| 00:00.12 | altavatar | \amethyst: yep, im aware, i have another debian box beside it, just got them mixed up |
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| 00:00.40 | altavatar | anyway, many thanks anyways, will try #ubuntu as a 2nd step =) |
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| 00:01.08 | smokes | good luck, alta |
| 00:01.09 | \amethyst | ToXBoT_: find | while |
| 00:01.11 | \amethyst | doh |
| 00:01.17 | \amethyst | ToXBoT_: sorry, wrong channel, wrong nick-complete |
| 00:01.53 | altavatar | thx smokes |
| 00:02.38 | smokes | !iceweasel |
| 00:02.38 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 00:03.43 | bronaugh | so wierd question but... where did qgis go? |
| 00:04.03 | bronaugh | seems to be gone from unstable and stable. |
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| 00:04.33 | smokes | hey, it worked,could someone give me a line to dpkg so i can interrogate it? |
| 00:04.59 | adb | smokes: use /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 00:05.40 | smokes | cool, thanks abd |
| 00:06.35 | \amethyst | bronaugh: |
| 00:06.40 | \amethyst | bronaugh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474604 |
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| 00:07.21 | \amethyst | bronaugh: it was removed because there was no maintainer and it was buggy |
| 00:07.41 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 00:07.46 | bronaugh | buggy is a fair enough criticism. heh. |
| 00:07.57 | bronaugh | they have a separate repo now, apparently. |
| 00:08.02 | bronaugh | gonna see how their stable stuff does. |
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| 00:12.07 | smokes | I've got 10GB free, I think the iceweasel may be causing the slow response, what browsers does debian support, anyone? |
| 00:12.41 | smokes | *other browsers |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | smokes: quite a few .. epiphany/galeon/konqueror are the major ones .. you can also get opera if you want |
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| 00:14.10 | abrotman | smokes: mixing flash+iceweasel creates a hog |
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| 00:15.17 | smokes | ah, well, I won't reject a recommendation out of hand...wink wink |
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| 00:15.43 | CcSsNET | smokes, try any of the following browsers: cli: netrik,w3m,elinks,links,lynx gui: dillo,epiphany?,konqueror,theres more try "apt-cache search web |grep browser |more" |
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| 00:17.04 | abrotman | dillo is useless |
| 00:17.16 | beardy | less is more |
| 00:17.17 | abrotman | oh .. unless you're surfing archive.org :) |
| 00:17.53 | smokes | specifically something that won't be unsupported by it's programmer, y'know, like DSL |
| 00:18.13 | smokes | lol@abrotman |
| 00:19.46 | adb | judd: versions dillo |
| 00:19.47 | judd | adb: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
| 00:20.10 | CcSsNET | judd: help |
| 00:20.11 | judd | CcSsNET: (help <name>) -- Returns the description of the configuration variable <name>. |
| 00:20.36 | CcSsNET | judd: help commands |
| 00:20.37 | judd | CcSsNET: That configuration group exists, but seems to have no help. Try "config list supybot.commands" to see if it has any children values. |
| 00:20.51 | CcSsNET | ugly bot :P |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | CcSsNET: msg the bot |
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| 00:23.36 | Dominicus | Is there an authoritative source, on how to possibly get debian installed with lvm, luks (for encryption) and raid? And does anyone know if it's even possible, or stable/reliable? |
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| 00:25.48 | CcSsNET | Dominicus, u can setup encrypted file systems at the partitioning stage. but i beleive it uses a difrent method then the one ur asking |
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| 00:36.16 | smokes | thanks for the advice, bbl |
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| 00:40.01 | Black_Phantom | yawwwnn |
| 00:40.04 | Esto | is that possible to see deboam package build options? |
| 00:40.10 | Esto | debian* |
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| 00:41.25 | gnz11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:42.17 | CcSsNET | smokes /parted |
| 00:42.23 | gnz11 | k |
| 00:42.58 | CcSsNET | and if he was encrypting his fs id hope he was wise enough not to even use a swap |
| 00:43.12 | CcSsNET | unless of course it was in a file form inside the encrypted fs |
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| 00:44.08 | Esto | anyone? |
| 00:44.19 | Esto | or build options knows only maintainer? |
| 00:44.59 | CcSsNET | esto im not sure completely but it may be possible with dpkg |
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| 00:45.58 | Esto | can't grep anything with "options" |
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| 00:46.08 | Esto | in dpkg man i mean |
| 00:46.19 | CcSsNET | brb |
| 00:46.55 | CcSsNET | type dpkg- and press tab twice |
| 00:47.00 | CcSsNET | try some of those |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | Esto: get the source package and look at the rules file |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | !tell Esto about source |
| 00:48.20 | Esto | thanks. but is that mean that regular deb does not stores any information about build options? |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | !tell Esto about debian/rules |
| 00:48.23 | CcSsNET | abrotman always makes sense :P |
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| 00:49.09 | binary | hey, does anybody know why flac123 is no longer in longer in Debian? |
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| 00:49.45 | abrotman | binary: i don't think it ever was |
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| 00:50.02 | binary | abrotman: it was in etch |
| 00:50.11 | binary | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flac123 |
| 00:50.13 | Qew | rmadison says that flac123 is still in oldstable |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | judd: versions flac123 |
| 00:50.17 | judd | abrotman: flac123 -- etch: 0.0.9-3 |
| 00:50.26 | binary | why was it removed? |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | binary: look at the qa stuff to see why |
| 00:50.46 | binary | abrotman: qa stuff? |
| 00:51.01 | CcSsNET | judd: versions pcmanfm |
| 00:51.02 | judd | CcSsNET: pcmanfm -- etch: 0.3.2.2-1 lenny: 0.5-3 sid: 0.5.1+svn20090607-1 squeeze: 0.5.1+svn20090607-1 |
| 00:52.02 | Black_Phantom | out, good night all |
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| 00:52.09 | CcSsNET | judd: versions mrxvt |
| 00:52.10 | judd | CcSsNET: mrxvt -- etch: 0.5.2-2 lenny: 0.5.3-2 sid: 0.5.3-2 squeeze: 0.5.3-2 |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | CcSsNET: please msg the bot |
| 00:52.33 | binary | abrotman: where can I find the qa stuff? |
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| 00:52.40 | Qew | binary: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=407547 |
| 00:52.48 | abrotman | binary: it's linked on the packages.debian.org page .. but i don't see an actual reason .. just that it was removed |
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| 00:53.16 | binary | I'm orphaning flac123 due to lack of interest in this package. |
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| 00:53.23 | binary | shakes head |
| 00:53.25 | binary | that's a shame |
| 00:53.36 | abrotman | binary: try music123 |
| 00:53.55 | binary | abrotman: okay |
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| 00:56.46 | binary | abrotman: how do I play flacs with music123? |
| 00:56.55 | binary | abrotman: I tried ogg123, but it complains |
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| 00:57.02 | bronaugh | </troll> |
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| 00:57.19 | abrotman | binary: the description tells you to install vorbis-tools |
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| 00:57.31 | Zharf | I use mplayer for any one-shot music file playing |
| 00:57.37 | Zharf | and xmms2 for everything else |
| 00:57.45 | binary | abrotman: I have vorbis-tools installed |
| 00:57.48 | bronaugh | yeah, uh, mplayer sucks less than the alternatives. |
| 00:57.56 | hardbop200 | hi all! I'm running grml (Debian unstable, basically). things are fine, but when trying to compile apps I get "C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ...I've been Googling, and it seems to point at gcc or cpp not being installed, but they are (build-essential). does someone have any pointers? |
| 00:57.57 | bronaugh | works pretty well tbh. |
| 00:58.07 | bronaugh | I use amarok for the other stuff. |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | binary: i'm only reading the descriptoin .. it says it works |
| 00:58.16 | bronaugh | Zharf: how's xmms2 doing these days? |
| 00:58.26 | binary | abrotman: :-/ sadly it doesn't seem to |
| 00:58.30 | Zharf | bronaugh, still lacking a good client for the "regular" users |
| 00:58.39 | bronaugh | ugh. |
| 00:58.43 | bronaugh | so it's stagnated eh. |
| 00:58.46 | Zharf | no |
| 00:59.00 | binary | to install Amarok I have to install like a load of KDE crap, eww |
| 00:59.17 | bronaugh | whatever. |
| 00:59.17 | Qew | try audacious then |
| 00:59.21 | Zharf | hardly any of use devs just care about regular users :) (or we just suck at user interface design, I fall into the both categories) |
| 00:59.23 | binary | herrie is nice, but only supports mp3 and ogg |
| 00:59.27 | Zharf | s/use/us/ |
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| 00:59.30 | binary | Qew: I did, it sucks |
| 00:59.35 | Qew | bah, I want my xmms back ;) |
| 00:59.41 | bronaugh | heh |
| 00:59.50 | binary | Qew: :) |
| 00:59.50 | Zharf | I'm content with the CLI and I have no interest in writing a "user interface for regulars" for it |
| 00:59.57 | Qew | binary, but you want flac123... that's not exactly any better |
| 01:00.00 | bronaugh | just installed 1000 packages in one go... whee |
| 01:00.10 | bronaugh | cat pkglist.txt | xargs apt-get -y install |
| 01:00.13 | binary | Qew: I just wanna be able to play flacs in my command line |
| 01:00.17 | binary | :'( |
| 01:00.31 | Zharf | xmms2 |
| 01:00.33 | Zharf | :< |
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| 01:00.36 | binary | I wish herrie had flac support |
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| 01:00.55 | Qew | binary, try moc |
| 01:01.01 | abrotman | audacious ? |
| 01:01.03 | binary | Qew: okay |
| 01:01.08 | Zharf | xmms2-launcher; xmms2 clear; xmms2 add my/flacs/foo.flac ; xmms2 play |
| 01:01.08 | binary | abrotman: audacious, tried it, sucks |
| 01:01.24 | binary | Zharf: seems a bit overkill, but I may try that |
| 01:01.28 | binary | but first moc |
| 01:01.45 | bronaugh | in terms of "works for average users" amarok seems to be the winner. |
| 01:01.51 | bronaugh | either that or, sadly, xmms1 |
| 01:01.58 | Zharf | binary, it's of course a fully operational music player, it does a lot more than just play a single file |
| 01:02.27 | binary | Zharf: I know |
| 01:02.54 | binary | Mmm moc |
| 01:03.00 | binary | yeah that's the kind of thing I was looking for |
| 01:03.11 | Qew | yeah, but moc can play anything and is a commandline app |
| 01:03.17 | Qew | sort of like mc for music ;) |
| 01:03.19 | binary | Qew: ncurses is nice |
| 01:03.25 | binary | Qew: yeah :) |
| 01:03.28 | Zharf | ncurses is anything but nice |
| 01:03.34 | binary | Zharf: why? |
| 01:03.35 | Zharf | from a programmers point of view anyway :) |
| 01:04.01 | binary | Zharf: ahh yeah, fair enough, I've got to say, I'm only beginning to do programming, but it didn't look terribly nice |
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| 01:04.12 | binary | Zharf: but from a user's perspective it is nice |
| 01:04.22 | Zharf | on occasion |
| 01:04.34 | Zharf | anyway |
| 01:04.38 | Zharf | time to sleep |
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| 01:04.52 | binary | Zharf: goodnight |
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| 01:06.11 | binary | woah trying to use moc with colour mode disabled is fail |
| 01:06.18 | binary | enables colour |
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| 01:10.32 | rbparten | Any pointers for Java plugin for iceweasel? |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | 32bit or 64bit ? |
| 01:11.13 | rbparten | 32bit |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | there is the sun-java6-plugin package |
| 01:11.40 | rbparten | Thank you |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | or the gcj package |
| 01:11.56 | rbparten | which do you recommend I use? |
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| 01:13.27 | abrotman | the gcj works for some sites .. the sun one on more |
| 01:13.29 | lafrance | the path for imagemagick in debian is it same as centos /usr/bin ? |
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| 01:16.56 | abrotman | lafrance: you mean one of the components ? |
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| 01:17.15 | lafrance | yes for gallery |
| 01:17.35 | lafrance | and joomla component scosial |
| 01:18.04 | lafrance | Social |
| 01:18.32 | pl4yer0ne | lafrance, try "which gallery" |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | did you install the package yet? |
| 01:18.46 | lafrance | gallery2 |
| 01:19.03 | lafrance | imagemagick yes all over the place |
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| 01:19.19 | pl4yer0ne | or apt-file list imagemagick |
| 01:19.27 | lafrance | thank you |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | or you can dpkg -L foo .. if it's installed |
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| 01:20.53 | pl4yer0ne | or just call it without full path if its in your $PATH |
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| 01:23.54 | koalies | what's the customary mono-less equivalent of tomboy? |
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| 01:24.48 | koalies | oh, nevermind. gnote it is, I guess. |
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| 01:25.16 | lafrance | abrotman, thanks that did the trick another command to save :) |
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| 01:32.01 | rafaelgp | hello. i have eth0 up, how could i add ip aliases into it using 'ip'? |
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| 01:33.22 | rhodan | is there a way to find out which subdomains an internet site has? |
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| 01:34.00 | dkr | rhodan: zone transfer if they haven't disabled it |
| 01:34.04 | dondelelcaro | rhodan: if you're on the machine, sure. |
| 01:34.56 | rafaelgp | please anyone.i have eth0 up, how could i add ip aliases? |
| 01:35.32 | dkr | rafaelgp: add a new entry for eth0:0 to your interfaces file |
| 01:35.43 | dkr | and eth0:1 etc |
| 01:36.48 | rafaelgp | i was told doing that using 'ip' is better |
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| 01:39.59 | rhodan | dkr: because there is this site that has at least two subdomains, both are recursively wgettable. i'm currently downloading that whone thing. and, yes, it's porn. |
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| 01:40.16 | rhodan | tons of it |
| 01:40.37 | magyar | hi all, which imap server is best for large maildir's? |
| 01:40.55 | rhodan | i'll go to #debian-offtopic if you want |
| 01:42.25 | SuperMiguel | how do i format my drive fat32? using debian |
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| 01:44.01 | rafaelgp | SuperMiguel man fdisk |
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| 01:46.33 | SuperMiguel | rafaelgp, there are few fat32 |
| 01:46.42 | SuperMiguel | will i pick b? |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat |
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| 01:47.09 | magyar | do i need to change anything in apt-get for point releases? |
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| 01:47.34 | abrotman | no |
| 01:47.46 | rafaelgp | SuperMiguel i am not used with fdisk, you may wanna read its documentation |
| 01:48.13 | magyar | so point-release is only referenced to "install media" |
| 01:48.23 | magyar | ? |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | and the system also knows .. |
| 01:48.46 | magyar | i meant in /etc/apt/source.kist |
| 01:48.58 | magyar | s/kist/list |
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| 01:49.14 | abrotman | no, you don't need to do anything |
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| 01:49.41 | magyar | so what is "lennyr2" |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | it's 5.0.2 |
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| 01:50.27 | magyar | so in /etc/apt/source.list instead of "lenny" i would do "lennyr2"? |
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| 01:51.25 | magyar | the question is, how do i upgrade to 5.0.2? |
| 01:51.38 | abrotman | you probably already have |
| 01:51.43 | magyar | hmm |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | magyar: i told you three times now .. you don't hve to do anything to your sources.list |
| 01:52.32 | magyar | sry, didnt get through |
| 01:52.57 | jpinx-eeepc | me did the upgrade to lenny 5.0.2 the other day without touching anything |
| 01:53.02 | magyar | i read the topic and msg dpkg, so i got lost |
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| 01:53.13 | magyar | hahaha |
| 01:53.16 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: it's a doddle |
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| 01:53.49 | magyar | jpinx-eeepc: you da man |
| 01:54.09 | magyar | one last question for today: |
| 01:54.10 | Qew | magyar: if you check /etc/debian_version it'll tell you what version you currently have |
| 01:54.22 | magyar | cyrus or courier imapd? |
| 01:54.52 | magyar | Qew: 5.0.2 |
| 01:55.02 | Qew | there you go, you're up to date |
| 01:55.03 | magyar | that was easy as pie |
| 01:55.17 | Qew | you already did it |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | magyar: courier vs cyrus isn't that easy ... also consider dovecot if it fits your needs |
| 01:55.26 | magyar | that should be on the bot, for dummies |
| 01:55.34 | abrotman | !version |
| 01:55.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 01:55.36 | abrotman | happy ? |
| 01:55.51 | magyar | uh-huh |
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| 01:56.08 | magyar | like pig and shiat |
| 01:56.10 | magyar | -_- |
| 01:57.04 | magyar | courier is beginning to act up on me, i get errors that even google doesn't have no hots |
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| 01:57.22 | magyar | s/hots/hits |
| 01:57.57 | koalies | <sifty> hi -- I've gotten the installer from goodbyemicrosoft.com -- I'm currently on winxp, on a 250 gb hdd (5 partitions; each partition being about 75% full) - and I'm going for a dual-boot, is all of this possible with the installer from goodbyemicrosoft.com? I mean, will paritioning/resizing be taken care of somewhere within this procedure? :( |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | there is a courier channel on freenode |
| 01:58.03 | magyar | on a delete action in Thunderbird |
| 01:58.30 | magyar | i need to try it in the morning, Perl usually there |
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| 01:59.21 | jpinx-eeepc | koalies: read the notes carefully - I thought that was a system to *replace* windows, not create dual-boot |
| 01:59.26 | magyar | but it kind of creeps me out, that the errors that it's spewing are not listed anywhere |
| 01:59.32 | Sark | hey, adb - you around? |
| 01:59.43 | Sark | I figured out why my machine was running so slow :) |
| 02:00.04 | magyar | do tell |
| 02:00.12 | magyar | the saspence is killong me |
| 02:00.17 | magyar | suspence |
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| 02:00.40 | magyar | suspense |
| 02:00.41 | Sark | maygar - are you familiar with the box of which I speak? I know I've been in here talking to adb about it. |
| 02:00.42 | magyar | .bahh |
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| 02:01.14 | magyar | nope |
| 02:01.25 | magyar | but hey, why not share |
| 02:01.41 | Sark | It's this older PC. I loaded the latest version of Debian on it, barebones, no X, no nothing. Just base system. |
| 02:02.03 | magyar | hmm, should work |
| 02:02.07 | koalies | jpinx-eeepc, well, the "demo video" on http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ somewhere says "you'll be asked whether you want to completely replace windows or still have it there" - I was wondering to what extent that's supported in the process |
| 02:02.10 | Sark | But it was running really, really slow. I mean unbearably slow. So bad that when I typed things in ircII, it took a while to echo the characters back to me. |
| 02:02.14 | magyar | if not, than netbsd it |
| 02:02.20 | Sark | And it took a half an hour to boot. |
| 02:02.45 | Sark | And I know that this box is old. But still. I should be able to run vi in relative speed... |
| 02:02.53 | koalies | And, the reason I'm using the http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ installer is because my CD/DVD-drive doesn't work (due to some mechanical failure) - if you've any other suggestions on how I should go about it, I'd be interested in hearing it :) |
| 02:03.20 | Sark | So, anyway I kept thinking I was running out of RAM. I was doing whatever I could to reduce the memory footprint. |
| 02:03.37 | Sark | Well, in testing, I wound up *removing* half the RAM. And now it runs great. |
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| 02:03.57 | magyar | bad ram, on old systems try memetest before install |
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| 02:04.00 | Sark | So, a system that ran dog slow with 32meg, runs great on 16 megs. |
| 02:04.06 | Sark | I did. Memtest ran fine. |
| 02:04.13 | magyar | ouch |
| 02:04.44 | Sark | Now, I mean, it's still slow. There's no fixing that. But it's perfectly usable, and runs just how it is supposed to now... |
| 02:04.51 | magyar | Sark: on old systems like that BSD is the best way to go |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | Sark: you might want to try that other single stick in the machine |
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| 02:05.15 | Sark | Hehe. It's four sticks. No way of knowing which it is. |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | how old is that hting? a 486 ? |
| 02:05.51 | magyar | i found that my old mandrake 8.2 and pentium cpu with 64MB of ram was working as a dog |
| 02:05.53 | Sark | 486/33mhz |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | oh .. you were in here the other day |
| 02:06.08 | Sark | Yeah. |
| 02:06.28 | magyar | Sark, try the 2.2 kernels, they might fit that system better |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:06.36 | magyar | eheeh |
| 02:06.42 | Sark | And adb couldn't figure it out, since he's running macs that are about the same era and his run fine. |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | Sark: yeah, i have a DX/2 66 that runs it reasonably well |
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| 02:07.13 | Sark | magyar - it's running great now, even with 2.6 I've got no complaints. |
| 02:07.16 | magyar | abrotman: stock kernel? |
| 02:07.19 | Heyuxiang | Hehe |
| 02:07.24 | Holborn | ummh ... check your HD DMA settings with hdparm ... maybe can not be set correctly with olders HD controllers .. |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | magyar: the etch 2.6 IIRC |
| 02:07.41 | Sark | After removing that bad ram it runs great. Stock kernel and everything. Geesh, recompiling the kernel on this would take a week. |
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| 02:07.55 | Heyuxiang | Flood me ? |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | Heyuxiang: do you have a Debian question? |
| 02:08.10 | magyar | or better yet, your local Salvation Army, they have Pentium 3's |
| 02:09.01 | Heyuxiang | I watch here, atm don't have any question |
| 02:09.03 | magyar | 486. Pentiums and PII's are shit |
| 02:09.21 | magyar | I'll take an old spark or ppc anytime over that crap |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 02:09.37 | ajavid | sparc |
| 02:09.40 | ajavid | ffs. |
| 02:09.41 | Sark | I've got pleny of Sparcs and PowerPC stuff too. SGI iron as well. |
| 02:09.46 | magyar | bahh |
| 02:09.49 | Sark | I'm allowed to play with 486's too :) |
| 02:09.50 | Heyuxiang | Magyar: what isn't shit, then? |
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| 02:10.02 | magyar | microsoft |
| 02:10.09 | magyar | not yet |
| 02:10.18 | Holborn | lol |
| 02:10.43 | magyar | adaptec too, while we're at it |
| 02:10.50 | Heyuxiang | m¥ shit? |
| 02:10.52 | magyar | f-in hate those mofos |
| 02:11.03 | Sark | Actually, I've got an MVME 68k box in the basement I've been fooling with. I just repaired the NVRAM module, so I'm working on getting an OS installed. Easier said than done... |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 02:11.30 | Sark | I'm going with NetBSD for that one though. 25mhz and 8meg does not a happy Linux box make. |
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| 02:11.53 | Heyuxiang | I'm always sleepy, why? |
| 02:12.00 | Sark | not enough coffee |
| 02:12.01 | Sark | ? |
| 02:12.02 | magyar | thats tourture, ot lots of free time |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | Heyuxiang: please be quiet if you don't have a debian question |
| 02:12.12 | horacio | hi there |
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| 02:13.00 | Heyuxiang | Ok, big brother is watching me, I have to be careful |
| 02:13.04 | Sark | magyar - I like old computers. What can I say? Modern stuff is just boring :) |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | Heyuxiang: then just be quiet |
| 02:13.37 | horacio | i have the .iso of lenny.. is it possible to mount it and then use it as apt-cache source? |
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| 02:14.46 | magyar | Sark: nothing like a model 5150 |
| 02:14.59 | TheCoffeMaker | horacio, yes |
| 02:15.02 | abrotman | magyar: Sark : #debian-offtopic |
| 02:15.19 | magyar | sry |
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| 02:16.45 | broffmann | Hi. I'm hoping to use perl cgi with apache2. Are there any websites which explain the debian way? |
| 02:17.13 | abrotman | probably just install the modperl stuff and enable it |
| 02:17.31 | broffmann | ok i'm looking at it, thanks |
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| 02:19.40 | koalies | a stupid question: on a stable lenny (with the default kde3), how would one go about getting kde4? any links or anything? I'd just like to be pushed to the right direction :\ |
| 02:19.41 | magyar | anywho, why was 2.6.29 removed from Sid, when 2.6.30 is fuckuped? |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | koalies: ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:20.11 | magyar | koalies: you don;t wana do that |
| 02:20.19 | koalies | magyar, hm? |
| 02:20.22 | magyar | warning |
| 02:20.31 | koalies | would you like to be less vague? |
| 02:20.35 | magyar | 4, is very buggy |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | koalies: please go ask #debian-kde on OFTC |
| 02:20.53 | koalies | will do, thanks. |
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| 02:21.50 | magyar | so my question is , why is 2.6.29 was completely wiped from the repos? |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | you could still get it |
| 02:22.41 | Heyuxiang | Magyar: because 30 is coming |
| 02:22.41 | magyar | do tell, i tried everything |
| 02:23.00 | magyar | Heyuxiang: please, so is christmas |
| 02:23.36 | gnz11 | magyar because sid is cutting edge code like .10 in ubuntu |
| 02:23.45 | magyar | unlike Sark, I am on the other extreem end |
| 02:24.10 | magyar | Core i7 8GB ram radeon 4890 |
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| 02:24.26 | gnz11 | can't find out what doesn't work until you install it |
| 02:24.37 | Heyuxiang | mayyar: I use arch and there is 30.1 and FF3.5 |
| 02:24.45 | magyar | 2.6.26 is more than half years old |
| 02:25.25 | magyar | Heyuxiang: Sid is where i stop, even that is deadly for your health |
| 02:25.38 | gnz11 | sid is the test repos. if it works they move it to debian or ubuntu gets it |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 02:26.39 | Heyuxiang | magyar: lol, arch is not a branch of debian. |
| 02:26.46 | magyar | i just want my video card and kde to work |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | Heyuxiang: i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 02:27.37 | magyar | using windows XP and rebooting it every two days is no fun |
| 02:28.00 | abrotman | magyar: offtopic .. again |
| 02:28.07 | Heyuxiang | magyar: then, mac os x |
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| 02:28.34 | Heyuxiang | Abrotman: please... |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | Heyuxiang: no, really ... please stop |
| 02:29.56 | Heyuxiang | Ok |
| 02:30.16 | Heyuxiang | I looooooooveeeeeee debian |
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| 02:30.38 | lcuk2 | is debian better than windows? |
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| 02:32.39 | Heyuxiang | lcuk2: watch out, |
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| 02:32.41 | gasull | Hi. ssh shows the error "Could not resolve hostname example.com" while Firefox, w3m and dig do find the hostname. How can I flush it? |
| 02:32.50 | Heyuxiang | there is a big brother |
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| 02:33.09 | genoobie | okay, my laptop is hanging on Looking for CD in /dev/hda |
| 02:33.11 | genoobie | tips? |
| 02:33.16 | genoobie | knoppix live! |
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| 02:33.28 | abrotman | genoobie: please go to #knoppix for Knoppix support |
| 02:33.57 | genoobie | okay, I just thought someone here may have experienced this 1st hand |
| 02:33.59 | Heyuxiang | ohh ,man knoppix is related to debian |
| 02:34.13 | Heyuxiang | Come on |
| 02:34.16 | gasull | Is there any channel for ssh-specific help? |
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| 02:34.32 | abrotman | Heyuxiang: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 02:34.52 | Tramp | gasull: I think there is #(#)openssh |
| 02:34.53 | abrotman | gasull: there is a #openssh or you can try here if the OS is Debian |
| 02:35.12 | genoobie | okay then I'm looking for a distro with *really* good and relatively current HW detection |
| 02:35.13 | genoobie | tips? |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | how new is the hardware? |
| 02:35.34 | genoobie | about 1.5 yrs |
| 02:35.39 | genoobie | maybe almost 2 |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | lenny should be fine |
| 02:35.43 | gasull | Tramp, abrotman: thanks. my problem is that ssh cannot resolv the hostname I'm using, while other apps do |
| 02:35.55 | abrotman | gasull: tried host/dig/nslookup ? |
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| 02:36.16 | gasull | abrotman: dig finds it |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | i meant have you tried all three |
| 02:36.55 | genoobie | abrotman, I'm looking for a LIVE cd |
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| 02:37.04 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:37.04 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 02:37.16 | genoobie | okay fine thx |
| 02:37.29 | gasull | abrotman: all them three find the hostname |
| 02:37.34 | Tramp | host/dig/nslookup all query DNS. His app uses the resolver. |
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| 02:37.52 | abrotman | i thought host didn't |
| 02:38.12 | gasull | Tramp, abrotman: I have dnsmasq installed |
| 02:38.31 | Tramp | I think there are different "host" utilities. Mine says "host - DNS lookup utility" |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | gasull: what's the actual error ssh gives ? |
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| 02:40.39 | gasull | abrotman: Nevermind. I was trying ssh git@example.com:example/example.git. It works after removing everything from the colon on |
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| 02:40.56 | abrotman | gasull: that's an scp command .. not ssh AFAIK |
| 02:41.01 | gasull | abrotman, Tramp: thanks though |
| 02:41.20 | gasull | abrotman: yeah. copy&paste from a git command. Nevermind |
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| 02:41.43 | clarity_ | how can i remap [ and ] to ( ) respectively |
| 02:41.45 | clarity_ | ? |
| 02:41.51 | clarity_ | keyboard layout |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | X or console ? |
| 02:42.16 | clarity_ | x |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | xmodmap |
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| 02:44.04 | edju | Is it possible to install KDE 3.5 on testing? Not asking for a howto - just yes or no. |
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| 02:44.27 | abrotman | edju: i'm sure if you spent way more time than was worth .. you could do it .. |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | edju: i haven't heard of anyone successfully doing it .. but more than a few have tried |
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| 02:45.45 | edju | That's what I thought - oh, well - back to lenny, then. |
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| 02:47.42 | mosno | edju: why did you leave lenny in the first place? |
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| 03:03.14 | phorce1 | fstab line has defaults,user ---- why would drives with those options end up ,ounted *noexec*? |
| 03:03.23 | phorce1 | hmmm, fstab has defaults,user on all my "storage" drives. Mount "defaults" should be "rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async" so they SHOULD all be mounted *exec* |
| 03:04.17 | phorce1 | /dev/sdc1 on /320 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 03:05.10 | SuperMiguel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.28 | Tramp | phorce1: man mount tells you, what happens when you mount with "user" |
| 03:06.06 | phorce1 | Tramp: re-reading to see what I missed |
| 03:06.11 | phorce1 | Tramp: thx |
| 03:06.15 | bmxdude0 | how can I get iptables to log to a file and nowhere else? |
| 03:06.16 | Tramp | yw |
| 03:06.20 | bmxdude0 | Ive tried ULOG |
| 03:07.02 | abrotman | there is a #iptables |
| 03:09.15 | Tramp | bmxdude0: well, ULOG and then ulogd configured properly should do it - not, that I have ever done it. |
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| 03:15.17 | phorce1 | is surprised he hasn't noticed that before. It had to have been broken since moving /home to a bew drive weeks ago |
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| 03:26.10 | bmxdude0 | what would handle logrotation for ulogd? |
| 03:26.25 | bmxdude0 | and how can I add, say, the contents of a logfile to my daily report |
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| 03:27.23 | Twister | whats a fast debian based distro other than mint and ubuntu? |
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| 03:33.21 | Rusty1 | Guest65939: http://crunchbanglinux.org/ popular with the local LUG |
| 03:33.38 | mp3encode | hello |
| 03:33.43 | mp3encode | got a prblem :\ |
| 03:34.31 | mp3encode | a cmd doesn't run when i put it in cron - it invokes curl to logon and send POST params to website. here's the syntax of the crontab entry: |
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| 03:34.53 | mp3encode | * * * * * /usr/bin/curl -u 'usr:psw contain non alphanum chars' -d "a POST parameter value/string specific to the site - sometimes contains `date` cmd for timestamping the string" http://desiredwebsite.com/app/path > /home/usr/testout2 2>&1 |
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| 03:35.23 | James_ | Rusty i tried crunchbang linux i didnt like it |
| 03:35.25 | shivraj | Rusty1: and ? |
| 03:35.28 | mp3encode | if the string is not clear - ask me any question u like |
| 03:35.41 | mp3encode | other cmds in crontab work fine !!!! |
| 03:36.10 | shivraj | Rusty1: name sounds a lot liek gang bang |
| 03:36.13 | James_ | im looking for something that uses "sudo apt-get install program" in the terminal cause its what im use to |
| 03:36.20 | mp3encode | lol he said gangbang |
| 03:36.24 | shivraj | are you sure you guys are not having a huge ORGY at that LUG |
| 03:36.26 | mp3encode | mmmmmmm gang bahang |
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| 03:36.40 | mp3encode | LUG cannot withstand any orgies - |
| 03:37.06 | adb | !ot |
| 03:37.06 | mp3encode | the sexual makeup of their members is such that it would be a physical impossibility for an orgy to break out at a LUG |
| 03:37.06 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:37.23 | shivraj | James_: what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:37.29 | mp3encode | i got a crontab problem |
| 03:37.51 | James_ | find a distro for me |
| 03:37.59 | James_ | ive tried like over 20 |
| 03:38.13 | mp3encode | while other command works this command doesn't: * * * * * /usr/bin/curl -u 'usr: psw contain non alphanum chars' -d "a POST parameter value/string specific to the site - sometimes contains `date` cmd for timestamping the string" http://desiredwebsite.com/app/path > /home/usr/testout2 2>&1 |
| 03:38.39 | shivraj | James_: just use Debian your problems will be solved |
| 03:38.46 | shivraj | James_: what dont you liek about Debian ? |
| 03:38.46 | mp3encode | james_ : use debian or distros based off of it |
| 03:39.19 | mp3encode | james: there are a ton of distros based on debian that use apt-get like mepis or knoppix (one of either) , lamp distro, ubuntu |
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| 03:39.41 | James_ | ubuntu sucks for me |
| 03:39.46 | mp3encode | hahahaha his name is subir |
| 03:39.50 | James_ | debian wont parition my hd |
| 03:39.53 | James_ | mint is boring |
| 03:39.57 | mp3encode | lol he said "sucks" |
| 03:39.59 | James_ | thats all ive tried |
| 03:40.06 | James_ | sucks bad |
| 03:40.08 | mp3encode | why not try debian |
| 03:40.12 | shivraj | James_: you're kidding me |
| 03:40.14 | mp3encode | lol he said "sucks" agin |
| 03:40.15 | James_ | slower then vista |
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| 03:40.23 | salahuddin | james_: I using debian from last 3 years (and happy with it), before it I have tried 15 distro redhat, slackware, suse etc. |
| 03:40.25 | mp3encode | james: your RAM=? |
| 03:40.27 | shivraj | James_: debian has a good partitioner, it will even resize a windows partition |
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| 03:40.39 | mp3encode | lol he used slackware |
| 03:40.39 | James_ | not mine |
| 03:40.40 | shivraj | James_: why wont it partition ? |
| 03:40.46 | James_ | neither will fedora |
| 03:40.46 | shivraj | James_: driver ? |
| 03:40.56 | James_ | what driver? |
| 03:40.56 | shivraj | James_: is it a sata hd ? |
| 03:40.58 | mp3encode | lol he said drive 'er |
| 03:40.59 | James_ | yea |
| 03:41.10 | James_ | mp3encode whats so funny |
| 03:41.22 | mp3encode | drive 'er |
| 03:41.27 | shivraj | James_: I think mp3encode is smoking crack |
| 03:41.33 | James_ | lol |
| 03:41.38 | mp3encode | look all i want is sum crontab help |
| 03:41.47 | Rusty1 | shivraj: IIRC there was a new release of it, and the LUG ppl were just trying it out mostly on netbooks |
| 03:41.51 | mp3encode | while other command works this command doesn't: * * * * * /usr/bin/curl -u 'usr: psw contain non alphanum chars' -d "a POST parameter value/string specific to the site - sometimes contains `date` cmd for timestamping the string" http://desiredwebsite.com/app/path > /home/usr/testout2 2>&1 |
| 03:42.06 | James_ | i liked debian alot |
| 03:42.17 | James_ | best distro ive tried but it wont partition my hd lol |
| 03:42.30 | mp3encode | james: dude - use LVM |
| 03:42.40 | mp3encode | logical volume manager - and have fun |
| 03:42.48 | mp3encode | now let them turn to my erudite question |
| 03:43.09 | shivraj | James_: why dont it partition your hd ? |
| 03:43.20 | shivraj | James_: make sure you are using a cd with the latest kernel |
| 03:43.24 | James_ | ask debian developers idk lol |
| 03:43.34 | James_ | im using debian 5 lenny |
| 03:43.48 | mp3encode | i am sure there are lot of disk partition packages and tools for debian |
| 03:43.59 | mp3encode | this guy is a TROLL I says , a TROOOOLL |
| 03:44.04 | shivraj | mp3encode: crontab -e, check google |
| 03:44.31 | mp3encode | shivraj: i don't appreciate your presumption. i've done a ton of reading and searching before i came here |
| 03:44.47 | mp3encode | tried many different commands and tests - you obviously haven't read the question |
| 03:45.04 | mp3encode | there's a complex command that fails - unlike other commands in crontab |
| 03:45.32 | mp3encode | it's complex because it must POST to a website paramters that may include non alpha-num chars - so i may have a quoting or even a redirecting problem here |
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| 03:46.25 | buu | Do you think he's trying to tell us something? |
| 03:46.45 | mp3encode | i've expanded the full paths of the command (curl) and the logfile where i test stdout and stderr and timestamp any output |
| 03:46.58 | mp3encode | so any help? |
| 03:47.05 | mp3encode | shall i post the command syntax again ? |
| 03:47.14 | mp3encode | maybe i'm missing something obvious !!1 |
| 03:47.55 | mp3encode | while other command works this command doesn't: * * * * * /usr/bin/curl -u 'usr: psw contain non alphanum chars' -d "a POST parameter value/string specific to the site - sometimes contains `date` cmd for timestamping the string" http://acmenot.com/app/path > /home/usr/testout2 2>&1 |
| 03:48.11 | salahuddin | mp3encode: write the commands in a bash scrip and call that bash script from crontab |
| 03:48.14 | mp3encode | this is the entry in crontab - any obvious badness in it ? |
| 03:48.35 | mp3encode | mind u th ecommand works directly on the shell - but not from cron |
| 03:49.03 | mp3encode | so this command is AOK and works FINE when run on the shell, eg, /usr/bin/curl -u 'usr: psw contain non alphanum chars' -d "a POST parameter value/string specific to the site - sometimes contains `date` cmd for timestamping the string" http://acmenot.com/app/path > /home/usr/testout2 2>&1 |
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| 03:50.10 | mp3encode | any help wud be greatly appreciated as this channel usually gives up some great helps |
| 03:50.50 | salahuddin | mp3encode: 0 23 * * * /root/./your_bash_script (write the commands in your_bash_script). do not for to give chmod 777 (according your security policy). |
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| 03:51.32 | shivraj | mp3encode: put the command in an executable file, and put the file in crontab as salahuddin says |
| 03:51.32 | mp3encode | no username was needed because the entry is for the USER's crontab filoe |
| 03:51.39 | mp3encode | not the regular /etc/crontab file |
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| 03:52.15 | mp3encode | but i'm trying your idea now |
| 03:52.46 | salahuddin | mp3encode: /etc/crontab generally where we edit and set it via crontab command. But actually the system read crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root (if you run crontab as root) |
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| 03:55.54 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 03:56.11 | echosystm | i'm installing debian from USB and i need to mount the usb drive as cdrom |
| 03:56.26 | echosystm | i have sda, sdb and sdb1 |
| 03:56.32 | echosystm | how can i tell which one is the usb drive? |
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| 03:57.37 | \amethyst | echosystm: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 03:58.31 | \amethyst | echosystm: you should have something like usb-MODEL_SERIAL -> sdb or sda |
| 03:58.38 | echosystm | cheers |
| 03:58.39 | echosystm | :) |
| 03:59.13 | echosystm | oh dear |
| 03:59.20 | echosystm | both ar the usb drive |
| 03:59.26 | echosystm | sdb and sdb1 |
| 03:59.35 | echosystm | o_O |
| 03:59.50 | \amethyst | echosystm: sdb is the entire drive, sdb1 is the partition |
| 03:59.55 | echosystm | oh |
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| 04:00.03 | echosystm | of course |
| 04:00.08 | echosystm | haha, sorry |
| 04:00.30 | echosystm | im rusty, haven't used linux in years |
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| 04:07.23 | Theoden | http://98.234.161.226/kde-424-Lenny.png |
| 04:09.03 | mp3encode | i found out the problem |
| 04:09.27 | mp3encode | as i suspected cron messed confusing one of the characters in the paramter string , which include % signs |
| 04:09.50 | mp3encode | i get this syntax error , line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' |
| 04:10.23 | mp3encode | don't kno how to get around this prblm . - i did put the command in a script by itself to be invoked in crontab , still no success :( |
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| 04:11.03 | mp3encode | mebbe linuxwizard will help me |
| 04:11.12 | mp3encode | blink |
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| 04:11.23 | salahuddin | mp3encode: check the links they have used rsync from a bash script for crontab http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html |
| 04:11.42 | mp3encode | salahuddin: thanks !! |
| 04:12.00 | ajavid | salahuddin, great name |
| 04:12.31 | salahuddin | ajavid: :) |
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| 04:16.07 | owen1 | what's the name of the text-based app to control boot processes? |
| 04:17.01 | Tramp | mp3encode: man 5 crontab will tell you that you can escape %s |
| 04:17.58 | Tramp | owen1: maybe you talk about rcconf |
| 04:18.12 | owen1 | yes thanks |
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| 04:25.10 | salahuddin | maxagaz: # netstat -nplt |
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| 04:33.04 | freenose | Hi, do you guys know of a nice CLI jabber cliento to use with gtalk? |
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| 04:35.25 | craigevil | freenose: check out finch its the CLI version of pidgin |
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| 04:37.27 | bullgard4 | How to configure the Nautilus layout so that it will alway open with the current settings? (At the moment it always opens with a too narrow column 'Name'.) |
| 04:37.33 | freenose | craigevil: ok, thx. |
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| 04:54.04 | phillipsm | does anybody know if md5 hashes are available for any of the netinstall downloads from debian.org? |
| 04:54.12 | phillipsm | i can't seem to find them on the site or google |
| 04:54.41 | Arrowmaster | should be gpg signatures i think |
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| 04:55.35 | phillipsm | hmm...i dont see anything on there about gpg or md5 |
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| 04:57.12 | jmarsden | phillipsm: there is an MD5SUMS file that has the m4d sums in it... |
| 04:57.36 | jmarsden | See http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ for example... |
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| 04:57.50 | jmarsden | It is not in the netinst dir but higher up the tree. |
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| 04:58.55 | salahuddin | bullgard4: try with the gnome configuration editor. |
| 04:59.29 | bullgard4 | salahuddin: I will give it a try. |
| 04:59.30 | phillipsm | jmarsden: ok i think i figured it out from that thanks... |
| 04:59.44 | jmarsden | phillipsm: No problem. |
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| 05:01.01 | echosystm | anyone know when ext4 will be in debian stable? |
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| 05:01.29 | neo8848 | hi guys, would anyone know if ntfs-3g is included in the downloadable iso images for lenny? |
| 05:01.39 | phillipsm | jmarsden: ok i think i found the file you were talking about in ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MD5SUMS but it has the individual files of the iso and i want a md5 of the entire iso |
| 05:01.42 | Neo_The_User | quick question, does the amd64 release of debian have every package specifically built for amd64 (64-bit)? |
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| 05:03.15 | jmarsden | phillipsm: OK... there is a line in there for mini.iso at least... |
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| 05:04.19 | Neo_The_User | because i want my Intel Core 2 Duo running the best it can so thats why I was asking |
| 05:04.24 | phillipsm | hmm...well the file i got from debian.org is called debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:04.41 | phillipsm | so i'm not sure what file to look for in the md5sums file |
| 05:04.41 | Neo_The_User | i dont want any 32-bit apps |
| 05:05.21 | echosystm | Neo_The_User, you won't see much difference tbh |
| 05:05.26 | echosystm | look it up on google |
| 05:05.27 | phillipsm | wonders if anyone can really tell the difference between alot of 64-bit apps |
| 05:05.31 | jmarsden | phillipsm: I don't know either, I'm afraid. Worst case maybe download another copy of it from a different mirror and compare them and their MD5SUMs for some degree of confidence? |
| 05:05.56 | echosystm | the only time it makes a noticeable difference is for rendering and some other things like that |
| 05:06.01 | echosystm | even then, its slim |
| 05:06.07 | Neo_The_User | phillipsm: i noticed a big difference between i586 and i686 distros (arch vs suse for example) |
| 05:06.17 | angel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:06.36 | phillipsm | jmarsden: yeah the problem is that i installed it once on my laptop and now the cd i have won't install so i was downloading it again |
| 05:06.50 | phillipsm | jmarsden: but i will try that thanks for trying though! |
| 05:06.59 | jmarsden | phillipsm: No problem. |
| 05:07.21 | Neo_The_User | was debian one of the first linux distros? |
| 05:07.30 | Neo_The_User | it came out shortly after slack right? |
| 05:08.29 | jmarsden | Neo_The_User: http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt93.png |
| 05:08.44 | echosystm | hrm, why is debian netinstall asking me for root passwords and user passwords? |
| 05:08.50 | echosystm | i thought debian was the same as ubuntu |
| 05:08.55 | echosystm | root disabled by default |
| 05:09.07 | Neo_The_User | echosystm: no its not |
| 05:09.15 | salahuddin | phillipsm: 64-bit apps are build specially for 64-bit OS. The performance depends on your hardware. |
| 05:09.19 | echosystm | okie dokie then! |
| 05:09.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | its an option on expert install, but has both by default |
| 05:09.29 | Neo_The_User | the difference between Shitbuntu and Debian is that one sucks and the other doesn't. ;) |
| 05:10.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Neo_The_User: re debians age, i beleive it is one of the older distros - certainly one of the older surviving ones |
| 05:10.58 | phillipsm | salahuddin: i realize that i was just saying for someone pissing around on a laptop i don't think it would really be "mission critical" to have 64-bit apps |
| 05:11.08 | cahoot | Neo_The_User: derogatory speech doesn't really add much useful |
| 05:11.17 | Neo_The_User | ha sorry |
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| 05:12.04 | jmarsden | Neo_The_User: Especially when you seem to be running Ubuntu yourself, based on ctcp version :) |
| 05:12.17 | Neo_The_User | im only using it cuz my arch system broke |
| 05:12.34 | Neo_The_User | and its only temporary |
| 05:12.37 | dirkson | Hallo all. Whenever I attempt to run anything /inside/ a window manager, X crashes without anything giving an error message. I can run the very same programs outside of a window manager just fine, though. Halp? |
| 05:12.39 | Neo_The_User | for like... 2 days |
| 05:13.00 | Neo_The_User | dirkson: hmm thats strange. anyway im going to bed |
| 05:13.02 | salahuddin | phillipsm: I have tried both debian 32 and amd-64 bit in my MacBook Intel Core2duo. In 64-bit I found the system showing one core (for processor). Not that much performance difference. |
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| 05:13.49 | angel_ | I wanna build up a pc pool lab for students and I need to have full control over clients, could you please share your ideas , what do I need to consider for this? |
| 05:14.19 | phillipsm | salahuddin: thats exactly my point. But Neo_The_User was wanting everything to be 64-bit so he could "maximize" performance in his laptop |
| 05:14.31 | phillipsm | and i said i didn't think it would really matter |
| 05:15.39 | echosystm | hrm |
| 05:15.43 | dirkson | 64bit vs 32bit performance really doesn't matter with current processors and desktop stuffs. Perhaps if you do some video encoding it might. |
| 05:16.03 | echosystm | can anyone tell me where i can find what packages are in the "software selection" options? |
| 05:16.09 | dirkson | Or run $ScientificMathApp |
| 05:16.12 | echosystm | it doesnt seem to be in the install guide |
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| 05:17.22 | bullgard4 | What is a 'Xapian index'? As in Synaptic: "update-apt-xapian-index" |
| 05:18.01 | salahuddin | phillipsm: Basically it depends on your hardware. In some hardware you will definitely found difference between the 32 and 64 bit. But, yes the hardware we use mostly 32 and 64-bit performance did not differ that much. |
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| 05:18.22 | _Soi | debian ou ubuntu qual utilizo? |
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| 05:19.05 | bullgard4 | _Soi: Can you repeat you question in English? |
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| 05:19.24 | bullgard4 | s/you/your/ |
| 05:19.46 | phillipsm | salahuddin: yeah but for day to day messing around on a laptop thats not business related or anything it probably won't make much difference. I know that the 64 bit version of ubuntu ran faster on my computer than the 32 bit one but not ridiculously faster |
| 05:20.05 | salahuddin | phillipsm: yap |
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| 05:20.46 | _Soi | debian or ubuntu which I use? |
| 05:21.48 | _Soi | bullgard4: ? |
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| 05:22.49 | bullgard4 | _Soi: This choice depends on your ambitions and your available ressources. |
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| 05:23.49 | _Soi | desktop to laptop use to work with web development bullgard4 |
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| 05:24.37 | bullgard4 | _Soi: For that purpose both distributions are roughly equivalent, and you might choose either one. |
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| 05:27.05 | _Soi | bullgard4: 9:04 am using ubuntu but I think spending offsets for debian? |
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| 05:27.44 | bullgard4 | _Soi: Yes, this may be a suitable solution. |
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| 05:30.45 | _Soi | bullgard4: ubuntu? |
| 05:31.18 | bullgard4 | _Soi: Yes. |
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| 05:33.36 | echosystm | ugh |
| 05:33.44 | echosystm | i just installed debian and it wont boot :/ |
| 05:33.49 | echosystm | grub doesnt even come up |
| 05:33.59 | _Soi | bullgard4: tanks |
| 05:34.17 | echosystm | i think it installed grub to the usb drive i was installing debian from |
| 05:34.57 | DanDare | there´s a way or pogram to check entire system for corrupted files ? |
| 05:35.01 | echosystm | anyone got any ideas why this might be happening? |
| 05:35.20 | rozie | DanDare: what do you mean 'corrupted'? |
| 05:35.26 | DanDare | echosystm, what happens? Any error message ? |
| 05:35.44 | DanDare | rozie, system files. from the packages... |
| 05:35.45 | echosystm | the install went fine DanDare |
| 05:35.47 | echosystm | no errors at all |
| 05:36.00 | DanDare | echosystm, but what error you got when trying boot ? |
| 05:36.02 | rozie | echosystm: run liveCD, then install grub on the right drive |
| 05:36.05 | echosystm | nothing |
| 05:36.08 | echosystm | it didnt boot at all |
| 05:36.16 | echosystm | rozie, i have no cd drive |
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| 05:36.21 | DanDare | ahh, youre trying from USB pen drive ? |
| 05:36.25 | echosystm | yep |
| 05:36.32 | echosystm | i use unetbootin to install |
| 05:36.33 | rozie | echosystm: run from USB |
| 05:36.48 | DanDare | echosystm, you must enable on BIOS (boot from pendrive) or anything like this |
| 05:37.03 | echosystm | DanDare, it is already installed to the hard drive |
| 05:37.10 | echosystm | but no grub |
| 05:37.20 | DanDare | echosystm, where you recorded grub ? |
| 05:37.25 | rozie | DanDare: for sure you can reinstall packages |
| 05:37.29 | echosystm | when debian was installing, i am pretty sure it installed grub on the usb drive instead of the hard drive |
| 05:37.34 | salahuddin | DanDare: use command fsck |
| 05:37.34 | rozie | this will overwrite files |
| 05:37.51 | DanDare | rozie, not reinstall. i suspect anny file on any package must have a signature, not ? |
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| 05:38.42 | DanDare | salahuddin, fsck will detect anything with the files. let´s say a bad block, hiden, with destructed data in |
| 05:39.08 | DanDare | salahuddin, sorry, first phrase was a question |
| 05:39.25 | rozie | DanDare: yes. in .deb package there is DEBIAN/md5sums |
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| 05:40.11 | salahuddin | DanDare: yap, it is. give this command "# touch /forcefsck" and reboot your system will check after nextime startup. |
| 05:40.20 | DanDare | echosystm, im not sure but looks like system detected pen drive, let you grab grub in there but when computer boots USB is not yet detected until something loads. sounds like BIOS settings |
| 05:41.19 | salahuddin | DanDare: man fsck |
| 05:41.43 | DanDare | salahuddin, thanks |
| 05:41.55 | salahuddin | DanDare: welcome |
| 05:41.59 | echosystm | DanDare, i already know the problem |
| 05:42.13 | echosystm | the debian installer put grub on the mbr of the usb drive, not the hard drive |
| 05:42.31 | echosystm | (it thought the usb drive was the main hard drive) |
| 05:42.39 | echosystm | gonna do a reinstall |
| 05:42.55 | rozie | echosystm: just install grub |
| 05:43.01 | echosystm | too late |
| 05:43.01 | echosystm | lol |
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| 05:43.13 | echosystm | i'm a perfectionist :( |
| 05:43.18 | echosystm | its a curse |
| 05:43.36 | DanDare | echosystm, nothing happens to the installed system, you just need to get gruv installed |
| 05:43.40 | DanDare | *grub |
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| 05:44.45 | DanDare | echosystm, sometimes you can boot from some live cd and "chroot" to the drive you need to get grub installed |
| 05:44.47 | salahuddin | echosystm: Just chroot to your installed debian system. And install grub.. done. |
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| 05:45.12 | rozie | DanDare: debsums does the thing |
| 05:45.30 | DanDare | echosystm, chroot and "grub-install /dev/hda" or /dev/sda... whatever else you have |
| 05:45.42 | echosystm | ok |
| 05:46.31 | DanDare | i like this boot cd http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
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| 05:47.41 | ``y7 | i downloaded the live USB debian and when i attempt to boot up, i get an error that reads "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition".... this also happens after i install debian 5.x(stable) on my hdd and attempt to boot up after restarting... any ideas? |
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| 05:49.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | ``y7: what partition is selected? |
| 05:49.08 | DanDare | ``y7 grub was installed where? on hdd ? |
| 05:49.20 | ``y7 | DanDare, i'm pretty sure on the master boot partition |
| 05:49.27 | ``y7 | Kamping_Kaiser, how do i figure that out for you |
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| 05:50.09 | NickMind | exit |
| 05:50.39 | ``y7 | DanDare: but i don't think any grub is installed with the live USB drive.... is there? |
| 05:50.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | ``y7: when grub is counting down press escape (so it gives you the list of boot options), then use 'e' to view the boot line |
| 05:51.04 | DanDare | ``y7 i dont know, you told it was installed on master boot of the hdd ? |
| 05:51.46 | ``y7 | i installed to the recommended place.... which i believe is the primary partition, but i don't know |
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| 05:52.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ``y7: by the way - what sort of hard drives do you have? |
| 05:52.48 | DanDare | what the command "touch" does if used "touch /forcefsck". im looking at touch manpage but cant imagine a correlation |
| 05:52.53 | ``y7 | Kamping_Kaiser: i have three options: "root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinux-s.6.26-2-amd65 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet and initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64" |
| 05:52.55 | pogay | I have a lenny-desktop installation, and I don't find the place where to activate the altgr key for a swiss keyboard layout. |
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| 05:53.29 | ``y7 | Kamping_Kaiser, i tried on a raid5 array, a raid1 array (both 10k sata 74gb raptors - WD) and now i'm trying on a pata 120gb 7200rpm drive |
| 05:53.35 | ``y7 | 120gb drive = seagate |
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| 05:54.34 | ``y7 | Kamping_Kaiser is that what you were asking for? |
| 05:54.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | sata vs pata was what i was wondering about |
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| 05:55.00 | ``y7 | ya, i've tried on both :( |
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| 05:55.19 | ``y7 | i ran memtest86 and the ram tested out to be fine |
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| 05:55.29 | ``y7 | ubuntu was installed on the machine about 3 days ago and it worked just fine |
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| 05:55.54 | ``y7 | for whatever reason, i can't get the debian 5.x install to work from the usb bootable drive or from installing to the actually hdds in the computer |
| 05:56.24 | evil_router | Hi, I am in despe3ate need of help. I had to remove a flakey NIC from my router and now debian no longer recognies eth1 due to udev rules. how do I force debian to reinitialize the udev rules. also, my z45-persistant blah blah file has dissapeared. it's debian 4 |
| 05:56.34 | ``y7 | i've also tried 2 different debian 5.01 iso's |
| 05:57.10 | NickMind | how does the sysfs get mounted, since i don't see a line in /etc/fstab? |
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| 06:02.07 | pogay | i'm wondring wether the altgr-behavior can be configured in Gnome (didn't find the someting in Keybord settings). |
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| 06:05.29 | Judge-- | Hello, plaese.. what would be the apt-get install parameter I should pass to install svn? There are so many that I'm confused |
| 06:06.03 | hark | Judge--: parameter? |
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| 06:06.33 | Judge-- | yes, like apt-get install svn |
| 06:06.40 | Judge-- | but it says package svn was not found |
| 06:07.21 | salahuddin | Judge--: apt-cache search subversion | grep client |
| 06:07.26 | Judge-- | ah, guess I got it: apt-get install subversion |
| 06:07.31 | Judge-- | salahuddin I tryed it |
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| 06:07.38 | ``y7 | I'm trying to boot debian off of a USB drive (debian-live-501-amd64-gnome-desktop.img) and when it boots up, i get an error saying that the "Filesystem type is fat, partition type 0x6"... how can i go about solving this issue? Thanks. |
| 06:07.48 | Judge-- | "subversion - Advanced version control system" |
| 06:07.51 | pogay | the altgr key ist mapped like alt, ist mapped korrectly to swap in gnome konsole but not to reach the altgr keys on the keyboard:-) |
| 06:07.59 | Judge-- | it`s not listed as client, as how I was searching for |
| 06:08.12 | Judge-- | thank you guys. |
| 06:08.42 | salahuddin | Judge--: subcommander - Graphical client for Subversion |
| 06:09.06 | omid8bimo | likes debian sid !! |
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| 06:15.49 | ebil | why does debian have to be so retarded when it comes to replacing missing DEFAULT config files? I had to purge udev from a running system and reinstall in order to get a config file that got corrupted beyond saving... |
| 06:16.40 | craigevil | ebil: debian and linux in general assume you know what you are doing when you mess with config files |
| 06:16.46 | craigevil | !confmiss |
| 06:16.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 06:18.11 | echosystm | uhm |
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| 06:18.30 | echosystm | ok i just reinstalled debian, installing grub to sdb (hdd) rather than sda (flash drive) |
| 06:18.48 | echosystm | when it boots i get "error 21: selected disk does not exist" |
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| 06:19.02 | echosystm | root (hd1,0) |
| 06:19.05 | echosystm | wtf |
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| 06:19.40 | ebil | craigevil, they were corrupted not by me :) But, that's a good trigger to remember, thank you |
| 06:20.07 | ``y7 | I'm trying to boot debian off of a USB drive (debian-live-501-amd64-gnome-desktop.img) and when it boots up, i get an error saying that the "Filesystem type is fat, partition type 0x6"... how can i go about solving this issue? Thanks. |
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| 06:29.46 | NickMind | can anyone point me to some good informaion on linuxrc, or how sysfs gets mounted. i have googled nothing good |
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| 07:00.37 | echosystm | after installing from usb, i get tonnes of errors when i shut down |
| 07:00.49 | echosystm | its trying to unmount the swap used during the install :/ |
| 07:01.07 | echosystm | what should i do about this? |
| 07:01.19 | echosystm | im considering just going and buying a usb cd drive.. |
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| 07:09.47 | NickMind | what script mounts the sysfs? trying to find but can't |
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| 07:15.49 | gnat_x | hey folks. i am having trouble with a partition that i resized downward with lvm. getting this error when trying to e2fsck -f. |
| 07:15.52 | gnat_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.10 | gnat_x | sorry. e2fsck: unable to set superblock flags on /dev/mapper/rootvg-data0 |
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| 07:16.48 | gnat_x | the partition was umounted before i did any of this, and will mount, but ro |
| 07:18.41 | Posterdati | hi |
| 07:19.09 | Posterdati | please how can I force to install a package with a different version number on another? |
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| 07:23.32 | elenril | can i force avahi-daemon that's in lenny to bind only to specific interface? |
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| 07:30.17 | craigevil | !tell Anirban about Ubuntu |
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| 07:34.03 | valdyn | Posterdati: apt-get install packagename=version |
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| 07:34.32 | Tommy26_ | PENIS |
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| 07:34.34 | Tommy26_ | PENIS |
| 07:34.42 | Tommy26_ | PENIS |
| 07:34.44 | valdyn | !ops Tommy26_ |
| 07:34.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: Tommy26_ |
| 07:34.46 | Tommy26_ | PENIS |
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| 07:37.04 | yurikoles | tommy, u have small pinus? |
| 07:37.31 | Gary | yurikoles: lets move on now |
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| 07:43.28 | gnat_x | so i'm running e2fsck -b 32768 -f /dev/mapper/rootvg-data0 and i get: |
| 07:43.41 | gnat_x | Error reading block 11016506 (Invalid argument) while reading indirect blocks of inode 4686110. Ignore error<y>? |
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| 07:43.59 | gnat_x | if i answer yes, it asks me if i want to fix it. |
| 07:44.11 | gnat_x | the problem is that is does this tons of times. |
| 07:44.20 | gnat_x | is there a way to force that? |
| 07:45.16 | gnat_x | this is an lvm partition that was sized downward |
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| 08:02.28 | _coredump_ | hello there, the new version of xen-utils-common broke the xend init-script, any idea how to fix? |
| 08:02.45 | _coredump_ | its squeeze on amd64 |
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| 08:05.12 | hajoucha | hi... I have a question regarding dual head setup in debian. I run debian stable with dual head nvidia card and two LCD connected to it. If I boot debian, I see a console on each LCD (clon). But as soon as I start X (startx), I get only one output (first LCD). The other LCD is dark. Xrandr shows only one screen. What I am doing wrong? |
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| 08:08.27 | hajoucha | I wonder if xorg.conf is independent of xrandr or not. That is, whatever mistake I may have done there could be undone with xrandr under running X. Is that right? |
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| 08:11.21 | owen1 | what should i use to change the volume? master or pcm? |
| 08:12.12 | spasysheep | i am considering migrating from ubuntu to debian - should I be able to transfer my /home partition to keep my settings without running into problems? |
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| 08:19.21 | hajoucha | spasysheep: yes, no problem. |
| 08:20.05 | hajoucha | spasysheep: /home partition should contain only user data. Settings like .bashrc, .muttrc ...etc. affect only applications, not system. |
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| 08:20.32 | svqyqb | http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa |
| 08:20.37 | hajoucha | spasysheep: or do you have any other kind of trouble in mind? |
| 08:21.29 | spasysheep | hajoucha: i was wondering if some of the settings might not transfer for whatever reasons (different syntax for the config files etc) |
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| 08:24.51 | rohan | i want to install 64bit version of debian. what is the best way to go for flash and java plugin? 32bit or native 64bit? |
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| 08:26.28 | hajoucha | rohan: I run both native and I see no problem. |
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| 08:27.09 | rohan | hajoucha: can you please tell me how do i do that? run native, that is |
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| 08:27.33 | hajoucha | spasysheep: well, as far as the versions of installed packages are not too far away (a few years), than I would not worry at all. |
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| 08:28.19 | hajoucha | rohan: hm, I do not remember that exactly, since I had this setting for a couple of yeas now. But basicaly I just googled it :) |
| 08:28.33 | spasysheep | hajoucha: kkty. also, should ubuntu repositories work with debian, for when I can't find equivalent debian specific ones? |
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| 08:28.51 | g00se | spasysheep: No |
| 08:28.55 | rohan | spasysheep: no, ubuntu repos won't work in debian |
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| 08:29.09 | hajoucha | spasysheep: that one is tricky. I have never tried that. But the real question is why migrate to debian if you want ubuntu software? |
| 08:30.27 | hajoucha | restarts X ... |
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| 08:30.55 | salahuddin | spasysheep: Even ubuntu repos work, you should not use it, you will find conflict between various packages. Some of my colleagues faced this problem. |
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| 08:32.14 | spasysheep | i like the debian interface more, and there is only 1 package that I want which I don't think debian has by default (moovida) In ubuntu I have the launchpad repo added so I don't have to check for updates manually. oh well, I suppose I can always compile it from source (thiat would work, right?) |
| 08:33.37 | salahuddin | spasysheep: yap, install from source, thats better. |
| 08:33.50 | spasysheep | salahuddin: k |
| 08:34.10 | spasysheep | reboots into the debian install disk |
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| 08:42.39 | hajoucha | re |
| 08:44.23 | Nervofix | GUten morgen zusammen |
| 08:45.06 | PepperBob | is there a way to prevent "ctrl-alt-del" for restart? one of our windows admins just rebooted :/ |
| 08:45.18 | Nervofix | Good morning all together |
| 08:45.30 | Nervofix | lol |
| 08:45.48 | OpenTokix | PepperBob: haha |
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| 08:45.54 | nkuttler | PepperBob: man inittab |
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| 08:46.00 | Nervofix | Pepper: Biuld a Catcher for the Key-Code |
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| 08:46.22 | OpenTokix | PepperBob: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/20/how-to-disable-ctrl-alt-del-from-rebooting-a-linux-system/ |
| 08:46.44 | hajoucha | PepperBob: :) I prevent this by putting a sticker on a computer ("I will _KILL_ everyone who reboots this machine!!!"). So far it works. |
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| 08:47.15 | Nervofix | lol |
| 08:47.30 | Nervofix | that's an Idea =) Should use this Sticker too =) |
| 08:47.43 | Dracie | hello i just installed debian on an old p3, anyways, it kernel panics on boot because it can't read the filesystem, in turn is because of something going wrong with the initrd, but i am not sure how to fix this |
| 08:47.48 | nkuttler | hajoucha: doesn't really help if the user doesn't know which actions reboot.. |
| 08:47.58 | hajoucha | do you know if it is possible with nvidia to have one lcd screen oriented verticaly and the other (dualhead) horizontaly? |
| 08:48.05 | PepperBob | rofl... yeah... |
| 08:48.11 | PepperBob | OpenTokix: thanks! |
| 08:48.31 | nkuttler | hajoucha: try xrandr |
| 08:48.33 | Nervofix | Hajo: Didn't ya know? |
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| 08:48.36 | hajoucha | nkuttler: yes, you are right. But in my enviroment, this helps a lot :) |
| 08:48.50 | nkuttler | oh, wait, different rotation.. |
| 08:48.59 | Nervofix | lol |
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| 08:49.38 | hajoucha | nkuttler: hm, xrandr does not work at this moment. I have created xorg.conf with nvidia-settings (no vertical vs. horizontal option) and restarted X. Now I have dualhead running, but that has two problems: |
| 08:49.55 | hajoucha | 1. no xrandr support - that is Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 08:50.23 | hajoucha | 2. both LCDs are in horizontal orientation. I.e. I have a very very wide screen :))) |
| 08:51.06 | nkuttler | hajoucha: well, you can specify rotation in xorg.conf, no idea if that will do anything with your driver though |
| 08:51.12 | hajoucha | which eventualy is nice for xplanet, because Earth is then in the middle and one can see deep space around - Earth does not occupy too much space anymore :) |
| 08:51.36 | hajoucha | nkuttler: really? How? What should I goolge? |
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| 08:52.00 | nkuttler | hajoucha: man xorg.conf, but i just see it's only for randr supporting drivers |
| 08:52.05 | g00se | Dracie: It might help to pastebin error messages |
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| 08:53.29 | hajoucha | nkuttler: aha, I suppose now I have randr disabled only because it is not loaded (no xrandr related options in xorg.conf). |
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| 08:53.40 | hajoucha | nkuttler: I will try to enable it. |
| 08:54.29 | hajoucha | other than that - I have rather basic question - what sources should I have for latest nvidia drivers on debian stable? (I know, almost an oxymoron..) |
| 08:54.53 | nkuttler | hajoucha: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 08:56.38 | hajoucha | nkuttler: cool, thanks |
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| 08:57.14 | g00se | Why 'oxymoron' ? |
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| 08:57.23 | Esto | why in dpkg --get-selections still left "deinstall" statused packages even after apt-get autoremove? |
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| 09:00.39 | Dracie | http://pastebin.com/f11f16e55 <--- pastebin errors word for word off screen, sorry it took so long ;) |
| 09:01.04 | Dracie | silly me i didn't know how to get the current url in w3m |
| 09:01.08 | Esto | and also why vrms shows gcc*-doc* as non-free packages? |
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| 09:03.19 | nkuttler | Esto: fdl is considered non-free by debian |
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| 09:03.38 | Esto | kinda debianish rms xD |
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| 09:04.48 | Dracie | not to annoy anyone, but why did my initial ramdisk fail |
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| 09:05.58 | nkuttler | !fdl is The GNU Free Documentation License is considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases, see http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml |
| 09:05.59 | dpkg | okay, nkuttler |
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| 09:06.59 | nkuttler | Dracie: boot the installer and install a new kernel? |
| 09:07.07 | g00se | Dracie: You might have a failing hd |
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| 09:07.40 | Dracie | possibly, but it had a different linux distro on that booted fine, so i suppose i'll boot the installer and get a new kernel :) |
| 09:07.46 | [mu]keiserr | btw, if i set ip_forward to 1 |
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| 09:08.23 | NickMind | mtab file is mainly infomational, and not used for mounting like fstab is? |
| 09:08.31 | g00se | Dracie: Might be worth fscking from a live disk. smartmon it too perhaps |
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| 09:08.56 | [mu]keiserr | and set this machine as gateway on my other computers, normally whatever that machine [which is supposedly to act as a router] can ping the other machine must be able to ping also right? |
| 09:08.58 | Dracie | NickMind: mtab is a informational file that shows what partitions are mounted |
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| 09:09.08 | Dracie | it may not be 100% accurate |
| 09:09.20 | Dracie | some file in /proc has the grand ol list |
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| 09:11.22 | NickMind | Dracie: thanks for the heads up. |
| 09:12.00 | Dracie | NickMind: no problem ;) |
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| 09:13.19 | Dracie | actually I am thinking it might be a memory issue |
| 09:13.48 | Dracie | i booted the recovery graphical on the cd, and it gives me the same kernel panic |
| 09:14.11 | Dracie | maybe the cd is bugged 0_o |
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| 09:17.05 | g00se | Dracie: You could be right. Try running a memory check |
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| 09:18.13 | Dracie | maybe my disk got messed up at burning. i md5sum-matched it beforehand |
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| 09:19.26 | egw_ | how i can stop a daemon that hangs my pc on restart |
| 09:20.17 | nkuttler | egw_: man update-rc.d, or use rcconf |
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| 09:20.26 | g00se | eqw_: Or sysv-rc-conf |
| 09:20.37 | egw_ | but i cant start the pc |
| 09:20.55 | Dracie | egw_: livecd :) |
| 09:20.58 | Dracie | or single suer |
| 09:21.00 | Dracie | user* |
| 09:21.01 | nkuttler | egw_: boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 09:21.16 | nkuttler | egw_: right, grub should have single user mode entries |
| 09:21.26 | Dracie | so simple - doh! i should of thought of the init=/bin/sh :P |
| 09:21.37 | nkuttler | Dracie: should have? |
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| 09:22.05 | Dracie | nkuttler: I seem to miss some obvious solutions |
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| 09:22.55 | solars | does anyone know a screen capture tool other than xvidcap? |
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| 09:23.04 | pa7iQ | hi, my microphone works in the soundcard jack, but if I use it in the front audio panel, I can barely hear my voice in the loud noise after I record it. sound works fine in the headphone output. adjusting alsa mixer does not help. there is no mic boost option. how can I make the front panel mic work? |
| 09:23.10 | jelly | solars: scrot |
| 09:23.21 | jelly | solars: oh, did you mean video? |
| 09:23.28 | solars | jelly, yes, sorry |
| 09:23.34 | Dracie | jelly: recordmydesktop |
| 09:23.40 | Dracie | some other ones too |
| 09:23.46 | Dracie | linux.com wrote an article about this |
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| 09:24.15 | solars | Dracie, is it possible to select only regions with this tool? |
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| 09:24.29 | g00se | recordmydesktop came top in a Linux Format review recently |
| 09:24.33 | Dracie | solars: no clue, could be, but i am not sure |
| 09:24.41 | solars | alright, thanks guys |
| 09:24.42 | copyguy | Hi all debian users i have a question when im trying to install debian i get to the part when i can install desktop envireoment but then it just stand still at 5% in over 1 and a half hour is it normal or is my cd broken? |
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| 09:25.02 | bionoid | Will I shoot my own foot if I install libapache2-mod-wsgi from lenny-backports and keep the apache2 from lenny? Or will that work? |
| 09:25.29 | bionoid | (Just thought I'd air that here before crashing my system) |
| 09:25.46 | egw_ | it says: |
| 09:25.46 | egw_ | hostname: the specified hostname is invalid |
| 09:25.47 | egw_ | <egw_> starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd |
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| 09:29.31 | [mu]keiserr | is that normal that ip route gives me command not found? |
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| 09:30.54 | bionoid | [mu]keiserr: It's called 'route' |
| 09:30.59 | [mu]keiserr | nevermind found the iproute package |
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| 09:32.11 | Judge-- | Hello. How can I know what ip some program will bind when I execute it (assuming there`s no option for me to specify)? |
| 09:32.35 | petemc | if theres no option it will probably bind to all |
| 09:32.37 | cyrilb | Judge--: netstat -nltp | grep yourprogram |
| 09:33.08 | mosno | might want to exclude the t switch |
| 09:33.24 | Judge-- | thank you cyrilb |
| 09:33.32 | mosno | Judge--: ^ |
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| 09:33.59 | Judge-- | ah sorry mosno, didn't see your message |
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| 09:36.16 | Judge-- | well cyrilb that`s for listening, right? Actually, is it possible to see wich ip it'll assume for outgoing connections? |
| 09:36.17 | tefwpg | http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa |
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| 09:36.56 | cyrilb | Judge--: yes, it's for listening IP address |
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| 09:37.19 | Judge-- | otepad |
| 09:37.28 | Judge-- | ops. |
| 09:37.38 | Judge-- | cyrilb anyway to see it for outgoing connections? |
| 09:38.35 | Judge-- | any way* |
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| 09:42.26 | cyrilb | Judge--: it does not depend on the program but on the network configuration I guess |
| 09:42.36 | Judge-- | hum. |
| 09:42.41 | cyrilb | Judge--: and on the IP you are trying to reach |
| 09:43.09 | Judge-- | well, do you know any service of "what's my ip" I could use via wget os something like this |
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| 09:43.47 | cyrilb | Judge--: http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
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| 09:44.03 | Dracie | yeah it was a memroy issue, switched the sticks around and now it boots like a charm |
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| 09:45.08 | Almad | Hi, I'm trying to build a new buildbot (python) package. However, it uses --install-layout=deb, which is not supported on my lenny (error: option --install-layout not recognized). What I must install to make it available? |
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| 09:45.43 | g00se | echo $(wget -O - www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp 2>/dev/null) |
| 09:46.31 | g00se | Dracie: Good |
| 09:47.32 | Dracie | g00se: tried removing a stickbut then it beebed a lot and scared me lol |
| 09:47.52 | Dracie | ram stick* |
| 09:48.36 | g00se | Well i spend a bit of time doing Jurassic Park too ;-) |
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| 09:51.53 | syslq78 | How do I permanently edit values of bash builtin variables? |
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| 09:52.59 | adb | ask #bash? |
| 09:53.23 | Dracie | syslq78: poke around the source, its probably the only sensible way (recompile) |
| 09:54.05 | syslq78 | mhm |
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| 10:06.51 | Dracie | where does one get the mach64 kernel module? |
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| 10:13.03 | g00se | Dracie: Does this help? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/05/msg00208.html |
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| 10:14.03 | [mu]keiserr | how can i remove all routes on debian? |
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| 10:16.01 | g00se | Dracie: I think it could be in libgl1-mesa-dri actually, despite that message |
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| 10:30.08 | kasimon | Hi! When uploading a package to our local reprepro-maintained repository, I get »No priority found for 'package-name'«. I've never seen this error before and google only gives hints to the reprepro source. It seems to have to do something with override files (which we don't use). |
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| 10:31.00 | kasimon | Any Idea what might cause this? Also maybe it's interesting that package is a native package. |
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| 10:31.27 | adb | dpkg: tell kasimon about pinning |
| 10:31.42 | bionoid | I installed the 'postgresql' package (lenny "object-relational SQL database (supported version)"). It tells me "supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 5.0" during install, but most importantly, it does not create a directory /etc/postgresql with config files (the init.d startup script exits because it is not found) - any hints on how to restore a working postgres server? I tried removing and reinstalling, dpkg-reconfigure et al but to no avail. |
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| 10:33.08 | greenmang0 | bionoid: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 10:33.37 | bionoid | 5.0 |
| 10:34.13 | greenmang0 | bionoid: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:35.49 | kasimon | adb: Thanks for the pointer, but I don't know the connection between override files and pinning. |
| 10:35.58 | bionoid | Ah, it was a retained package from a mis-install (from backports) earlier, purge instead of remove did the trick. Thanks anyway. |
| 10:36.09 | greenmang0 | bionoid: you should have tried "aptitude install postgresql-8.3"... but let me see your sources.list first |
| 10:36.12 | greenmang0 | bionoid: ok |
| 10:36.38 | syslq78 | Guys, guys come on |
| 10:36.57 | syslq78 | Ah, sorry, wrong channel |
| 10:36.58 | kasimon | bionoid: I find 'apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate' quite helpful on systems with old packages. |
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| 10:41.38 | Posterdati | please how can I force to install a package with a different version number on another? |
| 10:42.07 | kasimon | Posterdati: apt-get install package=version |
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| 10:42.26 | Posterdati | kasimon: thanks |
| 10:43.46 | adb | dpkg: tell kasimon about reprepro |
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| 10:48.25 | kasimon | adb: I'm using reprepro all the time. Now I worked around the problem by creating an ovveride file that set's the priority of my package to some value. But I don't understand why I have to provide such a file. |
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| 10:49.43 | pipingcats | Hey, where is the location of the browser cache in debian? I'm using iceweasel |
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| 10:53.28 | Guerin | pipingcats: I guess it'll be in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ someplace |
| 10:53.52 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:56.33 | pipingcats | Thanks |
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| 11:01.37 | livingdaylight | hello channel |
| 11:02.20 | livingdaylight | does debian install with mono? |
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| 11:02.40 | hajoucha | re |
| 11:02.50 | Massimiliano | Does anybody know where i can find the mail log? |
| 11:03.01 | hajoucha | is there a way to load xorg module on running xserver? |
| 11:03.02 | Massimiliano | Because my php mail() function doesn't send anything. |
| 11:03.26 | hajoucha | (I forgot Load "dri" line in my xorg.conf and do not want to restart X right now) |
| 11:04.24 | livingdaylight | can someone tell whether Debian comes mono-free; what is the Debian's position on this issue? |
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| 11:05.48 | nkuttler | livingdaylight: you don't need to install X at all, so it's up to you |
| 11:06.19 | livingdaylight | nkuttler: i mean by default... most users will be installing a default setup |
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| 11:06.39 | livingdaylight | not building a distro from scratch |
| 11:06.49 | osundin | I'm trying to connect a freshly installed debian testing machine to my wireless network and I can't seem to get an IP adress... I've tried connecting using Network Manager and manually (iwconfig) and The connection seems to work fine but dhclient doesn't get any response from the ap... My other (as far as I can tell) almost identically configured computer has no problem connecting to this network and the new one can connect to other network |
| 11:06.50 | livingdaylight | so, it hasn't answerd my question |
| 11:07.10 | OpenTokix | livingdaylight: The mono I have is GPL:ed |
| 11:07.15 | nkuttler | the default is not to install a desktop. the default desktop is gnome, which a few a weeks ago depended on some mono package afaik. that changes. |
| 11:07.23 | OpenTokix | or MIT/X11 |
| 11:07.32 | OpenTokix | and MS |
| 11:07.33 | OpenTokix | shit |
| 11:07.40 | OpenTokix | its a spagetti of licenses =) |
| 11:07.51 | livingdaylight | nkuttler: so, debian will be removing mono from future releases? |
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| 11:09.00 | nkuttler | livingdaylight: i think so, but i don't really follow the dev mailing lists etc |
| 11:09.23 | livingdaylight | k, thx |
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| 11:11.28 | mosno | interesting, udev doesn't seem to have reloaded the rules when i installed virtualbox-ose (ie. so that /dev/vboxctl's group can be correctly set)... |
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| 11:12.12 | hark | livingdaylight: debian won't be removing mono |
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| 11:12.38 | mosno | ah, vboxctl wasn't present at install time.. and i don't know enough about udev/inotify. :( |
| 11:12.43 | livingdaylight | hark: will they not even keep it in the repos for individuals to choose it for themselves? |
| 11:12.59 | livingdaylight | or does Debian feel mono is kosher enough? |
| 11:13.06 | mrx3000 | I think free software shouldn't use mono |
| 11:13.06 | mrx3000 | or c# |
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| 11:13.39 | adb | mrx3000: i agree too |
| 11:13.41 | mosno | i think they've found that it's at least as safe as everything else in the repos. but then again i don't follow it too closely, or care too much |
| 11:14.04 | hark | it's in main, if you don't want to install it, don't |
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| 11:14.30 | hark | !main |
| 11:14.31 | dpkg | methinks main is a topic that doesn't work. |
| 11:14.35 | mrx3000 | My friend I said to him learn c++, he said i want to learn c# because its easier |
| 11:14.50 | hark | dpkg: forget main |
| 11:14.50 | dpkg | i forgot main, hark |
| 11:14.55 | mrx3000 | * I said to my friend |
| 11:15.02 | mosno | mrx3000: it probably is |
| 11:15.45 | mrx3000 | I said i found some good books on c++ at the libary he said no. |
| 11:15.54 | livingdaylight | ok, i will have to check with Fedora now |
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| 11:16.29 | hark | fedora will be the same a sdebian, i expect |
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| 11:17.14 | mrx3000 | My friend really hates linux too |
| 11:17.28 | mosno | mrx3000: good for him |
| 11:17.39 | mosno | hark: i'm pretty sure Fedora includes Mono |
| 11:17.50 | mrx3000 | ;( I want to convert him |
| 11:18.15 | mosno | mrx3000: just get everything on your own TODO list done ;) |
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| 11:18.52 | pipingcats | Like they say, you can bring a horse to water .... |
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| 11:19.06 | mosno | pipingcats: but you can't make him burn a netinst ISO? |
| 11:19.15 | pipingcats | mosno: Exactly |
| 11:22.36 | PepperBob | mrx3000: don't try - really. |
| 11:23.38 | mrx3000 | Ok |
| 11:24.39 | mosno | pokes through udev to learn how to re-run a rule |
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| 11:30.51 | hawkbill | where (which channel) can i ask a Makefile related doubt? |
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| 11:33.39 | pipingcats | I dunno. #gnu? |
| 11:33.48 | pipingcats | I know a little bit about gmake. What's your problem? |
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| 11:35.20 | zxd | anyone know of a pam module that checks for group memebership before allowing auth access |
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| 11:36.34 | OsamaK_ | Does Debian contain non-free binary blob? |
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| 11:37.12 | OpenTokix | OsamaK_: probably in non-free repo |
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| 11:37.43 | OsamaK_ | so the official distribution is 100% free software? |
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| 11:38.06 | pipingcats | How did you make free bold? |
| 11:38.17 | pipingcats | Oh dear, emacs is in C mode |
| 11:38.56 | OpenTokix | *free* |
| 11:39.31 | OsamaK_ | Orphis: is it? |
| 11:39.38 | OsamaK_ | sorry, OpenTokix |
| 11:40.33 | pipingcats | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.33 | pipingcats | ERC> http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 11:41.53 | pipingcats | OsamaK_: According to #1, it's supposed to be 100% free software |
| 11:42.57 | [mu]keiserr | hi, i have a machine with some network interfaces, i have set ip_forward to one, the machine, is called machineA, and machineA is connected to several networks, i tried to set it as a gateway for another machine, machineB, from machineB am trying to ping a machineC which is on a different network than machineB, but same network as one of the interfaces of machineA, from B i pinged C, i tried to check the tcpdump at C, i got nothing, but at machineA w |
| 11:42.58 | [mu]keiserr | hen i check the tcpdump for icmp requests, i can clearly see everything reaching on that interface that machineB has set as gateway, but it seems it isn't forwarding the packets, any idea? |
| 11:43.48 | [mu]keiserr | yes i could make it work using iptables forwarding one interface to the other .. but that's not the proper way, since i wouldn't want to forward eth0 to 10 different interfaces! |
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| 11:46.20 | pipingcats | Exclamation points are like candy in IRC |
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| 12:07.10 | marcel` | does the intel vga driver run with 64bit? |
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| 12:07.49 | pipingcats | marcel`: I think so. My laptop has an intel graphics card and I use 64-bit linux with it just fine |
| 12:08.09 | skellington | hi. how do i stop debian from increasing my screens brightness everytime i boot and/or close the screen? |
| 12:09.24 | syslq78 | Am I the only one or loging on windows sucks? |
| 12:09.44 | syslq78 | Any third party log service you know that it could be used? |
| 12:09.44 | lunk | i think you can replace 'loging' with a variable |
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| 12:09.50 | xand | everything on windows sucks |
| 12:09.50 | octane- | syslq78: you are the only one. |
| 12:10.22 | syslq78 | xand, nah, windows are nice in general at least xp sp2+ and on |
| 12:10.22 | mjt | heh. We're the only people out there who think so... The rest uses windows.... ;) |
| 12:10.33 | xand | GB2 #windows |
| 12:10.46 | marcel` | pipingcats: ty |
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| 12:11.04 | abrotman | syslq78: you're asking #debian about windows ? |
| 12:11.11 | abrotman | skellington: are you using gnome/kde ? |
| 12:11.15 | syslq78 | I'm not asking it was hmm |
| 12:11.18 | syslq78 | Monologue |
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| 12:11.26 | nukedclx | configure: error: *** Can't find recent OpenSSL libcrypto (see config.log for details) *** |
| 12:11.34 | nukedclx | which package it is? |
| 12:11.45 | abrotman | nukedclx: apt-cache search libcrypto ? |
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| 12:12.02 | nukedclx | nah, i dont apt-get install libcrypto* |
| 12:12.06 | nukedclx | i done* |
| 12:12.07 | abrotman | nukedclx: apt-cache search libcrypto ? |
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| 12:13.22 | abrotman | nukedclx: you probably need a -dev package |
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| 12:14.52 | skellington | abrotman: gnome but i was going to switch to xfce soon. |
| 12:15.04 | abrotman | skellington: did you look at the gnome power management applet? |
| 12:15.15 | mjt | what's the package to create fake packages? |
| 12:15.24 | abrotman | equivs |
| 12:15.34 | mjt | aha this one. thanks! |
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| 12:16.36 | skellington | abrotman: you, sir, are a genius. |
| 12:16.41 | mjt | equivs-control udev |
| 12:16.44 | mjt | er |
| 12:16.46 | skellington | a scholar and a gentleman. |
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| 12:17.39 | abrotman | genius? |
| 12:17.47 | abrotman | writes home to tell his parents |
| 12:18.29 | abrotman | hello mudder, hello fadder, greetings from channel debian, ops are great here, users better, this is the best OS ever |
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| 12:18.45 | abrotman | loses points for failing to rhyme |
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| 12:19.29 | beardy | plays guitar while abrotman sings |
| 12:19.30 | syslq78 | Hmm |
| 12:19.33 | syslq78 | Anyway |
| 12:19.56 | syslq78 | thinks that next year will be the hologram os year |
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| 12:20.06 | syslq78 | Fuck my pills |
| 12:20.08 | nukedclx | resolved |
| 12:20.09 | syslq78 | soryy |
| 12:20.15 | nukedclx | installed libssl-dev |
| 12:20.41 | abrotman | nukedclx: see .. that wasn't so bad |
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| 12:21.09 | nukedclx | yea ;) |
| 12:21.31 | beardy | Good boy *patpatpatscratch*! |
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| 12:22.29 | bitweiler | is there a way to force dpkg to install libstdc++5_3.3.6-15_i386.deb? |
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| 12:23.42 | Flux_Capacitor | HELLO, is Andrew Suffield here? |
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| 12:24.34 | bartounet | hello |
| 12:24.40 | bartounet | could you help me? |
| 12:24.50 | bartounet | i want to install debian by a pxe server |
| 12:24.50 | syslq78 | bartounet, depends on type of help |
| 12:25.05 | bartounet | i have no problem to install the netboot of debian whith pxe |
| 12:25.06 | beardy | goes cow-moving. |
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| 12:25.26 | bartounet | but i want install debian whith PXE + cdrom |
| 12:25.46 | bartounet | without the netboot, so no need an internet connexion |
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| 12:27.33 | bitweiler | I want to install libcstdc++5 but I can't because g++-3.3 isn't configured yet how can I configure it? |
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| 12:32.19 | bitweiler | okay I narrowed my problem down to libstc++5-3.3-dev_3.3.6-15_i386.deb which is not configured yet is there a way to configure this package? |
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| 12:32.42 | nkuttler | bitweiler: dpkg --configure -a |
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| 12:37.25 | bitweiler | thanks |
| 12:39.06 | bitweiler | in bash is this correct: if [-e /usr/bin/yacc]; then dostuff; else doother; fi |
| 12:39.17 | bitweiler | mainly the -e part |
| 12:39.30 | cyrilb | bitweiler: add spaces after and before brackets |
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| 12:42.08 | bitweiler | cyrilb && nkuttler: thanks :T |
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| 12:42.48 | bitweiler | boy installing deb packages without a network is painstaking |
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| 12:45.18 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 12:45.19 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
| 12:45.25 | woshty | re |
| 12:45.38 | Flux_Capacitor | this channel is busy |
| 12:45.41 | Flux_Capacitor | BASH |
| 12:46.03 | abrotman | Flux_Capacitor: are you still looking for andrew? |
| 12:46.08 | Flux_Capacitor | yep |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | i don't think he IRCs anymore .. |
| 12:46.21 | Flux_Capacitor | ok |
| 12:46.26 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a (console) program which converts news feeds (RSS, Atom, etc.) to mails and sends them to me or stores them in a mbox. Thanks. |
| 12:46.29 | abrotman | maybe i'm spelling his nick wrong |
| 12:46.45 | Flux_Capacitor | I just read something he wrote in 2004 and wanted to converse with him about it |
| 12:46.50 | Flux_Capacitor | but its all good in the hood |
| 12:47.11 | abrotman | about debian ? |
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| 12:47.18 | abrotman | rudi_s: i've seen such a thing .. |
| 12:47.52 | abrotman | rudi_s: apt-cache search rss email |
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| 12:48.34 | Flux_Capacitor | it was kinda about debian |
| 12:48.35 | rudi_s | abrotman: Thank you very much, rss2email sounds good. |
| 12:48.51 | bitweiler | thanks abrotman |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | Flux_Capacitor: ask, and if it's not related we'll try to redirect you to the right place |
| 12:49.10 | Flux_Capacitor | don't worry, only he will benefit |
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| 12:49.13 | Flux_Capacitor | its not about debian |
| 12:49.16 | Flux_Capacitor | I use windows |
| 12:49.20 | Flux_Capacitor | (sorry) |
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| 12:49.40 | Python1320 | Oh god, why is it so difficult to get a darn dvd to play on this laptop |
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| 12:49.51 | Python1320 | DVDRead could not read block 0. |
| 12:50.32 | xororand | what's an easy way to transfer the permissions of one directory to another? for example, host1:/etc/ -> host2:/etc/ |
| 12:50.38 | infernix | does anyone know what could cause every sentence in any program to suddenly start with a capitalised letter whenever I type it? |
| 12:50.43 | Flux_Capacitor | cheers tho |
| 12:50.54 | infernix | i already banged my keyboard for a few minutes but that didn't help |
| 12:51.13 | abrotman | xororand: rsync .. read the options |
| 12:51.15 | infernix | *my head on my keyboard |
| 12:51.23 | rudi_s | Python1320: CSS protected DVD mabye? |
| 12:51.47 | Python1320 | rudi_s, libdvdcss compiled and installed self, kaffeine or what program told it was also ok |
| 12:52.15 | rudi_s | Python1320: Oh, then it should work. |
| 12:52.27 | abrotman | or the DVD is bad ? |
| 12:53.12 | Python1320 | abrotman, tried 4 disks |
| 12:53.23 | abrotman | is it using libdvdread ? |
| 12:53.26 | Python1320 | I'll give ssh access if someone wants to try |
| 12:53.41 | Python1320 | I think so |
| 12:53.48 | Python1320 | I've tried with kaffeine, xine, vlc, etc |
| 12:54.00 | Python1320 | All of them give the same problem |
| 12:54.00 | skellington | how do i edit menu.lst as root? |
| 12:54.05 | bitweiler | abrotman: if I dpkg -i'ed g++-3.3, gcc-3.3, gcc-3.3-base why is gcc still missing expcept /usr/lib/gcc? |
| 12:54.42 | abrotman | bitweiler: which version of debian is this ? |
| 12:54.54 | abrotman | do you really want gcc3 ? |
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| 12:54.59 | bitweiler | etch |
| 12:55.07 | abrotman | Python1320: please don't give ssh access to people on IRC |
| 12:55.13 | abrotman | bitweiler: there is gcc4 available |
| 12:55.34 | stew | bitweiler: you should have /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 12:55.41 | bitweiler | i know but I need less than 4 for LFS |
| 12:56.13 | bitweiler | stew: that's what I thought also |
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| 12:56.21 | Python1320 | abrotman, I know, I just installed that pc so it doesn't really matter |
| 12:56.33 | stew | bitweiler: what version of gcc-3.3 did you install? |
| 12:56.55 | Python1320 | Error reading NAV packet says xine/kaffeine |
| 12:57.00 | Python1320 | This is really weird |
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| 12:57.15 | xororand | abrotman: rsync can _copy_ the files and retain the permissions but it can't transfer the permissions _only_, if i understand it correctly |
| 12:57.20 | bitweiler | gcc-3.3_3.3.6-15_i386.deb |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | xororand: so retransfer the files ? |
| 12:57.44 | xororand | abrotman: i don't want to copy the files |
| 12:58.01 | stew | bitweiler: yeah, that package contains /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
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| 12:58.57 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 12:59.27 | bitweiler | stew: I see it now but when I do a gcc -o dummy dummy.c i get a error saying gcc not found |
| 12:59.43 | stew | bitweiler: the command is gcc-3.3 not gcc |
| 12:59.46 | WormFood | could someone point me to the right place to hardcode the dhcp server (so dhcp won't set it)? |
| 12:59.57 | bitweiler | okay |
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| 13:01.07 | abrotman | WormFood: hardcode the what? |
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| 13:01.40 | mentor | WormFood: what? |
| 13:01.43 | mentor | oh |
| 13:01.46 | mentor | We already got there |
| 13:01.51 | bitweiler | gives stew big hug |
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| 13:02.17 | WormFood | oops...sorry....dns |
| 13:02.22 | WormFood | but I found it |
| 13:02.25 | WormFood | /etc/resolvconf |
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| 13:02.42 | WormFood | I mean to say hardcode the dns server |
| 13:03.08 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.34 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.06 | bitweiler | hey can I get build-essential that works with gcc-3.3? |
| 13:04.57 | WormFood | why would you want old gcc? (I'm not judging, just asking) |
| 13:05.09 | bitweiler | for LFS |
| 13:05.23 | WormFood | Linux From Scratch? |
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| 13:05.38 | bitweiler | nods |
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| 13:06.33 | bitweiler | gcc 4 maybe not work |
| 13:07.23 | stew | bitweiler: what is wrong with the build-essential in etch? |
| 13:08.30 | WormFood | maybe gcc don't work? |
| 13:08.44 | WormFood | what is the point in LFS is you're not gonna learn anything new? |
| 13:08.46 | stew | WormFood: why not? |
| 13:09.13 | WormFood | I've done LFS more than once |
| 13:09.23 | WormFood | its not a big deal, if you know what is going on |
| 13:09.38 | WormFood | and if you've never done it before, it is one hell of a learning experience |
| 13:10.13 | WormFood | anyways, have fun with gcc-3.x....I gotta go, see ya'll l8r |
| 13:10.16 | bitweiler | stew: I will not install so I need 9.3 version |
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| 13:10.46 | stew | bitweiler: you will not install what? you need the 9.3 version of what? |
| 13:11.28 | bitweiler | 9.3 version of build-essential since 11.3 version wants gcc >= 4 |
| 13:11.32 | nasedo | hello, i have a question |
| 13:11.48 | nasedo | My icons in notification area are invisible, what could be causing this? |
| 13:11.55 | stew | bitweiler: and what is wrong with having gcc >= 4 installed? |
| 13:11.57 | nasedo | Its the same behavior in gnome and kde |
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| 13:12.33 | bitweiler | stew: the LFS 6.4 recommends gcc-3 |
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| 13:12.54 | stew | bitweiler: ok |
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| 13:13.00 | stew | bitweiler: and you have that installed already, right? |
| 13:13.09 | bitweiler | yes |
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| 13:13.30 | stew | so what is the problem? |
| 13:14.20 | Python1320 | yay, at least got the dvd drive to work in windows |
| 13:14.33 | stew | bitweiler: does LFS 6.4 recommend that you have gcc 3 installed and require that you NOT have gcc 4 installed? |
| 13:14.58 | bitweiler | stew: build-essential 11.3 is the only deb file I can find on debian site which |
| 13:15.03 | bitweiler | stew: no |
| 13:15.59 | amgarching | I am using netinstall 5.01 ISO for AMD64, istallation completes with grub in MBR and a single partition on the disk. However the system doesnt boot when I remove CD after installation. What am I possibly doing wrong? |
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| 13:17.30 | bitweiler | stew: oh I see what your getting @ now install gcc 4 for build-essential huh? |
| 13:18.36 | sladi | amgarching, what does it do? Do you have just one HDD? |
| 13:18.56 | sladi | Could be you installed grub on the wrong disk then. |
| 13:20.06 | Milos | How can I determine my closest mirror? |
| 13:20.13 | Milos | The server is hosted in Texas. |
| 13:20.16 | mischief | Milos, apt-spy |
| 13:20.28 | mischief | !give Milos apt-spy |
| 13:20.28 | dpkg | gives Milos apt-spy |
| 13:20.28 | Milos | mischief, thanks. |
| 13:20.34 | Milos | fail |
| 13:20.37 | mischief | erm. |
| 13:20.38 | mischief | yes. |
| 13:20.41 | amgarching | sladi: one SATA HDD and IDE master CDROM. The system falls back to trying to PXE-boot over network. In BIOS HDD is listed as boot device before network cards. |
| 13:20.54 | mischief | it's something like |
| 13:20.54 | Milos | bot needs the special chars before and after action |
| 13:20.55 | mischief | !tell Milos about apt-spy |
| 13:21.23 | Milos | like \0x01 |
| 13:23.15 | sladi | amgarching, maybe you have some compatitbility mode enabled in Bios? No idea. |
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| 13:23.15 | rudi_s | abrotman: Thanks again for the program, this is exactly what I was looking for. |
| 13:23.19 | Judge-- | Hello, how can I apply a .diff? I mean , commit it |
| 13:23.26 | mjt | what's the way to modify X menu in debian nowadays? I used to use icewm which had ~/.icewm/menu, now I switched to lxde/openbox, and those are using "system" menu.... Any pointers where to look? |
| 13:23.54 | rudi_s | Judge--: You apply patches with patch (man patch), but what do you mean with commit? |
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| 13:24.52 | Judge-- | rudi_s I have a .diff and I want to make that differences active |
| 13:25.00 | Judge-- | sorry for not being clear |
| 13:25.22 | rudi_s | Judge--: What does this diff file patch? The source code of a program? |
| 13:25.59 | Judge-- | exaclty |
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| 13:26.27 | Judge-- | I'm in the right working directory but I'm confused with the mol possible parameters |
| 13:27.06 | Judge-- | what`s an ordinary context diff? |
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| 13:27.22 | rudi_s | Judge--: Run patch -p0 < path_to_diff_file, if this doesn't work use -p1 |
| 13:27.39 | amgarching | am I right that installing grub into MBR will overwrite it. Thus fixing ehatever was wrong there and may have prevented booting? |
| 13:27.55 | Judge-- | alright, thank you |
| 13:28.56 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:30.40 | abrotman | rudi_s: glad to help |
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| 13:40.37 | datenritter | hi! how can i _dis_able s2ram and hibernation on a debian box? |
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| 13:40.52 | datenritter | dpkg only points me to guides on enabling it |
| 13:40.53 | dpkg | datenritter: no idea |
| 13:41.14 | abrotman | datenritter: what is triggering it? |
| 13:41.24 | datenritter | abrotman: the users. ^^ |
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| 13:42.07 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how dangerous process it is to grow an umounted raid-5 array with mdadm |
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| 13:42.34 | JyZyXEL | someone told me few years ago it was "you may try if your data is not important to you" |
| 13:44.04 | abrotman | datenritter: yes, but how |
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| 13:44.30 | datenritter | thy click it in gnome or kde i guess. |
| 13:45.21 | datenritter | i don't want to fiddle with those window managers' settings, but prevent it systemwide. i might have to throw support for both out of the kernel i guess? |
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| 13:48.12 | abrotman | datenritter: it probably runs one of the scripts in /etc/acpi/ (i don't use s2ram, just a guess) |
| 13:48.24 | poncha|laptop | where is PATH defined for non-interactive shells ? |
| 13:49.20 | poncha|laptop | i've added stuff into /etc/profile but thats only for bash and only for interactive logons, i need init scripts to see what i put |
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| 13:50.43 | datenritter | abrotman: i don't have /etc/acpi o.O |
| 13:50.46 | opossum_oisif | hi, i have a fresh install to server connected via wifi but i m not yet connected ;), i see that wpa_supplicant isn't install by default so how do i do because my key is pass phrase ? |
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| 13:51.40 | BlueG | I have been using apt-get -t destribution -b source packages to install from source, is there a better way to do this with dependency handling? |
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| 13:52.00 | asdasdasd | ola |
| 13:52.02 | asdasdasd | !list |
| 13:52.03 | dpkg | asdasdasd: VATTENE VIA |
| 13:52.15 | abrotman | BlueG: /msg dpkg source .. you can use the build dep stuff |
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| 13:54.14 | Night_Elf | hi all. I have created an usb debian installation for rescue purposes. If I wanted to install a minimal X system and any lightweight window manager, what should I be aware of? Will it be tied to my current debian desktop which I'm using in the meanwhile for installation? |
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| 13:59.11 | BubbaT | How can I tell what distribution is on my machine? |
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| 13:59.56 | Night_Elf | BubbaT: for debian see what you get with: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:00.41 | datenritter | BubbaT: cat /etc/debian_version; uname -a |
| 14:00.53 | datenritter | check /etc/apt/sources.list also |
| 14:01.42 | datenritter | BubbaT: the logon-message might also tell you |
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| 14:02.35 | abrotman | lsb_release -a |
| 14:02.49 | RadSurfer | does anyone know why File transfers through Lan would be 10 times SLOWER than normal in debian? |
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| 14:04.27 | Night_Elf | RadSurfer: I once suspected slow transfers and I solved it by disabling ipv6 support. It could have been a combination of that with the network hardware, I'm not sure though. |
| 14:05.51 | PepperBob | RadSurfer: mh.. heavy traffic? |
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| 14:07.29 | _abbenormal | this sucks |
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| 14:08.01 | _abbenormal | just made a new kernel from debian sources and it still wont load up the netowrk |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | still? |
| 14:08.40 | mjt | why do you think your kernel will be better than default? |
| 14:08.56 | _abbenormal | yup |
| 14:09.23 | ShredZ | I am trying to upgrade sarge to lenny, but it complains about overwriting a file in another package, what Apt option causes this install to work again ? |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | ShredZ: you should go through etch first |
| 14:09.38 | mjt | ShredZ: which packages are that? |
| 14:09.49 | ShredZ | mjt debianutils and passwd |
| 14:10.08 | mjt | aha. that's core components |
| 14:10.12 | _abbenormal | because it doesnt have the extra stuff in it thats not on this m/b if im wrong then please tell me as i learned it was always better to build a kernel for your system to avoid anything that could cause stuff like memory leaks in the kernel as those are not on your system |
| 14:10.22 | _abbenormal | if im wrong on this please let me know |
| 14:10.22 | ShredZ | mjt, I know |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | _abbenormal: like what stuff ? |
| 14:10.51 | mjt | you can grab just the two packages from etch |
| 14:11.00 | mjt | and install them using dpkg |
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| 14:11.10 | ShredZ | good idea mjt |
| 14:11.27 | _abbenormal | well first i dont want or need the v4l stuff in the kernel as i use expermental driver for my cards but it loads them if i cannt tell it not too |
| 14:11.35 | mjt | or else you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/$foo.list and remove the offending files |
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| 14:12.32 | mjt | _abbenormal: you wont notice any diff. between custom-built kernel and debian-provided default. except of lack of support. |
| 14:12.54 | mjt | only in some exceptional cases |
| 14:12.56 | abrotman | _abbenormal: so just blacklist the ones you don't want |
| 14:13.18 | _abbenormal | ok then how do i build the v4l sources to match the debian kernel |
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| 14:13.36 | mjt | _abbenormal: which problem are you trying to solve? network or v4l? |
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| 14:14.11 | opossum_oisif | How do I get a .deb files via apt? |
| 14:14.13 | _abbenormal | well if i can use the stock kernel then just v4l |
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| 14:14.39 | mjt | opossum_oisif: apt-get --print-uris or -d |
| 14:14.51 | opossum_oisif | mjt, ok thx |
| 14:14.58 | mjt | opossum_oisif: man apt-get? |
| 14:15.09 | mjt | _abbenormal: so do you have probs with your network or not? |
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| 14:16.31 | _abbenormal | not with the stock kernel |
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| 14:17.22 | _abbenormal | the custom one builds the driver and loads the driver but the service do not start as before |
| 14:18.10 | mjt | which service? |
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| 14:19.32 | _abbenormal | has to be something with networking |
| 14:20.03 | _abbenormal | as it has the info and shows its loaded the driver and card but says its down |
| 14:20.15 | abrotman | _abbenormal: how did you build the new kernel ? |
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| 14:21.48 | _abbenormal | ln -s linux-source-2.6.30 linux then cd into linux then used this to build it as i have used in the past fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20090714.1 kernel_image |
| 14:22.22 | _abbenormal | oh copyed my config that worked on 27 so it has all of the setting for this system |
| 14:22.57 | RadSurfer | how is the ipv6 stuff disabled? |
| 14:23.11 | abrotman | _abbenormal: you do realize that the normal debian kernels use an initrd ? |
| 14:23.30 | abrotman | !tell RadSurfer about noipv6 |
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| 14:23.55 | _abbenormal | yes but can run on a custom with out |
| 14:23.58 | Night_Elf | I have created an usb debian. If i chroot in the usb disk mountpoint and install X, I fear it will be configured acording to my current hardware, graphic card and monitor and resolution etc. But that could be entirely wrong when booting from that same usb stick onto another machine. How could I make X as generic as possible in this case, with some autodetection of hardware, prefferably? |
| 14:24.27 | PepperBob | i created a directory in /tmp/ belonging to one user with chmod 777 - everytime i restart the machine (debian4) permissions are reset to 755.. why does that happen? |
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| 14:28.37 | sladi | Night_Elf, xorg 7.4 from experimental needs no xorg.conf and it's quite stable here. |
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| 14:30.19 | reaktae | Hi all! I need help mounting my debian host's root on my debian client using NFS. I have allowed yhe client in /etc/exports and have trouble with permissions now. I need root rw on the host at all times any suggestions? |
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| 14:31.38 | _abbenormal | abrotman do you know what has changed in the kernels over the last 3 versions this problem started for me on 28 |
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| 14:32.09 | _abbenormal | or did something in debian change |
| 14:34.15 | mjt | Night_Elf: lenny's xorg can work w/o config too |
| 14:34.48 | mjt | reaktae: man exports |
| 14:35.11 | Night_Elf | sladi: I will have a look at it then. And also I will see what mjt suggests. mjt, in the usb disk it's indeed lenny what I have. |
| 14:35.48 | mjt | Night_Elf: provided you've right xorg-video-xxx drivers installed it should work w/o xorg.conf |
| 14:36.00 | mjt | xserver-xorg-video-xxx |
| 14:36.12 | Night_Elf | mjt: what if I apt-get install several of them ? |
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| 14:36.16 | mjt | (by default it installs all drivers) |
| 14:36.21 | Night_Elf | ah |
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| 14:39.42 | RadSurfer | apparently that ipv6 isn't the problem -- it's like its copying 1mb per minute! |
| 14:39.52 | RadSurfer | why would this be so darn slow? |
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| 14:42.49 | Tapnzout | RadSurfer, are you sure your destination drive isn't almost full and highly fragmented? |
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| 14:43.09 | Tapnzout | i've experienced 2-3MB/sec reads/writes from highly fragmented drives on ext3 |
| 14:43.31 | Tapnzout | !tell Tapnzout about noipv6 |
| 14:44.19 | abrotman | _abbenormal: except it hasn't .. you said the debian .30 from backports.org works |
| 14:44.34 | _abbenormal | yes it loads up fine |
| 14:44.47 | abrotman | _abbenormal: so it's something you've done .. |
| 14:45.09 | _abbenormal | ok then its something ive been doing all along |
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| 14:45.18 | abrotman | i think we said that :) |
| 14:45.30 | _abbenormal | i need to learn another way now as what ive been doing has changed |
| 14:45.58 | _abbenormal | this is going to be hard as ive done this for over 5 years |
| 14:46.24 | _abbenormal | time to remake the wheel again |
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| 14:47.20 | abrotman | _abbenormal: which NIC is this? |
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| 14:47.51 | _abbenormal | 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP79 Ethernet (rev b1) |
| 14:47.51 | _abbenormal | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.51 | _abbenormal | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.00 | pdvyas | Guys, I tried net inst but my ethernet is not detected. I think the driver module reqd is alt2 |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | runs away in horror |
| 14:48.07 | abrotman | _abbenormal: did you check the udev stuff ? |
| 14:48.31 | _abbenormal | nope never had to in the past |
| 14:48.37 | _abbenormal | dont know how |
| 14:48.55 | skellington | how do i edit menu.lst as root? |
| 14:49.19 | _abbenormal | i use nano -w menu.list |
| 14:49.34 | _abbenormal | vi menu.list |
| 14:49.42 | _abbenormal | vim menu.list |
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| 14:49.56 | skellington | oh. but it wont let me save then, i dont think.. |
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| 14:50.07 | _abbenormal | as root it will |
| 14:50.26 | mjt | sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:50.30 | _abbenormal | nano -w use ctrl x then y to save as same name |
| 14:50.36 | _abbenormal | there ya go |
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| 14:50.48 | skellington | oh. ok thanks. |
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| 14:51.13 | _abbenormal | thats whats nice about linux a lot of different ways to do something |
| 14:51.24 | RadSurfer | couldn't be a BIOS/CMOS issue of some sort? |
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| 14:51.47 | RadSurfer | irq conflict? something that would interfere with efficency |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | !tell _abbenormal about 70 |
| 14:52.14 | brah | I have a problem, I ssh -X into a box but when I run some program I don't see anything |
| 14:52.18 | abrotman | RadSurfer: have you checked the logs ? |
| 14:52.23 | mjt | RadSurfer: that probs has gone in 198x |
| 14:52.23 | brah | I'm sure it's a local config problem as it works from other hosts |
| 14:52.26 | brah | what could it be? |
| 14:52.27 | RadSurfer | which logs. /var/logs/?? |
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| 14:52.56 | abrotman | /var/log/syslog;/var/log/messages |
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| 14:55.36 | jamon | brah: check sshd_config for X11Forwarding |
| 14:55.54 | brah | On the local host? |
| 14:55.56 | bitweiler | hey I have g++-4.1 installed but build-essential doesn't see how can I get dpkg -i to see g++-4.1? |
| 14:56.07 | mjt | brah: on remote, see $DISPLAY |
| 14:56.13 | bitweiler | s/see/see it/ |
| 14:56.15 | _abbenormal | ok dumb ? does that change with each boot up abrotman |
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| 14:56.37 | abrotman | _abbenormal: forcedeth sucks .. uhm .. i think there's a way to stop it from happening |
| 14:56.46 | abrotman | !forcedeth mac |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 14:57.01 | opossum_oisif | I have installed a debian without internet connection so I have a fresh debian with cli only how do I do to have a basic desktop interface with only necessarly package? |
| 14:57.14 | brah | X11Forwarding yes\nX11DisplayOffset 10\nTcpKeepAlive yes |
| 14:57.14 | _abbenormal | i know but only m/b with good known working hdmi output with sound at the time i bought it |
| 14:57.26 | brah | It works from my netbook, but not from my desktop |
| 14:57.29 | brah | Both Lenny 5.0.2 |
| 14:57.42 | brah | I haven't touched any firewall settings either |
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| 14:58.00 | mjt | hmm. i wonder.. i've several machines with forcedeth onboard, and neither of them changes MAC |
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| 14:58.21 | mjt | brah: sure you use ssh -X ? |
| 14:58.25 | brah | Yep |
| 14:58.34 | _abbenormal | ive not seen that also |
| 14:58.55 | mjt | !dpkg z25 |
| 14:58.55 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 14:59.04 | abrotman | we just went over that |
| 14:59.16 | mjt | nope ;) |
| 14:59.21 | abrotman | mjt: yes, we did |
| 14:59.34 | mjt | abrotman: it was 'forcedeth mac' |
| 14:59.40 | owner | Hi all! I need help setting up NFS between two debian machines. I keep having permission issues... Is there a way to get root rw access at all times? |
| 14:59.44 | abrotman | mjt: see above, the bot told him about '70' |
| 14:59.46 | mjt | 2 cross-linked factoids |
| 14:59.59 | mjt | but ok |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | beats his head off the desk |
| 15:00.29 | mjt | owner: don't do that |
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| 15:00.40 | _abbenormal | sorry abrotman i do that to people sometimes |
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| 15:00.52 | abrotman | _abbenormal: it's not you |
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| 15:01.26 | abrotman | _abbenormal: does the 70-persistent file have a bunch of lines for your forcedeth card ? |
| 15:01.41 | opossum_oisif | I haven't a 'gnome' package after fresh installed debian is it normal? |
| 15:02.03 | mjt | owner: you aren't supposed to open your box with full root rights from remote. but i told you already - see `man exports', there's an option in there to allow that. |
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| 15:02.13 | bitweiler | build-essential depends on g++ >= 4:4.1.1 is this a different version from g++-4.1_4.1.1-21_i386.deb? |
| 15:02.16 | mjt | opossum_oisif: gnome is a meta-package |
| 15:02.18 | owner | mjt: haha thanks... i'd really like to though... it's local only |
| 15:02.41 | opossum_oisif | mjt, but I haven't it isn't normal? |
| 15:02.41 | abrotman | opossum_oisif: do you have a regular http source ? |
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| 15:02.57 | _abbenormal | yes it does and looks the same as my other boxes i can compare too |
| 15:02.58 | opossum_oisif | abrotman, I am now right connected to internet |
| 15:03.03 | mjt | owner: tell me that the next time you'll come here after forgetting to remove that export from your exports file ;) |
| 15:03.18 | mjt | owner: the key word is 'squash' |
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| 15:03.31 | mjt | i'm out of here.. bbl. |
| 15:03.31 | owner | mjt: good point... thanks - i'm off to man a bit... |
| 15:03.35 | opossum_oisif | abrotman, I will look at my source.list file |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | opossum_oisif: not really what i asked .. |
| 15:04.07 | _abbenormal | # PCI device 0x10de:0x0ab0 (forcedeth) |
| 15:04.07 | _abbenormal | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:24:1d:1f:7f:b1", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
| 15:04.09 | RadSurfer | I haven't figured out yet how to get my Debian 5.0.2 box to be recognized (shares) in CentOS: is there Howto on this? |
| 15:04.12 | brah | mjt, problem solved, I should have checked with more than one program to see if it worked :) |
| 15:04.20 | opossum_oisif | abrotman, ok it is my source.list which is wrong |
| 15:04.40 | brah | Turns out it gets a "Firefox is already running and not responding", but it won't tell me so |
| 15:04.44 | abrotman | RadSurfer: you mean the samba shares? |
| 15:04.44 | RadSurfer | Debian see's shares from outside, but my other boxes don't get to see Debian as a shared-resource yet |
| 15:04.48 | RadSurfer | yup |
| 15:04.59 | RadSurfer | I tried several times to set up shares, and it hasn't worked |
| 15:05.03 | opossum_oisif | does somebody knows a default debian lenny source.list that I can wget? |
| 15:05.16 | RadSurfer | probably something simple... |
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| 15:05.53 | abrotman | opossum_oisif: man sources.list .. see debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 15:06.26 | opossum_oisif | abrotman, ok |
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| 15:08.45 | dimedo | hi, i'm trying to use the following shebang line: "#!/usr/bin/env ruby -w". it doesn't work because env complains about not finding "ruby -w". if i use the same line "env ruby -w FILENAME" on my shell it works nicely. may this be caused by an internal env command in my zsh shell and because shebang lines are parsed by the kernel? is there any way around that problem? |
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| 15:09.42 | brah | The thing with ssh -X is that the broadband on both lines takes a good beating :) |
| 15:10.01 | abrotman | dimedo: /usr/bin/env /usr/bin/ruby ? |
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| 15:10.41 | skellington | is there a network manager for debian that can scan for networks? |
| 15:10.59 | bitweiler | dpkg: build-essential depends on g++ >= 4:4.1.1 is this a different version from g++-4.1_4.1.1-21_i386.deb? |
| 15:11.00 | dpkg | that's too long, bitweiler |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | skellington: a few |
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| 15:11.14 | dimedo | abrotman: that doesn't make sense because i use the env command to be path independant with the ruby command |
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| 15:12.28 | abrotman | dimedo: i realize, just thought it would be something to try |
| 15:12.28 | skellington | any that you would recommend? |
| 15:12.35 | abrotman | dimedo: what is the acutal error ? |
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| 15:13.02 | bitweiler | dpkg: build-essential 11.3 depends |
| 15:13.02 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, bitweiler |
| 15:13.08 | dimedo | abrotman: "/usr/bin/env: ruby -w: No such file or directory" |
| 15:13.31 | abrotman | humor me, try the full ruby path |
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| 15:14.08 | pdvyas | netisnt help required. installing ethernet driver atl2 |
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| 15:16.21 | bitweiler | dpkg: configure package |
| 15:16.21 | dpkg | "" |
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| 15:16.50 | bitweiler | dpkg: whereis configure |
| 15:16.51 | dpkg | bitweiler: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:17.00 | bitweiler | lol |
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| 15:17.37 | bitweiler | debhelper: whereis configure |
| 15:17.58 | stew | bitweiler: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:18.14 | bitweiler | install build-essential |
| 15:18.32 | red_eyes | Hello. I am trying to install nvidia driver in debian gnome. But I get this error: unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. |
| 15:18.44 | stew | bitweiler: have you tried "aptitude install build-essential"? |
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| 15:19.05 | bitweiler | I have no network on machine |
| 15:19.17 | _abbenormal | red_eyes, thats normal let it finish running |
| 15:19.26 | _abbenormal | ive seen it many times |
| 15:19.35 | bitweiler | stew: but I have g++4.1 install and the dpkg says it's not installed |
| 15:19.38 | red_eyes | _abbenormal: All i can do is press OK |
| 15:19.46 | red_eyes | There is nothing running |
| 15:19.48 | beardy | red_eyes: If you have installed it, it is tarballed, in /usr/src, you might have to point what you are building to the correct directory, as it differs between distros, and such things usually default to where Red Hat keeps it, or some other lesser distro. |
| 15:19.50 | stew | bitweiler: how did you install g++4.1? |
| 15:19.51 | _abbenormal | yuppie keep going |
| 15:20.31 | bitweiler | dpkg -i g++-4.1_4.1.1-21_i386.deb |
| 15:20.31 | dpkg | installs g++-4.1_4.1.1-21_i386.deb into bitweiler's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 15:21.21 | stew | bitweiler: what does "dpkg -l g++-4.1 | tail -1" return? |
| 15:21.25 | red_eyes | it says to specify it with --kernel-source-path. If i press ok, the installation fails |
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| 15:22.21 | beardy | red_eyes: Yes. Unpack /usr/src/linux-2.6-?.tar.gz (don't recall exactt filename) and point --kernel-source-path to /usr/src/linux/ or what it unpacks to. |
| 15:22.33 | bitweiler | stew: ii g++-4.1 4.1.1-21 The GNU C++ compiler |
| 15:22.39 | red_eyes | I will try |
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| 15:23.08 | stew | bitweiler: so dpkg seems to think that g++4.1 is installed, what makes you say "dpkg says it's not installed" ? |
| 15:23.14 | stew | bitweiler: and what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:23.15 | red_eyes | beardy: There is nothing in /usr/src |
| 15:23.27 | bitweiler | etch |
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| 15:23.58 | beardy | red_eyes: Have you installed the linux-source package? |
| 15:24.08 | bitweiler | stew: 4.1.1-21 |
| 15:24.10 | DanDare | Hello, i have two gcc versions installed, 4.1 and 4.3. Now i have a Vmware script trying to compile but giving me error, how to choose wich gcc version to use ? |
| 15:24.14 | red_eyes | beardy: no |
| 15:24.17 | beardy | Thundering here.. bbl, don't want to pop another modem. |
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| 15:24.25 | red_eyes | ok... |
| 15:24.33 | beardy | red_eyes: Ok, do that, and it'll install a linux-source.tar.gz in /usr/src |
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| 15:24.54 | stew | bitweiler: what makes you say that "dpkg says it's not installed" ? |
| 15:24.59 | stew | bitweiler: or what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:25.04 | DanDare | if i try to uninstall gcc 4.3 it says will uninstall everything else i need "like g++ and others" how to deal ? |
| 15:25.09 | ajavid | good morning gang |
| 15:25.21 | justin | DanDare: don't uninstall gcc |
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| 15:25.46 | ajavid | haha /msg dpkg judd versions |
| 15:25.47 | DanDare | justin, my Lenny have 3 versions of gcc: 4.1 4.2 and 4.3 |
| 15:25.47 | ajavid | I'm an idiot |
| 15:25.51 | red_eyes | how to extract from tar.bz2? |
| 15:25.57 | ajavid | red_eyes, tar jxvf |
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| 15:26.02 | red_eyes | thanks |
| 15:26.03 | ajavid | red_eyes, j for bz2, z for gzip |
| 15:26.07 | ajavid | red_eyes, man tar |
| 15:26.09 | red_eyes | thanks |
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| 15:26.47 | bitweiler | stew: dpkg -i build-essential_11.3_i386.deb says" build-essential depends on g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) however: Package g++ is not installed. |
| 15:27.00 | ajavid | DanDare, you can set which one you wnat to use to compile thigns |
| 15:27.11 | DanDare | ajavid, how to do it ? |
| 15:27.17 | stew | bitweiler: yes, you'd need to install the g++ package, you instead installed the g++-4.1 package |
| 15:27.19 | ajavid | DanDare, don't have to uninstall, just export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-x.x |
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| 15:27.37 | ajavid | ((no idea what you're trying to do, I'll shuddup) |
| 15:27.54 | stew | bitweiler: if you are doing this on a machine wihtout a network, you might look at using the apt-zip package to help you get the pacakges you'd need |
| 15:27.58 | DanDare | ajavid, doing so when it needs it will automatically be used the setted one? environment wise ? |
| 15:28.10 | ajavid | DanDare, afaik, yes |
| 15:28.17 | DanDare | ajavid, very thanks |
| 15:28.29 | bitweiler | stew: oh thanks I thought they were the same package |
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| 15:28.50 | red_eyes | I get many "couldn't open: No such file or directory" when i was extracting from linux-source2.6.26.tar.bz2 |
| 15:29.08 | DanDare | ok, another one: It seems Lenny kernel was compiled using 4.1 version... it´s ok to use different versions to compile anything? Or should i use the same version used to compile the kernel ? |
| 15:29.10 | ajavid | red_eyes, where is this bz2 file, what command did you run? |
| 15:29.41 | red_eyes | I ran tar jzvf file. The file was in /usr/src |
| 15:29.51 | ajavid | you have no permissions there |
| 15:29.53 | ajavid | as user |
| 15:29.55 | red_eyes | ok |
| 15:29.59 | red_eyes | sorry |
| 15:30.01 | ajavid | try sudo blah blah |
| 15:30.03 | red_eyes | :\ |
| 15:30.12 | ajavid | in fact, uhm.. I'm tryig to remember something else |
| 15:30.31 | red_eyes | ok it is extracting now... |
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| 15:30.58 | ajavid | ahh i can't remember, I need my banana milkshake |
| 15:31.08 | ajavid | red_eyes, have you read the debian kernel howtos? |
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| 15:32.18 | red_eyes | ajavid: no.. not yet |
| 15:32.18 | ajavid | DanDare, what are you trying to do really? |
| 15:32.27 | ajavid | !tell red_eyes -about kernel compile |
| 15:32.42 | bitweiler | is there a way to remove symlinks? |
| 15:32.48 | stew | DanDare: you need to use the same major version of gcc to compile out of tree modules as was used to compile the kernel |
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| 15:33.12 | ajavid | DanDare, for example.. nm, stew got it |
| 15:33.29 | dirkson | Hey all. Is there any way I can tell apt, "Install all the dependencies for package X, but don't actually install package X"? |
| 15:33.29 | stew | DanDare: so if you compiled your kernel with 4.1.2, you could use 4.1.3 or 4.1.2 or 4.1.1 to compile some out-of-tree module, but not 4.2.x or 4.3.x or 3.3... |
| 15:33.42 | ajavid | DanDare, like for example if you build a kernel with 4.1, and later you need to build nvidia module, you HAVE to use 4.1 (or the same version as kernel) |
| 15:33.58 | red_eyes | ok, I will, but at the moment, I am using a terminal only. |
| 15:33.59 | \amethyst | dirkson: aptitude install ~RpackageX |
| 15:34.24 | ajavid | bitweiler, just rm the symlink? |
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| 15:34.37 | stew | dirkson: perhaps something like "aptitude install '~Rpackagename'" |
| 15:34.45 | ezyang | Hello all; if I have a file /usr/bin/foo, how do I find out what package it came from? |
| 15:34.53 | stew | ezyang: dpkg -S /usr/bin/foo |
| 15:35.05 | ezyang | That's... really slow and doesn't even work half the time |
| 15:35.06 | stew | ezyang: (or use dlocate, which is faster, but not installed by default) |
| 15:35.13 | \amethyst | ezyang: dpkg -S /usr/bin/foo dlocate -S /usr/bin/foo (faster if you have it and the db is updated) apt-file search /usr/bin/foo |
| 15:35.13 | ezyang | Oh, nice |
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| 15:35.42 | Traveler2 | is it possible to send nagios alerts to specific email addresses?, like lets say i have a user named george, and i would like george to get emails for his servers 'george_1, and george_2'. but not for all the other servers like 'notgeorge_1, and not_george_2' ? |
| 15:35.47 | red_eyes | Can someone please help me set up the nvidia driver? |
| 15:35.56 | \amethyst | apt-file searches the archive, so it won't catch files in locally-built packages, but it will catch files in packages you don't have installed |
| 15:36.08 | ezyang | great |
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| 15:36.58 | csupka91 | hey! I have a problem about sendmail, I have a server (www.hunrun.com) and I have running sendmail, I can send a mail etc to csupka.norbert@gmail.com, but info@hunrun.com doesn't get the message :S |
| 15:36.59 | dirkson | \amethyst: stew: Thanks! |
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| 15:40.13 | vlt | Hello. I need help connecting to a WPA wifi. `iwconfig` lists "eth1" and "wifi0" as available devices. `iwlist scan` shows my AP. I configured /etc/network/interfaces and the device comes up (is listed in ifconfig). But dhclient fails. Any idea what to check first? |
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| 15:41.09 | cahoot | vlt: no wpa key to offer? |
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| 15:42.04 | vlt | cahoot: I entered the 64(?!) hex digit key to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:42.29 | csupka91 | why the hell the fuckin sendmail doesn't work well? :@ |
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| 15:43.07 | Administrator__ | what minimal install cd do I get if I want to install debian the netinst (generally 135-175 MB) and businesscard (generally 20-50 MB) CD images? |
| 15:43.25 | dirkson | csupka91: Ahh. It is sendmail. Obviously your Guru status isn't epic enough for it to work for you. (Yeah, I can't make that shit work either.) |
| 15:43.40 | csupka91 | it worked to me |
| 15:43.48 | csupka91 | and I can send a mail to gmail |
| 15:43.50 | csupka91 | and everywhere |
| 15:44.00 | csupka91 | but to info@hunrun.com or in hunrun.com mails I can't send -.- |
| 15:44.11 | csupka91 | and I don't know why |
| 15:44.19 | csupka91 | somewhy qmail doesn't want to be installed |
| 15:44.29 | _abbenormal | i use net install has always worked the best |
| 15:44.43 | csupka91 | and somewhy ntop doesn't good too: Jul 14 06:34:03 hunrun ntop[2433]: **WARNING** packet truncated (8574->8232) |
| 15:45.49 | csupka91 | dirkson: what are you using? |
| 15:45.57 | _abbenormal | save you from having to d/l the extra disk and burn them Administrator__ |
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| 15:46.21 | _abbenormal | plus whats in the iso is older than what you can d/l |
| 15:46.40 | dirkson | csupka91: Mostly, I'm dealing without mail until such a time as I'm absolutely forced to use it. |
| 15:46.58 | csupka91 | I need mail :S |
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| 15:47.04 | csupka91 | this is the problem |
| 15:47.11 | _abbenormal | only reason to get the disk is if your connection is very slow |
| 15:47.28 | _abbenormal | or if you just want it as it was released |
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| 15:48.00 | FairFight | how do i find out what my servers ip is, out to the world? |
| 15:48.17 | csupka91 | ipconfig maybe |
| 15:48.19 | csupka91 | or ifconfig |
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| 15:48.24 | _abbenormal | ip addr |
| 15:48.24 | Administrator__ | _abbenormal aright well im downloading debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso now to get it a try, haven't used debian in a long time so im not up to par on its lingo |
| 15:48.48 | FairFight | i can only find my internal ip with ifconfig |
| 15:48.48 | _abbenormal | it comes back fast |
| 15:49.20 | _abbenormal | ok use a browser and google iptools it will give you your ip as it sees it |
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| 15:50.16 | Black_Phantom | Hello, why Debian has outdated packages/softwares in the stable resp. ? |
| 15:50.31 | _abbenormal | because its stable |
| 15:50.40 | \amethyst | Black_Phantom: because, other than security fixes, stable doesn't change once it is released |
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| 15:50.51 | Black_Phantom | like everytime I want to upgrade a software, I have to compile the source, there is any other way ? |
| 15:50.58 | stew | Black_Phantom: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 15:51.13 | stew | Black_Phantom: which package do you need a newer version of? |
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| 15:51.41 | Black_Phantom | stew Openoffice.org I downloaded the DEBS from the site, but when I ran dpkg -i it encountered errors and stuff |
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| 15:52.27 | Black_Phantom | Backports are daily updated packages ? |
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| 15:52.41 | Titan | where can I get checkbashisms |
| 15:52.52 | stew | Black_Phantom: you shouldn't try to dpkg -i a package from another release |
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| 15:53.01 | \amethyst | Black_Phantom: not daily... it is sid/unstable that gets daily updates |
| 15:53.21 | stew | Titan: the devscripts package |
| 15:53.24 | Black_Phantom | hmmm how can I add it to my sources.list ? |
| 15:53.26 | \amethyst | Black_Phantom: sometimes people backport packages from unstable to stable |
| 15:53.33 | \amethyst | !lenny backports |
| 15:53.41 | \amethyst | !backports |
| 15:53.41 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 15:53.58 | Black_Phantom | coz 1 time I messed up the sources, and everything was screwed |
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| 15:54.02 | Black_Phantom | I need the exact link |
| 15:54.05 | stew | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 15:54.05 | judd | stew: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1:3.0.1-9 lenny-backports: 1:3.1.0-5~bpo50+2 sid: 1:3.1.0-5 experimental: 1:3.1.1~ooo310m14-1 |
| 15:54.19 | stew | Black_Phantom: ^^ backports.org has a newever version of openoffice.org for lenny |
| 15:54.32 | Titan | thanks stew |
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| 15:56.16 | Black_Phantom | apt-get -t lenny-backports install âpackageâ |
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| 15:56.35 | Black_Phantom | I need to write this everytime I want to install a package from backports ? |
| 15:56.57 | stew | Black_Phantom: right |
| 15:57.11 | Black_Phantom | ok thanks all :) |
| 15:57.49 | stew | Black_Phantom: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" report for "Installed:" ? |
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| 15:58.12 | Black_Phantom | 2.7-18 |
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| 16:00.46 | Black_Phantom | stew why ? |
| 16:01.26 | stew | Black_Phantom: to make sure that in your attempts to install packages from other releases you hadn't actually partially upgraded |
| 16:01.33 | stew | Black_Phantom: but you are fine, don't worry about it |
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| 16:02.23 | _abbenormal | that would be different with what version your running right stew |
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| 16:03.04 | stew | _abbenormal: what? |
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| 16:03.50 | _abbenormal | the policy is different with what your running so sid would give a different policy version |
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| 16:04.55 | bakti | hello, please which file i must edit to setup permission of crontab of users |
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| 16:08.10 | Black_Phantom | ok thanks stew |
| 16:08.12 | stew | _abbenormal: sid would have a different version of libc6, if that is what you are asking |
| 16:09.08 | _abbenormal | yes was trying list info on my how2 so as to remember the command thanks |
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| 16:14.19 | Cain | I just install the apt-file package : is it fine that it takes long to do apt-file update ? (10 mn now and no response) |
| 16:14.33 | _abbenormal | yes |
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| 16:14.51 | _abbenormal | it take awhile to load the cache for files info |
| 16:15.01 | Cain | ah okey ^^ |
| 16:15.49 | rozie | use wajig |
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| 16:46.18 | aarkerio | hi! does anybody getting "ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such file or directory" |
| 16:46.34 | aarkerio | when try wpa_supplicant ? |
| 16:46.51 | Black_Phantom | brb |
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| 16:54.12 | cahoot | aarkerio: iwlist scan works? |
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| 16:56.59 | Paul_E | Hi all, how can I list all of the network adapters installed? |
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| 16:57.52 | sepult | Paul_E: with ifconfig |
| 16:58.07 | sepult | Paul_E: or netstat even |
| 16:58.27 | sepult | Paul_E: netstat is a little more verbose |
| 16:58.31 | sepult | lol |
| 16:58.33 | Paul_E | I'd like to see the ones that aren't active. |
| 16:58.46 | stew | Paul_E: lspci |
| 16:58.54 | Paul_E | thanks, stew |
| 16:58.58 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all, this question is intended for KDE users, I wonder to know what are the benefits of using KDE instead of Gnome ... I'm using Gnome since long time ago and don't understand why it's indicted |
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| 17:00.04 | sepult | The_Coffe_Maker: offtopic here |
| 17:00.07 | sepult | try #kde |
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| 17:00.17 | sepult | or #debian-kde |
| 17:00.23 | TheCoffeMaker | sepult, ok |
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| 17:00.45 | TheCoffeMaker | sepult, thanks :) |
| 17:00.50 | sepult | np |
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| 17:01.33 | sepult | TheCoffeMaker: but if you want to know why i am using kde, then i just tell it's a habit |
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| 17:02.16 | TheCoffeMaker | sepult, similar happends to me with gnome :P |
| 17:02.52 | Irishmanluke | I like nautilus |
| 17:02.57 | bizhan | Hi All, I have created a generic initramfs that i can boot to it, now I want to change the rootfs to file system on my sata disk (/dev/sda1) how could I do it? |
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| 17:05.52 | znull | hello, how can i download packages (.deb) with apt without installing them? thanks |
| 17:06.11 | sepult | znull: man apt-get, or apt-get -d package |
| 17:06.35 | sepult | znull: even apt-get --help |
| 17:06.48 | znull | sepult : E: Invalid operation with -d package |
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| 17:07.32 | sepult | znull: substitute package with the package you want |
| 17:07.43 | znull | sepult : did that.. |
| 17:08.10 | chellomere | you need to include an operation too. "install" in this case... |
| 17:08.32 | sepult | right |
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| 17:09.01 | znull | sepult : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ( itdoesn't want to download the file..) |
| 17:09.23 | sepult | woh |
| 17:09.27 | chellomere | znull, I believe it's already downloaded then. |
| 17:10.09 | znull | chellmore : nothing on /var/cache/apt regarding that package |
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| 17:10.59 | chellomere | hmm appears that apt-get doesn't even try to download it if it's already installed, even if it's not locally cached |
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| 17:11.49 | sepult | maybe use -f then too ? |
| 17:12.26 | znull | same |
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| 17:14.50 | swemark | Could anyone point me in the right direction to be able to install [Lenny]Imagemagick without downloading half an X-installation? |
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| 17:15.23 | abrotman | swemark: you can try -R .. but it probably requires a fair amount of X libs |
| 17:15.28 | abrotman | and it's not really installing X |
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| 17:17.00 | swemark | i read that its only for svg etc which i dont really use anyway |
| 17:17.17 | swemark | ill give R a try |
| 17:17.19 | swemark | cheers |
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| 17:19.17 | pdvyas | where can i find the list of contents of debian cd 1? |
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| 17:19.39 | chellomere | !cd contents |
| 17:19.39 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 17:22.05 | pdvyas | thanks |
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| 17:22.37 | mjt | how to edit X menu in debian? |
| 17:22.46 | cusco | X menu? |
| 17:23.52 | mjt | gnome/lxde/whatever -- the one that's named "start" in 'doze |
| 17:24.02 | mjt | and also where's "autostart" thing for X stuff? |
| 17:24.21 | mjt | i used to use .xsession (for startx) but it does not quite work with gdm |
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| 17:24.47 | mjt | so all my settings are gone |
| 17:25.03 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to connect to a WPA wifi AP using wpa_supplicant. Can anyone see in its output where's the problem here? http://stikked.com/view/39018719 |
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| 17:28.23 | cusco | if you are using gnome you can use the "sessions" on the administration gnome menu |
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| 17:28.58 | cusco | anybody knows what is the quiquiest way that comes with gnome to launch a gtk dialog box from commandline |
| 17:29.03 | cusco | asking for a password |
| 17:29.54 | \amethyst | cusco: zenity |
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| 17:31.40 | \amethyst | cusco: e.g. mypass=$(zenity --entry --text="Please enter the password for foobar" --hide-text) |
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| 17:32.18 | datenritter | could it be libapache2-mod-perl2 is missing /etc/apache2/mods-available/perl.conf ?? |
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| 17:32.57 | datenritter | i had to create perl.conf manually to install the handler vor .pl files, so i guess there's something wrong about the package. can anybody confirm? |
| 17:32.59 | \amethyst | cusco: if you're going to want to pass the password you got on to su or sudo, just use gksu or gksudo instead |
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| 17:41.31 | ajavid | ~ie |
| 17:41.32 | apt | hmm... ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil |
| 17:41.39 | ajavid | apt, you're alive, word. |
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| 17:42.19 | cusco | \amethyst: its not that |
| 17:42.28 | cusco | \amethyst: thanks. Let me check |
| 17:42.46 | Spliffster | can anyone tell me how i would reset dbus permissions to the default settings ? |
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| 17:43.19 | valdyn | Spliffster: depends on what you broke |
| 17:43.58 | cusco | \amethyst: it works, thanks |
| 17:44.11 | sigmonsays | Can someone kick me in the right direction for building a .deb package? |
| 17:44.11 | Spliffster | unfortunately, i don't know. but i have permission problems with network-admin, volume control, user manager and probably more apps (gnome) after the last update which included a dbus update |
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| 17:44.32 | valdyn | Spliffster: so you really just need to get used to policykit |
| 17:44.43 | valdyn | Spliffster: it *is* at default settings |
| 17:45.29 | Spliffster | valdyn: hmmm ... does this mean i gonna read a couple of hours up until i am able to watch tv again ? |
| 17:45.30 | Spliffster | gnnn |
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| 17:45.55 | valdyn | Spliffster: took me few minutes |
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| 17:46.18 | valdyn | Spliffster: but: install policykit-gnome and run polkit-gnome-authorization |
| 17:46.22 | RadSurfer2 | Anyone using Lazarus-IDE? apparently it does not work right under Debian |
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| 17:46.55 | Spliffster | valdyn: that last hint was vlauable, thank you! |
| 17:46.56 | valdyn | Spliffster: i have no idea which tv program would be polkit controlled, are you talking about totem? |
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| 17:47.09 | carrot | Hi, I'm wondering how I can find out whether a computer is using ATI or Nvidia without cracking it open? |
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| 17:47.16 | Spliffster | valdyn: my tv works, just without sound ... not much fun :-/ |
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| 17:47.28 | Spliffster | valdyn: my tv app is self knitted |
| 17:47.33 | valdyn | Spliffster: pulseaudio? |
| 17:47.45 | carrot | Also, are there optimizations I can do for multicore, or is stock debian taking advantage of that already? |
| 17:47.50 | Spliffster | valdyn: and dbus permissions shit on gnome's audio output suddenly |
| 17:47.54 | Spliffster | that's the problem |
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| 17:48.04 | valdyn | carrot: you need to install a kernel other than -486, just a -686 one |
| 17:48.26 | carrot | valdyn: I am on a G5 |
| 17:48.27 | valdyn | Spliffster: its much nicer now than it was, i find |
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| 17:48.43 | valdyn | carrot: I dont know then |
| 17:49.03 | Spliffster | valdyn: might be true ... maybe i should get rid of the tv entirely. i might not loose much nowadays ;) |
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| 17:52.43 | careta | I have a clevo m746s with debian squeeze. My screen is not detected properly, I get 800x600 resolution instead of 1440x900. What can I do? |
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| 17:54.36 | swemark | imagemagick depends are shite |
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| 17:55.11 | swemark | Suppose i cant somehow install an etch package in lenny? |
| 17:55.55 | cusco | no |
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| 17:56.00 | swemark | :/ |
| 17:56.12 | cusco | why can't you install imagemagick? |
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| 17:56.42 | Spliffster | still having dbus permission problems: i have checked with gnome's policy kit an my user has no rights to dbus anymore, none. i do not think this is the same like after a fresh install. a dbus update might have cause this. is there a way to reverse policies to factory defaults ? |
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| 17:56.54 | swemark | apparently it started depending on libgtk etc |
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| 17:57.51 | swemark | and installing gtk on a headless server makes no sense to me |
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| 17:58.10 | amphi | imagemagick does not appear to have any gtk deps |
| 17:58.11 | Irishmanluke | debhelper: 15 more to go |
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| 17:58.36 | Spliffster | amphi: no and it shouldn't |
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| 17:59.45 | swemark | amphi, Spliffster aptitude why imagemagick libgtk2.0-0 |
| 17:59.45 | swemark | pi imagemagick Depends libmagick10 |
| 17:59.47 | swemark | pBA libmagick10 Depends libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0) |
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| 18:00.06 | swemark | so yeah it does |
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| 18:01.25 | Spliffster | swemark: might be because of display (it uses some X widgets but i always thought it was Tk) |
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| 18:02.13 | swemark | according to google its because of imagemagick supporting svg and wmf |
| 18:02.16 | Spliffster | swemark: but commands like convert, mogrify, etc. shouldn't depend on gui libraries |
| 18:02.37 | swemark | wouldnt the libraries still get loaded? |
| 18:02.47 | Spliffster | depends on the programmer |
| 18:03.12 | Spliffster | swemark: if convert is a seperate binary without deps to gui libs, it shouldn't |
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| 18:03.46 | swemark | Yeah i suppose |
| 18:03.54 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:04.17 | swemark | having a mere 256MB ram and being jumped with Newly installed packages (71) on upgrade is no fun :) |
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| 18:05.15 | swemark | Thank you for your help Spliffster |
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| 18:06.52 | RadSurfer | Ok. this is interesting. I swapped Debian 5.0.2 for my Mandriva harddrive -- under Mandriva I can push about 6mb/secs, I get something like 900kb/sec under Debian. That amazes me theres such a clear difference in performance. |
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| 18:07.13 | Black_Phantom | Hello, does apt-get upgrade performs the same operation as the update manager does ? |
| 18:07.18 | RadSurfer | In regards to why moving files through the LAN appeared very slow under Debian 5.0.2 |
| 18:08.17 | Spliffster | i am looking for a way to reset policies, any hint ? |
| 18:08.25 | Spliffster | Black_Phantom: yes |
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| 18:08.51 | Black_Phantom | ok thanks Spliffster |
| 18:08.55 | Spliffster | Black_Phantom: except with the update-manager you may deselect packages which are due for an update |
| 18:09.10 | Black_Phantom | I see |
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| 18:09.33 | fxiny | RadSurfer: scp ? |
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| 18:11.15 | abrotman | RadSurfer: did you try what i had said about the winbind stuff? |
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| 18:12.06 | RadSurfer | I did update WinBind, etc., it didn't help. I didn't try to "hand-tweak" it |
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| 18:12.14 | RadSurfer | I tried to disable ipv6, that didn't help |
| 18:12.20 | RadSurfer | Whats scp? |
| 18:12.42 | Spliffster | ok, scp is not your problem then RadSurfer |
| 18:12.43 | Mick1 | Why is /proc/kcore 4 gig? |
| 18:12.47 | RadSurfer | Debian is having issues with Lazarus-IDE, free pascal visual compiler :( so thats another concern I have now. |
| 18:13.01 | Spliffster | scp is secure copy (copy files with TLS) |
| 18:13.03 | RadSurfer | Its a standard EIDE 160gb hdd |
| 18:13.04 | aliceinwire | .lart-add infila una mano nel sedere di $who |
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| 18:15.19 | abrotman | RadSurfer: did you add it to your /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 18:17.33 | Dominicus | *port forwarded |
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| 18:34.10 | xsamurai | ok i have a an etch box that I cannot update to lenny right now but I need to install libpam_heimdal which requires libc6 to be atleast 2.7-1 , soo how do i get around this without upgrading ? |
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| 18:35.49 | chellomere | xsamurai, etch has libpam-heimdal? |
| 18:36.13 | poisonbit | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libpam-heimdal |
| 18:37.02 | xsamurai | even if i go libpam-krb5 same issue |
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| 18:37.31 | xsamurai | should i upgrade libc6 by hand |
| 18:37.33 | xsamurai | ? |
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| 18:37.55 | xsamurai | errr libc6 |
| 18:38.05 | poisonbit | no, in a clean etch, you should do: apt-get install libpam-heimdal |
| 18:38.10 | poisonbit | see the url |
| 18:38.11 | chellomere | xsamurai, sorry, what exact errors are you getting? you're no trying to install lenny packages on etch, are you? |
| 18:38.19 | xsamurai | chellomere: nope |
| 18:38.26 | xsamurai | libpam-krb5: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 is to be installed |
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| 18:38.34 | xsamurai | poisonbit: checking |
| 18:38.42 | chellomere | xsamurai, etch packages do not require libc6 2.7. |
| 18:38.50 | poisonbit | set your sources.list to old-stable |
| 18:38.57 | poisonbit | or to etch |
| 18:39.02 | chellomere | better set it to etch |
| 18:39.20 | chellomere | it's likely that your sources.list is referring to stable atm |
| 18:39.28 | xsamurai | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib non-free |
| 18:39.30 | chellomere | and the current stable is lenny |
| 18:39.51 | chellomere | xsamurai, can you please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libpam-heimdal? |
| 18:40.39 | xsamurai | one sec |
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| 18:42.30 | xsamurai | chellomere: found the problem security was pointing to stable, saw that via apt-cache |
| 18:42.41 | chellomere | xsamurai, I was actually guessing that |
| 18:42.42 | xsamurai | thanks |
| 18:42.48 | chellomere | np |
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| 18:42.58 | xsamurai | i learned something new |
| 18:44.39 | Mick1 | Why is /proc/kcore 4 gig? What is this file? |
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| 18:46.14 | chellomere | Mick1, /proc/ is a virtual file system provided by your kernel. the file is not stored on your hdd. |
| 18:46.15 | cahoot | Mick1: it's just virtual |
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| 18:46.52 | chellomere | Mick1, if you read it, you read out the contents of your RAM |
| 18:46.54 | Mick1 | hooray. What does it do? |
| 18:47.07 | poisonbit | man proc |
| 18:47.08 | Mick1 | Thanks. |
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| 18:49.25 | poisonbit | Mick1, http://paste.debian.net/41848 (man proc -> /kcore) |
| 18:51.02 | poisonbit | Mick1, sudo strings /proc/kcore | grep some_clear_text_stored_in_ram_passwd |
| 18:51.32 | type32 | wow...that was smart I did a "cat /proc/kcore" |
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| 18:51.53 | Mick1 | poisonbit: Got the idea a while ago. Thanks for then in-depth though :-) |
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| 18:52.04 | type32 | haha my computer is constantly beeping |
| 18:52.22 | Mick1 | type32: Try to pipe it in your audio-device. |
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| 18:54.00 | radex | moin |
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| 18:55.13 | marcel` | moin |
| 18:56.59 | type32 | Mick1, it says the device is busy |
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| 18:57.21 | type32 | Mick1, mainly because I'm not 100% sure how to do it |
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| 18:59.05 | poisonbit | cat /proc/kcore > /dev/your_sound_device ? low the speakers volume |
| 18:59.16 | cahoot | type32: try ' yes|aplay' if you want beep |
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| 18:59.58 | type32 | cahoot, thats more of a spear than a beep |
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| 19:00.12 | cahoot | noise then |
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| 19:04.15 | type32 | there we go, had something using my card, and don't know how to put it through alsa mixer |
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| 19:05.27 | marcel` | what esssential for sound again? alsa-utils or alsa-base? should say -base but i remember there was something to it.. |
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| 19:07.03 | type32 | marcel`, i do aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils |
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| 19:08.14 | marcel` | type32: sounds safe enough :) |
| 19:08.30 | poisonbit | alsa is a metapackage that depends on alsa-base. alsa-base recomends alsa-utils |
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| 19:31.44 | MasterOfOink | Noch jemand von Schaden gespammed? |
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| 19:34.51 | newmember | where does debian keep the rules file that matches the pysical nic to the nic name like eth0? |
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| 19:35.16 | _abbenormal | is it not loading your nic |
| 19:35.27 | poisonbit | /etc/udev.d/ ? |
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| 19:36.19 | hark | !70 |
| 19:36.19 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 19:36.23 | poisonbit | /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 19:38.31 | _abbenormal | !tell forcedeth mac |
| 19:38.49 | _abbenormal | forcedeth mac |
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| 19:38.59 | _abbenormal | !forcedeth mac |
| 19:38.59 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 19:39.18 | chellomere | _abbenormal, you can do /msg dpkg forcedeth mac and have dpkg tell you about it |
| 19:39.30 | _abbenormal | thanks |
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| 19:42.33 | Theoden | Debian 'Lenny' 5.0.2 |
| 19:42.33 | Theoden | Desktop: KDE-4.2.4 |
| 19:42.33 | Theoden | Hostname: Curmudgeon |
| 19:42.33 | Theoden | SysInfo: Linux 2.6.30-theo.1 |
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| 19:42.53 | _abbenormal | how does it get this info in the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 19:43.09 | _abbenormal | should this match what lspci shows # PCI device 0x10de:0x0ab0 (forcedeth) |
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| 19:43.50 | _abbenormal | lspci shows this 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP79 Ethernet (rev b1) |
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| 19:44.18 | chellomere | _abbenormal, try lspci -n |
| 19:44.26 | mjt | _abbenormal: 70-persistent-net.rules is based on the MAC address, not pci id |
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| 19:46.43 | _abbenormal | thanks |
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| 19:47.00 | abrotman | _abbenormal: lspci -nn |
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| 19:47.22 | abrotman | wait .. no |
| 19:47.44 | solars | hey, does anyone know how to solve something like: gqcam: Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) which is a virtual package. |
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| 19:47.54 | _abbenormal | that one is closer |
| 19:48.00 | solars | I need something to capture images from webcam |
| 19:48.17 | _abbenormal | 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: nVidia Corporation MCP79 Ethernet [10de:0ab0] (rev b1) |
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| 19:49.36 | poisonbit | solars, try cheese |
| 19:49.44 | foo-nix | How can I determine which file in /dev is the device I need? I.e. I installed a dvb device, but cannot find it. |
| 19:49.56 | poisonbit | foo-nix, dmesg |
| 19:49.58 | foo-nix | I loaded the correct modules. |
| 19:50.04 | foo-nix | poisonbit, kk, thanx |
| 19:50.04 | solars | poisonbit, thank you |
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| 19:56.12 | foo-nix | I seem to be in need of installing firmware: [ 2194.703765] dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw) Please see linux/Documentation/dvb/ for more details on firmware-problems. (-2) I found the .fw files online, but have no idea how to install them? Are they located in a apt repository? |
| 19:57.56 | peleg | Hey. Anyone familiar with dict and dictd? I have modified dictd.order and restarted dictd, but definitions still appear in the old order. |
| 19:58.19 | mjt | foo-nix: /lib/firmware/$filename |
| 19:58.31 | abrotman | foo-nix: did you read the docs? usually /lib/firmware/ |
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| 19:58.56 | mjt | foo-nix: exactly as asked -- in your case it'll be /lib/firmware/dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw |
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| 20:00.12 | foo-nix | abrotman, I realized this is a trivia question, unfortunately, googling it results in many ways of installing firmware for some package and some distro, resulting i9n a howto not applying to my situation. |
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| 20:00.46 | foo-nix | thank you all. |
| 20:01.03 | mjt | what's the list of compose-key combinations? |
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| 20:01.28 | mjt | like <compose>+", o = ö |
| 20:01.33 | poisonbit | foo-nix, if you want to know if there are oficial packages with the files, you can search for the file names in packages.debian.org |
| 20:01.36 | foo-nix | it seems to work :P [ 2847.913417] dvb-usb: Pinnacle PCTV 72e successfully initialized and connected. |
| 20:01.54 | foo-nix | poisonbit, that sounds usefull |
| 20:02.08 | foo-nix | poisonbit, copy paste install isn't the most fancyest :) |
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| 20:03.22 | poisonbit | firmwares uses to has bad licenses... |
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| 20:06.21 | poisonbit | mjt, http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html ? |
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| 20:09.36 | ShishKabab | Hello. Is there a way to only download all available updates and sometime later actually install them? |
| 20:10.04 | cusco | yes |
| 20:10.11 | cusco | apt-get upgrade -d |
| 20:10.15 | cusco | download only |
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| 20:11.00 | ShishKabab | cusco: Thank you. I have an hourly data limit so I have to download everything overnight :S |
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| 20:12.20 | poisonbit | ShishKabab, see apticron |
| 20:12.36 | poisonbit | it download packages at night |
| 20:12.41 | poisonbit | and sends you a email |
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| 20:13.02 | poisonbit | with instructions and details about CVEs fixed |
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| 20:14.23 | ShishKabab | poisonbit: Thanks for the tip. Will look into it. |
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| 20:18.25 | |tpocra| | damn |
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| 20:18.33 | |tpocra| | did someone answer my command line FLAC playuer question? |
| 20:18.46 | chellomere | |tpocra|, did you try mplayer? |
| 20:19.04 | chellomere | |tpocra|, oh, or flac123? |
| 20:19.06 | |tpocra| | chellomere: I'm looking for another one |
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| 20:19.37 | |tpocra| | chellomere: flac123 doesn't appear to be in Debian? |
| 20:19.49 | chellomere | oh |
| 20:19.55 | chellomere | it's only in etch, it appears |
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| 20:20.27 | chellomere | (I have sources for etch, lenny, squeeze, sid, experimental) |
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| 20:25.52 | magyar_ | hi, using virtualbox on lenny and setup floppy access. The floppy light stays constantly on and cannot access the floppy when a virtual OS is loaded |
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| 20:27.05 | poisonbit | magyar, see dmesg for kernel messages, and check that you and the user who runs virtualbox is in the 'floppy' group |
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| 20:28.24 | Cain | What's the difference between netinstall & businesscard cds ? |
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| 20:28.56 | poisonbit | Cain, businesscard, downloads the installer components from the network, during the install |
| 20:28.58 | chellomere | Cain, netinstall includes a base system |
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| 20:30.03 | Cain | netinstall including the businesscard then ? |
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| 20:31.03 | poisonbit | Cain, see the 3 faq in http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 20:31.33 | Cain | poisonbit : Thx ^^ |
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| 20:33.24 | magyar_ | poisonbit, nothing in dmesg, the user logged in and running virtualbox is in "floppy" and "virtualbox" group |
| 20:33.54 | poisonbit | can you read that floppy outside virtualbox ? |
| 20:34.06 | magyar_ | the issues is , the floppy light turns on constantly as soon as the virtualbox guest is launched |
| 20:34.13 | magyar_ | yeap, i can |
| 20:34.45 | magyar_ | i googled it, and there was similar issues with 1.5.2 version |
| 20:34.53 | poisonbit | i don't know about virtualbox, but maybe it has options for logging |
| 20:35.01 | poisonbit | verbose output, etc |
| 20:35.02 | magyar_ | on ubuntu forums also, but no solutions |
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| 20:35.10 | poisonbit | bad thing |
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| 20:36.09 | poisonbit | magyar, can't it use floppy images? ( .img) |
| 20:36.32 | poisonbit | asign a image to the virtual floppy and see wath happens |
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| 20:38.26 | poisonbit | magyar_, dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/floppy.img and then use that file in virtualbox |
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| 20:39.39 | magyar_ | poisonbit, i needed to be able to use the floppy from windows XP to format and extract exe BIOS files, as I can't do this in debian |
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| 20:40.52 | poisonbit | magyar_, when you are done under your virtual XP, shutdown it and do dd if=/tmp/floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 20:41.09 | poisonbit | and you're done |
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| 20:41.26 | poisonbit | (if using a virtual floppy image, allow your vb to boot) |
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| 20:44.02 | magyar_ | poisonbit, I execute a HP Proliant cp***.exe file which in turn asks to inset a floppy to create a boot disk |
| 20:45.06 | poisonbit | i don't use virtualbox. But under qemu and vmware, you can atach a floppy image, to the virtual machine, and it works |
| 20:45.45 | poisonbit | and the virtual machine doesn't see if the virtualization layer is writing on a magnetic device, or in a image file |
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| 20:46.36 | poisonbit | magyar, i've done that with a toshiba laptop (create the bios upgrade floppy, under a virtual machine, writing to a .img file) |
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| 20:47.22 | poisonbit | and then, dd the .img to a pysicall floppy (from my linux) |
| 20:47.23 | Koper | Hi.. Is there any way to change the language of debian to english for a specific user (myself)? |
| 20:48.15 | poisonbit | Koper, at desktop level, i don't know. At console level, you've all the LC_ and LANG environment variables |
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| 20:48.34 | poisonbit | try LANG=C man some_man_in_your_other_lang |
| 20:48.42 | poisonbit | and you will see in english |
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| 20:49.10 | poisonbit | for desktop, office, etc, you'll need to install english packages, dictionarys etc |
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| 20:49.42 | poisonbit | i think that gdm remembers the lang that you choose at the gdm login (per user) |
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| 20:58.49 | pelle_k | Hey people. Can anyone tell me how to list *manually* (i mean by the defention of the *word*), such as debfoster does it, using aptitude? According to debfoster's homepage it's deprecated just because aptitude has this functionality, but i haven't been able to replicate it. I'm not looking for another "dpkg --get-selections" script mind you. |
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| 20:59.08 | pelle_k | *packages |
| 20:59.14 | Koper | I see poisonbit |
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| 20:59.18 | Koper | How can I change them permanently? |
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| 20:59.53 | poisonbit | Koper, for environment variables, see your .bashrc |
| 21:00.05 | Koper | ok thanks |
| 21:00.11 | poisonbit | Koper, for Zorg, if you use gdm, just choose your language one time |
| 21:00.17 | poisonbit | Xorg |
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| 21:00.25 | Koper | It's a server |
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| 21:00.58 | poisonbit | pelle_k, see 'aptitude why' or man aptitude |
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| 21:01.37 | klbate | Can I access the GNOME VFS from a KDE program like Digikam? |
| 21:01.58 | poisonbit | Koper, may be you want to regenerate system locales, for your language AND english (dpkg-reconfigure locales, and choose bot) |
| 21:02.00 | klbate | GNOME keeps stealing my camera when I plug it in, but I still want to manage the pictures in Digikam. |
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| 21:03.19 | pelle_k | poisonbit: i appreciate the tip, however, i've used both. I've tried lots of methods, script and combinations, to no avail. :( |
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| 21:05.17 | aliceinwire_ | hello |
| 21:05.33 | aliceinwire_ | how i can install wicd in debian ? |
| 21:06.02 | Hydroxide | aliceinwire_: aptitude install wicd, though I'm not sure if it's in lenny |
| 21:06.44 | aliceinwire_ | no there isn't |
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| 21:07.35 | chellomere | !tell aliceinwire_ about ssb |
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| 21:08.16 | aliceinwire_ | O_O |
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| 21:10.14 | PsiKlops | when i do $ apt-cache search gcc- it shows gcc-2.95 but with $ aptitude search gcc- it doesnt, where can i find gcc-2.95, since it has no installation candidate ? |
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| 21:10.49 | poisonbit | pelle_k, may be that "aptitude has this functionality" means that aptitude removes any package that you have not installed, and no other packages needs it |
| 21:11.36 | aliceinwire_ | i can change from lenny to debian ? |
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| 21:12.43 | poisonbit | PsiKlops, packages.debian.org if it's not here, see upstream site, and try to build yourself :-S |
| 21:13.00 | PsiKlops | thx ;) |
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| 21:13.40 | AVA | :-[ |
| 21:13.43 | poisonbit | PsiKlops, you can try the "backport" process described in the debian reference, with an "old" package |
| 21:13.49 | poisonbit | http://packages.debian.org/etch/gcc-2.95 |
| 21:14.09 | poisonbit | i don't know if it'll work |
| 21:14.19 | PsiKlops | i take a look |
| 21:14.21 | poisonbit | aliceinwire, lenny is debian |
| 21:14.22 | PsiKlops | 'll |
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| 21:15.21 | AVA | :)大家好ï¼è¿éå¯ä»¥ä½¿ç¨ä¸æåï¼ |
| 21:15.32 | pelle_k | poisonbit, you may very well be right! however, it's sad that the ability to get a handy list of applications you've installed by hand, is provided only by a package that is now deprecated... either way, i appreciate your input :) |
| 21:15.42 | poisonbit | PsiKlops, do this: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port but using only one deb-src line (with 'etch' or 'oldstable') |
| 21:15.47 | aliceinwire_ | mmm but some package are only for debian |
| 21:15.51 | aliceinwire_ | and other for lenny |
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| 21:17.26 | poisonbit | pelle_k, you can try a script that does something like: 'do an array for all my packages, foreach item, do an array with the depends, and search each item in the packages array, and blabla' |
| 21:18.08 | poisonbit | aliceinwire, http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 21:21.02 | pelle_k | poisonbit, that'll probaly be my next move. thanks. |
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| 21:21.41 | hark | pelle_k: manually as in not in any repo? |
| 21:21.44 | GhostlyDeath | Sometimes I can't get stuff from DNS even when it's up and works on every other computer on the network |
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| 21:22.33 | GhostlyDeath | two programs ran at the same time pretty much, both rsync |
| 21:22.36 | poisonbit | pelle_k, "applications you've installed by hand" == "$( dpkg -l | grep '^ii' )" |
| 21:22.36 | GhostlyDeath | going to the same host |
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| 21:25.54 | pelle_k | poisonbit, i tried something similar, (aptitude search ~i\!~M), however, lots of packages that was installed as recommend/depend is marked as "manually installed" in the database, so i don't know how debfoster does work around that, and how aptitude should "supposedly" be able to do the same.... |
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| 21:29.53 | hark | pelle_k: aptitude does that automatically |
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| 21:30.27 | aliceinwire_ | how i can set my wlan0 ? |
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| 21:30.50 | aliceinwire_ | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 21:30.52 | aliceinwire_ | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 21:31.08 | GhostlyDeath | aliceinwire_: wlan0 doesn't exist if it says that |
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| 21:31.48 | hark | pelle_k: the reason that ~i!M is showing all those other packages as well is that you've probably not used aptitude to install them in the first place. |
| 21:32.07 | hark | from lenny onwards it doesn't matter |
| 21:32.07 | Acido_ | is there a command to disable monitor turning off in debian |
| 21:32.11 | Acido_ | when away from pc |
| 21:32.23 | aliceinwire_ | so how i can configure my wifi ? |
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| 21:34.36 | SuperMiguel | whats the best way to administer machines graphically? VNC right? how do i install vnc in debian? |
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| 21:35.14 | draemon | SuperMiguel: Debian on the target? |
| 21:35.14 | asg | SuperMiguel: aptitude search vnc server |
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| 21:35.48 | w9fyi | Hi there. Where , or how would i get the latest beta build of icedove? |
| 21:36.01 | w9fyi | I'm new to debian so I'm still learning my way around |
| 21:36.17 | poisonbit | Acido_, xscreensaver or gnome-xscreensaver. and then just ctrl + alt + l |
| 21:36.26 | poisonbit | Acido_, for tty sessions, see vlock |
| 21:36.27 | pelle_k | Hark: you are probaly right. Many of the packages are installed with tasksel from a preseed script. |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | w9fyi: you mean for TB3 ? |
| 21:36.45 | draemon | w9fyi: By beta do you mean latest unstable debian icedove, or latest unstable mozilla thunderbird? |
| 21:37.11 | w9fyi | I mean the latest unstable debian icedove? I'd get thunderbird if that would work... |
| 21:37.22 | abrotman | w9fyi: waht's wrong with the one in lenny ? |
| 21:37.25 | poisonbit | pelle_k, you can use exclude and include in preseed |
| 21:37.31 | poisonbit | for packages |
| 21:37.56 | w9fyi | it doesn't wrk wel with orca so in order to make it work with orca, which is the screen-reader for ablind person I've got get 3.x |
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| 21:38.05 | abrotman | judd: versions icedove |
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| 21:38.06 | judd | abrotman: icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 lenny: 2.0.0.19-1 squeeze: 2.0.0.19-1 lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1 sid: 2.0.0.22-1 |
| 21:38.08 | abrotman | same versions |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | in lenny and sid i mean |
| 21:38.31 | abrotman | w9fyi: there are no Icedove3 betas anywhere AFAIK |
| 21:39.23 | w9fyi | ok so then I am better of just getting thundergird then |
| 21:39.48 | abrotman | w9fyi: i've been using beta2 .. it has some weirdness .. but it's pretty usable |
| 21:40.04 | w9fyi | how would i get it for testing? |
| 21:40.36 | abrotman | you'd get it from mozilla.org .. and ask them how to install it |
| 21:40.48 | abrotman | there's a decently friendly #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:41.03 | w9fyi | ok theh I guess I can go that route then |
| 21:41.09 | pelle_k | poisonbit, well, the problem here is that i was not reffering to my preseed, but any preseed. how does one get aptitude to recognize a "automatically installed" package from tasksel, when it gets marked "manually installed" in the apt/aptitude database? |
| 21:41.10 | draemon | (probably just untar it into /opt and run it from there or symlink from /usr/bin) |
| 21:41.42 | draemon | s/from/to |
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| 21:42.12 | w9fyi | so how can I add my user account w9fyi to the sudoers file to I just edit the sudoers file as root? |
| 21:42.30 | abrotman | man sudoers |
| 21:42.38 | w9fyi | ok... Thanks |
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| 21:42.51 | draemon | w9fyi: su then visudo |
| 21:43.41 | poisonbit | pelle_k, the first time you run debfoster, he also don't know wath you have installed and wath is autoinstalled |
| 21:44.02 | poisonbit | pelle_k, debfoster creates a database with your answers in the first run |
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| 21:46.20 | pelle_k | poisonbit, that is not true. it's a misconception. you can install debfoster, and list packages directly (without creating a database, or answering any questions) by running "debfoster -s" actually. |
| 21:46.21 | hark | pelle_k: afaik, tasksel uses aptitude to install packages |
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| 21:47.34 | poisonbit | pelle_k, time to see the debfoster source code, to see wath it does with -s :) |
| 21:47.35 | delaman | how do i get rid of the unsessary 'floppy' in the "My Computer" ? |
| 21:47.41 | pelle_k | hark, i suspect as much as well. what i dont understand is why so many packages on my system is marked as manually installed, when they are, in fact, dependencies, really. |
| 21:48.18 | pelle_k | poisonbit, yeah, i tried that as well. i suck at C though :P |
| 21:48.36 | poisonbit | pelle_k, which priority do you use in the preseed ? |
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| 21:49.37 | poisonbit | pelle_k, try: tasksel tasksel/firstmultiselect required |
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| 21:49.49 | poisonbit | to avoid all packages with priority "standard" |
| 21:50.02 | ljsula | hi all. I have debian sqeeze i386 and clamav (0.95.2+dfsg-2). Clamscan can't scan rar files. Help !!! With option --unrar=/usr/bin/unrar, clamscan said: WARNING: Ignoring deprecated option --unrar |
| 21:50.10 | notthere | Do you guys have anything similar pkg-cutleaves in debian? |
| 21:50.34 | hark | pelle_k: do they show up using "aptitude search '~i!~M'" ? |
| 21:50.53 | pelle_k | well, it's not my preseed. it's the one from the ubuntu jaunty cd *hide and runs*, but that shouldn't matter unless the ubuntu devs made a big NO NO. It's not my own remix. |
| 21:51.29 | cmyers_work | notthere: if "cutleaves" means "uninstall things which were installed as dependencies and are no longer in use" then you want "apt-get autoremove" |
| 21:51.56 | notthere | cmyers_work: yes and thank you! |
| 21:52.03 | cmyers_work | no prob |
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| 21:53.35 | pelle_k | Hark, i get much much more than what i've installed by hand. But i don't run debian, i run ubuntu jaunty, so i'm not sure that list would be to any use for you... |
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| 21:54.32 | poisonbit | pelle_k, i've installed debfoster in a VM, and dpkg -s returns all packages it has... over the standard priority |
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| 21:54.49 | poisonbit | libs and deps included |
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| 21:54.57 | poisonbit | not only the ones that i've installed |
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| 21:56.59 | poisonbit | i say... i've do aptitude install subversion |
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| 21:57.13 | poisonbit | but debfoster -s sees all the libs, etc |
| 21:57.36 | poisonbit | it doesn't only see the "subversion" package |
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| 21:57.45 | SuperMiguel | to run windows under debian im better off running virtualbox or vmware? |
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| 21:58.36 | PsiKlops | where can i find etch repositorys to add to sources.list? |
| 21:58.54 | pelle_k | poisonbit, no, it shoudl se the top-level packages that installed your system as well. in my case ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, linux-generic etc |
| 21:59.15 | notthere | something weird has happened vi disappered |
| 21:59.25 | Gokee2 | grub-install seems to hang on "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub" I have waited several minutes and it does nothing more. A ctr+c returns me to my prompt. (I booted the rescue cd and switched to a VT mounted my main drive chrooted to it and am trying to do "/usr/sbin/grub-install hda" Any ideas? Thanks |
| 21:59.51 | poisonbit | pelle_k, maybe i haven't used tasksel |
| 22:00.25 | pelle_k | poisonbit, maybe. if you wan't to see how it's supposed to work, check this out; http://pastebin.com/d1c7edb6d |
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| 22:01.44 | poisonbit | pelle_k, if i run in a machine where tasksel hasn't run: http://pastebin.com/m336b3d7a |
| 22:02.22 | poisonbit | trustme, i've installed the 10% of that packages |
| 22:02.47 | poisonbit | grub ? |
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| 22:02.56 | Gokee2 | "/usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda"* |
| 22:03.39 | BCM431 | The other users cant use sound on my computer. they get the error audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback.You don't have permission to open the device. Why is this? |
| 22:03.46 | sigmonsays | dir-or-file-in-srv when tryin to build a deb. Why? |
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| 22:04.51 | Gokee2 | hmm.... I umounted my root fs and finished going through the rescue cd menu's and its grub rescue worked.... How odd :/ |
| 22:05.33 | pelle_k | poisonbit, well, i guess debfoster has it's bugs. it's not under any more development. That is why i was looking for an alternative mind you :P i'm going out for a smoke now! Thanks for all the input. I appreciate it! |
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| 22:06.20 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Not in audio group? |
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| 22:06.45 | poisonbit | pelle_k, np, good luck, time to dinner here |
| 22:07.19 | BCM431 | Gokee2: that might be it |
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| 22:08.18 | elric27 | BCM431: or beloved pulseaudio |
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| 22:09.50 | Gokee2 | pulseaudio is kinda cool if you want to go through hell to get it working right and suffer random sound problems that take hours to fix from time to time.... |
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| 22:10.26 | PsiKlops | hello, i am making an etch intall, the mirrors are not set right, what mirror should i choose manually? |
| 22:10.51 | elric27 | PsiKlops: netselect-apt |
| 22:11.32 | PsiKlops | elric27 ? |
| 22:11.54 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: choose one in your country |
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| 22:12.01 | yaaar | howdy |
| 22:12.10 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: eh |
| 22:12.15 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: etch is on archive.debian.org now |
| 22:12.21 | BCM431 | Gokee2: it still does not work. |
| 22:12.44 | yaaar | how can i look at a package and see what options it was configured with? |
| 22:13.38 | Gokee2 | BCM431, You added the user to the group and re-logged in the user and tried? Do you use pulseaudio? |
| 22:13.38 | poisonbit | yaaar, debconf-get-selections (from the debconf-utils package) |
| 22:13.44 | PsiKlops | elric27 azeem_ yeah right, but i am doing something wrong since the mirrors i wish is ftp.se.debian.org there the directory is oldstable but still i get a red screen |
| 22:14.03 | azeem_ | man, I'm still confused by all this |
| 22:14.09 | azeem_ | right, etch should still be on some mirrors |
| 22:14.42 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: no idea what is wrong then, try another mirror |
| 22:15.01 | yaaar | poisonbit: cool thanks |
| 22:15.15 | BCM431 | Gokee2: brb, did not logout out |
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| 22:15.32 | elric27 | PsiKlops: us. |
| 22:15.36 | elric27 | or something like that |
| 22:16.04 | PsiKlops | i do Debian Archive Mirror Hostname: ftp.de.debian.org then Debian Archive Mirror Dirctory: /debian oldstable |
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| 22:16.54 | elric27 | stupid suggestion, checkup the word preceding the address |
| 22:16.55 | yaaar | poisonbit: so, if a package doesn't show up in the output of debconf-get-selections, it just doesn't have any choices? |
| 22:16.56 | PsiKlops | is that right |
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| 22:17.25 | elric27 | in sources.list |
| 22:17.38 | BCM431 | Gokee2: it still does not work |
| 22:17.44 | poisonbit | yaaar, i'm not sure |
| 22:17.49 | PsiKlops | elric27 in the installer |
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| 22:18.08 | PsiKlops | elric27 manually |
| 22:18.09 | elric27 | ok |
| 22:18.15 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Are you using pulseaudio? |
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| 22:18.29 | BCM431 | Gokee2: not that I know of. |
| 22:18.59 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Do "ps ax |grep pulse" and make sure |
| 22:19.11 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Also what are you on? Lenny? |
| 22:19.38 | BCM431 | Gokee2: yes, on lenny, and no pulse |
| 22:20.49 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Then try "sudo alsa force-reload" then see what error trying to play stuff gives you |
| 22:20.49 | elric27 | did you add all users to the audio group in /etc/group? |
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| 22:21.37 | BCM431 | Gokee2: it wocks now |
| 22:21.42 | BCM431 | *works |
| 22:21.48 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Ah good :) |
| 22:22.04 | BCM431 | Gokee2: will it stay after a reboot? |
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| 22:22.25 | Gokee2 | BCM431, It might, depends what was blocking your sound card. |
| 22:22.41 | BCM431 | Gokee2: I will try |
| 22:22.45 | Gokee2 | BCM431, Ok |
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| 22:23.22 | PsiKlops | no support on my issue? I am installing Etch and am in the Download installer components, here i must give a hostname(debian archive mirror) in the next section i am to enter a directory, how do i do this? |
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| 22:24.48 | elric27 | PsiKlops: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:24.53 | elric27 | maybe???? |
| 22:24.58 | elric27 | dunno |
| 22:25.35 | PsiKlops | elric27 thanx but that doesnt work |
| 22:25.37 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: can't you choose from a list? |
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| 22:26.18 | PsiKlops | yes, but the listed have wrong addresses since the mirrors have been changed |
| 22:26.29 | azeem_ | all of them? |
| 22:26.50 | PsiKlops | all the one i have tried yes |
| 22:26.54 | azeem_ | I don't think e.g. ftp.de.debian.org changed since |
| 22:27.07 | PsiKlops | yes |
| 22:27.11 | elric27 | http://www.joachim-reichel.de/debian/repository/dists/oldstable/ |
| 22:27.12 | PsiKlops | it has |
| 22:27.17 | elric27 | this year, oldstable |
| 22:27.22 | elric27 | http://www.joachim-reichel.de/debian/repository/dists/oldstable/ main |
| 22:27.30 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: how so? |
| 22:27.32 | PsiKlops | oldstable is the key word i'd say |
| 22:27.58 | azeem_ | etch is not trying to install etch? |
| 22:28.00 | azeem_ | oh my |
| 22:28.08 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: which revision are you installing? |
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| 22:28.42 | PsiKlops | ? its an older floppy install |
| 22:28.52 | azeem_ | which version? |
| 22:28.57 | PsiKlops | ? |
| 22:29.10 | azeem_ | do you not understand "which" or "version"? |
| 22:29.14 | PsiKlops | i'm overasked on that one |
| 22:29.18 | azeem_ | well, find out |
| 22:29.31 | azeem_ | shouldn't it be displayed on bootup e.g. |
| 22:29.39 | PsiKlops | lol |
| 22:29.55 | elric27 | PsiKlops: ? its an older floppy install How old? |
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| 22:30.24 | PsiKlops | middle or end of last year |
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| 22:30.48 | azeem_ | try the latest etch revision |
| 22:31.17 | azeem_ | or try to figure out your error when entering the mirror manually |
| 22:31.20 | elric27 | so old is the machine that you want etch? |
| 22:31.35 | azeem_ | e.g. by switching to the syslog console (alt+f3 or alt+f4) and looking at the error output |
| 22:31.47 | nsadmin | PsiKlops: are you trying to install debian or install a few packages? |
| 22:31.51 | PsiKlops | this one right now is even older lol, its with sarge |
| 22:31.56 | azeem_ | ? |
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| 22:31.58 | elric27 | jejeje ok |
| 22:32.03 | azeem_ | "with sarge"? |
| 22:32.15 | PsiKlops | lol, yeah.... |
| 22:32.20 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: are you trying to be funny? |
| 22:32.22 | nsadmin | he has sarge installed on that machine |
| 22:32.30 | azeem_ | ok |
| 22:32.39 | elric27 | hey, nobody complains about old cars :) |
| 22:32.56 | PsiKlops | nsadmin i have some space on my PC where i want to install sarge etch to my lenny |
| 22:33.14 | nsadmin | there is not "sarge etch" |
| 22:33.14 | PsiKlops | for testing use |
| 22:33.25 | nsadmin | you want both? |
| 22:33.35 | PsiKlops | oh srry :D and etch |
| 22:33.40 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: etch isn't really supported here |
| 22:33.45 | PsiKlops | and sarge with lenny |
| 22:33.54 | azeem_ | so if you're just installing "for fun".. |
| 22:34.12 | PsiKlops | since when, i thought sarge isnt anymore |
| 22:34.15 | nsadmin | what are you trying to test btw? |
| 22:34.36 | azeem_ | PsiKlops: it's still supported by Debian; but not that much in this channel |
| 22:34.48 | azeem_ | certainly people are expected to install lenny these day |
| 22:34.49 | azeem_ | s |
| 22:34.59 | PsiKlops | kernel etc for my toshiba Satellite CT100 |
| 22:35.25 | PsiKlops | azeem_ so where to go? |
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| 22:35.43 | azeem_ | dunno |
| 22:35.43 | nsadmin | so you have small amount of ram and 2.6 won't fit? |
| 22:35.57 | PsiKlops | on the Tosh? |
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| 22:36.30 | PsiKlops | 40 MB max |
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| 22:36.42 | DeathToAmerica | Let the World proliferate weapons to defend from the crazy Yanks. |
| 22:37.00 | nsadmin | !ops DeathToAmerica troll |
| 22:37.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: DeathToAmerica troll |
| 22:37.06 | DeathToAmerica | !moo |
| 22:37.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 22:37.07 | DeathToAmerica | !moo |
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| 22:37.13 | DeathToAmerica | !fuck |
| 22:37.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, fuck is cool |
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| 22:37.15 | adb | !ops DeathToAmerica spam |
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| 22:37.19 | PsiKlops | nsadmin 2.6 should work |
| 22:37.25 | azeem | adb: nsadmin just said that |
| 22:37.35 | mentor | adb: We noticed the first time |
| 22:37.47 | mentor | mentor: azeem just said that |
| 22:37.50 | SQlvpapir | infidels! |
| 22:37.53 | PsiKlops | but at the moment i want add a 2.4 to it |
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| 22:38.06 | nsadmin | jim! mentor just said that! |
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| 22:38.35 | mentor | It's a white hole... |
| 22:38.41 | PsiKlops | since 2.4.27-4-586tsc it not supported anymore |
| 22:38.44 | nsadmin | dammit jim! |
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| 22:41.00 | Cain | how to create a Fat32 system on usbkey under debian ? i tried and the result is ==> http://paste.debian.net/41855/ |
| 22:41.10 | PsiKlops | nsadmin is there a low-memory limit in a certain 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:41.25 | Cain | i can't use cfdisk now on the device :/ |
| 22:41.55 | nsadmin | PsiKlops: probably not... but if you have less than say 128 mb that could be a problem |
| 22:42.32 | nsadmin | you want to be able to run things other than the kernel... like cat... |
| 22:43.09 | azeem | you're probably better off with an embedded-targetted distribution like emdebian |
| 22:43.19 | elric27 | you could try damn small linux |
| 22:45.46 | mentor | Cain: Try fdisk? |
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| 22:45.54 | mentor | Cain: Zero the first block on the device? |
| 22:46.26 | Cain | i'm not used to use fdisk :/ |
| 22:46.41 | Cain | mentor : how to zero the first block ? |
| 22:46.46 | mentor | Fortunately, you have the power to learn |
| 22:46.58 | Cain | is trying ^^ |
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| 22:47.04 | mentor | Cain: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo count=some |
| 22:47.36 | nsadmin | and you learn in order to gain the power... vicious circle |
| 22:47.49 | PsiKlops | ;) |
| 22:48.06 | Cain | :D |
| 22:48.15 | mentor | ggrrrrrrRRRRRRRRggggrrrrrRRRRRRRRRgggrrrrrrrRRRRRR |
| 22:48.20 | mentor | It's a vicious cycle |
| 22:48.31 | mentor | Thank you! I'm here all week. |
| 22:48.43 | nsadmin | that's a viscous rumor! |
| 22:49.12 | rudi_s | 9 |
| 22:49.12 | mentor | It.... has a high Newtonian constant? |
| 22:49.23 | rudi_s | (Sorry wrong window.) |
| 22:49.37 | nsadmin | mentor! you finally typed in your nick password! |
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| 22:49.50 | nsadmin | after all these years... |
| 22:49.54 | mentor | jason_m, Liquid-, damog, [Canut], regnirps, Buglouse (again), HockeyInJune0, Monkey_b, NetEcho: Your IRC clients/routers have a vulnerability; fix them |
| 22:50.17 | nsadmin | what are they running |
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| 22:50.44 | mentor | I really, don't care, but someone was doing some DCC string exploit thingy |
| 22:51.41 | nsadmin | jason_m I'm going to version you... |
| 22:52.23 | nsadmin | he's gone :) |
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| 22:55.06 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 22:55.28 | Cain | [23:46:47] <mentor> Cain: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd count=some <== some like ? |
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| 22:55.35 | superlinux | hi |
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| 22:56.28 | bizhan | Hi is anyone familiar with kinit utility part of klibc library? |
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| 22:57.02 | superlinux | i am not sure whether my USB version is 2.0. how can make sure? I know i have slow speed when copying which is a sign of USB 1.0 |
| 22:57.20 | superlinux | so is there a way to manipulate the speed? |
| 22:57.26 | sigmonsays | How do u cancel a post install job? |
| 22:57.31 | nsadmin | Cain: depends on what you want to do and why... without setting bs, dd takes a default of how many sectors to write in a single operation (counted by count=) |
| 22:58.39 | Lns | sigmonsays, I normally use ctrl+c ;) |
| 22:58.55 | nsadmin | that's NOT recommended... |
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| 22:59.08 | nsadmin | that will break the packaging system |
| 22:59.23 | Lns | In all honesty, as long as you do apt-get -f install afterwards you can get things going again |
| 22:59.32 | Lns | in most cases.... |
| 22:59.34 | eix | is it possible to tell apt/aptitude to ignore dependency y of package x? |
| 22:59.44 | nsadmin | on the other hand you CAN do ctrl c if apt-get is -downloading-./... |
| 22:59.48 | eix | (I migrated from ubuntu because of too many silly dependencies) |
| 23:00.01 | jelly | nsadmin: the defines the packaging scripts have to be restartable |
| 23:00.01 | Cain | nsadmin : i tried count=1024k ant it works now i can use cfdisk to create partitions on it... i want to create a debian install usb key on this key (2GB) which system is better ? |
| 23:00.10 | jelly | nsadmin: the _policy_ |
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| 23:00.34 | sigmonsays | Lns, It's something the "mtop" package wants to do. it is trying to connect to mysqld and fails. |
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| 23:00.40 | sigmonsays | so every apt-get command whines |
| 23:00.44 | superlinux | anyone? |
| 23:00.52 | nsadmin | not only will that be totally safe and not affect the package db, but it will pick up right from where it left off, to the byte |
| 23:00.59 | eix | superlinux: ^ |
| 23:01.03 | eix | superlinux: ? |
| 23:01.48 | superlinux | i am not sure whether my USB version is 2.0. how can make sure? I know i have slow speed when copying which is a sign of USB 1.0 |
| 23:01.57 | superlinux | so is there a way to manipulate the speed? |
| 23:02.08 | nsadmin | jelly: but if you interrupt and then run just the postinst, that won't help the package db |
| 23:02.19 | superlinux | eix, this is my question |
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| 23:02.43 | jelly | nsadmin: true, one runs it by doing dpkg --configure --pending |
| 23:04.06 | Liquid- | and which vuln do i supposedly have? |
| 23:04.10 | glasyalabolis | is there a program to list currently loaded modules ? |
| 23:04.16 | JPT | lsmod |
| 23:04.18 | Liquid- | mentor or whoever |
| 23:04.20 | jelly | <eix> is it possible to tell apt/aptitude to ignore dependency y of package x? # Recommends: can be ignored, Depends: not really (you can work around that with "/msg dpkg equivs" if you _really_ know what you're doing) |
| 23:04.28 | glasyalabolis | JPT; thanks |
| 23:04.37 | JPT | np :) |
| 23:05.04 | eix | jelly: yes I suppose I really know e.g. I don't want ntpdate to depend on netbase, because I am not going to start a time server on my box! |
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| 23:05.18 | eix | jelly: thanks a lot, I am gonna investigate |
| 23:05.57 | jelly | eix: ntpdate doesn't bring a time server; and you usually really really want to have netbase installed |
| 23:06.13 | eix | jelly: why? |
| 23:06.34 | craigevil | Package: netbase Priority: important Section: admin This package provides the necessary infrastructure for basic TCP/IP based |
| 23:06.35 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.41 | eix | jelly: i wont run any service here |
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| 23:07.02 | jelly | eix: you probably want network interfaces configured at boot, for example |
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| 23:07.53 | eix | jelly: nope..it's a chrooted system. however I can't simply bear the xinetd daemon, because I don't need that |
| 23:08.21 | jelly | eix: so don't install xinetd. It wasn't part of base system last time I looked |
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| 23:08.48 | eix | jelly: it's coming down with netbase here, but maybe because this box is still etch |
| 23:09.03 | craigevil | xinetd: Installed: (none) |
| 23:09.07 | jelly | no it's not |
| 23:09.14 | eix | jelly: good |
| 23:09.23 | eix | jelly: maybe it was only in etch |
| 23:09.35 | jelly | wasn't be default either |
| 23:09.57 | eix | jelly: ??? each time I attempt to remove it, it says that also netbase and ntpdate have to be ripped off |
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| 23:10.38 | jelly | eix: dpkg -l netbase libc6|tail -2 ? |
| 23:10.55 | eix | jelly: only a min |
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| 23:12.34 | eix | jelly: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:12.36 | eix | ii netbase 4.29 Basic TCP/IP networking system |
| 23:13.16 | jelly | looks like etch all right |
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| 23:13.30 | eix | :| |
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| 23:14.55 | eix | will lenny work with a 2.6.8.1 kernel? |
| 23:15.01 | jelly | ah, netbase in there really Depends: openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver |
| 23:15.16 | jelly | you don't have to start it though |
| 23:15.21 | eix | one more reason to move to lenny |
| 23:15.33 | jelly | eix: kernel - I think not |
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| 23:16.04 | eix | jelly: unfortunately the target machine starts that kernel from a ROM firmware and I can't really modify it right now |
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| 23:16.16 | jelly | no lenny for you. |
| 23:16.42 | eix | gee. libc6 won't work with the old kernel? |
| 23:17.04 | silidan1 | why in hell isnt debian able to keep the language and layout setting made during installation in gnome |
| 23:17.25 | eix | silidan1: gnome is sin! use dpkg-reconfigure! |
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| 23:17.55 | silidan1 | how often shall i use it? i tried it 3 or 4 times |
| 23:17.58 | silidan1 | im sick of trying dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:18.26 | silidan1 | neither do the settings for keyboard have any effect, so why is this gui app then even there? |
| 23:18.40 | eix | silidan1: ...maybe the app isn't up to date with latest Xorg |
| 23:18.41 | nsadmin | better see a doctor for that... |
| 23:18.55 | silidan1 | the only thing that works sofar is setxkbmap -layout |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | silidan1: did you use the gnome language selector ? |
| 23:19.08 | eix | silidan1: file a bug and send bad words to author |
| 23:19.25 | eix | silidan1: i also had that problem but fixed it at the HAL level |
| 23:19.51 | silidan1 | eix: more details pls |
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| 23:20.35 | eix | silidan1: I have a /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi file |
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| 23:20.44 | eix | silidan1: which talks to Xorg about my keyboard layout |
| 23:21.04 | eix | silidan1: the relevant XML tag is <merge key="input.xkb.layout" type="string">it</merge> |
| 23:21.44 | eix | silidan1: but I think you can still get it fixed the Debian way |
| 23:21.46 | silidan1 | abrotman: where is the gnome language selector? |
| 23:22.01 | abrotman | System->Preferences ? |
| 23:22.15 | silidan1 | if ite the thing wih the keyboard icon i alreadz tried that |
| 23:22.19 | silidan1 | seems to crash |
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| 23:22.56 | silidan1 | eix: whats the debian way? (installing another distro?) |
| 23:23.03 | eix | run it from a terminal and see what happens |
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| 23:23.37 | eix | silidan1: ahaha..no I think it's written somewhere in the official docs! |
| 23:23.40 | blendmaster1024 | hey, does anyone know of a good place to buy CDs? |
| 23:23.41 | eix | silidan1: (sorry but I dont use debian for desktop usage) |
| 23:23.54 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: best buy? |
| 23:24.10 | blendmaster1024 | lol, debian cds, so i don't have to spend a month downloading |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | just get the netinst .. use that |
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| 23:24.58 | blendmaster1024 | i don't have internet at home, so i have to go somewhere else with my laptop to get the cds. then i will install on my desktop. |
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| 23:25.16 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:25.16 | eix | blendmaster1024: open the download page of the official website |
| 23:25.22 | seniorake | in a shell, [a-e]* for example, lists all files/folders starting with a,b,c,d,e. but what if i want that it does not start from a* but from apple? something like [apple-e], so that for example, abba is not parsed |
| 23:25.23 | eix | blendmaster1024: "get debian" |
| 23:25.37 | blendmaster1024 | right there is more than one there i want recommendations |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: DVDs or CDs ? |
| 23:25.47 | blendmaster1024 | either, dont care |
| 23:25.48 | silidan1 | eix: i dont have this fdi file |
| 23:26.01 | eix | silidan1: do you have the directory structure? |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | http://linuxcentral.com/catalog/index.php3?prod_code=L000-767&id=C1CCmRZFO3tCC |
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| 23:26.24 | abrotman | i used to buy CDs from linuxcentral when i was a poor college student .. they worked pretty well |
| 23:26.26 | silidan1 | yep |
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| 23:26.39 | PsiKlops | the current floppys work :) hurray |
| 23:27.24 | blendmaster1024 | hmmm..... it's already out-of-date. it's 5.0, i'm downloading 5.0.2 |
| 23:27.25 | eix | silidan1: look at /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/ |
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| 23:27.32 | blendmaster1024 | thx thhough |
| 23:27.36 | silidan1 | call @debian stop including gui config tools that do not have any effect! |
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| 23:27.55 | eix | silidan1: file a bug and throw nuts at them! |
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| 23:28.35 | silidan1 | eix: yep there it is |
| 23:28.50 | eix | silidan1: copy that one into the etc location and modify it to fit your needs |
| 23:29.04 | eix | silidan1: I think there should be a guide or something like that on Debian wiki |
| 23:29.16 | abrotman | he really shouldn't need to do that |
| 23:29.19 | eix | silidan1: this will work if you have Xorg >= 1.6 |
| 23:29.24 | eix | abrotman: ? |
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| 23:29.41 | eix | silidan1: please listen to abrotman he might be right |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | and it's better than throwing nuts at people |
| 23:30.15 | eix | abrotman: why doesn't he need to do that? |
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| 23:30.32 | eix | abrotman: let's not forget that nuts are a valuable protein source |
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| 23:31.14 | eix | abrotman: he says that the gnome keyboard tool is not starting on his box |
| 23:31.31 | abrotman | maybe he should start with that problem ? |
| 23:31.34 | eix | I either suggested to add the HAL rule or to debug the gnome keyboard tool |
| 23:31.46 | eix | abrotman: yes but he might not be in the mood.. |
| 23:32.07 | silidan1 | "he" is really not in the mood |
| 23:32.38 | silidan1 | the gnome keyboard tool is starting on my box, it just has no effect |
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| 23:33.06 | abrotman | no effect when you apply, or at the next session ? |
| 23:33.15 | eix | silidan1: anyway if you are using Xorg >= 1.6 and your xorg.conf has not disabled the mapped events, the hal approach will work |
| 23:33.28 | silidan1 | when i select a keyboard layout there should appear a keyboard showing the layout but there only remains the text from the dropdown list look slike a scrash to me |
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| 23:34.12 | eix | i am sure there is a valid reason for it to behave that way, but i can't simply deduce it |
| 23:34.15 | silidan1 | dunno what im using im using standart install |
| 23:35.05 | abrotman | how did you install gnome and xorg ? |
| 23:35.05 | PsiKlops | silidan1 with *Desktop Enviroment option selected? |
| 23:35.11 | silidan1 | yep |
| 23:35.30 | abrotman | silidan1: aptitude install xorg gnome ? |
| 23:35.33 | silidan1 | no |
| 23:35.48 | silidan1 | during install i selected desktop environment |
| 23:36.16 | silidan1 | i even started the graphical install |
| 23:36.21 | eix | thinks that debian should copy fedora's installer :) |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 23:36.50 | Irishmanluke | ooh distro battles |
| 23:36.51 | abrotman | silidan1: i'm asking you to try that command and see if it wants to install anything |
| 23:36.57 | eix | Irishmanluke: no..please |
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| 23:37.16 | silidan1 | im a noob but even i managed to install arch with desktop without such crappy errors by just following the install instructions |
| 23:37.35 | Irishmanluke | debhelper: this morning it was 978 |
| 23:37.48 | abrotman | checks the calendar |
| 23:38.03 | craigevil | !sunday |
| 23:38.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 23:38.12 | craigevil | nope its Tuesday here |
| 23:38.15 | silidan1 | and i promise oyu if i run in similar problesm when setting up my 2 soundcards im gone form debian |
| 23:38.40 | silidan1 | this littel damn keyboard issue took 2 hours |
| 23:38.43 | silidan1 | or more |
| 23:38.52 | eix | silidan1: promise to whom? each distro has strong/weak points.. |
| 23:39.06 | eix | silidan1: maybe you're just doing it plain wrong :) |
| 23:39.29 | silidan1 | yea maybe its me silly user just following silli instructions... |
| 23:39.47 | eix | ..or not understanding them |
| 23:40.06 | eix | ..or maybe there are real bugs, either cases please don't loose your patience! :) |
| 23:40.21 | abrotman | or maybe it's the people helping ... |
| 23:40.43 | eix | when installing with 'aptitude install xorg gnome', does it install new packages? |
| 23:40.45 | abrotman | silidan1: did it ask you to install anything ? |
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| 23:41.18 | eix | abrotman: ? i didn't give him wrong solutions, he asked me how I fixed my problem and I was explaining him |
| 23:41.26 | eix | abrotman: i didnt use gnome in that contest |
| 23:42.02 | silidan1 | eix: ill restart x to see if youre solution worked out for me |
| 23:42.18 | silidan1 | abrotman: what you mean? |
| 23:42.20 | eix | silidan1: first check if you have a xorg.conf |
| 23:42.28 | abrotman | nevermind .. |
| 23:42.34 | abrotman | silidan1: just restart X |
| 23:42.39 | silidan1 | eix i have xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 23:43.30 | silidan1 | and sudo apt-get install xorg gnome did not install anything |
| 23:43.44 | Irishmanluke | hrm |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude |
| 23:43.53 | Irishmanluke | yes |
| 23:43.53 | silidan1 | why? |
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| 23:44.13 | Irishmanluke | it's better for some reason |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | it's the recommended package manager for Debian (for most operations) |
| 23:44.17 | eix | silidan1: check that you dont have AutoAddDevices set to False |
| 23:44.24 | eix | silidan1: otherwise the HAL hotplugging wont work |
| 23:44.36 | abrotman | eix: unless he's touched his xorg.conf .. it should be mostly empty |
| 23:44.42 | silidan1 | AutoAddDevices is where? |
| 23:44.49 | eix | just look for it |
| 23:44.57 | eix | silidan1: should be in a ServerFlags section |
| 23:44.59 | Irishmanluke | abrotman: what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get and what is the purpose of apt-get |
| 23:45.04 | eix | silidan1: if it's not there, then it's ok |
| 23:45.15 | silidan1 | eix: of a file? |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | Irishmanluke: aptitude has much better problem resolution .. that's why it's recommended for most activities |
| 23:45.24 | eix | Irishmanluke: I think they have different dependency and conflict resolution systems |
| 23:45.44 | eix | silidan1: no, it's a declaration inside xorg.conf |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | Irishmanluke: aptitude still doesn't have the 'source' function that apt-get has (and a few other small things) |
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| 23:45.55 | abrotman | eix: he probably has nothing .. just let him restart X |
| 23:45.58 | abrotman | gracefully ... |
| 23:46.20 | eix | silidan1: see if xorg.conf contains AutoAddDevices declaration somewhere |
| 23:46.34 | abrotman | holy jeez .. |
| 23:46.36 | eix | abrotman: nope, he will have to check for this if the keyboard doesnt work |
| 23:46.43 | silidan1 | eix: there is no such line in xorg.conf |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | eix: see what i said .. five minutes ago |
| 23:46.54 | eix | silidan1: good. |
| 23:47.10 | eix | silidan1: restart it |
| 23:47.13 | silidan1 | k |
| 23:47.17 | abrotman | way to catch up ... |
| 23:47.17 | eix | abrotman: what are you referring to? |
| 23:47.22 | Cain | any good tutorial to how to create a debian install from usb-key ? |
| 23:47.23 | abrotman | eix: you're not paying attention |
| 23:47.30 | abrotman | !tell Cain about usb install |
| 23:47.34 | eix | abrotman: aptitude or Xorg? |
| 23:47.41 | abrotman | exactly .. |
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| 23:48.06 | eix | abrotman: you said that unless he touched his xorg.conf, it should be almost empty |
| 23:48.10 | silidan1 | still not working |
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| 23:48.20 | eix | abrotman: I knew that, but one thing is to know it, one thing is to assume it |
| 23:48.29 | abrotman | silidan1: which language did you pick when you installed the system? and which keyboard do you want? |
| 23:49.00 | silidan1 | only thing that works is when i type the command setxkbmap -layout de in shell |
| 23:49.37 | silidan1 | german german and german again, sometimes also called de_DE.UTF8 or so |
| 23:49.53 | abrotman | and the keyboard you chose ? |
| 23:49.59 | abrotman | erm .. that you want |
| 23:50.06 | silidan1 | yep |
| 23:50.21 | silidan1 | the funny thing is in console tty1-6 its wokring fine |
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| 23:50.56 | PsiKlops | abrotman it happend to me too, as i use fluxbox i just edited the ~/.fluxbox/startup in xdm the keyboard was still the otherway around y=z z=y but not in the terminal |
| 23:50.56 | eix | silidan1: if abrotman's approach doesn't work (and I assume it will work), i'll tell you how to finish with the HAL hotplugging |
| 23:50.57 | abrotman | silidan1: and if you run `gnome-keyboard-properties` .. what happens? it works for that session or does nothing ? |
| 23:51.04 | silidan1 | only in the x environment its not working |
| 23:51.12 | silidan1 | it does nothing |
| 23:51.21 | silidan1 | i mean it has no effect on keyboard |
| 23:51.22 | eix | abrotman: maybe LANG is not properly set in his Xorg envinroment? |
| 23:51.41 | abrotman | that'd be awesome if he only installed DE locales |
| 23:52.02 | eix | yeah |
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| 23:52.12 | silidan1 | say what? |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | silidan1: can you open an xterm ? |
| 23:52.25 | eix | abrotman: so problem is just that the X keyboard mapping is not loaded, correct? |
| 23:52.36 | eix | silidan1: just saying that it can't be a LANG environment problem |
| 23:52.43 | silidan1 | xterm open |
| 23:52.53 | abrotman | silidan1: echo $LANG |
| 23:53.18 | silidan1 | de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 23:53.29 | silidan1 | and thats it |
| 23:53.34 | yan_ | Is there a way to clean up configs of a package? i got prompted for package settings on an apt-get install, but after removing it and restarting, i think it's using old config values and not prompting |
| 23:53.35 | eix | abrotman: a LANG problem would interfere with locale string loading, anyway, not keyboard mapping |
| 23:54.06 | abrotman | silidan1: if you `dpkg-reconfigure console-data` .. does it let you select the correct keyboard ? |
| 23:54.15 | abrotman | eix: i didn't suggest it .. you did :) |
| 23:54.22 | silidan1 | yep i already did that |
| 23:54.35 | abrotman | silidan1: and you chose the right one ? |
| 23:54.42 | silidan1 | yep |
| 23:54.48 | silidan1 | my de one |
| 23:55.06 | eix | abrotman: I dont know which Debian tool tells Xorg (on behalf of the user) to select the correct keyboard mapping |
| 23:55.17 | abrotman | silidan1: if you run `gnome-keyboard-properties` from the console .. do you see any errors ? |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | eix: it's supposed to probe and find the right one |
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| 23:56.15 | Cain | abrotman : Thx ^^ |
| 23:56.51 | silidan1 | dpy: 0x89c7d88 evt/error/major/minor: 116/176/1/0 |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | silidan1: can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a paste.debian.net ? |
| 23:59.06 | silidan1 | http://pastebin.com/d9c1fe8 |
| 23:59.26 | silidan1 | pastebin should do too |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | silidan1: so it's using the us keyboard layout ? |
