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| 00:00.28 | corran | Zharf: thank you sir |
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| 00:02.25 | elvisfuentes | Hi guys!!! |
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| 00:03.54 | elvisfuentes | I have a really old machine at home "Imac powerpc g3 at 500hz 512 ram and Mac os x 10.4.11" I'd like install debian |
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| 00:10.00 | elvisfuentes | mac runs very very slow!! and there are a lot things I can do! |
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| 00:12.54 | elvisfuentes | like wath videos for instance! my ask |
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| 00:15.01 | c0m1 | Question: the guy who set up my server account set it up wrong, so that whenever I create a file, it puts the wrong group as the group owner. I have sudo privileges and I created a group for myself. How do I change things so the correct group is given ownership when I create a file? |
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| 00:15.42 | adb | elvisfuentes: g3@ 500 MHz 512 MB is a good machine |
| 00:15.50 | simNIX | yeah |
| 00:15.56 | simNIX | should do fine as desktop |
| 00:15.59 | simNIX | play vids |
| 00:16.02 | simNIX | play music |
| 00:16.04 | simNIX | and surf |
| 00:16.10 | adb | !enter |
| 00:16.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:16.50 | simNIX | c0m1, man usermod -g -G |
| 00:16.59 | simNIX | sorry to spam |
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| 00:19.15 | c0m1 | simNIX: thx, but could you help me with the syntax? tried usermod -g group username, but that didn't seem to work |
| 00:19.32 | SerajewelKS | what's up with gnome in squeeze? |
| 00:19.41 | simNIX | usermod username -g maingropu -G group2,group3 if im not mistaken |
| 00:19.50 | SerajewelKS | the panel doesn't seem to affect the window space size -- windows maximize under the panel |
| 00:20.22 | Etna | Hi, i'm running Debian Lenny, and i would like to have KDE 4.1 or 4.2 in it along with GNOME so that i have a choice of DEs on boot. HOw should i go about installing KDE4 on Lenny? |
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| 00:20.59 | SerajewelKS | well isn't this a nice little clusterfuck |
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| 00:22.49 | adb | Etna: forget KDE4 on Lenny |
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| 00:23.07 | Etna | abd: why? |
| 00:23.15 | adb | !backport |
| 00:23.15 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 00:24.32 | Etna | i read that the backports only have KDE4.1. Does that mean that there's no way we can install KDE4.2 on Lenny? |
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| 00:25.06 | adb | !ssb |
| 00:25.06 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 00:25.43 | enouf | Etna: use squeeze then, learn debian, upgrade, and suffer from some bugginess and breakage |
| 00:26.04 | elvisfuentes | if I install debian on this machine will those problems leave this machine? |
| 00:26.04 | elvisfuentes | any idea??? |
| 00:26.04 | Ficthe | after a few minutes of non-activity, debian locks up (where I've to re-enter my password). where do I disable this behavior?> |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:26.26 | dpkg | i guess ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 00:26.36 | enouf | Ficthe: man passwd - likely a PAM module, IINM |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | Ficthe: does it kill your X session, or just lock it? |
| 00:26.57 | Ficthe | abrotman, just lock it |
| 00:27.05 | abrotman | Ficthe: gnome? kde? |
| 00:27.09 | Ficthe | gnome |
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| 00:27.16 | abrotman | did you check the screensaver applet ? |
| 00:27.28 | Etna | enouf: urm...i think i will stick to something more basic then, like Mandriva or Fedora. Thanks anyway. |
| 00:27.32 | Ficthe | ahh, that's probably it. I'll check it |
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| 00:28.21 | enouf | Etna: are you sure 4.1 is available through backports? |
| 00:28.45 | enouf | judd: versions kde-full --release lenny-backports |
| 00:28.45 | judd | enouf: kde-full -- |
| 00:29.16 | Etna | apparently so, according to this website: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 00:29.39 | Ficthe | "Lock screen when screensaver is active", I wonder if this is it |
| 00:29.53 | Ficthe | Mm, I've unchecked it. I'll see how it turns out. |
| 00:30.15 | c0m1 | simNIX: thx for the help. I think I was a little confused because I didn't know I had to logout before default group ownership on new files would take effect |
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| 00:31.17 | simNIX | that indeed it also good one for me to note in head to tell next time |
| 00:31.25 | simNIX | to much second nature that here |
| 00:32.32 | qiyong | !Xapian |
| 00:32.36 | qiyong | what is it? |
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| 00:35.40 | abrotman | qiyong: it has documentation |
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| 00:36.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | the easiest way to find out what type of additional same-type ram to buy is still to look inside? I looked at the output of lshw and hwinfo but I'm not sure I get everything I need |
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| 00:37.22 | __maxbaldwin | Is there a daily release of Debian 5, as in the most current/cutting edge release? |
| 00:37.43 | __maxbaldwin | or is the 5.0 the latest release available? |
| 00:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... |
| 00:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes - kind of |
| 00:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny is the last stable |
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| 00:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is testing and unstable as well |
| 00:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can /msg dpkg testing and /msg dpkg sid |
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| 00:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (dpkg is a bot) |
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| 00:38.55 | __maxbaldwin | ok, thanks |
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| 00:39.28 | abrotman | oh drat .. missed a great phillysmite opportunity |
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| 00:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you want something more recent than stable you can update to testing (if you only want a few packages newer, you can keep running stable - /msg dpkg backports for that) |
| 00:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, testing has all those yummy bugs that are hopefully gone in stable |
| 00:41.04 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: /msg dpkg myram |
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| 00:43.43 | gaintsura | is there a way to check and see if my system (including the apps I use) would run on 64bit? |
| 00:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I knew there was one factoid I had forgotten :) thanks |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | gaintsura: is the system already running linux ? |
| 00:44.19 | __maxbaldwin | Uh, why are there 30 some different CDs for the i386 bittorrent? |
| 00:44.24 | gaintsura | abrotman: yes, debian lenny |
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| 00:44.31 | abrotman | __maxbaldwin: just get the first one .. or the netinst |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | gaintsura: look at the flags in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:44.47 | __maxbaldwin | abrotman: ok, thanks. but why so many? |
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| 00:45.01 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: ;-) |
| 00:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | __maxbaldwin, lots of software packaged for Debian? |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | __maxbaldwin: lots of software ? |
| 00:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:45.17 | gaintsura | abrotman: what am I looking for? |
| 00:45.17 | __maxbaldwin | ah. ok. :P |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | gaintsura: i believe 'lm' |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | !cpuflags |
| 00:45.47 | dpkg | A list of cpuflags and their meaning: http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/ |
| 00:46.03 | enouf | gaintsura: yes, lm flag |
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| 00:46.18 | gaintsura | abrotman: I already know I have a 64bit processor, but I'm looking to findout if the apps I have and any other assorted hardware may have problems |
| 00:46.28 | Yamakiri | anyone know what I should do because of these errors when I use apt-get? http://yamakiri.pastebin.com/m1a585f49 Any help would be appreciated |
| 00:46.47 | enouf | gaintsura: what other assorted hardware? i can't think offhand of any that would |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | gaintsura: oh .. you want to know if you already have 64bit ? |
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| 00:47.02 | enouf | file /bin/ls |
| 00:47.19 | enouf | to see if your ELFs are 64 bit - userland |
| 00:47.25 | abrotman | or dpkg-architecture |
| 00:47.41 | enouf | dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 00:47.41 | dpkg | enouf: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:47.53 | gaintsura | abrotman: no, I know I'm on 32bit, but I want to know if I upgrade to 64bit, will all my apps and such work alright |
| 00:48.15 | enouf | gaintsura: upgrade to 64bit == reinstall, or chroot/debootstrap install |
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| 00:48.43 | gaintsura | enouf: I don't mind the upgrade/reinstall process, all of my important stuff is never on here |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | gaintsura: we have no idea what apps you're using |
| 00:49.11 | enouf | gaintsura: there are 64bit versions for almost all things - certain apps might have issues. If any, they're usually of the Desktop variety |
| 00:49.12 | gaintsura | is there a long list that says what works on 64bit and what doesnt? |
| 00:50.47 | Ficthe | abrotman, yep .. I went away for a few (so the computer could experience inactivity :)) - and sure enough, I'm no longer prompted for a password. :) thanks. :) |
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| 00:51.09 | abrotman | Ficthe: enjoy |
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| 00:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, there are some packages that are only available for certain architectures - you can check on packages.debian.org if they exist for amd64 |
| 00:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | if its software outside debian, you can only check their website if they have 32bit/64bit versions |
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| 00:57.13 | zhxk | hello who is feeling good today? |
| 00:57.28 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks.... *wonders if there is a way to do a dpkg -l and check it against packages.debian |
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| 00:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, most packages are there, there are just a few exceptions afaik |
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| 00:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | just check the what you feel is most important to you |
| 00:58.29 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: thats a lot |
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| 01:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's not! |
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| 01:00.30 | gaintsura | harrr packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages should have a set next to the name saying what arch's its on |
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| 01:02.15 | sanmarcos | how can I fix this "W: GPG error: http://mirror.noreply.org dapper Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1217637003" ? |
| 01:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, it does |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | sanmarcos: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:02.31 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: O.o I don't see it |
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| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | like abiword (2.6.4-5+b1 [armel], 2.6.4-5 [alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc]) |
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| 01:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | == different versions on different archs |
| 01:03.35 | sanmarcos | abrotman: how does one fix key expired in apt repositories? |
| 01:03.48 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, see that now, but they are very spanned out and not on all of them |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | sanmarcos: one asks #ubuntu |
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| 01:04.06 | sanmarcos | abrotman: this is related to debian. |
| 01:04.09 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | dapper is not a Debian release .. |
| 01:04.16 | DynamicPink | I recently installed KDE minimal on squeeze and noticed that it kills the battery life on my laptop. Gnome seems to last a lot longer on the battery. |
| 01:04.29 | sanmarcos | abrotman: yes, its the apt package manager, the answer also applies to all extra oficial repos |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you got your apt from ubuntu, go to #ubuntu, last warning |
| 01:04.57 | sanmarcos | abrotman: in fact if I knew people were so resentful and childish towards Ubuntu here, I would have changed dapper to 'sid' or something, and I would have gotten an answer |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | have a good night |
| 01:05.14 | sanmarcos | fuck you |
| 01:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, look at e.g. linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc-smp |
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| 01:06.01 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: I see, though its not on all of them |
| 01:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | we'd have larted him for asking something like that if he's using sid FIRST then found out he's using ubuntu and larted him again then :) |
| 01:06.19 | gaintsura | lol |
| 01:06.27 | DynamicPink | Anyone else notice poor battery performance under KDE? |
| 01:06.46 | gaintsura | DynamicPink: do you have a power saving service? |
| 01:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaintsura, it SAYS so Linux 2.6.26 image --->on multiprocessor 32-bit PowerPC<--- |
| 01:07.03 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: right.. but not ALL of the packages say it |
| 01:07.30 | DynamicPink | gaintsura, I believe so, but what should I be looking for? |
| 01:07.40 | enouf | ain't no gaint :-p |
| 01:07.55 | gaintsura | .. |
| 01:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course not - if all architectures have the same version and the package is in all architectures, there is little point of saying anything, is there? |
| 01:07.57 | gaintsura | :P |
| 01:08.11 | gaintsura | CutMeOwnThroat: it could be useful though |
| 01:08.30 | enouf | then write up a nice perl script |
| 01:08.48 | enouf | and ask to have it submitted for consideration - send patches babay! |
| 01:09.33 | enouf | that's how most FOSS comes into existance, someone writes some code that's useful to _them_ |
| 01:09.39 | gaintsura | enouf: true |
| 01:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... bill gates wrote basic and thought, hey, lets other people benefit from that as well |
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| 01:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 01:10.13 | DynamicPink | gaintsura, I believe so, but what should I be looking for? |
| 01:10.37 | enouf | gaintsura: i wonder if apt-show-versions can do what you want - atleast show against the packages your cache has listed |
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| 01:11.06 | gaintsura | enouf: I'll check |
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| 01:12.40 | gaintsura | DynamicPink: you should have settings to control the cpu frequency, brightness etc on the powermanager (I don't know what the KDE package/app is called) |
| 01:12.40 | enouf | gaintsura: for more, check into grep-dctrl, dctrl-tools, dpkg-query, and aptitude even |
| 01:12.40 | anigma | which address should I use in the source.list to get a norwegian mirror? |
| 01:12.40 | gaintsura | apt-show-versions? or apt-cache show versions ? |
| 01:12.42 | enouf | anigma: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:12.42 | enouf | gaintsura: the former |
| 01:12.42 | adb | anigma: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian |
| 01:12.45 | enouf | that's the Netherlands adb ;-) |
| 01:12.54 | enouf | .no == Norway? |
| 01:13.01 | adb | .no. |
| 01:13.03 | DynamicPink | gaintsura, I have all of that enabled as far as I know. I'll check again, thanks |
| 01:13.15 | gaintsura | enouf: neither of them workd :( |
| 01:13.34 | enouf | gaintsura: wow - you are a fast little bugggerrreeerrr |
| 01:13.55 | gaintsura | enouf: I can haz a multitask |
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| 01:14.15 | enouf | hurls a small cheezburglar at gaintsura |
| 01:14.32 | gaintsura | cheezburgla!!!! |
| 01:14.34 | gaintsura | hids |
| 01:14.49 | enouf | keyboards? HIDs ? |
| 01:15.16 | gaintsura | lol |
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| 01:17.39 | gaintsura | throws a HID at enouf |
| 01:18.06 | gaintsura | wait.. would that be a or an ? |
| 01:19.25 | anigma | would 'apt-get install apache' only install apache or would it include php too? |
| 01:19.33 | gaintsura | only apache |
| 01:19.39 | gaintsura | and you should specify apache2 not apache :) |
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| 01:20.24 | anigma | could I just do 'apt-get install php5' to get it integrated with apache? |
| 01:20.34 | anigma | after I've installed apache |
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| 01:21.21 | smacnay | Is there a way, in a fresh deb install, to set soundcard A as the default and not have USB Web cam picked up first and made default? |
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| 01:22.33 | lexiyntax | anigma: I'd recommend just doing 'aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5' without installing anything else first. |
| 01:22.37 | gaintsura | anigma: yes, though you may have to apt-get install php5(some stuff) |
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| 01:23.25 | lexiyntax | anigma: By default apache2 will install a MPM that won't work with PHP. |
| 01:23.58 | CodeBlock | Hey I was wondering of anyone knows a workaround to the segmentation fault/php5-cli issue. It's a common issue, according to a quick google, but I cannot find a solution. Something mentioned removing php5-curl, but that did nothing.. Any ideas? |
| 01:24.06 | CodeBlock | or is this a ##php question? |
| 01:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeBlock, check the bts |
| 01:24.57 | qiyong | how do I list cvs modules? |
| 01:25.02 | bjsnider | i'm curious about how dependent packages are being chosen. i've got one that's completely inappropriate and i need to change it before it gets to the deb packages. i assume it's somehow misinterpreting a build-dep and choosing a dependent package because of it? |
| 01:25.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
| 01:25.56 | CodeBlock | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528053 no resolution though :/ |
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| 01:28.49 | smacnay | Is there a config script to set the default soundcard? I seem to recall one. |
| 01:30.03 | enouf | haha .. iceweasel just crashed on me, which sucks, since i had like 50 tabs open i was using - but i got back atleast 300M of RAM now ;-) |
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| 01:30.28 | BubbaT | Hey I'm trying to setup some GUi stuff on my debian ( lenny running kde 4.2 ). |
| 01:30.46 | enouf | man i hate when that happens ... it reminds me of fighting the IE/Mozilla version upgrades when using win98 ... gah |
| 01:30.53 | anigma | what's the command again to grant people access to files? |
| 01:31.09 | BubbaT | I'm looking for two things, something similar to Vista Sidebar and RocketDock. |
| 01:31.20 | BubbaT | anigma, "open sessame"? |
| 01:31.23 | enouf | "This version require MSCVBRT.DLL" or someshit /.// |
| 01:31.54 | gaintsura | enouf: it irritates me when iceweasel crashes, and I open it again with the session restored and it crashes again :( |
| 01:31.56 | enouf | anigma: which files? where? most users can _access_ files |
| 01:32.48 | enouf | gaintsura: i'm scared to think how long it might take to load all my tabs :-/ .. i'm 1st going to free my swap, wipe it, then try - then if that fails, i'm going to try and manually remove any caches |
| 01:33.12 | gaintsura | w00 |
| 01:34.05 | anigma | I just installed apache2 and I can't seem to edit /var/www/index.html |
| 01:34.19 | enouf | gaintsura: er .. no, i'm not going to dd /dev/zero my swap just yet, but swapoff -a, swapon -a only - since i'm not sure my other _real_ browser (links2) and other apps aren't/weren't using it |
| 01:34.25 | anigma | without having to log into root that is... |
| 01:34.26 | gaintsura | anigma: you need to be root probably.. |
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| 01:34.47 | gaintsura | anigma: chmod 570 -R ./ and then add yourself to the group?? |
| 01:34.53 | enouf | ok 90M completely free .. let's test |
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| 01:36.42 | enouf | anigma: i don't know if it's better to set your DocumentRoot to your $HOME, or add yourself to the www-data group .. but see debian-administration.org and wiki.debian.org and read the /usr/share/doc/apache2* docs and man a2enmod, etc |
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| 01:37.59 | gaintsura | I set my docroot to /webdev and chmod 570 -R ./ then made a separate group for those allowed to edit the files |
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| 01:38.08 | qiyong | what is group src for? |
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| 01:42.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.09 | enouf | when i click details, i get this something about possible ORbitZ thing or some crap |
| 01:43.27 | Alam_Lenny | enouf, is ~/.mozilla/firefox/ writable by you? |
| 01:43.49 | enouf | you can't even legitimately copy and paste this stuff - grah .. i'll use a pastebin for what i can snag |
| 01:44.17 | enouf | Alam_Lenny: drwx------ 3 stompthebozo stompthebozo 112 2009-04-24 08:16 /home/stompthebozo/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 01:44.24 | enouf | which is my username |
| 01:44.33 | smacnay | hmm, is there a setup script for alsa anymore? asoundconf is not available... and dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base does nothing. |
| 01:45.30 | BubbaT | enouf, use the sessions manager addon. |
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| 01:47.00 | enouf | ok - here's the Error Dialog info http://pastebin.ca/1474951 |
| 01:47.40 | qiyong | what user should my cvs run as? |
| 01:47.42 | enouf | BubbaT: hrm, but i recall when i first installed it - it asking me if i wanted it to try and restore crashed sessions? or was that Midori or something else? |
| 01:48.32 | enouf | i don't use any http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ , but i do use some gtk stuff - and there's no NFS stuff running, nor do i know what ORBit is |
| 01:49.01 | enouf | i can say though - i think my DBUS stuff is funky - as lshal chokes and won't work ... hrm |
| 01:49.14 | enouf | error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 01:50.10 | enouf | let me try fixing that - then go from there .. but i'm not restarting my openbox session! :-p |
| 01:51.00 | BubbaT | enouf, iceweasel tries to recover, but works better with sessions manager, plus you can save yourself periodically. |
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| 01:52.40 | maria_ | Discuss: http://youtube.com/watch?v=k0xJLpbPZuw |
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| 01:53.17 | ArkoldThos | how I launch fluxbox without using gdm or kde (yep, i know that using xstart or smth, but how) |
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| 01:54.40 | enouf | ok, so - as root/sudo "dbus-daemon --system" fixes lshal .. but stopping and reloading iceweasel still gives that pastebin error dialog :-/ |
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| 01:55.06 | enouf | BubbaT: that's an addon? an extension? a plugin? |
| 01:55.17 | BubbaT | addon |
| 01:55.19 | enouf | addon |
| 01:55.21 | enouf | ok |
| 01:56.14 | enouf | BubbaT: i'll try to addon that then - thanks - BTW, i hate that i can't reorganize my tabs, and there are so many tab* extensions/addons, do you recommend one in particular? |
| 01:56.50 | enouf | i *do* like the way hover over tab, scroll wheel shifts like 5 tabs at a time |
| 01:58.22 | enouf | but with 50 - 75 open, no wai is that usable, especially when in tab #2 and you click a URL which opens in tab #74, and yes, naturally i don't like it to jump there right away, since i usually want to open more than one new tab/url from within say tab#3 |
| 01:58.27 | enouf | er #2 |
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| 02:00.47 | nkuttler | enouf: i like Tab Kit |
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| 02:02.12 | cheako | Hello, I have just discovered dd_rescue and have pulled the data off a drive I thought was dead. |
| 02:02.33 | enouf | nkuttler: ok - thanks |
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| 02:03.48 | cheako | I'm my horror I've discovered that the partitions/lvm and every thing from there up(filesystems and tar(written into either a partition or LVM) are all gone. |
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| 02:04.24 | cheako | Well, no the partitions are gone and the LVM metadata has been reset. |
| 02:04.25 | simNIX | auch |
| 02:04.59 | cheako | I'm unsure what things looked like previously. |
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| 02:05.25 | cheako | ...so I need a this is a long stream of bits and I'd like to pull data out of... tool. |
| 02:05.26 | quitte | cheako: how are you looking at the dump? |
| 02:05.38 | Lovecraft | enouf, Its me, you slime. Did you really think I wouldn't find you, you creep? Now what about those child support payments and all that back alimony? |
| 02:05.41 | cheako | file, hexedit, linux/lvm. |
| 02:05.53 | quitte | hahaha |
| 02:05.55 | cheako | loop. |
| 02:06.13 | cheako | The current status is a bit messed, perhaps a bug in LVM. |
| 02:06.16 | quitte | cheako: loopback devices don't support partitions very well |
| 02:06.43 | quitte | cheako: you said you did pull the data from the drive, didn't you? |
| 02:07.29 | quitte | cheako: before you do anything else with the data make a copy to work on |
| 02:07.30 | cheako | There is one large partition, but both the device node and the partition contain an LVM header(according to file and hexdump). |
| 02:07.40 | cheako | loop /w offset for the partiton ;) |
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| 02:08.34 | cheako | quitte: In process making a commpressed backup, and writing the data out to an actual drive. |
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| 02:08.59 | quitte | cheako: if it's a full dump of a previously working system i'd try running it with qemu before assuming the data is unusable. |
| 02:09.19 | quitte | or well, using an actual drive |
| 02:09.27 | cheako | quitte: lacking an os, this was just data. |
| 02:09.50 | cheako | Currently none on the LVMs have any lv. |
| 02:09.55 | quitte | cheako: it still looks like a harddisk to a system running in qemu |
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| 02:10.20 | quitte | cheako: there are vgs but the lvs are missing? |
| 02:10.22 | cheako | Ohh, yes your correct that this is better then loop, but slower. |
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| 02:10.55 | cheako | Yes. |
| 02:11.35 | cheako | Well, there is currently a vg naming conflict. |
| 02:12.00 | cheako | So I'm just waiting to backup the recovered data. |
| 02:12.59 | cheako | I think in the end, I'll grep for file systems... and hope they are sequential. |
| 02:13.44 | quitte | cheako: try qemu. with the naming conflict and everything i wouldn't be surprised if it just worked |
| 02:14.18 | enouf | Lovecraft: haha ... cool - you weirdo@! .. listen - i gotta run out IRL for about 30 min - bbs |
| 02:14.26 | Lovecraft | okay |
| 02:14.30 | cheako | Yes, that would work. It would be slow. |
| 02:14.33 | enouf | nkuttler: and BubbaT and Alam_Lenny -- thanks a bunch |
| 02:14.56 | cheako | I'm better off with backing up the data and then renaming the vg. |
| 02:15.27 | cheako | I could also try uml, but I've never used that b4. |
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| 02:15.56 | cheako | Still I'm looking for tools better suited to this task then grep. |
| 02:16.13 | sylarr | anyone know how to change hal so it will allow umount by anyone? |
| 02:16.27 | cheako | /etc/fstab option user |
| 02:16.31 | quitte | no you're not. booting a debian iso in rescue mode inside qemu is safe. while you are risking breaking your system when you rename that vg. or you risk loosing one of the dumps when renaming those |
| 02:17.00 | quitte | you can even tell qemu to use the dump in read only mode |
| 02:17.06 | sylarr | cheako, if this for me then hal automount of usb is not in fstab |
| 02:17.36 | sylarr | do you know were is "org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no" ? |
| 02:17.51 | sylarr | That is the option that prevents the umount |
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| 02:18.01 | cheako | ahh, perhaps, but qemu's drive access is sooo slow w/o paravirt drivers. |
| 02:18.33 | cheako | I still think uml would be a better option. |
| 02:18.36 | quitte | who cares? right now you want to know in what state the data is in. not write it back |
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| 02:20.25 | cheako | It looks pretty messed up in hexdump, but perhaps the kernel can sort it out. |
| 02:21.06 | cheako | I'd feel much better if there were user space lvm recovery tools. |
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| 02:26.00 | cheako | This is strange, no matter what I do I have two instances of sync(running with ppid 1) taking all the cpu... They respawn. |
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| 02:27.32 | zhxk | abrotman:why your name abrot-man? what's the meanning of abrot? |
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| 02:28.13 | zhxk | ABRO? |
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| 02:28.34 | cheako | Tip: you can't renice or SIGSTOP sync ;) |
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| 02:30.09 | gum2tux | how do i check what cause the pop-up error related to kernel failure (...kerneloops.org) whenever logon to debian lenny. please advise. thanks |
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| 02:31.29 | quitte | gum2tux: using google while providing a more detailed error message, probably |
| 02:33.53 | BubbaT | Anyone know of a sidebar for compiz with decent gadgets/widgets/etc? |
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| 02:35.01 | cheako | Now, way. I have to reboot here these sync's are deadlocked. |
| 02:35.08 | cheako | any one want a kcore? |
| 02:35.28 | cheako | I am on 2.6.29. |
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| 02:35.39 | gum2tux | i m newbie, the pop-up error related to kernel failure -- it is just a general pop-up, i don't know where to start to get a bit more detail for my google searh |
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| 02:35.50 | gum2tux | *search |
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| 02:35.55 | cheako | bbl. |
| 02:36.24 | gum2tux | how do i check what cause the pop-up error related to kernel failure (...kerneloops.org) whenever logon to debian lenny. i m newbie, the pop-up error related to kernel failure -- it is just a general pop-up, i don't know where to start to get a bit more detail for my google search. please advise. thanks |
| 02:36.38 | quitte_ | gum2tux: what do you mean by "pop-up"? |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | gum2tux: uname -a |
| 02:37.16 | cheako | gum2tux: I've never heard of a popup? |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | and put the full error in a pastebin |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | IIRC there's some gnome capability to show stuff like that |
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| 02:38.01 | cheako | bye/bbl. |
| 02:39.14 | gum2tux | uname -a (result is 2.6.26-2-amd64) |
| 02:39.24 | cheako | can't reboot... part of the process is to sync. |
| 02:39.34 | cheako | syskey time. |
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| 02:39.40 | cheako | bye bye. |
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| 02:40.51 | cheako | emergancy sync completes, so it's only the userspace system call. |
| 02:40.59 | cheako | Still stuck. |
| 02:41.03 | gum2tux | cheako: the pop-up is like http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers/2009/fedora-11-kernel-failure.jpg |
| 02:42.10 | zhxk | abrotman:answer my question |
| 02:42.30 | quitte_ | gum2tux: did you click the more info button? |
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| 02:42.40 | zhxk | what do you mean by abrot |
| 02:42.44 | quitte_ | err show details |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | zhxk: how is that related to Debian ? |
| 02:43.36 | zhxk | i want to know if abrot is something related to Debian |
| 02:44.55 | quitte_ | its an initial and a name concatenated |
| 02:44.58 | orion_x11 | in my gdm login screen there an user called Sabayon I was surprised by this. But, I do not know which is its password in my own debian. So, who is this Sabayon user and how do I access it? |
| 02:46.06 | gum2tux | my current kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64 which caused kernel failure error, how can i downgrade to 2.6.26-amd64. is it ok to do that ? i am newbie. please advise. |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | gum2tux: i asked you to put the text of the error in a pastebin |
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| 02:47.06 | quitte_ | abrotman: you meant to ask for dmesg instead of uname, maybe? |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | no |
| 02:48.10 | quitte_ | i don't see anything in the manpage indicating that uname shows errors after one occured |
| 02:48.29 | gum2tux | abrotman: the pop-up do not have detial message, it just show http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3457970675_48106dc58d.jpg |
| 02:48.37 | zhxk | abrot man:you are professional |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | gum2tux: i'd just click never |
| 02:50.13 | quitte_ | haha. now that is sound advice after being insulted as being a professional |
| 02:51.02 | zhxk | quitte:why your name quit te? |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | maybe if it would actually show you the details |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | zhxk: stop it .. that's getting annoying |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | zhxk: if you don't have a Debian question, please keep quiet |
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| 02:52.43 | zhxk | abrot man: i know you asnwered my questions a lot days ago, you are very kind |
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| 02:53.07 | abrotman | that's not my nick .. please stop doing that |
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| 02:53.53 | cantido | mmm do passwords have to be ascii? I know they get hashed,.. but do login etc work with non-ascii passwords? |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | you mean could they be UTF8 chars ? |
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| 02:54.22 | cantido | abrotman: exactly |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | i'd think so, but haven't tried .. should be easy to test |
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| 02:55.04 | cantido | goes to test |
| 02:56.40 | sylarr | anyone know how to manage policy-kit? |
| 02:56.41 | cantido | adduser will accept a password in UTF8 by the look of it.. when it gets to the details part it exits :/ |
| 02:57.27 | cantido | can login with the UTF8 password, get some weird stuff in the initial shell though.. |
| 02:57.50 | zhxk | abrotman:i know know, you are ab rot man, you are a man ab rot, come from rot, better than rot |
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| 02:58.53 | abrotman | bites his tongue |
| 02:59.02 | CcSsNET | heh |
| 02:59.10 | zhxk | or, a anti rot man |
| 03:00.06 | quitte | sorry, but i really have to mention "bernd das brot" now |
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| 03:02.15 | zhxk | that's not so meaningful, i think ab rot man is good |
| 03:02.53 | simonrvn | starts to wonder witf zhxk is smoking, but won't ask... |
| 03:03.10 | quitte | what is a simon rvn? |
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| 03:06.28 | zhxk | maybe offtopic channel maybe better |
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| 03:07.05 | jmardonesk | hi all, its possible to play mp4 video files in debian lenny? |
| 03:07.16 | cantido | zhxk: not gibbering random shit would be a better idea.. |
| 03:07.42 | cantido | jmardonesk: like x264? |
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| 03:08.07 | jmardonesk | cantido, yes |
| 03:08.11 | jmardonesk | in lenny |
| 03:08.39 | jmardonesk | i search over the net, but i cant found any relevant information |
| 03:08.42 | cantido | jmardonesk: vlc in lenny should.. you might need debian-multimedia.. but I thin x264 is free |
| 03:09.00 | jmardonesk | i play sound with vlc |
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| 03:09.24 | cantido | jmardonesk: VLC == video lan client, so I think it does video too. crazy |
| 03:09.29 | jmardonesk | but no video, and with totem, i play the video, but with some problems |
| 03:09.46 | cantido | jmardonesk: you might need to install some library then |
| 03:09.51 | zhxk | cantido, cant i do? your name is meanning you can do |
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| 03:10.31 | abrotman | zhxk: stop it |
| 03:10.33 | jmardonesk | what are the libraries ... I dont found any page that showme what files i need to install... |
| 03:10.44 | simonrvn | zhxk: do you have a debian question? |
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| 03:10.58 | cantido | jmardonesk: totem is a frontend to xine isn't it? |
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| 03:11.08 | jmardonesk | i search over debian wiki, debian multimedia, but i dont found any oficial information. |
| 03:11.31 | ksnp | cantido - is there an online (web) way to submit a bug report to debian ? |
| 03:11.41 | sylarr | anyone know how to change "org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | ksnp: you can use your webmail |
| 03:11.43 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: just use reportbug |
| 03:11.56 | sylarr | ? |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | jmardonesk: for video or just audio ? |
| 03:12.28 | craigevil | jmardonesk: try install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly , gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 03:12.56 | jmardonesk | for play the audio and the video of one mp4 file in any video player... |
| 03:13.56 | zhxk | simon rvn,your name is also good |
| 03:13.56 | jmardonesk | what about gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | jmardonesk: faad or maybe mplayer |
| 03:14.18 | jescis | cantido, totem and xine are independant media players. in fact totem sort of reminds me of mplayer >.> |
| 03:14.51 | cantido | jescis: I couldn't remember,.. so it has it's own engine? |
| 03:15.26 | valan | totem reminds you of mplayer? i'm curious to know how |
| 03:15.55 | enouf | jescis: doesn't totem use some of xine libs or something? |
| 03:16.23 | valan | totem uses gstreamer |
| 03:16.26 | enouf | jmardonesk: i use mplayer for all media, including mp4 |
| 03:16.39 | enouf | valan: ouch ... and yikes |
| 03:16.44 | cantido | enouf: seems it can be either gstreamer or xine, there are totem-gstreamer and totem-xine packages |
| 03:16.48 | jescis | enouf, maybe... I meant from the ui perspective :\ |
| 03:16.52 | valan | gstreamer can be fine |
| 03:17.04 | valan | key words here are "can be" |
| 03:17.32 | ksnp | donde : did some search - that's a package right ? |
| 03:17.47 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: yes. |
| 03:17.47 | ksnp | abro : i guess you can't submit bug without email ? |
| 03:17.48 | enouf | cantido: good point - i thought i recalled something about xine |
| 03:17.54 | ksnp | ok |
| 03:17.57 | jmardonesk | mplayer show me an error, error opening /inizializing the video_out -vo device and play only te sounf of the video |
| 03:17.59 | craigevil | Totem Depends: totem-plugins (>= 2.26.2-2), totem-gstreamer (>= 2.26.2-2) | totem-xine (>= 2.26.2-2) |
| 03:18.08 | enouf | jmardonesk: i use the mplayer from dmm |
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| 03:18.48 | enouf | jmardonesk: try reading some docs, cp /etc/mplayer/config over in your ~/.mpalyer/ and edit according to taste |
| 03:18.59 | valan | hmm i didn't realize totem also had a xine backend |
| 03:19.05 | enouf | jmardonesk: use mplayer -vo xv ... or something on the CLI as tests |
| 03:19.09 | valan | i guess in that case totem could also have an mplayer backend |
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| 03:19.19 | enouf | !tell jmardonesk -about dmm |
| 03:19.30 | jescis | doesn't really use them that much... prefers vlc : |
| 03:19.45 | cantido | valan: or everyone could just work on making mplayer or vlc really good ;) |
| 03:20.06 | valan | what's wrong with mplayer or vlc currently? |
| 03:20.16 | enouf | some people like vlc - i don't dislike it, but mplayer is the shiznitz |
| 03:20.22 | craigevil | mplayer or moc for audio, smplayer for video :) , vlc has never liked me |
| 03:20.22 | cantido | jescis: mplayer has better subtitles and funky formats support.. but both are pretty good |
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| 03:20.36 | jescis | vlc is the best! imo |
| 03:20.41 | enouf | GUI people usually prefer VLC over {g}mplayer |
| 03:20.53 | valan | keep in mind that vlc uses ffmpeg just as mplayer does |
| 03:20.54 | enouf | !start a media player war |
| 03:20.54 | dpkg | mplayer ownz you, and xine sucks ass! |
| 03:21.04 | jmardonesk | mplayer -vo xv work XD thanks guys i realy love that, but i think that its necesary to add at debian wiki, its seems that there is not very clean information about play mp4 files |
| 03:21.04 | zhxk | who knows LzmaLib? |
| 03:21.09 | enouf | ofcourse it does |
| 03:21.32 | cantido | jmardonesk: thats going to be your video hardware not mp4 files though |
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| 03:21.48 | valan | no need for a video player war |
| 03:21.53 | valan | people use what they like |
| 03:21.58 | valan | i like kaffeine |
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| 03:22.08 | enouf | jmardonesk: -vo xv should be the default - you can set that all up in your ~/.mplayer/config |
| 03:22.19 | cantido | valan: kaffeine's DVB stuff is pretty good :) |
| 03:22.24 | jescis | valan, better the kwater ;) |
| 03:22.27 | enouf | valan: i like coffee, but i loathe java |
| 03:22.58 | valan | eh i drink enough water every day, so i need to have some kaffeine every now and then :) |
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| 03:24.09 | enouf | jmardonesk: i do like your enthusiasm to want to spread good news, share what you've learned .. |
| 03:24.09 | enouf | valan: drinking water causes cancer |
| 03:24.10 | jescis | hahaha XD |
| 03:24.10 | cantido | beer FTW |
| 03:24.10 | enouf | especially when it's from Bisphenyl-A plastics |
| 03:24.10 | zhxk | enouf: drink water causes cancer? |
| 03:24.10 | valan | drinking water keeps me alive! |
| 03:24.25 | jescis | then we are all cancerous... 98% water |
| 03:24.32 | enouf | zhxk: yes .. why are you surprised? |
| 03:24.39 | valan | i have one of three choices: drink a lot of bottled water, drink a lot of caffeine, or drink nothing and dehydrate |
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| 03:24.50 | enouf | jescis: we are 98% *salt* water |
| 03:25.05 | valan | drinking a lot of caffeine will also cause dehydration btw |
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| 03:25.18 | enouf | stops with the OT - sorry |
| 03:25.24 | valan | heh |
| 03:25.50 | cantido | enouf: if everyone here gets cancer there's no more channel.. |
| 03:25.57 | enouf | it's just appropriate here - let's just deal with technical debian issues |
| 03:26.11 | quitte | valan: no it doesn't. worked in social care a while. and while coffee makes you run to the toilet a lot apparently you keep slightly more than you loose |
| 03:26.13 | enouf | BTW - which channel should i /j in order to ask about |
| 03:26.52 | jescis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.57 | enouf | "what happens to Rabbit-ear antenna usage (for _Audio/Broadcast Radio_ only) once we go all Digital?" |
| 03:27.10 | enouf | erm, in the USA |
| 03:27.16 | valan | join #debian-offtopic to continue the offtopic stuff |
| 03:27.26 | craigevil | i thought we did go all HD on june 12 |
| 03:27.48 | zhxk | well, i'm a biology studdent, i know peapole always have lot's of cancers, but most of them is killed by their immune systems so long as they keep strong, well rest |
| 03:27.53 | quitte | no. you went all digital |
| 03:28.04 | enouf | craigevil: i thought it was very close to sometime in the past/present/future -- please reTense me :-) |
| 03:28.46 | jescis | enouf, they could be used for decoration ;) |
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| 03:29.27 | cantido | most countries have been running "digital" for ages.. DVB-C and DVB-S .. it's only terristrial that's lagging behind |
| 03:29.33 | enouf | zhxk: student != masters on particular subjects .. plus i bet you are quite young, compared to others like me - do you believe some people aquire wisdom with age? GAH == offtopic!@ |
| 03:29.58 | jescis | like walking is done for "fun" more now because of the vehicles and roads ;) |
| 03:30.08 | enouf | cantido: terrestrial, but nm that |
| 03:30.09 | bujin | hi does anybody know a good manual of sql-ledger installation? |
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| 03:30.24 | valan | enouf should join #debian-offtopic ! |
| 03:30.34 | cantido | enouf: ah, never been good at the spellings |
| 03:32.05 | zhxk | yup, i think so |
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| 04:10.24 | Wicked | hello all. i have radvd installed and configured but it doesnt want to start at boot time. any ideas? |
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| 04:13.09 | Tramp | Wicked: I have no specific idea, just generic ones. Is there a startup-file in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 04:13.24 | Wicked | yea. |
| 04:13.39 | Wicked | i can start it with /etc/init.d/radvd start |
| 04:13.50 | Tramp | Wicked: are there runlevel-links? |
| 04:14.02 | Wicked | im not sure |
| 04:14.17 | Wicked | everythings default. i installed radvd and configured it |
| 04:14.29 | Tramp | Wicked: what's the name of the startup file? /etc/init.d/radvd? |
| 04:14.35 | Wicked | yea |
| 04:14.44 | Tramp | ah, you said that already, sorry. |
| 04:15.13 | Wicked | would that script run before the network is started? |
| 04:15.17 | Tramp | find /etc -name \*radvd\* does it show the links, in particular in rc2.d? |
| 04:15.30 | Wicked | im thinking maby radvd refuses to start if the interface is not configured |
| 04:15.48 | Tramp | that could well be the case |
| 04:15.56 | Wicked | there are several files Tramp |
| 04:16.06 | Wicked | and yes there is one in rc2.d |
| 04:16.33 | Wicked | could i adjust radvd to start later on in the boot process? |
| 04:16.59 | Tramp | Wicked: why would you want to do that? What's the number in the sequende (S??) |
| 04:17.06 | Tramp | sequence. |
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| 04:17.23 | Wicked | its also weird i have setup a ipv6 tunnel via the /etc/network/interfaces file but the interface is not brought up during boot. i need to do "ifup he-ipv6" |
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| 04:17.35 | Wicked | /etc/rc2.d/S50radvd |
| 04:17.41 | Wicked | S50 |
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| 04:18.51 | Tramp | yeah - well, networking is started lower runlevels already, so my last question was not even relevant. So you have problems with your interface coming up automatically? |
| 04:19.04 | Wicked | yea that too |
| 04:19.12 | Wicked | i have this in my interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/m127ae685 |
| 04:19.23 | Wicked | except mines got real info |
| 04:19.54 | Wicked | it just doesnt work during boot...i have to ssh in and ifup he-ipv6 |
| 04:20.01 | Wicked | and then it works fine |
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| 04:20.36 | Tramp | Wicked: well, then either (1) fix this interface problem or (2) add a post-up-line for this daemon to your interfaces-file |
| 04:21.11 | Tramp | Wicked: then the ifup will also trigger the startup of the radvd |
| 04:21.20 | Wicked | hmm |
| 04:21.32 | Wicked | id much prefer to have this interface brought up during boot |
| 04:21.50 | Wicked | im naturally lazy |
| 04:21.50 | Tramp | Wicked: well, then that's your real problem |
| 04:21.52 | Wicked | ;0 |
| 04:22.08 | Wicked | indeed. from everything ive read though that should work fine. |
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| 04:22.58 | Tramp | Wicked: hmm. well. no idea. That's a ipv6 in ipv4 - tunnel -interface? |
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| 04:23.05 | Wicked | yea |
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| 04:23.28 | Wicked | and if it works with ifup...shouldnt it get brought up during boot also? |
| 04:23.32 | Tramp | well, is order a problem (since the tunnel-IF needs the real-IF first)? |
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| 04:24.16 | Wicked | well he-ip6 is below eth0 in the file |
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| 04:25.13 | Tramp | Wicked: not that I know, what I'm talking about, but maybe make the v6 not "auto" and trigger it as post-up of the v4 - I don't really know, if the ifup command run at startup honors order in the interfaces file - would have to check the manpage if it says something. |
| 04:25.38 | wuto | how can i make the kernal stop trying to find the floppy drive at boot time? it's wasting a lot of time just trying to find it |
| 04:25.49 | wuto | and i don't have one |
| 04:25.59 | Wicked | hmm ok |
| 04:26.15 | Tramp | Wicked: hmm. It should ... do you have "auto eth0 he-ipv6" in one line? |
| 04:26.26 | cantido | wuto: have you disabled it in your bios? |
| 04:26.32 | Wicked | no |
| 04:26.47 | Tramp | Wicked: the manpage is IMHO not clear about what it does with multiple "auto" stanzas. So put them on one line. |
| 04:27.26 | wuto | cantido: no, i don't need to because i don't have that problem with other distros.... i don't know what exactly it's trying to do but it mentions the floopy drive and times more time to boot it seems |
| 04:27.39 | wuto | takes more* |
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| 04:29.47 | cantido | wuto: if you don't have a floppy drive you shouldn't have one configured in the bios.. I would have thought that'd make sense. Where exactly is it hanging though? |
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| 04:30.34 | Wicked | Tramp, ok ill try that |
| 04:30.43 | wuto | cantido: well when it boots there's bunch of text and than it hangs when it mentions somethiing about floppy drive and than it continus booting normally |
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| 04:32.24 | wuto | cantido: i don't know if this is normal really.... debian 5 |
| 04:32.57 | cantido | wuto: try disabling the floppy in the bios and see if it helps, it might be something totally different |
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| 04:33.21 | vn | I've seen computers detecting floppies even if theres none... |
| 04:35.30 | wuto | cantido: ok will try thanks :-) |
| 04:36.32 | cantido | vn: PC hardware is junk ;) |
| 04:37.36 | wuto | cantido: you use powerpc? |
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| 04:38.35 | cantido | wuto: I've used alsorts.. ppc, 68k, sparc.. |
| 04:38.49 | vn | then tell me whats NOT junk :p |
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| 04:43.22 | luckylucy7 | samba is dead, thought i would ask here, i can't join a domain, when i do net join domain, it replies cannot join pdchostname, which i can't figure out...smbclient only works anonymous something is up... |
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| 04:46.34 | stew | ew |
| 04:50.01 | luckylucy7 | what determines the Role: in testparm...pdc is showing standalone, but i have preferred master, domain master and wins support set to yes and os leve at 64..... |
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| 04:52.45 | karlpinc | cantido : Yes, but it's cheap junk. |
| 04:52.49 | luckylucy7 | nm, domain logons.... |
| 04:52.52 | cantido | karlpinc: yup |
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| 04:54.29 | enouf | vn: that's called "bad BIOSses" |
| 04:55.52 | vn | can be that in some cases...but whats it when windoes doesnt do that but linux does? |
| 04:56.14 | enouf | wuto: /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt should do it - as well as any grun --no-floppy options ,,, perhaps the update-initramfs |
| 04:56.53 | enouf | s/grun/grub/ |
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| 04:58.57 | enouf | wuto: make sure if any floppy drive is there, the cable connection isn't inverted, however, have you been booting off a floppy version of grub lately |
| 04:59.00 | enouf | ? |
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| 05:06.46 | wuto | enouf: no i don't even have a floppy drive |
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| 05:07.30 | Ficthe | hi, searching for 'terminus' in synaptic yields these two results: console-terminus and xfonts-terminus, any idea what the essential difference is? I'm stumped |
| 05:07.54 | Ficthe | at the end of the day, I just wanna use terminus for urxvt :) |
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| 05:12.07 | enouf | Ficthe: apt-cach show ,.. |
| 05:12.13 | enouf | Ficthe: apt-cache show ,.. |
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| 05:13.30 | enouf | but it's obvious from the names, one is Console related, the other, X related |
| 05:14.12 | enouf | see the 'x' in urxvt ? |
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| 05:14.50 | Ficthe | okie dokie, I'll get xfonts-terminus then :) |
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| 05:15.58 | enouf | Ficthe: as root/sudo; update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 05:16.10 | enouf | if you want to set urxvt as default |
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| 05:39.26 | ajavid | hi |
| 05:44.33 | sylarr | anyone know how to change "org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no" ? |
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| 05:51.12 | enouf | sylarr: why? just curious |
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| 05:51.35 | tuxnani | anyone working on manets |
| 05:51.47 | enouf | rgrep unmount /etc/hal* |
| 05:52.07 | enouf | likely some shitty .fdi file |
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| 05:52.40 | enouf | man hal<tab><tab> |
| 05:53.13 | sylarr | enouf, multi user=why |
| 05:53.15 | enouf | ajavid: nobody care - goodbye |
| 05:53.34 | enouf | sylarr: not even close to a good enough reason |
| 05:53.42 | enouf | the users' |
| 05:54.07 | enouf | the 'users' mount option on sane Linux FStypes allows for umounting |
| 05:54.11 | sylarr | enouf, why not? |
| 05:54.16 | enouf | that |
| 05:54.21 | enouf | that's why |
| 05:54.44 | enouf | stupid fucken ' so close to Enter key |
| 05:54.47 | sylarr | enouf, so u say if I add to users, i can umount? |
| 05:55.03 | enouf | !spank ajavid for making Enter such an intolerable thing |
| 05:55.03 | dpkg | bends ajavid for making Enter such an intolerable thing over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 05:55.25 | enouf | man mount |
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| 05:58.00 | sylarr | enouf, added myself to users, and it don't allow umounting |
| 05:58.17 | sylarr | enouf, /sbin/umount.hal: Unmounting /media/disk failed: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no <-- (privilege, result) |
| 05:58.43 | simNIX | log out and in ? |
| 05:59.10 | enouf | you don't add yourself to users |
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| 05:59.54 | enouf | you actually have a group named users? |
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| 06:00.38 | sylarr | enouf, yes |
| 06:00.43 | muuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | hi ? |
| 06:00.46 | muuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | i am chileam |
| 06:00.49 | sylarr | enouf, and I added myself as root |
| 06:01.04 | enouf | that's the most stupidest fucken thing i ever heard of -- sorry |
| 06:01.13 | muuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | Someone does Spanish speak? |
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| 06:01.34 | sylarr | enouf, I see u are in a bad mood. |
| 06:01.36 | enouf | < enouf> the 'users' mount option on sane Linux FStypes allows for umounting |
| 06:01.42 | muuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | help , please |
| 06:01.42 | enouf | 01:45 < enouf> man mount |
| 06:02.24 | espa | hi ? |
| 06:02.32 | enouf | just tired - sorry ... |
| 06:02.42 | enouf | wanders off |
| 06:03.01 | sylarr | enouf, I am not mounting these manually, they are automounted to an autogenerated dir |
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| 06:03.27 | espa | help ! , please |
| 06:03.31 | Shtl | Hello All |
| 06:03.32 | enouf | well tell the stupid automounting thingy what to do, and with which options |
| 06:03.55 | sylarr | enouf, that is what I am looking for |
| 06:04.14 | sylarr | ""anyone know how to change "org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no" ?"" |
| 06:04.17 | espa | Shtl hello |
| 06:04.28 | enouf | there's nothing to look for except FStype and relevant mount options |
| 06:04.52 | espa | Do you use debian? |
| 06:05.02 | Shtl | yes |
| 06:05.05 | Shtl | lenny |
| 06:05.19 | enouf | sylarr: hal is no automounter - though it might play a role |
| 06:05.27 | espa | :( |
| 06:05.27 | Shtl | In lenny my akregator application is not at all running, if run from terminal there no message itself it just hangs, what may be the probs?? |
| 06:05.50 | espa | heeeeeeelp ! please |
| 06:05.53 | espa | help |
| 06:05.59 | espa | i am chileam |
| 06:06.50 | jpinx | !es |
| 06:06.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:07.13 | espa | dpkg |
| 06:07.18 | espa | hablas español |
| 06:07.19 | espa | ? |
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| 06:17.50 | sylarr | enouf, tried adding users option to the gconf-editor system storage vfat |
| 06:17.57 | sylarr | enouf, taht didn't work |
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| 06:30.06 | Lovecraft | Sheeit .. you still awake? |
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| 06:33.50 | BubbaT | Is there a way to tell what graphics chipet is installed on my system? |
| 06:34.05 | ham5 | lspci ? |
| 06:34.09 | ham5 | xorg log |
| 06:34.12 | Lovecraft | lspci -vv | less |
| 06:35.07 | sylarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.47 | ham5 | the sky is blue |
| 06:36.14 | BubbaT | Ok. That gives me a rough idea, but can I find out precisely> |
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| 06:36.40 | Lovecraft | lspci -vv | less <, Will tell you precisely .. look for the vga controller. |
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| 06:37.44 | sylarr | I have a problem that gnome stopped automounting |
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| 07:07.22 | The_Dr | Hi, can anyone tell me why the server md5sum and jigdo folders show 5 powerpc dvds but there is only one available? |
| 07:07.24 | cheako | sorry, can you get it from packages.debian.org? |
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| 07:07.48 | The_Dr | cheako: all servers evne the main one only have one |
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| 07:08.06 | simonrvn | The_Dr: please stick to asking in one channel at a time. thanks |
| 07:08.27 | The_Dr | simonrvn: spreadin the luv |
| 07:09.05 | cheako | The_Dr: haha, sorry wrong answer... obviously if your doing jigdo using packages.debian.org would be problematic. |
| 07:09.56 | cheako | The_Dr: Your saying that debian has 5 official cd's but there is only jigdo files for the first? |
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| 07:10.08 | cheako | Your are... |
| 07:10.15 | cheako | You are... |
| 07:10.17 | simonrvn | dvds |
| 07:10.49 | simonrvn | there are 5 dvds, and they're supposed to be available for all the arches |
| 07:11.04 | simonrvn | The_Dr: heh (RE spreadin the luv) |
| 07:11.23 | simonrvn | +1 for smart(ass) answer :) |
| 07:11.53 | jeromeg | hello |
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| 07:12.00 | jeromeg | I just installed debian testing |
| 07:12.08 | jeromeg | and I'm getting a busybox |
| 07:12.11 | jeromeg | http://pastebin.com/m2bd6d24a |
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| 07:13.00 | jeromeg | I have two dd, vista is installed on one and debian testing on the other |
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| 07:13.34 | jeromeg | grub fails to launch vista (unknown option chainloader) and debian testing results in a busybox with the log above |
| 07:13.47 | jeromeg | I'm wondering what causes this |
| 07:14.31 | jeromeg | a kernel problem? a grub problem? |
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| 07:16.50 | Fenz | good morning |
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| 07:19.24 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: what about manually booting from grub with trial and error? |
| 07:19.44 | jeromeg | greenmang0: how can I do that? |
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| 07:20.31 | Fenz | could someone help me on installing horde ? |
| 07:20.33 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: when grub loads press c to get grub prompt and try starting M$ stuff by manually provide commands to grub |
| 07:20.44 | luckylucy | how can i get my dual display to work in extended desktop. only works in clone now, if i switch i loose both monitors. |
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| 07:21.06 | jeromeg | greenmang0: ok, I'll search for that |
| 07:21.47 | luckylucy | lose, not loose |
| 07:22.15 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: you should know properly how many partitions you have on hard disk and what is installed on what partition |
| 07:22.18 | greenmang0 | luckylucy: :) |
| 07:22.47 | jeromeg | greenmang0: yeah, I know that |
| 07:23.35 | cantido | luckylucy: how are you configuring it? |
| 07:24.58 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: http://tinyurl.com/29tk4t this might help |
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| 07:25.42 | luckylucy | cantido: sorry, wrong forum, unless you can help with suse, just habit, the servers are lenny :) |
| 07:26.06 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone point me in the right direction for getting direct rendering working on my radeon 9200? |
| 07:26.09 | luckylucy | cantido: this is on a laptop |
| 07:26.26 | jeromeg | greenmang0: thanks a lot! |
| 07:26.38 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: np |
| 07:26.57 | cantido | luckylucy: you need to check out xrandr basically. |
| 07:27.20 | starenka | hi, my cdrom is dead and i dont have any flash drive, can i use usb hdd to boot & install debian (linux). i just treat the hdd as flash drive (using unetbootin or such)? |
| 07:28.01 | tuxnani | starenka:of course you can |
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| 07:28.38 | starenka | ty |
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| 07:30.55 | jeromeg | greenmang0: my grub is likely to be totally borked, it odes not recognize any of the options and just throws 'unknown command' out |
| 07:31.11 | jeromeg | i'll try to reinstall using a debian stable and then upgrading to testing |
| 07:31.40 | rexwin | tailf isn't working in my system to check the logs in real time |
| 07:32.27 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: reinstall might solve your problem, but won't make you understand your problem :) |
| 07:32.27 | milligan_ | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped <- How can I decompile this? |
| 07:32.41 | jeromeg | greenmang0: yeah :D |
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| 07:35.41 | jeromeg | I'll see later hwo I can fix that, thank you for your help greenmang0 |
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| 07:39.23 | cantido | milligan_: with a decompiler.. |
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| 07:48.01 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to resolve if I can't ping yahoo.com but only its IP address? |
| 07:48.34 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: you need to add some val,id nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:49.30 | kasimon | rhineheart_m: first thing you should try is to ping the nameservers in your /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:49.36 | Guerin | add 4.2.2.2 as a nameserver, then look up your ISP's - try a nslookup on ns1.yourisp.com and ns2.yourisp.com; if those |
| 07:49.45 | Guerin | don't work contact your isp |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | 4.2.2.[123456] are always going to work, but might be slow |
| 07:51.08 | rhineheart_m | my entries there are correct already.. is it really needs to have search domain.com in the first line? |
| 07:51.14 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: no. |
| 07:51.14 | rhineheart_m | what's the search... for? |
| 07:51.14 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: if you're unable to look up sites, the entries aren't right |
| 07:51.14 | Fenz | could some1 gimme a hint what spamblocker etc i should use w/ squirrelmail |
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| 07:51.15 | Guerin | they might be valid, but they don't work, so change them to some which do |
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| 07:51.20 | Guerin | Fenz: you don't use a smapblocker with a webmail client, you use it server-side or in a desktop client |
| 07:51.29 | Guerin | Fenz: talk to your mailserver's admin |
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| 07:51.37 | Fenz | Guerin err i am the admin |
| 07:51.47 | Fenz | so talking to mirror wont help tbh |
| 07:52.31 | Guerin | Fenz: install spamassassin at server level and be happy |
| 07:52.34 | rhineheart_m | how about changing it to the router's IP? |
| 07:52.48 | zophy | with update-alternatives how do i add an alternative to a group ? |
| 07:52.50 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: does your router run a nameserver? |
| 07:53.04 | rhineheart_m | it's dd-wrt.. I dunno though |
| 07:53.18 | rhineheart_m | the default settings.. |
| 07:53.22 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: suck it and see. many do, that would work very well if it's the case. |
| 07:53.23 | _Maru_ | my gnome panel is covering the applications any ideas? example... my top panel covers the app name the min/max/close buttons |
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| 07:53.52 | Guerin | _Maru_: solution: don't use gnome. Otherwise, you could set it to autohide |
| 07:54.05 | rhineheart_m | it uses opendns IP 208.67.222.222 .. but even if I will ping it it won't work |
| 07:54.11 | Fenz | -bash: /etc/default/spamassassin: Permission denied |
| 07:54.15 | ttl_work | Hi |
| 07:54.28 | Guerin | Fenz: why are you trying to run a default file? |
| 07:54.42 | Fenz | Guerin how should i enable it then ? |
| 07:54.53 | Fenz | i did aptitude install spamassassin |
| 07:54.54 | Guerin | Fenz: edit the fucking file |
| 07:55.07 | Guerin | Fenz: reading the instructions helps |
| 07:55.12 | zophy | _Maru_, maximize the windows, or there might be an always on top option to disable |
| 07:55.14 | rhineheart_m | Guerin, do you have an idea? But I can access the apache (http) of the server.. the problem is pinging to the outside |
| 07:55.23 | Guerin | randomly trying to run shit doesn't |
| 07:55.36 | zophy | with update-alternatives how do i add an alternative to a group ? |
| 07:55.47 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: hang on, you said you could ping yahoo.com's ip. can you, or not? |
| 07:55.48 | rhineheart_m | I could ping the server.. |
| 07:55.52 | ronr | hi, one of my machines got into trouble (hugh load memory usage) so now I try to login using ssh (the port is still open, machine is pingable) so I can kill the processes causing the problems, however ssh has been trying to login for about 45 minutes now :( any clue to avoid having to wait around all day for a login? |
| 07:55.57 | rhineheart_m | sorry.. it won't.. |
| 07:56.00 | Guerin | zophy: if anyone knew, they'd have answered |
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| 07:56.09 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: won't what? |
| 07:56.18 | SebastianS | _Maru_ I think it is a metacity bug. had the same, try to kill metacity and restart it. that helps for me. |
| 07:56.32 | rhineheart_m | it won't ping any address to the outside.. except my router's IP |
| 07:56.45 | ttl_work | I'm using testing and having a problem with gnome, borders of maximized windows are behind panels on top and bottom of the screen, i've already tried with another WM (blackbox) with the same result... |
| 07:56.58 | ttl_work | I also tried to create a new user with the same result |
| 07:57.00 | Guerin | rhineheart_m: then the problem is bigger than dns. Fix your router. I can't tell you how (and it's not a debian problem anyhow) |
| 07:57.08 | zophy | hahah that guy is waiting 12 days for his server to stop swapping to disk |
| 07:57.12 | SebastianS | ttl_work try to restart metacity |
| 07:57.30 | rhineheart_m | Guerin, I guess this is not a router's problem.. |
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| 07:58.20 | Guerin | !guess |
| 07:58.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, guess is an hypothesis based on nothing |
| 07:58.43 | Guerin | if you can ping the router but nothing beyond, it is 100% definitely a router problem |
| 07:58.48 | zophy | ttl_work, gpanel might have config option to always be on top that you can disable |
| 07:58.56 | Fenz | Guerin can i create spamassassin automaticly make the rules for new email users etc ? |
| 07:59.11 | Guerin | !htfsis Fenz |
| 07:59.15 | Guerin | !htfsik Fenz |
| 07:59.25 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 07:59.31 | Guerin | !htfswk Fenz |
| 07:59.31 | dpkg | Fenz: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:59.40 | ttl_work | SebastianS: Sending a kill -HUP <pidofmetacity> worked |
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| 08:00.17 | _Maru_ | SebastianS: you were right it was metacity how did you find it lol I tried looking for it every where |
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| 08:00.24 | SebastianS | ttl_work yeah I had the same prob, found some hints on the web about that but nothing permanent. i have to do that every time I start gnome |
| 08:00.26 | ttl_work | SebastianS: Will it be still ok next login, i guess not... |
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| 08:00.45 | ttl_work | SebastianS: ok ic |
| 08:00.46 | SebastianS | ttl_work _Maru_ no for me it does not survive the login |
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| 08:01.01 | SebastianS | no idea how to do that permanently |
| 08:01.13 | _Maru_ | did your fuck up after the last upgrade? |
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| 08:01.58 | _Maru_ | i'm gonna try to roll back the metacity package see if that works |
| 08:02.00 | ttl_work | _Maru_: no |
| 08:02.04 | SebastianS | yes 3 days ago |
| 08:02.13 | cuddlefish | Okay, big issue here. Kernel panics with "VFS not syncing, unknown block (3,65)" after an upgrade |
| 08:02.22 | ttl_work | _Maru_: going to try to rolback to |
| 08:02.26 | ttl_work | too even |
| 08:02.51 | ttl_work | what's the command for rolling back ? |
| 08:02.53 | ttl_work | lol |
| 08:03.08 | cuddlefish | ttl_work: "R O L A I D S" |
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| 08:03.33 | ttl_work | cuddlefish: :) |
| 08:05.27 | cuddlefish | Kernel panics with "VFS not syncing, unknown block (3,65)" after an upgrade |
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| 08:08.23 | cuddlefish | Come on, anybody, anybody? I'm gonna be here all day, folks. |
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| 08:09.36 | aLTer_ | http://lists.debian.org => connection timout. it it my ISP problem or lists are down? |
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| 08:19.24 | kasimon | I'm currently upgrading a old local package for lenny. What should the value of Standards-Version be? |
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| 08:22.21 | ttl_work | cuddlefish: maybe autorun "pidof metacity | while read PID; do kill -HUP $PID; done" somewhere until it's fixed |
| 08:22.27 | bindshell | is there no any update on errata? |
| 08:22.37 | cuddlefish | wut? |
| 08:22.53 | cuddlefish | me? |
| 08:23.22 | ttl_work | cuddlefish: no sorry SebastianS |
| 08:23.46 | cuddlefish | Ohhhhhh. Now it makes sense. |
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| 08:24.54 | bindshell | no updates yet? |
| 08:24.55 | ttl_work | :) |
| 08:24.56 | SebastianS | ttl_work yes, I have a small script too. no long term solution, but fine for me till it's fixed. it is testing after all :) |
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| 08:25.38 | ttl_work | SebastianS: Where did you put it to autorun, or do you run it manually? |
| 08:26.23 | SebastianS | I have several "profile startup files" I run after every login, depending on my location. I put it in there, easiest for me |
| 08:26.53 | ttl_work | SebastianS: k |
| 08:27.01 | SebastianS | but gnome probably allows something nicer and automatic, but as I have to choose my location manually, one double click each login does not hurt |
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| 08:27.19 | ttl_work | :) |
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| 08:30.43 | jeromeg | greenmang0: I found my problem, I had installed / as ext4 |
| 08:30.51 | jeromeg | grub does not like that |
| 08:30.54 | jeromeg | stupid me |
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| 08:34.06 | _Maru_ | SebastianS ttl_work ... unrolling was too much of a pain too many deps... but if you upgrade to the sid version metacity_2.26.0-3_i386 it works |
| 08:34.15 | starenka | hi, i'm quite confused. is it c2d 64bit processor? i've just burned lenny ia64 cd and it fails to boot. all i see is a blinking cursor... |
| 08:34.27 | peterva | Anyone here has experience with setting up ircd-hybrid? |
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| 08:34.52 | starenka | here's cpuinfo http://crap.starenka.net/cpu |
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| 08:35.43 | chrisg | i heard debian was pronounced deebeeeannn |
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| 08:36.15 | Will\work | I heard it was illegal in 25 states |
| 08:36.18 | Will\work | that's half the world! |
| 08:36.22 | ttl_work | _Maru_: yeah indeed, i tried it too |
| 08:36.45 | SebastianS | _Maru_ thanks, will try |
| 08:36.50 | ttl_work | _Maru_: Ok going to SID :) |
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| 08:37.08 | chrisg | aren't SID's contagious |
| 08:37.11 | chrisg | oh wwait, that's STD's |
| 08:37.14 | ttl_work | _Maru_: Thanks a lot |
| 08:37.18 | _Maru_ | http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/metacity/download |
| 08:37.26 | hark | starenka: you want amd64 instead |
| 08:37.31 | _Maru_ | you can download that version there and just do a dpkg -i on it |
| 08:37.59 | starenka | hark: rly? this is really confusing... i gave an intel processor |
| 08:38.08 | starenka | s/gave/have |
| 08:38.25 | hark | !ia64 |
| 08:38.25 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 08:38.35 | starenka | o |
| 08:38.37 | starenka | sry |
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| 08:39.01 | hark | starenka: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 08:39.04 | starenka | how to make idiot of oneself in one minute :) |
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| 08:40.00 | hark | no, it is confusing :) |
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| 08:40.58 | ttl_work | _Maru_: done :) |
| 08:41.10 | ttl_work | brb |
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| 08:41.46 | starenka | hark: you think it's worth to use amd64 instead of i386? i mean i already have one comp w/ amd64 (yes, it's amd :) ), it's seems to run much faster (maybe just big eyes of mine). i mean is there any bench which proves that? |
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| 08:43.25 | starenka | hark: in general, is there a point to undertake some difficulties w/ apps to gain performance (if any)? |
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| 08:44.15 | ttl_work | _Maru_: Works! :-) |
| 08:44.45 | _Maru_ | sweet |
| 08:45.52 | ttl_work | SebastianS: Did you upgrade to the sid package too? |
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| 08:46.39 | SebastianS | ttl_work yeah, but did no restart yet, will see this eve when I go home :) |
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| 08:49.48 | ttl_work | SebastianS: ok :) |
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| 08:51.26 | jones- | Hello. |
| 08:51.52 | jones- | I'm running Debian 5.0 and I'd like to install postgresql 8.2, but Debian offers me 8.3. I specifically need 8.2. How can I install it? Thasnks! |
| 08:51.56 | Sashi | hey guys |
| 08:52.17 | quazza | hi all. Quick question. I want to install a late version of wine. I am using debian testing. What is the best way to install a later version of wine? Should I get the pull the debian git repo of wine and build that? Or is there another recommended way? |
| 08:52.37 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/1475239 << how can i get /dev/sda2 to use the remainder of the disk?? |
| 08:54.22 | mamalujo | quazza, why not use wines debian repo? or newer than that? |
| 08:54.53 | quazza | wine has a "ubuntu" apt repo, but it smells fishy |
| 08:55.41 | greenmang0 | jeromeg: oh... i didn't know it either :) |
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| 08:56.06 | quazza | and im not sure if debian has debian specific options |
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| 08:56.36 | mamalujo | quazza: hm, only ubuntu? there used to be a debian one.. |
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| 08:59.39 | mamalujo | quazza: well, their site still lists a repo for lenny, squeeze and sid |
| 08:59.48 | greenmang0 | Sashi: only option is to delete /dev/sda2 and recreate it using remaining space |
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| 09:00.00 | Sashi | or i can lvm2 |
| 09:00.01 | Sashi | :P |
| 09:00.19 | quazza | mamalujo, where abouts? i must be completely blind |
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| 09:00.23 | greenmang0 | Sashi: is it possible? .. may be |
| 09:01.12 | greenmang0 | Sashi: but i doubt.. get it confirmed by any debian guru here |
| 09:01.33 | Sashi | well sda3 is only swap |
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| 09:01.53 | Sashi | so ill just delete sda2 and 3 and sda2 to be swap sda3 to be everything else |
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| 09:02.37 | mamalujo | www.winehq.org/download/deblenny , scroll a little for squeeze apt line |
| 09:02.45 | greenmang0 | yeah.. but since you have god huge space on your HDD you should have considered LVM at the time of installation only :) |
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| 09:02.56 | greenmang0 | s/god/got |
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| 09:03.30 | quazza | mamalujo, oh, thanks |
| 09:03.42 | mamalujo | quazza: np |
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| 09:09.58 | C2H5OH | hi |
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| 09:10.25 | C2H5OH | what's the policy for removing older package versions in mirrors? |
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| 09:10.50 | themill | it should happen automatically when no release uses that package any more. Why do you ask? |
| 09:10.50 | azeem | C2H5OH: what do you mean? |
| 09:11.50 | C2H5OH | azeem: well, it is a way of asking why is there xserver-xorg-core_1.6.1.901-3_i386.deb |
| 09:12.09 | C2H5OH | but not xserver-xorg-core_1.6.1.901-2_i386.deb |
| 09:12.35 | C2H5OH | whereas xserver-xorg-core_1.6.1.901-2_amd64.deb exists |
| 09:13.01 | themill | it's probably a very recent upload that hasn't yet been build on amd64 |
| 09:13.05 | azeem | maybe that version did not get uploaded in time when -3 get uploaded |
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| 09:13.38 | C2H5OH | which one, -3_i386 ?? |
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| 09:14.32 | C2H5OH | themill: -3_amd64 exists |
| 09:14.34 | themill | C2H5OH: the -3 package was uploaded for i386 on Jun 23. It then takes time to be built for other architectures (amd64) and then takes some time to get to the mirrors. The amd64 package now exists for -3 and should hit that mirror soon |
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| 09:15.27 | C2H5OH | well, I think I should rephrase |
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| 09:15.59 | hark | what's up with sdn? is there an alternative? |
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| 09:16.17 | mamalujo | well, the inevitable has happened, x have eventually decided to crash after I upgraded them to unstable and deinstalled the graphics driver, w replacement nouveau not gotten built right after all. Im amazed they kept running for almost two days like that :) |
| 09:16.22 | C2H5OH | does anyone has xserver-xorg-core_1.6.1.901-2_i386.deb so I can workaround bug #534541 |
| 09:16.41 | hark | !dbugs 534541 |
| 09:16.45 | dpkg | #534541:S[xserver-xorg-core] xserver-xorg-core: upgrade from 2:1.6.1.901-2 to 2:1.6.1.901-3 breaks DRI2 (); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:15:02 UTC [534475 534487 534522] |
| 09:17.07 | themill | C2H5OH: is it still in you /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 09:17.22 | C2H5OH | themill: no :-( |
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| 09:17.35 | C2H5OH | I have very little space remaining, so I clean it often |
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| 09:18.45 | hark | C2H5OH: intel? |
| 09:18.59 | C2H5OH | hark: yes |
| 09:19.16 | hark | use accelmethod exa in the meantime |
| 09:19.45 | C2H5OH | I have kernel modesetting, should I recompile? |
| 09:21.47 | hark | no, how have you enabled KMS? via /etc/initramfs-tools? |
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| 09:21.52 | C2H5OH | hark: I use a vanilla kernel |
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| 09:24.42 | C2H5OH | hark: without ramdisk, it's a custom configuration |
| 09:24.43 | hark | C2H5OH: Option "AccelMethod" "exa" |
| 09:24.46 | C2H5OH | hark: I'm just testing it |
| 09:25.24 | hark | C2H5OH: what does dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel |tail -1 say? |
| 09:25.45 | hark | hey, KMS works by default now here. nice |
| 09:26.02 | C2H5OH | 2:2.7.1-1 |
| 09:26.23 | C2H5OH | same visual problem with exa, by the way |
| 09:26.45 | C2H5OH | here's a sample: http://www.krenel.net/pics/weird.png |
| 09:27.11 | C2H5OH | you can see how WM decorations are properly rendered (as well as taskbar's) |
| 09:27.17 | C2H5OH | but not the rest |
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| 09:28.04 | hark | yeah, so you have a few options... |
| 09:28.23 | hark | either downgrade to 1.6.1.901-2 |
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| 09:28.56 | hark | or rebuild the drivers |
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| 09:30.49 | hark | i'd try with 2:2.7.99.901-2 from experimental |
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| 09:31.46 | C2H5OH | hark: so it's the driver, not the xorg-server |
| 09:32.10 | C2H5OH | anyway, I'll try the experimental driver |
| 09:32.26 | C2H5OH | downgrading seems impossible as I'm unable to find the package on the internet |
| 09:32.51 | mamalujo | How to enable compose (Multi key) in console? went through dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, but while that worked initially, cant seem to reproduce this now |
| 09:33.14 | hark | the experimental driver won't work as well, unless it's been updated today |
| 09:33.55 | hark | C2H5OH: There's an ABI break in DRI2 in the latest xserver-xorg-core. it's mentioned in the bts |
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| 09:34.05 | C2H5OH | hark: I know |
| 09:34.21 | hark | you have two options, both will work |
| 09:34.32 | C2H5OH | hark: I'm going to try Google's cache to see if I can find the package |
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| 09:35.53 | reb13 | hi all. got problems with gtkguitune, not recording from mic, whil all is ok with alsamixer |
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| 09:39.30 | C2H5OH | hark: well, the experimental driver works :-)I |
| 09:39.40 | C2H5OH | hark: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 09:42.42 | UT2K3 | hi guys, which package contains qp-encode? |
| 09:43.12 | avu | !tell UT2K3 about search |
| 09:43.23 | UT2K3 | ty |
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| 09:44.21 | C2H5OH | hark: talked too soon, now Menu rendering freezes the xserver (so I have no keyboard nor mouse to kill it) |
| 09:45.10 | hark | C2H5OH: you have to rebuild it |
| 09:45.23 | C2H5OH | ok |
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| 09:46.31 | hark | not hard, you can follow the simple sid backport procedure, with experimental sources |
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| 09:57.55 | hattst | hi, is there anyway to get a flag indicator similar to kxkb's when I change layouts (on a default gnome debian install)? |
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| 10:04.05 | valdyn | hattst: instead of the text? |
| 10:04.28 | hattst | valdyn, I see no text indicating what current layout I'm using |
| 10:04.45 | valdyn | hattst: theres a gnome keyboard applet |
| 10:04.49 | hattst | I mean, I see that I'm typing with Latin characters.. but I still would like an indicator |
| 10:05.10 | valdyn | hattst: rightclick on panel - add applet |
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| 10:05.24 | valdyn | hattst: however it doesnt use flags as indicator, just text |
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| 10:07.46 | jake[work] | i used pam crack to enforce security and now i can't get with root (or anything else) |
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| 10:07.55 | hattst | valdyn, no, this works for me :) thanks, though, on more question: it's now placed in the dead center, how can I move them into the system tray? |
| 10:08.03 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 10:08.03 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 10:08.07 | valdyn | jake[work]: ^^ |
| 10:08.23 | jake[work] | valdyn: tnx! |
| 10:08.27 | valdyn | hattst: its not a tray app |
| 10:08.33 | valdyn | hattst: you can move it anywhere in the panel |
| 10:09.00 | valdyn | hattst: applets dont sit in the try, its different things |
| 10:09.06 | valdyn | hattst: applets dont sit in the *tary*, its different things |
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| 10:09.10 | valdyn | offs |
| 10:09.15 | valdyn | hattst: applets dont sit in the *tray*, its different things |
| 10:10.05 | hattst | ah, okay. I've moved it to the way left, and that works for me :) thanks again. |
| 10:10.22 | sepult | is there any way to reinstall libc6 ? |
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| 10:11.36 | nkuttler | sepult: apt-get install --reinstal ? |
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| 10:12.06 | mesa_booger | sepult: there sure is |
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| 10:12.26 | sepult | nkuttler: nope, it fails, even when i install with dpkg -i /var/cache/archives/libc6_2.17bla |
| 10:14.10 | chuckkh | hello folks. I'm going to back up my Debian partition with partimage, then install Windows, then restore Debian using http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page ... my question is if running grub after all this will set up the MBR, if I'm not actually running a Debian install disk, but a system rescue CD |
| 10:14.10 | chuckkh | perhaps I should ask another forum? |
| 10:14.11 | nkuttler | sepult: well, why do you want to reinstall it? |
| 10:14.11 | chuckkh | at the moment I just have Debian, but I want to dual boot |
| 10:14.11 | nkuttler | sepult: and what's the error? |
| 10:14.15 | mesa_booger | chuckkh: why the dickens are you installing windows ? have you gone stark raving mad ? |
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| 10:14.58 | mesa_booger | chuckkh: windows will zap your boot sector/grub but you can restore it with a rescue/live cd etc |
| 10:16.21 | mesa_booger | chuckkh: simplest way is to chroot into your debian, and run grub-install /dev/wherever, with your shiny new /boot/grub/menu.lst (grub config file) |
| 10:16.27 | sepult | nkuttler: nkuttler a non dpkg owned copy of the libc6 package was found is the error |
| 10:16.39 | sepult | nkuttler: please remove it and reinstall again it tells me |
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| 10:17.44 | chuckkh | mesa_booger: ok, I think I get that; never used chroot before, but by that point Debian will be on the disk... |
| 10:18.21 | chuckkh | actually I've never done grub-install either, I'll have to read up |
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| 10:19.02 | nkuttler | sepult: hm, that's odd. locate it and remove it? |
| 10:19.23 | nkuttler | sepult: i assume you two libc6 installed? |
| 10:19.24 | sepult | nkuttler: it tells me it's not installed on purging |
| 10:19.33 | kronic | I have a usb tv tuner card, which group should I be a member of in order to use a userland app? |
| 10:19.37 | kronic | getting permission denied |
| 10:19.58 | nkuttler | sepult: can you locate the other libc6? |
| 10:20.37 | nkuttler | sepult: there's dpkg -i --force-help, manually extracting and installing the deb etc |
| 10:20.54 | sepult | nkuttler: i already used --force-all |
| 10:20.59 | mesa_booger | "i just copy any old libc6 into place without bothering about package management" |
| 10:21.02 | sepult | nkuttler: does not change anything |
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| 10:21.30 | nkuttler | what was the command to extract debs again? besides ar |
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| 10:21.46 | petemc | dpkg -x ? |
| 10:21.47 | dpkg | petemc: wish i knew |
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| 10:24.19 | kasimon | nkuttler: you can use mc or dpkg-deb -c |
| 10:24.49 | kasimon | s/-c/-x/ |
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| 10:25.23 | nkuttler | both look fine |
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| 10:28.12 | enouf | ar x will work too |
| 10:28.42 | nkuttler | yeah, dpkg -x and dpkg-deb -x seem to ignore control files |
| 10:28.44 | enouf | oh, _besides_ ar - oops, and yes; dpkg -x is superior |
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| 10:32.49 | chuckkh | ok, so I copy this partition to an external hdd; I install Widnose from CD; I resize and restore this partition with Sys Rescue CD; then I chroot to the Debian root and run grub-install; then I have a working dual-boot system... did I miss anything? |
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| 10:33.15 | jungleboy | what is venet0? |
| 10:33.21 | chuckkh | In this case I don't actually have to use any Debian installer, since I used it already? |
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| 10:37.41 | alcohol | I know it's not debian related, but most of you guys here are a bit tech savier than #ubuntu. I'm trying to access some domains hosted on a local dev server. Most of them work fine, but each one that ends in .local is inaccessible from my desktop. What could cause this? |
| 10:37.44 | cheako | ne1 know if there is a transport for apt-p2p, like apt-transport-debtorrent. |
| 10:37.53 | WormFood | why in the fuck would debian not set my time zone.....I don't expect it to set it properly, if it does not know....but fuck! can't they make it a default setting or something? |
| 10:38.24 | chuckkh | WormFood: yeah, jesus fucking christ |
| 10:38.29 | anigma | does apache2 usually start automatically when I turn on the computer? |
| 10:38.35 | WormFood | Fatal error: date_default_timezone_get() [<a href='function.date-default-timezone-get'>function.date-default-timezone-get</a>]: Timezone database is corrupt - this should *never* happen!.... |
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| 10:38.45 | cheako | alcohol: Are you using NamedVirtualHosts? |
| 10:39.05 | WormFood | I just spent over 2 hours trying to figure out why the fuck phpmyadmin wouldn't work....it wouldn't work because of the god damn time zones being fucked up....thanks debian! |
| 10:39.14 | chuckkh | anigma: if you install from Debian, I believe the default is yes |
| 10:39.18 | alcohol | cheako: <VirtualHost> entries on apache and all domains added in /etc/hosts on the debian server (gateway used as dns server and apache runs on it) |
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| 10:39.45 | anigma | yes I did chuckkh |
| 10:40.02 | chuckkh | anigma: if you don't want it to- as I don't- check out the docs for runlevel scripts |
| 10:40.04 | alcohol | WormFood: could you watch the language? |
| 10:40.35 | chuckkh | anigma: there are scripts in /etc/rcn.d/, where n is the runlevel, that start and end programs when entering or leaving runlevels |
| 10:40.40 | WormFood | I wouldn't be all pissed off if I didn't just waste 2 hours trying to troubleshoot debian's fuckups |
| 10:40.51 | anigma | chuckkh: no, I do want it to start when I boot |
| 10:41.10 | chuckkh | anigma: and you can just change the names of the apache2 scripts- albeit with a pretty strict convention- to kill any running apache2 instead of starting it |
| 10:41.14 | chuckkh | let me find you a link |
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| 10:41.31 | alcohol | WormFood: choosing a timezone is part of pretty much all default debian installation procedures I believe. |
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| 10:41.34 | cheako | alcohol: Apache has several options for VirtualHost. Could the problem be that the host is multi-homed and the external interface is configured correctly while the internal is not? |
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| 10:41.59 | WormFood | alcohol, right, which is what baffles me as to how this could have been fucked up |
| 10:42.00 | alcohol | cheako: well the odd part is, it works fine if I reboot this desktop to winxp. so I'm guessing it's an OS related issue. |
| 10:42.11 | alcohol | WormFood: you failed to pick one? |
| 10:42.25 | alcohol | WormFood: someone (you) changed it and broke it? |
| 10:42.45 | WormFood | I didn't fail to pick one, because I didn't install the server:P |
| 10:42.56 | WormFood | this was a fresh install of the previous stable |
| 10:42.57 | alcohol | WormFood: blame the admin. no use cussing in here. |
| 10:42.58 | cheako | alcohol: What about wsing wine? |
| 10:43.18 | chuckkh | anigma: if you are 100% sure you'll never want it to run on boot, I believe you can just delete all scripts, in all directories that match /etc/rc*.d/, that contain the word apache in the filename |
| 10:43.21 | WormFood | I upgraded it to current stable....still, in either case, the time zone should have been set to something |
| 10:43.31 | chuckkh | there is a way of renaming them, however, in case you want to change them back |
| 10:43.39 | alcohol | cheako: well it only fails on domains that end in .local, so I was just wondering if perhaps there was some rule in some config that makes the machine attempt to resolve the address locally perhaps or something? |
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| 10:43.47 | AlHafoudh | hi all |
| 10:43.47 | WormFood | alcohol, I don't think the source of this problem was the admin, I think the source of this problem was debian |
| 10:44.02 | AlHafoudh | is there a command like head/tail to skip some lines in output from top? |
| 10:44.13 | nkuttler | anigma: man update-rc.de or rcconf |
| 10:44.16 | cheako | alcohol: Perhaps the OS has a list of TLDs and it's missing .local. |
| 10:44.22 | alcohol | WormFood: I've never had such issues with our servers. I think we can say with 100% confidence it was a pebkac issue. |
| 10:44.41 | alcohol | cheako: booted into ubuntu 9.04 right now. |
| 10:44.57 | WormFood | well, the truth is, I don't know where the root of the problem is...I suspect it is in the debian upgrade process |
| 10:45.01 | mbn_18 | Hi, I added ---- * soft nofile 4096 --- to /etc/security/limits.conf . but when I logon ulimit -n return: 1024. Any idea whats wrong? |
| 10:45.05 | themill | WormFood: the more you curse and swear, the less interest anyone has in helping you. |
| 10:45.34 | WormFood | rolls his eyes |
| 10:45.35 | alcohol | WormFood: suspicions won't hold up in court. |
| 10:45.40 | cheako | Ahh, I.C. |
| 10:45.51 | WormFood | if you hadn't noticed, I had already fixed the problem :P |
| 10:45.59 | alcohol | then why the fuzz? |
| 10:46.21 | chuckkh | anigma: I found it |
| 10:46.24 | anigma | chuckkh: I'm trying to setup an easy webserver for me and some friends. I've installed apache, php and mysql and it seems to be running well on my external IP. I'm currently trying to point dynamitt.org to my IP, and I'm just waiting for the DNS changes. But how would I make a subdomain for each user? Like if I have user called "magnus", then I would put a "public_html" folder in his home directory and everything he puts inside there comes up on |
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| 10:47.22 | chuckkh | anigma: actually I'm not too sure about that part |
| 10:47.22 | valdyn | anigma: point subdomains to the same ip, configure virtual hosts in apache accordlingly |
| 10:47.28 | alcohol | anigma: I'd kindly ask you to redirect your question to #httpd, they'd be much more experienced with the subject :) |
| 10:47.51 | chuckkh | anigma: I would like to know the answer, but go ahead without me |
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| 10:48.09 | mapet | hi. can anyone tell me where i can download an old etch iso, or how I can install etch in a virtual machine? |
| 10:48.11 | chuckkh | anigma: but to keep it from starting at boot, change the names in the /etc/rc*.d folders |
| 10:48.17 | yac | ohai, i did upgrade on my squeeze and my sound stoppd working . any suggestions? |
| 10:48.42 | valdyn | anigma: or your users could just use dynamitt.org/~username/, thats easier to set up, its just enabling one apache2 plugin |
| 10:48.45 | themill | WormFood: this is a general thing... you piss enough of the regulars off with your ranting that they just can't be bothered dealing with you the next time you do want help. If you spent less time ranting and trying to aportion blame, then you, and everyone else, would be much happier. |
| 10:48.53 | yac | i noticed it removed my alsa with the upgrade, is there any info on that? |
| 10:49.33 | valdyn | yac: now you know you should not have done the upgrade |
| 10:49.35 | anigma | valdyn: yeah, UserDir ? |
| 10:49.39 | valdyn | yac: this is not unusual, why would there be any special info on that? |
| 10:49.45 | anigma | does that go in the apache2.conf ? |
| 10:50.00 | valdyn | anigma: a2enmod <name> |
| 10:50.01 | yac | valdyn: i dunno, i never encountered this and i dont get it |
| 10:50.03 | chuckkh | thus: for any script in /etc/rc*.d/ that starts with S and contains the name apache, 1: replace S with K; 2: replace the 2-digit number with 100- that number; 3: keep the rest of the filename; 4: e.g.: $:sudo mv /etc/rc4.d/S22apache2 /etc/rc4.d/K78apache2 |
| 10:50.14 | chuckkh | did I get that right, anyone? |
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| 10:50.17 | themill | mapet: etch isos are still available -- /msg dpkg etch |
| 10:50.37 | chuckkh | anigma: then when you boot or reboot or anything, it will make sure apache is *not* running, instead of starting it |
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| 10:50.55 | themill | mapet: is there a reason you want etch not lenny, though? Starting new projects with etch is a matter or running on borrowed time. |
| 10:50.59 | WormFood | themill, I would be much happier if this just worked...if there were reasonable defaults....then I wouldn't rant when I waste my time trying to track down stupid problems, which in turn would make the regulars here happier. |
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| 10:51.23 | themill | WormFood: ranting doesn't actually help though. A good bug report with useful information on how to reproduce would, however. |
| 10:51.33 | themill | dpkg: tell WormFood about reportbug |
| 10:51.36 | yac | ohhh |
| 10:51.40 | yac | alsactl init |
| 10:51.44 | WormFood | I'm not sure where this problem popped up |
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| 10:51.46 | yac | workd for me |
| 10:51.53 | WormFood | I'm not sure if I can actually reproduce it or not |
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| 10:52.15 | mapet | themill, yes I need it to debug a problem we have on a production system |
| 10:52.18 | WormFood | themill, I do try to make bug reports when I have a concrete bug that can be reproduced or at least a good backtrace |
| 10:52.22 | themill | mapet: fair enough |
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| 10:52.33 | themill | WormFood: And since no-one else has ever seen it, it's probably pebkac. So why were you ranting again? |
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| 10:52.43 | Fenz | hmm.. is cpanel free software or ? |
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| 10:52.50 | mapet | themill, but I cant find isos anymore |
| 10:52.53 | WormFood | themill, I also submit patches to open source projects when I have something to contribute. |
| 10:53.17 | mapet | All I found was netinst.iso, but this doesn't work as the installed tries to access stable which is lenny now |
| 10:53.19 | WormFood | themill, just because you haven't seen other people come in here with the same problem, does not mean others don't have the same problem |
| 10:53.29 | mapet | the installer, i mean |
| 10:53.30 | themill | mapet: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 10:53.35 | Fenz | seems no |
| 10:53.36 | enouf | themill: i've noticed timezone bugs in Debian, i recall something specific to NZ was it? |
| 10:53.39 | WormFood | many people are quiet and accept their problems as just the way the system works...I don't....I try to fix problems. |
| 10:53.54 | themill | WormFood: I'm still trying to work out where ranting helps |
| 10:54.05 | themill | enouf: php is full of fail when it comes to TZ |
| 10:54.07 | WormFood | many people are quiet and accept their problems as just the way the system works...I don't....I try to fix problems...then rant about it :P |
| 10:54.09 | enouf | venting != ranting :-) |
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| 10:54.12 | mapet | thanks themill, I m wondering why I didn't found this site :) |
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| 10:54.43 | mesa_booger | php is full of fail, period. and those that use it should not be encouraged ... |
| 10:54.55 | themill | mapet: none of the installers should default to "stable" anyway... they *should* use "etch". But the most recent ones (4.0r8) were released after lenny was released and so should definitely be ok |
| 10:55.05 | themill | mesa_booger: don't you spend most of your life writing php? |
| 10:55.15 | enouf | WormFood: you should read how i handled my recent iceweasel issues - i actually went about it in a semi-concrete manner, so as to be offered some suggestions/help :-P |
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| 10:55.44 | enouf | themill: i suppose ... |
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| 10:55.48 | mapet | ok thank for your help, themill. bye |
| 10:55.50 | WormFood | enouf, I do offer help/suggestions here, when I can |
| 10:56.06 | enouf | WormFood: i know - i'm playing mediator atm :-P |
| 10:56.19 | WormFood | I've helped a few people with their problems...and been helped with my problems....it all works out....I probably give as much as I get |
| 10:56.23 | jake[work] | how do i disable pamcrack and go back to regular auth? |
| 10:56.24 | mesa_booger | themill: er no. you're confusing me with some epic loser :) |
| 10:56.35 | enouf | haha |
| 10:56.37 | themill | heh |
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| 10:58.08 | WormFood | I don't know why more people don't write their web apps in C (other than the fact they don't understand C)....it would make some of these apps super fast. |
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| 10:58.46 | mesa_booger | actually, i have a question. where are the man pages for the shm functions in /usr/include/sys/shm.h ? |
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| 11:00.55 | themill | mesa_booger: apropos smhctl => man 2 shmctl (manpages-dev package) |
| 11:02.22 | alcohol | cheako: ah I resolved my issue. it was a conflict with bonjour (most likely I think). changing .local to .lc made them accessible. |
| 11:03.14 | enouf | mesa_booger: themill http://pastebin.ca/raw/1475342 |
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| 11:03.52 | mesa_booger | themill: ta very much. manpages-dev was the thing. i thought all man pages were in -doc packages ... |
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| 11:05.02 | enouf | dlocate shmctl shows me manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/shmctl.2.gz and perl-doc-html: /usr/share/doc/perl-doc-html/html/functions/shmctl.html |
| 11:05.05 | themill | mesa_booger: yeah, that one's an unintuitive name... a -dev package that doesn't actually contain .h / .a files just man pages. |
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| 11:10.27 | cheako | alcohol: Ahh, sweet. |
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| 11:13.39 | enouf | WormFood: et al .. i must say, i think i like the premise / framework that FF/IW is; make plugins/extensions/addons to interface with the main body so the user can customize it easily _and_ only have to deal with as much _bloat_ and _stupid_options/settings_ as they install -- the one thing i loathe about the DEs is their "one size fits all" and all their Applications seem to want to do more than one thing well, but all things either very slow |
| 11:14.46 | enouf | hrm .. did that get truncated? that was like .. a novel -- sorry |
| 11:14.47 | jelly-mobile | 250 characters should be enough for everyone |
| 11:14.47 | WormFood | truncated |
| 11:14.47 | ThatGuy1 | Evening all, I'm happy some problems setting up MSMTP to use GMail, anyone have a tutorial they can direct me to? |
| 11:14.47 | enouf | thanks for telling me where at :-p |
| 11:14.49 | WormFood | but all things either very slo |
| 11:14.55 | mesa_booger | enouf: thank you. kust checking all my other man pages are installed. of course, i haven't actually looked at a (development) man page for quite some time |
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| 11:15.21 | WormFood | sorry enouf, wasn't thinking....I should have told you first time |
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| 11:15.38 | WormFood | ThatGuy1, I'm happy for you too |
| 11:15.42 | enouf | " .... either very slowly and/or horribly, or there's just way too many options to try and tweak, that are entirely counterintuitive - and their nomenclature sucks." |
| 11:15.52 | anigma | !paste |
| 11:15.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 11:16.06 | themill | mesa_booger: /msg dpkg gcc-doc |
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| 11:17.07 | enouf | mesa_booger: np ;-) there are a few things that i actually remember, one is manpages-dev, another is like libncurses5-dev (for make menuconfig) :-P |
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| 11:17.31 | cemunal | how can i install mini. X and mini. Xfce4? |
| 11:17.31 | enouf | yeah, and gcc-doc :-p |
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| 11:17.59 | enouf | hopes to actually read and understand and use it one day :-p |
| 11:18.03 | jelly-mobile | caden_: what is "mini. X"? |
| 11:18.15 | jelly-mobile | cemunal: what is "mini. X"? |
| 11:18.47 | cemunal | minimum x window system may be x-window-system-core ? |
| 11:19.07 | cemunal | jelly-mobile: |
| 11:19.19 | jelly-mobile | !install x |
| 11:19.20 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 11:19.32 | jelly-mobile | hm, that isn't it |
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| 11:20.28 | cemunal | !install xfce |
| 11:20.29 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options; Etch: Supply the tasks=xfce-desktop boot parameter. |
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| 11:21.11 | anigma | how do I restart apache? |
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| 11:21.24 | anigma | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ? |
| 11:21.52 | jelly-mobile | anigma: that, or use apache2ctl |
| 11:22.22 | themill | invoke-rc.d apache2 restart (or reload) |
| 11:22.33 | cemunal | !about aptitude |
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| 11:23.16 | jelly-mobile | cemunal: use /msg dpkg ... instead, eg . /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 11:23.35 | cemunal | jelly-mobile: thanks |
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| 11:25.35 | anigma | Okey, so, here's the situation. I want to have a public_html directory in /home/user/ which responds to example.com/~user. In apache2.conf I've included all mods, and this is how my userdir.conf looks like: http://paste.debian.net/40331/ |
| 11:25.48 | Morten_ | Hi - I just updated my debian dist., and the update removed the gnome-network-manager, and when I now use the Network Monitor, I can't get my wireless connection to work. The eth0 (wired) is fine, but the eth1(wireless) is disconnected.. - any idea how to fix this? |
| 11:25.53 | anigma | I already have a dir called public_html in /home/alen/ |
| 11:25.56 | anigma | and a index.html |
| 11:26.09 | anigma | but nothing happends when I check http://localhost/~alen/ |
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| 11:28.19 | cemunal | which package does include the kernel source in debian? |
| 11:28.39 | cemunal | !install kernel-source |
| 11:28.48 | cemunal | :P |
| 11:29.32 | jelly-mobile | cemunal: why do you ask? |
| 11:29.52 | nkuttler | anigma: 'nothing happens' is pretty vague |
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| 11:30.26 | anigma | nkuttler: I get a 404 |
| 11:30.29 | anigma | :) |
| 11:30.35 | RichiH | route add -net 193.194.158.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 94.186.156.46 |
| 11:30.35 | RichiH | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 11:30.36 | nkuttler | anigma: check the error.log |
| 11:30.37 | cemunal | jelly-mobile: for installing Nvidia driver with Nvidia method. |
| 11:30.42 | RichiH | yet, 94.186.156.46 pings just fine |
| 11:30.56 | anigma | nkuttler: yeah I was about to ask where the error.log is? |
| 11:30.58 | jelly-mobile | anigma: btw have you read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz? |
| 11:31.13 | nkuttler | anigma: /var/log/apache2/ |
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| 11:31.39 | jelly-mobile | cemunal: you'll want to install build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:32.28 | cemunal | i don't want to install all of build-essential |
| 11:32.58 | themill | !qotd49 |
| 11:32.58 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 11:32.59 | jelly-mobile | cemunal: yes you do. |
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| 11:33.37 | cemunal | ok |
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| 11:33.45 | jake[work] | i enabled pamcrack and now i can't login w root. i went into single user mode and deleted the passwd in /etc/shadow and reset using the passwd cmd. no errors. just can't login still in normal mode |
| 11:34.12 | jake[work] | is this more a linux q than a debian q? |
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| 11:35.04 | anigma | nkuttler: weird.. this is what error.log shows: [Fri Jun 26 12:59:19 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/~alen |
| 11:35.15 | anigma | why does it point out to /var/www/ ? |
| 11:35.23 | jelly-mobile | jake[work]: you've broken your pam config... I guess putting it back the way it was before would restore functionality |
| 11:35.42 | jelly-mobile | anigma: because mod_userdir isn't active |
| 11:35.52 | jake[work] | don't know what that was - it was default |
| 11:36.01 | nkuttler | anigma: er, a2enmod userdir? |
| 11:36.16 | jelly-mobile | anigma: /var/www is the default DocumentRoot |
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| 11:36.22 | bros | I am trying to install Debian FROM a USB stick. I extracted all of the contents of the ISO to the USB stick. The Debian Installer is complaining about being unable to mount the CD-ROM. |
| 11:36.38 | anigma | nkuttler: a2enmod userdir?!? |
| 11:36.50 | jelly-mobile | "anigma: btw have you read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz?" |
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| 11:36.57 | anigma | indeed I have |
| 11:37.03 | jelly-mobile | and? |
| 11:37.05 | anigma | there's not much about userdir there |
| 11:37.23 | nkuttler | bros: i don't think you can copy an iso to usb and expect it to work |
| 11:37.25 | jelly-mobile | there's something about a2enmod |
| 11:37.30 | nkuttler | Bry-Dog: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 11:37.39 | nkuttler | Bry-Dog: oops |
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| 11:38.00 | anigma | jelly-mobile: heh, if only I knew I was supposed to know something about a2enmod... |
| 11:38.13 | jelly-mobile | anigma: you read the file. |
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| 11:38.42 | jelly-mobile | anigma: it's by no means the only way to enable a module, but it's likely the simplest |
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| 11:45.02 | sylarr | can anyone help? My desktop is not automounting one USB flash drive, anyone know what it could be? |
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| 11:46.10 | bros | I installed Xfce and Xorg on Debian. I run "startxfce4", the X server starts, I get to my Xfce desktop, and my keyboard and mouse do not function. They are both USB. I can not even toggle NumLock or CapsLock. |
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| 11:47.58 | Shadur | bros: Those should be abscracted through several layers... Does your xorg.conf contain Keyboard and Pointer sections? |
| 11:48.34 | Shadur | InputDevice sections for a keyboard and a mouse, to be precise. |
| 11:48.54 | abrotman | sylarr: telling us which desktop might help |
| 11:49.03 | sylarr | gnome |
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| 11:50.08 | sylarr | abrotman, gnome. And this usbdrive is also not vanishing from nautilus/computer(view) |
| 11:50.34 | abrotman | sylarr: what is the output of `groups` for your user ? |
| 11:50.37 | bros | Shadur: /etc/X11/xorg.conf has InputDevice for keyboard and mouse. |
| 11:50.55 | sylarr | abrotman, username,plugdev |
| 11:51.15 | anigma | are there any guides for making a /etc/hosts file? |
| 11:51.27 | anigma | I don't have one on my debian machine.. |
| 11:51.38 | at0m | anigma: man hosts ? |
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| 11:53.06 | mesa_booger | bros: check the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log for further clues. i have Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off", Option "AutoAddDevices" "off", Option "AutoEnableDevices" "off", in the "ServerFlags" section. these may be relevant ... |
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| 11:54.40 | bros | I did check the log. Nothing interesting. The problem was, hal fails to start, because I had inotify support disabled in my kernel. |
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| 11:55.26 | mesa_booger | which kernel would that be ? |
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| 11:59.23 | abrotman | sylarr: any messages in dmesg/syslog/messages when you plug it in ? |
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| 12:03.12 | sylarr | abrotman, dmesg got nothing, the other two have messages about it |
| 12:03.26 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 12:06.05 | sylarr | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/40333/ |
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| 12:14.27 | cheako | Do most systems need an asound.conf? I had to play with this file a lot to get spdif/ac3-a52 working the way I wanted. Adding <confdir:cards/HDA-Intel.conf> helped a bunch, do I need to do this on my laptop? |
| 12:14.43 | vizzy | hello, how can i determine what kernel options i entered at the lilo prompt/grub? |
| 12:14.54 | abrotman | sylarr: is it in your /etc/fstab ? how did you install gnome ? |
| 12:15.18 | redstick | does Steam run on WIne? |
| 12:15.18 | abrotman | vizzy: you mean when the system was booted, or what it defaults to ? |
| 12:15.30 | cheako | Mostly I'm wondering if there is a magic alsa-config script to do it for me. I know I've used several scripts that tweak alsa and they all do part of the task. |
| 12:15.36 | vizzy | abrotman, when its bootet, like root= or vga= |
| 12:15.41 | abrotman | redstick: #winehq or winehq.org |
| 12:15.43 | sylarr | abrotman, no, not /etc/fstab. Gnome was installed from the start |
| 12:15.49 | abrotman | vizzy: yes, this time or the normal one |
| 12:15.53 | abrotman | sylarr: aptitude install gnome ? |
| 12:16.24 | sylarr | abrotman, I don't recall it was two years ago, for all I know it was the debian installer for etch |
| 12:16.37 | sylarr | abrotman, and then the upgrade to lenny |
| 12:16.57 | vizzy | abrotman, this time, last time i bootet is 2 months ago and i need to tweak the settings, root= and so on, because i have a usb card reader attached and linux put my sata devices at the end of the list, like sdk or so. and some more options i entered.... but i can't remember |
| 12:17.22 | vizzy | so, i need to find out what i entered there for a successful startup :) |
| 12:17.31 | redstick | abrotman, yeah, was jsut a general question, i was suprised that it stareted up |
| 12:17.47 | vizzy | it's still running, but i need to reboot now |
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| 12:18.19 | sylarr | abrotman, I think it worked ok, up until now, when I plugged and unplugged it a few time in a row |
| 12:18.26 | hark | vizzy: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 12:18.35 | sylarr | abrotman, and now it doesn't get mounted |
| 12:18.43 | vizzy | Haraken, thx! |
| 12:19.08 | sylarr | abrotman, and it isn't cleared from nautilus/computerView when i unplug it |
| 12:19.29 | vizzy | abrotman, solved :) thx |
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| 12:20.24 | abrotman | sylarr: i'm asking you to try it |
| 12:20.42 | sylarr | ah |
| 12:20.54 | abrotman | sylarr: it's possible you killed the gnome bits that do it |
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| 12:21.15 | sylarr | gnome bit? |
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| 12:27.06 | sylarr | abrotman, I found that my changing in gconf-editor a few things made some of it |
| 12:27.21 | Terminus- | hello. question, is there a metapackage available for dev stuff? something that includes gdb etc. build-essential doesn't install gdb. |
| 12:27.23 | prdelka | my aptitude has suddenly broken :( |
| 12:27.34 | sylarr | abrotman, I add gid=plugdev to system-storage-vfat |
| 12:27.37 | prdelka | when i try to apt-get anything it 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 12:27.38 | Terminus- | i'm on etch btw. |
| 12:27.46 | prdelka | and when i try todo apt-get update |
| 12:27.47 | prdelka | 91% [Waiting for headers] |
| 12:27.59 | prdelka | anyone experienced this? |
| 12:28.01 | sylarr | abrotman, without it it appear and disappear from nautlius/computer-view |
| 12:28.06 | prdelka | some way to force aptitude to rebuild itself ? |
| 12:28.13 | sylarr | abrotman, but it still doesn't automount |
| 12:28.15 | zhxk | what's the diference betwen stl container set and map? |
| 12:28.38 | abrotman | sylarr: have you tried logging out/in ? |
| 12:28.47 | abrotman | zhxk: ask #c++ |
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| 12:28.58 | abrotman | prdelka: hit ctrl-c .. try again |
| 12:29.02 | prdelka | done that |
| 12:29.04 | prdelka | and rebooted the box |
| 12:29.15 | prdelka | something is wrong with my apt |
| 12:29.19 | abrotman | prdelka: which mirrors are yu using ? |
| 12:29.35 | prdelka | deb http://ftp.grokthis.net/mirrors/debian lenny main |
| 12:29.35 | prdelka | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:29.35 | prdelka | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:29.38 | prdelka | deb http://etc.inittab.org/~agi/debian/libapache-mod-security2/ etch/ |
| 12:29.59 | abrotman | i'd comment out line 2 and 4 .. try again |
| 12:30.02 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | comment out line 2 and 4 .. and change line 3 to say 'lenny' instead of 'stable' |
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| 12:30.21 | mamalujo | do differet charsets (latin2 vs combined latin, greek etc) also have different combine (multi key) combinations in console? I don't get it, now I have æ but not oe , have ä ë ü ï ö but not 'c `c ^c ^s ^z.. have à but not small etc. And I saw and typed them before.. where are these defined for console - I barely googled info that was about X and compose |
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| 12:31.09 | prdelka | same thing |
| 12:31.18 | prdelka | this time it gets to 99% on an apt-get update |
| 12:31.23 | prdelka | but just sits there |
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| 12:31.39 | abrotman | try another main mirror |
| 12:32.02 | prdelka | whats a lenny main mirror you can think of? |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | where are you geographically ? |
| 12:32.25 | prdelka | ah its ok |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:32.35 | prdelka | it seems its a problem with my VPS hosting repo |
| 12:32.48 | prdelka | the top line is there repo, must be having some problems atm |
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| 12:33.08 | abrotman | http://debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 12:33.09 | prdelka | thanks for ur help |
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| 12:44.13 | abrotman | gives up |
| 12:44.28 | RichiH | hands abrotman a nice cup of fail |
| 12:44.40 | RichiH | !fail abrotman |
| 12:44.49 | RichiH | ~fail abrotman |
| 12:44.53 | RichiH | !test |
| 12:44.53 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 12:44.57 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 12:45.13 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:45.30 | abrotman | bah .. someone broke it .. again |
| 12:45.36 | abrotman | or not .. |
| 12:45.47 | adb | !qotd0 |
| 12:45.48 | dpkg | <sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable |
| 12:46.16 | sylarr | abrotman, I have logged in and out several times , plus a few reboots |
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| 12:47.41 | matteo_ | hallo I need help |
| 12:47.48 | abrotman | sylarr: but you were changing stuff in gconf ? have you tried for a new user ? |
| 12:48.25 | matteo_ | how to remoce packages with all dependencies and program related? |
| 12:48.26 | themill | waits for staff to k-line abrotman for ctcp-ing the entire channel a few times.... |
| 12:48.39 | matteo_ | how to remove packages with all dependencies and program related? |
| 12:48.56 | sladi | matteo_: aptitude does it |
| 12:49.23 | sladi | just remove the package and it removes all packages which got automaticall installed with it |
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| 12:49.43 | sylarr | abrotman, no |
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| 12:50.07 | abrotman | themill: ? |
| 12:50.19 | matteo_ | I tried with sudo apt-get remove and apt-get autoremove but it does not remove the program installed with the package "kde" |
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| 12:51.27 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:51.27 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 12:51.44 | abrotman | sylarr: so you broke everything ... |
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| 12:52.14 | sladi | matteo_: kde is a metapackage so you can remove it. you can't remove the program now because the kde package probably depends on it I guess. |
| 12:52.18 | sylarr | abrotman, seem so |
| 12:53.13 | sladi | matteo_: I'm not sure how to remove the metapackage without apt complaining, sorry. |
| 12:53.19 | matteo_ | I mean I can remove 'kde' but not all program I installed with it |
| 12:53.33 | matteo_ | Have I remove program one by one? |
| 12:53.56 | abrotman | unmarkauto |
| 12:54.09 | sladi | If you want to remove kde but a program remains installed then another one depends on it. Use aptitude why 'PACKAGENAME' to see why for example. |
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| 12:56.16 | sladi | abrotman: Yes, but meant unmarking each package by hand is slow. :) I'd do it like this. |
| 12:56.18 | themill | matteo_: what version of debian is this? |
| 12:56.19 | sylarr | abrotman, I wanted to allow every user to unmount the usbdrive, and to write on it. This way it chooses a random user |
| 12:56.19 | sladi | matteo_: for example 'aptitude why kdm' |
| 12:56.19 | matteo_ | Im trying with aptitude |
| 12:56.23 | matteo_ | Is the first time I use it |
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| 12:57.39 | sylarr | abrotman, so... I did some stuff with the help of some people in #gnome , got to change group to plugdev, but seems like it hangs the device view. Didn't manage to allow every user to unmount. And I didn't notice it then but auto mount broke :( |
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| 12:58.56 | sylarr | abrotman, though no automount can be a solution to the randomness of the owner user |
| 12:59.13 | sladi | matteo_: the curses version is sometimes crashing for me but you can just use the cli version. |
| 12:59.27 | abrotman | sladi: do it in the interactive aptitude |
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| 12:59.53 | SerajewelKS | is anyone else running squeeze having to restart metacity after gnome starts to get windows to not maximize under the panel? |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | sylarr: so undo what they had you do ? |
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| 13:00.22 | sladi | abrotman: Yes I was thinking of that, well of course it's not 'that' slow. :) |
| 13:00.24 | sylarr | abrotman, I'll read the chat logs |
| 13:00.30 | zhxk | anybody think set and map could be the similar thing? |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | zhxk: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 13:01.40 | zhxk | well, will you help me out? |
| 13:01.52 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.43 | abrotman | zhxk: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 13:04.19 | zhxk | not at this moment |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | then just be quiet |
| 13:04.42 | zhxk | thank you abrotaman |
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| 13:17.33 | hark | SerajewelKS: someone earlier had the same issue |
| 13:17.58 | zhxk | howdy! |
| 13:18.49 | zhxk | salut, abrotman |
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| 13:28.21 | sylarr | abrotman, seem like the first time I noticed the problem is after I installed policykit |
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| 13:40.48 | noppe | anyone know how to preserve the exif data when converting a jpg from adobergb to srgb using imagemagick's convert? i'm running for i in *; do convert $i -profile sRGB.icc -quality 100 rgb_$i; done, but none of the rgb_$i have any exif data |
| 13:41.26 | nkuttler | noppe: extract it before, put back later? |
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| 13:42.09 | abrotman | do all those formats even support exif data ? |
| 13:42.56 | nkuttler | aren't adobergb and srgb just color profiles? |
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| 13:43.00 | \amethyst | abrotman: they're both jpeg it sounds like |
| 13:43.00 | CargolSS | does anyone know a keyword shortcut for "Always on top" in XFCE 4.4.2? |
| 13:43.01 | noppe | yes, they are |
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| 13:43.22 | abrotman | so ... why convert at all? |
| 13:43.24 | noppe | and if i converted the jpg with gimp, it'd still have the exif |
| 13:43.29 | \amethyst | noppe: exiftool -tagsfromfile src.jpg dst.jpg from package libimage-exiftool-perl |
| 13:43.34 | \amethyst | abrotman: to change the color profile |
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| 13:43.46 | abrotman | wishes the world were black and white ... |
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| 13:43.55 | \amethyst | abrotman: or in other cases to resize or rotate an image |
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| 13:48.58 | noppe | thanks \amethyst, this seems to be a decent solution |
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| 14:05.58 | Janni | Hi. |
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| 14:06.42 | Janni | I dislike cron. Is there a simple tool that I can wrap around a simple program, say mpop to make it a daemon? This program just needs to invoke mpop periodically. |
| 14:07.03 | Janni | A very simple shell-script will do I guess... |
| 14:07.07 | abrotman | a shell script that does sleep? |
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| 14:08.07 | zhxk | !why |
| 14:08.07 | dpkg | Because! |
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| 14:08.34 | jnw222 | clueless |
| 14:08.39 | ethanol | Janni: what is wrong with cron? |
| 14:09.56 | petemc | Janni: while : ; do mpop .. ; sleep 300 ; done |
| 14:10.09 | Janni | ethanol: Needs root privileges. |
| 14:10.25 | petemc | no it doesnt |
| 14:10.36 | ethanol | why would it need root? |
| 14:10.57 | Janni | Hmm, how can I insert new cron jobs as a normal user? |
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| 14:11.04 | asg | Janni: crontab -e |
| 14:11.38 | Janni | alright. |
| 14:12.14 | Janni | But if we're at cron already, I'm still looking for a solution for a simple task... |
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| 14:13.01 | Janni | I want jobs to be done periodically... I know, that's what cron is for, but suppose I want to run a program P every 23 hours... |
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| 14:13.22 | Janni | But there might be different conditions for P to succeed. |
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| 14:13.40 | Janni | Let's assume P needs an internet connection, but I'm offline, so it fails. |
| 14:13.57 | Janni | What I want now, is that it will do the job 2 hours later when I'm online. |
| 14:13.58 | asg | Janni: then have cron run a script every 23 hours and checks these conditions before running mpop or whatever |
| 14:14.30 | petemc | if ping -W1 -c1 www.google.com >/dev/null 2>&1; then while : ; do mpop .. ; sleep 82800 ; done |
| 14:14.31 | Janni | But if the job runs successfully then, it should not retry the job after again 23 hours have passed |
| 14:14.35 | poisonbit | Janni, for offline cron, you need the anacron package |
| 14:14.57 | Janni | your solutions AFAIK don't achieve what i described (especially in the last sentence) |
| 14:15.18 | petemc | you keep moving the goalposts |
| 14:15.31 | Janni | No I'm there now. |
| 14:15.41 | alturiak | Janni: just let it set a timestamp whenever it runs successfully, have cron run it every hour and check if the timestamp is > 23 hours old |
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| 14:16.25 | alturiak | assuming your program provides exitcodes or something |
| 14:16.33 | Janni | OK, I guess that sounds good. |
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| 14:17.13 | alturiak | or you could just check for connectivity prior to running, but that would still leave you with the 23-hours problem, I guess :) |
| 14:17.21 | Janni | But it is a bit "manual". I thought that would be just the kind of facility offered by a cron program |
| 14:17.46 | petemc | cron runs things periodically |
| 14:17.48 | alturiak | probably, you might want to check out anacron as suggested |
| 14:18.00 | alturiak | although I don't know if it can do such checks |
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| 14:18.25 | MikeH | Hello all |
| 14:18.41 | zhxk | !hello |
| 14:18.41 | dpkg | Hi, zhxk! |
| 14:18.42 | MikeH | how would I go about configuring my wlan from a basic netinst installation? |
| 14:19.08 | module000 | MikeH: your wifi drivers supported by the vanilla kernel? or do you have access to them? |
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| 14:19.27 | MikeH | module000: I believe it's supported, it's Atheros, and was displayed during install process |
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| 14:20.07 | module000 | MikeH: you may need to load madwifi(atheros drivers) to get it functioning, then configure it with iwconfig |
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| 14:20.17 | OpenTokix | Janni: do run something every 23 hour you write in cron * */23 * * * command |
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| 14:20.40 | OpenTokix | Janni: do run something every 23 hour you write in cron 0 */23 * * * command |
| 14:20.42 | OpenTokix | sory |
| 14:22.02 | ethanol | why */23 ? |
| 14:22.05 | ethanol | why not just 23? |
| 14:22.05 | ethanol | lol |
| 14:22.23 | OpenTokix | ethanol: if you write just 23, it will be exactly at 23:00 everyday |
| 14:22.24 | bzed | OpenTokix: yeah, guess you don't want to run it all 23 hours... or? |
| 14:22.26 | OpenTokix | not every 23 hours |
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| 14:22.30 | ethanol | oh wait, interval of 23 hours |
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| 14:22.38 | ethanol | my bad |
| 14:22.40 | OpenTokix | bingo |
| 14:22.41 | bzed | OpenTokix: all 23 hours... yes, then */23 |
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| 14:23.22 | Janni | OK. Conclusion: cron + some scripting/timestamping will match my needs. Anacron (or any other cron solutions I checked) don't do such a thing automatically |
| 14:23.24 | matteo_ | hallo thank you very much for help |
| 14:23.30 | Janni | thx for the help |
| 14:23.30 | ethanol | so first time would be 23 hours from entry, (for simplification lets assume that would be at 23:00), then the next time it would run would be at (22:00) |
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| 14:23.38 | matteo_ | aptitude works fine |
| 14:23.41 | OpenTokix | ethanol: yeah |
| 14:24.00 | matteo_ | to remove all package and progrs installed with kde |
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| 14:24.15 | ethanol | OpenTokix: aye |
| 14:25.02 | matteo_ | bye see you soon!! |
| 14:25.24 | spal | hi. I have a few questions regarding the way packages enter from sid to testing? many times I have seen a very obvious bug making it to testing, a bug that is visible as soon as you use the package. is it in agreement with the debian process of moving packages from sid to testing? |
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| 14:29.20 | qneo | guys, I installed lenny, and seems to me, that color depth is wrong. how can I change it? I am able to create my xorg.conf, but at the moment, there is just minimal one, and I'd like to keep it in this way |
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| 14:30.22 | SerajewelKS | spal: the only things that will stop a package moving from unstable to testing are (1) an N-day delay, where N is based on the priority of the upload (7 is normal), (2) a release-critical bug against the package, and/or (3) either (1) or (2) applying to a dependency of the package |
| 14:30.37 | SerajewelKS | spal: (3) only applies if the version already in testing will not satisfy a depends |
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| 14:31.11 | spal | what is considered to be a release-critical bug? is there a Debian page that defines it? |
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| 14:31.50 | bzed | spal: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities - serious, grave, critical |
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| 14:32.19 | SerajewelKS | spal: in other words, anything "important" or below is not release-critical |
| 14:32.33 | spal | bzed, SerajewelKS thanks |
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| 14:32.42 | SerajewelKS | spal: release critical is "fails to build" or "violates debian policy" or "fails to work at all" |
| 14:32.52 | bzed | or breaks other stuff |
| 14:33.03 | SerajewelKS | a severe cosmetic bug will probably be "important" but will not be "serious" unless it makes the program 100% unusable |
| 14:33.10 | SerajewelKS | right, or what bzed said |
| 14:33.27 | \amethyst | or causes data loss |
| 14:33.33 | SerajewelKS | nads |
| 14:33.34 | bzed | security issueas are RC bugs, too, of course |
| 14:33.35 | SerajewelKS | nods* |
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| 14:33.48 | SerajewelKS | basically anything catastrophic is RC, and everything else is not :) |
| 14:34.14 | \amethyst | spal: http://release.debian.org/squeeze/rc_policy.txt |
| 14:34.29 | spal | ok, I have another question. I reported this bug today: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534653 It is about maximized windows hiding behind the gnome panels. |
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| 14:34.40 | careta | hello |
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| 14:34.59 | spal | the maintainer said that it has been fixed in the next version which is in sid. But I could not find an existing bug report for it. |
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| 14:35.12 | spal | how did it get fixed without a bug report? isn't a bug report created for every bug that is fixed? |
| 14:35.14 | bzed | spal: there was more than one fo rit |
| 14:35.23 | SerajewelKS | spal: interesting, that's the exact issue i've been having |
| 14:35.24 | careta | how can i know which options where used to build a repository package? |
| 14:35.27 | SerajewelKS | spal: you know you can work around it right? |
| 14:35.29 | bzed | spal: you've reported it against the wrong package |
| 14:36.01 | SerajewelKS | spal: if you hit alt+f2 to open the run window and run "metacity --replace" that will fix the issue |
| 14:36.12 | SerajewelKS | spal: you have to do it each time you log in, but it works for now at least |
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| 14:36.38 | spal | bzed, yes, I did not know which package was actually causing the problem. So, I reported it for gnome. The maintainer said that the issue has been fixed in metacity. |
| 14:37.03 | \amethyst | spal: here was the original bug |
| 14:37.08 | \amethyst | spal: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533917 |
| 14:37.17 | \amethyst | spal: not sure why Josselin didn't merge your bug with that one |
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| 14:37.49 | \amethyst | spal: maybe so people who looked in 'gnome' rather than 'metacity' would still find the bug, but if so, I don't know why it's not reported as fixed in unstable |
| 14:38.04 | spal | \amethyst, that's strange. I tried searching for existing bug reports. I remember entering: maximize windows but couldn't find it. |
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| 14:40.56 | \amethyst | spal: the search seems to not do any stemming |
| 14:41.04 | spal | ok |
| 14:41.07 | \amethyst | spal: if you had searched for "maximized windows" you would have found it |
| 14:41.19 | \amethyst | spal: assuming you are talking about http://merkel.debian.org/~don/cgi/search.cgi |
| 14:41.31 | spal | I used the reportbug tool to do the searching |
| 14:41.46 | \amethyst | spal: oh... then you had to know that it was a metacity problem |
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| 14:42.32 | \amethyst | spal: which can't be expected, so it's up to the maintainers to reassign the bug to the correct package, merge with existing bugs, etc |
| 14:42.42 | spal | ok |
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| 14:43.01 | remoteCTRL1 | hi guys! |
| 14:43.25 | remoteCTRL1 | does anyone happen to know how to fix a broken /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 14:43.28 | \amethyst | spal: it's possible that the reason they didn't do that with your bug is so that people who look for bugs in 'gnome' rather than 'metacity' will find it... I don't know |
| 14:43.42 | spal | ok |
| 14:43.47 | jnw222 | a broken dpkg db i sreally bad |
| 14:44.00 | asg | remoteCTRL1: there should be a backup in /var/backups |
| 14:44.26 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL1: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianproblem.htm has some syggestions |
| 14:44.34 | petemc | !status recovery |
| 14:44.35 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
| 14:44.35 | remoteCTRL1 | asg: there is also a /var/lib/dpkg/status-old but the problem is that this is pre-lenny... |
| 14:44.36 | spal | btw, just found that reportbug doesn't do stemming do. It does a string matching. |
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| 14:44.56 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL1: the idea being to use the list of directories in /usr/share/doc as the list of packages |
| 14:45.19 | asg | remoteCTRL1: then \amethyst's advice is likely what you want |
| 14:45.27 | remoteCTRL1 | \amethyst: aw lord... sounds a little experimental :D |
| 14:45.51 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL1: did you check /var/backups/dpkg.status.* ? are those even older than your status-old ? |
| 14:45.54 | remoteCTRL1 | asg: \amethyst: all right gentlemen, thanks for the help i will look into that |
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| 14:46.30 | remoteCTRL1 | \amethyst: err... i did actually not check that explicilty as i supposed so, but i will, sec pls |
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| 14:46.46 | parabyte | hello |
| 14:46.48 | parabyte | :) |
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| 14:47.04 | yaaar | howdy |
| 14:47.24 | remoteCTRL1 | \amethyst: yepp, is exaclty the same date as the -old version |
| 14:47.27 | parabyte | iv damaged my debian |
| 14:47.29 | parabyte | :( |
| 14:47.39 | parabyte | never no good |
| 14:47.42 | \amethyst | remoteCTRL1: oh well, off to do rescue I guess :) |
| 14:47.46 | nkuttler | !tell parabyte about errors |
| 14:48.13 | parabyte | basically i did a apt-get dist-upgrade from 4 to lenny |
| 14:48.38 | remoteCTRL1 | \amethyst: how experimental would you consider that method to be? it's a corporate fileserver we are talking about here, and unfortunately i overwrote all my backups since this incident per rotation...? |
| 14:48.41 | parabyte | and well if i try and do a make xconfig in the linux sources for 2.6 it doesnt let me |
| 14:48.54 | parabyte | loads of errors |
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| 14:49.08 | parabyte | too many to post |
| 14:49.18 | nkuttler | parabyte: use menuconfig... and there are pastebin sites |
| 14:49.19 | parabyte | i moved /usr into /home cause i ran out of space |
| 14:49.26 | parabyte | and did a symbolic link |
| 14:49.38 | petemc | what could possible go wrong! |
| 14:49.43 | petemc | s/le/ly/ |
| 14:49.54 | parabyte | menuconfig works fine, im just wanting some qt eye candy |
| 14:49.56 | parabyte | lol |
| 14:50.03 | parabyte | something is wrong with the qt libs |
| 14:50.05 | parabyte | on my machine |
| 14:50.16 | parabyte | and for the life of me i cant work out what |
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| 14:50.28 | petemc | parabyte: what qt packages have you got installed? |
| 14:50.34 | petemc | (dont paste here) |
| 14:50.39 | parabyte | qt3 and qt4 |
| 14:50.43 | parabyte | standard debian lenny |
| 14:50.47 | petemc | the exact package names |
| 14:50.54 | parabyte | ill brb |
| 14:51.04 | jnw222 | make gconfig |
| 14:51.40 | themill | !kernel build-deps |
| 14:51.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel the Debian Way using make-kpkg, "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential". If you want to use "make menuconfig", then install libncurses-dev. If you want to use "make xconfig", then install libqt3-mt-dev (and also make sure that all your alternatives point to qt3 versions not qt4). Also ask me about <kernel compile> <make-kpkg> <kp mantra>. |
| 14:52.06 | remoteCTRL1 | i can hardly believe that debian has no onboard means to rebuid that database... |
| 14:52.18 | parabyte | i kn ow whats wrong |
| 14:52.38 | themill | remoteCTRL1: /var/backups ? |
| 14:52.44 | parabyte | iv installed qt3 and qt4 and i havnt got my bash enviroment variables set correctly |
| 14:53.03 | remoteCTRL1 | themill: unfortunately same version as status-old... |
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| 14:54.07 | remoteCTRL1 | themill: that one was created when i did upgrade to lenny, problem is i had a filesystem crash in the meantime and i didnt realize that thoise files were broken, so my own backup rotation overwrote the functionning verion...:-/ |
| 14:54.30 | remoteCTRL1 | gawd, sry for the bad syntax... |
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| 14:56.38 | themill | !status-recovery |
| 14:56.39 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
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| 15:02.27 | nkuttler | could somebody on sid paste the output of xlsfonts *lutBS* | wc -l ? |
| 15:02.58 | \amethyst | nkuttler: no match |
| 15:02.58 | FoxM | Hi. I am trying to use popularity-contest with anacron but: 1. I don't know if it is really calling the script (which is in cron.daily) and 2. I don't have any 'sendmail' program. I have 'mail'. is it safe to change the 'sendmail' reference to 'mail'? |
| 15:03.16 | nkuttler | \amethyst: ty |
| 15:03.34 | petemc | FoxM: you dont have /usr/sbin/sendmail ? |
| 15:04.09 | FoxM | petemc: ahh ok... I was searching with my user, not root |
| 15:04.16 | jnw222 | apt-get install exim4 |
| 15:05.40 | FoxM | petemc: how can I check if I am really sending anything? I have configured my 'mail' (exim4) to use gmails' smtp service but I suppose it only works with my user and not with root |
| 15:06.02 | petemc | FoxM: tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 15:06.06 | petemc | try to send a mail.. |
| 15:06.25 | jpinx | I started an application in screen with: ayttm & to put it in the bg, but I still get error messages on the terminal - how to avoid that? |
| 15:07.29 | petemc | jpinx: you want to suppress the errors, or fix them? |
| 15:08.20 | jpinx | petemc: suppress |
| 15:08.29 | petemc | >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 15:08.49 | jpinx | petemc: it'd be nice to be able to view them at will though |
| 15:09.05 | petemc | direct them to file then |
| 15:09.08 | jpinx | that'll just dump them into oblivion - no? |
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| 15:09.43 | jpinx | petemc: like ~:ayttm & > ayttm.errors ? |
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| 15:10.34 | petemc | ayytm & &>aytmm.errors |
| 15:10.40 | petemc | i think, should do it |
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| 15:11.32 | petemc | ayytm & \&>aytmm.errors , even |
| 15:11.34 | jpinx | ok - I'll need to shut it down and try that - thanks petemc |
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| 15:16.49 | T-u-N-i-X | hey there.. i've created a debian package of a web page and it installs under /usr/share/.. but sqlite (django) needs to write to the directory sqlite db is in... any suggestions? |
| 15:17.08 | HeXiLeD | was the openssh package changed recently ? i have to boxes that cant install because they cant find it |
| 15:17.21 | module000 | HeXiLeD: openssh-server? |
| 15:17.51 | module000 | T-u-N-i-X: add permissions to the files it needs for the user it needs |
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| 15:24.00 | T-u-N-i-X | module000: django says it should have write access to the directory the db in |
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| 15:26.28 | zhxk | hello, how pid is genreated? |
| 15:26.57 | kanzure | isn't it assigned? |
| 15:27.01 | Dunge | lastpid + 1? :) |
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| 15:30.08 | ewet | does anyone here know when kde 4.2.4 will be in squeeze? |
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| 15:30.56 | module000 | T-u-N-i-X: then give it write access to it. use a group for permissions |
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| 15:32.28 | \amethyst | databases that are modified at runtime shouldn't be under /usr |
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| 15:32.50 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 15:32.52 | \amethyst | that prevents people from having /usr read-only |
| 15:32.59 | bbelt16ag | evertime I sudo bash I get this error.. |
| 15:33.06 | bbelt16ag | sudo bash ............sudo: unable to resolve host gabriel |
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| 15:33.44 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: that's your hostname? |
| 15:33.46 | ajavid | good morning ladies and gentlemen, are you prepared to debian?! |
| 15:33.49 | ajavid | :) |
| 15:34.13 | bbelt16ag | yes.. |
| 15:34.15 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, don't need to do bash as sudo, just sudo |
| 15:34.28 | bbelt16ag | well I want a root prompt, |
| 15:34.29 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, why sudo has anything to do with host is a bit confusing |
| 15:34.31 | \amethyst | ajavid: just sudo gives usage |
| 15:34.38 | \amethyst | ajavid: you're thinking sudo -i |
| 15:34.47 | ajavid | oh a prompt |
| 15:34.48 | bbelt16ag | hmm. |
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| 15:34.52 | ajavid | why not just su to root? |
| 15:34.56 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: make sure you have an entry in /etc/hosts with your hostname and one of your IP addresses |
| 15:34.59 | ajavid | wouldn't that be easier |
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| 15:35.12 | bbelt16ag | not really them I have to remember two passwords |
| 15:35.21 | bbelt16ag | I aleady got like 5 in my heard |
| 15:35.22 | ajavid | I See |
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| 15:35.29 | ajavid | don't store passwords in yourhead |
| 15:35.38 | ajavid | I have a ~/passwords, encrypted and locked |
| 15:35.49 | ajavid | if i need to login somewhere, I justpull out the password |
| 15:36.06 | bbelt16ag | yes I got that too, just lay |
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| 15:36.14 | ajavid | also, monthly a random password is generated, automaticalyl changed updated in the log file, and anytime I need to use it, is there in my encrypted folder |
| 15:36.32 | \amethyst | there are other reasons to use sudo over su in a multi-administrator environment |
| 15:36.34 | ajavid | (I have a web devel company and having to remember so many passwords for so many clients is impossible) |
| 15:36.39 | bbelt16ag | ok what app/script are you using |
| 15:36.44 | ajavid | I wrote mine |
| 15:37.01 | bbelt16ag | cool |
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| 15:37.22 | ajavid | either way, point is, write them down in a safe place, you can't depend on your mind, what if you forget something? |
| 15:37.31 | VnR | anyone could help me install samba ive got a good pile of problems |
| 15:37.32 | ajavid | then its another few steps to try and recover a password |
| 15:39.19 | \amethyst | ajavid: what if you forget the key to your password file? |
| 15:39.19 | ajavid | VnR, such as |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | ajavid: and how do you unencrypt your password file ? |
| 15:39.24 | ajavid | \amethyst, that I can NEVER forget ;) |
| 15:39.24 | VnR | ajavid E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) (ive tried the dpkg --configure -a) but it didn't work |
| 15:39.25 | ajavid | VnR, this is from aptitude install samba? |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | \amethyst: "1234" .. |
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| 15:39.26 | ajavid | VnR, on stable? |
| 15:39.26 | ajavid | abrotman, hahaha, you kooky man :) |
| 15:39.26 | VnR | on etch |
| 15:39.26 | ajavid | 1234 lol |
| 15:39.26 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
| 15:39.27 | ajavid | VnR, weird, I don't use etch I'd actually recommend an upgrade to lenny |
| 15:39.28 | bbelt16ag | found the problem |
| 15:39.28 | bbelt16ag | my .bashrc is doing it.. |
| 15:39.28 | ajavid | VnR, also, what is the entire error message? |
| 15:39.28 | ajavid | VnR, pastebin the whole thing |
| 15:39.29 | VnR | kk sec |
| 15:39.32 | bbelt16ag | the command prompt settings are broken, |
| 15:39.35 | ajavid | VnR, would like to see why samba install fails |
| 15:39.55 | VnR | yep one sec ill pastebin |
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| 15:40.24 | Kanisterschleife | hi all. |
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| 15:40.54 | VnR | http://pastebin.com/d1da716bf |
| 15:40.56 | Kanisterschleife | Is there some lightweight .doc viewer for debian? I only need to view .doc files, not to create or modify them |
| 15:41.02 | bbelt16ag | there fixed |
| 15:41.04 | ajavid | Kanisterschleife, abiword |
| 15:41.13 | ajavid | Kanisterschleife, lightest I know of. Or just use google docs. |
| 15:42.00 | Kanisterschleife | I only need to view the files |
| 15:42.09 | bbelt16ag | nope... |
| 15:42.22 | ajavid | post inst script is failing to start nmbd and obviously smbd after |
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| 15:42.30 | ajavid | I dunno why it would do that... |
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| 15:42.35 | VnR | :/ |
| 15:42.59 | VnR | maybie i should just upgrade to lenny like u said |
| 15:43.20 | ewet | hmmm... so krb5 issues halting kdebase to enter testing seem to be solved or am I wrong? what's stopping the thing then? i read http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kdebase and corresponding bug-reports. |
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| 15:44.12 | valdyn | ewet: you read that it is not yet built in alpha,powerpc,s390 |
| 15:44.44 | bbelt16ag | yeah it was /etc/hosts no loopback hostname sigh |
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| 15:47.19 | ewet | oh well - no I didn't... |
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| 15:48.16 | ewet | not much information about that anyway |
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| 15:54.01 | ewet | I admit today I am a half-time douchebag :( -- that happens if plans are halted because of several 'minor' reasons... |
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| 16:01.17 | mateusz | Hi |
| 16:01.23 | mateusz | is xorg broken in sid? |
| 16:01.32 | mateusz | I cant start it up since its crashing |
| 16:01.58 | mateusz | cannibal gdm[6146]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler:... |
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| 16:03.02 | groton | hi, what application/daemon controls the touchpad of a laptop? On my debian it seems like i cannot anymore simulating a mouse button press "tapping" the tip of the finger on the touchpad, and i have to press the button instead. |
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| 16:04.11 | jair | hello guys, have anyone here installed Lenny amd64 on a thinkcentre Lenovo desktop? M58p |
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| 16:04.53 | jair | I am trying to install it and having several issues, network adapter not recognized, boot in a bunch of numbers and nothing comes up =( |
| 16:05.55 | adb | !ThinkPad |
| 16:05.55 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models may restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ http://forum.thinkpads.com/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:06.24 | Selveste1_ | Hey - is RTC buildet in the default XEN-kernel ? |
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| 16:06.46 | Selveste1_ | im running 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
| 16:06.47 | Fenix|work | Greetings and Salutations |
| 16:06.49 | jair | adb thank you, I will check that, I am working with a desktop though. |
| 16:06.59 | adb | dpkg: tell jair about selftell |
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| 16:07.12 | Fenix|work | anyone with dmraid experience in the channel? |
| 16:08.06 | adb | Fenix|work: running gentoo ? |
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| 16:08.21 | Fenix|work | adb, no... I gave that up a while ago. |
| 16:08.37 | Fenix|work | used to be an arch tester, but then I got tired of compiling. :) |
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| 16:09.10 | Fenix|work | adb, using ubuntu |
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| 16:09.47 | adb | !ubuntu |
| 16:09.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 16:11.26 | carlitos__ | hi I am trying to mount a sub disk external |
| 16:11.29 | carlitos__ | UUID=f674647f-04e3-4796-b5b6-1c202fa31931 /media/Disco ext3 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:11.37 | carlitos__ | but it is not working ? |
| 16:11.40 | carlitos__ | that line is ok ? |
| 16:12.31 | adb | ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 16:13.10 | carlitos__ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 jun 26 10:56 f674647f-04e3-4796-b5b6-1c202fa31931 -> ../../sda1 |
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| 16:14.16 | adb | carlitos__: what the error ? |
| 16:14.29 | adb | what's* |
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| 16:15.09 | carlitos__ | adb: no error , just can not see nothing |
| 16:15.10 | Gruelius | Hi all, i need to copy my system from drive A to B. Can i just dd the filesystems as root while it is running and then install grub? or does it need to be done offline |
| 16:15.14 | carlitos__ | is empty |
| 16:15.15 | mateusz | is Xorg broken in sid ? |
| 16:15.42 | mateusz | I cant start gdm after upgrade |
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| 16:15.49 | adb | carlitos__: it sure ext3 ? |
| 16:16.45 | jelly-home | mateusz: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... or ready it yourself for starters |
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| 16:17.05 | carlitos__ | ID_FS_USAGE=filesystem |
| 16:17.07 | carlitos__ | ID_FS_TYPE=ext3 |
| 16:18.55 | adb | carlitos__: permissions on /media/Disc are ok for user |
| 16:19.06 | mateusz | jelly-home: the problem it that only xorg has been updated and gdm starts, but after login it crashes |
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| 16:20.01 | carlitos__ | yes |
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| 16:20.14 | Bawstarski | is david here? |
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| 16:20.40 | carlitos__ | chmod -Rf 777 /media/Disco |
| 16:20.40 | jelly-home | mateusz: that's only a symptom, we don't know the problem yet |
| 16:20.43 | Bawstarski | cool story bro |
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| 16:21.44 | jelly-home | mateusz: also take a look in ~/.xsession-errors of the user that logged in |
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| 16:22.51 | carlitos__ | no idea |
| 16:22.53 | carlitos__ | :S |
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| 16:23.11 | Will\work | oi |
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| 16:23.14 | adb | carlitos__: ls /media/Disco , say nothing , as root ? |
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| 16:23.44 | carlitos__ | adb: no, either looks emnpty like root |
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| 16:24.45 | chuckkh | the Debian net install disk hung while resizing my partition; I run fsck -C -y /dev/sda1, and it is parked on an inode with 39000 multiply-claimed blocks; does that just mean it's taking a long time to clone them all?\ |
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| 16:25.38 | adb | carlitos__: maybe it is just a empty disk ... |
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| 16:26.18 | adb | strange that is viewed as /dev/sda1 ... |
| 16:26.27 | carlitos__ | adb: nop |
| 16:26.34 | carlitos__ | is not empty |
| 16:26.50 | jair | if I installed linux lenny without the standard system, very clean linux and I need to run make to install the network adapter from intel should I reinstall lenny and select "starndard system" at least (since I do not have network connectivity) or do I have a way to install make from the debian netinst? |
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| 16:27.47 | adb | carlitos__: what's your boot disk . paste line from fstab for '/ ' |
| 16:27.48 | UukGoblin | that bawstarski dude again... |
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| 16:28.37 | jair | can I uncheck the cd line and then run the command apt-get install make? |
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| 16:28.45 | jair | and it will prompt me for the cd? |
| 16:28.46 | adb | carlitos__: and ' cat /proc/cmdline ' |
| 16:29.16 | chuckkh | well if I rebooted in the middle of the net install disk resizing a 240 GB partition with 10 GB of files, and then run fsck, does it have to repair 240 GB or 10 GB? |
| 16:29.33 | fefo | jair: apt-get update |
| 16:29.47 | carlitos__ | root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet |
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| 16:30.06 | jair | fefo: I did that and I have the cd installed and does not work |
| 16:30.16 | jair | do I have to uncomment both of the cd lines? |
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| 16:30.51 | chuckkh | no? |
| 16:31.47 | fefo | jair: i really dont understand ;) |
| 16:31.54 | fefo | jair: you want to install it from cd ? |
| 16:32.12 | jair | no no |
| 16:32.13 | fefo | if yes, of course you should uncomment cd lines in sources.list |
| 16:32.22 | luke3321 | jair: What is the problem? |
| 16:32.35 | jair | I did that but I do not get the option to install make from the "netinst" cd |
| 16:32.36 | carlitos__ | adb: looks like is not mounting |
| 16:32.48 | carlitos__ | let me see a little bit more |
| 16:32.50 | carlitos__ | :D |
| 16:32.56 | adb | df -h |
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| 16:33.05 | sylarr | anyone know how gnome automount? |
| 16:33.43 | jair | luke3321: I installed lenny on a thinkcentre desktop, the network card is too new for the kernel from debian, I did the install of lenny and could not configure the network, I download a driver from intel, but I need to compiled using make |
| 16:34.00 | luke3321 | jair: You dont have make? |
| 16:34.19 | jair | luke3321: I do not have make because i have the very base install of lenny almost just the kernel |
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| 16:34.32 | jair | luke3321: I did the install from the netinst cd |
| 16:34.51 | luke3321 | jair: Ah, okay. I am assuming you have tried either apt-get install make or aptitude install make |
| 16:35.01 | luke3321 | Correct? |
| 16:35.24 | carlitos__ | adb: http://pastebin.com/d6e28fecd |
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| 16:35.35 | jair | luke3321: so my question is, does make comes on the netinst cd? if it does, can I install from that cd? all I need is get make and any dependencies on my debian 64bit lenny and I will be able to compile the network adapter. |
| 16:35.39 | jair | driver |
| 16:35.48 | jair | luke3321: |
| 16:36.00 | adb | carlitos__: it's not mounted .. |
| 16:36.04 | carlitos__ | adb: http://pastebin.com/d4691e3f6 |
| 16:36.10 | justin | jair: slightly more important than make are things like the actual compiler |
| 16:36.13 | jair | luke3321: I do not have network adapter working remember that. |
| 16:36.15 | carlitos__ | yeah something is wrong I guess |
| 16:36.29 | carlitos__ | I just reboot |
| 16:36.31 | adb | FAT32 /dev/sda1 |
| 16:36.37 | luke3321 | jair: Right. Is the cd mounted? |
| 16:36.42 | carlitos__ | is not fat32 |
| 16:36.48 | carlitos__ | is ext3 :D |
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| 16:37.02 | justin | jair: did you try the kmuto installer? |
| 16:37.04 | justin | !+kmuto |
| 16:37.04 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:37.19 | adb | carlitos__: /dev/sdb1 is ext3 ... |
| 16:38.02 | mateusz | jelly-home: x-session-manager: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. |
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| 16:38.40 | jelly-home | mateusz: pastebin the whole files if you want someone to help |
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| 16:39.05 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 16:39.05 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 16:39.09 | luke3321 | jair: How did you download the driver? |
| 16:39.19 | jair | luke3321: I got it, ok what will be the name of the package that contains make? |
| 16:39.39 | jair | luke3321: I have the driver on another (lenny) laptop working fine |
| 16:39.53 | carlitos__ | adb: what can I do my machine is crazy |
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| 16:40.13 | luke3321 | jair: Ah, okay. Well the name of the deb on the cd will be make with some version numbers after it |
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| 16:40.47 | adb | carlitos__: mount /dev/sdb1 /media/Disco |
| 16:41.08 | luke3321 | jair: But not only will you need make, but build-essential |
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| 16:41.21 | jair | luke3321: hmmm It looks like make does not come with the netinst cd :( |
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| 16:41.36 | justin | jair: if you already compiled the driver on the other laptop with the same kernel then why don't you just copy over the kernel module? |
| 16:41.42 | jair | so should I try to install build-essential |
| 16:41.53 | carlitos__ | adb I did that |
| 16:41.56 | jair | no no |
| 16:42.05 | jair | I did not compile that on the other laptop |
| 16:42.12 | jair | I do not have the same hardware |
| 16:42.22 | carlitos__ | but if I reboot ? |
| 16:42.28 | carlitos__ | have to do that again =? |
| 16:42.29 | jair | if I compile will try to install that on the laptop which is working fine |
| 16:42.38 | justin | jair: it doesn't matter if you have the same hardware or not |
| 16:42.42 | luke3321 | jair: Then you will have to collect all the deb on another computer and put them on some type of removable media, then install them from that |
| 16:42.53 | jair | luke3321: I see |
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| 16:43.09 | justin | jair: "I have the driver on another (lenny) laptop working fine" |
| 16:43.42 | peterius | anyone know when they're going to patch that gnome window maximizing bug? |
| 16:43.47 | jair | justin: I have the tar.gz driver download from intel on another computer with internet connection |
| 16:43.56 | justin | jair: so compile it on THAT computer |
| 16:43.58 | jair | justin: that is what I meant :( |
| 16:44.15 | jair | justin: it will not change or install anything on the laptop? |
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| 16:44.44 | mateusz | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/fa29aa1 |
| 16:45.01 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 16:45.07 | justin | jair: it will do whatever you tell it to do... |
| 16:45.14 | luke3321 | jair: Here, I have a way to do this |
| 16:45.40 | jair | luke3321: how? |
| 16:45.42 | luke3321 | jair: On the computer with the internet connection "aptitude install build-essential checkinstall" |
| 16:45.49 | jair | ok |
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| 16:46.46 | luke3321 | jair: Extract the sources the move into that directory, run "./configure" then "make" then run "checkinstall -D make install" |
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| 16:47.22 | mateusz | jehan: any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 16:47.25 | luke3321 | jair: That generates a .deb with the compiled driver in it. Just move that one deb over to the other computer via a CD or such, install it, and you should have the drivers |
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| 16:47.28 | jelly-home | mateusz: I _think_ that error can happen when an X server dies underneath the X clients, which would mean it's the X server that fails, and not, say, the session manager. |
| 16:47.54 | jair | ok |
| 16:48.02 | luke3321 | jair: Try that |
| 16:48.25 | jelly-home | mateusz: you should pastebin the log file and xorg.conf as well, and perhaps try #xorg with all that data |
| 16:48.39 | jair | luke3321: that will not install anything extra on my laptop lenny system right? the last thing I want is mess up my laptop which is working beautifully :) |
| 16:49.23 | jair | luke3321: I guess I will need to install build-essential I got it, I have another coputer too =) with lenny same version |
| 16:49.31 | luke3321 | jair: Nope ;) that will isolate everything to that one directory, but it will install the deb... All you need to do for that is run "dpkg -r <name of deb you choose>" |
| 16:49.38 | jair | luke3321: thank you so much let me try |
| 16:49.41 | mateusz | jelly-home: whats got updated according to dpkg.log its libwebkit and xorg-core |
| 16:49.51 | mateusz | jelly-home: and Xorg looks fine |
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| 16:50.30 | peterius | did a recent debian upgrade do something to the /dev/rtc, mine is gone and clock setting gives errors |
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| 16:52.22 | mateusz | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/f41fd751b |
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| 16:52.58 | jair | luke3321: I will do the process on a machine I have clone from the laptop I am chatting from =) |
| 16:53.10 | Gruelius | Hi all, is there a way to take a partition out of a raid but keep the data? its raid1 |
| 16:53.14 | aboyz | i want to cp my.cnf.bak my.cnf but it prompt me. how do i disable the prompt and just force it i tried with -f with no luck :( |
| 16:53.32 | luke3321 | jair: Yes |
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| 16:54.05 | jelly-home | mateusz: nothing there at all... Have you tried falling back to EXA instead of UXA? |
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| 16:55.26 | JosefAssad | hullo |
| 16:55.56 | jelly-home | mateusz: also there's a newer xserver-xorg-video-intel in experimental. For that extra instability. |
| 16:56.40 | JosefAssad | I'm on testing, and in a recent update network-manager was removed since the update introduced a conflict between it and some other networking component. What as in supposed to use instead of network-manager, anyone know? |
| 16:56.53 | JosefAssad | wicd and wifi-radar both resolutely fail to connect me |
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| 17:01.07 | luke3321 | JosefAssad: What type of connection? |
| 17:01.25 | JosefAssad | luke3321: oh, wifi |
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| 17:01.32 | JosefAssad | WPS2 personal |
| 17:01.39 | JosefAssad | s/WPS/WPA/ |
| 17:01.41 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 17:01.41 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
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| 17:01.49 | mateusz | jelly-home: it worked before core xorg got updated |
| 17:01.50 | luke3321 | JosefAssad: oh, hmmm... I'm not of much use there. Sorry |
| 17:02.04 | mateusz | jelly-home: no EXA does not work with KMS |
| 17:02.23 | JosefAssad | abrotman: is that a nice way to tell me to man up and do it the old fashioned way instead of with these gimmicky pointy clicky tools? |
| 17:02.41 | jelly-home | mateusz: so disable KMS... you're using very latest tech and wonder things break? |
| 17:02.41 | abrotman | aye |
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| 17:03.03 | JosefAssad | abrotman: I probably ought to. OK, well the weekend is coming up anyhow |
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| 17:03.37 | JosefAssad | lord, using $THAT_OTHER_DEB_BASED_LINUX rotted my mind... |
| 17:03.42 | justin | JosefAssad: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSKandWPA2-PSK |
| 17:03.59 | luke3321 | ha, yep, that other linux can do that |
| 17:04.10 | luke3321 | still not bad tho |
| 17:04.30 | JosefAssad | justin: very useful. Thank you |
| 17:04.54 | luke3321 | jair: How is that working for you? |
| 17:05.38 | Terminus- | hello guys. i just upgraded my kernel to etchnhalf and my NAT stopped working. any way to troubleshoot this? |
| 17:05.46 | JosefAssad | I was about to whine about not getting nice things like access point roaming when I do it like that but then I remembered this PC hasn't gone anywhere in a year |
| 17:05.52 | jaggz- | konsole scrolls so damned slow |
| 17:06.27 | jaggz- | it might be slower when lines wrap |
| 17:06.29 | jair | luke3321: it is done and I used most of the default recommended settings |
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| 17:06.49 | jair | luke3321: now should I look for a .deb file generated? |
| 17:06.49 | luke3321 | jair: That should be fine. Did you install it on the other computer? |
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| 17:06.54 | zup-zip | hi there |
| 17:07.05 | jaggz- | I don't use konsole's features.. what's another good term? |
| 17:07.09 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 17:07.09 | luke3321 | jair: Yes. It should be in the directory containing the source |
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| 17:07.21 | JosefAssad | likes urxvt |
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| 17:08.37 | luke3321 | jair: When you find it show me the filename |
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| 17:08.46 | jair | luke3321: ok I only see one .deb file |
| 17:08.48 | zup-zip | hu ? |
| 17:08.48 | jair | luke3321: I will pass that one to the other machine |
| 17:08.49 | zup-zip | do you know how to triforce ? |
| 17:09.02 | simonrvn | what an odd spit/join |
| 17:09.02 | jair | luke3321: this will be quick |
| 17:09.03 | luke3321 | jair: Yep. Now whats the name of the deb? |
| 17:09.03 | simonrvn | split* |
| 17:09.03 | SlayerXP | oddness. |
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| 17:09.04 | simonrvn | hi SlayerXP |
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| 17:09.43 | SlayerXP | I'm installing a new server which halts at 1% when installing the base system. if I hop to the progress terminal it's giving a list of packages and saying "do I want to install untrusted packages? Type 'yes' or 'no'." Obviously I can't do that. |
| 17:09.48 | SlayerXP | buggered mirror? |
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| 17:09.57 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: yo |
| 17:10.30 | jelly-home | SlayerXP: is the installer media you used downloaded and burned a while ago|? |
| 17:10.36 | abrotman | SlayerXP: are you installing etch? |
| 17:10.46 | luke3321 | SlayerXP: Hm. It might not have picked up the mirrors archive signing key yet |
| 17:10.49 | Terminus- | guys, any help with IP masquerading not working with the etchnhalf kernel? all i have in my iptables is this --> http://slushd.dnsalias.com/~justin/iptables.txt |
| 17:10.50 | luke3321 | Just a guess |
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| 17:11.39 | abrotman | SlayerXP: ? |
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| 17:11.54 | jair | luke3321: the name is src_20090626-1_i386.deb |
| 17:12.00 | ewet | to configure my raid/encryption i'd like to have my running system up. now: i read that luks (asking for my password) is evoked by linuxrc (in initrd). |
| 17:12.07 | jair | luke3321: will this matter 32bit or 64bit? |
| 17:12.12 | luke3321 | jair: yes |
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| 17:12.24 | jair | because otherwise I will not be able of install it on my 64bit lenny :( |
| 17:12.26 | ewet | editing that manually doesn't seem reasonable. what is the debian way to change the (already encrypted system drives) name? because the names will all change (because i have to add 3 new drives) |
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| 17:12.42 | luke3321 | jair: Ah. I didnt know the other system was 64 bit |
| 17:12.44 | jair | luke3321: the laptops I have are running 32bit and the desktop is running 64bit |
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| 17:12.54 | jair | hmmm |
| 17:13.08 | luke3321 | jair: This makes it more difficult, and this approach will not work |
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| 17:13.15 | jair | luke3321: I guess if I try to do dpkg - <package> I will have an error? |
| 17:13.30 | jair | luke3321: I mean dpkg -i |
| 17:13.31 | luke3321 | jair: On the laptop? |
| 17:13.32 | justin | jair: did you say you tried the kmuto installer? |
| 17:13.43 | jair | kmuto installer? |
| 17:13.58 | jair | no I haven't try kmuto |
| 17:14.04 | adb | !kmuto |
| 17:14.05 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:14.06 | jair | luke3321: on the desktop |
| 17:14.20 | luke3321 | jair: It might work, but its a stretch |
| 17:14.45 | luke3321 | jair: If it doesnt, you can always run dpkg -r src |
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| 17:14.49 | luke3321 | that will remove it |
| 17:14.54 | jair | luke3321: I just got the message " package architecture does not match" :( |
| 17:15.21 | luke3321 | jair: Right, It added i386 to the package |
| 17:15.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: did SlayerXP respond, and i just missed it? |
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| 17:15.37 | luke3321 | jair: What model network card? |
| 17:15.42 | Ace2017_- | what is going on, how did i get to #debian-overflow |
| 17:15.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: not that I see |
| 17:15.52 | jair | luke3321: I guess I will need to do this on a virtual machine 64bit (which I could set up quickly) and compile the driver again =) |
| 17:15.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: he must have us on ignore ... |
| 17:16.03 | jelly-home | er, not from what I see. |
| 17:16.10 | vn | hmm know a good freenode chan to talk about databases? |
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| 17:16.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: perhaps he's grieving |
| 17:16.16 | jair | luke3321: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=3003&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go! |
| 17:16.17 | luke3321 | jair: There is always that. I was thinking along that road, but that can get complex to explain |
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| 17:16.31 | Ace2017_- | vn: maybe ##linux |
| 17:16.37 | mateusz | jelly-home: things worked;/ |
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| 17:16.50 | jair | luke3321: I try using ubuntu like and the driver comes with it on the kernel |
| 17:16.53 | mateusz | jelly-home: I will downgrade after I go back home |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | vn: which databases? many databases have their own channels .. |
| 17:17.36 | luke3321 | jair: Yes, I was thinking that testing might come with the driver |
| 17:17.40 | jelly-home | mateusz: it's best to keep xserver-xorg, -core, -video-intel, and libgl1-mesa-dri packages as close to matching versions in time as possible |
| 17:17.44 | luke3321 | but I cant be sure |
| 17:17.55 | vn | abrotman: tis about general database conception |
| 17:18.10 | jair | luke3321: I see. luke3321 but that is great i did not know I could build .deb drives that quick =) |
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| 17:18.53 | luke3321 | jair: Glad I could show you that |
| 17:19.00 | jaggz- | thanks.. using gnome-terminal right now.. 'cept it's resizing the window when I shrink the font size with ctrl- - |
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| 17:19.34 | jair | luke3321: do you have a link that explain the process I would like to understand it rather than just know the steps =) |
| 17:19.40 | jaggz- | I don't think I like it.. urxvt's not installed |
| 17:19.50 | luke3321 | jair: Hmm... Let me grab one |
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| 17:20.12 | jaggz- | I need one where I can right-click and configure it.. like going to profiles and editing font size, colors, encoding |
| 17:20.16 | dustybin | i need to update to the latest debian lenny kernel version, however, aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade does not automatically upgrade my kernel, why? |
| 17:20.20 | jair | luke3321: also, the vm 64bit approach should do the trick right? |
| 17:20.34 | jelly-home | jaggz-: urxvt isn't like that |
| 17:20.37 | luke3321 | jair: That it should, Yes |
| 17:20.51 | jaggz- | yeah.. not interested in text configs so much right now |
| 17:20.54 | jelly-home | jaggz-: pterm :-D |
| 17:21.10 | jair | luke3321: I wait for your link them and after that i will proceed to setup a 64bit version on a VM and then compile the driver there. |
| 17:21.20 | luke3321 | jair: http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic40467.htm |
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| 17:21.21 | jaggz- | urxvt isn't in aptitude? |
| 17:21.35 | jelly-home | !tell jaggz- -about search |
| 17:21.59 | luke3321 | jair: But I told you to pass "-D" as an argument, that is only so you do not have to pick Debian while checkinstall is running |
| 17:22.01 | jelly-home | jaggz-: look for packages with rxvt-unicode in the name |
| 17:22.29 | luke3321 | jair: You can very much run it without, but it will ask you for the type of system |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | dustybin: does it show it being held back ? |
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| 17:22.39 | jaggz- | okay, just rxvt .. thanks |
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| 17:22.49 | dustybin | abrotman: no it doesnt, nothing |
| 17:22.53 | dustybin | Hostname: wizbox - OS: Linux 2.6.26-1-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.097 MHz) - Processes: 170 - Uptime: 131d 2h 24m - Load Average: 1.14 - Memory Usage: 378.35MB/1011.42MB (37.41%) - Disk Usage: 571.54GB/1145.95GB (49.87%) |
| 17:22.57 | dustybin | im stuck with that |
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| 17:23.00 | jaggz- | I did search for it, btw.. |
| 17:23.02 | abrotman | dustybin: install linux-image-686 |
| 17:23.08 | dustybin | abrotman: ok |
| 17:23.11 | jaggz- | having a fuzzy search would be good |
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| 17:23.32 | jair | luke3321: that is great |
| 17:23.56 | eject_ck | Hi all, I need something cool in packages for traffic accounting for Debian webserver :), can someone advice |
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| 17:24.07 | dustybin | abrotman: ill aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:24.08 | luke3321 | jair: However, beware, this is not the official way to make debs. These should only be used locally |
| 17:24.11 | jaggz- | unicode support is probably sufficient for me |
| 17:24.12 | abrotman | dustybin: install linux-image-686 |
| 17:24.24 | abrotman | dustybin: why would ask for help if you're just giong to ignore us |
| 17:24.28 | luke3321 | jair: I could show you how to make a full blown deb, but thats a little overkill |
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| 17:24.40 | dustybin | abrotman: oh i thought that was the one |
| 17:24.40 | jair | luke3321: right, I know that for official we need to go through a policy process maintainers rules etc... |
| 17:24.44 | abrotman | dustybin: install linux-image-686 |
| 17:24.48 | abrotman | i don't make these tihngs up |
| 17:24.53 | dustybin | ok |
| 17:24.56 | luke3321 | jair: Right |
| 17:25.22 | jair | luke3321: maybe some other time, I would like to work on it and if you want me to run tests for you I have a lot of IBM machines ;-) |
| 17:26.17 | jaggz- | oh, no, I definitely need one with font sizing available through hotkeys |
| 17:26.20 | luke3321 | jair: Very nice, maybe sometime I will walk you through creating a full deb for this driver. |
| 17:26.28 | jaggz- | what's up with putty? heh.. |
| 17:26.35 | dustybin | abrotman: installed, i will now reboot :D |
| 17:26.51 | jaggz- | used to use puttyssh |
| 17:26.58 | jair | luke3321: I actually would like to create some drivers for myself to install things quicker and help others |
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| 17:27.25 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:27.28 | dustybin | goodbye uptime :-( |
| 17:27.32 | dustybin | sheds a tear |
| 17:27.39 | basilikum | best (most stable) 3d graphics under lenny? intel? |
| 17:27.50 | luke3321 | jair: Cool, you work on them enough, and given they have compatible licenses, you may be able to get them into the archive |
| 17:27.53 | jair | luke3321: that was a lot of good guidance and help |
| 17:28.11 | jelly-home | basilikum: does the driver have to be free? |
| 17:28.23 | basilikum | jelly-home: absolutely :) |
| 17:28.29 | jair | luke3321: I see |
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| 17:28.42 | jelly-home | basilikum: I can't recommend anything then. ;-) |
| 17:28.49 | abrotman | basilikum: in most cases, yes |
| 17:29.04 | jair | luke3321: I will go ahead and create the 64bit vm then and create the deb to see if the driver is the correct one (hopefully) |
| 17:29.12 | basilikum | jelly-home: why? i know g45 is very buggy now, even from git... |
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| 17:29.31 | jelly-home | basilikum: even i915 is buggy. I have it. |
| 17:29.37 | basilikum | i would like to build a new computer and i'm confused |
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| 17:29.44 | W3b3r_ | hello guys |
| 17:29.52 | W3b3r_ | I updated from lenny to squeeze |
| 17:30.02 | W3b3r_ | now I have gnome 2.26 |
| 17:30.06 | abrotman | basilikum: easy solution .. buy a board with onboard intel + PCIe slot .. so if you decide the intel card/driver sucks, you can go the non-free route |
| 17:30.14 | W3b3r_ | but I have a little problem |
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| 17:30.23 | kanon-mat | i missed what you were talking about. is my i915 buggy? |
| 17:30.25 | abrotman | W3b3r_: your enter key is overactive ? |
| 17:30.28 | jelly-home | basilikum: everything is @#% buggy, including EXA and UXA and latest or not so latest xorg and video-intel on my 2005 i915GM machine. |
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| 17:30.32 | basilikum | jelly-home: there's buggy and buggy. buggy as in crashes X is too buggy for me :) |
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| 17:30.48 | luke3321 | jair: It will be, the problem we are having is that checkinstall sees that it is compiling for an i386 system, so it adds "Architecture: i386" to the package's control file. If you build in a 64 bit VM, check install will change this to "Architecture: amd64", allowing it to be used on other 64 bit installs |
| 17:30.48 | quitte | eject_ck: fudgie.org looks pretty cool. but i had to pass a very big warning about a malicious site to find that site. |
| 17:30.53 | jelly-home | basilikum: I live with some artifacts. |
| 17:30.54 | basilikum | abrotman: you sure have a point... thanks |
| 17:31.06 | W3b3r_ | when I maximize a window, the window stay behind the gnome bars (top and bottom bars) |
| 17:31.17 | abrotman | basilikum: i have an intel 830m on my laptop, i haven't had a serious issue since etch was still testing |
| 17:31.18 | hark | W3b3r_: known issue, check the bts |
| 17:31.21 | luke3321 | W3b3r_: That is a bug in testing |
| 17:31.27 | basilikum | jelly-home: so... nvidia is the only way? :( |
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| 17:31.46 | luke3321 | W3b3r_: if you update metacity to the unstable version, it is fixed |
| 17:31.55 | abrotman | basilikum: it seems like the intel chip/driver success varies widely on implementation .. one 915 will work fine, another won't |
| 17:32.05 | jaggz- | considers installing all applications with "enlightened" in their titles |
| 17:32.09 | jair | luke3321: sounds great |
| 17:32.15 | W3b3r_ | luke3321, It's a bug? ahhh ok... I'ts not a configuration :( haha |
| 17:32.16 | jelly-home | basilikum: if you want to play games or expect decent performance in 3d |
| 17:32.21 | W3b3r_ | luke3321, thanks |
| 17:32.24 | W3b3r_ | hark, thanks |
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| 17:32.33 | abrotman | wait .. i play games .. it works fine |
| 17:32.37 | luke3321 | W3b3r_: No problem, I just went through that yesterday |
| 17:32.39 | abrotman | thinks jelly-home broke his laptop |
| 17:32.46 | basilikum | abrotman: i have a radeon 9250 agp now... very stable, somewhat buggy, quite slow :) |
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| 17:32.53 | jelly-home | thinks abrotman has low expectations |
| 17:32.57 | abrotman | basilikum: it's using the 'radeon' driver |
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| 17:33.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: i expect it to work, mine does |
| 17:33.09 | craigevil | openarena and other 3d games work just fine with the newer xorg/intel |
| 17:33.13 | hark | i915 works fine here too |
| 17:33.21 | abrotman | on every system i have that has the intel cards .. what i need it to do works just fine and then some |
| 17:33.23 | basilikum | abrotman: i know... i want a new computer, and agp is dead |
| 17:33.32 | abrotman | basilikum: oh yeah .. forgot about that :) |
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| 17:33.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: I expect the 3d driver to reach at least half the fps that the xp driver has |
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| 17:33.43 | basilikum | intel was supposed to be the new radeon, best supported |
| 17:33.47 | abrotman | jelly-home: you have a dell don't you? :) |
| 17:33.51 | jelly-home | stinkpad |
| 17:34.04 | abrotman | you've broken it .. my thinkpad is wonderful |
| 17:34.08 | ryanprior | Hey there. I'm new to Debian packaging and I have a bunch of questions. Is this where I should ask? |
| 17:34.14 | abrotman | basilikum: the RV500 series work with the radeon driver also |
| 17:34.23 | sshc | I'm trying to set up sendmail for non-root users |
| 17:34.25 | abrotman | ryanprior: you can try here or #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 17:34.37 | sshc | I copied /usr/sbin/sendmail to /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 17:34.43 | sshc | but I'm getting this error: |
| 17:34.44 | sshc | WARNING: RunAsUser for MSP ignored, check group ids (egid=133, want=139) |
| 17:34.44 | sshc | can not chdir(/var/spool/mqueue-client/): Permission denied |
| 17:34.44 | sshc | Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser. |
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| 17:34.49 | craigevil | im happy if openarena ,tuxracer, supertux and dvds play |
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| 17:35.08 | sshc | can't paste 3 lines? |
| 17:35.11 | luke3321 | sshc: Nope |
| 17:35.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: my X hangs after a few hours or a day if X is started with external monitor connected |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | sshc: paste.debian.net please |
| 17:35.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: you broke it! |
| 17:35.25 | sshc | ok. |
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| 17:35.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: it came prebroken! |
| 17:35.40 | sshc | what do I need to do to fix this? |
| 17:35.53 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps anybody know of a good web video streaming application for like web tv etc, that works well on a large tv as far as the gui goes? |
| 17:36.08 | bbelt16ag | something with a list of the strems to pick? |
| 17:36.09 | bbelt16ag | streams |
| 17:36.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: there was a nice combo of package versions in November 2008 when it worked beautifully |
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| 17:36.27 | sshc | WARNING: RunAsUser for MSP ignored, check group ids (egid=133, want=139) .... can not chdir(/var/spool/mqueue-client/): Permission denied .... Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser. |
| 17:36.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: before that, slow; after that, unreliable |
| 17:36.39 | craigevil | bbelt16ag: boxee |
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| 17:36.52 | bbelt16ag | boxee ok |
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| 17:38.01 | basilikum | jellyhome, abrotman: do you use compiz on the intel graphics? blender can't paint itself in a window on the radeon 9250 |
| 17:38.14 | wadmurr | I can't install Debian Lenny from the net because "Retrieving file 798 of 798" stops downloading, I've downloaded all 788 files about 6 times since last night, trying different mirrors each time. halp me!!!! |
| 17:38.27 | sshc | how do I allow these users to use sendmail? |
| 17:38.27 | basilikum | i don't care about games (except wesnoth :) ) |
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| 17:39.05 | jelly-home | basilikum: no; tried kde4 and gave up after disabling most stuff |
| 17:39.13 | cemunal | how can i get adobe flash support in lenny with *tar.gz? |
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| 17:39.43 | luke3321 | jair: I have to split, I hope I gave you enough info to finish on your own? |
| 17:39.50 | basilikum | scared by kde in general and kde4 in particular |
| 17:39.55 | craigevil | cemunal: install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm |
| 17:40.01 | jelly-home | basilikum: it worked almost fast enough with all the newest features (2.6.30, UXA acceleration), but that was rather unreliable |
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| 17:40.03 | quitte | cemunal: the way adobe puts it in their README |
| 17:40.24 | abrotman | basilikum: i don't use compiz, but blender worked last i tried it |
| 17:40.29 | basilikum | jelly-home: which intel? |
| 17:40.39 | jelly-home | basilikum: i915GM |
| 17:40.54 | basilikum | abrotman: blender works here too, just not when running compiz |
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| 17:41.04 | basilikum | jelly-home: thanks |
| 17:41.08 | netstak | Hi |
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| 17:41.13 | abrotman | cemunal: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 17:41.14 | basilikum | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:41.27 | cemunal | abrotman: i386 |
| 17:41.39 | netstak | I have problems to loggin in debian lenny |
| 17:41.40 | abrotman | cemunal: it's probably really easier to get it from dmm |
| 17:41.49 | jelly-home | basilikum: so rather old, I hope something like x3100 - x4500 whatever would be faster |
| 17:41.52 | basilikum | wadmurr: what error message do you get in the console? you can press alt-f4 |
| 17:42.20 | cemunal | abrotman: i don't want to add dmm repos in stable release. |
| 17:42.24 | jelly-home | offlines |
| 17:42.29 | abrotman | cemunal: why? they have a repo for stable |
| 17:42.29 | netstak | "loggin incorrect" without asking for password |
| 17:42.48 | basilikum | jelly-home: g35 and g45 have opengl 2.0 capabilities... g45 should even decode stuff like bluray in hardware, when the drivers are that far |
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| 17:42.54 | wadmurr | basilikum, nothing, it just shows where it "Get: 797 ..." and ignores 798/798 |
| 17:43.01 | cemunal | abrotman: dmm is unofficial |
| 17:43.08 | abrotman | cemunal: so is adobe flash :) |
| 17:43.31 | quitte | christian marillat is a dd. if you don't trust him you are screwed anyways |
| 17:43.51 | cemunal | abrotman: i know but i want to get only flash :) |
| 17:43.54 | fxiny | a dd and a saint :P |
| 17:44.06 | basilikum | wadmurr: is this what apepars on console 4? nothing else? |
| 17:44.25 | abrotman | cemunal: you can download that package manually |
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| 17:44.57 | wadmurr | basilikum: "Jun 26 17:24:38 in-target: Get:797 http://debian.osuosl.org lenny/main foomatic-filters-ppds 20080528-2.1 [3383kB] |
| 17:45.04 | wadmurr | basilikum: nothing after that |
| 17:45.12 | cemunal | abrotman: can't i do with adobe's tarball? |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | cemunal: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/flash-player/flashplayer-mozilla_10.0.22.87-0.1_i386.deb |
| 17:45.28 | abrotman | cemunal: you can, but it's more difficult |
| 17:45.38 | quitte | cemunal: just open the ball and look for instructions. it's all in there and quite easy |
| 17:45.43 | fxiny | cemunal: then you must check for upgrades , dmm takes care of it for you |
| 17:46.06 | basilikum | wadmurr: is that a debian mirror? |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | cemunal: in order to make it work well with the debian browsers, you have to add entries to the alternatives system .. this package does that for you |
| 17:46.15 | abrotman | basilikum: yes |
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| 17:46.30 | wadmurr | basilikum: yes sir |
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| 17:46.54 | cemunal | abrotman fxiny quitte thanks |
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| 17:47.10 | quitte | cemunal: also there is apt pinning so you can make sure that only packages that you explicitly ask for to be installed from dmm are |
| 17:47.38 | basilikum | wadmurr: sorry, didn't know... do you have enough space on the target? it's strange that it hangs, instead of timeout/package not found... |
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| 17:48.06 | wadmurr | basilikum: yeah i know, i can't figure it out lol. enough space for sure |
| 17:48.19 | wadmurr | basilikum: thanks for the help |
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| 17:50.20 | yziquel | naive question. assume i've got file A and I copy B onto A. how do i get a patch of A->B using quilt? |
| 17:50.40 | basilikum | wadmurr: you're welcome, sorry it didn't work out... did you try a minimal netinst install (without selecting anything in tasksel)? |
| 17:51.01 | wadmurr | basilikum: ahhh good angle! i'll try that now |
| 17:51.09 | quitte | yziquel: after that A is gone. so the answer is you don't |
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| 17:51.25 | sshc | how do I prevent askpass in sudo for using one special command? |
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| 17:52.05 | yziquel | quitte: ok. so how do get a patch of A->B using quilt? |
| 17:52.43 | wadmurr | basilikum: this way i can just run tasksel after the fact |
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| 17:52.54 | wadmurr | basilikum: or install from apt meta packages |
| 17:53.07 | quitte | yziquel: i don't know. i'd just use diff. |
| 17:53.24 | yziquel | quitte: i'm trying to automate stuff, so quilt new, quilt edit isn't sufficient... |
| 17:53.27 | basilikum | wadmurr: or aptitude... i always install minimal and then from aptitude, without recommends, to minimize cruft |
| 17:53.37 | yziquel | quitte: ok. thanks. |
| 17:54.10 | basilikum | wadmurr: yes, with metas like gnome/kde/whatever |
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| 18:01.01 | Oleg_ | How do I install .deb files? |
| 18:01.13 | JPT | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 18:01.14 | dpkg | installs package.deb into jpt's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 18:01.21 | craigevil | ouch |
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| 18:01.45 | JPT | i did not know this trigger |
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| 18:04.12 | Versailles | I have a Debian install on one partition of about 40GB in size. |
| 18:04.21 | Versailles | I need to install Windows XP. |
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| 18:05.12 | Versailles | So, I guess I would need to reinstall the ext3 formatted Ubuntu partition. |
| 18:05.42 | Versailles | Will Ubuntu mind being resized so I can install Windows XP? |
| 18:06.06 | Versailles | Otherwise, I would have to reconfigure my Debian install. |
| 18:06.23 | Versailles | I have an httpd, et cetera that I would like to maintain. |
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| 18:07.38 | W3b3r_ | I have a problem here |
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| 18:07.54 | W3b3r_ | Every day, or almost.. My X crashs.. |
| 18:08.06 | W3b3r_ | I use Intel on-board graphic card |
| 18:08.14 | W3b3r_ | With intel driver |
| 18:08.15 | quitte | Versailles: gparted works pretty well. still you should always make an extra backup when messing with partitions and filesystems |
| 18:08.34 | W3b3r_ | And I have to restart the computer to X work again |
| 18:08.50 | cemunal | how long lenny support? to 20XX ? |
| 18:09.12 | quitte | yes |
| 18:10.45 | Lirion | Versailles: often enough people have f'ed their partitions by resizing them just in the trust that "it will work". practically speaking don't do it witout backups. just my experience. |
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| 18:11.30 | Versailles | Okay, thanks. I'll be sure to back up first. |
| 18:12.13 | Lirion | cemunal: 21xx would be a long time |
| 18:13.16 | quitte | you get the full lifetime support of lenny. and so far debians release cycle has always been rather long. plus about an extra year when lenny becomes oldstable |
| 18:14.27 | basilikum | W3b3r_: which intel board? |
| 18:15.12 | Kazuha | Any way that Bawstarski could be blocked from trying to send his stupid router crasher? |
| 18:15.25 | W3b3r_ | basilikum, 82945G/GZ |
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| 18:16.09 | basilikum | W3b3r_: ouch. is this under lenny? |
| 18:16.21 | ryanprior | My package build failed at the end, but I don't understand why. Output is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/204425/ |
| 18:16.22 | W3b3r_ | basilikum, lenny and squeeze |
| 18:16.41 | W3b3r_ | basilikum, I have this problem with both.. |
| 18:16.57 | Kazuha | (Which, I'll add doesn't affect my system -- but *does* spawn a new window.) |
| 18:17.57 | basilikum | W3b3r_: sorry, no idea... eventually try to file a bug report to debian or intel, or try asking in #intel-gfx |
| 18:18.13 | W3b3r_ | basilikum, ok thanks! |
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| 18:26.49 | ryanprior | I'm new to debian packaging and need some help. Is there another channel I should ask? |
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| 18:27.50 | quitte | ryanprior: look at the answer abrotman gave you |
| 18:28.08 | ryanprior | quitte: I tried joining #debian-mentors but was autobooted. |
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| 18:28.27 | quitte | ryanprior: debian-mentors is on oftc |
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| 18:30.06 | ryanprior | Alright, got it. :-) |
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| 18:33.06 | Armageddon | is there anywhere i can find debian repos for the stable version ? |
| 18:33.09 | jleedev | did you try searching for debian mirrors? |
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| 18:33.10 | Armageddon | oh |
| 18:33.11 | _entr0py | Hi, I recently installed Lenny with /, var, tmp & home parition. My system monitor only reports size of '/' & doesn't seem to report other partitions, can anyone help? |
| 18:33.12 | Armageddon | thanks ^^ |
| 18:33.12 | quitte | some #trivia anyone? |
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| 18:33.39 | quitte | _entr0py: is / read only? |
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| 18:33.48 | _entr0py | Yes |
| 18:34.10 | quitte | _entr0py: /etc/mtab doesn't match the mounted filesystems |
| 18:34.48 | _entr0py | I did disable exim4, atd daemons which I thought I don't need |
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| 18:36.36 | at0m | Kazuha: he's been doing that a couple of times now... maybe call the ops? |
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| 18:36.48 | kingsley | What does "::1/128" mean in apache's configuration line "Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128"? |
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| 18:37.33 | Kazuha | at0m: The 'problem' is that it has no effect on my hardware, or software. But. FVWM *does* have a potential issue with his behavior. |
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| 18:37.50 | bzrk | kingsley: thats your local address in ipv6 |
| 18:38.15 | _entr0py | ::1/128 is local IPv6 address |
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| 18:38.44 | Lirion | not the ::1/128 standalone, that's only the range of addresses assigned to that pc |
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| 18:39.00 | Lirion | goodbye NAT =) |
| 18:39.03 | Kazuha | It all depends on screen real estate. -- Namely that if there isn't enough room on the desktop for the new window, then it will wait for me to place it. |
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| 18:39.30 | Kazuha | Where do Freenode's OPs hide? |
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| 18:40.06 | bzrk | Lirion: ::1/128 is just one ip in ipv6 |
| 18:40.18 | bzrk | its equivalent to 127.0.0.1/32 in ipv4 |
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| 18:41.00 | bzrk | if you want you can write 127 zeros in front but thats a bit unwieldy |
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| 18:43.13 | Lirion | as far as I understood it's equal to one ipv4 address. means: the classical NAT says goodbye and is replaced by a range of ipv6 addresses assigned to one pc |
| 18:43.24 | Lirion | or eh well... computer |
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| 18:44.23 | cuddlefish | Kazuha: In #ops |
| 18:44.25 | _entr0py | even with IPv6, it's difficult to imagine all networks getting rid of NAT, IPv6 would still fell short |
| 18:44.33 | simonrvn | a host can have several ipv6 addresses, depending on context |
| 18:44.58 | bzrk | simonrvn: well thats nothign new is it? ^^ |
| 18:45.35 | Lirion | grml ppl calling as "private" suck. no need for that on a friday evening. I'll head for the loo and leave this discussion for once ^^ |
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| 18:47.05 | bbelt16ag | bah had to update my ubuntu box.. |
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| 18:47.21 | RedEyess | what software would allow a linux client to run software, in a graphical environment, on a windows server? |
| 18:47.30 | simonrvn | bzrk: no, but Lirion said one per computer, i thought that needed amending |
| 18:47.39 | bbelt16ag | ok why are peeps writing code for ubuntu and not debian? I see a lot of projects that are windows mac osx, and ubuntu linux, |
| 18:47.43 | bzrk | simonrvn: kk |
| 18:47.46 | RedEyess | right now, i am aware of => rdesktop |
| 18:48.01 | bzrk | RedEyess: vnc maybe? |
| 18:48.01 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
| 18:48.13 | bbelt16ag | cygwin? |
| 18:48.30 | bbelt16ag | are you trying to remote desktop or you trying to run cron or X on a windows box? |
| 18:48.56 | RedEyess | let's say one create a mixed environment with linux and windows desktops |
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| 18:49.45 | adama__ | virtual server? |
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| 18:49.46 | jair | quick question guys, I have a 64bit version of lenny running just the very light installation not x server, nothing almost I can say just the kernel and some essential gnu/tools. When I run the command "df -h" I noticed that there are 61GB already in use how in the heaven is this possible? |
| 18:49.46 | RedEyess | but there are a couple of programs they need to run that aren't available on Linux |
| 18:49.56 | RedEyess | bbelt16ag: no cron |
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| 18:49.57 | adama__ | wine? |
| 18:50.10 | RedEyess | wine sucks |
| 18:50.28 | RedEyess | i want to avoid having to install wine on many desktops |
| 18:50.28 | jleedev | you suck |
| 18:50.33 | adama__ | depends what you are trying to do - it lets me play team fortress 2 fantastically |
| 18:50.38 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 18:50.44 | RedEyess | for one desktop that might be fine |
| 18:50.47 | Bagualas | whats wrong with this? find ./ -mtime +2 -exec rm -rf {}\; I need to keep only the last seven, so I need to clean some files |
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| 18:51.17 | RedEyess | but administering many desktops would be painful with wine and i am not guaranteed wine will work with the applications they are using |
| 18:51.37 | bbelt16ag | find out? |
| 18:51.38 | jleedev | rdesktop sounds right for that |
| 18:51.42 | adama__ | RedEyess: we need more info about what you are trying to do - specific apps |
| 18:51.45 | bbelt16ag | yeah |
| 18:52.08 | RedEyess | adama__ : accelerated reader |
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| 18:54.01 | RedEyess | adama__ : mavis beacon, some other educational software |
| 18:54.30 | abrotman | reader or typing instructor ? |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | !ltsp |
| 18:54.53 | dpkg | somebody said ltsp was the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org, or http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP, or #ltsp on irc.freenode.net |
| 18:55.00 | RedEyess | adama__ : making sure Linux clients can use Windows applications might only be temporary and in transition to more thin clients |
| 18:55.22 | RedEyess | Does LTSP allow linux clients to a Windows Terminal Server? |
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| 18:55.30 | abrotman | you could just use rdesktop for that |
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| 18:55.42 | abrotman | judd: info rdesktop --release lenny --arch i386 |
| 18:55.42 | judd | abrotman: rdesktop (x11): is optional; Version: 1.6.0-2; Size: 128.2k; Installed: 424k -- RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server |
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| 18:56.23 | RedEyess | TightVNC? |
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| 18:56.42 | RedEyess | yeah... rdesktop is an option |
| 18:56.53 | RedEyess | would be rdesktop be better to use over installing VNC? |
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| 18:57.27 | jleedev | rdesktop is more designed for multiple users, i think |
| 18:57.42 | RedEyess | and VNC isn't? |
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| 18:57.55 | bzrk | afaik rdesktop only supports one user at a time on standard win install |
| 18:58.03 | bzrk | if another logs in the first gets logged out |
| 18:58.12 | RedEyess | oh, ok |
| 18:58.18 | RedEyess | why though? |
| 18:58.23 | bzrk | not sure if vnc does better though |
| 18:58.27 | bzrk | i have no idea |
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| 18:58.31 | kanon-mat | hello! i made a failed attempt at installing windows. now i cant restore grub2. i have 1 ide and 1 sata hdd |
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| 18:58.42 | RedEyess | the documentation is abysmal |
| 18:58.49 | kanon-mat | i used systemrescue cd to try and chroot to my debian installation and run install-grub. is that the way to go? |
| 18:58.57 | bzrk | maybe there are "special" terminal windows versions that allow more |
| 18:59.17 | bzrk | if you need that stuff you best have a look at citrix or similar |
| 18:59.24 | bzrk | be prepared to pay huge money |
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| 18:59.40 | RedEyess | i thought about citrix |
| 18:59.52 | RedEyess | but paying for something isn't an option |
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| 18:59.59 | bzrk | it works just fine but its insanely expensive |
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| 19:00.39 | RedEyess | citrix is an industry leader... i agree with you bzrk |
| 19:00.54 | RedEyess | i am looking for free alternatives to citrix |
| 19:01.10 | bzrk | maybe you can set up something along the lines of an xserver on windows and run software on that but i have zero experience with that |
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| 19:01.28 | jleedev | as long as we're offtopic: has anyone else noticed that there's "Debian Developer's Reference" and "Debian New Maintainers' Guide" (note the apostrophe position)? |
| 19:02.00 | afdev_ | Hi. I'm just trying to install debian with an encrypted LVM. How can I resize the given partitions in it? I need a bigger / and a bigger /tmp (but a smaller /home). Thanks. |
| 19:02.37 | kanon-mat | jleedev, seems Developer is singularis and Maintainers is pluralis |
| 19:03.18 | jleedev | kanon-mat: apparently. i'm just wondering if that's an accident or if they're trying to tell us something |
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| 19:03.29 | RedEyess | this helps everyone... it allowed me to understand what was out there... |
| 19:03.30 | RedEyess | thanks |
| 19:03.48 | jirib | hi, anybody running squeeze and xen as dom0? |
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| 19:05.30 | kingsley | bzrk * _entr0py : Thanks for the ipv6 tip. |
| 19:05.53 | _entr0py | No problem |
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| 19:05.57 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:08.55 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 19:09.05 | bbelt16ag | got a error #2 from dpkg |
| 19:09.15 | eptalon | how is support for hfs/hfsplus in linux (debian sid)? |
| 19:09.18 | bbelt16ag | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown user `munin' in statoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 19:09.18 | dpkg | You are moron #1, bbelt16ag |
| 19:09.33 | bbelt16ag | why |
| 19:10.28 | wadmurr | lol |
| 19:10.41 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: fix your statoverride stuff |
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| 19:11.26 | kanon-mat | <3 the bot |
| 19:11.32 | bbelt16ag | how do I do that never heard of statoverride |
| 19:11.38 | jleedev | !snack |
| 19:11.38 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 19:12.38 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: dpkg-<tab> ;) |
| 19:13.03 | simonrvn | bbelt16ag: though i would think that would be a bug, if you removed munin, and the package didn't update that db |
| 19:13.28 | bbelt16ag | don't know |
| 19:13.39 | bzed | !smack |
| 19:13.39 | dpkg | WAAAH! THAT HURTS! |
| 19:14.13 | indicativo | hi everybody, do you know how to uninstall skype?? there's anything in synaptic cause I installed the Static version from the skype site |
| 19:16.08 | jirib | indicativo: if it was not deb package then manually :) |
| 19:16.13 | indicativo | is it sufficient to delete all the files I find with the "locate" command? |
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| 19:16.18 | eptalon | indicativo: was that a deb? |
| 19:16.30 | indicativo | no, a tar.gz |
| 19:16.34 | jleedev | 'statis' is just a .tar.bz2; they have a deb as well |
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| 19:16.48 | indicativo | yes, tar.bz2 |
| 19:16.48 | eptalon | indicativo: simply delete the dirs/files installed... |
| 19:17.01 | indicativo | ok thanks |
| 19:17.04 | bbelt16ag | there got it |
| 19:17.05 | jleedev | indicativo: try 'locate skype' to find its files |
| 19:17.29 | jirib | is there any debian-xen channel? |
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| 19:17.46 | owen1 | what's the pcm bar in alsamixer means? |
| 19:19.26 | SerajewelKS | owen1: that's PCM sound generated from local programs |
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| 19:20.21 | eptalon | is thewre any way to mount a hfs(+) volume in rw mode? |
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| 19:26.11 | adb | !hfsplus |
| 19:26.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hfsplus is the hfs+ kernel filesystem driver for modern mac filesystems. eg, "mount -t hfsplus ...". <parted> supports the resizing (shrink only) of HFS/HFS+ filesystems, provided that the start of the partition stays fixed. |
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| 19:26.56 | bike^ | apt-cache search avahi |
| 19:26.56 | bike^ | Segmentation fault |
| 19:27.07 | bike^ | some weird problem with libapt |
| 19:27.13 | bike^ | any clews? |
| 19:28.44 | hark | how about aptitude search? |
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| 19:29.24 | bike^ | same thing, no surprise as it uses libapt too |
| 19:29.43 | adb | bike^: etch ? |
| 19:30.08 | afdev_ | Hi. I'm just trying to install debian with an encrypted LVM. How can I resize the given partitions in it? I need a bigger / and a bigger /tmp (but a smaller /home). Thanks. |
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| 19:30.23 | bike^ | unstable. but i havent done any updating or anything for ages, and its worked fine until now |
| 19:30.30 | hark | bike^: does update work? |
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| 19:30.41 | bike^ | segfaults when merging the lists |
| 19:30.43 | bike^ | or something |
| 19:30.57 | bike^ | i dont get the error in gnome-ternimal |
| 19:30.58 | Kanisterschleife | bye! |
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| 19:31.19 | bike^ | and when i start gdm i loose my terminals |
| 19:31.35 | jleedev | !loose |
| 19:31.35 | dpkg | i guess loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
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| 19:32.11 | hark | bike^: remove /var/cache/apt/*bin and run an update |
| 19:32.13 | bike^ | mkay |
| 19:32.15 | bike^ | ok |
| 19:32.17 | bike^ | thanks |
| 19:32.38 | hark | clews should have given a clue :) |
| 19:32.44 | bike^ | jleedev, i'll be sure to add that phrase to my next article for amigaweb ;) |
| 19:32.52 | jleedev | amigaweb? |
| 19:32.57 | bike^ | amigaweb.net |
| 19:33.03 | cemunal | is there somebody plays urban teror with lenny? |
| 19:33.06 | daniel2 | So when does the next debian plan on being released? Just curious. |
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| 19:34.19 | adb | ~ 2 years |
| 19:34.47 | bike^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.48 | bike^ | Error occurred while processing xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support (NewVersion1) |
| 19:34.57 | fxiny | 2+WIR :P |
| 19:35.13 | hark | !tell bike^ about mmap |
| 19:35.13 | adb | !Cache-Limit |
| 19:35.15 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 19:35.17 | abrotman | daniel2: whenever they think it's fit to be released .. there is no schedule |
| 19:35.26 | daniel2 | ah ok |
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| 19:43.53 | davidef19861 | hi all, I'm running lenny, I have a problem with alsa, It work right with stereo video/files; but when I open a 5.1 file I can only ear 5.1 left and right channel so I can't ear the speak, how can i force alsa to use only 2.0 output ? |
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| 19:46.10 | haxi | mh, do a loopstation program exists on linux? |
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| 19:47.24 | abrotman | you mean to record sound over loopback ? |
| 19:47.33 | haxi | yep, i mean that ;] |
| 19:47.44 | abrotman | used to be one called vsound .. i think most use mplayer now ? |
| 19:47.48 | abrotman | judd: versions vsound |
| 19:47.49 | judd | abrotman: vsound -- etch: 0.6-4.1 |
| 19:47.55 | abrotman | judd: info vsound --release etch |
| 19:47.56 | judd | abrotman: vsound (sound): is optional; Version: 0.6-4.1; Size: 14.7k; Installed: 108k -- Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter |
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| 19:48.10 | haxi | mh let me try that |
| 19:48.14 | abrotman | it's not in lenny |
| 19:48.22 | abrotman | or squeeze/sid ... |
| 19:48.22 | ajavid | k3b in kde 3.5.10 in stable will not let me burn mp3 files, it says i have to convert to wave and then burn those |
| 19:48.25 | quitte | in what situation is that useful? |
| 19:48.25 | ajavid | it never did that before |
| 19:48.30 | ajavid | any idea whats up? |
| 19:48.32 | haxi | oh.. :/ |
| 19:48.42 | abrotman | quitte: which ? |
| 19:48.49 | abrotman | haxi: i've heard mplayer can do it |
| 19:48.51 | quitte | abrotman: loopback sound |
| 19:49.00 | haxi | yeah, but I would like a graphic prog |
| 19:49.02 | abrotman | quitte: if you're streaming audio, you could record it |
| 19:49.20 | haxi | I click -> it records, I click -> it stop record and start playin |
| 19:49.44 | abrotman | haxi: see kluppe ? |
| 19:49.59 | ajavid | Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format: |
| 19:50.03 | ajavid | You may manually convert these audio files to wave using another application supporting the audio format and then add the wave files to the K3b project. |
| 19:50.05 | abrotman | judd: info kluppe |
| 19:50.05 | judd | abrotman: kluppe (sound): is optional; Version: 0.6.12-1+b1; Size: 91.1k; Installed: 236k -- a loop-player and recorder designed for live use |
| 19:50.10 | ajavid | home/ajavid/music/DEATH/Necrophagist/Necrophagist_-_01_-_[Epitaph_-_Promo_-_2004]_-_Stabwound.mp3 |
| 19:50.15 | ajavid | dude WTF! |
| 19:50.19 | ajavid | argh. |
| 19:50.26 | haxi | should be what i wanted |
| 19:50.27 | abrotman | it knows better than to convert crap music? :) |
| 19:50.41 | o2T7 | Hi. I've just added my project (localwebfaker) to sourceforge and would be very grateful if some people tested it. It's in an early beta stage now. |
| 19:50.45 | ajavid | I've burned using k3b cds of necrophagist before twice without a problem |
| 19:50.53 | phogg | ajavid: it will work if a plugin is available |
| 19:51.03 | ajavid | I searched apt-cache search k3b |
| 19:51.07 | ajavid | nothing came up, no plugins |
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| 19:51.38 | craigevil | ajavid: libk3b3-extracodecs |
| 19:51.39 | ajavid | i A libk3b3-extracodecs - The KDE cd burning application library - extra decoders |
| 19:51.39 | abrotman | maybe you need lame installed? |
| 19:51.43 | ajavid | aptitude says it is installed |
| 19:51.50 | ajavid | does one have to restart k3b |
| 19:51.54 | abrotman | though that'd be silly .. lame is an encoder, not decoder |
| 19:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's only decoding mp3, that doesn't need lame |
| 19:52.00 | fxiny | go for a resample |
| 19:52.02 | phogg | ajavid: try libk3b3-extracodecs |
| 19:52.11 | abrotman | would just use a gnome app |
| 19:52.12 | ajavid | phogg, yup, aptitude reports it being installed |
| 19:52.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:52.19 | phogg | ajavid: then something is broken |
| 19:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, k3b is nice |
| 19:52.22 | ajavid | yeh, looks like I might have to bro |
| 19:52.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity it uses all those crappy kde libs :) |
| 19:52.32 | ajavid | let me restart k3b and see if it works |
| 19:52.42 | phogg | ajavid: I'd do a reinstall of the package and see if that helps. |
| 19:52.58 | ajavid | lets try 1 thing at a time, phogg i'll keep tha tin mind |
| 19:53.00 | abrotman | there are like five gnome-ish CD burning apps, one of them should be suitable for him |
| 19:53.18 | phogg | But GNOME apps suck by defintion, so... |
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| 19:53.43 | ajavid | yeh |
| 19:53.51 | ajavid | I dunno wtf happened |
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| 19:53.54 | fxiny | unless the necrofile.mp3 needs to be resampled . or reburied :P |
| 19:54.07 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:54.13 | ajavid | 10 minutes I go I was trying to burn k3b, it went 50% burned half the tracks, and errored out, I try again and it can't convert mp3 |
| 19:54.23 | ajavid | so I restart k3b process, and voila, it works agian |
| 19:54.34 | ajavid | let me just reinstall the package in case (phogg) |
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| 19:54.44 | ajavid | i don't want to waste another cd |
| 19:54.47 | fxiny | i'd load rezound |
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| 19:55.00 | ajavid | fxiny, its cd quality rip |
| 19:55.04 | phogg | ajavid: when it failed, what was the error? |
| 19:55.12 | ajavid | I keep all my originals intact, and burn copies |
| 19:55.12 | lunaphyte_ | is there a way i can see the history of what versions of various packages were installed via apt-get/aptitude? |
| 19:55.16 | ajavid | I collect metal |
| 19:55.20 | maligor | if it's cd quality how would it be a rip? |
| 19:55.21 | ajavid | phogg, i pasted it |
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| 19:55.25 | fxiny | ajavid: ripped by what ? |
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| 19:55.27 | ajavid | phogg, if you scroll up a page or two |
| 19:55.28 | quitte | ajavid: there is a simulation mode for a reason. also i always keep rw media around |
| 19:55.41 | ajavid | quitte, ahhh yeah, simulation doh, I'm a tard |
| 19:56.03 | ajavid | fxiny, from a windows program I can't recall |
| 19:56.04 | maligor | oh, runtime image creation? |
| 19:56.05 | ajavid | a while back |
| 19:56.06 | phogg | ajavid: I recommend using k3b to convert and produce an ISO, tell it not to burn. if the ISO is created successfully, burn it as a second step |
| 19:56.17 | ajavid | its burning now |
| 19:56.20 | ajavid | hasn't failed yet |
| 19:56.42 | ajavid | let try finish this cd and see if it fails (i hope it doesn't) |
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| 19:57.08 | phogg | ajavid: while flukes do occur, in my experience mysterious failures don't mysteriously resolve themselves. |
| 19:57.16 | ajavid | phogg, so an iso can contain audio track info and just burn it as an image and it will be an audio cd? |
| 19:57.23 | ajavid | I've never heard of this before |
| 19:57.41 | phogg | ajavid: yes |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | ajavid: seriously? |
| 19:57.52 | ajavid | wow, cool |
| 19:57.56 | ajavid | abrotman, seriously |
| 19:58.00 | phogg | ajavid: an ISO image is multiple tracks, some data, some audio, some video |
| 19:58.11 | phogg | usually people have one data track, but you can do whatever |
| 19:58.12 | abrotman | s/is/can be/ |
| 19:58.14 | ajavid | I mean i didn't know you could do iso stuff to a normal audio cd |
| 19:58.16 | ajavid | thats all |
| 19:58.18 | phogg | abrotman: right |
| 19:58.20 | quitte | an iso is just a dump of a cds content. why wouldn't it work? |
| 19:58.26 | ajavid | I'm a noob |
| 19:58.28 | ajavid | I don't know much? |
| 19:58.32 | ajavid | sorry |
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| 19:58.45 | ajavid | but now i know, :) |
| 19:58.48 | quitte | ajavid: no need to apologize |
| 19:59.12 | fxiny | ajavid: take the noob hat off :P |
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| 19:59.17 | ajavid | :) |
| 19:59.44 | ajavid | 100% success! the trumped played by k3b indicates cd burned successfully |
| 19:59.45 | ajavid | yay! |
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| 19:59.54 | ajavid | now where is my sharpie |
| 20:00.04 | hans | i own an vserver and i do want to set up webdav and some security. what is good, what is bad? Should i use SSL or WiKID? |
| 20:00.05 | phogg | ajavid: chances are not in this channel |
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| 20:00.21 | abrotman | trumpet? |
| 20:00.23 | ajavid | thank you so very much for your help guys, I'm gonna go burn cds. have a great friday. |
| 20:00.29 | ajavid | abrotman, k3b notification sound |
| 20:00.37 | abrotman | trumped is not trumpet ? |
| 20:00.38 | ajavid | army trumpted in morning, that kinda sound |
| 20:00.44 | ajavid | I said trumped? |
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| 20:01.04 | phogg | ajavid: yes |
| 20:01.17 | abrotman | was just trying to figure out what a 'trumped' sounds like :) |
| 20:01.22 | ajavid | the army trumpet sound for waking up people ! :D |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | that has a name ... |
| 20:01.32 | phogg | abrotman: many bootheels hitting the ground at once, my guess |
| 20:01.39 | abrotman | ajavid: and that's a bugle |
| 20:01.43 | ajavid | ahh yes |
| 20:01.48 | fxiny | is the f* "sveglia" :P |
| 20:02.11 | abrotman | ajavid: the morning bugle is Reveille or something like that |
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| 20:03.13 | quitte | isn't it boogle? |
| 20:03.39 | phogg | it doesn't have to be a bugle |
| 20:03.41 | fxiny | reveille is the french for sveglia |
| 20:05.44 | ajavid | Average write speed 25.8x. |
| 20:05.58 | ajavid | does that suck? considering its a 40x burner i think |
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| 20:06.12 | JPT | depends on the media you're burning to |
| 20:06.17 | ajavid | cdr |
| 20:06.19 | ajavid | cd-r |
| 20:06.27 | quitte | sounds good to me. the 40x is a maximum afaik |
| 20:06.32 | ajavid | I se |
| 20:06.37 | ajavid | I thought it was 52x |
| 20:06.40 | phogg | generally, it will burn as fast as is safe for drive and media. You are probably not being artifically limited |
| 20:06.43 | ajavid | I remember having a 52x drive |
| 20:06.44 | JPT | you cannot reach maximum speed at the beginning of the burning procedure |
| 20:06.54 | ajavid | yeh, as you wind down to the cente rof the cd it gets faster |
| 20:06.56 | ajavid | simple physics |
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| 20:07.02 | ajavid | less distance to travel I guess yeah? |
| 20:07.27 | JPT | mh? |
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| 20:07.45 | JPT | afaik, cds are read beginning at the center |
| 20:07.58 | zinx | they are |
| 20:08.03 | abrotman | phogg: no, but traditionally it is |
| 20:09.00 | phogg | abrotman: ? |
| 20:09.06 | phogg | oh, the bugle |
| 20:09.30 | phogg | well, it is in the military, yes. But any wakeup call could be called a reveille. |
| 20:10.18 | fxiny | military ? a necrophasomething ? it sounds more like some apocalipse trumpet |
| 20:10.19 | adb | !alsaconf |
| 20:10.19 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 20:10.30 | fxiny | ajavid: don't touch the seals :P |
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| 20:13.21 | ajavid | hmm? |
| 20:13.45 | ajavid | I like "Thank you for smoking" movie, I'll defend the baby seal poacher! |
| 20:13.50 | ajavid | yeh... ok. |
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| 20:14.45 | fxiny | good , thet didn't give the scroll to you , we are safe ... |
| 20:14.49 | ajavid | why do people send a dcc of key logger on port 0 on 0.0.0.0 (is this some exploit or something in irc clients? what does this do?) |
| 20:14.56 | ajavid | 11:17 [freenode] DCC SEND from Bawstarski [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [17592186044415MB bytes] requested in channel #debian |
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| 20:15.24 | Pricey | ajavid: Please don't repeat things like that. |
| 20:15.30 | ajavid | ok |
| 20:15.32 | Pricey | ajavid: yes it is an exploit. |
| 20:15.37 | ajavid | my bad. |
| 20:15.39 | craigevil | report it in #freenode |
| 20:15.42 | zinx | ajavid: don't paste that, and it's two exploits - one for routers running non-updated vxworks, and one for computers running non-updated Symantec antivirus |
| 20:15.53 | zinx | ajavid: or internet security or something to that effect |
| 20:15.55 | ajavid | I see |
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| 20:16.42 | abrotman | ajavid: that will get you klined, don't do it again |
| 20:16.47 | ajavid | its fine now, 2nd cd successfully burned |
| 20:16.50 | ajavid | abrotman, got ya |
| 20:16.52 | ajavid | thanks |
| 20:17.03 | ajavid | (I was just asking, didn't know it was that big of a deal :) |
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| 20:18.29 | eviltux | hi there. |
| 20:20.19 | ajavid | hello |
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| 20:21.06 | ajavid | heh, my twin brother, the real 'ajavid' asked me if i was still using debian hahahahaha (you may recall he came here a few years ago and guerin scared him off |
| 20:21.09 | ajavid | heh |
| 20:21.23 | ajavid | that was awesome. |
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| 20:24.25 | ajavid | when restarting X, or going back from compiz to kwin, system locks up, and the only thing that works is sysrq + riesub, and afaict, only the reboot (b) works (i guess it shuts down the rest of the stuff before i hit the b (i usually wait a few seconds after each keystroke) but i have to restart regardless to get back into X. Now, I'm on stable, but I've built xorg 7.4 from scratch. I'm not going to ask that you support unstable software on ... |
| 20:24.31 | ajavid | ... stable for me, but if you can advise me on where to start troubleshooting this, I would be very greatful |
| 20:25.16 | ranix | huh |
| 20:25.19 | ranix | good luck with that, ajavid |
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| 20:25.25 | ajavid | yup |
| 20:25.37 | ajavid | it works wonders as long as I dont want to go back from compiz or restart |
| 20:25.51 | ajavid | 15:24:41 up 4 days, 16:56, 1 user, load average: 0.30, 0.72, 0.70 <- 4 days since I compiled |
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| 20:26.09 | ranix | it dies whenever compiz closes, no matter what? |
| 20:26.12 | ajavid | haven't restarted yet after I learned of the problem, so it works as long as i don't restart (that i dot' have to) |
| 20:26.28 | bike^ | thanks hark |
| 20:26.32 | ajavid | ranix, yup, OR if i restart X or shutdown X, or try to shutdown PC, blank screen, only sysrq works |
| 20:26.54 | ranix | ajavid: shut down X without compiz running? |
| 20:27.02 | ajavid | $>sudo apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
| 20:27.11 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.18 | ajavid | dunno why it shows lenny, I've build it |
| 20:27.30 | ajavid | I debianized from sid's build configurations |
| 20:27.38 | Blackhold | hello, debian testing daily is working ok? |
| 20:27.39 | ajavid | but got source from x.org |
| 20:27.54 | Blackhold | the other day it gave me memory dumps in machines that were working |
| 20:27.58 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.59 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.23 | ajavid | dunno why it continues to also show a lenny repo and I don't think it should |
| 20:28.25 | craigevil | ajavid: newer xorg and compiz or kde4 effects do not seem to play nice |
| 20:28.28 | ajavid | its not a backport |
| 20:28.48 | ajavid | I'm on kde3 actually and so far have stopped using compiz |
| 20:29.10 | ajavid | (if I'm on my sid box (intel gfx) and I start compiz, or close it, its fine, nothing is a problem) |
| 20:29.16 | ajavid | so I'm not sure if its that craigevil |
| 20:29.50 | craigevil | intel doesnt seem to have the weird issues nvidia/ati are having |
| 20:29.57 | ajavid | hmm |
| 20:30.04 | ajavid | yes I do have ati on this stable box, using radeon driver |
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| 20:30.23 | ajavid | in fact the only reason I build xort 7.4 on stable was to get free 3d via radeon (as it only works in new xorg /mesa) |
| 20:30.33 | craigevil | ajavid: do a search at the sidux.com forums |
| 20:30.35 | ajavid | fglrx i refuse to use anyway |
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| 20:30.43 | justin | ajavid: did you also build a new kernel? |
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| 20:30.48 | ajavid | yes |
| 20:30.51 | ajavid | 2.6.29 custom |
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| 20:31.05 | ajavid | using the debian kernel config from debian kernel website, I downloaded the gz of the .config |
| 20:31.11 | ajavid | for said kernel |
| 20:31.43 | ajavid | my first attempt was using .29 bpo kernel, but it didn't have kbuild for .29, I siad might as well build my own |
| 20:32.40 | ajavid | and yes, I do need .29+ on stable, as that is my box and I have 2tb ext4 raided/mirrored |
| 20:32.51 | ajavid | so for ext4, I have to have .29 or higher |
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| 20:34.23 | iluminator101 | what tar command works all tar sort files? |
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| 20:34.41 | justin | !+unp |
| 20:34.41 | dpkg | methinks unp is a tool to run an appropriate unpacking/extracting program for various compressed file formats. It tells loudly if the appropriate program (eg. <unrar>) is not installed and how to install it. |
| 20:34.49 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.55 | farid | ajavid: plz a question about openlina |
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| 20:35.06 | farid | it's work in debian |
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| 20:35.08 | ajavid | dude I'm a noob |
| 20:35.26 | ajavid | I only know how to make my shit work, and also don't singe me out for support |
| 20:35.32 | ajavid | farid, kindly ask the whole channel |
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| 20:35.55 | farid | ok good and where can i find him |
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| 20:36.01 | ajavid | farid, also I have no experience with openlina |
| 20:36.07 | ajavid | farid, just ask |
| 20:36.08 | farid | ok thanks |
| 20:36.11 | ajavid | !tell farid -about ask |
| 20:36.18 | ajavid | use that sample asking format, its a good question format |
| 20:36.54 | farid | ajavid: my question if openlina can work on debian or not |
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| 20:37.03 | ajavid | I've no idea what openlina is |
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| 20:37.51 | ajavid | I see. Debian runs in many virtualization environments |
| 20:37.55 | farid | ajavid: ok openlina is an environement |
| 20:38.03 | ajavid | on google I see someone running ubuntu inside mac os x using openlina |
| 20:38.24 | Blackhold | did someone installed a daily testing of today? worked ok? |
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| 20:38.25 | ajavid | try google, or see if openlina has a support channel here #openlina or visit thier website and see on the forums or something about debian |
| 20:38.27 | farid | ajavid: where we can test all most linux unix windows most system programs and commande |
| 20:39.12 | dustybin | mutt v pine what do you prefer? |
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| 20:40.42 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps my dns in resolvconf need to be changed what's the command I need to send to dpkg to get the info.. |
| 20:40.58 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, why to dpkg? |
| 20:41.04 | ajavid | what? |
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| 20:41.13 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 20:41.18 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.39 | ajavid | just edit /etc/resolvconf and add a line nameserver x.x.x.x. where you put your ip |
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| 20:41.58 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, or you can go into the networking interfaces and specify dns-nameservers directive |
| 20:42.17 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, or you can specify it in your pre up script or even in your dhcp init script |
| 20:42.31 | ajavid | bbelt16ag, there is also a resolvconf package |
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| 20:44.09 | ajavid | hehi love the k3b army sound |
| 20:44.20 | ajavid | alright, I'm out guys, peace and prosperity to all |
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| 20:45.41 | yziquel | how do you specify with apt-pining that i want a package from a specific repository? |
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| 20:47.11 | adb | !pinning |
| 20:47.11 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 20:47.46 | yziquel | adb: thanks |
| 20:48.02 | bbelt16ag | ok I got that part.. now for the confusing part |
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| 20:48.21 | bbelt16ag | I can nslookup and resolve my dns name.. but I can ssh homename.something.local wth |
| 20:48.23 | bbelt16ag | why? |
| 20:48.29 | iluminator101 | how do i block all udp packets |
| 20:48.40 | justin | !wayttd iluminator101 |
| 20:48.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, iluminator101? |
| 20:48.43 | joltcan | bbelt16ag: ssh -v and see where it stops |
| 20:48.46 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 20:49.05 | adb | iluminator101: iptables ? |
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| 20:49.13 | bbelt16ag | ssh: Could not resolve hostname mediacenter.amphipolis.thrace.local: Name or service not known |
| 20:49.18 | iluminator101 | on my firestarter some ips are showed on events but they are greyed out why |
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| 20:50.37 | joltcan | bbelt16ag: that didn't look like something resolvable. Are you on the .local network yourself? Does it work if you try with the IP instead |
| 20:50.47 | iluminator101 | so like ufw deny from any/udp |
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| 20:52.19 | Semicolon | hi |
| 20:52.34 | Semicolon | is the package "wvdial" on the 1st Lenny-CD ? |
| 20:52.39 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 20:52.44 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.45 | Semicolon | bbelt16ag, great |
| 20:52.48 | Semicolon | thank you |
| 20:53.01 | Semicolon | according to the tutorials I will need that one :) |
| 20:53.03 | Semicolon | bye bye |
| 20:53.05 | Semicolon | thx |
| 20:53.18 | iluminator101 | permission to pm adb |
| 20:53.39 | adb | i dunno iptables |
| 20:54.16 | adb | google a bit , sure are many examples there |
| 20:54.34 | joltcan | adb: I think he wants to do it with some app? |
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| 20:56.06 | adb | joltcan: why not help him , than ? |
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| 20:57.15 | yziquel | concerning apt-pinning, i do not understand how to specify a specific repository. I mean, my own repository. Could not determine if it is the o= (Origin) or the l= (Label). And how do I give a specific "name" to my repository to work with apt-pinning? |
| 20:57.59 | joltcan | adb: because I don't know any firewall apps |
| 20:58.03 | joltcan | I'm oldschool |
| 20:58.20 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
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| 21:00.00 | bbelt16ag | question... if I wanted to install a x86 app from the repo I would have to? install libraries duplicate of what I got? |
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| 21:01.35 | adb | bbelt16ag: installing what? which release ? |
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| 21:01.42 | bbelt16ag | lenny? |
| 21:01.54 | bbelt16ag | boxee is x86 I can't run it on any of my boxes |
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| 21:02.13 | bbelt16ag | was wondring what I needed to do to get it to install |
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| 21:04.46 | bbelt16ag | bah I spent all day upgrading the darn thing |
| 21:04.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.03 | bbelt16ag | upgrading linux |
| 21:05.24 | adb | to ? |
| 21:05.39 | bbelt16ag | the next version? |
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| 21:05.55 | bbelt16ag | I tried doing it with source, packages etc, just will not install my software or run it |
| 21:05.57 | adb | what's the next version? |
| 21:06.07 | bbelt16ag | intrepid on the one box |
| 21:06.17 | bbelt16ag | I tried installing it on debian as well, as source |
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| 21:06.29 | bbelt16ag | couldn't even find the spot to do a ./configure |
| 21:06.51 | bbelt16ag | don't know what went wrong. |
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| 21:07.11 | bbelt16ag | all I wanted to do was play video streams on my media center box. |
| 21:07.46 | adb | running ubuntu ? |
| 21:07.54 | haxi | mh |
| 21:07.57 | bbelt16ag | at the moment yes |
| 21:07.57 | haxi | what's the command to see what progs use /dev/dsp? |
| 21:08.11 | luke3321 | haxi: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 21:08.17 | luke3321 | haxi: I believe thats it |
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| 21:09.04 | haxi | mh yeah |
| 21:09.17 | haxi | but in fact I want to know what progs are currently using hw:0,0 |
| 21:09.27 | haxi | but I have no idea of what it means :D |
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| 21:09.47 | haxi | well my problem is comming from jack: |
| 21:09.48 | mesa_booger | haxi: that's alsa btw, /dev/dsp is oss. you need /dev/snd/* |
| 21:09.48 | haxi | the playback device "hw:0,0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again |
| 21:09.48 | haxi | cannot load driver module alsa |
| 21:10.13 | mesa_booger | fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
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| 21:10.23 | mesa_booger | or lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 21:10.36 | haxi | mh |
| 21:10.41 | haxi | seems firefox-bin is using it |
| 21:10.42 | bbelt16ag | has anyboyd compiled boxee from source on linux? |
| 21:10.43 | haxi | :-' |
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| 21:11.16 | luke3321 | haxi: Firefox tends to steal sound sometimes |
| 21:11.26 | haxi | mh yeah |
| 21:11.34 | haxi | grr still the same error with jack :/ |
| 21:11.43 | luke3321 | you kill firefox-bin? |
| 21:11.48 | Blackhold | iuhu he sacado 80gigas de mierda xD |
| 21:11.52 | haxi | yep |
| 21:12.04 | bbelt16ag | I noticed that too and mess up flash videos |
| 21:12.09 | luke3321 | hm. lsof it again. maybe something else took it |
| 21:12.20 | luke3321 | bbelt16ag: Story of my life, flash sound issues |
| 21:12.30 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 21:12.32 | haxi | qjackctl 3460 leo 11u CHR 116,1 0t0 5550 /dev/snd/seq, only |
| 21:12.52 | luke3321 | haxi: Hm.. kill it at re-run jack? |
| 21:13.14 | luke3321 | *and |
| 21:13.18 | haxi | well |
| 21:13.24 | haxi | it's the prog who runs jack |
| 21:13.29 | haxi | it's a graphical interface to run it |
| 21:13.38 | luke3321 | yeah, i figured that |
| 21:13.45 | luke3321 | but you never know. might work |
| 21:14.04 | haxi | well |
| 21:14.06 | haxi | still same :/ |
| 21:14.11 | luke3321 | wow |
| 21:14.18 | luke3321 | tough little thing |
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| 21:14.45 | luke3321 | /dev/dsp linked through alsa to use hw:0,0? |
| 21:14.56 | haxi | well, I don't know at all |
| 21:15.05 | haxi | I don't know what I'm using |
| 21:15.11 | haxi | I know that there is alsa on that system |
| 21:15.27 | haxi | but I dunno if hw:0,0 is the good "interface" or smtg |
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| 21:15.37 | mesa_booger | haxi: what are you trying to achieve ? just kill the jack server with qjackctl, and all the other sound apps will be happy |
| 21:15.57 | haxi | well I want to run jackd |
| 21:16.08 | haxi | to be able to run kluppe |
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| 21:16.54 | mesa_booger | haxi: so what's the problem ? just stop the server (red button), change the settings to optimal, then start the server (green button) |
| 21:17.20 | mesa_booger | haxi: or let your app initiate the server# |
| 21:17.31 | haxi | yes yes |
| 21:17.35 | haxi | it starts the server |
| 21:17.40 | haxi | well in fact no |
| 21:17.45 | haxi | because there is the error |
| 21:17.53 | haxi | control device hw:0 |
| 21:17.53 | haxi | the playback device "hw:0,0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again |
| 21:17.53 | haxi | cannot load driver module alsa |
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| 21:18.48 | haxi | I think hw:0,0 is the right "interface" |
| 21:19.23 | haxi | when I lsof /dev/snd/*, nothing appears |
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| 21:22.26 | luke3321 | haxi: lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 21:22.33 | luke3321 | what comes up? |
| 21:22.41 | bike^ | hark, yep, adding the limit thing worked, weird tho, i thought that problem was gone :S |
| 21:22.46 | haxi | nothin'. |
| 21:23.09 | luke3321 | haxi: Thats interesting... Have you tried restarting the computer? That will kill anything using it ;) |
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| 21:23.46 | haxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.49 | haxi | hell man :-D |
| 21:23.57 | luke3321 | damn |
| 21:24.10 | luke3321 | thats some good uptime |
| 21:24.10 | haxi | tbh |
| 21:24.15 | haxi | yay |
| 21:24.16 | haxi | but |
| 21:24.32 | haxi | I think that if I restart NOW, I'll have some big problems with kde libs |
| 21:24.33 | haxi | :D |
| 21:24.33 | hark | bike^: is it still segfaulting? |
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| 21:24.42 | haxi | but.. I have to try it? |
| 21:25.04 | luke3321 | haxi: You might have to. What makes you think the KDE libs are gonna be a problem? |
| 21:25.12 | bike^ | hark, nope, worked, didnt think that was the problem tho, removed a load of lists from the sources file too :S |
| 21:25.15 | haxi | well dunno |
| 21:25.32 | haxi | I saw some packages went to kde4 |
| 21:25.35 | haxi | some didn't |
| 21:25.36 | bike^ | but then again, im left with etch stable to unstable so |
| 21:25.39 | luke3321 | haxi: Well, its worth a shot. It may fix it |
| 21:25.45 | luke3321 | haxi: Yeah, you on testing? |
| 21:26.08 | haxi | yep |
| 21:26.27 | hark | bike^: don't do it that way, upgrade to lenny first |
| 21:26.32 | luke3321 | ooh. that may be an incomplete kde transition. but dont take my work for it |
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| 21:26.43 | luke3321 | *word |
| 21:26.43 | hark | bike^: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 21:27.13 | bike^ | hark, i usually just install the base system, add testing and unstable to the list and grab xfce4 and everything else i need |
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| 21:27.41 | bike^ | thanks tho, i'll read up |
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| 21:28.01 | bbelt16ag | bah |
| 21:28.19 | bbelt16ag | BAH |
| 21:28.28 | luke3321 | bbelt16ag: Your computer on fire? |
| 21:28.37 | bike^ | sheep around? |
| 21:28.42 | bbelt16ag | autoconf, command that was what it was, |
| 21:28.51 | bbelt16ag | surly somebody could of told me one command!?? |
| 21:28.55 | bbelt16ag | bahhhh |
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| 21:30.02 | luke3321 | Has anyone ever had any luck compiling the firefox source against debian amd64? |
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| 21:30.32 | bbelt16ag | there we go.. so far so good |
| 21:30.45 | enouf | bbelt16ag: to generate a configure file? |
| 21:31.00 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 21:31.05 | bbelt16ag | I never knew that command |
| 21:31.11 | enouf | bbelt16ag: you want autoconf :-p |
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| 21:31.26 | bbelt16ag | yeah now I know, I was trying to find it for hours.. |
| 21:31.48 | craigevil | firefox doesnt need to be compiled just download it from Mozilla and unpack it |
| 21:31.57 | enouf | bbelt16ag: your searching has left you a bit .. er sheepish? or ... naaahhh |
| 21:32.02 | phogg | craigevil: it needs to be compiled if you are building it yourself. |
| 21:32.23 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 21:32.31 | enouf | do you happen to have a goatee? :-P |
| 21:32.43 | bbelt16ag | no... |
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| 21:32.52 | bbelt16ag | what does libsdl-stretch do |
| 21:33.11 | luke3321 | craigevil: They dont release a 64 bit linux version |
| 21:33.17 | enouf | bbelt16ag: any particular reason you're compiling? oh |
| 21:33.27 | phogg | bbelt16ag: I have no such package |
| 21:33.27 | bbelt16ag | 64bit? |
| 21:33.32 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:33.38 | bbelt16ag | that's the reason |
| 21:33.46 | bbelt16ag | I don't want another os on my mediacenter box |
| 21:33.56 | bbelt16ag | I think someging goom failed... |
| 21:34.45 | bike^ | firefox should compile just fine |
| 21:35.09 | luke3321 | bike^: Tell that to my compiler |
| 21:35.12 | bike^ | had a helova time with cinelerra on ubuntu a few days ago, it expected me to port it myself, had some undefined references |
| 21:35.24 | enouf | if it did, why wouldn't they release a 64bit version as well as a 32bit one? |
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| 21:38.33 | craigevil | why not just use iceweasel? |
| 21:38.55 | luke3321 | craigevil: I wanted to try out 3.5 |
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| 21:38.59 | mateusz | Hi |
| 21:39.03 | mateusz | I need help with xorg-core |
| 21:39.07 | luke3321 | And I just found a download |
| 21:39.09 | luke3321 | Success |
| 21:39.10 | mateusz | is it possible to downgrade ot? |
| 21:39.23 | mateusz | snapshots contain ancient versions |
| 21:39.25 | bbelt16ag | config #3 good thing I found my history of packages I install on xbmc to test on this box.. hopfully this willmake it shorter now |
| 21:39.34 | mateusz | and latest upgrade broke everything |
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| 21:39.48 | adb | !downgrade |
| 21:39.48 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 21:40.26 | davbook | is this normal that empathy in sid does not provide msn support? |
| 21:40.28 | craigevil | luke3321: swiftfox has 3.5 64bit version |
| 21:40.31 | mike^ | craigevil, i've seen iceweasel fall behind on important updates a few times now, so thers a reason |
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| 21:40.42 | fmnovais | hello all. How do i make a initrd.gz ? I have a hdba with syslinux and hdbb with rootfs. I have to put initrd=initrd.gz in syslinux..? |
| 21:41.01 | mateusz | adb: I was trying debian.snapshots |
| 21:41.07 | luke3321 | For all those who care. Firefox is built for 64 bit linux, but it is called Shiretoko |
| 21:41.07 | mateusz | adb: if should be possible to downgrade |
| 21:41.14 | mateusz | adb: current xorg-core breaks X |
| 21:41.16 | haxi | luke3321: I try to reboot |
| 21:41.16 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009061319 Firefox/3.0.11 (Debian-3.0.11-1) same as the Mozilla release version |
| 21:41.33 | luke3321 | The useragent maybe |
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| 21:41.46 | davbook | anyone using gnome? |
| 21:42.34 | mike^ | fmnovais, get mkinitd |
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| 21:42.37 | adb | mateusz: sid ? |
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| 21:43.07 | mike^ | and yes, the syslinux.conf needs to contain that line of course, man syslinux.conf should be helpful |
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| 21:45.19 | luke3321 | Bah, Shiretoko uses a little more processor than iceweasel |
| 21:45.34 | luke3321 | But it is much faster |
| 21:45.52 | buntfalke | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1 count=440 will copy the bootloader over to my new disk, right? |
| 21:45.53 | fmnovais | mike^, thank you iii see.. |
| 21:45.59 | buntfalke | hmm |
| 21:46.52 | mike^ | buntfalke, uhm, 512 atleast i bet |
| 21:47.07 | mike^ | but i havent done anything like that before |
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| 21:48.23 | buntfalke | mike^: no, that would include the part-table, as well |
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| 21:48.38 | mike^ | ah |
| 21:48.49 | buntfalke | afaik. well. i will boot debian live again and grub-install chrooted |
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| 21:49.23 | phonebook | is debian better than ubuntu |
| 21:49.47 | mike^ | pretty much the same, early ubuntus had a very limited repo tho |
| 21:50.03 | mike^ | i could get work done in both, but i prefer debian |
| 21:50.23 | mike^ | ubuntu is too nooby , not prompting for a root password during install and expecting you to sudo everything |
| 21:50.29 | pngwn | phonebook, try it and you tell us |
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| 21:51.51 | phonebook | does Dosbox work with debian properly? with ubuntu there's sound issues |
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| 21:52.06 | mateusz | Hi |
| 21:52.13 | mateusz | any help to downgrade xorg-core;/ |
| 21:52.40 | mike^ | mateusz, whats the problem? have you installed the drivers from nvidia or something? |
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| 21:52.58 | mike^ | updates tend to mess about with some files |
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| 21:53.50 | adb | buntfalke: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 21:53.52 | mateusz | mike^: I upgraded xserver-xorg-core on sid, and my X keeps crashing |
| 21:54.09 | mateusz | mike^: I am using intel GM965 and it was working with previous 1.6.1 version |
| 21:54.40 | mateusz | mike^: they pulled experimental version to sid now and I cant find previous version anywhere |
| 21:55.24 | adb | mateusz: welcome to unstable |
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| 21:56.14 | mateusz | adb: its still not experimental and only way to have things up to date |
| 21:56.57 | mateusz | adb: also being sarcasting does not help |
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| 21:57.34 | action09 | adb ;) |
| 21:57.44 | enouf | mateusz: it's meant for devs and people whom like to help out via filing bug reports |
| 21:57.48 | lymeca | I just got the latest netinst testing CD and tried to install onto a new thinkpad, but I think I ran into this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524179 |
| 21:57.51 | lymeca | mkinitramfs-kpkg fails |
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| 21:58.24 | enouf | mateusz: experimental doens't contain nearly the amount of software that sid does ... |
| 21:58.29 | mateusz | enouf: #534541 - xserver-xorg-core: upgrade from 2:1.6.1.901-2 to 2:1.6.1.901-3 breaks DRI2 |
| 21:58.38 | mateusz | enouf: I am not using experimental in any way |
| 21:58.39 | lymeca | because of dependecy issues... linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 which in tern is not configured yet |
| 21:59.04 | enouf | mateusz: beauty - so you know about apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges then? ;-) |
| 21:59.06 | lymeca | So no initrd image can be generated and Debian fails to install as a result. |
| 21:59.17 | mateusz | enouf: when I upgraded it did not show up anything |
| 21:59.19 | mateusz | enouf: now it does |
| 21:59.27 | lymeca | The bug report indicates it has something to do with inability to mount /sysfs or something? |
| 21:59.35 | enouf | mateusz: i was just correcting your 'and only way to have things up to date' nonsense ;-) |
| 21:59.49 | mateusz | enouf: yes I use apt-listbugs |
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| 22:00.20 | lymeca | Not sure... but hmm, the bug report says it was fixed very recently |
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| 22:01.05 | lymeca | The reply believes that initramfs-tools_0.93.3 fixes it |
| 22:01.07 | mateusz | enouf: do you know if there is any place I can download xserver-xorg 2:1.6.1.901-2 |
| 22:01.15 | mateusz | enouf: that would help a lot |
| 22:01.21 | lymeca | How can I tell what version I have on my netinst testing install CD? |
| 22:01.22 | enouf | lymeca: it's been that way a long time (linux-image-2.6-ARCH depends on linux-image-2.6.26-x-ARCH) |
| 22:02.00 | enouf | mateusz: you probably still have the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:02.26 | lymeca | enouf: Yeah, but the problem goes deeper. linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 cannot be configured because mkinitramfs-kpkg fails to create an initrd image |
| 22:03.10 | enouf | lymeca: wait, which Release are you using? and is debian installed? or .. are you upgrading from Etch? |
| 22:03.29 | lymeca | Debian is not installed. I am trying to install from a testing netinst CD |
| 22:03.42 | mateusz | enouf: I dont have space for all updates since half a year |
| 22:03.43 | enouf | lymeca: ahh .. squeeze/testing? |
| 22:03.46 | adb | lymeca: use lenny installer only base-system and upgrade later to testing |
| 22:03.48 | mateusz | enouf: so I dont have it there:( |
| 22:03.58 | mateusz | enouf: also debian.snapshot is too old for dri2 |
| 22:04.21 | enouf | lymeca: i concur with adb - is that a Daily snapshot? |
| 22:04.22 | adb | lymeca: that will be less time consuming |
| 22:04.34 | lymeca | enouf: It is not a daily snapshot |
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| 22:04.48 | lymeca | I guess I'll start over at lenny |
| 22:05.01 | enouf | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
| 22:05.01 | judd | enouf: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.4+3 |
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| 22:05.59 | lymeca | enouf: Wait... yeah it is |
| 22:06.00 | lymeca | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:06.06 | lymeca | That's where I got it from. |
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| 22:06.56 | mateusz | enouf: I need xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.1.901-2 instead of 2:1.6.1.901-3 |
| 22:07.01 | mateusz | enouf: that would fix the problem |
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| 22:07.44 | TPC | hello |
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| 22:07.57 | TPC | I'm running debian sid, and I'm playing video files in mplayer |
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| 22:08.37 | TPC | but I have a problem, mplayer doesn't seem to have any font installed, so when I press the button to make show how far the video has progressed (the o button) it doesn't display the time |
| 22:08.51 | TPC | I'm guessing that it can't find a font or something, and that I'm probably missing a package, but I can't figure out which one |
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| 22:09.13 | mateusz | judd: xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:09.14 | judd | mateusz: Error: "xserver-xorg-core" is not a valid command. |
| 22:09.46 | TPC | I've tried both with the mplayer in sid, and the one from debian-multimedia, the problem occurs in both |
| 22:09.55 | TPC | does anyone know what app I could be missing? |
| 22:10.01 | TPC | s/app/package/ |
| 22:10.08 | mateusz | judd: versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:10.08 | judd | mateusz: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1 squeeze: 2:1.4.2-11 sid: 2:1.6.1.901-3 |
| 22:10.45 | mateusz | enouf: squeeze version is too ancient to run with dri2 :( |
| 22:10.56 | enouf | mateusz: i see now |
| 22:11.47 | enouf | welp, hopefully the bug report will make the maintainers retrograde it down .. or fix the bug :-) |
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| 22:12.50 | enouf | mateusz: erm .. ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.1.901-2 Xorg X server - core server |
| 22:12.55 | enouf | :-p |
| 22:13.07 | mateusz | enouf: do you have it in /var/apt/archives ? |
| 22:13.14 | enouf | ofcourse |
| 22:13.19 | mateusz | enouf: if you're on amd64 maybe you can dcc ? |
| 22:13.34 | enouf | i386 here :-/ |
| 22:15.11 | mateusz | anyone around with amd64 and xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.1.901-2 in /var/apt/archives ? |
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| 22:15.33 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2168058 2009-05-14 12:32 xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.6.1.901-2_i386.deb |
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| 22:15.52 | dawda | hi all =) |
| 22:16.13 | enouf | mateusz: it's "/var/cache/apt/archives/" |
| 22:16.27 | dawda | what is going on here? |
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| 22:16.46 | enouf | someone lost their .deb |
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| 22:17.06 | dawda | how are you enouf? |
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| 22:17.18 | mateusz | dawda: yes I need xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.6.1.901-2_amd64.deb |
| 22:17.21 | enouf | mezza mezza |
| 22:17.50 | dawda | gr8 |
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| 22:19.08 | enouf | wonders why the ':' gets turned into '%3a' |
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| 22:19.42 | enouf | ISO-88xx-1 vs UTF-8 ? |
| 22:19.42 | themill | URL encoded.... : is a special character on some legacy filesystems |
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| 22:20.10 | dawda | me enouf? dont know should I change it to another? |
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| 22:20.24 | enouf | themill: hrm .. so reiserfs 3,6 is a legacy FS? :-P |
| 22:20.35 | dawda | oh sorr y mistake ;-| |
| 22:20.39 | enouf | dawda: nah, you're ok |
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| 22:20.48 | dawda | ok |
| 22:20.56 | buntfalke | adb: thanks for the link - i grub-installed it already though, just takes a minute anyway... |
| 22:21.35 | enouf | themill: or are the maintainers, uploaders, ftp-servers running fat16 ? |
| 22:21.40 | enouf | hides |
| 22:21.49 | amphi | fat12! |
| 22:22.05 | enouf | !floppysmite amphi |
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| 22:22.11 | enouf | b00 |
| 22:22.21 | themill | no, but you might be.... think /var/cache/apt/archives over samba or on a usb stick using apt-zip |
| 22:22.40 | amphi | enouf: heh, good attempt |
| 22:22.44 | enouf | themill: none of that nonsense here ;-) |
| 22:22.57 | enouf | amphi: strike 1 only :-p |
| 22:23.06 | mateusz | anyone have xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.6.1.901-2_amd64.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 22:24.03 | adb | mateusz: wget http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.6.1.901-2_amd64.deb |
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| 22:24.27 | Anacleto | hola |
| 22:24.50 | Anacleto | hello |
| 22:25.11 | mateusz | adb: thanks a lot it fixed crashing |
| 22:25.15 | Anacleto | mi pollas es tan grande que de un pollazo os rompo tos los piño de la boca |
| 22:25.18 | Anacleto | adsf |
| 22:25.18 | Anacleto | afds |
| 22:25.18 | Anacleto | asdf |
| 22:25.18 | Anacleto | dsf |
| 22:25.19 | Anacleto | sad |
| 22:25.19 | Anacleto | f |
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| 22:25.30 | enouf | adb: where;s the '2:' ? .... |
| 22:25.45 | adb | http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ |
| 22:25.55 | bbelt16ag | hey pees any idea why goom won't compile pastebin inc.. |
| 22:26.06 | enouf | no, i mean in /xserver-xorg-core_1.6.1.901-2_amd64.deb |
| 22:26.49 | adb | ini /xorg-server/ |
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| 22:27.12 | adb | in* |
| 22:27.23 | enouf | shouldn't the .deb be named correctly? |
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| 22:27.50 | bbelt16ag | why can't I join xbmc |
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| 22:28.53 | adb | hm , dunno .. enouf |
| 22:29.20 | enouf | adb: maybe dpkg appends, knows about eras? and appends it? ,,, hrm |
| 22:29.36 | themill | apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core|grep Filename |
| 22:29.39 | enouf | might be info only packages.gz has? |
| 22:30.08 | enouf | themill: but why then would dpkg -l show ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.1.901-2 Xorg X server - core server |
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| 22:30.30 | enouf | hrm ... ok |
| 22:31.47 | enouf | very good themill - that answers where to find out the real Filename .. indeed - good show - i wonder where the 2: gets appended , and when and by what |
| 22:31.56 | khaije|amalt | is it possible to pin a repo by it's url? |
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| 22:33.15 | dondelelcaro | khaije|amalt: no, but you can pin by just about everything in the release file |
| 22:33.33 | enouf | and WTF is the correct term for that '2:' .. i thought surely it was one of these; era, eon, something-else-i-forget .. |
| 22:33.40 | khaije|amalt | dondelelcaro: k, i'll check that out, thx |
| 22:33.41 | themill | epoch |
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| 22:34.00 | enouf | but dpkgbot knows nothing about it, but i'm sure it's there, i've seen it long time ago |
| 22:34.14 | dondelelcaro | !epoch |
| 22:34.14 | dpkg | from memory, epoch is the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32-bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64-bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the Debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself. |
| 22:34.14 | enouf | aha! |
| 22:34.31 | enouf | somemanaB**CH |
| 22:35.10 | enouf | thank you kind spirits, you've cleared my brainfart ;-) |
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| 22:39.05 | khaije|amalt | dondelelcaro: so i got the release file up on my screen, how do i find the keywords to use in the preferences file? is it the same or translated somehow |
| 22:40.29 | dawda | Ive just installed debian, ms xp is installed also too, I had installed the grub load and now there is only debian I can chose to start, whats going on where is mwindows xp partition??? |
| 22:40.35 | dawda | on my notebook |
| 22:41.14 | valdyn | dawda: if you did not overwrite windows then its still there |
| 22:41.35 | valdyn | dawda: but you probably did explicitely overwrite it as debian installer would detect xp |
| 22:41.42 | themill | khaije|amalt: the output of "apt-cache policy" or the header of the Release file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 22:41.48 | dawda | I dont think that Ive done this |
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| 22:42.16 | dawda | debian killed my windows xp xD |
| 22:42.18 | valdyn | dawda: if you havent you only have to use and adjust the commented out example in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 22:43.44 | dawda | ok I see the xp partition in debian, ok thanks valdyn I have to show |
| 22:44.35 | khaije|amalt | sweet thx themill |
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| 22:44.55 | enouf | update-grub should've seen it and asked you if you wanted an entry added, or atleast asked if it should search for other possible OSes installed |
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| 22:48.17 | dawda | which interface I have to use to login as root? |
| 22:48.57 | adb | none |
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| 22:51.32 | dawda | ok I have problems, dont know how I control my notebook =D I make a new install on windows xp partition debian is just installed, it works great! |
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| 22:53.01 | dawda | omg I ve installed debian on the windows xp partion, now I know wheres my mistake is xD |
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| 22:53.18 | mischief | dawda, :\ |
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| 23:02.11 | jesseboy | is omache here |
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| 23:06.19 | adama_ | !seen omache |
| 23:06.20 | dpkg | adama_: i haven't seen 'omache' |
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| 23:08.38 | jvogel | hi im running debian squeeze 64 bit |
| 23:08.46 | jvogel | and i have all my drives in my system encrypted |
| 23:08.59 | jvogel | one of the sata drive when trying to mont onboot up tells me the super-block is corrupt |
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| 23:09.05 | jvogel | all of a suddeni dont know why |
| 23:09.19 | jvogel | i restarted and it took liek 10 minutes to shutdown |
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| 23:10.34 | Yassine_Tn | Hello. I am using debian and Ubuntu. I would like to configure the tty to have all the white text written in green instead. ( I do not want to change the colors of file and directories, just tge text ). Green is more confortable. Help please ! |
| 23:10.49 | Yassine_Tn | *the text |
| 23:11.46 | jvogel | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11773 |
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| 23:12.25 | Yassine_Tn | Thanks for the link, jvogel ! I will read it. brb. |
| 23:12.40 | jvogel | this occurs after i installed new hdd :| |
| 23:12.44 | jvogel | so it must be detecting wrong hdd |
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| 23:17.52 | jvogel | system is really hanging on shutdown :( |
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| 23:24.46 | AMcBain | Yes, I've searched google quite a bit, and found nothing. Very many installation guides for various software have ways to run them as "unprivileged" users. How do I create one, and give it only access to the /etc or other folders where confs are usually stored? I seriously cannot find a page which just lays this out. |
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| 23:25.40 | AMcBain | I came here, because there might be differences in what is considered "unprivileged" in regards to some things for debian. I have no idea. |
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| 23:27.57 | phogg | AMcBain: I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 23:28.14 | phogg | AMcBain: normally everything runs as unprivileged, meaning not root. |
| 23:29.19 | phogg | Read only access to /etc/ is all an application normally needs and is mostly not restricted. |
| 23:29.34 | AMcBain | oh. that's all it means? I thought I saw references to no shell access and stuff. Or is that only for OS installations with a GUI? |
| 23:30.14 | phogg | AMcBain: I have no idea. A privileged operation traditionally means one that requires you to be root, though these days I suppose it breaks down a little finer into capabilities. |
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| 23:30.28 | AMcBain | phogg: okay, thanks. |
| 23:30.35 | AMcBain | I'll just create a regular user with no sudo capability. |
| 23:30.37 | phogg | AMcBain: may I ask what you are doing? |
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| 23:30.58 | AMcBain | creating an account to set for the unpriv_user with vsFTPd |
| 23:31.57 | phogg | AMcBain: that's different |
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| 23:32.15 | phogg | AMcBain: for the purpose of vsftpd, it wants a user that is not just unprivileged but also isolated |
| 23:32.39 | phogg | AMcBain: any normal user will work, but to be safe you want to lock down the user's environment as much as possible. |
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| 23:33.05 | AMcBain | well, but that's kind of it. I have no idea how to make it "isolated" |
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| 23:34.00 | phogg | AMcBain: having no password and no login shell is a good start. The 'nobody' user is like this. |
| 23:34.22 | AMcBain | oh. so there's already a "nobody" account? |
| 23:34.28 | phogg | or I'm wrong, nobody does have a shell |
| 23:34.47 | phogg | AMcBain: yes, but vsftpd recommends a seperate unprivileged user |
| 23:34.58 | AMcBain | that's why I asked :) |
| 23:35.00 | phogg | so that intruders cannot compromize other things run as nobody |
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| 23:35.15 | phogg | ideally you'd want a user who only has access to a limited chroot or such |
| 23:35.31 | phogg | it depends on how paranoid you are, really |
| 23:35.40 | AMcBain | For FTP? very. :P |
| 23:36.12 | AMcBain | well, I can create a user, but wouldn't the default not be very restricted? I mean, what do I have to do to lock them down? |
| 23:36.18 | phogg | well, ordinary protection is sufficient for most people. If you're on a government network I'd go super-crazy. |
| 23:36.57 | AMcBain | okay. I'll leave it alone then. |
| 23:37.15 | phogg | AMcBain: I am not the best person to ask. I'd say, zero out the password. Give them no home directory. Possibly set the shell to /bin/false |
| 23:37.42 | phogg | That will be good enough for most purposes. |
| 23:37.58 | fas3r | can i see username from an host with tcpdump ? |
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| 23:39.06 | dKingston | question, if I want to remove password authentication completely from SSH, and use only SSH keys, how would I do this? |
| 23:39.13 | phogg | fas3r: depends on what kind of traffic you're dumping, I'd say |
| 23:39.30 | AMcBain | How can I "zero out the password"? I need one to create it ... so this is an after add ordeal? |
| 23:39.43 | phogg | dKingston: set PasswordAuthentication to no |
| 23:39.50 | phogg | dKingston: in sshd_config, I should clarify |
| 23:39.51 | dKingston | ah |
| 23:39.52 | fas3r | phogg: every type of traffic |
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| 23:40.33 | phogg | fas3r: that's a lot of types. I'd say probably some types would reveal user names. |
| 23:41.24 | phogg | fas3r: if you're asking to see what usernames are sending/recieving with just tcpdump output, for all data, then I the answer is that I seriously doubt that you can. |
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| 23:41.57 | phogg | AMcBain: useradd has an option for no password or login not permitted or something |
| 23:42.19 | phogg | AMcBain: if you can't figure it out just edit it out of shadow |
| 23:43.39 | phogg | I remember now why I don't come in here. I never get anything done. |
| 23:44.35 | beardy | Truth. |
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| 23:48.41 | remur_030_v2 | good day, I am running debian on a remote machine, when I try installing cacti it wants to pull apache, even though lighttpd offers httpd already, how can I see why he wants apache? |
| 23:49.45 | maveas | Guys, take a look at http://maveas.pastebin.com/m3061844e |
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| 23:50.15 | maveas | Did this guy do anything else today? I.e. tried something with you guys? |
| 23:50.52 | adb | remur_030_v2: apt-cache show cacti |
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| 23:52.34 | remur_030_v2 | adb: well I know these informations from the debian package webfrontend, it also says any httpd will do |
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| 23:52.51 | Circuitsoft | Hello. |
| 23:53.00 | Circuitsoft | What package should contain the libGL.so for fglrx? |
| 23:53.06 | remur_030_v2 | can I forbid installing apache? |
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| 23:53.20 | remur_030_v2 | Circuitsoft: the binary fglrx itself |
| 23:53.25 | [dynami] | is remastersys still available in debian ? |
| 23:54.07 | zhxk | I've heard that at a time when population of japanese is little because of war, so woman and soldier makes their baby at a random place as long as they met, then gone the soldier and born the baby, and so the name to the japanese baby often with a placename. |
| 23:54.09 | phogg | remur_030_v2: in apt preferences I believe so |
| 23:55.26 | Circuitsoft | remur_030_v2 I have fglrx-driver, fglrx-glx, and fglrx-kernel-src installed. |
| 23:55.34 | Circuitsoft | None seem to have a libGL.so in them. |
| 23:56.22 | adb | Circuitsoft: install and use apt-file to search |
| 23:56.43 | zhxk | Circuitsoft:do you agree? |
| 23:57.01 | adb | zhxk: wrong channel , be quiet please |
| 23:57.06 | fas3r | phogg: no it's for firewalling |
| 23:58.24 | Circuitsoft | I'd rather avoid installing new packages, as my WiFi is down and that computer is on the other end of the house with no ethernet. |
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| 23:59.20 | Circuitsoft | adb: dpkg-query -S says fglrx-glx has a diversion in place, but it points to a non-existant file. |
| 23:59.52 | adb | !fglrx |
| 23:59.52 | Circuitsoft | One idea - purge fglrx-everything, delete /usr/lib/fglrx, then reinstall it all. |
| 23:59.52 | dpkg | fglrx is probably "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:59.56 | Circuitsoft | No idea if it'll work. |
