
23:56.48jpinxCutMeOwnThroat: apache2 has examples of ssl in the install
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23:57.41enoufCutMeOwnThroat: any help? http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_an_SSL_server_with_Apache2
23:58.48antiihmm enouf
23:58.53CutMeOwnThroatI saw that
23:58.53antiihow do i generate a xorg-config ?
23:59.11CutMeOwnThroat"apache2-ssl-certificate" doesn't exist anymore
23:59.41themillCutMeOwnThroat: ask dpkg about it (and read the comments on the article)
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