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| 00:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, digging through doku.. |
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| 00:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't see any dpkg factoid that directly applies, though |
| 00:01.52 | themill | dpkg: tell CutMeOwnThroat about apache2-ssl-certificate# |
| 00:02.00 | themill | dpkg: tell CutMeOwnThroat about apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 00:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 00:03.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
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| 00:04.24 | enouf | heh |
| 00:04.32 | iluminator101 | how do i force stop an operation in console? |
| 00:04.36 | enouf | from the debian-admin article; |
| 00:04.39 | enouf | "#96 Re: Setting up an SSL server with Apache2 Posted by Anonymous (195.27.xx.xx) on Mon 24 Nov 2008 at 11:07 The script apache2-ssl-certificate doesn't exist anymore. For a work-around, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520" |
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| 00:05.14 | enouf | antii: why me? maybe X -configure? |
| 00:05.37 | enouf | iluminator101: CTRL-c ? |
| 00:06.12 | enouf | which is also written as '^C' many places |
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| 00:09.23 | antii | enouf: ty |
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| 00:25.54 | enouf | np |
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| 00:35.29 | atomiku | Just got another VPS up, the company doesnt provide any nameservers |
| 00:35.40 | atomiku | What ns software should I use? |
| 00:35.53 | atomiku | does named/bind9 do the job? |
| 00:35.55 | atomiku | I can't remember |
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| 00:36.09 | atomiku | the domain stuffs is going to want ns1.atomiku.com and ns2.atomiku.com |
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| 00:44.25 | SirTopHat` | I was in the middle of installing ntfs-3g, and it told be I had to kill some processes for it to finish. I went into ctrl-alt-F1, and tried "kill proftpd" and it needed arguments to run for some reason. I read the man file and it looked like it said "kill 9 1 proftpd" would work but no, that killed everything. how in the world do I kill a process? |
| 00:44.38 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat`: kill PID |
| 00:44.45 | SirTopHat` | I tried that |
| 00:45.05 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat`: no, you didn't; you tried kill process_name; when you finally did, you killed init (which is pid 1) |
| 00:45.22 | SirTopHat` | gah damnit I hate these worthless man files |
| 00:45.45 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat`: it's pretty explicit... kill [ -signal | -s signal ] pid ... |
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| 00:46.21 | SirTopHat` | heylets give vague instructions and not consider any possibility someone would think a PID is the process name, no that will never happen lets just wait for people to almost break their system! |
| 00:46.23 | jelly-home | SirTopHat`: "it told be I had to kill some processes" ... which installation command told you that? What was the exact wording? |
| 00:46.53 | SirTopHat` | in the middle of installing ntfs-3g, it said I needed to restart some thing it couldn't, I don't know the wording |
| 00:47.16 | SirTopHat` | I'll have to do the whole thing again Iguess, this time in ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 00:47.23 | dondelelcaro | SirTopHat`: in such a case, you'd use /etc/init.d/proftpd restart; |
| 00:47.28 | SirTopHat` | wait three minutes for the download |
| 00:47.30 | SirTopHat` | k |
| 00:47.31 | jelly-home | SirTopHat`: how did you come to "middle of installing ntfs-3g"? |
| 00:47.46 | SirTopHat` | after I did apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 00:48.06 | jelly-home | SirTopHat`: exact and complete messages are important when determining what happened |
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| 00:48.59 | SirTopHat` | it's fine now |
| 00:49.15 | SirTopHat` | but it broke dpkg and now I have to wait for it to fix itself |
| 00:49.42 | jelly-home | this sounds like you upgraded libc6 among other things and you got the dialog where it would restart some services for you, with a proposed list of services |
| 00:49.55 | SirTopHat` | ok, while it's fixing it now itl ooks like the same exact thing from ntfs-3g, it's libc6 |
| 00:50.16 | SirTopHat` | yeah it said those services couldn't be restarted without me doing it myself |
| 00:50.17 | jelly-home | (and if that guess is correct, this implies your apt is misconfigured) |
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| 00:50.33 | jelly-home | or you didn't do an upgrade in a long time |
| 00:50.50 | SirTopHat` | well I'm in that window in ctrlaltF1 now so this xchat will be restarted along with the rest of X |
| 00:51.02 | jelly-home | SirTopHat`: which debian release are you using? |
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| 00:52.38 | SirTopHat | oh, X didn't have to be restarted. |
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| 00:53.35 | SirTopHat | after installing ntfs-3g, my windows partition is still mounted as read only. hm |
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| 00:56.49 | SirTopHat | a ro in a fstab line probabl means read only, right |
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| 00:58.04 | SirTopHat | why can't miksuh say anything? |
| 00:58.16 | SirTopHat | he tells me he can't |
| 00:58.21 | SirTopHat | or she, dunno |
| 00:58.58 | SirTopHat | he gets "#debian cannot send to channel" |
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| 01:00.36 | SirTopHat | he "has been on this channel a long time" |
| 01:01.47 | SirTopHat | also how can I make it so the line "/dev/hda1 /mnt/drv3_vol1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" opens the partition as writable? I tried changing ro to rw, no avail |
| 01:02.15 | jelly-home | SirTopHat: that IP address is banned from talking, look at the ban list in your irc client |
| 01:02.26 | SirTopHat | oh |
| 01:03.06 | SirTopHat | howto fix that line for read write? I installed ntfs-3g |
| 01:03.53 | SirTopHat | wait I think I got it |
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| 01:04.16 | SirTopHat | yesh |
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| 01:07.22 | enouf | SirTopHat: ask him to try #freenode or #debian-ops |
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| 01:11.24 | initq | thats a novelty |
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| 01:22.57 | jeeves | has anyone here figured out how to get the sound working on an Acer AspireOne D115? I can't (for the life of me) figure it out |
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| 01:23.42 | adb | jeeves: ubuntu ? |
| 01:24.13 | pz8 | ubuntu sucks :P |
| 01:24.17 | jeeves | adb, I see my OS preceeds me. the guys in that channel are more intrested in the ego boost to tell a user to google it. |
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| 01:25.01 | mercutio22 | hello there, I am considering to install debian on my PC - why are there 5 different debian iso images there? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 01:25.46 | jeeves | adb, it's a Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G card |
| 01:25.46 | Javi-K | j bash |
| 01:25.46 | Javi-K | Hi |
| 01:25.46 | bob3 | hi all, can anyone here unban the user ccssnet |
| 01:26.13 | pz8 | because is a lot of information, all the pkg in 5dvds mercutio22 |
| 01:26.50 | bob3 | btw the last known good debian installer in my opinion was debian testing aug 1 2007 daily build |
| 01:27.06 | bob3 | all since that date i have found unstable and problematic |
| 01:27.08 | mercutio22 | pz8, so I need the 8 DVDs? |
| 01:27.13 | adb | !netinstall |
| 01:27.13 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 01:27.18 | mercutio22 | I mean 5 |
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| 01:27.21 | adb | mercutio22: ^^ |
| 01:27.28 | mercutio22 | adb, thanks |
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| 01:29.00 | bob3 | peters you here? |
| 01:29.10 | adb | bob3: which architecture? |
| 01:29.18 | bob3 | x86 |
| 01:29.33 | adb | bob3: bah |
| 01:29.58 | bob3 | i cant stand the new installers. and now that old cd is to old to use over apt |
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| 01:30.23 | bob3 | sad to say i left debian a while ago |
| 01:31.03 | bob3 | my normal nick on freenode is CcSsNET id like for PeterS to unban me |
| 01:31.10 | bob3 | since he is the one that never likes me |
| 01:31.27 | pz8 | mercutio22: i recomend you, use a minimal bootable CD http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/, because the 5 dvds can have packages unnecessary for you |
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| 01:31.57 | mercutio22 | pz8, thanks for the advice. I will do that |
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| 01:33.34 | bob3 | really does no one else have enourmous issues with the installer? |
| 01:34.16 | adb | bob3: no |
| 01:34.49 | bob3 | for example i just booted 501 on my laptop it loads initrd then halts |
| 01:35.34 | adb | laptop |
| 01:35.37 | adb | !laptop |
| 01:35.37 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 01:35.56 | bob3 | this is a cd boot issue |
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| 01:36.30 | bob3 | bawh ill go burn the dvd and see if thats any better then net install |
| 01:36.40 | bob3 | maybe a better media at the least |
| 01:38.38 | adb | !check iso image |
| 01:38.38 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum |
| 01:39.12 | adb | bah |
| 01:41.17 | mercutio22 | bob3 that happened to me once a long time ago when I tried as well |
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| 01:42.03 | adb | mercutio22: he's gone |
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| 01:53.41 | roe | I'm netbooting a debian lenny install and it is getting caught at "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror. This may be a problem with your network or with the mirror..." I have tried different mirrors with the same result, and since I am netbooting the network seems to be working, so I am at a loss |
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| 01:54.21 | enouf | roe: which mirrors? |
| 01:54.58 | enouf | roe: tried http://ftp.CC.debian.org ? where CC is your country code |
| 01:55.04 | roe | mit and kernel.org |
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| 01:55.59 | roe | same error from us.debian.org |
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| 01:56.57 | enouf | ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free should work ;-) |
| 01:57.17 | enouf | !netboot |
| 01:57.17 | dpkg | hmm... netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 01:57.43 | roe | and with a limited shell (busybox) I don't have standard TSing avenues available to me |
| 01:57.46 | enouf | maybe your tftp/pxe config file is bad? are you using preseed? |
| 01:58.50 | heroxbd | hello, something OT: I want to find an open DNS server to be our DNS server's parent. Where can I find one? I searched the web, but all open DNS servers I found resolves ip address can't be reached by me. |
| 01:58.59 | roe | no, tftpd-hpa |
| 01:59.08 | roe | it has worked in the past |
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| 01:59.41 | roe | do you know where I can get a new lenny netboot image? |
| 01:59.45 | heroxbd | I post this OT because the firewall of China is DNS hijacking google.com, and all the google services are affected. |
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| 02:02.07 | enouf | you sure you didn't accidentally end up at *goole.com* O_O like i did not long ago |
| 02:02.10 | John_Q | who talk spanish?? |
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| 02:02.28 | enouf | spanish people, for one |
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| 02:02.40 | eshaase | why does openssh-server require x11 libraries? |
| 02:02.44 | enouf | !es |
| 02:02.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:02.52 | faffi | eshaase: LOL are you serious |
| 02:03.01 | John_Q | thanks! |
| 02:03.04 | enouf | eshaase: libraries? or a certain pkg? |
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| 02:03.39 | enouf | eshaase: are you unintentionally installing Recommends? |
| 02:04.52 | eshaase | enouf: libraries, x11-common and xauth |
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| 02:05.06 | eshaase | enouf: i'm just doing a sudo apt-get install openssh-server |
| 02:05.21 | eshaase | enouf: how do i prevent Recommends from installing? |
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| 02:05.24 | enouf | xauth is a depends IIRC, but not x11-common |
| 02:05.58 | enouf | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 02:06.06 | enouf | eshaase: ^^^^ |
| 02:06.08 | eshaase | yeah, xauth is a Recommends |
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| 02:06.38 | enouf | or use aptitude why openssh-server xauth ? |
| 02:06.59 | enouf | aptitude -R ... IIRC, as well |
| 02:07.07 | heroxbd | enouf: No. Seriously, all guys around here is f**ked by the Chinese firewall. |
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| 02:07.23 | enouf | there's only one? |
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| 02:07.46 | enouf | shouldn't that be "The Great fireWall of China" ? |
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| 02:08.24 | heroxbd | enouf: yes. But those words maybe keyword-sensitive. |
| 02:08.40 | enouf | i see ... i should hide now then? |
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| 02:09.35 | heroxbd | enouf: I've no idea of that. But I tried opendns.com and some other "free DNS service". The IP returned does not work. |
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| 02:11.05 | heroxbd | enouf: Do you know who runs 4.2.2.4? This ip looks quite special. |
| 02:11.09 | enouf | heroxbd: are you saying you're in China? and you can't get to google.com? |
| 02:11.23 | enouf | heroxbd: those are root servers? |
| 02:11.44 | heroxbd | enouf: Correct. So I am look for a normal DNS server to point to. |
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| 02:11.53 | enouf | ##networking and en.wikipedia.org would know more |
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| 02:12.20 | heroxbd | enouf: Let me have a look there. |
| 02:12.30 | enouf | $ whois 4.2.2.4 |
| 02:12.33 | eshaase | enouf: worked, thanks! |
| 02:12.48 | enouf | OrgAbuseEmail: security@level3.com |
| 02:13.06 | enouf | eshaase: ;-) |
| 02:13.58 | roe_ | enouf, huh - you were right |
| 02:14.01 | enouf | heroxbd: see my last comments |
| 02:14.08 | enouf | roe_: about? :-) |
| 02:14.15 | roe_ | I downloaded the newest lenny netoot image now everything is dandy |
| 02:14.28 | enouf | ahh .. w00t |
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| 02:16.21 | roe_ | it is odd, I guess lenny installer has changed enough since just before going stable and now that it was causing problems |
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| 02:42.23 | dhendrix | does anyone have a pair of kernel-img.conf and kernel-pkg.conf files set up for kernel packages with completely non-interactive setup (using make-kpkg)? |
| 02:43.09 | dhendrix | I've combed thru the options and I _thought_ that my package would turn out non-interactive, but I still get nag prompts for things like installing an initrd kernel, updating the bootloader, etc... |
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| 02:46.31 | adb | !make-kpkg |
| 02:46.31 | dpkg | it has been said that make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 02:47.50 | adb | dpkg: tell dhendrix about selftell |
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| 02:48.50 | dhendrix | adb: selftell? |
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| 02:50.25 | adb | read dpkg message |
| 02:50.34 | dhendrix | hmmm, interesting bot, but it really didn't help me at all. |
| 02:51.18 | dhendrix | I'm asking a rather pointed question about make-kpkg. Clearly I don't need some stupid canned one-liner telling me what make-kpkg is. |
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| 02:54.14 | enouf | dhendrix: depends now, which version of kernel-package? which release of Debian? |
| 02:54.44 | adb | !kernel-package |
| 02:54.44 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 02:55.04 | jan247 | hi guys, sorry.. i think been disconnected. how would i install the package gnome-desktop-environment without installing ekiga? ekiga seems to have problems |
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| 02:55.23 | enouf | dhendrix: do you have any /etc/kernel* dirs? |
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| 02:55.43 | enouf | dhendrix: not files, but dir/ |
| 02:56.15 | dhendrix | enouf: Yes. I have an /etc/kernel directory, and within it I only have /etc/kernel/prerm.d/last-good-boot. |
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| 02:56.17 | enouf | jan247: is ekiga listed in the g-d-e meta-package? |
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| 02:57.04 | enouf | dhendrix: you should have much more - see http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt |
| 02:57.24 | enouf | judd: versions kernel-package |
| 02:57.25 | judd | enouf: kernel-package -- etch: 10.067 sid: 11.012 lenny: 11.015 sid: 11.017 sid: 12.014 squeeze: 12.014 |
| 02:57.25 | dhendrix | enouf: to answer your earlier question, i'm using kernel-package version 11.015, and a newly debootstrapp'd ubuntu karmic distro. |
| 02:57.40 | enouf | 12.xxx should be |
| 02:58.01 | enouf | hrm .. well - check out that readme |
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| 02:58.28 | enouf | search for /etc/kernel |
| 02:58.45 | dhendrix | enouf: Yes, I am reading it right now. It will take me a few minutes to get thru it. Thank you very much! |
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| 02:59.48 | craigevil | jan247: install gnome-core and the other packages you want, or just install g-d-e then remove ekiga |
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| 03:03.59 | dhendrix | enouf: ahhhhhhh i found a part in here that looked familiar. Turns out I already went thru it (and even highlighted some interesting parts :-)) |
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| 03:05.41 | enouf | fantabulous ;-0 |
| 03:05.48 | qiyong | what's the differences b/w syslog and messages from /var/log ? |
| 03:05.58 | enouf | b/w? |
| 03:06.05 | jerrygarcia | between? |
| 03:07.20 | enouf | subtle ones, i think /messages is live, kernel buffer, what you see when you run 'dmesg' - the syslog can be emailed (copies of it, etc) and can be wait to be written to? |
| 03:07.29 | \amethyst | qiyong: depends on your syslog configuration |
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| 03:07.59 | enouf | check out /etc/syslog.conf and note; rsyslog is now used on debian? |
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| 03:08.41 | \amethyst | qiyong: with the default config, /var/log/messages gets messages of level info, notice, or warn, except for facilities auth, authpriv, cron, daemon, mail, and news |
| 03:08.46 | enouf | $ man syslog.conf |
| 03:09.23 | \amethyst | qiyong: whereas everything except for facilities auth and authpriv goes to /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:10.28 | Supertanker | Hi, I'm running Debian Lenny 5. When I was using Ubuntu 8.10, I could use pwmconfig/fancontrol to tweak my CPU/rear case fan speed ( In both cases, turning them *up*). However, lm_sensors in Debian is not showing any fan speed indicators and so I can't use these programs. Is this because of an odd version of lm_sensors or something? |
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| 03:12.13 | jan247 | hi.. sorry for the repeat.. how would i install the package gnome-desktop-environment without installing ekiga? ekiga seems to have problems |
| 03:14.22 | qiyong | \amethyst: syslog configuration controls both two? |
| 03:14.52 | \amethyst | qiyong: yes |
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| 03:15.17 | \amethyst | qiyong: as well as many of the other files in /var/log (the ones that aren't specific to a single program) |
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| 03:17.09 | enouf | Supertanker: hrm ... perhaps missing some i2c support? |
| 03:17.25 | enouf | judd: info i2c-tools |
| 03:17.26 | judd | enouf: i2c-tools (utils): is extra; Version: 3.0.1-1; Size: 47.8k; Installed: 164k -- heterogeneous set of I2C tools for Linux |
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| 03:17.40 | enouf | judd: version i2c-tools |
| 03:17.40 | judd | enouf: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 03:17.45 | enouf | judd: versions i2c-tools |
| 03:17.45 | judd | enouf: i2c-tools -- lenny: 3.0.1-1 sid: 3.0.2-1 squeeze: 3.0.2-1 |
| 03:18.13 | Supertanker | enouf, I'll take a look at that, thanks |
| 03:18.15 | enouf | oh, it is in Lenny - cool - not sure it's what you need though... |
| 03:19.08 | Supertanker | I'll see in just a moment |
| 03:19.44 | enouf | Supertanker: i just know from writing the !myram factoid, when i investigated, i2c-tools became a subset of the lm_sensors pkg |
| 03:20.17 | Supertanker | Hmmm, I've installed it but I don't know what it does |
| 03:20.28 | qiyong | \amethyst: auth and authpriv are considered critical infomation? |
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| 03:20.57 | Supertanker | It doesn't look like it did anything though |
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| 03:21.20 | enouf | Supertanker: dpkg -L i2c-tools |
| 03:21.38 | enouf | !myram |
| 03:21.38 | dpkg | somebody said myram was install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 03:21.43 | enouf | uses the i2c-tools: /usr/bin/decode-dimms part |
| 03:22.09 | enouf | but as you can see, there are quite a few other tools |
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| 03:23.29 | rafuch0 | halo on linux is fun |
| 03:23.30 | rafuch0 | >D |
| 03:23.45 | rafuch0 | maybe halo 2 cut be installed on linux too |
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| 03:27.13 | shane2peru | how stable would the testing branch of debian be considered? |
| 03:27.15 | enouf | er |
| 03:27.16 | enouf | WARNING This program can confuse your I2C bus, cause data loss and worse! |
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| 03:27.23 | enouf | ouch ... and yikes |
| 03:28.22 | shane2peru | I was looking at the unstable (sid), but it looks to unstable, but then I was looking at Lenny, and it looks too, hmm, outdated? |
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| 03:28.59 | shane2peru | so I want to know how "often" testing breaks, and what breaks, just some packages? |
| 03:29.01 | ralphy | Shane2peru: My experience is that testing is reasonably stable, except when a new debian release comes out. That tends to break packages for a few weeks, then it settles down. |
| 03:29.05 | dhendrix | Supertanker: did you echo pwm values straight into the sysfs files? |
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| 03:29.38 | shane2peru | ralphy: ok, I could see that happening |
| 03:29.58 | ralphy | good enough for a desktop, if you're willing to accept that some stuff is just not going to work for a bit. |
| 03:30.10 | dhendrix | Supertanker: i've had situations where things like path to the sysfs files for sensor devices shifts around. Any userspace tool you were used to earlier on may be broken due to paths shifting around. |
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| 03:30.24 | shane2peru | ralphy: well, that is a problem with any desktop |
| 03:30.37 | shane2peru | ralphy: the difference is that at least in Linux it gets worked on. :) |
| 03:30.56 | Supertanker | dhendrix, haven't tried that yet |
| 03:31.08 | dhendrix | Supertanker: Try something like "find /sys -iname '*pwm*'" and to see if the pwm files show up anywhere in your sysfs hierarchy. |
| 03:31.13 | ralphy | chromium was broken in testing for a few months due to a non-free music issue. |
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| 03:31.29 | enouf | sure - many ACPI things got moved out of /proc over into /sys/ |
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| 03:31.51 | shane2peru | ralphy: but no system breakages right? |
| 03:31.59 | dhendrix | If so, then try reading the values (e.g. cat /sys/path/to/device/pwm1) and modifying them (echo 255 > /sys/path/to/device/pwm1) |
| 03:32.10 | shane2peru | ralphy: like majore kernel issues, not booting, etc..? |
| 03:32.18 | Supertanker | dhendrix, nothing |
| 03:32.33 | ralphy | the worst I've ever seen is KDE getting unstable for a bit, this last update... I moved to fvwm. |
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| 03:32.54 | ralphy | at the system level, no serious problems. |
| 03:32.54 | dhendrix | ooOOO... that does tell us something. Did you change kernel recently? Maybe the i2c modules for your sensor chip aren't being loaded anymore. |
| 03:33.08 | Supertanker | No |
| 03:33.10 | shane2peru | ok, thanks for the info ralphy, I can handle that kind of stuff, you see that running bleeding edge stuff |
| 03:33.12 | craigevil | shane2peru: even unstable doesnt break as long as you watch what gets installed/removed and keep an eye on apt-listbugs |
| 03:33.18 | Supertanker | Well, dhendrix, if you count going from Ubuntu 8.10 to Debian 5...:P |
| 03:33.24 | Supertanker | That's a pretty big kernel change |
| 03:33.32 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/drivers/acpi/Kconfig#L49 for example, however no fan/thermal things shown there - it's somewhere in the /Documentation/ though IIRC |
| 03:33.33 | Supertanker | My kernel is 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 03:33.36 | shane2peru | craigevil: yeah, but that sounds like too much monitoring for me. :) |
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| 03:33.55 | Supertanker | Oh dear |
| 03:33.58 | Supertanker | My kernel looks outdated |
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| 03:34.15 | ralphy | I handle it by just being flexible with my user-level stuff, and not using testing for anything absolutely critical. |
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| 03:34.32 | shane2peru | I'm thinking I may run testing, I can't go to Gnome 2.24 when I'm using 2.26 now, and same thing for evolution mail, I can't even transfer my mail stuff |
| 03:35.14 | shane2peru | desktop usage |
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| 03:36.02 | dhendrix | Supertanker: Do you know off hand which i2c modules you need to load? |
| 03:36.27 | shane2peru | how about this, can I install Lenny then use the testing repo to upgrade Gnome stuff, and then stick to lenny repos? |
| 03:36.51 | shane2peru | I guess that would be a problem for any security patchs that come down the pike though. |
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| 03:37.52 | ralphy | Now you're getting beyond what I've tried. I have 'testing' in my apt.sources, and just follow that. I haven't tried to override what's in testing. |
| 03:37.58 | Supertanker | dhendrix, eh, let me look |
| 03:38.20 | shane2peru | ralphy: yeah, I figured that would probably be a risky thing to do. |
| 03:38.31 | dhendrix | Supertanker: if not, then Superiotool (http://www.coreboot.org/Superiotool) might help. I think there is also a utility provided by lm-sensors that probes for various sensor chips that might be a little better than superiotool for this purpose. |
| 03:38.32 | shane2peru | probably be safer just to stick with testing |
| 03:38.49 | ralphy | I think it's possible, just a matter of how much tinkering you're willing to do. |
| 03:39.13 | Supertanker | Shit, dhendrix, it just started working |
| 03:39.17 | Supertanker | I guess I hadn't modprobed it |
| 03:39.20 | Supertanker | Thanks :D |
| 03:39.20 | dhendrix | enouf: hmmmm, I'm still stuck on this make-kpkg thing. Do you know off hand what script(s) generate the stuff in /etc/kernel? I thought make-kpkg was supposed to do all that for me. |
| 03:39.26 | Supertanker | Oh, sorry about language |
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| 03:40.01 | shane2peru | well, if testing isn't that bad, I should probably just stick to it. |
| 03:40.49 | sc000 | Evening everyone. I'm having a hell of a time getting lenny installed on an encrypted LVM setup. Could anyone help me do an idiot check? |
| 03:41.02 | shane2peru | ralphy: I just get the Lenny discs install and change repos to testing? |
| 03:41.05 | ralphy | well, if you need to have specific versions of some packages, you may want to do some research into how to hold back certain packages. |
| 03:41.35 | ralphy | I use the 'netinstall', but otherwise, yes. |
| 03:41.40 | shane2peru | ralphy: I know that some packages can be locked, I have done that before, |
| 03:41.43 | qiyong | what is it in /var/log/messages? -- MARK -- |
| 03:42.11 | shane2peru | ralphy: that is what I was just thinking, netinstall would be more practicle, if I have do download everything anyway. |
| 03:42.24 | shane2peru | netinstall is just too slow for me. |
| 03:42.38 | ralphy | qiyong: just a heartbeat. If no messages go to message for 20mins or so, it puts '--MARK--' |
| 03:42.59 | Jids | i'm triple-booting xp, win7, and Debian, but i get "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7\nsavedefault\n\nError 29: Disk write error" when i try to go to the windows loader from grub... how do i fix this? |
| 03:43.16 | enouf | well .. i was going to suggest check lsmod and maybe modprobe - oh well |
| 03:43.50 | enouf | dhendrix: AFAICT, you have to manually add them ... |
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| 03:44.23 | dhendrix | enouf: Ouch :-( Okay, I'll play with that some more. Thanks again. |
| 03:44.47 | enouf | dhendrix: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/blog/manoj/blog/2009/04/07/Not_your_father__39__s_kernel-package/ |
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| 03:45.31 | qiyong | ralphy: who needs it? |
| 03:45.34 | dhendrix | enouf: ooooOO this looks interesting. |
| 03:45.35 | enouf | "The postinst no longer manipulates symlinks This is a shift from previous behaviour. Any symbolic link manipulation must now be done with hook scripts in /etc/kernel/*.d directories." |
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| 03:46.24 | dhendrix | ooooooh! Yeah, that would explain at least one of the nag prompts (and makes some existing kernel-img.conf options useless). |
| 03:47.07 | shane2peru | ok, thanks for the info ralphy |
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| 03:48.26 | jeev | hey guys, if there a server, Linux/Linux swap partitions, could i mdadm raid 1 it? |
| 03:49.17 | qiyong | ralphy: what is the heart beat for? |
| 03:50.19 | simNIX | qiyong, hartbeat checks if a box is up - ifnot it can do for instance take over lost ip |
| 03:50.51 | pine | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.51 | pine | h |
| 03:50.58 | simNIX | jeev, sap can be on raid |
| 03:51.11 | simNIX | but with current prices of ram .. |
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| 03:51.35 | jeev | sap ? |
| 03:51.49 | simNIX | ... if you ned a lot of 'performing' swap IMHO you then need ram .. |
| 03:51.53 | simNIX | typo |
| 03:52.01 | simNIX | s/sap/swap |
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| 03:53.25 | ralphy | qiyong: my understanding is that the idea is, there can be a significant period of period of time between /var/log/messages entries, and if the machine locks up in the middle of of one of those periods, the '--MARK--' message gives you an idea when it actually locked up. |
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| 03:55.01 | qiyong | ralphy: it's useful when messsages is logged remotedly, is it? |
| 03:55.11 | ralphy | something like that. |
| 03:55.24 | qiyong | ralphy: or check the log after a hard reset |
| 03:55.55 | ralphy | freaked out my buddy, after he gave me a login on his machine. (My real name is Mark). |
| 03:57.09 | enouf | !wayttd jeev |
| 03:57.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jeev? |
| 03:57.16 | enouf | and what for? |
| 03:57.18 | qiyong | ralphy: lol |
| 03:57.21 | qiyong | bbl |
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| 03:57.57 | enouf | swap will do it's own raid-style round-robin usage if you use more than one swap |
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| 03:58.13 | enouf | so leave swap out of any raid config you are thinking about |
| 03:58.23 | jeev | no, im not worried about that |
| 03:58.41 | jeev | the one time i've done mdadm raid, i've had to to label the partitions with linux raid autodetect or whatever |
| 03:58.59 | enouf | jeev: does the server have more than 1 HDD? |
| 03:59.06 | jeev | /dev/sda1 1 182401 1465136001 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 03:59.06 | zu22 | it seems my /dev/null is messed up if i try to echo to it i get error: "bash: /dev/null: No such device or address", here is ls on it: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 3, 2 2009-06-24 12:31 /dev/null, can someone plz tell me the correct mknod options to fix it? i am running Debian squeeze |
| 03:59.07 | jeev | yea |
| 03:59.38 | enouf | so you have a raid setup on it already then? or is that from something else? |
| 03:59.45 | jeev | no, that was another system |
| 03:59.58 | jeev | im saying, am i able to mdadm raid level 1 a non raid autodetect partition ? |
| 04:00.05 | zu22 | anyone? |
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| 04:00.42 | ralphy | zu22: I got nothing. |
| 04:00.43 | enouf | jeev: so /usr/share/doc/mdadm docs can show you how to add/create a raid1 from nothing - however |
| 04:01.06 | jeev | all i want to know is if it's OK to do it without labeling raid autodetect |
| 04:01.19 | enouf | IIRC, you do NOT want to attempt that with no fallbacks/failsafes. and if / FS is on the one and only disk being used |
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| 04:01.38 | jeev | eya, i know |
| 04:01.39 | jeev | yea, i know |
| 04:02.19 | enouf | see man mdadm{.conf} - IIRC. /etc/default/mdadm is what you want to read/see |
| 04:02.35 | jeev | i think it's too late. |
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| 04:02.50 | jeev | the support people where the server is at suck, i'l just suggest my friend keep a daily backup inthe second drive. |
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| 04:04.07 | jeev | thanks |
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| 04:08.13 | bmoll8 | i am looking for a good tutorial on debian, besies the wiki and official documentation. I am looking for something a bit more advanced, a la like the freebsd handbook |
| 04:08.46 | bmoll8 | a book or webpage that explains all the functions of files in /etc, for example--how runlevels work, and so on |
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| 04:09.08 | ralphy | debian sysadmin guide? |
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| 04:09.19 | ralphy | that's my best recollection of the title.... |
| 04:09.37 | enouf | !books |
| 04:09.38 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
| 04:09.53 | enouf | !runlevels |
| 04:09.53 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
| 04:10.02 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 04:10.02 | dpkg | somebody said rcconf was a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
| 04:10.44 | hattst | hi - small question, I've a hunch that the sound is a little repressed on this new debian install.. (I mean, having volume be loud on speakers and in volume control I don't think is giving all that I could) - what should I be looking into? |
| 04:10.57 | enouf | read /etc/inittab as well, man init, man inittab |
| 04:11.06 | ralphy | hattst: alsamixer |
| 04:11.18 | bmoll8 | enouf: i already looked at all the books on the debian website; not comprehensive enough |
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| 04:12.28 | bmoll8 | enouf: i will look some more |
| 04:12.38 | newbieNC | maybe the linux command reference. I got that pdf from linux.org |
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| 04:12.58 | ralphy | or look around http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
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| 04:13.09 | bmoll8 | a great book would be preferable; like Absolute Freebsd, which rocks and is a standard |
| 04:13.30 | bmoll8 | i'm sure there is one; debian is too solid a system |
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| 04:14.07 | bmoll8 | also, I am interested in reading more about ubuntu and its relationship with debian...not some junk written on online forums, but an intelligent analysis |
| 04:14.32 | bmoll8 | I don't know much about the relationship the two have; all you'er able to find by googling is fanboys shouting at each other |
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| 04:16.08 | nooper | do you guys with long uptimes run fsck at regular intervals? |
| 04:16.20 | nooper | or, how often is a good practice? |
| 04:16.23 | K-Zodron|| | hey, I'm trying to install debian via netinstall from an usb drive, but the network configuration only offers me the wlan option, which doesn't detect my home wlan however I try - how can I make it use the regular lan via cable instead? |
| 04:16.28 | ralphy | All I know is that every time I've tried to run Ubuntu, it's irritated me in some way that I can never remember afterwards. |
| 04:17.40 | ralphy | my longest uptime was something like 90days. I average closer to 30... |
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| 04:18.21 | craigevil | bmoll8: you might try The Debian system By Martin F. Krafft |
| 04:19.00 | bmoll8 | ah, the cover looks just like the Absolute FreeBSD book cover...both seem to be published by the same company |
| 04:19.23 | luke3321 | hey guys, I have apt set to pin testing at 900 and unstable at 850, but when I start aptitude, it still wants to upgrade to the unstable version. any help? |
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| 04:20.44 | craigevil | bmoll8: http://www.freebooklinks.com/Operating-Systems/Linux/Ubuntu/ has a ton of books on ubuntu |
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| 04:22.39 | luke3321 | Any help with my apt pinning problem? |
| 04:23.13 | ralphy | I've never tried to mess around with following more than one debian release at a time, so I got nothing. |
| 04:23.44 | luke3321 | ralphy: Yeah, my first time too |
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| 04:24.36 | enouf | luke3321: pastebin output of $ rgrep -i default /etc/apt/ and "apt-cache policy" |
| 04:25.17 | enouf | man apt_preferences and /msg dpkg pinning |
| 04:26.35 | luke3321 | enouf: Ha, that last command did it for me |
| 04:26.39 | luke3321 | I see the problem |
| 04:26.44 | luke3321 | Thanks! |
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| 04:32.30 | eshaase | i can't seem to ssh into my debian server using my ssh keys even though my public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on my debian server, what gives? |
| 04:32.43 | eshaase | how would i debug this? |
| 04:32.53 | ralphy | what's the error message? |
| 04:33.20 | rexwin | ssh -vv ,eshaase |
| 04:33.20 | eshaase | ralphy: i just get the password prompt as if i don't have keys setup |
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| 04:33.47 | greenmang0 | eshaase: were you able to do it previously ? or you just created keys? |
| 04:34.02 | ralphy | ok, I'm out. I've have gotten passwordless login working, but I can't say I understand it. |
| 04:34.08 | eshaase | greenmang0: i was able to do it previously |
| 04:34.12 | eshaase | just re-installed a system |
| 04:34.44 | eshaase | ssh -v shows that it tries to use ~/.ssh/id_dsa but not my ~/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 04:34.44 | ralphy | doesn't the install process generate a new key? |
| 04:35.08 | eshaase | ralphy: well, the system i re-install is the system i'm trying to ssh into |
| 04:35.20 | eshaase | so i'm using the same keys |
| 04:35.35 | ralphy | still, there's a new key on the new install, right? |
| 04:35.51 | eshaase | ralphy: not sure i'm following you |
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| 04:36.07 | ralphy | not sure I'm following me either. :) |
| 04:36.14 | eshaase | i want it to use my keys in ~/.ssh |
| 04:36.27 | eshaase | those aren't generated during an install |
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| 04:37.13 | ralphy | but doesn't each target system require a key in the source system's ~/.ssh/ ? |
| 04:38.34 | \amethyst | eshaase: what are the permissions on your ~/.ssh/id_rsa ? |
| 04:39.05 | eshaase | 600 |
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| 04:39.41 | eshaase | ralphy: yeah, i have the same ~/.ssh on both systems, contains my id_rsa (private), id_rsa.pub (public) and authorized_keys (public) |
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| 04:40.21 | ralphy | ok well, I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll shut up now. |
| 04:43.18 | eshaase | just need to decipher this verbose output... |
| 04:43.36 | eshaase | whats the website used to post pasted text? |
| 04:44.08 | \amethyst | !pastebin |
| 04:44.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 04:46.00 | IamSOG | apt-get food |
| 04:46.54 | rexwin | hi, i want a internal LAN ip to be blocked from sshing to main server what would be the iptable rule? |
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| 04:48.01 | rexwin | nm, i found it |
| 04:52.48 | micols | BUS=="usb", KERNEL=="sd?1", ATTRS{serial}=="6426ab977460fb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0163", NAME:="crypt_drive" how do i fix it so i dont have the /dev/sdk also? |
| 04:53.16 | micols | i want it renamed, not copied, this rule creeates another device node instead of renaming the original |
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| 04:59.59 | rexwin | postfix and qmail perform the same basic function. am i right? |
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| 05:12.15 | billcollector | Hey, sGun, hi! |
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| 05:12.58 | billcollector | Hey, julm, hi! |
| 05:13.32 | julm | hi _o/ |
| 05:13.33 | billcollector | Hello, I'm Mel from NCO Financial. Is this David? |
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| 05:13.57 | billcollector | Hey, DimmuR, hi! |
| 05:14.36 | DimmuR | hi billcollector |
| 05:14.36 | billcollector | You owe my client Frontier Energy $637 dollars. Can we set up a payment today? |
| 05:14.44 | avu | !ops billcollector trolling/spamming |
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| 05:14.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: avu complains about: billcollector trolling/spamming |
| 05:14.44 | billcollector | Okay. The payment total will be $637. How will we be paying today? |
| 05:14.45 | billcollector | Hey, a2, hi! |
| 05:14.46 | billcollector | Did you say you want to pay with a credit card? |
| 05:14.58 | MadMoney | !die |
| 05:14.58 | dpkg | I'll murder you madmoney! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
| 05:14.59 | billcollector | You owe my client Frontier Energy $637 dollars. Can we set up a payment today? |
| 05:15.25 | MadMoney | Haha, dpkg scared him off. |
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| 05:32.58 | AJKhan | lol |
| 05:33.11 | Patric3 | I assume that the first DVD "debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso" is enough to get a basic system up and running ? |
| 05:33.19 | AJKhan | Patric3, yes |
| 05:33.23 | Patric3 | (Hopefully the first CD would be enough...) |
| 05:33.26 | AJKhan | Patric3, do you really need to download the dvd? |
| 05:33.30 | AJKhan | !netboot |
| 05:33.31 | dpkg | somebody said netboot was a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 05:33.34 | AJKhan | !netinst |
| 05:33.34 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 05:33.56 | Patric3 | Hmmmm... I've got fast but volume limited broadband |
| 05:34.04 | AJKhan | go with a cd 1 |
| 05:34.11 | Patric3 | OK - Thanks |
| 05:34.13 | AJKhan | beware it comes with gnome |
| 05:34.26 | AJKhan | Patric3, there are xfce cd1, and kde cd1, and lxde cd1 afaik |
| 05:35.09 | Patric3 | Thanks - I don't need X11 at all |
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| 05:38.29 | MadMoney | I have a lot more bugs to fix in the bill collection bot (written in C). :( |
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| 05:38.41 | starke | !mount ntfs invalid parameter |
| 05:38.53 | starke | !ntfs |
| 05:38.53 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
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| 05:45.56 | AJKhan | !dpkgbot |
| 05:45.56 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 05:54.00 | oh_noes | Is it possible to list all the versions available for a package in a repository (for my arch)? |
| 05:54.13 | gameman74 | is there a quick and easy way to disable power saving settings and cpu throttling? |
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| 06:00.05 | enouf | oh_noes: apt-show-versions perhaps? |
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| 06:00.52 | enouf | cpufreq-<tab><tab> gameman74 |
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| 06:01.55 | enouf | but depending, you can echo <some-value> /sys/some/where |
| 06:02.40 | oh_noes | ta |
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| 06:06.03 | gameman74 | enouf: you cant just remove the modules from the kernel can you |
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| 06:06.57 | enouf | gameman74: maybe you want 'cpufrequtils' pkg, if you install it, 'dpkg -L cpufrequtils' then read - but, i'm not sure if $ apt-cache show laptop-mode-tools pkg would take of both those things you desire |
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| 06:07.22 | craigevil | power saving is usually done by the desktop like kde=kpowersave gnome=gnome-power-managment, and throttling is not on unless you do what enouf just said |
| 06:07.27 | enouf | gameman74: it's your kernel, do as you wish :-p |
| 06:07.46 | gameman74 | enouf: well yeah :P |
| 06:08.06 | gameman74 | the problem im running into is that it looks like the cpu speed is stepping down, which isnt what i want |
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| 06:08.45 | enouf | gameman74: you can certainly 'modprobe [-r] modulename' (i.e; insert and remove modules as needed) without harm to your system though |
| 06:09.08 | enouf | however, that isn't the best choice most times |
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| 06:10.28 | craigevil | gameman74: take a look at http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html |
| 06:11.43 | gameman74 | no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU but /proc/cpuinfo shows the clock speed at 800mhz rather than 1600 |
| 06:11.58 | gameman74 | there isnt a bios setting that overrides the OS in any way, is there? |
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| 06:14.26 | enouf | gameman74: is that a dualcore CPU? you might want to get more specific about your CPU make/model/cores, and yes, amd has 'powernow!' (or 'OnNow') options and intel uses 'speedstep' or used to |
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| 06:15.09 | enouf | and which craptop *cough* laptop that is ;-) also /msg dpkg laptop |
| 06:15.18 | gameman73 | laptop, amd sempron 2800+, single core |
| 06:15.31 | gameman73 | enouf: craptop is pretty close, its a compaq |
| 06:15.44 | enouf | gameman73: cat /proc/version says? and cat /proc/cmdline says? |
| 06:16.00 | gameman73 | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu May 28 15:39:35 UTC 2009 |
| 06:16.04 | gameman73 | should be current testing |
| 06:16.14 | gameman73 | root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet |
| 06:16.24 | gameman73 | oh wait.. no thats stable |
| 06:16.28 | enouf | gameman73: that's a Lenny kernel, lenny == stable |
| 06:16.31 | enouf | yep |
| 06:16.38 | enouf | wait,... |
| 06:16.41 | gameman73 | sorry, too many pcs and vms |
| 06:16.47 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 06:17.11 | gameman73 | ? |
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| 06:19.22 | enouf | as well as what craigevil posted see; cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors here; http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/cpu.php but you should use that cpufrequtils pkg |
| 06:20.11 | enouf | you ain't checking your BIOS with any vms running |
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| 06:20.42 | enouf | go find your laptop user's manual and read it, or just boot into the BIOS and poke around |
| 06:20.52 | boopiedoo | hi, anyone know of a way to find the last package installed by apt? |
| 06:21.03 | starke | hey i know this is stupid but how do i know what version of debian i am running? |
| 06:21.11 | gameman73 | enouf: yeah ill have to poke around |
| 06:21.18 | enouf | boopiedoo: dpkg.log in /var/log/ |
| 06:21.22 | gameman73 | starke: cat /etc/version i think |
| 06:21.33 | gameman73 | or not |
| 06:21.33 | enouf | !version |
| 06:21.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 06:21.54 | boopiedoo | thanks enouf :) ^_^ |
| 06:21.57 | gameman73 | heh debian_version anyway |
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| 06:22.38 | starke | THANKS! |
| 06:22.55 | gameman73 | enouf: so let me make sure im clear on this, i need to get some sort of power management software in order to disable the power management? |
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| 06:24.04 | enouf | gameman73: unless you disable it's usage in the BIOS, or you compile your own kernel - i guess so |
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| 06:24.23 | enouf | gameman73: well, you could blacklist modules as well |
| 06:24.28 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | Checking for SAP/R3 (librfc/saprfc.h) ... |
| 06:24.30 | enouf | so .. no compile needed :-p |
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| 06:25.01 | gameman73 | enouf: ill poke around the bios. Probebly more likely a place to start looking as it used to be my primary laptop ages ago |
| 06:25.40 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | |
| 06:25.40 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | how do I install this package SAP/R3 (librfc / saprfc.h) |
| 06:25.54 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 |
| 06:26.03 | gameman73 | its on straight power now anyway, so squeezing every last bit of performance is more important to me than power saving |
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| 06:27.12 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | how do I install this package SAP/R3 (librfc/saprfc.h) ? |
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| 06:29.37 | enouf | apt-get install <packagename> if apt-cache show <packagename> works out |
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| 06:35.51 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | root]# apt-get install librfc |
| 06:35.56 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | E: Couldn't find package librfc |
| 06:35.58 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | enouf |
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| 06:43.13 | ewet | what do you think, would the performance impact of running both a raid 0 ('/var') and raid 5 ('/') on the same 3 disks be too big for an office desktop computer? |
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| 06:44.39 | enouf | Al3x4ndr3_G0: what makes you think librfc is a legitimate package name? |
| 06:44.54 | qiyong | how to add a user for a cvs repos? |
| 06:45.01 | simonrvn | Al3x4ndr3_G0: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:45.23 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | enouf http://paste.debian.net/40184/ |
| 06:45.41 | enouf | simonrvn: FWIW, i was curious and couldn't find anything quickly |
| 06:46.34 | crazypenguin | In lenny,if I want to let some services start with the system,like apache2,what's the general way to do ? |
| 06:46.43 | craigevil | apt-file search for librfc or saprfc.h shows nothing so it either has a different name or is an old package from etch or before |
| 06:46.54 | Iu | does debian not come with pdo sqlite3? |
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| 06:47.29 | buu | What is pdo sqlite3? |
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| 06:47.56 | Iu | the pdo extension php |
| 06:48.00 | Iu | in php* |
| 06:48.08 | enouf | Al3x4ndr3_G0: does 13. Get it from http://www.sap.com/solutions/netweaver/linux/eval/index.asp have a .deb already packaged? |
| 06:48.19 | Iu | there doesn't seem to be a package to enable sqlite3 in pdo |
| 06:48.21 | Iu | :/ |
| 06:48.24 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | not found |
| 06:48.28 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | pkg |
| 06:48.37 | enouf | crazypenguin: i use /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 06:49.07 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.57 | craigevil | enouf: i know how to use apt-file search i was explaining that it didn't find it |
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| 06:50.23 | enouf | craigevil: so was i :-) |
| 06:50.25 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | ]# apt-file search librfc |
| 06:50.26 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 06:51.03 | enouf | !tell Al3x4ndr3_G0 -about search |
| 06:51.09 | enouf | !tell Al3x4ndr3_G0 -about apt-file |
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| 06:53.47 | crazypenguin | enouf: sorry,i don't know how to do through your answer |
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| 06:56.13 | enouf | Al3x4ndr3_G0: $ apt-file search libssh.h (once you install and update apt-file) to overcome your next hurdle, once you figure out how to get your librfc/saprfc.h installed |
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| 06:56.43 | enouf | !tell crazypenguin -about rcconf |
| 06:56.45 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | ]# apt-file search libssh.h |
| 06:56.46 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 06:57.12 | enouf | crazypenguin: look in your other windows for a PM from <dpkg> |
| 06:57.32 | Spike_101 | Al3x4ndr3_G0: ve la o pasbin...que no br |
| 06:57.42 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | sim |
| 06:57.43 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | vi |
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| 06:59.45 | Spike_101 | Al3x4ndr3_G0: tipo tem que instalar antes os utilitarios e baixar as db sources |
| 07:00.11 | Spike_101 | isso fico de fora do past bim sorry |
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| 07:00.27 | crazypenguin | enouf: PM from <dpkg> ? |
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| 07:02.03 | Spike_101 | !tell Al3x4ndr3_G0 -about apt-cache |
| 07:02.46 | Spike_101 | !tell Al3x4ndr3_G0 -about auto-apt |
| 07:03.22 | enouf | crazypenguin: a PM == private message ; from <dpkg>, the channel bot |
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| 07:03.58 | enouf | crazypenguin: apt-get install rcconf (in your shell, as root, or sudo) |
| 07:05.30 | crazypenguin | enouf : i understand the meaning of you finally~~,thanks |
| 07:07.06 | Spike_101 | !tell Al3x4ndr3_G0 -about libssh |
| 07:07.18 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | nada |
| 07:07.18 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | :X |
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| 07:07.48 | Spike_101 | ...e pensei que ia ser mais facil |
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| 07:09.14 | Spike_101 | mas tipo pelo que vi no pastbin vc pode dwl a lig do site e ai e so instalar |
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| 07:10.23 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | nao veio nada |
| 07:10.23 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | spacepup |
| 07:10.23 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | spiff |
| 07:10.23 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | Spike_101 aqui |
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| 07:12.51 | Spike_101 | Al3x4ndr3_G0: desculpe nao entendi |
| 07:12.51 | McL0VIN | can i assign a command to lets say a key in my keyboard that i am not using? |
| 07:12.52 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.52 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | nao funfo |
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| 07:13.54 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | Spike_101 http://0xbadc0de.be/libssh/hydra-libssh0.2.patch |
| 07:13.57 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. When I tab-complete commands in zsh, I often get several lines saying the (shell namespace) symbol "_have_glob_qual" is missing. What gives? |
| 07:14.03 | Al3x4ndr3_G0 | Spike_101 como installa isso |
| 07:14.20 | jonaskoelker | or rather, "_path_files:33: command not found: _have_glob_qual" |
| 07:14.35 | simonrvn | !es |
| 07:14.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:25.46 | cuddlefish | Should I use "Plug and Play OS" in my BIOS? |
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| 07:27.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:28.24 | Polarina | What is that, anyway? |
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| 07:30.36 | McL0VIN | can i assign 'ls -ltr' to a keyboard key e.g the '*' in the keypad? |
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| 07:34.15 | ttl_work | hi |
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| 07:35.52 | ttl_work | i'm running testing and after an upgrade a few days ago now all window borders are hidden behind the top panel in gnome |
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| 07:36.58 | nameless` | hi |
| 07:37.09 | ttl_work | this is very annoying as i every time need to use the ALT key to move the window downwards... |
| 07:37.18 | nameless` | i would like to add some color in my kernel messages in /var/log/syslog |
| 07:37.37 | nameless` | but the terminal code \033[31m doesn't works with tail |
| 07:37.52 | nameless` | how can i print this file with some color ? |
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| 07:43.06 | crazypenguin | in gnome, we can use the system->system manage->services to configure , and I also want to know where it's configure file located? |
| 07:43.08 | mycelium | hello. how can i ask aptitude to reinstall ALL files in package? not only non-conffiles. |
| 07:43.22 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 07:43.23 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 07:44.10 | \amethyst | mycelium: you'll also want --force-confnew in the DPkg::Options |
| 07:44.37 | \amethyst | not just --force-confmiss |
| 07:44.59 | \amethyst | hm, does --force-confnew imply --force-confmiss ? |
| 07:45.24 | nameless` | how can i print the syslog file with some color ? |
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| 07:45.54 | enouf | nameless`: IIRC, a app called roottail? or something |
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| 07:46.49 | enouf | hrm; root-tail - Displays select log files in the X root window |
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| 07:49.00 | enouf | ttl_work: try a different WM? run update-alternatives --config x-window-manager to set new WM as default? |
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| 07:49.40 | ttl_work | enouf, ok i'll try that |
| 07:49.47 | \amethyst | nameless`: loco, lwatch, ccze, multitail seem to be relevant... I haven't tried any of them |
| 07:50.05 | ttl_work | enouf: thanks |
| 07:51.35 | nameless` | \amethyst, i'm actually writing my own script in perl :] |
| 07:51.40 | nameless` | \amethyst, and it works :] |
| 07:51.47 | mycelium | dpkg, \amethyst: thanks, it's work. |
| 07:51.47 | dpkg | i don't know, mycelium |
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| 07:52.28 | \amethyst | nameless`: piping into tail -f should not mess up the colors |
| 07:52.48 | nameless` | piping in what ? |
| 07:52.59 | \amethyst | nameless`: the output of your perl script |
| 07:53.18 | \amethyst | nameless`: you said "but the terminal code \033[31m doesn't works with tail" |
| 07:53.23 | nameless` | yes |
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| 07:53.46 | crazypenguin | enouf: thanks, i have known the rcconf . and now i want to know where is the configure file of (system->system management->services) ? |
| 07:53.50 | nameless` | tail -f /var/log/syslog seems to not interpret thje color code |
| 07:53.51 | \amethyst | nameless`: printf '\033[31mfoo\n' | tail works for me |
| 07:54.12 | \amethyst | nameless`: wait, you have color codes directly in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 07:54.32 | nameless` | \amethyst, yes, i add color code in my printk |
| 07:54.56 | nameless` | printk( "\033[31m some messages important \033[30m\n") ; |
| 07:54.58 | nameless` | for instance |
| 07:55.44 | nameless` | that's the problem :( |
| 07:56.18 | \amethyst | nameless`: and how does it end up in the log file? |
| 07:56.26 | nameless` | when i tail ? |
| 07:56.49 | \amethyst | nameless`: sure |
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| 07:56.59 | nameless` | for instance here is what i obtain when i tail it : ^[[31m important stuff ^[[30m |
| 07:57.30 | \amethyst | nameless`: and you're doing just tail /var/log/syslog not piping it into anything? |
| 07:57.34 | nameless` | tail -f |
| 07:57.35 | nameless` | yes |
| 07:57.50 | \amethyst | what terminal? |
| 07:57.57 | nameless` | gnome-terminal |
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| 07:58.05 | \amethyst | I cannot reproduce |
| 07:58.12 | nameless` | what do u mean , |
| 07:58.13 | nameless` | ? |
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| 07:58.34 | McL0VIN | amethyst: are you coming to * |
| 07:58.56 | \amethyst | I mean, I do logger $'\033[31mfoo\033[0m' then tail -f /var/log/syslog and I see 'foo' in red |
| 07:59.09 | nameless` | hum |
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| 08:00.32 | nameless` | \amethyst, not me |
| 08:00.48 | nameless` | \amethyst, ^[[31mfoo^[[30m |
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| 08:02.05 | \amethyst | then either your tail or your gnome-terminal is broken |
| 08:02.20 | \amethyst | or you managed to stick a literal ^ [ [ into the log file |
| 08:02.32 | \amethyst | but printk isn't that smart |
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| 08:02.54 | nameless` | but a echo -e '\033[31mfoo\033[30m' works well |
| 08:03.09 | \amethyst | what about the same echo | tail -f |
| 08:03.21 | nameless` | hum |
| 08:03.22 | nameless` | it works |
| 08:03.34 | \amethyst | so your log file doesn't really have an escape sequence |
| 08:03.40 | nameless` | printk probably |
| 08:03.51 | \amethyst | something, maybe your syslog daemon, turned it into a real caret + bracket |
| 08:04.32 | nameless` | so the only solution i have is to add a special charactere like ### and then make a script that recognize this charactere and print it with color |
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| 08:05.20 | \amethyst | that's probably better than putting color codes directly in the log anyway |
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| 08:06.10 | nameless` | :( |
| 08:06.14 | nameless` | not really |
| 08:06.20 | nameless` | it will force me to interpret the line |
| 08:06.29 | nameless` | while there is one per 2-millisecond |
| 08:06.40 | nameless` | so it will makes my program slower |
| 08:07.08 | \amethyst | have you benchmarked? |
| 08:07.14 | nameless` | nop :) |
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| 08:07.16 | \amethyst | your program is probably I/O bound anyway |
| 08:07.26 | \amethyst | not CPU-bound |
| 08:07.34 | nameless` | yeah you're true |
| 08:07.48 | nameless` | you find the right word |
| 08:07.55 | nameless` | found* |
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| 08:09.07 | \amethyst | until you do benchmarking and profiling, though, these are all just guesses |
| 08:09.14 | nameless` | yep |
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| 08:09.36 | sylar | hi |
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| 08:09.52 | sylar | I am trying to mount with NFS the /media dir |
| 08:10.25 | sylar | and I have there /media/disk which has my usbflashdisk, but onthe nfs mount I see no files in there |
| 08:10.34 | sylar | and on the real dir i see files |
| 08:10.42 | sylar | anyone knows? |
| 08:10.49 | valdyn | sylar: working as intended |
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| 08:11.55 | sylar | valdyn, k |
| 08:12.12 | sylar | valdyn, please explain |
| 08:12.59 | valdyn | sylar: mounts in subdirectories dont get exported when you export the parent directory |
| 08:13.16 | valdyn | sylar: that is working as intended by default, maybe theres a switch to change that |
| 08:15.12 | sylar | o |
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| 08:15.58 | valdyn | sylar: http://linux.die.net/man/5/exports, see the nohide option |
| 08:16.39 | NicoOOoOo | personne n'a une idée pour moi ??? :( (http://fr.enlightenment.org) |
| 08:16.59 | valdyn | !fr |
| 08:16.59 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:17.14 | NicoOOoOo | arf sorry |
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| 08:19.22 | varlon | hi, I'm using debian/sid, so, I have problem with mount of my iPod. In /etc/fstab add line for /dev/sdb2 (my iPod detected as sdb2) but when device pluged his not mount as descibed in fstab. this device mount for root only, 'user' is not using. where can I found solution for this problem? |
| 08:20.07 | varlon | and all usb devices, which pluged, mount for root (I can read, but can't write) |
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| 08:20.57 | varlon | every time I need to unmount this automatical mounted device and mount manualy with grand access for my user |
| 08:21.06 | varlon | I tired to do it |
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| 08:21.48 | enouf | crazypenguin: 'dpkg -L rcconf' in your shell/xterm/terminal/whatever ; man update-rcconf-guide ; run 'rcconf' as root (or sudo) |
| 08:22.39 | sylar | nohide didn't help |
| 08:22.41 | enouf | crazypenguin: for system administration, i use nothing but the shell, no GUIs allowed ;-) |
| 08:23.08 | crazypenguin | enouf : o , i see |
| 08:23.15 | enouf | (well, and ncurses, i suppose) |
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| 08:23.49 | \amethyst | varlon: what do you mean 'mount for root only' ? |
| 08:24.16 | \amethyst | varlon: you mean the files are owned by root and you want them to be owned by someone else? |
| 08:24.19 | varlon | \amethyst, only root can modify files |
| 08:24.25 | varlon | yes |
| 08:24.30 | enouf | !pmount |
| 08:24.31 | dpkg | pmount is, like, "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 08:24.41 | enouf | !hfs+ |
| 08:24.41 | dpkg | i heard hfsplus is the hfs+ kernel filesystem driver for modern mac filesystems. eg, "mount -t hfsplus ...". <parted> supports the resizing (shrink only) of HFS/HFS+ filesystems, provided that the start of the partition stays fixed. |
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| 08:25.23 | \amethyst | varlon: you can add the mount option umask=000 to make everything read/write/execute by everybody |
| 08:25.47 | \amethyst | varlon: or you can use the uid option to change who owns it |
| 08:25.49 | varlon | \amethyst, I know it and I do it manualy every time |
| 08:25.51 | enouf | varlon: file -s /dev/sda2 says? |
| 08:26.00 | \amethyst | varlon: so put those options in fstab |
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| 08:26.39 | enouf | varlon: sorry ; "file -s /dev/sdb2" says? |
| 08:26.43 | \amethyst | if it's an ipod it's FAT |
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| 08:26.50 | enouf | yikes! |
| 08:26.51 | \amethyst | or did they change that? |
| 08:26.55 | varlon | \amethyst, in fstab have line: /dev/sdb2/media/ALONAvfatrw,user,noauto00 |
| 08:26.55 | cantido | or HFS |
| 08:26.57 | enouf | nfc |
| 08:27.02 | enouf | heh |
| 08:27.05 | varlon | but this every time mounted automatical |
| 08:27.13 | \amethyst | varlon: I don't see the umask or uid options there |
| 08:27.30 | varlon | user,noauto |
| 08:27.37 | \amethyst | okay... |
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| 08:27.44 | \amethyst | is either of those "umask" or "uid"? |
| 08:27.45 | \amethyst | no |
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| 08:27.54 | enouf | varlon: change your mount point to /mnt/point , mkdir if needed ; chown /mnt/point user:group ; /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 08:27.57 | \amethyst | "user" just means that users can mount it |
| 08:28.08 | \amethyst | it doesn't affect the permissions or ownership |
| 08:29.49 | enouf | varlon: each FSType will want specific mount options (for $USER to have rw perms), unless you use pmount, i suppose, or autofs or something - For ex; /msg dpkg ntfs-3g and compare to what vfat wants |
| 08:30.19 | varlon | enouf, it's windows iPod, so vfat using |
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| 08:31.03 | enouf | varlon: here's my typical fstab entry for vfat (and /mnt/p1 is owned by $USER) |
| 08:31.05 | enouf | /dev/hdc4 /mnt/p4 vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 2 |
| 08:31.15 | enouf | er /mnt/p4, not p1 |
| 08:31.16 | varlon | \amethyst, I'm add uid=username and it has effects. thanks |
| 08:32.24 | varlon | early it mounted for my user automaticly, but in sid it stay to mount for root |
| 08:32.37 | varlon | I never use uid option early |
| 08:33.31 | sylar | seem like I need NFSv4 :/ |
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| 08:33.54 | iqson716 | hi! I have a limited network access and cannot google my problem! I have a ntfs partition and when i was install debian no mountpoint get to it, now I want to add it to my fstab but I cant find it, how do I see all of my hard disk's partitions? |
| 08:33.57 | \amethyst | varlon: if you don't have an fstab entry, and you're logged in with GNOME (probably kde too) and belong to the plugdev group, it should be mounted with you as the owner |
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| 08:34.08 | \amethyst | varlon: (or pmount rather than GNOME or KDE) |
| 08:34.09 | cantido | doesn't even know what version of NFS he's using.. |
| 08:34.34 | hattst | I keep getting an annoying "Do you want to deactivate Sticky Keys?" prompt when I press two keys at once.. I don't want to deactivate it, but I want it to stop prompting me with this thing.. any ideas? |
| 08:34.38 | varlon | \amethyst, i'm reading man pmount now |
| 08:34.40 | \amethyst | iqson716: fdisk -l |
| 08:34.51 | \amethyst | iqson716: you might also try blkid |
| 08:34.59 | \amethyst | iqson716: you'll need root for those commands |
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| 08:35.22 | iqson716 | \amethyst, what is blkid? |
| 08:35.42 | enouf | varlon: learn the commands 'id' and 'groups' as well - /msg dpkg groups (for more) |
| 08:35.48 | sylar | is there nfs-v4 in lenny? |
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| 08:36.00 | enouf | iqson716: it's a binary |
| 08:36.15 | \amethyst | iqson716: a program that identifies block devices, telling you their labels, UUIDs, and filesystem types |
| 08:36.17 | iqson716 | enouf, ok |
| 08:36.20 | iqson716 | :) |
| 08:36.26 | varlon | enouf, thanks, but I know that id command show all groups where I'm |
| 08:36.31 | enouf | iqson716: you run it, it's a command |
| 08:36.35 | nameless` | \amethyst, just to inform you that my perl script works well :] |
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| 08:36.48 | \amethyst | nameless`: congrats |
| 08:36.51 | nameless` | \amethyst, thanks for your help |
| 08:37.05 | enouf | !+ tell iqson716 about walot |
| 08:37.05 | dpkg | told iqson716 about walot (somebody said walot was please at least pastebin the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l ; df -hT ; cat /proc/partitions ; cat /proc/mounts ; and blkid -- If you're paranoid, no need to show correct UUIDs, alter them or something.) |
| 08:37.09 | \amethyst | sylar: yes |
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| 08:37.27 | cantido | sylar: the kernel NFS server does v4 according to the description on the package |
| 08:37.37 | sylar | o |
| 08:37.41 | sylar | hmmm |
| 08:37.59 | enouf | dpkg: walot =~ s/--/;/ |
| 08:38.00 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 08:38.59 | \amethyst | sylar: /etc/exports should even have some NFSv4 examples |
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| 08:41.40 | iqson716 | which value can I write to my fstab for ntfs partition under <options> <dump> <pass> ? |
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| 08:42.26 | \amethyst | !user accessible ntfs |
| 08:42.27 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 08:43.11 | \amethyst | iqson716: dump and pass should be zero, or they can be omitted |
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| 08:45.27 | RichH | Hello again, i need to install ncurses-devel but apt-get cant find it any sugestions? |
| 08:45.29 | iqson716 | \amethyst, I want to read/write on this partition |
| 08:46.09 | greenmang0 | RichH: it's ncurses-dev |
| 08:46.18 | RichH | Thanks greenmang0 :) |
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| 08:46.43 | valdyn | libncurses5-dev |
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| 08:47.04 | greenmang0 | valdyn: yeah.. actually |
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| 08:47.31 | iqson716 | \amethyst, can I add default for <option> |
| 08:48.43 | huwenfeng | hi , how can i use apt to find out which packages can provide one virtual package? for example, a virtual package named "hotplug-utils", how can i find which 'real' packages can provide this ? |
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| 08:50.49 | greenmang0 | huwenfeng: aptitude show hotplug-utils |
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| 08:53.21 | huwenfeng | good, thx |
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| 08:58.46 | Teng | has just farted and it flapped up his ballsack |
| 08:58.48 | Teng | giggles |
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| 08:59.42 | PointMan | Um if I have a quad core processor(xeon), shouldnt I see cpu cores : 4 in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 09:00.01 | Weust` | PointMan: what you see now ? |
| 09:00.08 | PointMan | Weust`: just 1 |
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| 09:00.23 | valdyn | PointMan: uname -r |
| 09:00.36 | PointMan | 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
| 09:00.46 | valdyn | uh xen |
| 09:00.56 | valdyn | i dont know then |
| 09:01.00 | PointMan | ok thanks |
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| 09:01.26 | Weust` | PointMan: you need smp kernel |
| 09:01.29 | Weust` | i think |
| 09:01.36 | valdyn | that IS an smp kernel |
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| 09:01.57 | valdyn | every debian kernel is for amd64 |
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| 09:02.26 | PointMan | ill ask in ##xen then, thanks |
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| 09:03.13 | valdyn | PointMan: i think you have a bios setting to fix, but i dont know if this is a host or a guest in xen and i dont know much at all about xen |
| 09:03.40 | PointMan | bios..i hope not, its at a data center :-/ |
| 09:03.45 | teclo- | Hi, any idea of when pidgin 2.5.7 will be in testing ? There's quite a serious issue with the current (2.5.6) testing version ... |
| 09:04.29 | valdyn | teclo-: which issue? |
| 09:04.46 | teclo- | valdyn: impossible to connect to yahoo chat with 2.5.6... |
| 09:05.02 | valdyn | teclo-: just the regular protocol "upgrade" ? |
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| 09:05.14 | valdyn | !why is pidgin not in testing |
| 09:05.14 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 09:05.31 | teclo- | valdyn: well the yahoo chat servers upgraded to a new version of the protocol... |
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| 09:05.36 | valdyn | teclo-: so 6 days at least |
| 09:05.55 | valdyn | this is a fucking pain |
| 09:06.25 | cantido | at least msn allow the use of older protocols.. |
| 09:06.44 | teclo- | valdyn: yeah I can confirm you... |
| 09:07.46 | valdyn | how do commercial chat clients deal with this? they get notified in advance? they play the same catchup game? |
| 09:08.11 | teclo- | good question |
| 09:08.36 | teclo- | I'd say yahoo doesn't give a XXXX about third-party clients... |
| 09:08.42 | greenmang0 | !twitter client in stable |
| 09:08.52 | cantido | teclo-: I can ask someone at yahoo if you want ;) |
| 09:08.57 | valdyn | judd: versions twitux |
| 09:08.58 | judd | valdyn: twitux -- lenny: 0.61-3 squeeze: 0.61-3 sid: 0.69-3 |
| 09:09.09 | teclo- | cantido: good :) ... ask, we'll see the answer |
| 09:09.16 | valdyn | i dont think its mature though, twitux |
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| 09:10.01 | valdyn | its rather easy to just use jabber |
| 09:10.08 | cantido | teclo-: you can talk to yahoo users via msn if I remember correctly.. |
| 09:10.11 | valdyn | at least compared to switching off skype |
| 09:10.11 | greenmang0 | judd: thanks |
| 09:10.13 | judd | greenmang0: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command. |
| 09:10.15 | qiyong | can I have cvs server running standalone? |
| 09:10.30 | valdyn | giuppy: can you? |
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| 09:10.36 | valdyn | oops |
| 09:10.40 | valdyn | qiyong: can you? |
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| 09:11.01 | qiyong | valan: no, it doesn't listen on port 2401 or any |
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| 09:11.09 | qiyong | so i can't connect to |
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| 09:12.01 | valdyn | qiyong: so? start it? |
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| 09:13.45 | valdyn | qiyong: http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/cvsd <- read |
| 09:13.59 | qiyong | cvs [pserver aborted]: bad auth protocol start: |
| 09:14.04 | qiyong | valdyn: ^ |
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| 09:15.25 | qiyong | valdyn: i already got a script cvs-pserver |
| 09:15.26 | cantido | teclo-: as for the yahoo not being open to third parties.. they do publish a lot of their api's an stuff, they have for example published the details of this change. |
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| 09:16.20 | \amethyst | qiyong: so add it to /etc/inetd.conf (since cvs pserver listens on stdin, it needs inetd to set up the network connection) |
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| 09:16.49 | qiyong | \amethyst: that explains why it doesn't run standalone |
| 09:16.50 | \amethyst | qiyong: I have: cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/bin/pserver pserver |
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| 09:17.09 | qiyong | \amethyst: is it documented somewhere? |
| 09:17.18 | \amethyst | qiyong: man inetd.conf |
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| 09:17.46 | qiyong | \amethyst: i mean cvs doesn't listen to nic |
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| 09:18.26 | \amethyst | qiyong: man cvs |
| 09:18.29 | \amethyst | qiyong: it says: |
| 09:18.35 | \amethyst | qiyong: · Requires: repository, client conversation on stdin/stdout |
| 09:18.39 | mnemonic | hi |
| 09:18.44 | \amethyst | qiyong: (under pserver) |
| 09:19.05 | \amethyst | qiyong: also "typically these commands are launched from inetd or via ssh" |
| 09:19.09 | qiyong | \amethyst: yes, thanks |
| 09:19.21 | enouf | teclo-: valdyn i saw this recent workaround posted somewhere i think http://www.celticwolf.com/useful-information/faqs/26-pidgin-yahoo |
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| 09:19.29 | sylar | anyone know if nfs v4 also have the problem of not sharing subdir submounts? |
| 09:20.29 | qiyong | \amethyst: so, server apps run by inetd doesn't need to use socket? |
| 09:20.38 | \amethyst | sylar: you have to set the nohide option on the inner export, or crossmnt on the outer |
| 09:20.50 | qiyong | \amethyst: only process stdin/stdout is enough? and correct |
| 09:20.55 | \amethyst | qiyong: inetd sets up the socket for them and passes it on stdin/stdout |
| 09:21.03 | qiyong | oh |
| 09:21.26 | \amethyst | qiyong: so, yes... you can use more or less any program that reads from stdin and writes to stdout |
| 09:21.52 | qiyong | but the app only treats stdin/stout as files, right, it doesn't need to use bind/accept/send/listen, etc |
| 09:22.02 | \amethyst | qiyong: right, all that is handled by inetd |
| 09:22.18 | \amethyst | qiyong: the app *can* do special things on the sockets, but it doesn't have to |
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| 09:22.47 | qiyong | so inetd helps apps the fussy of network programming |
| 09:22.51 | qiyong | \amethyst: ^ |
| 09:23.15 | \amethyst | qiyong: right |
| 09:23.16 | sylar | \amethyst, I have /media MyServer(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,fsid=0,nohide) |
| 09:23.39 | sylar | \amethyst, and it doesn't work |
| 09:23.46 | \amethyst | sylar: that's the root |
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| 09:24.02 | \amethyst | sylar: nohide is an option for the child |
| 09:24.17 | sylar | ? |
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| 09:24.29 | sylar | \amethyst, you mean the client? |
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| 09:24.38 | \amethyst | sylar: no, for the child filesystem |
| 09:24.52 | atomiku-work | I've recently set up a new dedi. One thing I haven't done before though, is set up proper nameservers |
| 09:25.00 | atomiku-work | Which nameserver daemon should I use? |
| 09:25.05 | sylar | \amethyst, what is the child fs? |
| 09:25.12 | \amethyst | sylar: /mount/blah |
| 09:25.13 | atomiku-work | I've got to to that ns1.atomiku.com and ns2.atomiku.com crap. |
| 09:25.31 | sylar | \amethyst, so where do I put this nohide? |
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| 09:25.37 | kakaka | hi all |
| 09:25.49 | kakaka | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 09:25.50 | kakaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.50 | kakaka | Aborted |
| 09:25.52 | kakaka | for apt-get |
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| 09:25.53 | cantido | atomiku-work: maradns, bind.. there's plently |
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| 09:26.04 | kakaka | hm |
| 09:26.07 | \amethyst | sylar: you need an entry in /etc/exports for each filesystem you want to export |
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| 09:26.25 | \amethyst | sylar: you would put it in the options for the /media/blah filesystems |
| 09:26.32 | atomiku-work | cantido: Excellent. I'll use bind then :) |
| 09:26.36 | \amethyst | sylar: or just crossmnt in the options for /media |
| 09:26.43 | atomiku-work | I would like to change my nameservers of the domain to ns1.atomiku.com and ns1.atomiku.com then |
| 09:26.46 | \amethyst | sylar: but you still need exports entries for all the filesystems |
| 09:26.54 | atomiku-work | But how will ns1.atomiku.com resolve in the first place ,if thats the domain I'm already updating? |
| 09:26.55 | sylar | \amethyst, that line was from the /etc/exports |
| 09:26.58 | kakaka | http://paste.debian.net/40195/ |
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| 09:27.02 | valdyn | atomiku-work: it wont |
| 09:27.02 | kakaka | any idea? |
| 09:27.15 | \amethyst | sylar: what is the problem? |
| 09:27.17 | cantido | atomiku-work: you have a glue record that has the ips for ns1.atomiku.com.. |
| 09:27.19 | McL0VIN | can i assign 'ls -ltr' to a keyboard key e.g the '*' in the keypad? |
| 09:27.19 | petemc | atomiku-work: a glue record |
| 09:27.30 | atomiku-work | Hmm... alright :) |
| 09:27.31 | sylar | \amethyst, that the /media/disk is empty |
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| 09:27.40 | \amethyst | sylar: you need an entry for /media/disk too |
| 09:27.49 | themill | kakaka: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt" |
| 09:27.50 | cantido | atomiku-work: your registra's frontend thingy will detect that your nameservers are in the same domain and ask for the ips |
| 09:28.05 | atomiku-work | Excellent! :) |
| 09:28.06 | sylar | \amethyst, but these are dynamicly populated by plugdev |
| 09:28.20 | sylar | \amethyst, and I don't know how it choose the names |
| 09:28.32 | themill | McL0VIN: * isn't a great choice, look at the "alias" command for your shell though: alias lr="ls -ltr" |
| 09:28.39 | sylar | \amethyst, or waht will happen if I choose a folder name that doesn't exist yet |
| 09:28.43 | sylar | . |
| 09:28.47 | valdyn | sylar: did nohide not work? |
| 09:28.52 | sylar | valan, no |
| 09:28.56 | kakaka | themill: http://paste.debian.net/40196/ |
| 09:29.05 | valdyn | sylar: ok i guess its working only with the userspace nfsd |
| 09:29.23 | McL0VIN | themill: ok , but can i asign it to a key |
| 09:29.23 | sylar | maybe i better use samba |
| 09:29.24 | cantido | atomiku-work: maradns is pretty simple to setup if its your first time,.. |
| 09:29.32 | atomiku-work | Thanks :) |
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| 09:30.56 | McL0VIN | i am talking a physical key on the keyboard |
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| 09:30.56 | valdyn | sylar: if you'd use samba you could just aswell use the userspace nfsd |
| 09:30.57 | valdyn | sylar: samba cant properly support unix permissions |
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| 09:30.57 | themill | McL0VIN: you'd never be able to type * again if you did that. That would be a property of your terminal emulator not your shell though -- see the documentation for whatever terminal emulator you use (gnome-terminal, konsole, xterm etc) |
| 09:30.57 | sylar | valdyn, how about the performance? |
| 09:30.57 | valdyn | sylar: both are userspace |
| 09:30.57 | sylar | valdyn, and reliability? |
| 09:30.57 | valdyn | sylar: uh |
| 09:31.01 | valdyn | sylar: nfs is better suited for unix clients |
| 09:31.33 | sylar | valdyn, I read something that userspace nfs have a problem with moved files, what is that about? |
| 09:31.45 | valdyn | sylar: you never told us what the application or workload would be |
| 09:31.54 | valdyn | sylar: no idea |
| 09:31.59 | kakaka | any idea so far? |
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| 09:32.32 | sylar | valdyn, the application is that someone puts the usb in one computer and can read it at the other computer |
| 09:32.37 | greenmang0 | http://paste.debian.net/40198/ < hal doen't mount flash drive ... running Debian Stable with Xfce but Debian Stable with KDE is fine |
| 09:32.42 | valdyn | kakaka: not enough ram? |
| 09:33.02 | cantido | sylar: I think you're worry too much |
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| 09:33.16 | valdyn | greenmang0: because kde ships its own automount mechanism while xfce does not? |
| 09:33.18 | \amethyst | hm... it might be possible to modify the hal rules to call exportfs after mounting |
| 09:33.23 | sylar | valdyn, just for usb flashdrive for people who come with it |
| 09:33.27 | greenmang0 | valdyn: is it? |
| 09:33.32 | \amethyst | dunno, though |
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| 09:33.35 | sylar | cantido, mua? |
| 09:33.39 | themill | kakaka: do you have an /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ? |
| 09:33.45 | kakaka | yes |
| 09:33.46 | valdyn | sylar: performance is not an issue in a single user setup |
| 09:33.47 | sylar | cantido, I don't worry, it just don't work |
| 09:33.48 | kakaka | let me paste |
| 09:33.59 | greenmang0 | valdyn: what's the solution to get it automounted on Xfce? |
| 09:34.18 | valdyn | greenmang0: I dont know |
| 09:34.36 | greenmang0 | valdyn: :( |
| 09:34.44 | kakaka | http://paste.debian.net/40199/ |
| 09:34.46 | kakaka | apt.conf |
| 09:34.46 | sylar | valdyn, ok, so I am just worry that it will work funny. What is that thing about deleted files? |
| 09:34.53 | cantido | sylar: what exact issue are you having? |
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| 09:35.08 | greenmang0 | !automount flashdrive |
| 09:35.15 | greenmang0 | !hal |
| 09:35.15 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 09:35.17 | themill | kakaka: try setting that value for APT::Cache-Limit to a smaller value. In fact, try removing that setting entirely |
| 09:35.18 | valdyn | sylar: just use nfs or samba |
| 09:35.19 | sylar | cantido, I am trying to export the /media , and the FS that are mounted there are not exported |
| 09:35.22 | kakaka | http://paste.debian.net/40200/ |
| 09:35.24 | greenmang0 | !xfce hal |
| 09:35.24 | kakaka | apt.conf-d |
| 09:35.25 | valdyn | sylar: you will not find software that is bug free |
| 09:35.31 | greenmang0 | !hal xfce |
| 09:35.31 | kakaka | themill: sec |
| 09:35.39 | sylar | valdyn, ok |
| 09:35.42 | valdyn | sylar: and google even finds false bug reports, you wont even find software without false bug reports |
| 09:35.47 | \amethyst | cantido: he wants to nfs-export /media and all the filesystems mounted beneath, but can't add all the possible mount points to /etc/exports because they are dynamically generated |
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| 09:36.18 | valdyn | sylar: so either you use the userspace nfs daemon or samba, up to you, we dont care. Maybe its no diference to you either |
| 09:36.48 | \amethyst | or use an OS with better nfs support :) |
| 09:37.17 | sylar | valdyn, this is from the package description "(for instance, moving a file to a |
| 09:37.17 | sylar | different directory will render its file handle invalid)." |
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| 09:37.42 | atomiku-work | There is a script out there that configured named for you over a web interface |
| 09:37.48 | atomiku-work | It was myDNS or easyDNS or something... anyone know? |
| 09:37.57 | kakaka | themill: didnt work if I lower the value says Dynamic MMap ran out of room increase the value. If I comment out then E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:1: Unsupported directive 'APT::Cache-Limit' |
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| 09:38.07 | kakaka | let me check memory |
| 09:38.15 | cantido | atomiku-work: no, configure it properly or just use your registrars servers |
| 09:38.21 | sylar | valdyn, OK. I just wanted to know if maybe because I don't know NFS, then it can be that I just missed the right options |
| 09:38.26 | atomiku-work | i know how to configure it properly but |
| 09:38.29 | valdyn | sylar: which package? |
| 09:38.29 | atomiku-work | i usually make change |
| 09:38.41 | atomiku-work | all the time. This would save time :) I've used it before, it configures well |
| 09:38.44 | valdyn | sylar: nah, nohide is the right option |
| 09:38.48 | sylar | valdyn, nfs-user-server |
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| 09:39.13 | valdyn | sylar: theres unfs3 |
| 09:39.22 | themill | kakaka: apt.conf uses // or /* */ as comments and you'd need to comment out the entire line. Is this a machine that has a tiny amount of memory? |
| 09:39.56 | valdyn | judd: versions nfs-user-server |
| 09:39.56 | judd | valdyn: nfs-user-server -- etch: 2.2beta47-23 lenny: 2.2beta47-25 |
| 09:40.06 | valdyn | ehe, gone from squeeze and sid |
| 09:40.07 | cantido | atomiku-work: you might want to just use your registrars servers then.. especially if you only have the one server |
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| 09:40.09 | kakaka | themill: it has enough ram |
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| 09:40.25 | atomiku-work | True |
| 09:40.31 | kakaka | themill: so //APT::Cache-Limit "12388608"; ? |
| 09:40.42 | sylar | valdyn, thanks. Is that better? |
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| 09:41.00 | valdyn | sylar: no idea |
| 09:41.01 | themill | kakaka: that should comment it out, yes. The error you see is normally associated with memory allocations failing. |
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| 09:41.37 | sylar | valdyn, lol |
| 09:41.55 | valdyn | sylar: you must be doing something wrong, im reading that the kernel server supports nohide |
| 09:42.23 | valdyn | sylar: or nevermind, that wont work for you |
| 09:42.29 | valdyn | sylar: youd have to write hal hooks |
| 09:42.49 | kakaka | themill: lets see |
| 09:43.18 | themill | kakaka: how many sources do you have in your sources.list? "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" should be a thing of the past in lenny. |
| 09:43.21 | valdyn | sylar: maybe sshfs is better for you |
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| 09:44.25 | kakaka | themill: not changed after I commented out |
| 09:44.52 | kakaka | themill: 2 sources debian lenny main and debian lenny updates |
| 09:45.03 | kakaka | themill: let me upgrade the memory |
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| 09:45.23 | kakaka | themill: thats it |
| 09:45.27 | kakaka | themill: works |
| 09:45.50 | themill | I presume this is a VM then -- all good. |
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| 09:46.56 | babilen | hi all.. |
| 09:47.27 | kakaka | themill: ye thank you |
| 09:47.32 | babilen | i have a problem with exim4. i configured it to act as smarthost, but it is sending mail for local users (root,...) to the relay |
| 09:47.40 | babilen | what have i done wrong? |
| 09:47.58 | petemc | babilen: one of the options is no local mail, sounds like you picked that |
| 09:48.30 | babilen | petemc: i will check that ... |
| 09:49.32 | babilen | petemc: no - i selected "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" |
| 09:49.57 | babilen | petemc: not "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail" |
| 09:50.35 | petemc | do you have root aliased to a non local address? |
| 09:50.57 | babilen | i have my "FQDN" (****.local) in /etc/hosts |
| 09:51.07 | babilen | petemc: yes i have done that |
| 09:51.27 | babilen | petemc: sorry - i misread that |
| 09:51.36 | petemc | pastebin the output of exim4 -d -bt root |
| 09:51.37 | babilen | petemc: i have it aliased to a local user |
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| 09:53.34 | babilen | petemc: http://paste.debian.net/40204/ |
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| 09:54.13 | babilen | petemc: hmm, i guess i spotted it |
| 09:54.16 | shivraj | how can I increase the font size in rxvt ? |
| 09:54.24 | greenmang0 | !how to configure hal in xfce |
| 09:54.43 | babilen | petemc: that information did the trick :-) hope it works now |
| 09:54.51 | petemc | good job |
| 09:55.50 | greenmang0 | shivraj: man rxvt |
| 09:56.16 | babilen | petemc: thanks for the hint... |
| 09:56.31 | petemc | np |
| 09:56.41 | Internat | Howdy all, there might be an easy way to do this or i may just be being special, but is there a way to make IP tables list all of its current rules.. with the commands required to make them? Ie if i wanted to reload them all |
| 09:56.54 | petemc | iptables-save |
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| 10:01.03 | edwin | hi |
| 10:01.25 | edwin | does anyone know where I can follow the status of /emul/ia32-linux transition? |
| 10:02.46 | shivraj | whatever your name is I cant see it |
| 10:02.51 | edwin | libc upgrade has been blocked for a while by ia32-libs |
| 10:02.53 | shivraj | what size should I use for the -fn ? |
| 10:03.01 | shivraj | I tried font4 its smaller :) weird |
| 10:03.08 | shivraj | I thought what was 9x15 as it says |
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| 10:04.29 | shivraj | this is what i type, rxvt -bg 0 -fg 2 -fn font4 ????? help |
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| 10:07.49 | shivraj | why doesnt someone improve on rxvt |
| 10:08.00 | shivraj | its better than this gnome-terminal bs |
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| 10:08.11 | jelly-home | shivraj: -fn argument isn't a font size but a font name/description |
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| 10:09.26 | shivraj | so what should I type to make it larger ? |
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| 10:09.31 | jelly-home | "9x15" is a font name. Technically it's an alias for "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-1" |
| 10:09.45 | jelly-home | you can use anything that xlsfonts command lists |
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| 10:10.44 | jelly-home | shivraj: or you can pick one with xfontsel or gtkfontsel |
| 10:12.12 | jelly-home | shivraj: there are 10x20 and 12x24 for example |
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| 10:12.34 | shivraj_ | hello |
| 10:12.42 | macrobat | edwin: maybe this says something about ia32-libs status http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=ia32-libs |
| 10:13.12 | jelly-home | shivraj_: there are 10x20 and 12x24 for example. You can use anything that xlsfonts command lists, or you can pick one with xfontsel or gtkfontsel. |
| 10:13.20 | themill | edwin: there was a post yesterday on the debian-devel mailing list about the transition |
| 10:13.26 | shivraj_ | ok nome I can see your name jelly-home |
| 10:13.37 | shivraj_ | jelly-home: I used xfontsel, wow this is awesome |
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| 10:14.05 | shivraj_ | jelly-home: I cant believe I was using gnome-terminal all along |
| 10:14.21 | macrobat | i like the xfce4 terminal :) |
| 10:14.30 | shivraj_ | wow so much stuff to get linux running nice |
| 10:14.31 | macrobat | easy to choose a font |
| 10:15.03 | shivraj_ | macrobat: nah .. rxvt is the way to go |
| 10:15.34 | shivraj_ | jelly-home: I chose lucidasanstypewriter-18 |
| 10:15.56 | shivraj_ | wow now I feel like a real hacker, with the green fg and black bg |
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| 10:16.11 | shivraj_ | amazing el333tness, now I will take over the free world |
| 10:16.14 | jelly-home | shivraj_: plain rxvt is incapable of utf-8; you might want to use rxvt-unicode-lite if you need it |
| 10:16.38 | shivraj_ | jelly-home: what exactly is that ? |
| 10:16.46 | shivraj_ | jelly-home: japanese and other languages ? |
| 10:17.29 | jelly-home | what, utf-8? It's a character encoding that has more than 256 glyphs. |
| 10:17.42 | jelly-home | and it's also a localization setting |
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| 10:18.05 | macrobat | can you see the "åäö" characters? |
| 10:18.05 | jelly-home | !utf-8 |
| 10:18.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read ... |
| 10:18.18 | shivraj | exit |
| 10:19.35 | jelly-home | or a ♥ |
| 10:19.45 | macrobat | about fonts, how can i get a larger, better looking font in emacs? |
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| 10:20.06 | shivraj_ | macrobat: use vim and set the terminals font |
| 10:20.12 | shivraj_ | macrobat: easy solution |
| 10:20.19 | macrobat | i use vim |
| 10:20.29 | macrobat | and gvim :) |
| 10:20.31 | jelly-home | he's not asking about vim though |
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| 10:21.00 | shivraj | now im in unicode |
| 10:21.06 | avu | macrobat, if you want anti aliasing, you'll have to use an emacs23 prerelease |
| 10:21.08 | shivraj | weee |
| 10:21.32 | jelly-home | there must be an emacs channel or five |
| 10:21.42 | macrobat | i was looking for a font for the gui emacs, it seems emacs doesnt see the fonts i have installed |
| 10:21.57 | macrobat | it sees only "fixed" |
| 10:22.16 | macrobat | i have asked in #emacs a couple of times, i was ignored |
| 10:22.25 | avu | well, emacs22 doesn't use xft |
| 10:23.03 | avu | also: check the emacswiki |
| 10:24.39 | shivraj | this is fast gnome-terminal cant even compare |
| 10:25.06 | shivraj | im a fast typer .. this is probably done in c and gnome in some bloated prgraming language |
| 10:25.48 | avu | gnome-terminal is written in C and generally faster when it comes to output speed than most other terminals (including xterm) |
| 10:25.58 | avu | doh, I at the trollbait |
| 10:27.19 | edwin | themill: do you remember the author/subject of that email? I can't find it on debian-devel archives of june |
| 10:28.11 | edwin | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/06/msg00761.html |
| 10:28.15 | edwin | or were you referring to this? |
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| 10:29.04 | shivraj | avu: you know that comment makes me feel lower than low, since I just started fishing and havent been able to catch a fish |
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| 10:29.26 | themill | edwin: yeah, that's the one. There's not a huge amount of information there, but that's about the limit of it |
| 10:29.42 | shivraj | jelly-home: whats the command again to list the fonts ? |
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| 10:30.17 | jelly-home | shivraj: it's in your backlog. |
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| 10:30.21 | WorldOfChat | Hello all |
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| 10:30.29 | WorldOfChat | please help me for debian |
| 10:30.30 | jelly-home | xlsfonts |
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| 10:31.17 | shivraj | jelly-home: thanks .. liek I know what my backlog is |
| 10:31.21 | macrobat | for debian and the shire! |
| 10:31.23 | shivraj | im a Troll ............. |
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| 10:31.47 | jelly-home | oh, in that case I'm ignoring you! |
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| 10:32.10 | jelly-home | thanks for the heads up |
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| 10:32.45 | shivraj | that guy said he put out trollbait .. what nerves |
| 10:32.48 | edwin | themill: thanks |
| 10:33.15 | avu | no, I said ate the trollbait, you put it out |
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| 10:35.24 | sylar | I get: mount.nfs: protocol not supported |
| 10:35.30 | sylar | on unfs3 |
| 10:35.41 | sylar | anyone know what to do? |
| 10:36.25 | shivraj | avu: oh well .. good .. |
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| 10:40.01 | shivraj | avu: plus you should be more sensitive .. may I ask how old are you ? you sound liek a 15 yr kid |
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| 10:41.15 | avu | shivraj, I beg your pardon? reacting to correcting wrong information makes me be unsensitive? Or is it the fact that my English is far from perfect? |
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| 10:41.54 | shivraj | well you should say your prayers .. and be more humble |
| 10:42.09 | avu | shivraj, in general I see no reason for you to start insulting me all of a sudden |
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| 10:43.03 | avu | which is even more off-topic than my reacting to your ranting about gnome-terminal |
| 10:43.05 | shivraj | avu: forgive me .. try to be nicer in the future |
| 10:43.23 | shivraj | I dont know how to explain this rxvt has a different feel which I like |
| 10:43.35 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:53.03 | nkuttler | hrm, is xmessage segfaulting for anyone else in sid with the recent upgrade to xserver-common & xserver-xorg-core to 2:1.6.1.901-3 ? |
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| 10:59.44 | FairFight | does any of you use proftpd with mysql? |
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| 11:00.35 | adb | !ask |
| 11:00.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:01.50 | ahi | hi |
| 11:01.51 | FairFight | It was just because I cant get the mod_sql to run, and I wanted to see a sql.conf that works, so I could see if there was something wrong with mine. |
| 11:02.25 | sphenxes01 | I would like to run several g++ programs on windows? what should i use? cygwin or mingw? |
| 11:04.08 | ahi | I have a problem, I upgraded my system, the upgrade was 900 packages, so I had to reconfigure the whole system after upgrade and now I have solved all the problems that happened (the network was gone, the X server was corrupted) but I still having a problem, when I try to install wine, it depends on ia32-libs, but ia32-libs requires the unninstall of libc6-i386 , lib32gcc , lib32stdc++6 and hfsprogs |
| 11:04.42 | valdyn | ahi: you are running unstable, thats unsupported, ia32-libs is broken in sid. |
| 11:05.04 | ahi | I'm not in Sid |
| 11:05.08 | ahi | I'm on Lenny |
| 11:05.12 | valdyn | ahi: no youre not |
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| 11:05.43 | valdyn | ahi: lenny never got 900 upgrades |
| 11:05.49 | ahi | yeah |
| 11:05.51 | valdyn | ahi: lenny doesnt have broken ia32-libs |
| 11:05.59 | ahi | well |
| 11:06.12 | ahi | I havent upgraded since etch |
| 11:06.19 | ahi | but now I'm on lenny |
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| 11:06.31 | valdyn | ahi: i dont think so |
| 11:06.37 | ahi | wel, anyways |
| 11:06.37 | themill | ahi: did you follow the release notes on how to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 11:06.42 | ahi | what should I do? |
| 11:06.53 | valdyn | ahi: reinstall stable aka lenny |
| 11:07.01 | ahi | I have read that it is a usual problem in Internet |
| 11:07.17 | themill | ahi: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; dpkg -l apt aptitude libc6 ia32-libs" |
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| 11:12.21 | ahi | http://pastebin.com/m399fa614 |
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| 11:13.12 | ahi | that's the output |
| 11:13.18 | valdyn | haha |
| 11:13.23 | ahi | Is libc6-i386 an improtant package, even if I am using amd64 system? |
| 11:13.34 | |bbinotto| | hi, a debian using linux-image-2.6-amd64, does this mean that it runs in 64bit mode or can it also run in 32bit mode with this image? |
| 11:13.41 | valdyn | you just removed the unstable / sid line *after* upgrading to unstable |
| 11:13.50 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6 |
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| 11:13.51 | judd | valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-18 |
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| 11:14.03 | themill | ahi: welcome to a lovely sid/lenny/squeeze mix. Enjoy! |
| 11:14.17 | valdyn | ahi: but youre still on sid |
| 11:14.28 | ahi | ok, so? |
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| 11:14.33 | ahi | what should I do? |
| 11:14.36 | valdyn | ahi: reinstall debian/stable |
| 11:14.40 | ahi | NOOO |
| 11:14.51 | ahi | I have been using this system since 2007 |
| 11:15.05 | ahi | I dont really think reinstall is an option |
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| 11:15.11 | valdyn | ahi: thats ok, we know you just broke it now |
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| 11:15.34 | ahi | The system is working |
| 11:15.44 | valdyn | ahi: we know |
| 11:15.44 | themill | ahi: so why are you asking questions here? |
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| 11:15.56 | ahi | It's just those packages |
| 11:16.12 | valdyn | ahi: those packages are broken for sid |
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| 11:16.26 | valdyn | ahi: you are running sid -> those packages are broken for your system |
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| 11:16.59 | ahi | When i upgraded X server wasn't starting, gdm was removed, NetworkManager failed and now I have fixed those problems |
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| 11:17.16 | valdyn | ahi: you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list back to sid and wait till devs upload new ia32-libs packages |
| 11:17.27 | ahi | there SHOULD be a way to fix it |
| 11:17.31 | valdyn | ahi: that could be days, or weaks |
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| 11:17.41 | valdyn | ahi: yea, if you can fix ia32-libs yourself |
| 11:17.53 | ahi | LOL :P |
| 11:18.03 | valdyn | s/weaks/weeks/ |
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| 11:18.07 | ahi | ok |
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| 11:18.17 | ahi | I dont care, I can wait |
| 11:18.29 | ahi | I can run wine on my Gentoo |
| 11:18.43 | ahi | :D |
| 11:18.57 | ahi | and, what if I downgrade to lenny? |
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| 11:19.33 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 11:19.33 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 11:19.48 | ahi | I mean, If I install Lenny's libc6 , lib32gcc and then try to install wine? |
| 11:19.57 | ahi | not a fresh install |
| 11:20.04 | valdyn | ahi: that might break all kinds of packages |
| 11:20.26 | themill | very very unlikely to work. It would be much easier to just to a reinstall. /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 11:20.35 | bkraptor | does anyone know how I can make tsclient (the GUI remote desktop app) to send rdesktop (the app doing the actual remote desktop) a few more parameters that tsclient doesn't have GUI options for? |
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| 11:21.07 | ahi | well, i wont then |
| 11:21.11 | macrobat | wine is broken right now in sid, wait a bit |
| 11:21.53 | ahi | ok |
| 11:21.57 | ahi | I'll |
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| 11:22.22 | macrobat | do you have the winehq repo for debian? |
| 11:22.28 | ahi | thanks for the info people |
| 11:22.41 | themill | ahi: just be aware that if you're running sid, this is a common, even usual occurrence. You'll probably be happier with lenny... just reinstall lenny. |
| 11:22.50 | ahi | and, no I didn't know there was a repo for Debian in winehq |
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| 11:23.28 | ahi | is that repo working, macrobat? |
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| 11:24.19 | macrobat | http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny no it isnt |
| 11:24.35 | ahi | ok, so thanks |
| 11:24.43 | macrobat | but maybe you'll get a fresher wine when it does work |
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| 11:27.34 | careta | can anyone enlighten me what is the difference between prelink and preload, and if there is any performance difference when using one or both? |
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| 11:28.13 | norbert_ | is it true that the mplayer from the Debian stable apt repository doesn't support subtitles? |
| 11:29.39 | valdyn | careta: have you read the package descriptions? |
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| 11:30.52 | careta | valdyn, yes but I didn't understand much... i'm just asking if it's worthy to install them |
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| 11:31.05 | valdyn | careta: it is |
| 11:31.17 | careta | valdyn, both of them? |
| 11:31.23 | valdyn | careta: yes |
| 11:31.25 | careta | do they need any special configuration? |
| 11:31.32 | valdyn | careta: no |
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| 11:31.57 | valdyn | careta: preload is pointless if you are tight on ram, thats all |
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| 11:32.15 | careta | i got lots of it |
| 11:32.18 | careta | thanks valdyn |
| 11:34.15 | norbert_ | hi all, is there a way to get mozilla-mplayer to use mplayer -vo xv? I need this because (gtk-)recordmydesktop will not record anything that's played with general mplayer |
| 11:34.46 | norbert_ | I edited /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf (vo=xv,x11), but that has no effect |
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| 11:35.16 | jose_zap | I accidentaly deleted the config dir in /etc of a package and apt-get won't create again... is there any option to tell apt-get to recreate it? |
| 11:35.27 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 11:35.27 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 11:35.32 | sylar | anyone know how to make gnome-volume-manager mount the usb-flash-drives with different permissions? |
| 11:36.34 | jose_zap | valdyn: thanks |
| 11:36.35 | jose_zap | !confmiss |
| 11:36.35 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 11:39.13 | valdyn | norbert_: why would the default (xv) improve the situation? |
| 11:39.26 | valdyn | norbert_: more like you are using xv and xv is the reason why nothing is recorded |
| 11:39.38 | norbert_ | because xv allows the video to be grabed, same thing when using The Gimp |
| 11:39.52 | valdyn | norbert_: that makes no sense at all |
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| 11:40.05 | norbert_ | on my machine I always pick -vo xv when I want The Gimp to be able to allow me to import screenshots |
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| 11:40.16 | norbert_ | it might make no sense, but what I describe is true on my pc |
| 11:40.25 | valdyn | norbert_: xv is the default |
| 11:40.37 | valdyn | norbert_: x11 makes it being the same as anything displayed, so its recorded too |
| 11:40.47 | norbert_ | hum... |
| 11:40.53 | norbert_ | maybe I'm wrong and I mean x11 then |
| 11:41.10 | norbert_ | that would explain everything |
| 11:41.34 | valdyn | norbert_: xv uses a blitting technique usually |
| 11:41.44 | valdyn | norbert_: x11 just writes to the common display |
| 11:42.13 | valdyn | norbert_: xv is also entirely up to your drivers, x11 is always the common display |
| 11:42.25 | norbert_ | yeah you're right :) |
| 11:42.27 | norbert_ | my mistake |
| 11:42.31 | lcuk | <3's xv |
| 11:42.36 | norbert_ | I knew I had to change something from or to xv/x11 |
| 11:42.44 | norbert_ | but I 'changed' it the wrong direction |
| 11:42.56 | norbert_ | now that I added vo=x11 it works fine, thanks |
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| 11:53.49 | infernix | how can I find out whether if debian installer CD 1 (not DVD) contains the firmware-bnx2 package? |
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| 11:55.05 | Razorigga | http://www.rette-paintball.de/ |
| 11:55.06 | adb | !firmware |
| 11:55.06 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 11:55.11 | themill | infernix: it won't because it's non-free. /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 11:55.20 | infernix | k, i'll bring an usb stick then |
| 11:55.29 | themill | Razorigga: wrong channel |
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| 11:56.48 | infernix | I guess CD1 (650mb, not netinst) will be fine for a base install? |
| 11:57.10 | infernix | or would I need any of CD2 through 100? :p |
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| 11:57.32 | abrotman | if you're doing an offline install, and you want packages on those CDs |
| 11:57.55 | infernix | nah, just the basics. "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." |
| 11:58.07 | infernix | its a rare occasion that I still install from CD :) |
| 11:58.13 | infernix | usually its PXE or USB |
| 11:59.46 | infernix | runs off to the data center |
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| 11:59.47 | qneo | what is the difference between install CD, and DVD? does the DVD install something more? |
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| 11:59.57 | Mitsui_Sam | hi all! |
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| 12:00.42 | Mitsui_Sam | I creating a linux-image package with make-kpkg, What should I do to remove /lib/module/kernel_version/source from deb package? |
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| 12:03.15 | careta | Mitsui_Sam, why do you want to do that? |
| 12:03.17 | simNIX | qneo, simply put the DVD has practicly anything you can add, Cd1 has the thing needed for a base install one |
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| 12:04.24 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, because I'll install this image in some computers and only the test system has the source |
| 12:04.56 | simNIX | qneo, if you got Internet on the to be installed box I would recommend download the mininmal netboot iso = smaal and pulls all it needs from the Internet ... |
| 12:05.08 | simNIX | *smaal=small |
| 12:05.21 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, dpkg complain about this link (source) during install |
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| 12:06.08 | simNIX | which ever you choose (CD1/DVD/minimal) in the end you will have the same system |
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| 12:06.35 | qneo | simNIX: you mean just do the base install, and then install only the things, that I want? xorg, gnome... |
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| 12:06.57 | simNIX | only the point where you start pulling packages from the Internet instead cd/dvd differs |
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| 12:07.01 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, could you help me? |
| 12:07.19 | simNIX | even standard gnome desktop is in cd1 |
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| 12:08.27 | careta | Mitsui_Sam, that's strange. you can try and make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source |
| 12:08.37 | careta | and install those 3 packages on every machine |
| 12:08.44 | VirusTB | hello |
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| 12:08.52 | simNIX | qneo, I can recommend start with base install and then add what you like but thats not needed perse - if you also want gnome its on cd1 and so Desktop can be slected - if you use minimal you can also select anything yuo like since it will pull it from the Internet |
| 12:09.02 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, I don't need to install kernel_source in all machines, only headers and image |
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| 12:09.38 | careta | Mitsui_Sam, that dpkg complaint is fatal, or it continues install without a problem? |
| 12:09.39 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, the final objective is stop dpkg's complaing about this symlink (source) |
| 12:09.47 | simNIX | qneo, I prefer minimail iso since if I pull DVD (4,5Gb) I will maybe only need litle pat of it (has a lot I never use) |
| 12:09.50 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, no, is not fatal |
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| 12:10.00 | simNIX | pat=part |
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| 12:10.09 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, but is not prety too |
| 12:10.27 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, I'd like to make this image redistributable |
| 12:10.32 | careta | Mitsui_Sam, if everything works fine, don't worry. I don't use an initrd and everytime i install a new kernel dpkg complaints about some broken initrd symlink. never had any problems |
| 12:10.53 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, would you like to install a linux-image with this complaining? |
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| 12:11.28 | simNIX | qneo, hope I've not confused you more .. |
| 12:11.40 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, do you think is easier ignore the message, but I prefer make the things in "rigth way" |
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| 12:14.38 | careta | Mitsui_Sam, not sure what you should do... ask again to see if someone can help you |
| 12:15.03 | Mitsui_Sam | careta, apriciate your time :D |
| 12:15.22 | abrotman | Mitsui_Sam: why are you making your own kernel? |
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| 12:16.16 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, I'm appling netfilter layer7 extension, and preparing the ipp2p extension too and I think it could be helpfull for others |
| 12:16.52 | qneo | grr, I was disconnected.. |
| 12:16.55 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, I'm using debian kernel's config default file and only added other things |
| 12:17.14 | qneo | simNIX: thank you for explanation |
| 12:17.23 | abrotman | Mitsui_Sam: which make-kpkg command did you use? |
| 12:17.36 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, and of course I'd like to understand better how debian's developer do the things :D |
| 12:17.50 | Mitsui_Sam | make-kpkg --append-to-version "-nga-l7" --revision 1 --us --uc --arch i386 --initd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 12:19.08 | abrotman | shouldn't that be --initrd ? .. but anyways .. you're saying that it's adding a source tree to your kernel_image package ? |
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| 12:20.11 | simNIX | qneo, yw |
| 12:20.48 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, no, I'm saying that it's adding a symlink source into modules dir (/lib/modules/2.6.28-nga-l7/source) |
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| 12:21.29 | simNIX | qneo, once install you can with /etc/apt/sources.list setup so that anything add thereafter is pulled from Internet - once that is setup and you ave same packages installed then there no diference between any method |
| 12:21.44 | simNIX | ave=have |
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| 12:22.08 | macpower | hi |
| 12:22.10 | macpower | everybody |
| 12:22.40 | macpower | Somebody can ask me, if it's possible to change pptp client port ? please |
| 12:23.09 | lcuk | macpower, is it possible to change the pptp client port? |
| 12:23.17 | macpower | yes |
| 12:23.21 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, There are two symlinks build and source in the image I've done |
| 12:23.23 | FairFight | lol |
| 12:23.44 | FairFight | Well, i found out that proftpd cant kill -HUP because of my mod_sql/mod_sql_mysql - my sql.conf: http://pastebin.com/d65a186c9 - Logfile when i try to kill -HUP: http://pastebin.com/d6e40addf - what can the problem be? |
| 12:23.46 | macpower | lcuk : yes. Can I |
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| 12:24.20 | lcuk | i dunno, you asked me to ask you. i thought you knew the answer and were excited about answering it |
| 12:24.42 | toe | :D |
| 12:24.44 | macpower | ???? |
| 12:24.47 | qneo | simNIX: I'll go for netinstall then |
| 12:24.49 | capslock286 | problem booting mepis by using usb stick on a lenovo s10. "kernel couldn't be found" |
| 12:24.54 | capslock286 | ideas? |
| 12:24.57 | abrotman | Mitsui_Sam: and you want to reomve that symlink ? |
| 12:25.05 | abrotman | capslock286: ask #mepis, it's not supported here |
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| 12:25.07 | lcuk | macpower, i dont know the answer, someone else might though |
| 12:25.14 | macpower | lcuk : ok |
| 12:25.15 | macpower | thanks |
| 12:25.23 | capslock286 | ok, thnx anyway |
| 12:25.24 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, in linux-image from debian repo build points to kernel_headers in my kernel points to linux-2.6.28, in debian repo source doesn't exist in my linux image there are this source link that points to linux-2.6.28 too |
| 12:25.27 | simNIX | qneo, hope you like - ) |
| 12:25.28 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, yeah :D |
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| 12:25.48 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, or point to header like debian's default |
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| 12:26.33 | macpower | somebody know how doing for change port in pptp client ? please |
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| 12:30.47 | abrotman | Mitsui_Sam: the crappy answer is to unpack the .deb and remove it manually, then repack |
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| 12:32.48 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, how could I do this? |
| 12:33.21 | themill | Mitsui_Sam: I wouldn't bother -- the official debian packages leave that symlink in place. |
| 12:33.33 | abrotman | ar x foo.deb ; you'll see that you then have a data.tar.gz and a control.tar.gz .. you can unpack the data.tar.gz and then alter it .. then reverse the process |
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| 12:36.05 | jeffrin | can someone tell me what are the programming areas involved in systems administration ? |
| 12:36.39 | torgrim | what do you mean? |
| 12:36.51 | torgrim | mostly scriping stuffs and creating other automatisations |
| 12:37.00 | torgrim | bash perl python comes in handy |
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| 12:37.11 | ssm | jeffrin: workarounds, kludges and hacks are the three main ones :P |
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| 12:37.23 | \amethyst | ssm++ |
| 12:37.40 | Mitsui_Sam | themill, this links are different from the kernel I make to the kernel I installed using apt-get |
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| 12:38.03 | jeffrin | ssm : what is kludges |
| 12:38.16 | themill | !kludge |
| 12:38.16 | dpkg | well, kludge is a clumsy or inelegant solution to a problem or difficulty. In engineering, a kludge is a workaround, typically using unrelated parts cobbled together. Especially in computer programs, a kludge is often used to fix an unanticipated problem in an earlier kludge; this is essentially a kind of cruft. |
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| 12:40.36 | anddam | hello |
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| 12:40.57 | anddam | I'm gonna make an image of hda, does bs affect dd speed? |
| 12:41.22 | jeffrin | ssm : so does that mean a systems administrator needs to know application programming also |
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| 12:42.20 | anddam | jeffrin: if you mean programmin as in bash scripting I'd say yes, if you mean functional paradigm I'd say no |
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| 12:43.16 | jeffrin | anddam : does a sysad need to know kernel programming |
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| 12:43.50 | anddam | jeffrin: no, imho. He's a sys _admin_ not a sys _developer_ |
| 12:44.26 | anddam | anyone about the dd thing? I've this prompt line pending... |
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| 12:50.08 | WormFood | ugh! I just updated/upgraded sid and rebooted (even tho I shouldn't need to reboot), and those cocksuckers replaced my window manager with metacity....how in the hell do I get my old window manager back? I can manually kill metacity and start my WM, but how do I make it automagic? I select it at the GDM login screen, and it does nothing (I can't even reboot X, I have to go to a console and restart gdm) |
| 12:50.12 | VirusTB | Whats a Great app. for syncing my music to my iPhone from Ubuntu? ? v? |
| 12:50.54 | WormFood | i hate metacity WM! |
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| 12:53.20 | WormFood | what is "the debian way"(tm) to change my WM? |
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| 12:53.51 | anddam | windowmanager? |
| 12:53.57 | WormFood | yes |
| 12:54.04 | anddam | WormFood: check update-alternatives |
| 12:54.37 | anddam | I'm not sure there's an entry for it but if so it'd probably be something like x-window-manager |
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| 12:57.07 | WormFood | what do I do with update-alternatives? |
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| 12:58.43 | ssm | jeffrin: a systems administrator does not _need_ to know application programming, but knowing things about the programs running on the system you're responsible for is very useful. |
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| 12:59.14 | anddam | ssm: and allows for some useful batch-scripting |
| 12:59.23 | ssm | anddam: true |
| 12:59.47 | anddam | I'd like a lua-based system, that is relying on lua for all its scripting |
| 13:00.17 | ssm | anddam: well, you'll avoid bashisms that way, at least :P |
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| 13:00.56 | anddam | bash scirpts get messed up quickly when their size grows |
| 13:01.04 | anddam | scripts* |
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| 13:01.28 | ssm | anddam: yes, at that point I rewrite them in perl, python or ruby. |
| 13:01.35 | anddam | or Lua :-) |
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| 13:01.48 | ssm | never tried lua for sysadmin stuff |
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| 13:03.26 | Mitsui_Sam | abrotman, thanks man! now it's working :D |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | you're welcome .. i think :) |
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| 13:05.14 | lostson | lol |
| 13:06.35 | WormFood | abrotman, what is "the debian way"(tm) to change my Window Manager? |
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| 13:07.37 | vicro | hi |
| 13:08.05 | ssm | WormFood: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ? |
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| 13:08.29 | abrotman | WormFood: you were already told |
| 13:08.35 | vicro | what is default kernel of debian 5.01 cd image?? |
| 13:08.39 | abrotman | 2.6.26 |
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| 13:14.27 | honschu | Is it possible to use gif-images in a GPLv3 project? |
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| 13:15.56 | adb | see gif-images license |
| 13:16.06 | cantido | Didn't the patents expire on that or something? |
| 13:16.11 | vicro | uname pleax |
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| 13:16.54 | honschu | I wrote a java-game in GPLv3, no some guys took the source and added some gif-files into the jar file. Is this leagal? |
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| 13:17.26 | honschu | no=now |
| 13:17.30 | abrotman | honschu: do you mean just images? or a program called gif-files ? |
| 13:17.57 | honschu | abrotman: Just some gif-images (similies) that are beeing used in the chat-client. |
| 13:18.10 | honschu | similies=smilies ;) sry |
| 13:18.11 | abrotman | wtf is gif-images? |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | those are image files |
| 13:18.35 | cantido | thinks he means images that are GIF encoded.. |
| 13:18.42 | abrotman | honschu: i'm sure plenty of GPLed software includes GIFs |
| 13:18.42 | honschu | yes! |
| 13:18.46 | nkuttler | honschu: ask the fsf.. or gpl faq probably |
| 13:19.01 | honschu | I'll do so nkuttler. |
| 13:19.22 | abrotman | honschu: on my system here without X .. locate *.gif has 1200 files |
| 13:19.41 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. bad system to check :) |
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| 13:19.55 | abrotman | but there are still tons of GIFs on the system |
| 13:20.12 | WormFood | abrotman, told how? |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | by multiple people |
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| 13:20.59 | cantido | GIF are/were patent encumbered though, isn't that a GPLv3 no no |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | honschu: see ntop .. it is GPLv2 and includes GIFs |
| 13:21.31 | abrotman | i have no idea which packages on my system are GPLv3 ... |
| 13:21.40 | WormFood | honschu, why would the format matter? |
| 13:21.42 | peppe | cantido: the LZW patent expired |
| 13:21.54 | cantido | peppe: that's what I thought |
| 13:22.06 | honschu | okay, the game is creepsmash can be found at creepsmash.de |
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| 13:22.19 | honschu | WormFood: Maybe because of patents |
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| 13:22.32 | C2H5OH | hi |
| 13:22.47 | C2H5OH | anyone has experienced strange Xorg behaviour recently? |
| 13:22.58 | nkuttler | C2H5OH: strange? |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | you mean .. turning head and vomiting ? |
| 13:23.14 | C2H5OH | yeah, something like that :-P |
| 13:23.25 | cantido | honschu: I would have thought it being written in Java would be a bit of a GPLv3 issue anyhow |
| 13:23.31 | ssm | abrotman: should be normal behaviour for any system that runs daemons? |
| 13:23.36 | C2H5OH | I can see window manager text in titlebars |
| 13:23.38 | cantido | honschu: Sun have to have a shit ton of patents all over that ;) |
| 13:23.39 | C2H5OH | but not in applications |
| 13:23.50 | C2H5OH | where it is blurred |
| 13:23.53 | C2H5OH | completely |
| 13:24.34 | C2H5OH | oh well, and xrandr thinks I have something plugged into the external VGA when I don't |
| 13:24.53 | honschu | So the gif images can be there. But the licence of the gif images is that the owner of the copyright only granted the right that this gif-images can be used with a defined project. is this compatible with the copyleft of GPLv3? |
| 13:25.06 | C2H5OH | I saw an xorg update in sid two days ago, so I though it could have something to do |
| 13:25.28 | nkuttler | honschu: probably not |
| 13:25.33 | cantido | honschu: you should look on the FSF site maybe.. I think there are FAQ's and such there |
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| 13:26.40 | BCM43 | how can I get xscreensaver to startup every time I startx? |
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| 13:27.32 | nkuttler | BCM43: man xsession |
| 13:28.31 | abrotman | cantido: openjdk |
| 13:28.46 | BCM43 | nkuttler: I don't see anything. This would might be in man startx though. Let me check |
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| 13:29.38 | BCM43 | q |
| 13:29.43 | BCM43 | ops |
| 13:29.50 | BCM43 | nothing there. |
| 13:29.53 | nkuttler | !tell BCM43 about xsession |
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| 13:30.49 | BCM43 | nkuttler: that does not help. |
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| 13:31.43 | nkuttler | BCM43: yes it does... put things you want into ~/.xsession... |
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| 13:31.55 | BCM43 | nkuttler: i see. Thanks |
| 13:32.01 | nkuttler | BCM43: or read the docs of your window manager, autostart etc |
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| 13:32.38 | BCM43 | nkuttler: scrotwm is not well documented, but this should work. Thanks. |
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| 13:41.50 | Eternal_Sin | hi everyone |
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| 13:43.40 | pshlos_ | hello. i have installed lenny 5.01 and trying to settup 5.1 suround sound. have a soundblaster audigy and the drivers that is autoloaded is emu10k1. i can't get sound from all 5 speakers but just the 3 ones (2f + 1c). i chacked all mixers to see if thereis something muted or disabled but everything seems to b fine. what am i doing wrong? |
| 13:43.55 | voodoor | Anyone know of a decent mirror for the sid version of d-i? I can't get anything off the main site |
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| 13:44.16 | abrotman | voodoor: use the lenny installer and go from there |
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| 13:45.29 | voodoor | abrotman: Lenny installer doesn't work on this laptop I have here |
| 13:45.48 | kanzure | I know everyone hates "super package managers" that attempt to unite all packaging systems under the sun (when it comes to software), but could we at least get a super-apt-cache-search mechanism so that I can see if there's something on pypi, hackage, cpan, apt, yum, etc.? |
| 13:46.30 | voodoor | no d-i mirrors? |
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| 13:47.51 | Dunge | Hey guys, I've builded updates to a few libs... and now when I build my application I get a problem in pngconf.h : "__png.h__ already includes setjmp.h; __dont__ include it again.;" ... I guess it's FreeType2 that include it before.. but anyone can help me explaining what's the problem?? |
| 13:47.55 | ralphy | does anyone know why quanta isn't in testing, but is in unstable and stable? |
| 13:48.11 | nkuttler | kanzure: i'm sure that's easy to script |
| 13:48.29 | nkuttler | ralphy: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 13:48.32 | kanzure | nkuttler: but surely someone has done it before :) |
| 13:48.44 | nkuttler | kanzure: google |
| 13:48.45 | kanzure | I guess I'll do it myself if someone yells at me loudly enough, or complains loudly enough |
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| 13:50.59 | designs703 | hi everyone |
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| 13:52.09 | abrotman | voodoor: kmuto ? |
| 13:52.48 | voodoor | abrotman: kmuto?? |
| 13:53.09 | voodoor | is that a mirror? |
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| 13:53.29 | ewet | what should i download to have the fastest installation experience with kde? the 1st cd or should i download the dvd? (i commonly use the netcd for my virtual machines and system installation was a while ago) |
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| 13:55.40 | abrotman | !tell voodoor about kmuto |
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| 13:56.41 | ttl_work | enouf: I tried with the blackbox WM but the window borders are still hidden behind the panel on maximize maximized. |
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| 13:57.02 | abrotman | voodoor: what about the lenny installer doesn't work on your laptop, and how do you think sid will make this work ? |
| 13:57.34 | ttl_work | -maximized |
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| 13:58.25 | C2H5OH | can anyone please explain me this: http://www.krenel.net/pics/weird.png ?? |
| 13:58.29 | designs703 | Hi everyone. what is the command to generate a hashed password for a passwd file? I've forgotten |
| 13:59.06 | abrotman | C2H5OH: your video card sucks, or you're using the wrong driver |
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| 13:59.43 | C2H5OH | abrotman: it worked three days ago |
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| 13:59.57 | abrotman | C2H5OH: so what did you change? |
| 14:00.05 | C2H5OH | just Sid upgrade |
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| 14:00.17 | C2H5OH | I think the xserver-xorg-core package was upgraded |
| 14:00.18 | abrotman | just ... |
| 14:00.20 | ewet | is there information about on which cd/dvs kde is? do i need the dvd or does the cd suffice? |
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| 14:00.34 | abrotman | ewet: there is a KDE CD1 if you look |
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| 14:00.51 | C2H5OH | abrotman: that is Intel driver with Kernel Mode Setting in 2.6.30 |
| 14:01.10 | voodoor | abrotman: Where kmuto? Does the sid d-i not use a newer kernel than the lenny d-i? |
| 14:01.10 | ewet | how - i don't have it here or where should i look for that? |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | so try other settings .. i haven't seen that since .. icky S3 cards |
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| 14:01.22 | abrotman | voodoor: that doesn't answer what doesn't work and how sid will fix that |
| 14:01.56 | voodoor | abrotman: 99% of the time newer kernel = more hardware support esp. new hardware, like this laptop |
| 14:02.05 | abrotman | you're still not answering the question |
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| 14:02.37 | gum2tux | after installed sun java6 and then I have 2 directories (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/ and /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12) which one to choose for creating symbolic link for iceweasel to use the installed java ? |
| 14:02.43 | abrotman | voodoor: have you tried the lenny installer? what about it doesn't work? |
| 14:04.42 | voodoor | abrotman: Yes I've tried the lenn installer- didn't even get as far as starting the services |
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| 14:06.46 | keinek_work | hi |
| 14:07.10 | voodoor | abrotman: Yes I'm getting much better dl speed off kmuto thanks |
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| 14:07.28 | keinek_work | anybody knows when will ready the modules for 2.6.30 in the tree SID? |
| 14:07.30 | abrotman | voodoor: that's not a 'mirror' it's an installer for lenny with a newer kernel |
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| 14:08.10 | keinek_work | I use to debian live helper, and now was fall cos this missing modules.- |
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| 14:09.06 | ewet | abrotman: OMG!!1 sorry ;) |
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| 14:11.36 | voodoor | abrotman: Yes, I know, and if it works then I'd prefer it to using a sid d-i |
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| 14:12.52 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:12.59 | abrotman | just making sure you knew what it was |
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| 14:17.50 | siyb | is there a way to operate a2ensite with subdirectories like sites-available/foosites/foo -> a2ensite foosites/foo? |
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| 14:23.10 | sylar | where is hal set from? |
| 14:23.30 | ranix | hardware abstraction layer? |
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| 14:27.13 | themill | siyb: probably not, and you'd need to modify the apache2.conf to handle such directories too which would defeat the point of it all. But why would you want to do that? |
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| 14:28.22 | siyb | themill: order :) |
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| 14:29.23 | themill | you can just prefix the names in the directory -- unless you have 10^3 of them, that's not a problem "foosites-foo.conf". At some stage, mass virtual hosting becomes more sensible anyway |
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| 14:30.17 | siyb | i thought about prefixes as well, dirs would be nicer though |
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| 14:30.22 | siyb | thanks for the quick answer |
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| 14:47.38 | voodoor | abrotman: kmuto installed fine - thanks for pointing it out! |
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| 14:51.50 | abrotman | voodoor: good to hear it |
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| 14:52.16 | tzanger | good morning; I'm trying to install a package but it complains that it will break anothe rpackage |
| 14:52.32 | tzanger | i.e. libc6-i386: Breaks lib32ncurses5 (<=5.7+20090523-1) but 5.7+20090523-1 is to be installed |
| 14:52.37 | tzanger | how do I tell apt to just do it anyway? |
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| 14:56.40 | themill | tzanger: welcome to sid |
| 14:56.41 | tzanger | themill: yeah, I installed it for updated kde4 but it seems to be creeping in and taking over |
| 14:57.58 | themill | is quite pleased that sid is so spectacularly broken atm... perhaps those who say "sid never breaks for me" will remember this for a bit |
| 14:58.23 | tzanger | haha |
| 14:58.37 | tzanger | themill: I generally avoid it like the plague |
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| 14:58.56 | tzanger | and honestly if asound breaks so I can get this package installed, so be it, there's no sound card in this machine anyway |
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| 15:02.50 | G69 | Good Afternoon / Boa Tarde. |
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| 15:03.49 | voodoor | loves 'Boa Tarde' as a greeting! ;) |
| 15:04.06 | voodoor | retarded snake? |
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| 15:06.53 | asg | voodoor: or idiot neckwear |
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| 15:07.43 | voodoor | :) |
| 15:08.05 | styx | hifi, is there a good beginner tutorial to install a apach2 webserver with a SVN repository? |
| 15:08.07 | teddy__ | I flip flop between debian server 5 and ubuntu 904 |
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| 15:10.19 | themill | styx: /msg dpkg install apache2 ; /msg dpkg setup subversion |
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| 15:10.54 | drwn | hello everybody |
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| 15:11.13 | drwn | How I can have a secure server ? |
| 15:11.28 | drwn | is mean what tools I should install ? |
| 15:11.42 | themill | !securing debian |
| 15:11.42 | dpkg | somebody said harden was D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 15:13.33 | drwn | thanks dpkg |
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| 15:13.34 | drwn | I will read these |
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| 15:13.46 | styx | themill, is that all?^^ |
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| 15:15.32 | themill | styx: is it enough? What bit are you stuck on? |
| 15:16.39 | styx | firefox does not show the apache test page |
| 15:17.04 | nkuttler | styx: which one? |
| 15:17.18 | nkuttler | styx: tail -f /var/log/apache2/*log |
| 15:17.28 | themill | styx: my ESP-over-IRC isn't doing so well today. What have you done so far? Is apache running? What URL did you go to? etc etc. |
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| 15:23.28 | BubbaT | Is there some way of restarting X without losing the running X programs? |
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| 15:26.17 | guidvr_ | i just installed debian and sshd and local ssh logins work but not from an external machine on the same network, what could be wrong? |
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| 15:30.01 | nkuttler | guidvr_: firewall? |
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| 15:30.14 | nkuttler | guidvr_: afaik the defaults enable remote logins |
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| 15:31.59 | themill | networking on the new box being not/incorrectly configured is the most likely reason |
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| 15:32.32 | nkuttler | or that. /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:32.35 | BubbaT | Are yoiu logging in as root? |
| 15:34.06 | guidvr_ | i tried both root and user |
| 15:34.13 | themill | that shouldn't be an issue, check /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/README.Debian.gz |
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| 15:34.22 | jpinx | BubbaT: basically no |
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| 15:34.43 | jpinx | BubbaT: unless you have x11vnc |
| 15:35.04 | guidvr_ | btw, pinging works between the machines |
| 15:35.13 | nkuttler | guidvr_: check the logs, ssh -vvv |
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| 15:35.33 | guidvr_ | i can get a connection with ssh btw but it refuses access |
| 15:36.32 | BubbaT | jpinx, what the hell are you talking about. |
| 15:36.35 | nkuttler | !tell guidvr_ about errors |
| 15:36.47 | themill | !debug sshd |
| 15:36.47 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 15:37.22 | Esto | is there any way to run some kind of check if files from installed packages are missing or differs and reinstall such packages? |
| 15:37.30 | dmarkey | how does one define a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:38.11 | nkuttler | Esto: debsums? |
| 15:38.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Esto about debsums |
| 15:38.29 | Esto | thanks |
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| 15:41.42 | xingu | dmarkey: bridge-utils-interfaces(5) |
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| 15:51.25 | guidvr_ | i used debug mode, it says authentication failure |
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| 15:53.10 | tuvwx | is there any log file that tells that a system halt was a result of a power outage? |
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| 15:53.47 | nkuttler | guidvr_: pastebin ssh -vvv host |
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| 15:54.28 | guidvr_ | nkuttler, i'm using putty on a windows machine as a client |
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| 15:54.47 | Smerdyakov | How can I debug a "shutdown -r now" that isn't making a reboot happen, over SSH? |
| 15:54.49 | asg | tuvwx: it should show 'crash' in the output of 'last reboot' |
| 15:55.03 | linduxed1 | on the following page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/bt-cd/ im greeted with 30 or more images, which one do i choose? |
| 15:55.31 | jescis | I can't seem to get x to come up. and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give me a chance to set my video drivers >.> what do I do? or what am I forgetting? |
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| 15:57.16 | nkuttler | linduxed1: netinst for a networked box |
| 15:57.26 | voodoor | what file contains the post login message? |
| 15:57.35 | nkuttler | voodoor: man motd |
| 15:57.43 | Etna | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.17 | Etna | Windows is not 8bit |
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| 16:01.43 | guidvr_ | nkuttler, btw sshd in debugmode says "failed none for guido from <ip> port 19858 ssh2", then authentication failure |
| 16:01.49 | tuvwx | asg: no 'crash' there: reboot system boot 2.6.26-2-amd64 Tue Jun 23 23:00 - 11:56 (1+12:56) |
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| 16:01.58 | guidvr_ | i can't copy/paste it unfortunatly |
| 16:02.18 | luckylucy | error deleting shadow password entry, how can i remedy this. |
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| 16:03.56 | tuvwx | asg: i have a bios password, so jun 23 was probably the time it attempted a boot after the power outage. i entered the password and completed the boot up not an hour ago |
| 16:04.14 | JPT | i'm having trouble compiling a module... can you please take a short look at it (http://nopaste.info/d2ad6bff50_nl.html) and tell me if the problem is in the code or somewhere else :) |
| 16:04.19 | plaur | luckylucy: did you use vipw? |
| 16:04.31 | asg | tuvwx: probably |
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| 16:05.45 | Gerrroooo | hello |
| 16:05.47 | tuvwx | asg: but why wouldn't it show 'crash' or any indication of a problem? it only shows 'system boot' |
| 16:06.01 | tingle | hi where do i need to put my bash alias so they keep remembered after i quit my terminal or restart xorg? |
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| 16:06.28 | Gerrroooo | Anyone know wherre I can modify the mode of my screen ? It s not detected correctly |
| 16:06.53 | nkuttler | tingle: ~/.bashrc, see man bash, invocation |
| 16:06.54 | luckylucy | plaur: no, useradd, userdel. thats it. |
| 16:07.20 | tingle | nkuttler: ty |
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| 16:07.27 | nkuttler | tuvwx: how exactly should the system write logs without power to the hd? |
| 16:07.49 | voodoor | nkuttler: I'm using mingetty to auto-login so maybe thats why its ignoring my motd? |
| 16:08.00 | nkuttler | voodoor: no idea |
| 16:08.03 | BubbaT | Sorry got dced so I will ask my question again. |
| 16:08.05 | BubbaT | How can you tell which xorg driver is being used? |
| 16:08.21 | nkuttler | BubbaT: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:08.23 | plaur | luckylucy: well, you might have to useradd the user back... in debian, adduser and deluser are preferred to useradd/userdel |
| 16:08.42 | luckylucy | what is the difference? |
| 16:08.46 | BubbaT | nkuttler, I can't tell from it. What should I be looking for. |
| 16:08.54 | nkuttler | luckylucy: man useradd/adduser |
| 16:09.14 | nkuttler | BubbaT: grep for Driver? |
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| 16:09.43 | Gerrroooo | My monitor is not know where can I set the modes ? |
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| 16:09.47 | luckylucy | useradd : user already exists, userdel: error deleting shadow entry. |
| 16:09.49 | plaur | luckylucy: adduser and deluser are friendlier frontends that also set permission, copy certain files, create groups, etc., according to config files and debian policy (see man pages for details) |
| 16:10.07 | nkuttler | Gerrroooo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:10.18 | Gerrroooo | How ? |
| 16:10.31 | Gerrroooo | There isnt the subSection display |
| 16:10.34 | plaur | luckylucy: did you edit just shadow? that doesn't look like calling userdel... :) |
| 16:10.40 | Gerrroooo | I must add it ? |
| 16:10.55 | nkuttler | Gerrroooo: try to google a config for your monitor/card |
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| 16:12.06 | nkuttler | !tell Gerrroooo about drxx |
| 16:12.06 | tuvwx | nkuttler: so when is it expected to say 'crash'? |
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| 16:12.06 | plaur | luckylucy: look if you have /etc/shadow- and what it contains... you might get away with copying that over /etc/shadow |
| 16:12.08 | Gerrroooo | I already seek on google |
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| 16:12.09 | norbert_ | hi all, I've created a video that shows the viewer how to install the most commonly used plug-ins for Iceweasel; not sure if anyone cares, but here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_schfaEt5I |
| 16:12.09 | Gerrroooo | I alredy done this comand |
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| 16:12.24 | norbert_ | (I show how to install the non-free Flash, because the free still isn't usable enough IMHO) |
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| 16:12.29 | Gerrroooo | but it dont ask me to set the mode just tell me about keyboard |
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| 16:12.38 | norbert_ | that was about it, so I'm off again :) |
| 16:12.48 | jescis | http://pastebin.ca/1474357 shows my .xsession-erros file. Do I need to redo anything? During setup I used the graphical install. Why doesn't X work now? -_- |
| 16:12.49 | themill | nkuttler: drxx is pretty useless for that in lenny |
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| 16:13.33 | nkuttler | gee, does X -configure not work any more? |
| 16:13.46 | igrek | Hello, please help me with NFS: I can't disable V4 support, although I can disable V3. What is the proper way to disable V4? |
| 16:13.55 | Gerrroooo | I dont try it |
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| 16:14.22 | Gerrroooo | What is X-configure ? |
| 16:14.34 | themill | nkuttler: it sometimes produces something useful.... perhaps we should have a different factoid for that since it's not really the spirit of drxx. |
| 16:14.38 | nkuttler | Gerrroooo: just add that subsection |
| 16:15.08 | dmarkey | does anyone know how to deal with a full lvm snapshot |
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| 16:15.26 | Gerrroooo | I must add the "X-Configure" subsection ? |
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| 16:16.01 | jescis | X is running I just get no visuals. :\ |
| 16:16.30 | nkuttler | Gerrroooo: why do you want to add a mode btw? |
| 16:16.51 | nkuttler | Gerrroooo: /msg dpkg resolution |
| 16:17.08 | Gerrroooo | because i m not using a normal mode and the monitor is blur |
| 16:17.22 | nkuttler | what's a normal mode? |
| 16:17.49 | Gerrroooo | An mode which dont stretch the screen |
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| 16:19.15 | Gerrroooo | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg dont add me the mod |
| 16:19.32 | plaur | Gerrroooo: which graphics card do you have? recent X.org versions can find out the proper modes from the monitor |
| 16:20.20 | Gerrroooo | I got a radeon 4870 and my monitor is a SyncMaster2253Lw |
| 16:20.42 | plaur | Gerrroooo: ouch... proprietary drivers, right? |
| 16:20.53 | Gerrroooo | yes |
| 16:21.06 | Gerrroooo | i dont know I installed fglrx |
| 16:21.22 | Gerrroooo | Fucking ati cards :O |
| 16:21.46 | plaur | Gerrroooo: perhaps ati's drivers come with some sort of tool to specify resolution? you might be better off asking on ati forums... |
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| 16:22.09 | Gerrroooo | Do u think an other drivers will work better ? |
| 16:22.37 | plaur | Gerrroooo: no, not really... are you using lenny? |
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| 16:22.57 | Gerrroooo | yes |
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| 16:23.38 | plaur | Gerrroooo: then, the proprietary drivers are the only ones that work with your card (besides vesa, which might work properly as resolution, but might be too slow) |
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| 16:25.03 | plaur | Gerrroooo: unstable (sid) has an open-source driver radeonhd that should (somewhat) work with your card, but... better try to make ati's drivers work in the right resolution |
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| 16:25.45 | Gerrroooo | ok |
| 16:26.31 | jescis | plaur, what about glibc 2.1 warning I get? |
| 16:26.33 | jescis | has a Radeon 9550 >.> |
| 16:27.03 | plaur | jescis: no idea, radeon 9250/lenny here :) |
| 16:27.14 | jescis | ahh |
| 16:27.20 | plaur | jescis: which warning? |
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| 16:27.51 | plaur | Gerrroooo: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - they also have links to ATI support... |
| 16:28.09 | jescis | the one that says the system has glibc 2.1 instead of the required 2.3-2.4 :\ |
| 16:28.12 | Gerrroooo | It s say me to run aticonfig --initial but when I do it, my screen display buged stuff |
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| 16:30.51 | plaur | dmarkey: there's a lvm howto on ldp.org, maybe that helps... |
| 16:31.31 | plaur | jescis: who says that? the proprietary drivers? |
| 16:32.37 | jescis | plaur, yes |
| 16:32.56 | plaur | jescis: if you got the generic fglrx from ati's site, it might expect a newer glibc than the one in lenny |
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| 16:33.53 | plaur | jescis: i think there's a fglrx package in debian (probably in non-free), that should work without such problems |
| 16:34.03 | themill | jescis: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
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| 16:35.15 | dpkg | oltreirc`17855: VATTENE VIA |
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| 16:39.07 | vlt | Hello. How to protect /etc/resolv.conf from being overwritten by DHCP? |
| 16:39.25 | vlt | DHCP for the the device is defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:39.35 | themill | dpkg: tell vlt about override dns |
| 16:39.40 | jescis | themill, I have lenny... and libc6 2.7-18 :\ |
| 16:39.48 | cahoot | vlt: try /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
| 16:39.59 | cahoot | sorry |
| 16:40.18 | themill | vlt: if you're using dhcp, then no settings from /e/n/interfaces are used anyway |
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| 16:44.20 | xhema | hey all, any ldap gurus around? |
| 16:45.37 | jescis | plaur, http://pastebin.ca/1474394 shows my /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log file. |
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| 16:46.51 | vlt | themill: I get "/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf line 22: semicolon expected." now. line 22: "supercede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" |
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| 16:47.18 | plaur | jescis: is this from the debian fglrx? i think you need to install module-assistant |
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| 16:48.06 | jescis | plaur, that was from running atis proprietary driver program |
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| 16:48.25 | themill | vlt: supersede not supercede |
| 16:49.01 | vlt | themill: That's what dpkg said ;-) |
| 16:49.03 | themill | vlt: btw why are you using localhost?# |
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| 16:49.17 | plaur | jescis: install module-assistant, i think it will get everything you need to build modules |
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| 16:49.20 | vlt | themill: Because it's my nameserver |
| 16:49.24 | themill | dpkg override dns =~ s/supercede/supersede/ |
| 16:49.24 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 16:49.25 | AJKhan | plaur, not rally |
| 16:49.40 | AJKhan | plaur, aptitude install module-assistant && sudo m-a prepare |
| 16:49.46 | themill | vlt: local caching nameserver like pdnsd or dnsmasq or something? |
| 16:49.55 | AJKhan | without prepare you won't get it to build your build dependencies |
| 16:50.04 | AJKhan | either that or you can install the dev yourself |
| 16:50.47 | plaur | AJKhan: right... non-debian fglrx probably doesn't know to call module-assistant... |
| 16:50.56 | jescis | waits while aptitude finishes its current task >.> |
| 16:50.58 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:51.00 | AJKhan | and if you have r5xx chipset on ATI radeon, and you're not on stable, you don't need fglrx |
| 16:51.03 | AJKhan | one more time |
| 16:51.05 | AJKhan | and if you have r5xx chipset on ATI radeon, and you're not on stable, you don't need fglrx |
| 16:51.09 | AJKhan | shall I say it again? |
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| 16:51.46 | vlt | themill: bind9 |
| 16:52.03 | jescis | AJKhan, does that apply to radeon 9550? |
| 16:52.07 | plaur | jescis: better just install fglrx from lenny and be done with it :) |
| 16:52.10 | AJKhan | jescis, yes |
| 16:52.21 | AJKhan | jescis, anything lower than or equal to r5xx |
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| 16:52.33 | themill | vlt: is this because you're running a server? (call me old fashioned, but why dhcp if it's a server). If it's not a server, then bind9 is probably overkill |
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| 16:52.57 | AJKhan | jescis, for 9550 I'm positive you don't need fglrx for 3d |
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| 16:53.04 | AJKhan | jescis, I'd ask in #radeon real quick |
| 16:53.13 | AJKhan | jescis, if you can avoid fglrx, please do so at all costs. |
| 16:53.42 | luckylucy | anyone in here know anything about a matchname failed error from samba log, i tried #samba with no luck. i cant even find what this means. |
| 16:53.54 | AJKhan | luckylucy, goodle the error message |
| 16:53.54 | plaur | AJKhan: second that... opens-ource drivers not the fastest, but they're stable |
| 16:53.55 | stew | jescis: check "man radeon" to see which cards/chipsets supported by the free drivers |
| 16:53.56 | jescis | AJKhan, my monitor is a 37" LCD TV >.> ;) |
| 16:54.06 | AJKhan | jescis, you need fglrx |
| 16:54.07 | AJKhan | :/ |
| 16:54.12 | AJKhan | ahhh boy. |
| 16:54.21 | vlt | themill: It's my main router, fw, and dns server. But I just changed one of the external lines from pppoe to cable modem (w/ dhcp). |
| 16:54.22 | AJKhan | jescis, sometimes its ok to use it becuase it works |
| 16:54.35 | jescis | AJKhan, right |
| 16:54.38 | AJKhan | jescis, I've not seen radeon provide a realiable connection to a very high res monitor |
| 16:54.47 | AJKhan | ever |
| 16:54.56 | AJKhan | fglrx on the other hand is fantastic |
| 16:54.59 | themill | vlt: ahh... sounds fun... :) |
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| 16:55.22 | stew | jescis: I use radeon with no problems on a high res monitor |
| 16:55.30 | AJKhan | jescis, I'd still ask #radeon though |
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| 16:55.47 | jescis | AJKhan, also, if I want to use compiz-fusion I need the drivers ;) |
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| 16:55.56 | luckylucy | AJKhan: i googled it many times, see other people with same answer, no solutions. |
| 16:55.57 | valdyn | very much doubt that fglrx supports radeon 9550 anyway |
| 16:56.04 | AJKhan | stew, my experience was a long time ago on x1900xt when radeon was very new (the r5x driver and on my 50" it didn't work AT ALL |
| 16:56.16 | AJKhan | stew, but I may look into it now since you say it works fine |
| 16:56.25 | plaur | anyone here using recent intel graphics, like G45? |
| 16:56.31 | stew | I've never had problems with it |
| 16:56.43 | stew | plaur: assume someone is and ask your real question |
| 16:56.44 | AJKhan | stew, which gfx are you using? |
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| 16:56.52 | valdyn | ive never hard cards not working with specific monitors |
| 16:56.54 | vlt | themill: There's this line in dhclient.conf: "request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu;" How to get rid of the "search ..." line in resolv.conf? Another "supersede" line or can I simply omit some of the requested values? |
| 16:56.59 | valdyn | ive never heard about cards not working with specific monitors |
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| 16:57.44 | AJKhan | valdyn, MostAwesomeDude (one of the radeon developers was helping me with my issue about large monitor and providing a good resolution, it was fail. |
| 16:57.54 | AJKhan | this was last year in the begining of it |
| 16:58.07 | plaur | do intel drivers work reliably with G45? lenny or sid? |
| 16:58.18 | AJKhan | valdyn, I'll try it again, if you guy say it works now, I'll check it out |
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| 17:01.47 | vlt | themill: Yes, removing "domain-name" works. |
| 17:01.54 | themill | vlt: I was about to say that supersede domain-name *might* work... |
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| 17:04.08 | vlt | themill: I figured out I don't even need the supersede line for DNS when not requesting it first. |
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| 17:04.28 | themill | even better... some dns servers take it upon themselves to tell you anyway though |
| 17:04.34 | vlt | themill: then resolv.conf isn't touched at all |
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| 17:06.32 | vlt | themill: Yeah. The problem in my case was: That line is not the default gw. So the DNS requests were sent out through another line and therefore rejected anyway |
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| 17:08.26 | vlt | themill: Thanks for your help. |
| 17:08.40 | themill | no worries, happy hunting |
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| 17:20.57 | nkuttler | vn: when do you expect it to run? |
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| 17:22.38 | jescis | AJKhan, btw... I still can't configure the drivers running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" :\ Also there is nothing appearing when I go to the X session... I get my monitor/tvs "no signal" when I alt+f7 :\ |
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| 17:23.16 | vn | nkuttler: on the 1st and 3rd saturday of each month |
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| 17:23.43 | AJKhan | jescis, true |
| 17:23.55 | AJKhan | jescis, you will not see it |
| 17:24.10 | AJKhan | jescis, you need to manually create a device section, and for the driver directive, specify fglrx |
| 17:24.20 | nkuttler | vn: looks ok to me. nothing in the logs? server down? |
| 17:24.24 | AJKhan | jescis, look at google on a sample xorg.conf so you can look at the device section |
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| 17:24.50 | shivraj | jelly-home: hello |
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| 17:25.22 | vn | nkuttler: server isnt down, other crons are working well, no logs |
| 17:25.23 | AJKhan | jescis, it happens to me too on my 50~ish" tv in the living room |
| 17:25.43 | AJKhan | jescis, it also happens on both my 24" lcs on my computer |
| 17:26.01 | AJKhan | I don't know why... and as soon I switch to DSUB instead of HTMI, voila, problem solved |
| 17:26.14 | AJKhan | but then its not digial... its always something or the other eh? |
| 17:26.15 | AJKhan | heh |
| 17:26.32 | jescis | AJKhan, amen! ;) |
| 17:26.47 | AJKhan | inf act |
| 17:26.52 | stew | jescis: try X -configure |
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| 17:27.04 | nkuttler | vn: it should run every saturday in fact |
| 17:27.16 | AJKhan | ahh yes, X -configure will create your xorg.conf and it will have almost EVERY single option etc. listed, but commented out |
| 17:27.25 | AJKhan | great way to get a fully fledged xorg.conf |
| 17:28.03 | jescis | stew, I did... it just gave out that X was running on display 0 :\ |
| 17:28.34 | stew | jescis: oh, if it is running, then can you show us the output of "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -q" ? |
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| 17:28.53 | AJKhan | jescis, I have 2 24" lcs i put to great use, in my internal network. I have 4 X servers running, 1 for desktop, 3 imported xdmcp sessions from elsewhere in the house |
| 17:28.55 | vn | nkuttler: why? I specified from the 1st to 7th month of the day and the 15th to the 22nd |
| 17:29.06 | vn | errr...day of the month* |
| 17:29.08 | nkuttler | vn: it's or, not and |
| 17:29.19 | nkuttler | vn: man 5 crontab |
| 17:29.23 | AJKhan | jescis, you can run as many X servers as you like too ! dun dun dun. |
| 17:30.00 | AJKhan | actually i still need to figure out how to copy/paste among all 4 xservers |
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| 17:31.29 | AJKhan | does anyone know of a shared clipboard tool one can use to copy paste among more than 1 Xserver on the same machine? |
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| 17:32.12 | AJKhan | I have 4 X servers running, 1 for desktop, 3 imported xdmcp sessions from elsewhere in the house and I'd like them all to have 1 shard clipboard if at all possible |
| 17:32.16 | AJKhan | please advise. |
| 17:32.56 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.06 | sylar | anyone know where this option is set? |
| 17:33.18 | sylar | org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others ? |
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| 17:33.54 | vn | nkuttler: man says "," is and and "-" is an interval and you can mix those.. |
| 17:34.20 | jescis | AJKhan, But I put the other ttys to use as other cli... only tty7 is left for X :\ |
| 17:35.05 | carrot | Hi... so my boss was mucking about with the partition table with parted and managed to delete 150GBs of data -- is there any way to recover from this? |
| 17:35.11 | carrot | (No, we don't have backups!) |
| 17:35.11 | jescis | although tty13+ could be used for X >.> |
| 17:35.16 | abrotman | carrot: tell him to do it? |
| 17:35.27 | JPT | mhh |
| 17:35.28 | carrot | abrotman: tell him to do... what? |
| 17:35.34 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's how you got into this mess :) |
| 17:35.43 | JPT | if you just killed the partitions in the partition table, you can try testdisk |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | carrot: did you format over the data ? |
| 17:35.56 | carrot | I'll have to ask |
| 17:36.04 | carrot | I just walked into work and he goes, "I fucked up" |
| 17:36.09 | JPT | Oo |
| 17:36.54 | sylar | carrot, if it is just the MBR that got overwritten then it is possible to restore it... somehow |
| 17:37.11 | abrotman | sylar: ITYM partition table |
| 17:37.38 | ranix | sylar: was there only one 150gb partition on the disk? |
| 17:37.42 | ranix | ehr |
| 17:37.50 | ranix | carrot: was there only one 150gb partition on the disk? |
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| 17:39.05 | sylar | abrotman, maybe... (I usually think about it as one thing) |
| 17:39.06 | jescis | AJKhan, I can't seem to get more the one display -_- |
| 17:39.21 | carrot | I'll post the output for parted into pastebin, one moment |
| 17:39.33 | ranix | carrot: pre-erasure? |
| 17:39.51 | gnat_x | i just picked up an external usb drive. i want to set it up, but am not sure what tool for patitioning to use. i'm really familiar with the one in the debian installer. is that available as a package to run off my existing sytem, or should i just use an installer? |
| 17:39.54 | valdyn | carrot: nothing is lost if he only fucked the partition table... |
| 17:40.06 | valdyn | carrot: and testdisk might even repair it automagically |
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| 17:40.48 | carrot | ranix, valdyn: he didn't format anything, it just shows empty space |
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| 17:41.38 | ranix | carrot: what you are pastebinning is the output of parted before, or after the thing was done |
| 17:41.44 | ranix | which |
| 17:41.54 | AJKhan | jescis, I cant seem to share a clip |
| 17:41.57 | AJKhan | :/ |
| 17:42.05 | AJKhan | board |
| 17:42.25 | carrot | ranix: the output afterwards |
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| 17:42.35 | ranix | jescis: I have gotten nx to share cliboards, but plain xdmcp I have not |
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| 17:42.54 | ranix | carrot: that won't help you find out what the structure was beforehand. Just fallow valdyn's advice and run testdisk |
| 17:43.07 | jescis | AJKhan, nano or some other editor make a great clip board ;) |
| 17:43.07 | carrot | ranix, valdyn, sylar, abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m4121177b |
| 17:43.29 | carrot | the 155GB free spot is what used to be a partition with our data |
| 17:44.03 | ranix | good lord what is this |
| 17:44.17 | jescis | ranix, I thought a clipboard was something text related? :\ |
| 17:44.52 | gnat_x | hrm. it seems that i want partman. is there a meta package that will allow me to do the crypto and lvm stuff i want to do, or will i need to get all the partman packages one by one? |
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| 17:45.56 | abrotman | carrot: i'd probably image the disk if you can store the image somewhere .. and then several people have suggested testdisk |
| 17:46.03 | JPT | yep |
| 17:46.11 | JPT | good luck :-) |
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| 17:46.32 | dustybin | why isnt debian mentioned on the super computer os list: |
| 17:46.33 | dustybin | http://www.top500.org/stats/list/33/os |
| 17:46.46 | valdyn | carrot: i would just create a partition at the old place, since the old palec seems obvious, but if you dont understand what exactly you are doing testdisk might be the better option |
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| 17:47.37 | carrot | I guess I'll try mucking about with testdisk first, and if I get desperate I'll try imaging it and then more drastic measures |
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| 17:48.16 | cahoot | dustybin: the 77% noted as linux is obviously woody |
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| 17:48.58 | valdyn | hardly a stock distro of any kind if it runs on a supercomputer |
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| 17:49.25 | valdyn | not redhat and not debian either |
| 17:49.30 | zleap | doesn't yellow dog run on clusters |
| 17:49.31 | dustybin | cahoot: LOL |
| 17:49.34 | zleap | e.g ps3 clusters |
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| 17:49.58 | valdyn | zleap: this isnt about clusters? |
| 17:50.05 | zleap | ok |
| 17:50.07 | zleap | sorry |
| 17:50.14 | valdyn | zleap: i dont know.. |
| 17:50.38 | phillipsm | is compiz in a standard debian install? i want to turn it on but i don't have internet to my debian box right now so i can't download it if its not |
| 17:50.54 | abrotman | i doubt it |
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| 17:51.40 | simonrvn | no, it's in optional... |
| 17:51.52 | simonrvn | or extra even |
| 17:52.13 | zleap | not sure if thats cos it needs propriatory drivers to work properly |
| 17:52.26 | phillipsm | ok thanks... i'm still struggling to get wireless configured so i don't have internet currently on it |
| 17:52.44 | simonrvn | optional.. |
| 17:53.09 | phillipsm | i think thats the only bad thing i have to say about debian over ubuntu...network configuration was a cinch in ubuntu |
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| 17:53.18 | phillipsm | with my wireless card anyways |
| 17:54.00 | mns | phillipsm: what card do you have ? |
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| 17:54.26 | phillipsm | hold on a sec |
| 17:54.52 | carrot | I swear, whenever I leave my boss alone with computers too long he starts breaking things |
| 17:55.05 | zleap | lol |
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| 17:55.20 | phillipsm | mns: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 17:56.12 | phillipsm | mns: i followed the deb wiki for atheros drivers and everything seemed to install ok but WICD doesn't show a network and I don't know how to set-up a connection with wpa2 using iwconfig |
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| 17:57.20 | mns | I used to use it with wpa_supplicant. worked fine with that. |
| 17:57.27 | mns | Never used it with wicd. |
| 17:57.36 | mns | don't have that laptop anymore as I changed jobs. |
| 17:57.46 | mns | have one with Intel wireless in it now. |
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| 17:58.14 | phillipsm | mns: icic my dad is the resident linux wiz that i know so i'm gonna try and have him look at it |
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| 17:58.29 | phillipsm | mns: ill look into wpa_supplicant also |
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| 17:59.55 | wekt | I am trying out gnome. What app do I need in order to configure a printer? I have CUPS already. I'm looking for some kind of 'control panel'/'system settings' program. |
| 18:00.11 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 18:00.11 | dpkg | well, cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>. |
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| 18:00.47 | wekt | valdyn: do you mean that there is only the web interface, no 'control panel'? |
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| 18:01.02 | valdyn | wekt: theres a few control panels |
| 18:01.26 | valdyn | judd: versions system-config-printer |
| 18:01.28 | judd | valdyn: system-config-printer -- lenny: 1.0.0-4 sid: 1.0.0-4 squeeze: 1.0.0-5 sid: 1.0.0-6 |
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| 18:06.52 | jescis | I got it(X) working \o/ |
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| 18:07.51 | jescis | Now if only I can change the sata drives permission to allow me to write to it >.> |
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| 18:09.56 | joshdavey | hey everyone, I just installed php5.3 RC4 and when I use PDO I get this error: Warning: PDO::__construct() [pdo.--construct]: [2002] No such file or directory (trying to connect via unix:///tmp/mysql.sock) |
| 18:10.10 | joshdavey | my local php5.3 RC4 works fine |
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| 18:12.34 | penguin__ | I installed phpmyadmin and it wont load on /localhost/phpmyadmin |
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| 18:15.31 | jescis | can I change file systems without losing my data? |
| 18:15.33 | abrotman | from what to waht? |
| 18:15.34 | jescis | abrotman, from vfat(fat32) to ext2/3 |
| 18:15.34 | abrotman | uh, no |
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| 18:15.50 | jescis | abrotman, I can't seem to change the permissions even as root for my sata drive :\ |
| 18:16.07 | asg | jescis: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 18:16.54 | jescis | even doing it in fstab will yeild nada -_- |
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| 18:17.24 | wekt | thanks valdyn |
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| 18:19.29 | rance | A google search for a problem I'm having turned up a google howto page. My problem is I need to install an OS from a DVD iso file without a DVD drive. The debian howto was about copying the *.iso to a usb thumb drive and making a boot floppy that loading the iso from the usb drive. My problem is that the OS .iso in question isn't linux, has anyone tried this tutorial on something other than linux or is it debian speciific? |
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| 18:22.34 | abrotman | rance: shouldn't you ask the channel related to whatever OS you're installing? |
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| 18:23.44 | styx_ | hi! i am on this tutorial http://blog.mafsw.de/tutorial/svn-subversion-mit-apache2-und-ssl-auf-einem-debian-system-sarge/ but for me "Test des Repositorys:" fails because of "The requested URL /svn/repos was not found on this server.". any suggestions? |
| 18:23.55 | rance | abrotman: I tried, but no one there knew anything, I just figured maybe there was a curios debian guy to tried something just to see if it would work |
| 18:24.20 | nix_chix0r | think i'm gettin rid of debian |
| 18:24.35 | abrotman | sorry to hear that |
| 18:24.58 | nix_chix0r | word |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | styx_: do you have any idea how old sarge is? |
| 18:25.29 | abrotman | rance: you'd probably have better luck with google given that it's not even linux |
| 18:26.00 | styx_ | abrotman, is there a newer version of this guide? |
| 18:26.31 | abrotman | i've never seen that guide |
| 18:26.48 | abrotman | styx_: tell us what you're actually trying to do .. and maybe we can point you in the right direction |
| 18:26.50 | gnat_x | i'm having trouble googling up good docs about partitioning a new disk on an already running system. anyone have good recommendations? i would like to use partman like in the installer. do lvm and crypo and all that good stuff. |
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| 18:27.37 | rance | ok, thanks for listening anyway |
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| 18:28.43 | abrotman | gnat_x: cfdisk <new drive> ? |
| 18:28.44 | styx_ | i want an svn repository for to share my java sources with a friend and to work together with him. so i created a debian 5.0 virual machine and tried to install apache2 and svn. apache 2 works but svn doesnt becaus of the error i said above |
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| 18:29.54 | gnat_x | abrotman: haven't tried that. will look. |
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| 18:30.24 | ajavid | oops |
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| 18:31.21 | gnat_x | abrotman: cool. this looks promising. thanks. |
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| 18:40.42 | gnat_x | so my new drive is much larger than the existing one. one of my eventual goals is to create a real RAID1 between the two. but since i'm on deadline for something else, right now i want to parition with that plan in mind and do a quick-n-dirty rsync backup in the free space that's left over. so if i'm doing that, and i look at the patition sizes for my existing disk, and use them to set the values of my new disk, i'm noticing size discrep |
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| 18:43.08 | styx_ | abrotman, you read what i wrote? |
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| 18:44.36 | abrotman | styx_: did you read the subversion docs ? |
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| 18:44.57 | styx_ | i read the guide |
| 18:45.16 | enouf | what guide? that's not "documentation" |
| 18:45.43 | enouf | ever hear of /usr/share/doc/ ? see the debian-reference |
| 18:45.45 | bkraptor | how can I check whether a certain Gnome bugfix was ported to debian? |
| 18:46.02 | greycat | run the application and see if it's got the bug |
| 18:46.12 | bkraptor | greycat: I don't have debian :) |
| 18:46.18 | enouf | bkraptor: check the changelog |
| 18:46.31 | bkraptor | enouf: how do I do that? |
| 18:46.36 | enouf | see the dev/changelog pages at p.d.o |
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| 18:46.42 | greycat | packages.debian.org |
| 18:46.47 | bkraptor | thanks |
| 18:47.16 | enouf | bkraptor: or check the BTS, all can be reached from where i mentioned though |
| 18:47.53 | bkraptor | enouf, greycat: I only have the link for the bugreport in bugzilla for gnome |
| 18:48.06 | bkraptor | I don't know whether there was a bug report opened for debian |
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| 18:48.22 | enouf | search for packagename at p.d.o. |
| 18:48.27 | bkraptor | I did |
| 18:48.32 | enouf | which is? |
| 18:48.35 | bkraptor | gvfs |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | bkraptor: what's the URL ? |
| 18:48.43 | bkraptor | one sec |
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| 18:49.31 | bkraptor | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580124 |
| 18:49.35 | bkraptor | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580125 |
| 18:49.36 | bkraptor | both |
| 18:50.02 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gvfs |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | bkraptor: and also .. which version of debian ? |
| 18:50.19 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gvfs/current/changelog |
| 18:50.29 | enouf | was that so hard? |
| 18:50.49 | bkraptor | enouf: I am on that page. how can I tell which of those changes is the one fixing my bug? |
| 18:50.55 | bkraptor | abrotman: testing |
| 18:51.03 | abrotman | judd: versions gvfs |
| 18:51.03 | judd | abrotman: gvfs -- lenny: 0.2.5-1.1 squeeze: 1.2.2-2 sid: 1.2.3-1 |
| 18:51.16 | enouf | for lenny; http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gvfs/gvfs_0.2.5-1.1/changelog |
| 18:51.29 | enouf | ahh crap |
| 18:51.48 | bkraptor | enouf: I can see that page. I just can't tell if and which of the fixes is for my bug |
| 18:51.54 | bkraptor | *are :) |
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| 18:52.52 | enouf | wait - that's the correct version for Lenny, IINM gvfs (0.2.5-1.1) unstable; urgency=high |
| 18:53.08 | bkraptor | enouf: I want to know if the bug is fixed in squeeze |
| 18:53.12 | enouf | it was in unstable in Oct 2008 when that was addded |
| 18:53.23 | enouf | check versions / dates |
| 18:53.59 | bkraptor | so I guess it's not in there |
| 18:54.13 | bkraptor | who can I ask for including this bugfix? |
| 18:54.13 | enouf | bkraptor: how am i supposed to know what your bug is? i never used gnome |
| 18:54.30 | enouf | file a bug report on BTS |
| 18:54.32 | bkraptor | enouf: I posted the 2 links in gnome bugzilla earlier |
| 18:54.48 | enouf | bkraptor: but i don't know a fucken thing about gnome |
| 18:55.37 | enouf | bkraptor: might try /msg dpkg gnome maybe someone there uses debian and would know |
| 18:56.07 | bkraptor | thanks, I'll try that |
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| 18:58.47 | abrotman | bkraptor: i'd imagine the fix will get there sooner or later .. do you need it now ? |
| 18:59.33 | bkraptor | abrotman: since I'm not using debian yet, no. I was just trying to see whether debian is faster at implementing upstream bugfixes than canonical/ubuntu |
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| 19:00.07 | abrotman | bkraptor: that'd depend on which version of debian/ubuntu you're using .. notice that there are three different versions of gvfs in debian currently |
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| 19:00.25 | bkraptor | abrotman: I'm using 1.2.2 I think, from ubuntu jaunty |
| 19:01.26 | enouf | bkraptor: do/did you also have a bug report with ubuntu/laucnhpad? |
| 19:01.33 | bkraptor | I do, yes |
| 19:01.43 | bkraptor | they refused to fix it for jaunty |
| 19:01.49 | bkraptor | "not enough requests" ffs |
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| 19:02.17 | nlindblad | Anyone using mod_mono successfully with Apache2 on Debian Etch? |
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| 19:03.59 | valdyn | bkraptor: debian doesnt apply fixes like that ever to stable releases |
| 19:04.40 | enouf | bkraptor: IINM, things like this within the changelog " * New upstream release." would mean, all changes upstream would propogate down, and, all other items listed are various other things done concerning Debian patching/releasing/bug fixing - but i'm not 100% certain |
| 19:04.58 | valdyn | enouf: 100% right though |
| 19:05.09 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 19:05.33 | bkraptor | enouf: thanks for the tip |
| 19:05.41 | bkraptor | valdyn: I only want it in testing, not stable |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | unless the packager were to remove the fix for whatever reason |
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| 19:05.57 | valdyn | bkraptor: thats up to the developer |
| 19:06.05 | enouf | so if your bug was fixed prior to -- Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:13:35 +0100 , then that version listed in the changelog gvfs (1.0.3-1) would contain the fix |
| 19:06.12 | valdyn | bkraptor: debian is done by volunteers, who can be on vacation or lazy or busy or whatever |
| 19:06.17 | valdyn | bkraptor: and this isnt a critical bug |
| 19:06.32 | enouf | (in that specific instance) bkraptor i'm looking through http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gvfs/current/changelog FWIW |
| 19:07.38 | enouf | ok, so my January date was too early, i see in your bugzila; 2009-04-26 12:21 UTC fixed (and tested on masterand 2.26 branch: |
| 19:07.39 | bkraptor | enouf: the latest new upstream release for testing is 27th april, so before my bug was fixed. guess it'll have to wait some more |
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| 19:08.01 | valdyn | !why is gfvs not in testing |
| 19:08.01 | dpkg | gfvs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gfvs |
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| 19:08.22 | enouf | so ... let's see if in the changelog - all things done after that date ; such as any " * New upstream release." |
| 19:08.23 | abrotman | bkraptor: it says the bug was fixed upstream 4/26 |
| 19:09.01 | bkraptor | abrotman: so that would mean squeeze has the bug fixed? |
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| 19:09.20 | bkraptor | I guess I'll just install squeeze in a vm and test it |
| 19:09.30 | enouf | 1 day - sheesh, talk about cutting it close :-O |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | bkraptor: i'm saying it's possible .. one day isn't a guarantee |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | bkraptor: probably be better for you to find out which upstream release of gvfs has the fix |
| 19:09.58 | valdyn | bkraptor: why dont you fix the bug and rebuild that package if its that important to you? |
| 19:10.00 | jesseboy | anyone know howto get this package if it seems like I already have version 6 after doing a find / -name libstdc++6 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 19:10.11 | enouf | but note; i see * New upstream release. as 1st in the list for that date |
| 19:10.15 | bkraptor | valdyn: I'm not smart enough to do that :) |
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| 19:10.46 | abrotman | jesseboy: what are you trying to fix? |
| 19:10.56 | debtest | Hi everyone, a small question about running a debian server without X, anyone ? |
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| 19:11.16 | greycat | Install the base system, then install what you need. |
| 19:11.32 | debtest | me ? |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:11.51 | abrotman | debtest: or ask your real question |
| 19:13.55 | jesseboy | abrotman: i need to install this HP package |
| 19:13.56 | jesseboy | and it requires that version |
| 19:13.56 | jesseboy | of the library to install |
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| 19:13.56 | debtest | well, the server runs on VMware, and it's fine, just, I wanted to increase the number of columns of the display |
| 19:13.56 | enouf | jesseboy: you sure you're not finding symlinks which point to other things? |
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| 19:13.57 | enouf | jesseboy: the -type f option would eliminate symlinks from the search results, IINM |
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| 19:14.29 | jesseboy | how woudl I nstall the package if I didn't have it? |
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| 19:15.23 | abrotman | jesseboy: what does it actually require? |
| 19:15.34 | abrotman | debtest: COLUMNS=xxx command ? |
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| 19:15.44 | enouf | debtest: in Console or X? you likely want to change your resolution |
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| 19:16.02 | abrotman | judd: versions libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
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| 19:16.03 | judd | abrotman: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 -- etch: 1:2.95.4-27 |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | jesseboy: that package only exists in etch |
| 19:16.13 | enouf | debtest: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 19:16.25 | jesseboy | do I need to update my sources.list then |
| 19:16.32 | jesseboy | to get this one? |
| 19:16.39 | debtest | enouf abrotman : I'll giv it a try now |
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| 19:16.58 | abrotman | jesseboy: you're on lenny ? |
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| 19:17.05 | jesseboy | yes i believe so |
| 19:17.07 | jesseboy | 5.0 |
| 19:17.12 | gnat_x | when trying to use sfdisk to mirror my current setup should i be worried about output like this: http://pastebin.com/d1f680d3 ... or just go ahead and use the force option? |
| 19:17.37 | abrotman | jesseboy: even if you did install it, there's no guarantee it would run .. what is this HP package for ? |
| 19:17.50 | jesseboy | yah they said I should run 4.0 etch |
| 19:17.58 | simonrvn | lemme guess, a printer |
| 19:17.59 | jesseboy | but I put the latest version on |
| 19:18.02 | jesseboy | no |
| 19:18.07 | jesseboy | hp monitoring tools for the server |
| 19:18.09 | jesseboy | RAID etc. |
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| 19:18.32 | simonrvn | and they don't have a lenny version? maybe they should update their software.... |
| 19:18.40 | simonrvn | sighs |
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| 19:19.11 | enouf | debtest: it's as simple as appending a vga=NNN option to your kernel line - no need to go crazy with update-grub and such if this is a VM you're going to toss or whatver |
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| 19:19.20 | jesseboy | so is that what I need to do to get this to work is install etch 4.0? |
| 19:19.25 | enouf | gnat_x: so sda now has no partition table? |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | jesseboy: you can try to download the package from http://packages.debian.org/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ... no guarantee it will work or install correctly |
| 19:19.45 | debtest | abrotman > tried a "export COLUMNS=120" can't see a difference. |
| 19:19.55 | simonrvn | jesseboy: no, try installing it like abrotman said |
| 19:19.59 | jesseboy | k |
| 19:20.10 | simonrvn | no guarantee, period. |
| 19:20.28 | enouf | gnat_x: you could transfer the table using -d in sfdisk - the examples are clear in man sfdisk |
| 19:20.38 | simonrvn | "Debian comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law." /etc/motd |
| 19:20.46 | enouf | gnat_x: are the disks the same size? make/model? |
| 19:20.48 | debtest | enouf > what I thought but if I need to pass parameters to the kernel I probably have to tell grubb no? |
| 19:20.50 | gnat_x | enouf: sda has a partition table. sdb does not (its a new disk) i'm trying to copy sda's partition table to sdb, so that i can go back and create a degraded RAID 1 between the two, when i have time to get my head around doing it properly. |
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| 19:21.48 | enouf | debtest: yes, but i always do it manually (and edit manually my kernel lines and # groot and # kopt=root= lines) |
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| 19:22.23 | gnat_x | enouf: no definitely not the same size or model. i've read, and have talked to other folks that have done what i'm thinking of. will consult them further. for now, i just want to match the partition setup on my current disk with an eye towards doing it right later, and use the remaining free space on sdb to do a quick-n-dirty rsync backup, which is long overdue. |
| 19:22.39 | enouf | gnat_x: well, your command output seems incomplete - i wouldn't use it |
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| 19:22.59 | debtest | enouf> how ca I pass the kernel some new parameters then ? |
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| 19:23.26 | enouf | gnat_x: the -d option will do that |
| 19:24.09 | enouf | debtest: i just told you how |
| 19:24.49 | debtest | sounds fair, I'm gonna google that ^^ |
| 19:24.54 | debtest | thanks guys |
| 19:25.05 | enouf | debtest: here's my kernel line |
| 19:25.05 | gnat_x | enouf: cool. my main question is that it doesn't like hem because of the cylinder boundry difference. i tried it with --force and it looked ok. just double checking that i'm not asking for trouble further down the line |
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| 19:26.20 | nlindblad | Would it be advicable to upgrade a production server from Etch to Lenny? |
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| 19:26.50 | debtest | enouf > Ok. |
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| 19:26.57 | enouf | gnat_x: see , the issue is, you have some important data on sda, and using -d on sda itself (export and import) might fix that cylinder boundary issue - it never caused me issues, but the man sfdisk page WARNS of possible bad things |
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| 19:27.37 | gnat_x | nlindblad: yeah probably. i've pushed servers up through debian versions with much success. |
| 19:27.39 | abrotman | nlindblad: are you worried that it's delicate ? |
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| 19:28.19 | wekt | I have many gtk2-theme-engines installed and see no entries for them under 'Appearances'. How can I activate them? |
| 19:28.35 | gnat_x | enouf: thanks. that makes sense. if i need to start over with the new drive at some point in the next couple weeks, there's worse things. live and learn and all that. |
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| 19:29.27 | nlindblad | abrotman: I've had bad experiences of upgrading to new releases with Ubuntu, Fedora and SuSE in the past |
| 19:29.39 | nlindblad | abrotman: But I guess Debian is the one distro were it should work :) |
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| 19:29.49 | abrotman | nlindblad: i've done quite a few boxes here .. only had one issue that was probably my fault |
| 19:29.58 | abrotman | oh .. two .. but that was also my fault |
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| 19:30.25 | abrotman | well .. not my fault .. but not knowing something |
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| 19:31.04 | abrotman | nlindblad: is it a pretty basic server ? |
| 19:31.22 | debtest | enouf> Did you send your kernel line ? |
| 19:31.35 | tiyowan | I'm thinking about running the 2.6.30 kernel with lenny - if you've tried this, I'd appreciate your thoughts. |
| 19:31.36 | enouf | 15:15 root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic |
| 19:31.43 | debtest | thanks |
| 19:31.45 | cahoot | nlindblad: no gallery2 ? |
| 19:32.02 | enouf | debtest: you don't need the acpi= and lapic stuff |
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| 19:32.23 | debtest | enouf > didn't see it oO, thanks I apply and reboot :p |
| 19:34.11 | jesseboy | thanks guys |
| 19:34.13 | jesseboy | that worked |
| 19:34.18 | jesseboy | the libc++ install |
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| 19:35.44 | nlindblad | cahoot, abrotman: It's just for basic LAMP. But the upgrade is necessary for getting ASP.NET working correctly through mod_mono |
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| 19:36.07 | abrotman | nlindblad: if you can, make a backup, just in case .. but otherwise .. you sohuld be fine i'd guess |
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| 19:36.33 | nlindblad | abrotman: Databases, apache configuration and /var/www is backed up daily |
| 19:36.50 | abrotman | don't see why not |
| 19:36.51 | debtest | enouf > you said update-grub"ing" was useless ? |
| 19:37.07 | abrotman | etch is only planned to have security updates for another nine months or so |
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| 19:37.15 | enouf | gnat_x: fwiw, using rsync or any other FS based backup, from one disk to another, doesn't require the same partition tables |
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| 19:37.47 | enouf | debtest: not useless!, just not needed for your vmware booting or whatever |
| 19:37.53 | nlindblad | abrotman: Thanks for your advice :) |
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| 19:38.28 | debtest | enouf> the thing is, I update-grub"ed" the the vga=791 vanished oO |
| 19:38.48 | debtest | I'll try without |
| 19:38.56 | enouf | debtest: vga=791 is a standard 1024x768x16bit resolution, and works on most decent displays - but you need specifics of your monitor/display if you have oddball resolutions |
| 19:39.16 | gnat_x | enouf: yup. doing degraded raid 1 is more about taking on a hard project and learning something than getting the backup. but thanks for the word of help. |
| 19:39.18 | enouf | debtest: then you need to learn which settings in menu.lst caused that |
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| 19:40.07 | enouf | gnat_x: oh degraded raid1? i must've missed that ... oh well, still shouldn't matter for FSlevel copying |
| 19:40.15 | enouf | just slow maybe :-p |
| 19:40.20 | tomaw | Irssi::print("$0"); |
| 19:40.22 | debtest | enouf> the host is fair, and anyhow since it's a VM it shouldn't be a problem, I'll try 800x600 |
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| 19:41.06 | bkraptor | how can I find out for which font a generic name like "monospace" is an alias for? |
| 19:41.22 | debtest | enouf > it worked \o/ |
| 19:41.31 | debtest | Thanks again all |
| 19:42.30 | debtest | No upgade-grub"ing" this time |
| 19:42.38 | debtest | have a nice day :) |
| 19:43.27 | enouf | debtest: it's very likely your # kopt=root= line is causing that |
| 19:43.55 | debtest | enouf > dunno what this line is about actually |
| 19:44.10 | enouf | it tells you ! ;-) |
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| 19:44.28 | enouf | debtest: and do not remove the one leading # |
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| 19:46.24 | debtest | another question then, not specific to debian but hey why would you use something else than a debian at work? right ? |
| 19:46.42 | pshlos_ | hi. i have lenny 5.01 and a sb audigy sound card but it seems i can't get a full 5.1 sound but just 3.1. i checked all mixers like alsamixer and everything seems to be fine. the driver it's using is emu10k1. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 19:47.14 | asg | debtest: there may be requirements to run RHEL to support some software; we have a few systems like that. |
| 19:48.02 | debtest | asg> Me too But we're not really proud of it ^^ |
| 19:48.37 | asg | debtest: agreed but I'd choose that over running it on Windows in most cases |
| 19:49.10 | debtest | We're using several Windows server too, but hey, I'm French :D |
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| 19:49.43 | asg | debtest: nothing wrong with being French |
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| 19:50.39 | groton | hi all. When i maximize a window using the gnome-desktop, the window expand to fit the whole screen, and the top window caption is under the top Gnome menu bar, and the same thing for the bottom part of the window. How to fix this? I am using last version of package of Debian/Testing |
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| 19:51.04 | carlitos__ | any idea how to broadcast in debian ? |
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| 19:51.15 | asg | carlitos__: broadcast what? |
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| 19:51.45 | carlitos__ | asg from a tv card , or video |
| 19:51.48 | debtest | asg> I have a lot of wrong things about being French, but it might not be the right place. |
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| 19:52.06 | carlitos__ | asg is that possible ? |
| 19:52.19 | asg | debtest: #debian-offtopic is the recommended place for such discussions |
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| 19:52.32 | asg | carlitos__: I'd look at vlc |
| 19:52.51 | carlitos__ | vlc uhmm another one |
| 19:52.53 | carlitos__ | ? |
| 19:52.54 | enouf | pshlos_: not sure, but you might need a set a 'parm' $ modinfo snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:53.25 | debtest | So We'd like the check wether our ISP is not messing with us about the QoS on our MPLS WAN. And I'd like to monitor network flows without using Netflow <== debian-offtopic I guess |
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| 19:53.57 | debtest | I'll try that :) bye all |
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| 19:54.38 | Appiah_ | Just did a fresh install of lenny , and selected Desktop and nothing else, when I boot and logon and type startx all i get is X: user not autherized to run the X server |
| 19:54.47 | enouf | carlitos__: you mean like shoutcast/icecast things? also see #v4l perhaps |
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| 19:54.50 | pshlos_ | enouf: what do u mean? |
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| 19:55.15 | styx_ | how can i install subversion 1.6.2 on debian lenny? |
| 19:55.17 | enouf | pshlos_: modules take parms (parameters) |
| 19:55.21 | enouf | options |
| 19:55.33 | enouf | styx_: cehck bpo |
| 19:55.41 | enouf | !bpo |
| 19:55.41 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 19:55.45 | styx_ | or better how can i upgrade from 1.5.2 |
| 19:56.03 | pshlos_ | enouf: i think that all params are autoloaded |
| 19:56.20 | enouf | if not there, you might want to try backporting it yourself ... are you up to it? :-P |
| 19:56.27 | themill | styx_: why do you want to? (I suspect it's going to be pretty difficult) |
| 19:57.00 | ranix | well it's not that difficult |
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| 19:57.03 | enouf | pshlos_: even enable_ir is too? do you understand what i mean? |
| 19:57.07 | ranix | if you're familiar with compiling |
| 19:57.14 | ranix | but, the reason should be questioned |
| 19:57.28 | pshlos_ | enouf: no i don't. |
| 19:57.47 | styx_ | i've got no real reason, i only read, that there is version 1.6.2 and i've gt 1.5.1 |
| 19:57.49 | themill | ranix: istr it's more than a "simple sid backport" and rebuilding all the apache modules etc gets pretty boring |
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| 19:58.32 | enouf | pshlos_: start with the top of /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt as it pertains to built in modules and modules built along side that can be rmmod/insmod (with modprobe) |
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| 19:58.39 | carlitos__ | enouf: yeah |
| 19:59.07 | carlitos__ | in winbug I can see alot of packages but linux no so much :( |
| 19:59.27 | enouf | pshlos_: debian uses the /etc/modprobe.d/ dir to contain all various modules that need explicit options passed to them |
| 19:59.57 | ro9er9 | does anybody know why netstat shows local port 2546 for Kopete when is set 5222 in client |
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| 20:05.00 | enouf | ro9er9: netstat -tunap as root |
| 20:05.24 | enouf | ro9er9: use a pastebin |
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| 20:07.19 | jesseboy | how would I know if the libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 installe correctly after a dpkg --install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
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| 20:09.33 | adb | jesseboy: bebootstrap etch , and install it |
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| 20:12.03 | CcSsNET | hi all |
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| 20:12.55 | jesseboy | bebootstrap? |
| 20:12.59 | CcSsNET | id like to inform the developers of the installer for the cd, they have some major major issues |
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| 20:13.54 | CcSsNET | first off i have not used a current installer cd since aug 1 2007 daily build. it simply WORKS "boots" and is not a dumbed down boot menu |
| 20:14.16 | adb | CcSsNET: you risk to be banned , again |
| 20:14.21 | CcSsNET | i assure you the current installer cds are a failure |
| 20:14.31 | CcSsNET | thats nice adb im trying to help |
| 20:15.19 | adb | anyways you file a bug report , that's all |
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| 20:16.05 | CcSsNET | irc is simpliar |
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| 20:17.07 | themill | CcSsNET: no-one here is listening. Please write a detailed bug report with constructive suggestions and enough information to be useful. /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 20:18.07 | stew | CcSsNET: file the bug against the "debian-installer" pseudo package |
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| 20:21.18 | adb | jesseboy: debootstrap , sorry |
| 20:21.38 | CcSsNET | ok ill file a bug report this once -.- irc is my bug reporting |
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| 20:23.52 | adb | jesseboy: try /msg dpkg about debootstrap |
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| 20:26.30 | patinhas | hi |
| 20:26.52 | patinhas | anybody knows if there is a flag in lynx that defines the local internet interface to use? |
| 20:26.57 | patinhas | I can't find any in the man page |
| 20:27.00 | propellerhead | hello people |
| 20:27.09 | patinhas | hello propellerhead |
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| 20:27.53 | propellerhead | I need help to reactive a RAID5 with mdadm |
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| 20:28.21 | propellerhead | The original RAID had 4 devices |
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| 20:28.59 | jccampbell | does debian have anything like update-grub but for syslinux |
| 20:29.07 | propellerhead | In this momment I have only 2 devices |
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| 20:29.48 | propellerhead | One disk is out |
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| 20:30.26 | propellerhead | And and another had diferent "Update Time" |
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| 20:31.16 | JyZyXEL | sudo mv /usr/bin/xdg-open /usr/bin/xdg-open2; sudo ln -s /usr/bin/iceweasel /usr/bin/xdg-open |
| 20:31.21 | JyZyXEL | i fixd it! :D |
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| 20:37.15 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:37.20 | carrot | Now that I've got my system to authenticate against Active Directory for user/pass, it no longer recognizes local users as having valid passwords, and I am certain that there is no username conflicts -- any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 20:37.55 | amf | How do I get X to accept it to run things through $DISPLAY when I don't have access from X? |
| 20:38.22 | amf | I used dpkg's advice from mit-magic-cookie export, but that doesn't work |
| 20:38.49 | greycat | amf: are you trying to run things on some run-by-you X xsession, as root, from a script/text console? |
| 20:38.51 | eptalon | amf: what do you mean? |
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| 20:39.49 | eptalon | Oh, btw. Crashing flashplugin in a 64 bit env. a known issue (on sid)? |
| 20:39.51 | amf | Yes, I started X, found a bug in a locking daemone for E17, and now I can't unlock my screen, so I'm going to try using a enlightenment_remote to talk to the E WM, but I can't run it because setting DISPLAY isn't enough |
| 20:40.09 | valdyn | eptalon: im sure crashing flash is known issue everywhere |
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| 20:40.36 | eptalon | valdyn: it works in that other os I dare not mention. |
| 20:40.46 | craigevil | flash is supposed to crash , thats how it is made |
| 20:40.53 | valdyn | eptalon: native plugin will probably crash less if you use the native 64-bit plugin, if you arent already using that one |
| 20:41.15 | eptalon | valdyn: how do I see what plugin I am using? |
| 20:41.33 | valdyn | i read some of what the flash dev blogged, that was hilarious or sad, depending on viewpoint |
| 20:41.49 | valdyn | eptalon: file /path/to/flashplugin |
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| 20:42.00 | valdyn | eptalon: the file is listed in about:plugins |
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| 20:44.53 | valdyn | propellerhead: your raid is fucked, you need to seek expert advice on site |
| 20:45.29 | eptalon | propellerhead: whats the issue with your raid? |
| 20:46.07 | valdyn | propellerhead: but if that is just your porn collection you can assemble the raid or 3 of 4 disks ignoring just some data being broken |
| 20:47.01 | eptalon | valdyn: ./lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
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| 20:47.24 | tingle | is there a way i can view pdfs in firefox? |
| 20:47.28 | valdyn | eptalon: ok then, all you could do is use a newer version of that native plugin |
| 20:47.45 | valdyn | eptalon: but you cant fix that adobe does not produce adecent flash plugin |
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| 20:48.18 | valdyn | tingle: theres quite a few plugins for that purpose |
| 20:48.27 | craigevil | tingle: mozplugger or the pdf download extension are the easiest ways then you can use whatever pdf app you want |
| 20:48.32 | valdyn | !tell tingle -about search |
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| 20:49.16 | valdyn | using the solution that doesnt open *in* firefox is probably better imo |
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| 20:50.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | !fuck you |
| 20:50.09 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
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| 20:50.41 | carrot | lol |
| 20:51.14 | nkuttler | !lol |
| 20:51.14 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:51.23 | Toba_ | lol |
| 20:51.36 | carrot | well then |
| 20:51.38 | carrot | <g> |
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| 20:52.13 | DetroitLibertyPe | !AOL |
| 20:52.13 | dpkg | aol is, like, America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet. |
| 20:52.38 | carrot | hey anybody ever remember aol channels? |
| 20:52.46 | carrot | why can't i use aol on linux :( |
| 20:52.54 | greycat | Please stop trolling. |
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| 20:53.12 | kingpin2 | how do I block IP's via iptables |
| 20:53.15 | kingpin2 | I did iptables -I INPUT -D 212.117.171.146 -j DROP |
| 20:53.17 | kingpin2 | its not working |
| 20:53.26 | kingpin2 | some idiot spammed me 15K images that r bad + counting |
| 20:53.32 | valdyn | kingpin2: reread what INPUT catches |
| 20:53.38 | nameless` | do anyone know where i can find a list of the distribution of all the ip range in the Internet ? |
| 20:53.40 | Toba_ | that only works if it's going to the IP of your router |
| 20:53.44 | Toba_ | do the same thing for FORWARD |
| 20:53.47 | nameless` | something visual would be better from IANA to LIR, RIR ISP |
| 20:53.48 | Toba_ | rather than INPUT |
| 20:53.51 | Toba_ | and it should work |
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| 20:54.16 | kingpin2 | iptables v1.4.2: Can't use -D with -I |
| 20:54.17 | nameless` | kingpin2, you can also use a gui, firestarter |
| 20:54.18 | kingpin2 | so what can it use? |
| 20:54.33 | kingpin2 | iptables -I INPUT -s 25.55.55.55 -j DROP |
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| 20:55.08 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:56.42 | carrot | Now that I've got my system to authenticate against Active Directory for user/pass, it no longer recognizes local users as having valid passwords, and I am certain that there is no username conflicts -- any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 20:57.08 | Toba_ | you're doing this by configuring pam.d, yes? |
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| 20:57.33 | Toba_ | vim /etc/pam.d/system-auth |
| 20:57.56 | Toba_ | or are you doing something else entirely? |
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| 20:58.20 | pablo | hi, ext2 file system doesn have a counter of amount of mounts? |
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| 20:58.44 | greycat | I think it does. |
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| 20:59.16 | greycat | Or maybe it just has "days since last fsck". I'm not 100% sure. |
| 20:59.31 | eptalon | greycat: it is mounts. |
| 20:59.32 | carrot | Toba_: i edited three of the /etc/pam.d/common-* |
| 20:59.45 | ajay | hi ther... I hav 3 accounts on my system to login into debian. I wanna know where is details like who is logged in presently stored. i mean in which file. |
| 20:59.47 | lostson | has anyone tried to sync their blackberry with lenny and if so were you successful ? |
| 20:59.49 | OpenTokix | greycat: Days?! Hours! oh, you wrote fsck, nevermind |
| 20:59.57 | pablo | greycat: mm, i dont know why my ext2 partition has only one mount, and the rest have 9 |
| 21:00.08 | greycat | OpenTokix: I wish it were hours.... |
| 21:00.08 | Toba_ | carrot: uh, turns out I'm busy, good luck. |
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| 21:00.25 | carrot | Toba_: okay thanks ;p |
| 21:00.34 | greycat | pablo: was it recently fsck-ed? |
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| 21:00.54 | ajay | hi ther... I hav 3 accounts on my system to login into debian. I wanna know where is details like who is logged in presently stored. i mean in which file. |
| 21:01.13 | greycat | ajay: man utmp |
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| 21:01.52 | pablo | greycat: no |
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| 21:05.28 | pablo | greycat: no, i have an ext2 partition with the /boot, but watching its info it says mount count: 1. is that somethig wrong? there was no fsck recently |
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| 21:11.40 | SerajewelKS | is squeeze settling down yet? |
| 21:11.56 | azeem_ | SerajewelKS: no |
| 21:12.04 | OpenTokix | SerajewelKS: normal release-cycle is about 18 months |
| 21:12.12 | arcsky | hello can anyone be nice and help me with sources.list, i got problem when i do apt-get update... http://pastebin.com/m509ac6c4 |
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| 21:13.25 | craigevil | arcsky: try a different mirror |
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| 21:15.31 | arcsky | same problem when i use ftp.se.debian.org |
| 21:15.53 | SerajewelKS | OpenTokix: i know what the release cycle is |
| 21:16.13 | SerajewelKS | i'm asking if squeeze is over the post-release burst of packages |
| 21:16.15 | pablo | hi, a mounted filesystem should be in not clean state? |
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| 21:18.28 | valdyn | pablo: if it is mounted rw *and* if something was written to it |
| 21:18.28 | valdyn | pablo: making it unclean before both is the case would be silly, wouldnt it |
| 21:18.29 | jleedev | when an ext2 fs is mounted, though, it updates the number/timestamp of mounts. does that count? |
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| 21:18.47 | valdyn | jleedev: i would say that is filesystem driver specific |
| 21:19.03 | valdyn | jleedev: i wouldnt be surprised if they changed that |
| 21:19.13 | ajay | greycat: I wanna use the username in c program but dono how can i retrieve it |
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| 21:20.15 | valdyn | ajay: have you googled that problem? |
| 21:20.48 | pablo | valdyn the /boot partition says unclean but the /home and / says clean, something strange right? |
| 21:21.08 | valdyn | pablo: maybe |
| 21:21.09 | ajay | did get anything |
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| 21:21.29 | valdyn | ajay: this should be posix functions |
| 21:21.33 | pablo | valdyn: maybe? |
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| 21:21.35 | ajay | valdyn: sry didnt get anything |
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| 21:23.15 | valdyn | ajay: http://cplus.kompf.de/posixlist.html |
| 21:24.03 | valdyn | ajay: the "who" program is written in C too |
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| 21:25.23 | arcsky | "E: The package hamachi needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." i got problem with apt-get |
| 21:25.37 | arcsky | apt-get --reinstall hamachi doesnt work |
| 21:25.52 | valdyn | !judd: versions hamachi |
| 21:25.56 | valdyn | judd: versions hamachi |
| 21:25.56 | judd | valdyn: hamachi -- |
| 21:26.01 | valdyn | arcsky: not in debian |
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| 21:26.17 | carlitos__ | que es hamachi? |
| 21:26.32 | valdyn | carlitos__: cheap vpn |
| 21:26.40 | carlitos__ | vpn ? |
| 21:26.43 | valdyn | carlitos__: cheap to set up i mean |
| 21:26.46 | valdyn | !vpn |
| 21:26.47 | dpkg | vpn is, like, see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or ask me about <openvpn>. |
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| 21:27.07 | carlitos__ | what about ssh ? |
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| 21:27.14 | carlitos__ | thats better I guess |
| 21:27.17 | sarguru | y dont u try open vpn |
| 21:27.29 | sarguru | ts available in deban |
| 21:27.31 | valdyn | carlitos__: no its not better, its entirely different in its purpose |
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| 21:27.35 | sarguru | *debian |
| 21:27.48 | ajay | valdyn thanx got it |
| 21:28.13 | arcsky | " not in debian" ? |
| 21:28.16 | carlitos__ | valdyn: why ? specific? |
| 21:28.25 | valdyn | carlitos__: google it |
| 21:28.32 | carlitos__ | damm :D |
| 21:28.32 | valdyn | carlitos__: wikipedia it |
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| 21:28.56 | robert__1 | heyas again |
| 21:29.29 | Chmou | hiya |
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| 21:31.15 | asterisc | hi guys. I have a problem with a keyboard layout in a debian sid vmware image. Anybody here willing to help? |
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| 21:33.41 | xingu | asterisc: usual answer is on the host running the console plugin replace .vmware/config with a one-line "xkeymap.nokeycodeMap = true" |
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| 21:35.18 | asterisc | xingu: so the host machine is using linux, and vmplayer. I downloaded a debian lenny, with a german keyboard layout and gnome. I purged gnome, I installed kde and updated it to sid, and I got it in English |
| 21:35.26 | farid | hello nice people |
| 21:36.07 | asterisc | xingu: but the keyboad layout is still german, with ugly mappings. I tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data, same for console-common, locale-gen, and some more localization instructions I found |
| 21:36.08 | farid | i need to install debian in PIII 886 |
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| 21:36.13 | asterisc | xingu: but with no luck |
| 21:36.33 | asterisc | xingu: sorry, the hosting machine is using Windows XP |
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| 21:37.30 | farid | i need to install light debian |
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| 21:37.52 | farid | and i need to know how to find driver for 3G modem |
| 21:38.00 | vlt | Hello. On Debian lenny I have 3 lines to different ISPs (1 pppoe, and 2 ip). I'm looking for a way to establish a connection to another machine "outside" (running etch) and use all 3 lines to build a virtual (faster and redundant) network device. Any idea? |
| 21:38.03 | farid | can some one give |
| 21:38.15 | doglino | #flood |
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| 21:38.35 | nkuttler | farid: google model/chipset + linux |
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| 21:39.18 | farid | but i need first light debian |
| 21:39.24 | farid | for PIII 886 |
| 21:39.36 | nkuttler | farid: you have a wired network? |
| 21:39.48 | farid | NOT 3G |
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| 21:40.08 | farid | we use cell connection |
| 21:40.33 | farid | HSPA USB MODEM |
| 21:40.34 | nkuttler | farid: no idea. figure out which kernel supports your hardware and ask again which installer to use |
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| 21:41.10 | farid | ok thanks |
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| 21:41.17 | farid | but light debian |
| 21:41.19 | farid | ? |
| 21:42.01 | nkuttler | !tell farid about netinst |
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| 21:42.58 | pherthyl | anyone know what's up with debian-multimedia? |
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| 21:43.19 | craigevil | pherthyl: works fine here i just did apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:45.02 | farid | nkuttler: thanks i find it |
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| 21:46.24 | Sikander | hey guys, how can I install nzbget with apt? |
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| 21:47.11 | dustybin | is 2.6.26-1-686 the latest kernel version for debian lenny? |
| 21:47.16 | Sikander | Can't seem to find it (apt-get install nzbget or nzb-get or whatever) |
| 21:47.19 | nkuttler | !tell Sikander about search |
| 21:47.25 | nkuttler | Sikander: it's not necessarily packaged |
| 21:47.37 | Sikander | ah... |
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| 21:47.43 | lostson | dustybin: no 2.6.26.-2 is |
| 21:47.46 | Sikander | Is there an alternative? |
| 21:47.49 | carlitos__ | ssh its better than vpn |
| 21:48.17 | craigevil | Sikander: nzp? |
| 21:48.57 | Sikander | ?nzp? |
| 21:49.21 | craigevil | opps sorry nzb - An nzb based Usenet binary grabber |
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| 21:49.30 | dustybin | lostson: why hasnt my system updated it? |
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| 21:49.38 | SerajewelKS | hmm, on squeeze it's difficult to install gnome-desktop-environment and network-manager-gnome... |
| 21:50.19 | Sikander | craigevil: ah, thanks. But it seems to have a shit-load of dependencies (qt?!) I'm not running X |
| 21:50.29 | pherthyl | craigevil: hmm.. it's been down for over a week here |
| 21:50.44 | Sikander | nkuttler: thanks, I'm relatively new to apt, didn't know about apt-cache search |
| 21:51.16 | pherthyl | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ is down too for me.. |
| 21:51.23 | pherthyl | can't resolve the name |
| 21:51.25 | craigevil | Sikander: there is also hellanzb and lottanzb not sure if they need X |
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| 21:51.41 | lostson | dustybin: dont know |
| 21:51.45 | craigevil | pherthyl: loads fine for me just tried it |
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| 21:52.00 | Sikander | craigevil: thanks, I'll try one of those |
| 21:52.29 | pherthyl | weird. |
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| 21:52.38 | Sikander | I have another question: why is dhcp3 the default while dhcpcd does allow to send the hostname without problems? |
| 21:53.07 | Sikander | It took me hours to get dhcp3 to send the hostname, gave up, installed dhcpcd and it immediately worked... |
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| 21:54.25 | Sikander | I tried everything that's written in forums (where others seemed to have the same problems), nothing worked. Eventually, I found a post where someone said "just install dhcpcd". So... why isn't that the default? |
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| 21:55.42 | craigevil | pherthyl: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 21:58.46 | dondelelcaro | Sikander: because dhcp3-client is more powerful; you just edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 21:59.07 | Sikander | dondelelcaro: Can you then tell me how to get the hostname to send properly? |
| 21:59.37 | Sikander | dondelelcaro: or point me to a place on the web where it's explained in full? |
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| 22:00.14 | dondelelcaro | Sikander: it's just an entry in dhcp3's config file |
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| 22:00.29 | Sikander | dondelelcaro: you mean send host-name, right? |
| 22:00.36 | dondelelcaro | Sikander: right |
| 22:00.51 | Sikander | dondelelcaro: It doesn't work... I put it in with and without a value |
| 22:01.05 | Sikander | dondelelcaro: I also added and removed host-name from request |
| 22:01.14 | Sikander | dondelelcaro: but it just doesn't work.... :( |
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| 22:04.53 | dustybin | Michael Jackson is dead wtf |
| 22:04.54 | dustybin | http://www.tmz.com/ |
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| 22:05.40 | JNSamuel | unconfirmed. |
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| 22:07.19 | Squawk | Hey fellas, icedove question but there doesn't appear to be a thunderbird or icedove channel. I have a mail account set as a pop3 account, I would like to change it to imap. I can't see an option to perform this action. Can it be done, or would I have to create a new account and re-download all message headers? |
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| 22:08.19 | nkuttler | Squawk: http://www.google.com/search?q=thunderbird+irc+channel |
| 22:08.46 | Sikander | ok, sorry, I tried... |
| 22:08.50 | Sikander | switches back to gentoo |
| 22:08.53 | themill | Squawk: aiui, you need to create a new account for that. There's no way to change an account type |
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| 22:09.20 | kingpin2 | does anyone know ways to limit bandwitch?? I'm making an image hosting site. |
| 22:09.42 | adama__ | mmmmmmm bandwitch |
| 22:09.56 | nkuttler | kingpin2: as in traffic shaping? |
| 22:10.31 | pl | Hello. Recently I have a big problem with sid: when I lauch Xorg, it freezes as soon as I start a program (e.g. iceweasel). I'm using the Intel driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) and kernel modesetting |
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| 22:10.59 | pl | Didn't have any problem until today. Is this a known problem? |
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| 22:12.02 | pl | damn |
| 22:13.01 | nkuttler | pl: i'd try the vesa driver |
| 22:13.20 | nkuttler | pl: or downgrade.. |
| 22:13.51 | Squawk | themill, thanks |
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| 22:14.21 | craigevil | pl using compiz or kde4 effects? other wise it should work fine |
| 22:15.31 | pl | craigevil, no, no such stuff. I use wmii, a really minimal window manager |
| 22:16.40 | craigevil | i use lxde with Card Intel 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.6.1.901 Res: 1280x1024@60.0hz on sid and im not having any issues, i use UXA in my xorg.conf |
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| 22:17.46 | nkuttler | gets segfaults for xmessage and stuff... |
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| 22:18.30 | pl | what's really strange is that until yesterday everything was fine! and I don't remember about changing anything |
| 22:19.01 | streuner__ | does ipw3945 support AP-Mode? |
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| 22:21.09 | pl | A completely different question: bash-completion is never loaded for me. There's a check in my .bashrc: |
| 22:21.11 | kingpin2 | Nkuttler: I guess u could say that. |
| 22:21.24 | kingpin2 | But I host an image site and I wana limit free users to 5gb of bandwitch |
| 22:21.41 | nkuttler | kingpin2: that's something different. no idea how to do that. require logins? |
| 22:21.59 | pl | [ .. && $(set -o | grep -q '^posix[[:space:]]*off$') ]; |
| 22:22.46 | pl | this always fails, as there *is* a line like 'posix off' in the set -o output. What am I supposed to do to let bash-completion load? |
| 22:22.54 | kingpin2 | it doesnt require logins |
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| 22:24.02 | nkuttler | kingpin2: i don't think it's possible anyway. users can use different mail, ip, delete cookies etc |
| 22:24.50 | kingpin2 | uh |
| 22:24.57 | kingpin2 | photobucket does that |
| 22:26.41 | Info24hs | testando alguem ve o que eu escrevo ? someone sees what I write? |
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| 22:27.04 | nkuttler | Info24hs: no |
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| 22:27.11 | nkuttler | kingpin2: well... |
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| 22:27.16 | Info24hs | [nkuttler]: hehehe |
| 22:27.27 | Info24hs | tanks my friend |
| 22:27.37 | nkuttler | yw |
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| 22:28.54 | Info24hs | http://under-linux.org/blogs/info24hs/ |
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| 22:39.09 | pherthyl | craigevil: haha, cool site. thanks |
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| 22:54.19 | G69 | Breaking News: Morreu o Michael Jackson. - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-hospitalized/?hp |
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| 22:55.49 | KavanS | G69: he's been reported as deceased |
| 22:56.17 | G69 | :/ |
| 22:56.18 | KavanS | and those who think this is offtopic, I object....Ian Murdock is from Indiana :) |
| 22:56.21 | G69 | Is confirmed |
| 22:56.23 | KavanS | yep |
| 22:56.26 | KavanS | cnn confirmed |
| 22:56.30 | G69 | well.. |
| 22:56.35 | G69 | i'm not his fan.. |
| 22:56.47 | G69 | but i grown up listening to his music.. |
| 22:56.50 | KavanS | I'm not much of a fan, I like a couple of his old songs |
| 22:56.52 | KavanS | yep same here |
| 22:57.01 | KavanS | I'm from Indiana, so he was important when I was growing up |
| 22:57.11 | G69 | i don't feel pitty.. but i'm pretty chocked.. |
| 22:57.15 | G69 | everyone is chocked. |
| 22:57.18 | KavanS | yeah, death is death |
| 22:57.24 | G69 | :/ |
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| 23:02.57 | anigma_ | how come "make" doesn't work in bash? |
| 23:03.14 | azeem_ | anigma_: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:03.26 | anigma_ | I'm trying to compile and install an eggdrop |
| 23:03.42 | azeem_ | anigma_: so be more specific how it "does not work" |
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| 23:03.55 | anigma_ | alen@debian:~$ make |
| 23:03.55 | anigma_ | bash: make: command not found |
| 23:04.04 | azeem_ | !installit |
| 23:04.04 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 23:06.06 | themill | !b-e anigma_ |
| 23:06.06 | dpkg | anigma_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 23:06.44 | themill | anigma_: actually.... why not just use the debian packages? |
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| 23:06.57 | anigma_ | themill: I don't like it.. |
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| 23:07.07 | anigma_ | I would rather compile it myself |
| 23:07.18 | themill | ... |
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| 23:08.58 | anigma_ | it's just the way I play... :P |
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| 23:11.33 | carrot | anigma_: why even use debian if you're going to compile everything yourself? there are plenty of distros that cater to DIY |
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| 23:15.04 | anigma_ | carrot: I'm not going to compile everything myself.. I just like compiling eggdrop myself |
| 23:15.07 | anigma_ | no hard feelings |
| 23:15.13 | anigma_ | I love the debian package system |
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| 23:18.43 | anigma_ | where is tcl usually installed on debian? |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | the headers? |
| 23:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anigma_, dpkg -l tcl\* shows you what packages starting with tcl are installed |
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| 23:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | then dpkg -L tcl8.0 (or whatever package) shows you were all the files go |
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| 23:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | the easiest way to find out what type of additional same-type ram to buy is still to look inside? I looked at the output of lshw and hwinfo but I'm not sure I get everything I need |
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| 23:23.06 | syslq78 | Anyone uses disown? |
| 23:23.40 | syslq78 | I wonder what job id it wants passed after -h option, I'd understand if I would have to pass pid |
| 23:23.46 | corran | Any guess as to what happened to alsa in my last update (running sid)? |
| 23:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it exploded? |
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| 23:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq78, something like disown %1 |
| 23:24.54 | corran | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, just doesn't seem to exist in the kernel. Also, can I get a meat pie? |
| 23:25.23 | syslq78 | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah but jobs -l returns nothing :), where can I find the value %1 |
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| 23:25.46 | evil[z] | Michael Jackson dies in LA hospital - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5xD4jb4NQE |
| 23:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | corran, sure can... they're specially delicious today... or at least specially special... that'll be $2.50 (ketchup is extra) |
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| 23:26.09 | DeathWolf | *facepalm.tiff* |
| 23:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww, news-spam |
| 23:26.23 | corran | indeed |
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| 23:26.57 | alphad | hi |
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| 23:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq78, if jobs -l returns nothing, the shell doesn't own any childs anymore |
| 23:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you already called disown :) |
| 23:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | corran, check the changelog? the bts? |
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| 23:30.56 | corran | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.20 | corran | I am on linux-image-2.6.30-bigmem |
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| 23:33.27 | corran | but the oss side works, and the drivers for my card are loaded |
| 23:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oss drivers still exist? |
| 23:33.30 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, oss still exists, but that probably wasn't what he meant |
| 23:33.31 | Zharf | oss is alive and kicking alsa's ass |
| 23:33.33 | Zharf | anyway, I think he meant the alsa-oss emulation |
| 23:33.41 | Zharf | or not? |
| 23:33.52 | Zharf | corran, clarify! |
| 23:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | he says alsa is "gone" |
| 23:34.03 | corran | no, literally, oss is functional |
| 23:34.09 | Zharf | ok |
| 23:34.11 | Zharf | well |
| 23:34.13 | corran | but no alsa module is present |
| 23:34.14 | Zharf | upgrade to oss4 |
| 23:34.27 | corran | modprobe alsa fails |
| 23:34.39 | Zharf | there's no such module anyway |
| 23:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the snd* modules belong to alsa |
| 23:35.04 | Zharf | alsa modules are snd_foocrap |
| 23:35.21 | Zharf | and you probably want to use the alsa utilities to load the moduels |
| 23:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | try dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.30-bigmem |grep snd.*ko |
| 23:35.25 | Zharf | not load them by hand |
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| 23:35.59 | Zharf | did you install alsa-base, alsa-utils and alsa-tools? |
| 23:36.10 | Zharf | you probably want those |
| 23:36.38 | corran | This was a functional system (a number of months out of date) that I updated |
| 23:36.55 | corran | rebooted into a system with only some sound |
| 23:36.57 | Zharf | so check that those packages are in place.. |
| 23:37.03 | Zharf | some sound? |
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| 23:37.34 | corran | well, wine is outputting sound, alsa linked programs like mpd and mplayer fail |
| 23:38.48 | Zharf | uh... |
| 23:38.53 | Zharf | ... |
| 23:38.55 | corran | yeah |
| 23:39.00 | Zharf | lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 23:39.01 | corran | funky |
| 23:39.12 | funky | yes? |
| 23:39.17 | Zharf | hahaha |
| 23:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 23:39.30 | corran | indeed |
| 23:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you call random guys, corran? |
| 23:40.12 | corran | connects to #debian with an amusingly named ghost just to complete the joke |
| 23:40.17 | Zharf | corran, does /etc/init.d/alsa exist |
| 23:40.34 | corran | alsa-utils does |
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| 23:40.44 | Zharf | how about alsa-base |
| 23:41.21 | corran | not in init.d |
| 23:41.25 | Zharf | package :) |
| 23:41.28 | corran | the package is installed |
| 23:41.31 | Zharf | ok |
| 23:41.40 | Zharf | and does lsmod | grep snd_ return anything |
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| 23:42.35 | corran | yes, a ton of emu10k modules |
| 23:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6.30-bigmem |
| 23:42.53 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6.30-bigmem -- |
| 23:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there IS no linux-image-2.6.30-bigmem |
| 23:43.20 | corran | indeed, it has at least a -1 in there |
| 23:43.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is linux-image-2.6.30-1-686-bigmem, though |
| 23:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-file show linux-image-2.6.30-1-686-bigmem |grep snd |wc -l --->162 |
| 23:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I hardly call that "gone" |
| 23:44.05 | corran | linux-image-2.6.30-1-686-bigmem |
| 23:44.47 | Zharf | corran, what does amixer return? |
| 23:45.13 | corran | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 23:45.46 | Zharf | try: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start 0 (as root) |
| 23:46.01 | themill | corran: exactly what card do you have? the appropriate line from "lspci -nn" might help |
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| 23:46.12 | corran | emu10k (sblive) |
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| 23:47.08 | corran | Setting up ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded). |
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| 23:47.29 | corran | reinstall alsa-base perhaps? |
| 23:47.38 | corran | I feel like a config file is missing |
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| 23:50.58 | corran | hmm, card 1 worked though |
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| 23:51.48 | Zharf | alsa card numbers have always confused me |
| 23:51.55 | corran | odd |
| 23:52.09 | corran | it seems like card 0 is in a very odd state |
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| 23:53.09 | corran | I wonder if an extra module for my (non-existant) onboard sound card appeared |
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| 23:55.40 | corran | and yay, adding a correctly configured .asoundrc fixed the problem |
| 23:55.46 | corran | no idea what changed though |
| 23:56.55 | corran | Thank you for your help in pointing me in that direction |
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