| 00:00.25 | lelu | anyone know how to setup sendmail so it works with php at the moment im getting failed to verify: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 00:00.33 | ajavid | luke3321, http://paste.debian.net/41296/ |
| 00:00.45 | luke3321 | Okay, lemme look at it |
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| 00:01.11 | ajavid | luke3321, I configurd it via keytouch editor, started a new keyboard from scratch |
| 00:01.34 | lelu | when i try to set up sendmail it only gives me the selection to use smarthost to sendmail but then it still wont send |
| 00:01.36 | ajavid | luke3321, apparantly it also detected the keyboard event and all the extra key's scancodes |
| 00:01.36 | luke3321 | ajavid: Okay, and you wanted the play/pause etc.. to control amarok? |
| 00:01.46 | luke3321 | It will do that ;) |
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| 00:01.49 | ajavid | luke3321, read my orignal long message, its in there |
| 00:01.54 | ajavid | luke3321, the stuff that doesn't work |
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| 00:02.09 | ajavid | luke3321, I meant to say it correctly detected :) |
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| 00:02.29 | luke3321 | ajavid: Ah, well your keyboard file is set to have play/pause and such to control XMMS |
| 00:02.33 | luke3321 | Not Amarok |
| 00:02.40 | th0ger | Hi! My kbd-layout suddenly changed from dk to us(i think). But only in X, console is ok. The xfce kbd chooser only has 'us' available. What's going on here? dkpg-reconfigure only affects console, and xorg.conf has XkbLayout=dk. |
| 00:02.45 | ajavid | luke3321, I just set it to amarok and savd |
| 00:02.50 | ajavid | why did it not save my file |
| 00:03.01 | ajavid | luke3321, I saw that, I put in explicity amarok, how did it get changed to xmms |
| 00:03.10 | adb | plugin-name>XMMS</plugin-name> |
| 00:03.14 | magnuX | hans0lo, does firefox 3.5 works for you? I think it eats too much CPU |
| 00:03.31 | ajavid | and I just edited my file again, chose amarok, saved, restarted keytouch and still not working |
| 00:03.34 | ajavid | wtf is up! |
| 00:03.43 | lelu | anyone going to help me? |
| 00:03.44 | hans0lo | magnuX: I'm using iceweasel |
| 00:03.54 | magnuX | hans0lo, me too :) |
| 00:03.59 | ajavid | in keytouch it shows amarok, not xmms |
| 00:04.02 | luke3321 | ajavid: Hold up, I am going to edit your keyboard file and pastebin it |
| 00:04.04 | ajavid | I Can take a screenshot |
| 00:04.07 | jpinx | magnuX: I am using swiftfox with a 500MHs PIII |
| 00:04.14 | hans0lo | magnuX: I heard 3.5 was supposed to be faster |
| 00:04.36 | hans0lo | jpinx: omg, time to upgrade. LOL |
| 00:04.42 | luke3321 | keytouch-editor can sometimes be a little weird about saving the files. It is very picky |
| 00:04.46 | ajavid | luke3321, why is my keybaord file not being updated |
| 00:05.07 | luke3321 | ajavid: you are root, right? |
| 00:05.11 | ajavid | goooosefraba |
| 00:05.16 | jpinx | hans0lo: it's working fine |
| 00:05.22 | luke3321 | ajavid: ? |
| 00:05.24 | ajavid | luke3321, I launched it via the kde 3.5.10 menu entry it asked for a password I put it in and it came up |
| 00:05.33 | luke3321 | ajavid: Hm. okay |
| 00:05.38 | ajavid | gooseframa is a word I say to help me calm down |
| 00:05.49 | luke3321 | Try save as and save over the file |
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| 00:05.58 | ajavid | save as? |
| 00:06.15 | magnuX | I heard there is a swiftweasel |
| 00:06.22 | ajavid | linkd, there is no save as option |
| 00:06.26 | ajavid | luke3321, no option |
| 00:06.45 | luke3321 | In keytouch editor, it stats up, and you go File-> Open and open the keyboard file, correct? |
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| 00:06.49 | ajavid | luke3321, also, in keytouch editor, how do i open this file and re edit it, the only place i can edit this is in keytouch |
| 00:06.49 | luke3321 | *starts |
| 00:06.52 | ajavid | let me see |
| 00:06.59 | quentusrex | anyone know of a RAID-5 tutorial that is pure command line? |
| 00:07.11 | hans0lo | I think I may have found out my USB problem. apt-file says that no package provides /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_usbmount.rules -- Perhaps I should try removing it and restarting |
| 00:07.22 | luke3321 | ajavid: You start keytouch editor like you are making a new keyboard, then go to File->Open |
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| 00:07.39 | jpinx | hans0lo: is there a dpkg -reconfigure for that? |
| 00:08.05 | luke3321 | hans0lo: Try that, I have no /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_usbmount.rules |
| 00:08.09 | ajavid | luke3321, my old keyboard file is fantastic :) it worked perfectly in the older version, the H7630, that one is mine ;) |
| 00:08.31 | hans0lo | luke3321: trying the reconfigure |
| 00:08.48 | luke3321 | ajavid: Hm well from the keyboard file you just pastebinned, you need to change XMMs to Amarok |
| 00:08.58 | DevNullnDull | is there a better way to check package dependencies then using "apt-cache showpkg bar" |
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| 00:09.35 | hans0lo | Ahh, it's a symlink.. Do ya have a /etc/udev/usbmount.rules? |
| 00:09.42 | ajavid | hang on |
| 00:09.58 | ajavid | luke3321, what is the keycode option |
| 00:10.01 | magnuX | anyone knows if there is a plugin in pidgin for exaile? |
| 00:10.05 | ajavid | luke3321, its got so many it makes little sense to me |
| 00:10.13 | ajavid | luke3321, its a huge long dro pdown |
| 00:10.22 | jpinx | magnuX: try #pidgin |
| 00:10.25 | ajavid | luke3321, thats new to me |
| 00:10.31 | luke3321 | ajavid: Ignore that. |
| 00:10.37 | luke3321 | It sets that automatically |
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| 00:10.43 | luke3321 | Based on what action you pick |
| 00:11.15 | ajavid | luke3321, if its already set, how to clear it I think I originally set the wrong one |
| 00:11.50 | luke3321 | ajavid: Well just change it to the option that most matches what you want it to do |
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| 00:13.07 | ajavid | alright lets try |
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| 00:14.13 | xlotlu | is there any security risk for adduser --disabled-password / passwd -d? i thought the user simply can't log in with a password, but can login with kerberos / ssh pubkeyauth / whatever, but passwd -l puzzles me |
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| 00:15.17 | adb | DevNullnDull: apt-rdepends - Recursively lists package dependencies |
| 00:15.41 | th0ger | I'm trying to emulate scsi with an ide-burner. But ide-scsi isn't available as module (debian 2.6.29 standard kernel). Has it been replaced by something else?? |
| 00:16.35 | luke3321 | ajavid: This should fix the multimedia keys: http://paste.debian.net/41297/ |
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| 00:16.51 | luke3321 | ajavid: Just replace your keyboard file with that, and then restart keytouch |
| 00:17.01 | ajavid | luke3321, http://paste.debian.net/41298/ |
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| 00:17.12 | ajavid | luke3321, you didn't have to do all that |
| 00:17.20 | ajavid | luke3321, thank you so much, but I think I got it |
| 00:17.32 | luke3321 | ajavid: No problem |
| 00:17.34 | scgtrp | how do i make klibc drop to a shell when booting instead of starting init? |
| 00:17.38 | ajavid | luke3321, let me see what you got |
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| 00:18.01 | luke3321 | ajavid: What I just pasted is what you just pasted ;) |
| 00:18.21 | luke3321 | More or less |
| 00:18.35 | ajavid | $>diff documents/paste_41297 documents/HP.keyboard |
| 00:18.36 | ajavid | 4c4 |
| 00:18.36 | ajavid | < <last-change format="%d-%m-%Y">16-06-2009</last-change> |
| 00:18.40 | ajavid | pretty much |
| 00:18.40 | ajavid | :) |
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| 00:19.19 | luke3321 | yep |
| 00:19.28 | luke3321 | but you beat me to the diff |
| 00:19.35 | luke3321 | I was just about to do that |
| 00:19.45 | DevNullnDull | adb: do you mean apt-get rdepends? i dont see a command for apt-rdepends? |
| 00:19.47 | xlotlu | th0ger: probably sr_mod |
| 00:20.15 | adb | DevNullnDull: install it |
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| 00:21.19 | luke3321 | ajavid: At first I thought you were going to have the infamous missing keycode problem. That is something I have been working on, and just cannot fix for the life of me |
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| 00:21.36 | adb | azeem has quit |
| 00:21.45 | adb | luke3321: ^^ |
| 00:22.39 | luke3321 | adb: Was that fist comment for me also? |
| 00:23.45 | adb | yes |
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| 00:24.15 | luke3321 | adb: But I wasnt talking to azeem... |
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| 00:24.55 | adb | oh , sorry |
| 00:25.02 | luke3321 | Haha its cool |
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| 00:26.45 | abrotman | rahsputin: you could have asked me in here, which i prefer |
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| 00:27.35 | ajavid | goddam, my neice pulled out the router cable |
| 00:27.40 | ajavid | uff. its just something or another man |
| 00:27.45 | ajavid | fuck. |
| 00:27.59 | rahsputin | abrotman: i thought that a sarge question would depreciated here |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | is pretty sure ajavid is an at least one offtopic question |
| 00:28.05 | rahsputin | hi, i have a Toshiba Satellite 110CT i586( Pentium 75 - 200 GenuineIntel 100MHz ) 40 RAM, 2.4.27-4-586tsc Kernel, Sarge ... i once installed Etch to it and it froze everytime on boot, and i also installed a custom 2.6.26.5 kernel to it (Sarge) with the same results as in Etch... is there a way to install a 2.6.x kernel at all ? what options did etch and soforth disable in the 2.6.x-kernels that makes it "impossible" to run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:28.05 | ajavid | luke3321, http://paste.debian.net/41299/ |
| 00:28.10 | ajavid | luke3321, here is the final keybaord file |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | rahsputin: i'd still not rather get a msg without an invite |
| 00:28.22 | ajavid | dude serously fuck off right now. |
| 00:28.31 | abrotman | ajavid: stop being offtopic all the time |
| 00:28.35 | ajavid | luke3321, its pretty much the same as before |
| 00:28.40 | ajavid | fuck off |
| 00:28.42 | ajavid | im not |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | yes, you are |
| 00:28.48 | rahsputin | abrotman: whats a invite? |
| 00:29.00 | ajavid | whatever man |
| 00:29.01 | abrotman | rahsputin: a request for you to msg me or you asking me to allow it ... |
| 00:29.05 | luke3321 | ajavid: Yep, that looks good, as long as it works, thats all that matters |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | rahsputin: did you try the 2.6 kernel in sarge ? |
| 00:29.25 | ajavid | abrotman, 2 minutes before you came, I got offline cuz of that, and luke3321 was helping me, I told him what happened |
| 00:29.28 | ajavid | serously FUCK OFF |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | seriously .. knock it off |
| 00:29.43 | ajavid | god. |
| 00:29.43 | ajavid | luke3321, its not working |
| 00:29.49 | ajavid | ignored. |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | a "sorry, i got disconnected" would have sufficed |
| 00:29.56 | luke3321 | ajavid: It isnt? |
| 00:29.57 | rahsputin | abrotman: yes |
| 00:30.00 | ajavid | luke3321, no sir |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | rahsputin: same thing ? |
| 00:30.07 | rahsputin | abrotman: yes |
| 00:30.18 | luke3321 | ajavid: Really, and you have restarted keytouch? |
| 00:30.25 | ajavid | luke3321, none of the ones in media work |
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| 00:30.34 | abrotman | rahsputin: did you look on the linux-laptop.net site ? |
| 00:30.38 | ajavid | stop button pulls the volume down in a totally diff plugin/app it seems |
| 00:30.45 | ajavid | luke3321, yes |
| 00:31.00 | ajavid | luke3321, sudo /etc/init.d/keytouch restart |
| 00:31.06 | rahsputin | abrotman: not yet |
| 00:31.26 | luke3321 | ajavid: .... Well that is interesting behaviour. If your keyboard file is what you just pastebinned, it should work |
| 00:31.33 | ajavid | luke3321, its not |
| 00:31.34 | digifor | I am confused about getting a host only adaptor to work on a virtualbox guest. |
| 00:31.47 | ajavid | luke3321, I look at the config its fine, everything is seemingly fine, just a couple of buttons work |
| 00:31.55 | digifor | host debian, guest debian |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | rahsputin: what's the model again? |
| 00:32.00 | ajavid | luke3321, and im sure keytouch detected the right keycodes but the actions are bad for some readon |
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| 00:32.17 | luke3321 | ajavid: What version of keytouch? |
| 00:32.22 | ajavid | one from stable in amd64 |
| 00:32.36 | ajavid | keytouch: Installed: 2.3.2-2.1 |
| 00:32.42 | digifor | ifconfig on the host shows vboxnet0 |
| 00:32.48 | ajavid | judd versions keytouch |
| 00:32.49 | judd | ajavid: keytouch -- etch: 2.2.2-2 lenny: 2.3.2-2.1 sid: 2.4.1-1 squeeze: 2.4.1-1 |
| 00:32.56 | ajavid | yup |
| 00:33.10 | luke3321 | ajavid: I see. And judd nailed it. The version in stable is so old. |
| 00:33.12 | abrotman | rahsputin: i don't see an satellite 110CT .. sure that' sthe model ? |
| 00:33.23 | ajavid | luke3321, so I should backport? |
| 00:33.48 | digifor | on the guest it says adaptor 2 host only adaptor cable connected |
| 00:33.52 | ajavid | luke3321, I'm backporting right now, lets see what happens in the new version |
| 00:33.59 | luke3321 | ajavid: It is definantaly worth a shot. And a restart to make absolutely sure that keytouch reloaded the config |
| 00:34.02 | digifor | but if config gives nothing. |
| 00:34.34 | ajavid | luke3321, ok, building 2.4.1 now |
| 00:34.51 | ajavid | luke3321, I'll remove/purge keytouch old version using aptitude onw |
| 00:34.51 | luke3321 | alright |
| 00:35.11 | rahsputin | abrotman: othats whats written on it |
| 00:35.18 | luke3321 | while you are at it, it may be worth it to just make a new keyboard file as well |
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| 00:35.37 | abrotman | rahsputin: i see a libretto 110CT and a satellite 110CS .. is the 110CS close enough ? |
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| 00:36.19 | abrotman | rahsputin: nevermind .. those things are so old they won't be at all useful |
| 00:36.22 | ajavid | luke3321, ok, np |
| 00:36.48 | ajavid | luke3321, I've had to backport 3 packages, keytouch-data, keytouch, keytouch-editor (correct?) |
| 00:36.57 | luke3321 | ajavid: Correct |
| 00:36.58 | rahsputin | :) my laptop is also rock-old |
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| 00:37.03 | abrotman | rahsputin: when you try to boot the 2.6 kernel, what happens? did you try noapic acpi=off as kernel options ? |
| 00:37.11 | ajavid | Setting up keytouch (2.4.1-1) |
| 00:38.20 | rahsputin | i have tried that already |
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| 00:39.38 | abrotman | rahsputin: so where does it actually stop ?\ |
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| 00:40.23 | And[y] | if i got a process running screen'd with "screen -d -m -S" and dettach from the screen. how do i send commands to this particular screen, if its running some kind of live console? |
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| 00:40.44 | rahsputin | 7th line it reads safedefault, i can write a few more lines in a few min. |
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| 00:41.36 | rahsputin | or savedefault |
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| 00:42.45 | Ubuntu | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty. Why? |
| 00:43.21 | Ubuntu | I need my server to have working Apache HTTPD that I can configure. |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | Ubuntu: don't you think you should ask #ubuntu ? |
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| 00:44.09 | Ubuntu | Why? |
| 00:44.16 | Ubuntu | I'm using a Debian system. |
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| 00:44.34 | abrotman | that file is normally empty |
| 00:45.10 | CRAZyBUg | Hi, I want to recompile php5-cgi - is there a way to dpkg-buildpackage only php5-cgi or do I have to rebuild ALL modules? :( |
| 00:45.12 | ajavid | luke3321, I purged everything of old. I installed new 2.4 keytouch etc. I made brand new keyboard file in the new keytouch-editor. I put in one button, to test play/pause, it detected it, and said it was a play/pause button in the text box so i hit ok (i guess it was correctly detected). I them made sure it was selected as Amarok play/pause action. I saved it. I opened keytouch and switched keyboards to the new one I just made. It shows one ... |
| 00:45.19 | ajavid | ... button, and guess what, that shows up as default action XMMS play/pause.!!! |
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| 00:45.35 | Ubuntu | I don't even know anything about the Ubuntu OS... this nick is a reference to the African word Ubuntu and its meaning (I am because we are). |
| 00:45.40 | ajavid | luke3321, this makes no sense at all... (this is the exact same thing that happened to me last time, I saved as amarok, changed keyboard to it, and it shows xmms) |
| 00:45.45 | Ubuntu | Please don't assume. |
| 00:45.55 | Ubuntu | Okay, if it is empty, then I have no server. |
| 00:45.55 | abrotman | or ignore my answer |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | then you've done something wrong .. |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | which version of debian is it? |
| 00:46.16 | luke3321 | ajavid: Try naming your keyboard with like your name in it |
| 00:46.28 | ajavid | ok |
| 00:46.29 | Ubuntu | Lenny 5.02 |
| 00:46.32 | luke3321 | It may be getting mixed up with an official version of your keyboard |
| 00:46.38 | ajavid | ok |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | Ubuntu: did you look in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? or /etc/apache2/sites-available/* ? |
| 00:46.55 | Ubuntu | Oh. |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | or /etc/apache2/conf.d/* ? |
| 00:47.02 | Ubuntu | That looks like Lighttpd has. |
| 00:47.07 | Ubuntu | looks. |
| 00:47.20 | ajavid | luke3321, I cannot access the file as user, only as root |
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| 00:47.33 | ajavid | luke3321, does that make any difference? (since keytouch editor launches as root) |
| 00:47.51 | luke3321 | ajavid: Nope, it should be root, keytouch can deal with that |
| 00:48.14 | xlotlu | argh, i just did rm -rf /home |
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| 00:48.35 | luke3321 | ajavid: when you select your keyboard, you should have to click a button that says something like "import" and tell it where you saved your file |
| 00:48.38 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.38 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.44 | ajavid | luke3321, yup |
| 00:48.59 | xlotlu | ctrl+c'd it in 2-3 seconds... now let's see what's gone :| |
| 00:49.11 | ajavid | luke3321, http://paste.debian.net/41300/ |
| 00:49.15 | luke3321 | ajavid: Well try again and make sure the name shows as AJAVID and Keyboard |
| 00:49.38 | ajavid | luke3321, it keeps being saved as XMMS even if I select Amarok |
| 00:49.40 | ajavid | ... |
| 00:49.45 | luke3321 | Hm.. Manually change XMMS to Amarok |
| 00:49.51 | ajavid | this HAS to be a bug |
| 00:49.53 | ajavid | ok |
| 00:49.55 | luke3321 | save and restart keytouch |
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| 00:51.20 | ajavid | luke3321, nope |
| 00:51.26 | ajavid | doesn't work |
| 00:51.47 | ajavid | luke3321, http://paste.debian.net/41301/ |
| 00:51.51 | luke3321 | ajavid: That is very interesting, I just tried making a new keyboard and it does replace amarok with XMMS |
| 00:52.30 | ajavid | luke3321, should I file a bugreport? |
| 00:52.43 | luke3321 | ajavid: Please and Thankyou! |
| 00:52.46 | And[y] | i found it out on my own: screen -S SCREENNAME -p 0 -X eval 'stuff "MYCOMAND 1 2 3"\015' |
| 00:52.47 | ajavid | np man |
| 00:52.55 | And[y] | if anyone wondered, too :> |
| 00:52.57 | ajavid | luke3321, if anyone can get it sorted out, you can! glad to help |
| 00:53.51 | ajavid | luke3321, at least volume buttons work |
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| 00:54.04 | ajavid | luke3321, also, the stop button uses a totally different volume bar |
| 00:54.06 | ajavid | why is that? |
| 00:54.19 | luke3321 | ajavid: Stop controls volume...? |
| 00:54.31 | ajavid | stop button brings volume down, but this volume bar looks like a totally differnt plugin than the ones aumix uses for volume/up down buttons |
| 00:54.35 | ajavid | yeh |
| 00:54.41 | ajavid | luke3321, it does |
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| 00:55.02 | ajavid | and its not the same as the volume OSD as volume up down buttons which again use aumix plugin |
| 00:55.30 | ajavid | luke3321, http://paste.debian.net/41298 <- like in this one |
| 00:55.36 | luke3321 | ajavid: There is something very wrong here... |
| 00:55.42 | ajavid | yup, very horribly wrong |
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| 00:56.55 | ajavid | luke3321, I also didnt' have aumix installed... |
| 00:57.29 | luke3321 | ajavid: Well just file a bug report and I will look into it |
| 00:57.41 | Ubuntu | What is ServerRoot? |
| 00:57.43 | ajavid | ok |
| 00:57.47 | Ubuntu | This is DocumentRoot? |
| 00:58.40 | ajavid | luke3321, what do file it on, I installed backported packages of sid |
| 00:58.51 | ajavid | luke3321, I don't have stable version's keytouch on my system anymore |
| 00:59.09 | Ubuntu | is upset that apach2.conf is totally different from httpd.conf |
| 00:59.42 | luke3321 | ajavid: Go ahead and file it against sid. |
| 00:59.44 | nsadmin | is it apache that changed it? |
| 00:59.48 | ajavid | luke3321, there are so many problems, should I create seperate bug reports for them all? |
| 00:59.56 | Ubuntu | punishes MIT |
| 01:00.16 | luke3321 | ajavid: Yeah, but give me a quick summary so I can combine ones that a likely related |
| 01:00.21 | ajavid | ooh boy |
| 01:00.22 | nsadmin | SICPsmites Ubuntu! |
| 01:00.30 | ajavid | alright, man this may take some time, and I need a breather |
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| 01:00.45 | ajavid | luke3321, thank you so very much for your help and assistance. I'll file the report by tonight |
| 01:01.01 | luke3321 | ajavid: No problem |
| 01:01.01 | nsadmin | with a lambda dancing the lambada! |
| 01:01.08 | ajavid | abrotman, unignored. |
| 01:01.09 | Ubuntu | Ubuntu Hairy Hardon is so slow in apt... |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | tries to care |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | Ubuntu: Have you read any of the apache documentation? |
| 01:01.49 | Ubuntu | NO, I'm fortunately using Debian Potato. :) |
| 01:02.03 | ajavid | its a fucking troll dude. |
| 01:02.06 | Ubuntu | abrotman: I actually remembered. |
| 01:02.09 | nsadmin | potato?! wow |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | Ubuntu: please get serious before you get banned |
| 01:02.30 | Ubuntu | Okay. |
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| 01:02.36 | rahsputin | whats a troll? |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | rahsputin: ignore that comment |
| 01:02.53 | Ubuntu | I'm all set now... I found sites-available/000-default. Thanks. |
| 01:03.13 | ajavid | rahsputin, wikipedia. |
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| 01:07.40 | m4tr1x | re |
| 01:08.39 | m4tr1x | where i can found source.changes for any debian packages? |
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| 01:11.09 | ajavid | m4tr1x, what do you mean? |
| 01:11.56 | m4tr1x | i trying DeBaBaReTools |
| 01:12.59 | deji | having a nightmare trying to install lenny...this box has ide-sata bridge that causes the CD to boot, but not able to mount..so tried a usb stick and for some reason that isn't booting either |
| 01:13.16 | deji | any usb stick experts here, seems like that is the only way I am going to get it installed |
| 01:13.29 | m4tr1x | ajavid, can you help me? :) |
| 01:14.07 | m4tr1x | This file is not a permanent part of the source tree; it is used while building packages to record which files are being generated. dpkg-genchanges uses it when it generates a .changes file. |
| 01:14.10 | ajavid | I don't know |
| 01:14.14 | m4tr1x | lol |
| 01:14.42 | ajavid | I need a minute away from computers right now |
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| 01:17.52 | abrotman | m4tr1x: are you building it or looking for it? |
| 01:18.19 | m4tr1x | i trying to build a local repository |
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| 01:19.07 | m4tr1x | with DeBaBaReTools, but i need source.changes file |
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| 01:22.29 | m4tr1x | abrotman, can i generate this file? |
| 01:22.47 | rahsputin | abrotman: i'm off to bed... i keep messin up some stuff and am gettin tired, i'll be back in the mornin |
| 01:22.52 | rahsputin | night all |
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| 01:23.24 | m4tr1x | ok, problem solved :) |
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| 01:30.17 | Ubuntu | wonders if Debian supports Intel i386 @ 33 MHz with 64 MB RAM |
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| 01:30.38 | Ubuntu | It was a Gopher server. |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | is the 486 a DX or SX ? |
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| 01:31.21 | Ubuntu | 386, not 486. |
| 01:31.27 | Ubuntu | I think it has DX. |
| 01:32.01 | abrotman | etch won't, sarge will |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | are you sure it's really an 80386? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | the 386 33Mhz wasn't super common |
| 01:32.46 | Ubuntu | Hmm |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
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| 01:34.50 | Ubuntu | Zenith Turbosport 386 runs at 12 MHz |
| 01:34.59 | Ubuntu | Worse than I thought. |
| 01:36.18 | abrotman | eww .. Zenith PCs .. those things were awful |
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| 01:37.13 | Ubuntu | Well, my iBook is a much better server for thttpd anyway. |
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| 01:38.38 | adb | run powerbook 3400c bogomips: 19.90 |
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| 01:40.22 | phillipsm | anybody have a good source for getting external vga monitor to work in debian? |
| 01:40.41 | urbanmonk | anyone here have experience setting up sudo to use ldap? |
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| 01:41.26 | Ubuntu | phillipsm: Make sure it is turned on and plugged into your computer. |
| 01:41.35 | phillipsm | yes...it is |
| 01:41.36 | Ubuntu | Is this a laptop? |
| 01:41.38 | phillipsm | yep |
| 01:41.53 | Ubuntu | Just plug it in. |
| 01:41.53 | phillipsm | compaq cq210 |
| 01:42.11 | Ubuntu | Your BIOS may have a setting to "mirror" output on the laptop screen to the external CRT. |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | phillipsm: did you hit the button to switch the outputs ? |
| 01:42.24 | Ubuntu | Or you may be able to switch output devices. |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | phillipsm: or tried using xrandr ? |
| 01:42.26 | phillipsm | and which button would that be? |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | phillipsm: look on your keyboard .. usualy a blue monitor looking key |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | on mine it would be Fn-F7 .. but mine is a thinkpad |
| 01:43.19 | phillipsm | i tried it on mine its fn-f4 but nothing happened |
| 01:43.27 | phillipsm | i still have the no-signal thing on the monitor |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | sometimes you have to hit it more than once |
| 01:43.35 | abrotman | also see xrandr |
| 01:43.37 | phillipsm | done that lol |
| 01:43.44 | phillipsm | is xrandr a program? |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | also check your BIOS .. you might have external VGA disabled |
| 01:44.22 | phillipsm | ok i will look at those two things...thanks |
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| 01:47.54 | Ubuntu | Everything is different from what I knew in Debian Sarge. :( |
| 01:48.31 | Ubuntu | Do I put AddHandler and LoadModule entries for php in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf? |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | you don't have to do that at all |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | (haven't had to do that since like .. potato) |
| 01:49.49 | Ubuntu | Okay, because obviously it isn't handling the MIME type for php in any non-retarded way (the browser wants to download it). |
| 01:50.06 | Ubuntu | I installed php5 and mod php5 for apache2. |
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| 01:51.44 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php5 .. a2enmod php5 ? |
| 01:51.44 | Ubuntu | It looks like when I installed those from apt, it automatically put php5.conf and php5.load in the mods-enabled directory (symlinks to mods-available) |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | and then restart apache ? |
| 01:52.03 | Ubuntu | checks |
| 01:52.10 | Ubuntu | Shouldn't need to restart. |
| 01:52.14 | abrotman | also you may need to clear your browser cache and restart all instances of your browser |
| 01:52.27 | Ubuntu | It should have reloaded the config after a minute. |
| 01:52.35 | Ubuntu | That could be. |
| 01:53.03 | Arrowmaster | did you tell it to reload the config or are you just waiting for it to magicly do it? |
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| 01:53.32 | Ubuntu | I will try a restart now if you think that will help. |
| 01:53.53 | Arrowmaster | well you need to either restart or reload |
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| 01:54.54 | Ubuntu | So a2enmod is going to magically add a handler for PHP? |
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| 01:55.06 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | more automagically than magically |
| 01:55.20 | Ubuntu | Says "Module php5 is already enabled" |
| 01:55.34 | Ubuntu | So apt already did that. |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | then restart your apache2 .. and see what i said above about the browser cache |
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| 01:59.00 | Ubuntu | Restarting fixed it. |
| 01:59.15 | Ubuntu | I should have done that half an hour ago. |
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| 02:00.34 | Ubuntu | We really need the equivalent of the Windows registry in Linux. |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | oh, yeah .. awesome plan |
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| 02:02.35 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:02.47 | tengulre | how to building the .deb package? |
| 02:03.00 | Ubuntu | I'm off to get some coffee... |
| 02:03.05 | Ubuntu | Before I do... |
| 02:03.16 | Ubuntu | Is there anyone working on a Linux registry daemon? |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | tengulre: from what? |
| 02:03.42 | Ubuntu | I would love something like registryd that would consolidate all configuration data. |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | Ubuntu: please stop trolling |
| 02:04.00 | Ubuntu | abrotman: It's a serious question. |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | points Ubuntu to /etc/ .. have a good day |
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| 02:04.37 | Ubuntu | /etc/ is too old. |
| 02:04.38 | nevyn | gnome has gnome-configuration-manager or whatever it is.. gconf |
| 02:04.42 | nevyn | which is like a registry |
| 02:04.43 | Ubuntu | Thanks anyway. |
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| 02:04.55 | Ubuntu | nevyn: That's true. I forgot about that. |
| 02:05.03 | Ubuntu | That thing is horrible. |
| 02:05.09 | bittin | somone here knows anything about wvdail? |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | bittin: just ask your real question |
| 02:05.35 | bittin | abrotman: somone knows how to get it to work with mobile broadbands |
| 02:05.38 | Ubuntu | wvdial? |
| 02:05.42 | nevyn | kde is working on moving to using the TDBish ldap server for configuration information |
| 02:06.09 | abrotman | bittin: you have to make sure it's creating a device first .. is that part working ? |
| 02:06.11 | nevyn | last I heard from Aaron that's where they were heading. |
| 02:06.11 | Ubuntu | Anyway, thanks for the help. |
| 02:06.15 | Ubuntu | This is a great chatroom. |
| 02:06.23 | bittin | abrotman: dont think so |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | tthat's your first stop .. make the device work before you try to configure software to use it |
| 02:06.55 | bittin | lsusb says its there |
| 02:06.57 | nevyn | ewww wvdial eww |
| 02:07.30 | bittin | do you know something better as wicd dont got support for mobile broadbands and i dont want gnome NM |
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| 02:07.58 | abrotman | still needs a device driver |
| 02:09.01 | bittin | http://pastebin.se/198471 |
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| 02:14.19 | lucio | how I do to get my fx5500 workin on debian? |
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| 02:15.34 | mimiloon | hi everybody, i need some help in getting my wifi card to connect automatically when the system boots or comes back from standby; it autoconnects to the wifi network in windows, is there a way of making this in debian 5? |
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| 02:16.04 | killown | how I do to get my fx5500 working? |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | you just asked that |
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| 02:17.55 | abrotman | mimiloon: man 5 interfaces |
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| 02:18.21 | BillyG | HI!!! |
| 02:18.24 | bittin | Hi |
| 02:18.30 | BillyG | can you help me with mac os vista? |
| 02:18.44 | mimiloon | abrotman: ??? |
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| 02:18.57 | BillyG | i use ubuntu vista before |
| 02:18.59 | BillyG | but work no |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | BillyG: you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:19.05 | BillyG | now i switch to mac os vista |
| 02:19.07 | BillyG | no work |
| 02:19.08 | dub | failtroll fails |
| 02:19.10 | BillyG | get blue screen of die |
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| 02:19.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@91-113-17-77.adsl.highway.telekom.at] by abrotman |
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| 02:19.31 | abrotman | BillyG: You've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 02:19.32 | nsadmin | sista vista gets a blista |
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| 02:21.00 | abrotman | mimiloon: it's a man page .. to read |
| 02:22.00 | mimiloon | abrotman: oh ok, thanks, i'll look into that |
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| 02:24.16 | macrobat | i have an executable i cant run although it has these permissions: -rwxr-xr-x |
| 02:24.19 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.27 | macrobat | and i own it |
| 02:25.27 | bittin | somone know how to get mobile broadband to work with wvdail? |
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| 02:26.16 | macrobat | i have run that game hundreds of times, did i wear it out? |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | macrobat: can you create a file in the same directory? |
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| 02:27.25 | macrobat | abrotman: "touch fail" succeded |
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| 02:31.39 | macrobat | i'll try login/logout |
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| 02:35.08 | bittin | here is the error: http://pastebin.se/198471 |
| 02:35.45 | macrobat | /usr/sbin and /sbin is not in my PATH, should it be? |
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| 02:36.02 | abrotman | not as a regular user |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | lsattr |
| 02:36.12 | dalias | why is the ttf-bitstream-vera package gone in sid? |
| 02:36.23 | dalias | is it replaced by another package? |
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| 02:38.05 | abrotman | dalias: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461308 |
| 02:39.27 | dalias | i agree it's a subset of dejavu, but there are many legitimate reasons to want it installed |
| 02:39.43 | dalias | for example the default fontconfig files in debian do not alias it to dejavu |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | arguing with me won't get you anywhere |
| 02:39.51 | dalias | so if a website uses bitstream vera sans, it won't work |
| 02:40.20 | dalias | should i file a followup to that bug or a new bug? |
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| 02:40.51 | abrotman | that's an ftp.debian.org bug .. probably not the correct bug to append |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | the package you want is still in lenny |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | erm .. in squeeze |
| 02:41.43 | dalias | i know |
| 02:41.56 | dalias | but this seems like an issue that will be a major bug on all debian systems |
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| 02:43.32 | macrobat | lsattr shows alot of dashes infront of my files. is it suposed to show something else? |
| 02:43.37 | dalias | where should i file a followup bug? |
| 02:43.54 | dalias | lsattr is not something you should use unless you really know what you're doing |
| 02:44.11 | dalias | it deals with special ext2/3 extended attributes |
| 02:44.26 | macrobat | i just thought it read stuff. im not using chattr |
| 02:44.35 | dalias | yeah |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | macrobat: normally all dashes |
| 02:44.39 | dalias | it shows the attributes |
| 02:44.48 | dalias | dashes indicate an attibute that's not set |
| 02:46.54 | macrobat | i have tried some alt ctrl prntscreen sysresq b k u s combinations |
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| 02:47.13 | macrobat | i dont remember, c a b didnt work |
| 02:48.13 | macrobat | ok, /home is mounted noexec :) |
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| 02:48.58 | abrotman | uhm .. that doesn't magically happen |
| 02:49.17 | dalias | lol |
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| 02:50.20 | macrobat | logout and mount -a as root? |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | you can just remount it if you logout |
| 02:50.45 | macrobat | ok, ty |
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| 02:54.39 | luke3321 | ajavid: You ever get around to filing that bug report? |
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| 02:56.11 | macrobat | i did login/logout and /home is noexec still. |
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| 02:57.17 | macrobat | man mount says defaults mean exec. i have defaults option for /home in fstab |
| 02:58.44 | dalias | logout/in will not remount anythbing |
| 02:58.53 | dalias | logout, then login as root so you can unmount and remount /home |
| 02:59.03 | bittin | no iam going to bed and trying to fix it when iam more non tired |
| 02:59.20 | macrobat | i thought so, cu! |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | i said to remount ... |
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| 03:00.57 | killown | how I do to install firefox 3.5? I don't want iceweasel |
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| 03:01.58 | adb | killown: ask in #firefox |
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| 03:05.46 | ajavid | lupus_, not yet |
| 03:05.53 | ajavid | hes nto here |
| 03:06.18 | ajavid | I'm at describe your problem with the package prompt ;) |
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| 03:07.02 | ajavid | not sure what severity level to give it... I guess if it doesn't work, its grave? |
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| 03:07.32 | ajavid | by doesn't work I mean it just exactly the opposite of what you tried to do, file isn't saved properly, the softwre doesn't function right |
| 03:07.56 | ajavid | yup, it causes data loss, grave |
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| 03:17.15 | ajavid | well damn |
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| 03:17.35 | ajavid | it spawned vim as the editor of the bug report, I typed it all in, and now I don't know what to do! |
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| 03:17.47 | ajavid | jeez. how do I get out of the already typed bugreport and now send it out |
| 03:18.13 | ajavid | !ping |
| 03:18.13 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
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| 03:18.49 | ajavid | !bugreport |
| 03:19.09 | adb | !reportbug |
| 03:19.09 | dpkg | i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
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| 03:24.38 | mogunus1 | Hello. How do I request an IP address for my wireless card if I don't have GNOME running? I know how to use iwconfig to associate with an access point. |
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| 03:29.28 | flourish | hello all, quick question. I need to help a friend to migrate all mails from gmail account to thunderbird. How can i do this. I cannot find a solution on the web |
| 03:29.39 | yurikoles | hey, 6 jul released new weekly build of squeeze, after 2 weeks |
| 03:30.02 | yurikoles | just use IMAP |
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| 03:33.02 | ajavid | can someone just help me out here |
| 03:33.10 | flourish | yurikoles: but use different email address |
| 03:33.12 | ajavid | my bug report is not saved |
| 03:33.14 | ajavid | and vim fucking sucks. |
| 03:33.40 | ajavid | how do i save the bugreport before it sent, everytiem it says send, I say yes, it says unchanged i hit e to edit, and its just blank |
| 03:33.44 | ajavid | why? |
| 03:34.42 | jeffrey_ | ajavid: use ":s" to save |
| 03:35.00 | ajavid | yes I know but it says error something number needs argument |
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| 03:35.16 | ajavid | oh fuck this... why the fuck is vim on my system. I'll change the alternative and use good old quick and dirty nano |
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| 03:35.46 | ajavid | I know I know, vim lovers will probably make fun of me, but I'm emacs, through and through. |
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| 03:36.16 | cydork | jeffrey_, :s to save in vim??? |
| 03:36.16 | ajavid | finally, F3 in nano saves it, F2 exits, hit y to send... report sending |
| 03:36.42 | ajavid | report sent. |
| 03:36.43 | cydork | ajavid, :wq to save in vim .. but if you don't use vim set your EDITOR to something else. |
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| 03:36.57 | ajavid | cydork, yeh I dunno why vim got installed on my system, I didn't do it. |
| 03:37.15 | ajavid | does vim come with some debian task in tasksel? |
| 03:37.22 | cydork | ajavid, it comes by default afaik. |
| 03:37.28 | ajavid | i see |
| 03:37.37 | ajavid | emacs ftw. |
| 03:37.49 | jeffrey_ | cydork: sorry :) |
| 03:37.53 | cydork | !emacs rules |
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| 03:38.00 | cydork | !damn you |
| 03:38.00 | dpkg | sends you to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers. |
| 03:38.53 | cydork | Australia? |
| 03:39.19 | ajavid | lol |
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| 03:41.05 | simNIX_ | Anyone any idea what "Attempt to access disallowed key '$verbose=1;' in a restricted hash at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 43, <DEBCONF_CONFIG> chunk 2" as part of output aptitude install vsftpd - oddly vsftpd is already purring away but now whatever I add or remove 'tel's' me this ... |
| 03:41.16 | simNIX_ | google not turned up anything usefull |
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| 03:42.58 | cydork | simNIX_, what are you running? testing? unstable? |
| 03:43.05 | Ubuntu | !damn filepermissions |
| 03:43.05 | dpkg | sends filepermissions to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers. |
| 03:43.24 | Ubuntu | Samba has had me typng chmod 777 all day. |
| 03:43.36 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 03:43.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:43.39 | valan | why? |
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| 03:44.21 | Ubuntu | Ubuntu is a documentary by Madonna, not a Linux distribution. |
| 03:44.21 | Ambush | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 |
| 03:44.42 | d1b | Ambush: is there another update ? |
| 03:44.49 | cydork | Ambush, is that a nude pic of madonna? |
| 03:44.53 | simNIX_ | sorry should have mentioned that; Lenny |
| 03:45.00 | Ambush | d1b: not sure, just saw that mentioned, its dated today.. |
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| 03:45.11 | Ambush | cydork: at her current age, would that be attractive? (im not sure) |
| 03:45.13 | valan | ubuntu is a few different things, including a linux distrobution |
| 03:45.20 | d1b | Ambush: ok its on the 3rd update. thats the last one i saw before i went to sleep 8 hours ago. |
| 03:45.27 | PotatoLegacy | Potato has been a very good OS to me. |
| 03:45.31 | Ambush | oi |
| 03:45.34 | cydork | Ambush, no.. that's was my second line :) |
| 03:45.36 | ajavid | valan, distribution (from distribute) |
| 03:45.47 | PotatoLegacy | Yes, Madonna is very attractive Ambush,. |
| 03:45.53 | valan | err yeah i misspelled |
| 03:45.54 | ajavid | valan, distro is short for distribution |
| 03:45.59 | ajavid | oh, I thought you didnt' know |
| 03:46.03 | ajavid | word |
| 03:46.21 | valan | i know, sometimes my fingers don't realize what i'm spelling though |
| 03:46.41 | PotatoLegacy | clicks nude pic URL |
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| 03:47.09 | PotatoLegacy | No pic =( |
| 03:47.24 | ajavid | I type so damn fast more than half the time I end up blaming my keybaord cuz my fingers are used to playing guitar few hours a day, shred style, so I'm very light fingered and when typing on keybaord, my fingers don't hit the shitty keys hard enough(not a soft keyboard) so that makes my typing all screwey |
| 03:48.06 | ajavid | that took about 30 seconds to type, how many words is that... |
| 03:48.07 | adb | PotatoLegacy: learn yours samba's permissions first ;-) |
| 03:48.35 | ajavid | dude thats like 60 words a minute, holy balls. |
| 03:48.44 | ajavid | at least 50 if nothing else |
| 03:48.52 | adb | ajavid: ot ? |
| 03:48.58 | ajavid | yes, yes it is. |
| 03:49.00 | PotatoLegacy | I have an IBM Model M keyboard that doubles as a weapon of self defense when burglars break in. |
| 03:49.01 | ajavid | my bad. |
| 03:49.21 | PotatoLegacy | I lost my tab key that way... |
| 03:49.34 | valan | i can type 80wpm when i feel like it |
| 03:49.38 | ajavid | PotatoLegacy, you're not still running potato are you |
| 03:49.47 | ajavid | valan, I'm sure I could go faster if i had some errors in there |
| 03:49.57 | PotatoLegacy | No, I'm upgrading from Sarge, though. |
| 03:49.58 | ajavid | PotatoLegacy, cuz that would be like... why? Why potato? |
| 03:50.10 | ajavid | PotatoLegacy, I ahve a sarge box when sarge JUST went into testing :) |
| 03:50.10 | valan | i'm usually pretty good about catching and correcting errors |
| 03:50.16 | ajavid | ona powerbook 3400c |
| 03:50.23 | valan | i'd probably hit 90-100 wpm if it wasnt for errors heh |
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| 03:50.34 | valan | but i usually don't care to type that fast |
| 03:50.39 | adb | ajavid: i just run it |
| 03:50.40 | PotatoLegacy | has won a typing contest before. |
| 03:50.53 | ajavid | adb, run what? |
| 03:50.59 | adb | powerbook 3400c |
| 03:51.05 | ajavid | hell yeah man, great machine |
| 03:51.11 | adb | 2.6.25-2-powerpc-miboot |
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| 03:51.22 | ajavid | I have system 9.1 and debian sarge |
| 03:51.28 | ajavid | sarge/testing |
| 03:51.42 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.48 | ajavid | word |
| 03:52.00 | ajavid | I never bothered to update it, it still sits in closet |
| 03:52.06 | killown | when I run the nautilus I see two partitions not mounted and when I click on one to mount it says that I have not allowed anyone could tell me which group should I add to my User to be allowed to mount partitions via nautilus? |
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| 03:52.22 | ajavid | plugdev ? |
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| 03:52.25 | ajavid | I dunno |
| 03:52.27 | PotatoLegacy | Madonna - Like a Virgin |
| 03:52.46 | adb | PotatoLegacy: ot ? |
| 03:52.48 | PotatoLegacy | Virgin is synonymous with Linux kernel maintainer, by the way. |
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| 03:53.19 | ajavid | could be plugdev (not sure about disks) |
| 03:53.26 | killown | ok |
| 03:53.28 | ajavid | uhm, I mean group 'disk' |
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| 03:57.43 | killown | iceweasel be outdated? I try to update and apt says the newer version is installed and when I check version.. it says the version is 3.0.6 |
| 03:57.59 | ajavid | judd versions iceweasel |
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| 03:58.01 | judd | ajavid: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
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| 03:58.09 | valan | most things on debian stable are outdated |
| 03:58.22 | valan | it's not at all a bleeding edge distro |
| 03:58.24 | ajavid | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1pre) Gecko/20090706 Firefox/3.5 GTB5 |
| 03:58.30 | ajavid | I'm on stable Lenny 5.0 |
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| 03:58.40 | ajavid | I run Shiretoko |
| 03:58.42 | valan | well, most things from the official stable repos |
| 03:58.55 | ajavid | killown, you can try to /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:59.04 | DanDare | In Etch we dont have ffmpeg but we do in Lenny, this is right ? |
| 03:59.09 | ajavid | killown, do it yourself from sid. And actually latest version of firefox is 3.5 |
| 03:59.16 | ajavid | judd versions ffmpeg |
| 03:59.17 | judd | ajavid: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090420-2 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090609-1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090612-0.1 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090629-0.0 |
| 03:59.21 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 03:59.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:59.38 | DanDare | should i expect an all restricted and not that all multiformat capable in Lenny´s ffmpeg ? |
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| 04:00.22 | MadMoney | DanDare: Why do you say that? |
| 04:00.31 | simonrvn | !tias |
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| 04:00.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first. |
| 04:00.59 | DanDare | MadMoney, because ffmpeg support encoding lot of (proprietary?) formats, like AAC and others |
| 04:01.27 | DanDare | i remember someone saying ffmepg not in Etch cause of copyright limits |
| 04:01.27 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 04:01.27 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 04:01.50 | simonrvn | see there ^^^ |
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| 04:02.49 | DanDare | if i add alternative multimedia repositories for Lenny, so when i try to install ffmpeg it will install from Lenny oficial repos or alternative multimedia one ? |
| 04:03.00 | ajavid | multimedia ones |
| 04:03.09 | ajavid | they have higher version number so they take priority |
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| 04:03.19 | DanDare | ahh i see, very thanks ajavid |
| 04:03.45 | adb | DanDare: i got vb-0707.08.aac with streamripper , w/o any debian-multimedia |
| 04:03.59 | nrotschafer | ok I have a problem....I'm getting an error that seems like it can be fixed with installing firmware-linux, but I now don't have network connectivity....what can I do? |
| 04:04.02 | DanDare | adb, you encoded AAC you mean ? |
| 04:04.17 | adb | not me but streamripper |
| 04:04.56 | DanDare | so using only Lenny oficial repo im able to encode to AAC ? I got it right ? |
| 04:05.14 | adb | DanDare: streamripper url.list -a music , get music.aac |
| 04:05.28 | adb | yes |
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| 04:05.33 | DanDare | adb, but in this case you source stream is in AAC ? |
| 04:05.45 | DanDare | adb, ok you dont encoded, just ripped the stream |
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| 04:06.04 | enferex | For some reason /dev/hd* and /dev/sd* does not exist (I have the ide drivers built from the kernel). But I cant seem to get my swap partion to be recognized. |
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| 04:06.17 | simonrvn | DanDare: take a wild guess.... |
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| 04:06.44 | simonrvn | DanDare: you could, you know, TRY it |
| 04:07.13 | DanDare | simonrvn, if lenny can encode to AAC how about copyrights regarding AAC? Debian dont care about ? |
| 04:07.28 | DanDare | asking because i remember people saying so about Etch |
| 04:07.43 | simonrvn | dmm has nothing to do with debian, except that the stuff is built for debian systems. |
| 04:08.05 | DanDare | ok but im asking using just oficial lenny repos |
| 04:08.27 | DanDare | using just the oficial so I will not able to encode to AAC, right ? |
| 04:08.52 | simonrvn | i doubt it even exists there |
| 04:10.43 | adb | DanDare: ask to #debian-legal |
| 04:11.14 | DanDare | a channel ? |
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| 04:11.42 | simonrvn | yes, on oftc |
| 04:12.03 | DanDare | thanks |
| 04:12.30 | simonrvn | DanDare: apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 04:12.47 | DanDare | that´s a very nice one simonrvn, thanks |
| 04:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you want to know |
| 04:13.39 | DanDare | or (sorry for the ignorance), but how to check with wich options a package were compiled ? |
| 04:14.12 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, just to decide if i will use Lenny´s ffmpeg and company or alternative ones like dmn or compile them by myself |
| 04:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what is this about copyrights on a codec? |
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| 04:14.25 | DanDare | but i think i got it... dmn or compiling should be the best, thanks |
| 04:14.30 | carlitos__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | a codec can only be patentet... copyright is for texts |
| 04:14.52 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry.... patented codec not copyrighted |
| 04:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/tet/ted/ |
| 04:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you will find info about removed codecs in the packages README, changlog and/or in the BTS |
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| 04:17.43 | MakkaPakka | How do I get around this sort of error from dpkg? dpkg: error processing ... kdebase-runtime... trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu', which is also in package kdesudo |
| 04:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | on lenny? |
| 04:20.02 | MakkaPakka | acutally on *buntu jaunty .. but the *buntu channels aren't any help on anything that doesn't require point-and-click-with-a-mouse |
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| 04:20.57 | valan | you're likely not to find much, if any, ubuntu help in this channel |
| 04:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeh, what a pity... debian channels aren't any help on things that're not on debian |
| 04:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | between a rock and a hard place |
| 04:21.21 | MakkaPakka | LOL |
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| 04:21.27 | valan | i prefer the rock rather than the hard place |
| 04:21.44 | MakkaPakka | I figured as the whole .deb infrastructure is debian, someone around here would know how it works :-D |
| 04:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this IS the perfect moment to mention that this exactly the type of issue that stable was made to avoid... |
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| 04:22.42 | valan | sorry we're debian, we don't have in depth knowledge of ubuntu's packages |
| 04:22.58 | valan | hell, i dunno if even ubuntu has in depth knowledge of ubuntu packages |
| 04:23.00 | DanDare | Its much risk to add alternative repositories (like multimedia.org ones). Risk of crash things ? |
| 04:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I can say what I'd say for testing/unstable... file a bug-report |
| 04:23.31 | simonrvn | MakkaPakka: /joing #ubuntu |
| 04:23.38 | valan | what is multimedia.org ? |
| 04:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, how bit is a forest? |
| 04:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | big, not bit |
| 04:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | how much is "much salt" |
| 04:24.11 | DanDare | CutMeOwnThroat, depends on the forest |
| 04:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant... a forest, compared to just "a bunch of trees"2 |
| 04:24.50 | valan | eh forests and trees are ms networking terms |
| 04:25.05 | valan | at least i still have jungle that i can use |
| 04:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hail tarzan |
| 04:25.48 | valan | DanDare you can add dmm just fine btw |
| 04:25.57 | valan | nfc what multimedia.org is |
| 04:26.09 | valan | since there's apparently no actual web site there |
| 04:26.27 | cmyers_work | does anyone know why a debian package (libcairo) might fail to install a pkg-config file (e.g. /usr/share/pkgconfig/foo.pc) ? |
| 04:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | DanDare, I haven't had much problems with stuff from dmm - for other repositories... depends how many libraries they replace from normal debian |
| 04:26.54 | cmyers_work | suspects the answer is "because the package maintainer is broke?" |
| 04:27.23 | valan | cmyers_home because /usr/share/pkgconfig isn't the path it should be using |
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| 04:27.37 | valan | /usr/lib/pkgconfig is normally the proper path |
| 04:27.48 | cmyers_work | valan: awesome..lemme try that - thanks! |
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| 04:28.47 | valan | also, libcairo doesn't seem to come with a .pc |
| 04:28.51 | DanDare | i see |
| 04:28.59 | cmyers_work | erm, yeh, I meant libcairomm |
| 04:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the other hand... WHEN there's a problem with DMM, it's less convenient - no bugtracking system afaik |
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| 04:29.12 | valan | maybe the -dev comes with a pc |
| 04:29.14 | DanDare | a matter of test infact |
| 04:29.23 | cmyers_work | cairomm-1.0.pc exists there, but when I try this:PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig pkg-config --exists 'cairomm-1.0' I get a return value of zero |
| 04:29.23 | valan | since you really need the -dev to make any use of the .pc |
| 04:29.26 | cmyers_work | erm, of fail |
| 04:29.39 | cmyers_work | yeh, I installed the -dev package |
| 04:29.46 | valan | eh i dunno then |
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| 04:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | valan, when we said 'hard place' we were talking about hardy, right?s |
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| 04:35.03 | BubbaT | I'm getting an error message "cannot find /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so" in Xorg.0.log. How can I find which package this file is in? |
| 04:35.07 | digitalj_ | I've got a laptop with a broken backspace key, is there any way I can assign the function of that key to something else? |
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| 04:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell BubbaT -about apt-file |
| 04:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | digitalj_, yes |
| 04:37.50 | digitalj_ | like the right shift key |
| 04:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | this was a yes/no question, right? :) |
| 04:38.21 | digitalj_ | CutMeOwnThroat, any idea on how to do it? |
| 04:39.23 | macrobat | digitalj_: some xmodmap stuff? |
| 04:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | for cli, stty erase <something> might be of some help |
| 04:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win macrobat |
| 04:39.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, macrobat! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 04:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes and for X xmodmap should be the magic wand |
| 04:39.55 | macrobat | ty. i always wanted that |
| 04:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was it xmodmap |
| 04:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always confuse those |
| 04:40.43 | macrobat | right shift is keycode 62 for me |
| 04:40.45 | cmyers_work | guys - I am having a problem with pkg-config and it is really confusing the hell out of me. Terminal output here: http://pastebin.com/m5cad589a |
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| 04:41.22 | cmyers_work | basically, pkg-config --exists 'cairo' works, but pkg-config --exists 'cairomm-1.0' does not, but both the cairo.pc and cairomm-1.0.pc files are there. |
| 04:41.27 | killown | Is there a way to adjust scroll wheel sensitivity? |
| 04:41.29 | cmyers_work | I don't understand why it would fail to work. |
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| 04:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, doh - AOL CDs! Do those still exist? Should be worth a fortune now... everyone threw them away back then... making them an extreme rarity |
| 04:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | killown, my wheel silently clicks when turned... one click = one keypress... |
| 04:43.31 | Adabesi | trying to command my htpc's volume from a laptop. when i run "ssh skabooty@wdma alsamixer" from the laptop (wdma is the htpc) I get "Error opening terminal: unknown." alsamixer works fine when i first open ssh and then run from within the ssh session. (I'm trying to make hotkey for it) anyone know a fix? |
| 04:43.33 | BubbaT | CutMeOwnThroat, will that work with pacakes I haven't installed? |
| 04:43.51 | macrobat | killown: you mean how many lines to scroll in an app? |
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| 04:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | killown, one keypress can scroll a different amount of lines or whaterver, but that's configured seperately for every application |
| 04:44.03 | killown | sure |
| 04:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | BubbaT, yes, that's what it's for |
| 04:44.14 | killown | hmm |
| 04:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (afaik) |
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| 04:44.39 | macrobat | it depends on the wm or the app |
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| 04:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what I'm saying is... the wheel has no "sensitivity" - its sending keypresses |
| 04:45.16 | killown | I found anything about it thanks.. |
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| 04:45.21 | macrobat | you can set a global value in kde iirc |
| 04:45.44 | killown | Option "VertScrollDelta" "250" Option "MinSpeed" "0.06" Option "MaxSpeed" "0.12" Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010" |
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| 04:47.13 | hesco | I had working audio. But today the power blinked and now it appears I do not. I now have no /proc/asound nor /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/sequencer /dev/midi either. lspci still identifies a 02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07). Did the power blinking trash my sound chip? Or is there hope for recovery from this? |
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| 04:48.28 | cmyers_work | hesco: are the kernel modules running? |
| 04:48.36 | cmyers_work | perhaps after the reboot they didn't get started |
| 04:48.48 | cmyers_work | dpkg: tell hesco about alsa |
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| 04:50.21 | hesco | cmyers_work: I tried restarting alsa from /etc/init.d scripts, to no avail |
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| 04:50.34 | macrobat | where did killown get those numbers? |
| 04:50.35 | cmyers_work | does modprobe show the modules loaded? |
| 04:50.47 | hesco | I have already posted this same question to the #alsa channel |
| 04:51.11 | hesco | its pretty quiet over there at this hour |
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| 04:51.16 | hesco | lsmod shows no modules of interest |
| 04:52.41 | cmyers_work | yeh, try to find the modules and modprobe them to load them |
| 04:52.55 | hesco | that was the ticket, thanks! |
| 04:53.11 | hesco | I thought I had set those up to load on boot |
| 04:53.13 | cmyers_work | hesco: no problemo, glad it helped |
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| 04:55.30 | macrobat | digitalj_: try xmodmap -e "keysym Shift_R = BackSpace" |
| 04:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hesco, udev should load them when something tries to access the sound hardware |
| 04:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I dunno how to debug udev when it fails |
| 04:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !udev details |
| 04:58.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udev details is See http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/ols_2003_udev_paper/Reprint-Kroah-Hartman-OLS2003.pdf for all the details. |
| 04:58.10 | hesco | CutMeOwnThroat: no evidence that that happened. I was tipped off to this issue when a flash video came up w/o audio. I restarted the X server hoping that might help, but still no luck. Then skype complained and I went to rebuild alsa |
| 04:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could read all this and tell us :) |
| 05:00.20 | adb | hesco: blame flash |
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| 05:01.33 | hesco | ok, those have been added to: /etc/modules now. Perhaps that will help on the next reboot |
| 05:01.39 | fogus | evening. what IRC server would you all recommend for someone starting out with debian and looking for something easy with encryption/authentication? |
| 05:02.08 | hesco | this channel on this server is a good place to start |
| 05:02.09 | nsadmin | fogus: you want to run an irc server? |
| 05:02.18 | fogus | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:02.57 | hesco | what do you mean by encryption / authentication? is that related to the IRC server you want to run? |
| 05:03.18 | nsadmin | fogus: your best bet is to talk to irc ops |
| 05:03.26 | fogus | hesco: I would like to run the thing over tls |
| 05:03.40 | fogus | nsadmin: where to they hide? |
| 05:04.21 | fogus | nsadmin: someone here must run the IRC, right? |
| 05:04.37 | bpun | fogus, try twighlight |
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| 05:05.44 | fogus | twighlight: what irc server software do you run? |
| 05:07.11 | adb | fogus: run, apt-cache search ircd |
| 05:07.47 | fogus | adb: what's the difference between apt-cache and aptutide? |
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| 05:10.46 | adb | fogus: how long used debian /linux ? |
| 05:11.13 | fogus | 4 days/ 1 month |
| 05:11.42 | adb | well , wait before do a server ... |
| 05:12.15 | Gokee2 | Hello all, anyone happen to know the command to have grub rescan devices for OS's? I copied a windows install over to a partition and am hoping to make it work |
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| 05:13.02 | fogus | adb: its just an experiment. I promise |
| 05:13.11 | ajavid | Gokee2, update-grub |
| 05:13.15 | adb | Gokee2: --rechech ? |
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| 05:13.32 | adb | Gokee2: --recheck* ? |
| 05:13.48 | fogus | bpun: twighlight isn't around. |
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| 05:14.14 | Gokee2 | Ah great! Except that it does not notice the windows... |
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| 05:15.57 | fogus | adb: where is "twighlight" |
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| 05:16.06 | adb | update-grub --recheck ? |
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| 05:16.15 | adb | fogus: nowhere ? |
| 05:16.33 | fogus | adb: what is it then? |
| 05:16.42 | fogus | is it a person? |
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| 05:17.07 | fogus | or a channel? |
| 05:17.08 | adb | fogus: ask person who said it |
| 05:17.16 | fogus | adb: he is gone |
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| 05:17.40 | adb | fogus: run after |
| 05:17.53 | Gokee2 | update-grub --recheck looks around and finds all my linux kernels but not my windows |
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| 05:21.04 | cozminsky | Gokee2, check /etc/grub.d/README for grub2, it just indicates you should dump another file in there for that menu item |
| 05:21.42 | cozminsky | Gokee2, like with a chainloader statement I'd imagine |
| 05:22.35 | Gokee2 | cozminsky, Ah ok thanks |
| 05:22.40 | adb | update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda ? |
| 05:23.29 | Wyzard | grub-install has nothing to do with adding Windows entries to your GRUB boot menu |
| 05:24.04 | Gokee2 | Hmmm |
| 05:24.05 | cozminsky | aye, it just copies the grub program to the device |
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| 05:26.41 | Gokee2 | Well windows does not boot anyway... I guess I will have to reinstall it |
| 05:27.03 | cozminsky | Gokee2, you tried with the chainloader from grub prompt? |
| 05:27.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | edit /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 05:27.54 | Wyzard | Gokee2: Reinstalling Windows will overwrite GRUB entirely, which isn't what you want |
| 05:28.17 | Gokee2 | I added "titleWindows XP Professional root(hd0,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader+1" |
| 05:28.21 | cozminsky | but it's fairly easy to reinstall grub from rescue disk |
| 05:28.32 | Wyzard | And it's not the right thing to do anyway since the problem is most likely with your grub configuration, not your Windows installation |
| 05:28.38 | Gokee2 | Wyzard, I know, but I think windows did not like being copied from one comp to anyther |
| 05:28.41 | Gokee2 | another* |
| 05:29.11 | adb | heh |
| 05:29.11 | Gokee2 | Hmmm |
| 05:29.13 | Wyzard | ah, then it could be a problem with the Windows bootloader after all |
| 05:29.29 | Gokee2 | That kinda what I though |
| 05:29.32 | Gokee2 | thought* |
| 05:29.33 | Wyzard | Your grub configuration looks right, though I use "rootnoverify" rather than "root" since you don't want/need grub to mount the Windows partition before chainloading it |
| 05:29.40 | cozminsky | but I'd just try running the fixboot stuff from the rescue mode |
| 05:30.12 | Wyzard | Actually, you can do away with the "root" command entirely in that boot stanza, and just use "chainloader (hd0,0)+1" |
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| 05:30.55 | Gokee2 | It said Insert system disk or some such |
| 05:30.58 | Wyzard | I've never seen a need for the "savedefault" command, and "makeactive" shouldn't be necessary since a bootable Windows partition should have the boot flag set already |
| 05:31.23 | Gokee2 | was lazy and copy/pasted from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654441 |
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| 05:31.38 | Gokee2 | savedefault can be really handy though |
| 05:31.39 | Wyzard | That message comes from the Microsoft bootsector, so grub has successfully done its chainloading |
| 05:32.04 | Wyzard | "fixboot" from the recovery console would be the thing to do |
| 05:32.11 | Gokee2 | So fix a old copy of windows or reinstall :/ I am thinking reinstall |
| 05:32.30 | cozminsky | my motto is never reinstall |
| 05:32.46 | adb | !mbr |
| 05:32.46 | dpkg | methinks mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR |
| 05:32.49 | cozminsky | although it's probably not as applicable in windows land |
| 05:32.50 | Gokee2 | My motto is if you have to use windows reinstall weekly :) |
| 05:33.19 | adb | Gokee2: from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr |
| 05:33.38 | cozminsky | adb, That doesn't work on NT based windows |
| 05:33.46 | Gokee2 | Hmmm, but I don't even want to clutter up my mbr |
| 05:34.08 | Wyzard | Gokee2: This particular problem can probably be solved with "fixboot", but you may encounter other problems since Windows doesn't really support copying an installation from one filesystem to another |
| 05:34.19 | Wyzard | so I'd try fixboot, and if that doesn't work, reinstall and/or ask ##windows for further help |
| 05:34.56 | Gokee2 | is just gonna reinstall and be done with it |
| 05:34.58 | Gokee2 | :) |
| 05:35.23 | Wyzard | You don't want fixmbr -- that'll overwrite GRUB with the Microsoft MBR that doesn't support choosing which OS to boot |
| 05:37.20 | cozminsky | so is there a debian specific exim channel? |
| 05:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont think so |
| 05:39.07 | cozminsky | I'm wanting to build an exim4-config-custom |
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| 05:42.58 | buu | Does anyone have any reference material on making debian boot as fast as humanly possible, with a very limited set of required services (essentially just the ability to do network connections |
| 05:43.14 | buu | I'm mostly interested in running this from some kind of virtualization technology, such as yml |
| 05:43.17 | buu | uml =] |
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| 05:43.58 | cozminsky | buu, The headers in init.d scripts are pretty good these days for that |
| 05:44.18 | cozminsky | buu, and I think there is an article on wiki.debian.org |
| 05:44.43 | buu | What about a custom kernel or something? |
| 05:44.54 | craigevil | buu: http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
| 05:45.22 | craigevil | and http://wiki.debian.org/From_Naught_to_Sixty_in_5_Seconds |
| 05:45.49 | buu | craigevil: Sexy. |
| 05:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | to sixty?s |
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| 05:57.40 | j0z | how can I free console tty8, tty9 tty10 tty11 and tty12 on debian please? |
| 05:59.12 | mrtn123 | where can I download Debian "testing"(currently "squeeze") CD/DVD? Or should I download Lenny CD, install base system and then change repository in sources.list file to "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free " and upgrade my system? |
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| 06:00.01 | seria-mau | hi |
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| 06:00.33 | adb | j0z: /etc/inittab ? |
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| 06:01.45 | seria-mau | are there any discussion already going on "inside" debian about microsofts community promise and if it covers gpl licensed implementations? because i can't find a right to modify for recipients in this promise. even then, modifications are restricted to ones, which don't violate the specification |
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| 06:02.33 | adb | mrtn123: i prefer lenny install upgrade later |
| 06:03.04 | PingFloyd | anyone got any tips of how to find which config file in /etc are customized in comparison to what is installed from packages? |
| 06:03.16 | PingFloyd | files* |
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| 06:04.18 | cozminsky | PingFloyd, find /etc -name \*.dpkg-dist would get some of them |
| 06:04.46 | j0z | adb thanks |
| 06:04.51 | adb | seria-mau: ms promise what ? |
| 06:05.15 | adb | j0z: np |
| 06:05.43 | cozminsky | adb, It was the promise not to enforce their patents if someone was following the ECMA specs for the .NET CLI and C# |
| 06:06.56 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: I seem to be coming to the unfortunate conclusion there isn't really an easy way to do it |
| 06:07.20 | cozminsky | PingFloyd, yeah, that find will only get some of them |
| 06:07.46 | cozminsky | PingFloyd, If I wanted to get everything then I'd probably create a chroot with debootstrap |
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| 06:07.59 | adb | ah, and linux care about crap as .NET CLI and C# ? they want to impose new standards shit |
| 06:08.08 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: trying to figure out what files are the ones I've customized over the years in an automated fashion |
| 06:08.09 | adb | s |
| 06:08.15 | cozminsky | PingFloyd, and then install all the packages with dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:08.16 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: within /etc |
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| 06:08.43 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: and then compare |
| 06:08.52 | cozminsky | adb, it's already in debian, it's called mono |
| 06:08.58 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: yeah that seems like it would be the only way to be thorough |
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| 06:09.17 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: thanks for the help |
| 06:09.24 | ajavid | C# 3.5 support is decent enough |
| 06:09.29 | ajavid | winforms is done. |
| 06:09.38 | mrtn123 | adb: ok, but is there any other option at all? I mean I haven't found debian testing intallation CD. |
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| 06:09.56 | ajavid | WPF is still under work, mono will fully run c# 2.0 but 3.5 is still not fully done |
| 06:10.20 | ajavid | qt#, gtk#, or winforms |
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| 06:10.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.58 | cozminsky | mono is a pretty damn impressive effort |
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| 06:11.01 | adb | mrtn123: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:11.05 | ajavid | and the monodevelop IDE is nto that bad either |
| 06:11.28 | cozminsky | I thought monodevelop had a ways to go |
| 06:11.34 | ajavid | but... lately you can't top netbeans 6.7 even if you try |
| 06:11.35 | ajavid | :D |
| 06:11.53 | ajavid | not for C# |
| 06:12.05 | adb | mrtn123: be aware may not work on some hardware ... |
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| 06:14.43 | seria-mau | well, microsofts promise covers only c# 2.0 and the corresponding cli, anyway |
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| 06:15.16 | jdavis | how do I get X to start with ssh-agent so it will remember my keys? I already have "use-ssh-agent" in my Xsession.options |
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| 06:17.44 | Wyzard | jdavis: That should be all you need |
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| 06:18.22 | adb | seria-mau: now microsoft end in `s` ? |
| 06:18.23 | jdavis | Wyzard: ok, I'll try restarting X and see what happens. |
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| 06:20.24 | cozminsky | is there any way of getting similar functionality to screen detatch and reattach with X apps and xnest or something like that? |
| 06:20.32 | seria-mau | adb: sorry, in german you don't use the apopstroph in this case. should be: microsoft's |
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| 06:20.43 | nick__ | hey niggers |
| 06:20.49 | seria-mau | wtf |
| 06:21.02 | nick__ | man |
| 06:21.04 | nick__ | srsly |
| 06:21.20 | nick__ | you sick. sick butthole licking DEBIAN FAGS |
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| 06:21.27 | nick__ | how DARE you use the disgusting and fecal OS that is linux |
| 06:21.29 | nick__ | WINDOWS IS BEST |
| 06:21.30 | nick__ | ! |
| 06:21.31 | liable | bah |
| 06:21.34 | nick__ | you fags get raped in the mind by tux |
| 06:21.38 | liable | !ops nick__ troll |
| 06:21.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: nick__ troll |
| 06:21.43 | nick__ | his fag penguin guise makes you shriek out in terror for windows |
| 06:21.53 | nick__ | but he fucks you so hard you are forced to use linux |
| 06:21.59 | seria-mau | !ops nick__ troll |
| 06:21.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: seria-mau complains about: nick__ troll |
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| 06:22.05 | enouf_ | PingFloyd: i would also try \*.dpkg-old (since i have a few of those here, just - not sure if those are only generated when you upgrade an already installed pkg, and the .postinst + debconf asks you would you like to use the maintainer's default version, or keep your own modified one) |
| 06:22.05 | nick__ | i bet the faggots like liable who reply to this are being ass raped as we speak |
| 06:22.07 | carlitos__ | hi all |
| 06:22.12 | charitwo | nick__: let us be civil |
| 06:22.18 | nick__ | linux is slow, bloated, buggy, and turns you in to a fag |
| 06:22.22 | nick__ | WINDOWS IS BEST!!!! |
| 06:22.27 | carlitos__ | how to upgrade gtk+2.08 to gtk+2.10 o superior ? |
| 06:22.29 | nick__ | you huge fruits and your lies about bill gates must cease |
| 06:22.32 | nick__ | WINDOWS IS BEST!!!! |
| 06:22.34 | nick__ | you huge fruits and your lies about bill gates must cease |
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| 06:22.45 | streuner_ | good bot |
| 06:22.56 | cozminsky | enouf_, dpkg-old is where you install the maintainer's version, that's a copy of your modified config |
| 06:22.57 | carlitos__ | :D |
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| 06:25.41 | PingFloyd | enouf_: I don't have any of those files |
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| 06:26.20 | PingFloyd | enouf_: I think those are generated when debconf, during installation of pkg, sees that you have a custom config file and you choose the option to keep the old custom one instead of letting it install the new one from the pkg |
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| 06:26.35 | PingFloyd | enouf_: erm actually the opposite |
| 06:26.59 | PingFloyd | enouf_: dpkg-old if you let debconf replace custom config, where as it will leave a dpkg-distro if you choose to keep the custom config file |
| 06:27.01 | cozminsky | aye PingFloyd |
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| 06:27.18 | PingFloyd | the dpkg-old being a copy of your custom one |
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| 06:28.50 | PingFloyd | the other thing that seems to present a challenge is that sometimes pkgs will use debconf to generate a config, while other time it will just simple copy a config file |
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| 06:29.09 | rhys | anyone know anything other than rdiff-backup that can easily work with 60gb of music? |
| 06:29.10 | enouf_ | PingFloyd: s/-distro/-dist |
| 06:29.19 | PingFloyd | enouf_: yeah |
| 06:29.21 | mrtn123 | adb: thanks! You mean squeeze will not work on older hardware? Or is there some major hardware support differences between "stable" and "testing"? |
| 06:30.07 | enouf_ | mrtn123: if any, not too much - but as fas as older hardware, likely none |
| 06:30.20 | adb | mrtn123: i just seen some complain about squeeze , not tested |
| 06:30.28 | PingFloyd | I think from now one I'm going to better document the custom changes -- doesn't seem to be any substitute for that |
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| 06:31.01 | enouf_ | mrtn123: newer kernels, like lenny-backports version, would offer better say ext4 and certain wifi support |
| 06:31.06 | cozminsky | PingFloyd, etckeeper or something like that |
| 06:31.18 | PingFloyd | cozminsky: thanks, I'll have to look at that |
| 06:31.22 | cozminsky | PingFloyd, or just generic version control system |
| 06:31.28 | mrtn123 | adb: And why do you recommend using Lenny as a base system and then |
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| 06:31.40 | mrtn123 | ...upgrade to testing. |
| 06:31.42 | mrtn123 | ? |
| 06:32.02 | enouf_ | PingFloyd: i just keep backup snapshots of /etc/ |
| 06:32.23 | adb | mrtn123: it's safer ? |
| 06:32.32 | cozminsky | etckeeper stores your /etc in git or some other vcs |
| 06:32.34 | enouf_ | PingFloyd: i hear etckeeper either a) is a PITA to use, and/or b) buggy - check BTS? |
| 06:32.41 | PingFloyd | enouf_: so do I, but that is everything. Whereas, I'm trying to find the changes |
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| 06:32.49 | enouf_ | PingFloyd: diff |
| 06:33.09 | enouf_ | diff3 even :-P or cmp or comm or something |
| 06:33.13 | adb | dpkg: tell mrtn123 about kmuto |
| 06:33.51 | rhys | does anyone know how rdiff-backup and rsync detect file changes? |
| 06:34.02 | enouf_ | checksums? |
| 06:34.05 | adb | mrtn123: kmuto is for newer hardware or `difficult ones` |
| 06:34.05 | cozminsky | they check mtime first |
| 06:34.22 | cozminsky | and then crypto checksum |
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| 06:35.07 | mrtn123 | adb: thansk! |
| 06:35.13 | adb | np |
| 06:35.15 | jelly-home | rhys: it's a rtfm: "Rsync finds files that need to be transferred using a âquick checkâ algorithm (by default) that looks for files that have changed in size or in last-modified time." |
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| 06:37.29 | rhys | hm. I was curious of that in comparison to unison |
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| 06:40.59 | shiki- | hello |
| 06:41.16 | shiki- | can anybody point me to a 0.8.5 rtorrent .deb package? |
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| 06:42.27 | adb | shiki-: on lenny ? |
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| 06:43.18 | shiki- | uhm.. its ok if its for experimental/sid/anything.. (btw AFAIK, libtorrent+rtorrent what needed only ..rtorrent needs libtorrent..and thats all) |
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| 06:43.33 | shiki- | btw its a lenny + testing(pinning, no package installed from there atm) OS |
| 06:44.10 | enouf_ | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 06:44.20 | enouf_ | compile it |
| 06:44.23 | judd | enouf_: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.4+tit-4 squeeze: 0.8.4+tit-4 |
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| 06:46.06 | shiki- | enouf_, thats what Im trying... but I cant create package from libtorrent.. it dies for some reason (even though I can install it from source) |
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| 06:47.10 | adb | shiki-: what's wrong with lenny rtorrent ? |
| 06:47.12 | shiki- | well.. I'll have some fun them.. |
| 06:47.14 | shiki- | it dies |
| 06:47.20 | shiki- | "too many open files" ; or "pipe...." |
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| 06:48.18 | enouf_ | judd: depends rtorrent |
| 06:48.19 | judd | enouf_: rtorrent -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libtorrent10, libxmlrpc-c3 |
| 06:48.47 | shiki- | :/... will be a nice round |
| 06:48.55 | enouf_ | judd: depends rtorrent --release unstable |
| 06:49.00 | lulzafrog | does anyone know how to troubleshoot the horrible flash segfaulting in linux, it seems to affect deb more than buntu' |
| 06:49.03 | judd | enouf_: rtorrent -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libtorrent11, libxmlrpc-c3 |
| 06:49.22 | lulzafrog | this problem has been around a long time |
| 06:49.41 | lulzafrog | im willing to help out anyway possibe |
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| 06:50.02 | enouf_ | !reportbug |
| 06:50.02 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
| 06:51.40 | supa_disko | guys: two machines apparently identical, I have wrapper binary that runs on one, but on the other --> |
| 06:52.19 | supa_disko | ./wrapper --> bash: ./wrapper: no such file or directory |
| 06:52.32 | supa_disko | any ideas? |
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| 06:52.57 | enouf_ | "apparent" isn't apparently apparent in your case :-) |
| 06:53.01 | adb | .wrapper |
| 06:53.07 | supa_disko | even when I md5sum it's the same |
| 06:53.27 | enouf_ | there's more than 1 file on each box |
| 06:53.49 | supa_disko | thought that could be the case but what package could render the binary unrunnable |
| 06:53.51 | enouf_ | supa_disko: chmod +x ? |
| 06:53.56 | supa_disko | nope not that |
| 06:54.13 | enouf_ | supa_disko: relative PATHs perhaps |
| 06:54.30 | adb | cd /dir/wraper , ls find wrapper? |
| 06:54.50 | supa_disko | I'll try that, I'm running "./wrapper" |
| 06:54.57 | supa_disko | it's the java tanuki wrapper fyi |
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| 06:55.51 | enouf_ | relative being .,/,,/,,/ like sys uses much of -- or perhaps a VAR issue; instead of $HOME or whatever, use /home/username (full path) |
| 06:56.11 | enouf_ | ewww .. java |
| 06:56.50 | g00se | supa_disko: Are you root on one box and not the other? |
| 06:57.01 | supa_disko | I've sudoed |
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| 06:57.59 | g00se | supa_disko: Try sudo ifconfig on each too |
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| 06:58.48 | adb | supa_disko: echo $PATH , on both, and compare |
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| 07:00.30 | supa_disko | path, export --> all looks ok |
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| 07:00.40 | supa_disko | checking hava paths now |
| 07:00.44 | supa_disko | java* |
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| 07:01.05 | g00se | supa_disko: Please post output of ls -l ./wrapper for broken one |
| 07:01.46 | jmoncayo | anyone here configured chillispot? i am having some trouble, the dhcp works fine in the chillispot interface, but when i try to navigate it wont redirect to the login cgi, instead it will say address not valid |
| 07:01.46 | supa_disko | -rwxr-x--x 1 root root 99401 2009-07-08 13:31 ./wrapper |
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| 07:03.30 | jmoncayo | how can i freez my hardrive? i want to install a bunch of programs i will need only for a few hours, when i am done i would like to go back to how it is right now. any suggestion? |
| 07:03.40 | g00se | supa_disko: Does the working one give output when it's run? |
| 07:03.57 | cozminsky | jmoncayo, put it in the fridge |
| 07:04.03 | supa_disko | yes it does, but the broken just says can't find itself |
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| 07:04.20 | jmoncayo | cozminsky: i am looking for help not for those jokes |
| 07:05.09 | cmyers_home | jmoncayo: if you are using apt to install the programs, you should be able to apt-get remove --purge the programs afterwards and be "where you were before" |
| 07:05.14 | cmyers_home | that is the point of package management. |
| 07:05.21 | bpun | jmoncayo, if they can go to ~/local then thats fine |
| 07:05.46 | supa_disko | wrapper: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.30, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.30, not stripped --> when i file wrapper |
| 07:06.17 | cozminsky | jmoncayo, you could also back up your drive with dd or partimage |
| 07:06.19 | jmoncayo | cmyers_home: i need to install a few packages from source |
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| 07:06.39 | cmyers_home | source packages? or you mean source which is not in the debian repository? |
| 07:06.40 | cozminsky | jmoncayo, and then restore |
| 07:06.50 | hark | supa_disko: where are you running it from? |
| 07:07.35 | jmoncayo | cmyers_home: source which is not in the debian repository |
| 07:08.05 | cozminsky | jmoncayo, you could always install it in a chroot too |
| 07:08.26 | adb | jmoncayo: use debootstarp |
| 07:08.31 | supa_disko | "/home/app_user/bin/wrapper" |
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| 07:08.39 | supa_disko | "/home/app_user/bin/" |
| 07:08.42 | cmyers_home | does it use gnu autotools? if they all do then "./configure --prefix /home/foo/bar" should put *everything* under that directory, which you can simply delete afterwards. |
| 07:09.08 | jmoncayo | cmyers_home: thanks a lot |
| 07:09.13 | jmoncayo | i am going to try it |
| 07:09.13 | hark | supa_disko: is it mounted noexec? or say /tmp? |
| 07:09.19 | g00se | supa_disko: What's the full command you're giving? |
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| 07:09.55 | supa_disko | no mounted normally and the full command I'm giving is ./wrapper |
| 07:10.05 | jmoncayo | cmyers_home: i want to compile from source chillispot + freeradius |
| 07:10.08 | cmyers_home | good luck jmoncayo - if prefix doesn't work, the chroot suggestion is your next best bet |
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| 07:10.40 | g00se | supa_disko: What happened to the sudo you mentioned earlier? |
| 07:10.49 | supa_disko | is there a set of libraries I need to run ELF/32bit binary? |
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| 07:11.09 | g00se | No |
| 07:11.12 | cmyers_home | if you search the debian wiki, there are some good docs about spinning up a chroot - specifically, for a 32 bit chroot in amd64 back before most things worked in there - the directions for setting up a chroot with the exact same distro are almost identical |
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| 07:12.14 | supa_disko | I have root access, and have given +x |
| 07:12.38 | g00se | whoami |
| 07:12.54 | supa_disko | dude lol, I'm not that bad :) |
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| 07:13.34 | g00se | Nobody's saying you are ;-) Always worth a check |
| 07:13.57 | cozminsky | could it be that mandatory access control stuff (i.e selinux) |
| 07:14.32 | jmoncayo | cmyers_home: if the --prefix was not supported i should get an error right? |
| 07:14.58 | supa_disko | I have an init script but that fails when it runs the wrapper command, so I've just gone right ahead and ./wrapper expecting something to happen |
| 07:15.01 | cmyers_home | yeh, if you have a configure script and a configure.in file in the source directory, then it is the gnu tools and it should work. |
| 07:15.02 | enouf_ | supa_disko: compare outputs of echo $JAVA_HOME and (which is default for) "update-java-alternatives" ? |
| 07:15.09 | cozminsky | jmoncayo, ./config --help will give you all the options it supports, but I haven't seen autoconf that didn't have prefix |
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| 07:15.15 | supa_disko | but nothing, just complains that it can't find the file/directory |
| 07:15.19 | cmyers_home | when you run "make install", don't run it as root |
| 07:15.31 | cmyers_home | that way it can't put files in /bin or anything, only where you have write access. |
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| 07:15.40 | g00se | supa_disko: su -c ./wrapper |
| 07:16.13 | jmoncayo | cmyers_home: |
| 07:16.14 | jmoncayo | awesome |
| 07:17.32 | supa_disko | g00se: same result with your suggestion, I've even chmod 777 wrapper lol |
| 07:17.38 | enouf_ | supa_disko: have you recently added the username, that you're sudo'ing from, to a group, but haven;t logged out/in that username? compare output of 'groups' |
| 07:18.04 | enouf_ | supa_disko: same FSTypes? |
| 07:18.46 | enouf_ | supa_disko: is /var/ or /tmp/ 'ro'? ,, is that ubuntu? :-P |
| 07:19.13 | enouf_ | strace the fucken thing already |
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| 07:22.04 | ajavid | yes! I am successfully building vmware 6.5.2! |
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| 07:22.48 | ajavid | phew! finally man... I applied the patch on .30, failed on hunk#9, I took a look at the patch and the sources and there was an extra function that wasn't needed, now it applied and vmware just build its modules and installed |
| 07:22.52 | ajavid | :D |
| 07:23.18 | supa_disko | http://pastebin.com/m2e011b03 |
| 07:23.27 | abstortedminds | anyone know where i can find a version of debian unpatched from ~2005 |
| 07:23.36 | abstortedminds | im coming up empty on google |
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| 07:24.40 | supa_disko | http://pastebin.com/m6f3f82bb --> comparable working output |
| 07:24.54 | supa_disko | that was the strace suggestion |
| 07:25.27 | cozminsky | abstortedminds, archive.debian.org |
| 07:25.37 | abstortedminds | thx |
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| 07:27.07 | cozminsky | abstortedminds, I think that would be sarge, so it will have updates from after then |
| 07:27.11 | abstortedminds | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.2/ |
| 07:27.15 | abstortedminds | doesnt have an iso? |
| 07:27.40 | supa_disko | lseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek) --> that's where it's going wrong, now wtf does that mean hahaha |
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| 07:28.43 | cozminsky | supa_disko, and you've checked selinux isn't the cause? |
| 07:29.14 | g00se | supa_disko: Actually neither is working |
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| 07:30.20 | cozminsky | g00se, you have selinux on? |
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| 07:30.51 | g00se | cozminsky: I don't mean for me |
| 07:31.20 | g00se | supa_disko: Try ./wrapper -? for the non-working one |
| 07:31.43 | cozminsky | g00se, I'm getting confused as to who has the problem ;) |
| 07:32.03 | g00se | cozminsky: Not me ;-) |
| 07:33.08 | cozminsky | abstortedminds, I don't know about an iso, but debootstrap might support a version of debian that old |
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| 07:35.31 | mintux | I want tar several file's and folder but I don't want some folder .. how can I tar them and ignore that folders for archiving ? in command line ? |
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| 07:35.51 | cozminsky | mintux, there is a flag in tar for that |
| 07:35.54 | cmyers_home | mintux: man tar search for "--exclude" |
| 07:36.01 | mintux | ok |
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| 07:36.41 | cozminsky | or you could use find ... | cpio -o |
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| 07:42.45 | mintux | cmyers_home: it works for just one file or folder I mean tar -cvvf 1.tar * --exclude=1 2 just 1 ignored I try space , and I put between '' even any suggestion ? |
| 07:43.09 | cmyers_home | you can use multiple excludes |
| 07:43.17 | cmyers_home | --exclude=1 --exclude=2 |
| 07:43.47 | mintux | hmm |
| 07:44.09 | g00se | supa_disko: Also make sure you've got the right download. I just downloaded an 'x86' one and it isn't ... |
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| 07:53.44 | faffi | is there a way to completely undo an apt-get upgrade |
| 07:54.07 | cozminsky | faffi, not completely |
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| 07:54.27 | faffi | cozminsky: basically kde 4.2 just got installed when i didnt want it to |
| 07:54.48 | cozminsky | faffi, but you can force a downgrade to lenny |
| 07:55.00 | faffi | of my entire system? |
| 07:55.07 | faffi | i just dont want kde 4.2 |
| 07:55.22 | cozminsky | faffi, aye, the whole system |
| 07:55.36 | faffi | well is there a way i can just get rid of kde 4.2? |
| 07:55.41 | faffi | and restore 3.5 |
| 07:56.11 | cozminsky | faffi, you can add lenny to your apt sources and downgrade all the packages manually I guess |
| 07:56.14 | ajavid | no |
| 07:56.17 | ajavid | you cannot |
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| 07:56.33 | ajavid | 3.5 is not available for anything but lenny/stable |
| 07:56.33 | faffi | well damn, looks like i have to switch to gnome |
| 07:56.52 | faffi | restarting for fun |
| 07:56.56 | cozminsky | faffi, gnome is bad for your soul, use xfce instead |
| 07:57.00 | faffi | haha |
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| 07:57.05 | faffi | i like pretty desktops :/ |
| 07:57.18 | faffi | and i really like kde 3.5 |
| 07:57.33 | TiMiDo | kde sucks |
| 07:57.41 | cozminsky | faffi, I don't like gnome for the same reasons I don't think kde4 is ready yet |
| 07:57.42 | jelly-home | !start a de war |
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| 07:57.52 | ajavid | I use debian stable 5 with KDE 3.5.10, Kernel 2.6.30, Xorg 7.4, Python2.6, and now I finally got vmware (6.5.2) to build, as well as Firefox 3.5 and I'm on amd64 |
| 07:57.55 | ajavid | :D |
| 07:58.09 | ajavid | if you really want KDE 3.5, you have to do stuff like this... drastic stuff |
| 07:58.16 | ajavid | Lenny + Steroids |
| 07:58.55 | ajavid | and I basically backport whatever I need, if the stable version doesn't do what I want, its not that bad |
| 07:59.07 | ajavid | this is still the most stable distro I've ever used |
| 07:59.14 | ajavid | lenny++ |
| 07:59.24 | cozminsky | unstable is pretty rock solid usually |
| 07:59.38 | ajavid | uhm.. what? |
| 07:59.41 | jelly-home | but kde 3 is an evolutionary dead end, not going to work long term |
| 07:59.44 | cozminsky | but kde4 just destroyed my will to live |
| 07:59.46 | faffi | haha it booted into kde 3.5 |
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| 07:59.57 | faffi | but one of my monitors keeps turning off and on... |
| 08:00.11 | ajavid | jelly-home, yes, but by that time, we'll have KDE 4.5, and it will have the features and stuff and it will be much more mature. |
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| 08:00.18 | ajavid | jelly-home, until then, 3.5 it is. |
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| 08:00.43 | cozminsky | kde4 will have my pet feature in 4.4 milestone according to the bug tracker |
| 08:01.05 | jelly-home | ajavid: dunno, kde 4.2 has about the same features as current xfce4 (plus bling) |
| 08:01.14 | ajavid | nah |
| 08:01.26 | cozminsky | I just want a desktop environment that can mimic the good old days when I had an awesome fvwmrc |
| 08:01.26 | ajavid | desktop lick popup configuration is not configurable |
| 08:01.28 | ajavid | for one |
| 08:01.31 | ajavid | I mean I could go on and on |
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| 08:01.40 | ajavid | tons of stuff KDE 3.5 can do that kde4 can't |
| 08:01.54 | ajavid | it will take time to get those little tiny things in there |
| 08:02.01 | cozminsky | I'm waiting for menus bound to a mouse click |
| 08:02.03 | ajavid | I'm still KDE all the way dude, I hate gnome. |
| 08:02.14 | faffi | so how come i just booted into kde 3.5... |
| 08:02.19 | ajavid | or xfce, or just gtk2 in general |
| 08:02.28 | ajavid | faffi, I dunno, how? |
| 08:02.37 | faffi | ajavid: i just got upgraded to 4.2 |
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| 08:02.42 | cozminsky | faffi, maybe you only installed the kdelibs package from 4.2 |
| 08:02.44 | faffi | i dont have kde3 anymore |
| 08:02.47 | supa_disko | guys: thanks all, g00se managed to pinpoint it down, I used dl the wrapper.tar.gz, used the 64 bit version and it worked, what threw me off was these server are supposed to be "same" |
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| 08:02.58 | faffi | cozminsky: maybe |
| 08:03.37 | faffi | is there a way to prevent ever getting upgraded from 3.5 |
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| 08:04.49 | cozminsky | faffi, hold all the packages in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 08:05.06 | faffi | is there one in particular that i should hold |
| 08:05.15 | faffi | like kdebase-bin |
| 08:05.40 | cozminsky | faffi, I think you're going to need all of them to be safe |
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| 08:09.49 | click170 | The RX Bytes and TX Bytes on the interfaces on my gateway seem to have stopped accumulating the number of bytes crossing that box, has anyone experienced this or know how to get them counting again? |
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| 08:11.35 | supa_disko | thanks all for the help :) |
| 08:12.11 | guyzmo | hi |
| 08:12.36 | cozminsky | guyzmo, howdy |
| 08:12.59 | guyzmo | debian has got squid3-STABLE8, and I'd like to package and install squid3-STABLE16, what's the simplest way to do it ? |
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| 08:13.32 | guyzmo | (when I say simple, I only got until noon to do that, otherwise I'll have to do it in /usr/local :-S) |
| 08:14.32 | cozminsky | guyzmo, I'd just grab the source package and copy the debian directory out, replace update the changelog for the new version |
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| 08:15.13 | guyzmo | GMT +2 |
| 08:15.42 | cozminsky | guyzmo, rename your upstream tarball to the format expected and then fix any of the patches that don't succeed against the new version |
| 08:15.51 | nick_fn | Lenny installer guided LVM picks weird sizes for the logical volumes. massive /home, tiny / and /usr and /var |
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| 08:16.33 | guyzmo | cozminsky - ok |
| 08:17.02 | cozminsky | not really much point in a big home on a server, but root and usr are usually pretty small |
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| 08:18.02 | cozminsky | guyzmo, then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 08:18.36 | guyzmo | thanks a lot :) |
| 08:19.03 | guyzmo | I could even publish my version |
| 08:19.09 | cozminsky | guyzmo, looks like stable13 is in squeeze |
| 08:19.39 | guyzmo | hum |
| 08:19.49 | cozminsky | guyzmo, in fact STABLE16 is in unstable |
| 08:19.55 | guyzmo | anyway, I have to recompile to make optimisations |
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| 08:20.12 | guyzmo | http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v3/3.0/ |
| 08:20.25 | cozminsky | guyzmo, so just grab the source packages from unstable, and build it |
| 08:20.26 | guyzmo | Current STABLE release, suitable for production use, squid-3.0.STABLE16, Jun 15, 2009 |
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| 08:20.39 | cozminsky | http://packages.debian.org/sid/squid3 |
| 08:20.53 | guyzmo | but, well, that's true there musn't be much difference between -13 and -16 :) |
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| 08:21.46 | guyzmo | uh, it's -STABLE16 you gave |
| 08:22.16 | cozminsky | yeah, I have squeeze source lines, didn't check what was in unstable first |
| 08:22.19 | faffi | ok so i went ahead and upgraded to kde 4.2 fully and now i dont have a desktop |
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| 08:22.34 | faffi | two black screens, my yakuake window and pidgin which autostarts |
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| 08:22.55 | faffi | im running squeeze |
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| 08:23.43 | guyzmo | and next release will be called squeeze ? :) |
| 08:24.03 | cozminsky | aye, squeeze is testing atm |
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| 08:24.12 | JyZyXEL | faffi: kde 4.2 is a PoS |
| 08:24.28 | faffi | JyZyXEL: I know :/ I wanted to keep my 3.5 but it upgraded half the stuff already |
| 08:24.35 | JyZyXEL | hehe |
| 08:24.46 | JyZyXEL | you are not alone there |
| 08:24.49 | simonrvn | guyzmo: when it's released |
| 08:24.49 | faffi | so now im screwed, i dont have a desktop |
| 08:24.51 | cozminsky | JyZyXEL, but it has potential, it'll probably be okay by kde4.5 |
| 08:24.58 | faffi | its crap |
| 08:25.01 | Night_Elf | hi all. If I wanted to install some sort of web interface to administer a server in a lan, what could I install? Could I use webmin for this ? |
| 08:25.04 | JyZyXEL | think not |
| 08:25.14 | JyZyXEL | they took a whole new road |
| 08:25.20 | faffi | it looks like vista |
| 08:25.22 | faffi | lol |
| 08:25.30 | JyZyXEL | a road that leads to a steaming pile of crap |
| 08:25.35 | cozminsky | I got it looking how I wanted pretty easily |
| 08:25.44 | cozminsky | just didn't have the features |
| 08:25.48 | faffi | im debating between xfce fluxbox and gnome now... |
| 08:25.53 | cozminsky | and some of the apps are buggy |
| 08:26.08 | cozminsky | go with a tiling window manager like ratpoison ;) |
| 08:26.11 | JyZyXEL | faffi: i changed to xfce after i did the same as you |
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| 08:26.18 | scream_ | was a die-hard KDE user form kde 1.x. but kde4 really made me switch to something esle(xfce) |
| 08:26.20 | simonrvn | faffi: fwiw, i'm running xfce+openbox |
| 08:26.33 | faffi | whats openbox |
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| 08:26.57 | simonrvn | same spirit as blackbox, fluxbox, but different codebase |
| 08:26.59 | cozminsky | I'm assuming it's a variant of blackbox,fluxbox, etc. |
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| 08:27.24 | guyzmo | is a die hard anti-kde troller, since kde 1 : kde sux cos qt is not free :) |
| 08:27.26 | jmoncayo | does someone here has configured successfully chillispot with freeradius? |
| 08:27.30 | JyZyXEL | how can you use both xfce and openbox |
| 08:27.30 | simonrvn | started off as a fork of blackbox, but went in another direction with v 3.x |
| 08:27.40 | faffi | is there a reason some of my commands arent autocompleting in the konsole |
| 08:27.46 | simonrvn | wm. simple. |
| 08:29.43 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: instead of xfwm4 i use openbox. it's not hard, and xfce saves the session if you want. |
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| 08:30.41 | JyZyXEL | why not happy with xfwm? |
| 08:32.02 | faffi | how do i turn on autocomplete |
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| 08:32.31 | simonrvn | faffi: your shell does that |
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| 08:32.44 | faffi | bash? |
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| 08:33.00 | JyZyXEL | or zsh |
| 08:33.04 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:33.14 | faffi | it doesnt do it when i use sudo |
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| 08:34.07 | Triumph | Should I go with Debian or Gentoo ? |
| 08:34.23 | Night_Elf | hi all. If I wanted to install some sort of web interface to administer a server in a lan, what could I install? I see webmin is not considered 'proper' for its way of managing is a bit off of how debian does things. What could I use instead ? |
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| 08:34.36 | cozminsky | Triumph, what do you want to achieve? |
| 08:34.50 | cozminsky | Night_Elf, webmin would be fine |
| 08:35.02 | Triumph | An up-to-date system, that I can control with great use etc etc, and basically a system I can configure. |
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| 08:36.05 | cozminsky | Triumph, either of those would be fine, if you have the patience for compiling |
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| 08:36.21 | Triumph | Mk, cozminsky... |
| 08:36.22 | Night_Elf | cozminsky: webmin seems not to be in the repos any more |
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| 08:36.29 | craigevil | !webmin |
| 08:36.29 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 08:36.41 | bassliner | lol |
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| 08:37.06 | Night_Elf | not good. not good |
| 08:37.08 | JyZyXEL | nice :D |
| 08:38.00 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: http://tr.im/rmeB |
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| 08:38.15 | JyZyXEL | Triumph: http://funroll-loops.info/gentoo.jpg and http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 08:38.49 | Night_Elf | so.. uhmm... what can be used instead of webmin ? |
| 08:39.03 | JyZyXEL | for what? |
| 08:39.20 | Night_Elf | to webadminister a server in a lan ? |
| 08:39.27 | JyZyXEL | i use Vim |
| 08:39.28 | Night_Elf | a file server and samba server |
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| 08:39.44 | cozminsky | Night_Elf, just use swat |
| 08:39.54 | Night_Elf | JyZyXEL: I would as well, but I have to have others check that server too, once in a while |
| 08:40.19 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: that's my desktop from a few days ago |
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| 08:40.34 | JyZyXEL | simonrvn: is that xfce-panel? |
| 08:40.59 | Night_Elf | cozminsky: will check that out |
| 08:41.31 | cozminsky | Night_Elf, that's only a web interface for samba |
| 08:41.38 | JyZyXEL | Night_Elf: so make the others use vim too? ;) |
| 08:43.19 | Night_Elf | cozminsky: it's fine as most of what the others will have to do will involve samba. |
| 08:43.44 | Night_Elf | JyZyXEL: hah. So they'd hunt to kill me in my sleep afterwards |
| 08:44.11 | JyZyXEL | id hunt to kill if someone made me use swat or webmin |
| 08:44.21 | cozminsky | are there any frontends to puppet? |
| 08:45.04 | Night_Elf | JyZyXEL: but I need some look-point-and-do-something sort of interface. The people who will use the server are windows drones |
| 08:45.17 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: yeh |
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| 09:00.42 | ShredZ | How can I see which kernel parameters are supported by the running kernel ? |
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| 09:02.16 | abstortedminds | where is the source tree in debian? |
| 09:03.41 | JyZyXEL | ShredZ: do you mean /boot/config*? |
| 09:04.28 | ShredZ | JyZyXEL, I'm looking whether lenny supports the nohz parameter (or another which yields the same effect) |
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| 09:05.54 | JyZyXEL | i think there is a debian kernel channel |
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| 09:06.07 | JyZyXEL | those guise might know |
| 09:06.33 | guyzmo | cozminsky - really thank you a lot, it's compiling now :) |
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| 09:07.58 | guyzmo | and about configuration files deployment, I was thinking on using puppet (but I got to learn how to use and deploy it)... meanwhile what solutions would you guys suggest : rsync ? using debian packages for it ? any other idea ? |
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| 09:10.22 | mrtn123 | hello |
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| 09:16.23 | firespeaker | using stock kernels (from unstable) and self-compiled kernels on an Acer Aspire One, acpid and kacpi_notify eat processor cycles when my laptop lid is closed |
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| 09:17.02 | firespeaker | there's a lot of stuff online about related issues, but none seem to be quite the same as what's happening with me |
| 09:17.14 | firespeaker | e.g., I can't see that the lid close event is being sent over and over |
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| 09:18.28 | enouf_ | ShredZ: grep HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 09:19.11 | enouf_ | ShredZ: the NO_HZ == dynamic tick, IIRC - it's not the kernel interrupt HZ setting |
| 09:19.50 | enouf_ | (which usually ranges a few values, from 100-1000, iirc) |
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| 09:20.04 | ShredZ | enouf_, it's to lighten up on the esx server running a bunch of vm's |
| 09:20.46 | enouf_ | ShredZ: you then would want the 'kernel interrupt HZ setting' (and other things such as PREEMPT, and such) , not Dynamic Tick |
| 09:21.08 | enouf_ | ShredZ: NO_HZ was made to conserve power on laptops and such |
| 09:22.57 | simonrvn | and was found to be useful on desktops heh |
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| 09:24.40 | enouf_ | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/kernel/Kconfig.hz |
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| 09:25.41 | sylarr | hi, |
| 09:25.50 | enouf_ | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y <--ugh .. on my .29? yeeeOUCH! |
| 09:26.53 | sylarr | I have two computers, if I connect them to each other with serial line, and make them have a serial console to each other, (at boot time too) would I also have the regular VGA console? |
| 09:27.54 | cozminsky | sylarr, if you configure it that way in inittab |
| 09:28.20 | guyzmo | cozminsky - and last thing, where do I set for dpkg-buildpackage builds optimizations like gcc options' -O3 and -mtune=athlon-xp ? |
| 09:29.07 | cozminsky | guyzmo, I think you'd need to look at debian/rules |
| 09:29.30 | sylarr | cozminsky, I think it is defined in grub, no? |
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| 09:30.36 | enouf_ | sylarr: vga (vesafb) gets loaded via a kernel boot param in debian kernels |
| 09:31.07 | enouf_ | !fbcon resolution |
| 09:31.08 | dpkg | methinks fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 09:31.57 | enouf_ | sylarr: IIRC, even lenny's .26 uses uvesafb.ko |
| 09:32.02 | guyzmo | hum in dpkg-buildpackage's man it seems to take env variables CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS |
| 09:32.30 | sylarr | enouf_, the serial console is also via kernel options: |
| 09:32.36 | sylarr | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/492 |
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| 09:32.51 | sylarr | enouf_, "Then, boot your kernel with the console=ttyS[X] where X is the COM port number." |
| 09:32.52 | enouf_ | guyzmo: i forget offhand, might want to view man dpkg-source, and install devscripts pkg |
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| 09:33.11 | enouf_ | sylarr: yes |
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| 09:33.35 | guyzmo | yeah, it takes it from environment |
| 09:33.38 | guyzmo | loves dpkg |
| 09:33.40 | sylarr | so if I have both will it be like dual duplicate view? |
| 09:33.59 | enouf_ | "dual duplicate view"? |
| 09:34.01 | enouf_ | whoa |
| 09:34.24 | sylarr | enouf_, I mean that I will see about the same thing in both |
| 09:34.35 | enouf_ | !tias |
| 09:34.35 | dpkg | tias is probably try it and see, or what you should have done first. |
| 09:34.40 | enouf_ | :-) |
| 09:35.17 | sylarr | enouf_, I need to get the serial hardware installed, so I would rather know prior |
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| 09:36.01 | enouf_ | hrm, would attaching a serial console be more like a) host / client b) peer2peer c) none-of-the-above ? |
| 09:36.04 | sylarr | (I even need to find it and buy it) |
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| 09:36.40 | sylarr | enouf_, it would be a) but in both ways |
| 09:36.40 | enouf_ | sylarr: i can't tell you definitively |
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| 09:37.12 | sylarr | enouf_, I want both computers to be reading each other's console. |
| 09:37.18 | enouf_ | isn't that defined as p2p? |
| 09:37.37 | sylarr | if you say, I guess it is :) |
| 09:37.42 | enouf_ | !listkeys p2p |
| 09:37.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'p2p' by key (4): _default p2p ;; _default start a p2p war ;; start a p2p war ;; p2p. |
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| 09:37.50 | enouf_ | !p2p |
| 09:37.51 | dpkg | well, p2p is peer to peer. Power to the People |
| 09:37.56 | enouf_ | ... |
| 09:39.06 | epsilon | :-P to :-P |
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| 09:42.16 | Odysseus | how come debain wont boot from usb but linux mint, ubuntu, and fedora will |
| 09:43.15 | enouf_ | usb emulation and syslinux issues? |
| 09:43.55 | Odysseus | what anouf? |
| 09:44.00 | Odysseus | enouf * |
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| 09:45.52 | enouf_ | Odysseus: what exactly did you d/l and try to boot with using debian? |
| 09:46.14 | JJOliver | hrm, real quick question, I use screen. Gnome 'hung' for a while so I ctrl+alt F5'ed to tty5 and ran screen -x which worked perfectly. Only now Gnome is working nicely I need to close tty5 and use screen via terminal in gnome. How do I close the screen session in tty5 without shutting screen down? |
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| 09:46.25 | Odysseus | enouf_ http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html |
| 09:46.41 | enouf_ | epsilon: :-P-2-P-: |
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| 09:47.08 | JJOliver | eww. enouf_ are you kissing epsilon? |
| 09:47.10 | enouf_ | Odysseus: er .. that's not /msg dpkg usb install |
| 09:47.24 | enouf_ | JJOliver: you never know |
| 09:47.32 | JJOliver | !lart enouf_ |
| 09:47.32 | dpkg | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at enouf_ |
| 09:47.39 | JJOliver | (-: |
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| 09:47.44 | enouf_ | heh |
| 09:48.25 | enouf_ | wait! .. why my tail? |
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| 09:48.51 | JJOliver | huh?! |
| 09:49.36 | JJOliver | ah |
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| 09:49.45 | enouf | better |
| 09:49.46 | JJOliver | hunts for enouf's tail. . . |
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| 09:50.15 | enouf | is in search of some new tail |
| 09:50.20 | JJOliver | Anyway, enough messing around, I have an _unanswered_ question . . . |
| 09:50.21 | enouf | O_o |
| 09:50.24 | JJOliver | !lart enouf |
| 09:50.24 | dpkg | burns enouf to a crisp with a laser |
| 09:50.35 | enouf | JJOliver: alright with the bot already |
| 09:50.44 | enouf | and the banter .. for that matter |
| 09:51.07 | JJOliver | throws his head back, giving an evil cackle |
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| 09:51.30 | JJOliver | 0_o |
| 09:51.49 | enouf | JJOliver: wait, you launched gnome from screen? |
| 09:51.58 | JJOliver | enouf: nope. |
| 09:52.31 | JJOliver | enouf: I launced screen from ctrl+alt+f5 and don't know how to close the screen in ctrl+alt+f5 without shutting screen down. |
| 09:52.40 | enouf | JJOliver: detach from tty5 |
| 09:52.48 | enouf | switch to tty7 |
| 09:52.53 | JJOliver | yeah |
| 09:52.57 | enouf | open your xterm, and reattach |
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| 09:53.33 | JJOliver | (how to I detacht? |
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| 09:53.39 | JJOliver | ) |
| 09:53.49 | enouf | !screen tutorial |
| 09:53.49 | dpkg | somebody said screen tutorial was apt-get install screen, run 'screen', and: 'Ctrl-A c' creates a new window, 'Ctrl-A 0..9' switches between windows, 'Ctrl-A k' kills current window, 'Ctrl-A d' detaches screen and can be reattached later with 'screen -r' |
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| 09:54.22 | JJOliver | dude / dudesss thanks. |
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| 09:55.07 | enouf | dude |
| 09:55.24 | JJOliver | (-8P |
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| 09:56.37 | enouf | 'Ctrl-A 0..9' is loads of fun when your NumPad isn't working ... ugh |
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| 09:58.06 | w3lly | hi, everybody... does aptitude/apt-get/dpkg does have something like a blacklist? |
| 09:58.18 | enouf | wonders if i do as i always do and kill all 63 of these 'console-kit-daemon' entries (ps/pstree) will his printer still print |
| 09:58.37 | enouf | w3lly: maybe |
| 09:58.43 | enouf | !wayttd w3lly |
| 09:58.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, w3lly? |
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| 09:59.28 | w3lly | that own deb files created from upstream included some patches wont be upgraded |
| 09:59.36 | aNOOBisa | Hi everybody I am trying to setup a webdav against an ActiveDirectory using Lenny, what software do I need for this endeavor. I am using apache2 with a2enmod ldap and authnz_ldap enabled will this suffice to do the connection, or do I have to have ldap installed? |
| 10:00.15 | tarzeau | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 |
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| 10:00.33 | enouf | w3lly: it seems like your first half of your sentence was lost? |
| 10:00.36 | SLLLfe65 | hi guys |
| 10:01.18 | w3lly | i only wanna knew if there is a blacklist :) |
| 10:01.23 | enouf | w3lly: /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:01.36 | enouf | i guess |
| 10:01.42 | negge | Guys I need some help. I accidentally deleted /etc/modules. How is it supposed to look? Just a list of module names? Can I add the names of the modules 'lsmod' gives me and be on the safe side? |
| 10:02.02 | enouf | negge: it's usually empty or near empty |
| 10:02.12 | enouf | negge: no, not needed |
| 10:02.14 | SLLLfe65 | i have new motherboard with LAN on board connected to internet perfect, but i start another PC od laptop in my home and connecting via wireless to internet i have no more connection on this computer?!! |
| 10:02.19 | SLLLfe65 | what is wrong?! |
| 10:02.33 | negge | enouf: okay. I was messing with a borked script for me EEEPc that's why I deleted it |
| 10:02.50 | negge | I'll try rebooting to see if everything still works |
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| 10:03.12 | enouf | negge: well .. your initrd should be loading modules needed to boot and mount your / FS |
| 10:04.01 | Odysseus | can figure out the usb boot... |
| 10:04.06 | Odysseus | cant* |
| 10:04.13 | enouf | negge: "grep -r '/etc/modules' /etc/init.d" |
| 10:04.13 | SLLLfe65 | any one see this problem before?? |
| 10:04.13 | The_faithful | negge, maybe recompiling your kernel can fix this problem and regenerate your lost modules ? |
| 10:04.26 | Odysseus | be back in a lil bit gonna go buy some blank cds i guess |
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| 10:14.28 | exn | hi. can I create 24/7 from two severs by using dns ? |
| 10:15.02 | exn | for example server1 ns1 sever2 ns2 ? |
| 10:15.09 | exn | or it's will not work ? |
| 10:15.57 | exn | I mean if server1 is down, all will work on ns2 (server2) |
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| 10:20.19 | henry-nicolas | Hi, I would like to know when MySQL 5.1 is going to reach debian sid, any idea ? |
| 10:21.38 | sylarr | what is SysRq? |
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| 10:22.27 | redtime | sylarr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_request |
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| 10:23.55 | sylarr | k |
| 10:24.01 | sylarr | i have it |
| 10:25.48 | sylarr | does netconsole allows opening a bash terminal? |
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| 10:29.20 | nkuttler | henry-nicolas: it's in experimental, so it's either buggy or not stable enough |
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| 10:35.51 | sdc | anyone know of an extension that can save the currently open tabs in firefox? |
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| 10:39.57 | Imran-UK | hi all, has anyone seen runlevel report "unknown" before |
| 10:40.02 | Imran-UK | whats it mean? |
| 10:40.06 | Imran-UK | debian lenny |
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| 10:40.30 | guyzmo | re |
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| 10:48.45 | GuySoft | hi all, does anyone know how i can enable ssl in php5, in debian? |
| 10:49.04 | JPT | err... |
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| 10:49.43 | fireba11 | GuySoft: does not compute |
| 10:50.51 | negge | I just successfully compiled and loaded the eee.ko module for my EEEPc. I can load it with 'insmod eee.ko', but where should I put it in order to be able to load it from /etc/modules? |
| 10:51.27 | GuySoft | fireba11, maybe its a little confusing. but i want to open an ssl connection to an smtp server, it seems the module needs to be enabled manually. and i am not sure its there by default. and i carnt find a package |
| 10:51.30 | karihre | GuySoft, if you mean "access your php site via httpS://example.com" you would configure you webserver (Apache) |
| 10:51.41 | karihre | to handle the ssl (sorry for the line break) |
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| 10:52.32 | fireba11 | GuySoft: hm .. okay put like this it's a valid question. never tried to use that though. |
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| 10:52.38 | jamesmcm13 | hey |
| 10:52.44 | jamesmcm13 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:52.48 | jamesmcm13 | what is the difference between the CDs? |
| 10:52.52 | GuySoft | karihre, stream_socket_enable_crypto i think is the function |
| 10:52.57 | jamesmcm13 | like CD-34 and CD-35? |
| 10:53.33 | JJOliver | jamesmcm13: the cd's are compiled in order based on most used. |
| 10:53.36 | JJOliver | !preference |
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| 10:53.47 | GuySoft | hell, i gtg i am afraid |
| 10:53.48 | JJOliver | hrm that didn't work. |
| 10:53.55 | JJOliver | waves to GuySoft. |
| 10:53.56 | jamesmcm13 | JJOliver: thanks - so generally I would want CD-1? |
| 10:54.09 | craigevil | negge: why? eeepc-laptop.ko is in the kernel |
| 10:54.11 | negge | no worries guys I think I figured it out... |
| 10:54.15 | JJOliver | jamesmcm13: depends what packages you want, the most used are on the higher cds |
| 10:54.26 | negge | craigevil: I want the overclocking functionality |
| 10:54.32 | negge | does eeepc-laptop give that? |
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| 10:54.43 | JJOliver | jamesmcm13: if you want a specific package you could download the later CD's or just get them indiviudally with apt-get |
| 10:55.03 | karihre | : ) |
| 10:55.04 | jamesmcm13 | JJOliver: yeah so which one is the base package? |
| 10:55.19 | JJOliver | jamesmcm13: start with disk 1, that has the kernel and enough stuff to get you going. |
| 10:55.28 | nick_fn | if I have a .deb file, how I can install the dependencies via apt automatically? |
| 10:55.34 | jamesmcm13 | JJOliver: thanks very much |
| 10:55.38 | JJOliver | jamesmcm13: np. |
| 10:55.47 | JJOliver | jamesmcm13: enjoy the install and new OS. |
| 10:55.58 | JJOliver | (-8P |
| 10:56.01 | craigevil | negge: The eeepc-laptop module is responsible for forwarding ACPI events from the keyboard (i.e., hotkeys) to user-space programs for processing |
| 10:56.29 | GuySoft | JJOliver, have we met?\ |
| 10:56.41 | craigevil | nick_fn: you can if you use gdebi or dpkg-i then apt-get -f install when dpkg fails |
| 10:56.41 | JJOliver | GuySoft: nope. |
| 10:56.48 | GuySoft | JJOliver, oh, nevermind.. |
| 10:56.53 | GuySoft | waves back to JJOliver |
| 10:56.56 | GuySoft | i might be back later |
| 10:56.57 | JJOliver | cya! |
| 10:57.20 | JJOliver | (we may have met but I have the memory of a fish, golden in color. |
| 10:57.21 | JJOliver | ) |
| 10:57.45 | negge | craigevil: guess I still need eee.ko then. I tried putting it in /lib/modules/<kernel>/kernel but I still can't load it. Says module not found. What would be the correct location? |
| 10:58.29 | craigevil | negge: no clue, i just used cpufreq |
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| 11:00.11 | negge | craigevil: I tried that back in the days but it never seemed to work for me |
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| 11:01.11 | craigevil | negge: http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html works just fine, but i have never messed with overclocking i would rather it run slower so the battery lasts longer |
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| 11:05.08 | wald0 | is there a specific channel for debconf questions ? |
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| 11:05.36 | cantoma | hey guys i am trying to connect to a network printer using cups but the printer is requesting for ID and Password. How can I tell cups to send that to the printer?? |
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| 11:12.57 | enouf | cantoma: you sure the printer is asking? |
| 11:13.25 | The_faithful | #maroc re |
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| 11:14.20 | enouf | cantoma: dpkg-reconfigure cups ; say Yes to raw mode?, and ensure the protocol you're using is ticked on (use spacebar and tab keys) - or .. is kerberos being employed? go to http/localhost:631/admin |
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| 11:15.10 | enouf | cantoma: oh, you mean it works, but you want to be authenticated automatically? |
| 11:15.58 | enouf | negge: run depmod -a |
| 11:16.04 | cantoma | enouf, this is what is says: The printer's state message is: 'fatal: Incorrect ID or Password. Specify the correct ID and Password.: 15513' |
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| 11:16.37 | cantoma | enouf, if i login in a windows pc here and i type my id and password then its fine |
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| 11:17.09 | cantoma | enouf, in windows i created a normal user account so it doesn't recognizes me |
| 11:17.17 | enouf | cantoma: sorry, no idea - i just got my inkjet/printer/CUPS 'feet wet' very recently, and on a locally connected, USB printer - had a heck of a time, but got it done |
| 11:17.30 | enouf | cantoma: all i can say is perhaps see openprinting.org as well |
| 11:17.50 | enouf | cantoma: is Samba being used? |
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| 11:18.26 | enouf | cantoma: i know nothing about windows with linux, i know much about win98 and even some XP, but you don't mention which |
| 11:18.49 | mrtn1231 | how to start multiple processes from CLI? I would like to start two cpuburn processes. I know that i can open up two terminals, but is there something like "cpuburn,cpuburn" option or something like that? |
| 11:19.01 | enouf | cantoma: i know vista has something called UAC (user access control) in the control panel |
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| 11:19.09 | enouf | cantoma: but see ##windows |
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| 11:19.23 | cantoma | enouf, you are going around the problem |
| 11:19.42 | enouf | mrtn1231: cpuburn & ; cpuburn & ? |
| 11:19.56 | enouf | cantoma: ok, i'll just ignore you then |
| 11:20.21 | abrotman | would probably want to set the affinity, just in case |
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| 11:20.38 | enouf | cpuburn & ; sleep 2 ; cpuburn & mayb |
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| 11:21.05 | enouf | !listvals set-affinity |
| 11:21.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'set-affinity' by value returned no results. |
| 11:21.12 | cantoma | enouf, did you know where i can setup a connection smb://IP . I tryied in system-config-printer. but it gives httpEncriptfailed. Did you have any idea about it? |
| 11:21.13 | enouf | bah |
| 11:21.25 | enouf | cantoma: no |
| 11:21.44 | enouf | sounds like kde kioslaves and such |
| 11:22.10 | dokma | hey guys. my smart card driver requires me to build pcscd with libusb instead of libhal so I did a : ./configure --disable-libhal --enable-libusb and it worked ok. Can I now somehow make a debian package out of this source tree? |
| 11:22.14 | abrotman | judd: info schedtool --release lenny |
| 11:22.16 | judd | abrotman: schedtool (utils): is extra; Version: 1.2.10-1; Size: 23.4k; Installed: 44k -- Queries/alters process' scheduling policy and CPU affinity |
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| 11:22.31 | dokma | instead of just plain make install which I cannot uninstall |
| 11:22.32 | enouf | dokma: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 11:22.44 | dokma | enouf: tx! |
| 11:22.51 | enouf | abrotman: right .. schedtool |
| 11:22.59 | enouf | ...er shed :-P |
| 11:23.41 | mrtn1231 | enouf: it says "bash: syntax error near unexpected token ';'" when I type in the "cpuburn & ; cpuburn & " command. |
| 11:23.55 | enouf | mrtn1231: ahh .. my bad |
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| 11:24.12 | enouf | mrtn1231: hrm .. ask #bash, if nobody chimes in here |
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| 11:24.57 | enouf | mrtn1231: with schedtool pkg you can assign any/all processes to any CPU or Core |
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| 11:25.30 | enouf | mrtn1231: so, even if multiple PPIDs are issued, they can all be set to run on same cpu/core |
| 11:25.51 | enouf | erm .. forget i said PPID .. |
| 11:27.02 | mrtn1231 | enouf: it's "cmd& cmd2&" :) However, I'll research taskset as well. Thanks! |
| 11:27.19 | dokma | enouf: I got to the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us |
| 11:27.21 | dokma | where do I put the ./configure --disable-libhal --enable-libusb part ? |
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| 11:27.37 | abrotman | mrtn1231: fair warning about cpuburn, i've killed hardware with it (i think the man page warns you also) |
| 11:27.43 | wald0 | is there a specific channel for debconf questions ? |
| 11:28.55 | abrotman | wald0: you can try here |
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| 11:29.16 | enouf | mrtn1231: yes, i was going to say remove the ';' but .. ok, yeah, taskset is the older version? |
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| 11:30.02 | enouf | dokma: dpkg noted <debian/rules> in the message output from <package recompile> |
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| 11:31.03 | dokma | enouf: just reading that |
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| 11:31.09 | dokma | think I'll manage irt |
| 11:31.42 | mrtn1231 | enouf: taskset (util-linux-ng 2.14.2) |
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| 11:33.09 | enouf | judd: versions taskset |
| 11:33.10 | judd | enouf: taskset -- |
| 11:33.42 | mrtn1231 | shouldn't "taskset 0x00000003 cpuburn" start cpuburn on both processors of my dual-core machine? |
| 11:34.27 | enouf | mrtn1231: it's no longer called that as far as debian goes, AFAIR |
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| 11:35.08 | enouf | er, the pkg name, i meant |
| 11:35.08 | dokma | enouf: it worked, my smart card reader changed the lite from green to red meaning it is working now |
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| 11:35.27 | dokma | enouf: thank you, I appreciate the lesson on how to do it the proper debian way |
| 11:35.40 | enouf | dokma: \o/ |
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| 11:37.29 | dokma | ;) |
| 11:37.32 | dokma | gotta reboot |
| 11:37.33 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/cgroups/cpusets.txt ? |
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| 11:51.09 | edoreld | After a new installation from Gnome, I had a German keymap for command line (No graphical interface), and a USA keyboard for my graphical interface. I ran "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and changed "us" to "de", but after it was finished, I still had the USA layout. |
| 11:51.29 | edoreld | Only adding a German layout on the preferences allowed me to use the german keyboard |
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| 11:51.40 | edoreld | my question is, how do i do it from command line |
| 11:53.55 | JyZyXEL | !alsa |
| 11:53.55 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:54.10 | enouf | edoreld: maybe setxkbmap de |
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| 11:55.13 | JyZyXEL | i think the factoid for alsa should contain the word "crap" |
| 11:55.23 | edoreld | enouf: it says the package is referred by another package, which I already got installed |
| 11:55.48 | edoreld | package: x11-xkb-utils |
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| 11:56.02 | edoreld | oh wait, syntax error -.- |
| 11:56.10 | edoreld | works like a charm ^_^ |
| 11:56.12 | edoreld | thx |
| 11:56.38 | mrtn1231 | I have a dual-core Celeron. Is it possible to use schedtools to put one cpuburn process to work on Core0 and other cpuburn process to work on Core1? |
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| 12:00.43 | ranix | mrtn1231: cpuburn was written specifically for the x86 architecture, more specifically the models listed in the man page |
| 12:00.54 | ranix | mrtn1231: the dual core Celeron is x86-64 |
| 12:01.04 | ranix | might want to use a different burn-in on that one |
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| 12:01.52 | mrtn1231 | ranix: ok, but basically how is it possible to put one cpuburn process to work on one core and another cpuburn process to work on another core? |
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| 12:02.17 | mrtn1231 | ranix: and as much as I know, there is no special cpuburn build for new CPU's |
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| 12:03.06 | sadd | hi dear |
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| 12:05.53 | ranix | mrtn1231: you can use schedutils to set core affinity |
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| 12:06.19 | ranix | mrtn1231: I believe taskset is the specific command |
| 12:06.34 | wald0 | the thing is that i want to go to the debconf this year, but i haven't suscribed to the 'accomodation', so is needed to pay 300 ⬠now, i want to know if there's alternatives for the accomodation, abrotman |
| 12:06.57 | abrotman | wald0: i'm sorry .. i thouhgt you meant the application "DebConf" is what you meant |
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| 12:07.27 | abrotman | wald0: try #debconf on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:07.52 | edoreld | if I'm installing the GNOME environment through the gnome package,how can I make the final system's language to be, for example, german? |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:08.03 | wald0 | thx |
| 12:08.49 | edoreld | thanks! :) |
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| 12:26.31 | ShredZ | Is there any terminal emulator for linux that will act like the terminal on OS X ? (i.e. when making the window larger it will re-order the displayed text) |
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| 12:27.06 | edoreld | enouf: setxkbmap resets settings on logout T_T |
| 12:27.21 | edoreld | which means everytime I logout the de keymap is lost and the USA one is loaded |
| 12:28.12 | rswarbrick | edoreld: You can use something like gnome-session or ~/.xinitrc to redo it each time. What desktop environment are you using? |
| 12:28.31 | edoreld | gnome |
| 12:29.16 | rswarbrick | In which case, open up gnome-session-properties (probably "Start-Up Applications" in your preferences menu) |
| 12:30.09 | edoreld | erhmm by what name it goes under Start up -> Applications? |
| 12:30.28 | edoreld | forget that |
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| 12:30.31 | rswarbrick | Probably it's under the "System -> Prefer... ok |
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| 12:31.10 | edoreld | no such thing exists |
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| 12:32.20 | rswarbrick | Ok, can you run the program "gnome-session-properties" from a terminal or something (not sure where it'll be in your menus) |
| 12:32.32 | abrotman | ShredZ: it's pretty easy in the terminals to resize the text |
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| 12:32.46 | edoreld | authentication rejected it says |
| 12:33.06 | ShredZ | abrotman, I mean text wrapping changes as I resize the window (e.g. to straighten out mysql results etc) |
| 12:33.20 | edoreld | altough if i run the program called "Sessions", I can see under "Current session" -> Currently running programs: gnome-session-properties |
| 12:33.30 | abrotman | ShredZ: in xterm and gnome-terminal you can easily resize the text |
| 12:33.39 | rswarbrick | edoreld: That's very odd... |
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| 12:33.45 | fallenwrk | hello, my hoster gave me an extra ip-adresses for my dedicated server(debian 5). Link me please to a good manual, so i could configure my server with new IPs. |
| 12:33.49 | rgr | I suddenly keep getting out of disk problems on my laptop. HOME is ok. It must be the root which is mapped to an encrypted volume. Can someone advise me on how to process to see what the culprit is? |
| 12:33.51 | abrotman | ShredZ: oh .. nevermind .. i see what you mean .. you want it to unwrap lines that it's already printed, not just resize the text |
| 12:34.00 | edoreld | rswarbrick: and there's a trash icon next to it as well (under Style) |
| 12:34.02 | ShredZ | abrotman, indeed |
| 12:34.13 | rswarbrick | edoreld: Does anything appear or is the error to the console? |
| 12:34.20 | rswarbrick | As in a window or something |
| 12:34.23 | edoreld | error to the console only |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | ShredZ: tried hitting ctrl-l ? |
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| 12:34.45 | edoreld | Authentication rejected, reason: None of the authentication procols specified are supported and host-based-authentication failed |
| 12:35.06 | ShredZ | abrotman, doesn't seem to do much on gnome terminal or xfce terminal |
| 12:35.10 | edoreld | And in German, what I guess it means "Site manager can't be contacted" |
| 12:35.17 | rgr | or what tool to show / disk usage? |
| 12:35.24 | rgr | (graphical breakdown) |
| 12:35.25 | abrotman | ShredZ: i wasn't sure if it would or not .. lots of people like rxvt .. maybe that one does ? |
| 12:35.32 | abrotman | rgr: gnome or kde ? |
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| 12:35.47 | abrotman | guesses 'df -h' isn't going to be enough |
| 12:35.49 | rswarbrick | edoreld: Ok, that's really bizarre. Oh - the console is your user, right? Rather than running as root? |
| 12:35.49 | rgr | what tool though? |
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| 12:35.58 | rgr | something like a pie chart? |
| 12:36.11 | ranix | how about du -h |
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| 12:36.22 | edoreld | rswarbrick: just exited root, and ran it successfully |
| 12:36.25 | fallenwrk | hello, my hoster gave me an extra ip-adresses for my dedicated server(debian 5). Link me please to a good manual, so i could configure my server with new IPs. |
| 12:36.29 | ranix | rgr: what would your pie chart represent |
| 12:36.30 | abrotman | ranix: does that make a pie chart? |
| 12:36.31 | rswarbrick | edoreld: Ahah :) |
| 12:36.32 | edoreld | what appears is now the Sessions program from before |
| 12:36.36 | rswarbrick | Oh :( |
| 12:36.39 | rgr | ranix: disk usage ... |
| 12:36.40 | abrotman | rgr: xdiskusage |
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| 12:36.44 | rgr | thanks! |
| 12:36.44 | abrotman | fallenwrk: don't do that again |
| 12:36.47 | rswarbrick | Well, is there a place to specify start-up applications? |
| 12:36.53 | ranix | what would your pie chart even represent |
| 12:36.58 | abrotman | rgr: was `apt-cache search disk graph` so hard ? |
| 12:37.00 | rgr | ranix: disk usage ... |
| 12:37.01 | edoreld | yes, but I'd need to do the same thing on command line |
| 12:37.02 | fallenwrk | abrotman why? |
| 12:37.03 | edoreld | :) |
| 12:37.07 | abrotman | fallenwrk: just ask me |
| 12:37.10 | ShredZ | abrotman, superb, rxvt does indeed have this functionality, thanks a lot! |
| 12:37.18 | rswarbrick | edoreld: Oh, as in the console before X starts? |
| 12:37.19 | rgr | abrotman: I dont know. I didnt do it. |
| 12:37.36 | ranix | rgr: a pie chart that represents one thing isn't much of a pie chart |
| 12:37.39 | fallenwrk | abrotman no, i wanted to see what time is it in your country |
| 12:37.39 | ranix | I call that a circle |
| 12:37.39 | fallenwrk | =) |
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| 12:37.43 | abrotman | fallenwrk: JUST ASK |
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| 12:37.57 | edoreld | rswarbrick: as in the computer install itself and it must be ready for the usage of a German being |
| 12:38.08 | rgr | ranix: huh? What would you think a pie chart could show in terms of disk usage? it would show which directories use most space. |
| 12:38.15 | rswarbrick | edoreld: Ah, sorry I didn't understand. |
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| 12:38.29 | ranix | rgr: that's more descriptive than "disk usage" |
| 12:38.31 | fallenwrk | abrotman i`ve asked already, but nobody talks to me =\ |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | rgr: there are a couple of tools for that ... |
| 12:38.37 | rgr | ranix: ok ... |
| 12:38.39 | abrotman | fallenwrk: you didn't ask me what time it was |
| 12:38.43 | rgr | thanks. |
| 12:38.45 | ranix | i.e., Windows shows a pie chart that only shows disk freespace vs disk used space |
| 12:38.46 | edoreld | rswarbrick: the computer installs itself through a program called FAI, then after first boot it would defeat the purpose if I had to touch anything (Like setting up the language, etc) |
| 12:38.46 | fallenwrk | oh |
| 12:38.47 | fallenwrk | =) |
| 12:38.49 | abrotman | fallenwrk: man interfaces |
| 12:39.03 | edoreld | rswarbrick: it should all be setup through command line commands during installation |
| 12:39.19 | rgr | ranix: look, please stop trying to be super clever and confuse the situation. It was relatively obvious. Abrotman : thanks. I'll try the apt-cache search thing in future too. |
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| 12:39.28 | tdn | I have just installed Debian Lenny on a fit-PC. Now the sound does not work correctly. Sound is only coming from one speaker. I had Ubuntu installed before, and the sound worked fine. Stereo through both speakers. I have checked cables and speakers. How do I make the sound work? |
| 12:39.35 | abrotman | ranix: he's an angry bugger :) |
| 12:39.39 | ranix | what a douche |
| 12:39.40 | rswarbrick | edoreld: Ok, I understand now. I take it that setting the locale correctly doesn't do what you need? |
| 12:40.01 | rswarbrick | Otherwise you might be able to do something crazy with HAL and fdi files, but I'm afraid I won't be much help there. |
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| 12:41.04 | edoreld | rswarbrick: chaing the locale to de_DE@euro (with dpkg-reconfigure locales) does not change the language |
| 12:41.10 | edoreld | do I have to reboot perhaps? |
| 12:41.16 | rswarbrick | Sorry, I don't know |
| 12:41.20 | g00se | tdn: try to repro what *does* work |
| 12:42.00 | tdn | g00se, repro? |
| 12:42.01 | edoreld | rswarbrick: no worries ^_^ |
| 12:42.20 | g00se | tdn: reproduce |
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| 12:43.02 | tdn | g00se, what do you mean? Should I reinstall Ubuntu to reproduce the sound working in there? I'm sorry if I misunderstand you. |
| 12:43.03 | g00se | tdn: i.e. use the same drivers as Ubuntu if poss |
| 12:43.18 | scream_ | is there iceweasel 3.5? :) |
| 12:43.31 | tdn | g00se, I do not know which drivers Ubuntu used. It was an old Ubuntu (7.10). So this is a much newer kernel in Lenny. |
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| 12:43.49 | Rockj | Hey, is it any reason for why grub requires you to use an initrd if you want to boot by UUID? I find that silly |
| 12:44.01 | g00se | tdn: Put it back on and make a note of them |
| 12:44.06 | Rockj | and how could I make update-grub to not use UUID's in Debian Squeeze? |
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| 12:44.25 | xshadowfire | so how about that ssh exploit |
| 12:44.27 | xshadowfire | ( ´_ã`) |
| 12:44.29 | rswarbrick | scream_: Yes, it's currently in experimental, but the required xulrunner package is still in the new queue. |
| 12:44.45 | g00se | tdn: Can you boot from USB key? |
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| 12:45.15 | xshadowfire | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 |
| 12:45.24 | scream_ | rswarbrick, thanks for the info |
| 12:45.26 | tdn | g00se, unfortuneately that is not possible. I do not have a CDROM-drive and I cannot boot from USB easily. However, I do have ssh access to an identical box with Ubuntu 7.10 still installed. |
| 12:45.34 | xshadowfire | for anyone that hasn't read about it yet |
| 12:45.46 | tdn | g00se, so I can log in to that one. However, I do not have sudo on it, nor am I member of the audio group... |
| 12:45.47 | scream_ | tdn, set up a PXE boot :) |
| 12:45.48 | xshadowfire | hopefully it's only for 4.3 |
| 12:45.49 | xshadowfire | â(-｡ｰ;)â |
| 12:45.55 | abrotman | xshadowfire: please keep it ontopic |
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| 12:46.14 | xshadowfire | security isn't on topic? D: |
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| 12:46.24 | tdn | scream_, I could maybe try to do that. However, I thought that it would not be that difficult to get sound working properly? |
| 12:47.03 | Rockj | xshadowfire: have you tested it towards stable ? |
| 12:47.12 | g00se | tdn: You don't need sudo if you have root password |
| 12:47.19 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out the time a user logged out when the login was recorded in what is now /var/local/wtmp.1? |
| 12:47.23 | abrotman | xshadowfire: it would be better discussed on the debian-security mailing list |
| 12:47.28 | tdn | g00se, I don't. I have a regular user acct. |
| 12:47.38 | tdn | g00se, I have root on the local one with Lenny on. |
| 12:47.42 | xshadowfire | I guess |
| 12:48.14 | g00se | tdn: You might not need root to investigate what drivers are being used |
| 12:48.27 | tdn | g00se, probably not. What do I look for? |
| 12:48.35 | abrotman | xshadowfire: also see the part of that where it says it doesn't work against current ssh versions |
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| 12:48.41 | tdn | I am on ssh on it now. |
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| 12:50.08 | g00se | tdn: Not too good on Ubuntu, but ls -l /etc/modprobe.d could tell you something |
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| 12:50.15 | jelly | !rube goldberg install |
| 12:50.15 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 12:51.41 | tdn | g00se, ok. That gives me: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1371.html |
| 12:52.18 | g00se | tdn: And uname -r |
| 12:52.56 | tdn | 2.6.22-16-generic |
| 12:53.10 | tdn | 2.6.26-2-486 on this one |
| 12:53.15 | tdn | (the last one is lenny) |
| 12:53.58 | g00se | tdn: Did you install alsa on Lenny? |
| 12:53.59 | abrotman | tdn: that might be an alsa issue isntead of a kernel issue |
| 12:54.11 | abrotman | tdn: you can also install the .29 from backports.org if you really think it's a kernel issue |
| 12:54.19 | tdn | Hmm.. apt-get install alsa? |
| 12:54.33 | g00se | aptitude install alsa |
| 12:54.40 | tdn | Ok. |
| 12:54.50 | Rockj | how to tell update-grub not to use UUID's? |
| 12:55.28 | tdn | alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 12:55.30 | jelly | Rockj: grub2? |
| 12:55.44 | g00se | I'm off - battery's about to fail... |
| 12:55.51 | Rockj | hum, I belive? whatever is included in Debian Squeeze, let me check. |
| 12:55.55 | jelly | Rockj: if it's grub legacy, you can just edit menu.lst |
| 12:56.27 | Rockj | grub-legacy I assume (it's version 0.97) |
| 12:56.35 | Rockj | I could just aptitude grub2 tho |
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| 12:57.17 | jelly | Rockj: yeah, that's grub legacy (though 0.97 sounds a bit weird, I thought it was forver stuck at 0.96) |
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| 12:57.41 | jelly | Rockj: so just replace all the UUID=... with whatever the device in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:58.10 | jelly | uses root=LABEL=root or root=LABEL=/ |
| 12:58.15 | Rockj | I know that, it's just annoying to have to manually do it all the time :p |
| 12:58.27 | Rockj | hence I want update-grub to do it for me :) |
| 12:58.51 | Rockj | aye aye, grub2 works with uuid |
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| 12:58.56 | Rockj | spent 4-5 secs tho before going on |
| 12:59.20 | jelly | Rockj: it uses uuid by default, that's why I thought you had it |
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| 13:00.02 | jelly | I only have no idea how to make grub2 work on both serial and console at the same time |
| 13:00.05 | Rockj | oh, I just did a new lenny install, wennt dist-upgrade to squeeze and that's when I got these uuid's I think |
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| 13:00.26 | tdn | abrotman, I don't think it is a kernel issue. |
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| 13:00.44 | Rockj | hmf, but it stalls like a long time in the beginning of the booting. let me do another reboot and print the "error" |
| 13:00.49 | Rockj | before it starts init |
| 13:01.00 | tdn | abrotman, but I'm not so much in to how alsa works, so I don't know how to debug this. I have tried adjusting some things in alsamixer but without luck... |
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| 13:03.14 | Rockj | pc8736 some module not found or something. anyway, atleast it boots rather decent speedy and with uuids :) |
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| 13:09.26 | rgr | once has to love debian/linux at times. ssh into my laptop from an emacs shell to run aptitude. than use x forwarding to run xdiskusage. excellent. |
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| 13:18.33 | tdn | abrotman, how can I debug the sound problem? I think you are right that it is not a kernel problem. |
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| 13:19.25 | yangebul | Hi. |
| 13:20.05 | abrotman | tdn: did you look at driver options? |
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| 13:20.08 | ghaleb | hello, I'm looking for a monitoring tool that captures and analyze the traffic goes through iptables gateway .. anybody has an idea ? |
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| 13:20.36 | tdn | abrotman, sorry, I'm not so experienced with this. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by driver options. |
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| 13:21.12 | abrotman | tdn: modinfo <driver> |
| 13:21.29 | tdn | abrotman, ok. |
| 13:21.43 | yangebul | We have a webmail, squirellmail used on one of our servers. One of our users accidentaly removed a lot of mail from her's inbox. I'm trying to help her by looking the servers backup to restore it. |
| 13:22.32 | tdn | abrotman, modinfo snd_cs5535audio gives me: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1372.html |
| 13:22.44 | yangebul | Now I can't find it. Does anyone know where squirellmail keep mails ? |
| 13:23.13 | yangebul | I didn't find anything in /var/spool/squirellmail. |
| 13:23.23 | abrotman | tdn: so maybe yours is a quirk board ? |
| 13:23.23 | yangebul | Or anywhere else where I took a look. |
| 13:23.30 | bizhan | hi all, on a muli-core cpu, is there anyway I can have only one core active?? |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | yangebul: squirrelmail doesn't |
| 13:23.43 | tdn | abrotman, quirk board? |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | read what you just pasted |
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| 13:24.41 | yangebul | abrotman: So how come she can read her mail on the webmail and on her client ? |
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| 13:27.22 | Sevet | yangebul: squirrelmail is a web-based email client, it'll connect to the server where her email is stored |
| 13:28.02 | Sevet | so you need to look at the where smtp/pop3/imap server stores it, not squirrelmail |
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| 13:29.20 | jamesmcm13 | ninja-77: ? |
| 13:29.28 | yangebul | ok thanks Sevet i'm looking for it. |
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| 13:29.55 | liable | !ops ninja-77 |
| 13:29.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: ninja-77 |
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| 13:30.23 | Phasy13 | ops are pretty fast here |
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| 13:30.34 | liable | not really |
| 13:30.49 | liable | in some timezones maybe |
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| 13:33.27 | booiiing | anybody here willing to help me a bit with the new ia32-apt-get stuff? i tried the "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade", but after that didn't do much at all, i threw some things at google, searched the wiki, howto and mailing-list but couldn't come up with something usefull |
| 13:33.44 | booiiing | or should that still be regarded as work-in-progress? |
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| 13:34.23 | jpinx | How do I find my NAT IP rather than my public IP without touching the router? |
| 13:34.43 | booiiing | you mean the internal ip of your computer jpinx? |
| 13:34.50 | liable | jesus christ, will video *ever* be reliable in debian? it is almost *always* broken. ffs. such a popular thing thats always shit.. |
| 13:35.00 | booiiing | just type "ip list all" in a terminal |
| 13:35.08 | abrotman | yangebul: squirrrelmail gets it over imap perhaps ? |
| 13:35.15 | booiiing | liable, what do you mean exactly? |
| 13:35.28 | abrotman | liable: sorry .. i was actually doing work for a change! |
| 13:35.30 | Sevet | jpinx: run /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:35.41 | jpinx | Sevet: ok tks |
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| 13:36.20 | liable | booiiing: meaning that i have to have at least three players installed at all times to have a chance of viewing media files, and even then it seems to be broken 50% of the time |
| 13:36.24 | booiiing | Sevet, you should update your auto-answer to iproute ;) (ip list all) |
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| 13:37.04 | RobertMLaptop | Does anyone know anything about this? |
| 13:37.04 | booiiing | liable, ever tried mplayer? |
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| 13:37.18 | booiiing | i have yet to find something it doesn't play |
| 13:37.20 | Sevet | booiing: iproute might not be installed (i don't have it on my machine), ifconfig always is... ;) |
| 13:37.31 | liable | booiiing: huh? did you even read what i said? |
| 13:37.35 | RobertMLaptop | Does anyone know anything about this? http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 |
| 13:37.41 | booiiing | isn't iproute essential by now? |
| 13:37.44 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: ask the ssh channel |
| 13:37.50 | jpinx | booiiing: that's if you know all the options for mpalyer - which are a pita imho |
| 13:38.04 | yangebul | Ok dovecot, I think I have it now. |
| 13:38.32 | RobertMLaptop | abrotman well says the latest openssh release is fine but I am using debian stable so is debian stable likely secure? |
| 13:38.33 | booiiing | jpinx, gmplayer puts them all in a nice gui |
| 13:38.52 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: if you know what the actual exploit and fix is, we might be able to tell you |
| 13:38.53 | Sevet | booiiing: i haven't needed it on most of my machines yet, so no |
| 13:39.00 | jpinx | booiiing: liable is right - it doesn't work a lot of the time for me either |
| 13:39.07 | booiiing | liable, yes, i did. you complained about needing a lot of players to be able to play stuff. i answered that one (mplayer) should be enough |
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| 13:39.43 | RobertMLaptop | abrotman yea that is my problem. That is why the ask the generic is anyone following that? |
| 13:39.51 | jpinx | booiiing: gmplayer is what comes up anyway if you're running X |
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| 13:39.57 | booiiing | jpinx, liable, have you made sure that you installed all codecs you need? |
| 13:40.13 | booiiing | especially libdvdcss for playing dvds |
| 13:40.39 | jpinx | booiiing: define "need" - there seems to be another one every day |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: i'm sure the debian-security team is already aware |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: you're running lenny on your server? |
| 13:41.19 | booiiing | well, i am quite fine with the codec-package from the mplayerhq-website for years now |
| 13:41.19 | RobertMLaptop | Yea several of them. |
| 13:41.27 | liable | booiiing: if i had mentioned that i have three players, they are almost constantly broken, and that they suck, do you not think that maybe I have all the needed codecs and also mplayer is one of them? how many major video players in lnux do you use? |
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| 13:41.35 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: but no etch ? |
| 13:41.38 | tdn | abrotman, what do you mean by quirk board? You mean it is defective? |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | tdn: did you read what you pasted? there was an option for the ac97quirk |
| 13:42.11 | booiiing | liable, i only use mplayer, but xine seems very popular to me, too. |
| 13:42.11 | abrotman | tdn: you could also ask #alsa |
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| 13:42.23 | RobertMLaptop | abrotman no etch. The last etch boxes about a month ago. It was on it last legs so I migrated off instead of upgrading to lenny. |
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| 13:42.47 | booiiing | but i don't think that debian can do anything about the quality/usability of the included video-players |
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| 13:43.08 | JIHAD | _!__ |
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| 13:43.29 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: i guess you'll have to wait for a more official announcement .. that rumor has basically zero details |
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| 13:44.15 | RobertMLaptop | abrotman yea. My boss is freaking out right now but I will wait for more info. |
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| 13:44.42 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: did he run all the IE fixes for that exploit from yesterday? |
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| 13:45.18 | remur_030 | aloha, where does my system mail gets dumped with standard exim4-light installation? |
| 13:45.58 | yangebul | Now I have to find dovecot repository. It's not in our database or in /var/spool. |
| 13:45.59 | abrotman | /var/mail/ ? |
| 13:46.02 | yangebul | keeps looking |
| 13:46.12 | ness | hi, where can I find a netinst image for the testing branch of debian? |
| 13:46.17 | remur_030 | abrotman: ah well that one is empty, sorry for not mentioning |
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| 13:46.30 | Night_Elf | remur_030: normally, you check what you have at /etc/aliases |
| 13:46.32 | abrotman | remur_030: /var/spool/mail/ ? |
| 13:46.35 | yangebul | abrotman: thank you ! |
| 13:46.45 | abrotman | well .. right answer, wrong person! |
| 13:46.49 | abrotman | abrotman++ |
| 13:47.03 | ness | nevermind |
| 13:47.05 | abrotman | ness: use the lenny netinst and dist-upgrade from there |
| 13:47.05 | Night_Elf | remur_030: you;ll see there's this "postmaster" aliased to "root" and this is aliased to that first user you created during installation |
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| 13:47.36 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: i'm not triyng to shrug it off .. but there are so few details .. |
| 13:48.06 | remur_030 | Night_Elf: yes, that's currently a loop from mailer-daemon to postmaster to root to test (deleted user), so it ends up in /dev/null? |
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| 13:48.33 | abrotman | RobertMLaptop: xshadowfire http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2009/07/msg00023.html |
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| 13:48.48 | Night_Elf | remur_030: I'd expect the mail to be just dropped, yea |
| 13:48.51 | xshadowfire | eh |
| 13:49.14 | xshadowfire | I don't really care about it |
| 13:49.19 | xshadowfire | not like I'm running openssh 4.3 |
| 13:49.21 | xshadowfire | â(-｡ｰ;)â |
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| 13:49.45 | abrotman | xshadowfire: whatever that stupid thing is that generates useless characters, please turn it off |
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| 13:50.18 | xshadowfire | right |
| 13:50.40 | abrotman | if it only affects 4.3, that only affects etch |
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| 13:50.50 | xshadowfire | there's also the option of enabling utf-8 on your side |
| 13:50.59 | RobertMLaptop | Thanks abrotman |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | xshadowfire: i didn't say i couldn't see your stupid characters, i'm askign you to turn it off |
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| 13:52.03 | xshadowfire | about freenode: sersious business |
| 13:52.09 | xshadowfire | ok whatever, I'll just go back to lurking |
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| 13:53.02 | lala9 | am I right in the assumption that a password from /etc/passwd cannot be cracked? |
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| 13:53.19 | lala9 | because of the hashing? |
| 13:53.20 | Rockj | no |
| 13:53.25 | lala9 | eh i mean of the salting |
| 13:53.51 | Rockj | normally it's default to enable shadow which keeps it hashed passwords in /etc/shadow , and you can still bruteforce those passwords |
| 13:53.57 | Rockj | takes some time, but not impossible, but not easy either |
| 13:53.59 | remur_030 | lala9: salting is stored there as well of course, with enough time on the hand and with a bad password that's done quickly |
| 13:54.10 | remur_030 | lala9: well one should use shadow anyways |
| 13:54.16 | Rockj | Y |
| 13:54.23 | emk | Hi all. I need help configuring apt-get to only use FTP (and to _never_ use HTTP) is this possible? |
| 13:54.26 | Night_Elf | lala9: check this. http://www.openwall.com/john/ |
| 13:54.35 | tdn | abrotman, ok. Thanks. |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | emk: yes, change your sources to ftp:// instead of http:// |
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| 13:54.51 | Rockj | emk: configure your mirrors to ftp ones? /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:55.17 | dog_pote | does anybody test this package for me? http://mandriva.c3sl.ufpr.br/devel/2009.1/i586/media/main/testing/x11-driver-video-sisimedia-0.9.1-1.20090622.1.1mdv2009.1.i586.rpm |
| 13:55.21 | Night_Elf | lala9: with that, I ran it against a passwd/shadow in a system with some 500 users, and it found some 20 passwords within the first 4s of running. |
| 13:55.25 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out the time a user logged out when the login was recorded in what is now /var/local/wtmp.1? |
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| 13:56.03 | lala9 | thanks Night_Elf |
| 13:56.26 | Rockj | vlt: last -f , in other words , last -f /var/local/wtmp.1 |
| 13:56.26 | remur_030 | lala9: don't do any funny stuff with it... |
| 13:56.31 | Rockj | vlt: guess that will do it |
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| 13:56.51 | abrotman | dog_pote: that's an RPM, for mandriva ... this is #debian |
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| 13:57.04 | vlt | Rockj: I need the logout time which is not in wtmp.1 |
| 13:57.04 | lala9 | Rockj: thats MD5 in /etc/shadow right? |
| 13:57.22 | dog_pote | abrotman, i would like convert it |
| 13:57.28 | Rockj | lala9: no, some sort of SHA with salt I imagine. not sure tho. others probably know that exactly |
| 13:57.29 | dog_pote | abrotman, i cannot do it |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | dog_pote: so use 'alien' |
| 13:57.38 | dog_pote | abrotman, an error shows here |
| 13:57.44 | emk | abrotman: Hmm.. this is working. Thanks a lot. |
| 13:57.46 | emk | Rockj: thanks also. |
| 13:57.49 | abrotman | dog_pote: which versoin fo debian ? |
| 13:57.51 | lala9 | Which way passwords in /etc/shadow are protected ? anybody knows? |
| 13:57.57 | dog_pote | abrotman, Unpacking of 'x11-driver-video-sisimedia-0.9.1-1.20090622.1.1mdv2009.1.i586.rpm' failed at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 155. |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | md5 probably |
| 13:58.35 | abrotman | dog_pote: so the RPM is broken |
| 13:58.42 | dog_pote | abrotman, alien version 8.73 |
| 13:58.49 | dog_pote | abrotman, oh |
| 13:58.54 | remur_030 | dog_pote: you don't want that package... |
| 13:59.20 | Night_Elf | lala9: from "man shadow" comes: if the encrypted password starts with "$1$" it means the MD5-based algorithm was used. |
| 13:59.34 | dog_pote | remur_030, why? |
| 13:59.57 | remur_030 | dog_pote: you'll ruin your XServer setup, don't touch stuff you don't really know something about |
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| 14:00.22 | Rockj | isn't SHA more secure then MD5 ? hum |
| 14:00.23 | remur_030 | make a poll if people think you really know what you are about to do |
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| 14:00.49 | remur_030 | Rockj: shadow is supposed to be root readonly anyways, so not much pressure here |
| 14:01.22 | lala9 | Night_Elf, thanks , but, isn't this quite bad? |
| 14:01.26 | longjefferson | hello Debian people.. |
| 14:01.34 | lala9 | MD5 is not really secure anymore now a days |
| 14:01.56 | lala9 | unless incredible hard password used |
| 14:01.59 | dog_pote | remur_030, i would like extract some files |
| 14:02.13 | Rockj | remur_030: true true, just that I would find it better if it was SHA I think , no expert here but afaik MD5 is already "broken". But I guess it uses a salt which at least make it a tad more difficult? |
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| 14:02.27 | booiiing | lala9, you can use sha, too |
| 14:02.48 | remur_030 | Rockj: the salt is only for stopping rainbow tables, no help making md5 more secure |
| 14:03.23 | remur_030 | and broken, well it's still easier to let john go over a big list of users, there is always somebody with a bloody cheap password |
| 14:03.43 | booiiing | regarding my ia32-apt-get-issue: nvm i just read the thread on debian-devel about its unclear future |
| 14:03.43 | remur_030 | dog_pote: which file could you want from there, it's all binaries |
| 14:03.49 | Rockj | remur_030: yeah, that was my thought. |
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| 14:04.27 | Night_Elf | remur_030: lala9: Rockj: indeed. I have found out that it's not a matter of md5 or sha difference, but more the password of choice itself that matters. |
| 14:04.29 | dog_pote | remur_030, sisimedia_drv.so and sisimedia_drv.la |
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| 14:05.20 | remur_030 | dog_pote: I bet you want to replace the ones currently in your system, or they aren't even there yet, but still this will not work |
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| 14:05.28 | remur_030 | they are built for a totally different Xorg system |
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| 14:05.46 | dog_pote | remur_030, then see that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/301958 |
| 14:05.57 | remur_030 | overwriting current ones will make x non-starting, creating them new will just break when called |
| 14:06.48 | remur_030 | dog_pote: you need it built for debian |
| 14:06.56 | remur_030 | the one you linked to will not work |
| 14:09.09 | The_faithful | I want to configure my "openssl.cnf" file but I found 2 path for it : /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf and /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf.. what is the real path to configure my OpenSSL ? |
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| 14:10.05 | Sevet | The_faithful: is /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf a symbolic link to /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf? |
| 14:10.12 | Sevet | if so either, they'll be identical |
| 14:10.31 | The_faithful | Sevet, oops I didn't checked this thing yet |
| 14:10.35 | The_faithful | I will see |
| 14:10.45 | Sevet | ok |
| 14:10.59 | edoreld | is there any # for open office? |
| 14:11.11 | The_faithful | Sevet, that's true.. thank you |
| 14:11.15 | Sevet | np :) |
| 14:11.29 | abrotman | dog_pote: are you running ubuntu? |
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| 14:11.55 | abrotman | edoreld: #openoffice.org IIRC |
| 14:12.02 | edoreld | thx |
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| 14:12.13 | dog_pote | abrotman, yes |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | dog_pote: please go to #ubuntu for support or ##linux |
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| 14:14.07 | Flord-Meter | hi |
| 14:14.31 | paxcoder | oh gosh what would we do without tomtom? i wouldn't know i need to breathe in regular intervals. |
| 14:14.39 | paxcoder | *tomboy |
| 14:14.45 | Flord-Meter | Does anyone know what would cause many applications to start segfaulting all of a sudden.. including the kernel. ? |
| 14:14.57 | remur_030 | Flord-Meter: broken RAM? |
| 14:15.13 | Flord-Meter | Flord-Meter, upon restart it works fine for a while (4 days since) |
| 14:15.31 | Flord-Meter | remur_030, Except for a memory test anything else I can look into? |
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| 14:16.28 | remur_030 | Flord-Meter: no idea, maybe check aptitude log if it updated a very important lib like glibc, but otherwise no idea and I'd suspect RAM |
| 14:16.52 | abrotman | paxcoder: please don't do that here, this is a support channel |
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| 14:17.22 | Flord-Meter | do you know what the error codes for these messages mean? |
| 14:17.46 | Flord-Meter | kernel: netstat[25121]: segfault at 00000009 eip 0804ad01 esp bfdacc90 error 6 |
| 14:17.53 | remur_030 | Flord-Meter: no idea |
| 14:18.07 | Flord-Meter | anyone? I keep getting specific error codes: 4 and 6 |
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| 14:18.26 | Flord-Meter | This is for almost all of the services that I run |
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| 14:19.24 | Gratz474 | easiest way to install java for debian? |
| 14:19.39 | stew | Flord-Meter: it means that your program tried to access the memory location 00000009, which was in the wrong memory segment, and shouldn't be accessed by your program. at the time the instruction pointer was pointing at the memory location 0804ad01 and the top of the argument stack was at bfdacc90. |
| 14:20.01 | abrotman | Gratz474: apt-cache search jdk .. install the one you want |
| 14:20.06 | stew | Flord-Meter: none of this is very useful to you without a stack trace and the source code |
| 14:20.07 | Gratz474 | is that the real thing? |
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| 14:20.50 | stew | Gratz474: "aptitude install openjdk-6-jre" is probably the easiest way |
| 14:20.51 | abrotman | no, i'm an impostor |
| 14:20.52 | Gratz474 | abrotman, is that the real java thing? |
| 14:20.57 | stew | Gratz474: what are you hoping to do with java? |
| 14:21.05 | Gratz474 | red5 server |
| 14:21.07 | stew | Gratz474: what do you mean by "the real java thing"? |
| 14:21.08 | abrotman | Gratz474: i'm not sure what you mean by 'real java' |
| 14:21.31 | ranix | not a cappuccino; more like a latte |
| 14:21.34 | Gratz474 | i mean some 3rd partty thing |
| 14:21.55 | stew | Gratz474: this is not a 3rd party thing, it is the free java from sun |
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| 14:22.24 | Gratz474 | ah ok |
| 14:22.39 | stew | Gratz474: if you want the non-free java from sun, there is sun-java6-{jre,jdk} as well, but those aren't in debian, they are in debian's non-free repositories |
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| 14:23.45 | Gratz474 | stew, would there be any reason to get that? |
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| 14:23.50 | Flord-Meter | stew, Since this appears to be happing to several well known applications, I would think that the stack trace would be useless. |
| 14:23.53 | Gratz474 | i would like to run the red5 server software |
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| 14:24.22 | ranix | < Flord-Meter> This is for almost all of the services that I run |
| 14:24.35 | ranix | Flord-Meter: can you be more specific as to which programs exactly are segfaulting? |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | Flord-Meter: it likely indicates a hardware issue |
| 14:24.41 | ranix | did you write them yourself? |
| 14:24.48 | stew | Flord-Meter: in that case, I'd suspect that you have faulty hardware, and the first blame generally goes to your memory chips. we'd suggest running memtest86+ to see if it identifies a bad memory chip |
| 14:24.56 | Flord-Meter | ranix, ssh, netstat, apache, mysql |
| 14:25.14 | ranix | Flord-Meter: I'd go with stew and abrotman, begin looking at hardware failure as a potential cause |
| 14:25.29 | ranix | Flord-Meter: is it always the same memory address? |
| 14:25.30 | Flord-Meter | Thanks everyone for your help.. will look into that |
| 14:25.36 | Flord-Meter | ranix, no |
| 14:25.42 | ranix | ok, ram is most likely |
| 14:25.45 | Flord-Meter | ranix, the error code is the same |
| 14:25.53 | Flord-Meter | ranix, why do you say so? |
| 14:25.57 | Flord-Meter | ranix, nm I got it |
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| 14:26.27 | stew | Flord-Meter: overheating can cause your symptoms as well |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | GONE! |
| 14:26.40 | vlt | Hello. Where is the time of logout written to when wtmp became wtmp.1 while I was logged in? |
| 14:26.41 | stew | WHAT? |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | the CPU will be gone soon :) |
| 14:26.58 | ranix | where is it going |
| 14:27.03 | stew | OH! |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | i suppose if he were far into swap, it could even be the disk controller, but i'd think that would leave other traces in the logs |
| 14:27.41 | ranix | vlt: I believe that's handled by syslogd or log-rotate or similar, which I also believe logs itself |
| 14:27.44 | hugo_ | what does this mean? "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed" |
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| 14:28.21 | abrotman | hugo_: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:28.26 | hugo_ | when is a package considered to be "untrusted"? |
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| 14:29.12 | hugo_ | abrotman: how does it help? |
| 14:29.46 | abrotman | hugo_: it should install the key file for that repository |
| 14:29.51 | ranix | vlt: looking into it, I believe it's handled by logrotate(8) and the manpage suggests logrotate does not log its own actions |
| 14:30.05 | lala9 | hey, i just checked, and according to man shadow indeed the passes that start with $1$ should be MD5 encrypted |
| 14:30.09 | paxcoder | abrotman: is there a dev channel? |
| 14:30.15 | lala9 | however, i also find that they are not the same, although several accounts on my debian system share the same password |
| 14:30.28 | ranix | vlt: but you can check its configuration to see when it *should* have done it by checking /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | paxcoder: sure, but i doubt they want to hear any more on that topic .. it's been beat to death .. |
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| 14:30.54 | ranix | vlt: or, look at the file modified date with ls -l |
| 14:31.05 | abrotman | paxcoder: there's nothing legally wrong with tomboy or any mono app .. it's all FUD at this point |
| 14:31.26 | hugo_ | abrotman: if aptitude requires that package installed, why isn't it preinstalled? |
| 14:31.38 | vlt | ranix: Changing wtmp tp wtmp.1 is handled by log-rotate, yes. But where can I find the time a user logged out when the login time is now in wtmp.1? |
| 14:31.46 | abrotman | paxcoder: but if you'd like to keep takling about it .. you can try the boycott-novell channel .. they seem to not like mono |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | hugo_: you're running etch right ? |
| 14:32.02 | hugo_ | abrotman: lenny |
| 14:32.13 | abrotman | hugo_: did you add unofficial repos ? |
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| 14:32.38 | ranix | vlt: /var/log/wtmp.1 ends, and /var/log/wtmp begins |
| 14:33.08 | hugo_ | hugo_: no |
| 14:33.16 | vlt | ranix: Yes. But `last` can't find the logout times in current wtmp. |
| 14:33.31 | abrotman | hugo_: that package should have been installed already |
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| 14:33.55 | vlt | ranix: At least it doesn't list them. |
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| 14:34.10 | hugo_ | abrotman: i didn't change anything in sources.list after finished installing the lenny |
| 14:34.17 | hugo_ | abrotman: so i'm sure it's official repo |
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| 14:34.44 | abrotman | hugo_: if you try to `aptitude install debian-archive-keyring` .. what does it say ? |
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| 14:35.16 | hugo_ | abrotman: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 14:35.38 | ranix | vlt: last -f /var/log/wtmp.1 ? |
| 14:35.51 | ranix | vlt: or last -f /var/log/wtmp |
| 14:35.58 | vlt | ranix: There I can find the logins, but no logout |
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| 14:36.11 | ranix | vlt: if neither shows a logout, but does show a login, then I suggest the user is still logged in |
| 14:36.31 | ranix | or your system has been compromised perhaps |
| 14:36.43 | abrotman | hugo_: have you run `aptitude update;apt-get update` lately ? |
| 14:36.56 | hugo_ | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:37.20 | vlt | ranix: No, the user logged in, then log-rotate renamed wtmp to wtmp.1 and created a new wtmp, then the users logged out. |
| 14:37.48 | ranix | vlt: then the logout should be logged in wtmp |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | hugo_: which key is complaining? |
| 14:37.57 | vlt | ranix: hmmm ... |
| 14:38.00 | ranix | vlt: if it is not, and you can replicate that, it is a huge security bug |
| 14:38.02 | hugo_ | abrotman: now it worked. not sure why... aptitude update and apt-get update different? |
| 14:38.14 | abrotman | hugo_: yes-ish :) |
| 14:38.58 | hugo_ | abrotman: i only do aptitude update, not apt-get update |
| 14:39.10 | hugo_ | abrotman: is this bad? |
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| 14:39.19 | abrotman | hugo_: not normally .. |
| 14:40.11 | hugo_ | abrotman: maybe a problem of the repo side? |
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| 14:42.53 | gynterk | hey, is it possible to hinde ping unknown host error somehow? |
| 14:43.00 | gynterk | i'm using this line: until `ping -c 1 www.google.com -I ppp0 > /dev/null`; do : ;done to see if i'm connected or not |
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| 14:43.18 | gynterk | but i get lots of unknown host echoes before I'm connected |
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| 14:45.31 | Rockj | gynterk: 2&1>/dev/null |
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| 14:45.43 | Rockj | > only redirect std.out, and not std.err |
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| 14:46.44 | gynterk | thanks |
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| 14:53.50 | gynterk | err, now this loop stopped to work |
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| 14:55.54 | hugo_ | where can i learn purposes of main, updates and volatile? |
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| 14:56.42 | remur_030 | hugo_: google it? |
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| 15:01.42 | amikrop | Hello, can I mount nrg images like that? $ sudo mount -o loop image.nrg |
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| 15:01.51 | rdz | is there a problem with calling a new user 'admin'? |
| 15:01.52 | karrotx | is there no longer security updates for sarge? |
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| 15:01.55 | rdz | should that be avoided? |
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| 15:02.07 | karrotx | rdz: dictionary attacks |
| 15:02.09 | Rockj | amikrop: you need to convert it to iso, aptitude search nrg2iso I think |
| 15:02.21 | rudi_s | !tell karrotx about sarge |
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| 15:02.25 | amikrop | Rockj: ok, thank you :) |
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| 15:02.46 | rdz | karrotx, thanks |
| 15:02.46 | eddy | hi, i want to upgrade a package with aptitude. i have a packet in the state "half-configured". is it possible to prevent aptitude from finishing install of this packet? |
| 15:03.04 | buntfalke | (offtopic) one of the bots has a nice quote about opinions, how do I get it? |
| 15:03.06 | buntfalke | !opinion buntfalke |
| 15:03.15 | buntfalke | !opinion |
| 15:03.17 | buntfalke | hmm |
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| 15:05.22 | buntfalke | debhelper: !opinion |
| 15:06.11 | \amethyst | buntfalke: /msg dpkg opinions |
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| 15:06.22 | buntfalke | ah - plural! thanks |
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| 15:06.50 | \amethyst | buntfalke: also /msg dpkg listkeys opinion |
| 15:07.06 | \amethyst | buntfalke: if you need to search again in the future |
| 15:07.17 | buntfalke | noted, thanks |
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| 15:09.16 | vlt | ranix: I just found a solution. When I `cat wtmp.1 wtmp > outfile` I can read the logout times with `last -f outfile`. |
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| 15:09.58 | vlt | ranix: So, you're right. The logout is actually stored to wtmp. It's just `last` that doesn't print it when the login is missing. |
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| 15:10.55 | chomwitt | can i see with aptitude the files of an installed package? |
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| 15:11.52 | jmoncayo | does anyone here has managed to configure and run chillispot + freeradius |
| 15:12.12 | vlt | chomwitt: `dpkg -L` |
| 15:12.19 | Rockj | lame, losetup in debian isn't new enough to contain salt option :/ (I think) |
| 15:12.56 | chomwitt | vlt: thanks |
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| 15:14.10 | ranix | vlt: aah, good. Glad to help a bit |
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| 15:14.36 | asfdasfd | test |
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| 15:16.33 | paxcoder | abrotman: i agree - noting legally disputable... yet |
| 15:16.58 | Rockj | I take back my last statement, loop-aes-utils :) |
| 15:17.16 | abrotman | paxcoder: right, this is a support channel, really nothing to discuss here |
| 15:18.25 | paxcoder | i didn't want to discuss. i was just making a comment. |
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| 15:19.18 | dokma | how do I list all attached HDs irrespective of being mounted of not? |
| 15:19.19 | abrotman | noted, discarded |
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| 15:19.42 | abrotman | dokma: you can fdisk -l each device? or you don't even know the devices? |
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| 15:20.12 | dokma | abrotman: I would actually like the system to print the devices it sees |
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| 15:20.29 | Gratz474 | stew, you still there? will the java that comes with debian be albe to run red5 you think or weill i need the non free one? |
| 15:20.31 | poisonbit | i think that fdisk -l (without params) returns all disk partitions available |
| 15:20.32 | abrotman | probably some stuff in /proc/ i'd think |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | poisonbit: only as root though IIRC |
| 15:20.49 | dokma | ok will check into it |
| 15:20.51 | dokma | thank you |
| 15:20.52 | And[y] | why does this not work: |
| 15:20.53 | And[y] | su games -l -c "screen -S `screen -ls |egrep .nex[[:space:]] |awk -F . '{print $1}'|awk '{print $1}'`.nex -p 0 -X eval 'stuff \"sv_cmd dumpdb foo.db\015\"'" |
| 15:20.54 | And[y] | ? :> |
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| 15:21.37 | stew | Gratz474: i don't know what red5 is |
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| 15:22.16 | Gratz474 | a java server for steaming like video and audio or something stew i mean will most things work with the one in debian ? |
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| 15:22.23 | abrotman | stew: he was the guy from Star Wars |
| 15:22.32 | stew | Gratz474: probably |
| 15:23.33 | And[y] | this does work: su games -l -c "screen -S 28437.nex -p 0 -X eval 'stuff \"sv_cmd dumpdb foo.db\015\"'" |
| 15:23.47 | And[y] | and this one, too: echo `screen -ls |egrep .nex[[:space:]] |awk -F . '{print $1}'|awk '{print $1}'`.nex |
| 15:23.49 | poisonbit | dokma, if haven't root access, you can explore dmesg: dmesg | egrep '(s|h)d[a-z]' |
| 15:24.07 | poisonbit | if you have root access, simply: fdisk -l |
| 15:24.47 | sylarr | can i use the ps/2 ports as serial ports? |
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| 15:25.46 | stew | hmm, how can I determin if my / partition is on IDE or SATA? |
| 15:25.56 | stew | actually maybe I don't care |
| 15:26.00 | dokma | poisonbit: fdisk -l worked |
| 15:26.23 | stew | what is the tool to determine the uuid of a partition? I can never remember |
| 15:26.53 | poisonbit | findfs ? |
| 15:27.07 | poisonbit | no |
| 15:27.08 | poisonbit | no |
| 15:27.11 | poisonbit | vol_id |
| 15:27.13 | stew | poisonbit: that's the other way |
| 15:27.17 | poisonbit | yes |
| 15:27.21 | poisonbit | vol_id is to read |
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| 15:27.32 | stew | yeah, that won't work here |
| 15:28.00 | stew | its a sarge box that I need to update, and vol_id didn't exist yet, afaik |
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| 15:28.25 | poisonbit | then try with man -k UUI |
| 15:28.48 | stew | nope |
| 15:29.10 | stew | actually, I probably can't mount by uuid on this box anyway |
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| 15:30.21 | stew | I've been asking them to let me upgrade this sarge box since etch was released, they finally told me I can do it tomorrow night :( |
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| 15:32.50 | poisonbit | stew, in spanish there is a sentence, wich is like: "better late than never" |
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| 15:33.39 | poisonbit | to know if is ide or sata, you can also use hdparm, dmesg, lshw... |
| 15:33.44 | stew | it unfortunately took getting a box rooted to convince them |
| 15:33.55 | poisonbit | :-/ |
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| 15:34.41 | stew | i don' thave hdparm or lshw installed |
| 15:34.42 | sepult | shit my disk is spinning around and around without stopping, is the debian kernel 2.6.26-2-686 buggy ? |
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| 15:36.38 | JyZyXEL | how do you choose which sound card is the hw:0 |
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| 15:38.22 | poisonbit | stew, maybe do you have dmidecode installed ? |
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| 15:38.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: by aliasing snd-card-0 to the driver for that card in /etc/modprobe.d (man modprobe.conf) |
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| 15:38.52 | stew | poisonbit: no, and it wouldn't helpj |
| 15:38.56 | jamesmcm13 | hey guys |
| 15:38.59 | jamesmcm13 | how do I add the repos |
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| 15:39.09 | stew | jamesmcm13: which repos? |
| 15:39.12 | jamesmcm13 | it can't find emacs or irssi packages |
| 15:39.20 | stew | jamesmcm13: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 15:39.22 | jamesmcm13 | stew: I don't know, the main ones? it seems I have very few atm |
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| 15:39.28 | JyZyXEL | stew: and how do you apply it without a restart |
| 15:39.56 | stew | JyZyXEL: by unloading all the drivers and reloading them in the correct order |
| 15:40.09 | JyZyXEL | :q |
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| 15:40.29 | marsje | Small question about UUID + RAID: what if I have a RAID1 system /dev/md0 that consists of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, should the UUID of sda1 and sdb1 be different or that same? |
| 15:40.42 | JyZyXEL | well i don't know the driver names for any of my cards |
| 15:40.47 | JyZyXEL | so thats a problem |
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| 15:42.00 | karrotx | i'm trying to build a package and it keeps saying "cannot find mailutils-config" - i've installed the sarge mailutils package |
| 15:42.04 | jamesmcm13 | the only repo I have atm |
| 15:42.05 | karrotx | is this package not sufficient? |
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| 15:42.17 | jamesmcm13 | is deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 15:42.29 | jamesmcm13 | what other ones do I need to add? |
| 15:42.51 | JyZyXEL | god damnit someone again made this way too hard |
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| 15:43.27 | \amethyst | karrotx: apt-file search mailutils-config => libmailutils-dev |
| 15:43.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: the driver names start with snd- |
| 15:43.39 | JyZyXEL | stew: yea there are 30 of them |
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| 15:44.04 | \amethyst | karrotx: usually these foo-config programs print out compiler/linker options for a particular library, so they're usually in -dev packages |
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| 15:44.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: perhaps "modinfo modulename" can help you |
| 15:44.18 | JyZyXEL | no it can't |
| 15:44.19 | karrotx | \amethyst: i do not have that package, what repo are you using? |
| 15:44.27 | stew | JyZyXEL: that sucks |
| 15:44.27 | \amethyst | karrotx: apt-get build-dep packagename should fetch it |
| 15:44.34 | JyZyXEL | god damn alsa |
| 15:44.36 | woshty | i tried to build ffmpeg from squeeze source for lenny .. why is there no source package? |
| 15:44.37 | mjt | what's the way to "downgrade" certain packages with apt-get from -testing back to -stable (i know i can list package=version) ? |
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| 15:44.47 | \amethyst | karrotx: I'm using sid, but it's also in etch, lenny, and squeeze |
| 15:45.15 | karrotx | \amethyst: ah, this machine is still running sarge |
| 15:45.15 | \amethyst | karrotx: I don't know if it's in sarge or not... sarge is unsupported and has been for a while |
| 15:45.19 | karrotx | i understand |
| 15:45.29 | jmoncayo | hey guys, anyone here has managed to configure chillispot + freeradius |
| 15:45.35 | \amethyst | karrotx: you can try doing apt-file search mailutils-config but it might not exist in sarge |
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| 15:45.45 | stew | judd: source ffmpeg |
| 15:45.46 | judd | stew: ffmpeg -- Source: ffmpeg-debian |
| 15:45.47 | karrotx | i dont think it does |
| 15:45.48 | karrotx | thanks |
| 15:45.54 | stew | woshty: see judd's output above |
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| 15:49.21 | woshty | stew: ah, thx .. it says something about ffmpegcvs missing |
| 15:49.24 | JyZyXEL | * The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used! |
| 15:49.31 | JyZyXEL | whats the new solution then |
| 15:49.53 | stew | JyZyXEL: "man modprobe.conf" |
| 15:50.07 | stew | woshty: ffmpegcvs is not from debian, that's from debian-multimedia |
| 15:50.59 | karrotx | to run an upgrade you change the sources to etch and then run dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:51.28 | stew | karrotx: the recommended procedure is not that simple, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 15:51.34 | zxd | Hi |
| 15:51.42 | zxd | what's the difference between racoon and openswan |
| 15:51.47 | karrotx | stew: ya i'm reading that |
| 15:51.51 | JyZyXEL | stew: there is nothing about that |
| 15:51.55 | JyZyXEL | im on testing |
| 15:51.59 | karrotx | i didn't see where it mentioned changing the sources to etch |
| 15:52.03 | karrotx | but i remember doing that in the past |
| 15:52.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: nothing about what? |
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| 15:52.11 | JyZyXEL | about reloading modules |
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| 15:52.25 | stew | JyZyXEL: what do you mean by reloading modules? |
| 15:52.34 | woden | Why is it that when I try to import a public key with seahorse, I get the error: "Invalid File Format" ? |
| 15:52.43 | JyZyXEL | whatever update-modules used to do |
| 15:52.53 | JyZyXEL | http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg18725.html |
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| 15:53.18 | JyZyXEL | it says you gotta run that after modifying /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf |
| 15:53.22 | karrotx | does anyone here know if going from sarge -> etch would interfere with sendmail? |
| 15:53.23 | stew | karrotx: that's section 4.4 |
| 15:53.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: there is no need to do that |
| 15:53.34 | woshty | stew: harr .. ur right .. |
| 15:53.50 | remur_030 | is there a debian repo I can get rar for arm architecture? |
| 15:53.53 | stew | JyZyXEL: by that i mean "no need to do anything like update-modules" you just need to edit files in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 15:54.01 | JyZyXEL | and what then |
| 15:54.04 | sigmonsays | What's the easiest way to turn a directory into a package in debian ? |
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| 15:54.18 | stew | remur_030: no |
| 15:54.26 | Gratz474 | stew, what jdk do i want to install agian? |
| 15:54.28 | remur_030 | stew: gah =/ |
| 15:54.31 | JyZyXEL | the default device won't just magically change |
| 15:54.58 | yurikoles | how to build openssl on linux amd64 for win32? |
| 15:54.59 | stew | remur_030: there is unrar-free |
| 15:55.11 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes it will |
| 15:55.20 | remur_030 | stew: aunpack doesn't seem to like it =/ |
| 15:55.21 | karrotx | could someone run `apt-cache policy sendmail` on an etch machine? |
| 15:55.27 | stew | JyZyXEL: oh, not without reloading the drivers, no |
| 15:55.43 | stew | karrotx: what are you hoping to know about sendmail in etch? |
| 15:55.51 | JyZyXEL | rmmod modprobe im guessing |
| 15:55.54 | jelly-home | karrotx: 8.13.8-3 0 \n 500 http://ftp.carnet.hr etch/main Packages |
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| 15:55.59 | stew | remur_030: use a free format instead |
| 15:56.01 | karrotx | stew: i need to upgrade a mail server running sendmail which current installed version 8.13.4 |
| 15:56.02 | yurikoles | unrar is BSDL? |
| 15:56.15 | karrotx | i need to make sure the upgrade doesn't break sendmail |
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| 15:56.22 | yurikoles | how to build openssl on linux amd64 for win32? |
| 15:56.25 | remur_030 | stew: not my call here, guess I'll just move the files to my x86 system then |
| 15:56.27 | karrotx | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 15:56.36 | stew | yurikoles: unrar is not free software |
| 15:57.59 | JyZyXEL | FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use. |
| 15:58.02 | JyZyXEL | great |
| 15:58.23 | JyZyXEL | FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use. |
| 15:58.30 | JyZyXEL | also great |
| 15:58.42 | JyZyXEL | --force? |
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| 15:59.17 | stew | JyZyXEL: "--force?" isn't really a very good question, can you be more specific? |
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| 15:59.31 | JyZyXEL | do i use modprobe -rf |
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| 15:59.45 | JyZyXEL | to unload the audio drivers |
| 15:59.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, you kill the processes which are using the devices first |
| 16:00.03 | JyZyXEL | well i have no idea |
| 16:00.22 | JyZyXEL | im not hearing any music |
| 16:00.30 | JyZyXEL | nothing is using any sound cards |
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| 16:00.43 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes, something is using your sound cards |
| 16:01.10 | JyZyXEL | but what |
| 16:01.18 | poisonbit | stew, to read the UUID in sarge, tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 ? |
| 16:01.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: 'fuser /dev/dsp /dev/muxer /dev/snd/* 2>/dev/null" will give you a list of pids |
| 16:01.56 | stew | poisonbit: beautiful. thank you! |
| 16:02.06 | poisonbit | :) |
| 16:02.11 | stew | i should have thought of that! :) |
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| 16:02.59 | JyZyXEL | stew: killed them all |
| 16:03.00 | JyZyXEL | still in use |
| 16:03.21 | stew | JyZyXEL: then you didn't kill them all |
| 16:03.27 | JyZyXEL | yea i did |
| 16:03.30 | stew | ok |
| 16:03.34 | jelly-home | stew: muxer! |
| 16:03.44 | stew | i don't even know her |
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| 16:03.51 | ajavid | lol |
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| 16:05.29 | JyZyXEL | so how do you see what is using a kernel module |
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| 16:07.08 | poisonbit | 'what' is using 'where' ? |
| 16:07.22 | JyZyXEL | well i don't |
| 16:07.29 | JyZyXEL | something that pervents me from removing it |
| 16:07.39 | poisonbit | at filesystem level ? at memory level? |
| 16:07.59 | jelly-home | at any level! |
| 16:08.00 | JyZyXEL | whatever level that prevents me from unloading the module |
| 16:08.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: try "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/*" |
| 16:08.08 | JyZyXEL | yea i guess it would be any level |
| 16:08.23 | zxd | anyone know a howto for creating Certificate authority server linux |
| 16:08.31 | JyZyXEL | no pids |
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| 16:08.51 | stew | JyZyXEL: how are you trying to unload the modules? |
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| 16:08.58 | JyZyXEL | modprobe -r |
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| 16:10.33 | JyZyXEL | guess ill restart |
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| 16:11.37 | JyZyXEL | what a pile of shit this turned out to be |
| 16:11.53 | JyZyXEL | but i guess thats always the case with alsa |
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| 16:12.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | l |
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| 16:13.45 | mlk | hi, I'm having some trouble using libmagic source. Getting memory exception (magic is running out of range on an array) |
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| 16:15.08 | mlk | I'm using magic source + animation db to detect various audio streams (buffer) |
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| 16:16.10 | mlk | would appreciate any help |
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| 16:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fail to see how that is debian-related |
| 16:20.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or even a real question |
| 16:20.42 | DevNullnDull | in the past few days i have been reading a lot about dpkg and apt. now I am trying to find the command that report if a package is installed and the status of the package, i can not find it? |
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| 16:20.55 | azeem | DevNullnDull: dpkg -l <package> |
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| 16:22.43 | DevNullnDull | azeem: that's it. I was think it would have the same output for packages not installed. |
| 16:22.53 | DevNullnDull | that sucks a little bit. |
| 16:22.57 | micols | has anyone every experienced ohci_hcd crashing the kernel with NULL pointer deference everytime it is loaded? my MCP55 nvidia chipset requires it according to lspci -v |
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| 16:23.32 | micols | the machine has been memtested for 12hours straight |
| 16:23.54 | micols | it started with nfs kernel crashes, the kernel has SMP in it |
| 16:24.04 | micols | would crash when the client wrote lots of data |
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| 16:25.03 | azeem | DevNullnDull: dpkg isn't really concerned with packages which are not installed |
| 16:25.11 | azeem | for that, use apt-cache show, or apt-cache policy |
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| 16:26.26 | karrotx | is there a way to tell how ./configure was run on a package (years later) |
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| 16:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | karrotx, get the source package and look in debian/rules |
| 16:26.52 | azeem | karrotx: not really |
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| 16:27.12 | azeem | karrotx: you could try to look up the build log at buildd.debian.org/<source-package> |
| 16:27.34 | karrotx | sorry, this is not debian specific, i have the source of a tar ball that i need to recreate |
| 16:27.47 | azeem | karrotx: then even less so |
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| 16:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can see what stuff was linked into the resulting executables with ldd, but that's it |
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| 16:30.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and thou shan't be surprised to get debian-specific answers in #debian |
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| 16:31.41 | karrotx | i wasn't surprised, i should have been more specific |
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| 16:37.09 | Phantal | I had ubuntu 8.04 and upgraded to the current release. I prefer to use command line tools for configuring wireless (iwlist, iwconfig, dhclient), but for some reason I don't get dhcp responses from the wireless router |
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| 16:37.37 | g00se | Current release of what? |
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| 16:37.48 | Phantal | current release of ubuntu. |
| 16:38.28 | Phantal | When I try asking in the ubuntu channels, they want me to use gui tools to take care of it. The gui tools weren't installed, after installation they don't run, and I'd rather stick with a command line solution if possible |
| 16:38.29 | Phantal | it' |
| 16:38.32 | Phantal | it's more versatile |
| 16:38.51 | g00se | !tell Phantal about ubuntu |
| 16:39.26 | g00se | !ubuntu |
| 16:39.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 16:42.32 | jake[work] | i can't login via root anymore remotely. tried the reset procedure and it says the password was reset sucessfully. but still doesn't work. I was working w pam_cracklib, but i'm pretty sure i put everything config wise back to the defaults. |
| 16:43.16 | jake[work] | btw - using the newest lenny |
| 16:43.24 | JPT | check /etc/sshd |
| 16:43.30 | JPT | you can deny root-logins |
| 16:43.41 | jake[work] | ok |
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| 16:44.13 | SerajewelKS | i forget, is there a way if i have a directory owned by group A, and i have a user B who is in group A but has a primary group of C, is there a way to, for one directory tree, force files to be owned by group A? |
| 16:44.21 | jake[work] | is that something that could've been changed by an upgrade from woody? considering it worked before |
| 16:44.23 | SerajewelKS | usually when user B creates them the group ownership is C |
| 16:45.08 | JPT | jake[work]: i don't really know.... i just thought about this cause :) |
| 16:45.13 | fxiny | jake[work]: woody pam ? yes |
| 16:45.46 | fxiny | i know it because i edit all my pam conf |
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| 16:46.16 | jake[work] | cool. is there anyone around that could guarantee getting this working for me. i'd pay for it as this is the 3rd call trying to make this work. i have a tech one site w my client |
| 16:46.20 | jake[work] | on |
| 16:46.58 | jake[work] | (pm me) |
| 16:47.05 | fxiny | not me . i am a user |
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| 16:47.46 | jake[work] | or any recommendations of someone that would accept this for a fee |
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| 16:48.19 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: that tends not to work here - people who can fix stuff will volunteer |
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| 16:48.59 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: sorry you're still having such trouble, but remote toor login has probably been disabled somewhere amongst your upgrading |
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| 16:49.11 | jpinx-eeepc | *remote root |
| 16:49.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: do you not have another user you can log in with? |
| 16:49.34 | karrotx | is there a way to list all packages installed? |
| 16:49.38 | jake[work] | :) no logins work it seems |
| 16:49.39 | fxiny | crack_lib ? yes ? doing some hardening ? |
| 16:49.56 | jpinx-eeepc | karrotx: dpkg -l |
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| 16:50.34 | karrotx | thanks |
| 16:50.39 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: and you have no physical access to the box? |
| 16:50.59 | jake[work] | right - i only can tell a guy (my client) over the phone what to do - which totally blows |
| 16:51.19 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: yea - that sucks |
| 16:51.25 | jake[work] | especially since i'm just doing a let's try this approach and googling |
| 16:51.29 | karrotx | tell him to get webcam going |
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| 16:51.41 | poisonbit | you can prepare a sh and guide the guy to boot a debian-live and run that .sh |
| 16:52.05 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: it's time for a reboot into a livecd |
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| 16:52.19 | jake[work] | he can get in np |
| 16:52.19 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: it's alive server - right? |
| 16:52.24 | jake[work] | i can't :) |
| 16:52.33 | jake[work] | he gets in single usr mode |
| 16:52.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - so you're not totally shut out of the box? |
| 16:52.46 | jake[work] | and yed - the server is live |
| 16:52.56 | karrotx | single user change the root passwd reboot problem solved? |
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| 16:53.27 | jake[work] | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.28 | jake[work] | (12:42:43 PM) jake[work]: i can't login via root anymore remotely. tried the reset procedure and it says the password was reset sucessfully. but still doesn't work. I was working w pam_cracklib, but i'm pretty sure i put everything config wise back to the defaults. |
| 16:53.30 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: can he su? |
| 16:53.42 | jake[work] | he's in as root i'm assuming |
| 16:53.53 | jpinx-eeepc | assume nothing - he's a client ;) |
| 16:53.56 | karrotx | and he can't change the password, or add a sudo account? |
| 16:53.57 | jake[work] | cause the pwd says it resets |
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| 16:54.09 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: ask him to do whoami |
| 16:54.21 | jake[work] | ok |
| 16:54.28 | poisonbit | mount -o remount,rw / ; passwd ; sync ; mount -o remount,ro / ; reboot (in single user mode) |
| 16:54.42 | jake[work] | that's what we did |
| 16:54.50 | jake[work] | and it gave no errors |
| 16:54.55 | jake[work] | well |
| 16:54.57 | jpinx-eeepc | who is your man logged in as? |
| 16:55.00 | jake[work] | didn't do sync |
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| 16:55.08 | stew | jake[work]: you don't need sync there |
| 16:55.11 | jake[work] | ok |
| 16:55.12 | abrotman | jake[work]: still ? |
| 16:55.16 | jake[work] | yep |
| 16:55.21 | poisonbit | anyway mount -o remount,ro should do the sync |
| 16:55.25 | jake[work] | ok |
| 16:55.53 | jake[work] | assuming the above proc, he would be logged in as root in single usr mode? |
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| 16:56.12 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: assume nothing - who is he logged in as? |
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| 16:57.25 | fxiny | jake[work] woody /etc/pam.d/login -> last two lines password required -> pam_cracklib.so ... and pam_unix.so : i'd try commenting 'em out |
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| 16:57.43 | fxiny | first |
| 16:57.56 | kbmelo1 | anybody from brazil? |
| 16:58.11 | g00se | !br |
| 16:58.11 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:58.14 | jpinx-eeepc | next door kbmelo1 |
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| 16:58.32 | dokma | I just burnt a live WinXP CD is it possible to boot that while my Debian is running using VMware ?? |
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| 16:58.40 | fxiny | because that is what you *uncomment* after installing libpam_crascklib |
| 16:58.49 | jake[work] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.42 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: you still have not identified what user your man is logged in as |
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| 17:00.04 | jake[work] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.10 | jake[work] | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.14 | jake[work] | and it went through |
| 17:00.21 | jake[work] | right? |
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| 17:00.51 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: you are making assumptions - what's the output of whoami |
| 17:00.53 | dokma | enouf: you know if it's possible to boot a live WinXP CD under a running Debian with WMvare? |
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| 17:01.34 | poisonbit | dokma, yes |
| 17:01.36 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: the only way to know is to take down the server again. the next time i take it down i need to fix it or this will probably reach upper mgmt |
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| 17:02.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: I thought you have a guy on the phone, logged in - no? |
| 17:02.16 | jake[work] | in the morning 5:30 EST |
| 17:02.22 | jake[work] | am |
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| 17:02.41 | jake[work] | unfortunately - nobody here was around |
| 17:02.42 | jpinx-eeepc | get him to type whoami and tell you the output |
| 17:02.51 | dokma | poisonbit: thanks, I'm just working on running vmware |
| 17:03.26 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: what's the next step (either root or not root)? |
| 17:03.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: you're not going to fix this without someone being logged in as something;) |
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| 17:03.34 | mmek | does anybody have experiences with torrentflux (python, torrent via php and apache) and how to secure it from crackers and exploiters? |
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| 17:04.02 | poisonbit | dokma, the server version, 2.0 over lenny amd64, can run from msdos, 3.11... to w2k8, w7 @32 @64, etc... |
| 17:04.20 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: and how much faith do you have in your man there? |
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| 17:04.33 | jake[work] | he can type very well |
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| 17:04.39 | jake[work] | and read a screen |
| 17:04.43 | jake[work] | :) |
| 17:05.08 | fxiny | good . a typo in a pam file can be deadly :P |
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| 17:05.31 | jake[work] | yep - we checked the auth.log file. no errors |
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| 17:05.40 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: what's he using? can you not log into his box and then use his session into the bust server?f |
| 17:05.42 | mmek | !torrentflux |
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| 17:05.51 | mmek | pokes dpkg |
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| 17:05.59 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: he's on site |
| 17:06.00 | abrotman | mmek: that's not going to tell you how to secure it |
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| 17:06.19 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: at the physical machine |
| 17:06.33 | mmek | usually enouf has good tips but he seems to be busy |
| 17:06.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: so he's using a keybd & monitor plugged in direct? |
| 17:06.39 | jake[work] | yep |
| 17:06.56 | jake[work] | i'm accessing through vpn |
| 17:07.07 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: ok - you'll need to get your ammunition ready thena dn run a whole routine with himo |
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| 17:07.22 | jake[work] | right |
| 17:07.28 | jake[work] | but i feel like i'm out of ammo |
| 17:07.35 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: you should assume no remote root login available |
| 17:07.46 | jake[work] | all i get is access denied |
| 17:08.00 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: yea - 'cos you're typing "root" |
| 17:08.07 | jake[work] | even the other users |
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| 17:08.12 | jake[work] | same thing |
| 17:08.20 | jake[work] | i set up two other user accts |
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| 17:08.26 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: then your blocked |
| 17:08.31 | jake[work] | right |
| 17:08.41 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: too many attempted logins |
| 17:09.03 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: your own security has locked you out |
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| 17:09.27 | jpinx-eeepc | you may find that the box is fien - it's *you* |
| 17:09.31 | jpinx-eeepc | *fine |
| 17:10.07 | jake[work] | ok - think i get it |
| 17:10.43 | poisonbit | Is there any tool, to document a human procces of tasks, an then produce something like a "check lists". I want to control tasks related to a change of LTO backup medias, in a team of 4 people. |
| 17:11.26 | poisonbit | i want to know if we can use something better than a spreadsheet |
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| 17:11.34 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: use a proxy, but not too much or you'll break it too |
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| 17:12.06 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: use a proxy? you think it's locked by ip? |
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| 17:12.27 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 17:12.31 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: it's your box, your security |
| 17:12.45 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: you tell me |
| 17:13.05 | fxiny | poisonbit: emacs org-mode ? |
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| 17:13.25 | jake[work] | ok - i loaded pam crack, but i brought the config files back to standard load on lenny |
| 17:13.35 | jake[work] | i had him read back the config lines to me |
| 17:13.54 | jake[work] | they all sound exactly like the configs on my default load |
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| 17:14.41 | jake[work] | i didn't setup any special user accounts, so entering in "passwd root" should only show successful if i'm logged in as root |
| 17:15.12 | jake[work] | remote root login blocked is the only thing that makes sense |
| 17:15.17 | JosefAssad | I'm looking at setting up a simple proxy on my home box. I don't need caching or anything fancy, but I do want authentication since I'll hang it off a publicly accessible port. squid seems a bit intimidating, is there nytihng simpler to recommend? |
| 17:15.22 | poisonbit | fxiny, we're all the team vim users, but i'll see your solution, thanks for the help |
| 17:15.26 | jake[work] | and the other accts are blocked |
| 17:15.48 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: do some really simple and basic stuff - create a user with sudo rights and use it for remote login - then you can change root pwd without knowing it |
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| 17:16.29 | fxiny | poisonbit: np |
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| 17:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: and do a cold appraisal of how you administer you remote bowes ;) |
| 17:16.51 | JyZyXEL | JosefAssad: i use dante-server |
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| 17:17.21 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: the whole point here was to secure this box and not login as root anymore - totally blew up in my face |
| 17:17.26 | JyZyXEL | its simple and has authentication |
| 17:17.39 | JosefAssad | JyZyXEL: I'll have a gander at that. Thank you! |
| 17:18.03 | fxiny | poisonbit: http://www.vimoutliner.org/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=7 |
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| 17:18.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: more preparation next time dude ;) |
| 17:18.42 | DevNullnDull | would sources.list also considered the preferences file? |
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| 17:18.50 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: that's what i'm asking for now |
| 17:18.56 | DevNullnDull | if not what is the preferences file for apt? |
| 17:19.12 | jake[work] | jpinx-eeepc: i'm looking for someone who can help me make this work - any recommendations |
| 17:19.24 | jpinx-eeepc | jake[work]: pm me |
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| 17:20.20 | poisonbit | fxiny, cool ! |
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| 17:20.54 | fxiny | poisonbit: it is :) |
| 17:21.42 | poisonbit | DevNullnDull, man -k apt_preferences |
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| 17:22.46 | DevNullnDull | poisonbit: thanks |
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| 17:26.11 | lelu | how would i break down my tcp/ip traffic my proccess? my server send 108MB in 19 hours which is odd |
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| 17:26.48 | zeidner | lsof -i |
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| 17:27.47 | karihre | but you would need to know from / to what port the traffic was |
| 17:28.16 | Posterdati | please I need help on lenny on ultra10 (x11 not working at all), thanks |
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| 17:29.58 | nkuttler | Posterdati: pastebin errors. |
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| 17:31.05 | luke3321 | Is it possible to convert from ext3 to ext4 on an existing install of squeeze? |
| 17:31.05 | Posterdati | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/m475ca310 |
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| 17:32.04 | lelu | did someone answer my question? |
| 17:32.50 | lelu | ahh i see lsof -i |
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| 17:33.52 | Posterdati | nkuttler: then? |
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| 17:34.23 | nkuttler | Posterdati: hm, no idea. i assume networking works? |
| 17:34.40 | Posterdati | nkuttler: lol |
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| 17:35.39 | nkuttler | Posterdati: try #debian-x @oftc |
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| 17:36.07 | Posterdati | nkuttler: almost empyt |
| 17:36.22 | karrotx | crap! i just ran `aptitude install initrd-tools` in the wrong window |
| 17:36.28 | karrotx | is there a way to roll back from this? |
| 17:36.47 | qneo | how can I change color depth? It's not set properly, and because hotplugging, there is not xorg.conf file (and I guess, I shouldn't create it) |
| 17:36.56 | nkuttler | karrotx: apitude remove? |
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| 17:37.10 | nkuttler | qneo: xrandr? |
| 17:37.12 | karrotx | nkuttler: i placed the etch sources in sources.list |
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| 17:37.18 | karrotx | and then i was testing the upgrade on my test server |
| 17:37.27 | karrotx | and like an idiot i had both windows opened and upgraded without realizing it |
| 17:37.41 | nkuttler | karrotx: upgraded what? |
| 17:37.58 | karrotx | i'm trying to go from sarge -> etch and i'm following the help listed |
| 17:38.07 | karrotx | i was doing this on a test server but actually ran the command on production |
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| 17:38.46 | nkuttler | karrotx: what do the sources.list have to do with removing a package? |
| 17:38.58 | karrotx | how can i remove initrd-tools ... |
| 17:38.58 | tdn | I have just installed Debian Lenny on a fit-PC. Now the sound does not work correctly. Sound is only coming from one speaker. I had Ubuntu (7.10) installed before, and the sound worked fine. Stereo through both speakers. I have checked cables and speakers. How do I make the sound work? |
| 17:39.01 | karrotx | it changed libc6 |
| 17:39.07 | nkuttler | karrotx: bad |
| 17:39.16 | g00se | karrotx: give yourself a red prompt on prod server |
| 17:39.32 | nkuttler | karrotx: i assume it pulled in a lot more packages? |
| 17:39.55 | g00se | tdn: You were advised to install alsa before in here. Did you? |
| 17:39.58 | karihre | luke3321, you can mount existing ext3 as ext4 and then it should start using new features from ext4. This will stop you from mounting it as ext3 again though. |
| 17:40.04 | Eulex | karrotx, aptitude install pkg1/release pkg2/release pkg3/release ... but downgrades are not supported, and you may encounter problems... especially downgrading something like libc6 is risky bizniz |
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| 17:40.19 | tdn | g00se, yes. It was already installed. |
| 17:40.32 | sylarr | nasty |
| 17:40.48 | Eulex | karrotx, where many packages upgraded? |
| 17:40.51 | g00se | tdn: Did you run alsaconf as root? |
| 17:40.53 | luke3321 | karihre: Is ext4 stable enough for home use in kernel 2.6.26? |
| 17:40.59 | karrotx | Eulex: yes |
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| 17:41.02 | sylarr | started without network and got a trace in the boot messages |
| 17:41.03 | tdn | g00se, yes. |
| 17:41.08 | karrotx | ****! i guess i have to go through with the upgrade |
| 17:41.15 | pleed | Can someone tell me how to grep for the minimum occurence of a regex? for example <a>bbb</a><a>ccc</a> should match each <a>...</a> with "<a>.*</a>" |
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| 17:41.17 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:41.21 | sylarr | dev watchdog |
| 17:41.31 | sylarr | humm |
| 17:41.41 | karihre | luke3321, I really don't know. For ext4 I think a more recent kernel is not a bad idea |
| 17:41.46 | JyZyXEL | pleed: perhaps this is not the right channel for that |
| 17:41.59 | pleed | JyZyXEL: dont know any better |
| 17:42.02 | JyZyXEL | pleed: try #regex |
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| 17:42.15 | luke3321 | karihre: Hmm.. That involves taking a kernel from unstable.. I will look into it. Thanks for the help |
| 17:42.20 | sladi | tdn: did you try speakertest -c2 ? |
| 17:42.24 | nkuttler | ooooh, there's a #regex? somebody should have told me that ten years ago.. |
| 17:42.30 | tdn | sladi, yes. Only sound in one speaker. |
| 17:42.33 | JyZyXEL | yea there it :D |
| 17:42.33 | Eulex | luke3321, ext4 was only marked as stable in the kernel in the 2.6.28 release -- and note that _stable_ in that context means that they want users to test it, not that it's ready for production use |
| 17:42.44 | karihre | luke3321, there was someone backportin the .30 kernel, I think. Not sure though, you are welcome : ) |
| 17:42.58 | Floops[w] | where can i find good step by step doc on setting up debain and a PDC |
| 17:43.01 | g00se | tdn: You probably need to determine how Debian alsa differs from Ubuntu alsa |
| 17:43.07 | Floops[w] | i mean as a PDC |
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| 17:43.11 | Eulex | karrotx, that sucks. you may want to try a downgrade, however that might bring more problems. |
| 17:43.12 | tdn | sladi, speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
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| 17:43.22 | luke3321 | Eulex: Well there isnt much at risk. All I have is a personal desktop. But are the benifits of ext4 worth the risk? |
| 17:43.26 | sladi | tdn: I'd chaeck again from a Live CD, for example Ubuntu maybe? |
| 17:43.36 | karrotx | Eulex: ya man i'm retarded |
| 17:43.37 | Eulex | luke3321, not on 2.6.26 |
| 17:43.41 | sladi | Puppy Linux is smaller |
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| 17:43.53 | luke3321 | Eulex: Alright, then I will wait. Thanks |
| 17:44.06 | Eulex | luke3321, if you get 2.6.30 that's a different story |
| 17:44.10 | karrotx | ok it looks like the upgrade is complete... |
| 17:44.18 | tdn | g00se, sladi: actually, I think that there is a similar problem on Ubuntu, but there needs to be set something special in alsamixer before it works. But a friend of mine did that long time ago on Ubuntu, I think. |
| 17:44.29 | sladi | tdn: then there is the alsa-base documentation with parameters listed which may be needed for your chip. |
| 17:44.31 | tdn | g00se, sladi: any idea what needs to be set in alsamixer? |
| 17:44.49 | karihre | luke3321, http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=315 |
| 17:45.13 | luke3321 | Eulex: Well I will wait for 2.6.30 to come into unstable or testing then |
| 17:45.26 | tdn | sladi, you mean /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README ? |
| 17:45.26 | sladi | tdn: maybe the module needs a parameter, I don't think there are stereo settings/ mono settings. |
| 17:45.43 | tdn | sladi, hmm... |
| 17:46.10 | sladi | yes there should be parameters for each module and workaroundslisted there |
| 17:46.13 | tdn | sladi, how do I give module parameters? |
| 17:46.47 | tdn | sladi, modinfo snd_cs5535audio says: ac97_quirk:AC'97 board specific workarounds. (charp), index:Index value for cs5535audio (array of int) |
| 17:46.57 | tdn | sladi, and index:Index value for cs5535audio (array of int) |
| 17:46.59 | sladi | tdn I don't know exactly the syntax but you can mopdrobe -r to remove the module and then enable it again with the parameters I guess. |
| 17:47.00 | Eulex | luke3321, it's in unstable. |
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| 17:47.25 | luke3321 | Eulex: I just saw. In that case, I can wait for it to migrate to testing |
| 17:47.30 | tdn | sladi, what is the difference between rmmod and modprobe -r? |
| 17:47.41 | g00se | tdn: Of course my approach falls to the ground if its a hardware prob |
| 17:47.42 | sladi | tdn, no idea. :) |
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| 17:48.11 | tdn | g00se, which approach? Module params? |
| 17:48.26 | Titan8990 | what package is emerald window manager located in debian? |
| 17:48.31 | g00se | tdn: Mimicing Ubuntu |
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| 17:48.37 | qneo | nkuttler: I didn't find option color depth for xrandr. and any usable result on the net.. |
| 17:48.39 | B4ckBOne | Using lsof, is there a way of telling which byte is being read at the moment? Like 256Mb of 1024Mb or so ? |
| 17:48.42 | tdn | g00se, oh. |
| 17:49.11 | Eulex | not at all, rmmod is deprecated |
| 17:49.41 | tdn | I need to rmmod and then modprobe a module, but how do I do that when it is in use by other modules? Is there a way to do it recursive? And then also re-enable the same modules again to reverse the process? |
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| 17:49.52 | sladi | Eulex, I see :) |
| 17:50.06 | tdn | Eulex, oh. Ok. |
| 17:50.14 | B4ckBOne | tdn unload kextload .. |
| 17:50.15 | abrotman | Titan8990: it's not |
| 17:50.20 | B4ckBOne | you have to try ;-) |
| 17:50.33 | tdn | B4ckBOne, kextload? |
| 17:50.49 | B4ckBOne | oh wrong channel |
| 17:50.55 | B4ckBOne | rmmod .. insmod |
| 17:50.58 | poisonbit | tdn, modprobe -r also removes the module dependences (as in aptitude) |
| 17:50.59 | karrotx | is there a new stable then etch? |
| 17:51.00 | Titan8990 | abrotman, i'm guessing I need a third party repo? or is there some alternative that works with compiz? |
| 17:51.02 | abrotman | Titan8990: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522935 |
| 17:51.06 | tdn | poisonbit, ok. Thanks. |
| 17:51.14 | abrotman | Titan8990: FIIK, i don't use it, just know it doesn't exist |
| 17:51.37 | Eulex | karrotx, lenny. |
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| 17:52.25 | Titan8990 | abrotman, oh... looking at the description, compiz should be the actual window manager. i get compiz effects when I replace xfwm with compiz but I lack a window manager |
| 17:52.29 | Eulex | karrotx, and FYI, sarge security support ended more than a year ago |
| 17:52.42 | karrotx | Eulex: that's why i'm doing this update |
| 17:52.43 | abrotman | Titan8990: OW! |
| 17:52.48 | Titan8990 | abrotman, there were no significant errors so I figured a lack of emerald was the reason for no window manager |
| 17:52.49 | karrotx | one of the reasons |
| 17:52.50 | Eulex | karrotx, about time :) |
| 17:53.03 | abrotman | Titan8990: uhm .. did you replace it from the console? |
| 17:53.05 | valan | compiz is the window manager |
| 17:53.07 | karrotx | it's hard to mess with a running production mail server |
| 17:53.13 | karrotx | i can't believe i typed the command in the wrong ****ing window |
| 17:53.28 | tdn | sladi, there is nothing in that readme file. I have also looked in the SOUNDCARDS.gz file. But I'm not sure what to look for. If I search for amd, I only get one card and it is not it. |
| 17:53.40 | valan | emerald is just the theme |
| 17:53.49 | abrotman | it's a theme manager IIRC |
| 17:54.04 | valan | no, emerald is the theme |
| 17:54.18 | Eulex | karrotx, if the server still works as expected, I'd suggest leaving it in this state, then complete testing the upgrade path on the test server, then complete the upgrade on the production server |
| 17:54.23 | Titan8990 | is there anything similar to wgetpaste in the standard debian repos? |
| 17:54.29 | karrotx | Eulex: that's what i'm doing |
| 17:54.39 | Titan8990 | where I can pipe a command to pastebin |
| 17:54.55 | poisonbit | pastebinit |
| 17:55.10 | Titan8990 | poisonbit, thanks |
| 17:55.16 | tdn | poisonbit, so when I have removed the module (+ dependencies) with modprobe -r, I reinstall it with modprobe <module> <params> and then the removed dependencies will also be modprobed? |
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| 17:55.39 | poisonbit | yes, modules has dependences for that |
| 17:55.50 | Eulex | I think you're speaking about different things |
| 17:55.54 | poisonbit | modinfo modulename wil say you the dependences of a module |
| 17:56.05 | poisonbit | will |
| 17:56.11 | abrotman | tell |
| 17:56.19 | Eulex | tdn is speaking about modules depending on the one he wants to remove, poisonbit speaks about dependencies of the one tdn wants to remove |
| 17:56.21 | karrotx | *****!!! |
| 17:56.28 | karrotx | now the mail server wont allow email to be sent |
| 17:56.30 | DevNullnDull | im stuck, i need to install libperl5.8 but its dependent one perl-base ver 5.8.8-7etch3, and i have ver 5.8.8-7etch6 installed. What is the best way to fix? |
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| 17:56.39 | tdn | "sudo modprobe snd_cs5535audio ac97_quirk" gave me "FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs5535audio (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/sound/pci/cs5535audio/snd-cs5535audio.ko): Invalid argument" What am I missing? |
| 17:57.01 | rozie | DevNullnDull: force |
| 17:57.19 | DevNullnDull | rozie: just force it? |
| 17:57.30 | Eulex | rozie, DevNullnDull, do NOT force that |
| 17:57.31 | rozie | or change dependencies to >= 5.8.8-7etch3 instead of 5.8.8-7etch3 |
| 17:57.45 | Titan8990 | http://pastebin.com/d15479dd1 <----- log from compiz --replace |
| 17:58.10 | g00se | tdn: You could do worse than start by copying U's mixer settings |
| 17:58.11 | rozie | but first of all, where do you got this libperl5.8 from? |
| 17:58.18 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: what do i do then? |
| 17:58.20 | poisonbit | tdn, try one module at one step, if not, the second module is taked as parameter of the first module |
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| 17:58.26 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, get an appropriate version of libperl5.8. |
| 17:58.36 | poisonbit | as argument |
| 17:58.46 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, the one that has a matching version number. |
| 17:58.57 | DevNullnDull | rozie: i do i change the dependencies? |
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| 17:59.19 | tdn | g00se, already tried. If you mean /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 17:59.27 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, you're not using apt-get to install this, right? any specific reason? |
| 17:59.39 | Eulex | apt-get/aptitude |
| 17:59.46 | tdn | poisonbit, huh? My syntax is wrong? |
| 17:59.58 | sladi | tdn, Sorry try file:///usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-confi... |
| 18:00.02 | Eulex | tdn, modules can take arguments |
| 18:00.18 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: I have only installed from cd, so i only have cdrom sources in my sources.list file? how do i find the package? net search? i guess |
| 18:00.21 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, you do not want to change the dependencies of the package. |
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| 18:00.32 | rozie | DevNullnDull: add security entries, then |
| 18:00.32 | tdn | Eulex, I need to give the module parameters. Is this not what I am doing? |
| 18:00.34 | sladi | td, that dir has some files |
| 18:00.36 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, does the box have network access? |
| 18:00.58 | Eulex | tdn, modprobe <modulename> <moduleparameters> |
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| 18:01.20 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: yes apt-get, and yes it can access the internet |
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| 18:01.33 | Eulex | tdn, ac97_quirk is interpreted as an argument of the first module |
| 18:01.39 | tdn | Eulex, isnt that exactly what I am doing? |
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| 18:01.48 | tdn | Eulex, correct. That is what I am trying to do. |
| 18:02.02 | Eulex | tdn, ah, I'm sorry |
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| 18:02.28 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, get a proper sources.list with http or ftp sources, then just aptitude install libperl5.8 |
| 18:02.35 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: no im trying to install irssi and that need libperl5.8, but that will not install because I have the other version of perl-base |
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| 18:02.46 | poisonbit | tdn, yes, it is in the man page of modprobe, in the description of -r, --remove. for insertion, only one module at invocation |
| 18:02.52 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: I will try |
| 18:02.57 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, you have the 'good' version of perl-base, that's not the problem |
| 18:03.18 | Titan8990 | http://pastebin.com/d15479dd1 <----- compiz effects but no window management, open to ideas |
| 18:03.23 | tdn | poisonbit, then how do I give parameters to the module? |
| 18:03.44 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: edu.. question how do I have the right perl-base but not the right libperl5.8? |
| 18:03.49 | Eulex | !tell DevNullnDull about sources.list |
| 18:04.59 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: i know the sources.list file while now. Problem I have tried using netselect-apt to get a good repo for me but does not work. |
| 18:05.08 | poisonbit | tdn, sorry ac97_quirk IS an argument. forget my words. |
| 18:05.12 | DevNullnDull | what is the process for finding a good source? |
| 18:05.14 | tdn | poisonbit, Eulex: modprobe [-v] [-V] [-C config-file] [-n] [-i] [-q] [-o modulename] [modulename] [module parameters ...] <--- From the man page of modprobe. Isnt this exactly what I am doing? |
| 18:05.16 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, 5.8.8-7etch4 through 5.8.8-7etch6 are security updates, I don't know where you got that perl-base if you only have cd sources, but it's the perl-base you _want_ |
| 18:05.18 | tdn | poisonbit, ok. |
| 18:05.49 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: thank you, that is what i am saying! |
| 18:06.20 | Eulex | tdn, I believe so, I'm sorry, I thought that ac97_quirk was a module |
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| 18:06.29 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: waht what... f... sorry I also have backports in there |
| 18:06.49 | tdn | Eulex, ok. Any idea why I get this error then? |
| 18:06.58 | Eulex | tdn, no, sorry |
| 18:07.07 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, backports won't be used by default anyway, but combining them with just cd sources is a bad idea |
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| 18:07.39 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: why is that a bad idea? |
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| 18:08.35 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, some packages might not be available from the cds (depends which of the cds you have configured, if you have all that's not a problem), and would be installed from backports by default. |
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| 18:10.27 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: yes I have all three dvd's, one update dvd, and then the backports. I used backports to install flashplayer onyl |
| 18:10.30 | Assid | is there a way i can use hdparm to benchmark a cifs mount? |
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| 18:10.48 | abrotman | hdparm isn't really for benchmarking .. or do you mean testing? |
| 18:10.53 | nork | does anyone know where /var/lib/apt/extended_states is used, and what happens if it's not consistent? |
| 18:10.56 | solars | hi can anyone recommend a program to capture skype video? |
| 18:10.56 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: what is the best way to find a good source for etch? |
| 18:11.02 | jelly-home | Assid: no |
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| 18:11.53 | Eulex | devhell, http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org/debian/ is pretty reliable |
| 18:12.08 | tdn | Eulex, poisonbit: when trying to give the module param, I get this in dmesg: [261758.397883] ac97_quirk: string parameter expected |
| 18:12.12 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: thanks |
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| 18:12.31 | tdn | So I guess it should be ac97_quirk=<something>, right? But how do I find out what? |
| 18:12.44 | Eulex | tdn, perhaps true, or on? |
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| 18:12.55 | abrotman | on ? |
| 18:12.56 | Eulex | been an awful long time since I had to mess with module params |
| 18:12.59 | tdn | Eulex, it should be a string? |
| 18:13.02 | tdn | Oh! |
| 18:13.15 | Eulex | tdn, it can be. |
| 18:13.21 | tdn | dmesg says: [261846.153945] applying quirk type on failed (-22) |
| 18:13.25 | tdn | with on |
| 18:13.29 | Eulex | perhaps 1 |
| 18:13.32 | Eulex | as opposed to 0 |
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| 18:13.54 | poisonbit | tdn, it is a param of type 'charp'. I don't know wath this mean, but maybe the param needs something more |
| 18:14.15 | tdn | poisonbit, I think it means char pointer, ie. string. |
| 18:14.29 | tdn | poisonbit, 1 seemed to work. No errors. Now to check if it made the sound work. |
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| 18:14.44 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: thanks that fixed my problem. |
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| 18:15.05 | DevNullnDull | Im still on the fence about how to find a good source? |
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| 18:15.47 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org is usually good enough |
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| 18:16.09 | DevNullnDull | Is there are way to know were a package was installed from? |
| 18:16.23 | luke3321 | I use ftp.us.debiab.org. It is amazing. I can pull 600-900 kbps from it |
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| 18:16.32 | yaaar | howdy |
| 18:16.56 | amphi_ | DevNullnDull: apt-cache policy <package_name> |
| 18:16.57 | DevNullnDull | Eulex: I hear you. have you used netselect-apt before? |
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| 18:17.39 | tdn | Still no sound in right speaker. |
| 18:17.44 | macrobat | DevNullnDull: i guess you can set sources to different priorities in apt.preferences, then use apt-cache policy <pkg> to see the priority |
| 18:17.46 | DevNullnDull | amphi_: your the man. |
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| 18:18.02 | tdn | abrotman, I tried the quirk module parameter. No difference in the sound :/ |
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| 18:18.12 | yaaar | is the default install of lenny not able to send mail from local accounts? I'm doing something like echo stuff | mail -s "subject" me@domain.com and nothing happens and i don't see anything in the logs |
| 18:18.15 | DevNullnDull | i got perl-base from the backports. I dont remember doing that, btf |
| 18:18.33 | yaaar | anybody know if there's something else i have to setup for that? |
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| 18:18.45 | Eulex | DevNullnDull, nope, I believe i used apt-spy once |
| 18:18.53 | yaaar | exim is running, and the links are there from /usr/sbin/sendmail and /usr/lib/sendmail... |
| 18:19.09 | DevNullnDull | macrobat: i dont have a .preferences file, is there an easy way to create one? |
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| 18:19.27 | macrobat | with your favourite editor |
| 18:19.40 | DevNullnDull | macrobat: I read the man page on it. not something I want to do by hand just yet. |
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| 18:19.59 | macrobat | you can google pinning |
| 18:20.19 | abrotman | tdn: it was just something to try .. |
| 18:20.19 | DevNullnDull | i'l try later. thasnks |
| 18:20.30 | abrotman | tdn: did you end up trying the .29/.30 kernels in backports.org ? |
| 18:20.33 | sladi | tdn, I'd try an application which shows a stereo volume meter |
| 18:20.48 | tdn | sladi, like which one? |
| 18:20.50 | macrobat | i dont think you will need to see what source a pkg is from very often |
| 18:20.50 | poisonbit | yaaar, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:21.03 | tdn | abrotman, no, I did not try that. |
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| 18:21.32 | tdn | abrotman, I also think it should be strange if it worked well with an older kernel and then stopped working in a much newer one in Lenny. |
| 18:21.34 | yaaar | poisonbit: awesome, thanks a bunch |
| 18:21.43 | sladi | tdn, maybe sweep, pulseaudio has a vumeter |
| 18:21.47 | abrotman | tdn: software can have regressions |
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| 18:22.31 | tdn | abrotman, yes. Of course. But I think that I might have had the same problem in Ubuntu back then, but that it was fixed with alsamixer by a friend of mine. |
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| 18:23.27 | sladi | tdn, then try it, open alsamixer or alsamixergui and change th available options :) |
| 18:23.28 | tdn | sladi, sweep is an X program. I would really not like to install X on this. It is a very little machine. |
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| 18:23.59 | tdn | sladi, I did. |
| 18:24.11 | tdn | sladi, I think I have changed everyting in there by now :( |
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| 18:24.19 | tdn | Starting to become desperate. |
| 18:24.24 | faffi | So my kde upgraded to 4.2, how do i downgrade back to 3.5 |
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| 18:25.45 | daffidity | hi. I am trying (and failing) to get a pair of usb logitech speakers working on lenny. |
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| 18:26.43 | faffi | daffidity: need more information if you want help |
| 18:26.47 | faffi | :) |
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| 18:27.54 | daffidity | faffi: I have a toshiba satellite pro l300-292 laptop. Debian detects the speakers in System>preferences>sound |
| 18:28.17 | justin | daffidity: i'm sure that technically debian is detecting the sound card |
| 18:28.35 | faffi | daffidity: the speakers wouldnt be the problem you just plug the 3.5 jack in... has your sound worked before? |
| 18:28.44 | justin | daffidity: ooh, USB? |
| 18:28.50 | daffidity | I set all the sound to go to my usb speakers. The "Test button works fine |
| 18:28.51 | justin | daffidity: i have a logitech usb headset, it works great |
| 18:28.59 | daffidity | justin: yes usb |
| 18:29.00 | faffi | ah |
| 18:29.10 | daffidity | and I have gotten them to work before under ubuntu |
| 18:29.13 | faffi | daffidity: dmesg says it was recognized? |
| 18:29.14 | justin | daffidity: to make it easy I did blacklist the internal sound card module so that the system only has one sound card |
| 18:29.20 | daffidity | now got debian (:-)) |
| 18:29.47 | daffidity | faffi: yes they are listed in dmesg |
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| 18:31.18 | daffidity | !paste |
| 18:31.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 18:32.15 | daffidity | http://paste.debian.net/41364/ is the output of my dmesg |
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| 18:33.38 | justin | daffidity: what does cat /proc/asound/card show? |
| 18:34.20 | tdn | I am running speaker test. When I, in alsamixer, set Out3 LR Mux to Headphone Mix, I only hear a voice saying "right, ..., right, ..., right" whereas if I set Out3 LR Mux to Master Mix, I hear "left, front, right, front, left, front, right, front, ..." |
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| 18:35.04 | tdn | abrotman, g00se, poisonbit: do you know if this ^ can have anything to do with my sound problem? |
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| 18:35.23 | daffidity | justin: http://paste.debian.net/41366/ I don't know what all those ? are! |
| 18:35.55 | justin | yeah, mine shows up as USB-Audio - Logitech USB Headset\nLogitech Logitech USB Headset at usb-0000:00:1d.2-2, full speed |
| 18:36.41 | daffidity | justin : btw my debian on my laptop has acpi issues (like the fan not working). do you think it might be related? |
| 18:37.07 | daffidity | the fan not working is another problem I have but let's deal with that one later |
| 18:37.18 | justin | daffidity: nah |
| 18:37.24 | daffidity | k |
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| 18:38.44 | poisonbit | tdn, it seems to be the same behavior than in your problem, doesn't ? |
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| 18:41.14 | afdadsfa | hello |
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| 18:42.14 | poisonbit | hello |
| 18:42.15 | afdadsfa | hey BSDDeepa |
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| 18:43.27 | luckz | I need a commandline SVN client other than the one included with subversion. |
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| 18:43.58 | azeem | luckz: why? |
| 18:44.35 | luckz | azeem: because 'svn co' does not work, claims some issues connecting, and I'd like a 'second opinion' |
| 18:45.33 | azeem | I suggest looking for a problem on either your or the remote side first |
| 18:45.33 | azeem | before you blame the client |
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| 18:45.33 | daffidity | justin: any ideas for my speakers? |
| 18:45.33 | abrotman | tdn: no, i do not |
| 18:45.34 | cizzi | is there a website that specializes in linux jobs for canada? |
| 18:45.39 | cizzi | google doesnt turn up anything |
| 18:45.47 | azeem | cizzi: please ask elsewhere |
| 18:45.52 | luckz | azeem: it works on my other system |
| 18:46.09 | azeem | luckz: using what client? |
| 18:46.15 | cizzi | azeem - sure thing buddy |
| 18:46.17 | luckz | azeem: same client, subversion's svn |
| 18:46.21 | dimir | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/pro.mspx |
| 18:46.25 | luckz | both are debian |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | dimir: wrong channel |
| 18:46.32 | luckz | I guess the one that works is an older subversion version |
| 18:46.59 | azeem | luckz: so either downgrade, or figure out what is different otherwise between the two boxen (network?) |
| 18:47.29 | luckz | well the one that has issues can access the *website* that houses the SVN via links. |
| 18:47.43 | luckz | does subversion need any extra packages to manage https? :/ |
| 18:47.49 | luckz | it just errors out instantly |
| 18:47.50 | poisonbit | luckz, if you have conection to the server, it seems a DNS problem. svn caches the url of the repo. with any client |
| 18:48.24 | azeem | luckz: it might help if you pastebinned the error message |
| 18:48.28 | luckz | ping and links and all those manage to DNS-resolve just fine. |
| 18:48.29 | nsadmin | luckz: with what message |
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| 18:48.49 | luckz | "svn: OPTIONS of [..] could not connect to server [..]" |
| 18:49.07 | nsadmin | woudl that be the exact complete text? |
| 18:49.10 | azeem | "the error message" |
| 18:49.17 | azeem | not the executive summary of it |
| 18:49.31 | poisonbit | can you try a clean checkout in a clean folder (without .svn dirs) |
| 18:49.39 | BSDeepa | I just installed grub2, how do I get it to output to serial? |
| 18:50.14 | azeem | BSDeepa: better ask in #grub I guess |
| 18:50.30 | adb | BSDeepa: please don't cross paste |
| 18:50.40 | BSDeepa | I did, they never answer when I have questions not about the numbering |
| 18:50.41 | nsadmin | luckz: you need to get better at supplying complete information... if you practice it now, it might be possible for someone to help you now |
| 18:50.42 | Floops[w] | setting up debain and a PDC |
| 18:50.47 | luckz | poisonbit: I didn't manage the checkout once, so.. it'd be clean. I deleted the .subversion folder but that did not impress it |
| 18:50.57 | Floops[w] | is there good step by step doc for this |
| 18:51.20 | luckz | nsadmin: okay. I run "svn co https://freetzlinux.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/freetzlinux/trunk/speed-to-fritz speed-to-fritz" and that results in "svn: OPTIONS of 'https://freetzlinux.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/freetzlinux/trunk/speed-to-fritz': could not connect to server (https://freetzlinux.svn.sourceforge.net)" |
| 18:51.49 | azeem | luckz: did you delete the ~/.subversion folder? |
| 18:51.52 | luckz | yes I did |
| 18:51.54 | luckz | nothing changed |
| 18:51.55 | azeem | or the .svn folder in the current directory |
| 18:51.56 | azeem | ok |
| 18:52.05 | luckz | the current directory is ~ :) |
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| 18:52.35 | nsadmin | there ya go :) when others have more information, they're in a better position to help |
| 18:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Floops[w], http://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController ? |
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| 18:54.02 | Floops[w] | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 18:54.05 | Floops[w] | i will read |
| 18:54.15 | poisonbit | luckz, same command works here, in lenny with only 'subversion' as related package |
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| 18:54.44 | poisonbit | i only did one aditional step (for cleaning): mkdir test ; cd test |
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| 18:55.15 | luckz | as I said, it works for me on one system, but not on the other |
| 18:55.40 | luckz | sadly the files get me very little on a remote computer, and I need them physically here :P |
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| 18:57.14 | bviktor | hi |
| 18:57.31 | bviktor | any convenient way to make a deb package for the latest 64 bit jdk? |
| 18:57.50 | bviktor | make-jpkg will say "No matching plugin was found." |
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| 18:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckz, well, CAN you connect to the server? |
| 19:00.31 | poisonbit | luckz, that server runs version 1.5.3 (r33570) of svn. If your client is 1.4 and they have upgraded the repo to 1.5 format, may be you can't commit |
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| 19:01.06 | luckz | CutMeOwnThroat: I can connect to https://freetzlinux.svn.sourceforge.net via a browser. |
| 19:01.37 | luckz | svn 1.5.6 is the one that does not work, svn 1.5.1 is the one that works |
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| 19:02.55 | unknown` | will the new os use debian? |
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| 19:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions subersion |
| 19:03.35 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: subersion -- |
| 19:03.42 | wizL | does anyone know how to fix: "unable to enumerate usb on port X" ? |
| 19:03.46 | luckz | judd, versions subversion |
| 19:03.47 | judd | luckz: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.6dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 |
| 19:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions subversion |
| 19:06.05 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.6dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.5.6dfsg-1 experimental: 1.6.1dfsg-1 |
| 19:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell of an invisible typo... |
| 19:06.28 | macrobat2 | *command |
| 19:06.31 | macrobat2 | nvm |
| 19:06.38 | bbelt16ag | hi peps |
| 19:06.41 | bbelt16ag | peeps |
| 19:06.58 | bbelt16ag | what group do you gotta be in to get read/write for usbfs on debian lenny 5.0? |
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| 19:07.08 | luckz | so anyway, using squeeze on said system. |
| 19:07.14 | luckz | hence the 1.5.6 svn |
| 19:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckz, so what you're telling us REALLY, is, how amazed you are that something doesn't work in sid |
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| 19:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | bbelt16ag, is this a trick question? |
| 19:09.27 | paulfm | can someone please tell me how I find the size of an unmounted disk.. on the command line? |
| 19:10.01 | paulfm | well size umnounted partition that is to say... and the while device ideally |
| 19:10.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | luckz, ... or squeeze as things may be... - but as you see there's a version one patchlevel higher in sid - check the bts, perhaps that was what had to be patched |
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| 19:10.21 | paulfm | and by while I mean whole ... sorry |
| 19:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | paulfm, fdisk -l |
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| 19:10.54 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: now why didnt I think of that.. youre a genius.. Im not.. trying now |
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| 19:11.43 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: any chance you know how I find model of unmounted block device? |
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| 19:11.59 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: fdisk -l /dev/sda1 worked perfectly of course |
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| 19:12.06 | bbelt16ag | no i am trying to get vbox usb support to work |
| 19:12.33 | eplawless | I have a question about packaging .deb files. I cannot seem to get a binary package to work |
| 19:12.44 | poisonbit | paulfm, lshw, will give you also the serial number |
| 19:12.46 | bbelt16ag | it says i need to be in a usbusers groups that didnt exsist |
| 19:13.02 | tdn | poisonbit, I'm not sure what you mean. But I am still only hearing sound through the left speaker. |
| 19:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell paulfm -about whats my hardware |
| 19:13.19 | paulfm | poisonbit: thanks - that sounds good... trying |
| 19:13.37 | NicoOOoOo | what is the cmd for know the latest command type on the shell please ? |
| 19:13.50 | paulfm | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 19:13.52 | poisonbit | NicoOOoOo, history |
| 19:14.15 | NicoOOoOo | no an other cmd, just show the latest |
| 19:14.19 | bbelt16ag | ok i see mor einfo.. going to look some more |
| 19:14.30 | poisonbit | NicoOOoOo, press the 'up' arrow |
| 19:14.42 | NicoOOoOo | yep but I want show in conky |
| 19:15.05 | lelu | how do i setup iptables to drop all incoming on 222.32.0.0 netmask 222.63.255.255 |
| 19:15.15 | poisonbit | history | tail -1 ? |
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| 19:16.56 | NicoOOoOo | yes it's ok |
| 19:17.04 | poisonbit | lelu, iptables -I INPUT -s 222.32.0.0/24 -j DROP ; iptables -I FORWARD -s 222.32.0.0/24 -j DROP |
| 19:17.05 | NicoOOoOo | but a cmd make this I things |
| 19:17.32 | lelu | poisonbit: thanks, the chinese have been attacking the server a solid three days this should fix it :) |
| 19:17.36 | poisonbit | man -k history there is not cmd in debian without man page |
| 19:18.39 | lelu | poisonbit: will that command set the netmask as well? |
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| 19:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | poisonbit, history is a bash internal... "help history" |
| 19:19.15 | poisonbit | lelu, ipcalc 222.32.0.0 222.63.255.255 gives me 222.32.0.0/24 as network |
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| 19:20.12 | hugo_ | can i make netselect-apt add updates and volatile repos to sources.list? |
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| 19:20.37 | jamon | so which is better for dos/ddos, DROP or REJECT? |
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| 19:21.34 | abrotman | hugo_: you can do that manually if it doesn't |
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| 19:21.51 | abrotman | jamon: which involves less traffic ? |
| 19:22.03 | abrotman | (though a DDoS really doesn't care) |
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| 19:22.19 | lelu | poisonbit: ok, i shall give that a go |
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| 19:22.48 | poisonbit | lelu, to do from 222.32.0.1 to 222.32.63.254 you will need /18 |
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| 19:22.56 | poisonbit | 222.32.0.0/18 |
| 19:23.11 | jamon | abrotman: i suppose i should give dos/ddos tool writers some credit that they'd break their tcp stack and ignore rejects |
| 19:23.13 | hugo_ | abrotman: what is the updates for? |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | hugo_: which updates ? |
| 19:23.28 | hikenboot | I can't seem to find any locations on google that allows use of an internet cluster for speeding up kernel compilation using distcc...anyone know of any? |
| 19:23.35 | abrotman | hugo_: security or proposed? |
| 19:23.42 | hugo_ | abrotman: like, stable/updates |
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| 19:24.15 | abrotman | hugo_: those are your security updates .. like "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
| 19:24.18 | abrotman | or whatever you're using |
| 19:25.37 | abrotman | hugo_: if you're using lenny .. you would want "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" |
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| 19:27.23 | hugo_ | abrotman: why doesn't netselect-apt add that security repo? |
| 19:27.40 | abrotman | i don't use it .. no idea .. |
| 19:27.42 | andyb | hi, I'm having some trouble with apt-get not finding packages |
| 19:27.50 | abrotman | andyb: such as ? |
| 19:27.56 | andyb | ruby 1.8 |
| 19:28.03 | abrotman | in which version of debian ? |
| 19:28.08 | andyb | lenny |
| 19:28.12 | hugo_ | abrotman: how do you setup your sources.list then? |
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| 19:28.28 | abrotman | andyb: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:28.32 | abrotman | hugo_: with a text editor |
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| 19:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jamon, they really don't need to - they're distributed so it's like being mugged by several guys... if you hit back they will still suffer much less |
| 19:29.22 | hugo_ | abrotman: how do you know the right mirror for you? |
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| 19:29.31 | abrotman | hugo_: 'the right mirror' ? |
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| 19:30.40 | hugo_ | abrotman: fast repos for you |
| 19:30.54 | abrotman | hugo_: most of them have more bandwidth than me .. |
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| 19:31.26 | abrotman | hugo_: it's pretty rare that i'm installing 100s of MBs of packages |
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| 19:33.27 | abrotman | hugo_: i'd just go to debian.org/mirrors/list and pick one in my country .. and if i were in .jp .. i might pick ftp.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp |
| 19:34.06 | adama_ | hugo_: /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 19:34.17 | abrotman | adama_: netselect-apt is basicaly the same thing |
| 19:34.29 | abrotman | judd: info netselect-apt --release lenny |
| 19:34.30 | judd | abrotman: netselect-apt (net): is optional; Version: 0.3.ds1-12.1; Size: 9.2k; Installed: 20k -- Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect |
| 19:35.00 | adama_ | never heard of it, never used either one... |
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| 19:36.54 | andyb | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d313725a5 |
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| 19:40.08 | imachine | hello |
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| 19:40.30 | imachine | I was wondering, I plan on setting up a hotswap SATA debian server, with RAID. |
| 19:40.38 | imachine | however, I am forced to run software raid ;/ |
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| 19:40.45 | wald0 | grep -Rne POST /var/log/apache*/* | grep -i ":31204" |
| 19:40.50 | wald0 | WTF is that? anybody has the same problem ? two friends of mine has this problem too |
| 19:40.50 | imachine | is tehre some way to automate it, with SATA2's AHCI abilities? |
| 19:41.05 | wald0 | following my friend, there's somebody that has hacked on the computer by using a port/proxy |
| 19:41.26 | imachine | what I want to achieve is having mdadm properly setup the arrays, when I plug in/plug out devices. |
| 19:41.31 | imachine | so I won't have to do so manually. |
| 19:41.46 | imachine | no biggie really, I can always log in and makr the arrays as faulty and remove them using mdadm. |
| 19:41.55 | imachine | but I'd like something semi-automatic, resembling a hardware raid controller. |
| 19:42.26 | imachine | I can purchase standard 5,25' hotswap bays, fitting a normal atx case. |
| 19:42.43 | imachine | and ahci supports hotswap -or so I'm told (haven't tried hotswapping as of yet) |
| 19:43.06 | imachine | any ideas, solutions, suggestions (where I may read about stuff is just as cool too) heartly welcome :-) |
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| 19:45.15 | devhell | can someone recomend a really fast and powerfull imageviewer? I am running xmonad so I'd rather stick to something simple.. |
| 19:45.56 | dondelelcaro | devhell: feh |
| 19:46.31 | imachine | I tried feh a long time ago, for a little while, seemed okay. |
| 19:46.37 | imachine | real simple too. |
| 19:46.39 | Eulex | devhell, qiv |
| 19:46.43 | wald0 | can somebody tell me if has also results with this command? grep -Rne POST /var/log/apache*/* | grep -i ":31204" |
| 19:46.57 | bbelt16ag | help! |
| 19:46.59 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.04 | bbelt16ag | i need to modify the udev rule that mount /proc/bus/usb to mount it root:vboxusers 664 |
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| 19:47.22 | imachine | qiv looks hardcore :-) |
| 19:47.23 | bbelt16ag | does anybody know how to do that never done it before ever. |
| 19:47.38 | devhell | dondelelcaro, Eulex: thanks guys I'll try those! much appreciated! |
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| 19:47.56 | Eulex | qiv -fi rules! |
| 19:48.18 | imachine | wald0, none over here no. |
| 19:48.27 | imachine | wald0, I think that port is some proxy, ambient port. |
| 19:48.38 | Eulex | if only it had had high-quality down-scaling, it would be all that you ever needed... |
| 19:48.49 | imachine | dunno what're your're greping for tho, havent' looked at the logs. |
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| 19:49.08 | imachine | Eulex, I don't know, I run GNOME -,- |
| 19:49.25 | imachine | tho I've ran fluxbox for years back on slack! |
| 19:49.31 | devhell | Eulex: thanks man, I'll try! cheers! |
| 19:49.33 | imachine | just to not sound totally oblivious |
| 19:49.33 | imachine | ;-P |
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| 19:50.06 | imachine | so, anyone has any ideas about my raid automation issue? |
| 19:50.18 | Eulex | imachine, :) |
| 19:51.27 | dondelelcaro | imachine: you'd still have to mark the drives as a spare, or similar |
| 19:51.55 | imachine | dondelelcaro, yes, but I was wondering, if it's possible to maybe get some script do that for me. |
| 19:52.12 | imachine | just wondering about what to call the script upon, i.e., would say udev be a good place to look for events? |
| 19:52.23 | imachine | I was thinking about some udev automation |
| 19:52.31 | imachine | that would call a script upon insertion of a device. |
| 19:52.54 | imachine | that's actually kind of simple. the hard part would be ejecting a device, as I'm not sure that would work too well... |
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| 19:53.09 | poisonbit | is in lenny any way to put a image as tty background ? |
| 19:53.19 | imachine | ideally, I would need the system to monitor the harddisk for it's health, and if something would be about to fail, mail me about it and mark the device as faulty. |
| 19:53.24 | imachine | I was thinking SMART here. |
| 19:53.32 | imachine | (smart as in S.M.A.R.T.) |
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| 19:54.25 | dondelelcaro | poisonbit: not on a tty, no |
| 19:54.32 | Laird | BAH BAH BAH YOU SUCK |
| 19:54.33 | Laird | BYE |
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| 19:54.49 | Laird | HAR HAR |
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| 19:55.30 | imachine | was taht a test? ;-) |
| 19:55.30 | imachine | ;p |
| 19:55.33 | poisonbit | so we've loose that bootsplash posibility... |
| 19:56.39 | imachine | another "problem" I might've run into would be swap. |
| 19:56.48 | dondelelcaro | poisonbit: you can have bootsplash, but that's not a tty. It's an fbdev device |
| 19:56.49 | imachine | running swap on raid1 arrays seems... pointless. |
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| 19:57.01 | imachine | so I've created /dev/sdX1-4 |
| 19:57.20 | imachine | and I have /dev/md1-3 pointing to /dev/sdX1-4 |
| 19:57.28 | imachine | and /dev/sdX3 mounted as swap |
| 19:57.37 | imachine | but that's not helping the hotswapping part ;-p |
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| 19:57.56 | imachine | I could just have swapoff run on ejection... |
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| 19:58.09 | imachine | but like I said above,I'm still not fully clear on how I'd have the ejection work out. |
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| 19:58.34 | imachine | so far I guess I'll just have 3 hds and have one as a spare ;-p for safety |
| 19:59.11 | imachine | tho that's not fully great either - and arises more questions - for ideally, I'd have the 3rd HD in sleep mode all the time, and woken up when needed. |
| 19:59.17 | imachine | that's probably possible tho no? |
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| 20:05.50 | bbelt16ag | anybody know how to fix the usb support for vbox in lenny 5.0? |
| 20:05.54 | bbelt16ag | its not working atm for me. |
| 20:06.10 | ranix | !anyone |
| 20:06.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:06.12 | ranix | !not working |
| 20:06.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 20:06.34 | debayan | !dpkg sux |
| 20:06.34 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 20:07.00 | bbelt16ag | i was wondering if there are any issues with it? |
| 20:07.04 | bbelt16ag | geesh |
| 20:07.11 | ranix | then check the bug reports |
| 20:07.13 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/1488783 < wold anyone know how to fix this |
| 20:07.52 | craigevil | bbelt16ag: use the non-free one |
| 20:08.06 | ranix | sh segfaulted? |
| 20:08.07 | abrotman | Sashi: ask the rtorrent people |
| 20:08.23 | ranix | how did the rtorrent people even pull that off |
| 20:08.35 | abrotman | Sashi: their program probably shouldn't segfault like that |
| 20:08.44 | bbelt16ag | i am craigevil |
| 20:08.53 | ranix | it's not even their program, it's compiling their program |
| 20:08.54 | abrotman | though compiling as root might not be the best idea either |
| 20:09.00 | ranix | oh wait |
| 20:09.08 | ranix | genmtab is the program that segfaulted |
| 20:09.11 | abrotman | ranix: the line that crashes is a program of some kind |
| 20:09.27 | hark | bbelt16ag: usb support is only in the non-free versions |
| 20:09.49 | bbelt16ag | hark: i know that that is what i am using. |
| 20:10.03 | hark | then ask #vbox |
| 20:10.06 | bbelt16ag | and something is amiss says my usb disk is unavilabe |
| 20:10.07 | bbelt16ag | i did |
| 20:10.07 | Sashi | abrotman: its actually xmlrpc |
| 20:10.24 | bbelt16ag | i came here searching for answers after a hour or so talking to them and they cant figure itout. |
| 20:10.36 | ranix | why is rtorrent bundling libexpat |
| 20:10.42 | ranix | that's dynamically linkable |
| 20:10.50 | bbelt16ag | though it was a udev permission problem but the setting seeming right |
| 20:10.50 | Sashi | ranix: its xmlrpc |
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| 20:11.08 | ranix | same deal |
| 20:11.17 | ranix | xmlrpc shouldn't be statically linking something like expat |
| 20:11.18 | bbelt16ag | guess i'll be syncing my ipod from a real machine still sigh |
| 20:11.26 | MalaFide | Sashi,are you overclocking? |
| 20:11.30 | Sashi | no |
| 20:11.36 | Sashi | lol |
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| 20:12.35 | MalaFide | bbelt16ag,where did you get your vbox version? |
| 20:12.40 | ranix | why are you compiling rtorrent anyway |
| 20:12.43 | abrotman | Sashi: and why are you compiling it at all ? |
| 20:12.59 | ranix | abrotman: hivemind high-five! |
| 20:13.01 | Sashi | because rtorrent is outdated in debs repos |
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| 20:13.19 | bbelt16ag | i believe i downloaded it from the sit |
| 20:13.21 | abrotman | Sashi: that's not really a good answer .. which feature do you need that it doesn't have ? |
| 20:13.28 | ranix | probably for a good reason, rtorrent has poor upstream reliability |
| 20:13.33 | MalaFide | judd version rtorrent |
| 20:13.37 | ranix | versions |
| 20:13.44 | bbelt16ag | i like transmission personally |
| 20:13.45 | MalaFide | judd versions rtorrent |
| 20:13.45 | judd | MalaFide: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.4+tit-4 squeeze: 0.8.4+tit-4 |
| 20:13.49 | bbelt16ag | got a gui and everything |
| 20:14.13 | ranix | I prefer bittornado |
| 20:14.24 | bbelt16ag | i did too at one point |
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| 20:14.34 | ranix | torrentflux overcomes its limitations |
| 20:14.34 | bbelt16ag | but i got tired of killiing my process to change settings |
| 20:14.47 | ranix | yeah, I use a script to do that |
| 20:15.01 | ranix | I might change if I have to rebuild my system |
| 20:15.27 | Sashi | and... |
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| 20:15.54 | Sashi | suggesting something else rather than fixing it, is also not a good answer |
| 20:15.55 | bbelt16ag | i now |
| 20:16.05 | bbelt16ag | just suggesting |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | Sashi: but why od you *need* the newer version ? |
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| 20:16.39 | ranix | Sashi: "I'm building it from source because it's outdated" is a primary indicator of something being wrong between the keyboard and the chair |
| 20:17.03 | ranix | not to be condescending, it *should* be buildable, yes, but that question is asked for support reasons |
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| 20:35.26 | hugo | what virtual machine solution do you use on debian? any recommendations? |
| 20:35.38 | lazynes | VB |
| 20:35.47 | debayan | hugo, kvm+qemu ? |
| 20:35.51 | bzed | hugo: depends on what you need, wither virtualbox or kvm |
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| 20:35.58 | action09 | yes virtualbox rox |
| 20:35.59 | bzed | s/w/e/ |
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| 20:36.48 | VARGAS | TEM ALGUM BRASILEIRO AI |
| 20:36.58 | Eulex | !br |
| 20:36.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:37.28 | hugo | debayan, bzed . well i need a vm for making it possible to create test environment as easy as possible |
| 20:37.47 | bzed | hugo: virtualbox is probably more easy to use than kvm |
| 20:37.52 | hugo | debayan, bzed : mostly due to porting works. |
| 20:37.59 | bzed | as it privdes some nice gui stuff and so... |
| 20:38.10 | hugo | bzed: how about xen? |
| 20:38.31 | bzed | you wanted something easy, right? |
| 20:38.50 | hugo | bzed: yeah, just as if making a directory |
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| 20:40.15 | hugo | bzed: i don't use gui stuff |
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| 20:40.52 | hugo | everything i do things is in a terminal |
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| 20:41.36 | cantoma | hugo, can you pee in a terminal? |
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| 20:42.18 | hugo | ha |
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| 20:44.22 | tryfan | Hi all, I'm trying to re-compile openssh 5.1 from lenny on sarge (yeah, I know it sucks) and when I run dpkg-buildpackage, it returns a bunch of "dirent.h present but cannot be compiled" among other header files. Running a straight ./configure from the build directory yields no errors at all |
| 20:45.16 | tryfan | I think dpkg-buildpackage is trying to use headers out of /usr/include/linux and it should be using /usr/include, but I'm not sure. |
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| 20:56.12 | kenjy | hi guys, In finally download a debian mirror with apt-mirror, but while finishing it shows apt-mirror: can't open clean script file at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 539. |
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| 20:56.38 | kenjy | but the problem its that /var/spool/apt-mirror/var/clean.sh: empty |
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| 20:57.14 | kenjy | what can I do? how can I clean the mirror if the script its empty |
| 20:57.19 | kenjy | ? |
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| 21:00.52 | smokes | hey, ajavid, you live? |
| 21:01.00 | ajavid | not right now |
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| 21:01.17 | ajavid | I'm fixing a broken firefox extention called NetVideoHunter on irc.mozilla.org #extdev |
| 21:01.21 | ajavid | join there or be toast! |
| 21:01.29 | smokes | too bad |
| 21:02.03 | smokes | schrodienburg's toast? |
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| 21:02.47 | smokes | sic, y'know the kind that always lands on the butter side |
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| 21:04.04 | smokes | gotta get my deb install corrected, if someone's up to it |
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| 21:05.54 | smokes | hell, I'll come back around later, when there is more interest |
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| 21:07.59 | kenjy | stew: are you there? |
| 21:08.25 | stew | for like a minute |
| 21:08.31 | stew | becuase its bike riding time |
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| 21:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, you don't by chance live in the same region as abrotman, do you? |
| 21:14.48 | g00se | stew: push or Harley? |
| 21:15.31 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: we're about 80 miles apart |
| 21:15.39 | stew | g00se: i'll be pedaling |
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| 21:16.27 | g00se | stew: That's good. Me too |
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| 21:17.01 | Triumph | How come in debian sid, always breaks? |
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| 21:17.25 | stew | Triumph: becuase pacakges are uploaded to it daily which have gotten little to no testing |
| 21:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hehe... bit far to go biking together... you might both bike to the middle, though :) |
| 21:17.46 | Triumph | stew would squeeze be better then? |
| 21:17.52 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if its cool enough for me to be biking, its too cool for him |
| 21:17.55 | stew | Triumph: yes |
| 21:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 21:18.11 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: he won't go biking unless its 25C or he gets too cold |
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| 21:20.48 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the default mechanism for blocking a bruteforce attack? |
| 21:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems today's your day he just said he wants to go in #d-ot |
| 21:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | DDOS? |
| 21:21.30 | bassliner | i think he means dictionary based ssh brute force attacks |
| 21:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | have as much bandwidth as your 100000 attackers together :) |
| 21:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: no - multiple attempts from one place |
| 21:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | fail2ban? |
| 21:22.05 | jpinx-eeepc | bassliner: yea - probbaly dict attack - not sure at the moment |
| 21:22.13 | bassliner | jpinx-eeepc: use the MaxStartups option of sshd_config :) |
| 21:22.45 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm looking for the default setting for this in lenny - assuming lenny has a default for this |
| 21:23.29 | enouf | pedal? what's that? :-p |
| 21:23.44 | enouf | gun it marge! |
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| 21:24.27 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: fail2ban does'nt appear to be in lenny by default |
| 21:24.38 | g00se | It isn't |
| 21:24.39 | enouf | why not? |
| 21:24.47 | enouf | use denyhosts then perhaps |
| 21:25.00 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: I'm looking for the default setting for this in lenny - assuming lenny has a default for this |
| 21:25.12 | enouf | for what? |
| 21:25.24 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the default mechanism for blocking a bruteforce attack? |
| 21:25.29 | enouf | "this" isn't a package name that i recognize |
| 21:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, what? |
| 21:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions fail2ban |
| 21:25.58 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: fail2ban -- etch: 0.7.5-2etch1 etch-security: 0.7.5-2etch1 etch-backports: 0.8.3-1~bpo40+1 sid: 0.8.3-2 lenny: 0.8.3-2sid1 sid: 0.8.3-2sid1 squeeze: 0.8.3-2sid1 experimental: 0.8.3-5 |
| 21:25.58 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: probably denyhosts and dirmgr, not certain about lenny |
| 21:26.08 | g00se | /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 21:26.33 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: default? are you implying iptables? |
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| 21:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in everything from etch to sid |
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| 21:26.55 | jpinx-eeepc | there doesn't appear to be a default protection installed with a lenny system |
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| 21:27.05 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you're mad |
| 21:27.07 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not installed by default |
| 21:27.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 21:27.16 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 21:27.17 | jpinx-eeepc | that's a given enouf |
| 21:27.29 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: welcome to the club ;-) |
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| 21:27.54 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - let me rephrase - I am trying to find what protection lenny has in it's default installed state |
| 21:28.17 | jpinx-eeepc | atm - it appears to be bugger all:( |
| 21:28.26 | itsosimpo | hello i'm having trouble setting up a virtualbox to boot other os installed on my pc |
| 21:28.42 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: welcome to freedom |
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| 21:28.57 | g00se | jpinx-eeepc: None. cat /etc/hosts.deny |
| 21:29.17 | itsosimpo | virtual box is not finding the partition |
| 21:29.21 | jpinx-eeepc | g00se: yea - default is zilch:( |
| 21:29.29 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you want default anything? go see those proprietary vendors, they have big plans for you .. via default :-P |
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| 21:29.40 | zmitya | hi all |
| 21:29.59 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: now *you're* mad :) |
| 21:29.59 | g00se | jpinx-eeepc: You're probably trying to bolt the wrong door |
| 21:30.04 | zmitya | guys, can I get the SVN server to listen on multiple ports somehow ? |
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| 21:30.13 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: as hard as this may seem to stomach, not everybody using linux should be ;-) |
| 21:30.14 | jpinx-eeepc | g00se: ok but which door then? |
| 21:30.17 | zmitya | I run svnserve in daemon mode |
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| 21:30.37 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: maybe not - but it sure as hell helps:) |
| 21:30.49 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: ... |
| 21:31.05 | gribozavr | zmitya: don't know anything about svn server, but you can do that with iptables ;) |
| 21:31.10 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: one man's _features_ are another man's bloat |
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| 21:31.25 | jpinx-eeepc | g00se: I can see multiple ways of closing doors, hosts.deny, sshd_config, pam |
| 21:31.31 | enouf | logs that to bash.org :-P |
| 21:31.40 | zmitya | gribozavr: you mean PRETOUTE it to localhost ? |
| 21:31.47 | g00se | jpinx-eeepc: You're leaving open the door to the street then complaining your new bedroom door didn't come with a bolt fitted ..? |
| 21:31.53 | jpinx-eeepc | re-arranges enouf s bloat |
| 21:31.57 | zmitya | *PREROUTING |
| 21:32.12 | enouf | notices how little jpinx-eeepc has to work with |
| 21:32.21 | jpinx-eeepc | g00se: forgive me - I am working on behalf of a client;) |
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| 21:33.04 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: would that client happen to be based in Redmond? |
| 21:33.12 | jpinx-eeepc | I can only work with what he has - a default lenny install - and improve from there |
| 21:33.16 | gribozavr | zmitya: yes, dnat is the simpliest thing. but there could be some targets in recent kernels to do that in a more elegant way |
| 21:33.25 | g00se | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 21:33.27 | itsosimpo | hello can i boot an already existing operating system using virtual box or do i need to install virtual box first and then install the operating system? |
| 21:33.36 | enouf | !harden-doc |
| 21:33.36 | dpkg | from memory, harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents or apt-get install harden-doc -or- aptitude install harden-doc |
| 21:33.56 | zmitya | gribozavr: thanks, not a bad idea :) |
| 21:33.57 | jpinx-eeepc | no matter - I'm getting the impression that "default" lenny fresh install has no default protectiona gainst dictionary attacks |
| 21:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, the default is you, choosing a good password |
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| 21:34.11 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: dictionarys can't type |
| 21:34.40 | jpinx-eeepc | talks another of CutMeOwnThroat s pills |
| 21:34.44 | enouf | and neither can i .. many times :-p |
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| 21:34.52 | jpinx-eeepc | *takes |
| 21:34.54 | gener1c | anybody here uses climm for smss? |
| 21:34.56 | g00se | jpinx-eeepc: That's why you choose something that isn't *in* the dictionary ... |
| 21:35.09 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, but fail2ban is a very nice addition... and gets rid of the loads of logging messages (if you log login attempts) |
| 21:35.18 | gener1c | dustybin: links |
| 21:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, don't talk to pills, that looks weird |
| 21:35.26 | dustybin | gener1c: not elinks? |
| 21:35.29 | ssm | dustybin: try links, lynx or w3m, and see what works best for you |
| 21:35.33 | gener1c | its all the same |
| 21:35.37 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 21:35.52 | dustybin | gener1c: can these view images via the framebuffer? |
| 21:35.59 | gener1c | hell no |
| 21:36.00 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks CutMeOwnThroat - I will recommend fail2ban (and your pills) |
| 21:36.01 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: here; ñ÷òôôçâîèùõõéë·¶µ´³²²±ö |
| 21:36.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!! |
| 21:36.06 | gener1c | framebuffer is an urban legend |
| 21:36.07 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: that's my password |
| 21:36.28 | gener1c | i tried for ages making mplayer show stuff using framebuffer |
| 21:36.30 | gener1c | it just doesnt work |
| 21:36.39 | ubsafder | can i enable a swap partition for a debian installer ? |
| 21:36.42 | gener1c | if you want images use a DE |
| 21:36.46 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: remember when you were young, and you used to blow bubbles? |
| 21:37.14 | jpinx-eeepc | out my ass enouf |
| 21:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, basically, fail2ban blocks all IP that has >3 failed login attempts for 10 minutes, then unblocks it again (using firewall rules) |
| 21:37.16 | dustybin | D? |
| 21:37.16 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: well, he's back in town, and asking me for your phone number :-p |
| 21:37.19 | g00se | enouf: Unfortunately that's the word for 'cat' in Volapuk |
| 21:37.19 | dustybin | DE? |
| 21:37.21 | enouf | :-) |
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| 21:37.28 | gener1c | dustybin: desktop enviournment |
| 21:37.33 | dustybin | ok |
| 21:37.36 | ubsafder | i am installing on an nslu2 with 32mb ram. it is short |
| 21:37.38 | enouf | g00se: cooked? or raw? |
| 21:37.48 | dustybin | gener1c: DEs suck |
| 21:37.51 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: cool - I'm reading that now - looks good |
| 21:37.57 | enouf | g00se: and if raw, what's it's laden speed? |
| 21:37.59 | gener1c | dustybin: use awesome or wdm |
| 21:38.03 | gener1c | youll like those |
| 21:38.22 | gener1c | very fast and its tiled |
| 21:38.27 | gener1c | very productive |
| 21:38.27 | dustybin | ok |
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| 21:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, just keep in mind you're running it - its actually really frustrating when you test something new which produces failed logins and that results in banning the IP you test from for 10 minutes (and all your further tests fail because the firewall went up) |
| 21:39.00 | gener1c | does anyone use climm here? |
| 21:39.04 | gener1c | anyone? |
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| 21:39.22 | g00se | !anyone |
| 21:39.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:39.27 | gener1c | i made a wrapper for it and now i am having issues with its commandline interface |
| 21:39.28 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: see, really now; is choosing a tasksel option the default? is installing a DE the default? are there more security worries if one does install any or many tasksel options at install time, as opposed to none? |
| 21:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll *not* tell the client ;) |
| 21:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 21:40.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !hosts.deny |
| 21:40.13 | jpinx-eeepc | pokes dpkg |
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| 21:40.19 | jpinx-eeepc | hosts.allow |
| 21:40.25 | gener1c | g00se how do i send smss using the cli interdace of climm i tried the obviouse line that shows in the man pages |
| 21:40.26 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg vwake up |
| 21:40.26 | dpkg | jpinx-eeepc: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 21:40.28 | gener1c | yet nadda |
| 21:40.36 | \amethyst | btw, if you care about dictionary attacks, libpam-cracklib might be useful |
| 21:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, on the other hand 5 or 10 minutes block is nice, because you just need to go for a coffee if you trigger it, then you can back in |
| 21:40.56 | jpinx-eeepc | *still won't tell the client |
| 21:40.58 | g00se | gener1c: I'm afraid i've never heard of it |
| 21:41.00 | \amethyst | it checks new passwords against a dictionary |
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| 21:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 21:41.22 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: cool - tks |
| 21:41.25 | gener1c | climm --uin # -p <pass> -s dnd -C 'sms <phone#> msg' |
| 21:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have one... |
| 21:41.31 | gener1c | didnt work |
| 21:41.35 | benbangert | so when aptitude does nothing but try and resolve dependencies, then croaks, what next? |
| 21:41.47 | enouf | benbangert: sledgehammer? |
| 21:41.50 | benbangert | I got "resolver timed out after producting a solution" |
| 21:42.06 | g00se | gener1c: otoh i have just written a cli app wrapping a web-based sms service |
| 21:42.16 | \amethyst | benbangert: try using apt-get and its weaker but tractable resolver :) |
| 21:42.28 | g00se | gener1c: how much are your smss? |
| 21:42.35 | gener1c | free |
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| 21:42.56 | g00se | gener1c: someone else paid? |
| 21:43.01 | gener1c | it uses a free sms interface |
| 21:43.20 | gener1c | but its only for my country |
| 21:43.26 | gener1c | it uses ICQ |
| 21:43.29 | g00se | gener1c: i'm interested. Who gives away smss? |
| 21:43.31 | benbangert | \amethyst: thanks, it indeed can figure it out ;) |
| 21:43.31 | nooper | icq \o/ |
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| 21:43.39 | gener1c | mirabliz |
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| 21:44.20 | gener1c | free smss for the east asian area |
| 21:44.29 | gener1c | russia poland ukrain and israel |
| 21:44.35 | g00se | gener1c: ah right |
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| 21:44.59 | gener1c | so anyways it failed on me |
| 21:45.16 | gener1c | i need a ruby api for icq or something |
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| 21:46.21 | g00se | gener1c: climm's not in Lenny i see |
| 21:46.26 | enouf | hands gener1c exactly 1 mole of carbon and a sliver of a diamond, and asks for the hope diamond |
| 21:46.59 | gener1c | facepalms |
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| 21:47.27 | enouf | !comfort gener1c |
| 21:47.27 | dpkg | There, there, gener1c. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 21:51.12 | DevNullnDull | is dpkg a guy or gal? :) |
| 21:51.33 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg sex |
| 21:51.33 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 21:51.46 | azeem | dpkg: forget sex |
| 21:51.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.30 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: that was silly - azeem that isn't going to last, but ok |
| 21:52.57 | Qew | surely it's more a question of whether dpkg is a 1 or a 0 |
| 21:53.02 | \amethyst | !what are you? |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 21:53.18 | DevNullnDull | boys are 1 and girls are 0 |
| 21:53.19 | DevNullnDull | :) |
| 21:53.21 | \amethyst | so dpkg's gender is "infobot". E doesn't have a sex because e is lacking in biology |
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| 21:55.07 | DevNullnDull | \amethyst: ya but a girl infobot or a boy infobot is the question |
| 21:55.34 | enouf | DevNullnDull: there's more choices than just two - now drop it |
| 21:55.55 | enouf | please? ;-) |
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| 22:00.33 | psault | any C++ GUI coders for Linux here? |
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| 22:01.16 | azeem | psault: this is not a programming channel, please ask elsewhere |
| 22:01.46 | psault | how lame, you practically must be a coder to use Linux. |
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| 22:02.29 | itsosimpo | hello does anyone have any tutorials on how to boot a raw disk from Virtualbox OSE? |
| 22:02.31 | g00se | My granny uses it and she can't even write a single line of VB |
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| 22:03.35 | itsosimpo | i can only find forums that talk about it |
| 22:03.37 | enouf | g00se: i bet she has some DOS experience though :-p |
| 22:03.38 | Eulex | !gender |
| 22:03.38 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 22:04.00 | craigevil | psault: my nine yr old and my 65 mom use linux its not difficult, my son even installs and remove the packages he wants |
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| 22:05.47 | g00se | enouf: Actually she's no longer with us, but she was OK at knitting |
| 22:05.56 | enouf | issues a citation to craigevil for improper use of pronouns and yet still presumes his son is 9 years old :-) |
| 22:06.34 | enouf | g00se: ok |
| 22:06.41 | craigevil | enouf: :P i am lucky if i spell most words correctly my typing sucks |
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| 22:07.05 | sylarr | I am trying to test the speed of writes to usb flash drive, but my memory buffers are so large it just finish off in 1GB/z |
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| 22:07.30 | sylarr | anyone knows a way to test it? |
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| 22:08.17 | zenlinuxPDX | For the second time now, the Debian Etch installer is stuck on the screen "Configuring apt: Scanning the mirror...." how can I cause it to re-try? |
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| 22:09.54 | enouf | missing words from craigevil 's statement a) my nine yr old [son] b) 65 [yr old] mom -- but 'a)' being the confuddled disambiguous redirect :-P |
| 22:10.05 | g00se | sylarr: Tricky - they're specifically designed to minimise actual writes |
| 22:10.39 | enouf | sylarr: drop_caches? |
| 22:11.08 | enouf | sylarr: man proc |
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| 22:11.35 | enouf | if you echo 3, remember to run 'sync' prior each time |
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| 22:12.22 | g00se | zenlinuxPDX: Have you got a dodgy net connection/mirror address? |
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| 22:12.53 | zenlinuxPDX | g00se: I don't think so...but my guess it the mirror I chose isn't working right now |
| 22:13.16 | g00se | zenlinuxPDX: Choose a different one |
| 22:13.37 | zenlinuxPDX | g00se: do you know of any way to cancel the current operation so I don't have to restart the installer? |
| 22:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylarr, bonnie++? |
| 22:14.27 | g00se | zenlinuxPDX: Get another terminal and kill the process? |
| 22:14.35 | enouf | zenlinuxPDX: 1st, try Lenny 5.0.2, and 2nd, see alt-f4 |
| 22:14.52 | sylarr | enouf, I am worried I will mess my system |
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| 22:15.08 | enouf | zenlinuxPDX: (within etch or lenny) |
| 22:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or hdparm -tT, but at least T is cached |
| 22:15.34 | enouf | sylarr: we make no guarantees, sorry ;-) |
| 22:16.04 | sylarr | CutMeOwnThroat, That is for read speed, I suspect the write speed |
| 22:16.06 | zenlinuxPDX | g00se and enouf: thanks for the replies, I'm in good shape now |
| 22:16.21 | sylarr | I have tried with dd |
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| 22:16.23 | sylarr | but... |
| 22:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonnie does both |
| 22:16.29 | sylarr | 1GB/s |
| 22:16.41 | enouf | !bonnie++ |
| 22:16.43 | jpinx-eeepc | which is looked at first by sshd - /etc/hosts.deny or /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 22:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | methinks |
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| 22:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially with the -b option |
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| 22:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you just increased bonnies karma :) |
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| 22:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !karma bonnie |
| 22:17.37 | dpkg | bonnie has karma of 4 |
| 22:17.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 22:17.53 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: heh |
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| 22:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfair, bonnie didn't answer! |
| 22:19.18 | dustybin | im going to bed |
| 22:19.22 | dustybin | and on that note, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGmO7Oximw8 |
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| 22:20.34 | jpinx-eeepc | answer - /etc/hosts.allow :p |
| 22:21.07 | sylarr | how do I safely remove a USB flash? |
| 22:21.12 | sylarr | I umounted it from gnome |
| 22:21.20 | sylarr | but it still is blinking |
| 22:21.28 | jpinx-eeepc | sylarr: they do that sometimes |
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| 22:21.39 | enouf | sylarr: try dd again (though i don;t think it's best for your circumstances), and within another terminal you've opened, send "kill -SIGUSR1 <PID-of-dd>" which you can easily obtain various ways, then switch back to the terminalyou started dd in |
| 22:22.09 | sylarr | enouf, it finish the dd in less then 1 second |
| 22:22.24 | enouf | sylarr: try various bs= options, from 512 to 4M |
| 22:22.37 | hans0lo | sylarr: put a helmet on? :) Go to terminal and type sync.. once sync is complete it should be safe to remove the drive (assuming that it is really unmounted) |
| 22:22.49 | enouf | sylarr: then you better flush your cache :-O |
| 22:23.03 | jpinx-eeepc | sylarr: do df -h and see if it shows |
| 22:23.10 | jpinx-eeepc | if not - yanks it out |
| 22:23.23 | enouf | umount will perform a sync (or should) |
| 22:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sylarr, at least run sync before/after |
| 22:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... and umount will not exit before everything is written |
| 22:24.02 | sylarr | maybe I can time the sync |
| 22:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about garden gnomes and stuff |
| 22:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bonnie, godsdammit |
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| 22:26.09 | sylarr | sync is finished but it still blinks |
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| 22:28.35 | jpinx-eeepc | sylarr: they do that sometimes |
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| 22:33.37 | macrobat2 | how can i hide join/part msgs in weechat? |
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| 22:37.50 | dkr | macrobat2: by reading the weechat documentation |
| 22:38.14 | g00se | 'weechat'. That's a new one on me. Sounds like an app concerning conversations in lavatories |
| 22:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | the reading alone does that? wow :) |
| 22:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, weeee, chat! |
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| 22:39.57 | macrobat2 | i will search and replace in the doku, and the client will do my bidding hereonafter |
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| 22:40.47 | macrobat2 | weechat is a beauty |
| 22:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | /thou shalt not print join/part |
| 22:41.07 | alsa | hello, i have debian installed, i have wireless NIC, how can configure it? |
| 22:41.10 | macrobat2 | +1 CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:41.29 | g00se | iwconfig |
| 22:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsa, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:42.12 | septiq | needs help to make initrd waiting kernel scsi disks initialization before assembling MD |
| 22:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | read "man interfaces" and "man wireless" |
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| 22:42.52 | alsa | ok,, the NIC is Intel PRO/Wireless 4965, they said that we need a proprietary driver |
| 22:43.35 | sylarr | 2MB/s |
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| 22:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | google for it... perhaps there is a driver |
| 22:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | else... |
| 22:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ndiswrapper |
| 22:43.50 | dpkg | NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:44.00 | sylarr | tried the time sync thingy right after dd, and it worked |
| 22:44.07 | sylarr | 4:10 for 500MB |
| 22:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this sounds kinda promising |
| 22:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !iwlwifi |
| 22:45.22 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsa, ^^^ - you can /msg dpkg keyword for all <keyword>s |
| 22:46.43 | cirwin | a friend has a satellite l300-292 toshiba and she is having problems with her fan, which will turn on at 77degrees and never turn off again - does anyone have any experience with acpi fans? |
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| 22:48.41 | alsa | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you |
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| 22:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... insofar as fancontrol stopped working for me in recentish 2.6er kernels |
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| 22:49.35 | cirwin | oh |
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| 22:50.44 | sylarr | so.. I tried again with dd-ing to a whole partition |
| 22:51.02 | sylarr | and got 8MB/s vs 4MB/s for ext2 |
| 22:51.16 | cirwin | CutMeOwnThroat: do you just ignore it, or did you fix it? |
| 22:51.25 | sylarr | and the question is ... is there a better FS for flash? |
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| 22:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | cirwin, ignore up to now... lmsensors doesn't find my the sensors anymore and fan kernelmodule loads, but it doesn't find a fan... but that stuff is really hardware dependent... this was on a travelmate |
| 22:54.28 | cirwin | ah well :( |
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| 23:04.23 | enouf | cirwin: likely some i2c issue ... perhaps |
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| 23:05.43 | enouf | cirwin: lmsensors has split off their i2c stuff, called i2c-tools pkg, perhaps it's useful (it is for "/msg dpkg myram"), but perhaps dangerous .. read the docs and man pages |
| 23:06.03 | cirwin | thanks |
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| 23:06.05 | cirwin | I'll have a read |
| 23:06.17 | SuperMiguel | is there a HD benchmark for debian? |
| 23:06.25 | SuperMiguel | that tells me my read and write speeds |
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| 23:07.02 | enouf | !listvals lbs.sf.net |
| 23:07.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lbs.sf.net' by value returned no results. |
| 23:07.16 | enouf | !listvals lbs.sourceforge.net |
| 23:07.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lbs.sourceforge.net' by value returned no results. |
| 23:07.30 | enouf | oh well - guess not :-P |
| 23:07.40 | abrotman | bonnie? |
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| 23:09.11 | enouf | needs to think of a factoid he can create to utilize the words "bonnet" and "wooden clogs" :-) |
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| 23:10.36 | abrotman | tells dpkg "enouf is <reply>enouf: can i have my bonnet and wooden clogs back? |
| 23:10.55 | enouf | heh .. nice try :-P |
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| 23:11.31 | enouf | i was thinking of also tossing in a few badgers and a windmill |
| 23:11.33 | stew | judd: versions fail2ban |
| 23:11.33 | judd | stew: fail2ban -- etch: 0.7.5-2etch1 etch-security: 0.7.5-2etch1 etch-backports: 0.8.3-1~bpo40+1 sid: 0.8.3-2 lenny: 0.8.3-2sid1 sid: 0.8.3-2sid1 squeeze: 0.8.3-2sid1 experimental: 0.8.3-5 |
| 23:11.45 | stew | wow, I was scrolled back like hours |
| 23:12.11 | enouf | also misses the "-- more --" many times |
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| 23:12.37 | abrotman | stew: it's okay.. nothing happened |
| 23:12.42 | enouf | it's even funnier when in #bash |
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| 23:12.54 | stew | abrotman: did you ride your bike? |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | stew: yes, of course .. i hope you did! |
| 23:13.21 | benbangert | I upgraded from Postgres 8.3 to the 8.4 package, and now 8.3 won't start at all (which makes it hard to migrate the db). Any pointers on how to enable the init script so it actually starts 8.3? |
| 23:13.31 | stew | indeed. you must have been freezing |
| 23:13.34 | abrotman | benbangert: is 8.3 even still installed? |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | stew: nah .. it was fine here |
| 23:13.42 | benbangert | definitely |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | benbangert: so what's the error, why won't it start? is something already using 5432 ? |
| 23:14.13 | abrotman | benbangert: did the pgsql upgrade tell you to run the uh .. db_cluster_upgrade or whatever it is ? |
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| 23:14.52 | McL0VIN | how do i get a list of HDD i have |
| 23:14.52 | benbangert | abrotman: oh, lol, no it isn't. how silly, apt-get removed 8.3, moved to 8.4, but of course you have to dump 8.3 to migrate to 8.4.... |
| 23:16.46 | McL0VIN | i have a laptop HDD that is going bad, and the OS is M$, the only thing is its one of the new lappy, and there no recovery CDs that came with it, instead , there is a FAT32 14GB partition that contain the recovery portion. i was thinking to use a Live CD and do "dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 bs=4096conv=notrunc,noerror" .Never tried this before so i need you expert opinion |
| 23:16.55 | enouf | hrm cirwin ... curiously http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/i2c/busses/i2c-i801#L75 |
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| 23:18.48 | cirwin | o |
| 23:19.02 | cirwin | is way out of his depth |
| 23:19.34 | abrotman | McL0VIN: shouldn't you call the manuf and get it replaced ? |
| 23:20.00 | macrobat2 | McL0VIN: no warranty left? |
| 23:20.05 | McL0VIN | abrotman: out of warranty |
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| 23:20.47 | macrobat2 | i think u can get install cds |
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| 23:21.44 | McL0VIN | so i load a linux live cd i see sda1, sda2,sda3 and sdb and i don't know which one is which now? |
| 23:21.57 | faffi | Is there a way to make the mouse wheel scroll the konsole up and down |
| 23:22.34 | abrotman | McL0VIN: using which live CD? |
| 23:22.35 | macrobat2 | faffi: my xfce4 terminal does that |
| 23:22.35 | paulfitzpatrick | bit of a noob question here. When I run TOP I can see some of my php-cgi process chewing a nice chunk of CPU/RAM. |
| 23:22.48 | paulfitzpatrick | how do I dig deeper into exactly what the process is running, ie. which scripts |
| 23:22.57 | McL0VIN | abrotman: Knoppix |
| 23:22.58 | abrotman | paulfitzpatrick: ps -ef might give oyu more info |
| 23:23.04 | abrotman | McL0VIN: so what does this have to do with Debian ? |
| 23:23.07 | paulfitzpatrick | tah :) |
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| 23:24.19 | paulfitzpatrick | I still can;t see exactly what php is up to apart from it's using xx ram. I'd like to track down an offending script that may be using too many resources, any other suggestions? |
| 23:24.22 | macrobat2 | faffi: are you using konsole? iirc i could scroll in that |
| 23:25.23 | paulfitzpatrick | my Debian Lenny server shut down again last night by itself. I think one of my PHP scripts is using far too many resources under load but I can't find which one |
| 23:25.58 | faffi | macrobat2: ya im using kosnole, cant scroll :( |
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| 23:27.59 | macrobat2 | i often use shift+pgup to see the scrollback |
| 23:28.09 | ajavid | !seen fxiny |
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| 23:29.28 | abrotman | paulfitzpatrick: look at the PID in top .. then use ps -ef .. and look at the process output |
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| 23:32.41 | paulfitzpatrick | I must be doing something idiotic. I only get this much detail : www-data 18311 17427 5 19:25 ? S 0:22 /usr/bin/php-cgi |
| 23:33.13 | paulfitzpatrick | I tried using the process id as well, so 'ps -ef 18311' |
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| 23:33.54 | abrotman | i'd think it owuld show the full command |
| 23:36.29 | Tramp | -w |
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| 23:38.57 | smacnay | hmm, strange naming on my failed kernel updated... |
| 23:39.08 | smacnay | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64_2.6.30-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 23:39.08 | dpkg | smacnay: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:39.17 | smacnay | yes sir |
| 23:39.35 | zinx | hah |
| 23:39.37 | abrotman | smacnay: paste all of the output in a pastebin |
| 23:40.17 | zinx | smacnay: not really, "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" is the package name, "2.6.30-2_amd64" is the version |
| 23:40.26 | paulfitzpatrick | was that for me, Tramp ? Not working either. |
| 23:40.30 | zinx | well, minus the ending _amd64 part i suppose |
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| 23:40.46 | zinx | smacnay: kernels get their own package per version, so you can have multiple installed |
| 23:40.48 | cozminsky | smacnay, your /boot full? |
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| 23:41.55 | smacnay | http://paste.debian.net/41399/ |
| 23:42.16 | Tramp | paulfitzpatrick: the -w was assuming something was truncated. If this is not the case, the information is probably not available from the process listing |
| 23:42.27 | zinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.32 | zinx | smacnay: you're out of space :P |
| 23:42.41 | cozminsky | smacnay, aye, /boot is full |
| 23:43.03 | paulfitzpatrick | ah k, any other ways to find out what php-cgi scripts are running and using resources ? |
| 23:43.18 | smacnay | zinx, ah, thanks - didn't realize |
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| 23:43.49 | cozminsky | paulfitzpatrick, php-cgi will all be in ps |
| 23:43.50 | BrunoCabraL_ | I have a dhcp server running, but the clients cant ping the internet because there is no route configured. How should I proceed to have the correct route configured in the clients? |
| 23:44.18 | dondelelcaro | BrunoCabraL_: you should have a default gateway which is passed by the dhcp server to the clients |
| 23:44.19 | paulfitzpatrick | yeah I can see multiple php-cgi processes running, but I was hoping to dig deeper and see what scripts each process is working on |
| 23:45.02 | smacnay | zinx, cozminsky, these default lvm install leave very little in the / area |
| 23:45.08 | cozminsky | BrunoCabraL_, assuming it's ISC dhcpd then in your subnet block you need and option routers x.x.x.x; |
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| 23:45.44 | cozminsky | smacnay, with LVM you can always expand it |
| 23:45.53 | BrunoCabraL_ | hummm |
| 23:45.55 | BrunoCabraL_ | thanks :) |
| 23:46.02 | zinx | smacnay: uninstall old kernels, if you have a yew ;) |
| 23:46.03 | zinx | erh, few |
| 23:46.07 | paulfitzpatrick | my server keeps dying under load. I just upgraded php and a few other things, I guess I can just see if it survives tonight |
| 23:46.18 | smacnay | cozminsky, I might need to - this is the /dev/mapper/debian-root area that is 100% maxed out. |
| 23:46.33 | Tramp | paulfitzpatrick: if they are persistent, maybe checking /proc/<pid>/fd/ helps (it probably has the script open). Otherwise there may be #(#)httpd or #(#)php |
| 23:46.33 | smacnay | zinx, that is my first option - I have one unused |
| 23:46.57 | paulfitzpatrick | thx |
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| 23:49.57 | smacnay | thanks for the help |
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| 23:51.18 | DevNullnDull | quick question about versions. if i see a package that is 2.2.2-etch2 and another package is 2.2.2-etch4 ,that means that the application is the same but the package itself has been updated? Or im i off? |
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| 23:52.08 | cozminsky | DevNullnDull, you're correct anything after the hyphen is debian packaging version |
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| 23:52.28 | songer | hello |
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| 23:56.05 | abrotman | why? |
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