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| 00:00.49 | Circuitsoft | The X driver loads fine. I get XV acceleration, but no gl. |
| 00:01.30 | dimedo | how can i test filesystem latency? |
| 00:01.39 | [dynami] | is remastersys still available in debian ? |
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| 00:01.50 | adb | no |
| 00:01.59 | abrotman | packages.debian.org would tell you |
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| 00:02.47 | Circuitsoft | adb: The howto in debian wiki lists steps I've already taken. |
| 00:03.11 | Circuitsoft | It just appears that the libGL is either missing or not provided at all for some reason. |
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| 00:06.10 | adb | Circuitsoft: which release you are running? |
| 00:06.21 | Circuitsoft | Lenny |
| 00:06.29 | adb | judd: versions fglrx-glx |
| 00:06.30 | judd | adb: fglrx-glx -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4 squeeze/non-free: 1:9-2-2 sid/non-free: 1:9-5-1 |
| 00:07.00 | adb | Circuitsoft: add non-free to sources list |
| 00:07.24 | Circuitsoft | Um... I have all th packages installed. They are in apt. |
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| 00:08.00 | Circuitsoft | Just, browsing dpkg-query -L fglrx-(various) never lists any actual libGL binaries |
| 00:08.15 | adb | and install fglrx-glx |
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| 00:08.20 | Circuitsoft | done |
| 00:08.27 | adb | fglrx-glx - proprietary libGL for the non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx, r7xx display driver |
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| 00:08.40 | gasull | Hi all. How do I find where's my scanner in /dev/ ? |
| 00:08.40 | Circuitsoft | Just reinstalled it 10 minutes ago. |
| 00:08.56 | Circuitsoft | gasull: SCSI or USB? |
| 00:09.04 | gasull | Circuitsoft: USB |
| 00:09.10 | Circuitsoft | It's not. |
| 00:09.17 | Circuitsoft | Nonetheless, SANE should work. |
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| 00:09.29 | gasull | Circuitsoft: Where is it? XSane is working only as root |
| 00:09.35 | Circuitsoft | Do you have usbdevfs mounted on /proc/bus/usb? |
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| 00:10.01 | Circuitsoft | To make it work non-root, you'll need either some udev rules, or to run saned listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:10.19 | adb | Circuitsoft: dpkg -l fglrx-glx | grep ii , does what ? |
| 00:10.51 | gasull | Circuitsoft: I'm not sure I'm understanding you what I should do |
| 00:11.48 | Circuitsoft | ii fglrx-glx 1:8-12-4 <Description> |
| 00:11.54 | gasull | Circuitsoft: Where and how do I change udev rules or how do I make Sane listen to 127.0.0.1? |
| 00:12.45 | Circuitsoft | gasull: Unfortunately, I haven't done that on Debian (only Gentoo) so I don't know for absolute sure, but check if you have /etc/init.d/saned |
| 00:13.10 | gasull | Circuitsoft: yes I do |
| 00:13.27 | gasull | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 00:13.31 | Circuitsoft | gasull: sudo /etc/init.d/saned start |
| 00:14.04 | Circuitsoft | Can someone else step in here? It's been quite a while since I've done this, and I don't have a machine to explore in front of me. |
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| 00:17.14 | gasull | Circuitsoft: When I run it I get the error "saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned", and this is the content of the file: http://dpaste.com/60274/ |
| 00:17.52 | Circuitsoft | dpkg-query -L fglrx-glx | fgrep libGL gives me |
| 00:17.52 | gasull | Circuitsoft: Should I change it to RUN=yes? |
| 00:18.00 | Circuitsoft | yes |
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| 00:18.09 | gasull | Circuitsoft: thx |
| 00:18.25 | Circuitsoft | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 is diversion to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 |
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| 00:18.47 | Circuitsoft | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 is diversion to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 00:18.53 | Circuitsoft | Nothing else. |
| 00:19.19 | Circuitsoft | And /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 is a broken symlink, while libGL.so.1.2 doesn't exist. |
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| 00:19.34 | aacosta | on the installation its been frozen on 24% retrieving file 798 of 798 for about 20 minutes |
| 00:19.37 | aacosta | is that normal |
| 00:20.00 | aacosta | i was following these instructions |
| 00:20.01 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
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| 00:21.22 | Circuitsoft | aacosta: Which Eee do you have? |
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| 00:22.47 | aacosta | 1000ha |
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| 00:25.39 | gasull | I finally fixed the problem with my scanner with this instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=0e9753de22d79be919ea3d8c0063a96b&p=1657133&postcount=5 , but my bus and number for the scanner change with every reboot. Is there any other fix for this? Thanks. |
| 00:25.47 | jesseboy | If i have a package that won't install and keeps trying when I apt-install something, how do I remove that package from trying to be installed? |
| 00:26.21 | abrotman | why don't you fix the actual problem instead of trying to back it out ? |
| 00:26.50 | gasull | jesseboy: are you missing repos from different distros? |
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| 00:27.52 | aacosta | i guesi might as well just restart |
| 00:27.53 | aacosta | and try again |
| 00:27.54 | aacosta | right |
| 00:28.01 | aacosta | or should it pick back up soon |
| 00:28.10 | gasull | aacosta: safe bet |
| 00:28.15 | aacosta | is there a possibility i create the usb disc incorectly? |
| 00:28.23 | gasull | aacosta: yes |
| 00:28.30 | aacosta | i used |
| 00:28.30 | aacosta | dd |
| 00:28.43 | gasull | aacosta: It might be damaged |
| 00:28.50 | aacosta | dd if=debian-eeepc.img of=/dev/<YOUR-USB-DEVICE> |
| 00:28.50 | aacosta | sync |
| 00:29.12 | aacosta | this us drive has always worked though |
| 00:29.24 | aacosta | it got stuck downloading and installing the base system |
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| 00:31.48 | gasull | aacosta: If I were in your shoes I would try again. If you get the same error, then try to find what's wrong |
| 00:31.49 | romano2k | hi everyone! i'm having a little problem with bind, is there a specific channel or can anyone here help me? |
| 00:32.13 | gasull | romano2k: Fire your question |
| 00:32.55 | adb | Circuitsoft: get your package from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/fglrx-glx |
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| 00:33.58 | romano2k | i have bind running on my debian server with two "classes" so that internal IPs aren't visible from the outside |
| 00:34.23 | romano2k | i'd like to access my home server from the inside with the same url as from the outside |
| 00:34.40 | romano2k | for some reason sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
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| 00:36.22 | Free5 | Hello, im trying to understand the use of input redirection. Why does echo < file.txt, not echo the content. Now I know i can use cat to do that. but again in trying to find out how offen do you use input redirection? |
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| 00:37.04 | aacosta | ok |
| 00:37.07 | aacosta | ill restart |
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| 00:38.04 | romano2k | any idea? |
| 00:38.12 | waltman | svn has been partially broken on testing for 2 1/2 weeks now because of a problem with neon27. Is there any way I can install the new .deb without waiting for it to show up in the testing archives? |
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| 00:39.19 | waltman | Free5: echo echoes its command-line parameters, not standard input. |
| 00:40.27 | waltman | "cat file.txt | bar" is the same as "bar < file.txt". |
| 00:40.27 | fas3r | can i start samba with the command-line net ? |
| 00:40.27 | Free5 | ello, im trying to understand the use of input redirection. Why does echo < file.txt, not echo the content. Now I know i can use cat to do that. but again in trying to find out how offen do you use input redirection? |
| 00:40.32 | Free5 | orry |
| 00:40.59 | Free5 | thanks waltmen |
| 00:41.24 | multi_io | Debian's package updating seems to be non-transactional and thus broken: |
| 00:41.40 | multi_io | you have package A, which depends on package B. |
| 00:42.04 | multi_io | you want to update both of them simultaneously. |
| 00:42.16 | zhxk | http://www.vcdguide.cn/movie/tvfile/cctv9-3.asx |
| 00:42.28 | adb | !ops zhxk spam |
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| 00:42.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: zhxk spam |
| 00:42.39 | waltman | Some people maintain that you never should use cat to do that, but they're just being pedantic. It really doesn't matter. If you've already done "cat file.txt" to view the file, it's much easier to pull it up in your command history and add the piped command after it. |
| 00:42.51 | multi_io | a file F is in package A in your installed version, but was moved to package B in the new versions you want to install. |
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| 00:43.08 | abrotman | zhxk: you've been asked multiple times to keep it on topic. |
| 00:43.09 | multi_io | the update fails. |
| 00:43.44 | multi_io | (when installing B, "trying to overwrite F, which is also in A") |
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| 00:43.55 | multi_io | brokenness! |
| 00:44.20 | multi_io | I think that wouldn't happen with yum, which supports transactional updating. |
| 00:46.28 | romano2k | how is called the function that allows to restrict a bind zone to a portion of the network please? |
| 00:47.52 | abrotman | romano2k: you can create an alias .. and then only allow that alias to query that zone |
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| 00:48.33 | romano2k | abrotman: although i can't remember how the function is called, i can't remember of anything called an "alias" |
| 00:48.48 | romano2k | it was something more like "class" |
| 00:48.56 | xiq | hey, is chrome allready out for linux? |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | yes-ish |
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| 00:51.51 | bbelt16ag | hey pees I failed can't get boxee to install don't know if its crapy code, the x64 thing or what but it won't make complaining about fileysystem |
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| 00:53.07 | neebly | does squeeze come with KDE 3.5 or 4.2? |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | romano2k: create an acl .. then allow only that acl to query ? |
| 00:54.27 | abrotman | romano2k: there is a #dns |
| 00:54.48 | fas3r | why i can create windows registry key with net registry command ? what the purpose ? |
| 00:56.42 | bbelt16ag | guess I will have to use windows to do this.. |
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| 00:58.01 | romano2k | abrotman: acl, that's it. i can't remember where i may have defined them, any idea? |
| 00:58.12 | romano2k | (or i'll go to #dns) |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | named.conf.options ? |
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| 01:00.00 | romano2k | 'was in named.conf.local, thank you very much for your support! |
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| 01:05.28 | zhxk | nice, here again |
| 01:05.39 | faffi | My wifi card used to work fine before, today for some reason when I try to set the essid, it says invalid argument... |
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| 01:09.28 | Circuitsoft | adb: I needed to link libGL.so.1 to libGL.so.1.2 |
| 01:09.47 | Circuitsoft | fglrx only created libGL.so.1.2, not libGL.so.1 or libGL.so |
| 01:10.09 | fas3r | can i use "net" command to configure local server /gateway ? |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | man route ? |
| 01:11.35 | fas3r | abrotman: me ? |
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| 01:13.08 | Sashi | where to get libboost-asio? |
| 01:13.12 | jesseboy | i'm trying ot install hprsm and get these errors: http://pastebin.com/m64c3c7e2 |
| 01:13.19 | jesseboy | anyone help with that? |
| 01:13.24 | jesseboy | why debian can't install it |
| 01:14.01 | adb | hprsm is already the newest version |
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| 01:14.42 | adb | nvm |
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| 01:15.21 | beardy | fas3r: route, or ip, 'man ip' search route |
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| 01:15.28 | jesseboy | the newest version? |
| 01:16.13 | jmarsden | jesseboy: Line 17 is the key: for some reason it can't build its kernel module for your current kernel. You need to discover why that is and correct it, basically. |
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| 01:16.58 | fas3r | beardy: ? ... i just want know the utility of the command "net" on a debian :) |
| 01:17.39 | adb | bash: net: command not found |
| 01:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you talking about the windows "net" command? |
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| 01:18.24 | jmarsden | fas3r: Most likely you mean the SAMBA net command. Type man net and read its manual page |
| 01:18.40 | adb | No manual entry for net |
| 01:18.56 | jmarsden | adb: Then you do not have the SAMBA client installed, I suspect? |
| 01:19.10 | adb | you right ... |
| 01:19.44 | fas3r | jmarsden: yes i did it , it's just i don't understand the utility to import the smb.conf with the command net ... |
| 01:20.04 | fas3r | net conf import ... |
| 01:20.06 | mns | Anyone using virtualbox on debian and have a windows guest os and sharing folders from the debian host with the windows guest ? |
| 01:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone using virtualbox on debian and have a windows guest os and sharing folders from the debian host with the windows guest |
| 01:20.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses virtualbox on debian and have a windows guest os and sharing folders from the debian host with the windows guest, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aren't you sometimes also amazed about the stuff dpkg knows? |
| 01:20.58 | mns | lol |
| 01:21.22 | mamalujo_ | how come dynafont package was diched since etch? swapping charsets in console according to whats actually required for the current screen sounds like a decent hack around the limit of having at most 512 chars in console, better than whats currently done by sellecting a submap of unicode 'globally'? |
| 01:21.26 | mns | dpkg knows everything. |
| 01:21.26 | dpkg | Yes, I do, mns. |
| 01:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 01:21.37 | jmarsden | fas3r: If you have an smb.conf from some other machine you can import it using that command... if you don't need to do that, don't use it :) |
| 01:22.14 | fas3r | jmarsden: ok .. but wyou can't save it :) |
| 01:23.01 | fas3r | jmarsden: no net conf save .. or net conf export ... he need the source file to read it |
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| 01:23.37 | jmarsden | Huh? net conf list will display the current set of parameters... |
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| 01:24.22 | jmarsden | fas3r: And as far as I know net conf import "saves" the import by default. It really does import the information from the file supplied... |
| 01:24.36 | jmarsden | If you can provide an example where it does not do this, file a bug. |
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| 01:27.39 | faffi | im tryin to compile something and im getting this error /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. |
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| 01:29.45 | fas3r | jmarsden: if i import a file he save it in smb.conf ? (like /etc/samba/smb.conf .. default location) ) |
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| 01:30.30 | jmarsden | I'm not 100% sure, but I think so. if not, when you are all done using net conf to modify settings, you can do net conf list >my-new-smb.conf # to get the results as a file. |
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| 01:30.52 | fas3r | because i have import my own file and don't save it in smb.cont .. |
| 01:30.59 | fas3r | he don't* |
| 01:31.16 | jmarsden | OK, but does net conf list show you the imported information? |
| 01:31.27 | fas3r | yes yes |
| 01:31.47 | fas3r | but i'm not sure samba use it .. |
| 01:32.30 | jmarsden | If you added some new shares, try smbclient -L \\localhost or whatever to see if they are there... |
| 01:32.49 | jmarsden | Or just use them from a client machine :) |
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| 01:35.40 | fas3r | jmarsden: look : http://pastebin.com/m762504fb |
| 01:35.48 | fas3r | but i don't acces to my share |
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| 01:36.40 | fas3r | and my smb.conf is empty .. he don't save it .. just keep it in memory .. |
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| 01:37.58 | faffi | Can someone tell me why im missing this file... /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. |
| 01:38.07 | faffi | As far as I know ive downloaded the correct kernel headers |
| 01:38.27 | jmarsden | fas3r: Maybe in some other config database... but why would you play with net conf, NOT save it to a file using net conf list >/etc/samba/smb.conf, and *then* start samba... is this really normal expected behaviour? |
| 01:38.48 | fas3r | jmarsden: because i'm curious :) |
| 01:38.50 | jmarsden | faffi: Are you running as a user with enough privs to create that build directory? |
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| 01:39.24 | faffi | jmarsden: im doing it as root |
| 01:39.24 | jmarsden | fas3r: OK; if this is all "just for fun", then have fun with it :) |
| 01:39.29 | faffi | and that file doesnt exist |
| 01:39.33 | faffi | is that dir |
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| 01:39.38 | faffi | in |
| 01:39.46 | abrotman | faffi: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 01:39.48 | fas3r | jmarsden: come in my matrix :p |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | and your kernel is out of date |
| 01:39.58 | faffi | abrotman: broadcome drivers - more generally a module |
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| 01:40.06 | faffi | oh |
| 01:40.09 | faffi | well thats fail |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | faffi: why are you compiling the broadcom stuff ? |
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| 01:40.25 | faffi | abrotman: i didnt have any luck with the prebuilt debian driver |
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| 01:41.39 | faffi | how would i update to the latest kernel in squeeze |
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| 01:42.09 | seahunter72 | hello all |
| 01:42.59 | project2501a | oh hai |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | faffi: for which device? |
| 01:43.28 | faffi | abrotman: BCM4312 wifi |
| 01:43.37 | seahunter72 | yes ima no0b but can u tell me if there is a debian live cd?? |
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| 01:44.02 | abrotman | faffi: and you tried the b43 with the b43-fwcutter ? |
| 01:44.04 | beardy | !debian live |
| 01:44.04 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 01:44.04 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 01:44.04 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 01:44.41 | seahunter72 | ty |
| 01:45.06 | nsgn | anyone have advice on how to manage a program writing excessively to the messages log file? it's not particularly errors...just way too many messages. its a beta project. how might i cut it from putting gigs of data in messages? |
| 01:45.41 | seahunter72 | ive tried a couple but i cant get my network card to work anyideas?? i have a P6T asus |
| 01:45.51 | faffi | abrotman: yeah i tried it when i first got the laptop, it didnt work |
| 01:46.24 | abrotman | !b43 |
| 01:46.24 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <ndiswrapper> or <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:48.25 | faffi | abrotman: ok, following the wiki again. How do i also upgrade my kernel to the most recent released one for squeeze |
| 01:49.46 | abrotman | faffi: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 01:51.26 | zophy | what packages are the g++ and c++ man pages in ? |
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| 01:52.38 | abrotman | gcc-doc probably what you want |
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| 01:55.33 | ac_slater_ | anyone here using ath5k? |
| 01:55.55 | ac_slater_ | (for atheros chipsets ) |
| 01:56.16 | faffi | abrotman: ya same thing as last time when i tried using b43 drivers, i dont get an interface |
| 01:58.26 | ac_slater_ | im having an issue with my install of debian (lenny... 2.6.26) not recognizing my wifi card with ath5k. |
| 01:58.35 | ac_slater_ | anyone here know anything about ath5k? |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | faffi: but the firmware is installed ? |
| 01:59.09 | faffi | abrotman: indeed it is, ifconfig -a gives me no new interface and dmesg says the driver loaded and no errors |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | anything in dmesg ? |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | does dmesg tell you the device name ? |
| 01:59.32 | faffi | no |
| 01:59.55 | eap | ac_slater_: id used madwifi on my mum's laptop to get it to work |
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| 02:00.22 | ajavid | good evening |
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| 02:00.43 | ac_slater_ | good plan, i was looking foward to REAL atheros drivers ... oh well |
| 02:00.57 | faffi | abrotman: simply that the firmware driver loaded "Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]" |
| 02:01.03 | ac_slater_ | i just swtiched from archlinux, where ath5k worked beautiful |
| 02:01.37 | eap | ac_slater_: me too, im gonna keep trying .. but for now, :( until i get time to work on the driver act myself |
| 02:01.54 | ac_slater_ | nice man, good luck with that |
| 02:01.58 | ac_slater_ | have a good one |
| 02:02.40 | eap | ac_slater_: maybe grab a latest code base / module ?-- if your inclined to do a build, id got it to work partially, but very flaky |
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| 02:03.38 | abrotman | faffi: can you put all of dmesg in a pastebin site ? |
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| 02:04.39 | zophy | the testing repo has all sorts of gcc doc packages, the lenny repo distro has only gcc-3-doc |
| 02:04.41 | zophy | wtf |
| 02:04.57 | abrotman | i told you |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | judd: info gcc-doc --release lenny |
| 02:05.07 | judd | abrotman: gcc-doc (contrib/doc): is optional; Version: 5:2; Size: 2.8k; Installed: 16k -- documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++) |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | notice .. contrib |
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| 02:06.52 | zophy | oh silly me, i only have main in sources.lsit |
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| 02:10.32 | faffi | abrotman: sure, i just tried booting into my new kernel, no gui since i need to recompile my nvidia drivers |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | lovely |
| 02:10.58 | faffi | ya exactly |
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| 02:11.17 | faffi | i hope my wired ethernet doesnt take a crap too, im running off my usb wifi |
| 02:11.39 | faffi | abrotman: the wl driver is what i was using before and random today is started giving me an error when i try setting an essid with it, everything else works fine |
| 02:11.44 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions cgiirc |
| 02:11.44 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: cgiirc -- etch: 0.5.9-2 lenny: 0.5.9-3 sid: 0.5.9-3 squeeze: 0.5.9-3 |
| 02:12.04 | fas3r | how can i list my netfilter modules ? |
| 02:14.39 | faffi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m7ffc37e3 |
| 02:14.53 | faffi | Theres some stuff in there about eth1, thats me testing the wl module to see if it would work |
| 02:15.35 | zhxk | !debian live |
| 02:15.35 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 02:16.38 | faffi | god i wonder what else im gonna break with my kernel upgrade |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | faffi: wtf is bridge-wlan ? are you actually messing with bridging ? |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | faffi: says eth1 is your broadcom |
| 02:17.59 | zophy | why would the gcc-4.3-doc package be in non-free ? |
| 02:18.08 | zophy | just wondering.. |
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| 02:19.02 | faffi | abrotman: wlan0 is my rt73 usb card, its how i currently have internet :) ya eth1 is normally my broadcome, thats the wl module that picked it up, when i rmmod wl and modprobe b43 i get no eth1, when i have wl, it gives me eth1 |
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| 02:19.29 | abrotman | faffi: dmesg says it already exists |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | faffi: like 665 |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | line |
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| 02:20.40 | faffi | abrotman: i think thats from when the wl module got autoloaded cause of my /etc/modules |
| 02:20.55 | faffi | i can test it my loading it and seeing if its the same format |
| 02:21.04 | abrotman | but you're in a different kernel .. you didn't even compile the wl module for that kernel |
| 02:21.35 | faffi | abrotman: i had to boot to my old kernel to get my gui :/ |
| 02:21.55 | faffi | im saving the nvidia recompilation steps right now so i can do it from console when i reboot again |
| 02:22.01 | faffi | and it is wl, i just got the same output [ 808.509812] eth1: Broadcom BCM4315 802.11 Wireless Controller 5.10.27.14 |
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| 02:24.19 | jesseboy | can you download and install only debian etch |
| 02:24.22 | jesseboy | and not make it update |
| 02:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell zophy -about gcc-doc |
| 02:24.58 | abrotman | jesseboy: sure, but why would you? |
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| 02:25.46 | mischief | anyone know if you can do flowcharts in openoffice.org ? |
| 02:25.49 | eviltux | Back |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | mischief: i'm sure you can .. or use dia |
| 02:27.32 | mischief | abrotman, trying to avoid dia, i already have oo.o installed :p |
| 02:27.42 | jesseboy | because hp wrote the software for debian 4.0 etch |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | what's wrong with dia ? |
| 02:27.54 | jesseboy | for all there array configurations and lights out management |
| 02:28.35 | mischief | abrotman, because if i can use oo.o it's one less thing i have to install |
| 02:28.50 | abrotman | but that's kind of what dia is made for ? |
| 02:29.06 | mischief | sure, but why not use software i already have? |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | sure .. use the wrong tool for the job .. what could go wrong :) |
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| 02:30.22 | jesseboy | https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/try.do?productNumber=T8570AAE |
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| 02:31.05 | jesseboy | it's all etch |
| 02:31.12 | jesseboy | so i feeel I should match what they designed it for |
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| 02:33.47 | sarguruuu | helllo |
| 02:34.03 | sarguruuu | anyone familiar with shorewall with squid |
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| 02:35.34 | Blackhold | hello |
| 02:35.46 | Blackhold | just tried to install a debian testing from daily sources |
| 02:35.52 | Blackhold | and could not end the installation |
| 02:36.11 | Blackhold | it spent lot of time to download last packages |
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| 02:36.48 | faffi | abrotman: ok im in my new kernel, reinstalled nvidia modules |
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| 02:37.13 | abrotman | and nothing about b43 ? |
| 02:37.51 | sarguruuu | ??? |
| 02:37.53 | sarguruuu | anyone familiar with shorewall with squid |
| 02:38.51 | Jorophose | hi guys, I'm working on a laptop, trying to get it to connect to an AP. I'm pretty sure I'm failing at the IP-acquisition level. Could you guys please point me in the right direction? What are some steps to follow, commands to use, mans to read? |
| 02:39.31 | faffi | abrotman: nothing at all |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | can you paste dmesg again ? |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | faffi: and also `lspci -nnk` |
| 02:40.26 | faffi | want me to paste the wifi card info here? |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | in paste.debian.net |
| 02:40.37 | faffi | ok |
| 02:40.56 | faffi | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/40373/ |
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| 02:41.41 | abrotman | faffi: you might want to try the kernel from backports.org |
| 02:42.08 | faffi | abrotman: i just compiled the bcm source since the -2 reversion of the kernl had the correct headers, i have an eth1 interface now |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:42.35 | faffi | hope it works, something iwconfig just takes a dump and refuses to set any arguments you give it |
| 02:42.38 | faffi | drives me insane |
| 02:42.53 | abrotman | that's probably more the broadcom driver i'd guess |
| 02:42.57 | faffi | probably |
| 02:43.06 | faffi | but what i really dont understand is why the b43 drivers dont work |
| 02:43.23 | abrotman | faffi: that's why i said about the .29 kernel |
| 02:43.26 | faffi | and what confuses me even more is that this JUST started happening |
| 02:43.31 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 02:43.33 | judd | abrotman: [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 |
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| 02:43.39 | abrotman | awesome |
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| 02:44.01 | faffi | abrotman: should i just upgrade to a .29 kernel |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | so the .29 that is in backports.org would probably work |
| 02:44.12 | faffi | ok, wiki or link to a guide? |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | backports.org .. read the instructions |
| 02:44.50 | faffi | i already have a backports repo, which one do i want to get it from |
| 02:44.59 | faffi | well i supposed its only lenny.. |
| 02:45.45 | faffi | abrotman: linux-image-686 from backports right |
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| 02:47.15 | Jorophose | hi guys, I think I've found my problem. Where can I go to find out if a driver is in the kernel? I need this driver: "adm8211" but I don't want to have to compile. |
| 02:47.48 | Jorophose | nevermind, found the wiki page =) |
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| 02:48.14 | abrotman | faffi: no, it's a specific name .. like linux-image-2.6.29-1-bpo-686 .. or something like that |
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| 02:49.02 | faffi | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 - that look right? |
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| 02:50.20 | abrotman | yep |
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| 02:50.57 | faffi | ok rebooting again |
| 02:51.02 | faffi | lol, and compiling nvidia's again |
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| 02:54.55 | multi_io | where is nfs-user-server gone? |
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| 02:56.23 | faffi_ | abrotman: my screen session has too many windows to view nicely from console, im trying to install my new nvidia modules now and none of the header packages seem to want to work |
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| 02:56.50 | faffi_ | "Depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable" |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | faffi_: there's no linux-headers for the .29 ? |
| 02:57.00 | faffi_ | the package is there, it wont install it |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | so try to install that ? |
| 02:57.40 | faffi_ | abrotman: I did, it only exists for 2.6.26 |
| 02:57.52 | abrotman | oh that's just crap |
| 02:58.19 | faffi_ | ok, i found 2.6.29 in the lenny backports |
| 02:58.27 | faffi_ | except is has no installation candidate |
| 02:58.27 | faffi_ | haha |
| 02:58.54 | n3kl | Does anyone know why munin-node hangs forever on install at initializing plugins? |
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| 02:59.47 | faffi_ | abrotman: next plan of attack? lol |
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| 03:00.54 | multi_io | is anyone here running an NFS server under Debian? If so, do you use the kernel server or the userspace server? |
| 03:01.11 | n3kl | depends on what you need it for |
| 03:01.18 | abrotman | faffi_: it seems like you need at least that kerenl, or whatever route you were going |
| 03:03.52 | faffi_ | abrotman: i found the -common headers dont need the kbuild package |
| 03:03.58 | faffi_ | i'll see if that will suffice |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:04.16 | faffi_ | nope, that sucks |
| 03:04.44 | faffi_ | it wants the -686 package for the headers |
| 03:04.47 | faffi_ | which depends on kbuild |
| 03:04.50 | faffi_ | which isnt out |
| 03:04.51 | faffi_ | fail |
| 03:04.52 | multi_io | n3kl: I was asking the other people in this channel, not myself :-P |
| 03:05.07 | faffi_ | god damn it |
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| 03:05.23 | n3kl | multi_io: use kernel server unless you have another reason |
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| 03:07.37 | multi_io | n3kl: I've been using the user server for the last several years without problems, until today the client mount suddenly fails with "mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'myserver' failed: RPC Error: Success" (!) |
| 03:09.29 | multi_io | I did not change anything on the server, but I did update nfs-common on the client |
| 03:10.58 | n3kl | is portmap running? |
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| 03:11.36 | faffi | abrotman: i have an eth1 device now with the wl module except i cant give it any damn arguments and when i try using wpa supplicant which worked perfectly fine in the past i get ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Invalid argument |
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| 03:11.45 | multi_io | wireshark trace says the server sent a RPC packet saying "Accept State: remote can't support version # (2)" |
| 03:11.49 | multi_io | n3kl: yes |
| 03:12.01 | abrotman | faffi: i don't know anything about that driver |
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| 03:12.22 | multi_io | the port resolution (NFS => 2049) succeeds. |
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| 03:12.33 | n3kl | multi_io: sounds like you know the problem then. Can you do rpcinfo -p remoteserer from teh client |
| 03:12.33 | faffi | abrotman: ok, i guess my best bet is to get the regular one working then |
| 03:13.19 | multi_io | !paste |
| 03:13.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 03:14.02 | multi_io | n3kl: http://paste.debian.net/40374/ |
| 03:14.51 | multi_io | version # 2 of NFS? Does it mean that? |
| 03:15.04 | n3kl | Beats me dood. Restart all the services on teh client, since thats whats changed. or specify ver=3 or soemthing in the mount options |
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| 03:29.21 | newbieNC | hello folks, having some trouble installing lenny 5.01 |
| 03:29.23 | newbieNC | The graghical installer installed the system with KDE and it seems to want to boot but the monitor stops and says the signal is out of range. I assume that the Sapphire ATI HD4670 |
| 03:29.24 | newbieNC | graphics card was detected and the fglrx driver was installed. There is an empty fglrx-install.log file at the root. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? |
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| 03:29.58 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 03:30.41 | mODYe| | newbieNC, no sorry |
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| 03:40.45 | LONGCAT | Where does /usr/bin/getopt come from? |
| 03:41.23 | multi_io | you mean what package it belongs to? |
| 03:41.45 | LONGCAT | That's a start, but where it's compiled from is what I want to know |
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| 03:45.50 | multi_io | package name can be found using dpkg -S /usr/bin/getopt |
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| 03:46.28 | multi_io | corresponding source package name probably with apt-cache showsrc <packagename> |
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| 03:47.22 | LONGCAT | Hmmm yes... thanks multi_io |
| 03:47.35 | multi_io | for fetching the source package, apt-get source <sourcepackagename> |
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| 03:48.44 | LONGCAT | I found some program that uses /usr/bin/getopt's long option which Solaris doesnt have so I will see how it's done on the linux side |
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| 03:50.26 | hugo | hi |
| 03:50.27 | ramish | Hi all... anyone have an eeepc 901 and know how to get the damn wireless toggling working? |
| 03:51.31 | Rusty1 | http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/Getopt.html >> LONGCAT FWIW |
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| 03:52.45 | hugo | is anybody running your own server running on debian? i'm thinking to have my own server to which i release my own services |
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| 03:55.35 | hugo | things i would like to ask are: a) what kind of machine are you running. b) stable/testing/unstable? c) do you have your own .deb servers? d) recommendations for machine |
| 03:55.41 | asdfsdf | http://www.my-first-time-naked.net/?id=9378357 |
| 03:57.04 | hugo | i'm thinking having my own package distribution server is a must because packages on debian repo are usually a little bit old |
| 03:57.31 | hugo | and i like living with bleeding edges |
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| 03:59.36 | wip | hi all, tonight i have an huge administrator task: apt-get dist-upgrade! because i don't know why, but it seems that my server is etch, but repo are lenny... |
| 03:59.56 | cantido | hugo: sid |
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| 04:02.38 | wip | this is the packages that need to be upgraded: http://pastebin.com/m3ac3f4e2 |
| 04:02.42 | wip | how dangerous it is? |
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| 04:03.21 | wip | i mean, it's a server for web, smtp, imap, ftp, db |
| 04:03.21 | cantido | wip: You might want to watch out if you're accessing the machine over ssh |
| 04:03.30 | wip | cantido: good advice |
| 04:03.45 | wip | cantido: i should ask my isp for a kvm-ip... |
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| 04:04.18 | cantido | wip: usually ssh won't get restarted on an upgrade.. but the libc upgrade will ask you what services to restart.. which will probaby include ssh |
| 04:04.34 | cantido | *probably |
| 04:04.35 | LONGCAT | Yes! I found where the origin of that getopt really is. http://software.frodo.looijaard.name/getopt/download.php. Thanks for helping. |
| 04:04.49 | LONGCAT | Would have been a much harder road |
| 04:04.52 | wip | cantido: thank you very, anything else that might get me into trouble? |
| 04:05.13 | LONGCAT | (It said so in the utils-linux package for which dpkg found) |
| 04:05.45 | cantido | LONGCAT: you can use apt-file, or packages.debian.org to find out where a file comes from. |
| 04:06.01 | cantido | wip: I would upgrade a few bits at a time to be honest |
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| 04:07.01 | hugo | cantido: sometimes i use software even sid does not have. |
| 04:07.13 | cantido | hugo: setup a local repo then |
| 04:07.32 | hugo | cantido: yes, that's what i'm thinking now. |
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| 04:08.15 | cantido | hugo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 04:08.25 | cantido | only in English I think thought |
| 04:08.28 | cantido | though |
| 04:08.34 | hugo | cantido: thanks. that's okay |
| 04:09.30 | hugo | do you have any recommendations for my own server? |
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| 04:09.44 | cantido | hugo: to serve the files? |
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| 04:10.15 | hugo | cantido: no, my apps. mostly would be web apps. |
| 04:10.23 | wip | cantido: how can i do that. cause right now if i try let's say: apt-get upgrade i have the message: The following packages have been kept back: (huge list) |
| 04:10.36 | cantido | hugo: web apps .. php, python, groovy...? |
| 04:11.10 | cantido | wip: the held back ones are upgrades that depend on new packages IIRC, use aptitude install |
| 04:11.22 | cantido | wip: the curses interface will give you more of a heads up |
| 04:11.38 | wip | cantido: nice, again thank you |
| 04:11.47 | hugo | cantido: what i'm thinkig now is c, c++, python, php, sometims perl. but i doubt this would affect what kind of box i should choose |
| 04:12.26 | hugo | and maybe with java. |
| 04:12.50 | cantido | hugo: php, python, perl should work inside apache, php and perl will worse as CGI's for everything else. not sure about python |
| 04:13.06 | cantido | hugo: with java, you'll want an application server like tomcat or glassfish |
| 04:13.36 | hugo | cantido: well, what i was asking was hardware, not software |
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| 04:14.06 | cantido | hugo: depends on the amount of work your code is doing, the amount of users etc.. |
| 04:15.39 | hugo | cantido: i'm sure it won't be so poplar ;) want to have a cost-effective one |
| 04:16.17 | hugo | i thought i could find many guys running debian servers here. |
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| 04:17.44 | hugo | cantido: are you running your own debian boxes exposed to the internet? |
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| 04:17.45 | cantido_ | oops |
| 04:17.45 | AussieGuy | hi, my ssh install on a new debian 5 VPS is contiouslly banning my IP, (adding it to /etc/ssh/hosts.deny). The only way im getting around it is connecting from another IP hoping that one doesnt get banned. How do I stop it banning my IP? |
| 04:17.56 | AussieGuy | every time I remove it from hosts.deny, it gets back there on the next logout |
| 04:18.00 | cantido_ | AussieGuy: you probably have denyhosts or fail2ban installed |
| 04:18.45 | cantido_ | hugo: It's hard to spec out a server without knowing the application/expectations.. for a shitty webserver any old hardware will do |
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| 04:23.08 | hugo | cantido_: does not matter. they should be trivial works. electricity costs is the only thing i care |
| 04:23.09 | Jorophose | hi guys. trying to access wifi with a 802.11b device over pmcia, tried running wicd, it's just not getting an IP address (that's where it fails). what am I doing wrong?? |
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| 04:23.21 | cantido_ | hugo: get a small atom machine then |
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| 04:26.51 | ramish | Jorophose: did you try reseting the router? I had an older router that didnt like new nics |
| 04:27.13 | Jorophose | I'll have to try it. Is there anything else I should look into? |
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| 04:27.53 | cantido_ | Jorophose: check for association messages in dmesg |
| 04:27.57 | Jorophose | I had windows on this laptop, was connecting fine yesterday. I'm thinking it's because the router notices it's different and doesn't like it |
| 04:28.02 | ThatGuy | Hi People, I have a server running Debian Etch with ethtool installed for WAL. When i shutdown the server the NIC light is off. Would this indicate the WAL setting is not enabled in the BIOS? |
| 04:28.04 | Jorophose | after running wicd? |
| 04:28.13 | ramish | maybe iwconfig <device> essid any |
| 04:28.23 | aacosta | i just installed debian on my eeepc |
| 04:28.32 | ramish | i run the ath5k drivers on this comp and they seem to require that |
| 04:28.33 | aacosta | how do i go about getting the wireless to work? |
| 04:28.40 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 04:28.44 | aacosta | im following that guide |
| 04:28.46 | cantido | aacosta: did you you read it? |
| 04:28.50 | aacosta | yes |
| 04:29.04 | Jorophose | mm, I'll try your tips out. Thanks guys, and sorry for being so... bursting? D= |
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| 04:29.12 | cantido | aacosta: It does say how to make the wireless work from what I remember |
| 04:29.17 | aacosta | yeah |
| 04:29.19 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 04:29.24 | aacosta | but i guess im kinda stuck |
| 04:29.32 | ramish | aacosta: i have the 901 20g |
| 04:29.39 | ramish | wireless works on boot |
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| 04:29.44 | cantido | aacosta: what are you getting stuck with? |
| 04:29.48 | aacosta | i have the 1000ha |
| 04:29.56 | ThatGuy | Hi People, I have a server running Debian Etch with ethtool installed for WL. When i shutdown the server the NIC light is off. Would this indicate the WOL setting is not enabled in the BIOS? |
| 04:30.00 | ThatGuy | 8WOL |
| 04:30.03 | ThatGuy | *WOL |
| 04:30.07 | ramish | but i cant get toggling and wireless on resume frim suspend to work |
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| 04:30.27 | aacosta | there are several methods explain on the guide |
| 04:30.58 | ramish | aacosta: set up /etc/network/interfaces and it should work on boot at least |
| 04:31.15 | cantido | ThatGuy: I think the link light stays on with my machines .. Xseries and SunFire |
| 04:31.24 | aacosta | it says the simplest way is to use ath5k with the backport to Lenny of the 2.6.29 kerne |
| 04:31.28 | aacosta | thts waht it says copy past |
| 04:31.36 | aacosta | ok let me edit the network interfaces |
| 04:31.55 | cantido | Does ath5k work in 2.6.26? |
| 04:32.06 | ramish | cantido: yes |
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| 04:32.27 | ThatGuy | cantido: Thanks, according to ethtool by server (its headless) has WOL enabled however no NIC lightw when powered off. I'm just trying to determine if its worth persueing, happy to for a software issue |
| 04:32.29 | cantido | I think it was a bit ropey on the aspire .. |
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| 04:33.11 | aacosta | how do i add my username to one of the sudoers |
| 04:33.19 | blouf | sudovi |
| 04:33.22 | cantido | ThatGuy: mmm I'm not sure if it counts for all nics.. back in the day you had to wire up that WOL wire so that the card could get access to standby power |
| 04:33.24 | ramish | cantido: I run the ath5k on a desktop and never switch essids... but for what i need on this machine it works great |
| 04:34.23 | ThatGuy | cantido. Thanks, its an onboard NIC (modified Thecus N5200 running Debian) may need to hit the Hexus groups |
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| 04:35.21 | cantido | ramish: the misses floats around all over the place with an aspire one and it was a bit weird with 2.6.26 I think, like needing reboots to get it working... fine with 2.6.30, even the activity light works :) |
| 04:36.11 | cantido | ThatGuy: maybe that nas wiki place has some clues :) |
| 04:36.57 | aacosta | how do i set up my network interfaces |
| 04:37.00 | sunru | i got a hp5735 with debian loaded on it. |
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| 04:38.39 | sunru | shweet http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP :D |
| 04:39.54 | hattst | hi, my usb mic isn't working. I'm very sure that I've set the signal strength okay and all (e.g., I can do alsamixer -c 1 and it shows me my mic's name.. that's all dandy).. going to audacity, playback is set to "alsa nvidia" and mic to "alsa: al5370" but when I click record, I get this: "Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate." |
| 04:40.02 | hattst | any idea what the problem could be? :x |
| 04:40.15 | ramish | cantido: ive never needed a reboot, however i am aware that it is buggy |
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| 04:40.49 | ramish | cantido: just glad i can get wifi for atheros out of standard repos now :) |
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| 04:41.06 | cantido | ramish: both ath5k and ath9k used to crash when the chipset got hot.. seems to be resolved now :) |
| 04:41.18 | aacosta | mmm |
| 04:41.46 | cantido | ramish: well, it's about time vendors helped to get their hardware supported and openly |
| 04:42.04 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Upgrade#A2.6.29UpgradeIssues.2BAC8-tips |
| 04:42.09 | aacosta | are those the instructions i should follow? |
| 04:42.24 | ramish | aacosta: for what? |
| 04:43.00 | aacosta | for getting wireless on my eeepc |
| 04:43.13 | aacosta | i just did a fresh install of debian |
| 04:43.28 | sunru | cantido: heh, i nearly fainted when I plugged in this in, http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/DVBTDualExpress.aspx and it worked out of the box (sid :) |
| 04:43.29 | aacosta | becasue i was trying for days with xubuntu and got the wieles working only one day and then it stoped working agin |
| 04:44.11 | aacosta | p-] |
| 04:44.13 | cantido | sunru: DVB stuff is well supported.. probably because of all the cable boxes running linux |
| 04:44.16 | aacosta | sorry my cat |
| 04:44.17 | ramish | aacosta: if your eeepc runs atheros it should be supported out of the box with the (buggy) ath5k driver, or optionally through the madwifi package |
| 04:44.25 | sunru | motogp was awesome on my new debian box :) |
| 04:44.29 | aacosta | i believe it is |
| 04:44.36 | aacosta | it was detected in the installation |
| 04:44.45 | aacosta | and it can see my networks |
| 04:44.49 | aacosta | but it doesnt conect |
| 04:45.02 | aacosta | even though i set it to not have any security right now |
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| 04:45.06 | aacosta | just to see if the ee would conec |
| 04:45.07 | cantido | aacosta: can you check whats happening in dmesg? |
| 04:45.18 | sunru | cantido: yeh alot is supported that I need now. |
| 04:45.29 | cantido | aacosta: check that the NIC is actually getting connected to the AP |
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| 04:46.27 | aacosta | what line would that be in? |
| 04:46.39 | ramish | hahaha |
| 04:46.54 | ramish | aacosta: try pinging the router |
| 04:47.07 | cantido | ath7: associate with AP 00:02:8a:2e:9b:bf |
| 04:47.11 | cantido | stuff like that |
| 04:47.26 | aacosta | it conects wired |
| 04:47.30 | aacosta | its jsut the wireless |
| 04:47.48 | cantido | aacosta: totally different hardware |
| 04:48.31 | aacosta | yeah |
| 04:49.09 | aacosta | is there an opttion for dmesg that will give me what im looking for |
| 04:49.26 | cantido | aacosta: most of the issues I've seen with "my wireless ain't getting an ip" is that the nic hasn't actually managed to connect to the AP |
| 04:49.41 | aacosta | i guess thats probably it |
| 04:49.57 | cantido | aacosta: If you try connecting, it'll be the last messages... |
| 04:50.53 | aacosta | ath0: links becomes ready |
| 04:51.07 | aacosta | ath0: no ipv6 routers present |
| 04:51.28 | aacosta | so i need to go into network/interfaces and put the ip for m router |
| 04:51.38 | ramish | aacosta: 1) reset router 2) ifconfig ath0 down or ifconfig wlan0 down 3) iwconfig ath0 essid any or iwconfig wlan0 essid any 4) dhclient ath0 or dhclient wlan0 |
| 04:51.47 | ramish | aacosta: no |
| 04:52.12 | cantido | aacosta: nope |
| 04:52.12 | aacosta | just turn the router off then on |
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| 04:52.29 | cantido | ramish: he should have association messages.. even if the AP is busted |
| 04:52.31 | aacosta | acpi error method parse execution failed |
| 04:52.49 | gasull | Hi all. I'm trying to configure ssh using public key. This is the error I get: http://dpaste.com/60330/ . It seems it tries RSA instead of DSA. How can I fix it? Thank you. |
| 04:53.08 | ramish | aacosta: ooops forgot before 3 ... ifconfig <device> up |
| 04:53.11 | ramish | :) |
| 04:54.37 | ramish | aacosta: too much bushmills for me |
| 04:54.48 | aacosta | haha |
| 04:54.56 | aacosta | ok let me try that |
| 04:56.16 | aacosta | my device is ath0 right |
| 04:56.16 | ramish | cantido: do you know anything about the ralink devices |
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| 04:56.25 | ramish | aacosta:look |
| 04:56.41 | ramish | aacosta: iwconfig |
| 04:56.51 | ramish | aacosta: or ifconfig |
| 04:57.37 | aacosta | bash ifconfig not found |
| 04:57.41 | aacosta | thats tripped out |
| 04:57.45 | cantido | ramish: most of them just work |
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| 04:57.48 | cantido | aacosta: root? |
| 04:57.51 | ramish | aacosta: sudo ifconfig |
| 04:58.03 | cantido | ramish: if he has sudo installed... |
| 04:58.06 | Alam_Lenny | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:58.09 | aacosta | oh |
| 04:58.10 | aacosta | ok |
| 04:58.17 | aacosta | yeah sorry n00bie |
| 04:58.20 | cantido | ramish: and configured.. which isn't the case by default |
| 04:58.44 | ramish | cantido: i just got my 901 and i cant get the toggling to work |
| 04:58.58 | cantido | ramish: rf switch? |
| 04:58.59 | ramish | cantido: or the wireless backup after suspend |
| 04:59.01 | amse | Hi all! |
| 04:59.06 | aacosta | hi |
| 04:59.19 | h3xis | gasull: in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, try setting RSAAuthentication to no and see what happens |
| 04:59.41 | aacosta | so what do i do with ifconfig |
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| 04:59.58 | hanibana | hi all |
| 05:00.08 | amse | i'm looking for a spanish debian channel |
| 05:00.11 | cantido | ramish: dunno about the switch, they all seem busted. With suspend, just make sure the module is unloaded and re-loaded |
| 05:00.16 | amse | please, can someone help me? |
| 05:00.18 | adb | @es |
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| 05:00.23 | adb | !es |
| 05:00.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:00.36 | hanibana | has anyone experience with installing Lustre FS on Debian Lenny? |
| 05:00.39 | amse | OK, thanks a lot |
| 05:00.46 | adb | np |
| 05:00.54 | ramish | cantido: ive checked to make sure rt2860sta is loaded on resume |
| 05:01.05 | cantido | aacosta: in this case, iwconfig is going to be the most useful too |
| 05:01.08 | cantido | aacosta: tool |
| 05:01.31 | hanibana | My installation procedure does not get me the ldiskfs module.... |
| 05:01.54 | cantido | aacosta: if you just run iwconfig as root, it should tell you what state your wireless configuration is in |
| 05:02.16 | cantido | hanibana: is in an in-kernel module? |
| 05:03.12 | aacosta | ath0 ieee802.11g essid:"" nickname:"" |
| 05:03.42 | aacosta | lo nowireless conections |
| 05:03.48 | aacosta | eth0 no wireless conections |
| 05:03.56 | aacosta | wifi0 the same |
| 05:03.57 | cantido | aacosta: iwlist ath0 scan |
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| 05:04.15 | cantido | aacosta: do you see your target AP in the results? |
| 05:04.49 | aacosta | i dont think so |
| 05:04.53 | cantido | ramish: is it unloaded before suspend? |
| 05:04.59 | cantido | aacosta: do you get any results? |
| 05:05.27 | aacosta | access point not-aossiciated |
| 05:05.55 | amse | aacosta: can u scan with that card? |
| 05:05.59 | cantido | aacosta: yes, it won't be associated if you haven't configured it... run iwlist ath0 scan |
| 05:06.00 | aacosta | yeah |
| 05:06.04 | aacosta | iwlist gives me the networks |
| 05:06.09 | cantido | aacosta: does it have your AP? |
| 05:06.09 | ramish | cantido: that im not sure of,,, ill read through suspend.sh and if not attempt to add |
| 05:06.21 | aacosta | i dont think so |
| 05:06.23 | amse | well |
| 05:06.37 | aacosta | whats AP |
| 05:06.38 | cantido | aacosta: does it have any APs? |
| 05:06.40 | aacosta | access point |
| 05:06.45 | cantido | aacosta: yes |
| 05:06.47 | aacosta | yeah |
| 05:06.51 | aacosta | i can see my home network |
| 05:07.12 | ramish | aacosta: dude just run dhclient ath0 and see what happens |
| 05:07.15 | cantido | aacosta: iwconfig ath0 essid <your essid here> |
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| 05:07.34 | cantido | ramish: the card isn't associated.. wtf would that gain? |
| 05:07.50 | amse | aacosta: is the router MAC filter activated? |
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| 05:08.09 | aacosta | i dont think so |
| 05:08.37 | amse | i dont think so too, but check that |
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| 05:08.54 | aacosta | how do i do that |
| 05:08.58 | aacosta | logint o the router |
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| 05:09.07 | cantido | aacosta: first of all, try associating... |
| 05:09.08 | amse | go to the router configuration page |
| 05:09.13 | amse | yep |
| 05:09.13 | ramish | cantido: not sure.... i assumed if you specified iwconfig <device> essid any .... dhclient would attempt to connect to any open networks within range |
| 05:09.16 | LiraNuna | how do I manually package a deb package? |
| 05:09.17 | cantido | bang head on desk |
| 05:09.17 | amse | listen to cantido |
| 05:09.31 | cantido | LiraNuna: from scratch? |
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| 05:09.51 | LiraNuna | no, I got data.tar.gz control.tar.gz and debian-version |
| 05:09.52 | amse | well, really, i am new in the conversation xD |
| 05:09.56 | aacosta | what would it be under |
| 05:09.59 | aacosta | its a netgear router |
| 05:10.04 | LiraNuna | ar -rc produces an invalid archive |
| 05:10.11 | hanibana_ | sorry friends... |
| 05:10.12 | cantido | LiraNuna: so rebuild a package? dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 05:10.16 | hanibana_ | I was disconnected.. |
| 05:10.27 | adb | hanibana_: what's 'SendQ exceeded' ? |
| 05:10.36 | sunru | haha |
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| 05:10.45 | sunru | debhelper: hello |
| 05:10.50 | sunru | !apt-get |
| 05:10.50 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for <apt>. See also <aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
| 05:11.01 | gasull | Seriously nobody can help me with this ssh error? http://dpaste.com/60330/ |
| 05:11.05 | sunru | awesome all I need! |
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| 05:11.14 | aacosta | NAT filtering is set to secured |
| 05:11.17 | hanibana_ | adb: I don't know , whats that?! |
| 05:11.20 | sunru | ignores everyone in #debian except debhelper. |
| 05:11.22 | cantido | aacosta: as root, iwconfig ath0 essid <your network name>, then run iwconfig again and see if anything has changed |
| 05:11.28 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.44 | LiraNuna | cantido, I just want to package data.tar.gz control.tar.gz and debian-version into a .deb |
| 05:11.53 | sunru | !apt-config |
| 05:11.56 | sunru | !apt-configure |
| 05:12.57 | dondelelcaro | LiraNuna: so use dpkg-deb, though that's kind of a silly way to build a .deb |
| 05:13.06 | amse | which is your wifi card? |
| 05:13.07 | adb | sunru: tell sunru about selftell |
| 05:13.10 | LiraNuna | I don't have source, dondelelcaro |
| 05:13.14 | aacosta | no DHCPOFFERS received |
| 05:13.15 | dondelelcaro | LiraNuna: so? |
| 05:13.20 | aacosta | no working laerses in persisten daabase |
| 05:13.22 | aacosta | sleeping |
| 05:13.40 | dondelelcaro | LiraNuna: it's not like you have to compile anything to turn an orig.tar.gz+diff.gz into a binary package |
| 05:14.00 | LiraNuna | it's my first time creating a .deb package, be gentle with me :( |
| 05:14.13 | amse | there are a few cards which aren't supported by the kernel |
| 05:14.15 | aacosta | nothings changed |
| 05:14.21 | cantido | LiraNuna: how did your get those files in the first place? |
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| 05:14.32 | aacosta | i wanted to give debian a try hoping wireless would work :| |
| 05:14.40 | aacosta | i know probably by tonight itll work right |
| 05:14.40 | amse | i.e. mine, a Broadcom card |
| 05:14.41 | sunru | adb: I crashed her. |
| 05:14.42 | sunru | :( |
| 05:14.44 | hanibana_ | adb: the fact is : I am from Iran, and recently the government has applied very stirct web filtering; even its difficult or impossible to use Yahoo messegeer and IRC... !! Now I'm using a IRC web client instead of my desktop messenger. |
| 05:14.47 | aacosta | just gotta try out al this different stuff |
| 05:14.50 | LiraNuna | cantido, I'm trying to package an apache module |
| 05:14.55 | adb | sunru: Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 05:15.26 | dondelelcaro | LiraNuna: which module? |
| 05:15.27 | adb | hanibana_: i see ... |
| 05:15.40 | LiraNuna | dondelelcaro, mod_antiloris |
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| 05:15.59 | cantido | oh, that slowloris "exploit" |
| 05:16.12 | LiraNuna | yeah, DoS |
| 05:16.18 | LiraNuna | I want to package it for other people |
| 05:16.24 | cantido | well, its tarpitting really |
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| 05:16.40 | hanibana_ | any way... my question was about installing Lustre file system on Lenny and building its ldiskfs module. |
| 05:16.45 | LiraNuna | it still hurts, cantido |
| 05:16.52 | hanibana_ | any one have had any experience? |
| 05:16.59 | LiraNuna | cantido, http://www.liranuna.com/securing-your-debian-server-against-slowloris/ |
| 05:17.12 | LiraNuna | I just thought it'd be nice if I could supply a .deb |
| 05:17.22 | cantido | LiraNuna: it doesn't work against load balanced setups though :) |
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| 05:17.41 | LiraNuna | cantido, not everyone have server farms with load balancers |
| 05:17.58 | hattst | hi. It seems that after every restart, I have to go to 'keyboard preferences' > layouts > layout options > layout switching > and check off and then on 'scrolllock key changes group' -- is this a bug? why doesn't it remember? it does show whatever I checked last (i.e., scrollbar lock was the checked option.. but it wasn't reacting to it until I checked it off and then on once) |
| 05:18.24 | cantido | LiraNuna: anyhow.. according to your guide, you do have the source.. |
| 05:18.35 | LiraNuna | cantido, yes, but it's built in a weird way |
| 05:19.04 | LiraNuna | i.e no makefile or configure |
| 05:19.19 | cantido | LiraNuna: you should be able to handle that inside debian/rules.. |
| 05:19.43 | LiraNuna | cantido, my first time packaging a .deb.. |
| 05:20.07 | LiraNuna | I did some research and the format looked easy enough, so I tried it |
| 05:20.37 | LiraNuna | wikipedia said it's an ar archive, but ar -rc doesn't satisfy dpkg |
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| 05:21.35 | cantido | Did you take a look at the new maintainers guide? You could knock up a makefile get a package built pretty easily |
| 05:21.51 | LiraNuna | obviously not |
| 05:22.05 | LiraNuna | so a makefile is required? |
| 05:22.18 | LiraNuna | what about control scripts? to reload apache afterwards |
| 05:22.50 | cantido | LiraNuna: I would dissect an existing apache module package |
| 05:22.59 | LiraNuna | already got one |
| 05:23.03 | LiraNuna | I got the control scripts |
| 05:23.16 | LiraNuna | which is why I tried building a deb from "scratch" |
| 05:24.18 | cantido | LiraNuna: you dissected the binary not the source though? |
| 05:24.27 | LiraNuna | yes |
| 05:24.53 | LiraNuna | ar -rc data.tar.gz control.tar.gz debian-version |
| 05:25.05 | LiraNuna | err I'm sorry - ar -rc test.deb data.tar.gz control.tar.gz debian-version |
| 05:25.13 | cantido | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ - that page explains how packages are built |
| 05:26.07 | cantido | then maybe apt-get source <some apache module>, to find out how maintainers are adding in the Debian bits, like the a2enmod stuffage |
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| 05:27.44 | LiraNuna | cantido, you mean the post install/rm scripts? |
| 05:28.45 | dondelelcaro | LiraNuna: so put the binary bits in a tarball, call it libapache2-mod-bar_x.y.z.orig.tar.gz; untar it, add the debian/{control,changelog,rules} to describe the package and install the binary bits in the appropriate parts |
| 05:29.01 | dondelelcaro | LiraNuna: then add your postinst/postrm scripts to call a2enmod and a2dismod as appropraite |
| 05:29.21 | cantido | dondelelcaro: it should really have the config snippet and stuff.. |
| 05:29.43 | LiraNuna | what about the .load file for apache |
| 05:29.48 | cantido | and that |
| 05:30.05 | LiraNuna | I already got data.tar.gz and control.tagz |
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| 05:31.34 | LiraNuna | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) // wikipedia says it's an ar archive |
| 05:31.41 | LiraNuna | ar -rc ... just won't work |
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| 05:32.18 | hugo | cantido_: i think atom is too slow |
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| 05:33.29 | cantido | hugo: mmmm I used a 1.6ghz atom machine for testing a big Spring based application, it was quick enough for that. Memory is an issue though, most Atom boards are limited to 2GB |
| 05:34.38 | cantido | LiraNuna: apt-get source libapache2-mod-removeip .. that has all the bits you'd need to create your package |
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| 05:34.53 | hugo | cantido: is atom so cost effective compared to the lowest xeon quad core? |
| 05:35.22 | cantido | hugo: xeon quad core is going to eat a shit load more electricity |
| 05:35.50 | aacosta | yo cantido im back |
| 05:36.00 | aacosta | you have an eeepc to right |
| 05:36.22 | hugo | cantido: hmm, guess i should learn much on this. and probably here's not for that kind of talk. |
| 05:36.40 | cantido | aacosta: I have an aspire, which if you have an atom based eeepc it's basically the same thing |
| 05:37.04 | aacosta | yeah |
| 05:37.10 | aacosta | i have that one |
| 05:37.14 | cantido | hugo: if you want a lower power machine with build in UPS you could always get a junk laptop :) |
| 05:37.22 | aacosta | was it super difficult fo rthe wireless to start working |
| 05:37.33 | cantido | aacosta: it works now? |
| 05:37.51 | aacosta | no |
| 05:37.52 | aacosta | i wish |
| 05:37.57 | aacosta | haha that would be so cool |
| 05:38.05 | aacosta | i go to the store to buy a blunt wrap |
| 05:38.20 | aacosta | and i come back and my computer fixes it self |
| 05:38.34 | cantido | weirder things have happened |
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| 05:39.07 | cantido | LiraNuna: package done here :) |
| 05:39.13 | LiraNuna | cantido, bleh |
| 05:39.29 | LiraNuna | cantido, because you know what you are doing |
| 05:39.36 | LiraNuna | I've never packaged before :( |
| 05:40.12 | cantido | LiraNuna: run through the new mainter guide, everything makes a lot more sense then |
| 05:40.45 | hugo | cantido: yeah i did it before with junk ibook |
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| 05:41.50 | Skapare | what is the option for the tar command to make it include named sockets in backups? |
| 05:42.10 | Skapare | tar: var/spool/postfix/dev/log: socket ignored |
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| 05:44.07 | aacosta | so these instuctions should make it work |
| 05:44.26 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 05:44.55 | LiraNuna | cantido, is data.tar.gz the orig.tar.gz? |
| 05:45.54 | cantido | LiraNuna: from the binary package? data.tar.gz would be the files to be installed, control.tar.gz would be all the metadata for dpkg |
| 05:46.26 | LiraNuna | cantido, yeah I know that, but what is orig.tar.gz? |
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| 05:47.50 | cantido | LiraNuna: the original source, before it was debian-ised |
| 05:47.59 | LiraNuna | I see |
| 05:50.04 | cantido | LiraNuna: I can send you the source for this package I a moment.. just going to test it actually works |
| 05:50.10 | cantido | in a moment |
| 05:50.50 | LiraNuna | that'll teach me nothing |
| 05:52.05 | aacosta | i tried the method i linked earlier |
| 05:52.07 | aacosta | and i got |
| 05:52.20 | aacosta | no cvalid opnPGP |
| 05:53.05 | Skapare | looks like Debian's tar command is broken |
| 05:53.21 | aacosta | what should i do |
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| 05:59.37 | rrva | how to prevent laptop screen brightness being reduced after a while when I am watching movies? |
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| 06:01.53 | cahoot | rrva: modify the powersaving options? |
| 06:03.27 | rrva | gnome power management prefs "dim display when idle" is not checked |
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| 06:06.13 | Skapare | anyone know the option for the tar command to make it include named sockets in backups? |
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| 06:11.31 | aacosta | However, probably the simplest way to use ath5k with Lenny is to use a backport to Lenny of the 2.6.29 kernel in Sid which now works with AR242x. See ../Upgrade#A2.6.29UpgradeIssues.2BAC8-tips. This is what we now recommend. |
| 06:11.37 | aacosta | i wish i t was simpler |
| 06:11.46 | aacosta | anyone have another method? |
| 06:12.04 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Upgrade#A2.6.29UpgradeIssues.2BAC8-tips |
| 06:13.53 | redstick | aacosta, thats the best way i know of |
| 06:14.15 | aacosta | when i tried it earlier |
| 06:14.17 | aacosta | it didnt work |
| 06:14.20 | aacosta | it gave me an error |
| 06:15.11 | aacosta | wget -q -O http://backports.undebian.org/repositories/backports-kernel/archive-key.asc | apt-key add - |
| 06:15.15 | aacosta | wheni do that |
| 06:15.32 | aacosta | it says gpg: no valid openPGP found |
| 06:15.44 | aacosta | openPGP data |
| 06:16.21 | aacosta | got any tips red stick? |
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| 06:18.07 | amine | hello, if I want to put a script I created so that all users on my server can access it (and that it is in path), where would I place it? I'm guessing it's either /usr/bin or /usr/sbin but I do not know the difference |
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| 06:18.38 | sylarr | anyone know how to debug automounting in gnome? |
| 06:19.13 | ajavid | amine, /usr/local/bin sounds good |
| 06:20.23 | amine | ajavid: cool, thanks. Why are there many different bin directories? |
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| 06:24.45 | sylarr | who is in charge of automounting in gnome,here in debian? |
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| 06:24.56 | hugo | cantido: do you know some channel to ask about such questions? |
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| 06:25.20 | gum2tux | besides, ssh or openssh to remote control to linux system, what other alternate way -- if i just to reboot remote linux machine ? |
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| 06:25.33 | gum2tux | i usually use PuTTY (on windows) to logon remote linux machine, and to a restart whether it have problem to run certain services. |
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| 06:25.45 | gum2tux | but the machine often no responding using PuTTY access it, even though ping to the remote linux has respond. |
| 06:26.20 | MuederJoe | DCC SEND from Bawstarski [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [17592186044415MB bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 06:26.27 | MuederJoe | lol :D |
| 06:27.10 | charitwo | MuederJoe: please don't paste that |
| 06:27.50 | nalioth | MuederJoe: don't you have time stamps? |
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| 06:28.21 | cahoot | MB bytes? |
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| 06:32.43 | MuederJoe | nalioth: it was yesterday 18:21 |
| 06:33.08 | hattst | hi. It seems that after every restart I have to go to keyboard preferences > layouts > layout options > layout switching > and check off and then on 'scrolllock key changes group' to attain layout switching functionality.. it doesn't remember it when I set a key for it.. (after a shutdown) -- is this a bug? why doesn't it remember? it does show whatever I checked last though (i.e., scrollbar lock was showed as the the checked o |
| 06:33.09 | hattst | ption.. but it wasn't reacting to it until I checked it off and then on once again) |
| 06:33.44 | hattst | s/showed/shown/ :) |
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| 06:33.58 | nalioth | MuederJoe: yes, it was. please don't bother us with things over an hour or so old (the staff usually takes care of thsoe jokers within seconds) |
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| 06:58.57 | powertool08 | Is anyone available to aid in an ati driver install for a 9600xt. I want to build the package from the installer but the --buildpkg command fails |
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| 07:59.09 | powertool08 | Anyone around? |
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| 08:01.46 | mathbr | Hi. Is anyone else unable to print since a few days? CUPS tells me that it got an "Unsupported format âapplication/postscriptâ" in its error log. |
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| 08:01.49 | hanibana | hi all |
| 08:01.55 | sylarr | gnomebaker give me :-( unable to open64("/dev/sr0",O_RDONLY): Permission denied |
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| 08:03.59 | hanibana | my debian lenny boot screen gets dark when booting, it dies with an error about NO_REBOOT flag and "reboot disabled by hardware" and after that every thing wipes out :( |
| 08:04.03 | basilikum | sylarr: are you a member of the cdrom group? |
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| 08:04.19 | sylarr | basilikum, yes |
| 08:04.19 | pyrohotdog | So I got dual heads cloned worked as soon as I plugged in the monitor, but how do I make it a separate screen? |
| 08:04.47 | basilikum | sylarr: what permission does /dev/sr0 have? |
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| 08:05.06 | hanibana | can I gain any detailed info about this error in some log file by using a live CD ? |
| 08:05.26 | sylarr | basilikum, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-06-27 10:37 /dev/sr0 -> scd0 |
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| 08:05.46 | hanibana | It's pretty weird, i have no solution :( |
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| 08:06.10 | basilikum | sylarr: that's a symbolic link, the real permissions are of /dev/scd0 |
| 08:06.37 | sylarr | basilikum, brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2009-06-27 10:37 /dev/scd0 |
| 08:07.17 | basilikum | sylarr: well, as member of cdrom, you have to be able to use scd0... :( |
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| 08:07.45 | powertool08 | pyrohotdog: Install the drivers for your card from the repo's, or the manufacturers website |
| 08:07.49 | hanibana | any idea? |
| 08:08.31 | basilikum | sylarr: did you try with another burning program? xcdroast or k3b if you're a gui person, wodim from command line? |
| 08:08.54 | powertool08 | pyrohotdog: I have an ati card and the driver is fglrx for my card and config is done with amdccc (catalyst control center), don't know anything about nvidia's setup though |
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| 08:10.16 | basilikum | hanibana: can you post the kernel crash log somewhere? assuming that's what it is... |
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| 08:10.49 | sylarr | basilikum, no, I haven't tried another program yet |
| 08:11.26 | basilikum | hanibana: or try another, newer kernel, if you have new(?) hardware |
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| 08:12.19 | hanibana | basilikum: what log? error messages when booting? or /var/log/messages .... the system does Not boot up, it freezes. |
| 08:12.21 | basilikum | sylarr: you don't even need to burn a cd, reading the atip info (with an inserted cd) should be enough to check if it can access it |
| 08:12.48 | basilikum | hanibana: yes, error messages when booting |
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| 08:13.37 | sylarr | basilikum, I don't want to brick my media |
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| 08:13.51 | sylarr | basilikum, I am trying to chown the symlink |
| 08:13.57 | sylarr | basilikum, but it doesn't chage |
| 08:14.53 | mathbr | Alright, got it now. Thanks to http://www.cups.org/str.php?L1663 I found that the package ghostscript-cups was not installed (anymore?). Installed, works now. |
| 08:14.58 | basilikum1 | sylarr: leave the link alone, better put a cd in and try: wodim -atip /dev/scd0 |
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| 08:15.27 | mathbr | Bye |
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| 08:15.41 | hanibana | basilikum: as I said it before, the last message that appears to be an error is about "NO_REBOOT flag" and this message: "reboot disabled by hardware" and then the screen instantly gets dark! |
| 08:17.31 | hanibana | after that I don't know what happens. |
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| 08:17.32 | basilikum1 | hanibana: i read what you said, but that's not enough info... what comes before that is important (make sure the kernel doesn't boot with the quiet argument to see anything on the screen). btw, what hardware is that? |
| 08:17.51 | hanibana | basilikum1: ok, HP DL380 G5 |
| 08:18.27 | basilikum1 | hanibana: never heard of that, is that a normal pc or laptop? |
| 08:18.36 | hanibana | basilikum1: I 'm going to test a new kernel image and initrd. good point. |
| 08:18.44 | sylarr | basilikum, http://pastebin.com/m4e308eed |
| 08:18.46 | hanibana | basilikum1: No :) an HP Proliant server |
| 08:19.05 | basilikum1 | in awe at hanibana's hardware |
| 08:19.44 | basilikum1 | hanibana: if installing lenny, you could try kmuto's images... |
| 08:20.13 | hanibana | basilikum1: the hardware is not problem; I have several of such servers with debian lenny.... |
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| 08:20.43 | hanibana | basilikum1: what's that kmuto thing?! |
| 08:21.27 | hanibana | I am going to test... |
| 08:21.28 | basilikum1 | sylarr: that doesn't say much... try burning something, maybe gnome baker is confused (make sure you are really in the cdrom group) |
| 08:21.43 | basilikum1 | !tell hanibana about kmuto |
| 08:22.07 | sylarr | basilikum, I opened gnomebaker as root and burned it |
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| 08:22.33 | sylarr | basilikum, so it is permissions problem |
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| 08:22.41 | basilikum1 | hanibana: kmuto is a DD that makes lenny installers with newer kernels |
| 08:22.41 | sylarr | and I am at the cdrom group |
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| 08:23.45 | basilikum1 | sylarr: sorry, no idea... other than trying with another burning program (or take a look in /var/log/messages) |
| 08:24.28 | sylarr | basilikum, in root terminal I have cdrom grops (groups sylar), but in my ownt erminal I don't get cdrom group :/ |
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| 08:24.34 | basilikum1 | sylarr: command line programs such as wodim are the best at diagnosing such things... |
| 08:25.09 | basilikum1 | sylarr: you normal user account needs to be in cdrom, not root |
| 08:25.41 | basilikum1 | sylarr: adduser <your-normal-user-name> cdrom |
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| 08:26.09 | basilikum1 | sylarr: (as root, of course, and then logoff and login again as user to see the change) |
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| 08:28.30 | basilikum1 | sylarr: btw, root doesn't need to in the cdrom group |
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| 08:57.28 | micro_ulaelable | How do i make gnome not automatically use a usb wifi adapter that i plug in? |
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| 08:59.05 | quitte | micro_ulaelable: you could get rid of network-manager-gnome entirely. but network manager ignores devices that are configured in network/interfaces |
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| 08:59.56 | micro_ulaelable | ah |
| 09:00.20 | micro_ulaelable | okay because i am trying to use the device in virtualbox and it wont let me if it's already in use |
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| 09:05.09 | Gruelius | Hi all, is there a way to get the apt sources setup wizard like the one at the installer? |
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| 09:22.11 | JosefAssad | hm, bit of wpa_supplicant trouble. Does debian look in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf if I'm going the /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown way? |
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| 09:23.32 | JosefAssad | wpa_supplicant seems to get started alright but I think I'm not authenticating |
| 09:25.27 | JosefAssad | the /etc/network/interfaces lines look like this: http://pastebin.com/m3fee187d |
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| 09:27.55 | pigeta | hi |
| 09:28.18 | pigeta | to detect a usb disk after login how i have to do? |
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| 09:29.33 | NicoOOoOo | yop ;) |
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| 09:30.42 | hamsand | hi all |
| 09:30.50 | hamsand | i need libsocks5 to compile xchat with --enable-socks |
| 09:30.57 | hamsand | but http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages told me that debian does not have any libsocks5 packages |
| 09:31.05 | hamsand | where can i get libsocks5? where do debian's xchat maintainers get libsocks5 from? |
| 09:31.15 | hamsand | please tell me |
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| 09:38.24 | micro_ulaelable | what is a .bundle |
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| 09:39.34 | hamsand | micro_ulaelable: lets do "$ file *.bundle" i think it is a shell script |
| 09:39.55 | micro_ulaelable | oh that makes sense |
| 09:40.47 | micro_ulaelable | VMware-Workstation-6.5.1-126130.i386.bundle: a bash script text executable |
| 09:40.49 | micro_ulaelable | okay |
| 09:40.53 | micro_ulaelable | now how do i run it |
| 09:41.33 | hamsand | just do it : ) |
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| 09:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !socks5 |
| 09:41.46 | dpkg | methinks socks5 is at http://www.socks.nec.com/. a pain in the butt to download |
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| 09:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, gone |
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| 09:43.11 | hamsand | i searched by google, and found the 1st socks5 developer http://www.socks.permeo.com/ and http://www.socks.nec.com/. but this link is broken... |
| 09:43.52 | hamsand | these links are broken. what libsocks5 do xchat developers use to compile xchat? |
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| 09:48.37 | quitte | hamsand: you could look at the build dependencies of the source package. for example on packages.debian.org |
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| 09:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's compiled without |
| 09:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and seems for good reasons |
| 09:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it wouldn't be in the build-deps |
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| 09:52.37 | hamsand | quitte: what you said means that i should use "$ apt-cache depends xchat"? i could not find libsocks5 or substituting goods... |
| 09:53.35 | hamsand | CutMeOwnThroat: you could tell me that more? debian's xchat was compiled without libsocks5? |
| 09:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that's what you said? |
| 09:54.30 | quitte | hamsand: no. I couldn't find a way to figure out the build dependencies myself. so i'd either apt-get source it and look at debian/control or go to packages.debian.org |
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| 09:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's simple - apt-cache showsrc xchat |grep epend |
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| 09:56.19 | quitte | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 09:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "<hamsand> i need libsocks5 to compile xchat with --enable-socks" |
| 09:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | if xchat in Debian was compiled with socks5 support, you wouldn't need to compile it yourself, no? |
| 09:56.59 | hamsand | http://pastebin.com/d78cbb01b |
| 09:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need to pastebin that - we all get the same |
| 09:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the build dependencies |
| 09:57.49 | hamsand | in fact, Debian choosed to compile xchat without --enable-socks5? |
| 09:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno |
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| 09:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it is enabled - why would you want to recompile xchat? |
| 09:58.24 | hamsand | chose |
| 09:58.52 | hamsand | just i want to use xchat with socks5 proxies |
| 09:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that doesn't work with the packaged xchat? |
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| 10:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --enable-python --enable-ipv6 --disable-mmx --enable-openssl --enable-tcl=/usr/lib/tcl8.4 --enable-dbus --disable-rpath |
| 10:01.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the actual configure run for lenny-xchat |
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| 10:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as the default is no - no, it is indeed not linked with a socks5 library |
| 10:01.43 | hamsand | no i cannot use debian-lenny's xchat with socks5 proxies : ( |
| 10:02.13 | quitte | hamsand: but now you know almost everything to rebuild the debian package |
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| 10:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I also don't think there is a socks5 library as a package in Debian |
| 10:03.02 | hamsand | i tried debian-lenny's xchat just now. |
| 10:03.11 | quitte | libsocksd0-dev |
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| 10:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hamsand, you should use tsocks or something like it |
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| 10:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache show tsocks" |
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| 10:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | prophet |
| 10:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mountain |
| 10:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | which one do you wanna move |
| 10:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | also look at connect-proxy |
| 10:05.49 | hamsand | oh they look good, i will try them. thank you |
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| 10:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rule 51... nobody ever states the real problem |
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| 10:12.32 | quitte | is there a canonical list? |
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| 10:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Rules_Of_The_Internet |
| 10:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually you can discard most of them as being lame and made by lamers |
| 10:14.46 | quitte | there must be a rule for that, too |
| 10:15.10 | chuckkh | I had to reinstall, but I have a slow connection and don't want to redownload all the packages I had installed, so I backed up the .deb files on a hard drive; actually I backed up most of the system; now I've copied the .deb files back to /var/cache/apt/archive/ but how can I convince apt that those are the same files listed in the packages, install them, and have the installed packages match apt's records? |
| 10:15.27 | doff | who can explain why the result of the following commands is different? |
| 10:15.27 | doff | ls -l /etc/passwd /etc/hosts err1 err1 >llog 2>&1 |
| 10:15.27 | doff | ls -l /etc/passwd /etc/hosts err1 err1 >llog 2>llog |
| 10:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | quitte, well, I (obviously) go with Terry Pratchett there... |
| 10:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | quitte, other person: what do you think the rules are for?!?! me: I think they are for other people |
| 10:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuckkh, apt-get/aptitude autmatically picks these if they match the ones on the server |
| 10:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | doff, #bash? :) |
| 10:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 2nd one only shows the output meant for stderr? |
| 10:18.37 | chuckkh | CutMeOwnThroat: so maybe I select them all to be installed in synaptic, and it just installs without downloading? |
| 10:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | chuckkh, that's how it should go |
| 10:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | (except if there's newer versions on the server) |
| 10:19.04 | chuckkh | CutMeOwnThroat: well-designed system, thanky |
| 10:19.39 | chuckkh | CutMeOwnThroat: oh there's one thing, though, I only have dial-up here and afaik wvdial isn't installed, so I can't even check for packages on the server |
| 10:19.53 | chuckkh | (it's a different box than this one) |
| 10:19.54 | chuckkh | let me see... |
| 10:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, sun is rising |
| 10:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | bedtime |
| 10:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | still gotta walk home, annoying |
| 10:21.28 | doff | CutMeOwnThroat, yep bash. no 2nd shows STDOUT too. but only 1 line of STDERR instead of 2 lines and after STDOUT (in 1st command STDERR goes before STDOUT) try it |
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| 10:35.51 | cemunal | can somebody help me to install Urban Teror on Lenny? |
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| 10:39.29 | tuxnani | how to create a deb package |
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| 10:39.33 | tuxnani | i have some glade and python scripts , how to make deb package out of these? |
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| 10:45.45 | nan8 | tuxnani: for the python specific part you might wish to read http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/index.html |
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| 10:47.05 | nan8 | tuxnani: the wiki also has a short intro: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 10:47.29 | nan8 | tuxnani: it should also include the links to the details |
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| 10:58.56 | chuckkh | I need more details. I copied a slew of .deb files as well as the package.bin files from my backup, but if I apt-get install synaptic, which is there in deb form and in the packages.bin file, it finds no candidate |
| 10:59.11 | chuckkh | how can I convince apt that these packages are on the local machine and just to install them? |
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| 11:02.10 | Pricey | chuckkh: dpkg -i ? |
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| 11:03.16 | chuckkh | Pricey: will apt know about the packages being installed in that case? |
| 11:03.48 | chuckkh | I didn't use it because I was afraid apt wouldn't register them, but now that I think of it when I've installed manually assembled .deb files with dpkg -i they showed up in synaptic... |
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| 11:04.33 | Pricey | chuckkh: Yep apt will know about them and calculate further dependencies on them. However dpkg doesn't do dependencies, so you'llhave to make sure to satisfy them by dpkg'ing in order, or apt afterwards. |
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| 11:07.34 | chuckkh | Pricey: okay, sounds good |
| 11:07.49 | chuckkh | first one to get is wvdial, then I can connect and run all the apt stuff I need |
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| 11:08.16 | chuckkh | I went to the backup archive folder and ran dpkg -i -EG ./*.deb, it seems to be working ok |
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| 11:12.01 | sattam | hi , whats the major difference between ubuntu server , and debian ? |
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| 11:12.46 | nkuttler | sattam: debian has the better support channel |
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| 11:14.19 | sattam | nkuttler: /j #ubuntu , and see which is more active ? |
| 11:14.40 | nkuttler | sattam: hang out here and see how many ubuntu users come here for help because their channel can't help them... |
| 11:14.57 | lvh | sattam: what nkuttler said |
| 11:15.03 | lvh | sattam: also, more noise != more helpful |
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| 11:16.11 | sattam | lvh: so debian server has something ubuntu dosn't ? |
| 11:16.32 | lvh | sattam: Where did I say that? |
| 11:16.47 | lvh | sattam: I was comparing #debian v #ubuntu |
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| 11:17.09 | lvh | sattam: Anyway, I use debian everywhere, and I wouldn't use ubuntu for servers, mainly because Ubuntu and me don't agree on what 'stable' means |
| 11:17.24 | lvh | sattam: That's an entirely subjective reason, feel free to ignore it. |
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| 11:17.39 | amimusa | hello, i need a big and urgent help. I have crashed the server I manage due to a permissions mistake. I am trying to restore it, comparing with other server. Both run with great debian. I get one permission error on the web due to sessions. cheking my right persmission i see in /var/lib/php5 there is drwx-wx-wt and it's firt time i see 't' flag, don't know how to set to the broken system. please i need help i will appreciate so |
| 11:17.40 | amimusa | much any kind of commnent. thanks in advance |
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| 11:17.55 | sattam | lvh: ok , |
| 11:18.10 | sattam | hate fedora :@ |
| 11:18.26 | nkuttler | amimusa: t is sticky, man chmod |
| 11:18.41 | lvh | amimusa: t shouldn't matter for sesions really, but I don't use php so idk. |
| 11:19.01 | nkuttler | amimusa: you might want to pastebin the errors you get |
| 11:19.02 | amimusa | what sticky means ? |
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| 11:19.43 | nkuttler | amimusa: man chmod |
| 11:19.58 | nkuttler | amimusa: shouldn't matter though, my dir has the same permissions |
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| 11:22.55 | amimusa | http://pastebin.com/m2738da4 |
| 11:23.03 | amimusa | thanks for all ur comments dudes |
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| 11:26.26 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 11:26.47 | eptalon | is there anything better to copy over a number of files that using rsync? |
| 11:26.57 | sattam | i think SELinux is more powerfull , but i hear someone said its not work well on debian , |
| 11:26.58 | eptalon | (I dont care for cpu usage) |
| 11:26.59 | nkuttler | amimusa: check what /usr/share/phpmyadmin/index.php is trying to access at line 14, fix permissions for that. which dir is the permissions paste? |
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| 11:27.17 | nkuttler | eptalon: define better |
| 11:27.56 | eptalon | nkuttler: 800-odd GB from an internal RAID array to an external HDD connected through USB. |
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| 11:28.20 | eptalon | nkuttler: Its a once only operation. |
| 11:28.28 | nkuttler | eptalon: um, does the array box have an usb port? |
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| 11:28.44 | eptalon | nkuttler: it does. |
| 11:28.48 | nkuttler | cp? |
| 11:29.26 | eptalon | nkuttler: 800gb takes ages to copy; I don't want to restart if I interrupt. |
| 11:29.26 | nkuttler | or take the hd out of the enclosure and put it into the box? |
| 11:29.43 | nkuttler | eptalon: cp has something like --no-overwrite or somesuch |
| 11:29.44 | eptalon | nkuttler: meaning e-sata? |
| 11:29.46 | amimusa | / free the session file, for the other frames to be loaded |
| 11:29.46 | amimusa | session_write_close(); |
| 11:29.52 | amimusa | it's related to session files |
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| 11:30.43 | eptalon | nkuttler: that box has usb, fw800 and esata ports; unforunately I have neither e-sata, nor fw cards in the raid box. |
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| 11:31.39 | eptalon | nkuttler: its about halfway through the syncing, has been running all morning. |
| 11:31.43 | amimusa | how could i set sticky mode ? |
| 11:31.48 | amimusa | i can't see in man chmod |
| 11:32.05 | eptalon | amimusa: +s, |
| 11:32.17 | nkuttler | eptalon: honestly no idea |
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| 11:33.03 | nkuttler | http is pretty fast though |
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| 11:34.36 | amimusa | 's' flaf is set, not 't' flag |
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| 11:35.28 | nkuttler | amimusa: purging all of php and reinstalling might help |
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| 11:36.12 | amimusa | ls -l |
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| 11:38.51 | sattam | do i nead php , or openssh to make home web server ? |
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| 11:39.20 | nkuttler | sattam: apache2 is a good start |
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| 11:39.51 | amimusa | nkuttler, i feel fear to crash ir more lol |
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| 11:41.30 | aoresin | I have a big problem with xorg: it always worked fine, but since a couple of days it hangs as soon as I start a program. The system is responsive to other events (acpi, network), but Xorg is dead, always. |
| 11:41.58 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
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| 11:42.14 | tuxcrafter | how can i make a virtual disk with virtual partions to do some testing |
| 11:42.17 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d7e19c110 |
| 11:42.18 | dutchfish | aoresin, did you check dmesg, syslog and Xorg0log ? |
| 11:43.18 | aoresin | dutchfish: yes, but found nothing useful :( |
| 11:44.33 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, somehting like qemu-img create debian.img 2G ? |
| 11:45.05 | tuxcrafter | nono not a virtual emulation stuff |
| 11:45.12 | tuxcrafter | just plain linux losesetup stuff |
| 11:45.19 | tuxcrafter | like in the pastbin link |
| 11:45.22 | dutchfish | aoresin, you mean through lvm2 then? |
| 11:45.50 | aoresin | dutchfish: lvm2? |
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| 11:46.07 | dutchfish | aoresin, and what about chroot? |
| 11:46.19 | dutchfish | !lvm |
| 11:46.20 | dpkg | hmm... lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:47.00 | aoresin | I don't see how lvm or chroot could be related to my problem... |
| 11:47.03 | dutchfish | aoresin, or explain more precise what you trying to achive |
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| 11:47.52 | slavsun | how to find out all address' which was leased by dhcp3 server ? |
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| 11:48.04 | aoresin | I think your're confising me with tuxcrafter :) |
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| 11:48.25 | dutchfish | aoresin, sorry yes |
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| 11:49.13 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, what i see from your pastebin is that you only loop mount a diskfile, what you want to do? |
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| 11:50.57 | dutchfish | aoresin, about freezing X, did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 11:51.23 | dutchfish | aoresin, and what debian version are you using? |
| 11:51.38 | tuxcrafter | dutchfish: i want a diskfile to become a disk with partions |
| 11:51.42 | tuxcrafter | partitions |
| 11:51.54 | tuxcrafter | so if possbible... |
| 11:52.01 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, for thta delve into lvm2 |
| 11:52.08 | dutchfish | s/thta/that |
| 11:52.18 | dutchfish | yes quiet possible |
| 11:52.29 | tuxcrafter | not what to use lvm2 |
| 11:52.34 | tuxcrafter | that does not fit my usecase |
| 11:52.36 | din_os | hello can anyone help me with compiling the win32-loader? compiler says it can't find the /Templates/all.nsh file |
| 11:52.56 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, then go with qemu tools to virtualize diskfiles |
| 11:53.02 | tuxcrafter | dutchfish: i want the diskfile to have 2 partitions so i can do some automated resize2fs tests |
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| 11:53.37 | tuxcrafter | dutchfish: is is not possible to use losesetup ? |
| 11:53.38 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, with static diskfiles this is possible |
| 11:53.48 | dutchfish | tux_, nope |
| 11:54.03 | tuxcrafter | what are static diskfiles? |
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| 11:54.29 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, ones that dont expand when more space is needed |
| 11:54.43 | Frank77 | hi. what can i do with webDAV other than mounting the folder? |
| 11:54.43 | tuxcrafter | that is not an issue |
| 11:54.48 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, like qcow ones |
| 11:55.00 | tuxcrafter | quemu again |
| 11:55.38 | dutchfish | at least the qemutools yes, but you no bound to qemu itself you can use them also if you want kvm as an example |
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| 11:56.27 | dutchfish | with the qemutools you can setup the virtula disk system to your likings |
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| 11:57.15 | nan8 | tuxcrafter: dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.raw bs=4096 count=1000 fdisk ./disk.raw |
| 11:57.18 | dutchfish | tuxcrafter, examples: http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
| 11:57.29 | nan8 | tuxcrafter: no need to use the qemu tools |
| 11:57.40 | nan8 | tuxcrafter: you can - but you don't have to |
| 11:57.42 | dutchfish | nan8, he want 2 partition table sin it |
| 11:57.54 | mikexcr | qemu is bad, very bad |
| 11:57.55 | dutchfish | na8right |
| 11:57.58 | mikexcr | kvm better |
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| 11:58.17 | dutchfish | qemutools is what i was talking not qemu itself |
| 11:58.29 | nan8 | dutchfish: 2 partitions - or 2 partition tables? |
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| 11:58.40 | dutchfish | 2 tbles |
| 11:58.50 | nan8 | dutchfish: ah! |
| 11:59.02 | nan8 | dutchfish: another option is to use losetup and dm setup |
| 11:59.03 | humbolt | what can I use to find out, which app is causing all this disk IO? |
| 11:59.10 | dutchfish | i know it can be done, but not by losetup |
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| 11:59.20 | nan8 | dutchfish: losetup => you have a device |
| 11:59.29 | nan8 | dutchfish: dmsetup => you can make 2 devices out of one |
| 11:59.31 | dutchfish | nan8, yup |
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| 11:59.56 | nan8 | but why the hell one wants two partition tables in one disk image? |
| 12:00.03 | dutchfish | beats me |
| 12:00.05 | nan8 | just use two images? |
| 12:00.11 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 12:00.44 | dutchfish | it will perform better also when 2 images are being used |
| 12:01.14 | dutchfish | but i would hcoose lvm, hands down |
| 12:01.20 | dutchfish | s/hcoose/choose |
| 12:01.28 | nan8 | tuxcrafter: still there? |
| 12:01.32 | dutchfish | much more flexible |
| 12:02.44 | dutchfish | humbolt, lsof, vmstat ? |
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| 12:02.59 | jogla | Hello |
| 12:03.11 | JuanDaugherty | how can I tell what video driver I'm using? |
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| 12:03.35 | jogla | I have patched and repackaged lighttpd for a server of mine, and replaced the package on that system with my own. |
| 12:03.46 | tuxcrafter | dutchfish: nan8 i think i found a way to do it without qemu and use losesetup with the -o offset |
| 12:03.48 | jogla | When doing apt-get upgrade now, apt-get wants to replace the original version |
| 12:03.55 | jogla | how can i prevent that? |
| 12:04.04 | din_os | hello can anyone help me with compiling the win32-loader? compiler says it can't find the /Templates/all.nsh file |
| 12:04.27 | obcecado | !apt pinning |
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| 12:05.23 | obcecado | jogla: google for apt pinning |
| 12:05.33 | jogla | thanks |
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| 12:05.52 | asg | !pinning |
| 12:05.53 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 12:06.06 | nan8 | tuxcrafter: this probably will not work - because the you can't set the size only the offset |
| 12:06.29 | obcecado | that :-] |
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| 12:07.18 | jogla | But does that work for one package too? Because i don't won't to mix releases |
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| 12:08.51 | humbolt | dutchfish: but does not lsof only list open files? |
| 12:09.08 | humbolt | dutchfish: I need to know the apps that cause IO blocks |
| 12:09.24 | dutchfish | humbolt, yes, but with watch and grepping the suspects you ca actually see what is happening |
| 12:09.52 | dutchfish | humbolt, have you prechecked with htop? |
| 12:09.58 | humbolt | no |
| 12:10.22 | dutchfish | or something ps auxww |
| 12:10.46 | nan8 | humbolt: pidstat |
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| 12:11.45 | nan8 | humbolt: package: sysstat - and requires new enough kernel (lenny is ok) |
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| 12:12.26 | jogla | obcecado: I don't think that works for a package i packaged myself, at least i don't know how. |
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| 12:13.04 | amimusa | grat, solved :D |
| 12:13.09 | amimusa | thanks so much for your support |
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| 12:13.59 | dutchfish | nan8, didnt know that %system does include filelocking |
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| 12:14.20 | dutchfish | nan8, time |
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| 12:14.53 | obcecado | jogla: youre right i misread your question, no idea how to solve that though |
| 12:15.58 | nan8 | humbolt, dutchfish: uh - sorry - i misread that one - i thought about i/o blocking caused by limited bandwidth |
| 12:16.37 | dutchfish | np, i think he means filelocking by io-blocking |
| 12:16.50 | dutchfish | not sure |
| 12:17.16 | dutchfish | mmm... maybe kerneltop |
| 12:17.22 | amimusa | i need to go now, thanks again.. very much |
| 12:17.26 | humbolt | nan8: See, the problem is, that on boot up and login I see a lot of IO blocking in my system monitor. And I never quite found out, where it is coming from. |
| 12:17.29 | mmek___ | sorry about the nick changes |
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| 12:18.53 | nan8 | humbolt: on boot it might well be limited i/o bandwidth? what system monitor? |
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| 12:19.11 | dutchfish | humbolt, did you check that this is not caused by cron jobs (anachronistic ones)? |
| 12:19.13 | r00t3d | if you interupt the mv what happends? |
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| 12:20.23 | dutchfish | humbolt, syslog and htop should show that |
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| 12:21.09 | humbolt | nan8: sure it is limited system bandwidth. But still I would like to find out, which apps cause the most IO. There might be some bullshit running, that I don't need. That I have installed and activated many release cycles back in time. And I don't want to fresh install my whole system. |
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| 12:22.03 | nan8 | humbolt: pidstat shows io/process (see above) |
| 12:22.48 | humbolt | yes, tnx. I installed all these |
| 12:23.04 | humbolt | And am in the process of testing them |
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| 12:23.31 | nan8 | takes a look at htop |
| 12:23.41 | dutchfish | yes, start with pidstat -d and work form there |
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| 12:23.54 | dutchfish | s/form/from |
| 12:24.13 | nan8 | dutchfish: which is the best top? |
| 12:24.40 | dutchfish | nan8, depends on the job, but i tend to use htop more lately in tree mode for a quicky |
| 12:24.56 | nan8 | dutchfish: does it network and disk i/o? |
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| 12:25.49 | dutchfish | nan8, hehe no |
| 12:25.57 | woland | hi guys. what do i add to my lenny sources.list to start playing with sid? |
| 12:26.18 | dutchfish | nan8, but for that i use iftop and netstat in watch modus |
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| 12:26.49 | nan8 | dutchfish: i really would like to have one top integrating network and disk i/o |
| 12:26.49 | dutchfish | nan8, but thats just me |
| 12:27.01 | dutchfish | nan8, :) |
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| 12:27.44 | r00t3d | if you mv something and interupt it what happends to the file? |
| 12:27.47 | r00t3d | is it gonna be partial? |
| 12:27.53 | dutchfish | nan8, you can always ask the kernel |
| 12:28.02 | JuanDaugherty | isn't there a package name which will apt-get a base devel package set? |
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| 12:28.54 | dutchfish | nan8, iostat is another one |
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| 12:30.11 | dutchfish | JuanDaugherty, you mean build-essential ? |
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| 12:30.37 | dutchfish | !build-essential |
| 12:30.37 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 12:32.06 | jogla | i have used the debian multimedia archive a while, now i removed it from my apt-sources and want to get rid of every package installed from there |
| 12:32.10 | jogla | how can i do that? |
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| 12:33.03 | JuanDaugherty | dutchfish, that'll do, thanks |
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| 12:33.31 | neongenesis | hi guys! |
| 12:34.38 | JuanDaugherty | what't the antonym, build-? |
| 12:34.55 | JuanDaugherty | (i.e. maximal, all, etc.) |
| 12:35.09 | neongenesis | I have an old imac g3 powered by powerpc cpu to 500mhz 80 gb hd 512 ram. would be possible install Debian? |
| 12:35.11 | dutchfish | JuanDaugherty, you mean build-essential ? |
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| 12:35.53 | JuanDaugherty | right what's the antonym of essential? is there something like build-maximal? |
| 12:36.01 | dutchfish | nope |
| 12:36.07 | JuanDaugherty | :( |
| 12:36.41 | dutchfish | JuanDaugherty, build-essential is basically all you need and off course your deps. for building your packages |
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| 12:37.28 | dutchfish | JuanDaugherty, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 12:39.06 | anigma | !ssh |
| 12:39.07 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>. |
| 12:40.03 | JuanDaugherty | dutchfish, Acknowledged. |
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| 12:40.42 | dutchfish | JuanDaugherty, yw |
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| 12:42.06 | neongenesis | but I wanna know this! I cannot do a lot things in this machine see movies or videos for instances because Mac Os x need a lot sources and of course the machine run slow. My ask! if I install debian will I solve those problems |
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| 12:42.59 | dutchfish | neongenesis, no, likely not, but debina is quiet resource friendly if you take your time to setup it the right way prolly yes |
| 12:43.05 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
| 12:43.41 | dutchfish | neongenesis, what cpu is in that G5? |
| 12:43.45 | neongenesis | I was talking about thatfor a few time in other irc-channel and they told me that I should install YELLOW DOG |
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| 12:44.00 | neongenesis | no A G3 powerpc |
| 12:44.24 | neongenesis | 512 ram |
| 12:44.36 | dutchfish | neongenesis, if you new ot linux i would choose Debian or Ubuntu, thye differ but if you see this as a learning expirience you will coop at the end |
| 12:44.38 | lvh | depends what you want to play |
| 12:44.43 | neongenesis | processor go to 500 mhz |
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| 12:44.57 | lvh | you probably won't be able to play high end videos on a G3 |
| 12:45.07 | lvh | small ones? sure |
| 12:45.11 | dutchfish | neongenesis, might be enough for divx and stuff but dont expect HD video form it |
| 12:45.19 | nan8 | (at least not without skipping frames) |
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| 12:46.18 | dutchfish | i have a G3 running for just that, it depends more on your video card and CPU, 512 mb is more thne enough |
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| 12:46.57 | lvh | dutchfish: video playback is almost always cpu-limited really |
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| 12:47.22 | dutchfish | lvh, right, but most G3 cpus do a fine job on divx |
| 12:48.09 | dutchfish | lvh, if the box does dri with its video card its quiet enough |
| 12:48.14 | lvh | dutchfish: depends what divx obviously (I have plenty of divx/xvids that I'm very sure that thing can't play) but the performance of G3's isn't terrible, it's better than most intels from that era |
| 12:48.30 | dutchfish | lvh, thats what i meant |
| 12:48.49 | anigma | to be able to connect from a remote machine to my debian server, I would have to port forward port 22 in my router, right? |
| 12:48.55 | anigma | after I've installed ssh and everything.. |
| 12:49.02 | asg | yes |
| 12:49.03 | dutchfish | anigma, yes |
| 12:49.11 | anigma | alright |
| 12:49.13 | neongenesis | mmm! |
| 12:49.16 | nan8 | dutchfish: does xvideo extension work on that hardware? |
| 12:49.20 | lvh | dutchfish: DRI doesn't really matter that much, as long as the driver has Xv it doesn't really matter how it does it |
| 12:49.26 | dutchfish | nan8, now thats the real q |
| 12:49.29 | lvh | nan8: damn you, you're marginally faster than me. |
| 12:49.39 | din_os | hello can anyone help me with compiling the win32-loader? compiler says it can't find the /Templates/all.nsh file |
| 12:49.40 | nan8 | lvh: ;-) |
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| 12:50.41 | dutchfish | din_os, you might be better of asking that on the mingw channel |
| 12:50.48 | neongenesis | well I have down loaded the first and the second iso the others thing I'will install with internet |
| 12:51.07 | lvh | neongenesis: I don't even bother with that anymore tbh |
| 12:51.16 | lvh | I've got the DVD for lenny-amd64 and that's it |
| 12:51.32 | dutchfish | !nt-install |
| 12:51.33 | nan8 | does anyone have the answer for jogla's question? i am interested, too - i don't know a real simple one - and i expect there to be a simple one? |
| 12:51.36 | dutchfish | !net-install |
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| 12:51.43 | dutchfish | mmm... |
| 12:51.59 | din_os | dutchfish: thx |
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| 12:53.15 | adb | dpkg: tell din_os about netinstall |
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| 12:53.35 | lvh | nan8: You can't reliably downgrade everything |
| 12:53.44 | dutchfish | adb, thx |
| 12:53.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.54 | neongenesis | for instance! I've got the gnome-install iso but there is other that say xfce. do you recomend that to me? |
| 12:53.56 | lvh | nan8: You can autoclean and then force reinstall of every package in that repo, but that's ugly |
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| 12:54.23 | neongenesis | mm |
| 12:54.29 | jogla | Its better than reinstall lenny ;) |
| 12:54.42 | lvh | jogla: yay for backups |
| 12:54.42 | jogla | I can't get my vlc to work because of debian-multimedia archive |
| 12:54.57 | lvh | jogla: what would you have done if the multimedia package totally hosed your system? |
| 12:55.13 | dutchfish | jogla, lib-dvd or something |
| 12:55.15 | jogla | Its not my fault, its there fault |
| 12:55.20 | jogla | but now i have it |
| 12:55.45 | jogla | it was libavcode51 |
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| 12:56.51 | nan8 | maybe something like: dpkg-query '-f${Package} ${Maintainer}\n' -W |grep Maril|cut -f 1 -d " " |
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| 12:58.37 | nan8 | lvh: i don't want to downgrade - i only want to list |
| 12:58.50 | nan8 | (and later downgrade without telling you ;-) |
| 12:59.42 | lvh | nan8: I'm sure there's some deep magic that will let you compare installed packages versus installable packages and their respective versions but I don't know of it |
| 12:59.49 | neongenesis | ok guys thanks a lot I'll be making a backup and I'll try! |
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| 13:02.17 | hark | nan8: aptitude search '~i~Ounoff' |
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| 13:04.00 | enouf | hark: FWIW, and as ISTR .. that's a wonderful nice short aptitude that will suffice, but usually only if one had/has been using aptitude - IINM |
| 13:05.24 | enouf | ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' is what i use, but one must install two pkgs, IINM, grep-dctrl, and dctrl-tools |
| 13:05.24 | apt | that's too long, enouf |
| 13:05.30 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:05.50 | hark | enouf: no, will work regardless |
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| 13:06.33 | enouf | IIRC, i've tried both not too long ago, and their outputs varied greatly (i don't use aptitude) .. i will try again though soon - when i had previously, the system was long overdue for a massive upgrade ... so |
| 13:06.45 | hark | and marillat is a debian maint as wel |
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| 13:08.13 | enouf | hark: while piping both outputs to '| wc -l' i get 50 from aptitude and 63 from grep-status |
| 13:08.24 | nan8 | hark: thanks for aptitude search '~i~Ounoff'! |
| 13:08.39 | nan8 | hark: thanks for aptitude search '~i~Ounoff' |
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| 13:09.04 | adb | 's marillat == 0 |
| 13:09.47 | SparFux | Hey, anybody interested in building a VPN with me? |
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| 13:10.34 | phogg | SparFux: I'd need a ring first. |
| 13:10.52 | hark | enouf: there's a reason it will work for nan8 and not for you |
| 13:10.58 | SparFux | phogg: A ring? |
| 13:11.26 | phogg | SparFux: a wedding ring |
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| 13:11.38 | SparFux | phogg: Why that? |
| 13:11.58 | smacnay_ | Hi, here is a fun little quirk. My 2 year old must have hit the power button on my machine while I was eating. My machine hibernated and was able to recover except that the X session will not re-awaken. I can see the screensaver running but cannot interrupt it to log back into X. Anyone know a work around without shifting to console and restarting X? |
| 13:12.49 | phogg | SparFux: It was a joke. |
| 13:12.56 | SparFux | Yes. |
| 13:13.05 | SparFux | Thought that :-P |
| 13:13.14 | SparFux | but after a while only. |
| 13:14.04 | adb | from memory, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or ask me about <openvpn> |
| 13:14.16 | enouf | hark: i'm working on why that is .. i think |
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| 13:14.27 | nan8 | enouf: well my grep is not exact - thats why i wrote "like" |
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| 13:15.05 | enouf | nan8: no worries - take hark's advices .. allow us (or just me) to sort this out - thanks |
| 13:15.07 | hark | enouf: yeah, i'll discuss this in a little while, but this did come up before as well |
| 13:15.12 | nkuttler | smacnay_: kill the process? |
| 13:15.25 | darkstego | anyone know why lib32ncurses5 tries to remove libc6-i386? |
| 13:15.49 | nan8 | hmm - there is indeed a problem: aptitude says i have mplayer installed from unofficial origin - but i have not |
| 13:16.21 | smacnay_ | nkuttler: that is what I will do. Thanks. |
| 13:16.41 | enouf | hark: no probs, i've (along with sort -n + awk + grep -v '^A') redirected outputs to files, so i can diff them as well .. i just have other crap i have to do right now ... i'll be around, as usual ;-) |
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| 13:17.26 | enouf | hark: just highlight my nick when you go into detail (just once is enough), if possible, then i can easily find it within the scrollback |
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| 13:19.27 | anddam | what's the easiest way to have a small set of packages upgraded to version newer than those in repository? |
| 13:19.27 | anddam | backports? |
| 13:19.27 | anddam | I'm on lenny |
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| 13:19.48 | nan8 | enouf: librep9 is maintained by marillat in official => my solution will include it |
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| 13:20.32 | nan8 | hark, enouf: on the other hand i had installed mplayer from debian multimedia and downgraded it to lenny (and now aptitude still shows it as unofficial) |
| 13:20.51 | nan8 | i am using: diff -u <(aptitude search '~i~Ounoff'|cut -c 5-|cut -f 1 -d " "|sort) <(dpkg-query '-f${Package} ${Maintainer}\n' -W|grep Marillat|cut -f 1 -d " "|sort) |
| 13:21.04 | CargolSS | ok i tried installing sound on debian lenny but no luck |
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| 13:21.38 | CargolSS | for sound to work i have to install alsaconf as root every time i start debian |
| 13:21.44 | CargolSS | can someone help? |
| 13:22.00 | CargolSS | thanks |
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| 13:22.16 | romano2k | hi everyone! |
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| 13:23.25 | romano2k | can anybody help me configuring bind so that one domain name leads to the internal IP of my server from the inside of my network, and to my public IP from outside? |
| 13:23.27 | neongenesis | http://loscazadoreslinux.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/configurar-sonido-en-debian-etch-alsaconf-alsamixer/ |
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| 13:26.04 | hans_ | i installed apache and php5. afterwards i installed mysql. put i can not run phpmyadmin cause the mysql module for php is not loaded. |
| 13:26.26 | hans_ | how do i load it? |
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| 13:27.23 | CargolSS | neongenesis: and after i reboot will it work? |
| 13:27.52 | CargolSS | or do i have to install alsaconf as root again? |
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| 13:28.22 | adb | romano2k Èi CargolSS try /j #debian-ro |
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| 13:29.33 | nan8 | hark, enouf: i guess the problem is that "aptitude search '~i~Ounoff'" basically means: list installed and unofficial available package |
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| 13:32.13 | neongenesis | yeah but under etch but I don't know if under lenny should be the same!!! |
| 13:32.53 | themill | dpkg: tell hans_ about install php |
| 13:32.55 | enouf | i'm using various things (and i'm using grep-status, not dpkg-query) ... but also just now comparing dpkg -l $(aptitude search '~i~Ounoff' | sort -n | awk '{ print$2 }' | grep -v '^A') with dpkg -l $(grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' | sort -n | awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs) |
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| 13:33.21 | enouf | darn it, i gotta run now .. for a while |
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| 13:33.37 | themill | hans_: you may also want to check the php5-mysql package |
| 13:33.53 | Cybo-Mobile | used Debian for years, but been away for about one. I used to be able to install Sid by selecting "expert" on a netinstall image, can I still do that? |
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| 13:37.24 | RainbowW | is there an installer for squeeze that's known to actually install correctly on efi macs? every time i use the i386 netinst it gets to the reboot and dies because the system thinks there's no bootable drive. |
| 13:37.34 | nkuttler | Cybo-Mobile: no idea, but i think it's a bad idea anyway. i prefer to install what i need in stable and dist-upgrade later |
| 13:37.54 | smacnay | Wierd. I now have a networking icon in my panel that, when displaying as "disconnected" is actually connected and when displaying "connected" is actually disconnected. Weird. |
| 13:38.24 | Cybo-Mobile | nkuttler, I would normally agree, but in this case, I end up with a broke system. So, I guess I will do a base install and upgrade from there and see where it breaks. |
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| 13:39.35 | hans_ | themill: i did install all the packages the bot told (i already did so), the php5 module was already enabled |
| 13:39.53 | hans_ | i also did restart apache and the browser. |
| 13:39.58 | hans_ | but it does not work. |
| 13:40.09 | themill | hans_: php5-mysql? |
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| 13:40.59 | hans_ | Module php5-mysql does not exist! |
| 13:41.14 | hans_ | or do you mean i should install? |
| 13:41.18 | themill | it's a package |
| 13:41.26 | hans_ | i already did that. |
| 13:41.49 | themill | hans_: are you using the debian-provided php config files? or have you been messing with them? |
| 13:41.57 | hans_ | the mysql.so is located in /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs |
| 13:42.13 | hans_ | themill: first i did not edit anything |
| 13:42.38 | hans_ | when it was not working, i added two lines to the php.ini in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 13:42.54 | hans_ | themill: i added extension_dir and the extension mysql.so |
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| 13:43.26 | DetroitLibertyPe | there wouldn't be a problem having too many debian repositroes in your source.list right? |
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| 13:44.05 | Cybo-Mobile | DetroitLibertyPe, not that I recall as long as they are all the same distro |
| 13:44.21 | themill | hans_: try removing those two lines; they shouldn't be necessary |
| 13:44.34 | Cybo-Mobile | DetroitLibertyPe, IIRC, if one does not list for some reason, then it would go to the "next" one |
| 13:44.46 | themill | hans_: just check that you have mysql.ini in /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ |
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| 13:45.03 | hans_ | themill: did that... restarting apache... |
| 13:45.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | thanks Cybo-Mobile |
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| 13:45.42 | Cybo-Mobile | DetroitLibertyPe, note I did say IIRC, but I normally had like two diff. sources to cover network issues. |
| 13:46.05 | DetroitLibertyPe | !IIRC |
| 13:46.06 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 13:46.31 | hans_ | themill: yes, mysql.ini exists |
| 13:46.34 | DetroitLibertyPe | IMHO that sounds good to me |
| 13:46.53 | hans_ | themill: it contains two lines, one of them is extension=mysql.so |
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| 13:47.21 | themill | hans_: yep. that's right |
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| 13:48.00 | romano2k | can anyone help me make my home server available from my LAN with its domain name? here are my configuration files: http://pastebin.com/f393701cc thanks! |
| 13:48.05 | hans_ | what else can i check? |
| 13:48.46 | themill | hans_: can you put together a small php page with just: <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 13:49.40 | hans_ | themill: yep, just a second |
| 13:50.36 | hans_ | themill: what do you want from the information given? |
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| 13:50.53 | themill | hans_: it should list the mysql extension there |
| 13:50.59 | hans_ | additional .ini files parsed says that mysql.ini was parsed... |
| 13:51.22 | hans_ | themill: i do have a mysql section. |
| 13:51.36 | themill | hans_: that means the extension is being loaded fine |
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| 13:53.03 | hans_ | themill: i did just sth. really silly! i always hit F5 to reload the page (phpmyadmin installation) and the error persited, which is because it is a seperate error file (not index.php which is parsed again)... |
| 13:53.07 | hans_ | oh, shame on me. |
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| 13:53.38 | CargolSS | how can i find out what debian version and kernel number i have |
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| 13:53.39 | CargolSS | ? |
| 13:53.46 | themill | hans_: ahh... I hate that sort of error page. useless. |
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| 13:53.54 | mesa_booger | CargolSS: uname -r |
| 13:54.11 | DesertRose | On boot / mounts as read only, how can I remount it as rw? |
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| 13:54.25 | Cybo-Mobile | CargolSS, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:54.37 | nan8 | CargolSS: lsb_release -a |
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| 13:55.03 | Cybo-Mobile | nan8, that one is new to me |
| 13:55.13 | DesertRose | Can anyone help? |
| 13:55.27 | DesertRose | On boot, / mounts as read only, how can I remount it as rw? |
| 13:55.41 | Cybo-Mobile | DesertRose, change fstab? |
| 13:55.46 | hans_ | themill: anyway, thanks a lot four your help. |
| 13:55.55 | DesertRose | Have done, to no avail |
| 13:56.04 | Cybo-Mobile | DesertRose, read the boot error and take steps? (like run fsck??) |
| 13:56.33 | DesertRose | Can't I just unmount it then mount it with different permissions |
| 13:56.50 | DesertRose | though theres just the one partition, so there'll be no /bin, nervermind /bin/mount |
| 13:57.04 | DesertRose | >.<' |
| 13:57.07 | Cybo-Mobile | boot into single user mode? |
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| 13:57.33 | mesa_booger | Cybo-Mobile: why would someone want to edit (a working) fstab ? |
| 13:57.47 | Cybo-Mobile | boot with a live CD DesertRose and check the filesystem (just guessing as to why / would be read only) |
| 13:58.02 | Cybo-Mobile | mesa_booger, it would appear to not be working, just going off a general question |
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| 13:58.33 | DesertRose | mesa_booger: it mounts as read-only |
| 13:58.46 | DesertRose | though the fstab is fine |
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| 14:09.13 | themill | hans_: no worries. Good luck with it |
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| 14:10.05 | cheako | ne1 awake? I'm having a problem with tor and freenode. I get it I have to use the 'hidden' servers, but the open one is banned. So I built my md5, but now what? |
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| 14:11.24 | themill | cheako: #freenode |
| 14:13.31 | hans_ | themill: thanks |
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| 14:16.03 | RainbowW | is the 501 netinst known to work with efi macs? when i've tried it in the past it's been a pretty miserable failure, refusing to boot after the first restart |
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| 14:18.55 | darkstego | anyone know why lib32ncurses5 tries to remove libc6-i386? |
| 14:19.08 | darkstego | even though it depends on it? |
| 14:19.15 | themill | darkstego: welcome to sid. Check the bts |
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| 14:19.37 | hans_ | btw, how do i quit one channel in irc (irssi)? / exit exits the whole program |
| 14:20.20 | themill | hans_: most clients will use /part |
| 14:20.22 | grul | hans_, /part |
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| 14:23.03 | hans_ | part stands for what? |
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| 14:24.07 | alkyC | leave |
| 14:24.07 | alkyC | part |
| 14:24.08 | themill | hans_: it doesn't stand for anything -- it means the same as "depart" in this sense though |
| 14:24.14 | alkyC | ^ yeah |
| 14:24.20 | alkyC | could thunk of the word |
| 14:24.23 | alkyC | *couldnt |
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| 14:24.27 | alkyC | my bad |
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| 14:26.53 | hans_ | themill: i see... |
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| 14:32.12 | doudou | hi, can i swap from a file in a non mounted partition? |
| 14:33.17 | doudou | i read some doc that convinced me to use a swap file even little, because i had 2GB memory free and that i use simple programms i thought it was not usefull, but seems that it is |
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| 14:34.01 | doudou | maybe it is "can i swap into a file in a non mounted partition?" |
| 14:34.15 | alkyC | why is it useful if you have so much free memory? |
| 14:34.24 | alkyC | a swap just acts like virtual memory right? |
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| 14:35.21 | doudou | it is usefull because some program stay in memory and are never used, like getty, so it is better to swap them |
| 14:36.02 | doudou | sound enought to me |
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| 14:36.27 | doudou | why to waste memory, never know if a big programm will ask all memory? |
| 14:37.27 | alkyC | you cant choose what loads into swap |
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| 14:38.21 | zinx | doudou: no, you must mount the partition if the swap is a file in it |
| 14:39.24 | doudou | cant choose yes, but when a huge programm ask all memory, linux will put this kind of programm into swap, if you have no swap, linux will be slower, so why no use a little swap for this kind of programms that are here all the time? |
| 14:39.39 | doudou | thanks zinx |
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| 14:46.38 | doudou | what should i write in fstab to swap from a file? |
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| 14:47.15 | doudou | i have a file /root/swap i want to swap into it, what line should i add in fstab |
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| 14:52.50 | lvh | How can I change the default python interpreter to be 2.6? |
| 14:53.12 | lvh | (eg make /usr/bin/env python give me a 2.6 env, not 2.5) |
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| 14:54.28 | doudou | i found some doc, saying dd zero > swapfile, mkswap , and add in fstab the line UUID=idofswapfile non swap sw 0 0, is that enought? |
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| 14:54.54 | doudou | what is fusectl? where is doc about that? |
| 14:54.57 | Jomyoot | Am I right to understand that the purpose of Debian is for running Server? |
| 14:55.44 | doudou | wrong debian can do coffee |
| 14:56.20 | doudou | even capucino |
| 14:57.03 | doudou | can do server too said install |
| 14:57.20 | Jomyoot | well |
| 14:57.28 | Jomyoot | its purpose is optimize for server? |
| 14:57.33 | Jomyoot | rather than workstation or desktop right? |
| 14:58.05 | rudi_s | Jomyoot: No, you can use it for any purpose you want, Server, Desktop, etc. all work fine. |
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| 14:58.37 | avu | lvh, you don't |
| 14:58.43 | rudi_s | But as Debian doesn't update stable except for serious bugs/security fixes you might get "old" software which is not wanted as Desktop computer. |
| 14:59.14 | zetheroo | I just installed Debian on my Thinkpad and am having difficulty finding how to install packages ... I cannot find Synaptic or anything else .. |
| 14:59.28 | doudou | try aptitude |
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| 14:59.41 | zetheroo | through the terminal? |
| 14:59.54 | cahoot | rather - try the Debian reference |
| 14:59.58 | Jomyoot | What is philiosophy for ubuntu-server then? old solftware just as debian? |
| 14:59.59 | doudou | trought google first |
| 15:00.16 | zetheroo | so Debian does not come with a package manager app by default? |
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| 15:00.22 | avu | !tell zetheroo about grounding |
| 15:00.26 | avu | zetheroo, yes it does |
| 15:00.40 | zetheroo | avu: where is it? |
| 15:00.42 | avu | zetheroo, it also comes with a reference manual |
| 15:00.54 | avu | zetheroo, you've already been told it's called 'aptitude' |
| 15:01.05 | avu | zetheroo, also: read what the bot just told you |
| 15:01.53 | zetheroo | there is no Aptitude in my menus |
| 15:02.01 | nauseaboy | from terminal |
| 15:02.13 | zetheroo | :-/ |
| 15:02.18 | doudou | i prefer fluxbox, i want minimal xserver install, what should i need to have multi-user choice screen? |
| 15:02.43 | cahoot | zetheroo: try aptitude install synaptics in a terminal - the you probably can click your way forward |
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| 15:03.03 | zetheroo | ok well I have no internet either since debian did not install the drivers for my hardware .... |
| 15:03.22 | zetheroo | sux :( |
| 15:03.31 | themill | warms up the trollstamp |
| 15:03.47 | zetheroo | I had to download the firmware on my other machine ... but now what do i do with the firmware? |
| 15:04.29 | zetheroo | ***themill: sorry, I am just used to more "out-of-the-box-ready" distro's like Ubuntu ... |
| 15:04.52 | zetheroo | this is my second time trying out Debian ... |
| 15:04.53 | themill | If you had installed the "desktop" task then you would already have synaptic installed |
| 15:04.56 | cahoot | zetheroo: so what drove out? |
| 15:05.13 | zetheroo | themill: I did install that! |
| 15:05.47 | zetheroo | cahoot: nothing ... I am always interested in new distros ... and I hear a lot of good about Debian |
| 15:06.04 | zetheroo | but maybe its just bit more fiddly ... |
| 15:06.23 | zetheroo | anyone know what I should do now with the firmware? |
| 15:06.32 | zetheroo | its on my portable hdd |
| 15:06.40 | cahoot | zetheroo: put it in /lib/firmware |
| 15:06.49 | zetheroo | ok ... |
| 15:07.40 | zetheroo | great ... now Debian refuses to mount my usb hdd |
| 15:08.18 | zetheroo | is that because its in NTFS format? |
| 15:09.18 | SQlvpapir_ | zetheroo: you have ntfs-3g installed? |
| 15:09.35 | zetheroo | probably not .. this is a fresh install |
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| 15:11.08 | zetheroo | how do i open the file browser in root? |
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| 15:13.02 | zetheroo | I tried gksudo nautilus but it still would not open |
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| 15:16.36 | craigevil | zetheroo: try gksu |
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| 15:17.39 | zetheroo | craigevil: thanks that worked ... |
| 15:18.01 | zetheroo | now everytime I open a folder it opens a new file browser window ... how can I stop that from happening? |
| 15:18.58 | WormFood | suddenly my numberpad on my keyboard quit working. It appears to be associated with an update and reboot, but I can't be sure it is related. It has always worked in the past, and I changed nothing in the bios....anyone got a clue about this? |
| 15:19.19 | zetheroo | ok I copied the file ... |
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| 15:19.26 | zetheroo | do I restart the machine? |
| 15:19.48 | WormFood | zetheroo, type "reboot" or "init 6" |
| 15:20.13 | nauseaboy | zetheroo: if you go to edit > preferences click the behavior tab, and check "Always open in browser windows" you won't get that anymore |
| 15:20.17 | WormFood | weird...I unplugged and plugged back in my keyboard, and now the numberpad works (usb keyboard) |
| 15:20.29 | doudou | i prefer fluxbox, i used to install xserver-xorg-core only, but it did not work, i need xserver-xorg, they change things or what? i would like to have a graphic screen to choose user, what is adapted with aptitude and minimal stuff? |
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| 15:20.54 | zetheroo | nauseaboy: ok ... |
| 15:20.55 | doudou | adapted to fluxbox |
| 15:21.10 | zetheroo | Debian is fast ... I like that |
| 15:21.41 | doudou | debian is slow i hate that |
| 15:21.58 | zetheroo | WormFood: I rebooted ... shoudl i see the network applet now? |
| 15:23.06 | doudou | is there an explanation to this question: we found more and more bugs in code ; programms have more and more code ??? |
| 15:23.25 | WormFood | zetheroo, you never need to reboot linux except to change hardware related settings, kernel changes, or boot time settings (like ram disk size, for example, when compiled statically) |
| 15:23.52 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:24.19 | Posterdati | please I got a zyxel 660 dsl 2+ modem that got reset at random time... Shall I buy another one? |
| 15:24.30 | zetheroo | WormFood: ok ... |
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| 15:26.26 | zetheroo | well I copied the firware file and rebooted and nothing ... |
| 15:26.31 | zetheroo | dunno what to do now .. |
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| 15:26.43 | zetheroo | any bright ideas? |
| 15:26.49 | WormFood | sorry, I can't help now. It is almost 11:30 pm here, and I gotta get up about 5am |
| 15:27.00 | WormFood | good luck...see ya'll l8r |
| 15:27.02 | zetheroo | :) no worries |
| 15:27.06 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.08 | zetheroo | its 1am here ... |
| 15:27.14 | cahoot | zetheroo: for waht device is the firmware intended? |
| 15:27.15 | WormFood | 1am? |
| 15:27.19 | zetheroo | I got to hitthe sack too soon |
| 15:27.24 | WormFood | 1:30? |
| 15:27.28 | WormFood | 12:30? |
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| 15:27.44 | zetheroo | WormFood: 1am ... as in 1 in the morning |
| 15:27.52 | zetheroo | cahoot: intel wireless |
| 15:27.56 | WormFood | that is rather odd |
| 15:28.09 | WormFood | as most times would be close to :30 |
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| 15:28.13 | zetheroo | WormFood: uh why? |
| 15:28.15 | cahoot | zetheroo: specifically iwl....? |
| 15:28.22 | WormFood | it is about 11:30 here |
| 15:28.25 | zetheroo | cahoot: ipw2100 |
| 15:28.28 | WormFood | most time zones are 1 hour apart |
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| 15:28.46 | WormFood | zetheroo, hahahaha....boot an older kernel |
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| 15:29.01 | zetheroo | WormFood: ahhh .. yes I am in Adelaide ... we are in a mid-zone |
| 15:29.10 | cahoot | zetheroo: so modprobe -r iwl2100; modprobe iwl2100; dmesg - any complaints about firmware? |
| 15:29.10 | WormFood | I had to compile custom kernel for my latop (sid), because of the retarded changes they made |
| 15:29.27 | cahoot | zetheroo: or whatever name the module has |
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| 15:29.34 | zetheroo | cahoot: ok will try that |
| 15:29.54 | zetheroo | sudo modprobe ... or without sudo? |
| 15:30.04 | cahoot | as root |
| 15:30.10 | WormFood | zetheroo, seriously, you'll probably want to change the kernel....I doubt you'll be able to get kismet to work with the stock debian kernel (at least on sid, maybe other branches are ok) |
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| 15:30.26 | WormFood | ok, I'm gone now...l8r |
| 15:30.33 | sc0tch | is using aptitude to 'hold' a pkg, ie: aptitude hold <pkg-name> the same as pinning it? |
| 15:30.44 | kanon-mat | no |
| 15:31.29 | sc0tch | The debian reference is not entirely clear between the two as I read it. |
| 15:31.42 | zetheroo | modprobe command not found |
| 15:31.50 | zetheroo | cahoot: ^ |
| 15:31.52 | cahoot | as root |
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| 15:32.25 | kanon-mat | i was told here in this channel that aptitude doesnt respect the "hold" feature. pinning is also more versatile |
| 15:32.43 | zetheroo | cahoot: ok it seems to have worked that time in root |
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| 15:33.28 | \amethyst | pinning chooses which distribution (stable, testing, unstable, experimental) you want a package from; holding selects a particular version |
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| 15:33.53 | zetheroo | cahoot: dmesg looks fine |
| 15:34.00 | zetheroo | cahoot: what now? |
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| 15:34.05 | \amethyst | if a package is pinned to testing, it will be upgraded when a new version appears in testing; if it is held, it will not be upgraded |
| 15:34.24 | cahoot | zetheroo: ifconfig -a any wlan* ? |
| 15:34.30 | zetheroo | cahoot: is there a network manager? |
| 15:34.33 | zetheroo | ok |
| 15:35.20 | zetheroo | cahoot: no wireless ... :( |
| 15:35.38 | zetheroo | eth0, irda0 and lo |
| 15:35.55 | cahoot | zetheroo: did you firtst unload the module with modprobe -r? |
| 15:36.14 | zetheroo | unload it? |
| 15:36.16 | nan8 | is it just me - or is zetheroo sending strange characters? |
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| 15:36.48 | cahoot | zetheroo: like you were told above: so modprobe -r iwl2100; modprobe iwl2100; dmesg - any complaints about firmware? |
| 15:37.07 | zetheroo | cahoot: I did those ... and no complaints |
| 15:37.18 | zetheroo | why unload it though? |
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| 15:37.30 | zetheroo | don't I want the module loaded?? |
| 15:37.44 | cahoot | zetheroo: to make sure it's loaded 'after' you got firmware |
| 15:38.35 | zetheroo | ok well now i loaded the module and now I have eth0,eth1,irda and lo |
| 15:38.38 | cahoot | zetheroo: no complaints at all in dmesg about missing/wrong firmware? |
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| 15:39.46 | n-iCe | hello |
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| 15:39.51 | zetheroo | cahoot: and iwconfig shows eth1 as being the wifi card |
| 15:40.07 | zetheroo | cahoot: guess now I have to somehow connect to my wireless network |
| 15:40.22 | cahoot | zetheroo: ok - I found wicd a nice wifi tool |
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| 15:40.57 | zetheroo | cahoot: but the machine is not online .... at all |
| 15:41.04 | limon | how can i found libgcc1 in ftp? |
| 15:41.06 | zetheroo | cahoot: can i connect via the terminal? |
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| 15:41.29 | cahoot | zetheroo: it's certainly possible |
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| 15:42.25 | cahoot | zetheroo: I just don't find myself up to the task of guiding you through that |
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| 15:42.51 | zetheroo | cahoot: ok I think I found it ... is this right? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=628214 |
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| 15:43.23 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 15:44.09 | Azrael_- | how/where can i set to adjust to winter/summer-time? |
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| 15:46.02 | nan8 | Azrael_-: this should happen automatically |
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| 15:47.30 | Cybo-Mobile | problems with virt-manger and debian stable, can't get X >800x600 but fedora and winXP have 1024x768 not much out there on this issue. Any clues? |
| 15:47.47 | Cybo-Mobile | ^ using kvm and virt-manager |
| 15:48.29 | Cybo-Mobile | explicitly set 1024x768 in xorg.conf and xrandr still only shows max res is 800x600 |
| 15:48.31 | Azrael_- | nan8: seems like it is a bug with java not correctly identifying the timezone |
| 15:48.56 | nan8 | Azrael_-: => your problem is already solved? |
| 15:48.57 | Cybo-Mobile | hardware reports the same hardware on both fedora and debian kvm, cirrus video |
| 15:49.39 | Azrael_- | nan8: not completely, only found a thread about such a topic although i don't like the proposed solutions: https://www.agorum.com/mantis/print_bug_page.php?bug_id=49 |
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| 15:50.25 | nan8 | Azrael_-: i can't help you with java (did not visit the link) |
| 15:50.44 | Azrael_- | nan8: k |
| 15:50.48 | Azrael_- | thx anyway |
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| 15:53.27 | sambaw | when i traceroute to any detination it skip /doesnt show 1st hop |
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| 15:54.28 | phorce1 | what all loads stuff into one's environment variables? If I type "set" at the command line it spits out over 200K of garbage with sections like _imagemagick () and _aptitude () and _update_alternatives () ??? |
| 15:54.56 | \amethyst | phorce1: those are shell functions (not part of the environment) probably defined by bash_completion |
| 15:54.58 | phorce1 | This is as user, for root 'set' gives me about 1 screen page of "normal" stuff |
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| 15:56.16 | phorce1 | \amethyst: thanks now I know where to look. |
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| 15:58.24 | khaije|amalt | so how do i specify which repo to pull from when they are all called 'main'? |
| 15:58.26 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.10 | khaije|amalt | normally I'd be able to say aptitude install foo/bar to get foo from bar, but if they are all called bar, how does that work? |
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| 15:59.58 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: aptitude install foo/testing or foo/unstable |
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| 16:00.45 | khaije|amalt | right but in the case of backports it actually calls itself main, see what i mean? |
| 16:00.46 | phorce1 | khaije|amalt: I'd use the names though /lenny /squeeze /sid |
| 16:01.08 | khaije|amalt | i have it pinned to -100 so it will only install if i explicitly tell it to |
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| 16:01.18 | khaije|amalt | and i just wanna get one app |
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| 16:01.40 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: it's called lenny-backports |
| 16:01.43 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: not 'main' |
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| 16:03.23 | khaije|amalt | so which part of the name in `apt-cache policy` does it select for? |
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| 16:06.58 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: you can select on any of the attributes, but usually you'd use a=lenny-backports |
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| 16:07.27 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: c= isn't that useful to pin on, since a single package isn't likely to be in both main and non-free |
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| 16:07.58 | khaije|amalt | \amethyst: i know i can do that with the preferences file, but what about when I want to force the install of a low-pinned package |
| 16:08.19 | khaije|amalt | i'm used to using 'aptitude install foo/testing' |
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| 16:08.43 | khaije|amalt | but is there another way to specify the selection other than '/testing' |
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| 16:08.45 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: so foo/lenny-backports (or testing-backports). it uses the archive name (a= ) |
| 16:08.46 | careta | hello all |
| 16:09.15 | khaije|amalt | \amethyst: is that the only option presented? (thats what I'm wondering) |
| 16:09.20 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: you could also say blah=version |
| 16:09.27 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: you're talking about aptitude, right? |
| 16:09.30 | khaije|amalt | ya |
| 16:09.37 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: those are your two choices |
| 16:09.47 | kanon-mat | doesnt pinning w neg score prohibit install? |
| 16:09.49 | \amethyst | khaije|amalt: unless you use a search pattern, in which case you can say just about anything |
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| 16:10.04 | khaije|amalt | \amethyst: could you give me an example of that |
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| 16:10.36 | khaije|amalt | kanon-mat: it makes it no install automatically even if there are dependencies |
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| 16:11.06 | khaije|amalt | kanon-mat: but it's still indexed and can be worked with explicitly |
| 16:11.20 | rdorsch | Hello, when I close my laptop LID it hibernates. I do no understand what causes that. I cleaned /etc/acpi/events and restarted acpi. |
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| 16:11.34 | rdorsch | Also I deactivated all actions in kpowersave |
| 16:11.47 | rdorsch | Is there any other place which is worthwile to look at. |
| 16:11.48 | rdorsch | ? |
| 16:11.59 | kanon-mat | ic |
| 16:12.20 | rdorsch | Are there any logfiles which I could check (did not find the rootcause in syslog). |
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| 16:13.08 | dimm | hello |
| 16:13.14 | Azrael_- | nan8: solved it |
| 16:13.21 | dimm | what last arch for s390? |
| 16:13.35 | nan8 | Azrael_-: nice - so it was a java only problem? |
| 16:14.00 | Azrael_- | yes, the timezone isn't recognized correctly. after setting the timzeone manually to the app it works no |
| 16:14.01 | Azrael_- | w |
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| 16:15.41 | nan8 | rdorsch: this can be tricky - i remember i once ended up added calls to logger to various suspicous scripts to find out whats going on |
| 16:15.54 | nan8 | rdorsch: ~s/added/adding |
| 16:16.06 | rdorsch | nan8: but at which script did you start? |
| 16:16.40 | nan8 | rdorsch: can't really remember ... |
| 16:17.32 | nan8 | rdorsch: i think the hal ones - see also dpkg -L hal |
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| 16:17.53 | rdorsch | nan8:hal is a good pointer, thanks |
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| 16:18.41 | cheako911 | me1 have a program or script for automating cisco's Web passthrough, with WLC? |
| 16:19.53 | nan8 | rdorsch: i remember for me the real problem was that i also have gnome-power-manager installed - and for me it seemed - that hal and gnome-power-manager somehow tried to do the same or opposing things |
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| 16:20.30 | nan8 | rdorsch: and i think laptop-mode-tools was involved, too |
| 16:20.52 | nan8 | rdorsch: in short: i am still confused by this mess |
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| 16:23.00 | rdorsch | nan8: I have none of these two installed (but kpowersave) |
| 16:23.17 | rdorsch | nan8: I could deinstall kpowersave though |
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| 16:31.25 | _Kuba | hi |
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| 16:31.56 | rdorsch | nan8:I found it. I had another battery monitor running, I closed this and no hibernate on laptop lid closing any more. I do not find that "battery monitor" anymore. |
| 16:32.09 | _Kuba | Anyone could help me with c++/boost-regex/compile related problem: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/jbexKMpM1UiIHBn89vcY/ and the output http://paste.pocoo.org/show/T6PbCFnTZwHNteCQKpqi/ |
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| 16:33.22 | ajavid | good frea,king morning |
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| 16:34.30 | ajavid | well afternoon |
| 16:34.34 | ajavid | well prenoon |
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| 16:34.35 | adb | LiraNuna: GyrosGeier> |
| 16:34.44 | ajavid | _Kuba, sec |
| 16:34.51 | adb | oops sorry |
| 16:35.02 | seahunter72 | !live cd |
| 16:35.03 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 16:35.18 | ajavid | _Kuba, go to #C++ |
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| 16:36.35 | seahunter72 | can someone help me out |
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| 16:37.19 | seahunter72 | been trying to run live cd but half way thru it starts erroring out any ideas?? |
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| 16:38.16 | adb | seahunter72: try #debian-live on irc.debian.net |
| 16:39.04 | wizl | i have upgraded from etch to lenny and now i get the error: "waiting for root file system.." |
| 16:39.11 | wizl | how can i boot my system again? |
| 16:39.32 | adb | seahunter72: don't pm me |
| 16:39.44 | ajavid | wizl, hmm looks like your initrd is probleming |
| 16:39.52 | seahunter72 | im new how do i switch to there |
| 16:40.07 | seahunter72 | in irc :( |
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| 16:40.09 | adb | !fixmbr |
| 16:40.10 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
| 16:40.22 | adb | wizl: ^^ |
| 16:40.53 | seahunter72 | adb how to i switch to that channel |
| 16:41.12 | wizl | seahunter72 write /server irc.debian.net -j debian-live |
| 16:41.38 | ajavid | he doesn't have to go through all that |
| 16:41.38 | wizl | adb aha |
| 16:41.40 | ajavid | wizl, I don't think you have to go through ALL that |
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| 16:41.53 | wizl | ajavid i hope so:D |
| 16:41.54 | ajavid | and its not grub that broken really, you can say it is |
| 16:41.56 | wizl | because i have no cd |
| 16:42.00 | ajavid | but its really not |
| 16:42.16 | ajavid | kernel line in menu.lst needs root=/point/to/correct/root/fs here |
| 16:42.23 | ajavid | for your kernel |
| 16:42.32 | wizl | yea i already tried that |
| 16:42.34 | ajavid | afte etch lenny upgrade im guessing udev change dyour shit around a bit |
| 16:42.41 | wizl | and i broken it even more;D |
| 16:42.47 | ajavid | its a common issue with etch-> lenny i see it a lot here |
| 16:43.45 | wizl | some say u just need to change hda to sda |
| 16:43.48 | wizl | and it works |
| 16:44.00 | wizl | but i have /dev/mapper/debian-root |
| 16:45.08 | ajavid | wizl, boot using the etch kernel/initrd first |
| 16:45.11 | ajavid | get back into your debian system |
| 16:45.21 | ajavid | if you are able to |
| 16:45.25 | wizl | not anymore |
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| 16:46.05 | ajavid | !dbugs #516931 |
| 16:46.10 | dpkg | #516931:I[release-notes] Yet anonther reason for the "Waiting for root file system ..." error (); Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:00:01 UTC [] |
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| 16:46.29 | phorce1 | My flash plugin has quit working completely that's annoying, I like YouTube. Is there a way to test Adobe's Flash10 outside the browser? an executable somewhere or just the .so? |
| 16:46.33 | ajavid | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516931 |
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| 16:47.03 | nan8 | phorce1: if you are only interested in the youtube videos you might also be interested in clive |
| 16:47.05 | phorce1 | nm, I'l just go poke around inside the .deb and see what's there. |
| 16:47.38 | phorce1 | nan8: There are a couple other sites that friend's email links to that wnat flash10 |
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| 16:47.45 | phorce1 | s/wnat/want |
| 16:47.47 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#boot-hangs |
| 16:47.53 | ajavid | wizl, ^^ |
| 16:48.01 | wizl | yea i was following those links.. |
| 16:48.05 | craigevil | phorce1: the .deb from adobe's site? it is made for ubuntu |
| 16:48.06 | wizl | but didn't helped.P |
| 16:48.29 | wizl | ajavid http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=36392 look at fazza post |
| 16:48.33 | wizl | i have the same settings |
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| 16:56.27 | wizl | stupid upgrade |
| 16:57.37 | ajavid | heh |
| 16:57.42 | ajavid | wizl, it'll be alright |
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| 16:58.21 | poisonbit | there are something like "debian reference" updated for debian lenny ? |
| 16:58.22 | ajavid | wizl, if you can't get back into system, at all, either kernel, just get a live cd and use what adb told you |
| 16:58.30 | ajavid | !reference |
| 16:58.31 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 16:58.56 | wizl | i hope that works |
| 16:59.02 | ajavid | (apart from the installation manual that is) |
| 16:59.29 | poisonbit | ajavid, that is written for debian sarge (3) |
| 16:59.38 | ajavid | word |
| 16:59.43 | ajavid | I wonder |
| 16:59.45 | ajavid | !grounding |
| 16:59.46 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 17:00.08 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 17:00.09 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 17:00.39 | poisonbit | ajavid, i'm not searching newbye documentation |
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| 17:00.52 | multi_io | what can't nfsd be told to bind to specific interfaces only? |
| 17:00.52 | ajavid | look man |
| 17:00.55 | poisonbit | my work is debian based 6 years agfo |
| 17:00.59 | ajavid | you get answers to the questions tyou fucking ask |
| 17:01.00 | ajavid | right? |
| 17:01.14 | ajavid | you ask me a generic vaugue question like wehre is th efucking ref. and this is what I will answer |
| 17:01.22 | poisonbit | i say about _updated for lenny_ "debian reference" |
| 17:01.23 | ajavid | if you want sometihng specific, ask a specific fucking qeustions. |
| 17:01.24 | ajavid | right? |
| 17:01.34 | Element14 | question: anybody recommend some howtos/tutorials/packages for traffic shaping (in a NAT router)? |
| 17:01.40 | poisonbit | sorry, maybe my english is not clear, i'm spanish, sorry |
| 17:01.51 | Element14 | particularly since the old "shaper" package was removed from lenny: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500594 |
| 17:01.51 | ajavid | don't apologize, ask a good qeustion |
| 17:01.57 | poisonbit | Element14, check lartc.org |
| 17:01.59 | ajavid | language is not the barrier here |
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| 17:02.39 | ajavid | and as you can tell, mylangauge isnot any etter than yours |
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| 17:02.53 | poisonbit | ajavid, ok, i'll try: is there any project, where people is updating the debian reference contents, for debian lenny (and i don't say the debian wiki) |
| 17:03.01 | ajavid | poisonbit, no, apparantly there is no 'updated' for lenny ref guide that I know of |
| 17:03.08 | poisonbit | :) |
| 17:03.12 | ajavid | I only now of these thigns that I told you of, you may need to hunt around for yourself |
| 17:03.16 | ajavid | in the given links |
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| 17:03.34 | poisonbit | thanks |
| 17:03.53 | ajavid | I wish I could help more, but I don't see anyone else offering to help you |
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| 17:04.39 | nan8 | i think the debian reference was just updated on the website? |
| 17:04.43 | poisonbit | I found that: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference |
| 17:04.45 | poisonbit | svn |
| 17:05.12 | ajavid | You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 17:05.26 | ajavid | obviously you'll get the version of the reference from the distro you type the command in |
| 17:05.30 | ajavid | on etch you get etch reference |
| 17:05.34 | ajavid | on lenny you get lenny reference |
| 17:05.39 | ajavid | I thought' you'd figure this out |
| 17:05.45 | ajavid | it was in the factoid I told you a while ago |
| 17:06.01 | poisonbit | last commit for the v2.0 of the debian reference is: Rev 6766 2009-06-26 15:55:28 GMT |
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| 17:06.17 | poisonbit | i think because of the websvn page |
| 17:06.21 | Element14 | poisonbit: is there something more recent? i see dead links and references to 2.2 and 2.4 kernels all the way |
| 17:06.21 | nan8 | see bug #509947: Now http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ is the latest one from upstream SVN. |
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| 17:06.47 | poisonbit | Element14, tc is equal |
| 17:06.59 | poisonbit | Element14, you have to tag the packages in the mangle table |
| 17:07.05 | poisonbit | Element14, and then apply tc commands |
| 17:07.08 | ajavid | weird |
| 17:07.13 | poisonbit | packets |
| 17:07.20 | ajavid | you guys should like really think about helping out debian |
| 17:07.23 | poisonbit | s/packages/packets/ |
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| 17:07.37 | Element14 | what do you mean by "tc is equal"? |
| 17:07.39 | ajavid | if our documentation is old, propose updates to it, in form of updated information |
| 17:08.01 | poisonbit | Element14, tc syntax and rules, are equal than when there was a 2.4 kernel |
| 17:08.06 | ajavid | don't simply hope soemone else will do it someday, if you can help, please do |
| 17:08.07 | Element14 | ok |
| 17:08.37 | ajavid | debian is 100% user contributed, I hope you know |
| 17:08.58 | ajavid | alright, good stuff |
| 17:09.04 | ajavid | word indeed |
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| 17:09.22 | rootmos | is anyone using ath9k and hostapd? |
| 17:09.33 | ajavid | ath9k but not the other |
| 17:09.38 | ajavid | oh sorry, ath5k |
| 17:09.40 | ajavid | sorry, nm |
| 17:09.41 | Element14 | poisonbit: is there any way though, that i can "just shape the damn thing" without becoming a network engineer? :-'( |
| 17:09.52 | ajavid | !wondershaper |
| 17:09.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
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| 17:10.41 | CargolSS | why is it so hard to make sound work in lenny? |
| 17:10.56 | nan8 | Element14: documentation is bad in that area, and if you use NAT and want to shape traffic to/from the box itself, too - it gets really ugly - afaik you will have to use IMQ then |
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| 17:11.02 | multi_io | what can't rpc.mountd (kernel server) be told to bind to specific interfaces only? |
| 17:11.13 | multi_io | specific reasons? |
| 17:11.40 | doudou | I downloaded and install debian lenny, thanks for my video card that is supported i suppose, i install eclipse but after 45minutes stop with error, what should i do? |
| 17:11.46 | Element14 | i wonder whether i should just reuse the old "shaper" package script in etch... :-/ |
| 17:11.59 | nan8 | Element14: there is a book - but i don't really recommend it: "linux firewalls and QoS" |
| 17:12.14 | doudou | i google and only found "Because on Lenny everyone is happy with emacs " |
| 17:12.18 | Element14 | i'm just intending to do this in my home network of like 8 machines ~_~ |
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| 17:12.26 | Element14 | reading a book is overkill |
| 17:12.27 | ajavid | doudou, hmm, good answer |
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| 17:13.14 | Element14 | let me just read the man pages, and if i can't grasp the stuff i'll just pull the old "shaper" package from etch |
| 17:13.18 | Element14 | thanks everybody |
| 17:13.20 | ajavid | doudou, ok, which gfx card is it? |
| 17:13.22 | doudou | Not quite, emacs is an OS that lacks a kernel and a decent editor... |
| 17:13.27 | ajavid | doudou, I don't think eclipse has anything do do with it |
| 17:13.38 | nan8 | Element14: do you want to shape traffic from/to that box itself? |
| 17:13.54 | ajavid | doudou, eclispe runs in a JVM inside X(vesa,intel,nv/idia, ati/radeon/fglrx) |
| 17:14.06 | ajavid | that has absolutely no bearing on the java vm and its application |
| 17:14.09 | nan8 | Element14: or only traffic passing through? |
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| 17:14.22 | Element14 | nan8: just passing traffic |
| 17:14.41 | Element14 | basically limiting upload speeds for all ports except things like port 22 and 80 etc |
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| 17:14.47 | ajavid | doudou, so after exactly 45 minutes every single time your eclispe stops with an error? what error is it? hwo many times have to timed to see if it takes 45 minutes? |
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| 17:14.55 | nan8 | Element14: so only outgoing traffic? |
| 17:15.03 | Element14 | yes |
| 17:15.20 | Element14 | to put it even more simply, preventing bittorrent traffic from getting out of hand :) |
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| 17:15.32 | doudou | no every 45 minutes i get something installed |
| 17:15.49 | ajavid | unelss you're specific with your problem, we're done here. |
| 17:15.59 | cuco | hi all, which kde4 version is available in debian testing? |
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| 17:16.11 | ajavid | cuco, afaik, 4.2.4 ? |
| 17:16.19 | ajavid | judd versiona kdebase |
| 17:16.19 | judd | ajavid: Error: "versiona" is not a valid command. |
| 17:16.23 | ajavid | judd versions kdebase |
| 17:16.24 | judd | ajavid: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.2-1 sid: 4:4.2.4-1 |
| 17:16.29 | doudou | what should i do with my eclipse, i dont care to wait a week, because i dont understand anything about java eclipse and others, but how should i preoceed? |
| 17:16.32 | nouri | I'm trying to install the debian eeepc image via USB stick but having issues. The most I get is "syslinux 3.71 debian-2008-09-06 CBIOS load error - boot error". Anyone have an idea what's going on? |
| 17:16.33 | ajavid | wtf |
| 17:16.50 | cuco | whats wrong? |
| 17:17.09 | nan8 | Element14: and do you expect your clients to be friendly? |
| 17:17.20 | ajavid | weird |
| 17:17.24 | nan8 | Element14: => you classify based on ports? |
| 17:17.43 | \amethyst | ajavid: it's not called kdebase anymore |
| 17:17.47 | cuco | sid is listed twise |
| 17:17.53 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:17.55 | doudou | yes i have ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3450, so what should i do? |
| 17:18.01 | \amethyst | ajavid: never mind, I'm dumb |
| 17:18.10 | Element14 | nan8: yes. my strategy (i'm actually reinstalling an old router) was to have a blanket limit for all ports except a select few |
| 17:18.19 | Element14 | which was good enough |
| 17:18.26 | doudou | ajavid, what is a JVM? |
| 17:18.46 | Element14 | i mean, if i expect clients to be 100% friendly then i'd throttle it on the client side which would be much much easier |
| 17:18.50 | IamSOG | Is there a way to see what packages are loaded at the background at start up ? |
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| 17:20.12 | nan8 | Element14: there shouldn't be a problem to reuse your old config? |
| 17:20.15 | nkuttler | IamSOG: packages? |
| 17:20.21 | wizl | !fixmbr |
| 17:20.21 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
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| 17:21.02 | Element14 | nan8: right, but http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500594 :-/ |
| 17:21.15 | Element14 | as i said, i could pull it back from etch |
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| 17:21.43 | Element14 | but i was thinking whether i have other options (which don't require me to pages and pages of docs) |
| 17:21.52 | nan8 | Element14: it don't know that package - was it tc based or some complete different thing (user space?)? |
| 17:22.02 | nan8 | Element14: ~s/it/i |
| 17:22.17 | Element14 | it's a helper script using CBQ iproute those things |
| 17:22.20 | wizl | chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh .. why? |
| 17:22.50 | \amethyst | wizl: does the directory you're chrooting into contain a bin/sh ? |
| 17:23.20 | wizl | not that i know |
| 17:23.24 | nan8 | Element14: => no problem to reuse it |
| 17:23.29 | \amethyst | wizl: that's why |
| 17:23.35 | nan8 | Element14: all those scripts just call tc in the end |
| 17:24.00 | nan8 | Element14: the real problem is, that you should know what you (want to) do |
| 17:24.07 | \amethyst | wizl: chroot does the exec() after chrooting, so the executable is looked up inside the chroot, not the main root |
| 17:24.11 | IamSOG | nkuttler, I mean like softwares |
| 17:24.31 | nan8 | Element14: your case is quite simple (as you don't want to shape the traffic of the router itself) |
| 17:25.09 | nan8 | Element14: I use the htb qdisc |
| 17:25.14 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:25.45 | nkuttler | IamSOG: at boot time? |
| 17:26.03 | Element14 | nan8: actually my main problem is that i want to learn a little bit about traffic control, but i'm not prepared to become a network engineer :) |
| 17:26.36 | phorce1 | craigevil: The .deb from adobe's site installed fine on Lenny and was working fine until yesterday. I'm trying to figure out if something changed in IceWeasel that broke it. Maybe the last xulrunner uupdate |
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| 17:26.44 | doudou | seems that if i run in xterm eclipse run java -jar /usr/lib/eclipse/startup.jar |
| 17:26.55 | IamSOG | ya nkuttler at boot time, like gdm loaded at boot, I want to see what softwares are loaded at start up |
| 17:27.14 | nkuttler | IamSOG: install rcconf and run it |
| 17:27.48 | Element14 | nan8: by the way, it looks like sfq is sufficient for my needs? |
| 17:28.14 | Element14 | i just don't want my connection to lag when i get some burst uploads |
| 17:28.21 | IamSOG | thanks nkuttler will try :D thanks |
| 17:29.02 | nan8 | Element14: no (at least not if it hasn't changed dramatically) |
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| 17:29.19 | Element14 | :( |
| 17:29.22 | nan8 | Element14: sfq is classless |
| 17:29.51 | nan8 | Element14: you will have to read some bits - i am sorry |
| 17:30.01 | nan8 | Element14: lartc isn't that bad as a start |
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| 17:30.43 | careta | let's say i install a package and then remove it without --purge. if install the same package from source, can i purge the residual config in synaptic without breaking the package? |
| 17:31.07 | nan8 | Element14: if you want to start out really simple - you also can stay with the default qdisc and only change the tos/dscp |
| 17:31.29 | nan8 | Element14: but this isn't really good enough |
| 17:31.42 | xingu | Element14: fyi: "wondershaper" is a good place to start in terms of tc syntax |
| 17:31.51 | \amethyst | careta: if the source package uses the same config file locations, probably not. Purging will remove the files that are listed as config files in the package, and doesn't know that they actually came from your install-from-source |
| 17:31.59 | wizl | \amethyst i did mkdir newboot; mount -t ext3 /dev/sda |
| 17:32.08 | nan8 | Element14: and to be really successfull your connection to the internet is the key - you want to be the slowest part => prevent buffering upstream |
| 17:32.24 | careta | ok \amethyst thanks |
| 17:33.02 | Element14 | nan8: i guess i'll need to do some actual experiments to understand what you mean (kinda lost :) |
| 17:33.28 | Element14 | xingu: i'll take a look at that..... (i checked it out before asking here, and from the site it seems that it hasn't been updated for years) |
| 17:33.40 | xingu | Element14: hasn't really needed to be |
| 17:34.56 | Element14 | xingu: hmm then i might actually just use that thing and forget about the low level tc stuff (which i guess would take a while for me to understand :() |
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| 17:37.00 | wizl | damn is this is so complicated to understand:D |
| 17:38.29 | xingu | Element14: personally I prefer getting such things off the host completely and doing it with a bit of weighted random discard love on the edge router itself; mqc has made this (classify->queue->police) pretty easy to do under ios |
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| 17:39.02 | xingu | Element14: I realise this is a luxury not everyone has, and it's totally OT for here, so I'll keep my opinions to myself on that score ;) |
| 17:39.11 | Element14 | xingu: i have no idea what you are talking about :) |
| 17:39.32 | Element14 | i'll take a look at mqc *if* i have the time later :) |
| 17:39.49 | Element14 | for now, i'll just be busy getting wondershaper working :) |
| 17:40.29 | S[h]O[r]T | im trying to re-compile the initrd.gz from the latest lenny netboot so I can insert the newest igb driver since the one that comes with the latest does not support the new supermicro boards for nethalem, i found plenty of tutorials on how to rebuild the initrd, the issue I'm having is building the driver agaisnt the specific installer kernel as currently the installer is unable to load the module because I believe i'm compiling on a slightly different |
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| 17:40.35 | xingu | Element14: https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-1366 |
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| 17:46.05 | GreesMunkie | Bought a new video card recently (ATI) and now alsa wants to use it instead of my Audigy 2 as the sound card. Alsaconf is gone and /etc/alsa is empty. How do I configure things? |
| 17:46.55 | IamSOG | um.. could someone tell me which one is the bot? I can't seems to locate him now lol there are like 919 people in this channel |
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| 17:47.12 | IamSOG | oh wait, is it debhelper ? |
| 17:47.21 | IamSOG | !debian |
| 17:47.21 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:47.21 | cahoot | GreesMunkie: one way is to give the audigy module index 0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 17:47.27 | IamSOG | Oh! I got it |
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| 17:47.42 | Element14 | xingu: the wondershaper looks good enough :) ( i'll take a look at the tc stuff when i'm in the mood for it later ) |
| 17:47.45 | Element14 | thanks all |
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| 17:49.10 | GreesMunkie | cahoo:, Files you mention have been configured before the swap out and it used to work. Only since adding the new video card did this happen. /proc/asound/cards doesn't even list the audigy anymore while the modules are loaded. |
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| 17:49.27 | GreesMunkie | cahoo=cahoot |
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| 17:50.12 | cahoot | GreesMunkie: then I've no clue |
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| 17:51.32 | cahoot | GreesMunkie: no error/complaint in dmesg when you modprobe snd-emu10k? |
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| 17:52.06 | paxcoder | does debian package info fetch homepage and such (and description for that matter) from fsf's free software directory? |
| 17:52.25 | GreesMunkie | cahoot: dunno, module gets loaded auto at boot |
| 17:52.35 | \amethyst | paxcoder: no, the package info is provided by the maintainer |
| 17:52.50 | \amethyst | paxcoder: some maintainers may get the info from there, but that's up to them |
| 17:53.00 | cahoot | GreesMunkie: modprobe -r snd-emu10k; modprobe snd-emu10k; dmesg |
| 17:53.25 | paxcoder | \amethyst: kthx |
| 17:53.52 | GreesMunkie | cahoot: thanks I get this "cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-1), error: -16" |
| 17:54.12 | GreesMunkie | cahoot: then EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:00:09.0 failed with error -16 |
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| 17:57.01 | heavenquake | not actually a debian-question, but I figure some of you might know anyway: is it possible to disable detection of keyboards when booting my server? |
| 17:57.31 | heavenquake | the machine is not ancient, but quite outdated, so the bios is probably not as fancy as I'd like it to be |
| 17:58.19 | nkuttler | heavenquake: afaik no. maybe not compiling keyboard support into the kernel is possible though. |
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| 17:58.58 | heavenquake | nkuttler: this is at bios level. when starting the computer, right after it counts RAM, the bios complains and won't continue if there is no keyboard |
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| 17:59.19 | doudou | i need java version "1.6.0_10" or something like that, how should i proceed? |
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| 17:59.30 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 18:00.50 | wizl | can somebody help me with restoring grub? |
| 18:01.01 | wizl | after i mount i can't do chroot |
| 18:01.11 | jelly-home | !tell doudou -about install java |
| 18:01.29 | jelly-home | doudou: use the sun-java6-* packages |
| 18:01.38 | nkuttler | wizl: why not? |
| 18:01.59 | wizl | i get: "chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: no such file or directory" |
| 18:02.04 | wizl | i have no idea what this means |
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| 18:02.37 | doudou | java6-sdk or java6-runtime? |
| 18:02.39 | nkuttler | well, what does ls /mountpoint/bin/sh say? |
| 18:02.43 | nkuttler | wizl: ^^ |
| 18:02.52 | paxcoder | hey, I've recently installed a KDE prog called filelight on my GNOME (a prog that draws charts of disk space usage), and have since removed it, now when i try to open, eg. my Home folder *from the menu* (-> Places), it tries to use filelight instead of nautilus for some reason. any idea what to do? |
| 18:02.56 | doudou | i may need to read something about java first |
| 18:03.00 | jelly-home | doudou: depends on what you need it for |
| 18:03.18 | heavenquake | doudou: if you need to ask you probably want runtime |
| 18:03.49 | wizl | nkuttler doesnt exist:> |
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| 18:03.54 | nkuttler | wizl: or just use a grub floppy/cd to boot and install from the system |
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| 18:04.26 | doudou | i hava a jar that i want to install, they wrote i need sun 1.6 and not openjdk |
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| 18:04.59 | wizl | nkuttler ok.. |
| 18:05.34 | nkuttler | wizl: how come your chroot doesn't have /bin/sh anyway? that's wrong.. |
| 18:05.51 | wizl | i have no idea |
| 18:06.12 | doudou | i need java-6-sun file |
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| 18:06.58 | simonrvn | you mounted the wrong partition? |
| 18:07.15 | simonrvn | has done that with hilarious consequences |
| 18:07.18 | jelly-home | wizl: is there anything in the mounted filesystem /bin? does it look like a debian root filesystem? |
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| 18:07.40 | wizl | yes |
| 18:08.09 | wizl | there is a lot of things.. |
| 18:08.54 | jelly-home | wizl: can you pastebin the output of ls -l /your/mountpoint |
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| 18:10.38 | Element14 | wizl: when some libraries (eg. libc) required by the executable (i.e. sh) is not present on the chroot system, it shows that error too |
| 18:10.57 | wizl | jelly-home: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root date.. /dev/sda1 -> scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
| 18:11.44 | jelly-home | wizl: mountpoint = the directory where you mounted it |
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| 18:12.33 | wizl | well there is a lot initrd, vmlinuz, grub .. |
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| 18:12.50 | wizl | i cant pastebin.. |
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| 18:13.15 | magooz | hi all |
| 18:14.09 | jelly-home | wizl: that sounds like a /boot partition, not a root one |
| 18:14.19 | jelly-home | !win simonrvn |
| 18:14.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 18:14.43 | wizl | so i mounted the wrong one? |
| 18:14.50 | simonrvn | yay spam. |
| 18:15.10 | magooz | I've a question about module assistant... |
| 18:15.20 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 18:15.21 | magooz | I need to pass a parameter to make |
| 18:15.51 | magooz | how can I tell m-a to pass it to make? |
| 18:16.11 | nkuttler | wizl: that sounds like your /boot/ |
| 18:16.18 | wizl | yea |
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| 18:16.32 | nkuttler | wizl: chroot into / ... and mount your boot in there as well |
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| 18:17.20 | nkuttler | actually, i'm not 100% sure that works, i'd use my supergrub cd |
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| 18:18.15 | simonrvn | magooz: that's why there's a manual |
| 18:18.48 | doudou | i type aptitude java6-runtime and i get ...http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main openjdk-6-jre-lib |
| 18:19.02 | doudou | exactly what i did not want? |
| 18:19.23 | simonrvn | of course it'll work, just have to do it either manually, or within the chroot |
| 18:19.29 | magooz | simonrvn, man m-a doesn't says anything about make parameters |
| 18:19.34 | magooz | neither google |
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| 18:20.13 | doudou | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.14 | simonrvn | what does google have to do with a man page? |
| 18:20.14 | doudou | Prendre : 9 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-bengali-fonts 1:0.5.4 [439kB] |
| 18:20.16 | doudou | Prendre : 10 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-devanagari-fonts 1:0.5.4 [1647kB] |
| 18:20.18 | doudou | Prendre : 11 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-gujarati-fonts 1:0.5.4 [288kB] |
| 18:20.20 | craigevil | doudou: apttitude install sun-java6-jre you need non-free in your sources.list |
| 18:20.20 | doudou | Prendre : 12 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-kannada-fonts 1:0.5.4 [513kB] |
| 18:20.22 | doudou | Prendre : 13 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-malayalam-fonts 1:0.5.4 [777kB] |
| 18:20.24 | doudou | Prendre : 14 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-oriya-fonts 1:0.5.4 [200kB] |
| 18:20.26 | doudou | Prendre : 15 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-punjabi-fonts 1:0.5.4 [69,6kB] |
| 18:20.28 | doudou | Prendre : 16 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-tamil-fonts 1:0.5.4 [398kB] |
| 18:20.31 | doudou | Prendre : 17 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-telugu-fonts 1:0.5.4 [275kB] |
| 18:20.34 | heavenquake | is it possible to detect the local-net ip address of, say, ssh-enabled machines on my network? I want to "guess" my servers ip without attaching a monitor |
| 18:20.36 | doudou | Prendre : 18 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-indic-fonts 1:0.5.4 [6686B] |
| 18:20.39 | doudou | Prendre : 19 http://debian.co.il lenny/main ttf-kochi-gothic 1.0.20030809-8 [4578kB] |
| 18:21.12 | doudou | aptitude did not proposed that option, and i dont want all this ttf, my computer is not your trash, cant you understand that point? |
| 18:21.23 | magooz | sorry, I would say that I googled how to pass parameters to make with m-a |
| 18:21.34 | peppe | heavenquake: nmap |
| 18:21.51 | petemc | heavenquake: nmap -p 22 192.160.1.0/24 |
| 18:21.52 | hark | !tell doudou about paste |
| 18:21.58 | heavenquake | thanks |
| 18:22.13 | doudou | why cant you get rid of those stupid assumers, and start something correct |
| 18:22.29 | doudou | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.30 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/pl/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.32 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/fr/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.34 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/pl.UTF-8/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.36 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/ko/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.38 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/vi/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
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| 18:22.54 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/it.ISO8859-1/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.54 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/tr/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.55 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/zh_TW/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.55 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/fi/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:22.55 | craigevil | kick him already |
| 18:22.55 | multi_io | stop it |
| 18:22.55 | doudou | /usr/bin/mandb: impossible d'écrire dans /var/cache/man/id/12230: Aucun espace disponible sur le périphérique |
| 18:23.05 | Qew | ... |
| 18:23.14 | wizl | :D |
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| 18:24.10 | simonrvn | this is why i have him on ignore... |
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| 18:26.38 | heavenquake | I found my server, thanks |
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| 18:28.59 | B1ST | hello guys, i just installed debian, i did aptitude install xserver-xorg but when i try to do startx it says command not found, what did i wrong? |
| 18:29.42 | hark | B1ST: install xorg |
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| 18:29.53 | B1ST | and remove xserver-xorg? |
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| 18:30.46 | hark | no, just install xorg |
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| 18:31.10 | B1ST | busy |
| 18:31.31 | hark | very |
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| 18:31.36 | Bloodkil | Hey |
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| 18:32.00 | Bloodkil | I'm having problems with boost at the moment |
| 18:32.01 | VooDooNOFX | see, lots of people |
| 18:32.50 | Bloodkil | on my Debian server |
| 18:33.09 | Bloodkil | VooDoo, i'm not too sure how to describe the probelm |
| 18:33.25 | VooDooNOFX | pastebin the compile errors |
| 18:33.41 | VooDooNOFX | and your apt-get output of boost installed libs. |
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| 18:34.31 | jesseboy | how would I download debian etch |
| 18:34.38 | jesseboy | and only use the packages in that distro |
| 18:35.35 | quitte | jesseboy: etch is still on the mirrors. some looking in the directory hierarchy and you will find install media |
| 18:35.54 | quitte | but why? |
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| 18:36.48 | Bloodkil | VooDoo, what do you mean apt-get output |
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| 18:38.19 | TrickFinlay2 | is there a #debian-sparc? |
| 18:38.33 | quitte | probably on oftc |
| 18:38.43 | jesseboy | quitte: i want it because HP wrote all their tools for their servers for etch |
| 18:38.49 | jesseboy | 4.0 |
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| 18:39.23 | Bloodkil | VooDoo? |
| 18:39.37 | quitte | jesseboy: chances are good that they still work with lenny |
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| 18:40.00 | jesseboy | yah, i've had issues |
| 18:40.06 | jesseboy | doing that |
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| 18:40.16 | jesseboy | some of the packages work some don't |
| 18:40.22 | jesseboy | hard to get a complete install |
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| 18:41.09 | jesseboy | that is the one thing I like about windows. you run an installer and things are ready to go. debian comes the closest to that with apt-get but windows has that down well. |
| 18:42.06 | quitte | have you ever tried windows with user seperation? |
| 18:42.30 | simonrvn | i have... ugh |
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| 18:44.14 | Bloodkil | Hey All |
| 18:44.23 | Bloodkil | I'm having compile problems at the moment |
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| 18:44.38 | Bloodkil | can i link the compile error in pastebin to here? |
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| 18:44.56 | quitte | yes |
| 18:45.10 | Bloodkil | http://pastebin.com/m1c57d183 |
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| 18:45.30 | Bloodkil | i'm still confused as to what it means |
| 18:45.46 | Bloodkil | and why it's doing, and i've been told it's something to do with 'Boost' |
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| 18:46.17 | quitte | it's the first error that counts. please include that |
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| 18:46.32 | spvensko | hello, does anyone here use the openbox + pypanel combo? |
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| 18:48.33 | Bloodkil | ok now look quitte |
| 18:50.32 | quitte | spvensko: /msg dpkg poll |
| 18:50.48 | Bloodkil | ? |
| 18:50.54 | Bloodkil | know whats wrong? |
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| 18:51.22 | spvensko | quitte, i apologize :) |
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| 18:51.34 | quitte | Bloodkil: I don't have any more information than before |
| 18:51.54 | spvensko | does anyone here use openbox + pypanel and have experience using stuff like gnome-network-manager and such and can confirm that they work seamlessly with pypanel? |
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| 18:52.47 | quitte | now that's a hidden poll. why don't you try and ask when you have an actual problem? |
| 18:53.24 | paxcoder | spvensko: 64 bits? |
| 18:53.31 | spvensko | 32 bits |
| 18:53.33 | simonrvn | too much work |
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| 18:54.00 | spvensko | quitte, i, honestly, find you quite annoying but i know you're doing what's best for the channel and freenode by telling me off, and i respect that, i'll return if i have a real problem :) |
| 18:55.09 | quitte | thank you :) |
| 18:55.16 | quitte | i'm quite amused |
| 18:55.19 | paxcoder | spvensko: dunno.my network manager reported "not connected" falsely. after the update few days ago, it disappeared completely from the panel (in GNOME), but at least now my other progs like Epiphany and Lifearea don't think they're disconnected. [testing, amd64] |
| 18:56.01 | nkuttler | gnome nm is that crap that interferes with /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:56.16 | heavenquake | what could the problem be if people can ping my IP, but get a connection timeout when trying to visit the ip with a browser? (my external ip has port 80 on my server forwarded in the router, and I've activated loopback to be able to test at home too. Neither the domain nor the external ip works WWW-wise, but it pings just fine) |
| 18:56.51 | quitte | nkuttler: no. network-manager does not manage interfaces that are managed by network/interfaces |
| 18:57.00 | quitte | at least it's supposed to |
| 18:57.58 | nkuttler | hm, i only have vague meories of using it. might be wrong. |
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| 19:00.15 | kantor | hi, I have a problem with ALSA. This problem appeared a few days ago. I can not control the volume from the PCM. Muting the PCM volume has no effect. This is in debian etch. However in lenny PCM volume control is working fine. |
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| 19:03.25 | magooz | bye everyone, many thanks |
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| 19:07.54 | mac123 | hi need some help partioning my HDD which is in raid 0 |
| 19:09.04 | maxy | I have created a script that appends a directory to my LIBRARY_PATH, PKG_CONFIG_PATH, KDEDIRS, CPATH, etc. environment variables. Now I'm sure not the only one who does this - is there a debian package or tool for that? |
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| 19:10.59 | NicoOOoOo | X a planté |
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| 19:13.34 | phorce1 | flash working again. library confusion from moving /home a few days ago. |
| 19:13.43 | mogunus | Hello. Could someone point me at some official documentation for setting up a wifi access point with WPA2 under lenny? |
| 19:14.01 | mogunus | I've been googling a bunch but can't find anything other than third party tutorials etc. |
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| 19:15.25 | iluminator101 | hi i need help install flash non free on icecat |
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| 19:16.03 | iluminator101 | i have flash non free...and its not working on icecat |
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| 19:19.58 | adb | icecat ? |
| 19:20.42 | Hellscream | hi evr1? im currently switching from mint to linux & would like to know if i need all 5 debian dvds? |
| 19:20.55 | Hellscream | ***mint to debian |
| 19:20.59 | nkuttler | !tell Hellscream about netinst |
| 19:21.29 | iluminator101 | icecat its iceweasel but newer |
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| 19:21.50 | Hellscream | i heard about netinst, but im going to install it on several pcs, netinst would be a waste of bandwidth dont you think? |
| 19:22.04 | iluminator101 | also anyone get ricoh sd card to work on debian |
| 19:22.08 | patrikf | Hellscream: you can set up apt-cacher on one of them, then |
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| 19:22.48 | adb | judd: versions icecat |
| 19:22.49 | judd | adb: icecat -- |
| 19:22.52 | Hellscream | well ok, i look into that |
| 19:23.22 | craigevil | iluminator101: how is icecat 3.0.9 newer than iceweasel 3.0.11 |
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| 19:26.20 | craigevil | iluminator101: as for the plugins copy or symlink /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to where ever the icecat /plugin is located |
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| 19:30.35 | Led_Zeppelin | I have a user who is keep logging into my box. I want to see his activities. How would I do that? I want to see what he is typing on the shell |
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| 19:31.16 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: You can't really. |
| 19:31.18 | nkuttler | Led_Zeppelin: ttysnoop |
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| 19:31.25 | lvh | Oh, sorry, didn't know that. |
| 19:31.35 | heavenquake | can't you look in his .bashhistory? |
| 19:31.39 | lvh | Does that work for ssh though? |
| 19:32.01 | Led_Zeppelin | eh, he is cleaning up his tracks |
| 19:32.06 | Led_Zeppelin | basically, I got a hacker on my webserver |
| 19:32.10 | Led_Zeppelin | trying to catch this guy... |
| 19:32.14 | Led_Zeppelin | he is online the system now... |
| 19:32.23 | heavenquake | block his ip with iptables? |
| 19:32.42 | lvh | heavenquake: Meh, lasts as long as the next zombie box he can find |
| 19:32.49 | Led_Zeppelin | heapify, I think thats the best way... |
| 19:32.49 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: Do you know how he got in? |
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| 19:32.59 | heavenquake | assassination is also an option, of course |
| 19:33.02 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, no idea. He is logged into a shell now |
| 19:33.03 | wizl | when i do grub-install /dev/sda i get error: "line 374: [: =: unary operator expected" - this should mean what exactly? |
| 19:33.03 | Led_Zeppelin | ssh |
| 19:33.08 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: Remember, compromised boxes are comprised. That means: find problem, fix, reinstall. |
| 19:33.15 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: What account? |
| 19:33.28 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: and is that account privileged? If so, to what? |
| 19:33.34 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, some user account. I am trying to find the problem so I can reinstall |
| 19:33.49 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, not privledged, but he can still do stuff on our machine |
| 19:33.56 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: Like what? |
| 19:34.12 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: ulimit choking time. |
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| 19:34.28 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: So you don't know how he got in? If it's a user account, how do you know it's malicious? |
| 19:34.38 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: Look at his bashhistory to figure out what he's been doing |
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| 19:35.07 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, he added himself to sudoers, so he DID have full access |
| 19:35.08 | Led_Zeppelin | jerk! |
| 19:35.11 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: also consult your favorite out of (ps, top, htop) for what processes he's running |
| 19:35.14 | heavenquake | shite |
| 19:35.24 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: *does*. |
| 19:35.32 | Led_Zeppelin | yah does |
| 19:35.33 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
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| 19:35.56 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: Can the original owner of the account still log in? |
| 19:36.04 | nkuttler | Led_Zeppelin: wow, how could he add himself to sudoers? your system was already broken before he got in.. |
| 19:36.04 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, yes |
| 19:36.12 | Led_Zeppelin | nkuttler, :-( |
| 19:36.16 | Led_Zeppelin | i need some schooling |
| 19:36.16 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 19:36.19 | tux-foo | I have a core2duo, can I use ia64? Does it disable me to install certain (maybe just-x86 packages) packages via apt-get? |
| 19:36.19 | lvh | Led_Zeppelin: Eh? So he didn't change the password? |
| 19:36.28 | Led_Zeppelin | he probally has a key |
| 19:36.29 | tux-foo | I am an gentoo user atm. |
| 19:36.32 | nkuttler | lvh: why would he do that? attract attention? |
| 19:36.47 | lvh | nkuttler: He added himself to sudoers. |
| 19:36.51 | heavenquake | lvh: perhaps he didn't want to be busted prematurely by a user complaining that he can't login :) |
| 19:36.57 | lvh | nkuttler: I mean, really. |
| 19:37.08 | nkuttler | user: "I can't login" vs. some file in /etc/ ... |
| 19:37.10 | Led_Zeppelin | err |
| 19:37.13 | tux-foo | *am a gentoo user |
| 19:37.33 | nkuttler | if he is root he can mess with the kernel and show/hide what he wants |
| 19:37.40 | lvh | I'm just saying: if he can log in as that user, and the user can still log in, then for some reason you let that user log in without a password |
| 19:37.44 | nkuttler | disconnect from the net, reinstall |
| 19:37.51 | heavenquake | change the root password and remove him from sudoers? |
| 19:37.57 | nkuttler | that won't change anyting |
| 19:38.10 | lvh | 21:32 < lvh> Led_Zeppelin: Remember, compromised boxes are comprised. That means: find problem, fix, reinstall. |
| 19:38.14 | nkuttler | kernel, services, anything can be compromised |
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| 19:38.30 | lvh | what services are running on that box anyway |
| 19:38.42 | wizl | when i do grub-install /dev/sda i get error: "line 374: [: =: unary operator expected" - this should mean what exactly? |
| 19:38.46 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, agreed! |
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| 19:38.54 | Led_Zeppelin | lvh, apache, thats all |
| 19:38.59 | nkuttler | Led_Zeppelin: i'd guess he's already launching attacks from your bocks |
| 19:39.02 | nkuttler | box, doh |
| 19:39.05 | enouf | tux-foo: no, ia64 is for itanium cpus only |
| 19:39.13 | Led_Zeppelin | nkuttler, exactly. He was. He had a process running |
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| 19:39.27 | tux-foo | enouf, So i need amd64? |
| 19:39.35 | enouf | tux-foo: debian amd64 == x86_64 |
| 19:39.43 | heavenquake | sudo on a server is a bad idea anyway |
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| 19:39.46 | eptalon | heyas |
| 19:39.48 | ed__ | My friend updated the system with squeeze and sid repos enabled and now it's mixed up with all kinds of crap. How can I dongrade back to lenny? |
| 19:40.00 | tux-foo | enouf, ah, yes, gentoo only has amd64 I think (dunno, always used x86 there). |
| 19:40.07 | eptalon | the same set of files takes different amounts of space depending on the fs? |
| 19:40.08 | heavenquake | ed__: the safe way is to make a fresh lenny install |
| 19:40.23 | tux-foo | enouf, so ia64 is some scientific arch? Or maybe commercial? |
| 19:40.26 | enouf | tux-foo: debian i386 == 32bit (-486 and -686 and -bigmem kernels avail) |
| 19:40.34 | enouf | !ia64 |
| 19:40.34 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 19:40.48 | nkuttler | eptalon: can even differ on the same filesystem |
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| 19:41.38 | tux-foo | enouf, kk, that's clear. Now, does it disable me to install certain pack's via apt-get when using amd64? |
| 19:41.38 | eptalon | nkuttler: fragmentation? |
| 19:42.08 | ed__ | heavenquake: Hmm. Oh well, I guess Debian wasn't his cup of tea anyway |
| 19:42.13 | nkuttler | eptalon: don't know about that, but blocksize etc |
| 19:42.16 | yuriy_koles | plz, help me solve bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534136 |
| 19:42.17 | ed__ | heavenquake: WHat about the unsafe way? |
| 19:42.38 | eptalon | nkuttler: copied my 822G (xfs) to hfs+ (866G). now copying back to 800G (xfs again); am I making a wromng assumption |
| 19:42.41 | yuriy_koles | my system is broken I can not install or remove any package |
| 19:42.43 | heavenquake | ed__: trying to alter sources.list to lenny repos and dist-upgrade |
| 19:42.49 | ed__ | Thanks heavenquake |
| 19:43.09 | heavenquake | backup first |
| 19:43.14 | heavenquake | it might well go very, very wrong |
| 19:43.15 | eptalon | nkuttler: I had 25G free before that. |
| 19:43.43 | ed__ | heavenquake: thanks |
| 19:43.44 | nkuttler | yuriy_koles: the subprocess installed pre-removal script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, fix it |
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| 19:46.03 | enouf | tux-foo: some specific Desktop apps might be an issue |
| 19:46.04 | BenBE | Quick Question: Is there a Debian Testing NetInstall image available? And if yes: Where to DL? |
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| 19:46.41 | eptalon | BenBE: there are weekly installer builds. |
| 19:46.54 | enouf | tux-foo: used to be Flash, Java and some others - but i think if you don't care about proprietary versions, then they have atleast Betas avail (adobe and java) |
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| 19:47.05 | enouf | (for 64bit) |
| 19:47.11 | E-bola | If i got a bunch of files named es-test1.txt es-test2.txt etc How can i rename them all to include a d so it becomes: esd-test1.txt etc? |
| 19:47.21 | yuriy_koles | __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version |
| 19:47.37 | lvh | BenBE: google for 'debian-installer' |
| 19:47.39 | enouf | tux-foo: same with nvidia 3d drivers, and such - possibly some Audio codecs? though IINM in DMM, there w64codecs |
| 19:47.45 | BenBE | eptalon Thanks. |
| 19:47.48 | enouf | !w32codecs |
| 19:47.48 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 19:47.56 | enouf | !w64codecs |
| 19:47.58 | BenBE | lvh Thanks, Guess I found it: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:47.59 | yuriy_koles | have to add field Python-Version? |
| 19:48.01 | adb | BenBE: use stable , install only base system , and upgrade later |
| 19:48.09 | enouf | !listvals w64 codecs |
| 19:48.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'w64 codecs' by value returned no results. |
| 19:48.12 | nkuttler | yuriy_koles: iirc yes |
| 19:48.15 | enouf | bah |
| 19:48.26 | BenBE | adb Wanted to avoid this for cleaner system. |
| 19:48.36 | eptalon | enouf: windows and 64 bit is usually contradictory. |
| 19:48.45 | nkuttler | yuriy_koles: i think you might find a fix if you google that error, remember seeing it recently |
| 19:48.47 | enouf | judd versions w64codecs |
| 19:48.47 | judd | enouf: w64codecs -- |
| 19:49.00 | enouf | eptalon: not in linux :-p |
| 19:49.07 | adb | BenBE: testing install may have some issue , so ... |
| 19:49.22 | tux-foo | enouf, ah, sounds like: 'try and see' :P |
| 19:49.29 | enouf | tux-foo: yes ;-) |
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| 19:51.51 | bmh | I'm getting the error "Errror for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A)" when using iwconfig: > iwconfig wlan0 key s:1four477 |
| 19:52.01 | enouf | tux-foo: wiki.debian.org and dpkg the channel bot knows much - /msg dkg grounding ; /msg dpkg dmm ; /msg dpkg flash ; /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper ; /msg dpkg flashplugin-nonfree (see debian-reference from 1st one) |
| 19:52.07 | wizl | ffs what is wrong with grub-install |
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| 19:52.15 | tux-foo | enouf, kk, thanx |
| 19:52.16 | Vladimir[LV] | Hello! How i can install MSSQL module for php on ubuntu? |
| 19:52.27 | nkuttler | Vladimir[LV]: #ubuntu |
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| 19:52.34 | enouf | wizl: use the grub shell |
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| 19:52.44 | wizl | cant |
| 19:52.46 | Hellscream | any1 here from south africa? |
| 19:53.09 | enouf | http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC9 wizl |
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| 19:55.31 | enouf | wizl: less -N `which grub-install` |
| 19:55.32 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.58 | enouf | seems it doesn't like XFS, or something |
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| 19:57.45 | enouf | wizl: have you tried what "/msg dpkg rescue mode" tells you? (If native install from grub shell gives you issues as well) |
| 19:57.59 | nkuttler | wizl: i don't think = is allowd in there |
| 19:58.21 | enouf | otherwise, that unary operator error is indicative of a 32bit vs 64bit issue ... not sure though |
| 19:58.53 | nkuttler | takes that back after a rtfm |
| 19:59.06 | enouf | heh |
| 19:59.21 | enouf | self-imposition is the best thing ;-) |
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| 20:01.57 | heavenquake | how do I check if my processor supports 64bit? |
| 20:02.06 | alkyC | if its new |
| 20:02.08 | alkyC | it probably does |
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| 20:02.45 | wozL | enouf i will try now this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 20:02.53 | multi_io | is the userspace nfs daemon completely unmaintained by now? |
| 20:02.54 | heavenquake | alkyC: it's not new. Not ancient either. So I'm in doubt |
| 20:03.35 | heavenquake | it's from around 2004 or something |
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| 20:04.17 | alkyC | what processor is it? |
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| 20:05.16 | Vonor | o/ |
| 20:05.27 | alkyC | nazi |
| 20:05.45 | Vonor | i have the 5.01 multiarch dvd and wonder why it doesn't have ext4 support at install time |
| 20:05.58 | Vonor | alkyC, i hope for you you didn't call _me_ that. |
| 20:06.03 | yuriy_koles | debian kernel in lenny amd64 us pathced with tux on ice? |
| 20:06.14 | alkyC | Vonor, yeah. thats a nazi salute |
| 20:06.14 | yuriy_koles | us->is |
| 20:06.22 | heavenquake | alkyC: according to /proc/cpuinfo it's an AMD Sempron |
| 20:06.41 | alkyC | http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_11541,00.html |
| 20:06.42 | alkyC | find it |
| 20:06.48 | Vonor | alkyC, it's a damn arm waving hello |
| 20:06.57 | alkyC | or so you say |
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| 20:07.14 | alkyC | thats what they told the kids back in germany |
| 20:07.17 | alkyC | to encourange them to say it |
| 20:07.18 | alkyC | xD |
| 20:07.24 | alkyC | s/say/do |
| 20:07.33 | wozL | ehh |
| 20:07.53 | Vonor | alkyC, stfu with that crap please, ok? I am german and know very well what the nazis did...no need for you to remind me |
| 20:08.12 | heavenquake | let's all calm down and have some icecream, alright? |
| 20:08.23 | alkyC | wow. talk about bad timing. didn't know you was aha |
| 20:08.27 | alkyC | meant nothing by it |
| 20:09.05 | Vonor | o/ is a simple greeting we use in #planeshift all the time, has absolutely nothing to do with pre-democratic germany |
| 20:09.19 | adb | heavenquake: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:09.20 | Vonor | besides it's a roman greeting :P |
| 20:09.43 | adb | Ave Caesar |
| 20:09.44 | alkyC | Vonor, i know lol, i would have said it to anyone using o/ :p |
| 20:09.52 | craigevil | Vonor: ext4 isnt on the install disk because lenny has 2.6.26 and you need at least 2.6.29 for ext4 |
| 20:09.58 | heavenquake | adb: blank return. alkyC: according to both your link and wikipedia, it has AMD64 support |
| 20:10.14 | alkyC | googles a wonderful tool amirite? |
| 20:10.33 | heavenquake | alkyC: google is the devil |
| 20:10.45 | heavenquake | it tempts us with shiny things and takes our souls |
| 20:10.58 | alkyC | i just use it to seach stuff |
| 20:11.01 | alkyC | dunno about you mate |
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| 20:11.10 | Vonor | craigevil, wasn't there ext4 support in 2.6.26 already? I remember to have seen extdev at least there and i think i remember a backport from ext stable to 2.6.26 from the debian guys? |
| 20:11.17 | heavenquake | alkyC: don't tell me you've never performed a Google Ritual! |
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| 20:11.46 | eptalon | hello there |
| 20:11.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.34 | adb | Vonor: ^^ |
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| 20:12.35 | heavenquake | now we're talking about filesystems - what filesystem is best for servers? just plain ext3 (I don't believe ext4 is in Debian Stable yet :P) or something else? |
| 20:12.56 | eptalon | heavenquake: depends on what you want. |
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| 20:13.07 | craigevil | Vonor: not sure, ext4 is rather unstable even with a 2.6.29, works ok in 2.6.30 and will most likely work great in 2.6.31 |
| 20:13.09 | eptalon | heavenquake: and what you do with the server. |
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| 20:13.33 | heavenquake | eptalon: it probably won't matter, it's just a homeserver for backup, mpd and such |
| 20:14.04 | Vonor | on my funtoo box i used it as root fs and didn't have any problems...but i didn't use it that much as i use my lappy, so can't really compare :) |
| 20:14.20 | eptalon | I use ext3 for boot, and xfs for pretty much everything else. Also, do you want to grow volume size, is it on top of a device mapper (md, lvm); softraid? |
| 20:14.57 | heavenquake | eptalon: I probably won't. it seems like a little overkill for my uses |
| 20:15.11 | eptalon | heavenquake: you dont like your data? |
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| 20:15.57 | eptalon | heavenquake: xfs has the support for snapshots I think; very cheap way to get a backup. |
| 20:16.02 | cemunal | i want to apply a theme to Xfce in my Lenny; is there a suggestion? |
| 20:16.09 | heavenquake | eptalon: it's not like any of it is a matter of national security. I'll probably not like if I lose some of it, but it won't be the end of the world |
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| 20:17.05 | heavenquake | loves splits |
| 20:17.05 | eptalon | heavenquake: ext2/ext3 are realtively slow; xfs/jfs/reiser are faster |
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| 20:17.26 | heavenquake | eptalon: alright. any drawbacks with, say, xfs ? |
| 20:17.39 | khaije|amalt | xfs can grow but can't shrink |
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| 20:17.49 | khaije|amalt | ext3/4 can do both |
| 20:17.49 | wozL | i cant fix this grub problems for 5 hours now..:\ |
| 20:17.54 | eptalon | heavenquake: I used to dislike sudden power outages, but thats mostly fixed. |
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| 20:18.15 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: shrinking an fs is non-trivial. |
| 20:18.24 | khaije|amalt | wozL: whats the prob, there is help on #grub too |
| 20:18.45 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: plus I dsont think anyone would call ext4 stable. |
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| 20:18.52 | khaije|amalt | eptalon: not in the case of ext3/4, it is actually fairly trivial |
| 20:18.55 | khaije|amalt | linus does |
| 20:19.03 | khaije|amalt | i'm using it now |
| 20:19.08 | khaije|amalt | me likey |
| 20:19.20 | paxcoder | "linus does" lol. linus, the master of universe |
| 20:19.25 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: high load, proven record of not losing data? |
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| 20:20.11 | jelly-home | eptalon: if you want a proven record, wait a few years |
| 20:20.11 | wozL | khaije|amalt the problem is i can't reinstall grub.. |
| 20:20.11 | paxcoder | ok, who is googling Michael Jackson again? |
| 20:20.12 | wozL | haha:> |
| 20:20.12 | eptalon | jelly-home: at which point it will be "too slow"? |
| 20:20.27 | khaije|amalt | it has been extensively tested, but when it comes to filesystems i'm not knocking anyone for being conservative |
| 20:20.29 | eptalon | paxcoder: he porbably died of a bad drug cocktail. |
| 20:20.35 | jelly-home | eptalon: that's a new requirement |
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| 20:21.01 | eptalon | jelly-home: "foolproof"? ;) |
| 20:21.06 | jelly-home | prefers reliable over fast |
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| 20:21.27 | paxcoder | i'm sure ext4 doesn't loose data. the implementation might tho ;-) |
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| 20:21.52 | jelly-home | paxcoder: nail that data down, then |
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| 20:22.07 | paxcoder | o.O |
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| 20:22.45 | khaije|amalt | certainly linus isn't the master of the universe, but 2.6.28 wasn't ext4 debut, just it's "stable" debut it's been around for years |
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| 20:23.17 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: do you think by the end of the year we will have phased out ext2? |
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| 20:23.28 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: nvm me, that was just a twitch. |
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| 20:24.05 | khaije|amalt | eptalon: no clue, it's still usefull for some things, but those cases are becoming more corner-cases methinks |
| 20:24.22 | khaije|amalt | well actually, no, the EOL'ing of a FS is a long and tortured process usually |
| 20:24.27 | paxcoder | i wonder why ext is so popular anyway. |
| 20:24.52 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: also whats the performance if you have an atom processor in the box? |
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| 20:25.19 | eptalon | reiserfs still alive? |
| 20:25.53 | paxcoder | !forbidden-words |
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| 20:27.24 | eptalon | so in short: there are a myriad of fses, simply pick one. |
| 20:27.39 | khaije|amalt | eptalon: ext4 is optimized for speed over ext3, but part of that is more aggressive write caching which could be a problem in a sudden power loss situation which is more likely with moible devices |
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| 20:28.07 | khaije|amalt | ext4 isn't necessary the fasted kid of the block, but if you want something as mainline as possible that is quicker it's a solid choice |
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| 20:28.21 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: "more aggressive"? |
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| 20:28.33 | maddash | hi, has there been a solution to the debian unofficial expired gpg key problem? |
| 20:28.40 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: normal file servers have an ups |
| 20:28.58 | khaije|amalt | paxcoder: aggressive might not be the right word, substitute optimized |
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| 20:29.54 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: i'd rather you explain, perhaps in #osdev or #debian-ot ? |
| 20:30.00 | maddash | !debian-unofficial |
| 20:30.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-unofficial is a repository of unofficial packages, not distributed within Debian due to licensing restrictions or political reasons. Installation instructions are at http://www.debian-unofficial.org/installation.html, see http://www.debian-unofficial.org/faq.html regarding archive signing key installation. |
| 20:30.09 | paxcoder | * #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:30.23 | maddash | ^--- someone should update that factoid |
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| 20:30.53 | paxcoder | maddash: ok, someone |
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| 20:31.11 | khaije|amalt | paxcoder: lol i dont think there is a debian-ot (?) |
| 20:31.25 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: search for an asterisk up there ^^ |
| 20:31.49 | paxcoder | #osdev will be fine. |
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| 20:32.08 | maddash | the word "old" always comes to mind |
| 20:32.21 | maddash | really fucking old, as in "fossil" |
| 20:32.25 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:32.38 | paxcoder | hi one |
| 20:33.02 | khaije|amalt | eptalon: you have many choices, however if i were you i'd use ext4 for everything i could and then watch the power mgmt very closely so that yr machine hibernates or suspends on low batt. if you are using ext4 you don't like power drops |
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| 20:33.45 | eptalon | khaije|amalt: I am fine as i am now. |
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| 20:34.39 | eptalon | gah, firewire is slow. usb is slow. |
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| 20:35.37 | khaije|amalt | paxcoder: i got kicked by antitrollbot... !?! |
| 20:35.51 | paxcoder | yeah, I'm asking the same thing in the channel now |
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| 20:37.34 | khaije|amalt | ya ask them why i got kicked... Maybe they are still sensitive after the ext4 flamewars |
| 20:37.36 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: stupid bot. never kicked a real troll, and just now kicked a false positive. |
| 20:38.26 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: noone responds, and considering the request for version failed when sending via CTCP, I'd suspect it's just bad code. |
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| 20:38.54 | khaije|amalt | ook, thats my first permaban :( |
| 20:39.00 | paxcoder | khaije|amalt: it just kicked someone else as well |
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| 20:40.06 | Ether_Man_ | Hi. Im trying to install debian5.0 in a virtualbox VM.. When trying to install the guest additions, I need the build and header files for the kernel. I assume that means the source and that stuff. When I've used debian before there was a package named kernel###-headers or something like that where ### was the version. But I cant find that package anymore. Has it been replaced by something else or? |
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| 20:40.44 | eptalon | Ether_Man_: linux-...? |
| 20:41.53 | Ether_Man_ | eptalon, ah right. Thanks :) |
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| 20:50.06 | adb | !ops huLa spam |
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| 20:50.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: huLa spam |
| 20:50.37 | huLa | adb :S |
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| 20:51.33 | huLa | adb senin O dar Götünü Sikerim a.q |
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| 21:00.27 | jhamlin | A friend is selling an old HD and want's to make sure all the data is completely wiped and unrecoverable. What's the best way to do this? |
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| 21:02.43 | fefo | jhamlin: throw it to h2so4 |
| 21:02.47 | fefo | ;P |
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| 21:06.03 | mogunus | I know that it is possible for this piece of hardware to correctly bridge interfaces, as I had this configured in slackware until I moved that computer to debian last night. |
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| 21:07.38 | paxcoder | mogunus: write that stuff down. |
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| 21:08.03 | mogunus | paxcoder: I have the original shell script I used in slack |
| 21:08.49 | mogunus | I was hoping to do it the "debian way" using the interfaces file. I'll try with my old script and see what happens. |
| 21:09.10 | di | Q: How to setup in debian num keyboard with same efect as in windows with ALT key for example ALT+123 print bracket ? And how swap Y and Z keys when it isnt in layout ? :( |
| 21:09.34 | paxcoder | mogunus: i'm afraid my comment was just friendly and ignorant (have no idea what you're talking about), wich i could help |
| 21:10.05 | paxcoder | *wish |
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| 21:12.17 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: I have the same setup running except using a broadcom card and madwifi. The interfaces config is short and simple, any good? |
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| 21:14.41 | mogunus | The same result, when using my old script from sclackware. |
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| 21:14.55 | mogunus | A flood of these "stuck beacon" errors |
| 21:15.19 | mogunus | GreesMunkie: could I perhaps take a look at your config? |
| 21:16.05 | mogunus | http://pastebin.ca/1476814 |
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| 21:16.11 | mogunus | that is the script that I used to use |
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| 21:16.51 | tingle | hello, i wanted to run the latest apllications and software what version of debian should i install? sid? |
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| 21:18.16 | wizl | lenny |
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| 21:18.29 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: I have an ethernet interface using DHCP and the wlan card has a fixed ip. The bridge lets traffic from the wlan card through to the rest of the network without lots of complicated firewalling stuff. Its 2 lines, 3 if you want it brought up automatically |
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| 21:18.39 | tingle | wizl: i run lenny atm but i need to latest fluxbox for example |
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| 21:19.00 | B1ST | hello, i'm trying to configure alsa, and i followed the steps wroten in de doc, normally i have to do "alsactl init" for detecting my hardware but i got this .. |
| 21:19.02 | [sr] | howdy guys |
| 21:19.06 | B1ST | alsactl: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 21:19.11 | tingle | [sr]: hi |
| 21:19.18 | [sr] | i need to report a problem with apache2 and php+mysql |
| 21:19.24 | enouf | why is alsa so unbelievably broken? |
| 21:19.28 | [sr] | is where a specific mailing list or so? |
| 21:19.30 | [sr] | hi tingle |
| 21:19.36 | GreesMunkie | in /etc/network/interfaces: iface br0 inet dhcp <newline> bridge_ports eth3 wlan0 |
| 21:19.38 | B1ST | enouf: ya got those issues to? |
| 21:19.48 | enouf | B1ST: no .. much worse |
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| 21:19.49 | mogunus | GreesMunkie: that is what I would like to do, except I want a static IP on the ethernet interface |
| 21:20.03 | enouf | B1ST: yours seems easy to resolve |
| 21:20.03 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: should work also |
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| 21:20.16 | B1ST | i really have libasound2 |
| 21:20.27 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/home/overdose# locate libasound.so. |
| 21:20.27 | B1ST | /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:20.33 | enouf | dpkg -S libasound2.so.2 |
| 21:20.34 | dpkg | You Fool! libasound2.so.2 is installed! |
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| 21:21.08 | mogunus | GreesMunkie: do I need a seperate stanza for eth0? (my ethernet interface) |
| 21:21.12 | B1ST | enouf: ? |
| 21:21.20 | enouf | libasound2: /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:21.34 | B1ST | i have that too |
| 21:21.39 | enouf | $ ll /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:21.39 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 819668 2009-03-03 21:00 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
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| 21:21.47 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/home/overdose# locate libasound.so. |
| 21:21.47 | B1ST | /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:21.47 | B1ST | /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
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| 21:21.56 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: just change your interface names where necessary. The bridge lets all (already active) interfaces speak to each other. If you don't already have eth0 in your file, then yes, add that too. Man interfaces is a good help |
| 21:22.01 | enouf | libasound2-dev: /usr/lib/libasound.so |
| 21:22.12 | enouf | libasound2: /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:22.21 | B1ST | i have both |
| 21:22.49 | enouf | ls -l them, or readlink -f them |
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| 21:23.21 | B1ST | hmm, i'm confing, ls -l them, to where? |
| 21:23.27 | mogunus | GreesMunkie: would you mind taking a look at what I have? |
| 21:23.30 | B1ST | *confusing |
| 21:23.30 | enouf | 0$ readlink -f /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:23.30 | enouf | /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:23.32 | mogunus | http://pastebin.ca/1476821 |
| 21:23.35 | enouf | not at all |
| 21:23.40 | enouf | there are SYMLINKs |
| 21:23.44 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: sure, I am no expert though |
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| 21:24.05 | mogunus | GreesMunkie: but you have a working config, which I do not :-) |
| 21:24.28 | enouf | run that command i showed |
| 21:24.37 | enouf | show us output |
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| 21:25.12 | enouf | haha @ "$ sudo alsactl init" |
| 21:25.12 | enouf | alsactl: init:1708: No soundcards found... |
| 21:25.13 | B1ST | same issue |
| 21:25.17 | enouf | what a joke |
| 21:25.24 | B1ST | 51A4178A:/home/overdose# alsactl init |
| 21:25.24 | B1ST | alsactl: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:25.25 | enouf | i have 2 soundcards installed |
| 21:25.27 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/home/overdose# |
| 21:25.34 | B1ST | i'm gettin' tired of it |
| 21:25.40 | enouf | B1ST: it should be a symlink |
| 21:25.52 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: the 1st script, get rid of all the bridge stuff (brctl, etc and the ifconfig br0 line) |
| 21:26.01 | enouf | B1ST: /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 is a symlink to /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:26.07 | enouf | that's what readlink does |
| 21:26.30 | B1ST | ok |
| 21:26.36 | B1ST | but why the heck this issue? |
| 21:26.37 | phogg | if it isn't a symlink you just create it |
| 21:26.38 | enouf | B1ST: i'm more than disgusted with it - tired? hah! |
| 21:26.43 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: reading that again, is that one file or 2 you pasted? |
| 21:26.51 | enouf | B1ST: some bozo fucked it up |
| 21:26.59 | enouf | B1ST: alsaconf no longer exists |
| 21:27.03 | B1ST | ln -sf /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0? |
| 21:27.06 | B1ST | i know |
| 21:27.12 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: you seem to be doing things twice in various places? |
| 21:27.12 | enouf | B1ST: i am more than pissed |
| 21:27.15 | phogg | I would not do -f |
| 21:27.21 | B1ST | ok |
| 21:27.25 | enouf | i would |
| 21:27.39 | enouf | but .. make sure /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 doesn'texist first |
| 21:27.42 | phogg | I too often get the argument order mixed up |
| 21:28.00 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/usr/lib# ln -sf /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:28.00 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/usr/lib# alsactl init |
| 21:28.00 | B1ST | alsactl: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:28.03 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/usr/lib# |
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| 21:28.14 | B1ST | sorry |
| 21:28.15 | GreesMunkie | I always have to do a quick man check before each and every ln -sf as I too forget the order, every time |
| 21:28.20 | phogg | B1ST: ldd `which alsactl` |
| 21:28.23 | enouf | readlink -f /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:28.30 | enouf | ll /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:28.36 | phogg | yeah, that too |
| 21:28.36 | B1ST | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.37 | enouf | dpkg -S /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:28.38 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 package |
| 21:28.42 | enouf | wonderful |
| 21:28.54 | enouf | apt-get install -f |
| 21:28.56 | mogunus | GreesMunkie: that's two files |
| 21:29.06 | mogunus | past /etc/network/interfaces it is only the contents of that file |
| 21:29.07 | enouf | you broke the brokeness of it all |
| 21:29.10 | phogg | libasound2 is the package |
| 21:29.54 | PingFloyd | ls -l /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:30.08 | B1ST | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 jun 27 23:29 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 -> libasound.so |
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| 21:30.20 | phogg | B1ST: well that's not right |
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| 21:30.32 | B1ST | i just installed libasound2 |
| 21:30.33 | enouf | i can NOT tolerate audio issue .,, period! .. my tweeter fuses blew, and i don't have replacem,ents handy ... but ALSA config just sucks ass.. i can |
| 21:30.43 | B1ST | lemme reinstall it again |
| 21:30.54 | enouf | i can't even switch to my other card |
| 21:30.59 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: do man wireless, all the stuff you try with 2 scripts is pretty much possible with just the interfaces file |
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| 21:31.15 | phogg | B1ST: ln -sf /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
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| 21:31.44 | mogunus | the second file is my interfaces file, and I'm trying to use just the interfaces file |
| 21:31.58 | mogunus | from init.d/networking start |
| 21:32.07 | B1ST | heh |
| 21:32.08 | B1ST | same |
| 21:32.10 | B1ST | uhm |
| 21:32.14 | B1ST | a question |
| 21:32.14 | enouf | no |
| 21:32.20 | enouf | not the same |
| 21:32.21 | B1ST | can i downgrade to lenny? |
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| 21:32.25 | enouf | no |
| 21:32.33 | B1ST | fuck |
| 21:32.34 | phogg | B1ST: downgrading is not really supported |
| 21:32.39 | B1ST | i know |
| 21:32.39 | B1ST | but |
| 21:32.40 | enouf | ll /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:32.43 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: well, you have the bridge already, so scrub all the brctl stuff and also the wlanconfig lines too |
| 21:32.46 | enouf | readlink -f /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 |
| 21:32.52 | B1ST | i do not have the ll cmd |
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| 21:33.01 | phogg | B1ST: it's a typical alias for ls -l |
| 21:33.05 | B1ST | ah |
| 21:33.05 | enouf | B1ST: ll is my alias |
| 21:33.06 | PingFloyd | ll sounds more like an alias |
| 21:33.06 | B1ST | sorry |
| 21:33.09 | paxcoder | BIST full sentences, please |
| 21:33.09 | enouf | for ls -l |
| 21:33.12 | enouf | for ls -al |
| 21:33.15 | B1ST | i'm only a stupid belgian |
| 21:33.23 | phogg | B1ST: watch your language |
| 21:33.27 | mesa_booger | that's no excuse |
| 21:33.28 | B1ST | ok.. |
| 21:33.30 | enouf | i'm a dumbass American |
| 21:33.38 | phogg | ^^^^ this |
| 21:33.41 | enouf | phogg: stop that |
| 21:33.49 | paxcoder | wth is happening? |
| 21:33.54 | WastePotato | o_O |
| 21:33.54 | mesa_booger | with a capital D |
| 21:34.06 | enouf | phogg: stop 'moderating' please |
| 21:34.15 | phogg | enouf: ok |
| 21:34.15 | B1ST | ls: kan geen toegang krijgen tot /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0: Bestand of map bestaat niet |
| 21:34.20 | B1ST | it doesn't exist |
| 21:34.22 | enouf | phogg: thank you |
| 21:34.24 | GreesMunkie | mogunus: in interfaces, to configure the essid its "wireless-essid Home" in the wlan card stanza. Again, man wireless gives you more info than I can copy and paste here |
| 21:34.30 | enouf | phogg: you ARE helpful - please continue |
| 21:34.40 | PingFloyd | censorship doesn't belong on irc |
| 21:34.47 | enouf | B1ST: LANG=C 'command ...' |
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| 21:34.58 | paxcoder | ima afk now, cause i don't want to get hit by a chair, but yeah... |
| 21:35.18 | B1ST | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0: No such file or directory |
| 21:35.18 | B1ST | d51A4178A:/usr/lib# |
| 21:35.27 | B1ST | very odd |
| 21:35.28 | phogg | PingFloyd: eh? |
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| 21:35.50 | enouf | $ ls -l /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:35.51 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 819668 2009-03-03 21:00 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 21:35.59 | enouf | look at the SIZE of the file man |
| 21:36.12 | heavenquake | I've dd'et the small netinst iso image to a usb disk, and set my computer to boot from usb first. even so, it completely ignores the usb disk and boots from the harddisk regardless |
| 21:36.16 | heavenquake | what can I have done wrong? |
| 21:36.26 | B1ST | maybe it's better to do a reinstall |
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| 21:36.28 | phogg | heavenquake: I don't think you can do that. |
| 21:36.35 | B1ST | i never got those issues before |
| 21:36.43 | heavenquake | phogg: that's how it says I should on the wiki |
| 21:36.52 | heavenquake | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 21:36.54 | phogg | heavenquake: then maybe you can, but it sounds nonsensical to me |
| 21:37.02 | B1ST | setting up a soundcart is tie easiest thing ya can do in linux *normally* :s |
| 21:37.03 | heavenquake | how come? |
| 21:37.28 | heavenquake | phogg: how would you do it then? |
| 21:37.35 | phogg | heavenquake: ah, so it's an image you made yourself and not an ISO you downloaded |
| 21:37.40 | phogg | that makes sense |
| 21:37.46 | heavenquake | oh, no, it isn't |
| 21:37.55 | heavenquake | but shouldn't it work anyway? :/ |
| 21:38.00 | phogg | heavenquake: it isn't what? |
| 21:38.08 | heavenquake | it isn't an image I've made myself |
| 21:38.14 | phogg | heavenquake: is it an ISO? |
| 21:38.25 | heavenquake | yes |
| 21:38.36 | GreesMunkie | B1ST: Unless Alsa decides to be an arse and alsaconf has been deleted |
| 21:38.36 | phogg | heavenquake: then it wont work. |
| 21:38.44 | heavenquake | then what should I do? |
| 21:39.03 | phogg | heavenquake: note this: "lh_config -b usb-hdd <options>" - this does not make an ISO, it makes a disk image |
| 21:39.08 | B1ST | yes, but why the heck it's deleted? |
| 21:39.18 | B1ST | GreesMunkie: ya got sound? |
| 21:39.23 | phogg | heavenquake: follow the whole howto? |
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| 21:39.40 | GreesMunkie | dunno, something changed recently. There was some criticism about the script, I believe |
| 21:40.36 | phogg | heavenquake: from the link on the wiki page you can navigate to here: http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/current/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 21:40.41 | B1ST | criticism? they had a problem whit the fact it was too easy setting up a soundcard or what |
| 21:40.42 | phogg | heavenquake: those should be what you want |
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| 21:40.51 | heavenquake | phogg: arh, thanks |
| 21:40.56 | B1ST | well |
| 21:41.01 | B1ST | i'm gonna back to lenny |
| 21:41.02 | B1ST | brb |
| 21:41.33 | heavenquake | it says live. can I install from those? |
| 21:41.39 | GreesMunkie | B1ST, I have sound. I bought a new vid card recently and there is an HDMI thingy on it. Alsa decided to use that as my main sound card ignoring what used to be a working Audigy. Cahoot here got me looking at dmesg and even though the module loaded, it loaded with an error. I remove all modules by hand end then modprobe just the emu10k and it works. Reboot the machine and it fails again... I... |
| 21:41.41 | GreesMunkie | ...hate alsa |
| 21:41.49 | sylarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.28 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: blacklist the offending module(s) |
| 21:42.36 | adb | !usb install |
| 21:42.36 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 21:42.44 | adb | heavenquake: ^^ |
| 21:43.28 | wizl | people.. if i "format" a drive.. i get still somehow get to the data or?:D |
| 21:43.39 | wizl | ffs.. stupid grub |
| 21:44.08 | GreesMunkie | PingFloyd, I looked immediately at blacklisting, udev, hal, modules and other stuff and got lost in a maze. Why does the module load fine when its the only module yet not when other sound modules are present? |
| 21:44.12 | heavenquake | adb: now you are confusing me. I asked if the live images that phogg/the guide linked me to are installable too :/ |
| 21:44.31 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: why are you trying to blacklist udev and hal? |
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| 21:44.50 | GreesMunkie | No, I wasn't trying to blacklist those, they were things I looked at |
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| 21:45.09 | adb | heavenquake: live images (debian) arenot installable (yet) |
| 21:45.19 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: you have two sound cards installed now? |
| 21:45.23 | GreesMunkie | The rules of udev, the modprobe.d stuff, the lack of an alsa config tool or even a config dir |
| 21:46.37 | GreesMunkie | PingFloyd: Unfortunately 3. One is the in BIOS disabled onboard Via, 2nd is audigy 2 which I use, and the 3rd is the hdmi thingy on my new vid card and that gets number one place, even with what were working configs in place |
| 21:46.58 | enouf | hi PingFloyd .. |
| 21:47.10 | enouf | good to see you too |
| 21:47.42 | GreesMunkie | How is a user supposed to configure alsa these days? The wiki sucks, the docs are ancient and the best I could find was "alsactl init" |
| 21:48.00 | enouf | no fucken idea |
| 21:48.11 | enouf | but tell me once you find out |
| 21:48.31 | enouf | alsactl init is a BIG FAIL |
| 21:48.33 | adb | !alsaconf |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 21:48.38 | heavenquake | adb: so now I'm back where I started - with iso images, which I've just been told can't be installed on a usb drive |
| 21:48.40 | GreesMunkie | The easiest way would probably be to install OSS again ;-) |
| 21:48.45 | illuminatis | hi. i have set blanktime and offtime in the xorg.conf for my screen and when i play a movie with mplayer the screen s blank after couple minutes. is that logical? is there any mplayer command to overide this? never did that with older versions of debian |
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| 21:48.55 | enouf | adb: bullshit |
| 21:48.59 | adb | heh |
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| 21:49.14 | GreesMunkie | illuminatus: I have the same thing, I think it has to do with DPMS settings... |
| 21:49.14 | adb | enouf: ^^ |
| 21:49.16 | enouf | i'm tempted to alter that factoid |
| 21:49.27 | enouf | ALSA sucks my ass in debian |
| 21:49.28 | adb | alter him |
| 21:49.33 | enouf | no |
| 21:49.38 | enouf | i'm not spiteful |
| 21:49.51 | jelly-home | illuminatis: have you head the mplayer man page? |
| 21:49.54 | GreesMunkie | enouf: And do you find that a pleasurable experience? |
| 21:49.59 | enouf | (or atleast i try not to be) |
| 21:50.01 | jelly-home | read* |
| 21:50.09 | enouf | GreesMunkie: no |
| 21:50.22 | enouf | i want to stompthebozos |
| 21:50.40 | enouf | but .. it's the right thing to do |
| 21:50.44 | GreesMunkie | and that would translate roughly to... ? |
| 21:50.54 | enouf | (restraint and discipline) |
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| 21:51.43 | adb | heavenquake: try installing that image in virtualbox |
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| 21:51.55 | adb | for tests |
| 21:52.03 | heavenquake | adb: which image? |
| 21:52.08 | adb | yours |
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| 21:53.06 | adb | or it is an official debian image ? |
| 21:53.11 | heavenquake | adb: the live .img one I was directed to in the beginning or the .iso one on the download page? |
| 21:53.23 | sylarr | if I start a service manually , which is not in one of the /etc/rcX.d, will it be shutdown cleanly on poweroff? |
| 21:54.21 | paulfm | is etch i486 or i586 - or neither - and decided what it is at time of install? |
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| 21:54.39 | Bloodkil | Hey Everyone |
| 21:54.59 | enouf | paulfm: what? |
| 21:55.03 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: there's a note about multiple sound cards |
| 21:55.09 | Bloodkil | could anyone help me with a compile error that is happening only in Debian? |
| 21:55.15 | adb | heavenquake: i don't understand your issue , sorry |
| 21:55.21 | phogg | heavenquake: those images are for live usb sticks |
| 21:55.37 | heavenquake | adb: bottom line is that I want to install debian from a usb disk, and everyone I ask tells me to do different things |
| 21:55.38 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: zless /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:55.39 | jelly-home | sylarr: if there is a K* link in /etc/rc0.d for it, yes |
| 21:55.42 | GreesMunkie | PingFloyd: where? |
| 21:55.42 | Vonor | what are volatile updates, btw? |
| 21:55.43 | paulfm | enouf: I am having issues with a shared lib compiled as i586.. and am not sure if its compat with my system |
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| 21:55.52 | enouf | paulfm: the i386 arch in even Lenny offers -486 kernels as well as -686 and -bigmem ones |
| 21:55.56 | Bloodkil | could anyone help me? |
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| 21:56.01 | paulfm | enouf: the dev of the library said etch was i486... |
| 21:56.25 | paulfm | enouf: how do I tell what Im running |
| 21:56.29 | paulfm | oh.. doh |
| 21:56.33 | paulfm | enouf: yes - gotcha |
| 21:56.42 | paulfm | enouf: I have i486 kernel |
| 21:56.43 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: sound though it's probably out of date and pre udev, but would be worth a try |
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| 21:56.56 | adb | heavenquake: than use "usb install" bot message |
| 21:57.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.24 | heavenquake | adb: it directs me to the download page, which consists of a lot of .iso images and _no_ instructions on installing from usb whatsoever :/ |
| 21:57.52 | PingFloyd | GreesMunkie: hard to say whether still applicable, but the part about setting index might still be |
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| 21:58.47 | humbolt | Anybody ever tried an Nvidia ION based board with Linux? |
| 21:59.19 | adb | it directs you to make a usb bootable flash , used later to install from usb stick , if your machine manage that boot type |
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| 21:59.30 | GreesMunkie | PingFloyd: Like I said, this setup was working. I have a configured sound.conf for multiple cards with audigy as card 0. I'll try adding that new hdmi as 3rdto see if it helps |
| 21:59.30 | adb | heavenquake: ^^ |
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| 22:01.26 | adb | heavenquake: installing from THAT usb is same as with any other media installing in debian |
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| 22:01.54 | adb | i.e cdrom |
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| 22:03.12 | heavenquake | adb: I've found the page you're talking about, but it talks about booting from the network. |
| 22:03.45 | adb | heavenquake: just read carefully http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 22:04.13 | heavenquake | adb: I'm doing that. and it says I should get the image from the netboot directory. how does that make sense? |
| 22:04.54 | adb | yes |
| 22:06.13 | GreesMunkie | heavenquake: because images are divided by type and each type has its own directory on the server you get them from which makes it a little easier for you to find |
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| 22:07.49 | adb | heavenquake: they say about hd-media/boot.img.gz which is in http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 22:08.50 | aacosta | i followed these instructins to install debian on my eeepc |
| 22:08.51 | aacosta | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
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| 22:09.02 | aacosta | im just stuck on getting my wireless to work |
| 22:09.38 | heavenquake | adb: alright. Now if I understand this correctly, I'm going to use that image in tandem with the normal .iso install image? |
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| 22:10.33 | adb | heavenquake: yes , but read carefully all page |
| 22:10.37 | heavenquake | can I clear the contents of my usbdisk completely before doing any of these things? |
| 22:11.17 | heavenquake | I mean, I dd'et directly to /dev/sdb (rather than /dev/sdb1) before, so I'm afraid that just mounting the device as normal and removing the files with rm won't do the trick? |
| 22:12.04 | adb | aacosta: keep asking same thing as last day/s ? |
| 22:14.37 | aacosta | haha yea |
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| 22:14.52 | aacosta | just really want to get wireless on my eeepc |
| 22:15.43 | GreesMunkie | aacosta: I notice that a part of the article you mention is dedicated to wireless. Doesn't it work/is the article wrong? |
| 22:15.56 | Sashi | quick quesiton |
| 22:16.07 | pngwn | aacosta, tried #debian-eeepc on oftc ? |
| 22:16.07 | Sashi | where are ulimits config stored |
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| 22:16.22 | B1ST | sound works, heh |
| 22:17.01 | adb | heavenquake: do as they say in '4.3.1. Copying the files the easy way' , note copy is not dd |
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| 22:17.53 | aacosta | nope |
| 22:17.57 | aacosta | ill try it out though |
| 22:17.57 | aacosta | thanks |
| 22:18.37 | pngwn | np |
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| 22:21.16 | aacosta | how do i install flash |
| 22:21.17 | aacosta | on lenny |
| 22:21.17 | aacosta | i downloaded the intal flash.deb |
| 22:21.17 | aacosta | but i guess thats not the what you do it in debin |
| 22:21.17 | aacosta | debian |
| 22:21.17 | aacosta | thats for ubuntu |
| 22:21.21 | GreesMunkie | aacosta: flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 22:21.49 | adb | aacosta: do /j #flash |
| 22:22.56 | PingFloyd | aacosta: just install the flashplugin-nonfree via apt-get or aptitude |
| 22:23.14 | PingFloyd | aacosta: that will download and install the plugin from adobe |
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| 22:23.43 | PingFloyd | aacosta: it is pretty much just an install script |
| 22:24.30 | sylarr | jelly-home, I removed the Ks |
| 22:24.54 | sylarr | jelly-home, along with the Ss when I did update-rc.d |
| 22:25.09 | adb | PingFloyd: he get usefully info from #flash ;) |
| 22:25.26 | sylarr | now ntp is hanging my boot |
| 22:25.42 | sylarr | why does these services hang the boot? |
| 22:25.45 | sylarr | can |
| 22:25.50 | PingFloyd | adb: they're just going to tell him to download and install from adobe's site -- yuck |
| 22:26.20 | sylarr | can't they hang privately |
| 22:26.25 | sylarr | ? |
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| 22:28.54 | PingFloyd | I'm using squeeze though, so the pkg options may be different |
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| 22:36.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.31 | themill | dpkg: ping |
| 22:45.31 | dpkg_ | Yes, themill, you are online. |
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| 22:45.49 | QuakeLive | What is the preferred way to install debian? |
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| 22:46.47 | themill | dpkg: install debian |
| 22:46.48 | dpkg_ | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 22:47.29 | hallowname | just got my debian tattoo :DDD |
| 22:49.11 | hallowname | even tho i use arch personally ;p i use debian at work. to honor its contributors. you all. :) |
| 22:50.01 | adb | instead to pay win licence , you payed tattoo ? |
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| 22:52.31 | hallowname | adb: indeed :) mankind's greatest acheivement deserves a place on my arm i think. ;p |
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| 22:55.56 | ultraj6 | lol @ debian tattoo |
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| 23:00.14 | phorce1 | has had the swirl on his arm since 2001 |
| 23:00.15 | deco | i just setup vsftpd but i can't upload, any help? |
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| 23:24.08 | iluminator101 | how do you execute a line on terminal with out typing it..or using up arrow is there way to just call the ln by itself |
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| 23:25.18 | paxcoder | iluminator101: there is a way to put ln in your $PS1 |
| 23:25.39 | paxcoder | (will do ln after each enter and such) |
| 23:26.04 | iluminator101 | i am not following...can you point me to a link |
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| 23:27.04 | iluminator101 | so like if i want to call ln 233 how would i do it |
| 23:27.29 | paxcoder | i'm not sure how to put a command in a string so that when you print it it execs it |
| 23:28.58 | paxcoder | iluminator101: i got it, do this: |
| 23:29.31 | paxcoder | open .bashrc in your home dir |
| 23:29.39 | iluminator101 | k |
| 23:29.50 | paxcoder | do you see perhaps PS1= |
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| 23:31.39 | iluminator101 | yea not by itself but yea |
| 23:31.46 | themill | iluminator101: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-bash-command-line-history/ |
| 23:32.26 | paxcoder | iluminator101: ok, then you can add to the beginning of the string this: $(ls) |
| 23:32.42 | paxcoder | (that's in the quotes, don't delete the rest of the string) |
| 23:32.58 | paxcoder | but that allways lists / for some reason... |
| 23:34.41 | iluminator101 | hmm...i am not following....can you please type what the finished product would look like |
| 23:34.58 | paxcoder | iluminator101: forget all i've said |
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| 23:35.11 | paxcoder | just put this in .bashrc: |
| 23:35.13 | paxcoder | PROMPT_COMMAND="ls" |
| 23:35.18 | paxcoder | and that should do it |
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| 23:36.03 | paxcoder | after that, just save the file, and restart your terminal (or open a new tab) - it should be applied to it |
| 23:36.16 | iluminator101 | k so how would you call ln 233 |
| 23:37.01 | paxcoder | iluminator101: each time? |
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| 23:37.27 | iluminator101 | no from history |
| 23:37.47 | paxcoder | iluminator101: then i misunderstood what you meant |
| 23:38.03 | paxcoder | can you explain once more please? |
| 23:38.35 | paxcoder | (what i gave you now was a method to execute a command each time your prompt appears) |
| 23:38.50 | iluminator101 | on history i have line 233, i want to use that like again, without haveing to type it from history |
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| 23:39.51 | paxcoder | umm yeah, I'm not sure if that's possible. |
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| 23:40.03 | paxcoder | (without some serious bash-ing, try #bash ) |
| 23:40.04 | MrWax | what is the best way to compare 2 text files and paste the difference with commandline tools of bash? |
| 23:40.05 | lcuk | press up 233 times |
| 23:40.18 | paxcoder | lcuk: nr. of lines - 233 |
| 23:40.20 | lcuk | its not exactly common to know a particular line |
| 23:40.41 | lcuk | and once you do it once doesnt it change |
| 23:40.43 | paxcoder | MrWax: diff? |
| 23:40.46 | iluminator101 | cant you pull that line from history |
| 23:41.01 | lcuk | how might i ask do you know its line 233? |
| 23:41.11 | paxcoder | oh darnit |
| 23:41.16 | paxcoder | yes you can |
| 23:41.17 | lcuk | have you got the file open in an editor at this moment? |
| 23:41.19 | MrWax | paxcoder: how do i use it? |
| 23:41.23 | paxcoder | wait, let me remember |
| 23:41.34 | paxcoder | MrWax: see diff --help, I think diff FILE FILE2 |
| 23:41.51 | paxcoder | MrWax: and then just redirect it, as so: |
| 23:41.59 | paxcoder | diff FILE1 FILE2 > FILE3 |
| 23:42.38 | MrWax | oki thanks |
| 23:43.14 | iluminator101 | history append? |
| 23:43.17 | paxcoder | iluminator101: see history --help |
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| 23:44.29 | paxcoder | iluminator101: try !233 |
| 23:45.33 | iluminator101 | THANKS paxcoder you are the man |
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| 23:45.45 | paxcoder | iluminator101: sorry for taking so long. |
| 23:45.59 | paxcoder | ok, bye all |
| 23:46.00 | Brune | so I am running xfce4-power-manager and the settings are all turned off, xscreensaver settings are turned off. xset AND xorg.conf both have dpms off. I have checked my monitor for powersaving settings and still my monitor will not exactly sleep but will report that it can't get information. What else is there to check? |
| 23:46.06 | iluminator101 | np you did it....thanks again |
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| 23:51.39 | hesco | I just rebuilt my desktop and am piecing things back together now. Fresh install of Etch from net-install. What package do I need to pull in the usual compilers and such for the next stage of this project? |
| 23:51.50 | hesco | sorry, Lenny, not Etch |
| 23:54.01 | adb | rephrase it .. |
| 23:54.26 | hesco | having tried gcc-4.3, an attempt to build alsa from source yields an error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 23:54.57 | adb | !b-e |
| 23:54.58 | dpkg_ | i guess build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 23:55.26 | hesco | !qotd49 |
| 23:55.26 | dpkg_ | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 23:55.44 | hesco | thanks adb, trying that now |
| 23:55.45 | Brune | so I am running xfce4-power-manager and the settings are all turned off, xscreensaver settings are turned off. xset AND xorg.conf both have dpms off. I have checked my monitor for powersaving settings and still my monitor will not exactly sleep but will report that it can't get information. What else is there to check? |
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| 23:59.02 | adb | Brune: rephrase it .. |
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