| 00:00.25 | psiforce | is there an option to sort on IO usage? |
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| 00:01.01 | nsadmin | well you could script a toplike thing, look into watch |
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| 00:02.32 | nsadmin | the strategy I'd go for is getting the listing and using sort on a particular field |
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| 00:03.49 | keith80403 | Why is apt-get referenced but aptitude is not in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html ? |
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| 00:05.10 | psiforce | nsadmin: wa field in top is waiting isn't it. ie the cpu is waiting for io |
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| 00:06.51 | bike^ | what purpose doe the googleearth-package have? |
| 00:07.07 | craigevil | keith80403: uhm because it's the apt-howto ? :) |
| 00:07.20 | bike^ | aha |
| 00:07.56 | keith80403 | craigevil, (-: OK - I usually use aptitude, duh, I'll look for the etch>lenny pages that reference aptitude. |
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| 00:09.40 | nsadmin | psiforce: hmm, I'm not familiar with that part |
| 00:10.20 | craigevil | keith80403: take a look at /usr/share/aptitude/help.txt and in /usr/share/doc/apatitude |
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| 00:11.03 | keith80403 | craigevil, I think that's what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 00:11.23 | hikenboot | question: |
| 00:11.53 | hikenboot | if i have a bunch of vms i am puting on a raid 1 hard drive do i put them all into the same volume group |
| 00:12.12 | hikenboot | or do i have to put them into separate volume groups in order to use snapshots? |
| 00:13.53 | nsadmin | I would guess you could have any arrangement you want... you certainly can with xen |
| 00:13.54 | sepult | fucking whiptail |
| 00:13.56 | wt_ | in RFC1912, it says that all DNS servers must be authoritative for localhost (among other zones)...is this true for authoritative-only servers? |
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| 00:14.01 | sepult | it garbles everything |
| 00:14.30 | hikenboot | msadmin an recommendation on either of those two options? |
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| 00:15.23 | qt-x | hy! |
| 00:15.46 | nsadmin | well a volume group implies different physical volumes |
| 00:16.17 | nsadmin | I can't really advise you, because there's not any information about your needs |
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| 00:16.25 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
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| 00:18.04 | bike^ | uuh /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: libssl.so.0.9.8: undefined symbol: EVP_idea_cbc |
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| 00:18.27 | nsadmin | bike^: mixing versions? |
| 00:18.29 | abrotman | maybe it wants a different version of SSL ? |
| 00:18.49 | bike^ | donno, just ran the make-google-earthpackage |
| 00:18.52 | bike^ | lemme see |
| 00:19.35 | bike^ | 0.9.8 seems to be correct |
| 00:19.37 | bike^ | weird tho |
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| 00:20.16 | nsadmin | maybe its build system doesn't stop on not finding something |
| 00:21.12 | nsadmin | and therefore builds a package that doesn't properly link |
| 00:21.22 | bike^ | might be |
| 00:21.27 | n-iCe | are there problems with repositories links? |
| 00:21.28 | abrotman | nsadmin: google earth isn't in debian |
| 00:21.56 | nsadmin | abrotman: that doesn't change that possibility tho |
| 00:22.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: that he's mixing versions of what? |
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| 00:22.46 | nsadmin | oh I see, good point |
| 00:23.24 | bzed | bike^: there is no warranty that the package create with make-google-.... will work on your system |
| 00:23.39 | nsadmin | but... he's running some kind of script that builds a package... what kind of package? a .deb? |
| 00:23.42 | bzed | bike^: as the make-... script only puts prebuilt files from google into a package |
| 00:24.06 | nsadmin | so it's not checking libs or anything |
| 00:24.09 | bike^ | yah, gonna try installing it the "normal" way |
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| 00:24.19 | bzed | nsadmin: googleearth-package |
| 00:24.38 | bzed | nsadmin: and yeah, the script is a mess, its author does not have all clues... |
| 00:24.39 | oh_noes1 | is it possible to search a repo for a different arch? something like this maybe? # aptitude search foobar --mirror="http://server.com/mirror" --arch="i386" --repo="hardy" --repo-dir="main" |
| 00:24.40 | nsadmin | which ends up being a .deb? |
| 00:24.50 | bike^ | yes |
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| 00:25.39 | bzed | GE ships a lot of libraries, so relying on dh_shlibdeps is not really easy |
| 00:26.00 | bike^ | ah yes, normal way worked |
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| 00:27.53 | abrotman | oh_noes1: ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:28.46 | sepult | is it dangerous to set the symlinks to the actual vmlinuz and initrd by hand ? |
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| 00:30.05 | nsadmin | no it's not, but it's better to have your menu.lst refer to the specific ones rather than the "last one compiled"... but you could also do both |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | sepult: you mean the ones in /? |
| 00:30.22 | oh_noes1 | abrotman: it's not a click and point thing though, they won't have any idea :p |
| 00:30.24 | sepult | yes in / |
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| 00:30.31 | oh_noes1 | it's a more underlying debian/apt CLI question |
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| 00:30.44 | abrotman | oh_noes1: then ask ##linux, we support Debian here, not everything else |
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| 00:31.23 | abrotman | sepult: AFAIK .. grub/grub2 don't even use those anymore .. though i could be wrong |
| 00:31.26 | nsadmin | oh_noes1: specifically... it's possible ubuntu changed their version |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | doesn't know about lilo |
| 00:32.14 | sepult | abrotman: yes i noticed it, sometime ago i unlinked those links, and got them again, i don't know if it's really required they are under / |
| 00:32.43 | nsadmin | you probably got them by doing a non-make-kpkg compile and install |
| 00:33.12 | sepult | nsadmin: i didn't even compile any kernels this time |
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| 00:33.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: i believe the debian kernels still update those symlinks, but i don't see grub/grub2 using them |
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| 00:33.54 | mamalujo | hi! anyone used xmacro here? Im attempting to make it emit 'th' on a single keypress. binding 'xmacroplay :0.0 < ~/xmacro-0.2/th.script' to a hotkey in wingow manager is giving me some strange results. like htthh |
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| 00:34.55 | mamalujo | script is just a pair of KeyStrPress and KeyStrRelease for t and h |
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| 00:35.47 | nsadmin | abrotman hmm, so he got them by installing one of those... wouldn't that constitute fuzzy ownership of a file? |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:36.41 | nsadmin | you'd then have multiple packages contending for those symlinks |
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| 00:37.31 | nsadmin | but then I'm not sure that's a bug or expected/desired behavior |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | i'm sure there's some magic logic (that i don't feel like going to look at) to determine which one is symlinked |
| 00:38.07 | mamalujo | running same comand from terminal does emit just th, w some unwanted info about what its xmacroplay is doing prior to it |
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| 00:52.48 | bike^ | sniffles, google earth basically crashes around cydonia mars |
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| 00:53.12 | rysiek|pl | bike^: try Celestia |
| 00:53.26 | rysiek|pl | bike^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestia |
| 00:53.47 | bike^ | you cant even search for anything on mars |
| 00:54.01 | rysiek|pl | ? |
| 00:54.16 | bike^ | locations on mars arent searchable |
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| 00:54.31 | bike^ | aha |
| 00:54.33 | bike^ | an app |
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| 00:56.56 | nsadmin | hence its name google EARTH? |
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| 01:00.30 | simonrvn | nsadmin: it does more now |
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| 01:00.54 | bike^ | underwater stuff even |
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| 01:04.39 | ajavid | hi simon, admin |
| 01:05.25 | ajavid | whats kickin' |
| 01:05.47 | sepult | ronaldo is kickin |
| 01:05.55 | sepult | pele is not kickin |
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| 01:07.17 | ajavid | I'm moving my irssi from box to box |
| 01:07.18 | ajavid | :D |
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| 01:07.48 | bike^ | woah now celstia's got plants :D geise stuff even, weird navigation thingie tho, thansk rysiek|pl |
| 01:07.51 | ajavid | so I can turn that other box into a sid box |
| 01:07.54 | ajavid | need to do stuff |
| 01:08.04 | ajavid | bike^, what is celestilia? |
| 01:08.13 | ajavid | celestian |
| 01:08.15 | rysiek|pl | ajavid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestia |
| 01:08.17 | ajavid | oh goddamit, celestia |
| 01:08.26 | vn | hi, something is being a very high memory hog on my system and theres nothing particular in top...I thought it was apache but its turned off..only big thing going on is a big file transfert going on...idk if that can use memory? its not going on the softraid array |
| 01:08.35 | vn | or is there a better way than to to c what used memory? |
| 01:08.44 | bike^ | hehe, it crapped out on mars too |
| 01:08.55 | ajavid | wow |
| 01:08.57 | ajavid | nice |
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| 01:09.14 | vn | and whats already the name of the rootkit scanner? |
| 01:09.41 | bike^ | rkthunter? |
| 01:09.44 | vn | thx |
| 01:09.52 | bike^ | chkrootkit too |
| 01:10.09 | vn | wtf I'm sure I had them on my system |
| 01:10.18 | bike^ | doesnt make much sense on systems where you update alot tho, will give a load of false positives. i think/hope ^^ |
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| 01:10.44 | bike^ | well warnings on altered files etc |
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| 01:11.22 | bike^ | mkay, no mars for me |
| 01:11.47 | vn | Mars has just been destroyed by the Zerg... |
| 01:11.56 | bike^ | i knew it! |
| 01:12.19 | rysiek|pl | OMG ZERG RUSH!!!!1!1!11oneone!eleven |
| 01:12.41 | rysiek|pl | supposes it's time to go to sleep |
| 01:12.49 | rysiek|pl | cu guys |
| 01:12.51 | bike^ | so they say |
| 01:12.54 | bike^ | g'nite |
| 01:13.05 | ajavid | irssi transfer time |
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| 01:13.09 | Sertse | hi |
| 01:13.20 | Sertse | how do I add something in update-alternatives? |
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| 01:13.57 | Brune | My screen goes into some sort of standby/sleep mode but xfce power manager, dpms and all bios and monitor settings have stuff like that off. Any ideas whats putting my screen to sleep/standby or how to find out? |
| 01:14.02 | bike^ | uhm, could you be a bit more clear, what are you trying to do? update what? |
| 01:14.10 | bike^ | Sertse* |
| 01:14.29 | bike^ | Brune, the x-screensaver thignie |
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| 01:14.49 | Sertse | I'm trying to set chromium as default browser. |
| 01:15.06 | Brune | bike^: thats disabled, I use xfce-power-manager instead, the daemon is COMPLETELY disabled. |
| 01:15.13 | bike^ | it actually manages to display the screensaver on one of my screens while im active too |
| 01:15.25 | bike^ | psychotic little system i have |
| 01:15.53 | bike^ | no gnome-screensaver thing running either? |
| 01:16.06 | Brune | bike^: i dont use gnome |
| 01:16.18 | bike^ | well you could be using parts of gnome , like me |
| 01:16.20 | Brune | bike^: so no, i am sure its completely disabled, no daemons running |
| 01:16.25 | bike^ | k |
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| 01:16.30 | vn | can a huge long file transfert be a memory hog? |
| 01:16.48 | Brune | bike^: even then I made it so the settings on gnome and xscreensaver disable it just in case. |
| 01:16.58 | bike^ | i see |
| 01:16.59 | ajavid | !celestia |
| 01:17.00 | dpkg | celestia is, like, a open-gl Solar System simulator. apt-get install celestia, or availabe at http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ |
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| 01:17.32 | ajavid | cool packed! |
| 01:17.37 | ajavid | packaged |
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| 01:17.44 | bike^ | Brune, what are you running? stable? |
| 01:17.53 | Brune | bike^: testing, squeeze i think its called. |
| 01:17.58 | pflanze | How do you quote/escape strings so that when inserted into bash script they are interpreted as the original string? (With which tool?) |
| 01:18.00 | bike^ | yeh |
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| 01:18.03 | ajavid | I backported irssi 8.13 from sid to stable |
| 01:18.13 | ajavid | lets see |
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| 01:19.55 | Schuenemann | hi |
| 01:20.12 | Schuenemann | is it possible to make gnome menus transparent? |
| 01:20.21 | Brune | Schuenemann: yes. |
| 01:20.33 | Schuenemann | using metacity? how? |
| 01:20.45 | Brune | Schuenemann: its in the properties of the window. |
| 01:21.00 | Brune | Schuenemann: like in gnome terminal theres a transparency setting |
| 01:21.10 | Schuenemann | Brune, no, I'm talking about the menu |
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| 01:21.31 | Schuenemann | in ubuntu forum some people said in System>Preferences>Advanced Desktop Settings>General>Opacity Settings |
| 01:21.36 | Schuenemann | but I don't have that in preferences |
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| 01:23.33 | ajavid | ok sweet, irssi transferred to box, all settings came along with it |
| 01:23.42 | ajavid | !ping |
| 01:23.43 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
| 01:23.47 | ajavid | yup lag. |
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| 01:24.18 | LinuxMercedes | ok, noob question: what package do I have to install in Debian to get the 'shutdown' command? |
| 01:24.26 | ajavid | btw I discovered this awesome little script for irssi, advanced window list plugin |
| 01:24.36 | bike^ | Schuenemann, there is composing in xfce |
| 01:24.36 | ajavid | adv_windowlist.pl (runs under screen) |
| 01:24.38 | bike^ | donno about gnome |
| 01:24.49 | ajavid | compositing? or composing? |
| 01:24.55 | n-iCe | LinuxMercedes: dunno,try wmshutdown |
| 01:25.04 | ajavid | bike^, gnome doesn't have anything, it uses compiz confusion |
| 01:25.06 | n-iCe | LinuxMercedes: apcupsd |
| 01:25.16 | ajavid | xfce has minor/basic compositing routines in its window manager |
| 01:25.19 | bike^ | ajavid, ok |
| 01:25.26 | Schuenemann | bike^, like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16769&d=1159855462 |
| 01:25.28 | ajavid | kde3 also uses compiz confusion, though KDE4 has it built in |
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| 01:25.37 | Schuenemann | ajavid, is that compiz? |
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| 01:25.55 | Hanibal | hello everyone |
| 01:25.59 | bike^ | hm, how is it on the system? still shoots up to 100% cpu time at times? |
| 01:26.00 | ajavid | Schuenemann, yes |
| 01:26.06 | bike^ | kde4 thatsi |
| 01:26.09 | ajavid | gnome does NOT have compositing built into it |
| 01:26.12 | Schuenemann | oh =/ |
| 01:26.25 | ajavid | it utilizes compiz window manager to do it |
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| 01:26.39 | Schuenemann | compiz is the only windows manager that has it? |
| 01:26.41 | bike^ | compiz-fusion and emerald i believe |
| 01:26.43 | Schuenemann | window* |
| 01:26.47 | ajavid | not emerald anymore |
| 01:26.50 | bike^ | ok |
| 01:27.01 | bike^ | just cump-fusion? |
| 01:27.02 | ajavid | compiz fusion uses compiz-windowdecorator-gtk and kde |
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| 01:27.18 | ajavid | c compiz-gtk - OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator |
| 01:27.23 | ajavid | i compiz-kde - OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator |
| 01:27.27 | ajavid | doh, didn't mean to apste two lines |
| 01:27.27 | Schuenemann | ajavid, how about window transparency? |
| 01:27.37 | ajavid | Schuenemann, not without compiz |
| 01:27.42 | Schuenemann | hmm |
| 01:27.48 | LinuxMercedes | n-iCe, neither of those. I just installed a debian system and can't find the package containing the 'shutdown' command |
| 01:28.00 | Schuenemann | ajavid, why? since it has panel transparency, why not window or menus? |
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| 01:28.27 | ajavid | I don't know |
| 01:28.32 | adb | LinuxMercedes: apt-file search shutdown |
| 01:28.35 | ajavid | I just know it doesn't. If it does, happy for you |
| 01:28.44 | ajavid | !shutdown |
| 01:28.44 | dpkg | methinks shutdown is "shutdown -h" now, or ask me about <poweroff> |
| 01:28.48 | ajavid | !poweroff |
| 01:28.49 | dpkg | If your older system doesn't power off after `shutdown -h now', append "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line. See http://bugs.debian.org/390547 for more information. |
| 01:29.01 | LinuxMercedes | adb: thanks |
| 01:29.08 | ajavid | !dbugs #390547 |
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| 01:29.12 | dpkg | DONE:#390547:N[release-notes] (forw) After upgrade to etch, power off after shutdown does not work any more (); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:33:02 UTC [] |
| 01:29.19 | Schuenemann | alright |
| 01:29.23 | ajavid | wow.. old. |
| 01:29.57 | ajavid | anyway |
| 01:30.11 | ajavid | I'm gonna go make a screenshot of my irssi, I really want to share this new cool freakin windowlist plugin |
| 01:30.15 | ajavid | :D |
| 01:30.23 | Schuenemann | let me see |
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| 01:30.32 | n-iCe | ajavid: show us |
| 01:30.37 | ajavid | ok, letme take one screenshot hold on. |
| 01:31.04 | Hanibal | hey everyone, i have quite an issue here... I'm trying to install a fresh install of debian 'etch' on a dell computer. The hdd are some seagate scsi drives on a tekram dc-390 controller. Debian doesn't seem to like the controller, but it finds the drives initally. When i got to set up the partition manager, it says that i don't have any drives. |
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| 01:31.54 | ajavid | taking it now... ok! done |
| 01:32.03 | ajavid | Schuenemann, n-iCe, http://picpaste.com/irssi_adv_windowlist.pl.png |
| 01:32.12 | ajavid | look at my bottom statusbar, I love it! |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | Hanibal: why aren't you installing lenny ? |
| 01:32.26 | Hanibal | abrotman, i've run out of cds lol |
| 01:32.32 | ajavid | I used to use the chanact.pl sript, but this is cool. Unfortunately it is not in the package of irssi-scripts (its new) |
| 01:32.41 | ajavid | chanact is in here though |
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| 01:33.03 | Schuenemann | ajavid, what is so cool about it? (not used to irssi) |
| 01:33.06 | ajavid | Schuenemann, n-iCe, http://picpaste.com/irssi_1.png <-- few hours ago it used to look like this with the chanact.pl script |
| 01:33.09 | bike^ | nice |
| 01:33.19 | Schuenemann | is to that "bar" in the bottom? |
| 01:33.39 | ajavid | Schuenemann, I can't explain it, its just a really nice and clean and easy and configurable IRC experience. irssi > * imo, without a doubt in my mind |
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| 01:34.41 | Schuenemann | ajavid, so, i mean where is this window list? |
| 01:34.45 | Schuenemann | no* |
| 01:34.51 | ajavid | at the bottom |
| 01:34.59 | ajavid | lol, this new style of statusbar is awesome |
| 01:35.23 | ajavid | it shows the irssi refnum meta key binding and it spans multiple statusbars, previous impossible with irssi |
| 01:35.29 | Schuenemann | the default is at top right? or is that bitchx? |
| 01:35.37 | ajavid | so this way i don't forget which window and how to switch to it |
| 01:35.48 | ajavid | also, its cooler cuz now i can see all my chans |
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| 01:36.05 | otto_ | clear |
| 01:36.09 | ajavid | yes clear |
| 01:36.12 | ajavid | very clear |
| 01:36.20 | ajavid | Schuenemann, this is not bitch x |
| 01:36.22 | vn | something is being a very high memory hog on my system and theres nothing particular in top...I thought it was apache but its turned off..only big thing going on is a big file transfert going on...idk if that can use memory? its not going on the softraid array |
| 01:36.22 | otto_ | no, I forgot the slash lol |
| 01:36.27 | ajavid | otto_, hahaha |
| 01:36.37 | zinx | ajavid: i don't think that would scale well to 50 windows |
| 01:36.40 | ajavid | vn, you still have not found any answers |
| 01:36.44 | ajavid | zinx, it does |
| 01:36.53 | ajavid | zinx, # of lines, size of block |
| 01:36.54 | vn | ajavid: no, im getting clueless |
| 01:36.57 | ajavid | everything, EVERYTHING is configurable |
| 01:37.08 | ajavid | look at the script source, its nice |
| 01:37.10 | zinx | ajavid: i mean, it would take up too much of the screen |
| 01:37.11 | ajavid | ugly, but nice |
| 01:37.14 | vn | no rootkits |
| 01:37.25 | vn | weird connections from all over the world but nothing persistent |
| 01:37.29 | ajavid | zinx, no, just don't make each block same width, instead of static size, kee pit dynaic |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | vn: how are you measuring ? |
| 01:37.34 | ajavid | takes MUCH less space on the bar |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | is pretty sure there's a #irssi |
| 01:37.49 | Hanibal | any other people good with scsi drivers :/ |
| 01:38.09 | vn | abrotman: top, but I know it can be unreliable |
| 01:38.20 | abrotman | vn: try `free -m` |
| 01:38.21 | vn | even mrtg says mem is maxed out |
| 01:38.25 | ajavid | zinx, http://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/adv_windowlist.pl |
| 01:38.33 | vn | free says the same |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | Hanibal: i'd really suggest trying lenny or etchnhalf .. |
| 01:38.35 | vn | 6Mb free |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | vn: paste it in a pastebin somewhere |
| 01:38.46 | Hanibal | mmm |
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| 01:38.54 | ajavid | hey man, is there any word on lenny n' half? |
| 01:38.57 | Hanibal | i'll see if i can find a spare cd arround here |
| 01:39.02 | Hanibal | theres bound to be one |
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| 01:39.09 | abrotman | a bit early for that |
| 01:39.10 | triplc | Hi all ! |
| 01:39.11 | ajavid | I heard 7.4 xorg was gonna be in there, and a .30 kernel |
| 01:39.11 | Schuenemann | ajavid: http://imagebin.org/54603 |
| 01:39.31 | vn | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1485204 |
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| 01:39.45 | ajavid | Schuenemann, uff... too much dark |
| 01:39.49 | ajavid | ;) |
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| 01:39.59 | Schuenemann | good for my eyes :D |
| 01:40.12 | jda2000 | Is there a tool under Debian that can let you set a "auto power up time" for a g3 iMac? |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | vn: there's no problem at all .. you're using it for buffers and cache ? |
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| 01:40.49 | triplc | Where I can find "debian unofficial" for Lenny? After upgrading to Lenny, I can no longer have debian unofficial repo. Where can I find another alternative ? |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | triplc: the what ? |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | triplc: what do you get from that repo? |
| 01:41.28 | ajavid | what unofficial repo? |
| 01:41.29 | pzn | Hi, I have a weird cron behaviour, it starts running the schedules processes at wrong time! log is here: http://vztech.com.br/cron-weird/ can someone give me a hint? |
| 01:41.30 | vn | abrotman: I dont even know whats using my memory! all I have going on is a huge file copy over the network |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | vn: nothing is yusing it |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | !tell vn about free ram |
| 01:42.08 | ajavid | vn, you're fine |
| 01:42.14 | triplc | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian lenny main <-- this does not work |
| 01:42.16 | vn | but my system is extremely slow |
| 01:42.22 | vn | compared as before |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | vn: how mmuch CPU is free |
| 01:42.34 | Schuenemann | triplc: what do you want to download from that "unnofficial repo"? |
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| 01:42.38 | abrotman | triplc: what do you get from that repo? |
| 01:42.39 | ajavid | well look at top output and see the cpu |
| 01:42.47 | vn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.58 | abrotman | vn: so your system is doing a lot of work .. |
| 01:43.04 | vn | Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 8.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 42.5%id, 5.1%wa, 40.7%hi, 2.8%si, 0.0%st |
| 01:43.43 | triplc | Unofficial repo? In fact, I used it in previous stable release, and after uprading to Lenny, it's gone. I do not remember exactly what package I use from it. |
| 01:43.47 | ajavid | vn, look at your process list |
| 01:44.01 | ajavid | vn, you got stuff going on, good amount of load on cpu |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | triplc: so you don't know what you used it for, but you want it again ? |
| 01:44.09 | triplc | (sorry, if I ask the wrong question in this irc channel) |
| 01:44.32 | triplc | abrotman, yeah |
| 01:44.49 | ajavid | if you don't know what it does or why you need it, you don't need it. |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | triplc: if you would tell us what was there, we might be able to help you replace it |
| 01:44.59 | ajavid | when you do need it, you'll know, and then we'll know |
| 01:45.00 | vn | ajavid: most cpu-hog processed are cp and top... |
| 01:45.05 | vn | processes* |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | triplc: most people are okay with the main repo and then add contrib/non-free .. and then some add the dmm repos |
| 01:45.13 | ajavid | as it stands rightnow, we don't know and pretty much no way to find out if you can't tell us |
| 01:45.26 | Schuenemann | triplc: is there anything you want to download and can't find in your current repos? |
| 01:45.34 | ajavid | vn, yeh |
| 01:45.46 | ajavid | vn, your are copying large file you said. thats whats taking up load |
| 01:45.57 | vn | wth |
| 01:45.59 | ajavid | vn, watch your stress load AFTER file is finished then see |
| 01:46.04 | vn | ok |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | triplc: looking through that .. most of the stuff is in lenny, or /msg dpkg dmm .. you should be set |
| 01:46.20 | ajavid | if it is still high after word, fine out what your 3 other users are doing |
| 01:46.31 | ajavid | afterward |
| 01:46.35 | vn | thats...wth, network transferts hogging system resources? |
| 01:46.39 | ajavid | goddamn i can't spell worth a fuc.k |
| 01:46.41 | vn | ajavid: all 4 users are me |
| 01:46.45 | abrotman | vn: what kind of network transfer ? |
| 01:46.46 | ajavid | vn, its copying from your disk |
| 01:46.53 | ajavid | vn, disk i/o causing cpu high? |
| 01:46.59 | vn | no, from the NAS to my disk |
| 01:47.05 | ajavid | vn, depends on protocol too |
| 01:47.12 | vn | over netbios |
| 01:47.26 | ajavid | o_O |
| 01:47.37 | ajavid | word. |
| 01:47.45 | triplc | ok |
| 01:48.22 | vn | abrotman: cp -R \\192.168.1.66\public\ /srv/R/ |
| 01:48.23 | adb | triplc: that's too old debian-unofficial it stops ~20-Apr-2006 |
| 01:48.29 | vn | thats like...40-50gb |
| 01:48.41 | vn | and its running since 36 hrs |
| 01:48.53 | triplc | ok, so let's forget that old stuff |
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| 01:50.09 | vn | ok so if I understand well, heavy network transfers are resource hogs? |
| 01:50.18 | vn | its a p3 800 with 512mb ram.. |
| 01:52.35 | nooper | i didn't know you could copy files liket hat |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | vn: it depends on the transfer involved |
| 01:52.36 | nooper | that |
| 01:52.59 | nooper | cp understands \\network locations? |
| 01:53.18 | vn | still I dont get it...its so big of a transfer that it takes more and more resources, so it clogs the system, slowing down the transfer, hogging the system even more, slowing down even more... |
| 01:53.22 | vn | nooper: not directly |
| 01:53.35 | vn | I just interpreted it, because I'm doing it from mount points |
| 01:53.42 | nooper | ah |
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| 01:55.02 | nooper | samba is cpu-heavy on file transfers here |
| 01:55.28 | pzn | when mdadm starts a checkarray, then disks IO are too much, and cron processes are dispatched delayed, sometimes 1 minute later. how to solve this? |
| 01:55.32 | Binnisb | Hello. |
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| 01:56.29 | Binnisb | What directories do I need to backup and what directories / files can I ignor? |
| 01:56.37 | Hanibal | aha |
| 01:56.40 | Hanibal | ok people |
| 01:56.42 | ajavid | !what to backup |
| 01:56.43 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
| 01:56.50 | Binnisb | thx |
| 01:56.55 | poseidon | !acmkdir |
| 01:56.55 | Hanibal | my drives are being detected, but the installer doesn't see them |
| 01:56.58 | vn | whats supposed to be in /srv btw? |
| 01:57.26 | ajavid | this is awesome, shiretoko updates itself |
| 01:57.27 | ajavid | fuck yea |
| 01:58.05 | Hanibal | abrotman: my drives are being detected, but the installer doesn't see them :3 they are in /dev/sda -> sdd |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:58.35 | poseidon | Are there any debian packages which include acmkdir? |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | Hanibal: maybe ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:58.48 | Hanibal | ok |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | ajavid: try to keep it ontopic |
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| 01:59.43 | ajavid | you bot it boss |
| 01:59.47 | ajavid | got |
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| 02:01.42 | poseidon | after looking through google I can't seem to find it anywhere in the debian repos. Just found an rpm for it |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | poseidon: did you try apt-file or packages.debian.org ? |
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| 02:26.35 | ovnicraft | hi i am configuring my apache with php for joomla but when i put a html file in url to see it, i see the src code, how i can solve this? |
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| 02:27.20 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php5 and a2enmod php5 ? |
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| 02:51.51 | rizet | anyone could explain to me how the traffic goes with the internet browsing through openvpn vs ssh -- don't mean: udp vs tcp, session level vs application level but rather how a browser gets to the sockets with openvpn vs ssh? |
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| 02:52.57 | rizet | or any link to a website with this info |
| 02:53.30 | adb | google , says nothings ? |
| 02:53.37 | rizet | can't find it |
| 02:53.47 | rizet | nothing really about this aspect |
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| 02:56.11 | Mikey^ | Heya |
| 02:56.36 | ovnicraft | abrotman, yes i got them |
| 02:57.06 | ovnicraft | abrotman, the php files runs but i see them without css styles |
| 02:58.02 | nsadmin | look at the source, is it correct? when you try to verify the html thru w3, is it clean? |
| 02:58.25 | ovnicraft | its joomla code |
| 02:58.48 | nsadmin | which still outputs html+css, or no? |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | maybe it's time to look at the apache error logs ? |
| 02:59.46 | nsadmin | that might be a first stop |
| 03:00.07 | nsadmin | in fact you might also ssh in and tail them |
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| 03:20.39 | gasull | Hi all. How do I see what group a user belongs to? Thank you. |
| 03:22.18 | adb | groups |
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| 03:24.07 | gasull | adb: Thanks. |
| 03:24.24 | adb | np |
| 03:24.46 | gasull | Why do I see a process running as user "110" but "groups 110" returns the error of no such user? |
| 03:25.05 | adb | id |
| 03:25.19 | adb | 110(netdev) |
| 03:26.53 | gasull | adb: id returns a list where 110 isn't, and id 110 returns no such user :-( |
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| 03:28.01 | adb | cat /etc/group | grep 110 |
| 03:28.27 | Samus_Aran | how can I list the files contained in a given package, e.g. "bash" to see the list /bin/bash and the man page and the rest of the support files ? |
| 03:28.53 | Samus_Aran | I can get this through the various GUI package managers, but was hoping there was a way with apt that I haven't found |
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| 03:29.21 | Samus_Aran | adb: grep 110 /etc/group |
| 03:29.27 | gasull | adb: I got this: avahi:x:110: |
| 03:29.28 | adb | apt-file |
| 03:30.01 | gasull | So avahi is the user. |
| 03:30.12 | adb | for you , yes |
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| 03:32.00 | martianixor | hello everyone, is there a way to supress the output after sending the process to the bg? |
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| 03:32.30 | liable | !ops please ban bl4-206-173.dsl.telepac.pt |
| 03:32.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: please ban bl4-206-173.dsl.telepac.pt |
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| 03:32.39 | valan | i deem people as being stupid |
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| 03:32.49 | martianixor | that's not nice at all |
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| 03:33.09 | valan | just certain people though, perhaps i should have specified that |
| 03:33.19 | valan | not at all every people |
| 03:33.29 | gasull | adb, Samus_Aran: Thank you |
| 03:33.43 | Samus_Aran | adb: how can I use apt-file to list the files in a package ? apt-file list bash doesn't work |
| 03:33.44 | martianixor | where were you when my keyboard's caret button was broken :p |
| 03:34.17 | adb | apt-file search pkg |
| 03:35.14 | martianixor | guys in case anyone got my question, It wasn't supposed to be asked here? |
| 03:35.17 | Samus_Aran | adb: apt-file search bash, shows me inkscape |
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| 03:35.52 | Samus_Aran | martianixor: you are not making a lot of sense |
| 03:35.54 | martianixor | shall I post again? thanks in advance |
| 03:35.55 | adb | Samus_Aran: want trolling |
| 03:36.00 | adb | ? |
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| 03:36.47 | martianixor | Samus_Aran: when you apply bg to a process sometimes it keep spitting out output to the shell even though it's in the background |
| 03:37.36 | Samus_Aran | adb: hm ? I want to list the files that are part of the bash package, such as /bin/bash and /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz, but I am not sure how to do this. I have tried several apt-file commands, but they are not producing this sort of output |
| 03:37.37 | martianixor | Samus_Aran: is there a specific way bg should be called or applied to the process that does that? |
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| 03:37.59 | Samus_Aran | martianixor: is your objective to stop the output ? |
| 03:38.16 | nsadmin | Samus_Aran dpkg --help |
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| 03:38.40 | adb | Samus_Aran: http://paste.debian.net/41110/ |
| 03:40.11 | Samus_Aran | adb: I don't have output like that, but also that is not displaying a specific package, it is doing a global search, which is not my objective |
| 03:40.16 | Samus_Aran | nsadmin: will check |
| 03:40.24 | martianixor | Samus_Aran: dpkg -L pkg_name will list files contained in pkg_name |
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| 03:41.00 | nsadmin | at least in the tarball |
| 03:41.54 | nsadmin | it's possible for a package to generate other files upon install |
| 03:42.21 | nsadmin | you should still look at dpkg --help |
| 03:42.27 | martianixor | nsadmin: any ideas about how to supress output being echoed to shell even after sending process to background using bg? |
| 03:42.44 | nsadmin | redirect it? |
| 03:42.59 | Rusty1 | dplg -l apt* |
| 03:43.11 | Rusty1 | sorry |
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| 03:43.35 | pwcca | how do i unbreak openssl with apache in debian? |
| 03:43.36 | martianixor | nsadmin: I would've done it while running it, but it's already been excecuted |
| 03:43.40 | Samus_Aran | martianixor: ah, thank you very much |
| 03:43.40 | nsadmin | the output from stdout and stderr will still get to the term |
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| 03:44.10 | nsadmin | then leave it in the fg and fire up another shell term window |
| 03:44.25 | martianixor | Samus_Aran: you're welcome :-) still you really should man dpkg for more great stuff ;-) |
| 03:44.37 | nsadmin | the idea is you want to run more commands, yes? |
| 03:44.47 | Samus_Aran | martianixor: bg Ctrl+Z and fg have no effect on that apps standard input and output. you can use "disown %" and then logout, and it will continue to run hidden |
| 03:44.51 | martianixor | nsadmin: yes |
| 03:45.11 | martianixor | nsadmin: for a scenario when you forgot to use screen for instance |
| 03:45.33 | Samus_Aran | martianixor: normally if you want to supress output you would use: command >& /dev/null & |
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| 03:45.49 | martianixor | Samus_Aran: what's the difference between disown % and nohup ? |
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| 03:46.17 | martianixor | Samus_Aran: yes exactly but what if you forgot to do so? |
| 03:46.21 | DanDare | Hello. Where´s the right place to post a Debian bug ? |
| 03:46.33 | nsadmin | you know what I'm going to suggest now :P |
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| 03:46.41 | nsadmin | man nohup, man disown |
| 03:46.44 | Samus_Aran | martianixor: then you disown it (so there's no risk of it dying when you logout) and then you logout, then log back in |
| 03:46.52 | martianixor | nsadmin: haha yeah I expected that |
| 03:47.07 | nsadmin | DanDare: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:47.17 | martianixor | nsadmin: sometimes my understanding of english isn't all that great |
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| 03:47.55 | DanDare | i have a situation, dont know if it´s really a bug (it is after all). Anyway: |
| 03:47.56 | DanDare | in grub/menu.lst if i have "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet" i got and error at boot time: "error: driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting ..." and system boot but no more drivers loaded. If i have in grub: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro" so it works perfectly. |
| 03:47.58 | nsadmin | which is why sometimes there is translation :) |
| 03:48.23 | Samus_Aran | nsadmin: I'm not sure what you want me to look at in dpkg --help, I have read through that many times, as well as the man page for it. it has tons of options |
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| 03:48.54 | nsadmin | Samus_Aran that's exactly what I wanted you to see. |
| 03:48.55 | DanDare | the 'quiet' parameter is created by grub at installation time. Is this a bug ? |
| 03:49.13 | nsadmin | look through your menu.lst |
| 03:49.14 | martianixor | nsadmin: hard to find translation to my language though, I think people like me are those who're supposed to right such translations to my language |
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| 03:49.49 | nsadmin | martianixor: so are you volunteering? :) |
| 03:50.05 | DanDare | nsadmin, already did and fixed. If i remove the 'quiet' parameter everything is ok. But the 'quiet' parameter exists automatic by Gruv configuration at installation time |
| 03:50.27 | martianixor | nsadmin: It's not that easy trust me |
| 03:50.31 | nsadmin | did you look thru ALL of the menu.lst? |
| 03:50.38 | maelstrom | hi, is there a good reason why debian developer Sam Hocevar uses his web server to cause harm to people's computers via the "Last Measure" exploit ? |
| 03:50.46 | DanDare | should i post on bts ? |
| 03:50.47 | martianixor | nsadmin: but yeah I'd do it whenever I can |
| 03:50.57 | maelstrom | also why would I want to install software (i.e. debian) that he is involved with ? |
| 03:50.59 | nsadmin | martianixor: then your best bet is to learn more on how to read reference docs |
| 03:51.48 | nsadmin | maelstrom: the latter is your business and your choice |
| 03:51.58 | nsadmin | the former I have no idea about |
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| 03:52.53 | adb | DanDare: here is ok w/ quiet |
| 03:53.25 | martianixor | nsadmin: well, actually I'm not that bad I know differences between [], (), {} for example but sometimes I get confused |
| 03:53.48 | Samus_Aran | night all, off for a run. martianixor thanks again |
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| 03:54.01 | martianixor | nsadmin: confused with slight differences, especially if I don't use it much |
| 03:54.32 | DanDare | adb, here not. Strange it´s the error message i got "driver already loaded" (this happening on Lenny) |
| 03:55.10 | martianixor | nsadmin: I think It's time to start abusing dpkg regarding such things :D |
| 03:56.19 | adb | DanDare: it's a warning only , uname -r , says |
| 03:56.43 | DanDare | adb, not a warning only. After that no more drivers are loaded in boot proccess. |
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| 03:57.20 | martianixor | whois furrywolf? |
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| 03:57.59 | adb | DanDare: uname -r , says ? |
| 03:58.14 | pwcca | http://pastebin.com/m7fc88fca <--- right after fresh install of debian 5 |
| 03:58.23 | pwcca | cant get https to work |
| 03:58.29 | pwcca | anyone run into this problem? |
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| 03:59.09 | DanDare | adb, sorry im not running th Lenny box at moment just Etch. Bu installed from the last ISO 502 |
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| 03:59.50 | adb | dpkg: tell DanDare about reportbug |
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| 04:01.01 | maelstrom | so it is not a cause for alarm within the debian organization or user base that one of its developers is a prolific troll who seems to enjoy causing as much destruction to people's computers as he can ? |
| 04:01.16 | DanDare | thanks |
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| 04:04.38 | adb | DanDare: power lenny box and come here again , bet you have multi boot on it |
| 04:04.50 | DanDare | adb, ok so, will do that |
| 04:05.04 | adb | you have multi boot on it ? |
| 04:05.35 | dondelelcaro | maelstrom: not really. If you have a problem, free free not to use Debian. |
| 04:05.36 | DanDare | yes |
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| 04:05.53 | adb | DanDare: ubu ones ? |
| 04:06.08 | DanDare | adb, ubu ? |
| 04:06.16 | adb | ntu |
| 04:06.33 | maelstrom | dondelelcaro if this is the case, believe me I will find that very easy |
| 04:06.38 | DanDare | adb, sorry cant understand. Just booting Lenny on /dev/hdb now |
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| 04:07.18 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like lmos actually causes destruction to people's computers, anyway) |
| 04:07.22 | DanDare | adb, uname -r : 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 04:07.28 | adb | i means ubuntu uname -r |
| 04:07.53 | DanDare | adb, Debian Lenny here |
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| 04:08.22 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, so long as Developers behave appropriately in their interactions while representing Debian, we don't particularly care what> -- |
| 04:08.34 | dondelelcaro | they do when they aren't representing Debian. |
| 04:08.56 | DanDare | adb, etch on /dev/hda and lenny on /dev/hdb. Grub installed by lenny installation... that i deleted the 'quiet' parameter to work porperly |
| 04:09.10 | adb | DanDare: how you entered in lenny w/o disconnect irc client? |
| 04:09.27 | DanDare | adb, IRC on window$ |
| 04:09.37 | DanDare | adb, debian my 24/7 server |
| 04:11.15 | maelstrom | If I am understanding this correctly, this troll was IN CHARGE of debian for a while? |
| 04:11.30 | dondelelcaro | maelstrom: Sam was the DPL, yes. |
| 04:11.51 | DanDare | maelstrom, the guy have double life, he´s just nice with debian |
| 04:11.53 | maelstrom | okay, well yes theoretically he can bring his productive talents to debian and jerk around at home |
| 04:12.14 | maelstrom | but i'm not personally comfortable with waiting around until he decides to take advantage of all the goodwill he's accumulated here to troll some more |
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| 04:12.27 | DanDare | he can theorically killed a man until producing nice debian packages... who knows ... |
| 04:12.38 | maelstrom | so, since he continues to be involved (presumably) and that doesn't seem to be a problem with the debian community, I'll avoid debian I guess |
| 04:12.51 | dondelelcaro | maelstrom: *shrug*; that's fine. Regardless, what he does outside of Debian's work is his business, and not really on topic here. |
| 04:13.18 | maelstrom | okay, well good to know |
| 04:13.23 | dserban | is there a test anyone knows about to have the kernel swap out to the swap partition? |
| 04:13.45 | dserban | I've googled, but it seems to be too broad of a request :) |
| 04:13.50 | DanDare | ok, returning to old good Etch :) |
| 04:14.05 | dondelelcaro | dserban: use lots of memory |
| 04:14.23 | dserban | haha :) how? |
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| 04:15.01 | DanDare | dserban, just delete swap line on fstab will not work ? |
| 04:15.41 | dserban | problem is... I've got 16gb of ram, I've tried using stress, but it seems that when memory gets full, the system hard locks.... looks like right at the top of the limit that it does it |
| 04:16.10 | dserban | I've never seen a single byte written to it and I just want to stress the system to ensure it'll handle super large memory requirements. |
| 04:16.28 | dserban | DanDare, well if I delete the swap entry, I can't test writing to it then... |
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| 04:17.38 | DanDare | dserban, sorry i just have not enought skills to even understand your question... nevermind |
| 04:18.01 | NiLon | I would like to know how much my program is using cpu as somekind "relative" value, any ideas? |
| 04:18.12 | DanDare | NiLon, using top ? |
| 04:18.16 | dserban | DanDare, no problem, trust me, I'm no expert either and I've been using linux since 1996 |
| 04:18.25 | nsadmin | relative to what? |
| 04:19.02 | NiLon | DanDare it's showing cpu use as percent so it will vary on better cpu so it won't tell me much |
| 04:19.24 | NiLon | basically I need value that would be about same on different cpu's |
| 04:19.49 | dondelelcaro | NiLon: you can sort of guess based on bogomips, but the general method is to time within your program |
| 04:20.18 | DanDare | Nilon, you can use top and compare to CPU speed, creating so a type of constant parameter... dont know anything out of the box that actually does it |
| 04:21.10 | DanDare | *CPU time or bogomips as the constant* |
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| 04:23.42 | adb | dserban: stressed .. how ? |
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| 04:25.02 | dserban | adb, using the package stress, stress -m 50 -i 12 -h 12 -c 12 ... fills up but swap never registers |
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| 04:26.41 | adb | dserban: stress whit http://www.netlib.org/benchmark/hpl/ ... |
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| 04:28.56 | zerdorf | is there any known issue with squeeze mysql-server-5.0? |
| 04:29.00 | dserban | adb, hmm i"ve never seen that |
| 04:29.25 | zerdorf | it fails to install, returns error on post install script, returns error on /usr/sbin/msyqld: unknown option '--skip-federated' |
| 04:29.35 | zerdorf | this is on a fresh install |
| 04:29.40 | zerdorf | not an upgrade |
| 04:29.43 | zerdorf | it simply will not instlal |
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| 04:31.31 | Hanibal | ok guys |
| 04:31.34 | Hanibal | i have lenny |
| 04:31.43 | Hanibal | and its not detecting my drives |
| 04:31.43 | Hanibal | help |
| 04:31.59 | ajavid | Hanibal, hm... get a newer kernel |
| 04:32.01 | ajavid | !kmuto |
| 04:32.02 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 04:32.12 | Hanibal | mmm |
| 04:32.16 | ajavid | Hanibal, whats your disk controller chipset> |
| 04:32.31 | Hanibal | its a.. tekram DC soemthing |
| 04:32.32 | Hanibal | hangon |
| 04:32.42 | ajavid | never heard of it |
| 04:32.52 | Hanibal | Tekram DC-390 |
| 04:32.54 | ajavid | try installing with the kmuto image |
| 04:32.58 | Hanibal | yeah |
| 04:32.58 | Hanibal | ok |
| 04:33.07 | ajavid | Hanibal, also, if you can boot a linux disk or live cd |
| 04:33.17 | ajavid | Hanibal, get the output of lspci -n and put that into !hcl |
| 04:33.19 | ajavid | !hcl |
| 04:33.19 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 04:33.27 | Hanibal | mm |
| 04:33.28 | ajavid | it shoudl tell you which kernel and which driver module |
| 04:33.50 | rozie | Hanibal: check knoppix. maybe you need noacpi or similar options |
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| 04:34.19 | Hanibal | mm it is a scsi controller |
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| 04:36.14 | Hanibal | mm |
| 04:36.21 | Hanibal | well i did a lspci |
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| 04:37.16 | ajavid | The Linux DC390 PCI SCSI driver was originally written by a Tekram engineer to support the Tekram DC390(T) PCI Fast SCSI host adpator. It was enhanced by me and now supports any AM53C974 / AM79C974 based adaptor, such as DawiControl2974, Qlogic Fast! PCI Basic and some onboard PCscsi/PCnet(R) solutions. |
| 04:37.22 | ajavid | http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/dc390/ |
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| 04:37.49 | Hanibal | 01:02.0 SCSI storage controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 53c974 [PCscsi] (rev 10) |
| 04:37.59 | ajavid | so this has been in there for some time |
| 04:38.02 | adb | Hanibal: fixed BIOS and all as enouf said all last 10 hours |
| 04:38.05 | adb | ? |
| 04:38.25 | ajavid | you shouldn't need any new kernels |
| 04:38.31 | Hanibal | mmm |
| 04:39.16 | Hanibal | sorry, kernel sees drives as /dev/sda -> /dev/sdd |
| 04:39.34 | fogus | can someone please tell me what to read to find out how to encrypt a 12 disk MD RAID (possibly with LVM, I really have no clue how to do this). I don't understand at what layer the encrytion gets added. |
| 04:39.34 | Hanibal | and there is also a /dev/sda1 -> /dev/sdd1 |
| 04:39.43 | ajavid | those are partitions |
| 04:40.12 | ajavid | !md |
| 04:40.12 | dpkg | md is probably the Multiple Device driver (aka Linux Software RAID). See md(4) and ask me about <software raid>. |
| 04:40.21 | ajavid | !sw raid |
| 04:40.21 | dpkg | raid: you stats whore! |
| 04:40.28 | ajavid | wtf |
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| 04:40.31 | ajavid | stupid bot |
| 04:40.36 | ajavid | im sleepy |
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| 04:41.16 | Hanibal | ok |
| 04:41.32 | Hanibal | what do i do? |
| 04:41.49 | adb | Hanibal: enouf said you |
| 04:41.50 | Hanibal | i have the /dev/sda -> sdd |
| 04:41.53 | Hanibal | fix bios? |
| 04:42.05 | Hanibal | ok |
| 04:42.10 | Hanibal | i'll try it again |
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| 04:43.36 | sander_ | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466598 <-- I got this bug at my debian lenny box.. anyone know how I could fix it.. Maybe I should upgrade my distro? |
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| 04:46.16 | adb | sander_: find it on BTS , maybe |
| 04:46.51 | sander_ | adb, BTS? |
| 04:47.17 | sander_ | !bts |
| 04:47.17 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 04:47.33 | Gratz474 | what is a good packet sniffer? |
| 04:48.21 | sander_ | Gratz474, a good grafical packet sniffer is ethereal |
| 04:48.32 | Gratz474 | console |
| 04:48.57 | Gratz474 | ? |
| 04:49.01 | Gratz474 | is that console? |
| 04:49.06 | fogus | dpkg: how do I "See md(4)" ? |
| 04:49.07 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, fogus |
| 04:49.21 | fogus | no kidding |
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| 04:49.59 | adb | fogus: dpkg is a bot |
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| 04:50.07 | fogus | adb: yeah. true. |
| 04:50.25 | fogus | adb: do you know how to "See md(4) "? |
| 04:50.36 | adb | i'm a bot too |
| 04:50.40 | pl4yer0ne | sander_, ethereal is called wireshark now |
| 04:50.55 | sander_ | Gratz474, try sniffit or dsniff |
| 04:51.00 | sander_ | pl4yer0ne, ok |
| 04:51.02 | fogus | adb: well, that's ok. can you answer the question? |
| 04:51.27 | adb | never used mdadm |
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| 04:52.05 | fogus | well, I often get these things saying "see <something>(3)" |
| 04:52.09 | pl4yer0ne | fogus, usually when you see somethign like that md(4) it means see the man page for that command |
| 04:52.25 | fogus | pl4yer0ne: I see |
| 04:52.36 | pl4yer0ne | that number in brackets specifies the section |
| 04:52.43 | sander_ | Can anyone help me find this bug on bts?: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466598 |
| 04:52.47 | pl4yer0ne | so for that one you would type "man 4 md" |
| 04:53.13 | adb | sander_: that's ok , ask redhat |
| 04:54.04 | fogus | pl4yer0ne: crazy. it works! |
| 04:54.39 | sander_ | adb, I doubt the debian guys knows which debian package to upgrade |
| 04:54.48 | sander_ | ops.. the redhat guys |
| 04:55.13 | adb | don't be so silly |
| 04:55.30 | pl4yer0ne | fogus, often you dont need to specify the section so just man <command> but sometimes there are different man pages in for using the command as a daemon or client. |
| 04:55.55 | fogus | pl4yer0ne: good to know. thanks very much |
| 04:55.59 | pl4yer0ne | man man for the man on mna =) |
| 04:56.11 | pl4yer0ne | man on man even |
| 04:56.31 | simonrvn | man on man action? :P |
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| 04:57.37 | pl4yer0ne | that kind of man on man action is offtopic =D |
| 04:58.03 | sander_ | adb, do you know which debian package the bug conserns? |
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| 04:58.28 | adb | sander_: it's your issue , not mine |
| 04:59.54 | adb | sander_: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 05:05.55 | Gratz474 | i am trying to packet sniff my own connection and its ssh |
| 05:05.57 | Gratz474 | any way to do that? |
| 05:06.11 | pl4yer0ne | Gratz474, wireshark |
| 05:06.20 | Gratz474 | i am using tshark now |
| 05:06.23 | Gratz474 | the console version |
| 05:06.25 | Gratz474 | does it allow that? |
| 05:06.31 | pl4yer0ne | allow what? |
| 05:06.54 | pl4yer0ne | you cant see inside your ssh session |
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| 05:07.00 | pl4yer0ne | because its encrypted |
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| 05:07.29 | Gratz474 | i am copying files over |
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| 05:07.40 | Gratz474 | and i am trying to see whats taking so long |
| 05:08.14 | pl4yer0ne | is wireless involved anywhere? |
| 05:08.15 | Gratz474 | jpacket sniffed but its ssh and encrypted |
| 05:08.17 | Gratz474 | no |
| 05:08.26 | Gratz474 | iits server |
| 05:08.35 | Gratz474 | you ever use sshfs? |
| 05:08.43 | pl4yer0ne | yeah well you want your ssh session to be encrypted dont you. |
| 05:08.48 | pl4yer0ne | no |
| 05:08.50 | Gratz474 | of course |
| 05:09.00 | Gratz474 | sshfs mounts a remove filesystem over sftp |
| 05:09.14 | Gratz474 | then i went to that dir and cp that dir to my new local location |
| 05:09.22 | Gratz474 | i would like to see whats taking so long |
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| 05:11.06 | pl4yer0ne | sniffing unencrypted packets isnt going to tell you anything you cant see already |
| 05:11.25 | Gratz474 | why not ? |
| 05:11.43 | Gratz474 | i could see whats being transsferred like how close it is to being done |
| 05:11.46 | pl4yer0ne | well what do you think you would see? |
| 05:11.59 | Gratz474 | fragments of a file |
| 05:12.01 | pl4yer0ne | ? |
| 05:12.09 | Gratz474 | see wheere that fragment came from |
| 05:12.13 | Gratz474 | ok tis almost done |
| 05:12.18 | Gratz474 | like that |
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| 05:13.42 | Gratz474 | i should have ran it in verbose mode |
| 05:13.47 | Gratz474 | but i will know next time |
| 05:14.06 | pl4yer0ne | you could try using ftp or soemthing and see if it amkes any difference |
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| 05:14.20 | Gratz474 | i am 4 gigs into it man ;) |
| 05:14.31 | sander_ | Where can In find a debian xorg maintainer? |
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| 05:15.01 | pl4yer0ne | I mean like next time or for trouble shooting |
| 05:15.14 | Gratz474 | you think if i cancel i can do rsync ? |
| 05:15.18 | Gratz474 | maybe that would be better? |
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| 05:15.42 | pl4yer0ne | couldnt say dude, I dont know what your doing |
| 05:15.47 | mischief | ugh, why does removing gnome have to murder my system |
| 05:17.40 | Gratz474 | taking a large dir i thoguht was 3.5 gb's and putting it on another server pl4yer0ne |
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| 05:18.36 | pl4yer0ne | Yeah what I was saying before is if your sniffing the traffic you should see resends and stuff if soemthign is dropping loads of packets |
| 05:19.04 | Gratz474 | its transferring i just want to see what it is |
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| 05:19.14 | Gratz474 | cause i didnt use verbose mode in sshfs so i can't see |
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| 05:19.51 | Gratz474 | pl4yer0ne, i just need to see what data is coming in |
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| 05:21.04 | pl4yer0ne | I think your going about it arse backwards |
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| 05:23.36 | pl4yer0ne | But basically its going to boil down to: Something is dropping packets, or the encryption is causing probs |
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| 05:40.24 | OldMonk_ | where can i ind rpmstrap? |
| 05:40.28 | OldMonk_ | s/ind/find/ |
| 05:40.37 | gasull | What is the niceness of a command run without nice? 0 or 10? |
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| 05:41.28 | Skapare | what command to rebuild the entire dpkg database from scratch? |
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| 05:44.12 | OldMonk_ | alternatively, what's the method to install a centos xen guest on a debian testing host? |
| 05:44.17 | \amethyst | gasull: 0 typically... run nice without any arguments to see the nice value for the current process (technically, for the program 'nice' when launched from the current process) |
| 05:45.02 | gasull | \amethyst: thank you |
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| 05:46.16 | \amethyst | gasull: the '(default 10)' in the manpage means that nice program without -n uses niceness <current>+10 |
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| 05:47.14 | gasull | \amethyst: Thanks again. That was exactly my doubt :-) |
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| 05:49.44 | dserban_ | what service needs to restart for usb drive to auto mount? |
| 05:49.47 | dserban_ | hal dbus? |
| 05:50.05 | dserban_ | i have to pmount everything... gets tired when you have 30+ drives |
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| 05:50.30 | adb | !automount |
| 05:50.31 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 05:53.01 | adb | dserban: /msg dpkg usb mount |
| 05:53.47 | dserban_ | hmm well it _worked_ it doesn't now, so I was wondering what I needed to restart |
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| 05:54.15 | dserban_ | seeing that I'm doing a very large transfer right now (80gb) I can't log out/back in to see if that'll fix it |
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| 05:56.27 | adb | but may try to plug a usb .. |
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| 05:56.52 | adb | gone .. |
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| 05:58.58 | Skapare | what does it mean when a package name has "+lenny1" appended to it, as opposed to one that does not? |
| 06:00.02 | adb | Skapare: seens a random question for you |
| 06:00.10 | adb | why ? |
| 06:00.12 | Skapare | eh? |
| 06:00.15 | Skapare | why what? |
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| 06:00.32 | adb | ask same question and again |
| 06:00.45 | Skapare | first time for that one |
| 06:00.53 | adb | question again and again |
| 06:00.59 | Skapare | the others I can't get any answers for |
| 06:01.22 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: because it's a lenny-specific package update |
| 06:01.26 | OldMonk | to answer my own question, rpmstrap functionality seems to have been subsumed into rinse |
| 06:01.39 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: see the changelog if you really want to know. |
| 06:01.43 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 06:01.59 | dserban_ | no i'm still here |
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| 06:03.00 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to figure out why aptitute thinks it needs to install some packages that make no sense, including replacing my kernel with a xen kernel |
| 06:04.02 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: dpkg/apt is hosed and I can't find anyone that understands this stuff |
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| 06:04.58 | tpocra | Why is it good to set the BIOS clock to UTC? |
| 06:06.20 | Skapare | adb: so why did you think I asked that question many times when that one was asked only once? |
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| 06:10.07 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so you need to actually ask us your real question instead of questions unrelated to it. |
| 06:10.46 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: give us information on what you're trying to do, the output of aptitude, and the commands that you used to run it, along with the apt-cache policy; output for the packages involve. |
| 06:11.58 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: the side questions were little things that confused me as I was investigating things on my own ... I figured maybe someone knew that little bit if they didn't know enough to address the larger issue |
| 06:12.36 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: the rundown on the problem with some command outputs is posted at ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/transparently-corrupt-aptdpkg-db-737656/ |
| 06:12.39 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: yeah, but they just waste the time of people who do know. |
| 06:14.06 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: the quick summary is aptitute decided to try to install a bunch of packages, claiming dependency, that don't make sense for dependencies ... as if something is corrupt ... one answer in the post confirmed its goofed up |
| 06:14.21 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: no, nothing is corrupt. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 06:14.34 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: I am trying to undo the mess |
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| 06:15.02 | streuner | Skapare: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 06:15.12 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: for whatever reason, you've asked for a whole slew of packages to be installed and partially installed them. |
| 06:15.23 | Skapare | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:16.05 | Skapare | I didn't personally ask for a whole slew of them ... I did try to install proftpd-basic |
| 06:16.17 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so you can do something like the following: aptitude remove '~b'; |
| 06:16.26 | Skapare | maybe _something_ asked for them ... but I guess I have to undo that somehow |
| 06:17.04 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: which will remove all of the broken packages. Using the curses frontend will make that easier to step through the process of arriving at a solution, but if you aren't familiar with it, using the command line is good enough. |
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| 06:17.46 | Pucka | Where can I get static binaries |
| 06:17.49 | Pucka | for debian |
| 06:17.54 | Skapare | I have generally used the ncurses interactive mode of aptitude, although I am not really that familiar with either |
| 06:18.06 | Skapare | I will try the command |
| 06:18.08 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: well, then you can limit the tree to ~b, and remove those packages. |
| 06:18.20 | dondelelcaro | Pucka: we only distribute static binaries of some packages |
| 06:18.28 | dondelelcaro | Pucka: in general, you don't really want them. |
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| 06:19.07 | Skapare | got many lines of output but these 2 lines seem to indicate it did nothing: |
| 06:19.09 | Skapare | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 06:19.11 | Skapare | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 06:19.31 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: give us the whole output |
| 06:20.04 | sander_ | Now i've finally reported a bug to bts.. Anyone know how quickly I will get a response? |
| 06:20.25 | streuner | sander_: have some patient |
| 06:20.36 | sander_ | Bug#535925 |
| 06:20.39 | dondelelcaro | sander_: you'll get an ack within 3 minutes; the maintainer will take longer to respond. |
| 06:20.45 | streuner | !dbugs 535925 |
| 06:20.49 | dpkg | #535925:I[xserver-xorg-video-ati] xserver-xorg-video-ati: XRandR dualscreen doesn't work with kernel modesetting (); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:09:05 UTC [] |
| 06:20.56 | Skapare | here is the whole output ... http://slashusr.net/debian/20090706-021824-014071.log |
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| 06:22.38 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so you don't have any broken packages. If you're trying to remove proftp-basic or whatever, go ahead and do that. |
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| 06:23.14 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: when I try to remove that package, that's when it tries to install a bunch of others I don't want |
| 06:23.46 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: the reason I'm trying to undo the mess is so I can remove proftpd-* |
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| 06:24.14 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so give the full output of aptitude remove proftpd-basic; or whatever else you're trying to remove. Run aptitude update; first, of course. |
| 06:24.17 | Skapare | is there a command to show what installs are pending, and all the dependencies of them? |
| 06:24.31 | Skapare | ok |
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| 06:25.00 | Skapare | aptitude update ... looks normal to me |
| 06:25.01 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: there isn't such a thing outside of aptitude. In the case of aptitude, just run aptitude keep-all; |
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| 06:26.37 | Skapare | it didn't remove it ... http://slashusr.net/debian/20090706-022512-014197.log |
| 06:28.07 | Skapare | hmmm ... nothing for aptitude keep-all, either |
| 06:28.17 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: what does dpkg -l proftpd-basic; output? |
| 06:28.36 | Skapare | No packages found matching proftpd-basic. |
| 06:28.39 | Pucka | Are the binaries in dpkgs static or dynamic? |
| 06:28.48 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so then you've removed it. |
| 06:28.52 | dondelelcaro | Pucka: which binaries? |
| 06:28.58 | Pucka | nmap binaries |
| 06:29.04 | Pucka | anyone here using ppc linux |
| 06:29.12 | dondelelcaro | Pucka: they're dynamic, of course, and yes, people here are. |
| 06:29.29 | Pucka | Could someone please compile a static version of something for me? |
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| 06:29.35 | Skapare | let me try removing proftpd-doc too |
| 06:29.37 | Pucka | someone in ppc linuc |
| 06:29.51 | Pucka | What type of computer are they using? |
| 06:29.53 | dondelelcaro | Pucka: there's no point in one. Use the dynamic version. |
| 06:29.56 | Pucka | I can't get the dang thing to run |
| 06:30.18 | Skapare | maybe proftpd-doc is what is messing things up ... it's still there and it won't remove it |
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| 06:30.39 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so run aptitude remove proftpd-doc; |
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| 06:31.26 | Skapare | I did ... 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:31.32 | Skapare | but the files are still there |
| 06:31.53 | Skapare | that's the thing ... it doesn't have the correct state of what is or is not installed |
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| 06:32.11 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: so then install it and remove it. |
| 06:32.20 | Pucka | could I at least have some libraries plz |
| 06:32.24 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: since you replaced /var/lib/dpkg/status, who knows what you've broken. |
| 06:32.30 | Kataki | Skapare: try apt-get install --reinstall then try removeing the package again. |
| 06:32.45 | Pucka | WHY CAN'T I RUN THE ELITE VERSION OF NMAP |
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| 06:32.53 | Kataki | whoa |
| 06:32.54 | enouf | elite? |
| 06:32.59 | enouf | CAPS? |
| 06:33.30 | Kataki | dondelelcaro: That was some fast Op action there ;) |
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| 06:33.59 | Skapare | OK, that seems to have gotten rid of proftpd-doc |
| 06:34.25 | dondelelcaro | and in the future, don't mess with /var/lib/dpkg/* unless you know precisely what you're doing. |
| 06:34.38 | Kataki | Skapare: If you have removed /var/lib/dpkg/status then you'll probably find most of your packages have an incorrect status. |
| 06:35.08 | Kataki | Skapare: Therefor any time you have sucha problem you'll have to reinstall the package. |
| 06:35.44 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i have a somewhat silly question, is it because not all pkg maintainers use SVN, that not all Debian pkgs are listed say here? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/ .. or another reason? or am i just incorrect? |
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| 06:36.07 | Skapare | Kataki: I didn't remove anything ... I'm waiting for someone to tell me what I need to remove or change or rebuild |
| 06:36.39 | Hanibal | ok i've medded with just about every bios setting can imagine |
| 06:36.45 | Hanibal | and still no dice |
| 06:36.46 | Kataki | Skapare: Ah, someone wrote "since you replaced /var/lib/dpkg/status" ... |
| 06:36.51 | Hanibal | i see the devices for my drives |
| 06:36.59 | Hanibal | my the controller isn't recongised |
| 06:37.03 | dondelelcaro | enouf: not all maintainers use subversion, not all use svn.debian.org for their repositories, etc. |
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| 06:38.10 | Skapare | Kataki: ah ... maybe as a result of doing some command? |
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| 06:39.21 | Skapare | Kataki: Q: if there are packages pending because they were previously selected (aptitude interactively) or are unresolved dependencies ... if I do "aptitude install <somepackage>" ... will it also try to install those others right then? |
| 06:39.35 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: sure. |
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| 06:40.01 | dondelelcaro | "I replaced all the files in /var/lib/dpkg back to their original state before the package mess happened. " (is what you said in the linuxquestions bit) |
| 06:40.01 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: OK ... well then it seems they are gone now ... maybe that "keep-all" was the fix |
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| 06:40.41 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: that was a backup restore ... and it didn't work |
| 06:41.09 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: I did not edit anything |
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| 06:42.02 | Hanibal | oh enouf is back, hey man.. |
| 06:42.19 | Hanibal | enouf, i've screwed with my bios settings, no dice |
| 06:42.26 | Kataki | Skapare: AT the time you restored /var/lib/dpkg* , were the packages currently on that installation reflected in the backed-up files you restored? |
| 06:43.12 | Kataki | Skapare: In other words, did you have any changed made to packages - newer versions etc - made to that installation after you initially backed up /var/lib/dpkg* ? |
| 06:43.23 | Kataki | s/changed/changes/ |
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| 06:43.42 | Skapare | Kataki: as far as I know ... the backup restore was from before trying to install proftpd, so if any inconsistencies, it should have been only the proftpd* packages |
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| 06:44.21 | Skapare | Kataki: I realize that could have left me in a state of dpkg thinks no proftpd, but the packages are there |
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| 06:44.46 | Skapare | Kataki: but in fact there were 105 pending installs as well, and the restore did not fix that |
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| 06:46.34 | Skapare | a few days earlier I did several installs of security updates ... lots of them changed packages to "+lenny1" versions (why I asked about that earlier ... not knowing if it might be related) |
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| 06:46.50 | Kataki | I think restoring an older version of /var/lib/dpkg* would seriously mung what apt thinks you have installed on an installation anyway. Hence your current problems now. |
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| 06:47.01 | Skapare | I was not rulling out that the 105 pending installs didn't actually show up earlier and I just didn't see them |
| 06:47.50 | Skapare | Kataki: right now, those 105 pending installs are not pending anymore |
| 06:48.11 | Skapare | Kataki: I think "aptitude keep-all" fixed that issue |
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| 06:49.26 | enouf | Hanibal: ahh .. hrm |
| 06:49.30 | Skapare | Kataki: if the dpkg database gets corrupted or damaged or otherwise unfixable, isn't restoring from a backup the last good set of files an appropriate fix? |
| 06:49.37 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thank you - thought so |
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| 06:50.31 | Hanibal | !hcl 01:02.0 0100: 1022:2020 (rev 10) |
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| 06:50.46 | Supaplex | !pciid [1022:2020] |
| 06:50.47 | dpkg | grep -i `echo 1022:2020 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 06:50.59 | Supaplex | tmscsim |
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| 06:51.08 | Hanibal | :s |
| 06:51.16 | Hanibal | it uses that |
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| 06:51.20 | Hanibal | hum |
| 06:51.26 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i like to use that site for various reasons .. oh wait., i know, the buildd things can show which options to a ./configure were used via source when compiling the source for pkg for the .deb -- IIRC, there's a link even directly from the dev pages, or even the pkgs pages |
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| 06:52.36 | enouf | Hanibal: ugh .. did you see all that i wrote about that? /lastlog enouf (and do it over on OFTC.net #debian IIRC) |
| 06:52.59 | Hanibal | ok |
| 06:53.01 | Hanibal | soz |
| 06:53.37 | Hanibal | mind you i've also gotten the lenny installer |
| 06:53.43 | Skapare | new general question ... can someone recommend a safe secure FTP server to run on lenny ... besides proftpd |
| 06:54.07 | enouf | Hanibal: ok - good |
| 06:54.37 | pl4yer0ne | Skapare, SSH/SFTP |
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| 06:55.28 | enouf | Hanibal: now, read the relevant .txt files here; ChangeLog.ncr53c8xx 22785 2008-01-24 13:58:53 -0800 ChangeLog.sym53c8xx 29463 2008-07-13 14:51:38 -0700 ChangeLog.sym53c8xx_2 6011 2008-07-13 14:51:38 -0700 ncr53c8xx.txt and sym53c500_cs.txt and sym53c8xx_2.txt (search for tekram and/or 390) |
| 06:55.49 | Hanibal | all right |
| 06:55.52 | Hanibal | thanks |
| 06:56.24 | enouf | Hanibal: don't forget the F1-F10 keys within the installer ;-) |
| 06:56.26 | Skapare | pl4yer0ne: I mean for making files public ... not for files restricted to shell users |
| 06:56.34 | Hanibal | mhm :) |
| 06:58.46 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: if you just need to make files available, use a web server |
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| 06:59.09 | enouf | Hanibal: note for ex; i don't even find some of the CONFIG_.... options mentioned in http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/scsi/ncr53c8xx.txt even in the Debian kernels at _all_ (not even like they're "#CONFIG_BLAH is not set" .. just not there) |
| 06:59.40 | Hanibal | humm |
| 06:59.45 | enouf | Hanibal: btw- which card do you have? Tekram DC390W/U/F cards ? the w, u , or f ? |
| 07:00.03 | Hanibal | its a DC 390 (T) |
| 07:00.07 | enouf | ... |
| 07:00.16 | Hanibal | thats what the bios says |
| 07:00.16 | enouf | runs |
| 07:00.21 | Hanibal | oh noes |
| 07:00.28 | enouf | read the chip! .. or the FCCID! ;-) |
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| 07:00.53 | Hanibal | lol |
| 07:01.07 | enouf | Hanibal: perhaps it is a T .. and the docs i mentioned are just not apropos .. who knows |
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| 07:01.17 | Hanibal | mmm |
| 07:01.37 | Hanibal | well again the problem is not that the drives arent showing |
| 07:01.43 | Hanibal | is that installer doesn't pick them up |
| 07:01.51 | enouf | Hanibal: i never said the drives aren't showing :-P |
| 07:01.55 | Hanibal | mmm |
| 07:01.56 | Hanibal | lol |
| 07:02.07 | Hanibal | the driver works |
| 07:02.12 | enouf | Hanibal: that's a positive anyway :-P |
| 07:02.23 | Hanibal | mm good point |
| 07:02.45 | Hanibal | enouf: i have the propper /dev/sd* for the drives |
| 07:04.21 | Hanibal | sda sda1 sdb sdb1 sdc sdc1 sdb and sdb1 |
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| 07:05.14 | Supaplex | cat /proc/partitions (not here - use paste) |
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| 07:05.52 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: well, thanks for the help on dpkg/apt ... I believe the keep-all was what did it |
| 07:05.58 | Hanibal | Supaplex, was that for me? |
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| 07:06.44 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: I'll see if I can talk the users into using http for ftp (would be easier on me anyway) |
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| 07:10.29 | kanon-mat | i compiled the nvidia driver for 2.6.30.1 , now X wont start. I commented out the modules "type1" and "freetype" when X could not load them |
| 07:10.46 | kanon-mat | no errors in Xorg.0.log |
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| 07:11.11 | kanon-mat | idk if any fonts are loaded at all, though |
| 07:12.11 | kanon-mat | i followed: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10812 |
| 07:12.16 | Hanibal | enouf, Supaplex, http://pastebin.com/m20193745 |
| 07:12.34 | Hanibal | my /proc/partitions |
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| 07:29.56 | Supaplex | sticks the WasteProducts in the WasteBasket, and calls it a night. |
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| 07:30.44 | Gratz474 | is it bad to have a dns and a web server on the same ip or does it not matter? |
| 07:31.51 | ethanol | We do it on our local server. I don't think so? |
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| 07:32.35 | Gratz474 | is it bad practice? |
| 07:32.41 | Gratz474 | will it conflict at all? |
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| 07:33.19 | ethanol | Doubt it. Don't see why it would? |
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| 07:34.01 | Gratz474 | anyone else want to comment on this??? |
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| 07:35.17 | JJOliver | Gratz474: whell, nope. |
| 07:35.18 | Gratz474 | ok so same ip is ok ? |
| 07:35.21 | Gratz474 | just a small siite |
| 07:35.32 | JJOliver | Sure, if that IP for your sever is doing the nattin' then it can be the DNS. |
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| 07:36.06 | JJOliver | That's how mine is anywho. |
| 07:36.08 | Gratz474 | nattin? |
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| 07:36.32 | JJOliver | Networt Address Translating. |
| 07:36.33 | Gratz474 | i mean they are different ports so i guess it doenst really matter |
| 07:36.47 | Gratz474 | i am saying can i have a dns and a web server on the same ip? |
| 07:37.38 | JJOliver | _you can_ have one IP address being Webserver and DNS, but it has to be one interface (you can't have 2 interfaces with the same IP!) |
| 07:37.41 | LEBHOST | Gratz474 : yes you can run bind and apatche on the same server/ip |
| 07:38.00 | Gratz474 | ok |
| 07:38.12 | Gratz474 | does dns name have to be case sensetive? |
| 07:38.18 | Gratz474 | is lowercase the better way to go ? |
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| 07:39.12 | enouf | Hanibal: well the Major/Minor look correct ;-) |
| 07:39.27 | Hanibal | humm |
| 07:39.35 | LEBHOST | apache* |
| 07:39.51 | enouf | Hanibal: i think you need to pass the kernel options at boot time - specific to that controller, and .. ofcourse the correct module(s) |
| 07:40.17 | Hanibal | ah i see |
| 07:40.28 | enouf | Hanibal: if you got the PCIID to match as Supaplex noted, i would go that route - modinfo <modulename> |
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| 07:41.29 | hiug | !ubuntu |
| 07:41.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:41.34 | enouf | Hanibal: all depends how to pass the options, depending on if the CONFIG_xxx.xxxx= options for modules are =y or =x ... if =n or NOT SET. then nothing would work |
| 07:42.12 | Hanibal | hum, that kinda went over my head... |
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| 07:46.12 | enouf | Hanibal: tmscsim= [HW,SCSI] See comment before function dc390_setup() in drivers/scsi/tmscsim.c. |
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| 07:46.39 | enouf | Hanibal: from /Documentation/kernel-paramters.txt (which i mentioned much earlier) |
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| 07:46.58 | enouf | Hanibal: and why are we bouncing in different network channels? |
| 07:47.05 | Hanibal | haha |
| 07:47.10 | Hanibal | i have no clue |
| 07:47.15 | enouf | (back and forth - some info here, some there) |
| 07:47.21 | Hanibal | :s |
| 07:47.24 | Hanibal | i'm sorry |
| 07:47.30 | enouf | ok |
| 07:47.35 | Hanibal | there we go |
| 07:47.38 | Hanibal | prblem solved :) |
| 07:47.40 | Hanibal | ok |
| 07:47.42 | Hanibal | now.. |
| 07:47.43 | enouf | --> coffee |
| 07:47.47 | Hanibal | mmk |
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| 07:48.02 | craigevil | enouf: both acroread and evince print pdfs from my HP 4200 all-in one |
| 07:48.21 | hiug | Fedora doesn't work with my sound card https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#Sound_Blaster_Live.21_cards_.28and_other_emu10k1-based_cards.29_default_to_digital_.28S.2FPDIF.29_output https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#Sound_Blaster_Live.21_cards_.28and_other_emu10k1-based_cards.29_default_to_digital_.28S.2FPDIF.29_output |
| 07:48.29 | hiug | I'm thinking of trying debian. |
| 07:48.32 | hiug | Or gentoo. |
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| 07:48.49 | hiug | Although gentoo is a lot of effort, for no reward. |
| 07:49.39 | kanon-mat | debian is nice, but is there really a difference in what soundcards distros support? |
| 07:50.29 | craigevil | depends on whats in the kernel they use, although if it works in one it should work in another |
| 07:50.32 | hiug | For fedora, yes. |
| 07:50.33 | hiug | read above |
| 07:50.40 | hiug | they regressed since fed 10 |
| 07:50.50 | hiug | used to support sound blaster, now they stuffed it |
| 07:51.01 | hiug | ALL sound blaster cards basically. |
| 07:51.07 | kanon-mat | have you tried oss? |
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| 07:51.40 | craigevil | !sblive |
| 07:51.40 | dpkg | from memory, sblive is a soundcard with an emu10k1 chipset. modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules, or for better performance and features use the ALSA driver smd-emu10k1 instead of the OSS lite emu10k1. See also <sblivedell> |
| 07:52.22 | kanon-mat | oh :) |
| 07:52.54 | enouf | craigevil: do you open the files from within say IW/FF? or you d/l them, then print directly from xterm, using Commands, or do you open "acroread filename.pdf" from a terminal? the last two should act the same, well all three should, but |
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| 07:53.31 | enouf | Hanibal: which problem was solved? :-P |
| 07:53.38 | Hanibal | ah the bouncing thing |
| 07:53.39 | Hanibal | lol |
| 07:53.46 | enouf | ahh |
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| 07:54.05 | craigevil | none of the above local pdfs on my HD, opened them with acoread and evince, neither printed untill i installed ghostscript-cups |
| 07:54.07 | Hanibal | ok hangon |
| 07:54.19 | craigevil | now they both work |
| 07:54.27 | Supaplex | we charge double for waiting |
| 07:54.40 | Hanibal | lol ifi had monies maybe :p |
| 07:54.45 | enouf | craigevil: ah .. hrm .. let me see - it was also suggested i perhaps get cups-pdf ? |
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| 07:55.25 | craigevil | i already had cups-pdf but didnt have ghostscript-cups, before i installed that acroread and evince gave errors and wouldnt print although kpdf would |
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| 07:56.39 | enouf | craigevil: neither are installed here - but .. here we go ;-) |
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| 07:58.00 | enouf | craigevil: heh; Suggested ; system-config-printer-gnome system-config-printer-kde system-config-printer <-- no gnome, no kde here! ;-) |
| 07:58.23 | bullgard4 | Why does '~$ sudo netstat -a -n -o -p –inet –inet6 | grep ekiga > ekiga.txt' respond with "usage:"? |
| 07:58.42 | enouf | bullgard4: string the options as one |
| 07:58.54 | enouf | netstat -anop .. |
| 07:59.01 | enouf | er |
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| 07:59.17 | hiug | The Ubuntu project attempts to work with Debian to address the issues that keep many users from using Debian. Ubuntu provides a system based on Debian with frequent time-based releases, corporate accountability, and a more considered desktop interface. Ubuntu provides users with a way to deploy Debian with security fixes, release critical bug fixes, a consistent desktop interface, and to never be more than six months away from the l |
| 07:59.18 | enouf | is inet* valid? |
| 07:59.21 | hiug | Any comments? |
| 07:59.35 | enouf | should it be tcp4 and tcp6? |
| 07:59.51 | enouf | maybe the options conflict? |
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| 08:01.08 | enouf | bullgard4: it seems -inet6 is the problem |
| 08:01.16 | kanon-mat | i cannot startx, neither with nv driver or without xorg.conf |
| 08:01.40 | enouf | kanon-mat: what does it say? try nv or vesa for x |
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| 08:01.52 | Cynner | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139730844 |
| 08:02.16 | kanon-mat | I commented out the modules "type1" and "freetype" when X could not load them |
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| 08:02.30 | kanon-mat | no errors in Xorg.0.log |
| 08:03.15 | enouf | What do i need to do to _splitup_ *future* mails sent to /var/log/username which is now one big file of over 8MB :-) |
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| 08:04.27 | kanon-mat | i havent got the vesa module installed :) |
| 08:04.40 | bullgard4 | enouf: '~$ sudo netstat -a -n -o -p –inet | grep ekiga works but does not produce output. -- So I agree that -inet6 is the culprit. |
| 08:04.46 | enouf | xserver-xorg-video-vesa, IINM |
| 08:05.05 | enouf | vesa_drv.so or something it is called |
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| 08:05.34 | kanon-mat | ok, switching internet cable.... |
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| 08:07.56 | kanon-mat | "error setting MTRR (BLABLA) Invalid argument (22) |
| 08:10.01 | iTron | kanon-mat: WHen you installed the nVidia driver, did the module compile ok? Is the nvidia module loaded? |
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| 08:11.13 | iTron | kanon-mat: It would help if you gave more information - for example - "error setting MTRR (BLABLA) Invalid argument (22) - I got that when typing startx/X and configured xorg.conf to use the vesa/nvidia/whatever driver" |
| 08:11.14 | kanon-mat | there was no error msgs at compile |
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| 08:11.33 | iTron | kanon-mat: what does "lsmod | grep nvidia" output? |
| 08:11.49 | kanon-mat | yes, i used the vesa driver last time and got the MTRR |
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| 08:12.04 | Gratz474 | whats better bind or djbdns? |
| 08:12.26 | iTron | Meh. I have to go home now - laters. |
| 08:12.30 | kanon-mat | there is a nvidia module loaded |
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| 08:12.36 | kanon-mat | cu :) |
| 08:13.04 | jelly | Gratz474: if both satisfied my requirements, I'd go with djbdns |
| 08:13.34 | Gratz474 | well |
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| 08:13.47 | Gratz474 | i dont know much about dns just want to add some www records and mail records jelly |
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| 08:15.04 | kanon-mat | no MTRR error msg with nvidia driver |
| 08:15.26 | jelly | Gratz474: right, you can do that with both. |
| 08:15.36 | Gratz474 | djb it will be then |
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| 08:16.21 | hiug | Is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 08:16.29 | Gratz474 | yes |
| 08:16.31 | Gratz474 | 4x |
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| 08:16.52 | OpenTokix | 4.3x, I would say |
| 08:16.59 | Phasy13 | You can't like compare distributions just like that, IMO |
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| 08:17.00 | hiug | Pray tell. |
| 08:17.04 | simonrvn | !better |
| 08:17.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 08:17.14 | Phasy13 | simonrvn +1 |
| 08:17.14 | kanon-mat | how do i know if X loads any fonts? grep font Xorg.0.log returns only the warnings that this and that directory doesnt exist |
| 08:17.41 | Gratz474 | ubuntu is debian |
| 08:17.42 | JJOliver | I have a problem, i'd love to get some thoughts on it. My hard disk is completely full, but everytime I remove some other files to free up space (like 2gb) the 'free space' gets filled up again, something is self populating and I don't know how to find out what it is and kill / remove it. |
| 08:17.43 | Gratz474 | just bloated |
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| 08:17.52 | simonrvn | whomever wrote that factoid ++ |
| 08:18.01 | kanon-mat | no, they are different distros |
| 08:18.11 | hiug | Is debian better than fedora? |
| 08:18.13 | kanon-mat | and dont feed the trolls |
| 08:18.21 | JJOliver | !lart Gratz474 |
| 08:18.21 | dpkg | blasts Gratz474 to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 08:18.32 | JJOliver | !ubuntu |
| 08:18.33 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 08:18.43 | simonrvn | hiug: *plonk* |
| 08:18.49 | hiug | !based on debian |
| 08:18.49 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:19.28 | JJOliver | btw Gratz474 that was for you (both) |
| 08:19.44 | hiug | What are Debian's standards? |
| 08:19.51 | Phasy13 | How was I to launch an application from the terminal so that the application doesn't block it? like daemon mode |
| 08:19.58 | JJOliver | !Debian Policy |
| 08:19.58 | dpkg | well, debian policy is a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 08:20.07 | simonrvn | Phasy13: command & |
| 08:20.07 | Arrowmaster | Phasy13: app & |
| 08:20.18 | Phasy13 | thanks |
| 08:20.35 | simonrvn | man bash, look for background and fg (foreground) |
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| 08:20.43 | Gratz474 | ubuntu is ok |
| 08:20.48 | Gratz474 | i wouldnt use it for a server though |
| 08:20.54 | hiug | Is gentoo better than debain? |
| 08:21.00 | JJOliver | !better |
| 08:21.01 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 08:21.12 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 08:21.12 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 08:21.17 | Phasy13 | hiug you can't compare distributions like that |
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| 08:21.32 | hiug | I know someone who won't use debian because they think the packages are too old. |
| 08:21.34 | Supaplex | heh some war. *shrug* |
| 08:21.40 | c0m1_ | Phasy13: there is also: "command & disown". This will detach application from the terminal |
| 08:22.08 | Phasy13 | c0m1 so if I just go for "app &" and close the terminal the app will stop too? |
| 08:22.10 | Supaplex | !too old |
| 08:22.10 | dpkg | supaplex, what, it's too stable for you? |
| 08:22.12 | JJOliver | hiug: i've heard that said to. Not sure I'd agree though. |
| 08:22.22 | kanon-mat | i have a 2.6.30 kernel, thats kind of new |
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| 08:22.48 | JJOliver | I have a self population problem, that's real fresh, so fresh it fills up my HD ALL the time. |
| 08:22.52 | kanon-mat | can we not flame? can we solve my X not starting? :) |
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| 08:23.37 | JJOliver | kanon-mat: that sounds like hard work, flaming is easier. |
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| 08:24.12 | kanon-mat | Phasy13, you want screen, i guess |
| 08:24.13 | g00se | JJOliver: 'self population' sounds a lot more pleasurable ... |
| 08:24.36 | Phasy13 | kanon-mat ? actually I want to launch compiz |
| 08:24.53 | JJOliver | g00se: ewww, i made a Debian problem sound dirty. |
| 08:25.10 | kanon-mat | like compiz --replace? does that work? |
| 08:25.24 | swivel | maybe someone here can advise, I recently installed debian squeeze x86 on my x40 and now when I insert my pcmcia->cf adapter with a cf card from my digicam inserted, modprobe goes into D state as a child of udev trying to modprobe pcmcia |
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| 08:26.12 | kanon-mat | anyway, screen lets you run things in the background, even if you close the terminal |
| 08:26.25 | swivel | eventually that returns then udev launches /lib/udev-vold_id and that hanges in D state ... |
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| 08:28.59 | Gratz474 | how can i see all users that have logged int othe server? |
| 08:29.25 | Arrowmaster | w or who |
| 08:29.52 | Gratz474 | 'i would like to see everyone |
| 08:29.52 | JJOliver | any suggestions on how to track down a HD eating app? |
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| 08:30.07 | Gratz474 | the past 20 logins |
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| 08:31.03 | swivel | in case anyone wants to look into it: |
| 08:31.04 | swivel | http://pengaru.com/~swivel/squeeze_pcmcia_ide_cs_borked.txt |
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| 08:32.19 | Gratz474 | is daemontools any good? |
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| 08:32.28 | Gratz474 | why do people use that? |
| 08:32.29 | swivel | Gratz474: yes |
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| 08:33.00 | guyzmo | hi |
| 08:33.20 | guyzmo | is there a way to install sun's JRE on a server without all that !@#$ x11 dependancies ? |
| 08:33.29 | kanon-mat | JJOliver, iotop |
| 08:33.37 | Arrowmaster | Gratz474: check /var/logs, should be in a log somewhere |
| 08:33.41 | Gratz474 | what is that httpd swe for ? |
| 08:33.46 | guyzmo | I don't want to add 25 libx11 libs I won't use |
| 08:33.54 | Gratz474 | why does daemontools have a htttpd? |
| 08:33.57 | JJOliver | bash: iotop: command not found |
| 08:34.04 | kanon-mat | daemontools is for mounting an iso image in windows |
| 08:34.10 | kanon-mat | :) |
| 08:34.25 | kanon-mat | install it JJOliver :) |
| 08:34.25 | JJOliver | Gratz474: Can I suggest that you ask a question that is bothering you, and perhaps stop using this channel as a 'linux tutorial' |
| 08:34.56 | Gratz474 | JJOliver, just asking what the httpd in daemontools does |
| 08:35.00 | JJOliver | kanon-mat: How am i supposed to install an app with 0bytes free on this computer. |
| 08:35.13 | kanon-mat | hmm, didnt know |
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| 08:35.57 | JJOliver | kanon-mat: the problem is that I have something on this computer that is taking ALL the free space on the HD. |
| 08:36.00 | kanon-mat | i guess you can clean stuff up in /var/cache |
| 08:36.06 | kanon-mat | ah |
| 08:36.24 | mgolisch | du ftw |
| 08:36.26 | mgolisch | :) |
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| 08:36.29 | kanon-mat | so you want to search for a large file |
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| 08:37.20 | kanon-mat | there was a "filesize view" option i n konqueror.... |
| 08:37.48 | JJOliver | There is only 500mb in my /var/cache. |
| 08:38.14 | kanon-mat | strigi once used up 21 gb in my ~/ |
| 08:39.00 | Arrowmaster | what about /var/log? could something thats running be freaking out and spewing errors? |
| 08:39.54 | nsadmin | JJOliver: do you have separate partitions on /var, /home, /tmp and /usr? |
| 08:40.17 | JJOliver | nsadmin: no all one partition (apart from /srv/www which is a 500GB drive) |
| 08:40.27 | JJOliver | but that drive is unaffected |
| 08:40.36 | g00se | guyzmo: It's probably the awt classes pulling in X deps and there's no way to have awt out of the JRE |
| 08:40.53 | nsadmin | is this a server? |
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| 08:41.40 | g00se | swivel: You auto-mounting that then? |
| 08:41.54 | nsadmin | JJOliver is this a server? |
| 08:42.01 | JJOliver | nsadmin: it's a local intranet webserver yeh |
| 08:42.04 | JJOliver | for about 50 users |
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| 08:42.39 | JJOliver | I was trying to set up a LDAP, but I don't really know what I'm doing with LDAP so may have screwed something up there. |
| 08:42.45 | nsadmin | I strongly recommend you repartition... one thing you need to prevent is / from filling |
| 08:42.56 | JJOliver | /var/log/ is only 3mb so that's not the problem. |
| 08:43.19 | JJOliver | nsadmin: it seems to be coping rite now, with a 0byte free state. |
| 08:43.26 | JJOliver | can't say how my IRC logs will be coping though! |
| 08:43.54 | nsadmin | obviously they won't, if not right now, then shortly |
| 08:44.04 | Gratz474 | ok i have a httpd running how can i investigate what exactly this is ? |
| 08:44.28 | g00se | iotop of course is a separate package |
| 08:44.39 | JJOliver | !lark Gratz474 |
| 08:44.44 | Gratz474 | what man? |
| 08:44.50 | JJOliver | s/k/t |
| 08:44.51 | Gratz474 | i can't find anything on this |
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| 08:45.27 | hiug | !lart Gratz474 |
| 08:45.27 | dpkg | keeps mailing Gratz474 free America Online CDs until he drowns |
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| 08:45.47 | JJOliver | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Httpd |
| 08:46.03 | hiug | Is Ubuntu stable? |
| 08:46.10 | JJOliver | !stable |
| 08:46.10 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 08:46.18 | nsadmin | but my recommendation is for servers of most kinds running linux... you generally need to protect /, so it's good to have /home, /tmp and /var on separate vols. if you want to install stuff, then /usr should also be separate (but note, some packages affect /lib, /bin and /sbin which all should be on the / volume) |
| 08:46.28 | kanon-mat | go to #ubuntu and find out, hiug |
| 08:46.41 | nsadmin | or better, just install it |
| 08:46.57 | nsadmin | run it for 6 months... |
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| 08:47.02 | JJOliver | nsadmin: I totally agree. Only this is the test to see what I can / can't do under lenny. Before I move to a raid disk |
| 08:47.05 | nsadmin | then you tell us (or better, them) |
| 08:47.06 | JJOliver | array |
| 08:47.30 | faber4 | hi everybody - whats the fastest http server in debian for serving static files ( images ). i need virtual host support but thats it. |
| 08:47.34 | nsadmin | you should at least consider lvm |
| 08:47.36 | hiug | !openbsd |
| 08:47.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, openbsd is a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. Two remote holes in the default install in over 10 years. |
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| 08:48.07 | JJOliver | nsadmin: I will have a 4 disk raid array with LVM |
| 08:48.26 | JJOliver | Once I can get it to work and show the bosses that it's doable. |
| 08:48.28 | nsadmin | well lenny is linux... and so you should be able to do anything you could do on a linus |
| 08:48.31 | Gratz474 | how can i find out info about a user created on this system? |
| 08:48.55 | JJOliver | Gratz474: please buy a manaul. |
| 08:49.00 | g00se | JJOliver: nexcenta? |
| 08:49.03 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 08:49.22 | nsadmin | Gratz474: so you want their ssn, cc#, phone# and medical and financial records? |
| 08:49.35 | hiug | finger them |
| 08:49.41 | JJOliver | g00se: I'm a bit lost. |
| 08:49.46 | nsadmin | they'll looove that |
| 08:49.51 | JJOliver | hiug: always getting personal . . . |
| 08:49.53 | hiug | Gratz474: You have to finger them |
| 08:49.56 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 08:50.06 | hiug | then you will find out all the information |
| 08:50.09 | nsadmin | I have first-hand experience with fingering! |
| 08:50.12 | Gratz474 | this server was compermised |
| 08:50.18 | Gratz474 | i want to find out how |
| 08:50.24 | jelly | !finger nsadmin |
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| 08:50.27 | g00se | JJOliver: s/nexcenta/nexenta |
| 08:50.27 | hiug | Noob admin. |
| 08:50.46 | hiug | What OS does it run? |
| 08:50.48 | nsadmin | you may or may not be able to find out... |
| 08:50.55 | g00se | JJOliver: zfs much more powerful than lvm |
| 08:50.56 | JJOliver | Gratz474: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html |
| 08:51.10 | JJOliver | g00se: cool. |
| 08:51.14 | guyzmo | g00se - thanks for your answer, though I was hoping there was a solution |
| 08:51.14 | nsadmin | what you're talking about is a long long process called forensic analysis of the server |
| 08:51.25 | nsadmin | it's expensive and takes a long time |
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| 08:51.26 | g00se | http://www.nexenta.org/os |
| 08:51.49 | JJOliver | nsadmin: is that for me? |
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| 08:52.40 | JJOliver | g00se: i'll check that out. |
| 08:52.41 | g00se | guyzmo: Not with Sun. Maybe with OpenJRE |
| 08:52.42 | nsadmin | no, for the guy who wants to look at his server to see how it was compromised |
| 08:53.15 | JJOliver | Oh for Gratz474 0-: |
| 08:53.33 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 08:53.51 | g00se | JJOliver: Probably start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs |
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| 08:54.09 | nsadmin | how is zfs comparable to lvm? |
| 08:54.11 | JJOliver | thanks |
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| 08:55.12 | hiug | So what are the main pros and cons between debian and ubuntu? |
| 08:55.49 | jelly | !tell hiug -about why debian |
| 08:55.59 | kanon-mat | hiug install both and compare yourself |
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| 08:57.07 | jelly | merely installing doesn't show off debian's upgrade process, which is one of the comparative advantages |
| 08:57.26 | Gratz474 | nsadmin, i am just so astonished how they got in they have an open ssh right now with what looks to me an irc server |
| 08:58.09 | g00se | nsadmin: There's no short answer to that, but perhaps it's like comparing a Trabant and a BMW |
| 08:58.43 | nsadmin | zfs's zpool is like lvm's volume group |
| 08:58.52 | kanon-mat | but nexenta, i couldnt install that |
| 08:58.54 | hiug | !fedora |
| 08:58.54 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net http://fedoraproject.org/ |
| 08:59.05 | g00se | Yes |
| 08:59.32 | nsadmin | does zfs have something like lvm's logical volume? |
| 08:59.43 | kanon-mat | nexenta didnt care about my partitions, it wanted the whole hdd |
| 09:00.08 | Gratz474 | nsadmin, can you help me :P |
| 09:00.11 | kanon-mat | nexenta is kind of new |
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| 09:00.34 | nsadmin | Gratz474: so this thing is running? |
| 09:01.16 | nsadmin | probably not, btw... I'm not staying long |
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| 09:02.08 | Gratz474 | nsadmin, can i pm you ? |
| 09:02.25 | nsadmin | no; again, not staying long |
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| 09:02.36 | nsadmin | but I apprecate you asking first |
| 09:02.38 | Supaplex | Gratz474: negabyte. |
| 09:02.55 | Gratz474 | kk |
| 09:03.16 | Gratz474 | i just dont know how it was compermised this has only bee n like this up fort 1 day |
| 09:03.17 | Supaplex | er odd nickcompletion and wrong window. heh |
| 09:03.24 | CptnAwesome | Hi folks! Where can i find icons stored on my install (its dreamlinux) |
| 09:03.41 | Supaplex | CptnAwesome: dreamlinux isn't debian. you're in the wrong place. |
| 09:03.45 | CptnAwesome | im looking for an xchat icon for the engage dock, if that help =) |
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| 09:04.04 | jelly | !dreamlinux |
| 09:04.05 | dpkg | it has been said that dreamlinux is a Brazilian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/forum.html. #dreamlinux @ irc.freenode.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 09:04.18 | CptnAwesome | Supaplex, i'm having trouble getting an answer specifically for dreamlinux, and its built on debian, so i thought i would ask here. |
| 09:04.33 | Supaplex | !tell CptnAwesome -about based on debian |
| 09:04.53 | redstick | CptnAwesome, /usr/share/icons maybe? |
| 09:04.54 | Supaplex | well, I'm not sure. We generally don't advise debian derivatives. |
| 09:05.02 | jelly | CptnAwesome: packages usually bring their own icons. dpkg -L packagename will show an installed package contents |
| 09:05.21 | CptnAwesome | ok, thanks guys, you've been a great help =) |
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| 09:10.06 | kanon-mat | how does X load fonts and font modules? |
| 09:10.24 | mesa_booger | font modules ? |
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| 09:11.07 | kanon-mat | in xorg.conf i have "load type1" and "load freetype" |
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| 09:11.27 | kanon-mat | with other qoutation :) |
| 09:12.27 | kanon-mat | Xorg.0.log says it doesnt load mouse0 or keyboard0. with a (WW) infront |
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| 09:13.06 | mesa_booger | kanon-mat: those font entries are redundant now. which has nothing to do with the warning about the keyboard and mouse |
| 09:13.17 | kanon-mat | seems nothing in the default font path exists |
| 09:13.19 | kanon-mat | ok |
| 09:13.22 | mesa_booger | kanon-mat: is your X working ? |
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| 09:13.26 | kanon-mat | no |
| 09:13.46 | mesa_booger | so what is wrong ? |
| 09:13.52 | kanon-mat | wont start, neither with nvidia nv or vesa |
| 09:13.57 | hiug | Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? |
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| 09:14.04 | hiug | Compared to Debian |
| 09:14.04 | JJOliver | Gratz474: ssh is very easy to set up, so don't be amazed at that. |
| 09:14.04 | hiug | ? |
| 09:14.05 | mesa_booger | everything ! |
| 09:14.12 | hiug | What's wrong with Ubuntu? |
| 09:14.41 | Gratz474 | JJOliver, i want to know how someone got in so easy |
| 09:14.51 | JJOliver | hiug: please please please stop asking the same question when many many people have already answered you, it get's old. |
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| 09:15.01 | JJOliver | Gratz474: apt-get install ssh-server |
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| 09:15.04 | Gratz474 | dude |
| 09:15.04 | JJOliver | on server |
| 09:15.07 | Gratz474 | what is your problem |
| 09:15.14 | JJOliver | then it's done. |
| 09:15.17 | krislappy | what linux tool can be used to check the integrity of a hard disk? |
| 09:15.21 | Gratz474 | i am curious how somene COMPERMISERD my server |
| 09:15.27 | Gratz474 | not how to install ssh |
| 09:15.39 | krislappy | like scan for bad sectors? |
| 09:15.44 | kanon-mat | was it ubuntu users that made the xorg devs disable ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 09:15.45 | mesa_booger | kanon-mat: make sure you have these entries in the "ServerFlags" section - Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off", Option "AutoAddDevices" "off", Option "AutoEnableDevices" "off" |
| 09:15.46 | jelly | Gratz474: forensic analysis is a rather complex issue. |
| 09:16.02 | fraff | hi all, I have a local mirror and get error about gpg key not available for that mirror, can you point me to documentation about how to manage that please ? |
| 09:16.12 | kanon-mat | ok, editing.... |
| 09:16.21 | krislappy | Gratz474: a peek in the logs might be a good idea |
| 09:16.25 | krislappy | if you have them |
| 09:16.29 | JJOliver | fraff: have you synced your mirror to an offical mirror/ |
| 09:16.34 | Gratz474 | which logs? |
| 09:16.37 | hiug | !too old |
| 09:16.37 | dpkg | hiug, what, it's too stable for you? |
| 09:16.47 | Gratz474 | he has an active ssh right now |
| 09:16.49 | jelly | Gratz474: you could have had users guessable passwords. Or old/vulnerable versions of software. Or crappy php apps than a generic bot could break. Or... |
| 09:16.51 | Gratz474 | can i talk to him ? |
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| 09:17.05 | Gratz474 | jelly: it was a very easy password |
| 09:17.20 | JJOliver | fraff: I had that error on my mirror because i hadn't synced it properly. |
| 09:17.25 | mesa_booger | kanon-mat: i take it that the error right at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log is about the keyboard and mouse ... |
| 09:17.38 | Gratz474 | jelly: but its only been 1 day jeesh |
| 09:17.42 | Gratz474 | how would it know that fast |
| 09:17.43 | Gratz474 | ? |
| 09:17.49 | Gratz474 | do they port scan random ip's ? |
| 09:17.52 | jelly | Gratz474: yes. |
| 09:18.07 | Gratz474 | looks like hes installing http and irc servers |
| 09:18.10 | Gratz474 | why are they doing this ? |
| 09:18.11 | krislappy | Gratz474: usually in /var/log/ |
| 09:18.33 | fraff | JJOliver: yes, but I wrote a script rsync based, I migth have missed something |
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| 09:19.04 | fraff | JJOliver: what must be synced properly ? I mean, which directories ? |
| 09:19.04 | jelly | Gratz474: the usual answer is "money". These questions are not Debian specific. |
| 09:19.26 | krislappy | servers are expensive nowadays |
| 09:19.27 | JJOliver | fraff: not sure rsync is gets the liscences. |
| 09:19.27 | JJOliver | I use apt-mirror which is outdated but better for my setting. |
| 09:19.34 | Gratz474 | whoa!!!!!! |
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| 09:19.38 | bullgard4 | 'man netstat': "If you don't specify any address families, then the active sockets of all configured address families will be printed." Can you please list all 'address families' that are known to netstat? |
| 09:19.41 | Gratz474 | so many failed password atempts |
| 09:19.53 | Gratz474 | jelly: the pass was therootpass |
| 09:20.06 | krislappy | ... that's a very guessable password |
| 09:20.19 | fraff | JJOliver: rsync syncs what we tell it to sync :) |
| 09:20.43 | JJOliver | fraff: can't remember off the top of my head. |
| 09:20.43 | JJOliver | let me look in my irc log files because I have the solution. |
| 09:20.44 | jelly | !tell Gratz474 about fail2ban |
| 09:21.11 | Gratz474 | jelly: i can;t believe it wow |
| 09:21.18 | Gratz474 | the server has been up for not even 24 hours |
| 09:21.22 | Gratz474 | and already bruteforced? |
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| 09:21.27 | Gratz474 | should i talk to him some how ? |
| 09:21.31 | Gratz474 | join his irc server? lol |
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| 09:21.38 | Gratz474 | talk to him via ssh |
| 09:22.07 | jelly | Gratz474: that's been common practice for years now. Don't use dumb passwords. Don't allow unlimited password guessing. |
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| 09:22.11 | Gratz474 | jelly: man thats crazy |
| 09:22.32 | jelly | Gratz474: no, that's standard procedure. |
| 09:22.38 | Gratz474 | you think i should talk to him? |
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| 09:22.58 | jelly | I think you should reinstall your machine from clean media. |
| 09:23.20 | JJOliver | fraff: must have deleted it. |
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| 09:23.59 | Gratz474 | yea i am giong to do that jelly nothing on there anyways good thing i caught that though jelly |
| 09:24.03 | fraff | JJOliver: gasp, thanks anyway, I'll search on official mirror |
| 09:24.06 | kanon-mat | mesa_booger, i got a lot of EE, "failed to load module kbd" no mouse either, config/hal error |
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| 09:24.44 | kanon-mat | config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) |
| 09:24.53 | jelly | Gratz474: use nontrivial passwords and protect against bruteforcing with fail2ban. |
| 09:24.59 | violin | I am running KDE and have not installed GNOME, but I need GNOME applications. How can I configure GNOME font without installing GNOME? |
| 09:25.01 | JJOliver | fraff: that's all it is, there is a line you can put in the /etc/apt/sources.list that will automatically allow an unverified mirror install . . . |
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| 09:25.37 | fraff | JJOliver: sources.list or apt.conf ? |
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| 09:26.11 | Gratz474 | jelly: how did it happen so fast though? |
| 09:26.17 | Gratz474 | less then 24 hours |
| 09:26.35 | krislappy | Gratz474: bruteforcing and dictionary attacks |
| 09:26.37 | kanon-mat | Gratz474, machines do it, they never sleep :) |
| 09:26.45 | jelly | Gratz474: it's all automated |
| 09:26.50 | krislappy | the password you used was very easy |
| 09:26.55 | JJOliver | fraff: presumabely the problem is on the computers looking at your local mirror right? |
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| 09:27.09 | Gratz474 | like is someone in there now though? |
| 09:27.14 | Gratz474 | i mean i see an avtive ssh |
| 09:27.24 | Gratz474 | and they installed an irc server |
| 09:27.44 | hiug | Fedora is bloatware isn't it? |
| 09:27.50 | kanon-mat | Gratz474, reinstall your system, maybe its spreading viruses and child porn |
| 09:27.53 | jelly | hiug: ask #fedora |
| 09:28.06 | hiug | I'll get banned if I ask there. |
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| 09:28.24 | antixogh | hello |
| 09:28.28 | jelly | hiug: it's not a Debian support question. If you persist you'll get silenced here as well. |
| 09:28.33 | kanon-mat | hiug, you are now on my ignore list, why arent you banned yet? |
| 09:28.34 | Gratz474 | kanon-mat, come on man |
| 09:28.54 | kanon-mat | you dont think so, Gratz474 ? |
| 09:29.02 | Gratz474 | i hope not |
| 09:29.03 | krislappy | Gratz474: delete his account then! what are you waiting for? |
| 09:29.04 | jelly | Gratz474: that's the only sane thing to do at this point. |
| 09:29.09 | krislappy | i mean user* |
| 09:29.16 | Gratz474 | should i message him in the terminal? |
| 09:29.20 | jelly | Gratz474: no |
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| 09:29.28 | alsd | hi there |
| 09:29.33 | kanon-mat | no, you just shut him down right now |
| 09:29.33 | Gratz474 | and ask him how he got in? |
| 09:29.41 | krislappy | he probably won't even see it if he's compiling something |
| 09:29.58 | kanon-mat | !hi |
| 09:29.59 | dpkg | hello, kanon-mat |
| 09:30.10 | jelly | Gratz474: it's really irrelevant. Cut the machine network access and reinstall. If you wish, make an image of the system and anaylze later. |
| 09:30.20 | Gratz474 | its remote |
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| 09:30.40 | kanon-mat | copy logs to an usb stick and reinstall :) |
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| 09:31.21 | Gratz474 | what logs? |
| 09:31.21 | fraff | JJOliver: yes, only local mirror, but that the main |
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| 09:31.29 | Gratz474 | jsu thee auth.log? |
| 09:31.48 | krislappy | Gratz474: /var/log/ |
| 09:32.26 | alsd | the notebook i have here has an intel i830m graphic card, driven by the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver. My problem is, this card steals system RAM, and thus locks 128MB over the 256MB I have. Latest xorg driver doesn't allow to specify the amount of system ram stolen. i'd like to reduce that amount, if at all possible. any clues? |
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| 09:32.50 | jelly | Gratz474: there's nothing more I can suggest. You have a compromised machine and no user data on it. If you don't have experience the best thing to do is wipe and install again. If you can, make an image of the whole disk to analyze later, but that may or may not be useful. |
| 09:33.13 | Gratz474 | i am copying the var/log and then reinstalling jelly |
| 09:33.27 | kanon-mat | 256, thats low, cant you get some more ram in that laptop? |
| 09:33.42 | Gratz474 | hes only been ther for about an hour |
| 09:33.42 | antixogh | so i need some help A) figuring out why my system is crashing and B) fixing the issue. that said i have a fresh install of deb lenny, and when it boots it gets to the welcome screen(gumbled) and freezes(the keyboard) and mouse moves but is very choppy. any thoughts? |
| 09:33.48 | Gratz474 | jelly ^^ |
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| 09:34.24 | krislappy | Gratz474: in an hour, a lotta things can be done! |
| 09:34.25 | alsd | kanon-mat: i've tried already, but it's a Dell laptop. seems like they're designed to refuse non-dell hardware, and I won't give them any more dollars |
| 09:34.32 | Joelio | Anyone how to reduce the verbosity of snmpd logging? I'm getting a syslog event for every single udp connection from my monitoring and graphing servers! |
| 09:35.00 | Gratz474 | krislappy, its an irc server, should i join it ? |
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| 09:35.05 | Gratz474 | see if hes in there |
| 09:36.10 | kanon-mat | Gratz474, if a bee swarm got inside your clothes, would you keep it there for an hour? |
| 09:36.11 | krislappy | Gratz474: why do you want to talk to him??? |
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| 09:36.12 | alsd | kanon-mat: the dell 256MB memory module (SDRAM PC133) is 70EUR, while a samsung one is 30EUR here. go figure why |
| 09:36.15 | Night_Elf | Hi all. When creating a RAID0 setup, the 2 disks are set to be one mirroring the other. Now, from the os-viewpoint, how many disks should be visible? One, the raid 0 volume, or two, the disks themselves ? |
| 09:36.25 | krislappy | it's not like he'll explain why or how he did it!! |
| 09:36.37 | Gratz474 | ask him what hes doing |
| 09:36.41 | kanon-mat | thats expensive memory |
| 09:36.45 | alsd | kanon-mat: when I try with the samsung one, the display does whoo-hoo |
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| 09:38.17 | kanon-mat | i think one could almost buy a better used notebook for that €70 |
| 09:38.17 | Gratz474 | krislappy, he won't? |
| 09:38.22 | alsd | kanon-mat: i guess it's expensive because it's becoming quite unusual these days. but anyway, dell is cheap when you buy it first, for poor quality hardware. but when you want to extend it, you're f*** up |
| 09:38.25 | Gratz474 | prolly should just shut it down then? |
| 09:38.33 | krislappy | yes! |
| 09:38.35 | alsd | kanon-mat: i guess so |
| 09:38.46 | antixogh | if i switch to a console before the login screen loads i can login to a terminal which is where i am now |
| 09:38.49 | krislappy | and quickly, before he does anything else |
| 09:39.04 | kanon-mat | reads the mind of intruder in Gratz474´s system |
| 09:39.26 | Gratz474 | i just would like to message him and be like hi there :) |
| 09:39.31 | Arrowmaster | if an irc server is being installed then its 99.999% chance its for a botnet |
| 09:39.33 | g00se | alsd: What Dell model is it? |
| 09:39.41 | alsd | g00se: latitude c400 |
| 09:39.55 | Arrowmaster | not the kinda person that will answer your questions about how they cracked your system |
| 09:40.47 | krislappy | Joelio: 'touch /etc/snmp/snmpd.options' |
| 09:41.32 | krislappy | Joelio: and put OPTIONS="-Lf /dev/null -p /var/run/snmpd.pid" in there |
| 09:41.46 | Joelio | krislappy: I think you just remove the -Lsd option from /etc/default/snmpd |
| 09:41.59 | Joelio | seems to work without touching that file |
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| 09:42.32 | Gratz474 | made a quck backup |
| 09:42.39 | Gratz474 | what is shutdown again? |
| 09:42.41 | Arrowmaster | not touching /etc/default/snmpd has the advantage of youll never have to resolve a conflict on package upgrade though |
| 09:42.43 | Gratz474 | shutdown -h now ? |
| 09:42.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 09:42.51 | alsd | kanon-mat: thing is, this laptop is "ultra portable", with a 12" screen, weights only 1.5kg, which is nice, but that's the only nice thing in it |
| 09:42.56 | Gratz474 | that shuts down for good right? |
| 09:43.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:43.12 | kanon-mat | antixogh, some kind of X problem? grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:44.22 | alsd | kanon-mat: i've asked the intellinuxgraphics.org guys already, but seems like they're not really interrested in poor-man's problems ;) |
| 09:44.28 | antixogh | (II) Loading Extention MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 09:44.38 | antixogh | ?? |
| 09:44.53 | kanon-mat | alsd i guess one could use damn small linux or some other distro that is light on resources |
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| 09:45.20 | bullgard4 | 'man netstat': "If you don't specify any address families, then the active sockets of all configured address families will be printed." Can you please list all 'address families' that are known to netstat? |
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| 09:46.28 | alsd | kanon-mat: i've been trimming down everything already: using lxde - blah. i've tried reducing AGP aperture size, but it's not possible from the dull-err dell- BIOS, and can't be forced otherwise |
| 09:46.34 | kanon-mat | maybe you can run some apps in a framebuffer, alsd |
| 09:46.53 | kanon-mat | ok |
| 09:46.57 | bkraptor | how can I show live timeouts (as they happen) for the ping command under linux? |
| 09:46.57 | alsd | kanon-mat: seems like the intel driver uses as much system RAM as AGP aperture size allows, which is 128MB fixed |
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| 09:47.40 | antixogh | Xorg.0.log.old says the same thing |
| 09:49.15 | cantoma | guys, does anyone knows how to change the X keymap in debian? |
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| 09:49.45 | alsd | kanon-mat: using framebuffer is what i usually do, but means no movies or the like. i'm wondering if it's possible to tell the agpgart module to ignore what the BIOS says. there's no such option AFAIK in lenny's 2.6.26 |
| 09:50.18 | kanon-mat | ok, you seem to know more about this than i do, alsd :) |
| 09:50.29 | antixogh | ok so i disabled gdm i'm going to see if that makes and head way |
| 09:50.33 | Gratz474 | i wonder if i should have gotten more info |
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| 09:51.25 | alsd | kanon-mat: it's been running around my brain a lot these days ;). but i'm no kernel guru |
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| 09:52.09 | krislappy | what would be the lightest distro for desktop usage? with KDE? |
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| 09:52.32 | Night_Elf | Hi all. When creating a RAID0 setup, the 2 disks are set to be one mirroring the other. Now, from the os-viewpoint, how many disks should be visible? One, the raid 0 volume, or two, the disks themselves ? The partitioner finds both disks. I'd expect it to find the raid0 volume... |
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| 09:52.53 | kanon-mat | the 2.6.29 kernel allows for kms (kernel module setting) i have it on my laptop with i915, idk if it works with 830 |
| 09:53.00 | antixogh | ok so that did the same kind of thing for the most part so this is an X issue |
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| 09:53.18 | alsd | kanon-mat: i'm wondering if i can ask on the linux kernel mailing list or whatever? if they're as interrested as the linuxintelgraphics.org guys, that won't help much either |
| 09:53.37 | kanon-mat | no warnings ar errors in the X log file, antixogh ? |
| 09:53.41 | revanti | Is there a command to ask what driver is being used for the ethernet card on debian 2.6.28? |
| 09:53.56 | kanon-mat | you can always ask, alsd |
| 09:54.07 | alsd | revanti: lspci -vv might be your friend |
| 09:54.17 | antixogh | (II) Loading Extention MIT-SCREEN-SAVER is all it said |
| 09:55.03 | revanti | lspci not installed do you know what package i need for apt-get please? |
| 09:55.11 | kanon-mat | i have problems with X myself :) |
| 09:55.26 | alsd | revanti: pciutils |
| 09:55.37 | revanti | thanks |
| 09:56.41 | revanti | is the e1000e driver for the MSI Atom? |
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| 09:58.26 | revanti | yea it is thanks alsd |
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| 09:58.30 | mesut | hello,is there anyplace to download debian 4.0 ? |
| 09:58.34 | alsd | kanon-mat: kernel mode setting replaces the X driver? |
| 09:59.00 | RaceCondition | I've upgraded from PostgreSQL 8.3 to 8.4 on unstable, and my databases and configuration were "left behind" so no I'm sitting with an empty psql instance... how do I upgrade? I thought debian does this automatically during upgrades... |
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| 10:03.01 | alsd | RaceCondition: debian takes care of updating the software, not the data your software manages, unfortunately. you might have to use some of your brain cells ;) |
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| 10:03.53 | cantido | RaceCondition: Don't you have to dump and reimport when upgrading postgre?.. |
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| 10:04.03 | kanon-mat | alsd, no, but it is supposed to be a better framebuffer, i dont think it can do video though |
| 10:04.57 | antixogh | ok since gdm isn't running i can vi the log file and i see WW for two fonts, (WW) radeon: no matching device section for this instance (bus id pci:1:0:1) found, (WW) radeon dri init changed memory map, adjusting..., (WW) mc_fb_location was: 0ccfffc000 is: 0xcfffc000. (WW) radeon mc-apg_location was: 0xffffffc0 is:0xe07fe000, |
| 10:04.58 | cantido | kanon-mat: modsetting means that the framebuffers don't rely on the video BIOS to setup the right video mode etc afaik |
| 10:05.49 | antixogh | i did see that is set my keyboard to 105 which it's 104 |
| 10:05.58 | RaceCondition | alsd: well, Debian/Ubuntu are the only distros, afaik, that actually upgrade databases as well using a script |
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| 10:06.05 | alsd | kanon-mat: there's an intel framebuffer driver in the mainline kernel, but it's buggy, hasn't moved for years, and is based on the X driver anyway |
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| 10:07.04 | alsd | kanon-mat: I'm using the vesafb driver right now, as it's the only one which works. but VESA means no hardware "acceleration" |
| 10:07.18 | antixogh | hehe how do you quit vi without saving? |
| 10:07.21 | kanon-mat | yes |
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| 10:07.30 | kanon-mat | :q! |
| 10:07.36 | cantido | alsd: no hardware specific acceleration.. |
| 10:07.52 | antixogh | oh i tried Q! |
| 10:07.56 | antixogh | thanks |
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| 10:08.46 | JJOliver | with mkfs.vfat i'm only getting the system Linux, how do I make a fat32? |
| 10:09.09 | alsd | JJOliver: with the -F32 option AFAIR |
| 10:09.34 | cantido | Doesn't mkfs.vfat pick the right on depending on the size of the device anyhow |
| 10:09.41 | cantido | s/on/one/ |
| 10:10.14 | JJOliver | .thanks |
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| 10:10.48 | alsd | cantido: i've been told fat32 is mandatory for partitions > 2^16 bytes anyway. but as usual, unix command line tools often aren't fool-proof |
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| 10:12.34 | alsd | cantido: remember 'rm -fr /', as in "whooops my finger slipped, forgot the './'" |
| 10:12.56 | RaceCondition | it's not possible to run the old postgresql 8.3 cluster any more, is it? I've already done the upgrade to 8.4 |
| 10:13.06 | cantido | "If nothing is specified, mkdosfs will automatically select between 12, 16 and 32 bit, whatever fits better for the file system size." |
| 10:13.13 | RaceCondition | not sure if pg_upgradecluster requires the OLD or the NEW cluster to be running |
| 10:13.14 | scream_ | alsd, i had one after weeks of compiling LFS :( |
| 10:14.44 | cantido | alsd: that's why you don't do things like that as root and keep backups |
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| 10:16.25 | RaceCondition | OK. how do I tell pg_ctlcluster to start a cluster on a custom port? -o "-p 5433" does not seem to work |
| 10:17.07 | alsd | scream_: bad luck! ;) I've been bitten by a similar one no later than yesterday, using apt-src (a magical tool BTW), to compile WebKit: "apt-src install -i webkit" would grab the source, get build-deps, compile, make beautiful .debs. that's about 20 hours on my old-school laptop. and install them, and and and... delete everything afterwards. RTFM, they say ;) |
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| 10:17.27 | alsd | cantido: i'm having a very strict "no backup" policy ;) |
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| 10:21.12 | RaceCondition | running "$ sudo pg_ctlcluster 8.3 main start" gives me "Error: pg_controldata not found, please install postgresql-8.3" |
| 10:21.16 | RaceCondition | what does it mean? |
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| 10:22.13 | RaceCondition | heck, I'll just install psql 8.3 |
| 10:22.20 | RaceCondition | hope it can coexist with 8.4 nicely |
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| 10:23.23 | g00se | Yes, i forgot about apt-src. That could be good. I wonder if it plays well with aptitude? |
| 10:24.48 | alsd | g00se: it won't create a repository for you anyway. but it produces regular .deb files, which aptitude classifies as 'obsolete or locally created' |
| 10:25.07 | project2501a | hey guys, i need a copy of the etch dvd |
| 10:25.13 | alsd | g00se: reprepro is your friend for a quick and dirty repository |
| 10:25.16 | project2501a | where can i get it from? |
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| 10:26.25 | alsd | project2501a: see there: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 10:27.37 | alsd | project2501a: i've been told you can download jigdo files for etch, and then find a mirror that has oldstable |
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| 10:28.29 | antixogh | should /etc/X11/xorg.conf be blank? |
| 10:28.31 | pirx | hi! if i want to install a 8.04 with some added software via the network to a bunch of servers, what method is easiest/best? some automatic install would be preferred (not having to answer any questions, all servers are identical) |
| 10:28.46 | nkuttler | project2501a: s#stable#oldstable# the lenny download link. or archive.debian.org |
| 10:29.50 | nkuttler | antixogh: does X work? it's supposed to autoconfigure nowadays |
| 10:30.06 | pirx | by 8.04 i mean debian 4.0 :) |
| 10:30.12 | nkuttler | pirx: right |
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| 10:30.22 | kanon-mat | haha |
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| 10:30.40 | OpenTokix | pirx: Debian have unattended install |
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| 10:31.06 | OpenTokix | pirx: http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/automatic.htm |
| 10:31.09 | pirx | OpenTokix: where i can add some software to the systen before deploying it? |
| 10:31.12 | OpenTokix | pirx: or you can just deb-bootstrap the disks |
| 10:31.21 | g00se | alsd: I guess you'd need to manually mark the packages if you subsequently wanted to manage them with aptitude |
| 10:31.26 | nkuttler | pirx: /msdpkg preseeding |
| 10:31.36 | nkuttler | pirx: /msg dpkg preseeding |
| 10:31.44 | OpenTokix | pirx: how many machines are we talking about? |
| 10:31.51 | pirx | OpenTokix: 16 |
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| 10:31.58 | antixogh | well it starts to load then the image is gumbled and the keyboard freezes, the mouse moves but slowly i assume xorg is running at 99% cpu useage |
| 10:32.02 | pirx | dell m600 |
| 10:32.03 | cantoma | hey, from my X log my keyboard is being set as (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" but I am using a gb keyboard! How can I change it? |
| 10:32.11 | OpenTokix | pirx: I think I would install one, then dd the other 15 disks |
| 10:32.16 | OpenTokix | pirx: Easy, fast and simple |
| 10:32.17 | alsd | g00se: not as long as they're newer than the ones available on your configured repositories |
| 10:32.43 | OpenTokix | pirx: or debboostrap the 16 drives from aother moachine, should be faster. |
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| 10:32.55 | nkuttler | cantoma: what does locale output? |
| 10:33.12 | nvz | do the kernels in lenny support a ReiserFS root? |
| 10:33.23 | pirx | OpenTokix: checking deb-bootstrap |
| 10:33.32 | nvz | i.e. is ReiserFS compiled in or otherwise in the initrd? |
| 10:33.35 | nkuttler | cantoma: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 10:34.09 | cantoma | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/m35e525c6 |
| 10:34.17 | mosno | nvz: well, support is available as a module, so i would imagine that the module would be included when the initrd is generated |
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| 10:34.42 | kanon-mat | antixogh, check cpu usage with top (or htop). xorg.conf can be generated |
| 10:34.55 | alsd | g00se: i'm using apt-src to do quick and dirty backports for lenny : sources.list has lenny repos, and a deb-src line from sid. from there, 'apt-src install -i <pkg>' installs and builds .deb from sid, with lenny dependencies. they're newer than lenny's, so it's ok for aptitude |
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| 10:35.19 | antixogh | how can i do that is the keyboard is frozen? |
| 10:35.35 | antixogh | -is +if |
| 10:35.45 | g00se | alsd: Not sure about that in terms of auto-remove |
| 10:35.47 | kanon-mat | i mean, outside X, in the console, antixogh |
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| 10:36.24 | nkuttler | antixogh: can't you ctrl+atl+F1 ? |
| 10:36.25 | cantoma | nkuttler, what options did you want to pass to dpkg? |
| 10:36.38 | nkuttler | !tell cantoma about keymap |
| 10:36.39 | antixogh | not after it freezes |
| 10:36.52 | nkuttler | antixogh: then don't start X |
| 10:37.11 | antixogh | i disabled gdm though so i boot to the console |
| 10:37.31 | alsd | g00se: if you create a reprepro repository with backported .debs, that's as usual |
| 10:38.13 | alsd | g00se: whatever you want installed is marked as manually installed, dependencies are marked as automatically installed, and auto-remove works as is expected |
| 10:38.30 | cantoma | nkuttler, i understand about xmodmap, but where is the X setting us? in other words which script should i look for and modifiy? |
| 10:38.47 | nkuttler | cantoma: you can set that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:38.47 | alsd | g00se: and besides, aptitude sees no difference from the official repos |
| 10:38.54 | pirx | OpenTokix: thanks for the tips! |
| 10:39.06 | cantoma | nkuttler, actually there is no keyboard settings there |
| 10:39.07 | nkuttler | antixogh: do you use gnome? |
| 10:39.12 | nkuttler | cantoma: create it |
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| 10:39.21 | cantoma | nkuttler, maybe that is because that it goes to some wrong defaults |
| 10:39.29 | OpenTokix | pirx: yw |
| 10:39.34 | alsd | g00se: but that's not worth the hassle, if you ask me |
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| 10:40.22 | antixogh | yes, gnome was installed |
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| 10:40.39 | antixogh | i just installed denian lenny on this computer |
| 10:40.49 | antixogh | debian |
| 10:41.09 | nkuttler | antixogh: well, i'd try to run startx with some minimal wm and check if that works |
| 10:41.14 | cantoma | nkuttler, i am having a look here : http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html but i don't see any options that will allow me to set the layout of the keyboard |
| 10:41.23 | nkuttler | antixogh: assuming you can't ssh into the box |
| 10:41.52 | antixogh | i can't at this point |
| 10:42.25 | g00se | alsd: I have a similar issue, having used m-a this morning |
| 10:42.38 | nkuttler | cantoma: something like in http://dev.gentoo.org/~fmccor/docs/xorg/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.html, try X -configure for a template too |
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| 10:43.08 | nkuttler | cantoma: inputdevice, xkblayout |
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| 10:43.50 | alsd | g00se: maybe fiddle with the auto installed flag in aptitude? ('m' on the package in curses aptitude to mark as manually installed/ 'M' for automatically installed) |
| 10:44.05 | antixogh | i started x and hit ctrl alt f2 before it froze should i run top now? |
| 10:44.25 | nkuttler | antixogh: sounds like a plan |
| 10:44.31 | alsd | g00se: but last time I tried, aptitude and apt-get weren't in sync reguarding this flag |
| 10:44.41 | alsd | g00se: maybe this has changed since then |
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| 10:44.59 | Gratz474 | what if you take a linux execiteable and try to run in windows? |
| 10:45.06 | Gratz474 | executable ** |
| 10:45.19 | nkuttler | Gratz474: fail |
| 10:45.27 | Gratz474 | wont work at all? |
| 10:45.36 | Night_Elf | is there not an option for mkfs to create ntfs filesystems ? |
| 10:46.04 | Night_Elf | i get this error: mkfs.ntfs: No such file or directory |
| 10:46.15 | g00se | alsd: Yes it would just be nice to have things syncing with aptitude |
| 10:46.28 | nkuttler | Gratz474: well... not out of the box, no |
| 10:46.37 | antixogh | cpu 0.0 % |
| 10:46.51 | cantoma | nkuttler, thanks .. i will try just to add the option Option "XkbLayout" "us" and see what happens |
| 10:46.57 | RichiH | what is wrong here..? http://paste.debian.net/41127/ if i restart ntp, it syncs and then loses sync some minutes later |
| 10:47.02 | cantoma | nkuttler, to gb actually |
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| 10:47.07 | antixogh | top and xorg 0.7% |
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| 10:47.19 | alsd | g00se: or maybe not having 2 different status databases would remove the sync problem entirely |
| 10:47.52 | alsd | g00se: i've been told apt-get is being phased out these days anyway |
| 10:48.20 | alsd | (after so many years of good service, sniff ;) |
| 10:48.43 | g00se | alsd: Using m-a pulled in a further 17 packages. Yet the following: sudo aptitude remove --purge -s module-assistant simply results in removal of m-a alone |
| 10:49.16 | alsd | Night_Elf: why on earth would you want to create an ntfs file system under linux?? |
| 10:49.29 | antixogh | ... when i went back to xorg it froze |
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| 10:50.25 | g00se | Night_Elf: mkfs.* are not meant to be used directly |
| 10:50.30 | Night_Elf | alsd: because in this server later the disk I'm adding now will be moved to a windows machine with all the files/data/stuff it has there. |
| 10:50.53 | g00se | Night_Elf: mkntfs is what you want probably |
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| 10:51.12 | nkuttler | antixogh: as i said, i'd try a minimal wm, then a different graphics driver. pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log too |
| 10:51.25 | Night_Elf | g00se: I'll have a look at that |
| 10:51.42 | alsd | g00se: m-a created .deb are listed in 'obsolete and locally created' in aptitude |
| 10:51.55 | antixogh | ok i'll have to setup ssh though |
| 10:52.00 | antixogh | bbl |
| 10:52.11 | g00se | alsd: Aaah |
| 10:52.20 | alsd | g00se: what you asked aptitude is exactly what you got: to remove module-assistant |
| 10:52.40 | g00se | alsd: Yes, of course |
| 10:52.45 | Night_Elf | g00se: alsd: I needed to install the package "ntfsprogs" which provides the mkfs.ntfs and mkntfs utilitiers |
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| 10:52.58 | g00se | Night_Elf: Yes |
| 10:53.32 | alsd | Night_Elf: i've been told ntfsprogs are reverse engineered, so don't expect them to provide you a reliable file system |
| 10:53.58 | alsd | Night_Elf: if you want a file system that works the same on both OSes, use fat32 |
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| 10:54.04 | g00se | Night_Elf: Exactly. Of course you could also use Fat32 and run Windows convert on it later |
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| 10:54.25 | denysonique | Hi |
| 10:54.29 | g00se | alsd: You beat me to it ;-) |
| 10:54.44 | Phil4 | I'm trying to get openssh to accept root logins only from certain IPs. I've enabled "account required pam_access.so" in /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/sshd and I've added 4 lines to /etc/security/access.conf - however it still accepts logins from any IP |
| 10:54.50 | Phil4 | have I missed something? |
| 10:54.58 | Night_Elf | g00se: alsd: I see. Hmmm. ... |
| 10:55.07 | denysonique | after an update my wifi card has lower power it detects less access points generally the reception is weaker |
| 10:55.21 | denysonique | I am using the ath5k driver |
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| 10:55.37 | denysonique | could this be due to a driver update or config change? |
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| 10:56.05 | alsd | Night_Elf: that's M$ policy, they don't want to disclose NTFS internals. at least not until you pay them big $$$ |
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| 10:57.36 | antixogh | ok cool |
| 10:57.47 | Night_Elf | alsd: to heck with them. I'm putting the partition to be ext3 for now. Later on I'll transfer them to another hd at the windows machine. I'd rather give the many to Maxtor/Seagate/etc instead of m$ |
| 10:57.47 | antixogh | it was a driver problem |
| 10:57.57 | antixogh | i tried vesa and it works |
| 10:58.06 | Night_Elf | money* |
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| 10:59.34 | g00se | Phil$: I take it you restarted the daemons? ;-) |
| 10:59.49 | g00se | Phil4: I take it you restarted the daemons? ;-) |
| 10:59.56 | Phil4 | which deamons, g00se? |
| 11:00.08 | g00se | pam,sshd? |
| 11:00.09 | Phil4 | I restarted sshd for good measure but I wasn't aware it was necessary with pam |
| 11:00.20 | alsd | Night_Elf: if you have to deal with both oses, the best is to have a network file server with standard protocols such as FTP, or (if you want the hassle) SMB/CIFS (think SAMBA) |
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| 11:00.26 | g00se | Phil4: It might not be - i dunno |
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| 11:00.33 | Phil4 | how does one restart pam? |
| 11:00.40 | Phil4 | I wasn't aware it was a daemon :S |
| 11:00.48 | denysonique | /etc/init.d/pam restart |
| 11:00.52 | denysonique | perhaps |
| 11:01.00 | Phil4 | No such file or directory |
| 11:01.01 | Phil4 | ^^ |
| 11:01.56 | alsd | Phil4: it's not a daemon, it's a library that some daemons use |
| 11:01.58 | Maria | Hello. I'm having issues with my debian install. Last night I ran a "apt-get upgrade" and now X doesn't start when I boot. I get this error: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-09/msg02589.html - except w/ xinit instead of gnome-terminal. What's wrong ? |
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| 11:02.12 | Phil4 | alsd, that is what I thought |
| 11:02.21 | Phil4 | hence the confusion with restarting it |
| 11:02.47 | alsd | Phil4: but you'll have to restart the daemons that use it anyway |
| 11:03.01 | g00se | Phil4: Yes, sorry. Just sshd then |
| 11:03.04 | Phil4 | alsd, as I said, I've done that to no avail |
| 11:03.46 | g00se | Phil4: Maybe just turn up logging on ssh |
| 11:04.04 | Phil4 | hm? |
| 11:04.10 | Phil4 | it's logging the logins as successful |
| 11:04.17 | Phil4 | which they are |
| 11:04.31 | nkuttler | Maria: you should pastebin your own error |
| 11:04.36 | denysonique | where are all the kernels modules located? |
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| 11:04.41 | Phil4 | even when I add - : ALL : ALL to access.conf, it still allows logins :S |
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| 11:05.34 | nkuttler | denysonique: /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
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| 11:06.11 | denysonique | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 11:06.33 | g00se | Phil4: You need to turn up logging to the extent that authentication is getting described |
| 11:06.37 | Maria | nkuttler, This machine isn't connected to the net, the error is however the exact same, except it says xinit instead of gnome-terminal. |
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| 11:07.36 | RichiH | what is wrong here..? http://paste.debian.net/41127/ if i restart ntp, it syncs and then loses sync some minutes later |
| 11:08.03 | azeem_ | RichiH: please don't cross-post :P |
| 11:08.19 | Maria | gdm fails to start also, can I see a log for gdm? |
| 11:08.59 | alsd | Phil4: can't you use /etc/ssh/sshd_config to define authorized ips? im no ssh guru anyway |
| 11:09.21 | Phil4 | don't think so, alsd |
| 11:09.41 | denysonique | alsd: /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 11:10.49 | sander_ | Anyone know why I get "touch: cannot touch �a�: No space left on device" when my disk has 15GB free space? |
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| 11:11.55 | kripz | is it possible to see how much data has been transfered on eth0 since 12am today? |
| 11:12.16 | kanon-mat | sander_, free space is on another partition? |
| 11:12.37 | denysonique | sander_: show as the comman and output of mount |
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| 11:12.39 | denysonique | command |
| 11:13.21 | alsd | sander_: maybe you're running short of free inodes on the filesystem |
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| 11:13.35 | alsd | sander_: happens with ext2 when you have many files |
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| 11:14.26 | Balthazar | hello anyone can help me please ? |
| 11:14.28 | alsd | kripz: not if you arent running some sort of bandwidth logging daemon (think mrtg) |
| 11:14.56 | sander_ | kanon-mat, denysonique, alsd: http://pastebin.ca/1485565 |
| 11:15.04 | g00se | !ask |
| 11:15.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:15.25 | sander_ | alsd: I'm using ext3 |
| 11:15.31 | Balthazar | sorry dpkg |
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| 11:15.54 | g00se | Balthazar: He won't mind ;-) |
| 11:16.14 | Balthazar | oops sorry g00se |
| 11:16.16 | kanon-mat | i can start my X now :) adding a .xinitrc made it not start |
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| 11:16.46 | alsd | sander_: it's the same: ext3 is ext2 with journaling. might also be the ext3 journal that's eating space, although that should be taken care of by the kernel |
| 11:17.23 | sander_ | alsd, might be the case.. since I copied extremly many files to the filesystem |
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| 11:17.27 | g00se | sander_: Pastebin df anyway |
| 11:17.31 | edoreld1 | I'm using "apt-get install <package>", which installs package 2.0. However, I know that there's a version 3.0 that should be installed instead. Is there any reason why the older version is being used? |
| 11:17.39 | sander_ | g00se, I added df there |
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| 11:17.50 | g00se | sander_: Sorry ;-) |
| 11:18.00 | Balthazar | I have problem with network. I'm running Debian version Etch 4.0 I have many IP addresses and since yesterday I can use only my main IP and not secondaries. |
| 11:18.14 | kanon-mat | is it "xfce4-session" to start xfce4? |
| 11:18.15 | mischief | anyone using grub2? |
| 11:18.18 | sander_ | let me try to delete some files.. |
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| 11:18.32 | axelis | edoreld1 , do apt-cache madison <package> to find out the available versions and then apt-cache install <package>=version |
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| 11:19.15 | kanon-mat | mischief, i changed back to grub legacy, that is documented :) |
| 11:19.20 | edoreld1 | axelis: thanks, much appreciated |
| 11:19.31 | mischief | kanon-mat, what is documented? :s |
| 11:19.34 | mischief | why did you switch back? |
| 11:19.50 | alsd | sander_: you can pack some files with tar too, instead of deleting them. ext2fsprogs has means of tweaking inodes, AFAIK |
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| 11:20.40 | sander_ | alsd, Yeah.. I just transfered a backup without taring.. Now i'm deleting the backup and transfer the backup as tar files instead |
| 11:20.41 | g00se | sander_: No hidden partition on there? |
| 11:20.48 | sander_ | g00se, nopes |
| 11:20.53 | kanon-mat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:21.08 | careta | hello |
| 11:21.34 | sander_ | hello there |
| 11:21.44 | Maria | When I try running startx w/ "exec xterm&" in my xinitrc, I get a plain X session w/o any xterm, and "../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed." Is written in the console.. Any ideas at all? |
| 11:21.45 | kanon-mat | i wouldnt have tried with xp if wine wasnt so broken |
| 11:21.56 | alsd | !doesn't work |
| 11:21.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 11:22.47 | Camp | help |
| 11:23.08 | Camp | ups, sry |
| 11:23.17 | kanon-mat | Maria, maybe you can try installing openbox, see if that starts |
| 11:23.38 | careta | kanon-mat, how did chroot didn't work? |
| 11:23.43 | alsd | kanon-mat: what dpkg said was for you ;) |
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| 11:24.03 | Maria | kanon-mat, no X app starts :-\ Including GDM |
| 11:24.14 | kanon-mat | well, wine is old, and its dependencies are broken, it wont install |
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| 11:24.24 | mischief | kanon-mat, was it hard to install grub2? |
| 11:24.48 | alsd | kanon-mat: let me be more specific, if you will... ;) what "doesn't work" with grub? |
| 11:25.08 | kanon-mat | it was kind of easy, mischief but i didnt conf it much, no splashscreens |
| 11:25.32 | mischief | i want to try it. i just don't want my system to crash and burn once i install and reboot |
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| 11:26.04 | kanon-mat | i didnt like that grub2 is so undocumented, the wiki is very sparse and the #grub channel doesnt have many ppl in it |
| 11:26.17 | sunru | hello, why can't you name a user for the live system as "admin" when using the installer? |
| 11:26.23 | alsd | kanon-mat: grub-legacy is your friend then |
| 11:26.39 | kanon-mat | grub, thats what im using :) |
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| 11:27.15 | kanon-mat | Maria, can you start xterm? |
| 11:27.35 | alsd | kanon-mat: when you chroot, you'd have to take care of /dev, as it's managed by udev these days. as in 'mount --bind /dev <chroot-path>/dev' before chrooting |
| 11:27.36 | nkuttler | sunru: there's root and sudo |
| 11:27.44 | Balthazar | I have problem with network. I'm running Debian version Etch 4.0 I have many IP addresses and since yesterday I can use only my main IP and not secondaries when the connection isn't local. I think that's a road problem but not sure. Could you help me please? |
| 11:27.44 | alsd | kanon-mat: especially if you want to reinstall grub |
| 11:27.45 | Maria | kanon-mat, No, I can't start any application on the X server. Nothing runs, no desktop or wm |
| 11:28.15 | kanon-mat | Maria, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:28.35 | sunru | nkuttler: when setting up systems I always create a default user called "admin" |
| 11:28.39 | nkuttler | Balthazar: route? begin with traceroute? |
| 11:28.47 | abrotman | road problem? |
| 11:28.53 | Balthazar | yes route |
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| 11:28.55 | abrotman | the route command might help |
| 11:29.04 | nkuttler | sunru: so? |
| 11:29.07 | sunru | the installer disallows it, was just curious why. |
| 11:29.08 | Maria | kanon-mat, No errors. However I seem to get this in the console when I start xterm: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_r |
| 11:29.08 | Maria | equest_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
| 11:29.19 | alsd | abrotman: on the road again? ;) |
| 11:29.43 | sunru | yeh |
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| 11:29.45 | sander_ | !dbugs 535925 |
| 11:29.45 | nkuttler | sunru: ah. odd. |
| 11:29.49 | Balthazar | nkuttler http://pastealacon.com/3601 |
| 11:29.50 | dpkg | #535925:I[xserver-xorg-video-ati] xserver-xorg-video-ati: XRandR dualscreen doesn't work with kernel modesetting (); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:09:05 UTC [] |
| 11:30.09 | kanon-mat | does a ssh admin login at sunru´s comp |
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| 11:30.55 | quakelive | How do I enable sshd? |
| 11:31.11 | alsd | flags kanon-mat as an evil black-hatish script kiddie ;) |
| 11:31.20 | nkuttler | quakelive: should be enabled by default. /etc/init.d/ssh start assuming it is installed |
| 11:31.44 | kanon-mat | Maria, thats more than i know, have you tried the forums.debian.net ? |
| 11:31.56 | g00se | Balthazar: sudo ifconfig -a could help too |
| 11:32.10 | nkuttler | Balthazar: looks fine to me |
| 11:32.14 | quakelive | ssh localhost |
| 11:32.21 | quakelive | ssh: connect to localhost port 22: Connection refused |
| 11:32.27 | quakelive | looks like it's blocked |
| 11:32.37 | nkuttler | quakelive: tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:32.47 | kanon-mat | i cant ssh myself either :( |
| 11:32.50 | Maria | kanon-mat, No, I havent.. I'm googling the error though, and I can't seem to find anything. There are some of these errors reported, none of the occur when starting ANY app though, just specific apps. I'm considering a reinstall. |
| 11:33.06 | Balthazar | http://pastealacon.com/3602 |
| 11:33.38 | Balthazar | yes nkuttler |
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| 11:34.13 | kanon-mat | maybe you can do a lsof on the src/xcb_lock file |
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| 11:34.20 | quakelive | Does ssh run by default? |
| 11:34.25 | alsd | lends abrotman a little http://virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/ |
| 11:34.38 | nkuttler | quakelive: ps auxw | grep ssh |
| 11:34.48 | Maria | kanon-mat, hm.. Okay, I'll try that. The actual .c-file? |
| 11:34.48 | kanon-mat | motorcycle maintenance? |
| 11:34.59 | kanon-mat | idk, Maria |
| 11:35.01 | quakelive | nkuttler |
| 11:35.03 | quakelive | not there |
| 11:35.07 | quakelive | no ssh running |
| 11:35.08 | abrotman | alsd: Pigs In Zen ? |
| 11:35.35 | alsd | kanon-mat: yes sir. but that's quite more if you ask me. just look for the subtitle |
| 11:35.37 | Balthazar | nkuttler http://pastealacon.com/3603 |
| 11:35.56 | alsd | abrotman: as pigs often do |
| 11:35.57 | kanon-mat | Maria, have you locked the screen and then closed the computer down? |
| 11:36.04 | abrotman | alsd: it's a song ... |
| 11:36.24 | quakelive | !ssh |
| 11:36.25 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>. |
| 11:36.45 | quakelive | !sshd |
| 11:36.48 | Maria | kanon-mat, Yeah, that has probably happened sometime.. Battery running out when locked, yeah. (laptop) May that be an issue? |
| 11:36.58 | kanon-mat | alsd, i read it 17 years ago |
| 11:37.04 | quakelive | How do I install sshd? |
| 11:37.18 | Maria | quakelive, try apt-get install ssh |
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| 11:37.21 | abrotman | quakelive: you can msg the bot |
| 11:37.26 | abrotman | quakelive: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 11:37.35 | kanon-mat | Maria, maybe there is a lock file or two you can delete |
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| 11:38.00 | alsd | kanon-mat: neither do I. my english is too poor to understand such litterature |
| 11:38.20 | g00se | Balthazar: I don't know much about multihoming unfortunately |
| 11:38.42 | Maria | kanon-mat, hmm.. yeah, maybe. I'm not sure that's the kind of lock it's complaining about though. Maybe it is, do you have any idea where to look for them? It can't be user specific, I've tried w/ several users. |
| 11:38.56 | Gratz474 | what do you guys like better rsync or sshfs? |
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| 11:39.07 | abrotman | Gratz474: they're different things |
| 11:39.07 | quakelive | how do I install gcc? |
| 11:39.12 | kanon-mat | im just brainstorming, Maria |
| 11:39.15 | abrotman | !tell quakelive about grounding |
| 11:39.17 | abrotman | !tell quakelive about search |
| 11:39.20 | Gratz474 | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 11:39.21 | Balthazar | ok g00se |
| 11:39.24 | abrotman | quakelive: install build-essential |
| 11:39.35 | abrotman | Gratz474: one is a program, one is a filesystem ? |
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| 11:39.44 | Maria | kanon-mat, Ok, I appreciate it. really. Hmm.. maybe if I purge rthe configs of xorg? That should clear any lockfiles too? |
| 11:39.48 | alsd | abrotman: drug abusing hippies again! what's the police doing ? ;) |
| 11:39.50 | Gratz474 | sshfs is a program |
| 11:39.50 | quakelive | should I use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 11:39.55 | Gratz474 | as is rsync |
| 11:40.32 | abrotman | Gratz474: ssh'fs' .. filesystem ? |
| 11:40.33 | kanon-mat | Maria, it could be better to mv the files to some other filename, then nothing is lost |
| 11:40.34 | quakelive | does it matter if I use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 11:40.50 | abrotman | quakelive: you should be using aptitude |
| 11:41.03 | kanon-mat | !why aptitude |
| 11:41.04 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 11:41.31 | quakelive | oh |
| 11:41.34 | Balthazar | but g00se you don't know where could be from, routing of ip addresses except for /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:41.35 | quakelive | so apt-get is obsolete? |
| 11:41.39 | Gratz474 | abrotman, they are both programs, is it better to mount a sshfs and cp -R it or use rsync to get a set of dirs on your local box abrotman ? |
| 11:41.51 | alsd | abrotman: but it still doesn't deal with the kitchen sink |
| 11:42.00 | quakelive | apt-get is obsolete then? |
| 11:42.07 | abrotman | quakelive: no (stop repeating) |
| 11:42.20 | alsd | fills a wishlist bug report against aptitude |
| 11:42.27 | kanon-mat | spread the good word about aptitude, quakelive |
| 11:42.37 | Gratz474 | i still use apt-get |
| 11:42.40 | abrotman | Gratz474: better for what? try them both and test |
| 11:42.40 | Gratz474 | has cow powers |
| 11:42.59 | alsd | Gratz474: *super* cow powers that is |
| 11:43.04 | Gratz474 | abrotman, if you had a remote bos and you wanted to take a dir and put it on your local box |
| 11:43.10 | kanon-mat | Gratz474, find the easter egg in aptitude! |
| 11:43.19 | Gratz474 | heheeh |
| 11:43.32 | Gratz474 | i dont think sshfs is too good for that |
| 11:44.23 | abrotman | Gratz474: i'd rsync over ssh |
| 11:44.35 | abrotman | Gratz474: or tar it up and copy it down that way |
| 11:44.47 | kanon-mat | aptitude has grayish background in gnome-terminal instead of black :( |
| 11:44.48 | Gratz474 | hmm |
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| 11:45.05 | alsd | Gratz474: ssh is no good for bulk transfers, except if you need warming up the room |
| 11:45.07 | Gratz474 | abrotman, yea i think sshfs might be better for editing some files remotely |
| 11:45.14 | g00se | Balthazar: What do you get when you ping, say 91.121.53.170 ? |
| 11:45.28 | abrotman | Gratz474: didn't i say they were different things? |
| 11:45.31 | Gratz474 | not for big transfers though |
| 11:45.33 | alsd | Gratz474: ... or are paranoid about security |
| 11:45.35 | Gratz474 | yea |
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| 11:46.11 | miickee | When I type ifconfig, wlan0 interface is not there. How can I make sure it is "included"? |
| 11:46.13 | Balthazar | a "normal" results g00se : http://pastealacon.com/3605 |
| 11:46.33 | alsd | miickee: 'ifconfig -a' maybe |
| 11:46.53 | miickee | alsd: Nope, I'm meaning it is not there, it's a new lenny install |
| 11:46.57 | careta | anyone where using squeeze? |
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| 11:47.19 | abrotman | careta: ask your real question |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | miickee: ifconfig -a |
| 11:47.28 | g00se | Balthazar: So what exactly is your actual practical problem? |
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| 11:47.37 | alsd | miickee: udev should take care of loading the module(s) for you, so if it's not there in 'ifconfig -a' there's a problem somewhere |
| 11:47.38 | abrotman | miickee: and if it's not there, the interface doesn't exist |
| 11:47.40 | miickee | abrotman: I did ifconfig -a, wlan0 does not appear |
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| 11:47.55 | kanon-mat | squeeze, the archive tool? |
| 11:48.12 | miickee | abrotman: It does, I remember I followed a tutorial online that helped "recognise" the atheros interface, but now I can't find it |
| 11:48.18 | quakelive | How do I make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources? |
| 11:48.20 | miickee | abrotman: This was for another instal |
| 11:48.30 | careta | abrotman, seems sound control is not working properly in squeeze. I have two sound panels in gnome-control-center, and the rhythmbox sound slider doesn't match with the system sound slider |
| 11:48.38 | sander_ | alsd, there was too many inodes on the filesystem |
| 11:48.47 | abrotman | !tell quakelive about contrib |
| 11:48.50 | abrotman | !tell quakelive about non-free |
| 11:48.55 | abrotman | this is getting silly .. |
| 11:48.57 | alsd | abrotman: i guess you'd need to be like lucy, in the sky with diamonds, to fully appreciate "pigs in zen", right? |
| 11:49.06 | g00se | miickee: is it mentioned in dmesg? |
| 11:49.11 | abrotman | alsd: or just like the song :) |
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| 11:49.27 | dagek | hi |
| 11:49.28 | abrotman | careta: doesn't one control PCM and the other the main volume ? |
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| 11:49.50 | Hans_the_german | hi all |
| 11:50.00 | Hans_the_german | is perl included in the net install cd? |
| 11:50.02 | alsd | abrotman: yeah right, but they seem like being far far away. "nasa sponsored", as i've heard recently in a song ;) |
| 11:50.04 | miickee | g00se: Not that I can see. If I boot into my 2.6.28-bpo.2-686 lenny, I have wlan0, after I "installed" the interface, now in this lower kernel it's not there. |
| 11:50.22 | careta | abrotman, one is sound preferences. the other is volume control. but they both have the same icon and the same name, and are right next to each other in gnome-control-center |
| 11:50.34 | miickee | g00se: I'm trying to use the older kernel cause I can;t install ati drivers on the 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 kernel |
| 11:50.36 | dagek | I am trying to run debian from a usb drive (cruzer titanium) and its write speed is only 3.5MB/s thought the spec is 9mb/s |
| 11:51.34 | kanon-mat | miickee, maybe you have to install a pkg and load that module |
| 11:51.40 | quakelive | do I add contrib and non-free to security.debian.org and volitile.debian.org in sources.list? |
| 11:51.40 | abrotman | Hans_the_german: it has priority Standard, so it's on the CD, but maybe not always installed, why? |
| 11:51.43 | alsd | dagek: is the spec about write or read speed? beware of the marketoid! ;) |
| 11:51.47 | quakelive | or only to the main mirror? |
| 11:51.48 | abrotman | !tell quakelive about sources.list |
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| 11:51.55 | careta | abrotman, about the sliders, both control the main volume in pulseaudio |
| 11:52.02 | g00se | miickee: What does lspci say? |
| 11:52.04 | abrotman | careta: oh, i don't use pulse .. sorry |
| 11:52.13 | dagek | alsd, read is markted as 15mb/s |
| 11:52.18 | abrotman | (it's on my list of things to irritate myself with) |
| 11:52.30 | miickee | g00se: 08:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002a (rev 01) |
| 11:52.44 | Balthazar | my problem is that all trafic are redirected to one IP whereas I ask another IP g00se |
| 11:52.59 | careta | abrotman, i didn't want to use it either. but i'm being forced to, since WITHOUT pulseaudio i get more distortion and less cpu usage... i've been asking around in #alsa but noone was able to help me |
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| 11:53.19 | careta | i mean, without pulseaudio i get more distortion and higher cpu usage |
| 11:53.24 | alsd | dagek: i've been foolishly buying a very expensive "200x" usb key recently, only to remember that USB2 is limited to approx 28MB/s bulk read |
| 11:53.40 | alsd | dagek: maybe try 'hdparm -t <device>' |
| 11:53.53 | abrotman | careta: it just sounds like the different sliders are controlling different parts of the volume .. and IIRC pulse allows per-application volume settings |
| 11:54.09 | g00se | miickee: The chipset is..? |
| 11:54.32 | g00se | Balthazar: That could be a software problem, not a Debian one |
| 11:54.40 | alsd | dagek: or try on a different usb controller |
| 11:54.41 | dagek | alsd, that showd read as 25mb/s |
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| 11:55.04 | alsd | dagek: that's the USB2 bandwidth limit anyway |
| 11:55.14 | miickee | g00se: chipset? |
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| 11:55.18 | dagek | alsd my writes are 3mbs |
| 11:55.29 | alsd | dagek: bulk write is not the same as random write, btw |
| 11:55.29 | abrotman | g00se: it's an atheros chipset .. likely ath5k |
| 11:55.32 | dagek | alsd, which is painfully slow |
| 11:55.44 | abrotman | g00se: lspci -nn might be more helpful to you |
| 11:55.46 | miickee | ath9k, acutallu |
| 11:55.50 | miickee | *actually |
| 11:55.51 | abrotman | or even lspci -nnk |
| 11:55.54 | g00se | Yes |
| 11:56.01 | alsd | dagek: try on different hardware to see if it fares better |
| 11:56.44 | alsd | dagek: flash memory is also aging quickly, slowing down on each write |
| 11:56.44 | Balthazar | yes but the problem is with all my programs (eggdrop, bnc, etc.) g00se and my programs worked well until yesterday |
| 11:57.17 | dagek | alsd, this one is new |
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| 11:58.04 | g00se | Balthazar: Have you configured your router to do this? |
| 11:58.05 | alsd | dagek: maybe you have usb-storage module compiled with debugging (if dmesg shows an awful lot of usb-storage messages, you have it) |
| 11:58.29 | Balthazar | g00se it's not my router because he's a dedicated server |
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| 11:59.09 | abrotman | did you check his `route -n` or anything ? |
| 11:59.34 | dagek | alsd, dmesg is pretty clean |
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| 12:00.13 | nvz | abrotman: you check his "route -n" I don't swing that way.. :-P |
| 12:00.13 | quakelive | My xorg.conf is blank |
| 12:00.17 | quakelive | What do I do? |
| 12:00.28 | abrotman | quakelive: nothing, that's normal |
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| 12:00.43 | quakelive | I'm installing the Nvidia drivers |
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| 12:00.47 | abrotman | gets the XSF to add a note about that |
| 12:00.49 | abrotman | quakelive: so? |
| 12:00.55 | xshadowfire | à ² _à ² |
| 12:01.01 | xshadowfire | what is the xsf |
| 12:01.03 | quakelive | If it contains a "Module" section, be sure that it contains a line: |
| 12:01.03 | quakelive | Load "glx" |
| 12:01.05 | g00se | Balthazar: OK. Unfortunately i've never done multihoming |
| 12:01.14 | quakelive | So I don't need a Module section in xorg.conf? |
| 12:01.23 | abrotman | quakelive: i'm ont sure what instructions you're following to install the nvidia drivers, but it sounds wrong |
| 12:01.31 | Balthazar | ok g00se thanks you anyway |
| 12:01.37 | quakelive | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#config-manual |
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| 12:02.14 | sander_ | ANyone know how to get hold of a xorg debian developer? |
| 12:02.16 | abrotman | it says 'if' |
| 12:02.24 | abrotman | sander_: the debian-x mailing list? |
| 12:02.42 | quakelive | In the "Device" section for your video card, change the driver (normally nv or vesa) to nvidia. If the driver is not defined, add the line |
| 12:02.43 | quakelive | Driver "nvidia" |
| 12:02.44 | JJOliver | hey how do I force it to format in fat16? |
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| 12:02.54 | quakelive | I don't have a "Device" section in xorg.conf |
| 12:02.55 | mesa_booger | sander_: by the ankles is best |
| 12:02.59 | quakelive | What do I do? |
| 12:03.01 | JJOliver | That is to say what do I type to make /dev/sdc1 be formated to fat16? |
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| 12:03.06 | sander_ | abrotman, I was thinking on irc.. |
| 12:03.15 | abrotman | sander_: that would depend on the DD, not all of them are on IRC |
| 12:03.36 | alsd | Balthazar: maybe your problem is related to a change in ovh's network topology recently? |
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| 12:04.20 | Gratz474 | is it possible to run rsync over ssh? |
| 12:04.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:04.39 | quakelive | abrotman: it says In the "Device" section for your video card, change the driver (normally nv or vesa) to nvidia. If the driver is not defined, add the line |
| 12:04.40 | quakelive | Driver "nvidia" |
| 12:04.53 | Balthazar | alsd i have seen a list of work ovh but i don't see anything for today or yesterday .. |
| 12:04.54 | quakelive | What do I do if "Device" isn't defined? |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | quakelive: maybe just try to start X? |
| 12:05.20 | g00se | Balthazar: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 12:05.39 | Balthazar | g00se it's 0 |
| 12:05.50 | g00se | Balthazar: Think should be 1 |
| 12:06.04 | g00se | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-setup-multi-homing-networking.html |
| 12:06.20 | Balthazar | but alsd i have installed yesterday openvpn and when i've seen this problem i've uninstall it |
| 12:06.37 | g00se | Balthazar: Try anyway echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:06.55 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i mean can i use the rsync client on one end and just connect to a ssh server without having to install rsync on the other? |
| 12:06.56 | alsd | g00se: ip forwarding is for routers |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | Gratz474: yes |
| 12:07.39 | Gratz474 | ok thats good |
| 12:07.51 | Gratz474 | still will work the same way |
| 12:07.52 | g00se | alsd: Generally of course, yes |
| 12:07.54 | alsd | Balthazar: so your dedicated server has multiple IP addresses on one physical interface, right? |
| 12:07.55 | Gratz474 | can i still use compression? |
| 12:07.59 | Gratz474 | abrotman, ^ |
| 12:08.06 | Balthazar | yes alsd |
| 12:08.19 | abrotman | Gratz474: i'd assume so, but unless both machines are sufficiently fast, you'll be slowing it down |
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| 12:08.50 | Gratz474 | abrotman, both are fast |
| 12:08.58 | abrotman | so try it |
| 12:09.15 | abrotman | Gratz474: if this is a one type copy, it'd probably be faster to tar it up and then scp it down |
| 12:09.19 | abrotman | erm .. one time |
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| 12:10.31 | alsd | Balthazar: what's your setup exactly? i don't quite get the problem |
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| 12:12.06 | jelly | abrotman: rsync over ssh needs rsync on the other side, too |
| 12:12.35 | Balthazar | i have multiple IP addresses and when i wan't to use one, they're redirected to my main IP addresse |
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| 12:12.56 | sander_ | Aint multiple ips with diffrent netmask requiring some kinda routing module in the kernel? |
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| 12:14.02 | alsd | sander_: only on the router side |
| 12:14.34 | alsd | Balthazar: if you use any of the machine's IP locally, they're all redirected to lo interface anyway |
| 12:14.48 | alsd | Balthazar: so i guess you mean from an outside machine? |
| 12:14.59 | Balthazar | yes outside |
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| 12:15.12 | molly88 | Why is it that when you do a dd command (such as dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda) the hard drive activity led does not blink? |
| 12:15.31 | abrotman | jelly: yes, but i guess i thought he meant like a daemon running |
| 12:15.45 | abrotman | jelly: Gratz474 is still here .. tlel him@! |
| 12:15.50 | abrotman | and fix my keyboard :( |
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| 12:16.00 | sander_ | alsd, sure about that?.. I remember I set up two ips with two diffrent default gateways.. and then all traffic went trough one of the gateways |
| 12:16.43 | quakelive | How do I update my system? |
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| 12:17.08 | alsd | sander_: you can't have 2 default gateways, because it's the route taken when there's no other one explicitly specified |
| 12:17.09 | Gratz474 | jelly: does it really?' |
| 12:17.20 | Gratz474 | so i need rsync on both ends? |
| 12:17.21 | alsd | sander_: at least for a given interface |
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| 12:17.26 | jelly | Gratz474: installed, yes. |
| 12:17.30 | abrotman | Gratz474: it requires the rsync program installed on both ends |
| 12:17.32 | Gratz474 | hmmm |
| 12:17.34 | faber4 | hi everybody - whats the fastest http server in debian for serving static files ( images ). i need virtual host support but thats it. |
| 12:17.39 | sander_ | alsd, I had two network cards |
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| 12:17.53 | alsd | sander_: in this case there's only one |
| 12:18.02 | sander_ | alsd: OK |
| 12:18.09 | mischief | faber4, does it matter that much? i imagine any would be as good as the other. |
| 12:18.10 | abrotman | Gratz474: my fault, i misunderstood your question |
| 12:18.16 | Balthazar | do you thing it can come from route alsd ? |
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| 12:18.40 | alsd | Balthazar: maybe, or might also be some router on the path |
| 12:18.43 | Gratz474 | i dont have root access to install it |
| 12:18.46 | alsd | Balthazar: what does route say? |
| 12:18.49 | Gratz474 | but i would like to use rsync |
| 12:18.56 | molly88 | Why is it that when you do a dd command (such as dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda) the hard drive activity led does not blink? |
| 12:19.10 | quakelive | Does the Identifier in Section "Device" of xorg have to be anything? |
| 12:19.16 | quakelive | or it can be anything I like? |
| 12:19.18 | abrotman | Gratz474: how many times are you going to copy the data ? |
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| 12:19.21 | quakelive | just a name for the card right? |
| 12:19.28 | quakelive | xorg.conf |
| 12:19.31 | abrotman | Gratz474: and are you sure the other machine doesn't already have it installed ? |
| 12:19.31 | Gratz474 | one time |
| 12:19.42 | Gratz474 | its freebsd and i dont think so |
| 12:19.45 | abrotman | Gratz474: just tar up the data and scp it down .. it'll be much easier |
| 12:20.05 | Gratz474 | never used scp |
| 12:20.10 | Gratz474 | why is that better over ssh? |
| 12:20.11 | abrotman | it has a man page |
| 12:20.15 | Balthazar | http://pastealacon.com/3608 alsd |
| 12:20.18 | abrotman | !scp |
| 12:20.18 | dpkg | scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install scponly to restrict commands to scp-users. More infos: <sftp><sshfs> |
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| 12:21.03 | jelly | molly88: deleting your entire drive makes it be 100% loaded, so the light doesn't switch off? |
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| 12:21.28 | molly88 | jelly: No I don't see the hard drive activity LED. I am booted from a live cd when I do the command. |
| 12:21.39 | abrotman | avu: bouncy! |
| 12:21.51 | jelly | molly88: you mean, it's off completely? |
| 12:22.08 | avu | abrotman, sorry, was trying out the irssi silc plugin and got it to segfault a few times :( |
| 12:22.12 | molly88 | jelly: no the power LED is on. but I don't get the blinking light that indicates activity. I'd expect activity if I were writing zeros to it |
| 12:22.29 | quakelive | Yay I rtfm and I succeeded in configuring X |
| 12:22.31 | abrotman | avu: i only noticed because you quit ## :) |
| 12:22.39 | quakelive | man xorg.conf helps |
| 12:22.41 | quakelive | :D |
| 12:22.43 | avu | abrotman, I figured |
| 12:23.09 | alsd | Balthazar: what exactly happens when you use a secondary ip? |
| 12:23.12 | jelly | molly88: I meant the activity light being off. if the drive is working full time, it should be on |
| 12:24.08 | molly88 | jelly: no the light doesn't blink with that dd command |
| 12:24.21 | molly88 | but it does blink if I have a regular OS loaded on the hard drive and it does stuff like read/write |
| 12:24.32 | Balthazar | alsd for example, i have choice 91.121.53.71 for user lala in this server and his ip is main ip 91.121.170.25; all trafic are redirected on main ip |
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| 12:25.14 | jelly | molly88: I've no idea. Does it blink if you read data off it, instead of write? |
| 12:25.33 | jelly | molly88: or if you use a larger block size? |
| 12:25.43 | quakelive | I'm getting â's when I use man when I connect with putty. |
| 12:25.45 | molly88 | jelly: I don't know I would have to reboot to try it |
| 12:25.54 | sander_ | Balthazar, Maybe try out ping -I 91.121.53.71 google.com |
| 12:26.02 | jelly | molly88: why? |
| 12:26.09 | sander_ | ops.. ping -I 91.121.53.71 google.com |
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| 12:26.47 | jelly | molly88: I mean, if you can write stuff on it with now, you should be able to read stuff without rebootin |
| 12:27.02 | alsd | Balthazar: i don't get what you mean... suppose there's a webserver listening on 91.121.53.71:80 and you try to reach it from outside, say http://91.121.53.71/ . would that work as expected? |
| 12:27.50 | Balthazar | yes alsd |
| 12:28.06 | Balthazar | it's only for outgoing connections |
| 12:28.08 | alsd | Balthazar: so I dont understand your problem |
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| 12:28.39 | sander_ | alsd, its when he try to get someone connected with that ip to irc I guess |
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| 12:29.48 | sander_ | alsd, new outgoing connections get the main ip.. |
| 12:29.51 | Balthazar | incoming connections are not disturbed alsd |
| 12:30.23 | Balthazar | not incoming sorry |
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| 12:30.32 | alsd | Balthazar: except if you use a firewall, your software has to be instructed to use that particular originating IP |
| 12:30.37 | alsd | Balthazar: that's not always possible |
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| 12:32.08 | Balthazar | except that I just asked him to use a secondary IP and since yesterday it redirects all alsd |
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| 12:34.28 | alsd | Balthazar: have you been doing security updates? there was one recently modifying the kernel in lenny |
| 12:34.33 | esb | Are there any risks with adding the ubuntu-repo's ? ... I know I did that a few years back to get some non'-free apps.. I'd got a question about that a while ago and couldn't give a straight answear |
| 12:34.41 | alsd | Balthazar: might be the source of your trouble |
| 12:36.12 | abrotman | esb: not recommended, and defintely not supported |
| 12:36.32 | abrotman | esb: what applications are you looking for? |
| 12:36.38 | Balthazar | yes, and i don't have news security updates when i try apt-get update |
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| 12:37.12 | esb | abrotman: Im not looking for anything. I got a question here about that. Personally a just compile myself |
| 12:37.50 | esb | abrotman: I guess he was looking for codecs or drivers etc.. |
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| 12:37.55 | abrotman | esb: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 12:38.46 | alsd | Balthazar: maybe do 'strace -f -e trace=network -o <path-to-logfile> <path-to-binary>' and paste logfile somewhere |
| 12:38.58 | alsd | Balthazar: be sure to hide all sensitive data in logfile |
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| 12:39.41 | hiug | How do I update my system |
| 12:39.42 | hiug | ? |
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| 12:40.26 | alsd | hiug: by using the right tool for the job |
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| 12:42.09 | hikenboot | can anyone tell me from experience if using this command IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=y CC="gcc -DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT -DNV_SIGNAL_STRUCT_RLIM" gets the propriatary nvidia driver running on lenny with xen? |
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| 12:44.48 | Balthazar | sorry but what i put instead of path-to-binary alsd ? |
| 12:45.06 | alsd | Balthazar: the program you want to inspect |
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| 12:45.33 | mesa_booger | hiug: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:45.40 | alsd | Balthazar: i've just been thinking, you can also use tcpdump or wireshark to inspect network connections |
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| 12:46.00 | alsd | Balthazar: but that won't tell you why it's using a faulty ip |
| 12:46.07 | Balthazar | ok alsd |
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| 12:48.02 | alsd | Balthazar: the lines to look for in strace output are the usual suspects of TCP/IP: socket(), bind(), connect(), listen()... |
| 12:48.51 | alsd | Balthazar: TCP/IP programming is far away for me, but a little RTFM wouldn't hurt ;) |
| 12:48.57 | g00se | Balthazar: Anyway, how was this rather complex net setup done in the first place? |
| 12:49.32 | abrotman | mesa_booger: what if he doesn't have sudo configured? |
| 12:49.48 | rgr | Can anyone suggest a fix that has worked for them in getting flv to work properly in debian lenny on a thinkpad with intel graphics. Videos have started running at about 1fps. I cant tell wou when it started only that a year ago it worked fine. |
| 12:49.52 | abrotman | mesa_booger: and he should be using aptitude .. this is NOT ubuntu |
| 12:50.26 | Balthazar | g00se i don't know, maybe because of openvpn's install |
| 12:50.29 | mesa_booger | abrotman: then i guess he's screwed |
| 12:50.39 | abrotman | mesa_booger: because you're giving bad instructions? |
| 12:50.43 | nkuttler | rgr: what do you mean? |
| 12:50.44 | g00se | abrotman: maybe the 'problem' of not having sudo configured ought to be solved first anyway? |
| 12:50.51 | abrotman | g00se: not always .. |
| 12:50.59 | nkuttler | rgr: either mplayer or flashplugin-nonfree.. |
| 12:51.06 | mesa_booger | abrotman: go and lie down for a bit, you're not making any sense |
| 12:51.08 | rgr | nkuttler: what do you mean "what do I mean"? I mean that flv is running at 1 fps. |
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| 12:51.17 | nkuttler | rgr: flvs don't "run" |
| 12:51.19 | rgr | (embedded in iceweasel) |
| 12:51.21 | abrotman | mesa_booger: so you're giving bad instructions, and it's my fault? |
| 12:51.33 | abrotman | you didn't even ask him he wanted to upgrade or to what .. |
| 12:51.34 | rgr | nkuttler: ok, dont worry about trying to help if you want to be pedantic. |
| 12:51.49 | nkuttler | rgr: fine |
| 12:51.56 | abrotman | erm .. how he wanted to upgrade |
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| 12:52.20 | alsd | Balthazar: i don't know about your former setup, but as it is now, from your pastes, as every secondary IP is on a different subnet as the default, it will go through the default gateway |
| 12:52.43 | mesa_booger | abrotman: i'm not going to discuss it any further. are you suggesting he should log in as root is that it ? and maybe apt-get is just plain wrong, and only aptitude should be used ? don't be ridiculous |
| 12:53.12 | g00se | Balthazar: So installing openvpn gave you all that multihoming? |
| 12:53.26 | abrotman | mesa_booger: i'm suggesting that he might not have sudo installed at all .. and the recommended tool for most operations is aptitude .. stop treating everyone's machine like it's yours |
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| 12:53.39 | Balthazar | ahh |
| 12:53.59 | rgr | abrotman: so how come synaptic is installed as default package manager? |
| 12:54.03 | rgr | (GUI) |
| 12:54.04 | abrotman | i really wish people would stop acting like Debian is the same as ubuntu .. and stop giving ubuntu instructions in #debian |
| 12:54.11 | jelly | !why aptitude |
| 12:54.11 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 12:54.12 | Balthazar | g00se yes but i have uninstall it because i think that was the problem |
| 12:54.16 | abrotman | rgr: it's not .. i don't have it installed on servers |
| 12:54.28 | rgr | Who mentioned you? Most people with desktops do. |
| 12:54.31 | g00se | Balthazar: When? |
| 12:54.39 | mesa_booger | abrotman: STOP NOW YOU FUCKING ARSEHOLE. i know more about debian than you EVER fucking will |
| 12:54.43 | abrotman | rgr: and if you don't install the 'gnome' meta package .. and don't install the 'desktop' task, you likely won't have it either |
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| 12:54.52 | lazynes | Evening. Any idea about this problem. I've installed Debian 5.02 to SATA-drive (sda1). I've got Arecas raid-controller which has raid-pool (sdb). When system boot up, grub starts. After grub phase when system is loading /dev /root it jamms. Since somehow it's trying to load /dev /root from sdb |
| 12:54.52 | Balthazar | g00se this morning |
| 12:55.23 | alsd | Balthazar: maybe adding a route for your secondary ips will help? |
| 12:55.29 | rgr | abrotman: so what? Most desktop people do. And MOST howtos use apt-egt too. its nonsense to suggest what you are saying. Ive been usign debian long enough now to now the package manager wars are ridiculous and petty to the extreme. |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | rgr: i haven't used the kde metapackage in a long time, so i can't comment if that also installs synaptic |
| 12:55.34 | Balthazar | http://pastealacon.com/3611 alsd |
| 12:55.40 | rgr | debian default is gnome. |
| 12:55.47 | alsd | Balthazar: i'm no multihoming guru anyway, but there's something weird in the routing table |
| 12:55.53 | g00se | Balthazar: Well i can tell you that mhoming is still working fine for you (inwards at least;-)) |
| 12:55.53 | Balthazar | alsd we can try |
| 12:55.53 | rgr | synaptic is installed asin system menu. |
| 12:56.00 | abrotman | rgr: i'd wager quite a few people using Debian don't use kde or gnome ... |
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| 12:56.12 | rgr | abrotman: what are you talking about. I know they dont. But most do. |
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| 12:56.16 | nkuttler | popcon to the rescue.. |
| 12:56.42 | rgr | Anyway, is synaptic gnome/kde specific? No. |
| 12:56.46 | jelly | rgr: while that's true for a desktop selected install, aptitude is a better choice when it comes to features and dependency resolving |
| 12:56.55 | abrotman | rgr: i'm still not sure about that .. and even if that is the case, they may not use synaptic (i only start it when someone here says they are having an issue with it) |
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| 12:57.20 | alsd | Balthazar: that log is from a server, right? |
| 12:57.22 | g00se | Personally i've never even looked at synaptic and from a few weeks into using Debian, only ever use apt-get on one occasion: apt-get install aptitude |
| 12:57.29 | hakmn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.29 | hakmn | even i gave rw option while mounting |
| 12:57.40 | g00se | ..but only use it at the command line |
| 12:58.06 | faber4 | mischief: i think that the classic apache2 setup is the most powerful, but also the slowest setup to serve static files |
| 12:58.14 | Balthazar | yes alsd but begining is false, look at line 125 |
| 12:58.38 | sander_ | Even if xrandr dosnt work with my "ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]" (bug in xserver-xorg-video-ati).. xinerama works... Weee! |
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| 13:01.14 | alsd | Balthazar: that one seems correct to me, so the irc client is ok |
| 13:01.25 | alsd | Balthazar: seems more like a routing problem |
| 13:01.27 | rgr | abrotman: who cares if they "might not". Many do. aptitude is NOT the defacto manager in Debian whichever way you want to cut it. |
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| 13:01.43 | Balthazar | alsd hum |
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| 13:01.55 | abrotman | rgr: however it is the recommended .. certainly over synaptic .. and is far better at problem resolution than apt-get |
| 13:02.18 | Balthazar | alsd it could came from route instructions of openvpn ? |
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| 13:02.42 | alsd | Balthazar: line 125 says "open a TCP connection from address 91.121.53.71, with first available TCP port" |
| 13:02.50 | alsd | Balthazar: so it's ok |
| 13:03.24 | sander_ | alsd, where is that log file? I was offline for a while now |
| 13:03.25 | alsd | Balthazar: i don't know about openvpn |
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| 13:03.36 | alsd | sander_: http://pastealacon.com/3611 |
| 13:03.41 | Balthazar | ok |
| 13:03.56 | alsd | Balthazar: but your routing table doesn't know about secondary ips |
| 13:04.11 | Balthazar | alsd we can try |
| 13:04.12 | alsd | Balthazar: so maybe it's rerouting to the only one it knows, the main one |
| 13:05.11 | alsd | Balthazar: your main ip is in 91.121.170/24 network, has an entry in the routing table |
| 13:05.22 | Balthazar | no |
| 13:05.27 | Balthazar | it's 91.121.170.25 |
| 13:05.35 | Balthazar | yes |
| 13:05.35 | alsd | Balthazar: yeah sorry |
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| 13:06.04 | alsd | Balthazar: but every other one has no routing information |
| 13:06.35 | alsd | Balthazar: i don't know what happens then, but i suspect it gets rewritten to the default ip then |
| 13:06.59 | alsd | Balthazar: what does 'tcpdump -i eth0' say when you connect? |
| 13:08.20 | Balthazar | when i'm conenct ? |
| 13:08.36 | alsd | Balthazar: yes, when you do the same as for the strace log |
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| 13:09.21 | Lovecraft | Soon I shall have understanding of video cassette recorders and car telephones. And when I have understanding of them, I shall have understanding of computers. And when I have understanding of computers, I shall be the Supreme Being! |
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| 13:11.12 | Balthazar | he write nothing |
| 13:12.08 | Night_Elf | I have setup a very basic samba server. From linux, I can browse the share there via Nautilus using smb://192.168.1.55 but when from a windows machine, when I try \\192.168.1.55 it asks me for a username and password. What can this be ? |
| 13:12.24 | alsd | Balthazar: are there firewall rules in action? as in 'iptables -L' or 'iptables -L -t nat' ? |
| 13:12.26 | Night_Elf | the server is debian 5.0 |
| 13:12.56 | abrotman | does it work if you enter the username/password |
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| 13:13.11 | Night_Elf | abrotman: I haven't set any |
| 13:13.23 | alsd | Balthazar: sometimes tcpdump output is quite not realtime, meaning it takes ages to appear, go figure why |
| 13:13.32 | Balthazar | yes alsd i think, look : http://pastealacon.com/3613 |
| 13:14.20 | scream_ | alsd, it tries to resolve reverse DNS names int the background |
| 13:14.22 | Balthazar | ah ok |
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| 13:16.34 | woshty | Night_Elf: do u use guest ok = yes? |
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| 13:16.54 | woshty | Night_Elf: .. and security = share? |
| 13:17.01 | alsd | Balthazar: gotta go, have to work too, sometimes... |
| 13:17.10 | lazynes | Night_Elf: smbpasswd :) |
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| 13:17.27 | Night_Elf | woshty: guest ok = yes I do use. I haven't set any security = share |
| 13:17.33 | alsd | Balthazar: maybe i'll be able to reconnect from work. try asking ovh support too, they might help |
| 13:17.42 | Balthazar | ok |
| 13:17.47 | Night_Elf | lazynes: I'll look at it now too |
| 13:17.50 | Balthazar | thanks you alsd |
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| 13:19.53 | Gratz474 | anyone here have experience in how thousands of servers bruteforce trying to get access? |
| 13:20.00 | hakmn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.01 | hakmn | even i gave rw option while mounting |
| 13:20.16 | Gratz474 | my server was compermised |
| 13:20.34 | woshty | hakmn: use -t ntfs-3g with mount |
| 13:20.42 | Gratz474 | andi can see in the auth.log alot of failed ateempts from other poeple |
| 13:20.48 | Gratz474 | but the user that got in got it right the first time |
| 13:20.57 | hakmn | Gratz474, ya i gave everything |
| 13:21.03 | abrotman | Gratz474: that wasn't by luck |
| 13:21.12 | Gratz474 | yea hmmm? |
| 13:21.15 | hakmn | but it allows me to copy from dirc. but nor write into it |
| 13:21.22 | Gratz474 | i mean lol? |
| 13:21.24 | hakmn | woshty, |
| 13:21.26 | Gratz474 | where do i start? |
| 13:21.27 | abrotman | Gratz474: he sniffed it from somewhere |
| 13:21.33 | Gratz474 | think so? |
| 13:21.46 | g00se | Balthazar: If openvpn did do all that multihoming and you removed it, you should probably purge it too, then perhaps reinstall |
| 13:22.01 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i am pretty sure i am secure over here |
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| 13:22.38 | woshty | hakmn: yes? ;) |
| 13:22.57 | Gratz474 | abrotman, what would you suggest? |
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| 13:23.11 | hakmn | woshty, then what to do/ |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | reinstalling and restoring from a known good backup |
| 13:23.55 | Gratz474 | i completely re installed it |
| 13:24.09 | Gratz474 | but i am just wondering how he got it in the first place |
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| 13:24.55 | woshty | hakmn: mount -t ntfs-3g volume mountpoint .. and you have rw access |
| 13:24.58 | Gratz474 | abrotman, it was a verrry simple pass though |
| 13:25.01 | abrotman | Gratz474: he probably sniffed your password from a system you use |
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| 13:25.13 | abrotman | Gratz474: even simple over ssh usually requires more than one attempt |
| 13:25.22 | Gratz474 | the system was less then 24 hours old when compermised |
| 13:25.36 | woshty | hakmn: ntfs-3g is in a package called ntfs-3g btw :) |
| 13:25.51 | hakmn | woshty, i gave it already like this--mount -t ntfs /dev/sda6 /media/**** -o rw,umask=000 |
| 13:26.00 | yeisen | sorry if this is off topic... what does anyone think of debian 5 vs debian 4???? |
| 13:26.04 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i mean it was therootpass was the passwrod |
| 13:26.10 | abrotman | yeisen: in what way? |
| 13:26.18 | Gratz474 | you dont think it could have been a automated thing that got it right? |
| 13:26.19 | abrotman | Gratz474: that's kind of basic |
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| 13:26.31 | abrotman | Gratz474: it's for a VPS? maybe they set them all the same |
| 13:26.40 | Balthazar | g00se ok i try purge |
| 13:26.42 | Gratz474 | it was something I set |
| 13:26.46 | woshty | hakmn: -t ntfs uses the inkernel stuff .. ntfs-3g ist fuse based .. |
| 13:27.01 | hakmn | ok |
| 13:27.06 | Gratz474 | still the only thing that is worrying me is the abrotman first time thing |
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| 13:27.16 | yeisen | abrotman... is there as big of a package selection as was in deb4... is the basic usage the same or similar? |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | yeisen: pretty much the same |
| 13:27.50 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 13:27.52 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 13:28.01 | abrotman | wonders if judd can do that |
| 13:28.22 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18609 packages, 1733 maintainers, 41582 MB installed size, 13683 MB compressed size. |
| 13:28.25 | yeisen | does flash support come with or am i going to have to compile a bunch of stuff to get it to work like in 4? |
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| 13:28.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59039 MB installed size, 20845 MB compressed size. |
| 13:28.34 | abrotman | yeisen: it's not a compile .. |
| 13:28.52 | abrotman | yeisen: you can get a flash package from debian-multimedia.org .. or do it yourself with stuff from adobe.com |
| 13:29.20 | hakmn | woshty, it says ntfs-3g as unknown filesystem |
| 13:29.21 | yeisen | thx |
| 13:29.36 | Gratz474 | abrotman, it was actually accepted before that as well, just i guess no one ever got around to it there |
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| 13:30.05 | abrotman | Gratz474: well, hopefully you'll pick a better default passwd .. like fa;jsef452FFE### |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | oh crap .. |
| 13:30.13 | abrotman | goes to change passwords |
| 13:30.25 | Gratz474 | abrotman, but do you think that could have been it ? |
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| 13:30.34 | Gratz474 | how much does auth.log save? |
| 13:30.39 | abrotman | Gratz474: could have, or perhaps you didn't get all your security updates |
| 13:30.49 | Gratz474 | it is debian 5 brand new |
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| 13:31.14 | yeisen | still w/ any distro... brand new... check for updates.... |
| 13:31.29 | abrotman | Gratz474: there are still security updates ... /msg dpkg dsa |
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| 13:31.53 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 13:32.29 | hakmn | woshty, |
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| 13:32.47 | hakmn | woshty, it says ntfs-3g as unknown filesystem |
| 13:33.16 | Gratz474 | actually i think i found it |
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| 13:34.10 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i found out how it was done |
| 13:34.14 | yeisen | i got the hd-media kernel/initrd/bootimg from deb's site... changed part of my fedora8 grub to load those off my data partion with the intentions of loading the netinst iso because i dont have a cddrive on my tablet... does anyone think there will be a problem w/ that?? |
| 13:34.50 | woshty | hakmn: install the package ntfs-3g |
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| 13:34.58 | hakmn | woshty, ok |
| 13:35.59 | woshty | hakmn: if u have debian stock kernel, fuse should be available and ntfs-3g should work |
| 13:36.40 | Gratz474 | abrotman, looks like thee was a few thousand tries from a single ip, and then when it got it right after that they logged in and the previous brute force attempts stopped, doenst that make sense ? |
| 13:36.45 | hakmn | woshty, thanks a lot |
| 13:36.56 | abrotman | Gratz474: i guess it does |
| 13:36.59 | hakmn | woshty, it works well now |
| 13:37.32 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i mean right after the bruteforce got it right, they stopped, |
| 13:37.42 | Gratz474 | and logged in from a different ip |
| 13:37.50 | Gratz474 | and got it right the first time |
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| 13:38.06 | hakmn | woshty, germans are really cool, i like them |
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| 13:38.49 | woshty | hakmn: you are welcome |
| 13:38.55 | hakmn | woshty, it works perfectly now |
| 13:39.28 | hakmn | woshty, could you tell me how does ntfs-3g package gave me write permissions ?? |
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| 13:42.18 | woshty | hakmn: ntfs-3g is a completely different implementation from the normal ntfs support inside the kernel .. it is "another program" which has "safer" write support that is enabled by default |
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| 13:43.02 | hakmn | woshty, was it introduced in 2.6 kernels or before also ? |
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| 13:44.12 | woshty | hakmn: ntfs-3g is quite new. it uses fuse on the kernel side. there is detailed information on http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 13:44.32 | hakmn | thanks a lot woshty |
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| 13:46.10 | sander_ | How can I securly upgrade a sarge distro to lenny? |
| 13:46.34 | sander_ | None of my apt sarge mirrors are working |
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| 13:47.54 | abrotman | sander_: archive.debian.org .. and you should be using at least etch, and really should be using lenny |
| 13:48.02 | woshty | sander_: how are you trying to upgrade? |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | sander_: sarge hasn't had security updates since The Last Supper |
| 13:48.28 | rudi_s | !tell sander_ about sarge->lenny |
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| 13:49.19 | sander_ | OK. Thanks |
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| 13:51.13 | crisperguy | whats a good way to set things up in case an NIS server breaks? |
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| 13:51.55 | crisperguy | can u simply have a redundant server it falls back on? |
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| 13:52.20 | abrotman | crisperguy: been awhile since i used NIS, but i believe so |
| 13:52.35 | crisperguy | abrotman, where would i find information on setting this up |
| 13:52.53 | crisperguy | it would have to detect a failure |
| 13:52.53 | abrotman | crisperguy: IIRC Sun has pretty good NIS+ docs |
| 13:52.55 | crisperguy | and nobody can login |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=configure+NIS%2B+failover&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | crisperguy: but why not use ldap? |
| 13:53.50 | crisperguy | not familiar with it, whats it do? |
| 13:54.04 | ethanol | so I mounted a smb share on our local debian server onto my ubuntu desktop through fstab: //192.168.1.2/www /network/www cifs credentials=/home/rob/.smbcredentials 0 0 |
| 13:54.20 | ethanol | but it tries to identify remote users on that system using local uid/gid |
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| 13:54.28 | ethanol | why is this? |
| 13:54.37 | Gratz474 | is fail2ban like the standard of banning bruteforcers? |
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| 13:54.52 | Gratz474 | or is there any other apps like it too? |
| 13:55.00 | ethanol | as in, folders on the share are identified as mine (uid=1000) whereas uid=1000 on that server is someone else |
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| 13:55.38 | abrotman | Gratz474: yes |
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| 13:55.57 | Gratz474 | any other apps that are better or is it good enough? |
| 13:56.12 | Gratz474 | i dont like the fact it runs in python almost makes it seem like it could be a performance problem? |
| 13:56.16 | Gratz474 | well maybe not |
| 13:56.22 | abrotman | it's the one most people use |
| 13:56.37 | ethanol | I'm really confused as to how I can get these shares working properly. |
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| 13:56.47 | ethanol | I can't edit anything in my own folders now :< |
| 13:57.34 | Gratz474 | abrotman, are there any better though? hehe |
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| 13:58.34 | Hellscream | diff between debian and ubuntu packages? |
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| 13:58.57 | abrotman | Gratz474: i think you'll be fine with it |
| 13:59.05 | abrotman | Hellscream: lots? they have chagnelogs .. look for yourself |
| 13:59.05 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 13:59.08 | abrotman | changelogs |
| 13:59.33 | Hans_the_german | people on the net are saying "say away from ubuntu as an internet server" but debian is rock solid? |
| 13:59.33 | Gratz474 | i like python alot abrotman but sometimes i feel for resoucre intense stuff its not the best, then again this is not resoucr intense huh .... |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | Hans_the_german: so try it, and see for yourself (our opinion here might be biased) |
| 13:59.59 | Hellscream | and debian packages doesn't? sorry "newbie" to linux... |
| 14:00.03 | ethanol | anyone able to help me? |
| 14:00.11 | abrotman | Hellscream: debian packages don't what ? |
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| 14:00.11 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps is it ok if I post my ip and somebody to port map it from the out side? I got ports I need to know if my isp is blocking my mail |
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| 14:00.23 | Hellscream | changelogs? |
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| 14:00.54 | abrotman | Hellscream: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/bash/bash_3.2-4/changelog .. for instance |
| 14:02.05 | g00se | bbelt16ag: Why would they be doing that? |
| 14:02.14 | bbelt16ag | I don't know |
| 14:02.18 | bbelt16ag | its comcast.. |
| 14:02.35 | Hellscream | abrotman: ok, i see... but ive seen that ubuntu shouldnt use debian repos, thou ubuntu is debian based, just wanted to know why its not possible? |
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| 14:02.59 | abrotman | Hellscream: because they're different operating systems .. |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: yes, they block it |
| 14:03.18 | g00se | bbelt16ag: Why do you think that's what they might be doing? |
| 14:03.19 | bbelt16ag | yeah I see that the bastards |
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| 14:03.38 | bbelt16ag | 25 is blocked |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: i think outgoing and incoming |
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| 14:05.26 | g00se | bbelt16ag: Why does an ISP block mail from its users? |
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| 14:06.03 | Hellscream | anyway, is the whole debian repo on the 5 dvd set? |
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| 14:06.14 | bbelt16ag | why does a duck cross the road? |
| 14:06.18 | bbelt16ag | cause it can.. |
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| 14:06.53 | khaije|amalt | g00se: usually it's explained as an attempt to prevent users from being spam-generaters |
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| 14:07.08 | abrotman | g00se: so you don't run your own mail server, and you don't spam the rest of the wold |
| 14:07.09 | abrotman | world |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | Hellscream: you don't need all five DVDs to install |
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| 14:07.56 | Hellscream | i know... but what i want to know, is all the packages which are in the repo on the 5 dvds? |
| 14:08.07 | bbelt16ag | but can we pay for it? |
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| 14:08.19 | bbelt16ag | use our own server get bussiness class and use it then.. |
| 14:08.42 | g00se | Oh i see. When mailing is happening independently of their mail systems. That makes sense |
| 14:08.46 | ethanol | come on guys, can anyone help me with smb shares? |
| 14:08.56 | bbelt16ag | what's wrong ethanol? |
| 14:09.02 | abrotman | Hellscream: the ones in 'main' yes |
| 14:09.04 | bbelt16ag | go to #samba they help you |
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| 14:09.20 | Hellscream | and viotile (spelling)? |
| 14:09.22 | abrotman | ethanol: you might try #samba or ##linux if no one answers here |
| 14:09.33 | abrotman | Hellscream: probably not on those DVDs .. wouldn't make much sense |
| 14:09.34 | ethanol | I mounted a smb share on our debian server onto my ubuntu desktop. but when I browse it through terminal, it tries to match remote owner/group id's to my local ones |
| 14:09.46 | Zed1 | That's expected, ethanol. |
| 14:09.46 | ethanol | so everything is displayed wrong |
| 14:09.59 | ethanol | yeah but I also can't create new files and stuff |
| 14:10.14 | Zed1 | You need to synchronize your UID mapping between the two machines if you want to mount remote filesystems and have permissions work. |
| 14:10.17 | ethanol | while everything works fine if I just open a file browsers to smb:// |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | Hellscream: please do not msg me |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | Hellscream: if you burn it to a DVD, and you use it to install later, it wouldn't be very volatile would it? |
| 14:10.50 | Hellscream | abrotman, ok.... |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | ethanol: you might be able to pass a username/password to your mount command |
| 14:11.18 | ethanol | I am |
| 14:11.29 | ethanol | /192.168.1.2/www /network/www cifs credentials=/home/rob/.smbcredentials 0 0 |
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| 14:11.46 | ethanol | I'm not getting any errors or warnings when I mount it |
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| 14:11.53 | ethanol | I can browse everything |
| 14:12.04 | sander_ | How do I see which distro I have installed.. I got sarge all over my sources.list |
| 14:12.11 | sander_ | ops.. not sarge.. "stable" |
| 14:12.31 | abrotman | sander_: if you think you installed sarge, first complete the sarge->etch instructions |
| 14:12.33 | sander_ | I suspect I have sarge installed |
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| 14:12.47 | sander_ | abrotman, ok. |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | !tell sander_ about version |
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| 14:13.15 | lesshaste | seria-mau, hi |
| 14:13.47 | sander_ | abrotman, libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | that's the one from etch |
| 14:14.09 | sander_ | and it says 4.0 |
| 14:14.23 | abrotman | sander_: just make sure you've finished the dist-upgrade from sarge->etch |
| 14:14.33 | sander_ | Ok |
| 14:14.35 | ethanol | abrotman: the weird thing is, terminal allows me to create folders inside folders that aren't owned by me (well, uid = 1000 remote and I am 1000 local, so I guess it 'thinks' that I own them), but it doesn't allow me to create files or folders in my own directories (cause those have uid = 1005 on the remote machine) |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | sander_: point your sources at 'etch' and not 'stable' and complete it |
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| 14:17.51 | miickee | gsimmons: Yeah, no difference :( |
| 14:18.31 | sander_ | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 14:18.41 | sander_ | I get this error when I do: apt-get update |
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| 14:20.03 | adb | !key |
| 14:20.04 | dpkg | somebody said key was Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 14:20.05 | liable | !pubkey 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 14:20.36 | liable | bah, theres a factoid that spews out the gpg command to get it. my feable brain doesnt recall it.. |
| 14:21.11 | abrotman | !apt-key 55BE302B |
| 14:21.12 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 55BE302B ; gpg --export 55BE302B | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:21.20 | abrotman | except without the bold whatever |
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| 14:21.37 | abrotman | sander_: you probably need to install the debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:22.00 | ethanol | abrotman: hrm, adding uid=1000 seems to solve my issue. it shows everything as being owned by me, even though I don't, but at least it lets me edit/save/create everything now |
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| 14:23.30 | pirx | OpenTokix: how would you go about doing a dd to install a system onto several servers? do a dd from the source system to a dvd, and then use that? |
| 14:23.49 | OpenTokix | pirx: install one machine |
| 14:24.04 | OpenTokix | then pull out the other 15 drives and boot from knoppix or some other live-cd |
| 14:24.21 | OpenTokix | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 14:24.25 | sander_ | abrotman, works :-) |
| 14:24.51 | lazynes | Evening. Any idea about this problem. I've installed Debian 5.02 to SATA-drive (sda1). I've got Arecas raid-controller which has raid-pool (sdb). When system boot up, grub starts. After grub phase when system is loading /dev /root it jamms. Since somehow it's trying to load /dev /root from sdb.. |
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| 14:25.38 | dagek | how can I deactivate spindown park a hd? |
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| 14:29.44 | g00se | pirx: partimage? |
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| 14:30.11 | psteyn | is there any way to determin when the next fsck force check is going to happen? (on boot) |
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| 14:32.09 | azeem | psteyn: maybe something like "tune2fs -l /dev/foo | grep ount.count" |
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| 14:36.27 | Joelio | Anybody know what package strings is in? |
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| 14:36.37 | azeem | Joelio: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:36.56 | L33ckma | hi all |
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| 14:37.33 | L33ckma | i have some issues when tryin to chroot a fresh install of bind9 on lenny |
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| 14:37.49 | firespeaker | what happened to mkinitrd? |
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| 14:38.36 | Joelio | azeem : 15:43 <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:38.45 | L33ckma | it seems that the daemon haven't good rights for opening named.conf |
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| 14:40.31 | zxd | Hi |
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| 14:40.34 | zxd | what is up |
| 14:40.48 | zxd | IPSEC under debian, are there howtos ? |
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| 14:43.38 | Joelio | Seriously, does anyone know where the binary 'strings' is located? The one for finding text trings within a binary? |
| 14:43.41 | firespeaker | oh, mkinitrd → mkinitramfs? |
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| 14:44.29 | Joelio | Ahh binutils |
| 14:45.05 | firespeaker | see, we come in here and ask and then end up answering our own questions |
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| 14:45.46 | firespeaker | oh, it's morning in North America, so no one's here |
| 14:45.51 | firespeaker | *awake |
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| 14:48.49 | Kingstone | hey guys, anyone here knows apt? i have a question regarding getting out information on installed packages |
| 14:49.11 | g00se | Some of use might have heard of it |
| 14:49.23 | g00se | s/use/us |
| 14:49.42 | g00se | !ask |
| 14:49.42 | Kingstone | i want to get the list of installed packages (dpkg) on a system |
| 14:49.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:50.05 | Kingstone | i'm not on debian, but i use the debian packaging system, i'm on mac osx |
| 14:50.06 | g00se | dpkg -l |
| 14:50.06 | dpkg | g00se: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:50.56 | zak__ | how to open a vnc session from konsole |
| 14:51.01 | g00se | 'dpkg -l' |
| 14:51.06 | L33ckma | is there any bind guru out there? :) |
| 14:51.51 | Kingstone | g00se, thx, but i was meaning programatically, as you know there is a library apt-pkg that you can compile for any platform |
| 14:52.04 | Kingstone | i want to use its functions to get that information |
| 14:53.03 | g00se | Kingstone: Either invoke it programmatically or look at the source for dpkg |
| 14:53.03 | azeem | Joelio: works for me, maybe you made a typo |
| 14:53.15 | L33ckma | http://paste.debian.net/41153/ |
| 14:54.06 | L33ckma | user bind have good rights on /var/chroot/bind9/etc/bind/named.conf |
| 14:54.15 | L33ckma | *has |
| 14:54.31 | L33ckma | and i don't use apparmor |
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| 14:55.54 | L33ckma | even if there a policy in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.named (i've also edited it for having good rights on the chrooted env) |
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| 15:02.08 | SpeeFak | moin |
| 15:02.40 | SpeeFak | hat jmd ein dist update per terminal von debian 4 auf 5 mal versucht |
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| 15:03.19 | SpeeFak | bin mir nicht sicher ob das bei der tv-box ( s100) so einfach zu machen inst und wie der terminla befehl ist bzw ob das per ssh zu machen ist |
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| 15:05.02 | abrotman | !de |
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| 15:05.15 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:05.57 | redtime | !cz |
| 15:05.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
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| 15:09.00 | zxd | is http://wiki.debian.org/IPsec upto date? |
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| 15:11.01 | SpeeFak | ooh ups is english ;) |
| 15:11.07 | adb | IPsec (last edited 2009-03-16 03:30:27 by localhost) |
| 15:11.22 | adb | zxd> |
| 15:11.26 | SpeeFak | well i want to update my debian 4.0 systen to debian 5.0 via ssh session |
| 15:11.31 | zxd | report in |
| 15:11.55 | SpeeFak | can i do that or isnt it possible via ssh remote session |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | !tell SpeeFak about etch->lenny |
| 15:12.20 | abrotman | !tell SpeeFak about lenny release notes |
| 15:12.23 | jelly | !+tell SpeeFak -a ... aw, crap |
| 15:12.24 | dpkg | No, #debian, I won't. (target invalid?) |
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| 15:13.19 | setesat | hello |
| 15:14.01 | SpeeFak | ahh thx |
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| 15:14.51 | setesat | which KDE version is available under lenny ? |
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| 15:15.57 | abrotman | setesat: 3.5.x |
| 15:16.24 | setesat | how can I install 4.2 ? |
| 15:16.32 | abrotman | setesat: ask #debian-kde |
| 15:16.44 | setesat | ok thank you |
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| 15:20.04 | sander_ | aptitude -y -s -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade <-- This command tells me I need 384MB of archives.. but I only got 98MB of free space in /var to download the packages |
| 15:20.16 | sander_ | What should I then do? |
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| 15:20.49 | sander_ | trying to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 15:20.56 | Phasy13 | sander_ buy yourself a hard disk controller |
| 15:21.04 | funky | or don't upgrade |
| 15:21.05 | Roconda | sander_: did you already do apt-get clean? |
| 15:21.11 | funky | or get some room in your current hd |
| 15:21.12 | sander_ | Roconda, yes |
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| 15:21.36 | abrotman | sander_: do it without recommends |
| 15:21.38 | Roconda | removed old logfiles? |
| 15:21.54 | sander_ | Roconda, maybe not. |
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| 15:22.03 | sander_ | abrotman, whats that? |
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| 15:22.20 | abrotman | you typed the command ... |
| 15:23.02 | sander_ | abrotman, yeah.. I'm just trying to follow every step in the guide.. to make sure I do it correctly.. dont want to break anything |
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| 15:24.59 | jpinx | sander_: I did a sarge -> etch a couple of months ago - it's delicate ;) |
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| 15:27.54 | sander_ | jpinx, cool :-) |
| 15:28.33 | jpinx | sander_: stick totally to the guide - it worked for me |
| 15:29.10 | sander_ | I managed to free 200mb of space.. but i'm still missing 100mb to get 384mb free |
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| 15:35.01 | sander_ | abrotman, same thingie happend when I typed the command without recommends: Need to get 384MB of archives. After unpacking 355MB will be used. |
| 15:35.38 | sander_ | /dev/hda3 464M 150M 290M 35% /var |
| 15:35.48 | sander_ | Thats my /var partition |
| 15:36.09 | sander_ | onlu 290 free |
| 15:36.12 | sander_ | only* |
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| 15:37.07 | sander_ | Ok.. i'll try to remove some packages |
| 15:37.16 | sander_ | As it states in the guide |
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| 15:38.35 | jpinx | sander_: locales to purge unused languages etc |
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| 15:47.03 | alsd | re-hi |
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| 15:51.21 | Vaske_Helper | Can anybody guide me to install new Firefox, Flash, java and RealPlayer on fresh Debian installation? |
| 15:51.44 | azeem | Vaske_Helper: what do you mean with "new"? |
| 15:51.54 | Vaske_Helper | latest stable :) |
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| 15:52.06 | azeem | Vaske_Helper: the version in Debian's stable release? |
| 15:52.18 | cantoma | Vaske_Helper, have you tried to apt-get install? |
| 15:52.47 | Vaske_Helper | No I did not, do i have to enable something to get third party files first or? |
| 15:52.51 | craigevil | Vaske_Helper: firefox=iceweasel and the other apps you need debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list |
| 15:52.55 | azeem | Vaske_Helper: apt-get install iceweasel default-jre |
| 15:52.59 | azeem | for Firefox and Java |
| 15:53.04 | azeem | for the others, no idea, they are non-free |
| 15:53.07 | craigevil | !tell Vaske_Helper about dmm |
| 15:53.52 | ajavid | zinx, ping |
| 15:53.55 | sander_ | Now I removed 130mb of packages.. and I got: Need to get 398MB of archives. After unpacking 516MB will be used. |
| 15:53.57 | cantoma | Vaske_Helper, you can also find realplayer in debian-multimedia |
| 15:54.01 | sander_ | Which is more mb to download |
| 15:54.03 | sander_ | :-( |
| 15:54.27 | Vaske_Helper | if I download latest RealPlayer 11 what extension it should have and how to install? |
| 15:54.40 | Vaske_Helper | .deb is the right one? |
| 15:55.08 | craigevil | Vaske_Helper: you dont, add the dmm repo and aptitude install realplayer |
| 15:55.19 | cantoma | Vaske_Helper, so if everything is in the repository what is the problem regarding extensions? |
| 15:55.42 | NiLon | doesn't ff 3.5 have native support for flash or something? |
| 15:56.26 | NiLon | oh it was only ogg |
| 15:56.32 | Vaske_Helper | easy guys im still learining Linux :) |
| 15:56.42 | Vaske_Helper | let me do these and I will be back |
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| 15:58.16 | hugo_ | not sure why but it seems lenny does not detect my 6GB bytes ram. top just says it's only 4G bytes. is there any known issue on debian's side? |
| 15:58.28 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: you normally do *not* download and install - much better to do :~aptitude install <package> |
| 15:58.58 | craigevil | hugo_: are you running 64 bit? |
| 15:59.04 | Vaske_Helper | I know that from ubuntu |
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| 15:59.26 | hugo_ | craigevil: yea |
| 15:59.51 | hugo_ | craigevil: lenny amd64 here |
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| 16:02.29 | WDC | hello |
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| 16:02.55 | WDC | I just switched over from Ubuntu 9.04, and I am having trouble remounting my ecryptfs filesystem that my /home/david directory was stored in |
| 16:03.05 | WDC | Can someone please help? |
| 16:03.20 | hugo_ | craigevil: so you just know that limitation on 32-bit ? |
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| 16:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | WDC, I doubt I can - but as to be helpful... nobody will if you don't ask a concrete question |
| 16:04.47 | WDC | What is the syntax to mount an old ecryptfs ~/.Private directory so I can get my many files? |
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| 16:08.28 | bullgard4 | Does http://paste.debian.net/41167 give a hint why I have only an unidirectional connection to sip:500@ekiga.net? |
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| 16:10.10 | gadius | hello, I have a micro that works perfectly with audacity, but using skype appears noise, there is some solution for that? I have touched alsamixer enough, but it continues |
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| 16:13.25 | gadius | nobody? |
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| 16:14.51 | gadius | hello, I have a micro that works perfectly with audacity, but using skype appears noise, there is some solution for that? I have touched alsamixer enough, but it continues (for those who are accesing now) |
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| 16:16.23 | micols | if i want to resize a dmcrypt device with lvm, will it then be as secure? i only filled the first block device 100% with random data, not the resized block device? |
| 16:16.26 | micols | so people would be able to see that the data is not at the end of the device if i dont fill it with random data when resizing? |
| 16:16.49 | gadius | well, thanks |
| 16:17.01 | gadius | I'll continue searching xD |
| 16:17.05 | gadius | bye! |
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| 16:23.35 | g00se | I'm never sure about cups: if i'm just a cups client, what are my minimum needs, package-wise? |
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| 16:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | WDC, same as it was on Ubuntu? |
| 16:25.44 | McL0VIN | howdy folks, i got few questions |
| 16:25.49 | ajavid | zinx, http://picpaste.com/irssi.working.png <- it shows all refnum keybindings. It also spans multiple lines if you resize window or if too many channels on line. It also allows you to make each channel box static width, or keep it like this like how I have it, channel activity is displayed, totally 110% customizable. Yes it supports upto any number of refnum windows, however, in order to show the actual keybinding, one must set the keybindings ... |
| 16:25.56 | McL0VIN | is there is a Debian Life CD? |
| 16:25.56 | ajavid | ... beforehand. I have bound 1-0, q-p, a-l, z-m (and I have not yet run out of windows). When I do, I'll worry about it then. As for upto 50 windows, all supported, no breakage, fully working. Though in order to see refnum, again, you have to bind them. |
| 16:26.00 | alsd | Balthazar: figured out about your multi-ip problem yet? |
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| 16:26.27 | WDC | CutMeOwnThroat, what do you mean the same as? |
| 16:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, no |
| 16:26.58 | ajavid | zinx, and if you do run out, just do meta + shift + 1-0, q-p, a-l, z-m, so its like alt+shift+(refnum) |
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| 16:27.20 | ajavid | zinx, anyway, since you mentioned it yesterday , thought I'd push it to the limit and see how it holds, and it holds up great. |
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| 16:27.34 | Balthazar | yes alsd already |
| 16:27.56 | bullgard4 | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you for commenting. |
| 16:27.59 | gkffjcs_ | Hi all, sort of esoteric question I guess... what character does the clear command print to clear the console? |
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| 16:28.05 | ajavid | esoteric? |
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| 16:28.16 | ajavid | gkffjcs_, simple |
| 16:28.18 | WDC | ajavid, old |
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| 16:28.32 | iguanna_ | hi all, do anyone know any free software to manage a small company? |
| 16:28.34 | ajavid | gkffjcs_, run xev in console, type the backspace or delete keys |
| 16:28.43 | ajavid | gkffjcs_, it wil show you exactly which keycode was sent |
| 16:28.52 | ajavid | oh nm i totally misunderstoo dyou |
| 16:28.53 | ajavid | wow |
| 16:28.56 | ajavid | i feel retarded now |
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| 16:29.13 | ajavid | gkffjcs_, which irc client? |
| 16:29.21 | ajavid | gkffjcs_, irssi sends /scrollback clear |
| 16:29.26 | McL0VIN | i have a laptop HDD that is going bad, and the OS is M$, the only thing is its one of the new lappy, and there no recovery CDs that came with it, instead , there is a FAT32 14GB partition that contain the recovery portion. i was thinking to use a Live CD and do "dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 bs=4096 conv=notrunc,noerror".Never tried this before so i need you expert opinion |
| 16:29.31 | ajavid | gkffjcs_, I'm not sure abotu any others. |
| 16:29.57 | ajavid | McL0VIN, not supported here. |
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| 16:30.03 | ajavid | McL0VIN, ##windows |
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| 16:30.15 | ajavid | McL0VIN, or ##linux for general linux support |
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| 16:30.48 | ajavid | WDC, whats old? |
| 16:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, it's probably your NAT... and ekigas proxy was flawed for a long time - try a different proxy |
| 16:31.19 | WDC | ajavid, the meaning of esoteric |
| 16:31.29 | ajavid | oh |
| 16:31.39 | ajavid | I always thought it means ancient like in olden times magic and mayhem |
| 16:31.43 | ajavid | didn't it onlyjust meant old. |
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| 16:31.54 | ajavid | i thought esoteric was like an eastern ancient religion thing. |
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| 16:32.00 | ajavid | (I didn't go to school) |
| 16:32.07 | jda2000 | Does anybody know how, on a debian-only iMac g3, to program the hardware for turning on at a set time of the day? |
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| 16:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? That's not what it means in my language... means something like mystic there |
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| 16:33.09 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, esoteric means mystic? |
| 16:33.15 | ajavid | man im gonna go look this up |
| 16:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | me, too |
| 16:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, in German that's what I would try as a close match |
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| 16:33.48 | ajavid | !dict esoteric |
| 16:33.54 | dpkg | Dictionary 'esoteric' (1 of 4): confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle; "a compilation of esoteric philosophical theories" . |
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| 16:34.43 | aboyz | what time does cron run on? 1 0 * * * ? does it run on 12:01 midnight? |
| 16:34.47 | micols | anybody know what happens when i extend an encrypted volume, will it still be secure as when it wasnt extended and the whole block device was filled with /dev/random ? |
| 16:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | leo translates it into German as ... well, esoteric/secret/confidential/ |
| 16:34.53 | bullgard4 | CutMeOwnThroat: Is 'to flaw' a synonym for 'to damage' in your message? (My native language is not English.) |
| 16:35.00 | ajavid | guys |
| 16:35.07 | ajavid | anyway... moving along |
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| 16:35.41 | ajavid | aboyz, uhm |
| 16:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, I mean ekigas stun proxy didn't work for me about a year ago - and I found google hits that it repeatedly hadn't worked 3 years earlier |
| 16:36.03 | \amethyst | bullgard4: "flawed" isn't really a past participle, it just looks like one |
| 16:36.07 | ajavid | aboyz, 1am every 24 hours |
| 16:36.08 | ajavid | ? |
| 16:36.14 | ajavid | i think |
| 16:36.19 | \amethyst | bullgard4: it's an adjective meaning "having flaws" |
| 16:36.23 | aboyz | ajavid. you think? |
| 16:36.29 | ajavid | im going retarded today man |
| 16:36.33 | ajavid | I have not yet had my tea |
| 16:36.45 | ajavid | yes, 1am every 24 hours |
| 16:36.51 | bullgard4 | CutMeOwnThroat, \amethyst Thank you for explaining. |
| 16:36.54 | sander_ | how to I attach myself to this existing screen?: root 31305 0.0 0.3 2524 876 pts/32 S+ 18:42 0:00 screen |
| 16:36.55 | aboyz | possible..? |
| 16:36.59 | aboyz | positive? |
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| 16:37.05 | ajavid | it looks like it man |
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| 16:37.09 | ajavid | 1 0 * * * * * whatever |
| 16:37.17 | \amethyst | bullgard4: though there is an uncommonly-used verb "to flaw" meaning "to cause flaws" |
| 16:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jda2000, turning on hardware hasn't got anything to do with linux... in some PCs you can choose wake-up time in the BIOS, no idea about macs |
| 16:37.19 | jpinx | sander_: screen -rAad |
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| 16:37.21 | ajavid | 1 hour, 0 minuts, months, days weeks etca;lkjd;lakjdf |
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| 16:37.24 | humbolt | how can I change the niceness of a running process on the console |
| 16:37.28 | ajavid | jpinx, thats too long |
| 16:37.39 | cahoot | humbolt: man renice |
| 16:37.40 | ajavid | jpinx, -rd is good enough, Aa is redundant |
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| 16:37.57 | aboyz | ajavid. how do i run it at 1:30am every 24/ hour? |
| 16:38.01 | ajavid | aboyz, I am pretty sure, and no one has corrected me yet |
| 16:38.01 | jpinx | fairy snuff ajavid ;) |
| 16:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, hehe, thanks - I didn't see where is misunderstanding was :) |
| 16:38.08 | ajavid | jpinx, hehe |
| 16:38.17 | ajavid | uhm |
| 16:38.26 | iguanna_ | i am looking for some kind of ERP software |
| 16:38.54 | ajavid | uhm |
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| 16:38.59 | ajavid | aboyz, 30 1 * * * |
| 16:38.59 | ajavid | ? |
| 16:39.07 | ajavid | 1:30am every 24 hours |
| 16:39.11 | ajavid | I think... |
| 16:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and !win me for 'esoteric' :) |
| 16:39.36 | krankkatze | hey, I'd like to know what console font my debian is using |
| 16:39.53 | krankkatze | i'm looking in the bootscripts but I don't find the name |
| 16:39.54 | zxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.05 | krankkatze | may anyone help me? |
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| 16:40.29 | aboyz | you are wrong ajavaid.. |
| 16:40.35 | ajavid | I thought as much |
| 16:40.39 | ajavid | I'm a noob, sorry! |
| 16:40.40 | ajavid | sorry |
| 16:40.53 | sander_ | jpinx, I get: There is no screen to be detached. |
| 16:41.15 | sander_ | jpinx, maybe I started the screen session wrong? |
| 16:41.23 | aboyz | 45 23 * * * This will launch at 11:45 PM each day |
| 16:41.39 | aboyz | so 1 0 * * * will run on 12:01 each day |
| 16:41.51 | aboyz | and 30 0 * * * will run on 12:30 each day |
| 16:41.52 | sander_ | jpinx, ah. I started screen as wrong user. |
| 16:41.58 | sander_ | jpinx, works now. thanks! :-) |
| 16:42.01 | ajavid | I said 1 |
| 16:42.04 | ajavid | 11:38 < ajavid> aboyz, 30 1 * * * |
| 16:42.14 | ajavid | that to me looks like 1:30 am |
| 16:42.32 | sander_ | jpinx, how do I exit a screen without stopping it? |
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| 16:43.01 | rudi_s | sander_: ^A d |
| 16:43.15 | ajavid | its lowercase a |
| 16:43.18 | TTimo | hey .. how's the new 32 bit stuff on amd64 working in sid? I have ia32-apt-get installed, how do I get the 32 bit zlib for instance ? |
| 16:43.20 | ajavid | ^a-d |
| 16:44.03 | zinx | TTimo: last time i tried it, it wasn't working |
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| 16:44.14 | sander_ | what does ^A stand for? |
| 16:44.14 | rudi_s | ajavid: You're right, though there is now difference for the terminal. ^A and ^a are the same. |
| 16:44.17 | TTimo | # ia32-apt-get install zlib1g <- that says package installed |
| 16:44.21 | rudi_s | sander_: Ctrl a |
| 16:44.24 | zinx | TTimo: but, apt-get install ia32-<package name> |
| 16:44.29 | TTimo | still my 32 bit bins fail to start |
| 16:44.34 | rudi_s | ^a and ^A are the same, press Ctrl and a (without shift). |
| 16:44.37 | ajavid | zinx, did you see my hilight to you |
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| 16:45.28 | zinx | TTimo: there were some very nasty conflicts with some things when i tried, so i didn't bother trying to actually run stuff :D |
| 16:45.40 | rudi_s | aboyz: 30 1 * * * is correct for 1:30am |
| 16:45.48 | ajavid | no dude |
| 16:45.49 | ajavid | I'm sorry |
| 16:45.51 | ajavid | I'm a noob. |
| 16:46.01 | ajavid | rudi_s, let him correct it. |
| 16:46.10 | TTimo | zinx: ia32-libs is supposed to go away, which this latest sid update cycle has done for me apparently |
| 16:46.16 | TTimo | and ia32-apt-get reports no errors |
| 16:46.23 | TTimo | but my 32 bit binaries don't run still |
| 16:47.19 | rudi_s | ajavid: ? But it's correct. 0 0 * * * is midnight, so 30 1 * * * is 1:30am. |
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| 16:47.58 | ajavid | rudi_s, i know but he keeps telling me I'm wrong so fuck it. |
| 16:48.05 | ajavid | I'm a noob. lets call it a day for him. |
| 16:48.24 | rudi_s | ajavid: Ok. |
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| 16:48.52 | ajavid | rudi_s, (I was being sarcastic. I'll stop) |
| 16:48.53 | ajavid | :) |
| 16:48.57 | jpinx | sander_: did you get that ? Ctrl +a and then d to detach the screen |
| 16:48.59 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 16:49.27 | robin | so .. tell me, running lenny and installed the sun-java5-plugin .. so why doesn't firefox find it and use it? |
| 16:49.54 | ajavid | I installed wine last night, and firefox 3.5, used FEBE to backup my linux profile and transfer it there, works like a charm and I'd say about 50% faster than the native linux version |
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| 16:49.58 | ajavid | that is still shameful I tihnk |
| 16:50.08 | ajavid | robin, incomplete installation |
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| 16:50.16 | ajavid | robin, you should really beusing 1.6 java |
| 16:50.23 | robin | hmmm |
| 16:50.27 | ajavid | robin, aptitude install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre |
| 16:50.36 | ajavid | robin, that will make it work in iceweasel |
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| 16:50.46 | robin | oh, and firefox? |
| 16:50.49 | ajavid | robin, as for firefox, if you isntalled firefox |
| 16:51.09 | ajavid | firefox is not apckged, and I dont' kwow if it looks for plugins in the /usr/lib/mozilla or only in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 16:51.22 | robin | hmm, ok |
| 16:51.28 | ajavid | if latter is the case, a simple symlink to libjavasomething.so will do fine |
| 16:51.36 | robin | rightio ... I'll try |
| 16:51.43 | ajavid | go to ~/.mozilla/plugins and ln -s /usr/lib/something something/libjava something.so |
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| 16:52.04 | ajavid | (thats for firefox. It should work flawlessly in iceweasel as all debin packages are made to work with each other) |
| 16:52.11 | robin | iceweasel hosed itself during the etch-to-lenny process |
| 16:52.23 | mordy[^_] | is there a way i can do an 'integrity check' on all packages installed? i.e. verify that the packages marked as 'installed' actually have their relevant fiels in place? |
| 16:52.23 | ajavid | there was a bug about that |
| 16:52.31 | ajavid | iw started crashing after that particular upgrade |
| 16:52.40 | ajavid | not sure what the fix was, but yes, this is known |
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| 16:52.45 | mordy[^_] | since i find myself always having to 'reinstall' dependencies whose files simply do not exist on my system but are marked as installed |
| 16:52.47 | robin | it just says "is already runing .. please close other instance" BLAH |
| 16:52.54 | alsd | Balthazar: what was the problem? just being curious |
| 16:53.01 | ajavid | robin, run with -P switch |
| 16:53.14 | ajavid | robin, create a new profile, run IW & Firefox at the same time |
| 16:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordy[^_], you can reinstall them all... that'd make sure of that :) |
| 16:53.28 | ajavid | robin, I use 3.0.11 without addons/plugins for browsing faster |
| 16:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, kind of - actually most configuration files are never touched if changed (even if the change is removal) |
| 16:53.50 | ajavid | robin, I use 3.5pre1 Shiretoko AMD64 build of Firefox with 50+ addons for regular normal multimedia use |
| 16:54.07 | mordy[^_] | CutMeOwnThroat: i've actually tried that once.. but it would take a very long time.. |
| 16:54.20 | ajavid | mordy[^_], did you see the fireworks last night? |
| 16:54.31 | ajavid | wicked. |
| 16:54.44 | robin | mmm, ok, I'll try that -P thing when I finish installing Java6 |
| 16:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordy[^_], apt-cache show debsums |
| 16:54.46 | mordy[^_] | ajavid: you know i never go out |
| 16:54.46 | andyd | hi, i posted evidence of unanticipated ifupdown behaviour to debian-isp a few days ago - anyone able to help - http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2009/07/msg00010.html ? |
| 16:54.53 | robin | thnaks for the help |
| 16:55.11 | mordy[^_] | hrrm... |
| 16:55.18 | ajavid | robin, -P launches the firefox profile manager window |
| 16:55.30 | ajavid | robin, you can create and delete profiles for diff thing |
| 16:55.37 | ajavid | robin, I use 1 profile for clean browsing |
| 16:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordy[^_], that should be what you're looking for |
| 16:55.45 | ajavid | robin, I use another profile full of web dev tools |
| 16:55.46 | Balthazar | alsd it's secondaries addresses IP which redirected to main addresse IP |
| 16:55.47 | mordy[^_] | CutMeOwnThroat: that seems like a more convenient way to verify the integrity of a deb itself, not its state |
| 16:55.55 | mordy[^_] | let me download it just to see if i'm wrong |
| 16:55.55 | ajavid | robin, a third profile for like multimedia browsing etc. etc. and so forth |
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| 16:56.29 | aland | how to build an initramfs that _doesn't_ have support for tje rootfs |
| 16:56.32 | aland | I'm trying to build a minimal initramfs for a xen DomU, but the initramfs from dom0 wants to add support for my luks cryptodisks ( which isn't required for the domU ) |
| 16:56.45 | robin | sounds more comlpex then I need to be honest, I'm happy with firefox as my main browser, I dont run many extensions |
| 16:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordy[^_], says verification of **installed** packages |
| 16:57.13 | mordy[^_] | hmm... seems interesting |
| 16:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know what you call a packakges "state" |
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| 16:57.33 | ajavid | mordy[^_], dude you are not administering servers |
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| 16:57.40 | ajavid | you stay home 24/7 and work on your pc play round |
| 16:57.48 | ajavid | why do you need to check for .deb integrity |
| 16:57.53 | ajavid | I've never had to and its been fine |
| 16:58.00 | ajavid | 99% of people don't do this stuff and they are fine |
| 16:58.04 | ajavid | WHY do you need to do this? |
| 16:58.31 | mordy[^_] | ajavid: because it's really annoying for me to keep 'installing' a package, wait 20 seconds until aptitude tells me that the package is really installed, and then need to reinstall it |
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| 16:58.50 | robin | blinks |
| 16:58.54 | ajavid | wow. |
| 16:59.02 | ajavid | I'm just without speech. |
| 16:59.08 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 16:59.14 | ajavid | lol :) |
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| 16:59.21 | mordy[^_] | and multiply that process by 10-20 times for each dependency |
| 16:59.23 | robin | must be a slow processor ... 20 seconds to scan the dependency tree? |
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| 16:59.38 | robin | Z80? |
| 16:59.45 | ajavid | mordy[^_], enouf runs a calculator.. and even he doesn't complain of aptitude. |
| 16:59.54 | mordy[^_] | ajavid: i'm not complaining about aptitude |
| 16:59.54 | ajavid | sheesh. |
| 17:00.04 | robin | 6502? |
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| 17:00.57 | ajavid | uh |
| 17:01.06 | ajavid | ok. |
| 17:01.51 | mordy[^_] | wow debsums is complaining about a lot of stuff |
| 17:01.55 | ajavid | I could increase my size of bindings, `-=, q-\, a-', z-/, and then all of them again with a ctrl and then again with a shift, thats a lot of keybindings. |
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| 17:02.33 | ajavid | !lennynhalf |
| 17:02.38 | ajavid | doh. |
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| 17:03.28 | ajavid | oh man, I wonder if its possible to emacs'nize the irssi |
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| 17:07.34 | ajavid | hey guys, does anyone know of a good xfonts-Terminus like fixed width font for programmers but one that supports italics and bold? |
| 17:07.51 | ajavid | if not already packaged, please a link would be nice |
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| 17:10.31 | abrotman | gives ajavid the Classifieds |
| 17:10.31 | ajavid | k |
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| 17:12.49 | ajavid | http://irssi.org/themefiles/sux.png <- what font is this? |
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| 17:13.20 | abrotman | ajavid: http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ |
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| 17:14.24 | ajavid | Image is too complex: 243 components found. There is a 100 component limit. |
| 17:14.38 | ajavid | fuck it. |
| 17:14.54 | abrotman | might be easier if you used just a portion of the image |
| 17:15.03 | ajavid | oh i didn't even think of that |
| 17:15.08 | ajavid | ok |
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| 17:16.22 | cusco | hi |
| 17:16.53 | cusco | what sip client (softphone) would you recomend to test an asterisk server? I could use a command line one that I could run several instances |
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| 17:17.34 | abrotman | ekiga ? |
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| 17:18.49 | cusco | can it be ran in cli mode? |
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| 17:24.03 | ajavid | dude |
| 17:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sip-tester? |
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| 17:24.21 | ajavid | that %23 in the topic of #debian is throwing off my topic statusbar color |
| 17:24.28 | ajavid | goddamit |
| 17:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | tragic! |
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| 17:25.02 | ajavid | http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
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| 17:26.32 | Oleg_ | Hi. I wanna install rtorrent 0.8.4 on my Debian distro. |
| 17:26.35 | Oleg_ | can I do it? |
| 17:26.44 | twoface | have you tried? :) |
| 17:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 17:26.50 | lunk | Oleg_: it's in aptitude |
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| 17:27.11 | stew | Oleg_: you are running debian stable? |
| 17:27.16 | stew | (aka lenny) |
| 17:27.24 | Oleg_ | I know I was already explained before how to use aptitude, but I forgot the explanation :) |
| 17:27.30 | Oleg_ | stew: yes |
| 17:27.44 | stew | Oleg_: then you'd have to backport it, you can try /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:27.59 | ajavid | btw, what is %23 |
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| 17:28.31 | azeem | ajavid: escaped ~ , probably |
| 17:28.36 | ajavid | oh |
| 17:28.59 | ajavid | you don't suppose you guys could maybe edit the topic ? :D |
| 17:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | can I run miro 2.0.5 in lenny? |
| 17:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 17:29.20 | azeem | ajavid: escaped # in fact |
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| 17:29.28 | ajavid | i see |
| 17:29.40 | ajavid | is there a reason why it needs to be escaped? |
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| 17:30.44 | nkuttler | ajavid: google url encoding or maybe the rfc |
| 17:30.53 | twoface | in unstable, nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-185.18.14, which is not in the repositories. i cant find it on packages.debian.org either - according to packages... nvidia-glx doesn't even depend on nvidia-kernel. anybody has a solution for this? |
| 17:31.14 | ajavid | http://purl.rikers.org/#debian/ I see # for channel name, hmm. Anyway, its totally screwing up my default irssi colors |
| 17:31.15 | ajavid | anyway to make irssi ignore this or something? |
| 17:31.41 | ajavid | apparantly it reads %2 as color green, it is looking for escaped %, like %%23 |
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| 17:32.08 | nkuttler | twoface: check if you can find something that works at snapshot.debian.net |
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| 17:32.14 | stew | ajavid: http://purl.rikers.org/#debian/ is an incorrect url for the logs |
| 17:32.37 | ajavid | stew, how come? it seems to function correctly in a few browsers here |
| 17:32.49 | stew | ajavid: becuase of rfc 2396 |
| 17:33.13 | ajavid | I see, I'll peek at it when i get the chance, but yeah, topic isn't being edited is it. I'm sol? |
| 17:33.43 | ajavid | topic statusbar doesn't span multiple lines, in irssi you can't even see topic, I might as well just remvoe the whole topic bar |
| 17:33.46 | stew | ajavid: i don't see your irssi misconfiguration to be a good reason to not include a URL to the channel logs in the topic |
| 17:33.51 | twoface | nkuttler: thanks - but it doesn't look like it |
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| 17:34.15 | nkuttler | twoface: build from source i guess |
| 17:34.35 | ajavid | stew, I don't either. |
| 17:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually though logging the channel was deprecated |
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| 17:34.51 | twoface | guess i'll manage with 'nv' until the maintainer makes nvidia-kernel available :) |
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| 17:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | twoface, m-a? |
| 17:35.36 | stew | ajavid: http://purl.rikers.org/#debian/ says go to the http://purl.rikers.org/ page, then your browser should take you to the #debian/ anchor on the page after loading |
| 17:35.43 | twoface | CutMeOwnThroat: what about it? |
| 17:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | twoface, to make your own nvidia-kernel-185.18.14? |
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| 17:36.15 | pingouin | how can i make the /var/log/boot be fullfilled at boot time ? (Nothing has been logged yet.) it's the awswer when i cat /var/log/boot |
| 17:36.36 | ajavid | stew, yes, I was wondering that, as # is used to anchor, anyway, it doesnt' matter. I'm goign nto take off the topic bar, its useless in many channels as the topic is too long |
| 17:36.48 | twoface | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't think i wan't to use that much time on it - i'll manage fine with nv until further notice |
| 17:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell twoface -about nvidia m-a |
| 17:37.24 | cahoot | pingouin: look at /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 17:37.26 | ajavid | stew, however i don't think its a misonfiguration. it reads %2 as green from the %23. Does it only do it for me> default irssi theme, no BS |
| 17:37.30 | twoface | CutMeOwnThroat: but i can't install nvidia-glx :/ |
| 17:37.43 | ajavid | stew, thats the only thing I was wondering now, is it just me? or anyone using irssi in #debian |
| 17:37.54 | twoface | CutMeOwnThroat: so i would have to compile several things myself |
| 17:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | twoface, m-a a-i translates into module-assistant auto-intall |
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| 17:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the stuff in url for details |
| 17:38.41 | twoface | ah, i see - thanks |
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| 17:39.14 | stew | ajavid: there are lots of people using irssi in #debian |
| 17:40.11 | cusco | CutMeOwnThroat: sip-tester does not have a man page, where can I read more about it? |
| 17:40.24 | pingouin | cahoot: thank you |
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| 17:41.44 | lvh | hi |
| 17:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusco, no idea, I just did the search for you... but dpkg -L sip-tester shows you that 'man sipp' would work, also less /usr/share/doc/sip-tester/README.* |
| 17:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fire |
| 17:42.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 17:42.27 | lvh | I'm having trouble mounting an encfs volume. I keep getting: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 17:42.43 | lvh | My user is a member of the fuse group, and the fuse module is loaded. |
| 17:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | lights a magnesium bar dangerously close to cusco |
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| 17:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | lvh, you still need read/write on the device |
| 17:43.36 | lvh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/126938/ |
| 17:44.05 | lvh | CutMeOwnThroat: The mode on the device is rw-rw---- and its group is fuse, and I'm in the fuse group. Shouldn't that be enough? |
| 17:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 17:44.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you add yourself to the fuse-group right now? |
| 17:44.33 | jda2000 | Is there a tool I can use to set mt iMac g3 to turn on automatically at a certain time of day? |
| 17:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. does "id" tell you you're in that group? |
| 17:44.35 | lvh | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes. Do I need to log in again? |
| 17:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 17:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... use |
| 17:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | wossname |
| 17:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | newgrp |
| 17:44.57 | jda2000 | s/mt/my/ |
| 17:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jda2000, I already answered you! |
| 17:45.35 | lvh | lvh@marvin:~$ newgrp fuse # keeps asking for a password, apparently not my own. |
| 17:45.45 | jda2000 | Oh, Sorry. I didn't see it.... |
| 17:45.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there is, it's hardware-specific so here is a bad place to ask |
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| 17:46.02 | lvh | lvh@marvin:~$ cat /etc/group | grep fuse ## fuse:x:127:lvh |
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| 17:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | bios does it in (some) PCs... look for some equivalent |
| 17:46.28 | cahoot | lvh: run groups lvh to see you've update |
| 17:46.31 | abrotman | jda2000: if it has WOL you might be able to have another machine on your network turn it on for you |
| 17:46.39 | lvh | cahoot: Yep, that works |
| 17:47.12 | lvh | I still can't do the encfs mount, though. Same error. |
| 17:47.19 | jda2000 | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 17:49.27 | lvh | And I'm somewhat reluctant to chmod 777 random things in /dev |
| 17:49.32 | fas3r | can i restore erased data on scsi disk ? |
| 17:49.49 | lvh | fas3r: Usually: no. You might get lucky. What filesystem? |
| 17:49.57 | fas3r | ext3 |
| 17:50.09 | lvh | fas3r: There's undelete for ext3, but stop writing on that volume. |
| 17:50.49 | jda2000 | CutMeOwnThroat, Thank you for your earlier reply (I just reviewed the log). |
| 17:51.08 | fas3r | i have shutdown it and reboot it 1 times, it's good ? |
| 17:51.39 | lvh | fas3r: No, that's usually bad, but it might not be disastrous. Stop doing things to that disk. Install ext3 undelete on a different filesystem. |
| 17:51.51 | lvh | fas3r: The sane answer of course is: restore your backup! |
| 17:51.59 | fas3r | :) |
| 17:52.01 | jda2000 | CutMeOwnThroat, The thing is, when I had OS 9 on this box, there was a preferences app that did indeed set the machine to start at a certain time of day. |
| 17:52.24 | fas3r | lvh: if i had a backup i don't come here to ask this question :p |
| 17:52.39 | jda2000 | CutMeOwnThroat, I lost that app when I did the OS X install. |
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| 17:53.53 | jda2000 | CutMeOwnThroat, In a perfect world, a deb for a similar app would be in a Debian repository somewhere. |
| 17:54.38 | jda2000 | CutMeOwnThroat, The people in this channel are more likely to know about it. |
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| 17:55.23 | nsadmin | jda2000 packages.debian.org |
| 17:55.47 | jda2000 | nsadmin, Thanks. |
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| 17:57.00 | nsadmin | jda2000: that requires specific hardware, btw |
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| 17:58.09 | nsadmin | jda2000: why don't you ask apple if you're running macosx? |
| 17:58.32 | jda2000 | nsadmin, Oh this box is 100% Debian now. |
| 17:59.03 | nsadmin | then you would need some sort of support for the hardware that does that |
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| 17:59.34 | jda2000 | nsadmin, sure. |
| 17:59.42 | nsadmin | perhaps your starting point is to find out specifically what that hardware is |
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| 18:00.21 | nsadmin | chipset, device, specific model numbers and version numbers |
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| 18:00.47 | jda2000 | nsadmin, As far as I can tell, most refer to it as an iMac G3 - Newworld. |
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| 18:01.42 | sacky | hello |
| 18:01.47 | nsadmin | ahh, that's what your machine is called. I mean: What -specific- electronics in that machine do the thing you want |
| 18:02.12 | sacky | can anyone of you tell me why i only find kde 4 packages with apt and how i can change that to kde3.5? |
| 18:02.56 | nsadmin | whether it's a chip, a little box, a circuit board, something on that circuit board, you should be able to find out (but VERY likely not here) |
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| 18:03.14 | cusco | CutMeOwnThroat: it does't support voice anyway |
| 18:03.17 | cusco | thanks anywya |
| 18:03.28 | jda2000 | nsadmin, That is a mystery to me. I presume there is an NVRAM location somewhere that holds the start time. |
| 18:04.15 | abrotman | sacky: you're using squeeze or sid .. kde3 has been removed from testing/unstable |
| 18:04.17 | nsadmin | jda2000: if you can find the absolute specifics about that, then maybe you have a chance of either finding a driver or writing one yourself |
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| 18:04.48 | ajavid | ok |
| 18:04.57 | ajavid | yup, it was the script that was cuasing the color error |
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| 18:05.02 | ajavid | I wasn't escaping % correctly |
| 18:05.08 | ajavid | $topic =~ s/%/%%/g; |
| 18:05.19 | ajavid | stew, fixed. |
| 18:05.47 | jda2000 | nsadmin, Yeah, I went browsing through /proc/sys for a likely candidate. So far, no joy. |
| 18:05.48 | sacky | what do i have to add in my sources? stable? I think i have to say debian which versions i like |
| 18:06.15 | abrotman | sacky: it likely won't work |
| 18:06.42 | nsadmin | jda2000: you were looking for an existing operating driver, which may or may not exist |
| 18:07.09 | nsadmin | maybe #hardware |
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| 18:07.53 | nsadmin | sacky: mixing versions of debian won't work |
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| 18:08.15 | jda2000 | nsadmin, thanks for the tip. I'll try there too! |
| 18:08.36 | cvsup | i have debian 5.0.1 |
| 18:08.43 | nsadmin | if you're looking for a nightmare to have, it's mixing versions of debian... |
| 18:08.45 | cvsup | and i need install postfix with sasl support |
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| 18:08.54 | cvsup | but when try apt-get install postfix-tls |
| 18:08.59 | cvsup | and run postconf -m |
| 18:09.01 | abrotman | !depends postfix lenny |
| 18:09.02 | cvsup | show me this |
| 18:09.15 | cvsup | btree |
| 18:09.15 | cvsup | cidr |
| 18:09.15 | cvsup | environ |
| 18:09.15 | cvsup | hash |
| 18:09.15 | cvsup | nis |
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| 18:09.31 | nsadmin | cvsup: /topic |
| 18:09.34 | cvsup | sorry |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdb4.6, libsasl2-2, libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), ssl-cert |
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| 18:09.49 | nsadmin | cvsup: brand new irc user? |
| 18:09.59 | cvsup | nsadmin yes |
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| 18:10.16 | svensko | has anyone here successfully run debian on a new macbook pro? |
| 18:10.22 | nsadmin | cvsup: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 18:10.55 | cvsup | nsadmin postfix in debian doesn't support sasl? |
| 18:11.08 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 18:11.18 | cvsup | somebody can help me? |
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| 18:12.18 | abrotman | cvsup: sure it does |
| 18:12.27 | abrotman | cvsup: you still have to configure it |
| 18:12.39 | nsadmin | but if you want to paste something to the channel there are different ways to do that which allow other conversations to continue freely |
| 18:13.52 | cvsup | ok |
| 18:14.12 | sacky | i ran a mixed etch lenny debian since over 1 year. it works fine |
| 18:14.18 | cvsup | abrotman why the postconf -m not return support? |
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| 18:14.46 | abrotman | cvsup: dpkg -l postfix* |
| 18:15.01 | krislappy | hello all, is there a way to make debian start the install from an USB stick? |
| 18:15.35 | cvsup | ii postfix 2.5.5-1.1 High-performance mail transport agent |
| 18:15.40 | nsadmin | krislappy: have you read the install guide? |
| 18:16.27 | abrotman | cvsup: did you read the man page? postfix -m shows the type of lookup tables .. the man page doesn't mention tls |
| 18:17.06 | abrotman | cvsup: try `postconf | grep tls` |
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| 18:18.14 | krislappy | nsadmin: yes, but i can't download the netinst, as this internet is too slow |
| 18:18.31 | krislappy | i only have cd1 |
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| 18:19.11 | dagek | hi |
| 18:19.17 | dagek | where can I see the cpu volt? |
| 18:19.48 | sacky | i have trouble to install kde 4. It can not install kdebase-runtime |
| 18:19.50 | cvsup | abrotman show me all functions about tls |
| 18:20.00 | abrotman | cvsup: okay ... so what's the problem? |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | sacky: are you trying to install kde3 on squeeze? |
| 18:20.33 | cvsup | when try to connect on port 25 show me error |
| 18:20.34 | cvsup | Jul 6 15:05:25 gateway postfix/smtpd[9409]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 18:20.38 | cvsup | in postfix log |
| 18:20.48 | Spec | dagek: not sure...maybe in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0 |
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| 18:21.05 | abrotman | cvsup: that just means you didn't configure it correctly |
| 18:22.00 | jda2000 | Hmmm, It turns out there is a "nvsetenv" command to show or set "Open Firmware" variables. |
| 18:22.05 | dagek | Spec, no volts there for me |
| 18:24.12 | sander_ | I've upgraded from sarge to etch.. and it came the following line: The following packages have been kept back: gdk-imlib1 |
| 18:24.30 | sander_ | Should I just try to install that package? |
| 18:24.31 | Spec | dagek: run the command "sensors"? |
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| 18:24.58 | Spec | dagek: part of the lm-sensors package |
| 18:25.23 | dagek | Spec, it shows me only temps |
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| 18:26.32 | sander_ | When I try to install gdk-imlib1 I get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 18:26.38 | abrotman | sander_: install it anyways |
| 18:26.50 | sander_ | Why's that?. Aint that unsecure? |
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| 18:27.04 | abrotman | so is running sarge .. that didn't stop you |
| 18:27.19 | sander_ | Hehe :-p |
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| 18:29.01 | robin | so this iceweasel thing ... I installed the sunjava6 jre and plugin ... then grabbed the Javaconsole addon ... and sure enough, it doesnt appear on the "tools" menu :( |
| 18:29.03 | Spec | dagek: last chance...perhaps check /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/* |
| 18:29.07 | nsadmin | sander_ was there anything in the message that suggested you do something? |
| 18:29.13 | Spec | dagek: if not...your bios will report the voltage levels of your processors |
| 18:29.31 | dagek | where? |
| 18:29.36 | theSableProf | hello, would someone mind helping me out with a (first time) hd-install? |
| 18:29.41 | sander_ | nsadmin, there was a question if I wanted to install the package or not |
| 18:29.59 | sander_ | nsadmin, I just installed it |
| 18:30.03 | nsadmin | you're runnign sarge? |
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| 18:30.31 | robin | stares coldly at iceweasel |
| 18:30.32 | sladi | dagek, did you configure lm-sensors for your motherboard? IIRC you can do that. |
| 18:30.33 | sander_ | nsadmin, now I am |
| 18:30.48 | nsadmin | theSableProf: if you're also willing to read the install guide |
| 18:30.52 | sander_ | nsadmin, sorry. now i'm running etch |
| 18:30.56 | dagek | sladi, how? |
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| 18:31.06 | sander_ | nsadmin, I just upgraded from sarge |
| 18:31.11 | Spec | sladi: i configured my lm-sensors, and all i've got are coretemp-isa-000# reports for each core's temperature |
| 18:31.15 | Spec | no voltages or anything. |
| 18:31.17 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 18:31.21 | Spec | (but i don't care ;)) |
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| 18:31.24 | theSableProf | nsadmin: yes, I've got it before me... |
| 18:31.25 | robin | sigh .. how come get a java console is so hard? |
| 18:31.30 | sander_ | http://pastebin.ca/1485960 <-- I get the following errors too.. smartmontools cant be installed |
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| 18:32.44 | abrotman | sander_: just purge smartmontools .. install it later when you get to lenny |
| 18:33.15 | sladi | dagek, sorry I used that long ago. |
| 18:33.31 | sander_ | abrotman, ok |
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| 18:33.42 | theSableProf | ...i'm unable to find vmlinuz and initrd for any architecture but powerpc,(on the debian site) are these compatible with an i86 architecture (net-boot)? |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | no |
| 18:34.05 | abrotman | theSableProf: where are you looking ? |
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| 18:34.41 | theSableProf | http://packages.debian.org |
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| 18:34.55 | nsadmin | theSableProf: where -specifically- |
| 18:35.00 | sander_ | Now both my boxes is etch :DD |
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| 18:36.13 | Vaske_Helper | how do I update Debian? |
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| 18:36.56 | theSableProf | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vmlinuz&searchon=all&suite=all§ion=all |
| 18:37.00 | nsadmin | Vaske_Helper: from/to? |
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| 18:37.17 | Vaske_Helper | nsadmin: just to update current instalation |
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| 18:37.25 | nsadmin | which is? |
| 18:37.30 | Vaske_Helper | 5.0.2 |
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| 18:37.50 | nsadmin | aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 18:37.50 | abrotman | theSableProf: i think you're doing it wrong? |
| 18:37.54 | Vaske_Helper | and does Deb uses Sudo like ubuntu or not? |
| 18:38.09 | craigevil | Vaske_Helper: not by default but you can set it up |
| 18:38.10 | nsadmin | you can install sudo if you want |
| 18:38.38 | ajavid | debian sets up sudo by default now, unelss you specify a lower debconf_priority in which case it lets you select a root password |
| 18:38.42 | ajavid | iirc |
| 18:38.43 | theSableProf | i'd be willing to learn to do it correctly.. any advice? |
| 18:38.52 | robin | stares at iceweasel ... so, java console .. where art thou |
| 18:38.53 | abrotman | theSableProf: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian5.0.2/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny3/images/hd-media/ .. isn't that more like what you want ? |
| 18:39.03 | ajavid | robin, about:plugins |
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| 18:40.17 | fas3r | can i use eap tls auth on vpn ? |
| 18:40.19 | theSableProf | abrotman: yes, that looks much better than my result, thank you |
| 18:40.22 | ajavid | robin, I installed everyting using debian packages. I then installed Firefox 3.5 Shiretoko AMD64 Build on Debian stable. I then went to about:plugins and EVERYTHING installed by Debian Packages (mplayer-mozilla, flashplayer-nonfree, sun-java6-jre) automatically detected and used. |
| 18:40.51 | ajavid | robin, I didn't have to make any symlinks in ~/.mozilla/plugins to point to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 18:41.37 | ajavid | robin, I don't know why yours isn't being detected on firefox, but you can manually make the symlinks and you'll be alright |
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| 18:41.48 | nsadmin | robin try quitting and restarting the browser |
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| 18:42.08 | ajavid | robin, yeh, restart browser might help ;) |
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| 18:42.08 | robin | ajavid, ive installed sunjava6-plugin and jre, the java console addons from wherever iceweasel pulls addons from ... |
| 18:42.25 | theSableProf | boot.im.gz isn't mentioned in the manual, i'll ignore this file unless someone wishes to suggest otherwise |
| 18:42.25 | robin | java works, the java console doesnt |
| 18:42.25 | robin | done that |
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| 18:42.30 | ajavid | robin, is java functional in iceweasel |
| 18:42.31 | ajavid | ? |
| 18:42.42 | ajavid | ok |
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| 18:43.00 | robin | yes |
| 18:43.03 | ajavid | i don't know about any java console addons, I all i know is in debian stale it just works out of the box |
| 18:43.15 | robin | hmm |
| 18:43.20 | abrotman | robin: are you sure you're using sun java? about:plugins ? |
| 18:43.24 | nsadmin | ajavid: how do you get to your java console? |
| 18:43.35 | ajavid | Dude what java console? |
| 18:43.41 | ajavid | I'm not sure I understand |
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| 18:44.05 | ajavid | (do you mean java webstart) ? |
| 18:44.09 | hag | hi! |
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| 18:44.22 | nsadmin | ajavid: whatever robin means |
| 18:44.23 | abrotman | ajavid: normally there's a menu option that gets added for the Java Console |
| 18:44.32 | ajavid | oh |
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| 18:44.35 | ajavid | let me see i fi have one |
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| 18:44.50 | robin | you know .. hte console .. where you can see the output java applets, flush the classloader cache etc |
| 18:44.52 | abrotman | ajavid: it's a lot more obvious on a windows box .. FWIW |
| 18:45.10 | ajavid | The only link I see on my Debian AND my KDE menus are for Java Web Start 32bit & 64bit |
| 18:45.13 | nsadmin | (so you're answering questions and you didn't know what he was asking about?) |
| 18:45.32 | nsadmin | (and continuing to answer anyway? :) |
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| 18:45.45 | ajavid | what are you on about? |
| 18:45.56 | robin | normally, its under the tools menu ... |
| 18:45.56 | abrotman | ajavid: it's in your browser menu |
| 18:46.05 | ajavid | I haven't answered any questions. I've been asking them. |
| 18:46.12 | nsadmin | ajavid: oh, did I say that out loud? :) |
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| 18:46.14 | robin | next to error console |
| 18:46.25 | ajavid | nsadmin, I'm not feeling very humorous or humored atm. |
| 18:46.27 | ajavid | stop. |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | ajavid: in FF/IW, under the Tools menu .. below "Add-Ons" |
| 18:46.35 | ajavid | abrotman, checking |
| 18:46.58 | ajavid | there is no "Java Console" only "Error Console" |
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| 18:47.10 | abrotman | robin: use about:plugins to verify it's the Sun JRE/JDK .. i don't think any other java adds that .. and there might even be a mozilla-java package |
| 18:47.21 | sander_ | http://pastebin.ca/1485980 <-- What do I want to do here?.. Seems like I totally forgot to install the right kernel before I upgraded to etch. |
| 18:47.34 | abrotman | sander_: what's the CPU ? |
| 18:48.36 | ajavid | File name: libnpjp2.so |
| 18:48.41 | ajavid | uhm |
| 18:48.47 | robin | thats what I have |
| 18:48.58 | ajavid | *+ 2 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java |
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| 18:49.01 | ajavid | no fucking wonder |
| 18:49.08 | ajavid | yeh, we're both not using sun java |
| 18:49.08 | ajavid | :( |
| 18:49.15 | robin | humph |
| 18:49.18 | ajavid | robin, sudo update-alternatives --config java |
| 18:49.25 | ajavid | robin, select the # for the sun java |
| 18:49.25 | abrotman | !pal robin and ajavid |
| 18:49.26 | dpkg | points at robin and ajavid and laughs uproariously |
| 18:49.50 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.50 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.06 | ajavid | question, I am noob. Whats the deal here which one should I use, 32 or 64, does it make a diff? |
| 18:50.28 | ajavid | I have regular java6 AND the ia32 java6 |
| 18:50.30 | abrotman | somehow, even if it did, i doubt you'd notice after using gcj for months |
| 18:50.30 | ajavid | I dunno why. |
| 18:50.48 | ajavid | abrotman, it doesn't matter to me, I was just trying to help him out but i wanted to kow |
| 18:51.00 | nsadmin | ajavid: if you have a 64-bit arch, you have that choice |
| 18:51.07 | robin | i dont mind .. but I do need the console |
| 18:51.13 | ajavid | nsadmin, thank you captain obvious. |
| 18:51.16 | sander_ | abrotman, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz |
| 18:51.16 | abrotman | need? |
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| 18:51.26 | abrotman | sander_: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:51.45 | sander_ | Ok |
| 18:52.58 | nsadmin | ajavid: *shrug*... I selected what I said according to the audience... you said "I am noob", so I didn't figure it would be as obvious as you're now claiming |
| 18:53.52 | nsadmin | ajavid: evidently you don't like to be called on your shit :) |
| 18:53.53 | ajavid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2009-06-16 19:14 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so |
| 18:54.06 | ajavid | i changed alternative to sun java, yet it still is using non sun java |
| 18:54.15 | ajavid | what is this mozilla-javaplugin.so file |
| 18:54.38 | ajavid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 2009-06-16 19:14 mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so |
| 18:54.46 | krislappy | ajavid: so that mozilla can use java |
| 18:54.50 | krislappy | ajavid: like java applets |
| 18:54.52 | abrotman | ajavid: probably much like the flash-mozilla.so |
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| 18:55.02 | ajavid | but... for some reason.. I don't have that "Java Console" |
| 18:55.13 | ajavid | (I don't need it, I give up, robin, you're on your own man) |
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| 18:55.26 | ajavid | goes back to gcj |
| 18:55.43 | robin | hmmm |
| 18:56.17 | robin | i can see im going to end up pulling hair out soon |
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| 18:56.26 | ajavid | robin, we asked this before you never asnswered |
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| 18:56.34 | robin | what? |
| 18:56.35 | ajavid | robin, WHY do you need the "Java Console"? |
| 18:56.50 | ajavid | (I've never heard of a thing) |
| 18:56.58 | nsadmin | and what do you expect a java console to do? |
| 18:56.58 | robin | to see wtf the applet is whining about, log messages etc? |
| 18:57.04 | ajavid | there is an Error Console that logs like java'script' but thats not java |
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| 18:57.36 | sander_ | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1485986 <-- Is my lilo.conf right?. I added 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz |
| 18:57.41 | nsadmin | the error console doesn't show java errors? |
| 18:57.52 | robin | gives access to various command to flush the classloader cache, kick the garbage collector etc |
| 18:57.54 | ajavid | I dunno, I dont' use java apps |
| 18:58.03 | ajavid | I just have in case i come across some java app it will work |
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| 18:58.20 | robin | no, the error console is purely css and javascript |
| 18:58.28 | ajavid | like facebook image uploader is java based, godaddy vps hosting control panel uses java stuff here n there |
| 18:58.48 | robin | the java console is handy when debugging and developign applets |
| 18:59.01 | nsadmin | why not use appletviewer? |
| 18:59.03 | craigevil | robin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=Java+console&cat=all most if not of the Java Console extensions are older |
| 18:59.05 | ajavid | robin, does #java support any of this or do they only support the languae/coding? |
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| 18:59.33 | nsadmin | let's find out |
| 18:59.35 | Qew | !ops diLaa_ is doing onjoin porn spam |
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| 18:59.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: qew complains about: diLaa_ is doing onjoin porn spam |
| 18:59.54 | nsadmin | that was fast :) |
| 19:00.03 | Qew | cheers |
| 19:00.07 | ajavid | areeba areeba, andale andale! |
| 19:00.10 | robin | nsadmin, because if your applet is using javascript calls to modify the dom via netscape.javascript.JSObject, it needs an html dom to manipulate |
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| 19:00.53 | theSableProf | Quick question, I'm new to Grub, "(hd0,0)" means that this is the first partition on the hard drive in Grub-speak? |
| 19:00.59 | nsadmin | I dunno waht a dom is in that context |
| 19:00.59 | ajavid | in all my years of web app develop ment etc. I've never bothered with client side shizboo |
| 19:01.10 | ajavid | I should learn javascript in depth |
| 19:01.16 | ajavid | i dunno why. |
| 19:01.19 | nsadmin | theSableProf: look at /boot/grub/device.map |
| 19:01.24 | robin | nsadmin, i like to use javascript applets to handle the comms, then call jquery stuff to mess with the dom |
| 19:01.45 | theSableProf | ah, will do, thanks |
| 19:01.47 | ajavid | theSableProf, natural #s no no |
| 19:01.52 | ajavid | theSableProf, whole numbers yes yes |
| 19:02.04 | ajavid | theSableProf, grub uses whole numbers, 1= 0, 2=1 etc. |
| 19:02.14 | ajavid | theSableProf, in natual numbering you have 1=1, 2=2 there is no - |
| 19:02.16 | ajavid | no 0 |
| 19:02.34 | ajavid | remedial math dude. |
| 19:02.45 | ajavid | theSableProf, yes, hd0 0 is first hd, first partition |
| 19:03.14 | theSableProf | ah, i think i understand, thank you, and the MBR is on the first partition if I recall correctly? |
| 19:03.26 | nsadmin | no, it's not in any partition |
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| 19:03.36 | ajavid | first 512 bytes of hdd |
| 19:03.36 | nsadmin | it's sector 0 on the drive |
| 19:03.42 | ajavid | !mbr |
| 19:03.42 | dpkg | from memory, mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR |
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| 19:04.40 | theSableProf | all right, then that's something I don't actually need to worry about messing up unintentionally :) |
| 19:04.48 | ajavid | actually not just hdd, firswt 512 bytes of any media (bootable) |
| 19:04.56 | ajavid | flash, floppy, etc. etc. |
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| 19:05.59 | sander_ | Which kernel should I install for my Pentium II (Klamath) box? |
| 19:06.23 | ajavid | 686 |
| 19:06.23 | theSableProf | that takes a load off my mind, *crosses fingers* back to the editing! be back momentarily, ajavid |
| 19:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | -686? |
| 19:06.24 | sander_ | I'm upgrading the box from sarge to etch |
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| 19:06.37 | ajavid | is there ia 386 anymore ( i haven't used x86 in years) |
| 19:06.51 | ajavid | there used tobe i think there was talk of just having a x86 kernel via 686 obne |
| 19:06.52 | ajavid | one( |
| 19:06.56 | ajavid | oh my keya;oj;lakjdlfucking sucks |
| 19:06.58 | ajavid | goddamnit. |
| 19:07.08 | abrotman | ajavid: i386? yes but that distro only works on 486 and up |
| 19:07.24 | abrotman | so now it's called linux-image-*-486 |
| 19:07.28 | ajavid | ahh |
| 19:07.37 | ajavid | I'm gonna go buy a new keyboard. |
| 19:07.40 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-486 |
| 19:07.41 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-486 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 |
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| 19:08.52 | nsadmin | 386 dist runs on 386+, but 386 kernels were somewhat recently dropped from debian repos |
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| 19:09.20 | sander_ | abrotman, so I should install linux-image-2.6-486 for Pentium II? |
| 19:09.20 | mtl | is there 2.6.30 kernel for squeeze somewhere? |
| 19:09.26 | ajavid | mtl, no |
| 19:09.38 | ajavid | mtl, you can get it from sid, it would be ok. |
| 19:09.45 | mtl | ok |
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| 19:09.51 | ajavid | mtl, or just build your own (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 19:09.53 | nsadmin | for awhile Alan Cox was working on linux for 86 or 286 |
| 19:10.03 | abrotman | sander_: no .. i told you earlier what to install |
| 19:10.05 | robin | seems the problem is although I installed the sunjava6 plugin via aptitude, and the java6 console addon .. iceweasel is not using the sunjava6 plugin then ... |
| 19:10.10 | robin | humph :( |
| 19:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, you could read that as "nobody wants to run a 386 anymore, so debian dropped support" :) |
| 19:10.15 | sander_ | abrotman, this is a diffrent box |
| 19:10.20 | ajavid | robin, update-alternatives --config java |
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| 19:10.24 | robin | !beer |
| 19:10.24 | dpkg | [beer] liquid gold mate |
| 19:10.27 | abrotman | sander_: oddly, still the same package: ) |
| 19:10.36 | sander_ | abrotman, ok ok :-) |
| 19:10.51 | M0E_lnx | does anyone know how to make os-prober id the running os (mounted /) ? |
| 19:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird stuff like that happens :) |
| 19:11.05 | stew | robin: you want update-java-alternatives to update all the java alternatives, or use the correct single alternative to update-alternatives (java is not the alternative you need to alter, its the plugin alternative) |
| 19:11.05 | nsadmin | a 386 once compiled a kernel and took like 24 hours |
| 19:11.07 | hark | robin: use update-java-alternatives instead |
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| 19:11.20 | ajavid | no shit |
| 19:11.23 | nsadmin | and nowhere NEAR recent |
| 19:11.57 | ajavid | nice |
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| 19:12.21 | ajavid | update-java-alternatives updates all alternatives belonging to one runtime or development kit for the Java language. A package does provide these information of it’s alternatives in /usr/lib/jvm/.<jname>.jinfo. |
| 19:12.29 | ajavid | coming up with new shit all the time (new to me) |
| 19:12.41 | nsadmin | that always happens to mentor... |
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| 19:13.50 | ajavid | learn something new everyday, stew, I did --config java and it didn't fully work. I don't think. |
| 19:13.59 | robin | stew ta :) |
| 19:14.01 | ajavid | I woner what other update-* are there |
| 19:14.14 | ajavid | whoah... lots of em |
| 19:14.19 | M0E_lnx | help with os-prober anybody? |
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| 19:14.27 | stew | ajavid: editing the java alternative only affects /usr/bin/java, not the plugin |
| 19:14.40 | ajavid | I see |
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| 19:15.17 | stew | ajavid: and yes, update-java-alternatives is relatively new, it was added a little over 3 years ago |
| 19:15.31 | ajavid | lol, like I said, (new to me) |
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| 19:16.21 | Frantic | guys, any idea why python-profiler was removed in lenny? |
| 19:16.27 | Frantic | and where I could find it? :) |
| 19:16.54 | stew | judd: info python-profiler --release lenny |
| 19:16.55 | judd | stew: python-profiler (non-free/python): is optional; Version: 2.5.2-1; Size: 36.6k; Installed: 196k -- deterministic profiling of any Python programs |
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| 19:17.16 | stew | Frantic: ^^^ it's in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 19:17.47 | ikanobori | Hello dear fellows, I want to downgrade my kernel, is this a possibility? |
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| 19:18.45 | Frantic | stew: thanks :) |
| 19:19.04 | Frantic | i didn't know about the non-free repo :) |
| 19:19.14 | ajavid | ikanobori, what do you have, what do you want? why do you want it? |
| 19:19.39 | ikanobori | 2.6.24-24-xen, I want 2.6.18-18-xen. |
| 19:19.48 | ikanobori | Because the upgrade broke all networking diagnostic tools. |
| 19:19.58 | ikanobori | Fixing those, solves my need for downgrading though. |
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| 19:20.22 | ajavid | when you upgraded, you should have old kernel stil isntalled. boot with it? |
| 19:20.24 | stew | Frantic: the license for this software ( http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/p/python-profiler/current/copyright ) has restrictions on when you are allowed to modify/distribute the software, which means it doesn't follow the debian free software guidelines (/msg dpkg dfsg) and therefore cannot be included in debian proper |
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| 19:20.47 | stew | ikanobori: you are running hardy? |
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| 19:21.41 | ikanobori | stew: I picked up the testing repositories in between, I am on lenny officially though. |
| 19:22.00 | ajavid | judd versions irssi |
| 19:22.01 | judd | ajavid: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 lenny: 0.8.12-6 etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 0.8.13-2~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.13-2 squeeze: 0.8.13-2 |
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| 19:22.11 | ajavid | i see. |
| 19:22.17 | stew | ikanobori: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-24-xen" ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:22.27 | ikanobori | Sure, one moment. |
| 19:22.30 | jpinx | ajavid: the latest irssi is in backports |
| 19:22.35 | kpoorman | Is this the place to find some help developing custom debian packages? |
| 19:22.38 | ajavid | I backported it myself |
| 19:22.45 | ajavid | I had no idea it was already there lol |
| 19:22.56 | ajavid | 02:22 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ajavid: = irssi v0.8.13 |
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| 19:23.21 | ikanobori | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/126958/ |
| 19:23.26 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 19:23.26 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 19:23.36 | ikanobori | Just to be sure, it was probably a bad idea to switch back from testing to lenny. |
| 19:23.42 | ajavid | abrotman, ? |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | not for you |
| 19:24.28 | ajavid | I think I got david |
| 19:24.30 | ajavid | damog |
| 19:24.32 | kpoorman | abrotman: thanks but debian-mentors is invite only. |
| 19:24.37 | ajavid | hes cool |
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| 19:24.41 | abrotman | kpoorman: on OFTC |
| 19:24.46 | ajavid | I love his accent D: |
| 19:25.05 | kpoorman | I'm needing to create some deb's of in house software that is scripts |
| 19:25.12 | kpoorman | abrotman: oftc ? |
| 19:25.20 | ajavid | kpoorman, irc.debian.org please |
| 19:25.23 | ajavid | kpoorman, or irc.oftc.net |
| 19:25.27 | abrotman | kpoorman: irc.oftc.net |
| 19:25.34 | ikanobori | stew: You caught the pastebin url? |
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| 19:26.11 | stew | ikanobori: ok, so you are running debian lenny, and you want to know how to install an older ubuntu kernel than the ubuntu kernel you are currently running? |
| 19:26.21 | sander_ | "If using grub, edit /etc/kernel-img.conf and adjust the location of the update-grub program changing /sbin/update-grub to /usr/sbin/update-grub."<-- How can I do this when my kernel-image.conf file is empty? |
| 19:26.24 | ajavid | abrotman, why do we not advertise irc.debian.org instead of the irc.oftc.net ? |
| 19:26.35 | ikanobori | stew: I am using an *ubuntu* kernel? |
| 19:26.38 | ajavid | abrotman, I figured if we moved officially to oftc, we should tell it like so, irc.debian.org |
| 19:26.39 | stew | ikanobori: yes |
| 19:26.41 | ajavid | just a thought |
| 19:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, because that's what the factoid said... |
| 19:26.43 | abrotman | not we, me .. i find it confusing personally .. |
| 19:26.47 | stew | ikanobori: you are using the xen kernel from ubuntu hardy |
| 19:26.53 | fas3r | i want recompile my kernel, my processor is a VIA Esther processor 2000MHz what can i choose for the processor ? |
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| 19:27.04 | abrotman | erm .. not confusing for me .. i think it's confusing for people that don't understand the difference |
| 19:27.15 | hjb | why does pressing F1-F5 produce A-E under console? |
| 19:27.19 | ikanobori | stew: Amazing. |
| 19:27.21 | hjb | together with a beep? |
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| 19:27.53 | ikanobori | Then it’ll be less cumbersome to try and find out why tcpdump/snmp/iftop etc. can’t read from my network interfaces anymore. |
| 19:28.01 | stew | ikanobori: you can compare http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.24-24-xen to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.24-24-xen to see what I mean |
| 19:28.02 | hjb | Is there something wrong with my keyboard? |
| 19:28.16 | ajavid | wtf is he no ther anymore |
| 19:28.19 | ajavid | !seen abrotman |
| 19:28.19 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1m 15s ago, saying: 'erm .. not confusing for me .. i think it's confusing for people that don't understand the difference'. |
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| 19:28.33 | ajavid | nickcomp wouldnt work i was like where didhe go |
| 19:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, actually you can't be sure it's ubuntu... 2.6.24-24-xen could be a custom one someone named like that.... |
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| 19:29.04 | robin | stew, any further clues, update-java-alternatives doesnt seem to do much except throw errors , update-alternatives --config plugin fails ... |
| 19:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be nice if the ubuntu chaps would have some hardy or ubuntu string in there |
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| 19:29.29 | ajavid | aint thier kernels name dlike 'generi' or something |
| 19:29.32 | ajavid | generic* |
| 19:29.55 | ikanobori | Anyway, since then I’ve been getting these errors: |
| 19:29.56 | stew | their generic kernels are named generic and their xen kernels are named xen |
| 19:29.56 | ikanobori | tcpdump: pcap_loop: corrupted frame on kernel ring mac offset 94 + caplen 274 > frame len 160 |
| 19:30.04 | stew | ikanobori: have you tried a debian kernel:? |
| 19:30.10 | stew | ikanobori: how did you install the current kernel? |
| 19:30.18 | ikanobori | stew: I don’t know, this VPS came with the image from the hosting company. |
| 19:30.26 | ajavid | I wouldn't know. I don't use ubuntu crapola. |
| 19:30.27 | ikanobori | And apparently the kernel got upgraded somewhere, sometime. |
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| 19:30.31 | stew | ikanobori: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 19:30.39 | sk4tsh | hey, I have got a little webserver running debian 4.0. It is advisable to upgrade to lenny? |
| 19:30.43 | ikanobori | stew: Linux v001.feelibri.com 2.6.24-24-xen #1 SMP Thu Mar 19 11:30:30 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:30.51 | ajavid | sk4tsh, it will be good |
| 19:30.57 | ajavid | sk4tsh, 4.0 will lose support soon |
| 19:31.10 | ajavid | soon enough. |
| 19:31.32 | sk4tsh | ajavid, ah ok. That's a good reason, thanks :) |
| 19:31.38 | ajavid | !oldstable |
| 19:31.38 | dpkg | well, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 19:32.12 | ajavid | sk4tsh, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:33.11 | sk4tsh | oh I see, good. |
| 19:33.19 | ikanobori | stew: Mostly, I just want SNMP to work again so I can pull this VPS together in the monitoring without re-imaging the whole thing. |
| 19:33.21 | fas3r | how can i know if it's acpi or atm ? |
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| 19:36.21 | stew | ikanobori: well if you have server admins replacing your kernels on you, I'd recommend talking to them, or Id recommend trying a debian xen kernel |
| 19:36.39 | ikanobori | stew: Yeah, I am typing out a support ticket as we speak :) |
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| 19:36.47 | mmek | when you create a list with "dpkg --get-selections" the second row contains "install". can that be replaced with "purge" to have certain packages removed? |
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| 19:39.50 | aidan_ | my server has three ip's and several hostnames ... it all works in apache, do I need to tell the OS about the IP's / hostnames? |
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| 19:41.04 | nsadmin | aidan_: look thru the output of ifconfig... are all three IPs there? |
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| 19:42.02 | aidan_ | nsadmin: yes |
| 19:42.02 | nsadmin | and yes you do, but if it's working maybe it's been done |
| 19:42.23 | aidan_ | can I tell it to bind to a specific hostname on one of the IPs? |
| 19:42.34 | ikanobori | stew: Thanks anyway for the help! |
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| 19:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | aidan_, about the IPs: yes hostnames: no |
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| 19:43.29 | nsadmin | ifconfig is the low-level tool which associates numeric IPs with specific net interfaces |
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| 19:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | http headers will contain the hostname afaik, and that's the way apache knows which hostname it's addressed with |
| 19:43.53 | nsadmin | in debian, there's a configuration system, the file is /etc/network/ingerfaces |
| 19:43.53 | J-roen | Hi. Is it correct that 'df' is not live? |
| 19:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "live" |
| 19:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 19:44.18 | J-roen | CutMeOwnThroat: That the numbers displayed are not live. |
| 19:44.39 | nsadmin | what would live mean? |
| 19:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean current? |
| 19:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | they are |
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| 19:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | J-roen, if you just deleted a file -the space is only freed after the last program stopped accessing that file |
| 19:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, bet that was the REAL question? :) |
| 19:45.41 | J-roen | CutMeOwnThroat, nsadmin: Hmm... it seems that the used number of blocks displayed is going down after I deleted something, but the USE% stays at 100%. |
| 19:45.50 | aidan_ | nsadmin: if a program does a bind() on a domain name, how does the OS know which IP to use? |
| 19:46.20 | nsadmin | aidan_: IPs and host names are associated in the DNS system, so if you want specific names associated with specific IPs in the internet, it's done using dns |
| 19:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | J-roen, pastebin an example of what you see |
| 19:46.37 | aidan_ | ah |
| 19:46.55 | nsadmin | since you say it's working... |
| 19:47.06 | nsadmin | that would mean that part's been done too |
| 19:48.16 | J-roen | CutMeOwnThroat, nsadmin: The problem is that df's "Used" number of /dev/sda1 is going down, but the "Available" stays at zero after deleting some files. How can this happen? |
| 19:48.34 | nsadmin | for some guy out there with a web browser, the process looks like this... |
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| 19:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | J-roen, well, look at my explanation above for one possible reason |
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| 19:50.22 | nsadmin | he puts your address in, hits enter, and the webserver looks up the ip, the dns server replies with it (oversimplifying a bit), then the web server connects using the numeric IP to form the basic TCP connection. |
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| 19:50.44 | nsadmin | that part has -nothing- to do with web |
| 19:51.21 | nsadmin | once that connection is established, the web client sends headers which taken together form a request. |
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| 19:51.35 | nsadmin | one of the headers has the host name |
| 19:52.03 | nsadmin | and that's how the server knows the host name, it's in the request headers |
| 19:52.05 | aidan_ | yeh, I understand http |
| 19:52.12 | aidan_ | I'm confused about how it works the other way around |
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| 19:52.23 | aidan_ | e.g. I make a socket(2) call, and bind to foo.com |
| 19:52.23 | nsadmin | still confused? |
| 19:52.39 | aidan_ | on the server, on an outgoing connection |
| 19:52.44 | lvh | hi |
| 19:53.11 | J-roen | CutMeOwnThroat, nsadmin: I think fsck didn't run for a while. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:53.11 | nsadmin | oh, you mean the connection back to the browser? |
| 19:53.32 | lvh | I have a directory tree, and I want to remove all *.txt files in that tree. |
| 19:53.35 | lvh | How do I do that? |
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| 19:53.52 | JPT | mh |
| 19:53.54 | nsadmin | lvh: look at find |
| 19:53.58 | lvh | (I guess perhaps some incantation of ls with xargs and rm?) |
| 19:54.02 | JPT | yeah |
| 19:54.07 | JPT | you can use find to get the files |
| 19:54.22 | JPT | find <some arguments> | xargs rm -v |
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| 19:54.31 | nsadmin | one way, not the most efficient: |
| 19:54.49 | Ikke | can I install debian 5.0.2 on a raid1 drive and boot from it using the regular instalation? |
| 19:54.59 | lunk | Ikke: yes |
| 19:55.03 | nsadmin | use find to get the paths to the files you want removed |
| 19:55.17 | nsadmin | put that list in a file |
| 19:55.19 | lunk | Ikke: just set that up this weekend, when you setup grub, point it to /dev/sda1 instead of the MBR |
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| 19:55.29 | lunk | Ikke: after it's done, GO BACK, and setup /dev/sdb1 as well |
| 19:55.36 | lunk | then continue the install |
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| 19:55.41 | nsadmin | then use rm in a for loop to remove them |
| 19:55.50 | Ikke | btw, my raid is on sdb, not sda |
| 19:56.06 | nsadmin | instead of the for loop you can use xargs |
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| 19:56.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:56.38 | nsadmin | and instead of the file to hold the list you can pipe directly from find to xargs |
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| 19:56.45 | paranoidi | hmm, having troubles (as well it seems) .. my root fs in on raid-1, but for some reason grub does not see my new kernel when booting from first drive .. and when trying from second it has absoluttely wrong configuration without any raid bits in it |
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| 19:57.08 | paranoidi | but it has the new kernel tough .. |
| 19:57.30 | nsadmin | the new and tough kernel? |
| 19:57.47 | paranoidi | -typos =) |
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| 19:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux-image-2.6.24-ultratough |
| 19:58.45 | paranoidi | yeah, I'd need some tough advice right now :D |
| 19:58.58 | lunk | Ikke: i was talking about MD Software Raid |
| 19:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fix the entry for drive 1 |
| 19:59.01 | nsadmin | tough tugs try teasing tori's teeshirt |
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| 20:01.01 | hikenboot_ | anyone have info on alternative to xorg.conf which is now empty? |
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| 20:01.30 | nsadmin | hikenboot_: what is it you want to do |
| 20:01.55 | Ikke | lunk i'm doing hardware raid |
| 20:02.01 | nsadmin | (why are you seeking an alternative) |
| 20:02.07 | lunk | Ikke: ah, dunno then |
| 20:02.12 | hikenboot_ | see if the nvidia custom drives are running |
| 20:02.31 | stew | hikenboot_: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:02.51 | hikenboot_ | lsmod shows nvidia but not sure if its nvidias....oh ok thanks |
| 20:03.34 | hikenboot_ | nsadmin using nvidia's because they are said to have switches making it compatable with xen |
| 20:03.35 | nsadmin | so you want to know if the nvidia is nvidia's? |
| 20:03.42 | hikenboot_ | yes |
| 20:03.47 | nsadmin | oh really |
| 20:04.00 | nsadmin | could you let me know what you find out |
| 20:04.08 | paranoidi | http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-July/008898.html - i think this is what I'm supposed to do in order to get both drives see same grub situation, but in my grub console finf /grub/stage1 doesn't find anything ;P |
| 20:04.14 | hikenboot_ | about what nsadmin |
| 20:04.23 | hikenboot_ | the switches that make it compatable |
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| 20:05.02 | hikenboot_ | or that the nvidia driver is the one i installed from the package? |
| 20:05.14 | nsadmin | I have my nvidia runnign now, and I've been wanting to do xen but got stuck because the build process wouldn't even build an nvidia driver for a xen-enabled kernel |
| 20:05.36 | hikenboot_ | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122900&page=2 |
| 20:06.35 | aidan_ | nsadmin: not to a browser, I'm talking about my IRC client |
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| 20:07.15 | nsadmin | aidan_: oh, a bot? |
| 20:07.25 | nsadmin | run by your web server? |
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| 20:07.36 | aidan_ | I told it to bind to an address, but it's not, it's using the reverse dns of my hosting provider |
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| 20:08.08 | aidan_ | yeh, I want to host my screen for IRSSI on my server, but not using one of the vhost addresses - I have my own domain name and IP address on that server |
| 20:08.16 | nsadmin | oh, so the reverse mappings aren't done |
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| 20:08.54 | aidan_ | right |
| 20:09.00 | paranoidi | bloody hell, I seem to have 3 raid devices (root) connected .. one being mostly broken, I have no recall of replacing dead drive |
| 20:09.10 | nsadmin | is there a problem with getting them? |
| 20:09.27 | aidan_ | who does the reverse mappings? |
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| 20:09.46 | nsadmin | your isp |
| 20:09.54 | nsadmin | whoever provided the IPs |
| 20:09.57 | aidan_ | ah, okay Ill log a support request |
| 20:10.17 | aidan_ | we have a separate DNS server though, does that change things? |
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| 20:10.32 | nsadmin | for forward mappings? |
| 20:11.16 | aidan_ | ah, forward and reverse mappings, I got it now |
| 20:11.20 | aidan_ | thanks very much |
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| 20:11.49 | nsadmin | forward is for name->IP and needs to be anthoritative over name |
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| 20:12.22 | nsadmin | reverse is for IP->name and needs to be authoritative over a domain name that is related to IP\ |
| 20:13.04 | nsadmin | in some cases the same DNS server can handle both |
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| 20:13.34 | nsadmin | but, the general case is: reverse authority goes to whoever owns the IPs |
| 20:14.41 | theSableProf | I'm back, had to re-install my base system, got cocky with my Grub menu, and deleted my old OS... |
| 20:16.29 | theSableProf | I'll have the pre-install set up again momentarily |
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| 20:18.24 | nsadmin | theSableProf so are you ok with that? nothing you need from the earlier install? |
| 20:18.57 | theSableProf | I actually had to reinstall my old non-Debian system... |
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| 20:19.25 | theSableProf | I don't have a cd burner, so I'm going to try to net-install |
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| 20:19.49 | nsadmin | what is your non-deb? windows? |
| 20:20.07 | theSableProf | Damn Small Linux |
| 20:20.18 | nsadmin | maybe you can use debootstrap |
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| 20:20.49 | theSableProf | that's an alternative boot loader, right? |
| 20:21.14 | nsadmin | no, it's a way to install debian given an existing supporting env |
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| 20:21.32 | dagek | how to spindown an HD? |
| 20:22.07 | theSableProf | I'd be fine with doing a wipe of my old OS, but I don't want to have to reinstall the Grub |
| 20:23.00 | nsadmin | theSableProf: grub boots your old OS? |
| 20:23.40 | theSableProf | well, grub for the hard drive, i have a error-riden iso of DSL i could run |
| 20:24.20 | nsadmin | wait, what are you running now? |
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| 20:24.50 | theSableProf | dsl, from hd |
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| 20:24.52 | hikenboot_ | nsadmin nvidia works with those instructions on Xen if you log into that kernel at the command prompt and it instals fine as long as that kernel is loaded |
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| 20:25.53 | theSableProf | last install, grub couldn't locate the kernel, probably due to my poor editing of its's menu |
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| 20:26.16 | nsadmin | but you could get to the grub shell? |
| 20:26.29 | theSableProf | oh, yes |
| 20:27.36 | nsadmin | so you can boot things from that shell, you just have to know a bit about grub and know where things are |
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| 20:28.48 | theSableProf | more or less, for so0me reason DSL put about 5 variant copies of itself on my load menu, last time I j... |
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| 20:29.15 | theSableProf | ...ust deleted everything but the debian code, probably a bad idea |
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| 20:30.05 | nsadmin | how large is the drive where you have grub and dsl? |
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| 20:30.51 | Jemt | Good evening :) |
| 20:30.54 | theSableProf | it's partitioned, hda1 has about 15GB more or less |
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| 20:31.22 | nsadmin | you mean free space? or total? |
| 20:31.36 | theSableProf | free space |
| 20:31.43 | Jemt | How can I use Grep to search for any string, without it considering it a regular expression ? |
| 20:31.44 | nsadmin | how much total? |
| 20:31.54 | theSableProf | good eve, Jemt |
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| 20:32.19 | theSableProf | about 20 GB total, it's old school :) |
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| 20:32.47 | rudi_s | Jemt: man grep |
| 20:32.49 | nsadmin | Jemt: you would have to escape all the special re characters... other than that, that's what grep does (notice the re in the name?_ |
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| 20:33.09 | rudi_s | Jemt: and you will find grep -F |
| 20:33.09 | Tramp | Jemt: man grep, check "-F" |
| 20:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, or "fgrep" |
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| 20:33.50 | nsadmin | fgrep is probably a bad name for it :) |
| 20:33.58 | Jemt | Thanks guys , seems to be what I am looking for :) |
| 20:34.02 | Tramp | ..... and deprecated |
| 20:35.07 | hikenboot_ | nsadmin nvidia works with those instructions on Xen if you log into that kernel at the command prompt and it instals fine as long as that kernel is loaded |
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| 20:36.08 | theSableProf | I'm getting my instructions from http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd ,... |
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| 20:37.01 | nsadmin | hikenboot_: cool... I'll eventually give that a try. you say kernel needs a patch to make that work? |
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| 20:37.31 | Hanibal | hello againe veryone |
| 20:37.36 | theSableProf | I think I realized the problem, unless any path files given to grub have to have it "/grub/" left out, then me following the instructions like a robot probably didn't help... |
| 20:37.38 | Hanibal | *again |
| 20:37.55 | theSableProf | hey hanibal |
| 20:38.00 | Hanibal | hi |
| 20:38.12 | nsadmin | theSableProf: if /boot is separate, you would have to leave that part off |
| 20:38.13 | Hanibal | ok i have a problem |
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| 20:38.30 | nsadmin | if I had a problem... |
| 20:38.52 | nsadmin | I'd problem in the mooooorning... |
| 20:39.10 | Hanibal | ok i'm using the tmscsism driver for my Tekram DC-390 |
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| 20:39.38 | nsadmin | that's a scsi card, isn't it |
| 20:39.43 | Hanibal | appearently theres a problem with the driver |
| 20:39.47 | Hanibal | yes it is |
| 20:39.57 | Hanibal | and i can't use my scsi drives |
| 20:39.57 | dustybin | is there a way to install a new kernel without rebooting? |
| 20:40.00 | jlaw | hello there. i'm trying to compile a kernel with "make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --append-to-version=.01". for some reason make-kpkg is always taking the default configuration and not the one i am creating/loading with menuconfig. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:40.16 | nsadmin | dustybin: sure, you can -install- it |
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| 20:40.28 | dustybin | i mean, actiivate and use it as well |
| 20:40.32 | dustybin | without rebooting |
| 20:40.33 | nsadmin | you don't have to reboot to have it installed... |
| 20:40.41 | theSableProf | alright, that parts settled, I've gotta read forward a bit in the manual... |
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| 20:41.38 | nsadmin | Hanibal: I thought the driver was tekram |
| 20:41.49 | nsadmin | I think I have one of those |
| 20:41.55 | Hanibal | hummm |
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| 20:42.09 | Vaske_Helper | how do I install and enable thisr party respositors? |
| 20:42.14 | Vaske_Helper | third* |
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| 20:42.25 | Hanibal | well something happening, and in the syslog screen, somethings reporting my drives are offline |
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| 20:42.42 | Hanibal | and i can't install :S |
| 20:42.46 | Hanibal | but it sees the drives |
| 20:42.50 | nsadmin | Hanibal: do you have them terminated properly? |
| 20:43.07 | nsadmin | err not "them" but the scsi cable |
| 20:43.08 | Hanibal | ah, i am a bit new to the scsi scene |
| 20:43.10 | DevNullnDull | i gound in the past a flowchart of the dpkg and apt system does anyone know of a link to this? |
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| 20:43.25 | nsadmin | so you have one cable, yes? |
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| 20:43.48 | Hanibal | nsadmin: yes |
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| 20:44.02 | nsadmin | and all your drives are on that cable? |
| 20:44.12 | Hanibal | correct |
| 20:44.32 | nsadmin | ok, do you have an extra connector at the end of the cable? |
| 20:44.47 | Hanibal | mm i have a coupple |
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| 20:44.56 | Hanibal | the cable is kind of beat |
| 20:45.04 | nsadmin | ok, do you have a terminator? |
| 20:45.25 | Hanibal | :s i don't believe i have a terminator |
| 20:45.25 | nsadmin | (just wait, don't connect ANYTHING now) |
| 20:45.40 | Hanibal | ok |
| 20:45.46 | nsadmin | ok, do the drives have terminators that can be switched on? |
| 20:45.54 | nsadmin | (again, don't do anything now) |
| 20:45.58 | Hanibal | oh thats a thought... |
| 20:46.01 | Hanibal | hum |
| 20:46.03 | Hanibal | hangon |
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| 20:46.22 | nsadmin | you can look, but -don't- change anything with the power on |
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| 20:46.46 | Hanibal | right |
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| 20:46.58 | nsadmin | I believe that card has active termination, but make sure you know what you're doing before you use it |
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| 20:47.19 | Hanibal | let me find the manuals for my drives |
| 20:47.31 | Hanibal | all 4 of them >> Seagate ST34572W |
| 20:47.35 | nsadmin | there ya go |
| 20:47.57 | nsadmin | how large are they |
| 20:49.17 | ajavid | hi |
| 20:49.21 | ajavid | can someone say my nickname |
| 20:49.29 | nsadmin | my nickname |
| 20:49.33 | ajavid | lol |
| 20:49.52 | nsadmin | ajavid |
| 20:50.04 | ajavid | sweet |
| 20:50.07 | DevNullnDull | ajavid: you suck |
| 20:50.15 | theSableProf | ajavid, your just in time... |
| 20:50.28 | ajavid | create window, window move 2, window stick, window name hilight, window move up |
| 20:50.29 | ajavid | :D |
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| 20:50.40 | ajavid | now top container in irssi has status hilight and msgs |
| 20:50.49 | ajavid | should amke anothe rone for notices or joins parts or hwatever i dunno |
| 20:50.52 | ajavid | thanks guys |
| 20:50.53 | Hanibal | nsadmin: Jumper J2-TE The on-board (nonremovable) termination circuits are enabled (connected to the I/O lines). |
| 20:51.09 | Hanibal | nsadmin: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/st34572/Jumpers.htm is what i'm looking at |
| 20:51.21 | sander^ | Whats the name of the file to echo 1 to... to get ip forwarding enabled? |
| 20:51.39 | nsadmin | Hanibal: the terminator should only be on on the last drive in the chain, furthest away from the card |
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| 20:51.42 | DevNullnDull | i found a flowchart of the dpkg and apt system in the past. Does anyone know of a link to this? |
| 20:52.18 | theSableProf | think I could work grub from inside DSL to boot up Debian, since I'm not sure I can do the TFTP part of the net boot with my current system? |
| 20:52.18 | Hanibal | nsadmin: if that happens to be lun0 is that ok? |
| 20:52.32 | nsadmin | sure, should be fine |
| 20:52.53 | nsadmin | does the card have a termination option? is the card the first device on the chain? |
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| 20:53.26 | nsadmin | passive termination woudl be safer |
| 20:53.51 | Hanibal | mm |
| 20:54.06 | sander^ | I guess its /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:54.07 | Hanibal | the card might have a term options |
| 20:54.25 | nsadmin | tell ya what... |
| 20:54.47 | Hanibal | mm |
| 20:54.56 | jpinx | ajavid: confirm that you find ff3.5 on wine better than IW? |
| 20:55.18 | ajavid | I do |
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| 20:55.19 | nsadmin | howbout you shut it down, make sure the last drive is terminated but none of the other three are, and reboot and come back |
| 20:55.19 | ajavid | from 1 day of full use |
| 20:55.19 | ajavid | yes it is much faster |
| 20:55.28 | Hanibal | nsadmin, ok sounds good... |
| 20:55.35 | Vaske_Helper | how do I install latest Flash Player? |
| 20:55.50 | Vaske_Helper | I installed respositors |
| 20:55.51 | nsadmin | dont' change the card yet |
| 20:56.17 | jpinx | thanks ajavid I'll quote you;) |
| 20:56.28 | kanon-mat | respositors :) |
| 20:56.43 | nsadmin | bathroomgoers? |
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| 20:57.08 | hikenboot_ | nsadmin currently I am using the stock kernel from debian for my setup . I have not successfully gotten 2.6.29 working which i was trying to use do to its support of ext4...I gave up on it for now and will in 3-4 months convert my partitions to ext4 currently its setup with raid1 with lvm on top of that with ext3 parititons all vms share a volume group and are on different logical volumes so i dont have to use loop files which slows down performance |
| 20:57.08 | nsadmin | oh, that would be DEpositors |
| 20:57.10 | DevNullnDull | Would anyone recommend anything beter then the APT-Howto for learn the APT and dpkg system? |
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| 20:57.32 | theSableProf | would it be possible to work grub from inside DSL (on hard drive) to boot up Debian, since I'm not sure I can do the TFTP part, and DSL does it automatically for me? |
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| 20:57.46 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: what do you want to learn about it? |
| 20:57.58 | nsadmin | and sure, that woudl be a start |
| 20:58.16 | kanon-mat | Vaske_Helper: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:58.35 | DevNullnDull | nsadmin: usage of commands and a little more about the detail on the system |
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| 20:59.07 | nsadmin | sure, that woudl be a start |
| 20:59.32 | DevNullnDull | nsad apt howto? |
| 20:59.48 | kanon-mat | DevNullnDull: run aptitude, then look in the help with ? |
| 21:00.04 | sander_ | Is /var/lib/iptables/default the correct file to add iptables rules to? |
| 21:00.13 | kanon-mat | man apt_preferences; man apt-cache |
| 21:00.22 | DevNullnDull | kanon-mat: i would like to start from the ground up. |
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| 21:00.35 | kanon-mat | man dpkg |
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| 21:01.04 | theSableProf | devhell: remember to checksum! |
| 21:01.15 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull it's kinda hard to know where the ground is... but apt, apt-get, aptitude, etc etc all use dpkg |
| 21:01.39 | nsadmin | dpkg deals with the packages themselves, apt* downloads them |
| 21:01.40 | dpkg | nsadmin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:01.48 | DevNullnDull | kanon-mat: ok man up on dpkg, then go to apt tools and then other front ends? |
| 21:01.49 | nsadmin | I just did!! |
| 21:02.13 | nsadmin | !penixsmite dpkg |
| 21:02.27 | DevNullnDull | nsadmin: That why I would like to see a flowchart on the system. I know someone has done one, but now i can not find it. |
| 21:02.32 | theSableProf | DevNullnDull: it (apt-get) "sucks in files" from repositories and other sites |
| 21:02.51 | kanon-mat | also man sources.list |
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| 21:03.18 | nsadmin | all the apt* stuff use configuration files in /etc/apt |
| 21:03.19 | jpinx | ajavid: for your kudos http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox |
| 21:03.35 | ajavid | you gotta be kididn me |
| 21:03.46 | theSableProf | DevNullnDull: yeah, the sources.list tells apt-get where to suck, you seen a how-to on it? |
| 21:03.51 | jpinx | it's official - IW is dead |
| 21:04.00 | jpinx | use ff3.5 on wine ;) |
| 21:04.07 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: if you don't have a purpose more specific than understanding the system, I'd say using them is a good start too |
| 21:04.08 | kanon-mat | man apt.conf |
| 21:04.20 | DevNullnDull | theSableProf: you are talking about the apt howto? right? |
| 21:04.29 | ajavid | thats what I do |
| 21:04.29 | jpinx | it's not a little bit faster - it's *lots* faster |
| 21:04.38 | ajavid | the only thing is |
| 21:04.42 | theSableProf | yup. |
| 21:05.02 | ajavid | stable debian's wine is older and it doesn't feature anti aliased fonts (clear type font smoothing for windows) |
| 21:05.10 | DevNullnDull | kanon-mat: thanks, man up on dpkg, sources.list, apt.conf |
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| 21:05.21 | jpinx | ajavid: true - I have just installed the latest wine direct from their repo |
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| 21:05.51 | theSableProf | Dev:hold on I'm looking... |
| 21:06.07 | ajavid | jpinx, on stable lib mismatch |
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| 21:06.10 | bzrk | ajavid: you can install the win fonts automagically with winetricks though |
| 21:06.12 | ajavid | jpinx, firefox will crash |
| 21:06.19 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: it's perfectly ok, btw, if you just want to be familiar with them... but I'm starting to sense you have a more specific purpose for understanding these... it would be helpful if you would tell us |
| 21:06.24 | ajavid | bzrk, font smootihng != having or nto having fotns |
| 21:06.32 | ajavid | bzrk, buy me a new keyaboard |
| 21:06.34 | kanon-mat | is there some mailing list where i can follow what is happening with the wine dependencies? |
| 21:06.54 | jpinx | passes ajavid a couple of hammers |
| 21:07.01 | bzrk | ajavid: come here and get one i fot a whole box full ^^ |
| 21:07.14 | bzrk | oh need one too it seems |
| 21:07.16 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: there's a lot under the hood, and I don't know which way to gell you |
| 21:07.20 | nsadmin | tell |
| 21:07.21 | kanon-mat | i have a pair of 80:ies kbs :) |
| 21:07.33 | kanon-mat | sturdier! |
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| 21:07.49 | jpinx | ajavid: is that a lib conflict specific to ff3.5 under wine, or will wine crash anyway? |
| 21:07.58 | Hanibal | nsadmin: do you mind looking at teh jumpers again? |
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| 21:08.02 | Hanibal | nsadmin: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/st34572/Jumpers.htm#J2%20Jumper%20Settings%20%20Model%20W |
| 21:08.07 | jpinx | I currently use wine for irfanview successfully |
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| 21:08.19 | krislappy | jpinx: why run ff3.5 under wine? |
| 21:08.27 | krislappy | it's better under linux imho |
| 21:08.29 | ajavid | wine is fine |
| 21:09.02 | theSableProf | http://linux.com/archives/articles/40745 |
| 21:09.02 | jpinx | krislappy: scrollback |
| 21:09.02 | ajavid | ff3.5 doesn't work under latest wine from anywhere except experimental on sid |
| 21:09.02 | ajavid | only wine experimental backported or installed on sid will work afaik right now |
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| 21:09.03 | ajavid | on stable, only stable wine will work |
| 21:09.07 | DevNullnDull | nsadmin: Well, its just me being me. I am studenting for the LPIC-1 exams, and I like knowing everything i can one subject. |
| 21:09.12 | hikenboot_ | nsadmin, http://www.infohit.net/blog/post/compiling-a-xen-dom0-kernel-for-ubuntu-jaunty.html <-- I believe that these directions will work...I have created a 2.6.29 deb package with ext4 support but I havent tried it yet |
| 21:09.16 | jpinx | ajavid: so which versuon of wine is best for ff3.5 in lenny? |
| 21:09.24 | ajavid | on unstable, it will also work, however using wine's generted nondebian .debs will not work on firefox 3.5 |
| 21:09.26 | DevNullnDull | expeslly subjects like apt and rpm |
| 21:09.30 | ajavid | jpinx, 1.0.x |
| 21:09.58 | nsadmin | hikenboot_: ok, thanks a LOT for the attention; appreciated. |
| 21:10.00 | jpinx | ajavid: ok - I'll see if that will work |
| 21:10.03 | theSableProf | devhell: catch the link? |
| 21:10.52 | kanon-mat | i couldnt install experimental wine last week, i tried to pin it, it had a newer libc6 as a dep. |
| 21:11.04 | ajavid | like I siad |
| 21:11.10 | ajavid | it doesn't work unless backported to sid |
| 21:11.11 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: well in that case, you'll need to man up pretty heavily, and try things for each point you read about |
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| 21:11.38 | jpinx | ajavid: backporting wine from sid? |
| 21:11.43 | DevNullnDull | nsadmin: for sure. trying to find the good reading. |
| 21:11.44 | ajavid | no |
| 21:11.47 | ajavid | form experimental to sid |
| 21:11.57 | kanon-mat | backporting wine from experimental to sid |
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| 21:12.03 | ajavid | you can't backport sid wine to stable |
| 21:12.04 | kanon-mat | i failed |
| 21:12.07 | ajavid | it will not build |
| 21:12.12 | ajavid | on a number of machines |
| 21:12.12 | DevNullnDull | man pages sometimes not the good reading. |
| 21:12.16 | ajavid | and archs etc,. |
| 21:12.28 | ajavid | also, you can't satisfy build depends either to omany abi changes |
| 21:12.34 | jpinx | ajavid so I need squeeze wine on lenny or what?aq |
| 21:12.59 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: those are reference docs, they're most useful in particular situations when you have gone over them before |
| 21:13.08 | jpinx | I'll write up a how-to when I get this sorted...... |
| 21:13.09 | kanon-mat | there is only one wine that works, and its old, jpinx |
| 21:13.11 | DevNullnDull | does anyone have a good website for man pages? |
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| 21:13.13 | nsadmin | when you know the shape of the docs |
| 21:13.20 | jpinx | kanon-mat: not true |
| 21:13.29 | DevNullnDull | i know i can fmt the man pages on the terminal |
| 21:13.30 | jpinx | has the latest wine running on lenny |
| 21:13.32 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: you would have them installed on your machine |
| 21:13.44 | kanon-mat | oh, i have missed something, jpinx |
| 21:13.52 | DevNullnDull | nsadmin: |
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| 21:14.08 | kanon-mat | jpinx is that version 1.24? |
| 21:14.11 | jpinx | the discussion is about whether to get it from debian or direct from winehq |
| 21:14.20 | DevNullnDull | nsadmin: no i know. but i would like to read them of my phone when I am on the road! |
| 21:14.31 | ajavid | jpinx, it runs, ff3.5 crashes constantly |
| 21:14.43 | ajavid | jpinx, it will not run |
| 21:14.58 | nsadmin | DevNullnDull: if you have a postscript printer you can print them |
| 21:15.00 | kanon-mat | i couldnt install it from the winehq lamaresh repo either, it has deps, like libc6-386 |
| 21:15.15 | gades | i have this error: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8104/errorkmi.png this ocurs too with mplayer |
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| 21:15.55 | jpinx | ajavid: ok - so it's only ff3.5 that will crash - cos everything else is running happily on my 1.1.24 wine |
| 21:16.03 | gades | ...but with others packages |
| 21:16.12 | ajavid | jpinx, try ff3.5 |
| 21:16.19 | ajavid | I tried on diff comptuers here with diff debians |
| 21:16.21 | ajavid | no dice |
| 21:16.40 | jpinx | ajavid: ok - and what did you do to fix it |
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| 21:17.42 | kanon-mat | jpinx are you on amd64? |
| 21:18.03 | ajavid | I am |
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| 21:18.49 | jpinx | kanon-mat: no - I'm on an eeepc and an old toshiba laptop |
| 21:18.57 | kanon-mat | how do i get pass the dependency requirements for wine? |
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| 21:20.02 | jpinx | dunno kanon-mat I just added the repo from winehq and did an update and installa |
| 21:20.37 | jpinx | downloads FF3.5 for Windows |
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| 21:21.05 | enouf_ | "13:02 < ajavid> mordy[^_], enouf runs a calculator.. and even he doesn't complain of aptitude." <-- correct - but it's not a DE, just a silly interface to dselect to me,, apt-get is my babe ;-) |
| 21:21.08 | theSableProf | TFTP and DHCP questions on net-boot, any takers? |
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| 21:21.20 | kanon-mat | im not sure, but from what i understand having read on bts, devs dont agree on how to organize 32bit libs |
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| 21:23.11 | enouf_ | jpinx: why? ... what? who cares what you use/download/install with a gnome registry!? :-P |
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| 21:24.07 | kanon-mat | google-chrome has some of those deps too, i cant install it |
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| 21:27.08 | ajavid | well.... at least he admits to running a calculator ;) |
| 21:27.13 | ajavid | runs |
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| 21:28.18 | enouf_ | calculates ajavid 's weenie is bent to the left O_o |
| 21:28.31 | kanon-mat | is prntscrn-alt-k suppose to kill X ? |
| 21:28.48 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: what? |
| 21:29.04 | enouf_ | !sysrq |
| 21:29.04 | dpkg | from memory, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 21:29.27 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: try ALT+SYSQ+H |
| 21:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanon-mat, ctrl-alt-backspace is |
| 21:29.50 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: the caiptalized letters do the deed |
| 21:30.05 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: sorry |
| 21:30.24 | kanon-mat | not working... |
| 21:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeh, but sysrq is disabled by default |
| 21:30.24 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: try hold ALT+SYSQ as you hit H |
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| 21:30.41 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: Craptops work differenetly |
| 21:30.56 | kanon-mat | this is on a desktop |
| 21:31.04 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: so enable it |
| 21:31.07 | kanon-mat | im chatting on my lappy |
| 21:31.25 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: the Debian kernels have always have it enabled |
| 21:31.35 | kanon-mat | ok, reading wiki article |
| 21:31.42 | enouf_ | read the F***en factoid |
| 21:31.44 | kanon-mat | its off now :) |
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| 21:32.18 | enouf_ | it's saved my a$$ very recently even |
| 21:32.31 | theSableProf | anyone know how to scan for a active DHCP from within DSL? I'd rather not screw up my only data source trying to install. |
| 21:32.35 | kanon-mat | rebooting works |
| 21:32.46 | kanon-mat | nice |
| 21:32.52 | enouf_ | ~$ grep sysrq /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:32.52 | enouf_ | # (S-U-B); more /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 21:32.54 | enouf_ | kernel.sysrq = 1 |
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| 21:33.09 | enouf_ | capisce? |
| 21:33.25 | jpinx | installs FF3.5 under wine |
| 21:33.39 | kejen | for you guys that use debian as a desktop, you use unstable? |
| 21:34.14 | theSableProf | enouf_: that for me?, heck why not |
| 21:34.15 | jpinx | kejen: stable with backports is good |
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| 21:34.46 | kanon-mat | i use sid. i have other partitions or computers if it doesnt work. im satisfied, but i dont recommend it |
| 21:35.12 | kanon-mat | meh, xfce4 takes ages to start |
| 21:35.15 | enouf_ | forces jpinx ;s friend to pukes all overjpinx, because jpinx 's friend couldn't handle anything over 80proof |
| 21:35.33 | enouf_ | theSableProf: what? |
| 21:36.19 | theSableProf | I thought you were talking about something else, my bad |
| 21:36.27 | jpinx | ajavid: ff3.5 running under wine - and seems ok |
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| 21:36.44 | jpinx | that's wine 1.1.24 ajavid |
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| 21:37.41 | theSableProf | bbl, it might automatically net-boot, it's possible |
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| 21:38.13 | kejen | thanks |
| 21:38.42 | Vaske_Helper | how ti install Sun java on Lenny? |
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| 21:41.29 | Hoxzer | s |
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| 21:41.38 | paranoidi | oh ffs, my datastore raid decided to go absent all the way .. possible because it tried to assemble it from the dropped out device alone |
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| 21:42.10 | enouf_ | jpinx: why do you need wine to run FF/IW ? ... you do realize the 3.5version of Firepoop (for linux) is not called FF? |
| 21:42.19 | paranoidi | how should I try to resurrect it? mdadm doesn't seem to find any devices altough they're available just fine |
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| 21:43.03 | enouf_ | paranoidi: check /etc/default/mdadm settings |
| 21:43.49 | kejen | what is firefox called in debian? |
| 21:43.54 | paranoidi | enouf_: there's nothing weird in there |
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| 21:44.07 | enouf_ | paranoidi: see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* ... which Debian version and Kernel? |
| 21:44.11 | nsadmin | !why iceweasel |
| 21:44.11 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 21:44.38 | enouf_ | !hug nsadmin |
| 21:44.38 | dpkg | gives nsadmin a hug |
| 21:45.03 | nsadmin | !botsnack |
| 21:45.03 | dpkg | nsadmin: :) |
| 21:45.08 | kejen | wow |
| 21:45.20 | enouf_ | yeah babay |
| 21:45.33 | nsadmin | or bababay |
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| 21:46.14 | paranoidi | enouf_: just upgraded to 2.6.30 ... I should be running latest testing I guess |
| 21:46.26 | kanon-mat | Vaske_Helper: what part of java do you want? use aptitude search sun |
| 21:46.30 | kejen | why not just use the binary or compile yourself? |
| 21:46.38 | enouf_ | paranoidi: that's useless info |
| 21:46.46 | nsadmin | you can do that if you want... |
| 21:46.55 | kanon-mat | or aptitude search java |
| 21:47.13 | paranoidi | enouf_: you asked ;) |
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| 21:47.21 | jpinx | long story enouf - let me link you ;) http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefox |
| 21:47.24 | kanon-mat | paranoidi: ^5 |
| 21:47.34 | enouf_ | paranoidi: er .. ahh, yes i did, as b) |
| 21:48.43 | enouf_ | jpinx: no thanks - you and your demons and minions can take a dump on a redmond lawn |
| 21:48.52 | jpinx | heh |
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| 21:49.12 | Hanibal | nsadmin, if your're still arround, i'm still getting "sd 0:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery" |
| 21:49.29 | jpinx | ajavid: you still around/awake ? |
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| 21:49.30 | enouf_ | jpinx: listen - which CPU? |
| 21:49.52 | jpinx | enouf_: this one's an old PIII 500MHz ;) |
| 21:49.53 | enouf_ | jpinx: how much RAM? which userland ARCH? |
| 21:50.07 | enouf_ | jpinx: i'm on a pII |
| 21:50.16 | enouf_ | 350MHZ |
| 21:50.27 | jpinx | Ah - ok - you lose ;) I'm just about to trial it on my eeepc |
| 21:50.46 | jpinx | passes links2 to enouf_ ;) |
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| 21:51.11 | nsadmin | Hanibal: hmmm. what if you google the exact text of that message |
| 21:51.13 | enouf_ | no, my system runs rings around p4 netbust crap - and especially your wine celery |
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| 21:51.22 | jpinx | enouf_: fwiw I use links2 for pure speed |
| 21:51.34 | enouf_ | jpinx: i told YOU about links2 |
| 21:51.49 | jpinx | enouf_: I know - thanks buddy :D |
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| 21:52.13 | jpinx | but it's shit at scripts etc:-/ |
| 21:52.13 | enouf_ | !links2 settings |
| 21:52.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, links2 settings is You can allocate more RAM + resources to links2, see File > Resource Info (and Memory Info) -- and then Settings > Cache (to set sizes). Then remember to do Settings > Save Options (once you like them) config file is in ~/.links2/links.cfg. Press [ESC] Help > keys to see some key bindings, and http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html for more - use [ESC] to toggle menu bar (or just click that area). |
| 21:52.21 | kanon-mat | i dont have a /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ folder. should i? |
| 21:52.26 | nsadmin | in soviet russia, links2 tells you about I! |
| 21:52.49 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: you have no idea yet what "kernel.org" is |
| 21:52.56 | enouf_ | no worries |
| 21:53.26 | kanon-mat | i have visited, i have read, i have not understanded |
| 21:53.26 | enouf_ | smacks nsadmin with a phony TAB |
| 21:53.42 | jpinx | enouf_: more resources, but it still can't run scripts and flash and lots of webpages just have to do that:-/ |
| 21:54.09 | enouf_ | jpinx: "more resources" <-- what's more resources? |
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| 21:54.33 | jpinx | your !links2 settings |
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| 21:55.00 | kanon-mat | links2 does flash? |
| 21:55.02 | enouf_ | jpinx: listen, if it doesn't help you, ignore it, thanks |
| 21:55.30 | enouf_ | kanon-mat: flash? which format? |
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| 21:55.40 | kanon-mat | any? |
| 21:55.44 | enouf_ | no |
| 21:55.46 | kanon-mat | :) |
| 21:56.12 | enouf_ | mplayer handles FLV fine, but SWF can suck my ass |
| 21:56.37 | enouf_ | youtube (generally) uses FLV |
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| 21:56.57 | enouf_ | but you wintendo weenies do not realizw |
| 21:57.07 | jpinx | kanon-mat: I use clive and vlc |
| 21:58.35 | kanon-mat | how do you use mplayer in a framebuffer? |
| 21:58.36 | amphi | eew, a blue enouf_ with a tail |
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| 22:01.38 | g00se | jpinx: i could never get clive to work. Never acted on what i took to be the correct youtube url |
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| 22:02.19 | g00se | !msg dpkg vlc |
| 22:02.37 | jpinx | g00se: I just do :~clive http://whatever.the .url.is |
| 22:02.59 | jpinx | clive sorts out where the video is and downloads it |
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| 22:03.46 | jpinx | g00se: I use vlc mostly, but mplayer works too |
| 22:03.51 | g00se | jpinx: i'll try it again |
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| 22:04.13 | kanon-mat | so with clive you get a flv? |
| 22:04.49 | jpinx | kanon-mat: either .flv or .mp4 - vlc copes with both |
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| 22:05.36 | kanon-mat | vlc is not a cli app, right? |
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| 22:06.12 | jpinx | kanon-mat: no - mplayer is |
| 22:06.33 | nkuttler | well, i guess that depends on your definition of cli app.. |
| 22:06.38 | Joelito | ok, hi all...pidgin is not connecting to yahoo server...how to solve this? |
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| 22:06.42 | nkuttler | though mplayer has -vo aa |
| 22:06.53 | kanon-mat | i can run cvlc on a vid, but i only get the sound |
| 22:06.53 | jpinx | nkuttler: true - you can do :~vlc /some/filey |
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| 22:07.28 | jpinx | kanon-mat: vlc needs X |
| 22:07.40 | jpinx | mplayer doesn't |
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| 22:07.42 | kanon-mat | i thought so |
| 22:07.51 | g00se | jpinx: Seems to be playing ball so far. Last tried it under etch |
| 22:08.03 | jpinx | g00se: cool :) |
| 22:08.25 | azeem | Joelito: do you have the version from volatile (in case you run stable)? |
| 22:08.27 | azeem | !volatile |
| 22:08.27 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 22:08.29 | kanon-mat | mplayer -vo aa shows flickering ascii graphics, but it doesnt stay in one place |
| 22:08.47 | g00se | jpinx: It's slow though. Perhaps youtube is throttled ..? |
| 22:08.49 | Joelito | azeem: No, I only have lenny 5.0.2 |
| 22:09.08 | jpinx | kanon-mat: I found tha mpalyer threw me more erroes than vlc |
| 22:09.11 | azeem | Joelito: then install that version |
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| 22:09.49 | jpinx | almost as many as my typos |
| 22:09.53 | Joelito | azeem: Should I add volatil repo? |
| 22:10.00 | azeem | Joelito: sure |
| 22:10.09 | Joelito | azeem: I will try |
| 22:10.17 | azeem | see what dpkg wrote above about volatile |
| 22:10.19 | Joelito | does it need gpg key? |
| 22:10.35 | azeem | I guess it's the same key as the main archive |
| 22:10.37 | azeem | no idea |
| 22:10.52 | azeem | just try and reports errors here (using a pastebin) |
| 22:11.13 | Joelito | ok |
| 22:11.23 | dustybin | how does one specify a new gatway with ifconfig? |
| 22:11.29 | jpinx | g00se: things are always slow when you're watching ;) |
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| 22:12.39 | g00se | jpinx: It's a tortoise next to get_iplayer's hare ;-) |
| 22:12.52 | jpinx | heh - go pay then ;) |
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| 22:13.07 | f0rt | itchi: this is your street address |
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| 22:13.12 | f0rt | 501 E. Moore Drive |
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| 22:13.42 | g00se | jpinx: No payment required ;-) It does a different job though of course |
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| 22:14.49 | crunchie | hi |
| 22:14.54 | crunchie | is 4.0 Sid ? |
| 22:15.02 | azeem | crunchie: no |
| 22:15.21 | jpinx | !versions |
| 22:15.44 | crunchie | hmm |
| 22:15.47 | jpinx | !debian versions |
| 22:15.55 | jpinx | bah |
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| 22:16.34 | Joelito | azeem: I added volatile to my sources list and there's nothing to upgrade :( |
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| 22:16.42 | azeem | Joelito: did you run apt-get update? |
| 22:16.43 | jpinx | !etch |
| 22:16.43 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 22:16.47 | jpinx | crunchie: ^^ |
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| 22:17.01 | Joelito | azeem: yes |
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| 22:17.09 | crunchie | 3.0 is Sid |
| 22:17.20 | azeem | crunchie: do you have a serious question? |
| 22:17.26 | jpinx | !sarge |
| 22:17.27 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>, <sarge sources.list>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 22:17.27 | azeem | Joelito: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy pidgin" |
| 22:17.28 | kanon-mat | crunchie: ? :) |
| 22:17.29 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 22:17.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 22:17.32 | hesco | I'm building multiple installations og RequestTracker on a single apache2 server. Can any users comment on whether I might prefer libapache-mod-fastcgi or libapache2-mod-fcgid ??? |
| 22:17.41 | jpinx | crunchie: ^^ |
| 22:17.50 | azeem | !sid |
| 22:17.50 | dpkg | sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 22:18.05 | jpinx | crunchie: go and read debian.org |
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| 22:18.19 | crunchie | hates reading |
| 22:18.23 | crunchie | i hate reading. |
| 22:18.29 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:18.46 | Joelito | azeem: here => http://pastebin.com/d7aeec48c |
| 22:18.47 | kanon-mat | reading, even better than tv :) |
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| 22:20.01 | azeem | Joelito: hrm, so the 5.0.2 version supersedes the volatile one apparently |
| 22:20.02 | azeem | sorry |
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| 22:21.06 | Joelito | azeem: oh, ok...:( |
| 22:21.21 | g00se | jpinx: What if i just wanted to rip out the sound from the mp4? |
| 22:21.39 | azeem | Joelito: so no idea what your problem is, sorry |
| 22:21.46 | jpinx | g00se: dunno - maybe audacity? |
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| 22:22.06 | fas3r | hello |
| 22:22.12 | Joelito | azeem: ok...I'll just remove the yahoo account from pidgin then :) |
| 22:22.52 | g00se | jpinx: Thanks - i'll look into it |
| 22:23.25 | jpinx | g00se: I;d be interested if you manage that;) |
| 22:24.03 | fas3r | what's wrong with my grub config http://pastebin.com/m6ac43442 ... ? |
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| 22:33.24 | djz | hey, i see to get this everytime i do use apt , Errors were encountered while processing: udev hal gnome-mount initramfs-tools |
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| 22:33.43 | jpinx | djz: use aptitude |
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| 23:07.11 | g00se | jpinx: mplayer -vo null -ao pcm:file=franck-pfv.wav CesarFranckPreludeFugueVariationOp18.mp4 |
| 23:07.14 | Gratz474 | whats the easiest way to see open ports? |
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| 23:08.00 | jpinx | g00se: nice music :) |
| 23:08.10 | g00se | Gratz474: netstat -panl |
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| 23:08.38 | g00se | (That rips the sound from the mp4 film) |
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| 23:08.57 | Gratz474 | g00se, did not show everything no tcp or udp stuff |
| 23:09.03 | jpinx | g00se: excellent job :) |
| 23:09.08 | jpinx | copies the command |
| 23:09.46 | jpinx | g00se: does it rip sound out of a .flv or .mp4 as well? |
| 23:09.49 | Leftmost | I'm using the lenny install disk. I've set up LVM with a separate boot partition. Attempting to install lilo, I get a message that /sbin/lilo failed with error 1. Any idea why this might happen? |
| 23:09.55 | g00se | jpinx: I tried to get it to do mp3 directly, but failed |
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| 23:10.32 | g00se | jpinx: That *was* mp4, but started out on youtube |
| 23:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, sure |
| 23:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | (as long as your mplayer can play flv, which mine can) |
| 23:10.59 | jpinx | g00se: so clive gave you a .mp4 file? |
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| 23:11.17 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: not always - depends on *** |
| 23:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need mencoder to recode to mp3 |
| 23:11.32 | g00se | jpinx: Yes |
| 23:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm actually amazed that pcm:file.wav works |
| 23:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought mplayer only does stream-copy |
| 23:11.51 | jpinx | judd: versions mencoder |
| 23:11.52 | judd | jpinx: mencoder -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090613-0.0 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090629-0.0 |
| 23:11.57 | g00se | Gratz474: Try -pant or -pantl |
| 23:12.36 | jpinx | is there a way to get mplayer to copy a stream to a file? |
| 23:13.14 | g00se | jpinx: You get a file with what i gave you ... |
| 23:13.36 | g00se | jpinx: Or do you mean directly from the youtube to file..? |
| 23:13.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like mencoder -novideo -oac mp3lame somefile.mp4 somefile.mp3 should do it, though |
| 23:13.52 | jpinx | g00se: from a live stream - like a radio station |
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| 23:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, most radio streams ARE mp3! |
| 23:14.26 | jpinx | .pls here CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:14.38 | jpinx | but that might just be a mask |
| 23:14.41 | g00se | jpinx: That's why you need get_iplayer - remember that one? ;-) |
| 23:14.51 | jpinx | g00se: :p |
| 23:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mimms mms://your.stream.com/some.mp3 -o mymp3.mp3 should suffice there |
| 23:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, pls is just a playlist, not the stream |
| 23:15.22 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yea - I guessed |
| 23:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can wget that and extract the real stream url |
| 23:16.04 | jpinx | ok - I'll have a fiddle with that later;) |
| 23:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's http you can do wget http://yourl.stream/someything --referer='url.to.pls-file' -O my.mp3 |
| 23:16.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's mms://, you can use something with mimms like I showed above |
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| 23:16.52 | abrotman | there are loopback recorders |
| 23:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you might also like... wossname |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
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| 23:17.05 | abrotman | i don't think it's in lenny though |
| 23:17.23 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 23:17.52 | Wyzard | Is it just me or is there some sort of weird cycle going on between ia32-apt-get and ia32-libs? |
| 23:18.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh, you just had to hit enter didn't you ? |
| 23:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, look at streamripper... |
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| 23:18.34 | jpinx | judd: versions streamripper |
| 23:18.35 | judd | jpinx: streamripper -- etch: 1.61.27-1+etch1 etch-security: 1.61.27-1+etch1 lenny: 1.63.5-2 sid: 1.64.6-1 squeeze: 1.64.6-1 |
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| 23:19.01 | abrotman | judd: versions vsound |
| 23:19.02 | judd | abrotman: vsound -- etch: 0.6-4.1 |
| 23:19.04 | abrotman | :( |
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| 23:19.38 | Wyzard | ia32-libs depends on ia32-apt-get, which creates a bunch of new packages in a local repository... one of those packages is a seemingly-newer version of ia32-libs, which no longer depends on ia32-apt-get, so aptitude wants to remove it, which puts ia32-libs into the "obsolete and locally-created packages" category |
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| 23:20.13 | Wyzard | and if I remove it, I get the old ia32-libs back, which installs ia32-apt-get again as a dependency |
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| 23:20.31 | Wyzard | It's kinda like a dependency cycle, but more like a dependency feedback loop |
| 23:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | recycling! |
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| 23:23.04 | Wyzard | and there's apparently a newer version of ia32-apt-get available that actually conflicts with ia32-libs, but aptitude hasn't upgraded to that because of this weird dependency knot |
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| 23:24.46 | g00se | jpinx: I'll forget that command, so http://pastebin.com/f499a33bc if you're interested ... |
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| 23:25.24 | jpinx | g00se: looking....... |
| 23:25.48 | Wyzard | hmm... the "old" ia32-libs (version 21, the one that's in the archive) says it's a transitional package that'll be replaced once ia32-apt-get is installed, so apparently it wants me to install the version 1:3.0 that ia32-apt-get creates, but then version 1:3.0 says "it is safe to remove this package" |
| 23:26.25 | jpinx | g00se: well too complicated for me ;) But thanks a lot anyway |
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| 23:27.01 | g00se | It's only a script ;-) |
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| 23:28.50 | Wyzard | Looks like it's pushing me toward a situation where I have to keep ia32-apt-get installed, even though nothing depends on it, because it provides a local repository that contains other packages that things do depend on |
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| 23:30.29 | SuperMiguel | how does debian perform better on a esxi server or on a virtualbox ? |
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| 23:32.00 | nsadmin | SuperMiguel that generally boils down to kernel and I/O performance |
| 23:34.15 | MusashiX90 | If I install a package (aptitude install), and upgrade to a new version with apt-get source, is there a safe way to remove the old package from the initial install? It still shows up under apt-get upgrade saying it needs to be upgraded |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | if you build it from source, and the package you're building has a higher version, that shuld be enough |
| 23:35.56 | nsadmin | it also helps if you're running stable for at least two reasons... |
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| 23:36.17 | nsadmin | one, it's easier to know what's being talked about |
| 23:36.32 | Gratz474 | anyone here ever install djbdns on debian? |
| 23:36.38 | nsadmin | and two, the packaging is less likely to be broken |
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| 23:36.47 | daurnimator_ | hi all |
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| 23:37.02 | daurnimator_ | can someone change all the liblua5.1* packages? |
| 23:37.09 | daurnimator_ | they install to the wrong directory |
| 23:37.14 | nsadmin | !anyone use djbdns |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses djbdns, not even the people who use it. |
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| 23:37.34 | dKingston | question |
| 23:37.47 | dKingston | how do I change the root password of mysql without knowing it? yeah yeah, i lost it. |
| 23:37.50 | nsadmin | witty quip |
| 23:38.25 | nsadmin | I guess you have to back up the database and reinstall? |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | daurnimator_: huh ? how are they wrong? |
| 23:39.49 | abrotman | !tell dKingston about forgot mysql root password |
| 23:40.01 | daurnimator_ | abrotman, lua doesn't search in /usr/lib for librarys, it looks in /usr/local/lib |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | daurnimator_: how did you install lua ? |
| 23:40.34 | daurnimator_ | apt-get install lua5.1 |
| 23:40.50 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense .. sounds like lua is broken, not liblua |
| 23:41.13 | daurnimator_ | that is how lua is meant to be |
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| 23:41.21 | abrotman | maybe when you build it from source |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:41.25 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:41.38 | nsadmin | doesn't lua and all other apps depend on ld.so to link to its libs? |
| 23:42.29 | daurnimator_ | no |
| 23:42.49 | nsadmin | so it's statically linked? |
| 23:43.01 | daurnimator_ | it searches in the dirs specified by it's internal vars: package.path and package.cpath |
| 23:43.20 | nsadmin | so it's not really a dyn lib that it's looking for |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | daurnimator_: i don't use lua, but there's not a single(official) debian package that installs to /usr/local/ .. so if that's where your lua is looking, it's broken |
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| 23:44.03 | nsadmin | if you installed the libs there, that's one thing |
| 23:44.07 | daurnimator_ | nsadmin, it looks for *.so or *.lua in those locatoins (where * is the library you tell it to look for) |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | he's saying he used packages |
| 23:44.16 | daurnimator_ | if it finds a .so , it uses dlopen |
| 23:44.30 | nsadmin | he did? you did? |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | daurnimator_: what is the output of `cat /proc/version` ? |
| 23:44.32 | dKingston | okay now |
| 23:44.36 | dKingston | mysqld isnt forking |
| 23:44.39 | dKingston | when i do mysqld --skip-grant-tables |
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| 23:44.59 | daurnimator_ | abrotman, I use ubuntu, but Linux version 2.6.28-13-generic (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) ) #45-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 30 19:49:51 UTC 2009 |
| 23:45.13 | abrotman | daurnimator_: god damnit .. how the hell would we know about the ubuntu lua packages ... go ask #ubuntu |
| 23:45.21 | daurnimator_ | the packages in question are copied from debian repos though |
| 23:45.58 | daurnimator_ | abrotman, are you able to test if there is the same issue in debian? |
| 23:46.05 | nsadmin | and if ubuntu ships packages that look in or install in /usr/local, that's a -big- difference |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | daurnimator_: which version of lua5.1 ? |
| 23:46.26 | jpinx | daurnimator_: go to #ubuntu before someone here pops a fuse;) |
| 23:46.43 | nsadmin | yeah there's a lot of fuse poppin goin on |
| 23:46.44 | daurnimator_ | apt-get lua5.1 liblua5.1-filesystem0 && lua -l lfs |
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| 23:48.42 | nsadmin | daurnimator_: if what you say is true and some implications of that are also true, then that would represent a difference between debian and ubuntu, specifically official debian packages are NEVER permitted to touch /usr/local in any way |
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| 23:49.19 | abrotman | oh wait .. i said that |
| 23:49.28 | nsadmin | you probably did |
| 23:50.09 | nsadmin | actually I keep hearing that debian packages might be permitted to create dirs there |
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| 23:51.30 | abrotman | 9.1.2 Site-specific programs |
| 23:51.30 | abrotman | As mandated by the FHS, packages must not place any files in /usr/local, either by putting them in the file system archive to be unpacked by dpkg or by manipulating them in their maintainer scripts. |
| 23:51.58 | abrotman | might not be the totally right reference ... |
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| 23:54.38 | Phantomas | Hello, I am trying to install Lenny from a usb stick, and it is in 33% of "Searching drives for an installer ISO image" stage saying "Mounting /dev/hda1..." for many minutes.... any ideas? |
| 23:55.08 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, so what option should i pick? |
| 23:56.51 | nsadmin | what was your issue? I'm looking at 2-3 rooms here, and doing some other stuff too |
| 23:56.57 | SuperMiguel | how does debian perform better on a esxi server or on a virtualbox ? |
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| 23:58.09 | nsadmin | you'd have to try it and run appropriate benchmarks that are appropriate to your -specific- purpose in running debian or linux or really anything |
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| 23:59.01 | nsadmin | btw could you reword that sentence please... it's not making complete sense |
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| 23:59.24 | Phantomas | I've followed this guide to make a bootable stick: http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
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