| 00:00.34 | abrotman | daffidity: it's supposed to be empty, if you want a certain resolution, specify it in your xorg.conf |
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| 00:00.38 | daffidity | abrotman: my xorg-conf file is empty |
| 00:00.42 | daffidity | is that normal? |
| 00:00.52 | adb | daffidity: yes , try http://paste.debian.net/40996/ |
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| 00:01.24 | daffidity | adb: do I copy that to my xorg.conf? |
| 00:01.37 | adb | yes |
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| 00:02.21 | adb | except lines numbers .. |
| 00:03.19 | abrotman | daffidity: it's supposed to be empty, if you want a certain resolution, specify it in your xorg.conf |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | adb: are you still running etch everywhere? |
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| 00:04.29 | unicum | now.. this command > file=`basename "$1"` < is used to derive only the actual filename from a whole path, right? how would i send the complete path + file to $2? |
| 00:04.32 | unicum | > file=`$2`? |
| 00:04.43 | iluminator101 | Also does psad work with ip6? |
| 00:04.44 | adb | abrotman: no .. |
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| 00:05.06 | maddash | hi |
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| 00:05.33 | adb | abrotman: 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 |
| 00:06.06 | maddash | I tried downloading the vanilla version of firefox 3, and absolutely nothing when I invoke "./firefox" |
| 00:06.16 | maddash | what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:06.16 | adb | abrotman: but was migrate to lenny from lenny tasting .. |
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| 00:06.38 | abrotman | maddash: which version of debian is it? |
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| 00:06.52 | maddash | bryant@nfkb:~/firefox$ cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.26.8 (root@nfkb) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-3) ) #1 Sat Apr 18 21:45:22 EDT 2009 |
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| 00:07.05 | Igloo | amphi: OK, running "lshal -m" I can see "platform_i8042_i8042_KBD_port_logicaldev_input condition ButtonPressed = sleep" for one of the buttons |
| 00:07.08 | maddash | abrotman: lebian squeeze |
| 00:07.08 | abrotman | that doesn't really answer the question since it looks like you built that yourself |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | maddash: running what? |
| 00:07.27 | maddash | abrotman: huh? |
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| 00:07.38 | maddash | abrotman: what do you want to know, exactly? |
| 00:07.43 | linuxguy2009 | Hello I was hoping that someone here might know how to get a list of the hardware "addresses" if thats what there called for things like sound devices on the system. I installed gtkrecordmydesktop and it needs the hw:x,x for my device to use it.How can i find that? |
| 00:07.49 | abrotman | that's not a debian kernel .. i'm asking which version of debian you have .. FF3 won't run on etch |
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| 00:08.03 | maddash | abrotman: er, squeeze? |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | maddash: strace it ? |
| 00:08.09 | adb | maddash: what's `lebian squeeze` ? |
| 00:08.20 | maddash | a typo? |
| 00:08.25 | maddash | ok hang on |
| 00:08.54 | Igloo | Oh, he left |
| 00:09.01 | daffidity | adb: It works. thanks. Will now try to get compiz working. Something always puzzled me. The login screen had the right resolution but when once I am logged in I get a rubbish resolution. why? |
| 00:09.46 | adb | dunno, sorry |
| 00:09.57 | iluminator101 | how do i block samba server with iptables? |
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| 00:11.00 | adb | iluminator101: block samba port ? |
| 00:11.08 | maddash | abrotman: am I supposed to paste the output? b/c stdout just freezes @ "futex(0x8056bc0, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL" |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | you're supposed to do it to a file .. and then read the file |
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| 00:14.03 | maddash | my strace output: http://pastebin.com/mb01628f |
| 00:14.17 | adb | iluminator101: cat /etc/services | grep samba , or smb , not sure witch is really used |
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| 00:17.47 | Joelito | Hi all: How can I edit or add lines to my xorg.conf..when is empty? :\ |
| 00:18.26 | adb | edit it |
| 00:18.30 | ftpmget | i'm pretty new to debian, but nano xorg.conf should do it |
| 00:18.30 | peppe | create it and add lines :-) |
| 00:18.39 | Sark | OK, so, I have this box. It's got a fresh install of current, but the box is pretty slow, and it runs _extremely_ slow. I'm looking for ways to "trim the fat", and let it be usable... |
| 00:19.03 | maddash | abrotman: any thoughts on the strace output? |
| 00:19.15 | jpinx | Sark: what did you install? |
| 00:19.17 | Joelito | I can't, X crashes...I need to add only two lines in "Device" section.... |
| 00:19.17 | ftpmget | rcconf and disable non needing services... |
| 00:19.22 | d_b | Sark: if you're running gnome on it you could switch to something lighter |
| 00:19.29 | Joelito | when I create the section and add the line, X crashes =S |
| 00:19.32 | Sark | So, how do I prevent it from automatically loading some of these extraneous kernel modules? |
| 00:19.36 | maddash | it doesn't make sense why the version of firefox gotten from apt will start, but the vanilla version will not |
| 00:19.43 | jpinx | Sark: and it depends on your hardware |
| 00:19.50 | d_b | Sark: and what you want to do with it |
| 00:19.59 | adb | Joelito: intel driver ? |
| 00:20.10 | Joelito | adb: yes |
| 00:20.14 | Sark | jpinx - nothing. This is absolutely bare nothing. No X, no extra packages... |
| 00:20.27 | jpinx | Sark: what hardware? |
| 00:20.30 | adb | Joelito: yes , try http://paste.debian.net/40996/ |
| 00:20.36 | abrotman | maddash: try it in safe mode ? |
| 00:20.58 | Sark | It's a PC, Intel 486 33mhz, 32mb RAM. |
| 00:21.13 | Joelito | adb: I'll try |
| 00:21.23 | adb | Sark: 32mb RAM... |
| 00:21.36 | adb | good ones |
| 00:21.37 | Sark | Yeah, I know. But I've got swap... |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | !tell Sark about blacklist |
| 00:21.59 | Sark | I've got nine meg free right now. |
| 00:22.15 | jpinx | Sark: you're struggling;) |
| 00:22.48 | Sark | You see, it loads dm_snapshot, dm_mirror, dm_mod, ipv6 and evdev - I shouldn't need these. |
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| 00:23.03 | Sark | And the modules aren't in /etc/modules |
| 00:23.09 | adb | jpinx: i run on 32mb RAM too |
| 00:23.12 | Sark | So why is it loading them? |
| 00:23.31 | adb | !blacklist |
| 00:23.32 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 00:23.34 | jpinx | Sark: speak with adb ;) |
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| 00:23.39 | adb | Sark^^ |
| 00:24.08 | adb | jpinx: yes but on m68k apple |
| 00:24.12 | Sark | So, I have to blacklist the modules.. That makes sense, but why does it even try to load them? |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | it sees compatible hardware .. loads the stuff to make them work |
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| 00:24.52 | adb | Sark: cause of initrd ? |
| 00:25.04 | Sark | right. I'm running the stock initrd. |
| 00:25.32 | Sark | I wonder if I should try to make a new one. |
| 00:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sark, udev is normally loading them when you try to access a device that needs them (the modprobe then does as a dependency if another module needs it) |
| 00:25.59 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:26.03 | Sark | Ah. OK... |
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| 00:26.28 | Sark | I'm not used to udev :) So used to a flat /dev system like on my other boxen. |
| 00:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | l |
| 00:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 00:26.34 | Joelito | adb: thanks.. :) |
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| 00:27.16 | ovnicraft | hi, i am trying to set python2.5 as default in etch, editing debian_defaults file but when python -V show me 2.4.4 |
| 00:27.27 | ovnicraft | hw i can solve to use 2.5? |
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| 00:28.26 | feld | i can't seem to find this info even in the debian package management docs, but can someone tell me how i can fake that a package is installed? |
| 00:30.10 | Arrowmaster | i doubt thats even possible |
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| 00:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | feld, you can only make an empty package that shows the dependencies you need |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | ovnicraft: you probably don't want to |
| 00:34.01 | feld | CutMeOwnThroat: i see. |
| 00:34.13 | feld | it doesn't look like the aptitude markauto / unmarkauto are working for me |
| 00:34.18 | feld | so i may have to do that |
| 00:34.18 | ovnicraft | abrotman, why? i need libraries from 2.5 |
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| 00:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | feld, what is your real problem |
| 00:34.40 | ovnicraft | abrotman, or is not supported in etch python2.5? |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | ovnicraft: it is, but if you set it as the deafult, the system utilities that use python excpect 2.4 .. you could break things |
| 00:35.31 | Sark | OK, I've blacklisted all the dm_ modules, ipv6 and evdev. Wonder what else I can do to free up resources... |
| 00:36.27 | adb | Joelito: yes , try http://paste.debian.net/40996/qq |
| 00:37.05 | ovnicraft | abrotman, ok but i want to use python2.5 libraries and aptitude not give result for that |
| 00:37.12 | feld | CutMeOwnThroat: google-chrome-unstable requires ia32 packages that are deprecated in sid |
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| 00:37.39 | superlinux | hi all |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | judd: info python2.5 --release etch |
| 00:37.43 | judd | abrotman: python2.5 (python): is optional; Version: 2.5-5+etch1; Size: 3365.0k; Installed: 12196k -- An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5) |
| 00:37.44 | adb | ops , sorry |
| 00:38.49 | ovnicraft | i get installed but there is not result for libraries, and i want to know if with ln -s between version could works? |
| 00:39.23 | Sark | eek. This inird.img file is huge - 4.2meg |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | ovnicraft: i just told you .. you're likely to mess up your system |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | ovnicraft: what libraries do you want ? |
| 00:40.12 | ovnicraft | changes in datetime, explicit strptime |
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| 00:40.38 | fogus | how do I do "service network restart"? |
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| 00:40.45 | Igloo | Does anyone know how I can make my suspend button suspend, given "lshal -m" is saying "condition ButtonPressed = sleep" when I press it? |
| 00:40.49 | abrotman | fogus: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 00:41.04 | abrotman | ovnicraft: you should make your scripts specify the version they want instead of just /usr/bin/python |
| 00:41.09 | superlinux | I have this HP/Compaq RAID SCSI controller 64xx series. linux defines it as /dev/cciss/* . it has some slot for the Cache memory. i don't know whether this memory card is a standard thing. would you please make it clearer to me? thanks. |
| 00:41.29 | Archaeopteryx | I upgraded to squeeze the moment I saw it came out. I received a new linux image. The problem though is that it has me waiting on the linux headers (2.6.26-2 for amd64). I want to install my nvidia video drivers but it requires me to compile them. I get mismatch issues due to the different header and image, when building the drivers and it cancels out. The headers seem to be taking forever to become properly released. Are there |
| 00:41.29 | Archaeopteryx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.40 | feld | CutMeOwnThroat: correction, lib32 packages are what it depends on and they've been replaced by the new ia32 packages. |
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| 00:42.39 | ovnicraft | abrotman, yes i config my scripts for 2.5 but site-packages dir is empty :| |
| 00:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | feld, what is 'it' |
| 00:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... see |
| 00:44.14 | fogus | abrotman: that only shutdown the one interface I had. it didn't bring it back up |
| 00:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | feld, there's normally some dummy packages around that have the old name |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | it shuld have |
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| 00:45.29 | feld | CutMeOwnThroat: i know.. the problem is that chrome is requiring a version older than the dummys... which makes it want to revert a ton of stuff and it's a real pain |
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| 00:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | there might be a reason for that, though :) |
| 00:46.33 | feld | CutMeOwnThroat: nah it's just packaged badly so they could use one deb for ubuntu and debian and whatnot, but debian is taking a different course so it's not going to work on debian anymore unless they fix their deps |
| 00:46.41 | adb | dpkg: tell Archaeopteryx about nvidia |
| 00:47.20 | fogus | no worries, I rebooted and my interface is back up and I am pinging happily. |
| 00:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-headers-2.6.26-2 |
| 00:47.39 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-headers-2.6.26-2 -- |
| 00:48.01 | fogus | what is a recommended list of URLs to put into sources.list? |
| 00:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 00:48.06 | macrobat | why isnt the kernel updated (aptitude full-upgrade) when the new version is availiable? |
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| 00:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 00:48.39 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 lenny-security: 2.6.26-15lenny3 squeeze: 2.6.26-17 |
| 00:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Archaeopteryx, I don't see that they're missing... |
| 00:49.02 | adb | dpkg: tell fogus about dmm lenny |
| 00:49.11 | Rusty1_ | why is cp -aux prompting me for overwrites without the "i" option? |
| 00:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can always stick around with an older kernel, though |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | ovnicraft: could you uh .. copy them in ? |
| 00:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rusty1_, not your files/directory |
| 00:49.45 | ovnicraft | yes |
| 00:50.04 | feld | CutMeOwnThroat: i made a dummy package and that appears to be working |
| 00:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no write permission or somesuch |
| 00:50.07 | feld | thanks anyway |
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| 00:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 00:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 00:50.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:50.17 | fogus | adb: this is just for a file server, not for a multimedia computer |
| 00:50.26 | Rusty1_ | CutMeOwnThroat, k, makes sense thx |
| 00:50.55 | adb | fogus: than `normal` repos should be ok |
| 00:50.59 | jpinx | steroids working CutMeOwnThroat ? ;) |
| 00:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, SHUT UP!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 00:51.19 | fogus | adb: do I have to change anything to use the "normal" ones? |
| 00:51.27 | adb | no |
| 00:51.30 | jpinx | heh -- must be :) |
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| 00:51.43 | adb | fogus: anyways paste it |
| 00:51.58 | adb | dpkg: tell fogus about paste |
| 00:52.29 | fogus | adb: paste... what? |
| 00:53.13 | adb | dpkg: tell fogus about sources.list |
| 00:53.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb has a 9:1 ration of botspeak:humanspeak |
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| 00:53.53 | Gratz474 | best way to get debian on a dedicated server? |
| 00:54.04 | Gratz474 | that has fedora installed right now |
| 00:54.07 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: great |
| 00:54.07 | Arrowmaster | install it |
| 00:54.09 | jpinx | Gratz474: install it? |
| 00:54.17 | Gratz474 | remote server |
| 00:54.33 | jpinx | Gratz474: install it? ;) |
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| 00:54.40 | fogus | adb: my default gateway is wrong. how do I change it? |
| 00:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the docu to the server, then install it? |
| 00:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:55.03 | adb | fogus: i dunno |
| 00:55.10 | Arrowmaster | hmm well i have put the netinst on a harddrive before |
| 00:55.24 | jpinx | Gratz474: check debian.org for remote installation methods |
| 00:55.51 | Gratz474 | hmmmm |
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| 00:56.11 | jpinx | Gratz474: what's on the server atm? |
| 00:56.24 | Gratz474 | fedora |
| 00:56.51 | ftpmget | is adb a bot or what? |
| 00:57.05 | jpinx | adb: are you a bot? ;) |
| 00:57.19 | adb | ftpmget: yes, why ? |
| 00:57.27 | ftpmget | sry |
| 00:57.30 | Gratz474 | think its possible jpinx ? |
| 00:57.31 | jpinx | heh |
| 00:57.55 | ftpmget | cutme... said that u are 9:1 bot:human |
| 00:57.56 | jpinx | Gratz474: everything is possible - check debian.org installation methodsje |
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| 00:57.57 | adb | jpinx: what's means `heh` ? |
| 00:58.10 | jpinx | short laugh adb |
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| 00:58.30 | adb | !win jpinx |
| 00:58.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, jpinx! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 00:58.46 | jpinx | can I change that for Tahiti? |
| 00:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb's not a bot, he's a meta-bot! |
| 00:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, no refunds! |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | fogus: dhcp or static ? |
| 00:59.25 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: it'a our secret , keep it |
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| 00:59.44 | jpinx | bugger |
| 01:00.05 | fogus | abrotman: dhcp |
| 01:00.11 | jpinx | I have anice nurse friend on Tahiti........ |
| 01:00.20 | fogus | I just edited the file and inserted "gateway 192.168.2.1" |
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| 01:00.37 | fogus | abrotman: is there a better way to restart the network then rebooting? |
| 01:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? he answered that already |
| 01:01.06 | abrotman | fogus: i told you .. and if your gateway is wrong, blame your dhcp |
| 01:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blame dhcp |
| 01:01.40 | dpkg | blames f00li5h[HireMe] and dhcp for all the evil in the world |
| 01:02.44 | fogus | abrotman: it only brings up the "link encap: local loopback" after I run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:03.04 | fogus | abrotman: eth1 stays down |
| 01:03.13 | fogus | this is not a working solution |
| 01:03.38 | adb | Sark: on m68k , use Mem:33320k total, 30224k used, 3096k free, 2340k buffers |
| 01:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ifup eth1"? |
| 01:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably you got something wrong in your interfaces file |
| 01:04.27 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: cheers, that works. I'll paste my interfaces file |
| 01:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it works it's ok |
| 01:05.25 | adb | fogus: edit/fix too /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 01:06.06 | fogus | rafb.net/paste has been discontinued - May 25, 2009 |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:06.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 01:07.10 | fogus | adb: http://pastebin.com/d232f2fb0 |
| 01:07.53 | adb | fogus: why only eth1 , where is eth0 ? |
| 01:08.15 | fogus | adb: there are three NICs on this computer. I have two unplugged |
| 01:08.45 | adb | fogus: so define all your nics |
| 01:10.38 | adb | fogus: hint: use /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 01:12.19 | fogus | adb: how do I tell the debian not to use the other NICs? |
| 01:12.29 | adb | ..sure, and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:12.32 | fogus | adb: there are no ethernet cables plugged into them |
| 01:13.21 | adb | fogus: do static address for others ? |
| 01:13.59 | adb | and/ or don't use `auto eth0` and so |
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| 01:17.56 | fogus | adb: sweet, issue solved: added "auto eth1" to the eth1 section |
| 01:19.08 | adb | !win fogus |
| 01:19.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, fogus! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:19.21 | fogus | no way! |
| 01:19.29 | adb | only ? |
| 01:20.20 | fogus | adb: yeah, that's all it needed |
| 01:20.39 | fogus | now I have to figure out how to SSH into this guy... |
| 01:21.31 | adb | ssh -l username machine IP |
| 01:21.50 | adb | ssh -l username machineIP* |
| 01:21.55 | fogus | adb: I have a very strange network topology |
| 01:22.26 | adb | don't annoy us |
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| 01:23.26 | adb | fogus: there is a `-via` or so in ssh options |
| 01:23.29 | Archaeopteryx | ok, I tried out the stuff I was given for the nvidia drivers and now my gdm will not start anymore |
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| 01:23.53 | Archaeopteryx | there was a link I was following that the channel provided me when one of you guys informed me about the prevuilt modules |
| 01:24.03 | Archaeopteryx | can whoever sent that message before, send it again? |
| 01:24.08 | fogus | adb: this will take some time. I have an ISA server between my computers |
| 01:24.19 | Archaeopteryx | pre-built* |
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| 01:24.48 | adb | fogus: ask ISA admin about help |
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| 01:25.00 | fogus | adb: that's me |
| 01:25.17 | adb | fogus: ask you , than .. |
| 01:25.34 | Archaeopteryx | ok wait..found the link again... |
| 01:25.54 | fogus | adb: I am trying to do an "aptitude update" and I get stuck at "connection to 192.168.0.1", which was my OLD default gateway |
| 01:26.19 | fogus | adb: my route table looks pretty normal (no 192.168.0.1 entries) |
| 01:27.22 | adb | fogus: last time i was in ISA network i used a switch to work around the ISA crap ... |
| 01:27.45 | fogus | adb: I did exactly that. my debian is outside ISA |
| 01:27.54 | fogus | adb: I can ping google |
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| 01:29.32 | fogus | adb: my history of commands is too long for my monitor. how can I scroll through them? "more" doesn't seem to work (as in "more history" or "more `history`" |
| 01:30.03 | adb | fogus: static ip may help ? |
| 01:30.24 | fogus | adb: good idea. trying... |
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| 01:30.29 | adb | Alt + page up/down ? |
| 01:31.03 | adb | err *Ctrl + page up/down ? |
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| 01:32.44 | fogus | adb: no go with the page up/down |
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| 01:34.25 | adb | used `Ctrl + page up/down ` , here is ok |
| 01:35.13 | fogus | adb: I have no GUI, you know that, right? this is just a minimal install |
| 01:35.33 | adb | sure , i know |
| 01:35.35 | fogus | when I do ctrl+page down I get "~" |
| 01:35.45 | fogus | ctrl+page up gives nothing |
| 01:36.07 | fogus | alt+page up/down does exactly the same as ctrl+page up/down |
| 01:36.14 | \amethyst | fogus: history | less |
| 01:36.28 | fogus | \amethyst: less is not installed I think |
| 01:36.29 | \amethyst | fogus: it's shift+pgup for scrollback |
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| 01:36.37 | \amethyst | history | more then |
| 01:37.07 | fogus | \amethyst: shift+page up/down works well |
| 01:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | less is not installed?! on Debian? |
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| 01:37.39 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: this is a minimal install |
| 01:37.43 | fogus | more is installed |
| 01:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | scandalous |
| 01:38.02 | miickee | Hey guys, how do I find the repository needed for a specific package? This one being skype-static-oss. |
| 01:38.03 | fogus | less is more but it is more or less not installed currently |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | miickee: you'd probably ask skype .. the package doesn't remember usually |
| 01:38.34 | miickee | Hrmm |
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| 01:38.53 | abrotman | miickee: apt-cache policy skype-static-oss help ? |
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| 01:39.52 | miickee | I will try that. Also, is it possible to use Ubuntu repositories? |
| 01:40.01 | miickee | Cause I found the one in ubuntu for that package |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | you can try, but no one will help you with the mess it makes |
| 01:40.15 | miickee | Hmmm scrap that |
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| 01:40.44 | miickee | "Unable to locate package skype-static-oss" |
| 01:40.58 | fogus | adb: where else could "192.168.0.1" be sitting? |
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| 01:41.39 | adb | from router ? |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | miickee: why do you need the repo? |
| 01:42.06 | miickee | abrotman: I just need the package |
| 01:42.16 | miickee | abrotman: But it just isn't anywhere to download |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | miickee: i bet google knows! |
| 01:42.40 | miickee | Google doesn't :P |
| 01:42.47 | fogus | adb: I get that strange message when I try to do "aptitude update" |
| 01:43.12 | miickee | abrotman: Search string ""skype-static-oss" "debian" "lenny" download" |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | how about just the first part |
| 01:43.46 | fogus | adb: ohh. I remember trying to set a proxy when I installed. I set it to 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:43.55 | fogus | adb: do you know how to undo that? |
| 01:43.58 | adb | fogus: i'll made a static IP eth1 in 192.168.0.x not 192.168.1.x |
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| 01:44.17 | fogus | adb: I made eth1 static to 192.168.2.10 |
| 01:44.24 | adb | no |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | miickee: dpkg -l skype-static-oss .. what's the full package version ? |
| 01:44.49 | miickee | "No packages matching skype-static-oss |
| 01:45.04 | fogus | adb: my router is 192.168.2.1 though. |
| 01:45.07 | adb | fogus: entar eth1 in router network 192.168.0.x |
| 01:45.16 | adb | enter * |
| 01:45.26 | miickee | "man ifconfig" |
| 01:45.28 | fogus | adb: 192.168.0.x is under my ISA network |
| 01:45.41 | adb | ah , ok |
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| 01:47.11 | fogus | adb: above my ISA sits 192.168.2.x. my router/modem combo is at 192.168.2.1, ISA is at 192.168.2.3 on the ISA/outward bound side |
| 01:47.29 | miickee | abrotman: found the package |
| 01:47.36 | fogus | adb: my debian box is at the same level as the ISA box |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:47.47 | fogus | adb: so it should be 192.168.2.x also |
| 01:48.21 | fogus | does anyone know how to unset the aptuitude proxy? |
| 01:48.57 | adb | fogus: no , i said to exit ISA network , by bypassing ISA with a new router .. |
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| 01:50.17 | fogus | adb: my debian box is completely outside of the ISA network (it does not have to go through the ISA server) |
| 01:50.49 | adb | and so why not connect to debian servers? |
| 01:51.17 | fogus | adb: it cannot because it is looking for 192.168.0.1 as a proxy. I entered that back during the install (form the CD) |
| 01:51.20 | fogus | from* |
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| 01:51.56 | fogus | goes to dinner... |
| 01:52.00 | adb | change it (don't ask me how) |
| 01:52.01 | miickee | abrotman: Trying to install the tar file, I tar'd it and now gonna ./configure it, but it says there's no such file or directory. |
| 01:52.08 | fogus | thanks everyone, especially adb |
| 01:52.13 | miickee | abrotman: I changed the permissions but it didn't help |
| 01:52.22 | adb | fogus: yw |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | miickee: i know nothing about skype |
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| 01:53.33 | miickee | No, I mean linux commands in general |
| 01:53.48 | miickee | Installing tar files |
| 01:54.23 | d_b | Hi I have this image http://xkcd.com/533/ and I want to add the alt text to the bottom, with some extra white to make it fit without going over the original image. I tried convert (imagemagick) with "-fill black -gravity south -pointsize 20 -annotate +0+5" but the text didn't fit, so I want a solution that changes line when it won't fit, is this possible? |
| 01:56.56 | miickee | Say I have a linux executable file called "skype", what command do I use to execute it? |
| 01:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "skype"? |
| 01:57.15 | miickee | I tried :S |
| 01:57.20 | miickee | I'm in the right directoru |
| 01:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "./skype"? |
| 01:57.43 | miickee | Thanks :) I thought it was like /sh or some shyte |
| 01:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | /sh? |
| 01:58.05 | miickee | Dunno, I'm not the best when it comes to remembering things |
| 01:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !skype |
| 01:58.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 01:58.19 | miickee | Hmm it seems to be doing something in the terminal, but no dialogue yet |
| 01:58.45 | miickee | Thanks! |
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| 02:00.18 | miickee | dpkg - that sources line only has "skype" package, not "skype-static-oss" |
| 02:00.18 | dpkg | You are moron #1, miickee |
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| 02:00.58 | miickee | Thanks dpkg, that intellectual eliticism is the exact reason why a lot of people don't go to linux |
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| 02:02.06 | liable | miickee: dpkg is a bot.. |
| 02:02.06 | miickee | Ahh good. |
| 02:02.06 | adb | miickee: you have talking to a bot ...just a machine , not an human .. |
| 02:02.17 | miickee | Well now I know it's not a human |
| 02:03.08 | adb | so retract that you said |
| 02:03.37 | adb | miickee: ^^ |
| 02:03.47 | MmikeDOMA | :) |
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| 02:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, be honored... you made it up to moron #1 |
| 02:09.14 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i'm looking to get a new netbook (for someone else to do video chat). I want both sides to be running open source (free as in freedom) software. Any suggestions on what works well? |
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| 02:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ekiga? |
| 02:09.58 | Archaeopteryx | ok, looks like I now can no longer get in to gdm after trying to installed my nvidia drivers through the precompiled debian ones |
| 02:10.01 | n0mad | gizmo ? |
| 02:10.20 | Archaeopteryx | what can I do to change my x11 config to use some sort of default drivers? |
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| 02:10.49 | mick_laptop | n0mad: that is free as in beer as far as i know |
| 02:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with free beer, though |
| 02:11.09 | n0mad | mmm |
| 02:11.12 | mick_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm also wondering what netbooks are a less of a hassle to setup |
| 02:11.13 | sircrazy | hey guys, does openbox come on the debian install dvd? |
| 02:11.57 | sircrazy | like on the main one, if not, is there a repo anyone knows of to get it? i say the main one because i do not wish to burn 5 dvds guessing if it is on one of them. |
| 02:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mick_laptop, preinstalled ones :-P |
| 02:12.26 | abrotman | sircrazy: the http repositories aren't good enough ? |
| 02:12.27 | mick_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: even the eeepc come w/ crapware as far as i know (skype) |
| 02:12.35 | mick_laptop | and i consider skype to be malware :P |
| 02:12.49 | sircrazy | abrotman: are they in the http repos"? |
| 02:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell sircrazy -about cd contents |
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| 02:13.21 | abrotman | sircrazy: of course they are .. |
| 02:13.22 | sircrazy | !tell sircrazy -about http repositories |
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| 02:13.32 | sircrazy | it doesnt know that one |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | sircrazy: do you have any http sources in your sources.list ? |
| 02:13.52 | sircrazy | idk the link to it. last time i did base install in vmware it only had cd repos |
| 02:13.54 | sircrazy | no http one |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | sircrazy: moment |
| 02:14.11 | sircrazy | kk |
| 02:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | sircrazy, you can /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 02:14.23 | mick_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: i basically don't want to compile my own kernel to get the webcam working etc |
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| 02:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mick_laptop, I see what you mean... |
| 02:14.41 | mick_laptop | i figured that there might be something that someone uses that "just works" |
| 02:14.53 | sircrazy | !tell sircrazy -about sources.list |
| 02:15.00 | sircrazy | kk |
| 02:15.02 | sircrazy | thanks |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | sircrazy: add `deb http://ftp.uga.edu/debian lenny main` .. assuming oyu're using lenny |
| 02:15.10 | sircrazy | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:15.31 | sircrazy | now i just need to learn iwconfig and ifconfig and all that to get connected. never done it from terminal before, |
| 02:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mick_laptop, I guess you can check/ask on http://www.linuxhardware.org/? |
| 02:15.45 | sircrazy | blushes at the n00b peeking through so much |
| 02:15.50 | mick_laptop | i once bought a thinkpad from ibm that worked 100% out of the box |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | mick_laptop: except the modem i suspect |
| 02:16.05 | mick_laptop | fingerprint reader and all |
| 02:16.07 | mick_laptop | \ |
| 02:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds unique :) |
| 02:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually on my last laptop the card readers still don't work |
| 02:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | not recognized *at all* - which means they probably never will be |
| 02:17.39 | mick_laptop | ya, i'm not in the mood to write a driver to get something to work |
| 02:18.06 | adb | !tell mick_laptop -about m-a |
| 02:18.19 | mick_laptop | kind of want something that i can just setup and then send to a family member over seas |
| 02:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | we weren't talking about that, adb |
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| 02:18.40 | mick_laptop | adb: lol, that isn't what i'm talking about |
| 02:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and here |
| 02:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hcl |
| 02:18.59 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 02:19.21 | adb | ` <mick_laptop> CutMeOwnThroat: i basically don't want to compile my own kernel to get the webcam working etc` |
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| 02:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he doesn't even have a machine yet... |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | what kind is he buying? |
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| 02:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't say... netbookish webcam, for video-phoning |
| 02:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | this kinda worked http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdbsearch.php?search=notebook |
| 02:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, still only moderately useful |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | anyone point him to the linux-laptop site ? |
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| 02:22.28 | craigevil | eeepc, acer one webcams work just fine with debian, most of the other like the HP and Dell netbooks should as well |
| 02:23.34 | mick_laptop | abrotman: i was looking more for personal experience |
| 02:23.44 | mick_laptop | like "i have a blah and it works great" |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | that is personal experience |
| 02:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots of that on the website I pointed you to |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | have you ever been to the site? it's all installation procedures and if they work etc |
| 02:24.23 | mick_laptop | i got an HP laptop once that had decent reviews but later on someone mentioned about issues w/ power and batteries dying |
| 02:24.44 | craigevil | pick a netbook brand a look through their forums |
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| 02:25.25 | abrotman | mick_laptop: but that can happen to any laptop |
| 02:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mick_laptop, there is only one thing that is totally certain... it's called "death" - everything else will imply some risk and uncertainty :) |
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| 02:25.54 | mick_laptop | heh, ya |
| 02:26.08 | mick_laptop | that was actually the worst laptop i ever bought |
| 02:26.16 | mick_laptop | after 3 days the battery died |
| 02:27.01 | jvogel | Anyone using Uzbl on debian?? |
| 02:27.12 | mick_laptop | there used to be a linux-laptops.org website but that only had old entries iirc |
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| 02:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | some other guys and I bought used laptops within the same year (acer demonstration models) - 2 were fine, on the 3rd the screen died |
| 02:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd think that doesn't happen on a laptop that has been "tested" for a year or so |
| 02:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 02:28.31 | mick_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: laptops are only actually supposed to work for 1-3 years |
| 02:28.45 | mick_laptop | that is how they are made |
| 02:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
| 02:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know about lots of up to 10 year old laptops |
| 02:29.08 | mick_laptop | oh i know |
| 02:29.13 | abrotman | just go buy one |
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| 02:30.42 | miickee | I am wondering if anyone has any experience in getting built-in laptop microphones to work? |
| 02:30.53 | gparent | Hey, why do I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check." when I try to reattach to a screen |
| 02:31.32 | mick_laptop | gparent: permissions? (just a guess) |
| 02:31.32 | fogus | is back from dinner |
| 02:31.48 | gparent | Well I'm using screen from the same user who launched the screen |
| 02:31.53 | gparent | I'm using... (sec) |
| 02:32.12 | gparent | screen -A -m -d -S geordibot |
| 02:32.13 | gparent | to launch it |
| 02:32.21 | gparent | and I'm trying to reattach using screen -r |
| 02:32.26 | gparent | or screen -r geordibot |
| 02:32.28 | gparent | neither work |
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| 02:32.56 | mick_laptop | screen ls.. shows that it is there? |
| 02:33.07 | gparent | Yes, screen -list shows |
| 02:33.08 | mick_laptop | g/g bbiab |
| 02:33.16 | gparent | 2875.geordibot (04/07/09 06:22:49 PM) (Detached) |
| 02:33.21 | fogus | how can I change the proxy that aptitude uses? |
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| 02:35.43 | abrotman | fogus: /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 02:38.02 | gparent | mick_laptop: any ideas |
| 02:38.55 | fogus | abrotman: got it. cheers. should I just remove the line with the "acquire" statement? |
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| 02:40.30 | abrotman | up to you .. it's probably the pdiff stuff |
| 02:40.31 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, what does ls -al /dev/pst/0 says... is it yours? |
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| 02:41.17 | gparent | It's root's, but I'm not sure spawning screens to unreachable users is an intended feature. |
| 02:41.32 | gparent | sudo doesn't help, either, as it claims no screens match the name I give it. |
| 02:41.58 | fogus | abrotman: removed line, aptitude update works |
| 02:42.05 | mick_laptop | gparent: have you tried to reattach w/ the process id? |
| 02:42.13 | MmikeDOMA | Shouldn't it belong to user who started the screen? |
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| 02:42.26 | gparent | mick_laptop: Same error. |
| 02:42.35 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi guys, dumb question, how do i install sun-java6-djk in debian 5.0 aka lenny? |
| 02:42.44 | gparent | With sudo, it can't find the screen, without, it says cannot open terminal |
| 02:42.46 | andrew[andrboot] | *sun-java6-jdk |
| 02:43.00 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, what if you chown /dev/pts/0 to user who is running the screen you're trying to reatach? |
| 02:43.24 | gparent | I'm not too sure that's a good idea |
| 02:43.37 | gparent | If I need to do something completely fucked up like that I'll just kill the process. |
| 02:43.53 | gparent | I'm just trying to find out why screen is being such a buggy piece of crap, or if I'm doing something wrong mysel.f |
| 02:44.11 | fogus | ok, I would like to install "less" now. how do I do this with aptitude? |
| 02:44.20 | gparent | I just launch screen with |
| 02:44.22 | MmikeDOMA | I've been using screen for like 10 years, and i don't know if I ever encountered bugs with ith |
| 02:44.30 | Gratz474 | easiest way to add a user? |
| 02:44.32 | gparent | "screen -A -m -d -S geordibot sudo geordi-irc" |
| 02:44.36 | gparent | from a .sh script |
| 02:44.40 | gparent | from the "geordi" user. |
| 02:44.41 | fogus | "aptitude search less" does not return something that looks like less |
| 02:44.47 | gparent | And I try to reattach, once again from the "geordi" user |
| 02:44.53 | gparent | using screen -r 2841.geordibot |
| 02:44.56 | gparent | that should work.. |
| 02:44.59 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, and each time you try to reatach you get that message? |
| 02:45.15 | gparent | I can get it to work sometimes I'm not sure how, though. |
| 02:45.30 | andrew[andrboot] | woo nvm |
| 02:45.32 | andrew[andrboot] | figured it out |
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| 02:46.08 | Gratz474 | si this the easiest way to add a user http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 |
| 02:46.09 | Gratz474 | ? |
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| 02:46.37 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, what shell are you using underheath? |
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| 02:46.50 | gparent | bash |
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| 02:47.50 | MmikeDOMA | gparent,why do you use -d, youre reataching allready? |
| 02:48.21 | gparent | I stole it from http://www.srcds.com/db/engine.php?subaction=showfull&id=1098643920&archive= |
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| 02:48.39 | gparent | (Not that screen -x geordibot works either) |
| 02:49.26 | Gratz474 | does adduser make a home dir ? |
| 02:49.33 | gparent | If you specify, yes. |
| 02:49.47 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, does geordy-irc script/program needs to be run as root? |
| 02:49.57 | gparent | Yes, it has "sudo" behind the command. |
| 02:50.20 | gparent | screen -A -m -d -S geordibot sudo geordi-irc |
| 02:50.25 | fogus | what does "p" mean next to an aptitude result? |
| 02:50.28 | Gratz474 | gparent, i did it without specifying |
| 02:50.33 | Gratz474 | how can i make one now ? |
| 02:50.43 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, hang on, let me try something |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | adduser does it by default .. useradd does not |
| 02:50.54 | Gratz474 | sin't there a better way to add users ? where it ask me username and then pass etc ? |
| 02:50.56 | gparent | Gratz474: No clue, can you delete and remake? |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | Gratz474: that's what adduser should do |
| 02:51.37 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, when are you asked for the sudo password ? |
| 02:51.50 | Gratz474 | adduser myuser didn't do anything |
| 02:51.52 | Gratz474 | just made the user |
| 02:51.54 | gparent | I'm not, this user doesn't require it for that specific reason |
| 02:51.56 | Gratz474 | i would like for it to ask me |
| 02:52.04 | gparent | I have it turned off in sudoers |
| 02:52.45 | Gratz474 | anyone ? |
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| 02:52.56 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, I just tried opening joe editor using sudo on some file, I can reatach normaly... but, all of my files under /dev/pts/* are owned by user who started screen... are you sure youre not root when initialy running screen? |
| 02:53.05 | Gratz474 | ah ok |
| 02:53.09 | gparent | Yes, I'm sure. |
| 02:53.17 | gparent | I su geordi before running the script. |
| 02:53.31 | fogus | >>what does "p" mean next to an aptitude result? |
| 02:53.32 | MmikeDOMA | oh |
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| 02:53.39 | MmikeDOMA | try su - geordi |
| 02:53.43 | MmikeDOMA | and then run the script |
| 02:53.59 | Gratz474 | ok worked whew |
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| 02:54.37 | fogus | adb: do you know what "p" means next to an aptitude result? |
| 02:55.57 | gparent | Same thing |
| 02:56.08 | gparent | /dev/pts/0 is owned by root tty |
| 02:56.29 | gparent | Wonder what happens if I log directly as geordi |
| 02:56.52 | mick_laptop | gparent: i just saw something online about chmoding it and it worked for someone |
| 02:57.55 | mick_laptop | gparent: look at this http://www.softpanorama.org/Utilities/screen.shtml |
| 02:58.00 | fogus | guys, I've "man aptitude" and googled for it. what do the letters next to aptitude results mean?? |
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| 02:58.02 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, I just can't reproduce that... |
| 02:58.08 | mick_laptop | ctrl+f for "please check" |
| 02:58.21 | fogus | there are "v" and "s" letters |
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| 02:58.48 | gparent | It seems to work if I log in via ssh directly to the geordi account |
| 02:58.51 | gparent | instead of su'ing |
| 02:59.10 | Qew | fogus: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 02:59.20 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, you logged in as root, and then used su to became geordi, right? |
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| 02:59.47 | MmikeDOMA | gparent, read what mick_laptop suggested, it's explained there |
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| 03:00.13 | gparent | Okay. |
| 03:00.14 | gparent | I'll check it out |
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| 03:00.18 | gparent | Thanks |
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| 03:00.36 | fogus | Qew: ok, thanks. bookmarked. do you know how to install things like "less"? |
| 03:01.02 | MmikeDOMA | if you login as root, and then that tty is owned by root, no matter you became another user using soo |
| 03:01.30 | Qew | fogus: try reading up the man pages of aptitude |
| 03:01.38 | Qew | or that link I gave |
| 03:01.46 | MmikeDOMA | same, if you login as geordi, become root, that tty is owned by geordi, not root |
| 03:01.56 | gparent | MmikeDOMA: Oh I see. |
| 03:02.06 | Qew | fogus: OK, I'll start you off: aptitude install less |
| 03:02.12 | MmikeDOMA | and that confuses screen, because it actually hacks with ttys :) |
| 03:02.19 | omakase | is there a way to check how many open files a process has |
| 03:02.43 | MmikeDOMA | I just love screen :) |
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| 03:04.06 | Akuw | hi |
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| 03:04.25 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.32 | Akuw | but video never start |
| 03:06.06 | craigevil | Akuw: do you have Flash installed? |
| 03:06.40 | Akuw | i have gnash |
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| 03:08.17 | Akuw | and? |
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| 03:09.40 | fogus | Qew: what I don't get is that aptitude search less does not result in any "less" resutls |
| 03:10.00 | miickee | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers, I got nvidia-glx installed already but it's not really working for the video card, I'm following a tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 03:10.27 | miickee | And I can't find the package "apt-get install nvidia-glx$2.6.29-bpo.2-686 |
| 03:10.30 | craigevil | Akuw: the site looks like it uses newer Flash so gnash most likely will not work, you will need the current version of Adobe's Flash |
| 03:11.02 | miickee | Akuw: Uninstall every program with "swf" and "flash" in the name, and reinstall "flashplayer-nonfree" or whatever it is, fixed my flas |
| 03:11.04 | miickee | *flash |
| 03:11.29 | craigevil | !tell Akuw about Adobe Flash |
| 03:11.31 | Akuw | ho man |
| 03:11.36 | Akuw | i can't do that |
| 03:11.41 | miickee | Why not? |
| 03:11.57 | Akuw | i am using gnewsense and i don't want to use non-free software |
| 03:12.34 | miickee | It works though, why don't you want to use non-free software? |
| 03:12.36 | craigevil | Akuw: then you are out of luck the site isn't going to work |
| 03:12.39 | miickee | It's not like it costs money lol |
| 03:12.44 | Akuw | well |
| 03:13.00 | Qew | fogus: it does for me. The only thing that I can think of right now is that your sources.list file is wrong. Do any other search results work? Try something like aptitude search vim and see if that works. |
| 03:13.06 | Akuw | i will use itheora-v2.1.tar.gz |
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| 03:14.02 | miickee | Anyone know about my kernel version, 2.6.29-bpo.2-686, it seems a little strange |
| 03:14.09 | miickee | Can't get any nvidia drivers for it |
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| 03:15.57 | Qew | fogus: mind you, doing aptitude search less should come up with a lot of results for not just less but other packages. Maybe you can paste your sources.list file on pastebin (look in the topic) so we can see if it's OK. |
| 03:16.02 | fogus | Qew: aptitude search less results in "v java-runtime-headless" and several other results |
| 03:17.15 | Qew | fogus: yes, but surely less should be amongst the results. I can't believe that such a universal and basic package won't show up. |
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| 03:17.57 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 03:18.10 | man_in_shack | i've got an interesting issue here ... |
| 03:18.19 | Qew | the only thing I can think of is you're missing some repositories in your sources.list file. |
| 03:18.27 | Qew | fogus: ^^ |
| 03:18.30 | man_in_shack | one debian unstable system i have is trying to access ftp.au.debian.org via ipv6 address |
| 03:18.41 | man_in_shack | but ipv6 is not provided by my isp |
| 03:18.50 | fogus | Qew: I am typing out my sources.list file now |
| 03:19.08 | adb | !paste |
| 03:19.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 03:19.23 | hikenboot | good evening! Can anyone point me to a document on seting up grub on raid 1 in this case my /boot partition is on md11 and this is mapped to /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb11 but I do not want to make a mistake installing grub |
| 03:19.35 | hikenboot | all the docs point it to being the first parititons |
| 03:19.36 | man_in_shack | oh, it's just aptitude doing it apparently |
| 03:19.41 | Evil_Cat | hey |
| 03:19.56 | man_in_shack | or maybe it suddenly got fixed :| |
| 03:20.02 | fogus | adb: I know, I know. I promise not to paste here |
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| 03:20.38 | fogus | Qew: the only uncommented lines from sources.list are: http://pastebin.com/d7adc05bd |
| 03:20.41 | Evil_Cat | i had never seen a channel which were in that number of users O.o |
| 03:20.55 | man_in_shack | ok, well, it seems it's fixed itself |
| 03:21.14 | fogus | Evil_Cat: try #ubuntu |
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| 03:21.21 | Evil_Cat | i could be like a senat of a ant colony |
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| 03:21.29 | adb | dpkg: tell fogus about sources |
| 03:21.45 | Evil_Cat | i don't know about debian it could be interesting beeing here |
| 03:22.01 | Evil_Cat | fogus why not ? |
| 03:22.03 | Qew | fogus: you need to add another line at least: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 03:22.15 | Qew | fogus: replace uk with whatever country code you're in |
| 03:22.22 | Tapout | is packages.debian.org mirrored or something? One load shows postgresql-8.4 on lenny backports has AMD64, a few loads later.. only shows 2 (ia64 and powerpc) |
| 03:22.25 | fogus | Qew: allright |
| 03:22.50 | Qew | fogus: you might want to change stable with lenny |
| 03:23.03 | Evil_Cat | fogus now i know why you said it |
| 03:23.09 | craigevil | fogus: all you have is security, http://pastebin.com/m17818c67 |
| 03:23.10 | Evil_Cat | :) |
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| 03:23.48 | adb | fogus: use lenny instead stable , please |
| 03:24.03 | Qew | fogus: yeah, change stable for lenny in the line I gave |
| 03:24.39 | hikenboot | to make matters worse some how one of the disks has lilo installed instead of grub (not sure which one) |
| 03:25.05 | Qew | fogus: once done, then do an aptitude update then try and install less |
| 03:25.55 | hikenboot | could I dd one of the disks layout and data over the second disk and have it work if the partitions were not layed out identically in the first place and expect it to work? with lvm? |
| 03:25.59 | fogus | Qew: done. used lenny instead of stable. done update. done search. results = original results |
| 03:26.14 | fogus | Qew: no less |
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| 03:26.48 | Qew | fogus: again paste up your sources.list. Copy the whole thing. |
| 03:27.05 | fogus | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-Free |
| 03:27.24 | fogus | Qew: I cannot copy stuff. |
| 03:27.31 | fogus | Qew: I have to type it all out |
| 03:28.10 | adb | fogus: your network is working ,,,? |
| 03:28.22 | fogus | adb: sure seems to be |
| 03:28.48 | adb | hmm , ssh in than |
| 03:28.56 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.40 | fogus | adb: my XP machine is behind ISA. my debian is beside ISA. I cannot ssh |
| 03:29.53 | adb | fogus: putty ? |
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| 03:30.17 | adb | fogus: nvm |
| 03:30.25 | fogus | adb: to what IP? my debian box? I don't think so. XP=192.168.0.154, debain=192.168.2.10 |
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| 03:30.49 | Qew | fogus: did you add a new line after adding that entry (hit return)? |
| 03:31.05 | fogus | Qew: no |
| 03:31.09 | Qew | do so |
| 03:31.51 | fogus | Qew: done. update done. search done. results are unchanged |
| 03:32.03 | adb | fogus: update exit with errors ? |
| 03:32.14 | Qew | fogus, you have a unique installation |
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| 03:33.17 | fogus | Qew: in the update results: "Err http://ftp.ca.debian.org lenny/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.184.35.4 80] |
| 03:33.28 | fogus | adb: ^^ |
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| 03:33.57 | Qew | hmm... that link works for me, so it must be some problem down your neck of the woods. Maybe try the uk one and see if that works. |
| 03:34.01 | adb | fogus: your network is working ,,,? |
| 03:35.28 | fogus | adb: also in results: Hit http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Sources |
| 03:35.55 | fogus | adb: there are many "hit" results as well as "ign" resutls |
| 03:36.03 | fogus | adb: what does "ign" mean? |
| 03:36.07 | Qew | fogus: those are fine |
| 03:36.24 | adb | fogus: missing `deb` before http://ftp.ca.debian.org lenny main ? |
| 03:36.26 | fogus | but ftp.ca seems to be down |
| 03:36.44 | adb | no , it's up |
| 03:36.52 | fogus | I can browse to http://ftp.ca.debian.org/ just fine |
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| 03:37.01 | Qew | arrgghh, I can't believe I missed the deb |
| 03:37.12 | fogus | no, "deb" is before the http |
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| 03:37.40 | fogus | wait, do I need to have the backticks? |
| 03:37.45 | Qew | fogus: I did paste: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 03:37.58 | Qew | fogus: you need the line to start with deb |
| 03:38.20 | fogus | Qew: the line does start with "deb" |
| 03:38.31 | fogus | is non-Free capitalized/ |
| 03:38.33 | Qew | ah, you didn't paste that... or type it ;) |
| 03:38.36 | Qew | no |
| 03:38.43 | Qew | all non-caps |
| 03:38.47 | fogus | oh |
| 03:39.04 | Qew | but that doesn't matter for less which is in main |
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| 03:39.22 | Qew | still, fix it |
| 03:39.34 | fogus | Qew: I changed it to lower |
| 03:40.36 | fogus | that's funny, when I ping ftp.ca.debian.org I get 24.215.0.24 but in the results I have "Err http://ftp.ca.debian.org lenny/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.184.35.4 80]" |
| 03:40.50 | fogus | I am using open DNS I think |
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| 03:41.48 | adb | fogus: no lenny/main , but `lenny main` |
| 03:41.56 | adb | in sources |
| 03:42.36 | Qew | fogus: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 03:42.44 | Qew | fogus: just type that in as it is |
| 03:42.57 | Qew | and hit enter, then save... then update... then install less |
| 03:43.26 | adb | dpkg: tell fogus about sources |
| 03:43.36 | fogus | Qew: added a final "/" to the URL |
| 03:43.59 | Qew | fogus, not important, but won't harm |
| 03:44.00 | adb | no |
| 03:44.02 | fogus | Qew: same 404s and same results |
| 03:44.20 | Qew | fogus: just type it as I typed it |
| 03:44.44 | fogus | Qew: I did it exactly and tripple checked it. I added a new lineafter it |
| 03:44.47 | Qew | don't add spaces or miss spaces, add slashes, leave them out... |
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| 03:46.06 | adb | fogus: read bot message , or ... ignore it |
| 03:46.44 | fogus | adb: I have three of those same messages in my bot window now |
| 03:47.10 | adb | it became annoying .. |
| 03:47.20 | fogus | adb: sorry |
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| 03:48.05 | adb | now ? |
| 03:48.42 | adb | nvm |
| 03:49.04 | fogus | adb: same 404s |
| 03:49.08 | fogus | adb: same results |
| 03:49.39 | fogus | is there a dns flush function? |
| 03:49.57 | Qew | fogus: try uk instead of ca... let's see if that route works for now |
| 03:50.41 | fogus | Qew: same IP for uk, same 404s, same results. |
| 03:51.30 | adb | fogus: check your network |
| 03:51.39 | fogus | adb: what check should I use? |
| 03:51.46 | adb | all |
| 03:52.00 | fogus | adb: ifconfig -a ? |
| 03:52.06 | fogus | adb: ping? |
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| 03:52.42 | fogus | google.com gives the same IP for my desktop and my debian server |
| 03:53.17 | miickee | I need help getting the ati proprietary drivers to work properly, I followed the exact instructions on the ati website, and now all my graphics are gone to shyte and the ati catalyst control center doesn't work |
| 03:53.58 | adb | fogus: power down this crap of ISA |
| 03:54.01 | fogus | my desktop pings to 91.184.35.4 for ftp.ca.debian.org while debian pings to 132.246.2.23 |
| 03:54.16 | nix_chix0r | i finally updated my source list |
| 03:54.30 | fogus | adb: if I power down ISA, this computer will not be online and I won't be able to chat |
| 03:54.53 | fogus | adb: debian and ISA are on the same switch which is connected to my router/modem |
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| 03:55.12 | fogus | adb: furthermore, my route table is nearly empty |
| 03:56.07 | adb | fogus: power down this crap of ISA , install irssi on debian and come here again |
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| 03:57.19 | craigevil | !tell miickee about ait |
| 03:57.39 | miickee | I'm using #ati but noones answering |
| 03:57.41 | craigevil | crap helps if i type correctly |
| 03:57.44 | fogus | adb: I don't understand what my ISA server has to do with it. you should think of it as a firewall for my XP machine and nothing else |
| 03:57.51 | miickee | I just need to uninstall the proprietary drivers |
| 03:58.01 | miickee | I guess that'sa more general linux question |
| 03:58.07 | fogus | adb: I'll draw an ascii for you of my netowrk and you will understand |
| 03:58.10 | miickee | How would I do that? |
| 03:58.16 | fogus | adb: debain does NOT have to go through ISA |
| 03:58.28 | craigevil | miickee: install them the debian way |
| 03:58.39 | miickee | I will, but first I have to uninstall what I have installed |
| 03:59.00 | miickee | That being the drivers I got from ati and the catalyst control center, what command would I need for that? |
| 03:59.24 | miickee | Cause it came from a .run file from atu |
| 03:59.25 | miickee | *ati |
| 03:59.42 | craigevil | miickee: the installer should have an uninstaller, for the debian way take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 04:00.18 | miickee | craigevil: no uninstaller, can't even access control center |
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| 04:01.18 | sauvin | Can anybody give me an idea why my main laptop's MAC address after this last cold boot? |
| 04:01.49 | adb | fogus: do as i said , at list test it .. |
| 04:01.56 | fogus | adb: http://pastebin.com/d121d280b |
| 04:03.23 | fogus | adb: aptitude search irssi returns nothing so I have no hope if installing it |
| 04:03.39 | adb | not before switch off ISA .. |
| 04:04.18 | fogus | adb: I cannot turn of ISA until 0000 (~four hours) |
| 04:04.42 | fogus | adb: there are other users on it. can you explain how it could matter |
| 04:04.51 | fogus | my default gateway points debian box away from ISA |
| 04:04.51 | sundaymo1ning | guys you're obsessed about the ISA :-( |
| 04:05.19 | fogus | sundaymo1ning: could it be the ISA? |
| 04:05.33 | adb | sundaymo1ning: not me .. |
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| 04:06.27 | adb | !sunday |
| 04:06.27 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:06.33 | sundaymo1ning | I don't know how could be it, but I have no idea of what could it be either |
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| 04:07.07 | adb | so is ISA , haha |
| 04:07.10 | fogus | you guys have a ! for a troll. that's nuts |
| 04:07.15 | Rusty1_ | late to this but /etc/resolv.conf points to opendns? fogus ? |
| 04:07.20 | beardy | Since .Xdefaults doesn't exist, is any other file used/preferred instead, for the same purpose? |
| 04:07.29 | fogus | Rusty1_: correct |
| 04:07.35 | sundaymo1ning | based on your drawing it would be a surprise to me if the ISA was the issue there |
| 04:07.53 | fogus | Rusty1_: actually, no, sorry, but my modem/router has open dns builtin |
| 04:08.16 | fogus | Rusty1_: or rather, configured in |
| 04:08.50 | Rusty1_ | so /etc/resolv.conf points where? |
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| 04:09.46 | fogus | Rusty1_: I just checked it and it does have nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 04:09.53 | fogus | I guess it picked that up from 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:11.04 | streuner | magic |
| 04:11.15 | fogus | streuner: exactly |
| 04:11.42 | fogus | I think my linux skills have a hex on them |
| 04:11.52 | craigevil | fogus: what does nslookup ftp.ca.debian.org or host ftp.ca.debian.org return |
| 04:11.53 | streuner | there are bits and bytes, but not magic about OS... |
| 04:12.36 | fogus | craigevil: nslookup: command not found |
| 04:12.51 | streuner | install dnsutils |
| 04:12.52 | fogus | craigevil: host: command not found |
| 04:12.56 | streuner | !find nslookup |
| 04:13.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nslookup' (6 of 9): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/share/rbot/plugins/nslookup.rb) in net/rbot ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/nslookup) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/gajim/src/common/nslookup.py) in net/gajim ;; (/usr/share/procmail-lib/pm-janslookup.rc) in mail/procmail-lib ;; (/usr/share/doc/kaptain/examples/nslookup.kaptn) in utils/kaptain. |
| 04:13.57 | fogus | streuner: only result: ldnsutils. install? |
| 04:14.58 | streuner | apititude install dnsutils |
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| 04:15.43 | fogus | streuner: that is the kind of problem we are having. I cannot install things with aptitude because aptitude cannot update the main list |
| 04:15.45 | streuner | aptitude install dnsutils |
| 04:15.56 | Rusty1_ | i thot he couldnt hit the repos |
| 04:15.57 | streuner | hm |
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| 04:16.05 | fogus | this is a recursive problem |
| 04:16.21 | streuner | fogus: you are in internet so use it |
| 04:16.35 | streuner | fogus: packages.debian.org/dnsutils |
| 04:16.50 | beardy | How do I get X to read in .Xdefaults without restarting it, or how do I restart X wthout killing all programs running? |
| 04:16.50 | craigevil | he can connect but aptitude can't, which is just weird |
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| 04:17.30 | fogus | I could transfer stuff by USB stick I guess. not sure what to transfer |
| 04:18.26 | streuner | and, did you try to edit /etc/hosts? |
| 04:18.40 | fogus | streuner: opening that now... |
| 04:18.52 | adb | beardy: source .Xdefaults ? |
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| 04:19.44 | fogus | streuner: how should it be edited? |
| 04:20.04 | streuner | fogus: what kind of mirror do you use (URL) and branch of Debian? |
| 04:20.19 | beardy | adb: No, they're not bash environment variables, but X ones. |
| 04:20.26 | fogus | streuner: ftp.ca.debian.org |
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| 04:20.59 | fogus | streuner: that is what is in my sources.list file |
| 04:21.08 | streuner | fogus: 24.215.0.24 ftp.ca.debian.org |
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| 04:21.36 | fogus | streuner: I get 91.184.35.4 |
| 04:22.02 | fogus | streuner: that is from my windows machine |
| 04:22.03 | streuner | sure, its a roundrobin... |
| 04:22.09 | fogus | streuner: I see |
| 04:22.32 | streuner | there are sometimes problems with roundrobins... |
| 04:22.53 | adb | http://91.184.35.4/ ? |
| 04:23.08 | fogus | Interior Wall Design |
| 04:23.16 | adb | samuel's blog .. |
| 04:23.18 | beardy | Rephrase, how do I set an X environment variable in my current X session? |
| 04:24.25 | fogus | adb: I get the same IP for ALL country codes I seem to try |
| 04:24.38 | fogus | could my ISP be blocking something? fpt usually works fine |
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| 04:24.53 | beardy | Use http. |
| 04:24.55 | fogus | adb: is it ok that I find samuel's blog |
| 04:25.08 | fogus | adb: should something else happen |
| 04:25.21 | fogus | beardy: I am using http://ftp.ca.debain.org |
| 04:25.34 | fogus | beardy: so, true, I am using http protocol |
| 04:25.34 | streuner | ok, thats http then |
| 04:25.50 | streuner | fogus: did you edit /etc/hosts? |
| 04:25.51 | beardy | fogus: eally debain? |
| 04:26.00 | fogus | streuner: how should I edit it? |
| 04:26.09 | craigevil | fogus: try something like deb http://http.ca.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:26.15 | fogus | beardy: I am using http://ftp.ca.debain.org/debian |
| 04:26.19 | streuner | streuner> fogus: 24.215.0.24 ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 04:26.29 | fogus | craigevil: doing so... |
| 04:26.35 | beardy | fogus: "debain" is mistyped |
| 04:27.25 | fogus | beardy: ah |
| 04:27.28 | beardy | fogus: So, is it "debain" in your sources.list? |
| 04:27.45 | fogus | no more 404s. |
| 04:27.51 | fogus | is embarrassed |
| 04:27.56 | Qew | heh |
| 04:28.01 | beardy | ;) |
| 04:28.30 | fogus | I was using "aptidude" for a long time also... |
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| 04:28.57 | beardy | fogus: Hehe |
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| 04:32.34 | fogus | well, it wasn't the ISA |
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| 04:33.10 | beardy | fogus: An ISA card? |
| 04:33.38 | fogus | beardy: MS ISA server 2006 |
| 04:35.03 | fogus | beardy: how should I ssh into my debian? http://pastebin.com/d121d280b |
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| 04:38.10 | beardy | fogus: Nice drawing. Forward port 22 to 192.168.2.10 in your modem/router. |
| 04:38.39 | Gratz474 | How do i know i am using a x64 version? |
| 04:38.56 | fogus | beardy: I am sitting on the ISA side of things (one of the xp boxes |
| 04:40.06 | beardy | fogus: Ah, sorry.. disregard that. So what is this ISA switch, why don't you connect it to the modem, or a normal dumb switch or what you have, on the way? |
| 04:40.24 | Gratz474 | would uname -a tell me if i am using a x64 version? |
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| 04:40.52 | fogus | beardy: imagine that one of the XP users has to be sevearly restricted in terms of web usage |
| 04:41.02 | fogus | beardy: the ISA is a deep packet inspection filter |
| 04:41.26 | DanDare | im not an expert just average user. Should i update do Lenny already? Or should I wait some more ? |
| 04:41.37 | beardy | fogus: Sure. But why is your Debian box connected through it then? |
| 04:42.07 | fogus | beardy: its not. that's kind of the whole point. the debian doesn't have to go through the ISA to get to the internet |
| 04:42.42 | DanDare | my guess is: less future kernel updates less possible trouble |
| 04:42.53 | beardy | fogus: Does that thing have any "just switch for this ip" setting? |
| 04:43.19 | Gratz474 | howdo i know i am using x64 system? |
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| 04:43.45 | beardy | fogus: Right. Just connect it to "switch" and do what I said above, but to te correct ip address it uses. |
| 04:43.55 | DanDare | so im willing about being with Etch until they stop releasing security updates and then so go to Lenny. Is this tactic ok ? |
| 04:43.59 | fogus | beardy: what is "it"? |
| 04:44.03 | simonrvn | DanDare: you'd guess wrong |
| 04:44.07 | sircrazy_ | ok, i am having a little trouble. i installed the base system, no DE, for 5.0.2 using expert install. I get a non-stop relay that it can not enable my system fans. |
| 04:44.11 | fxiny | DanDare: no , is wrong |
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| 04:44.15 | sircrazy_ | is there a workaround, or am i done for |
| 04:44.20 | DanDare | ok so guys, thanks |
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| 04:44.23 | beardy | fogus: Your Debian that you want to ssh to. |
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| 04:45.10 | beardy | DanDare: No, read the release notes, upgrade to the urrent stable, Lenny. |
| 04:45.13 | fogus | beardy: then it cannot connect to the internet |
| 04:45.18 | beardy | current |
| 04:45.21 | fogus | beardy: ISA blocks linux completely |
| 04:45.43 | fogus | beardy: you have to have something called "microsoft client firewall" installed (it is a tunneling software) |
| 04:45.57 | beardy | dsl---switch----ISA |
| 04:45.57 | DanDare | beardy, i think the best is some fresh install right? good if i avoid "distro upgrade" apt ? |
| 04:46.11 | beardy | connect it to switch directly |
| 04:46.12 | fogus | beardy: updated: http://pastebin.com/d5db0c6d7 |
| 04:46.26 | fogus | beardy: notice "switch1"/"switch2" |
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| 04:47.15 | beardy | DanDare: No, upgrade, no need to reinstall at all. That is thinking from lesser distros. |
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| 04:48.15 | fxiny | nice one |
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| 04:48.43 | DanDare | ok beardy, thanks. I will try this way |
| 04:49.00 | beardy | !tell DanDare about etch->lenny |
| 04:49.36 | beardy | DanDare: No problem, good luck. |
| 04:49.48 | craigevil | reinstall? what the heck is that |
| 04:50.04 | fogus | beardy: connect debian to which switch? |
| 04:50.06 | fogus | beardy: notice "switch1"/"switch2" |
| 04:50.27 | beardy | No need to repeat. |
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| 04:50.56 | fogus | beardy: gotcha |
| 04:52.49 | beardy | fogus: Your debianbox should be connected to switch1, then you forward port 22 to it, "modem/router". |
| 04:53.24 | beardy | in modem/router* |
| 04:53.31 | fogus | beardy: ok |
| 04:53.51 | fogus | beardy: if I want to get a GUI on this box, what do you recommend I install? |
| 04:54.09 | beardy | fogus: X? |
| 04:55.34 | beardy | fogus: Your drawing is incorrect now, "debian" is really on the same level as "XP_computer now, isn't it? (irrelevant, but anyway) |
| 04:55.41 | beardy | !install x |
| 04:55.41 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 04:56.08 | fogus | beardy: no, wrong, debian box is on switch1, not switch2 |
| 04:56.27 | fogus | beardy: will it still work? |
| 04:56.50 | beardy | fogus: Ok, good. Yes, that's how it should be. |
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| 05:00.14 | sircrazy_ | ok, i am having a little trouble. i installed the base system, no DE, for 5.0.2 using expert install. I get a non-stop relay that it can not enable my system fans. |
| 05:00.22 | sircrazy_ | is there a workaround, or am i done for |
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| 05:00.52 | beardy | fogus: You just need to configure modem/router to forward port 22 to 192.168.2.10 then. |
| 05:01.18 | fogus | beardy: you are the dude |
| 05:01.23 | fogus | I'm IN |
| 05:02.02 | beardy | fogus: :) |
| 05:02.04 | fogus | beardy: and make ISA allow port 22 outbound |
| 05:02.18 | fogus | thanks man |
| 05:03.16 | beardy | If connecting from a machine connected to it yes. Is the ISA thing really a switch? Which subnet are the XP machines on? |
| 05:03.29 | fogus | the ISA thing is a deep packet inspection server |
| 05:05.20 | beardy | Yes.. but is it a router aswell? Are the xp boxes on 192.168.1.0? |
| 05:05.38 | fogus | beardy: the xp boxes are all on 192.168.0.x |
| 05:05.44 | fogus | so, yes, it is a router |
| 05:05.55 | beardy | fogus: Ok. |
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| 05:08.16 | sircrazy_ | ok, i am having a little trouble. i installed the base system, no DE, for 5.0.2 using expert install. I get a non-stop relay that it can not enable my system fans. |
| 05:08.25 | sircrazy_ | is there a workaround, or am i done for |
| 05:08.44 | fogus | beardy: why is there no highlighting? I am used to centos |
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| 05:12.54 | Akuw | i want to add a user to group vboxusers |
| 05:13.00 | Akuw | how can i do it |
| 05:13.05 | sircrazy_ | wishes someone knew |
| 05:13.41 | scroat | i installed tor, privoxy, tor button to iceweasel added--> forward-socks4a / localhost:9050 to /etc/privoxy/config and it doesn't even work |
| 05:14.14 | scroat | i dont get a 503, i just browses the web as if there were no proxy. and yes i set the proxy setting in iceweasels network settings |
| 05:15.32 | craigevil | scroat: what does http://www.privoxy.org/config/ show |
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| 05:16.09 | fxiny | privoxy ? 8118 |
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| 05:16.39 | fxiny | and a dot : forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . |
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| 05:18.07 | fxiny | add a dot ---> 127.0.1:9050 . |
| 05:18.50 | scroat | craigevil: hell yea thanx. Debian is cool. |
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| 05:20.07 | DanDare | while installing Lenny: "Configuring popularity-contest | The system may anonymously supply the distribution developers with statistics ..." If i choose YES so program will send the info once ? Or it will works more often after installation ? |
| 05:20.14 | DanDare | (pressed yes anyway) |
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| 05:20.42 | aplund | dpkg keeps giving me: "files list file for package `tomboy' contains empty filename" |
| 05:20.42 | dpkg | You are moron #2, aplund |
| 05:20.48 | aplund | hmm |
| 05:21.12 | aplund | BOFH bot? |
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| 05:21.36 | aplund | anway... is there anyway to reinstall it? I cannot seem to force it to uninstall |
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| 05:26.24 | aplund | hmm |
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| 05:29.37 | Gratz474 | whats the different between passive and non passive mode ftp |
| 05:29.40 | Gratz474 | anyone know? |
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| 05:30.48 | sircrazy_ | ok, I set up my ifconfig ip and netmask, i added a route to router, however my router uses a password, how do i add this password to the ifconfig? |
| 05:32.13 | Gratz474 | what way is faster |
| 05:32.18 | Gratz474 | passive mode ftp or non passive mode ? |
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| 05:33.46 | cmyers_home | Gratz474: I don't think either is faster, one works through NAT/firewalls better though |
| 05:33.50 | cmyers_home | the other is "ancient" |
| 05:34.04 | Gratz474 | which one works through nat better? |
| 05:34.16 | cmyers_home | google can probably answer that question. I don't remember off-hand =P |
| 05:35.32 | Gratz474 | i mean |
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| 05:35.33 | Gratz474 | hmm |
| 05:35.40 | Gratz474 | i dont think i am using pssive mode right now |
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| 05:35.53 | Gratz474 | maybe i should cause i am trying to dl something that is going so slow |
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| 05:36.39 | simonrvn | passive works better through 'firewalls' |
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| 05:40.01 | RunnerPack | I'm a relative n00b to linux and Debian in particular. How do I get out of X back to the shell (and what do I then type when I want to come back?) |
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| 05:42.25 | fogus | question, how would I go about getting python 2.6 on debian when only 2.5 shows up in aptitude? |
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| 05:43.18 | Lev_Davidovich | runnerpack |
| 05:43.30 | Lev_Davidovich | if you wish, you can kill your X server |
| 05:44.03 | Lev_Davidovich | typing "killall -9 xorg" on a REAL terminal |
| 05:44.10 | Lev_Davidovich | not an emulated terminal |
| 05:44.54 | Lev_Davidovich | on X, press CTRL+ALT+F1. That left you on a real terminal |
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| 05:45.22 | Micheletti | Tired of Niggers and their monkeyshines? Then join usa chimpout.com! We are not white supremacists! That is right! AtChimpout.com we value diversity of all human races. Asians, Whites,Semites, non-Negroid Hispanics, Indians, etc are all welcome. No NiggersAllowed. Join the Humanistic Alliance against the Feral Negro Beast at chimpout.com. http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
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| 05:46.02 | Lev_Davidovich | if you want |
| 05:46.08 | RunnerPack | Thanks Lev! What I would really like is a separate GRUB menu item that gets me just a shell (after login). But, I will start with that. :D |
| 05:46.16 | Lev_Davidovich | Micheletti: fuck you, damn spammer |
| 05:46.23 | Lev_Davidovich | gtfo |
| 05:46.41 | Klazzik | !ops Micheletti spamming |
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| 05:46.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: klazzik complains about: Micheletti spamming |
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| 05:47.04 | streuner | at this time calling ops? lol |
| 05:47.28 | Klazzik | at thjs time? |
| 05:47.31 | Klazzik | this* |
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| 05:48.22 | Lev_Davidovich | runnerpack: if you want back to X, then simply call xorg from the terminal, or if you're a classic man, you may type xinit. lol |
| 05:48.25 | streuner | !blairsmite Klazzik |
| 05:48.25 | dpkg | spins Klazzik at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 05:48.38 | RunnerPack | fogus: I think you need to add a line like: deb <server> lenny experimental <-- to your /etc/apt/sources.list and do: apt-get update. |
| 05:49.09 | fogus | RunnerPack: experimental? sounds like area 51 lab. might not be good |
| 05:49.13 | streuner | well, thats NOT a good idea, telling newbies about experimental |
| 05:49.13 | RunnerPack | That's what I thought, Lev :) |
| 05:49.24 | Lev_Davidovich | jajajaj |
| 05:49.25 | Lev_Davidovich | lol |
| 05:49.47 | RunnerPack | That's where it is... It's his problem if he wants to tank his system :P |
| 05:50.18 | Lev_Davidovich | maybe he wanted tell fogus about testing |
| 05:50.42 | fogus | streuner: how can I get different colours in my ssh terminal? like for executables/directories/ |
| 05:50.43 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python <-- thats 2.5 |
| 05:51.03 | streuner | !+tell fogus -about ask |
| 05:51.03 | dpkg | told fogus about ask. |
| 05:51.07 | RunnerPack | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python2.6 |
| 05:51.08 | Lev_Davidovich | fogus |
| 05:51.16 | streuner | omg |
| 05:51.29 | fogus | I could compile from source for the python problem I guess |
| 05:51.33 | Lev_Davidovich | you can edit your proper .bashrc file in your /home directory |
| 05:51.34 | streuner | RunnerPack: Please dont tell people about experimental here. |
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| 05:52.10 | streuner | RunnerPack: and, you REALLY need a very important reason in order to use experimental at all, IMO. |
| 05:52.38 | streuner | fogus: just read the man page about YOUR terminal-client |
| 05:52.48 | streuner | fogus: try man aterm or such |
| 05:52.58 | fogus | streuner: my terminal client being putty/ |
| 05:53.08 | streuner | well :-) |
| 05:53.14 | fogus | streuner: I thought this was bash |
| 05:53.33 | streuner | read the docs about putty then |
| 05:53.59 | Lev_Davidovich | bash is the binary on the server-side when you connect to a debian system, using windows, via putty |
| 05:54.23 | Lev_Davidovich | but i'dont know if putty supports colors :/ |
| 05:54.50 | RunnerPack | Well, thanks all! I'm out. Sorry for causing a war ;) @fogus: stay away from experimental packages! You'll go blind! XD |
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| 05:54.57 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: there are some "alias" lines. should I uncomment them? they say they are for avoidign mistakes. how do they help? |
| 05:55.02 | sircrazy_ | !tell sircrazy_ about sources.list |
| 05:55.15 | Lev_Davidovich | fogus: aliases? |
| 05:55.28 | Lev_Davidovich | you want allow the colors, don't you? |
| 05:55.37 | Lev_Davidovich | wait a minute |
| 05:55.46 | Lev_Davidovich | i'll check my .bashrc file |
| 05:55.51 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: it says "some more alias to avoid making mistakes". I wouldn't mind not making mistakes... |
| 05:55.55 | Lev_Davidovich | i don't remember all about this file |
| 05:56.06 | Lev_Davidovich | don't tpouch the aliases |
| 05:56.08 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: there are two sections |
| 05:56.18 | fogus | the alias lines are commented out |
| 05:56.25 | Lev_Davidovich | scroll until the end of the file |
| 05:56.49 | fogus | there are only about 15 lines |
| 05:57.01 | fogus | the last 3 are alias lines that are commented (#) out |
| 05:57.29 | Lev_Davidovich | sorry |
| 05:57.51 | Lev_Davidovich | i'm a bit confused xD |
| 05:57.58 | Lev_Davidovich | listen to me |
| 05:58.05 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: listening... |
| 05:58.13 | Lev_Davidovich | a few lines above the aliases |
| 05:58.17 | fogus | yes |
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| 05:59.12 | fogus | I'll paste the lines |
| 05:59.13 | Lev_Davidovich | there were a line telling "# uncomment for a colored prompt, if the terminal has the capability;" or something like that |
| 05:59.16 | Lev_Davidovich | NO |
| 05:59.25 | fogus | http://pastebin.com/d755d487c |
| 05:59.25 | Lev_Davidovich | don't paste on the channel |
| 05:59.28 | Lev_Davidovich | aaahhh |
| 05:59.36 | fogus | I've been told that a thousand times already |
| 05:59.36 | Lev_Davidovich | :) |
| 05:59.43 | fogus | !paste fogus |
| 05:59.43 | dpkg | fogus: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 05:59.52 | fogus | good to know, fogus |
| 05:59.54 | Lev_Davidovich | :) |
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| 06:02.07 | sircrazy_ | i am trying to use iwconfig to setup a connection with wpa. the step says i need dhcpcd which isnt instaled |
| 06:02.07 | fogus | so, which line numbers should I uncomment, Lev_Davidovich |
| 06:02.11 | sircrazy_ | where cna i find this? |
| 06:02.22 | Lev_Davidovich | wait |
| 06:02.32 | Lev_Davidovich | i'm writing an answer on pastebin |
| 06:02.34 | Lev_Davidovich | xD |
| 06:02.38 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: awsome |
| 06:04.16 | Lev_Davidovich | fogus: http://pastebin.com/dd7af929 |
| 06:04.28 | Lev_Davidovich | add these lines to your .bashrc file |
| 06:04.55 | Lev_Davidovich | well |
| 06:05.17 | Lev_Davidovich | first backup the original, you know, this can be wrong and all that shit |
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| 06:05.38 | sircrazy_ | where can i find this? |
| 06:05.42 | sircrazy_ | i am trying to use iwconfig to setup a connection with wpa. the step says i need dhcpcd which isnt instaled |
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| 06:06.17 | Lev_Davidovich | where can you find X software? |
| 06:06.22 | Lev_Davidovich | APT is the answer |
| 06:06.34 | sircrazy_ | Lev_Davidovich: ??? |
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| 06:06.48 | Lev_Davidovich | apt-get that |
| 06:06.51 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: these are additions to my file, NOT a replacement of the file? I should add these to the end of the file? |
| 06:06.54 | sircrazy_ | i cant connect to internet. the next step says i need dhcpcd |
| 06:07.05 | sircrazy_ | when i apt-get through the cd, it isnt there |
| 06:07.08 | sircrazy_ | i only have the first cd |
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| 06:07.18 | Lev_Davidovich | fogus: yep; add these to the end of the file |
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| 06:07.42 | Lev_Davidovich | wtf? |
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| 06:07.49 | Lev_Davidovich | sircrazy_ |
| 06:07.55 | johnf | is there a way to get buildd to rebuild a package or do you have to upload a new version? |
| 06:07.55 | Lev_Davidovich | Internet exists |
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| 06:08.36 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: it didn't change anything yet. restarting the ssh session... |
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| 06:08.41 | thefeds | !openbsd |
| 06:08.41 | dpkg | openbsd is probably a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. Two remote holes in the default install in over 10 years. |
| 06:08.50 | Micheletti | Tired of Niggers and their monkeyshines? Then join usa chimpout.com! We are not white supremacists! That is right! AtChimpout.com we value diversity of all human races. Asians, Whites,Semites, non-Negroid Hispanics, Indians, etc are all welcome. No NiggersAllowed. Join the Humanistic Alliance against the Feral Negro Beast at chimpout.com. http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 06:09.18 | acutedeath | wtf kill it |
| 06:09.32 | sircrazy_ | Lev_Davidovich: i have setup iwconfig and it says connected, i can ping the router, but i cannot connect when apt-get update |
| 06:09.39 | sircrazy_ | none of the files fetch |
| 06:09.42 | thefeds | Back in my day trolling meant something. |
| 06:09.48 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: some things are coloured |
| 06:10.20 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: like my name "root" |
| 06:10.24 | Lev_Davidovich | fogus: yeeeeeahh |
| 06:10.30 | Lev_Davidovich | enjoy that |
| 06:10.37 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: thanks |
| 06:10.48 | Lev_Davidovich | you're welcome |
| 06:10.51 | Lev_Davidovich | fogus |
| 06:11.09 | sircrazy_ | Lev_Davidovich: any ideas? |
| 06:11.29 | Lev_Davidovich | Would you like learn about ls colorisation? |
| 06:11.41 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: yes. |
| 06:11.46 | Lev_Davidovich | :D |
| 06:11.54 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: I uncommented some of those lines and I get some colorization |
| 06:11.54 | Lev_Davidovich | yes is the answer |
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| 06:12.33 | Lev_Davidovich | yep, you have a system, then you have a universe |
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| 06:15.17 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: I just installed python2.5. when I do "which python" I get nothing. do you know what's going on? |
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| 06:16.05 | Lev_Davidovich | sorry, i don't know wtf is going on because i have no idea about python |
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| 06:16.28 | Lev_Davidovich | but i can help you if you want learn some bash hacks |
| 06:16.43 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: I'm down for bash hacks man |
| 06:16.58 | Lev_Davidovich | such ls & grep colorisation, i.e. |
| 06:17.00 | fogus | I was just testing to see if I could get syntax highlighting in vim |
| 06:17.10 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/1484490 << anyone know how to fix this? openvz error |
| 06:17.49 | Lev_Davidovich | ok |
| 06:17.51 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: how does the colorization work? I like the pretty colours but I what do they all mean? |
| 06:18.03 | Lev_Davidovich | well |
| 06:18.05 | peterS | fogus: you have to install not only python2.5 but python |
| 06:18.15 | peterS | fogus: python provides /usr/bin/python, python2.5 provides /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 06:18.27 | fogus | peterS: I see |
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| 06:18.29 | Lev_Davidovich | it's only an aestethical thing |
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| 06:18.50 | Lev_Davidovich | except on ls |
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| 06:19.13 | fogus | peterS: It works! |
| 06:19.19 | Lev_Davidovich | on ls, blue is for directories, i.e. |
| 06:19.27 | Lev_Davidovich | but all is customization |
| 06:19.29 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: I see. |
| 06:19.36 | Lev_Davidovich | excuse my english level |
| 06:19.39 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: so I can change the colours around |
| 06:19.46 | fogus | Lev_Davidovich: where are you from? |
| 06:19.53 | Lev_Davidovich | do you know what is the "kalimotxo"? |
| 06:19.55 | Lev_Davidovich | xD |
| 06:20.11 | Lev_Davidovich | I'm from Galiza |
| 06:20.39 | Lev_Davidovich | In the western of Europe |
| 06:20.41 | Lev_Davidovich | lol |
| 06:20.41 | fogus | spain? |
| 06:20.49 | fogus | cool, man |
| 06:20.50 | Lev_Davidovich | GALIZA IS NOT SPAIN |
| 06:20.54 | Lev_Davidovich | lololol |
| 06:21.10 | fogus | oh. sorry |
| 06:21.17 | Lev_Davidovich | don't worry |
| 06:21.27 | fogus | is it this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain) ? |
| 06:21.28 | Lev_Davidovich | it was just some political shit |
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| 06:21.56 | Lev_Davidovich | yes |
| 06:21.58 | Lev_Davidovich | it is |
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| 06:22.23 | Lev_Davidovich | but i'm living in Buenos Aires, Argentina. (In south America) |
| 06:22.42 | fogus | oh. wow |
| 06:22.52 | beardy | How do I set an X environment variable, without restarting X? |
| 06:22.57 | fxiny | checks for galizia/extremadura/debconf2009 |
| 06:23.05 | Lev_Davidovich | lol? |
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| 06:23.34 | peterS | oh I thought extremadura was a different region |
| 06:23.44 | Lev_Davidovich | yes it is |
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| 06:24.16 | beardy | puts his hope to peterS. |
| 06:24.21 | hugo | hi |
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| 06:24.29 | beardy | lo |
| 06:24.57 | hugo | how much amount of space do you spare for swap? |
| 06:25.27 | beardy | Depends on how much RAM you have, if and how much swap you need. |
| 06:25.48 | hugo | 6G here |
| 06:26.00 | hoxu | hugo, I doubt you want swap then |
| 06:26.11 | beardy | Geez. |
| 06:26.18 | peterS | they keep saying the 2 x RAM number is obsolete, but it still seems fine to me |
| 06:26.28 | peterS | disk is cheap enough that even if that's too much swap, I don't really care |
| 06:26.54 | hugo | about 10 years ago, it's said user should set up 50% of ram for swap. i doubt it's still true these dyas |
| 06:26.54 | beardy | I'm sure you have atleast 50TB disk, so yeah, go for 12GB. |
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| 06:27.35 | peterS | now if it's an Eeepc with 4 GB of total disk, you have to be a bit more careful, but I don't think those things can hold 6 GB of RAM, so. |
| 06:27.37 | hugo | beardy: no, it's just 500G disk |
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| 06:27.59 | jony123 | i want to test the load cabibiltys of a newly built server |
| 06:27.59 | jony123 | program that i wrote. so i saying i need to dos it but would |
| 06:28.00 | jony123 | it be better for me to write this in bash or python |
| 06:28.00 | jony123 | the servers writen in python and i have a client program |
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| 06:28.10 | beardy | peterS: No, 2 is max on mine anyway. |
| 06:28.16 | hoxu | hugo, do you seriously expect to have over 6 GB of memory in use by applications, while having some in the background inactive so that they can be swapped? |
| 06:28.28 | fxiny | i think a stats recording swap usage app should be welcomed |
| 06:28.37 | hugo | i was a bit (or should i say too really long) away from linux world so i don't know much about best practice of these days |
| 06:28.46 | hoxu | fxiny, look at munin for example |
| 06:28.47 | beardy | fxiny: Welcome vnstat. |
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| 06:29.05 | fxiny | beardy: i have vnstat |
| 06:29.09 | jony123 | sorry i just didnt want to type that all out again |
| 06:29.15 | hugo | hoxu: it's not desktop use, but server so i think sometimes it can use 6G |
| 06:29.27 | fxiny | vnstat does not record swap usage |
| 06:29.29 | hoxu | jony123, so rewrite it into one concise line |
| 06:29.40 | DanDare | Right after installing Lenny i got: "error: driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting ..." and it boots but dont load any drivers. what can be ? |
| 06:29.46 | beardy | I meant vmstat. |
| 06:29.52 | fxiny | ahhh |
| 06:29.54 | fxiny | ok |
| 06:29.54 | beardy | M, sorry. |
| 06:30.21 | jony123 | i though it was as word wrap was on the text editor the i put it on. Anyone got any ideas? |
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| 06:30.31 | hoxu | hugo, well, you might want to go for swap then... but you probably want to set reasonable /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 06:33.47 | peterS | hoxu: more generally, no matter how much RAM you have, if you want to make good use of it, you should have some swap. otherwise, well, you can't use the RAM as efficiently, so why would you have bought it at all |
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| 06:34.34 | DanDare | ok |
| 06:35.31 | hugo | hoxu: i'd skip swap. if it'd need more, i'd add more real ram, it's cheap now |
| 06:35.38 | hugo | hoxu: thanks for the tip |
| 06:35.47 | beardy | If he intends to suspend to disk, swap is also needed. |
| 06:35.49 | jony123 | im going to make 10,000 conections to my server as fast as my laptop can go |
| 06:36.49 | hugo | beardy: i understand swap is just for space used when real ram is full, am i wrong? |
| 06:36.54 | fogus | beardy: can you get linux to suspend disks automatically? |
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| 06:37.04 | hugo | so it's called swap |
| 06:37.21 | peterS | hugo: no, swap is used for space when there are better things the OS could be using the real RAM for. doesn't mean it is actually out of real RAM at that point. |
| 06:37.25 | beardy | hugo: Yes, you are wrong. |
| 06:37.40 | beardy | What peterS said :) |
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| 06:38.07 | peterS | hugo: there are times when the OS judges that it's OK to throw out bits of a little-used process so it can hold more disk cache. that's where swap helps even if you have plenty of RAM. |
| 06:38.24 | hugo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.31 | fxiny | i like that , firefox is not a "better thing" that's why it swaps a lot :P |
| 06:38.37 | DanDare | in grub/menu.lst if i have "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet" i got and error at boot time: "error: driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting ..." and system boot but no more drivers loaded. If i have in grub: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro" so it works perfectly. |
| 06:38.44 | DanDare | this is any bug ? |
| 06:38.50 | hoxu | peterS, thanks for elaborating on that... but don't you need to tweak swap settings for that to happen? |
| 06:38.55 | peterS | hugo: I would. you may not need the 12 GB that "2 x RAM" suggests, but at least a few GB is probably better than not |
| 06:39.02 | beardy | fogus: I'm not talking about switcing of disks. I'm talking about writing the contents of RAM to disk and halting the system. |
| 06:39.44 | fogus | beardy: oh. is it possible to have disks suspend while the system is on after a certain amount of in activity? |
| 06:39.49 | peterS | hoxu: exact virtual memory behavior will certainly depend on your kernel version. but with systems I've used, they run more smoothly when I remember to activate a swap file or partition than when i don't. |
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| 06:40.21 | hugo | peterS: is there modern rule like 2 * RAM? |
| 06:40.33 | beardy | fogus: If you'd like that, I'm sure you could hook it to some acpi event, or a screensaver, or something. |
| 06:41.08 | peterS | hugo: that's a very old rule, the modern equivalent is dependent on your kernel and possibly other factors.... I think you can use less than 2 x RAM, but given how cheap disk space is, I just allocate that much. better to have too much than too little. |
| 06:41.35 | peterS | (if you have too little, the dreaded OOM killer disrupts your server processes at inconvenient times.) |
| 06:41.42 | fxiny | 2 * RAM is wrong , what if i use 8G and a 10G hd ? |
| 06:41.55 | fxiny | is an old thing |
| 06:42.06 | peterS | fxiny: if you spent money on 8 GB of RAM, why didn't you upgrade the HD? |
| 06:42.19 | beardy | When there's little RAM, I use more than 2x for swap. When there's enough, 1x, 2x, or less depending on what it will do and how much. |
| 06:42.32 | fxiny | peterS: you talking about logic :) |
| 06:42.33 | hugo | 2 * RAM is the only rule i know because i'm so old |
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| 06:42.48 | hugo | has been really long away from linux |
| 06:42.50 | beardy | fxiny: Then you can not balance a system. |
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| 06:43.09 | peterS | fxiny: in fact, where did you find a 10 GB HD to buy today? |
| 06:43.49 | peterS | I think we install 80 GB drives in the appliances we sell, not because they need more than a few GB, but because that's what we can get |
| 06:44.18 | hugo | things have been too much changed from the day i used linux much |
| 06:44.28 | hoxu | Linux: Tuning Swappiness | KernelTrap [ http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 ] |
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| 06:44.57 | hugo | i'm surprised debian installer is now so fancy gui |
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| 06:46.19 | fogus | beardy: I am hoping to make a file server. it would be nice if the disks would suspend after a certain amount of inactivity. is that possible? |
| 06:46.34 | fxiny | peterS: that's logic , but 10 years or so ago i had 32MB and a 4G hd , so 32*2 was acceptable . today 8G*2 is a waste |
| 06:47.47 | peterS | fxiny: so you had disk = 128 * RAM. today if you have 8 GB of RAM, multiply that by 128 and you get 1 TB. which is not unusual. |
| 06:48.00 | fxiny | peterS: and i did see swap filling up by , guess what ? , redhat when recovering a deleted file :) |
| 06:48.07 | peterS | a lot of people who are willing to buy 8 GB of RAM are also willing to buy 1 TB of disk |
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| 06:48.31 | hugo | but gui installer is, to me, just a eye candy. the usability hasn't change so much i think |
| 06:48.57 | peterS | hugo: indeed, the gui installer is very similar, functionally, to the text-based installer. I almost always use the latter |
| 06:50.07 | hoxu | peterS, I have 4 GB of ram on my desktop, and 1 GB of swap... it barely gets used ever with default swappiness |
| 06:50.21 | fxiny | peterS: btw . what happens now , with a 2.6 kernel , when swap gets filled up ? |
| 06:50.25 | hugo | peterS: but it's considered to be important factor. people might choose distro just because how pretty its installer is 9.9 |
| 06:50.41 | peterS | fxiny: the OOM killer kicks in and starts killing processes that seem to be memory hogs |
| 06:51.01 | fxiny | peterS: thanx :) |
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| 06:53.14 | hoxu | !swappiness |
| 06:53.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swapiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
| 06:53.46 | hoxu | bleh, broken links, got to fix those |
| 06:56.48 | hugo | hmm, non-gui installer is what i saw about 10 years ago. great |
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| 06:58.31 | hugo | omg, doesn't debian support rtl8111 81688 yet? |
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| 07:01.07 | beardy | Why would anyone need or want a damn gui for an installer. |
| 07:01.27 | hugo | beardy: just because it's pretty |
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| 07:02.08 | Coweater | testing has one |
| 07:02.29 | fxiny | how many times a day are you using that pretty gui ? |
| 07:02.35 | hugo | Coweater: the driver? |
| 07:02.51 | Coweater | no, a gui installer |
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| 07:03.03 | beardy | Didn't lenny too? |
| 07:03.12 | hugo | lenny also has one |
| 07:03.16 | fxiny | yes , i'm talkig about a useless pretty gui installer |
| 07:03.18 | beardy | I'm quite sure it does. |
| 07:03.34 | beardy | So why whine then. |
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| 07:03.49 | hugo | just ignore it,good old text installer is there still |
| 07:04.22 | hugo | any one succeeded to get RTL8111/81688 working? |
| 07:04.26 | gparent | I still consider a text installer that's basically an equivalent of a GUI one "GUI". |
| 07:04.40 | gparent | Unless it has you install it manually like Gentoo, it's really just like a GUI installer is. |
| 07:04.43 | gparent | Except uglier. |
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| 07:06.01 | hugo | hmm, cannot find any one get RTL8111/81688 working on debian |
| 07:06.16 | hugo | maybe should i try ubuntu or something. sit |
| 07:06.20 | hugo | shit* |
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| 07:07.11 | beardy | !not working |
| 07:07.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 07:07.47 | ltune | hi, i was googling for more than 15 min: I forgot how to set behaviour of bash of my current working directory.. i always get a full path where i am.. how to change to say see only the last two directories? |
| 07:07.50 | gparent | well its a NIC, there arent 2304234 ways in which he "cannot get it working". A 2 year old could figure out he means he can't access the network |
| 07:08.11 | marcel` | im installing the latest fluxbox with backports.org on my lenny box. im thinking of fetching xorg aswell with backports.org. is ther a reason i should NOT do that? |
| 07:08.15 | gparent | Unless it's a sound card in which case I'm completely off track |
| 07:08.32 | hugo | debian lenny installer does not detect my RTL8111/81688 ethernet card |
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| 07:09.00 | groton | which module to load to be able to read an SD card inserted in this hp8710w laptop? I have kernel 2.6.30 |
| 07:09.11 | gparent | Cool, just what I thought. I'm at least as smart as a two year old. |
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| 07:10.01 | ltune | groton usbcore i think |
| 07:10.02 | hugo | that makes me think i should try ubuntu or something instead of debian |
| 07:10.17 | fxiny | try the philosopher stone |
| 07:10.17 | beardy | Suit yourself. |
| 07:10.31 | hugo | realtek is still not the best choice for linux? |
| 07:10.38 | beardy | Either that or make it work, if Debian is what you want to run. |
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| 07:11.06 | ltune | hugo what kernel do you use? |
| 07:11.06 | hugo | beardy: i prefer latter |
| 07:11.07 | groton | ltune, yes, it is loaded, but nothing happen when i insert the sd card in the reader. "fdisk -l" does not show any new disk :/ |
| 07:11.33 | ltune | groton intall hwinfo and chceck with sudo hwinfo --usb |
| 07:11.37 | hugo | ltune: i'm using debian stable netinst image |
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| 07:12.57 | ltune | hugo, i remember i managed to install with realtek card a netinstall 3 or 4 years ago.. it should work.. maybe try also the testing netinstall and downgrade later to stable |
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| 07:13.29 | hugo | ltune: debian does not support downgrading ... |
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| 07:14.20 | groton | ltune, http://nopaste.com/p/aU2QTcdoQ |
| 07:14.21 | ltune | hugo, I mean do a dist upgrade form testing to stable or say squezze to lenny this always work.. just change sources in the apt file |
| 07:14.27 | fxiny | some realtek was already in the linux kernel while m$ asked for floppies to detect it |
| 07:15.00 | beardy | iter: No downgrading, does not work. |
| 07:15.01 | groton | ltune, there is not any card reader in the output :/ |
| 07:15.29 | Gratz474 | i installed sudo how can i install my user in it easily? |
| 07:15.45 | Gratz474 | is there any easy way to do that? |
| 07:16.00 | marcel` | how can i in a terminal see what version of debian installed? |
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| 07:16.02 | beardy | hugo: Boot with a newer kernel, pop in/mount te lenny installer, start it. |
| 07:16.05 | hugo | ltune: it might work but not supported |
| 07:16.28 | fxiny | marcel`: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:16.42 | marcel` | fxiny: thanks |
| 07:17.31 | fxiny | marcel`: np , and bout fluxbox , i used bpo fluxbox in etch , just that . no xorg , if you want bpo xorg just get it , nothing to do with fluxbox |
| 07:17.35 | hugo | beardy: could you tell me how can i boot with newer kernel? |
| 07:18.07 | ltune | hugo, what you mean it is not supported? you can jump distros like changing trains in London or Berlin tubes.. why should not be supported? work on your sources and then do apt-get dist-upgrade or somethink like this |
| 07:18.37 | ltune | groton, do lsub see if the bus is active |
| 07:18.42 | fxiny | marcel`: i'm not using fluxbox anymore , is too "clicky" for my taste . i use xmonad |
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| 07:19.16 | valan | lsusb, not lsub |
| 07:19.32 | groton | yes, lsusb, but yet not card reader in the output |
| 07:19.45 | groton | i guess i have to load ricoh_mmc module, gonna see if my kernel has it |
| 07:19.52 | ltune | groton, if it is not built in try pulling out lsub and put in and lusb again and see if anything changes.. thats how i detect faulty hardware.. try also dmesg | tail -10 |
| 07:20.11 | marcel` | fxiny: what bpo fluxbox and what do you mean with clicky? like using the mouse alot maybe? ill google xmonad |
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| 07:20.38 | fxiny | marcel`: yes , no mouse more life |
| 07:20.39 | groton | ricoh_mmc is not build, since it is experimental in 2.6.30. Now i selected it and gonna rebuild my kernel |
| 07:20.55 | ltune | hugo, woody, sarge, sid, etch, lenny, squeeze, you can have it all:) |
| 07:21.28 | marcel` | fxiny: i got almost everything shortcut'ed in fluxbox so i only need the mouse for browsing :) |
| 07:21.30 | ltune | but lenny or squeeze makes sense for most of us |
| 07:21.40 | marcel` | !bpo |
| 07:21.40 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 07:21.45 | marcel` | srry |
| 07:21.55 | marcel` | should have send that in query ;x |
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| 07:22.00 | fxiny | marcel`: be careful . xmonad is very addictive |
| 07:22.17 | marcel` | fxiny: hehe cool im reading about it now looks good |
| 07:22.21 | fxiny | marcel`: i spent a week diving into it :) |
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| 07:22.22 | hugo | ltune: it's one way process, you cannot go back |
| 07:22.33 | marcel` | fxiny: i wish i had a setup like this -> http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg |
| 07:22.44 | fxiny | marcel`: hehehe |
| 07:23.22 | macrobat | Gratz474: do you know how to use vi? |
| 07:23.33 | Gratz474 | i did it of course ;) |
| 07:24.00 | macrobat | you can sudo now? :) |
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| 07:25.18 | fxiny | marcel`: mouse for browsing ? check out vimperator ;) |
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| 07:25.27 | kripz | how to compare 2 directories to find the same files? |
| 07:25.30 | kripz | file names |
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| 07:26.02 | hugo | hmm, and i'd rather start with stale first, rather than start with cutting-edge testing or unstable |
| 07:26.02 | marcel` | fxiny: hehe the vimperator looks nice |
| 07:26.26 | cahoot | s/stale/stable/ ? |
| 07:27.10 | hugo | cahoot: haha, yeah stable |
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| 07:28.09 | hugo | looks like lenny is new enough kernel, 2.6.26. |
| 07:29.35 | hugo | does minor update get more hardware support, generally speaking? |
| 07:29.40 | hugo | in debian, of course. |
| 07:30.15 | hugo | debian 5.0.3 for example |
| 07:30.20 | craigevil | hugo: if you need a newer kernel you can get one from backports |
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| 07:30.55 | hugo | craigevil: sad i'm still in installing phase. |
| 07:31.50 | kripz | What is the opposite to diff? I need to find the same files |
| 07:32.37 | hugo | kripz: md5? |
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| 07:33.27 | ltune | hugo i successfully found the solution to "downgrade" the anser is pinning http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html now we all can come back to sarge, etch or whatever we want;) |
| 07:34.36 | simonrvn | kripz: diff will exit 0 if the fles are the same, and not spit out anything |
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| 07:34.47 | ltune | I guess this is how you define Programming deleting the "un" in unpossible |
| 07:34.48 | ltune | :) |
| 07:35.09 | cahoot | kripz: comm perhaps |
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| 07:36.18 | ltune | but anyways. can some tell me how to configure my bash to say display only 2 directories.. i always get a full path in xfce4-terminal.. |
| 07:36.30 | simonrvn | 'impossible' |
| 07:36.37 | ltune | ;) |
| 07:37.28 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 07:37.35 | hugo | ltune: yea but it's not a official. no one be sure whether it would work or not :) |
| 07:37.39 | kripz | How do i do comm "ls /foo" "ls /bar" |
| 07:37.43 | Sensiva | Hello all, I am trying to boot Debian installation ISO image from Harddrive (ISO file is placed in root of an ext3 partition), using Debian Installer hd-media, I followed directions from Debian Installer docu, but it can't find the ISO file, any ideas? |
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| 07:38.11 | simonrvn | kripz: what? |
| 07:38.14 | hugo | ltune: use sed or perl? |
| 07:38.32 | simonrvn | wth is "comm" ? |
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| 07:39.08 | cahoot | something like: comm <(ls dir1) <(ls dir2) ? |
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| 07:39.51 | simonrvn | missing a $ |
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| 07:40.08 | Gratz474 | how can i give a user access to /dev/fuse ? |
| 07:40.21 | ltune | hugo, i guess sed, cause it is installed.. |
| 07:40.24 | simonrvn | (i just checked what 'comm' is.. neat) |
| 07:40.40 | hugo | ltune: i think you have perl, too |
| 07:40.44 | cahoot | Gratz474: put user in fuse group |
| 07:40.53 | simonrvn | of course he has perl |
| 07:40.58 | Gratz474 | how do i add a user to that cahoot ? |
| 07:41.01 | kripz | To find the same files: comm <(ls dir1) <(ls dir2) -12 |
| 07:41.07 | kripz | thanks cahoot |
| 07:41.23 | simonrvn | oh, you're sub-shelling it |
| 07:41.38 | simonrvn | shuts up now |
| 07:41.59 | cahoot | simonrvn: if you speak to me I'm just cutting/pasting |
| 07:42.14 | cahoot | no deeper knowledge involved |
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| 07:42.43 | ltune | hugo, sure i even programmed one simple hello world.. because I need knowning the perl basics in my job.. but well i cannot find in my bash_rc or anything a perl program that would do this.. |
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| 07:43.36 | hugo | ltune: echo `pwd | perl -pe 's{.*(?=/\w+/\w+$)}{}'` |
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| 07:44.01 | hugo | ltune: not tested and should have many bugs, though |
| 07:44.30 | Gratz474 | i need to add my user to the fuse user group right to access /dev/fuse ??? |
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| 07:45.09 | mischief- | anyone here use yacpi? |
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| 07:47.00 | ltune | hugo, this also gives me a full path.. i mean if i am in /home/me/folder1/folder2/3/4 i just want bash to inform me i am not ltune@debian-lt:~/folder1/folder2/3/4 but i am ltune@debian-lt:3/4/: like this.. |
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| 07:48.08 | hugo | ltune: % echo /home/me/folder1/folder2/3/4 | perl -pe 's{.*(?=/\w+/\w+$)}{}' |
| 07:48.11 | ltune | someone told me 3 or 4 years ago how to do it.. but I forgot.. |
| 07:48.17 | hugo | ltune: gave me /3/4 |
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| 07:49.53 | hugo | how can i check if stable/testing/unstable have a driver for rtl8111 or not? |
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| 07:53.43 | ltune | hugo really working for me.. sure echo "anything" this works but not with pwd... comming back to your problem: /lib/modules/<kernel version>/kernel/net/ there it should be |
| 07:53.49 | cahoot | hugo: got its pciid? |
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| 07:54.30 | ltune | so check what is the linux-image you want and look what distro offers it.. |
| 07:55.35 | Gratz474 | # useradd -G fuse myuser |
| 07:55.35 | Gratz474 | useradd: user mylinuxuser exists |
| 07:55.41 | Gratz474 | is it trying to create it ? |
| 07:56.12 | hugo | cahoot: it's on board |
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| 07:56.24 | fxiny | adduser <user> <group> |
| 07:56.35 | cahoot | hugo: so? i still think it has a pciid |
| 07:56.44 | Gratz474 | how can i see groups on here i have ? |
| 07:56.55 | fxiny | id |
| 07:56.57 | hugo | cahoot: lspci gave me the id? |
| 07:57.14 | g00se | cat /etc/groups |
| 07:57.51 | hugo | cahoot: lspci | grep -i eth gave me nothing |
| 07:58.42 | g00se | Oops cat /etc/group |
| 07:58.44 | Gratz474 | how can i add my user to that group? |
| 07:59.12 | ltune | hugo try also lspci -n or lspci -nn |
| 07:59.31 | ltune | maybe it is called not eth |
| 07:59.37 | fxiny | Gratz474: i already told you , a new one : man adduser |
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| 08:00.22 | fxiny | Gratz474: type id or groups |
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| 08:00.36 | fxiny | or do the cat as g00se said |
| 08:00.37 | Gratz474 | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 08:00.39 | hugo | ltune: that also gave me nothing |
| 08:00.42 | Gratz474 | i had to use usermod |
| 08:00.53 | Gratz474 | if i add the user to that group will i have access to it or no ? |
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| 08:01.13 | ltune | hugo.. is there any pci you cannot account for? I mean do you now the other posisitons in lspci? |
| 08:01.14 | cahoot | Gratz474: logout/login user to see |
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| 08:01.25 | Gratz474 | i have to log back in ? |
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| 08:01.33 | g00se | Yes |
| 08:01.34 | ltune | hugo, maybe the hardware is faulty.. |
| 08:01.43 | cahoot | to update group memberships yes |
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| 08:03.37 | hugo | think it just don't have the driver |
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| 08:04.07 | ltune | hugo, lspci would give you anything plugged in |
| 08:04.14 | ltune | regardless the driver |
| 08:04.28 | Gratz474 | fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint /home/mylinuxuser/final |
| 08:04.31 | Gratz474 | what do i do here? |
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| 08:05.01 | hugo | ltune: hmm, weird. the adapter light is brinking |
| 08:05.02 | ltune | it would say something 00:01.0 PCI bridge: <blablabla i dont know it!> |
| 08:05.22 | ltune | hugo are you sure lspci is not showing it? |
| 08:05.37 | hugo | ltune: i think so. |
| 08:05.53 | cahoot | try dmidecode |
| 08:06.02 | cahoot | or hwinfo |
| 08:06.09 | Gratz474 | fusermount is not a user is it ? |
| 08:06.43 | cahoot | Gratz474: so what are the perms on /home/mylinuxuser/final? |
| 08:06.53 | hugo | no dmidecode and hwinfo here |
| 08:07.44 | ltune | hugo do a hwinfo --pci | less |
| 08:07.49 | Gratz474 | ahhhh |
| 08:07.59 | Gratz474 | cahoot, i created that before i changed groups |
| 08:08.00 | hugo | ltune: don't have hwinfo command |
| 08:08.01 | Gratz474 | i guess it matters |
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| 08:08.13 | ltune | than look for something like what looks like ethernet.. my is: Model: "Dell Optiplex GX240" |
| 08:08.39 | ltune | hugo aptitude install hwinfo .. it make life easy trust me |
| 08:08.59 | hugo | ltune: as i said, i'm still on debian installer |
| 08:09.19 | mischief- | hwinfo is nice |
| 08:09.21 | ltune | hugo. maybe abort and run the machine with a knoppix |
| 08:09.24 | Gratz474 | i would like to copy all the contents of one dir to another dir how can i do that |
| 08:09.25 | mischief- | should put it in the installer.. |
| 08:09.30 | Gratz474 | do i have to create the other dir first ? |
| 08:09.57 | hugo | ltune: ash on installer does not work for this? |
| 08:10.49 | ltune | hugo maybe you just try another install cd.. maybe a larger image than netinstall.. |
| 08:11.22 | hugo | ltune: do non-netinst image have more drivers? |
| 08:11.27 | ltune | netinstall should detect your ethernet by default.. if not it means it does not havbe the drivers.. |
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| 08:11.39 | kaktycenok | hello |
| 08:11.48 | hugo | ltune: that's what i'm thinking, too. |
| 08:12.12 | hugo | ltune: so i want to know if testing or unstable have the right driver |
| 08:12.18 | Gratz474 | will cp-R `/firstdir `/destination will that copy all the files and folders to that ? |
| 08:12.48 | Gratz474 | what does -f do ? |
| 08:13.08 | ltune | hugo, well at least you be able to do an offline install without ethernet and then download hwinfo<vesion>.deb +dependencies.. or plug in a wlan usb ... and notice antyting why your card does not work.. |
| 08:13.22 | g00se | Who are the best people (on irc) to comment on drivers in the current kernel(s)? |
| 08:13.39 | ltune | hugo, if it blinks, it means it's alive.. hardware faults are unlikely.. but maybe present |
| 08:13.47 | mischief- | probably the kernel channel |
| 08:13.55 | Gratz474 | what does the -f do in cp ? |
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| 08:14.59 | ltune | hugo download full stable.. install offline.. if it does not support you be able still to do a offcial dist-upgrade.. but this is not so much about the dist as the linux-image you are using.. it dependes soley uppon the kernel if it has support or not |
| 08:15.04 | cahoot | Gratz474: you want: man cp |
| 08:15.12 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 08:15.26 | Gratz474 | also how can i jump out of a long copy ? crtl z right ? |
| 08:15.37 | ltune | lol Gratz474, rtfm.. or go to rapidlibrary.com and search for good linux ebook:) |
| 08:15.42 | mischief- | hugo: if you're having installer trouble try fiddling with the installer options |
| 08:15.51 | Gratz474 | actually i have used linux alot just not recently |
| 08:15.54 | cahoot | Gratz474: try ctrl-c |
| 08:15.57 | g00se | mischief: So there's #kernel on 'our' server? |
| 08:15.58 | Gratz474 | hehe |
| 08:16.15 | Gratz474 | try c ends the process right? |
| 08:16.22 | cahoot | yes |
| 08:16.23 | ltune | <3 rapidshare:) good nice ebooks there:) well when i am rich i also will pay for them.. but now i am student:) |
| 08:16.33 | hugo | ltune: so testing or unstable is likely a better choice |
| 08:16.36 | Gratz474 | can i jump out of a long copy? and come back into it ? |
| 08:16.46 | ltune | hugo.. i think not |
| 08:16.49 | craigevil | hugo: you might try the kmuto installer |
| 08:16.55 | mischief- | g00se: my nick has a - at the end, and, i think this server. might be oftc. dunno. |
| 08:16.57 | Gratz474 | or will a copy not work that way ? |
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| 08:17.01 | ltune | download stable.. and then upgrade your kernel |
| 08:17.02 | hugo | ltune: why? |
| 08:17.10 | hugo | craigevil: what's that? |
| 08:17.12 | craigevil | !tell hugo about kmuto |
| 08:17.14 | ltune | it will tell you automaticly if it needs to dist-upgrade |
| 08:17.25 | ltune | hugo, lenny (stable) is a safe choice |
| 08:17.30 | g00se | mischief-: Sorry. Thanks - i'll give it a go |
| 08:17.50 | hugo | ltune: yea if it works for me :) |
| 08:17.53 | mischief- | g00se: mischief is me too, but you didn't highlight me :p |
| 08:18.20 | g00se | :) |
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| 08:19.04 | hugo | craigevil: well that image looks nice. thanks for the pointer |
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| 08:19.38 | ltune | hugo if you have broadband internet and not pay for mbs than nothing to worry for.. if yes.. testing (squeeze) will take lots of downloads / updates.. so you should try then stable and just buy new ethernetcard that is supported.. |
| 08:19.54 | Gratz474 | when i do a control z it suspends the job right? like ti stops right? |
| 08:20.03 | mischief- | Gratz474: yeah, bash job control |
| 08:20.07 | Gratz474 | i would like to just move it to the backgrond |
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| 08:20.10 | Gratz474 | not suspend it |
| 08:20.14 | Gratz474 | but yet be able to do thing |
| 08:20.29 | Gratz474 | or is it better to open another tty ? |
| 08:20.41 | mischief- | Gratz474: you can nohup it |
| 08:20.46 | hugo | ltune: so you suggesting newone distro, right? |
| 08:20.47 | mischief- | or ctrl-z then 'fg' |
| 08:20.54 | mischief- | er, 'bg' |
| 08:21.15 | ltune | hugo, or just take your machine with a generator (portable version have powet for 15 to 30 minutes) and do an upgrade with a wlan card at a free access point.. but taking your computer out to the free accespoint is not that convienient i imagine |
| 08:21.34 | mischief- | Gratz474: in bash, 'help jobs', 'help fg', 'help bg' |
| 08:21.38 | Gratz474 | so the job will automatically goto the background if afte ri i crtl z it hit bg ?? |
| 08:21.50 | Gratz474 | i hit |
| 08:22.12 | mischief- | Gratz474: yes. just type ctrl-z and then enter fg, and the current process will continue in the background |
| 08:22.26 | hugo | ltune: you guessed right |
| 08:22.26 | Gratz474 | why fg ? |
| 08:22.33 | Gratz474 | i mean |
| 08:22.34 | mischief- | stdin will still be operating so your console might get flooded with output |
| 08:22.38 | Gratz474 | will it continue ? |
| 08:22.38 | mischief- | i meant bg, sorry Gratz474 |
| 08:22.42 | mischief- | yes Gratz474 |
| 08:22.53 | mischief- | Gratz474: maybe you need to read about screen or nohup |
| 08:23.00 | Gratz474 | but i have to execute bg for it though right? |
| 08:23.24 | Gratz474 | if i just do crtl z it wont be doing anything right ? |
| 08:23.31 | Gratz474 | just paused? |
| 08:23.33 | mischief- | Gratz474: it will be stopped in the background. |
| 08:23.36 | mischief- | SIGSTOP |
| 08:23.44 | Gratz474 | and how do i resume it ? |
| 08:23.48 | mischief- | fg.. |
| 08:23.58 | ltune | hugo, i suggest: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/debian-502-i386-CD-1.iso cd1 has all you need for install |
| 08:23.58 | Gratz474 | fg or bg ? |
| 08:24.04 | mischief- | Gratz474: read the manpage and use bash built in help ffs |
| 08:24.07 | Gratz474 | its a cp it will take a long time |
| 08:24.15 | Gratz474 | i did i am veryfying |
| 08:24.16 | ltune | ;) |
| 08:24.16 | mischief- | play around with it and you will learn |
| 08:24.30 | Gratz474 | when i send something to the background is it still working or paused? |
| 08:24.38 | mischief- | for christ sake |
| 08:24.43 | mischief- | !rtfm |
| 08:24.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 08:24.47 | Gratz474 | When a job is suspended it can be moved back to the foreground with `fg` and placed in the background (where it will continue to execute) with `bg`. |
| 08:24.55 | Gratz474 | this is different then what your saying !! |
| 08:25.07 | Gratz474 | only reason i am asking |
| 08:25.09 | mischief- | no it isn't. |
| 08:25.21 | Gratz474 | you said for it to continue i need to move it to fg |
| 08:25.22 | fxiny | Gratz474: is not suspended , it let you using the term |
| 08:25.33 | mischief- | Gratz474: i corrected myself |
| 08:25.38 | ltune | Gratz474, try jobs |
| 08:25.39 | ltune | :) |
| 08:25.43 | Gratz474 | so crtl z just moves it to the background? |
| 08:25.46 | mischief- | Gratz474: if you can't understand bash job control, use nohup or screen |
| 08:25.51 | Gratz474 | still will run ? |
| 08:26.13 | ltune | Gratz474, it says "go sleep your naughty process:) " |
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| 08:26.46 | Gratz474 | so crtl z the jobs to see the job then bg thejobnumber |
| 08:26.48 | Gratz474 | right? |
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| 08:27.22 | ltune | open a few vim's or anyting do crtl+z then do jobs try fg <number> etc.. well learning bash is a try and succeed i think;) |
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| 08:28.07 | Gratz474 | -bash: bg: job 1 already in background |
| 08:28.11 | Gratz474 | does that mean its sleeping ? |
| 08:28.13 | Gratz474 | or running ? |
| 08:28.58 | mischief- | Gratz474: ... just use ps to find out if it is running or stopped if you really can't figure it out |
| 08:29.18 | ltune | Gratz474, some process like vim if in background go automatically to sleep.. but if you start iceweasel & it will start in background and not sleep |
| 08:30.26 | Gratz474 | in the ps how do i know if a job is asleep will it say it ? |
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| 08:32.49 | GhostlyDeath | I might as well play Arena Live |
| 08:32.53 | GhostlyDeath | it's Linux only! |
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| 08:33.30 | Gratz474 | ok in the du |
| 08:33.37 | Gratz474 | what is that size mb's ? |
| 08:33.58 | Gratz474 | or bytes what is that ? |
| 08:34.01 | sander_ | Hi. I have set up a viritual screen of 2560 1024.. and started grandr to get a dual screen setup.. but when I move one of the screens to the left it dosnt happend anything |
| 08:34.08 | mischief- | Gratz474: man du |
| 08:34.22 | ltune | Gratz474, i think top is better than ps for this |
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| 08:34.55 | ltune | ok hugo, good luck with your install, Gratz474 good look with the bash... see you all |
| 08:35.03 | mischief- | bye ltune. |
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| 08:35.07 | ltune | bye |
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| 08:35.36 | thefeds | !openbsd |
| 08:35.36 | dpkg | openbsd is probably a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. Two remote holes in the default install in over 10 years. |
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| 08:37.27 | Gratz474 | is this 28212 /home/linuxuser/test/ |
| 08:37.28 | Gratz474 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.34 | Gratz474 | is that 28 mb or 282 mb ? |
| 08:37.39 | ssm | "nearly as beloved". :) |
| 08:37.39 | Gratz474 | or 2.8 gb? |
| 08:37.58 | Gratz474 | what is the most accurate way to get the size of a dir ? |
| 08:38.08 | rozie | Gratz474: du -hs |
| 08:38.37 | mischief- | :| |
| 08:38.37 | ssm | rozie: that's the size of the non-deleted files below the current dir |
| 08:38.44 | Gratz474 | wow mb's |
| 08:38.57 | Gratz474 | that is so crazy |
| 08:39.03 | ssm | Gratz474: yep, why? |
| 08:39.05 | rozie | ssm: that's what he probably wants to get |
| 08:39.14 | ssm | rozie: :) |
| 08:39.16 | rozie | hello BTW |
| 08:39.22 | Gratz474 | i am doing a transfer ssm it must be going soooo slow |
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| 08:40.41 | ssm | Gratz474: I see. Slow medium, or slow connection? |
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| 08:41.11 | Gratz474 | sshfs to antoher server |
| 08:41.16 | Gratz474 | copying a large dir over |
| 08:41.16 | ssm | ah |
| 08:41.20 | Gratz474 | with cp |
| 08:41.28 | Gratz474 | its taking sooo long there is 3 gb |
| 08:41.39 | sylar | who do I find which program owns a port? |
| 08:41.55 | rozie | Gratz474: use tar in beetween |
| 08:41.55 | ssm | sylar: sudo lsof -i :portnumber |
| 08:41.58 | sander_ | What should I try instead when xrandr aint working? |
| 08:42.06 | sander_ | !xinerama |
| 08:42.06 | dpkg | somebody said xinerama was where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
| 08:42.07 | rozie | and scp |
| 08:42.26 | Gratz474 | rozie, what do you mean? |
| 08:42.35 | sylar | ssm, thanks. |
| 08:42.36 | Gratz474 | tar it on that end ? |
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| 08:42.44 | Gratz474 | and then transfer? |
| 08:42.55 | sylar | ssm, do you know if I can check for a free port range somehow? |
| 08:43.14 | ssm | Gratz474: then sshfs may be very slow. scp, rsync or ( ssh someserver "cd /somewhere && tar jcf - " ) | ( cd /somedir && tar jxf - ) are good alternatives |
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| 08:43.33 | rozie | http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html |
| 08:43.53 | rozie | Gratz474: archives and compression |
| 08:43.53 | ssm | sylar: if you do "sudo lsof -i", you'll see all open ports and connections |
| 08:43.59 | Gratz474 | what do you think would be the best alternative |
| 08:44.05 | Gratz474 | rozie, not enough space on disk |
| 08:44.12 | Gratz474 | for a compressed version |
| 08:44.23 | rozie | it works on the fly... |
| 08:44.30 | rozie | IIRC |
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| 08:44.43 | Gratz474 | you think tis just sshfs and i should just do ssh then? |
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| 08:44.52 | ssm | Gratz474: rsync, if there is a risk for disconnection, scp otherwise |
| 08:45.02 | rozie | ( tar -c /dir/to/copy ) | ssh -C user@remote 'cd /where/to/ && tar -x -p' |
| 08:45.12 | Gratz474 | i just need to do it now and i never used these things thats all |
| 08:45.12 | rozie | this one, exactly |
| 08:45.27 | rozie | if connection is slow, consider gzip in pipe |
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| 08:45.33 | Gratz474 | i dont have room for a tar |
| 08:45.45 | ssm | Gratz474: the tar writes to the ssh connection, not to the disk |
| 08:45.54 | rozie | Gratz474: this is a pipe |
| 08:46.21 | rozie | sshfs will be slow |
| 08:46.27 | rozie | 1. many transactions |
| 08:46.34 | sylar | ssm, but they aren't ordered, and some port numbers have names |
| 08:46.35 | rozie | 2. slow connection |
| 08:46.42 | rozie | 3. no compression |
| 08:46.49 | Gratz474 | its 2.5 gb's |
| 08:46.56 | ukl | hello. I just woke up and found my keyboard layout messed up (read: querty) after updating console-setup yesterday. Unfortunately, I never had to do with that since I installed this system, so could someone please hint me into the right direction on how to fix this (question mark here) 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' didn't really help |
| 08:46.59 | rozie | 4. CPU is used to encrypt content |
| 08:47.03 | Gratz474 | i now have 55 mb downloaded in the past 15 mins |
| 08:48.12 | Gratz474 | maybe i should just let it go |
| 08:48.18 | Gratz474 | might not be done till tomorrow though |
| 08:48.26 | Gratz474 | its just a slow thing n general rozie |
| 08:48.32 | Gratz474 | pure ftp it was taking forever |
| 08:48.36 | Gratz474 | so it might jsut be the m |
| 08:48.42 | davidef1986 | Gratz474: maybe you have just 500 kbit/s in upload on your connect... so how can you go faster ? |
| 08:48.43 | ssm | sylar: add -nP to lsof , and pipe to grep LISTEN |
| 08:48.54 | rozie | what connections do you have there? |
| 08:49.00 | Gratz474 | 2 from one dedicated to another |
| 08:49.16 | rozie | bandwidth limits? |
| 08:49.20 | Gratz474 | how can i see open connections ? i mean connection speeds ? |
| 08:49.24 | Gratz474 | maybe the datacenter did |
| 08:49.43 | rozie | how fast is copy from disc to disc on the same mashine? |
| 08:50.00 | rozie | and what data do you have there? |
| 08:50.03 | Gratz474 | they are both intel 2 duo |
| 08:50.05 | Gratz474 | core 2 duo |
| 08:50.18 | Gratz474 | just one is on a bad or restricted network or something |
| 08:50.26 | Gratz474 | how can i see how fast the connection is going ? |
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| 08:50.36 | Gratz474 | is there any good tools for that? |
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| 08:50.46 | Gratz474 | rozie, pics mostly |
| 08:50.50 | Gratz474 | videos as welll |
| 08:51.00 | rozie | it won't compress well |
| 08:51.16 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 08:51.22 | Gratz474 | i would like to see the speed of the conneciton |
| 08:51.42 | sander_ | xrandr aint working. Most likely because I have one grafic card with two vga outputs.. Its impossible to put one screen left of the other |
| 08:51.47 | ssm | Gratz474: try using "iptraf" in another window, I think that can show the speed of existing connections |
| 08:52.03 | sander_ | Anyone have a clue about a solution to this? |
| 08:52.08 | Gratz474 | is this good http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/iftop/ |
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| 08:52.27 | ssm | no idea, Gratz474 |
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| 08:53.13 | sylar | ssm, something is missing, I am using display numbers 3000 - 3005 which should translate to 8000 no? |
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| 08:55.02 | sander_ | Anyone know who's developing xrandr? |
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| 08:58.22 | derdada | hi guys, I'm using debian squeeze but wanted to install python2.6 from experimental. Therefore I downloaded the package and because of dependency also python2.6-minimal and installed it via dpkg -i <package>. The old python 2.5 is still installed. do I have to remove that python 2.5 so that every programm in now only using python2.6? |
| 08:58.45 | derdada | *is |
| 08:59.18 | sunru | derdada: hard to avoid. |
| 08:59.43 | derdada | a python --version outputs still python 2.5.4 |
| 08:59.59 | sunru | python2.6 |
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| 09:01.13 | Gratz474 | rozie, its getitng 17 kB a sec |
| 09:01.16 | Gratz474 | horrible |
| 09:01.47 | derdada | well but by removing python2.5 he wants to remove ia32-libs, lsb-release, openssl-blacklist, python-support,ssl-cert too. is that normal? |
| 09:02.15 | dutchfish | sander_, aptitude show libxrandr2 |
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| 09:03.35 | sunru | derdada: normal yes. |
| 09:03.44 | sunru | would I do it? no. |
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| 09:05.26 | sunru | derdada: been developing in a chroot with py2.6 and pg8.4dev, royal pain in the arse. |
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| 09:06.13 | derdada | really? oh haven't known that... |
| 09:06.25 | sunru | not mentioning the distro, which was another royal load of screw you. |
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| 09:08.19 | sunru | derdada: if it can't be clean on debian don't do it, but 2.5 apps SHOULD work with 2.6 (if you got 2.6 for 3.x specifics then it may require some manual work.) |
| 09:08.58 | sunru | i put sid on the dev system and haven't tried to install py2.6 whats the sources list for experimental? |
| 09:14.17 | derdada | it might be the following: |
| 09:14.17 | derdada | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 09:14.41 | sunru | yeh installs fine on sid |
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| 09:19.03 | sunru | derdada: sudo pycentral updatedefault python2.5 python2.6 |
| 09:19.16 | sunru | eww that didn't work |
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| 09:20.41 | Gratz474 | iptraf does not show speed |
| 09:20.42 | Gratz474 | wtf |
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| 09:21.10 | bike^ | uuuh |
| 09:21.13 | bike^ | chown mike * |
| 09:21.13 | bike^ | chown: invalid option -- 'p' |
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| 09:21.23 | bike^ | i know -R is missing btw |
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| 09:22.08 | mikexcr | :( |
| 09:22.21 | bike^ | giving the full path works but i've always used the * before |
| 09:22.25 | fxiny | bike^: mike.who ? |
| 09:22.37 | bike^ | me :> |
| 09:22.54 | bike^ | chown -R mike /home/mike/Amiga-AmiKit/Work/gnu/ |
| 09:22.54 | bike^ | worked |
| 09:22.55 | fxiny | chow mike.me file :P |
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| 09:23.05 | bike^ | hehe |
| 09:23.11 | bike^ | ioweu |
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| 09:23.37 | bike^ | weird anyhow, must be some weird bug in chown |
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| 09:30.32 | Gratz474 | all these tools are giving me different numbers |
| 09:31.25 | dustybin | are parts of gcc written in asm? |
| 09:31.48 | dustybin | bike^: you use amiga? |
| 09:32.19 | bike^ | yep |
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| 09:32.51 | bike^ | one of the few platforms where there isnt half a planet already doing shit |
| 09:32.59 | bike^ | you've used on then+ |
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| 09:34.21 | bike^ | dustybin, parts are asm yes, but i havent checked |
| 09:34.29 | bike^ | or oughta ba |
| 09:34.31 | bike^ | be* |
| 09:34.35 | dustybin | ok |
| 09:34.46 | bike^ | gcc has gotten slower these latest versions tho, producing slower binaries |
| 09:34.51 | dustybin | i used to own a amiga 500 / 1200 |
| 09:34.56 | dustybin | back in the demo scene days |
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| 09:35.08 | bike^ | gcc333 and 340 produce faster binaries then 433 440 |
| 09:35.19 | dustybin | ok |
| 09:35.24 | bike^ | nice, mostly using a 1200 these days, got a tvtuner set up |
| 09:35.35 | dustybin | tvtuner and amiga? |
| 09:35.36 | bike^ | using tvtime i can get 768x5XX |
| 09:35.40 | bike^ | or something like that |
| 09:35.43 | bike^ | on composhite |
| 09:35.55 | dustybin | can one install linux on a amiga 1200 ? |
| 09:35.57 | bike^ | yeah, using linux here to display it |
| 09:36.04 | bike^ | you can yes, its not trivial |
| 09:36.06 | action09 | hi all |
| 09:36.07 | dustybin | haha |
| 09:36.13 | bike^ | i wrote a guide on installing debian on amiga, |
| 09:36.18 | bike^ | linuxonamiga.org or something |
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| 09:36.50 | dustybin | hehe |
| 09:36.52 | bike^ | and for some bizzare reason the pcmcia nics were all used to in amigaos isnt supported |
| 09:37.46 | dustybin | ok |
| 09:37.56 | bike^ | gonna be building a apt dpkg system for the *nix part of things, made easy with the ixemul library... but the dep three of apt is scaring me |
| 09:38.30 | dustybin | right ok |
| 09:39.10 | bike^ | not having fork() is a *itch tho |
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| 09:39.26 | action09 | http://paste.debian.net/41007/ <---- someone curious on messages found on a box, this box was frozen and need reboot, any clue please ? i think on a memory problem, hardware ? your position requested please :) |
| 09:39.27 | bike^ | makes compiling and porting ... very interestig |
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| 09:50.20 | Gratz474 | does a big K mean its a kilobyte |
| 09:50.27 | Gratz474 | or does it have to be a big B ???? |
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| 09:56.10 | dbbolton | when i try to log in to kde or gnome, the session doesn't start. i just get a pointer. any suggestions? |
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| 09:57.17 | fxiny | dbbolton: home full ? |
| 09:57.37 | dbbolton | fxiny not even close. but i was able to log in to failsae gnome |
| 09:57.42 | hugo | downloading kmuto image, so slow |
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| 10:01.40 | action09 | i think it's a memory problem or an memory allocation problem .. maybe ulimit it or change memory hardware.. i dunno :( |
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| 10:04.05 | dbbolton | i've tried to log in to kde, gnome, and plain openbox, but none of them will load. |
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| 10:10.10 | hugo | didn't know debian uses more recent linux kernel than centos |
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| 10:10.35 | shanker | : Lol boobs |
| 10:11.52 | hugo | maybe it's a myth now that debian is considered to be using old software? |
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| 10:12.09 | dbbolton | it's also pretty much impossible to google for said problem |
| 10:12.21 | mosno | hugo: lenny was released a long time after rhel5 |
| 10:12.44 | mosno | hugo: not sure what you expected to happen |
| 10:12.47 | hugo | mosno: so it's just a problem of timing? |
| 10:12.59 | mosno | hugo: what's the problem? |
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| 10:13.13 | hugo | mosno: no problem, just curious |
| 10:14.09 | craigevil | hugo: stable does get old because it only gets security and bugs fixes, thats where backports comes in |
| 10:14.55 | craigevil | figure debian only releases about every 2yr, so by the time the next release comes out stable is a bit old |
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| 10:19.16 | hugo | craigevil: as far as i know, centos has the same release cycle. so which is newer is the problem of timing i guess. |
| 10:19.43 | hugo | btw, i'm now downloading kmuto image, craigevil |
| 10:19.43 | mosno | hugo: how do debian and centos have the same release cycle? |
| 10:20.01 | hugo | mosno: 2yr release cycle |
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| 10:20.49 | mosno | hugo: neither is on a 2 year cycle |
| 10:21.14 | hugo | mosno: oh really? |
| 10:21.29 | mosno | ya rly |
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| 10:24.34 | hugo | mosno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases |
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| 10:27.40 | mosno | hugo: what's your point? |
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| 10:27.55 | hugo | i think you're wrong |
| 10:28.01 | mosno | hugo: yes. you *think*. |
| 10:28.24 | valan | eh debian does tend to use old software ;) |
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| 10:29.21 | fxiny | old is beautiful : read mutt&friends |
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| 10:29.36 | valan | depends |
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| 10:30.08 | fxiny | mutt screen irssi ... |
| 10:30.19 | hugo | being old is not itself a virtue but stability is. |
| 10:30.22 | cahoot | pacman |
| 10:30.27 | shacoshe | hello can someone help me. |
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| 10:30.40 | shacoshe | i have problem install net-inst |
| 10:30.45 | valan | pong |
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| 10:30.52 | shacoshe | it freeze on 5% |
| 10:30.53 | hugo | shacoshe: me too :) |
| 10:31.30 | shacoshe | i was thinking about installing grub ,and on boot install all manually |
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| 10:31.36 | shacoshe | but i cant install grub |
| 10:31.38 | valan | i can't count past 5 either |
| 10:31.50 | sunru | greest |
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| 10:32.10 | shacoshe | whell i i whould know more i sould give u more info |
| 10:32.15 | shacoshe | can someone direct me |
| 10:32.26 | shacoshe | whell = well |
| 10:32.28 | fxiny | hugo: and , is not a "myth then debian is considered..." but is : "debian is a myth" , plain as water ;) |
| 10:32.52 | sunru | shacoshe: sid? |
| 10:33.02 | shacoshe | no |
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| 10:33.09 | shacoshe | etch |
| 10:33.17 | sunru | on install? |
| 10:33.21 | sunru | debian installer? |
| 10:33.24 | shacoshe | and net-inst disk that i downloaded 5 month ago |
| 10:33.30 | shacoshe | net-install |
| 10:33.51 | hugo | debian is a myth? kidding :) |
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| 10:34.09 | fxiny | it is |
| 10:34.16 | shacoshe | it freeze after chosing what to install (desktop ,web server , etc..) |
| 10:35.04 | sunru | i actually think time travel is possible, however only in one direction, forward. |
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| 10:35.15 | shacoshe | also tried to download "debian-502-i386-DVD-1.iso" but its not booting from the disk |
| 10:35.24 | fxiny | dbbolton: so ? can you log in as root ? |
| 10:35.30 | lfamorim | How can I upgrade my 32 debian lenny to 64? |
| 10:35.37 | sunru | wtf |
| 10:35.40 | lfamorim | 32 bits ;! |
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| 10:37.11 | valan | download the 64bit installer and reinstall |
| 10:37.18 | dbbolton | fxiny i have graphical root login disabled |
| 10:37.30 | dbbolton | i guess i could make a new user and try that |
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| 10:37.38 | hugo_ | still 32 is faster than 64 in most arch |
| 10:38.03 | valan | in some cases |
| 10:38.28 | valan | neither 32 or 64 bit is always going to be faster than the other |
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| 10:39.10 | hugo_ | yea it depends |
| 10:39.30 | hugo_ | 64 is about ram |
| 10:39.45 | valan | there's much more to it then ram |
| 10:39.45 | hugo_ | not the speed |
| 10:40.02 | hugo_ | intereating |
| 10:40.18 | valan | you don't even need 64 bit to use 4gb+ ram |
| 10:40.32 | hugo_ | like? |
| 10:40.37 | valan | google |
| 10:40.48 | OpenTokix | hugo_: you can use the -bigmem-kernel |
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| 10:41.43 | hugo_ | advantage disadvanrage of 64 32 ? |
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| 10:42.21 | valan | google tells all |
| 10:43.24 | hugo_ | valan: how? |
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| 10:44.53 | valan | by going to google and searching for something like "64 bit advantages" |
| 10:45.17 | valan | it will come up with all sorts of good info |
| 10:45.20 | hugo_ | definitely ram is the one of the advantages of 64 |
| 10:45.56 | valan | depends on the application, like already stated you don't need 64 bit to utilize more ram |
| 10:46.15 | abrotman | how is RAM an advantage ? |
| 10:46.48 | hugo_ | you can use more ram |
| 10:46.57 | valan | ... |
| 10:47.02 | hugo_ | in a process |
| 10:47.39 | abrotman | that's not "more RAM" .. |
| 10:48.03 | hugo_ | how so? |
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| 10:48.17 | shacoshe | please help ,netinst ,cant install grub on /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 |
| 10:48.18 | abrotman | what is RAM? what is Memory? |
| 10:49.06 | pingouin | i got 4 modules of 1g ram |
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| 10:49.33 | pingouin | debian 32 bits : free -m or /proc/meminfo tell me : 4053 |
| 10:49.47 | pingouin | debiant 64 bits tell me : 3967 |
| 10:49.52 | pingouin | why ? |
| 10:50.03 | lionel1 | hi |
| 10:50.04 | hugo_ | abrotman:? |
| 10:50.30 | valan | 64 bit uses a little more memory, but there's still other factors that might be involved pingouin |
| 10:50.37 | lionel1 | ça parle le français dans le coins lol |
| 10:50.55 | pingouin | lionel1: #debian-fr or such should make it |
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| 10:51.09 | pingouin | valan: which factors can i check ? |
| 10:51.13 | lionel1 | ?? |
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| 10:51.32 | valan | not really much you can check |
| 10:51.32 | lionel1 | pingouin: ?? |
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| 10:51.37 | abrotman | !fr |
| 10:51.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:52.22 | msl_ | Hello all. |
| 10:52.28 | pingouin | valan: you mean....if all the memory is not seen by debian 64 bits, it's not a "problem" it's ok, i should not care about ? |
| 10:53.15 | enouf | # lpr -P HP_Deskjet_6500_USB_1 /home/stompthebozo/TUB-SURROUND.pdf |
| 10:53.16 | msl_ | Is there anybody here who's knowledgable about switching authentication methods under Debian and willing to answer a question or two? I could use some help. |
| 10:53.16 | enouf | lpr: Not allowed to print. |
| 10:53.22 | enouf | how is that possible? |
| 10:53.25 | valan | oh that's the total memory you list there? |
| 10:53.33 | enouf | i'm root! ;-) |
| 10:53.43 | inckie | msl_ aask your question |
| 10:53.46 | inckie | ask* |
| 10:53.55 | pingouin | valan: yes, it is the total memory i've listed above, given by a free -m of /proc/meminfo |
| 10:54.03 | lionel1 | ok pingouin toi tu speak le franco |
| 10:54.12 | fxiny | bozo's can't be printed :P |
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| 10:54.20 | fxiny | enouf: !! |
| 10:54.28 | pingouin | lionel1: i dont speak french on #debian |
| 10:54.38 | msl_ | inckie: thanks. I have a Debian server here that's set up to auth against LDAP. The client wants to be able to use Webmin to manage accounts, and Webmin doesn't like managing Samba accounts in LDAP. |
| 10:54.38 | enouf | fxiny: !! O_O .. i got me some porbs! |
| 10:54.38 | pingouin | lionel1: to speak french, go on #debian-fr |
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| 10:54.43 | lionel1 | thank you |
| 10:54.45 | sdx23 | enouf: are you in the group "lpadmin"? |
| 10:54.54 | fxiny | enouf: sunday porbs ? |
| 10:54.54 | lionel1 | excuse me |
| 10:55.03 | pingouin | lionel1: if i come to #debian, it's because i dont want to deal with f frogs |
| 10:55.09 | msl_ | So he'd like it switched back to shadow authentication. I've gone from shadow to LDAP many times, but doing it the other way is new to me. |
| 10:55.11 | lionel1 | my english is so poor |
| 10:55.14 | enouf | fxiny: going to the Beach (ocean) in ~ 15 min ;-) |
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| 10:55.46 | pingouin | valan: it's not good i guess ? |
| 10:55.48 | fxiny | enouf: you ! i can't do that ! only a dive in the well :P |
| 10:55.48 | msl_ | And ideally, I'd like to be able to just extract Samba passwords from LDAP and write them to tdbsam. |
| 10:56.03 | msl_ | Is there a howto for this anywhere that I could consult? |
| 10:56.33 | pingouin | lionel1: /join #debian-fr |
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| 10:57.14 | enouf | fxiny: watch out for the HUMONBOUS Toads! @_@ |
| 10:57.15 | lionel1 | thank you for this answers |
| 10:57.23 | enouf | fxiny: er humongous |
| 10:57.36 | fxiny | enouf: hehehe |
| 10:57.46 | msl_ | Or am I going to have to recreate all user accounts and groups outside of LDAP and change permissions to the new UIDs and GIDs, and reset passwords? |
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| 11:02.06 | msl_ | Actually...is there a channel here dedicated to Samba and/or LDAP support? |
| 11:02.37 | hugo | hey, kmuto image does not work either. |
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| 11:05.57 | msl_ | inckie? Any ideas? |
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| 11:06.24 | dbbolton | fxiny: for future reference, the problem was a bad line in my ~/.profile |
| 11:06.43 | fxiny | dbbolton: ok |
| 11:06.48 | fxiny | dbbolton: nice |
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| 11:07.20 | inckie | msl_ nope, what i ment was, ask your question out in this channel, and if somebody has any ideas they will probably answer. Asking if someone knows and answer to question, is not a good idea |
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| 11:07.48 | msl_ | Ah, okay. Thanks. |
| 11:07.56 | dbbolton | fxiny luckily i figured it out. the alternative was to delete every config file in ~ and start anew :D |
| 11:08.32 | JyZyXEL | how does dpkg upgrade an application that is currently running? |
| 11:08.50 | msl_ | Actually, I could ask the client's onsite support person to get a list of current passwords from his users, and then just create all the accounts with smbpasswd |
| 11:09.09 | azeem_ | JyZyXEL: it's Unix, currently running applications will usually be not affected |
| 11:09.19 | JyZyXEL | yea i know but how can it do that |
| 11:09.26 | azeem | what is "it"ß |
| 11:09.27 | azeem | ? |
| 11:09.38 | mesa_booger | JyZyXEL: it upgrades the files. if it is a recognised service, it restarts it. otherwise you wait until the next launch |
| 11:09.59 | JyZyXEL | well i just upgraded znc from 0.060 to 0.070 from backports |
| 11:10.05 | fxiny | dbbolton: right |
| 11:10.07 | JyZyXEL | but now when i do znc --version it says 0.060 |
| 11:10.17 | JyZyXEL | do i need to kill my znc and then it magically changes to 0.070 |
| 11:10.23 | azeem | what is znc |
| 11:10.30 | azeem | is it running in the background or something? |
| 11:10.34 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 11:10.41 | azeem | sure, then you'd need to restart it |
| 11:10.43 | JyZyXEL | it was running when i upgraded and it still is running |
| 11:10.57 | JyZyXEL | so dpkg has a process monitoring when i shutdown the old version |
| 11:10.58 | azeem | "currently running applications will usually be not affected" |
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| 11:11.03 | azeem | JyZyXEL: no |
| 11:11.24 | msl_ | Cheers, all. |
| 11:11.28 | JyZyXEL | well when i do znc --version it still says i have the old version |
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| 11:11.44 | azeem | JyZyXEL: then maybe that's a bug in znc |
| 11:11.49 | mesa_booger | it's all about code segment sharing between processes |
| 11:11.53 | azeem | you can check the md5sum of the executable |
| 11:12.09 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 11:12.24 | JyZyXEL | so it might infact be the old version in the memory answering |
| 11:12.27 | mesa_booger | if there is an old version running, it uses the same already loaded code segment |
| 11:12.42 | JyZyXEL | ohh well that makes sense |
| 11:12.54 | azeem | depends on how znc works |
| 11:12.59 | JyZyXEL | so it infact will be like magic once i kill the old one! |
| 11:13.03 | mesa_booger | so just kill off the old ones, start again, and you will be home free ... |
| 11:13.11 | JyZyXEL | it magically turns to newer version yay |
| 11:13.35 | mesa_booger | azeem: no, it depends on how linux loads processes |
| 11:13.55 | azeem | mesa_booger: I don't think so |
| 11:14.08 | mesa_booger | azeem: i don't give a damn what you think |
| 11:14.24 | azeem | oh well |
| 11:16.28 | g00se | Why would /tmp suddenly be ro to me? smart health check passes ... |
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| 11:18.41 | cantido | g00se: tmp is usually a tmpfs.. in memory |
| 11:19.18 | JyZyXEL | man why is it that no terminal emulator handles long lines properly |
| 11:20.06 | g00se | cantido: but it's suddenly gone read-only on me... |
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| 11:20.38 | mesa_booger | g00se: if you are being your normal user, some files and dirs in /tmp will be ro, if it is mode 1777 (sticky dir bit) |
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| 11:22.11 | mesa_booger | in other words, files and dirs in /tmp (if it is 1777 = drwxrwxrwt) can only be modified/deleted by the user that created them |
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| 11:22.37 | g00se | mesa_booger: I've never been forbidden from writing into /tmp before |
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| 11:23.04 | g00se | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2009-07-05 09:00 tmp |
| 11:23.08 | mesa_booger | well that's a different issue. so you can't create a new file/dir ? |
| 11:23.29 | mesa_booger | hang on. that's mode 755 owned by root |
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| 11:23.46 | g00se | mesa_booger: Yes. To me it's ro |
| 11:24.02 | mesa_booger | you need to change the perms of /tmp to 777 or 1777 |
| 11:24.26 | g00se | mesa_booger: But why? This has happened in the last few mins |
| 11:24.41 | azeem | g00se: because something screwed it up |
| 11:24.47 | mesa_booger | g00se: well what have you been messing with ? |
| 11:25.00 | g00se | mesa_booger: No messing |
| 11:25.10 | azeem | g00se: did you run chmod on some directory as root? |
| 11:25.35 | mesa_booger | g00se: so you haven't made any changes to the system, and suddenly /tmp changed it's permission bits ... |
| 11:25.47 | g00se | mesa_booger: afaik yes |
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| 11:28.43 | g00se | All very weird. nm, changed perms |
| 11:28.52 | meglo | Will anyone join me in #debian-bsd? It is kinda lonely in there being all by myself ;_; |
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| 11:29.23 | meglo | A portal: #debian-bsd |
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| 11:29.56 | azeem | meglo: most Debian channels are on OFTC |
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| 11:30.14 | azeem | there's #debian-kbsd on OFTC |
| 11:30.24 | meglo | azeem: I suspected as much yeah. |
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| 11:31.04 | paxcoder | direct me to the nearest geek chatroom, please |
| 11:31.11 | abrotman | #defocus |
| 11:32.07 | paxcoder | o.O umm |
| 11:32.28 | paxcoder | you can do better than that :-) |
| 11:32.47 | azeem | paxcoder: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 11:33.16 | paxcoder | azeem: no, sorry. spare your answers for someone else. |
| 11:33.32 | meglo | tsssk |
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| 11:35.02 | abrotman | paxcoder: /msg alis help ... enjoy |
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| 11:36.09 | rsa_md5 | This article on debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 mentions the use of apt-proxy in the mirror option...does it mean that the packages should already be present on the machine running apt-proxy? |
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| 11:48.23 | yurikoles | plz, gimme debian's packages search plugin for FF |
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| 11:51.21 | Padhu1 | LDSP is available in debian repository? |
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| 11:56.35 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 11:58.16 | Padhu1 | LDSP is available in debian repository? |
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| 11:59.08 | hoxu | !search |
| 11:59.08 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 12:02.52 | hanibana | hi friends... |
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| 12:03.49 | hanibana | see this document: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html I want to know whether such docs are specific to Debian Etch or what version? |
| 12:04.34 | azeem | hanibana: it's for the development version |
| 12:04.35 | azeem | !ig |
| 12:04.36 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 12:04.46 | azeem | hanibana: ^^ that's the official location |
| 12:04.46 | klbate | When df lists a separate "overflow" filesystem mounted at /tmp, what's going on? |
| 12:04.57 | klbate | I don't have /tmp on it's own partition. |
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| 12:07.03 | fxiny | klbate: less /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp |
| 12:07.40 | klbate | Ah. |
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| 12:08.33 | klbate | That's what I get for following the undersized recommendations for the / filesystem in the installer. :( |
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| 12:10.30 | fxiny | my / are just 3.5G or 4G . i keep 'em clean , LVM can be handy |
| 12:11.42 | fxiny | so , i bet yours is larger |
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| 12:12.34 | klbate | Yes, 6 GB or so. |
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| 12:13.18 | hanibana | thank you so much azeem :) |
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| 12:13.25 | deebee | hello |
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| 12:17.58 | yurikoles | hi |
| 12:18.29 | klbate | Do 64 bit packages generally use more disk space when installed than 32 bit packages? |
| 12:18.46 | azeem | klbate: yes |
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| 12:20.08 | Black_Phantom | klbate, even more RAM make note |
| 12:20.30 | klbate | Hm. Maybe it isn't worth it running a 64-bit system just because the CPU is an AMD64. |
| 12:20.51 | Black_Phantom | klbate, depending in your needs |
| 12:20.54 | Black_Phantom | on* |
| 12:20.55 | jelly-home | klbate: depends on your workload |
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| 12:21.53 | Padhu1 | LDSP is available in debian repository? |
| 12:22.07 | paxcoder | can anyone tell me how to change default gnome file manager (back to nautilus), ever since I've installed filelight, it started using it instead of nautilus |
| 12:22.16 | d_b | klbate: depends on whether or not running 64bit has any drawbacks for you. It didn't for me so I'm running it anyway. |
| 12:22.17 | yurikoles | go to the http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
| 12:22.27 | yurikoles | then click on AMD64 |
| 12:22.39 | yurikoles | 404 get |
| 12:22.52 | azeem | klbate: OTOH 64bit on amd64 is usually faster because more registers are available |
| 12:22.57 | abrotman | yurikoles: what are you looking for? the lenny installation manual ? |
| 12:23.14 | azeem | yurikoles: you shouldn't install testing |
| 12:23.15 | yurikoles | hello! lenny is stable |
| 12:23.20 | yurikoles | why? |
| 12:23.20 | azeem | install stable, and upgrade to testing |
| 12:23.30 | azeem | yurikoles: because it's not tested at all |
| 12:23.38 | azeem | it's just a snapshot, and not supported here |
| 12:23.41 | klbate | azeem: Right, and I do want the fast because I'd like to play with realtime audio effects and synthesis. |
| 12:23.44 | yurikoles | double download? no way! |
| 12:23.46 | abrotman | yurikoles: install lenny, then upgrade from there if you really must |
| 12:23.48 | klbate | But I'm running out of disk. |
| 12:23.53 | azeem | yurikoles: *shrug* |
| 12:24.00 | yurikoles | forgot that |
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| 12:24.16 | abrotman | yurikoles: you're going to end up probably double downloading anyways ... the packaages will all change in a few week's time |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | yurikoles: if you don't want to keep downloading, use stable |
| 12:24.24 | yurikoles | i will download testing weekly using 5.01 as source |
| 12:24.32 | yurikoles | with jigd-lite |
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| 12:25.43 | yurikoles | why http://ua.debian.org/ don't works? |
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| 12:26.04 | yurikoles | it's so borring to add "www" http://www.ua.debian.org/ |
| 12:26.07 | azeem | yurikoles: why do you think it should work? |
| 12:26.24 | azeem | yurikoles: how should it know you're not looking for http://ftp.ua.debian.org/ ? |
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| 12:27.48 | yurikoles | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 12:27.53 | mikexcr | http://ftp. ? o_O |
| 12:27.58 | yurikoles | links for testing is broken |
| 12:28.14 | azeem | yurikoles: testing is *not guaranteed to work* |
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| 12:28.23 | azeem | testing d-i is like unstable for regular packages |
| 12:28.29 | abrotman | yurikoles: install stable, then upgrade from there |
| 12:28.30 | azeem | we don't care at all if it breaks |
| 12:28.40 | Okurwieniec | hello i got a serious noob problem here - each time i format usb stick or i try to add a new hdd i havent permission to copy files onto nor nothing - i start to going crazy - additionally no more root terminal and of course, im not in a sudoers file this incident will be reported. LOL. Is there any metod to format drive as human being, without going mad, so that work? |
| 12:29.06 | yurikoles | oh, I found it! http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 12:30.23 | Okurwieniec | or this is normal in free systems u need baccalaureat and 5 years of harvard to format a drive? |
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| 12:30.30 | yurikoles | there is 6 (SIX!) DVD images, OH SHI-- |
| 12:30.41 | azeem | Okurwieniec: why do you want to format it? |
| 12:30.56 | abrotman | yurikoles: install stable, then upgrade from there |
| 12:30.58 | azeem | Okurwieniec: you mean you want to create a file system on it? |
| 12:30.58 | thrashold | Hello. I'm looking for a lightweight ppp dialer that is available in Debian. gnome-ppp is probably almost exactly what I need, but it uses wvdial. Can anyone suggest a dialer that is like gnome-ppp or lighter, but doesn't use wvdial, and is available in Debian? |
| 12:31.00 | Okurwieniec | cause it was FAT |
| 12:31.09 | Okurwieniec | i dont want FAT |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | thrashold: what's wrong with wvdial ? |
| 12:31.33 | yurikoles | pptp-linux |
| 12:31.33 | thrashold | abrotman: Broken on armel (bug 521473) |
| 12:31.39 | Okurwieniec | i wana RW partition on my stick |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | thrashold: ah ok |
| 12:31.45 | Okurwieniec | with all rights |
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| 12:31.52 | abrotman | thrashold: but pon/poff works ? |
| 12:32.01 | Okurwieniec | also for my HD |
| 12:32.19 | Okurwieniec | some guide how to? |
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| 12:32.40 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 12:32.40 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | thrashold: but pon/poff works ? |
| 12:32.59 | yurikoles | why is there no BD for 5.02 and testing? |
| 12:33.14 | abrotman | yurikoles: please use the netinst |
| 12:33.27 | Okurwieniec | omg |
| 12:33.32 | valdyn | yurikoles: even more waste of bandwidth for what benefit? |
| 12:33.42 | thrashold | abrotman: Still haven't tried, I would guess so. I'm looking for a GUI, if I don't find, I'll probably go with pon/poff and a shortcut somewhere |
| 12:33.58 | abrotman | judd: info gpppon --release etch |
| 12:33.59 | Okurwieniec | ok i stay with one big drive and after ill buy an Apple |
| 12:34.00 | judd | abrotman: gpppon (gnome): is optional; Version: 0.2-4+b1; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 44k -- A gnome applet that is a wrapper around pon and poff. |
| 12:34.01 | Okurwieniec | thx |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | thrashold: like that ? |
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| 12:34.24 | abrotman | thrashold: and i've never used it |
| 12:34.41 | paxcoder | yurikoles: azeem doesn't support stable. but this is #debian, not #debian-stable, and there's no reason not to test it here. |
| 12:34.43 | thrashold | abrotman: I didn't understand what you meant, sorry |
| 12:34.50 | azeem | paxcoder: what? |
| 12:35.08 | abrotman | thrashold: see above .. a package called 'gpppon' |
| 12:35.43 | yurikoles | and why in there no live for 5.0.2? |
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| 12:36.03 | valdyn | yurikoles: debian live really is seperate from debian releases |
| 12:36.19 | valdyn | yurikoles: im sure theres a live cd "based on" lenny though |
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| 12:37.56 | thrashold | abrotman: Thanks... Hm, but this is a gnome applet, doesn't work for me, as I don't have gnome, or system tray (using e17), and I can't see it when I start it :) |
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| 12:39.42 | yurikoles | latest weekly dated 22 june. developer on vacation? |
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| 12:39.50 | thrashold | Maybe I should probably just write something, thanks |
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| 12:40.19 | fxiny | hey , less then 2 weeks ago |
| 12:40.23 | yurikoles | why don't u use ifup? |
| 12:41.24 | votan | My sys keeps fvreezing |
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| 12:41.37 | votan | i get the kerneloops applet to ask if i want to submit |
| 12:41.47 | votan | how can i track down what happened just before it froze? |
| 12:41.50 | votan | crashed* |
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| 12:44.52 | mesa_booger | votan: random crashes or repeatable ? |
| 12:45.15 | votan | they happen when im doing something in firefox |
| 12:45.24 | votan | like displaying a page |
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| 12:46.18 | yurikoles | Use opera, Luke! Force will be with you. |
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| 12:47.31 | ]pablo[ | i-m having trouble with keymap.. somehow i lost spanish keymap and can-t set it back |
| 12:47.36 | ]pablo[ | could someone help me_ |
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| 12:47.49 | ]pablo[ | i tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 12:47.52 | ]pablo[ | but didnt help |
| 12:48.44 | yurikoles | just edit the xorg.conf |
| 12:49.22 | yurikoles | !xkb |
| 12:49.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, xkb is See Doug Palmer's Unreliable Guide to Configuring Xkb: http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/html/xkb.html; or Branden's information at http://people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/xkb/. The XKB Configuration Guide by Kamil Toman and Ivan U. Pascal is at http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XKB-Config.html, or http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/XKeyboardConfig |
| 12:49.34 | xshadowfire | guhhhh |
| 12:49.41 | xshadowfire | the highlights |
| 12:49.55 | yurikoles | lolwut? |
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| 12:50.08 | ]pablo[ | yurikoles: no my problem is with console, not X |
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| 12:50.21 | yurikoles | oh, sorry |
| 12:50.39 | ]pablo[ | xorg.conf has the right keyboard specified etc |
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| 12:51.03 | ]pablo[ | i get system messages in english too |
| 12:51.11 | ]pablo[ | but i got locales generated and correctly set i think |
| 12:51.45 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: what does "locale" say ? |
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| 12:52.25 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: http://paste.debian.net/41052/ |
| 12:52.30 | omid8bimo | guys who knows when firefox 3.5 with be available in debian az iceweasel 3.5 |
| 12:52.30 | omid8bimo | ? |
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| 12:54.04 | eshat | Hi all,... what do you use to watch DVD's mplayer or vlc ? Is it right, that mplayer does not support menues while VLC does ? |
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| 12:54.25 | Polarina | eshat: I tend to use VLC myself. |
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| 12:54.50 | azeem | omid8bimo: when it's ready |
| 12:54.59 | eshat | Polarina: yes but I think mplayer is better support in firefox for playing videos |
| 12:54.59 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: have a look at /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment |
| 12:55.06 | omid8bimo | azeem: :-/ |
| 12:55.14 | Polarina | eshat: Please note that playing DVDs might cause people in black suits arrest you for patent infringement. |
| 12:55.18 | omid8bimo | can't wait for it |
| 12:55.29 | azeem | Polarina: please don't spread FUD in here |
| 12:55.55 | Polarina | azeem: I am telling the truth. |
| 12:56.08 | eshat | Polarina: here in Kurdistan we don't have rules like that ;) |
| 12:56.20 | eshat | or even laws |
| 12:56.25 | Polarina | eshat: The implications of "might". |
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| 12:57.06 | Polarina | eshat: Anyhow, anything else cool regarding to Internet freedom in Kurdistan? |
| 12:57.27 | FreakGuard | anyone got some expirience with ejabberd and transports? the transport doesn't answer discoveries |
| 12:57.41 | eshat | Polarina: Kurdistan is on the best way, I mean we have a democracie ;) |
| 12:57.57 | eshat | Polarina: You cannot compare with Iran |
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| 12:58.11 | Polarina | eshat: I also got democracy. |
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| 12:58.14 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: /etc/default/locale has 1 line - es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 12:58.29 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: and /etc/environment is empty |
| 12:58.59 | abrotman | thrashold: ah .. okay .. so you just want a regular gtk app ? |
| 12:59.04 | abrotman | thrashold: or GUI app ? |
| 12:59.22 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: the line in /etc/default/locale is LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 12:59.31 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: just that one line |
| 12:59.37 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: ok. maybe your locale files are gone. try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:59.45 | Polarina | eshat: This bothers me, how can you be in Kurdistan and connect through the internet through Germany? |
| 12:59.50 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: i did that already |
| 13:00.07 | abrotman | Polarina: VPN ? |
| 13:00.09 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: im using locale-purge too btw... if you think thats a problem |
| 13:00.19 | thrashold | abrotman: GTK+, preferably. Actually, I'm trying to learn how to set up my connection with pon/poff now, so I could write a short GUI in Python anyway. |
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| 13:00.36 | abrotman | thrashold: pppconfig .. it's a config front end .. then you use pon/poff |
| 13:00.53 | abrotman | and yeah .. i'm sure someone has already written a front end for it for just basic X users |
| 13:01.04 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: not sure. never used it |
| 13:01.19 | thrashold | abrotman: Yes, I got that, but I'm trying to configure a GPRS connection over Bluetooth and I'm a bit confused, and I can't find where pppd is spitting the errors, but I think I figure it out. |
| 13:01.24 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: shouldnt be.. |
| 13:02.05 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: got any other idea_ the problem is with keymap basically.. i can read accents displayed by ls, but not type them |
| 13:02.08 | eshat | Polarina: there are a lot of German companys here, just like our internet provider,... kurdish people have to use satellite. |
| 13:02.19 | abrotman | thrashold: been awhile since i used dialup .. /var/log/syslog IIRC |
| 13:03.16 | thrashold | abrotman: Thanks |
| 13:03.16 | yurikoles | pptp-linux and manual editing your config files is the Unix-way |
| 13:03.42 | Polarina | eshat: Yes, Kurdistan doesn't look like a very advanced developed country. |
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| 13:03.55 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: read the dire warning in the localepurge header. i would stop using it, if i were you ... |
| 13:04.23 | bylzz | Read in #debian that you live in Kurdistan, would you recommend that for vaccation? I was going to visit Iran but with the trouble there lately Ive started to rethink.. |
| 13:04.26 | bylzz | dsa |
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| 13:08.03 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: well im using it on my desktop computer and it works flawless |
| 13:08.09 | yurikoles | have do set time synchronization in console? |
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| 13:08.27 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: any idea on how to fix the problem_ im desperate :( |
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| 13:08.47 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: stop using localepurge for a start. it is a complete waste of time |
| 13:08.55 | ]pablo[ | ok i uninstalled it |
| 13:09.03 | LeeJunFan | What is the KDE install CD for? Is that in addition to CD 1 to install a debian system? Or is it a replacent for CD1? |
| 13:09.10 | lvh | how can I make python2.6 also be able to import python2.5's modules? |
| 13:09.22 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: uninstalled localepurge, and did dpkg-reconfigure locales and dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 13:09.25 | lvh | LeeJunFan: replacement. instead of gnome, it contains kde |
| 13:09.27 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: still got the same problem though |
| 13:09.32 | LeeJunFan | lvh: thanks. |
| 13:09.33 | yurikoles | man ntp |
| 13:09.33 | yurikoles | No manual entry for ntp |
| 13:09.37 | yurikoles | !ntp |
| 13:09.37 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. See also <set time>. |
| 13:10.05 | mesa_booger | ]pablo[: sorry. don't know then |
| 13:10.09 | yurikoles | !set time |
| 13:10.10 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 13:10.46 | ]pablo[ | mesa_booger: thanks anyways |
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| 13:11.56 | yurikoles | <]pablo[> try gentoo wiki or handbook |
| 13:11.56 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 13:11.57 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 13:12.06 | grn | Hi. The dot key on my numpad prints a comma. How can I fix it? |
| 13:12.12 | grn | In X windows |
| 13:12.35 | abrotman | ]pablo[: what is broken ? |
| 13:13.17 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: im having trouble with keymap, after upgrading into 2.6.30 kernel, my spanish layout stopped working in console-mode |
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| 13:13.39 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: and i cant type accents or special spanish characters now |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | time to learn english! |
| 13:13.53 | abrotman | no .. hold on a moment |
| 13:13.59 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: i-ve tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but no go |
| 13:14.14 | abrotman | did you logout/login after doing that ? |
| 13:14.20 | ]pablo[ | yeah |
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| 13:14.32 | abrotman | and when you did the console-data, what options did you choose ? |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | and does it still happen with an older kernel? |
| 13:14.44 | ]pablo[ | es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | i meant for the keymap |
| 13:15.07 | ]pablo[ | the problem was not present with an older kernel... but it is now |
| 13:15.15 | ]pablo[ | somehow |
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| 13:15.26 | Anirban1987 | http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5854/serveryab.jpg . This is a screen shot of my home server. Now I want to shift to a VPS with the same set of apps installed. How much dedicated RAM should I get ? |
| 13:15.37 | abrotman | ]pablo[: can you still boot the older kernel ? |
| 13:16.01 | abrotman | Anirban1987: why are you asking #debian about an ubuntu server? |
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| 13:16.58 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: I can boot the older kernel, but now I have the same keymap problem there as well |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | ]pablo[: check your dpkg.log to see what other packages were updated recently .. check the BTS |
| 13:17.06 | Anirban1987 | abrotman : Becoz ubuntu is based on a debian package |
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| 13:17.24 | abrotman | ]pablo[: alternately .. ask #debian-es on irc.oftc.net to see if anyone else has the same issue |
| 13:17.28 | abrotman | Anirban1987: please go ask #ubuntu |
| 13:17.55 | yurikoles | Processing triggers for libc6 ... |
| 13:17.55 | yurikoles | ^Cconfig deferred processing now taking place |
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| 13:18.09 | wiskas__ | hi |
| 13:18.14 | yurikoles | i killed it ;( |
| 13:18.17 | wiskas__ | is there a gui for ifupdown? |
| 13:18.27 | yurikoles | LOLWUT? |
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| 13:18.38 | paxcoder | wat? |
| 13:19.00 | paxcoder | wiskas__: i think there is |
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| 13:19.20 | abrotman | wiskas__: quite a few .. you can enable/disable interfaces in most of the gnome/kde network tools |
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| 13:19.31 | deebee | hi |
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| 13:19.52 | wiskas__ | thought they all use networkmanager these days |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | wiskas__: uhm .. i don't |
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| 13:20.38 | wiskas__ | i meant these gnome tools |
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| 13:20.56 | wiskas__ | i don't use NM either, it's a nonworking stinking pile of feces IMO |
| 13:21.31 | nkuttler | why depend on x to get a network connection anyway.. |
| 13:21.33 | grn | How can I read the keycode of a given key in X? |
| 13:21.41 | nkuttler | grn: xev |
| 13:21.41 | azeem | grn: try xev |
| 13:22.23 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: i did update a lot of packages yesterday night... http://paste.debian.net/41058/ |
| 13:22.33 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: not sure which one there could be the one causing the problems |
| 13:22.36 | grn | Thank you! |
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| 13:22.56 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: and sadly debian-es is empty basically heh |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | wiskas__: i don't think they all do |
| 13:23.02 | abrotman | ]pablo[: on oftc ? |
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| 13:24.28 | ]pablo[ | yea |
| 13:24.41 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: on oftc theres like 14 guys and all afk heh |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | ]pablo[: you changed console-setup |
| 13:25.17 | yurikoles | !oftc |
| 13:25.17 | dpkg | i guess oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>. |
| 13:25.19 | abrotman | ]pablo[: oh .. the #debian-es has more users .. i thought the other would .. over 60 on freenode |
| 13:25.22 | abrotman | yurikoles: MSG THE BOT |
| 13:25.54 | ]pablo[ | hmm console-setup |
| 13:26.03 | ]pablo[ | well thats a start :) |
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| 13:28.20 | yurikoles | abrotman: what you mean? |
| 13:28.35 | abrotman | !tell yurikoles about msg the bot |
| 13:29.40 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: whats the next step i should be looking for_ |
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| 13:30.18 | abrotman | ]pablo[: make sure you don't have any other packages out of date .. check the BTS for a package you might think is broken, ask #debian-es on irc.freenode.net (here) |
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| 13:32.23 | maxagaz | hi |
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| 13:33.38 | yurikoles | bonjour, %username% |
| 13:33.50 | azeem | I /n maxagaz |
| 13:33.53 | azeem | blah |
| 13:34.08 | yurikoles | is there a bugfix for antialiasing zoom in FF? |
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| 13:37.29 | maxagaz | when i stop the service autofs, it's still in ps aux, why ? |
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| 13:38.10 | maxagaz | my problem is that my home isn't mounted when i log into a computer of the intranet (using ldap) |
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| 14:00.12 | yurikoles | haw can i check is mirror is up to date? |
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| 14:02.40 | careta | how do I list all the users that exist in my computer? |
| 14:03.04 | \amethyst | careta: getent passwd |
| 14:03.18 | careta | thanks \amethyst |
| 14:03.19 | \amethyst | careta: getent passwd | cut -d: -f1 if you want only the usernames |
| 14:03.24 | maxagaz | how to know the hostname of a machine from its ip ? |
| 14:03.39 | maxagaz | whitout having to ssh on it |
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| 14:04.47 | yurikoles | !whois |
| 14:04.47 | dpkg | whois is, like, for domainnames, or for IRC |
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| 14:06.06 | yurikoles | !hostname |
| 14:06.06 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 14:08.00 | Gratz474 | is Kb different then KB? |
| 14:08.07 | Gratz474 | i know kb is |
| 14:08.13 | Gratz474 | but what does a big K mean ? |
| 14:08.52 | maxagaz | yurikoles, nslookup seems to be what i needed |
| 14:08.56 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: solved the issue |
| 14:09.02 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: it was a 0day bug heh :) |
| 14:09.07 | maxagaz | i can't start the service autofs, it says "done.", but doesn't appear in ps aux, why ? |
| 14:09.16 | patrikf | Gratz474, might either be kilobit or kilobyte. |
| 14:09.30 | Gratz474 | yea i dont know why its like this |
| 14:09.38 | Gratz474 | why a big K i dont understnd |
| 14:09.52 | action09 | Gratz474 i think there's no difference |
| 14:10.21 | action09 | Gratz474 important thnig is different bit/byte |
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| 14:10.40 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: it was a dependency problem with console-setup |
| 14:11.04 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: after updating the package yesterday the configuration part gave error because it tried to use the uudecode command from sharutils |
| 14:11.11 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: but sharutils wasnt installed |
| 14:11.37 | ]pablo[ | check here for more details: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535709 |
| 14:11.43 | ]pablo[ | thanks a lot mesa_booger, abrotman |
| 14:13.02 | Gratz474 | action09, http://pastebin.ca/1484711 what is this ? |
| 14:13.05 | Gratz474 | kb or KB ?> |
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| 14:14.00 | action09 | Gratz474 little b is kilo bits /sec and a big B is for byte imho, but what's the command that generate this output ? |
| 14:14.44 | action09 | Gratz474 imho nothing important on big K or little k, only with the b or B.. |
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| 14:15.15 | action09 | Gratz474 i'd say these are kilo bits/s |
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| 14:17.04 | Gratz474 | action09, why are the numbers so different then? |
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| 14:17.37 | Gratz474 | the marker was around 400 Kb and then ti says 16.1 kb |
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| 14:18.00 | action09 | Gratz474 command ? man command |
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| 14:18.21 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 14:18.32 | Gratz474 | action09, huh? |
| 14:19.03 | rysiek|pl | need a decision-making help |
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| 14:19.40 | action09 | Gratz474 what's the command that generate this output ? |
| 14:19.46 | rysiek|pl | I've got a sata_sil-compatible PCI SATA RAID controller and two 1TB disks for a backup setup |
| 14:19.54 | rysiek|pl | I am going to set-up a RAID1 |
| 14:20.15 | rysiek|pl | the question is: use fakeraid (dmraid) or stick to software raid (mdadm)? |
| 14:20.22 | rysiek|pl | Debian Lenny here |
| 14:20.25 | action09 | Gratz474 look at the manual of your command , it seems that it's upload traffic and download taffic |
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| 14:20.54 | rysiek|pl | I know that fakeraid won't actually give me any benefits - it will still be handled in software/CPU |
| 14:21.25 | rysiek|pl | it's a dice roll, as far as I can see - but maybe somebody has some insight on this, which would be very appreciated |
| 14:21.53 | simonrvn | i'd go for the softraid ;) |
| 14:22.15 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: because?.. ;) |
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| 14:23.44 | JyZyXEL | any ideas how to scramble the data inside a broken HD |
| 14:23.54 | simonrvn | more mature TMK (i could be wrong there), you can take the raid apart if needed, it won't actually change anything one way or the other, plus mdadm is a known factor to me, so i can speak about it |
| 14:23.56 | JyZyXEL | dd if=/dev/zero was really slow |
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| 14:24.44 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: i doubt your data will be worth retrieving via deep scanning |
| 14:24.45 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: hummm... aand you don't rely on fscked-up half-baked proprietary RAID chips |
| 14:24.55 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: thanks, that seems to settle it |
| 14:25.02 | simonrvn | rysiek|pl: yes, that was the other point |
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| 14:25.21 | JyZyXEL | simonrvn, well its possible when i send it to the repair they scan the disk and take my files! |
| 14:25.40 | d-z111 | hi there, are there any specific kernel options i should enable on my system for vmware (it is a guest .. out of my control :( ) |
| 14:25.44 | JyZyXEL | i was only able to overwrite 40 GB with dd |
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| 14:25.56 | rysiek|pl | simonrvn: makes good sense, thanks a bunch. I'll probably have to tear apart another similar set-up at my job (same chip, same disks, using dmraid ATM) |
| 14:26.00 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: why would they bother after you've zeroed it? |
| 14:26.18 | JyZyXEL | simonrvn, i wasn't able to complete the process |
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| 14:26.31 | JyZyXEL | kernel ejected the drive because of I/O errors |
| 14:26.40 | simonrvn | they got better things to do than do a deep scan on a drive they'll probably just recycle or incinerate anyway |
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| 14:27.07 | azeem | JyZyXEL: if you're afraid of that, just don't hand it in for repairs |
| 14:27.15 | rysiek|pl | JyZyXEL: badblocks -w /dev/borked_drive |
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| 14:27.16 | JyZyXEL | its a 500 GB drive there is still over 450GB data that has not been overwritten |
| 14:27.17 | azeem | drives are cheap if your data is expensive |
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| 14:27.31 | rysiek|pl | brb |
| 14:27.39 | simonrvn | and take the fugging thing apart and use the magnets |
| 14:27.45 | JyZyXEL | hmm badblocks :) |
| 14:27.56 | JyZyXEL | simonrvn, and then i can't use the warranty |
| 14:28.04 | JyZyXEL | ill get a new drive when i sent it to the warranty |
| 14:28.27 | simonrvn | still fails to see the benefit of 0.5 TiB drives when they'll just crash and burn like little ones |
| 14:28.34 | azeem | JyZyXEL: 16:24 < azeem> drives are cheap if your data is expensive |
| 14:28.47 | JyZyXEL | i just don't wanna sent it with my data inside it |
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| 14:29.10 | Gratz474 | how much is 400 kbits in KB's ? |
| 14:29.19 | JyZyXEL | rysiek|pl, what is this badblocks program? |
| 14:29.20 | Gratz474 | about 60 right? |
| 14:29.20 | azeem | JyZyXEL: do you have an idea how expensive it is to retrieve data from a broken drive? |
| 14:29.24 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: dude, seriously. get over yourself. they won't bother. WTF would they? |
| 14:29.32 | rysiek|pl | JyZyXEL: man badblocks |
| 14:29.38 | rysiek|pl | JyZyXEL: gtg, be back in 20 |
| 14:29.41 | azeem | JyZyXEL: is this your company's data? |
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| 14:29.55 | azeem | or are you just afraid somebody will tell your parents you look at sexy vidoes? |
| 14:30.00 | simonrvn | i bet it's just pr0n |
| 14:30.01 | mesa_booger | Gratz474: about 50. 8 x 50 = 400 |
| 14:30.01 | JyZyXEL | azeem, dude u can just read it with anything its just slow and lots of errors |
| 14:30.11 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 14:30.12 | azeem | JyZyXEL: so zero it |
| 14:30.17 | Gratz474 | you ever use iftop before? |
| 14:30.26 | Gratz474 | or anyone here? |
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| 14:30.39 | simonrvn | !polls |
| 14:30.39 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 14:30.40 | JyZyXEL | azeem, yes thats what im asking |
| 14:31.05 | Gratz474 | it says 60 kb's but i am not sure if that is how much its transferred or the rate |
| 14:31.21 | fxiny | JyZyXEL: how can you scramble it if broken ? |
| 14:31.34 | JyZyXEL | exactly |
| 14:31.40 | fxiny | on a working hd i prefere scrub |
| 14:31.52 | twoface | i have been trying to install package 'nvidia-glx' on unstable in a couple of days - but it depends on nvidia-kernel-185.18.14, which is still nowhere to be seen. anybody know of the status on this? |
| 14:31.54 | fxiny | because it won't boil it |
| 14:32.06 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking of randomly writing zeros all over the drive |
| 14:32.38 | JyZyXEL | that would be way more effective than a linear write that just crashes because of I/O errors |
| 14:32.40 | fxiny | is all about money |
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| 14:33.25 | fxiny | find a tape degaussing machine |
| 14:33.35 | fxiny | or a large magnet |
| 14:33.40 | simonrvn | zap |
| 14:33.42 | JyZyXEL | :D |
| 14:34.00 | JyZyXEL | i wish i had a huge capacitor bank |
| 14:34.54 | Gratz474 | do you guys use anything like iftop or anything? |
| 14:35.01 | Gratz474 | trying to see the current speed of a conneciton |
| 14:35.33 | JyZyXEL | Gratz474, iptraf |
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| 14:35.48 | Gratz474 | can i see the speed of a certain connection in that ? |
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| 14:36.16 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 14:36.30 | Gratz474 | how? |
| 14:36.43 | JyZyXEL | in the LAN station monitoring |
| 14:36.53 | Gratz474 | i dont want to see how much is being transferred i want to see the rate and speed of a connection |
| 14:37.04 | JyZyXEL | yea it shows that |
| 14:37.13 | guyzmo | hi, I want to configure a secure file sharing system (like NFS or samba). By secure I mean strong authentication and crypted network exchanges. ideally I'd like to use samba/cifs for windows boxes and something like NFS but secure for linux/mac systems |
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| 14:37.41 | azeem | guyzmo: sshfs, or maybe nfs4+kerberos or afs |
| 14:37.53 | guyzmo | ok |
| 14:37.55 | Emery | Is there a command for debian updates via command line ? |
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| 14:38.08 | azeem | Emery: what kind of updates? |
| 14:38.14 | guyzmo | and cifs+kerberos is fine for windows boxes ? |
| 14:38.19 | Emery | Does debian not have an update manager ? |
| 14:38.26 | azeem | guyzmo: I don't know, is that encrypted? |
| 14:38.34 | valan | Emery you can use aptitude |
| 14:38.35 | azeem | or are you just worried about authentication |
| 14:38.39 | \amethyst | Emery: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 14:39.03 | guyzmo | azeem - I'm worried about both |
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| 14:39.05 | Emery | mhmmm i thought Debian had an update manager |
| 14:39.15 | azeem | Emery: it has, it's called update-manager |
| 14:39.27 | azeem | Emery: for the console, look at aptitude |
| 14:39.33 | azeem | I think somebody just mentioned it |
| 14:40.49 | Emery | azeem, i thought as much |
| 14:40.58 | Gratz474 | JyZyXEL, where at i dont see it ? |
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| 14:41.27 | Emery | azeem, it wants to remove 220 packages ... and update nothing :P |
| 14:41.49 | azeem | Emery: then maybe try what \amethyst said viz safe-upgrade |
| 14:42.09 | Gratz474 | JyZyXEL, but now i dont see the ip in the lam station monitor |
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| 14:42.30 | JyZyXEL | Gratz474, true, thats the downside :p |
| 14:42.35 | Emery | the safe-upgrade is what wants to remove all the packages |
| 14:42.40 | azeem | eh? |
| 14:42.40 | Gratz474 | JyZyXEL, yea not soo useful |
| 14:42.42 | Bluesky | Hello |
| 14:42.48 | JyZyXEL | only get the HW address |
| 14:42.50 | azeem | that's ... weird |
| 14:42.55 | Bluesky | is there any troubles with mirrors? |
| 14:42.57 | Emery | aptitiude safe-upgrande .. want's to remove 220 packages |
| 14:43.07 | Emery | they are mostly gnome related |
| 14:43.10 | Emery | i'm using flux |
| 14:43.18 | Gratz474 | JyZyXEL, it would have been easy for them to have included the ip |
| 14:43.22 | Gratz474 | any other tools do this ? hmm |
| 14:43.30 | JyZyXEL | Gratz474, but you might figure out to which connection that MAC address belongs to from IP Traffic Monitor =) |
| 14:43.32 | azeem | Emery: probably because you removed the gnome meta package |
| 14:43.36 | Emery | yeah |
| 14:43.42 | Emery | so i should go ahead with the removal ? |
| 14:43.47 | Gratz474 | JyZyXEL, heheh not worth it there has to be something better |
| 14:44.02 | azeem | Emery: no |
| 14:44.07 | Emery | why |
| 14:44.12 | JyZyXEL | i also wonder why they didn't include that option :\ |
| 14:44.12 | Bluesky | nobody knows? |
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| 14:44.21 | JyZyXEL | its a pain in the ass |
| 14:44.27 | azeem | Emery: unless you reviewed the list of to be removed packages and are sure you don't want them, of course |
| 14:44.36 | Emery | they're all gnome appz |
| 14:44.42 | Emery | and gnome related |
| 14:45.06 | JyZyXEL | guess they wanted to keep the LAN station monitor at the ethernet level |
| 14:45.21 | Gratz474 | JyZyXEL, heheh not worth it there has to be something better |
| 14:45.31 | Gratz474 | oops |
| 14:45.31 | maxagaz | i'm having my problem with the service autofs, it says "done.", but doesn't appear in ps aux, can someone help me ? |
| 14:45.37 | maxagaz | still |
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| 14:46.14 | fxiny | Gratz474: like space invaders ? try slurm :P |
| 14:47.01 | JyZyXEL | also the IP Traffic Monitor could count the actual transfer speeds |
| 14:47.17 | JyZyXEL | instead of just telling the total transferred bytes |
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| 14:47.30 | Gratz474 | it can ? |
| 14:47.32 | Gratz474 | or could? |
| 14:47.40 | JyZyXEL | well it could easily |
| 14:47.44 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 14:47.50 | Gratz474 | could and does is different |
| 14:48.01 | Gratz474 | how is such a large feature not on it i dont get it |
| 14:48.05 | Gratz474 | iftop is better i think |
| 14:48.34 | fxiny | Gratz474: what's wrong with slurm ? |
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| 14:49.10 | hugo | i heard i can set up software mirroring in installer but couldn't find how |
| 14:49.12 | JyZyXEL | never tried slurm |
| 14:49.15 | JyZyXEL | gotta try it |
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| 14:49.31 | hugo | any doc describing hot can i do it? |
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| 14:53.39 | yurikoles | !tell hugo mirror |
| 14:53.57 | ajavid | heh |
| 14:54.00 | ajavid | good morning |
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| 14:55.32 | yurikoles | !tell hugo about debmirror |
| 14:56.06 | hugo | i meant raid yurikoles |
| 14:56.28 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 14:56.36 | ajavid | 6.3.2.3. Configuring Multidisk Devices (Software RAID) |
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| 14:57.02 | ajavid | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 14:57.19 | bony | i have a problem with resizing inkscapes window |
| 14:57.44 | hugo | ajavid: thx |
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| 14:58.28 | hugo | btw, i think this doc is quite out of date now http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apcs02.html.en |
| 14:59.15 | hugo | even a chip pc has a few hundreds of hdd spac nowadays |
| 15:00.05 | hugo | what does your partitions looks like? |
| 15:00.25 | hugo | how much do you spare for /, /usr, /var, /home, etc |
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| 15:02.42 | hugo | I would: 1G for /, 100G for /usr, 100G for /var, RAM * 2 for swap, 10G for tmp, rest is home |
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| 15:03.56 | mesa_booger | hugo: 1G for / isn't enough |
| 15:05.28 | hugo | mesa_booger: no way. it's just for /etc, /bin, /sbin and /lib |
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| 15:06.46 | mesa_booger | hugo: what about /opt ? |
| 15:09.53 | hugo | mesa_booger: debian use opt? |
| 15:10.50 | adb | yes |
| 15:11.09 | hugo | for what? |
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| 15:11.59 | adb | is free usually |
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| 15:12.28 | daffidity | Hi. I have just installed debian and have an Intel GMA 4500MHD graphics card. When shutdown, the screen flickers horribly and there is some random text scrolling at the top |
| 15:12.42 | hugo | adb does aptitude use it? |
| 15:13.08 | hugo | adb: or for non-debian apps? i'd use /usr/local for that |
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| 15:15.53 | martianlobster | I have Xvnc4 running, but when I try to connect over the web servervice connection, ie. open 127.0.0.1:5801, with a web browser, I don't see anything. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:16.17 | Lirion | hugo /opt is FHS |
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| 15:16.55 | hugo | Lirion: so some commercial apps might use it, right? |
| 15:16.59 | Lirion | I encountered /opt on oackages only on pro-ooo-box until now, but well. standard is standard. |
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| 15:17.09 | Lirion | mostly commercial apps as it seems, yes |
| 15:17.18 | Lirion | but that is only my experience, it may be not exactly right |
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| 15:18.21 | yurikoles | vmware? |
| 15:18.35 | hugo | hmm, then yeah, 1G for / might not be enough |
| 15:18.56 | hugo | just as mesa_booger suggested |
| 15:19.21 | hugo | how much do you guys spare for / partition? |
| 15:19.26 | yurikoles | in my ubuntu jaunty with file server, web server, etc installed |
| 15:19.30 | yurikoles | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.05 | hugo | i'm curious to know modern partitioning scheme in debian |
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| 15:20.31 | yurikoles | !tell hugo about lsb |
| 15:21.28 | hugo | yurikoles: i meant how much space you spare for each partitions |
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| 15:21.45 | hugo | it should depend on cases yeah but anyway |
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| 15:24.06 | yurikoles | jigdo-lite checksums each downloaded file? |
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| 15:26.03 | mmek | hugo: for the average desktop use i would partition 10G for the root partition and keep all other partitions inside. in case you run out of space you can move /usr or /var out of there |
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| 15:26.22 | Mikey^ | hey |
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| 15:26.33 | yurikoles | what is the best way to reuse existing dvd with jigdo? I suggests |
| 15:26.38 | yurikoles | ln -s /cdrom /var/www/debian |
| 15:26.43 | Mikey^ | Can asterisk be used to make calls to normal phones or mobile phones ? |
| 15:27.33 | Mikey^ | I have a voip at office and use it call mobiles and normal conference calls |
| 15:27.34 | azeem | Mikey^: AIUI, yes |
| 15:27.45 | hugo | mmek: where do you get that additional spaces? |
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| 15:28.01 | Mikey^ | AIUI ? |
| 15:28.03 | delcoyote | hi |
| 15:28.14 | azeem | !aiui |
| 15:28.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aiui is As I Understand It |
| 15:28.23 | mmek | hugo: by shrinking or deleting other partitions |
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| 15:29.03 | hugo | mmek: but in your case there're only / and the rest right? |
| 15:29.12 | Mikey^ | ok |
| 15:29.13 | Mikey^ | thanks |
| 15:29.21 | Mikey^ | let me give it a shot |
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| 15:30.21 | mmek | hugo: depends on the size of the hdd. you could as well work around the partition size problem with lvm |
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| 15:30.36 | misha | hi, where i can find list of packages which Lenny installs for default+Standard installation? by default it seems i need to look at <aptitude search '~pimportant | ~prequired'>, but there is no linux kernel, for example |
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| 15:31.06 | azeem | misha: you could install lenny and run dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 15:31.18 | azeem | I am not aware of such a list on the web |
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| 15:31.43 | hugo | mmek: 400G here |
| 15:32.16 | mmek | hugo: do you plan to put other operating systems on it? |
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| 15:32.34 | pz8 | hi, i have a question, i have debian5 and when i am in kde3.5 the programs of gnome are ugly, but when i use gnome, the same programs, the window are nice |
| 15:32.35 | misha | azeem, heh, well, my task is mass debian installation by network, i'm aware of automatic d-i, but i don't want to get 26 Gb of Lenny mirror :( |
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| 15:32.51 | hugo | mmek: no, 100% debian. might be run some other OSes on vm |
| 15:32.59 | misha | azeem, thanks anyway :) |
| 15:33.02 | patrikf | misha: check apt-cacher-ng, apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 15:33.22 | patrikf | misha: that way you'll only mirror the packages one client actually requests |
| 15:33.32 | misha | patrikf, will take a look at this, merci |
| 15:33.51 | patrikf | misha: dpkg has factoids on them (/msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng etc.) |
| 15:33.58 | misha | anyway i will need to download them once.. |
| 15:34.00 | mmek | hugo: in that case i would look into LVM |
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| 15:35.26 | patrikf | misha: otherwise, i'm sure the first disk of the DVD set has all standard packages. |
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| 15:35.26 | patrikf | maybe even CD1 has all of them |
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| 15:36.21 | misha | it will be netboot installation |
| 15:36.35 | misha | dhcp and automatic d-i preseeds |
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| 15:37.36 | hugo | mmek: i worry about lvm's strageness in booting after crash |
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| 15:38.59 | ajavid | !seen jetscreamer |
| 15:38.59 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 10h 4m 49s ago, saying: 'well see y'all in a month or 2 :/'. |
| 15:39.08 | mmek | hugo: in that case you could tell the installer to use the guided partitioning and see what it suggests |
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| 15:39.17 | ajavid | jetscreamer cancelled my VPS |
| 15:39.18 | ajavid | lol |
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| 15:39.47 | ajavid | I don't use lvm |
| 15:40.06 | hugo | mmek: what it suggests looks silly :( |
| 15:41.11 | hugo | like / 300M, /usr 5G, /var 3G, swap 10G, tmp 400M, home 100G |
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| 15:43.57 | mmek | 10G swap is indeed silly |
| 15:44.27 | bzed | mmek: not if you have 40G ram :) |
| 15:44.34 | mmek | hehehe |
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| 15:44.57 | rysiek|pl | bzed, mmek: or, 9G RAM and wish to use Hibernate... |
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| 15:45.56 | mmek | hugo: i would partition 20G for / and put the rest in something like /data where you can put your multimedia stuff |
| 15:46.52 | mmek | hugo: in case you ever run out of space you can make /data smaller and / bigger with tools like parted or qtparted |
| 15:47.28 | mmek | hugo: well, and whether you need swap or not is to argue too |
| 15:47.36 | mmek | hugo: how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:47.43 | hugo | i'd avoid using such non standard partitioning ;) |
| 15:47.54 | hugo | 6G ram |
| 15:48.34 | mmek | so make it /mnt/data and its standard |
| 15:48.50 | hugo | mmek: why don't just put it on home/ |
| 15:48.50 | hugo | home?* |
| 15:49.04 | mmek | depends how you will use /home |
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| 15:49.21 | hugo | mmek: usr and home are the ones that supposed to be used much |
| 15:50.01 | hugo | mmek: oh, you use that /data for your storage space? |
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| 15:51.00 | mmek | kinda |
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| 15:54.32 | hugo | mmek: think it's nice |
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| 15:57.11 | hugo | when setting up software raid on installer, do i have to make two disk partitioning identical myself ? |
| 15:57.40 | klochan | yes |
| 15:58.16 | hugo | klochan: hope it were atomatic |
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| 15:59.36 | ajavid | automatic |
| 15:59.43 | ajavid | I glaced over and saw 'atomic' |
| 15:59.46 | ajavid | I was like uhm. what> |
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| 15:59.48 | ajavid | 'lol |
| 16:00.06 | ajavid | yup, I got Atomic software raid man |
| 16:00.11 | ajavid | I'm gonna blow ! |
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| 16:00.31 | mesa_booger | azeem: dpkg -l | grep ^ii isn't actually quite right. if for example you asked to purge a package, but this was not allowed because of dependencies, it would be "pi" rather than "ii". maybe ".i" or "[pi]i" would be better |
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| 16:02.53 | azeem | mesa_booger: the scope was immediately after installation |
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| 16:08.55 | yurikoles | jigdo can download multiple files at once? |
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| 16:12.18 | hugo | is there any benefit doing swap raid 1? |
| 16:12.40 | rysiek|pl | hugo: nope, on the contrary |
| 16:12.51 | rysiek|pl | hugo: it's detrimental to the speed of swap |
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| 16:13.02 | rysiek|pl | hugo: it's much better to use raid0 for swap |
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| 16:13.51 | rysiek|pl | hugo: as you don't need the bulletproof-ness of raid1 for swap data, but you do need speed, and that's where raid0 shines |
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| 16:14.35 | hugo | rysiek|pl: i have two indentical disk and setting up raid1. in this case, i should set up non swap partition raid 1 and swap raid 0? |
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| 16:14.50 | rysiek|pl | hugo: correct |
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| 16:15.02 | hugo | good to know :) |
| 16:15.15 | rysiek|pl | hugo: this way you'll get safety for your data, and speed+size for your swap |
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| 16:16.05 | nsx | although that could affect his storage too, when bad data is swapped in to memory |
| 16:16.18 | rysiek|pl | nsx: ? |
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| 16:16.59 | nsx | raid0 decreases reliability, so corrupt swap is far more likely |
| 16:17.13 | nsx | which could affect his storage |
| 16:17.18 | rysiek|pl | humm |
| 16:17.47 | rysiek|pl | nsx: doesn't the kernel do some error checking? |
| 16:17.48 | nsx | I'm not saying raid1 is a good solution, I've never heard of anyone doing that |
| 16:18.01 | rysiek|pl | nsx: raid1 for swap is a misunderstanding |
| 16:18.13 | rysiek|pl | nsx: you could always use 2 swap partitions |
| 16:18.21 | rysiek|pl | without raid or whatever |
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| 16:18.44 | nsx | there are tradeoffs in everything :) |
| 16:18.49 | rysiek|pl | true |
| 16:19.23 | nsx | I usually try to have enough ram that swapping is kept to a minimum.... that's probably the best solution here |
| 16:19.57 | rysiek|pl | hugo: for the record, after a nice discussion with nsx above, there is a small chance that raid0 in swap will make disk data corruption more likeli (i.e. when data goes to swap, and then to disk) |
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| 16:20.29 | nsx | I've never experienced that personally, it just seems like it could be a problem |
| 16:20.32 | rysiek|pl | hugo: personally, I wouldn't bother about that too much, I *think* this would be caught by the kernel somewhere |
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| 16:20.55 | rysiek|pl | hugo: but, if you're really *really* paranoid, just use two swap partitions, without any raid |
| 16:20.57 | hugo | so how should i set up my swap? |
| 16:21.42 | hugo | so raid 0 swap is bad, and two separate no raid swap is better choice then? |
| 16:21.46 | rysiek|pl | hugo: raid1 for your data, two different swap partitions, used independently, one from each disk, without any raid |
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| 16:21.49 | hugo | according to nsx? |
| 16:21.54 | rysiek|pl | hugo: nope |
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| 16:22.26 | rysiek|pl | hugo: raid0 swap *might* increase a chance of corruption of your data on disk, when a few very improbable things happen at once |
| 16:22.27 | dbbolton | i issued this command "apt-build --yes --force-yes --target-release unstable install kde-minimal" and it didn't compile anything- just installed debs. any idea why? |
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| 16:23.33 | rysiek|pl | hugo: I personally wouldn't bother, as I suppose the kernel would detect it before any b0rked data get written to your data partitions |
| 16:23.33 | hugo | rysiek|pl: so just separate two swap in no raid would be slightly safer? |
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| 16:23.42 | rysiek|pl | hugo: slightly safer, slightly slower |
| 16:23.55 | hugo | then i'd go with no raid swap |
| 16:24.05 | hugo | was very educational |
| 16:24.18 | rysiek|pl | happy to help ;) |
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| 16:25.31 | rysiek|pl | oh god, I just spat on my keyboard |
| 16:25.46 | rysiek|pl | "Roentgen - first man to fire-up X" |
| 16:25.48 | rysiek|pl | -_-' |
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| 16:27.43 | hugo | can i boot from raid 1 partition? |
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| 16:28.51 | rysiek|pl | hugo: no idea, really |
| 16:29.00 | rysiek|pl | hugo: I think you'll need a small /boot partition |
| 16:29.06 | rysiek|pl | hugo: not in raid |
| 16:29.27 | hugo | then i'll just try boot from raid1 / |
| 16:29.49 | rysiek|pl | hugo: mdadm (if you're using software raid) will ask you upon installation which raid partitions need to be started for the root partition to be accessible |
| 16:30.04 | rysiek|pl | hugo: but I am rather sure you'll need a non-raid /boot anyway |
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| 16:32.41 | nsx | hm how would the kernel detect an error? it doesn't do its own parity checking on all blocks of memory, does it? wouldn't that be really slow? |
| 16:33.12 | rysiek|pl | nsx: humm, I have no idea... it just seems reasonable ;) |
| 16:33.14 | nsx | or maybe it just stores some kind of checksum or parity info on data that's swapped out? |
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| 16:33.23 | nsx | even that would seem slower than is necessary |
| 16:33.24 | rysiek|pl | nsx: although... you might be right |
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| 16:34.11 | hugo | got a warning saying "linux won't know modification you made in /dev/md0" |
| 16:34.18 | hugo | what does this mean? |
| 16:34.24 | rysiek|pl | no idea |
| 16:34.41 | hugo | expected message when doing raid 1 settings? |
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| 16:35.43 | tom3 | hi which package possess crypt this command? |
| 16:35.50 | tom3 | can some one help me? |
| 16:35.52 | rysiek|pl | hugo: I don't remember, done it some time ago and it "just works"(tm) |
| 16:36.07 | rysiek|pl | hugo: maybe google for some tutorial? |
| 16:36.31 | rysiek|pl | tom3: I am not sure I understand the question |
| 16:36.49 | rysiek|pl | tom3: are you looking for a package that contains the "crypt" command? |
| 16:36.54 | tom3 | yes |
| 16:36.56 | rysiek|pl | sed s/command/executable/ |
| 16:36.59 | rysiek|pl | humm |
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| 16:37.18 | tom3 | oh |
| 16:37.40 | hugo | "The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md0 (Invalid argument)." |
| 16:37.44 | tom3 | does command not equal to executable? |
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| 16:38.09 | tom3 | !crypt |
| 16:38.10 | rysiek|pl | tom3: nope. you can alias an invocation to another name |
| 16:38.22 | rysiek|pl | tom3: i.e.: alias ll='ls -l' |
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| 16:38.51 | tom3 | well,when there is no any alias |
| 16:38.52 | rysiek|pl | from now on you'll be able to use the *command* ll, which simply invokes the *executable* ls ith the "-l" flag :) |
| 16:39.07 | tom3 | /usr/bin contain command and executable we need? |
| 16:39.07 | fxiny | bcrypt ? ccrypt ? which one ? |
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| 16:39.26 | tom3 | dunot,the ancient one |
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| 16:39.31 | tom3 | which is older? |
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| 16:39.41 | fxiny | iirc b |
| 16:41.37 | fxiny | tom3: about crypt read : apt-cache show ccrypt |
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| 16:41.53 | tom3 | oh |
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| 16:44.44 | mesa_booger | azeem: yeah i know. have a nice day now |
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| 16:45.42 | yonkeltron | is there any sort of mapreduce implementation available in the debian repos? |
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| 16:49.52 | _Kuba | hola! |
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| 16:50.33 | _Kuba | If I can 'setfacl' does it mean ACL is enabled? |
| 16:51.00 | havocologe | what could be the problem that i am not able to use my wlan card in debian lenny? it is schon by lspci and i can load the modules (p54pci) but i do not see the interface with iwconfig... |
| 16:52.21 | rozie | havocologe: firmware? |
| 16:52.27 | cydork | yonkeltron, you are looking for something like hadoop? or something simpler? |
| 16:53.02 | havocologe | rozie i have downloaded it |
| 16:53.22 | havocologe | following a tutorial. |
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| 16:53.42 | rozie | havocologe: this one? http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 |
| 16:54.02 | havocologe | rozie yes exactly |
| 16:54.43 | rozie | is it on supported devices list? |
| 16:55.11 | yonkeltron | cydork: any mapreduce-style implementation. packages.debian.org shows me nothing for hadoop, even in sid. same goes for skynet and disco |
| 16:55.54 | havocologe | •rozie• yes 1260:3886 is my id and that is listed as supported |
| 16:55.58 | cydork | yonkeltron, there is none debian repos.. but if you are interested in hadoop, you can get it from cloudera |
| 16:56.07 | cydork | yonkeltron, they even have debian repo. |
| 16:56.10 | havocologe | •rozie• the point where it says: check if your device has an available interface seems to fail, because iwconfig does not report a new device |
| 16:56.11 | yonkeltron | right, i saw that |
| 16:56.14 | ssm | yonkeltron: google for "hadoop deb", look at first hit |
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| 16:56.51 | yonkeltron | cydork: it just seems odd to me that debian, which is used so often for clustering of all types (aren't there like 4-5 options for clustered filesystems?) doesn't have a mapreduce implementation |
| 16:56.56 | yonkeltron | in the standard repos, that is |
| 16:57.14 | rozie | havocologe: dmesg? logs? |
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| 16:58.19 | cydork | yonkeltron, no one filed a RFP? :) |
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| 16:59.24 | yonkeltron | cydork: where can i do that? |
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| 16:59.50 | yonkeltron | searches |
| 16:59.55 | yonkeltron | dpkg: help |
| 17:00.02 | cydork | yonkeltron, check /msg dpkg rfp |
| 17:00.11 | havocologe | •rozie• prism54pci: probe of 0000:01:01.0 failed with error -2 is what dmesg gives me... |
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| 17:00.59 | yonkeltron | ahhh..ok |
| 17:01.02 | yonkeltron | i'll look at this then |
| 17:01.44 | SQlvpapir | packages.debian.org down? |
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| 17:02.19 | ajavid | PING packages.debian.org (87.106.64.223) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 17:02.40 | ajavid | it open in browser and searches |
| 17:02.41 | ajavid | its fine |
| 17:03.00 | SQlvpapir | ah up again now, nice |
| 17:03.02 | yonkeltron | SQlvpapir: i just used it |
| 17:03.27 | SQlvpapir | yonkeltron: yeah it was down for me like 2minutes |
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| 17:06.36 | d-z111 | dns is still switching? |
| 17:06.59 | aldoreset | hello when you use dovecotpw -s md5 -p TOTO that do not give you the same hash. |
| 17:07.06 | aldoreset | on debian lenny |
| 17:07.54 | aldoreset | dovecotpw -s md5 -p TOTO |
| 17:07.54 | aldoreset | {MD5}$1$HwDtpD.6$HmH3Mw.KiTbKK51byChSd1 |
| 17:08.03 | aldoreset | dovecotpw -s md5 -p TOTO |
| 17:08.03 | aldoreset | {MD5}$1$6w4oS9ms$3ZNpuFKBw4Kz6j6HBaehf. |
| 17:08.08 | aldoreset | is it a bug ? |
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| 17:08.54 | cantido | the hash might be salted.. check the docs |
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| 17:09.24 | aldoreset | yes but if you want retreive the password it's must be stable ? |
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| 17:09.57 | cantido | aldoreset: you can't retrieve the original data from a hash, that's sort of the point |
| 17:10.10 | havocologe | •rozie• according to dmesg, my system does not find the firmware for the wlan-device |
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| 17:10.56 | mesa_booger | havocologe: how did you get that funky • to appear ? |
| 17:11.20 | aldoreset | cantido; i you use md5 hash for password you can check it. |
| 17:11.34 | aldoreset | if md5 change how compare password |
| 17:11.55 | aldoreset | whith other schema hash is stable |
| 17:11.57 | cantido | aldoreset: if you know the salt that was added to the password to generate that hash.. |
| 17:13.22 | havocologe | mesa_booger think my irc script is doing it if i reply :) |
| 17:14.05 | aldoreset | candido: is generate md5 password with dovecotpw, you do not provide the salt, you give only clean password. |
| 17:14.23 | aldoreset | dovecotpw give you the hash that you put in your passwordfield |
| 17:14.39 | aldoreset | if hash change is it not possible to verify password. |
| 17:15.09 | aldoreset | all schema give the same hash with the same clear password. MD5 function in PHP give the Salt. |
| 17:15.12 | cantido | aldoreset: if that's a normal md5 hash how come it has dollar symbols and other shit in there? |
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| 17:16.03 | cantido | aldoreset: maybe the salt is generated by dovecotpasswd and encoded into that string.. that seems to be the case from the quick search I did |
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| 17:16.46 | aldoreset | candido: i think that is a bug. |
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| 17:17.06 | aldoreset | i try on dovecot channel..; |
| 17:17.20 | cantido | aldoreset: ok, so how come the hash, which should only be 0-9 or A-F has $ etc in there? |
| 17:17.30 | cantido | aldoreset: http://markmail.org/message/265mjqlz6cqgs7kg#query:dovecotpw salt+page:1+mid:gk3me5gjdkjm72ft+state:results |
| 17:17.53 | d-z111 | er what are the appropriate steps to recompile a package? |
| 17:17.55 | cantido | aldoreset: why does that mailing list post suggest that dovecotpw's salt generation is weak? |
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| 17:18.59 | havocologe | rozi any ideas why the firmware cannot be loaded ? |
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| 17:19.46 | cantido | aldoreset: "MD5-CRYPT: MD5 based salted password hash nowadays commonly used in" from the dovecot site |
| 17:20.16 | yonkeltron | cydork: RFP for hadoop filed |
| 17:20.18 | cahoot | havocologe: no clue in the msg in dmesg? |
| 17:20.21 | yonkeltron | it's a huge-ass project |
| 17:20.36 | yonkeltron | like 5-sub projects which i expect will be broken up into various packages |
| 17:20.48 | cydork | yonkeltron, yep that's why the elephant :) |
| 17:20.50 | havocologe | •cahoot• ofc there is a clue: http://pastebin.org/217 |
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| 17:21.43 | havocologe | cahoot but i have the firmware at the correct position (/lib/firmware/isl3886) |
| 17:21.46 | aldoreset | cantido:the proble is not the salt, the prb i have a client that send me MD5 password (hash form) over the net and the challend md5 must give me the same password or the same hash, if not, auth is not ok. |
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| 17:22.20 | sylar | do you know which fs is recommended for linux on flash drive? |
| 17:22.30 | ajavid | vfat |
| 17:22.33 | nsx | if it's a mtd, jffs2 |
| 17:22.39 | nsx | otherwise, fat |
| 17:22.48 | sylar | its a usb flash drive |
| 17:22.52 | sylar | cruzer |
| 17:22.57 | sylar | titanum |
| 17:22.59 | cantido | aldoreset: the client will send the password in the format dictated by the login method being used |
| 17:23.16 | sylar | I am trying to install with ext3, and it takes a few hours |
| 17:23.27 | cantido | aldoreset: dovecot will then check that against it's db.. |
| 17:23.34 | aldoreset | clientside: dovecotpw -md5 password; serverside, make dovecotpw -md5 clearstoredpassword, compare the result if the same so connect. but if dovecotpw do not give the same password that make a prb. |
| 17:23.53 | nsx | usb drives have their own wear levelling, so you can use pretty much any fs you want, but fat is among the most compatible between operating systems |
| 17:24.02 | nsx | and one of the simplest, so it probably leads to fewer writes |
| 17:24.02 | cantido | aldoreset: how are you connecting to dovecot? pop3 or imap? |
| 17:24.11 | nsx | you definitely wouldn't want to use a journaling fs |
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| 17:24.14 | aldoreset | and is it ok whith cram-md5 or digest-md5 schema. |
| 17:24.42 | cantido | aldoreset: the hash used to store the password on the server doesn't matter.. the login method doesnt see that |
| 17:24.42 | aldoreset | cantido: is it the prb to connect in pop3 or imap, the prb is auth |
| 17:25.08 | cantido | aldoreset: i.e. you login with a plain auth and dovecot hashes the password sent and checks it on the server |
| 17:25.30 | aldoreset | cantido: yes and the given hash equal the hash store. |
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| 17:26.06 | monkey_d_luffy | "No manual entry for pthread_exit" how do I find out where this manpage is, so that I can install it |
| 17:26.18 | cantido | aldoreset: with a login method that uses a hash.. dovecot should send the client the salt that it needs to embedded into it's plain text |
| 17:26.59 | sylar | I think about the performance of it and of course the life time. Yet , don't you remember dos fat having to check the filesystem every so often? |
| 17:27.11 | cantido | aldoreset: 1 client connects, 2 dovecot asks for a hash of password + this salt, 3 client sends it's resulting has, 4 profit |
| 17:27.14 | hikenboot | hello can anyone tell me what partition table the installer installs onto 1TB drives by default I would rather not use a dos partition table since I dont want the partition count limits.. |
| 17:27.30 | zaltekk | can someone recommend a book about debian? or maybe a general-purpose linux book? |
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| 17:28.02 | cantido | hikenboot: you use a DOS partition table otherwise the bios won't load your bootloader |
| 17:28.04 | hikenboot | I can seem to open a console during the installer operation ctrl+shift f2,f3,f4 dont open one so apparently its not available |
| 17:28.21 | cantido | hikenboot: you can use logical partitions or LVM on top of that |
| 17:28.24 | zaltekk | ctrl+alt+f2? |
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| 17:29.56 | hikenboot | I want to use raid and lvm for all but the swap and /boot partiton boot partition only being raid 1, I am making a lot of partitions for virtual machines to run out of.. |
| 17:30.01 | yonkeltron | cydork: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535861 |
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| 17:30.15 | hikenboot | ctrl+alt+f2 doesnt seem to to bring it up for some reason |
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| 17:30.25 | cantido | hikenboot: you should use raid1 for /boot to really |
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| 17:30.50 | hikenboot | yes i am using raid 1 on /boot but not lvm |
| 17:30.57 | hikenboot | since there is bugs with it |
| 17:31.22 | cydork | yonkeltron, Great :) |
| 17:31.27 | cantido | hikenboot: so... create two partitions in your MBR partition table, on for boot and one for you LVM |
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| 17:33.11 | hikenboot | and one for swap but can i run raid 1 with multiple lvm volumes on top? it makes no difference? between raid 1 with each lvm volume or with raid 1 for a group of lvm volumes? |
| 17:33.35 | yonkeltron | cydork: i might do ones for disco (erlang/python) and skynet (ruby) as well |
| 17:33.52 | cantido | hikenboot: you do RAID1 on the block devices, the two partitions.. and your LVM is inside the md device |
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| 17:34.15 | hikenboot | ah ok for some reason i thought that wasnt allowed thanks |
| 17:34.17 | cydork | yonkeltron, yeah true.. have heard you about bash-reduce? |
| 17:35.02 | cantido | hikenboot: well, RAID1 is just two copies of the same data.. it's nothing magic |
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| 17:35.37 | cydork | hmm my English is getting worse.. |
| 17:35.58 | cantido | hikenboot: you should RAID /boot though and make sure the bootloader is on both disks, otherwise when one disk dies you might not be able to boot anymore ;) |
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| 17:40.37 | matt5 | what would be the normal way of putting debian on a pc with a non-operational dvd and cd drives? (they seem to have fallen to some mechanical failure) |
| 17:40.42 | ultar | hi all ;-) |
| 17:41.17 | cantido | matt5: usb, netboot, use the windows loader |
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| 17:41.57 | matt5 | cantido: which would you prefer for a novice? |
| 17:42.17 | cantido | matt5: is there an os on the machine already? |
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| 17:42.35 | matt5 | cantido: yes, xp, I would prefer to have it dual-boot. |
| 17:43.02 | cantido | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 17:43.47 | matt5 | Uhmmm? |
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| 17:44.37 | cantido | matt5: installs debian from windows :) |
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| 17:44.58 | yonkeltron | cydork: i have. but i don't think it's for clustering |
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| 17:46.20 | Oxy | I have a vpn client set up on Lenny, and I want to route all traffic on my network from other computers through Lenny so that I have VPN access on all devices. Anyone know what in particular I should read into to accomplish this? I'm not a networking master, so i just need a good starting point here (i.e best way to route traffic through lenny). |
| 17:46.32 | cydork | yonkeltron, yes it can handle clustering, you just need passwordless ssh setup. |
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| 17:47.03 | matt5 | cantido: and, this won't be a make-pretend installation, would it? it'll actually do the grub configs.. aaaand.. I |
| 17:47.17 | matt5 | I've 5 partitions, each about 75% filled.. how is it to deal with that? |
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| 17:47.50 | cantido | matt5: The installer can resize ntfs partitions if I remember correctly |
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| 17:48.45 | cantido | matt5: from what I remember it adds a new menu item into Windows' bootloader to start the install and then it's exactly the same as installing debian from CD |
| 17:49.13 | matt5 | cantido: wow, this is perfect.. thank you so much. |
| 17:49.52 | cantido | matt5: I would take backups of important stuff first though |
| 17:50.04 | bullgard4 | What does 'PWLib' stand for in the terminal output of '~$ ekiga -d 4'? |
| 17:50.58 | matt5 | cantido: that'd be a lot of backing up :) but okay. |
| 17:51.13 | cantido | bullgard4: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libpt-1.10.10 |
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| 17:52.32 | bullgard4 | cantido: Thank you. |
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| 17:56.20 | ajavid | you can't call a member method on a non-object, instantiate it first... make sure its not a singleton. |
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| 17:56.30 | ajavid | oops. |
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| 17:57.44 | fxiny | ajavid: go on with your pin :P |
| 17:58.04 | ajavid | my pin |
| 17:58.04 | ajavid | ? |
| 17:58.05 | ajavid | I don't get it, (the joke) |
| 17:58.05 | fxiny | bank account |
| 17:58.05 | ajavid | oh lol |
| 17:58.05 | ajavid | I still don't get it |
| 17:58.30 | ajavid | how is bank account related to programming in the wrong channel ? :D |
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| 17:59.06 | ajavid | oh I see |
| 17:59.16 | rysiek|pl | takes out a notepad |
| 17:59.25 | ajavid | fxiny, no, thats one thing I will never do here, no need to. No need to type that in irc, for any reason |
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| 17:59.30 | ajavid | :) |
| 17:59.30 | cantido | ajavid: you use static methods for stuff like that.. if your language has static methods |
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| 17:59.44 | ajavid | cantido, I was helping this guy out |
| 18:00.03 | ajavid | cantido, he was trying to call a method on a singleton |
| 18:00.21 | ajavid | and make it non-static, which obviously will result in exception |
| 18:00.23 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: you can give me your bank account number, credit card number and your PIN, and I'll tell you if they're already compromised/stolen by somebody |
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| 18:01.08 | ajavid | cantido, told him to not use singleton unless its a object that needs to only have 1 instance always (newbie guy, had to explain a little bit) |
| 18:01.08 | cantido | mmm singletons.. classes that end up being not all that single and causing massive headache. ah |
| 18:01.17 | ajavid | cantido, indeed |
| 18:02.29 | ajavid | cantido, for example, in an MVC application it makes sense to have the Front Controller as a Singleton instance |
| 18:02.44 | ajavid | cantido, same for Router and few other importnat ones |
| 18:02.55 | ajavid | it just depends on what it is |
| 18:03.04 | cantido | ajavid: mmm I only really have experience with JSF applications like that.. but you use managed beans for that |
| 18:03.36 | cantido | ajavid: if you only have one instance of a class and multiple threads start entering it everything soon goes to shit.. :) |
| 18:03.45 | ajavid | cantido, right |
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| 18:04.00 | ajavid | cantido, unless garbage if properly collected (manual thread management) |
| 18:04.07 | ajavid | s/if/is |
| 18:04.07 | rysiek|pl | cantido: "if you have a problem, and your proposed solution are threads - you have two problems" ;) |
| 18:04.09 | cydork | design patterns are OT! and I hate JSF, nothing personal though |
| 18:04.15 | ajavid | right |
| 18:04.23 | ajavid | got carried away, it IS a sunday afterall |
| 18:04.25 | ajavid | !sunday |
| 18:04.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:04.29 | ajavid | sunday bloody sunday |
| 18:04.32 | cantido | monday here |
| 18:04.37 | rysiek|pl | ouch |
| 18:04.40 | fxiny | cantido: hey ! hahah you back ? |
| 18:04.44 | fxiny | oops |
| 18:04.49 | fxiny | cydork: ^^^^ |
| 18:04.51 | cydork | fxiny, learn to type?? :) |
| 18:04.54 | cantido | cydork: JSF ain't bad, it's all the crappy frameworks like richfaces that are bad |
| 18:05.08 | fxiny | cantido: in the evening ? can't do that :) |
| 18:05.25 | cydork | fxiny, haha you just did that again :) |
| 18:05.40 | fxiny | cydork: heheeh |
| 18:05.58 | cydork | cantido, yes it is.. But won't talk about it here |
| 18:05.58 | fxiny | cydork: so , are you here in bananaland ? |
| 18:06.41 | fxiny | cydork: i see , you are not here :) |
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| 18:06.55 | cydork | fxiny, :) |
| 18:07.37 | cantido | mmmm programming isn't all that OT really is it. sigh |
| 18:08.05 | fxiny | rysiek|pl: that is a "rob service" method on a single withdraw ;) |
| 18:08.08 | marcel` | myabe this sounds a bit stupid, do i need a raind controler for raid 1? or can i just connect two hdds? |
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| 18:08.19 | miniBill | where to set LANG ? |
| 18:08.45 | rysiek|pl | fxiny: the positive thing is: he *would* get a precise and 100% true answer, you know... ;) |
| 18:08.59 | cantido | marcel`: all types of RAID can be done in software,.. but yes you can connect to disks and the debian-installer will allow you to configure them as a RAID1 |
| 18:09.07 | fxiny | rysiek|pl: yes ! |
| 18:09.12 | cantido | marcel`: s/to disks/two disks/ |
| 18:09.21 | ajavid | fxiny, rysiek|pl cantido, ##coding |
| 18:09.22 | marcel` | cantido: thanks |
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| 18:09.30 | fxiny | ajavid: trust *us* :P |
| 18:09.31 | ajavid | i just made it for coding talks |
| 18:09.34 | ajavid | if you guys want to talk more |
| 18:09.35 | ajavid | :) |
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| 18:09.53 | miniBill | for me its ok :) |
| 18:10.00 | miniBill | but please answer my question :D |
| 18:10.07 | cantido | miniBill: why do you need to set $LANG? |
| 18:10.12 | ajavid | miniBill, export LANG = |
| 18:10.15 | ajavid | !locales |
| 18:10.15 | miniBill | because its empty |
| 18:10.15 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors> |
| 18:10.29 | miniBill | exactly what I needed |
| 18:10.32 | ajavid | i know. |
| 18:10.35 | ajavid | miniBill, enjoy |
| 18:10.44 | zaltekk | can someone recommend a book about debian? or maybe a general-purpose linux book? |
| 18:10.49 | ajavid | !grounding |
| 18:10.50 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 18:10.51 | cantido | unless he only need to set it once,.. |
| 18:12.14 | miniBill | i know how to set it once, fortunately :) |
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| 18:12.19 | miniBill | but thanks for caring |
| 18:13.33 | ajavid | !book |
| 18:13.33 | dpkg | methinks book is on the table |
| 18:13.35 | miniBill | bye |
| 18:13.37 | ajavid | stupid bot |
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| 18:13.48 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 18:13.48 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 18:13.49 | rysiek|pl | zaltekk: I have found "Ubuntu Unleashed" quite good, and while it's quite ubuntu-centric, it gives a lot information on Linux per se |
| 18:14.11 | rysiek|pl | hides before he get's killed by angry mob |
| 18:14.16 | ajavid | !debian books |
| 18:14.17 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
| 18:14.22 | rysiek|pl | sed s/get's/gets/ |
| 18:14.28 | rysiek|pl | ffs, stupid mistake |
| 18:14.28 | ajavid | zaltekk, look here |
| 18:14.32 | cantido | I find most linux books are out of date before they get published |
| 18:14.36 | ajavid | !tell zaltekk -about debian books |
| 18:14.47 | rysiek|pl | cantido: +1, almost |
| 18:14.49 | ajavid | cydork, yo come on buddy |
| 18:14.53 | zaltekk | i found some books about debian on amazon...but most of them are over 5 years old |
| 18:14.56 | zaltekk | some 10 years old |
| 18:15.04 | ajavid | you don't need a book man |
| 18:15.05 | rysiek|pl | zaltekk: forget about them, then |
| 18:15.17 | rysiek|pl | zaltekk: the best way to learn is to get one's hands dirty |
| 18:15.24 | ajavid | !tell zaltekk -about grounding |
| 18:15.26 | fxiny | zaltekk: want something really nice ? be ready for debonf2009 live streaming |
| 18:15.30 | rysiek|pl | IRC+Google+Debian in a VM to play with |
| 18:15.32 | ajavid | this is abotu everything you may need as beginner |
| 18:15.34 | rysiek|pl | zaltekk: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 18:15.43 | zaltekk | fxiny: when is that? |
| 18:15.51 | ajavid | this summer |
| 18:15.53 | ajavid | in spain |
| 18:15.54 | zaltekk | okay |
| 18:15.57 | cantido | zaltekk: there's so much you could do with "linux" that there's not going to be a single book for it |
| 18:16.00 | ajavid | next year in New York! |
| 18:16.02 | fxiny | zaltekk: soon , google for it |
| 18:16.03 | ajavid | Columbian Univ. |
| 18:16.07 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: streaming available only in spain? pity... |
| 18:16.09 | ajavid | DebConf 2010 |
| 18:16.14 | ajavid | rysiek|pl, no |
| 18:16.18 | ajavid | what, why only spain |
| 18:16.25 | ajavid | no i mean its being held in spain |
| 18:16.27 | ajavid | !debconf |
| 18:16.27 | dpkg | Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html |
| 18:16.31 | ajavid | doh |
| 18:16.36 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: just messing with ya |
| 18:16.38 | zaltekk | i've used freebsd on my desktop and had a book called Absolute FreeBSD that explained in large detail configuration with the freebsd-specific files in /etc/ |
| 18:16.46 | zaltekk | i was hoping to find something similar for debian |
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| 18:17.02 | fxiny | ajavid: hahahah |
| 18:17.05 | rysiek|pl | zaltekk: google's your friend; also - grounding... |
| 18:17.26 | cantido | zaltekk: /usr/share/doc |
| 18:17.32 | ajavid | !books |
| 18:17.33 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
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| 18:17.52 | fxiny | zaltekk: yes , www.debian.org |
| 18:18.01 | zaltekk | i'll check the book list out |
| 18:18.06 | zaltekk | although most of them seem old as well |
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| 18:18.15 | ajavid | The aim of this freely available, up-to-date, book is to get you up to speed with Debian |
| 18:18.21 | ajavid | URL: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
| 18:18.22 | cydork | zaltekk, also most files in /etc have man 5 entries :) |
| 18:18.25 | ajavid | Debian GNU/Linux Desktop Survival Guide |
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| 18:18.50 | zaltekk | cydork: okay. i think i'll start my reading there |
| 18:19.03 | cantido | didn't think there was a lenny book out.. |
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| 18:19.50 | ajavid | Let's freely share our knowledge. What's the point otherwise? |
| 18:19.52 | ajavid | Printed May 3, 2009 |
| 18:19.59 | ajavid | fairly damn upto date book |
| 18:20.02 | ajavid | one of the best |
| 18:20.08 | Sashi | how can i delete all locale but keep US? |
| 18:20.08 | cantido | ajavid: only in English? |
| 18:20.18 | cantido | Sashi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:20.34 | ajavid | ~other languages too on the !books factoid site |
| 18:20.35 | ajavid | look |
| 18:20.37 | ajavid | http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 18:20.40 | fxiny | Sashi: yes , look into localepurge first |
| 18:20.49 | ajavid | and I'm sure you can try google translation on it |
| 18:20.50 | cantido | fxiny: bad idea |
| 18:20.58 | ajavid | no sure how well it will be translated to your lanague |
| 18:21.00 | ajavid | but you can try it |
| 18:21.04 | fxiny | cantido: i know |
| 18:21.19 | cantido | ajavid: my language is English, I was thinking of the other half. |
| 18:22.01 | Sashi | well i dont even have locale installed |
| 18:22.11 | ajavid | !locales |
| 18:22.11 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors> |
| 18:22.13 | Sashi | yet theres a bunch in .usr/share/locale |
| 18:22.18 | fxiny | locales |
| 18:22.20 | ajavid | install locales package |
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| 18:22.35 | Sashi | yea but why is there a bunch in /usr/share/locales? |
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| 18:22.39 | ajavid | it will ask you what you want, simply only chose en_US-utf8 |
| 18:22.51 | cantido | Sashi: they are generated by defauly until you use the locales package to configure which ones you want |
| 18:22.59 | ajavid | Sashi, dont' worry about that stuff |
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| 18:23.11 | Sashi | doesnt that stuff take up space tho? |
| 18:23.14 | ajavid | 1) fix problem |
| 18:23.16 | ajavid | 2) ask questions later |
| 18:23.33 | ajavid | otherwise you get side tracked in questions |
| 18:23.51 | cantido | ajavid: none of the books on that package seem to be for lenny realy |
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| 18:23.57 | cantido | s/realy/really |
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| 18:24.21 | ajavid | cantido, if you need a book to use lenny... |
| 18:24.27 | ajavid | well... lets just leave it at ... |
| 18:25.05 | cantido | ajavid: well, there are more options for network interfaces in lenny for example |
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| 18:26.39 | zaltekk | i want something to sit down and read cover to cover rather than try to find all of the man pages for things that might come in handy to know... |
| 18:26.47 | zaltekk | it just seems like a quicker way to get up to pace |
| 18:27.16 | ajavid | zaltekk, good luck with the search, if/when you do come across good debian books, please come back and let us know |
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| 18:27.34 | ajavid | zaltekk, we'll put the links to them |
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| 18:27.42 | cantido | zaltekk: The debian website has an admin guide though, it's probably the reason an extensive book doesn't exist |
| 18:28.19 | zaltekk | ajavid: that online book looks very useful. and i found "Debian GNU-Linux Guide to Installation and Usage" that was published in may on amazon |
| 18:28.20 | zaltekk | http://www.amazon.com/Debian-GNU-Linux-Guide-Installation-ebook/dp/B002B54MCO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246818466&sr=8-1 |
| 18:28.31 | ajavid | ok |
| 18:28.32 | ajavid | for that |
| 18:28.36 | ajavid | useless |
| 18:28.36 | zaltekk | although i haven't had a chance to go to the bookstore and check it out...also, it seems that amazon only lists a kindle version |
| 18:28.37 | ajavid | !ig |
| 18:28.37 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 18:28.41 | ajavid | this is what you need |
| 18:28.55 | zaltekk | i didn't really need an installation guide :P |
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| 18:29.12 | zaltekk | i was just saying it is the only recent book i found on amazon |
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| 18:30.37 | cantido | I like that the only review for that book is some really bad Engrish. |
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| 18:31.15 | fxiny | zaltekk: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 18:31.46 | ajavid | oh ok |
| 18:31.52 | feld | anyone else here on sid and using the ia32-apt-get? before it would give me a ton of ia32 packages when i use my regular apt-get. now it doesnt. however, if i explicitly use ia32-apt-get i see i have 6000+ packages (i chose just libraries). is this ... |
| 18:31.55 | ajavid | well it looked like you were looking for a book on isntallation |
| 18:31.56 | feld | ... the current desired behavior? |
| 18:32.03 | ajavid | feld, sid not supported here. |
| 18:32.08 | ajavid | feld, good luck. |
| 18:32.19 | ajavid | np: (Gil Amran) (This Side Up) (DNA) (Psychedelic) (4:55m) (2006) (0/0) |
| 18:32.21 | feld | ajavid: is there even a sid channel where i can talk to other sid users? |
| 18:32.27 | ajavid | feld, #debian |
| 18:32.28 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:32.35 | fxiny | ajavid: i think he's looking for something like freebsd book |
| 18:32.39 | cantido | feld: why do you need ia32 packages anyhow? |
| 18:32.44 | ajavid | feld, just letting you know, there is no official sid support |
| 18:33.02 | ajavid | cantido, for 32bit binary programs |
| 18:33.04 | feld | cantido: ... because i have 32 applications that require libraries |
| 18:33.12 | pipeline | feld: you're there |
| 18:33.20 | cantido | feld: 32bit libs are in the amd64 repo |
| 18:33.24 | ajavid | let me find the news post about it |
| 18:33.27 | ajavid | goswin |
| 18:33.27 | zaltekk | ajavid: nope. more like a reference manual. like i said before, i think that the online book you linked me to is exactly what i was looking for. |
| 18:33.43 | fxiny | zaltekk: you can install it |
| 18:33.44 | action09 | what's the pertinence to usez wajig instead of aptitude ? |
| 18:33.46 | action09 | please |
| 18:33.49 | feld | cantido: you don't understand; you obviously haven't seen the news about the 32bit transition on 64bit Debian squeeze/sid |
| 18:33.57 | zaltekk | fxiny: install what? |
| 18:34.19 | ajavid | im too lazy right now |
| 18:34.25 | cydork | action09, pertinence? |
| 18:34.38 | hikenboot | cantido, do you have any experience with grub2? |
| 18:34.41 | cantido | feld: you mean you're converting a i386 system into an amd64 one? |
| 18:34.45 | ajavid | action09, wajig is a wrapper for various tools |
| 18:34.46 | ajavid | !wajig |
| 18:34.46 | dpkg | Wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selection of the appropriate tool for you. Wajig also never needs to be run as root - it will call sudo as necessary. To get wajig, apt-get install wajig. |
| 18:35.08 | ajavid | I don't use it, and neither do 099% serious debianers |
| 18:35.10 | ajavid | 99% |
| 18:35.11 | cantido | hikenboot: grub2-efi.. which the debian packages don't work because of Apple's busted EFI implementation |
| 18:35.13 | fxiny | zaltekk: apt-cache show debian-policy , apt-cache search <your-search> |
| 18:35.23 | action09 | cydork hmm it's a front-end, a collection of tools. i'd always used apt and now aptitude |
| 18:35.36 | ajavid | #grub2 |
| 18:35.39 | zaltekk | fxiny: i still don't know what you are trying to tell me how to do |
| 18:35.42 | ajavid | no? |
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| 18:35.57 | ajavid | should be a channel for grub i guess they grub in old grub |
| 18:36.01 | ajavid | #grub |
| 18:36.03 | cantido | hikenboot: for your RAID1/LVM setup your don't need grub2 though |
| 18:36.06 | cydork | action09, i know what wajig is.. i was asking what does pertinence mean? |
| 18:36.12 | action09 | cydork i'm asking myseld what Debian position on administration: wajig easier (for multi user systems and easy administration) or aptitude ? |
| 18:36.17 | ajavid | cydork, dictionary.com |
| 18:36.19 | hikenboot | ok no problem thanks again |
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| 18:36.23 | ajavid | cydork, c'mon man |
| 18:36.26 | cantido | hikenboot: grub 1.96 (or whatever it is now) will work fine with a /boot |
| 18:36.37 | jda2000 | Hi! I'm trying to fix the "blank screen on iMac G3" as described here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=171175 but my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is empty. So i'm stumped. Anybody have an xorg.conf that works for iMac? TIA! |
| 18:36.39 | cydork | action09, anyways use aptitude.. ask dpkg why aptitude |
| 18:36.42 | fxiny | zaltekk: jyst started ? type that in a terminal |
| 18:36.47 | hikenboot | does it work with lvm volumes with ext4 parititions? |
| 18:36.56 | cantido | jda2000: check you Xorg logs |
| 18:36.58 | ajavid | hikenboot, no |
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| 18:37.01 | ajavid | hikenboot, grub2 does |
| 18:37.03 | cantido | hikenboot: why do you have ext3 |
| 18:37.04 | action09 | cydork sorry for my bad english :) i didn't know myself what wajyg was ;) i mean what's the "usage" which one to use first.. |
| 18:37.06 | zaltekk | fxiny: ...i still don't know what you are trying to help me do... |
| 18:37.07 | cantido | hikenboot: ext4? |
| 18:37.25 | zaltekk | i was just asking for literature recommendations, not how to install software |
| 18:37.25 | ajavid | hikenboot, grub will not work on ext4, and you need to put your /boot seperate from any lvm or raid |
| 18:37.29 | action09 | cydork anyway thanks taking time answering i'll make myself an opinion by testing it :) |
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| 18:37.41 | cantido | hikenboot: also... if you're boot partition is something sensible grub will work with it... the initramfs is responsible for setting up LVM etc |
| 18:37.55 | hikenboot | for faster performance ...i have a custom kernel 2.3.29 with ext 4 support |
| 18:37.58 | fxiny | zaltekk: you can browse on line or install all documentation you want for offline browsing |
| 18:38.04 | cydork | action09, also if you use emacs it has a wajig mode. just a tip :) |
| 18:38.04 | hikenboot | aho so i cant raid 1 boot? |
| 18:38.12 | ajavid | hikenboot, do you have .29 linux-kbuild? |
| 18:38.24 | ajavid | hikenboot, apt-cache policy linux-kbuild-2.6.29 |
| 18:38.29 | zaltekk | fxiny: oh, that's what you were saying. the online docs are available through apt? |
| 18:38.32 | hikenboot | yes i setup 2.6.29 with kbuild |
| 18:38.33 | action09 | cydork ok thanks :) |
| 18:38.38 | fxiny | zaltekk: yes |
| 18:38.38 | ajavid | hikenboot, hm |
| 18:38.41 | cantido | hikenboot: you will boot from a single drive until the initramfs brings up the array and chroots into it |
| 18:38.41 | ajavid | hikenboot, stable? |
| 18:38.46 | zaltekk | okay, thanks :P |
| 18:38.57 | jda2000 | cantido, Logs are very consistent with no xorg.conf scenario many messages about defaults used. |
| 18:39.14 | cantido | jda2000: there's no errors? |
| 18:39.24 | hikenboot | i believe it is i have patches that have been added as hand me downs from gentoo that are said to make it stable but i dont know yet |
| 18:39.35 | ajavid | oh boy. |
| 18:39.42 | fxiny | zaltekk: try this : apt-cache search doc-debian then apt-cache show doc-debian |
| 18:39.51 | cantido | hikenboot: I doubt you know why you should be using ext4 really |
| 18:40.17 | cantido | hikenboot: but as long as your /boot is ext3 everything will be fine with grub |
| 18:40.26 | ajavid | cantido, its the new trend, didn't you hear. |
| 18:40.49 | ajavid | I like extends btw |
| 18:40.50 | cantido | ajavid: nothing new really :/ |
| 18:40.51 | hikenboot | correct me if i am wrong but it is said to have a 12 to 25 percent performance gain...but I am not sure if that is only on large file systems my vm parititions are only 50 gig each |
| 18:41.05 | ajavid | I have a 1tb full of actual dvd images, 4-8gb |
| 18:41.21 | cantido | hikenboot: performance gains ... *WHERE* .. small files? large files? writes? |
| 18:41.25 | ajavid | for that it made sense to use ext4 and go through the touble of getting a .30 kernel on stable |
| 18:41.40 | cantido | xfs handles big files just fine |
| 18:41.40 | ajavid | as for just using it just to use it and not knowing why you are using ext |
| 18:41.41 | cydork | hikenboot, that depends check the phoronix benchmarks.. |
| 18:41.46 | ajavid | its kind of a waste |
| 18:41.53 | ajavid | you don't _gain_ anything with ext4 |
| 18:41.57 | hikenboot | reads and writes...each vm is on its own partition so no harddrive emulation |
| 18:42.15 | hikenboot | loop files i mena |
| 18:42.17 | hikenboot | mean |
| 18:42.21 | cantido | hikenboot: you still have harddisk emulation. |
| 18:42.45 | ajavid | if you're using windows, I'd go with Xen+qemu |
| 18:42.57 | ajavid | if you tryin to setup many *nix systems use Xen |
| 18:42.59 | cantido | hikenboot: for best disk performance inside you VM's you need to feed them raw devices, so you don't have to go through multiple FS layers |
| 18:43.05 | ajavid | do not use virtualbox or vmware |
| 18:43.13 | ajavid | Xen is pretty damn fast |
| 18:43.16 | pipeline | cantido, hikenboot : That's not true. |
| 18:43.27 | pipeline | cantido, hikenboot : I/O is bloody miserable an a VM no matter how you get the job done. |
| 18:43.36 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: don't you need to have those cpu extensions for Xen? |
| 18:43.41 | pipeline | cantido, hikenboot : Using an RDM versus a VMDK is uh... pointless. |
| 18:43.48 | ajavid | rysiek|pl, yeh, of course full setup |
| 18:43.49 | hikenboot | I wanted to use lvm for vm snapshots |
| 18:43.50 | pipeline | rysiek|pl: yes, unless your guest OS supports all of the paravirtualisation stuff. |
| 18:43.55 | cantido | pipeline: eh? how so? |
| 18:44.12 | pipeline | cantido: The overhead from using a VMDK is tiny compared to the overhead from it being a VM in the first place. |
| 18:44.19 | cantido | pipeline: writing disk blocks to a raw block device is going to be faster than writing blocks to an FS |
| 18:44.21 | jda2000 | cantido, sure there are: "Not using default mode .... (hsync out of range)" But I'm supposed to be changing a HorizSync and VertRefresh value in there according to instructions. |
| 18:44.28 | pipeline | cantido: not by any significant amount |
| 18:44.41 | hikenboot | I am not using vmware or suns i am using plain old xen..does this make a difference? |
| 18:44.42 | rysiek|pl | pipeline: humm, not good. I have a server that's going to become a virtualisation box (2-3 VMs), but the CPU lacks the extensions |
| 18:44.43 | ajavid | (actually, anytime I use vmware, I make sure to use ACTUAL physical disks instead of files) |
| 18:44.52 | pipeline | cantido: the big overhead comes from the part where you're writing blocks from a VM. Where the blocks come from doesn't matter. |
| 18:44.52 | ajavid | much faster, and stable, not unstable at all |
| 18:45.00 | cantido | pipeline: you're talking about vmware images too right? |
| 18:45.08 | rysiek|pl | pipeline: VirtualBox workes quite ok, but it's not the Right Thing, now, is it ;) |
| 18:45.09 | ajavid | virtualbox is kinda an asshole though, but vmware works perfectly on physical disks |
| 18:45.10 | pipeline | rysiek|pl: VMware Server does not require the virtualisation extensions. VMware Server 1.x is much nicer to use than 2.x. |
| 18:45.33 | hikenboot | vmware server and virtual box have 30 percent overhead from what i understand |
| 18:45.33 | rysiek|pl | pipeline: bah, yeah, but it's not FLOSS, right? |
| 18:45.36 | ajavid | there is a virtual booger in my nose. |
| 18:45.37 | pipeline | cantido: It doesn't matter. This is a problem shared by all of the virtualisation products. |
| 18:45.42 | hikenboot | xen is only 3-8 |
| 18:45.42 | pipeline | rysiek|pl: Nope. |
| 18:45.48 | rysiek|pl | oh? |
| 18:45.50 | rysiek|pl | digs |
| 18:45.53 | cantido | pipeline: fastest way would be to allow the guest direct access to the hardware.. |
| 18:45.57 | pipeline | hikenboot: That's insane. |
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| 18:46.03 | pipeline | cantido: that's not possible on today's hardware. |
| 18:46.08 | pipeline | hikenboot: I've never heard anything of the kind. |
| 18:46.13 | cantido | pipeline: you can forward PCI devices in Xen |
| 18:46.20 | ajavid | somethign similar though |
| 18:46.22 | pipeline | cantido: not really. |
| 18:46.28 | cantido | pipeline: you would need a controller for each vm though ;) |
| 18:46.29 | pipeline | cantido: not without IOMMUs - something that there's no standard for. |
| 18:46.39 | ajavid | two seperate chipsets |
| 18:46.41 | rysiek|pl | pipeline: wikipedia: License Proprietary, Freeware (certain underlying components used are open source[1]) |
| 18:46.45 | ajavid | rest is shared |
| 18:46.46 | rysiek|pl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMWare_Server |
| 18:46.54 | pipeline | cantido: without IOMMUs, however you implement it, you run into the same problem. |
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| 18:46.56 | ajavid | cpu controller allocates hardware resources between multiple OS |
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| 18:47.04 | ajavid | each Os is embedded on an actual wafer |
| 18:47.07 | pipeline | cantido: when you find magical prototype hardware with supported IOMMUs, let me know. |
| 18:47.13 | ajavid | I'm surprised you've never heard of this. |
| 18:47.21 | ajavid | (school stuff) |
| 18:47.21 | pipeline | rysiek|pl: I mean, no, it's not FLOSS. You asked whether it was FLOSS. I said no :P |
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| 18:48.02 | rysiek|pl | pipeline: I thought doble negation works as expected, we have them double negations in Polish that are counter-intuitive, but meh... ;) |
| 18:48.04 | pipeline | ajavid: unless you're permitting the guest kernel to run in your host kernel's memory space, unvirtualized, there's substantial overhead, no matter how you slice it. |
| 18:48.07 | rysiek|pl | *double |
| 18:48.12 | pipeline | ajavid: no IOMMU, no deal. That's all there is to it. |
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| 18:48.17 | ajavid | pipeline, eh. |
| 18:48.18 | ajavid | stickler |
| 18:48.28 | pipeline | rysiek|pl: Double negation does not exist in english. |
| 18:48.46 | cantido | pipeline: so, writing blocks directly to device isn't quicker than writing to an FS in the VM and then writing those blocks down to another FS and then down to a real disk... Right |
| 18:48.50 | rysiek|pl | pipeline: it isn't non-existant, you know... |
| 18:48.59 | hikenboot | i am talking on 32 bit machine with no hvm svm capability |
| 18:49.01 | pipeline | cantido: It sure is faster. It just doesn't make a difference. |
| 18:49.04 | rysiek|pl | notes: point in case |
| 18:49.10 | ajavid | case in point |
| 18:49.10 | rozie | pipeline: ain't no sunshine ;) |
| 18:49.13 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:49.18 | rysiek|pl | when she's gone.. |
| 18:49.27 | ajavid | rysiek|pl, can i have a bit of what you're smoking? |
| 18:49.36 | pipeline | cantido: Running your filesystem directly on a block device is faster than using LVM, too. It's just such a piddling shit amount of overhead relative to how slow your I/O devices are that it doesn't matter at all. |
| 18:49.38 | ajavid | ;) |
| 18:49.42 | jda2000 | I think if someone with am iMac with "00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP (rev 5c)" would kindly share their xorg.conf file I'd be a happy guy. |
| 18:49.47 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: a lil' bit o'this, a lil' bit o'that |
| 18:49.50 | pipeline | cantido: oh no I added half of a microsecond of latency to a process that takes tens of thousands of microseconds to complete P |
| 18:49.52 | buntfalke | why cant i "kill -9" a dd which is writing to a horribly slow device? |
| 18:50.06 | jda2000 | s/am/an/ |
| 18:50.08 | pipeline | jda2000: rage pro is a terrible chipset |
| 18:50.09 | ajavid | 15 |
| 18:50.18 | pipeline | jda2000: you're probably limited to 1024x768. Use the "ati" driver. |
| 18:50.22 | buntfalke | I want to "just abort it, no matter what it's doing" |
| 18:50.32 | rysiek|pl | actually isn't smoking anything - he doesn't need to, he just spent 5 years studying philosophy |
| 18:50.34 | ajavid | try 15 |
| 18:50.38 | ajavid | signal 15 |
| 18:51.02 | pipeline | buntfalke: You can. |
| 18:51.06 | pipeline | buntfalke: you already did in fact |
| 18:51.08 | rysiek|pl | rozie: technically, that was syntactically incorrect, I believe, but whatever ;) |
| 18:51.09 | pipeline | buntfalke: but you can't interrupt a system call |
| 18:51.18 | pipeline | buntfalke: dd will die as soon as it completes its system call. |
| 18:51.26 | pipeline | buntfalke: of course it's possible that the system call will never complete :D |
| 18:51.48 | buntfalke | well...great. cause that "horribly slow" was kind of literal... |
| 18:51.59 | buntfalke | ...hours later...weeeeell, whatever. thanks. |
| 18:52.04 | pipeline | heh |
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| 18:52.12 | pipeline | surely dd is only writing or reading like 8k |
| 18:52.24 | hikenboot | those things listed on wiki pedia is for hvm svm cablable 64 bit systems ...yes...no? |
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| 18:52.44 | cantido | pipeline: mmm, I never said it would make much difference. I was suggesting using ext4 would not make it faster. ;) |
| 18:52.44 | jda2000 | pipeline, ok, That sounds right. Any idea why the xorg.config file is emply and what to do about it? |
| 18:52.53 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: looks like BlackCrystal has some neat stuff to smoke, go ask him ;) |
| 18:53.04 | pipeline | buntfalke: unless you set the block size to something large you should be fine |
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| 18:53.08 | jda2000 | s/emply/empty/ |
| 18:53.12 | pipeline | jda2000: xorg.conf doesn't reall yneed to be populated with anything. |
| 18:53.12 | cantido | hikenboot: what guests are you running? |
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| 18:53.29 | pipeline | jda2000: tried "X -configure" as root yet ? that will (shoauld) generate a sample configuration. |
| 18:53.29 | hikenboot | all linux guests...maybe some bsd i cant run windows no hvm svm |
| 18:53.40 | hikenboot | debian ubuntu redhat mainly |
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| 18:53.48 | ajavid | man the front door is really far way |
| 18:53.52 | ajavid | anyway.. lets ee |
| 18:53.54 | pipeline | Xen is a long, long, long way from finished. |
| 18:53.57 | jda2000 | pipeline, Ok, Ill try that. |
| 18:54.02 | cantido | hikenboot: you can run windows guests but it's going to be painful |
| 18:54.06 | buntfalke | pipeline: i kinda did use 102400 for - ahaem - more performance... |
| 18:54.06 | ajavid | pipeline, depends on which state its left in doesn't it |
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| 18:54.12 | pipeline | I refuse to use it in production anymore, after a customer system failed very spectacularly. |
| 18:54.15 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: *please* put the first letter before that "ee", it's mighty disturbing! |
| 18:54.20 | buntfalke | pipeline: useD, i mean |
| 18:54.21 | pipeline | buntfalke: have fun waiting then |
| 18:54.24 | cantido | hikenboot: with linux guests you might have more luck with containers instead of full virtual machines |
| 18:54.30 | hikenboot | windows guest paravirtualized? since when is that possible |
| 18:54.33 | ajavid | pipeline, if its put into task_inter or task_unint |
| 18:54.51 | buntfalke | well. since i really dont care, i simply interrupted the connection electically and the system call finished rather quickly ;-) |
| 18:54.54 | cantido | hikenboot: you can emulate a X86 machine on an X86 machine just fine, it's just not that fast |
| 18:55.00 | ajavid | pipeline, interruptible gets a signal, 9 or 15 or any other and it will put it into a running exucution state |
| 18:55.11 | pipeline | hikenboot: Give up, use VMware. Get reasonable performance with or without virtualisation extensions. |
| 18:55.11 | ajavid | pipeline, I'm pretty sure linux system calls ban be terminated |
| 18:55.12 | hikenboot | I know that worked in the lab...but microsoft wouldnt allow them to release the kernel patches |
| 18:55.14 | cantido | hikenboot: you can emulate an X86 machine on a Nintendo DS if you really want. |
| 18:55.22 | pipeline | ajavid: well, that's wonderful, but irrelevant to the man's problem P: |
| 18:55.33 | ajavid | I went to go answe rthe door! |
| 18:55.38 | ajavid | :( |
| 18:55.48 | ajavid | anyway, i thought you said you can't term a syscall |
| 18:56.03 | cantido | hikenboot: vmware ran windows guests on x86 boxes before Intel and AMD added the hardware extensions for virtualisation. |
| 18:56.22 | hikenboot | right but they were licensed and thats not paravirtualized |
| 18:56.52 | cantido | hikenboot: you can run windows in qemu.. |
| 18:56.58 | pipeline | hikenboot: they weren't licensed for anything |
| 18:57.07 | pipeline | hikenboot: VMware just had a pretty sophisticated emulation of real hardware |
| 18:57.12 | cantido | hikenboot: Xen needs patched oses or hardware support because of the way it works |
| 18:57.12 | ajavid | Xen+Qemu = VNC while you install, after install, enable RDP, use RDP |
| 18:57.18 | ajavid | its pretty freakin badass |
| 18:57.20 | rysiek|pl | hikenboot: VirtualBox-OSE works quite well for me, both with linux and with windows guests (and hosts) |
| 18:57.24 | hikenboot | thats true about qemu or kqmeu but thats full instruction emulation at least for qemu |
| 18:57.29 | ajavid | and imo, lot faster than virtualization of vmware or virtualbox |
| 18:57.34 | pipeline | hikenboot: it's not the case for vmware |
| 18:57.49 | ajavid | however, I'm not sure how it would be possible to tell Xen+qemu that it should use an NTFS block device and not a virtual FS |
| 18:57.49 | cantido | hikenboot: kqemu; no it isn'T |
| 18:57.55 | ajavid | that is one thing I'd liek to do with Xen |
| 18:58.01 | ajavid | for the windows doms |
| 18:58.25 | ajavid | you konw like vmware can use physical block devices for vms |
| 18:58.28 | cantido | hikenboot: it's just that the VM has to do alsorts of fiddling to make an OS run on top of an OS and that slows things down... |
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| 18:58.37 | hikenboot | I dont think with xen its a possibility issue but a licensing one |
| 18:58.46 | pipeline | it's not a licensing issue |
| 18:58.48 | ajavid | Xen is open source man |
| 18:58.51 | pipeline | the guest OS would be parsing the blocks |
| 18:58.52 | ajavid | there is no .. yeh. |
| 18:59.00 | MmikeDOMA | ajavid, i made some stupid tests, and it turned out that virtualbox (with hardware virtualization disabled) is as much as fast as xen/quemu. VmWare is slowest. Test was just some stupid sort routines implemented in C, C#, Java and Python |
| 18:59.00 | pipeline | exposing the block device doesn't really have anything to do with it |
| 18:59.17 | hikenboot | Ino to paravirtualize windows would require windows modifications which are not allowed by microsoft |
| 18:59.19 | ajavid | one test can't do anything |
| 18:59.30 | hikenboot | thats where the performance comes in |
| 18:59.38 | ajavid | you need to run a disk test, resource stress test, cpu sterss teston the vm fe others bencharls of disk access stuff |
| 18:59.52 | ajavid | I forget but I saw a very detailed comparision of various products |
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| 18:59.56 | cantido | MmikeDOMA: If you virtualisation software uses the hardware extensions the performance is basically the same |
| 19:00.01 | pipeline | now that we live in the age of virtualisation extensions, all of the products are roughly comparable in performance |
| 19:00.03 | MmikeDOMA | ajavid, I agree |
| 19:00.04 | ajavid | afaicr, the best one was "coLinux" |
| 19:00.13 | ajavid | !colinux |
| 19:00.13 | dpkg | Cooperative Linux (aka coLinux) is software for running Linux on Microsoft Windows. It is a port of the Linux kernel, allowing cooperative execution with another operating system on a single machine. http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ http://www.colinux.org/ #colinux on irc://irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:00.18 | pipeline | back when you had to do it the hard way, vmware ESX beat the pants off of everything else :P |
| 19:00.20 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, well, somewhere I read that one shoud disable vx support in virtualbox to gain better performance |
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| 19:01.00 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, so i tried, and it realy is faster that way.... i installed debian into virtualbox xen and vmware, using ubuntu as host |
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| 19:01.04 | cantido | MmikeDOMA: yes, but the performance of what? |
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| 19:02.03 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, well, as I've said, it quicksorted/shellsorted/radixsorted/mergesorted the same array quicker (in less time) when vx-support in virtualbox was turned off |
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| 19:02.30 | ajavid | those tests don't mean anything |
| 19:02.58 | cantido | MmikeDOMA: Look up how the CPU extensions work.. |
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| 19:03.27 | ajavid | this keyboard really really sucks |
| 19:03.31 | ajavid | fuck. |
| 19:03.42 | ajavid | stores are closed today. :( |
| 19:03.43 | cantido | MmikeDOMA: the only way any of the vm products can be different now is how they implement the virtual hardware... |
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| 19:04.02 | ajavid | the first one I ever used was Connectix Virtual PC on windows |
| 19:04.11 | ajavid | one of THE BEST of its time |
| 19:04.19 | ajavid | until it was bought by MS, then it turned into shit |
| 19:04.20 | ajavid | liquid shit. |
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| 19:04.53 | hikenboot | does anyone have a doc on getting windows to run on xen on 32 bit machines...I would like to see it |
| 19:04.54 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, well, I admint test was a bit stupid, but it did show that python interpreter runs faster when vx is turned off... i tried that on CoreDuo proc, and on Athlon64something procesor... it was like a year ago, maybe I should redo them... |
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| 19:05.02 | ajavid | hikenboot, sec |
| 19:05.45 | ajavid | http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-08/msg00552.html |
| 19:05.50 | ajavid | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-install-windows-xp-vista-on-xen/ |
| 19:06.05 | ajavid | http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=79 |
| 19:06.08 | cantido | MmikeDOMA: Emulated IO might be slower in one product, or the emulated graphics, stuff like that.. but the code runs on the hardware like it would if it was the main os. |
| 19:06.28 | ajavid | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/xen-howto-install-windows/ |
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| 19:06.50 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, so, you're saying that my tests were realy poor because of the difference I got on the results? |
| 19:07.08 | ajavid | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu |
| 19:07.23 | ajavid | http://www.nabble.com/Windows-XP-inside-Debian-GNU-Linux-td18982838.html |
| 19:07.45 | ajavid | and tons of more articles shedding light on th subject |
| 19:07.47 | hikenboot | ajavid, that is with hvm which requires ring -1 in the chips...ie only (majority of 64 bit systems) |
| 19:07.51 | ajavid | (not step by step moron tutorials) |
| 19:08.03 | ajavid | hikenboot, use google. |
| 19:08.13 | ajavid | I dunon wtf I was thinking gogoleing FOR you |
| 19:08.18 | ajavid | I'm a fucking moron. |
| 19:08.26 | hikenboot | oh never mind |
| 19:08.43 | ajavid | !stoned |
| 19:08.43 | dpkg | sits in a corner rocking singing "jingle bells, jingle bells" quietly to himself with an evil grin on his face... as he touches himself ever so slightly... http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 19:08.46 | ajavid | :( |
| 19:09.00 | ajavid | oh man, I should remove that link, i haven't had that server in years |
| 19:09.02 | cantido | hikenboot: you can emulate that. Xen doesn't do it, others do |
| 19:09.17 | hikenboot | thanks thats what i thought |
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| 19:10.29 | cantido | MmikeDOMA: Basically, you can't benchmark a vm product so simply.. you could benchmark the IO, do some CPU bound stuff etc. But I don't think you can say X is "faster" than Y |
| 19:12.00 | cantido | hikenboot: have you looked at openvz or linux-vservers? |
| 19:12.17 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, what are you saying? I should run povray test renders, sort algorythms are just bad? As i've said, the test is a bit stupid (it took no more than 3-4 minutes to complete), but it was repeated dozen of times, and there was a difference... Since I'd like to repeat/redo the tests, do you have some suggestions? |
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| 19:12.57 | cantido | Do SPEC benchmarks, see if there's much of a difference |
| 19:13.47 | rysiek|pl | humm... off-topic a bit: does anybody know if there are Intel Xeons that do NOT support VT-x? |
| 19:13.54 | MmikeDOMA | cantido, SPEC? Don't you have to pay for those? |
| 19:14.09 | cantido | rysiek|pl: I have a 3ghz box that doesn't.. I think |
| 19:14.28 | MmikeDOMA | It's 200 dollars for non-profit use!!! |
| 19:14.29 | rysiek|pl | cantido: see, the thing is, it's usually disabled in BIOS |
| 19:15.02 | hikenboot | i thought of using them but figured perhaps wrongly that these would alter the feel and working of the vm...for someone who is trying to learn every aspect of linux networking..(as apposed to windows which is my strong suite) |
| 19:15.06 | MmikeDOMA | I realy don't see why, for instance, running povray for half an hour, several times, is a bad test. |
| 19:15.08 | rysiek|pl | cantido: so the good ole egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo won't show you anything |
| 19:15.15 | cantido | rysiek|pl: mmm I'm pretty sure I haven't seen it, there is a list on wikipedia I think though |
| 19:15.49 | rysiek|pl | cantido: yeah, there is. it's very indecisive as VT-x in Xeons goes |
| 19:16.21 | cantido | rysiek|pl: This machine is an ibm xserver 336 I think. It has EMT64 but no VT-x |
| 19:16.39 | rysiek|pl | cantido: ok, thanks |
| 19:16.54 | twoface | in unstable, my keymap is now always english, not matter what i do. anyone has a solution for that_ |
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| 19:18.59 | ovnicraft | hi folks, i have an issue with joomla, app works but css styles are not showed, i follow wiki |
| 19:19.23 | ajavid | uhm |
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| 19:19.28 | rysiek|pl | ovnicraft: #joomla? |
| 19:19.31 | ajavid | judd versions joomla |
| 19:19.31 | hikenboot | cantido isnt the primary difference betwen emt64 and vt-x have manly to do with memory mapping which is extended even further with itanium chips? |
| 19:19.32 | judd | ajavid: joomla -- |
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| 19:19.48 | cantido | hikenboot: itanium is a totally different machine |
| 19:20.10 | ajavid | ovnicraft, I am a joomla developer. Join #joomla please. Ask your questions there. |
| 19:20.16 | ovnicraft | ajavid, |
| 19:20.20 | ovnicraft | ajavid, ok |
| 19:20.22 | ajavid | ovnicraft, unless you need to manage your LAMP stack which is installed on debian. |
| 19:20.23 | hikenboot | oh ok I guess I will have to spend some time researching that stuff then |
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| 19:22.10 | cantido | hikenboot: vt-x basically let's vm's run privileged code without lot's of emulation around |
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| 19:23.12 | cantido | hikenboot: emt64 is just doubling the size of the registers again. 4th time that's happened so far. :) |
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| 19:23.54 | zimnyx | Anybody from Barcelona ? |
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| 19:25.24 | starter | where can I see the reboot messages? |
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| 19:27.36 | jda2000 | pipeline, Thanks a million! "X -configure" did indeed create an xorg.conf file to which I was able to add HorizSync and VertRefresh lines. Gnome is now running (and visible). |
| 19:28.16 | pipeline | zimnyx: there is definitely a #debian-es in spanish. There may or may not be a catalan channel on this network. |
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| 19:29.18 | hikenboot | cantido...thanks thats great info |
| 19:29.32 | zimnyx | pipeline: thatnks, I've connected to spanish IRC network and joined #barcelona :) |
| 19:29.35 | syborg | night want to ban |santiliana| its a porn spam bot |
| 19:29.38 | jda2000 | pipeline, I had to do a "telinit 1" first though... |
| 19:29.41 | syborg | <|santiliana|> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:30.16 | nkuttler | !ops |santiliana| spam |
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| 19:30.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nkuttler complains about: |santiliana| spam |
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| 19:30.36 | zimnyx | pipeline: but I find very hard to irc with non-programmers |
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| 19:31.14 | starter | my system doesn't reboot |
| 19:31.26 | syborg | does anyone know how to delete an existing lvm part in the deb installer |
| 19:31.48 | syborg | im trying to delete all the partitions on the old sys but it wont let me delete an lvm, keeps saying vol group is in use |
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| 19:32.54 | cantido | syborg: I think you have to delete any volumes in that group before you can delete it |
| 19:33.04 | twoface | in unstable, my keymap is now always english, not matter what i do. anyone has a solution for that_ |
| 19:33.08 | Polarina | syborg: Stop giving people a reason to ban you! |
| 19:33.10 | syborg | it wouldnt let me do that either, maybe a bug in the installer? |
| 19:33.20 | syborg | Polarina do i know you? |
| 19:33.28 | Polarina | syborg: You do now. |
| 19:33.33 | syborg | hmm |
| 19:33.57 | syborg | and why would people ban me? |
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| 19:34.14 | valdyn | syborg: vgchagne -an, only after that you can remove a vg |
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| 19:34.27 | azeem | syborg: repeating the spam urls in channel is not necessary |
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| 19:34.34 | azeem | next time, use the !ops command as nkuttler did |
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| 19:34.54 | azeem | nobody will ban you for reporting spam bots though |
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| 19:36.05 | syborg | so theres no way to delete an lvm from the graphical instlaler? |
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| 19:36.41 | syborg | i just hate to have to use a seperate disk jsut to delete the partitions before installing a new sys |
| 19:36.52 | wolldingwacht | logout |
| 19:37.15 | cantido | syborg: you can, but I don't think it'll let you delete the vol group if there are still volumes in the group |
| 19:37.19 | wolldingwacht | logout |
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| 19:37.41 | cantido | Third time lucky |
| 19:37.48 | GoldElite | Does anyone know why my usb printer might have stopped working after upgrading to SID? Debian seems to recognise the status updates and I get no error messages...just no printed documents, either...=\ |
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| 19:38.34 | syborg | well i tried every menu option multiple times to delete the logical volumes in the group and they didnt seem to budge |
| 19:38.37 | ajavid | !dnuts |
| 19:38.38 | dpkg | [dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 19:38.43 | ajavid | !sid upgrade |
| 19:38.44 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 19:39.08 | syborg | ill just do it the quick way and zero the part table, ill experiment with this again in a VM to see if i can figure out what the deal is |
| 19:39.29 | wolldingwacht | logout |
| 19:39.34 | wolldingwacht | LOGOUT |
| 19:39.37 | wolldingwacht | QUIT |
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| 19:39.51 | starter | anyone know how can I force a reboot? |
| 19:39.58 | starter | it doesn't respond to reboot |
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| 19:40.34 | ajavid | starter, telinit 0 |
| 19:41.04 | ajavid | i mean |
| 19:41.11 | foo-nix | I have a hda-intell sound card which refuses to work (or show up in alsamixer). I have also tried cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp which just did not produce any sound. What can I check more? |
| 19:41.11 | ajavid | telinit 0 or 6 |
| 19:41.30 | starter | ajavid, doesn't see to do anything |
| 19:41.36 | starter | seem |
| 19:41.41 | ajavid | type as root, telinit 6 |
| 19:42.02 | starter | nothing |
| 19:42.11 | ajavid | hm |
| 19:42.19 | ajavid | why is it not responding to reboot |
| 19:42.38 | starter | http://pastebin.com/md06ae2b |
| 19:42.44 | ajavid | starter, alt+printscreen+b |
| 19:42.46 | ajavid | :/ |
| 19:42.53 | ajavid | don't do that! |
| 19:42.56 | ajavid | let me see |
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| 19:43.21 | nkuttler | starter: # |
| 19:43.25 | nkuttler | [249187.320327] kernel BUG at fs/ocfs2/dlm/dlmmaster.c:2710! |
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| 19:43.43 | nkuttler | starter: is that a debian kernel? |
| 19:44.06 | starter | nkuttler, yes, 2.6.26-2 |
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| 19:45.08 | jda2000 | Wow! Debian has made my old iMac a much hppier place! |
| 19:45.23 | nkuttler | starter: i guess you should try the latest stable kernel.org kernel and report a bug if it fails too |
| 19:45.26 | jda2000 | s/hppier/happier/ |
| 19:45.51 | SQlvpapir | http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/tomboy-mono-2 |
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| 19:46.03 | starter | nkuttler, if I could ever restart the beast |
| 19:46.58 | adb | remote pc ? |
| 19:47.18 | starter | currently I tried to umount ocfs2 fs , and got that bug, and I cant shutdown drbd because it say the someone still holding it open, which means my ocfs2 is still active |
| 19:47.24 | starter | adb, yes |
| 19:47.34 | nkuttler | ouch |
| 19:48.12 | nkuttler | starter: umount -l ? |
| 19:48.24 | starter | adb, but even if I was there... should I have reset it? |
| 19:48.44 | adb | sure |
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| 19:49.03 | starter | nkuttler, it doesn't know that -l |
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| 19:49.45 | nkuttler | starter: are you using something pre-sarge? |
| 19:50.15 | starter | nkuttler, not that I know of. I had etch and upgraded to lenny |
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| 19:51.30 | nkuttler | starter: dpkg -l mount | tail -1 |
| 19:52.00 | enouf | which mount ; whereis mount ; ls -l those |
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| 19:52.07 | starter | nkuttler, no output |
| 19:52.18 | nkuttler | that doesn't sound like a debian system |
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| 19:52.47 | starter | nkuttler, it is |
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| 19:53.10 | adb | haste has ..2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 19:53.17 | adb | *paste |
| 19:53.28 | starter | /bin/mount |
| 19:53.29 | enouf | nkuttler: know what i did once inadvertantly? unpacked my initrd into ~/bin, and yes, i had uncommented ~/.bash_profile entry for it much earlier :-P |
| 19:53.29 | starter | mount: /bin/mount /sbin/mount.nfs4 /sbin/mount.ocfs2 /sbin/mount.nfs /usr/share/man/man2/mount.2.gz /usr/share/man/man8/mount.8.gz |
| 19:53.54 | jdavis | I am trying to install the "nvidia" commercial driver, but it conflicts with "nvidiafb". How do I remove "nvidiafb", it says that it's being used? |
| 19:54.14 | jdavis | Even if X is not running |
| 19:54.15 | enouf | jdavis: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 19:54.26 | enouf | jdavis: it's not meant for X |
| 19:54.45 | jdavis | enouf: cat /proc/cmdline: root=UUID=f2e4ce2d-40d0-4e86-8b9f-7290d44609cc ro |
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| 19:56.06 | enouf | jdavis: lspci -nnk to a pastebin - also dmesg | grep fb |
| 19:56.45 | gparent | !ubuntu |
| 19:56.45 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:57.28 | jdavis | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d38459299 |
| 19:58.16 | jdavis | enouf: dmesg | grep fb: http://pastebin.com/d2b54bdac |
| 19:59.37 | enouf | depends: vgastate,i2c-core,i2c-algo-bit,fb_ddc <-- modinfo nvidiafb (try removing those, then nvidiafb can be removed) -- but you might have to blacklist it .. |
| 19:59.38 | adb | dpkg: tell jdavis blacklist |
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| 20:00.07 | adb | jdavis: locate nvidiafb |
| 20:00.11 | adb | as root |
| 20:00.12 | starter | isn't there some command that is just as bad as clicking the reset button? |
| 20:00.22 | starter | I can still do things with root, I can kill stuff |
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| 20:01.31 | adb | poweroff ? |
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| 20:01.46 | jdavis | adb: rebuilding the locate db might take a few minutes. |
| 20:02.00 | enouf | jdavis: grep nv /etc/modules (which debian version and which kernel? 'uname -r') |
| 20:02.14 | adb | jdavis: se wait ... |
| 20:02.24 | adb | so* |
| 20:02.25 | jdavis | enouf: 2.6.29-2-amd64 |
| 20:02.44 | adb | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko |
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| 20:03.00 | jdavis | enouf: /etc/modules doesn't have anything matching nv |
| 20:03.12 | adb | /lib/modules/2.6.29-bpo.2-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko |
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| 20:03.46 | adb | jdavis: ^^ |
| 20:03.48 | enouf | jdavis: rgrep nv /etc/mod* <--pastebin |
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| 20:04.02 | jdavis | enouf: debian version is basically "testing". I usually upgrade gradually. |
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| 20:04.39 | jdavis | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m46f32bc2 |
| 20:04.59 | starter | I guess I'll have to drive down the office :( |
| 20:05.33 | adb | starter: poweroff not worked ? |
| 20:06.02 | starter | adb, if I do poweroff, it will not come up |
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| 20:06.38 | adb | starter: shutdown -r now ? |
| 20:06.39 | enouf | jdavis: grep nvidiafb /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep (note; it should match the 'modinfo nv... ..' output from above) an modules need to be unloaded (modprobe -r) from last to first (right to left as listed) |
| 20:07.39 | jdavis | enouf: kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko: kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko |
| 20:07.41 | adb | starter: shutdown -nr now ? , better even |
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| 20:08.37 | jdavis | enouf: strange thing is that if I try to remove vgastate, it says it's in use by nvidiafb, but if I try to remove nvidiafb, it just says "in use" but not what's using it |
| 20:08.49 | enouf | jdavis: mv /etc/modules.conf to somewhere else - preferably not just /etc/modules.conf.old (which you already have) |
| 20:09.18 | enouf | jdavis: note the order -> kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko: kernel/drivers/video/fb_ddc.ko kernel/drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.ko kernel/drivers/video/vgastate.ko kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-core.ko |
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| 20:09.32 | enouf | jdavis: BUT, i;m on -686 |
| 20:09.51 | enouf | you need to modprobe -r i2c-core first |
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| 20:12.05 | jdavis | enouf: moving the modules.conf didn't seem to do anything, and neither did modprobe -r i2c-core |
| 20:12.29 | enouf | jdavis: Debian doesn't use a /etc/modules.conf (atleast not since 2.6 kernels) we use /etc/modprobe.d/* Now, mv the file i mentioned, reboot and see if nvidiafb is still loading, if so, /msg dpkg blacklist ; /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 20:13.38 | jdavis | enouf: by "file you mentioned" to do you mean modules.conf? |
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| 20:15.53 | enouf | jdavis: hrm .. perhaps the folks on the debian-amd64 mailing list would know why it's even loading - some usplash{y} thing? Usually, the console FB is loaded from the kernel cmdline, unless built it -- what's grep CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA /boot/config-`uname -r` say? |
| 20:16.17 | enouf | jdavis: yes |
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| 20:17.17 | jdavis | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d4c83fa74 |
| 20:18.11 | enouf | jdavis: is that a stock Debian kernel linux-image-VERSION.deb ? |
| 20:18.46 | jdavis | enouf: yeah, I just aptitude installed it |
| 20:19.23 | enouf | jdavis: my uname -r == 2.6.29-2-686 -- and i have this; CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA_I2C=y |
| 20:20.07 | jdavis | enouf: hmm, interesting |
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| 20:20.21 | adb | jdavis: uname -r |
| 20:20.38 | jdavis | adb: |
| 20:20.45 | jdavis | adb: 2.6.29-2-amd64 |
| 20:20.48 | adb | same on 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 |
| 20:21.02 | adb | as enouf |
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| 20:21.12 | enouf | jdavis: what is your Console resolution roughly? Mine is 1024x768, but i'm using vesafb.ko --> note; my /proc/cmdline root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force |
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| 20:22.19 | jdavis | enouf: I think it's 1280x1024, but maybe it's not. Better than 800x600 |
| 20:22.49 | enouf | jdavis: the other thing you can toy with if you're comfortable with is /Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt (as well as kernel-parameters.txt) |
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| 20:23.35 | enouf | jdavis: but i'd try blacklisting 1st (since nvidiafb is a module on yours as well) |
| 20:24.03 | enouf | jdavis: it should be like 80x20 or something without any FB |
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| 20:24.36 | zaltekk | nvidiafb? as in a hardware accelerated framebuffer? |
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| 20:25.08 | enouf | jdavis: so, it's definitely serving a purpose, but vga=791 should achieve what i said on yours too, and nvidiafb shouldn't load |
| 20:25.23 | enouf | zaltekk: as in kernel module |
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| 20:25.55 | enouf | zaltekk: in-tree kernel module |
| 20:26.03 | jdavis | enouf: vga=791 is a kernel option? |
| 20:26.15 | enouf | jdavis: yes, it's a boot option |
| 20:26.25 | zaltekk | not a solution to me wanting to use a 1920x1200 console without it having speed issues? |
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| 20:27.04 | enouf | jdavis: there are tons - and even just hundreds for various FBs, and even many for just vga= :-) |
| 20:27.27 | enouf | jdavis: vga=NNN is using {u}vesafb.ko |
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| 20:27.46 | jdavis | enouf: ok, cool. I'll try blacklisting now and reboot. |
| 20:28.35 | enouf | i think jdavis cares more about 3D acceleration in X |
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| 20:32.28 | marcel` | what is the name of the packge that installes a harware monitor on your desktop? |
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| 20:33.10 | zleap | gkrellm perhaps |
| 20:33.11 | zleap | not sure |
| 20:33.23 | marcel` | ill google gkrellm ty |
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| 20:34.05 | adb | marcel`: apt-cache show gkrellm |
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| 20:34.24 | ajavid | hi |
| 20:34.43 | sladi | marcel kde has widgets for that too |
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| 20:35.05 | marcel` | sladi: im looking for a small one im running fluxbox but thanks |
| 20:35.08 | sladi | I mean KDE4 |
| 20:35.30 | craigevil | marcel`: conky |
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| 20:36.49 | sladi | marcel, I see, there are Windowmanager applets too. wmcpuinfo for example. :) |
| 20:37.20 | marcel` | sladi: ok ty |
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| 20:38.43 | sladi | np |
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| 20:44.57 | jdavis | enouf: you were exactly right: I had to set vga=791 and it worked. Blacklisting alone didn't do it. |
| 20:45.22 | jdavis | enouf: and, on a hunch, I installed the newer kernel package, 2.6.30, and now it works without modification. Thanks! |
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| 20:46.49 | marcel` | jdavis: what debian version? |
| 20:47.00 | jdavis | marcel`: I'm on testing. |
| 20:47.12 | marcel` | jdavis: k, ty |
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| 20:52.10 | enouf | jdavis: welcome |
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| 20:52.22 | ustunozgur | what is the difference bt. using localhost:631 and foomatic-gui for configuring printers? my kde programs are not allowing printing at the moment, the applications just hang; and I have tried adding/removing printers via both ways, localhost:631 seems to work better, but I still cannot get a solution. system-config-printer-kde just segffaults btw |
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| 20:54.17 | rgr | ustunozgur: confusing isn't it? |
| 20:54.42 | ustunozgur | yes, too many apps, gnome apps print fine btw |
| 20:54.46 | enouf | ustunozgur: all i know is i've been fighting with CUPS, lp/lpr, gutenprint, foomatic, hplip, ijs, etc etc for hours on end |
| 20:54.49 | ustunozgur | adobe reader shows the printer name, but then says printer not found |
| 20:55.01 | rgr | too many apps, too many approaches, no real design to any of it. A right mess IMO. FWIW, I ONLY use CUPS now. |
| 20:55.32 | ustunozgur | it is ironic given gnu started out of a printer frustration |
| 20:55.36 | rgr | I tend to do most printing from emacs so I have a bash export for the system printer name too. |
| 20:55.45 | enouf | ustunozgur: and i flushed all kde down the toilet awhile back, but still had much 'kde stuff' installed - just purged it recently |
| 20:56.07 | enouf | ustunozgur: *point*! |
| 20:56.32 | SQlvpapir | sticking with hp does it for me this far |
| 20:56.38 | enouf | ustunozgur: heh, i was trying to print a PDF from within acroread - heh |
| 20:57.06 | enouf | to a locally connecteded printer |
| 20:57.15 | enouf | er. USB even |
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| 20:57.41 | ustunozgur | mine is a gestetner, a network printer, |
| 20:57.44 | ustunozgur | I sometimes make it work |
| 20:57.47 | ustunozgur | then it breaks again |
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| 20:57.51 | rgr | enouf: I know that feeling re KDE. KDE is super heavy too. Too many "kewl features" and not enough quality IMO. I prefer Gnome for that reason. |
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| 20:58.06 | ustunozgur | sometimes it prints, but then there are black boxes in random places |
| 20:58.16 | starter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.29 | starter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.30 | rgr | ustunozgur: which is ironic keeping in mind its touted as a server OS and print server :-; |
| 20:58.36 | enouf | rgr: i don't like DEs in general - no harm, no foul - to each their own |
| 20:58.37 | starter | is .30 ok? |
| 20:58.55 | rgr | enouf: I use a hyrbod of gnome and xmonad. |
| 20:59.00 | rgr | hybrid. |
| 20:59.20 | ustunozgur | sometimes I think of getting a windows machine for my printing stuff. :) |
| 20:59.21 | enouf | ustunozgur: i've gotten Test pages to print, and even the HP test page .. that |
| 20:59.24 | enouf | s about it |
| 20:59.53 | ustunozgur | yes, test pages usually print fine : |
| 20:59.54 | ustunozgur | :) |
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| 21:00.53 | enouf | Now in Edit | Preferences in acroread (latest dmm one) .. all i get is There's already a session open., please close that out prior ... blahblahblah ..." |
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| 21:01.01 | enouf | So i tried xpdf, no go |
| 21:01.09 | ustunozgur | try evince |
| 21:01.11 | ustunozgur | it works for me |
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| 21:02.18 | enouf | to much bloat .. i don't like to use proprietary acroread, but all others (and i haven't tried evince yet) were all soooooo s-l-o-w - can't even read them, let alone print them |
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| 21:02.32 | enouf | s/to/too |
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| 21:03.01 | ustunozgur | acroread looks much nicer, as well. also, it has fit visible, which is great too. |
| 21:03.42 | kbs | folks -- is there a web-proxy available as a debian package, that saves sites i visit, in such a manner that I can re-visit them offline? |
| 21:04.01 | ustunozgur | enouf, do you know how to zoom in in acroread via keyboard? |
| 21:04.30 | SQlvpapir | ustunozgur: usually ctrl + plus |
| 21:05.05 | enouf | ustunozgur: using CUPS? tried dpkg-reconfigure cups? (remember to then restart it), also you have any cupsys-* installed? how about cups-bsd, how about lpr? |
| 21:05.06 | ustunozgur | SQlvpapir, yeah, but in acroread it doesn't work. ctrl - - works however, |
| 21:05.20 | SQlvpapir | weird |
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| 21:05.26 | enouf | ustunozgur: ctrl + wheel IIRC |
| 21:05.37 | ustunozgur | yeah, wheel works. |
| 21:05.49 | enouf | same as for IW/FF |
| 21:06.21 | enouf | oh, via Keyboard .. |
| 21:06.21 | g00se | xpdf prints reasonably well for me with cups. Last known print was various scores of Bach organ works |
| 21:06.34 | enouf | my keyboard is half-broken anyway |
| 21:06.37 | flami | Hello, I tried to get my xserver to use a my german layout, but dpkg/reconfigure doesnt write anything . It doesnt even create a xorg.conf |
| 21:06.50 | enouf | !dmm |
| 21:06.50 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 21:06.55 | enouf | bah |
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| 21:07.00 | enouf | !drxz |
| 21:07.03 | enouf | !drxx |
| 21:07.03 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
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| 21:07.38 | enouf | man xorg.conf and man <your-video-drivername> |
| 21:07.39 | ustunozgur | pressing down button doesn't work as expected too for acroread, but still it is better than others for viewing, for me. |
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| 21:08.15 | flami | soOOO dpkg-reconfgure is supposed to write nothing ? |
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| 21:08.27 | enouf | correct - since Lenny |
| 21:08.43 | enouf | flami: /msg dpkg hal ; see Last URL there |
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| 21:10.23 | flami | so to give anyone the same keyboard |
| 21:10.26 | flami | woops |
| 21:10.29 | flami | sorry |
| 21:10.51 | enouf | flami: "setxbkmap de" ? |
| 21:11.13 | flami | okay |
| 21:11.30 | flami | and to enable EXA ? |
| 21:11.51 | enouf | flami: enouf> man xorg.conf and man <your-video-drivername> |
| 21:12.00 | sladi | ustunozgur, Okular is good for me. It doesn't crash on a book from Google for example and the gui is good. |
| 21:12.03 | flami | ok thats still in xorg.conf >P |
| 21:12.10 | enouf | and see wiki.x.org |
| 21:12.19 | hugo_ | when i need cutting-edge apps whereas also want to stay lenny's stability, am i supposed to build apps myself and install them to /usr/local, or rather than that, build my own deb pkgs and use them? |
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| 21:12.30 | flami | zes I know how , I was just wondering if they moved it outa xorg.conf too |
| 21:12.48 | enouf | hugo_: yep - if possible - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:12.53 | azeem | hugo_: 1. check backports.org; 2. try to backport the package yourself 3. /usr/local |
| 21:13.13 | enouf | hugo_: erm .. as azeem just mentioned |
| 21:13.32 | enouf | hugo_: and i meant "yes" to your " build my own deb pkgs and use them?" |
| 21:13.38 | ustunozgur | sladi, yes, okular is nice too, but my kde apps crash at the moment, when I click Print. |
| 21:14.12 | flami | allright. but setxbkmap seems to be applying only to me . To make "de" the default, is the still xorg.conf ? |
| 21:14.14 | enouf | ustunozgur: kde4? (just curious) |
| 21:14.17 | ustunozgur | yes |
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| 21:14.41 | ustunozgur | i'm using unstable repos |
| 21:14.42 | enouf | ustunozgur: is there anything for you to toy with in systemsettings? |
| 21:14.58 | enouf | flami: yes, i'd say so |
| 21:15.01 | sladi | I read printing settings is not finished in KDE4. |
| 21:15.17 | tudon | kde4 is finished? :P |
| 21:15.21 | hugo_ | enouf, azeem: what's the diff between going testing/unstable and backports? |
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| 21:15.35 | enouf | flami: google " Option "XkbLayout" "de" or something |
| 21:15.37 | azeem | hugo_: you're not going testing |
| 21:15.48 | ustunozgur | yes, there is no printing related stuff on system settings at the moment |
| 21:15.54 | azeem | you just take specific packages from backports, while staying on stable |
| 21:15.58 | enouf | hugo_: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:16.10 | flami | well i prefered the old ways ^^ when I only had to run dpkg-reconfigure to get the default right. |
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| 21:16.56 | adb | flami: add Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" to Device section of xorg.conf |
| 21:17.06 | flami | yep I know . |
| 21:17.23 | flami | well it seems that X -configure needs to Xserver to be off |
| 21:17.28 | flami | thanks and bye |
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| 21:17.43 | plt | what's the easiest way to create a proxy in debian ? using iptables or squid or some othe rway ? |
| 21:18.03 | hugo_ | dpkg ssb talks mentions apt-get... |
| 21:18.03 | dpkg | wish i knew, hugo_ |
| 21:18.24 | hugo_ | rather than aptitude |
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| 21:18.36 | azeem | hugo_: you can usually replace the two |
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| 21:19.23 | hugo_ | azeem: sure but wouldn't it be nice to replace the apt-get parts in dpkg's advice? |
| 21:19.47 | rudi_s | plt: What kind of proxy do you want? As http proxy squid works fine. |
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| 21:21.24 | hugo_ | when to go testing, whereas we have backports.org already? |
| 21:22.13 | azeem | hugo_: hrm? |
| 21:22.28 | azeem | not every package is in backports.org |
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| 21:23.26 | hugo_ | should be some reasons to go to non-stable distro |
| 21:23.53 | adb | no |
| 21:24.20 | craigevil | the packages that are in backports can sometimes be newer than what testing has the 2.6.30 kernel for one |
| 21:24.47 | azeem | usually backports.org's policy is to only backport stuff which has reached testing |
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| 21:26.57 | neyz | hello in here, is anyone user powerdns and managing to resolve external cnames ? |
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| 21:28.41 | plt | are iptables commands retained across reboots ? |
| 21:28.42 | hugo_ | hmm backports seem not os cutting-edge |
| 21:29.09 | enouf | azeem: i would up that to 'almost always' even, (according discussions i've witnessed in d-kernel and d-boot even) |
| 21:29.20 | raz0 | plt, no |
| 21:29.46 | barmagnet | what is the syntax to use the output of two ls programs in diff. something like diff (ls /usr/bin) (ls /usr/local/bin) ? |
| 21:30.02 | enouf | IOW, the prerequisite is, IINM, it if has no chance of making it into testing, it will never be backported |
| 21:30.11 | barmagnet | it used some advanced shell syntax which I can't remember. probably, named pipe or something. |
| 21:30.16 | plt | raz0 : - is there a way to see the iptables table for a sepcific interface ? |
| 21:30.20 | enouf | s/it if/is it/ |
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| 21:30.30 | barmagnet | the pipe took the place of file name in the above diff command. anyone remembers? |
| 21:30.33 | enouf | er /is if/ |
| 21:30.55 | Tramp | barmagnet: ls <(ls /foo) <(ls /bar) - with bash |
| 21:30.57 | enouf | notices how the Sun knocked me out a bit today |
| 21:31.09 | Tramp | barmagnet: first "ls" should be "diff" |
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| 21:32.22 | hark | enouf: if it ;) |
| 21:32.22 | hugo_ | for example, mysql is still 5.0 even in unstable |
| 21:32.43 | hugo_ | too old to use mysql 5.0 now |
| 21:33.12 | enouf | hark: haha .,... bingo :-) |
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| 21:35.41 | starter | hello |
| 21:36.18 | hugo_ | azeem: people're just building themselves to get more recent softwares? |
| 21:36.53 | azeem | hugo_: most people are reasonable enough to not require the latest stuff |
| 21:36.58 | starter | My boot hang with a 'press ctrl-D' because the file system check on a labeled disk, can't find that disk, but I mount it in fstab using the same label and it has that label. It is on lvm btw, but other VGs have their labels checked no problemo |
| 21:37.03 | barmagnet | diff -u <(echo "hi") <(echo "bye") |
| 21:37.05 | barmagnet | foo.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 21:37.05 | barmagnet | foo.sh: line 1: `diff -u <(echo "hi") <(echo "bye")' |
| 21:37.10 | starter | what could it be? |
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| 21:37.19 | barmagnet | the above runs properly on the shell but not in a script called foo.sh. why? |
| 21:37.32 | hugo_ | azeem: mysql's case, 5.1 is much more stable than 5.0 |
| 21:37.48 | azeem | hugo_: I don't know about mysql |
| 21:37.50 | zinx | barmagnet: because that's a bash extension, and bash disables some bash extensions when you run it as /bin/sh |
| 21:37.52 | starter | (and how do I avoid that anoying ctrl-Ds that force me to get physically at the computer |
| 21:37.54 | azeem | apparently the maintainer disagrees |
| 21:38.18 | zinx | hugo_: odd, unstable has 5.1 here |
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| 21:38.44 | streuner | smells a light smelling troll |
| 21:40.06 | hugo_ | zinx: that's only in experimental |
| 21:40.35 | streuner | well, so just use it in order to make a backport |
| 21:40.57 | streuner | !+tell hugo_ -about backports |
| 21:40.57 | dpkg | told hugo_ about backports. |
| 21:40.58 | zinx | !info mysql-server-5.1 unstable |
| 21:41.51 | zinx | interesting, didn't think i had experimental in my sources :/ |
| 21:42.02 | streuner | slap yourself :-) |
| 21:42.42 | zinx | streuner: hey, i can handle breakages if i pull something in accidentally :P (it's pinned so that that doesn't generally happen) |
| 21:43.47 | hugo_ | streuner: ah it must be abi compat |
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| 21:43.51 | craigevil | experimental packages do not install unless you tell them to like using backports |
| 21:43.59 | streuner | hm, dont know about his own sources, but is able to handle breakages, thats fine :-P |
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| 21:45.21 | hugo_ | so when i need more recent software than backports, only way to get it is to build myself and put them to /usr/local, right? |
| 21:45.41 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/1485017 < does anyone know if this is possible |
| 21:45.51 | streuner | Whats hard about to read <backports>? |
| 21:46.22 | azeem | hugo_: see point 2. in what I told you above |
| 21:46.43 | streuner | hugo_: you should use debs, there is a reason why we use it ... |
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| 21:47.34 | hugo_ | azeem try to port the pkg myself? |
| 21:47.45 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:48.43 | hugo_ | it should break the distro then |
| 21:48.45 | streuner | but keep in mind, some packages arent that easy |
| 21:48.55 | streuner | to backport |
| 21:49.36 | hugo_ | streuner: can i make a pkg that is installed to /usr/local? |
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| 21:50.03 | streuner | Does it have a name? |
| 21:50.06 | azeem | hugo_: yes, but that doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 21:50.10 | streuner | the app itself |
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| 21:50.33 | hugo_ | streuner, azeem: i guess the difficulty comes from compatibility issue. putting all to /usr/local avoid that i guess. |
| 21:51.57 | hugo_ | azeem: why doesn't it make sense? |
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| 21:52.36 | streuner | well, you usually use the sources to make a deb :-) |
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| 21:53.10 | hugo_ | streuner: yes i should be |
| 21:53.12 | azeem | hugo_: because by policy, .deb packages should not touch /usr/local |
| 21:54.31 | hugo_ | azeem: so only way remaining there would be build it myself and put it to /usr/local without backporting |
| 21:54.36 | streuner | Debian has a large number of packages, every package has sources, so just use that, less headaches... |
| 21:55.19 | azeem | hugo_: whatever your prefer and are able to do based on your skills |
| 21:55.33 | streuner | must guess, because hugo_ dont tell us what kind of app he want use... |
| 21:55.36 | hugo_ | azeem: the problem here is that the src is old :) |
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| 21:55.53 | hugo_ | streuner: mysql 5.1 for example |
| 21:55.56 | azeem | I think hugo_ is talking about mysql and is afraid of being mocked |
| 21:55.58 | azeem | there. |
| 21:56.25 | streuner | hm, and we told him how to backport that, but if its possible, thats another question... |
| 21:56.29 | azeem | hugo_: use postgres, 8.4 is in backports |
| 21:56.37 | azeem | released, uhm |
| 21:56.39 | azeem | three days ago |
| 21:56.41 | streuner | doubt thats kind of easy to backport mysql |
| 21:56.43 | Eulex | hugo_, you could just get the source package of 5.1 from experimental, and rebuild it |
| 21:56.59 | azeem | enouf: another exception |
| 21:57.28 | azeem | actually, probably there's 5.1 packages for lenny floating around unofficially |
| 21:58.17 | hugo_ | there should be a lot of guys who wants to use 5.1 in stable |
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| 21:59.17 | streuner | everybody is able to backport packages and upload it to bpo :-) |
| 21:59.26 | jony123 | Does anyone here have a link to an iso image that will boot and then has the option to then trasfer the boot process to the usb stick as the computer targeted doesnt have hdd-usb boot option. |
| 21:59.33 | streuner | well, if they work of course :-) |
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| 21:59.41 | hugo_ | streuner: hope it does not break existing system :) |
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| 22:01.29 | hikenboot | debian's testing installer is full of bugs..now im on my fourth... |
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| 22:02.00 | streuner | tell news |
| 22:02.07 | streuner | its testing... |
| 22:02.20 | azeem | hikenboot: the testing installer is like the unstable archive |
| 22:02.37 | hikenboot | azeem, why is that if i can ask? |
| 22:02.48 | azeem | hikenboot: because there's no unstable installer AFAIK |
| 22:03.00 | hikenboot | ah ok...thanks |
| 22:03.02 | azeem | so all the latest unstable code get uploaded as testing installer |
| 22:03.17 | azeem | nobody who wants a running system uses that before the release candidate |
| 22:04.16 | hikenboot | no wonder, I wonder if I would be able to use xen kernel 2.6.29 on stable ? |
| 22:04.38 | azeem | no idea |
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| 22:04.51 | streuner | there are some packages |
| 22:05.07 | streuner | IIRC |
| 22:05.17 | streuner | even for stable, but unofficial, built of Debian Kernel Team |
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| 22:05.31 | hikenboot | where are they if i can ask |
| 22:05.41 | SirDude0Lot | Good evening |
| 22:06.58 | SirDude0Lot | hey i need to extract a Bin file (should be possible since it was suggested on a forum) but i have no clue how to do that |
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| 22:07.19 | streuner | hikenboot: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ |
| 22:07.31 | hikenboot | thanks a lot streuner |
| 22:08.06 | streuner | good luck, as i said, IIRC... |
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| 22:10.39 | hikenboot | streuner, no such luck but thats a gem of a link thanks! |
| 22:12.10 | streuner | hm, only 26 what i saw, but there must be a reason... |
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| 22:12.45 | hikenboot | the one i have made for 2.6.29 steels from gentoo |
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| 22:17.46 | derdada1 | one question to pinning. I add sid and experimental to my sources.list and gave my testing a higher priority in preferences than sid and experimental. but when I run aptitude update he outputs me all the new packages from the other 2 repos although they have lower priority. is that normal? |
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| 22:18.52 | khaije|amalt | ya derdada1 if you dont want them to auto-pull you need to pin them to less than one |
| 22:19.54 | khaije|amalt | apt looks at a combination of the pinning and the version, to see it's calculation examine apt-cache policy for any given package/repo |
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| 22:21.34 | craigevil | derdada1: make sure apt.conf is APT::Default-Release "testing"; then something like Package: * Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 101 works just fine |
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| 22:24.19 | iluminator101 | How do you find out if someone is doing a tcpdump on you? |
| 22:24.54 | derdada1 | well I think I did it right. that's my preference |
| 22:24.55 | derdada1 | http://dpaste.de/CPxv/ |
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| 22:25.32 | BingO | Hi |
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| 22:26.04 | BingO | i have installed webmin at Etch .. but now i want to install apache module but it is not installing.. sayig not found etc.. |
| 22:26.05 | derdada1 | and that is my sources.list |
| 22:26.05 | derdada1 | http://dpaste.de/DXLL/ |
| 22:26.09 | craigevil | derdada1: what do you need exp and unstable sources for? |
| 22:26.33 | derdada1 | once for python2.6 (exp) and once for libneon27-gnutls(sid) |
| 22:26.37 | craigevil | derdada1: get rid of the non-us |
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| 22:27.15 | derdada1 | that is responsible for the problem |
| 22:27.16 | derdada1 | ? |
| 22:27.31 | craigevil | derdada1: it was deprecated back when Sarge was released |
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| 22:27.49 | azeem | BingO: /msg dpkg webmin |
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| 22:28.51 | derdada1 | all right removed that mirror but still have the problem. any other ideas? |
| 22:29.01 | BingO | azeem: thankz for reply... means /msg dpkg webmin wehre =? |
| 22:29.10 | azeem | BingO: in your irc client |
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| 22:30.24 | starter | linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64: |
| 22:30.24 | starter | <starter> Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable |
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| 22:30.46 | starter | anyone know what is up with the linux headers in backports? |
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| 22:31.34 | craigevil | derdada1: take a look at http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 22:32.13 | BingO | azeem: thankz... now another issue.. now i gave command $apt-get install apache2 at Etch |
| 22:32.45 | azeem | BingO: don't ask individuals, ask the channel |
| 22:32.48 | BingO | unable to fetch some archives.. |
| 22:32.48 | adb | starter: don't double post please |
| 22:33.11 | BingO | azeem: i am asking in channel.. |
| 22:34.12 | azeem | BingO: you addressed me; a lot of people might disregard your question because they think it is only addressed at me |
| 22:34.19 | azeem | BingO: anyway, pastebin the whole output |
| 22:34.20 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 22:34.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 22:36.26 | BingO | http://pastebin.com/m207db033 |
| 22:36.50 | ajavid | 05:36 Window : #1 |
| 22:36.50 | ajavid | 05:36 Name : hilight |
| 22:36.59 | ajavid | i did it before :D |
| 22:37.08 | ajavid | oh ops worng channel |
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| 22:37.17 | azeem | BingO: your mirror and/or sources.list is bad |
| 22:37.22 | azeem | or your networking |
| 22:37.40 | derdada1 | @craigevil: I already searched this page but he's using apt and I'm using aptitude. perhaps aptitude isn't able to work with pinning? |
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| 22:37.42 | BingO | azeem: now which lines have to put in source list |
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| 22:38.22 | azeem | BingO: 1. make sure networking is ok 2. use another mirror |
| 22:38.24 | azeem | !mirrors |
| 22:38.24 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 22:38.33 | craigevil | derdada1: might be ive never used aptitude, but exp packages do not show up when i do apt-get update running sid |
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| 22:39.43 | BingO | azeem: its etch so what will be... repos |
| 22:40.03 | azeem | !sources.list |
| 22:40.04 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:40.13 | azeem | replace lenny with etch |
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| 22:40.59 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:44.20 | BingO | azeem: this line is already is there.. |
| 22:44.20 | BingO | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 22:44.34 | BingO | now |
| 22:45.07 | BingO | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch |
| 22:45.20 | BingO | this line should be in file ? |
| 22:45.43 | adb | main non-free contrib , are there ? |
| 22:45.57 | BingO | yes.. |
| 22:46.01 | adb | ok |
| 22:46.14 | adb | no |
| 22:46.17 | BingO | then why this $apt-get install apache2 is not working |
| 22:46.25 | adb | deb-src .. |
| 22:46.28 | BingO | ?.. not finding apache |
| 22:46.37 | BingO | yes .. its with deb-src |
| 22:46.39 | BingO | now ? |
| 22:46.54 | th0ger | Hi, serious boot problems here. I downgraded to stable and it installed a new kernel(dont know which). After lilo boots it, it keeps rebooting(no output). Ok, trying to boot some older kernels(2.6.17) with lilo, it gives me a kernel panic, 'kernel too old' (it used to work). Now, with knoppix, I mounted disk ok, but when chroot'ing the disk i get 'kernel too old' again! |
| 22:46.59 | BingO | now should i put this line.. |
| 22:47.00 | BingO | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch |
| 22:47.04 | adb | BingO: $apt-get ? |
| 22:47.09 | Gratz474 | anyone here know anything about rrdtool? |
| 22:47.26 | th0ger | I should say my packages on the system are very messed up |
| 22:47.44 | BingO | adb: ? |
| 22:47.59 | adb | BingO: used $apt-get .. ? |
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| 22:48.17 | azeem | BingO: what you pasted talked about ftp.freenet.de |
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| 22:48.24 | BingO | adb: i gave command # apt-get install apache2 |
| 22:48.28 | [Dynami] | what is the command for xorg to configure it |
| 22:48.35 | iluminator101 | How do i change the netmask manually? |
| 22:49.04 | BingO | azeem: why ftp.freenet.de ? |
| 22:49.17 | azeem | 00:33 < BingO> http://pastebin.com/m207db033 |
| 22:49.23 | azeem | BingO: I don't know, look for yourself |
| 22:49.44 | azeem | Err http://ftp.freenet.de stable/main apache2.2-common 2.2.3-4+etch4 404 Not found [IP: 194.97.2.68 80] |
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| 22:51.21 | BingO | azeem got it.. |
| 22:51.30 | BingO | Thanks.. |
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| 22:56.46 | kevin01123 | When I log into KDE using KDM, the screen goes black, then goes back to the KDM login screen. Why is this happening? |
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| 22:57.29 | ajavid | goddamit. |
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| 22:59.23 | adb | kevin01123: try to add Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" to Device section of xorg.conf |
| 22:59.58 | fogus | hi guys. I get "Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090629-11:06' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press [Enter]." when I tried to install mdadm. is there a way that I can avoid having to keep sticking the disk into the PC? can't debian download the contents? |
| 23:00.27 | ajavid | fogus, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line ear the top that says cdrom |
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| 23:00.44 | ajavid | fogus, disable the cdrom repository and issue command `aptitude update` |
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| 23:01.12 | [Dynami] | on boot i get kdm .. then try and log-in .. the screen flashes and takes me back to login, does this mean xorg isn't configured properly ? |
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| 23:01.51 | fogus | ajavid: worked. thanks |
| 23:01.54 | ajavid | [Dynami], KDE is having an issue starting up, possibly due to a problematic ~/.kde (have you recenltly updated or upgraded) ? |
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| 23:02.07 | [Dynami] | i just installed it |
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| 23:02.18 | ajavid | [Dynami], on stable KDE 3.5.10? |
| 23:02.27 | [Dynami] | yeah |
| 23:02.40 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: what happens when you run startx from console? |
| 23:02.52 | [Dynami] | sec. |
| 23:03.04 | [Dynami] | command not found :S |
| 23:03.29 | kevin01123 | adb: Doesn't work. |
| 23:03.38 | kevin01123 | It doesn't let me log in. |
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| 23:03.39 | adb | ah , ok |
| 23:04.03 | adb | kevin01123: sid ? |
| 23:04.07 | kevin01123 | adb: I've used echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc too, it says command not found. |
| 23:04.08 | ajavid | [Dynami], which video driveR? |
| 23:04.10 | kevin01123 | adb: Lenny. |
| 23:04.34 | adb | card ? |
| 23:04.34 | kevin01123 | adb: The command not being found is startx, not echo. |
| 23:04.47 | kevin01123 | Integrated intel. |
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| 23:05.04 | [Dynami] | ajavid, intel .. do you think it's something to do with configuring xorg ? |
| 23:05.04 | kevin01123 | I've installed Lenny before and just used Xorg -configure. That always worked. |
| 23:05.08 | kevin01123 | Now it's giving me fits. |
| 23:05.21 | ajavid | [Dynami], at this point its hard to say |
| 23:05.36 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: well, install xorg |
| 23:05.39 | ajavid | [Dynami], kdm starts up. xorg is configured properly. |
| 23:05.53 | ajavid | [Dynami], kdm dies and fails to login to kde, goes back to kdm screen = kde problem |
| 23:05.59 | ajavid | that much is for sure |
| 23:06.05 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: it's /usr/bin/startx |
| 23:06.07 | [Dynami] | startx doesnt work |
| 23:06.18 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: define doesn't work |
| 23:06.19 | [Dynami] | no such file |
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| 23:06.26 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: apt-get install xorg |
| 23:06.36 | kevin01123 | xorg is installed. |
| 23:06.42 | nkuttler | [Dynami]: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:06.46 | nkuttler | xorg depends on xinit.. |
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| 23:08.02 | ajavid | I don't understand wtf |
| 23:08.09 | ajavid | 06:01 < [Dynami]> on boot i get kdm .. then try and log-in .. the screen flashes and takes me back to login, does this mean xorg isn't configured properly ? |
| 23:08.26 | nkuttler | xorg without startx doesn't sound like debian.. |
| 23:08.28 | ajavid | why are you trying to figure out why startx doesn't work, do you know where he is typiong it? |
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| 23:08.49 | ajavid | the problem is NOT startx. |
| 23:09.00 | ajavid | ffs |
| 23:09.18 | kevin01123 | Two people with the same problem? |
| 23:09.19 | [Dynami] | nevermind |
| 23:09.22 | nkuttler | ajavid: feel free to support however you like |
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| 23:09.29 | [Dynami] | i'll go with gnome |
| 23:09.36 | kevin01123 | [Dynami]: Wait. |
| 23:09.41 | ajavid | nkuttler, perhaps you should ask better questions |
| 23:09.41 | kevin01123 | I'm having the same problem you are. |
| 23:09.51 | nkuttler | ajavid: /help ignore |
| 23:09.54 | [Dynami] | i dont think i installed everything KDE needs |
| 23:10.02 | ajavid | nkuttler, live in ignorance, no chip off my shoulder. |
| 23:10.26 | ajavid | [Dynami], tell us what you did and how you did it |
| 23:10.31 | nkuttler | ajavid: his xorg isn't installed properly if he doesn't have startx. sorry if you fail to see that |
| 23:10.32 | oh_noes1 | hi, weird question. is it possible to query a deb repo for a different repo name and arch? I want to know what version of a package would be returned if a i386 etch machine did 'apt-get install xxxx' |
| 23:10.38 | [Dynami] | well |
| 23:10.38 | ajavid | without that, everyone is just shooting in the dark. |
| 23:10.45 | oh_noes1 | the calling server isnt etch or i386 |
| 23:10.48 | [Dynami] | i used apitiude to install kde |
| 23:10.55 | [Dynami] | and i cant remember the command i used |
| 23:11.00 | [Dynami] | but .. |
| 23:11.12 | [Dynami] | i did apt-get install kde .. and it seems to have sorted the extra packages i needed |
| 23:11.19 | ajavid | nkuttler, you have to ask what he did and how he did it. You can't just defnitely say, yes, this is the problem. |
| 23:11.27 | kevin01123 | I used "aptitude install xorg kde", and it still doesn't work. You'd think those two meta packages would pull in everything. |
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| 23:11.50 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 23:11.51 | EagleScreen | hi |
| 23:12.01 | [Dynami] | kevin01123, try apt-get install kide |
| 23:12.03 | [Dynami] | kde |
| 23:12.12 | sundaymorning | kevin01123: maybe it doesn't install xorg server, not sure |
| 23:12.20 | ajavid | [Dynami], aptitude install kde took care of it and more. |
| 23:12.26 | sundaymorning | see if xserver-xorg is installed |
| 23:12.28 | EagleScreen | when I press Ctrl Alt Supr (Ctrl Alt Del) in tty, computer reboots |
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| 23:12.45 | nkuttler | ajavid: it is _a_ problem |
| 23:12.50 | fogus | what is the best way to export a man file? I'd like to read one on my ebook reader |
| 23:12.57 | paxcoder | did anyone try running "hardinfo" on a 64 bit CPU? I'm getting 1000Mhz as clock-speed, while the CPU string indicate what I bought - a 2400Mhz proc. What's up with that? |
| 23:13.16 | ajavid | nkuttler, yes, but in this context, it is still not THE problem. |
| 23:13.18 | nkuttler | fogus: export to which format? |
| 23:13.24 | EagleScreen | when I press Ctrl Alt Supr (Ctrl Alt Del) in tty, computer reboots. I know there is a config file to change this to shutdown instead |
| 23:13.38 | EagleScreen | what is that file? |
| 23:13.44 | EagleScreen | please |
| 23:13.44 | nkuttler | ajavid: it's helpful to fix broken systems before trying to debug apps |
| 23:13.49 | fogus | nkuttler: well, if I could just copy all of the text then I could save in ODT |
| 23:13.59 | ajavid | nkuttler, it matters little if startx 'works' or not, KDM came up, can't login to kde, install kde metapackage, solved his issue |
| 23:14.00 | nkuttler | fogus: PAGER=cat man foo |
| 23:14.13 | edwin_quijada | how is the name for apt to create cd reposiotories but for console |
| 23:14.26 | fogus | nkuttler: actually type that? |
| 23:14.33 | edwin_quijada | I know aptOncd but this if with GUI |
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| 23:14.54 | ajavid | how startx even comes into play is beyond me. |
| 23:14.56 | nkuttler | fogus: redirect output. or mess with groff i uess |
| 23:14.58 | nkuttler | guess |
| 23:15.08 | ajavid | sure, if it doesn't exist, xorg isn't fully installed, whatever, but that is still NOT the issue. |
| 23:15.15 | fogus | man madm > my_file.txt? |
| 23:15.18 | sundaymorning | EagleScreen: /etc/inittab |
| 23:15.19 | nkuttler | ajavid: you're right |
| 23:15.32 | sundaymorning | you'll see a line like this: ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| 23:15.38 | sundaymorning | which you'll have to change |
| 23:15.53 | ajavid | nkuttler, I don't want to be right. I'd like to you ask better questions next time. |
| 23:16.06 | ajavid | nkuttler, I'm done. |
| 23:16.13 | nkuttler | ajavid: i think my question was great |
| 23:16.30 | edwin_quijada | I need aptoncd from console |
| 23:16.34 | ajavid | edwin_quijada, apt-cdrom |
| 23:16.34 | ajavid | > |
| 23:16.38 | ajavid | !apt-cdrom |
| 23:16.38 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. Ask me about <apt-cdrom_external>. |
| 23:16.40 | kevin01123 | I'm about to the point where I could punt kick a baby into the sun. It's like my PC is playing games with me. |
| 23:16.59 | edwin_quijada | there is no apt-scanpackage |
| 23:17.02 | sundaymorning | kevin01123: did it work now? |
| 23:17.05 | ajavid | kevin01123, relax, take a few deep breaths. Its just a box of plastic and metal, don't let it get the best of you |
| 23:17.09 | edwin_quijada | or something like that |
| 23:17.19 | kevin01123 | sundaymorning: No. |
| 23:17.36 | kevin01123 | ajavid: Yes, and this hammer is a tool of steel and wood. Who will win? |
| 23:17.50 | ajavid | kevin01123, you're on debian lenny 5.0? youve installed xorg/kde metapacakgs with aptitude, now what exactly is the problme? |
| 23:18.11 | ajavid | kevin01123, you lose both ways. 1) frustration. 2) broken comptuer. |
| 23:18.15 | sundaymorning | if I was on your machine I'd start by trying to make something like fluxbox to work to make sure everything is fine except for kde. But that's probably because I have little kde experience |
| 23:18.17 | ajavid | kevin01123, be cool. |
| 23:18.26 | paxcoder | is there a way to find exact frequency a CPU operates on? |
| 23:18.36 | nkuttler | paxcoder: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:18.41 | ajavid | paxcoder, I image cpuinfo has that line |
| 23:18.54 | sundaymorning | you may like that approach as fluxbox is a lot simpler |
| 23:19.10 | [Dynami] | flux is ugly though |
| 23:19.11 | kevin01123 | ajavid: Aye, it be a joke matey. |
| 23:19.25 | ajavid | kevin01123, sure, but it still reflects your level of frustration. |
| 23:19.28 | paxcoder | nkuttler: all those progs report back 1000Mhz. My CPU should run at 2400... :-/ |
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| 23:19.46 | ajavid | kevin01123, calm yourself, and you'll find a solution soon |
| 23:19.48 | ajavid | kevin01123, what exactly is the problem, can you re-iterate it for me? |
| 23:20.10 | nkuttler | paxcoder: is your box doing anything that needs cpu power? |
| 23:20.12 | kevin01123 | ajavid: Session errors. I think I may have resolved it though. Let me tinker a little bit. |
| 23:20.17 | EagleScreen | sundaymorning: that file does not exist in my system |
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| 23:20.21 | paxcoder | nkuttler: not really |
| 23:20.34 | paxcoder | nkuttler: the graphs are low (a pixel or two ;-) ) |
| 23:20.50 | jelly-home | paxcoder: /proc/cpuinfo should show the current values, and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq too |
| 23:20.56 | nkuttler | paxcoder: install and play with cpufrequtils |
| 23:21.10 | ajavid | hey jelly |
| 23:21.20 | jelly-home | hi |
| 23:21.49 | paxcoder | jelly-home: yeah, it all returns 1GHz |
| 23:21.58 | sundaymorning | EagleScreen: that's news for me, I thought you couldn't manage to install debian without having it. So, I have no idea about how your system works. Is it intel/amd architecture? |
| 23:22.07 | jelly-home | paxcoder: that's where it's at then |
| 23:22.09 | paxcoder | cpufreq-info as well |
| 23:22.09 | nkuttler | paxcoder: could be a bios setting |
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| 23:22.21 | ajavid | yup |
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| 23:22.35 | ajavid | check to see if you're throttled or if yo have a lower multiplier or fsb ratio |
| 23:22.35 | EagleScreen | sundaymorning: it is amd64 + Sid |
| 23:22.38 | paxcoder | actually, cpufreq-info says this: cpufreq stats: 2.40 GHz:21.43%, 2.20 GHz:0.64%, 2.00 GHz:0.31%, 1.80 GHz:14.03%, 1000 MHz:63.58% (699) |
| 23:22.40 | ajavid | fsb:dram ratio |
| 23:22.56 | ajavid | paxcoder, yup, throttled |
| 23:23.02 | jelly-home | paxcoder: is there anything going too slow? |
| 23:23.02 | ajavid | paxcoder, I'd check in bios first |
| 23:23.12 | paxcoder | jelly-home: no, i'm not running anything |
| 23:23.18 | paxcoder | ajavid: that means? |
| 23:23.19 | jelly-home | paxcoder: so it's all right then |
| 23:23.20 | ajavid | paxcoder, also I'd disable EIST etc. |
| 23:23.25 | sundaymorning | hm, no idea, then. |
| 23:23.28 | paxcoder | eist? |
| 23:23.37 | ajavid | ohboy. |
| 23:23.42 | paxcoder | ajavid: i don't know any of the things you mention. |
| 23:23.48 | ajavid | uhm.. nm then. |
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| 23:23.53 | jelly-home | ajavid: you're assuming he _wants_ it to run at top speed |
| 23:23.54 | paxcoder | accept bios of course |
| 23:24.05 | paxcoder | ajavid: don't i? XD |
| 23:24.11 | ajavid | jelly-home, well obviously it sounds like he doesnt' want to run at 1000mhz if he has a 2.4 |
| 23:24.16 | Ambush | heh |
| 23:24.30 | Ambush | paxcoder: ajavid is right, C1E/EIST is throttling your cpu |
| 23:24.40 | paxcoder | i still don't know what that is? |
| 23:24.47 | ajavid | well then look it up! |
| 23:24.49 | Ambush | its not harmful, as it normally kicks up to speed at the moment you need it |
| 23:24.51 | ajavid | genius |
| 23:24.52 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:24.53 | Ambush | i'd leave it enabled |
| 23:24.56 | Ambush | otherwise, if it bothers you, disable it |
| 23:24.57 | Ambush | heh |
| 23:25.05 | ajavid | look man |
| 23:25.09 | Ambush | saves you power with it enabled, it doesn't with it disabled, no big deal. |
| 23:25.18 | ajavid | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz |
| 23:25.18 | ajavid | stepping : 6 |
| 23:25.18 | ajavid | cpu MHz : 3009.898 |
| 23:25.28 | ajavid | thats top speed |
| 23:25.41 | oh_noes1 | is it possible to "aptitude search" into a different sources.list file? |
| 23:25.43 | ajavid | actually lots of stuff being compoield atm so its under load |
| 23:26.06 | ajavid | but I have EIST C1 on always, so when not under load, it will drop down to like 1.1/1.2 ghz |
| 23:26.16 | ajavid | when it needs to do stuff, it will kick back up to 3.0ghz |
| 23:26.22 | paxcoder | Ambush: ajavid: oh, you're right, thank you. I just ran swfdec, and then cat'd those /sys stuff from above, it's showing fine now. |
| 23:26.40 | paxcoder | thanks. i was scrd for a moment :-) |
| 23:27.02 | ajavid | np |
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| 23:27.21 | jelly-home | an idle cpu lowers its working frequency (and voltage), that's a feature |
| 23:27.30 | ajavid | a damn good one |
| 23:27.34 | jvogel | Hi - in bash how can I use the find comand to return only the file name and not the entire path? |
| 23:27.35 | ajavid | yes |
| 23:27.43 | paxcoder | i agree. funny how they never taught me that. |
| 23:28.25 | nkuttler | jvogel: basename can do that |
| 23:28.33 | jvogel | whats that |
| 23:28.37 | \amethyst | jvogel: find -printf '%f\n' or -printf '%f\0' if you're using xargs -0 |
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| 23:29.34 | jvogel | Thanks \amethyst |
| 23:30.02 | jvogel | how can i do -size and specify MB? |
| 23:30.24 | \amethyst | jvogel: -size +74M |
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| 23:30.47 | \amethyst | jvogel: for > 75 megabytes (technically "mebibytes", binary megabytes) |
| 23:31.11 | \amethyst | err, > 74 |
| 23:31.32 | jvogel | ah ok when i had the printf statement before my size parameter it would ignore that |
| 23:31.53 | \amethyst | jvogel: right, -printf should usually be last |
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| 23:33.20 | jvogel | thanks |
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| 23:40.17 | psiforce | does anyone know if cron scripts will still run if the load is high enough? |
| 23:40.57 | nsadmin | man cron, the answer at least as far as what cron does will be there |
| 23:41.26 | nsadmin | other than that, if you run out of process table entries then no new processes can run |
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| 23:46.48 | psiforce | nsadmin: well so a load of 10 shoudn't cause a huge problem |
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| 23:50.39 | Paranoidi | any tips shaving off ~100MB from ubuntu installation? my eee does not have enough free space to update 9.10 alpha ;P |
| 23:50.59 | nsadmin | psiforce: perhaps not... why is the load avg so high tho? |
| 23:51.10 | Paranoidi | ach, sorry .. joined #debian from old habbit (I run debian in my server) |
| 23:51.20 | mischief- | Paranoidi: try cleaning your apt package cache. |
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| 23:51.39 | rysiek|pl | Paranoidi: and try removing unused kernels+modules+headers+whatnot |
| 23:51.40 | Paranoidi | mischief-: tried that, thanks for the tip tough :) |
| 23:52.20 | psiforce | nsadmin: not sure. trying to investigate that it could be that things are swapping out. dmesg does not give any errors related to hardware |
| 23:52.40 | nsadmin | does free show that you're swapping?] |
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| 23:55.08 | nsadmin | psiforce also looking at top to see what are the top few resource-intensive processes could offer some clue |
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| 23:55.49 | psiforce | nsadmin: was previously showing 0 cached, and now is showing 265mb in cache |
| 23:56.32 | nsadmin | hmm, so there's now more free ram? |
| 23:58.30 | psiforce | nsadmin: yes |
| 23:58.54 | psiforce | nsadmin: which is good, the load is dropping but its still around 5-7 |
| 23:58.57 | nsadmin | did the load avg come down any? |
| 23:59.02 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:59.19 | nsadmin | so perhaps it is about swappage |
| 23:59.21 | psiforce | nsadmin: I restarted glassfish |
| 23:59.45 | psiforce | which I think was hogging the ram |
| 23:59.58 | psiforce | top shows no cpu bound tasks |
