| 00:00.11 | vizzy | and if you do a lot of reboots for some reason, its just wasting time |
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| 00:00.21 | enouf | DEs are a waste |
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| 00:00.52 | rudi_s | vizzy: Yes, I know. But I try to hibernate as often as possible so the startup is much faster. |
| 00:01.13 | vizzy | wtf? wireless setups are also there, that makes 4 different toold to configure the devices and network.... |
| 00:02.03 | vizzy | rudi_s, yes, me too, but in this case, testing new drivers etc, .... not very funny to wait 30 seconds, if startup linux tooks <30 seconds without it |
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| 00:02.54 | vizzy | think: if you boot your linux and some windooze users see youre waiting! :) that cant be |
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| 00:05.00 | vizzy | so, does knetworkmanager work with kcontrol network setup? or are they biting each other? |
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| 00:14.34 | abrotman | owen1: huh ? |
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| 00:15.32 | owen1 | i have 8 bit color - 0000FF and i try to convert it to 16bit |
| 00:15.57 | owen1 | if it's 000000 it will be 000000000000 |
| 00:16.09 | vizzy | i give up, these networking setup pseudo tools are totally buggy and crazy and dont work together nicely. i now killed my complete network setup, argh! |
| 00:17.23 | vizzy | so, can please somebody point me to a good and readable tutorial on how to set up wlan with wpa2 without using networkmanagers and all that crazy things? maybe a small how to on how to setup wpa2 wlan and a static device |
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| 00:17.40 | vizzy | i dont want to use cables. if so, i could easily ifup ifdown eth0 etc |
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| 00:18.59 | craigevil | vizzy: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 00:19.49 | project2501a | hey guys, i'm running grub2. i altered the resolution in /boot/grub/grub.cfg to VGA, but the resolution returns to CGA mode as soon as the kernel starts up. what am i doing wrong? |
| 00:20.13 | project2501a | s/what am i doing wrong/i am all out of clues. can i have some guesses, please/ |
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| 00:21.17 | abrotman | the grub resolution isn't hte same as the linux framebuffer i don't think |
| 00:21.26 | DeSian | to creating tar.gz in debian is tar -pczf or? :) |
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| 00:22.24 | pl4yer0ne | DeSian, tar --help |
| 00:22.42 | DeSian | pl4yer0ne, really? |
| 00:23.00 | pl4yer0ne | check what options you want |
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| 00:37.37 | lafrance | back |
| 00:37.52 | lafrance | is there a tool to monitor the bandwidth via ssh? |
| 00:38.07 | abrotman | iftop, jnettop |
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| 00:38.26 | lelu | hey guys im back |
| 00:38.47 | lafrance | abrotman, thank you |
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| 00:39.08 | JordiGH | Hrm. How can I test if exim4 is configured correctly to relay mail from another machine on a LAN? "sendmail jordigh@gmail.com" works on the machine in question. How can I test this from another machine? |
| 00:39.24 | lelu | how would I check that my servers wi-fi connection is still up and if not then get it to reconnect? |
| 00:39.39 | lelu | at the moment after i reboot my router i have to reboot my server too |
| 00:40.05 | lelu | which is a bit silly really |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | crappy answer: ping the router once a minute, if it fails, restart your networking |
| 00:41.29 | lafrance | abrotman, another dum one from gramps to open new window in ssh it ctrl A N ? |
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| 00:42.39 | lelu | abrotman: im a simple person with simple needs, how would i go about restarting the networking ;) |
| 00:43.36 | lelu | i was going to set it so a bash script was run every five mins or so which used a regular expression to get the wlan0 status from iwconfig and then run a command to bring the wireless back up if it was down |
| 00:43.48 | lelu | but i cant remember the command and its been six months since i last had to do it |
| 00:44.15 | lelu | and google right now is not my friend... |
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| 00:44.53 | pl4yer0ne | lelu, you looking for ifup/ifdown maybe? |
| 00:46.08 | abrotman | lelu: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:46.18 | lelu | ifup does nothing for me... for somereason. somehow i set up wifi without touching /etc/network/ |
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| 00:47.10 | lelu | im scratching my head as to how i managed it in the first place |
| 00:47.26 | pl4yer0ne | did you do it through the gui? |
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| 00:47.49 | JordiGH | Alright, web2 is running exim4. How do I fix this? http://erxz.com/pb/18721 |
| 00:48.08 | lelu | pl4yer0ne: i did initially but it wasnt working as required so i then finished it within terminal |
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| 00:49.00 | lelu | the dir /etc/network/run/ifstate has wlan0 in it |
| 00:49.04 | w9fyi | I am a new user to debian. Is there any kind of debian-arizona channel? |
| 00:49.16 | lelu | just /etc/network/interfaces is empty |
| 00:50.03 | JordiGH | w9fyi: I'd be surprised if it got that specific. I estimate that there are at a maximum 100 Debian users in Arizona. ;-) |
| 00:50.25 | Irishmanluke | ubuntu has all the states because they're a ll about community |
| 00:50.56 | w9fyi | ah ok well, maybe you can atleast point me in the correct direction. How to I get the latest beta version of icedove? so that it will work with orca properly? |
| 00:50.57 | Irishmanluke | w9fyi: /msg alis list *debian* |
| 00:50.57 | adb | !sunday |
| 00:50.57 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:51.09 | pl4yer0ne | we could probably find some arizonians to hang out with you though... |
| 00:51.29 | deadcat | what does this mean? FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686-bigmem/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 00:51.51 | lelu | abrotman: i believe i used iwconfig to setup the wireless network before |
| 00:52.01 | pl4yer0ne | deadcat, it means the module didnt find the graphics card i think |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | lelu: just once? |
| 00:52.18 | abrotman | w9fyi: there is a #debian-offtopic |
| 00:52.27 | lelu | abrotman: in the begining, then i must have done something to get the server to do it automatically on boot |
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| 00:52.45 | abrotman | lelu: look in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 00:53.20 | lelu | abrotman: there it is... |
| 00:53.24 | deadcat | pl4yer0ne: interesting. |
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| 00:53.42 | deadcat | pl4yer0ne: i am using the NV driver at the moment |
| 00:54.06 | pl4yer0ne | are you on a laptop? |
| 00:54.16 | deadcat | pl4yer0ne: no. desktop PCI nvidia card. |
| 00:54.35 | lelu | abrotman: this is what it says http://pastebin.com/d20f044f8 |
| 00:54.59 | pl4yer0ne | hmmm wierd. |
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| 00:55.33 | deadcat | pl4yer0ne: nvidia works fine on 2.6.26 (but i upgraded to 2.6.30 and nvidia-glx, now neither works. |
| 00:55.50 | pl4yer0ne | did you rebuild the module? |
| 00:55.50 | deadcat | pl4yer0ne: i think it loads under 2.6.26. but not .30 |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | lelu: okay .. so use the command i gave you earlier |
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| 00:57.47 | lelu | ifup wlan0 says: ifup: interface wlan0 already configured |
| 00:58.01 | lelu | so thats the one I should use when i have determined its down? |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | that's not the command i gave you |
| 00:59.34 | deadcat | i am also having some bad luck with pwc (webcam driver) as well. [ 391.283479] pwc: isoc_init() submit_urb 0 failed with error -28 |
| 00:59.59 | lelu | abrotman: /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 01:03.47 | lelu | ok i suppose i should get some sleep now |
| 01:03.49 | lelu | night all |
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| 01:05.12 | ayberk | hello |
| 01:05.21 | ayberk | whats debian ip route? |
| 01:05.25 | ayberk | help |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | what's the what? |
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| 01:08.01 | ayberk | sorry |
| 01:08.09 | ayberk | how to debian ip routing? |
| 01:08.26 | ayberk | how to make debian ip routing |
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| 01:17.38 | abrotman | ayberk: you're not making sense ? .. could you explain more |
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| 01:21.17 | macrobat_ | ayberk: there are the commands "ifconfig" and "route" |
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| 01:28.01 | vizzy | craigevil, thanks :) done |
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| 01:30.26 | simonrvn | ayberk: why would debian be any different than say fedora or ubuntu, for stuff like ifconfig, route, ip, tc, etc.? |
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| 01:31.59 | deadcat | simonrvn: because debian might call them: difconfig, droute, dip, detc. |
| 01:32.30 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 01:33.22 | deadcat | what does this mean? FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686-bigmem/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 01:33.38 | macrobat_ | n1, deadcat :) |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | deadcat: you don't have an nvidia card ? |
| 01:34.09 | deadcat | abrotman: i do. |
| 01:34.26 | deadcat | abrotman: maybe 2.6.30 doesnt see it? i am using it right now (NV) |
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| 01:34.32 | simonrvn | unload the other module first? |
| 01:34.51 | deadcat | simonrvn: no. that was before i use NV |
| 01:34.53 | macrobat_ | do you have more than 4 gb RAM on a 686 system? |
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| 01:35.04 | deadcat | macrobat_: i have 4GB |
| 01:35.20 | deadcat | its a pci nvidia card. |
| 01:35.24 | macrobat_ | ok, good :) |
| 01:35.26 | deadcat | i turned a server into a desktop |
| 01:35.39 | erong | my pci wifi card was eth0 but after a recent upgrade, it became eth4. how did this happen? |
| 01:35.52 | deadcat | erong: udev |
| 01:36.06 | abrotman | !tell erong about 70 |
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| 01:36.31 | deadcat | simonrvn: 03:01.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 01:36.39 | macrobat_ | deadcat: if its an old nvidia card, maybe it wants a legacy driver |
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| 01:36.55 | deadcat | macrobat_: its pretty new. 128MB memory. |
| 01:37.13 | Neo_The_User | using the daily build for debian (amd64) can i install it on an ext4 partition? |
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| 01:37.43 | erong | deadcat, abrotman : thks for the info, will look further into those udev rules. |
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| 01:39.07 | Neo_The_User | like this daily build for example? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
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| 01:39.49 | erong | abrotman: "/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules", no such files. |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | erong: read the rest of the factoid |
| 01:40.05 | Neo_The_User | hello? |
| 01:40.05 | deadcat | why doesnt 2.6.30-1-686 come with the nvidia .deb package? i got to m-a it myself. |
| 01:41.21 | erong | abrotman: ok, thks. |
| 01:41.24 | adb | deadcat: m-a clean , done ? |
| 01:41.34 | deadcat | adb: yes. it built, installed but wont load. |
| 01:41.51 | adb | deadcat: ah as here.. |
| 01:42.21 | Neo_The_User | hello?!?? |
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| 01:42.38 | ayberk | abrotman : sorry my bad english |
| 01:42.39 | deadcat | adb: 2.6.30? |
| 01:42.46 | adb | yes |
| 01:42.49 | ayberk | abrotman : ethernet 0 and ethernet 1 do I need to do is call you directly. internet service provider gave me 16 pieces of static ip number. my server behind the need to use the ropes. |
| 01:42.52 | deadcat | oh dear. |
| 01:43.09 | Neo_The_User | .....anybody wanna answer something? |
| 01:43.13 | macrobat_ | Neo_The_User: idk how stable ext4 is right now |
| 01:43.28 | Neo_The_User | macrobat_ but can i install debian to it? |
| 01:43.40 | macrobat_ | i wouldnt try it myself |
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| 01:43.52 | Neo_The_User | but is it physically possible? |
| 01:44.09 | adb | !ext4 |
| 01:44.09 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:44.20 | macrobat_ | i guess the new kernels have support for ext4 and other filesystems |
| 01:44.30 | Neo_The_User | ok im asking about the installer |
| 01:44.45 | Neo_The_User | in the installer, if i do a manual partition, is ext4 one of the options? |
| 01:45.15 | deadcat | xorg's NV cant do dual monitors no? arg. |
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| 01:45.41 | macrobat_ | look and see :) i would make an ext4 beforehand |
| 01:45.56 | Neo_The_User | im not wasting a cd just to find something out |
| 01:46.18 | adb | use CDRW man |
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| 01:46.30 | Neo_The_User | adb: dont have any |
| 01:46.45 | adb | to bad |
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| 01:46.57 | Neo_The_User | so thats it? a "screw you Neo" |
| 01:47.17 | macrobat_ | cd-r:s are cheap, i buy them in packs of 50 |
| 01:47.18 | adb | i use same set off CDRW from years .. |
| 01:47.38 | Neo_The_User | wow you guys are so helpful getting off topic |
| 01:47.49 | macrobat_ | there is also usb install |
| 01:49.10 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 01:49.10 | dpkg | For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files (0627 images) are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 02:31.39 | rafaelgp | hello. i have more then 1 ip address loaded on my eth0. sometimes output data goes out from one ip.. some times from another. how could i choose to only let a certain IP for output as a default? |
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| 02:45.10 | gh0st3r | whats this about an openssh 4.3 0-day exploit? |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | it's bunk |
| 02:45.39 | gh0st3r | bunk? |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | do more research before you ask questions about it |
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| 02:57.08 | gh0st3r | what is a good application (or even an ipchains technique) to mitigate port scans? |
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| 03:01.49 | h0nk | gh0st3r: we created a setup with portsentry and cron+blockhost |
| 03:02.17 | h0nk | probably to slow though |
| 03:03.14 | gh0st3r | i see... |
| 03:03.53 | foxtrot | whats the best way to check what services are running on which ports on which interfaces? |
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| 03:05.28 | rafaelgp | hello. i have one NIC with 3 ip adresses attached to it. i had to delete the default routes and add just one: eth0. otherwise packets would be sent out from eth0:1 and i can't have that. how could i make it default? |
| 03:05.42 | h0nk | foxtrot: you can try "netstat -tupl" if you trust your machine |
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| 03:17.37 | foxtrot | why is it that despite port 21 being blocked, ftp client still say 'Connected to servername.tld.' and sit for a minute before saying 'Connection closed by a remote host' |
| 03:18.10 | ajavid | it depends on your exact rule |
| 03:18.17 | bonez46 | I need to map drives on a windows xp machine on my home lan.. but some file names have spaces, a la, "My Images".. where I store scanned image files on that xp box.. how can I map those drive locations with the space in that name? |
| 03:18.25 | rafaelgp | hello. i have one NIC with 3 ip adresses attached to it. i had to delete the default routes and add just one: eth0. otherwise packets would be sent out from eth0:1 and i can't have that. how could i make it default? |
| 03:18.25 | ajavid | why don't you reject instead of being |
| 03:18.52 | foxtrot | im using iptables -A INPUT -j REJECT |
| 03:19.00 | ajavid | hm. |
| 03:20.55 | h0nk | ajavid: I had the impression that DROP was preferable since it makes it harder to see if there is really nothing listening |
| 03:21.21 | ajavid | it doesn't matter |
| 03:21.21 | h0nk | it might also slow down scans |
| 03:21.25 | ajavid | thats still kinda useless |
| 03:21.36 | ajavid | REJECT is actually preferred over drop |
| 03:21.59 | h0nk | what is the argument? |
| 03:22.02 | ajavid | by many a serious security experts, becuase once again, I don't fully remember what I learned in college, but rjeect is better |
| 03:22.07 | ajavid | I'm trying to remember the argument |
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| 03:22.56 | ajavid | anyway |
| 03:23.12 | ajavid | drop creates the effect that ip isn't in use |
| 03:23.14 | ajavid | obviously |
| 03:23.33 | h0nk | or not responding |
| 03:23.39 | ajavid | however if you have a service, like ftp, ssh, anyone portscanning will you know your'e there, so a reject would be a correct thing to do |
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| 03:24.16 | ajavid | again, two diff schools of thought come into play |
| 03:24.25 | ajavid | what do you do in a DDos scenario? |
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| 03:24.32 | ajavid | you obviously shouldn't reject, thats stupid |
| 03:24.50 | ajavid | Iguess it just depends on uhmm... need? or particular case |
| 03:24.55 | h0nk | I don't follow your argument |
| 03:25.03 | ajavid | ok |
| 03:25.05 | ajavid | I haven yet |
| 03:25.18 | ajavid | but why don't you gogole "iptables drop vs reject" |
| 03:25.20 | h0nk | I can DROP all ports, and put a e.g. an sshd on 80 |
| 03:25.33 | ajavid | go read, I'm tired and I can't read tonight, why don't you read and tell me |
| 03:25.40 | ajavid | or else wait until tomrorow when i can read it. |
| 03:25.48 | h0nk | wow |
| 03:26.02 | h0nk | another way to say stfu i guess |
| 03:26.11 | ajavid | well... thats the thing |
| 03:26.19 | ajavid | I WASNT trying to say that :) |
| 03:26.27 | bonez46 | anyone? how can i create a link to a folder on a win xp machine with space in name? |
| 03:26.35 | rafaelgp | hello. i have one NIC with 3 ip adresses attached to it. i had to delete the default routes and add just one: eth0. otherwise packets would be sent out from eth0:1 and i can't have that. how could i make it default? |
| 03:26.48 | ajavid | bonez46, put double quotes around it or escape the space with a backslash |
| 03:26.58 | ajavid | this\ is\ my\ file.txt |
| 03:27.03 | ajavid | or, "this is my file.txt" |
| 03:27.30 | ajavid | bonez46, I'm guessing you have it mounted via samba |
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| 03:27.46 | bonez46 | ajavid: I guess.. yeah.. |
| 03:27.49 | ajavid | bonez46, tab completion should be able to this escaping of space in bash |
| 03:27.57 | ajavid | to do* |
| 03:28.15 | bonez46 | so if I create a launcher on my desktop.. then the path would all be in double quotes, right? |
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| 03:28.36 | ajavid | rafaelgp, also, try irc.debian.org #debian or debian mailing list |
| 03:28.48 | foxtrot | i probably need to always have port 25 open if im hosting a mail server |
| 03:28.56 | ajavid | rafaelgp, I can't assist and its sunday night, early monday morning I doubt many folk are around |
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| 03:29.29 | rafaelgp | ok thank you |
| 03:30.01 | ajavid | bonez46, just open a terminal, cd ~/Desktop and ln -s "path to/thisfile/the file.txt" |
| 03:30.05 | ajavid | or whatever. |
| 03:30.09 | ajavid | I dunno gui stuff |
| 03:30.15 | bonez46 | so this link >> smb://lytecproclaim/proclaimc/My%20Images/filescan/scott would be listed as //lytecproclaims/proclaimc/My\ Images/filescan/scott is that correct? |
| 03:30.29 | ajavid | you can't create a shortcut to it afaik, not easily |
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| 03:30.37 | bonez46 | ok |
| 03:30.46 | ajavid | you're using the smb: in either gnomevsfs or in kio-tools in kde |
| 03:31.01 | ajavid | you first need to mount the samba share somewhere and then you can create a symbolic link(shortcut) |
| 03:31.32 | ajavid | otherwise ask in irc.gnome.org #gnome or in #kde here on freenode about how to directly make a shortcut to an unmounted share via the kio tools |
| 03:32.04 | ajavid | actually im on kde 3.5.10, debian lenny |
| 03:32.19 | ajavid | I can go to my desktop folder in konqueror, right click, create link to URL |
| 03:32.25 | ajavid | in there I type in smb:// and it seems to be ok |
| 03:32.36 | ajavid | i have no idea about gnome |
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| 03:37.50 | whoopsmcgeepants | I just installed lenny onto my machine with LVM2 logical volumes containing / and swap and /home with a separate 255MB /boot as sda2, and LVM in sda2 |
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| 03:38.05 | whoopsmcgeepants | But GRUB fils to boot with a non-desriptive Error 15 |
| 03:38.43 | whoopsmcgeepants | WHich apparently means a file is missing? But I have my kernel in /boot and I'm in an Ubuntu live CD looking at /boot and things seem to be in order... including a menu.lst that points to the kernel file |
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| 03:40.20 | sunru | hello, i've moved to apache on debian, but the configuation is different to the previous distro. Is there any debian specific command line tools and how are vhosts organized? |
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| 03:42.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | sunru: yes there is. a2{en,dis}{mod,site} are the tools , but i suspect this is epxlained in the debian readme |
| 03:42.33 | sunru | debian has "conf.d" the old distro has "vhosts.d" |
| 03:43.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | sunru: look at /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 03:43.34 | sunru | oh thanks. |
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| 03:46.20 | Pnux | i know this is crazy, but is there a way to copy the permissions from a folder to another folder with the same files tree? |
| 03:47.38 | sunru | Pnux: --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps. |
| 03:48.37 | Pnux | sunru: cp, im guessing.. i want to preserve everything but the permissions |
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| 03:53.32 | Pnux | you think that 'cp --preserve=all --no-preserve=mode,ownership /path /path' would work? |
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| 03:56.17 | pl4yer0ne | do you want to copy the files as well? |
| 03:56.22 | ScHauFFy | yes |
| 03:56.23 | ScHauFFy | nigger |
| 03:56.56 | Pnux | pl4yer0ne: no |
| 03:57.03 | charitwo | ScHauFFy: please keep it clean |
| 03:57.38 | pl4yer0ne | maybe rsync would work |
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| 03:59.53 | Pnux | yeah, some guy told me to try the -a option of rsync, i wanted to see if cp worked, if not, ill try rsync |
| 04:00.21 | pl4yer0ne | I dont think you can use cp without copying files |
| 04:00.24 | SuperMiguel | is there anything similar to gnump3 that doesnt have as many bugs? |
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| 04:01.10 | Pnux | pl4yer0ne: yeah, me neither.. thanks for the answer |
| 04:01.35 | pl4yer0ne | with rsync you can do a dry run first as well |
| 04:01.35 | kejen | has anyone been able to get 96 legacy nvidia driver installed with 2.6.30? Custom kernel or debian kernel |
| 04:01.46 | pl4yer0ne | so you can see what will happen before you do it for real |
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| 04:02.16 | ScHauFFy | fuck u niggerz |
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| 04:02.36 | craigevil | !ops ScHauFFy spam racists |
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| 04:02.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: ScHauFFy spam racists |
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| 04:03.18 | Sark | I just made the stupidest discovery ever. I actually think I managed to make this box run a lot faster... |
| 04:03.23 | Sark | Get this. I _removed_ some RAM. |
| 04:03.30 | ScHauFFy | !ops craigevil spam racists |
| 04:03.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: schauffy complains about: craigevil spam racists |
| 04:03.34 | craigevil | mismatched ram? |
| 04:03.55 | Sark | I dunno. Must have been. |
| 04:04.25 | ScHauFFy | !ops craigevil dirty language |
| 04:04.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: schauffy complains about: craigevil dirty language |
| 04:04.31 | Sark | Initially, this box didn't have enough RAM to run the installer. Only 20 meg. So I pulled out the four 1meg sticks and plugged in four more 4meg sticks, bringing me up to 32meg. |
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| 04:04.32 | ScHauFFy | fucking idiot |
| 04:04.34 | craigevil | i had that once debian sid could handle it but not any other distros that I tried |
| 04:04.34 | ScHauFFy | get fucked up |
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| 04:04.45 | gaurav_10 | hello guys.. |
| 04:04.49 | ScHauFFy | shut the fuck up craigevil |
| 04:04.55 | ScHauFFy | u 2 gaurav_10 |
| 04:04.59 | ScHauFFy | u fuckin idiot |
| 04:05.24 | simonrvn | ScHauFFy: look who's talking |
| 04:05.50 | Sark | So, the box ran OK, but it was _really_ slow. Even slower than it should have been. It was so bad that there was noticeable lag in my typing in ircII. |
| 04:05.51 | charitwo | simonrvn, please don't |
| 04:06.15 | simonrvn | why isn't he kicked yet? |
| 04:06.32 | Sark | But removing the last four sticks, bringing me back down to only 16meg, and the thing boots much faster, and just runs better. I don't get it. |
| 04:06.47 | ScHauFFy | simonrvn fuck u |
| 04:06.58 | ScHauFFy | send me ur ip n see what happens u cocky fucker |
| 04:07.00 | simonrvn | ScHauFFy: no thanks, you're not my type |
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| 04:07.26 | gaurav_10 | I am on debian_lenny_5.0.0..I was trying to setup pppoe connection through rp-pppoe. It gets connected but I am not able to browse any site or ping from cli. I have already flooded /etc/resolv.conf with the DNS and also some of the opendns but still it doesnt seem to work. Anyone ? |
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| 04:10.54 | Sark | Oh, while I'm here, anyone know what package contains gzcat? I've already got gzip installed, but no gzcat. And of course, it's not in the package repository. |
| 04:11.29 | pl4yer0ne | its just zcat isnt in Sark ? |
| 04:11.50 | Sark | ah. no wonder I couldn't find it... |
| 04:11.56 | Sark | slaps forehead |
| 04:12.01 | Sark | thanks... |
| 04:12.18 | Sark | That'll teach me to stay up this late fooling around. I start forgetting stupid stuff ;) |
| 04:12.32 | pl4yer0ne | and its in gzip package btw |
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| 04:14.00 | Sark | Yeah, I _thought_ it should have been in with gzip. I can't believe I got the name mixed up like that... |
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| 04:15.53 | Sark | Now I just need to figure out why this thing insists on loading device-mapper kernel modules even though I have blacklisted them in both the system blacklist file and the blacklist file in the initrd ramdisk. |
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| 04:25.17 | gaurav_10 | I am on debian_lenny_5.0.0..I was trying to setup pppoe connection through rp-pppoe. It gets connected but I am not able to browse any site or ping from cli. I have already flooded /etc/resolv.conf with the DNS and also some of the opendns but still it doesnt seem to work. Anyone ? |
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| 04:28.20 | SuperMiguel | when i do an rsync i get a rsync: chown |
| 04:28.21 | SuperMiguel | error |
| 04:28.26 | SuperMiguel | any idea? |
| 04:28.35 | SuperMiguel | failed: Operation not permitted (1) |
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| 04:30.44 | ZitZ | can you expand on the error message? what were you doing at the time? |
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| 04:34.49 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: rsync as a normal user can't preserve ownership |
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| 04:35.10 | SuperMiguel | when i do rsync -av /mnt/tank/Full/Music/ /mnt/temp/ |
| 04:35.17 | SuperMiguel | i get an error :( |
| 04:35.28 | SuperMiguel | rsync: chown "/mnt/temp/a/Adassa/Kamasutra/Thumbs.db" failed: Operation not permitted (1) |
| 04:35.33 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: it still copied everything, it just belongs to you instead of the original user |
| 04:35.42 | SuperMiguel | keep getting that with different files |
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| 04:36.03 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: because they are not owned by you, you told rsync to preserve ownership, and you are not root |
| 04:36.17 | SuperMiguel | im running it as root |
| 04:36.26 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: oh |
| 04:36.34 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: /mnt/temp is fat or ntfs? |
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| 04:36.41 | SuperMiguel | fat32 |
| 04:36.46 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: so it doesn't support permissions and ownership |
| 04:37.02 | SuperMiguel | umm but it copied 380gb out of 400gb :S |
| 04:37.08 | SuperMiguel | and then it gave me those errors |
| 04:37.42 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: try rsync -rtv instead of -av |
| 04:37.59 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: that only tries to preserve timestamps, not the other stuff that fat32 doesn't support |
| 04:38.36 | \amethyst | SuperMiguel: also, if any of your files are larger than 4GB, fat32 won't be able to hold them |
| 04:38.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | fat is so, so nasty :/ |
| 04:38.58 | SuperMiguel | it is :( |
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| 04:41.03 | Shtl | Hello all |
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| 04:44.34 | gaurav_10 | I am on debian_lenny_5.0.0..I was trying to setup pppoe connection through rp-pppoe. It gets connected but I am not able to browse any site or ping from cli. I have already flooded /etc/resolv.conf with the DNS and also some of the opendns but still it doesnt seem to work. Anyone ? |
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| 04:48.01 | phorce1 | what would you suggest I install on a new Lenny box for someone (a family) I am going to force-feed Linux? The kids are windows users, the parents are absolute non-computer users. I'm giving them a system, I'm NOT paying for a M$ license, so they det Debian. General Internet-over-dialup stuff |
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| 04:57.21 | jpinx-eeepc | phorce1: depends on what you think they will use the computer for |
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| 04:58.37 | jpinx-eeepc | My standard install in that situation is lenny with firefox/IW browser, a pdf reader, a pps displayer, skype, and if they have email - thunderbird |
| 05:00.21 | Shtl | I am using lenny, and uptill now it was fine with monitor appearence but now when i booted all the icons and fonts all blurred can any one help me please??? |
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| 05:15.42 | lenny_himself | I just full-upgrade'd to lenny from etch. Yet /etc/debian_version just shows 'testing/unstable'. Is this a sign my upgrade is a little off, or am I just being ocd? |
| 05:15.46 | phorce1 | martian67_, jpinx-eeepc basic internet-over-dialup stuff. It's not intended to be a gaming machine. It's dialup (no broaddband where they live) so things like MySpace and Facebook would be limited severely even on a Winblows machine. |
| 05:17.08 | phorce1 | lenny_himself: my clean install of Lenny says 5.0.2 in /etc/debian_version |
| 05:18.16 | phorce1 | lenny_himself: testing/unstable sounds like you have a mixed system. Did you have stuff installed/pinned from sid at some point? |
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| 05:19.05 | craigevil | 5.02 is Lenny |
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| 05:19.48 | lenny_himself | phorce1: It was etch. I just did an upgrade. |
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| 05:20.49 | phorce1 | lenny_himself: but did you have a "mixed" etch system with stuff pulled from sid or lenny running on etch before you did the upgrade? |
| 05:20.59 | lenny_himself | No, the sources were all labeled "etch". |
| 05:21.06 | lenny_himself | I just changed them, upgraded everything. |
| 05:21.11 | lenny_himself | Now it says testing/unstable. |
| 05:21.15 | lenny_himself | Works fine, though. |
| 05:21.28 | phorce1 | what does uname -a say? |
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| 05:33.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops casej DCC attack |
| 05:33.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kamping_kaiser complains about: casej DCC attack |
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| 05:34.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | cheers. |
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| 05:34.45 | Dj`Roberts | hi |
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| 05:35.50 | mentor | jason_m, Liquid-, damog, [Canut], regnirps, Buglouse (again), HockeyInJune0, Monkey_b, NetEcho: Your IRC clients have a vulnerability; fix them |
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| 05:36.11 | liable | isnt it their shitty linksys routers? |
| 05:36.18 | mentor | IS it? |
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| 05:36.33 | liable | i thought so. can't remember for sure |
| 05:36.40 | mentor | I... really don't care enough to find out, I'm afraid. |
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| 06:08.00 | PrimoTurbo | I'm bored and have an old Pentium3, what are some cool projects to try with it. Already running web/file/torrent/music server and game emulation. |
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| 06:18.58 | rozie | PrimoTurbo: you can try to run tor node |
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| 06:20.04 | rozie | maybe not as end point, but as a bridge or middle node - this is save choice |
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| 06:22.24 | gnz11 | faileas: should be able to save old xorg.conf rename oldxorg.conf then copy custom xorg.conf in dir and name xorg.conf. |
| 06:23.05 | faileas | gnz11: on a live cd? |
| 06:23.21 | gnz11 | cntrl+alt+bksp then restatx |
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| 06:24.11 | faileas | hmm |
| 06:24.12 | gnz11 | should work the file system is full so you can edit everything else , it just in memory |
| 06:24.15 | faileas | i suppose i could do that |
| 06:24.30 | faileas | oh.. yeah, unionfs |
| 06:24.35 | faileas | *facepalms* |
| 06:24.45 | faileas | ya, that should work, thanks :) |
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| 07:03.22 | factor | does anyone know how to change vmalloc size to 256M? |
| 07:03.27 | factor | in grub |
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| 07:05.25 | PepperBob | can anyone suggest a simple backup solution? |
| 07:05.49 | PepperBob | i once used reoback but it seems not in development anymore - it's not in the repos either.. |
| 07:06.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | PepperBob: what sort of backup? |
| 07:07.00 | PepperBob | Kamping_Kaiser: well, just a solution to backup local files, maybe svn such kind of stuff |
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| 07:08.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | PepperBob: something like rsnapshot ? (I'm not familiar with reoback) |
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| 07:08.20 | cantido | or rdiff-backup |
| 07:08.30 | factor | ok out found a link about it |
| 07:08.47 | PepperBob | Kamping_Kaiser: will have a look - thx. |
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| 07:09.51 | echosystm | on a core2duo, am i best off using i386 or amd64? |
| 07:10.05 | echosystm | i'm only running 2gb ram, so i figured 64bit isnt worth it |
| 07:10.28 | echosystm | but apparently there are some things that will run slightly quicker under 64bit |
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| 07:11.27 | PepperBob | Kamping_Kaiser: that looks quite what i'm looking for. |
| 07:11.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think dpkg needs an i386 vs amd64 factoid of some sort |
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| 07:11.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | PepperBob: gl |
| 07:13.43 | cantido | echosystm: I think one of the main reasons not to use amd64 before was that flash etc didn't work, that isn't the case anymore though |
| 07:14.17 | sauvin | I'm using 64 bit on a 2GB laptop and not pleased to see that some apps crash a LOT more often than their 32 bit counterparts on my other machine. |
| 07:14.34 | echosystm | hmm, i think i'll stick to 32bit then |
| 07:15.53 | echosystm | i'm comming from ubuntu, which i am comfortable installing my own custom desktop from commandline |
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| 07:16.08 | echosystm | how much different is debian? like, will it set up audio etc. automagically like ubuntu? |
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| 07:16.24 | cantido | sauvin: mmm I thought the amd64 stuff was pretty stable now |
| 07:16.27 | echosystm | do i have to manually install ALSA etc? |
| 07:17.08 | sauvin | Cantido, I may have screwed up in the install; I'd thought I'd installed lenny, but /etc/issue suggests I'm running Etch. |
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| 07:17.48 | mjt | any way to load new firmware into a (seagate) sata hard drive under linux? |
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| 07:19.35 | cantido | echosystm: if you install the desktop task I think alsa-base is installed automagically |
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| 07:20.24 | ronr | hi, I just found this in my syslog, should I be worried? http://pastebin.com/d4f7cd2c6 |
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| 07:23.26 | janis | hi there!! I have recently performed a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Can I somehow change back to lenny? |
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| 07:23.42 | PepperBob | Kamping_Kaiser: the snapshot root can as well be a mounted samba share.. shouldn't be an issue, right? |
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| 07:27.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | PepperBob: not sure about that; i dont deal with samba :) |
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| 07:27.13 | PepperBob | ah ok :) np - i'll just give it a try |
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| 07:29.43 | jony123 | i was wondering does anyone have a server that i could run a program on. its writin on python |
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| 07:35.52 | ajavid | jony123, try freeshell.org |
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| 07:36.37 | jony123 | im havin a look at some sites but would they let me run python apps? |
| 07:36.42 | ajavid | http://www.red-pill.eu/freeunix.shtml |
| 07:36.47 | ajavid | look around |
| 07:37.10 | nsadmin | jony123: what about installing python on your own computer? |
| 07:37.34 | jony123 | i have |
| 07:37.51 | jony123 | but its loud and sucks power and its only a p2 |
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| 07:38.08 | jony123 | and ajavid thanks |
| 07:38.21 | ronr | is there an easy way to find all files last modified on a particular date on an ext3 fs? |
| 07:38.36 | ajavid | http://codepad.org/ |
| 07:38.58 | ajavid | jony123, http://codepad.org/Q8YtBja5 |
| 07:38.59 | nsadmin | janis: downgrades are not supported... some packages will downgrade just by virtue of replace, but no debian maint writes downgrade scripts, so for more complex packages it doesn't work and in general is purposely unsupported |
| 07:39.33 | PepperBob | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry one last question that is not obvious imo: where is defined in which intervals each backup job in the config is run? |
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| 07:40.00 | nsadmin | janis: so once you squeeze, you'll never like lenny's fleas |
| 07:40.14 | nirupama | I need help |
| 07:40.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | PepperBob: probably by cron - you might have to configure it, or it may have provided a script in /etc/cron.* |
| 07:40.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell nirupama about ask |
| 07:40.30 | nirupama | I am booting into my debian machine.It does not go to console |
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| 07:40.42 | nsadmin | nirupama: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 07:40.43 | nirupama | it does not go to login screen |
| 07:40.50 | nsadmin | nirupama: /msg dpkg emter |
| 07:40.51 | nirupama | it stops at the console |
| 07:40.52 | nsadmin | enter |
| 07:40.59 | nirupama | where I am entering the login username |
| 07:41.06 | PepperBob | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, so it'll run every defined job depeneding on how often it gets started.. |
| 07:41.10 | nirupama | but after that it does not ask me for passowrd |
| 07:41.19 | nirupama | it directly asks for login again |
| 07:41.22 | nsadmin | nirupama: /msg dpkg enter |
| 07:41.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | PepperBob: i've not used it for a while, so i dont remember exactly |
| 07:41.28 | nirupama | what could be the reason |
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| 07:41.36 | nirupama | why is it not asking for my password |
| 07:41.39 | nirupama | what went wrong |
| 07:41.50 | nsadmin | I'm not scrolling up to get the whole question |
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| 07:42.01 | nirupama | any body available |
| 07:42.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. |
| 07:44.46 | nsadmin | nirupama: so I want you to be able to get quality help on irc... I know you asked a question, but it was split up on like 10 lines, and me being kinda lazy, I'm not going to scroll up, collect them all into a text editor and recombine them so I can see your whole question. |
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| 07:49.57 | echosystm | anyone know of a disk erasing program? |
| 07:50.05 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: wipe |
| 07:50.08 | echosystm | one that gives you the option to not erase the entire disk |
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| 07:50.17 | echosystm | i only want to do the first half or so |
| 07:50.22 | jogla | Hello |
| 07:50.29 | sauvin | "first half or so"? |
| 07:50.31 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: for what purpose? |
| 07:50.39 | sauvin | And how do you know exactly where the stuff you want wiped is? |
| 07:50.52 | nsadmin | echosystm: make a partition of exactly what you want to erase, then wipe that partition |
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| 07:51.18 | jogla | I access a computer through an ssh tunnel. For diagnostic purposes, i have to sniff the traffic thats in this ssh tunnel, do you have any suggestions? |
| 07:51.19 | echosystm | im anal retentive and i like to be 100% sure the MBR etc. is completely gone before i reinstall |
| 07:51.43 | jogla | I cannot connect directly, because the computer is behind a NAT |
| 07:51.49 | dondelelcaro | echosystm: then just use dd |
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| 07:52.10 | dondelelcaro | jogla: so connect and use tcpdump or similar |
| 07:52.14 | nsadmin | echosystm: (and I'm too lazy right now to ask you why you're doing this... noting your response a moment ago, it turns out to be too much info :) |
| 07:52.22 | xci | is there a tool to convert unicode chars into utf8 format? |
| 07:52.29 | dondelelcaro | xci: iconv |
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| 07:52.43 | jogla | dondelelcaro: Then i see encrypted ssh traffic |
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| 07:53.20 | jogla | The problem is, i don't need the cryptography of ssh, i just need the tunneling capabilities. |
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| 07:55.51 | nirupama | nsadmin, I am not ask that I have started my debian machine.It did not show my usual login screen instead it stopped at the console and asks for username.When I entered username it is not asking for password and again asks to enter the username.this is getting repeated.I dont undertsnad what went wrong |
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| 07:59.19 | nirupama | nsadmin, are you there.Did you get my question? |
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| 08:16.36 | CraigGB | hi, if i downloaded the kernel source for a ubuntu kernel would it already be mostly preconfigured without copying a .config file across? |
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| 08:24.26 | khaije|amalt | anyone using the nfs-kernel-server on lenny? I'm getting rpc errors from nfs-common :( |
| 08:24.41 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:25.55 | SlayerXP | khaije|amalt: no, you're the only person in the world to use that. |
| 08:27.15 | mjt | for fun.. it looks like i'm the only person in the world who's using automount |
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| 08:28.51 | khaije|amalt | mjt: i was thinking about doing that for the nfs mounts actually |
| 08:29.17 | khaije|amalt | does automount allow for a timeout umount? |
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| 08:30.40 | simonrvn | rtfm, tbh, fr. wtf. sheesh. |
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| 08:31.48 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 08:35.25 | Gnewt | I somehow managed to delete all Asterisk's config files... |
| 08:35.30 | Gnewt | apt-get remove and install doesn't replace them |
| 08:35.38 | Gnewt | It just leaves me with an empty /etc/asterisk |
| 08:35.40 | Gnewt | How can I fix this? |
| 08:35.51 | simonrvn | it wouldn't either. |
| 08:35.58 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 08:38.32 | Gnewt | THanks simonrvn |
| 08:38.38 | Gnewt | That worked for my /etc/init.d files and such |
| 08:38.42 | Gnewt | but still nothing in /etc/asterisk |
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| 08:44.13 | Gnewt | Never mind, figured it out :_ |
| 08:44.13 | Gnewt | :)* |
| 08:44.17 | Gnewt | seeya |
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| 08:46.33 | maxagaz | how to grep [ at the beginning of a file ? |
| 08:46.44 | maxagaz | grep [ myfile ? |
| 08:46.51 | maxagaz | \[ doesn't work |
| 08:47.17 | SPF | grep "^begin" |
| 08:47.46 | maxagaz | "^\[" |
| 08:47.50 | maxagaz | SPF, thanks |
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| 08:49.56 | mosno | SPF: how does that address the "beginning of a file" requirement? |
| 08:50.00 | mosno | unless he means "beginning of a line" |
| 08:50.15 | mosno | and i suppose he can pipe to "head -n1" |
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| 08:50.27 | mosno | loves answering his own questions |
| 08:50.58 | echosystm | anyone here ever used unetbootin ? |
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| 08:52.52 | SPF | mosno: yes, a head -n1 combination would be a solution |
| 08:53.01 | _coredump_ | echosystm, yes |
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| 08:53.36 | SPF | maxagaz: head -n1 foo.txt | grep "^\[" |
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| 08:53.50 | echosystm | how big flash drive do you need for a 600mb cd? |
| 08:53.54 | echosystm | i figured 600mb is fine... |
| 08:54.17 | echosystm | my debian iso extracted no worries, but i was gonna use the ubuntu livecd to use gparted first |
| 08:54.26 | echosystm | says a 2gb drive ran out of space :/ |
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| 08:55.39 | Shtl | all my desktop icons and fonts are looking blurred, can any one help me to rectify??? |
| 08:55.42 | _coredump_ | echosystm, why use ubuntu live-cd for gparted? take grml or gparted bootcd. its much smaller |
| 08:55.54 | echosystm | need dd too |
| 08:56.08 | echosystm | i didnt think that was on the gparted livecd |
| 08:56.13 | _coredump_ | you have dd on those |
| 08:56.18 | echosystm | ok cool |
| 08:56.19 | echosystm | thanks |
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| 08:59.27 | tarzeau | anyone from vienna/at or stockholm/se in here? |
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| 09:01.01 | nirupama | Why does it happen that even if I have set the passowrd for a user it is only taking the username and does not ask for the passowrd |
| 09:01.12 | nirupama | it again and again asks for the username only |
| 09:01.33 | jelly | nirupama: "it"? |
| 09:01.56 | nirupama | jelly, its a debian system |
| 09:02.12 | jelly | nirupama: where does "it" ask you? |
| 09:02.14 | seniorake | I'm really puzzled. how can i use rsync, so that it does just update the contents of the target files, without changing the permissions or the owner? |
| 09:02.14 | nirupama | jelly, I am expected to be asked for password but the console asks only for username. |
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| 09:02.43 | seniorake | -og preserves the owner and group of the host, but when i do not use -og then it sets the owner to the user which transferred the files, e.g. root |
| 09:02.43 | nirupama | jelly, the system does not go into login screen it stops in the console |
| 09:02.56 | jelly | nirupama: so, the console login prompt returns back to login without asking for the password. |
| 09:03.05 | nirupama | jelly, exactly |
| 09:03.14 | jelly | nirupama: can you log in as root? |
| 09:03.39 | nirupama | jelly, I am trying with root and shows the same problem |
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| 09:03.41 | jelly | nirupama: can you log in remotely (via ssh)? |
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| 09:04.06 | nirupama | jelly, I did not try.But what is the problem with my system.Do you find anything pishing |
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| 09:04.36 | nirupama | jelly, is there any issue with my machine |
| 09:04.37 | jelly | nirupama: I couldn't try guessing at this point. |
| 09:04.52 | jelly | there obviously is some issue... |
| 09:05.13 | nirupama | jelly, when does shuch problem comes that the system does not ask for password and always shows the userlogin: line |
| 09:05.57 | jelly | nirupama: try logging in remotely. If that fails, boot a livecd and takes a look at the logs (auth.log, daemon.log, and other) |
| 09:06.10 | enouf | nirupama: "set the passowrd for a user" <-- how? and "the system does not go into login screen" <--what login screen, a Display Manager? |
| 09:06.31 | jelly | <jelly> nirupama: so, the console login prompt returns back to login without asking for the password. <nirupama> jelly, exactly |
| 09:06.31 | nirupama | jelly, I am unable to do ssh as the system did not get logged in |
| 09:07.22 | nirupama | jelly, may be I have to look through live cd |
| 09:07.22 | enouf | !confuse me jelly and nirupama |
| 09:07.22 | dpkg | Yes, where was your hamster tomorrow, me jelly and nirupama? Pants of the Democracy of Liechtenstein with extra herring. |
| 09:07.35 | jelly | nirupama: that line makes little sense. A running ssh daemon doesn't rely on any other "logging in" |
| 09:07.53 | jelly | enouf: it is only you that are confused! |
| 09:08.01 | enouf | but ofcourse! |
| 09:08.02 | JJOliver | !lart enouf |
| 09:08.02 | dpkg | installs PocketPC on enouf's PDA |
| 09:08.08 | jelly | my saving throw succeeded |
| 09:08.40 | enouf | owns a Portable Document Acrobat? .. hrm.. |
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| 09:09.37 | jelly | nirupama: it could be any number of reasons. A botched upgrade; a bug in unstable were it a sid installation; a filesystem error with crucial files missing; a power failure resulting in the previous |
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| 09:09.38 | nirupama | jelly, but could you get the clue why the system is not asking for password even though the password is set for root user |
| 09:09.40 | enouf | why yes .. yes i do .. there are flying monkeys all around me |
| 09:10.10 | enouf | nirupama: which debian release? |
| 09:10.17 | jelly | nirupama: like I said, at this point there's not enough data to hazard a guess |
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| 09:10.22 | enouf | nirupama: is Shadowing being employed? |
| 09:10.40 | jelly | shrouds enouf in Shadows |
| 09:11.04 | owen1 | is it possible to change the lable of my usb devices so the mount points will be more readable? |
| 09:11.25 | JJOliver | owen1: symlinks?! |
| 09:11.35 | jelly | owen1: depends on the filesystem there; ext2, ext3, vfat have commands for that |
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| 09:12.16 | jelly | owen1: e2label or dosfslabel |
| 09:12.27 | owen1 | some of my devices have 2 partitions (FAT/ext3) and some ext3 only |
| 09:12.34 | JJOliver | If i wanted to build a computer to handle multiple qenu environments what do I need to get lots of, ram or CPU/ |
| 09:12.39 | JJOliver | s/ / /? |
| 09:12.42 | enouf | owen1: install mtools for DOS/vfat |
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| 09:12.56 | owen1 | ok |
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| 09:14.11 | enouf | hrm .. though ... wouldn't udev SYMLINK+== handle that? |
| 09:14.55 | enouf | !udev rules |
| 09:14.55 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 09:15.54 | JJOliver | I got an XP install via qemu, and I can't get it to see my USB drives or CD's, any suggestions? |
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| 09:16.57 | jelly | enouf, owen1: nah, dosfstools is enough |
| 09:17.12 | enouf | jelly: not when i attempted it |
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| 09:17.52 | jelly | enouf: the one in lenny doesn't that dosfslabel, or did it not work? |
| 09:17.55 | jelly | have* |
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| 09:18.07 | enouf | jelly: this was sarge era |
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| 09:18.19 | jelly | yeah well, git up with the times! |
| 09:18.32 | enouf | jelly: there was no mechanism, as i recall, in dosfstools to alter LABEL |
| 09:18.40 | enouf | well... |
| 09:19.24 | owen1 | 'sudo /etc/init.d/ivman start' - will it start on boot or do i need to do something else? |
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| 09:19.57 | enouf | owen1: where, when, why, how |
| 09:20.07 | Aldus | hi. I have a folder ("myfolder") with php files. I created a ftp user (with useradd -d myfolder -G ftp myuser). If I set 755 permissions on myfolder/subfolder, seems like myuser can't change the "subfolder" directory name because of no permissions. If I set 777 I enable writing also for php that I don't want. What am I missing? |
| 09:20.22 | owen1 | enouf: i installed ivman to automount devices. |
| 09:21.10 | jelly | owen1: normally when a package is installed, it sets up sysv init links to start itself at boot |
| 09:21.10 | owen1 | jelly: got it. also, what commmand will show me all those services? |
| 09:21.10 | jelly | owen1: if you see a /etc/rc2.d/S??ivman link present, that's it |
| 09:21.16 | jelly | !rcconf |
| 09:21.16 | dpkg | from memory, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
| 09:21.21 | enouf | owen1: did installing ivman put that /etc/init.d/ivman script there? and do /etc/rc?.d/{S,K}NNivman symlinks exist? |
| 09:21.38 | enouf | indeed - rcconf owen1 |
| 09:22.30 | owen1 | i see it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:22.38 | Aldus | could someone help me on the above permissions problem? I think it's quite a simple one |
| 09:22.46 | echosystm | disk access mode in bios - should this be DOS or other? |
| 09:22.54 | echosystm | ive never seen it before |
| 09:23.20 | enouf | dos, most likely |
| 09:23.31 | enouf | other == OS/2, perhaps |
| 09:23.45 | echosystm | it says "other" is for unix or novel netware etc. |
| 09:23.54 | enouf | or that |
| 09:23.57 | jelly | echosystm: it likely doesn't matter |
| 09:24.20 | enouf | echosystm: i would say it has to do with partition table types, and BIOS calls |
| 09:24.22 | jelly | echosystm: why do you ask? |
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| 09:25.01 | echosystm | just saw it in the bios and was wondering wtf it is lol |
| 09:25.11 | owen1 | wow. rcconf is great. i see all the sneaky processes now. |
| 09:25.24 | enouf | heh |
| 09:25.46 | enouf | owen1: you did run update-rcconf-guide, yes? |
| 09:25.48 | owen1 | do i need so many ? |
| 09:25.55 | owen1 | enouf: no |
| 09:26.04 | enouf | owen1: no, find out what each does and make decisions |
| 09:26.29 | owen1 | enouf: no need, i'll remove all and see if everything is ok. |
| 09:26.35 | owen1 | (-: |
| 09:26.40 | enouf | owen1: the debian reference can help as a start, and harden-doc can as well |
| 09:27.01 | enouf | owen1: ... |
| 09:27.20 | owen1 | mysql?? |
| 09:27.21 | owen1 | wtf |
| 09:27.23 | craigevil | there are also guide you can find with google that have to do with getting rid of services that start at boot that arent really needed |
| 09:27.26 | enouf | you better have a livecd handy ;-) |
| 09:27.45 | owen1 | i use mysql for ruby development, but why is it running on boot? |
| 09:28.02 | enouf | because you installed it! |
| 09:28.24 | owen1 | craigevil: no need for guides. i am an expert - 3 weeks with linux. |
| 09:28.27 | enouf | probably through tasksel .. heh |
| 09:28.49 | enouf | Aldus: might also ask in ##linux |
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| 09:28.53 | owen1 | enouf: i installed it, but it's my desktop machine. |
| 09:29.06 | enouf | owen1: it knows that? |
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| 09:29.14 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 09:29.20 | ech0s7 | hi |
| 09:29.20 | owen1 | at least it could ask me! |
| 09:29.27 | ech0s7 | i have a file with this permission |
| 09:29.27 | ech0s7 | drwxrwx--T |
| 09:29.32 | ech0s7 | what T stay for ? |
| 09:30.00 | g00se | owen1: mysql is a db and runs as a daemon |
| 09:30.00 | enouf | !permissions |
| 09:30.00 | owen1 | rsync?? |
| 09:30.00 | owen1 | send mail? |
| 09:30.00 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 09:30.00 | enouf | heh |
| 09:30.00 | Fox_1_ | is there any http request monitor? |
| 09:30.00 | owen1 | vbox?? |
| 09:30.05 | Fox_1_ | for debian or linux? |
| 09:30.21 | ech0s7 | enouf: already read |
| 09:30.29 | enouf | read harder |
| 09:30.29 | ech0s7 | no entry for T |
| 09:30.31 | owen1 | klogd?? |
| 09:30.34 | owen1 | lpd?? |
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| 09:30.39 | ech0s7 | enouf: no entry for T |
| 09:30.46 | owen1 | pppd-dns?? |
| 09:30.50 | enouf | ech0s7: it's there! at wikipedia |
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| 09:30.59 | owen1 | acpid?? |
| 09:31.19 | owen1 | apparmor?? i don't play AD&D anymore! |
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| 09:31.34 | enouf | owen1: lpd == line printer daemon, acpid == /msg dpkg acpi |
| 09:31.35 | owen1 | wtf is going on my machine. |
| 09:31.44 | ech0s7 | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission |
| 09:31.52 | ech0s7 | where do you see? |
| 09:31.56 | g00se | Fox_1: What are you going to do with it? |
| 09:32.18 | g00se | Fox_1_: What are you going to do with it? |
| 09:32.56 | Fox_1_ | I need to see my requests and responses to tomcat |
| 09:33.20 | enouf | shit. some fool edited wikipedia |
| 09:33.29 | g00se | Fox_1_: You're running it without Apache? |
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| 09:33.36 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 09:34.16 | mactimes | Hello everyone. I was wondering if there is a safe command I can use on a script in /etc/init.d/ to run a command as another user (I created a user just to run this process). |
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| 09:35.18 | ech0s7 | enouf: if you kwnow what T stay for, first to say so do you, instead of seeking links and waste time |
| 09:35.53 | g00se | Fox_1_: You would probably be better to use Tomcat itself and turn up the logging. The latest versions use log4j afaicr but this is not a topic for this channel |
| 09:36.23 | Fox_1_ | :( |
| 09:36.27 | enouf | ech0s7: it means, IIRC, sticky, and non-executable, because it's a capital T |
| 09:36.43 | enouf | ech0s7: i forget offhand! |
| 09:37.44 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 09:37.48 | enouf | there ech0s7 |
| 09:37.57 | enouf | # chmod +t test; ls -l test -rw-r--r-T 1 root other 0 Nov 10 12:57 test |
| 09:38.07 | g00se | mactimes: sudo ? |
| 09:38.19 | enouf | ech0s7: "If the sticky-bit is set on a file or directory without the execution bit set for the others category (non-user-owner and non-group-owner), it is indicated with a capital T:" |
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| 09:38.44 | cantido | mactimes: start-stop-daemon can handle changing the user for you |
| 09:39.00 | mactimes | g00se: Thank you. |
| 09:39.12 | mactimes | cantido: Hum. |
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| 09:39.19 | alsd | hi there |
| 09:39.42 | cantido | mactimes: I.e. you have /etc/init.d/someapp .. and you want someapp to run as someuser, start-stop-daemon can do that |
| 09:39.47 | enouf | ech0s7: and you want to say s/stay for/stands for/ |
| 09:40.05 | mactimes | cantido: I'll check that. Thank you! |
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| 09:40.23 | alsd | i'm wondering, is it possible to use standard debian-packaged gtk apps with the directfb-gtk backend, as is used in d-i ? i'm trying to get rid of X on my laptop, as the intel driver is poorly written for my old hardware |
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| 09:41.06 | cantido | alsd: Should just be a case of installing a copy of gtk that users directfb, I would have though anyhow |
| 09:41.11 | enouf | !links2 |
| 09:41.11 | dpkg | [links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359). http://links.twibright.com/ |
| 09:41.30 | localoca | are there any repositories where i can get newer linux kernel than 2.6.26? |
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| 09:41.53 | enouf | alsd: if you want a GUI (or text mode only) browser that works in Console and X |
| 09:42.07 | mactimes | g00se: cantido Is there a way of doing it without adding further packages to the basic installation? |
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| 09:42.31 | alsd | cantido: there is a libgtk-directfb-2.0-0 package in lenny, it's installed here, but i don't know if it's possible to use that one out-of-the-box with standard debian gtk packages |
| 09:42.50 | alsd | cantido: maybe a trick with LD_PRELOAD_<blah> ? i'm no ld expert |
| 09:42.53 | mactimes | cantido: Ops, sorry. Just checked and it's part of default install. |
| 09:42.59 | mactimes | cantido: Thank you. |
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| 09:43.26 | alsd | enouf: yes, already using that one, but something like midori would be great for clicky-clicky web2.0 sites |
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| 09:43.51 | enouf | heh .. in Console with no X? i don't think so |
| 09:44.24 | alsd | enouf: d-i is already able to run gtk-based apps on framebuffer. assuming there is no direct X call in the gtk app, it should work as well |
| 09:44.32 | enouf | what was that thing. .. tinyX or something? |
| 09:44.59 | alsd | enouf: yes, heard of that one already. thanks for the tip, taking a look |
| 09:45.07 | enouf | alsd: ok - well, then i don't know |
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| 09:47.08 | alsd | enouf: is there a channel where we can reach the debian-installer folks to ask them? they might know, as that's the reason why libgtk-directfb-2.0-0 is in debian main now |
| 09:47.44 | macrobat | localoca: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 09:48.06 | craigevil | localoca: backports has 2.6.30 |
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| 09:48.25 | Zvpun | where can I find metacity 1:2.24.0-2 ? |
| 09:48.28 | macrobat | even better, listen to craigevil |
| 09:48.38 | alsd | enouf: well, my biggest problem right now is that the kernel framebuffer driver for intel is buggy too... |
| 09:48.48 | alsd | 's on a long hard road |
| 09:48.57 | jelly | !tell Zvpun about sdn |
| 09:49.01 | enouf | alsd: debian-boot on irc.debian.org - perhaps an email to their list might be better |
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| 09:50.08 | localoca | can i use backports or kmuto even if use squeeze? |
| 09:50.58 | alsd | enouf: well, i'm going to RTFM a little first, maybe someone, somewhere, already has had the same idea |
| 09:51.07 | enouf | no, just update and install a newer kernel localoca |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | localoca: kernel is largerly divorced form the rest of the distro; it ought to be reasonably safe |
| 09:51.30 | enouf | although .. |
| 09:51.32 | jelly | but testing already has kernels newer than .26 |
| 09:51.36 | enouf | right |
| 09:51.43 | Zvpun | jelly: its not in there: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/metacity/ but http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/metacity.html says, the version did exist at some point in history. |
| 09:52.10 | craigevil | 2.6.26+17+lenny < squeeze |
| 09:52.13 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:52.13 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 |
| 09:52.29 | enouf | hrmph |
| 09:52.30 | alsd | enouf: thanks for the tinyX pointer anyway |
| 09:52.49 | enouf | np |
| 09:52.50 | craigevil | gotta love it when bpo has a newer kernel than testing |
| 09:53.06 | enouf | we need testers! |
| 09:53.17 | cantido | craigevil: you can always use the buildserver kernels.. |
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| 09:53.32 | enouf | or just install the Sid one |
| 09:53.47 | craigevil | cantido: i run sid 2.6.30 works just fine |
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| 09:53.59 | craigevil | sid kernel in testing should work just fine |
| 09:54.24 | cantido | Well, buildserver has 31rc? I think, if you want really new stuff |
| 09:54.24 | alsd | cantido: using 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 right now as it's required for kernel mode switching on my hardware, right now. doesnt quite work well (inteldrmfb that is) on my i830m GPU |
| 09:54.39 | alsd | craigevil: ^^ even |
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| 09:54.54 | cantido | i830 is old hardware though |
| 09:55.19 | alsd | cantido: please define old ;) |
| 09:55.28 | enouf | wasn't there a recent issue with DRM2? |
| 09:55.30 | jelly | alsd: X will almost always work better than fb |
| 09:55.33 | enouf | and X |
| 09:56.06 | enouf | and intel has/uses that GEM stuffs, no? |
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| 09:56.26 | alsd | jelly: lenny's xserver-xorg-video-intel is not working right here, on i830m: it's stealing 128MB of system RAM where all I have is 256MB |
| 09:56.44 | enouf | install more RAM! |
| 09:56.45 | cantido | alsd: you can set that in your xorg config |
| 09:56.45 | craigevil | enouf: big time, xaa crashes X, UXA runs slow, if you are lucky exa works some what, at least with the xserver-xorg-video-intel in sid |
| 09:56.46 | enouf | :-) |
| 09:56.54 | alsd | jelly: well, according to cantido, i830m is "old", but i don't care |
| 09:57.04 | enouf | craigevil: ahh - thanks |
| 09:57.11 | cantido | alsd: i830 is i815++ right? |
| 09:57.20 | alsd | enouf: tried that one already, but that crappy laptop is from Dell(R) |
| 09:57.44 | alsd | enouf: it's impossible to use anything else than Dell's $$$ expansion RAM modules |
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| 09:58.01 | jelly | alsd: a) remove glx/dri drivers b) option "VideoRam"? |
| 09:58.02 | enouf | really? that _is_ old then :-P |
| 09:58.03 | cantido | alsd: you can configure how much ram the driver can steal though,.. you could just lower it |
| 09:58.16 | alsd | jelly: option VideoRam is ignored in lenny's intel driver |
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| 09:58.21 | alsd | jelly: and later versions, AFAIK |
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| 09:58.25 | jelly | oh, lenny is too new |
| 09:58.32 | cantido | alsd: that sucks :/ |
| 09:58.36 | jelly | well, you're SOL then, install etch |
| 09:58.41 | enouf | haha |
| 09:58.58 | cantido | alsd: I'm sure there are other driver specific options though, for setting how much texture memory to allocate etc |
| 09:59.31 | enouf | alsd: asked in #intel-gfx ? (just a guess) |
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| 09:59.47 | alsd | jelly: glx drivers already are disabled in xorg.conf, but no luck : seems like the intel xorg driver steals the whole AGP aperture size, which can't be changed in the bios setup utility (it's a dell, mind you) |
| 10:00.00 | enouf | ugh ugh ugh |
| 10:00.05 | alsd | enouf: yes already, they told me to use kernel mode switching |
| 10:00.17 | alsd | enouf: only available in sid/experimental |
| 10:00.21 | cantido | thought the older intel chipsets were limited to stealing ~8MB |
| 10:00.24 | jony123 | can i mount a remote ftp server in my home folder? |
| 10:00.32 | enouf | i was going to mention .. wait .. gah, that's not 64bit CPU .. gah! |
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| 10:00.47 | alsd | cantido: dell sucks big time, yes |
| 10:01.16 | cantido | alsd: I had a 845MG in the past.. it couldn't use that much ram :/ |
| 10:01.25 | cantido | 845GM |
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| 10:01.32 | jelly | alsd: I see a Option "AperTexSize" "integer" in intel(4) |
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| 10:01.48 | alsd | cantido: it's even worse than that: with AGP disabled, the dell bios only allows for 872KB of video ram |
| 10:02.23 | enouf | alsd: dude - time for a new laptop .. give that one to some young pup ;-) |
| 10:03.01 | enouf | think about all the wifi and battery life and stuff that newer laptops have! |
| 10:03.11 | alsd | enouf: that's what i'm trying to do... but i'm not working right now (ask dpkg about "not working") |
| 10:03.21 | enouf | used to refer to them as craptops ;-) |
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| 10:03.31 | cantido | alsd: insure the old one.. and drop it. heh |
| 10:03.40 | enouf | haha |
| 10:04.19 | enouf | keeps getting phone spam about some Extended Warranty policy for my car/truck ... it's a 1991 O_o |
| 10:04.37 | enouf | (well, one is) |
| 10:05.14 | cantido | mmm got my macbook screen replace on the last day of it's warranty, didn't extend it, loads of dead pixels and stuff appeared day after the warranty on the new parts expired. |
| 10:05.19 | cantido | typical :/ |
| 10:05.45 | alsd | enouf: i know all that, my dream machine, affordable for a non-working guy, would be some nettop with MIPS64 dualcore (don't remember the model name though) |
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| 10:06.01 | cantido | alsd: China mips? |
| 10:06.10 | alsd | dreams of escaping intel |
| 10:06.13 | alsd | cantido: exactly |
| 10:06.57 | cantido | alsd: I'm looking at getting netbsd running on a china mips based handheld.. 40 quid ($100) for a 400Mhz mips with 4GB of flash :) |
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| 10:07.17 | alsd | cantido: "looking at" ? |
| 10:07.35 | rocketmaster | how to de-install a module installed with m-a ? it created symlinks, and i want to remove them, or maybe link to their old targets. |
| 10:07.49 | alsd | cantido: doesnt it work out of the box ? (remeber netbsd's motto : "of course it runs netbsd!") |
| 10:07.52 | cantido | alsd: haven't got the real hardware yet, have some progress using a version of qemu that emulates roughly the same hardware |
| 10:08.07 | rocketmaster | e.g. i installed fglrx properitary buggy buggy driver from ati, it really sucks and breaks system, so i want to get rid of it. |
| 10:08.21 | cantido | alsd: linux runs out of the box, but this handheld only has 32MB of ram, so it's not really that useful |
| 10:08.21 | mhymn | rocketmaster: you read the manpage? |
| 10:08.45 | cantido | rocketmaster: remove the package it created |
| 10:08.53 | alsd | cantido: what about emdebian? |
| 10:08.58 | rocketmaster | mhymn, no, i read m-a --help and there is no 'uninstall' onkly ourge and delete or so, which does not re-create and fix old symlinks before install |
| 10:09.23 | rocketmaster | just removing? does that remove the symlinks too created with m-a install? |
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| 10:09.29 | enouf | rocketmaster: m-a generates an installable --purge able .deb |
| 10:09.30 | cantido | alsd: emdebian should run, there's a port of linux 2.6.24.. so it should run on top of that |
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| 10:09.44 | rocketmaster | ok , thx. |
| 10:10.04 | nirupama | jelly, now I am able to do ssh to the machine |
| 10:10.14 | alsd | cantido: i'm thinking about using emdebian on my dell laptop, maybe i'll have better results ;) |
| 10:10.23 | rocketmaster | and everybody should know: DO NOT USE ATI DRIVERS! :P they slow down to 50fps hahahaha |
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| 10:10.51 | jelly | !penixstrike rocketmaster |
| 10:10.51 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rocketmaster to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:11.10 | cantido | rocketmaster: 50fps on what? glxgears? |
| 10:11.16 | condore_ | why we do not use ATi driver ? |
| 10:11.18 | alsd | slows down rocketmaster |
| 10:11.19 | rocketmaster | yes, on glxgears |
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| 10:11.48 | jelly | rocketmaster: and if you have a CRT monitor at 85Hz, they slow down to 85fps! |
| 10:11.57 | grays0ul | Sorry but... BSD > Linux... |
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| 10:12.02 | grays0ul | Kernel and license |
| 10:12.10 | alsd | rocketmaster: dude, you look like you're only at 25fps! |
| 10:12.10 | rocketmaster | and installation with m-a failed, module cannot be loaded, so the symlinks are now weird. before without any ati drivers i had 2000fps, now with mesa its 1000, with ati driver ~50 :)) |
| 10:12.13 | jelly | grays0ul: do you have a Debian question? |
| 10:12.16 | cantido | rocketmaster: glxgears is truely a great benchmark |
| 10:12.35 | cantido | grays0ul: There are BSD ports of Debian |
| 10:12.35 | rocketmaster | glxgears is not a benchmark, dudes, i know that! |
| 10:12.46 | craigevil | glxgears: Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be |
| 10:12.47 | craigevil | approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate 285 frames in 5.0 seconds = 56.989 FPS |
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| 10:13.02 | alsd | a little side question, is it possible to log the irssi backbuffer to some file ? |
| 10:13.12 | grays0ul | cantido: so...?, I said Kernel and License. |
| 10:13.15 | rocketmaster | yes, however, is it enough to say the desktop is slow slow slow? |
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| 10:13.26 | craigevil | works just fine, things like openarena, tuxracer, etc run perfect |
| 10:13.40 | grays0ul | BSD kernel is way more robust. BSD license is... well... not retarded |
| 10:13.40 | mosno | cuts off grays0ul's bar tab |
| 10:13.47 | rocketmaster | no chance on my fire gl |
| 10:14.15 | cantido | grays0ul: so, lot's of stuff in Debian is BSD licensed and Debian there are ports of Debian that run on BSD, so bothered. |
| 10:14.16 | jelly | grays0ul: this channel is for distro support. For generic bsd<->linux trolling, try ##Linux or #debian-offtopic. |
| 10:14.25 | mosno | jelly: haha |
| 10:14.27 | jelly | cantido: stop feeding the troll |
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| 10:16.09 | alsd | well, let's put it otherwise, is this channel logged somewhere? |
| 10:16.31 | jelly | !irclog |
| 10:16.31 | dpkg | irclog is, like, #debian is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/, or for freenode |
| 10:16.41 | alsd | jelly: thanks |
| 10:17.00 | grays0ul | cantido... kid... ports, packages, software, whatever you call it... they're irrelevant. The true hardcore part, which is the kernel and some of its native "ontop" apps, is where BSD has waaay more ground than half assed/daily release/server breaker prone/ Linux kernel |
| 10:17.03 | jelly | don't thank me yet, I think that factoid is too old |
| 10:17.06 | craigevil | alsd: /set autolog on then /set autolog_path ~/irclogs/$tag/$0.log |
| 10:17.41 | grays0ul | Don't realy c are about the software... any developer can write appx... kids can do it ffs |
| 10:18.29 | cantido | didn't know goats could type |
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| 10:19.08 | craigevil | alsd: channel logs http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
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| 10:19.31 | TiMiDo | !info alsaplayer sid |
| 10:19.46 | grays0ul | where is abrotman? |
| 10:19.54 | grays0ul | i'm gonna beat his ass |
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| 10:20.27 | jelly | TiMiDo: judd is usually faster |
| 10:20.36 | jelly | judd: versions alsaplayer |
| 10:20.37 | judd | jelly: alsaplayer -- |
| 10:20.39 | alsd | craigevil: yes, seen that, thanks. btw found the command: /lastlog -file <filename> will dump the irssi backbuffer to file |
| 10:20.51 | jelly | TiMiDo: see, it returned immediately :-) |
| 10:20.52 | alsd | gotta go, thanks guys for your help |
| 10:21.08 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 10:21.35 | jelly | judd: versions alsaplayer-text |
| 10:21.37 | judd | jelly: alsaplayer-text -- etch: 0.99.76-9+etch1 etch-security: 0.99.76-9+etch1 lenny: 0.99.80-3 sid: 0.99.80-3 squeeze: 0.99.80-3 |
| 10:21.51 | grays0ul | Even OpenFailaris pwns debian... |
| 10:21.54 | grays0ul | JESUS |
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| 10:23.12 | jelly | thinks this channel needs intelligent trolls, not complete idiots |
| 10:25.37 | craigevil | that is an oxymoron :) |
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| 10:26.59 | tobias_m | Hi everybody. |
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| 10:27.47 | tobias_m | Can I allow through sudo someone (a group actually) to chmod/chown only withing a directory ? |
| 10:28.07 | tobias_m | ... and subdirectories. |
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| 10:29.49 | Zambezi | Can anyone please give me a default mpd.conf? Cause I removed that file in hope it would read the one in /home and when I'm trying to restart the daemon it want the configfiles which is all gone. |
| 10:29.58 | Sashi | how can i reactivate a LVM? |
| 10:30.12 | g00se | tobias_m: you can place the actual full command(s) they need to run in sudoers |
| 10:30.28 | Sashi | lvscan inactive '/dev/home/home' [1.78 TB] inherit << how to make it active? |
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| 10:31.07 | jelly | tobias_m: you can limit arguments for a command with glob-like functions |
| 10:33.01 | rocketmaster | ok, i did a: m-a --force purge fglrx and then apt-get remove fglrx* , this uninstalled the properitary fglrx driver and all that i guess. But it has also removed the symlinks to e.g. libGL.so.1 etc. so, i guess re-installing the needed packages is ok, but what are their names? |
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| 10:34.10 | jelly | tobias_m: eg. CHAT_RESTARTERS ALL= /etc/init.d/inetchat, /etc/init.d/inetchat [a-z]* # this group can run the script without arguments, or with a single argument consisting solely of lowercase english letters |
| 10:35.29 | tobias_m | g00se: I can't use the full command, cause I don't know which directory or subdirectory they want to change or which user they want to use. |
| 10:35.37 | tobias_m | jelly: i'll look for this. |
| 10:35.53 | jelly | tobias_m: man sudoers has examples... somewhere in it |
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| 10:36.26 | tobias_m | jelly: thank you very much, i'll look again. |
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| 10:37.28 | rocketmaster | ok, fixed, re-installing libgl* stuff and mesalibs etc fixes symlinks and now X is fast again |
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| 10:39.39 | rocketmaster | one last question: i have a german keyboard on my laptop, but console is configured to use english keyboard. what package do i need to dpkg-reconfigure to change that? |
| 10:41.44 | rocketmaster | console-data, thx dpkg |
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| 10:42.06 | jelly | !keymap ... aw crap |
| 10:42.12 | jelly | !win rocketmaster |
| 10:42.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, rocketmaster! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 10:42.57 | enouf | Sashi: perhaps with vgscan -ay? but please read the related docs and man pages PRIOR! |
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| 10:47.57 | rocketmaster | ok, next 'problem'. i configured xserver-xorg to use framebuffer devices (say yes to the option). now X fails with starting because i didnt set pci device in xorg.conf. i have no oxorg.conf, and i didnt need that before. so, what may have changed here, and in what configfile? i swithced back to not use fb device, but still fails to start. yes, i could set up an xorg.conf file now, but that did not explain what have changed :) |
| 10:49.35 | enouf | rocketmaster: how did you "configured xserver-xorg to use framebuffer devices" if not through xorg.conf? |
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| 10:49.59 | rocketmaster | enouf, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:50.13 | enouf | rocketmaster: which doesn't do that on Lenny and upwards |
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| 10:50.27 | enouf | IINM |
| 10:50.30 | enouf | !drxx |
| 10:50.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 10:50.42 | rocketmaster | enouf, it asks me if i want fb device or not, sure. |
| 10:50.54 | rocketmaster | and it will not create an xorg.conf on my system |
| 10:50.57 | enouf | well, it shouldn't - heh |
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| 10:51.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf: wish drxx still worked correctly :/ |
| 10:51.23 | enouf | it should; see X -configure (as dpkg mentioned) |
| 10:51.42 | rocketmaster | enouf, ok, i could create an xorg.conf. but i dodnt have one before and it worked fine, so something different must have been changed here |
| 10:51.44 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: it does; just not the old way correctly ;-) |
| 10:51.49 | rocketmaster | and thats what i want to figure out |
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| 10:52.05 | enouf | rocketmaster: something to do with hal |
| 10:52.17 | enouf | !hal |
| 10:52.17 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 10:52.22 | enouf | see the last URL there |
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| 10:52.28 | rocketmaster | hal... ok :) thx, just needed a hint where to look for |
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| 10:53.08 | rocketmaster | enouf, thank you! |
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| 10:56.49 | ToM_de_ToM | Whats the command to remove a directory when it has files and directories contained? |
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| 10:57.03 | ToM_de_ToM | " Directory not empty" |
| 10:57.11 | takeiteasy | rm -rf /directory_nonèempty |
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| 10:57.48 | ToM_de_ToM | That done it! Awesome. Thank you :0 |
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| 10:58.36 | enouf | uses -rd a lot instead |
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| 11:07.57 | ChrisW1 | hey all, got a server that has a load average over 1, is feeling sluggish, but nothing is using CPU and there's no excessive memory usage |
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| 11:08.04 | ChrisW1 | what could be causing the high laod average? |
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| 11:08.28 | marcel` | how can i burn data so its readble format for windows? |
| 11:08.36 | Laurence | enouf: The man page doesn't seem to mention a '-d' flag (at least on bog-standard lenny). Does it exist in GNU userland? |
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| 11:13.45 | ChrisW | what coudl cause ls to hang in a particular folder? |
| 11:14.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | lots of files? |
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| 11:14.55 | ChrisW | hmm, not convinced |
| 11:15.04 | ChrisW | we;re talking 1-2 minutes |
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| 11:15.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | thts quite a while. i cant offer a definite reason, just suggestions. |
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| 11:16.18 | ravi | hi |
| 11:16.21 | ChrisW | how can I debug this? |
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| 11:16.38 | ravi | does anyone have any experience with cross compiling or specifcally with embebian |
| 11:17.13 | ChrisW | hmm, guess it just must have been a lot of files! |
| 11:17.13 | ravi | i've managed to get it to find the right libs using -L <path>, but those libraries are looking yet for other libraries |
| 11:17.34 | ravi | for e.g. i am compiling opencv ( a vision library) and it requries gtk |
| 11:17.43 | ravi | natively it works just with -lcv |
| 11:17.53 | ravi | but cross compiling it breaks |
| 11:18.06 | enouf | Laurence: hrmph... odd ... |
| 11:18.19 | enouf | Laurence: i don't see it in --help either :-/ |
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| 11:18.44 | enouf | Laurence: but i *know* i have seen it (in the past) and use it often |
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| 11:20.28 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: perhaps updatedb was running as he did his ls :-P |
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| 11:21.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.02 | enouf | great - ubuntuforums is 1st hit :-p |
| 11:22.38 | ravi | darn, maybe i need to find the emdebian room :( |
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| 11:22.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf: i didnt even notice the 'how to debug' question;\ |
| 11:23.02 | enouf | wtf is wrong with google? :-/ |
| 11:23.09 | enouf | heh |
| 11:24.54 | marcel` | is there a reason i should not install debian 64bit on my dekstop? |
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| 11:25.02 | marcel` | and do do have 64 bit cpu xd |
| 11:25.03 | tarzeau | marcel`: not really |
| 11:25.04 | enouf | Laurence: http://linux.die.net/man/1/rm ? |
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| 11:25.21 | marcel` | tarzeau: flashplugin-nonfree works for example? |
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| 11:25.38 | tarzeau | marcel`: it works for me, using the emulation of 32 bit stuff |
| 11:26.01 | enouf | whoa .. do NOT do man -k, or apropos rm, not even remove :-P |
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| 11:26.30 | amphi | marcel`: ISTR there is a 64-bit flash plugin, dunno if it's still alpha/beta |
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| 11:27.05 | tarzeau | ah right for flashplayer there's even a 64bit binary |
| 11:27.30 | enouf | heh, more; http://www.perpetualpc.net/srtd_rm.html |
| 11:27.41 | enouf | rm (coreutils) 5.2.1 October 2004 RM(1) |
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| 11:27.55 | Laurence | enouf: Interestingly it seems to work, despite being undocumented locally :) |
| 11:27.57 | enouf | guess it got ... er plucked ;-P |
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| 11:28.10 | enouf | indeed |
| 11:28.23 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.54 | enouf | google works better when one uses apropos keywords and phrasing :-p |
| 11:29.23 | Laurence | The documentation (or lack thereof) and function seem to be the same on my Gentoo box too. |
| 11:29.33 | enouf | !blame gnu |
| 11:29.34 | dpkg | blames Notorious and gnu for the end of the world as we know it |
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| 11:33.31 | enouf | whoa ... this gets even deeper; |
| 11:33.35 | enouf | "-d, --directory Remove directories with unlink(2) instead of rmdir(2) , and don't require a directory to be empty before trying to unlink it. Only works if you have appropriate privileges. Because unlinking a directory causes any files in the deleted directory to become unreferenced, it is wise to fsck(8) the filesystem after doing this." |
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| 11:34.11 | enouf | This page describes rm as found in the fileutils-4.0 package; other versions may differ slightly. Mail corrections and additions to aeb@cwi.nl. Report bugs in the program to fileutils-bugs@gnu.ai.mit.edu. |
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| 11:35.14 | enouf | haha @ deltree --> "The GNU implementation (in fileutils-3.16) is broken in the sense that there is an upper limit to the depth of hierarchies that can be removed. (If necessary, a utility `deltree' can be used to remove very deep trees.)" |
| 11:35.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf: thats pretty brutal |
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| 11:36.09 | enouf | is looking for dates and kernel versions (for the last three or so i posted) http://jamesthornton.com/linux/man/rm.1.html |
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| 11:39.16 | enouf | "Bugs; Infelicities in the protocol underlying NFS can cause the unexpected disappearance of files which are still being used." http://jamesthornton.com/linux/man/unlink.2.html (this must be old stuff) |
| 11:39.35 | cire | I am writing a scipt and want to write a message to the user via kde. Is there something like alert("text") in javascript for kde? |
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| 11:40.28 | JPT | javascript has nothing to do with kde or windows.. |
| 11:40.31 | amphi | 'infelicities' is a nice word |
| 11:40.31 | enouf | cire: look at wall and script commands? -- you mean like a Windows Messenger Service for KDE? try #kde or ##linux |
| 11:40.45 | enouf | amphi: indeed - i needed to post that one ;-) |
| 11:40.56 | amphi | ;) |
| 11:41.09 | cire | enouf: okay, I'll ask there |
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| 11:41.28 | komodo | cire: kdialog ? |
| 11:41.39 | enouf | cire: there's a #debian-kde on OFTC.net, but it's a dev channel, IINM |
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| 11:42.27 | jelly | !iinm |
| 11:42.28 | dpkg | [iinm] "If I'm Not Mistaken" |
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| 11:42.42 | cire | enouf: kdialog is what I was searching for. Thanks ;) |
| 11:43.24 | jelly | kde logout command could be called kthxbai |
| 11:43.32 | amphi | heh |
| 11:43.52 | enouf | hah |
| 11:44.08 | abrotman | there's a #debian-kde here also |
| 11:44.18 | komodo | cire: message was from me, but you are welcome :-) |
| 11:44.21 | enouf | abrotman: still? |
| 11:44.31 | abrotman | oh, maybe not |
| 11:44.32 | enouf | abrotman: i thought it got moved over yonder |
| 11:44.37 | cire | komodo: sorry, right ;) |
| 11:44.39 | abrotman | wishes they'd stop moving things around :) |
| 11:44.46 | abrotman | i'm old .. can't keep up |
| 11:44.59 | enouf | !musicalchairssmite abrotman |
| 11:45.13 | beardy | !geezersmite abrotman |
| 11:45.13 | dpkg | gets on his Rascal and rides down to the park to yell at abrotman |
| 11:45.38 | abrotman | mmm .. paul :( |
| 11:45.49 | enouf | the funny thing is; it was abrotman whom corrected me some time back (about the move) heh |
| 11:45.50 | jelly | or a libvirt GUI, KDE Kluster Kreator |
| 11:46.05 | abrotman | enouf: there were both at one time |
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| 11:46.49 | enouf | abrotman: yes, but i recall the time, when all the channel on freenode did was say "Hey - we're on oftc.net now" :-P |
| 11:46.53 | debayan | !dpkg sucks |
| 11:46.53 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 11:46.58 | abrotman | oh, yeah |
| 11:49.03 | enouf | abrotman: fwiw, there is a #kde here, which i just checked has 400+ users (if i understand ALIS correctly) |
| 11:49.16 | abrotman | i know there's a #kde here |
| 11:49.25 | enouf | ... |
| 11:49.32 | abrotman | AFAIK .. this is their main channel (#gnome is on irc.gnome.org) |
| 11:50.30 | beardy | Want to be special. |
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| 11:51.02 | abrotman | well, it's really irc.gimp.org .. which is where most of the gnome-ish stuff started IIRC |
| 11:51.47 | beardy | But there's #gimp-users IIRC, here, and #gimp too. |
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| 11:52.58 | abrotman | oh that's it .. i give up .. |
| 11:56.23 | liable | aww |
| 11:56.38 | abrotman | i think you meant "ewe" |
| 11:56.52 | liable | hah, at least your consistent |
| 11:57.16 | abrotman | doesn't bite |
| 11:57.18 | liable | waits for "you're" |
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| 12:00.26 | eshat | Hi all,.... how do I put a # before each line of my selected region in emacs? |
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| 12:01.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | eshat: shouldnt you be asking that of #emacs or #gnu? |
| 12:02.01 | mquin | eshat: M-x replace-regexp ^ # |
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| 12:05.41 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. When I boot my debian box, booting stops (i.e. hangs) shortly after "[ 13.625489] intel8x0_measure_ac7_clock: measured 52013 usecs". What gives? |
| 12:06.13 | neldoreth | hello, can someone tell me which repsitory i should add to sources.list (@ lenny) that provides me the php4 packages |
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| 12:06.41 | jonaskoelker | neldoreth: have you tried unstable, testing, stable, oldstable? |
| 12:06.58 | jonaskoelker | (I'm guessing the more stable, the more likely) |
| 12:07.08 | jelly | jonaskoelker: that line is related to loading the sound card driver and likely not relevant to the hang |
| 12:07.19 | neldoreth | jonaskoelker: ive just added unstable, but what ive read that php4 has been removed from lenny |
| 12:07.30 | jonaskoelker | neldoreth: hmm... try oldstable |
| 12:07.43 | jonaskoelker | jelly: yeah, that much I figured... how do I better get at the hang? |
| 12:07.51 | neldoreth | jonaskoelker: ok thanks, i will hit on that |
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| 12:08.56 | jelly | jonaskoelker: well. do you have "quiet" in your kernel boot parameters? you could start by booting without that parameter. |
| 12:09.15 | jelly | jonaskoelker: boot parameters are editable in grub |
| 12:09.46 | jonaskoelker | jelly: "quiet"? Never! ;-) |
| 12:10.13 | jonaskoelker | that is, no, I don't boot with quiet. |
| 12:10.42 | jelly | jonaskoelker: which debian release is this? |
| 12:10.43 | jonaskoelker | I'v just tried booting with init=/bin/sh --- this hangs after "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ..." and "Done." |
| 12:10.54 | jonaskoelker | I'd cat /etc/debian_release for you, but... eh ;-) |
| 12:11.08 | eshat | mquin: the solution was M-; |
| 12:11.12 | jelly | jonaskoelker: which kernel version, then? |
| 12:11.15 | eshat | quit |
| 12:11.17 | jonaskoelker | I think I'm mixing testing and unstable, fairly recent |
| 12:11.36 | jonaskoelker | 2.6.26-1 |
| 12:11.38 | jonaskoelker | and older |
| 12:11.56 | jonaskoelker | (25-2, 25-1, 24-1, 22-3, 21-2, 18-4, 18-3, 8-3) |
| 12:12.24 | jelly | 2.6.26-1- and something after it, like 686 or amd64, sounds like a kernel from lenny |
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| 12:12.42 | jonaskoelker | 26-1-1686 |
| 12:12.43 | jelly | jonaskoelker: so the kernels that used to work now don't work any more? |
| 12:12.52 | jonaskoelker | as I recall it |
| 12:12.59 | jonaskoelker | it's been a long while since I rebooted the box |
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| 12:13.33 | jelly | !debug initramfs |
| 12:13.41 | jelly | er |
| 12:13.45 | jelly | !initramfs debug |
| 12:13.46 | dpkg | well, initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 12:14.04 | jelly | jonaskoelker: depending on where the actual hang goes on, that may or may not help |
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| 12:14.20 | neldoreth | jonaskoelker: thanks - worked with oldstable! |
| 12:14.33 | jonaskoelker | I figured maybe I ran out of disk space and the kernel log daemon was choking or something like that... |
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| 12:16.14 | jelly | jonaskoelker: that shouldn't make the boot process completely stop |
| 12:16.34 | jonaskoelker | jelly: yeah, I figured that's why my guess prolly isn't the right one :) |
| 12:16.41 | jelly | jonaskoelker: when it seemingly hangs, do alt-sysrq key combos still work? |
| 12:16.45 | jelly | !sysrq |
| 12:16.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 12:17.20 | jonaskoelker | jelly: let me try; an interesting factoid: booting the Ubuntu 6.06 live CD also (apparently) hangs |
| 12:17.24 | mjt | !sysrqd |
| 12:17.24 | dpkg | sysrqd is probably a small daemon to send <sysrq> commands over the network, http://julien.danjou.info/sysrqd/ |
| 12:17.43 | jelly | jonaskoelker: alt-sysrq-s is fairly harmless; alt-sysrq-t shows running processes but dumps a lot of information and you might not be able to glean any useful info |
| 12:18.41 | mjt | that info usually goes to syslog which is greppable |
| 12:19.31 | jonaskoelker | jelly: yep, sysrq works |
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| 12:23.21 | jonaskoelker | hmmm.... |
| 12:24.00 | jonaskoelker | this is interesting: when I use the Secure Access Key (SysRq-k), killing rc, startpar, S11klogd and klogd, I get to a login prompt |
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| 12:28.25 | jonaskoelker | jelly: what does this tell you? |
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| 12:45.22 | jonaskoelker | jelly: when I login, then init 1, then init 2, init hangs at "Starting kernel log daemon...". What does that tell you? |
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| 12:46.36 | KurtKraut | I'm getting this when I attempt a apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: As assinaturas a seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido à chave pública não estar disponÃvel: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 12:46.42 | KurtKraut | How do I fix it? |
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| 12:50.29 | s4br3_ | I am trying to install a program that requires libpython2.5.so.1.0, but am having serious issues in installing it. What are the repositories to use? |
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| 12:52.00 | jelly | jonaskoelker: that's weird :-) |
| 12:52.10 | jonaskoelker | jelly: indeed... |
| 12:52.18 | jonaskoelker | jelly: maybe it's the kernel log daemon all along? |
| 12:52.31 | jelly | jonaskoelker: boot in single user, then try pastebinning dmesg output |
| 12:52.37 | vargadanis | the package should tell you what repos it needs... as well it is possible that you already have libpython2.5 it's just called something like .so.0.0 or something.. create a link to it |
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| 12:53.23 | jelly | jonaskoelker: (I mean, do your SAK thing, then pastebin dmesg to see if there's something obvious |
| 12:53.55 | vargadanis | s4br3_, I am not a debian machine atm but searching for libpython might just solve your issue: apt-cache search libpython |
| 12:54.02 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to assign more than one "windows name" to a Debian samba server? I want to replace an old windows share "\\server-old" by a Debian machine running samba that is already known as "\\samba". |
| 12:54.06 | jonaskoelker | jelly: it turns out that I have a bunch of initrd*.bak. Booting with them doesn't make a difference |
| 12:54.28 | vargadanis | s4br3_, repos usually define these kinda dependencies as required version min. 2.5 so if you install 2.6 or 3 you should be fine |
| 12:55.00 | jonaskoelker | jelly: also, none of the network interfaces go up when I SAK. Bringing up eth1 "manually" (i.e. ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient3 eth1) leaves dhclient3 repeating "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 78 interval $n" |
| 12:55.12 | jonaskoelker | until "No DHCPOFFERS received." |
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| 12:55.59 | jelly | jonaskoelker: that's expected, you killed the boot-up control process before it got the chance to start the network |
| 12:56.31 | jelly | jonaskoelker: try doing "ifup -a" or "/etc/init.d/networking start" instead |
| 12:56.35 | jonaskoelker | jelly: yeah, I figured. Manually giving 192.168.1.40 to eth1 (not used elsewhere on my network), then pinging my router ("ping 192.168.1.1") gets no icmp echo replies |
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| 12:57.08 | jonaskoelker | jelly: networking start: "Configuring network interfaces...ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/netwrk/run/ifstate: Read-only file system" |
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| 12:57.21 | fireba11 | ow |
| 12:57.25 | jonaskoelker | jelly: that one confuses me thoroughly, as the output of mount shows all fses mounted as rw |
| 12:57.37 | jelly | jonaskoelker: mount lies. cat /proc/mounts |
| 12:58.03 | jonaskoelker | jelly: indeed mount lies, "/dev/hda1 / ext3 ro,errors/continue,data/ordered 0 0" |
| 12:58.14 | jonaskoelker | jelly: that's the root fs line outa' /proc/mounts |
| 12:58.25 | jelly | (more correctly, mount reads its state, /etc/mtab, leftover from previous boot) |
| 12:58.39 | fireba11 | jonaskoelker: it might have got remounted ro due to errors |
| 12:58.47 | jonaskoelker | jelly: that sounds like a design error in mount... ? |
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| 12:59.02 | jelly | jonaskoelker: oh. First thing you'll want to do is likely "mount -o remount,rw /", if the kernel lets you |
| 12:59.20 | jonaskoelker | yep, that worked |
| 12:59.30 | jelly | jonaskoelker: no, it makes it work when there's no /proc yet |
| 12:59.51 | jonaskoelker | jelly: ah... |
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| 13:00.41 | s4br3_ | vargadanis, I have both libpython2.5 and libython3.1 installed. Still the error message: error while loading shared libraries: libpython2.5.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file |
| 13:00.59 | s4br3_ | vargadanis, I have both libpython2.6 and libython3.1 installed. Still the error message: error while loading shared libraries: libpython2.5.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file |
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| 13:01.43 | justin | !+find libpython2.5.so.1.0 |
| 13:01.45 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:02.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libpython2.5.so.1.0' (2): (/usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0) in python/python2.5 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0) in debug/python2.5-dbg. |
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| 13:04.29 | titosemi | hello! |
| 13:04.36 | titosemi | anyone awake? |
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| 13:04.47 | rudi_s | !tell titosemi about ask |
| 13:05.09 | titosemi | i´m experimenting a problem |
| 13:05.29 | titosemi | this is the second time that the same happened |
| 13:05.34 | Qew | KurtKraut: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 13:05.50 | jonaskoelker | jelly: when I say "ifup eth1" I get "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready" |
| 13:05.53 | titosemi | my / is full athough it shouldnt |
| 13:06.08 | TiMiDo | ~info leafnode sid |
| 13:06.23 | jelly | jonaskoelker: yeah, it should become ready after a few seconds |
| 13:06.33 | titosemi | df tells that is full and du that only 128Mb are used! |
| 13:06.43 | titosemi | any idea what could be happening? |
| 13:06.56 | titosemi | where to start... |
| 13:06.58 | jonaskoelker | jelly: I still get the same message 70 seconds later |
| 13:07.21 | s4br3_ | justin, hmmm. it installed fine. Still, same error |
| 13:07.22 | jelly | jonaskoelker: are the lights blinking, is the cable connected? :-) |
| 13:07.57 | justin | s4br3_: sounds like this program you are trying to install is broken |
| 13:08.11 | s4br3_ | I also tried ln -s /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0 /usr/lib/libython2.5.so.1.0 first |
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| 13:08.26 | jonaskoelker | *facepalm* |
| 13:08.30 | jonaskoelker | yes the cable is connected. |
| 13:08.35 | jonaskoelker | to the wrong computer, though :( |
| 13:08.42 | s4br3_ | maybe a rebooot? |
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| 13:09.07 | justin | s4br3_: this isn't windows |
| 13:09.39 | s4br3_ | justin, I know ... ;) |
| 13:09.46 | justin | s4br3_: so what other random commands have you ran to try to fix this problem? |
| 13:10.39 | jelly | s4br3_: which program is this? Do the authors support running it on Debian? |
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| 13:10.55 | s4br3_ | It is called makehuman |
| 13:11.34 | jelly | doesn't need a program for that, just a willing partner of appropriate gender |
| 13:11.36 | s4br3_ | http://mh.jwp.se/ |
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| 13:11.55 | s4br3_ | using the descriptions here http://mh.jwp.se/resources.php |
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| 13:16.44 | jonaskoelker | jelly: pastebin.ca/1493540 |
| 13:16.51 | jonaskoelker | jelly: "dmesg from jonaskoelker" |
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| 13:20.14 | s4br3_ | Aaah, it said the U-word... sorry. |
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| 13:24.21 | jelly | jonaskoelker: you SAKed it earlier this time; could be it's doing its job just really really slow? |
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| 13:25.28 | jonaskoelker | jelly: could be... how come you say I SAKed earlier---I don't think I did... |
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| 13:25.51 | jonaskoelker | jelly: anyways, I'll reboot it now, then go buy some groceries (desperately need breakfast), then come back and see... |
| 13:26.00 | jelly | jonaskoelker: the pastebin says you killed it as S05keymap.sh now |
| 13:26.10 | jelly | s/as/at/ |
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| 13:27.29 | jonaskoelker | jelly: oh yeah... previously I killed it at S11 |
| 13:28.47 | jelly | jonaskoelker: so it might be merely really slow |
| 13:28.49 | jelly | ;-) |
| 13:28.57 | jonaskoelker | true |
| 13:29.03 | jonaskoelker | but then how do I fix that? |
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| 13:29.26 | jonaskoelker | I'm starting to suspect startpar (or was it parstart?), the thing that runs /etc/init.d/* in parallel |
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| 13:29.41 | jonaskoelker | but that's mostly on a whim |
| 13:29.59 | Pnux | Hey, anybody familiar with rsync? I need to restore PATHY file priviledges from PATHX, and i was told that rsync would do the job. Just to make sure, do you think this wil do what i need? 'rsync -p --ignore-existing --existing PATHX:PATHY' |
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| 13:31.03 | fireba11 | Pnux: files are identical? |
| 13:31.29 | Pnux | fireba11: not the files, but the file tree yes |
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| 13:31.59 | jelly | jonaskoelker: now, you wouldn't be so naive to blindly replace sysvinit with something else? |
| 13:32.05 | fireba11 | Pnux: i suggest a testrun on a copy .. sounds like you'd easily accidently sync all the files too |
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| 13:34.40 | Pnux | fireba11: taken from rsync man page: --existing [..]If this option is combined with the --ignore-existing option, no files will be updated (which can be useful if all you want to do is delete extraneous files). |
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| 13:35.13 | fireba11 | Pnux: i doubt it will touch the files at all then .. but feel free to try |
| 13:35.18 | Pnux | --existing is the same as --ignore-non-existing |
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| 13:35.38 | Pnux | fireba11: ill try running a dry run, was just making sure |
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| 13:37.33 | Pnux | fireba11: thanks for the help :] |
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| 13:45.59 | pirx | hi! has anyone used linux-ha (high availability)? looking for a good tutorial/howto... |
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| 13:46.55 | pappanz | hello. stupid question: how do I set stable boot options in menu.lst so that at every update-grub they persist? (like vga=791) |
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| 13:47.24 | justin | pappanz: read the top of the current menu.lst |
| 13:47.25 | ranix | pappanz: read the comments in menu.lst? |
| 13:47.47 | ranix | there's a big line that says "hey you, put your static boot options on this line" |
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| 13:48.42 | pappanz | is it the kopt line? |
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| 13:49.12 | pappanz | I am not sure I have correctly understood the menu.lst comments |
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| 13:52.15 | pappanz_ | I mean, I don't want to add an entire static boot entry (in that case I would put it out of the automagic kernel list), I only want that all the kernels boot always with vga=791 option |
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| 13:55.01 | boonyo | anyone here use a telstra 3g wireless modem? |
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| 13:56.57 | Qew | pappanz_: you want to add it to defoption (don't remove the # symbol... it's not a comment in that section) |
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| 13:57.04 | jonaskoelker | jelly: one would think not? ;-) |
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| 13:57.16 | jonaskoelker | jelly: if I did, it was on the suggestion of apt-get... |
| 13:57.34 | Qew | pappanz_: # defoptions=vga=791 |
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| 13:57.55 | pappanz_ | Qew, but I don't want that only the default boot entry would boot with vga=791, I want all kernels to do that |
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| 13:58.08 | Qew | they will |
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| 13:58.42 | Qew | you misunderstand what that option does. It'll change any kernel line that's not single user (best leave that as it is) |
| 13:58.46 | pappanz_ | Qew, ok then I'll try, thanks. |
| 13:58.48 | jonaskoelker | jelly: in any case, about half an hour has passed since I rebooted, and my box is still stuck at "intel8x0: clocking to 48000" and "Done." |
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| 13:59.14 | jonaskoelker | jelly: SAKed at S05keymap.sh agian... |
| 13:59.17 | jair | hello guys, I am not that good on bash and scripting just yet, but I am monitoring how many people is connecting to an apache server version 2 running on debian lenny, and the only way I have so far is using the command to check the logs: /var/log/apache2# tail -f access.log I can see the different ip addresses but how can I use awk or wc to count the total of uniques ips or users connecting to the apache2 |
| 13:59.18 | Qew | pappanz_: if you want all, then use kopt, but I think single user should be kept as is |
| 13:59.22 | jelly | jonaskoelker: does it continue if you bang the keyboard a bit? |
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| 13:59.40 | pappanz_ | maybe the comments are not too clear for a foreigner newbie |
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| 13:59.41 | jonaskoelker | too late to test now, but it didn't before |
| 13:59.49 | Qew | pappanz_: heh |
| 13:59.50 | jelly | jonaskoelker: basically just type garbage for some time and see if it goes further |
| 14:00.05 | g00se | jonaskoelker: Tried booting with a live disk to see if hardware problem? |
| 14:00.07 | jelly | jonaskoelker: that would imply interrupt issues |
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| 14:00.38 | jonaskoelker | g00se: yes... the live CD took an awful long time to boot (> my patience) as well |
| 14:00.47 | Qew | pappanz_: try it and run update-grub, then look at what it did in menu.lst |
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| 14:00.57 | giles_ | heya all |
| 14:00.57 | g00se | jonaskoelker: But it didn't hang? |
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| 14:01.14 | jonaskoelker | g00se: well, I rebooted before it got anywhere |
| 14:01.14 | linduxed1 | if ive got 240Gb of space and want to do a clean install on it. i intended going for two partitions, /home and /. The questions are: |
| 14:01.15 | linduxed1 | Should i go for more partitions? how big does / need to be? |
| 14:01.25 | giles_ | i'm wondering what I have to do with reprepro to get it to keep multiple versions of a package |
| 14:01.28 | jonaskoelker | g00se: or rather... not "got anywhere" but "started X" |
| 14:01.33 | jonaskoelker | that's more precise |
| 14:01.40 | giles_ | at the moment includedeb removes older versions |
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| 14:02.22 | jonaskoelker | jelly, g00se: ain't this interesting: when I boot, at S05keymap.sh, I type a bunch of stuff, then hit ^C, then boot continues |
| 14:02.31 | pappanz_ | Qew, yeah it adds vga=791 to every entry! |
| 14:02.36 | pappanz_ | Qew, thanks |
| 14:02.38 | Qew | np |
| 14:02.49 | jelly | jonaskoelker: just a ^C isn't enough? |
| 14:02.51 | pappanz_ | bye then! |
| 14:03.20 | jonaskoelker | jelly: just what I'm asking myself. I'm letting it boot up just to check that everything is normal, but I'll reboot and check |
| 14:03.36 | g00se | jonaskoelker: Try another keyboard? |
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| 14:03.50 | jonaskoelker | g00se: ain't got one |
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| 14:06.57 | jonaskoelker | jelly: yeah, straight-up ^C works fine too |
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| 14:07.42 | jelly | jonaskoelker: dpkg-reconfigure console-data, leave "kernel map" or whatever the least intrusive option? |
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| 14:08.40 | jelly | "Keep kernel keymap" |
| 14:09.21 | jonaskoelker | jelly: maybe I should look in S05keymap.sh? |
| 14:09.29 | jonaskoelker | jelly: ... to see what's the least intrusive? |
| 14:09.58 | jelly | maybe... |
| 14:10.20 | jelly | I'd put a set -x in it, see what exactly makes it stall |
| 14:10.51 | jelly | but put sysvinit back first |
| 14:10.58 | jelly | just for kicks |
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| 14:11.38 | Wesley | Is there any easy way to make two servers identical package wise? |
| 14:11.54 | Wesley | or just dpkg -l'ing and make something around it myself? |
| 14:12.03 | jonaskoelker | Wesley: yes, although I'm not quite sure what it is... |
| 14:12.05 | jelly | !tell Wesley about aptitude clone |
| 14:12.10 | jonaskoelker | dpkg --get-selections maybe? |
| 14:12.12 | dpkg | no idea, jonaskoelker |
| 14:12.18 | Wesley | aptitude clone. I like it already |
| 14:12.20 | jelly | !tell Wesley about debian clone |
| 14:12.32 | jelly | that's the older style one |
| 14:12.46 | jonaskoelker | !tell jonaskoelker about debian clone |
| 14:12.52 | jonaskoelker | !tell jonaskoelker about aptitude clone |
| 14:12.54 | jelly | !tell jonaskoelker about selftell |
| 14:12.58 | Wesley | lol |
| 14:13.04 | Wesley | thx! ill go read some :) |
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| 14:13.15 | jonaskoelker | jelly: roger |
| 14:13.35 | jonaskoelker | monkey see, monkey do :) |
| 14:13.47 | jelly | *nod* |
| 14:14.09 | jonaskoelker | btw, sysvinit was already installed |
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| 14:14.28 | jelly | dunno, get rid of startpar then? |
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| 14:15.14 | jelly | oh, it seems to be part of sysvinit |
| 14:16.34 | jelly | doesn't know how to disable (or enable) that thing |
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| 14:18.13 | jonaskoelker | jelly: vi /etc/init.d/rc, CONCURRENCY=none |
| 14:18.18 | jonaskoelker | but that's already the case on my box |
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| 14:20.27 | jonaskoelker | hangs at unicode_start |
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| 14:20.55 | jelly | jonaskoelker: congrats, you found a bug~ |
| 14:21.04 | jonaskoelker | jelly: yay! What do I win? ;-) |
| 14:21.09 | jelly | !win jonaskoelker |
| 14:21.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, jonaskoelker! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:21.13 | linduxed1 | is swap necessary when youve got 4 gigs of ram? |
| 14:21.29 | jelly | linduxed1: depends on the workload |
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| 14:21.43 | linduxed1 | jelly: plz elaborate? |
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| 14:22.12 | jelly | linduxed1: if you're going to run leaky apps, some swap might be helpful |
| 14:22.22 | linduxed1 | jelly: i see... |
| 14:22.34 | linduxed1 | jelly: i also have no intention to use hibernation |
| 14:23.01 | linduxed1 | i think ill settle for 1 GB |
| 14:23.23 | jelly | sounds reasonable |
| 14:23.44 | jonaskoelker | linduxed1: if you're pondering partitioning, I can recommend using a swap file instead of a swap partition |
| 14:24.00 | jonaskoelker | linduxed1: it's probably slightly slower, but more flexible |
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| 14:28.16 | linduxed1 | jonaskoelker: hmmm, i dont fancy that all that much |
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| 14:28.31 | linduxed1 | besides i think ill solve this all by just going with LVM |
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| 14:29.06 | jonaskoelker | suit yourself :) |
| 14:29.09 | pdvyas | is it possible to use ubuntu debs in debian? |
| 14:29.30 | Zharf | why would you |
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| 14:30.09 | jonaskoelker | Zharf: because ubuntu packages things debian doesn't package? ... |
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| 14:30.36 | Zharf | like what |
| 14:30.56 | ranix | jonaskoelker: you have been misinformed |
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| 14:31.18 | limon | which packet gave me MySQL reentrant client library? |
| 14:31.38 | ranix | pdvyas: it is possible. It's not adviced. You will probably slaughter your system |
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| 14:32.24 | pdvyas | <Zharf>: Like i heard that the latest gnome was not available for debian for days. that is why bit afraid to make the switch frm ubuntu to its dad, debian |
| 14:32.52 | pdvyas | ranix: thanks, will avoid it |
| 14:32.52 | ranix | that should rather make you concerned that Ubuntu is releasing its packages too soon |
| 14:33.15 | ranix | Ubuntu package maintenance is sloppy |
| 14:33.17 | pdvyas | ranix: yeah :) |
| 14:33.23 | ranix | !policy |
| 14:33.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 14:33.29 | OSCArr | Hey guys. I'm a total beginner in Debian (but you got to start somewhere!), and I'm trying to get mIRC to run under wine, but as I'm using my other PC as a server (hereby called server), I installed a clean debian installation (no GUI / desktop / X (I think?!)), now, when I try to run WINE I get errors about not being able to create the windows. |
| 14:34.09 | ranix | OSCArr: your problems are probably from doing it wrong. I suggest opening a terminal window and using irssi |
| 14:34.13 | cahoot | running a linux irc client isn't an option? |
| 14:34.26 | pdvyas | so, guys how bumpy would the ride from ubuntu to debian be? |
| 14:34.30 | mjt | irssi or ekg |
| 14:34.31 | OSCArr | I need to run mIRC under wine, I've done it before but then I had gnome installed |
| 14:34.39 | beardy | No you don't. |
| 14:34.40 | KavanS | xchat? |
| 14:35.09 | tdn | I have just installed Debian Lenny on a fit-PC. Now the sound does not work correctly. Sound is only coming from one speaker. I had Ubuntu (7.10) installed before, and the sound worked fine. Stereo through both speakers. I have checked cables and speakers. How do I make the sound work? |
| 14:35.12 | mjt | but really, running irc client in wine isn't the best way... :) |
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| 14:35.26 | OSCArr | mjt :: I know, but that's the way I need to go. |
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| 14:36.10 | mjt | so you need some X stuff at least |
| 14:36.26 | mjt | try icewm for example. |
| 14:36.27 | g00se | tdn: how many fit-PCs do you have? |
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| 14:36.36 | OSCArr | I tried to install, but I guess I did it the wrong way, do you know a good homepage with a flawless tutorial? |
| 14:36.59 | cahoot | flawless? |
| 14:37.13 | OSCArr | Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded. |
| 14:37.13 | OSCArr | Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. |
| 14:37.19 | OSCArr | is the errors I'm getting |
| 14:37.26 | h3xis | do you have X installed? |
| 14:37.29 | luklew | debian better than ubuntu ? |
| 14:37.30 | jelly | !tutorials |
| 14:37.30 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 14:37.44 | OSCArr | h3xis how can I detect if I have? |
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| 14:38.10 | jelly | OSCArr: a package named xserver-xorg would be installed. |
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| 14:38.20 | h3xis | OSCArr: what happens when you do Xorg -help |
| 14:38.22 | Zmanu__ | hello |
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| 14:38.39 | h3xis | OSCArr: er, Xorg -version |
| 14:38.40 | OSCArr | h3xis that's working |
| 14:38.41 | luklew | to many people :> |
| 14:38.48 | luklew | too* |
| 14:38.53 | OSCArr | X.Org X Server 1.4.2 |
| 14:38.59 | OSCArr | jelly :: it is |
| 14:39.05 | Zmanu__ | i have a problem, i try to add a pribnter to my system, but i use sudo, and i can't valid add of the printer, so i want to remove sudo, what is the clean way to do that ? |
| 14:39.34 | h3xis | OSCArr: during the debian installation did you tell it to install a desktop environment? |
| 14:39.39 | OSCArr | No. |
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| 14:39.48 | h3xis | you should do that next time |
| 14:39.51 | OSCArr | I'm using it as a server thus I didn't want it to do that |
| 14:39.57 | h3xis | wait |
| 14:40.06 | h3xis | you want to run mirc through wine on a server without X? |
| 14:40.14 | OSCArr | No, I don't. |
| 14:40.34 | OSCArr | I'm trying to install X (and all the other necessary packages) to be able to run mIRC through wine |
| 14:40.43 | ranix | OSCArr: you're doing it wrong |
| 14:40.47 | tasty | Hello |
| 14:40.48 | OSCArr | ... i know |
| 14:40.50 | ranix | OSCArr: apt-get install irssi |
| 14:40.55 | h3xis | irssi <3 |
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| 14:40.58 | OSCArr | I don't want irssi, I want mIRC. |
| 14:41.01 | ranix | too bad |
| 14:41.02 | OSCArr | irssi is great but I need mIRC for this |
| 14:41.10 | Qew | need? |
| 14:41.22 | ranix | apt-get install bitchx |
| 14:41.33 | Zmanu__ | aptitude install xchat |
| 14:41.43 | poisonbit | OSCArr, define "for this" |
| 14:41.44 | justin | lol, he is probably trying to run some stupid warez bot |
| 14:41.45 | Zmanu__ | but irssi is better |
| 14:41.51 | jelly | OSCArr: is that machine going to be used to display the wine processes, or just run them? |
| 14:41.54 | ranix | I used to use xchat in windows |
| 14:42.05 | OSCArr | jelly display |
| 14:42.08 | slk | i am having problem with sshd trying to open terminal |
| 14:42.12 | Platonov | what is the exact reason you need mIRC, OSCArr? |
| 14:42.23 | tasty | ok |
| 14:42.23 | jelly | OSCArr: all right then |
| 14:42.23 | mjt | slk: sshd does not open terminals |
| 14:42.30 | OSCArr | Running a few mirc scripts, and I don't know TCL for eggdrops |
| 14:42.49 | ranix | you need x11-common on the machine to run the ssh -X session from, btw |
| 14:42.50 | Platonov | I guess you'd still be better off with irssi. |
| 14:42.52 | slk | it tries to assign a pts to the user thats trying to ssh |
| 14:42.54 | OSCArr | neither do I have the time to learn TCL right now as I'm full with developing php apps atm |
| 14:42.58 | slk | this is what i get in its debug: |
| 14:42.59 | slk | /dev/pts/15: Permission denied |
| 14:42.59 | slk | open /dev/tty failed - could not set controlling tty: Permission denied |
| 14:43.19 | mjt | slk: sudo chmod 0666 /dev/tty |
| 14:43.21 | slk | i checked permissions and they look fine.. it was working fine when it booted |
| 14:43.43 | slk | its already 0666 |
| 14:43.54 | mjt | err |
| 14:43.57 | OSCArr | anyway, I'm installing gnome right now |
| 14:44.01 | mjt | it's a symlink.. i never noticed that |
| 14:44.12 | ranix | gnome isn't going to help you run mirc |
| 14:44.17 | slk | tty is? |
| 14:44.24 | mjt | slk: n/m |
| 14:44.38 | h3xis | what's the point in running debian then if you need mirc |
| 14:44.40 | tdn | g00se, it is, of course, the same. But I really cannot get it to work. |
| 14:44.54 | slk | i think it tries pts first and then tty since pts failed |
| 14:44.55 | OSCArr | h3xis because I enjoy learning more about debian |
| 14:44.56 | lazynes | OSCArr: irssi, bX |
| 14:45.07 | OSCArr | lazynes no, I can't since I have mirc scripts I need to run |
| 14:45.12 | Platonov | need |
| 14:45.13 | Platonov | again |
| 14:45.28 | Platonov | funny how Khaled Mardam Bey has the whole world under his thumb. |
| 14:45.30 | wintix | OSCArr: well then run them on a windows host and go away or read the wine manual. |
| 14:45.38 | mjt | slk: nope. it tries to grant pty, fails but continues, and next tty does not work because pty perms are incorrect |
| 14:45.49 | tdn | g00se, I'm pretty sure now, that it is not a kernel problem. That I just need the right settings in alsamixer. I have tried asking in #alsa, but it is extremely low traffic and I have got no reply for days. |
| 14:45.55 | jelly | wintix: "go away"? |
| 14:45.56 | mjt | slk: but i wonder how it happened |
| 14:46.15 | ranix | jelly: he's trolling |
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| 14:46.21 | ranix | wintix is, I mean |
| 14:46.30 | slk | i opened my 10 screens as root |
| 14:46.31 | OSCArr | funny how you guys (except for a few, thanks jelly, and other who I've forgot) are quite maniac about people prefering programs developed for windows instead of linux |
| 14:46.43 | jelly | ranix: oh, that might be true |
| 14:46.46 | slk | i suspect if its trying to re-use pts's that were used before by root |
| 14:46.50 | ranix | OSCArr: nah it's just that your problem is annoying, so it brings out the trolls |
| 14:46.53 | OSCArr | no, I'm not trolling |
| 14:47.00 | OSCArr | Yeah, I guess |
| 14:47.06 | slk | i see what happens with 666 /dev/pts dir |
| 14:47.10 | OSCArr | and it doesn't help that I'm a complete beginner in linux |
| 14:47.13 | ranix | OSCArr: what you want to do is install X |
| 14:47.16 | ranix | OSCArr: then install Wine |
| 14:47.24 | wintix | jelly: well, obviously we won't support windows. :) and no, i'm not trolling, i'm just annoyed, as you said. |
| 14:47.26 | ranix | OSCArr: then run the mIRC installer under Wine |
| 14:47.31 | wintix | err. as ranix said. |
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| 14:47.35 | ranix | OSCArr: then run Mirc itself under Wine |
| 14:47.36 | slk | same problem hmm |
| 14:47.42 | OSCArr | that's what I'm trying, ranix |
| 14:47.48 | jelly | wintix: noone is trying to ask for help with windows. |
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| 14:47.50 | ranix | OSCArr: great, then you've got a handle on it |
| 14:47.59 | slk | what was this other one called |
| 14:48.03 | slk | virtuabox ? |
| 14:48.15 | slk | opensource like vmware or something |
| 14:48.25 | wintix | slk: virtualbox. and yes, that might be an option for OSCArr. |
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| 14:48.31 | OSCArr | apparently I already have X, so I guess I'll have to re-install wine? |
| 14:48.36 | mjt | slk: /dev/pts should be 0755 |
| 14:48.37 | OSCArr | I installed X after wine |
| 14:48.43 | ranix | OSCArr: why would you reinstall anything |
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| 14:48.53 | ranix | OSCArr: do you have X and Wine installed? |
| 14:48.54 | Platonov | just look for the mIRC.exe now |
| 14:48.56 | OSCArr | Yes. |
| 14:49.03 | ranix | OSCArr: are you running X right now? |
| 14:49.07 | OSCArr | Yes. |
| 14:49.13 | ranix | OSCArr: do you have a terminal window open |
| 14:49.15 | slk | yes i meant 77 actually mjt |
| 14:49.17 | slk | 777* |
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| 14:49.44 | OSCArr | yes, ranix |
| 14:49.45 | slk | as if it tries to access the pts after it changes uid on the sshd fork |
| 14:49.48 | OSCArr | I'm sshing to my server |
| 14:49.54 | justin | slk: when did this problem start? |
| 14:49.55 | OSCArr | Using bitvise xterm |
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| 14:50.08 | ranix | OSCArr: do you know how to run remote X applications using ssh -X ? |
| 14:50.13 | justin | OSCArr: you want to install something like VNC to run mirc in |
| 14:50.14 | slk | 4-5 days after a fresh install |
| 14:50.19 | ranix | justin: not helping |
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| 14:50.21 | OSCArr | ranix I don't |
| 14:50.27 | ranix | OSCArr: ok, this is your problem |
| 14:50.29 | OSCArr | justin indeed, I probably do |
| 14:50.49 | ranix | OSCArr: you want to learn about ssh -X and remote x11 forwarding before you try to do convoluted things with it |
| 14:50.57 | justin | ranix: he doesnt want X11 forwarding |
| 14:51.05 | OSCArr | By the way, thanks guys, a few days ago I tried asking for help on another network but got flamed and was told to rm -rf /* and never touch debian again... which is quite true but you got to start somewhere |
| 14:51.19 | justin | if he wants to run mirc on the 'server' having it depend on the client to be running isn't such a good idea |
| 14:51.25 | ranix | justin: he's trying to run an X application from an ssh window, how can he not want x11 forwarding |
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| 14:52.37 | OSCArr | hmm |
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| 14:54.06 | ranix | wait is he trying to run it on the server as if it were daemonized? |
| 14:54.24 | giles_ | anyone here using reprepro? |
| 14:55.15 | OSCArr | ranix, probably |
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| 14:55.36 | OSCArr | Should I use vncserver instead? |
| 14:55.57 | slk | justin: during these days my friend did aptitude update / aptitude upgrade |
| 14:56.08 | slk | and it happened after that at some point |
| 14:56.16 | justin | slk: are you running sid? |
| 14:56.39 | slk | oh im not sure |
| 14:56.45 | slk | its 5.0.2 |
| 14:57.14 | slk | does that make it lenny |
| 14:57.24 | justin | yes |
| 14:57.26 | slk | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 14:57.29 | slk | aye |
| 14:57.44 | OSCArr | Should I use vncserver instead? |
| 14:57.52 | slk | why |
| 14:58.05 | ranix | I'm bowing out, you're doing something obnoxious |
| 14:58.34 | OSCArr | ranix i agree |
| 14:59.02 | slk | i'd suggest to rm -rf / and never touch debian again... |
| 14:59.21 | slk | j/k :D |
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| 15:00.23 | OSCArr | slk :) Well, I have to agree that I should rm -rf / |
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| 15:01.07 | ranix | does that even work |
| 15:01.26 | OSCArr | I can try if you want |
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| 15:01.30 | slk | years ago i told someone to do it |
| 15:01.34 | slk | in some help channel |
| 15:01.34 | beardy | An idiot would say "Try it." |
| 15:01.37 | slk | they came back very angry |
| 15:01.40 | OSCArr | Hahaha |
| 15:01.43 | slk | i guess it does work |
| 15:01.45 | ranix | I think it would fail halfway through and just wind up breaking things |
| 15:01.46 | itrebal | I installed clamav from the standard repositories, but I just added the volatile repository, hwoever when I upgrade it tells methey are being held back. Do I have to reinstall them? Or is there a way aroud it |
| 15:01.49 | echosystm | my laptops brightness shortcuts don't work and my screen is near unreadable |
| 15:01.51 | OSCArr | ranix I think it will |
| 15:01.52 | ranix | not actually unlinking everything |
| 15:01.52 | OSCArr | :P |
| 15:01.58 | echosystm | anyone know how i can fix this? |
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| 15:02.09 | h3xis | it doesnt fail |
| 15:02.18 | echosystm | its weird... the bios is full brightness but as soon as linux runs, the screen dims |
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| 15:02.23 | ranix | I just don't know why they don't say dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
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| 15:02.46 | ranix | I guess not everyone has an hd/sd a |
| 15:02.54 | slk | he :D |
| 15:02.59 | ranix | but there must be a better way of nuking |
| 15:03.18 | g00se | A sledgehammer is more fun |
| 15:03.38 | slk | dd even comes in sledgehammers now? daemn |
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| 15:10.32 | OSCArr | anyway |
| 15:10.36 | OSCArr | I'm rm -rf /* now |
| 15:10.38 | OSCArr | see you guys |
| 15:10.55 | slk | dont give up |
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| 15:16.12 | abrotman | OSCArr: please don't do that |
| 15:16.46 | OSCArr | guys... |
| 15:16.49 | OSCArr | I decided to remove gnome |
| 15:16.53 | OSCArr | so I did apt-get remove gnome |
| 15:16.57 | OSCArr | then it wanted me to apt-get autoremove |
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| 15:17.03 | OSCArr | then it said Stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager and the network died. |
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| 15:20.40 | asdzxc | hi |
| 15:20.50 | slayton | is there any way to create or document or to delineate the dependency hierarchy of a series of packages? |
| 15:20.54 | PepperBob | OSCArr: hehe... same happened on my testbox after a removed x11 entirely |
| 15:20.58 | asdzxc | is it somehow possible to assign range of IPs to the network interface ? |
| 15:21.11 | OSCArr | PepperBob: What can I do now? |
| 15:21.16 | asdzxc | for example, when i need to assign 1000 IPs |
| 15:21.22 | OSCArr | Go down to the server and re-install debian there? |
| 15:21.31 | poncha|work | i'm trying to set up drbd, but failing on a filesystem creation :/ heres what i am doing: http://pastebin.com/d7a23aa44 |
| 15:21.34 | OSCArr | Nevermind, I restarted it and it works now |
| 15:21.35 | OSCArr | phew |
| 15:21.41 | poncha|work | whats wrong here ?\ |
| 15:21.44 | PepperBob | OSCArr: well, you just need to reinstall... hold on |
| 15:21.57 | PepperBob | OSCArr: ah, maybe it didn't finish then. |
| 15:22.04 | OSCArr | yeah |
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| 15:24.21 | PepperBob | OSCArr: i think the relevant package may be ifupdown |
| 15:24.26 | PepperBob | for network stuff |
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| 15:25.15 | halflife_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.17 | halflife_ | oops |
| 15:25.45 | PepperBob | heh |
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| 15:27.17 | OSCArr | cheers PepperBob |
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| 15:33.48 | drw | How I can restict access user to another directories ? |
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| 15:40.01 | rvalles | drw: man chmod |
| 15:40.06 | tyoc | Hi there, Im searching for a tiny distro based on debian, any suguestions? |
| 15:40.09 | echosystm | does anyone here know how xbaclight works? |
| 15:40.19 | echosystm | yes tyoc, debian |
| 15:40.24 | echosystm | install what you want :P |
| 15:40.29 | echosystm | dont install what you don't |
| 15:40.30 | tyoc | haha, from netinstall? |
| 15:40.37 | echosystm | yep |
| 15:40.42 | rvalles | isn't netinst like... the normal install? |
| 15:40.45 | rvalles | :P |
| 15:40.45 | tyoc | mmm I was thinking of something like xlax? |
| 15:40.56 | tyoc | hehe, I guess hohoho |
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| 15:42.17 | ajavid | good morning fellas |
| 15:42.38 | drw | I know this command |
| 15:42.39 | ajavid | I bought a new keyboard, so I can type properly now. The keys are so soft, I don't think I should be missing anymore letters in my sentences |
| 15:42.56 | drw | but I need create an account for webmaster |
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| 15:43.10 | drw | is mean with restrictions |
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| 15:43.40 | drw | but when I created this account this user can read configuration files |
| 15:43.44 | drw | like as /etc |
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| 15:45.32 | OSCArr | I need help, whenever I try to run mIRC through wine (wine mirc.exe) in the terminal to my debian PC; it says: Make sure your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is sett correctly. - err:ole:apartment_createwindowifneeded CreateWindow failed with error 1114 fixme:advapi:... (can put on pastebin). X is installed. I must run mIRC (got mirc scripts). |
| 15:46.02 | OSCArr | err:menubuilder:WinMain failed to build menu item for C:\windows\temp\Windows.ln |
| 15:46.02 | OSCArr | k |
| 15:46.25 | echosystm | ask in the wine forums |
| 15:46.32 | echosystm | i doubt you will get support here |
| 15:46.36 | PepperBob | OSCArr: just a dump question as i can't help you with that: why are you taking mirc to run it under wine? |
| 15:46.49 | OSCArr | Because I need to run a few mirc scripts |
| 15:46.49 | echosystm | scripts PepperBob |
| 15:46.53 | PepperBob | ah ok. |
| 15:47.02 | OSCArr | and I don't know perl / tcl / ruby / python but php and a bit of MSL |
| 15:47.13 | OSCArr | nor do I have the time to learn those languages right now |
| 15:47.20 | PepperBob | yay, it's always good to know perl ;) |
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| 15:47.49 | OSCArr | When I try echo $DISPLAY nothing is outputted |
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| 15:48.08 | \amethyst | OSCArr: $DISPLAY is only set when you're inside an X session |
| 15:48.24 | \amethyst | OSCArr: you'll probably need to use X if you want to run wine |
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| 15:48.27 | wintix | \amethyst: or if you use X forwarding via ssh |
| 15:48.31 | OSCArr | How can I do that? |
| 15:48.38 | \amethyst | wintix: I count that as "inside an X session" |
| 15:48.44 | wintix | \amethyst: :) |
| 15:48.53 | OSCArr | I guess it's a problem with being through ssh via the terminal |
| 15:48.58 | OSCArr | neither do I have a GUI installed I guess |
| 15:49.08 | \amethyst | OSCArr: where are you sshing from? A Linux machine or Windows? |
| 15:49.10 | OSCArr | since I wanted the debian install to be as clean as possible |
| 15:49.11 | OSCArr | Windows |
| 15:49.15 | OSCArr | to the debian PC |
| 15:49.25 | PepperBob | OSCArr: you have X forwarding turned on? |
| 15:49.29 | OSCArr | I don't think so, no |
| 15:49.38 | wintix | OSCArr: maybe you should start with something simple: try running xcalc (not a joke) |
| 15:49.40 | \amethyst | there is no X to forward unless you have a Windows X server |
| 15:49.49 | wintix | OSCArr: if xcalc works, you can start twiddling around with wine |
| 15:49.51 | OSCArr | Error: Can't open display: |
| 15:50.05 | wintix | OSCArr: do you have x-window-system installed on the server you are sshing to? |
| 15:50.16 | PepperBob | how should that work without X forwarding? |
| 15:50.47 | PepperBob | \amethyst: so he would need one i asume... |
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| 15:51.03 | wintix | OSCArr: also check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for X11Forwarding yes |
| 15:51.11 | OSCArr | wintix I've already checked that |
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| 15:51.14 | \amethyst | OSCArr: you want to run Windows programs on the Debian machine and have them display on the Windows machine? |
| 15:51.18 | PepperBob | wintix: i think he needs the x server on his windows machine? |
| 15:51.46 | OSCArr | \amethyst, or preferably run the mIRC exe in the background as it's a bot |
| 15:52.07 | \amethyst | OSCArr: it sounds like it's trying to create a window anyway |
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| 15:52.26 | ranix | \amethyst: he wants to launch mirc via ssh, but have the window displayed on the (non-visible) server |
| 15:52.30 | OSCArr | I'm using bitvise tunnelier now, and I've enabled "Enable X11 forwarding" in the ssh client (bitvise) |
| 15:52.31 | wintix | OSCArr: are you sitting in front of a linux box with X running? |
| 15:52.41 | OSCArr | wintix no, infront of a PC with vista |
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| 15:52.56 | wintix | OSCArr: i see. so get some X server for windows. exceed or something. |
| 15:53.01 | \amethyst | OSCArr: so you don't need to see it? then you might be able to run it under xvfb |
| 15:53.02 | ranix | just run it on the vista machine |
| 15:53.18 | OSCArr | \amethyst I do think I need to see the mIRC windows since I need to configure it |
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| 15:53.44 | wintix | OSCArr: alternatively get some xvnc4server running on the remote server, connect via vnc to that server and start it inside the vnc session.. |
| 15:53.58 | \amethyst | OSCArr: oh... so either a Windows X server, or install and run vncserver and .... what wintix said |
| 15:54.03 | OSCArr | alpha:~# xcalc |
| 15:54.03 | OSCArr | Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 |
| 15:54.23 | ranix | OSCArr: you're trying to launch a graphical application from a non-graphical terminal |
| 15:54.28 | OSCArr | Exactly |
| 15:54.29 | \amethyst | OSCArr: X forwarding doesn't work if you don't actually have an X server on the original machine |
| 15:54.35 | OSCArr | oh |
| 15:54.36 | \amethyst | OSCArr: (the Windows machine) |
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| 15:54.45 | OSCArr | Should I pick vnc4server or tightvncserver? |
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| 15:54.57 | OSCArr | Tried before but couldn't establish a connection, probably just me being utterly dumb and retarded |
| 15:55.07 | ranix | imho you should walk to the server and configure/launch it there |
| 15:55.14 | ranix | what you're trying to do is wrong |
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| 15:56.03 | OSCArr | brb then |
| 15:56.15 | OSCArr | need to move my monitor and the server |
| 15:56.19 | OSCArr | thanks for the help guys and girls |
| 15:56.21 | OSCArr | bye |
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| 15:59.21 | OSCArr | alright done |
| 15:59.29 | OSCArr | I've got the PC next to me now |
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| 16:02.20 | OSCArr | Nope, doesn't fix it |
| 16:02.42 | OSCArr | It gives me the same error when I try wine mirc.exe on the actual PC itself |
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| 16:05.24 | |Kael| | hi all. I am trying to install debian on an usb stick to use it later as a recovery system. When I try to install grub, I use this: grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdf (sdf is where the stick is). But I get the following error: grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdf1. Check your device.map. What is going on ? |
| 16:06.16 | nkuttler | |Kael|: check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 16:06.38 | |Kael| | nkuttler: of the current system, or the chroot/stick system ? |
| 16:07.41 | localoca | i am trying to build my own kernelpackage, with make-kpkg - but make complains zlib.h is missing. which package do i need to install to fix that? |
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| 16:08.15 | nkuttler | |Kael|: the stick i guess |
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| 16:09.16 | horacio | hello |
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| 16:09.35 | nkuttler | !tell localoca about search |
| 16:09.42 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. Can I make interfaces go up automatically only if they're connected (i.e. the cable is plugged in)? |
| 16:09.43 | |Kael| | nkuttler: well... /mnt/boot/grub/device.map does have this entry in addition to to sda(my current hard disk) (hd1) /dev/sdf |
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| 16:10.21 | |Kael| | nkuttler: and sdf is indeed my usb stick. |
| 16:10.48 | horacio | I have a couple of doubts about the netinst. I dont know if you are familiar with the anaconda installer |
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| 16:11.18 | horacio | is there away in Debian of installing via ftp from the local network? o do i have to install the netinst and then apt-get everything in need? |
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| 16:13.04 | rozie | horacio: if you can boot via pxe, then yes |
| 16:13.24 | rozie | and tftp IIRC |
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| 16:15.04 | g00se | Am i right in thinking that netboot is harder with wi-fi or is that my imagination (should be bios-dependent surely)? |
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| 16:15.53 | horacio | Yea.. i would be great just doing a lan boot, not possible though..it's a rather old machine and the bios does no support pxe.. |
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| 16:16.23 | horacio | so, i am basically stuck with netinst and then just apt-getting everything, right? |
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| 16:21.34 | horacio | i wouldn't think harder, unless the drivers are missing |
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| 16:22.23 | JyZyXEL | jesus sourceforge is being such a fail |
| 16:22.40 | |Kael| | Can someone please check why this http://paste.debian.net/41763/ happens? I believe the error message should not be there. |
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| 16:25.43 | FairFight | what should i write to apt-get sbnc 1.1 ? |
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| 16:25.52 | FairFight | the version it is downloading now is 1.2 |
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| 16:26.35 | cantido | FairFight: unless 1.1 is available in your sources, you can't install 1.1 |
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| 16:27.05 | FairFight | :( How do I check that? apt-cache search sbnc ? |
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| 16:27.20 | cemunal | hi all |
| 16:27.29 | FairFight | doesnt look like it is :S |
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| 16:28.33 | cemunal | can somebody help me; i installed openoffice.org-gtk package but it does not look like my gtk theme; how can i fix it? |
| 16:28.33 | cantido | earliest version in debian seems to be 1.2 |
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| 16:30.16 | ajavid | JyZyXEL, crying to jesus won't do shit. |
| 16:30.28 | ajavid | JyZyXEL, try the sourceforce support |
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| 16:33.10 | eix | I am manually building a chroot environment. let's try for example with the 'env' command. I have copied env and its libraries except linux-gate.so.1 which is not physical. still I cannot chroot and I only get file not found error, and the execve() call of chroot cannot be straced :( |
| 16:34.05 | spasysheep | what do each of the 5 dvd images for 5.02 contain? |
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| 16:34.17 | marcel` | spasysheep: mostly packages |
| 16:34.28 | eix | spasysheep: some films and popcorn |
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| 16:34.52 | marcel` | eix: this is help channel not jerk arround channel? |
| 16:34.53 | ranix | !popcorn |
| 16:34.54 | dpkg | pours a bag of popcorn into ctp's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about <popcon>) |
| 16:35.15 | OSCArr | Hey guys, how can I navigate to C:\Program Files\mIRC\ in Debian through wine |
| 16:35.19 | OSCArr | aka, where does wine store everything? |
| 16:35.27 | ranix | OSCArr: cd ~/.wine/drive_c/ ... |
| 16:35.33 | OSCArr | thanks |
| 16:35.33 | OSCArr | :D |
| 16:35.35 | ranix | np |
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| 16:35.47 | spasysheep | marcel; eix: are there different sets on each dvd, eg free, non-free, multimedia, etc? |
| 16:35.55 | |Kael| | I am trying to install linux on a usb stick to use it as a recovery system later. I'm stuck at installing grub on the stick, with the message here: http://paste.debian.net/41763/ Can someone help ? |
| 16:35.55 | ranix | marcel`: a little from column A, a little from column B |
| 16:36.04 | OSCArr | By the way, how can I make my keyboard layout to Swedish / europe instead of US? |
| 16:36.09 | marcel` | ranix: hehe |
| 16:36.14 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a (console) program which converts news feeds (RSS, Atom, etc.) to mails and sends them to me or stores them in a mbox. Thanks. |
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| 16:36.26 | ranix | OSCArr: hmm, perhaps locales or xset |
| 16:36.28 | ranix | !locales |
| 16:36.28 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors> |
| 16:36.31 | jelly | !keymap |
| 16:36.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 16:36.42 | ranix | thanks jelly |
| 16:36.50 | eix | dpkg is your friend |
| 16:36.51 | dpkg | no idea, eix |
| 16:37.03 | jelly | OSCArr: in X, something like "setxkbmap se" will set it up this once |
| 16:37.14 | OSCArr | thanks |
| 16:37.25 | jelly | OSCArr: if you're using Gnome, it can be configured in their control panel somehwere |
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| 16:38.05 | eix | how can I debug why a chroot doesn't work? |
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| 16:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what went wrong with this m-a build? Seems all is fine, but no kernel module gets made? Am I blind?http://pastebin.com/f3e45b018 |
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| 16:39.09 | OSCArr | How can I open up the "explorer" so I can see the maps in the program files wine C? |
| 16:39.33 | marcel` | OSCArr: do you run gnome? |
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| 16:40.07 | OSCArr | yes |
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| 16:40.24 | marcel` | placed > home folder |
| 16:40.46 | marcel` | OSCArr: press controll+h to see the hidden (seen . infront of .wine) folders |
| 16:40.46 | eix | OSCArr: nautilus .wine |
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| 16:43.22 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: can't you see the lines with "Error" there? |
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| 16:44.42 | dragonbyte | how do I make apt stop trying to install a broken package? I tried to install, it failed, I want to clean up other stuff, but every time I try to use apt-get it wants me to finish the bad install first |
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| 16:45.55 | ranix | autoclean / autoremove ? |
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| 16:46.19 | ranix | or fix--missing |
| 16:46.35 | dragonbyte | autoclean/autoremove wants me to finish the install to o:( |
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| 16:46.48 | ranix | try fix-missing |
| 16:47.06 | dragonbyte | i have 76M free |
| 16:47.21 | dragonbyte | apt-get -f install and apt-get autoremove wants me to finish this stupid install that will take 86M |
| 16:47.25 | dragonbyte | so if I say yes, it fails |
| 16:47.30 | dragonbyte | if I say no, I can't clean off the space |
| 16:47.37 | dragonbyte | it has locked itself into a failure |
| 16:47.45 | ranix | how about apt-get -f remove (broken package) |
| 16:48.03 | ranix | (fyi I don't actually know, but am just offering possible suggestions) |
| 16:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hark, well, are they telling me anything? The only thing I can see that gives (somewhat) useful information is /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory |
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| 16:49.33 | dragonbyte | that did it |
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| 16:49.59 | dragonbyte | tried that earlier (mighta been missing -f, or used wrong package name) and it bitched at me still |
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| 16:50.12 | dragonbyte | but hey, can't complain, it is working now |
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| 16:50.29 | ranix | CutMeOwnThroat: I see nothing useful there |
| 16:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so it's not just me :) |
| 16:51.25 | ranix | CutMeOwnThroat: can you do a find -type f | grep nvidia.ko in /usr/src/modules/ ? |
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| 16:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, it's really not there - and running the makes that m-a a-i runs by myself, I can say they exit without error, but they don't compile anything either |
| 16:52.29 | marcel` | how can i check if my videocard is correctly supported with Xorg? It runs but i would like to know if it runs 'correctly' |
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| 16:52.50 | ranix | CutMeOwnThroat: that's fucked up. Wipe the directory and start from scratch |
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| 16:53.15 | ranix | also, why is that rm -rf instead of rm -r? |
| 16:53.19 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: do an m-a clean nvidia |
| 16:53.22 | ranix | way up at the top |
| 16:53.26 | ranix | there's no reason for a -f |
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| 16:53.41 | ranix | m-a and/or autoconf controls everything in this directory |
| 16:53.49 | ranix | -f is just asking for trouble in a script |
| 16:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, you usually do rm -rf in scripts - the -f will not only suppress useless errors, it also sometimes prevents rm switching into interactive mode, asking you if you really want to delete this file |
| 16:55.06 | ranix | ah, ok |
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| 16:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, I never really got down to it, but I think rm without -i still asks you, if you don't have write permission to the file |
| 16:59.32 | hark | CutMeOwnThroat: does it work now? |
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| 17:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ranix, ha, good job - I did apt-get remove nvidia-source;rm -rf /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel and it compiles |
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| 17:00.29 | ranix | excellent |
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| 17:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what got me was the lack of errors :) |
| 17:01.06 | ranix | I'm not familiar with automake, I tend to do stuff like that manually unless I'm following a factoid |
| 17:01.10 | ranix | ehr |
| 17:01.14 | ranix | not familiar with m-a ^ |
| 17:01.21 | hark | it's fixed in sid |
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| 17:03.50 | dpkg | DONE:#533217:G[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source 185.18.14-1 does not build under vanilla 2.6.28 or 2.6.30 (patch); Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:30:01 UTC [] |
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| 17:04.15 | _abbenormal | hello all |
| 17:04.36 | marcel` | hi _abbenormal |
| 17:04.46 | _abbenormal | is there a place to get a netinstall with the 30 kernel on it now |
| 17:04.53 | _abbenormal | hi marcel` |
| 17:04.59 | linduxed | what is a reasonable size for /boot? |
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| 17:05.56 | _abbenormal | iwould think 50 meg should do it |
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| 17:06.05 | linduxed | hmmm |
| 17:06.09 | fxiny | ext2 |
| 17:06.17 | linduxed | fxiny: ?? |
| 17:06.19 | fxiny | yes |
| 17:06.20 | nvz | how do I assure files created in /srv/www/ are owned www-data:www-data? |
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| 17:06.44 | fxiny | linduxed: no need for a journal |
| 17:06.49 | nvz | cant remember which docs to look at. |
| 17:06.50 | damasceno | nvz, use the chown |
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| 17:07.02 | nvz | damasceno: I want them to be that upon creation |
| 17:07.03 | linduxed | fxiny: well i know that but the question was about the size... |
| 17:07.03 | lunk | nvz: sticky bit on the directory is a heavy handed approach |
| 17:07.29 | nvz | lunk: hmm.. indeed |
| 17:07.34 | \amethyst | setgid bit you mean? |
| 17:07.42 | cahoot | linduxed: 30MB no more no less |
| 17:07.43 | fxiny | linduxed: 50 is ok . i made it 200 to play with more kernels |
| 17:07.43 | nvz | not seeing any initail problems there |
| 17:07.49 | \amethyst | I'm not aware of any way to fix the user |
| 17:07.59 | slg | hello all, i have a problem, i was running analog tv with terratec cinergy hybrid xs usb stick, and got sound over aplay (arecord) with tvtime, since update, not sure what was updated, the sound is not working anymore, i get error message the my soundcard is busy.... hope someone can help me out.... |
| 17:08.03 | \amethyst | you can use ACLs to ensure that everything will be rw by www-data |
| 17:08.06 | linduxed | fxiny: hmmm, i dont play with kernels at all... |
| 17:08.17 | \amethyst | but that won't actually change the owner |
| 17:08.18 | fxiny | linduxed: so listen to cahoot |
| 17:08.28 | cahoot | linduxed: you sure you need a /boot partition at all? |
| 17:08.38 | linduxed | cahoot: LVM.... |
| 17:08.42 | nvz | \amethyst: not too familiar with that, but I am using ext3 |
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| 17:09.01 | nvz | I was going to use reiserfs on the webserver but decided against it at the last mintue :-P |
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| 17:09.29 | \amethyst | nvz: you'd need to remount with the 'acl' mount option, then setfacl -m d:u:www-data:rwx /srv/www |
| 17:09.30 | lunk | \amethyst: yes, the other bit ;) |
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| 17:09.41 | fxiny | linduxed: mine in 99 23% used |
| 17:09.54 | _abbenormal | is there a time line to when debian will start using ext4 as a option in the install setup |
| 17:09.56 | fxiny | one kernel |
| 17:10.06 | cahoot | linduxed: I'd guess 5MB is more than enough |
| 17:10.09 | nvz | \amethyst: can I do that considering the /srv/www is on the root partition? |
| 17:10.22 | nvz | \amethyst: with a mount -o remount / |
| 17:10.23 | \amethyst | nvz: yeah, mount / -o remount,acl |
| 17:10.46 | nvz | \amethyst: alright, I'll read up on setfacl |
| 17:11.17 | \amethyst | nvz: you're interested in setting the directory's "default ACL" |
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| 17:11.32 | slg | hello all, i have a problem, i was running analog tv through a terratec cinergy hybrid xs usb stick, and got sound over aplay (arecord) with tvtime, since my last update (synaptic), not sure what was updated, the sound is not working anymore, following error message appears: arecord: main:608: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 17:11.32 | slg | Running tvtime 1.0.2. |
| 17:11.32 | slg | aplay: playback:2297: read error |
| 17:11.32 | slg | Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml |
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| 17:11.43 | fxiny | linduxed: 2 kernels , one is a fix , in all 28MB |
| 17:11.51 | nvz | \amethyst: I don't seem to have the utilities, do you know the package name? |
| 17:12.09 | \amethyst | nvz: acl |
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| 17:12.21 | fxiny | so if i play with a vservr kernel , i need more , |
| 17:12.26 | marcel` | is gnome-core (for debian) getting renewed from time to time? or is it a base that will 'always' be like this |
| 17:12.27 | slg | sorry for flood |
| 17:12.56 | slg | arecord: main:608: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 17:12.56 | slg | aplay: playback:2297: read error |
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| 17:13.09 | slg | since update... |
| 17:13.30 | nvz | \amethyst: and is this perminant when set? will it carry across reboots? |
| 17:13.44 | \amethyst | nvz: you'll need to add the acl mount option in fstab |
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| 17:14.01 | nvz | \amethyst: right, I figured that much.. but they are stored on the filesystem? |
| 17:14.03 | \amethyst | nvz: but, yes, the ACLs are stored in the filesystem |
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| 17:14.16 | nvz | \amethyst: alright, ty. I am reading the manpages now |
| 17:14.29 | \amethyst | nvz: meaning you'll probably have to be careful when backing up |
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| 17:14.57 | \amethyst | nvz: e.g. rsync needs -aA and not just -a to preserve ACLs |
| 17:15.29 | slg | noone here who can help me, this is really an annoying problem cant watch regular tv :( or at least cant hear it... |
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| 17:16.06 | kladizkov | in ubuntu, missing command results in "command not found" and a suggestion of package name in which the command can be found like "try apt-get install <package name>".. how can i get my debian machine to do the same? |
| 17:16.12 | nvz | \amethyst: yeah I am vaguly familiar with the concept, I am certified in linux and had to know this crap at some point to pass the tests |
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| 17:16.36 | nvz | \amethyst: I just forget things I don't use, as there is always something new to wrap your mind around |
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| 17:17.03 | FairFight | anyone wanna help me installing sbnc on my debian? please. |
| 17:17.14 | hark | kladizkov: install command-not-found |
| 17:17.36 | nvz | \amethyst: right now I setup sshfs to make it simpler to update the site using keys and a locally mounted directory. Just need to take out the step of running chown -R www-data:www-data /srv/www/ |
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| 17:18.06 | slg | since last release of ubuntu, i skipped it and went back to debian, ubuntu becoming more and more like windoorsshut, shame actually |
| 17:18.15 | \amethyst | nvz: I'm not sure how sshfs will reflect the ACLs remotely |
| 17:18.35 | nvz | yeah me either.. but we'll see |
| 17:19.04 | nvz | I'm setting them on the /srv/www/ on the server which is mounted locally on my laptop via fuse.sshfs |
| 17:19.14 | nvz | we'll see if that works |
| 17:19.27 | \amethyst | you'll probably need to run setfacl on the server, not the laptop |
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| 17:21.55 | nvz | \amethyst: yeah thats what I'm doing |
| 17:21.55 | slg | noone here who will help me out with my noob sound question? |
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| 17:22.17 | _abbenormal | slg the ? is not a debian ? its about a issue with tv |
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| 17:22.46 | cahoot | slg: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 17:22.54 | nvz | \amethyst: well I did setfacl -m d:u:www-data:rwx,d:g:www-data:rw /srv/www and then touch this as my user in /srv/www and it made a file "this" owned as my user |
| 17:23.06 | slg | yes i know, but was hoping someone run into a similar problem once... |
| 17:24.31 | slg | http://pastebin.com/d55d94afc |
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| 17:26.04 | RadSurfer | HOW DO you get Debian to scan for NEW NETWORK CARD please? |
| 17:26.29 | marcel` | RadSurfer: what do you mean? |
| 17:26.35 | syslq78 | RadSurfer, well it should be found durring the boot? |
| 17:26.40 | cahoot | slg: nothing adverse there |
| 17:26.45 | digilink | radsurfer: gotta make sure the driver is installed? try lspci and go from there |
| 17:26.48 | RadSurfer | I swapped 3Com for a Kingston Network card, and its not seeing Kingston |
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| 17:27.02 | syslq78 | Ah, what digilink told you |
| 17:27.04 | RadSurfer | Most linuxes just recognize the change |
| 17:27.16 | syslq78 | If driver is present |
| 17:27.18 | cahoot | RadSurfer: ifconfig -a doesn't show any suspect? |
| 17:27.20 | syslq78 | Loaded I mean |
| 17:27.23 | digilink | radsurfer: you probably need a module |
| 17:27.37 | RadSurfer | Lite-On Ethernet controller? |
| 17:27.44 | RadSurfer | the card itself says "kingston" |
| 17:27.51 | RadSurfer | now what? |
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| 17:28.42 | marcel` | how can i eddit grub.conf on lenny? i cant find any conf with find / -name grub* |
| 17:28.45 | RadSurfer | inet address is 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:28.57 | RadSurfer | dang |
| 17:29.24 | digilink | radsurfer that is your local interface lo. if your not seeing eth0 the kernel isn't talking to it |
| 17:29.25 | cahoot | marcel`: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 17:29.53 | marcel` | cahoot: ty |
| 17:30.23 | cahoot | RadSurfer: so what does ifconfig -a show? |
| 17:30.25 | slg | http://pastebin.com/d5e5a1b60 (dmesg) |
| 17:30.27 | cmyers_work | marcel`: you must run grub-update (or update-grub, I always forget) after editing the file, changing the file alone doesn't take effect |
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| 17:30.59 | slg | after un/ replugging Stick |
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| 17:31.18 | marcel` | cmyers_work: ty |
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| 17:32.03 | slg | http://pastebin.com/d241e63cf (lsusb) |
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| 17:33.05 | slg | how can i check what is blocking my soundcard, was it the command you gave me before? |
| 17:33.08 | RadSurfer | eth0 is not showing in ifconfig. |
| 17:33.15 | RadSurfer | I'm swapping in a Linksys card now |
| 17:33.33 | slg | fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*? |
| 17:33.34 | cahoot | slg: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 17:33.39 | slg | k |
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| 17:34.36 | slg | had tvtime and stick running as i run this cmd, after i shutdown (killall aplay) i only get first line of course |
| 17:34.48 | slg | strange |
| 17:35.26 | digilink | radsurfer: is this a wireless or wired card? also, paste the output of this command in a pastebin: lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 17:35.43 | slg | here my script for aplay and tvtime... arecord -q --buffer-size=5000 -D hw:1,0 -f S16_LE -c2 -r16000 | aplay & tvtime |
| 17:36.37 | linduxed | will using LVM result in a performance hit, and will encrypting the LVM result in an even bigger performance hit? |
| 17:37.44 | RadSurfer | wired |
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| 17:37.59 | RadSurfer | Its rebooting with the Linksys now |
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| 17:38.18 | digilink | radsurfer: oh ok you may have better luck with that one |
| 17:38.21 | slg | all worked fine, damn i hate this kind of errors, looking for some kind of crap spelling error, i can bet with you this is no big deal, only big deal is to find it... |
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| 17:38.42 | fxiny | linduxed: i'm not using LVM , my lUKS box performances atre very good |
| 17:38.47 | Schizoid | Does Squeeze have support for ext4 out of the box? |
| 17:39.39 | linduxed | fxiny: ok |
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| 17:41.16 | slg | any idea someone? |
| 17:42.14 | slg | cahoot thanks for having a look |
| 17:42.57 | slk | fyi |
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| 17:43.17 | slk | justin, mjt |
| 17:43.23 | slk | i found that sshd problem |
| 17:43.29 | slk | it didnt have to do with sshd after all |
| 17:43.46 | RadSurfer | ANYONE know how to get Debian to see a NEW NETWORK CARD please? |
| 17:43.48 | slk | i found / had 0700 for some strange reason |
| 17:43.57 | RadSurfer | ifconfig does not show anything for "eth0" |
| 17:44.05 | cahoot | RadSurfer: why do you default to shouting? |
| 17:44.09 | jelly-home | Schizoid: do all the parts have support? yes. Some assembly required? yes. |
| 17:44.15 | marcel` | RadSurfer: maybe have a look at /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:44.18 | digilink | radsurfer: this is with the linksys card installed? |
| 17:44.33 | RadSurfer | Yes. I think this is the card I want to get working please |
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| 17:44.40 | abrotman | RadSurfer: dmesg | grep eth .. is it there ? |
| 17:44.43 | RadSurfer | it does show in lspci |
| 17:44.44 | slg | RadSurfer: is it a pci crad? then try lspci does it show up there? |
| 17:44.47 | cahoot | RadSurfer: does it show any eth*at all? |
| 17:45.47 | cahoot | 'it' being ifconfig -a |
| 17:45.53 | RadSurfer | yes it is listed |
| 17:46.02 | cahoot | what is listed |
| 17:46.04 | RadSurfer | dmesg does list it |
| 17:46.24 | RadSurfer | udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 17:46.27 | RadSurfer | what is that about |
| 17:46.32 | cahoot | !70 |
| 17:46.33 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 17:47.02 | RadSurfer | meanwhile, does someone have time to walk me through this please. |
| 17:47.05 | RadSurfer | What do we try next? |
| 17:47.15 | RadSurfer | hardware wise, the card is recognzed I guess |
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| 17:47.19 | digilink | radsurfer: sounds like you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add eth1 |
| 17:47.22 | RadSurfer | but no networking working yet |
| 17:47.29 | cahoot | RadSurfer: remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and run udevadm trigger |
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| 17:47.44 | cemunal | how can i change the default sound server to alsa? |
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| 17:48.50 | cahoot | cemunal: kill any soundserver presently running |
| 17:49.49 | cahoot | cemunal: alsa isn't a soundserver |
| 17:50.31 | cemunal | cahoot: i wan to see alsa settings in my mixer |
| 17:50.33 | cemunal | but no |
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| 17:50.54 | cahoot | cemunal: what happends if you run alsamixer? |
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| 17:51.22 | abrotman | !tell RadSurfer about interfaces |
| 17:51.32 | cemunal | it shows the channels cahoot |
| 17:51.51 | cemunal | but in xfce4-mixer |
| 17:51.53 | cahoot | cemunal: what is the problem you try to solve? |
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| 17:51.56 | RadSurfer | Nothing is happening yet! |
| 17:52.00 | cemunal | it shows OSS |
| 17:52.04 | RadSurfer | should I restart? |
| 17:52.13 | ranix | !resstart |
| 17:52.15 | ranix | !restart |
| 17:52.16 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 17:52.28 | RadSurfer | It is a hardware change. |
| 17:52.39 | RadSurfer | network card is not seen.... what now? |
| 17:52.43 | RadSurfer | I tried the above advice |
| 17:52.48 | cahoot | RadSurfer: so what does ifconfig -a show? |
| 17:52.56 | RadSurfer | I'm sorry! |
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| 17:53.02 | RadSurfer | Google.com just came up :-) |
| 17:53.08 | RadSurfer | Your help did the trick! |
| 17:53.19 | RadSurfer | whew. Glad thats done. |
| 17:53.26 | ranix | lol |
| 17:53.26 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:53.29 | ranix | don't freak out, RadSurfer |
| 17:53.32 | ranix | take it slow |
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| 17:53.49 | ranix | unless it's a printer or a wireless network adapter, chances are it will work just fine |
| 17:54.09 | cmyers_work | ^^ truth. Printers are whack =( |
| 17:54.18 | ranix | just manufacturers |
| 17:54.27 | cmyers_work | I have one of those crazy HP laser "winprinter" thingies |
| 17:54.29 | OSCArr | Hmm |
| 17:54.39 | ranix | yeah that's when they tried to get rid of HP PCL |
| 17:54.51 | ranix | I think they must have had one of those "new wave" of engineers |
| 17:54.53 | cmyers_work | every time I go to use it on a new machine, I have to go google for 20 minutes and fuck with it till it works |
| 17:54.53 | OSCArr | How can I make it possible to connect through remotedesktop to my debian PC? |
| 17:55.08 | ranix | you know the kind. The ones who think Java is the shit and object-oriented-programming will solve world hunger |
| 17:55.22 | ranix | "hp pcl is old! Time for the new! .net here we come!" |
| 17:55.23 | cmyers_work | know them? I am surrounded by them =) |
| 17:55.50 | cmyers_work | Although, for some things, java is the shit. Just not *everything*. |
| 17:55.57 | ranix | OSCArr: VNC, XDMCP, or NX |
| 17:56.10 | OSCArr | which one of them would be the smartest, in your honest opinion? |
| 17:56.12 | abrotman | rdp! |
| 17:56.13 | ranix | pick one and rock your socks |
| 17:56.16 | ranix | lol rdp |
| 17:56.20 | abrotman | OSCArr: you can use RDP with linux |
| 17:56.30 | ranix | if you happen to know rdp |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | judd: info rdesktop --release lenny |
| 17:56.41 | judd | abrotman: rdesktop (x11): is optional; Version: 1.6.0-2; Size: 128.2k; Installed: 424k -- RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server |
| 17:56.50 | OSCArr | Thanks, that's the one I'm looking for |
| 17:56.56 | OSCArr | I have it in Bitvise tunnelier |
| 17:57.01 | OSCArr | "Open new Remote Desktop" |
| 17:57.33 | OSCArr | Whenever I try to connect it says it couldn't establish a connection |
| 17:57.44 | RadSurfer | something is wrong. Why are files transfers taking 3 times longer than they should? |
| 17:57.47 | OSCArr | SSH OPEN CONNECT FAILED |
| 17:57.55 | fxiny | ranix: new wave pointed-sideburns engineers ? :P |
| 17:57.57 | ranix | what's the blocksize ( |
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| 17:58.00 | ranix | cough |
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| 17:58.15 | mayo | hello |
| 17:58.29 | ranix | entirely wrong terminal |
| 17:58.35 | OSCArr | ? |
| 17:58.42 | digilink | OSCArr: can you ssh to the machine in question? I'm assuming your wanting to tunnel RDP over SSH? |
| 17:58.59 | OSCArr | digilink I'd like to be able to have a remote desktop to my debian PC |
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| 17:59.05 | OSCArr | I'm currently logged in through ssh |
| 17:59.18 | digilink | OSCArr: oh ok so you want to use VNC then? |
| 17:59.22 | ranix | digilink: I think that question is over his head |
| 17:59.24 | OSCArr | But they said I'd use rdp |
| 17:59.38 | ranix | digilink: he's trying to run mIRC in Wine to use an irc bot, remotely |
| 17:59.53 | digilink | hmm ok |
| 17:59.54 | ranix | sorry I just chuckled a bit |
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| 18:00.15 | OSCArr | ranix it's OK, better to be chucklin' than telling someone to rm -rf / |
| 18:00.20 | OSCArr | which happened on quakenet |
| 18:00.21 | OSCArr | :D |
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| 18:00.38 | abrotman | OSCArr: please don't say that again |
| 18:00.38 | ranix | it's an entirely reasonable response lol |
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| 18:01.09 | OSCArr | abrotman yeah sure. Well, how can I see if rdp is enabled? |
| 18:01.16 | RadSurfer | what factors would SLOW DOWN file transfers to another PC? |
| 18:01.17 | abrotman | OSCArr: is it even installed ? |
| 18:01.18 | OSCArr | I tried apt-get install rdesktop, said it was already installed |
| 18:01.24 | RadSurfer | the rates I'm getting are too slow |
| 18:01.24 | abrotman | RadSurfer: what kind of transfer ? |
| 18:01.27 | ranix | RadSurfer: networking? |
| 18:01.33 | RadSurfer | Using samba to another machine |
| 18:01.41 | abrotman | your surfing is too rad for your network |
| 18:01.48 | abrotman | in other news .. ranix is too sexy for his shirt |
| 18:01.54 | digilink | hehe |
| 18:01.54 | ranix | takes his shirt off. |
| 18:01.57 | RadSurfer | theres a problem there. |
| 18:02.07 | RadSurfer | should only take 1 to 2 minutes to move a 300mb file |
| 18:02.09 | abrotman | RadSurfer: try another type of file transfer |
| 18:02.15 | RadSurfer | its taking FIVE MINUTES |
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| 18:02.17 | ranix | scp or netcat |
| 18:02.21 | OSCArr | ranix, can you help me? |
| 18:02.24 | jelly-home | stop YELLING |
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| 18:02.29 | ranix | OSCArr: you're beyond help |
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| 18:02.53 | OSCArr | :( |
| 18:02.56 | ranix | OSCArr: I suggest doing an apt-cache search for VNC to try to find a VNC server to run on your "server" |
| 18:03.05 | ranix | OSCArr: then connect to it with a Windows Vista VNC client |
| 18:03.15 | RadSurfer | before Debian was put on here I had CentOS, I got full bandwidth from file transfers. didn't have to do anything special |
| 18:03.17 | ranix | OSCArr: do it more correctly later when you're more experienced |
| 18:03.24 | OSCArr | I will, ranix |
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| 18:03.38 | RadSurfer | Apparently is not the network card, but a configuration issue in debian, somewhere |
| 18:03.38 | jelly-home | OSCArr: why don't you just install an X server on your other machine, then display X apps remotely? |
| 18:03.42 | ranix | lots of people will hesitate to answer your questions because there are no really correct answers for what you're trying to do |
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| 18:04.07 | OSCArr | jelly-home because I didn't know how to, so I installed gnome and plugged a monitor in to it |
| 18:04.24 | jelly-home | OSCArr: is this your only machine? |
| 18:04.33 | OSCArr | No, I have a laptop which I'm writing from |
| 18:04.40 | OSCArr | and the other PC, the one I have debian on |
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| 18:04.51 | jelly-home | OSCArr: which OS does the laptop run? |
| 18:04.54 | OSCArr | Vista |
| 18:04.55 | ranix | vista |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | RadSurfer: did you install winbind and configure it and configure nsswitch to work with it ? |
| 18:05.05 | RadSurfer | So what would cause 600mb to take NINE minutes to transfer? |
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| 18:05.12 | ranix | RadSurfer: anything? |
| 18:05.22 | RadSurfer | I didn't have to install anything special before (or it was automatic) |
| 18:05.25 | rgr | I have local machine L and remote machine R. I connect to R via ssh with x forwardng enabled. When I run iceweasel it pops up on L's desktop BUT "localhost" is actually L and not R. Why is this and how can I fix it? |
| 18:05.31 | jelly-home | OSCArr: oh, running X apps remotely wouldn't work if you wanted them to run even when the laptop was offline |
| 18:05.40 | ranix | RadSurfer: that's like asking what could cause a carrier pidgeon to take 6 days to travel from Conneticutt to Rhode Island |
| 18:05.50 | ranix | RadSurfer: there's a lot of wilderness between the two places we know nothing about |
| 18:05.52 | OSCArr | jelly-home oh ok |
| 18:06.06 | OSCArr | well guys, thanks for the help |
| 18:06.12 | lunk | ~ubuntu |
| 18:06.13 | apt | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:06.13 | jelly-home | OSCArr: get yourself a vnc server on the debian machine and run X apps inside that |
| 18:06.38 | jelly-home | OSCArr: and use a vnc client to access those sessions. |
| 18:06.41 | OSCArr | I am, thanks everyone for your help and patience |
| 18:07.14 | abrotman | RadSurfer: you were using a different OS .. oddly things don't always work exactly the same when the OS is different |
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| 18:08.04 | rgr | jelly-home: any idea about my issue above? |
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| 18:08.28 | jelly-home | rgr: tc;dr |
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| 18:09.16 | jelly-home | it's like tl;dr only replace "long" with "complex" |
| 18:09.20 | dkr | rgr: that doesn't seem likely. perhaps you ahev misdiagnozed what is happening |
| 18:09.34 | vor | Hi, I got a kernel: <0>general protection fault: 8610 [#2] any idea where can I find what 8610 is? |
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| 18:10.02 | cahoot | linux? |
| 18:10.05 | rgr | dkr: I checked twice. I sshed in kicked off iceweasel, iceweseal came up on my desktop. its a problem with phpmyadmin I'm trying to work out so want to access it on R as localhost. |
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| 18:10.08 | dkr | rgr: unless you modified R's /etc/hosts file to have it translate to L's ip address and |
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| 18:10.29 | rgr | dkr: I know it sounds nuts. |
| 18:11.35 | dkr | rgr: file:///etc/hostname |
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| 18:11.50 | ranix | I've seen a lot of xyproblems, rgr, but I can't say I've ever seen a L R problem before |
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| 18:12.16 | dkr | ranix: he's been using ssh tunneling features ion the past. it uses -L and -R :) |
| 18:12.25 | rgr | I run my own bind server too. |
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| 18:12.34 | jelly-home | rgr: btw. I'm too lazy to read your lines with understanding now, but iceweasel command when started looks for an already open window and spawns that one instead if it's present. If you have a local one open, kill it, or use -ProfileManager |
| 18:12.40 | vor | cahoot yep Linux 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:12.49 | rgr | jelly-home: thant might be it. |
| 18:12.51 | dkr | jelly-home++ |
| 18:13.32 | jelly-home | this guess brought to you by the keywords: firefox, remote, ssh |
| 18:13.41 | ranix | lol |
| 18:13.50 | ranix | high-fives jelly-home |
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| 18:13.58 | jelly-home | ducks |
| 18:14.05 | jelly-home | \_o< |
| 18:14.27 | rgr | yup that was it. Had a rogue firefox-bin running. strange nonetheless. would have thought remote start wuold start a new process ont he remote machine. |
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| 18:14.57 | ranix | rgr: you'd think a lot of things that Firefox does differently |
| 18:15.04 | ranix | my favorite is how the fuckin menus move around |
| 18:15.13 | ranix | comparing the windows build to the linux build to the mac build |
| 18:15.17 | ranix | three different sets of keybinds |
| 18:15.21 | ranix | three different menu trees |
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| 18:15.35 | ranix | someone should be tied to two trucks going in opposite directions |
| 18:15.42 | ranix | better yet - three! |
| 18:15.51 | rgr | aha but its so they have mode "look and feel" of the native OS I would think. |
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| 18:16.00 | boxxertrumps | ranix: i prefer horses, more agony. |
| 18:16.01 | ranix | BS I say |
| 18:16.19 | boxxertrumps | lasts quite a bit longer |
| 18:16.26 | rgr | now the Q is why the hell does localhost/phpmyadmin on my SWL Server machine try to log in automatically and give this error? "#1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) " |
| 18:16.31 | rgr | s/SWL/SQL |
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| 18:17.09 | jelly-home | because you didn't configure it to use a password? |
| 18:17.17 | dkr | ranix: different keybinds? it annoyed me when they changed the unix default to use ctl to match with windows rather than alt as god intended. :) |
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| 18:17.40 | rgr | jelly-home: I doubt that. I dont even know you can configure phpmyadmin. Its a straight url. |
| 18:17.47 | rgr | I cleared cookies too. |
| 18:19.02 | tarzeau | yay next year toy story 3 will come! |
| 18:19.19 | marcel` | bewhehe |
| 18:19.25 | marcel` | im going to iceage tomorrow |
| 18:19.29 | Neaai | Hi all. I have mounted an usb stick to install a rescue debian system there. Installing grub fails. I have mounted the /dev/sdf1 on /mnt, the command " grub-probe /mnt" fails with the error: "grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdf1. Check your device.map." What can this be ? |
| 18:19.46 | RadSurfer | ANYONE know why a 550mb file requires SEVEN minutes to transfer? |
| 18:19.55 | marcel` | Neaai: have you checken /boot/grub/device.map? |
| 18:19.55 | RadSurfer | I just updated winbind, etc. |
| 18:20.44 | Neaai | marcel`: /boot/grub/device.map contains only my harddisk. While /mnt/boot/grub/device.map contains the harddisk and the usb stick |
| 18:21.32 | fxiny | RadSurfer: how can you manage to shout even when typing 550 ? :P |
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| 18:21.46 | RadSurfer | :-) this is rediculous though |
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| 18:22.00 | RadSurfer | something is not configured right. I don't know where to look. |
| 18:22.21 | marcel` | Neaai: you could try adding you usd stick ad /boot/grub/device.map and run update-grub. but at own risk! and make backup (ie. device.map.old) |
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| 18:24.20 | Neaai | marcel`: I will try that though I'm a bit reluctant. Now that machine is remote and I might have to wait till tomorrow when I'm back there physically. Yet, googling around shows that its the device.map of the usb stick that needs the entry... idk |
| 18:24.26 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 1002:515e |
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| 18:24.28 | judd | cg_uira: [1002:515e] is 'ES1000' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'radeonfb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:515e |
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| 18:26.06 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 1022:7458 |
| 18:26.08 | judd | cg_uira: [1022:7458] is 'AMD-8132 PCI-X Bridge' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1022:7458 |
| 18:26.30 | althaser | now my apt-get updates for amd64 and i386 how can I choose just one ? |
| 18:26.36 | Neaai | general question: If I format a usb stick as ext3, give it a bootable flag, debootstrap the system at the mountpoint (/mnt), then shouldn't "grub-probe /mnt" show something proper and not an error message ? |
| 18:26.38 | RadSurfer | what factors SLOW DOWN file transfers between PC's? DHCP vs Static IP? what |
| 18:26.47 | RadSurfer | this is not proper files taking 10 times longer than normal |
| 18:27.02 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 10de:0376 |
| 18:27.04 | judd | cg_uira: [10de:0376] is 'MCP55 PCI Express bridge' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0376 |
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| 18:27.12 | RadSurfer | How do I eliminate it being Debian, vs some other issue? |
| 18:27.52 | nick4 | I want to build an ispell dictionary. I have a list of words for a given language. What's the next step? Google got me lost |
| 18:28.09 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 10de:0369 |
| 18:28.12 | judd | cg_uira: [10de:0369] is 'MCP55 Memory Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0369 |
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| 18:29.28 | RadSurfer | configured as STATIC and not dhcp, 550mb take 5m30secs |
| 18:29.35 | RadSurfer | Why so long under Debian? |
| 18:29.49 | fxiny | again that tune ? |
| 18:29.58 | RadSurfer | this is not normal |
| 18:30.13 | Neaai | RadSurfer: could it be the ipv6 ? |
| 18:30.18 | RadSurfer | there must be a way to find out its not efficient transferring on the lan. |
| 18:30.24 | RadSurfer | ipv4 here. |
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| 18:30.47 | Neaai | RadSurfer: but you have ipv6 too, or have you disabled it ? |
| 18:31.00 | RadSurfer | Can you help me check that properly please? |
| 18:31.06 | cmyers_work | hmm, trying to remember the command that shows you what mode your NIC is in... make sure it is in full-duplex 100TX mode? |
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| 18:31.22 | RadSurfer | Don't know why its a special issue under debian tho |
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| 18:31.42 | Neaai | RadSurfer: ifconfig If you see an ipv6 address there, you have it active, even though you're not using it |
| 18:31.45 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 8086:1079 |
| 18:31.48 | judd | cg_uira: [8086:1079] is '82546GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1079 |
| 18:31.49 | RadSurfer | 4gb, under normal conditions requires only 10 minutes! |
| 18:31.58 | RadSurfer | I am getting a HUGE bottleneck here |
| 18:32.06 | cmyers_work | erm, in gigabit mode then =) |
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| 18:32.21 | cmyers_work | also, how long is your cable? is it cat6? |
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| 18:32.28 | ranix | !networking |
| 18:32.29 | RadSurfer | it is not the cable no |
| 18:32.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, networking is at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/ , http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html and "man interfaces". ##networking @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:32.33 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 8086:10a4 |
| 18:32.34 | judd | cg_uira: [8086:10a4] is '82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10a4 |
| 18:33.02 | ranix | /join ##networking for help with networking bottlenecks; you'll find sub-par help in #debian because it's off-topic here |
| 18:33.31 | cmyers_work | RadSurfer: I wouldn't think a cable would spontaneously break, but note that different chipsets might handle situations (e.g. cables longer than the "relatively short" max distance for gigabit) differently. |
| 18:33.44 | RadSurfer | its only 25ft |
| 18:33.53 | ranix | cg_uira: e1000 has a bug in Etch where the kernel module shits a brick when the device switches from 10/100 to 10/1000 |
| 18:34.00 | ranix | FYI |
| 18:34.26 | RadSurfer | so far, this file transfer PROBLEM is the only thing making Debian unenchanting right now. Everything else was going smoothly |
| 18:34.27 | cg_uira | ranix: thanks |
| 18:35.00 | RadSurfer | This is Debian 5.0.2 downloaded 2 days ago. |
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| 18:35.12 | cmyers_work | RadSurfer: apt-get install ethtool, `ethtool eth0` |
| 18:35.15 | ranix | RadSurfer: it's unlikely to be an OS problem, you may wish to troubleshoot your network |
| 18:35.25 | ranix | RadSurfer: I suggest trying ##networking |
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| 18:35.36 | cmyers_work | also, the suggestion to try the networking channel is good =) |
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| 18:36.00 | fxiny | cmyers_work: ethtool ? |
| 18:36.10 | cmyers_work | prints out stats about what mode the NIC is in |
| 18:36.10 | ranix | considering you haven't done any troubleshooting, complaining about how Debian is "unenchanting" due to your Samba network being slow is offensive. |
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| 18:36.20 | maxagaz_ | hi |
| 18:36.24 | marcel` | hi |
| 18:36.31 | cg_uira | judd: nVidia MCP55 |
| 18:36.40 | RadSurfer | is ifplugd important? or just install ethtool ? |
| 18:36.42 | maxagaz_ | in the OSI model, ports would correspond to which layer ? |
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| 18:37.02 | maxagaz_ | session or transport ? |
| 18:37.51 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 10de:0364 |
| 18:37.52 | judd | cg_uira: [10de:0364] is 'MCP55 LPC Bridge' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0364 |
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| 18:38.18 | cmyers_work | maxagaz_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=OSI+transport+wikipedia |
| 18:38.19 | mjt | that bridge does not need a driver |
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| 18:38.58 | unop | maxagaz, the latter |
| 18:40.51 | maxagaz_ | unop, thanks |
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| 18:44.02 | blizzow | My debian box boots off a logical volume that consists of two physical drives. One of the drive (or the port on the controller) seems to be failing. Is there a way to force the volume group mount from the initramfs without having the second drive? |
| 18:44.16 | si|ent | hi - with apache2 if i have maxclients set in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and then set it in another file, say /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/test.conf |
| 18:44.20 | RadSurfer | I installed 'ethtool', what name does it go by? I can't seem to find it |
| 18:44.26 | si|ent | which one is taken into effect? |
| 18:44.42 | kr1s | Hi, how can i change this routing table http://paste.debian.net/41773/ that pakets for 192.168.10.0 doesn't be encapsulated by tap0 and ppp0 |
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| 18:45.20 | cusco | si|ent: both |
| 18:45.26 | si|ent | thats not good :) |
| 18:45.34 | cusco | si|ent: it parses the first one first, then the second |
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| 18:46.05 | si|ent | so if in the apache2.conf I have MaxClients 20, then in test.conf have MaxClients 256, the 256 is the value in effect? |
| 18:46.05 | cusco | if they have different values, the sites-enabled one will be called later, thus being the one in action |
| 18:46.16 | cusco | as conf files are evocket from apache2.conf |
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| 18:46.55 | si|ent | ah makes sense, thanks for that |
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| 18:48.08 | FairFight | anyone wanna help me installing sbnc on my debian? please. |
| 18:48.36 | si|ent | lastly, by default does apache2 on debian use the mpm-worker? |
| 18:49.53 | Python1320 | Help, I'm trying to install debian over network |
| 18:50.02 | Python1320 | Problem is I get my ip from dhcp |
| 18:50.06 | Python1320 | but I need to change the gateway |
| 18:50.12 | Python1320 | Otherwise the network connection won't work |
| 18:50.19 | Python1320 | How can I do this within the installer? |
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| 18:50.39 | sshc | how do I update libneon27 to the SID version? |
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| 18:51.06 | sshc | I think it's libneon27 that's causing me to be unable to check out svn repos |
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| 18:55.56 | MoMo | i have a wg111v@ netgear usb wifi adapter ... what do i have to do in order to have debian recongize it? |
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| 18:58.27 | deadcat_ | whats pan0? |
| 18:58.43 | deadcat_ | MoMo: what chipset? |
| 18:58.52 | andres833 | hi |
| 18:59.02 | MoMo | deadcat_ not sure how to find the chip set |
| 18:59.09 | andres833 | i need configure a usb-redcard |
| 18:59.17 | SoulSeller | pan0 is typically a bluetooth device. Look in '/var/log/messages' file for 'pan'. |
| 18:59.28 | sshc | #531338 |
| 18:59.50 | deadcat_ | MoMo: MoMo quick search online shows that you might need to use ndiswrapper. which sucks. |
| 19:00.01 | abrotman | !wg111v2 |
| 19:00.01 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 19:00.14 | mjt | !dpkg wtf nfc |
| 19:00.16 | dpkg | NFC: no fucking clue |
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| 19:00.49 | deadcat_ | new bluetooth package update. maybe time for me to try to get the stupid apple keyboard to work. |
| 19:02.03 | Python1320 | fffffffsssss... I hate my ISP. Just can't get the darn internet connection to work without changing the gateway |
| 19:02.43 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:03.06 | si|ent | Python1320: how you connecting pppoe? |
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| 19:03.39 | Schizoid | Hello! I am trying to install lenny, but the installer always hangs at the same spot: http://ntrnt.com/debian.jpg |
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| 19:05.24 | abrotman | holy big picture |
| 19:05.28 | Python1320 | si|ent, ADSL |
| 19:05.38 | Python1320 | I have bridge server with 5 interfaces |
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| 19:05.47 | Python1320 | My ISP gives me 5 ip addresses |
| 19:05.48 | si|ent | Python1320: ugly :) |
| 19:05.53 | Python1320 | Why? |
| 19:05.57 | Python1320 | I'm open to suggestions |
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| 19:06.19 | Schizoid | abrotman: sorry |
| 19:06.26 | rohan | if i have a 64bit capable system with exactly 4GB ram, should i go for 32bit or 64bit debian? |
| 19:06.31 | abrotman | Schizoid: that's all the farther it makes it? how long have you waited ? |
| 19:06.40 | Schizoid | abrotman: minutes |
| 19:06.45 | si|ent | Schizoid: have you tried booting with noapic |
| 19:06.49 | abrotman | rohan: up to you .. though for a desktop, 32bit might make more sense |
| 19:07.00 | abrotman | Schizoid: pretty new machine ? |
| 19:07.16 | Python1320 | si|ent, were you referring to ADSL being ugly or my bridge being ugly? |
| 19:07.19 | rohan | abrotman: but then for utilizing all 4GB i need a kernel compiled with PAE right? are default debian kernels compiled with PAE? |
| 19:07.23 | Arrowmaster | i dont think 32bit linux is limited to 4gb of ram |
| 19:07.32 | abrotman | rohan: there is a -bigmem kernel for that |
| 19:07.36 | Schizoid | si|ent: ah, what do i append for that? noapic=true? |
| 19:07.44 | Schizoid | abrotman: maybe 1-2 years old |
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| 19:07.51 | si|ent | Python1320: the fact they give you five addresses and you have to manually determine the default route |
| 19:08.04 | Python1320 | si|ent, I don't know why is it like that |
| 19:08.05 | rohan | abrotman: ah ok. but is it true - that for utilizing 4GB ram on 32bit system, i need PAE enabled? |
| 19:08.12 | Python1320 | All my 4 other computers get their proper addresses |
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| 19:08.17 | Python1320 | But this laptop refuses to do anything |
| 19:08.22 | Python1320 | and now it suddently started to work |
| 19:08.28 | Arrowmaster | rohan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Linux |
| 19:08.31 | Python1320 | Only thing I did was starting to wireshark the bridge |
| 19:08.33 | Python1320 | :D |
| 19:08.46 | si|ent | Schizoid: when you boot add the following to the kernel parameters in grub: noapic acpi=off |
| 19:08.50 | rohan | Arrowmaster: thanks! |
| 19:09.32 | si|ent | Schizoid: try this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=704873 |
| 19:09.38 | Python1320 | But the ISP starts to piss me off, almost all my computers are on different class-a networks |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | rohan: i forget which option they have set .. but the -bigmem will work just fine .. |
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| 19:10.26 | Python1320 | si|ent, also, if you have any suggestions to my other problem. I have no lan because the ISP's gateway tends to route all the traffic through itself. |
| 19:10.27 | rohan | abrotman: thank you :) i asked dpkg the bot too, it's clear now |
| 19:10.29 | Python1320 | How could I prevent this |
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| 19:10.52 | si|ent | Python1320: whats your routing table look like? |
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| 19:11.46 | deadcat_ | i am trying to get the apple bluetooth keyboard to work on debian. if anyone have it working (currently) please let me know what to do. |
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| 19:12.57 | SoulSeller | deadcat_, http://www.pixelchaos.net/2008/09/26/set-up-a-bluetooth-keyboard-in-debian-etch/ |
| 19:13.01 | Schizoid | thanks si|ent, unfortunately that does not seem to make a difference |
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| 19:13.36 | deadcat_ | SoulSeller: thanks. let me give it another try. (i dont use gnome) |
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| 19:14.03 | abrotman | Schizoid: pretty new hardware? |
| 19:14.39 | Schizoid | abrotman: it is from 2007 or so |
| 19:15.13 | Python1320 | si|ent, you're the first one if you get my lan to work |
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| 19:17.47 | Neaai | I'm trying to install a debian lenny in an usb stick. After installing grub, I don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst on the usb. How can I generate it ? |
| 19:18.13 | rohan | Neaai: update-grub as root |
| 19:18.50 | Neaai | rohan: I tried to chroot at the /mnt (where I have my usb mounted) and I did that from there, to no avail |
| 19:19.08 | Neaai | rohan: still there's no /boot/grub/menu.lst there |
| 19:19.10 | rohan | Neaai: you first need a proper dev.. what are you chrooting from? |
| 19:19.25 | rohan | and what error message do you get? |
| 19:19.25 | Neaai | rohan: from my running system. |
| 19:20.22 | Neaai | rohan: well. No error message so far. I was getting one before which I think I sorted that out. grub-probe was complaining |
| 19:20.26 | deadcat_ | SoulSeller: i get a lot of : Jul 13 12:20:16 hades bluetoothd[6036]: link_key_request (sba=00:15:83:15:A2:A9, dba=00:1E:52:FC:FF:FC) |
| 19:20.48 | deadcat_ | SoulSeller: i think its trying to connect but i might have to enter the pin. |
| 19:20.53 | deadcat_ | which i think i have it setup. |
| 19:21.01 | rohan | Neaai: logout of chroot, mount /dev chrootdir/dev -o bind, then chroot back in, and try update-grub |
| 19:22.46 | Neaai | rohan: well that did it thanks. But what's the meaning of the above, so I can logically remember it ? |
| 19:24.22 | SoulSeller | deadcat_, Try again. hidd –connect $(keyboard addr) (as root) |
| 19:24.37 | rohan | Neaai: because of udev, all /dev are empty nowadays. so when you chroot into a system, your /dev is empty. but for update-grub to work, it reads disks from /dev. so to have a logical /dev within chroot, what we did was "bind" outside /dev to chroot's /dev. that did it :) |
| 19:24.38 | SoulSeller | Follow the steps and it should work. |
| 19:24.54 | deadcat_ | SoulSeller: ya. it didnt show error. but i cant type anything with the keyboard either. |
| 19:25.31 | Neaai | rohan: makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the solution and the explanation too :) |
| 19:26.16 | rohan | Neaai: no problem, enjoy.. |
| 19:27.05 | SoulSeller | deadcat_, hidd –search |
| 19:28.31 | deadcat_ | SoulSeller: hidd is part of bluetooth package which it seems deprecated soon. bluez is the package i have. |
| 19:28.35 | deadcat_ | SoulSeller: i am in #bluez. which me luck. |
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| 19:29.25 | abrotman | Schizoid: have oyu ever installed debian on it before ? |
| 19:29.52 | SoulSeller | deadcat_, Ok, wish luck then. I gotta go. :) |
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| 19:30.23 | Neaai | rohan: when I exit the chroot, do I need to umount the /dev of a while ago ? |
| 19:30.32 | rohan | Neaai: yes |
| 19:30.34 | MoMo | deadcat_: so if i'm running 2.6 that chipset for the wifi adapter should be included? |
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| 19:30.49 | Neaai | rohan: ok |
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| 19:32.48 | d_b | Hi, I just installed tracker-search-tool in Debian Stable and when I try to start trackerd it tells me "DBUS ERROR: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer occurred with message Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-YPwInnTwPN: Connection refused ERROR: could not get the dbus session bus - exiting |
| 19:33.38 | Neaai | dinner time. Byes all |
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| 19:34.19 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 1022:1200 |
| 19:34.21 | judd | cg_uira: [1022:1200] is 'K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] HyperTransport Configuration' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1022:1200 |
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| 19:36.57 | cg_uira | judd: pciid 10de:0364 |
| 19:36.59 | judd | cg_uira: [10de:0364] is 'MCP55 LPC Bridge' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0364 |
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| 19:37.37 | mjt | ..neither of which needs any drivers |
| 19:37.45 | debuz | hey... does the mv command follow symlinks by default? If it does, how do I disable this? man mv says nothing about it |
| 19:38.03 | mjt | it moves the symlink |
| 19:38.17 | debuz | that's what I thought |
| 19:38.47 | debuz | but I told it to move 360G and it would not fit into two 219G |
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| 19:40.53 | debuz | How come that happends? Moving 360G to two different partitions of 219G, both getting full and there are still data to move! |
| 19:40.58 | mjt | if it has to copy data (between different filesystems) it will delete it after all is done |
| 19:41.57 | mjt | also you have to divide your data first |
| 19:42.04 | debuz | hmmm |
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| 19:42.12 | mjt | so it'll fit in pieces you're preparing |
| 19:42.13 | debuz | I did that... |
| 19:42.19 | debuz | =( |
| 19:42.27 | mjt | examine destination files |
| 19:42.34 | mjt | and compare with the source |
| 19:42.36 | ranamalo | judd: pciid 10de:0369 |
| 19:42.37 | judd | ranamalo: [10de:0369] is 'MCP55 Memory Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0369 |
| 19:42.37 | g00se | debuz: How did you do it? |
| 19:42.39 | mjt | nothing else will help |
| 19:43.02 | debuz | there was 2 dirs. I mv'ed them onto separated partitions |
| 19:43.03 | debuz | that's all |
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| 19:43.27 | debuz | /dev/sdd1 459G 110G 326G 26% /backup |
| 19:43.27 | debuz | /dev/sdb1 230G 219G 0 100% /hd1 |
| 19:43.27 | debuz | /dev/sdc1 230G 218G 0 100% /hd2 |
| 19:43.32 | debuz | that's so strange... |
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| 19:44.06 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 19:44.25 | debuz | yup |
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| 19:45.00 | fxiny | cant' fit 459 in 2*230 |
| 19:45.15 | debuz | fxiny: yeah, but I was moving data only, not dd'ing it =/ |
| 19:45.22 | fxiny | 5% is for root |
| 19:45.53 | debuz | what do u mean for root? |
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| 19:46.07 | fxiny | debuz: what about the symlink ? |
| 19:46.25 | debuz | fxiny: I'm not sure mv is following it or not |
| 19:46.33 | debuz | that's the only guess I had... that it might have followed symlinks |
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| 19:47.11 | fxiny | debuz: dunno mv , rsync won't follow symlinks |
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| 19:47.37 | mjt | rsync will skip symlinks by default |
| 19:47.42 | fxiny | yes |
| 19:47.45 | debuz | yeah |
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| 19:47.51 | debuz | I tried to read man mv to see something about that |
| 19:47.52 | mjt | but will copy them if told to do so |
| 19:47.56 | debuz | but there's nothing on it there |
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| 19:48.11 | mjt | mv moves symlinks. Everywhere it does that. |
| 19:48.20 | debuz | the most bizzare part is that there was 360G of data on /backup |
| 19:48.22 | mjt | posix says it should do that, too |
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| 19:48.32 | mjt | so look what's in there? |
| 19:48.39 | debuz | then, when moved to two different partitions, it occupies 100% of 219G each... |
| 19:48.42 | debuz | it makes no sense |
| 19:48.44 | fxiny | debuz: is already full 230-5%==219<459/2 |
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| 19:49.12 | debuz | fxiny: yeah but 219*2>360 |
| 19:49.44 | debuz | 360 was the initial data size |
| 19:49.49 | debuz | that's the confusing part... |
| 19:50.01 | debuz | how come 360 became 219*2+110.. =O |
| 19:50.08 | fxiny | debuz: og yes , 326 |
| 19:50.12 | fxiny | oh* |
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| 19:51.07 | debuz | well.. I mean... I wanted to copy /backup to /hd1 and /hd2. Each /hd1 and /hd2 fits 219G and /backup had 360G... it should just fit |
| 19:51.22 | debuz | well, fit and leave a lot of space left also |
| 19:51.48 | debuz | and it does not fit. instead, it occupies 100% of both hds and there is still 110G of data to move! |
| 19:51.53 | debuz | this is making no sense to me |
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| 19:52.03 | mjt | .ignore debuz |
| 19:52.04 | mjt | oops |
| 19:52.14 | abrotman | and now we all know |
| 19:52.15 | debuz | lol... cute mistake you got there |
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| 19:52.51 | mjt | well, he really makes no sense. the only reasonable thing is to compare his two data sets. but he continues to whine. |
| 19:53.08 | debuz | spaciba mjt |
| 19:53.19 | fxiny | symlinks on the way ? |
| 19:53.39 | debuz | yeah fxiny |
| 19:54.07 | mjt | symlinks or not, does it matter? find -ls after all |
| 19:54.31 | debuz | of course it matters... |
| 19:54.33 | debuz | well man, forget it |
| 19:55.05 | debuz | gonna deal with this alone |
| 19:55.10 | fxiny | debuz: empty partitions ? |
| 19:55.19 | debuz | fxiny: hmm gonna check that |
| 19:55.23 | debuz | fxiny: thank you |
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| 20:00.19 | FairFight | can i get the server to go completely back from standard (like a fresh installation) with ssh access only? |
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| 20:01.14 | DustyDingo | hm, can i configure the domain resolver on a system in a way, so that i can do an alias for another domain |
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| 20:01.29 | DustyDingo | so like 'foo' resolves to foo.mydomain.com? |
| 20:02.05 | DustyDingo | because /etc/hosts only seems to parse hostname -> ip pares |
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| 20:06.39 | abrotman | FairFight: from what? |
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| 20:08.05 | FairFight | from what? |
| 20:08.18 | sifty | hi -- I've gotten the installer from goodbyemicrosoft.com -- I'm currently on winxp, on a 250 gb hdd (5 partitions; each partition being about 75% full) - and I'm going for a dual-boot, is all of this possible with the installer from goodbyemicrosoft.com? I mean, will paritioning/resizing be taken care of somewhere within this procedure? |
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| 20:09.36 | abrotman | FairFight: what do you want to remove to get "back to standard" ? |
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| 20:09.48 | ranamalo | how do I install directly lenny-bpo? |
| 20:09.52 | FairFight | everything |
| 20:09.58 | FairFight | debian |
| 20:10.02 | abrotman | FairFight: please be less vague |
| 20:10.05 | ranamalo | is there an iso? |
| 20:10.10 | abrotman | ranamalo: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 20:10.57 | FairFight | I want to get debian back to standard, remove eveything that wasnt there from a clean install. |
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| 20:11.39 | abrotman | FairFight: so use your package manager to remove those things |
| 20:12.17 | FairFight | I will just request a reinstall then, if there are no other way. |
| 20:12.31 | ranamalo | abrotman: but I want to install directly the lenny-bpo 2.6.30 image. Normal lenny doesn't seem to have support for my hardware. the installer just restarts, but knoppix boots up |
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| 20:12.57 | ranamalo | normal lenny's kernel is 2.6.26 but knoppix has 2.6.28 |
| 20:12.57 | abrotman | FairFight: yes, there is, but there's no magic "Remove everything that wasn't there at the beginning" .. you'll actually have to do some work |
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| 20:13.06 | abrotman | !tell ranamalo about kmuto |
| 20:14.01 | FairFight | what could i do else than remove all packages? |
| 20:14.23 | abrotman | you don't want to remove all of them |
| 20:14.31 | abrotman | you want to selectively remove the packages you don't want |
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| 20:15.00 | rudi_s | abrotman: Is there a list of packages installed by a minimal debian installation? |
| 20:15.17 | abrotman | not taht i can easily think to get .. |
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| 20:15.26 | justin | abrotman: it would be anything in main... |
| 20:15.30 | abrotman | but the ones that are 'required|important|standard' are a good guess |
| 20:15.34 | justin | yeah, that |
| 20:15.44 | rudi_s | abrotman: Ah, good idea. |
| 20:15.45 | FairFight | :( |
| 20:15.47 | abrotman | but don't complain if you remove everything but those, and oyur system goes to LALA land :) |
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| 20:16.41 | rudi_s | FairFight: Wait a sec please. |
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| 20:17.39 | abrotman | you might be able to do something like aptitude remove "!~pstandard|!~pimportant|!~prequired" .. but that is completely untested, no idea if it would actually work |
| 20:18.01 | abrotman | yeah .. it didn't like that |
| 20:18.04 | stew | abrotman: tasksel remove standard? |
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| 20:18.14 | abrotman | stew: he wants to keep standard AFAICT |
| 20:18.18 | stew | oh |
| 20:18.21 | justin | abrotman: ah.. i have an idea... |
| 20:18.29 | stew | abrotman: you don't need the |s |
| 20:18.39 | abrotman | see .. stew has better aptitude-fu than me :) |
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| 20:19.26 | FairFight | hmm |
| 20:19.28 | stew | (and depending on your shell, you are going to want ' instead of " |
| 20:19.33 | stew | ) |
| 20:19.41 | abrotman | apparently the "!" fails |
| 20:20.12 | abrotman | i thought there was a 'not' operator for aptitude |
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| 20:20.21 | rudi_s | FairFight: aptitude search '~i !~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard !~E !~M' should give you a list of applications you might remove. But some are still necessary, so check them. |
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| 20:21.07 | FairFight | hmm ok |
| 20:21.14 | FairFight | im taking a look |
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| 20:22.14 | FairFight | thanks btw |
| 20:22.16 | justin | rudi_s: I ran that on a almost empty VM and that only returned ~36 packages |
| 20:22.19 | mrtn123 | why are dmesg output and /var/log/dmesg file content different? I mean shouldn't they be exactly the same if, as far as I know, /var/log/dmesg is the file where dmesg logs its output? |
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| 20:22.54 | rudi_s | justin: Yes .. ? |
| 20:22.58 | justin | rudi_s: so it works pretty good |
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| 20:23.15 | sifty | <sifty> hi -- I've gotten the installer from goodbyemicrosoft.com -- I'm currently on winxp, on a 250 gb hdd (5 partitions; each partition being about 75% full) - and I'm going for a dual-boot, is all of this possible with the installer from goodbyemicrosoft.com? I mean, will paritioning/resizing be taken care of somewhere within this procedure? :( |
| 20:23.37 | McL0VIN | what is the best practice to assign a user sudo, i don't want to use username ALL=(ALL) ALL as username can grant him/her self root priv using su |
| 20:23.40 | rudi_s | Ah. But you need still boot manager, syslog, etc. It would really be nice to have a list of applications installed by the installer. |
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| 20:26.08 | JW | Dumb question. I know there is know official date set to release squeeze, but is there at least an educated guess? On the web I saw something that suggested maybe 18 months after Lenny? |
| 20:26.25 | justin | JW: you must be new to debian |
| 20:27.05 | JW | jusin: only because you think I haven't been hearing "it will be ready when it's ready" for 10 years? :-) |
| 20:27.15 | justin | JW: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 20:27.15 | abrotman | !when will squeeze release |
| 20:27.16 | dpkg | There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the subject. |
| 20:27.38 | justin | JW: about when the green line gets really close to 0 again |
| 20:27.44 | rudi_s | FairFight: Oh and yes, don't remove your kernel. |
| 20:27.48 | patrikf | JW: the fact that we neither know how many RC bugs will arise nor how fast they will be fixed makes the thing so unpredictable. |
| 20:28.05 | JW | justin: that link (graph) means almost nothing to me, they released Lenny when the were still plenty of marks on the graph :-) |
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| 20:28.42 | FairFight | lol :D wont do that |
| 20:29.22 | justin | JW: it never gets all the way down |
| 20:29.35 | [_] | is away: 暂离 |
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| 20:29.46 | JW | justin: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny "No official life cycle announced yet. Previous stable were targeted to be released every 18 months, A distribution used to be discontinued 1 year after a new one is released... but things may change" |
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| 20:30.07 | JW | justin: so I'll assume that 18 months is still "officail wishful thinking" |
| 20:30.15 | JW | * offcial |
| 20:30.29 | JW | yeah - some day I'll learn to type. |
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| 20:45.51 | robin_sz | so ... tell me. debian lenny ... I plug my usb cell phone in ... it recognises the camera ... it pops up an "import photos" dialogue .. I click "import" ... now .. where on earth does it store them? I can see no "album" application in the list ... |
| 20:46.22 | user458_ | do you know the name of the photo? |
| 20:46.27 | Fersure | I have a quick question. Are point releases generally planned ahead for certain dates? |
| 20:46.35 | dondelelcaro | Fersure: no |
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| 20:46.58 | dondelelcaro | Fersure: there is planning behind them, and as they get closer, they end up being projected for a date, but there's no schedule |
| 20:47.10 | user458_ | are printers generally plug-and-print? |
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| 20:47.23 | Fersure | dondelelcaro: Ah okay. And why do the point releases? Why not just release them as security updates? |
| 20:47.30 | Fersure | I don't quite understand that. |
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| 20:47.36 | user458_ | or do i need to take further steps to get my printer to work on my system? |
| 20:47.38 | dondelelcaro | Fersure: they contain things which aren't security updates, and they roll up all of the security updates, too |
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| 20:47.50 | Fersure | dondelelcaro: Ah okay. Thanks. :) |
| 20:48.00 | dondelelcaro | Fersure: the main point is to bring the CDs back into sync with the security updates, so you don't have a window where a newly installed system is insecure |
| 20:48.05 | user458_ | it's a hp printer and i'm on lenny |
| 20:48.14 | Fersure | dondelelcaro: Ah makes sense. |
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| 20:48.25 | dondelelcaro | (and the other updates are generally just a bonus) |
| 20:48.26 | streuner_ | user458_: HP is well supported |
| 20:48.39 | streuner_ | user458_: check out linuxprinting.org |
| 20:48.48 | Fersure | And so you don't have to install loads of updates when you first install? (Like with other distros) |
| 20:48.54 | robin_sz | shall I assume that the "import photos" dialogue is just a pop up box that doesnt actually do anyting, and will be completed in a later release of debian? |
| 20:48.57 | dondelelcaro | Fersure: yeah, that too. |
| 20:49.08 | Fersure | Okay. Thanks for the info. :) |
| 20:49.17 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: which import photos dialog? |
| 20:49.21 | streuner_ | user458_: and install CUPS /msg dpkg cups |
| 20:49.36 | user458_ | streuner_: yeah i have cups installed |
| 20:49.54 | robin_sz | so ... tell me. debian lenny ... I plug my usb cell phone in ... it recognises the camera ... it pops up an "import photos" dialogue .. I click "import" ... |
| 20:50.00 | robin_sz | err that one |
| 20:50.11 | user458_ | it appears to be up and running but my printer is not beeing recognized |
| 20:50.29 | user458_ | i have also installed hplip |
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| 20:50.50 | gigo | does KDE bring up the menu on pressing Alt + F1 just like GNome? |
| 20:50.56 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, let me umplug it and replug it, see if I missed some vital hint in the dialog box ... |
| 20:51.02 | gigo | and does it bring up the run prompt on pressing Alt + F2 ? |
| 20:51.17 | streuner_ | user458_: show us the output of "lsusb" in paste.debian.net please |
| 20:51.19 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: it's probably something to do with whatever DM you're running. Since I don't run one, I wouldn't know about it. |
| 20:51.27 | robin_sz | DM? |
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| 20:51.37 | robin_sz | its just stock debian Lenny |
| 20:52.15 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: you're presumably running gnome or kde. |
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| 20:52.27 | robin_sz | it says .. "camera import" ... "there are photos on the camera. would you like to add them to the album" |
| 20:52.31 | robin_sz | ah yes Gnome ... |
| 20:52.59 | robin_sz | oh well, I guess its a work in progress |
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| 20:53.54 | Posterdati | please I need help with atheros wifi and squeeze: I've got a color changing led on wifi switch, it won't become blue even if I modprobe ath_pci |
| 20:54.22 | cusco | Posterdati: forget the led, what does dmesg say? |
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| 20:54.51 | linduxed | should the /boot partition have the bootable flag on? |
| 20:54.56 | Qew | user458_: have you gone in your browser to http://localhost:631 ? That's the page to configure cups on your machine. You should be able to add your printer there. What printer is it? |
| 20:55.04 | Posterdati | cusco: why? |
| 20:55.23 | cusco | Posterdati: there are some chipsets that the driver does not handle the leds as good as others... |
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| 20:56.39 | Posterdati | cusco: I think I'm going to downgrade squeeze to lenny to reinstall kde3 |
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| 20:58.03 | Raab | hey all |
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| 20:58.13 | Raab | looking for a bit of help ... neone spare a minute? |
| 20:58.29 | abrotman | Raab: just ask your question |
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| 20:59.21 | Raab | thanks, wondering what the differences between a kernal driver and module are ... and I think I have installed a bad sound driver/module, how do I uninstall it? |
| 20:59.35 | abrotman | how did you install it ? |
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| 21:00.39 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, not part of gnome ... |
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| 21:06.24 | Hexch | hi, I have an apache2 with some virtual host configured, but when I try http://hexch.dk I get an premission denied |
| 21:06.46 | Raab | abortman, I just went to the directory and typed ./install into terminal |
| 21:06.54 | Raab | and it automatically installed |
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| 21:07.08 | Hexch | My error log says error client ip-address file does not exist: /home/hexch/sites/hexch_dk |
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| 21:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | linduxed, only DOS MBR cares about the 'boot' flag, afaik - if you install grub/lilo into the mbr, it doesn't matter. If you have a DOS MBR and install grub/lilo into e.g. hda1, then hda1 should have the boot flag, wherever hda1 is mounted at |
| 21:09.05 | Raab | abrotman: ne ideas? |
| 21:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raab, he's gone |
| 21:09.15 | Raab | ahhh lol |
| 21:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raab, what driver are you talking about... |
| 21:09.32 | Raab | my sound driver |
| 21:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raab, and no, you shouldn't install any kernel modules like that |
| 21:09.49 | Raab | looking to "rollback" to my old driver, which came with linux |
| 21:10.06 | Raab | but thts what the readme for the driver documentation instructed |
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| 21:10.51 | newbie_ | Bonjour, y a t'il quelqu'un ? |
| 21:11.08 | stew | !fr |
| 21:11.08 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:11.26 | cusco | Hexch: check the error log at /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 21:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that may be, but you're installing this stuff outside the package management of Debian, probably just overwriting some files or adding files that are read instead (i.e. before) of the ones that are installed regularly |
| 21:11.37 | cusco | Hexch: the last lines should tell you what is wrong |
| 21:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's no way to keep track of those |
| 21:12.12 | Raab | ok ... well how do I go about uninstalling them and reverting back to the old drivers? |
| 21:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, as we have no idea whatsoever what "typing ./install" actually did, that's kind of hard to say, no? |
| 21:13.01 | Raab | yeh ... I know what ur saying, but I can list the drivers by looking at the module list |
| 21:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the loaded ones |
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| 21:13.22 | Raab | and I tried using rmmod, but since the modules are in use ... it wont let me |
| 21:13.26 | Hexch | cusco: it tells me file does not exist: /home/hexch/sites/hexch_dk/favicon.ico |
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| 21:13.32 | cusco | go and search for the driver you want and install it manually! lol |
| 21:13.33 | user458_ | Qew |
| 21:13.42 | Hexch | In hexch_dk folder I have drupal ready to be installed |
| 21:13.51 | cusco | Hexch: that cannot be it. Hexch check the error logfile defined in the vhost conf |
| 21:13.59 | user458_ | i'm trying to add a printer using the browser interface |
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| 21:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raab, what does uname -a tell you? |
| 21:14.04 | user458_ | it found the printer/drivers just fine. then i got this message and a user/pass dialogue |
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| 21:14.10 | user458_ | A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS" |
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| 21:14.39 | Raab | wot version of linux I am running ... |
| 21:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that is? |
| 21:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's one line... paste it |
| 21:15.57 | cusco | user458_: lppasswd -a root |
| 21:16.02 | cusco | in the command line |
| 21:16.04 | Raab | Linux RobertsComp 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:23:21 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:16.05 | cusco | that adds user root |
| 21:16.12 | cusco | and asks you for the password user458_ |
| 21:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? that doesn't look like a debian kernel to me... |
| 21:16.55 | Raab | its fedora |
| 21:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 21:17.19 | _abbenormal | how do i turn on eth0 in debian |
| 21:17.30 | _abbenormal | im on 2.6.30.1 kernel |
| 21:17.40 | cusco | !fedora |
| 21:17.40 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net http://fedoraproject.org/ |
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| 21:17.59 | cusco | try /join #fedora |
| 21:18.19 | Raab | yeh I tried but none of them answered my calls for help ='( |
| 21:18.45 | cusco | install debian and come back |
| 21:19.07 | Hexch | cusco: now it tells me: costumlog takes two or three arguments, a file name, a costumlog log format string |
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| 21:19.26 | Hexch | my apache can't start |
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| 21:19.40 | linduxed | CutMeOwnThroat: ok thx for the info |
| 21:19.44 | Raab | lol I cant be bothered with havin 10 linux distributions ... arent they pretty similar? |
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| 21:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Raab, no |
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| 21:20.05 | cusco | _abbenormal: is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces ? if yes - ifup eth0 |
| 21:20.19 | _abbenormal | looking |
| 21:20.25 | user458_ | cusco: yes i am being prompted for a pass in the console |
| 21:20.33 | _abbenormal | for some reason ifup doent work |
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| 21:20.46 | cusco | dhclient eth0 |
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| 21:20.57 | user458_ | cusco what is this pass? |
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| 21:21.13 | cusco | woa |
| 21:21.20 | user458_ | cusco: am i setting a password for the printer |
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| 21:22.19 | cusco | user458_: for the administraton page that lets admin the printer |
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| 21:22.19 | tgwhiker | hi |
| 21:22.19 | owen1 | what is the application at the far right (the icons)? http://omploader.org/vMXgyNQ |
| 21:22.19 | gnz11 | raab not at all very similar to equating w 3.1 / 95/ xp and vista yes lots of the same code but not the same |
| 21:22.25 | tgwhiker | does debian support i7 processor ? |
| 21:22.32 | user458_ | cusco: should this be the same as root? or can it be different? |
| 21:22.33 | _abbenormal | so whats the sample of interfaces im not seeing ifup in there |
| 21:24.09 | FairFight | What does the Segmentation fault mean? |
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| 21:24.14 | stew | damog: what are you doing with an exploitable router? :) |
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| 21:24.52 | _abbenormal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault |
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| 21:26.10 | FairFight | hmm, thanks. |
| 21:26.51 | FairFight | What can I do to prevent that segfault? |
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| 21:27.57 | hdon | hi all, i'm trying out ubuntu, and i really want the Fixed font that came with Debian 4.0. can anyone help? |
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| 21:31.34 | cusco | user458_: it can be different |
| 21:31.46 | cusco | _abbenormal: try dhclient eth0 |
| 21:31.48 | genoobie | hey I'm trying to boot a laptop with SATA support but it hangs |
| 21:31.54 | genoobie | any tips for a newb? |
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| 21:31.59 | user458_ | cusco: i created a password using 'lppasswd -a root' and i used the combo root:<pass> on the admin page when it prompted me but it's not authing me |
| 21:32.06 | cusco | _abbenormal: does your modem/router/whatever run a dhcp server? |
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| 21:32.38 | genoobie | I don't know what to do... |
| 21:32.56 | genoobie | I imagian a more complete iso would not make a diff probably |
| 21:33.06 | cusco | what can you see on screen when it hangs? |
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| 21:33.25 | genoobie | I forget there was a .o extension |
| 21:33.30 | genoobie | I can boot it again if you want |
| 21:33.37 | genoobie | maybe sata_vrc.o? |
| 21:33.46 | genoobie | or vrc_sata.o? |
| 21:33.53 | _abbenormal | to bring u upto whats going on is this ive just built a custom kernel which i use a config that has worked on 2.6.27.24 now im on 2.6.30.1 and it wont startup the network thats what im trying to learn how to setup now the kernel shows its there and working just not up |
| 21:33.53 | genoobie | can't remember exactly |
| 21:34.33 | _abbenormal | http://pastebin.com/d5783a9ef |
| 21:34.36 | cusco | genoobie: I think it is a known issue |
| 21:34.39 | cusco | !sata |
| 21:34.39 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 21:35.24 | cusco | but I really don't know anything about it |
| 21:35.24 | genoobie | cusco any tips on a small distro that will have this built in? |
| 21:35.39 | genoobie | and I won't have to make a custom kernel |
| 21:35.40 | cusco | there should be a command prompt |
| 21:35.54 | cusco | boot prompt command to bypass it |
| 21:35.59 | cusco | I don't know it tho |
| 21:36.04 | genoobie | but I need the sata mounted |
| 21:36.26 | genoobie | anyhow, can you think of a distro that will have this built in so it can be easily mounted / accessed? |
| 21:37.01 | _abbenormal | id do a custom kernel its not real hard |
| 21:37.07 | genoobie | ugh |
| 21:37.16 | genoobie | hard enough and I don't have time... |
| 21:37.17 | cusco | there should be a simplier way |
| 21:37.29 | genoobie | I know it's not that bad, but I think there's a distro out there already |
| 21:37.37 | cusco | I would recommend you to go to irc.debian.net and ask there, if you can't get help here |
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| 21:38.10 | cusco | I would try the latest nightly/daylly build |
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| 21:38.15 | cusco | from testing |
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| 21:39.16 | genoobie | cusco, you mean debian |
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| 21:41.54 | bronaugh | got a question. have an onboard LSI 8208ELP that I would rather just use as fusionmpt instead of trying to b0rk the megasr driver with binary blob into deb. |
| 21:42.08 | bronaugh | anyone got ideas / experience with the LSI 1068E based cards? |
| 21:42.11 | FairFight | dies |
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| 21:45.01 | cire | which command shows me the users accessing a certain file? e.g. "CMD /var/log/syslog" ? |
| 21:45.24 | asg | cire: lsof is one way |
| 21:45.37 | cire | asg: I know this, but there was another one... |
| 21:45.46 | cire | which I liked more |
| 21:45.59 | stew | cire: fuser |
| 21:46.12 | cire | yeah, thank you! |
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| 21:50.40 | syslq78 | Which is more standard anyway fuser or lsof? |
| 21:50.47 | syslq78 | They both do about the same |
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| 21:53.57 | asg | syslq78: I find lsof to be more informative ... fuser can sometimes miss things. |
| 21:54.28 | syslq78 | asdf, I also think that losf is included by default |
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| 21:54.37 | FairFight | can i get my debian to make a beep? |
| 21:54.52 | syslq78 | asg, well they both were on my system since I run ubuntu |
| 21:55.14 | asg | !beep |
| 21:55.14 | dpkg | methinks beep is echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ask me about <bell>. |
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| 21:56.26 | FairFight | !bell |
| 21:56.27 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
| 21:57.07 | syslq78 | xset b off is the most precious command on any linux system |
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| 21:57.59 | asg | syslq78: rmmod pcspkr is also effective |
| 21:58.25 | FairFight | !shell beep |
| 21:58.25 | dpkg | i heard shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
| 21:58.36 | FairFight | :> |
| 21:59.34 | FairFight | !dpkg |
| 21:59.35 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 21:59.46 | FairFight | !dpkgbot |
| 21:59.47 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 22:05.54 | syslq78 | asg :), not bad idea |
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| 22:06.17 | syslq78 | asg but I'd bet it's not loaded as module but compiled into kernel |
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| 22:06.38 | asg | syslq78: it's generally modular |
| 22:06.38 | syslq78 | asg my wrong |
| 22:06.57 | user458_ | so apparently the web interface for cups is disabled by default in debian? can anyone else confirm this? |
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| 22:07.37 | syslq78 | asg a question, how can I see all drivers compiled into kernel? |
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| 22:07.54 | petemc | user458_: it should be accessible via localhost by default |
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| 22:08.07 | user458_ | it's not |
| 22:08.17 | asg | syslq78: /boot/config-$(uname -r) (look for the non-modular ones) |
| 22:08.33 | user458_ | the interface is there. my problem lies with being unable to authenticate with root/<pass> |
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| 22:09.49 | syslq78 | asg you're wiz |
| 22:09.52 | syslq78 | thans |
| 22:10.02 | asg | you're welcome |
| 22:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | user458_, no |
| 22:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | user458_, it's limited to access from localhost |
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| 22:11.04 | user458_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i am at localhost |
| 22:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 22:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird guys |
| 22:11.47 | syslq78 | Hmm, is there any way a fstab can notice profiles (mount different shit under different conditions with different users)? |
| 22:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 22:12.43 | syslq78 | Yeah I know I could use .bashrc but is there some more nifty way? |
| 22:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you use automounters for that |
| 22:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fstab is static |
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| 22:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... afuse, amputils, autofs.... |
| 22:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | or pmount if the user should mount it |
| 22:14.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, mound that everything is mounted globally... |
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| 22:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | the thing you have in your mind cannot exist exactly like you think |
| 22:15.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux is multiuser :) |
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| 22:17.20 | horacio | i am having a little problem specifying a local ftp repository of the debian dvd in orden to install aditional packages to a netinstall image.. |
| 22:17.36 | horacio | i have the ftp server running, with anonymous user enabled at 192.168.1.101 |
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| 22:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a local IP |
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| 22:18.02 | horacio | yes.. it is.. |
| 22:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/local/intranet/ |
| 22:18.09 | horacio | i already have the dvd image.. |
| 22:18.27 | horacio | so i don't want to download everything again.. |
| 22:19.03 | horacio | so i thought by mounting the dvd in an ftp enabled directory, i would be able to use it as a repo for the packages.. |
| 22:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 22:19.47 | chellomere | horacio, you haven't got the dvd in the same machine as you're installing stuff on? |
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| 22:20.13 | horacio | nope.. its an .iso in the 192.168.1.101 host.. |
| 22:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !repository howto |
| 22:20.46 | dpkg | repository howto is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 22:21.14 | chellomere | I'm not sure what you want to do can be done without copying the files in the repo out of the image, but take a look at apt-cacher |
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| 22:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or apt-ftparchive... |
| 22:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, look at the howto |
| 22:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | horacio, might be simpler to just mount the cdrom over the net via sshfs and add a deb file:/// line |
| 22:23.11 | chellomere | CutMeOwnThroat, doh, of course |
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| 22:24.17 | ksnp | anyone know something about mingw32 cross compilation here |
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| 22:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone know something about mingw32 cross compilatio |
| 22:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn :) |
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| 22:28.33 | horacio | ok.. so apt-cacher..i will look at it.. |
| 22:28.58 | horacio | thanks.. sadly i would have say, anaconda is a very good installer, damn! |
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| 22:32.23 | ksnp | CutMe : why ? |
| 22:32.26 | ksnp | the damn |
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| 22:33.23 | abrotman | ksnp: please ask better questoins |
| 22:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, because! |
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| 22:34.04 | syslq78 | sshfs wow |
| 22:34.17 | binary | hey guys, can I just ask, why did Debian decide to dump xorg.conf ? |
| 22:35.13 | Zharf | I thought that was xorg crap? |
| 22:35.23 | binary | Zharf: xorg.conf? |
| 22:35.33 | Zharf | the decision to not use it anymore |
| 22:35.34 | ksnp | abro : that's the one i am stuck with onw |
| 22:35.49 | binary | I would really like to slap the person who made that decision |
| 22:35.55 | Zharf | me too |
| 22:36.04 | Jester45 | how can i find what eth1/0 maps to what network card, they are different modles so ill i need is the pci address or the name of the pci device but idk how to get it. |
| 22:36.14 | Zharf | HAL is crap, and I want my DontZap "false" back |
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| 22:36.46 | binary | like Slackware still has xorg.conf |
| 22:36.49 | binary | and good old xorgconfig |
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| 22:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | binary, it didn't... it's just all autodetected now - you can still have one if that gives you benefits |
| 22:37.14 | Zharf | I've also had some major trouble with intel drivers latley |
| 22:37.18 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but where's the template xorg.conf ? |
| 22:37.40 | Zharf | if xorg blanks the screen while mplayer is playing, it won't unblank it and after a few seconds after I've touched the keyboard or mouse, the box freezes |
| 22:37.41 | tarzeau | x sets up multihead automatically right? |
| 22:37.59 | tarzeau | and figures if the screens are rotated 90 degrees? and their direction? and the order? |
| 22:38.06 | tarzeau | impressive, i wonder how they do that |
| 22:38.07 | Zharf | latest update in sid on xorg made UXA *extremely* slow and EXA crashed a lot |
| 22:38.14 | binary | tarzeau: HAL I believe |
| 22:38.18 | tarzeau | Zharf: ah that's since lenny |
| 22:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | binary, e.g. nvidia-xconfig can make one |
| 22:38.25 | tarzeau | binary: how can i it know? |
| 22:38.36 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: what use is that, I don't have nvidia-xconfig? |
| 22:38.38 | Zharf | tarzeau, since 5.0.2? yes I believe so, I had to downgrade a little |
| 22:38.41 | tarzeau | binary: and how can it know what keyboard you have? |
| 22:38.43 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: I would have to install nasty binary nvidia driver to get it |
| 22:38.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: see the xrandr howto on the debina wiki |
| 22:38.57 | Zharf | tarzeau, but it still freezes when playing something wiht mplayer and xorg decides to blank my screen |
| 22:38.58 | abrotman | oh .. nevemrind |
| 22:39.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:39.07 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: nvidia-xconfig -- etch: 1.0+20051122-2 lenny: 1.0+20080522-2 sid: 1.0+20080522-2 squeeze: 1.0+20080522-2 |
| 22:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | binary, actually not, it's in the common repros |
| 22:39.29 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: really, oh fair play then |
| 22:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno how much sense it makes for non-nvidia cards, though |
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| 22:39.43 | tarzeau | i'll see when squeeze is released... |
| 22:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or for any other but the proprietary driver |
| 22:40.03 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: I actually have an nvidia card |
| 22:40.12 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: but I don't wanna use their shit driver kthx |
| 22:40.23 | tarzeau | binary: nvidia driver? it's not shit! |
| 22:40.31 | bronaugh | you'd prefer the open source shit driver? |
| 22:40.34 | bronaugh | I've used both. |
| 22:40.36 | binary | tarzeau: its binary wank |
| 22:40.40 | bronaugh | the open source nv driver is worse. |
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| 22:40.43 | tarzeau | binary: it can play sauerbraten |
| 22:40.47 | tarzeau | bronaugh: FULL ACK :) |
| 22:40.52 | binary | bronaugh: right okay yes it works better |
| 22:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | binary, perhaps it's useful enough to make a template for you |
| 22:41.06 | binary | bronaugh: but it kind of beats the point of having an Open Source system |
| 22:41.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: so can the intel driver :) |
| 22:41.14 | tarzeau | binary: no |
| 22:41.18 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: I just scp'd my xorg.conf from slackware |
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| 22:41.22 | bronaugh | binary: then get a card that's supported by open source properly, instead of in a half-assed manner. |
| 22:41.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it can't... well not the intel cards that we have at work |
| 22:41.29 | jtgiri | hI guys, how can I see if my apache is using prefork module or worker module ? |
| 22:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | binary, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg also makes an xorg.conf afaik, but it's very minimal |
| 22:41.45 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I expected it to |
| 22:41.51 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: but on this new installation I have it didn't |
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| 22:41.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh, i keep forgetting you're in love with non-free :) |
| 22:42.00 | tarzeau | bronaugh: wait you don't mean ati? |
| 22:42.02 | abrotman | it does play it |
| 22:42.10 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: I also entered uk keyboard layout, and it kept setting US |
| 22:42.11 | bronaugh | tarzeau: pretty much "intel" atm :/ |
| 22:42.23 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: at which point I was a little pissed |
| 22:42.28 | bronaugh | or you can run a crusty old ATI card. |
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| 22:42.43 | abrotman | bronaugh: actually .. some newer ATI cards have open drivers .. |
| 22:42.51 | tarzeau | bronaugh: can you have them twice with dual dvi output too? |
| 22:43.01 | bronaugh | abrotman: do they now? ok. |
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| 22:43.11 | bronaugh | abrotman: which ones? |
| 22:43.28 | tarzeau | just wait 5 years and you can use the open source NOUVEAU drivers |
| 22:43.28 | abrotman | bronaugh: i don't use them .. uhm .. rv500 ? |
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| 22:43.34 | bronaugh | abrotman: ok. |
| 22:43.34 | Zharf | who cares if it's open or closed if it works |
| 22:43.43 | Zharf | I'm happy with my nvidia drivers |
| 22:43.44 | tarzeau | Zharf: abrotman and binary |
| 22:43.54 | bronaugh | well; not quite. it matters if it's open or closed, but to me at least, it matters more that it worsk |
| 22:43.57 | bronaugh | works. |
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| 22:44.08 | ksnp | i keep getting *.so : could not read > symbols: File in wrong format |
| 22:44.10 | abrotman | Zharf: i'd far prefer my drivers to be open .. the company already sold the hardware |
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| 22:44.23 | tarzeau | i'd rather have a debian logo with a free font |
| 22:44.26 | ksnp | i understand this has to do with architecture ? but everything is x86 |
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| 22:44.32 | ksnp | can anhyone tell how to fix this ? |
| 22:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'd be much happier if the nvidia stuff was open source and fucking integrated into the kernel so you don't have to compile it |
| 22:45.23 | binary | CutMeOwnThroat: ++ |
| 22:45.23 | syslq78 | Just reading on fall of interest for linux netbooks. I wonder why are linux (*nix) based os'es considered to be Server/geek os, but taking look at numbers that's what they show. Good position in server market, engineering etc... and lousy in desktop area but for pet's sake if you put ubuntu on mainstream hardware it's easyer to install and use than windows.... Dunno really maybe it's the marketing or something |
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| 22:45.38 | Zharf | abrotman, they're not charging for the drivers, are they? |
| 22:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I'm happy that it works, but life could be so easy if it was in the main kernel tree |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | Zharf: they're also abandoning people as they see ift |
| 22:45.57 | abrotman | fit |
| 22:46.07 | bronaugh | Zharf: no, but they have no interest in the hardware working for more than 1-2 years after they sell it. |
| 22:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks out for any ifts that might be around |
| 22:46.23 | Zharf | all my hardware is way over 5 years old :) |
| 22:46.36 | bronaugh | nvidia's kind of an exception. they do seem to give a rat's ass. |
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| 22:46.56 | bronaugh | if *all* companies that decided to go down binary road were that good we wouldn't have problems. |
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| 22:47.33 | Zharf | sadly the open drivers are rarely any better |
| 22:47.34 | kejen | is anyone very familiar with rcconf here? |
| 22:47.41 | Zharf | alsa for example doesn't work for me at all |
| 22:47.50 | bronaugh | uh, okay? |
| 22:47.52 | Zharf | or its drivers |
| 22:47.52 | bronaugh | alsa works great for me. |
| 22:47.53 | kejen | not sure if what it's doing is normal activity |
| 22:47.54 | bronaugh | has for years. |
| 22:47.55 | tarzeau | Zharf: alsa works fine here |
| 22:48.03 | Zharf | good for you |
| 22:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | unmute! |
| 22:48.05 | tarzeau | Zharf: i can even use my usb iSub woofer |
| 22:48.06 | bronaugh | on all my hardware, a lot of which is crusty. |
| 22:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 22:48.08 | abrotman | thinks Zharf just hates free stuff |
| 22:48.09 | binary | Zharf: adduser youruser audio |
| 22:48.12 | Zharf | binary, <.< |
| 22:48.16 | Zharf | binary, I'm not an idiot |
| 22:48.19 | abrotman | erm .. Free :) |
| 22:48.19 | binary | Zharf: :P |
| 22:48.27 | Zharf | I use oss4 |
| 22:48.29 | Zharf | it works fine |
| 22:48.34 | tarzeau | Zharf: built yourself? |
| 22:48.36 | bronaugh | *shrug* |
| 22:48.36 | Zharf | yes |
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| 22:48.40 | bronaugh | sure, I imagine it works too. |
| 22:48.40 | tarzeau | or does debian finally have packages? |
| 22:48.49 | tarzeau | Zharf: did you build deb packages? |
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| 22:48.52 | Zharf | tarzeau, I tried packaging it but the build system is horrible |
| 22:49.06 | tarzeau | Zharf: what a pity, i would've liked to have your packages :) |
| 22:49.24 | Zharf | if I ever get the extra time, I might look at it again |
| 22:49.51 | tarzeau | Zharf: you have some nifty 5.1 speaker setup or something? |
| 22:50.00 | Zharf | nope |
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| 22:53.13 | polpak | Quick question, for those of you running shared hosting web servers, what's the most simple/robust way to give access to the virtual hosts' web logs to the user(s) managing that site? |
| 22:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | which rule was it again, that "quick questions" NEVER have a quick answer? |
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| 22:53.54 | polpak | I'm fine with that ;p |
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| 22:54.41 | ajavid | tarzeau, howdy |
| 22:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | polpak, "umask 0022"? |
| 22:55.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. just make all logs readable to everyone? |
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| 22:55.32 | tarzeau | ajavid: fine i was in the alps the weekend, what about you? |
| 22:55.34 | polpak | CutMeOwnThroat: that's one option.. hardly one I like best though |
| 22:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think there's some specially easy one |
| 22:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think a lot of sites just run some cron cp or chown that gives access to the user/group on a daily basis |
| 22:56.25 | polpak | CutMeOwnThroat: ideally I'd like to either tell apache what user/group to save the logs with, or have it pass it off to some other program |
| 22:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | logrotate might be your friend |
| 22:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... man logrotate /create |
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| 22:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have one create entry per virtual host, it could/would recreate files with webuser:virtualhostowner and -rw-r----- |
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| 23:00.32 | polpak | hrm |
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| 23:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | polpak, you might also ask #apache... perhaps apache2 has some nifty new options for that |
| 23:00.49 | polpak | ah. good point *sheepish* |
| 23:00.52 | squisher | hi, I haven't done this in forever, but what's the best way to select (per user) the window manager to use - for vnc, so no DM runnig |
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| 23:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I've last kind of extensively used apache when it was 1.x.x) |
| 23:01.45 | jpinx-eeepc | polpak: you save them to that users home dir |
| 23:01.53 | jpinx-eeepc | bleh - gone :( |
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| 23:01.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 23:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's true - and you could save it into a dir with suid bit set |
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| 23:10.02 | gregcoit | hello. how do i find out which package required (and pulled in) package x that's now installed |
| 23:10.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache rdepends x? |
| 23:10.52 | Joelito | hi all: how can I change the usplash theme with one from gnome-look.org? |
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| 23:11.42 | gregcoit | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
| 23:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | gregcoit, that gives you all packages from the repository, though |
| 23:12.41 | Black_Phantom | Joelito, what is the type of that theme ? |
| 23:12.46 | Black_Phantom | emerald, Gnome etc. |
| 23:13.08 | Joelito | Black_Phantom: is a usplash |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | he said .. usplash |
| 23:13.25 | gregcoit | CutMeOwnThroat: seems like it |
| 23:13.31 | Joelito | do I need update-alternative |
| 23:13.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | gregcoit, "aptitude why x" is actually more what you asked |
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| 23:15.11 | gregcoit | CutMeOwnThroat: never heard of that command - will look at that. Looks like apt-cache rdepends --installed will work too - thanks again! |
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| 23:16.20 | gregcoit | CutMeOwnThroat: or ratherm the why flag on aptitude - nice feature |
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| 23:30.09 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to make downloading in ssh to continue even closing the putty? Aside from screen.. is there another alternative? thanks |
| 23:30.28 | boxxertrumps | why is apt holding back upgrades to different packages? |
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| 23:30.50 | rhineheart_m | using wget |
| 23:34.39 | ranix | rhineheart_m: you can suspend a job with ctrl-z |
| 23:34.49 | ranix | rhineheart_m: then tell it to continue with the "bg" command |
| 23:34.56 | ranix | rhineheart_m: then later bring it back to foreground with "fg" |
| 23:35.17 | ranix | unfortunately I don't know the related manpages |
| 23:35.47 | rhineheart_m | how about -b option? do you think it would work? |
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| 23:36.50 | ranix | rhineheart_m: I don't know what will happen when the parent login is terminated |
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| 23:37.03 | ranix | rhineheart_m: I think it will continue |
| 23:37.20 | ranix | rhineheart_m: you may want to redirect stderr and stdout to a file so you can still retrieve output from a wget -b |
| 23:37.21 | rhineheart_m | thank you |
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| 23:38.22 | skellington | hey guys, finally installed debia. |
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| 23:38.25 | skellington | debian* |
| 23:38.34 | boxxertrumps | ranix: i've been wondering how to do that myself, thanks. |
| 23:38.34 | ranix | skellington: what took you so long |
| 23:38.43 | ranix | boxxertrumps: ;) no prob |
| 23:38.48 | skellington | lol, boot problems on my computer. |
| 23:38.50 | ranix | I wish I knew the manpage that handled fg and bg |
| 23:39.07 | Arrowmaster | man bash |
| 23:39.13 | skellington | i couldn't boot the installer for some reason. but i got it working. |
| 23:39.26 | Arrowmaster | job controll is handled by the shell isnt it? |
| 23:39.40 | ranix | aaaah ok thanks Arrowmaster |
| 23:39.49 | ranix | man bash then search to "job control" is it indeed |
| 23:40.08 | ranix | I keep assuming everything I type on the command line is a GNU utility |
| 23:40.11 | Arrowmaster | to keep something running after terminating the ssh session without using screen i think you want nohup |
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| 23:41.12 | smokes | hey, I just got debian up and running! |
| 23:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... "help bg" |
| 23:41.24 | skellington | smokes: high five, me too! |
| 23:41.44 | smokes | ^5@skellington |
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| 23:42.10 | smokes | however... |
| 23:42.29 | skellington | lol. mine came with so much crap apps. well, unneeded apps. |
| 23:43.05 | smokes | my cpu is acting kinda slow...I might've flubbed the installation or partitioning or...something |
| 23:43.53 | smokes | then again, is iceweasel known to slow down a cp? |
| 23:45.21 | smokes | no comment, skell? |
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| 23:45.33 | skellington | none, sorry. im new to this as well. |
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| 23:46.56 | smokes | dang, I just hope that SQL thing wasn't necessary, you wouldn't believe how slow the cp was going when I installed that the first time...had to re-install |
| 23:48.59 | smokes | what did you find unnecessary, skell? |
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| 23:49.23 | smokes | as far as apps, i mean |
| 23:49.33 | rhineheart_m | nice Idea Arrowmaster |
| 23:49.37 | skellington | open office. the two browsers. games and such |
| 23:49.40 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:49.48 | smokes | g'nite, true |
| 23:49.49 | rhineheart_m | nohup may do the trick too |
| 23:49.53 | skellington | night |
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| 23:49.57 | rhineheart_m | night2 |
| 23:50.25 | TrueDD | :) |
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| 23:50.59 | smokes | guess I'll start trying to cut fat there...bb |
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| 23:51.30 | altavatar | I upgraded to the to 2.6.28-13 from -11 and now one of my linuxraid arrays is't active. It only shows 1 drive as inactive sde1[1](S) (backup drive). When I reboot to the -11 kernel, only 1of2 drives gets picked up but at least i can make it active and re-add the other drive. Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 23:52.07 | altavatar | note: i dont actually have a slave drive, the sde1 should actually be part of the active array |
| 23:53.13 | adb | altavatar: wrong channel ? |
| 23:53.43 | altavatar | adb hm, could you recommend another? occured with a dist-upgrade so i figured others might have encountered it |
| 23:54.10 | adb | altavatar: your vendor ? |
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| 23:55.10 | altavatar | adb not sure what you mean. Im not using a HW raid device. sata drives plugged into the onboard controller. kernel upgrade broke the (soft)raid ... |
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| 23:55.46 | pipeline | altavatar: then you learned your lesson - don't fuck with hw-assist raid, get real raid :) |
| 23:56.00 | \amethyst | altavatar: I think he means whever you got that 2.6.28-13 kernel from |
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| 23:56.10 | \amethyst | wherever |
| 23:56.32 | altavatar | pipeline: not using hw-assist, this is kernel software raid |
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| 23:56.45 | altavatar | omit kernel |
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| 23:57.00 | \amethyst | omit kernel? |
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| 23:57.18 | \amethyst | oh, in "kernel software raid" |
| 23:57.32 | altavatar | basically this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 23:58.02 | \amethyst | altavatar: since the problem appeared when you upgraded the kernel, perhaps you can ask whoever made your kernel? |
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| 23:58.39 | altavatar | debian packaged it, thought this would be a good starting point =) |
| 23:58.49 | altavatar | point taken tho |
| 23:58.53 | \amethyst | altavatar: err |
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| 23:59.12 | \amethyst | altavatar: Debian has never AFAIK had a 2.6.28-13. It certainly doesn't have one in any current repository |
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| 23:59.34 | altavatar | \amethyst: ah, excellent point. sorry, this box is running ubuntu |
| 23:59.48 | \amethyst | !based on debian |
| 23:59.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
