| 00:00.01 | skor_ | Ahh |
| 00:01.39 | stew | skor_: most of those are using armel these days, not arm |
| 00:01.39 | skor_ | ic |
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| 00:01.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: didn't we switch to armel? |
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| 00:01.40 | blast_hardcheese | Isn't the latest lenny 5.0.2? |
| 00:01.40 | blast_hardcheese | The topic says .1 |
| 00:01.40 | c0m1 | hey, i just found a bad link on debian page |
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| 00:01.45 | anomaly | my mistake.. without a startx.. as I usually use .xinitrc.. I only have X for starting.. how does one start a wm through that? |
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| 00:02.10 | nkuttler | `ns`: look into udev |
| 00:03.28 | dondelelcaro | anomaly: install xinit which has startx, or use a DM, like xdm |
| 00:03.30 | stew | dondelelcaro: yes, <stew> skor_: most of those are using armel these days, not arm |
| 00:03.34 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: some of us don't have fancy arm v5 capable cpus! |
| 00:03.50 | `ns` | thanks nkuttler |
| 00:03.51 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, was lagged out here. |
| 00:04.01 | dondelelcaro | stew: was wondering if I had somehow missed the removal of armel |
| 00:04.31 | anomaly | dondelelcaro ty |
| 00:04.33 | MadMoney | Why is Arm being dropped before PPC? Is PPC (like my iBook) next? |
| 00:04.47 | stew | dondelelcaro: yeah, etch has arm, lenny has both, squeze will have armel |
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| 00:05.18 | stew | MadMoney: becuase ppc has enough volunteer porters to suport it, and arm doesn't |
| 00:05.27 | dondelelcaro | MadMoney: because (almost) everyone who uses arm is now using armel; there are still a lot of people who use ppc |
| 00:05.33 | MadMoney | I see. |
| 00:05.38 | skor_ | Anyone have ppc with nvidia and dual monitors working ? |
| 00:05.51 | cantido | ppc probably takes less time to build too.. |
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| 00:06.16 | skor_ | Tried installing kde4, but it seems the migration is still in progress... half of the packages require old or newer packages so the entire solution never gets installed |
| 00:06.33 | cantido | skor_: testing? |
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| 00:07.09 | skor_ | yeah I tried testing as well as sid and experimental |
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| 00:07.43 | skor_ | kde4 runs.. but its missing the base so there's no konqueror to say the least |
| 00:07.55 | cantido | skor_: kde4 should be fine in sid.. it's actually been upgraded at least once since the initial version of kde4 |
| 00:08.23 | skor_ | hmm. I got stuck on kdebase-data being 4.2.4 but everything that requires kdebase-data wants 4.2.2 |
| 00:08.25 | skor_ | so it fails |
| 00:08.32 | cantido | skor_: got konq here.. some of the package names have changed from 3.5 though, make sure you have the workspace etc installed |
| 00:08.34 | craigevil | skor_: kde-full should give you everything in sid |
| 00:08.57 | skor_ | kde-full would never install because of what I said above. I'll give it another try |
| 00:09.21 | DarkJustice | Got a debian system been freezing up anytime I visit a java site... reinstalled java and browsers many times... was told it might be hardware... blacklisted the 8139cp driver and put 8139too in /etc/modules.... still having issues with the entire system just HAnging... any help would be appreciated |
| 00:09.55 | cantido | DarkJustice: why does java crashing the machine require you to blacklist your network modules? |
| 00:10.25 | DarkJustice | cantido: well I thought it might be hardware related, and had been getting the error on boot about using the 8139too driver, was just a shot in the dark |
| 00:10.25 | craigevil | skor_: konqueror: Installed: 4:4.2.4-1 |
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| 00:10.56 | cantido | DarkJustice: what java plug are you using? |
| 00:11.03 | cantido | DarkJustice: plugin |
| 00:11.09 | DarkJustice | cantido: the sun-java-6 |
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| 00:11.45 | skor_ | craigevil: ok thanks.. I'll try using sid |
| 00:11.45 | DarkJustice | but I tried 3 others too |
| 00:12.01 | cantido | DarkJustice: they all cause a crash? |
| 00:12.33 | DarkJustice | cantido: yep.. now I'm thinking could it be the video driver? I did try to install the NVIDIA driver from their site and Xserver went Kaboom! |
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| 00:14.03 | DarkJustice | cantido: I wouldn't think the entire system would hang up if it was only a java issue.. seems like the rest of the system would still be accessible |
| 00:14.43 | cantido | DarkJustice: maybe overlaying the java plugin into the display is triggering some bug |
| 00:15.08 | cantido | DarkJustice: maybe see if the same happens with the vesa or free driver |
| 00:15.32 | DarkJustice | cantido: possibly but it's not just java... Amarok media player can trigger it on occasion, just not as often |
| 00:15.37 | cantido | DarkJustice: also, don't install the nvidia driver from their site, use the packages |
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| 00:16.02 | kamal | any freebsd users here ? |
| 00:16.15 | project2501a | kamal: FreeBSD is dying |
| 00:16.16 | beardy | In #freebsd, I'd think. |
| 00:16.19 | project2501a | netcraft confirms it |
| 00:16.20 | cantido | kamal: yes, lots of freebsd users in #debian |
| 00:16.40 | cantido | project2501a: slashdot humour is so meh |
| 00:16.49 | project2501a | cantido: it's classic, thought. |
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| 00:17.06 | project2501a | would you like me to switch to 4chan humor? :D |
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| 00:17.24 | cantido | yes, wapanese humour is that much better |
| 00:17.28 | project2501a | hehehe |
| 00:17.46 | project2501a | so, /b/rothers what is five year plan to communism? |
| 00:18.05 | DarkJustice | cantido: but it's possible then that it's the video driver? cuz I've been googling this for weeks and it's getting frustrating as all get out |
| 00:18.35 | cantido | DarkJustice: It could be a lot of things, a total crash is usually hardware though, or bad drivers |
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| 00:18.47 | skor_ | yeah.. kde-full still fails |
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| 00:18.56 | cantido | DarkJustice: have you ran memtest to check that you haven't got so duff memory? |
| 00:18.59 | MclJaxcoon | Are you sick and tired of dealing with the feral Negro beast day in and day out? Then you will find good company in Chimpout.com! Chimpout.com is not a white supremacist website. We welcome Asians, non-Negroid Hispanics, Jews, Whites, Semites, etc. This is a humanist movement in order to unite the human races against the feral nigggger beast. Check us out a http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 00:19.22 | skor_ | I select it to install, and the next message is "..some packages were broken and have been fixed". Then it lists kde related packages with a [Not Installed] next to them |
| 00:19.22 | DarkJustice | cantido: haven't run memtest |
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| 00:20.47 | DarkJustice | I would assume I'd want the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx ? |
| 00:20.52 | craigevil | skor_: have you tried kde-minimal? |
| 00:21.02 | cantido | DarkJustice: when the machine crashes.. you should try logging in with SSH to see if it's really really died |
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| 00:21.15 | craigevil | !ops Mc1J |
| 00:21.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: Mc1J |
| 00:21.21 | craigevil | crap sorry |
| 00:21.42 | cantido | !nvidia |
| 00:21.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 00:22.02 | cantido | DarkJustice: ^^^ that's the shizzle there :) |
| 00:22.43 | DarkJustice | cantido: ok I'll check the wiki.. all I see in synaptic is hte kernel and the glx |
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| 00:23.15 | cantido | DarkJustice: I think that's all you need. I haven't used a nvidia card in about 4 years though |
| 00:23.18 | skor_ | craigevil: same error. |
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| 00:23.31 | DarkJustice | cantido: and can't login with ssh when it does that.. lol.. 'tis the only system I have |
| 00:24.19 | cantido | DarkJustice: ah that's a pain. I think there is an application for collecting X crash data if the machine isn't totally dead :/ |
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| 00:25.09 | DarkJustice | cantido: ohhh that would be fantastic |
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| 00:26.13 | craigevil | skor_: try asking in #debian-kde on oftc |
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| 00:27.53 | skor_ | that channel has -v (or whatever option prevents speaking). I'll just go back to gnome. Thanks anyway |
| 00:28.44 | cantido | skor_: I think you just have some kde 3.5 packages you don't need anymore installed.. |
| 00:29.07 | cantido | skor_: throwing your toys out of the pram solves nothing ;) |
| 00:29.43 | DarkJustice | cantido: ok letting synaptic install that... if xserver blows up on me.. is there an easy way to undo that from the command line? |
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| 00:30.14 | skor_ | Heh, I hear you.. but I've uninstalled everything kde and this is eating up more time than I should be spending on it. So it will have to wait for now |
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| 00:30.40 | cantido | skor_: you can have both or more install at the same time you realise.. |
| 00:30.56 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I have several .jpg scans of a book. Does anybody know a fast way to compile a single .pdf file out of it? Or any other ebook format. |
| 00:31.04 | cantido | DarkJustice: ofcourse. |
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| 00:31.39 | DarkJustice | cantido: good cuz last time it blew up I ended up removing gnome, the gnome-desktop, Xserver, and xorg |
| 00:31.43 | cantido | ilembitov: can your reader render html? |
| 00:31.58 | cantido | DarkJustice: you shouldn't have to remove anything |
| 00:32.19 | skor_ | Yeah.. I had kde3 kde4 and gnome all installed. I dont know what the deal is.. I probably screwed something up. This is PPC if that makes any difference |
| 00:32.25 | DarkJustice | cantido: got a suggestion? cuz I went nuts for about 4 hours |
| 00:32.31 | ilembitov | cantido: It's not for a ebook reader, it's for a laptop. So, I guess, yes :) |
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| 00:33.03 | ksnp | hi i have debian on vmware on console - no kde etc. i want to test if sound works - is there a simple way to test that ? |
| 00:33.34 | cantido | skor_: mmm maybe there's a package that hasn't got build on ppc.. I think the buildd pages have details on anything thats failed |
| 00:33.45 | skor_ | ok |
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| 00:34.44 | cantido | ksnp: cat /dev/random into the device node.. |
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| 00:35.47 | DarkJustice | ok gonna reboot and cross my fingers, hopefully I'll be back soon, have two other I think very minor issues, I need help with, THanks cantido |
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| 00:36.27 | seirmubsa | What's up with the download links on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/? >_> |
| 00:36.33 | ilembitov | cantido: So how do I get jpg2html? |
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| 00:37.22 | adb | seirmubsa: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2009/06/msg00052.html |
| 00:37.33 | cantido | ilembitov: <img src="myfile.jpg" /> |
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| 00:41.16 | DarkJustice | whew |
| 00:41.20 | jeeves | can anyone reccommend a good howto on getting all of AWStats functions working? |
| 00:42.06 | cantido | jeeves: the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ tell you how to setup geoip lookups etc IIRC |
| 00:42.20 | DarkJustice | weirdness.. the xorg.conf didn't change but I have xorg.conf.new in /root ... that has the nvidia listed |
| 00:42.40 | ksnp | cantido : i didn't get that |
| 00:43.04 | jeeves | cantido, ok, thanks. I've just been frustrated with trying to get it to work properly |
| 00:43.14 | ksnp | can you tell me a bit more how to test sound in debian with only console ? (i am using vmware) |
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| 00:43.35 | cantido | ksnp: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp I think.. |
| 00:43.44 | cantido | maybe that's if you have oss emulation loaded |
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| 00:44.04 | cantido | jeeves: the geoip databases are non-free I think, so that's why it doesnt work out of the box |
| 00:44.26 | ksnp | cantido : what does that do ? :) |
| 00:44.31 | ksnp | will it play a sound |
| 00:44.35 | cmyers_work | ksnp: apt-get install mp3blaster to play files in console |
| 00:44.35 | ksnp | or does it add sound support ? |
| 00:44.45 | jeeves | I have the free one installed, but i'm more concerned about the OS reports, etc |
| 00:45.07 | ksnp | cmyers - so i get that package, and then also an mp3 and use cli to play ? |
| 00:45.29 | cmyers_work | right. I haven't used it, but you can probably run "mp3blaster -h" for help in using it after installing |
| 00:45.35 | cantido | ksnp: it should play random shit ;) |
| 00:46.04 | cmyers_work | ksnp: cantido's suggestion is easier, but a little less pleasant on your ears =) |
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| 00:49.46 | blast_hardcheese | project2501a: When this turn into #de/b/ian? |
| 00:50.00 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, fuck, didn't notice I was like waaay up in the scrollback. |
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| 00:52.50 | monkey_d_luffy | "No manual entry for pthread_create" I have glibc-doc installed :s How can I find which package the documentation is? |
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| 00:53.40 | ksnp | as long as it works : don't bother me :) |
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| 00:55.26 | ksnp | my terminal is all showing strange chars now |
| 00:56.09 | ksnp | is there a way to recover ? |
| 00:56.18 | dkr | reset |
| 00:56.21 | dkr | ^L |
| 00:56.31 | synnaptics | yeah, double exit usually works for me |
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| 00:56.42 | dkr | control-middle-click choose full reset |
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| 00:57.19 | dkr | tty clear |
| 00:57.20 | dkr | F5 |
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| 01:02.33 | DarkJustice | cantido: shouldn't have my xorg.conf changed, or just the /root/xorg.conf.new ?? |
| 01:03.15 | cantido | DarkJustice: when you installed the nvidia driver? |
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| 01:03.44 | cantido | Is there a "top" for sockets? |
| 01:03.55 | DarkJustice | cantido: yes, I have a new file in /root xorg.conf.new that shows the nvidia info, but it doesn't in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 01:04.16 | jescis | what do I use to copy from another networked computer to my computer with ssh? |
| 01:04.24 | purplepenguins | cantido: netstat can show you socket info |
| 01:04.25 | dkr | jescis: scp |
| 01:04.38 | dkr | cantido: iptraf |
| 01:05.00 | jescis | dkr, scp m:) I forgot its name thanks :) |
| 01:05.11 | cantido | DarkJustice: the one in /root is probably a suggestion of the changes you should make to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:05.24 | cantido | dkr: cheers :) |
| 01:05.44 | cantido | purplepenguins: i want to see what sockets are doing the most.. top style |
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| 01:06.17 | ksnp | cool reset did it |
| 01:06.17 | jescis | dkr, can I ssh to someone elses computer that is on a different network? |
| 01:06.18 | DarkJustice | cantido: oh ok makes sense because in System.. Preferences when I click on the Nvidia Settings button I get "You appear not to be using nvidida drives.. etc." |
| 01:06.36 | ksnp | i tried cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
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| 01:06.46 | ksnp | no sound heard yet, can anyone suggest any other method ? |
| 01:06.47 | dkr | jescis: well, you can if it has a public ip address |
| 01:07.11 | jescis | ooooh |
| 01:07.14 | dkr | ksnp: alsaconf |
| 01:07.29 | cantido | DarkJustice: the guide should tell you how to switch the drivers |
| 01:07.42 | DarkJustice | oh yeah |
| 01:07.44 | DarkJustice | !nvidia |
| 01:07.44 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 01:09.42 | DarkJustice | ok easy, it says to run nvidia-xconig and restart X, yup pretty simple |
| 01:10.40 | DarkJustice | now if I could figure out how to get it to boot only to command line lol |
| 01:11.05 | cantido | DarkJustice: you should have single user mode in your loader.. |
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| 01:11.25 | DarkJustice | cantido: yeah, never tried that... that will take me to a command line interface? |
| 01:11.31 | cantido | DarkJustice: or use your terminal emulator of choice |
| 01:11.47 | cantido | DarkJustice: you can use the "command line" inside of X11.. |
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| 01:11.56 | juptmke | hello |
| 01:12.03 | ksnp | dkr : can you expand on the alsaconf ? i want to test if sound works |
| 01:12.10 | DarkJustice | cantido: yeah but it tells me I have to exit Xserver for it to work when I try that command |
| 01:12.28 | cantido | DarkJustice: Control-Alt-F1 .. |
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| 01:12.45 | cantido | DarkJustice: /etc/init.d/kdm stop, or /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 01:12.54 | ksnp | i foundsomething will try that |
| 01:13.10 | cantido | DarkJustice: then run your command and do /etc/init.d/kdm start, or /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 01:13.34 | dkr | ksnp: it has a test feature after it configs the sound card |
| 01:13.54 | magyar | is the moduke for virtualbox been removed from 2.6.30? |
| 01:14.27 | magyar | s/moduke/module |
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| 01:14.40 | cantido | magyar: the module isn't in the kernel you have to build it |
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| 01:15.01 | cantido | magyar: you do it with virtual boxes init script IIRC .. |
| 01:15.03 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> lenny (debian 5.0.2) released!: /msg dpkg lennyr2 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
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| 01:15.34 | magyar | cantido: sucks, i unstalled 2.6.30, and 2.6.29 is been removed from the repos |
| 01:15.43 | magyar | installed |
| 01:16.24 | ksnp | dkr : i am using vmware, and when i do lspci -nn |egrep -i 's(ou)?nd|audio|media' |
| 01:16.32 | ksnp | it says 00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] [1274:1371] (rev 02) |
| 01:16.37 | magyar | but, m-a seems to work also |
| 01:16.50 | cantido | magyar: you should be able to build the module against 2.6.30 |
| 01:16.57 | ksnp | dkr : i searched on the net and use the above if i run alsaconf, hopefully nothing should happen in terms of installation (to the vmware ) ? |
| 01:17.53 | magyar | cantido: i just did it, seems to work, now only if "fglrx" was working proper |
| 01:18.26 | magyar | the sucker builds, but when modprobe, it just shits itself |
| 01:18.28 | cantido | magyar: having stuff that refuses to work is the fun of running free operating systems :) |
| 01:18.52 | dkr | ksnp: not much you can do inside the installed image can affect vmware since that's at a different level outside of it |
| 01:19.06 | magyar | uh-huh, from your keyboard to his ears |
| 01:19.12 | magyar | -_- |
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| 01:19.38 | dkr | ksnp: but you may have had to do something special ion your host system/vmware config to pass through access to sound card without interference from host system drivers possibly. I'm not a vmware user |
| 01:20.17 | cantido | dkr: vmware emulates some generic pci sound card.. |
| 01:20.31 | ksnp | i see it show <ksnp> dkr : i am using vmware, and when i do lspci -nn |egrep -i 's(ou)?nd|audio|media' |
| 01:20.31 | ksnp | [18:16] <ksnp> it says 00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] [1274:1371] (rev 02) |
| 01:20.48 | cantido | ksnp: does alsamixer work? |
| 01:20.49 | magyar | cantido: , i need to snapshot the system back, 2.6.30 is to unstable just yet, for my knowledge |
| 01:20.56 | ksnp | dunno much about this stuff : |
| 01:21.11 | ksnp | how can i test wihout messing anyting on the vmware ? |
| 01:21.12 | cantido | magyar: I think there is snapshots.debian.org... with snapshots of testing/unstable |
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| 01:21.24 | Black_Phantom | Hello, what could be the reason that scrolling is slow in browsers ? (Especially in Debian ) |
| 01:21.25 | ksnp | actually even if i mess it up its fine |
| 01:21.37 | cantido | ksnp: check you have alsa-base etc installed |
| 01:21.39 | magyar | yeapm i know about that cantido, saved my arse many times |
| 01:21.58 | magyar | snapshot is a wonderful thing |
| 01:23.21 | cantido | <3 incrond |
| 01:24.22 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: flash is sometimes the culprit |
| 01:25.34 | Black_Phantom | abrotman, I see because I recently installed Debian on my laptop, and scrolling wasnt smooth ( Note that I havent installed flash yet ) |
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| 01:26.07 | Black_Phantom | thanks anyways |
| 01:26.07 | cantido | Black_Phantom: apparently scrolling in FF is slow with certain versions of the intel graphics drivers |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: maybe not enough system RAM ? |
| 01:26.18 | Black_Phantom | Well it's 1 GB |
| 01:26.25 | Black_Phantom | I think this is even more than enough |
| 01:26.35 | Black_Phantom | oops :s |
| 01:27.04 | Black_Phantom | I hit that tab button by mistake :/ |
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| 01:28.25 | magyar | why would the dev folks remove 2.6.29 from sid repo, while 2.6.30 is not fully out |
| 01:28.28 | magyar | ? |
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| 01:29.00 | Black_Phantom | cantido, I ran glxgears it has the same FPS rate as the previous distro had but in the previous distro the scrolling was smooth |
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| 01:29.18 | jigp | hello guys good morning.i tried to use ubuntu 9.04 but no luck in using hsdpa weroam(pldt weroam)..anyone tried pldt weroam usb? |
| 01:30.11 | cantido | Black_Phantom: um, what relation does the amazingly useless glxgears benchmark have with scrolling? |
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| 01:31.08 | Black_Phantom | cantido, I used to check if the graphics card driver is installed properly |
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| 01:32.13 | cantido | Black_Phantom: the scrolling issues seem to be due to issue with the 2D acceleration stuff (XAA, EXA and UXA).. glxgears doesn't use any of that stuff |
| 01:32.55 | Black_Phantom | cantido, oh ok |
| 01:32.55 | Black_Phantom | then how can I fix this problem ? |
| 01:33.01 | cantido | Black_Phantom: what drivers are you using? |
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| 01:34.07 | Black_Phantom | cantido a moment please, am away from the laptop, but the graphics card is internal |
| 01:34.56 | vasi | is there a way to just install grub from a netinst CD, without going through the whole system install? |
| 01:35.29 | cantido | Black_Phantom: if it does turn out to be intel.. google "intel firefox slow scrolling" |
| 01:35.36 | cantido | lots and lots of posts about it |
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| 01:36.43 | adb | vasi: boot in rescue mode from cd |
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| 01:37.23 | Black_Phantom | cantido, alright thanks :) I'm checking now |
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| 01:38.43 | gasull | Hi all. /proc should be excluded when doing a backup, right? |
| 01:39.01 | adb | yes |
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| 01:39.25 | gasull | adb: thanks |
| 01:39.54 | adb | always leave out at least /dev, /proc, /sys, /tmp, /var/tmp and/var/run |
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| 01:41.21 | abrotman | !things to backup |
| 01:41.21 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | if that's a tall useful |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | at all |
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| 01:42.43 | predder | how would I go about seeing what processes are using a particular file on Debian? |
| 01:42.59 | simNIX | maybe also do a |
| 01:43.01 | simNIX | dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log |
| 01:43.01 | dpkg | simNIX: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:43.12 | simNIX | and then when reinstalled bare bones do: |
| 01:43.33 | simNIX | dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log |
| 01:43.34 | dpkg | wish i knew, simNIX |
| 01:43.39 | simNIX | then dslect |
| 01:43.45 | simNIX | and the i |
| 01:44.07 | tjader | What is going on with the ia32 stuff on amd64? |
| 01:44.12 | magyar | snapshot doesnt have 2.6.29 |
| 01:44.16 | simNIX | to have all the same packages installed in one go - I added those list to preseed |
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| 01:44.21 | magyar | now that sucks |
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| 01:45.16 | simNIX | predder, lsof maybe what you are after ? |
| 01:46.03 | ray66 | Debian Lenny during boot the process stalls at "waiting for /dev to populate ...done (timeout) this does not happen on every boot only about 1 out 6 but when it happens there is quite a delay in booting ..Is this normal or a sign of a problem |
| 01:46.33 | simNIX | I would 1st rule out hardware |
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| 01:46.43 | predder | thanks simNIX, that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 01:46.50 | simNIX | k |
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| 01:49.24 | Black_Phantom | cantido, when I open xorg.conf , its blank :| |
| 01:50.08 | simNIX | x tend to do the hardword by default currently, thats why - only specifc needs should be in xorg.conf from what I get |
| 01:50.14 | simNIX | *hard work |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: it normally is |
| 01:50.47 | Black_Phantom | abrotman, does it mean it didnt configure the graphics card yet ? |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: no, Xorg probes the hardware and tries to find the best settings for you .. this works well in most cases |
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| 01:52.01 | Black_Phantom | well I found some post to add a section in xorg.conf so that the scrolling would be smooth, but it's blank is it a problem ? or I can just add it ? |
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| 01:53.05 | DarkJustice | cantido: well I think I've narrowed it down to the nvidia driver.. had to use my backup xorg.conf .... when I use the one with the nvidia info, I can't even open a program and it freezes up |
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| 01:53.59 | DrCuriousAndCo | Hey, I'm sorry to ask but I don't know where else to go, but what's the support channel for C++? #cpp is empty? |
| 01:54.20 | ThaMentor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.17 | abrotman | Black_Phantom: just try adding it |
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| 01:56.35 | abrotman | DrCuriousAndCo: ##c++ |
| 01:56.46 | DrCuriousAndCo | Thank you! |
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| 01:57.29 | DarkJustice | ok anyone have other suggestions? VESA driver makes me freeze with certain programs, but the nvidia driver from debian packages, freezes when I do anything |
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| 01:58.02 | hikenboot | hello I have existing partitions from a ubuntu install I am rebuilding the system using debian however the installer shows Home-Logical-Volume, Home-Logical-Volume-real and Home-Logical-Volume-Realp1? What are the Real and Realp1 partitions? |
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| 01:59.32 | hikenboot | I have no snapshots or shouldnt since they were previously deleted (had differnet names anyways) |
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| 02:02.10 | DarkJustice | !nvidia |
| 02:02.10 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 02:03.04 | luch | what do i install for ghostscript 8.5 |
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| 02:03.51 | sunru | hello, i have a question about lenny and the G43 chipset (intel), I installed sid and it runs perfect. Will I have problems with lenny? with packages from VOLATILE |
| 02:03.52 | sunru | ? |
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| 02:04.08 | sunru | luch: gs |
| 02:04.32 | sunru | apt-cache search ghostscript 8.5 |
| 02:05.12 | Black_Phantom | abrotman, scrolling is smooth now thanks, but do you know anyway of downloading emerald theme manager ? I can't find it in the package manager and the source code has many errors. |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:05.34 | CarlFK1 | trying to build http://alioth.debian.org/projects/dvswitch/ getting error: ‘class Glib::RefPtr<Glib::TimeoutSource>’ has no member named ‘reset’ |
| 02:05.35 | sunru | ew compiz |
| 02:05.37 | sunru | P |
| 02:05.41 | craigevil | sunru: if sid works why not just use it? |
| 02:06.16 | Black_Phantom | abrotman, ok man thanks for your help |
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| 02:06.33 | CarlFK1 | guessing I am missing a dep, but dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b didn't complain... any clue what broke? |
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| 02:06.56 | sunru | craigevil: I have to know, desktop and application server for thin clients, so I need to choose. |
| 02:06.58 | flaccid | does debian lenny use SysV for system services ? |
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| 02:07.31 | sunru | flaccid: as opposed to openrc? |
| 02:07.49 | seirmubsa | Alrighty... Now that the dick is out of the picture... |
| 02:07.53 | seirmubsa | adb: Any other place to get the image from right now? |
| 02:07.57 | flaccid | as opposed to something else |
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| 02:09.08 | sunru | if some of these thin clients have the intel chipset. |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | flaccid: yes the sysvinit package is "required" |
| 02:09.42 | sunru | it aint broke. |
| 02:09.52 | sunru | openrc is broke so is the distro promoting it. |
| 02:09.54 | sunru | :D |
| 02:10.09 | seirmubsa | Any way to get the i386 "Small CD" iso? |
| 02:10.09 | flaccid | thanks guys |
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| 02:10.28 | flaccid | just make a psybnc service |
| 02:10.31 | flaccid | making |
| 02:10.41 | sunru | seirmubsa: businesscard iso. |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | seirmubsa: get the netinst ? |
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| 02:10.52 | seirmubsa | Links are all broken. |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | wouldn't use the bizcard |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | seirmubsa: all? |
| 02:11.12 | seirmubsa | All the i386, form what I can tell |
| 02:11.14 | sunru | abrotman: i did for sid :P |
| 02:11.20 | abrotman | doesn't mean everyone should |
| 02:11.39 | seirmubsa | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/debian-502-i386-netinst.iso <= Broken |
| 02:11.45 | sunru | user a mirror |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:12.21 | flaccid | if anyone can recommend a sysv init script for my /etc/init.d/psybnc to base it off, i'd appreciate it |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | flaccid: /etc/init.d/skeleton ? |
| 02:12.46 | seirmubsa | 501 instead of 502? |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | seirmubsa: yes |
| 02:13.08 | flaccid | abrotman ah didn't know about that, i assume thats what i should use then |
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| 02:13.38 | craigevil | can someone post the url for the info about the debiancd servers being down? |
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| 02:13.48 | abrotman | the what? |
| 02:13.59 | craigevil | the mailing list |
| 02:14.03 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.06 | craigevil | thanks |
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| 02:14.23 | abrotman | seems to be working .. i just used it |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/ |
| 02:14.36 | ajavid | kmuto .30 is out |
| 02:14.37 | ajavid | word |
| 02:15.44 | ajavid | not that it matters now since kde3 is lastly supported on stable which is not giong to change |
| 02:16.14 | ajavid | I just discovered that foxytunes addon in firefox requires libstc++5 in order to function correctly with amarok1.4 in stable/iceweasel 3.0.11 |
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| 02:17.11 | ajavid | if kde3 was coming intno squeeze I'd say tell amarok1.4 that this c++ lib is suggested or recommended? i dunno im just thinking... |
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| 02:18.31 | dowtaa_ | !ubuntu |
| 02:18.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:18.49 | dowtaa_ | What are debian's standards? |
| 02:18.56 | gasull | abrotman: late thanks (re: backup) |
| 02:19.35 | dowtaa_ | !standards |
| 02:19.35 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
| 02:19.36 | flaccid | according to debian's heir what is the correct place for me to store psybnc ? |
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| 02:19.51 | dowtaa_ | !Debian Policy |
| 02:19.52 | dpkg | somebody said debian policy was a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 02:19.53 | flaccid | the bad thing is the lack of support for a lot of those standards |
| 02:20.17 | adb | dpkg: tell dowtaa_ about selftell |
| 02:21.02 | dowtaa_ | What is Debian's policy? |
| 02:21.09 | dowtaa_ | That ubuntu doesn't live up to? |
| 02:21.24 | dowtaa_ | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards |
| 02:21.26 | dkr | dowtaa_: read it |
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| 02:22.07 | flaccid | apples aint bananas |
| 02:22.32 | dkr | dowtaa_: licensing issues is the biggest difference, but not living up to debian's standards is also a jibe about quality. :) |
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| 02:22.48 | dowtaa_ | define licensing issues please |
| 02:23.00 | dowtaa_ | rgrds to debian |
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| 02:23.05 | dkr | dowtaa_: debian is more restrictive about things being truly free to be included |
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| 02:23.16 | dowtaa_ | Can you give an example? |
| 02:23.23 | cantido | dowtaa_: firmware |
| 02:23.29 | craigevil | !tell dowtaa_ about dfsg |
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| 02:24.17 | flaccid | can we talk about something productive heh? |
| 02:24.58 | dkr | flaccid: not if you ask pointless questions like that. :) |
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| 02:25.15 | dowtaa_ | What do you mean by firmware? |
| 02:25.29 | flaccid | since when is being productive pointless meh :o |
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| 02:25.51 | dowtaa_ | I already have firmware on my mobo |
| 02:25.53 | dowtaa_ | I don't get it |
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| 02:26.01 | dotCOMmie | anyone run i915 with KMS on debian unstable? Did an upgrade yesterday and now xorg breaks while starting kde |
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| 02:26.11 | Plexor | is there a way to make *apt* not install x11 stuff when i install console only apps ? |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | Plexor: aptitude? |
| 02:26.35 | dowtaa_ | What does Debian do about firmware that Ubuntu doesn't? |
| 02:26.41 | dowtaa_ | Can you explain please |
| 02:26.43 | dowtaa_ | ? |
| 02:26.47 | cantido | dowtaa_: not all vendors use flash or mask roms anymore |
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| 02:27.23 | dowtaa_ | Sorry, I'm a firmware noob, what has this got to do with Debian? |
| 02:27.30 | cantido | dowtaa_: afaik ubuntu are less picky about shipping firmware and binary blobs |
| 02:27.45 | dowtaa_ | So you can update your firmware with Ubuntu? |
| 02:27.48 | Plexor | abrotman, isint that a GUI app? im on a server, and i *dont* want to install anything with GUI stuff (x11, xorg, etc) but apt-get keeps wanting to install gui stuff |
| 02:27.51 | dowtaa_ | on your mobo? |
| 02:28.12 | craigevil | Plexor: disable recommends |
| 02:28.15 | adb | Plexor: install w/o recommend |
| 02:28.16 | cantido | dowtaa_: lots of things have firmware |
| 02:28.24 | Plexor | how to i disable that ? |
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| 02:28.57 | cantido | dowtaa_: most of the electronic things you own have firmware |
| 02:29.00 | relegated | Is it possible to still download Etch, I'm sure it is but Im at a loss as to where and find it |
| 02:29.10 | dowtaa_ | So, if I understand properly, Ubuntu comes with firmware flashing programs from the vendors? |
| 02:29.11 | craigevil | Plexor: to do it permanently in apt.conf or apt.conf.d. put APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | Plexor: no, it's not |
| 02:29.13 | craigevil | APT::Install-Suggests "0"; |
| 02:29.16 | adb | Plexor: man aptitude |
| 02:29.27 | dotCOMmie | is xserver-xorg-core-dbg xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg all I need to get a decent trace on xorg crash? |
| 02:29.29 | Plexor | ok thanks |
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| 02:29.51 | cantido | dowtaa_: no,.. they don't mind shipping closed drivers and firmware blobs for things like wifi cards |
| 02:30.17 | cantido | dowtaa_: it has nothing to do with "flashing"... if the hardware had flashroms you wouldn't need to ship firmware images would you |
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| 02:30.36 | flaccid | anyone care to check my psybnc init script? http://pastie.org/528937 |
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| 02:31.55 | dowtaa_ | So a firmware blob let's you communicate with the firmware? |
| 02:31.55 | elohim | if im not running testing then the following does not belong in sources.list, correct? deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 02:32.00 | elohim | running stable |
| 02:32.00 | craigevil | dotCOMmie: take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:32.28 | craigevil | elohim: running stable or testing? |
| 02:32.42 | dotCOMmie | craigevil: the trace there is not all that detailed |
| 02:32.56 | craigevil | if your using stable then no you shouldnt have testing in your sources.list |
| 02:33.03 | stew | elohim: correct |
| 02:33.30 | cantido | dowtaa_: no, devices such as wireless cards don't have their firmware burnt to an eeprom or flashrom,... they have SRAM and a small loader. The driver has to load the firmware into the device.. hence the need for firmware images. |
| 02:33.52 | dowtaa_ | Ohhhh |
| 02:33.55 | dowtaa_ | Riiight |
| 02:34.03 | dowtaa_ | Never knew that. |
| 02:34.28 | dowtaa_ | You get the firmware images from the vendor right? |
| 02:34.47 | sunru | has anyone installed pgsql 8.3 on lenny? |
| 02:34.48 | cantido | dowtaa_: most firmware images are extracted from windows drivers.. and most of that time it isn't redistributable |
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| 02:35.24 | dotCOMmie | most? probably not, but many non-the-less. |
| 02:35.54 | flaccid | abrotman i guess the skeleton script runs the daemon process as root. is there a proper way to make it run under a specific user ? |
| 02:35.59 | dowtaa_ | meaning they are breaking licence agreements by taking it out of the driver? |
| 02:36.10 | dowtaa_ | and using it in ubuntu? |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | flaccid: man su ? |
| 02:36.21 | gaintsura | whats the name of the package that controls the KDE window themes? |
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| 02:36.30 | flaccid | i'm familiar with su |
| 02:36.44 | flaccid | i am just checking the 'correct' thing in theory |
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| 02:37.10 | craigevil | gaintsura: kde 3.5 it would be in kcontrol |
| 02:37.48 | gaintsura | thanks |
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| 02:38.16 | flaccid | so i guess i'll just modify --exec $DAEMON to be --exec su -c psybnc $DAEMON |
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| 02:38.28 | flaccid | seem reasonable ? |
| 02:39.02 | sunru | no |
| 02:39.04 | flaccid | acutally probably better to modify the assignment of --exec $DAEMON with su -c psybnc |
| 02:39.20 | flaccid | i mean of $DAEMON |
| 02:39.34 | sunru | su - <user> -c <command> |
| 02:39.37 | dowtaa_ | <cantido> dowtaa_: most firmware images are extracted from windows drivers.. and most of that time it isn't redistributable - So if you extract it and give it out, you are breaking the licence agreement? |
| 02:39.52 | cantido | dowtaa_: ping pong |
| 02:39.52 | dowtaa_ | The EULA for the driver? |
| 02:39.56 | elohim | i lost the window manager. kde wont load. xlog ---> http://pastebin.com/m5e1e0abe |
| 02:40.09 | elohim | this is a fresh installation of lenny |
| 02:40.18 | flaccid | that won't play nice with [ -x "$DAEMON" ] || exit 0 |
| 02:40.20 | elohim | kde stopped working before in instlaled fglrx |
| 02:40.34 | elohim | i abided by http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 02:40.34 | flaccid | sunru thanks my bad on the syntax |
| 02:40.35 | dowtaa_ | ping pong? |
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| 02:40.52 | cantido | dowtaa_: ding dong, correct,.. |
| 02:40.54 | dowtaa_ | ok |
| 02:41.23 | dowtaa_ | So these are in the ubuntu repos, even through they breach licence agreements? |
| 02:41.28 | dowtaa_ | Sounds shady... |
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| 02:41.51 | sunru | installed ubuntu on a server once. |
| 02:42.05 | dowtaa_ | Have people tried making their own wireless blobs? |
| 02:42.15 | dowtaa_ | and succeeded? |
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| 02:42.55 | jayyy | hello there. |
| 02:43.03 | flaccid | sunru does this look ok? ($USER is assigned to 'psybnc') start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec "su - $USER -c $DAEMON" --test > /dev/null ? |
| 02:43.14 | cantido | dowtaa_: that was an example... i think theo de raadt got some vendors to give redistribution rights |
| 02:43.33 | jayyy | I got a little question - want to give debian a try- but there aint a package than you can easily grab on one cd and install the packages over net afterwards? e.g. ubuntu style? |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | and yes, some drivers have been reverse engineered |
| 02:43.52 | cantido | dowtaa_: unless you're pretty good at reverse engineering, rewriting firmware is going to be a right pain in the arse |
| 02:43.55 | ajavid | jayyy, yes |
| 02:44.00 | ajavid | jayyy, grab cd1 |
| 02:44.30 | dowtaa_ | Well I have an NVIDIA card |
| 02:44.37 | elohim | what a hack. |
| 02:44.40 | elohim | this doesent even work. |
| 02:44.44 | dowtaa_ | I guess I have to use a blob. |
| 02:45.12 | ajavid | ooh a spaceman. |
| 02:45.30 | elohim | whats wrong witht his ---> http://pastebin.com/m5e1e0abe |
| 02:45.31 | cantido | dowtaa_: if you use nvidia's drivers you are using non-free stuff |
| 02:45.36 | elohim | why do i Not have kde |
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| 02:45.56 | dowtaa_ | That's a problem isn't it? |
| 02:46.36 | ajavid | why do you not have kde? |
| 02:46.40 | ajavid | did you install kde? |
| 02:46.44 | elohim | well yeah/ |
| 02:46.49 | elohim | thats what came with it |
| 02:46.56 | elohim | it's the kde installation |
| 02:46.56 | eviltux | The differences between men and women haha http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/manwoman.html |
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| 02:47.01 | ajavid | kde4 ? |
| 02:47.02 | elohim | no |
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| 02:47.04 | elohim | 3.5 |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | eviltux: wrong channel |
| 02:47.10 | elohim | it's stable |
| 02:47.10 | ajavid | I'm on stable with 3.5 |
| 02:47.14 | ajavid | works wonderfully |
| 02:47.17 | elohim | stable is not so stable |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:47.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:47.19 | ajavid | whats th eproblem |
| 02:47.22 | cantido | dowtaa_: well, there's all sorts of issues. Legal ones like is it legal to interface non-free stuff into GPL stuff,.. and if nvidia go bust theres no way for anyone to continue those drivers |
| 02:47.31 | elohim | ajavid: no kde, just a login prompt |
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| 02:47.36 | elohim | im at the terminal |
| 02:47.37 | ajavid | so login? |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | elohim: did you install kde and kdm ? |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | and xorg |
| 02:48.02 | ajavid | login, aptitude install kdm,as root: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 02:48.14 | eviltux | deah no sense of humor here |
| 02:48.15 | elohim | it had the desktop when it was installed. then it just dis appeared. |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | eviltux: no, it's offtopic, not appreciated, go away |
| 02:48.58 | ajavid | eviltux, difference between man... |
| 02:48.59 | ajavid | and info. |
| 02:49.01 | dowtaa_ | According to Microsoft, 28% of all crashes of their Vista operating system in 2007 were due to bugs in the binary blob drivers for Nvidia graphics cards. |
| 02:49.06 | ajavid | might be ontopic... |
| 02:49.09 | eviltux | abrotman only because you say it? :) |
| 02:49.18 | elohim | i'll just reinstall linux |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | eviltux: please just stop |
| 02:49.23 | flaccid | i got disconnected, did anyone msg me heh |
| 02:49.25 | ajavid | elohim, seriously |
| 02:49.30 | ajavid | elohim, just do what you're told |
| 02:49.39 | ajavid | if you can't login on console, you can't login on kde |
| 02:49.40 | ajavid | or kdm |
| 02:49.48 | elohim | i did log into console |
| 02:49.52 | elohim | im at a bash prompt |
| 02:49.52 | ajavid | do you have your login information? username and password? |
| 02:49.54 | dowtaa_ | Isn't the firmware on your mobo non free? |
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| 02:49.58 | ajavid | elohim, I told you what to do |
| 02:49.58 | flaccid | lol caused by bugs created by vista probably. didn't happen on xp |
| 02:50.03 | elohim | yes ! i said i had kde previously working. |
| 02:50.06 | ajavid | elohim, install fucking KDM |
| 02:50.07 | ajavid | \ffs |
| 02:50.07 | elohim | not it failed |
| 02:50.09 | elohim | kde fial |
| 02:50.11 | dowtaa_ | so If you install linux, you're interfacing non free firmware with free software |
| 02:50.15 | elohim | i do have it installed |
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| 02:50.17 | elohim | it failed |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | elohim: stop hitting enter |
| 02:50.20 | elohim | woefully |
| 02:50.21 | abrotman | elohim: stop hitting enter |
| 02:50.23 | cantido | dowtaa_: there are people working on free firmware for motherboard |
| 02:50.27 | eviltux | abrotman ok, but you have to relax men...this is a chat :)...nice day |
| 02:50.28 | elohim | kde fail |
| 02:50.29 | dowtaa_ | !enter |
| 02:50.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:50.30 | elohim | linux fail |
| 02:50.30 | ajavid | elohim, as root, /etc/init.d/kdm start (pastebin anyerrors) |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | eviltux: try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:50.55 | ajavid | elohim, ok, you are not forced to use linux. Go back to windows |
| 02:50.57 | cantido | dowtaa_: it's not so much a problem interfacing with non-free stuff, it's a problem shipping non-free stuff inside of free stuff |
| 02:51.08 | ajavid | elohim, with this attitude no one will support you. You've started to irritate me slightly. |
| 02:51.09 | dowtaa_ | Ah |
| 02:51.23 | dowtaa_ | So if I download the Nvidia blob after installing debian, that's legal? |
| 02:51.28 | elohim | you keep tellingme to do stuff i already have. |
| 02:51.32 | elohim | i have kdm, kde installed |
| 02:51.35 | elohim | it WAS working |
| 02:51.38 | cantido | dowtaa_: nvidia get around adding non-free stuff into the kernel by having an opensource lump that sits in the kernel and passes stuff to their drivers |
| 02:51.40 | ajavid | elohim, good bye. |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | elohim: which version of debian is this? |
| 02:51.53 | elohim | lenny |
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| 02:51.54 | ajavid | dowtaa_, blob? as in binary drivers from nvidia? |
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| 02:52.04 | dowtaa_ | but if debian shipped with a blob that would be bad |
| 02:52.06 | ajavid | dowtaa_, those are not supported. To setup nvidia drivers in debian, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:52.07 | elohim | debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | that's not lenny |
| 02:52.22 | elohim | oh sorry |
| 02:52.30 | elohim | wrong file, |
| 02:52.45 | flaccid | think of it this way, debian doesn't restrict any choice. you can still install whatever you like :) |
| 02:52.50 | elohim | well i erased the iso, |
| 02:52.52 | elohim | but it's lenny |
| 02:53.06 | cantido | dowtaa_: Debian has strict standards of free-ness. I think a vote was passed to include firmware in the non-free part of the debian repos or something though |
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| 02:53.30 | ajavid | flaccid, yes, but finding support when you're doing things absolutely NOT recommended by debian (especially in the case of nvidia drivers that may overwrite critical files or system locations) |
| 02:53.34 | ajavid | it is not supported here |
| 02:53.35 | ajavid | #nvidia |
| 02:53.49 | ajavid | only debian way of doing things is supported here. |
| 02:54.04 | cantido | ajavid: he's not talking about installing the nvidia drivers really |
| 02:54.11 | flaccid | yeah im not the one looking for support am i |
| 02:54.17 | flaccid | goto ##nvidia whoever that is.. |
| 02:54.21 | cantido | ajavid: so no reason to get your pants in a twist |
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| 02:55.25 | ajavid | if you will get defensive by me trying to let you know whats going on, or if you know, reminding you of how things are, then stop. Its useless. |
| 02:55.30 | ajavid | and I'm wearing boxers right now. |
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| 02:56.17 | cantido | ajavid: but he's not talking about installing the nvidia drivers from nvidia's site.. |
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| 02:56.49 | ajavid | cantido, just /ignore ajavid and call it a night. I don't have time to go back and forth over bullshit. |
| 02:56.57 | ajavid | bye. |
| 02:58.17 | ajavid | ajavid> dowtaa_, blob? as in binary drivers from nvidia? |
| 02:58.23 | ajavid | dowtaa_, what do you mean by blob? |
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| 02:59.02 | gaintsura | could anyone tell me why ktorrent is not taking my newly applied kde theme? the rest of my kde apps are taking it, but not ktorrent |
| 02:59.23 | cantido | ajavid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob |
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| 02:59.42 | ajavid | gaintsura, try to restart ktorrent. also, ktorrent is bugged in the sense that it doesn't send correct headers of torrent traffic back to tracker, meaning ktorrent will likely get you banned on ratio based trackers |
| 02:59.52 | ajavid | gaintsura, I recommend deluge-torrent |
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| 03:00.08 | gaintsura | ajavid: I tried restarting ktorrent, didn't take it |
| 03:00.11 | ajavid | gaintsura, its basedon libtorrent, like rtorrent, and is written in python-gtk, its fantastic |
| 03:00.17 | gaintsura | ajavid: hmm |
| 03:00.19 | craigevil | does deluge do ip blocking ? |
| 03:00.23 | ajavid | yes |
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| 03:00.24 | gaintsura | I'll wait until I finish my download |
| 03:00.30 | ajavid | it can use ip filters lists from many windows programs |
| 03:00.38 | gaintsura | but yeah... I restarted ktorrent and the theme still didn't take |
| 03:00.40 | ajavid | the famous p2p ip blockers stuff, it works |
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| 03:00.50 | cantido | so instead of fixing the issue, run away from it? |
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| 03:01.09 | craigevil | cool i will have to install other than k3b , ktorrent is the only other kde app i use |
| 03:01.19 | cantido | ajavid: ktorrent does most of that stuff you know.. it was one of the first clients to do encryption after all |
| 03:01.19 | ajavid | gaintsura, again, consider using either the kde4 version of ktorrent, or don't use it at all, its not good |
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| 03:01.23 | chut | anyone knows any server software for ddclient? |
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| 03:01.52 | gaintsura | chut: ..? |
| 03:02.04 | ajavid | gaintsura, just becuase it is a KDE app, you don't have to use it. There are much better alternatives. |
| 03:02.07 | gaintsura | ddclient is a client only.. you set it on your server, sign up with a service.. viola |
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| 03:02.26 | gaintsura | ajavid: indeed, I'm a gnome guy myself, but ktorrent actually worked unlike transmission |
| 03:02.41 | ajavid | gaintsura, try deluge, you'll like it |
| 03:02.50 | gaintsura | will do :) |
| 03:02.53 | ajavid | I'm a die hard kde fan, but that app is crap |
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| 03:03.03 | chut | gaintsura : i have ddclient |
| 03:03.07 | gaintsura | ij |
| 03:03.09 | chut | i want to set up a server for it |
| 03:03.15 | chut | what software do i need? |
| 03:03.22 | gaintsura | chut: so you're looking for a DNS Server? |
| 03:03.24 | gaintsura | bind9 |
| 03:03.27 | chut | ohh |
| 03:03.30 | chut | yeah |
| 03:03.32 | ajavid | chut, I do too. you sign up with dyndns.com or something, you instal ddclient, and you go to its config file and input your login data |
| 03:03.36 | gaintsura | otherwise zoneedit.com |
| 03:03.43 | gaintsura | or dyndns |
| 03:03.49 | ajavid | I use ddclient with dyndns (dyndns, dd) whatever. |
| 03:04.05 | jescis | what's the best way to configure the xservers video options? |
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| 03:04.12 | chut | yeah, i want a dns server software |
| 03:04.12 | gaintsura | uses ddclient with zoneedit :D |
| 03:04.16 | gaintsura | chut: bind9 |
| 03:04.17 | chut | do you recommend any? |
| 03:04.19 | chut | ohh |
| 03:04.20 | ajavid | jescis, it auto configured starting from 7.3 |
| 03:04.24 | ajavid | in fact before that even |
| 03:04.27 | chut | thanks gaintsura :) ajavid |
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| 03:04.28 | chut | awesome |
| 03:04.29 | gaintsura | yep |
| 03:04.35 | cantido | chut: do you want a dns server or a dynamic dns server? |
| 03:04.39 | jescis | ajavid, why? |
| 03:04.41 | chut | dns server |
| 03:04.49 | ajavid | jescis, if you need to specify a certain one that doesn't get automagically detected/used, you need to manually edit xorg.conf and add it to the device section as the driver directivde |
| 03:05.05 | ajavid | jescis, drxx config options for video are now gone |
| 03:05.18 | ajavid | most config optios are gone, as things are auto detected |
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| 03:05.51 | cantido | ajavid: you can still specify most things, if you want to |
| 03:06.39 | jescis | ajavid, so would it be better to use the propriatary drivers if the ones used by X doesn't give a display? |
| 03:07.07 | cantido | jescis: What hardware do you have? |
| 03:07.17 | ajavid | jescis, no, in this case you need to scour the logs and find out the problem. VESA always works, so does NV, and most non-modern cards, radeon/radeonhd |
| 03:07.20 | ajavid | intel always works |
| 03:07.23 | jescis | cantido, ATI Radeon 9550 |
| 03:07.38 | ajavid | jescis, you don't want/need proprietary drivers |
| 03:07.53 | ajavid | jescis, you need to look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 03:08.06 | jescis | ajavid, what about compiz-fusion? |
| 03:08.16 | ajavid | that could play a role |
| 03:08.24 | cantido | jescis: 3D performance will probably be better with the ATI drivers |
| 03:08.30 | ajavid | jescis, keep compiz fusion off until you get your desktop back. |
| 03:08.36 | ajavid | jescis, as for 3d performance, radeon is fine. |
| 03:08.57 | ajavid | jescis, for hardcore gaming you need proprietary drivers, but for the most part, ati free radeon driver is superb |
| 03:09.11 | ajavid | I use it for exlusively for 3d gaming in stable debian on X1900xt |
| 03:09.23 | ajavid | and I use compiz-fusion simultaneously with tons of effects/plugins |
| 03:09.28 | ajavid | its 100% a-ok |
| 03:09.30 | cantido | wonders what hardcore gaming there is for Debian... |
| 03:09.38 | ajavid | !debgames |
| 03:09.38 | dpkg | hmm... debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 03:09.47 | ajavid | irc.debian.org #debian-games |
| 03:09.51 | dowtaa_ | How do I install Debian? |
| 03:09.54 | cantido | ajavid: yes, some shitty fps ports.. hardcore |
| 03:09.56 | dowtaa_ | with net installer? |
| 03:10.11 | dowtaa_ | What about gentoo, i heard gentoo is good? |
| 03:10.15 | ajavid | 10:05 Ignoring ALL from cantido |
| 03:10.20 | ajavid | fucking useless. |
| 03:10.43 | ajavid | dowtaa_, read the debian install guide, and whatever quetions you can't find answers to, ask here |
| 03:10.56 | ajavid | dowtaa_, until you read the debian installation guide, do not ask here how to install it. |
| 03:11.04 | cantido | I doubt there's any games that'll run on linux that wouldn't run with a 3 year old card.. thats just how it is |
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| 03:12.12 | dowtaa_ | Should I use gentoo or debian? |
| 03:12.25 | ajavid | dowtaa_, I'd go with Ubuntu. |
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| 03:12.35 | cantido | dowtaa_: being in #debian, most people would say debian ;) |
| 03:12.43 | dowtaa_ | except ajavid |
| 03:12.46 | ajavid | dowtaa_, or is that not the answer you were looking for? |
| 03:12.52 | cantido | ajavid: that's because he's a numpty |
| 03:12.58 | ajavid | you're in debian, obviouly people here will tell you debian over gentoo |
| 03:13.03 | ajavid | stop asking stupid qeustions ffs. |
| 03:13.10 | dowtaa_ | Why |
| 03:13.22 | dowtaa_ | Why should I use Debian over Gentoo? |
| 03:13.29 | cantido | !why |
| 03:13.29 | dpkg | Because! |
| 03:13.32 | ajavid | !tell dowtaa_ -about why debian |
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| 03:14.53 | ajavid | 10:08 < dowtaa_> Why should I use Debian over Gentoo? <- now this... is a million dollar question. So many reasons, I can't even tell you on irc. Just go read :) |
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| 03:15.31 | adb | dowtaa_: you shouldn't |
| 03:15.36 | ajavid | dowtaa_, you should also look up what gentoo is, how it is structured, whats it about, etc. etc, before you jump into it |
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| 03:15.59 | jescis | likes both. But if one doesn't work then I go to another |
| 03:16.00 | ajavid | dowtaa_, that will pretty much put everything in perspective for you |
| 03:16.25 | cantido | jescis: you mean you move distro is something doesn't work? :/ |
| 03:16.48 | jescis | cantido, yeah |
| 03:16.50 | ajavid | binary distro vs source only distro... for a newb who has to ask if he should use a binary or a source... you don't want source.. stick with debian is my advice |
| 03:17.15 | jescis | I'd agree |
| 03:17.23 | cantido | jescis: mmm bit overkill isn't it? it's mostly the same software across the board |
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| 03:17.35 | ajavid | see |
| 03:18.32 | ajavid | debian is like a hot big tittied woman, and who doesn't like a big tittied woman? I know I do. The % of gay people is very very minor. For the most part, everyone likes debian :) (just look at how many distros in the world have used debian as a base, or are debian offshoots) |
| 03:18.43 | ajavid | quality speaks for itself dude. Stick with the quality distro |
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| 03:19.05 | cantido | so all female debian users are lesbians? |
| 03:19.20 | jescis | cantido, not necessarily. packaging and other things differ. like ubuntu != good in my case imo. But debian is better at things too. |
| 03:19.24 | karlpinc | Correct me if I'm wrong, but gentoo does not have a stable release, which means that anything could break at any time. |
| 03:19.27 | hikenboot | how do I get the lvm command to not run off screen it doesnt support piping to less or more? |
| 03:19.54 | karlpinc | hikenboot : foo 2>&1 | less |
| 03:19.57 | cantido | jescis: ummm but by things not working, do you mean hardware or a piece of software? |
| 03:20.02 | ajavid | hikenboot, how long is it? |
| 03:20.15 | hikenboot | 2 or 3 pages |
| 03:20.15 | ajavid | hikenboot, you can alway scroll up ;) |
| 03:20.17 | jescis | cantido, depends |
| 03:20.21 | ajavid | shift+page up/down |
| 03:20.40 | hikenboot | ah ok thanks |
| 03:20.55 | ajavid | yup |
| 03:21.44 | karlpinc | ajavid : That works at the console? For how many screens? |
| 03:21.52 | ajavid | dunno |
| 03:22.23 | ajavid | Imean |
| 03:22.41 | ajavid | did you guys seriously think that people in olden times using strictly console couldn't scroll up or down? |
| 03:22.45 | ajavid | c'mon... |
| 03:22.49 | jescis | cool!! :o~~~ |
| 03:22.52 | karlpinc | hikenboot : There's also 'script'. |
| 03:23.28 | karlpinc | ajavid : In olden times you just picked up the pile of paper behind the teletype and found what you wanted. |
| 03:23.56 | jescis | beleives most didn't think of it. |
| 03:24.04 | ajavid | uhuh |
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| 03:26.23 | jescis | But shift+page up doesn't work after changing to/from another tty :\ |
| 03:26.27 | cantido | when bash handles pipes, does it spawn both processes and feed the output of one into the other in realtime? or is it buffered until the first process has finished? |
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| 03:26.37 | hikenboot | how do i umount a logical volume? umount /dev/Home-Volume-Group/Home-Logical-Volume doesnt work |
| 03:27.06 | cantido | hikenboot: what error message do you get? |
| 03:27.20 | dowtaa_ | !gentoo |
| 03:27.20 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. http://bash.org//?464385 , or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:28.06 | hikenboot | invalid arguement |
| 03:28.20 | ajavid | !gentoosmite dowtaa_ |
| 03:28.20 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling dowtaa_, and when it's all done, dowtaa_ runs 0.6% faster than previously |
| 03:28.33 | vimpulse | lol :) |
| 03:28.38 | cantido | hikenboot: if you run mount without any parameters does it show that volume as being mounted? |
| 03:28.42 | ajavid | vimpulse, :D |
| 03:28.48 | dowtaa_ | holy crap |
| 03:28.58 | dowtaa_ | 0.6%, imagine how many CPU cycles that is |
| 03:29.02 | dowtaa_ | amazing. |
| 03:29.06 | cantido | thought gentoo had binary packages |
| 03:29.19 | cantido | dowtaa_: recompile something like SDLMame... |
| 03:29.28 | vimpulse | cantido: not for most applications. For example, I don't think there are binary packages for Firefox. |
| 03:29.48 | vimpulse | FreeBSD has binary packages for almost everything though. |
| 03:29.51 | mischief- | can anyone tell me why when i type 'set' in bash i get a very long shell script instead of seeing set variables |
| 03:29.58 | cantido | vimpulse: mm thats a bit shitty then.. I thought they had ports and packages ala BSD |
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| 03:30.29 | ajavid | mischief-, its what it does |
| 03:30.40 | hikenboot | mkdir /home mount...causes device or resource busy |
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| 03:30.52 | mischief- | ajavid: uh what do you mean |
| 03:30.56 | cantido | mischief-: maybe export is what you want instead? |
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| 03:31.03 | vimpulse | ajavid: type: ( set | less ). What do you see? |
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| 03:31.30 | sunru | hello, can anyone help me setup postgresql 8.3 on debian? How do I configure it? |
| 03:31.41 | mischief- | i'm trying to figure out why X applications are launching on a different server than the one i want, by seeing what the environment variable for it is |
| 03:31.43 | vimpulse | sunru: did you search the web first? |
| 03:31.47 | sunru | oh ffs |
| 03:31.53 | cantido | mischief-: echo $DISPLAY |
| 03:31.53 | vimpulse | sunru: i am serious. |
| 03:32.07 | ajavid | set allows you to change the values of shell options and set the positional parameters, or to display the names and values of shell variables. |
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| 03:32.09 | sunru | vimpulse: yes, no idea bout the debian conventions. |
| 03:32.20 | ajavid | mischief-, see the 2nd part |
| 03:32.33 | vimpulse | sunru: what was the web search you tried? what information did you want that it didn't give you? :) |
| 03:32.40 | ajavid | mischief-, if no options or arguments are supplied, set displays the names and values of all shell variables and functions, sorted according to the current locale, in a format that may be reused as input for setting or resetting the currently-set variables. |
| 03:32.43 | mischief- | ah yes i typed 'env' |
| 03:32.48 | ajavid | mischief-, once again, ITS WHAT it fucking does. |
| 03:32.55 | sunru | vimpulse: don't be useless. |
| 03:33.10 | mischief- | ajavid: no need to use that language :\ |
| 03:33.19 | cantido | mischief-: you can see exported environment variables with export |
| 03:33.24 | ajavid | fuck fuckity fuck fuckarooni. |
| 03:33.27 | sunru | will get 8.3 source put it in /usr/local if i can't get it set up the "debian way" |
| 03:33.32 | cantido | mischief-: the one you're looking for is DISPLAY |
| 03:33.33 | tlyu | mischief-: if your shell setup includes many shell functions, the output of "set" may look much more like a shell script than a list of environment variable settings |
| 03:33.43 | mischief- | cantido: that won't give me the same as 'env' will it..? |
| 03:33.51 | ajavid | mischief-, http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Set-Builtin.html |
| 03:33.56 | ajavid | mischief-, get readin'. |
| 03:34.02 | sunru | fuck it |
| 03:34.03 | cantido | mischief-: I think they are much the same thing |
| 03:34.06 | sunru | d/ls 8.3 source |
| 03:34.13 | vimpulse | sunru: if you don't answer the people who try to help you, you don't get help. |
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| 03:34.22 | cantido | sunru: is there not a package? or are you having issues with the package? |
| 03:34.43 | sunru | vimpulse: Your not a helper you know as a irc "ANUS" |
| 03:34.47 | vimpulse | dear all -- I am using the "vesa" Xorg driver on Debian squeeze. When I run the 2D game smc, it complains because my X server doesn't have the extension "GLX". Why doesn't the game simply use software rendering? |
| 03:35.00 | sunru | and a noob |
| 03:35.02 | sunru | typical. |
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| 03:35.10 | ajavid | guys |
| 03:35.12 | ajavid | stop |
| 03:35.22 | pl4yer0ne | heheh irc bitch fight |
| 03:35.28 | cantido | vimpulse: what does glxinfo say? |
| 03:35.39 | mischief- | ah, i fixed it, i changed DISPLAY from localhost:10.0 to localhost:11.0 :) |
| 03:35.41 | dowtaa_ | What makes debian better than gentoo |
| 03:35.44 | cantido | vimpulse: should say something about using the mesa software rendered |
| 03:35.45 | dowtaa_ | please explain |
| 03:35.52 | vimpulse | cantido: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual |
| 03:35.55 | cantido | whaa: render'er... |
| 03:36.20 | cantido | vimpulse: well, with vesa you don't have that. Is it SDL by any chance? |
| 03:36.40 | vimpulse | cantido: I don't know |
| 03:36.51 | pl4yer0ne | dowtaa_, Do your own research. |
| 03:36.55 | vimpulse | mischief-: good :) |
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| 03:37.09 | vimpulse | cantido: I don't have what? What is GLX? |
| 03:37.29 | cantido | vimpulse: If you're using the vesa driver you don't have things like hardware surfaces etc that SDL will be trying to use,.. most free games are SDL based |
| 03:37.44 | cantido | vimpulse: GLX.. openGL extention, or something along those lines |
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| 03:38.01 | vimpulse | cantido: couldn't the game use software rendering, instead of forcing me to install 3D drivers? |
| 03:38.04 | vimpulse | :) |
| 03:38.27 | cantido | vimpulse: software rendering would still probably want hardware surfaces |
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| 03:38.53 | cantido | vimpulse: those messages are usually harmless though. they come out when SDL goes looking around to find what it should use |
| 03:39.06 | vimpulse | cantido: the game doesn't run. |
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| 03:39.36 | cantido | vimpulse: what game is it? and more importantly why are you using the vesa driver? |
| 03:40.29 | vimpulse | cantido: like I said, smc :) -- that is Secret Maryo Chronicles. I am using vesa because my copy of Debian is installed on a 16GB USB-attached SD card that I move between two laptops periodically. |
| 03:40.39 | vimpulse | One has nvidia, one has intel graphics. |
| 03:41.18 | cantido | vimpulse: oh, leaving the driver name out of the xorg.conf wouldn't solve that issue? |
| 03:41.40 | jescis | vimpulse, what do I do to get it like that? |
| 03:42.01 | jescis | :o~~~ |
| 03:42.03 | vimpulse | cantido: there is no driver name in my xorg.conf. Odd. Let me read my Xorg logs and see what's going wrong. |
| 03:42.18 | vimpulse | jescis: to get debian on a usb stick? |
| 03:42.42 | jescis | vimpulse, to get X without my video cards driver |
| 03:43.12 | vimpulse | jescis: X works fine without installing any video driver. But most games will not work. |
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| 03:43.37 | dowtaa_ | http://chuangtzu.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:43.41 | dowtaa_ | Not found |
| 03:43.41 | dowtaa_ | help |
| 03:43.43 | jescis | I always get "no signal" when X is loaded :\ |
| 03:43.58 | cantido | vimpulse: not sure SDL works with the vesa drivers |
| 03:44.19 | vimpulse | jescis: no signal? what is no signal? |
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| 03:46.36 | vimpulse | cantido: I am off to #xorg. In five minutes or so, if Googling doesn't help, I will ask there for help with display card autodetection. |
| 03:46.50 | jescis | vimpulse, It would be the same as a monitor that had a orange led instead of green and a black screen |
| 03:47.08 | craigevil | ajavid: thank you for mentioning deluge it is tons fastr than ktorrent |
| 03:47.53 | vimpulse | jescis: ah, I understand now. You can pastebin your xorg log then ask #xorg for help. But not me, I am busy :) |
| 03:48.05 | morpheuss | can we add voice call support to pidgin |
| 03:48.15 | jescis | vimpulse, ok :) |
| 03:48.29 | dowtaa_ | Where can I download lenny (5.0.2)? |
| 03:48.47 | morpheuss | www.debian.org dowtaa |
| 03:49.03 | dowtaa_ | can you link me |
| 03:49.11 | dowtaa_ | I can't find a working download link |
| 03:49.14 | dowtaa_ | to net installer |
| 03:49.18 | dowtaa_ | amd64 |
| 03:49.45 | seirmubsa | ^ |
| 03:50.12 | dowtaa_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:50.14 | dowtaa_ | doesn't work |
| 03:50.18 | dowtaa_ | try it |
| 03:50.25 | ajavid | craigevil, you're welcomen |
| 03:51.00 | valan | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:51.07 | dowtaa_ | That's isn't 5.0.2 |
| 03:51.12 | dowtaa_ | that's 5.0.1 |
| 03:51.18 | dowtaa_ | that* |
| 03:51.21 | valan | seems they updated the download page to 5.0.2 without uploading the 5.0.2 stuff |
| 03:51.40 | dowtaa_ | .... |
| 03:51.48 | seirmubsa | http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2009/06/msg00052.html ? |
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| 03:52.23 | valan | either take 5.0.1 now and upgrade, or wait a little longer for 5.0.2, or see if it's on a mirror |
| 03:52.34 | dowtaa_ | is upgrading safe? |
| 03:52.38 | valan | yes |
| 03:52.42 | dowtaa_ | or is it better to do a full install |
| 03:52.59 | vimpulse | morpheuss: #debian cannot do that. Use ekiga or skype instead. Or maybe psi. Or pay the pidgin team sponsorship money to add the feature you want. :) |
| 03:53.20 | valan | well if you can't get 5.0.2 then it's better to get 5.0.1 and do a nice 'aptitude safe-upgrade' |
| 03:53.43 | valan | since getting 5.0.2 is obviously not better if you can't do it |
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| 03:54.14 | morpheuss | hehe thanks vimpulse |
| 03:54.19 | valan | have you checked a mirror? |
| 03:54.22 | vimpulse | dowtaa_: aptitude safe-upgrade will give you 5.0.2. |
| 03:54.32 | dowtaa_ | lost all its disk enclosures |
| 03:54.35 | vimpulse | morpheuss: :) which option do you think you will try, if any? |
| 03:54.36 | dowtaa_ | what does that mean |
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| 03:55.06 | morpheuss | buzzing ;-) |
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| 03:55.16 | vimpulse | morpheuss: what? |
| 03:56.05 | morpheuss | what u mean exactly by if any? |
| 03:57.39 | vimpulse | morpheuss: are you going to use ekiga or skype instead? Or psi? Or pay the pidgin team sponsorship money to add the feature you want? Or none of those choices? |
| 03:57.40 | dowtaa_ | does debian rock? |
| 03:57.46 | dowtaa_ | is it better than ubuntu? |
| 03:57.56 | dowtaa_ | it better rock |
| 03:58.00 | morpheuss | hahaha vimpulse |
| 03:58.12 | dowtaa_ | or I want my money back |
| 03:58.16 | morpheuss | i will try ekiga may be |
| 03:58.46 | morpheuss | what you suggest vimpulse |
| 03:58.54 | morpheuss | which one is cool? |
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| 03:59.14 | dowtaa_ | should I use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:59.36 | morpheuss | use aptitude its advanced then apt |
| 03:59.39 | vimpulse | morpheuss: i don't know. I have copped out and installed skype to save time. But it is closed source. |
| 03:59.47 | valan | use either |
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| 03:59.53 | morpheuss | oh |
| 03:59.57 | valan | whichever you find yourself more comfortable with |
| 04:00.19 | vimpulse | morpheuss: I tried ekiga years ago on Linux and recently on Linux, but have never gotten it to work. |
| 04:00.21 | morpheuss | but pidgin team doesnt feel need for adding voice based plugins |
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| 04:00.26 | vimpulse | morpheuss: *recently on Windows |
| 04:01.11 | dowtaa_ | Why does linus use fedora, red hat is the MS of the linux world isn't it? |
| 04:01.51 | morpheuss | dont compare GNU/LINUX with ms |
| 04:02.12 | vimpulse | dowtaa_: more the K-Mart of the Linux world. |
| 04:02.31 | vimpulse | or the McDonalds. |
| 04:02.34 | dowtaa_ | How do you mean? |
| 04:03.28 | morpheuss | its goddess in software dowtaa_ |
| 04:03.37 | dowtaa_ | goddess? |
| 04:03.47 | cantido | dowtaa_: what linus uses doesn't matter that much |
| 04:04.09 | morpheuss | now i think god its changed to god |
| 04:04.12 | seirmubsa | In the installation process... What is the fricking button to toggle a component? :/ |
| 04:04.21 | morpheuss | LEoanardo fedora11 |
| 04:04.34 | vimpulse | cantido: ah, I see in my Xorg log that I still have the non-free Nvidia libglx.so installed from a long time ago. I will get rid of it now. |
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| 04:05.31 | morpheuss | how many guys believe in philosophy what RMS put forwards |
| 04:05.31 | morpheuss | ? |
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| 04:05.47 | morpheuss | i mean fsf stuff! |
| 04:05.50 | purplepenguins | I use what works, and I don't think much beyond that. |
| 04:06.36 | cantido | morpheuss: It makes a lot more sense when you've actually had to work with a piece of closed software that from a long gone company |
| 04:07.10 | vimpulse | cantido: surely the source to that long gone company's software still exists somewhere. |
| 04:07.10 | morpheuss | like what? |
| 04:07.35 | cantido | vimpulse: yeah, try getting hold of it |
| 04:07.41 | vimpulse | cantido: fair. |
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| 04:08.11 | valan | i go along with the idea of free software |
| 04:08.14 | morpheuss | so you believe in freedom0,1,2,3 |
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| 04:08.20 | morpheuss | cantido? |
| 04:08.20 | valan | but unlike rms i don't make it my religion |
| 04:08.38 | purplepenguins | I choose free when it is a workable choice. |
| 04:08.48 | vimpulse | morpheuss: customs enforcement-related database client software which only works if you have an MS-DOS machine connected via a proprietary PC-to-mainframe networking card which is nearly impossible to buy anymore if it breaks. |
| 04:09.04 | cantido | morpheuss: I agree with having software as open as possible |
| 04:09.07 | vimpulse | cantido: what is your example? :) |
| 04:09.14 | flaccid | i'm trying to make a system service for psybnc with /etc/init.d/skel the problem is that psybnc does not have cli param for its config file, so i have to cd first into its directory. how do i do that with the script ? |
| 04:09.36 | valan | cd /path/to/the/directory |
| 04:09.51 | cantido | vimpulse: spending three weeks with IDA working out how some crappy file protection worked to get the data out of some old files |
| 04:10.03 | flaccid | if i use a wrapper script and call that with start-stop-daemon it won't know the pid for it nor will it record it. so what do i do |
| 04:10.19 | morpheuss | nice one cantido |
| 04:10.54 | valan | generally pid is kept in /var/run |
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| 04:11.07 | vimpulse | cantido: ouch. Which software used that file protection? |
| 04:11.07 | flaccid | valan that is correct. |
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| 04:11.20 | valan | so what's the problem then? |
| 04:11.47 | cantido | vimpulse: old dos app if I remember correctly |
| 04:11.50 | flaccid | i just described the problem |
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| 04:12.00 | vimpulse | cantido: a game? a spreadsheet? what? :) |
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| 04:12.04 | valan | i'm not understanding |
| 04:12.10 | valan | use /var/run to store and retrieve the pid |
| 04:12.28 | cantido | vimpulse: I think it was a system to run a video rental place or something |
| 04:12.40 | vimpulse | morpheuss: full disclosure -- those details i mentioned before are rusty and maybe wrong. |
| 04:12.41 | flaccid | valan i call it in the /etc/init.d/psybnc like start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $PSYSCRIPT --test . i have to call PSYSCRIPT which is a wrapper script to cd first to its dir. this won't record the pid. |
| 04:12.55 | valan | why won't it? |
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| 04:13.20 | valan | use pidof in the script to retrieve the pid |
| 04:13.20 | flaccid | i assume because its calling a script which then dies. the script calls the real executable |
| 04:13.35 | valan | then store that pid in /var/run |
| 04:13.42 | flaccid | how so? how do you mean |
| 04:13.58 | valan | pidof psybnc > /var/run/psybnc.pid |
| 04:14.01 | flaccid | the script will die, once its executed. |
| 04:14.03 | morpheuss | nice copy righted quote vimpulse |
| 04:14.14 | morpheuss | i liked it vimpulse |
| 04:14.43 | valan | eh i can't help you flaccid i need to go to work and i'm not understanding your problem |
| 04:15.01 | vimpulse | morpheuss: which quote? |
| 04:15.27 | flaccid | valan err psybnc.sh calls /usr/local/psybnc/psybnc . it has no idea what the pid will be to pipe it to the file. |
| 04:15.28 | morpheuss | full disclosure its kind of quote i found many days back |
| 04:15.38 | valan | eh i can't help you flaccid i need to go to work and i'm not understanding your problem |
| 04:15.44 | flaccid | meh |
| 04:16.08 | vimpulse | morpheuss: ah. i think you meant my "statement" or my "disclosure", not my "quote". :) |
| 04:16.18 | vimpulse | thank you for the compliment though. |
| 04:16.31 | cantido | morpheuss: you realise essentially everything is "copyrighted"? |
| 04:16.44 | flaccid | valan if you look at man start-stop-daemon you will see that it gets the pid from what it calls. if it calls a script, it will use the script pid which dies and not what the script calls. |
| 04:16.51 | valan | eh i can't help you flaccid i need to go to work and i'm not understanding your problem |
| 04:16.57 | morpheuss | yep every softwaree by default gets a copyright |
| 04:16.58 | vimpulse | I don't think I like the Geneva Convention. |
| 04:17.01 | flaccid | no shit |
| 04:17.20 | valan | generally that means stop asking me about your problem |
| 04:17.42 | cantido | morpheuss: you could claim copyrights on everything you write or say if you wanted |
| 04:17.43 | vimpulse | flaccid: there are 13 year olds here (and maybe younger) and we must set a good example for them :) |
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| 04:17.51 | morpheuss | thats y we have GPL license |
| 04:17.56 | vimpulse | i wonder what's the youngest person you've ever seen on Freenode? |
| 04:18.03 | flaccid | vimpulse i have no idea what you are on about |
| 04:18.11 | flaccid | keep your 13 year olds to yourself thanks |
| 04:18.19 | morpheuss | how old you are vimpulse |
| 04:18.22 | morpheuss | ? |
| 04:18.23 | vimpulse | flaccid: "no s***" |
| 04:18.25 | vimpulse | flaccid: 24 |
| 04:18.32 | flaccid | big deal |
| 04:18.50 | flaccid | have a look at the world we live in. |
| 04:19.05 | vimpulse | for me, it was 13 (and he was a wikipedia admin). that is where I got the number 13 from. |
| 04:19.07 | morpheuss | anybody 13 or < 13 here |
| 04:19.18 | vimpulse | they may be lurking right now and afk. |
| 04:19.27 | flaccid | lets just shelter our kids |
| 04:19.34 | flaccid | from the real world |
| 04:19.39 | flaccid | of dictionary words |
| 04:19.40 | cantido | vimpulse: bad words are only bad because someone made you think that |
| 04:19.49 | flaccid | cantido agreed |
| 04:19.59 | vimpulse | cantido: flaccid: yes. they're bad by generally accepted convention. |
| 04:20.07 | vimpulse | that gives the words power. |
| 04:20.11 | morpheuss | agrees with cantido |
| 04:20.20 | flaccid | vimpulse "generally accepted convention". pfft no such thing |
| 04:20.29 | vimpulse | accepted by most. |
| 04:20.33 | flaccid | goes and makes up some of his own terms |
| 04:20.54 | cantido | vimpulse: I think the whole concept comes from religion, not common sense |
| 04:20.55 | flaccid | vimpulse ok, so do you think that most of 3rd world africa and asia is most |
| 04:21.03 | flaccid | lets just make more stupid generalisations |
| 04:21.09 | morpheuss | no cantido? |
| 04:21.22 | flaccid | you have no idea where i am or what my culture is, yet somehow you are speaking for 'most' |
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| 04:21.45 | morpheuss | its more related to culture where you live in |
| 04:21.46 | vimpulse | flaccid: ok, *accepted by most people in the USA, Canada, and Britain. |
| 04:22.05 | cantido | vimpulse: Brits love a bloody good swear I'll have you know |
| 04:22.10 | flaccid | vimpulse pfft. this is a global channel |
| 04:22.29 | flaccid | vimpulse and guess what all of those three countries put the word shit into the dictionary |
| 04:22.37 | vimpulse | flaccid: agreed |
| 04:22.41 | flaccid | and all of those three countries swear |
| 04:22.48 | flaccid | and shit is not even a swear word in most countries |
| 04:22.51 | flaccid | im from australia |
| 04:22.56 | flaccid | every 2nd word is shit |
| 04:23.08 | morpheuss | flaccid: agreed |
| 04:23.09 | cantido | flaccid: I thought it was mate? |
| 04:23.15 | vimpulse | ha :) |
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| 04:23.37 | flaccid | classification is kind of one of those things we do to segragate |
| 04:23.43 | Lns | wanders into the UN meeting |
| 04:23.51 | flaccid | there is no need to censor self-expression |
| 04:24.02 | flaccid | it is the most basic form of human behaviour |
| 04:24.15 | morpheuss | welcome Lns aboard |
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| 04:24.27 | cantido | you can be offensive without using "dirty words".. |
| 04:24.31 | vimpulse | flaccid: maybe you are right. |
| 04:24.52 | vimpulse | cantido: agreed. |
| 04:24.56 | flaccid | totally. i could offend you with 1 sentence that totally insults you without using anything like shit |
| 04:25.03 | flaccid | vote 1 cantido |
| 04:25.49 | cantido | there again, I wouldn't go to a job interview and start swearing.. there is such a thing as manners after all ;~) |
| 04:26.01 | flaccid | vimpulse well thats where you go wrong again. its not being about right. thats your notion.. |
| 04:26.32 | flaccid | yeah what a pity irc != corporate environment |
| 04:27.18 | cantido | mmm the language in my office gets pretty bad.. |
| 04:27.41 | flaccid | yeah |
| 04:27.44 | morpheuss | so how you would react if anybody uses rough language |
| 04:27.54 | morpheuss | flaccid: / |
| 04:27.54 | flaccid | its certainly far worse than a shit |
| 04:27.55 | cantido | and there have been skateboarding accidents.. |
| 04:28.04 | vimpulse | words *can* hurt. Look at what sunru said to me -- it stung. <sunru> vimpulse: Your not a helper you know as a irc "ANUS" |
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| 04:28.35 | vimpulse | and that wasn't even a swear word, just a body part name. |
| 04:28.47 | flaccid | yeah |
| 04:28.52 | flaccid | i think its ironic |
| 04:28.57 | flaccid | "family friendly" |
| 04:28.58 | cantido | vimpulse: everyone grows a massive set of balls when their on irc, it's something you have to deal with |
| 04:29.10 | vimpulse | (stew was kind enough to speak to him about it.) |
| 04:29.20 | vimpulse | cantido: no, ops' power should moderate such things. |
| 04:29.21 | flaccid | well there is a lot of families that swear consistently |
| 04:29.51 | morpheuss | they cant hang around looking for crap i guess |
| 04:30.00 | flaccid | what family are you talking about there? a family with there noses up and rich and posh where it would be so out of class to say an expletive |
| 04:30.07 | morpheuss | then what for we have bots |
| 04:30.17 | cantido | vimpulse: I wouldn't get hurt be anything on IRC... if I did real life would be hell. |
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| 04:30.38 | morpheuss | cantido: real optimistic guy cool |
| 04:30.52 | flaccid | i might just go jump in my family friendly car |
| 04:31.00 | flaccid | which i don't take any 13 year olds in |
| 04:31.07 | flaccid | and drive up the road |
| 04:31.16 | flaccid | cyas (for now) |
| 04:31.24 | cantido | has been chased out of my fiancees house by her crazy racist granddad in the past |
| 04:31.50 | morpheuss | racist? |
| 04:32.23 | jescis | to anyone who wants to be in a family friendly irc channel... GET OVER YOURSELF! ;p |
| 04:32.34 | morpheuss | lol |
| 04:32.47 | cantido | morpheuss: yeah, whities == no good, haha |
| 04:33.35 | morpheuss | oh is it still exists in this modern era |
| 04:33.40 | morpheuss | how lame |
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| 04:34.30 | cantido | shit like that isn't worth worrying about, I wouldn't loose sleep over someone calling me a dick on IRC |
| 04:34.37 | burd | does anyone know why NON E fo the links to images on the debian.org site lead to knowhere? |
| 04:34.39 | flaccid | news flash: 13 year old boy sues irc channel for a user saying the word 'shit' |
| 04:34.48 | cantido | oh shit! |
| 04:34.49 | flaccid | 'claiming he is now scarred for life' |
| 04:35.15 | flaccid | news flash: plaintiff looses battle because defenese demonstrates the results of google search 'sex' |
| 04:35.15 | vimpulse | cantido: i wasn't hurt, but i did get angry for a short time. |
| 04:35.20 | jescis | family friendly != irc... family friendly == aim/msn/icq or any other messenger >.> |
| 04:35.21 | flaccid | rofl |
| 04:35.35 | cantido | flaccid: in the UK there was advice sent out to teachers to look out for racist signs.. kids that don't like spicey food are defo future racists apparently |
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| 04:35.53 | morpheuss | hahaha |
| 04:36.10 | jescis | ahahahaha |
| 04:36.14 | flaccid | cantido yeah the mainstream world is pretty off chops. im in australia so you can imagine the bullshit that goes on here in any regard |
| 04:36.37 | flaccid | on that note im going to take my family friendly dogs to the family friend park |
| 04:36.40 | flaccid | take it easy for now |
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| 04:36.50 | vimpulse | flaccid: :) |
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| 04:37.13 | jescis | hates the french and wouldn't mind giving back the liberty statue... >.> |
| 04:37.18 | cantido | flaccid: your dog better not look at children the wrong way! |
| 04:37.24 | sunru | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35862, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510658 |
| 04:37.26 | sunru | LAME |
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| 04:38.00 | jescis | ltns jetscreamer :)\ |
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| 04:38.44 | jetscreamer | and not for long, either :/ |
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| 04:39.09 | vimpulse | Does sunru come here often? |
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| 04:39.20 | nak | hi |
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| 04:39.35 | vimpulse | hi, please state your whole question on one long long line. |
| 04:40.07 | jescis | vimpulse, apparently not >.> |
| 04:40.07 | vimpulse | Guest8481: also, please use an untaken nick, and preferably register it. |
| 04:40.09 | cantido | how do you read a single line from a fifo with bash? |
| 04:40.21 | vimpulse | Guest8481: /query nickserv |
| 04:40.23 | vimpulse | Guest8481: help |
| 04:41.27 | morpheuss | how you can log conversations in irc when offline |
| 04:41.29 | vimpulse | jescis: did you see that sunru was just back four minutes ago, briefly, to complain about Debian |
| 04:41.30 | vimpulse | ? |
| 04:41.37 | vimpulse | morpheuss: you can't. |
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| 04:41.55 | morpheuss | oh |
| 04:41.59 | vimpulse | morpheuss: why did you want to? |
| 04:42.23 | morpheuss | just we can learn alot |
| 04:42.25 | jetscreamer | have a bot |
| 04:42.33 | morpheuss | na |
| 04:42.40 | jescis | vimpulse, I did see it. |
| 04:42.40 | jetscreamer | and there are channel logs.. see topic i think? |
| 04:43.05 | morpheuss | ya here you have but in other channels you dont |
| 04:43.05 | jetscreamer | yep, /topic |
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| 04:43.14 | jetscreamer | bot |
| 04:43.18 | jetscreamer | supybots are cool |
| 04:43.30 | jetscreamer | not sure how devved lately though |
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| 04:43.51 | jetscreamer | or just idle |
| 04:43.52 | vimpulse | jetscreamer: ah, I didn't know. |
| 04:43.56 | morpheuss | do u have one ? |
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| 04:44.08 | jetscreamer | me? yeah but he doesn't log |
| 04:44.19 | jetscreamer | i turned logigng off |
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| 04:44.28 | Catoptromancy | every link to torrents are 404? |
| 04:45.01 | jetscreamer | ftp |
| 04:45.17 | Catoptromancy | 404 |
| 04:45.24 | Catoptromancy | and the mirrors are really slow |
| 04:45.46 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.org seems to have fixed their slowness.. try there? |
| 04:45.54 | jetscreamer | or is this not the etch guy |
| 04:45.59 | morpheuss | vimpulse: dulge is fast super fast |
| 04:46.09 | vimpulse | morpheuss: what is dulge? |
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| 04:46.21 | morpheuss | sorry deluge |
| 04:46.21 | jetscreamer | deluge? |
| 04:46.33 | vimpulse | what is deluge? |
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| 04:46.50 | morpheuss | bittorrent client |
| 04:47.08 | vimpulse | i don't use bittorrent. why did you recommend deluge to me? :) |
| 04:47.39 | Catoptromancy | the page that lists torrents is 404 |
| 04:47.51 | Catoptromancy | kernel.org is working nice though |
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| 04:51.19 | anddam | hi |
| 04:51.42 | morpheuss | hi anddam |
| 04:51.46 | anddam | I have an issue with virtualbox and permissions for procbususb |
| 04:51.58 | anddam | virtualbox added a 10-virtualbox udev rule file |
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| 04:52.09 | anddam | its config was different than 91-permissions |
| 04:52.35 | anddam | not knowing which one had priority (lower or higher number) I changed 91-permissions too |
| 04:52.48 | anddam | namely I added SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", GROUP="vboxusers", \ |
| 04:53.04 | anddam | mode is 0664 |
| 04:53.14 | anddam | my user is in vboxusers group |
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| 04:53.51 | jetscreamer | morpheuss: supybot.org #supybot |
| 04:54.00 | anddam | nontheless when I start VirtualBox as user usb devices are shown greyed in the popup menu down the window |
| 04:54.06 | anddam | nonetheless* |
| 04:54.11 | anddam | what should I check? |
| 04:54.14 | elohim | hi |
| 04:54.21 | morpheuss | thanks jetscreamer |
| 04:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 04:54.52 | elohim | is the following the properway to stop the display manager? ctrl-alt-F2 ; /etc/init.d/kdm stop ? |
| 04:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just did chmod a+rw * ... and got lots and lots of messages like chmod: lit: new permissions are ----w--w-, not --------- |
| 04:55.28 | jetscreamer | that works |
| 04:55.45 | jetscreamer | which F doesn't matter |
| 04:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and indeed, all permissions were taken away |
| 04:55.51 | jetscreamer | cept 7 |
| 04:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | finally I figured there must have been some copy&paste catastrophe recently |
| 04:56.28 | anddam | elohim: it depends on what you mean |
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| 04:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there was a file named "-rwx------" in the directory |
| 04:56.39 | anddam | kdm isn't a "display" manager |
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| 04:56.58 | jetscreamer | what does the dm in kdm stand for you say |
| 04:57.04 | jetscreamer | or gdm or xdm or... |
| 04:57.09 | anddam | desktop, iirc |
| 04:57.19 | jetscreamer | don't believe so |
| 04:57.20 | elohim | anddam then someone needs to fix dpkg becuase that what it says when you say DM |
| 04:57.23 | elohim | !DM |
| 04:57.23 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 04:57.23 | jetscreamer | !dm |
| 04:57.23 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 04:57.27 | anddam | my bad then |
| 04:57.29 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 04:57.52 | anddam | anyway killing kdm wouldn't stop other displays, so the question still isn't that clear |
| 04:57.53 | jetscreamer | ah the caps foil the no repeat |
| 04:58.14 | jetscreamer | just go with yes.. lwhat you're doing nvidia? |
| 04:58.32 | elohim | jetscreamer: you talk'n to me ? |
| 04:58.47 | anddam | or saying "to stop" he could meant "to prevent it from starting at boot time" |
| 04:58.49 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:59.00 | elohim | not nvidia, fglrx one-liner rathre |
| 04:59.08 | jetscreamer | yes do what you asked |
| 04:59.14 | elohim | ok thanx pal |
| 04:59.14 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 04:59.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 04:59.54 | anddam | btw any hint about usb virtualbox issue? |
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| 05:01.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | get real! |
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| 05:05.30 | elohim | likes Debian |
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| 05:07.30 | cpc26 | 2 questions |
| 05:07.37 | elohim | shoot |
| 05:08.29 | cpc26 | 1) does amd64 work with virtualbox and 2) I am having troble finding a netinst iso - thanks |
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| 05:09.52 | bzrk | cpc26: yes and http://debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 05:10.01 | sn00py | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/debian-502-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:10.33 | cpc26 | yeah I am getting 404s |
| 05:11.07 | cpc26 | 130.239.18.137 |
| 05:12.18 | bzrk | cpc26: its in my local ftp.debian.org |
| 05:12.26 | bzrk | but yeah i get 404 too from the page |
| 05:13.11 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.org |
| 05:13.41 | jetscreamer | seems to be a common problem atm.. |
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| 05:16.12 | jetscreamer | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current |
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| 05:17.39 | jetscreamer | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 05:21.05 | cpc26 | alright finally got it to work thanks |
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| 05:22.14 | jetscreamer | they fix stuff like that quickly |
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| 05:22.36 | jetscreamer | are you saying my link worked, or the others work now |
| 05:22.37 | cpc26 | yeah less than 5 minutes |
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| 05:22.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:22.49 | cpc26 | I am using your link |
| 05:22.52 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it's a primary in the round robin, anyway |
| 05:23.18 | jetscreamer | used to be at least |
| 05:23.44 | cpc26 | right the caesar host "I think" may be bad |
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| 05:24.25 | cpc26 | the other links are still not working |
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| 05:24.45 | jetscreamer | kernel.org used to be slow as hell, and was always the first one the rr sent me to :) |
| 05:25.01 | jetscreamer | now it blazes |
| 05:25.18 | cpc26 | yeah I am in the US and it is sending me to caesar.acc.umu.se |
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| 05:29.37 | morpheus | jetscreamer: i have one concern |
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| 05:30.04 | morpheus | regarding ip address masking |
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| 05:30.39 | jetscreamer | i know nothing, sorry |
| 05:31.04 | jetscreamer | !ipmasq |
| 05:31.04 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 05:31.19 | jetscreamer | see? :) |
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| 05:34.10 | jetscreamer | well see y'all in a month or 2 :/ |
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| 05:41.12 | matthewpucc | hey guys i'm having some serious issues |
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| 05:41.33 | matthewpucc | i just installed debian and when i boot it cant find /sbin/init |
| 05:42.08 | matthewpucc | and it will only let me use lilo |
| 05:42.18 | matthewpucc | idk if thats normal or not though |
| 05:43.30 | Element14 | matthewpucc: how did you install debian? |
| 05:43.43 | matthewpucc | from the 5.01 dvd |
| 05:44.01 | matthewpucc | and i reinstalled from the rescue menu same result |
| 05:44.11 | Element14 | and generally grub is better as a bootloader |
| 05:44.22 | Element14 | try reinstalling from scratch? |
| 05:44.25 | matthewpucc | i know but i dont have an option to install it |
| 05:44.31 | Element14 | i've never used the full install cds/dvds |
| 05:44.40 | matthewpucc | well i can't use the net install |
| 05:44.51 | Element14 | fair enough |
| 05:44.55 | matthewpucc | my network card drivers arent supported |
| 05:45.00 | matthewpucc | need to build them |
| 05:45.29 | Element14 | did it say something about not being able to find the root filesystem? |
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| 05:46.13 | matthewpucc | im not sure but the rescue mode couldnt find it |
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| 05:47.03 | matthewpucc | i used a manual partition scheme. dont know it that matters or not |
| 05:47.09 | Element14 | shouldn't matter.... |
| 05:47.44 | Element14 | do you see the kernel recognizing your harddisks when booting? (eg. [ 3.340173] hda: Maxtor 6L160P0, ATA DISK drive ) |
| 05:47.56 | Element14 | should be sda for SATA drives (i'm on a rather old machine) |
| 05:48.00 | meglo | I installed lenny using the netinstaller. Grub was installed to the MBR, and I have a single large / partition as the bootable partition. My BIOS can't boot it for some reason... maybe I need a smaller /boot partition before the /? |
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| 05:48.43 | matthewpucc | https://matthewpucc-db.s3.amazonaws.com/Picture%208.png |
| 05:49.02 | matthewpucc | thats what i get when i boot |
| 05:54.02 | Element14 | well, (obviously) your initrd scripts can't mount the root partition for some reason :-/ |
| 05:54.36 | Element14 | i wonder what ls -l /dev/root gives... |
| 05:54.53 | Element14 | in your busybox shell |
| 05:55.09 | matthewpucc | one sec |
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| 05:57.10 | matthewpucc | https://matthewpucc-db.s3.amazonaws.com/Picture%209.png |
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| 05:59.03 | meglo | My BIOS wont even boot to GRUB. It can boot to CD ROM drives with bootable disks, like Lenny netinst. I installed GRUB to the MBR of the master disk on the primary IDE channel on my motherboard. But my BIOS can't even boot to GRUB and just hangs. Can someone point me towards a good resource for this P3 era machine? The BIOS is mid-1999 from america megatrends. |
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| 05:59.33 | Element14 | matthewpucc: i *think* it's supposed to be a symlink to somewhere instead of a 0-0 block device .... |
| 05:59.36 | cantido | meglo: you might find lilo will work |
| 05:59.55 | matthewpucc | lol |
| 05:59.56 | meglo | cantido: I can boot the debian CD again and it offers to reinstall grub, but I'm not sure if it will do lilo? |
| 06:00.12 | matthewpucc | ill whipe the disk and try again |
| 06:00.14 | meglo | cantido: I mean I can boot install the debian netinst cd for rescue mode. |
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| 06:00.35 | Element14 | matthewpucc: that's what i'd recommend... although it not letting you use grub seems somewhat fishy to me |
| 06:00.41 | matthewpucc | indeed |
| 06:00.54 | Element14 | new machine? |
| 06:00.57 | cantido | meglo: if you chroot into the install system you can install lilo from there |
| 06:01.08 | meglo | cantido: The rescue mode has a menu option to reinstall GRUB to the MBR of the hard disk. Maybe I should chroot to the /target and install lilo, or can I do that from a shell in rescue mode? Rescue mode shell only has busybox or so... not sure what other utilities or if it has lilo |
| 06:01.19 | cantido | meglo: the loader on the cd works, so maybe lilo will too.. that's my feeling |
| 06:01.20 | meglo | cantido: I think I should try that. |
| 06:01.42 | cantido | meglo: chroot into the installed system I meant :) |
| 06:01.43 | meglo | cantido, the grub loader on the cd works, and on this knoppix livecd it can boot grub also.... |
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| 06:02.06 | cantido | meglo: is the cd grub? I think its one of the syslinux loaders.. |
| 06:02.09 | meglo | cantido, ok. it tells me how to chroot to /target or such. does it have manpages? i can mount /usr i think |
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| 06:02.36 | matthewpucc | thanks Element14 |
| 06:02.36 | meglo | cantido: I don't know of initrd/syslinux or anything like that. I just see GRUB Stage 1.5 and then it starts booting the kernel for both the netinstall and knoppix |
| 06:03.24 | cantido | meglo: really.. its changed then :/ how far does grub from harddisk get? |
| 06:04.12 | meglo | cantido: my BIOS just hangs and doesn't even load grub. I hear of troubles like this from some time ago where you needed a small /boot within <100mb or something so the BIOS could address the bootable partition |
| 06:05.03 | meglo | But I really have no idea. I think I'll try lilo, but my BIOS just hangs on trying the hard disks/IDE channels. But it does boot a bootable CD if I tell it to boot 'CDROM' |
| 06:05.07 | Element14 | matthewpucc: np. if you're trying to install on a new machine (although in that case i have no idea how u can get such a nice screenshot :) is that sometimes the kernel support for the new hardware is not perfect and "small" things might fail like this |
| 06:05.16 | cantido | meglo: it doesnt complain about invalid system disk or something though? |
| 06:05.20 | meglo | I'm not sure lilo will make a difference, cantido. Maybe I should repatiton. |
| 06:05.38 | matthewpucc | yeah its a brand spanking new system |
| 06:05.41 | meglo | cantido: my BIOS says it is searching for a boot record and tells me to wait. But I don't think it is doing anything and is just hanigng. |
| 06:06.05 | cantido | meglo: lilo is a bit crappy, but it works from weird things.. like I forgot to create a /boot here and stuck everything in lvm. Lilo will boot it, grub wont |
| 06:06.19 | meglo | This happens on IDE0, IDE1, IDE2, IDE3, which are the options it has I think match to Primary Master, Primary Slave, Seconary Master, Secondary Slave. |
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| 06:07.01 | cantido | s/works from weird things/works for weird things/ |
| 06:07.03 | meglo | cantido: Interesting. I think it will be easier right now to go the lilo route. If that doesn't work then I'll maybe repartition with lilo + a small /boot |
| 06:07.24 | meglo | 64MB should be enough, mm? |
| 06:07.30 | meglo | I install large kernels with everything |
| 06:07.40 | cantido | meglo: grub is best if you can get it to work :) |
| 06:07.46 | meglo | I also will use a i486 kernel, cantido, I'm not sure if a P3 450 is 686 compatible? |
| 06:07.54 | cantido | p3 is 686 |
| 06:07.59 | meglo | Oh good. |
| 06:08.16 | meglo | I have this 700mhz VIA without this weird opcode so it was i586, and caused really bad trouble :< |
| 06:08.24 | cantido | p3 450 .. is a katami or something like that, I can remember having one of those |
| 06:08.32 | meglo | I guess VIA just sucks because this 3/4 of the speed P3 is 686 |
| 06:09.06 | meglo | cantido: Is there a guide to removing GRUB and installing lilo, so they don't conflict on a debian install? |
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| 06:09.23 | meglo | after I chroot, not sure how to uninstall grub unless there is some dpkg-config thing... |
| 06:09.27 | cantido | meglo: you can have them both installed. only one can be in the mbr at a time |
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| 06:09.43 | meglo | cantido: Oh, so just have lilo clobber GRUB eh? |
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| 06:09.57 | meglo | Don't have to worry about touching grub, right? |
| 06:10.14 | cantido | meglo: you can put grub's mbr back when/if you need it |
| 06:10.40 | meglo | Well if LILO doesn't work then I'll probably be fiddling with my BIOS a little bit more, then repartitoning. |
| 06:11.37 | cantido | weird that grub from cd works though, maybe it is a partition size bug |
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| 06:12.32 | meglo | cantido: yes, that is what I'm thinking. I'll probably end up having to repartition with a small /boot that my BIOS can understand. |
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| 06:13.01 | meglo | I hear if the bootable partition on the msdos disklabel is greater than some size on certain BIOSs, it can't be booted to |
| 06:13.29 | cantido | time for a new machine? ;) |
| 06:14.51 | meglo | cantido, if this works it wont be a problem. I have a new machine but I wanted to see if I can survive grabbing free and cheap machines from around town |
| 06:15.04 | meglo | Looks like i can if I can work around this. |
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| 06:15.33 | meglo | It cost me 20$ for a whole setup, saved a lot of money, cantido :D |
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| 06:16.09 | cantido | my first x86 box cost the same |
| 06:16.16 | meglo | Now I just need 15$ SDSL or something. Cheapest around here is 25$. Can get 10$ dialup... but that doesn't work so well. |
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| 06:17.25 | meglo | Oh! This thing came with a couple PCI wifi cards that do 802.11g... If I could cut a deal with someone who has wifi around here and pay for cheap internet thatwould be awesome. |
| 06:17.33 | meglo | two wifi NICs... nice. |
| 06:18.15 | spvensko | hello all, i am running debian 5.0 with openbox on an Acer Aspire One, I am attempting to change the DPI as the fonts are too large, I realize there is a way to do this via xorg.conf but I would rather just add the "-dpi 75" option to xorg when it executes however i cannot find which script is executing xorg, can someone point me in the correct direction? thanks |
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| 06:20.27 | enouf | it's /etc/X11/xinit/* or something |
| 06:20.58 | enouf | /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
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| 06:23.03 | spvensko | ty enouf!!! |
| 06:23.05 | enouf | i mean; /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc. |
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| 06:26.54 | SamuelCernunnos | é , tive q voltar pro ecth |
| 06:26.57 | SamuelCernunnos | etch |
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| 06:27.39 | enouf | como esta ustedes? aloha? |
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| 06:30.07 | enouf | !br |
| 06:30.07 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 06:40.36 | Black_Phantom | why all the images on debian website is not working :S ? |
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| 06:41.24 | Black_Phantom | .iso images |
| 06:42.10 | morpheus | try  ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 06:42.29 | jeffrey_ | After upgrade, the grub menu.lst is replaced. I've modified this file with vga=???, but I can't remember the vga value I set. How can I check the current vga value I'm using? |
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| 06:42.47 | craigevil | Black_Phantom: aliens took out the debian servers :) see http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2009/06/msg00052.html for details |
| 06:44.03 | Black_Phantom | craigevil, lol :p ok thanks man |
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| 06:45.19 | MadMoney | (this message redacted) |
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| 06:54.26 | jony123 | how do i change the password for the user jony123 ? |
| 06:54.43 | flaccid | anyone familiar with start-stop-daemon? i am doing start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --user $USER --chuid $USER --chuid psybnc:psybnc --chdir /usr/local/psybnc --exec $DAEMON and it simply not recording the pid in the --pidfile :( |
| 06:55.12 | MadMoney | Yes, the backend storage for the cluster hosting cdimage.debian.org had lost all its disk enclosures. Replugging some FC fixed it. I'm currently cleaning up the mess from it being down for a while. - DIY web hosting is just a BAD idea. :) |
| 06:55.42 | cantido | MadMoney: DIY webhosts have fibrechannel? |
| 06:55.50 | MadMoney | Yeah. |
| 06:56.03 | MadMoney | If they like bandwidth. |
| 06:56.55 | cantido | mmmm I know a lot of big hosts that don't use fc disks.. |
| 06:57.25 | MadMoney | I'm hosting from an iBook. :) |
| 06:57.32 | MadMoney | Tell my the people that are paying. :D |
| 06:57.47 | MadMoney | Don't tell |
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| 06:58.23 | OpenTokix | cantido: I don't =) |
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| 06:58.47 | MadMoney | I host from a CD-ROM drive. |
| 06:58.48 | OpenTokix | cantido: but then again, I only have 450 million hits/day =) |
| 06:58.48 | sylarr | hi |
| 06:59.01 | sylarr | what can I do if the permissions on one file got screwed? |
| 06:59.01 | MadMoney | OpenTokix: LIES. |
| 06:59.22 | OpenTokix | MadMoney: maybe alittle lower during the summer |
| 06:59.28 | MadMoney | sylarr: The only thing I know about permissions is what I do when they don't work: chmod -R 777 |
| 06:59.29 | sylarr | ls -l shows |
| 06:59.29 | sylarr | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? flashblock-1.5.7.1-fx.xpi |
| 06:59.53 | cantido | OpenTokix: mmm when theres some flashvideo going out we can be doing 200mbit/sec |
| 07:00.13 | cantido | OpenTokix: only because that's what that data centre caps at |
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| 07:00.33 | MadMoney | At least you're using a data center. |
| 07:00.43 | OpenTokix | cantido: oki |
| 07:00.43 | sylarr | chmod 777 flashblock-1.5.7.1-fx.xpi |
| 07:00.43 | sylarr | chmod: cannot access `flashblock-1.5.7.1-fx.xpi': Permission denied |
| 07:00.46 | MadMoney | Better than idiots that try to run it from elsewhere. |
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| 07:00.55 | cantido | OpenTokix: not needed FC yet :) |
| 07:00.59 | OpenTokix | cantido: We run on gigabit pipes, but with a 200Mbit commit |
| 07:01.10 | OpenTokix | cantido: from four hosting locations |
| 07:02.01 | cantido | OpenTokix: oh, this dc has 50gb or something upstream, and the machines are all gigabit, but if you start pushing that amount of data you pay for it :/ |
| 07:02.16 | OpenTokix | cantido: can't say our bandwidth bills are cheap =) |
| 07:03.04 | cantido | MadMoney: there's a host in the uk, fasthosts, that apparently have all their datacentre stuff strung together with dlink switchs here and there |
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| 07:03.36 | ultraj6 | like crapy 5 port dlink switches? |
| 07:03.43 | cantido | indeed |
| 07:03.49 | ultraj6 | *crappy |
| 07:04.19 | ultraj6 | nap time |
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| 07:22.27 | JJOliver | hey i have a problem with the install of lenny on a HP laptop saying firmware files missnig ipw2200-bss.fw, any suggestions where I'll be able to find it to put it on a flash drive and then install from there? |
| 07:23.25 | JJOliver | tis okay, found it. |
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| 07:37.21 | cipherz | hmm not sure if this is a bug or not, but when one installs pdnsd it also installs resolvconf as it is recommended, but when you wish to do a recursive (caching) pdnsd server you dont necessarily want resolvconf and you end up having a resolvconf that breaks on start... solution is to remove it... but is this the intention ? |
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| 07:37.58 | simonrvn | don't install recommends then ;) |
| 07:38.13 | cipherz | simonrvn, how ? :) when I use aptitude install pdnsd I get no option :\ |
| 07:38.39 | simonrvn | use the ui to edit its prefs/settings |
| 07:38.48 | cipherz | ui ? |
| 07:40.04 | Element14 | aptitude --without-recommends ? |
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| 07:40.25 | simonrvn | that too |
| 07:40.34 | cipherz | nice thanks |
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| 07:42.33 | CyrusUK | Hi |
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| 08:06.57 | zu22 | i just ordered: Debian 5.0.1 Multi-Architecture DVD will this let me install debian? |
| 08:07.13 | zu22 | i was worried since there are 6 debian dvds but i could only afford the first one |
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| 08:07.30 | zu22 | i run AMD 64 bit achitecture |
| 08:07.36 | cantido | zu22: you dont need all the discs |
| 08:07.39 | JJOliver | 4/leave |
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| 08:07.48 | zu22 | cantido: ok so i will be ok with this 1 DVD? |
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| 08:08.28 | cantido | zu22: multi-arch has i386 amd64 and ppc I think, if you got just the amd64 dvd you'd get more packages |
| 08:08.41 | cantido | zu22: but you will have enough to install |
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| 08:09.20 | zu22 | cantido: great, i have fast internet so downloading packages is no worry for me |
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| 08:19.29 | asdfqwer | is there a *right* way to purge all my pkgs w/ dpkg? |
| 08:19.46 | asdfqwer | i want to start from scratch but keep all my user files intact =/ |
| 08:19.50 | asdfqwer | !dpkg |
| 08:19.50 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 08:20.15 | simonrvn | don't touch /home heh |
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| 08:20.41 | asdfqwer | really? so rm everything except home? |
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| 08:21.31 | asdfqwer | doesn't sound safe... |
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| 08:30.52 | simonrvn | asdfqwer: um, what you're asking isn't. |
| 08:31.10 | vasi | i can't seem to get audio working. i'm running sid i386 on my MacBook4,1, kernel 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
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| 08:31.26 | vasi | i checked in alsamixer, it does show settings, and i've made sure things aren't muted |
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| 08:32.18 | vasi | aplay somefile.wav acts like it's playing....but i hear nothing |
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| 08:36.35 | vasi | hmm, this is interesting: hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS. |
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| 08:37.35 | gothenburg | The Piraye Bay is sold |
| 08:37.49 | Guerin | indeed |
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| 08:39.13 | flaccid | cool |
| 08:39.15 | flaccid | how much ? |
| 08:39.18 | JJOliver | How do I get a wireless connection on my fresh lenny install? |
| 08:39.37 | vasi | JJOliver, depends what sort of wireless card you have? |
| 08:39.51 | Guerin | flaccid: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/global-gaming-factory-x-acquisitions-of-the-pirate-bay-and-new-file-sharing-technology-p2p-20 |
| 08:39.57 | flaccid | ta |
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| 08:40.06 | JJOliver | Well using iwconfig it says that I am connected. |
| 08:40.10 | gothenburg | http://www.globalgamingfactory.com/ |
| 08:40.29 | meder | is there an easy way to run a python app as a daemon service |
| 08:40.30 | flaccid | sweet done |
| 08:40.34 | gothenburg | 60 000 000 SEK |
| 08:40.47 | JJOliver | but I can' |
| 08:40.49 | Guerin | I think that's about enough for two cups of coffee |
| 08:40.52 | meder | ? |
| 08:40.53 | JJOliver | can't ping anything. |
| 08:41.04 | flaccid | meder copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to your own service and run whatever python command you do to run the python app |
| 08:41.12 | meder | hm |
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| 08:41.44 | vasi | JJOliver, did you get an IP? (DHCP or manually) |
| 08:42.07 | JJOliver | manual |
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| 08:42.36 | meder | what do i chmod my init.d file to |
| 08:42.54 | meder | 750? |
| 08:42.57 | JJOliver | ifconfig says i don't have an ip |
| 08:42.57 | shivraj | meder chmod 766 |
| 08:43.06 | vasi | JJOliver, then you don't have an IP :-) |
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| 08:43.23 | vasi | if you've a dhcp server around, run dhclient |
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| 08:43.46 | flaccid | meder if you are trying to run it, it needs +x |
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| 08:44.29 | JJOliver | vasi: I was double checking I've manually put one in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:44.34 | meder | ok guys. i was able to run my init.d thing, but heres the problem.. my python script basically uhm.. does this thing where it holds the prompt and you can only Control-C out of it.. i heard the way to fix this was to redirect to /var/log or something, but i dont know how to do it |
| 08:44.44 | kiliko | Is there any guide for to auto-install debian with usb? (load the kernel from the usb-stick and config 'seed' or what its called for debain) |
| 08:44.54 | vasi | JJOliver, is it possible you have NetworkManager installed? it has a tendency to mess around with manual settings |
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| 08:44.58 | meder | in other words, as of now, if i close this ssh-session my daemon service will stop |
| 08:45.04 | meder | because its holding up the prompt |
| 08:45.08 | McL0VIN | howdy. i have mysql 5.0.32-Debian_7etch8-log, but i am running Lenny..how do i remove mysql to completely install and a new one? |
| 08:45.11 | meder | i need to redirect the output to somewhere |
| 08:45.23 | flaccid | meder that is covered with start-top-daemon and --background or alternatively shell redirection |
| 08:45.25 | bzed | kiliko: the normal install documentation handles that |
| 08:45.34 | meder | flaccid: uh |
| 08:45.47 | meder | which is easiest? sorry i'm confused |
| 08:45.53 | flaccid | meder please see man start-stop-daemon |
| 08:46.08 | JJOliver | vasi: default netinstall of gnome has put a gui tool called network manager editor in /system/preferences/ |
| 08:46.27 | bzed | kiliko: if you want to put the preseeding config on the stick, you'll have to edit the text.cfg file which is somewhere lying around, so you don't need to enter the boot options manually |
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| 08:46.47 | shivraj | McL0VIN: use aptitude ? |
| 08:46.55 | vasi | JJOliver, hmm! i don't see that anywhere here :-/ |
| 08:47.05 | flaccid | hey whats the TUI ncurses program to modify system services for start or not ? |
| 08:47.14 | JJOliver | vasi: when I load it up it doesn't work anyway. |
| 08:47.39 | JJOliver | What sort of data do I want in my eth1 (wireless) section in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:47.43 | bzed | kiliko: I'm using localechooser/shortlist=DE localechooser/languagelist=de console-keymaps-at/keymap=de-latin1-nodeadkeys debian-installer/locale=de_DE.UTF-8 preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg vga=normal initrd=initrd.gz -- quiet |
| 08:48.01 | bzed | kiliko: as the append option in txt.cfg |
| 08:48.52 | meder | flaccid: ok. i tried adding --background to my start-stop-daemon line but apparently that wasnt it. could it be i'm attaching it to the wrong start-stop-daemon line, or is it that maybe --background wont always work and i need shell redirection for this specific case? |
| 08:48.58 | vasi | JJOliver, something like: |
| 08:49.11 | vasi | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 08:49.16 | vasi | wireless-essid Whatever |
| 08:49.20 | flaccid | meder give it a try |
| 08:49.28 | vasi | and then a bunch of other things if you have auth |
| 08:49.51 | JJOliver | nope, unsecured (for now) |
| 08:49.52 | flaccid | meder much on shell redirection on google as well |
| 08:50.14 | meder | wow |
| 08:50.20 | meder | --background worked on a different line |
| 08:50.23 | meder | thank you, flaccid |
| 08:50.28 | meder | this was much easier than i imagined |
| 08:50.55 | flaccid | maybe you should not edit so fast :) |
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| 08:51.10 | flaccid | the script does do more than 1 function... |
| 08:51.17 | flaccid | and start as 2 possibilities.. |
| 08:51.27 | flaccid | as=has |
| 08:51.29 | JJOliver | vasi: still not getting a ping . . . |
| 08:52.02 | kiliko | bzed: ty, i will look into this, there is no example config file, i just want to have an config to install just a base with openssh-server and allways let me configure how i want to have my partions |
| 08:52.03 | vasi | but you do have an IP now? |
| 08:52.34 | JJOliver | iwconfig is still not showing an IP address |
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| 08:53.10 | cemunal | i have been installed nvidia 71xx drivers with nvidia method. it runned. but now when 3d want to enable X shuts down and i see gdm screen after the latest updates. what must i do? ( Lenny ) |
| 08:53.21 | JJOliver | vasi: ifconfig shows an inet6 address but not an ip address |
| 08:53.53 | funyun | i just bought a dedicated server and am having trouble with tab completion working. when i hit tab, i get this "cd /hom-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/hom' ): No such file or directory". does anyone know what's going on? |
| 08:53.56 | flaccid | cemunal check logs and goto #xorg and ##nvidia |
| 08:54.20 | vasi | weird...i dunno what's going on :-( |
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| 08:55.25 | gothenburg | nej |
| 08:55.51 | bzed | kiliko: there are example configs. |
| 08:55.56 | flaccid | ci0 |
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| 08:56.43 | bzed | kiliko: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apb.html.en |
| 08:56.56 | bzed | kiliko: all you need to do is to _read_ |
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| 08:57.05 | samantha-c | i'm trying to do an apt-get update for etree.org's debian repository. i'm getting an error code 2 out of bzip2 trying to download the Packages file ... the Packages file is a gzip file ... who's at fault? i've had this work on debian systems before ... |
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| 08:58.13 | reel_ | Hi, Can the boot process be made to skip invalid entries (UUIDs) in /etc/fstab instead of stopping and asking for root password ? |
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| 09:00.38 | JJOliver | Anyway, the wireless issue aside. I'm trying to set up a domain server, I believe my domain server is all set up, but how do I tell the login manager to login via domain not locally? |
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| 09:01.28 | cantido | JJOliver: what sort of domain?? |
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| 09:01.55 | JJOliver | cantido: I'm trying to set up a sso server, so desktop home dir's etc are all stored on the domain server |
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| 09:02.23 | cantido | JJOliver: kerberos? |
| 09:02.33 | funyun | i just bought a dedicated server and am having trouble with tab completion working. when i hit tab, i get this "cd /hom-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/hom' ): No such file or directory". does anyone know what's going on? |
| 09:02.40 | JJOliver | cantido: samba |
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| 09:05.59 | sidh | greetings gentlemen |
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| 09:06.18 | brutus | hi, what's the command to find out the number of threads used by a certain process? |
| 09:07.16 | djselbeck | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.25 | djselbeck | should work |
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| 09:08.41 | lvh | Or, even more efficiently, ps -C xterm | wc -l :-) |
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| 09:09.37 | Patrick13 | What happened to emacs-nox ? Lenny doesn't seem to have this package (at least not in main) |
| 09:09.47 | djselbeck | lvh: than you need to do -1 beacuse of the header ;) |
| 09:09.55 | brutus | lvh: thanks! |
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| 09:11.09 | lvh | djselbeck: oh, right. |
| 09:11.26 | redspike | hi anyone here have seen "Partition table entries are not in disk order" when running fdisk and then p ? |
| 09:11.27 | sidh | i installed XFCE4 on my lenny system, then i have qwerty keyboard layout , so i ran dpkg-reconfigure locales , choose en_UTF8, fr_UTF8 (as default), cat /etc/default/locale tells me LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, so i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and chose fr and pc105 layout, and followed the steps, but at the end it tells : xserver-xorg postinst warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--fr_FR', do you know |
| 09:11.52 | lvh | ps h -C then :p |
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| 09:16.13 | sidh | furthermore i have a xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/, but it is empty, (maybe because hal backend ?) |
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| 09:20.19 | funyun | i just bought a dedicated server and am having trouble with tab completion working. when i hit tab, i get this "cd /hom-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/hom' ): No such file or directory". does anyone know what's going on? |
| 09:20.21 | liable_ | sidh: reconfiguring xorg doesnt really do anything anymore. (via dpkg) which is a right pain in the arse if you have issues. xorg is supposed to be automagic now, but when it doesnt work, it leaves you with broken x and no easy way to configure it than manually crafting an xorg.conf |
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| 09:21.56 | sidh | ok then is there a way to generate a default xorg.conf from the default automagic one ? |
| 09:22.12 | lvh | sidh: You want t o create a default from a default? How does that work |
| 09:22.25 | liable_ | funyun: my virtual server does that, i have no idea why a dedicated proper server would |
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| 09:22.44 | liable_ | !drrx |
| 09:22.56 | liable_ | !drxx |
| 09:22.56 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 09:23.15 | sidh | sorry i meant as the automagic one only mess with locale, it would be great to redirect its configuration in a file |
| 09:23.19 | liable_ | sidh: ^^ plus man xorg.conf |
| 09:23.24 | funyun | liable_: any idea how to fix it? |
| 09:23.41 | sidh | ok liable, thanks |
| 09:23.53 | liable_ | funyun: is yours actually a real whole dedicate server? not a VPS? |
| 09:24.16 | funyun | liable_: yes, dedicated |
| 09:24.40 | liable_ | funyun: does tab completeion work for other accounts? |
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| 09:25.08 | funyun | liable_: yes, for root |
| 09:25.20 | JJOliver | If i aptitude purged some stuff, would it be possible to have an UNDO on it somehow? |
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| 09:26.27 | liable_ | funyun: whether it does or not, its going to be a dotfile or /etc/bash (or similar issue) so take a look in that direction. If its a proper debian install on a normal server, it seems a bit odd to have that problem. did you create the user with adduser, or was it during install? |
| 09:26.58 | funyun | liable_: with adduser |
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| 09:27.22 | liable_ | funyun: did you give it unusual switches? |
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| 09:27.36 | funyun | liable_: nope |
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| 09:28.31 | liable_ | funyun: hmm, i am admittedly a bit dumb with login bash optins and dotfiles, but it would be something to do with the users .bashrc or similar |
| 09:28.58 | Mark21 | hello, where can I find the kernel for Xen 3.1 32 bit PAE? |
| 09:29.36 | funyun | liable_: okay. thanks for help :) |
| 09:29.49 | liable_ | JJOliver: what did you purge, and what are you hoping to recover? |
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| 09:30.39 | JJOliver | liable_: purged network-manager-gnome and network-manager |
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| 09:31.05 | JJOliver | Which is very bad for me because I did that on my local mirror . . . and now I can't use that mirror. |
| 09:31.12 | Mark21 | kernel number (if possible): 2.6.24-23 |
| 09:31.54 | sylarr | I have some other xchat running , but I don't see its window |
| 09:31.57 | liable_ | JJOliver: the stuff that NM stores would be in your ~. dir i would have thought, so purging should'nt have affected it |
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| 09:32.12 | JJOliver | I'm trying to set up an active directory and the tutorial that was helping me said that I needed to uninstall those then install some others. |
| 09:32.16 | sylarr | is there a way to bring a window to the front/make it visable? |
| 09:32.32 | JJOliver | But because the network manager ran the apache etc everything has been shut down. |
| 09:32.56 | liable_ | JJOliver: network manager has nothing to do with apache |
| 09:32.58 | JJOliver | So now I can't reinstall the missing stuff :( |
| 09:33.38 | JJOliver | when i purged it, it shut down apache and a whole host of other stuff, that _has_ stopped my mirror working |
| 09:34.30 | liable_ | that should not happen |
| 09:34.40 | liable_ | are you using debian? |
| 09:34.40 | nkuttler | sylarr: that depends on your window manager, try alt-tab |
| 09:34.47 | JJOliver | liable_: fine . . . it _has_ happened. |
| 09:34.55 | nkuttler | JJOliver: are you sure apache is down, not just the interface? |
| 09:35.00 | JJOliver | liable_: yes latest lenny, updated this morning |
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| 09:35.23 | JJOliver | nkuttler: interface being apache interface or NIC? |
| 09:35.36 | sylarr | nkuttler, it is gnome.. but I think maybe I have it running on another session :S |
| 09:35.37 | nkuttler | nic of course |
| 09:35.40 | superlinux | free ebooks to who ever wants: www.superlinux.net |
| 09:36.05 | JJOliver | can ping out and ping in from and to? |
| 09:36.11 | JJOliver | ! even |
| 09:36.12 | dpkg | odd |
| 09:36.44 | nkuttler | JJOliver: was that a question or a statement? |
| 09:36.47 | liable_ | JJOliver: so you are saying that when you purged NM, you saw dpkg stop the apache service? |
| 09:36.54 | jelly | !spank superlinux |
| 09:36.54 | dpkg | bends superlinux over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 09:37.55 | JJOliver | nkuttler: a statement |
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| 09:37.57 | JJOliver | liable_: yes |
| 09:38.07 | JJOliver | It stopped a whole load of things. |
| 09:38.11 | superlinux | jelly, what mate? |
| 09:38.12 | liable_ | JJOliver: can you paste that output to pastebin? |
| 09:38.13 | JJOliver | That weren't restarted when it finnished. |
| 09:38.21 | nkuttler | JJOliver: do... just reinstall those things and don't use nm again |
| 09:38.27 | nkuttler | JJOliver: restart even |
| 09:38.33 | JJOliver | I closed the terminal that it was in .. . |
| 09:38.45 | jelly | superlinux: that's for the spam |
| 09:38.46 | liable_ | sure.. |
| 09:38.48 | JJOliver | so i don't have the full list, is there a way of finding it again? |
| 09:39.09 | liable_ | JJOliver: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 09:40.22 | boodie | Hi: I got a problem ... a week ago, I tried to configure GSPCA to run one of these little evil cheap webcams. Nosuccess, but since then, the audio doesn't work, unless I ran as root alsaconf, then reset the KDE sound management. It's not a bad problem, but it's annoying ... can anybody give a hint? |
| 09:40.44 | liable_ | JJOliver: but lets get to the crux, why have you purged NM, and why cant you just fix it with ifconfig and get your apache running again? |
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| 09:41.31 | superlinux | jelly, i dont mean any spam |
| 09:42.09 | liable_ | boodie: obvious question is, did you remove whatever GSPCA is? |
| 09:42.14 | liable_ | completely |
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| 09:42.38 | jelly | superlinux: this channel is used for Debian tech support issue; anything else is offtopic |
| 09:42.43 | jelly | issues* |
| 09:43.09 | JJOliver | liable_: can't find anything useful in that log file. |
| 09:43.09 | Black_Phantom | Hello, does the powerpc version of Debian, runs on Playstation 3 without any problems ? |
| 09:43.19 | JJOliver | liable_: don't know how to restart the packages that were closed |
| 09:43.29 | JJOliver | and I don't know what packages were closed. |
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| 09:44.20 | nkuttler | JJOliver: rebooting should restart all services... |
| 09:44.22 | sylarr | can ps show the display that an app runs on? |
| 09:44.32 | liable_ | JJOliver: why did you remove network manager? |
| 09:44.53 | JJOliver | liable_: because the tutorial on how to create an active directory told me to. |
| 09:45.21 | JJOliver | okay lettme reboot. |
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| 09:45.35 | boodie | liable_: no; should I remove all the GSPCA's modules and various files linked (I used aptitude to install them)? |
| 09:45.39 | liable_ | why do you think that will help? |
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| 09:45.46 | nkuttler | JJOliver: might want to change with rcconf before |
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| 09:46.33 | liable_ | JJOliver: shouldnt you be asking the author of the article what went wrong then? |
| 09:47.03 | JJOliver | liable_: Uhuh sure . . . but my mirror died |
| 09:47.07 | JJOliver | and that's a bigger problem. |
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| 09:47.45 | liable_ | JJOliver: you blindly following some random article on the web (whilst running a mirror) is actually the problem. |
| 09:47.58 | JJOliver | liable_: sure. |
| 09:48.28 | JJOliver | liable_: and not backing up my mirror which is the most valuable thing I have is the other problem. |
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| 09:49.46 | liable_ | well, your mirror is likely still safe, but i suggest you actually try and understand wtf you are doing |
| 09:50.05 | JJOliver | liable_: that's what i'm doing, learning by trying, trying to learn . . . |
| 09:50.21 | JJOliver | brb restarting |
| 09:50.22 | JJOliver | exit |
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| 09:51.06 | iamjay | hello there |
| 09:51.09 | liable_ | yep, a reboot will help.. |
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| 09:54.38 | kasimon | Hi. Is it possible to change the Distribtion field in a packages changes file via a pbuilder/dpkg-buildpackage command line option? |
| 09:54.53 | kasimon | Or is the only way to change the changelog? |
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| 09:57.51 | samantha-c | i'm trying to do an apt-get update for etree.org's debian repository. i'm getting an error code 2 out of bzip2 trying to download the Packages file ... the Packages file is a gzip file ... who's at fault? i've had this work on debian systems before ... why is apt-get and aptitude now picking up a gz but trying to decompress it with bzip? |
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| 09:59.56 | JJOliver | The reset didn't help . . . |
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| 10:00.17 | markun | hi guys. Have there been some reported problems on powerpc updated to unstable? Maybe linux kernel 2.6.30 in general. |
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| 10:01.17 | markun | My ibook g4 acted very strange after the update. Froze a few times, didn't want to start apps and even a kernel panic one time. |
| 10:01.35 | jelly | samantha-c: you can try removing all the files matching /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* and do an apt-get update again |
| 10:01.54 | jelly | samantha-c: also the ones in the partial/ subdirectory |
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| 10:02.25 | liable_ | markun: theres #debian-ppc (might be on irc.debian.org now, and likely a quiet channe) |
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| 10:02.46 | markun | liable_: ok, thanks |
| 10:02.54 | yang | Hello ! I have this "safe-upgrade" error - http://pastebin.com/m492595b1 |
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| 10:04.30 | Linux_User | Imagine if Ian was gay. It would be Bobian, or Jackian etc. |
| 10:04.36 | iguanna_ | hi all, do you know any free software for manage a company about renting car? |
| 10:04.47 | Linux_User | were* |
| 10:05.28 | yang | iguanna_: the lease software? |
| 10:05.43 | fatalerrors | i think there was important change with aptitude and all the repositories |
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| 10:06.11 | fatalerrors | do you know something about that? |
| 10:06.23 | fatalerrors | i'm running sid |
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| 10:06.41 | samantha-c | is there a way to pick up -only- apt, apt-doc, apt-utils, and related dependencies, from sid, and leave the rest at squeeze? |
| 10:06.43 | eshat | Hi all, why can I not aktivate Desktop Effects, when a beamer is connected? |
| 10:06.50 | JyZyXEL | !reinstall |
| 10:06.50 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 10:09.08 | iguanna_ | yang: do you know any one? |
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| 10:10.41 | yang | iguanna_: I don't believe that debian has a software which would be specific for "car rentals", but there might be some database tools, which would help you ; try /msg dpkg apt-cache search <keyword> |
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| 10:12.58 | iguanna_ | yang, thanks |
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| 10:16.19 | sintack | anyone come across mouse double-click problems recently in testing? |
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| 10:20.16 | lantizia | Hey, you know the debian nvidia drivers in non-free... don't suppose the control panel is in there too? (can't see it) - or maybe a way of using the official nvidia control panel with the debianised nvidia driver? |
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| 10:22.12 | marcio | hello all. I cant download the netinst iso from debian's official site. 404 |
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| 10:22.55 | nkuttler | mfdavid: use 5.0.1, 501 instead of 5.0.2 and 502 |
| 10:23.27 | mfdavid | ok |
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| 10:24.12 | mfdavid | yeah that works.. |
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| 10:26.15 | nirupama | how to enable apxs and rrdtool support in php |
| 10:26.23 | nirupama | I have already installed php5 |
| 10:26.24 | zxd | was jabber-yahoo dropped from lenny? |
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| 10:30.59 | cantido | nirupama: look for php5-* |
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| 10:31.32 | nirupama | cantido, not there |
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| 10:31.58 | Linux_User | The requested URL /debian-cd/5.0.2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server. |
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| 10:32.07 | cantido | nirupama: maybe those modules are builtin then |
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| 10:32.38 | nirupama | cantido, I was just going through the google links it showed php4 had support for rrdtool but not php5 |
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| 10:32.57 | nirupama | there i s no package called php5-rrdtool whereas there used to be php4-rrdtool |
| 10:33.06 | mfdavid | Linux_User: change 5.0.2 to 5.0.1 and 502 to 501. Hope somebody fixes this quick... |
| 10:36.15 | Linux_User | but won't that be the old debian? |
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| 10:36.26 | Linux_User | not 5.0.2? |
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| 10:38.17 | cantido | Linux_User: There has been some trouble with the machine that holds the mirror today which has taken the latest version offline |
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| 10:38.46 | Linux_User | when will it be back? |
| 10:38.56 | Linux_User | are there any copies around on other mirrors? |
| 10:39.28 | cantido | Linux_User: you can upgrade the 10 or so packages that are different once you've installed anyway |
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| 10:40.35 | tty3 | Hello |
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| 10:40.45 | Linux_User | Will UNetbootin overwrite my USB? |
| 10:40.46 | tty3 | I want do question.. |
| 10:41.06 | cantido | tty3: just ask then |
| 10:41.13 | tty3 | The debian-kde.iso installer cd... What's kde version KDE 3.5 or kde 4.x? |
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| 10:41.33 | cantido | tty3: if it's lenny, it will be kde 3.5 |
| 10:41.45 | tty3 | mmm... |
| 10:41.49 | tty3 | in testing? :/ |
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| 10:41.58 | cantido | tty3: 4.2.4 I think |
| 10:42.08 | tty3 | Ok, thank you cantido |
| 10:42.21 | tty3 | Good-bye :P |
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| 10:49.15 | Linux_User | Will UNetbootin overwrite the files on my USB stick? |
| 10:49.34 | crazzzyguy | Enter text here...hi |
| 10:49.39 | crazzzyguy | ne 1 here |
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| 10:51.22 | g00se | Linux_User: afaik yes |
| 10:51.58 | Linux_User | is GNOME installed when I install debian? |
| 10:52.19 | hetOrakel | hi, mbmon looks broken when i issue mbmon it shows me all info, when i use -r i only get 1 temperature value the rest are zero or 127 |
| 10:52.28 | g00se | Linux_User: Depends on how you install it. Default desktop install, yes |
| 10:52.44 | petemc | Linux_User: if you opt to install a desktop, gnome is the default, tho you're free not to or to install something else |
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| 10:54.31 | hikenboot | how do i umount a logical volume? umount /dev/Home-Volume-Group/Home-Logical-Volume doesnt work? This is during the installer setup of a system that existed under ubuntu where I want to rebuild existing partition layouts |
| 10:54.45 | g00se | Is there any way of running alsaconf non-interactively without rewriting it? I have a dodgy sound card so i have to run it regularly |
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| 10:55.10 | mischief- | g00se: alsaconfig is depreciated |
| 10:55.11 | petemc | hikenboot: umount /mnt/point |
| 10:55.40 | g00se | mischief: you mean alsaconf? |
| 10:55.55 | mischief | er, yea |
| 10:56.15 | g00se | mischief: deprecated in favour of what? |
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| 10:56.52 | mischief | read the changelog g00se |
| 10:56.55 | petemc | !alsaconf |
| 10:56.55 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 10:57.31 | g00se | Right |
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| 10:59.51 | Linux_User | Only "stable" software is included in the Debian core distribution. In Debian project parlance, the term stable means that the software is no longer under active development or widespread use and that the authors are long dead; if software is still under active development, it undergoes changes too rapidly for the Debian project to incorporate them. Due to pressure from users, obsolete versions of certain software that is sti |
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| 11:00.29 | hikenboot | petemc it says device or resource is busy but "mount" doesnt list it |
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| 11:00.51 | boodie | Hi: after havin tried gspca to run a webcam (no success) my lenny doesn't detect any sound ... if I re-run alsaconf and the KDE's sound manager, it then works. This happens at every boot ...How could I solve this problem? Thanks |
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| 11:00.59 | g00se | petemc: Unfortunately dpkg doesn't help me on the issue i have |
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| 11:02.35 | petemc | hikenboot: generally, you find out which process is keeping it busy with lsof or fuser and kill that process |
| 11:02.58 | petemc | g00se: you wanted to know about alsaconf, dpkg told you about alsaconf, id say thats helping |
| 11:02.58 | g00se | boodie: looks like you might appreciate a non-interactive alsaconf too ;-) |
| 11:03.05 | hikenboot | thanks petemc |
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| 11:03.52 | boodie | OK everything was fine before I tampered with that gspca |
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| 11:12.55 | Nz17 | Anybody able to help with SSH disconnecting my network connection? |
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| 11:13.14 | Nz17 | See, I have a laptop computer that I am trying to transfer files from using Ethernet. |
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| 11:13.53 | petemc | Nz17: is it going through a firewall? |
| 11:14.15 | Nz17 | Both machines are behind a NAT router. |
| 11:14.17 | Nz17 | But whenever I try to transfer files from one machine to another via SSH or NFS, it will disconnect and I have to restart /etc/init.d/networking |
| 11:14.45 | petemc | check dmesg/messages/syslog |
| 11:15.02 | Nz17 | Just connecting via SSH and sending commands is fine, but when I transfer files the connection drops after about 2.8 MiB. |
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| 11:16.52 | Nz17 | The laptop machine has gone through Etch->Sarge->Lenny. |
| 11:17.08 | Nz17 | petemc: Now I know how to check dmesg, but what about the other two? |
| 11:17.37 | petemc | they're logfile in /var/log/ |
| 11:17.45 | Nz17 | I will check now. |
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| 11:22.26 | boodie | Hi - I have a problem with the sound - at every boot I have to restart alsaconf to have a soundcard detected. Already tried to rename /etc/modprobe.d/sound and re-run alsaconf - no success |
| 11:23.44 | Nz17_lap | OK, I'll put the tail end of my syslog into a pastebin. |
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| 11:25.58 | Nz17_lap | petemc: Look at http://paste.debian.net/40635/ |
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| 11:26.45 | Nz17 | boodie: You might want to purge all the alsa stuff from your system and reinstall. |
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| 11:27.44 | Nz17 | petemc: What do you think of the syslog file? |
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| 11:29.37 | sonoma4 | can I use LVM to have 2 physical hard drives act as 1? |
| 11:29.49 | sonoma4 | for example both would be used to make up my / |
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| 11:30.40 | asg | sonoma4: yes |
| 11:30.44 | sonoma4 | thanks |
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| 11:37.28 | LekisS | ohai... I'm in trouble trying to run a executable file on debian... :( need help |
| 11:37.42 | Nz17 | What's the problem? |
| 11:38.02 | LekisS | I've got a file, I made it executable (chmod +x file) |
| 11:38.08 | LekisS | but when I try to start it |
| 11:38.17 | LekisS | # file |
| 11:38.29 | LekisS | >> "bash: file: command not found" |
| 11:38.35 | LekisS | # ./file |
| 11:38.50 | LekisS | >> bash: ./file:No such file or directory |
| 11:39.06 | Nz17 | What if you use a GUI file manager to click it? |
| 11:39.43 | LekisS | it's on my server, I don't have a GUI File Manager :( |
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| 11:39.58 | Nz17 | So are you using SSH? |
| 11:39.58 | LekisS | and it's for a PHP app' |
| 11:39.58 | LekisS | yup |
| 11:40.52 | Nz17 | Can't you start SSH with the -X argument, and start a GUI app from your server that way? |
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| 11:41.18 | Nz17 | Can you run said PHP app on your local machine? |
| 11:41.36 | LekisS | I can try to start SSH with the -X argument |
| 11:41.43 | Nz17 | OK |
| 11:41.47 | LekisS | but as I said, I need it to be launched by a PHP app' |
| 11:41.55 | asg | LekisS: is the program you wrote actually called file? |
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| 11:42.17 | LekisS | asg: no the file is called "request" (and got another one called "response") |
| 11:42.34 | LekisS | asg: it's for payment PHP app', the file were given by the bank |
| 11:42.38 | Nz17 | Have you tried "php file"? |
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| 11:42.51 | asg | LekisS: what does 'stat /path/to/file' say? |
| 11:43.07 | LekisS | Nz17: what do you mean by "php file" ? |
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| 11:43.22 | Nz17 | "php request" for example. |
| 11:43.29 | LekisS | asg: hmmm wait I need to pastebin it |
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| 11:43.47 | LekisS | Nz17: PHP says the file doesn't exists |
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| 11:44.08 | Nz17 | What if you type "cat request"? |
| 11:44.24 | Nz17 | And are you in the same directory/folder as the file is? |
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| 11:46.29 | LekisS | sorry I was trying something |
| 11:46.39 | Nz17 | OK |
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| 11:47.13 | LekisS | asg: http://paste.debian.net/40636/ |
| 11:47.29 | LekisS | Nz17: cat request, makes some bugs |
| 11:47.50 | asg | LekisS: a php script needs to be readable as well as executable |
| 11:48.02 | Nz17 | What do you mean? |
| 11:48.14 | asg | Nz17: look at the perms 0111 |
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| 11:48.52 | Nz17 | Perhaps your chmod was just x, not +x. |
| 11:49.01 | LekisS | asg: the php script is readable/executable (chmod 777) |
| 11:49.02 | asg | LekisS: chmod 755 /path/to/file .. see if that solves the issue |
| 11:49.25 | asg | LekisS: not according to stat(1) -- Did you really put "Twitter" "profound" and "strategic threat" in the same sentence? Without a "lol" at the end? |
| 11:49.28 | asg | doh |
| 11:49.31 | asg | ePASTEFAIL |
| 11:49.37 | asg | Access: (0111/---x--x--x) Uid: ( 1003/***) Gid: ( 100/ users) |
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| 11:50.16 | LekisS | asg: what do you mean ? chmod 755 makes no change |
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| 11:50.25 | boodie | Nz17: you reckon ALSA is the problem? |
| 11:50.50 | asg | LekisS: 755 is the octal representation for -rwx,r-x,r-x |
| 11:50.53 | Nz17 | boodie: I had a similar problem with my laptop computer a few months ago. |
| 11:51.12 | LekisS | asg: I know, I mean I did chmod 755 the file, but it doesn't work either |
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| 11:51.27 | funyun | i just bought a dedicated server and am having trouble with tab completion working. when i hit tab, i get this "cd /hom-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/hom' ): No such file or directory". does anyone know what's going on? |
| 11:51.37 | asg | LekisS: and after, doing 'php /path/to/file' returns what error? |
| 11:51.48 | Nz17 | boodie: While I don't remember exactly what I did, I think I "apt-get --purge remove alsa*" to clear out the alsa cruft, made sure all the configuration files were gone, and then reinstalled the necessary stuff. |
| 11:52.06 | LekisS | asg: "file not found" |
| 11:52.18 | nkuttler | funyun: bash? |
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| 11:52.48 | LekisS | asg: but when I run the exec() line, it says "No such file or directory" |
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| 11:53.01 | asg | what exec() line? |
| 11:53.08 | LekisS | asg: in my php script |
| 11:53.26 | LekisS | asg: my file.php contains a exec('bash command') line |
| 11:53.35 | Nz17 | boodie: If that suggestion doesn't work, I'd also suggest moving your alsa scripts to be run later in the boot cycle, towards the end of things, just in case something else is holding it up because that things hasn't yet started. |
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| 11:53.40 | asg | LekisS: you may wish to consult with the #php folks then |
| 11:53.47 | funyun | nkuttler: when i use tab for auto completion |
| 11:53.54 | LekisS | asg: and when I try to run the 'bash command' (/home/.../request) it says 'no such file or directory' |
| 11:54.03 | nkuttler | funyun: echo $SHELL |
| 11:54.18 | LekisS | asg: it's not a php error, I've got the same error running it without php |
| 11:54.23 | boodie | Nz17: how can I reposition alsa in the boot cycle? |
| 11:54.33 | nkuttler | boodie: man update-rc.d ? |
| 11:54.35 | funyun | nkuttler: /bin/sh |
| 11:54.47 | asg | LekisS: same error running what without php? |
| 11:54.59 | mfdavid | i really wish debian dropped exim from default install.. |
| 11:55.01 | LekisS | asg: yes, that's why I think php isn't the problem... |
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| 11:55.12 | LekisS | asg: argh misreading |
| 11:55.27 | LekisS | asg: my php script is an 'exec()' |
| 11:55.29 | Nz17 | boodie: As the root user, go to /etc/rcS.d |
| 11:55.32 | LekisS | asg: exec() runs a bash command |
| 11:55.39 | nkuttler | funyun: set -x, tab again |
| 11:55.50 | asg | LekisS: yes, is the bash command failing? |
| 11:55.52 | Nz17 | boodie: Change the alsa stuff from S??alsastuff to S99alsastuff to start it at the end of the boot cycle. |
| 11:55.57 | LekisS | asg: yes... |
| 11:56.06 | asg | mfdavid: why not just remove it after install |
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| 11:56.20 | mfdavid | asg: why not install it at all :D |
| 11:56.22 | asg | LekisS: but the command works if you just run it from a shell? |
| 11:56.34 | funyun | nkuttler: http://pastebin.ca/1479418 |
| 11:56.37 | zeno | how do i list all installed packages (cli)? that are NOT dependencies? |
| 11:56.42 | asg | mfdavid: because you need an MTA |
| 11:56.44 | LekisS | asg: no it's not working... |
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| 11:56.53 | mfdavid | asg: do I? |
| 11:56.55 | asg | LekisS: then fix the bash command first |
| 11:57.02 | Nz17 | For example, I have a S50alsa-utils, that would be renamed to S99alsa-utils. |
| 11:57.02 | asg | mfdavid: yes if you have cron installed |
| 11:57.19 | LekisS | asg: that's strange, because I just try to run a file... A file that should be an executable |
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| 11:57.50 | nkuttler | funyun: try #bash |
| 11:58.03 | asg | LekisS: is it a compiled binary executable or a script (like python or perl or bash) |
| 11:58.09 | Nz17 | Well if it is not sensitive, LekisS, maybe you should pastebin the php file. |
| 11:58.24 | LekisS | Nz17: the problem isn't php :x |
| 11:58.42 | Nz17 | sighs. |
| 11:58.44 | LekisS | asg: it's compiled binary executable... |
| 11:58.54 | Nz17 | Pastebin the php "program" files. |
| 11:59.01 | Nz17 | The "request" and such. |
| 11:59.03 | asg | LekisS: okay, does it reside on a filesystem that was mounted 'noexec' |
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| 11:59.37 | funyun | nkuttler: still the same |
| 11:59.40 | LekisS | asg: mmhhh... I don't even know :/ |
| 11:59.56 | asg | LekisS: look at the output of 'mount' |
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| 12:00.40 | LekisS | asg: http://paste.debian.net/40637/ |
| 12:01.24 | asg | LekisS: that's not the problem then |
| 12:01.39 | funyun | nkuttler: i am able to use tab completion as root |
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| 12:02.07 | FreakGuard | eh? |
| 12:02.19 | asg | LekisS: if you run 'file /path/to/request', what does it output |
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| 12:02.37 | LekisS | asg: request: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped |
| 12:02.41 | Nz17 | funyun: I'd bet it is your bash settings files for your user account, try deleting or renaming ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc, or anything else related, and then logging out and back in. |
| 12:02.43 | FreakGuard | ntpd fails to ajust the time :/ |
| 12:02.58 | asg | FreakGuard: is it running as a xen guest? |
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| 12:03.15 | asg | LekisS: but if you type '/path/to/request', what does it output |
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| 12:03.23 | FreakGuard | asg: nah, plain metal |
| 12:03.34 | asg | FreakGuard: okay, just checking |
| 12:03.39 | LekisS | asg: bash: /home/.../bin/request: No such file or directory |
| 12:03.44 | FreakGuard | asg: 500mhz ;) |
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| 12:04.37 | asg | LekisS: pastebin 'strace /path/to/request' (you may have to install strace if you don't have it and also, pastebin the output) |
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| 12:05.48 | LekisS | asg: http://paste.debian.net/40638/ |
| 12:06.04 | funyun | Nz17: yes. i renamed them. now it's working |
| 12:06.25 | Nz17 | funyun: You're welcome. :) |
| 12:06.31 | boodie | How do I see what are the available modules? |
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| 12:07.07 | funyun | Nz17: Thank you. :) |
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| 12:07.13 | Nz17 | boodie, what do you mean? |
| 12:07.38 | boodie | I want to see if I have some alsa related modules unloaded |
| 12:07.47 | boodie | not-loaded |
| 12:08.08 | boodie | lsmod gives me the modules present in memory, right? |
| 12:08.27 | Nz17 | It should. |
| 12:09.06 | Nz17 | Try "lsmod|grep snd" |
| 12:09.10 | boodie | what is the command to see what other modules I have available? |
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| 12:09.48 | Nz17 | Sorry, boodie, but I'm really tired, I need to go get some sleep. |
| 12:09.52 | Nz17 | Good luck! |
| 12:10.02 | boodie | thanx |
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| 12:10.49 | nkuttler | boodie: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name *ko |
| 12:11.01 | asg | LekisS: The only thing I can think might be the problem is that the program itself is broken internally. Standard commands find it, it is there otherwise file and stat wouldn't have worked. It may internally be trying to open a file and failing causing that error. |
| 12:11.23 | asg | LekisS: also, it may be filesystem corruption so a good fsck of /home would fix or rule out that problem. |
| 12:11.46 | petemc | boodie: modprobe -l |
| 12:12.20 | LekisS | asg: okay ;) thanks I will try this |
| 12:12.41 | asg | LekisS: sorry I wasn't more helpful |
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| 12:12.53 | LekisS | asg: don't worry ;) |
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| 12:14.30 | boodie | So - the lsmod outputs are arabic to me; is the ultimate soultion to uninstall all alsa stuff and reinstall it? seems a bit drastic |
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| 12:23.13 | nkuttler | boodie: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:23.59 | boodie | I would like to have the sound present at every boot, without having to re-run alsaconf every time |
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| 12:25.08 | nkuttler | boodie: what does alsaconf do? |
| 12:25.34 | The_faiithful | boodie, "alsactl store" |
| 12:25.35 | boodie | Detects the soundcard |
| 12:26.05 | boodie | Aha: this seems nifty! |
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| 12:27.11 | boodie | Problem is, it seems that the soundcard is forgotten from a boot to another |
| 12:27.17 | mesa_booger | i have an /etc/init.d/alsa-utils which does that very thing at boot. maybe, just maybe, you need to have alsa-utils installed |
| 12:27.57 | boodie | mesa_booger: I have it, indeed |
| 12:27.57 | nkuttler | boodie: even after an alsactl store? |
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| 12:28.21 | boodie | I don't know, I might reboot, in fact, just to see |
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| 12:29.07 | mesa_booger | you could always run the init script twice instead. once with "stop" and once with "start". might save a bit of time ... |
| 12:29.14 | mesa_booger | too late |
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| 12:31.28 | Muyayo | hello people |
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| 12:34.54 | morpheus | im getting this error while distro build |
| 12:35.03 | morpheus | what to do? |
| 12:35.20 | morpheus | cantido? |
| 12:35.39 | adnc | hello, i've a server running debian etch and the c-cclient is buggy, is there an alternative packaged version somewhere someone know? |
| 12:36.38 | asg | adnc: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; update to lenny if it has a newer less buggy version |
| 12:37.05 | adnc | asg can i use packages from lenny? |
| 12:38.03 | asg | adnc: it is better not to mix as the results are unpredictable. You could backport a lenny package most likely . |
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| 12:38.23 | adnc | asg: do i do this by adding the url to the sources.list ? |
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| 12:43.51 | asg | adnc: yes but use the lenny deb-src instead of the sid one |
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| 12:45.51 | poppiez | hi, on my system when I run "locale" everything is set to da_DK.UTF-8 except for LC_CTYPE which is en_US.UTF-8. I've run both locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure locales to make it run da_DK.UTF-8 but nothing seems to work. what's wrong? |
| 12:46.56 | adnc | asg like this deb-src ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian lenny contrib main non-free |
| 12:48.00 | asg | adnc: yes |
| 12:49.17 | morpheus | how can we change from etch to lenny ? |
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| 12:52.21 | avu | !tell morpheus about etch->lenny |
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| 12:52.55 | avu | poppiez, the variable could be set manually in one of your shell's configuration files |
| 12:53.35 | avu | poppiez, if you use bash, check /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile, also try a different/new user to make sure it's not somewhere in your users shell initialization |
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| 12:56.16 | poppiez | avu: tried both a new user, "old" user and root. no luck. I could do that, but what keeps overwriting LC_CTYPE? |
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| 12:56.43 | avu | poppiez, as I said, check if it's being done in the shell's configuration files in /etc |
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| 12:58.07 | poppiez | avu: I use bach and I can't find any lines that declare the variable |
| 12:58.09 | poppiez | bash* |
| 12:58.22 | poppiez | only the PS1 and PATH variables |
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| 13:05.07 | avu | peppe, grep -r LC_ /etc reveals nothing? |
| 13:05.20 | peppe | avu: what? |
| 13:05.35 | avu | erm, poppiez ^ |
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| 13:05.43 | avu | peppe, sorry, completion-fail |
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| 13:07.09 | peppe | avu: np |
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| 13:24.45 | Garda | maxownz: don't be a cunt |
| 13:24.55 | Garda | why would you do that to somebody? |
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| 13:25.16 | Garda | hey guyzmo |
| 13:25.18 | Garda | what's up |
| 13:25.32 | guyzmo | hi Garda :) |
| 13:26.00 | Garda | i have to go to sleep |
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| 13:55.03 | kasimon | Hi. Is it possible to change the Distribtion field in a packages changes file via a pbuilder/dpkg-buildpackage command line option? |
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| 14:11.41 | morpheus | jelly see this http://www.bioinformatics.org/vear/cgi-bin/problem.pl |
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| 14:12.59 | sidh | http://packages.debian.org <- there i can't find openoffice.org2 package whereas aptitude -t lenny-backports show them, why ? |
| 14:13.31 | ethanol | google backports? |
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| 14:13.44 | morpheus | your source.list may be configured somewhere else |
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| 14:13.59 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:14.07 | morpheus | hi johnfg |
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| 14:14.53 | abrotman | sidh: is that really the package name ? |
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| 14:15.07 | johnfg | morpheus, I'm wondering how the upgrade to 5.0.2 lenny is? |
| 14:15.27 | abrotman | how? |
| 14:15.53 | morpheus | i dont know but as same says lenny=testing version |
| 14:16.04 | morpheus | some bugs may still be theer |
| 14:16.12 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:16.17 | abrotman | lenny is stable |
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| 14:16.50 | morpheus | etch is stable bro |
| 14:16.55 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 14:17.02 | morpheus | see it once |
| 14:17.05 | johnfg | abrotman, Very stable! It's at the top for me; not just lenny but debian. |
| 14:17.11 | abrotman | etch is oldstable, lenny is stable, squeeze is testing, sid is always unstable |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 14:17.13 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 14:17.13 | liable | im beached bro |
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| 14:17.42 | johnfg | However, I don't usually do an upgrade, but a fresh install. |
| 14:17.52 | abrotman | johnfg: totally unnecessary |
| 14:18.27 | johnfg | abrotman, That's what I thought, and if anyone knows how to do an upgrade painlessly and seamlessly, it would be debian. |
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| 14:20.00 | johnfg | So, is it considered a version upgrade going from 5.0.1 > 5.0.2? |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | johnfg: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 14:21.04 | johnfg | abrotman, Thanks! I'm off to get 'er done! |
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| 14:21.18 | sidh | abrotman: v openoffice.org2 <- output from aptitude |
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| 14:21.35 | abrotman | sidh: apt-cache policy openoffice.org2 |
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| 14:22.49 | wip | this is the day. i have the kvm/ip and i am ready to dist-upgrade my server installation. i fear a big problem during the run... |
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| 14:23.19 | abrotman | THE day? |
| 14:23.28 | sidh | wip do you use proxmox ? |
| 14:23.30 | wip | someone told me that using aptitude i can dist-upgrade slowly (selecting package that i want to install)?? |
| 14:23.48 | wip | sidh: no (i don't know proxmox) |
| 14:23.57 | wip | is googling |
| 14:24.01 | johnfg | abrotman, Do you think that there will be any problems with my kerberos, openldap or openafs when I do either the safe-upgrade or full-upgrade? |
| 14:24.16 | abrotman | johnfg: if you're just giong from lenny 5.0.1 to 5.0.2 .. shouldn't be |
| 14:24.23 | sidh | it is a lenny-based kvm OS |
| 14:24.41 | johnfg | Right. If I want to try squeeze or sid, I'll do it in my vm. |
| 14:24.55 | johnfg | abrotman, Thanks again! |
| 14:25.03 | wip | sidh: nice - actually my ISP take care of that (java / applet) |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | don't thank me til it's done and working |
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| 14:25.16 | p0g0__ | liable: does that mean you are stranded in the sand, or just enjoying a day by the ocean? |
| 14:25.19 | johnfg | abrotman, Can't take it back! |
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| 14:25.34 | wip | what is the solution to dist-upgrade package by package? |
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| 14:25.45 | abrotman | wip: you don't do that .. you'll break it that way |
| 14:25.56 | wip | abrotman: ouch |
| 14:26.00 | abrotman | sidh: where's my paste ? |
| 14:26.08 | abrotman | !tell wip about etch->lenny |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | wip: please read the release notes |
| 14:27.03 | wip | abrotman: then apt-get dist-upgrade and wish me good luck? |
| 14:27.15 | abrotman | read the release notes .. |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | it has pretty explicit instructions on going from etch to lenny |
| 14:27.31 | liable | p0g0__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA (bit of aussie pisstaking the kiwis :) |
| 14:28.15 | abrotman | !tell wip about lenny release notes |
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| 14:29.34 | zxd | I am using a bash script to ssh and run who , to check who is logged to target machine , anyone know if finger can do that? |
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| 14:30.50 | asg | zxd: finger @machine but you are better off using ssh for security reasons |
| 14:31.23 | zxd | asg, I get you haven't specified user name error |
| 14:31.45 | asg | zxd: it used to be that you could just 'finger @machine' to see who was logged on |
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| 14:34.17 | sidh | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d4cad4c93 |
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| 14:36.27 | p0g0__ | liable: I once came across a dead grey whale beached on Ilse de la Mujares in the Sea of Cortez...bigger than a school bus. |
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| 14:37.02 | liable | p0g0__: you didnt dispose of it with dynamite by chance? |
| 14:37.30 | p0g0__ | nah, just walked away...upwind. |
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| 14:38.33 | liable | there is some part of whales that when it decomposes, its worth a shitload, and they make lipstick or perfume or something out of it.. |
| 14:38.45 | p0g0__ | ambergris |
| 14:39.04 | jelly | morpheus: thanks, that put me on the right track |
| 14:39.31 | morpheus | you welcome jelly |
| 14:39.41 | morpheus | you are* |
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| 14:43.48 | gnat_x | i'm building a box out of an old laptop that has an svideo output. basically i want to use it to watch internet tv through the actual tv. my goal is to make it as lightweight as possible (except for iceweasel/ flash which i know are hogs). so i've installed the base system, xorg, and iceweasel. but xorg doesn't seem to have even the most basic window managing (like changing focus). so either i'm missing something or need a wm. if i'm mis |
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| 14:45.06 | djahandarie | gnat_x, you need a WM. You could always try something lightweight like fluxbox |
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| 14:45.42 | djahandarie | gnat_x, also, you could try a lightweight browser like midori if you wanted |
| 14:45.53 | djahandarie | Depends on how much time you want to invest |
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| 14:46.48 | gnat_x | i might give it a shot. a lot of this is about learning, and doing stuff on a box i don't need day to day. |
| 14:46.54 | zykes- | hmm, anyone here witnessed that after installing mysql-server one can't login ? |
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| 14:47.17 | valan | can't login to what? |
| 14:47.19 | zykes- | as root to mysql that is, i've tried both with a password and without |
| 14:47.36 | gnat_x | zykes-: never had that problem. |
| 14:47.47 | valan | did you set the password? |
| 14:47.50 | zykes- | one time i tried, the root user wasn't even there :/ |
| 14:47.51 | zykes- | yes |
| 14:48.09 | valan | i think there's something in the mysql docs about resetting the password |
| 14:48.14 | valan | you might want to give that a look |
| 14:48.24 | zykes- | tried that allready, but hey, i'll try again |
| 14:49.52 | zykes- | if i try to select where user root on mysql database, it's an empty set |
| 14:51.10 | zykes- | debian-sys-maint is the only user in the "mysql" database |
| 14:51.23 | zykes- | this is damned fishy, the same thing happened on ubuntu hardy as well |
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| 14:52.54 | asg | zykes-: /msg dpkg initial mysql password |
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| 14:53.34 | zykes- | what asg ? |
| 14:53.39 | johnfg | abrotman, I get returned, that there was nothing to upgrade! How do I know for sure what version of lenny I'm running? |
| 14:53.56 | johnfg | uname-r returns: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:54.04 | asg | zykes-: our bot will tell you what you need to do to set the initial password or reset it if you forgot it. |
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| 14:54.44 | zykes- | i haven't forgot it, that's the point.. the root user is non existant |
| 14:55.01 | asg | zykes-: did you set an initial one |
| 14:55.22 | zykes- | yes |
| 14:57.02 | johnfg | For anyone else: how do I know whether I'm running lenny 5.0.1 or 5.0.2? |
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| 14:57.14 | zykes- | like even if not setting any password, i still don't get a root user |
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| 14:57.39 | zykes- | only debian-sys-maint gets created |
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| 14:57.43 | valan | johnfg /etc/debian_version |
| 14:57.51 | johnfg | valan, OK, thanks. |
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| 14:57.56 | asg | zykes-: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here' (does that work or fail?) |
| 14:58.10 | zykes- | fails, tried it allready |
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| 14:58.14 | johnfg | OK, I'm already upgrade to 5.0.2! |
| 14:58.16 | asg | zykes-: as root? |
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| 14:58.38 | zykes- | yes |
| 14:58.38 | johnfg | Talk about painless and seamless! I didn't even know I'd done it! |
| 14:58.48 | asg | zykes-: then follow the bot instructions for a forgotten mysql root password |
| 14:59.22 | zykes- | asg: as i said, i can't do that, when there's no root account, i need to insert / make a new one |
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| 15:00.00 | justin | zykes-: so login as the debian maint user and make one |
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| 15:00.50 | zykes- | i still find it disturbing that it doesn't work in the first place |
| 15:01.09 | asg | zykes-: then file a bug |
| 15:01.09 | justin | zykes-: i'm sure it worked in the first place up until the time when something deleted the account |
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| 15:02.15 | asg | zykes-: the forgotten mysql root password instructions involve starting mysql without any grant tables checks. At that point, you can do anything such as create a new root user, etc. |
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| 15:03.18 | kuka000 | hi all |
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| 15:05.37 | zykes- | what's the debian account for anyways? |
| 15:06.11 | kuka000 | i have replaced 'etch' lines to 'lenny' in my /etc/apt/sources.list, and apt-get update returns: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 15:06.14 | \amethyst | zykes-: so that the maintainer scripts can e.g. dump/restore tables when they upgrade mysql |
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| 15:06.34 | kuka000 | wht to do to fix? |
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| 15:09.15 | wip | after aptitude safe-upgrade should i reboot or do aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 15:09.18 | ubsafder | hello |
| 15:09.42 | fastputty | someone could tell me how to execute in the cron "php /var/www/myscript.php" in the folder /test/ ? |
| 15:09.48 | Gun_Smoke | wip: depends.. |
| 15:09.55 | ubsafder | can i start a script as user1 not root at startup of the machine |
| 15:10.27 | zxd | how Do I pass password argument to ssh command |
| 15:10.28 | wip | Gun_Smoke: i really need to avoid problem on this server! |
| 15:10.31 | zxd | i see only -l for username |
| 15:10.39 | zxd | I know not recommended but still |
| 15:10.40 | Gun_Smoke | wip: if you had kernel updates, you would probably need to reboot. If not there is usually no reason to reboot. |
| 15:10.51 | petemc | zxd: use keys if you need to |
| 15:10.53 | wip | Gun_Smoke: excellent thank you |
| 15:11.00 | zxd | petemc, how do I pass password |
| 15:11.17 | petemc | no idea |
| 15:11.46 | kuka000 | fastputty: create a cron entry |
| 15:11.47 | asg | fastputty: 'cd /test ; php /var/www/myscript.php' |
| 15:11.49 | Gun_Smoke | wip: you can start and restart a lot of services from a running machine without the need to reboot.. have a look in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 15:13.07 | SparFux | Hi all. I have some aptitude update problems with german debian server ftp.de.debian.org |
| 15:13.10 | kuka000 | zxd: ssh username@host, and ssh may ask you |
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| 15:13.37 | SparFux | Why do I get these errors: https://rl2.dnsalias.net/public/apt.txt ? |
| 15:13.45 | kuka000 | SparFux: i have too (at ftp.hu.debian.org) |
| 15:13.47 | JyZyXEL | rsync -avxH --progress Program\ Files/ foo@bar:/media/backup/H/Program\ Files/ |
| 15:13.56 | JyZyXEL | its going to /media/backup/H/Program |
| 15:13.59 | SparFux | kuka)00: oh dear! |
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| 15:14.02 | JyZyXEL | its a bug? |
| 15:14.07 | SparFux | I think so. |
| 15:14.23 | JyZyXEL | so do i |
| 15:14.32 | JyZyXEL | escapes not handled properly |
| 15:14.38 | SparFux | And it even breaks parts of my system. I have no 32 bit libxv anymore, because some transition stuff has set up things to fetchs from there. |
| 15:16.25 | kuka000 | gpgv error |
| 15:16.32 | ubsafder | alternativly how can connected as roo i can have script1 runing as user1 ? in one cmd line ? |
| 15:16.53 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: it's a "bug" in ssh |
| 15:17.33 | SparFux | kuka0000: perhaps there are some hints in the news of debian.org? |
| 15:17.51 | kuka000 | ubsafder: sudo -u user1 script |
| 15:17.53 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I put bug in quotes because I believe it's intentional |
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| 15:18.03 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: two levels of quoting should do it |
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| 15:18.48 | kuka000 | SparFux: going to read |
| 15:18.58 | RedDragon | how do you restart iptables in lenny? I would have thought it would have been /etc/init.d/iptables restart but that script file doesn't exist |
| 15:19.32 | SparFux | kuka0000: I found a german posting with advice to use ftp.debian.org |
| 15:19.38 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: or you can use the -s option to rsync |
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| 15:19.55 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: look in the 'ADVANCED USAGE' section of the manual |
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| 15:20.09 | stew | RedDragon: iptables isn't a daemon. its just a tool for manipulating the kernel firewall policy, which is always active |
| 15:20.10 | kuka000 | http://debian.org/News/2009/20090523 |
| 15:20.30 | SparFux | kuka000: perhaps that's the right time for debtorrent ;-) |
| 15:20.58 | kuka000 | RedDragon: iptables isnt a daemon service, not right? |
| 15:21.04 | stew | RedDragon: if you want to apply firewall rules at startup, I'd recommend putting a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ or referencing a script to protect a particular interface in a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
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| 15:21.34 | zxd | kuka000, I dont want it to ask |
| 15:22.35 | RedDragon | ok |
| 15:22.48 | RedDragon | thanks |
| 15:23.00 | kuka000 | zxd: else? give it at commandline? easyly hack by /proc/*/cmdline |
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| 15:23.39 | factor | when will iceweasel 3.5 come out? |
| 15:23.39 | SparFux | kuka000: how does the key exchange apply to the problem? |
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| 15:24.29 | sivel_ | anyone know if there is a firefox 3.5 package for debian lenny? |
| 15:24.42 | RedDragon | isn't there something like /etc/iptables where all the rules are stored? |
| 15:24.52 | morpheus | iceweasel itself is firefox |
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| 15:24.54 | RedDragon | saved with iptables-save ? |
| 15:24.56 | morpheus | sivel |
| 15:25.00 | factor | well it would be iceweasel would it not and not firefox |
| 15:25.13 | sivel_ | factor: in any case |
| 15:25.21 | factor | yup |
| 15:25.25 | factor | but want a 3.5 version |
| 15:25.29 | sivel_ | correct |
| 15:25.30 | kuka000 | SparFux: i get gpgv error when run apt-get update |
| 15:25.38 | sivel_ | I could always just downlaod the tar ball |
| 15:25.44 | abrotman | johnfg: get it figured out? |
| 15:25.45 | SparFux | kuka000: ah! Well, that's not the problem I have. |
| 15:25.54 | sivel_ | just like to keep everything installed by package |
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| 15:26.41 | LeoPanthera | Hi all. Hopefully a simple question: Is it possible to install all the dependencies of a package without installing the package itself? |
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| 15:27.37 | abrotman | you could just make a list and install those |
| 15:28.08 | LeoPanthera | Is there a way to list the dependencies that doesn't also spit out their version numbers and other info I don't need? |
| 15:28.14 | abrotman | apt-cache depends ? |
| 15:28.15 | wip | good news! i can boot into the server (from etch->lenny). but only libcurl3 has been kept back??? |
| 15:28.55 | kuka000 | LeoPanthera: LeoPanthera |
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| 15:29.28 | abrotman | wip: you've done a full-upgrade? |
| 15:29.40 | samantha-c | yay. an actual bug reported ... and without an smtpd. |
| 15:29.41 | wip | abrotman: yep after a safe-upgrade |
| 15:29.57 | abrotman | wip: what if you explicitly install it ? |
| 15:30.01 | sivel_ | so...noone know of a iceweasel 3.5 deb pkg for lenny? |
| 15:30.02 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst, i did Program\\\ Files |
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| 15:30.25 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: unquoted? |
| 15:30.31 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 15:30.46 | gangsterlicious | Cpu(s): 10.1%us, 3.0%sy, 81.2%ni, 5.2%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st <=========== what is "%st" field? |
| 15:30.49 | wip | abrotman: good question. i am not sure if i should! |
| 15:30.51 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: that should work, or 'Program\ Files' |
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| 15:31.00 | abrotman | gangsterlicious: man top .. i think |
| 15:31.00 | kuka000 | re |
| 15:31.02 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: or -s and 'Program Files' |
| 15:31.28 | gangsterlicious | abrotman: i tried. didn't say anytrhing |
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| 15:32.12 | kuka000 | SparFux: mea maxima culpa! i didnt set up my clock, that was the error |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | gangsterlicious: then you did'nt read it |
| 15:32.32 | SparFux | kuka000: oh! |
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| 15:33.23 | kuka000 | gpgv alerted me, keys come from the future :/ |
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| 15:35.37 | SparFux | kuka000: Yes, crypto software is really keen on that. |
| 15:35.54 | ajavid | weird |
| 15:36.19 | ajavid | stable has .30 on my box, and new stable update r8 released, I do aptitude full-upgrade and I get a new .26 kernel |
| 15:36.29 | ajavid | which I don't want... |
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| 15:38.14 | abrotman | so remove the meta package |
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| 15:40.23 | hark | gangsterlicious: which version of debian? |
| 15:41.07 | gangsterlicious | hark: i found it. it's "steal time", thanks. one of my xen box is having high %st |
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| 15:41.33 | abrotman | gangsterlicious: so it was in the man page? |
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| 15:42.46 | gangsterlicious | abrotman: i google it just now. for some reason when i googled last night i couldnt' find it |
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| 15:43.58 | hark | st was only added recently in the man page |
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| 15:44.20 | hark | *relatively |
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| 15:44.40 | gangsterlicious | yea, looks like hypervisor specific |
| 15:46.18 | abrotman | it's in the man page ... |
| 15:46.44 | xingu | gangsterlicious: http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/ParavirtBenefits |
| 15:46.58 | hark | found it: http://bugs.debian.org/402478 |
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| 15:51.22 | MrWax | hi, i have set a conf file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/domain.com.conf and set everything with www in front of it, but now only www.domain.com works, how to also make only http://domain.com work? |
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| 15:53.58 | SparFux | In /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ many ia32* files have been put int automatically. Some transitional thing, I think. But it does not go forward because ftp.de.debian.org does not seem to be available. |
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| 16:00.13 | \amethyst | SparFux: are you using aptitude update or apt-get update ? |
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| 16:00.30 | SparFux | amethyst: aptitude update |
| 16:00.58 | \amethyst | SparFux: use apt-get update instead, and see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533746 |
| 16:01.06 | \amethyst | SparFux: this is because of ia32-apt-get |
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| 16:02.35 | SparFux | amethyst: Aha, thx. So I have to do apt-get update and then can use aptitude but not update with it. |
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| 16:04.37 | \amethyst | SparFux: I think so, but I have heard that aptitude's dependency resolution is likely to switch packages over to the 32-bit version |
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| 16:05.01 | \amethyst | SparFux: there is a thread about this (ia32-libs depending on ia32-apt-get, and the brokenness of the latter) on debian-devel |
| 16:05.07 | SparFux | amethyst: That means my system becomes 32bit? |
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| 16:05.30 | dserban | q. what do I do when I don't have an xorg.conf file to specify much of anything, I start x and it just blanks my screen. I've read that "this is the way things are done now" but I'd like to at least generate a base xorg.conf file as mine's blank and it's gettin' it wrong. What's the procedure in sid now? |
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| 16:05.33 | grundle | hi |
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| 16:05.46 | DetroitLibertyPe | greeting grundle |
| 16:05.48 | SparFux | amethyst: perhaps I just do apt-get update ; apt-get install ia32-<some> ; aptitude update ? |
| 16:05.53 | grundle | what does debian use to get the time? is it an NTP client ? |
| 16:06.18 | \amethyst | SparFux: I'm not sure... it would be worthwhile to read all the bugs on ia32-apt-get and probably much of the debian-devel thread |
| 16:06.20 | SparFux | grundle: I'd advice chronyd for home use. |
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| 16:06.29 | \amethyst | SparFux: I don't use it, so I don't know the details |
| 16:06.38 | SparFux | amethyst: ok thx. |
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| 16:06.50 | dserban | how do i auto generate an xorg.conf file? |
| 16:07.06 | miniBill | how to install firefox 3.5 on lenny? |
| 16:07.08 | grundle | i dont have chronyd installed as of now. |
| 16:07.16 | grundle | miniBill: it's iceweasel |
| 16:07.16 | adb | grundle: apt-cache show ntp |
| 16:07.38 | ajavid | abrotman, ahh thats what it is, gotcha |
| 16:07.41 | miniBill | grundle: how to install iceweasel 3.5 on lenny? |
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| 16:07.58 | ajavid | miniBill, piece of cake, not iceweasel though, firefox |
| 16:08.06 | grundle | adb: so ? |
| 16:08.13 | ajavid | miniBill, I downloaded the shiretoko amd64 build of 3.5pre |
| 16:08.14 | \amethyst | there is no iceweasel 3.5 yet |
| 16:08.16 | grundle | im asking what lenny uses to get the time so i can turn in off. |
| 16:08.32 | miniBill | ajavid: how to do that? |
| 16:08.32 | ajavid | miniBill, it also correctly detected all my plugins installed via debian pcakges, like flash, java, mplayer etc. |
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| 16:09.43 | ajavid | miniBill, download firefox 3.5, rc, unpack to ~/bin/firefox35 or whatever, and launch it with ~/bin/firefox35/firefox -P (use -P and start a new profile for 3.5). Also to launch iceweasel 3.0.11 simultaneously with firefox 3.5, you can launch iceweasel with -P as well and use the default profile |
| 16:10.21 | miniBill | ok |
| 16:10.26 | miniBill | ty |
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| 16:11.25 | ajavid | judd versions iceweasel |
| 16:11.25 | judd | ajavid: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
| 16:11.26 | SparFux | amethyst: can I go without ia32-apt-get on a 64bit system to install 32 bit libs? |
| 16:11.30 | adb | dserban: try /j #debian-ro |
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| 16:11.40 | ajavid | SparFux, yes |
| 16:12.06 | ajavid | SparFux, you need ia32-libs only, extra packages as you need them |
| 16:12.15 | \amethyst | ajavid: ia32-libs now depends on ia32-apt-get |
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| 16:12.21 | ajavid | oh |
| 16:12.27 | \amethyst | ajavid: needless to say a lot of people are pissed off |
| 16:12.28 | SparFux | Yes. Ok. So that sounds much better. |
| 16:12.28 | ajavid | since when? |
| 16:12.43 | SparFux | who is pissed off? |
| 16:12.47 | faffi | everyone |
| 16:12.50 | ajavid | well no matter, it is a bit stupid imo |
| 16:13.02 | ajavid | then agian I don't know the reasoning behind it |
| 16:13.05 | \amethyst | ajavid: since version 17 or so, three days ago |
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| 16:14.42 | elux | where is 'locate' in lenny? |
| 16:14.57 | mesa_booger | locate locate |
| 16:14.58 | ajavid | elux, pacakge 'locate' |
| 16:15.06 | ajavid | judd versions locate |
| 16:15.06 | judd | ajavid: locate -- lenny: 4.4.0-2 sid: 4.4.2-1 squeeze: 4.4.2-1 |
| 16:15.20 | elux | huh? |
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| 16:15.26 | \amethyst | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/06/msg00902.html and following. Most people posting there who aren't Goswin seem a bit upset |
| 16:15.26 | ajavid | aptitude install locate |
| 16:15.51 | elux | ... its not part of the base system anymore? |
| 16:15.58 | klikklak | hi, ff3.5 just came out (duh). I want to get that working with my flash plugin, how do I do that? this 64bit, so I get wrong elf class: elfclass64 on all the plugins when I start ff3.5 |
| 16:16.49 | SteveC | I'm trying to get perl working in my apache setup - I've got a debian box with mod-perl installed, what else do I have to do? |
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| 16:17.03 | \amethyst | elux: not since it was split off from the findutils package |
| 16:17.51 | elux | i have findutils installed.. wouldnt locate be a part of that? |
| 16:18.31 | \amethyst | elux: not since the 4.3.8 packages |
| 16:18.42 | ajavid | \amethyst, oh boy |
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| 16:20.46 | elux | ive added the lenny backports to my sources .. is there a way for apt to make backports take precedence over the standard packages? |
| 16:21.02 | elux | i dont want to have to pass -t lenny-backports for each command |
| 16:21.13 | elux | when really id take a newer backport anytime over a standard package |
| 16:21.13 | ajavid | The reasons for ia32-apt-get are this: |
| 16:21.15 | ajavid | see this? |
| 16:21.29 | ajavid | this is not the way to solve these problems. |
| 16:21.41 | ajavid | but whatever, like I have any say in the fucking matter. |
| 16:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell elux about pinning |
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| 16:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | elux, that seems rather pointless, though - if you install lots (all there are) of packages from backports you also sacrifice stability |
| 16:22.57 | ajavid | not really |
| 16:23.02 | elux | i wouldnt think so either |
| 16:23.07 | ajavid | I fixed my xorg 7.4 lockups on stable |
| 16:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially in regards of upgrade to the next stable |
| 16:23.09 | ajavid | :) |
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| 16:23.14 | elux | ill take that risk |
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| 16:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also no security updates for backports |
| 16:23.36 | ajavid | full on compiz and full on 3d on 7.4 xorg in stable, no more lockup on x restart or system restart or X shutdown |
| 16:23.40 | rhys | ahoy |
| 16:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course he does |
| 16:23.42 | elux | i see. i wasn't aware about that |
| 16:23.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | backports is tested by far less than stable, as far less people use it |
| 16:24.16 | ajavid | do what other people do |
| 16:24.30 | ajavid | run a new brand spanking unstable system with a stable chroot for regular work |
| 16:24.33 | rhys | backports are like squeeze packages in lenny? |
| 16:24.39 | ajavid | !backport |
| 16:24.40 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 16:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | the packages are not better than those in testing (their only advantage is that you normally install just a few) |
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| 16:24.49 | stew | rhys: yes |
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| 16:25.14 | ajavid | rhys, actually unstable packages (to be precise) but you can backport from testing as well |
| 16:25.19 | rhys | as always, dpkg there to browbeat me. :-D |
| 16:25.29 | ajavid | most knowledgable bot on the planet! |
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| 16:25.51 | rhys | indeed. cant complain that hes not used enough. |
| 16:25.55 | linduxed | im starting to partition my drive on my server, what are the general recomendations for which directories deserve an own partition? I'll need /home to get one, but which other ones? |
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| 16:26.01 | jmoncayo | hey guys how can i use find to remove the starting .(point) of all files that ends with .jpg please |
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| 16:26.11 | rhys | linduxed, . |
| 16:26.12 | ajavid | there is a debian partitioning guide |
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| 16:26.37 | linduxed | ajavid: do you have a link? |
| 16:26.42 | ajavid | linduxed, /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:26.47 | ajavid | linduxed, chapter 3 I believe |
| 16:26.47 | stew | jmoncayo: you want to rename the files? |
| 16:26.53 | jmoncayo | stew: yes |
| 16:26.54 | miniBill | one more time, cause I didn't really understand; how to install firefox/iceweasel 3.5? |
| 16:26.56 | linduxed | ajavid: will check |
| 16:27.00 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s05.html.en yes I do |
| 16:27.11 | ajavid | this is for multiboot systems, hmm |
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| 16:27.13 | rhys | linduxed (damn phone, sry), you need /boot if / is raided, and maybe var to stop logs from overflowing, and maybe /chroot to mount noexec, nosuid |
| 16:27.20 | stew | jmoncayo: find /somedir -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/\.jpg$//' |
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| 16:27.49 | jmoncayo | thanks a lot |
| 16:28.06 | ajavid | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apc.html <- |
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| 16:28.21 | ajavid | C.1. Deciding on Debian Partitions and Sizes |
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| 16:28.26 | justin | you don't need /boot for raid |
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| 16:28.40 | ajavid | oh yeah, don't put /boot in a raid or rlse you'll be toast |
| 16:28.47 | justin | you DONT need /boot for raid |
| 16:28.48 | ajavid | good one judd |
| 16:28.49 | ajavid | justin |
| 16:29.07 | rhys | justin, but i would suggest it every time. maybe not for raid1 only |
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| 16:29.38 | rhys | ok then. i have a job interview in an hour. time to go. |
| 16:29.45 | ajavid | good luck. |
| 16:29.46 | miniBill | gl |
| 16:29.56 | rhys | indeed.ty. |
| 16:29.56 | miniBill | ajavid: how to install ff 3.5 ? |
| 16:30.12 | ajavid | miniBill, I already told you. If I tell you again, it will be the same thing. |
| 16:30.23 | jmoncayo | stew: i get a not such file or directory |
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| 16:30.36 | ajavid | miniBill, also, firefox installation on debian is not supported here. I was just being kind. |
| 16:30.48 | stew | jmoncayo: i inteded you to change /somedir to the directory containing all the files to be renamed |
| 16:30.59 | jmoncayo | stew: i know |
| 16:31.01 | stew | jmoncayo: or omit it if you intend to change filenames in the current directory |
| 16:31.07 | stew | jmoncayo: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:31.46 | jmoncayo | stew: find . -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/\.jpg$//' |
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| 16:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 16:32.00 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
| 16:32.07 | smacnay | Can the "send-to" function from Nautilus use the Icedove address book for inserting addresses? |
| 16:32.08 | ajavid | 3.5 has not been packaged yet |
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| 16:32.12 | ajavid | its not released, its still RC3 |
| 16:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I noticed :) |
| 16:32.58 | ajavid | last night I discoverd how shitty open source radeon driver is for 3d gaming |
| 16:33.06 | stew | jmoncayo: and what was the exact output |
| 16:33.14 | ajavid | usually every game I play works perfectly fine right, but as soon as I enabled bloom effects, 1 fps |
| 16:33.25 | jmoncayo | xargs: rename: No such file or directory |
| 16:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1 fps should be more than enough! |
| 16:33.41 | ajavid | I have every other effect in nexuiz and open arena and no lag, aewsome fps, soon as i enable bloom lighting it fuck sup |
| 16:33.43 | stew | jmoncayo: are you runnign debian? |
| 16:33.55 | ajavid | even HDR works perfectly, no lag. Only bloom lighting screws it up |
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| 16:34.40 | jmoncayo | yes, but i tried the command in OS X just to try it until my debian boots up |
| 16:35.06 | SparFux | Wow, safe-upgrade really takes a whole lot of time. |
| 16:35.08 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 16:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, it's amazing though, how crappy 2D performance of most graphic cards was for a long time... I played xpilot which is purely 2D and it was scary how often cards had problems with that |
| 16:35.19 | ajavid | SparFux, depends on inet speed and cpu speed |
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| 16:35.42 | SparFux | ajavid: It has never taken so much time. I wonder wether this is because of ia32-apt-get |
| 16:35.43 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, I couldn't run doom in fullscreen when I first got it (1994) |
| 16:35.53 | stew | jmoncayo: I don't know how to rename files in osx. |
| 16:36.00 | ajavid | SparFux, I have no experience with that package |
| 16:36.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, but you'd normally think stuff would be easier with "just 2D" |
| 16:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no, seems it aint |
| 16:36.33 | jmoncayo | stew: thanks a lot it worked in my debian |
| 16:36.35 | jmoncayo | +) |
| 16:36.39 | jmoncayo | =) ** |
| 16:36.41 | stew | jmoncayo: cool. you're welcome |
| 16:36.45 | ajavid | yes, yes you would |
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| 16:37.19 | ajavid | there was a time when Kings Quest used to lag :( |
| 16:37.35 | ajavid | but open drivers come a long way, especially since open radeon specs |
| 16:37.48 | ajavid | radeon isn't bad, but it could be better on like serious graphics |
| 16:38.12 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, the nouveau project looks quite promising. I am running the 2D driver for nvidia card and it rocks! Great speed. Though it has no 3D support yet, they are working on it. |
| 16:38.15 | ajavid | bloom lighting for sure (for HDR+Bloom together, no way, never work) |
| 16:38.30 | ajavid | and AA doesn't work if HDR is on |
| 16:38.36 | ajavid | isn't that magical. |
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| 16:38.52 | eviltux | hi all |
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| 16:39.05 | elux | in lenny / apt, i noticed there is no "sshguard" package.. this thing is great to block people from trying to brute force access and clutter my logs |
| 16:39.08 | ajavid | eviltux, the power of christ compells you! |
| 16:39.11 | SparFux | I think I have to do something manually. Like updating single packages. safe-upgrade is stuck in an endless seeming work loop. |
| 16:39.16 | elux | i dont even support password auth.. but in any case .. |
| 16:39.24 | amphi | ajavid: heh |
| 16:39.34 | ajavid | :D |
| 16:39.43 | vimpulse | elux: hi. please say the rest of your question on one long long line :) |
| 16:39.49 | simonrvn | stew: mv or cmd-r ;p |
| 16:39.53 | elux | fair enough. |
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| 16:39.59 | boodie | hello: my sound doesn't work at boot; I have to run alsaconf every time, then it works - can anybody advise? |
| 16:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, I wasn't even talking about the open drivers! just the hardware couldn't take it... of course now, ~8 more years passed, and all that exponential growth must have been good for something :) |
| 16:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | elux, fail2ban |
| 16:40.31 | ajavid | oh yeah, hardware did used to suck, computers werent' for serious gaming back in the day, minor gaming |
| 16:40.42 | ajavid | and I was just about to say fail2ban |
| 16:41.11 | elux | CutMeOwnThroat: pardon? |
| 16:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it *could* play a lot of this fancy 3D stuff, but failed in 2D performance |
| 16:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | elux, "apt-cache show fail2ban"? |
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| 16:41.39 | Theoden | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png |
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| 16:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | elux, and I'm (nearly) sure there's at least two other packages with programs that do something similar |
| 16:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell elux about search |
| 16:42.33 | elux | thanks |
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| 16:43.57 | gasull | Hi all. If I run aptitude safe-upgrade, will I be moving from Lenny to unstable? Thank you. |
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| 16:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends |
| 16:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you shouldn't run unstable if you have to ask this, no you should not, no, surely not |
| 16:45.19 | gasull | CutMeOwnThroat: What I want to do is updating my packages from the command line, just the same thing you would do with Update Manager. |
| 16:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !unstable |
| 16:45.28 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 16:45.46 | jmoncayo | stew: lol, what we just did was remove the .jpg from the files |
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| 16:46.04 | jmoncayo | i wanted to remove the leading . in the .jpg files. like .03.jpg |
| 16:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | gasull, it still depends on your sources.list... if unstable is in there, then yes |
| 16:46.21 | stew | jmoncayo: oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood |
| 16:46.29 | gasull | CutMeOwnThroat: OK. So how do I update my packages from the command line? |
| 16:46.36 | stew | jmoncayo: do you understand what the s/\.jpg$// is doing? |
| 16:47.12 | SparFux | Oh no! Now I cat libc6-ia32 installed??? |
| 16:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I already answered that :) yes, just like that |
| 16:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | run aptitude update 1st, though |
| 16:47.27 | gasull | CutMeOwnThroat: I mean, today I saw that x11-common, linux-headers and a lot more packages have been updated in Lenny. How do I install the new version from the command line? |
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| 16:47.46 | jmoncayo | stew: yes lol |
| 16:47.59 | jmoncayo | replaces anything that ends with .jpg with '' |
| 16:48.16 | gasull | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude update just updates the list of packages, not the packages themselves |
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| 16:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | gasull, the same way - /etc/apt/sources.list determines what repositories you use ... you're upgrading to whatever our newest repository is (roughly) |
| 16:48.47 | stew | jmoncayo: so you can patch up the regex to do what you actually need? |
| 16:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's why you should run it before the upgrade |
| 16:49.06 | gasull | CutMeOwnThroat: with safe-upgrade. Oh I see |
| 16:49.41 | jmoncayo | stew: i can do the matching, but i dont know how to use the match to remove the . |
| 16:50.25 | stew | jmoncayo: s/replacethis/withthis/ ; so s/stufftoremove// replaces stufftoremove with nothing |
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| 16:50.43 | stew | jmoncayo: you can use rename -n to test first |
| 16:50.45 | jmoncayo | ohhh |
| 16:50.48 | jmoncayo | oki |
| 16:51.08 | vimpulse | hi all. How can I figure out what went wrong when my Kicker icon has disappeared and I am having trouble accessing my files? Here're the details: For weeks now, I've been running squeeze from a 16GB SD card plugged into my laptop via a USB reader. The USB reader normally has a red LED read/write access light, but is now facing down, and I'm not sure if I should touch it right now. The hostname is pequeno. T |
| 16:51.09 | vimpulse | he plastic housing of the card is chipped. It's worked perfectly, though a bit slow. Today, I was writing an email when suddenly my Kicker and drive buttons disappeared. This is the first time it's happened on pequeno. I quickly saved my email as draft. Now I have only Iceweasel and gvim running. When I try to start xterm or konsole, nothing happens. I can't ssh in: I get "ssh_exchange_identification: Con |
| 16:51.10 | vimpulse | nection closed by remote host". Nmap says the only ports open are 111 (rpcbind) and the HTTP proxy ports. All I can think of to work now is gvim and Iceweasel. In gvim, when I type :!sh, it says it can't execute the shell /bin/bash. When I type :e /, it says the directory is empty. I have no unsaved work. But how can I figure out what went wrong before I reboot? |
| 16:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 16:51.21 | justin | vimpulse: seriously? |
| 16:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | fast typer |
| 16:51.27 | vimpulse | justin: what do you mean? |
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| 16:51.42 | vimpulse | CutMeOwnThroat: i composed the question in gvim, then pasted it in here :) |
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| 16:52.26 | justin | vimpulse: :!dmesg |
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| 16:53.45 | Fedor | Hi |
| 16:53.47 | vimpulse | justin: good idea. but :!dmesg and :!/bin/dmesg both say it can't execute the shell /bin/bash. |
| 16:53.56 | justin | oh, hmm |
| 16:53.59 | ajavid | squeeze doesn't have kicker... |
| 16:54.06 | jmoncayo | stew: i cant seem to get the regexp right, could you please help me |
| 16:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and wtf is kicker anyway |
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| 16:54.19 | ajavid | kde panel |
| 16:54.19 | vimpulse | CutMeOwnThroat: KDE start menu icon |
| 16:54.23 | ajavid | kde 3.5. panel |
| 16:54.27 | vimpulse | oops not kicker |
| 16:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
| 16:54.28 | vimpulse | kickoff |
| 16:54.37 | ajavid | kickoff != kicker |
| 16:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | != kickme? |
| 16:54.59 | ajavid | eh |
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| 16:55.01 | vimpulse | ajavid: fair. I stand corrected. Anyway the KDE4 panel has now disappeared offscreen. |
| 16:55.18 | ajavid | vimpulse, kquitapp plasma && plasma & |
| 16:55.24 | vimpulse | Fedor: hi. Please say your question on one long long line. |
| 16:55.38 | ajavid | vimpulse, your plasma has disappeared, relaunch it to get your panels back. its a known bug |
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| 16:55.45 | Fedor | vimpulse, no questions... :S |
| 16:55.46 | ajavid | vimpulse, happens all the time. don't use kde4 yet. |
| 16:55.52 | vimpulse | Fedor: ah. then just hi :) |
| 16:55.56 | Fedor | :) |
| 16:55.59 | justin | vimpulse: there is no such thing as 'one long long line' in IRC |
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| 16:56.23 | vimpulse | ajavid: how do I run that command with no shell running? |
| 16:56.25 | vimpulse | justin: my 3 lines were pretty long :) |
| 16:56.29 | ajavid | vimpulse, alt+f2 |
| 16:56.52 | justin | vimpulse: not sure what you can do if you can't start a new shell |
| 16:57.00 | helo | is bigmem kernel installed by default? |
| 16:57.04 | ajavid | justin, he can. |
| 16:57.05 | vimpulse | ajavid: bingo! it's a screen full of EXT3-fs errors: they are: |
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| 16:57.51 | ajavid | I'm not here anymore. |
| 16:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | pokes ajavid with a sharp needle |
| 16:57.51 | justin | vimpulse: oh heh, that works too I guess :) |
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| 16:58.28 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, why do you always wanna hurt me in some way or another? |
| 16:58.34 | ajavid | whadido? |
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| 16:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, just testing if you're really not here |
| 16:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you FLINCHED! |
| 16:58.53 | ajavid | I was about to get up and leave |
| 16:59.01 | ajavid | in fact, I'm already up, bye now. |
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| 16:59.18 | helo | is there some way to see how much memory is available from bios, even if only some of it is available, because of 32-bit limits? |
| 16:59.31 | vimpulse | allisterb_: ajavid: scrollback lets me see them all. they are all at either [5303.468030] or [5303.468075]. They are all in ext3_find_entry. They are all in reading directory #376097 or #622057 or #360606. The offset numbers vary. OK so what went wrong? |
| 16:59.33 | helo | throws a dozen more commas in there |
| 16:59.45 | justin | vimpulse: 5303.468030 is a timestamp |
| 16:59.54 | jmoncayo | stew: nvm i got it already |
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| 16:59.55 | jmoncayo | thanks |
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| 17:01.15 | helo | is there some way to see if bigmem will help me? compare current available ram to max available ram? |
| 17:01.17 | vimpulse | allisterb_: sorry i pinged you by accident. I meant to write "all:". |
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| 17:01.56 | vimpulse | helo: how much ram does htop(1) say you have? |
| 17:02.12 | enouf | helo: /msg dpkg myram ; cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 17:03.23 | vimpulse | boodie: i have no clue. My uneducated answer: Does alsaconf make you answer any questions? If not, maybe you can just edit your rc.local file to run it every boot. If you want a more-educated answer, try asking on a mailing list. |
| 17:03.30 | vimpulse | :) |
| 17:04.10 | enouf | helo: -bigmem kernels aren't installed via default, AFAIK - even on i386 that have more than 4G RAM installed |
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| 17:05.22 | vimpulse | enouf: he quit :( |
| 17:05.26 | enouf | vimpulse: jfyi; alsaconf is gone from testing and unstable |
| 17:05.48 | enouf | vimpulse: maybe he wants to check his BIOS intimately :-P |
| 17:05.53 | vimpulse | enouf: :) |
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| 17:06.44 | Agiofws | hi |
| 17:06.49 | vimpulse | So now I see all these ext3_find_entry errors. What can I learn from them? |
| 17:07.10 | Agiofws | whats the email client debian package ... for thunderbird ? |
| 17:07.12 | Agiofws | thunderbird - Transition package for icedove rename ? |
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| 17:07.38 | vimpulse | Agiofws: it is a package which installs icedove on your computer. Icedove is basically thunderbird rebranded for Debian. |
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| 17:08.16 | enouf | !icedove |
| 17:08.16 | KjetilK | I have a mobo with the a Wifi card identified as 0b05:1742 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. 802.11n Network Adapter |
| 17:08.17 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 17:08.26 | Zambezi | Firefox 3,5 is finally here, but I heard RC3 needed new xulrunner, so it might not work in Lenny. |
| 17:08.52 | KjetilK | I found instructions for it on Lenny at http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
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| 17:08.57 | enouf | judd: pciid 0b05:1742 |
| 17:08.59 | judd | enouf: [0b05:1742] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0b05:1742 |
| 17:09.05 | DetroitLibertyPe | according to the folks at #firefox on irc.mozilla.org there no differece between 3.5_RC3 and 3.5 |
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| 17:09.26 | vimpulse | Whose answer was better: mine? Or the bot factoid's? The bot didn't mention that icedove is a *rebranding*. |
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| 17:10.02 | KjetilK | but I was wondering if it is possible to use a non-experimental driver for it, since I don't have any 802.11n devices, 802.11g support only would be fine for now |
| 17:10.14 | KjetilK | enouf, it is actually a USB device |
| 17:10.17 | enouf | what does rebranding mean? the bot's answer is better :-P |
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| 17:11.27 | KjetilK | judd: usbid 0b05:1742 |
| 17:11.27 | judd | KjetilK: Error: "usbid" is not a valid command. |
| 17:11.33 | KjetilK | worth a try :-) |
| 17:11.37 | kamal | hello, does anyone know how to install skype 4.0 beta or skype 4.0 on debian ? |
| 17:11.38 | enouf | ralink firmware |
| 17:11.44 | enouf | !ralink firmware |
| 17:11.44 | dpkg | Firmware is required for the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (lenny, etch-backports) to provide. Firmware also required by the <rt2860sta> and <rt2870sta> staging drivers in Debian kernel images since 2.6.30, install 'firmware-ralink' 0.17 or later to provide. |
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| 17:11.58 | vimpulse | kamal: why don't you just use Skype 2.0? |
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| 17:12.18 | vimpulse | enouf: rebranding means it's the same thing but with a different name. |
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| 17:12.24 | Ergo^ | i accidently did crontab -r instead of -e |
| 17:12.38 | KjetilK | enouf, I know, I have it allready, my question is really whether any of the older 802.11g drivers will work with my card? |
| 17:12.38 | Ergo^ | is there a way i could get back the crontab contents ? |
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| 17:12.58 | enouf | vimpulse: well, ok; so what does "branding" mean? ;-) |
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| 17:13.21 | vimpulse | enouf: branding is a verb which means either assigning a name and logo to a product, or stamping a cow with a hot iron. |
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| 17:13.27 | enouf | KjetilK: i don't know |
| 17:13.40 | kamal | vimpulse : 4.0 has some features that 2.0 doesn't |
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| 17:13.46 | vimpulse | kamal: which new features do you need? |
| 17:13.52 | KjetilK | enouf, ok, anyone else know? |
| 17:14.00 | kamal | they have release for etch officially a .deb package |
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| 17:14.22 | kamal | but i have lenny, not sure if etch package can be used on lenny |
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| 17:14.24 | enouf | vimpulse: ok, but usually i don't associate "brand" with any FOSS |
| 17:14.42 | kamal | will an etch skype package work on lenny ? |
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| 17:15.03 | vimpulse | kamal: again, which new features do you need? |
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| 17:16.19 | vimpulse | kamal: please answer my first question. Then I will answer your next question. If you don't know, that's OK; just say so. |
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| 17:18.13 | henux | so im going to install debian 5.0 on a VPS when i rent it. can i / should i encrypt its hard drives? |
| 17:18.31 | vimpulse | henux: why would you want to? |
| 17:18.58 | henux | vimpulse: isnt encrypting hard drives a sane thing to do? |
| 17:19.32 | vimpulse | henux: i don't manage any servers, just my home laptops. But I never encrypt the hard drives. It saves me time and effort not to. |
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| 17:20.22 | valan | nothing wrong with encrypting hard drives |
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| 17:20.49 | vimpulse | henux: what sensitive information will be stored on the VPS? |
| 17:20.53 | henux | do you think the performance hit is too much for a VPS? |
| 17:20.58 | henux | vimpulse: im going to use it for development |
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| 17:21.24 | DetroitLibertyPe | questions like that, why would you want to, help informt the rest of us who would have never thought of doing so, just why someone would want to, its not an attack by any means, this is #debian, we're friendly people |
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| 17:22.09 | henux | well encrypting your hard drives just sounds sensible to me as you can be certain that they wont be accessed |
| 17:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you? |
| 17:22.22 | vimpulse | DetroitLibertyPe: fair. I should have wrote "what would be your reasons pro and con" instead. henux: did I offend you with the "why would you want to?"? |
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| 17:22.28 | valan | i would in fact say that one is wrong not to encrypt the data if potentially sensitive or private data will be stored there |
| 17:22.35 | vimpulse | henux: if the VPS owners came in and stole the hard drive from your box, what could happen? |
| 17:22.56 | vimpulse | henux: *and stole a copy of the data from your box |
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| 17:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimpulse, the vps owners already own that harddrive! |
| 17:23.06 | r1nu- | hello can anyone give his source.list from debian lenny because i am from format and i am little confuse to put it one by one ... |
| 17:23.07 | henux | vimpulse: they would steal my copyrighted stuff |
| 17:23.13 | vimpulse | CutMeOwnThroat: :-) |
| 17:23.21 | henux | CutMeOwnThroat: but not the data stored in it |
| 17:23.35 | henux | the data would be my property |
| 17:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | henux, no, but if they'd want it, they could get it anyway |
| 17:23.40 | vimpulse | henux: what is the most amount of money you might lose, in lost sales and other damages, if that happened? |
| 17:23.47 | henux | CutMeOwnThroat: how? the hard drives are encrypted |
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| 17:23.57 | henux | vimpulse: well i dont know :) |
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| 17:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | henux, they are decrypted when you access them |
| 17:24.10 | henux | thats true :/ |
| 17:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be easy to access when they're mounted |
| 17:24.25 | henux | CutMeOwnThroat: but they are encrypted on the fly when the hard drives are accessed, are they not? |
| 17:24.29 | vimpulse | henux: do you trust the people who work at your VPS provider company? |
| 17:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only reason you'd have was to hide stuff from some 3rd person stealing the disk from the VPS owner |
| 17:24.44 | henux | vimpulse: i dont know them, this is the first time im renting a VPS |
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| 17:25.22 | vimpulse | henux: why do you want to use a VPS instead of a regular PC? |
| 17:25.38 | henux | vimpulse: its always online, it has more bandwidth etc. |
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| 17:25.53 | valan | r1nu- http://pastebin.com/m134dda30 |
| 17:25.57 | henux | i like to access it where ever i go |
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| 17:26.20 | vimpulse | henux: you can access your personal laptop wherever you go too :) even in Antarctica. |
| 17:26.29 | r1nu- | valan: thank's a lot mate. |
| 17:26.31 | henux | vimpulse: im going to store my source code in there and use it as development server, as well as a demo site for things i might sell to customers |
| 17:26.45 | henux | vimpulse: im going to run some web services there |
| 17:26.46 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat most theivery is an inside job |
| 17:27.03 | henux | hmm |
| 17:27.20 | henux | stuff like that |
| 17:27.38 | vimpulse | henux: remember, I am not a sysadmin, and I have never rented a VPS, and I am probably very unqualified to be answering you. :) |
| 17:27.40 | sepult | is slang maybe necessary to read non utf-8 output or so ? |
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| 17:27.58 | henux | thats okay |
| 17:28.16 | sepult | man, that's really annoying i installed every font and locale, but i can't read them in emacs |
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| 17:28.56 | enouf | i guess s/most/much/ .. but much also just needs a 'lending hand' or some 'helpful information' from an insider (which many times, the insider sells) |
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| 17:29.22 | vimpulse | dear all: what do you think henux should do? I will just sit quietly and listen. :) |
| 17:29.30 | grim | anyone know if it's possible to rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/status? it looks like a recent upgrade busted libstdc++ and now my dpkg status is corrupted |
| 17:29.54 | enouf | sepult: dpkg-reconfigure locales and add the locales you want to be able to read? |
| 17:30.06 | JPT | is there a command to simply view and change the network interface configuration? i cannot find eth0 anymore |
| 17:30.08 | mesa_booger | grim: there may be a /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
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| 17:30.32 | JPT | (ifconfig does not show eth0) |
| 17:30.33 | hikenboot | anyone know if there is a work around for this bug or is there a release with the patch that is mentioned that is downloadable? |
| 17:30.37 | hikenboot | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502618 |
| 17:30.39 | enouf | JPT: /msg dpkg 70 |
| 17:30.51 | cahoot | JPT: what does ifcinfig -a show then? |
| 17:30.54 | enouf | JPT: ls /sys/clas/net (will show you known ifaces) |
| 17:31.10 | JPT | grr |
| 17:31.15 | JPT | why is there eth1 |
| 17:31.29 | grim | mesa_booger: that's broken too, i just found a link to basically trick it, going to try shortly |
| 17:31.31 | JPT | okay..never change the mac address of your virtual network interface |
| 17:31.35 | JPT | enouf: thanks :) |
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| 17:32.10 | enouf | JPT: curious; what did you change the MAC with? a tool? ifrename? |
| 17:32.27 | enouf | or .. the z25/70 file? |
| 17:32.27 | JPT | well... i'm running Sun VirtualBox |
| 17:33.03 | mesa_booger | macchanger is pretty cool |
| 17:33.23 | JPT | actually, i was trying something, because i could not get any dhcp lease |
| 17:33.30 | JPT | but manual configuration worked |
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| 17:33.49 | elux | does anyone here use ec2? this is a stupid question, but i cannot seem to find where i can download the pk-DV....pem file ? |
| 17:34.08 | abrotman | enemy counterstrike? |
| 17:34.15 | justin | elux: pk=private key? |
| 17:34.19 | elux | yes |
| 17:34.23 | justin | elux: from amazon? |
| 17:34.26 | elux | yes |
| 17:34.32 | dwschool | is there any way to fix permission after screwing them up? |
| 17:34.59 | vimpulse | kamal: how's progress? |
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| 17:35.30 | dwschool | i went to the top of the directory tree and made everything unwritable for group now i can't do anything |
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| 17:35.40 | dwschool | not even with root |
| 17:35.55 | elux | gounf it |
| 17:35.57 | elux | found it |
| 17:36.04 | hikenboot | funny thing is this bug report was from 2008 and I am using the latest testing release |
| 17:36.09 | zykes- | is there any kind of backport site like rpmforge for centos for debian ? |
| 17:36.26 | cahoot | !bpo |
| 17:36.26 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 17:37.22 | vimpulse | zykes-: just curious -- what package do you need? |
| 17:37.33 | dwschool | can anyone help me? |
| 17:37.42 | zykes- | vimpulse: i'm just looking |
| 17:37.44 | zykes- | nothing more |
| 17:37.56 | zykes- | xen 3.4 maybe if available |
| 17:38.10 | vimpulse | dwschool: please, when you reask, repeat the entire question including all new data you have gotten on one long long line. |
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| 17:39.44 | dwschool | i went to the top of the directory tree and made everything unwritable for group now i can't do anything |
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| 17:40.02 | dwschool | i went to the top of the directory tree and made everything unwritable for group now i can't do anything is there anything i can do to fix this without reinstall |
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| 17:40.19 | justin | dwschool: what did you do, exactly |
| 17:41.00 | dwschool | with wnscp, i highlighted all directories in / and changed the group writable permission to off |
| 17:41.14 | dwschool | because sendmail was not starting up |
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| 17:41.51 | justin | dwschool: why did you think that doing that could possible fix sendmail? |
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| 17:42.19 | dwschool | because it was camplaing about group writable problems, now sendmail starts but i screwed everything else |
| 17:42.50 | homo | hello, i have a question: i am currently running my pc on ubuntu and am thinking about switching to debian. what are the pros and cons of running debian as opposed to debian derivatives? |
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| 17:43.28 | subopt | Anyone know how to test for the existence of and env var in tcsh? |
| 17:43.29 | justin | dwschool: the only thing in / that normall has group write permissions is /tmp |
| 17:43.44 | abrotman | homo: depends how you use your PC and which version of debian you intend to run |
| 17:44.11 | dwschool | yeah but i did it recursivly the problem is I cannot change permissions now and ssg doesn't work but i can log into console |
| 17:44.17 | dwschool | ssh* |
| 17:44.34 | abrotman | homo: in general, more stability is usually one thing, differences in the way the distros use non-free bits also |
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| 17:45.02 | dwschool | setgid operation not permitted |
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| 17:45.08 | dwschool | when i try su |
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| 17:45.35 | justin | dwschool: yeah, if I were you I'd reinstall |
| 17:46.05 | justin | well, if I were me I'd fix it, but your best bet is to reinstall |
| 17:46.09 | dwschool | could i get at least ssh working so i can pull off my config files i need, i have alot at stake here |
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| 17:46.51 | DetroitLibertyPe | does anyone know a GUI for connecting Bluetooth periphials that doesn't require me to install half of the GNOME/KDE libraries to my LXDE system? |
| 17:46.59 | justin | dwschool: you can start SSH from the rescue CD |
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| 17:47.06 | dwschool | justin: how hard would it be to fix it? |
| 17:47.11 | homo | well i bought my pc with the intention of using it mainly for school work (programming assignments, word documents, etc). i end up using my computer for surfing the internet, general purpose hacking and programming, and running scripts. i don't run much media except for internet radio. |
| 17:47.30 | justin | dwschool: do you have another debian system running the same release? |
| 17:47.52 | dwschool | nope but i could have if needed |
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| 17:48.28 | justin | dwschool: find / -printf "chmod %m %p\n" |
| 17:48.40 | justin | then just run the resulting file on the broken system |
| 17:48.44 | justin | that should mostly fix things up |
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| 17:49.05 | justin | replace / with more specific dirs accordingly if you need to |
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| 17:49.56 | homo | how hard is the transition from ubuntu 9.04 to the most stable version of debian? |
| 17:49.58 | mns | I've got virtualbox pinned to unstable. How do I upgrade a package that I've got installed via pinning ? |
| 17:50.25 | streuner__ | homo: not hard |
| 17:50.56 | Tuomas | is this a place for debian-cd/simple-cdd question? I have a problem with ramdisk getting too small when I create a cd image with simple-cdd |
| 17:51.15 | dwschool | justin - can i paste it into console? |
| 17:51.24 | streuner__ | homo: i've never used *bunt*, but its easy to install Debian ;-) |
| 17:51.32 | justin | dwschool: you can, it'll be a bit long heh |
| 17:51.43 | justin | dwschool: if you start with /bin /sbin etc it will fit though... |
| 17:52.06 | craigevil | DetroitLibertyPe: you might take a look at btscanner it is ncurses rather than GUI but it doesnt seem to depend on any gnome/kde |
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| 17:52.34 | homo | streuner__: i dual boot my pc currently with ubuntu and windows. i have about 2gigs for swap, 30 gigs for the linux and like 140 for /home |
| 17:52.35 | DetroitLibertyPe | homo, my suggestion would be to backup your /home directory and do a fresh install of Debian on your entire partitian |
| 17:52.58 | DetroitLibertyPe | !ncurses |
| 17:52.58 | dpkg | hmm... ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 17:53.09 | homo | hmm i will do that |
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| 17:53.48 | vimpulse | zykes-: xen 3.4? which version of debian do you want to install it on? |
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| 17:56.26 | vimpulse | justin: ajavid: I found the answer to my ext3 problem. I checked the USB card reader's USB plug, and it appears that it was slightly unplugged. Sad that I didn't realize that before. But I am happy now to know I can still fully trust my setup, as long as the card reader stays plugged in. I will save my work more often in the future. justin, ajavid, thank you. |
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| 17:57.52 | thegrundle | hi |
| 17:57.57 | vimpulse | (This is the first time it's ever come unplugged while the machine was running. Plus the machine has been just sitting there on the desk today.) |
| 17:58.23 | vimpulse | thegrundle: hi, please ask away on one long long line. |
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| 18:00.52 | thegrundle | i just installed lenny |
| 18:00.57 | thegrundle | how do i upgrade to xorg 1.5 ? |
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| 18:02.28 | thegrundle | i just installed lenny last night. and now when i turn my computer on, it' wont boot to the kde desktop |
| 18:02.32 | thegrundle | why. |
| 18:02.56 | maligor | what does it boot to? |
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| 18:03.35 | thegrundle | maligor: just the command prompt |
| 18:03.38 | thegrundle | the login prompt |
| 18:03.50 | thegrundle | i getty i think it's called |
| 18:03.51 | justin | thegrundle: did you install kde? |
| 18:03.56 | thegrundle | justin: yes |
| 18:03.58 | abrotman | thegrundle: aptitude install xorg kde kdm ? |
| 18:04.00 | maligor | do you have KDM or GDM installed? |
| 18:04.03 | thegrundle | kdm |
| 18:04.12 | thegrundle | i was using kde for a while. |
| 18:04.17 | thegrundle | it WAS working |
| 18:04.19 | thegrundle | now it's not. |
| 18:04.19 | maligor | tried startx? |
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| 18:04.53 | thegrundle | startx fails |
| 18:05.04 | thegrundle | /etc/init.d/kdm start fails |
| 18:05.05 | abrotman | thegrundle: why are you using a different nick than last night? |
| 18:05.15 | abrotman | and stop hitting enter so often, please |
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| 18:05.24 | thegrundle | abrotman, because i live in america and america is a free country. |
| 18:05.36 | abrotman | oh lovely ... |
| 18:05.38 | maligor | yes, and we're free to choose who we help |
| 18:05.50 | vimpulse | thegrundle: abrotman is much more free to get people removed from here than you. |
| 18:05.59 | thegrundle | what did i do? |
| 18:05.59 | valan | what errors does x give? |
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| 18:06.08 | abrotman | thegrundle: have you checked your Xorg.0.log for errors ? |
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| 18:06.23 | thegrundle | valan: errno 104 and errno 3 |
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| 18:06.54 | valan | how about something more descriptive |
| 18:07.02 | valan | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:07.03 | vimpulse | thegrundle: each time you hit enter, you take up one extra line on people's screens. So it is better to wait a moment before you hit enter, to think about whether you have more to add *on the same line*. :) |
| 18:07.18 | thegrundle | no lines marked EE in log file. |
| 18:07.56 | valan | hrm |
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| 18:08.09 | valan | is kdm running? |
| 18:08.37 | thegrundle | kdm is running, but no desktop. |
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| 18:09.03 | valan | eh you said kdm failed |
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| 18:09.19 | thegrundle | no desktop. it failed |
| 18:09.33 | justin | thegrundle: if it FAILED then it is NOT running |
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| 18:09.40 | valan | restart kdm |
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| 18:10.09 | thegrundle | there's a pid of kdm under ps aux. /etc/init.d/kdm restart doesent work. |
| 18:10.19 | justin | !+doesn't work |
| 18:10.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:10.59 | thegrundle | i already said, there's no desktop. Im at a black black screen with white letters. |
| 18:11.02 | valan | i used to procrastinate doing the dishes, now i don't have any dishes to wash :) |
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| 18:11.25 | valan | thegrundle you need to be more clear, how doesn't it work? what error does it give? |
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| 18:12.50 | enouf | kdm can most certainly be running and no desktop is up and running |
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| 18:13.01 | enouf | i know, i've messed with that bloated POFS |
| 18:13.06 | justin | enouf: yep, startx is a better command for testing... |
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| 18:13.18 | justin | kdm will log to syslog, but startx will dump any errors right tothe console |
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| 18:13.40 | valan | either one will log errors to Xorg.0.log, which is what is needed |
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| 18:14.11 | valan | no point trying to explain how to create .xinitrc and run startx if all the mechanism needed is already available |
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| 18:14.30 | enouf | startkde |
| 18:14.41 | enouf | (is usually the way it's launched) |
| 18:14.44 | thegrundle | i said there are no lines marked EE, but here are lines marked WW, http://pastebin.com/m6675214d |
| 18:14.46 | justin | valan: you do not need to create an .xinitrc. startx will start the default system WM |
| 18:14.53 | enouf | (atleast for 3.5.x) |
| 18:15.12 | justin | enouf: startkde starts X if it isn't running? |
| 18:15.17 | elux | hey guys |
| 18:15.21 | enouf | justin: yes |
| 18:15.23 | elux | how can i set my server's hostname/domain on boot? |
| 18:15.25 | justin | enouf: odd |
| 18:15.25 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 18:15.31 | valan | startkde didn't used to, i not used it lately though |
| 18:15.57 | valan | and startx used to only read from .xinitrc |
| 18:16.03 | valan | i've really not messed much with x lately heh |
| 18:16.13 | enouf | i might be mistaken, it's been a while, and i don't have it anymore it seems, -- thought it was a shell script |
| 18:16.33 | justin | valan: startx CAN read from .xinitrc, it does not require one |
| 18:16.43 | elux | nevermind |
| 18:16.51 | valan | like i said, i'm likely behind times in regard to this x stuff ;) |
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| 18:17.07 | valan | thegrundle use the init script to stop kde, then run startkde |
| 18:17.18 | enouf | what happens is both call upon /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc which sources /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 18:17.32 | justin | valan: no, startx |
| 18:17.39 | justin | I doubt startkde starts X |
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| 18:18.21 | enouf | which then parses any $USER/.xinitrc |
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| 18:18.51 | valan | startkde does in fact start the x server, i just tested it |
| 18:18.54 | enouf | justin: it's used instead of startx, when KDE is used |
| 18:19.21 | valan | didn't use to though, you used to have to call it inside .xinitrc |
| 18:19.51 | valan | but that mighta been kde2 or something heh |
| 18:20.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | thegrundle, the last warning could mean the driver just can't handle your card - although it thinks it can, the others are irrelevant. |
| 18:20.20 | enouf | thegrundle: what does 'runlevel' say? |
| 18:20.48 | justin | enouf: no, startkde is like gnome-session |
| 18:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if thegrundle ran X on a vesa driver before |
| 18:20.55 | justin | as in echo startkde > ~/.xsession |
| 18:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, doesn't answer anymore |
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| 18:22.40 | enouf | hrm, i guess i meant xsession, not xinitrc ; $ grep -i xsession /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 18:22.57 | justin | enouf: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-12/msg00863.html |
| 18:22.58 | enouf | which makes sense if a DM is installed |
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| 18:23.15 | justin | pretty sure startkde never started X for you |
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| 18:24.13 | thegrundle | enouf: N 2 |
| 18:24.28 | thegrundle | it should be able to handle my card. i was just playing Quake wars an hour ago. |
| 18:25.01 | enouf | justin: instead of startx. startkde was/is used .. whether IT then calls startx, not sure, i don't have it here anymore |
| 18:25.14 | thegrundle | http://70.44.195.123/syslog |
| 18:25.27 | justin | enouf: again, startkde is the script that starts the KDE apps. I don't believe that it EVER started X for you |
| 18:25.39 | valan | yes startkde starts x |
| 18:25.40 | enouf | valan: can you pastebin output of /usr/bin/startkde if it's a shell script? |
| 18:25.41 | valan | i tested it |
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| 18:25.55 | justin | valan: it does that in KDE4? |
| 18:25.56 | enouf | or is it in /sbin/ which i doubt |
| 18:25.57 | abrotman | thegrundle: what is your video card ? |
| 18:26.05 | valan | actually no it might not, now that i think how i tested it |
| 18:26.12 | valan | i didn't actually kill x before i ran it heh |
| 18:26.13 | enouf | 14:03 < enouf> (atleast for 3.5.x) |
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| 18:26.26 | valan | i won't touch kde4 |
| 18:26.31 | thegrundle | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780MC [Radeon HD 3100 Graphics] |
| 18:26.40 | valan | i would rather do unspeakable things than come anywhere close to kde4 |
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| 18:27.24 | [rip]oink | hey anyone tried the 190.09 beta cuda nvidia drivers |
| 18:27.24 | Bravewolf | Is squeeze now supported by the security team? I've read that the security support for testing would re-start on June. |
| 18:27.26 | [rip]oink | ? |
| 18:27.55 | enouf | thegrundle: the N 2 is good/normal .. but .. you might want to run as root/sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager, and x-session-manager |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | Bravewolf: i think it's supposed to be, but in actuality it hasn't received updates yet .. |
| 18:27.58 | Iridos | thegrundle, what version of debian are you running, btw? |
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| 18:29.05 | enouf | thegrundle: install and pkill kdm ; telinit 1 (see if kdm reappears) ; (if not) telinit 2 |
| 18:29.05 | thegrundle | Iridos: lenny. Linux smax 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu May 28 15:39:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:29.42 | enouf | thegrundle: did kdm appear at first? and you selected Session, and logged in? typing your passwd? OR .. is it set to autologin? through K Control Center? |
| 18:29.49 | [rip]oink | enouf / abrotman y0! :) |
| 18:30.02 | enouf | yo-yo ma! |
| 18:30.08 | Iridos | hmmmm |
| 18:30.16 | abrotman | thegrundle: so X worked before you installed fglrx ? |
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| 18:30.30 | Iridos | thegrundle, run "df -h" is /home full by any chance? |
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| 18:30.57 | thegrundle | Iridos: 5% use |
| 18:31.06 | Iridos | well, just an idea |
| 18:31.25 | valan | startkde http://pastebin.com/m2100162 |
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| 18:31.39 | valan | it doesn't startx my testing environment was borked ;) |
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| 18:32.24 | crazzy | I messed up when installing debian lenny and I want to remove my crypto partitions, but the installer wont let me do that. How do I do it? |
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| 18:33.19 | justin | crazzy: run fdisk manually? |
| 18:33.27 | crazzy | justin: I'll try that |
| 18:33.28 | abrotman | thegrundle: so X worked before you installed fglrx ? |
| 18:33.28 | justin | crazzy: dd over the first part of the drive and create a new partition table? |
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| 18:34.04 | crazzy | justin: I can't dd it since I have data I want on another partition |
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| 18:36.49 | enouf | justin: point taken (as it pertains to startkde), i've read the mailing list stuff you posted, however, i'd still like to see what's in the file (/usr/bin/startkde), how it (the whole starting of the Xserver occurs) differs if a DM intervenes, which user is running which operations, etc etc |
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| 18:37.12 | justin | enouf: it doesn't differ very much, all the same scripts are started |
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| 18:39.16 | valan | enouf i threw startkde up on pastebin, scroll up some for the link |
| 18:39.31 | valan | from 3.5.10 |
| 18:40.01 | enouf | All i recall is, if a DM is used and one wants to config their X when it loads, one is supposed to use a ~/.xsession over an ~/.xinitrc .. why? i'm not so sure anymore |
| 18:40.12 | crazzy | justin: Thanks for the tip, I ran fdisk and removed the partitions then used cryptsetup to remove the crypto devices. :) |
| 18:40.14 | enouf | valan: i missed it :-/ |
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| 18:41.06 | abrotman | enouf: you're supposed to always use .xsession .. if the .xinitrc is missing, it will use the other |
| 18:41.12 | enouf | valan: i still don't see the URL |
| 18:41.15 | valan | <valan> startkde http://pastebin.com/m2100162 |
| 18:41.23 | enouf | thanks |
| 18:41.43 | _saw | when can we expect iceweasel 3.5 :P |
| 18:41.47 | enouf | abrotman: what is "it"? in the 'it will use' |
| 18:41.54 | abrotman | enouf: startx/*dm |
| 18:42.07 | abrotman | oh .. if .xinitrc is missing, startx will use the .xsession |
| 18:42.09 | vimpulse | _saw: when will Firefox 3.5 final come out from Mozilla? |
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| 18:42.32 | enouf | abrotman: when one uses a DM, there is no startx |
| 18:42.36 | valan | 3.5 final is out |
| 18:42.46 | enouf | abrotman: atleast, not directly typed into a console |
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| 18:42.58 | vimpulse | valan: so download the binary .tar.gz into ~, and run that until the Debian package is ready. |
| 18:43.03 | vimpulse | oops |
| 18:43.06 | valan | heh |
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| 18:43.29 | vimpulse | _saw: I meant you. :) Note that the binary is supported by them, not us. But their binaries always work fine for me. |
| 18:43.39 | abrotman | enouf: no kidding .. thanks :) |
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| 18:43.56 | abrotman | enouf: the DMs use .xsession, and startx will if .xinitrc is missing |
| 18:44.46 | _saw | vimpulse, ok :) |
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| 18:45.16 | jpinx | when I go to 2nd tty it is not occupying the full physical screen. How can I make it do so? |
| 18:45.26 | malchias | I am trying to understand/install quotas on Lenny. I followed various tutorials and think that I have journaling quotas installed but I don't know how to test. I used edquota to set quotas, and dd to create a file larger than the hardlimit but was able to still create additional files. How do I test if it is configured correctly? |
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| 18:45.33 | vimpulse | _saw: Firefox tarballs are really good: they require no installation, and are self-contained within one directory. |
| 18:46.46 | vimpulse | _saw: note that for most other apps, though, you should not download any tarballs from upstream. They can mess up your system. |
| 18:46.51 | malchias | also, quotacheck is giving me this error: quotacheck: Quota for groups is enabled on mountpoint / so quotacheck might damage the file. |
| 18:46.52 | malchias | Please turn quotas off or use -f to force checking. |
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| 18:47.42 | _saw | vimpulse, thanks for information. |
| 18:47.44 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. so startx is supposed to be launched as $USER? what about a DM from the Console? same? |
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| 18:49.17 | enouf | abrotman: i recall running into many permission denied, when fighting with these silly things to try and launch X from console. Then, natually if i used sudo/su as root, i'd inevitably get the veritable No Display Set :-P |
| 18:49.24 | abrotman | enouf: i'm just teling you which files do what ... |
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| 18:50.22 | valan | enouf startx is called as user, as is all the desktop related stuff |
| 18:51.01 | valan | k/g/xdm must have superuser priviledges to allow other users to log in and run x stuff |
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| 18:52.39 | malchias | anyone know about the quota questions? |
| 18:53.05 | ariel_ | having issue with apt-get, I can't get it to get anything after installation off dvd debian lenny |
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| 18:53.23 | malchias | ariel: what is the errors messages? |
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| 18:53.46 | ariel_ | well it can't find packages I tried apt-get install ssh |
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| 18:53.59 | malchias | did you edit the repositories? |
| 18:54.02 | ariel_ | I also did apt-get update --fix-missing |
| 18:54.18 | ariel_ | yes I did I put a # infront of the cd setup |
| 18:54.36 | ariel_ | in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:55.01 | enouf | valan: k/g/xdm ... and therein lies the problem with laucnching a DM from console |
| 18:55.02 | thegrundle | abrotman: yes it worked both before and after i installed fglrx. i was playing quake wars earlier this morning. turned off my computer. came back, no desktop. |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | ariel_: apt-cache search ssh ? |
| 18:55.27 | valan | enouf what's the problem? |
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| 18:55.50 | malchias | apt-get update too after you commented out the cd-setup? |
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| 18:56.04 | enouf | valan: it either a) doesn't load, fails with errors, or b) start as root, in which case, you are then root running X things |
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| 18:56.37 | enouf | valan: not to mention you then need to export DISPLAY=:x.x |
| 18:56.40 | ariel_ | abrotman: that gave me a few things but did not find ssh |
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| 18:56.59 | abrotman | ariel_: apt-cache search openssh |
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| 18:57.02 | valan | if it's a, there's probably errors in your config |
| 18:57.04 | ariel_ | malchias: I did the apt-get update and also apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:57.16 | valan | and you're only running a graphical login prompt as root |
| 18:57.30 | malchias | on another topic: WOOT ultraedit for linux is in beta! |
| 18:57.51 | enouf | valan: i've toyed with a few WMs, and trying to launch them with a DM and without - it's a mess .. that's all i know, and no; i don't fully understand the mechanisms in the background, but many are a fail |
| 18:58.01 | ariel_ | abrotman: also not finding it |
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| 18:58.13 | Leftmost | Is there a simple way to determine which package a file belongs to? |
| 18:58.44 | valan | i fail to see how it's a mess, it's actually quite simple |
| 18:58.49 | malchias | apt-file search filename |
| 18:58.50 | dondelelcaro | Leftmost: dpkg -S path/to/file |
| 18:58.52 | enouf | valan: for ex; right now, i cannot get openbox to start from console, without having kwin set as default x-window-manager .. go figure |
| 18:58.56 | plb | I have a couple of servers with nfs mounts from another server. One of the directories on the mount has 775, yet members of the group that owns the directory cannot write to the directory. When I try directly on the server where the nfs mount comes from, they have no problem |
| 18:59.04 | Leftmost | Thank you, dondelelcaro. |
| 18:59.24 | enouf | valan: yes,i've toyed/altered all the update-alternatives, etc |
| 18:59.34 | thegrundle | how do i upgrade x to 1.5 |
| 18:59.42 | valan | dm brings up x and displays only a login prompt for you to login and choose your session, than it kills that x server, starts a new one as that user, loading the selected session |
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| 19:00.00 | enouf | valan: have no DM |
| 19:00.12 | valan | wait |
| 19:00.21 | enouf | valan: what if the DM fails to appear? fails to bring up it's GUI login? |
| 19:00.23 | valan | you need kwin set as default wm to start openbox? |
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| 19:00.27 | enouf | yes |
| 19:00.39 | ajavid | huh |
| 19:00.50 | valan | enouf if the dm fails to appear it's 99.9% of the time a problem with xorg.conf |
| 19:00.51 | malchias | ariel_: could be helpful to post your sources.list in the pastebin |
| 19:00.59 | enouf | valan: not here |
| 19:01.09 | ajavid | if the dm fails to appear it means its probably nto isntalled |
| 19:01.09 | valan | you might be that .1% ;) |
| 19:01.23 | plb | any ideas why write would be denied to a member of the group that owns a directory when the directory has group write permission? |
| 19:01.33 | enouf | xorg.conf has nothing to do with the DM appearing, unless you mean some OTHER unrelated Video/Monitor/Driver issue |
| 19:01.40 | enouf | that causes Xserver to fail |
| 19:01.45 | ajavid | otherwise X would fail to launcn, in which case xorg.conf will be the problem |
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| 19:01.54 | valan | it has everything to do with the dm appearing, since the dm is simply an application ran on x |
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| 19:01.54 | xyan | plb: read only mounted fs? |
| 19:02.06 | ajavid | application comes AFTER X |
| 19:02.11 | _saw | whan i try to run firefox 3.5 i get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:02.12 | ajavid | if no X -= no app |
| 19:02.13 | plb | xyan: nope, the user that owns the directory can write fine, but not members of the group |
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| 19:02.52 | ajavid | valan, right |
| 19:02.53 | xyan | missing read/execute perms for the group on a higher level on the directory tree? |
| 19:03.19 | Esto | is that possible to configure apt to automatically install -dev packages if they available? |
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| 19:04.16 | valan | oh i dunno about debian, but some distros check for runlevel before starting the dm |
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| 19:04.56 | ajavid | not deb |
| 19:05.01 | ajavid | 0, 1-5-6 |
| 19:05.01 | bullgard4 | dmesg reports in 2 successive lines: "sr 0: 0: 1: 0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0; sr 0: 0: 1: 0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5." What does the 2nd line mean exactly? |
| 19:05.07 | ajavid | !run levels |
| 19:05.10 | ajavid | !runlevels |
| 19:05.10 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
| 19:05.14 | plb | xyan: the permissions all the way up to / look fine... the directory is sitting on an NFS share and none of the clients can write, but a user in the group can write if they are on the server |
| 19:05.20 | valan | yes i know what runlevels are |
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| 19:05.32 | ajavid | yes but you said yo udidn't know in debian |
| 19:05.42 | ajavid | unlike redhat etc. debian doesn't use runlevels for cli/gui |
| 19:05.48 | funcoland | I have a raid 5 array that is about 8 TB in size. How would you all go about configuring this array to be used? I already have debian setup on another logical drive. |
| 19:06.00 | valan | what i meant was that i didn't know if debian checks the runlevel before starting x |
| 19:06.06 | valan | debian can in fact use cli/gui runlevels |
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| 19:06.15 | plb | funcoland: depeands on if it is hw or sw RAID |
| 19:06.22 | ajavid | can? sure. default? no. |
| 19:06.29 | funcoland | plb: It's a hardware raid. |
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| 19:06.47 | mesa_booger | funcoland: i would reconfigure it to raid10. raid5 is a disgraceful mess |
| 19:06.59 | funcoland | this is for backups |
| 19:07.08 | funcoland | I don't need performance really just lots of space and redundancy |
| 19:07.17 | ajavid | I have 4 TB, of whichonly 3.5 is usable |
| 19:07.23 | plb | funcoland: if it is a true hardware raid, then Debian should detect the logical disk like any normal disk |
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| 19:07.41 | plb | funcoland: however, at that size you can't use msdos partition tables |
| 19:07.43 | ajavid | I'm begining to hate harddrive manufacturers... whats the big deal, can't they just make a drive the proper size? |
| 19:07.47 | funcoland | how would I know if debian detects it? |
| 19:07.55 | plb | funcoland: fdisk -l |
| 19:07.56 | ajavid | so you have actually a full 1024 usable GB? |
| 19:08.01 | ajavid | is that so much to ask? |
| 19:08.02 | funcoland | plb: that's right, i was going to use GPT before.. is that okay? |
| 19:08.10 | xyan | plb: uhm so did you set the export as rw? |
| 19:08.19 | valan | ajavid they often use GiB but incorrectly call it GB |
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| 19:08.40 | ajavid | of the 10 tb diff hdds i cam across |
| 19:08.41 | valan | they are stealing our money! |
| 19:08.47 | plb | xyan: yes, it works perfect as long as it is the file owner |
| 19:08.49 | ajavid | claimed to be 1tb each |
| 19:09.06 | ajavid | only had about 800~ish mb of useable stuff |
| 19:09.31 | ajavid | like higher 800s |
| 19:09.55 | enouf | valan: ajavid ok, then explain how when the DM fails to appear, i can do openbox-session or startx |
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| 19:09.58 | ajavid | it makes little sense to do that. Why can't we just have exactly th eproper size made and labled and advertised |
| 19:10.00 | enouf | valan: ajavid $ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:10.01 | enouf | /usr/bin/kdm |
| 19:10.02 | plb | funcoland: I've been using GPT on a 17TB RAID array I'm running... I've had some performance issues, but I think that is unreleated |
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| 19:10.13 | ajavid | enouf, whats the error message? |
| 19:10.16 | enouf | valan: ajavid http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m5312e810 |
| 19:10.22 | ajavid | enouf, have you fucked with kdmrc? |
| 19:10.26 | enouf | ajavid: i'm not restarting - i forget |
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| 19:10.32 | stickboy | Hello. Is anyone using a System76 laptop? |
| 19:10.37 | enouf | ajavid: i fuck with everything |
| 19:10.53 | ajavid | enouf, well good luck man, I hope it works out for ya |
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| 19:10.56 | abrotman | stickboy: a what? |
| 19:11.01 | funcoland | plb: when I issue a fdisk -l, it shows me my first logical drive that has debian.. However.. it gives me a warning saing "GPT detected on /dev/cciss/c0d1" "the Util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU parted." |
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| 19:11.25 | valan | openbox-session isn't a dm though |
| 19:11.27 | enouf | ajavid: i wasn't really looking for help, just ironing out some mnor disagreements :-P |
| 19:11.32 | ajavid | enouf, you can try to reset kdm to default debian settings via the config from the package |
| 19:11.37 | ajavid | oh |
| 19:11.41 | enouf | valan: as it should never try to be |
| 19:11.49 | ajavid | well nm then. I was wondering why you were asking abotu kde yo uhate kde |
| 19:11.51 | plb | funcoland: that is to be expected... but the /dev/cciss/c0d1 should be your RAID... and like it says you'll have to use parted to partition it... |
| 19:12.01 | stickboy | abrotman, http://system76.com/ Their drivers are ubuntu only but I've heard it's possible to get Debian working ok on them. Ubuntu has been giving me trouble lately and I'm thinking of switching. |
| 19:12.02 | valan | ok i thought maybe you were trying to use it as such or something |
| 19:12.05 | valan | my mistake then |
| 19:12.27 | ajavid | stickboy, where have we heard that before (the latter part) |
| 19:12.33 | ajavid | ;) |
| 19:12.35 | enouf | valan: no .. but i take your point about how Xserver should/has to be running for any DM, or any other GUI to appear |
| 19:12.53 | valan | but, iirc, you can put openbox-session into ~/.Xsession, then using the dm select "manual session" or something like that to get to your .Xsession |
| 19:12.58 | ajavid | stickboy, come back with debian installed (if you already don't) and we'll help you get it installed |
| 19:13.00 | enouf | valan: but just because the DM doesn't appear doesn't mean Xserver isn't running |
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| 19:13.06 | abrotman | stickboy: what's so special about the drivers? |
| 19:13.07 | stickboy | as a side issue, who is the ops here? Need to report one of the nicks in here. |
| 19:13.15 | funcoland | plb: I will boot the server into GNU parted, should the disk label be set as GPT? Since I found out that msdos won't work on sizes greater than 2TB. |
| 19:13.20 | ajavid | stickboy, if you're on ubuntu, asking before hand, then wait for someone who has experience, or simply install debian and give it a go |
| 19:13.32 | valan | enouf well there's incredibly little that could in the way of a working dm other than xorg.conf |
| 19:13.48 | abrotman | stickboy: which nick, and why? |
| 19:13.57 | ajavid | stickboy, use !ops reason to report but nevermind now |
| 19:13.58 | plb | funcoland: GPT is what you want, you shouldn't need to reboot into parted, you should be able just to use it now |
| 19:14.10 | valan | not exactly true, but incredibly little than anyone ever needs to worry about |
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| 19:14.29 | stickboy | ajavid i've been having severe fs corruption lately and i don't have time to mess around during the week, but i must have my laptop for school. so i've been doing e2fsck just about every other install to keep it on life support |
| 19:14.30 | ajavid | abrotman, Nofity Nofity(n=DaltonLa@85.107.33.163)] onjoin spam |
| 19:14.33 | funcoland | plb: Oh I meant i'm going to be using GNOME parted not regular parted since I don't know how to use parted. |
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| 19:14.40 | type64 | Anyone else getting this random message from Notify? |
| 19:14.49 | abrotman | not anymore! |
| 19:14.54 | ajavid | stickboy, ooh.. thats not godo |
| 19:15.05 | ajavid | stickboy, what is the reason for so much fs corruption? |
| 19:15.20 | stickboy | abrotman, Notify for the private message http://www.redacted.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:15.37 | stickboy | ajavid, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1170648&page=3 |
| 19:15.42 | funcoland | plb: Also, my parted version is 1.8.8 but it says that ext3 OR reiser isn't supported. That is also part of the reason I made a gparted livecd. |
| 19:15.42 | ajavid | ok |
| 19:15.49 | abrotman | stickboy: got it, (spam was enough, please dont' repeat the actual spam) |
| 19:15.55 | _saw | whan i try to run firefox 3.5 i get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Any ideas ? |
| 19:16.03 | valan | stickboy keep in mind that fscking an jacked up drive could in fact make it worse |
| 19:16.12 | stickboy | abrotman, ok, my bad. I did remove the link itself, to make sure no one actually clicked, heh. |
| 19:16.36 | plb | funcoland: well good luck with the partitioning |
| 19:16.48 | stickboy | valan, just about every other boot it says /home doesn't exist unless i run e2fsck from a livecd |
| 19:16.51 | ajavid | stickboy, oh boy, just... give up on ubuntu like the rest of the unlucky ones who got sucked into the ubuntu pizzaz |
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| 19:17.00 | \amethyst | stickboy: unfortunately the thing you changed it to opens a bunch of popups :) |
| 19:17.02 | valan | when a drive starts getting messed up, best to use it as little as possible until everything's backed up and you have a replacement, since using it more will only mess it up more |
| 19:17.09 | valan | eh that does indeed sound bad |
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| 19:17.37 | stickboy | \amethyst, o, oops. that was not good >.< |
| 19:17.47 | valan | wait a minute are we talking about ubuntu in here? |
| 19:17.59 | valan | i'm going afk, i'll be back in a few minutes and hopefully ubuntu is gone |
| 19:18.04 | stickboy | valan, only in the sense of complaining how much it sucks |
| 19:18.10 | ajavid | stickboy, also I think .28 kernel had bugs on ext4, which is what ubuntu uses, so if you have ext4, that is the culprit. You really ought to think about using debian |
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| 19:18.22 | stickboy | ajavid, using ext3 still |
| 19:18.36 | ajavid | well either way, fuck ubuntu |
| 19:18.45 | plb | lots of love in here today |
| 19:18.54 | ajavid | I love everybody :D |
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| 19:19.09 | plb | I love everybody but my fileserver |
| 19:19.13 | funcoland | plb: thank you |
| 19:19.21 | plb | funcoland: np |
| 19:20.42 | stickboy | ajavid, can use ext4 for ubuntu 9.04 but i stuck with ext3 thinking it would be more stable, but i've had other problems anyway, lol |
| 19:21.30 | ajavid | I was playing around and I ended up with a 2TB ext4 and I just put EVERYTHING on it and then realized I wanted stable and ext4 is like well.. not working on .26 anyway |
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| 19:21.43 | ajavid | ext4dev is readonly |
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| 19:22.12 | ajavid | then I was too lazy to retransfer, reformat, retransfre, I said fuck it, ext4 it is |
| 19:22.25 | plb | ajavid: I have a 6TB ext4 partition which is killing my system performance, but I can't really afford to format it :-( |
| 19:22.34 | stickboy | ajavid, well i guess i'll try a deb install tonight. recommendation on version? current I assume. |
| 19:23.09 | enouf | omg .. $ man openbox |
| 19:23.11 | enouf | openbox openbox-gnome-session openbox-kde-session openbox-session |
| 19:23.29 | ajavid | so I got debian stable installed, downloaded a bpo kernel, mounted that ext4 as home, build a .30 kernel, build vmware modules, built other stuff, xorg 7.4, python 2.6 (all convineintly debianized and packaged) and I've also fixed my xorg7.4/stable lock issue |
| 19:23.34 | enouf | coexistance comes at a cost :-P |
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| 19:23.45 | ajavid | damn X -configure, got some device driver options, asked in #radeon and bingo |
| 19:23.53 | ajavid | fully stable xorg 7.4 packaged for stable :D |
| 19:24.30 | enouf | ajavid: let's see you get fglrx working on that thing :-P |
| 19:24.32 | enouf | hides |
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| 19:24.41 | ajavid | hmm, I could try but I don't care for fglrx |
| 19:24.52 | ajavid | it is highly unstable as it is |
| 19:25.03 | ajavid | I trust open source software, at least I can see the fucking code. |
| 19:25.10 | enouf | !win ajavid |
| 19:25.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, ajavid! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:25.30 | ryanCH | i installed qtcurve on kde 4.2 using a package file .. but i looked in the window styles drop-down box .. and qtcurve is not there, what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:25.34 | ajavid | enouf, this is WHY I built xorg 7.4 on stable :) |
| 19:25.43 | enouf | ryanCH: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 19:25.45 | ajavid | enouf, I coudl have easily used fglrx on 7.3 |
| 19:26.07 | ajavid | enouf, you have any idea what I went through for xorg7.4 |
| 19:26.13 | enouf | ajavid: i realize that, but not with .30, iinm .. oh well, doesn't matter - twas just teasing |
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| 19:26.20 | enouf | ajavid: yes |
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| 19:26.21 | funcoland | plb: are you there? |
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| 19:26.25 | plb | funcoland: yes |
| 19:26.30 | ryanCH | enouf: what does that do? |
| 19:26.33 | n-iCe | any idea why is my sound just plays in one speaker? |
| 19:26.35 | n-iCe | is a laptop |
| 19:26.36 | n-iCe | lenny |
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| 19:27.03 | enouf | ryanCH: it tells the channel bot [dpkg] to send you a PM with some info |
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| 19:27.06 | funcoland | plb: I've started to format the partition (8.10 tb) using ext3, and I guess it's just me being paranoid but aren't the lights on the front of the server supposed to be flashing indicating something is happening? |
| 19:27.18 | n-iCe | solved |
| 19:27.24 | ajavid | enouf, I went through Heck I tell ya, Heck. |
| 19:27.25 | funcoland | When I feel it though I can feel there is activity (ie spindle is moving) so I guess it's just me being paranoid |
| 19:27.26 | enouf | balance |
| 19:27.44 | plb | funcoland: its hard to say without knowing anything about the hardware |
| 19:28.10 | ajavid | fglrx doesn't work on .30? wow, what a surprise there |
| 19:28.22 | funcoland | I'll just leave it overnight and see what happens. Thanks.. damn Gparted needs some sort of error log ! |
| 19:28.30 | enouf | doesn't ext3 have some default 2TB limit .. without using LVM i mean? |
| 19:28.41 | enouf | bah, it's DOS Partition limits |
| 19:28.47 | ajavid | dude... |
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| 19:28.53 | ajavid | do you realize what you jsut said? |
| 19:28.57 | ajavid | I could tease you for years to come :) |
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| 19:28.59 | funcoland | Yeah dos partition limit |
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| 19:31.50 | kW | Hello! How can I configure multiple IPv6 addresses for the same network interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:32.25 | linduxed | how do i know if i should modify smb.conf to use WINS settings from DHCP? |
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| 19:32.54 | thegrundle | is there anything bad about my sources.list? http://pastebin.com/m133f8ae6 Maybe im downloading incompatable stuff. |
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| 19:33.29 | enouf | kW: setup virtual ifaces? ex; eth0:0, eth0.1, eth0.2 etc ? (i forget if a : or a . is used) |
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| 19:34.01 | elux | what file system do you guys recommend to use? ext3? xfs? |
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| 19:34.36 | twobitsprite | how do I get oldschool rsh? the rsh I have points to ssh... |
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| 19:34.48 | enouf | elux: ext3 is the tested/tried and true one, but you also may want to use the mount options of noatime or relatime |
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| 19:34.59 | nooper | votes for ext3 |
| 19:35.05 | kW | enouf: In this case, I just get "Failed to bring up eth0:1" |
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| 19:35.48 | [ka]killer | what command can i use to see free disk space? |
| 19:36.06 | JPT | df -h |
| 19:36.38 | enouf | kW: ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.3 up (works here) |
| 19:37.12 | kW | enouf: well, it works for IPv4, but not for IPv6 |
| 19:37.40 | enouf | kW: does ipv6 work at all? is the module loaded? |
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| 19:37.56 | fredl | god, just reading the PHP / GD discussions.... |
| 19:37.56 | kW | enouf: sure, I can manually configure IPv6 network interfaces |
| 19:37.59 | enouf | kW: are you sure you're passing the correct syntax? strace it? |
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| 19:38.30 | fredl | what a load of crap.... |
| 19:38.50 | kW | strace says: |
| 19:38.52 | kW | [pid 3828] ioctl(4, SIOCGIFFLAGS, {ifr_name="eth0:1", ifr_flags=IFF_UP|IFF_BROADCAST|IFF_RUNNING|IFF_MULTICAST}) = 0 |
| 19:38.53 | kW | [pid 3828] ioctl(4, SIOCSIFFLAGS, 0x7fff3b5598b0) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address) |
| 19:39.00 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 19:39.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 19:39.26 | enouf | EADDRNOTAVAIL |
| 19:39.39 | kW | well, no more than 2 lines were pasted ;-) |
| 19:39.40 | enouf | show full command and output in a pastebin |
| 19:39.43 | enouf | i know |
| 19:39.51 | enouf | but there's missing info as well |
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| 19:40.59 | kW | enouf: I think the workaround " up ip addr add 2001:cafe:babe::dead:beef/64 dev eth0" worked... |
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| 19:41.28 | enouf | she was a good cow |
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| 19:42.48 | simonrvn | did the cafe babe ride the dead beef? :P |
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| 19:43.53 | [ka]killer | the hell? what is using 16gb o_o |
| 19:44.40 | [ka]killer | and why cant i get to sdb-sde |
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| 19:45.36 | boodie | Hi - I still have a problem with alsa - at boot, no sound is available; if I activate it with alsaconf, then it works; how can I avoid having to do it every time? |
| 19:45.55 | Mariusika | im looking for a way to concatenate .doc files in debian? any clues |
| 19:45.57 | Mariusika | thanks |
| 19:46.08 | funcoland | Oh I know this one |
| 19:46.26 | funcoland | there's a certain file that loads kernel modules on boot.... |
| 19:46.31 | [ka]killer | ... |
| 19:46.50 | funcoland | let me bing that for you |
| 19:46.51 | [ka]killer | why is ls -l only showing the size of the link and not including the contents of the folder? |
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| 19:47.45 | valan | because that's how ls -l works |
| 19:47.54 | valan | you can use du to get directory sizes |
| 19:47.54 | simonrvn | [ka]killer: append a / to the filename |
| 19:47.58 | funcoland | Mariusika: Try putting the name of the module in /etc/modules |
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| 19:48.33 | enouf | funcoland: er.. Mariusika isn't asking about kernel modules, AFAICT |
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| 19:48.58 | funcoland | oh I'm blind |
| 19:49.03 | funcoland | sorry.. Boodie |
| 19:49.15 | [ka]killer | im trying to figure out where im using 16gb.... |
| 19:49.24 | [ka]killer | and why i cant write to the other 4 drives... |
| 19:49.27 | enouf | Mariusika: only thing i know is i use antiword to view .doc files - maybe the OO.o suite has a tool |
| 19:49.45 | [ka]killer | i have sda - sde each is a 18.5gb scsi drive |
| 19:50.23 | Mariusika | funcoland: 1.doc + 2.doc + 3.doc = 1+2+3.doc |
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| 19:50.33 | enouf | find / -size +100M -type f -print |
| 19:51.16 | enouf | or even +1G if you like |
| 19:51.27 | [ka]killer | o_o |
| 19:51.28 | [ka]killer | found it |
| 19:51.34 | [ka]killer | messages.log for supybot |
| 19:51.38 | [ka]killer | 15G |
| 19:51.43 | enouf | you're probably seeing the default 5% reserved for root user on ext3 |
| 19:51.49 | enouf | ugh |
| 19:52.04 | [ka]killer | how the hell do you get a 15gb log file? |
| 19:52.09 | Mariusika | enouf: neat trick :) |
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| 19:52.15 | Mariusika | http://markmail.org/message/jhefd7jqgyxi5ovl |
| 19:52.28 | IR6186 | wenas |
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| 19:53.13 | [ka]killer | i really need that raid card.... |
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| 19:55.25 | gaintsura | is there a way to list installed applications, but not libraries? |
| 19:55.37 | gaintsura | and also maybe a way to find out when the app was last used |
| 19:55.48 | abrotman | !installed |
| 19:55.48 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 19:56.27 | gaintsura | the awk /^[hi] bit searches for hi ? |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | it searches for either h or i at the beginning of a line |
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| 19:57.53 | gaintsura | so then I'd need /^!['hi'] to find everything that doesn't start with 'hi' right? |
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| 19:58.19 | Iridos | no |
| 19:58.25 | simonrvn | no, !^ |
| 19:58.30 | Iridos | /^[^hi]/ |
| 19:58.48 | malchias | I could use some help with quotas. repquota isn't updating and files are locked after I've exceeded the hard limit. I used apropos quota to look for various tools, but don't know what I'm doing or how to test quota enforcement |
| 19:58.54 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:58.59 | Iridos | and where did those quotes come from |
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| 19:59.19 | malchias | I used dd to create files larger than the quota limit allows, but it allows me to keep on creating them |
| 19:59.33 | gaintsura | thanks guys |
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| 20:00.02 | Iridos | !quota |
| 20:00.02 | dpkg | [quota] a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
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| 20:00.44 | Iridos | also... quotas only work on ext2/ext3, methinks |
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| 20:01.14 | simonrvn | some fses have their own, some use external utils |
| 20:01.19 | Iridos | I couldn't use them on reiser... or it needed a patch or... can't remember |
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| 20:01.39 | gaintsura | ok, well that didn't list without the lib's but thats ok... is there a way to check when an app was last used? |
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| 20:04.08 | alan205 | hi im using ubuntu is anyone here using pure debian? |
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| 20:04.25 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 20:04.26 | bkraptor | where does the mouse properties dialog keep its settings? |
| 20:04.33 | valdyn | gaintsura: the atime |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | which dialog ? |
| 20:04.44 | valdyn | gaintsura: whats the point though? |
| 20:04.57 | gaintsura | valdyn: how can I put that to use with the package list |
| 20:05.03 | gaintsura | valdyn: to find out what I do and don't use |
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| 20:05.36 | alan205 | abrotmn: what do you like about debian that is different from ubuntu |
| 20:05.44 | valdyn | gaintsura: so why dont you ask from the start how to sort packages by usage |
| 20:05.53 | valdyn | gaintsura: i dont think theres such a tool doing this |
| 20:06.01 | gaintsura | uhm, because I didn't know that was a possibility |
| 20:06.08 | boodie | Hi - I still have a problem with alsa - at boot, no sound is available; if I activate it with alsaconf, then it works; how can I avoid having to do it every time? |
| 20:06.24 | valdyn | gaintsura: its also not that useful |
| 20:06.25 | gaintsura | alan205: I like debian over ubuntu because it doesn't pre-install a crap ton of things |
| 20:06.35 | valdyn | gaintsura: using something rarely is no indicator of how much you need it |
| 20:06.53 | gaintsura | valdyn: true, but I've got a pretty good idea of whats needed and whats not... |
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| 20:07.25 | gaintsura | but I just don't know what apps are installed that I don't use |
| 20:07.47 | valdyn | gaintsura: ls /usr/bin and read |
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| 20:07.56 | gaintsura | uh.. |
| 20:08.01 | gaintsura | theres gotta be a better way |
| 20:08.05 | alan205 | gaintsura: what does it install? |
| 20:08.15 | gaintsura | alan205: theres a long list.. |
| 20:08.27 | gaintsura | debian only installs core unless you say otherwise |
| 20:08.48 | alan205 | okay thanks! |
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| 20:09.00 | gaintsura | yep |
| 20:09.01 | malchias | http://www.linuxhacker.at/bugs/all/hoary-quotatool-and-xfs I'm getting the same error that is shown on the last line here. I'm using Lenny though. Any recommendations? |
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| 20:15.41 | quentusrex_ | Does anyone know if it is possible, on a vpn server, to setup iptables that would allow 'management' computers to access 'remote clients' but not allow clients to access anything? |
| 20:15.47 | gaintsura | oh... while I'm thinking about it... my Fn Keys and volume roller stopped working again... I had acpi=off apic=force on the kernel line, which had it working before, but it stopped again |
| 20:16.08 | quentusrex_ | such as have a subnet on the vpn for management, and allow all traffic from that subnet, |
| 20:16.08 | alan205 | Does anyone know if there is a debian only live cd outthrere somewhere? |
| 20:16.09 | gaintsura | quentusrex_: you should elaborate a little more |
| 20:16.18 | \amethyst | !debian-live |
| 20:16.19 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
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| 20:16.28 | quentusrex_ | but allow no incoming traffic from any of the remote client subnets? |
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| 20:16.37 | JyZyXEL | so i have a game that has a latency spike like once per minute |
| 20:16.41 | JyZyXEL | how do i find out whats causing it? |
| 20:16.51 | JyZyXEL | i think it might be some process |
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| 20:17.03 | \amethyst | iftop maybe |
| 20:17.04 | alan205 | thanks dpkg |
| 20:17.08 | JyZyXEL | yea but its so fast |
| 20:17.15 | JyZyXEL | im not gonna be able to spot it |
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| 20:17.31 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: packet capture with e.g. wireshark |
| 20:17.36 | JyZyXEL | no its not networking spike |
| 20:17.47 | quentusrex_ | any idea if it would be possible gaintsura? |
| 20:17.58 | Iridos | is there some tool like head/tail/split that will divide my textfile in two at the place where the value in the 1st column is >94? |
| 20:18.06 | malchias | JyZyXEL: do a watch with top or vmstats |
| 20:18.12 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: maybe sysprof, but you have to compile a kernel module |
| 20:18.21 | enouf | gaintsura: acpi=force and acpi=off conflict :-P |
| 20:18.51 | malchias | Iridos: awk should be able to though I don't know the syntax |
| 20:19.25 | alan205 | will instlling debian live onto a ubuntu system hurt the ubuntu install that is currently in use? |
| 20:19.42 | Iridos | what is "instlling debian live" |
| 20:19.43 | enouf | malchias: is /dev/mapper/vg0-testx mounted? |
| 20:19.52 | alan205 | sorry installing |
| 20:19.55 | \amethyst | alan205: debian live isn't an installer |
| 20:20.14 | gaintsura | enouf: O.o |
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| 20:20.19 | \amethyst | alan205: debian does not have a combined live CD/installer the way Ubuntu does |
| 20:20.20 | malchias | enouf: doesn't show up in mount, how would I see? |
| 20:20.21 | enouf | \amethyst: IINM, there's a way to make an installable version of it |
| 20:20.21 | Iridos | malchias, hm, yeah, I thought so... but probably that's all stupid anyway and I haven't asked myself the real question yet |
| 20:20.32 | \amethyst | enouf: using debootstrap? |
| 20:20.41 | Soccout | sry is there a german debian chan? |
| 20:20.46 | \amethyst | !de |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:20.49 | enouf | malchias: cat /proc/mounts ; df , etc |
| 20:20.57 | gaintsura | enouf: so which should I be using.... |
| 20:21.10 | gaintsura | quentusrex_: yes it would be possible |
| 20:21.15 | enouf | malchias: obviously your /dev/mapper/NAME would be different - you said SAME error though |
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| 20:21.32 | enouf | gaintsura: i don't know .. why would you need any? |
| 20:21.43 | gaintsura | enouf: because I get the MPD Bios Bug |
| 20:21.46 | gaintsura | without them |
| 20:21.46 | malchias | quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such process |
| 20:21.53 | enouf | \amethyst: no, IIRC, but i forget how |
| 20:21.59 | Iridos | alan205, I wasn't bitching about the typo... I was getting to what \amethyst said |
| 20:22.20 | malchias | it fails immediately and doesn't go 2 the 2nd line when I get that error |
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| 20:22.27 | alan205 | no problem |
| 20:22.38 | enouf | malchias: the line just prior says; quotatool: filesystem /testx has device node /dev/mapper/vg0-testx |
| 20:22.39 | gaintsura | quentusrex_: your question would probably be better answered in #iptables (if its active) |
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| 20:22.55 | alan205 | I was just trying to understand the live aspect of debian live |
| 20:23.13 | enouf | malchias: if the device node either doesn't exist or is otherwise not mounted, how would the process or file exist? |
| 20:23.48 | enouf | malchias: but .. perhaps you need a special module loaded, or a custom kernel to get quota options for XFS, no idea offhand |
| 20:24.08 | malchias | enouf: file system / has device node /dev/sda1, that is the line above the Error: |
| 20:25.01 | enouf | malchias: i presume it's mounted? as rw? .. is there any LVM or RAID or Crypt involved in your FSs? |
| 20:25.03 | jpinx | I want to do stty -F /dev/tty for the vt I bring up with Ctrl-Alt-F2 but how do I tell which number of tty it is? |
| 20:25.09 | aboyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.10 | malchias | RAID y es |
| 20:25.37 | malchias | aboyz: a live cd might help |
| 20:25.59 | aboyz | yes its raid |
| 20:26.04 | aboyz | a live cd can help me?? |
| 20:26.11 | elux | hey guys. im running lenny and id like to install the experimental package mysql 5.1 .. how can i do this? its not in the backports |
| 20:26.16 | malchias | boot on the live cd and repair your fstab |
| 20:26.51 | enouf | malchias: what type of raid? is it mounted? why not use /dev/mdX ? |
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| 20:27.27 | malchias | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.01 | malchias | not sure on type of raid, I'm way out of my league on this |
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| 20:28.48 | malchias | don't know how'd I'd use /dev/mdX. This is a cloud server virtual machine and I'm struggling to get it up so I can move my websites to it |
| 20:29.05 | Serraphyn | anyone know a good package to do project layouts? Like just keeping track of parts and maybe if possible progression(manually updated) |
| 20:29.38 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: you mean like a UML/flow diagram? |
| 20:29.45 | elux | why would mysql-server 5.1 be in an experimental branch? thats a little anal it seems |
| 20:29.59 | gaintsura | probably because its not stable yet |
| 20:30.11 | elux | ive been using it for months on freebsd and its been very stable for me |
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| 20:30.52 | Serraphyn | gaintsura, yeah I'm just doing a big project with a website and i'd like somethingmore then a text file, something with a nice gui would be sweet |
| 20:31.09 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: the best thing I could recommend is DIA |
| 20:31.24 | Serraphyn | Thats the name of it |
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| 20:31.26 | malchias | Serraphyn, it's not a debian package but I use wikidpad to store all notes on my projects |
| 20:31.30 | malchias | dia is like visio |
| 20:31.34 | gaintsura | yep |
| 20:31.35 | Serraphyn | I knew there was one just could remember the name |
| 20:31.58 | JyZyXEL | what was that tcp wrapper program to limit bandwidth |
| 20:32.10 | abrotman | tricle |
| 20:32.13 | abrotman | trickle |
| 20:32.18 | alan205 | using terminal I input "lh_config -b iso -a $ARCH" per the instructions on the debian wiki but I got this error "lh_config: option requires an argument -- 'a'" |
| 20:32.46 | enouf | JyZyXEL: maybe lastlog can help? |
| 20:32.47 | alan205 | any suggestions? |
| 20:32.49 | enouf | er |
| 20:32.57 | enouf | er jpinx not JyZyXEL |
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| 20:33.25 | enouf | jpinx: for ex; root tty2 Sat May 23 11:04:22 -0400 2009 |
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| 20:34.07 | enouf | malchias: then you're not using mdadm .. but ok |
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| 20:34.17 | Serraphyn | I'm going to attempt to build my own CMS for a website :) |
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| 20:34.30 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: woo fun |
| 20:34.45 | enouf | malchias: but that's ext3 FS, you reported XFS i thought |
| 20:34.47 | jpinx | enouf:? |
| 20:34.58 | malchias | sorry, no it's ext3 |
| 20:34.59 | enouf | jpinx: ? |
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| 20:35.12 | elux | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 20:35.12 | enouf | "quotatool and XFS" |
| 20:35.15 | Serraphyn | gaintsura, I think it will be, I already have a website using a database to control content, I think I just need to 'jazz' it up a bit and add the frills like logins :) |
| 20:35.28 | elux | im having trouble with this source: deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 20:35.29 | malchias | Serraphyn: I've built several, better to use something established and learn to use it well ! :) |
| 20:35.37 | elux | non-us.debian.org doesn't resolve to anything |
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| 20:35.57 | Serraphyn | malchias, I've used joomla and drupla enough, besides I don't want to copy someone elses work I want to learn how to do it on my own |
| 20:36.17 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: RE: joomla/etc stay away from them! |
| 20:36.26 | enouf | malchias: $ egrep 'QUOTA|XATTR' /boot/config-`uname -r` and figure out what's going on - don't show me, i'm not sure |
| 20:36.28 | Serraphyn | gaintsura, I am thats why I'm making my own :) |
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| 20:36.34 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: :D |
| 20:36.37 | jpinx | enouf: I am tyring to get stty -F /dev/tty2 rows 35 to wrok, but it's saying device not found. what am I missing? |
| 20:36.42 | enouf | malchias: er.. dmesg | grep -i selinux |
| 20:37.02 | enouf | jpinx: you asked about which TTY you're actually in/on |
| 20:37.19 | malchias | selinux is disabled |
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| 20:37.43 | alan205 | using terminal I input "lh_config -b iso -a $ARCH" per the instructions on the debian wiki but I got this error "lh_config: option requires an argument -- 'a'" any suggestions? |
| 20:37.45 | jpinx | enouf: tty tells me /dev/tty2 |
| 20:37.55 | enouf | jpinx: just use the vga=NNN boot option to alter resolution, or ... try using a FB, and maybe fbset |
| 20:38.17 | enouf | malchias: one down, ok ... hrm |
| 20:38.35 | jpinx | enouf: I'd rather not reboot - this is for a 2nd or 3rd tty |
| 20:39.06 | enouf | jpinx: i don't want you to reboot .. but ok |
| 20:39.12 | jpinx | enouf: what's an FB? |
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| 20:39.23 | malchias | gaintsura: why stay away from CMS es? |
| 20:39.24 | enouf | Framebuffer |
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| 20:39.30 | jpinx | ok |
| 20:39.36 | gaintsura | malchias: exploits |
| 20:39.38 | enouf | which vga=NNN will load the vesafb |
| 20:39.48 | malchias | mostly on shared hosting |
| 20:39.51 | gaintsura | no |
| 20:39.57 | gaintsura | hold, finding link |
| 20:40.05 | gaintsura | fail |
| 20:40.09 | gaintsura | astalavista is down still |
| 20:40.38 | gaintsura | a lot of CMS have tons of exploits, ranging from XSS to SQL Injection, Buffer Overload, etc |
| 20:40.40 | malchias | I like wordpress better than both of those, but it's a skill a lot of employers are looking for |
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| 20:42.18 | gaintsura | malchias: true, the company I just got back from an interview with made their own CMS |
| 20:42.25 | gaintsura | because of the security issues |
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| 20:43.17 | malchias | I doubt a company can do a better job, at best they just hide the flaws (my opinion) |
| 20:43.33 | malchias | less attack profile, etc |
| 20:43.49 | gaintsura | malchias: they've been in biz for 15 years, had their CMS for 10 |
| 20:44.11 | gaintsura | but I do see where you are coming from |
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| 20:45.58 | enouf | alan205: what is that? live helper? |
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| 20:46.46 | enouf | alan205: tried #debian-live? on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
| 20:47.23 | alan205 | ok thanks |
| 20:48.15 | jpinx | when I do Ctrl-Alt-F2 I get a login. Is that to a terminal or a virtual terminal, and how do I make it occupy the whole screen? |
| 20:49.24 | enouf | jpinx: play with your Monitor's OSD/OSM settings / wheels / buttons ? |
| 20:50.01 | gaintsura | enouf: how can I get my Fn and volume roller to work while getting rid of the MPD Bios bug? |
| 20:50.06 | enouf | jpinx: do you have a proprietary 3D driver installed for X? |
| 20:50.12 | jpinx | enouf: it's a laptop and therre's no buttons to twiddle:( |
| 20:50.20 | enouf | gaintsura: MPD? |
| 20:50.32 | enouf | jpinx: ugh ... |
| 20:51.26 | enouf | and wtf is a "volume roller"? something you use to roll doobies? |
| 20:51.37 | jpinx | enouf: what's the way t o mess with the vga settings without reboot then? |
| 20:52.07 | gaintsura | lol |
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| 20:52.27 | gaintsura | enouf: the little scroller bit external to the laptop allowing you to change the volume by 'rolling' the wheel |
| 20:52.37 | enouf | jpinx: you can't, afaik ... wait, dmesg | grep -i vesa | wc -l |
| 20:52.52 | jpinx | k -- moment |
| 20:53.13 | gaintsura | sorry.. not MPD... MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC |
| 20:53.29 | fujimitsu | thought it was a new feature of pulseaudio for a moment |
| 20:53.36 | jpinx | enouf: that outputs 0 |
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| 20:54.03 | enouf | jpinx: no go then |
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| 20:54.12 | enouf | jpinx: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 20:54.15 | sshc | how do I find which is a cdrom in /dev/? |
| 20:54.25 | enouf | (just in the off case you're using a diff FB) |
| 20:54.31 | sylar | hello |
| 20:54.34 | sylar | say... |
| 20:54.43 | enouf | sshc: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 20:54.46 | sylar | I have DNS entries all over the place |
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| 20:54.56 | enouf | sshc: and / or dmesg | grep ATAPI |
| 20:54.56 | sylar | and whenever my ISP change them... |
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| 20:55.05 | jpinx | enouf: root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 20:55.13 | enouf | jpinx: yeah, nothing there |
| 20:55.28 | fujimitsu | sylar: consolidate your question |
| 20:55.35 | jpinx | enouf: so not fixable? |
| 20:55.39 | pbn | Hi there I'm waiting for pidgin 2.5.7 in testing. Yesterday it said 2.5.7 wasn't old enough. Now when I look this page http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin ... it says pidgin is only 0 days old. It must be 2 days old to go in ... But it also says "Trying to update from 2.5.6 to 2.5.8" while yseterday it said "Trying to update from 2.5.6 to 2.5.7"... this is weird... where is 2.5.7 in testing ? |
| 20:55.51 | enouf | jpinx: no clue .. might be |
| 20:55.55 | sylar | is there a possibility to set DNSes in hosts file as mydns1 mydns2... and set /etc/resov.conf to that, and other files to that mydns1 etc' ? |
| 20:56.05 | jpinx | enouf: ok - thanks |
| 20:56.18 | pbn | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pidgin still says 2.5.6 |
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| 20:56.29 | enouf | jpinx: i wouldn't think so, without atleast rebooting with new vga= options, or any other specific FB options |
| 20:56.39 | jpinx | judd: versions pidgin |
| 20:56.40 | judd | jpinx: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny2 lenny-backports: 2.5.5-1.1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.5.6-1 sid: 2.5.7-1 |
| 20:57.05 | \amethyst | sylar: no, nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf must contain IP addresses, not hostnames |
| 20:57.11 | sshc | enouf: That is only reporting my first cdrom drive. How do I find my second cd-rw drive? |
| 20:57.29 | sylar | \amethyst, :( |
| 20:58.01 | jpinx | enouf: ok - what do I need to do to fix it with a reboot?g |
| 20:58.01 | Serraphyn | As I never been officially trained in any programing language, is it good habit to build error catching stuff first? I'm just interested if other do it that way also |
| 20:58.01 | alan205 | FYI there is no '#debian-live room' but i found the packages in synaptic |
| 20:58.01 | enouf | sshc: does your BIOS see it? jumpers are correct? |
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| 20:58.01 | \amethyst | sylar: why do you have DNS entries all over the place? |
| 20:58.01 | sshc | enouf: yes, and I've burned with it before |
| 20:58.01 | \amethyst | sylar: rather than just in resolv.conf ? |
| 20:58.02 | jpinx | pbn: ^^ |
| 20:58.08 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: that would be a question better answered on #programming or #<your language here> |
| 20:58.15 | sylar | \amethyst, because some confs want the dns too |
| 20:58.16 | enouf | sshc: is your CD-RW drive internal (SATA / PATA)? USB? |
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| 20:58.25 | \amethyst | sylar: like what? |
| 20:58.29 | pbn | jpinx: thanks... but are you sure the bot is right ? p.d.o says it's 2.5.8 for sid |
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| 20:58.33 | Serraphyn | oh sorry, thought programming was a common topic here also. |
| 20:58.35 | sylar | \amethyst, like apache james |
| 20:58.53 | jpinx | pbn: dunno sorry |
| 20:59.10 | gaintsura | Serraphyn: not so much :) |
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| 20:59.17 | sylar | isn't making it up |
| 20:59.18 | jpinx | pbn: do aptitude -s install pidgin and see |
| 20:59.18 | pbn | jpinx: ah thanks anyway |
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| 21:00.43 | gaintsura | harrr... I forgot the & after my logrotate command :( |
| 21:00.59 | enouf | apt-cache policy pidgin (shold also suffice) once an update is done |
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| 21:01.23 | \amethyst | sylar: oh, because Java doesn't have a way to issue an arbitrary query through the system NS |
| 21:01.27 | Qew | or rmadison pidgin |
| 21:01.47 | Iridos | pbn/ jpinx afaik judd is updated daily... the change happened a too short time ago |
| 21:01.48 | pbn | jpinx: nothing |
| 21:01.52 | enouf | or apt-show-versions pidgin ? |
| 21:01.53 | \amethyst | sylar: hm... you could write a script to update the james config from resolv.conf |
| 21:01.55 | zl2tod | an update would be a fine thing ... |
| 21:02.04 | \amethyst | sylar: then run that whenever resolv.conf gets updated |
| 21:02.07 | gaintsura | if I ctrl+z a running command, will it still continue to run in the background or does it really stop it? |
| 21:02.14 | gaintsura | I know fg will bring it back, but |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | suspends it AFAIK |
| 21:02.23 | gaintsura | fail |
| 21:02.27 | gaintsura | waits |
| 21:02.42 | abrotman | gaintsura: you can ctrl-z and then 'bg' to let it run ? |
| 21:02.43 | jpinx | pbn: I really don't know how up-to-date judd is, maybe abrotman knows? |
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| 21:02.50 | pbn | pidgin: |
| 21:02.56 | sylar | \amethyst, yes I could use incron for that |
| 21:03.00 | abrotman | jpinx: i'd guess once a day .. maybe a few times .. maybe after the mirror push? |
| 21:03.04 | abrotman | mirror pulse |
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| 21:03.13 | pbn | both installed and candidate are 2.5.6-1 |
| 21:03.18 | enouf | gaintsura: 'fg %N' where N is a number, if more than one job is running, 'jobs' will show you |
| 21:03.21 | jpinx | pbn: ^^ |
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| 21:03.50 | \amethyst | sylar: if you're using resolvconf to manage /etc/resolv.conf you could use a hook script |
| 21:03.57 | jpinx | pbn: are you struggling because of yahoo? |
| 21:03.58 | zl2tod | gaintsura, you can also end the command with an & to let the command run detached from the terminal |
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| 21:04.14 | pbn | jpinx: yes I am |
| 21:04.23 | sylar | \amethyst, i usually edit it with vim |
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| 21:04.47 | pbn | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pidgin still shows 2.5.6-1 |
| 21:05.06 | enouf | \amethyst: /etc/nsswitch.conf wouldn't help there i guess? ( sylar ) |
| 21:05.20 | jpinx | pbn: I have abandoned pidgin because of that and now use irssi and bitlbee |
| 21:05.21 | \amethyst | enouf: no, because James does the DNS queries itself |
| 21:05.34 | enouf | \amethyst: ok |
| 21:06.00 | jpinx | pbn: and for yahoo cam I use gyachi |
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| 21:06.05 | enouf | pbn: http://www.celticwolf.com/useful-information/faqs/26-pidgin-yahoo any help? |
| 21:06.06 | pbn | jpinx: ah :) well I like irssi too... but I like to have all accounts in a single GUI client |
| 21:06.26 | elux | which package will give me the standard dns utilities: host, dig, whois ? |
| 21:06.27 | alan205 | gedit is also good to edit with |
| 21:06.29 | jpinx | pbn: you might like ayttm ? |
| 21:06.35 | \amethyst | enouf: because it needs to look up MX records, and the nsswitch stuff only handles host-to-ip and ip-to-host queries (A/AAAA, CNAME, and PTR records) |
| 21:06.47 | gaintsura | zl2tod: yaeh, I forgot it though |
| 21:06.54 | sylar | enouf, I'll check it out |
| 21:06.56 | enouf | \amethyst: interesting - thanks |
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| 21:07.25 | enouf | sylar: as \amethyst was mentioning, /etc/nsswitch.conf won't help you |
| 21:07.46 | sylar | ah |
| 21:07.49 | sylar | ok |
| 21:07.54 | pbn | jpinx: maybe I'll try it... |
| 21:08.07 | pbn | jpinx: but pidgin is about to be fixed for that yahoo problem |
| 21:08.30 | fujimitsu | are you even running a server |
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| 21:08.56 | elux | im trying to install mysql 5.1 from experimental, ive tried to use pinning and add experimental to my sources and create the preferences apt file.. however when i try to install mysql, it shows that exim4 is a dependency .. why the hell is an MTA a dependency of mysql-server? |
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| 21:09.34 | elux | well it comes from mailx, etc. |
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| 21:09.44 | elux | ahh im going to turn off the apt recommends thing |
| 21:09.47 | elux | excellent |
| 21:10.03 | enouf | dependency != Recommends |
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| 21:10.10 | elux | yes i realize that now |
| 21:10.15 | elux | i come from freebsd where the ports make more sense |
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| 21:10.39 | E-bola | I just installed debian on an older laptop, in the installation it said i needed a non free firmware for my wireless intel centrino card, but since i did not have it availeble at the time and had ethernet connectivity i chose to not do anything. So now how do i get this firmware file and let debian know about it? |
| 21:10.48 | enouf | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 21:11.40 | enouf | E-bola: show us the card line output from lspci -nn |
| 21:11.53 | elux | enouf: pardon me? i dont have that file |
| 21:12.01 | jpinx | pbn: I found that pidgin munches disprportionate amounts of cpu and RAM, so I moved off it |
| 21:12.04 | enouf | elux: you create it |
| 21:12.14 | E-bola | ipw2200-bss.fw thats the file: 02:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05) |
| 21:12.32 | elux | the file, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends and inside put: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; ? |
| 21:12.42 | enouf | judd: pciid 8086:4220 |
| 21:12.43 | judd | enouf: [8086:4220] is 'PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ipw2200' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4220 |
| 21:12.54 | enouf | !ipw2200 |
| 21:12.54 | dpkg | ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net |
| 21:12.58 | enouf | E-bola: |
| 21:13.15 | E-bola | thank you |
| 21:13.28 | enouf | np |
| 21:13.45 | enouf | elux: yes |
| 21:13.48 | elux | thanks |
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| 21:14.32 | enouf | elux: you can number it however you like, or can use just /etc/apt/apt.conf if the .d/ dir doesn't exist |
| 21:14.38 | Qew | pbn: you could either do a mixed system with sid and testing (defaulting to testing), then pull in the required pidgin packages from Sid (pidgin, pidgin-data and libpurple0 are the minimum), which should be OK if min dependencies are met, or you could try backporting it via a sid deb-src (which will work, as it does with Lenny). For the latter, /msg dpkg ssb Or you could just wait a bit. |
| 21:14.44 | elux | enouf: cool. i got it |
| 21:16.38 | enouf | Qew: if he does decide to do the mixing of testing/unstable, i suggest he add a line APT::Default-Release "testing" to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 21:16.45 | Qew | yes |
| 21:16.54 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 21:17.19 | Qew | I should have been clearer |
| 21:17.34 | enouf | Qew: no, you were quite detailed |
| 21:17.41 | enouf | to much to write :-P |
| 21:17.46 | enouf | too even |
| 21:17.51 | Qew | heh, yeah... I'll use that excuse ;) |
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| 21:19.30 | pbn | Qew: thanks but I'd rather wait... I don't wanna mix sid and testing... |
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| 21:19.58 | Qew | ok, then you can backport, which will build 2.5.8 compiled against Testing. |
| 21:20.43 | Qew | it's fairly easy. Still, you probably won't have to wait too long |
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| 21:22.04 | enouf | pbn: why not? most things from sid migrate down to testing after some time |
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| 21:23.52 | enouf | pbn: it actually helps the maintainers to know if there are any major bugs that would prevent it from migrating .. if you care to perhaps report bugs |
| 21:23.59 | Qew | pbn: if you add the default-release line in apt.conf, as enouf suggested, then you won't be mixing unless you demand it. You're in control. The other way is to backport it yourself using a sid source, which will be compiled against your Testing system. No issues whatsoever that way, as long as build deps are met (they are with Lenny). /msg dpkg ssb will give you the details on how to do that. |
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| 21:24.39 | tds5016 | hello all. how do I see what packages I've installed with apt-get? |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | !why is pidgin not in testing |
| 21:24.45 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 21:24.50 | abrotman | !tell tds5016 about installed |
| 21:25.04 | abrotman | pbn: FWIW .. it's only 0 days old |
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| 21:26.06 | ser | anyone knows how to use `script` and avoid mess during vim invocation? |
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| 21:26.45 | ser | or knows any other session logger? |
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| 21:26.47 | ajavid | hey cool firefox 3.5 is out |
| 21:26.51 | karsten | ser: vim isn't a particularly good candidate for use with script. |
| 21:26.58 | Glanzmann | ?? nvidia |
| 21:26.58 | enouf | ajavid: what |
| 21:27.01 | ser | karsten: so what to use instead of? |
| 21:27.09 | karsten | ser: Your shell hisotyr will give you a pretty good log of what's going on with a session, though not outputs. |
| 21:27.14 | enouf | ajavid: what's so great about it over older / last version? |
| 21:27.17 | enouf | !sns |
| 21:27.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 21:27.28 | ser | karsten: script is perfect but this f.. vim :( |
| 21:27.41 | karsten | ser: IIRC script will log vim just fine, though the typescript file itself is going to have a bunch of cruft in it. |
| 21:28.11 | ser | karsten: yeah, but the mess is really big, and it is hard to edit it later |
| 21:28.13 | karsten | ser: One of the problems with vim is that it's interactive. If you're doing standardized edits to a file, sed, awk, or perl scripting or substitutions would be more appropriate. |
| 21:28.34 | mamalujo | enouf: i think it brings html5 support ie video w/o flash |
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| 21:29.16 | enouf | has no idea what html5 is, but ok ;-) |
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| 21:29.20 | karsten | ser: You can give yourself markers in the typescript session at the beginning and end of the vim session. Just have a line with "# BEGIN VIM" and "#END VIM" (comments via the '#' character) and search for those in the typescript file. |
| 21:29.27 | karsten | enouf: New HTMl standard. |
| 21:29.29 | enouf | uses Flashblock + Adblock + TabKit |
| 21:29.36 | ser | enouf: html5 is <video></video> ;-) |
| 21:29.43 | enouf | karsten: like web 2,0 ? |
| 21:29.46 | enouf | runs |
| 21:29.57 | ajavid | enouf, ff35 is hot. |
| 21:30.16 | karsten | enouf: HTML5 == web2.0 * 2.5 |
| 21:30.17 | ajavid | not to mention 20+ tabs and switching them is instant |
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| 21:30.23 | enouf | haha |
| 21:30.24 | Zambezi | enouf: Tried Tree Style Tab? I prefer it instead of Tabkit. |
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| 21:30.29 | ser | karsten: hmm interesting idea, let me think about it |
| 21:30.34 | ajavid | on 3.0 it took like fucking 2 seconds to switch tabs if you had more than 20 or 30 |
| 21:30.41 | Zambezi | ajavid: Tried 3.5 in Lenny? |
| 21:30.43 | enouf | Zambezi: tabkit allows for Tree style |
| 21:30.49 | ajavid | Zambezi, I am using stable |
| 21:30.51 | karsten | ser: IIRC screen also has a session logging capability. You might check into that. |
| 21:30.52 | enouf | i have it on my sidebar |
| 21:31.10 | ajavid | though you can't really call it stable, more than half my shit is brand spanking |
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| 21:31.18 | ser | karsten: wow, i did not remember about it, thanks - i am looking |
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| 21:31.37 | enouf | ajavid: ajavid> on 3.0 it took like fucking 2 seconds to switch tabs if you had more than 20 or 30 <== not on my p2 :-P |
| 21:31.48 | karsten | ser: I haven't used it and don't know if it handles vim any more sanely, but it's another option. |
| 21:31.49 | enouf | ajavid: you must be doing something wrong :-P |
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| 21:31.55 | ajavid | enouf, you run a calculator |
| 21:31.55 | karsten | ser: What exactly are you logging if I may ask? |
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| 21:32.00 | pbn | abrotman: well 2.5.8 is 0 days old, yes. But on that page yesterday it said 2.5.7 was 5 days olds |
| 21:32.02 | ajavid | enouf, add like 50 addons and we see where we go |
| 21:32.11 | enouf | ajavid: and it beats the shit out of your QuadCore crap |
| 21:32.14 | Zambezi | enouf: I know, but Tabkit felt odd, I like Tree style tab much better (the addon). |
| 21:32.17 | ajavid | enouf, rightnow, same amount of addons ormore, same amount of tabs or more, and still no lag |
| 21:32.30 | enouf | ajavid: there you go - you've bloated the shit out of it |
| 21:32.43 | ajavid | enouf, but if you argument is merely that firefox35 is not better than 30 then wtf, are you a moron? |
| 21:32.48 | enouf | Zambezi: i'll give a looksee as well - thanks |
| 21:33.14 | Zambezi | ajavid: Lenny = Stable. Did you have any trouble installing it? |
| 21:33.19 | ajavid | Zambezi, no |
| 21:33.21 | ser | karsten: an ordinary session with many config editing and output - i need it for my phd, to document what i did |
| 21:33.27 | enouf | ajavid: ermm ... do you really want me to start listing all the apps that of newer versions Sucked much more than older ones>? |
| 21:33.51 | ajavid | enouf, I give up |
| 21:34.01 | Zambezi | ajavid: Sounds good cause I'm almost ready to try. |
| 21:34.03 | enouf | ajavid: well done - you lose anyway :-) |
| 21:34.17 | karsten | ser: Gotchya. |
| 21:34.41 | ajavid | you're like this 80 year old guy who probably keeps javascript turned off too, you're the equivalen of a 80 year old dude sittin on the porch with a shotgun goin', damn kids, get off my grass! |
| 21:34.47 | ajavid | tsk tsk. |
| 21:35.03 | Zambezi | enouf: Tried Vimperator? That's also really nice if you're familiar with Vim. |
| 21:35.15 | enouf | ajavid: YOU for one should know that - with your "this kde4 sucks! .. I'm going back to 3.x ..." |
| 21:35.16 | karsten | ser: You can also play tricks with redirecting stdout / stderr, from an ordinary shell session, though you still end up with a file that's pretty ugly from a presentation standpoint. If you can script the stuff that you're doing and run the script with loggign redirected to files, so much the better. |
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| 21:35.36 | karsten | Zambezi: vigor FTW! |
| 21:35.38 | enouf | ajavid: javascript is on, Java is off |
| 21:35.43 | dustybin | http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono |
| 21:35.50 | dustybin | agrees with stallman |
| 21:35.53 | ajavid | enouf, I'm waiting for kde 4.5. I'm sure it will blow all else out the water, at this time it sucks. I didn't start using kde until 3.5 also, I was using xfce and gnome and box wms before that |
| 21:36.14 | ajavid | its a matter of maturity no thte platform sucking more |
| 21:36.20 | enouf | ajavid: no, i'm the 80 yr old man who goes over to those kids' houses and takes a dump on their lawn :-P |
| 21:36.41 | ajavid | sure kde4 is new, and yes it sucks only becasue of a lack of features, but its only becasue its still in development |
| 21:36.56 | ser | karsten: i was even thinking about video recording, but they do not accept it as a part of phd :( |
| 21:36.57 | ajavid | so your entire argument is moot, and emotinal at best, not logical. |
| 21:37.00 | ajavid | not in the least bit. |
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| 21:37.15 | enouf | ajavid: yeah, so that doesn't apply to anything else ... nice rationale |
| 21:37.26 | karsten | ser: suxor. There's actuall a few pretty good vid capture toosl for Linux now. |
| 21:37.30 | ajavid | enouf, unlike you I don't think in black and white. |
| 21:37.44 | enouf | ajavid: you lost a long time ago - i just like teasing you |
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| 21:37.53 | ser | karsten: they are always one step back ;-( |
| 21:38.03 | E-bola | How can i tell which version of ieee80211 the Network subsystem my debian has? |
| 21:38.06 | mrstocks | i have a stupid question... can i update a debian potato to a current version ? |
| 21:38.13 | E-bola | I'm trying tof igure out if its the newest (2007 it seems) |
| 21:38.17 | mrstocks | or should i reinstall |
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| 21:38.18 | enouf | !comfort ajavid |
| 21:38.19 | dpkg | There, there, ajavid. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:38.20 | ajavid | enouf, if anything you lost. |
| 21:38.24 | enouf | ;-) |
| 21:38.33 | ajavid | enouf, and you dont' even realize it |
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| 21:38.48 | mamalujo | enouf: so, it has alredy been concluded ff3.5 is bloated crap? I sure hope not, for if ff continues its suceer, it might drive away flash further into the periphery of internet, and i wish to see flash extinch. ajavid, new != better, jumping to that conclusion is no more reasonable than that old man... |
| 21:39.00 | mrstocks | no one fora potato update ? |
| 21:39.02 | ajavid | mamalujo, hes never used 3.5 |
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| 21:39.14 | ajavid | mamalujo, he has absolutely no experience and no grounds to stand on to make such statements |
| 21:39.26 | ajavid | mamalujo, I wouldn't listen to him. |
| 21:39.30 | mamalujo | hah, then wtf ;) |
| 21:39.37 | ajavid | exactly. Yet I'm the one who lost. |
| 21:39.39 | ajavid | :) |
| 21:40.10 | jelly-hme | ajavid: you always lose! |
| 21:40.14 | ajavid | i know |
| 21:40.19 | ajavid | :( |
| 21:40.26 | ajavid | gives jelly an o |
| 21:40.28 | jelly-hme | !comfort ajavid |
| 21:40.29 | dpkg | There, there, ajavid. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:40.41 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 21:40.43 | enouf | mamalujo: i never said anything about what ajavid purports i did - i _did_ mention how he doesn't know how to keep a semi-fast application unbloated |
| 21:40.47 | ajavid | don't mention it |
| 21:41.11 | ajavid | bloat = extra stuff you don't need. (firefox is minimal + addons you need) |
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| 21:41.19 | ajavid | wtf is you argument dude? you are no making much sense here |
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| 21:41.25 | enouf | mamalujo: and i can prove it - my p2 runs rings around his new shiny 1337 quadcore box |
| 21:41.31 | mamalujo | enouf: ah, then I misunderstood the discussion |
| 21:41.32 | ajavid | just go sit in a corner and go think for a fucking second. |
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| 21:42.06 | enouf | ajavid: you really need to quit .. while you're not ahead, and are about to be buried ;-) |
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| 21:42.24 | mamalujo | lolz |
| 21:42.27 | type64 | horray! time to try out the new kernel. |
| 21:42.33 | ajavid | the sign of a smart man is not wasting further time on an idiot. |
| 21:42.39 | ajavid | I stop. |
| 21:42.44 | type64 | i'll be back |
| 21:43.18 | enouf | gives ajavid the last word - thought i had done so before, but then, his last word was 4 paragraphs spread over 20 entries |
| 21:43.44 | ajavid | so you show your true colors then. |
| 21:43.57 | ajavid | when bested by actual technical talk, you resort to personal attacks |
| 21:44.02 | ajavid | you're fucking worthless dude |
| 21:44.03 | stew | ajavid: enouf: this doesn't seme to have anything to do with support, please take it elsewhere |
| 21:44.08 | ajavid | 04:38 Ignoring ALL from enouf |
| 21:44.12 | ajavid | stew, im done. |
| 21:44.30 | stew | ajavid: and we really don't care about the status of your /ignore list |
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| 21:44.55 | enouf | ajavid: stew just note; way up there, i was asked if |
| 21:45.04 | enouf | " are you a moron?" |
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| 21:46.55 | stew | enouf: I don't know what you are trying to tell me, if it is important, you can PM me, this still doesn't seem to have anything to do with debian end-user support |
| 21:46.56 | enouf | oh .. heh, i missed the 'idiot' comment as well - and i'm the one using ad hominems? :-P |
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| 21:47.05 | enouf | sorry - done |
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| 21:49.37 | jelly-home | enouf: you often do |
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| 21:51.08 | c0m1 | question: does a debian package contain information about what license the software is under? |
| 21:51.45 | c0m1 | and if so, how do I view that? |
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| 21:52.19 | ajavid | c0m1, yes |
| 21:52.20 | avu | c0m1, the information is installed by the package in /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright |
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| 21:53.16 | c0m1 | avu: but u actually have to install to find out? |
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| 21:54.16 | cr3 | is the format of debconf template files defined somewhere, other than in Debconf::Template? |
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| 21:54.36 | sshc | Can I use vim keys for a terminal emulator? |
| 21:54.50 | avu | c0m1, you can also extract it from the package without installing it of course. a .deb is just a regular ar archive containing (gzipped I think) tar archives |
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| 21:55.35 | c0m1 | avu: okay. I was just hoping there was a shortcut apt-cache command or something I had overlooked |
| 21:55.53 | avu | c0m1, I don't think so |
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| 21:56.04 | avu | c0m1, but, you know about the dfsg, right? |
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| 21:56.24 | mamalujo | c0m1, well you know if its a free licence or not simply by if its in main.. |
| 21:56.26 | avu | c0m1, it means that you can make huge assumptions about the licenses of any packages in main |
| 21:56.27 | c0m1 | avu: dfsg? |
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| 21:56.32 | avu | !dfsg |
| 21:56.33 | dpkg | it has been said that dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 21:56.41 | JyZyXEL | !unrar |
| 21:56.42 | dpkg | i guess unrar is a <non-free> package and utility to extract <RAR> 3.0 archives. For earlier archive versions, ask me about <unrar-free>. |
| 21:56.47 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 21:56.48 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 21:57.04 | JyZyXEL | unrar-free is useless |
| 21:57.10 | ajavid | AND a much more awesomer interface |
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| 21:57.13 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 21:57.20 | avu | c0m1, the dfsg contain very strict rules about what the licenses of packages in main are allowed to allow/forbid |
| 21:57.22 | enouf | c0m1: you might check out http://svn.debian.org/wsvn ... not sure you can see the licenses or copyrighted-ness or whatever -- hrm .. |
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| 21:57.49 | jleedev | cm01: dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb |tar x ./usr/share/doc/foo/copyright |
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| 21:58.48 | enouf | c0m1: plus, i don;t think it contains all packages .. probably not the non-free? dunno offhand |
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| 21:59.16 | enouf | i think dpkg -x can extract one file if needed, i'm not certain |
| 21:59.30 | eldowan | I'm trying to clone a 60GB external hdd to a 32GB flash drive, while keeping bootable information and all applicable data. The destination drive is large enough to support all data, but i don't know which tool to use that will work correctly going down in size, not up. Any recommends? |
| 21:59.36 | enouf | or .. -c lists the contents .. ISTR |
| 21:59.36 | ajavid | eldowan, ! |
| 21:59.51 | ajavid | eldowan, #debian-chat |
| 21:59.57 | ajavid | eldowan, pronto! |
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| 22:00.30 | c0m1 | jleedev: suprised no one has written a wrapper command for that |
| 22:00.51 | jleedev | just to extract one file? |
| 22:01.02 | enouf | eldowan: setup the flash drive and use a FS level copying tool, such as perhaps rsync. or .. oh wait - use dd, or cp, but make sure neither device/partitions are mounted - or are ro only if they are |
| 22:01.20 | c0m1 | I wonder if the description is supposed to contain licensing information. |
| 22:01.27 | c0m1 | but nobody puts it in? |
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| 22:01.53 | c0m1 | just curious, cause I know RPMs have a license field for getting quick info on the license |
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| 22:02.03 | enouf | eldowan: setup the flash means; partition it and mkfs .. the partition table layout will be diff - so i suppose you don't want dd, or if you do, omit bytes 440-512 |
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| 22:02.26 | mamalujo | c0m1, If I might ask, why exactly is it needed to inspect the licences package by package? |
| 22:02.36 | eldowan | enouf: It was my understanding that using dd or cp would fail on copy during the second partition, it would try to write past the end of the flash disk. |
| 22:02.44 | stew | c0m1: we link to the copyright file on http://packages.debian.org/packagename . there is no way to fit all of that information into a single field |
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| 22:03.28 | stew | c0m1: (perhaps the info could fit into a single field for some packages, but most are not simply licensed. many (most?) contain software under multiple licenses |
| 22:03.29 | c0m1 | mamalujo: sometimes I'm curious, and don't want to look it up on the internet. Especially as a developer |
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| 22:03.45 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps let me throw this out there and see if I understand it. |
| 22:03.51 | mamalujo | c0m1: ah, I see |
| 22:03.56 | stew | c0m1: if the package is installed, it is always in /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright |
| 22:04.01 | enouf | eldowan: what you could do, is setup the flash, use sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.table.FLASH-drive - then do your dd over, the restore the orig partition layout usind sfdisk [-d] /dev/sda < partition.table... man sfdisk |
| 22:04.03 | c0m1 | even if a package is in main repo, that doesn't tell u if it is BSD or GPL, e.g |
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| 22:04.21 | bbelt16ag | according to raid 5 on wikipedia.com the formula is n-1 with n being the # of disks. so this means my higest sized disk I would lose? |
| 22:04.22 | stew | c0m1: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright tells you |
| 22:04.32 | eldowan | enouf: you are just full of neat information. I bet you could rival the bot. |
| 22:04.34 | enouf | eldowan: or just resort to rsync - that works nicely |
| 22:04.48 | enouf | eldowan: no, i learn from the bot - i'm becoming one :-p |
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| 22:04.58 | c0m1 | stew: thanks. It would be kind of cool to check without installing, just by looking at the deb file |
| 22:05.02 | stew | bbelt16ag: its ((n-1) * size) where "size" is the size of the smallest disk |
| 22:05.16 | eldowan | enouf: rsync would transfer the bootable magic from source to dest? |
| 22:05.18 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 22:05.23 | bbelt16ag | thought is was largest |
| 22:05.24 | c0m1 | like aptitude show license packagename |
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| 22:05.31 | bbelt16ag | do they all gotta be the same size? |
| 22:05.43 | enouf | eldowan: likely no, but you can certainly use dd for specific blocks/sectors |
| 22:05.57 | c0m1 | well, guess that answers my question |
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| 22:06.11 | stew | c0m1: that would make the Packages.gz files on the mirrors (which is already huge) way to big |
| 22:06.24 | bbelt16ag | that makes more sense |
| 22:06.40 | eldowan | enouf: hrm... and that would likely be the ones to omit from before.. 440-512? |
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| 22:06.51 | c0m1 | stew: how do those RPM guys do it? They just type "yum info packagename" and it tells them the license |
| 22:06.52 | enouf | eldowan: IOW, i would use dd for the 1st 64 sectors count=64 which will grab all from beginning of disk through 1st partition boot sector - then just use sfdisk to restore the table |
| 22:07.05 | c0m1 | that would be kind of cool |
| 22:07.06 | enouf | eldowan: sfdisk will overwrite that |
| 22:07.14 | stew | c0m1: i'll bet they are being very incomplete about the licensing |
| 22:07.14 | enouf | eldowan: so no need to omit it |
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| 22:07.41 | stew | c0m1: can you give me an example of the output of yum? |
| 22:07.47 | enouf | eldowan: cat the partition.table.FLASh file it's text |
| 22:07.55 | enouf | eldowan: you'll see |
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| 22:08.28 | c0m1 | stew: yes: for mysql-server package, it says (along with the other info): |
| 22:08.31 | c0m1 | License : GPLv2 with exceptions |
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| 22:08.39 | enouf | eldowan: so partition the flash as needed - make SURE (the partition.table.FLASH file) it's somewhere easily accessible |
| 22:08.51 | c0m1 | that's on a Fedora box |
| 22:08.56 | bbelt16ag | cool 1.5tb |
| 22:09.10 | c0m1 | I don't use Fedora, but they use it at work |
| 22:09.12 | stew | c0m1: right, so its very incomplete |
| 22:09.39 | c0m1 | stew: well, it be cool if you could have a summary line /and/ a complete license file after installation |
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| 22:09.43 | c0m1 | *would be |
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| 22:09.58 | mamalujo | hm, I think stew was presuming putting the entire licence text there.. |
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| 22:10.21 | stew | c0m1: what do we put for packages that have a dozen different licenses? |
| 22:10.23 | c0m1 | mamalujo: yeah, that would work of course |
| 22:10.24 | jelly-home | stew: incomplete but useful if visible via an apt-cache search equivalent |
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| 22:10.50 | stew | jelly-home: i agree that to some extent this is useful |
| 22:11.03 | c0m1 | stew: you could just put "GPL plus a dozen license exceptions". It wouldn't be complete but at least it would give me a heads up |
| 22:11.23 | c0m1 | or say "duodecim-licensed" |
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| 22:11.28 | stew | c0m1: i don't mean a dozen exceptions. i mean a piece of software with a dozen different licenses |
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| 22:11.49 | stew | c0m1: like file a is license A, file b is licence B, file c is licence C... |
| 22:11.54 | eldowan | enouf: sfdisk wouldn't mess with the boot loader, or should I dd after the sfdisk > dest? |
| 22:11.57 | c0m1 | or say "liceensed under twelve different licenses" |
| 22:12.36 | mamalujo | uf, either is a mess.. |
| 22:12.37 | dserban | what's the latest and greatest way to tell the kernel to load my console in a specific video mode? |
| 22:12.40 | enouf | eldowan: sfdisk with the -d option won;t mess with the boot loader, only the partition table layout (Bytes 446-510) |
| 22:12.49 | dserban | is it still vga=??? |
| 22:12.58 | stew | c0m1: ok, for this to happen, we'd need to change debian policy to require this information to be provided. are you familiar with the proposed copyright file change? it would have to be part of that change |
| 22:13.16 | stew | c0m1: (the proposed change to move to a machine parseable copyright file) |
| 22:13.28 | enouf | eldowan: bytes 511 and 512 are the bootable flag 55AA magic, Bytes 440-446 are for VolumeID and other sordid info |
| 22:13.53 | stew | c0m1: have a look at DEP 5 |
| 22:13.55 | c0m1 | stew: not familiar with that, sorry. I had trouble even trying to wrap my own deb file. :] |
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| 22:14.08 | stew | c0m1: hang on, i'll get you a link |
| 22:14.19 | stew | c0m1: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ |
| 22:14.19 | enouf | eldowan: i hope your Flash uses the standard Start sector of 63 for 1st partition :-) careful, i think i've seen some that use others |
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| 22:14.30 | eldowan | enouf: great! and unless I royally screw something up, this *should* work without much issue. Thanks for the great support. Hopefully I won't have any oh shit! questions. |
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| 22:14.51 | eldowan | enouf: I've got the flash inserted, but not mounted. How would I check to make sure of the sector 63 issue? |
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| 22:15.03 | enouf | eldowan: the 1st partition start sector is also the 1st Cylinder start, however the Cylinder size that follows is generally 8MiB |
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| 22:15.15 | bbelt16ag | that don't leave me much room |
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| 22:15.29 | vizzy | any got the latest nvidia properitary driver 185 compiled in new etch kernel? even CC=.../gcc-4.1 doesnt help a lot. |
| 22:15.32 | enouf | eldowan: rather than the 32256k that the 1st 512 * 63 make up |
| 22:15.54 | eldowan | enouf: starts at 63, one partition for the whole drive. /dev/sdc1 : start= 63, size= 62481825, Id= b, bootable |
| 22:16.00 | eldowan | I should be good to start, correct? |
| 22:16.01 | c0m1 | stew: Looks cool. I'd be happy with that, if it would make it possible to check license before installation |
| 22:16.01 | enouf | eldowan: partition it - then look using fdisk -l and fdisk -lu |
| 22:16.08 | stew | c0m1: it doens't |
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| 22:16.16 | vizzy | next question: my boot devices change on every reboot form sda to sdg or sdk, just randomly, why? and how to fix? this isnt funny. |
| 22:16.19 | c0m1 | oh |
| 22:16.21 | enouf | eldowan: the -l will show 1, -lu will show 63, IIRC |
| 22:16.21 | mamalujo | (One thing I noticed watching videis of debconfs - passion and enthusiasm flairs up when ppl start discussing package management features ;0 )) |
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| 22:16.35 | c0m1 | guess I'm back where I started then |
| 22:16.38 | enouf | eldowan: looks good |
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| 22:16.51 | stew | c0m1: if you want us to have that information available in the Packages.gz file, we'd have to get this license summary from debian/copyright or debian/control somehow. I'm proposing that debian/copyright is the right place |
| 22:16.59 | vizzy | next question: when does ardour gtk come back to debian? there is no paclage, while ipgrading it was simply deleted! so no more music produktion is possible... why? i know software thats much more buggy! |
| 22:17.07 | eldowan | enouf: great, partition the two partitions that I'll need, use rsync from <source>1 to <dest>1, then from 2 to 2, then dd the first few sectors. Then sfdisk to finish things up? |
| 22:17.34 | stew | c0m1: and since there is already a movement to make that copyright file machine readable (which would be required for what you are asking), ammending that proposal would probably be the easiest way to get what you want |
| 22:17.51 | stew | c0m1: the other option would be to propose it be part of the control file |
| 22:17.52 | enouf | eldowan: spounds like a plan ;-) HAVE BACKUPS prior ;-) |
| 22:17.58 | c0m1 | stew: ur going a little bit over my head (I'm no debian developer) |
| 22:18.22 | eldowan | enouf: thats the unfortunate part, I don't think I have a place to backup the source before I start. |
| 22:18.38 | c0m1 | once they fiqure it out, I just need to know what the new apt-cache option is. :] |
| 22:18.38 | stew | c0m1: i am, in fact, if what you were proposing were to be done, i'd likely be the one that implements it |
| 22:18.47 | enouf | eldowan: sfdisk -d /dev/sdc > partition.table... somewhere safe 1st - heck do the same for the other disk too |
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| 22:18.59 | stew | c0m1: so I'm telling you what I'd need to have happen before I'd be in a position to implement that |
| 22:19.14 | enouf | eldowan: put it on a floppy :-P |
| 22:19.17 | eldowan | enouf: Is it unusual that the source drive, sfdisk shows the first partition to start at 2048? |
| 22:19.28 | enouf | eldowan: pastebin please |
| 22:19.46 | enouf | eldowan: and tell me which drive is which |
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| 22:20.50 | VK-kasoperro | Tomalaaaaa http://my-bikini-game.com/?id=4292320 pa fliparlo! |
| 22:20.54 | c0m1 | stew: to vote and such, one needs to become a member of the society behind Debian, right? |
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| 22:21.15 | stew | c0m1: yes, but we are very far away from a vote on this |
| 22:21.32 | stew | c0m1: and there is nothing to vote on yet. |
| 22:21.48 | eldowan | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1480084 |
| 22:21.56 | enouf | ok |
| 22:22.19 | stew | c0m1: eventually perhaps we'd vote on the DEP 5, you can suggest changes to it |
| 22:22.46 | c0m1 | stew: oh. okay. I should probably fiqure out how to become a member or something |
| 22:23.04 | c0m1 | so I keep up on that sort of thing |
| 22:23.16 | enouf | eldowan: yes, ODD! .. looks like something MS would do! |
| 22:24.42 | eldowan | enouf: it is a corporate imager, holds the images to the different installs. second partition is apps and drivers. Could I just dd from 0 to 31586304, and then just add a second partition? |
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| 22:24.59 | enouf | eldowan: so now .. my advice is to forget the dd and sfdisk, just setup sdd as you have and use a FS level tool - tar / rsync over the data - then install a bootloader (grub) onto sdd |
| 22:25.39 | enouf | eldowan: if you do that, not sure the Flash drive will like having the start at 2048 |
| 22:26.11 | eldowan | enouf: is there a way to tell? I've nothing on the Flash now. |
| 22:26.45 | enouf | eldowan: i've not any experience with that :-/ ... might ask ##windows ? |
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| 22:27.52 | enouf | eldowan: you should only be concerned about the data on the partitions, let the bootloader figure it all out - BTW how were you booting sdc that has NTFS? |
| 22:28.04 | eldowan | enouf: I've never had a problem with grub, and if it works I won't mind as I'll be using the drive anyway. |
| 22:28.22 | eldowan | enouf: sdc1 is fat, sdc2 is ntfs |
| 22:28.44 | enouf | ugh - i see now 0C W95 FAT32 (LBA |
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| 22:30.49 | eldowan | enouf: why would tar or rsync be a better choice than cp? Also, won't grub need something like /boot to get the info from? |
| 22:30.50 | enouf | eldowan: i have no idea why your External WD USB drive is setup that way - maybe to make room for it's tools/diags/whatever - however here's a possible reason; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923332 |
| 22:31.18 | enouf | eldowan: /boot can be a dir/ on your / partition |
| 22:31.26 | enouf | unless you're using LVM or something odd |
| 22:31.34 | Bravewolf | I've never received an update on debian.devel.announce, too.... Is there a way to verify it? (if squeeze has now the security support) |
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| 22:32.17 | enouf | !security |
| 22:32.17 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 22:32.19 | eldowan | enouf: this drive will be the only drive in use when it will be used to image the machine. I'm just unsure of how installing grub will work. Will there need to be a dir on the first partition of the Flash, the fat32? |
| 22:32.36 | enouf | !testing security |
| 22:32.37 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 22:33.02 | SparFux | Hi! To circumvent the problems with ia32-* I could perhaps put all these packages on hold and that's it :-) |
| 22:33.06 | enouf | eldowan: no, i |
| 22:33.42 | enouf | eldowan: no, i've had HDDs with vfat on hdc1, hdc2 ... and Linux w/Grub on hdc3 say |
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| 22:34.43 | enouf | eldowan: and as a matter of fact, if you wanted to keep using vfat, i suggest you leave/make it the 1st disk partition ... well .. then there's NTFS .. sheesh - get RID of these friggin FSs!!!! |
| 22:35.51 | eldowan | enouf: I don't think the ntfs is needed. possible to only use vfat. |
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| 22:36.23 | enouf | eldowan: did you run mkfs on sdd yet? if so which FSType .. BAHHHH you made it --> 0B W95 FAT32 |
| 22:36.26 | enouf | UGH! |
| 22:36.31 | enouf | go ask ##windows |
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| 22:36.55 | enouf | why are you even bothering using Linux tools at all? |
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| 22:37.20 | eldowan | enouf: I don't have any other. Acronis won't see the flash drive to image to. |
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| 22:37.35 | enouf | After all, for any NTFS fsck you NEED something from MS, like ot |
| 22:37.43 | enouf | it's chkdsk tool |
| 22:37.47 | pipeline | bike^: pretty sure x-fi is almost totally unsupported |
| 22:37.52 | bike^ | ugh |
| 22:37.55 | bike^ | shait |
| 22:38.15 | pipeline | bike^: emu10k1 is sound blaster live / sb512. 10k2 is audigy. I think x-fi is 20k2. |
| 22:38.24 | enouf | eldowan: is that flash drive - or the external a u3 device? omg .. if it is |
| 22:38.28 | enouf | !u3 |
| 22:38.28 | dpkg | i guess u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some ... |
| 22:38.33 | eldowan | enouf: oh I've got a few windows machines and such. I was hoping there would be an easy way to image it over, and just shrink the second partition. |
| 22:38.34 | pipeline | bike^: there is some very limited support in 4front OSS, but it doesn't work for all cards, and it doesn't work well. |
| 22:38.37 | bike^ | got a card here a few weeks ago, considering ramming it in there with the audigy, then i went to mr kernel to look for the module, nada :S |
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| 22:38.43 | bike^ | i use alsa so |
| 22:38.43 | eldowan | enouf: no U3! ick! |
| 22:38.46 | bike^ | snd_emu1k1 |
| 22:39.02 | pipeline | bike^: the x-fi series isn't even really that good a card. |
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| 22:39.09 | pipeline | bike^: lots of better cards out there for less money :X |
| 22:39.14 | enouf | eldowan: i told you all i can ... hope it works out for ya |
| 22:39.23 | bike^ | oh, i got it for free so |
| 22:39.23 | Nash_13 | help |
| 22:39.32 | enouf | m-audio is a nice small step up |
| 22:39.32 | bike^ | im good with the audigy anyway |
| 22:39.36 | bike^ | indeed |
| 22:39.42 | eldowan | enouf: sincerely, thanks for all the help you've provided. above and beyond. |
| 22:39.47 | Nash_13 | somebody can help me with my joomla installation |
| 22:39.48 | bike^ | works out of the box in most cases too i hear |
| 22:39.58 | Nash_13 | joomla can not write the php.ini |
| 22:40.16 | enouf | eldowan: np ;-) |
| 22:40.20 | comradekingu | bike^ the x-fi way of mixing 7ch into stereo is proprietary, so maybe the alsa-firmware package can help, but i think its not supported |
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| 22:41.37 | bike^ | hm i see, i dont have surround so thats no issue |
| 22:41.51 | bike^ | i see some beta driver from 2008 out there |
| 22:42.03 | bike^ | oh heck, i'll ram it in a pci slot and see what happens |
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| 22:42.09 | stickboy | if i want to use 32bit on a 64bit processor for debian stable do i use the i386 link? thanks |
| 22:42.17 | enouf | pipeline: would you have any idea why on my 00:10.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) (uses alsa snd_emu10k1) that none of the controls in alsamixer work at all? erm .. maybe one 3D one does |
| 22:42.25 | Hraka | Has anyone here ever encountered the following problem: on a Lenny laptop, the boot processs goes fine until the gdm is started, at which point one sees the little hourglass make something like half a turn and then the screen goes black. The only keys that produce any effect so far are ctrl+alt+backspace, which reboots the machine. |
| 22:42.26 | comradekingu | bike^ Check out Native Instruments - Audio Kontrol 1 |
| 22:42.33 | enouf | pipeline: the Master volume certainly does not |
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| 22:42.55 | Hraka | Alt+F? to drop to a shell do not work either. |
| 22:42.58 | enouf | pipeline: i;m on sid - but a few months old now |
| 22:43.15 | bike^ | heard of those, not really that into audio, but i do have a c64 with a prophet64(and midi) and an amiga with midi, but no stinking midi on my pc ;) |
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| 22:43.34 | enouf | pipeline: as you know alsaconf is gone ... :-/ (not that it would help) |
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| 22:43.49 | bike^ | and shit out of room for all my stuff anyway so that might be just as well |
| 22:43.49 | gauge | say, could someone point me to a PPC-netinst CD? |
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| 22:44.02 | bike^ | comradekingu, pipeline, thanks ;) |
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| 22:44.08 | eldowan | I recently updated to lenny, and now my numlock key works in reverse. if the lock key is lit, the numbers don't work. Occaisionally it will work correctly. Tested with ps2 and usb keyboards. What gives? |
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| 22:44.41 | gauge | whats considered bleadign edge for debian atm? |
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| 22:45.17 | enouf | eldowan: if kde is installed, there's something in the k control center for that specific thing |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | unstable, not for regular people |
| 22:45.41 | eldowan | enouf: see, like I said, just full of knowledge. I'll check kcontrol. |
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| 22:45.48 | enouf | eldowan: for me, no matter what i do, whenever i switch to/from Console, Numlock statuse always goes to off |
| 22:46.24 | enouf | eldowan: look at what your BIOS setting is for that too 0- Always On? Leave Alone? Always off? toggle it |
| 22:46.31 | eldowan | enouf: Actually, I think thats how I got it to work. went to console, then back. |
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| 22:47.04 | CyberBird | hi |
| 22:47.08 | Hraka | gauge: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ? Or, if you are really lazy, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-502-powerpc-netinst.iso . |
| 22:48.28 | stickboy | if i want to use 32bit on a 64bit processor for debian stable do i use the i386 link? thanks |
| 22:48.40 | CyberBird | my laptop has no wi-fi on debian 5.0 lenny (intel centrino). why? |
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| 22:50.11 | enouf | CyberBird: lspci -nn and show us your wifi card line only |
| 22:50.13 | mooperd | Hi, is there any way to get information about unmounted volumes? |
| 22:50.27 | enouf | mooperd: yes |
| 22:50.36 | enouf | what info do you want? |
| 22:50.56 | enouf | stickboy: yes |
| 22:51.55 | pipeline | enouf: beats me. Tried the 4front oss drivers ? |
| 22:52.06 | mooperd | enouf: amount of blocks really, but all I can get |
| 22:52.14 | enouf | pipeline: no, i haven't ... suppose i might then |
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| 22:52.39 | enouf | mooperd: cat /proc/partitions ; fdisk -l ; many others |
| 22:52.47 | enouf | even file -s /dev/sdXX |
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| 22:53.59 | enouf | mooperd: lshal ; parted ; hdparm and/or dmesg (for full disk size/space) |
| 22:54.15 | mooperd | thanks man |
| 22:54.25 | CyberBird | http://pastebin.ca/1480127 |
| 22:54.27 | enouf | mooperd: /msg dpkg what's my hardware :0 |
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| 22:55.14 | enouf | !iwl3945 |
| 22:55.14 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:55.19 | enouf | CyberBird: ^^^^^ |
| 22:55.24 | stickboy | ty enouf |
| 22:55.52 | enouf | judd: pciid 8086:4222 |
| 22:55.54 | judd | enouf: [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl3945' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4222 |
| 22:55.59 | enouf | yep |
| 22:56.54 | CyberBird | ok, what i do? |
| 22:56.56 | CyberBird | :) |
| 22:57.01 | adb | CyberBird: firmware are installed ? |
| 22:57.22 | CyberBird | firmware on what? |
| 22:57.34 | adb | for iwl3945 |
| 22:58.13 | CyberBird | wait |
| 22:58.22 | adb | dpkg: tell CyberBird about firmware |
| 22:58.23 | CyberBird | it has to do with my router? |
| 22:58.50 | adb | no , reads up |
| 22:59.11 | enouf | CyberBird: /msg dpkg sources.list (add the 'contrib non-free' sections) /msg dpkg non-free ; /msg dpkg contrib ... follow what the bot told you then |
| 22:59.34 | adb | dpkg: tell CyberBird about selftell |
| 22:59.36 | enouf | CyberBird: as root "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 22:59.42 | enouf | CyberBird: "modprobe iwl3945" |
| 22:59.45 | CyberBird | ok |
| 23:00.09 | enouf | CyberBird: then /msg dpkg wifi howto |
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| 23:01.17 | Hraka | Saaaaay... Debian's xorg.conf is usually in /etc/X11, right? Or does debian use the filename xorgconf.debian? |
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| 23:01.47 | enouf | former |
| 23:02.25 | Hraka | Right... then I somehow do not have an xorg.conf, and I am quite certain that I did not remove one. |
| 23:02.32 | CyberBird | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 23:02.41 | CyberBird | the console says |
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| 23:03.02 | adb | apt-cache search firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 23:03.15 | MBD123 | How did Debian get its name? |
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| 23:03.35 | enouf | debbie + ian == debian |
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| 23:03.46 | MBD123 | Seems simple enough |
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| 23:03.57 | enouf | CyberBird: you need to update, AFTER adding non-free |
| 23:04.11 | CyberBird | how i addthat? |
| 23:04.27 | CyberBird | how i add that? |
| 23:04.27 | enouf | CyberBird: we told you how - 3 times now |
| 23:04.34 | CyberBird | ok, sorry.. |
| 23:05.05 | enouf | !+tell CyberBird -about msgthebot |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | told CyberBird about msgthebot. |
| 23:05.15 | enouf | CyberBird: look in your other irc windows |
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| 23:05.25 | mamalujo | and, why toy story characters? some big fan was deciding on naming releases or? |
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| 23:05.36 | enouf | probably |
| 23:05.37 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 23:05.51 | dondelelcaro | mamalujo: early DPL worked for pixar |
| 23:05.58 | maligor | it's in the fine traditions of unix naming |
| 23:06.10 | enouf | !little known facts |
| 23:06.13 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:06.16 | mamalujo | heh |
| 23:07.24 | Hraka | fsck, that xorg.conf did no good. |
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| 23:08.52 | enouf | man xorg.conf ; man {intel, radeon, radeonhd, nv, ...} |
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| 23:10.06 | Hraka | I am pretty certain that it is not really an X problem, more like a gnome problem. |
| 23:10.52 | Hraka | I just thought trying X first could do no harm, and the absence of an xorg.conf was somewhat suspicious. |
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| 23:14.16 | Hraka | Now back to mounting an encrypted drive with a live CD using the german keyboard layout on a french keyboard (stupidly restricted LiveCD). |
| 23:15.33 | CyberBird | thanks guys, my wi-fi now works... :) |
| 23:17.17 | adb | !win CyberBird |
| 23:17.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, CyberBird! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 23:19.05 | CyberBird | can i install firefox 3.5 on debian 5.0 lenny? |
| 23:19.30 | RichiH | my /dev/loop seems to have eaten its own foot. rebooting is not an option. suggestions? http://paste.debian.net:80/40700/ |
| 23:20.23 | adb | CyberBird: firefox is not supported here |
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| 23:22.41 | abrotman | CyberBird: lenny has iceweasel |
| 23:23.08 | mamalujo | dondelelcaro: oh, Bruce Perens to be more specific. interesting! |
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| 23:26.15 | Juansalvador | Hi everyone |
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| 23:26.25 | beardy | Hello |
| 23:26.34 | Interphase | aloha |
| 23:26.47 | anarxia | hello |
| 23:27.09 | CyberBird | is there iceweasel 3.5? |
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| 23:27.39 | beardy | judd: version iceweasel |
| 23:27.40 | judd | beardy: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | CyberBird: not as of yet |
| 23:27.52 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.56 | beardy | goes to the corner. |
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| 23:28.02 | Juansalvador | Im trying to compile ACE_wrappers in my debian 5 (64b) but when i try to excecute ../configure or ./bootstrap, terminal showme a -bash message, what can be this? |
| 23:28.04 | abrotman | wasn't it just relased today? |
| 23:28.10 | avu | yes |
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| 23:28.23 | avu | well, yesterday in the civilized world |
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| 23:28.40 | CyberBird | how do i install flash to iceweasel? |
| 23:28.57 | hikenboot | how do i get around this bug on raid with lvm? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502618??? |
| 23:29.03 | mamalujo | CyberBird: I think not yet. you probaby need to compile it from firefox source in whatever way they describe one does that for now, or wait |
| 23:29.03 | abrotman | !tell CyberBird about adobe flash |
| 23:29.46 | Juansalvador | I'll really apreciate any idea or suggest |
| 23:29.59 | CyberBird | flash 10 |
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| 23:30.00 | anarxia | my apt-get is broken. After apt-get update it doesn't seem to update the package lists |
| 23:30.00 | hikenboot | partman: /dev/mapper/vg0-home is apparently in use by the system |
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| 23:30.25 | hikenboot | its still under debian testing |
| 23:30.36 | phogg | anarxia: any errors returned? |
| 23:30.51 | adb | anarxia: apt-get -f install ? |
| 23:30.51 | anarxia | any ideas? Basically if I try to reinstall it says "Reinstallation of apt is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." |
| 23:31.05 | anarxia | tried that |
| 23:31.17 | adb | anarxia: sid ? |
| 23:31.20 | anarxia | yeap |
| 23:31.32 | adb | good luck ! |
| 23:31.35 | Juansalvador | please? |
| 23:31.37 | anarxia | thnx :) |
| 23:33.06 | c0m1 | anarxia: how did it break |
| 23:33.06 | anarxia | any other ideas? |
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| 23:33.32 | anarxia | i installed ia32-apt-get and then purged it |
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| 23:34.12 | Juansalvador | its like i coudn'l to excecute binaries |
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| 23:34.20 | Juansalvador | couldn't |
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| 23:34.25 | phogg | anarxia: copy a working one from another box |
| 23:34.43 | phogg | anarxia: a package, or if necessary the files |
| 23:35.09 | Juansalvador | could anyone giveme a light? |
| 23:35.16 | Juansalvador | please |
| 23:35.18 | anarxia | i already downloaded apt from ftp.uk.debian.org and dpkg -i the deb file but it didn't fix it |
| 23:35.31 | phogg | anarxia: was it not able to install? |
| 23:35.37 | anarxia | it installed fine |
| 23:35.39 | adb | dpkg: tell Juansalvador about b-e |
| 23:35.54 | c0m1 | anarxia: I don't know how to fix apt-get. But what is your partitioning like? If system is on separate partition from home, etc. you could just reinstall system |
| 23:36.01 | phogg | anarxia: I would assume you're missing some dependancies |
| 23:36.22 | mamalujo | if it 'cannot be downloaded', perhaps one could download the relevant packages manually, then install w dpkg somehow? |
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| 23:37.06 | Juansalvador | i already have build-essentials installed :( |
| 23:37.57 | CalJohn | /proc/meminfo reports that I have around 900mb of memory. I know that I actually have 2000. Is there a way to get x86 to see it? |
| 23:37.57 | anarxia | c0m1: everything in one partition |
| 23:38.14 | anarxia | phogg: no dependencies missing |
| 23:38.20 | phogg | hmm |
| 23:38.47 | adb | Juansalvador: no debian pkg for what you want to compile ? |
| 23:38.52 | phogg | anarxia: I assume your package cache has been removed |
| 23:39.00 | hikenboot | the solution to this problem is to format the partition with ext3 or ext4 using gparted live cd but the gparted live cd does not support raid as far as I can tell...is there a way to get it to support this? |
| 23:39.03 | phogg | anarxia: this could be a source of some problems |
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| 23:39.19 | gaintsura | how do I mount SD card? |
| 23:39.54 | Juansalvador | no, i want the last ace libraries and debian have not that package |
| 23:40.00 | anarxia | phogg: that seems more like the problem. How can i fix that |
| 23:40.01 | Juansalvador | ace tao ciao |
| 23:40.20 | Juansalvador | ~/ACE_wrappers/bin# ./bootstrap |
| 23:40.21 | Juansalvador | -bash: ./bootstrap: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 23:40.53 | phogg | anarxia: not sure it can be fixed. Your apt probably thinks you have no packages installed. |
| 23:40.58 | anarxia | phogg: apt-get knows about currently installed packages, but not packages available for download |
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| 23:41.08 | phogg | anarxia: and update fails, you say? |
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| 23:41.13 | anarxia | yes |
| 23:41.26 | phogg | anarxia: sorry if you said, but with what error message? |
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| 23:42.15 | anarxia | not fails as in giving me an error. Just when i try to reinstall apt (for example) it says: Reinstallation of apt is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 23:42.20 | Juansalvador | adb what could be wrong here? |
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| 23:42.28 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 23:42.33 | Juansalvador | hi |
| 23:42.47 | karmatronic | been a longtime :) |
| 23:43.33 | Hraka | Is there a way to get the list of installed packages (on a Debian Lenny) without booting the system, ergo is there a "these packages are installed" file somewhere on the HDD? |
| 23:43.38 | phogg | gets apt's source |
| 23:43.40 | adb | Juansalvador: /bin/sh ? |
| 23:44.12 | Juansalvador | adb sorry im so new with all this what you mean? |
| 23:44.18 | adb | Juansalvador: use lenny ? |
| 23:44.22 | Juansalvador | yes sir |
| 23:44.30 | anarxia | Hraka: /var/lib/dpkg/status has info on installed packages |
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| 23:44.55 | CalJohn | Hraka: dpkg -l |
| 23:44.56 | phogg | anarxia: does it include info on apt itself? |
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| 23:45.13 | CalJohn | Hraka: sorry, failed to read your message properly |
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| 23:45.32 | phogg | anarxia: this condition produces your error message: if (Pkg->CurrentVer == 0 || Pkg.CurrentVer().Downloadable() == false) |
| 23:45.35 | adb | Juansalvador: what do that ace /lib ? |
| 23:45.54 | Hraka | Thank you anarxia, calJohn. |
| 23:45.57 | anarxia | phogg: My bet is on downloadable() == false |
| 23:45.58 | phogg | anarxia: so... now to fidn what makes Downloadable decide to be untrue. |
| 23:46.06 | anarxia | phogg,: yeap |
| 23:46.08 | anigma | anyone from Europe that could share their source.list with me? |
| 23:46.44 | anarxia | i know for sure that apt doesn't update the available package list correctly after apt-get update because apt-cache shows info only on installed packages |
| 23:47.01 | adb | lenny anarxia ? |
| 23:47.06 | anarxia | sid |
| 23:47.23 | adb | deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib |
| 23:47.30 | hikenboot | never mind I will use grml as a work around to this bug it supports raid and lvm..hopefully it will see the raid lvm devices under its gparted...thanks |
| 23:47.55 | phogg | anarxia: what does apt-cache policy apt say? |
| 23:47.58 | Juansalvador | is an open-source framework that provides many components and patterns for developing high-performance |
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| 23:48.21 | anarxia | apt: |
| 23:48.21 | anarxia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.21 | anarxia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.21 | anarxia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.21 | anarxia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.22 | adb | aha HPL / |
| 23:48.33 | phogg | sigh |
| 23:48.38 | Juansalvador | efficient abstractions for sockets, demultiplexing loops, threads, synchronization primitives |
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| 23:49.04 | anarxia | :) I forgot about the flood rules |
| 23:49.10 | phogg | anarxia: use a pastebin next time |
| 23:49.21 | Juansalvador | but my problem is how can i know if my debian have problems? i cant to excecuted the ace binaries |
| 23:49.24 | phogg | anarxia: I just want to know if it thinks there's a source to fetch from |
| 23:49.45 | Juansalvador | when i try to use any ./program it shoingme -bash |
| 23:49.47 | phogg | Juansalvador: aren't those archives? compressed files? |
| 23:49.48 | anarxia | phogg: it only shows: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 23:49.53 | adb | Juansalvador: what's url with that ace.blablah |
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| 23:50.12 | Juansalvador | hehe |
| 23:50.12 | phogg | anarxia: well that is why it fails in Downloadable() |
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| 23:50.19 | Juansalvador | http://download.dre.vanderbilt.edu/ |
| 23:50.26 | phogg | I think. |
| 23:51.12 | trevor- | what is a secure way to dynamically add users? Say I have a web form for creating sftp accounts and want my linux system to do the appropriate useradd's |
| 23:51.20 | anarxia | phogg: yes |
| 23:51.49 | phogg | anarxia: so the question becomes... what drives that list and can it be updated by hand? |
| 23:52.09 | anigma | trevor-, probably using some php script? :) |
| 23:52.13 | adb | Juansalvador: which exactly tried to compile, please |
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| 23:52.24 | trevor- | anigma: but you could put tricky things in the username and password |
| 23:52.35 | trevor- | that screw things up when they're passed to useradd |
| 23:53.00 | Juansalvador | adb: ACE+TAO+CIAO-5.7.zip ACE+TAO (zip format) [HTTP] |
| 23:54.35 | anarxia | phogg: it should be updated with apt-get update. apt-get update hits the sources in my list (i checked with strace) so the sources are ok |
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| 23:54.59 | phogg | anarxia: yes, I would think so |
| 23:55.10 | adb | Juansalvador: grr .zip , i prefer tar.bz2 |
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| 23:56.08 | phogg | anarxia: the message in question is printed from within TryToInstall, which you are probably not doing in an apt-get update |
| 23:56.19 | phogg | anarxia: is aptitude installed? |
| 23:56.29 | Juansalvador | maybe a bad compressed file? |
| 23:56.38 | anarxia | phogg: yes. it has the exact same problem |
| 23:56.47 | phogg | I'd like to reproduce this myself and try to fix it, but I am reluctant to hose my system just for curiosity's sake /-: |
| 23:56.50 | anarxia | ha! Fixed |
| 23:56.58 | Juansalvador | letme try another one.. |
| 23:56.59 | phogg | anarxia: oh yes? Do tell! |
| 23:57.24 | anarxia | i simply deleted /var/lib/apt/lists/ files for remote sources |
| 23:57.36 | phogg | anarxia: broken/corrupted files, you think? |
| 23:57.36 | adb | Juansalvador: i dunno , how many space may need for compile - ~500 MB |
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| 23:57.57 | anarxia | apparently apt found no new files so it didn't rebuild the lists until i forced it to redownload everything |
| 23:58.17 | anarxia | phogg: most probably. I think ia32-apt-get must have messed the files up |
| 23:58.19 | phogg | anarxia: perhaps touching the files would have worked |
| 23:58.32 | anarxia | phogg: maybe |
| 23:58.56 | phogg | anarxia: I'm glad it's working, and that's good to know in case I ever break mine. |
| 23:59.40 | anarxia | phogg: yes. Thanks for the help and ideas :) |
