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| 00:00.35 | nsadmin | and btw, is this esxi server hardware? is virtualbox software? |
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| 00:02.43 | Leftmost | Can I manually install grub to an MBR? I believe it's been written to the wrong device and I don't want to go through base system install all over again. |
| 00:03.02 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, what u mean?? |
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| 00:03.13 | nsadmin | Leftmost: yes you can |
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| 00:03.46 | nsadmin | SuperMiguel: that's exactly the question I'm asking you :) |
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| 00:04.58 | abadger1999 | Greetings. |
| 00:05.24 | robin | so .. iceweasel ... say it locks up, you kill it ... and then when you try to run again it bleats about it already running ... so eventually, you just make a fresh profile with -P ... but its like im on my 3rd profile today already ... this cant be right? |
| 00:05.35 | abadger1999 | Anyone know if there's some Debian Guidelines that tell people not to link against bundled libraries? |
| 00:05.52 | robin | "bundled"? |
| 00:05.57 | abadger1999 | I'm looking for something that's equivalent to this Fedora Guideline: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Bundled_Libraries |
| 00:06.27 | abrotman | !policy |
| 00:06.27 | dpkg | policy is, like, available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 00:06.30 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, im running freebsd as a file/webserver i need to run AD and exchange, so i need to install w2k3. The 2 options im considering: Install debian and install virtualbox and make two machines a freebsd one and a windows one. Or install esxi then install windows and freebsd at that point |
| 00:06.36 | abadger1999 | robin: As in, an application includes a copy of a system library. |
| 00:06.45 | xororand | Is there an easy way to convert a Debian installation from x86 to x86_64? |
| 00:06.46 | abadger1999 | dpkg: Thanks. |
| 00:06.47 | dpkg | abadger1999: sure thing |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | abadger1999: you mean .. like every package has the libraries it will depend on ? |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | abadger1999: oh .. why they aren't allowed |
| 00:07.30 | abadger1999 | abrotman: A subset of those libraries, yeah. I need to persuade an upstream that bundling is a bad idea. |
| 00:07.57 | nsadmin | so esxi and virtualbox are both software |
| 00:08.20 | abrotman | abadger1999: 'security'... that should be enough :) |
| 00:08.28 | robin | nods |
| 00:08.33 | SuperMiguel | nsadmin, if u dont know what they are.. i guess u wont be able to answer my question very well :( |
| 00:09.03 | abadger1999 | abrotman: *grin* I'm constantly surprised by how many upstreams are not persuaded by that argument :-) |
| 00:09.15 | abrotman | abadger1999: you might get a better response from like the debian-devel mailing list asking something like "Does Debian have a policy against duplicating libraries already included in another package for use in a single package" though that was crappy wording |
| 00:09.21 | abadger1999 | thinks too many upstreams have lived too long in the shadow of windows development |
| 00:09.58 | robin | abadger1999, im confused ... you used the words "windows" and "development" in the same sentence |
| 00:10.30 | abadger1999 | robin: Ah, but I managed to avoid using "windows" and "security" together ;-) |
| 00:10.39 | robin | fair point, well made. |
| 00:12.40 | nsadmin | SuperMiguel: if you can install those, then you can run your own benchmarks. Even if I knew everything about them, I still dont' know your application. you are much better off searching for results than asking in the irc channel, especially because an irc channel is not good for tabular data, which would have to be a paste |
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| 00:13.29 | nsadmin | and much much better off generating the results |
| 00:14.11 | nsadmin | think: what does a web server have to do? what things does it use? what kind of I/O does it do mostly? |
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| 00:27.28 | jmoncayo | hey guys, whats a good replacement for sendmail? easy to configure, and rubust |
| 00:27.58 | pl4yer0ne | postfix |
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| 00:28.41 | pl4yer0ne | err that was at you jmoncayo |
| 00:28.49 | nsadmin | jmoncayo: or exim or any of a host of others... I liked qmail myself |
| 00:28.59 | pl4yer0ne | and its extremely well documented at www.postfix.org |
| 00:29.01 | nsadmin | but practically no one else does |
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| 00:31.03 | robin | shudders at the mention of qmail |
| 00:31.14 | jmoncayo | thanks a lot guys |
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| 00:31.50 | robin | ive still not managed to get vpopmail to play nicely with exim4 though ... |
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| 00:33.58 | d_b | Hi, I'm looking for a way to copy tags from one file to another with similar name. Preferably in cli. For example say I have a folder with 123.flac 123.ogg abc.flac abc.ogg, the flacs have tags, the oggs don't. |
| 00:34.12 | phogg | tags? |
| 00:34.17 | srabbelier | Heya, I'm trying to get my headset working, skype already detects and uses it properly as "DA40 Adapter (plughw:Adapter,0)", but I can't figure out how to get other programs (such as Totem) to use it (e.g., to set it as default), where should I be looking? |
| 00:34.50 | phogg | d_b: what kind of tags? |
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| 00:36.33 | exn | how can I restrict programs on my system ? I want to use one proprietary program, but I'm not pretty sure what it do.. |
| 00:37.16 | exn | I can use it with other user privileges, yes, but it can't be useful to use |
| 00:37.33 | exn | I need to catch what this program sends to network |
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| 00:38.51 | krislappy | guys, i have a fresh install of lenny on an acer laptop |
| 00:39.06 | krislappy | acer aspire 3004wlci, but the wireless and sound don't work |
| 00:39.28 | krislappy | i don't care that much about the wireless, but i really need the sound to work |
| 00:39.43 | nsadmin | krislappy: what chipset |
| 00:39.43 | krislappy | i tried some linux driver from the Realtek site, but it doesn't work |
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| 00:40.49 | krislappy | i've no idea tbh |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | that might be the first time i've seen that :) |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | krislappy: does your wired network function ? |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | krislappy: does sound work for root ? |
| 00:41.24 | krislappy | yes, the wired network does function |
| 00:41.40 | krislappy | nope, not even for root |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | krislappy: so you can use pastebin from the laptop ? |
| 00:42.45 | krislappy | yes |
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| 00:42.47 | abrotman | put `lspci -nnk` in a pastebin |
| 00:43.33 | krislappy | just a sec |
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| 00:44.10 | d_b | phogg: I'm not sure, I did them with EasyTag. They're on the flac files. How can I check? |
| 00:44.34 | d_b | phogg: doh, it says right there on EasyTag. FLAC Vorbis tag :) |
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| 00:45.21 | phogg | d_b: So it's actually the same type as the ogg file, likely, which is good. I don't know of any program that will transfer them for you, but you might be able to hack it together |
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| 00:47.12 | d_b | phogg: yeah, apparently it's called "Vorbis comment" but so far I haven't found anything on copying from on file to another |
| 00:48.01 | phogg | d_b: yes, I see it. Like I said, you can probably make it work with a little script |
| 00:48.25 | krislappy | http://pastebin.com/d3029a22e |
| 00:48.27 | krislappy | here we go |
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| 00:50.18 | phogg | d_b: hang on |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | krislappy: as for your wifi .. try |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | !tell krislappy about b43-fwcutter |
| 00:51.13 | d_b | phogg: I think vorbis-tools has something useful for this, will rtfm and see if I find anything :) |
| 00:51.48 | nsadmin | so you have wired ethernet as well as wireless? |
| 00:51.51 | abrotman | oh wait .. does the ssb driver need the b43 firmware ? |
| 00:52.07 | krislappy | abrotman: i'm worried about the sound, the wireless won't get used much |
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| 00:52.21 | abrotman | krislappy: cat /proc/version .. which kernel ? |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | krislappy: i was just commenting |
| 00:52.27 | krislappy | it's a really banged up laptop, i'm surprised it's still working |
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| 00:53.33 | krislappy | thanks |
| 00:53.36 | krislappy | i'll look into it |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | krislappy: so which kernel ? |
| 00:54.30 | phogg | d_b: looks like vorbiscomment cannot read flac? |
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| 00:54.51 | d_b | phogg: ah you're right |
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| 00:55.47 | krislappy | 2.6.26-2 |
| 00:55.55 | abrotman | krislappy: i'm asking because on my system here, the kernel knows about that card |
| 00:56.25 | krislappy | what did you use? |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | krislappy: the same |
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| 00:57.47 | abrotman | !pciid 1039:7012 |
| 00:57.50 | abrotman | whoops |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1039:7012 |
| 00:57.56 | judd | abrotman: [1039:7012] is 'AC'97 Sound Controller' from 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1039:7012 |
| 00:58.07 | nsadmin | abrotman do you mean you installed deb and it autodetected it? |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: i'm saying that hte lenny kernel should know what to do with it |
| 00:58.40 | nsadmin | even just installing it |
| 00:58.50 | nsadmin | maybe he needs to run alsaconf? |
| 00:58.59 | krislappy | i did a netinst, since the cd doesn't work on this bugger |
| 00:59.31 | d_b | phogg: Ah! Metaflac can export tags to file with --export-tags-to=file |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | that's fine .. your kernel (unless you built yours) should see it |
| 00:59.49 | nsadmin | abrotman: did yours need firmware? |
| 00:59.51 | phogg | d_b: ah, good |
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| 01:00.42 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's an intel8x0 ..i doubt it would .. and i don't have it |
| 01:01.06 | nsadmin | hmm... I got confused then... I thought you said you did |
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| 01:02.47 | nsadmin | abrotman is the intel8x0 one of those where you supply the model name to the driver when insserting it? |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | $ grep 1039\.*7012 /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.pcimap |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | snd-intel8x0 0x00001039 0x00007012 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | krislappy: try the same command that i just pasted |
| 01:03.13 | d_b | phogg: thanks for helping! |
| 01:03.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: FIIK .. mine has always just worked |
| 01:03.26 | nsadmin | ohh, you said you have the same kernel |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | gets nsadmin up to the conversational speed |
| 01:04.16 | nsadmin | works out for a minute or 20... |
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| 01:04.53 | iluminator101 | How do you force change your network mask? |
| 01:05.35 | krislappy | nope |
| 01:05.37 | SuperMiguel | ifconfig 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.255 |
| 01:05.43 | krislappy | snd-intel doesn't show up |
| 01:06.22 | phogg | d_b: metaflac can --export-tags-to=file, and vorbiscomment can use --comentfile file |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | krislappy: what does `cat /proc/version` say ? |
| 01:07.08 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:07.08 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 lenny-security: 2.6.26-15lenny3 squeeze: 2.6.26-17 |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | krislappy: wait .. you're on amd64 or i386 ? |
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| 01:07.47 | krislappy | the pc is amd64, but i used an i386 image |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | krislappy: what does `cat /proc/version` say ? |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | the whole thing |
| 01:08.42 | iluminator101 | supermiguel is 192.168.0.1 i should change to my ip right? |
| 01:09.09 | iluminator101 | or the router ip? |
| 01:09.14 | SuperMiguel | iluminator101, ur ip |
| 01:10.14 | SuperMiguel | iluminator101, the full command is: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:11.04 | SuperMiguel | eth0 being ur ethernet adapter, 192.168.1.102 ur ip address and 255.255.255.0 ur netmask |
| 01:11.36 | krislappy | abrotman: Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-17) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:57:38 UTC 2009 |
| 01:11.58 | abrotman | krislappy: you have the same version i do .. but your grep didn't return anything ? |
| 01:12.06 | krislappy | nope |
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| 01:12.37 | abrotman | krislappy: grep 1039 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 01:13.27 | krislappy | still no snd-intel entry |
| 01:14.02 | krislappy | you want me to pastebin it? |
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| 01:14.48 | krislappy | is there a way to add the entry? |
| 01:14.52 | krislappy | or anything? |
| 01:15.34 | iztehsux | hi, i'm wondering why my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is empty but gnome still loads. |
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| 01:15.48 | phogg | iztehsux: recent X doesn't need it, so I hear. |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | krislappy: none at all ? |
| 01:16.04 | phogg | iztehsux: and anyway, it never was used to specify your WM |
| 01:16.13 | iztehsux | phogg: someone else told me that also, but i'm trying to increase the resolution and can't seem to make it work. |
| 01:16.17 | abrotman | iztehsux: it guesses .. it probes the hardware .. tries to guess the best settings |
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| 01:16.25 | abrotman | iztehsux: does 'xrandr' list that mode ? |
| 01:16.41 | iztehsux | abrotman: i ran xrandr but it won't suggest anything higher than 800x600. |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | iztehsux: what is you video card? |
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| 01:16.54 | abrotman | and which version of debian? |
| 01:17.13 | iztehsux | abrotman: debian lenny, i have an ATI video card running on an iBook. |
| 01:17.21 | abrotman | ati isn't specific enough |
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| 01:18.16 | iztehsux | abrotman: it's an ATI rage mobility L AGP 2x with 32 megs of ram. |
| 01:18.42 | phogg | old card |
| 01:19.08 | cockroach | hey. i'm looking for a way to write "rm foo{,-1}/x" (to remove x from foo and foo-1) in a non-bashist way. does anyone have an idea (other than using two commands)? |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | should still support more than 800x600 |
| 01:19.21 | iztehsux | very old card. from trying to research a little, i understand that the max resolution on this should be 1024x768, but i'm not hitting paydirt. |
| 01:19.27 | phogg | iztehsux: in my opinion tough X may be able to work with no xorg.conf it is likely to benefit from one for now, and probably for a long time. There's no way it knows what I like, you see. |
| 01:19.43 | phogg | s/tough/though/ |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | cockroach: is that a bash-ism? |
| 01:19.56 | krislappy | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d2b0ee511 |
| 01:20.10 | iztehsux | well i added some lines into the (empty) xorg.conf file specifying the higher resolution, but it appears to ignore my settings completely. |
| 01:20.11 | krislappy | only that comes out |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | cockroach: there is a ##posix if that helps ? |
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| 01:20.20 | cockroach | abrotman: apparently. i received a bugreport from checkbashisms... |
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| 01:20.32 | cockroach | okay, thank, i'll ask there |
| 01:21.18 | phogg | cockroach: just list both files, rm can remove multiple in one command |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | krislappy: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.pcimap |
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| 01:22.12 | cockroach | phogg: sure, but it won't fit on one line anymore :) |
| 01:22.28 | phogg | cockroach: terrible! |
| 01:22.38 | cockroach | phogg: indeed! |
| 01:22.43 | cockroach | heh, but okay, i'll just do that |
| 01:22.58 | krislappy | abrotman: 1-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 277285 2009-07-07 02:26 /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.pcimap |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | yours is a fair bit smaller than mine |
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| 01:23.20 | krislappy | :S |
| 01:23.25 | user____ | hi |
| 01:23.27 | user____ | i am justin |
| 01:23.29 | abrotman | krislappy: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 01:23.31 | crunchie | hi |
| 01:23.32 | user____ | i am new here |
| 01:23.50 | crunchie | kdm all of a sudden stoped working. I turned my pc on, and now the desktop wont show. |
| 01:23.51 | justin-he | hehe |
| 01:23.54 | justin-he | right ? |
| 01:24.00 | crunchie | im at a black screen with white letters. gtty i belive |
| 01:24.11 | crunchie | kdm is running, but no desktop. |
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| 01:24.29 | justin-he | ATL+F7 ? |
| 01:24.40 | iztehsux | abrotman and phogg thank you both for your suggestions and input |
| 01:24.53 | iztehsux | i'm going to try and play around with this some more. i appreciate it. |
| 01:25.23 | justin-he | shit irssi for windows is about 50M |
| 01:25.28 | crunchie | xorgs log file says. (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 01:26.19 | phogg | justin-he: even the cygwin version? |
| 01:26.42 | krislappy | i'm running irssi on cygwin |
| 01:27.00 | krislappy | it's not that big |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | looks at the channel name ... |
| 01:27.20 | abrotman | krislappy: is it working ? |
| 01:27.22 | Gun_Smoke | anyone know which link contains the paragraph on top posing.. goes something like answer, question, answer.. debian doc.. I can't find it. |
| 01:27.29 | krislappy | it's still doing it |
| 01:27.32 | Gun_Smoke | for mailing lists^ |
| 01:27.33 | phogg | crunchie: do you have a Load line in xorg.conf for "type1" ? |
| 01:28.01 | krislappy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 297851 2009-07-07 03:26 /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.pcimap |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | crunchie: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the output line |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | krislappy: much better |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | krislappy: now try that grep command again |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | $ grep 1039\.*7012 /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/modules.pcimap |
| 01:28.31 | krislappy | snd-intel8x0 0x00001039 0x00007012 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 01:28.34 | krislappy | snd-intel8x0m 0x00001039 0x00007013 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | much much better |
| 01:28.38 | krislappy | and there it is :D |
| 01:28.46 | krislappy | now i should restart?? |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | krislappy: you'll need to reboot the laptop though |
| 01:28.50 | krislappy | ok |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | or at least try to load the module |
| 01:29.55 | crunchie | abrotman: ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 01:30.18 | crunchie | phogg: yes |
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| 01:30.32 | crunchie | phogg: should i comment it ? |
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| 01:32.11 | crunchie | FATAL: Module type1 not found. |
| 01:32.26 | crunchie | cant modprobe it. |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | it's not a kernel module |
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| 01:33.03 | abrotman | crunchie: did you upgrade from etch ? |
| 01:33.42 | crunchie | no. the last thing i installed was virtual box. and i added a sid line |
| 01:33.45 | justin-he | yesh |
| 01:33.53 | crunchie | to sources.list |
| 01:33.59 | justin-he | anybody from australia ? |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | crunchie: that wasn't a very good idea |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | justin-he: this is not a social channel |
| 01:34.08 | crunchie | crappy tutorial |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | crunchie: put your xorg.conf in a pastebin |
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| 01:34.58 | crunchie | xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m33e37626 |
| 01:35.05 | justin-he | abrotman: hoho,ok,would you please advice me a social channel ? |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | justin-he: /topic .. it lists one |
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| 01:35.20 | abrotman | or #defocus |
| 01:35.20 | krislappy | wwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooot |
| 01:35.22 | krislappy | it works! |
| 01:35.34 | krislappy | abrotman is my hero :D |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | krislappy: and your wifi ? |
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| 01:35.46 | krislappy | i'll deal with that tomorrow |
| 01:35.50 | crunchie | sorry wrong xorg |
| 01:35.52 | krislappy | i need some sleep |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | crunchie: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak .. try to restart X |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | krislappy: enjo |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | y |
| 01:36.06 | iluminator101 | How do you find out if someone is snorting you? |
| 01:36.09 | krislappy | thank mate :) |
| 01:36.12 | justin-he | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 01:36.36 | krislappy | abrotman is getting an ovation :) |
| 01:36.41 | crunchie | http://pastebin.com/m2bbbebb8 |
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| 01:36.58 | iluminator101 | abortman is the man, he helped me out many times too |
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| 01:37.33 | abrotman | sorry .. i won't let that happen again! |
| 01:37.49 | abrotman | crunchie: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak .. try to restart X |
| 01:37.54 | iluminator101 | thanks again for all your help, you know i appreciate it |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | iluminator101: and if you're not running some sort of software that notices when people try all your ports, you won't know |
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| 01:38.47 | fas3r | hello |
| 01:38.52 | iluminator101 | i am running psad...and its getting hit left and right |
| 01:39.23 | iluminator101 | plus when i do tail /var/log/messages |
| 01:39.24 | fas3r | can i integrated IPSec/L2TP VPN using Radius with eap tls ? (for the radius auth..) |
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| 01:40.12 | iluminator101 | http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d6e7fb84b |
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| 01:41.24 | iluminator101 | when i change the mask the link filter is off temporary |
| 01:41.35 | crunchie | abrotman: i rolled back to this xorg.conf and logfile says it's still looking for type1 http://pastebin.com/m351cdb7b |
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| 01:42.37 | fas3r | because i know we can use L2TP with radius and mschap ... but no idea for eap tls |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | crunchie: that's hwy i asked you to move it out of the way |
| 01:43.12 | crunchie | what if i sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 01:43.29 | abrotman | won't do a darn thing in lenny |
| 01:43.31 | crunchie | oh my bad. |
| 01:43.48 | ajavid | start a new clean file with drxx |
| 01:43.50 | ajavid | or X -configure |
| 01:44.18 | iluminator101 | whats the difference between testing and sid...i dont see too much of a difference? |
| 01:44.36 | ajavid | iluminator101, /msg dpkg testing . /msg dpkg sid |
| 01:44.38 | aaron | !tell iluminator101 about sid |
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| 01:45.34 | fas3r | no idea ? |
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| 01:46.27 | crunchie | abrotman: i got rid of xorg.conf, still get (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 01:46.30 | crunchie | i rebooted |
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| 01:47.06 | abrotman | that's awesome |
| 01:48.21 | crunchie | i'll just do an X -configure |
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| 01:48.27 | ajavid | STRONG THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING WIND GUSTS TO 50 MPH... MARBLE SIZE HAIL... FREQUENT LIGHTNING... AND HEAVY DOWNPOURS OF RAIN WILL AFFECT AREAS AROUND BATON ROUGE...Get WeatherReady |
| 01:48.31 | ajavid | * WeatherReady Safety Guide * More Severe Weather Readiness Tips * National and Local Weather News * Slioh fuck me |
| 01:48.34 | ajavid | wth |
| 01:48.43 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 01:49.42 | crunchie | X: command not found |
| 01:49.53 | ajavid | crunchie, aptitude install xorg |
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| 01:52.01 | jpinx | ajavid: did you look at quickfox- better than ff3.5 on wine ;) |
| 01:52.05 | SuperMiguel | is debina KVM better than virtualbox/vmware? |
| 01:52.11 | ajavid | jpinx, no |
| 01:52.11 | SuperMiguel | debian* |
| 01:52.13 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, no |
| 01:52.29 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, 'better' generally considering its speed and configurability and features |
| 01:52.37 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, not just no, a HELL no. |
| 01:52.56 | SuperMiguel | ajavid, umm is esxi 'better' than virtualbox? |
| 01:53.06 | ajavid | absolutely |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | ajavid: seriously .. keep it on topic .. |
| 01:53.19 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, again... better not just in my opinion |
| 01:53.28 | ajavid | abrotman, stupid mouse middle paste |
| 01:53.35 | ajavid | abrotman, I know better than that. Shush. |
| 01:53.41 | crunchie | ugh and here i installed virtual box |
| 01:53.45 | abrotman | but you can't control your mouse .. sure |
| 01:53.59 | SuperMiguel | ajavid, how easy is to share a raid 5 over few os's in esxi? |
| 01:54.17 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, that I do not know. That depends on your knowledge and skill level. |
| 01:54.26 | ajavid | SuperMiguel, but if you have to ask, pretty hard. |
| 01:54.46 | c0m1 | leaves to save the world |
| 01:55.02 | nsadmin | there... done :) |
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| 01:56.40 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: in most cases, kqemu and kvm perform fairly close to the bare metal speed |
| 01:58.08 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: but you're much better off doing the benchmarks using the applications that you actually plan on running |
| 01:58.42 | SuperMiguel | will i see alot of difference between kvm and esxi? |
| 01:59.11 | cmyers_work | SuperMiguel: if you can tell us more about your usecase, we can probably give more useful info. As for sharing a drive across VM's, why not just use NFS to share from host to guests? network will stay inside the machine, and be fast, and NFS (or some other network firesharing protocol) already handles all the locking/contention problems. |
| 01:59.52 | SuperMiguel | cmyers_home, good point |
| 02:00.27 | cmyers_work | also, you are asking things nobody is likely to know. As dondelelcaro said, the best bet is to just try the specific applications you have in mind |
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| 02:00.38 | cmyers_work | performance is going to vary a lot depending on what exactly you are running. |
| 02:00.56 | SuperMiguel | cmyers_home, well i have debian as a file/webserver, i want to run windows for DC and exchange server |
| 02:01.21 | SuperMiguel | cmyers_home, so i dont want to buy another system, my system is a amd 6000+ 8gb of ram, 4tb of store and this mb: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138130 |
| 02:02.09 | cmyers_work | for personal use, I would run debian as the host, and use openbox or vmware to run a windows guest and use samba to share the filesysetm and mount it on windows. |
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| 02:02.52 | cmyers_work | for production use, neither openbox nor vmware are particularly stable, and esxi is much more stable |
| 02:03.14 | cmyers_work | it all depends on how much money you want to spend and how expensive downtime is for you |
| 02:03.25 | SuperMiguel | cmyers_home, home use :) just learning experience :) |
| 02:03.39 | iluminator101 | my wifi appears to be working manually, but wicd does not pick it up |
| 02:03.40 | cmyers_work | yeh, then I'd do debian host, openbox windows guest. |
| 02:03.58 | SuperMiguel | virtualbox u mean? |
| 02:03.58 | iluminator101 | maybe i have to restart for it pick it up |
| 02:04.08 | Wyzard | ESXi is free-of-charge, but the client app used for administration is Windows-only |
| 02:04.09 | ajavid | abrotman, mouse.pl for isssi had me screwing up |
| 02:04.13 | cmyers_work | erm, yeh, virtualbox* |
| 02:04.34 | ajavid | 09:04 >>> Irssi: Script mouse unloaded |
| 02:04.36 | ajavid | :D |
| 02:04.53 | ajavid | sorry. |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | you just keep blaming irssi all day long |
| 02:04.57 | cmyers_work | Wyzard: is it? I thought it required a contract. You still can't get tools to make images without paying, right? |
| 02:05.20 | ajavid | abrotman, I've been busy moving from box t obox and reconfiguring and cofiguring and reconfiguing |
| 02:05.30 | Wyzard | cmyers_home: ESX is the full product that costs money; I don't know much about that |
| 02:05.44 | cmyers_work | ah |
| 02:05.50 | Wyzard | cmyers_home: ESXi is just the hypervisor |
| 02:06.09 | Wyzard | I tried it out once... it works, but I didn't like having to use a Windows machine just to create and manage VMs |
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| 02:06.19 | cmyers_work | yeh, that is weak sauce. |
| 02:06.51 | cmyers_work | does it work in wine? *ducks* |
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| 02:07.04 | ajavid | mouse gestures in irssi... new thing for me so i was trying it out, had a old stuff in buffer that got pasted by accident. no big deal. |
| 02:07.17 | Wyzard | It's a .NET app, I think, so it *might* be possible to run in mono, but I really don't know |
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| 02:08.18 | ajavid | and not all day long, like twice. just now and then before with the #debian topic with the %23 |
| 02:08.21 | ajavid | sheesh. |
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| 02:33.22 | songer | hola |
| 02:33.27 | ajavid | Que pasa? |
| 02:34.17 | songer | nada |
| 02:34.18 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.01 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:35.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:37.50 | pablo | hi, how many times will a package migrate to testing? http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/splix.html |
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| 02:38.50 | abrotman | pablo: as many times as it needs ? |
| 02:39.10 | pablo | abrotman: but the same version of the package? |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | pablo: maybe different architectures ? |
| 02:40.02 | nsadmin | could be the same version... new bugs could be found, etc |
| 02:40.18 | fas3r | why i need to use 2 different certificat for mysql ssl, one for mysqld and one for " the client" in my.conf ? what mean "the client" (it's when a mysql user open a session ? ) |
| 02:40.47 | nsadmin | things other than the package could change, which could introduce bugs |
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| 02:43.47 | nsadmin | just type its name |
| 02:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pablo, I feel this is kinda like double-posting... |
| 02:44.13 | songer | I want to upgrate to sid |
| 02:44.28 | abrotman | songer: please don't |
| 02:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you want us to lart you a bit before you do? |
| 02:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | pablo, someone didn't see his command take effect and repeated it? |
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| 02:46.11 | pablo | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, didnt understand what you said |
| 02:46.17 | Demosthenes | ok, so i'm on lenny. pidgin's got a major problem with yahoo that is fixed in the latest code (2.5.7?).... what is everyone else doing to keep functionality? i could roll my own but thats not a "debian" solution |
| 02:46.17 | songer | abrotman, why |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 02:47.23 | streuner | Demosthenes: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:47.48 | Demosthenes | backports is only up to 2.5.5, testing is at 2.5.6 |
| 02:47.56 | streuner | Demosthenes: it would be ONE option, but there were debs around (in the past at least) |
| 02:48.01 | Demosthenes | sid's at 2.5.8 which would be sufficient... |
| 02:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | then /msg dpkg ssb |
| 02:48.08 | songer | but |
| 02:48.24 | streuner | Demosthenes: why not just read the factoid? |
| 02:48.52 | Demosthenes | easy enough |
| 02:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | too easy |
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| 02:50.03 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.28 | songer | I conect to internet to pci wireless |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | what does sid have to do with your wifi ? |
| 02:50.53 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | there is a .29 kernel at backports.org |
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| 02:52.29 | tczern | hello, I need to re-install gtk+ for etch, what exactly is the name of this package? |
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| 02:53.18 | Section58 | and tech heads wanna talk about how to stop my box getting really ill |
| 02:53.29 | Section58 | something on the box is crashing |
| 02:53.38 | Section58 | and forcing the box into a call trace mode |
| 02:53.51 | Section58 | but i don't really know what i am looking at in the logs |
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| 02:54.46 | MalaFide | tczern, apt-cache search libgtk |grep libgtk |
| 02:54.48 | ajavid | 04:16 #debian: < jpinx> ajavid: ok - and what did you do to fix it <- with wine packages in lenny. 1.0.1 amd64 |
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| 02:55.39 | jpinx | ajavid: I used wine latest from winhq repo and FF3.5 just ran - but with font issues |
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| 02:55.50 | ajavid | ajavid, it didnt' crash? |
| 02:55.53 | jpinx | ajavid: but quick fox 3.5 doesn't have font issues |
| 02:56.00 | jpinx | no - no crashes |
| 02:56.04 | ajavid | jpinx, amd64? lenny? |
| 02:56.16 | jpinx | ajavid: PIII 500 lenny |
| 02:56.18 | tczern | I cannot start nautilus because missing: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 02:56.25 | ajavid | jpinx, I'm on amd64 |
| 02:56.28 | tczern | can I re-install this with apt? |
| 02:56.33 | ajavid | x86 is totally fine |
| 02:56.58 | ajavid | tczern, apt-cache search libgtk |
| 02:57.29 | jpinx | ajavid: ok - but try swiftfox 3.5 it seems to work ot fo the box~ |
| 02:57.33 | tczern | scrolls a long list! |
| 02:57.41 | Section58 | http://pastebin.com/d3201716f <-- can someone talk me thu this |
| 02:57.50 | ajavid | tczern, libgtkextra-x11-2.0-1 |
| 02:57.50 | Section58 | something goes bang about this time |
| 02:57.56 | ajavid | I think this maybe it? |
| 02:57.59 | Section58 | then everything else fails |
| 02:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell tczern -about apt-file |
| 02:58.09 | ajavid | oh doh i forgot |
| 02:58.19 | Gratz474 | anyone here know how dns works well? |
| 02:58.35 | jpinx | Gratz474: ask |
| 02:58.36 | ajavid | libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 02:58.40 | MalaFide | Gratz474,ask your real question |
| 02:58.43 | Gratz474 | ok |
| 02:59.00 | tczern | oh oh, I cannot follow anymore |
| 02:59.04 | ajavid | tczern, aptitude install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 02:59.10 | tczern | ok |
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| 03:00.26 | Gratz474 | so with dns when someone request nintendo.com say it ask your isp's nameserver for the record if you never went to that site otherwise the cache right? caches are usually updated every 2-48 hours right? |
| 03:00.27 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks man. Sometimes I forget and have cranial flatulance. |
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| 03:00.59 | abrotman | Gratz474: depends on the how the DNS server is setup |
| 03:01.02 | Gratz474 | if no cache is found it will ask icann and icann sends you to that tld's server right? .com for instance whomever owns that tld ? |
| 03:01.06 | jpinx | Gratz474: caches depend on ttls |
| 03:01.11 | tczern | GTK--Warning **: cannot open display |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | as root ? |
| 03:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeh - answering things yourself instead of botting people... I thought something was wrong :-P |
| 03:01.25 | tczern | after I installed libgtk |
| 03:01.28 | tczern | root, yes |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | try it as the user |
| 03:01.42 | Section58 | Hello, can someone please tell me what my server is trying to tell me in this paste http://pastebin.com/d890305c ?? |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | Gratz474: cut to the chase! |
| 03:01.45 | Gratz474 | forget how long its stored but this is how it works right then the tld's server gives the ip of the nameserver correct? |
| 03:01.52 | Gratz474 | is this how dns works? |
| 03:02.01 | Gratz474 | do i have it correctly |
| 03:02.03 | Gratz474 | ? |
| 03:02.09 | jpinx | Gratz474: what's your REAL question? |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | Gratz474: . -> .com -> nintendo.com |
| 03:02.13 | tczern | gimme a second |
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| 03:02.22 | Gratz474 | . being i cann? |
| 03:02.23 | ajavid | oom killer |
| 03:02.24 | ajavid | oh shit. |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | Section58: you don't have enough RAM/SWAP |
| 03:02.32 | cmyers_work | anyone have a good fix for when random keys start repeating because of load on your machine? Makes typing almost unbearable =( |
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| 03:02.45 | abrotman | 1.5GB of ram ? |
| 03:02.53 | Section58 | 512mb |
| 03:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmyers_work, xset -r? |
| 03:02.55 | Gratz474 | right the . is icann right? |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | Section58: but 1GB of swap ? |
| 03:03.08 | cmyers_work | CutMeOwnThroat: .....actually...jeez, that's not a bad idea. |
| 03:03.08 | Section58 | i have had no problems till this week, she was online for 423 days |
| 03:03.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmyers_work, err, I mean xset r off |
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| 03:03.23 | Section58 | i am unsure, how would i check this ? |
| 03:03.30 | cmyers_work | bam |
| 03:03.36 | cmyers_work | problem sovled forevar! |
| 03:03.41 | Section58 | so... maybe i have a process that has a memoery leak ? |
| 03:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but no key repeat |
| 03:03.50 | ajavid | Section58, check what |
| 03:03.53 | Gratz474 | abrotman, right? heheh |
| 03:03.56 | ajavid | Section58, top output? watch mem level? |
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| 03:04.00 | poseidon | Anyone know of a package to pull in the acmkdir tool? |
| 03:04.18 | ajavid | virt |
| 03:04.29 | Section58 | if i have a ram/swap problem, apart from top/free i don't know how to change these things to make it not break |
| 03:04.33 | ajavid | also, for 1.5 mem, you should make 3 swap |
| 03:04.42 | ajavid | at least. swap is ram you don't have but you want. |
| 03:04.46 | Section58 | i only have 512mb of ram |
| 03:04.55 | ajavid | so make a 1gb or more swap |
| 03:04.56 | tczern | I booted into gnome now, it's all banged up, no icons |
| 03:05.07 | Section58 | so i good how to make more swap ? |
| 03:05.10 | Section58 | *google |
| 03:05.25 | ajavid | Section58, they have various 'rules' that go with swap file making, but the one that matters most is this. SWAP is RAM you wish you had. Simple. Make a bigger swap |
| 03:05.40 | Section58 | rgr |
| 03:05.50 | poseidon | I couldn't find it in the pdo and a few queries from google gave some faint hints that it might not be in the debian repos |
| 03:05.54 | bcw | poseidon, go to http://packages.debian.org/file:acmkdir |
| 03:05.55 | ajavid | Section58, you can do it as a file and mount it as swap instead of creating a new swap partition |
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| 03:05.59 | ajavid | !swap |
| 03:05.59 | dpkg | i heard swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 03:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually many people with >2GB or so ram stop using swap because they never fill the RAM anyway :) |
| 03:06.06 | jpinx | Section58: make another swapfile and add it |
| 03:06.20 | bcw | (there doesn't appear to be one) |
| 03:06.24 | poseidon | bcw -> "Sorry, your search gave no results" |
| 03:06.25 | jpinx | has 2Gb RAM and no swap |
| 03:06.25 | bcw | in lenny at least |
| 03:06.27 | poseidon | already checked |
| 03:06.27 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, I have 8GB ram. I think I should make a 16GB swap ;) |
| 03:06.29 | ajavid | j/k. |
| 03:06.33 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: true, but it wouldn't hurd... |
| 03:06.46 | Section58 | is there good swap commands to show me info (better than du) |
| 03:06.53 | bcw | poseidon, ok. sorry to both you, idk |
| 03:06.58 | bcw | bother* |
| 03:07.09 | tczern | hmm, seems to work, but all icons are gone |
| 03:07.10 | jpinx | ajavid: you don;t need swap unless you're doing CAD or something then |
| 03:07.16 | poseidon | it's k |
| 03:07.19 | ajavid | jpinx, i know :) |
| 03:07.29 | tczern | thanks a lot, I am already happy, but how can I restore the looks now? |
| 03:07.30 | MalaFide | Section58,"free" and "top" |
| 03:07.40 | jpinx | Section58: there's lots about swap in teh debian wiki |
| 03:07.45 | ajavid | cat /etc/meminfo |
| 03:07.46 | jpinx | wrote some of it ;) |
| 03:07.46 | ajavid | doh |
| 03:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I myself also think having 2Xsize(RAM) doesn't hurt a BIT when you take it out of a 500GB disk or so |
| 03:07.51 | ajavid | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 03:08.01 | poseidon | It just seems like it would something that would definitely be in the debian repos since it's somewhat a part of the gnu build system |
| 03:08.06 | Section58 | ok, so i have 1.5 gig in swap |
| 03:08.15 | Section58 | i think i must have a process somewhere that just wants too much |
| 03:08.24 | jpinx | Section58: top |
| 03:08.35 | ajavid | MemTotal: 8198168 kB -- Cached: 6429880 kB |
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| 03:08.37 | Section58 | the box was up for over a year.,. then i had te reboot her 3 times in the last week |
| 03:08.40 | tczern | some applications won't start at all, Ardour e,g, |
| 03:08.42 | ajavid | I have so much ram I dunno what to do with it |
| 03:08.44 | ajavid | :( |
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| 03:08.55 | jpinx | ajavid: pass some of it over here |
| 03:09.16 | MalaFide | tczern, start the app from a terminal. check what it writes in there |
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| 03:09.28 | zhxk | hello,geltlemen, which consume more memory for eastern language, multibyte or wide_char? |
| 03:09.34 | ajavid | jpinx, I originally wanted 16GB and my mobo can support it, but only has 4 slots on it, so I put in the cheaper ram of 4x 2gb. The 4x 4gb was too much money still |
| 03:09.44 | MalaFide | poseidon,what are you looking for? |
| 03:09.53 | ajavid | zhxk, why? |
| 03:09.54 | tczern | could not create Ardour GUI |
| 03:09.59 | jpinx | ajavid: yea 4Gb sticks cost |
| 03:10.27 | MalaFide | tczern, what did you do to break it all? |
| 03:11.03 | Section58 | is there a way to log what pid/process is taking all that ram before i reboot her? |
| 03:11.06 | tczern | I was trying to updated gimp and installed a newer version of gtk+, then I uninstalled it and boooom! |
| 03:11.10 | poseidon | MalaFide, the acmkdir tool |
| 03:11.17 | ajavid | why do continue to refer to a system as 'her' |
| 03:11.19 | Section58 | cause ofc, after the reboot everything resets and i have no way of knowing want wanted all the ram |
| 03:11.30 | jpinx | Section58: does top not tell you? |
| 03:11.43 | MalaFide | tczern,you uninstalled gtk while apps still depend on it? were you mixing debian branches? |
| 03:11.48 | Section58 | top doesn't tell me now.. cause i rebooted it. and she has over a gig free in swap |
| 03:11.48 | jpinx | Section58: man ps - lots of info available there |
| 03:12.15 | Section58 | i need to work out the process that broke, to want all that ram that wasn't avilible |
| 03:12.16 | tczern | MalaFide: I overwrote etch with compiling from source |
| 03:12.24 | zhxk | ajavid:? |
| 03:12.30 | jpinx | Section58: you can't diagnose a problem that doesn't exist atm... ;) |
| 03:12.37 | Section58 | indeed |
| 03:12.43 | jpinx | Section58: man ps |
| 03:12.45 | tczern | I didn't know that a gtk library would harm my system, now I do :-( |
| 03:12.53 | Section58 | so i need to work out a way of logging it, so when it does i will know :) |
| 03:12.56 | Section58 | ps.. rgr that |
| 03:12.57 | MalaFide | tczern,uninstall gtk and all that depends on it, then reinstall it |
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| 03:13.36 | MalaFide | tczern,compiling from source and removing the compiled stuff harms your system when you don't know what you're doing |
| 03:13.57 | tczern | I had a strange feeling when I was doing this |
| 03:14.06 | Section58 | so i need to make a cron, that runs ps -aux every 5 mins to a file |
| 03:14.12 | Section58 | is that the best way ? |
| 03:14.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, it's his board computer... and as such soul of the ship... therefore 'her' :) |
| 03:14.37 | ajavid | didn't know that a gtk library would harm my system, now I do :-( |
| 03:14.37 | ajavid | 10:12 < Section58> so i need to work out a way of logging it, so when it does i will know :) |
| 03:14.40 | ajavid | 10:12 < Section58> ps.. rgr that |
| 03:14.41 | ajavid | goddamit |
| 03:14.43 | ajavid | 10:12 < MalaFide> tczern,uninstall gtk and all that depends on it, then reinstall it |
| 03:14.47 | ajavid | seriously... fuck. |
| 03:15.03 | ajavid | CutMeOwnThroat, I'd laugh but im fucking pissed man. |
| 03:15.07 | tczern | what gtk? Synaptic is full of gtks! |
| 03:15.07 | jpinx | hands ajavid a ot towel |
| 03:15.12 | jpinx | *hot -- even |
| 03:15.14 | poseidon | It's in the gnu autotoolset source tarbell -> http://autotoolset.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/autotoolset/trunk/src/acmkdir/ |
| 03:15.14 | ajavid | my keyboard started to suck, now my goddmn mouse started to suck |
| 03:15.20 | ajavid | this is just not myfucking day is it |
| 03:15.21 | ajavid | goddamit. |
| 03:15.40 | ajavid | fuck it |
| 03:15.41 | ajavid | I'm out |
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| 03:15.55 | nsadmin | clean it! |
| 03:16.28 | crunchie | X -configure fixed it. i'll have to reinstall nvidia but at least i got the desktop back. just curious. where did type1 come from? |
| 03:16.38 | MalaFide | poseidon,did you check pdo for a package or a file? |
| 03:16.44 | poseidon | both |
| 03:16.59 | MalaFide | crunchie, from adobe |
| 03:17.00 | nsadmin | type1 fonts were the first scalable fonts for mac |
| 03:17.28 | tczern | wooooooaaaaaaah, I got my system back!!! |
| 03:17.37 | tczern | thanks a 1000 for helping me |
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| 03:21.02 | Section58 | ok, so one more time just to check |
| 03:21.05 | Section58 | as i was just guessing |
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| 03:21.49 | Section58 | will running a cron, to run ps -aux > $timestamp.txt help me in my quest to find out what is having the memory issue that takes all my ram ? |
| 03:21.50 | adb | vncserver, + vncviewer get error on RFB 003.008 http .. on lenny |
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| 03:23.47 | MalaFide | !bts |
| 03:23.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 03:25.02 | Section58 | :( |
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| 03:26.29 | Omni | I'm trying to install openssh-server, though apt-get, and it tells me "media changed: please insert medium titled "Debian 7 _Lenny_ 20090403 4:20" and press enter |
| 03:26.33 | anondaemon | hey |
| 03:26.35 | Omni | why does it need the disk again? |
| 03:26.40 | anondaemon | i need some helps |
| 03:26.50 | anondaemon | i'm trying to decide on a distro for my server |
| 03:26.57 | anondaemon | what sets debian aside from the others? |
| 03:26.59 | cmyers_work | if anyone was curious, adding unstable sources and force-installing just pidgin, while running squeeze, does seem to work and solve the yahoo messenger problem. |
| 03:27.15 | Omni | and I don't have the disk anymore, so... :\ |
| 03:27.31 | blouf | hi |
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| 03:27.31 | nsadmin | anondaemon: stability and ease of upgrades (but downgrades are not supported, so if you want that you have to back up) |
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| 03:27.50 | blouf | anyway to add a boot splash screen to squeeze without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 03:28.04 | anondaemon | nsadmin: is that all? |
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| 03:28.34 | Omni | anondaemon: I like the wide availability of packages... if that helps. |
| 03:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Omni, edit your sources.list ... remove the cd and add repositories from the internet |
| 03:28.41 | nsadmin | anondaemon: probably the largest amount of software packaged, but you can also build anything you want |
| 03:29.07 | anondaemon | hmmm |
| 03:29.09 | anondaemon | thank you guyse |
| 03:29.12 | anondaemon | guise* |
| 03:29.16 | anondaemon | you've been of much assistance |
| 03:29.44 | Omni | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't _have_ the disk. It's never asked me for a disk before either. :\ But alright, I'll check my sources, thanks |
| 03:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | blouf, http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ I guess |
| 03:30.14 | nsadmin | the os you choose should be the one that works, whatever it is |
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| 03:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Omni, edit /etc/apt/sources.list - there's a cdrom:// in there if it's asking you for a disk |
| 03:30.35 | jpinx | the one that works *for you* ;) |
| 03:30.50 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 03:31.18 | nsadmin | and it could be that more than one fit all that |
| 03:31.28 | Omni | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, I see what I did there. there's a cdrom uncommented. how inconvenient. thanks, all better now! |
| 03:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | blouf, bah, or just apt-get install splashy and read through its docs |
| 03:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, MS windows? |
| 03:32.38 | jpinx | blouf: find man splashy on a website - google it |
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| 03:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | runs |
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| 03:33.34 | blouf | thx CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:33.41 | Section58 | ps aux > pslog.%Y%m%d%H%M%S.log <-- whats the correct way to write this ? |
| 03:33.52 | anondaemon | what do you guys think of gentoo? |
| 03:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that it belongs into #gentoo? |
| 03:34.17 | jpinx | if it works for you CutMeOwnThroat - I would not deny you:p |
| 03:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, ah, I just remember... that was "work AGAINST" |
| 03:34.40 | fogus | guys, how to do service sshd restart? http://pastebin.com/d114ba93e |
| 03:35.05 | streuner | fogus: /etc/init.d/foo restart? |
| 03:35.53 | anondaemon | i mean |
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| 03:36.03 | anondaemon | what can you tell me about gentoo from a debian perspective? |
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| 03:36.25 | MalaFide | anondaemon, that it's OT in here |
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| 03:36.51 | anondaemon | but i want it to be relative to debian |
| 03:36.53 | anondaemon | like |
| 03:36.57 | anondaemon | what are their differences |
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| 03:37.05 | MalaFide | anondaemon,please stop. you are OT |
| 03:37.10 | cmyers_work | dpkg: tell anondaemon about gentoo |
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| 03:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | anondaemon, but it's not hard to find opinions on that... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gentoo+vs+debian |
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| 03:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | a flasher |
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| 03:41.19 | grendal_prime | ok, i got this piece of shit web cam that works sometimes...when it stops working, i have to unplug it, reboot the machine and plug it back in to get it to work right. |
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| 03:41.33 | grendal_prime | is there anyway i can do that without actually physically unplugging it? |
| 03:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean just rebooting? :) |
| 03:41.52 | grendal_prime | cause that...well is a pain in the ass when im not actually at the machine |
| 03:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rebooting should be enough |
| 03:42.25 | grendal_prime | i can reboot it ...thats not a problem... |
| 03:42.26 | anondaemon | ty all |
| 03:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you have to blacklist some kernel module? |
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| 03:43.03 | grendal_prime | its weird, i literally have to unplug it, reboot the machine, then plug it back in... |
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| 03:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | besides rebooting, you can try to remove the kernel module for it, then load it back in |
| 03:43.05 | grendal_prime | its on the machine now and not working for shit.. |
| 03:43.26 | grendal_prime | ok CutMeOwnThroat can you help me with that? |
| 03:43.26 | jpinx | grendal_prime: unplug it - look in lsusb, re-plug it - look again - and check logs of activity to see what's happening |
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| 03:43.51 | grendal_prime | its located somewhere else |
| 03:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if the module is waiting for the webcam in some way, it might take forever to unload |
| 03:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | literally |
| 03:44.05 | grendal_prime | i can ...find the module i think |
| 03:44.14 | grendal_prime | lsmodusb..something like that hold on |
| 03:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there might be some ways for stuff to survive a soft-boot |
| 03:44.58 | grendal_prime | lsusb |
| 03:45.30 | grendal_prime | i think its this thing |
| 03:45.31 | jpinx | soft boot == slipper CutMeOwnThroat ? |
| 03:45.31 | grendal_prime | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 093a:2460 Pixart Imaging, Inc. |
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| 03:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kicks jpinx with his not-so-soft and decisively SPIKY boot |
| 03:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, you might try this, too http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb-users&m=116827193506484&w=2 |
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| 03:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm 'Note that this mechanism is slated to be removed from the kernel within the next year.' (it's from 2007) |
| 03:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, duh... |
| 03:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !soft reset |
| 03:48.16 | dpkg | it has been said that soft reset is place the reset pin in the hole in the back of your Palm to reset without any data loss |
| 03:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf? |
| 03:48.29 | jpinx | heh |
| 03:48.51 | jpinx | it's reboot without powerdown |
| 03:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... that's what I meant |
| 03:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !warm reset |
| 03:49.21 | dpkg | i heard warm reset is place the reset pin in the hole in the back of your Palm while holding the up button to reset without any extensions or hacks (or data loss) |
| 03:49.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | same shit |
| 03:49.34 | jpinx | If got a pinhole on the laptop that does the same CutMeOwnThroat but it's still a reboot |
| 03:50.08 | jpinx | I think is skips BIOS checks -that's all |
| 03:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo soft reset |
| 03:50.37 | dpkg | soft reset -- created by quasar <jkarin@achilles.nyip.net> at Sun Jan 21 07:24:15 2001 (3088 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 2m 21s ago. |
| 03:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo warm reset |
| 03:50.44 | dpkg | warm reset -- created by quasar <jkarin@achilles.nyip.net> at Sun Jan 21 07:25:35 2001 (3088 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 1m 23s ago. |
| 03:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | was dpkg used in some palm forum in 2001? :) |
| 03:51.14 | jpinx | heh - specially for you CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 03:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
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| 03:59.20 | hesco | ??paste |
| 03:59.24 | hesco | !paste |
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| 04:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didnt! |
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| 04:06.13 | hesco | I'd like to install libapache2-mod-fcgid or libapache2-mod-fastcgi. But apt-get wants to tear out build-essential, libfreetype6-dev, libncurses5-dev, postgresql-server-dev-8.1 and 17 other potentially useful packages. Details at: http://paste.debian.net/41221/. How do I handle this installation without tearing my server apart to do so? |
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| 04:09.00 | Section58 | hello |
| 04:09.06 | Section58 | please can you help me write this |
| 04:09.07 | Section58 | */5 * * * * root ps aux > pslog.`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S`.log |
| 04:09.17 | Section58 | cron doesn't pick up on the scipting |
| 04:10.03 | MalaFide | hesco, are you mixing debian branches? |
| 04:10.21 | MalaFide | hesco,and why do you tell it to install libc6? |
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| 04:12.03 | hesco | MalaFide: when I tried to install it w/o the libc6, it told me it couldn't do the install |
| 04:12.36 | Billy_ | hey new to linux wondering is it hard for a newb to install debain and what one should i download? |
| 04:12.44 | hesco | Section58, if you want root to run the command make it a part of the root crontab |
| 04:13.00 | Tramp | Section58: man 5 crontab, search for "%" |
| 04:13.11 | streuner | Billy_: if you are able to learn and read it isnt |
| 04:13.12 | hesco | Billy_: grab a copy of Lenny, or Stable |
| 04:13.18 | MalaFide | Billy_,not hard. get the first CD. all you need |
| 04:13.30 | Billy_ | what cd |
| 04:13.33 | hesco | Either CD1 or the Net-install disk |
| 04:13.39 | streuner | !+tell Billy_ -about ig |
| 04:13.40 | dpkg | told Billy_ about ig. |
| 04:13.47 | hesco | ??cd |
| 04:13.55 | hesco | ??install |
| 04:13.57 | MalaFide | hesco,exact error message. and answer my question |
| 04:14.39 | hesco | MalaFide: unmet dependencies: libapache2-mod-fastcgi: Depends: apache2.2-common (>= 2.2.4) but 2.2.3-4+etch8 is to be installed |
| 04:14.39 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:14.54 | Billy_ | i need a link i dont see lenny or stable |
| 04:15.00 | MalaFide | Billy_,http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 04:15.19 | MalaFide | hesco, answer my question |
| 04:15.41 | hesco | I am not intending to, let me check sources again |
| 04:15.52 | Billy_ | debian-502-i386-CD-1.iso? <--- get that? |
| 04:16.31 | hesco | MalaFide: /etc/apt/sources.list mentions only lenny |
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| 04:17.09 | MalaFide | hesco, but apt tries to install etch packages. check with apt-cache policy |
| 04:17.15 | hesco | Billy_: download, the iso, burn it to a CD, set your BIOS to boot from the CD and follow the instructions |
| 04:17.29 | MalaFide | Billy_,yes that |
| 04:17.39 | Billy_ | can i boot from 4gb usb flash drive? |
| 04:17.53 | MalaFide | Billy_,yes, but it depends on your PCs BIOS |
| 04:18.05 | Billy_ | k my pc lets me |
| 04:18.05 | hesco | Billy_: that will depend on how old your hardware is |
| 04:18.17 | Billy_ | p4 2.4ghz, 512mb ram |
| 04:18.22 | hesco | older BIOS's don't know how to boot from usb |
| 04:18.26 | MalaFide | !tell Billy_ about usb install |
| 04:18.49 | Billy_ | i use unetbootin to make my usb boot linux |
| 04:19.05 | hesco | MalaFide: how do you mean? 'check with apt-cache policy' ??? |
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| 04:20.00 | MalaFide | hesco, man apt-cache. I mean to check where vaious packages come from. your apt install is broken when there is only lenny in sources.list but it tries to install etch packages |
| 04:20.09 | MalaFide | something is not adding up. update your apt repos |
| 04:21.09 | hesco | ok, doing an update / upgrade now |
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| 04:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | MalaFide, where did you see it's trying to install etch packages? |
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| 04:28.51 | Billy_ | eww 25% downloading... slow download speed for some reason |
| 04:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian mirrors |
| 04:29.11 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 04:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | MalaFide, ah, nm - not in the pastebin but in what he said here |
| 04:30.23 | MalaFide | <hesco>....but 2.2.3-4+etch8 is to be installed <- see "etch" in there |
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| 04:30.33 | hesco | ??paste |
| 04:30.40 | hesco | !paste |
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| 04:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | stop doing that |
| 04:32.42 | hesco | MalaFide: http://paste.debian.net/41222/ is my apt-cache policy output. |
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| 04:33.24 | hesco | after an update / upgrade I'm still getting ugly threats to remove 21 packages in order to install libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 04:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but that shouldn't show you any etch packages anymore |
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| 04:34.48 | hesco | this is a fresh install of Lenny, from just a couple of weeks ago. |
| 04:34.54 | MalaFide | hesco,the apt-cache policy output for the package(s) you try to install |
| 04:35.04 | hesco | ok |
| 04:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, aren't you going to pastebin what apt-get install libapache2-mod-fastcgi tells you now? |
| 04:36.04 | hesco | http://paste.debian.net/41223/ |
| 04:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 04:37.14 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libapache2-mod-fastcgi -- etch/non-free: 2.4.2-8 lenny/non-free: 2.4.6-1 sid/non-free: 2.4.6-1 squeeze/non-free: 2.4.6-1 |
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| 04:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> well, aren't you going to pastebin what apt-get install libapache2-mod-fastcgi tells you now? |
| 04:38.37 | hesco | http://paste.debian.net/41225/ |
| 04:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you might not have (fully?) upgraded from etch->lenny |
| 04:38.42 | hesco | as requested |
| 04:39.09 | hesco | I kept the old partition table, but told it to wipe the data and install fresh |
| 04:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually - it seems likely you havent gone to lenny at all, if apt still wanted to install etch packages before you ran the last atp-get update |
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| 04:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, does aptitude why-not build-essential shed any light? |
| 04:40.29 | hesco | ok, any clues how to resolve this, then? |
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| 04:41.24 | hesco | what do you mean by 'why-not' ??? |
| 04:41.29 | MalaFide | hesco,dist-upgrade |
| 04:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean by 'what do you mean by 'why-not'' ??? |
| 04:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean the command "aptitude why-not build-essential" |
| 04:42.27 | Section58 | how would it be possible to log process useage when there is a high load |
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| 04:42.37 | Section58 | so i know what things it is thats making it so high ? |
| 04:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hesco, generally, I think you can just go ahead - the only stuff that is deinstalled are -dev packages you only need for building - so you don't lose any functionality |
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| 04:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, mainly - what's weird is that the metapackage build-essential goes away and with it goes g++ |
| 04:43.45 | dserban | I know the answer I'm going to get, but ... where do I set the default action to perform when a DVD is inserted under gnome? Under my preferred applications, under multimedia, there's only one option, and that's to set the media player, then under removable drives and media, there's no tab for DVD/CD drives... wtf? |
| 04:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know the answer you're going to get... can you tell me? |
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| 04:44.48 | hesco | ok, running dist-upgrade now |
| 04:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that do a lot? |
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| 04:45.17 | dserban | hah... well I kinda answered what the common responses I thought would be. "Click System, Click Preferred Applications etc..." or... "You need to RTFM" or something else quite witty. |
| 04:45.33 | hesco | I'm sorry, this IS NOT the machine I installed Lenny to last week or so. |
| 04:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, You need to RTFM |
| 04:45.48 | hesco | You are right, this is an older Etch machine |
| 04:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 04:46.24 | chuky | hi |
| 04:46.25 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat, heh, yep, well I even tried belittling myself by using lmgtfy.com on myself... nothin' that applies. |
| 04:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:46.54 | hesco | go I hope I'm not breaking anything with this dist-upgrade |
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| 04:47.07 | dserban | So I guess I'm asking ... what went wrong? Where did these options go? Or, What have I done to screw this up?... pick one |
| 04:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, try something like find ~/.gnome* -type f -exec grep -il dvd '{}' + |
| 04:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, I don't use gnome... or any DM... |
| 04:48.02 | Keo | Greetings, #debian. |
| 04:48.04 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat, hmm. You gave up and use ratpoison huh? |
| 04:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just a plain WM... never used a DM |
| 04:48.53 | dserban | The prior command returned matches on ... internet cache files \o> \o/ |
| 04:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, how about this https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=gnome+automount |
| 04:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, seems gnome uses autofs (?) |
| 04:49.26 | Keo | I have a slight problem with my wireless. It seems to be that it's crawling along, downloads only hit at 1kb/s, and the lag on IRC is terrible. |
| 04:49.28 | Keo | Chipset is the Atheros 5007EG, running on Lenny with madwifi. |
| 04:49.32 | chuky | What driver would go with this card? |
| 04:49.32 | chuky | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, that would be here http://www.greenfly.org/talks/autofs/autofs.html |
| 04:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, plain WM, but not just as plain as ratpoison... mostly fvwm2, sometimes openbox |
| 04:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, sorry, that link was to a talk |
| 04:51.14 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat, :o... |
| 04:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, what I'm saying is... find out what gnome uses for mounting - configure that program |
| 04:51.32 | hesco | is the MBR 512 bytes? |
| 04:51.49 | dserban | hmm, yeah, things automount no problem. They just don't "execute" like good 'ol winbloze. Had it doing it before I installed onto this new box... |
| 04:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, ops - I shouldn't have ignored hit #1 http://darkknight9.blogspot.com/2007/03/gnome-automount-options.html |
| 04:52.28 | dserban | openbox is nice, haven't used fvwm since the 90's |
| 04:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I HAVE used it since the 90's |
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| 04:53.13 | dserban | hah! |
| 04:53.16 | dserban | crazy |
| 04:53.46 | dserban | I get bored easily I guess |
| 04:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeh |
| 04:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so do I... when waiting for a DM showing me a clock... |
| 04:55.02 | dserban | heh, but... man this is gonna turn into a gentoo vs debian debate. I declare you the winner :) |
| 04:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, so it's "gnome-volume-manager" doing the mounting... |
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| 04:56.37 | dserban | yep, I figured that out too, though no idea how the heck you tell it to ... do anything! |
| 04:56.39 | Section58 | how would it be possible to log process useage when there is a high load. thus to know whats making a high load |
| 04:56.41 | dserban | ohyeah |
| 04:56.49 | fogus1 | where is the list of services that one would expect to find in chkconfig? is this correct: http://www.mail-archive.com/kplug-newbie@kernel-panic.org/msg00302.html |
| 04:56.59 | dserban | I forgot gnome's registry editor... gconf... and... voila! there it is! |
| 04:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dserban, dpkg -L gnome-volume-manager? --> /usr/share/man/man1/gnome-volume-manager.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/gnome-volume-properties.1.gz |
| 04:58.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | also /usr/share/doc/gnome-volume-manager/README* |
| 04:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could just run gnome-volume-properties and see what options you get |
| 04:58.48 | fogus1 | because, see, I didn't even find an rc.d file exactly: http://pastebin.com/d78344871 |
| 04:58.50 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat, aye, I found the fun in gconf-editor ... yeah... I always forget those.... too tucked away |
| 04:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which might be what you already did via menus) |
| 04:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that looks kinda good |
| 04:59.32 | dserban | yeah it's what I got through menus |
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| 05:00.15 | fogus1 | oh, and how do I do that sudo thing? should I install sudo or sudo-ldap? |
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| 05:01.11 | dserban | oh and CutMeOwnThroat thanks for takin' the time. Sometimes it just takes someone to bounce crap off of. |
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| 05:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus1, it's all in /etc/rc*.d softlinking to /etc/init.d/... like usual |
| 05:01.47 | fogus1 | CutMeOwnThroat: like usual, yes. |
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| 05:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus1, and there's update-rc.d and rcconf which can do the job |
| 05:02.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think if you just set/remove them yourself Debian packaging will not touch them either |
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| 05:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and I don't think rcconf does anything BUT set/remove the softlinks either) |
| 05:03.13 | fogus1 | CutMeOwnThroat: so I edit update-rc.d? or rcconf? lets say I want to have an FTP server come online when I start the computer |
| 05:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sysv-rc-conf |
| 05:03.31 | dpkg | well, sysv-rc-conf is "zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz :: Do an 'apt-get install sysv-rc-conf' to use the TUI runlevel curses-based config utility. Also ask me about <rcconf> (a simpler ncurses TUI tool, meant for default runlevel control [2] config), ..ask me about <sysv-rc>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>, <runlevels>, and <services>, or <reference> for a nice full reference" |
| 05:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus1, you can /msg dpkg sysv-rc etc. etc. for all the <keywords> in the <> |
| 05:04.27 | fogus1 | !apt-get |
| 05:04.27 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for <apt>. See also <aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
| 05:04.55 | fogus1 | can I use aptitude instead? |
| 05:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 05:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's actually recommended in general |
| 05:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just like apt-get because it's simpler |
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| 05:08.15 | fogus1 | ahh. I installed it... nice. |
| 05:08.23 | fogus1 | its like "service" on centos |
| 05:08.35 | fogus1 | can I install chkconfig? |
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| 05:10.51 | chuky | whtas the package for intel video drivers ? |
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| 05:11.21 | magnuX | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 05:12.04 | ksnp | i have openvpn configured and working, however i did not have to touch iptables, anyone know if in debian the firewalls are disabled for newly created interfaces or even existing eth0 by default ? |
| 05:13.03 | chuky | magnuX: is there a program that configures xorg to work with it? |
| 05:13.11 | chuky | like nvidia-xconfig ? |
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| 05:19.21 | cmyers_home | ksnp: sudo iptables -L will show you the current rules and policies |
| 05:20.02 | Billy_ | got a question when software selection comes up what happens if i unselect desktop environment |
| 05:22.22 | chuky | is one expected to configure stuff after installing xserver-xorg-video-intel drivers? video is brighter than normal. |
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| 05:24.19 | ksnp | cmyers : its empty |
| 05:24.27 | ksnp | i did not define an iptables rules myself |
| 05:24.47 | ksnp | its a relatively new installation, so debian by defualt uses iptables right, not any other method for firewalling or filtering ? |
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| 05:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, no, normally there are no rules defined... |
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| 05:29.39 | ksnp | ok |
| 05:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, if you installed openvpn, perhaps that package configured some iptables rules for you... |
| 05:29.48 | ksnp | it didn't |
| 05:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's something that would make sense, it might just do it |
| 05:30.09 | ksnp | so i guess then basically it means none is configured, since you said by default there should be none when i installed debian ? |
| 05:30.19 | ksnp | ok |
| 05:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can always check running iptables-save |
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| 05:30.39 | ksnp | what's a good easy front end or text based gui (have only console no kde/gnome) for firweall ? |
| 05:30.54 | ksnp | iptables-save will save them for use across reboots ? |
| 05:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'll print a machine-readable list of your firewall rules that you can read back in with iptables-restore |
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| 05:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it just prints the rules... if you pipe that in a file, iptables-restore can restore the rules from that file |
| 05:31.52 | ksnp | ok |
| 05:32.02 | ksnp | just iptalbes-save ? |
| 05:32.08 | ksnp | i was using iptables -L |
| 05:32.23 | chuky | is one expected to configure stuff after installing xserver-xorg-video-intel drivers? video is brighter than normal. |
| 05:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | also man iptables-save |
| 05:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 05:32.59 | ksnp | both give same output ? |
| 05:33.18 | ksnp | i did that but i get some parts not understandble |
| 05:33.18 | ksnp | # Generated by iptables-save v1.4.2 on Mon Jul 6 22:32:32 2009 |
| 05:33.18 | ksnp | *filter |
| 05:33.18 | ksnp | :INPUT ACCEPT [21466:12797950] |
| 05:33.18 | ksnp | :FORWARD ACCEPT [56:3360] |
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| 05:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
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| 05:33.46 | ksnp | lol, kick for just 5 lines ? |
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| 05:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !paste |
| 05:33.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 05:33.58 | ksnp | ok |
| 05:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a busy channel |
| 05:34.07 | ksnp | ok |
| 05:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit not right now |
| 05:34.20 | ksnp | can you tell me if the number1:number2 are ports ? |
| 05:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be |
| 05:34.38 | ksnp | ok |
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| 05:34.50 | ksnp | what's a good easy front end or text based gui (have only console no kde/gnome) for firweall ? |
| 05:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a tutorial at http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 05:35.44 | blast_hardcheese | Hey, I'm thinking this might be a debian problem, so I'm going to ask it here as well; It seems like vlc 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 doesn't have support for transcoding mp4v |
| 05:35.54 | blast_hardcheese | http://pastebin.com/d33bb6933 is my command/output |
| 05:36.02 | blast_hardcheese | any assistance would be appreciated |
| 05:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | checked the bts? |
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| 05:36.42 | blast_hardcheese | To be honest I'm not sure how |
| 05:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 05:36.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 05:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, also might be a licensing problem... |
| 05:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have a look in the changelog |
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| 05:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps support is deliberately removed.. supposing non-debian vlc has it |
| 05:38.42 | ksnp | in my /etc/networking/interfaces i don't hvae "auto eth0", but have "iface eth0 inet dhcp" i guess that's somehow starting the eth0 then automatically ? |
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| 05:39.08 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, the weird thing is no vcodec works, I've tried many of them |
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| 05:39.20 | blast_hardcheese | the only one that actually almost worked was wmv3, strangely enough. |
| 05:39.31 | blast_hardcheese | but that was blocky and green |
| 05:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you still need auto eth0 or allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 05:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | the iface line just defines the interface |
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| 05:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | the auto line tells debian to start it on boot |
| 05:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | read all about it in "man interfaces" |
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| 05:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, well, I don't know, never had a great need for vlc with the mplayer stuff around... |
| 05:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually - /usr/share/doc/vlc/bugreport-howto.txt |
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| 05:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can look though the changelog at /usr/share/doc/vlc-nox/changelog.Debian.gz too |
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| 05:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 05:47.42 | BigBob85 | hey |
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| 05:47.56 | BigBob85 | just got a fresh server reload, but cant update anything, wont resolve any URL's |
| 05:48.09 | BigBob85 | and /etc/resolv.conf dosnt exist. |
| 05:48.28 | BigBob85 | even creating it, putting in nameservers and rebooting fails |
| 05:48.30 | BigBob85 | any ideas? |
| 05:48.46 | BigBob85 | got nameserver IP's from another VPS I have with the same company. |
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| 05:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhcp? |
| 05:49.46 | kejen | probably static since he mentioned a company |
| 05:50.25 | kejen | give more information, is the box remote? can you ping it, ping out, etc |
| 05:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean unsuccessful dhcp attempts erase his resolv.conf |
| 05:50.45 | BigBob85 | I can ping out to IP's, not domans |
| 05:50.57 | BigBob85 | I only have SSH access to the box |
| 05:51.00 | rozie | create resolv.conf |
| 05:51.04 | rozie | do not reboot |
| 05:51.32 | rozie | show us /etc/network/interfaces on pastebin |
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| 05:52.38 | BigBob85 | http://paste.debian.net/41226/ |
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| 05:53.27 | rozie | there's no dhcp |
| 05:53.49 | yurikoles | !ext4 |
| 05:53.49 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:54.04 | rozie | ps aux | grep dhc shows anything? |
| 05:54.39 | yurikoles | how to install lenny on ext4 (not dev)? |
| 05:54.42 | BigBob85 | just the one entry |
| 05:54.45 | BigBob85 | root 30169 0.0 0.0 1712 500 pts/0 S+ 09:54 0:00 grep dhc |
| 05:55.10 | rozie | ok, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 05:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you said creating resolv.conf didn't work? |
| 05:55.35 | BigBob85 | I have a folder /etc/resolvconf/ which is weird. |
| 05:55.38 | rozie | he created and rebooted |
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| 05:55.46 | BigBob85 | the contents is still same |
| 05:56.01 | BigBob85 | appears to be openDNS IP's |
| 05:56.27 | hesco | I'm seeing: Starting web server: apache2[Tue Jul 07 01:35:35 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 05:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 05:56.29 | hesco | however a grep on /sites-enabled revales no lines like that. |
| 05:56.37 | hesco | any ideas how to resolve that? |
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| 05:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that should be ok... perhaps you got a typo in resolv.conf? |
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| 05:57.13 | rozie | BigBob85: show resolv.conf |
| 05:57.18 | BigBob85 | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 05:57.19 | BigBob85 | nameserver 208.67.220.222 |
| 05:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yurikoles, you need a newer kernel than that in lenny for ext4 |
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| 05:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yurikoles, you find images with a newer kernel at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ - but I'm pretty sure the installer will not offer you ext4 as a choice |
| 05:58.36 | Phasy13 | Hello! I want to write a little script, which would start all my favourite applications and put them in the right workspaces(gnome). Which languages will I need to use, and where to get further help? |
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| 05:59.30 | rozie | seems to be OK, if IPs are valid |
| 05:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phasy13, just a shell-script... have a look at the wmctrl program (not sure how well putting things on desktops will work, but in principle wmctrl can do that) |
| 06:00.07 | BigBob85 | both ping fine from here. |
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| 06:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yurikoles, so probably have to install on ext3, than change that to ext4 |
| 06:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | BigBob85, how about 'telnet www.google.com 80'? |
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| 06:01.41 | yurikoles | no way |
| 06:01.42 | Phasy13 | CutMeOwnThroat thanks, that looks like the right tool for me |
| 06:01.51 | BigBob85 | telnet: could not resolve www.google.com/80: Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 06:01.58 | yurikoles | existed files will not use extents |
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| 06:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 06:03.28 | BigBob85 | :P |
| 06:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno why he's always trying this type of stuff here |
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| 06:04.05 | BigBob85 | rozie, I do have this directory, which I havnt seen similar to.. |
| 06:04.08 | BigBob85 | /etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/ |
| 06:04.28 | BigBob85 | which has 2 files, sendmail and fetchmail |
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| 06:04.41 | BigBob85 | oh wait a dang minute... :( |
| 06:04.51 | BigBob85 | resolv.conf not resolv.confg :P |
| 06:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
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| 06:05.31 | BigBob85 | works now :D |
| 06:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no surprise |
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| 06:07.13 | BigBob85 | cheers guys and girls! |
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| 06:07.56 | BigBob85 | oh, and also |
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| 06:08.03 | BigBob85 | How can I tell if im on etch or lenny? |
| 06:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | he goes, he comes back |
| 06:08.23 | hesco | having just completed a dist-upgrade, I'm getting lots of errors like this: http://paste.debian.net/41227/, perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: are supported and installed on your system. What can I do about that, please? |
| 06:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | not easily if you're somewhere in between... but generally... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:08.42 | BigBob85 | I thought it was etch, but apt-get update is showing lots of links ending in lenny/ |
| 06:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny is the current stable |
| 06:09.18 | BigBob85 | 5.0.1 |
| 06:09.22 | BigBob85 | lenny :) |
| 06:09.27 | yurikoles | is aptitude can show origin of package like sinaptyc? |
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| 06:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hesco, set LANG='C' |
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| 06:09.54 | BigBob85 | I think I asked for etch, before knowing about lenny, then was like , oh sh** when I found out.. but anyways, its all good in the end |
| 06:09.56 | BigBob85 | cheers all :) |
| 06:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hesco, I mean... "export LANG=C" |
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| 06:10.26 | leop18 | just need help to build my live cd as I understood I have to create afile in config/chroot_local-packageslists/livecd.chroot |
| 06:10.48 | leop18 | the add the packages that I want to include in the livecd in that file correct |
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| 06:11.14 | Section58 | how would it be possible to log process useage when there is a high load. thus to know whats making a high load |
| 06:11.17 | yurikoles | BigBob85: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:11.34 | Hanibana | hi all |
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| 06:11.52 | yurikoles | BigBob85:cat /etc/lsb-release |
| 06:12.09 | Hanibana | where should be the place of this "syslinux.cfg file |
| 06:12.19 | Hanibana | at Debian CDROM ? |
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| 06:13.38 | Hanibana | I mean where to put it ? |
| 06:14.18 | Section58 | erm /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg |
| 06:14.20 | Section58 | ?? |
| 06:14.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Section58, top -b -d 5 > somefile? |
| 06:14.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yurikoles, he's gone? |
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| 06:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I already answered him more correctly than you? |
| 06:15.01 | jmarsden | Section58: : apt-get install sysstat and use sar |
| 06:15.19 | Section58 | Hanibana: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX |
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| 06:15.45 | Section58 | thanks people |
| 06:15.49 | Section58 | i will have a go |
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| 06:17.02 | tinne | hi there. is it possible to bridge a ipsec site2site vpn connection? |
| 06:18.42 | Section58 | bridge with what ? |
| 06:19.03 | Section58 | and for that stuff maybe you should try ##networking |
| 06:20.26 | tinne | Section58: i want to bridge the two sites … i run such scenarios perfectly with openvpn but need to do the same with ipsec |
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| 06:21.41 | Xenol_ | what would i chose to partition my hd |
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| 06:22.45 | Section58 | i would set it up in the same way you did before |
| 06:22.53 | Section58 | being aware of MTU changes |
| 06:22.56 | jackweb | Hello! Is it possible to change shell from zsh to bash as user, without using root? |
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| 06:23.29 | jackweb | (for ever - change in /etc/passwd) |
| 06:23.39 | jackweb | I suppose it's impossible.. :/ |
| 06:23.47 | Section58 | highly unlikely jackweb |
| 06:24.00 | jackweb | maybe `bash` in .zshrc? |
| 06:24.03 | jackweb | :] |
| 06:24.15 | Section58 | as your host nicely maybe |
| 06:24.17 | Section58 | *ask |
| 06:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jackweb, chsh |
| 06:24.52 | jackweb | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you! |
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| 06:25.03 | jackweb | it's cool! ;] |
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| 06:25.12 | jackweb | bye |
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| 06:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 06:25.18 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 06:25.26 | Hanibana | Section58: it's something else... I'm working on preseeding in Debian Sarge (auto-installation). And syslinux.cfg is a file that contains kernel parameters to be passed. I want to know whats its place? the cdrom root? some folder?.... |
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| 06:26.00 | Section58 | syslinux.cfg is the config for the boot menu stuff |
| 06:26.35 | Section58 | the cd rom will have one. but a running system will have its own copy as well |
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| 06:30.13 | Hanibana | Section58: I can't find any in Sarge CDROM.... find . -iname "*syslinux*" |
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| 06:31.58 | bpun | there a profile manager for ethernet? |
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| 06:37.40 | Section58 | hello |
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| 06:40.42 | AmritP | Greatings Everyone |
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| 06:41.28 | AmritP | I was currious if there is a tutorial on how to setup a flashdrive with an encrypted filesystem? |
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| 06:41.39 | AmritP | sorry a bottable blashdrive |
| 06:41.42 | AmritP | *boot |
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| 06:41.47 | AmritP | >.< |
| 06:42.06 | Section58 | like a key to load up your os ? |
| 06:43.07 | AmritP | well i have a 1 gb usbdrive |
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| 06:43.35 | AmritP | i was thinking i might be able to fit atleast xfce on there |
| 06:43.54 | AmritP | with a crypted fs |
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| 06:45.04 | Section58 | well, firstly |
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| 06:45.06 | Section58 | it will be well slow |
| 06:45.15 | Section58 | and it will only probably work on one machine |
| 06:45.22 | kaepora_ | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:45.44 | kaepora_ | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:45.49 | Section58 | making a bootable usb drive can be done in debian |
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| 06:45.57 | nsadmin | !ops kaepora_ banging |
| 06:45.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: kaepora_ banging |
| 06:46.05 | Section58 | in windows, you can use some 3rd party tools |
| 06:46.05 | kaepora_ | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:46.25 | iTron | All this banging is doing nothing good for my headache |
| 06:46.26 | kaepora_ | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:46.44 | Section58 | wtf is banging anyway lol |
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| 06:47.02 | nsadmin | "!" is pronounced "bang" |
| 06:47.03 | iTron | Section58: An exclamation mark can also be known as a "bang" |
| 06:47.15 | AmritP | haha |
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| 06:47.19 | AmritP | #! she bang |
| 06:47.33 | nsadmin | and "*"... |
| 06:47.36 | nsadmin | wait for it... |
| 06:47.39 | Section58 | well, i guess you learn something new everyday |
| 06:47.39 | Section58 | :) |
| 06:47.43 | nsadmin | "splat" |
| 06:47.50 | AmritP | lol |
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| 06:49.43 | nsadmin | cause if you're going down the road at 60, and a bug tries to land on your windshield...\ |
| 06:49.46 | nsadmin | *... |
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| 06:54.25 | simonrvn | why doesn't that fuckface give up already? s/he is just making a fool of themselves.... |
| 06:55.09 | azeem_ | simonrvn: who? |
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| 06:55.38 | simonrvn | the person behind anapnea.net? that's like twice *today*, i've seen |
| 06:55.46 | simonrvn | s/?// |
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| 06:55.53 | simonrvn | s/?/./ even |
| 06:56.08 | landwork | i have a problem with etch (just upgraded after installing twiki)... I get libcairo2: Depends: libxcb1 but it is not installed. |
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| 06:56.17 | landwork | the upgrade had a problem with libxcb1 |
| 06:56.29 | simonrvn | twiki doesn't depends on that |
| 06:56.33 | simonrvn | depend* |
| 06:56.38 | AmritP | question, what is the absolut minimum for a /boot/ partition |
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| 06:56.45 | landwork | the upgrade forced other bits |
| 06:56.50 | xmedex | hello all |
| 06:56.53 | landwork | like python which has some bindings, etc. |
| 06:56.57 | xmedex | how to remove non-openvz kernels |
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| 06:57.17 | azeem_ | landwork: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 06:57.20 | simonrvn | landwork: yes, obviously something else didn't complete successfully, so you have that happen. |
| 06:57.42 | landwork | 2.9-4 |
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| 06:57.54 | landwork | i'm cool with it, it happens sometimes. |
| 06:57.59 | landwork | sometimes they're hard to fix though :) |
| 06:58.05 | azeem_ | landwork: 2.9-4 is not etch |
| 06:58.26 | simonrvn | sometimes it's just easiest to put things on hold, and let the other stuff catch up. |
| 06:58.29 | landwork | when i do 'apt-get -f install' it marks libxcb1 as 'extra' package and 'NEW'. |
| 06:58.54 | simonrvn | you're on squeeze, with that glibc, tmk |
| 06:59.06 | landwork | ahhh. |
| 06:59.22 | landwork | i have two active entries in my sources.list |
| 06:59.24 | landwork | deb http://mirror.linux.org.au/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 06:59.29 | landwork | and deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free |
| 06:59.45 | simonrvn | um |
| 06:59.46 | azeem_ | landwork: the second pulls in unstable |
| 06:59.49 | simonrvn | fix that |
| 06:59.54 | landwork | remove the second? |
| 06:59.58 | azeem_ | landwork: too late |
| 07:00.01 | landwork | apt-get update ? |
| 07:00.03 | azeem_ | set it to testing |
| 07:00.06 | AmritP | so anyone know what the minimium for a /boot/ is? |
| 07:00.07 | azeem_ | and upgrade |
| 07:00.12 | azeem_ | eh |
| 07:00.15 | simonrvn | etch is oldstable, and yes, too late |
| 07:00.18 | xmedex | how to remove non-openvz kernels |
| 07:00.22 | xmedex | how to remove non-openvz kernels?. |
| 07:00.23 | azeem_ | landwork: actually, try setting it to stable first |
| 07:00.29 | azeem_ | upgrade, then set it to testing |
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| 07:00.38 | landwork | that's for non-free right? |
| 07:00.39 | azeem_ | xmedex: man apt-get |
| 07:00.51 | simonrvn | azeem_: good idea, it might be just old enough |
| 07:00.54 | azeem_ | landwork: you have it for main |
| 07:00.56 | azeem_ | as well |
| 07:01.02 | landwork | ah true. |
| 07:01.06 | landwork | should I just remove it? |
| 07:01.12 | azeem_ | landwork: 08:57 < azeem_> landwork: too late |
| 07:01.20 | azeem_ | landwork: you already asked that question |
| 07:01.21 | landwork | ah ok |
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| 07:02.19 | landwork | upgrade still fails with the libxcb1 issue |
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| 07:02.46 | azeem_ | landwork: pastebin the whole output including the command you ran |
| 07:02.47 | azeem_ | !pastebin |
| 07:02.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 07:03.02 | landwork | actually i fixed it with apt-get -f install |
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| 07:03.49 | landwork | so now that apt-get is not failing.. should I do apt-get upgrade to 'stable'. |
| 07:03.52 | landwork | then change to 'testing' |
| 07:03.59 | landwork | then apt-get upgrade again |
| 07:04.52 | landwork | the apt-get upgrade has tons of packages now 'kept back'. |
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| 07:05.04 | mario__ | Hello! |
| 07:05.44 | mario__ | my debian wont boot after a installation and i guess this is because i use LVM and my aci7xxxx module is not included in the initrd image. |
| 07:06.08 | mario__ | how can i add the module to initrd afterwards? Just add it to /etc/module and do mkinitramfs again? |
| 07:06.36 | azeem_ | landwork: because your system is screwed up |
| 07:07.11 | dondelelcaro | mario__: where does it fail? |
| 07:07.30 | landwork | i'm between upgrades arn't I? |
| 07:07.56 | landwork | so because I pulled some packages from unstable, which is 'sid'? |
| 07:08.03 | landwork | can' |
| 07:08.08 | landwork | t i just upgrade to 'sid'? |
| 07:08.16 | landwork | or downgrade back to 'etch' |
| 07:08.53 | simonrvn | you weren't on etch anymore the first time you updated with that unstable entry in there |
| 07:09.02 | simonrvn | !lenny |
| 07:09.02 | dpkg | lenny is probably the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 07:10.05 | landwork | ah ok, i think what I did was upgrade subversion. |
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| 07:10.24 | landwork | i required a later version of subversion... |
| 07:10.26 | mario__ | dondelelcaro: it wont find my volume groups |
| 07:11.54 | azeem_ | landwork: next time, don't just dump unstable into your sources.list for that |
| 07:12.11 | azeem_ | landwork: Debian does not support upgrades over more than one stable release |
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| 07:12.35 | azeem_ | so the proper path is trying to upgrade to lenny first, however bad that goes, then going to either testing or unstable as you prefer |
| 07:12.42 | azeem_ | landwork: unstable is not supported here, though |
| 07:12.51 | landwork | ok. so testing is a better bet |
| 07:12.54 | kejen | why is debian so crazy? |
| 07:13.07 | TiMiDo | crazy? |
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| 07:13.14 | landwork | azeem: yeah I see the foly now ;) |
| 07:13.21 | simonrvn | debian is a distro, so how can it be crazy? |
| 07:13.30 | azeem | it's also a project |
| 07:13.41 | kejen | want to compile eterm myself, so install the build deps, next thing I know apache gets installed and starts |
| 07:13.57 | TiMiDo | kejen, sudo apt-get install eterm |
| 07:13.58 | landwork | in my sources.list should I use the names 'etch' 'sarge' 'lenny' etc or 'testing' 'unstable' etc? |
| 07:14.00 | azeem | kejen: then you maybe did something wrong |
| 07:14.04 | nsadmin | well aside from the fact that most dds have varying degrees of craziness... |
| 07:14.40 | simonrvn | landwork: usually it's wise to use codenames, so you don't get a nasty surprise at releases |
| 07:14.49 | landwork | makes sense. |
| 07:14.50 | kejen | man2html is a dep for some reason |
| 07:15.04 | landwork | so i'll rename my first sources.list entry from 'etch' to 'lenny' |
| 07:15.10 | landwork | and do a distupgrade? |
| 07:15.26 | azeem | kejen: ... and? |
| 07:16.35 | kejen | and nothing, just crazy that to build eterm through apt apache gets installed and started |
| 07:16.47 | simonrvn | landwork: well lenny has 2.7 libc6, so just using apt-get won't get your very far with that |
| 07:16.50 | lazynes | Hey, how i can find right module for my 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Areca Technology Corp. Device 1680 |
| 07:17.01 | kejen | no big deal, just funny kinda |
| 07:17.17 | landwork | simonrvn: is this going to take me hours? ;) |
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| 07:21.38 | simonrvn | depends |
| 07:21.49 | landwork | hehe |
| 07:22.12 | landwork | ok... |
| 07:22.25 | landwork | i just hope it doesn't break apache and all the other goodies I have running on this server. |
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| 07:23.54 | landwork | i should have just pulled the code for subversion and compiled it myself.. it would have been easier ;) |
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| 07:24.54 | JJOliver | Hey, i'm trying to mount a HD, it's not auto mounting, and when I mount as root, my user cannot see it (not autherised) how can i force it to mount with permsions to users? |
| 07:25.10 | JJOliver | I should say it's a IDE / USB convertor so it's an external drive. |
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| 07:25.30 | simonrvn | landwork: you can always get build deps for it and build a backport /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:25.39 | JJOliver | Fdisk -l says it's /dev/sde1 |
| 07:26.00 | landwork | ok... so you say that apt-get upgrade won't work once i've set my sources.list to lenny. |
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| 07:26.05 | landwork | how do I upgrade in this case? |
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| 07:28.24 | simonrvn | landwork: for one thing, pick a version. lenny, squeeze, sid, then, do the update, and then fix the damage. |
| 07:28.43 | simonrvn | that's basically the needed steps right now. |
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| 07:30.50 | Gratz474 | anyone here know anything about dns's? |
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| 07:31.31 | JJOliver | Hi Gratz474 how you doing today/ |
| 07:31.33 | JJOliver | ? |
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| 07:32.14 | azeem | Gratz474: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 07:32.37 | kim0 | Hi everyone, How is it possible to create a CD with all updates merged (slip-streamed) ? |
| 07:32.45 | kim0 | I'm reading up on the pre-seed files |
| 07:32.54 | kim0 | but where do I put the updated .deb files |
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| 07:35.09 | Gratz474 | I am good, for a dns, when a domain registrar changes the hosts of your domain to your server and you create 2 hosts say ns1 ns2 those go on the .com's server riight? |
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| 07:37.26 | jan247 | hi guys, what's the fastest way to add a semicolon on all lines of a file |
| 07:37.45 | twoface | perl -p -i -e 's/$/;/g' |
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| 07:38.47 | landwork | simonrvn: so i've done apt-get update... that worked fine, it pulled down the package database. |
| 07:38.55 | landwork | simonrvn: so do I do an apt-get upgrade after that? |
| 07:39.22 | jan247 | tnx |
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| 07:41.46 | jelly | perl -pie! |
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| 07:43.54 | JJOliver | Everytime i mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/ it changes /mnt/ into a folder that cannot be read by my user account. Please, any suggestions on how to sort that out? |
| 07:44.45 | Phasy13 | JJOliver you probably mount with your superuser right? |
| 07:44.51 | JJOliver | Yup |
| 07:44.59 | JJOliver | But i've never had this problem. |
| 07:45.04 | Phasy13 | That's why /mnt belongs to root! |
| 07:45.11 | Phasy13 | chmod will help you |
| 07:45.32 | JJOliver | Phasy13: I can't mount as user |
| 07:45.36 | Phasy13 | no no |
| 07:45.41 | Phasy13 | you mount with root |
| 07:45.52 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 07:45.53 | Phasy13 | then write chmod +rwx username |
| 07:45.58 | Phasy13 | afair |
| 07:46.09 | JJOliver | Phasy13: thanks |
| 07:46.29 | Phasy13 | JJOliver you better check the manual |
| 07:46.31 | Phasy13 | on chmod |
| 07:46.32 | jirka | hello all, this probably is not the right channel to ask my question but i don't know where else should i ask it, i run debian on compaq nc6000 laptop, there are two 1GB RAM modules installed and lshw and dmidecode utilities see them correctly, but free says that there's only 1GB of total memory available. Could somebody give me a hint, if there's some system setting or so please? |
| 07:46.36 | Phasy13 | because I may be wrong |
| 07:47.25 | JJOliver | Phasy13: did read man mount but didn't help. |
| 07:47.46 | Phasy13 | just google "adding rights to users using chmod" |
| 07:47.54 | Phasy13 | that`ll probably lead you to the right spot |
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| 07:48.33 | pingouin | jirka: debian lenny ? 32 bits / 64 bits ? |
| 07:48.38 | fireba11 | jirka: you need to add the buffers to the free value |
| 07:48.55 | jirka | pingouin>debian testing, 32 bit |
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| 07:49.21 | jirka | fireba11> add buffers? |
| 07:49.28 | pingouin | jirka: free -m ; can you pastebin the output somewhere ? |
| 07:49.36 | pingouin | not on the chan for sure |
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| 07:51.14 | jirka | pingouin>http://pastebin.com/d72158e9b |
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| 07:52.22 | pingouin | obviously... |
| 07:52.47 | pingouin | debian or free start to have some troubles with ram detection |
| 07:52.59 | pingouin | i got also some trouble with 64 bits |
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| 07:54.34 | jirka | well, then i'll have to wait for patch ... (?) |
| 07:54.43 | pingouin | sorry jirka , i'm clueless |
| 07:55.24 | pingouin | jirka: can you pastebin free -g , please |
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| 07:57.04 | jirka | pingouin>http://pastebin.com/d6fa45961 |
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| 07:57.54 | pingouin | fun |
| 07:58.25 | pingouin | say a spell to invoque Gurus to come |
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| 07:59.04 | pingouin | jirka: debian kernel ? or kernel of your own ? |
| 07:59.48 | jirka | pingouin> it should be debian kernel: 2.6.26-2-486 |
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| 08:00.50 | jirka | what about that adding buffers to free value as fireba11 mentioned? |
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| 08:01.42 | rowdog | free -g is a pretty rough measure of ram |
| 08:01.46 | fireba11 | jirka: that is only for default free output |
| 08:02.11 | jirka | ok |
| 08:02.21 | rowdog | my 2 gig system only shows 1 gig with -g |
| 08:02.22 | pingouin | free seem to be pretty rough globaly , with or without -g -m -k |
| 08:02.55 | rowdog | eh, free's pretty good but you do have to add buffers and cache, try free -t |
| 08:03.01 | pingouin | my 4 gig system only shows 3 gig with -g |
| 08:03.30 | reZo | how many logical partitions can a hdd have without an extended partition? |
| 08:04.41 | rowdog | reZo, I believe it's 4 but my memory is kinda bad |
| 08:04.42 | cncfanatics | reZo: Four |
| 08:04.47 | reZo | awesome :D |
| 08:05.23 | reZo | and can an OS be installed (windows server 2008) on a logical partition? *the irony of asking in #debian* |
| 08:06.31 | fireba11 | reZo: sometimes business reality catches up to one :-) |
| 08:06.53 | reZo | hehe |
| 08:07.12 | reZo | imma presume the OS can, since GNU/Linux can. |
| 08:07.17 | rowdog | reZo, I don't think windows will be happy there, but yes |
| 08:07.35 | reZo | :) |
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| 08:09.07 | pingouin | reZo: you have to make grub/lilo make it show the evil Os to be able to boot on it |
| 08:09.24 | JJOliver | I'm trying to copy the contents of /dev/sde1 which is mounted at /mnt/ to my backup folder /srv/bkup1/ |
| 08:09.30 | JJOliver | Server1:/mnt# cp /mnt/ /srv/bkup1/ |
| 08:09.31 | JJOliver | cp: omitting directory `/mnt/' |
| 08:09.38 | reZo | pingouin: yeah, imma have to mess around with grub, |
| 08:09.48 | JJOliver | Why is cp ommiting the directory i'm trying to copy/ |
| 08:09.48 | JJOliver | ? |
| 08:09.49 | reZo | installing server 2008 after i've installed ubuntu sadly |
| 08:10.39 | pingouin | reZo: not very difficult, just edit the menu.list of you main os on the boot partition, unbuntu wiki have plenty examples |
| 08:11.18 | pingouin | JJOliver: cp -rv /mnt/ /srv/bkup1 maybe ? |
| 08:11.29 | reZo | pingouin: awesome |
| 08:11.30 | JJOliver | pingouin: cool i'll try |
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| 08:13.15 | rowdog | has squeeze settled down to occasional breakage yet? |
| 08:13.39 | twoface | i've had no serious problems yet |
| 08:13.52 | rowdog | cool, thanks twoface ;^) |
| 08:13.54 | simonrvn | JJOliver: man cp; you'll want -a for a start |
| 08:14.09 | twoface | (besides my nic requring rmmod r8169 && modprobe r8169 to work) |
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| 08:14.18 | JJOliver | simonrvn: it appears to be copying with pingouin's solution. |
| 08:14.32 | simonrvn | of course it is |
| 08:14.53 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 08:15.41 | rowdog | I figured so simonrvn, I just wanted to ask before I upped my desktop |
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| 08:19.01 | simonrvn | rowdog: what? |
| 08:19.19 | simonrvn | nm, i wasn't talking to you :) |
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| 08:20.25 | rowdog | oh, sorry simonrvn, I thought you were saying squeeze was pretty solid |
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| 08:23.53 | simonrvn | rowdog: dunno if it is, it probably is, sid's been behaving |
| 08:23.53 | mrtn123 | when running dd utility, what does this "conv=noerror" option do? |
| 08:23.53 | nsadmin | you weren't talking to me either? |
| 08:24.18 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i never talk to you :P :P |
| 08:24.35 | simonrvn | laughs |
| 08:24.40 | nijan | Hello everybody, does anybody know whether it is possible to get the encoding of a text file? |
| 08:25.26 | simonrvn | nsadmin: hi :). you been doing ok? |
| 08:25.28 | jelly | nijan: you can infer it based on the expected language and its known encodings |
| 08:25.40 | simonrvn | it's a jelly-man |
| 08:25.46 | nsadmin | ok, so now can you install other packages? try this: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 08:25.48 | jelly | no it's not! |
| 08:25.57 | nsadmin | I been good :) |
| 08:25.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:26.04 | jirka | nijan> open it in web browser and test various encodings |
| 08:26.10 | jelly | nijan: /usr/bin/file sometimes guesses right |
| 08:26.11 | simonrvn | nsadmin: cool :) |
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| 08:26.28 | nijan | I've found this uniutils |
| 08:26.52 | nsadmin | I just got to play with this aussie guitar player last nite... great player |
| 08:26.58 | jelly | just tries recoding into utf-8 until proper characters appear |
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| 08:27.12 | nsadmin | (not frank gambale :P ) |
| 08:27.17 | simonrvn | i usually use file, or emacs ;p |
| 08:27.27 | simonrvn | heh, neat |
| 08:27.42 | nijan | wim is reading it properly, so I guess it can guess |
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| 08:28.05 | nijan | 04b.wrd: ISO-8859 text |
| 08:28.09 | nijan | got it with file |
| 08:28.13 | nijan | thanks |
| 08:28.48 | simonrvn | any decent editor can do it pretty reliably |
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| 08:28.54 | nijan | If I am not wrong this ISO-8859 is used to handle latin alphabet accents |
| 08:29.00 | jelly | nijan: it doesn't say _which_ of the iso-8859 encodings! |
| 08:29.08 | nijan | cool |
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| 08:29.12 | simonrvn | yeh, there's many |
| 08:29.31 | simonrvn | 1 to 15 ;) |
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| 08:29.54 | simonrvn | but, it's a good indication that it's single byte chars |
| 08:29.55 | Supercazzora | hi |
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| 08:32.36 | nijan | for i in range(1, 15): guess_encoding(latin-i) |
| 08:33.31 | nsadmin | iMatter: well so did you get into the same situation as before? note I took just the packages mentioned at the end of that paste |
| 08:33.50 | Supercazzora | hi |
| 08:34.10 | Supercazzora | please knetworkmanager could not scan for wireless networks on kde4 |
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| 08:39.16 | edoreld | How's that command that lets you get answers for the configuration of packages in one string? |
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| 08:40.47 | edoreld | I know it was something like deb-get-answers or similar... |
| 08:41.26 | pingouin | nsadmin: franck gambale still alive ? ;) |
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| 08:44.12 | pingouin | still sweeping like a witches on her broom ? |
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| 09:09.31 | mintux | my server return wrong date and time (Sat Aug 3 14:04:55 EDT 2002) how can I change it ? with data -s ?? is it return to this command or it has another setting and I should not use data -s ? |
| 09:09.39 | Moiman | q |
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| 09:10.26 | jelly | mintux: if you mean "date -s", then yes |
| 09:10.39 | mintux | oh sorry data -s |
| 09:10.41 | mintux | oh |
| 09:10.42 | mintux | date |
| 09:10.46 | mintux | :P |
| 09:11.13 | omid8bimo | says helho :-) |
| 09:11.22 | jelly | mintux: you might also want to set the bios clock afterwards, using hwclock --systohc (and other options if your bios clock doesn't run in the local timezone) |
| 09:11.39 | Leftmost | I've installed lenny with LVM. I installed lilo as the bootloader, but when I attempt to boot, I get "mount: Mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such device". What can I do about this? |
| 09:12.12 | jelly | Leftmost: is your root device inside lvm? |
| 09:12.22 | Leftmost | Yes, but the boot device is not. |
| 09:12.50 | nsadmin | Leftmost: what filesystem is /boot? |
| 09:12.58 | Leftmost | ext2 |
| 09:13.21 | nsadmin | so the kernel boots, and so lilo is working |
| 09:13.22 | jelly | Leftmost: oh. Is it possible your initramfs image wasn't updated after lvm was created? |
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| 09:13.57 | Leftmost | No. I've reinstalled the kernel image to make sure. |
| 09:14.08 | nsadmin | so you can get in |
| 09:14.10 | nsadmin | how? |
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| 09:14.37 | Leftmost | Install disc, execute shell, mount and chroot in. |
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| 09:15.16 | robin | continues to struggle with iceweasel |
| 09:15.38 | robin | is there any way to recover a "crashed" iceweasel profile? |
| 09:15.59 | Mick27 | anyone having some kind of experience with ssh / pubkey and ldap ? |
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| 09:17.07 | robin | apart from using iceweasel -P to create a new one |
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| 09:18.59 | robin | re-installing plugins is becoming a pain .. its never doen this under windows |
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| 09:24.04 | camh | how do I change the device that gnome-settings-daemon controls when changing the volume via the media keys? |
| 09:25.00 | mrtn123 | I have installed packages to my machine both from "stable" and "testing" repositories. How do I know, which packages are installed from "stable" and which are from "testing"? |
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| 09:36.04 | sylar | does synaptic have an option to get the source of some package I find? |
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| 09:39.14 | mrtn123 | sylar: not that i know, but "apt-get source" should help |
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| 09:40.05 | sylar | mrtn123, thanks |
| 09:40.29 | g00se | apt-src worth looking at |
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| 09:55.03 | Billy | Help i can figure out to partition this |
| 09:55.22 | Billy | i can do full install but partition isnt working :'( |
| 09:55.24 | sylar | why apt-cache -a search drbd-util doesn't show the version? |
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| 09:56.30 | fireba11 | sylar: that's what apt-cache show drdb-util is for |
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| 09:57.24 | sylar | fireba11, I don't understand |
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| 09:57.43 | sylar | o show |
| 09:57.56 | sander_ | http://pastebin.ca/1486669 <-- I cant manage to boot the new kernel I Installed after upgrading from sarge to etch. |
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| 09:58.33 | sylar | fireba11, thanks |
| 09:58.47 | sander_ | Anyone know what I could do, to get the new 2.6.18-6-686 up and running? |
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| 10:01.20 | fireba11 | sander_: that's not a debian-style menu-lst at all |
| 10:02.04 | sander_ | fireba11, it is debian.. maybe a pretty old one. |
| 10:02.24 | fireba11 | sander_: updated all the way from woody? :-) |
| 10:02.34 | sander_ | fireba11, I think so. |
| 10:03.25 | edoreld | How come "tasksel --task-packages desktop" lists about 30 packages, but when I run tasksel and select desktop it starts downloading 700+ packages? |
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| 10:04.23 | fireba11 | edoreld: dependancies are not listed |
| 10:04.43 | jpinx | hi sander_ sis you get it to boot after the upgrade to Etch? |
| 10:04.53 | jpinx | *did... |
| 10:05.05 | edoreld | but if I try to install manually all the listed packages, it won't instañll the full-fledged desktop environment...shouln't it install dependencies as well using "apt-get ..." ? |
| 10:05.32 | sander_ | jpinx, yep.. Only that it booted into the old kernel |
| 10:05.36 | jpinx | edoreld: use aptitude |
| 10:05.51 | edoreld | i am |
| 10:05.52 | sander_ | jpinx, but I think I know whats wrong.. I havent added the initrd in grub |
| 10:05.59 | edoreld | even if i said apt-get |
| 10:06.01 | edoreld | :) |
| 10:06.04 | jpinx | sander_: did you run grub-install? |
| 10:06.22 | sander_ | jpinx, yep |
| 10:06.26 | sander_ | /usr/sbin/grub-install |
| 10:06.37 | jpinx | edoreld: you can try --withour-recommends |
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| 10:07.02 | jpinx | sander_: what did grub do when it installed? |
| 10:07.46 | jpinx | edoreld: --without-recommends -- still half-asleep here:-/ |
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| 10:08.20 | edoreld | ipinx: isn't that supposed to install less packages? |
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| 10:08.49 | sander_ | jpinx, just printed out (hd0)/dev/hda |
| 10:09.00 | jpinx | edoreld: it does what it says - but it will still install what you specifically ask for plus essential dependencies |
| 10:09.23 | edoreld | Well..I'll try it..see how it goes ^_^ |
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| 10:09.44 | sylar | how do I make less show line numbers? |
| 10:09.57 | jpinx | edoreld: you can do aptitude -s blah blah to see what will happen without actually doing anything |
| 10:10.11 | jpinx | man les sylar I can't remember;) |
| 10:10.23 | edoreld | ipinx. capital idea! |
| 10:10.37 | jpinx | man less -- even - i really need more sleep, |
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| 10:10.59 | edoreld | man les = less than a man? without man? :) |
| 10:11.43 | jpinx | sander_: what the specific probelm / error now? |
| 10:12.18 | jpinx | edoreld: man-less would be something else;) |
| 10:12.48 | sander_ | jpinx, only that I cant get the new 2.6.18 kernel to boot.. the old 2.6.7 kernel is still booting |
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| 10:13.20 | sander_ | jpinx, i'm planning to upgrade to lenny.. and then I need the new kernel to boot |
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| 10:13.37 | jpinx | ok - boot the old kernel and do the kernel upgrade again by aptitude install |
| 10:13.59 | jpinx | sander_: yea - I remember you'r on the road to modernisation ;)t |
| 10:14.45 | jpinx | sander_: specifically - "aptitude install..." - not apt-get |
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| 10:15.22 | sander_ | jpinx, i've always used aptitude |
| 10:15.32 | jpinx | sander_: cool :) |
| 10:15.42 | Zvpun | what package is the "freedesktop sound theme", gnome-volume-control wants it and says "Bad setup installl ..." |
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| 10:16.15 | jpinx | Zvpun: aptitude search is your friend |
| 10:17.40 | Zvpun | jpinx: take a guess, what I tried first without success |
| 10:19.56 | Zvpun | jpinx: where is you most clever comment? I miss it. |
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| 10:23.44 | bassliner | errm wrong window, my apologies. |
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| 10:28.48 | jake[work] | trying to change root pwd in single user mode but getting permissions denied - can someone help? |
| 10:29.39 | jpinx | !ifrp |
| 10:29.40 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 10:29.46 | jpinx | jake[work]: ^^ |
| 10:30.23 | jpinx | jake[work]: unless you have a user with sudo rights? |
| 10:30.27 | jake[work] | root |
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| 10:31.34 | jake[work] | passwd root fails with permission denied |
| 10:31.42 | Billy | hello! |
| 10:31.57 | jpinx | !tell jake[work] about ifrp |
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| 10:32.10 | jpinx | jake[work]: read what dpkg tells you |
| 10:32.15 | jake[work] | i did that |
| 10:32.16 | Billy | how do i partition debain? |
| 10:32.26 | jake[work] | i'm to the passwd step |
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| 10:33.15 | jpinx | jake[work]: have you done the fsck? |
| 10:33.41 | jpinx | Billy: with cfdisk or similar |
| 10:34.03 | Billy | what? |
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| 10:34.25 | Billy | i get an cant error but full install works fine |
| 10:34.25 | deeb | hi |
| 10:34.29 | Billy | yo |
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| 10:35.25 | jpinx | Billy: what's your error? |
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| 10:36.47 | Billy | idk lol im back in windows now |
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| 10:40.28 | jake[work] | jpinx: i went through and i still get permission denied |
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| 10:41.18 | jpinx | sorry jake[work] then it's beyond me - wait till some other admins are on here |
| 10:41.40 | mosno | is there a way for lenny to log its boot-time kernel panic somewhere? i'm guessing i'd have to setup some in-kernel network logging or something, since the root filesystem isn't up (but it may be able to write to /boot if i configure it somehow) |
| 10:41.51 | mosno | a bit lazyweb, but meh |
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| 10:43.02 | sander_ | jpinx, it works now.. I think it was because I replaced the menu.lst file |
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| 10:43.20 | sander_ | jpinx, forgot to add initrd parameters in it |
| 10:43.48 | jpinx | sander_: great - now you can carefully follow etch->lenny instructions, much simpler upgrade |
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| 10:44.00 | jpinx | !etch->lenny |
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| 10:45.02 | jpinx | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 10:45.02 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 10:45.19 | scream_ | dpkg, sid |
| 10:45.20 | dpkg | [sid] the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 10:49.52 | sander_ | I got E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:50.04 | sander_ | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:50.23 | jpinx | sander_: you runningout of space? |
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| 10:50.37 | sander_ | jpinx, nopes |
| 10:50.51 | jpinx | sander_: df -h |
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| 10:51.31 | Billy | ughh |
| 10:52.47 | sander_ | jpinx, I need to go |
| 10:53.02 | sander_ | jpinx, will be back laters. |
| 10:53.20 | sander_ | jpinx, thanks for the help so far. |
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| 10:58.58 | landwork | i have a problem in that I added 'unstable' to my sources.list to upgrade subversion (based on a tut somewhere on the net).. I was previously on etch... so my system is kind of between dists. |
| 10:59.01 | jpinx | sander_: np |
| 10:59.08 | landwork | what is the best way to fix this 'cock-up'? |
| 10:59.54 | jpinx | landwork: comment out the lines in sources.list, do an etch->lenny upgrade and hope;) |
| 10:59.56 | landwork | i've removed the offending 'unstable' entry in the sources.list and found out by people here that i'm running 2.9-4 of libc... so i'm half upgraded. |
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| 11:00.10 | landwork | i can't really hope it's a production machine ;) |
| 11:00.16 | landwork | should I just leave it if it's working? |
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| 11:00.41 | jake[work] | i really need an expert on this |
| 11:01.13 | jpinx | landwork: yes |
| 11:01.19 | jpinx | jake[work]: yes |
| 11:01.26 | landwork | okies. |
| 11:01.36 | landwork | i think i might install ubuntu server and move my services across to it... i think it'd be more stable in production - that is for the same amount of maintenance effort... |
| 11:01.36 | jpinx | jake[work]: did you try a normal boot? |
| 11:01.40 | jake[work] | yeah |
| 11:02.08 | jake[work] | changed back all the pam stuff back to defaults |
| 11:02.15 | jake[work] | noo more permision denied |
| 11:02.19 | jpinx | landwork: ubuntu will do the same and worse if you mess with the sources.list;) |
| 11:02.20 | jake[work] | passwd changed succefully |
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| 11:02.30 | jake[work] | but still can't login |
| 11:03.19 | jpinx | landwork: recommend you learn from your mistake and install stable debian for your server |
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| 11:04.02 | jpinx | jake[work]: are you trying to login remotely ? |
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| 11:04.08 | jake[work] | yeah |
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| 11:04.16 | jake[work] | trying to giude someone over the phone |
| 11:04.32 | jake[work] | he could login using the proc you mentioned |
| 11:04.32 | jpinx | jake[work]: ok - is it a remote login situation? |
| 11:04.41 | jake[work] | and "change the passwd" |
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| 11:04.49 | jake[work] | then i tried to get in remotely |
| 11:04.51 | jake[work] | no good |
| 11:05.07 | jpinx | jake[work]: rootlogin is usually barred by defaultt |
| 11:05.27 | jpinx | jake[work]: you need to login as a regular user and su or sudo |
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| 11:05.57 | jake[work] | i know what you mean - but it worked before I applied the pam-cracklib modules |
| 11:06.27 | jpinx | jake[work]: lets get the guy back in there before messing with pam ;) |
| 11:07.07 | jake[work] | yeah - i thought i disabled all of pam |
| 11:07.10 | jpinx | jake[work]: is it a good policy to have a standby user with sudo priviledges for this type of situaton |
| 11:07.53 | jake[work] | oh - i think the problem is much deeper than that - no user can login at this point |
| 11:08.03 | jake[work] | auth is in the can |
| 11:08.35 | jpinx | can you ping the box? |
| 11:08.50 | jake[work] | yes - all services come up just fine |
| 11:09.15 | jpinx | jake[work]: you might have been r00ted |
| 11:09.23 | jake[work] | i can ssh to the login prompt |
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| 11:10.49 | jpinx | jake[work]: this is beyond me - I'm guessing now |
| 11:11.26 | jake[work] | do u know anyone on here that works as a consultant? |
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| 11:13.34 | jpinx | jake[work]: wait for people to come on here - you'll get help once USA wakes up ;) |
| 11:13.45 | jake[work] | :) tnx |
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| 11:15.00 | xlotlu | is there a way to have sshd deny password authentication, but not drop clients right away? |
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| 11:18.55 | edoreld | what is the package that has the graphical files for the icons in the GNOME desktop environment? |
| 11:20.43 | twoface | depends on your theme - i use package tango-icon-theme |
| 11:21.29 | edoreld | I just want the default theme |
| 11:21.51 | edoreld | something that can be easily recognizable by the majority of people ^_^ |
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| 11:22.58 | edoreld | because I'm getting some icons that look like erhm... |
| 11:23.07 | edoreld | How to say "muelle" in English hmmm |
| 11:23.27 | twoface | gnome-icon-theme is the default, afaik |
| 11:23.30 | craigevil | gnome-icon-theme |
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| 11:23.51 | edoreld | well it says I had that installed, however I still got those icons you get when there are no icons... |
| 11:24.17 | drake_Choson | hello, do you know why I have rats in my netfilter after I just update the kernel-image |
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| 11:24.41 | edoreld | ah like "springs" i think |
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| 11:27.11 | twoface | edoreld: that sounds like the default launcher icon - do they show everywhere? |
| 11:27.24 | edoreld | nope, just two icons on the menu bar |
| 11:27.36 | edoreld | it is called Menu Bar in Linux as well, right? :) |
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| 11:28.33 | drake_Choson | too many fakes in this world |
| 11:29.03 | twoface | edoreld: right click them, click properties, and change the icons |
| 11:30.10 | edoreld | twoface: That's a valid solution, but in my situation I need a package to be installed that will assure me that those icons will be there with the right image |
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| 11:31.01 | craigevil | if your using kde apps in gnome or the other way around chances are you will have to set the icon manually |
| 11:31.11 | twoface | edoreld: then check what icon they are set to use |
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| 11:31.46 | Zvpun | is there a sound-theme-freedesktop package for debian somewhere? |
| 11:31.49 | edoreld | craigevil: i believe I'm not using kde apps in gnome, but never hurts to check :) |
| 11:32.01 | internat1 | Howdy All, any suggestions on how to bandwidth limit a specific mac address on my debian firewall/gateway box? |
| 11:32.03 | edoreld | twoface: right, I'll see what I can dig up! |
| 11:32.49 | drake_Choson | might just ask a ISP register |
| 11:33.00 | negge | I'm about to run out of disk space on my EEEPc (the one with 4GB built-in drive). It seems like /usr uses almost 2GB of space, so I'm thinking I could copy all contents of /usr to an SDHC-card, which I could then mount on /usr, thus saving about 2GB of space from the internal drive. Are there any complications to doing this? Will the system stay functional while I copy and mount the /usr partition or will everything suddenly freeze when I run rm-rf /usr? |
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| 11:34.10 | craigevil | negge: try doing apt-get clean, debian on my 701 only takes up 1.8Gb, i use lxde rather than kde/gnome |
| 11:34.26 | negge | craigevil: actually I'm running Ubuntu on it |
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| 11:34.43 | negge | and I kinda like GNOME. |
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| 11:35.42 | woshty | negge: have you remove als doc packages? |
| 11:35.47 | woshty | dx |
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| 11:37.20 | negge | woshty: I've removed pretty much everything I can, but I don't think I've touched the docs... |
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| 11:37.29 | edwin | hi |
| 11:38.21 | woshty | negge: try that (not talking about basic stuff like manpages), some are pretty big packages which you do not need for the system to work |
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| 11:38.51 | negge | woshty: any good regexp that finds em all? Or do I need to manually go through dpkg -l to find the cruft? |
| 11:39.12 | craigevil | negge: install localepurge |
| 11:39.26 | negge | craigevil: tried that too |
| 11:39.28 | abrotman | internat1: maybe wondershaper can |
| 11:39.36 | lupine_85 | negge, you should be able to just move stuff around |
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| 11:39.42 | lupine_85 | all the file handles currently open will remain open |
| 11:40.01 | lupine_85 | moved /lib once. That was fun. |
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| 11:40.43 | drake_Choson | very funny to stab other people's servers |
| 11:40.49 | drake_Choson | goodbye |
| 11:42.32 | edwin | hmm nvidia-glx-ia32 was not updated for the ia32 transition |
| 11:42.41 | edwin | and ia32-apt-get dind't create an ia32-nvidia-glx package |
| 11:42.43 | edwin | is that a bug? |
| 11:43.27 | abrotman | are you using 32bit nvidia drivers on a 64bit installation ? |
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| 11:45.12 | edwin | abrotman: yes, for wine its needed |
| 11:45.18 | edwin | the drivers are 32-bit |
| 11:45.21 | edwin | but I need a 32-bit libGL |
| 11:45.29 | edwin | nvidia-glx-ia32 was working fine |
| 11:45.37 | edwin | I copied its files manually to /usr/lib32 for now |
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| 11:48.34 | edwin | err, I mean the kernel drivers are 64-bit of course |
| 11:48.58 | edwin | I have a 64-bit libGL for 64-bit apps, and a 32-bit libGL was provided by nvidia-glx-ia32 for 32-bit apps (like wine) |
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| 11:52.09 | blahdeblah | Hi. What is the best way to install Debian VMs under an openSUSE host? There's no option for Debian or other Linux on the list in SUSE's virt-manager. |
| 11:52.53 | blahdeblah | (Using Xen virtualization, BTW) |
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| 11:53.40 | scream_ | blahdeblah, use xen-tools |
| 11:54.02 | kubu | >Hi, pals. I have a problem changing Kjots fontsize grater than 14. It happens when i past a text from other application, say a web browser. I wonder if this is a bug. i use Kde 4.3.0.RC1 |
| 11:54.04 | blahdeblah | scream_: They have xen-tools on openSUSE? |
| 11:54.26 | scream_ | dunno, i think they should |
| 11:54.33 | scream_ | at least as a package :) |
| 11:54.43 | blahdeblah | scream_: OK - i'll search for it |
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| 11:54.46 | abrotman | kubu: which version of Debian, and where did you get that KDE? |
| 11:54.53 | blahdeblah | So no way to do it with virt-manager? |
| 11:55.36 | scream_ | blahdeblah, i don't know. but i installed a lot of debians(and ubuntus) using xen-tools |
| 11:55.43 | jpinx | jake[work]: you there still? |
| 11:55.51 | blahdeblah | scream_: OK - thanks |
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| 11:57.10 | Billy | hi installed linux to hd and picked desktop environment and it gave me gnome :( |
| 11:57.26 | jpinx | Billy: that's the default |
| 11:57.41 | Billy | what would have happened if i didnt pick desktop environment? |
| 11:57.51 | abrotman | Billy: you'd have ended up with a CLI environment |
| 11:57.57 | Billy | whats that? |
| 11:58.00 | jpinx | Billy: you can install what you like |
| 11:58.09 | abrotman | Billy: at that time, you could have then installed any GUI you would have liked (though you can still do that now |
| 11:58.22 | Billy | i want whatever will be quickest |
| 11:58.28 | abrotman | quickest to what? |
| 11:58.28 | Billy | as in speed wise |
| 11:58.36 | Billy | open programs ect... |
| 11:58.37 | scream_ | twm :D |
| 11:58.42 | jpinx | abrotman: not sure if purging gnome actually gets rid of *everything*n |
| 11:58.57 | abrotman | Billy: please go to xwinman.org .. choose one .. there are many 'small' window managers .. but they're not for everyone |
| 11:59.10 | abrotman | jpinx: there are ways it can be done ... have no fear |
| 11:59.39 | jpinx | Billy: the fastest way to open an application is from the commandline:) |
| 11:59.57 | jpinx | abrotman: of course, but it's not a straightforward purge |
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| 12:00.13 | Billy | im looking for something with about the graphics wise of windows classic theme |
| 12:00.22 | abrotman | jpinx: for his case .. it'll be close enough considering he's going to install another WM right after that |
| 12:00.29 | abrotman | Billy: like icewm ? |
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| 12:00.39 | Billy | idk rather new to linux lol |
| 12:00.44 | scream_ | Billy, you can use JWM. it's lightweight and nicely configurable. used it on P100 |
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| 12:00.58 | jpinx | Billy: I use lxde |
| 12:01.12 | Roobarb-Work | hi - I've inherited a debian box and I need to find out what package to install to give me libssl.so.6 ? |
| 12:01.15 | Billy | quicker then xfce? |
| 12:01.24 | Billy | kde is slower then gnome for me lol |
| 12:01.40 | abrotman | Billy: icewm can be made to look like Win95 |
| 12:01.52 | jpinx | Billy: forget gnome and KDE if you want speed |
| 12:02.08 | Phasy13 | Billy KDE is slow for everyone man |
| 12:02.09 | Phasy13 | :D |
| 12:02.11 | jpinx | Billy: almost any WM can be made to look like windows |
| 12:02.18 | abrotman | jpinx: awesomewm ? |
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| 12:02.36 | scream_ | abrotman, that's just evil. :) |
| 12:02.36 | abrotman | actually .. i'd say only a few can be made to look that way |
| 12:02.38 | Billy | i dont want it to look like widows lol i just want it to be bland and basic |
| 12:02.41 | jpinx | abrotman: "almost" ;) |
| 12:02.41 | Roobarb-Work | anyone? |
| 12:02.54 | abrotman | !tell Roobarb-Work about search |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | !tell Roobarb-Work about apt-file |
| 12:03.05 | abrotman | Roobarb-Work: and that sounds pretty old .. which version of debian is that? |
| 12:03.20 | Roobarb-Work | umm |
| 12:03.32 | Roobarb-Work | 4.0 |
| 12:03.42 | negge | great, I accidentally deleted all kernels... |
| 12:03.47 | jpinx | Billy: install one - if you don't like it - purge it and install another |
| 12:04.42 | Billy | idk even know how to install one |
| 12:04.51 | Roobarb-Work | abrotman: I have a binary sent by a vendor in order to fiddle with a udb license dongle, and its linked against libssl.so.6 :/ |
| 12:04.58 | Roobarb-Work | *usb |
| 12:05.01 | Billy | omg internet crashed nice |
| 12:05.01 | Igloo | Is anyone able to help me with this suspend-button problem please?: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2009-July/013443.html |
| 12:05.13 | Billy | good first impression lol |
| 12:05.17 | jpinx | Billy: :~ aptitude install lxde |
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| 12:05.35 | abrotman | watches jpinx be pushy |
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| 12:05.45 | abrotman | Roobarb-Work: and that file isn't in etch? |
| 12:05.51 | abrotman | dpkg: find libssl.so.6 etch |
| 12:05.53 | tuxnani | to all: any irc channel discussing p2p algorithms |
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| 12:06.05 | abrotman | tuxnani: probably not this one .. try a p2p program channel |
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| 12:06.19 | jpinx | Billy: or :~aptitude install xfce4 |
| 12:06.21 | abrotman | or #programming (i think that still exists) |
| 12:06.29 | Billy | where can i get lxde |
| 12:06.33 | jpinx | to keep abrotman happy;) |
| 12:06.41 | Billy | and is it faster then xfce in ur opinion? |
| 12:06.59 | abrotman | Billy: this is why i asked you to go to xwinman.org to choose one ... |
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| 12:07.31 | jpinx | Billy: you can use aptitude from the comman line or synaptic in the gui |
| 12:07.44 | jpinx | *command |
| 12:08.00 | leon2k | hi ic just cant manage to find out how i can see which partiton is(hd0,1) and so on . Can somebody help me please? |
| 12:08.52 | jpinx | leon2k: fdisk -l (as root) |
| 12:08.53 | scream_ | leon2k, cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 12:09.38 | abrotman | jpinx: how would that help? |
| 12:09.46 | leon2k | THANK YOU |
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| 12:10.42 | Billy | im doing aptitude install lxde through terminal |
| 12:10.51 | Billy | how do i apply it after its done? |
| 12:11.05 | Roobarb-Work | abrotman: meh, I'll pass this back to the vendor |
| 12:11.06 | mischief | kill X, and select lxsession when you log in |
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| 12:11.09 | Roobarb-Work | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:11.22 | mischief | can anyone tell me if it is possible to wipe debian while booted to debian? |
| 12:11.32 | abrotman | Roobarb-Work: how old is this software ? |
| 12:11.35 | mischief | maybe dd to my /dev/ device? :> |
| 12:11.38 | abrotman | Billy: that is done |
| 12:11.46 | Billy | what is done? |
| 12:11.49 | abrotman | mischiefyou want to kill your own install ? |
| 12:11.53 | Roobarb-Work | abrotman: I have no idea - the vendor isn't particularly good about being up to date :/ |
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| 12:12.30 | mischief | abrotman, yes. i am putting OpenBSD on this machine >_> |
| 12:12.38 | Billy | i got alot of done things then i see billy:/home/billy# |
| 12:12.44 | Billy | now what? |
| 12:12.51 | Roobarb-Work | mischief: OpenBSD should be able to repartition your disk itself |
| 12:12.53 | abrotman | mischief: so just boot the obsd installer and wipe from there ? |
| 12:13.16 | mischief | i wanted to wipe it. not just drop the partition table/disklabel |
| 12:13.34 | Roobarb-Work | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdisk |
| 12:13.35 | scream_ | Billy, you log out off X. then in login change session type to LXDE |
| 12:13.48 | Billy | k ill try it |
| 12:13.51 | Billy | brb |
| 12:13.57 | mischief | it's only a 6GB disk. shouldn't take long Roobarb-Work :) |
| 12:14.02 | abrotman | mischief: it uses a different filesystem type... it's going to reformat the partitions |
| 12:14.14 | Roobarb-Work | 6GB? old school! |
| 12:14.15 | abrotman | mischief: if you're really paranoid, /msg dpkg dban |
| 12:14.24 | Roobarb-Work | just pulled a 13GB disk from a desktop |
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| 12:15.15 | mischief | Roobarb-Work, http://paste.debian.net/41241/ |
| 12:15.15 | Billy | ahh much better thanks alot guys :P |
| 12:15.15 | mischief | look at that :) |
| 12:15.30 | mischief | oh, it's got 128MB of memory too :> |
| 12:15.31 | abrotman | Billy: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 12:15.42 | Billy | in terminal? |
| 12:15.44 | Roobarb-Work | heh - we had someone in #rhel witha P233 earlier ;) |
| 12:15.57 | Roobarb-Work | wth do you use that for? firewall? |
| 12:16.03 | mns | How do I get mplayer to play a DVD ? I tried to use mplayer but that does not seem to work (mplayer -dvd-device /media/cdrom0 dvd://01). I'm not too familiar with how to watch movies on a laptop. |
| 12:16.14 | mischief | well, i would LIKE to use it for a firewall - but it's only got one eth port on it. |
| 12:16.28 | Roobarb-Work | 802.1q ;) |
| 12:16.29 | mischief | i want to buy new parts for a firewall but it gets expensive quickly >_> |
| 12:16.38 | streuner | mns: use xine and read the FAQ on there website :-) |
| 12:16.44 | Billy | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 12:16.49 | mischief | Â… |
| 12:16.54 | scream_ | mischief, openbsd works nicely as a firewall. especially the pf :) |
| 12:16.55 | mischief | facepalms |
| 12:16.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Billy about remove gnome |
| 12:17.07 | mischief | scream_, i know, i use it :P just not on this machine |
| 12:17.19 | abrotman | Roobarb-Work: i still have a P150 here doing work |
| 12:17.26 | abrotman | erm .. maybe P120 |
| 12:17.35 | Roobarb-Work | I'm impressed |
| 12:17.51 | mischief | right now i am cleaning out ~/ before i wipe it xP |
| 12:17.55 | abrotman | (i'm more impressed that I could find EDO RAM to use in it) |
| 12:18.02 | mischief | after i mess around with openbsd a bit, i'm gonna try gentoo.. |
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| 12:18.06 | streuner | mns: http://www.xine-project.org/faq#id406774 |
| 12:18.09 | Roobarb-Work | I have a few Cobalt Raq3i's at home - AMD350's, although I haven't got round to shoe-horning a 2.6 kernel on them yet |
| 12:18.11 | Billy | thanks brbr |
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| 12:19.02 | scream_ | mischief, have you tried policy routing on it? |
| 12:19.10 | craigevil | mns: install libdvdcss2 from dmm, and if you want a sexy frontend to mplayer install smplayer |
| 12:19.39 | mischief | scream_, no, don't think so. i have not done many advanced things, but i want to |
| 12:19.44 | mischief | i think pf is amazing |
| 12:19.57 | mns | craigevil: I've got smplayer installed. |
| 12:20.03 | mischief | if debian had pf, i might forget openbsd entirely :p |
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| 12:20.32 | gribouille | hi |
| 12:21.43 | scream_ | in linux the policy routing is as adavanced as cisco's. but BSD seems to lag in this area :) |
| 12:21.56 | gribouille | how can I prevent the execution of applications that aren't owned by root ? |
| 12:21.58 | omid8bimo | wondering when ia32-libs for sid will be released! |
| 12:22.12 | streuner | mns: read the URL of xine, its basically the same about watching DVDs |
| 12:22.28 | mns | streuner: yup, reading it. |
| 12:22.42 | omid8bimo | gribouille: as much as i know, root can execute anythin |
| 12:22.56 | tarzeau | omid8bimo: that was not the question i think |
| 12:23.10 | gribouille | omid8bimo, I mean executing the applications y other users |
| 12:23.14 | tarzeau | gribouille: you remove the execute bit? |
| 12:23.26 | abrotman | gribouille: you mean in like /home/ ? |
| 12:23.36 | omid8bimo | tarzeau: kinda confused :-/ sorry |
| 12:23.40 | gribouille | abrotman, yes |
| 12:23.50 | abrotman | gribouille: man mount .. look at the noexec option perhaps ? |
| 12:24.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: does that prevent a user to say "sh /home/$USER/myscript" ? |
| 12:24.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: he said binaries ? |
| 12:24.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can also run binaries like that? |
| 12:24.47 | gribouille | abrotman, not only binaries |
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| 12:24.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: try it .. let me know .. |
| 12:25.06 | mischief | haha |
| 12:25.09 | mischief | I have no name!@mordor:~$ |
| 12:25.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: we don't have noexec, and we have nfs homes |
| 12:25.16 | mischief | looks like /etc/passwd got overwritten by dd |
| 12:25.21 | tarzeau | gribouille: the easiest would be you tell your users to not run their own binaries. |
| 12:25.30 | tarzeau | gribouille: if you are really good, they will do as you say. |
| 12:25.35 | gribouille | I want to ensure that users can run only a specific list of applications |
| 12:25.46 | tarzeau | gribouille: remove all other applications then |
| 12:25.54 | tarzeau | gribouille: there's no other simple way, afaik |
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| 12:26.15 | gribouille | tarzeau, a user can always download an aoo |
| 12:26.17 | gribouille | tarzeau, a user can always download an app |
| 12:26.18 | valan | can't really prevent the execution of binaries not owned by root |
| 12:26.25 | valan | unless selinux or something can do that |
| 12:26.26 | sep | i just created a new partition. but for some reason it's not showing up in /dev how can i tell udev to " check out this new partition table" ? |
| 12:26.31 | tarzeau | gribouille: can and does is a big difference |
| 12:26.40 | tarzeau | gribouille: if we tell our users to not do something, they don't |
| 12:27.01 | valan | heh, users following rules, that's a good one |
| 12:27.02 | gribouille | tarzeau, that's naive |
| 12:27.07 | tarzeau | gribouille: it works |
| 12:27.15 | tarzeau | gribouille: if you find another solution, tell me |
| 12:27.26 | Billy | how do i install something in terminal again? |
| 12:28.12 | Billy | apt get wont work |
| 12:28.13 | apt | ACTION fetches wont work |
| 12:28.32 | tarzeau | Billy: apt-get install sauerbraten ? |
| 12:28.41 | Billy | what |
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| 12:28.52 | Billy | i need these files |
| 12:28.56 | tarzeau | Billy: that's the command you wanted to know? |
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| 12:29.00 | Billy | zlib1g-dev libsdl1.2-dev libflac++-dev nasm tar bzip2 p7zip libjpeg62 |
| 12:29.24 | gribouille | tarzeau, for bash, you can run it in restricted mode |
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| 12:29.40 | tarzeau | gribouille: hahah bash -r? come on seriously, that doesn't help anything |
| 12:29.50 | gribouille | tarzeau, why not ? |
| 12:29.50 | Gratz474 | anyone here use tinydns at all? |
| 12:29.57 | Gratz474 | sorry djbdns? |
| 12:29.58 | tarzeau | gribouille: the user can just start another shell without -r :) |
| 12:30.01 | scream_ | Gratz474, i do |
| 12:30.08 | Billy | im trying to get this to work http://skulltag.com/download/ |
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| 12:30.17 | Gratz474 | any debian speicific stuff it does? |
| 12:30.25 | tarzeau | gribouille: and there's many apps that a user can exit to into an unrestricted shell |
| 12:30.25 | Gratz474 | different then the install page? |
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| 12:30.46 | Gratz474 | scream_, is tinydns still /etc/tinydns?? |
| 12:31.36 | scream_ | Gratz474, i never installed it on debian. you can specify it's root anywhere you wish when doing tinydns-conf |
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| 12:31.50 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 12:31.56 | Gratz474 | so debian didn't already create it ? |
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| 12:32.03 | jpinx | judd: versions skulltag |
| 12:32.05 | judd | jpinx: skulltag -- |
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| 12:32.23 | jpinx | Billy: skulltag is not in debian |
| 12:32.25 | Gratz474 | also djbdns makes you seperate the cache from the server doesn't it ? |
| 12:32.36 | Aldo | Hi. I want to launch "nano" on all the files that have some substring, recursively from a directory. I can use grep to find the files with the substring but how to launch nano on them? |
| 12:32.56 | scream_ | Gratz474, you can always look for README.Debian in the package's dir in /usr/share/doc for debian specific changes |
| 12:33.05 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 12:33.14 | Gratz474 | i dont see the dir anywhere so yea |
| 12:33.19 | Billy | jpinx ubuntu should work on debain as a friend of mine who runs skulltag servers and plays it uses debain |
| 12:33.21 | Gratz474 | prollly did not create it |
| 12:33.29 | Billy | ubuntu file* |
| 12:33.49 | jpinx | Billy: maybe - but at your own risk |
| 12:34.04 | gribouille | tarzeau, so, what is the use of restricted shell ? |
| 12:34.14 | Billy | jpinx can u help me? |
| 12:34.19 | valan | ubuntu stuff shouldn't necessarily work on debian |
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| 12:35.58 | tarzeau | gribouille: i don't know, it's a joke |
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| 12:37.09 | valan | restricted bash can be useful |
| 12:37.09 | tarzeau | gribouille: maybe combined with a smart chroot, it'd be useful. but i haven't seen anything useable so far |
| 12:37.20 | tarzeau | valan: examples please? |
| 12:37.41 | valan | my irc bouncer provides the admin a restricted bash shell over irc |
| 12:37.55 | jpinx | valan: tbh I have found a lot of non-official .debs "just work" in my testing environment - but I wouldn't risk my main system;) |
| 12:37.59 | valan | well not mine, but i've seen it |
| 12:38.01 | tarzeau | valan: and you can't start any other binaries that you can start an unrestricted shell from? |
| 12:38.19 | valan | and it uses a custom $PATH, one without a shell in the path |
| 12:38.32 | tarzeau | valan: PATH can be changed, or one can use a full path to a binary |
| 12:38.34 | valan | so therefore you can't (easily) start another shell in it |
| 12:38.42 | tarzeau | valan: or if you have network, you can get binaries for that host? |
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| 12:38.59 | valan | in restricted mode you can't change PATH or run commands with / in it |
| 12:39.00 | tarzeau | valan: many programs allow starting a shell, and they don't usually start a restricted one |
| 12:39.18 | valan | it had select programs in it's PATH |
| 12:39.53 | valan | it really wasn't too useful because of the restrictions |
| 12:40.16 | valan | but there were a few somewhat useful things that could be done |
| 12:40.24 | tarzeau | and you login to the host how? ssh? |
| 12:40.30 | tarzeau | valan: and scp doesn't work? |
| 12:40.31 | Aldo2 | Hi. I want to launch "nano" on all the files that have some substring, recursively from a directory. I can use grep to find the files with the substring but how to launch nano on them? (Sorry for asking again i am losing connection and it's quite urgent) |
| 12:40.32 | valan | that was over irc |
| 12:40.43 | tarzeau | valan: irc has dcc to get/send binary files |
| 12:40.43 | Roobarb-Work | Aldo2: xargs |
| 12:40.53 | Aldo2 | xargs? |
| 12:40.59 | valan | irc in a /msg window |
| 12:41.08 | Roobarb-Work | find . -name "*foo*" | xargs nano |
| 12:41.15 | tarzeau | valan: depending on the irc client you can run /exec stuff |
| 12:41.17 | Roobarb-Work | or something like that |
| 12:41.31 | valan | yes but that runs stuff locally, not remotely |
| 12:41.49 | valan | so it wouldn't run stuff on the host the bouncer ran on |
| 12:41.52 | tarzeau | valan: yeah and if it runs stuff locally, you can get data on your $HOME, that you can run? |
| 12:41.59 | tarzeau | oh i see what you mean |
| 12:42.03 | valan | the restricted shell was through the bouncer |
| 12:42.04 | Aldo2 | thanks Roobarb-Work |
| 12:42.09 | valan | on the remote host |
| 12:42.39 | valan | actually the bouncer i'm using now might have that capability as well, never really checked |
| 12:42.40 | Aldo2 | Roobarb-Work: gives "RECEIVED SIGHUP OR SIGTEMR" |
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| 12:44.40 | Roobarb-Work | Aldo2: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 12:44.48 | Roobarb-Work | I'm sure there are better ways |
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| 12:45.10 | Aldo2 | I have a virus in many .php files and i would like to do a mass replace of the line but i can't, i am desperate and i want to proceed iwth nano |
| 12:45.20 | Roobarb-Work | sed -i |
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| 12:45.30 | Aldo2 | to cut manually... I can't replace with sed or perl or whatever else because the string is very long and probably contains special characters |
| 12:45.36 | Aldo2 | that my sed strings can't handle |
| 12:46.03 | Roobarb-Work | I'd restore from backup, personally |
| 12:46.21 | Aldo2 | we found out too late, the backup is compromised |
| 12:46.26 | Aldo2 | as well, and the other one too old |
| 12:46.30 | Roobarb-Work | ... |
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| 12:47.31 | valan | you can't write a regexp to match the lines? |
| 12:47.49 | Aldo2 | if you can help me in writing it would be the best |
| 12:47.52 | Aldo2 | i put on nopaste |
| 12:48.14 | Aldo2 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aHMfKkPPi |
| 12:48.20 | Aldo2 | that's to be cutted |
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| 12:48.38 | Aldo2 | i think it's even too long for pasting on irc |
| 12:48.52 | mlankhorst | is ia32-libs broken in sid? |
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| 12:49.04 | valan | i don't remember regexp too well, maybe someone else can help though |
| 12:49.19 | brutus | How do I know on which file in /dev is a usb stick attached to? |
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| 12:50.21 | valan | brutus you could try looking through the output of fdisk -l |
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| 12:51.03 | Roobarb-Work | Aldo2: for i in $(find . -name "*foo*"); do nano $i; done; |
| 12:51.16 | mlankhorst | it says ia32-apt-get is version 22, but ia32-libs asks for ia32-apt-get (>= 21) |
| 12:51.18 | brutus | valan: thanks! |
| 12:51.21 | Billy | where is wine installed by default? |
| 12:51.24 | mlankhorst | so it wont install and i dno why |
| 12:51.34 | Aldo2 | Roobarb: could you help me in writing the string for replacing with sed? http://www.nopaste.com/p/aHMfKkPPi here's the string to be replaced |
| 12:52.05 | Aldo2 | i could do it with little part of it but not with all because of special characters |
| 12:52.09 | Roobarb-Work | Aldo2: jsut escape the forward slashes |
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| 12:52.20 | valan | Billy i dunno for sure, but wine is likely installed into /usr |
| 12:52.23 | Gratz474 | scream_, do you know djbdns well? |
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| 12:52.31 | Aldo2 | I tried |
| 12:52.58 | Aldo2 | doesn't work, it's frustrating, I have put \/ instead of / |
| 12:53.09 | valan | yeah you do |
| 12:53.39 | d_b | Anyone know how to use oggz-comment? I want to import tags to a speex file from a text file. Or if it's possible straight from a flac file. |
| 12:53.55 | valan | or you could just match the start and end, then use .* to match everything inbetween |
| 12:54.31 | scream_ | Gratz474, i run it in split dns configuration at home. with dnscache in between |
| 12:55.05 | Gratz474 | i mean i am trying to make my djbdns allow .com's scream_ |
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| 12:55.38 | scream_ | Gratz474, djbdns is a collection of dns related utils. which one are you trying to use? |
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| 12:55.52 | Gratz474 | tinydns |
| 12:56.30 | Gratz474 | trying to make it so .com's work hehehe |
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| 12:57.17 | scream_ | Gratz474, you are trying to host some .com names on it? |
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| 12:57.19 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 12:57.28 | man_in_shack | i'm looking at the description of ia32-libs in unstable |
| 12:57.37 | Gratz474 | scream_, yes |
| 12:57.56 | Gratz474 | its for a friend |
| 12:58.09 | man_in_shack | "once ia32-apt-get is installed you need to run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade again to get part two" |
| 12:58.10 | scream_ | i don't have any com names, only lv. bat can give you some example configs |
| 12:58.21 | Gratz474 | i mean |
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| 12:58.43 | Gratz474 | when a dns cache tries to get the ip of a domain they first delegate it right? |
| 12:58.58 | man_in_shack | 1) is this applicable for unstable? 2) ia32-apt-get conflicts with ia32-libs, so it removes all the ia32 software installed via apt :( |
| 12:59.04 | Gratz474 | then the delegation returns the ip of the nameserver and the nthe nameserver is asked right? |
| 12:59.14 | scream_ | yes |
| 12:59.16 | mlankhorst | man_in_shack: same problem here |
| 12:59.21 | mlankhorst | cant develop for wine right now :/ |
| 12:59.30 | Gratz474 | why is asking for the ip and delegation seperate scream_ ? |
| 12:59.37 | man_in_shack | mlankhorst, are you using my packages? :P |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | maybe people shouldn't be running unstable? |
| 13:00.20 | scream_ | Gratz474, so that you can change your names, add subdaomains and anything else without changing any records on .com zone's servers |
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| 13:00.35 | scream_ | it just gives out NS records |
| 13:00.36 | mlankhorst | man_in_shack: just using default sid |
| 13:00.40 | Gratz474 | scream_, so delegation is nothing about giving the record itself its just for finding out what nameserver |
| 13:00.41 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 13:00.46 | Gratz474 | ? |
| 13:00.59 | Gratz474 | then that nameserver woudl give out the record based on the service right? |
| 13:01.11 | mlankhorst | it seems ia32-apt-get has a conflict with ia32-libs |
| 13:01.13 | mlankhorst | Conflicts: ia32-libs, ia32-libs-gtk |
| 13:01.14 | scream_ | Gratz474, yeah, you can use dig tool to see this. |
| 13:01.20 | Gratz474 | yea btw |
| 13:01.21 | mlankhorst | i bet that is causing it |
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| 13:01.35 | anddam | hi |
| 13:01.38 | Gratz474 | i mean its all good but this is all being done from the same dns server with 1 ip scream_ :\ |
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| 13:01.45 | anddam | can I install deb packages from a knoppix disc? |
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| 13:02.12 | Gratz474 | scream_, ah i see what your saying they can add sub domains and stuff without having to change nameservers |
| 13:02.40 | valan | mlankhorst have you updated sources recently? |
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| 13:03.02 | scream_ | Gratz474, yes. you can read about DNS's inner working at the wikipedia. they have a great writeup |
| 13:03.03 | anddam | or how are knoppix discs built? from .deb packages? |
| 13:03.05 | mlankhorst | possibly, apt-get was hanging |
| 13:03.15 | mns | anddam: do you want to install from a |
| 13:03.17 | man_in_shack | i just updated sources from ftp.us |
| 13:03.19 | man_in_shack | *ftp.au |
| 13:03.24 | valan | possibly? update now then |
| 13:03.31 | mns | anddam: do you want to install from a Knoppix CD to a pure Debian system ? |
| 13:03.39 | valan | often times weird apt stuff like that might be solved in updates |
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| 13:04.08 | anddam | mns: here's the point: I'm on lenny, I found an interesting knoppix-based distro with programs not in debian repo, is there a (quick) way I can put just those on my actual system? |
| 13:04.20 | Gratz474 | scream_, yea well delegations and nameservers directly for the domain are prolly not the best to have all on one server |
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| 13:04.37 | mlankhorst | man_in_shack: I changed the conflicts for ia32-apt-get |
| 13:04.52 | caraconan | Hi. How can I specify only the tab character as awd delimitier? |
| 13:04.53 | mlankhorst | if i change it to ia32-libs (<2) i can install the fake ia32-libs package |
| 13:05.19 | scream_ | Gratz474, the com zone's servers delegate the name to your nameserver, who in turns gives out the names |
| 13:05.19 | valan | anddam see if those programs offer a .deb to download on their web site |
| 13:05.23 | mns | anddam: That should be doable. Might have to see dpeendencies and such. |
| 13:05.30 | anddam | valan: they don't |
| 13:05.46 | man_in_shack | wait a sec |
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| 13:06.00 | mns | anddam: if they don't have a .deb, do they have an RPM ? |
| 13:06.00 | valan | i'd honestly rather build my own packages than use packages for another distro though |
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| 13:06.03 | man_in_shack | gah |
| 13:06.06 | anddam | like Alliance, there have been a couple RFP but probably there are license issues |
| 13:06.09 | man_in_shack | mlankhorst, you know something fun? |
| 13:06.14 | mlankhorst | man_in_shack: shoot |
| 13:06.20 | valan | using packages for other distros just feels dirty |
| 13:06.34 | Gratz474 | scream_, names what is the last names? |
| 13:07.06 | man_in_shack | the new ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (version 21) depend on ia32-apt-get >= 21, but ia32-apt-get (version 22) conflicts with unversioned ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 13:07.46 | mlankhorst | man_in_shack: i knew that :P |
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| 13:08.11 | man_in_shack | i have no idea how that was missed when the packages were going in to unstable |
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| 13:08.36 | scream_ | Gratz474, for example you have a domai named mainframe.lv. when you type this name in the browser the following happens(ocnsidering no caching) the root is queried for lv zones DNS servers, then lv DNS servers are queried for mainframe.lv DNS server, and after that the IP address of mainframe.lv record is queried |
| 13:09.01 | scream_ | the last point is where you have control |
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| 13:09.19 | mlankhorst | man_in_shack: so how do i get my lib32 back after fixing those conflicts? |
| 13:09.41 | man_in_shack | i haven't got that far |
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| 13:10.24 | man_in_shack | if the conflicts are resolved, then with any luck just reinstalling wine/nvidia-glx-ia32 etc will just work |
| 13:10.24 | mlankhorst | i have wine from source |
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| 13:11.22 | abrotman | anddam: which programs? |
| 13:12.08 | man_in_shack | ok, so i don't know :D |
| 13:12.09 | mlankhorst | i haven't figured out how ia32-apt-get installs libraries yet |
| 13:12.34 | sander_ | How do I set the language to use on the command line? |
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| 13:13.17 | poisonbit | sander_, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:13.19 | mlankhorst | nm got something |
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| 13:14.22 | mlankhorst | ia32-apt-get install ia32-libasound2 :) |
| 13:14.39 | man_in_shack | that's damn awful |
| 13:14.58 | mlankhorst | i didn't write it |
| 13:15.05 | sander_ | poisonbit, Ok.. I choosed en_US ..but the language is still nb_NO |
| 13:15.07 | man_in_shack | blames mlankhorst |
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| 13:15.37 | mlankhorst | blames man_in_shack for breaking ia32-aptget in first place |
| 13:15.39 | sander_ | poisonbit, I just had to log out and in again. |
| 13:15.59 | poisonbit | sure, or open a new terminal |
| 13:16.27 | Gratz474 | scream_, so its root -> then .com > whatis sdf.com nameservers returns a nameserver ip > then nameserver ip returns the final ip of your site etc ? |
| 13:16.35 | Gratz474 | is that correct? |
| 13:16.45 | scream_ | Gratz474, yes |
| 13:16.49 | sander_ | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Error occurred while processing unzip (NewVersion2), E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 13:17.01 | sander_ | ^^ I get that error when doing apt-get update |
| 13:17.14 | mlankhorst | make more room |
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| 13:17.54 | sander_ | df -h gives: http://pastebin.ca/1486880 |
| 13:18.05 | sander_ | There is no problem with space |
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| 13:20.29 | abrotman | !tell sander_ about mmap |
| 13:20.29 | sander_ | I had to add 'APT::Cache-Limit "10000000";' into /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 13:20.40 | abrotman | sander_: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:20.58 | mlankhorst | !tell |
| 13:21.11 | aaron | !mmap |
| 13:21.11 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | the bot already told him |
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| 13:22.19 | slk | if i use mc from inside screen and putty lines wont draw correctly |
| 13:22.21 | sander_ | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1486885 |
| 13:22.33 | Gratz474 | scream_, someone is saying i am wrong |
| 13:22.41 | Gratz474 | your saying i am right hehe what is it |
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| 13:23.12 | abrotman | sander_: see what the bot told you |
| 13:23.17 | scream_ | Gratz474, i suggest you read the wikipedia on this topic :) |
| 13:23.30 | sander_ | abrotman, yeah.. I figured it out myself.. works now. |
| 13:23.45 | Gratz474 | scream_, i did |
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| 13:24.11 | scream_ | Gratz474, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:An_example_of_theoretical_DNS_recursion.svg |
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| 13:24.32 | Gratz474 | root -> .com -> thenameserver who tells the nameserver -> end nameserver who tells ip -> hello ip |
| 13:24.37 | Gratz474 | scream_, isn't this right? |
| 13:24.57 | Roobarb-Work | . -> com. -> example.com. |
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| 13:26.09 | scream_ | Gratz474, right. Roobarb-Work showed it in a much more denser form :) |
| 13:26.40 | abrotman | there is a #dns |
| 13:26.43 | Gratz474 | there is still a step between .com and example.com right? the delegation |
| 13:26.46 | abrotman | and i said the same thing last night |
| 13:26.52 | Gratz474 | abrotman, only if the guy in there was not being a jerk :P |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | Gratz474: only one guy? |
| 13:27.11 | Gratz474 | 50 person channel |
| 13:27.13 | Gratz474 | zzZZZZz |
| 13:27.14 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=how+does+dns+work&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1&fp=9H_fFVtkJ-U |
| 13:27.47 | edoreld | weird, that page redirects me to google.de.... |
| 13:28.04 | scream_ | Gratz474, the delegation is just a pretty name for one NS record in .com's DNSes. |
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| 13:29.07 | Gratz474 | scream_, http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-server.html why do i add ns's there when i already added them in godaddy ? |
| 13:29.14 | man_in_shack | bleh |
| 13:29.15 | Gratz474 | scroll down a little to that partt? |
| 13:29.21 | Gratz474 | delegations |
| 13:29.30 | man_in_shack | is there a way to get make-kpkg to not overwrite the control file? |
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| 13:30.37 | scream_ | Gratz474, you can for example delegate some.example.com from your example.com domain to a different DNS server. |
| 13:31.03 | Gratz474 | ah |
| 13:31.13 | Gratz474 | but i have to add taht right? |
| 13:31.20 | Gratz474 | what kind of record is that called scream_ ? |
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| 13:31.33 | scream_ | Gratz474, NS |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | Gratz474: really, please ask #dns |
| 13:31.47 | Gratz474 | i think i got it now anyways abrotman hehehe |
| 13:31.48 | scream_ | yeah, we are getting offtopic |
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| 13:31.57 | Gratz474 | tinydns just does not give names for the records |
| 13:31.59 | abrotman | so either go to #debian-offtopic or #dns |
| 13:32.00 | h0nk | Hi, how would I report bugs agains backports.org packages? |
| 13:32.03 | abrotman | thanks! |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | h0nk: i'm not sure you can .. maybe contact the maintainer |
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| 13:33.02 | abrotman | h0nk: though .. have you checked the BTS? if there is/was a bug, it should be against the original source also |
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| 13:33.51 | h0nk | I have people exploiting a roundcube issue, but that seems fixed in newer version while the bpo version is still affected |
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| 13:34.49 | abrotman | h0nk: which version is that? |
| 13:34.55 | h0nk | stone age |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | thanks ... |
| 13:35.07 | h0nk | 0.1 something |
| 13:35.13 | abrotman | judd: versions roundcubemail |
| 13:35.14 | judd | abrotman: roundcubemail -- |
| 13:35.29 | abrotman | bah ... |
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| 13:35.49 | mactimes | Hello everyone. |
| 13:35.51 | sander_ | Is aptitude save-upgrade supposted to end like this?: The following packages have unmet dependencies: ghostscript: Conflicts: gs-esp (< 8.62) but 8.15.3.dfsg.1-1etch1 is installed and it is kept back. |
| 13:36.16 | abrotman | judd: versions roundcube |
| 13:36.17 | judd | abrotman: roundcube -- sid: 0.1.1-8 etch-backports: 0.1.1-10~bpo40+2 sid: 0.1.1-10 experimental: 0.2~alpha-4 squeeze: 0.2.1-2 sid: 0.2.2-1 |
| 13:36.26 | abrotman | h0nk: oh .. you're using the etch-backport ? |
| 13:36.50 | abrotman | h0nk: i don't think a newer version will be going into the etch-backports |
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| 13:37.12 | h0nk | right |
| 13:37.15 | h0nk | I know |
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| 13:37.40 | mactimes | I'm facing issues with openssh-server sessions hanging. No logs found. Not all commands hanging. Could someone please try and help? |
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| 13:38.12 | sander_ | i'm trying to upgrade from etch to lenny with aptitude safe-upgrade.. wondring if I should do aptitude full-upgrade now. |
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| 13:38.26 | abrotman | h0nk: i'm aware of the vuln |
| 13:38.30 | jpinx | sander_: follow the instructions ;) |
| 13:38.36 | h0nk | abrotman: since it seems to be some serious issue, it should maybe still be backported or roundcube dropped from backports-etch |
| 13:38.47 | ajavid | Good morning people! |
| 13:39.10 | mactimes | sander_, Can you take a couple of days to make a clean install of the new version? |
| 13:39.12 | jpinx | puts his helmet on ;) |
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| 13:39.42 | craigevil | sander_: do /msg dpkg etch->lenny and follow the instructions :) |
| 13:39.49 | jpinx | sander_: you're playing a blinder dude - keep it up |
| 13:39.55 | mactimes | sander_, If you do, I suggest you do that. |
| 13:40.23 | ajavid | I build the latest desmume on stable, it works beautifully, apart from when I 'load save state' after saving. It ends with a segfault. Sucks. |
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| 13:40.38 | sander_ | Ok.. I'll just follow the instructions |
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| 13:40.39 | Hanibana | hi all |
| 13:40.42 | ajavid | went through the trouble, but hey at least everything else works |
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| 13:40.59 | Hanibana | how can I find out the creation date of a deb package? |
| 13:41.03 | ajavid | does anyone here using desmume 0.9.2-1 |
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| 13:41.11 | Hanibana | is there such info? |
| 13:41.15 | ajavid | judd versions desmume |
| 13:41.16 | judd | ajavid: desmume -- lenny: 0.8-2 sid: 0.9.2-1-1 squeeze: 0.9.2-1-1 |
| 13:41.37 | abrotman | h0nk: 1) you could probably just get the packages from sid for your install 2) try the 'feedback' link on the front page of backports.org |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | h0nk: 3) contact the maintainer and let him know |
| 13:42.09 | h0nk | I did 3) and 1) |
| 13:42.18 | mischief | vlc 1.0 is out! |
| 13:42.20 | ajavid | I'm not sure if to report this bug and if so, how |
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| 13:42.34 | h0nk | anyway, nasty |
| 13:42.38 | Hanibana | any idea... |
| 13:42.41 | Hanibana | ? |
| 13:42.42 | abrotman | h0nk: yeah, but it's been known for *ages* |
| 13:42.42 | ajavid | I mean... I put it on stable as a backport, but its the version from sid |
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| 13:42.55 | abrotman | Hanibana: maybe get the source package and look at the contents? |
| 13:42.58 | ajavid | but its not officially backported |
| 13:43.05 | h0nk | and roundcube is shiny, every single customer I have wants it |
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| 13:43.24 | ajavid | can anyone on sid confirm this for me? I can reproduce on stable, and I'm not available at sid |
| 13:43.33 | abrotman | h0nk: yeah .. my bosses like it so far .. though it's missing a few things (i wish there were an Expand All for the folders) |
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| 13:44.27 | h0nk | what other serious options are there? squirrelmail? not exactly "shiny" ... |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | h0nk: dimp (horde project) |
| 13:45.04 | ajavid | mischief, whats hot? |
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| 13:45.19 | mischief | ajavid, what? :o |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | h0nk: though i haven't used it in awhile .. (we do still have horde/imp going) |
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| 13:45.57 | h0nk | oh yeah, dimp has AJAX==shiny ;) |
| 13:46.00 | anddam | abrotman: sorry was AFK |
| 13:46.18 | h0nk | I should them all just make use mutt |
| 13:46.32 | anddam | abrotman: Alliance is a program I can't see in repo but I can see a couple bugs filed for |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | anddam: where? |
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| 13:47.23 | abrotman | h0nk: i hadn't tried dimp in probably two-three years .. so it's probably quite a bit farther along now |
| 13:47.39 | h0nk | its not in the main repos anyway |
| 13:47.44 | h0nk | squirrelmail for now! |
| 13:47.54 | abrotman | nah, but i don't recall it being hard to setup either |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | oh well |
| 13:48.23 | sylar | say, does any tools let me flip the removable bit of a flash drive? |
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| 13:48.44 | anddam | abrotman: #140103 #308116 #446510 |
| 13:48.49 | Hanibana | abrotman: thank u :) . I used the "dpkg --contents" --> the file dates ; ) |
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| 13:49.52 | ajavid | mischief, you said vlc 1.0 is out. Whats hot about it? |
| 13:50.04 | ajavid | mischief, figured you were pretty damn excited. |
| 13:50.12 | ajavid | mischief, ! |
| 13:50.39 | mischief | ajavid, i am. :D |
| 13:51.02 | xororand | How can I get a list of all installed packages that were not automatically installed, without being able to run dpkg? Does anyone have a script that extracts this information from /var/lib/dpkg? |
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| 13:51.18 | mischief | xororand, you can do it with aptitude. :x |
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| 13:51.24 | ajavid | :) |
| 13:51.26 | xororand | mischief: i can't run anything on this system |
| 13:51.26 | edoreld | VLC 1.0 -> http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/NEWS |
| 13:51.36 | edoreld | VLC 1.0 -> http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/NEWS |
| 13:51.44 | mischief | xororand, that is....unfortunate. :\ |
| 13:51.54 | xororand | mischief: it's the filesystem of an old debian installation that's incompatible with the new system's architecture |
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| 13:53.24 | gps23 | hi |
| 13:53.30 | mrtn123 | is it possible to use badblocks on a mounted hdd |
| 13:53.32 | mrtn123 | ? |
| 13:53.42 | gps23 | is there some what to convert rm files to avi? |
| 13:53.55 | valan | gps23 maybe with mencoder |
| 13:53.56 | xororand | gps23: mplayer / mencoder |
| 13:53.57 | gps23 | real player isn't working on my sys |
| 13:54.22 | gps23 | xororand, valan thanks i will search |
| 13:54.32 | valan | although if mencoder can convert it, than mplayer can play it |
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| 13:56.02 | gps23 | valan, got it |
| 13:56.25 | mactimes | mrtn123, man badblocks, option -f can clarify your doubt. |
| 13:56.28 | xororand | gps23: in general, mencoder can convert anything that mplayer plays |
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| 13:57.46 | Brasidas | hello all |
| 13:58.06 | Brasidas | anyone has experience with BCM5709 ? |
| 13:58.26 | Brasidas | (Broadcom NetXtremeII 1GB) |
| 13:58.49 | Gratz474 | any of you guys know dns well? |
| 13:58.55 | edoreld | Gratz474: #dns |
| 13:59.10 | Gratz474 | they are so un helpful its not even funnyy |
| 13:59.22 | edoreld | I was there yesterday, and they were incredibly helpful to me |
| 13:59.37 | Gratz474 | not to me |
| 13:59.38 | twoface | Brasidas: define 'experience' :) |
| 13:59.42 | Gratz474 | only 1 person though |
| 13:59.51 | edoreld | Gratz474: you should try there anyways |
| 13:59.55 | edoreld | Gratz474: they are the experts |
| 14:00.11 | Brasidas | twoface: can't install it in an IBM x3850 M2 |
| 14:00.17 | Gratz474 | i pretty much got it now just got one small question thats all |
| 14:00.27 | jpinx | Gratz474: #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:02.21 | Brasidas | twoface: most ISOs I used caused kernel panic during install (etch installed ok) but the bnx2 module appears to be dead (?) |
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| 14:02.44 | saTTY | hey guys |
| 14:02.51 | Brasidas | hello |
| 14:03.06 | saTTY | :) Brasidas |
| 14:03.09 | gps23 | valan, xororand i got few links on the internet, but none is working |
| 14:03.27 | gps23 | following this : http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2005-June/053992.html |
| 14:03.41 | saTTY | i have problem with my ethernet |
| 14:03.49 | saTTY | which is davicom |
| 14:04.15 | Brasidas | I also have a problem... (different brand, but still a problem) |
| 14:04.29 | Brasidas | what is the issue? |
| 14:04.31 | saTTY | i have to restart the interface every time i want |
| 14:04.46 | saTTY | when i want to connect the DSL |
| 14:05.08 | Brasidas | restart it? you mean ifconfig eth0 down .... up? |
| 14:05.20 | saTTY | Brasidas, yeah |
| 14:05.53 | Brasidas | you connect to the dsl router via etrhernet, right? |
| 14:06.01 | Brasidas | *ethernet |
| 14:06.05 | saTTY | yeah |
| 14:06.23 | Brasidas | and why you must 'restart' it? dhco issues? |
| 14:06.25 | anddam | mns, valan: sorry was AFK, I don't even know the whole package lists, I'm getting the knoppix iso just now |
| 14:06.30 | Brasidas | *dhcp |
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| 14:07.00 | saTTY | means ?? |
| 14:07.14 | anddam | valan: I see the point in building one's own package, I never built a deb tho' or actually I built a backport and iirc it was automatic for the most parte |
| 14:07.16 | anddam | part* |
| 14:07.46 | twoface | Brasidas: no problem here |
| 14:08.00 | mns | anddam: you should be able to figure out the repos they use in knoppix and take it from there. |
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| 14:08.01 | Brasidas | it shouldn't be dhcp... have you tried another router? cant you ping the router's internal ip (at the other side of the eth0)? |
| 14:08.07 | Brasidas | twoface: no problem? |
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| 14:08.26 | anddam | mns: I'm not sure how they build a knoppix live, does it use a repo at all? |
| 14:08.28 | twoface | Brasidas: with the NetXtreme II, no |
| 14:08.57 | anddam | mns: actually this should have been my question on first place, does a knopppix need debs ? |
| 14:09.09 | Brasidas | well my last chance is to build another kernel and try again... thanks twoface |
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| 14:10.01 | mns | anddam: knoppix is debian based. so it must be using debs somewhere. once you boot off it, check out the /etc/apt/sources.list. One of the things you can do with Knoppix is to install from the LiveCD to the hard drive. |
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| 14:10.45 | anddam | mns: but knoppix will install a working system, that is it doesn't contain the packages, does it? |
| 14:10.52 | anddam | I think I'll go with manual build |
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| 14:11.17 | Brasidas | twoface: (and anyone else) if a module has problems, or whatever... where does it output the error messages (assuming it outputs something) /var/log/messages? elsewhere? |
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| 14:11.55 | saTTY | yeah ! i m able to ping and coonect but not able to surf untill i restart the interface ; Brasidas |
| 14:12.13 | mns | anddam: I think it does so using debs. plus it would have to configure /etc/apt/sources.list as part of the "working system". |
| 14:12.28 | anddam | mns: I'll have a look at the live system |
| 14:12.50 | Brasidas | saTTY: I assume the router is always on and connected |
| 14:13.20 | Brasidas | saTTY: and the problems is when you boot your machine |
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| 14:13.48 | saTTY | then how to find the problem ; and resolve it ? |
| 14:14.06 | Brasidas | saTTY: I asked a question actually :) |
| 14:14.21 | Brasidas | saTTY: is the router always on? |
| 14:14.21 | saTTY | few ppl said debian is very stable ; but in my case X crases so many times |
| 14:14.31 | saTTY | no |
| 14:15.29 | Brasidas | saTTY: keep the router on, or try a different router to test... Debian is pretty stable compared with other debian-based bleeding edge distros |
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| 14:16.34 | saTTY | Brasidas, but it working perfectly on fedora without restarting the interface |
| 14:16.44 | Brasidas | saTTY: hmmmm |
| 14:16.49 | Aspin | anyone know where I can get some cool/unusual powered by debian/linux images for my sites? |
| 14:17.06 | Brasidas | saTTY: you use DHCP or you have assigned a static ip? |
| 14:17.22 | saTTY | static IP |
| 14:17.44 | Brasidas | stuck.... |
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| 14:18.38 | anddam | bye |
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| 14:18.48 | saTTY | Aspin, google image search :p |
| 14:19.12 | saTTY | Brasidas, any pointer to problem ; |
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| 14:19.59 | edoreld | is there any way to make a crontab entry delete itself after it's been executed? |
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| 14:20.14 | edoreld | like -> @reboot useradd user <- then delete this entry from crontab |
| 14:20.33 | Brasidas | saTTY: it shouldn't be an interface problem... without restarting the eth0, what does it say about eth0? |
| 14:20.36 | Aspin | saTTY: tried that, just the usual ones, I am looking for something different, thanks |
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| 14:21.18 | Brasidas | edoreld: try setting a script to run... and then delete the script... |
| 14:21.36 | saTTY | Brasidas, its ok , but not let me browse the wab |
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| 14:22.04 | edoreld | Brasidas: but the entry will still be on crontab...? |
| 14:22.09 | saTTY | Aspin, design your self ;) |
| 14:22.12 | Brasidas | saTTY, so the interface appears to be configured correcty but you can't browse |
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| 14:22.21 | saTTY | yeah ! |
| 14:22.37 | edoreld | Brasidas: but i guess it's possible I could run a script that does something, then deletes the entry from crontab and then deletes itself |
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| 14:22.50 | edoreld | wicked! |
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| 14:23.15 | Brasidas | edoreld, yes it is, if I remember well crontab files are simple text files... |
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| 14:23.39 | Brasidas | edoreld: don't try useradd... :) |
| 14:23.59 | Aspin | saTTY: now theres an idea :) |
| 14:24.10 | saTTY | :) |
| 14:24.15 | Aspin | things is I want a good one |
| 14:24.27 | saTTY | Brasidas, will be back in a moment ; |
| 14:24.29 | edoreld | Brasidas: why not useradd? |
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| 14:25.24 | Brasidas | edoreld: if you use useradd it will prompt you for password (if I remember well), and it's also dangerous, and it's also a root command... |
| 14:25.39 | edoreld | I can input the password in crypt format |
| 14:25.49 | edoreld | ah |
| 14:25.52 | edoreld | but i need the root password. |
| 14:25.56 | edoreld | damn |
| 14:25.56 | Brasidas | edoreld: it sounds like you mean to do harm... |
| 14:26.06 | edoreld | not really, I just want to add an user |
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| 14:26.11 | edoreld | so someone can login |
| 14:26.12 | edoreld | :) |
| 14:26.17 | edoreld | but automayically |
| 14:26.20 | edoreld | automatically |
| 14:26.31 | Brasidas | ...at the next reboot? |
| 14:26.41 | edoreld | do you know FAI? |
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| 14:26.55 | Brasidas | no... what is it? |
| 14:27.19 | edoreld | It's a program to install a Debian operating system automatically |
| 14:27.27 | iluminator101 | I have question listed is my paste bin http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d7b5abda9 , on the pastebin why is there bunch of samething repeating can someone tell me whats going on in regards to my pastebin |
| 14:27.31 | edoreld | The problem is, there's no easy way to add user accounts on the installation |
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| 14:27.59 | edoreld | so instead of using something like cfengine or expect, which seems overly complicated to me....I'm trying to find an easier (read noobish) solution :) |
| 14:28.06 | Brasidas | oh... ok now I understand... I thought you had access to a root acount and wanted to do something... bad |
| 14:28.16 | edoreld | nono, not at all O_o |
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| 14:28.55 | edoreld | so my idea was, install debian, before reboot add something to crontab, and since you have to reboot anyway, add user on next boot |
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| 14:29.21 | edoreld | but now u tell me i need root password so my dreams have been shattered ^_^ |
| 14:29.23 | Brasidas | edoreld: crontabs aren't simple text files? |
| 14:29.41 | edoreld | yes i know how to add entries & delete entries from crontab |
| 14:29.53 | Brasidas | currently at work (only w!nd0w$ here) |
| 14:29.55 | edoreld | the problem is how to tell the system to add a user without me requiring to write anything |
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| 14:30.07 | edoreld | no worries ^_^ |
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| 14:30.43 | helo | is there a way to dump the contents of my unused memory to a file? i closed a program with some important text in it (which i could easily grep for) |
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| 14:31.48 | Brasidas | edoreld: I mean set the crontab for root to make useradd.... then "mv default.root.crontab.file first.reboot.crontab.file" I don't mean to use the crontab -e command |
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| 14:32.02 | iluminator101 | whats ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP)? |
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| 14:33.06 | edoreld | Brasidas: aah if it's root crontab it will execute automatically with enough privileges! |
| 14:33.15 | edoreld | I think (ºoº)! |
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| 14:33.56 | Brasidas | edoreld: the pont is not to use "crontab -e" command... find a way to replace the changed file with the default empty one after the first reboot |
| 14:34.29 | edoreld | Brasidas: that's not the issue, I already know how to modify modify crontab without having to write stuff |
| 14:34.30 | edoreld | :) |
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| 14:35.12 | Brasidas | so? your problem is to do what? you can use useradd in crontab... and u can replace the crontab file... |
| 14:35.45 | iluminator101 | How do i change ADDRCONF? |
| 14:35.51 | Brasidas | you don't have to delete the entry... replace the whole crontab edoreld |
| 14:36.05 | edoreld | ah yes :) |
| 14:36.11 | edoreld | that's what I'm gonna do ^_^ |
| 14:36.43 | Brasidas | in a fresh system crontab has only the top line... second minutes days years centuries.... |
| 14:37.22 | iluminator101 | is icecat in testing? |
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| 14:41.20 | craigevil | iluminator101: no |
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| 14:44.20 | Brasidas | anyone experienced problems with Broadcom BCM5709? or I am the only one (and obviously I'm the stupid one...)? |
| 14:44.53 | Brasidas | and btw what's is the use of pci.ids? |
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| 14:45.07 | Brasidas | i mean, is it important for modules? |
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| 14:45.29 | tenaglia | hi all |
| 14:45.34 | Brasidas | hi |
| 14:45.39 | bronze | Hay all - is there an installation replication utility for debian? something like kickstart? |
| 14:45.43 | bronze | *hey |
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| 14:46.24 | margiolas | Brasidas: gia , what is your problem exactly? |
| 14:46.31 | bronze | sheesh, sometimes I cant believe the homonyms I slip in on myself. :) |
| 14:46.46 | Brasidas | ellinas? margiolas? |
| 14:46.56 | margiolas | Brasidas: yeap |
| 14:47.13 | tenaglia | I'm on sid/amd64. Do you know which is the correct apt-get, ia32-apt-get, aptitude etc configuration to restart using package management ? |
| 14:47.33 | Brasidas | margiolas, peirazei na grafo greeklish edo i na milao mono agglika? |
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| 14:47.53 | margiolas | better english or come on #debian.gr |
| 14:47.58 | tenaglia | apt-get dist-upgrade had a problem, and now I have apt-get.real and ia32-apt-get. Same for aptitude. |
| 14:48.01 | jake[work] | i locked out my root account - went through the recommended procedure to reset. said pwd change succesful - rebooted. still can't login. |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | !tell jake[work] about ifrp |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | that process ? |
| 14:48.39 | Brasidas | i joined there |
| 14:48.45 | jake[work] | that one ^^ |
| 14:50.14 | jake[work] | any other ideas? |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | try it again .. but really do it this time? |
| 14:50.44 | jake[work] | :) i tried it twice |
| 14:51.11 | jake[work] | no errors |
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| 14:51.36 | jpinx | jake[work]: is the normal user still locked out? |
| 14:51.42 | jake[work] | yep |
| 14:52.26 | jpinx | if abrotman can't fix it - no-one can ;) |
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| 14:53.07 | jpinx | jake[work]: confirm it's a remote box and you are not trying to log in remotely as root? |
| 14:53.39 | jake[work] | i am trying to login as root and it is remote. but i never disabled root access |
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| 14:53.51 | jake[work] | is there an update that disables it? |
| 14:53.59 | jpinx | quite possibly |
| 14:54.10 | wreiner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.21 | jake[work] | went from woody to lenny |
| 14:54.21 | jpinx | ask experts, but more importantly - never do remote logins as root |
| 14:54.43 | jpinx | jake[work]: what stage did you get to? |
| 14:54.51 | jake[work] | all the way through |
| 14:54.54 | jake[work] | no errors |
| 14:55.16 | jpinx | ok - so you have a lennt default box now? |
| 14:55.21 | jpinx | *lenny |
| 14:55.25 | jake[work] | i should |
| 14:55.36 | jpinx | what was all that cruft about pam? |
| 14:55.45 | jake[work] | i copied the default files from an install i did locally |
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| 14:56.28 | jake[work] | /etc/pam.d/common-password /etc/pam.d/common-auth /etc/pam.d/common-account |
| 14:56.34 | jpinx | jake[work]: you didn't do aptitude on the remote box? |
| 14:56.42 | jake[work] | no |
| 14:57.33 | jpinx | jake[work]: sounds like your pam has done something bad |
| 14:57.48 | jake[work] | right - that's why i copied back to default configs |
| 14:58.04 | jake[work] | before that was getting the permission denied when trying to chg the pwd |
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| 14:58.37 | jpinx | remote logins as root are so very dangerous |
| 14:58.44 | iluminator101 | I need help getting my wifi going. its not working |
| 14:58.44 | jake[work] | yeah - it's not on the net |
| 14:59.10 | jake[work] | but part of this was to get the users working so i could login via regular users |
| 14:59.28 | jpinx | jake[work]: how are you getting to it if it's nt on the net? |
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| 14:59.33 | jake[work] | vpn |
| 14:59.35 | iluminator101 | My wifi is working but wicd is not picking it up |
| 15:00.06 | iluminator101 | Also I dont have encryption supplants how do i add that |
| 15:00.20 | iluminator101 | wep/wpa/wpa2 |
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| 15:00.39 | jpinx | jake[work]: ok - I'll have to leave you in expert hands like abrotman |
| 15:00.49 | jake[work] | this whole thing failed while i was trying to secure it. worked for years loging in as root on woody |
| 15:00.53 | jpinx | jake[work]: but explain the "whole" situation ;) |
| 15:01.48 | dimedo | hi, are there some headers or something in lvm which would ease recovering my system on a failure if i had them backupped separately? |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 15:03.30 | jpinx | abrotman: jake[work] is upgraded to lenny, did some pam stuff and lost root. He's trying to loging as root remotely. All yours;) |
| 15:03.51 | jpinx | goes for coffee |
| 15:04.18 | iluminator101 | how do i change addrconf? |
| 15:04.46 | jake[work] | sure - i attempted to upgrade a box from woody to lenny and install pam_cracklib and set the configs. no errors when configuring. But I cannot login as root now where I was able to do that before. I tried going through the recommended procedure to reset the password. said it update the password but i still can't login. i tried putting back the original pam configs but still can't login. |
| 15:05.14 | jake[work] | the box is remote access through a vpn |
| 15:06.29 | Gratz474 | how can i create a user, i dont want to add a pass or nothing jsut create the user |
| 15:06.37 | jake[work] | useradd |
| 15:06.54 | jake[work] | (or addruser) :) one doesn't ask |
| 15:07.28 | JyZyXEL | how did you reinstall packages so that it replaces any changed or removed files? |
| 15:07.59 | Gratz474 | which one just allows me to add user without passwrod etc? |
| 15:08.27 | jake[work] | pretty sure it's useradd |
| 15:08.41 | jake[work] | yep - http://www.computerhope.com/unix/useradd.htm |
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| 15:09.40 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 15:09.58 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need help in the best way to use or aptoncd, or apt-move to port all my packages in a note to another |
| 15:10.02 | Aragorn_Guardian | both are giving me errors when installing all my (dozens of) packages |
| 15:12.04 | jake[work] | Gratz474: apt-get --purge remove packagename |
| 15:12.09 | jake[work] | then reinstall |
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| 15:12.31 | samuelvogel | lder which contains two files per day. how would I use find to give me all files, but one for each week? Or are there other tools which are better suited for this? |
| 15:12.52 | jake[work] | oops thatlast one was to JyZyXEL: |
| 15:13.11 | jake[work] | that will replace your confiigs too |
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| 15:14.26 | jake[work] | abrotman: any ideas? |
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| 15:16.24 | jpinx | JyZyXEL: use aptitude purge and then aptitude install - better than apt-get |
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| 15:23.34 | Gratz474 | what does ln do ? |
| 15:23.37 | Gratz474 | in linux? |
| 15:23.46 | epsilon | link |
| 15:24.18 | timidboy | google it |
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| 15:54.46 | Griffith | hello, I'm trying to create a reiserfs filesystem on an external usb-pluged Sata Disk, i've already create the partition (type Linux(83)) with cfdisk, but when i try : mkfs.reiserfs /dev/sda1 <== command not found, do I miss some packages ? |
| 15:55.28 | woshty | Griffith: apparently, and why would u use reiserfs? |
| 15:55.49 | jpinx | Griffith: try as root? |
| 15:56.03 | \amethyst | Griffith: package reiserfsprogs |
| 15:56.10 | Griffith | woshty because it support better the small files ? |
| 15:56.20 | valan | mkreiserfs i thought the command was |
| 15:56.21 | Griffith | jpinx : yep with root ^^ |
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| 15:56.56 | woshty | Griffith: see \amethyst .. or reiser4progs |
| 15:57.02 | \amethyst | valan: they're hardlinks to the same binary |
| 15:57.03 | jpinx | Griffith: man mkfs man mkreiserfs |
| 15:57.10 | Griffith | \amethyst +1 ^^ |
| 15:57.17 | Griffith | it seems that it works now :) |
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| 15:58.19 | valan | so i see |
| 15:58.21 | Griffith | ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/sda1. <== Thx |
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| 15:59.28 | Gratz474 | how can i see all open portts on this system? |
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| 15:59.47 | lazynes | netstat ? |
| 15:59.55 | lazynes | lsof |grep LIST |
| 16:00.07 | valan | nmap also |
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| 16:02.16 | ward- | if i want to install debian next to a winXP, will XP automatically be added to grub? |
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| 16:02.35 | ward- | i never had to isntall next to xp before so i wanna be sure |
| 16:02.36 | g00se | Gratz474: You didn't like what i gave you earlier .. ;-) |
| 16:02.38 | bkraptor | is there a .deb for vmware server? |
| 16:03.27 | valan | bkraptor try going to the vmware web site and see if they got one for download |
| 16:03.37 | bkraptor | valan: they don't |
| 16:03.50 | bkraptor | valan: was hoping one of the debian devs would build a deb for it |
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| 16:04.14 | ward- | good luck lol |
| 16:04.20 | valan | if you don't see one on the web site, and don't see one in debian repos, you might be out of luck |
| 16:04.23 | g00se | bkraptor: Is it free software? |
| 16:04.43 | ward- | g00se of course not |
| 16:04.44 | bkraptor | g00se: it's free to use, I don't think it's open source |
| 16:05.00 | ward- | he means open source |
| 16:05.05 | valan | no it's not free |
| 16:05.11 | bkraptor | but VirtualBox is also not open-source (the non-free version) but has deb packages |
| 16:05.11 | g00se | bkraptor: That would be the difficulty then |
| 16:05.12 | valan | it's proprietary |
| 16:05.38 | bkraptor | valan: it's free, it's not open source |
| 16:05.40 | ward- | bkraptor thats only the USB part thats not open |
| 16:05.44 | bkraptor | free != open source |
| 16:05.49 | \amethyst | bkraptor: 'free software' != $0 |
| 16:06.01 | valan | wrong free bkraptor ;) |
| 16:06.16 | valan | this is the world of the real free, not the fake free! |
| 16:06.17 | ward- | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html |
| 16:06.21 | \amethyst | bkraptor: in the case of virtualbox, Sun makes the (non-OSE) packages themselves |
| 16:06.28 | bkraptor | anything that doesn't cost something is free |
| 16:06.29 | g00se | For me free == open source ;-) |
| 16:06.42 | valan | bkraptor that would be fake free |
| 16:06.51 | bkraptor | no, it's fully free. |
| 16:06.58 | bkraptor | as long as they don't ask for money it's free |
| 16:06.58 | valan | it's actually not fully free |
| 16:07.04 | \amethyst | bkraptor: if there are no vmware .debs, probably the vmware folks haven't seen a reason to make them |
| 16:07.07 | stew | bkraptor: in this channel we use the dfsg to define free |
| 16:07.36 | valan | if you're not free to use the software however you please, it's not free |
| 16:07.36 | stew | bkraptor: which would mean free as in willy, not free as in ice cream |
| 16:07.37 | \amethyst | bkraptor: that's not what 'free software' means... it means basically the same thing as open-source, but with a different ideologoy |
| 16:07.44 | stew | bkraptor: (/msg dpkg dfsg) |
| 16:07.44 | \amethyst | s/ideologoy/ideology/ |
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| 16:08.05 | ward- | the link i gave has this title: "The Free Software Definition" |
| 16:08.35 | bkraptor | imo anything that doesn't cost is free. anything (open source etc) else is more than free |
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| 16:09.03 | cahoot | is there anything without cost? |
| 16:09.04 | ward- | just use "free to use" if you mean free beer |
| 16:09.09 | valan | like i said, there's different kinds of free |
| 16:09.11 | stew | bkraptor: ok, but please use the DFSG to define free in this channel in order to avoid confusion |
| 16:09.11 | \amethyst | or "gratis" |
| 16:09.19 | bkraptor | ok stew |
| 16:09.27 | g00se | Exactly |
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| 16:09.48 | ward- | free to use is good, but its nowhere near as good as free |
| 16:10.19 | valan | even free to use isn't so special though, since you're not free to use it however you might want or need to |
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| 16:10.26 | ward- | so does XP get added to grub automagically on installation? |
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| 16:10.37 | valan | iirc it does ward- |
| 16:10.42 | valan | if not, it's easy to add |
| 16:11.06 | ward- | i dont even remember the last time i had to add something manually to grub :p |
| 16:11.11 | valan | if not, there's probably a section in menu.lst for windows that's commented out, and you just need to uncomment it |
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| 16:11.14 | ward- | but i guess i could return :) |
| 16:11.17 | ward- | should it happen |
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| 16:11.47 | valan | i often like to use lilo |
| 16:12.09 | ward- | im not familiar with it so its probably best i stick with grub |
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| 16:12.14 | valan | guess it's just an old habit that comes back every now and again |
| 16:12.48 | jpinx | you can get treatment fro that valan |
| 16:12.54 | ward- | stable has full support for xen right? |
| 16:13.02 | valan | can i? this sounds interesting |
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| 16:13.12 | valan | lilo does have it's advantages though |
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| 16:13.18 | valan | i just can't remember what they are right now heh |
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| 16:13.47 | ward- | as long as it works... |
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| 16:15.17 | Stathol | Argh. I swear, nothing I do on this server ever seem to replenish entropy worth a damn. |
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| 16:15.50 | valan | have you tried kicking it? |
| 16:15.58 | ward- | stable has full support for xen right? |
| 16:16.00 | Stathol | I'm up for suggestions :/ |
| 16:16.24 | Stathol | It's taking this thing forever and a day just to generate one 1024-bit RSA key |
| 16:16.50 | valan | move the mouse! |
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| 16:17.16 | Stathol | valan: Would that I could. This is a SSH session. |
| 16:18.02 | valan | have you tried opening another ssh session and running a bunch of random commands? |
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| 16:18.15 | valan | dunno if it'll get entropy that way but it might be worth a shot |
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| 16:18.44 | Stathol | But even on my local machine, it seemed to be the same story, even as I jiggled the mouse around and spammed random keyboard gibberish into a file. :P |
| 16:19.30 | NthDegree | best way to get entropy is disk-spam and RAM-spam |
| 16:19.39 | Stathol | "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_available" showed that a few bits of entropy were just barely trickling in. I don't know what the deal is. |
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| 16:19.51 | mactimes | Stathol, Are you running openssh-server? Latest version? |
| 16:20.09 | NthDegree | dd if=/dev/urandom of=blah.tmp bs=10 count=25000 && rm -f blah.tmp |
| 16:20.34 | Stathol | mactimes: Yeah, should be. Latest for lenny, anyway. |
| 16:20.39 | NthDegree | that causes moar entropy when I make large SSH keys of 16384bit :P |
| 16:21.18 | mactimes | Stathol: Hum. 'cause I'm facing ssh issues, but for Etch. |
| 16:21.30 | Stathol | NthDegree: I'm not a big crypto guy, but wouldn't feeding entropy into /dev/random that was ultimately sourced from /dev/random kind of defeat the point? |
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| 16:22.17 | NthDegree | Stathol, no because it's generating randomness based on randomness via urandom which is written to a file somewhere causing random disk activity |
| 16:22.46 | NthDegree | Stathol, from that it creates more randomness that wouldn't have existed without the random disk activity |
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| 16:23.13 | Stathol | attempts to parse that |
| 16:23.14 | NthDegree | admittedly it's easier to make keys on a desktop than a server because the RAM and disks are used in a more random way >.> |
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| 16:23.54 | Stathol | NthDegree: Yeah, part of the problem here is probably that this server isn't really doing anything, and has way more RAM than it can possibly use right now. So most of it is just empty useless space |
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| 16:24.38 | Stathol | And I'm not sure that the temperature sensors for this hardware are supported yet, so it may not be able to gather anything from them, either. |
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| 16:24.57 | Stathol | At least...I -think- that's one of /dev/random's entropy sources. Not really sure |
| 16:25.00 | NthDegree | Stathol, updatedb might have an effect >.> |
| 16:25.11 | NthDegree | as it touches a lot of things |
| 16:25.33 | NthDegree | why not generate an SSH key on a machine with good entropy and transfer it to the server? |
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| 16:26.00 | Stathol | NthDegree: Actually, I'm generating a dnssec key for my DNS servers |
| 16:26.11 | Stathol | And these are the only *nix boxes I have up here :O |
| 16:26.12 | NthDegree | ah |
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| 16:26.35 | Stathol | Although now that you mention it, I might be able to generate it on my home machine and copy it here |
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| 16:27.40 | Kaldor | hello everybody, I have a problem with my Debian Lenny 5.0 bash isn't accepted, could you help me please ? |
| 16:28.03 | \amethyst | Kaldor: what do you mean "bash isn't accepted"? |
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| 16:30.33 | Stathol | I just dd'd 25MB from /dev/urandom to disk, and it still hasn't finished generating that key :/ |
| 16:30.42 | Stathol | Guess I'll try updatedb. This is kind of ridiculous. |
| 16:30.47 | henrik_ | I have a sound problem: When I played two movies at the same time yesterday, an error occured, which said something about an overflow. After this, the sound have been dead. I have tryed to reinstall the soundcard driver, with no luck. (creative X-fi soundblaster extreme music) |
| 16:31.07 | yurikoles | how to use tv tuner based on Conexant CX23880/1/2/3? |
| 16:31.18 | henrik_ | anyone? |
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| 16:31.56 | mabu_ | Hello everybody. I'm developing a debian package. It uses debconf. When I try to read data from the standard input, the 'read'-command does never return. I've played around with it and googled but I did not find anything. Can anyone help me please? |
| 16:32.53 | yurikoles | ctrl+z? |
| 16:33.06 | mabu_ | this stops the installation process |
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| 16:33.17 | mabu_ | ctrl+c doesn't have any effect |
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| 16:33.32 | mabu_ | sorry, ctrl-d has no effect |
| 16:33.59 | jpinx | mabu_: crtl-c |
| 16:34.14 | mabu_ | also aborts the installation |
| 16:34.43 | mabu_ | And debconf does not provide any template type for multiline text, I think |
| 16:35.06 | g00se | mabu_: Perhaps pastebin that part of the script |
| 16:35.31 | sunoano | I've checked the bug tracker for gnome-panel already but didn't find anything; my problem is, I am on sid and gnome-panel is eating 75% cpu |
| 16:35.35 | sunoano | any hints? |
| 16:36.36 | \amethyst | sunoano: you're sure it's not http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461106 |
| 16:36.39 | \amethyst | ? |
| 16:37.22 | sunoano | ah, well, yes |
| 16:37.26 | sunoano | reads |
| 16:37.45 | \amethyst | sunoano: though that one claims to have been fixed in 2.22.2 |
| 16:37.48 | \amethyst | sunoano: so it might not be |
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| 16:38.29 | Ether_Man_ | Are there any good tools around for turning debian into a powerful NAT router? Like, provide web interface, snmp, QoS and so on or do I have to configure all of them manually and individually? |
| 16:38.53 | negge | Ether_Man_: there are entire distros designed for that |
| 16:39.17 | sunoano | \amethyst: yes, that sounds like the thing I am experiencing here |
| 16:39.31 | Ether_Man_ | negge, true.. But I really like debian so :) Id rather configure it myself manually than running such a dist |
| 16:39.31 | sunoano | gnome-panel 2.26.2 |
| 16:39.46 | Ether_Man_ | negge, atleast unless I can find one that's atleast built on debian |
| 16:40.10 | negge | Ether_Man_: I think there are some, haven't read about those firewall distros in a while though so I'm not sure |
| 16:40.19 | negge | I think many are based on BSD |
| 16:40.50 | negge | but I don't think there is any all-in-one-nat-router package available for you, you'd probably have to install and configure many different packages manually |
| 16:41.11 | g00se | IpCop,Smoothwall etc |
| 16:41.17 | sunoano | \amethyst: you don't have any idea what I could do? |
| 16:41.26 | mabu_ | http://paste.debian.net/41259 |
| 16:41.28 | sunoano | the bug report doesn't show any solution |
| 16:41.44 | Ether_Man_ | g00se, as I said, I know.. Just that none of them follow the debian way which I like :) |
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| 16:42.14 | g00se | sunoano: since when? |
| 16:42.58 | sunoano | I just upgraded |
| 16:43.08 | g00se | Ether_Man: Yes i know what you mean but you'd be in for a lot of work |
| 16:43.12 | sunoano | it's an up to date sid now |
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| 16:50.20 | g00se | mabu_: What's now in file $tls_private_key_path? |
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| 16:51.12 | mabu_ | it is the path to a private key file |
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| 16:51.28 | mabu_ | e.g. /etc/keys/tls_private.pem |
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| 16:52.14 | mabu_ | and in the snipped i forgot to run read in the loop... |
| 16:52.46 | g00se | mabu_: You did indeed. That's why i asked you what's in the file ;-) |
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| 16:53.18 | g00se | mabu_: Have you looked? |
| 16:53.20 | DevNullnDull | Sorry for the long question, but i what to know how apt knows were to find the packages.gz from repo's. If the deb is point to a site then, distrubtion and component. Then that repo's directory structsure must begain with a dists? |
| 16:53.27 | abrotman | that's not long! |
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| 16:53.51 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: man sources.list i believe explains it .. but it uses the structure of what's in your sources.list |
| 16:54.01 | abrotman | (along with a few other magic bits) |
| 16:54.31 | sunoano | g00se, \amethyst: I aptitude reinstalled gnome-panel switches to the cli and issued /etc/init.d/gdm restart, logged back in and the issue is gone |
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| 16:54.44 | sunoano | no fucking idea what happend and why ... |
| 16:54.49 | mabu_ | I have a correct version in my file |
| 16:54.49 | sunoano | pffffffff |
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| 16:55.21 | abrotman | sunoano: might want to use it a bit before you say that |
| 16:55.26 | guyzmo | hi |
| 16:55.34 | mabu_ | but even perl's <STDIN> does not return when I'm trying to run a little perl script instead. |
| 16:55.42 | sunoano | abrotman: stop that man! ;-) |
| 16:55.44 | sunoano | shivers |
| 16:56.03 | g00se | mabu_: Please pastebin the *current* code if it's still not working |
| 16:56.06 | guyzmo | I want to recompile a debian package with different ./configure options, what's the good way to do it ? (I'm looking at apt-build for now) |
| 16:56.15 | abrotman | !tell guyzmo about source |
| 16:56.58 | guyzmo | !tell me about package recompile |
| 16:57.02 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: there is no structure in my file. just listing the distubtion and the compents like "main, non-free, etc.." my questtion is more on the side of the repo. if you are list a repo in your .list file that includeds a distro, and compents that map to directory that start with a ./dists? |
| 16:57.06 | Jemt | Can someone tell me how I use the -i switch with tune2fs? I don't think the 'man' is very clear on that |
| 16:57.38 | guyzmo | !tell me about debian/rules |
| 16:58.41 | guyzmo | abrotman - thanks |
| 16:59.20 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: that is the structure |
| 16:59.33 | abrotman | !tell guyzmo about selftell |
| 16:59.42 | guyzmo | and is it possible to automatically keep debian/rules when upgrading the package and rebuild it ? (if it does not lead to errors) |
| 16:59.49 | Kaldor | \amethyst sxcuse me i don't see you talk to me, it said "no file or directory of this type" |
| 17:00.05 | guyzmo | abrotman - I followed in the query :) |
| 17:00.20 | Stathol | Well, this is kind of a kick in the groin. I finally got my RSA key generated for BIND, only now I can't figure out how to use the damn thing. |
| 17:00.22 | \amethyst | Kaldor: what said that? |
| 17:00.23 | Stathol | facepalms |
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| 17:01.07 | abrotman | hehe .. \amethyst got sxcused |
| 17:01.10 | abrotman | hides |
| 17:01.10 | Kaldor | shoutcast \amethyst a streaming software |
| 17:02.06 | g00se | Jemt: What do you want to do? |
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| 17:02.35 | Jemt | g00se: Disable it. I want to rely only on mount count |
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| 17:02.42 | \amethyst | Kaldor: sorry, I don't know anything about shoutcast... but you'll get more help if you explain in detail what you were doing and the full error message (did it say what type it was looking for, for example?) |
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| 17:03.21 | exn | guys, help !!!! how can I print last lines of file from given line number(passwd) ? |
| 17:03.42 | DevNullnDull | ok, that is the first part on my question. If the sorces.list file shows distubutions and compents. then apt-get know to go to the site and look for the ./dists directory, and the following subdir for each compent? Is that correct? |
| 17:03.47 | Jemt | g00se: But I'm also not sure how to interpret this: interval-between-checks[d|m|w] - How would it look like if I wanted it to check every 20 days? Og every 3 months ? |
| 17:04.04 | Stathol | exn: You can probably do that with "tail" |
| 17:04.16 | exn | Stathol "tail" can't |
| 17:04.18 | exn | ;) |
| 17:04.23 | mabu_ | http://paste.debian.net/41260 |
| 17:04.37 | mabu_ | on my shell, it works fine |
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| 17:04.42 | DevNullnDull | because my next questions is once apt get to the ./dists/compentsubdir/ how does it know what subdir here to pull the packages.gz from? |
| 17:04.47 | Stathol | exn: Are you sure? I thought you could do "tail -n +50 to output lines starting at 50 to the end |
| 17:05.16 | mabu_ | but not when the code is executed in the postinst file |
| 17:05.20 | Stathol | Or maybe I don't understand exactly what you're wanting to output. |
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| 17:06.00 | cmyers_work | I've seen different versions of tail support different options depending on your OS |
| 17:06.06 | exn | Stathol, I know only line number where need start to print. |
| 17:06.09 | cmyers_work | very old redhats, for example, have broken tails. |
| 17:06.21 | Stathol | exn: Yeah, that's what I mean. |
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| 17:06.42 | Stathol | exn: I'm pretty sure if you do "tail -n +100 foo.txt" it will output every line starting at 100 to the end of the file |
| 17:06.52 | exn | Stathol, no |
| 17:07.05 | fxiny | exn: last line ? sed -n '$p' file . line number 10 ? -> sed -n '10p' . you want a nice range ? do some work :P |
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| 17:07.22 | g00se | Jemt: -i 20d |
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| 17:07.33 | g00se | Jemt: -i 3m |
| 17:07.34 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: what are you actually triyng to do? setup a repository? |
| 17:07.40 | Jemt | Oh, that's how it's used. Thanks |
| 17:07.44 | g00se | (afaik - i've never used it) |
| 17:07.51 | Jemt | I'd better google it then :) |
| 17:07.53 | abrotman | exn: what's wrong with tail ? |
| 17:07.59 | Stathol | exm: weird. It works for me. I just tried it with /var/log/syslog |
| 17:07.59 | exn | hmm, maybe busybox.. I'll try with coreutils |
| 17:08.07 | exn | sec |
| 17:08.12 | Stathol | Er, exn, not exm |
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| 17:08.42 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: no, just trying to understand completly. was i correct in what I was saying? |
| 17:08.44 | Kaldor | \amethyst i try to launch server but he said bash: ./sc_serv: no file or directory of this type |
| 17:09.00 | \amethyst | exn: busybox tail -n +70 seems to work for me |
| 17:09.11 | fxiny | exn: from line number 10 to the end -> sed -n '10,$p' |
| 17:09.11 | g00se | exn: if you want line 100 "tail -n +100 | head -n 1" |
| 17:09.22 | exn | O_o at debian with coreutils it works fine |
| 17:09.28 | exn | hmm |
| 17:09.37 | cmyers_work | exn, Stathol, see, that is what I was saying, busybox might have a limited implementation of tail, instead of the real deal. There are many small versions that don't support much, but the full gnu coreutils one works |
| 17:09.39 | Jemt | g00se: Seems your example was correct. Thanks :) |
| 17:09.51 | g00se | Jemt: Good |
| 17:09.55 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: still i don't understand how apt-get find which package.gz file to pull when its get to the ./dists/compentsubdir/??? |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: yes, if i followed your logic .. yes |
| 17:10.36 | exn | ok, I'll fix my system. Thanks guys !!! |
| 17:10.37 | fxiny | oh f* , busy box ? |
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| 17:10.59 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: so like http://foo/debian/ would look in htt://foo/debian/dists/<version>/<component>/binary-<architecture>/Packages.gz |
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| 17:11.18 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: i think you're making it harder than it has to be |
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| 17:12.54 | Gratz474 | how can i untar bz2? |
| 17:12.58 | Gratz474 | tar xvfj ? |
| 17:13.08 | fxiny | tar x |
| 17:13.11 | JPT | tar xjf |
| 17:13.12 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: oh..... so the directories under componet always start with binary-arch. that make since. And apt know which one to pull i am sure.. thanks for the clearing my head. |
| 17:13.20 | fxiny | modern tar is smart |
| 17:13.31 | JPT | is it? |
| 17:13.34 | JPT | mhh |
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| 17:13.41 | abrotman | makes sense ? |
| 17:13.42 | fxiny | yes, and unp is even smarter :) |
| 17:13.57 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: no, not hard. I just want to fully (FULLY) understand the system. |
| 17:13.58 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: dpkg-architecture .. is one way to see the architecture of the system |
| 17:14.05 | \amethyst | fxiny: you still need f though |
| 17:14.21 | Gratz474 | what does this mean? |
| 17:14.22 | Gratz474 | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
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| 17:14.33 | abrotman | Gratz474: file foo.tar.bz2 .. what does it say? |
| 17:14.44 | darkblue_B | hi- If I have two PC style servers in an office, is there a reliable strategy to sleep/wake them on schedule? or if I ad to shut down, some appraoch to restarting? |
| 17:14.54 | g00se | Gratz474: You might need to be root |
| 17:14.54 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: YA, thinks you are the man. |
| 17:14.56 | cmyers_work | Gratz474: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 17:14.58 | \amethyst | Gratz474: you don't have bzip2 installed |
| 17:14.58 | Gratz474 | site.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
| 17:15.10 | Gratz474 | sorry |
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| 17:15.13 | Gratz474 | i am an idiot |
| 17:15.18 | cmyers_work | no problem =D |
| 17:15.43 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: btw i'm getting a gcc: command could not be found error, should i care? |
| 17:15.44 | fxiny | \amethyst: oh yes , i'm used to unp :) |
| 17:15.48 | Gratz474 | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 17:15.49 | Gratz474 | \hmm |
| 17:15.51 | Gratz474 | still |
| 17:15.55 | fxiny | JPT: not so smart :) |
| 17:16.03 | abrotman | DevNullnDull: aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:16.04 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: sorry when running dpkg-architecture |
| 17:16.15 | Gratz474 | nevermind got it |
| 17:16.15 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: thank again |
| 17:16.22 | \amethyst | Gratz474: install bzip2 then tar xjf filename.tar.bz2 or even tar xf filename.tar.bz2 if your version of tar is new enough |
| 17:16.24 | azeem | DevNullnDull: no, it's just a warning |
| 17:16.30 | Gratz474 | yea i got it |
| 17:16.50 | Gratz474 | \amethyst, sorry for being dumb again hehe i needa linux cheat sheet for stuff like this dont use it in a long time you forget |
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| 17:18.15 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: is build-essential |
| 17:18.33 | DevNullnDull | abrotman: used for build source packages? |
| 17:19.05 | azeem | no |
| 17:19.21 | azeem | it's used to build binary packages out of source packages |
| 17:19.38 | azeem | but ok, you need parts of build-essential on top of a minimal system to build source packages |
| 17:20.46 | nsadmin | it's also used to compile programs from their source |
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| 17:21.17 | nsadmin | whether packaging is involved is not relevent; it can do either one |
| 17:21.26 | Ikke | i am having problems installing python2.6 from experimental |
| 17:22.06 | ajavid | Ikke, I didn't. Build from python 2.6.2 source, and use debian build configurations, obviously need to modify a bit here n there |
| 17:22.10 | ajavid | I don't trust experimental packages |
| 17:22.17 | ajavid | (quality wise) |
| 17:22.19 | Ikke | ok |
| 17:22.33 | ajavid | $>python2.6 --version |
| 17:22.34 | ajavid | Python 2.6.1+ |
| 17:22.36 | ajavid | :D |
| 17:22.45 | ajavid | (I'm on debian stable btw) |
| 17:22.51 | DevNullnDull | azeem: that is what i meant. since source package have no build. :) |
| 17:23.27 | nsadmin | throws an !enter into the ring! |
| 17:23.38 | ajavid | Ikke, if you have proble/trouble building debs out of it, you can try a direct backport approach, though I don't knwo if that will work I never trie dit |
| 17:23.55 | ajavid | Ikke, or you can simply just build from upstream and forget about making debs out of it |
| 17:24.44 | ajavid | wait, there is 2.6.2 |
| 17:24.46 | fxiny | ajavid: stable ? kernel .30 , python 2.6 ... lenny on steroids :P |
| 17:24.46 | ajavid | wth |
| 17:24.54 | Ikke | guess i'll keep 2.5 |
| 17:25.02 | ajavid | fxiny, yup, and is still much more stabler than anything else |
| 17:25.04 | jpinx | Ikke: ssb |
| 17:25.09 | jpinx | !ssb |
| 17:25.10 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 17:25.17 | ajavid | fxiny, don't forget xorg 7.4 |
| 17:25.18 | ajavid | ;) |
| 17:25.24 | Ikke | if I upgrade to 2.6 i'll have to update a lot of stuff (modwsgi, modpy, django) |
| 17:25.38 | DevNullnDull | the reason for the question, is because I thought i built from source before on this system. I would think i had that package build-essential. |
| 17:26.03 | fxiny | ajavid: but no vmwarez :P |
| 17:26.09 | fxiny | ajavid: :))) |
| 17:26.46 | ajavid | Automatically installed: no Version: 2.6.2 Provides: python2.6-celementtree, python2.6-cjkcodecs, python2.6-ctypes, python2.6-elementtree, python2.6-wsgiref |
| 17:26.51 | cmyers_work | DevNullnDull: build-essential is a metapackage - technically, if you installed glibc and gcc and everyhthing you needed some other way, you might have build things without having it marked as installed. |
| 17:27.04 | ajavid | fxiny, nah. Won't build. |
| 17:27.05 | nsadmin | Ikke: be very careful upgrading perl/python/bash/libc... any of these can break code that exists on your system and that expects specific versions of those things |
| 17:27.17 | fxiny | ajavid: cause is not stable ... |
| 17:27.22 | ajavid | no no no, python2.6 will coexist with other pythons without a problem |
| 17:27.32 | ajavid | make it isntall to somewhere other than default debian |
| 17:27.49 | ajavid | like I said use debian build configs to keep it sane enough, but modify things here and there to keepthem seperate |
| 17:28.08 | ajavid | or just build form upsteram and isntall to ~/bin. |
| 17:28.09 | ajavid | whatever. |
| 17:28.19 | Ikke | nsadmin yep, i'll keep it as it is |
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| 17:28.52 | ajavid | fxiny, vmware works good, but vm display is horribly messed up |
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| 17:28.55 | DevNullnDull | cmyers_work: ya, build-essential just points to all the other package to install. no actully binary apps inside the package? |
| 17:28.55 | ghaleb | hello everybody, I have a linux box acts as a gateway ( NAT ) it's fine, but I have a cisco vpn device tries to connect IPSec tunnels, it doesn't success before the box but it does if I skip the box out to the internet .. can anybody help |
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| 17:29.09 | cmyers_work | DevNullnDull: Yes, I believe that is true. |
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| 17:29.22 | nsadmin | ajavid all those things are possible, sure. but you're suggesting to be careful as well (by makign sure it's out of the system paths) |
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| 17:29.36 | cmyers_work | DevNullnDull: dpkg -L build-essential |
| 17:29.46 | ajavid | nsadmin, of course, I don't want him to make his system caput |
| 17:29.48 | ajavid | $>python |
| 17:29.48 | ajavid | python python2.4 python2.5 python2.6 |
| 17:30.04 | ajavid | see, all 3 pythons doing just fine on one system like bits of fruit in a cake, living in harmony |
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| 17:30.26 | cmyers_work | python is a lot like fruitcake. =| |
| 17:30.28 | nsadmin | but what version is the one simply called python? |
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| 17:30.34 | ajavid | 2.6 |
| 17:30.41 | ajavid | i think i made it |
| 17:30.43 | ajavid | let me see |
| 17:30.52 | DevNullnDull | cmyers_work: haha just did that as replyed. Yes, just looks like a bunhc of list files. |
| 17:30.54 | nsadmin | so your system python is 2.6? |
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| 17:30.58 | cmyers_work | ajavid: not using update-alternatives to manage them? |
| 17:30.59 | ajavid | $>python --version |
| 17:31.00 | ajavid | Python 2.5.2 |
| 17:31.07 | bkraptor | how can I get debhelper to say something? |
| 17:31.08 | ajavid | no its still 5.2 |
| 17:31.09 | DevNullnDull | first time dealing with metapackages i think. |
| 17:31.10 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 17:31.16 | ajavid | I keep 2.6 for my stuff |
| 17:31.25 | stew | cmyers_work: no, its not recommended to use update-alternatives for /usr/bin/python |
| 17:31.27 | ajavid | I wonder what would happen if I were to use 2.6 for debian system python |
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| 17:31.46 | nsadmin | bkraptor: it would need a voice synthesizer... but what would it say? |
| 17:31.46 | cmyers_work | stew: really? Why is that? I'd love a pointer to the explanation, for my own info. |
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| 17:32.21 | bkraptor | nsadmin: :) I need to test an xchat nickname hightlighting script for channel status |
| 17:32.40 | ajavid | bkraptor hi |
| 17:32.40 | Kaldor | someone can help me with bath problem and error message : bash: ./sc_serv: no file or directory of this type |
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| 17:32.59 | bkraptor | ajavid: thanks, but I need some op/voice to say something |
| 17:33.00 | ajavid | bath problem? ;) |
| 17:33.04 | stew | cmyers_work: its not compatible with the way the python-central and python-support package install python modules for one thing |
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| 17:33.17 | stew | cmyers_work: its a faq though, let me see if i can find you an authoritative answer |
| 17:33.26 | cmyers_work | stew: most appreciated =D |
| 17:33.28 | nsadmin | Kaldor: bath problems? you need a plumber! |
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| 17:34.14 | ajavid | python doesn't have alternatives (for 'python') |
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| 17:35.34 | klbate | At which level in the Debian build process are the debug symbols usually removed? Are they generated during compilation and then stripped, or are they just not generated at all? |
| 17:36.00 | reeher | Where would I ask a question about xhtml and iceweasel/firefox? |
| 17:36.04 | ajavid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-06-16 15:59 /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 <- what do you think may or may not happen if I were to change this to 2.6 ? |
| 17:36.04 | klbate | I want to install a debug version of a package and I want to know which scripts to hack to make it keep the symbols. |
| 17:36.14 | bzed | klbate: dh_strip |
| 17:36.16 | jelly-hme | ajavid: a broken system |
| 17:36.24 | ajavid | jelly-hme, I figured at much |
| 17:36.27 | bzed | klbate: which is called in debian/rules somewhere removes them |
| 17:36.29 | ajavid | jelly-hme, you're again missing |
| 17:36.37 | bzed | klbate: or moves them into a -dbg package, if there is one |
| 17:36.38 | ajavid | gives jelly an 'o' |
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| 17:36.46 | jelly-home | thanks! |
| 17:36.50 | ajavid | :) |
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| 17:37.18 | DevNullnDull | a metapackage like the build-essential package, is a package that pretty much just has dependencies |
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| 17:37.39 | klbate | bzed: No dh_strip in debian/rules... there seem to be a lot of standard rule files included though, I |
| 17:37.45 | klbate | 'll check through those. |
| 17:37.48 | DevNullnDull | that install the packages need to get an action program to work? |
| 17:38.32 | bzed | klbate: is it using cdbs? |
| 17:38.40 | klbate | bzed: Yes, looks like it. |
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| 17:39.04 | bzed | klbate: usually a d/rules file should honor DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 17:39.10 | reeher | I'm trying to write a page in xhtml for an intranet site and want to have a script executed when a button on the page is clicked. Is there a line of xhtml I can pass to the browser that will make it offer to run the script on click? |
| 17:39.18 | bzed | klbate: try export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip.noopt; dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:39.27 | klbate | OK. |
| 17:39.28 | ajavid | reeher, #web |
| 17:39.35 | ajavid | reeher, this is not the palce for web development support |
| 17:39.36 | reeher | ajavid: Thanks man. |
| 17:39.42 | ajavid | I'm there, I'll help you. |
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| 17:39.45 | bzed | klbate: a comma is more common between nostrip and noopt, sorry for the typo |
| 17:39.53 | bzed | klbate: but usually both ways should work |
| 17:39.57 | abrotman | rahsputin: you could try the sarge with the 26 option .. but i'm skeptical |
| 17:40.03 | bzed | klbate: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt :) |
| 17:40.07 | reeher | ajavid: which is why I asked where I should have posted the question when I first logged in. :) Thanks. HEaded there now. |
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| 17:41.27 | ajavid | renga_, there is also #html ##javascript ##php #web #css |
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| 17:42.04 | fogus2 | hello. does anyone know how to check what the version of a package showing up on aptitude is? for example, I search "aptitude search inotify" and I get several results. what version are they? |
| 17:42.12 | Bagualas | anyone already saw this error on RSYNC? 12 = Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:42.46 | jelly-home | Bagualas: trying to rsync a very large tree (many files)? |
| 17:43.17 | stew | fogus2: you can use something like "aptitude -F'%p %V' search inotify" or use "apt-cache policy packagename" or "aptitude show packagename" |
| 17:43.18 | Bagualas | jelly, yeah, a few maildirs |
| 17:44.15 | Bagualas | jelly-home, , yeah, a few maildirs |
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| 17:44.38 | localoca | an application wants /dev/mixer but there is no /dev/mixer on my system. i installed the alsa packages in debian testing. |
| 17:44.44 | localoca | i have only a /dev/snd/ directory |
| 17:44.48 | localoca | what can i do? |
| 17:45.19 | jelly-home | Bagualas: split the rsync into smaller trees, or add more RAM |
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| 17:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | load the alsa-oss module? |
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| 17:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | snd_mixer_oss, to be exact |
| 17:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but really, udev should have taken care of that |
| 17:46.27 | Bagualas | jelly-home, but, it was working before, now I change the mount point of samba, for the backup stays in other server, and errorrr |
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| 17:47.50 | jpinx | localoca: why testing - are you running squeeze? |
| 17:48.21 | localoca | is it not the same? |
| 17:48.56 | jpinx | are you running squeeze localoca ? |
| 17:49.15 | localoca | yeah |
| 17:49.28 | klbate | bzed: That did it, thanks a lot! |
| 17:49.32 | fogus2 | thanks, stew |
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| 17:49.49 | jpinx | !alsa |
| 17:49.49 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:49.52 | klbate | By the way, is there any particular reason for not having dbg packages built for _all_ binary packages as standard procedure? |
| 17:50.02 | patrikf | klbate: yes, lack of space |
| 17:50.05 | jpinx | localoca: ^^ |
| 17:50.07 | klbate | On the mirrors? |
| 17:50.11 | patrikf | klbate: yes |
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| 17:50.14 | klbate | OK. |
| 17:50.28 | patrikf | klbate: you don't really need them that often. for some libraries it certainly makes sense though. |
| 17:50.48 | localoca | nice modprobe snd_mixer_oss worked. thx guys |
| 17:51.28 | klbate | But 'export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt; apt-get -b source foopkg' should work to create a version of foopkg with debugging symbols intact, right? |
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| 17:52.05 | patrikf | klbate: remove the semicolon (;) |
| 17:52.21 | patrikf | klbate: and not all packages support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, it's only a recommendation iirc |
| 17:52.25 | klbate | OK. |
| 17:52.32 | patrikf | klbate: er, leave the semicolon |
| 17:52.35 | patrikf | didn't see the "export" |
| 17:53.03 | klbate | OK, thanks. |
| 17:53.12 | klbate | goes back to generating backtrace for a bug report. |
| 17:53.35 | patrikf | klbate: just out of interest, what package? |
| 17:53.44 | klbate | patrikf: evolution-rss |
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| 17:55.09 | bzed | klbate: space is not a problem, and -dbg packages for all sources are being worked on - http://debug.debian.net/ |
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| 17:55.30 | andrewtaylor_ | hi all, I've got an etch box that I want to use as a remote syslog host. I'd set everything up and it wasn't receiving messages. When I looked in to it syslogd wasn't binding to UDP514 on startup. I stopped it using the init.d script and started it manually (giving -r on the command line) and it's working. Any idea why it would ignore the -r in /etc/default/syslogd ? |
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| 17:55.57 | klbate | bzed: Oh, that's great. |
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| 17:57.40 | hochron | my screen is green and gnome wont let me change it..... might I have a virus? |
| 17:57.55 | andrewtaylor_ | hochron - everything is green? |
| 17:58.01 | heavenquake | hochron: it's more likely you've screwed something up somewhere |
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| 17:58.09 | heavenquake | viruses nowaday are way more subtle than that |
| 17:58.27 | cahoot | mold? |
| 17:58.28 | hochron | andrewtaylor_: just the background |
| 17:58.48 | andrewtaylor_ | hochron - have you got malicious co-workers / siblings ? |
| 17:58.51 | heavenquake | cahoot: priceless :D |
| 17:59.24 | hochron | heavenquake: I have been screwing around with uae and e-uae |
| 17:59.34 | hochron | andrewtaylor_: no |
| 17:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, sounds more like moss |
| 17:59.44 | heavenquake | hochron: describe "won't let me change it" - do you get the "change desktop background" screen, does it present you with your choices of wallpapers, does it display an error when you try? if so, what error |
| 18:00.25 | hochron | heavenquake: the window pops open and then it will close suddenly |
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| 18:00.59 | heavenquake | hochron: open a terminal and write gnome-appearance-properties in it |
| 18:01.00 | WDC | Hello. I am getting this error when attempting to download boxee: boxee: Depends: liblzo1 but it is not installable |
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| 18:01.22 | azeem | WDC: what is the error for "apt-get install liblzo1" ? |
| 18:01.27 | heavenquake | hochron: that will open the desktop changer manually. when it crashes there will probably be some output in the terminal. copy and paste it to pastebin.com and give us the link |
| 18:01.55 | hochron | jus a sec... |
| 18:01.58 | g00se | hochron: somebody installed Mint on your box while you weren't looking? |
| 18:02.18 | WDC | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m28284152 |
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| 18:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, the red contact to his monitor is broken :) |
| 18:02.37 | azeem | WDC: which version of Debian is this? |
| 18:02.42 | WDC | azeem: 5.0.2 |
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| 18:03.10 | azeem | WDC: and where do you have the boxee .deb fromß |
| 18:03.11 | azeem | ? |
| 18:03.28 | WDC | azeem: I'm apt-geting it |
| 18:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | points a finger at azeem ...German, German! |
| 18:03.42 | azeem | WDC: from where? |
| 18:03.50 | WDC | azeem: umm, hold on. Let me check |
| 18:03.52 | hochron | ok here it is http://pastebin.com/m6f439566 |
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| 18:04.11 | WDC | azeem: I;m getting it from a boxee repo for Ubuntu, which reportedly works |
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| 18:04.25 | azeem | WDC: Ubuntu repos are not compatible with Debian |
| 18:04.46 | henux | which debian package has locate / updatedb? |
| 18:04.51 | WDC | azeem: on a forum they said they were compat with debian0multimedia.org repos |
| 18:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ew, he's mixing ubuntu packages into debian |
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| 18:05.03 | abrotman | henux: the uh .. 'locate' package |
| 18:05.03 | dimm | hello |
| 18:05.07 | abrotman | !tell henux about search |
| 18:05.09 | abrotman | !tell henux about apt-file |
| 18:05.13 | azeem | WDC: then ask them |
| 18:05.16 | azeem | apparently they aren't |
| 18:05.19 | heavenquake | hochron: this is bad. are you running compiz or some other 3D-desktop? |
| 18:05.21 | WDC | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 18:05.24 | WDC | azeem: clearly |
| 18:05.29 | WDC | azeem: how would you install boxee? |
| 18:05.37 | hochron | heavenquake: the window pops open and then it will close suddenly |
| 18:05.46 | g00se | henux: locate |
| 18:05.46 | heavenquake | hochron: that's not what I asked |
| 18:05.49 | henux | and killall? |
| 18:05.52 | hochron | heavenquake: oops no |
| 18:05.58 | azeem | WDC: no idea |
| 18:06.02 | WDC | azeem: hmm |
| 18:06.14 | dimm | procmail trying create "/var/mail/dimm" , but i not have permissions to write in /var/mail, can i set maildir for dimm as $HOME/mail ? |
| 18:06.22 | WDC | azeem: I was using this: http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=4197 |
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| 18:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | WDC, and why don't you use the debian package? |
| 18:07.08 | hochron | heavenquake: just X |
| 18:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions boxee |
| 18:07.09 | azeem | WDC: sorry, I don't even know what boxee is, nor do I care; all I can tell you is that the .deb you got is incompatible |
| 18:07.15 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: boxee -- |
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| 18:07.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops - sorry, there aint one - I saw ghosts |
| 18:07.36 | heavenquake | hochron: have you recently updated your graphics drivers or something down those lines? |
| 18:07.43 | WDC | azeem: It wasn't off a deb. I HAVE a deb, and it gives this: |
| 18:08.02 | WDC | azeem: nevermind |
| 18:08.02 | hochron | heavenquake: no I just screwed with uae |
| 18:08.06 | WDC | azeem: thanks anyway |
| 18:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but let me ask another question... if you read http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?t=4197 why don't you do what they tell you about liblzo1? |
| 18:08.50 | heavenquake | it says it's a segmentation fault, which usually has to do with memory. try opening another terminal and run the 'top' application in it. it will monitor your memory usage. try running the wallpaper-changer during that and see if the MEM goes straight up, and if it does, what process is causing it |
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| 18:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not that it's such a great idea |
| 18:09.20 | linduxed | can you change the domain after installation? |
| 18:09.31 | hochron | heavenquake: I cant even remember if I got it to work, last time I logged in here was the 2nd |
| 18:09.38 | hochron | heavenquake: ok |
| 18:09.48 | WDC | CutMeOwnThroat: well I did. I installed from a tar.gz |
| 18:09.52 | WDC | CutMeOwnThroat: and it was fine |
| 18:10.03 | azeem | WDC: then maybe look at equivs |
| 18:10.10 | azeem | WDC: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 18:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | they took the package from sid... |
| 18:10.18 | g00se | linduxed: /etc/hostname is what holds it |
| 18:10.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | mixing lenny+sid+ubuntu |
| 18:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 18:10.38 | linduxed | g00se: any difference from setting it up at install? |
| 18:10.48 | WDC | hmm |
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| 18:11.09 | g00se | linduxed: Install just write to that afaik |
| 18:11.18 | g00se | s/write/writes |
| 18:11.23 | linduxed | g00se: ok thx |
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| 18:11.36 | hochron | heavenquake: I dont have wallpaper-changer.. |
| 18:11.56 | heavenquake | hochron: i meant the wallpaper-part of gnome-appearance-properties :) |
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| 18:14.20 | hochron | heavenquake: hmmm, after running gnome-appearance-properties it lists a few more ps's but the it closes quickly |
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| 18:15.40 | heavenquake | i don't know then |
| 18:16.05 | hochron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.28 | heavenquake | well in any case, it's highly improbable that it's a virus |
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| 18:16.54 | ajavid | a linux virus? |
| 18:17.00 | heavenquake | the few "viruses" reported working on Linux are mostly rootkits - whose aim is to be as subtle as possible |
| 18:17.02 | hochron | heavenquake: hmmm, ok |
| 18:17.12 | heavenquake | ajavid: improbable. like, not probable |
| 18:17.18 | heavenquake | ajavid: his first question was if it was a virus |
| 18:17.25 | ajavid | even linux virii can't really prop that well due to the inherent security of the linux |
| 18:17.45 | ajavid | and any cases of linux virii are old, nothing too to orecent or too damaging at all |
| 18:18.01 | ajavid | they are like a grain of sand in the ocean |
| 18:18.23 | heavenquake | ajavid: are you going to ramble on forever disregarding that I just said the exact same thing with fewer words? :) |
| 18:18.30 | ajavid | yes. |
| 18:18.36 | heavenquake | awesome. just checking |
| 18:18.41 | ajavid | np. |
| 18:19.09 | g00se | fyi the plural of 'virus' is 'viruses' |
| 18:19.12 | hochron | heavenquake: would screwing around with gtk do it, I did fewer stuff to it on my other box and it is fine? |
| 18:19.15 | cmyers_work | That is just precious. I feel the love. |
| 18:19.17 | ajavid | its virii |
| 18:19.23 | ajavid | it has always been virii |
| 18:19.53 | ajavid | otherwise you'd have to say funguses... incorrect. Its fungi |
| 18:19.57 | ajavid | anyway.. moving on. |
| 18:20.00 | cmyers_work | it is "virii" if you are looking for it on "warez sitez" |
| 18:20.03 | cahoot | wouldn't that be possessive? |
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| 18:20.12 | \amethyst | ajavid: except "virii" would be the plural of "virius" |
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| 18:20.20 | \amethyst | ajavid: it's "fungi" not "fungii" |
| 18:20.20 | fxiny | i like gungi and cheese :P |
| 18:20.25 | fxiny | fungi* |
| 18:20.38 | ajavid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_%22virus%22 |
| 18:20.43 | ghostkni1e | How can I list a package's dependencies. I have a huge system update to complete, but wish to do so at the end of the month. Though I want to update a certain package and it's dependencies now. |
| 18:20.51 | abrotman | is pretty sure there's an offtopic channel somewhere |
| 18:21.06 | sllide | how do i set my console language in english? |
| 18:21.09 | Qew | maybe send those who can't spell to #virii |
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| 18:21.21 | abrotman | sllide: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. set your default to an english variant |
| 18:21.26 | stew | ##english would be a good place to confirm that viruses is the correct plural of virus, perhaps |
| 18:21.45 | abrotman | ##English to be correct |
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| 18:21.47 | abrotman | hides |
| 18:21.50 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:22.14 | ghostkni1e | the file hasn't been downloaded yet, so I can't do dpkg -I |
| 18:22.20 | sllide | abrotman i dont get it |
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| 18:22.31 | abrotman | sllide: don't get what ? |
| 18:22.33 | sllide | i goto an empty nano file |
| 18:22.38 | hochron | heavenquake: or glibc? |
| 18:22.41 | sllide | do i need to type english there? |
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| 18:23.06 | abrotman | sllide: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. gives you a nano file ? |
| 18:23.10 | sllide | yes |
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| 18:23.23 | sllide | oh wait |
| 18:23.24 | ajavid | i think you are a bit confused |
| 18:23.24 | sllide | my bad |
| 18:23.28 | sllide | i typed nano instead of sudo |
| 18:23.28 | sllide | xD |
| 18:23.29 | ajavid | :) |
| 18:23.37 | g00se | sllide: if you need to type English, don't type 'virii' |
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| 18:23.45 | Qew | heh |
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| 18:24.22 | hochron | I use tightvnc, is it possible someone has set up a server on this box because tightvnc (with windows boxes) strips the background? |
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| 18:25.13 | g00se | hochron: you mean 'doesn't show the desktop'? |
| 18:25.28 | hochron | g00se: yes |
| 18:26.00 | g00se | hochron: afaicr there is a setting for only show the active app window |
| 18:26.09 | hochron | Ive never set up tightvnc server on a linux box |
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| 18:26.28 | MalaFide | hochron, think a bit more before you ask something. right now your question is gibberish |
| 18:27.19 | hochron | MalaFide: I am kinda busy... |
| 18:27.57 | MalaFide | so are we. and if you think your time is worth more than ours but request free help from us... |
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| 18:28.08 | MalaFide | then I think you're a bit socially maladjusted |
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| 18:28.26 | g00se | hochron: That of course would only apply were you looking at it through an xtight viewer |
| 18:28.58 | ghostkni1e | One other thing, how can i query apt to see which packages depend on a given package. I just discovered an installed program which I didn't install, and want to see why it's here |
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| 18:29.50 | hochron | MalaFide: you haven't given me anything helpful |
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| 18:30.36 | MalaFide | and you still haven't asked any sensible question so I guess we're even |
| 18:30.36 | azeem | I /W 31 |
| 18:30.38 | azeem | oops |
| 18:30.45 | abrotman | hochron: MalaFide: please ignore each other |
| 18:30.48 | g00se | ghostkni1e: I favour "debfoster -e somepackage" |
| 18:31.00 | abrotman | ghostkni1e: aptitude why foo |
| 18:31.25 | MalaFide | abrotman,would this work for suggested and recommended packages? |
| 18:31.40 | abrotman | i believe so .. |
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| 18:31.53 | abrotman | at least Recommends |
| 18:32.11 | snikker | hi someone can help me with a usb wireless adapter (chipset ralink rt73), i'm unable to get it working... |
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| 18:33.23 | dutchfish | !apt-rdepends |
| 18:33.23 | dpkg | well, apt-rdepends is a program which can show dependencies or reverse dependencies (what depends on the package). It is useful for removing large multi-package applications such as gnome. |
| 18:33.51 | kenjy | hi guys, some one here uses apt-mirror? |
| 18:34.03 | abrotman | probably |
| 18:34.25 | chunky420 | suicides |
| 18:34.59 | stew | kenjy: there are people here that use it, just ask your real question |
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| 18:36.27 | kenjy | well, I wanna have a mirror of etch and lenny (main, non-free and contrib), for that purpose Im ussing a 70gb HD |
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| 18:37.19 | kenjy | but apt-mirror said that it was going to download 50gb of data, right now its going to 61gb of used space and I have 2.9 available |
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| 18:38.00 | kenjy | it needs to downloa 1.6gb but my question is, after downloading all the files, is it going to grow more? |
| 18:38.40 | stew | kenjy: it shoudln't, though the next time etc/lenny get updated it will |
| 18:39.12 | kenjy | stew: but if etch/lenny get updated, what happen with the old files ? |
| 18:39.12 | g00se | kenjy: Are you expecting the apocalypse? |
| 18:39.37 | kenjy | g00se: no, why? |
| 18:39.47 | stew | kenjy: at the end of the update which downloads new packages, it will tell you a command you can run to purge no longer needed files |
| 18:39.59 | mogunus1 | Hi. I would like to make my git repositories available on the 'net. They live on my workstation, behind an internet-facing computer which is a server. What is the best way to do that? I don |
| 18:40.23 | mogunus1 | 't do any development on the server, and I don't wna tot have to ssh into it and pull from the workstation all the time. Can I do that automatically? |
| 18:40.35 | stew | kenjy: the key point being that it happens AFTER you download the new ones, so you'd need to have enough room for the new packages before you get the chance to delete the old |
| 18:40.35 | g00se | kenjy: I'm wondering why you think it *won't* grow? |
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| 18:40.55 | \amethyst | mogunus1: 1. run a web server on the dev machine and forward a port to it from the server |
| 18:41.22 | cmyers_work | mogunus1: I don't know much about git, but you can mount things on the server using sshfs, then access them like local files. That way you don't have to worry about configuring apache and that level of security, just do it with an ssh account. |
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| 18:41.38 | cmyers_work | I use sshfs to share all sorts of things. |
| 18:41.39 | \amethyst | mogunus1: or 2. share the filesystem where you do development between the server and the dev machine (using e.g. NFS) |
| 18:41.45 | kenjy | stew: and ... 1.2gb is enough space for that? |
| 18:42.12 | klbate | Yeah, SSHFS on the server and then using the normal Git or Git-over-SSH to the server seems like the easiest way. |
| 18:42.21 | stew | kenjy: I don't know what the size of the next update will be |
| 18:42.29 | cmyers_work | sshfs rocks my socks. Totally awesome. |
| 18:42.33 | klbate | the normal Git or Git-over-SSH protocols, I meant to say. |
| 18:42.43 | kenjy | stew: so I need to get more space right? |
| 18:43.16 | \amethyst | mogunus1: or 3. run git on the server, put the repository there, check it out from the client (so that the server copy is the remote), and do git push |
| 18:43.28 | stew | kenjy: personally I think you need to question why you need to mirror all of etch |
| 18:44.40 | Sashi | rawr http://pastebin.ca/1487188 |
| 18:45.07 | kenjy | stew: because I have a lot of servers/pc's with etch |
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| 18:45.51 | stew | kenjy: perhaps apt-proxy or approx or apt-cacher are better for you |
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| 18:46.14 | eyeris | When I run `ip addr show`, my eth0 address, listed first in /etc/network/interfaces, is listed as a secondary address. How can I change which address is the primary address? |
| 18:46.27 | kenjy | stew: I use apt-cacher but it is not enough |
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| 18:46.45 | hochron | <heavenquake> hochron: this is bad. are you running compiz or some other 3D-desktop? Is cairo a 3D-desktop? |
| 18:46.58 | kenjy | stew: and I m downloading packages fron 6 days ago LOL |
| 18:47.20 | kenjy | stew: where can I see the debian documentation? is there a wiki or a web site with documentation? I wanna set a raid software for my apt-mirror server |
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| 18:48.47 | mogunus1 | Hmm. Okay. Thanks for the options. I think I like the remote filesystem one. Mount my "this is where I put all my git projects" directory under my user account on the server,using nfs, and then use git's normal ssh protocol to hit the server? |
| 18:49.11 | stew | kenjy: http://debian.org/doc http://wiki.debian.org /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 18:49.14 | stew | kenjy: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 18:50.03 | klbate | mogunus: Yes, that should work. |
| 18:50.06 | kenjy | well stew tnks for all |
| 18:50.08 | \amethyst | mogunus1: yeah. for that matter, you could just store them on the server in the first place (not even shared), and use git-over-ssh from your dev machine |
| 18:50.09 | unjustice | does anyone know if there is an repo or installation candidate for cinepaint for debian? |
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| 18:50.48 | g0rd0n | is there a way i can monitor which processes are trying to connect to internet ips at port 25? (e.g. send mails)? |
| 18:50.49 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:51.19 | \amethyst | g0rd0n: wireshark can do it |
| 18:51.22 | stew | kenjy: are you mirroring arches that you don't need? |
| 18:51.26 | g00se | g0rd0n: netstat -pant |
| 18:51.45 | \amethyst | yeah, I guess netstat works too :) |
| 18:51.45 | kenjy | stew: no, only i386 |
| 18:51.59 | \amethyst | and will actually show you pids |
| 18:52.06 | g0rd0n | thanks |
| 18:52.10 | kenjy | stew: set defaultarch i386 |
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| 18:53.32 | klbate | What environment variable controls the compiler flags used when building Debian packages with dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 18:54.29 | woshty | which package depends on chipcard stuff and why is it running on my netbook? |
| 18:54.31 | stew | klbate: take a look at the debian/rules file in the source pacakge |
| 18:54.39 | \amethyst | klbate: man dpkg-buildpackage, look in section 'ENVIRONMENT' |
| 18:54.47 | klbate | stew: Is there no general way? |
| 18:55.23 | \amethyst | klbate: err, section "ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES" rather |
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| 18:55.56 | stew | klbate: see \amethyst 's answer |
| 18:56.13 | darkblue_B | hi- If I have two PC style servers in an office, is there a reliable strategy to sleep/wake them on schedule? or if I ad to shut down, some appraoch to restarting? |
| 18:57.04 | darkblue_B | there are two, so one could signal the other, potentially |
| 18:57.08 | darkblue_B | if that works |
| 18:57.10 | kenjy | stew: the debian wiki talk about how to create a raid software but in the installer, I need to create it in the CLI in my installed server |
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| 18:57.40 | mesut | kinda dumb, but cant delete/rename a directory named ------ |
| 18:57.51 | stew | kenjy: google for mdadm howto |
| 18:57.52 | \amethyst | darkblue_B: if their NICs support wake-on-LAN< see the 'wakeonlan' and 'etherwake' packages |
| 18:58.33 | kenjy | stew: ok, searching ... |
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| 18:58.38 | kenjy | stew: another question, do I need to move my data to another place? or can I add it to the raid without moving it? |
| 18:58.54 | \amethyst | darkblue_B: you'd need some small machine (e.g. a router) that stayed running and sent the wake-on-lan packets to the firt machine, though |
| 18:58.59 | faffi | How do i get the man pages for C functions? |
| 18:59.05 | stew | kenjy: which raid level are you going to be doing? |
| 18:59.10 | stew | faffi: install manpages-dev |
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| 18:59.49 | klbate | OK. What I want to do is to just set a couple of variables and then be able to do 'apt-get source --compile foopkg' to get a package optimised for my local machine to squeeze out some extra bang for the bits (mostly for realtime audio stuff). |
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| 18:59.52 | \amethyst | darkblue_B: usually you'd have to enable wake-on-LAN in the bios, too |
| 19:00.08 | darkblue_B | \amethyst: I could just sleep one alternatingly |
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| 19:00.28 | darkblue_B | yes, I should check wake on lan in the BIOS, good point |
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| 19:00.34 | \amethyst | darkblue_B: that would work, though a small e.g. router running Linux would probably have a much smaller power usage |
| 19:00.35 | darkblue_B | (I've never done this) |
| 19:00.46 | darkblue_B | right |
| 19:00.51 | g00se | mesut: Try rm '------' |
| 19:00.53 | faffi | stew: thanks :) |
| 19:01.02 | cahoot | darkblue_B: FWIW I have a system that offers some auto wakeup in bios (whatchdog?) |
| 19:01.16 | kenjy | stew: raid 0 |
| 19:01.21 | BrunoCabraL_ | Im trying to change my motd but when i reboot, it turns back to the original motd... How should I config my motd? |
| 19:01.32 | darkblue_B | ah - auto wakeup in the bios ? |
| 19:01.34 | sp4d35x | help about mandriva |
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| 19:01.45 | stew | kenjy: then no, you'd need to move your data to another place |
| 19:01.57 | mesut | g00se, mv: unrecognized option `-----' |
| 19:02.01 | kenjy | stew: in witch level I don't need to move the data? |
| 19:02.06 | darkblue_B | this is some American Megatrends BIOS, with a TYAN s2800 (?) mb, iir |
| 19:02.18 | darkblue_B | I'l check for that |
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| 19:02.55 | stew | kenjy: you can perhaps get around it with raid 1 or raid 5 by creating a degraded array with the drive already containing the data as a missing drive, then copy the data to the degraded array |
| 19:03.21 | g00se | mesut: Hang on: please pastebin an ls -l including that file |
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| 19:03.44 | mesut | g00se, ok |
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| 19:05.11 | mesut | g00se, http://pastebin.ca/1487206 |
| 19:05.27 | hesco | after last night's apt-get dist-upgrade, my firewall is now complaining on startup that Module ip_conntrack_ftp and Module iptable_nat are not being found. |
| 19:05.53 | hesco | is there a debian package which will provide these? Or will I have to recompile my kernel? |
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| 19:09.36 | g00se | mesut: rm -Rf './-----' |
| 19:09.49 | nkuttler | hesco: which kernel version? |
| 19:10.07 | mesut | g00se, thanks! |
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| 19:10.17 | stew | mesut: mv -- ----- test |
| 19:10.57 | sllide | i got problems with compiling smaug |
| 19:10.59 | sllide | http://pastebin.com/m4dc9af9a |
| 19:11.02 | sllide | sorry its in dutch |
| 19:11.04 | hesco | uname -a says: 2.6.27.8_20081210_03, which I suspect means I hand built it on that date |
| 19:11.24 | nkuttler | !tell sllide about localized errors |
| 19:11.35 | sllide | AH |
| 19:11.38 | sllide | i needed that |
| 19:11.38 | sllide | xD |
| 19:11.39 | sllide | tnx |
| 19:13.09 | sllide | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 19:13.09 | sllide | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 19:13.10 | sllide | :/ |
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| 19:13.22 | nkuttler | sllide: well, is another process using it? |
| 19:13.25 | sllide | nope |
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| 19:13.43 | sllide | brb reboot |
| 19:13.43 | jelly-home | no apt or aptitude or synaptic or dpkg... |
| 19:13.51 | sllide | i know that |
| 19:13.55 | sllide | but nothing is open |
| 19:14.02 | sllide | only xchat and a terminal |
| 19:14.06 | jelly-home | sllide: well, you can just wipe the file then |
| 19:14.07 | nkuttler | sllide: ps auxw | grep -E 'dpkg|apt|syna' ? |
| 19:14.30 | jelly-home | sllide: also, are you root (needs to be asked) |
| 19:14.33 | sllide | sudo |
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| 19:14.57 | sllide | hmm |
| 19:15.02 | sllide | opened a new terminal |
| 19:15.08 | hesco | well, `sudo apt-get install iptables iptables-dev iptstate` seems to make my web server more cooperative, although I'm still seeing lots of errors from running my firewall script |
| 19:15.13 | bean__ | sllide: what does whoami say |
| 19:15.14 | sllide | now it works ;p |
| 19:15.18 | bean__ | oic |
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| 19:16.09 | lotrac | Hi. I just did some backups using LVM snapshots. Since I began doing this, I get a lot of this messages: "ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 2135731" - does anybody have an idea what this means? |
| 19:16.09 | jelly-home | !win sllide |
| 19:16.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, sllide! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:16.13 | fogus2 | hello, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ssh#Security_cautions says that I should not use ssh-1. I just installed debian minimal a few days ago. aptitude show ssh gives "version 1:5.1p1-5" is this ssh-1? how can I tell? I want to avoid MITM attacks |
| 19:16.18 | sllide | yay |
| 19:16.44 | bean__ | fogus2: no, ssh-1 and ssh-2 are just connection protocols. |
| 19:16.51 | bean__ | from my understanding |
| 19:17.23 | fogus2 | bean__: that makes sense. how can I tell which one I am using? |
| 19:17.34 | ideus | hi people |
| 19:18.01 | bean__ | cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep Protocol |
| 19:18.17 | ideus | I'm currently using debian lenny on my laptop, but I think the boot process is very slow compared to etch, do you know it the testing or unstable debian are faster ? |
| 19:18.21 | bean__ | fogus2: ^ |
| 19:18.28 | g00se | ssh -2 |
| 19:18.39 | fogus2 | bean__: cheers |
| 19:18.52 | fogus2 | I get "protocol 2" |
| 19:18.56 | bean__ | good. |
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| 19:20.41 | maff | Hi. I just did some backups using LVM snapshots. Since I began doing this, I get a lot of this messages: "ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 2135731" - does anybody have an idea what this means? |
| 19:20.52 | xlotlu | is there a way to have sshd deny password authentication, but not drop clients right away? |
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| 19:21.56 | bean__ | xlotlu: I would think not, as since you are disallowing passwords the only way to auth is public key, and since they dont have the key, they are dropped. |
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| 19:22.52 | xlotlu | bean__: yeah.. i'd like to let them try to log in at will, while the server simply logs them the attempts and nothing more |
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| 19:23.07 | bean__ | xlotlu: then enable password auth :P |
| 19:23.22 | xlotlu | getting an instant "Permission denied (publickey)" makes it too easy for silly asses |
| 19:23.40 | xlotlu | bean__: hmm... |
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| 19:24.03 | xlotlu | password auth enabled, but passwordless accounts. that might work :) |
| 19:24.42 | bean__ | xlotlu: I would assume so. |
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| 19:37.09 | itrebal | Is there an easy way to create a .deb? |
| 19:37.42 | zinx | no, we all walk for 100 miles across a lava pit to create them |
| 19:37.54 | Jemt | LOL |
| 19:38.19 | teilzeitstudent | dont forget the juggling with chainsaws. burning chainsaws. |
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| 19:40.41 | nickburns | Hi all - I just popped a new NVIDIA card in my old (433MHz) system and am trying to get it configured to work with X. Debian seemed to pick it up no problem after I installed the nvidia-legacy glx and kernel drivers - but I am having trouble getting glx to work. It says the extension is missing - any suggestions? |
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| 19:41.16 | azeem | nickburns: do you have something like "Module "glx"" in your xorg.conf? |
| 19:41.23 | zinx | perhaps you're using the 'nv' driver instead of the 'nvidia' driver.. who can tell, perhaps you should pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:42.14 | nickburns | azeem: well, the funny thing is I don't even have an xorg.conf - very strange, sorry but this is my first time using debian, i've been a diehard gentoo user over the years - i did run dexconf to generate a config file then added the Load "glx" to it but to no avail |
| 19:42.42 | zinx | it's stored an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:42.43 | zinx | erh, as |
| 19:42.56 | nickburns | zinx: yeah - no such animal |
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| 19:43.13 | dagek | hi |
| 19:43.19 | nickburns | zinx: d'oh, it was using nv - i am going to try adding a driver line |
| 19:43.51 | dagek | I need keyboard layout en_US and I can only find USA |
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| 19:44.10 | dagek | anyone knows? |
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| 19:44.20 | negge | has anyone else noticed that the Debian installer is sometimes *incredibly* slow? I've been installing Debian on my EEEPc now for probably 2 hours. Now it's stuck at "Looking for other operating systems", it's been like that for at least 15 minutes. It will eventually finish though, it's the same with all other installation steps. I've seen this behaviour before but I can't figure out why |
| 19:44.21 | abrotman | nickburns: it will just make an empty one .. if you want a full xorg.conf use X -configure |
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| 19:45.05 | adbiy | nickburns: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 19:46.05 | jpinx | negge: are you using the eeepc installer? |
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| 19:47.02 | nickburns | ok i did the X -configure ... now im my log i'm getting a bunch of messages like "bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan" |
| 19:47.04 | negge | jpinx: yes |
| 19:47.27 | negge | jpinx: but I've witnessed the same shit when trying to install Debian on a very old IBM laptop hardrive which had some unreadable sectors. |
| 19:48.01 | negge | The installation itself is just as fast as it should be but going from on step to another takes ages (as does network hardware recognition for example) |
| 19:48.07 | jpinx | negge: I have not seen this on installing the eeepc- which I reinstall fairly often |
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| 19:48.41 | jpinx | do you have network issues, bad hard drive? |
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| 19:49.04 | bean__ | I've found that network hangs are usually a card looking for a non-existant dhcp server. |
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| 19:49.28 | negge | jpinx: absolutely no network issues, and the harddrive is just fine. Only thing worth noting is that I have a brand new SDHC card plugged in which the installer for some reason didn't recognize (although when I tried to install the newest Ubuntu earlier it recognized it just like that). |
| 19:49.36 | jpinx | bean__: yea - that's what I'm thinking, but he has HDD issues too |
| 19:49.39 | dustybin | how does one turn vim into vim mode, my vim is acting like vi arghghghghghg |
| 19:49.49 | negge | bean__: the slow part for me was the part before it tries to get an address from DHCP |
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| 19:50.04 | bean__ | odd.... |
| 19:50.12 | jpinx | negge: which model eeepc and what size/type sd card? |
| 19:50.17 | Vaske_Helper | how do I install .deb package? |
| 19:50.22 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 19:50.28 | Vaske_Helper | I am trying to install RealPlayer 11 |
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| 19:50.33 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: aptitude install <package> |
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| 19:50.43 | abrotman | jpinx: a .deb ? |
| 19:50.48 | Vaske_Helper | I downloaded package already |
| 19:50.56 | jpinx | dpkg -i |
| 19:50.56 | dpkg | jpinx: no idea |
| 19:50.59 | Vaske_Helper | its in my Home folder |
| 19:51.04 | abrotman | jpinx: what was wrong with `man dpkg` ? |
| 19:51.14 | jpinx | see - he doesn't know either |
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| 19:52.28 | Gratz474 | i installed php5-mysql but its still not working |
| 19:52.32 | Gratz474 | why would that be? |
| 19:52.33 | Griffith | Can i compare two folders under debian (to be sure that the copy function does succeed ?) (number of files size...) |
| 19:52.34 | jpinx | negge: there are issues with high compression SD cards in some eeepc's |
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| 19:52.52 | Griffith | (the 2 folders contain a lot of other folders ^^' |
| 19:52.54 | Griffith | ) |
| 19:53.01 | gasull | Hi all. I installed gimphoto with --force-arquitecture and now aptitude remove doesn't find the package to remove it |
| 19:53.09 | negge | jpinx: it's the EEE701 |
| 19:53.09 | abrotman | Gratz474: what isn't working ? |
| 19:53.09 | jpinx | Griffith: use rsync to make sure the one you wnat has everything |
| 19:53.20 | abrotman | Griffith: cmd or diff .. one of them |
| 19:53.24 | abrotman | erm .. cmp |
| 19:53.30 | negge | I know the card works because I installed Ubuntu on it earlier today (removed it after some annoyances) |
| 19:53.32 | Gratz474 | nevermind got it |
| 19:53.35 | Gratz474 | weird' |
| 19:53.53 | negge | jpinx: the card is a Transcend 4GB SDHC (says "Class 6" on the cover) |
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| 19:54.01 | jpinx | negge: Hmm - my 701 doesn't see HC cards in the slot |
| 19:54.02 | negge | but I don't think it is the reason for the slowdown |
| 19:54.20 | negge | jpinx: the BIOS doesn't recognize it but the Ubuntu installer did just fine |
| 19:54.25 | Vaske_Helper | it says RealPlayer depends or LSP package, lsp not installed? |
| 19:54.28 | negge | somehow Debian's doesn't |
| 19:54.29 | Vaske_Helper | what is LSP |
| 19:54.37 | jpinx | negge: but it works perfectly with a normal 4GB SD card |
| 19:55.04 | jpinx | negge: odd - same bios presumabbly? |
| 19:55.18 | abrotman | gasull: wtf would you do that? |
| 19:55.24 | negge | jpinx: yes I tried with a normal 2GB SD card and the BIOS recognized it just fine |
| 19:55.40 | jpinx | negge: even odder |
| 19:55.40 | negge | jpinx: still doesn't explain why the installer is dead slow |
| 19:55.46 | hochron | my desktop background is all green and when i enter gnome-appearance-properties i get this output http://pastebin.com/m6f439566 and the window closes quickly. i did something with an old xfree package because I needed the libraries and cant remeber if i installed it... can anyone help me? |
| 19:55.47 | gasull | abrotman: shame on me. I know. |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | no really .. WTF |
| 19:56.09 | jpinx | negge: seperate issues I reckon |
| 19:56.11 | negge | jpinx: but it could very well be harddrive-related as I had the same issue when I tried installing on a semi-broken 10 year old harddrive |
| 19:56.34 | gasull | abrotman: I know some programs for i386 work on amd64, like Skype |
| 19:56.58 | jpinx | negge: a HD with lots of bad sectors can be very slow to install on - ime |
| 19:56.59 | Vaske_Helper | actually it asks for LSB package |
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| 19:57.40 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: aptitude search, aptitude install, man aptitude |
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| 19:58.21 | negge | jpinx: yeah, thing is the one right now is perfectly healthy |
| 19:58.26 | gasull | abrotman: I don't know why dpkg and aptitude don't find the package. I think I would have this problem even in a i386 architecture and the package is broken. Is it safe to just look into the .deb file and delete what it installed? |
| 19:58.33 | negge | still sitting at 16% on "Looking for other operating systems" |
| 19:58.42 | jpinx | negge: are you by any chance squeezing the install into the minimum size partition? |
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| 19:58.55 | luckylucy | i have a client laptop reporting that the effective permission for a file are nothing, but i have the user added to the group, i have the group as the group on the file (root is the owner) so, the group is staff, user is part of staff, with -rwxrwx--- permissions, what should i look for next? |
| 19:59.00 | jpinx | negge: looking at bad sectors more like ;) |
| 19:59.28 | negge | jpinx: no I chose to format the whole drive as one big partition (I was gonna use the extra SD card for /usr and /home but...) |
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| 19:59.46 | jpinx | luckylucy: is it mounted ro? |
| 20:00.07 | negge | jpinx: maybe I should restart the installation without the SDHC card... |
| 20:00.10 | gasull | abrotman: Of course I installed the i386 .deb b/c there wasn't an amd64 available |
| 20:00.16 | jpinx | negge: ok - 'cos that can be another hiccup people have met on teh eeepc |
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| 20:00.40 | yalu | just managed to install Debian on a macbook. hurray. For some strange reason Grub seems to think my root partition is hd0,4 though it really is hd0,3. Strange. |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | gasull: for skype? someone the other day showed me an amd64 skype .deb |
| 20:00.50 | Vaske_Helper | did anybody manage to install realplayer 11 on Lenny? |
| 20:00.55 | dimm | bye |
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| 20:01.07 | gasull | abrotman: No, I mean gimphoto |
| 20:01.12 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 20:01.14 | luckylucy | jpinx: no, just created a file through putty with touch newfile. |
| 20:01.18 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: use mpalyer or vlc or similar |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | and your gimp would still be 64bit |
| 20:01.23 | negge | Vaske_Helper: may I ask why do you want Realplayer? :D |
| 20:01.25 | abrotman | assumes they are related |
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| 20:01.44 | gasull | abrotman: gimphoto is a mod of gimp so it looks like Photoshop |
| 20:01.46 | Vaske_Helper | jpinx: it does not play .rpm (real streaming) |
| 20:01.48 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: or install realplayer in wine? |
| 20:01.56 | abrotman | gasull: that's *dumb* :) |
| 20:01.59 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: mine does |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | the PS interface is freaking awful |
| 20:02.11 | Vaske_Helper | VLC does not play |
| 20:02.20 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: mplayer |
| 20:02.23 | kejen | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, what file does that edit? Didn't make or touch my xorg.conf |
| 20:02.31 | g00se | 'the effective permission for a file are nothing'. That could be said of world perms |
| 20:02.37 | abrotman | kejen: on lenny it won't .. what are you trying to do? |
| 20:02.37 | negge | jpinx: now BIOS won't recognize any SD card |
| 20:02.42 | negge | I suspect a crappy BIOS |
| 20:02.45 | gasull | abrotman: maybe, but I prefer to put in practice what I know of Photoshop that to learn a new GUI |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | than |
| 20:02.55 | jpinx | luckylucy: chase down the permissions tree then |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | gasull: i guess .. it might be easier for you to just setup a 32bit chroot .. just to at least test it out |
| 20:03.21 | abrotman | gasull: is there a source package for the gimphoto ? |
| 20:03.35 | jpinx | gasull: install photoshop in wine ? |
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| 20:03.43 | kejen | abrotman: just trying to learn about debian, always created my xorg.conf other ways and came across that command and couldn't figure out what it was doing |
| 20:03.44 | jpinx | runs |
| 20:03.47 | gasull | abrotman: IMHO they're both awful, but Photoshop is already familar (for me) |
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| 20:04.25 | jpinx | negge: blame asus;) |
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| 20:04.35 | abrotman | kejen: it used to do lots of stuff .. but now Xorg tries to guess the best settings and uses those |
| 20:04.49 | quentusrex | Does anyone know what is wrong with a drive that always returns grub error 5? |
| 20:04.54 | gasull | abrotman: Plus, any Photoshop tutorial will be useful w/ Gimphoto |
| 20:04.58 | Vaske_Helper | jpinx: mplayer just play sound |
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| 20:05.02 | Vaske_Helper | no picture |
| 20:05.04 | negge | jpinx: mmhm. You don't happen to know if there have any BIOS updates for the EEE701? |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | gasull: except it won't be the same? :) |
| 20:05.14 | gasull | jpinx, abrotman: well, right now I just want to fix the mess. Later I'll think about installing Photoshop on Wine or Gimphoto again |
| 20:05.15 | quentusrex | I have reinstalled with different releases, but it always returns grub error 5. |
| 20:05.17 | kejen | abrotman: how does dpkg-reconfigure know where to look for files? Is there some kind of global file that points to individual files? |
| 20:05.25 | abrotman | gasull: seriously .. i'd try to do it in a 32bit VM or chroot first .. at least see how worth it is getting it going .. or look for the src package |
| 20:05.33 | abrotman | kejen: which files? |
| 20:05.35 | jpinx | negge: check the asus website - depends when you last updated - I never did |
| 20:05.41 | negge | jpinx: I restarted and started the installer in Rescue mode and now it's fast as normal |
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| 20:05.53 | negge | I took out the SDHC card and inserted a normal SD instead |
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| 20:06.38 | jpinx | negge: yep that's hc cards for you in the 701 ;) |
| 20:07.05 | jpinx | Vaske_Helper: mplayer does movies for me |
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| 20:08.31 | negge | crappy shit |
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| 20:09.01 | gasull | abrotman: OK, I'll think about it. Right now I just want to remove gimphoto from my system |
| 20:09.01 | gasull | abrotman: if dpkg, apt-get and aptitude don't find it, is it safe to just look into the .deb file and delete what has been installed? |
| 20:09.01 | jpinx | negge: yea - well - we have to put up with the economies;)e |
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| 20:10.34 | abrotman | gasull: are there control files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 20:11.02 | kejen | abrotman: probably explained it bad...dpkg-reconfigure/preconfigure, how are these programs linked to config files, vs other config files. |
| 20:11.07 | jpinx | negge: fwiw - 4gb is the max size of a non-hc sdcard, but they are not easy to find in the shops - here anyway |
| 20:11.24 | luckylucy | how do i show the primary group of a user? |
| 20:11.33 | negge | jpinx: I bought it today and I automatically assumed the Eee could handle it |
| 20:11.42 | negge | seems like it can but Debian's installer cannot |
| 20:11.52 | abrotman | luckylucy: i think `groups` shows it as the first one |
| 20:11.57 | gasull | abrotman: yes |
| 20:12.08 | negge | guess there's not that much I can do about it. Maybe there's some black magic boot/install parameters I could use to get it to work... |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | gasull: should be a list of files .. probably can start with those ... |
| 20:12.41 | jelly-home | luckylucy: id shows it too |
| 20:12.47 | jpinx | negge: not just the installer - I have tried HC cards in established lenny on 701 and they are ignored |
| 20:12.56 | jpinx | it's a known bios issue |
| 20:13.26 | abrotman | kejen: i'm assuming the debconf templates do that .. i've never looked into it myself |
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| 20:14.32 | kejen | abrotman: thanks, man debconf is where I needed to look |
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| 20:15.56 | gasull | abrotman: In the folder DEBIAN inside the .deb I can see all the files. They go to /usr/local/gimphoto and /var/lib/installjammer. I know I can delete the first one from my system, but I'm unsure about the second one. |
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| 20:16.23 | luckylucy | ok, two users, one who's gid is the same as the uid, and one who's not, the one who's not works, how to fix this, it is only the numbers that vary, the actual gid and uid are the username on both |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | gasull: i've never heard of the second |
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| 20:17.29 | g00se | luckylucy: 'works'? |
| 20:17.47 | gasull | abrotman: OK. I'll delete both. |
| 20:18.22 | luckylucy | the permissions set are actually working the way they are set, the other is not able to open files, but can browse folders. |
| 20:18.49 | g00se | luckylucy: Better pastebin ls -l |
| 20:18.59 | luckylucy | 1min |
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| 20:20.41 | gasull | abrotman: Thanks. I can already remember a few times you have helped me :) |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | i'm sorry |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | blames jpinx |
| 20:21.09 | luckylucy | g00se: http://pastebin.com/mf62abcd |
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| 20:21.36 | Vaske_Helper | How to manage extensions that mplayer is opening by default? |
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| 20:23.40 | g00se | luckylucy: 'samboytor can open GMD.SLDPRT, but another user cannot' so samboytor belongs to staff and the other user doesn't? |
| 20:24.30 | ideus | isn't there a deb http://security.debian.org/ for testing ? |
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| 20:25.31 | g00se | luckylucy: if you want them to be able to then chmod o+r GMD.SLDPRT |
| 20:25.49 | dustybin | everybody _turn_ _off_ sshd |
| 20:25.51 | dustybin | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 |
| 20:26.11 | azeem | dustybin: eh, please don't over-react |
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| 20:28.34 | luckylucy | yes, they both belong to staff |
| 20:28.35 | cmyers_work | is "the newest version" the version in testing? in unstable? can we get some details here? =/ |
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| 20:29.04 | azeem | cmyers_work: hrm? |
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| 20:29.16 | cmyers_work | dustybin's ssh rumors |
| 20:29.18 | luckylucy | g00se, i don't want anything in that folder to have an o+ permissions |
| 20:29.19 | azeem | ideus: not at this time |
| 20:29.20 | cmyers_work | nothing mentions a version =( |
| 20:29.27 | azeem | cmyers_work: the newest version in stable, of course |
| 20:29.36 | azeem | testing and unstable users don't care much about security |
| 20:29.50 | azeem | but probably they should install the newest version available to them as well |
| 20:30.07 | g00se | luckylucy: so who is this other user? |
| 20:30.09 | cmyers_work | so current stable (and thus, testing and unstable) are not potentially effected by this "rumor"? |
| 20:30.19 | cmyers_work | it is just users who have not updated? |
| 20:30.25 | azeem | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 20:30.25 | judd | azeem: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 sid: 1:5.1p1-6 |
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| 20:30.36 | dustybin | ./0pen0wn -h cmyers_work -p 22 |
| 20:30.39 | dustybin | shit wrong window |
| 20:30.40 | azeem | cmyers_work: it's a *rumor* |
| 20:30.44 | luckylucy | g00se: http://pastebin.com/m2ed39914 shows the info on the two users in question |
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| 20:31.09 | cmyers_work | sure it is a *rumor*, but it doesn't hurt to be aware whether or not one is potentially effected. |
| 20:31.23 | azeem | cmyers_work: you are potentially effected |
| 20:31.35 | dustybin | change your ssh port to a non-standard port |
| 20:31.37 | azeem | you are *more* effected if you have an outdated version of openssh installed for your distribution |
| 20:31.37 | cmyers_work | *sigh* thanks, that's real helpful. |
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| 20:31.54 | cmyers_work | way to answer everyhting except the question I am actually asking. |
| 20:31.55 | azeem | cmyers_work: look, nobody knows which versions are effected, if any, ok? |
| 20:32.05 | dustybin | even my VPS provider sent me this message: |
| 20:32.07 | cmyers_work | alright, that is a reasonable answer. thanks. |
| 20:32.09 | dustybin | http://paste.debian.net/plain/41272 |
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| 20:33.27 | ideus | dustybin, did you find the milworn article on that exploit ? |
| 20:33.45 | dustybin | nope |
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| 20:34.19 | dustybin | jesus lord, is it me, or is the world full of terrible coders |
| 20:34.20 | dustybin | http://www.milw0rm.com/remote.php |
| 20:34.24 | luckylucy | g00se: those are the only two users i have setup in staff right now, i am just now starting to set up permissions, and can't figure out why one works and not the other... i guess i could add myself as a third case if needed. |
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| 20:35.59 | ideus | dustybin, no article about openssh since the debian random exploit |
| 20:36.06 | dustybin | another here |
| 20:36.06 | dustybin | http://secer.org/hacktools/0day-openssh-remote-exploit.html |
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| 20:36.49 | g00se | luckylucy: joshnewton should maybe log out and in again |
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| 20:37.02 | azeem | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 306520 Oct 1 2006 /usr/sbin/sshd* |
| 20:37.04 | azeem | yay |
| 20:37.28 | dustybin | im going to switch over from ssh to telnet until the problem is solved :D |
| 20:37.51 | luckylucy | g00se: tried, even did a restart on his laptop. |
| 20:37.57 | Vaske_Helper | why Totem keep opening files iven if I set in gnome default applications that its not default? |
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| 20:38.49 | g00se | luckylucy: Out of ideas at the mo. Best of luck. Back later |
| 20:38.55 | luckylucy | g00se: tx |
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| 20:40.49 | AmritP | hello again everyone |
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| 20:40.57 | AmritP | i'm getting a dpkg error |
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| 20:42.13 | AmritP | "(Reading database ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aporting: files list file for package `laptop-detect` is missing final newline |
| 20:42.17 | AmritP | " |
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| 20:43.24 | azeem | AmritP: your dpkg database is messed up |
| 20:43.25 | AmritP | how do i fix that :s |
| 20:43.31 | AmritP | mmm |
| 20:43.33 | cjae | Hi, anyone know how to spread /home across many drives, I use a ubuntu system and have asked in that channel to no avail, I have their alternate install disc that has the lvm option on it, I have three ide drives two hooked up on an IDE controller cable and one hooked up via a pci sata controller card that has a IDE interface on it |
| 20:43.45 | AmritP | how would i go about fixing it :S |
| 20:44.09 | module000 | AmritP: try dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:44.34 | cjae | I cannot find much info about it |
| 20:44.40 | module000 | AmritP: that assumes you sporked it by ctrl-c'ing during the middle of something |
| 20:45.12 | AmritP | ah module000, i must have done that >.< |
| 20:45.17 | AmritP | and that didn't work |
| 20:45.19 | AmritP | :S |
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| 20:46.13 | cjae | the silly installer seems to only have guided partitioning with lvm and I always have needed manual partitioning, plus I have a drive that has an ext4 filesystem with data on it as well |
| 20:46.17 | Tramp | cjae: sorry, but ubuntu is not supported here. Maybe try ##linux |
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| 20:46.23 | macafe_ | How I can do to run fsck in one NTFS partition? |
| 20:46.48 | module000 | AmritP: when do you get the error? during apt-get update or similar? |
| 20:47.01 | stew | AmritP: the problem is that your /var/lib/dpkg/info/laptop-detect.list got truncated somehow, which is somewhat disturbing. you might be able to fix it with echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/laptop-detect.list && aptitude reinstall laptop-detect ; however it makes one wonder how it ended up that way in the first place |
| 20:47.04 | AmritP | module000: during alpt-get install |
| 20:47.13 | AmritP | bah apt-get install |
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| 20:47.48 | AmritP | apt-get update ran just fine |
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| 20:49.22 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:49.28 | Azrael_- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.44 | azeem | Azrael_-: this is an english channel |
| 20:49.57 | Azrael_- | oh, sorry |
| 20:50.08 | jleedev | !de |
| 20:50.08 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:50.20 | AmritP | module000: ok, everything else ran fine, but when i attempt to apt-get install sudo it just breaks on me, apt-get update runs fine, but i have no clue whats going on >.< |
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| 20:51.05 | Azrael_- | where can i find the pubkey on this ftp in order to import it? |
| 20:51.17 | adb | Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 20:51.44 | module000 | AmritP: check out what stew said above, he diagnosed the problem |
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| 20:52.54 | AmritP | ah must have missed that >.< sorry |
| 20:53.04 | AmritP | let me try that stew |
| 20:53.12 | Azrael_- | thx |
| 20:53.50 | dimedo | help: my xen virtual machine on lenny amd64 has no network connection. the hypervisor is running in bride-network mode with the same os. |
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| 20:54.39 | dimedo | i have a fully configured eth0 adapter with the correct ip but nothing gets through, i can't even ping the hypervisor |
| 20:54.57 | Vaske_Helper | Why Firefox does not show up in ADD/Remove programs? |
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| 20:57.29 | AmritP | aha thanks so much stew! everything seems to be running perfectly! :) thanks again! |
| 20:57.29 | craigevil | Vaske_Helper: firefox=iceweasel |
| 20:58.03 | DevNullnDull | question you all about the man page for sources.list? it reads "The rest of the line can be marked as a comment by using a #." Does he mean "lineS"? |
| 20:58.41 | jleedev | # means comment until end of line |
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| 20:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and no, it really means 'line', there |
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| 21:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | am I the only one who read 'ArmPit' there for a second instead of AmritP ... |
| 21:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rubs his eyes |
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| 21:18.50 | cmyers_work | ugh, I keep getting this weird error that kills my X server: "FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing." |
| 21:19.05 | cmyers_work | install4j seems to cause it often. |
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| 21:20.05 | Vaske_Helper | how to install plugins that help Firefox to open real media automatically by realplayer? |
| 21:20.20 | Vaske_Helper | it always compain that its not preconfigured |
| 21:20.37 | homecable | wget http://joey.ath.cx/pub/freebsd/7.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso |
| 21:20.44 | homecable | tell me what speed u get from my server |
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| 21:21.25 | DevNullnDull | ? do we live with errors in man pages? or is there a way to correct them? I am been reading man pages like crazy latly, and see a lot of errors. sources.list man page is one of the worst for errors. |
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| 21:23.29 | Livo | hello people |
| 21:24.15 | Livo | when i try to start acpid i obtain this error: acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: No such file or directory. What can i do ? |
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| 21:29.11 | adb | Livo: as root ? |
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| 21:30.00 | eldowan | I've got an old etch machine (been online for years, upgraded to etch from the old oldstable or before). Many packages are broken and I am thinking of doing a fresh install to lenny. Clean slate and all that. After backing up /home and xorg.conf fstab and smb.conf would there be any other files to look into backing up to provide the best experience? This is mainly a workstation, daily driver. KDE as the dm. |
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| 21:31.33 | etchUSER | question... for a new computer... how to find if it is i386 or other... I need to order debian DVDs for it |
| 21:31.42 | Livo | adb: yes |
| 21:32.39 | adb | acpid is installed ? |
| 21:32.44 | Livo | yes |
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| 21:33.06 | adb | dpkg -l acpid | grep ii |
| 21:33.06 | dpkg | ii acpid | grep ii 1.7-1.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:33.24 | Livo | ii acpid 1.0.8-1lenny1 Utilities for using ACPI power management |
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| 21:34.06 | eldowan | etchUSER: is it using an intel or AMD cpu? |
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| 21:35.17 | etchUSER | eldowan... it has an Intel sticker on the box :-) |
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| 21:37.21 | Livo | adb: http://pastebin.com/d1093170c |
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| 21:37.33 | adb | i seen .. |
| 21:37.49 | Livo | adb: what can i do ? |
| 21:37.57 | Livo | adb: i have no idea about =( |
| 21:37.58 | kim0 | Hi .. Is there a way to get a preseed file generated from an already finished installation |
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| 21:39.19 | eldowan | etchUSER: consumer intel boxes are usually (read almost always unless you know different) i386 compatable. newer ones may be 64bit enabled. 386 should work without a problem. boot up the machine, and see what processor the bios displays, and we should be able to find a difinitive answer |
| 21:39.32 | Griffith | how to make mc (midnight commander) using utf8 ? |
| 21:40.50 | etchUSER | eldowan thanx... actually, I am seeing that any 64 bit machine can also run amd... I'll just go i386 tho, and much thanks again |
| 21:41.10 | valdyn | !emt64 |
| 21:41.10 | dpkg | intel 64 is probably Intel's clone of AMD64 - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64 (/msg dpkg amd64). This is the platform formally known as em64t. Please ask Intel to make up their minds as to what they want to call it. |
| 21:41.21 | eldowan | etchUSER: glad to be of help |
| 21:41.34 | etchUSER | lol |
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| 21:42.29 | etchUSER | eldowan yes, thanks once more (that LOL was for dpkg) |
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| 21:49.46 | Livo | thanks for help people, see you |
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| 21:57.19 | slurpee | how can I setup syslog to send error messages to my email ? |
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| 21:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /etc/syslog.conf - not much different than xconsole |
| 22:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I've not tried this |
| 22:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and really... it's not such a great idea |
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| 22:00.32 | slurpee | CutMeOwnThroat, why is not a good idea? |
| 22:00.35 | sandygws | Hi everyone, can you help with a Debian 5 x64 / Xorg.conf problem ? |
| 22:00.47 | g00se | !ask |
| 22:00.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | because of the amount of messages |
| 22:01.12 | slurpee | yea but you can filter it |
| 22:01.23 | slurpee | dont need everything |
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| 22:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't see the benefit |
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| 22:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want to look at it, look at the logfiles |
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| 22:01.45 | slurpee | wake up in the morning and notice someone tried logging in as root 1000 times ? |
| 22:01.57 | g00se | msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:02.02 | slurpee | well you can setup syslog-ng to grab logs from all servers, then email you the important logs. |
| 22:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why being flooded with emails would be beneficial |
| 22:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | slurpee, install fail2ban and forget about it :) |
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| 22:02.14 | g00se | SOrry |
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| 22:03.30 | eldowan | Is there a particular reason that I shouldn't use UDF as a filesystem on portable media that will be used on multiple filesystems? It seems that windows xp and up support udf2, as well as linux 2.6 . I figure if all the applicable systems that I come into contact use it, and it supports files >4GB, it would be preferrable to ntfs for the driver issue, and perferrable to vfat for the larger file sizes. |
| 22:03.43 | slurpee | explaining reasons why not to do something is not that same as answering my question ;/ |
| 22:03.59 | slurpee | i am checking out /etc/syslog.conf and dont see anything about emailing messages |
| 22:04.03 | valdyn | eldowan: except that its not an rw filesystem |
| 22:04.11 | valdyn | eldowan: at least linux has no rw support iirc |
| 22:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you see that xconsole is a named pipe |
| 22:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | set cron email you a daily excerpt or so |
| 22:04.54 | eldowan | valdyn: wikipedia shows that 2.6 is able to write, though I guess if I need to ask if I should use it I probably shouldn't... |
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| 22:06.31 | valdyn | eldowan: are you sure it even use a rw fs beside packet writing? |
| 22:07.06 | valdyn | eldowan: ah, nm, its ok from udf 1.5 and up |
| 22:07.33 | sandygws | Perhaps you folks can help: I am unable to startx. My hardware: http://paste.debian.net/41289/ ----- my xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/41287 ----- my Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/41288 |
| 22:07.39 | valdyn | eldowan: looks like a decent enough solution |
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| 22:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 22:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about your wife, your house and your children |
| 22:08.38 | sandygws | ^ They left when I started using Debian :) |
| 22:09.15 | Gratz474 | how can isearch for a string that is in a dir ? |
| 22:09.29 | Gratz474 | file contains this string? |
| 22:09.44 | g00se | grep? |
| 22:09.52 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 22:10.02 | \amethyst | Gratz474: grep -rF string directory |
| 22:10.02 | Gratz474 | grep -R "string" dir/ ?? |
| 22:10.03 | Gratz474 | or no? |
| 22:10.12 | Gratz474 | in quotes? |
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| 22:10.14 | \amethyst | yeah |
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| 22:10.50 | \amethyst | adding -F makes it search for a fixed string instead of a regexp (e.g. "." will match '.' rather than any character) |
| 22:10.54 | eldowan | valdyn: I may try it out and see if I like it better than vfat on a non critical flash drive. I've also read that throughput is reduced through less overhead, but I wouldn't know. |
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| 22:11.51 | fogus2 | how could I see what NICs I have installed? two of them are disabeled so I cannot see them in ifconfig. lsdev doesn't work |
| 22:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ifconfig -a? |
| 22:12.15 | eldowan | Other than /home /etc and /usr/local/* are there any directories I should check before I completely wipe a machine and re-install with lenny? |
| 22:13.02 | cmyers_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | san............ gorn |
| 22:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | people are funny like that |
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| 22:16.11 | hiwk | I have a server connected to a monitor. User adam can startx & and then start x applications, but user bob can not (same DISPLAY variable). where could the problem lie? |
| 22:16.16 | hiwk | hm, don't think this is debian-related, but anyhow |
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| 22:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he used the wrong module... I'd have told him that if he'd not left |
| 22:17.02 | eldowan | cmyers_work: |
| 22:17.07 | eldowan | ^ thanks |
| 22:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, he's not allowed to? |
| 22:17.36 | cmyers_work | no prob |
| 22:17.56 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: how? |
| 22:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | where would we end up if everyone could open windows on someone elses' display? |
| 22:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | or do you say that 'bob' can't run startx? |
| 22:18.42 | hiwk | bob can run startx |
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| 22:19.00 | hiwk | and X starts |
| 22:19.17 | hiwk | with the same messages as when adam runs startx |
| 22:19.49 | [Rimla^ | a good ftp server with traffic reports + graphic stats.png by user exists ? |
| 22:19.56 | hiwk | I've tried to compare the groups of the two users |
| 22:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, sounds good to me? |
| 22:20.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it that does not work... |
| 22:20.15 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: but bob can't start x applications |
| 22:20.23 | hiwk | they simply do not appear |
| 22:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | on his own startx or on adams |
| 22:20.42 | hiwk | his own |
| 22:20.58 | g00se | tail /home/bob/.xsession-errors |
| 22:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what error message do you get? |
| 22:21.56 | hiwk | Xsession: X session started for reibert at Wed Jul 8 00:21:09 CEST 2009 |
| 22:21.59 | hiwk | so none |
| 22:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean when you try to start something that should pop up a window |
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| 22:22.42 | hiwk | no pop up |
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| 22:22.47 | hiwk | nothing happens |
| 22:22.51 | hiwk | with eg xclock |
| 22:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you try to start it? |
| 22:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | start e.g. xterm from a terminal |
| 22:23.53 | hiwk | I have a ssh connection to the server, run startx, set DISPLAY, type xclock [enter] |
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| 22:24.03 | hiwk | it works for adam but not bob |
| 22:24.12 | sanmarcos1 | what is the difference between chmod 01777 and 777? |
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| 22:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos1, try it? :) |
| 22:24.42 | hiwk | I kill the x server between tries so they are not running concurrently |
| 22:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos1, suid/sgid bit |
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| 22:25.31 | lelu | could a load spike on my server mean an attempted attack? |
| 22:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 22:26.09 | ceil420 | yes... |
| 22:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, but the X program runs? |
| 22:26.26 | ceil420 | but it could also be solar flares |
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| 22:26.43 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: well, the process is there |
| 22:26.47 | lelu | jesus 141 unknown invalid account attempts |
| 22:26.48 | sanmarcos1 | sanmarcos1: what does that mean? |
| 22:26.49 | hiwk | but nothing on the monitor |
| 22:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ceil420, wow - that was EXACTLY what I stopped myself from saying |
| 22:26.58 | ceil420 | lol |
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| 22:27.16 | g00se | Maybe X forwarding hasn't been set properly for bob |
| 22:27.18 | lelu | 134 illegal user requests |
| 22:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, install fail2ban |
| 22:27.42 | lelu | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 22:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | he doesn't want to do X forwarding |
| 22:27.50 | lelu | CutMeOwnThroat: ill google it first |
| 22:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, try apt-cache show fail2ban |
| 22:28.00 | DevNullnDull | just to clairify if I add a source to the .list then run apt-get update, then later remove that source from the list, and again run apt-get update, that will remove the available packages from that soruce? |
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| 22:28.09 | [Rimla^ | a good ftp server with traffic reports + graphic stats.png per user exists ? |
| 22:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | DevNullnDull, yes |
| 22:28.35 | hiwk | g00se: I run the programs locally on the server |
| 22:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | DevNullnDull, it will remove the packages from your list of available packages... i.e. from the list of packages you can install |
| 22:29.01 | hiwk | g00se: but if you have any idea on why it could differ between two users, please tell me where to look |
| 22:29.03 | lelu | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, i think its been caused due to this server replacing one which got entirely taken over by hackers thanks to one of my admins using his local library computer to ssh in on root... which I have now banned from anyone outside the local network from accessing |
| 22:29.18 | DevNullnDull | CutMeOwnThroat: load and clear. thanks |
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| 22:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, well, strace both, compare |
| 22:29.54 | DevNullnDull | is there an easy way to know which source a package comes from? |
| 22:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, the only way I see this can happen is when the window *does* pop up somewhere - e.g. when you do X11 forwarding and the window just never arrives due to lag |
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| 22:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, there's only two ways this can go - either you get a window, or you get an error |
| 22:31.29 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: the "x forwarding" is local, so I don't think there is any lag, but the winow could hypothetically be rendered somewhere else (but I have no idea where) |
| 22:31.30 | sylarr | what is netconsole? |
| 22:31.33 | hiwk | I'm running strace |
| 22:31.37 | hiwk | now |
| 22:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you don't get an error ... well, either the error is delayed of you have a window somewhere |
| 22:32.17 | hiwk | no difference bwteen the straces of xclock |
| 22:32.31 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: where would that error appear? .xession*? |
| 22:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just when you call the program |
| 22:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the cli |
| 22:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or your ssh shell |
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| 22:32.56 | hiwk | fuck, failed the strace |
| 22:33.04 | hiwk | piped stdout |
| 22:33.06 | hiwk | wait |
| 22:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... DISPLAY=''; xterm |
| 22:33.11 | ksnp | is there a way to run make; make install but both in background but one after the other ? |
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| 22:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives you xterm Xt error: Can't open display: \n xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
| 22:33.37 | lelu | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know of any good debian security articles/tutorials on how to lock down a server securely? i tried googling for it but found limited help. |
| 22:33.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, (make; make install)& |
| 22:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, it's a lot of work and effort and breaks all kinds of things |
| 22:34.32 | ksnp | cool |
| 22:34.38 | ksnp | thanks |
| 22:34.39 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: no console error |
| 22:34.52 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: lots of strace differences, looking trough it now |
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| 22:35.17 | lelu | CutMeOwnThroat: I suppose my last server did last four years without a break in and the first time was human error... i chose debian all those years ago for its security. |
| 22:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !harden-doc |
| 22:35.26 | dpkg | methinks harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents or apt-get install harden-doc -or- aptitude install harden-doc |
| 22:35.37 | lelu | just wondered if there were any other tools such as logwatch and fail2ban which could be useful? |
| 22:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, ^^^ |
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| 22:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, it all depends on how far you want to go... there are lots of programs... some (like fail2ban) have only minimal impact |
| 22:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, there's e.g. rkhunter, tripwire |
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| 22:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | lelu, some other things that improve security a lot will also limit functionality |
| 22:38.33 | lelu | CutMeOwnThroat: well from what I have just read it should solve the problem of 120+ ssh bruteforce attacks in less than half a minute sending my server into loads of 15 to 55 :) |
| 22:38.52 | lelu | it hosts my blog and a few friends blogs |
| 22:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, fail2ban is nice and effortless |
| 22:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's one of the things I run |
| 22:39.40 | lelu | from what I can tell it works out the box right? |
| 22:39.46 | sanmarcos1 | why is the sticky bit also called the sguid/setuid bit? |
| 22:40.01 | fogus2 | how could I see what NICs I have installed? two of them are disabeled so I cannot see them in ifconfig. lsdev doesn't work. I don't see the device in /dev/. |
| 22:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but even that can be really annoying, when you set up something new and lock yourself out without noticing it... |
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| 22:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos1, ops, I apologize - I misread your octal there, then - they're not |
| 22:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos1, sticky is used in /tmp to prevent people from deleting other peoples files |
| 22:41.53 | hiwk | bleh, can't really find anything useful in strace. most differences seems to be memory adresses and magic numbers |
| 22:41.55 | kanon-mat | aren't sticky, sguid and setuid different bits? |
| 22:41.56 | lelu | Pure-FTPd is probably the best ftp service I have used |
| 22:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sanmarcos1, 'man chmod' talks on all that in detail |
| 22:42.06 | sanmarcos1 | info chmod you mean, GNU uses that info shit |
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| 22:42.14 | hiwk | adam, the sucessfull user, have some more reads |
| 22:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanon-mat, yes... but I mixed them up when he showed an octal representation |
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| 22:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just looked at my manpage, and that seems detailed enough |
| 22:42.58 | kanon-mat | i still dont know if they are the last or the first octal, man chmod didnt say |
| 22:42.59 | cmyers_work | fogus2: lspci -v | less and look for your chipset. |
| 22:43.07 | kanon-mat | looking again... |
| 22:44.14 | kanon-mat | seems like the 1st |
| 22:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanon-mat, "info coreutils chmod" |
| 22:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | info chmod only goes back to the manpage |
| 22:44.49 | kanon-mat | ah, ty |
| 22:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that doesn't look like more information |
| 22:45.40 | hiwk | alternatively, how do I allow bob to run applications on adams x server? |
| 22:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, /msg dpkg xauth |
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| 22:46.30 | dipplum | excuse me, is this the official debian channel? |
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| 22:48.08 | macman_ | hello all .. ijust downloaded a flv file and want to convert so i can play it in my home dvd system .. is there anything ou there that can do this in like a 1 step proccess ? |
| 22:48.08 | kanon-mat | dipplum: there is also a #debian channel on oftc |
| 22:48.14 | hiwk | hm, with adam running 'xhost +', bob can start x applications |
| 22:48.24 | hiwk | on adams x server |
| 22:48.33 | fogus2 | cmyers_work: lspci not found. |
| 22:49.33 | jpinx | macman_: if you get the video using clive it's automagically in .mp4 |
| 22:49.33 | adb | fogus2: pciutils installed ? |
| 22:49.54 | fogus2 | adb: doing so... |
| 22:51.41 | macman_ | jpinx what do you mean ? |
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| 22:52.07 | dipplum | kanon-mat: thanks, this one has more people, :-) |
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| 22:53.28 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: I still can't explain why, but I found a diffrence that worked: bob lacked an explicit .xinitrc, so the system reverted to some default (visually inseperable from the specifiec wmaker) |
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| 22:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, what does ls -ls $HOME/.Xauthority show you for bob? |
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| 22:54.41 | imduffy15 | Does anybody know how to play the C major scale using pcspkr and beep? |
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| 22:56.15 | CeleronInside | I have a virus/kernel rootkit after updating Debian! |
| 22:56.21 | CeleronInside | This is PowerPC 720. |
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| 22:56.44 | CeleronInside | There is a rootkit logo in the framebuffer during kernel boot. |
| 22:56.45 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: -rw------- 1 bob bob 152 2009-07-08 00:52 .Xauthority |
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| 22:57.20 | hiwk | CutMeOwnThroat: but it must be that the default didn't start wmaker properly for some reason |
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| 22:57.35 | hiwk | if a user lacks a .xinitrc, what happens then? |
| 22:57.51 | Jubei | hello. could somebody tell me if the system distinguishes between hostname and domain , and if so how would I see which is configured on my system. I checked /etc/hostname but it lists the entire domain name. Should the /etc/hostname file just state the host, i.e. myserver then the domain be configured at some other point? |
| 22:57.59 | CeleronInside | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hiwk, nowthing much... I don't have one |
| 22:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... like... install windows? |
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| 22:58.55 | CeleronInside | I am serious. When I load the kernel on my Macintosh computer, I have a penguin where kernel DMESG should be! |
| 22:59.09 | streuner_ | Dont feed! |
| 22:59.15 | kanon-mat | if there is no ~/.xinitrc, there is a global there is a /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 22:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I must admit though, that I don't understand that |
| 22:59.52 | CeleronInside | Seriously, how do I get rid of the pengiun logo at startup? |
| 22:59.58 | kanon-mat | some distros show a logo while booting |
| 23:00.10 | dondelelcaro | CeleronInside: it's just what is shown by default when you're using> -- |
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| 23:00.23 | dondelelcaro | CeleronInside: it's just what is shown by default when you're using fbdev; no point in worrying about it. |
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| 23:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | when I log in via gdm, I always get my fvwm2 - when I run startx -- :1, then I either get no WM at all, or I get gnome... |
| 23:00.42 | CeleronInside | Can I turn it off? |
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| 23:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never really tried to find out what's happening there |
| 23:00.51 | CeleronInside | Without recompiling |
| 23:00.54 | streuner_ | no |
| 23:01.06 | adb | CeleronInside: uname -r , says |
| 23:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Jubei -about hostname |
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| 23:01.25 | Jubei | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^ |
| 23:01.32 | CeleronInside | 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
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| 23:01.41 | kanon-mat | CeleronInside: do you have a ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 23:01.51 | lelu | omg i am so spaced on coffee |
| 23:01.57 | CeleronInside | I don't have X installed (and don't want it). |
| 23:01.59 | Jubei | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. |
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| 23:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jubei, just the name of the system - the FQDN is only assembled with the DNS entry |
| 23:02.17 | lelu | for some reason logcheck isn't sending emails to my address |
| 23:02.23 | kanon-mat | nvm :) |
| 23:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and as the factoid tells you, you can also put it in /etc/hosts for when you don't have DNS or to override DNS) |
| 23:02.42 | lelu | even though in /etc/logcheck/logcheck.conf i set the email to mine |
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| 23:03.24 | lelu | actually it seems nothing on this server can sendmail |
| 23:03.27 | lelu | ... |
| 23:03.39 | pandrew | hey guys! what do you think about the debian unofficial repository? is it safe? |
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| 23:03.50 | CeleronInside | pandrew: It is non-free. |
| 23:04.04 | CeleronInside | Well, I give up. I am stuck with the penguin. |
| 23:04.14 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you meah... http://dark.debian.hax0rs.net lenny non-free? |
| 23:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | CeleronInside, lure it with fish! |
| 23:04.42 | streuner_ | pandrew: basically i would use offical repos only |
| 23:04.56 | pandrew | CeleronInside: i understand that. But is the person(s) who is keeping it running known and trusted in the debian world? are there chances i'm getting some kind of malicious software installed? |
| 23:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | CeleronInside, or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (if you use grub) |
| 23:05.28 | CeleronInside | No GRUB on PowerPC. |
| 23:05.33 | adb | CeleronInside: Power Macintosh 7200 ? |
| 23:05.35 | ariel | Hi, I know that with debian testing you can't expect everything working, but just in case I'm spoiling something, anyone has compiz working on debian Squeeze with gnome?, thanks |
| 23:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, forogot about the ppc twist |
| 23:05.48 | CeleronInside | I have yaboot. |
| 23:06.03 | adb | not .. |
| 23:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yaboot or ya don't boot |
| 23:06.07 | adb | BootX |
| 23:06.19 | CeleronInside | Maybe I can pass a certain parameter to the kernel. |
| 23:06.31 | streuner_ | its compiled into kernel... |
| 23:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah like nopenguin=true |
| 23:06.49 | CeleronInside | Really? |
| 23:07.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do I know... I don't have penguins |
| 23:07.14 | streuner_ | whats wrong to see a penguin at all? |
| 23:07.29 | streuner_ | likes penguins |
| 23:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_, everything, if you're at the equator |
| 23:07.32 | CeleronInside | I'll pass vga=791, which will make it less annoying. |
| 23:08.07 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, you wanna tell me about the future? :-P |
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| 23:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ach well, I think right now we're more on the global warming trip, though :) |
| 23:09.31 | streuner_ | CeleronInside: as we already told you, you need to compile the kernel itself in order to see that penguin never again, its default in Debian :-) |
| 23:09.52 | CeleronInside | I refuse to recompile, that is so Gentoo-like. |
| 23:10.08 | CeleronInside | Which is more annoying than the penguin caracature. |
| 23:10.14 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.15 | CeleronInside | I'll live with the pengion. |
| 23:10.16 | robin_sz | manages to get a java console in Iceweavil |
| 23:10.23 | robin_sz | w00t! |
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| 23:10.52 | CeleronInside | Actually, it is PowerPC 750X |
| 23:10.55 | CeleronInside | Might be G4. |
| 23:11.03 | sirkit32 | you mean you have alittle penguin show up when you boot? |
| 23:11.03 | robin_sz | the secret is ... to run jcontrol, the java control panel and enable it from there |
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| 23:11.10 | CeleronInside | 600MHz |
| 23:11.24 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:11.32 | robin_sz | penguin? |
| 23:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | as secrets go, this one looks a little boring |
| 23:11.43 | robin_sz | oh come come ... |
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| 23:11.57 | robin_sz | its taken ages to figure that one out |
| 23:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, in this case... |
| 23:12.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win robin_sz |
| 23:12.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, robin_sz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:12.26 | robin_sz | blushes |
| 23:12.37 | robin_sz | err hmm ... 2nd prize? |
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| 23:12.47 | robin_sz | how many ppl were in this? |
| 23:12.49 | streuner_ | out of 100 people :-) |
| 23:12.57 | robin_sz | oh thats pretty good then |
| 23:13.01 | streuner_ | would be nasty if its only 2 |
| 23:13.05 | robin_sz | nods |
| 23:13.17 | luke3321 | Not as bad as second of one |
| 23:13.17 | robin_sz | and even worse if the winner was butt ugly |
| 23:13.27 | streuner_ | hehe, true :-) |
| 23:13.39 | robin_sz | so, I shall put that down as positive then. |
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| 23:14.14 | streuner_ | yes, always think positive, but always be careful :-) |
| 23:14.19 | robin_sz | jcontrol from the sun-java6 package is most excellent, all sorts of settign to mess up inthere |
| 23:14.36 | streuner_ | which is sometimes hard |
| 23:14.42 | CeleronInside | !win RichardStallmen |
| 23:14.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, RichardStallmen! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 23:14.43 | robin_sz | nods |
| 23:14.47 | CeleronInside | !win RichardStallmen |
| 23:15.05 | robin_sz | s/men/man/ |
| 23:15.26 | CeleronInside | wanted to see: Congratulations, RichardStallmen! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:16.19 | robin_sz | anyway, I now have iceweasel, on lenny, with a java console .. im happy, and also .. im now off to Sweden .. |
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| 23:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_, good that you didn't tell him he was the only participant... |
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| 23:18.17 | luke3321 | So I was right, second of one |
| 23:18.22 | luke3321 | haha |
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| 23:20.23 | firespeaker | using stock kernels (from unstable) and self-compiled kernels on an Acer Aspire One, acpid and kacpi_notify eat processor cycles when my laptop lid is closed |
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| 23:20.40 | luke3321 | Can anyone confirm that when shutting down gdm from tty1, tty2 etc.. It prints a whole lot of whitespace before saying done? |
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| 23:22.13 | ajavid | what would be the bash command to do the following: for i in *; (if the symbolic link is broken, rm it); done |
| 23:22.16 | ajavid | ? |
| 23:22.48 | ajavid | or should I ask in #bash? |
| 23:23.12 | ajavid | im in a directory full of symbolic links, some are broken cuz i deleted the files elsewhere |
| 23:23.19 | ajavid | so not sure how to do this in one shot |
| 23:23.47 | ajavid | say if to use 'find', using find, how can i say that if the symbolic link is broken? |
| 23:24.42 | ajavid | I'm reading about the -L switch but its confusing yet |
| 23:25.35 | petemc | find . -type l |
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| 23:26.03 | DevNullnDull | do many of you use netselect(and/or -apt) for deb repos? |
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| 23:26.14 | ajavid | petemc, it lists all of them, I only want to list the broken ones |
| 23:26.33 | luke3321 | ajavid: find . -L -type l |
| 23:26.36 | luke3321 | a guess |
| 23:26.41 | luke3321 | but it might work |
| 23:26.41 | ajavid | same ouput man |
| 23:26.43 | ajavid | I already di dit |
| 23:26.48 | luke3321 | ah |
| 23:26.49 | petemc | ajavid: right, you can then pipe that through something to test they exist |
| 23:26.54 | luke3321 | well then i dont know |
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| 23:27.01 | petemc | [ -e $foo ] |
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| 23:27.06 | ajavid | hm |
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| 23:27.22 | ajavid | no luke3321 actually I had not tried it |
| 23:27.29 | ajavid | I originally did find -L . |
| 23:27.40 | ajavid | when I append -type l the broken ones show |
| 23:27.55 | ajavid | maybe I am not understanding find |
| 23:28.16 | petemc | the man page is, as manpages often are, terse |
| 23:28.21 | hans0lo | A few weeks ago, I noticed that when I plug in a flash drive, it auto-mounts to two places. /media/usb0, and /media/disk-1 -- What is causing this? (HAL?), and can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:28.25 | ajavid | symbolic link; this is never true if the -L option or the -follow option is in effect, unless the symbolic link is broken. If you want to search for symbolic links when -L is in effect, use -xtype. |
| 23:28.55 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: a broken link doesn't point anywhere, so its xtype is l (or its type of -L is in effect) |
| 23:28.57 | luke3321 | ajavid: find -L . -type l |
| 23:28.59 | luke3321 | that works |
| 23:29.02 | luke3321 | I just tried it |
| 23:29.07 | dondelelcaro | or you> -- |
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| 23:29.25 | ajavid | luke3321, I just update you, yes it did work, and now I try to understand |
| 23:29.33 | luke3321 | Ah |
| 23:30.07 | luke3321 | Sorry, didnt read what I missed while trying it. |
| 23:30.12 | ajavid | oh I see I understand now |
| 23:30.28 | ajavid | it says its not true (-l) if you specify -L so you have to specify -L and then -type l |
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| 23:31.03 | ajavid | I think I'll read more |
| 23:32.06 | ajavid | find -L . -type l | xargs rm (I still need to understand more but I will come back later with more question if i do have some) |
| 23:32.10 | ajavid | thanks guys |
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| 23:33.50 | luke3321 | Anyone confirm that there is alot of whitespace printed to the terminal (tty1 specifically) when stopping gdm? |
| 23:33.55 | luke3321 | Or is it just me? |
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| 23:35.37 | hans0lo | luke3321: Doesn't do it on my setup. Running Debian squeeze |
| 23:35.47 | ajavid | I use kdm |
| 23:36.29 | luke3321 | hans0lo: Really? Once gdm is started and you jump to tty1 with gdm still running, do you see only a blank screen? |
| 23:36.54 | hans0lo | luke3321: No, I see the end of the dmesg, and a login: prompt |
| 23:37.07 | jpinx | hans0lo: that's whacky |
| 23:37.15 | ajavid | !ping |
| 23:37.15 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
| 23:37.21 | ajavid | oh finally, great |
| 23:37.22 | luke3321 | It's official, my install hates me |
| 23:37.30 | hans0lo | luke3321: Only thing odd is that when I /etc/init.d/gdm stop, from, say tty2, it automatically takes me to tty1 |
| 23:37.53 | luke3321 | hans0lo: Yeah, It has done that for a while, a little annoying, but I can deal |
| 23:38.18 | hans0lo | luke3321: but then again, I'm still running on the first Debian installation I did back in 2002, and have been upgrading all the while. |
| 23:38.53 | luke3321 | hans0lo: Thats what I thought the problem was, but it shows on my fresh install of squeeze also |
| 23:39.00 | hans0lo | luke3321: Which I think may be a problem since I'm having some strange issues with auto mounting flash drives and nautilus refuses to show status windows when I move/copy files. |
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| 23:39.49 | luke3321 | hans0lo: Hm, my problem is purely aesthetic, if I press enter at tty1 after the blank screen, it is fine |
| 23:40.10 | luke3321 | It doesnt actually break anything |
| 23:41.13 | hans0lo | Anyone know what package is responsible for auto-mounting flash disks in Gnome? |
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| 23:41.49 | luke3321 | hans0lo: My guess would be something nautilus, but that could be way off |
| 23:42.04 | jpinx | hans0lo: udev ? |
| 23:42.09 | luke3321 | Or that |
| 23:42.11 | jpinx | jpinx is guessing too |
| 23:42.21 | hans0lo | luke3321: I guess I'll add a new user account and see if nautilus is hosed system-wide or just my user. |
| 23:42.50 | luke3321 | hans0lo: My guess is that it is not, but it may be. Let me know what you find |
| 23:44.12 | luke3321 | suddenly realizes that his sponsor for keytouch has been MIA for a few days... Time to go searching |
| 23:46.02 | hans0lo | Yay for Xnest. I didn't have to log out to test it. It's just my user account. dang. |
| 23:46.13 | hans0lo | Time to delete some .folders |
| 23:46.26 | luke3321 | hans0lo: That fixes everything! ;) |
| 23:46.40 | gnz11 | hans0lo: the 2 mounts- does your flash hve U3 on it? that's what the first mount is -the u3 and win reformat. the second is the actual space on your drive |
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| 23:47.06 | hans0lo | gnz11: No, it's standard VFAT/FAT32 |
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| 23:47.36 | hans0lo | gnz11: It mounts my flash drive to /media/usb0 and /media/disk-1 -- neither of whcih are writable by my user |
| 23:48.01 | hans0lo | gnz11: Oh, and there is only one partition on the drive. |
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| 23:49.23 | gnz11 | what's on usb0, disk1 |
| 23:49.46 | hans0lo | gnz11: the exact same filesystem. Same folders and files. |
| 23:50.14 | hans0lo | /dev/sda1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime) |
| 23:50.14 | hans0lo | /dev/sda1 on /media/disk-3 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000) |
| 23:50.31 | hans0lo | ^^ Just re-inserted. This is what mount says. |
| 23:51.19 | ajavid | luke3321, keytouch on stable is not working for me |
| 23:51.24 | ajavid | luke3321, I don't suppose you wanna hear about it |
| 23:51.32 | luke3321 | ajavid: Go for it |
| 23:51.32 | hans0lo | if I tell nautilus to umount the drive, it only unmounts /media/disk-3 |
| 23:52.01 | hans0lo | and of course compalins about not being able to unmount the volume |
| 23:52.39 | hans0lo | (it seems almost that there are two services trying to manage USB disks/auto mounting) |
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| 23:53.34 | gnz11 | could be |
| 23:53.52 | luke3321 | hans0lo: That has happened to me before... |
| 23:54.07 | luke3321 | Actually, I think it was the same service doing the same thing twice... |
| 23:54.14 | luke3321 | but still annoying |
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| 23:54.31 | hans0lo | Woudl someone mind pastebinning their /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_usbmount.rules for me to compare mine to? |
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| 23:55.00 | gnz11 | not sure w/debian but try to unmount usb from console |
| 23:55.34 | ajavid | luke3321, I have stable version. Lenny. I have HP Keyboard. I have edited it and configured it properly. (I have been using keytouch for years, before you decided to package it -- so you know I'm not a noob with it). A few buttons refuse to work at all. For example, back/forward/stop/play (media controls) do not function at all. The only one is amixer up/down (for volume) I am using plugin Amarok and its various actions for those buttons. ... |
| 23:55.36 | luke3321 | hans0lo: that file doesnt exist on my comp |
| 23:55.40 | ajavid | ... I've save the keybaord file, and restarted keytouch daemon. Those keys will still not work. Mail key opens Kmail compose so thats fine. Search button opens up kde find file application, good. Internet button using WWW-Browser plugin, action Home, not working. Info is set to launch command /usr/bin/khelpcenter (not working). Eject CDROM (run program /usr/bin/eject) not working, burn cd/dvd (set to launch protram /usr/bin/k3b) not working. ... |
| 23:55.44 | hans0lo | gnz11: I can, as root unmount the volume from both mountpoints.. then I can click the drive icon to re-mount it in nautrilus, which works fine, with the exception of it giving an error on unmount. |
| 23:55.45 | killown | hey,, how I do to install firefox 3.5? I don't want icewealsel |
| 23:55.47 | ajavid | ... I am stumped, as afaik everything should be configured properly, apparantly not. |
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| 23:56.09 | hans0lo | killown: Iceweasel is firefox with a different face. |
| 23:56.31 | killown | hans0lo, I know but it says 3.0.6 version |
| 23:56.39 | killown | I want newest version |
| 23:56.48 | ajavid | luke3321, hopefuly you caught all that... |
| 23:57.19 | hans0lo | http://pastebin.com/d3619c273 < there's my udev usb rules. does that first line look funny to you? |
| 23:57.27 | luke3321 | ajavid: Yep, I did. Now you sure all those keys are configured in your keyboard file? Not suggesting you are noob, but you may have forgotten |
| 23:57.37 | ajavid | luke3321, remind me again |
| 23:57.45 | ajavid | luke3321, just to knock out all the obvious stuff |
| 23:57.53 | hans0lo | killown: you on 32 or 64 bit? |
| 23:58.01 | killown | hans0lo, 32 |
| 23:58.05 | ajavid | luke3321, my keyboard file is fine afaict, I'll paste the file if you want |
| 23:58.17 | luke3321 | ajavid: That would be helpful |
| 23:58.31 | ajavid | luke3321, where would the file be located? |
| 23:58.49 | luke3321 | Whereever you saved it |
| 23:58.53 | ajavid | luke3321, lol. |
| 23:58.59 | hans0lo | killown: I googled debian firefox 3.5 and this came up: http://markshroyer.com/blog/2009/07/firefox-35-debian-amd64.html |
| 23:59.05 | luke3321 | Yeah, that wasnt that helpful was it |
| 23:59.06 | ajavid | just messing with you man.. I couldn't help it |
| 23:59.07 | ajavid | :) |
| 23:59.15 | luke3321 | Oh gee thanks |
| 23:59.17 | ajavid | its alright, you came back |
| 23:59.17 | hans0lo | killown: looks like a pain in the ass. You'll have to weed out the 64 bit stuff though |
| 23:59.19 | ajavid | lol |
| 23:59.20 | ajavid | brb |
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| 23:59.50 | killown | hmmm |
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