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| 00:10.16 | seniorake | a system with core i7 requires ia64 as architecture, true? |
| 00:10.32 | adb | amd64 |
| 00:10.37 | seniorake | why is that? |
| 00:10.50 | seniorake | i thought intel with 64bit is ia64 |
| 00:10.56 | synnaptics1 | Hey I'm having a hell of a time getting my Cisco Aironet 350 into monitoring mode on Debian Lenny to run airodump-ng. Does anyone have experience doing this? |
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| 00:11.24 | adb | dpkg: tell seniorake about amd64 |
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| 00:12.15 | cozminsky | ia64 is itanium |
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| 00:12.59 | seniorake | okay, that's what i did not really get. thank you for the information, i just considered reinstalling everything for a second :> |
| 00:13.22 | McL0VIN | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.39 | cozminsky | adb, do you ever sleep? or are you in Australia somewhere? |
| 00:14.11 | adb | cozminsky: see my nick |
| 00:14.52 | adb | seniorake: reinstalling i386 ? |
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| 00:16.07 | seniorake | no i thought i had to switch to ia64 |
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| 00:16.19 | dkr | .ch is cool. I like the fact that your country code isn't based on english country name. say no to anglicism. :) |
| 00:16.47 | dkr | say yes to dead languages |
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| 00:17.34 | cozminsky | everyone should learn esperanto, it's the international language |
| 00:18.51 | agaran | dkr: latin then? |
| 00:18.53 | adb | cozminsky: we all talk kind/parts of esperanto |
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| 00:20.15 | dkr | agaran: .ch is based on the latin name for switzerland which is what I was alluding to, yeah ;) |
| 00:20.42 | jpinx-eeepc | as .hr is for croatia? |
| 00:21.03 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
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| 00:21.22 | jpinx-eeepc | except .hr is in croatian language ;) |
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| 00:21.47 | jpinx-eeepc | .bg is not in English - they call it Bulgaria too:) |
| 00:21.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !ot |
| 00:21.54 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 00:22.50 | dkr | haha, gotta love extending the conversation longer before bringing up that factoid. :) |
| 00:24.23 | jpinx-eeepc | was just pre-empting someone else's wrath |
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| 00:36.26 | faffi | How would i use dm-crypt to encrypt a flash drive? |
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| 00:38.23 | adb | apt-cache search dm-crypt |
| 00:38.33 | Tramp | faffi: just as you do with any block-device |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | adb: i think he's past that point |
| 00:39.37 | faffi | is there a wiki article on using it? |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | it probably has documentation in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
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| 00:40.55 | abrotman | or a man page? |
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| 00:43.17 | ranix | you know, the second result on a google search for "dm-crypt" is titled "dm-crypt wiki : HomePage" |
| 00:43.23 | ranix | I don't mean to be an ass |
| 00:43.33 | ranix | but google it faffi |
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| 00:43.45 | ranix | >:[ |
| 00:44.11 | songer | how can I install kernel 2.6.30 |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | songer: why do you want the .30 ? |
| 00:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, uuuh, fancy multi-word google searches |
| 00:44.38 | faffi | ranix: thats what i always do and the website is horribly outdated |
| 00:44.54 | ranix | well to answer your question, "Yes, there is a wiki article" |
| 00:44.55 | songer | I can't instal mi pci wireless |
| 00:45.05 | faffi | ranix: thanks :) |
| 00:45.07 | abrotman | songer: see backports.org |
| 00:45.09 | ranix | ;) |
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| 00:45.19 | adb | faffi: dm-crypt is not a command , but cryptsetup is |
| 00:45.36 | faffi | adb: ya figured that much out, and luks is preferred now |
| 00:46.14 | ranix | there's also this wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dm-crypt |
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| 00:46.26 | ranix | and you're right, it does suggest LUKS |
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| 00:49.31 | adb | ranix: it ? |
| 00:49.40 | ranix | the wiki article |
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| 00:50.08 | Tramp | cryptsetup luksFormat, cryptsetup luksOpen (both on the block-device), mkfs (on the mapped device). That's all there is. Neither rocketsurgery nor brainscience |
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| 00:57.29 | adb | cryptsetup Replaces: cryptsetup-luks (<= 1.0.1-8) |
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| 00:58.21 | bododo | hi folks! |
| 00:59.10 | bododo | anyone knows why haskell's ghc doesn't work in interactive mode on my ibook G4? |
| 00:59.24 | bododo | it says that it wasn't built with that feature |
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| 01:02.11 | bododo | :( |
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| 01:04.00 | BigBob85 | hey |
| 01:04.14 | BigBob85 | I was trying to install ispCP, and it fudged up on me |
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| 01:04.42 | BigBob85 | was following the instructions on http://www.isp-control.net/documentation/start/installation/debian, and got to "aptitude install $(cat ./docs/Debian/debian-packages-`lsb_release -cs`) |
| 01:04.43 | BigBob85 | " |
| 01:05.10 | BigBob85 | Now i just keep getting the error, E: /root/.aptitude is readable but not writable; unable to write configuration file. |
| 01:05.47 | jpinx-eeepc | BigBob85: you trying to install debian?r |
| 01:05.54 | BigBob85 | nope |
| 01:06.01 | BigBob85 | I got debian lenny |
| 01:06.07 | BigBob85 | but now I cant use apt-get or aptitude |
| 01:06.23 | jpinx-eeepc | why not? |
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| 01:06.36 | BigBob85 | It alos tells me this |
| 01:06.37 | BigBob85 | W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 01:06.37 | BigBob85 | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 01:06.52 | BigBob85 | and dpkg --configure -a gives an error like |
| 01:07.02 | mischief- | BigBob85: what version of debian are you using and what version of debian was the guide written for? |
| 01:07.15 | BigBob85 | lenny, and lenny |
| 01:07.17 | adb | BigBob85: run, as root rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 01:07.37 | BigBob85 | rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': Read-only file system |
| 01:07.52 | adb | Read-only fs ... |
| 01:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ffs |
| 01:08.17 | adb | BigBob85: why Read-only fs ? |
| 01:08.27 | BigBob85 | adb, I didnt do it.. |
| 01:08.50 | adb | disk problems ? |
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| 01:09.48 | BigBob85 | is a remote server |
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| 01:10.00 | BigBob85 | I can ask to get it reloaded with a fresh Lenny if that might help |
| 01:11.40 | adb | BigBob85: test your isp-control locally first, ans if ok put it remotely |
| 01:11.55 | BigBob85 | I dont have a linux box localy |
| 01:12.02 | BigBob85 | I just play with my server one |
| 01:12.04 | adb | install it |
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| 01:12.14 | BigBob85 | linux dosnt like my computer |
| 01:12.21 | BigBob85 | any distro of linux i've used fudges up |
| 01:12.45 | BigBob85 | like, ubuntu live cd works |
| 01:12.45 | adb | !kmuto |
| 01:12.46 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:12.54 | BigBob85 | as soon as i install and try run it, it'll crash |
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| 01:13.22 | adb | BigBob85: try kmuto |
| 01:13.50 | BigBob85 | im not going to install linux on my machine just for the sake of trying an web control panel. |
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| 01:14.30 | adb | BigBob85: that is , good luck |
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| 01:18.48 | ranix | what |
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| 01:21.55 | bernie_ | hellp |
| 01:21.57 | bernie_ | hello |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | help or hello ? |
| 01:22.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hellp |
| 01:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | cant you read? |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | gives CutMeOwnThroat an apostrophe |
| 01:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman' |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 01:24.26 | dpkg | smite's CutMeOwnThroat with a plague of extraneous apostrophe's. |
| 01:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | awesome powa |
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| 01:28.40 | roy_hobbs | Do I have an option other than LDAP for remote authentication and authorization? I have a desktop at home with a number of user accounts, I'd like to use it in conjunction with my laptop. If a connection is a available, I can log in to the laptop using an account on the desktop. A bonus would to automatically create (cache?) the account on the laptop in case the connection isn't available. |
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| 01:37.31 | dkr | roy_hobbs: NIS ;) |
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| 01:40.17 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 01:41.38 | roy_hobbs | dkr: do you know if the standard debian package is actually nis+? |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | probably .. |
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| 01:42.59 | superlinux | please, this IS NOT A SPAM. this is a thing of benefit to the Debian community. I just want to tell you all about my new debian tutorial videos. http://www.superlinux.net . I hope you enjoy it. They are a mix of English and Arabic videos. Please start downloading. I want you do so. |
| 01:43.23 | roy_hobbs | so I'd be putting nis as a source for passwd and stuff like that in nsswitch.conf? |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | superlinux: please do not spam here |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | and yes, that is spam |
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| 01:44.34 | superlinux | abrotman, I know. but it's .. anyway it's ok. |
| 01:44.47 | superlinux | thanks for listening |
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| 01:45.48 | dkr | "For only 30$ USD" hah |
| 01:47.32 | songer | does anybody installed kernel 2.6.30? |
| 01:47.39 | dkr | I find it funny how in the arabic part the $ is on the correct side of the number since it is written right to left |
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| 01:49.21 | ray66 | about 1 out of 6 boots in Lenny when it reaches waiting for /dev to populate it will stall then go to done and (timed out) is this a sign of a problem |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | so it still boots? it's just delayed? |
| 01:50.07 | ray66 | abrotman that correct |
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| 01:52.24 | ray66 | abrotman....It shows timed out after the delay only shows done on normal boot |
| 01:52.28 | enouf | ray66: are you sometimes shutting down inproperly, or perhaps have a usb drive connected every 1 in 6 times when you boot? or the inverse even? |
| 01:53.22 | enouf | ray66: could try adding rootdelay=20 or so to kernel line |
| 01:53.59 | ray66 | enouf... No changed in the usb to printer and using proper shutdown |
| 01:54.03 | enouf | oh .. hrm, |
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| 01:55.43 | enouf | ray66: are your drives in raid or any lvm or crypto? it seems like there's a hardware change of some sort that udev is trying to cope with (or configuration change - even drive order) but i'd say if it's software, it's your initrd |
| 01:57.01 | enouf | ray66: it's possible your power supply is weak? perhaps ready to fail? Also - maybe you have a bootable CDROM or floppy inserted once every 6 times? |
| 01:58.02 | ray66 | enouf ...Sata drives no raid using grub no lvm or crypto no cdrom or floppy inserted until after booot psu 650 watt |
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| 01:58.45 | enouf | ray66: ok - i'm actually pleased - you managed to answer everything, ... unlike most ;-) |
| 02:00.02 | enouf | ray66: any eSATA drives you connect/disconnect? i'd try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` just for the heck of it, to update the initramfs anyway |
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| 02:00.45 | enouf | ray66: 6 boots is how long of a time frame? years? :-P |
| 02:01.44 | ray66 | enouf...I do not see an operating problem only the timed out concerns me is it actually populating the six boot occur over a period of six days |
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| 02:03.40 | enouf | ray66: it's not supposed to be doing that |
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| 02:05.15 | enouf | ray66: six days - hrm, i wonder what's in your /etc/cron.weekly/ dir - which kernel ray? "uname -r" |
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| 02:07.32 | ray66 | enouf.. kernel 2.6.26.2-686 |
| 02:08.29 | enouf | ok |
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| 02:10.28 | ray66 | enouf /etc/cron.weekly .placeholder Oanacron man db |
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| 02:11.02 | ray66 | enouf.. also cvs |
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| 02:15.20 | enouf | ray66: looks ok, and before we pursue that further, do you notice it happens on a weekly basis? Suppose you leave the PC on for 3-4 days straight at a time? Does the issue occur then every 2 boots? |
| 02:15.53 | enouf | ray66: and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 02:16.22 | enouf | won't cause any harm - or, i should say shouldn't - always have backups |
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| 02:17.26 | ray66 | enouf...This is a triple boot system that is turned to different distros daily and shut down daily will try reconfigure |
| 02:18.00 | enouf | ray66: are you sure that when it does happen, perhaps you're somehow booting into an older kernel? maybe .18 from Etch? or a custom kernel? |
| 02:18.20 | enouf | oh |
| 02:18.42 | ray66 | enouf only one kernel listed in grub no custom |
| 02:18.53 | enouf | ray66: is it windows + debian + any-other-distro? |
| 02:19.16 | enouf | ray66: if so, did you install grub twice? once upon each distro installation? |
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| 02:19.46 | ray66 | enouf .. Windows XP ,Debian Lenny Kde desktop,Ubuntu Hardy gnome desktop |
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| 02:20.26 | ray66 | enouf...only installed grub once |
| 02:20.30 | enouf | ray66: you might have 2 separate menu.lst files, et al - if you installed grub once for debian, and once for ubuntu |
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| 02:20.43 | TrickFinlay2 | my system hangs on boot, this is the /proc/cmdline - root=/dev/sdb2 ro |
| 02:20.48 | TrickFinlay2 | should it be rw? |
| 02:20.55 | enouf | no |
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| 02:21.28 | ray66 | enouf...That possible will have to check for menu.lst in Ubuntu |
| 02:21.35 | enouf | root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic |
| 02:21.40 | TrickFinlay2 | hmm |
| 02:21.51 | TrickFinlay2 | i think I might have figured it out, thanks enouf |
| 02:21.56 | enouf | np |
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| 02:22.56 | TrickFinlay2 | enouf, is there any way I can edit that file, do I need to pass in arguments at boot time? |
| 02:23.56 | TrickFinlay2 | this is a on Sun netra btw :/ |
| 02:23.57 | enouf | ray66: fwiw, i always set "timeout 30" or so in menu.lst which allows me to hit any key, which then halts it from autobooting the defaulted/highlighted line, and i then select which kernel or OS |
| 02:24.54 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: no idea what a Sun netra is - but yes, you can pass your bootloader any kernel params you think you want/need |
| 02:25.00 | McL0VIN | question if i have a 160GB HDD , how can i partition 13.9GB as FAT32 and the rest as NTFS please |
| 02:25.05 | McL0VIN | can i do that |
| 02:25.07 | enouf | er, which bootloader TrickFinlay2 ? |
| 02:25.20 | abrotman | McL0VIN: please ask the channel for your distro, this isn't it |
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| 02:25.25 | enouf | McL0VIN: ask ##windows |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | McL0VIN: or ask ##linux |
| 02:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | now what? |
| 02:25.54 | TrickFinlay2 | enouf, its a Sun machine, so I think SILO? maybe grub? im not sure, thats why I was wondering if I could edit the file directly(which I dont think you can) |
| 02:25.58 | ray66 | enouf...Thanks for the info and help going to reconfigure first |
| 02:26.12 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: did you install Debian? |
| 02:26.15 | TrickFinlay2 | yes |
| 02:26.23 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: which Release? |
| 02:26.28 | TrickFinlay2 | lenny |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 02:26.43 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 02:26.47 | TrickFinlay2 | it installed fine, its having an issue booting though |
| 02:26.53 | enouf | hrm .. is there a #debian-sparc channel? is that thing x86? |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | the Netra is SPARC |
| 02:27.56 | TrickFinlay2 | yes, but my issue isnt SPARC specifi. Im getting the error "ALERT! /dev/sdb2 does not exist" |
| 02:27.58 | enouf | sun's version of parisc? |
| 02:28.16 | abrotman | no, sparc |
| 02:28.35 | enouf | bah .. noboby cares what sparc is :-p |
| 02:28.41 | TrickFinlay2 | lol :P |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | you dn't ... mr PII |
| 02:29.01 | TrickFinlay2 | but its a Debian issue, not SPARC |
| 02:29.09 | enouf | !apostropheeeeeeeesmite abrotman |
| 02:29.10 | TrickFinlay2 | its booting to the wrong hd :( |
| 02:29.11 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | the EEPROM is, or SILO ? |
| 02:29.49 | enouf | oops - /me takes that back .. would you like to buy a vowel instead? :-P |
| 02:30.22 | TrickFinlay2 | abrotman, silo |
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| 02:30.56 | abrotman | TrickFinlay2: you'd probably get more help from #debian-sparc on OFTC |
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| 02:31.26 | TrickFinlay2 | abrotman, its kind of dead over there :/ |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:31.47 | lszyba1 | hello, would anybody know where can I find a desciption of Packages.gz file structure? How to parse it? |
| 02:31.49 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: when you installed, did you yse mdadm? LVM? crypto? |
| 02:31.50 | TrickFinlay2 | and its a arch. independent issue imo |
| 02:31.58 | abrotman | TrickFinlay2: what is making it boot wrong? where is it dying ? |
| 02:32.06 | TrickFinlay2 | enouf, no LVM/crypto |
| 02:32.12 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: i've never seen ALERT! .... |
| 02:32.17 | enouf | RAID? |
| 02:32.21 | TrickFinlay2 | nope |
| 02:32.38 | TrickFinlay2 | its trying to boot to the wrong drive |
| 02:32.49 | enouf | no, it says it doens't exist |
| 02:33.15 | TrickFinlay2 | its trying to boot to sdb2, when there is only sdaX |
| 02:33.26 | enouf | this is the /proc/cmdline - root=/dev/sdb2 ro <-- you wouldn't get /proc/cmdline without booting |
| 02:33.50 | TrickFinlay2 | well it dropped me into a busybox prompt |
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| 02:34.15 | enouf | something is very wrong, misconfigured - i suspect your SILO entries |
| 02:34.22 | TrickFinlay2 | indeed :( |
| 02:34.37 | enouf | so - go learn about SILO and how to configure it |
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| 02:35.13 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: could boot the installation CD into "rescue" |
| 02:35.20 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 02:35.20 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 02:35.25 | TrickFinlay2 | yeah I might do that |
| 02:35.33 | enouf | and check to see which bootloaders it offers, and says |
| 02:35.41 | TrickFinlay2 | enouf, shouldnt there be a /boot ? |
| 02:35.52 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: see the SPARC installation guide |
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| 02:36.13 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: i know nothing about sparc, sorry - i would |
| 02:36.25 | enouf | think so - might be it's own partition? |
| 02:36.33 | TrickFinlay2 | no worries enouf, this is my 1st sun box as well |
| 02:36.37 | TrickFinlay2 | got it for free :p |
| 02:36.53 | TrickFinlay2 | alright well thanks for the help enouf and abrotman, im off to bed |
| 02:36.57 | TrickFinlay2 | work in the AM |
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| 02:37.04 | enouf | ok - cool |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | TrickFinlay2: i couldn't even get google to find me the man page :( |
| 02:37.39 | TrickFinlay2 | for silo? |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | google "man silo sparc" .. you get SILO HOWTOs and the lilo man page |
| 02:38.32 | enouf | TrickFinlay2: the "/msg dpkg ig" for your ARCH should have some specifics, at the least |
| 02:38.32 | TrickFinlay2 | alright, well thanks good |
| 02:38.39 | TrickFinlay2 | night guys |
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| 02:39.13 | lszyba1 | anybody has a link to resource on how to parse PAckages.gz? |
| 02:39.27 | enouf | huh? |
| 02:39.46 | enouf | zless it? you mean? zgrep it? |
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| 02:41.10 | abrotman | lszyba1: parse it for what? |
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| 02:46.55 | blouf | anyone using splashy there ? |
| 02:47.07 | blouf | i got few error on startup that's annoying |
| 02:47.45 | blouf | it works |
| 02:47.48 | blouf | but there's errors |
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| 03:18.11 | onlyfakeraid | Installer show me 2 disk and it's not possible to instal in RAID1 pre configured in the card... |
| 03:18.23 | adb | !fakeraid |
| 03:18.23 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
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| 03:20.13 | onlyfakeraid | !fakeraid |
| 03:20.14 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
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| 03:25.59 | enouf | onlyfakeraid: could try dmraid=1 |
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| 03:53.01 | Leftmost | Is it possible to do something like apt-get upgrade that will only touch packages with security updates? |
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| 03:53.44 | dondelelcaro | Leftmost: if you only have security.debian.org listed, pretty much. |
| 03:53.54 | dondelelcaro | Leftmost: but we almost only ever update packages for security updates |
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| 03:54.08 | dondelelcaro | Leftmost: assuming you're using stable, of course. |
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| 03:55.12 | Leftmost | Hmm. But there's no more certain method? |
| 03:56.28 | dondelelcaro | Leftmost: nope. But if you're using stable, you almost certainly want all of the updates that we do. |
| 03:56.37 | mns | anyone know of a program/applet that will change randomly change the desktop background ? Ideally it should work regardless of the desktop environment I'm using. Could be just plain X11 I'm using. |
| 03:56.38 | dondelelcaro | Leftmost: so there's no reason to just restrict yourself to security updates |
| 03:57.04 | dondelelcaro | mns: you can rather easily do that using a cronjob and something like feh |
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| 03:58.23 | mns | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 03:58.56 | Tramp | It's hard for me to understand your position. I may want to get a security update ASAP (or even have it applied by a script) while I may want to test other upgrades on a test-system before rolling it out |
| 04:00.22 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: security.debian.org only contains security updates. The only time we release other updates to the stable release is when we do point releases |
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| 04:00.53 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: both of those only contain very atomic patches which fix specific security or serious usability bugs |
| 04:01.30 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: the risk of either destabalizing a system is relatively small, so there's no reason why you wouldn't update one and not the other |
| 04:01.54 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: but I would receive an update fixing a "serious useability bug" wether or not it affects me or not, wouldn't I? |
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| 04:02.31 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: sure, but same goes for security udpates |
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| 04:03.13 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: yes. but as I noted: I may want to risk stability for the sake of security but not for the sake of something which does not affect me ("serious usability") |
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| 04:03.32 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: but all of that said, you can easily restrict your automatic (or almost automatic) updates using a separate sources.list which only points at security.debian.org |
| 04:04.23 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: well, that's basically what I do - but it's hard for me to understand, why aptitude lacks this functionality. |
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| 04:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: well, that's how it has that functionality |
| 04:07.34 | dondelelcaro | (you can also do similar things using pinning if you want) |
| 04:08.20 | Tramp | k |
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| 04:20.34 | zaltekk | can someone give me a hand with iwconfig? i am trying to associate to an access point, and i believe i am doing something wrong. i can connect if i use /etc/network/interfaces on startup, but i can't do it by hand when i roam. |
| 04:20.42 | zaltekk | i am typing "iwconfig wlan0 essid uv190l channel 1" |
| 04:20.46 | zaltekk | and it never associates |
| 04:21.14 | zaltekk | i also tried using "iwconfig wlan0 ap X" where X was the routers mac address |
| 04:21.33 | zaltekk | am i missing a step somewhere? it doesn't seem to matter if the interface is up or down |
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| 04:35.05 | ehc | i have a external harddrive that uses esata (and usb2 for power) (nexstar 3). can I check that it is running through esata and not usb2? |
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| 04:50.23 | lewis2 | in vi, how do I insert the <93> and <94> stuff to have curly quotes? |
| 04:50.34 | lewis2 | can't remember how I got it... |
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| 04:52.07 | lewis2 | nvm |
| 04:56.06 | jmoncayo | hwo can i prevent a daemon to start at boot time? |
| 04:56.25 | pl4yer0ne | jmoncayo, what daemon? |
| 04:56.37 | jmoncayo | pl4yer0ne: /etc/init.d/chilli |
| 04:56.52 | rozie | jmoncayo: rcconf |
| 04:56.56 | pl4yer0ne | did you install it from apt? |
| 04:57.20 | jmoncayo | sources |
| 04:57.23 | jmoncayo | yes |
| 04:57.24 | jmoncayo | sorry |
| 04:57.27 | jmoncayo | .deb file |
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| 04:59.30 | pl4yer0ne | whats the package called? |
| 04:59.42 | jmoncayo | rozie: thanks |
| 04:59.49 | ubsafder | what is the chanel to get help to customise the debian installer ? |
| 04:59.49 | jmoncayo | pl4yer0ne: rcconf did the trick |
| 04:59.57 | pl4yer0ne | ok |
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| 05:03.13 | pl4yer0ne | update-rc.d thats what I was trying to remember! |
| 05:04.39 | ubsafder | can i make a file to se the parameter of a debian setup |
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| 05:05.37 | ubsafder | so i don't have to clik while doing the setup of my machine in case of breakdown ? |
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| 05:21.53 | sander_ | http://pastebin.ca/1489237 <-- I'm trying to start a client and a server.. and ping between them.. but I get 100% packetloss.. here are both the client and server output. |
| 05:22.05 | sander_ | Anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| 06:08.13 | streuner__ | apt, test |
| 06:08.13 | apt | Failed! |
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| 06:09.42 | khaije|amalt | is there a way to specify the version of a file i want to get? |
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| 06:11.43 | khaije|amalt | apt-cache policy gives several versions from the same pcf repo but with different versions available |
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| 06:12.50 | bpun | khaije|amalt, probably aptitude |
| 06:14.06 | khaije|amalt | bpun: oh right, i just double checked man aptitude... i can't believe i've missed that until now, thx! |
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| 06:15.59 | jmoncayo | hi guys, could someone help me with an iptables question please? I have eth0 internet, eth1 lan, eth2 dmz, if i want the lan to comunicate with the dmz should i masquerade eth1 or eth2? |
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| 06:17.08 | adb | try #iptables |
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| 06:17.47 | jmoncayo | no one in there |
| 06:17.56 | jmoncayo | thats why i am trying to find some help in here |
| 06:18.58 | simonrvn | *ahem* |
| 06:20.30 | jelly-home | "!they don't know" should be supplanted by "!no one there" |
| 06:21.46 | jelly-home | jmoncayo: as for a Debian answer, you could just install ipmasq |
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| 06:22.00 | JJOliver | Marnin' |
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| 06:23.24 | bpun | jmoncayo, u masquerade the wan interface.. so if u had eth3 connecting to your isp, u'd masquerade interface eth3 |
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| 06:26.29 | `ns` | running debian/stable on my laptop, just did an apt-get upgrade and a reboot. 2.6.26-2-686 kernel locks when initializing swap, works fine with 2.6.26-1-686 kernel .... hmmm, and just discovered that the -2 kernel works fine AFTER a warm reboot with the -1 kernel, just not from a cold boot ..... any ideas ?? |
| 06:27.09 | simonrvn | bug, off top of head |
| 06:27.24 | `ns` | hehehe interesting little bug :) |
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| 06:28.18 | jelly-home | bug off, top of head |
| 06:28.34 | bpun | `ns`, turn off the swap entry in fstab, try booting with -2 kernel without swap |
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| 06:28.55 | bpun | `ns`, probably noswap on bootline may work |
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| 06:30.24 | jmoncayo | bpun: i want to comunicate from lan to dmz |
| 06:30.27 | `ns` | did the fstab mod, rebooting now |
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| 06:30.48 | jmoncayo | bpun: i can comunicate from lan to internet, and dmz to internet |
| 06:30.53 | jmoncayo | http://pastebin.ca/1489314 |
| 06:31.27 | `ns` | hmmm, still says 'Activating swap...' and locks , I'll try noswap |
| 06:31.47 | adb | jmoncayo: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , says ? |
| 06:32.06 | jmoncayo | 1 |
| 06:32.23 | adb | good than . |
| 06:32.32 | jmoncayo | it is forwarding |
| 06:32.46 | jmoncayo | but i think i am missing some rule to forward from lan to dmz |
| 06:33.06 | `ns` | bpun, would I do noswap on the kernel line, or the initrd line ? |
| 06:33.26 | adb | kernel |
| 06:33.30 | jelly-home | jmoncayo: pastebin your iptables-save output |
| 06:33.37 | jmoncayo | ok |
| 06:34.48 | jmoncayo | http://pastebin.ca/1489316 |
| 06:34.58 | `ns` | bpun, now it locks after 'Setting the system clock' looks like I'll have to stick with 2.6.26-1 |
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| 06:36.01 | `ns` | wonder if I might have got an uncaught error when it did the upgrade on the kernel |
| 06:36.35 | bpun | jmoncayo, if u want to service traffic from the dmz thru the gateway, then the dmz's ip# needs to be masqueraded.. |
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| 06:53.10 | negge | I'm trying to install vmware-tools on a newly installed Debian virtual machine running on an ESX server, but nothing happens when I hit "Install tools" |
| 06:53.28 | negge | it's supposed to mount an ISO-image in /media/cdrom or something but nothing's there |
| 06:53.47 | negge | it's a barebone install so I'm guessing I'm missing some package or something, does anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 06:55.48 | PsiKlops | hi, when i do aptitude update it stops by 99% [waiting for headers] since 5 minutes |
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| 06:58.26 | simonrvn | PsiKlops: fix your dns maybe, or the site's down |
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| 07:05.39 | PepperBob | hi all. |
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| 07:05.59 | PepperBob | i setup a debian lenny to be domain member in a w2k3 |
| 07:06.12 | dustybin | how insulting |
| 07:06.28 | PepperBob | now i try to add a local user that already exists in the domain |
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| 07:06.39 | PepperBob | is there a way to force creating a local user with the same name? |
| 07:07.31 | PepperBob | well, at least there's no option in useradd.. |
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| 07:08.40 | PepperBob | mh.. ok just stopped windbind for a moment |
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| 07:09.31 | internat | gday all |
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| 07:10.00 | ksnp | anyone know how to fix "make: i586-mingw32msvc-gcc: Command not found" in cygwin ? |
| 07:10.26 | internat | i have an encrypted fs thats a flat file that gets mounted via /dev/loop. now its telling me that the fs is due to be fsck'd but.. i have no idea how i would do that since the device doesnt really exist etc |
| 07:10.43 | adb | PepperBob: use adduser |
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| 07:12.41 | PepperBob | adb: i tried that but having windbind on resulted in the same error it was referring to the domain user. but it worked now. |
| 07:15.01 | internat | losetup -d |
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| 07:16.57 | g00se | internat: you mean 'how *it* would do that'? |
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| 07:18.28 | internat | well actually i meant me. |
| 07:18.45 | internat | since the fs doesnt get mounted at boot or anything simular, it would be an on demand fsck |
| 07:19.24 | internat | on that note, brb reboot |
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| 07:22.32 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:23.02 | Agiofws | i have a an old pc 1000mhz celeron ; once i boot 1) i get a cmos inconsistency error ; is my bios chips life ending ? 2) should i reset the bios by taking out the battery ? |
| 07:23.23 | simonrvn | maybe it's just the battery... |
| 07:23.39 | Agiofws | simonrvn, should i replace the bat ? |
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| 07:24.12 | Agiofws | i changed the transformer simonrvn .... on the mobo ... |
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| 07:25.51 | jmoncayo | hey guys, how can i specify a ip range for iptables? $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $DMZIF -s "range" -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:26.43 | zod_ | jmoncayo: use -s ip/mask |
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| 07:27.08 | jmoncayo | zod_: even if it was not subnetted? |
| 07:27.34 | Agiofws | you think it could be wrong voltage from the burnt transformer i replaced ? |
| 07:27.42 | zod_ | jmoncayo: yep |
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| 07:28.40 | g00se | -m iprange --src-range IP-IP -j ACTION or -m iprange --dst-range IP-IP -j ACTION |
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| 07:28.52 | sauvin | Agiofws, are you aware of the #hardware channel? |
| 07:29.31 | jmoncayo | thanks guys |
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| 07:30.58 | PsiKlops | how do i check if my dns is ok? |
| 07:30.59 | yurikoles | how to build pkg-kde from debian svn? |
| 07:32.04 | PsiKlops | because when i do aptitude update it stalls at 99% [waiting for ...] |
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| 07:32.19 | PsiKlops | for more than 5 min. |
| 07:33.05 | pl4yer0ne | PsiKlops, do a DNS lookup |
| 07:33.33 | pl4yer0ne | dig www.google.com for example |
| 07:33.51 | yurikoles | do apt-get update |
| 07:34.08 | yurikoles | adn you will see what server causes problem |
| 07:34.11 | PsiKlops | ok |
| 07:34.34 | yurikoles | maybe its lamereh.com? |
| 07:34.53 | echo-area | Hello. As a system administrator, what is the good practice of updating packages in a system? For example, package B depends package A, what requirements shall A meet to be updated? |
| 07:35.18 | yurikoles | which host new wine versions for debian |
| 07:36.38 | yurikoles | PsiKlop: do you have http://www.lamaresh.net in your sources? |
| 07:37.10 | PsiKlops | no |
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| 07:39.52 | PsiKlops | sourceslist: http://past.debian.net/41406/ |
| 07:39.59 | PsiKlops | sourceslist: http://paste.debian.net/41406/ |
| 07:40.36 | PsiKlops | and dig looks fine |
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| 07:45.28 | phorce1 | PsiKlops: try changing the mirror in sources.list and re-doing the aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 07:45.49 | _george_ | hi guys |
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| 07:46.16 | _george_ | i have a question, is there some way of forcing all http requests to go through a specific http proxy on debian? is there a global proxy setting? |
| 07:46.17 | desynch | hi |
| 07:46.21 | phorce1 | I just did an update using http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ and it went through fine |
| 07:46.32 | desynch | what package should install if i want ssl to be enabled on my browser? |
| 07:46.39 | desynch | ssl-? |
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| 07:47.19 | _george_ | desynch not sure what you mean by this, but when you install your browser it should come with all the needed packages |
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| 07:47.34 | desynch | _george_ a remote browser like links |
| 07:47.36 | _george_ | or are you refering to having a webserver with an https connection? |
| 07:47.45 | PsiKlops | phorce1 it did from se to de, and didnt work, so i now i left out all country codes and it works fine |
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| 07:47.55 | _george_ | remote browser like links? as in something like vnc? |
| 07:48.00 | desynch | lols |
| 07:48.02 | desynch | nvm |
| 07:48.04 | desynch | ty |
| 07:48.18 | _george_ | sorry u r not very clear, anyway was just trying to help :) |
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| 07:48.38 | phorce1 | PsiKlops: ftp.de. ... used to fail a lot for me but ftp2.de. ... has always worked. |
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| 07:49.08 | PsiKlops | phorce1 yoo, merce ;) |
| 07:49.23 | henry-nicolas_ | Hello, does anybody know an equivalent of LooperNG available in Lenny ? (http://www.muthanna.com/looperng/), I'm interessed in the email alert parts (tailing a file and sending alerts) |
| 07:49.37 | phorce1 | really should probably switch back to US mirrors but he got in the habit of using Euro servers when non-free contained crypto that wasn't on US servers |
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| 07:52.53 | Coontacts | If you are sick and tired of dealing with black people AKA NIGGGGGERS then you will love Chimpout.com! Chimpout.com is not a White Supremacist website. We welcome all human races that despise the Feral Negro Beast. All races are welcome except for NEGROIDS! Learn amazing facts about the Negro brain and typical behavior. Don't knock us until you try us! http://www.chimpout.com/forum The alliance of all human races against NIGGGGERS! http://www.chi |
| 07:53.29 | phorce1 | ask a question then leave the channel 4 minutes later. I was about to inform desynch that elinks does ssl out-of-the-box |
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| 07:57.08 | craigevil | by the way he was asking it sounded more like he was wanting ssh but didn't quite know what he wanted |
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| 08:05.52 | ksnp | anyone tell what exact package to install for glib |
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| 08:10.07 | caraconan | Hi. Some 'clean' way to enable pcntl_fork() php5 funcion on debian? http://pastebin.com/m4c9e99a6 does'nt works for me |
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| 08:23.32 | ksnp | anyone having problems trying to connect to http.us.debian.org ? |
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| 08:25.57 | craigevil | ksnp: thats pretty normal thats why i use deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ rather than us.debian.org |
| 08:26.01 | simonrvn | ksnp: so far no-go |
| 08:26.13 | simonrvn | ksnp: bit slow, but ok |
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| 08:26.45 | simonrvn | that's why people should use other mirrors *HINT WITH A 2x4* |
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| 08:29.03 | ksnp | can i put the mirrros into my sources.list ? |
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| 08:30.59 | ksnp | does this slow down also dpkg --configure -a |
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| 08:40.16 | edoreld | Gotta love forgetting I'm connected through SSH to the main company server and executing "reboot" on command line as if it were my own machine |
| 08:41.06 | zod_ | edoreld: install molly-guard |
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| 08:41.42 | edoreld | zod: thanks for the suggestion, was just commenting ^_^ |
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| 08:51.29 | g00se | edoreld: Let's hope it didn't work ;-) |
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| 08:52.17 | edoreld | did, but restarted fine so it all good ^_^ |
| 08:52.26 | edoreld | Had to restart the nfs server though O_o |
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| 09:00.33 | ajavid | hello good morning |
| 09:00.42 | ajavid | Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.0 Server at ws.podzone.org Port 8181 <- I don't want my apache serve to say this |
| 09:00.55 | ajavid | anyone know how to remove this, its being elusive |
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| 09:01.26 | PepperBob | hrm... what would be samba create mask for chmod 664? |
| 09:01.26 | vaq | ajavid: Google "apache server signature" |
| 09:01.37 | PepperBob | should be 664 as well, shouldn't it? |
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| 09:02.18 | ajavid | vaq, I see, it says its suppsoed to be in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but there are no directives ther |
| 09:02.25 | ajavid | ok i'll look this now, thanks man |
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| 09:02.34 | ajavid | ServerSignature Off |
| 09:02.55 | phorce1 | quick cidr question /? covers 79.117.0.0 to 79.117.255.255? |
| 09:03.18 | darkskiez__ | 16 |
| 09:04.47 | PepperBob | mh... that's 0665 - though i do not understand that. |
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| 09:05.00 | phorce1 | darkskiez__: ty. I'm trying to block all of rdsnet.ro and having to pick through using dig. So far it looks like they have at least 79.117.0.0 and 79.114.0.0 |
| 09:05.14 | phorce1 | darkskiez2: ^^ |
| 09:05.50 | jelly | phorce1: find their ASN an duse whois to find all their ranges |
| 09:05.53 | darkskiez2 | route: 79.112.0.0/13 |
| 09:05.53 | darkskiez2 | descr: RDSNET |
| 09:06.25 | phorce1 | aha! |
| 09:06.42 | phorce1 | Thank you both |
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| 09:07.18 | jelly | something like whois -i origin AS8708, but that also shows their customers |
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| 09:09.45 | phorce1 | darkskiez2: what did you use to find that? I was using dig to check the .0.0 addresses and had determined 79.112 to 79.117 before you popped up your reply |
| 09:09.52 | darkskiez2 | whois |
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| 09:12.17 | phorce1 | aha, just pick one of the IPS and read the freakin bottom of the whois response |
| 09:13.20 | phorce1 | s/IPS/IPs/ |
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| 09:15.18 | phorce1 | got hacked a few days ago because he got stupid and never changed the root password he used for installing (an easy to type sequence that's in most dictionary attack files) |
| 09:16.09 | phorce1 | They just used the box to send out spam using a perl script and my ssmtp but they're still trying to log in and it's annoying |
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| 09:19.00 | at0m | phorce1: got a fixed IP address? |
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| 09:19.24 | at0m | or have url linked to it eh |
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| 09:22.31 | phorce1 | at0m: fixed IP, 2 of them actually on this machine |
| 09:22.59 | at0m | phorce1: ew... my account provides 2 IP's, or, switching router's WAN mac switches IP |
| 09:23.14 | at0m | having both compromised is more annoying eh |
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| 09:24.12 | phorce1 | at0m: DSL in one NIC and connected to my T-1 with the other. I'm blocking whole ranges on the T-1 firewall right now. Not sure what I'll do on the DSL side |
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| 09:26.34 | phorce1 | I can manually change both IP's since this machine isn't listed in DNS but the DSL is only a range of 5 IP's to choose from. I have a whole /24 to choose from on the T-1 but I'm firewalling annoying ranges there so it's not a big deal |
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| 09:28.40 | phorce1 | I'm picking through several days of auth.log right now looking for failed attempts with IP addresses to ban. When I've got the T-1 done I'll go poke around in the DSL router configs and see if it has a firewall I can set rules in |
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| 09:32.24 | jony123 | I installed tcl with apt but i can't find where it was installed to... can anyone point me where it was or where to look |
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| 09:40.36 | rgr | debian on my laptop : firefox is not remembering passwords despite the correct "checks".Any idea why this is and what I can do to fix it? (iceweasel) |
| 09:41.36 | klbate | rgr: Are they stored at all? |
| 09:42.03 | rgr | I dont know. They used to be. Now nothing "auto appears" in the forms, |
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| 09:42.26 | rgr | I have reentered them and checked "remember" |
| 09:42.46 | klbate | Check Preferences -> Security -> Saved passwords, you can list all stored passwords there. |
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| 09:45.43 | rgr | empty |
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| 09:45.51 | rgr | as I said, they are not stored. |
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| 09:46.08 | rgr | or should have said! |
| 09:46.23 | rgr | Now, I woder why. The crrect options are set. |
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| 09:53.34 | vzoric | Jul 9 11:51:11 liberty rpc.statd[1690]: recv_rply: can't decode RPC message! |
| 09:53.34 | vzoric | Jul 9 11:51:11 liberty avahi-daemon[1984]: Received packet from invalid interface. |
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| 09:53.38 | Posterdati | please I need help on lenny for xorg (sparc): http://pastebin.com/m475ca310 and http://pastebin.com/m33d7863b |
| 09:53.42 | vzoric | does anyone know what is that? |
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| 09:59.34 | ajavid | I installed the frostwire deb from thier site, and for some reason, when i launch it as user, it can't verify its the correct java version, but as root it works |
| 09:59.38 | ajavid | any ideas |
| 09:59.41 | ajavid | I'm on lenny tw |
| 09:59.43 | ajavid | btw |
| 10:00.16 | psteyn | hi, how would I redirect www.blah.com/whatever to www.bleh.com (without also passing the /whatever) |
| 10:00.27 | psteyn | I currently have: Redirect permanent / www.bleh.com (inside of www.blah.com's vhost) but it passes www.blah.com/whatever to www.bleh.com/whatever I just want www.bleh.com to be the destination |
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| 10:00.55 | OpenTokix | psteyn: make a alias in the cofig for blah.com and redirect to www.bleh.com |
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| 10:01.10 | OpenTokix | config even |
| 10:01.17 | jelly | introduces psteyn to mod_rewrite |
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| 10:05.57 | ronaldprettyman | is their a command to display just the default group |
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| 10:06.39 | psteyn | JeanParpaillon: I currently tried: RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://www.bleh.com |
| 10:07.02 | psteyn | but things still get passed on even though I did not use the RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://www.bleh.com/$1 |
| 10:07.17 | psteyn | I dont wanna pass things on |
| 10:07.34 | ronaldprettyman | thanks found it |
| 10:07.34 | ronaldprettyman | id |
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| 10:18.16 | Ali_h | hi all |
| 10:18.16 | _Brandon_ | hi, anyone knows if it's possible to setup apache with webdav and userdir to use the logged in user permission instead of the www-data user? |
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| 10:18.17 | craigevil | !tell Ali_h about Adboe Flash |
| 10:18.17 | seniorake | how could one figure out the position of a partition in the disk? |
| 10:18.17 | seniorake | i mean where it is located on the physical level, at the outer boundaries or on the inner side of the disk |
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| 10:18.18 | __lilbbt__ | hi |
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| 10:18.49 | __lilbbt__ | i would like to ask some small things, i am realy newie then please don;t laugh to loud |
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| 10:19.11 | __lilbbt__ | how to set static IP |
| 10:19.13 | __lilbbt__ | ? |
| 10:19.38 | __lilbbt__ | debian after install gets IP from dhcp |
| 10:19.44 | __lilbbt__ | but evidently wrong |
| 10:20.10 | __lilbbt__ | i would like to set it manualy |
| 10:20.12 | _Brandon_ | __lilbbt__: you want the gui way or the console way? |
| 10:20.22 | __lilbbt__ | console |
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| 10:20.32 | _Brandon_ | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:20.37 | __lilbbt__ | i am looking to /etc/network/iterfaces |
| 10:20.40 | __lilbbt__ | yes |
| 10:21.42 | seniorake | how could one figure out the position of a partition in the disk? |
| 10:21.43 | _Brandon_ | __lilbbt__: it should look like this http://pastebin.com/df2fb94b |
| 10:21.44 | __lilbbt__ | and when i edited and added some new lines ifconfig didn't show me eth0 anymore :-( |
| 10:21.58 | _Brandon_ | for dns instead you need to edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:22.44 | __lilbbt__ | thank you _Brandon_ for now,let me try what you threw on me |
| 10:23.23 | _Brandon_ | __lilbbt__: but don't delete what's already in the file like the loopback interface |
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| 10:25.53 | __lilbbt__ | yes, i found my problem i typed mask instead of netmask :) |
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| 10:29.29 | Ali_h | !tell Ali_h about Adobe Flash |
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| 10:30.59 | __lilbbt__ | _Brandon_ if i can ask 2 more things |
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| 10:31.35 | __lilbbt__ | when i want to set ssh listering on other port |
| 10:31.41 | __lilbbt__ | where to set it here? |
| 10:32.48 | mrbpar_ | hi lilbbt. you should set that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. |
| 10:32.50 | __lilbbt__ | and i installed debian from "liteCD" hidden after firewall, where installer gave sto ystem wrong IP |
| 10:33.01 | __lilbbt__ | gave to system |
| 10:33.12 | __lilbbt__ | now my IP works in network |
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| 10:33.46 | _Brandon_ | __lilbbt__: as mrbpar_ said the port can be configured in sshd_config |
| 10:34.06 | __lilbbt__ | what to do when i want to update package repository databas? |
| 10:34.08 | __lilbbt__ | e |
| 10:34.26 | _Brandon_ | apt-get update |
| 10:34.28 | __lilbbt__ | yes, i will look to sshd_config, thank you |
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| 10:36.14 | __lilbbt__ | great apt-get works right now |
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| 10:37.02 | __lilbbt__ | ok i see, apt-get update read just cd |
| 10:37.13 | __lilbbt__ | where to set path to online packages? |
| 10:37.25 | __lilbbt__ | i wanna try to install mc eg |
| 10:37.59 | craigevil | __lilbbt__: change your /etc/apt/sources.list comment out the cd/dvd and make sure you have a debian repo listed |
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| 10:38.22 | __lilbbt__ | ok, thank you guys for your wast and useful reply |
| 10:38.38 | __lilbbt__ | wast fast |
| 10:38.44 | __lilbbt__ | :-) |
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| 10:42.14 | __lilbbt__ | hmm and yet, where to set proxy, please? |
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| 10:48.10 | nkuttler | __lilbbt__: man 5 apt.conf |
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| 10:50.42 | __lilbbt__ | ok i will |
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| 11:22.08 | yesitisjustme | when i click on screen resolution the settings are blank anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 11:27.44 | suwro | hello |
| 11:27.48 | __lilbbt__ | ohh this network is horrible, please do anybody of you guys could tell me IP of security.debian.org puter, i am unable to resolve it, thank you much, i hope i wll touch resources :) |
| 11:28.01 | suwro | anyone have clamav 0.95.2 on stable release? |
| 11:28.56 | sep | __lilbbt__, that is unwise. i can now give you the ip of a machine i have prepared with rootkitted packages |
| 11:29.06 | abrotman | suwro: please ask your real question |
| 11:29.13 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: it has more than one first of all |
| 11:29.26 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: and why not fix your dns instead? :) |
| 11:29.28 | fireba11 | __lilbbt__: i suggest fixing DNS resolving :-) |
| 11:29.40 | fireba11 | abrotman: dang you beat me to it :-) |
| 11:30.13 | __lilbbt__ | hehe, i see you guys have pleasure |
| 11:30.20 | suwro | abrotman: the real question is where can I find clamav 0.95.2 on stable release - volatile has 0.95.1 and db wont upgrade any more - it complains that it needs version 0.95.2 |
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| 11:30.41 | __lilbbt__ | well, dns server has lot of rules as seems |
| 11:30.59 | abrotman | suwro: you're using etch ? |
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| 11:31.19 | suwro | no, I'm on lenny |
| 11:31.37 | sep | try resolving opendns ? 208.67.222.222 or gtai.net 4.2.2.1 |
| 11:31.43 | suwro | abrotman: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile stable/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 11:31.56 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: http://www.zoneedit.com/lookup.html |
| 11:32.04 | sep | and check that i did not just give you ip addresses to my prepared server serving you fake addresses for security.debian.org :) |
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| 11:32.15 | __lilbbt__ | abrotman, thank you |
| 11:32.20 | suwro | abrotman: dpkg -l clamav... 0.95.1+dfsg-1volatile2 |
| 11:32.24 | __lilbbt__ | resolv.conf looks fine |
| 11:32.24 | sep | and i dont share my tinfoil hat |
| 11:32.26 | sep | :) |
| 11:32.28 | abrotman | suwro: you could backport it .. but why has it stopped updating ? |
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| 11:32.43 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: what happens if you `host security.debian.org` ? |
| 11:33.06 | __lilbbt__ | command not found :) |
| 11:33.12 | sep | hum ae we sure they are not migrationg to geodns as we speak ? |
| 11:33.49 | suwro | abrotman: in logs say that cant update, due version 0.95.1 upgrade to 0.95.2 |
| 11:34.39 | suwro | abrotman: apt-cache show clamav => Version: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2 |
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| 11:35.35 | edoreld | How do I set the default environment locale from command line? |
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| 11:36.16 | nkuttler | edoreld: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 11:36.51 | edoreld | How, without using dpkg-reconfigure ^_^? |
| 11:37.22 | edoreld | where does it save the locale to be used as default? |
| 11:38.14 | suwro | abrotman: any clue? |
| 11:38.54 | __lilbbt__ | abrotman: W: Failed to fetch http://195.20.242.89dist.... Cannot initiate the connection to 8080:80 (0.0.31.144). connect (22 Invalid argument) |
| 11:39.39 | suwro | abrotman: in backports I found only some scripts to upgrade clamav signature, no clamav 0.95.2 |
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| 11:40.27 | __lilbbt__ | all i need is to install apache, php5, sqlite, screen and punbb |
| 11:40.38 | negge | When I log in via SSH I can see the "Last successful login". However, now I need to know from where the next last succesfull login was from, how do I do that? |
| 11:40.45 | negge | like the login before the last login |
| 11:40.46 | __lilbbt__ | any chance to get is as solid file package? |
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| 11:41.28 | G69 | deseja um bom dia a todos |
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| 11:41.35 | loevgaard | I am trying to install imagick on my debian server, however, I keep getting the error: "Class 'Imagick' not found". I have looked everywhere on google now. I use ISP Config 2. Can anyone help me with this problem? |
| 11:42.11 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: that's a proxy problem |
| 11:42.25 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: can you put your sources.list in a pastebin? |
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| 11:42.46 | abrotman | suwro: nope, other than backporting it yourself .. |
| 11:43.16 | suwro | abrotman: thank you |
| 11:43.30 | abrotman | suwro: see if there's a contact email for debian-volatile |
| 11:43.35 | abrotman | suwro: actually .. let me look |
| 11:43.37 | __lilbbt__ | abrotman: no, but i can paste these 2 lines here |
| 11:43.42 | abrotman | fine |
| 11:44.08 | __lilbbt__ | deb http://195.20.242.89 lenny/updates main |
| 11:44.17 | __lilbbt__ | deb-src http://195.20.242.89 lenny/updates main |
| 11:44.18 | abrotman | suwro: email them http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 11:44.26 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: that's all you have ? |
| 11:44.31 | __lilbbt__ | yes |
| 11:44.42 | abrotman | __lilbbt__: but your ISP has a proxy ? |
| 11:44.45 | __lilbbt__ | 2 lines above link to cdrom: |
| 11:44.50 | __lilbbt__ | yes |
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| 11:45.00 | abrotman | and have you set the proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 11:45.04 | __lilbbt__ | yes |
| 11:45.31 | sdc | if anyone has an i7 cpu, could he paste me in pm his cat /proc/cpuinfo output? thanks |
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| 11:45.43 | __lilbbt__ | abrotman: but this proxy is doubled |
| 11:45.49 | __lilbbt__ | it might be that problem |
| 11:45.58 | __lilbbt__ | this proxy is connected to next proxy |
| 11:46.10 | abrotman | oh awesome |
| 11:46.13 | abrotman | sdc: you could probably google that? |
| 11:46.25 | __lilbbt__ | i will try connect directly to higher proxy |
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| 11:48.32 | zeitsofa | hello :) i like to use psad. It's installed and deamon are running. psad sends me an email, i have to setup an iptables rule with "iptables -A INPUT -j LOG" but the command prints error "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name". how can i fix this? |
| 11:48.43 | edoreld | If I want to see what files are changed after running a command, how would I go about it? |
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| 11:49.10 | suwro | abrotman: I found this http://www.mail-archive.com/pkg-clamav-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg00632.html |
| 11:49.17 | asg | zeitsofa: make sure you have the correct module loaded for logging |
| 11:49.22 | suwro | abrotman: so I guess I have to wait a little bit longer... |
| 11:49.43 | zeitsofa | asg: module of ...? iptables? |
| 11:49.49 | abrotman | suwro: might want to ding them again .. it's been over two weeks |
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| 11:49.58 | asg | zeitsofa: yes, lsmod | grep ipt_LOG |
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| 11:54.15 | Charles_Ding | hello |
| 11:54.24 | Charles_Ding | anyone install debian in vpc2007? |
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| 11:54.44 | Charles_Ding | debian-502-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 11:54.52 | Charles_Ding | I have install this in vpc2007 but failed |
| 11:55.01 | abrotman | failed? |
| 11:55.34 | Charles_Ding | yes |
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| 11:55.50 | Charles_Ding | the vpc2007 said uncaught exception and then terminal |
| 11:56.01 | abrotman | this is MS VirtualPC ? |
| 11:56.04 | mjt | what's vpc? |
| 11:56.08 | Charles_Ding | yes |
| 11:56.17 | Charles_Ding | it's microsoft virtual pc 2007 |
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| 11:56.57 | rpetre | hello, i'm having somewhat of a political problem in my company, we're being told by the management that debian 'is not enterprise-ready' and stuff and we're getting pressed to migrate to rh/centos. are there any large debian installs that i can present to the powers that be before i abandon the fight? |
| 11:57.09 | mjt | i guess no one tried installing debian on a windows virtual pc |
| 11:57.22 | abrotman | rpetre: how is centos any better than debian ? |
| 11:57.23 | mjt | certainly it wasn't tested |
| 11:57.35 | Charles_Ding | ok, but i have tried debian 3 sarge, successfully, but now i dont have that iso |
| 11:57.46 | abrotman | rpetre: and you're going to ahve to better define 'large debian installs' |
| 11:57.53 | Charles_Ding | Centos is slowly than debian, I think, abrotman |
| 11:57.54 | abrotman | !cd archive |
| 11:57.55 | dpkg | A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 11:58.02 | rpetre | abrotman: apparently the suits have the impression that being a RH clone it's better supported |
| 11:58.19 | abrotman | supported by .. who? |
| 11:58.23 | asg | rpetre: tell them that if they need support, they can get it from HP |
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| 11:59.37 | rpetre | i'm not really sure what's their angle, maybe they plan to be bought at some point and think that a enterprise-approved infrastructure might help |
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| 12:00.32 | rpetre | they asked if there are any large known datacenters using debian |
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| 12:01.03 | abrotman | rpetre: there are tons of hosting companies using them |
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| 12:01.32 | rpetre | any pretty pictures links and/or articles? |
| 12:01.34 | Suppermann | Is there a way to moun ccd/img/sub files as a cd? |
| 12:01.35 | asg | rpetre: dreamhost.com, for example |
| 12:01.42 | abrotman | rpetre: i'm looking for the list |
| 12:01.46 | rpetre | thanks |
| 12:02.00 | Charles_Ding | mount only support partition i think |
| 12:02.15 | rpetre | this should be more visible on the debian.org site or at least the wiki, i think |
| 12:02.22 | zeitsofa | asg: thx a lot. the server i want to use psad is a vserver. and the support hotline means this modules isn't available :/ |
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| 12:02.44 | loevgaard | is there a tool in debian I can use to analyze my server performance? My server is very slow at the moment and I cant figure out why... |
| 12:03.04 | asg | loevgaard: top, vmstat, iostat, and 100 other things |
| 12:03.19 | abrotman | rpetre: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 12:03.55 | m2rt | Hey, I installed windows xp to a machine where debian exists already. It wrote over the mbr and installed windows bootloader. I installed grub on windows drive and made the windows bootloader load grub. Now how should I configure the menu.lst file so it would load debian? How can I find out the partition? (hd0,0) or something. And where is the debian kernel located. |
| 12:04.03 | abrotman | rpetre: there are also large Unis that use it (if that counts as enterprise) |
| 12:04.06 | rpetre | abrotman: nice, but i'd like some testimonials like 'we have thousands of servers' and stuff |
| 12:04.26 | asg | loevgaard: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/top-linux-monitoring-tools.html |
| 12:04.27 | loevgaard | asg, can u mention a few? I know top and vmstat. How do I install iostat? |
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| 12:04.38 | Charles_Ding | apt-get |
| 12:04.38 | loevgaard | thanks asg :) |
| 12:04.54 | abrotman | rpetre: i can only tell you to contact those people .. i haven't ever seen a 'testimonial' .. though i'd probably skip that sort of news anyways |
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| 12:05.49 | rpetre | there used to be some sort of public relations department in debian, iirc |
| 12:05.49 | yesitisjustme | when i click system, preference, screen resolution, resolution and refresh rate is blank anyone know what is wrong? |
| 12:05.50 | abrotman | rpetre: you could also mention that it's the second most widely used distro (ubuntu is first) .. and it has more distros based on it than any other distro .. ? |
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| 12:06.06 | rpetre | yes, tried it, no cookie |
| 12:06.30 | Phil4 | I have a box whose file system keeps going readonly - any idea where the cause of this would be logged? |
| 12:06.35 | abrotman | rpetre: ask your bosses what qualifies them to make technical decisions? |
| 12:06.48 | rpetre | new CTO :) |
| 12:08.11 | asg | Phil4: /var/log/kern.log ; /var/log/syslog |
| 12:08.14 | loevgaard | asg, how do I install iostat? |
| 12:08.29 | rpetre | anyway, i'm currently doing some centos installs for tests, everything looks so retarded, i have barely touched rh-style distros in the last 5 years |
| 12:08.31 | asg | loevgaard: the sysstat package iirc |
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| 12:09.34 | Phil4 | http://pastebin.com/m33963b26 <-- that's from dmesg |
| 12:09.36 | Phil4 | any idea why? :S |
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| 12:10.34 | asg | Phil4: journal corruption. Reboot and force a fsck of the filesystem |
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| 12:10.46 | rpetre | yay, i found http://www.debian.org/users/ |
| 12:10.48 | Phil4 | k |
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| 12:11.35 | Phil4 | that's by touching forcefsck in the root of the FS isn't it, asg? |
| 12:11.39 | Phil4 | sorry, it's been a while |
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| 12:12.52 | asg | Phil4: yes |
| 12:13.01 | Phil4 | bit of an issue since it's RO |
| 12:13.02 | Phil4 | lol |
| 12:13.09 | Phil4 | rebooting to get it into RW for long enough to write i |
| 12:13.10 | Phil4 | t |
| 12:13.29 | rpetre | Phil4: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 12:13.51 | rpetre | but you can do fsck while it's mounted ro |
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| 12:16.25 | doubt91 | how to have a filemanager system in debian and acces from windows client like exchange |
| 12:18.00 | PepperBob | doubt91: ? |
| 12:18.02 | nkuttler | doubt91: filemanager as in access files? |
| 12:18.12 | doubt91 | like samba |
| 12:18.33 | nkuttler | doubt91: what can't samba do you need? |
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| 12:19.14 | doubt91 | samba its poor |
| 12:19.19 | doubt91 | i want like windows files |
| 12:19.23 | doubt91 | with a lot of rights |
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| 12:19.46 | fireba11 | doubt91: you can have that in samba you know |
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| 12:20.01 | doubt91 | yes but i need a lot of rights |
| 12:20.06 | doubt91 | all rights in a smb.conf? |
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| 12:21.17 | Raven007 | doubt91: please specify some of the "alot" of rights you need |
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| 12:22.01 | doubt91 | mmm one folder and in this folder about 5000 folders and 10.000 docs and excels. And 800 users and groups with differnets acces rights. |
| 12:23.11 | mjt | so what's the problem? be it 800 users of 8 or 8000... |
| 12:24.14 | doubt91 | how to config the rights |
| 12:24.36 | mjt | you can use traditional unix owners/groups, or ACLs |
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| 12:25.15 | mjt | using groups is probably the best, but really depends on the usage pattern. |
| 12:25.33 | Raven007 | oh, so it's no diversity, is only pure numbers |
| 12:25.49 | doubt91 | i want ACL |
| 12:25.55 | mjt | so use acl |
| 12:25.57 | doubt91 | groups is not the good solution for the folders |
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| 12:26.04 | doubt91 | acl in samba? |
| 12:26.08 | mjt | it depends on usage pattern |
| 12:26.19 | Raven007 | samba is the software |
| 12:26.25 | Raven007 | SMB/CIFS are the FSs |
| 12:26.37 | abrotman | rpetre: oh, that's a handy link :) |
| 12:26.37 | Raven007 | you're reffering to FS acls ? |
| 12:26.45 | mjt | if you can group your files by directories so that each file in one dir should be of the same rights, groups may be better than ACLs |
| 12:26.51 | doubt91 | what means FS? |
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| 12:27.00 | rpetre | abrotman: yup, not very meaty though, but i hope it'll do |
| 12:27.09 | Raven007 | s/FSs/protocols |
| 12:27.17 | doubt91 | what' |
| 12:27.23 | mjt | samba supports ACLs |
| 12:27.27 | doubt91 | ok |
| 12:27.30 | Raven007 | doubt91: filesystems |
| 12:27.34 | mjt | and one can edit ACLs from within windows |
| 12:27.37 | doubt91 | but i need ever configure the smb.conf for the rights? |
| 12:27.41 | Raven007 | ext3/4, ntfs |
| 12:27.46 | Raven007 | acls at that level ? |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | rpetre: well, it's also on a volunteer basis .. my company uses debian, but we're not listed |
| 12:27.56 | rpetre | i know |
| 12:28.13 | doubt91 | mmm |
| 12:28.19 | doubt91 | one dobut |
| 12:28.30 | rpetre | i also imagine that the corporate examples my bosses want are not really publicizing their infrastructure |
| 12:28.36 | doubt91 | If you have a company and the company is in 8 countries and want to share ALL files |
| 12:28.41 | doubt91 | whichi is the bes solution? |
| 12:28.44 | abrotman | vpn |
| 12:28.49 | rpetre | lol |
| 12:28.54 | Raven007 | a worm ? |
| 12:29.01 | rpetre | windows :) |
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| 12:29.04 | fireba11 | *rofl* |
| 12:29.14 | abrotman | rpetre: right .. i doubt someone like Bank of America would advertise it if they were |
| 12:29.18 | doubt91 | whitouth vpn |
| 12:29.18 | maligor | heh, nice new keysyms: XF86KbdBrightnessUp |
| 12:29.26 | mjt | there are many solutions available, again depends on the usage pattern |
| 12:29.34 | abrotman | there used to be a guy coming in all the time with a walmart.com hostmask |
| 12:29.35 | mjt | but vpn is a must |
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| 12:29.39 | rpetre | yeah, that frustrates me the most, it's a loaded question |
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| 12:29.41 | doubt91 | i am betwween samba, webdav... |
| 12:29.43 | maligor | I wonder if that means keyboard backlight |
| 12:29.50 | abrotman | doubt91: you're going to open samba on the internet ? |
| 12:29.54 | doubt91 | yes |
| 12:29.59 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 12:30.03 | doubt91 | yes |
| 12:30.09 | abrotman | no, really? |
| 12:30.12 | Phil4 | any idea where the results of an fsck check is logged to? |
| 12:30.16 | rpetre | can i haz ip, please? :) |
| 12:30.30 | mjt | Phil4: they don't |
| 12:30.30 | abrotman | doubt91: you're doing a great disservice to your company if you don't use a vpn |
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| 12:30.40 | Phil4 | hrmmm, fun |
| 12:30.42 | doubt91 | its dangerous a samba? |
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| 12:30.49 | Raven007 | doubt91: you're from IN ? |
| 12:30.57 | doubt91 | in? |
| 12:30.58 | Phil4 | well I guess I'll just have to wait and see if it goes read-only again |
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| 12:31.12 | abrotman | doubt91: it's just not a very secure way to share files over the internet |
| 12:31.16 | rpetre | Phil4: on what filesystem do you want the output saved? :) |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | Raven007: no, he's spanish |
| 12:31.30 | Raven007 | doubt91: lemme askt you this - can I have access to your company files ? |
| 12:31.42 | doubt91 | no |
| 12:31.44 | Phil4 | /boot is the only other filesystem, rpetre |
| 12:31.46 | doubt91 | you dont have password |
| 12:31.48 | abrotman | doubt91: please use a VPN |
| 12:31.53 | Raven007 | doubt91: so , how do you prevent that? |
| 12:32.06 | doubt91 | you donw know the usera nad password |
| 12:32.10 | Raven007 | :) |
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| 12:32.27 | rpetre | Phil4: then it's no general solution to save the results, but you could fsck -v | tee /boot/log.txt |
| 12:32.35 | rpetre | or something |
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| 12:33.25 | rpetre | doubt91: samba is a really insecure protocol, it should not be used in public networks |
| 12:33.39 | doubt91 | and werbdav? |
| 12:34.02 | rpetre | over ssl, as long as you do proper PKI |
| 12:34.17 | rpetre | possibly more trouble than it's worth imho |
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| 12:34.33 | rpetre | vpn between locations helps a lot of other things |
| 12:34.52 | fireba11 | VPN between different company branches is a must |
| 12:34.55 | doubt91 | but i want only to mapped a unit in you pc |
| 12:35.05 | doubt91 | not to connect to remote pc |
| 12:35.12 | rpetre | ... |
| 12:35.39 | rpetre | this just reopened my appetite for centos |
| 12:36.17 | doubt91 | ? |
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| 12:37.26 | abrotman | doubt91: why don't you want to use VPN ? |
| 12:37.32 | abrotman | rpetre: why? |
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| 12:37.56 | doubt91 | because i need a groupware aplication to share calendare etc... |
| 12:37.59 | rpetre | i think i can convince easier centos to listen to me |
| 12:38.02 | doubt91 | and have a filemanager but its little |
| 12:38.04 | rpetre | instead of him |
| 12:38.16 | doubt91 | and i never used a vpn |
| 12:38.21 | abrotman | rpetre: never give up! |
| 12:38.30 | rpetre | vpns are evil!!!11 |
| 12:38.36 | doubt91 | and the server is linux |
| 12:38.40 | doubt91 | and its paid |
| 12:39.07 | abrotman | what does that have to do with not using a VPN ? |
| 12:39.15 | rpetre | abrotman: i'm forwarding what i found out to the leaders of the debian resistance |
| 12:39.16 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:39.31 | rpetre | i'll let you know how it went |
| 12:39.50 | rpetre | worst case, is someone interested in a few romanian debian sysadmins? :D |
| 12:40.17 | Raven007 | :) |
| 12:41.10 | doubt91 | now i am using users in a mysql database, and webdav that store files in a non public directory and the name and extension of files are stored in a database |
| 12:41.23 | doubt91 | and the php aplication do a vritual file manager |
| 12:41.30 | doubt91 | because its not real. |
| 12:41.40 | Raven007 | doubt91: your problem is at a lower level |
| 12:41.50 | Raven007 | not application |
| 12:41.51 | doubt91 | lower level of? |
| 12:41.55 | doubt91 | ahh ok |
| 12:42.01 | Raven007 | connectivity |
| 12:42.14 | doubt91 | yes.. but |
| 12:42.18 | doubt91 | if i mount a vpn |
| 12:42.23 | Raven007 | with VPN you solve that |
| 12:42.29 | doubt91 | you can only mapped in window s a folder? |
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| 12:42.51 | Raven007 | you can consider that all your company's locations are in the same lan |
| 12:43.01 | Raven007 | this cuts off the majority of your problems |
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| 12:43.29 | fireba11 | including most security issues |
| 12:43.35 | Raven007 | more than that, it multiplies the options at app level |
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| 12:44.15 | Raven007 | doubt91: you want to map a volume over <something> |
| 12:44.27 | doubt91 | uploading in internet the all files of a company its no good idea |
| 12:44.28 | Raven007 | we're telling you that <something> should be VPN |
| 12:44.36 | doubt91 | over windows |
| 12:44.48 | doubt91 | like a server in lan |
| 12:44.49 | Raven007 | lemme try again |
| 12:45.12 | Raven007 | with VPN, you'll see your computers in your network neighborhood :) |
| 12:45.24 | Raven007 | if it's configured that way ... |
| 12:45.35 | doubt91 | and the server |
| 12:45.39 | doubt91 | can become in linux? |
| 12:45.40 | Raven007 | and the server |
| 12:45.41 | doubt91 | the fileserver |
| 12:45.46 | Raven007 | everything is one big LAN |
| 12:45.47 | doubt91 | for the speed |
| 12:46.08 | doubt91 | my country the speeed is poor but the dedicated server is faster |
| 12:46.11 | Raven007 | the speed depends on your internet connections |
| 12:46.21 | doubt91 | yes, download its good upload no. |
| 12:46.26 | doubt91 | 30kb/s |
| 12:46.27 | Raven007 | you might put several fileservers |
| 12:46.33 | doubt91 | download 700kb/s |
| 12:46.34 | Raven007 | maybe one in each location |
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| 12:46.46 | doubt91 | upload one file about 5mb its 3 minutes |
| 12:46.47 | doubt91 | or more. |
| 12:47.00 | doubt91 | thanksssss |
| 12:47.09 | Raven007 | doubt91: read about "distributed filesystems" |
| 12:47.11 | doubt91 | i go to work |
| 12:47.34 | Raven007 | or more, just a simple solution of keeping files/volumes in sync |
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| 12:47.47 | Raven007 | ok, gogo |
| 12:47.52 | lfuser-136 | hello everyone googling brought me here... i am a newbie on linux but i am using debian 5 as a starting point. |
| 12:47.52 | doubt91 | what? |
| 12:47.58 | Raven007 | remember : don't put company files on the net |
| 12:48.21 | doubt91 | but |
| 12:48.25 | doubt91 | if i use vpn in the net |
| 12:48.25 | doubt91 | yes |
| 12:48.44 | doubt91 | ? |
| 12:48.48 | Raven007 | yes |
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| 12:49.38 | redspike | Anyone know if there is any newer cups packages for lenny? i have big problems to write from java applets :( |
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| 12:50.31 | TPC | hello, I have debian installed on a system with low disk space, and /var/cache/apt is taking up 100 megs even when all arcives are deleted |
| 12:50.45 | TPC | is there some way to reduce the size of that dir while still being able to use apt-get? |
| 12:51.15 | Raven007 | TPC : aptitude clean |
| 12:51.15 | OpenTokix | apt-get clean |
| 12:51.28 | TPC | that deletes the archives, like I said, I already di that |
| 12:51.47 | MoDaX | TPC: it can be empty but the 'lock' file |
| 12:52.26 | MoDaX | TPC: probably you have some stuff in partitial subdir |
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| 12:52.46 | \amethyst | TPC: does ls -ld /var/cache/apt say the directory itself is huge? |
| 12:52.49 | TPC | no, whats taking up space is pkgcache.bin srcpkgcache.bin, 3 copies of each (one in the dir, one in the amd64/ dir, and one in the i386/ dir) |
| 12:53.27 | Raven007 | TPC: maybe you want to clean some of your repos |
| 12:53.30 | TPC | I don't need to use source packages, and I don't have deb-src in my sources.list, so why would there be a cache of that? |
| 12:53.55 | Raven007 | aptitude update; aptitude clean |
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| 12:54.18 | \amethyst | Raven007: he already did that |
| 12:54.31 | MoDaX | TPC: it is odd there are 3 copies of each |
| 12:54.32 | Raven007 | maybe w/o "update" first ... |
| 12:54.40 | MoDaX | TPC: do you have ia32-apt-get installed? |
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| 12:55.04 | TPC | MoDaX, yes |
| 12:55.06 | EE_BB | hii all How Can I see which process causing the most io |
| 12:55.16 | MoDaX | TPC: then get rid of that hack |
| 12:55.30 | TPC | can I still install ia32 packages without it? |
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| 12:55.33 | \amethyst | EE_BB: iotop from the package of the same name |
| 12:55.40 | TPC | I need some ia32 libraries for wine |
| 12:55.48 | EE_BB | another ? |
| 12:55.54 | EE_BB | is there command ? |
| 12:56.08 | EE_BB | like built in |
| 12:56.16 | EE_BB | linux |
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| 12:56.19 | MoDaX | TPC: no, but that does not change the fact that package is hack. and those 3 copies prove that |
| 12:56.34 | \amethyst | EE_BB: not that I know of |
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| 12:56.49 | TPC | I think I'll just mount a tmpfs at /var/cache/apt, I have more free ram than I do free disk space :P |
| 12:56.50 | rpetre | EE_BB: iotop is what you want, unless you're very familiar with talking directly to the kernel |
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| 12:57.11 | \amethyst | EE_BB: I mean, you can write a script that looks in /proc/*/io twice, one second apart, and looks for the maximum change in rchar and wchar |
| 12:57.20 | \amethyst | EE_BB: which is, I presume, what iotop does |
| 12:57.32 | antixogh | i just installed lenny is there a newer kernel package? and what should i expect if i get 2.6.30.1 installed? |
| 12:57.44 | antixogh | i'm using grub2 also |
| 12:58.10 | Raven007 | antixogh: maybe you want to enable unstable/experimental repos |
| 12:58.16 | MoDaX | TPC: I believe important info is stored is that DB like which packages were automatically installed. not a very good idea to mount on tmpfs |
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| 12:58.35 | TPC | MoDaX, oh |
| 12:58.48 | MoDaX | I might be wrong though |
| 12:59.05 | DerDui | Hi Guys, i wanna install Debian Lenny on my Acer Travlemate 4100 notebook. Now i would like to know if my w-lan adapter (intel ipw 2200bg) runs without problems, or do i have tot do anything? under ubuntu 9.04 i have no problems. |
| 12:59.06 | ranix | antixogh: are you after 2.6.30 for a specific wireless card problem? |
| 12:59.11 | darkskiez2 | iceweasel doesnt start when im using matchbox window manager, it just hangs :( |
| 12:59.35 | ComradeHaz | [13:30:16] <rpetre> can i haz ip, please? :) <-- no, sir, you "haz" a spelling affliction. |
| 12:59.48 | antixogh | does the kernel have a lot of depends? i mean is it going to hose the rest of my system and put me fully into "unstable"? |
| 12:59.48 | rpetre | DerDui: you may need to install a firmware package from non-free, i think |
| 12:59.56 | antixogh | no wireless problems |
| 12:59.59 | ranix | ComradeHaz <--haz |
| 13:00.05 | rpetre | ComradeHaz: i'll work on my lolcat, thanks |
| 13:00.12 | ComradeHaz | ;) |
| 13:00.14 | ranix | antixogh: no, the kernel has few depends |
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| 13:00.24 | DerDui | thanks rpetre and were do i find the version of my driver? |
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| 13:00.37 | ComradeHaz | so many people type it accross the chanels I'm in. I get highlighted all over teh place, it's doing my head in :D |
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| 13:00.49 | rpetre | DerDui: it's a package, ipw-firmware-something |
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| 13:00.58 | antixogh | i was just reading a benchmark, and it apeared to be fast than 2.6.26-2 from what i gathered |
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| 13:01.17 | antixogh | alright thanks |
| 13:01.24 | Suppermann | Does anyone know how to moun a .ccd/.img/.sub cd-image? |
| 13:01.42 | DerDui | ok, so i should type "apt-cache search ipw2200 firmware? |
| 13:02.08 | TPC | any other ideas that could reduce space? I've already cleaned out things with localepurge and deleted any packages I don't need with debfoster |
| 13:02.37 | rpetre | DerDui: firmware-ipw2x00 - Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915 |
| 13:03.17 | DerDui | oki, thanks:) |
| 13:03.56 | rpetre | TPC: what's the storage size you have? |
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| 13:04.09 | TPC | rpetre, 2GB |
| 13:04.14 | rpetre | oh |
| 13:04.16 | antixogh | which is better for an athlon xp 486 or 686? |
| 13:04.18 | TPC | my hdd is broken, so I'm running of a usb stick |
| 13:04.23 | rpetre | i was expecting 16M :) |
| 13:04.24 | TPC | until I can get a new one |
| 13:04.29 | rahsputin | 686 |
| 13:04.35 | antixogh | thanks |
| 13:05.09 | TPC | its currently has 240mb free, the space is taken up by dependencies for some desktop apps I need |
| 13:05.11 | rpetre | you should delete some of your pr0n, i think |
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| 13:05.28 | TPC | my /home is an external hdd that has a few GB free |
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| 13:05.56 | \amethyst | TPC: you could put /var on the external disk |
| 13:06.05 | TPC | I suppose |
| 13:06.36 | TPC | but the usb connection to the external hdd isn't stable, it goes down a few times a day so I have to remount it |
| 13:06.37 | abrotman | TPC: deleted .gz logs? apt-get clean ? |
| 13:06.43 | rpetre | TPC: you surely have about 1G of unnecessary stuff |
| 13:07.17 | TPC | abrotman, yes, in fact I shut down rsyslog to disable logging |
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| 13:07.39 | abrotman | TPC: du -sh /* |
| 13:08.55 | TPC | my biggest space users are /var at 253mb and /usr at 1131 mb |
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| 13:09.19 | TPC | in /usr the bulk of it is it is in /usr/lib, I don't see how I could reduce space there |
| 13:09.27 | rpetre | uninstall stuff |
| 13:09.31 | TPC | I already have |
| 13:09.35 | abrotman | TPC: have you tried deborphan ?> |
| 13:09.46 | TPC | no, but debfoster, which does the same and more |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | not quite |
| 13:10.06 | rpetre | there was a utility that measured the biggest packages |
| 13:10.10 | TPC | it does if you set up debfoster.conf correctly |
| 13:10.11 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 13:10.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 13:10.19 | ranix | chomp! |
| 13:10.20 | rpetre | debhogs or debpigs os something |
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| 13:10.27 | abrotman | TPC: and there's the problem .. it has to be setup .. try `deborphan` and `deborphan -a` |
| 13:10.59 | DerDui | an other principle question. i had the idea switching to the original debian, because my notebook is permanently hanging, when i give him some jobs to do. do You think lenny would change it? is lenny a bit more lightweigt? |
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| 13:11.05 | TPC | but I did set it up, I've been using debfoster for years |
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| 13:11.16 | TPC | besides, I doubt there are many obselete libs, this system is only 3 weeks old |
| 13:11.25 | abrotman | you'd be surprised |
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| 13:11.30 | rpetre | TPC: uninstall gnome and kde, then |
| 13:11.32 | abrotman | and deborphan -a also does programs |
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| 13:11.54 | \amethyst | TPC: do you have 'gnome' installed (as opposed to 'gnome-desktop-environment' or 'gnome-core')? |
| 13:12.17 | TPC | \amethyst, no, I use ion3 as my window manager |
| 13:12.33 | abrotman | watches tuomov throw a hissy fit |
| 13:12.35 | glasyalabolis | can anyone tell me why I only have a minimize button and no close or maximize buttons on all of my windows? |
| 13:12.35 | TPC | so I don't have any of those |
| 13:12.41 | rpetre | my favorite trick for this is to keep most of the packages marked as auto in aptitude (and uncheck the install-recommends option) |
| 13:12.47 | abrotman | glasyalabolis: that's the theme you chose? |
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| 13:13.32 | abrotman | rpetre: you can set that in your apt preferences |
| 13:13.32 | TPC | I edited the apt config not to install recommends when i first installed the system |
| 13:13.32 | rpetre | yup |
| 13:13.43 | glasyalabolis | abrotman: no, it's not my theme |
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| 13:14.30 | abrotman | he could always trash /usr/share/doc/ :) |
| 13:14.34 | TPC | one thing I could save space on is uninstalling postgresql (which I installed temporarily to test something), but it won't uninstall because I deleted the /var/lib/postgresql/ dir, which it doesn't like |
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| 13:15.02 | abrotman | TPC: so you're not going to use deborphan at all ? |
| 13:15.18 | TPC | I'll try it, but deborphan won't run until I can uninstall postgresql |
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| 13:15.24 | TPC | "One or more packages are marked as half-installed, half-configured |
| 13:15.25 | TPC | " |
| 13:15.34 | abrotman | so .. mkdir /var/lib/postgresql/ .. |
| 13:15.43 | __lilbbt__ | mr. abrotman: i tried higher proxy and got this: Could not conncet to 195.20.242.89:80 (195.20.242.89). connect (113 No route to host) |
| 13:15.53 | TPC | it needs the actual database files created that are created during the postgresql install or it won't uninstall |
| 13:16.12 | abrotman | TPC: is it an error in the postrm ? |
| 13:16.27 | \amethyst | TPC: does pg_dropcluster 8.3 main work and let you uninstall it? |
| 13:16.28 | abrotman | you could put an 'exit 0' after the shebang in the postrm or prerm .. whichever is dying |
| 13:17.43 | TPC | \amethyst, yep, that did it, thanks |
| 13:18.50 | TPC | is there a good burner program with less dependencies than k3b? If I get rid of that I can get rid of kdebase/kdelibs/qt |
| 13:19.07 | abrotman | xcdroast? |
| 13:19.08 | TPC | I just need to be able to burn .iso's and other raw disk images |
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| 13:19.19 | abrotman | you could just use wodim if that's all you want to do |
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| 13:19.52 | abrotman | !burniso |
| 13:19.52 | dpkg | hmm... burniso is wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 13:20.03 | TPC | that should work |
| 13:20.09 | TPC | will that work with non-iso images as well? |
| 13:20.21 | TPC | raw images that I want to burn exactly as they are |
| 13:21.07 | abrotman | not sure what you mean by 'raw image' .. but you could use mkisofs for filesystem bits |
| 13:21.18 | TPC | I mean gamcube game dumps |
| 13:21.31 | abrotman | oh .. no idea .. maybe .. i don't have a gamecube |
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| 13:21.58 | abrotman | i thought you meant like a raw HDD image oyu might use for testing with something like qemu |
| 13:22.30 | Gratz474 | ok i need to install java again |
| 13:22.49 | TPC | I guess I'll find out |
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| 13:23.08 | linduxed | is there a command that shows all the boxes on the LAN? |
| 13:23.40 | abrotman | show them how? |
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| 13:23.55 | tryfan | Hi all, I'm trying to re-compile openssh 5.1 from lenny on sarge (yeah, I know it sucks) and when I run dpkg-buildpackage, it returns a bunch of "dirent.h present but cannot be compiled" among other header files. Running a straight ./configure from the build directory yields no errors at all |
| 13:24.01 | abrotman | Gratz474: apt-cache search java jdk .. pick one to install |
| 13:24.09 | saloo | hey im trying to use debootstrap to install debian on a cf card... while installation process i get following message "W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times." |
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| 13:24.15 | abrotman | tryfan: jebus .. why ? |
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| 13:24.50 | abrotman | tryfan: how are you trying to rebuild it ? |
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| 13:24.55 | TPC | with postgresql, k3b and its dependencies removed, and /usr/share/doc moved to the external hdd and mounted in its orignal location with mount --bind i now have 412mb free, which is enough for what I need |
| 13:24.59 | TPC | thanks for the help |
| 13:25.03 | Gratz474 | openjdk-6-jre this one abrotman ? |
| 13:25.03 | tryfan | abrotman: unfortunately, it's a job thing, I can't upgrade the boxes without flying a couple thousand kms |
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| 13:25.11 | abrotman | Gratz474: that should work |
| 13:25.15 | ranix | tryfan: do you see a line that says "checking dirent.h usability... no |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | tryfan: it'd be less painful :) |
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| 13:25.20 | ranix | in ./configure? |
| 13:25.20 | tryfan | abrotman: I downloaded 5.1 source for lenny |
| 13:25.24 | tryfan | ranix: yeah that's it |
| 13:25.26 | DEBUNTU73 | IM LOOKING FOR A CLI TOOL... that would report me the source device or source residence "storage volume" of a filename or dirname, so that I would not need to do "mount" and lots of "ls -lad" to find out where it actualy comes from. Is there such a tool or command available already ? |
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| 13:25.42 | abrotman | tryfan: have you tried something like using the deb-src line and doing it that way ? |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | !sb |
| 13:25.43 | dpkg | well, sound blaster is a family of sound cards produced by Creative Technology (aka Creative Labs). http://opensource.creative.com. Ask me about <sblive>, <sblivedell>, <extigy>, <x-fi>, <sblive spdif>, <sblive install>, |
| 13:25.46 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 13:25.46 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 13:25.48 | tryfan | ./configure is fine, but when dpkg runs it, it says dirent.h isn't usable |
| 13:25.48 | abrotman | that one! |
| 13:25.55 | linduxed | abrotman: well the thing is that the network is mostly populated by windows boxes, but then there is my computer that is called "sandbox" (for instance) and then there is a debian server that is called "master". is there a command that shows those two names (among others) and info about them (such as IPs) |
| 13:25.56 | ranix | tryfan: do you have build-essential? |
| 13:26.04 | \amethyst | DEBUNTU73: blkid |
| 13:26.22 | ranix | tryfan: you may need linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:26.25 | \amethyst | DEBUNTU73: it will show you the UUID, the label, and the FS type |
| 13:26.29 | saloo | somebody knows why this could happen? |
| 13:26.33 | tryfan | ranix: I've got the linux headers |
| 13:26.35 | abrotman | linduxed: so you basically want to ping all the hosts on the network to get their name ? |
| 13:26.39 | tryfan | they're 2.4 though |
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| 13:26.44 | \amethyst | DEBUNTU73: or you can look in /dev/disk/by-*/ |
| 13:26.53 | tryfan | ranix: I thought maybe there was something 2.6 specific in the debian patch for openssh |
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| 13:27.02 | linduxed | abrotman: sounds about right |
| 13:27.08 | yurikoles | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/pro.mspx |
| 13:27.11 | \amethyst | DEBUNTU73: (which gets populated by udev based on the output of blkid, if I'm not mistaken) |
| 13:27.13 | ranix | tryfan: try updating and apt-get installing build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` again and see if you need some updates |
| 13:27.20 | saloo | it always sys :"I: Unpacking whiptail" "Failure.." |
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| 13:27.29 | ranix | tryfan: it's possible, openssh is high security |
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| 13:27.35 | linduxed | abrotman: and preferrably get it spelled out which name has which IP |
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| 13:27.49 | ranix | tryfan: is this an apt-get source build, or is this from CVS or something? |
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| 13:28.32 | tryfan | ranix: apt-get source |
| 13:28.39 | DEBUNTU73 | \amethyst: blkid does not do what I requested. |
| 13:28.43 | ranix | yeah you shouldn't have a problem with that |
| 13:28.53 | ranix | check the package's dependencies to make sure you don't have a conflict |
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| 13:29.24 | tryfan | I checked the depends...even re-compiled quilt and openssl |
| 13:29.31 | tryfan | they compiled and installed fine |
| 13:29.58 | abrotman | linduxed: not sure if nmblookup has an option for all hosts or not |
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| 13:30.12 | ranix | tryfan: did you try updating build essential and linux headers? |
| 13:30.21 | saloo | is nobody familiar with debootstrap? |
| 13:30.30 | ranix | saloo: debootstrap is great |
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| 13:30.39 | linduxed | abrotman: got a tip about wireshark, will that do the trick? |
| 13:30.43 | saloo | ranix: i know but it doesnt work :) |
| 13:30.49 | tryfan | ranix: build-essentials wasn't there...you'd think I couldn't live without it... |
| 13:31.06 | ranix | apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:31.08 | tryfan | ranix: no linux-headers in sarge I don't think, but kernel-headers is up to date |
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| 13:31.14 | ranix | sarge? |
| 13:31.17 | ranix | don't use sarge |
| 13:31.18 | abrotman | linduxed: it perhaps good |
| 13:31.20 | abrotman | could |
| 13:31.24 | ranix | it's deprecated two times over |
| 13:31.26 | ranix | found your problem |
| 13:31.28 | abrotman | ranix: catchup .. he doesn't have a choice |
| 13:31.33 | tryfan | believe me, I know |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | so he says :) |
| 13:31.37 | ranix | must have missed it |
| 13:31.40 | linduxed | abrotman: i have no idea how to use it though... |
| 13:31.49 | linduxed | abrotman: hmmm, gotta find a guide on this |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | linduxed: it has documentation |
| 13:31.54 | ranix | sarge needs kernel-headers-`uname-r` |
| 13:32.01 | ranix | and I don't think it had build-essential |
| 13:32.06 | ranix | try libc6-dev |
| 13:32.10 | tryfan | abrotman: what did you mean about using the deb-src line? |
| 13:32.20 | abrotman | ranix: it's so old it might be libc5-dev |
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| 13:32.24 | abrotman | slaps his knee |
| 13:32.31 | ranix | we're in for a hoe-down |
| 13:32.32 | abrotman | tryfan: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:32.34 | ranix | yee haw |
| 13:32.57 | abrotman | tryfan: it's a method of backporting packages on your own |
| 13:33.13 | abrotman | tryfan: no idea how well it would work for sarge < lenny .. i'd probably try in a VM first |
| 13:33.21 | abrotman | tryfan: wait .. why are you trying to build the ssh anyways? |
| 13:33.22 | ranix | backporting from sid to sarge is going to be pretty much not applicable |
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| 13:33.35 | tryfan | that's all mainly what I've done |
| 13:33.40 | ranix | you could backport from etch to sarge |
| 13:33.54 | abrotman | i'm assuming he wants the 5.x tree for some reason |
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| 13:34.05 | tryfan | openssh 4.3 has been hacked, exploit isn't in the wild yet, but better safe than sorry |
| 13:34.16 | abrotman | but sarge didn't have 4.3 ? |
| 13:34.18 | tryfan | sarge runs 3.old |
| 13:34.25 | saloo | ranix: do you know where this failure: "W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times." in debootstrap could come from it always happens after the line: "I: Unpacking whiptail..." |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | tryfan: and there's speculation that supposed exploit was a farce |
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| 13:34.53 | tryfan | you've seen the ssanz hack? |
| 13:34.58 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions openssh |
| 13:34.59 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: openssh -- |
| 13:35.03 | rdz | what service do i need to restart in order to reflect the changes made in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:35.10 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions opensshd |
| 13:35.11 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: opensshd -- |
| 13:35.14 | abrotman | tryfan: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2009/07/msg00023.html .. that one ? |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 13:35.20 | judd | abrotman: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-5+b1 sid: 1:5.1p1-6 |
| 13:35.22 | rdz | /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't seem to change anything |
| 13:35.36 | abrotman | rdz: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:36.09 | tryfan | abrotman: that's the one |
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| 13:36.33 | rdz | abrotman, thank.. i'll try again |
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| 13:37.18 | tryfan | I guess if it's real, then the patch might not be in the new version |
| 13:37.52 | antixogh | is firefox in non-free? |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | antixogh: install iceweasel |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | tryfan: or it might only affect the 4.x tree |
| 13:39.02 | antixogh | the actuall firefox is what i'm looking for it seems to run better than iceweasel |
| 13:39.13 | abrotman | it's nto in debian |
| 13:39.19 | tryfan | http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 update 2 |
| 13:39.20 | antixogh | alright |
| 13:39.27 | jpinx-eeepc | antixogh: there are people running ff3.5 on wine and say it is better |
| 13:39.46 | antixogh | hmm |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | tryfan: i've read them |
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| 13:39.49 | tryfan | abrotman: rumour is that it doesn't work against the latest |
| 13:40.06 | tryfan | abrotman: so that's the source...I guess my most vulnerable stuff is etch boxes that I have around |
| 13:40.10 | antixogh | i wonder if chrome would run in wine.. |
| 13:40.17 | antixogh | i don't see why not |
| 13:40.25 | antixogh | ok thanks |
| 13:40.28 | saloo | i really need help with this one can anybody see whats wrong with this invocation of debootstrap: debootstrap --verbose --include=linux-image-2.6.26-2-686,grub lenny /media/disk/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 13:40.30 | jpinx-eeepc | antixogh: I have heard that it will on the latest wine |
| 13:40.40 | abrotman | tryfan: dunno .. you're running around like a beheaded chicken though :) |
| 13:40.52 | tryfan | abrotman: maybe a little bit |
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| 13:41.20 | abrotman | starts madly compiling random things |
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| 13:41.34 | craigevil | iceweasel 3.5 flies, it is quite a bit faster and seems to use less ram than 3.0.11 |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | craigevil: so do gnome and kde combined |
| 13:42.14 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 13:42.15 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
| 13:42.22 | tryfan | abrotman: I guess on sarge, I should just firewall the hell out of it, and maybe backport ssh5.1 to etch |
| 13:42.30 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: where are you getting IW3.5? |
| 13:42.32 | abrotman | tryfan: that's one option |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: see planet.d.o |
| 13:42.47 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: k |
| 13:42.49 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090707 Iceweasel/3.5 (Debian-3.5-1) |
| 13:43.07 | craigevil | jpinx-eeepc: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=391 |
| 13:43.23 | tryfan | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 13:43.29 | tryfan | and the advice |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | tryfan: i'm hoping it's not real .. but stick around for a bit .. maybe someone has more information |
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| 13:45.32 | craigevil | jpinx-eeepc: Processes 100 Uptime 12:15 Memory 183.3/493.5MB < thats in lxde, with iceweasel+chatzilla and 6 opens tabs, mplayer , lxterminal, conky,pcmanfm, parcellite all running |
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| 13:47.00 | tryfan | abrotman: I've got a buddy who gets private info from the back channels like, ISC, even knew about the kaminsky bug before most did. he told me about the exploit, but I'm not sure if he's confirmed it |
| 13:47.03 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: I am using swiftfox in lenny - download and dpkg -i without a murmur and no dependencies problems |
| 13:47.09 | antixogh | unstable/updates and unstable/volatile don't exist right? |
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| 13:48.10 | Sevet | does anyone have any idea why calls to fsync() might suddenly start taking 5s instead of the 0s it's been taking for weeks? :) |
| 13:48.12 | saloo | i just pasted the output of debootstrap http://pastebin.com/dcb585b5 |
| 13:48.24 | saloo | the failure is pretty much at the end |
| 13:48.24 | abrotman | tryfan: http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=124708768715312&w=2 .. |
| 13:48.39 | saloo | would be cool if somebody could help me |
| 13:48.58 | craigevil | antixogh: no |
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| 13:49.28 | Karl | hi there |
| 13:50.31 | Karl | i'm just here to ask, is it safe to remove "aolserver" from my debian vps, as whenever my vps crashes or reboots, it seems to start "aolserver" on port 80, and that makes it so my apache won't start |
| 13:50.56 | tryfan | abrotman: hmm...well it doesn't look like anything concrete |
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| 13:51.04 | abrotman | tryfan: right ... |
| 13:51.18 | abrotman | Karl: i doubt you need aolserver .. pretty sure you can remove that |
| 13:51.25 | Karl | alright |
| 13:51.31 | tryfan | abrotman: my boss panics about something, and I take it seriously...<sigh> |
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| 13:51.57 | abrotman | tryfan: however .. you really should get that sarge box upgraded .. you haven't had security support for that in over a year |
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| 13:52.53 | Karl | oh right.. the thing is, I don't know how to remove aolserver either, i never installed it manually through apt-get or something like that |
| 13:53.09 | abrotman | Karl: aptitude purge aolserver ? |
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| 13:53.55 | tryfan | abrotman: I've got a few of them, and I really do want to upgrade them...I can only try to convince management |
| 13:54.01 | Karl | Package aolserver is not installed, so not removed |
| 13:54.08 | Karl | o.o |
| 13:54.39 | abrotman | tryfan: well, he's freaking out about ssh .. but the whole rest of the system doesn't matter ? |
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| 13:54.55 | \amethyst | Karl: just remove the link from /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 13:54.59 | tryfan | abrotman: management is usually not known for it's rationality |
| 13:55.07 | ranix | its |
| 13:55.07 | tryfan | as a whole |
| 13:55.09 | abrotman | tryfan: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6760 |
| 13:55.38 | unomi | so.. how do I get ls to show me 'only' filesize, modification time and filename ? |
| 13:55.44 | ranix | you need (*need*) to have security update support on exposed systems |
| 13:56.11 | ranix | period |
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| 13:57.44 | tryfan | I know, but when they aren't technically 'your' systems, you can't just do anything without authorization. I had a job like that before, everything was very tightly controlled |
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| 13:58.24 | ranix | I consider it my job to not waste my time |
| 13:58.32 | linduxed | is there a difference between the domain and the hostname? |
| 13:58.36 | ranix | sometimes management needs helpful input |
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| 13:59.22 | tryfan | well things are changing here, so there's a bit of a change freeze... |
| 13:59.48 | Karl | seems like I found a file for aolserver in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 14:00.08 | tryfan | I'll be ripping and tearing a bit at a time for the next little while, so security will take a front seat |
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| 14:01.10 | tryfan | abrotman: hooray for FUD |
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| 14:02.03 | abrotman | tryfan: i'd just explain to mgmt that sarge hasn't been supported since Pope John Paul was alive :) |
| 14:02.16 | tryfan | abrotman: actually, that might work |
| 14:02.18 | unomi | so.. how do I get ls to show me 'only' filesize, modification time and filename ? is this even possible? |
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| 14:02.30 | abrotman | (actually .. i should verify that) |
| 14:03.25 | abrotman | tryfan: oh .. hasn't been that long http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229 .. but over a year now |
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| 14:06.20 | ranix | I like of like Pope Darth Sidious |
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| 14:06.29 | ranix | he force lightnings and doesn't afraid of anything |
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| 14:07.43 | tryfan | heh |
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| 14:08.42 | Oleg_ | Hi |
| 14:08.47 | Oleg_ | I need help really quick |
| 14:08.48 | boxxertrumps | ranix: it's "darth benidict" |
| 14:08.54 | Oleg_ | I forgot how to install flash |
| 14:08.54 | boxxertrumps | yes Oleg_ ? |
| 14:08.57 | ranix | darth Ratzinger |
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| 14:09.07 | Oleg_ | on my Debian system |
| 14:09.35 | Oleg_ | I was here asking the same question before and got help (meaning, I successfully installed flash) |
| 14:09.45 | Oleg_ | But now I switched to renting another server |
| 14:09.49 | boxxertrumps | Oleg_: did you check the package manager |
| 14:10.02 | Oleg_ | and have the same problem again because I simply forgot how to install flash :) |
| 14:10.04 | boxxertrumps | why do you need flash on a server? |
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| 14:10.11 | Oleg_ | speedtest.net |
| 14:10.16 | boxxertrumps | oh ok |
| 14:10.32 | Oleg_ | Okay, please tell me how to install flash |
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| 14:11.01 | boxxertrumps | there's a package for it in the non-free repos |
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| 14:11.38 | boxxertrumps | apt-get install adobe-flashplugin |
| 14:12.42 | craigevil | !tell Oleg_ about Adobe Flash |
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| 14:13.14 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: not anymore |
| 14:13.26 | boxxertrumps | abrotman: weird |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | not weird .. good |
| 14:14.15 | boxxertrumps | no, i mean that it's weird i have a package maintained by the debian developers that isn't maintained by them anymore |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: which version of debian do you have ? |
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| 14:14.42 | abrotman | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:14.42 | boxxertrumps | 5 |
| 14:14.43 | judd | abrotman: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.6 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6 |
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| 14:15.20 | Oleg_ | There is no package adobe-flashplugin |
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| 14:17.33 | boxxertrumps | Oleg_: wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_10_linux.deb |
| 14:17.40 | craigevil | NO |
| 14:17.48 | boxxertrumps | why |
| 14:17.49 | craigevil | that is a ubuntu package |
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| 14:17.59 | craigevil | either install from backports or from dmm |
| 14:18.19 | stew | Oleg_: you don't want to download that package from macromedia, get the installer from debian in the flashplugin-nonfree package instead |
| 14:18.25 | boxxertrumps | they're both debs, they shouldn't be incompatible |
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| 14:18.54 | phorce1 | add this to your sources.list ---> deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:19.02 | phorce1 | do an aptitude update |
| 14:19.23 | phorce1 | then adobe-flashplugin will show up |
| 14:19.44 | \amethyst | phorce1: err, flashplugin-nonfree you mean? |
| 14:19.46 | iluminator101 | Hi how do i findout what programs are using what ports, also what ports are open in general? |
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| 14:20.15 | stew | boxxertrumps: well they are incompatible. that deb is made for a different operating system |
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| 14:20.28 | \amethyst | iluminator101: netstat -paunt (as root so you can see all programs not just your own) |
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| 14:20.47 | phorce1 | \amethyst: I show adobe-flashplugin AND flashplugin-nonfree when I do an apt-cache search |
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| 14:21.04 | phorce1 | \amethyst: apt-cache search flash |
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| 14:21.07 | iluminator101 | amethyst thanks |
| 14:21.07 | \amethyst | phorce1: apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin |
| 14:21.46 | DerDui | does anybody know how to download the dvd image via jidigo? ftp would take an hour at my pc |
| 14:22.14 | iluminator101 | how do i change the settings for these http://pastebin.com/d2126f358? |
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| 14:22.35 | phorce1 | \amethyst: ahh, leftover from doing it the wrong way first time (although installing the Ubuntu .deb DID work) |
| 14:22.40 | stew | DerDui: do you need an entire dvd image instead of a cd image? |
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| 14:25.10 | iluminator101 | As soon as i connect to internet something links to my connection i dont what it, and how do i stop that.....how do i check if there is malicious code on my pc? |
| 14:25.14 | phorce1 | \amethyst: actually, it probably just shows up now because I have flashplugin-nonfree installed. all flashplugin-nonfree does is download the .deb provided directly by Adobe as mentioned above. It just allows Debian to manage it in a more sane manner |
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| 14:26.13 | \amethyst | phorce1: the Debian flashplugin-nonfree downloads the tarball not the .deb |
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| 14:28.18 | phorce1 | ended up installing Windows FireFox under WINE and installing flash in that for a couple of sites that want up-to-date flash. Linix flash is still buggy even though Adobe uses the same version numbers |
| 14:28.33 | phorce1 | s/Linix/Linux/ |
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| 14:28.50 | iluminator101 | How do i findout what this refers to localhost kernel: [36456.242003]? |
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| 14:29.08 | \amethyst | iluminator101: seconds since boot |
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| 14:29.23 | dagek | how do I give higher priority to a process? |
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| 14:29.37 | iluminator101 | amethyst: permission to pm |
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| 14:29.57 | rdz | dagek, man nice |
| 14:29.58 | stew | dagek: look at the nice / renice manpages ; only root can increase a processes priority from default |
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| 14:30.05 | \amethyst | iluminator101: ask in channel so others will benefit, unless there is sensitive information involved |
| 14:30.24 | iluminator101 | yes sensitive info involved? |
| 14:30.31 | DerDui | i owlny have dvds to burn^^ stew |
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| 14:30.36 | \amethyst | iluminator101: /msg then |
| 14:31.08 | craigevil | phorce1: i havent had any issues with flash in iceweasel in months |
| 14:31.21 | arvind_khadri | hi, how can i play .dat files.... i installed libxine-all-plugins |
| 14:31.23 | dagek | is -20 means it will have higher priority? |
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| 14:32.06 | stew | dagek: yes, that is the highest |
| 14:32.11 | phorce1 | craigevil: have one of your friends talk you into signing up on the "yoville" game on FaceBook to help them bolster their stats |
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| 14:32.39 | craigevil | i played that one time, my wife plays it on her eeepc all the time |
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| 14:33.15 | Oleg_ | phorce1: when I run apt-get update, it doesn't connect to backports.org |
| 14:33.34 | arvind_khadri | any idea?? |
| 14:33.54 | phorce1 | craigevil: it's badly broken for linux flash. Doesn't show complete data in the flash popups it uses |
| 14:34.30 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, any idea how could i play .dat ?? |
| 14:34.31 | craigevil | phorce1: could be i no longer play any games on facebook |
| 14:34.42 | homeyirka | hello all, how do i "refresh" (or how to say) the desktop (without restarting gdm) please, after apt-get upgrade my desktop icons dissapeared and right click on desktop does nothing ... |
| 14:34.53 | \amethyst | arvind_khadri: .dat is not a meaningful extension... it could be anything |
| 14:34.56 | phorce1 | craigevil: and I couldn't get in the game by clicking the "START" link on the login page. Had to backdoor my way in by saving a link to somewhere else already inside the game |
| 14:35.06 | phorce1 | Oleg_: errors?? |
| 14:35.14 | arvind_khadri | \amethyst, its there in the video cd which i just got.... |
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| 14:35.54 | Oleg_ | couldn't connect to backports.org. That's the error |
| 14:36.08 | phorce1 | Oleg_: ahhh, bpo appears to be having some sort of ... issue ... right now. Failing for me too. Worked last night |
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| 14:36.50 | phorce1 | That is a small problem with single-source repositories |
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| 14:37.37 | Qew | maybe Oleg could try debian-multimedia instead to get Flash. |
| 14:37.59 | phorce1 | bpo not coming up on http either |
| 14:38.30 | Oleg_ | phorce1: okay, I'll install flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 14:39.32 | iluminator101 | how do i find out if there is a malicious code running inside the computer? |
| 14:39.47 | JPT | check the output of ps aux |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | yeah .. that never lies |
| 14:40.07 | JPT | xD |
| 14:40.08 | Oleg_ | phorce1: please tell me the exact command to add debian-multimedia.org to /etc/sources.list, so I could install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 14:40.09 | JPT | sure it does not lie |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | </sarcasm> |
| 14:40.19 | JPT | because malicious software is invisible |
| 14:40.22 | JPT | :-D |
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| 14:40.26 | stew | JPT: unless it is malicious code |
| 14:40.28 | JPT | you should to a port scan |
| 14:40.39 | JPT | to? Oo |
| 14:40.46 | phorce1 | Oleg_: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:40.48 | JPT | you should >do< a port scan |
| 14:41.13 | ranix | you can try chkrootkit and rkhunter |
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| 14:41.26 | JPT | boot a live system and check your hdd again ;) |
| 14:41.28 | ranix | few actual Linux exploits will not install a rootkit |
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| 14:42.01 | Qew | I think debian-multimedia has only main |
| 14:42.17 | phorce1 | iluminator101: prepare for a long day (errr, WEEK actually) of reading every log file in /var/log to see if anyone logged onto your machine and installed something they shouldn't have |
| 14:42.41 | valan | eh |
| 14:42.59 | valan | if i were to install something malicious on your machine, i would also remove anything incriminating from the logs |
| 14:43.17 | valan | i would also make it appear to be something normal when you look at ps aux |
| 14:43.48 | ranix | don't forget modifying ld_preload to include something overriding memcpy |
| 14:43.55 | ranix | for bonus points |
| 14:44.06 | phorce1 | Qew: aptitude doesn't complain if you put all 3 and I've gotten into the habit of doing so for any repo that doesn't toss an error about it |
| 14:44.23 | valan | what you could do though is make sure nothing funny is in the $PATH variable anywhere, and also check every directory inside $PATH for recently modified executable files that you didn't modify |
| 14:44.45 | valan | but also check ps aux and your logs ;) |
| 14:44.56 | ranix | lastlog can occasionally be helpful |
| 14:45.04 | ranix | it's fairly obnoxious to forge |
| 14:45.14 | ranix | lots of people won't bother |
| 14:45.32 | ranix | if you see Debian-exim or www-data logging in, you have a problem ;) |
| 14:45.57 | valan | generally though, if you look, you might notice stuff like port scans and failed login attempts and other interesting things before the incident occurs |
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| 14:48.56 | valan | there are some excellent linux security books btw that will assist you in hardening your system |
| 14:49.11 | ranix | !hardening |
| 14:49.15 | ranix | !harden |
| 14:49.15 | dpkg | it has been said that harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 14:49.26 | valan | a lot of the better books will teach you how to do the stuff the crackers will do, so that you better know how to spot it and protect against it |
| 14:49.28 | ranix | that's for pre-invasion |
| 14:49.51 | Oleg_ | damn! |
| 14:49.59 | ranix | common sense helps a lot too - i.e., don't put a webserver on the fileserver, and if you do, don't let it be viewable from the internets |
| 14:50.18 | ranix | don't use remote mysql on an exposed server, etc. |
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| 14:50.45 | seniorake | how can i figure out wether a file system uses dir_index? |
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| 14:51.25 | Oleg_ | phorce1: is there another way I can install flash? |
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| 14:52.23 | Oleg_ | Maybe I can download some binary browser with flash enabled? |
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| 14:53.26 | karrotx | so, i upgraded a machine from sarge -> etch and it removed the mail binary |
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| 14:54.19 | jelly | seniorake: dumpe2fs -h /dev/...., and grep for directory.hash |
| 14:54.22 | OpenTokix | karrotx: reinstall it? |
| 14:54.38 | karrotx | apt-file search /bin/mail comes back with no response |
| 14:54.49 | karrotx | sorry /usr/bin/mail* |
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| 14:55.01 | jelly | karrotx: have you run apt-file update before? |
| 14:55.21 | karrotx | jelly: no, i was unaware that was needed; i'm running it now thanks |
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| 14:56.02 | ranix | you might mean /usr/bin/mailq |
| 14:56.04 | Oleg_ | dpkg -i flashplayer-mozilla_10.0.22.87-0.1_i386.deb |
| 14:56.04 | dpkg | installs flashplayer-mozilla_10.0.22.87-0.1_i386.deb into oleg_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 14:56.06 | Oleg_ | right? |
| 14:56.07 | Zed1 | I'm exporting an xterm window from a Debian Lenny box to a Windows machine running Xming. Every once in a while, the xterm command line seems to become confused (both in bash and zsh) and starts registering spurious return characters (i.e. in the middle of the line, the cursor jumps to the beginning of the line and starts overwriting). Has anyone heard of this quirk? I suppose it's possible it's an Xming bug, but it seems more li |
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| 14:56.25 | seniorake | jelly: thank you |
| 14:56.25 | ranix | karrotx: I don't think there is a /usr/bin/mail |
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| 14:56.28 | karrotx | ranix: actually i'm looking for mailx |
| 14:56.41 | ranix | oh, nevermind, there is one |
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| 14:56.55 | ranix | karrotx: mailx is in mailutils |
| 14:56.58 | ranix | no idea where mail is |
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| 14:57.04 | ranix | oh, wait. It's also in mailutils |
| 14:57.12 | ranix | I'm just blind |
| 14:57.27 | jelly | Zed1: sounds like your xserver thinks a key gets stuck or whatnot |
| 14:57.38 | karrotx | i have a half upgraded production server; i'm so nervous to finish the upgrade |
| 14:57.49 | Zed1 | Hrm. :/ Thanks. |
| 14:57.54 | ranix | don't worry about it, it'll go smooth |
| 14:57.54 | jelly | Zed1: pressing and releasing the affected key sometimes helps |
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| 14:58.20 | Zed1 | The funny thing is, it's a receive-only bug. The key isn't actually stuck, and no return is actually being sent. |
| 14:58.43 | Zed1 | (i.e. I can keep typing, and finish the command. It just becomes impossible to edit anything accurately in the text before the glitch) |
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| 14:59.14 | Zed1 | If I execute the command, and cursor up, it glitches in the same spot as well, unless I resize the term. |
| 14:59.25 | jelly | Zed1: ctrl-L redraws correctly? |
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| 14:59.49 | Zed1 | Let me see if I can get it to trigger. |
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| 15:00.58 | Zed1 | Huh. No. It clears the screen, rewrites the command to be the first line on the term, but still glitches in exactly the same spot. |
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| 15:01.38 | Zed1 | It's like xterm believes that it's really resized a few columns smaller than it is, and then isn't advancing a line on the wrap. |
| 15:01.43 | nope | hey guys can you recommend me a decent laptop for around $500? I was looking at this lenovo http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4483720&CatId=1891 |
| 15:01.52 | nope | what do you think? |
| 15:02.03 | jelly | Zed1: does "stty -a" output confirm the wrong size? |
| 15:02.25 | jelly | Zed1: are you running screen in it? |
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| 15:03.02 | nope | something with good support as well |
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| 15:04.24 | cahoot | nope: this isn't really the place |
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| 15:04.42 | Oleg_ | people, speedtest.net gives me strange results! |
| 15:04.51 | Oleg_ | any other website I can test my speed on? |
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| 15:05.20 | \amethyst | well, if the question is "what $500 laptops have wireless that is fully supported in Debian main", that might be a #debian question |
| 15:05.30 | JJOliver_AfK | is there a way to change the filename of a wget download? |
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| 15:05.56 | \amethyst | JJOliver_AfK: -O file |
| 15:05.56 | avu | JJOliver_AfK, -O |
| 15:06.03 | JJOliver_AfK | thanks! |
| 15:06.11 | nope | heh |
| 15:06.11 | reZo | whats a good DNS server out there? |
| 15:06.19 | reZo | daemon i mean |
| 15:06.24 | \amethyst | JJOliver_AfK: unless you're talking about a recursive wget (that will concatenate them all together in one file) |
| 15:06.28 | reZo | that is easy to manage, and setup |
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| 15:06.50 | reZo | for someone new, and who is learning about dns |
| 15:06.54 | Zed1 | I'm running screen on the one I'm currently testing on, but I've seen it happen without it. Let me see if I can replicate without. |
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| 15:07.22 | jelly | Zed1: screen can often mess with window resizing signals |
| 15:07.39 | \amethyst | reZo: bind is "the standard", and lots of the documentation you'll find assumes bind |
| 15:07.52 | \amethyst | reZo: bind9 in debian |
| 15:08.04 | reZo | \amethyst: awesome :), i'll check it out |
| 15:08.06 | phorce1 | Oleg_: If you use that .deb directly you will have problems later. It's not nice about where it puts the library files and stuff starts magically breaking |
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| 15:08.57 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:09.18 | Oleg_ | phorce1: I have another problem now. Speedtest.net gives me incorrect results about speed and I need it to give me correct results because my account on a bittorrent tracker was disabled. They want me to do a speed test |
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| 15:11.14 | Oleg_ | Damn, what should I do to force speedtest.net to give me correct results? |
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| 15:11.19 | phorce1 | Oleg_: make sure you have killed every other process that mak be using your connection before running speedtest. Kill all BT clients, maybe even get out of IRC. Then see what results it gives you. Also, try more than one server on speedyest.net |
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| 15:11.46 | Oleg_ | But I am running IRC on my local computer, not on the server |
| 15:12.02 | phorce1 | Oleg_: it's giving you the speed it can see you getting. Those ARE correct results. Maybe not the results you WANT, but correct |
| 15:12.35 | Oleg_ | Maybe I should kill vncserver and restart it |
| 15:12.52 | phorce1 | Oleg_: are your local computer and the server connected to the same internet connection? |
| 15:12.56 | Oleg_ | no |
| 15:13.32 | phorce1 | Oh, crap, you're using VNC to connect to the server and run a browser with flash remotely to use speedtest? |
| 15:13.42 | Oleg_ | The server is gigabit for downloading and 100 Mbit/sec for uploading (but gigabit for uploading to other kimsufi and ovh boxes) |
| 15:14.10 | Oleg_ | phorce1: ok, tell me the correct way to run speedtest |
| 15:14.28 | phorce1 | VNC is munching up lots of your bandwidth |
| 15:15.14 | Oleg_ | phorce1: so, tell me please the correct way to run speedtest! I am having an anxiety because my account was disabled on that tracker! |
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| 15:17.15 | phorce1 | Oleg_: wait a few while I google. (you can google too --- but this is interesting so I'm looking) |
| 15:17.46 | valan | eh the server has 1Gb down/100Mb up but sometimes 1Gb up? what kind of link is that? |
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| 15:18.02 | Oleg_ | phorce1: it gives me weird results: 374 Mbit/sec for download and only 28 Mbit/sec for uploading! |
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| 15:18.35 | Oleg_ | valan: 1 Gbps up when uploading to other kimsufi/ovh boxes |
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| 15:19.05 | valan | oh kimsufi is the host |
| 15:19.11 | valan | what kind of link is it though? |
| 15:19.13 | Oleg_ | yes |
| 15:19.35 | Oleg_ | what do you mean? |
| 15:19.38 | g00se | Oleg_: Is it by any chance Adsl (note the cap)? |
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| 15:19.51 | Oleg_ | g00se: my local computer? yes |
| 15:19.52 | valan | t1? t3? 10Mb cable? |
| 15:19.55 | valan | something like that |
| 15:20.36 | g00se | Oleg_: Then that's not weird - it's entirely expected |
| 15:20.41 | phorce1 | Oleg_: those numbers look like speedtest is reading your local DSL connection speed |
| 15:21.02 | Oleg_ | phorce1: why? I ran the test on the server |
| 15:21.37 | g00se | Oleg_: How? |
| 15:21.44 | Gratz474 | how can i check if a specific port is open? |
| 15:22.13 | g00se | Gratz474: I'm getting a feeling of deja entendu |
| 15:22.24 | Gratz474 | yea :P |
| 15:22.30 | valan | Gratz474 nmap, telnet, lsof, netstat |
| 15:22.31 | Gratz474 | i always forget i needa cheat sheet |
| 15:22.37 | Gratz474 | i always do it a different way |
| 15:22.43 | valan | multiple ways to check for an open port |
| 15:23.06 | Oleg_ | goose: On my local computer (which is running ADSL), I typed "vncviewer ks366556.kimsufi.com:1" |
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| 15:24.13 | Oleg_ | goose: and then after starting the vncviewer, I opened the iceweasel browser and ran the speed test |
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| 15:25.16 | g00se | Oleg_: Opened iceweasel on the remote box? |
| 15:25.20 | Night_Elf | g00se: there's a difference between Adsl and adsl ? |
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| 15:25.26 | Oleg_ | g00se: yes |
| 15:25.31 | jaes | hi, does anyone knows how to set up quicly a proxy without any authentication or anything |
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| 15:25.48 | valan | jaes look into squid |
| 15:25.50 | g00se | Night_Elf: I'm just emphasising the first word ;-) |
| 15:26.05 | Oleg_ | g00se: what would be a better way to run a speed test? |
| 15:26.09 | g00se | Oleg_: Maybe *it* uses adsl too? |
| 15:26.14 | jaes | valan: thanks, is it easy to install? |
| 15:26.15 | Oleg_ | no! |
| 15:26.24 | Oleg_ | g00se: wait |
| 15:26.28 | Oleg_ | I dunno |
| 15:26.31 | valan | yes |
| 15:26.53 | jaes | valan: thanks again, i'll try this |
| 15:26.57 | Oleg_ | ok, so tell me THE correct way to run a speed test! |
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| 15:27.01 | valan | the conf file is well documented |
| 15:27.11 | Oleg_ | so, my local connection wouldn't be involved during a test run! |
| 15:27.23 | g00se | Oleg_: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the way you're doing it |
| 15:27.28 | valan | generally bad idea though running an open proxy |
| 15:27.33 | phorce1 | Oleg_: you can test DOWNLOAD speed by ssh-ing into the server and using wget or elinks to download a REALLY BIG file (from a known fast server). When it's about 50% done you should be able to see the average download speed. For upload it gets a bit more tricky. I haven't found a non-java/non-flash speed test yet. iftop might help |
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| 15:27.51 | g00se | Oleg_: If that's what you're doing then it isn't involved |
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| 15:28.25 | Oleg_ | okay, I'll try to kill vncserver and delete .vnc and then restart it |
| 15:28.54 | Oleg_ | I mean, I will re-create .vnc before restarting vncserver, of course |
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| 15:30.16 | Zed1 | Well, dropping out of screen seems to have delayed things, but now my xterm is back to wrapping inappropriately again. |
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| 15:30.37 | Zed1 | I wonder if it's related to the color prompt... |
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| 15:30.44 | Oleg_ | g00se: what did you mean when you asked me "maybe it uses adsl too?" ? Only my local computer is connected to ADSL connection, but the server is gigabit, as I told you before |
| 15:30.57 | valan | Zed1 it could be related to inputrc |
| 15:31.16 | valan | Oleg_ you never did mention what type of link the server uses |
| 15:31.24 | Zed1 | Inputrc? |
| 15:31.25 | g00se | Oleg_: Well it's certainly behaving like adsl ;-) |
| 15:31.26 | Oleg_ | I don't know what you mean by link |
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| 15:31.29 | valan | i highly doubt it has a 1Gb connection |
| 15:31.54 | asg | Oleg_: a good bandwidth test from the server would be to wget the kernel from kernel.org and see what you get. It won't saturate the bandwidth but would be a pretty good indicator. |
| 15:32.12 | valan | Zed1 /etc/inputrc |
| 15:32.15 | Oleg_ | valan: yes, I was downloading at the rate of 30 MB/sec (240 Mbit/sec) with it at one time |
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| 15:33.08 | valan | that's still a lot less than 1Gb |
| 15:33.22 | valan | it don't matter though |
| 15:33.53 | Zed1 | Valan, looks like it's still the default. The only thing it's doing is "set input-meta on" and "set output-meta on" |
| 15:33.59 | g00se | asg: That's good for down, but up is trickier |
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| 15:34.01 | Zed1 | It was related to the color prompt, though, I think. |
| 15:34.10 | valan | Zed1 i can't remember much about inputrc |
| 15:34.20 | valan | you might try googling for the line wrapping issue |
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| 15:34.34 | Zed1 | Yeah, I have, but haven't been having any luck. |
| 15:35.40 | alecs1 | hi, I did a aptitude full-upgrade a few hours ago and accepted to remove a few ia32 packages (I'm running amd64) |
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| 15:35.54 | Zed1 | Googling on color prompts and line wrapping has generated some hits, though. |
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| 15:36.09 | asg | g00se: find a way to upload something to google or some other large site with ftp (minimal overhead) |
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| 15:36.30 | alecs1 | now skype wants a library from ia32-libsm6, but I cannot install it for reasons I don't understand |
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| 15:37.19 | jpinx-eeepc | apart from hosts.allow/deny and sshd_config what else could block remote ssh logins? |
| 15:37.25 | alecs1 | "aptitude show ia32-libsm6" is ok, there is no conflict and still, "aptitude install ia32-libsm6" says no candidate version found |
| 15:38.02 | alecs1 | how could I solve this one? |
| 15:38.05 | g00se | jpinx-eeepc: a firewall ;-) |
| 15:38.39 | jpinx-eeepc | g00se: iptables ? |
| 15:39.04 | g00se | jpinx-eeepc: ... belong in a firewall |
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| 15:42.45 | Oleg_ | yo, how do I make a screenshot in iceweasel? I pressed PrintScreen, but nothing happened |
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| 15:43.16 | abrotman | yo? |
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| 15:43.21 | Oleg_ | sorry |
| 15:43.32 | Oleg_ | but I am having an anxiety now |
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| 15:43.45 | Oleg_ | I need to prove to those people on the tracker that I wasn't cheating |
| 15:43.49 | Oleg_ | therefore, they want a speed test |
| 15:43.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Oleg_: scrot or gpe-screenshot |
| 15:44.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Oleg_: you might have to install one of those - I use gpe-screenshot personally - it's a smaller install |
| 15:45.16 | alecs1 | ah, ia32-libsm no longer actually exists in a repository; is there an article on sorting out these Debian Unstable ia32 problems... |
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| 15:47.19 | dagek | is there a simple hd encryption way? |
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| 15:48.37 | jdahm | Er, I'm running testing and menu just segfaulted when it tried to upgrade, but now when I run apt* I get the error: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/5854/ |
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| 15:49.01 | jdahm | Aka, I can't even reconfigure aptitude to fix the package installation |
| 15:49.20 | alecs1 | dagek: entire hard-disk? if not, cfs is probably the most convenient to use |
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| 15:49.41 | dagek | cfs? that is afile system? |
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| 15:50.36 | alecs1 | it works over the file system |
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| 15:51.25 | phorce1 | Oleg_: what are the results showing now? |
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| 15:51.37 | alecs1 | all files in a directory will encrypted; when accessed through cfs they will be readabla |
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| 15:51.52 | alecs1 | I found it the most convenient |
| 15:52.25 | Oleg_ | I installed gpe-screenshot |
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| 15:56.57 | phorce1 | Oleg_: by the way, bpo is working again. Just needed a bit of patience |
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| 15:57.35 | Oleg_ | I am just super-anxious now, given the fact they disabled my account |
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| 15:59.57 | Oleg_ | phorce1: look at these weird results: http://hdimage.org/viewer.php?file=9nukf3a47qypj6q4z8z.png |
| 16:00.08 | alecs1 | about ia32: I forced an install of "ia32-libs" from Testing; this took out a share of ia32-xxx packages and acroread, but made Skype work |
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| 16:01.32 | alecs1 | still, I never had such problems with Unstable, how is this ia32 update special? |
| 16:01.49 | Oleg_ | phorce1: is there something wrong with the fact that ping is 18 ms, as you can see from the screenshot? |
| 16:02.41 | Oleg_ | please respond 'cause I am really anxious! |
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| 16:03.23 | gaintsura | does foobar do a good job of converting (with tag info) wma/flac/ogg/m4a to mp3? |
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| 16:04.37 | phorce1 | Oleg_: 18ms seems pretty good. mine shows up at 85ms. try another server |
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| 16:05.12 | Oleg_ | but why does it give me such weird results? |
| 16:05.29 | Oleg_ | I mean, only 20 Mbit/sec for uploading speed |
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| 16:06.10 | dda_ucm | hey guys I've just installed debian on a desktop system and X are not working properly. I've installed and reinstalled xserver-xorg, but the xorg.conf file appears empty. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't help. How could I generate an appropiate xorg.conf file? |
| 16:06.17 | dda_ucm | lenny, btw |
| 16:06.25 | ranix | dda_ucm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:06.26 | phorce1 | Oleg_: because vncviewer is uploading the results to your local computer at the same time it's doing the upload test. |
| 16:06.34 | dda_ucm | ranix: been there, done that... |
| 16:06.47 | ranix | that gives you a blank /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 16:06.52 | dda_ucm | yup |
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| 16:07.06 | ranix | dda_ucm: remove xorg.conf by moving it to xorg.conf.foo and dpkg-reconfigure it again |
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| 16:07.20 | dda_ucm | good idea! |
| 16:07.26 | ranix | ;) |
| 16:07.38 | phorce1 | I'm showing .2Mb/sec right now because I have BT running with lots of uploads. The only way you're going to get valid results is to test locally at the server. |
| 16:07.41 | ranix | I've had something similar happen when trying to install FGLRX |
| 16:08.05 | dda_ucm | ranix: dammit. It doesn't generate any xorg.conf file. :-( |
| 16:08.28 | Oleg_ | phorce1: well, the staff at the tracker should be able to understand it. Maybe they will tell me a different way to test the speed of the server |
| 16:08.33 | dda_ucm | (I removed the empty xorg.conf file instead of moving it, but hope that doesn't matter at all) |
| 16:08.41 | ranix | dda_ucm: do you have permission to alter xorg.conf with the user who is dpkg-reconfiguring |
| 16:08.48 | dda_ucm | ranix: using root :) |
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| 16:09.12 | dda_ucm | btw the dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask me more than questions about keyboard... |
| 16:09.30 | ranix | dda_ucm: can you do the following please |
| 16:09.33 | ranix | cd /etc/X11/ |
| 16:09.37 | ranix | cat xorg.conf |
| 16:09.47 | ranix | see if it displays anything useful? |
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| 16:10.00 | phorce1 | Oleg_: I also get better speed testing on a server farther away from me |
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| 16:10.03 | egw_ | hi |
| 16:10.06 | petemc | dda_ucm: X -configure will generate a config file you can edit to suit, xorg is configureed dynamically in lenny |
| 16:10.08 | zoidby | hi |
| 16:10.08 | dda_ucm | that file doesn't exist right now since I just deleted it and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't generate a new one. |
| 16:10.23 | ranix | thanks petemc |
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| 16:11.37 | egw_ | whichi is better samba or webdav? |
| 16:11.53 | petemc | they're not exactly the same thing |
| 16:12.10 | dda_ucm | petemc: Thanks, that worked. Unfortunately, my display isn't working properly yet... I guess I got to find out what driver should this computer use. |
| 16:12.44 | petemc | dda_ucm: yes, the way new xorg works is great when it works, bit of a pain when it doesnt |
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| 16:13.44 | beli | is there a package of latest php5 for debian etch? |
| 16:13.56 | dda_ucm | Thanks again. Now I got to go. Incidentally, maybe somebody could update the wiki to reflect the new way xorg works... |
| 16:13.57 | Oleg_ | phorce1: kimsufi boxes are located in France, so I was using a Parisian server to test the speed |
| 16:14.19 | Oleg_ | oh lord |
| 16:14.25 | Oleg_ | I am overwhelmed with anxiety |
| 16:14.32 | bsm | hi, I'm running a debian etch server and now I screwed up the rights of the /etc directory. after fixing ssh and sudo, is there a simple way to restore these? All files are 0755 |
| 16:15.40 | ranix | why are you overwhelmed with anxiety |
| 16:15.48 | ranix | perhaps you should take a depressant |
| 16:16.16 | phorce1 | ranix: because he can't .torrent any more :-D |
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| 16:16.32 | ranix | wtf anxiety |
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| 16:21.32 | Oleg_ | phorce1: maybe my anxiety is stupid. I mean, I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't cheat on the tracker or anything like that, so they will find a way to prove my honesty |
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| 16:22.57 | DevNullnDull | i see from apt-show-verisons i have a package that can be upgraded, but for the life of me I can not find the right command to upgrade that package. |
| 16:23.56 | DevNullnDull | All week I have been learning the apt system, and everyday I run into a new issue. So many command. So little brain. :) |
| 16:24.23 | lazynes | try aptitude |
| 16:24.37 | karihre | apt-get install <packagename> ? |
| 16:24.49 | karihre | doesn't that upgrade the package if there is a later version |
| 16:24.57 | DevNullnDull | lazynes: i did I try both aptitude install pkg and apt-get install |
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| 16:25.34 | maestrolinux | a question someone knows where you can find that each brings to debian dvd |
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| 16:25.54 | nkuttler | karihre: it should |
| 16:25.54 | DevNullnDull | karihre: i thought i should but doesnt for me, unless I am going something wrong. |
| 16:26.17 | nkuttler | DevNullnDull: apt-cache policy package ? |
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| 16:27.23 | DevNullnDull | nkuttler: it show both versions, but has *** next to the package installed. what does that me? |
| 16:27.29 | maestrolinux | Hi I am downloading the 5 dvd debian someone knows the contents of each |
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| 16:29.28 | chuck | is there any way to disable IPv6? |
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| 16:29.48 | chuck | i'm automatically getting it from my router i think, and outgoing IPv6 connections are not working |
| 16:29.48 | DevNullnDull | nkuttler: also both installed and Candidate are the same version. |
| 16:30.03 | DevNullnDull | does this have to do with preferences? |
| 16:30.07 | patrikf | chuck: ip route -6 add default unreachable (from memory, check with the manpage) |
| 16:30.12 | nkuttler | DevNullnDull: can you pastebin? |
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| 16:30.23 | nkuttler | DevNullnDull: most likely |
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| 16:30.58 | DevNullnDull | nkuttler: i have never pastebin before |
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| 16:32.11 | DevNullnDull | nkuttler: did you say most likly to it being a preferences problem? |
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| 16:45.18 | tpocra | Is there any way to track the status of packaging either VLC 1.0 or Firefox 3.5 into sid? |
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| 16:46.29 | cockroach | tpocra: if you have a look at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vlc you'll that vlc 1.0.0-rc2 is in experimental. maybe those teams have a public mailing list - if so, you can track the progress there |
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| 16:47.42 | cockroach | tpocra: or browse their git repo at http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/vlc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/sid - they seem to be preparing a 1.0.0 release |
| 16:47.57 | nkuttler | DevNullnDull: yes |
| 16:48.19 | cockroach | tpocra: firefox 3.5 is in experimental, too |
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| 16:49.30 | bawok | Your system does not provide a working zlib compression library. The compress module will therefore be disabled. whats the problem ? |
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| 16:49.41 | Qew | tpocra: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc.html has an RSS link... the same would apply for Iceweasel's page. You could follow progress that way, too. |
| 16:49.50 | Eulex | bawok, are you compiling stuff? |
| 16:49.55 | bawok | yes |
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| 16:49.56 | bawok | eggdrop |
| 16:50.04 | Eulex | bawok, install the -dev package for zlib |
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| 16:50.56 | Eulex | bawok, on another note, eggdrop is already in debian, no need to compile it |
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| 16:51.30 | clusty | hey |
| 16:51.41 | bawok | Eulex : thanks 4 responses , apt-get install zlib-dev ? |
| 16:51.44 | clusty | got a general question about raids |
| 16:51.52 | cockroach | !ask |
| 16:51.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:52.01 | Eulex | bawok, I don't remember the exact package name. |
| 16:52.04 | clusty | easy tiger |
| 16:52.11 | clusty | cockroach, i was asking |
| 16:52.12 | cockroach | sorry , getting impatient :) |
| 16:52.24 | clusty | cockroach, but i am polite and hate to jump in |
| 16:52.25 | clusty | :D |
| 16:52.37 | clusty | need to buold suspense :D |
| 16:52.37 | cockroach | heh, i see. but you're torturing us! :) |
| 16:52.40 | bawok | commpres ? |
| 16:52.40 | clusty | anyways... |
| 16:52.55 | Eulex | bawok, apt-cache search zlib dev |
| 16:53.06 | clusty | i wanna build and high performance IO machine |
| 16:53.11 | clusty | for a big databse server. |
| 16:53.22 | clusty | i will get smethign around 6 HDD's |
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| 16:53.36 | clusty | since I want around 10TB of storage with maximum speed |
| 16:54.00 | clusty | questio is: is there another way to make an array which is tolerant to 1 bad disk |
| 16:54.04 | clusty | and is not raid 5? |
| 16:54.09 | ranix | raid 10 |
| 16:54.11 | valdyn | clusty: no |
| 16:54.12 | cockroach | raid6 |
| 16:54.22 | clusty | basically i want (n-1) storage |
| 16:54.27 | clusty | and 1 fail |
| 16:54.29 | clusty | tolerant |
| 16:54.35 | valdyn | clusty: theres only raid5 for this |
| 16:54.50 | clusty | valdyn, but i keep on reading about BAARF :D |
| 16:54.57 | valdyn | clusty: so? |
| 16:55.04 | clusty | Battle Against Any Raid 5 |
| 16:55.18 | valdyn | clusty: you cannot fix n-1 raid |
| 16:55.21 | clusty | so it seemed like raid 5 is very bad for db |
| 16:55.39 | valdyn | clusty: raid5 is bad for most workloads |
| 16:55.51 | clusty | i never had anything else than raid 10 |
| 16:55.59 | ranix | raid 5 is optimal for fileserver applications |
| 16:56.14 | valdyn | ranix: now thats new |
| 16:56.27 | ranix | i.e. samba |
| 16:56.33 | clusty | apparently ZFS is some sort of raid 5 wannabe which is not as bad? |
| 16:56.41 | valdyn | clusty: no |
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| 16:56.52 | ranix | when you don't necessarily need maximum performance, but want simplicity and redundancy |
| 16:56.57 | valdyn | clusty: youll win a nobel prize if you can design a raid like raid5 that is better than raid5 |
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| 16:57.17 | cockroach | clusty: in general, hardware raid controllers should protect you (to some extent) against inconsistencies after a system crash... |
| 16:57.28 | ranix | md does a fair job |
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| 16:57.36 | clusty | cockroach, not when a whole disk blows in your face |
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| 16:57.40 | valdyn | hardware raids cannot do this better than software raids |
| 16:58.00 | valdyn | cockroach: zfs supports checksums. Thats unrelated to raid, but does give some more security |
| 16:58.05 | clusty | and the chance of a ny disk blowing from 6 is high |
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| 16:58.09 | cockroach | valdyn: well, yes. if they are battery-powered they might just be able to write those missing bits before power goes down |
| 16:58.12 | nkuttler | did somebody already say that raid isn't a backup? |
| 16:58.46 | valdyn | cockroach: thats the same as having a ups |
| 16:58.54 | valdyn | cockroach: or its worse than having a ups |
| 16:58.59 | cockroach | valdyn: unless your psu blows |
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| 16:59.11 | cockroach | valdyn: (well, PSUs) |
| 16:59.17 | clusty | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID-Z#RAID-Z |
| 16:59.21 | clusty | how can i undrstand this? |
| 16:59.28 | valdyn | cockroach: ok alright, either way i dont think hed use raid5 at all if he had money for a hw raid card |
| 16:59.40 | clusty | i took it as: not as horrid as raid5 |
| 16:59.52 | cockroach | valdyn: why not? |
| 16:59.53 | clusty | i have the cash for a hw raid card |
| 16:59.54 | clusty | :D |
| 16:59.58 | clusty | and will get one |
| 16:59.59 | clusty | :D |
| 17:00.06 | valdyn | cockroach: because raid5 sucks |
| 17:00.32 | cockroach | valdyn: if he wants n-1 storage space, then even hardware raid controllers can't do anything smarter than raid5 |
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| 17:00.33 | valdyn | clusty: thats a file system feature |
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| 17:01.08 | shiki- | hello all. |
| 17:01.18 | clusty | valdyn, so to conclude: i can either go: no redundance whatesoever, or half redundancy? |
| 17:01.25 | clusty | all raid 0's |
| 17:01.27 | valdyn | clusty: uh? |
| 17:01.27 | rozie | clusty: why not raid 10? |
| 17:01.29 | unomi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels |
| 17:01.31 | clusty | or 10's |
| 17:01.43 | valdyn | clusty: raid5 sucking does not make raid0 useful |
| 17:01.49 | clusty | rozie, 10 is 4 disks, 2 storage |
| 17:02.04 | rozie | yes it is |
| 17:02.15 | rozie | it's fast and secure |
| 17:02.23 | clusty | but its wastefull in disks |
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| 17:02.26 | valdyn | clusty: or maybe your db server software can do striping |
| 17:02.31 | clusty | guess will just have to fork more cash |
| 17:02.31 | bawok | i think i have problem with socket |
| 17:02.42 | clusty | valdyn, i am using postgres |
| 17:02.43 | rozie | clusty: that's where security came from |
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| 17:02.56 | valdyn | clusty: i have no idea what postgres backends can do |
| 17:03.05 | clusty | rozie, i know. but did nto want to be protected to half of disks blowing |
| 17:03.06 | bawok | i think i have problem with socket because i install shoutcast.tcl can show the song , what command for open socket 53 ? |
| 17:03.10 | clusty | i am happy with 1 blowing |
| 17:03.21 | rozie | clusty: so, raid 5 |
| 17:03.21 | clusty | since it will get replaced within 1 day |
| 17:03.22 | cockroach | valdyn: you can always combine two raid5s using something like drbd :) |
| 17:03.29 | clusty | rozie, that blows for performance |
| 17:03.45 | rozie | clusty: and for how long you can have no protection? |
| 17:03.52 | rozie | 1 day for replacement |
| 17:04.04 | rozie | and how many for rebuild? |
| 17:04.04 | clusty | rozie, its not mission critical db server |
| 17:04.10 | clusty | the pc can go down for 2-3 days |
| 17:04.17 | rozie | oh. DB non mission critical |
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| 17:04.22 | clusty | its development server |
| 17:04.25 | cockroach | then why the redundancy. just keep backups... |
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| 17:04.27 | rozie | with heavy load |
| 17:04.36 | rozie | sounds interesting |
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| 17:05.14 | clusty | well i thought that rather than regular backups we could have smehow autohealing at the price fo 1 disk |
| 17:05.17 | clusty | seems not the case... |
| 17:05.19 | valdyn | clusty: raid5 performance is not that bad if number of concurrent users is low |
| 17:05.20 | tCzern | hi, how can I force to uninstall a package? |
| 17:05.36 | clusty | valdyn, it's basically up to 10 users |
| 17:05.45 | clusty | valdyn, and every1 running very big queries |
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| 17:06.27 | cockroach | tCzern: what do you mean by "force"? |
| 17:06.36 | bawok | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.51 | rozie | clusty: how does it work now? |
| 17:06.57 | tCzern | synpatic manager gives me an error and won't let me uninstall scons. |
| 17:07.04 | tCzern | I need to re-install it |
| 17:07.12 | clusty | rozie, now we have raid 10. this is becoming unbearable |
| 17:07.21 | rozie | why? |
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| 17:07.25 | clusty | rozie, now we have raid 10. when one person starts second can barely work |
| 17:07.40 | rozie | why? |
| 17:07.45 | valdyn | clusty: so you have concurrent *writes* ? |
| 17:07.45 | cockroach | tCzern: what does "apt-get remove scons" say? |
| 17:08.04 | rozie | clusty: find bottleneck |
| 17:08.05 | clusty | valdyn, yes |
| 17:08.19 | rozie | I suspect you have to separate those DB's |
| 17:08.33 | clusty | rozie, meaning? i simply see that iostat reports 95%+ used up |
| 17:08.34 | bawok | i think i have problem with socket because i install shoutcast.tcl can show the song , what command for open socket 53 ? |
| 17:08.34 | bawok | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.10 | tCzern | cockroach: http://pastebin.com/m53bae37e |
| 17:09.11 | rozie | clusty: separate drives/machines for separete db's |
| 17:09.15 | clusty | rozie, what do you mean by finding the bottleneck |
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| 17:09.36 | cockroach | tCzern: eww, looks ugly :) |
| 17:09.40 | clusty | anyways |
| 17:09.47 | rozie | clusty: the slowest part |
| 17:09.55 | rozie | it may be CPU... |
| 17:10.01 | tCzern | cockroach: :-( |
| 17:10.02 | clusty | not cpu |
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| 17:10.33 | clusty | rozie, ram is 30% in use cpu 40-50% (one core, 7 more free) and disk workign like mad |
| 17:10.41 | cockroach | tCzern: is your /usr/bin/python alright? |
| 17:10.43 | valdyn | clusty: access times are your issue most probably, youre not going to fix that with just raid5 |
| 17:11.01 | tCzern | how can I tell? |
| 17:11.13 | clusty | valan, getting those crazy raptor disks? :D |
| 17:11.26 | clusty | 200GB with heatsink :D |
| 17:11.26 | valdyn | clusty: or ssd, or huge amounts of ram |
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| 17:11.34 | cockroach | tCzern: try to run it |
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| 17:11.52 | rozie | clusty: try to separate db's |
| 17:11.53 | clusty | valdyn, well now we have 12GB on that machine. next one will have 24GB ram |
| 17:12.05 | clusty | rozie, there are separate db's on same server/machine |
| 17:12.06 | tCzern | hmm seems to work |
| 17:12.10 | clusty | another thing i wanted to ask is: |
| 17:12.18 | rozie | clusty: on the same drive? |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | clusty: umm, if you have seperate dbs |
| 17:12.39 | valdyn | clusty: then you *need* to use independent spindles for the independent dbs |
| 17:12.48 | valdyn | clusty: that means using multiple raids, not one |
| 17:13.01 | clusty | is there a way for a more "fair" io schedulign policy? like i to be able to copy a small file from the raid partition and not let the db server hog all the io bandwidth then |
| 17:13.02 | clusty | ? |
| 17:13.06 | tCzern | cockroach: but it the wrong version |
| 17:14.01 | clusty | valdyn, it's same raid (so bunch of spindles) |
| 17:14.01 | valdyn | clusty: thats fucked up |
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| 17:14.01 | cockroach | tCzern: hrm, okay, i'm not sure here since i'm not on a debian machine atm, but let's see. what does ls -l /usr/bin/python say? |
| 17:14.01 | clusty | i know |
| 17:14.01 | clusty | up to very shortrly boss did not get DB=io and cpu si useless |
| 17:14.16 | clusty | so he bought some dual quad core xeon with 4GB ram and 1 shitty disk |
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| 17:14.29 | valdyn | clusty: 5 raid 5 - 5 databases each on one raid1 |
| 17:14.52 | valdyn | clusty: thats orders of magnitude faster than a single raid for all 5 db |
| 17:15.05 | valdyn | uh, 5 raid1 even |
| 17:15.05 | clusty | i did nto understand |
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| 17:15.13 | clusty | so basically you say cut it in bits |
| 17:15.22 | clusty | 5 times raid 1 |
| 17:15.31 | clusty | and each project should run on a raid |
| 17:15.32 | clusty | ? |
| 17:15.34 | valdyn | clusty: having 5 raid1 for 5 databases can be orders of magnitude faster than 5 databases on a single raid |
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| 17:15.52 | ranix | especially if the databases are accessed in parallel |
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| 17:16.08 | clusty | valdyn, problem is that 1-2 users (me) generates most of the traffic |
| 17:16.08 | clusty | rest of the ppl just have to be able to do their small queries |
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| 17:16.28 | valdyn | clusty: so put yourself on a seperate raid |
| 17:16.52 | clusty | when i start indexing a table no1 touches any data for 6h |
| 17:17.16 | clusty | valdyn, separate RAID cards or could they share card? |
| 17:17.19 | ranix | you can get all sorts of technical and amazing with raid, but if you have to ask what raid is best for you you'd be best served by researching it yourself and coming up with the "simple stupid" method |
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| 17:17.24 | valdyn | clusty: that doesnt matter |
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| 17:17.38 | ranix | the simpler your raid array is the easier it will be to recover it in a disaster |
| 17:17.46 | mactimes | Hi. I've requested apt-get to install a package and canceled the installation. How do I clean the list of packages pending installation? |
| 17:17.48 | ranix | or, the guy who comes after you |
| 17:18.00 | ranix | apt-get autoremove, I believe mactimes |
| 17:18.17 | valdyn | clusty: independent accesses on independent platters, very simple |
| 17:18.25 | mactimes | ranix: Thanks, I'll check that. |
| 17:18.36 | ranix | mactimes: there's also autoclean |
| 17:18.48 | clusty | valdyn, arghh. i get the whole argumen. I want to to squeeze max perfomance of existing hardware and now hinder other ppl |
| 17:19.13 | ranix | clusty: how do you back up your data |
| 17:19.19 | clusty | so if I could hog all the IO when i am alsone and when some other small guy shows up he can also runa few small queries that is best |
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| 17:19.37 | mactimes | ranix: Hum... apt-get autoremove works for Ubuntu distro. For debian, it doesn't work. Any further ideas? |
| 17:19.47 | ranix | mactimes: autoclean? |
| 17:19.51 | clusty | ranix, more or less manual dumps at critical moments. the data can be replaid within 1 day |
| 17:19.54 | mactimes | ranix: autoremove. |
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| 17:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does... |
| 17:20.02 | clusty | the code that modifies the data is what matters |
| 17:20.06 | ranix | mactimes: I mean, I suggest trying autoclean |
| 17:20.15 | mactimes | ranix: Oh, ok. |
| 17:20.19 | tCzern | cockroach: thanks, I am installing python from source now, hope that helps |
| 17:20.25 | clusty | that is backed up daily |
| 17:20.34 | cockroach | tCzern: err, i wouldn't recommend that. |
| 17:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, it does... |
| 17:20.43 | clusty | so we get stuck on the whole raid idea |
| 17:20.47 | ranix | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure autoremove was what he was looking for |
| 17:20.57 | ranix | depends on when he cancelled his installation |
| 17:21.03 | ranix | one of the two should do it |
| 17:21.08 | mactimes | ranix: Hum... That package is still pending on apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, call me single-minded for answering the question he actually ASKED :) |
| 17:21.13 | clusty | i wanted to know about IO scheduling. if there are "fair" ways of doing it in linux |
| 17:21.24 | ranix | mactimes: ah, you should finish performing your dist-upgrade |
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| 17:21.43 | clusty | that processes get IOreniced on the fly |
| 17:21.51 | mactimes | ranix: The problem is that I cannot do that. For some reason, it's freezing apt-get. |
| 17:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | autoremove removes the packages that are only installed via dependencies and the dependencies are gone |
| 17:22.06 | ranix | mactimes: define freezing |
| 17:22.26 | mactimes | ranix: Some commands are freezing ssh. No logs in the syslog |
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| 17:22.42 | nkuttler | mactimes: don't you use screen? |
| 17:22.44 | ranix | can you dist-upgrade from ssh? |
| 17:23.20 | mactimes | ranix: I'm trying to fix it, but I only have ssh connection for now. It's a remote server, I have physical access from time to time, but I'll only be able to do it in 15 days. |
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| 17:23.29 | cantido | wonders why coping files with dolphin takes 4 times longer than cp.. |
| 17:23.31 | mactimes | ranix: Well, I used to. |
| 17:24.05 | mactimes | ranix: Like, ls -l is ok. If I do a ls -la, the session freezes. |
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| 17:24.25 | mactimes | ranix: reset also freezes the session. |
| 17:24.27 | ranix | mactimes: you can connect with a new session though? |
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| 17:24.34 | mactimes | ranix: Yup |
| 17:24.44 | ranix | mactimes: have you tried sshing in from a different machine? |
| 17:24.56 | ranix | say a windows machine with putty, or ssh in a different terminal type |
| 17:25.03 | mactimes | ranix: Hum. I'll try that. |
| 17:25.05 | ranix | ok |
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| 17:25.16 | ranix | you might have something wrong locally rather than foreignly |
| 17:25.21 | mactimes | ranix: I can connect to other machines though, no local problem. |
| 17:25.28 | cantido | putty's $TERM is xterm though isn't it.. |
| 17:25.38 | ranix | could be a foreign problem that is killing your specific terminal |
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| 17:25.53 | ranix | or you could be rooted |
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| 17:25.57 | mactimes | ranix: I'll try sshing from a remote location. Hang on. |
| 17:26.15 | ranix | that would be a great trick |
| 17:26.32 | ranix | kill the session of any user who tries to replace or remove your rootkit |
| 17:27.03 | cantido | ranix: a root kit should be as hidden as possible though |
| 17:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, but often things are hidden best in plain sight! |
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| 17:27.43 | ranix | especially with the problems we've had today |
| 17:27.49 | ranix | "boss won't let me upgrade from sarge" |
| 17:27.57 | ranix | we had three of them so far in the past six hours |
| 17:28.06 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but instead of killing a user's session you're rootkit would just copy itself somewhere else |
| 17:28.14 | cantido | CutMeOwnThroat: s/you're/your |
| 17:28.31 | cantido | has typing retardation |
| 17:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 17:28.44 | ranix | that'd be tough to do if the user was doing a dist-upgrade |
| 17:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I was just kiddin |
| 17:28.53 | mactimes | ranix: Holly mother of God! It worked from the remote location. |
| 17:28.59 | Oleg_ | people, 9 am gmt - what time will it be in New York when 9 am gmt comes? |
| 17:28.59 | mactimes | Holy* |
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| 17:29.16 | ranix | mactimes: I can't explain it, I just know how our computerized overlords think |
| 17:29.19 | cantido | Oleg_: your desktop doesnt have a clock? |
| 17:29.28 | Oleg_ | no |
| 17:29.29 | ranix | write google and tell them to hire me |
| 17:29.37 | Oleg_ | I am asking you |
| 17:29.49 | Oleg_ | what time will it be in NYC when 9 am gmt comes |
| 17:29.56 | cantido | Oleg_: also do you mean GMT.. or do you mean London? as it's BST at the moment |
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| 17:29.57 | nkuttler | Oleg_: google timezones? |
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| 17:30.08 | ranix | EDT is GMT -4 |
| 17:30.12 | ranix | so 5pm |
| 17:30.20 | mactimes | ranix: It's weird, because this server has the very same configuration of the other server I'm accessing as a 'gateway' to access the 'faulty' one, and everything works just fine. Any ideas of what could be causing it? |
| 17:30.31 | ranix | you may mean greenwich summer time if you're talking a time zone someone is actually using right now |
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| 17:30.39 | careta | I can't use reportbug because it does not send the bug correctly through email - how can I configure my system email for it to work properly? |
| 17:30.50 | ranix | in which case EDT is GST -5 |
| 17:30.52 | DevNullnDull | is dselect used much anymore? |
| 17:30.54 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I did install KDE 4.2 on squeeze but Dolphin isn't displaying my mounted volumes like NFS, should I install something ? |
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| 17:31.19 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: i use it sometimes |
| 17:31.23 | ranix | mactimes: no, but see if the problem survives your dist-upgrade |
| 17:31.26 | ranix | I bet it doesn't |
| 17:31.36 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: why ? |
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| 17:32.31 | mactimes | ranix: Well, everything went fine when I sshed the faulty server while connecting from another server (via ssh too) |
| 17:32.58 | nkuttler | careta: is the box on a fixed ip? |
| 17:33.00 | ranix | mactimes: cool, come back when your dist-upgrade is done if you have any other problems |
| 17:33.06 | ranix | feel free to take off your coat and stay awhile |
| 17:33.08 | careta | no nkuttler |
| 17:33.25 | mactimes | ranix: It's done. I'll try cleaning local putty configs and setting up again. |
| 17:33.26 | nkuttler | careta: i guess you want to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and do the smarthost thing |
| 17:33.27 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: same question to you? The reason I ask with the funtionality of aptitude, why would dselect stay arond? |
| 17:33.31 | ranix | cool |
| 17:33.38 | careta | ok thanks |
| 17:33.51 | mactimes | ranix: Thanks for all help. |
| 17:34.08 | ranix | \m/ |
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| 17:35.02 | tpocra | cockroach: iceweasel 3.5 in experimental is uninstallable |
| 17:35.17 | tpocra | it needs xulrunner-1.9.1 which is non existent |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 17:35.40 | judd | abrotman: xulrunner-1.9.1 -- |
| 17:35.49 | abrotman | tpocra: get it from glanium's site |
| 17:35.56 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: i use it to hold/unhold packages , but now i prefere aptitude hold/unhold |
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| 17:36.27 | tpocra | abrotman: glanium iceweasel in google returns nothing |
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| 17:37.21 | abrotman | whatever it is .. search planet .. |
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| 17:37.55 | abrotman | glandium |
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| 17:38.35 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: was there a time were aptitude did not have the ablitiy to (un)hold files? |
| 17:38.56 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: it was not synced |
| 17:38.59 | fxiny | in etch |
| 17:39.48 | careta | anyone here using squeeze? |
| 17:39.53 | arvind_khadri | hi, how can i play .dat files... please help me... those files are present in the vcd i bought... |
| 17:39.55 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: sorry you lost me, what was synced? apt database? |
| 17:40.10 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: yes |
| 17:40.12 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: mplayer vcd:// |
| 17:40.18 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: did you actually run `file` on it ? |
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| 17:40.43 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: and this is one of the great aptitude improvement , imho |
| 17:40.47 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, no i didnt... but its the file to be played... am sure of it.. |
| 17:40.55 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: no its not |
| 17:41.04 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: vcd are not played by files on it |
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| 17:41.17 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: vcd isnt a file system at all |
| 17:41.47 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: ??? wow, i thought that apt-get, aptitude, and dselect all used the same DB? am i wrong? |
| 17:42.17 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, when i did mplayer vcd:// , it started and closed |
| 17:42.29 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: etch aptitude was not synced with apt |
| 17:42.36 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: and printed quite a bit of info you are not showing us |
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| 17:43.41 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: so in etch aptitude and apt have there own DB's? |
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| 17:44.23 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/41460/ |
| 17:44.34 | karrotx | can you have postfix and sendmail isntalled on the same machine? |
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| 17:45.40 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: broken vcd |
| 17:45.47 | HellFire_ | Hi how do i get lxde in debian 5? |
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| 17:45.49 | valdyn | karrotx: what would be the point? |
| 17:45.53 | valdyn | karrotx: no debian does not support it |
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| 17:46.41 | karrotx | valdyn: i need to roll out a postfix to replace a sendmail on the server |
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| 17:46.57 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: yes , iirc stew or weasel said that in oftc #debian . lenny wasn't stable back then , and i was still using etch , so that was the thing i checked when i moved to lenny . i keep 5 old packages on old |
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| 17:47.52 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, i put another vcd, the same happened... |
| 17:47.53 | tpocra | I just installed Iceweasel 3.5 and I am trying a canvas tag demo here: http://www.nihilogic.dk/labs/juicydrop/ |
| 17:47.55 | fxiny | aptitude is a best |
| 17:47.58 | tpocra | But it wants me to install Flash! |
| 17:48.41 | stew | DevNullnDull: apt-get / aptitude / dselect / dpkg have multiple databases. some of them are shared, some are independent |
| 17:48.50 | luke3321 | Hey, this goes out to those Debian Maintainers and Debian Developers out there, if you have an upstream version of say 1.3.0-beta, how would you denote this for the deb version? |
| 17:48.55 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: mplayer vcd://<tracknumberY |
| 17:48.56 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: mplayer vcd://<tracknumber> |
| 17:49.05 | valdyn | arvind_khadri: read the documentation by yourself... |
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| 17:49.20 | ranix | luke3321: I think that's a #debian-devel thing, it will get lost in the noise here |
| 17:49.45 | luke3321 | ranix: Ah, didnt know there was a #debian-devel, thanks |
| 17:49.48 | ranix | np |
| 17:49.54 | patrikf | luke3321: check #debian-mentors on oftc as well... and read policy/developers-guide ;-) |
| 17:49.54 | mjt | luke3321: it's something like 1.3.0~beta-1 |
| 17:50.03 | stew | DevNullnDull: part of the reason for this is that they store disjoint information. aptitude tracks more about a package than the others do. for instance, aptitude would keep track of when you say "For package: foo, version: 1.2.3 is Forbidden". and dpkg / dselect / apt-get have no place to store that information |
| 17:50.05 | patrikf | s/guide/reference |
| 17:50.06 | fxiny | s/best/beast :) |
| 17:50.21 | luke3321 | patrikf: I have read the policy and developers reference |
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| 17:50.43 | luke3321 | patrikf: And I just went back and skimmed back thru, couldnt find anything on this :s |
| 17:52.57 | DevNullnDull | stew: is there a place or diagram of this flow? I have been reading everything i can about apt, and all. And everything I have readed seem to say the shared the same DB. |
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| 17:53.32 | stew | DevNullnDull: I don't know of one, but: all of them share /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ; aptitude and apt-get share /var/lib/apt/lists/ ; aptitude is the sole user of /var/lib/aptitude/ |
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| 17:54.10 | stew | not /var/lib/dpkg/info but /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:54.23 | DevNullnDull | stew: what about dselect and dkpg? |
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| 17:54.46 | stew | DevNullnDull: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:55.05 | stew | DevNullnDull: and dselect uses /var/lib/apt (since it uses libapt) |
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| 17:56.44 | DevNullnDull | WOW, man just when you think you are getting a handle on something, BAM! not even close. |
| 17:58.09 | arvind_khadri | valdyn, thanks, that works |
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| 18:00.49 | DevNullnDull | So If I going to install an app, which app should one use? |
| 18:00.57 | fxiny | aptitude |
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| 18:01.32 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: do you ever use apt-get? |
| 18:01.51 | fxiny | never |
| 18:01.52 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitiude |
| 18:01.56 | DevNullnDull | on top of that dpkg? |
| 18:02.06 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 18:02.06 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 18:02.07 | stew | DevNullnDull: we typically recommend aptitude. unless there are going to be dependency problems to resolve, you should be able to use apt-get just as well |
| 18:02.25 | jpinx-eeepc | DevNullnDull: see above ^^ |
| 18:02.34 | Qew | the only time I'll use apt-get is to download the Debianised source package: aptitude still can't handle doing that, although it can now build-dep |
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| 18:02.59 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: in etch i always double checked it with apt-get |
| 18:03.22 | fxiny | in lenny i just relax ;) |
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| 18:05.06 | DevNullnDull | fxiny stew Thanks for opening my eyes. This is not the easy system learn fully. apt make installing package WAY to easy. but for people like me (studying for lpic-1) wanting to know how it all works apt is alot. |
| 18:05.26 | stew | DevNullnDull: just use aptitude and ignore the rest |
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| 18:05.52 | simlan | Hi! I'm having troubles installing mediatomb, "dpkg: error processing mediatomb-daemon (--install) subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1", what is wrong? How can I fix it? |
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| 18:05.57 | DevNullnDull | stew: hear you load and clear. |
| 18:06.47 | stew | most of those things in the "why aptitude" are true now for apt-get as well, aptitude has better searching and dependency resolution still, however |
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| 18:07.34 | Qew | mind you, for some, it might be good to use apt-get update on occasion: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40847&start=0 |
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| 18:08.12 | chuckkh | hi, just upgraded to testing (my sata drive had problems last week with testing, while I was installing, now it's ok) and trying to compile a kernel. make-kpkg clean gives this: http://pastebin.ca/1489895 |
| 18:09.06 | chuckkh | I previously made from the same directory kernel, headers and modules, but I didn't tell make-kpkg anything about them, so I'm not sure how it knows about that .deb file |
| 18:09.26 | chuckkh | er, my mistake, the headers dir, not the .deb |
| 18:09.34 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: on this PII 400 , when dist-upgrading , aptitude chewed over one hour to solve all dependencies . this was a mixed bpo , volatile and dmm box . i'm still impressed |
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| 18:12.28 | chuckkh | why is it even entering this linux-headers-2.6.29.5-rt21-cshjr directory, from a previously compiled kernel, on make-kpkg clean? |
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| 18:12.31 | DevNullnDull | fxiny: i think i know bpo is backports, and dmm is media... what is volatile? |
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| 18:13.11 | stew | DevNullnDull: volatile is like an official backports for packages like clamav / spamassassin that need periodic updates (/msg dpkg volatile) |
| 18:13.20 | fxiny | DevNullnDull: volatile is nice , i use it for clamav |
| 18:13.32 | fxiny | oops |
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| 18:15.58 | DevNullnDull | stew: Great I was looking for a repo like this on monday. |
| 18:16.22 | stew | i notice that volatile is being enabled by default by the current stable installer now |
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| 18:17.10 | chuckkh | dpkg -r refuses to remove the headers pkg because the directory is not empty- WTF? |
| 18:17.10 | dpkg | removes refuses to remove the headers pkg because the directory is not empty- WTF along with a pound of flesh from chuckkh's body, then staples chuckkh back up with a staple gun. |
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| 18:17.48 | stew | chuckkh: is it refusing to remove the package? or a directory initially created by the package? |
| 18:18.14 | chuckkh | stew: directories, all of them apparently |
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| 18:19.13 | chuckkh | is it generally safe to empty the main directory and then dpkg -r? that seems un-Debian to me |
| 18:19.20 | marienjoanny | marienjoanny |
| 18:19.38 | Eulex | chuckkh, it might be that there are files in the directories that dpkg did not install. |
| 18:20.05 | chuckkh | Eulex: ah, I remember now, probably some fglrx files |
| 18:20.57 | chuckkh | Eulex: but I don't see any |
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| 18:22.31 | chuckkh | Eulex: perhaps if I reconfigure? |
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| 18:24.36 | cy-borg | I'm thinking I could play a sound, or osdcat it |
| 18:24.43 | chuckkh | a ha, it DID remove the package, it just didn't delete the extra stuff, now I get it |
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| 18:25.38 | daffidity | !paste |
| 18:25.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 18:25.38 | DevNullnDull | stew: you said that dselect used /var/lib/apt? But i don't see anything in there except cdrom.list. Is that because I have never used dselect? |
| 18:25.45 | chuckkh | NOW cd /usr/src/linux says 'no such file or directory'??? I'm looking right at it |
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| 18:26.46 | chuckkh | ok I think I got it |
| 18:27.06 | _tux | hi guys anyone has some knowhow of the /etc/inittab ? |
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| 18:27.48 | chuckkh | _tux: sounds familiar, what about it? |
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| 18:28.25 | _tux | chuckkh: in the 3rd field |
| 18:28.29 | fxiny | cy-borg: osdcat and mail alert for records |
| 18:28.30 | delaman | whats the quicks and easiest way to install nvidia video driver with debian? |
| 18:28.36 | stew | DevNullnDull: i might have been wrong about dselect using /var/lib/apt, I thought dselect was using libapt like apt-get and aptitude, but that doesn't appear to be the case |
| 18:28.55 | _tux | i dont know the difference of sysinit, boot,bottwait |
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| 18:29.19 | stew | _tux: have you looked at "man inittab"? |
| 18:29.40 | _tux | chuckkhso where is the difference of bootwait and boot for example |
| 18:29.47 | DevNullnDull | stew: is all good, you have just opened my eyes greatly. i do thank you. |
| 18:30.12 | stew | DevNullnDull: very few people use dselect anymore, I'd recommend ignoring it |
| 18:30.22 | cy-borg | fxiny: but how do I know when the event happens |
| 18:30.23 | _tux | ahhh true ill read that and get back if i still have a question |
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| 18:30.38 | cy-borg | I can't just have an infinite loop checking the log for changes |
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| 18:30.57 | chuckkh | yeah it's there, I just found it; bootwait is the same, but doesn't continue until the script in question finishes |
| 18:31.22 | _tux | chuckkh: thanks |
| 18:31.31 | chuckkh | :) |
| 18:31.52 | fxiny | cy-borg: i have a script to block all my crontabs scripts like this : ppp0=`/sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "ppp0" ; if [ -z "$ppp0" ]; then |
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| 18:35.07 | dkr | fxiny: "ifconfig ppp0" would make a little more sense in that case |
| 18:35.20 | g00se | cyborg: man wpa_action ? |
| 18:35.37 | dkr | fxiny: it would return 0 if ppp0 there else 1 |
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| 18:35.56 | fxiny | dkr: nice , i'll change mine :) |
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| 18:39.23 | cy-borg | g00se: I considered editing wpa_action so that it plays sounds on interesting events |
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| 18:39.42 | cy-borg | I don't see how I can use it as is |
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| 18:40.43 | daffidity | hi. I am on debian 2.6.29 and have an intel sound card but no sound. System>preferences>sound>Test gives me this error message http://paste.debian.net/41466/ |
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| 18:41.29 | daffidity | in the terminal, |
| 18:41.30 | daffidity | $ alsamixer |
| 18:41.30 | daffidity | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 18:41.36 | breeg | debian lenny installer hanging when tryign to launch partitioner, mdadm --check or whatever is still running |
| 18:42.16 | cahoot | daffidity: try speaker-test -t wav -c2 as root - same error? |
| 18:43.19 | daffidity | !paste |
| 18:43.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 18:44.03 | daffidity | cahoot: This is the output i get http://paste.debian.net/41468/ |
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| 18:44.58 | cahoot | daffidity: any card listed by: cat /proc/asound/cards? |
| 18:45.15 | daffidity | Cahoot. yes my intel card is listed |
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| 18:45.23 | cahoot | as card0? |
| 18:45.46 | daffidity | as 1 |
| 18:45.47 | daffidity | aha |
| 18:46.16 | cahoot | daffidity: used to have some usb audio device atteched? |
| 18:46.33 | cahoot | or webcam? |
| 18:46.38 | daffidity | yes was also trying to get logitech usb speakers to work |
| 18:46.47 | daffidity | and then lost all sound :-( |
| 18:46.55 | cahoot | daffidity: try alsa force-reload |
| 18:46.59 | daffidity | okay |
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| 18:48.37 | daffidity | cahoot. yay. intel sound card now works again. any ideas how to get a pair of logitech usb speakers working? |
| 18:48.43 | DevNullnDull | stew: i see the /var/lib/dpkg/status is the file DB, but what is all that is /var/lib/dpkg/info/* ? |
| 18:49.29 | stew | DevNullnDull: control files installed by the individual packages |
| 18:49.49 | stew | DevNullnDull: the scripts that get run during package configuration, a list of files / conffiles installed by the package, etc |
| 18:50.08 | cahoot | daffidity: not really - but plug them in and put the output of cat /proc/aspund/cars on a pastebin |
| 18:50.29 | cahoot | nm the typos |
| 18:51.14 | dustybin | what is the name of that x windows manager what tiles everything for you, its very minimal |
| 18:51.33 | fxiny | scrot ? |
| 18:51.35 | wiretapped | there are many |
| 18:51.37 | wiretapped | awesome |
| 18:51.39 | dustybin | not scrot |
| 18:51.39 | wiretapped | ratpoison |
| 18:51.40 | wiretapped | ion |
| 18:51.43 | dustybin | yes awesome is one |
| 18:51.49 | wiretapped | google for tiling window manager |
| 18:51.52 | fxiny | xmonad here |
| 18:51.56 | stew | dustybin: ratpoison, ion3, awesome, wmii-3, dwm, scumwm... |
| 18:52.00 | dustybin | yeah xmonad, thts the one |
| 18:52.09 | daffidity | cahoot : http://paste.debian.net/41469/ |
| 18:52.14 | dustybin | blimin 'ek there are loads |
| 18:52.27 | dustybin | anybody have personal favourites? |
| 18:52.31 | fxiny | yes |
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| 18:52.35 | fxiny | ;))) |
| 18:52.37 | stew | dustybin: you can asume everyone does |
| 18:53.05 | cahoot | daffidity: just for kicks try speaker-test -D Speaker -t wav -c2 |
| 18:53.14 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 18:53.38 | Yatsuko | hello |
| 18:53.44 | daffidity | cahoot: I set all the fields in system>preferences>sound to usb speakers |
| 18:54.02 | breeg | any idea what to do if mdadm hangs in installer? |
| 18:54.10 | Yatsuko | i'd like to have ee (easy editor) that's in freebsd in debian, where to get please? |
| 18:54.53 | daffidity | cahoot: speaker-test -D Speaker -t wav -c2 > http://paste.debian.net/41470/ |
| 18:55.35 | cahoot | daffidity: right - just goes to show I don't know |
| 18:56.36 | daffidity | cahoot: thanks for your help. The reason i switched from ubuntu to debian is that those speakers worked fine on someone else computer running debian |
| 18:56.59 | cahoot | daffidity: so speak to 'someone else' ;) |
| 18:57.04 | phorce1 | whoops, I'm in d.ot -- sorry |
| 18:57.19 | phorce1 | has fat fingers today |
| 18:57.22 | daffidity | cahoot: someone else cannot be bothered to help me |
| 18:57.22 | phorce1 | so, I just moved a bunch of customer data from the regular FS into a cfs folder. Empty space on the drives where the data was located totals close to a terabyte among them. What would geeks suggest I use to sanitize the empty space without hard reformatting multiple drives that still have other data on them? |
| 18:57.41 | daffidity | coz it just plugs and plays on his laptop |
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| 18:59.00 | cahoot | daffidity: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:usbspeakers |
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| 18:59.25 | ehazlett | greetings... i am trying to run a dpkg-reconfigure on boot with rc.local -- it fails with "failed to open terminal.debconf" -- if i run sudo /etc/rc.local start -- it works, any ideas? |
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| 19:00.07 | daffidity | cahoot: thanks. will have a read |
| 19:00.31 | fxiny | phorce1: i like scrub |
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| 19:01.20 | fxiny | phorce1: it fills the empty space with a special large file |
| 19:02.11 | GFH[Work] | Is there a tool to find a dependency tree for a package? |
| 19:02.17 | phorce1 | fxiny: doesn't show up in apt-cache search. just libhtml-scrubber-perl |
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| 19:02.51 | phorce1 | fxiny: and, OUCH! one of the drives has near 500G free on its own |
| 19:03.09 | fxiny | phorce1: i compiled it , i'm not sure could be in experimental |
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| 19:03.46 | fxiny | phorce1: 500 ? no porbs , scrub is fast and it won't boil your hd |
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| 19:04.43 | phorce1 | how does one show what programs are contained in a package? it may be part od the secure-delete package |
| 19:04.53 | fxiny | is not |
| 19:06.04 | fxiny | scrub is something else , no multi-pass but a large file full of special patterns |
| 19:06.15 | phorce1 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-make-retrieving-data-more-difficult.html |
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| 19:06.43 | unomi | how sensitive is the data? |
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| 19:07.18 | unomi | I mean, you really do need multiple pass if it is something that data forensics would trying to look at |
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| 19:07.25 | Yatsuko | wonder if you looked at my question even |
| 19:07.28 | g00se | phorcel: dpkg -l or apt-file |
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| 19:08.18 | unomi | what question Yatsuko |
| 19:08.25 | phorce1 | unomi: credit card numbers, social security numbers, etc. I'll probably end up pulling the drives and moving the unencrypted data to new platters then destroying or securely multi-wiping the old drives later but the customer needs them back for a few week ... NOW |
| 19:08.28 | g00se | phorcel: Sorry dpkg-query -l |
| 19:08.32 | minerale | I have a server that is accepting network connections, but everything hangs. Ie: telnet to port 22 responds with SSH-1.99-OpenSSH .., but authentication does not work |
| 19:08.45 | minerale | (is this a filesystem type issue? |
| 19:08.56 | Yatsuko | i'd like to have ee (easy editor) that's in freebsd in debian, where to get please? |
| 19:09.31 | unomi | phorce1: send the drives to me, ill clean them up along with the accounts |
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| 19:09.42 | Yatsuko | need a good console text editor |
| 19:09.45 | Yatsuko | and ee is the best |
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| 19:09.58 | hiwk | where is the conventional place to change the LC_* vairables for a user? |
| 19:10.05 | hiwk | using bash |
| 19:10.11 | fxiny | phorce1: you acn use badblocks , dd or shred . you can damage the drive though |
| 19:10.30 | unomi | Yatsuko: apt-get install eee |
| 19:10.45 | Yatsuko | really? |
| 19:10.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | minerale, you can connect to it with ssh -v -v -v -v -v yourhost, perhaps that helps... but actually SSH-1.99-OpenSSH... that doesn't look like a Debian-sshd |
| 19:10.52 | unomi | perhaps |
| 19:10.52 | Yatsuko | thanks |
| 19:10.55 | Yatsuko | oh... |
| 19:11.02 | phorce1 | unomi: heh |
| 19:11.09 | xshadowfire | hiwk: .bashrc? |
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| 19:11.29 | rozie | http://packages.debian.org/etch/ee |
| 19:11.45 | rozie | but there's no lenny version |
| 19:11.46 | phorce1 | fxiny: I'll grab scrub and play with it |
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| 19:12.01 | g00se | ee was in Etch |
| 19:12.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ee |
| 19:12.04 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: ee -- etch: 1:1.4.2-7 |
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| 19:12.27 | jpinx-eeepc | phorce1: I seem to remember being told to overwrite discs with /dev/rand a couple of timess to ensure they are totally obscured |
| 19:12.29 | hiwk | xshadowfire: ok, thanks |
| 19:12.56 | phorce1 | fxiny: they don't need them for about 48 hours so I may script a repeating run of it and CTRL-C it when it's time to give them back |
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| 19:13.42 | unomi | ah Yatsuko, sorry I couldn't read it clearly here.. there is 'aee' |
| 19:13.50 | unomi | which is 'advanced easy editor' |
| 19:14.02 | Yatsuko | ok, thanks then |
| 19:14.08 | phorce1 | jpinx-eeepc: I thought about it but that's a disk killer. It also brings a system to it's knees while you're doing it |
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| 19:14.32 | Yatsuko | ee rules, and debian does too for having it |
| 19:14.36 | jpinx-eeepc | phorce1: true - but it's pretty bomb-proof - no chance of recovering the data ;) |
| 19:14.40 | phorce1 | jpinx-eeepc: I was looking for something that can be 'nice'd into behaving itself |
| 19:14.42 | Yatsuko | as does freebsd ofc |
| 19:14.43 | fxiny | phorce1: repeated run ? |
| 19:15.31 | fxiny | phorce1: read the NEWS file or look for the scrub-1.9-2 deb , could be sid ? dunno |
| 19:15.32 | jpinx-eeepc | phorce1: if the data is not physically over-written it can be recovered by ddrescue or whatever~ |
| 19:15.35 | phorce1 | fxiny: run scrub til it exits then run it again, then run it .... loop in a bash script |
| 19:15.57 | phorce1 | jpinx-eeepc: scrub appears to overwrite it |
| 19:16.17 | jpinx-eeepc | then it'll bring your system to its knees - unless you can nice it |
| 19:17.04 | jpinx-eeepc | phorce1: I'll be interested in how you get on with scrub - I need to clear a couple of drives before selling them. |
| 19:17.16 | phorce1 | fxiny: yeah, not grabbeded yet so I haven't read the docs. (other customers on phone while I also read/type in IRC and read/type to original customer using AIM |
| 19:17.30 | rozie | jpinx-eeepc: use shred |
| 19:17.31 | fxiny | phorce1: is overwritten in a smart way , it usss patterns |
| 19:17.37 | fxiny | uses* |
| 19:17.46 | jpinx-eeepc | what's wrong phorce1 - haven't you got hands? |
| 19:17.50 | fxiny | shred is dumb |
| 19:18.05 | jpinx-eeepc | ;) |
| 19:18.06 | fxiny | dd is dumb , i mean *how* you overwrite ? |
| 19:18.07 | rozie | fxiny: you mean? |
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| 19:18.50 | redspike | hi all, i have write a webapplication that going to run on a touchscreen terminal, how can i get firefox to try to reload "the home" if the network connection is broken? |
| 19:18.50 | fxiny | rozie: yes |
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| 19:18.53 | jpinx-eeepc | rozie: not sure if shred actually overwrites every single bit on the hdd |
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| 19:19.01 | fxiny | rozie: it can damage a hd |
| 19:19.05 | rozie | jpinx-eeepc: it does |
| 19:19.19 | jelly-home | fxiny: patterns appropriate for the underlying technology, or patterns appropriate for ye olde MFM or RLL4,7? |
| 19:19.19 | rozie | fxiny: how? |
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| 19:19.50 | fxiny | jelly-home: German Center of security information recommended , read scrub docs |
| 19:20.17 | g00se | redspike: homepage is presumably on the local disk? |
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| 19:20.25 | jelly-home | fxiny: that doesn't mean they're any more useful than passes of /dev/urandom. |
| 19:20.26 | rozie | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda should be enough |
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| 19:20.37 | fxiny | rozie: i'm not saying shred does it |
| 19:20.49 | redspike | g00se: now but i can write a page that try to refresh to "the right page" |
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| 19:21.08 | redspike | g00se: imean that it shuld try to go to what is set in firefox to "home" |
| 19:21.22 | fxiny | jelly-home: dd if=/dev/urandom ? |
| 19:21.43 | g00se | redspike: if 'the network connection is broken' how can it reach any page unless it's local? |
| 19:22.05 | jelly-home | fxiny: or a faster userspace equivalent |
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| 19:22.31 | fxiny | jelly-home: scrub is fast , i did my tests with dd and badblocks |
| 19:22.39 | redspike | g00se: it cant but it can try and wait and then try to the network connection comes up. so the application "recover itself" |
| 19:22.45 | phorce1 | fxiny: I love how that link to scrub says there are packages for redhat, ubuntu, debian, etc --- but when you go to download there's on tar.bz and .rpm :-D |
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| 19:23.17 | fxiny | phorce1: can't remember where i got |
| 19:23.45 | qneo | hi, I've installed squeeze, and then linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686 (because of wifi). now I'm trying to install linux-headers, but I'm getting: |
| 19:23.49 | qneo | The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:23.56 | g00se | redspike: You could just ping something in a loop and take action if it fails |
| 19:24.05 | qneo | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 19:24.17 | Yatsuko | okay |
| 19:24.21 | Yatsuko | apparently |
| 19:24.29 | Yatsuko | aee isn't quite the same as ee |
| 19:24.31 | fxiny | jelly-home: what i'm saying is : scrub is light , it makes a large smart file only , the idea being that this file is not random at all |
| 19:24.51 | fxiny | but it try to confuse a recovery |
| 19:24.54 | Yatsuko | dow do i add ascii character by code, using aee |
| 19:25.57 | jelly-home | fxiny: and I'm saying that it's pretty much irrelevant if you use a pattern made for obsolete magnetic encodings or just a number of pseudorandom passes |
| 19:26.18 | redspike | g00se: mm think iam going to do that |
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| 19:26.40 | fxiny | ikonia: that "obsolete" is interesting , yes |
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| 19:26.43 | fxiny | oops |
| 19:26.44 | Noble | Is there a tool to check a HDD for hw faults in linux? |
| 19:27.07 | fxiny | jelly-home: that "obsolete" is interesting |
| 19:27.24 | g00se | Noble: smartmon |
| 19:27.52 | jelly-home | fxiny: MFM and RLL are; that's what the DoD and that 35-pass patterns are created for |
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| 19:28.10 | g00se | Noble: smartmontools |
| 19:28.34 | Noble | g00se: Ty, will check |
| 19:28.39 | jelly-home | fxiny: I've no idea what works on recent media, that does PRML or more complex methods |
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| 19:29.20 | fxiny | jelly-home: Gutmann 35-pass ? yes , i know but again i want a light "tool" |
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| 19:31.13 | fxiny | jelly-home: scrub is Dod compliant |
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| 19:32.26 | OpenTokix | just dd if=/dev/zeros of=/dev/hdX |
| 19:32.31 | OpenTokix | its more then enough |
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| 19:32.43 | fxiny | i dunno |
| 19:32.48 | OpenTokix | Unless you suspect an attacker with _very_ deep pockets |
| 19:32.52 | fxiny | i'm not into data recovery |
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| 19:33.31 | fxiny | i can beat any data recovery agent : hd are chep :) |
| 19:33.32 | jelly-home | OpenTokix: in that case, you don't sell off media but physically destroy it |
| 19:33.32 | phorce1 | jelly-home: from the docs: Scrub may be insufficient to thwart heroic efforts to recover data in an appropriately equipped lab. |
| 19:33.37 | fxiny | cheap* |
| 19:33.43 | simonrvn | like your gov't (even though that $$ is made off stolen lands and "resources") |
| 19:33.44 | OpenTokix | jelly-home: correct |
| 19:33.45 | phorce1 | jelly-home: Scrub may be insufficient to thwart heroic efforts to recover data in an appropriately equipped lab. |
| 19:33.59 | jelly-home | !tell phorce1 -about repeat |
| 19:34.00 | phorce1 | jelly-home: Scrub nnsa patterns are reasonable for sanitizing modern PRML/EPRML |
| 19:34.02 | fxiny | phorce1: yes , i know that |
| 19:34.03 | smokes | Hello, is there a linux command that gives the info for ones current dhcp connection? |
| 19:34.32 | jelly-home | phorce1: yeah, and they seem to consist of two pseudorandom passes + a single pattern |
| 19:34.58 | fxiny | phorce1: so try to imagine what happen if you overwrite with 0 |
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| 19:35.21 | g00se | smokes: /sbin/ifconfig ? |
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| 19:35.54 | OpenTokix | smokes: cat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.* |
| 19:35.57 | ksnp | hi, anyone having troubling getting packages from http.us.debian.org ? |
| 19:36.01 | ksnp | i keep getting Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxcb/libxcb-render0_1.1-1.1_i386.deb: |
| 19:36.40 | smokes | gracias folks, I'll check it out... |
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| 19:37.54 | ksnp | what does scor is -9836 imply ? |
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| 19:38.24 | roniwiz | hi to everyone |
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| 19:39.02 | ranix | Is it normal for my server that's been up for about 40 minutes to have roughly 110 page faults? |
| 19:39.05 | adb | judd: versions libxcb-render0 |
| 19:39.07 | judd | adb: libxcb-render0 -- etch-backports: 1.1-1.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.1-1.1 sid: 1.3-2 squeeze: 1.3-2 |
| 19:39.30 | hans0lo | ksnp: I'm getting a 404 Not found on that file |
| 19:39.38 | adb | ksnp: try libxcb-render0_1.1-1.2_i386.deb |
| 19:39.41 | hans0lo | ksnp: try apt-get update first |
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| 19:39.59 | yodator | hey all, you must see this http://www.sexy-lena.com/?uid=345690 |
| 19:40.12 | ksnp | ok |
| 19:40.27 | ksnp | guys, why is http.us.debian.org down ? |
| 19:40.32 | ksnp | i can ping, but can't get packages |
| 19:40.45 | adb | 21:35:45] <hans0lo> ksnp: try apt-get update first |
| 19:41.14 | ksnp | ya i am doing that now |
| 19:41.28 | ksnp | do mirrors, http.us and security.debian all have same packages ? |
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| 19:41.36 | ksnp | mirrors.kernel i mean |
| 19:41.46 | hans0lo | ksnp: yes, they should |
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| 19:42.00 | hans0lo | ksnp: just checked, http.us.debian.org is not down |
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| 19:43.11 | ksnp | ok, so i guess its the package version then, ok got it |
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| 19:43.50 | qneo | hi, I've just installed squeeze, and then linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 (because of my wifi). now I'm trying to install linux-headers, but I'm getting this error: |
| 19:43.55 | qneo | The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:43.56 | ksnp | would the packages in the http.us, mirrors.kernel, and security.debian be all same, i find the http.us has more or better repository |
| 19:44.05 | qneo | am I doing something wrong? |
| 19:44.39 | justin | ksnp: http.us.debian.org is not a single server |
| 19:44.52 | hans0lo | qneo: try apt-get update? |
| 19:45.12 | hans0lo | ksnp: I believe security.debian.org only has security updates |
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| 19:45.52 | qneo | hans0lo: sure I did it, and rebooted to the new kernel. but still the same |
| 19:46.32 | g00se | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxcb/libxcb-render0_1.1-1.2_i386.deb in Lenny |
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| 19:46.50 | hans0lo | qneo: have you tried using aptitude or some other package manager, to see what kbuild versions are available? Then match the kernel image and headers to that ver? |
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| 19:47.18 | Redeuxx | hi, what permissions do should I chmod a home directory so that the owner can do everything, but no one else can, even list files is it 700? |
| 19:47.26 | qneo | hans0lo: apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:47.35 | g00se | ksnp: ^^ |
| 19:47.43 | qneo | it's there ^ |
| 19:47.44 | hans0lo | Redeuxx: chmod 770 |
| 19:47.57 | justin | Redeuxx: chmod og= ~ |
| 19:48.15 | hans0lo | qneo: Odd. Can you browse to http://http.us.debian.org and find the file and download it manually? |
| 19:48.18 | qneo | hans0lo: the same result with apt-get, and aptitude. and search show the package |
| 19:48.28 | qneo | hans0lo: I'll try |
| 19:48.36 | smokes | hmm..I'm trying to net-install, the manual says I must change "dhcpd.conf", but I am uncertain of what to change it to, specifically things like "servername" and "option domain-name-servers", these aren't the sets of numbers that I would've expected to use... |
| 19:48.38 | hans0lo | qneo: I'm guessing you won't be able to.. |
| 19:49.01 | hans0lo | qneo: seems like your package list is out of date.. but let me check my cache |
| 19:49.08 | adb | qneo: install 2.6.30 , linux-kbuild-2.6.29 is gone |
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| 19:49.36 | justin | smokes: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 19:49.55 | hans0lo | qneo: apt-get install linux-kbuild-2.6.26 |
| 19:50.09 | smokes | I'm trying to install debian on my hard drive from a net-boot |
| 19:50.22 | hans0lo | qneo: I guess kbuild has not caught up to your kernel? |
| 19:50.28 | Redeuxx | justin: thanks! exactly what I needed |
| 19:50.32 | justin | smokes: ok.. you shouldn't have to be editing any dhcp config files to do that... |
| 19:51.09 | beawesomeinstead | does anyone know where's debian's dovecot-1.2-work repository located? |
| 19:51.14 | hans0lo | qneo: run kernel 2.6.26 and you should be able to do what you need |
| 19:51.18 | qneo | hans0lo, adb, OK, I'll try 2.6.30 then, I need higher than 2.6.26 - because of my wifi - intel 5300 (iwlagn module) |
| 19:51.39 | adb | qneo: here you go |
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| 19:51.53 | hans0lo | qneo: Sometimes it's so much easier to go buy a better supported wifi card. LOL |
| 19:52.07 | smokes | Well, I've been trying to follow the manual at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 19:52.38 | justin | smokes: ooh, you are trying to use pxe? |
| 19:52.42 | g00se | smokes: The box that has the image must act as the dhcp server afaicr |
| 19:52.45 | adb | qneo: i meant 2.6.30 from backport |
| 19:52.50 | smokes | I wouldn't doubt that I may have misunderstood something.. |
| 19:52.51 | justin | g00se: false |
| 19:53.22 | justin | smokes: you only need to do that stuff if you can't just boot off of a cdrom or usb key and really want to boot off the network |
| 19:53.23 | g00se | justin: ah ok. Must = can? |
| 19:53.42 | smokes | I'm trying to use grub, and I've got that setup, but I've no idea what to do about ensuring the net-connection from there... |
| 19:53.50 | justin | g00se: it defaults to the same server, the 'next-server' option overrides that |
| 19:54.05 | justin | smokes: pxegrub? |
| 19:54.25 | qneo | adb: I was installing 2.6.29 from snapshots (that's on wiki for squeeze) |
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| 19:54.30 | adb | dpkg: tell qneo about backport |
| 19:54.32 | smokes | Actually, I can't boot any other way, I'm stuck with DSL as my OS...no burning software etc. |
| 19:54.49 | justin | smokes: is DSL installed to the hard drive? |
| 19:54.51 | adb | qneo: ah on squeeze ? |
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| 19:55.02 | qneo | adb: yes, on squeeze |
| 19:55.03 | smokes | don't know what version of grub I have, but DSL is hd-installed |
| 19:55.21 | justin | smokes: ah, then technically you can just download the debian installer kernel and ramdisk, and point the DSL bootloader at that |
| 19:55.39 | justin | smokes: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 19:55.55 | justin | smokes: though with that method you only get one try, if you mess up then you'll have to get pxe to work :) |
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| 19:56.47 | adb | qneo: 2.6.30 is in repos , wget all you needs , and install by dpkg -i pkg , |
| 19:56.52 | smokes | hold on please, I'm gonna read that part again... |
| 19:57.27 | qneo | adb: ok, I'll try, if I'll get another result |
| 19:57.39 | justin | smokes: all pxe will do for you is load the kernel+ramdisk over the network |
| 19:57.40 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.48 | adb | qneo: ^^ |
| 19:57.54 | justin | smokes: you can load the same kernel+ramdisk via the bootloader installed from DSL, the result will be the same |
| 19:58.14 | smokes | Oh yeah, that's the part I've done, but it didn't involve my net-connection and didn't boot |
| 19:58.49 | smokes | I've been stuck on this part of the install for a couple of days, to my shame. |
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| 19:59.14 | adb | !tftp |
| 19:59.14 | dpkg | tftp is, like, the Trivial File Transer Protocol, an insecure file transfer protocol without authentication designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. To establish a TFTP server on Lenny and Etch, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart", place content to be served in /var/lib/tftpboot |
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| 19:59.18 | justin | smokes: if DSL works, just download the kernel+ramdisk, add it to the grub menu and reboot |
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| 20:00.24 | smokes | It's currently on the Grub menu, but it returns an error of some kind, this is the computer I'm using right now. |
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| 20:00.51 | justin | smokes: what error? |
| 20:00.55 | smokes | let me check out /var/lib/tftpboot for a second... |
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| 20:01.08 | Stalker`` | hi all :) |
| 20:01.13 | Stalker`` | anyone by chance use xen? |
| 20:01.15 | justin | smokes: you're getting ahead of yourself |
| 20:01.19 | OpenTokix | Stalker``: yeah |
| 20:01.24 | smokes | I'm not sure I'm recalling right, but either Grub error 15 or 17 |
| 20:01.32 | Stalker`` | OpenTokix, if i change the HD size via xen, how to i get the OS to recognize it? |
| 20:01.38 | smokes | my bad, sorry |
| 20:01.41 | OpenTokix | Stalker``: reboot |
| 20:01.45 | Stalker`` | i did. |
| 20:01.57 | Stalker`` | xen side says 100gb, OS reads 4gb |
| 20:01.57 | OpenTokix | Stalker``: did you resize the partition and filesystem? |
| 20:02.04 | OpenTokix | Stalker``: what does dmesg in the os say? |
| 20:02.12 | Stalker`` | i havent done anything inside the VM, ive only changed the xen side. |
| 20:02.32 | OpenTokix | Stalker``: ok, you need to resize the partition inside the domU and then resize the FS |
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| 20:02.57 | Stalker`` | how do i resize the fs? |
| 20:03.05 | blouf | Stalker``: gparted |
| 20:03.28 | blouf | :> |
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| 20:04.09 | Stalker`` | never heard of it :x |
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| 20:05.32 | Lns | Stalker``: now you have? =p |
| 20:05.39 | Stalker`` | resize2fs ? |
| 20:05.50 | Stalker`` | lol Lns, you are correct! |
| 20:06.03 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:06.14 | Stalker`` | im just new to this, searching on google a bit and figured you guys might have some good advice :D |
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| 20:06.26 | Stalker`` | hi Azrael_- |
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| 20:06.57 | Azrael_- | i want to install both vsftpd and pureftpd at the same time. but apt always uninstalls the other one if i try to install the second. how can i accomplish this? |
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| 20:08.38 | Stalker`` | Azrael_-, try to compile the other from source? |
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| 20:08.54 | drwn | how I can restrict one user for just work with files about web ? |
| 20:08.55 | Azrael_- | no chance to do it by using the packet-manager? |
| 20:09.41 | hans0lo | smokes: you sure DSL doesn't come with burning software? cdrecord or wodim |
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| 20:12.50 | smokes | The sad thing it doesn't I only have a real old version that has a lot of errors, the OS doesn't even recognize changes to my "sources.list", and if I pull a apt-get upgrade it always reverts the sources.list to stuff with "Woody" on it... |
| 20:13.21 | smokes | * my bad I meant to say apt-get update |
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| 20:14.52 | smokes | I was fine untill I began to learn (barely) enough to realize how broken my only OS (live disc) is |
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| 20:16.08 | Lns | Azrael_-: dpkg --set-selections and --hold might be of use to you |
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| 20:17.42 | smokes | sorry to @#tch, been stuck on this system for going on two months. |
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| 20:18.21 | stew | smokes: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 20:19.25 | smokes | where should I type it, kind of large, don't want to "jam" the channel or anything |
| 20:19.50 | stew | smokes: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:20.18 | smokes | oh yeah, I forgot thanks, it might take a minute though... |
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| 20:20.33 | Lns | !! Never thought of a pastebin bot you could msg =) |
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| 20:20.49 | stew | smokes: you might as well include your sources.list |
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| 20:23.45 | jab_doa | hi |
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| 20:24.32 | jab_doa | how can i set the encoding for the first created postgresql cluster? seems to be random. i did unattended install on 5 nodes. 2 got sql_ascii, 3 got utf8 |
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| 20:25.44 | Azrael_- | thx, works |
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| 20:27.30 | Pnux | stupid question, why is there a {a} after the packages names sometimes using aptitude? (The following NEW packages will be installed: ant{a} ant-gcj{a} ant-optional{a} ant-optional-gcj{a}) |
| 20:28.16 | stew | Pnux: it indicates that they are being marked as auto-installed |
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| 20:29.56 | Pnux | stew: oh, thanks |
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| 20:35.51 | hans0lo | smokes: It's been a long time since I messed with DSL.. But I seem to remember being able to add packages to the live system (which woudl of course be gone after a reboot).. |
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| 20:36.10 | hans0lo | smokes: It just seems to me that the simplest way to install debian is via the netinst CD. |
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| 20:36.54 | kejen | in debian lenny, do packages get updated from time to time, or only with a new release? |
| 20:37.48 | kejen | not base, stuff like xorg, gtk, etc |
| 20:37.52 | smokes | sorry, I just posted my source.list ... |
| 20:38.04 | petemc | kejen: stable only gets security updates |
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| 20:38.28 | smokes | yeah, I'm trying the netinst to debian |
| 20:39.01 | hans0lo | smokes: I'm referring to the netinst CD, which has the base system on it, and connects to the internet to get whatever else you need. |
| 20:39.30 | kejen | i see, thanks |
| 20:40.12 | smokes | ah, I misunderstood. you guys can read what I put in dpkg, right? |
| 20:40.27 | hans0lo | smokes: what's the URL to your paste? |
| 20:41.39 | smokes | apt-cache policy returns this: http://pastebin.com/m58da6d21 |
| 20:42.35 | smokes | here's the sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m5575ce2 |
| 20:43.01 | stew | smokes: show us the output of "apt-get update" |
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| 20:43.08 | smokes | and I was going to show what apt-get update returns, just a second |
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| 20:44.47 | carbonize | Hi, I am trying to configure fonts on Lenny & one guide I referred to suggested making changes to "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4", but there's no such file. Please help |
| 20:45.18 | cmyers_work | carbonize: that guide is old. The XF86Config-4 file is now /etc/X11/xorg.conf but its format is pretty similar. |
| 20:45.36 | cmyers_work | I would suggest finding a newer guide though. |
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| 20:46.14 | carbonize | I thought as much but wanted to clear the doubt. Also, there's no 'files' section in xorg.conf to tell XFS to prefer truetype fonts |
| 20:46.38 | cmyers_work | I am not sure if that aspect is the same, and you can just add it, or if it is different |
| 20:47.07 | cmyers_work | dpkg: tell carbonize about fonts |
| 20:47.20 | \amethyst | most things these days use client-side fonts (pango etc) so XFS isn't as important |
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| 20:47.58 | carbonize | alright, let me quiz dpkg. Thank you for quick reply! |
| 20:48.26 | cmyers_work | no problemo =) |
| 20:48.51 | smokes | #WQck sorry post tripped spam filter, I have to do it again... |
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| 20:50.41 | amee2k | hm... okay, i have a problem. |
| 20:50.45 | smokes | the heck? now it won't let me use pastebin |
| 20:51.43 | amee2k | i'm using ssh with p/key authentication and i want to have the key on my usb flash stick so i can carry it with me. keys belong on a keychain, usb or otherwise. |
| 20:51.51 | stew | smokes: http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:52.14 | smokes | thank you Very much |
| 20:52.51 | amee2k | unfortunately i can't use ext2 on it because i have different numeric UIDs on different systems and so permissions would be hosed once i move around. and i don't have root everywhere so i can correct it on the fly |
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| 20:53.39 | amee2k | i can't use vfat either because it has no permissions at all and so files are usually mounted with 755 or 777 and ssh won't use them |
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| 20:53.59 | smokes | here it is: http://paste.debian.net/41476 |
| 20:54.12 | amee2k | so, how do i use an ssh p/key on a usb stick? |
| 20:54.46 | parachutes | Hi I have a problem after installing debian lenny my monitor says no input frequencies... i have a monitor acer al1916w and video card 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter |
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| 20:55.03 | parachutes | and this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m4b662d13 |
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| 20:55.15 | parachutes | help me please :( |
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| 20:55.57 | dihymo | mc or gftp are mangling (R) characters and quotes |
| 20:56.18 | dihymo | how do I stop it |
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| 20:57.08 | hans0lo | parachutes: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 20:57.11 | stew | smokes: is this thing running damnsmalllinux? |
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| 20:57.27 | DevilChaos | hey does anyone use an edimax pci wireless card or used one before? just wondring bout drivers and if it work out of the box ? |
| 20:57.42 | stew | smokes: ahh, yes, we've discussed this previously |
| 20:57.46 | smokes | yup its DSL, and I can't manage to install debian from it yet |
| 20:57.55 | stew | smokes: at which time I told you that you that its not supported here |
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| 20:58.05 | stew | smokes: please go to #dsmnsmalllinux for help |
| 20:58.09 | smokes | you recall, lol |
| 20:58.45 | smokes | see I actually was asking about net-installing debian from hd... |
| 20:59.14 | smokes | and then someone suggested that I explain why it would be so simple to do |
| 20:59.16 | amee2k | c'mon someone other than me must have had this problem before |
| 20:59.48 | DevilChaos | amee2k : can repaeat ur problem? |
| 20:59.58 | amee2k | i'm using ssh with p/key authentication and i want to have the key on my usb flash stick so i can carry it with me. keys belong on a keychain, usb or otherwise. |
| 21:00.06 | amee2k | now i can't really use ext2 on the flash drive because i have different numeric UIDs on different systems and so permissions would be hosed once i move around. and i don't have root everywhere so i can't correct it on the fly |
| 21:00.07 | DevilChaos | sorry my typing isnt great |
| 21:00.11 | parachutes | hans0lo, nothing happens the problem persists, Frequency not supported |
| 21:00.15 | amee2k | i can't use vfat either because it has no permissions at all and so files are usually mounted with all files using mode 755 or 777 (which can't be changed other than through mount options when mounting manualy) and ssh won't use them with permissions that open |
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| 21:00.24 | amee2k | so, how do i use an ssh p/key on a usb stick? |
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| 21:01.02 | amee2k | any ideas? |
| 21:01.09 | parachutes | says fatal server error, no found screens |
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| 21:01.36 | DevilChaos | parachutes try a diff driver use vesa to start with |
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| 21:01.49 | g00se | DevilChaos: Could be something like rt61 |
| 21:02.15 | DevilChaos | em sorry not tried that one amee2k |
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| 21:02.21 | Tramp | amee2k: make one setup for every uid, tell ssh to take the one you can read on the respective system |
| 21:02.46 | DevilChaos | goose: is that for the edimax card yeah? |
| 21:02.57 | parachutes | hey look http://pastebin.com/m6b258450 |
| 21:03.08 | g00se | DevilChaos: Yes - straining memory |
| 21:03.43 | amee2k | hm... i don't particularly like the idea of having a dozen or more identical keyfiles on there |
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| 21:04.01 | amee2k | and what in case i'm on a new system and can't read any of the files? |
| 21:04.12 | DevilChaos | cool cool thanks man al give it a whirl when i get it phys installed |
| 21:04.19 | parachutes | say me that i do (sorry my english not is good) |
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| 21:05.00 | parachutes | Hi I have a problem after installing debian lenny my monitor says no input frequencies... i have a monitor acer al1916w and video card 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter and this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m6b258450 |
| 21:05.07 | keith4 | having your ssh keys on a USB stick is a terrible idea |
| 21:05.12 | Tramp | amee2k: then use fat, copy from stick / adapt permissions before use |
| 21:05.17 | g00se | DevilChaos: But could be now rt2x00 (in kernel) |
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| 21:05.27 | amee2k | hm... |
| 21:05.36 | hikenboot | hello al this might seem like a really dumb question but I seem unable to redirect the output of fdisk -al > tosomefile.txt any idea how to do this? |
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| 21:06.08 | amee2k | not having the key flying around on the host system was the general idea behind the thing |
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| 21:06.34 | amee2k | are there any other solutions for having a mobile encryption key, besides putting it in a file on y stick? |
| 21:06.49 | g00se | hikenboot: *Is* there a -a option? |
| 21:06.54 | valdyn | hikenboot: fdisk -al is not a valid command |
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| 21:07.07 | Tramp | hikenboot: -a is not a fdisk-option for my fdisk. If you want to capture the error-message you see, use "&>" |
| 21:07.08 | valdyn | hikenboot: are you trying to capture the error message? |
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| 21:07.31 | DevilChaos | parachutes: what card are you using? |
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| 21:07.40 | DevilChaos | ati or nvidia |
| 21:07.50 | tCzern | hello, I messed up my dependencies of python, is there an easy way to fix this? |
| 21:07.56 | parachutes | DevilChaos, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10) |
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| 21:08.27 | DevilChaos | have you googled it? |
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| 21:08.58 | hikenboot | as a matter of fact there is errors as well as information |
| 21:09.04 | hikenboot | which would explain it! |
| 21:09.08 | hikenboot | thanks |
| 21:09.13 | craigevil | xserver-xorg-video-sis - X.Org X server -- SiS display driver |
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| 21:09.31 | parachutes | yes tried with acer al1916w xorg.conf debian lenny |
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| 21:10.07 | DevilChaos | ok do as root xconfigure |
| 21:10.15 | DevilChaos | in terminal |
| 21:10.24 | parachutes | ok wait me please |
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| 21:11.45 | DevilChaos | should put a conf file in roots home dir you need to copy this to /etc/X11/ dir as xorg.conf and save the other as xorg.conf.old |
| 21:13.02 | parachutes | says fatal server error, no found screens |
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| 21:14.37 | parachutes | Wait me to enter with and modify debian to do what I say |
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| 21:14.38 | jdahm | aptitude is segfaulting on a fresh installation of testing |
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| 21:16.27 | DevilChaos | ok parachutes ill paste my xorg.conf to pastebin copy and paste to dir /etc/X11 as root and change driver to sis but before you do this do apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-sis |
| 21:17.11 | DevilChaos | and change the xorg.conf file to old |
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| 21:19.00 | DevilChaos | http://pastebin.com/d71524022 |
| 21:20.19 | DevilChaos | parachutes: if you need to change the keyboard layout and number of keys |
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| 21:22.10 | carbonize | just a quick question, I don't seem to have '/usr/lib/X11/fonts' but the fonts-guide dpkg suggested adding lines to xorg.conf with 'Font path '/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1'. Is it safe or should I ignore it? |
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| 21:22.51 | DevilChaos | carbonize: make sure you have them installed through apt |
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| 21:23.17 | DevilChaos | x11core fonts etc |
| 21:23.31 | carbonize | Yes, I installed most through apt and only added Arial Unicode manually |
| 21:23.59 | tCzern | where is my answer? no-one knows that? hard to believe! |
| 21:24.17 | DevilChaos | it shouldnt brake it i dont think |
| 21:24.38 | DevilChaos | dude be patient if someone knows they will answer |
| 21:24.48 | carbonize | okay, I'll try. Thank you! |
| 21:25.01 | DevilChaos | cool cool dude |
| 21:25.42 | hans0lo | tCzern: maybe you can try apt-get --reinstall install python |
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| 21:26.16 | hans0lo | tCzern: (or whatever package names python uses) |
| 21:26.26 | craigevil | for Arial why not just install ttf-liberation or *cough* ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 21:26.38 | DevilChaos | lol |
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| 21:26.57 | stew | tCzern: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 21:27.10 | tCzern | I get an error that python is not configured yet |
| 21:27.22 | stew | tCzern: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:27.26 | stew | tCzern: /msg dpkg bat |
| 21:27.37 | DevilChaos | hey stew |
| 21:27.54 | stew | aloha |
| 21:28.07 | DevilChaos | busy? |
| 21:28.08 | tCzern | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.15 | stew | dpkg: tell tCzern about bat |
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| 21:31.12 | DeSian | i have changed source list and do full-upgrade. in 40% i have canceled the proses and changee the source list back to lenny. nothing is installed, but i will remove downloaded package, how can i that |
| 21:31.14 | DeSian | ? |
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| 21:31.46 | ksnp | anyone tell what's the package to get xlib.h ? |
| 21:31.55 | craigevil | DeSian: apt-get clean |
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| 21:33.06 | adb | ksnp: /usr/include/xcb/xcbxlib.h |
| 21:33.27 | DeSian | craigevil: thnx |
| 21:33.50 | adb | ksnp: locate xlib.h |
| 21:33.51 | ksnp | ok |
| 21:34.01 | carbonize | DeSian: You can simply 'rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*' |
| 21:34.18 | hark | no, it's in libx11-dev IIRC |
| 21:34.34 | carbonize | Then run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 21:34.54 | ksnp | ok |
| 21:34.58 | ksnp | i see it is installed |
| 21:35.25 | ksnp | libx11-dev but no file xlib.h |
| 21:35.27 | craigevil | ksnp: apt-file search xlib.h |
| 21:35.31 | ksnp | i do see xcbxlib.h |
| 21:35.38 | ksnp | i tried apt-file search |
| 21:35.47 | ksnp | but no output |
| 21:35.52 | stew | he's probably looking for Xlib.h not xlib.h |
| 21:36.12 | craigevil | xlib.h is in a couple of things |
| 21:36.16 | ksnp | yes sorry |
| 21:36.19 | ksnp | Xlib.h and Xutil.h |
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| 21:36.53 | stew | ksnp: libx11-dev |
| 21:36.53 | ksnp | but apt-file search shows nothing output for Xlib.h also |
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| 21:37.04 | ksnp | i see libx11-dev is installed |
| 21:37.05 | stew | ksnp: have you run 'apt-file update' recently? |
| 21:37.08 | ksnp | yes |
| 21:37.09 | ksnp | just now |
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| 21:37.15 | ksnp | and earlier today |
| 21:37.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:37.31 | ksnp | i have libx11-dev installed but can't see Xlib.h also agt-file search Xlib.h shows nothing |
| 21:37.32 | stew | ksnp: but /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h doesn't exist? |
| 21:37.44 | stew | !find Xlib.h |
| 21:37.57 | ksnp | it does ! |
| 21:38.06 | ksnp | somehow a make file is unable to see |
| 21:38.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Xlib.h' (6 of 14): (/usr/lib/perl5/Tk/pTk/Xlib.h) in perl/perl-tk ;; (/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h) in libdevel/libx11-dev ;; (/usr/include/IV-X11/Xlib.h) in devel/ivtools-dev ;; (/usr/share/z88dk/include/x11/Xlib.h) in devel/z88dk-data ;; (/usr/lib/root/5.18/cint/include/X11/Xlib.h) in libs/libroot5.18 ;; (/usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/x5/lib.api/X11/Xlib.h) in devel/tendra. |
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| 21:40.03 | adb | ksnp: you compile something ? |
| 21:40.06 | SQlvpapir | can any one recommend me some software that will use the upnp protocol to forward a port to my machine "on demand"? I'd want to select what port(s) to open myself |
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| 21:42.16 | Alter_Schwede | Hi! |
| 21:42.35 | WastePuree | Hi. |
| 21:42.51 | Junger_Schwede | Kandidaturen für die Wahl zum Kuratorium der Wikimedia Foundation werden jetzt angenommen. Werde Kandidat! |
| 21:42.53 | Junger_Schwede | [Ausblenden] |
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| 21:42.56 | Junger_Schwede | Ihre Spenden helfen, Wikipedia zu betreiben. |
| 21:42.58 | Junger_Schwede | Polen |
| 21:42.59 | Junger_Schwede | aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie |
| 21:43.01 | Junger_Schwede | Wechseln zu: Navigation, Suche |
| 21:43.14 | adb | !de |
| 21:43.15 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 21:43.35 | Junger_Schwede | Der Titel dieses Artikels ist mehrdeutig. Weitere Bedeutungen sind unter Polen (Begriffsklärung) aufgeführt. |
| 21:43.36 | Junger_Schwede | Rzeczpospolita Polska |
| 21:43.38 | adb | Junger_Schwede: ^^ |
| 21:43.38 | Junger_Schwede | Republik Polen |
| 21:43.39 | Junger_Schwede | Flagge Polens |
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| 21:43.42 | Junger_Schwede | Wappen Polens |
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| 21:43.45 | Junger_Schwede | Amtssprache Polnisch |
| 21:43.47 | Junger_Schwede | Hauptstadt Warschau (Warszawa) |
| 21:43.48 | Junger_Schwede | Staatsform Parlamentarische Republik |
| 21:43.50 | Junger_Schwede | Staatsoberhaupt Staatspräsident Lech KaczyÅski |
| 21:43.52 | Junger_Schwede | Regierungschef Ministerpräsident Donald Tusk |
| 21:43.53 | Junger_Schwede | Fläche 312.678[1] km² |
| 21:43.55 | Junger_Schwede | Einwohnerzahl 38.115.909 (30. Juni 2008)[2] |
| 21:43.56 | Junger_Schwede | Bevölkerungsdichte 122 Einwohner pro km² |
| 21:43.58 | Junger_Schwede | BIP nominal (2007)[3] 420.284 Mio. US$ (21.) |
| 21:43.59 | macrobat | hmm, not auto kicked? |
| 21:43.59 | Junger_Schwede | BIP/Einwohner 11.041 US$ (50.) |
| 21:44.01 | Junger_Schwede | HDI 0,870 (37.) |
| 21:44.03 | Junger_Schwede | Währung 1 ZÅoty = 100 Groszy |
| 21:44.04 | tCzern | and I thought that I am weird |
| 21:44.05 | Junger_Schwede | 1 ⬠= 4,35 PLN |
| 21:44.07 | Junger_Schwede | 1 PLN = 0,23 ⬠|
| 21:44.09 | Junger_Schwede | (Stand: 3. Juli 2009) |
| 21:44.11 | Junger_Schwede | Gründung 960â992 n. Chr. |
| 21:44.13 | adb | !ops Junger_Schwede spam |
| 21:44.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: Junger_Schwede spam |
| 21:44.13 | Junger_Schwede | Unabhängigkeit 11. November 1918 |
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| 21:44.15 | Junger_Schwede | Nationalhymne Mazurek DÄ
browskiego |
| 21:44.17 | Junger_Schwede | Audio abspielen |
| 21:44.19 | Junger_Schwede | polnische Nationalhymne |
| 21:44.19 | macrobat | dont worry, you still are :) |
| 21:44.21 | Junger_Schwede | Zeitzone UTC+1 |
| 21:44.23 | Junger_Schwede | Kfz-Kennzeichen PL |
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| 21:46.03 | macrobat | how can i change which app opens which file in xfce4? |
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| 21:46.59 | ksnp | is there a way to tell a makefile to include path /usr/include by default ? |
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| 21:47.18 | ksnp | there are header files that have #include <X11/Xutil.h> for exampe |
| 21:47.30 | adb | macrobat: right click > opens which ? |
| 21:47.30 | ksnp | and when i try to do a make it can't fine X11/Xutil.h |
| 21:47.38 | ksnp | it is not looking for /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h |
| 21:47.53 | adb | ksnp: run ./configure --includedir=/usr |
| 21:47.54 | macrobat | adb, it seems that setting isnt saved |
| 21:48.32 | adb | ksnp: do, make clean , first |
| 21:48.43 | nsadmin | ksnp: that file exists on your system? |
| 21:48.43 | macrobat | i installed emacs-smapshot and now every kind of text file is opened in a new copy of emacs |
| 21:49.04 | ksnp | i am running make -f Makefile.mingw |
| 21:49.19 | adb | macrobat: configure emacs |
| 21:49.28 | ksnp | instructions for linux include ./configure - i guess not for cross compiling ? is there a way to tell the same whenyou are cross compiling too ? |
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| 21:49.31 | ksnp | by changing the make file or otherwise |
| 21:49.34 | nsadmin | I thought mingw was for windows install of unixlike tools |
| 21:49.45 | ksnp | yes |
| 21:49.49 | macrobat | i dont want to open it in emacs at all :) |
| 21:49.58 | ksnp | i am trying to cross compile pidgin-otr for windows |
| 21:50.21 | ksnp | adb : anyay to make a Makefile.mingw to include the /usr ? |
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| 21:51.28 | nsadmin | ksnp: do you understand makefiles and gcc invocation generally? |
| 21:51.38 | ksnp | a little bit |
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| 21:52.15 | Hellscream | I've downloaded the debian lenny 5.0.2 i386 dvd, installed it. everything went fine. the installer finished and i restarted, but when i boot into debian my screen goes off and says "signal out of range | 75.1 K | 60 hz". |
| 21:52.28 | Hellscream | The hardware on which i installed it is as follows: Pentium 4 3.0ghz prescott; 2gig ddr2 667mhz memory; nvidia 9400gt 512mb; 160gb seagate sata hd; lite-on sata dvd writer; 650watt coolermaster ps; gigabyte GA-VM900M Socket 775 motherboard and an old 17" crt monitor. |
| 21:52.32 | Dak-A-riN | hi, i have debian, samba, i have sys locales set to pl_PL.iso-8859-2, i would like to change it to pl_PL.utf-8, how can i automatically change char encoding in all filenames with polish chars? |
| 21:52.40 | Hellscream | and when it installed, dhcp failed and i selected to configure it later. |
| 21:52.44 | Hellscream | i managed to install debian in vbox on windows vista (the same pc) and got it running, but in the bottom right corner there is a popup that says there has been a kernel failure |
| 21:52.59 | luke3321 | Hellscream: xorg looks to be misconfigured |
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| 21:53.20 | nomatter001 | hi |
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| 21:53.30 | nomatter001 | i installed the kernel from lenny backports to get intel 5300 running and now i'm trying to install the nvidia-driver but m-a fails cause of the newer kernel-version i use now |
| 21:53.48 | Hellscream | <luke3321> i cant even boot into debian, my screen just goes off after i selected it from the grub |
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| 21:54.46 | luke3321 | Hellscream: hmm.. there may be some kernel boot parameter you can add to force the system to use a video mode you monitor can understand, but I wouldnt know the specifics, sorry |
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| 21:56.09 | Hellscream | this sux... ive been so excited to try debian.... formatted and reinstalled several times... nothing... i actually downloaded all 5 dvds |
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| 21:56.45 | luke3321 | Hellscream: well just ask again, I am sure there are quite a few people that would love to help you get started |
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| 21:57.34 | Hellscream | i asked at the forums and got no response, so i came here.... does anyone know about the boot parameter what luke3321 is talking about? |
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| 21:58.43 | g00se | macrobat: sudo update-alternatives --list editor |
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| 21:59.28 | caotic | Hellscream: are you ijnstallling in a laptop ? |
| 21:59.46 | Hellscream | caotic, on a desktop. i posted the specs |
| 22:00.07 | caotic | Hellscream: sorry I just joinned the channel |
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| 22:00.20 | luke3321 | caotic: Pentium 4 3.0ghz prescott; 2gig ddr2 667mhz memory; nvidia 9400gt 512mb; 160gb seagate sata hd; lite-on sata dvd writer; 650watt coolermaster ps; gigabyte GA-VM900M Socket 775 motherboard and an old 17" crt monitor. |
| 22:00.27 | luke3321 | There is a repost |
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| 22:00.43 | Hellscream | caotic, my screen goes off and says "out of range" and at the bottom stands 75.1k | 60hz |
| 22:00.54 | caotic | Hellscream: do you know what frequency your monitor supports ? |
| 22:00.56 | Hellscream | after i selected debian from the grub |
| 22:01.25 | Hellscream | 60hz |
| 22:01.33 | JoshH | is squeeze supposed to have the /bin/sh symlink set to dash or bash? |
| 22:01.37 | Hellscream | caotic, seems only 60hz |
| 22:01.41 | caotic | Hellscream: then we have a problem dont we ? |
| 22:02.10 | caotic | boot your pc mark debian to start but dont hit enter |
| 22:02.30 | Hellscream | caotic, why? it installed fine in vbox on windows vista, but at the bottom right corner there was a popup that said kernel failure |
| 22:02.33 | caotic | Hellscream: press 'e' (that stands for edit |
| 22:03.06 | caotic | Hellscream: because vbox protects itself for configuration errors like this |
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| 22:03.21 | Hellscream | ill write everything down you guys tell me now, i am currently on the same pc that i installed debian onto but booted into vista |
| 22:03.42 | caotic | oh I see |
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| 22:04.03 | caotic | you have to set your grub boot line to an argument that fits your hardware |
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| 22:05.01 | Hellscream | caotic, ok and the arguments should be? i am idiot so please be patient |
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| 22:05.55 | caotic | Hellscream: I am sorry but you seem pretty demanding about what you want |
| 22:06.03 | Hellscream | title New Install |
| 22:06.03 | Hellscream | root (hd0,0) |
| 22:06.03 | Hellscream | kernel /boot/newinstall/vmlinuz |
| 22:06.03 | Hellscream | initrd /boot/newinstall/initrd.gz |
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| 22:06.22 | caotic | hehehe |
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| 22:06.33 | Hellscream | got kicked for flooding, wont do that again |
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| 22:07.12 | Hellscream | caotic, not demanding, just cant wait to get debian to work, been downloading the dvd set for almost a week |
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| 22:08.14 | adb | Hellscream: from where come those folders ? /boot/newinstall/? this is not debian |
| 22:08.17 | \amethyst | Hellscream: you can do an install using just the first DVD, or even the first CD |
| 22:08.20 | macrobat | ty g00se, update-alternatives did the trick |
| 22:08.39 | Hellscream | its a example from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 22:09.49 | caotic | Hellscream: after you select debian the screen goes black ? there is no text output ? |
| 22:09.57 | doubt91 | one question |
| 22:10.06 | doubt91 | samba+ldap+vpn its secure over internet? |
| 22:10.17 | g00se | macrobat: np |
| 22:10.38 | Hellscream | caotic, jip thats right on, the only text there is on the screen is those of the screen telling me theres no signal |
| 22:10.43 | petemc | doubt91: anything over a vpn should be as secure as the vpn is |
| 22:10.56 | doubt91 | i talk with you this moringin? |
| 22:11.01 | petemc | negative |
| 22:11.05 | petemc | least, i dont think so |
| 22:11.15 | doubt91 | i say that i use webdav |
| 22:11.19 | petemc | oh, yeah |
| 22:11.20 | doubt91 | and someone says that is not secure |
| 22:11.32 | petemc | no, webdav can use ssl |
| 22:11.38 | doubt91 | yes but.. |
| 22:11.39 | Hellscream | caotic, it also failed with dhcp so i selected to configure it later (during install) |
| 22:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | anything over vpn should be secure... |
| 22:11.49 | doubt91 | i have a lot of http conflicts |
| 22:11.52 | petemc | i dont recall talking to you about that, someone asked me about samba vs webdav, i said they;'re not the same |
| 22:11.56 | caotic | Hellscream: that doesnt matter |
| 22:11.58 | doubt91 | and problems with special characters |
| 22:12.13 | doubt91 | i have the same nickname |
| 22:12.14 | caotic | ok hover over debian, select e, a new menu comes up select the line that starts with kernel 'e' again |
| 22:12.19 | doubt91 | but |
| 22:12.23 | doubt91 | webdav with ssl |
| 22:12.31 | Hellscream | caotic, what frequency monitor does debian need? |
| 22:12.32 | doubt91 | its secure if you upload all documents of your company? |
| 22:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, never heard of webdav before |
| 22:12.46 | Hellscream | caotic, ok |
| 22:12.46 | caotic | at the end put vga=771 |
| 22:13.04 | doubt91 | webdav its http |
| 22:13.08 | caotic | make sure there is just one vga=XXX in that line |
| 22:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I just read the factoid |
| 22:13.18 | g00se | doubt91: it's as secure as the ssl is |
| 22:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and got a rough imression of what it is |
| 22:13.32 | doubt91 | but vpn is more secure |
| 22:13.40 | Hellscream | chaotic, ok im with you, anything more? |
| 22:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, I'm glad you didn't say as random as keys generated with debian-ssh :-P |
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| 22:14.18 | g00se | :) |
| 22:14.21 | petemc | doubt91: nothing is completely secure, common thinking would be that a vpn would be more secure than using ssl with a browser, most browsers arent written with security as their main priority |
| 22:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | doubt91, why? security would only depend on the algorithm/key you use for encryption, not on the underlaying protocol |
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| 22:15.15 | doubt91 | yes but |
| 22:15.24 | doubt91 | i dont beilve in webdav |
| 22:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package in debian supplies webdav? |
| 22:15.37 | doubt91 | all files ara renamed like 01 02 03 05 07 09 |
| 22:15.39 | Hellscream | caotic, so vga=771 is it? ill go and try it out now, if i dont succeed ill be back for support... hehe |
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| 22:15.47 | doubt91 | and then the name and extension is saved in a database |
| 22:15.49 | caotic | sorry I forgot |
| 22:15.57 | doubt91 | its a virtual system |
| 22:16.00 | doubt91 | its not real |
| 22:16.01 | caotic | after that hit enter and then b (stands for boot )= |
| 22:16.08 | g00se | Security issues arise often through factors that are not much to do with algos and keys |
| 22:16.30 | Hellscream | caotic, ok.... anything more i should no? |
| 22:16.30 | doubt91 | yes but i find that there is not support with webdav |
| 22:16.42 | doubt91 | no clients |
| 22:16.50 | g00se | In petemc's point - that would be the browser |
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| 22:17.17 | g00se | doubt91: what's your use case? |
| 22:17.21 | Hellscream | ok see all in a few minutes again... either succeeded or failed... |
| 22:17.25 | doubt91 | a big company |
| 22:17.35 | doubt91 | that have diferent pyhisical locations |
| 22:17.40 | doubt91 | and want to share all files |
| 22:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... I don't think I understand properly how webdav is/how it works - can you add the functionality with an apache module or is it some different type of server? |
| 22:18.22 | doubt91 | apache include webdav |
| 22:18.32 | doubt91 | but now i am using a 3rd party |
| 22:18.39 | doubt91 | its a php script |
| 22:19.05 | g00se | webdav is a little like cvs for web sites |
| 22:19.05 | petemc | thats not a great starting point |
| 22:19.32 | doubt91 | samba is better in my case? |
| 22:19.32 | petemc | doubt91: samba over a vpn is probably your best route |
| 22:19.39 | g00se | It's not really designed for what you want |
| 22:19.40 | doubt91 | samba+vpn+LDAP |
| 22:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you surely have to enable it... apache surely doesn't allow editing documents by default :) |
| 22:19.51 | doubt91 | g00se waht is not designed ? |
| 22:19.54 | doubt91 | samba or webdav |
| 22:19.59 | g00se | webdav |
| 22:20.05 | doubt91 | yes.. |
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| 22:20.20 | doubt91 | CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:20.30 | doubt91 | you have seen webdav server |
| 22:20.36 | g00se | CutMeOwnThroat: it's an apache module |
| 22:20.43 | doubt91 | its very simple |
| 22:20.51 | doubt91 | if you go to a download web that have old downloads |
| 22:20.53 | doubt91 | that is webdav |
| 22:20.57 | doubt91 | its a list |
| 22:21.44 | g00se | doubt91: That's more likely to be a bunch of links ;-) |
| 22:21.50 | doubt91 | yes xd |
| 22:21.54 | doubt91 | with the siz |
| 22:21.56 | doubt91 | size |
| 22:22.10 | doubt91 | but if the server i can acces pysically |
| 22:22.13 | doubt91 | i can mount a vpn? |
| 22:22.16 | doubt91 | i am the root |
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| 22:22.36 | petemc | openvpn works, you'll need to do a fair bit of reading tho |
| 22:22.44 | doubt91 | yes |
| 22:22.51 | doubt91 | and the problem is the users and rights |
| 22:22.58 | doubt91 | i have a lot of users |
| 22:23.01 | doubt91 | and differnt rights |
| 22:23.15 | doubt91 | because there are a lot of pysically departaments |
| 22:23.27 | paxcoder | ok, so after reading Microsoft promised not to sue over .NET, I still say we ditch the Tomboy. We don't (yet) need this expensive framework (well, not for Tomboy anyway). |
| 22:23.27 | doubt91 | LDAP its the solution? |
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| 22:23.48 | petemc | its one possible solution, its a bit of a headfuck tho |
| 22:23.54 | \amethyst | meaning NFS is probably out... unless you use LDAP to consolidate your user databases |
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| 22:24.06 | doubt91 | and then |
| 22:24.06 | \amethyst | that's a pretty major operational change, though, from the current situation |
| 22:24.10 | doubt91 | the rights? |
| 22:24.16 | doubt91 | user rights |
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| 22:24.23 | doubt91 | i like ACL but samba dont have acl |
| 22:24.25 | Hellscream | caotic, failed... it says error 27: unreconized command |
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| 22:24.44 | caotic | Hellscream: I bet It says more than that |
| 22:24.59 | mitrax | hello, what's the package name for libpng-dev ? i can't find a repository that has it |
| 22:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mitrax -about apt-file |
| 22:25.26 | Hellscream | i added vga=771 at the end. i first had to pressed o the put a new line after the last. |
| 22:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mitrax, use apt-file if you know the name of one of the files you're looking for |
| 22:25.37 | caotic | Hellscream: gtg, good luck , I suggest you to start reading about each probelm not just debian |
| 22:25.50 | doubt91 | mmm |
| 22:25.55 | g00se | libpng12-dev ? |
| 22:26.03 | Hellscream | ... ok.... |
| 22:26.04 | doubt91 | which is the best solution for rights in samba? |
| 22:26.23 | caotic | Hellscream: I didnt understand what you said in the last messsage |
| 22:26.38 | g00se | mitrax: libpng12-dev ? |
| 22:26.43 | mitrax | g00se: yep |
| 22:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mitrax, but ... in your case, "apt-cache search libpng dev" also gives you a reasonable result |
| 22:26.50 | caotic | still gtg |
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| 22:27.17 | Hellscream | caotic, i pressed e, moved down to the last line pressed o the e again and entered vga=771 pressed enter and b |
| 22:27.56 | mitrax | actually nevermind i misread, the source i'm using is missing a file, seems the mirror is incomplete or something, where can i get a source list? |
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| 22:29.34 | mitrax | Get: 1 ftp://mir1.ovh.net lenny/main libpng12-0 1.2.27-2 [166kB] |
| 22:29.34 | mitrax | Err ftp://mir1.ovh.net lenny/main libpng12-0 1.2.27-2 |
| 22:29.35 | mitrax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:30.40 | mitrax | isn't there an official source list or something? |
| 22:31.41 | macrobat | mitrax: debian.org for a list of mirrors |
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| 22:32.33 | dutchfish | mitrax, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libpng12-dev |
| 22:32.50 | Hellscream | can anyone help me with the boot problem? |
| 22:33.14 | macrobat | my /home is mounted noexec and i want exec. i have these options in fstab: defaults,user,noatime |
| 22:33.18 | dustybin | is there a way to use ssh to launch a command on a box? |
| 22:33.27 | dustybin | instead of actually logging into it |
| 22:33.33 | \amethyst | ssh user@machine program |
| 22:33.39 | macrobat | where does the noexec mount option come from? |
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| 22:33.58 | \amethyst | macrobat: it's included by default if the options include 'user' or 'users' |
| 22:34.24 | macrobat | ok, i'll remove the "user" option |
| 22:34.30 | \amethyst | macrobat: or add 'exec' |
| 22:34.36 | \amethyst | macrobat: (after 'user') |
| 22:34.43 | macrobat | ty |
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| 22:35.38 | dustybin | if i done: ssh root@mybox.com rm -rf / |
| 22:35.46 | dustybin | would that actually destroy my box? |
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| 22:36.21 | macrobat | yes, dustybin |
| 22:36.26 | dustybin | fekk |
| 22:36.31 | \amethyst | dustybin: it would, except that GNU rm says: rm: cannot remove root directory `/' |
| 22:36.40 | dustybin | oh how comes? |
| 22:36.48 | \amethyst | it refuses to remove / |
| 22:36.54 | dustybin | -f = force? |
| 22:36.55 | \amethyst | even with -f |
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| 22:36.59 | dustybin | ohh |
| 22:37.06 | dustybin | how silly |
| 22:37.15 | macrobat | you log into your box through ssh, as a user, then you use the terminal as that user |
| 22:37.16 | dustybin | i bet that was stallmans idea |
| 22:37.31 | Tramp | dustybin: man rm, check --no-preserve-root. Also man coreutils, special handling of root-directory (or something like that) |
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| 22:37.41 | dustybin | ok |
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| 22:37.50 | Kenny | hi |
| 22:38.38 | \amethyst | that's info coreutils Treating |
| 22:38.49 | Kenny | i have some problems with my kde 4.1 sometimes when i start on my session, i dont see the the bottons of "minimize, or close" |
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| 22:40.12 | dutchfish | can someone explain why dust-upgrading ecth -> lenny does remove libsasl2-2 and install libsasl2-modules ? |
| 22:40.13 | mitrax | dutchfish: thanks, i ended up downloading and installing manually |
| 22:40.37 | Kenny | mostly when I start KDE, the top bar that contains the minimize and close buttons, not shown, because this is? |
| 22:40.43 | dutchfish | s/dust-upgrading/dist-upgrading |
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| 22:43.29 | Kenny | no1 can answer my problem please =( |
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| 22:54.09 | Pnux | hey, im trying to figure out how many MBs my onboard graphics card is. Is there a way to know this? (I dont really like intel's webpage, so i would rather find out using Debian) (i do know which model my card is) |
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| 22:56.30 | dutchfish | Pnux, 1. look in your bios settings 2. examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:57.06 | dutchfish | Pnux, lspci -vv maybe reveals extra info |
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| 22:57.38 | Pnux | pnux@debian:~$ lspci -wlspci: invalid option -- w |
| 22:58.37 | dutchfish | Pnux, not w but lspci -vv |
| 22:59.08 | Pnux | oh, my bad.. i just noticed it |
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| 23:00.54 | Pnux | dutchfish: found this: "Region 0: Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]", is that it? |
| 23:01.42 | dutchfish | Pnux, yes and no, it means thats what the kernel sees, if its gpu mem or shared mem thats another q |
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| 23:02.56 | Pnux | dutchfish: oh well, thats the only thing i could find similar to what i want, i guess the next option is BIOS and then intel's webpage.. thanks alot for the help |
| 23:03.09 | dutchfish | Pnux, yw |
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| 23:05.52 | mtnd3w | Hello! |
| 23:06.10 | mtnd3w | Does anyone know where Contacts (address book management application) actually stores it's data? I've checked ~/. already, but couldn't find anything. |
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| 23:07.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:07.34 | tCzern | hello, I downloaded a .deb package. How do I install this? Trying to find instructions ... |
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| 23:07.58 | dutchfish | tCzern, normally dpkg -i foo |
| 23:08.00 | Joelito | tCzern: try dpkg doc |
| 23:08.31 | tCzern | what is the -i doing? |
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| 23:08.43 | Pnux | -i(nstall) is my best guess |
| 23:08.50 | dutchfish | tCzern, man dpkg -i = install |
| 23:08.55 | tCzern | k, thanks |
| 23:09.04 | tCzern | ls |
| 23:09.13 | Pnux | try 'dpkg --help' or 'man dpkg' |
| 23:09.18 | adb | Kenny: dpkg-reconfigure kde ? |
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| 23:10.00 | Kenny | adb: this command will fix my kde ? |
| 23:10.15 | hugo_ | can i run freebsd on debian with any vm solution? |
| 23:10.34 | dutchfish | !tell hugo_ about kvm |
| 23:10.55 | adb | Kenny: tias |
| 23:11.01 | Kenny | ¿ |
| 23:11.14 | adb | !tias |
| 23:11.14 | dpkg | [tias] try it and see, or what you should have done first. |
| 23:11.15 | craigevil | tCzern: you might want to install apt-dpkg-ref and read /usr/share/doc/apt-dpkg-ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html it is a very helpful apt/dpkg cheatsheet |
| 23:11.35 | Kenny | !tias |
| 23:11.35 | dpkg | well, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first. |
| 23:12.07 | adb | dpkg: tell Kenny about selftell |
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| 23:12.52 | Kenny | adb if i do dpkg-reconfigure kde it will work normally ? |
| 23:13.16 | adb | Kenny: tias |
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| 23:13.27 | Kenny | i dont understand you about tias lol xd. |
| 23:13.39 | Pnux | i was wondering, has anybody moved from lenny to squeeze lately? for some weird reason, aptitude had to remove the KDE package because of some dependencies |
| 23:13.47 | dutchfish | Kenny, h emeant we dont know for sure, you have to try it |
| 23:13.56 | Kenny | ahhhh ok dutchfish thanks! |
| 23:14.00 | bzed | Pnux: I guess it replaced your kde3 by kde4 |
| 23:14.05 | Pnux | Kenny: tias means Try It And See.. it means you should try it and see what happened |
| 23:14.21 | Pnux | so squeeze uses kde4 now, interesting |
| 23:14.22 | Kenny | ahhhhhhh ok sorry, im spanish ;P |
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| 23:14.40 | Kenny | im going to try it thanks adb |
| 23:15.14 | Pnux | bzed: what would you recommend then? remove KDE3 and then install KDE4? |
| 23:15.33 | tCzern | ls |
| 23:15.38 | tCzern | sorry |
| 23:15.48 | Kenny | it says: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kde is not installed. adb |
| 23:16.00 | dutchfish | tCzern, luckely you didnt type your password ;) |
| 23:16.18 | tCzern | yeah |
| 23:16.37 | tCzern | is there a way to force an installation? |
| 23:16.55 | tCzern | I broke somehow my dependencies of python and try to re-install them |
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| 23:17.34 | dutchfish | tCzern, did you try aptitude reinstall pythin-minimal ? |
| 23:17.41 | tCzern | no |
| 23:17.44 | dutchfish | s/pythin/python |
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| 23:18.01 | Pnux | i believe he meant 'aptitude reinstall python-minimal' |
| 23:18.10 | dutchfish | Pnux, yes |
| 23:18.10 | Gratz474 | whem something is bound to 0.0.0.0 does that mean only localhost or outside connections too ? |
| 23:18.32 | adb | Kenny: dpkg -l kdebase | grep ii , says ? |
| 23:18.43 | dutchfish | Gratz474, every connection (adapter) |
| 23:18.53 | Pnux | 0.0.0.0 means all in my router |
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| 23:20.01 | tCzern | dutchfish: it doesn't work |
| 23:20.10 | Kenny | adb: |
| 23:20.12 | Kenny | ii kdebase 4:4.1.4-1~lenny+1 base applications from the official KDE release |
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| 23:20.45 | adb | Kenny: try , dpkg-reconfigure kdebase |
| 23:20.56 | Pnux | tCzern: define 'doesnt work' |
| 23:20.57 | Kenny | ok |
| 23:20.57 | Gratz474 | dutchfish, yea but hmm for some reason it says port is open but i can't connect |
| 23:21.08 | dutchfish | tCzern, what does it throw at you? |
| 23:21.33 | Kenny | done adb |
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| 23:21.43 | dutchfish | Gratz474, what daemon? |
| 23:21.44 | Pnux | Gratz474: are you using a router? is your ISP blocking that particular port? |
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| 23:21.58 | Gratz474 | its a red5 java server |
| 23:22.28 | tCzern | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m23c24280 this is 64studio, which works mostly like Debian, maybe that's why |
| 23:23.53 | tCzern | whatever I try, I always fall over "python-central" |
| 23:25.12 | Gratz474 | ahhh it might be a dns record or something maybe |
| 23:25.41 | Gratz474 | if something is trying to connect going rtmp:// would i need a new dns record for that or no? |
| 23:26.34 | dutchfish | tCzern, it look like pycentral is the culprit |
| 23:26.46 | tCzern | I think so to |
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| 23:27.26 | dutchfish | tCzern, i am not sure about the 64studio, but on a debian box i would reinstall the package too, at least would try |
| 23:27.35 | tCzern | tried to reinstall it, but it depends on python, which depends on python-minimal, wich depends on central. IT's a closes circle and I don't know who to get in |
| 23:28.00 | tCzern | how to get it |
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| 23:28.24 | dutchfish | tCzern, maybe in 1 go something like aptitude reinstall python-minimal python-central |
| 23:28.47 | adb | tCzern: wget central , dpkg -i `central` |
| 23:28.53 | tCzern | lemme try |
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| 23:30.05 | tCzern | same errors |
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| 23:31.25 | dutchfish | tCzern, did you try adb's suggestion? |
| 23:31.38 | adb | judd: versions python-central |
| 23:31.39 | judd | adb: python-central -- etch: 0.5.12 lenny: 0.6.8 sid: 0.6.8 sid: 0.6.11 squeeze: 0.6.11 |
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| 23:33.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tCzern, according to that pastebin, your problem is not dependencies but that the post-removal script fails... |
| 23:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you already look in the bts if that's a known error? |
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| 23:33.39 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, he uses 64studio not lenny |
| 23:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 23:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well :) |
| 23:34.15 | Gratz474 | what does a TIME_WAIT |
| 23:34.15 | Gratz474 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I saw '64studio' but didn't know that was a distribution |
| 23:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't sound like one |
| 23:34.35 | dutchfish | !64studio |
| 23:34.35 | dpkg | hmm... 64studio is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, oriented towards audio/video recording and media production. It uses a custom kernel with realtime patches added. http://64studio.com/ #64studio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, sounds nice... |
| 23:34.58 | jnw222 | is trying how to share his printer with a windows laptop |
| 23:35.10 | Gratz474 | does debian automatically install iptables? |
| 23:35.20 | jnw222 | i dont know |
| 23:35.24 | jnw222 | !iptables |
| 23:35.24 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 23:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, perhaps one can nick their kernel :) Always wanted to see what realtime patches do for a desktop (but not enough to go to the hassle of compiling such a kernel) |
| 23:35.44 | Gratz474 | i mean does it set rules by default or what? |
| 23:35.57 | adb | no |
| 23:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gratz474, it's of course there as part of the kernel... but no... there's no rules by default |
| 23:36.11 | Gratz474 | hmm |
| 23:36.24 | Gratz474 | casue i have an open port that i can't connect too |
| 23:36.30 | Gratz474 | and its bugging me big time |
| 23:36.54 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, nah, i build my own lldesktop kernels vanilla on my workstation |
| 23:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can run iptables-save to see your rules |
| 23:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, too lazy for it... the pre-built stuff is (normally) good enough |
| 23:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gratz474, netstat -an |grep <yourport>? |
| 23:37.59 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, not if you need kvm and arp tables and some more stuff |
| 23:38.17 | Gratz474 | :INPUT ACCEPT [46264:21768906] |
| 23:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, or quotas on reiserfs... |
| 23:38.22 | Gratz474 | what does that mean? |
| 23:38.34 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, etc tec |
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| 23:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gratz474, 'ACCEPT' is the default policy? |
| 23:39.47 | Gratz474 | i am trying to accept something on 1935 |
| 23:39.54 | Gratz474 | does that rule block that? |
| 23:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't block anything |
| 23:40.09 | Gratz474 | whe ni try to connect if i netstat it i get a time_wait |
| 23:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does the netstat command I gave you return? |
| 23:40.35 | Gratz474 | I need to be able to connect |
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| 23:41.41 | DevNullnDull | if one were to backup the apt database, they would have to backup /var/lib/dpkg. Not really ? but more of a confirmation? |
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| 23:41.45 | cmyers_work | whoops. |
| 23:42.14 | jnw222 | backing up /var/lib/dpkg? crazy contains which packages are installed |
| 23:42.34 | beardy | !punctuation |
| 23:43.14 | jnw222 | lol |
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| 23:43.39 | dutchfish | !coffee beardy |
| 23:43.39 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for beardy, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 23:43.56 | jnw222 | lol |
| 23:44.01 | jnw222 | coffe |
| 23:44.39 | dutchfish | hides for his many typos he already made |
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| 23:45.33 | DevNullnDull | jnw222: you lost me? |
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| 23:48.06 | dutchfish | DevNullnDull, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
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| 23:49.35 | edju | Which chess program plays the best game? i.e., which is the most difficult to defeat? |
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| 23:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | coffee is a replacement for punctation? |
| 23:52.54 | dutchfish | edju, http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/60859 |
| 23:53.10 | songer | I need your help I want to instal mi pci wireless |
| 23:53.33 | songer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.39 | tCzern | craigevil: I didn't see your response until now |
| 23:53.51 | tCzern | what does this do> |
| 23:53.51 | edju | dutchfish, Thanks. I'll check it out. |
| 23:53.53 | tCzern | ? |
| 23:54.42 | dutchfish | tCzern, did you manually install one those packages? |
| 23:55.09 | dutchfish | tCzern, i mean python or central? |
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| 23:55.55 | tCzern | crap, I cannot install anything |
| 23:56.26 | tCzern | yes i did |
| 23:56.28 | flypiper | I downloaded the testing-i386-netinst.iso, and am trying to intall it on a new PC. For some reason I can't configure IP Manually. It just gives me an error. I executed a shell, and the interface is configured, but route is empty. Is this a known bug or is there a workaround? |
| 23:57.45 | cmyers_work | flypiper: you are setting a static IP manually for an ethernet adapter? |
| 23:58.02 | Hazelesque | flypiper: you might want to poke "ip route" at the shell |
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| 23:58.26 | flypiper | Hazelesque, I did and there is nothing there |
| 23:58.29 | Hazelesque | (eg, "ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0" (if "192.168.1.1" is your gateway, and eth0 is your interface) |
| 23:58.32 | dutchfish | tCzern, then i would solve it like this, make a list of all the files in the central package you installed, purge that package, look for leftovers, and install python-central with aptitude |
| 23:58.45 | flypiper | Hazelesque, Let me try that.. |
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| 23:58.58 | Hazelesque | flypiper: I presume you know what your gateway address /should/ be? |
| 23:59.02 | dutchfish | tCzern, it might turn out that you need to purge python as well (dependecies) |
| 23:59.13 | flypiper | Hazelesque, yes |
| 23:59.19 | cockroach | how can i change the resolution of my (fb) console on the fly? |
| 23:59.25 | tCzern | I tried that already |
| 23:59.39 | Hazelesque | flypiper: just checking you weren't going to type what I wrote verbatim without replacing the example address/interface :P |
| 23:59.42 | dutchfish | tCzern, and? |
| 23:59.51 | cockroach | tCzern: still trying to get rid of that package? |
| 23:59.52 | tCzern | errors errors |
| 23:59.56 | tCzern | yep |
