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| 00:01.52 | jelly-home | jpinx: that's with half a tab open? |
| 00:02.17 | smokes | so you're saying that I have more than enough RAM... |
| 00:02.27 | abrotman | are you using swap ? |
| 00:03.15 | jelly-home | smokes: /proc/cpuinfo file tells a lot about the cpu |
| 00:03.42 | smokes | I gave myself 250MB of swap, but I just followed the instructions more or less |
| 00:03.50 | jpinx | jelly-home: pretty much running just a gmail page |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | smokes: free -m .. are you using any swap ? |
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| 00:04.37 | jpinx | smokes: sounds like you have a really low-spec box there, so you will need to use lots of swap and put up with a lot of lag |
| 00:05.00 | jelly-home | smokes: how much ram are you supposed to have? Nothing X-ish will work well with 64MB. |
| 00:05.35 | jpinx | better to run links2 -g ;) |
| 00:05.45 | smokes | I'm using 164 out of 235 total for swap |
| 00:06.21 | jelly-home | smokes: if you have an intel graphics card or some other shared memory graphics, it will steal some RAM for its bidding; this reduces available memory |
| 00:06.48 | jpinx | jelly-home: he's down to about 60Mbs from what free said |
| 00:06.51 | abrotman | maybe he should paste free -m ? |
| 00:06.52 | StrangeCharm | in init.d scripts, what do required-start/stop and should-start stop do? what are their parameters, and what do those parameters do? |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | StrangeCharm: in which script ? |
| 00:07.12 | jpinx | yea - paste it - and fdisk -l for interest |
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| 00:07.24 | StrangeCharm | abrotman- i'm trying to write one |
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| 00:07.54 | smokes | don't know how much ram I should have...could I cut off these cards to return the true RAM? |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | StrangeCharm: you're comparing it to something right ? |
| 00:08.24 | smokes | okay, I'll start pasting... |
| 00:08.25 | jelly-home | StrangeCharm: Required* seems to be a declaration of dependencies on other services |
| 00:08.43 | jpinx | smokes: paste free -m && fdisk -l and something that'll show us the CPU |
| 00:08.54 | StrangeCharm | abrotman- yes, i'm referencing several, but am not sure how to convert if i don't know what the lines mean, or their contents refer to |
| 00:08.55 | jelly-home | cat /proc/cpuinfo will do |
| 00:09.01 | Gun_Smoke | seems something broke in sid.. I can no longer log in.. no keyboard, no mouse.. |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | is pretty sure there's no - after his name |
| 00:09.26 | Wyzard | StrangeCharm: http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSBhttp://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html |
| 00:09.34 | Wyzard | oops, ignore the double-paste |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | StrangeCharm: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 00:09.51 | Wyzard | StrangeCharm: http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html |
| 00:09.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: you win this time! |
| 00:10.00 | StrangeCharm | abrotman- i'm looking at skeleton, but it doesn't have enough flesh on it |
| 00:10.08 | StrangeCharm | thanks Wyzard |
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| 00:10.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: ? |
| 00:10.57 | jpinx | it's like some competition to see the minimum that debian will run on |
| 00:10.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: pointing at skeletons |
| 00:11.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:11.12 | jpinx | it's in the cupboard! |
| 00:11.26 | jelly-home | needs to come out |
| 00:11.32 | jpinx | Err - closet in USA I suppose |
| 00:11.42 | abrotman | driving that train ? |
| 00:11.47 | jpinx | outs abrotman s skeleton |
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| 00:15.07 | Apitoow | somenone help me here |
| 00:15.52 | Apitoow | http://www.assemit.com.br/ |
| 00:16.23 | Apitoow | i intall the plugin fontadjust2-5-2. |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | is there an actual question ? |
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| 00:16.39 | Apitoow | but only the menus change the size |
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| 00:18.54 | Apitoow | sorry wrong channel |
| 00:20.01 | sly007 | Hello, I don't understand why full-upgrade wants to upgrade every package to sid. I have both lenny and sid in my apt.source. In my apt preference, I have package*, pin release a=lenny, priority 700 and package nginx, release a=sid, pririty=500 |
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| 00:20.15 | smokes | this lag is insane, I gotta leave to paste, bb as soon as I can |
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| 00:21.56 | \amethyst | Apitoow: the font size is being overridden in body, td { font-size: 12px; } |
| 00:23.11 | \amethyst | Apitoow: mod_fhw-fontadjust.js only changes the font size for the body (and everything that inherits from it, hence the menus etc), but the <td>'s font size is overriding it |
| 00:24.31 | \amethyst | Apitoow: probably you want a relative, rather than absolute, font size for td (line 20 of template.css) |
| 00:24.45 | \amethyst | Apitoow: e.g. 100% or 80% instead of 12px |
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| 00:26.30 | honkie | hi |
| 00:26.36 | honkie | any perl programmers here? |
| 00:27.37 | honkie | Net::Pcap is one of the rare modules that need to be installed by hand and not with cpan. i know this ain't kubuntu but that had pcap-devel in its repos and i was able to get it installed on that. but debian doesnt have that devel package. |
| 00:27.41 | honkie | or does it. |
| 00:28.43 | \amethyst | honkie: libpcal0.8-dev |
| 00:28.49 | \amethyst | honkie: err, libpcap0.8-dev |
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| 00:29.02 | honkie | got it |
| 00:29.25 | \amethyst | honkie: Debian has Net::Pcap already, btw |
| 00:29.49 | \amethyst | honkie: 0.04 in lenny, 0.16 in squeeze and sid |
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| 00:30.15 | \amethyst | honkie: libnet-pcap-perl |
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| 00:31.47 | nevyn | What filesystem should I format an external drive as these days to be compatible with linux and non-free os's |
| 00:33.05 | Gun_Smoke | anyone experience problems lately in sid? can seem to log in.. |
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| 00:35.05 | bit0 | Gun_Smoke, which kind of problems? |
| 00:35.12 | Gun_Smoke | no keyboard, no mouse.. I don't know where to start digging. I was hoping other were in the same boat |
| 00:35.12 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: checked the BTS? |
| 00:35.26 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, not yet.. good call. |
| 00:35.42 | abrotman | why wouldnt' you start there? |
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| 00:36.38 | craigevil | Gun_Smoke: no but i use lxde and slim rather than kde/gnome and kdm/gdm, did you recently upgrade to the newer xorg/hal? |
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| 00:37.05 | Gun_Smoke | craigevil, yeah there was. |
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| 00:38.26 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, I was thinking it might be sid wide, and then enough people with a similar problem would be here. |
| 00:38.37 | craigevil | if you just recently in like the past month or so upgraded to sid you may need to edit your xorg.conf and add Option "AutoAddDevices" "0" under the ServerFlags |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | or they're all reading the BTS |
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| 00:38.56 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman, lol.. indeed. |
| 00:40.03 | craigevil | haha the trick is using apt-listbugs and not using kde/gnome :) |
| 00:40.51 | Gun_Smoke | no reason not to use kde/gnome here.. |
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| 00:43.29 | bronaugh | so, dunno if anyone's interested, but I have a script that plops into your initrd and makes LSI 8208ELP cards recognized by mptsas driver. |
| 00:43.38 | bronaugh | so no need for megasr and other BS if you just want to use them as JBOD. |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | that's crazy talk |
| 00:46.04 | honkie | \amethyst: thanks that worked |
| 00:46.32 | bronaugh | abrotman: my talk? yes, yes it is :P |
| 00:46.40 | bronaugh | I'm pretty impressed with my own hackery here. |
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| 00:48.00 | darkhamm | hey people, i installed kde with synaptic, what can i do for completly remove it properly? |
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| 00:49.01 | bpun | anyone knows why "libghc6-xmonad-dev" is needed to install xmonad? |
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| 00:49.51 | bronaugh | bpun: what's xmonad? |
| 00:50.02 | bronaugh | bpun: is it some kind of dev package? if so, makes sense. |
| 00:50.16 | BCM43 | xmonad is a window mananger |
| 00:50.24 | bronaugh | oh; wierd. sounds like a broken dep. |
| 00:50.37 | BCM43 | is there an official debian store? For shirts and the like? |
| 00:50.42 | bronaugh | seems like it shouldn't require the dev package. |
| 00:51.33 | BCM43 | bronaugh: it might still be in an early stage |
| 00:51.58 | BCM43 | bronaugh: how did you come acress it? |
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| 00:52.48 | bronaugh | BCM43: xmonad? bpun asked about it. |
| 00:52.51 | bronaugh | 17:49 < bpun> anyone knows why "libghc6-xmonad-dev" is needed to install xmonad? |
| 00:52.57 | bronaugh | for context. |
| 00:53.04 | BCM43 | ah, i see. just joined the channel |
| 00:53.08 | bpun | no its FINE |
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| 00:53.13 | BCM43 | lol |
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| 01:06.11 | snail | I'm having an issue with X. occassionally, and for no obvious reason, my mouse goes into a different mode where the cut'and'paste I'm used (select and middle mouse button) doesn't work. Does anyone know how to get out of this mode without restarting X? |
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| 01:09.42 | Wing | Alarmingly, my SSH key keeps changing - roughly every 20 minutes or so |
| 01:10.30 | Wing | There's NO WAY IN HELL that system's been rooted because it's only existed for about an hour and isn't even accessible to the outside world - anyone ever run into this before? |
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| 01:10.50 | Wing | Nothing installed except the base system and SSH |
| 01:11.29 | \amethyst | Wing: the host key? |
| 01:11.32 | Wing | Yes. |
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| 01:11.36 | ranix | Wing: sounds like you got one of those mhz vampires |
| 01:11.44 | snail | Wing: is the IP address changing? |
| 01:11.46 | Tramp | Wing: duplicate arp, duplicate IP - my guess |
| 01:11.56 | ranix | have you checked your north bus for lesions or abrasions |
| 01:11.58 | snail | Tramp: snap |
| 01:12.02 | ranix | that look like fangs? |
| 01:12.44 | Wing | There shouldn't be a duplicate IP, but considering my luck today... |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | Wing: are you connecting to it via IP, then name, then fqdn, etc ? |
| 01:13.00 | Wing | Nope, just IP. |
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| 01:14.00 | Wing | uh. |
| 01:14.12 | Wing | I'm not sure what to make of this. |
| 01:14.20 | Wing | I just shut the machine down via SSH |
| 01:14.26 | Wing | and it didn't shut down |
| 01:14.38 | Wing | and it was displaying the correct hostname on the prompt. |
| 01:15.34 | abrotman | did it not poweroff, or not shutdown the OS? |
| 01:15.44 | Wing | neither. |
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| 01:16.09 | Wing | brb, going to sanity check my racks and make sure there aren't any servers that aren't supposed to exist. |
| 01:16.27 | snail | Wing: you don't maybe have a virtual and a real host of the same name? |
| 01:16.32 | cr4z3d | i'm attempting to get libvirt working on debian lenny, i installed libvirt libvirt-bin libvirt0 virtinst virt-viewer packages. when i try to do virsh list it gives me an error about unable to connect to xend. i have ensured that xend is running fine and can do xm list and it shows domain-0 is running. anyone have some advice on how to get libvirt working properly with xen? |
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| 01:20.17 | Wing | Virtual hosts are on a different subnet and named according to a different scheme. |
| 01:20.37 | Wing | well |
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| 01:23.33 | Wing | whatever the hell it was it's shut off now |
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| 01:27.00 | Wing | (and this, children, is why you always register your systems in DNS and always put your static address assignments in DHCP anyway) |
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| 01:28.30 | the|Navigator | Is there a way to use apt-get upgrade but see the before and after version strings? |
| 01:28.50 | the|Navigator | as in... before installing |
| 01:29.40 | Wing | Package iscsitarget-module is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 01:30.41 | Wing | For AMD64? |
| 01:31.02 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | the|Navigator: apt-cache policy foo |
| 01:31.28 | abrotman | the|Navigator: it should have Installed and Candidate |
| 01:31.54 | the|Navigator | I see |
| 01:31.55 | the|Navigator | thanks |
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| 01:33.13 | snail | in debian unstable, how do i configure two-button mouse emulation? |
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| 01:33.34 | abrotman | you mean three-button ? |
| 01:33.49 | snail | yes, i think so, but i'm not really sure |
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| 01:34.03 | grand_gr1nt | snail: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will ask you the question |
| 01:34.04 | consi_ | hello |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | grand_gr1nt: not anymore |
| 01:34.18 | snail | grand_gr1nt: thanks |
| 01:34.26 | consi_ | i have the following problem: i try to compile vim on debian (etch) with ruby support and i get the error that it cant find ruby.h so i used it with CPPFLAGS=-I/pathtorubyincludes and it goes further when compiling but says at some point it cant find ruby/config.h...anyone has an idea? |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | it's not going to ask him |
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| 01:35.05 | snail | abrotman: my xsession starts with emulation, but somehow seems to be changing state somehow mid-session and the action of the buttons chanegs |
| 01:35.27 | abrotman | maybe gnome/kde are interfering ? |
| 01:35.42 | snail | abrotman: and there's nothing in Control Center -> Prehperials -> Mouse that helps |
| 01:35.47 | snail | kde |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | AFAIK .. it's on by default |
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| 01:43.22 | mortermer | hi |
| 01:43.48 | mortermer | i have to compile fragrouter becuase it's not in the repos. i get grammar.c:(.text+0x339): undefined reference to `yylex' |
| 01:44.00 | mortermer | but i installed flex |
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| 01:45.01 | \amethyst | mortermer: are you linking in -lfl (the flex library) |
| 01:45.02 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 01:47.18 | Gnurdux | when/where does /etc/resolv.conf get created? |
| 01:47.18 | mortermer | i just ran make |
| 01:48.10 | \amethyst | mortermer: then apparently there is a problem with their Makefile... sounds like it's not linking in lex.yy.c |
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| 01:49.09 | \amethyst | mortermer: or that it is, but they're trying to call it from (e.g.) C++ code without an extern "C" |
| 01:49.26 | mortermer | i dont program |
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| 01:50.35 | MadMoney | Okay, virtualbox is a horrible solution. It makes the Debian quest kernel panic two out of three times I boot the guest. |
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| 01:56.47 | martianixor | hi, guys anyone used nagios, with nrpe plugin had a problem when running /usr/local/nagios/libexec/check_nrpe -H localhost |
| 01:57.15 | martianixor | Could not complete SSL handshake, because of different OpenSSL version on monitoring host and remote host? |
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| 01:57.55 | martianixor | thanks in advance |
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| 01:58.57 | MadMoney | punishes virtualbox for ruining his day with floating point exceptions and kernel panics. |
| 01:59.04 | MadMoney | What a waste. |
| 01:59.12 | darkhamm | hey people, i installed kde 4.3.0 rc2 from the ppa with synaptic, how can i remove it complitely and properly? |
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| 02:02.01 | mortermer | \amethyst: talk about a crapily written program. i found an other source file and it worked. |
| 02:02.04 | mortermer | gnite |
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| 02:14.46 | surial | Is this documentation out of date? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 02:15.06 | surial | Specifically: It seems like /etc/apt/apt.conf is being ignored, and it seems like released are called 'lenny', 'squeeze' and 'sid' instead of 'stable' 'testing' and 'unstable'. |
| 02:15.31 | surial | There's also a mention to debian 2.2, whereas it looks like we're on 5.0 now. |
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| 02:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | surial, lenny == stable right now |
| 02:17.21 | surial | So they are aliases? |
| 02:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is always a stable, testing and unstable release |
| 02:17.57 | surial | Maybe i'm going about this the wrong way. This is a production server, so in general I want stable, *BUT*, openjdk-6-jdk on stable is 1.6.0_0 which is not very stable (heh). First question: How do I figure out what version these are? a package search on debian.org doesn't show any version numbers. |
| 02:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | unstable is always called sid (because he's the naughty boy from toy story) |
| 02:18.19 | surial | So, I want the openjdk-6-jdk from testing, possibly unstable. I'm currently trying to make it happen with /etc/apt/preferences and a tactically placed pin. |
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| 02:18.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and testing is right now "squeeze" and in 2 years or so, squeeze will become the next stable |
| 02:18.45 | surial | CutMeOwnThroat: That makes sense. |
| 02:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you write "stable", apt-get update;apt-get upgrade will at one point start upgrading to squeeze |
| 02:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | while if you write "lenny" instead of squeeze, you will keep updating to lenny which will then be oldstable for one more year or so |
| 02:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/instead of squeeze/instead of stable/ |
| 02:20.36 | surial | Okay, so, I'll replace what I got with stable instead of lenny. |
| 02:21.06 | surial | But, back to the central issue: I'd like to manually specify for a given package name to use a more modern version (and as an aside I'd like to know the version of the product for a given package in a given release) |
| 02:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | for your server you probably want "lenny" - so it will be an active step to upgrade to the next stable |
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| 02:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, basically you're stuck with the versions you got... |
| 02:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is backports, though |
| 02:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !backports |
| 02:22.22 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or your can do your own backports (/msg dpkg ssb for that) |
| 02:23.32 | surial | I recall reading a guide someplace that allowed you to A) just apt-get install any packages which are in testing/unstable but not in stable, and B) by naming 'testing' specifically, update any package with its unstable version, and even getting version requirements in any dependencies from testing if that's what it takes. |
| 02:23.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you add all repositories to your sources.list, apt-cache madison <packages> shows you which repository has which versions |
| 02:23.47 | surial | and it used pinning to make sure you didn't just update the whole distro to the newer entry in your sources.list |
| 02:24.04 | surial | Of course, I'm having a rather hard time finding this guide :( |
| 02:24.05 | Arrowmaster | surial: if you want the server to continue using stuff from stable then echo "APT::Default-Release \"stable\";" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf then add additional listings for squeeze or sid to sources.list |
| 02:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | here in the channel you can /msg judd versions <package> to get the versions |
| 02:24.42 | pipingcats | You have to be careful about installing from testing/unstable because it breaks stuff often |
| 02:24.48 | surial | Arrowmaster: And how do I override this preference for a single package (and any dependencies that have a version req. that stable can't fulfill)? |
| 02:24.54 | pipingcats | like a lot of stuff |
| 02:25.03 | pipingcats | I'd recommend using backports |
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| 02:25.14 | surial | pipingcats: I doubt that openjdk v6.0_11 breaks things compared to v6.0_0. |
| 02:25.23 | pipingcats | Oh, well, probably not |
| 02:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | surial, installing testin/unstable into stable is called mixing... and you CAN do that, provided you never ever come back here to complain about how it shreddered your system |
| 02:25.42 | surial | Uh, that sounds bad. |
| 02:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it can work out ok |
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| 02:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then sometimes it doesn't |
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| 02:26.35 | surial | Well, before we get too far into this discussion: How do I figure out what version of java squeeze has right now? |
| 02:26.43 | surial | This page: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/openjdk-6-jdk does not seem to name it. |
| 02:26.46 | pipingcats | One time I installed all these new libraries to compile gnome-mud's svn build and my desktop apps got totally wedged |
| 02:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | surial, I already told you... |
| 02:26.57 | Arrowmaster | surial: apt-get -t=testing install openjdk-6-jdk |
| 02:26.59 | pipingcats | You can use the which command, I guess |
| 02:27.02 | surial | oh, I see. |
| 02:27.04 | Arrowmaster | that should work |
| 02:27.25 | surial | But what judd's telling me doesn't look like java version numbering. |
| 02:27.41 | CodeN1Nj4 | curse you aptitude!! :( |
| 02:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions sun-java6-bin |
| 02:27.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: sun-java6-bin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-14-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-14-1 |
| 02:27.55 | surial | 1.6.0_XbY where X and Y are between 0 and 20, give or take. |
| 02:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | surial, ^^^ |
| 02:28.04 | surial | judd, versions openjdk-6-jdk |
| 02:28.05 | judd | surial: openjdk-6-jdk -- lenny: 6b11-9.1 lenny-security: 6b11-9.1+lenny2 sid: 6b16-4 squeeze: 6b16-4 |
| 02:28.55 | surial | Those don't make sense. installing openjdk-6-jdk (lenny) gives me java 1.6.0_0b11. All java6 will start with 1.6.0, so the interesting bit is 0b11. The latest java version is somewhere around the 14b1 mark. |
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| 02:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how does that "not make sense"? |
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| 02:30.41 | surial | Because judd tells me lenny's openjdk-6-jdk is 6b11, but its 0b11. |
| 02:31.10 | nsadmin | how would I go about building nvidia to play nice with xen? what are the version requirements? |
| 02:31.25 | surial | evidently vA.B.C_D'B'E gets translated to B'B'E, with A, C, and D, tossed. But A, B, and C are irrelevant - sun has already stated these will always read '1.6.0', the interesting number is primarily 'D', which I can't find anywhere. |
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| 02:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you should file a bugreport.. |
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| 02:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show openjdk-6-jdk will give you the full entry for all repositories in your sources.list |
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| 02:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is probably just lenny right now= |
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| 02:39.08 | Arrowmaster | so i spent most of the day assembling my new desktop and im going to install debian on it in a bit, its got a Marvell 88SE6320 SAS controller on the motherboard, im wondering if i use that if it would be a fakeraid or a hardware raid |
| 02:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, you can also do apt-cache showsrc openjdk-6-jdk |
| 02:39.38 | pipingcats | It depends entirely on whether that controller is fakeraid or full hardware raid |
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| 02:40.28 | nsadmin | if it's on the mobo very likely it's fake |
| 02:40.33 | surial | CutMeOwnThroat: The maintainer of openjdk-6-jdk is the openjdk team itself. you'd think they'd get their versioning correct. Now I'm wondering if openJDK versions differently than sun's jdk.... |
| 02:40.49 | pipingcats | Oh, if it's on the motherboard, there's almost no question |
| 02:40.51 | surial | judd, versions sun-java6-bin |
| 02:40.52 | judd | surial: sun-java6-bin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-14-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-14-1 |
| 02:41.32 | surial | Those make a lot more sense. 6 is 'java6', 07/12/14 is the release number, which is about par with what one would expect, and the '1' is either a dummy or the minor update release code, which is usually not important. |
| 02:41.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was thinking it would be a fakeraid but since its sas instead of sata i wasnt quite sure |
| 02:42.07 | Arrowmaster | i think theres only one chip for it on the mobo so it would have to be a fakeraid right? |
| 02:42.21 | pipingcats | Most real RAID controllers cost at least 200 USD alone |
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| 02:42.33 | abrotman | it's marvell ..almost definitely fakeraid .. even if it weren't on the mobo |
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| 02:43.04 | Arrowmaster | i know theres a $500 one in the new computer i just built, i just dont want the os installed on it |
| 02:43.45 | nsadmin | you're going to need the hardware manuals on the cards in your computer, very likely. |
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| 02:44.02 | Billy | google chrome for linux |
| 02:44.03 | Billy | http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel |
| 02:44.48 | Arrowmaster | nsadmin: 3ware 9650SE-8LPML |
| 02:44.50 | nsadmin | Billy: thank you for sharing... |
| 02:45.15 | JW | On a debian system, I had to import a DB from a redhat box. I also had to import the mysql user in order to get the permissions from the redhat Mysql DB. After I did that, of course, it messed up the debian-sys-maint user. The strange thing is, I cna't seem to "fix" it by re-granting privileges to the debian-sysmaint user. |
| 02:45.16 | abrotman | Billy: please don't spam here |
| 02:45.28 | Billy | ? |
| 02:45.34 | Billy | im not spamming |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | yes, you are |
| 02:45.43 | Billy | no im not |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | Billy: do you ahve a Debian question? |
| 02:46.05 | Billy | no im sharing that google chrome is now available for linux |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | great .. now you're only two weeks behind |
| 02:46.18 | nsadmin | then what do you call your first two lines after you joined? that would be unsolicited |
| 02:46.20 | JW | when I do the grant, flush it, and then check it again with show grants for 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost'; it shows a differnet password than the one I send in. |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | Billy: go paste your crap somewhere else |
| 02:46.42 | Billy | stfu kid and grow up |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 02:47.11 | pipingcats | abrotman: If you hadn't riled him up, he would have just shut up when no one paid attention to him |
| 02:47.15 | Billy | nope you are u need to gtfo if your gonna be a 12 year old bitch |
| 02:47.17 | nsadmin | Billy: it has nothign to do with debian. it's unsolicited. it's spam. |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | pipingcats: or he might have kept pasting it |
| 02:47.25 | abrotman | Billy: please go away |
| 02:47.32 | Billy | for your info i have debian lenny 5 |
| 02:47.47 | nsadmin | so do you have questions about it? |
| 02:47.55 | Billy | but whatever i see u have a shit community so later |
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| 02:48.02 | jpinx | Billy: ffs ask a debian question or bugger off |
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| 02:48.28 | surial | Oh, no. We must add more Billy-type people posthaste in order to become a not-shit community, stat! |
| 02:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | clearly not enough name calling |
| 02:49.05 | JW | hey does anyone know how to repair the debian-sys-maint user in mysql? |
| 02:49.08 | surial | Eh. Consider this: We have learned today that there are idiots/asshats on the internet. I COULD call the newspaper, but I think I'll just take it in stride. |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | JW: yes |
| 02:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice one |
| 02:49.38 | abrotman | !forgot mysql root password |
| 02:49.39 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 02:49.43 | JW | abrot - did you see what I said about it above - right about the time billy showed up? ;-) |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | is that what you want ? |
| 02:49.49 | surial | I'll roll with this version of java for now. Popped off an email to the maintainers for clarification. Could be I'm just not reading these version numbers correctly - that seems like the likely explanation. Otherwise, will file bug. Thanks for the help, CutMeOwnThroat and others! |
| 02:49.51 | JW | no, not root |
| 02:49.57 | JW | I have the root password and it's working |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | JW: no, i was so awestruck with the awesome news of the browser |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | JW: but you screwed up the original permissions |
| 02:50.13 | JW | yeah I kind of had that impression :-) |
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| 02:50.26 | surial | (and, I decided to skip on the mixing plan, removed the pins and prefs, and tossed testing out of the source list). |
| 02:50.32 | JW | abrotman: I did, but I have the root password so it should be fixable, no? |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | JW: i vaguely recall this being in the /usr/share/doc/mysql*/ stuff .. |
| 02:50.57 | jaggz- | how do I see which IP I'm connected from when I ssh to a system? |
| 02:51.00 | JW | abrotman: I googled the problem and I see to simply grant privilges to that user again |
| 02:51.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | surial, as I said... '/msg dpkg ssb' for your own backports... |
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| 02:51.20 | JW | but when I do, the problem still isn't going away. |
| 02:51.29 | surial | CutMeOwnThroat: I may, once I figure out if I'm reading the version numbers correctly. |
| 02:51.33 | nsadmin | jaggz-: who or w |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | !debian-sys-maint |
| 02:51.37 | dpkg | methinks debian-sys-maint is a special user that has access to the local mysql for starting/stopping mysql and other maintenance operations. You should not remove this user. If you somehow erased it, there is a script to fix it bundled with the debian mysql package. |
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| 02:51.55 | JW | how come when I run show grants for 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost'; I get a different password back than what I put in - is it because it's been encrypted? |
| 02:52.32 | nsadmin | mysql shows passwords? |
| 02:52.47 | JW | nsadmin: show grants for 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost'; |
| 02:53.09 | surial | JW: last time I used mysql, passwords are MD5ed, or some other hash is applied. |
| 02:53.36 | surial | or, rather, mysql WILL hash any used password and then compare that, and there's a PASSWORD function that does it for you. Putting your actual password in the password column doesn't work. |
| 02:53.41 | surial | IIRC, IANAL, etc. |
| 02:53.49 | JW | surial: than the pasword that I put in to start with should the be plain-text, and I copied it out of /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 02:54.14 | JW | now what I don't understand is, should what's in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf be the plain text or the encrypted one? |
| 02:54.22 | abrotman | maybe it's mysql_fix_privilege_tables ? |
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| 02:54.23 | JW | I've tried both and neither one works :-) |
| 02:54.24 | surial | I don't know about /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, but mysql has an internal table for user management. That table has a password column. That's the one that's hashed. |
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| 02:54.54 | mischief- | hey uh can anyone tell me how to update my /boot/System.map* files? |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | JW: i could give you my canned response :) |
| 02:55.38 | JW | please don't ;-) |
| 02:56.27 | \amethyst | JW: the password shown by 'show grants' is hashed, the one in debian.cnf is plain text |
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| 03:04.12 | jaggz- | who --ips is lame but works, thanks :) |
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| 03:06.08 | jaggz- | we're using an isp with dynamic IPs :( |
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| 03:08.08 | mischief- | anyone here use kerneltop? |
| 03:08.16 | smokes | back, is there anyone in here who remembers what I was asking about earlier today? |
| 03:08.30 | SuperMiguel | sure |
| 03:08.31 | bpun | smokes, if someone slept with your wife? |
| 03:08.45 | bpun | smokes, did ya find out who it was? |
| 03:08.46 | jaggz- | I want an auto-answer intercom system between this computer and another on our lan |
| 03:08.49 | smokes | thank GOD |
| 03:09.27 | smokes | not in the mood, bpun, two words: lag hell |
| 03:09.28 | bpun | smokes, dont tell me.. the priest did! |
| 03:09.38 | bpun | lol |
| 03:10.15 | smokes | it took me from then until now to pastebin,literally |
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| 03:10.55 | jpinx | smokes: where did you paste it? |
| 03:11.04 | smokes | here it is : http://debian.pastebin.com/m212146c6 |
| 03:11.35 | mischief- | eh nobody uses kerneltop? i'm trying to use it but i keep getting "kerneltop: System.map-2.6.30-1-amd64(17088): descending address order in map line" |
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| 03:12.14 | smokes | free -m, fdisk -l, cat /proc/cpuinfo, even cpuid |
| 03:12.34 | jpinx | smokes: you can forget X with that amount of RAM |
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| 03:12.56 | bpun | smokes, that's pretty good, u have 60 megs of ram.. |
| 03:13.05 | jpinx | smokes: use links2 -g as your browser |
| 03:13.25 | jpinx | smokes: what are you using for irc here? |
| 03:13.38 | smokes | do I need to re partition my swap? xchat |
| 03:13.52 | mischief- | jpinx: he could use X fine :s |
| 03:14.16 | jpinx | smokes: you should use irssi for your irc |
| 03:14.47 | jpinx | smokes: basically - stay out of X |
| 03:15.03 | smokes | I suck at command lines, i iz nnot leet! |
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| 03:15.16 | jpinx | smokes: links2 is a doddle |
| 03:15.27 | MadMoney | teaches smokes rm -rf /tmp/ |
| 03:15.28 | jpinx | smokes aptitude install links2 |
| 03:15.44 | jpinx | MadMoney: stop making trouble |
| 03:16.13 | MadMoney | Debian needs to let me enter address ranges of where I have bad memory. |
| 03:16.18 | swellie | jpinx, I think instead of teaching him to use links2, it'd be better to tell him to buy a new computer |
| 03:16.33 | jpinx | swellie: go ahead ;) |
| 03:16.33 | pipingcats | The system ought to handle that for you automatically |
| 03:16.42 | smokes | see, that's what I'm talking about, "doddle", huh? well, I know how to use the apt-get...sorta |
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| 03:17.01 | swellie | smokes, you should probably just buy a knew computer..... or at least more RAM |
| 03:17.08 | jpinx | smokes: I gave you the command to install links2 |
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| 03:17.36 | jpinx | swellie: at least 256MBs more RAM ;) |
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| 03:18.07 | swellie | smokes, what's your zip code, I'll go find the nearest best buy, since it'll take you forever |
| 03:18.08 | jpinx | swellie: not sure if the rest of his system/bios will cope with it |
| 03:18.15 | swellie | jpinx, yeah |
| 03:18.25 | swellie | I have a box like that |
| 03:18.30 | swellie | that's got almost no RAM |
| 03:18.33 | swellie | It's a fileserver |
| 03:18.34 | swellie | :) |
| 03:18.36 | jpinx | swellie: you're good to folks :) |
| 03:18.44 | swellie | I try |
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| 03:18.50 | smokes | thanks jpinx, boo at swellie, shame on you man. |
| 03:18.51 | swellie | it's that motherly instinct in me |
| 03:19.25 | swellie | smokes, I'm serious..... it won't be long until your specs are below what's required for most operating systems |
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| 03:19.45 | mrtn123 | how is "Disk Identifier"(seen with fdisk) calculated? |
| 03:19.48 | smokes | okay, but seriously, can't I just use a humongous a$$ swap? |
| 03:20.07 | jpinx | smokes: on on the fringe dude - upgrade at least the RAM if you can |
| 03:20.21 | jpinx | smokes: not really - that's what's causing your huge lag |
| 03:20.27 | MadMoney | jpinx: What is wrong with rm -irf /tmp/*? |
| 03:20.29 | jpinx | smokes: swap is slow |
| 03:20.35 | bpun | smokes, what type of app are u trying to run? 60 meg is way below today's requirements.. |
| 03:20.44 | jpinx | bpun: X |
| 03:20.57 | swellie | facedesk |
| 03:21.09 | bpun | smokes, oh y.. u can run X on 60meg.. just run a light weight manager like lxde... |
| 03:21.20 | MadMoney | Come on, you can run Linux on less than 32MB of RAM. |
| 03:21.24 | smokes | crap, do I need to kill& remove the x-win from a special terminal, cuz lag is starting to creep in... |
| 03:21.25 | jpinx | deskface |
| 03:21.50 | martian67 | bpun, not really |
| 03:21.58 | surial | What's the debian-standard way of launching a certain program at boot? |
| 03:22.01 | martian67 | you can run windowmaker in 60 megs of ram |
| 03:22.02 | martian67 | or at least you COULD |
| 03:22.06 | surial | roll-your-own script in /etc/init.d? |
| 03:22.08 | MadMoney | martian67: Read about SmallX/KDrive |
| 03:22.13 | martian67 | before X11 got insanely bloaty |
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| 03:22.56 | jpinx | smokes: ignore all the cruft - do aptitude install links2 |
| 03:23.13 | martian67 | jpinx, bah :P |
| 03:23.14 | bpun | surial, there isn't |
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| 03:23.42 | smokes | bb, hopefully sooner than later.. |
| 03:23.52 | surial | bpun: Funny how there are a number of things that you'd think are streamlined for a _server_ OS. I always felt like I was doing something wrong when I rolled my own /etc/init.d scripts. |
| 03:24.26 | MadMoney | I'm actually integrating an httpd into /sbin/init. It is really brilliant. |
| 03:24.32 | bpun | surial, i have no clue about that |
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| 03:26.49 | \amethyst | surial: you could add it to /etc/rc.local if you don't mind it running at the very end (from S99rc.local) |
| 03:26.58 | surial | works for me. |
| 03:27.02 | shivraj | is a troll .... |
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| 03:27.16 | shivraj | is looking to bite on troll bait |
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| 03:28.03 | bpun | ponders about himself ghostly of saying things he never has |
| 03:28.56 | \amethyst | EAGAIN? |
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| 03:38.14 | lewis2 | how do I convert text files to utf8? |
| 03:38.52 | simonrvn | man iconv |
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| 03:41.57 | lewis2 | nevermind |
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| 03:47.04 | surial | Crud. |
| 03:47.27 | surial | I need ca-certificates-java otherwise openjdk-6-jdk on stable will simply not do any SSL, in or out. But, ca-certificates-java is in testing. |
| 03:47.32 | surial | How evil is mixing, exactly? |
| 03:47.45 | surial | I mean, it's mixing, or moving the whole thing over to testing. |
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| 03:48.26 | \amethyst | surial: check the dependencies of the package |
| 03:48.33 | surial | light. |
| 03:48.39 | surial | openssl with no version number stated.. |
| 03:49.01 | \amethyst | surial: ca-certificates >= 20090624 |
| 03:49.07 | \amethyst | so you'd have to upgrade that as well |
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| 03:49.27 | surial | true, but that one has light dependencies. openssl (no version req.), debconf-2.0. |
| 03:49.58 | surial | or debconf>=0.5, which lenny has. |
| 03:50.17 | surial | okay, so let's say I'm willing to risk it. How do I go about this? I added testing to the sources.list. I presume I now create a pin to keep things stuck on lenny... |
| 03:52.14 | surial | This looks apt: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html (oh, the puns, not with the puns). |
| 03:52.47 | \amethyst | surial: yes, and |
| 03:52.49 | \amethyst | !pinning |
| 03:52.49 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 03:53.25 | surial | huh, this is interesting. I fixed nano/backspace issues by unremarking set rebinddelete |
| 03:53.28 | surial | but it worked exactly once. |
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| 04:11.05 | darkhamm | why synaptic don't have an undo command, providing to uninstall software in a big number of packages (like kde) ???? |
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| 04:13.25 | smokes | man, my cpu looks like it's in dos... |
| 04:14.16 | smokes | but atleast irssi, and links2 work without lag |
| 04:14.17 | ranix | your central processing unit looks like it is in dos? |
| 04:14.36 | ranix | I'm picturing some kind of retarded version of The Matrix here, smokes |
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| 04:14.47 | ranix | in which objects can exist INSIDE THE DOS |
| 04:15.00 | smokes | nah, i don't have enough ram for iceweasel or xchat |
| 04:15.02 | ranix | just take the red pill |
| 04:15.20 | ranix | even if you did, irssi is better |
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| 04:16.08 | smokes | mmm pills...i'll have to learn a new irc, they'll take the edge off |
| 04:16.40 | smokes | so why is everybody so gung ho about irssi? |
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| 04:17.29 | ranix | nobody is gung ho about it |
| 04:17.33 | ranix | it's just the best irc client |
| 04:17.40 | bpun | smokes, what type of video card is it? a trident 1 Megabyte ? |
| 04:17.42 | nevyn | irssi > * |
| 04:17.46 | nevyn | along with git |
| 04:17.51 | nevyn | and debian of course ;) |
| 04:18.11 | smokes | so far, the main differences I can see is the loss of the sweet sweet eye candy, and my irc log seems to have shrunk... |
| 04:18.36 | \amethyst | you can of course run irssi and links in X |
| 04:18.45 | bpun | smokes, i never seen a celeron on a 60 meg machine. it's like a ferrari engine placed in a lada |
| 04:19.01 | \amethyst | if you don't throw GNOME or KDE in there, the memory usage isn't that horrible |
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| 04:19.38 | yaaar | howdy |
| 04:19.39 | smokes | I'm using GNOME as my desktop manager...the line has to stop somewhere |
| 04:20.29 | smokes | but hey, this is still better than DSL |
| 04:20.43 | smokes | hey , yaaar |
| 04:21.08 | ranix | how does one even get sixty megs of ram |
| 04:21.28 | smokes | bpun is all jealous I got a ferrari engine *pimp grin* |
| 04:21.50 | ranix | 32+16+8+4? |
| 04:22.08 | smokes | it's a Classic cpu, ranix |
| 04:22.08 | ranix | you must have the most retarded RAM array that ever was |
| 04:22.33 | ranix | did you mean 64 megs of ram? |
| 04:22.50 | smokes | uhh....yeah |
| 04:23.04 | ranix | I mean it's theoretically possible to have 60 megs |
| 04:23.08 | ranix | I have a machine with 14 megs |
| 04:23.13 | ranix | I don't know how they pulled that off |
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| 04:23.37 | smokes | seriously, nah, it's 60 if I recall right |
| 04:23.39 | ranix | probably some Christian voodoo with silicon and transistors and sheep's blood |
| 04:23.41 | bpun | smokes, i asked if u use a video card, having an appropriate driver for it can speed up the graphic display |
| 04:23.45 | ranix | !u |
| 04:23.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 04:25.07 | smokes | I don't know, bpun, let me try and find out... |
| 04:26.17 | smokes | what command would give me the info, bpun? |
| 04:26.29 | bpun | smokes, well.. lspci might... |
| 04:26.31 | Wing | Alright - I have a fully configured install, and I'd like to load the whole mess (all 602mb) into a ramdisk and boot from there. Thoughts? |
| 04:27.08 | bpun | smokes, also check the X log to see what driver is being used.. is ur monitor hooked to the onboard vga port, or onto a pci vga port? |
| 04:27.50 | smokes | cool, i'm on it, as much as I know how |
| 04:28.18 | bpun | smokes, so it's an onboard vga port? |
| 04:28.37 | bpun | thinks smokes doesn't even knows what vga means.. |
| 04:29.01 | smokes | i got a vga compatible controller |
| 04:29.12 | Wing | One would most certainly hope. |
| 04:29.13 | bpun | smokes, is it on a pci card? |
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| 04:29.46 | smokes | pci bridge i think |
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| 04:30.12 | newbie | hello, on lenny, i need postgresql 8.2 ? |
| 04:30.15 | bpun | smokes, so the thingie on the back of the monitor.. it must be plugging into the main motherboard.. |
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| 04:30.32 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:30.40 | bpun | err |
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| 04:31.23 | bpun | u just have to look at the lspci line that says VGA duh.. |
| 04:31.25 | bpun | :) |
| 04:31.33 | smokes | it goes into the back of the machine, but from there it might be plugged into the MB for all I know |
| 04:31.50 | bpun | smokes, so what is the vga controller? |
| 04:32.05 | smokes | chipset graphic controller, you mean? |
| 04:32.18 | smokes | (rev 03) |
| 04:32.49 | bpun | smokes, lspci |grep -i vga |
| 04:33.40 | smokes | it returns what i just said basically |
| 04:33.51 | smokes | Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:34.16 | bpun | smokes, strange.. maybe it's this irc relay.. i only see Intel once.. :/.. |
| 04:34.45 | smokes | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.06 | smokes | straight from the electronic mouth |
| 04:35.51 | bpun | smokes, i810 < may be the driver u'd like to use.. check if the X log says its using it |
| 04:36.11 | bpun | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 04:37.01 | smokes | doing it right now |
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| 04:38.02 | bpun | smokes, xvinfo may show something.. |
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| 04:38.57 | smokes | so, this is a VGA controller upgrade, right |
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| 04:40.09 | bpun | smokes, well if X doesn't autoload i810.. then u can make an xorg.conf file.. try apt-gettiing the video driver then restarting X (ctl-alt-backspace on login screen) |
| 04:41.01 | bpun | smokes, does apt-get say it's already installed? |
| 04:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually I'm not so keen on installing proprietary skype on my machine - does someone by chance know if the guys using skype can reach my someone@ekiga address? |
| 04:42.38 | smokes | it's installing it now, wans't installed earlier |
| 04:42.51 | bpun | smokes, are u using it for this irc? |
| 04:43.25 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, werent u asking this earlier? |
| 04:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:43.38 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, and what does have to do with debian? |
| 04:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's ALSO what dpkgs factoid tells me to do |
| 04:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I want to know if it's feasible with all the people who ask me "do you have skype" |
| 04:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I say "I have ekiga" |
| 04:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't know, just don't answer it |
| 04:45.12 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, interesting. but I doubt anyone here cares about skype.. so ask #linux |
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| 04:45.58 | bpun | or go email skype technical support.. |
| 04:46.07 | JW | anyone here know how to programm the dkpg - factiod bot? |
| 04:46.30 | smokes | x? yeah, should i get off the irc, so it can autoload? |
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| 04:46.52 | bpun | smokes, y.. restart X.. btw are u using gdm/kdm or xdm ? |
| 04:47.00 | bpun | smokes, or did u use startx? |
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| 04:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW, no polls |
| 04:47.30 | smokes | respectfully, i have to ask bpun, wtf? :) |
| 04:47.32 | JW | what? Like, I'm asking for help. |
| 04:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 04:47.50 | bpun | smokes, do u use a graphical login screen? |
| 04:48.06 | bpun | smokes, likely that's gdm... |
| 04:48.17 | smokes | oh, yeah, now it get it , yes |
| 04:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | /msg dpkg help gets you started |
| 04:48.20 | bpun | smokes, so once ur back at login screen.. type ctl-alt-backspace.. and wait 15 seconds.. |
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| 04:48.48 | JW | When did folks on IRC become so legalistic? I've been using freenode since before some of you guys probably had your own computers . . . ppl never used to be so touchy. |
| 04:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW, I just feel silly saying "yes" |
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| 04:49.24 | JW | Really? Wow. I fell bad for you. |
| 04:49.27 | JW | *feel |
| 04:49.28 | bpun | smokes, once back in.. check to see if ur using the new video driver... |
| 04:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, you can drop it now |
| 04:50.10 | JW | sure. But seriously . . . relax (I know, I know, that's an oxymoron ;-) ) |
| 04:50.33 | smokes | with xvinfo?or lspci? |
| 04:50.53 | bpun | smokes, xvinfo.. |
| 04:51.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm totally relaxed |
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| 04:52.11 | smokes | cool, y'know I barely understand this, i would've thought i'd have to get a new video card or something like that |
| 04:52.25 | JW | I expect some day soon to join up and see the the MOTD is "get off my lawn", heh. |
| 04:52.38 | bpun | smokes, does xvinfo say i810 ? |
| 04:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW, I feel sorry for you |
| 04:52.53 | JW | ;-) |
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| 04:53.31 | smokes | yeah, it does, ca-rrrazy man |
| 04:53.45 | bpun | smokes, so is the graphic display faster or what? ;) |
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| 04:54.49 | smokes | it's a lot better than it was before you insulted my mother :) |
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| 04:55.00 | bpun | smokes, ? |
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| 04:55.27 | bpun | smokes, you live with your mother? how old are you? |
| 04:55.28 | bpun | lol |
| 04:56.18 | smokes | nah, my irc log is short as hell now, you said something about my mother and a priest or something, hell you can probably go back and see |
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| 04:57.03 | bpun | smokes, no. |
| 04:57.23 | bpun | smokes, u were asking if someone remembered u earlier this morning or something.. and I said if someone slept with ur wife.. |
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| 04:57.50 | dondelelcaro | whatever happened or didn't happen this morning isn't on topic here |
| 04:57.50 | bpun | smokes, then u said "god something".. and then I said .. lala priest |
| 04:57.53 | bpun | lol |
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| 04:58.06 | bpun | i dont know why he brings it up.. |
| 04:58.08 | dondelelcaro | if you need to hash it out, please use /msg |
| 04:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | some Pnux asked something similar |
| 04:58.18 | bpun | seems like this dude has gone over-dependent.. |
| 04:58.22 | smokes | i'm on irssi, short log... |
| 04:58.59 | smokes | like your wife keeps complaining, y'know about you |
| 04:59.01 | JW | I want to append something to the debian-sys-maint factoid but I'm still not sure how to do that even after trying /msg dkpg help - what do I do to modify an existing factoid? |
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| 05:00.22 | smokes | that's one of those double entendre's * ^5 my old english teacher* |
| 05:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, while nobody asked that directly, seems my question was answered there: <mquin> Pnux: skype is a very closed platform - they don't allow interoprability with third party software or systems |
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| 05:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | should have thought so |
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| 05:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW, you can replace a factoid with no, factoid is (...newtext...) |
| 05:02.27 | JW | thank you |
| 05:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would have told you right away had you only asked instead of making a silly poll :) |
| 05:02.40 | smokes | but bad jokes aside, thanks bpun |
| 05:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | my answer wasn't meant to be unfriendly... I'm just tired of the "can I ask something" |
| 05:04.23 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, sounds like you have no friends asking others to call you on ur voip whatever.. |
| 05:04.23 | bpun | lol |
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| 05:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | bpun, it's really absurd - I found today it might be nice because computer-computer would give a better quality... |
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| 05:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I use a voip-to-landline service that lets me phone ca. 1h/day free for some months on a one-time fee... so there's realy no reason to care |
| 05:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but some people only have mobiles and no landline and mobile quality often sucks |
| 05:08.02 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: In all honesty I didn't consider "Can someone help with xyz specific" to be in the same class as "can I ask to ask . . . " but, OK. |
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| 05:09.04 | smokes | as the zen programmer said "be as shameless as the uninformed man with a 60MB RAM" |
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| 05:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW, no, it's in the class of "anyone use xxx" :) and there's a dpkg factoid I normally use... !anyone use xxx |
| 05:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 05:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, sleeptime |
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| 05:10.56 | JW | have a nice nap |
| 05:11.01 | peterrooney | nobody uses that factoid. |
| 05:11.07 | peterrooney | not even the people that use it. |
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| 05:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even the ones ... |
| 05:11.11 | JW | and thanks for the help ;-) |
| 05:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 05:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, seems 372 people DID use it |
| 05:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | theSableProf, .... seems whatever it was you smoked, you're about to regret it |
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| 05:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( or so you'd think if someones nick changes from smokes to something really weird ) |
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| 05:17.50 | bpun | smokes is just a newbie.. he should be shameful to name himself professor of any sort.. |
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| 05:19.22 | uchiha88 | hi all |
| 05:20.15 | uchiha88 | is it possible to download and install Debian from Ubuntu without a cd |
| 05:21.00 | uchiha88 | afterwards just pick Debian from the grub boot menu |
| 05:21.08 | unreal-dude | ive heard of such things, but ino it is possible |
| 05:21.29 | unreal-dude | u have no boot disk method? |
| 05:21.37 | uchiha88 | nope |
| 05:21.52 | unreal-dude | can u do netboot? |
| 05:22.04 | uchiha88 | don't know how to |
| 05:22.15 | uchiha88 | do a netboot |
| 05:22.23 | bpun | uchiha88, it's called net-install, if u have another machine on the lan, u can set it up as an tftp server (if ur client's bios can do pxe) |
| 05:22.39 | unreal-dude | ^^ |
| 05:22.51 | uchiha88 | would a Ethernet cable work |
| 05:23.05 | Arrowmaster | just use a usb drive |
| 05:23.11 | unreal-dude | or ^^ |
| 05:23.12 | Arrowmaster | im in the middle of doing that right now |
| 05:23.34 | Arrowmaster | and im wondering why the automatic partitioning wants to create an 18.4 GB swap.... |
| 05:23.57 | Arrowmaster | that seems a bit excessive to me |
| 05:24.32 | unreal-dude | it thinks u got 9.2 GBs of RAM? |
| 05:24.49 | Arrowmaster | ive only got 6GB of ram |
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| 05:25.14 | unreal-dude | 12 should be default then :P or thats as informed as i am |
| 05:25.42 | Arrowmaster | i think ill up / and /tmp to 1GB each too |
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| 05:31.56 | neo8848 | good day everyone, i just want to verify that I have this right : to mount an ntfs partition (with read / write access) at boot time , i should edit fstab and add this line : /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 ? |
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| 05:35.37 | BoltPwer56 | Any good packages for decrypting DVDs to .iso? I've google and googled, and all i get are windows apps in wine solutions. |
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| 05:39.03 | neo8848 | observes it's a pretty quiet day ... |
| 05:39.03 | TheBlunderbuss | neo8848: looks good to me |
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| 05:39.40 | neo8848 | The Blunderbuss: does this mean it's perfectly ok already, no issues to look forward to? |
| 05:39.45 | JyZyXEL | is there something special i should think about when i hook my debian system HD to a totally different system? |
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| 05:39.57 | TheBlunderbuss | That depends if /dev/sda1 is correct and /mnt/windows exists. |
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| 05:40.23 | craigevil | BoltPwer56: k9copy there are other apps as well |
| 05:41.16 | neo8848 | TheBlunderbuss: yes, actually it's /dev/hda3 it works ok as i mounted manually, but i'm worried something unforseen might happen on boot, and i'll be in a lot of trouble |
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| 05:41.47 | TheBlunderbuss | neo8848: If you do the command manually, and it's fine, then it'll work with fstab |
| 05:42.26 | BoltPwer56 | craigevil: ive seen little bit about k9copy, have you used it and works? not good posts on it on the web. |
| 05:43.13 | craigevil | BoltPwer56: works just fine never had any issues with it, i copy all of our movies because the kids destroy them |
| 05:45.05 | neo8848 | TheBlunderbuss: ok, i guess i'll have to get my feet wet now, thanks |
| 05:45.21 | BoltPwer56 | craigevil: i hear that, i got 3, 2 4 6 they all have killed around 20 diseny movies. Thanks for the heads up, |
| 05:46.11 | TheBlunderbuss | I was just about to answer him. Pooh |
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| 06:02.51 | neo8848 | has just tested mounting ntfs during boot and it looks fine |
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| 06:05.10 | mrtn1231 | how is "Disk Identifier"(seen with fdisk) calculated? |
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| 06:16.01 | teknishun | Hello, I run Lenny. It was working flawlessly until yesterday when I ran 'apt-get update' & then upgraded to whatever packages it suggested that needed upgrade. Now I can't run 'wine' & Opera gives network problem. I can connect Epiphany & Iceweasel just fine |
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| 06:18.15 | unreal-dude | did apt-get provide errors? |
| 06:18.44 | unreal-dude | there were broken dependencies lately for some packages |
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| 06:20.00 | teknishun | No, it upgraded just fine |
| 06:20.37 | teknishun | if I mistake not, the upgraded packages were 'dhcp' or 'dbus', I can't exactly recall |
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| 06:30.22 | unreal-dude | dbus was broken for another user |
| 06:30.34 | unreal-dude | i would check the logs |
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| 06:31.44 | teknishun | Thank you, at least now I know the problem is generic. I'll wait for next patches |
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| 06:34.26 | Shtl | Hi All |
| 06:34.31 | Shtl | Any proxy servers for linux with GUI support?? |
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| 06:52.00 | teknishun | Shtl: Google tor & privoxy, if that's what you need. You can use TorK as GUI |
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| 06:53.04 | jerryeguru | this morning my lenny crashed, i get the message "give root password for maitanance or type Control -D to continue" |
| 06:53.09 | umarzuki | hi, how to check dovecot status with debian lenny? |
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| 06:53.21 | umarzuki | there no status option for dovecot |
| 06:53.26 | jerryeguru | root filesystem is in read only mode & fsck is required |
| 06:53.46 | fireba11 | jerryeguru: got any backups? :-) sounds like a damaged HD |
| 06:54.11 | Lovecraft | No it doesn't. |
| 06:54.20 | Lovecraft | Sounds like a messy filesystem. |
| 06:54.43 | fireba11 | Lovecraft: and that is usually caused by a damaged HD |
| 06:54.49 | Lovecraft | No it isn't. |
| 06:54.55 | jerryeguru | fireba11: no backups at all |
| 06:55.14 | jerryeguru | it is a faulty filesystem |
| 06:55.18 | Lovecraft | Its caused by an ubclean umount. |
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| 06:56.05 | jerryeguru | how can i fix this, i remember doing it once but do not recall the steps or if i need a Live CD |
| 06:56.14 | jerryeguru | which i do not have. |
| 06:56.27 | fireba11 | Lovecraft: in my experience about 60% of the cases where the filesystem is fault the HD is as well. |
| 06:56.39 | Lovecraft | Just do the maintenance option, and fsck the partition or drive and reboot. |
| 06:57.13 | fireba11 | jerryeguru: i also suggest doing some backup if there is any important data on there as soon as possible just to be on the save side |
| 06:57.14 | Lovecraft | You must have some crappy hardware then. |
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| 06:57.47 | fireba11 | Lovecraft: and you would know better why exactly? |
| 06:58.29 | Lovecraft | A sudden umount doesn't damage drives. |
| 06:58.45 | Lovecraft | It can cause a filesystem to be inconsistent. |
| 06:58.54 | Lovecraft | In need of a cleanup. |
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| 06:59.09 | fireba11 | Lovecraft: the crash might just as well be caused by a damaged HD though |
| 06:59.39 | fireba11 | Lovecraft: haven't seen debian crash for no reason here for years |
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| 07:01.19 | mrfoobar | what do you do when bootup freezes? |
| 07:01.38 | Lovecraft | How far into it? |
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| 07:02.20 | mrfoobar | when it loads up my sata driver it freezes |
| 07:02.23 | mrfoobar | so very early |
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| 07:02.38 | teknishun | jerryeguru: Ubuntu forum has a post on the issue - ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=995033 |
| 07:03.20 | jerryeguru | i have given the root password and done fsck /dev/sda1 now something is happening |
| 07:03.34 | jerryeguru | teknishun: thanks mate let me check it out |
| 07:03.49 | nevyn | fireba11: define no reason? |
| 07:04.02 | fireba11 | mrfoobar: is that new or did it work a while ago? |
| 07:04.44 | fireba11 | nevyn: without hardware being faulty. ah well and the vmware kernel module having problems with lan ^^ |
| 07:05.13 | nevyn | ok if you havn't found kernel bugs/regressions you havn't been really trying. |
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| 07:05.20 | nevyn | ;) |
| 07:05.34 | nevyn | I've had linux eat hardware in the last 3 years |
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| 07:05.36 | fireba11 | nevyn: well i also stick to stable :-) |
| 07:05.54 | nevyn | well ok if you use STABLE.... |
| 07:06.09 | nevyn | looks at his laptop... sid+kde4 from experimental. |
| 07:06.15 | nevyn | did that make it into sid yet? |
| 07:06.39 | nevyn | looks on p.d.o |
| 07:06.58 | nevyn | nope still stuck in experimental. |
| 07:07.00 | fireba11 | nevyn: i got servers i booted twice in 4 years. to load the security-fix-kernels :-D |
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| 07:07.16 | nevyn | ah.. I don't get to use debian on servers. |
| 07:07.40 | nevyn | RHEL + SLES + Solaris 8,9,10 + HPUX :( |
| 07:08.02 | nevyn | it makes me sad.. but we're very conservative (sortof) |
| 07:08.36 | mrfoobar | so very earlydddd |
| 07:08.38 | fireba11 | i got only 2 non-debian servers. those run windows for a couple stupid apps that need crap like IIS to work |
| 07:08.49 | mrfoobar | i put my SATA controller to another PCI slot |
| 07:08.51 | mrfoobar | and now it works |
| 07:08.59 | mrfoobar | i wonder what that was about o.O |
| 07:09.10 | nevyn | should find some dinner.. |
| 07:09.32 | nevyn | mrfoobar: interrupt sharing.. solar flares who knows. |
| 07:09.43 | nevyn | bad seating of the card... bleh |
| 07:09.49 | mrfoobar | this is not the first time changing PCI slots helps |
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| 07:11.00 | fireba11 | hehe .. solar flares :-D |
| 07:11.16 | nevyn | toddles off to expand production filesystems. |
| 07:11.33 | nevyn | 900GB just isn't big enough anymore... |
| 07:12.34 | mrfoobar | how about 5 TB? |
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| 07:12.58 | fireba11 | i had a friend complaining their 25TB temp space was full ^^ |
| 07:13.07 | mrfoobar | i could fill that up |
| 07:13.20 | mrfoobar | with WAREZ |
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| 07:22.15 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:22.38 | nevyn | problem was someone expanded one of the filesystems by 50G but not the other two clustered copies |
| 07:23.44 | fireba11 | hum |
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| 07:26.22 | nevyn | so I bought a portable usb drive today. It came with software. this annoyed and confused me. |
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| 07:27.55 | nevyn | how is it ok for a device for storage to have stuff in it already |
| 07:28.34 | fireba11 | nevyn: that seems to be a trend .. they usually got some windows backup tools or so on there |
| 07:28.37 | nevyn | imagine recieving a fridge and opening the door to find food in it and a note saying none of this food is perisable but the food you should put in the fridge is perishable... |
| 07:28.41 | fireba11 | hell knows why |
| 07:28.45 | nevyn | fireba11: this is stabby |
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| 07:29.32 | craigevil | nevyn: U3? |
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| 07:29.38 | nevyn | craigevil: Lacie |
| 07:29.44 | fireba11 | craigevil: that is for USB-sticks |
| 07:29.51 | nevyn | craigevil: the U3 software is also stabby |
| 07:30.08 | nevyn | the u3 software is a SPECIAL kind of stabby |
| 07:30.10 | fireba11 | nevyn: yes, but it's actually convenient if you have windows |
| 07:30.18 | nevyn | no it's not. |
| 07:30.25 | losher | nevyn: read about the bluebird stuff on LG dvd drives. Basically they put adware on the drive that tries to install itself... |
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| 07:30.49 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 07:30.56 | craigevil | spyware comes preinstalled these days |
| 07:31.07 | nevyn | fireba11: just because I buy some widget from you doesn't mean you should imply that it's ok for you to install software on my computer |
| 07:31.13 | fireba11 | craigevil: you mean windows? :-) |
| 07:31.20 | craigevil | yes for windows |
| 07:31.34 | fireba11 | nevyn: at least u3-usb-sticks are clearly labeled as such |
| 07:31.36 | craigevil | does anyone know how you can get alt+F2 to work in lxde? like it does in kde |
| 07:31.49 | nevyn | fireba11: the u3 stuff is removable. |
| 07:31.55 | nevyn | (with custom windows tools) |
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| 07:32.44 | mrfoobar | there is a bug in my AGP slot |
| 07:32.52 | mrfoobar | there is literally a bug in it :D |
| 07:32.54 | unreal-dude | kill it |
| 07:33.00 | mrfoobar | its dead |
| 07:33.12 | unreal-dude | so then what? |
| 07:33.20 | mrfoobar | so its pretty funny |
| 07:33.39 | mrfoobar | a bug shorting out the pins |
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| 07:36.02 | losher | mrfoobar: http://www.neystadt.org/john/humor/Bugs-Origin.htm |
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| 07:36.29 | mrfoobar | hehe yea :) |
| 07:36.36 | suji | hi |
| 07:36.44 | mrfoobar | i got oldsch00l bug |
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| 07:37.57 | suji | I'm starting to learn create debian package, i follow the steps here http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/package.htm, but i dn't know how to create control file |
| 07:38.07 | suji | any one know please help me... |
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| 07:38.36 | bloker | Hello! |
| 07:39.06 | filePeter | Hi. |
| 07:39.48 | salahuddin | suji: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.txt |
| 07:40.32 | craigevil | !maint-guide |
| 07:40.32 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 07:40.41 | bloker | One question... What processor family there select for the Core i7 on the linux kernel? (sorry for my english) |
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| 07:44.06 | suji | salahuddin: thankq:) |
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| 07:44.34 | suji | dpkg:thankq:) |
| 07:44.34 | dpkg | suji: bitte |
| 07:45.16 | suji | dpkg: ? bitte |
| 07:45.16 | dpkg | suji: i haven't a clue |
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| 07:45.32 | craigevil | ! tell suji about package basics |
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| 07:50.36 | tweaker25 | [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462 |
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| 07:51.48 | tweaker25 | [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462 |
| 07:52.01 | scream_ | ban this fscker already |
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| 07:52.19 | angel_ | how I am able to find the IP address for all access points via my router? |
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| 07:52.37 | craigevil | !ops tweaker25 spamming |
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| 07:52.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: tweaker25 spamming |
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| 07:52.49 | yehezkel | 66.131.110.19hum |
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| 08:00.09 | angel_ | is there a command to display all available IPs in a network? |
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| 08:00.59 | R1ck | you could ping-sweep the network using a portscanner tool such as nmap |
| 08:01.07 | petemc | angel_: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 08:01.21 | petemc | change as appropriate |
| 08:01.24 | R1ck | however, not getting a ping reply does not mean the IP is free |
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| 08:01.42 | R1ck | the host or device might choose to ignore pings |
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| 08:03.29 | salahuddin | suji: Just search in google for package basics to learn, "hello world" type thing, later read the main reference. |
| 08:03.46 | suji | salahuddin: ok |
| 08:04.47 | salahuddin | suji: another thing, open any deb file and see what is its inside, this will help you to understand what is present generally in the end product. |
| 08:05.46 | owen1 | i see 'rc' in dpkg -l. is there a way to stop showing it? what does it mean? |
| 08:06.34 | suji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.05 | angel_ | petemc: It works now , but there are only a few ips listed on the terminal, actually I have lost one of my access point ip , and I couldn't find the ip via the router web application |
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| 08:12.22 | write2copy | hello everyone, does anyone have any experience with clonezilla? |
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| 08:16.06 | bsod2 | hi i'm having problems with my X, under lenny it only runs under vesa, and after upgrading to unstable it doent even do that |
| 08:16.41 | craigevil | why did you upgrade to unstable? and what video card? |
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| 08:18.34 | bsod2 | my videocard is ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 (i'm on a laptop) |
| 08:19.34 | bsod2 | i upgraded to unstable because i develop using boost 1.38 which is only in unstable, and the latest glade (which is also only under unstable) |
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| 08:20.05 | bsod2 | i tried to download all boost 1.38 packages from the website but it is hell with all dependencies et |
| 08:20.08 | bsod2 | *etc |
| 08:20.21 | bsod2 | and with gtkmm its even worse |
| 08:20.23 | craigevil | bsod2: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 08:20.27 | azeem | bsod2: try apt-get next time |
| 08:20.56 | rvalles | I think they did drop support @ propietary |
| 08:20.59 | rvalles | for those old chips |
| 08:21.08 | rvalles | <!> As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, support of chipsets prior to the r600 series has been dropped.1 -> indeed |
| 08:21.11 | mjt | what's the (preferred) way in debian to set various parameters in sysfs? Like, for example, /sys/block/md$FOO/md/stripe_cache_size, or readahead values for disks etc? |
| 08:21.24 | rvalles | I think 9600 is r300, tho I might be wrong. |
| 08:21.35 | bsod2 | its r350 |
| 08:21.39 | bsod2 | darn |
| 08:22.04 | rvalles | free "xf86-video-ati" should work. |
| 08:22.10 | rvalles | if it doesn't, file a bug |
| 08:22.31 | bsod2 | thanks rvalles, i'll try that |
| 08:22.36 | mjt | r350 is supported since long time |
| 08:22.53 | bsod2 | yes it worked great under ubuntu i had for a long time |
| 08:23.29 | craigevil | should work you might need the firmware-linux package |
| 08:24.03 | bsod2 | i have that on my usb stick :) |
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| 08:31.03 | salahuddin | suji: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html check this might help |
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| 08:33.19 | arussel | I am using backup-manager, I can save directories but the my set up for BM_PIPE_* doesn't save anything. I can't see why (-v is not very talkative) |
| 08:33.22 | arussel | any ideas ? |
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| 08:45.53 | Gachl | is there no support channel for dancer-ircd somewhere? :( |
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| 08:47.34 | mquin | Gachl: highly unlikely - dancer is deeply depracated |
| 08:48.42 | mquin | you might luck on on finding someone with clue in #hyperion |
| 08:49.14 | write2copy | does anyone by any chance have any experience with clonezilla? |
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| 08:55.58 | visof | what should i add to /etc/fstab to can "cut, copy" to mounted fat32 partition ? |
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| 08:56.27 | visof | /dev/hda5 /mnt/here vfat r w 0 0 , that what i know |
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| 08:57.03 | visof | but i think i should add something else to be able "cut, copy" ? |
| 08:57.12 | visof | umak= i can't remember |
| 08:57.48 | craigevil | umask=000,utf8 is whats on the vfat partition i have but i havent a clue what its for |
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| 09:00.04 | simonrvn | !vfatrw |
| 09:00.05 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 09:00.28 | simonrvn | visof, craigevil ^^ |
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| 09:00.46 | simonrvn | you mean mv, cp ... |
| 09:02.11 | craigevil | simonrvn: thanks its the crappy dell restore partition i just havent got around to removing it |
| 09:02.14 | visof | simonrvn i'm using gnome |
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| 09:04.04 | sloW` | http://www.squiby.net/level/461319 |
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| 09:06.51 | owen1 | what's the login manager for xfce? |
| 09:07.03 | owen1 | and how do i change to another login manager? |
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| 09:09.37 | craigevil | dpkg-reconfigure gdm and pick the one you want kdm/gdm/xdm/slim, of course you have to have a different one installed |
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| 09:11.32 | nsadmin | owen1: as can see from the response, you have a lot of dms, xdm, kdm, gdm... the dm is "display manager" |
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| 09:12.29 | owen1 | i don't have gdm, i'll install it. thanks |
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| 09:13.28 | nsadmin | probably you want xdm |
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| 09:14.40 | nsadmin | gdm is mostly for gnome, kdm for kde |
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| 09:15.18 | nsadmin | xdm for user-executed .xsession |
| 09:15.33 | owen1 | ok. installing xdm |
| 09:16.27 | owen1 | i chose slim. can i run 'sudo login'? |
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| 09:16.55 | owen1 | is there a command to logout and login again? |
| 09:17.13 | R1ck | yeah, logout |
| 09:17.17 | owen1 | ok |
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| 09:20.08 | owen1 | bash: logout: not login shell: use `exit' |
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| 09:20.23 | owen1 | oh. i know... |
| 09:20.30 | owen1 | i need to clse x |
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| 09:21.32 | owen1 | after logout i still saw the text-based login. i think i need to uncomment something. |
| 09:21.38 | owen1 | don't remember where. |
| 09:22.04 | mrfoobar | i made a backup of my system disk to another disk with: rsync -avxH / /media/NewHD |
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| 09:22.13 | mrfoobar | now when i boot to the newHD it won't boot |
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| 09:22.25 | craigevil | owen1: you may have to kill whatever dm you were using then start slim |
| 09:22.29 | mrfoobar | it just says stuff like "Read only filesystem" "Mount: only root can do that" |
| 09:22.32 | mrfoobar | then it gets stuck |
| 09:22.42 | owen1 | i think it's here vim /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 09:22.43 | mrfoobar | what the heck is wrong? |
| 09:23.05 | owen1 | craigevil: i didn't use any |
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| 09:23.35 | owen1 | maybe i need to reboot? |
| 09:23.41 | craigevil | owen1: thats what the dpkg-reconfigure was for, what dm were you using? try as root /etc/init.d/xdm stop then /etc/init.d/slim start |
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| 09:23.47 | mrfoobar | !backuå |
| 09:23.49 | mrfoobar | !backup |
| 09:23.49 | dpkg | backup is, like, something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1> |
| 09:24.09 | owen1 | craigevil: i just installed xdm. |
| 09:24.14 | nsadmin | no, pretty much the only thing you need to reboot for is differen OS or different kernel |
| 09:24.20 | owen1 | craigevil: never run dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 09:24.33 | craigevil | owen1: so what did you have before gdm/kdm? |
| 09:24.53 | owen1 | craigevil: nothing. text-based login |
| 09:25.20 | mrfoobar | how do you change system disk? |
| 09:25.31 | craigevil | ok so what dm are you wanting to use ? xdm or slim |
| 09:25.37 | owen1 | slim |
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| 09:25.56 | craigevil | then as root do /etc/init.d/slim start and see what happens |
| 09:26.04 | owen1 | ok |
| 09:27.01 | owen1 | btw, i see /usr/bin/slim in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 09:28.00 | craigevil | owen1: it would normally start at boot but you can start it manually without rebooting |
| 09:30.06 | owen1 | ok it's working. how come it didn't give me awesome as an aption (f1) |
| 09:30.26 | owen1 | i had xfce/blackbox/openbox/ and others |
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| 09:35.15 | craigevil | owen1: edit /etc/slim.conf and make sure it has startxfce4 on the sessions line |
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| 09:35.33 | craigevil | opps sorry awesome |
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| 09:36.11 | craigevil | sessions default,awesome, startlxde,startxfce4,openbox,ion3,icewm,wmaker,blackbox < it should look something like that |
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| 09:37.47 | owen1 | craigevil: let me see |
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| 09:43.33 | owen1 | works! i had all kind of fancy stuff in .xinitrc. can i use the same syntax in slim.conf? |
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| 09:44.36 | sly007 | Hello, I want to know which package installed webfs as a dependency on my system, can I know that? |
| 09:45.01 | mjt | apt-get remove webfs |
| 09:45.07 | mjt | it'll ask first |
| 09:45.10 | mjt | and show deps |
| 09:46.04 | nsadmin | !depends webfs |
| 09:46.12 | dpkg | webfs: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
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| 09:46.19 | mjt | that'd be rdepends |
| 09:46.31 | nsadmin | !rdepends webfs |
| 09:46.32 | mjt | but he's asking about his system |
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| 09:46.48 | nsadmin | that might be too long of a list |
| 09:46.48 | mjt | rdepends will show all pkgs which depends on a given one |
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| 09:47.07 | mjt | not the package which pulled webfs on his system |
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| 09:49.40 | themill | "aptitude why webfs" will try to answer that question |
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| 09:51.53 | owen1 | i used to run conky from .xinitrc. now with slim .xinitrc is not being executed. what is the replacement to .xinitrc? is it the slim.conf? |
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| 09:53.56 | craigevil | owen1: take a look at http://slim.berlios.de/ |
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| 09:54.17 | owen1 | thanks |
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| 10:00.52 | richardcavell | If I do sudo modprobe -r appletouch && sudo modprobe appletouch, could that ever cause harm to the user? Regardless of whether the person has appletouch kernel modules installed? |
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| 10:05.54 | owen1 | craigevil: i read the documentation and also the slim.conf file itself but not sure what to change. i know it's related to this line |
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| 10:06.11 | owen1 | craigevil: login_cmd exec /bin/bash -login /etc/X11/Xsession %session |
| 10:06.26 | edoreld | How can I install a perl module? e.g: Net::IP |
| 10:07.03 | craigevil | owen1: sorry i am not sure how to do what you want i just start conky after i login to lxde |
| 10:07.10 | edoreld | nvm |
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| 10:09.23 | owen1 | craigevil: i want to start a script autostart.sh |
| 10:09.40 | owen1 | (inside i start conky and feh) |
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| 10:15.30 | Shtl | I am Getting this error http://pastebin.com/m1be715a0 when i restart squid, i installed gui for squid, GADMIN-SQUID to configure squid, can any one help me please?? |
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| 10:20.40 | OpenTokix | Shtl: sounds like you wrote a config thats newer then the squid binary |
| 10:21.23 | OpenTokix | Squid configuration directive incoming_icp_average |
| 10:21.27 | OpenTokix | Available in: 3.1 3.0 2.7 3.HEAD 2.HEAD 2.6 |
| 10:21.27 | OpenTokix | Available in: 3.1 3.0 2.7 3.HEAD 2.HEAD 2.6 |
| 10:21.31 | OpenTokix | ups, sorry |
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| 10:22.17 | OpenTokix | should be avalible in both lenny and sid, I dont have any etch-machine |
| 10:22.41 | Shtl | i am on lenny itself |
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| 10:22.57 | OpenTokix | ok, then it's should be 2.7 |
| 10:23.02 | Shtl | which version of squid i have to install |
| 10:23.19 | Shtl | yes i have installed 2.7 only |
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| 10:24.22 | Shtl | OpenTokix: gadmin-squid is the right application for squid gui??? |
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| 10:28.06 | debianit1 | Hi, does any boddy know why Squeeze is still using 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 10:28.38 | OpenTokix | Shtl: I dont know, I just edit the configfile manually |
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| 10:29.21 | Shtl | OpenTokix: do u suggest me any GUI supported proxies for lenny?? |
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| 10:32.30 | craigevil | debianit1: if you need a newer kernel just install the 2.6.30 from sid |
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| 10:34.48 | OpenTokix | Shtl: I dont do gui's |
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| 10:35.14 | OpenTokix | debianit1: probably not, but it will be a good while before squeeze is stable, so the question is very much an academical one. |
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| 10:37.31 | ukl | hello. I ran into the dbus-configure issue with a missing /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper. I'm kind of confused about bug reports I found as they suggested the issue was solved but I didn't find out how. |
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| 10:38.12 | debianit1 | craigevil: ok, thanks, I was just courious. |
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| 10:38.33 | debianit1 | OpenTokix: thanks also. |
| 10:38.49 | OpenTokix | debianit1: it is very simple to roll your own kernel to |
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| 10:43.09 | craigevil | debianit1: if you want a fast up to date kernel you might want to try http://liquorix.net/ |
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| 10:44.37 | bobinabottle | is something wring at my end or is debian.org down? |
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| 10:44.55 | bobinabottle | apt-get seems to have stopped working |
| 10:45.01 | NickDeNeger | down here to |
| 10:45.14 | NickDeNeger | no not down... very laggy xD |
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| 10:50.15 | arcsky | hi how can i from a terminal increase the privilige time any suggestions? |
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| 10:51.38 | craigevil | bobinabottle: try a different mirror, or just wait a while |
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| 10:54.40 | Shtl | i have removed squid completely but still i can see the file /etc/squid/squid.conf file, how to clean completely and install freshly??? |
| 10:54.42 | bobinabottle | craigevil: i don't even seem to be able to access debian.org from a web browser |
| 10:55.45 | hark_ | Shtl: purge it |
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| 10:56.02 | craigevil | i keep a couple of debian mirrors in my sources.list if one doesnt work i just comment it and uncomment a different one |
| 10:56.05 | Shtl | hark_: how to do that??? |
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| 10:56.30 | hark_ | Shtl: aptitude purge squid |
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| 10:57.08 | nsadmin | craigevil: I like m4 for that :) |
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| 10:58.01 | hark | nsadmin: you're crazy |
| 10:58.35 | nsadmin | so sue me... it's convenient... |
| 10:58.37 | TheInfinity | hello ... do you know a way to prevent dnsmasq flooding syslog? perhaps by an own log or just by not logging "Jul 16 12:35:45 sun dnsmasq[2352]: DHCPACK(eth0) 192.168.1.4 00:0c:29:f5:9a:86 haumea" |
| 10:59.14 | nsadmin | I happen to have a very nice sources.list.m4 :P |
| 10:59.26 | hark | nsadmin: pastebin it :) |
| 11:00.18 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1496896 |
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| 11:01.11 | nsadmin | it's startign to suffer from addonitis but it's still nice |
| 11:01.39 | themill | *blink* |
| 11:01.43 | hark | haha awesome |
| 11:02.24 | hark | !love m4 |
| 11:02.24 | dpkg | makes love to m4, caressing m4's hair, whispering sweet nothings in m4's ear... |
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| 11:02.44 | superlinux | hello |
| 11:02.57 | nsadmin | you just have to be careful when you make a new sources.list because it's way too easy to m4 sources.list.m4 > sources.list.m4 |
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| 11:03.13 | superlinux | i am looking for a IPTV application other than livestation |
| 11:03.20 | JyZyXEL | wait what the hell |
| 11:03.27 | JyZyXEL | is /var/cache/apt important? |
| 11:03.34 | nsadmin | yes |
| 11:03.38 | nsadmin | why? |
| 11:03.42 | JyZyXEL | well god damnit i thought it was temp |
| 11:03.45 | superlinux | any suggestions? |
| 11:04.08 | nsadmin | it's mostly just the packages you already installed |
| 11:04.25 | JyZyXEL | i didn't take it from the old HD |
| 11:04.46 | superlinux | JyZyXEL, i'd rather usually backup this folder |
| 11:04.46 | themill | If it's in /var/cache it should be temporary. |
| 11:04.53 | nsadmin | quick, chase the garbage truck down! |
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| 11:04.58 | hark | JyZyXEL: it's ok, no need to orry about it |
| 11:05.07 | JyZyXEL | apt-get is now broken |
| 11:05.11 | JyZyXEL | root@gateway:~# apt-get update |
| 11:05.13 | JyZyXEL | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. |
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| 11:05.21 | themill | JyZyXEL: so create the directory |
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| 11:05.41 | superlinux | so? any IPTV app for linux? |
| 11:05.44 | nsadmin | so make archives and partial |
| 11:05.52 | JyZyXEL | themill: how |
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| 11:06.01 | nsadmin | man mkdir :) |
| 11:06.04 | themill | htf do you think? |
| 11:06.08 | JyZyXEL | mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/cache/apt/archives/partial': No such file or directory |
| 11:06.17 | themill | *sigh* |
| 11:06.29 | nsadmin | cd /var/cache/apt |
| 11:06.32 | nsadmin | ls |
| 11:06.38 | nsadmin | archives there? |
| 11:06.40 | JyZyXEL | bah |
| 11:06.54 | themill | the -p option to mkdir might be enlightening |
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| 11:07.29 | nsadmin | or at least somewhat edumacashconal... |
| 11:08.05 | JyZyXEL | im having some doubts if the system will work correctly after rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* |
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| 11:08.36 | TiMiDo | !mingw |
| 11:08.36 | dpkg | mingw is probably better than cygwin. |
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| 11:08.50 | nsadmin | !better |
| 11:08.51 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 11:09.10 | Wazzzaaa | Hi, I've installed munin and it seems to run correct (every 5 mins). But the graph images are not generated. Any ideas? |
| 11:09.10 | nsadmin | EXPOSES the contradiction!! :) |
| 11:09.19 | JyZyXEL | oops i forgot to take the whole /var/cache |
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| 11:09.33 | azeem | JyZyXEL: "to take"? |
| 11:09.38 | yik | Hey. Is there a way to view package changelogs? I'm on Lenny stable and, as expected, you get updates from time to time. I'd like to see what exactly the new package does and what the old doesn't (bug fixes, newer upstream version?, change in the package itself but nothing functional?) |
| 11:09.38 | JyZyXEL | well i excluded it |
| 11:09.50 | azeem | yik: see apt-listchanges |
| 11:09.54 | yik | Thanks! |
| 11:09.56 | JyZyXEL | i thought the program would be wise enough to create a new cache |
| 11:09.58 | JyZyXEL | damnit |
| 11:10.00 | JyZyXEL | their not |
| 11:10.02 | nsadmin | how hard would it be to get it? |
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| 11:10.06 | yik | I skimmed apt-cache man page but nothing there. Thanks alot, azeem. |
| 11:10.14 | JyZyXEL | guess ill dig it out from the old HD |
| 11:10.33 | azeem | JyZyXEL: what exactly is the problem? |
| 11:10.53 | JyZyXEL | azeem: well apt-get is givin me shit about removing it |
| 11:10.59 | azeem | what is "it"? |
| 11:11.02 | JyZyXEL | /usr/bin/mandb: can't create index cache directory /var/cache/man: Permission denied |
| 11:11.06 | JyZyXEL | var/cache/* |
| 11:11.20 | azeem | I don't think apt-get cares about /var/cache/man |
| 11:11.41 | JyZyXEL | Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 11:11.44 | JyZyXEL | that step does |
| 11:11.45 | nsadmin | oh, damn, you hosed yourself... I think you'll have to go get that stuff from the other drive |
| 11:12.03 | themill | JyZyXEL: try to take fewer lines to actually say anything. The reason azeem can't work out what you're on about is because he hasn't spent 5 minutes picking out individual details from each three-word line you have typed |
| 11:12.04 | azeem | JyZyXEL: did you remove /var/cache as well? |
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| 11:12.27 | mjt | heh |
| 11:12.45 | nsadmin | themill: |
| 11:12.47 | nsadmin | that's a good |
| 11:12.52 | JyZyXEL | whose great idea was to name a place for important files like that |
| 11:12.54 | nsadmin | point |
| 11:13.03 | JyZyXEL | i saw cache and alot of space so i excluded it |
| 11:13.09 | azeem | JyZyXEL: 13:09 < azeem> JyZyXEL: did you remove /var/cache as well? |
| 11:13.23 | JyZyXEL | azeem: no |
| 11:13.38 | azeem | maybe the permissions are bad then? |
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| 11:13.49 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 11:13.49 | nsadmin | I think the perms didn't copy correctly |
| 11:13.55 | JyZyXEL | what are the correct perms? |
| 11:14.00 | azeem | try reinstalling base-files |
| 11:14.22 | nsadmin | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 94 2008-12-14 05:51 /var/cache |
| 11:14.44 | JyZyXEL | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2009-07-16 14:08 cache |
| 11:15.13 | azeem | 4.0K looks ... weird |
| 11:15.16 | themill | something like: "dlocate /var/cache| cut -f1 -d: | sort -u | xargs aptitude install" might help. |
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| 11:16.24 | JyZyXEL | im taking the /var/cache from the old HD |
| 11:16.44 | JyZyXEL | but its probably gonna be hard to transfer over the network |
| 11:16.56 | JyZyXEL | the permissions are gonna get so scrwed |
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| 11:17.55 | JyZyXEL | its starting to look like im gonna be doing a complete reinstall soon |
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| 11:20.37 | JyZyXEL | maybe: sudo rsync -avxH --progress /media/OldHD/var/cache/ root@gateway:/var/cache/ |
| 11:20.55 | JyZyXEL | and cross fingers |
| 11:20.58 | nsadmin | you could try that |
| 11:21.13 | nsadmin | but do it soonish |
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| 11:21.32 | JyZyXEL | doing it already |
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| 11:22.02 | JyZyXEL | its already old and unsynced |
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| 11:23.15 | JyZyXEL | hmm looks like its works |
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| 11:29.21 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL now, how much stuff is in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 11:30.49 | pipingcats | How do I tell a process I start to keep running even after I close its terminal? |
| 11:31.11 | amphi | nohup or use screen |
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| 11:31.21 | pipingcats | amphi: Thanks |
| 11:31.58 | amphi | pipingcats: use screen if you'll want to reattach it to a term later; nohup doesn't let you do that as far as I know |
| 11:33.11 | pipingcats | Alright, I'll check it out; thanks |
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| 11:34.53 | aliceinwire | how i can pass from kde3 to kde4? |
| 11:34.56 | catphish | can someone tell me where the console to output the init boot messages is set, when my machine boots i am seeing the kernel messages, then after a long pause, a login prompt, but nothing in between |
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| 11:39.29 | obcecado | catphish: /var/log/dmesg ? |
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| 11:41.20 | catphish | obcecado: I am seeing the kernel messages, what i'm missing are the init / service messages |
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| 11:45.34 | craigevil | aliceinwire: very carefully, easiest way is to just remove kde3 then upgrade to testing then install kde4 , along with a lot of praying |
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| 11:49.06 | yurikoles | how to fix ntfs on linux |
| 11:49.48 | yurikoles | ? ntfsprogs sucks |
| 11:50.39 | Wazzzaaa | apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 11:50.45 | Wazzzaaa | i guess |
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| 11:50.53 | Wazzzaaa | or google ntfs-3g |
| 11:51.02 | yurikoles | and so? |
| 11:51.03 | craigevil | !ntfs-3g |
| 11:51.03 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 11:51.23 | yurikoles | i need to fix it |
| 11:51.25 | catphish | that's a cool robot |
| 11:51.34 | yurikoles | i allready have ntfs-3g |
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| 11:52.56 | pseubodot | has gnome-network-manager been deprecated by gnome-network-admin ? |
| 11:53.09 | azeem | pseubodot: no |
| 11:53.22 | azeem | if you are talking about network-manager-gnome, that is |
| 11:53.28 | pseubodot | affirmative. |
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| 11:54.09 | Wazzzaaa | ah w8 |
| 11:54.13 | pseubodot | so why do they conflict? |
| 11:54.34 | pseubodot | gnome-network-admin cw network-manager-gnome, but not vice-versa. |
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| 11:55.11 | kripz | Is it possible to run debian in a virtual machine, then to transfer it to a real computer? Will the dramatic hardware hcange breack it? |
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| 11:56.32 | margiolas | hello i need a client for jabber and google talk video calls any proposion? |
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| 12:15.12 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it possible to use another fs than vfat on a usb key ? |
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| 12:15.59 | remur_030 | Hello, does insserv launch it's scripts in parallel? as far as I could tell from the bootprocess it didn't, does debian have such a start system yet? |
| 12:16.06 | nsadmin | lord_rob: sure, you shoudl be able to use anything you want |
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| 12:17.02 | craigevil | remur_030: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
| 12:17.31 | remur_030 | craigevil: will do, thanks |
| 12:17.53 | lord_rob | thanks nsadmin it's because every key is formated in vfat and I don't want to waste money trying if it works if I repartition it :) |
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| 12:19.06 | yik | yes, it will work, lord_rob :) But beware that some operating systems don't support multiple partitions on USB keys (and most probably not your linux filesystem) |
| 12:19.10 | nsadmin | dunno if partitioning will work on a key |
| 12:19.11 | Clarisssamay | heya :) |
| 12:19.19 | yik | But if all you use is Linux or BSD or Solaris that will work |
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| 12:19.26 | yik | nsadmin: it works just fine. |
| 12:19.46 | nsadmin | once tried to partition a floppy... |
| 12:20.00 | nsadmin | it worked, but the floppy driver wouldn't see the partitins |
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| 12:20.19 | yik | if you need it to be Microsoft Windows compatible nsadmin you can have the first partition vfat and any other partitions as your linux fs |
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| 12:20.33 | Clarisssamay | I upgraded to debian 5.0 from 4.0 and also removed some unneccessary services, mainly web and mail - But somehow I cannot get rid of exim :-/ |
| 12:21.08 | nsadmin | debian likes you to have a mail server |
| 12:21.16 | nsadmin | but you have choices |
| 12:21.28 | pseubodot | lord_rob: I've done that a few times (reformat / repartition with one partition), worked fine on my Linux boxen. If you don't use Windows, it's not an issue |
| 12:21.46 | pseubodot | pseubodot: if it is an issue, there are ext2/ext3 filesystem drivers avaialble for windows. |
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| 12:21.57 | Clarisssamay | do I have the chocie to not have a mail-server? :) |
| 12:22.04 | yik | Windows 2000 and up can access the first partition of usb flash drive only, and only if its fat |
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| 12:22.09 | pseubodot | pseubodot: wouldn't try multiple partitions on a USB key tho |
| 12:22.14 | Clarisssamay | I want to use this debian install as a host for vserver-sources |
| 12:22.22 | yik | I've used usb key with multiple |
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| 12:22.29 | blind|melon|chit | Hello :> Does anyone know of a way offhand that I could tell aptitude to install all packages matching the pattern libqt4-*? |
| 12:22.47 | Clarisssamay | wait .. not using aptitude but apt-get remove exim4-config kinda helped .... ? |
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| 12:22.58 | nsadmin | no, because the system mails to root and all... but you can install a mail server that's not so bloated/complex |
| 12:23.02 | yik | blind|melon|chit: apt-cache search libqt4-|awk '{print $1}'|xargs apt-get install |
| 12:23.09 | yik | that command seems to work |
| 12:23.10 | lord_rob | pseubodot: as I've eraseded my boot sector on /dev/sda1 (windows 2003) by mistake, no I don't use windows and it's not that a problem ;) |
| 12:23.40 | blind|melon|chit | yik: Hmm...I'll have to give that a try and make sense of it as soon as I have time to ;> Thanks |
| 12:24.03 | yik | blind|melon|chit: you can try it one part at a time. first try: apt-get search libqt4- and see what it outputs |
| 12:24.07 | lord_rob | but I should be more careful when using dd, and sleep a bit more before using it |
| 12:24.18 | Clarisssamay | nsadmin: what would you recommend? |
| 12:24.18 | yik | then append the |awk '{print $1}' command to see it ouputs only package names |
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| 12:25.04 | flower | how to zip a folder? |
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| 12:25.15 | flower | to folder.zip |
| 12:25.37 | yik | flower: try zip -r directory.zip directory/ |
| 12:25.37 | nirupama | is there any way in debian to boot an application example a game automatically from pen drive |
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| 12:26.18 | yik | nirupama: with custom scripts but.. that is a security hazard :( |
| 12:26.20 | nirupama | I dont want my kins to run the application that i take home to click and open.It should just run automatically as soon as usb is mounted |
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| 12:26.45 | nirupama | yik, I want to use that for my purpose so I dont mind for security |
| 12:26.52 | nirupama | yik, any help? |
| 12:27.04 | yik | it is possible.. are you good with unix scripting? |
| 12:27.16 | nirupama | yik, yes |
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| 12:27.24 | yik | well, you need 1) automounter 2) run a script when the usb is mounted that runs the executable |
| 12:27.38 | nirupama | yik, but how to start?also is there no linux or debian tool available to do that |
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| 12:28.10 | yik | I've never heard of such a program, but it is not too difficult to make one yourself |
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| 12:28.21 | yik | just a few tweaks to config files and a two line script |
| 12:28.39 | nirupama | yik, my device gets mounted automatically |
| 12:28.49 | yik | oh, that's good |
| 12:28.54 | nirupama | yik, so i just need to write 2 lines to run the executable |
| 12:28.57 | Clarisssamay | well, lets see if exim4-light will do the job ... |
| 12:29.17 | yik | nirupama for a very simple solution you could have the script running in the background all the time and then see every 5 seconds if the game executable is there |
| 12:29.19 | nirupama | Clarisssamay, what does exim4-light do here? |
| 12:29.29 | Clarisssamay | xim configuration error in line 32 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
| 12:29.29 | Clarisssamay | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.54 | Clarisssamay | nirupama: I hope not much .. all I wanna have is a "clean" system that doesnt bother me |
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| 12:30.15 | nirupama | yik, oh ok |
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| 12:30.23 | TPC | hello, if tehre is a package that isn't in debian but I think should be |
| 12:30.31 | Clarisssamay | *sighs and updates that config file* |
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| 12:30.40 | yik | like this, nirupama: #!/bin/bash exec=/path/to/usb/executable while true; do [ -x $exec ] && $exec ; sleep 5; done |
| 12:30.40 | TPC | if I package it, is there somewhere you can submit it and have it included? |
| 12:31.11 | yik | nirupama: save that to a script file then run it with nohup bash script.sh to put it in the background |
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| 12:31.27 | nirupama | yik, ok |
| 12:31.33 | yik | do you understand what it does? |
| 12:32.00 | nirupama | yik, yes in the program you have mentioned where the usb is mounted and if its "1" |
| 12:32.18 | nirupama | then it has to execute the progam available in exec |
| 12:32.21 | yik | yes |
| 12:32.27 | nirupama | and give output as exec |
| 12:32.34 | nirupama | and give output of exec |
| 12:32.48 | nirupama | every 5 secs that should be done |
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| 12:34.06 | farhad_hf_ | hi all |
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| 12:34.31 | farhad_hf_ | how can i install sesame2 on debian sid ? |
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| 12:36.31 | Clarisssamay | ok -so this debian system is brand new .. cpi idle at 99.9%, no waiting time, nothing .. yet the load is pretty much 1 |
| 12:36.43 | Clarisssamay | is this a debian specific thing? |
| 12:36.50 | ranix | what load |
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| 12:37.08 | Clarisssamay | the load you see in top |
| 12:37.32 | ranix | load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.06 |
| 12:37.51 | Clarisssamay | hmm ... ok its dropping now veeery slowly .. sorry maybe fals alarm :) |
| 12:38.13 | ranix | if it's a fresh boot, it was just working fairly hard |
| 12:38.23 | Clarisssamay | comming from gentoo, debian feels bloated :D .. sorry not meant to flame |
| 12:38.35 | ranix | perhaps you installed too much stuff? |
| 12:38.51 | Clarisssamay | nope .. deinstalled |
| 12:38.53 | ranix | a standard install of debian doesn't install anything except basic gnu utilities and bash |
| 12:39.04 | Clarisssamay | well ok my hopster set it up so ... |
| 12:39.08 | Clarisssamay | -p |
| 12:39.17 | ranix | ok I can tell you came from gentoo |
| 12:39.18 | nsadmin | what's a hopster? |
| 12:39.20 | ranix | it's okay |
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| 12:39.22 | Clarisssamay | so anyone here has experience with vserver.sources and debian? |
| 12:39.24 | ranix | you'll get over it eventually |
| 12:39.34 | Clarisssamay | :) |
| 12:39.37 | ranix | !anyone |
| 12:39.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:39.52 | Clarisssamay | aaah clever bot :) |
| 12:40.06 | cahoot | a bit bloated perhaps |
| 12:40.11 | nsadmin | more like common problem... |
| 12:40.13 | Clarisssamay | Do you guys know something like _the_ guide to linux-vserver sources and debian? |
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| 12:41.02 | ranix | I suggest generally using xen, qemu, or virtualbox for your virtualization needs |
| 12:41.18 | ranix | the three cover the entire spectrum between each other |
| 12:41.44 | Clarisssamay | I dont like the overhead and compelxibility of either of the three |
| 12:46.54 | Clarisssamay | And I dont need foreign-OS or different kernel version virtualizsation |
| 12:46.54 | ranix | then you're misinformed in some way |
| 12:46.54 | Clarisssamay | Hey cmon ;) .. can any of those "share" the librarys they use in the RAM? |
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| 12:46.54 | visof | hello |
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| 12:46.54 | visof | i added /dev/hda5 /mnt/caveman vfat default, user, uid=1000, gid=1000, umask=002 0 0 |
| 12:46.54 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.55 | visof | and when i do mount -a i got [mntent]: line 8 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 12:46.55 | Clarisssamay | If I setup 10 vservers hosts and all of them run apache .. the apache still is only once in memory |
| 12:46.55 | visof | what is the wrong ? |
| 12:46.55 | Clarisssamay | anyway - I asked to early, its all here http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian |
| 12:46.55 | cahoot | visof: defualts? |
| 12:46.55 | cahoot | meh |
| 12:46.55 | Shtl | when enabling proxy in clients machine's browser its asking Address and port no, which one i have to give, is it the server's addr and port no?? |
| 12:46.55 | cahoot | defaults |
| 12:46.56 | visof | cahoot what do you mean ? |
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| 12:47.46 | cahoot | visof: s/default/defaults/ perhaps |
| 12:49.22 | visof | cahoot the same |
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| 12:52.06 | pythonicguy | i have a problem. my system connected to Ethernet and eth0 active. But i am unable to access internet |
| 12:52.23 | pythonicguy | what might be wrong? |
| 12:52.25 | remur_030 | pythonicguy: welcome to the internet, you suceeded =) |
| 12:52.25 | ranix | pythonicguy: dns? |
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| 12:53.03 | pythonicguy | remur_030, i like that joke. but it is from another pc :-) |
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| 12:53.25 | remur_030 | pythonicguy: try pinging 209.85.129.147 , it's german google |
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| 12:53.57 | pythonicguy | remur_030, 100%packet loss |
| 12:54.30 | remur_030 | pythonicguy: route? |
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| 12:54.56 | jpinx | pythonicguy: try mtr |
| 12:55.11 | pythonicguy | jpinx, mtr? |
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| 12:55.28 | jpinx | package that does traceroute |
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| 12:56.04 | farhad_hf_ | is there any repository for installing sesame2 ? |
| 12:56.07 | jpinx | pythonicguy: though I'd suggest your dns might be wobbly |
| 12:56.22 | jpinx | judd: versions sesame2 |
| 12:56.23 | judd | jpinx: sesame2 -- |
| 12:56.32 | jpinx | farhad_hf_: it would appear not |
| 12:56.39 | pythonicguy | jpinx: how to change it? |
| 12:56.52 | jpinx | pythonicguy: change what? |
| 12:57.05 | jpinx | pythonicguy: your dns is probably set in your router |
| 12:57.16 | pythonicguy | ohh let me check |
| 12:57.58 | jpinx | farhad_hf_: do aptitude search sesame and see if anything shows |
| 12:59.06 | ranix | if you can't ping german google's ip address, your problem probably isn't dns |
| 12:59.13 | farhad_hf_ | jpinx: it does not show anything but python-sesame |
| 12:59.40 | jpinx | farhad_hf_: yep - then I suggest you look for their website |
| 12:59.41 | farhad_hf_ | it seems that i have to compile sesame :P |
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| 13:01.47 | farhad_hf_ | jpinx: ok , thx |
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| 13:02.20 | jpinx | farhad_hf_: np |
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| 13:03.15 | zmen01 | i like to process a file in linu commandline, and like to have each SPACE that occurs between each word being replaced by a linebreak, or line return, so that every word is on a new line |
| 13:03.21 | zmen01 | would this be doable with sed? |
| 13:03.27 | zmen01 | linux* |
| 13:03.58 | themill | just use "tr" for that. |
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| 13:05.03 | nirupama | yik, why does this does not work.Just I was googling and found [autorun] |
| 13:05.03 | nirupama | open=start.exe |
| 13:05.03 | nirupama | action=Run My Program |
| 13:05.03 | nirupama | icon=start.exe |
| 13:05.03 | nirupama | label=My Program |
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| 13:05.23 | nirupama | yik, why does that not work I have named it as autorun.inf |
| 13:06.03 | zmen01 | themill, how could i do this? |
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| 13:06.55 | asg | nirupama: ask #windows |
| 13:07.08 | nirupama | asg, but that is for linux |
| 13:07.19 | nirupama | asg, I have seen that in a linux user forum |
| 13:07.20 | asg | in what context? |
| 13:07.32 | asg | !wayttd nirupama |
| 13:07.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, nirupama? |
| 13:07.35 | nirupama | asg, to run an application from usb pen drive |
| 13:08.25 | asg | nirupama: run start.exe in linux when you put a usb stick in? |
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| 13:35.35 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:35.36 | dpkg | <stew> computer: debian does have a driver for your wireless, it doesn't have the non-free firmware, though <computer> how much is it? |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | hides |
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| 13:35.57 | _abbenormal | hey guys |
| 13:36.08 | _abbenormal | whats the hd-media disk |
| 13:36.23 | abrotman | for installing from your HD |
| 13:36.25 | abrotman | !hd-media |
| 13:36.25 | dpkg | To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
| 13:36.42 | _abbenormal | ok thanks |
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| 13:37.05 | _abbenormal | is there a daily image that has the 2.6.30 kernel on it now |
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| 13:37.32 | _abbenormal | sid maybe |
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| 13:37.48 | abrotman | _abbenormal: what's wrong with the .30 from lenny-backports on your lenny machine ?> |
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| 13:39.34 | _abbenormal | let me check had an issue with it loading stops at dev filling and then goes to bog soft boot error with cpu 0 something like that |
| 13:39.43 | stew | omgwtflol |
| 13:39.49 | _abbenormal | bog = bug |
| 13:40.03 | abrotman | stew: what did you charge him? |
| 13:40.29 | stew | abrotman: i traded him for a copy of skype |
| 13:40.36 | abrotman | awesome deal! |
| 13:40.37 | _abbenormal | im the master of my own issues i think im special |
| 13:40.45 | abrotman | _abbenormal: pretty sure it was working .. wasn't it? |
| 13:40.58 | abrotman | _abbenormal: aren't you the guy that kept trying to compile and it wouldn't boot ? |
| 13:41.00 | _abbenormal | ill have to go back |
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| 13:42.04 | _abbenormal | yes there is a issue with venilla kernels and the nvidia forcedeth netowrks with the chipset mcp79 |
| 13:42.24 | _abbenormal | yes there is a issue with vanilla kernels and the nvidia forcedeth netowrks with the chipset mcp79 |
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| 13:42.58 | _abbenormal | as you can see i know how to kill the english language |
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| 13:43.24 | _abbenormal | my typing skills are at best minimal but i dont give up easy |
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| 13:45.05 | Shtl | I enabled proxy in client machine, by default all the site access are denied, how to enable that with squid proxy???? |
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| 13:48.37 | LemensTS | hi, i have etch and someone put a 2.6.28.7 kernel on this. I was trying to install something and it needed the kernel-headers, so i downloaded linux-2.6.28.7 to /usr/src/ and tried again, same problem...."You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.28.7 kernel installed."...... |
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| 13:48.59 | LemensTS | thinking i have to tell linux where this src is at? |
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| 13:53.46 | Siegfried | Hi, with a program output like this IP:port i want to keep just the IP, like 10.10.10.10:11010 i want to keep 10.10.10.10, what's the best command? |
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| 13:54.19 | abrotman | awk or cut |
| 13:54.49 | McL0VIN | i was doing aptitude dovecot and i saw these errors http://pastebin.ca/1497020 |
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| 13:55.34 | stew | McL0VIN: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 13:58.44 | salahuddin | McL0VIN: apt-get -f install |
| 13:59.48 | abrotman | why? |
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| 14:02.03 | stew | abrotman: i don't know why |
| 14:02.26 | abrotman | i wasn't asking you! .. i was asking salahuddin |
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| 14:02.51 | stew | oh |
| 14:02.52 | althaser | when I aptitude update I got this Ignoring *mirror*_debian_dists_sid_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages.Index.Diff any clue ? |
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| 14:06.20 | Clarisssamay | how would you: add virtual interfaces to your debian system - Add "iface lo1 inet loopback" to /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 14:06.48 | arcsky | Linux does it give priorites to I/O or locked by the CPU process? |
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| 14:06.58 | ranix | Clarisssamay: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:07.01 | ranix | Clarisssamay: man interfaces |
| 14:07.12 | Aspin | Is there a howto so I can use my remote dedicated server to serve torrents? |
| 14:07.51 | ranix | Aspin: do you mean download/seed torrents, or act as a tracker |
| 14:08.18 | Aspin | download and seed yeah, having them on my pc slows me right down |
| 14:08.22 | ranix | http://www.torrentflux.com/ |
| 14:08.34 | Aspin | ty |
| 14:08.35 | ranix | also check out the torrentflux firefox plugin |
| 14:08.40 | Clarisssamay | would it be wise tpo use the local loopback or add a second eth interface? |
| 14:08.56 | ranix | it's mostly php, that torrentflux. Uses bittornado |
| 14:09.04 | ranix | wonderful program, I use it religiously |
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| 14:09.42 | Aspin | ranix: but no gui with the remote, that would make it a bit harder I guess |
| 14:09.59 | ranix | what? |
| 14:10.29 | Aspin | I would have to set it up via commandline etc |
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| 14:10.39 | ranix | that's the only way to set it up |
| 14:10.43 | ranix | it's a php script |
| 14:10.53 | Aspin | ok, will take a look |
| 14:11.09 | ranix | you need a small sql server (mysql or postgres or something) installed, and have to run a quick script to set up the tables |
| 14:11.14 | Aspin | is there a apt-get command for install etc |
| 14:11.15 | ranix | there are howtos on the site |
| 14:11.22 | Aspin | ok |
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| 14:18.23 | hark | installing an sql server for torrents? very nice.. |
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| 14:21.06 | Aspin | hark: is that not wise? |
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| 14:22.02 | Aspin | I basically just want to host a few torrents I have on my remote rather than my local pc |
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| 14:23.31 | McL0VIN | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall samba and i am still getting same error as in http://pastebin.ca/1497020 |
| 14:24.24 | stew | McL0VIN: you need to do it not with samba, but with whatever package owns /etc/samba/smb.conf, which is likely to be samba-common |
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| 14:25.18 | McL0VIN | stew: how would i know what is owned by /etc/samba/samba.conf? |
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| 14:26.04 | stew | McL0VIN: try "dpkg -S /etc/samba/smb.conf" |
| 14:26.05 | jdahm | is the version of pdftex in testing completely broken? None of my tex files come out correctly |
| 14:26.15 | stew | jdahm: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:26.45 | FuzzyBrain | Hello, I use Lenny. I ran upgrade recently & 'search' in Synaptic appears broken. Also, Opera refuses to connect to net while Iceweasel & Epiphany work |
| 14:27.20 | McL0VIN | dpkg: /etc/samba/smb_orig.conf not found |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, McL0VIN |
| 14:27.33 | McL0VIN | 'dpkg: /etc/samba/smb_orig.conf not found' |
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| 14:27.57 | FuzzyBrain | Is 'search' in Synaptic working for rest of you? |
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| 14:29.34 | stew | McL0VIN: try reinstalling samba.common with confmiss |
| 14:29.55 | abrotman | samba-common ? |
| 14:30.07 | stew | yes |
| 14:30.14 | stew | McL0VIN: another way you could try to figure out which package owns it is something like "echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | xargs grep smb.conf" |
| 14:30.18 | McL0VIN | still same thing |
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| 14:30.56 | stew | McL0VIN: does /etc/samba/smb.conf exist? |
| 14:31.02 | stew | McL0VIN: does /etc/samba/smb_orig.conf? |
| 14:31.25 | McL0VIN | stew: no smb.conf but there is smb_orig.conf |
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| 14:31.50 | stew | McL0VIN: cp /etc/samba/smb_orig.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf && dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:33.19 | Bombo | where is the nvidia legacy support gone? had it in etch but its gone in lenny? there is just nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-686 but i need support for older gpu |
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| 14:34.06 | McL0VIN | stew: that went well |
| 14:34.22 | abrotman | is that sarcasm? |
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| 14:34.30 | jdahm | stew: it's not just a bug like that, it should be stable, it's just any document I seem to throw at it every single line is says has an error |
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| 14:34.55 | McL0VIN | stew: so know how do i check if there is an error |
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| 14:35.16 | stew | jdahm: if it was completely broken, i'd expect a bug to be filed. if it is completely broken and there is no bug filed, please file one |
| 14:35.27 | stew | McL0VIN: look at /var/log/samba/ ? |
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| 14:35.38 | jdahm | Bombo: you can't just use nv? |
| 14:36.25 | Bombo | jdahm: i need glx |
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| 14:37.02 | jdahm | Bombo: even on my very old cards either nvidia or nv work, are you sure you need a strange "legacy" version? |
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| 14:38.35 | Bombo | jdahm: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV10DDR [GeForce 256 DDR] |
| 14:38.45 | McL0VIN | stew: no errors, thank you so much mate |
| 14:38.52 | stew | McL0VIN: you're welcome |
| 14:40.03 | Bombo | "NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce DDR GPU installed in this system is supported through the NVIDIA Legacy drivers. The 1.0--783590824 NVIDIA driver will ignore this GPU. NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!" |
| 14:40.12 | Bombo | this is the legacy in lenny |
| 14:40.43 | jdahm | hrm |
| 14:41.00 | jdahm | well I've never dealt with those drivers, I assume you can get them through the nvidia site though |
| 14:41.04 | jdahm | let me see |
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| 14:43.49 | Bombo | probably NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.11-pkg1.run |
| 14:44.08 | stew | you don't want that crap |
| 14:44.09 | jdahm | yeah it;s here http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html you want the 71.86 for your arch |
| 14:44.09 | Bombo | crap i need to compile them and they need kernel source |
| 14:44.18 | stew | !why nvidia installer sucks |
| 14:44.19 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>. |
| 14:44.21 | jdahm | Bombo: you just need the kernel headers |
| 14:44.23 | craigevil | ! Nvidia |
| 14:44.24 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 14:44.24 | Bombo | stew: what do i want then? |
| 14:45.03 | jdahm | stew: I have always used the .run.sh nvidia gives and it has always worked exellently for me |
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| 14:45.07 | craigevil | nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx |
| 14:45.09 | stew | Bombo: you either want to not use the crap non-free crap at all, or you want to use the non-free crap software in the form that debian provides |
| 14:45.20 | stew | jdahm: see "why nvidia installer sucks" |
| 14:45.40 | craigevil | jdahm: yes it does until you either update your kernel or xorg updates |
| 14:45.54 | jdahm | stew: craigevil I update my kernel regularly, and always recompile the driver |
| 14:45.55 | Bombo | stew: debian doesnt provide. |
| 14:45.55 | jdahm | no problems |
| 14:45.56 | stew | Bombo: if the version you need isn't in lenny, use a -source package from sid |
| 14:45.57 | dimedo | can anyone tell me why my i5300 wifi adapter has a 32 byte HWaddr address shown in ifconfig, shouldn't that be 12 byte?? |
| 14:46.05 | jdahm | of course, I don't use the debian system for my kernel either :P |
| 14:46.07 | stew | Bombo: sure it does |
| 14:46.17 | stew | Bombo: http://packages.debian.org/nvidia |
| 14:46.27 | craigevil | Bomb yes it does , nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx |
| 14:46.58 | Bombo | hmm |
| 14:47.05 | justin | dimedo: neither? |
| 14:47.18 | jdahm | Bombo: either way, I do both my kernel and nvidia drivers not the "debian way" and never had a problem |
| 14:47.47 | Bombo | Package nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:47.56 | jdahm | is really happy with his gtx260 for gpgpu research he just installed yesterday |
| 14:48.04 | craigevil | jdahm: and you knwo what you are doing, using the nvidia way is not supported in #debian |
| 14:48.07 | rgr | jdahm: I heard that loads of problems. It will end in disaster. Trust me. |
| 14:48.16 | craigevil | s/knwo/know |
| 14:48.16 | stew | Bombo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:48.37 | stew | Bombo: or use a -source package from sid |
| 14:48.46 | stew | judd: versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source |
| 14:48.46 | judd | stew: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source -- sid/non-free: 71.86.07-1 |
| 14:49.03 | rgr | hmm. that does not parse. jdahm : using nvidia installer will end in trouble. And certain types here then wont help you. Better to stick to the debian way convoluted and confusing though it might be. |
| 14:49.19 | _abbenormal | so stew just get the deb from sid and install them for the nvida |
| 14:49.27 | Codex_ | what's your opinion of getting more libs which rely on opengl acceleration? |
| 14:49.29 | craigevil | how is m-a convoluted |
| 14:49.34 | Bombo | You have searched for packages that names contain nvidia in suite(s) lenny-backports, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 14:49.37 | Bombo | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 14:49.43 | craigevil | !ssb |
| 14:49.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 14:49.49 | rgr | craigevil: maybe its got cleaner. I know I had hell of a problem with it. |
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| 14:50.04 | craigevil | its like 3 commands |
| 14:50.14 | Bombo | !how to get sid source of nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source |
| 14:50.16 | rgr | well, it was not like 3 commands a way back. |
| 14:50.25 | rgr | as I say, maybe its easier now. |
| 14:50.28 | craigevil | !tell Bombo about ssb |
| 14:50.33 | hark | you don't need ssb for that |
| 14:50.39 | stew | yeah, you don't |
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| 14:50.51 | stew | just dpkg -i the -source package and m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx |
| 14:51.00 | craigevil | ah crap no you dont its a source package to begin with |
| 14:51.28 | cusco | does vsftpd allows root to login? |
| 14:51.29 | stew | the xorg driver might need backporting though |
| 14:51.34 | cusco | by default? |
| 14:51.44 | stew | judd: depends nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx --release sid |
| 14:51.45 | judd | stew: nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx -- Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-71.86.07, x11-common, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libx11-6, libxext6, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1 |
| 14:51.52 | stew | actually I guess it does't |
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| 14:52.40 | cusco | I wouldn't think so neither, is there a way to force it? |
| 14:52.50 | stew | force what? |
| 14:53.03 | cusco | force vsftpd to allow root login |
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| 14:53.38 | stew | yes |
| 14:54.48 | cusco | how? |
| 14:54.54 | stew | (but its a horrible idea) |
| 14:55.17 | cusco | I am awayre |
| 14:55.19 | cusco | aware |
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| 15:05.30 | stew | !flw |
| 15:05.31 | dpkg | <woodcomp> soo, i ran chmod -R 700 / <woodcomp> wasnt so smart.. <woodcomp> any idea how i can fix this? <ml|> woodcomp: recover from backup <woodcomp> cant say i have any of those |
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| 15:07.05 | LemensTS | http://pastebin.com/m14412ef8 does this all look ok? It shows a 2.6.18 kernel in one spot, but another it says 2.6.28....and is a k7 a i686? |
| 15:07.16 | LemensTS | thought amd was different, i only have used intel |
| 15:07.48 | stew | LemensTS: yes, k7 is a i686 |
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| 15:08.38 | LemensTS | having problems modprobing a module..was thinking it was because i made it with the wrong linux-headers or something.... |
| 15:09.02 | LemensTS | uname -r shows 2.6.28.7, but that dpkg -l | grep kernel shows the 2.6-k7 |
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| 15:09.12 | stew | LemensTS: what is the problem "unknown module format" or somehting? |
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| 15:09.36 | LemensTS | invalid module format |
| 15:09.44 | stew | !invalid module format |
| 15:09.44 | dpkg | invalid module format is probably the error you get when you try to load a kernel module which was compiled with a incompatibily different version of gcc from the version used to compiled the kernel. "cat /proc/version" will tell you what version of gcc was used to compile the kernel |
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| 15:10.31 | LemensTS | stew: yea i checked that, in my paste bin i did gcc --version and dmesg|head |
| 15:10.50 | bluethundr_ | I am having difficulty setting up amanda backup. I thought my config was right but when I go to label the "tapes" I get errors |
| 15:10.52 | bluethundr_ | http://pastebin.ca/1497137 |
| 15:10.58 | LemensTS | i used the that gcc to make the module |
| 15:11.03 | bluethundr_ | http://pastebin.ca/1497138 |
| 15:11.06 | stew | LemensTS: note that its not important what version of gcc you currently have installed, but the version of gcc used to compile the module you are tyring to load |
| 15:11.09 | stew | ok |
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| 15:11.26 | stew | LemensTS: i've never heard of this error being caused by anythong other than wrong gcc version |
| 15:12.15 | arcsky | What is the benefit of a clone a thread over creating a and executing a process? |
| 15:13.20 | R1ck | hm, anyone know if there are any mysql-server-5.1 debs available ? |
| 15:13.53 | LemensTS | stew: doing a make linux26 of the module now....before it gave me an error and i just had to do make. not sure why its letting me now...ill post back if i still have problems after that |
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| 15:15.03 | _abbenormal | R1ck, try google |
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| 15:15.09 | R1ck | i did |
| 15:15.21 | _abbenormal | hum ive found a lot |
| 15:15.32 | R1ck | oh I overlooked it |
| 15:15.35 | R1ck | sorry |
| 15:15.47 | R1ck | guess because it said 'experimental' |
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| 15:16.03 | _abbenormal | it has to start somewhere |
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| 15:17.04 | R1ck | is there information somewhere about when it is suspected to go to testing? |
| 15:19.25 | edbian | Many of my friends ask me how to set their resolution when the gnome GUI doesn't offer the correct (usually high enough) options. If xrandr doesn't list the desired resolution is there any way to obtain it? Would that be a driver issue? Does xrandr -q show the resolutions possible by the video card? |
| 15:20.08 | stew | R1ck: see #450835 |
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| 15:21.01 | stew | edbian: if xrandr -q doesn't list the desired resolution, you may need to alter the xorg config |
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| 15:21.52 | craigevil | R1ck: you can try the packages from dotdeb.org but they are not usually as good as official debian packages and aren't supported |
| 15:22.00 | Aspin | is there a torrentflux package for etch, I can see one for lenny but not etch |
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| 15:23.01 | brah | How do I encode a file |
| 15:23.05 | brah | so it looks something like |
| 15:23.07 | brah | "PGh0bWw+CiAgPGhlYWQ+CiAgPC9oZWFkPgogIDxib2R5PgogICAgPHA+VGhpcyBpcyB0aGUg |
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| 15:23.07 | brah | " |
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| 15:24.20 | edbian | stew: suppose xorg.conf just says "configured monitor", "Configured Video Device" and similar |
| 15:24.41 | trumpen | brah, try uuencode file |
| 15:24.53 | stew | edbian: then you might try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" that stuff isn't expected to be in there |
| 15:24.53 | edbian | stew: Can I just add things to it like resolutions? What program auto fills xorg.conf in this way? The video driver or does X to it to itself? |
| 15:25.06 | stew | brah: that appears to be base64 encoded, "man base64" |
| 15:25.27 | edbian | stew: It is that way on my ubuntu install and my debian install. |
| 15:25.32 | stew | edbian: "X -configure" fills xorg.conf that way, though that stuff isn't expected to be there anymore |
| 15:25.38 | brah | Yes, it's base 64 |
| 15:25.44 | edbian | stew: What should be there? |
| 15:25.48 | stew | edbian: it wouldn't be that way on a current debian install |
| 15:25.56 | stew | edbian: much less information |
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| 15:26.56 | edbian | stew: Less stuff then "Configured Video Device" and "Default Screen" etc etc? |
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| 15:27.22 | stew | edbian: can you show us your xorg.conf? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:27.47 | edbian | stew: Yeah gimmie a second |
| 15:28.24 | stew | edbian: you can also try wihtout an xorg.conf at all. it should, in most cases, no longer be necessary |
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| 15:28.39 | edbian | stew: Just so you know. I don't currently have a problem (I don't think :) ) but I want to understand how to set the resolution / configure X manually so that I can help others. I am working on pastebin right now. |
| 15:28.57 | edbian | stew: Where does the system get the information if there is no xorg.conf? |
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| 15:29.09 | keith4 | X can autodetect most of that |
| 15:29.13 | E-bola | How can i find out where a package came from? I got 2 servers with the same content of sources for apt. Yet one server has a package installed (acording to aptitude) that the other server doesnt apear to have |
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| 15:29.23 | stew | edbian: it probes the video card for available modes |
| 15:29.36 | stew | edbian: you can't |
| 15:29.41 | stew | edbian: err, not you |
| 15:29.43 | stew | E-bola: you can't |
| 15:29.57 | E-bola | stew: hmm no way to trace it at all? |
| 15:30.07 | brah | I'm trying to mail a PDF |
| 15:30.18 | stew | E-bola: this information isn't stored on your system anywhere |
| 15:30.20 | E-bola | its the dcc-client and dcc-commons packages |
| 15:30.22 | brah | I use application/octet-stream type and base64 encoding |
| 15:30.28 | E-bola | i think it was removed in lenny |
| 15:30.32 | E-bola | maybe its a leftover from etch |
| 15:30.34 | brah | I figured doing "base64 file.pdf" would work |
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| 15:30.39 | brah | But I receive the file as 'noname' |
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| 15:31.11 | stew | E-bola: you could use apt-show-versions or apt-cache policy packagename to see where the package is available from NOW but you can't determine where it came from at install time |
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| 15:31.57 | E-bola | hmm |
| 15:32.56 | E-bola | stew: apt-cache policy doesnt apear to list anything usefull? |
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| 15:33.11 | E-bola | but i guess its cuz its NOT availeble atm |
| 15:33.30 | stew | judd: versions dcc-client |
| 15:33.30 | judd | stew: dcc-client -- |
| 15:33.34 | Dunge | Is this a correct channel to ask about how to setup a kernel/initrd/deb filesystem or I will get redirected somewhere else again? |
| 15:33.37 | stew | not from debian, it seems |
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| 15:34.00 | stew | Dunge: this is the wrong place for ubuntu support |
| 15:34.05 | E-bola | it sued to be |
| 15:34.07 | E-bola | used even |
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| 15:34.38 | Dunge | stew : I don't want to ask nothing about ubuntu at all |
| 15:34.47 | brah | It was a missing header :)... Content-Disposition:attachment; filename="blah.pdf" |
| 15:35.12 | stew | Dunge: if you are asking about how to setup a kernel and initrd in debian, then yes, this is the right place |
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| 15:35.19 | Dunge | let me explain to situation: I need help to setup a linux distrib. We previously used debian etch arm. The device booted on the sdcard with 4 partitions: (1. MBR 2. Kernel 3. InitRS 4. ext3 etch distrib). I then wanted to switch to armel (eabi) for faster speed. |
| 15:35.27 | E-bola | it even has a /usr/share/doc/dcc-common/README.Debian |
| 15:35.36 | Dunge | I have a lenny/armel distribution to extract into partition4 and finally after a while managed to re-compile the kernel enabling eabi/armv4t/maverik-crunch fix. My question is now how to use that zImage (or vmlinux) file and dump it on my 2nd partition instead of using dd as before. Also, does the initrd need to be recompiled with eabi support too??? |
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| 15:37.02 | stew | !info dcc-common sarge |
| 15:37.16 | stew | !info dcc-common woody |
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| 15:37.24 | stew | 11:37 <dpkg> Package 'dcc-common' does not exist. |
| 15:37.37 | stew | E-bola: so if it came from debian, it would have to have been at least 8 years old or somehting |
| 15:37.50 | debayan | !info debian |
| 15:37.50 | stew | !+info dcc-common potato |
| 15:37.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 15:37.57 | dpkg | Package 'dcc-common' does not exist. |
| 15:38.01 | \amethyst | stew: it was in etch-m68k |
| 15:38.03 | E-bola | dcc (1.2.74-4) unstable; urgency=low |
| 15:38.07 | stew | ahh |
| 15:38.07 | E-bola | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.10 | E-bola | its onyl 3 years ago |
| 15:38.15 | E-bola | and its not from m68k |
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| 15:39.01 | stew | E-bola: what does "dpkg -s dcc-common" say for "Source:" |
| 15:39.26 | FuzzyBrain | It's an unrelated question, but how do I check list of OPs in a channel? |
| 15:39.41 | E-bola | stew: says this: http://pastebin.com/m2da6ae32 |
| 15:39.48 | stew | FuzzyBrain: "/msg chanserv access ##channel list" will show them as having the 0 flag |
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| 15:40.09 | E-bola | this server was installed with etch orignally, so it cant be too old |
| 15:40.18 | stew | E-bola: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dcc.html |
| 15:40.19 | FuzzyBrain | stew: thank you, sir1 |
| 15:40.30 | ranix | also you could ask dpkg about ops |
| 15:40.37 | stew | !dbugs 475088 |
| 15:40.40 | ranix | /msg dpkg ops harbl |
| 15:40.41 | dpkg | DONE:#475088:N[release.debian.org] RM: dcc/stable -- ROST; Upstream requests removal, security issues, upstream went non-free (); Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:12:02 UTC [] |
| 15:40.55 | E-bola | so i guess it was removed in 2008 |
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| 15:41.02 | stew | !dbugs 464161 |
| 15:41.06 | Bombo | ok i got nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source_71.86.07-1_i386.deb did apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source, then it gets nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx 71.86.07-1, but it just builds nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx and -dev and -source but no nvidia-kernel |
| 15:41.06 | dpkg | DONE:#464161:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: dcc -- RoQA; unfixable security issues (); Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:24:02 UTC [] |
| 15:41.11 | Bombo | i dont get it |
| 15:41.30 | Dunge | stew : I know you probably think I'm worthless because of that ubuntu/debian package mixup yesterday, but this time my question is valid isn't it? a bit of help would be appreciated |
| 15:41.39 | E-bola | I guess ile just grap a tarball |
| 15:41.50 | stew | Dunge: seems valid |
| 15:42.04 | edbian | Sorry about the wait |
| 15:42.06 | edbian | http://paste.debian.net/41961/ |
| 15:42.16 | stew | Bombo: aptitude install build-essental module-assistant ; m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx |
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| 15:42.53 | stew | edbian: oh, yeah, that's what I was expecting, there are no modes in there, that's the stripped down version |
| 15:42.59 | hark | Bombo: it's in contrib |
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| 15:43.23 | stew | edbian: if you want an explicit xorg.conf, you can run "X -configure" which will get you a very explicit one, which you could edit to make the modes you want available (provided they are possible) |
| 15:43.26 | edbian | stew: Please explain. Is it correct? |
| 15:43.31 | stew | edbian: its correct |
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| 15:43.59 | FuzzyBrain | edbian: I have a nice nVidia guide, do you want me to upload it somewhere? |
| 15:44.01 | edbian | stew: So this was written by X-configure and the entries were built from probing my video card + monitor? |
| 15:44.12 | edbian | FuzzyBrain: Sure. Give me a link! :) |
| 15:44.35 | Dunge | sigh.... any link to a guide explaining how to use a kernel image and make a bootable disk with it similar to how I was doing it previously? |
| 15:44.45 | stew | edbian: no, it was written by "dpkg --configure" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and since nothing it specified in that config, your video card would be probbed at runtime |
| 15:45.03 | FuzzyBrain | edbian: http://rapidshare.com/files/256502215/Nvidia_howto.pdf.html |
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| 15:45.15 | FuzzyBrain | ^ that's the only thing, that worked for me ^ |
| 15:45.29 | edbian | stew: ic ic. So when xorg.conf doesn't hold the answers X11 probes my hardware automatically |
| 15:45.44 | stew | edbian: yes |
| 15:45.55 | edbian | stew: Can I just add to it as it without running X -configure ? |
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| 15:46.01 | stew | edbian: yes |
| 15:46.25 | stew | edbian: X -configure is just a handy tool to probe your hardware for you and write an explicit config |
| 15:47.07 | Arrowmaster | how can i completely remove a lvm2 volume group? installer failed and i want to restart from the beginning but it keeps finding a volume group from a previous try |
| 15:47.41 | edbian | stew: Thank you for your help! |
| 15:48.34 | edbian | stew: 1 last question. I have met many people (via IRC) that need to set their resolution to something higher than the ones reported by xrandr -q. Is there anything they can do? |
| 15:48.59 | edbian | stew: They always say "I could get somethingXsomething under windows. Why can't I in linux?? |
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| 15:49.20 | stew | edbian: they can edit xorg.conf |
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| 15:51.58 | PepperBob | hi all |
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| 15:53.15 | PepperBob | i'm running etch and need to upgrade my postgresql installation from 8.2 to 8.3 - i had thoughts doing everything on the same server - so creating a parallel installation. |
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| 15:54.01 | PepperBob | what happens to binaries from 8.2 - do they got overwritten when installing 8.3? |
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| 15:54.13 | edbian | stew: Editing xorg.conf will make more video modes available? Is xrandr -q not a good tool to use? |
| 15:54.15 | PepperBob | that's what i'm actually not quite sure about. |
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| 15:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | PepperBob, no |
| 15:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | if "binaries" means "debian package" |
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| 15:55.28 | PepperBob | CutMeOwnThroat, i meant things like pg_dump for example |
| 15:55.44 | stew | edbian: it is possible that editing xorg.conf will make modes availalbe that aren't otherwise availalbe when the automatic detection fails to detect possible modes. |
| 15:55.48 | \amethyst | PepperBob: no, they're both around; the |
| 15:56.00 | PepperBob | CutMeOwnThroat, oh hold on! it's just symlinks from /usr/bin to the actual version directory |
| 15:56.03 | stew | edbian: xrandr is an excellent tool for runtime configuration after everything has been properly detected |
| 15:56.20 | edbian | stew: IC. Does xrandr -q report the result of probing the video card only (not the monitor) |
| 15:56.26 | \amethyst | PepperBob: should be symlinks to wrapper scripts, at that |
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| 15:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | PepperBob, right... what I meant is... if you had "binaries" from some ./configure;make;make install around, those might be overwritten |
| 15:57.43 | \amethyst | PepperBob: look in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.*/README.Debian.gz, it describes the 'cluster' system that Debian uses |
| 15:58.32 | stew | edbian: no, it reports the available modes in the x server without probbing anything. the list of availalbe modes in the x server is determined when x starts by looking at the xorg.conf and probing the hardware |
| 15:58.37 | PepperBob | \amethyst, thanks! |
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| 15:58.38 | Bombo | "NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 71.86.07" |
| 15:58.38 | edbian | stew: Thank you again! |
| 15:58.38 | PepperBob | CutMeOwnThroat, oh no, i have deepest trust in the repos :) |
| 15:58.39 | Bombo | finally it worked ;) thx stew |
| 15:58.41 | edbian | stew: You have been extemely knowledgeable and helpful. You are a small part of the reason linux is great! :) |
| 15:58.54 | \amethyst | PepperBob: each major.minor version of postgres has its own data directory and is managed separately |
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| 16:00.04 | edbian | stew: Thank you! |
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| 16:00.25 | PepperBob | \amethyst, yeah i knew that - but i wasn't quite sure about pg_* applications. i thought they where just dropped in /usr/bin - but actually it's wrapped obviously :) |
| 16:00.29 | \amethyst | PepperBob: also man pg_wrapper explains the wrapper scripts |
| 16:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | PepperBob, good for you :) - I was just being cautions with answering, because "binaries" could mean *anything*, right? |
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| 16:01.14 | PepperBob | CutMeOwnThroat, well yeah - i already made a mistake by taking 8.2 from testing once.. now it's entirely removed and my upgrade path to lenny is broken :/ |
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| 16:01.33 | \amethyst | PepperBob: 8.3 is in etch-backports |
| 16:01.57 | PepperBob | \amethyst, right that's my aim for the moment. |
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| 16:02.39 | Arrowmaster | hmm "partman: /dev/mapper/XXXXXX-home is apparently in use by the system: will not make a filesystem here!" during installer, using debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso downloaded yesterday booting from usb stick |
| 16:02.51 | \amethyst | PepperBob: it should be a matter of installing it, dropping the default 8.3 cluster, and upgrading your 8.2 cluster |
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| 16:03.19 | \amethyst | PepperBob: then after some testing you can drop the 8.2 cluster and purge the 8.2 packages |
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| 16:04.24 | PepperBob | \amethyst, you think i should do it on the same machine? i already tested 8.3 on a dev environment.. but the way from live 8.2 -> dev 8.3 -> live 8.3 might take some time.. |
| 16:05.11 | _abbenormal | hey abrotman |
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| 16:05.39 | _abbenormal | this is what i get using the linux-image-2.6.30-1.bpo |
| 16:06.09 | _abbenormal | it starts to load and says waiting to dev to fill |
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| 16:06.14 | Dassu | Ok. |
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| 16:06.45 | Dassu | What was the command for killing Xorg since killall=restart,/etc/init.d/gdm stop=restart |
| 16:06.56 | Dassu | In other words if Xorg Dies it just restarts |
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| 16:07.23 | _abbenormal | then it stops with bug: soft lockup - cpu0 stuck for 61s |
| 16:08.04 | _abbenormal | this is what i d/l linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
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| 16:09.17 | _abbenormal | also fresh install very basic |
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| 16:09.49 | E-bola | Could somebody help me make sure i udnerstand the output of the free command? I am a bit confused about the amount of free space reported, more specifically which value to use. Whats the difference between the one to the right of Mem: and the one to the right of -/+ buffers/cache |
| 16:10.23 | E-bola | I would guess the latter means amount of free space, without including kernel buffers etc? |
| 16:10.53 | macrobat | gdm respawns, doesn't "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" kill it until it's dead? |
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| 16:12.07 | macrobat | maybe there's something to do about it in /etc/inittab |
| 16:12.33 | \amethyst | E-bola: in the first line, 'used' includes disk/page cache |
| 16:12.37 | \amethyst | E-bola: in the second line it does not |
| 16:12.55 | justin | if they formatted it as -buffers/+cache it would make more sense heh |
| 16:13.18 | \amethyst | justin: no, that's not right |
| 16:13.22 | justin | \amethyst: oh? |
| 16:13.22 | less1 | I need to get a look at souce code of "/bin/run-init" included in the initramfs of debian-live-501-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 16:13.32 | justin | -(buffers+cache)? |
| 16:13.38 | \amethyst | justin: 'used' is -buffers and -cache, 'free' is +buffers and +cache |
| 16:13.49 | less1 | aparently, it is executable, where can I find the code responsible for this executable? |
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| 16:14.01 | justin | yeah.. I guess there is no easy way to fit that |
| 16:14.02 | E-bola | Ok, so when trying to set the amount of children processes for a program, how much should i push it? My issue is i want to use as many children processes as the memory allows |
| 16:14.09 | E-bola | but i dont know how much i should leave for os/disk cache? |
| 16:14.28 | justin | E-bola: does your app use the disk? |
| 16:14.36 | justin | E-bola: or does it just spin the cpu all day? |
| 16:14.46 | E-bola | its an antispam gateway |
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| 16:14.52 | E-bola | so its mainly ram/cpu, but does use the disk |
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| 16:15.08 | E-bola | http://pastebin.com/m1cfa7933 |
| 16:15.10 | justin | E-bola: numcpus+1 or so would be a good start |
| 16:15.12 | E-bola | thats how the output looks |
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| 16:15.32 | E-bola | if im reading that correctly, its using allmost 3gb for os cache? |
| 16:15.43 | \amethyst | E-bola: no |
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| 16:16.04 | \amethyst | E-bola: you're using 75 + 687 MiB for buffers and cache |
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| 16:16.26 | BlueG | How can one track down packages installed from another version, say testing on stable, and downgrade selected packages to stable? |
| 16:16.38 | E-bola | \amethyst: where did u get 75 and 687 from? |
| 16:16.39 | \amethyst | E-bola: you're using 2.9 GB *other than* that |
| 16:16.43 | E-bola | ohh there |
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| 16:17.20 | E-bola | \amethyst: so how do i decide if i can use more memory? |
| 16:17.32 | E-bola | no other way than just trying to icnrease number of children and watch swapping? |
| 16:17.41 | \amethyst | E-bola: you can afford to use another 347 MiB or so before the kernel has to start either using swap, or evicting pages from cache |
| 16:18.14 | E-bola | ahh |
| 16:18.23 | \amethyst | E-bola: you can afford about 1 GB or so before you're guaranteed to be using swap because not all the dirty pages fit in RAM |
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| 16:18.40 | BlueG | I think my attempts to build a miro 2 may have screwed up my video... things are all faded to nearly black and white in both vlc and totem (gstreamer) |
| 16:19.44 | E-bola | \amethyst: our monitoring app seems to report the "-/+ buffers/cache:" line's free value as "the amount of free memory" does that make sence you think? |
| 16:20.05 | \amethyst | E-bola: yes, because the cache can be freed at any point (it's just cache) |
| 16:20.22 | E-bola | well its never a good idea not to have any os cache is it? |
| 16:20.39 | E-bola | unless ur reads or completely random i guess |
| 16:20.41 | \amethyst | E-bola: indeed... when you're using all your RAM and there's no room for cache, you will probably see performance suffer |
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| 16:21.07 | \amethyst | E-bola: Linux will typically start using swap *before* freeing all the cache |
| 16:21.31 | E-bola | \amethyst: woudl it be correct to say that i can count on performance not suffering as long as the kernel isnt swapping? |
| 16:21.40 | E-bola | or would it be noticeable beofre that, just because of the reduced cache? |
| 16:22.00 | \amethyst | E-bola: you'd have to experiment to see... it really depends on your I/O workloads |
| 16:22.18 | E-bola | Ya i guess thats prolly the best way |
| 16:22.29 | \amethyst | E-bola: having swap in use isn't a problem... it's having pages actively being swapped in and out |
| 16:22.42 | E-bola | i monitor the time it takes to scan 1 e-mail, so i guess thats the number to watchj, since thats the only performance indicator i care about |
| 16:22.44 | \amethyst | E-bola: which you can watch with vmstat 1 |
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| 16:23.21 | E-bola | ahh cool |
| 16:23.35 | E-bola | really apreciate this, ive always been a tad confused about memory and disk handling in linux to be honest |
| 16:23.57 | \amethyst | E-bola: Linux will swap out dirty but infrequently-used pages (say, data for some daemon that rarely wakes) in favor of clean but frequently used data (cache for a frequently-used daemon) |
| 16:24.20 | \amethyst | E-bola: which is why you will sometimes see swap being used even though there is memory free |
| 16:24.29 | BlueG | video in xine is gray also, but mplayer is still full color... |
| 16:24.32 | E-bola | \amethyst: if you wanted to monitor the amount of swappingh going on, is there anything better to grep than the vmstat output? |
| 16:24.39 | \amethyst | E-bola: 'free' as in the second line of free (including cache) |
| 16:24.39 | E-bola | i mean maybe something that gives an average of sorts |
| 16:25.03 | jpinx | E-bola: there's a thing called swappiness that you can set - can't remember where though |
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| 16:25.05 | BlueG | what do gstreamer, xine, and vlc have ib common, that differs from mplayer? |
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| 16:25.13 | E-bola | lol swappiness :) |
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| 16:25.26 | \amethyst | E-bola: the first line is the average since boot |
| 16:25.33 | jpinx | E-bola: true - honest - I have used it some time ago |
| 16:25.38 | justin | BlueG: what video output are you using in mplayer? |
| 16:26.00 | E-bola | \amethyst: the first line that vmstat outputs? |
| 16:26.04 | \amethyst | E-bola: you can also give vmstat a larger time increment--- vmstat 60 to get an average for every minute |
| 16:26.07 | \amethyst | E-bola: yes |
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| 16:26.29 | \amethyst | E-bola: average si/so since boot is probably zero :) |
| 16:26.31 | BlueG | justin: x11 |
| 16:26.31 | E-bola | \amethyst: but on the system i pastebin's that reports 0 for both si and so, but yet free reported 1m swap in use, how is that possible? |
| 16:26.44 | justin | BlueG: try xv |
| 16:26.46 | \amethyst | E-bola: because something is in swap but hasn't been used much |
| 16:26.54 | \amethyst | E-bola: and isn't being used |
| 16:26.58 | E-bola | but it shouldnt be 0? |
| 16:27.09 | \amethyst | E-bola: average since boot? |
| 16:27.14 | E-bola | ya |
| 16:27.18 | E-bola | or maybe its so small |
| 16:27.22 | E-bola | it just uses 0? |
| 16:27.27 | \amethyst | E-bola: that's one meg of swap divided by however many seconds your machine has been up |
| 16:27.28 | E-bola | but it should be 0.0000002 or something? |
| 16:27.38 | \amethyst | E-bola: it's rounded |
| 16:27.43 | E-bola | ahhh got ya |
| 16:28.20 | McL0VIN | i can't SSH to my box , it is timing out, it was working right before i did aptitude update..but my apache is still working ! |
| 16:29.07 | E-bola | Hmm a somewhat related quetion: In windows there is something called disk time (meaning how big a percentage if time? is the disk busy) its a great indicator for monitoring the load on ur disk |
| 16:29.13 | E-bola | is that possible in linux as well? |
| 16:29.24 | E-bola | I've never ben able to nail that in 5 years of linux admin'ing/monitoring |
| 16:29.27 | \amethyst | E-bola: those si/so columns (by default) have units of KiB / s |
| 16:30.02 | \amethyst | E-bola: iostat, check %iowait |
| 16:30.12 | \amethyst | E-bola: that's the percentage of time the CPU is waiting on I/O |
| 16:30.14 | BlueG | justin: yep, xv is gray in mplayer, and x11 is in color in vlc |
| 16:30.29 | \amethyst | E-bola: oh, I guess that's not the same thing as what you were asking about |
| 16:30.35 | justin | BlueG: have you rebooted at all since you messed this up? |
| 16:30.38 | E-bola | ya its not, not entirely atleast |
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| 16:30.52 | E-bola | Im looking for an indicator that will tell me from 0-100 how busy the disk is |
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| 16:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | McL0VIN, *just* aptitude update? |
| 16:31.08 | justin | BlueG: xv supports things like brightness and saturation, you may have just messed it up with another program and haven't rebooted since then |
| 16:31.09 | McL0VIN | ^^ never mind i think my no-ip.org client died because i was able to login using my dynDNS address |
| 16:31.31 | justin | BlueG: mplayer does too.. try pressing the diffrent keys.. 1/2 3/4 5/6 7/8 |
| 16:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | McL0VIN, aptitude update doesn't do anything with the installed packages - it just updates the available-packages list |
| 16:32.43 | \amethyst | E-bola: iostat has an option for that, checking |
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| 16:33.46 | E-bola | Im not sure linux got anything better than %util |
| 16:34.09 | \amethyst | E-bola: yeah, that's what I was thinking, %util from iostat -x |
| 16:34.31 | E-bola | ya its not really the same, i think the windows counter is more logical |
| 16:34.40 | E-bola | the oposit would be just as good: Disk idle time |
| 16:34.52 | E-bola | meaning the percentage of time during the meassureing interval where the disk is idle |
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| 16:36.14 | E-bola | http://www.performancewiki.com/diskio-monitoring.html that says it pretty fittingly |
| 16:36.45 | fmr | hey, dsmesg give me [ 101.706081] dc395x: eh_abort: Command was waiting some ideas ? |
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| 16:36.58 | _abbenormal | is there a debian netinstall with a 2.6.30 kernel made yet |
| 16:37.04 | fmr | and finally give: [ 130.659856] sr 0:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery, and I'm unable to mount cdrom.. |
| 16:37.37 | jpinx | _abbenormal: install normal and do the upgrade |
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| 16:38.05 | valdyn | E-bola: except that %util is not very useful either |
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| 16:38.13 | BlueG | justin, you're right... adjusting saturation in mplayer fixed vlc using xv too |
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| 16:38.28 | E-bola | valdyn: well its not as usefull as the disk idle time counter in windows |
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| 16:38.36 | BlueG | wonder how I messed that up |
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| 16:39.11 | valdyn | E-bola: you just get shown a value, its not useful in windows, its not useful in linux |
| 16:39.12 | E-bola | Im just anoyed that i dont have any stats/monitoring of the disks going on any of my linux servers |
| 16:39.22 | E-bola | valdyn: its extremely usefull! |
| 16:39.28 | valdyn | E-bola: you just think that |
| 16:39.31 | E-bola | It shows you very clearly how busy ur disk is |
| 16:39.44 | E-bola | then u can investigate further to find out why its busy/how |
| 16:39.52 | gasull | Hi. Is there a way to use easy_install but adding the package to apt? I mean, something like "make checkinstall" does. |
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| 16:39.58 | smallfoot- | join Xorg, cuz the guys cant ever release on time, they always behind schedule |
| 16:40.00 | valdyn | E-bola: disks arent that simple |
| 16:40.00 | E-bola | its simply great for an overview, and unfortunately linux is lacking a similar value to monitor |
| 16:40.12 | valdyn | E-bola: 50% busy disk is not useful in real life |
| 16:40.28 | E-bola | valdyn: its very usefull in reallife, to determine if something might be wrong |
| 16:40.33 | _abbenormal | jpinx, ive tried that and the kernels in the backport and in sid dont like my m/b |
| 16:40.51 | sidux | hi please help me I have to install from usb |
| 16:40.58 | E-bola | ofcourse to monitor a disk fully you need alot more parameters like transactions, queues etc |
| 16:41.09 | burbuja | hi please help me I have to install from usb |
| 16:41.13 | jpinx | _abbenormal: sorry about that - but then you have a different issue |
| 16:41.17 | E-bola | but disk idle time is by far the most usefull to monitor, if u arent going to monitor any other disk parameter |
| 16:41.20 | E-bola | dont you agree? |
| 16:41.40 | jpinx | burbuja: see the install methods in debian.org |
| 16:41.51 | \amethyst | E-bola: I don't know, svctm may be more important |
| 16:41.51 | valdyn | E-bola: it doesnt tell me if i can add a certain workload, so its useless |
| 16:41.54 | _abbenormal | ok then its the m/b |
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| 16:42.12 | E-bola | valdyn: who cares if u can add workloads, if you wanna know u can do simple analyses |
| 16:42.19 | E-bola | it tells u if the workload currently deployed is suffering |
| 16:42.25 | _abbenormal | why would a 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 work fine without issues and a 2.6.28 29 30 all have issues |
| 16:42.37 | \amethyst | E-bola: I though you cared how much spam-checking workload you can add :) |
| 16:42.52 | craigevil | !tell burbuja about usb install |
| 16:42.52 | valdyn | E-bola: %idle doesnt tell me |
| 16:43.16 | valdyn | E-bola: %wa tells me if may processes are waiting for disk |
| 16:43.21 | E-bola | \amethyst: hehe that was for the ram question. I've always had a problem monitoring disks on linux |
| 16:43.28 | valdyn | E-bola: %idle could have my processes waiting for disk |
| 16:43.32 | burbuja | !tell install debian |
| 16:43.43 | E-bola | valdyn: thats wrong, thats how it works in linux, not in windows |
| 16:43.48 | jpinx | !tell burbuja about selftell |
| 16:44.00 | E-bola | the windows disk idle time counter would be 0% if processes where continually waiting |
| 16:44.07 | burbuja | :( |
| 16:44.26 | E-bola | since if proccesses where waiting the disk would be busy all the time |
| 16:44.32 | jpinx | burbuja: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:44.32 | burbuja | jpinx where have I to downlod the image for usb? |
| 16:44.33 | Dassu | Seriosuly guys |
| 16:44.39 | Dassu | Why does Xorg restart ? O_o |
| 16:44.41 | burbuja | help me please |
| 16:44.47 | Dassu | after /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 16:45.33 | burbuja | !tell burbuja about install debian |
| 16:45.47 | Dassu | Fixed it |
| 16:45.59 | rbparten | hello everyone, what do you recommend for a decent GUI for handling wireless connections? |
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| 16:46.12 | jpinx | rbparten: wicd |
| 16:46.16 | rbparten | Thank you |
| 16:46.22 | valdyn | E-bola: maybe you want blktrace, but i still dont think you really understood what %idle is either |
| 16:46.26 | arry11 | hi] |
| 16:46.28 | arry11 | hi |
| 16:46.33 | arry11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.47 | rbparten | jpinx: For some reason I don't have that in my Repos.... |
| 16:46.49 | rbparten | :/ |
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| 16:47.02 | jpinx | rbparten: backports? |
| 16:47.26 | rbparten | Is it in backports? |
| 16:47.34 | jpinx | take a look |
| 16:47.36 | gasull | So, nobody knows how to make apt keep track of python apps installed with easy_install? |
| 16:47.50 | rbparten | sigh, that probably means yes |
| 16:47.54 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:48.04 | jpinx | rbparten: don't expect me to do your work for you |
| 16:48.16 | arry11 | hello to all |
| 16:48.41 | rbparten | jpinx: Forgive me, I don't expect you to spoon feed me, but in general "backports" is something I was taught to avoid (CentOS) |
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| 16:49.11 | jpinx | rbparten: understood - be assured that backports in debian works well |
| 16:49.12 | paxcoder | darnit people, i REALLY don't want every directory I try to open via the GNOME panel to open in filelight |
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| 16:49.31 | jpinx | sends paxcoder a purge |
| 16:49.37 | rbparten | jpinx: Thanks, I will keep that in mind |
| 16:49.51 | rbparten | I have only used Debian for about a week, although I like it's "quickness" |
| 16:49.57 | rbparten | installed well on a T42P |
| 16:49.58 | E-bola | valdyn: jsut read up on blktrace. The problem with all the various numbers in linux is it doesnt give me any min or max values. To be able to output a value which makes sence to graph and which anybody can read it has to be a value between a max and a min so anybody can see if performance is pressed or is fine |
| 16:50.01 | riot | weird. |
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| 16:50.16 | paxcoder | jpinx: Package filelight is not installed, so not removed |
| 16:50.18 | jpinx | rbparten: welcome to debian then :) |
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| 16:50.24 | riot | i have a 486box here with 36Megs of memory and i'm trying to upgrade it (the debian stable on there is about 2 years old) |
| 16:50.40 | jpinx | riot: no X I hope? |
| 16:50.43 | E-bola | valdyn: blktrace might tell me how much data is read/written to a device but it doesnt tell me how big a percentage of the maximal throughput that represents |
| 16:50.51 | valdyn | E-bola: disks are not that simple |
| 16:50.54 | riot | but apt-get update fails with the "mmap ran out of room" problem, though i have configured apt.conf with the appropriate line |
| 16:51.02 | rbparten | jpinx: I thought I would take to debian because rootbsd uses it as their host |
| 16:51.04 | jpinx | !mmap |
| 16:51.04 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 16:51.14 | rbparten | If it is good enough for them, good enough for me |
| 16:51.17 | jpinx | riot: ^^ |
| 16:51.26 | riot | jpinx: hmmm. ok, i'll try some MOAR. |
| 16:51.31 | jpinx | rbparten: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:51.41 | riot | it should work regardless of the 36 megs, right? |
| 16:51.46 | riot | i have enough swap |
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| 16:51.56 | rbparten | jpinx: ? |
| 16:51.57 | valdyn | E-bola: theres no way to accurately measure what % of max some load is, *except* if you can predict the stroke sizes |
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| 16:52.25 | LemensTS | anyone got a guide to install the latest kernel in lenny? |
| 16:52.28 | E-bola | valdyn: well one way is to meassure how often a disk is doing nothing (idle) the bigger a percentage of the time its idle, the less load it has |
| 16:52.30 | jpinx | rbparten: do that command here /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:52.34 | LemensTS | i mean the latest debian kernel |
| 16:52.40 | rbparten | AH, thanks |
| 16:52.47 | E-bola | ofcourse its not perfect, nor scientific, but as i said it gives a great overview/general picture |
| 16:52.58 | jpinx | rbparten: this channel carries a fair amount of info |
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| 16:53.14 | paxcoder | jpinx: didn't solve my problam *has silent tantrum* |
| 16:53.25 | riot | jpinx: nah, doesn't help. i put in 18 megs. Nope |
| 16:53.32 | valdyn | E-bola: windows doesnt know when a disk is idle, it just knows when its not waiting for a disk |
| 16:53.40 | jpinx | sorry paxcoder - I don't use gnome - no idea |
| 16:53.52 | rbparten | Should wicd have a "icon" on the "task bar" for Fluxbox? |
| 16:53.54 | jpinx | paxcoder: try /msg dpkg for mor info |
| 16:54.07 | paxcoder | lol. doubt that'd help |
| 16:54.12 | jpinx | rbparten: not sure - mine does |
| 16:54.18 | rbparten | flux? |
| 16:54.23 | E-bola | valdyn: umm it knows whent he disk is performing an operation, same thing |
| 16:54.40 | E-bola | as in it knows when its ready to perform a new operation |
| 16:54.40 | remur_030 | which script brings up the network interfaces according to /etc/network/interfaces? I take it it's networking |
| 16:54.42 | remur_030 | ? |
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| 16:54.48 | valdyn | E-bola: no its not |
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| 16:55.02 | CodeN1Nj4 | is there a batch id3tag fixer and file renaming software? I know there are id3 tagging tools, but I don't know any of them well enough to know |
| 16:55.09 | valdyn | E-bola: one operation taking x amount of time doesnt mean 2 operations take 2x amount of time |
| 16:55.14 | penguin_ | Using a static IP what files need to be changed to get a connection? |
| 16:55.18 | riot | it always occurs at 53 percent, regardless how large i set the cache-limit |
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| 16:55.41 | E-bola | valdyn: no but it just pulls the disk and checks "are you doing something now?" |
| 16:55.42 | rbparten | jpinx: NICE AP...thanks! |
| 16:55.45 | E-bola | its very very simple |
| 16:56.14 | jpinx | rbparten: np - enjoy |
| 16:56.14 | penguin_ | If I boot into Knoppix, do I just need to change resolve.conf? |
| 16:56.19 | E-bola | look at it like this: meassures over xx seconds, how big a percentage of the xx seconds where the disk led blinking |
| 16:56.28 | E-bola | thats actualy a perfect picture of the value im looking for :) |
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| 16:56.59 | E-bola | if the led is blinking the disk is doping stuff, if not blinking its idle |
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| 16:57.06 | E-bola | THATS the value im lacking in linux |
| 16:57.20 | valdyn | E-bola: run iotop |
| 16:57.52 | penguin_ | Nobody kmos how to connect to internet with Linux? |
| 16:57.54 | E-bola | valdyn: why? |
| 16:58.10 | valdyn | E-bola: because it gives you that value |
| 16:58.15 | valdyn | E-bola: im just argueing its useless |
| 16:58.24 | E-bola | it gives me a value in KB/sec? |
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| 16:58.31 | E-bola | total disk read and write |
| 16:58.35 | valdyn | E-bola: and it %, both |
| 16:58.50 | macrobat | penguin_: ifconfig, then route |
| 16:58.52 | E-bola | hmm not in mine? just apt-get for lenny |
| 16:59.16 | E-bola | it shows % for each process |
| 16:59.20 | E-bola | i need % for each device |
| 16:59.30 | E-bola | i'd even settle for a total for all devices |
| 17:00.12 | jelly | E-bola: sysstat package, iostat? |
| 17:00.23 | macrobat | CodeN1Nj4: there is kid3 for changing tags in a whole folder, maybe it can do even more |
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| 17:00.51 | E-bola | jelly: which value are u considering in iostat? %idle? |
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| 17:02.53 | jelly | E-bola: er... what was the original question again? :-) |
| 17:03.29 | E-bola | jelly: ile sum up :) |
| 17:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 17:04.23 | E-bola | Im looking for 1 value to monitor for each disk on my linux servers. Put shortly im looking for a percentage value showing how idle a disk is. That means as an example: In the past 100 seconds how many of the seconds where the disk busy light turned off |
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| 17:04.40 | E-bola | In windows its a the value you get via the performance counter %disk idle time |
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| 17:06.21 | jelly | E-bola: iostat -x sda 1 -> %util |
| 17:06.43 | E-bola | jelly: thats not the same value |
| 17:06.55 | jelly | E-bola: the same as what? |
| 17:07.03 | E-bola | what i described |
| 17:07.09 | E-bola | atleast thats not how i understand it |
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| 17:07.26 | E-bola | %util : Percentage of CPU time during which I/O requests were issued to the device (bandwidth utilization for the device). Device saturation occurs when this value is close to 100%. |
| 17:07.34 | jelly | E-bola: it is (100% - idle) |
| 17:07.49 | E-bola | But wouldnt it have to be percentage of REAL time? |
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| 17:08.50 | jelly | so integrate the output over time and divide by the total length |
| 17:09.01 | rbparten | penguin_: Did someone answer your question? |
| 17:09.03 | jelly | lemme see what are are graphing |
| 17:09.06 | jelly | we are* |
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| 17:10.03 | E-bola | i dont understand what you mean by: integrate the output over time and divide by the total length |
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| 17:10.58 | jelly | E-bola: sum all the iostat -x 1 %util numbers for five minutes, divide by 300 |
| 17:11.42 | E-bola | wouldnt that be the same as setting the interval to 300? (-x 300) |
| 17:11.50 | jelly | E-bola: pretty much. |
| 17:12.08 | jelly | but you can also have a rolling average of whatnot |
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| 17:12.26 | jelly | or you can analyze /proc/diskstats by yourself |
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| 17:13.04 | jelly | man proc says: |
| 17:13.14 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.14 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.07 | E-bola | hmmm |
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| 17:14.54 | E-bola | from iostats.txt: Field 10 -- # of milliseconds spent doing I/Os |
| 17:15.09 | E-bola | i guess you woudl take the uptime in milisecs and devide by that field |
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| 17:15.45 | jelly | E-bola: uptime if you wanted the avg for the whole uptime. |
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| 17:16.45 | CodeN1Nj4 | macrobat: I found easytag :) |
| 17:16.50 | E-bola | jelly: mm i guess i need that value for the past 1min or whatever |
| 17:17.02 | E-bola | so i can get a more up2date % value |
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| 17:17.05 | jelly | E-bola: or you would take that number every 60 seconds, minutes and show (current - previous)/60 |
| 17:17.07 | E-bola | i think thats the value im looking for |
| 17:17.18 | E-bola | Right! |
| 17:17.21 | E-bola | thats i i think :) |
| 17:17.30 | E-bola | you know if any utils/scripts does that? |
| 17:17.32 | jelly | which is pretty much what iostat -x sda 60 would do, too |
| 17:17.39 | E-bola | it doesnt seem like such an odd speciality to me to want to monitor |
| 17:17.51 | E-bola | ya %util is close to that |
| 17:18.09 | jelly | E-bola: what, for sampling one variable every 60 seconds? Do it yourself. |
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| 17:18.45 | porter | hi, folks, i made a mistake, i started an apt-get dist-upgrade from ssh with screen, now ssh is down, eth0 sad lost its settings and I can't reattach the apt-get dist-upgrade session anymore. I see apt-get is running in the background. how can i "reattach" to the dist-upgrade session? |
| 17:19.27 | remur_030 | I have a problem with my network interfaces, eth0 is set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces, but I can't take it down with ipdown --all |
| 17:19.30 | E-bola | jelly: so if i starts copying a 10gb file from /dev/hda to /dev/hda %util should get close to 100% right? |
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| 17:19.46 | jelly | correct |
| 17:19.50 | penguin_ | Can a Linux box be a gateway to the internet if it is attached to another gateway? |
| 17:19.52 | Titan8990 | remur_030, use: /etc/init.d/networking stop |
| 17:20.04 | Titan8990 | remur_030, that should bring down all interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:20.04 | jelly | E-bola: or from /dev/hda to /dev/null |
| 17:20.10 | remur_030 | Titan8990: this just calls ifdown --all, and thus doesn't take it down either |
| 17:20.14 | E-bola | i think ile starts monitoring %util |
| 17:20.23 | E-bola | the goal of it seems to be the same as the value i know from windows |
| 17:20.31 | E-bola | to meassure in % how "busy" a disk is |
| 17:20.34 | remur_030 | I don't understand why it doesn't work =/ |
| 17:20.49 | jelly | E-bola: that's pretty much it, yes. |
| 17:20.55 | penguin_ | I have a linux box on the internet, can I use it as a gatewaay for another box? |
| 17:20.58 | porter | remur_030: try setting it up manually |
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| 17:21.08 | Titan8990 | remur_030, can you pring them down individually with ifconfig? |
| 17:21.12 | Titan8990 | err bring |
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| 17:21.20 | jpinx | penguin_: yes |
| 17:21.22 | remur_030 | porter: well of course I can set it up manually, but I want it to work cleanly when the system starts =) |
| 17:21.27 | remur_030 | Titan8990: yes that works |
| 17:21.34 | E-bola | jelly, valdyn, amethyst: Thanks for explaining and educating me :) |
| 17:21.36 | penguin_ | Do I need special settings for it to be a gateway? |
| 17:21.53 | porter | remur_030: thats ok, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:21.54 | remur_030 | is there something that might take away the auto status? |
| 17:21.56 | Titan8990 | penguin_, you will need to configure static routes properly |
| 17:22.10 | penguin_ | On the gateway box? |
| 17:22.15 | Titan8990 | penguin_, yes |
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| 17:22.38 | areay | i've setup my ethernet card to use 4 ip addresses in /etc/network/interfaces... how can i choose which IP is used for outgoing web traffic? |
| 17:22.39 | remur_030 | porter: hm? what should I do there, eth0 and lo are set to auto, but it doesn't work properly |
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| 17:22.45 | Titan8990 | penguin_, and it of course needs two network interfaces |
| 17:22.52 | porter | penguin_: if you setup both boxes to route properly, i cant see why you coulndt use both as gateways |
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| 17:23.20 | Titan8990 | penguin_, in which case you might as well make it a bridge, less maintenance |
| 17:23.33 | LordMetroid | I can not find any glassfish package in Debian lenny repositories...? |
| 17:23.40 | penguin_ | You need two network interfaces? |
| 17:24.04 | Titan8990 | penguin_, how else do you expect the traffic to move from one network to the other? |
| 17:24.12 | maheshm | hi. Which is the best MTA that is popularly used? |
| 17:24.13 | klbate | I'm lazy. Is there a pointy-clicky way of turning a laptop into a DHCP server and gateway for computers connecting to the ethernet card, with internet on wireless? |
| 17:24.18 | Titan8990 | penguin_, have you ever seen a router with a single interface? |
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| 17:24.40 | penguin_ | I have a box that won't connect to the gateway, I was going to try to use the linux box instead to troubleshhoot |
| 17:25.07 | Titan8990 | penguin_, thats a big project for troubleshooting |
| 17:25.14 | porter | remur_030: i'm not sure i understand what you mean by "auto" ! my only $auto is set to "lo |
| 17:25.20 | Titan8990 | penguin_, and computers don't "connect" to a gateway |
| 17:25.23 | penguin_ | I am not going to add another NIC |
| 17:25.29 | maheshm | is qmail better than sendmail? |
| 17:25.37 | remur_030 | porter: yeah mine isn't, I want eth0 in as well |
| 17:25.38 | penguin_ | Yes they do |
| 17:25.56 | Titan8990 | penguin_, no, they don't, they simply pass all traffic to it as their default route |
| 17:25.57 | porter | remur_030: static or dhcp? |
| 17:26.03 | remur_030 | porter: static route |
| 17:26.11 | Titan8990 | penguin_, you don't have persistant connections to gateways |
| 17:26.16 | penguin_ | They have to connect to pass traffic through it. |
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| 17:27.39 | porter | remur_030: set this in your /etc/network/interfaces : auto lo |
| 17:27.39 | porter | and |
| 17:27.39 | penguin_ | I have one computer that won't connect to the gateway, all the rest connect |
| 17:27.39 | porter | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 17:27.39 | Titan8990 | penguin_, no... a connection would be where the client first sends syn packets to the gateway and then opens up a socket in order for them to talk and transmit data |
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| 17:27.46 | Titan8990 | penguin_, but thats not how it works |
| 17:27.54 | Titan8990 | penguin_, it just sends the traffic |
| 17:27.54 | porter | allow-hotplug ethx |
| 17:28.00 | porter | with manual settings |
| 17:28.25 | penguin_ | huh? |
| 17:28.42 | Titan8990 | penguin_, forget it... what are you using for a network gateway now and what problems are you having?] |
| 17:28.42 | remur_030 | porter: something is overriding my settings from interfaces, I set eth0 up as auto (this should be no problem, it is allways connected) |
| 17:28.44 | porter | but again, before you reboot check first manually if it works as Titan8990 siggested earlier by : ifconfig ethx bla bla bla up |
| 17:29.04 | penguin_ | One of the computers will not connect to the gateway |
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| 17:29.19 | remur_030 | porter: my connection works, I just can't take it down properly, nor is it taken up properly |
| 17:29.25 | porter | penguin_: you're missing a route probably |
| 17:29.35 | Titan8990 | penguin_, and how are you configuring it? |
| 17:29.45 | penguin_ | Windows |
| 17:29.46 | porter | remur_030: what's so complicated? ifconfig ethx down |
| 17:29.48 | klbate | Is ipmasq the way to go if I want to share the internet connection on my laptop with other computers plugging in to the ethernet port? |
| 17:29.53 | penguin_ | But I just booted into Knoppix |
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| 17:30.05 | porter | remur_030: what's so complicated? ifconfig ethx -put-something-meningful-in-here up |
| 17:30.19 | bluethundr_ | how do I display what groups are on my debian box? |
| 17:30.20 | Titan8990 | penguin_, and you did what in knoppiox to configure networking? |
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| 17:30.27 | remur_030 | porter: I don't want to pull the plug, I want ifdown to call the down section in interfaces etc |
| 17:30.31 | penguin_ | I didnt do anything yet |
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| 17:30.40 | remur_030 | that's why ifconfig down is a no go here |
| 17:30.48 | maheshm | any clue for anyone regarding mail servers? |
| 17:30.56 | Titan8990 | penguin_, so how do you know there is a problem if you havn't tried anything? |
| 17:31.08 | Titan8990 | maheshm, what about them? |
| 17:31.14 | porter | remur_030: thats why i'm suggesting to try it manually first, it seems your ifdown/up scripts are missing something |
| 17:31.22 | penguin_ | Because the network card would not connect to the IP address of gateway. |
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| 17:31.34 | penguin_ | Using the NIC troubleshooting software |
| 17:31.38 | maheshm | titan8990: which is better one to use sendmail or qmail? |
| 17:31.39 | Titan8990 | penguin_, how many times do i need to tell you that isn't how it works? |
| 17:31.47 | remur_030 | porter: yes I can do it manually as I already lined out |
| 17:32.01 | penguin_ | So what does the troubleshooting software do? |
| 17:32.01 | Titan8990 | maheshm, its all administrative preference, sendmail is by far the most popular |
| 17:32.01 | maheshm | or is there anything better? |
| 17:32.10 | Titan8990 | maheshm, i recommend the default of your distro |
| 17:32.10 | bluethundr_ | maheshm: are you mahesh malia from zerone? |
| 17:32.21 | Titan8990 | penguin_, no idea |
| 17:32.33 | Titan8990 | penguin_, how are you acquiring a ip address? dhcp? |
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| 17:32.39 | penguin_ | It tests the connection |
| 17:32.47 | penguin_ | static |
| 17:32.50 | maheshm | bluethundr: nope. Mahesh M from India |
| 17:33.02 | Titan8990 | penguin_, and how did you set the static addressing? |
| 17:33.03 | maheshm | Titan8990: Ok thank you |
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| 17:33.22 | bluethundr_ | maheshm: ah ok I work with another maheshm also from India on a projject called beeag :) |
| 17:33.22 | penguin_ | I have a range, I have no control over the gateway |
| 17:33.41 | bluethundr_ | s/beeag/beezag/ |
| 17:33.54 | Titan8990 | penguin_, i don't care about the range, how did you set it in linux? |
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| 17:34.07 | penguin_ | I didnt do anything in linux yet |
| 17:34.11 | lvh | how can I allow my user to mount iso's (-o loop.ro) in his own home dir? |
| 17:34.21 | Titan8990 | penguin_, so whats the problem then? |
| 17:34.25 | bluethundr_ | how do I show all groups? |
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| 17:34.32 | penguin_ | I have a linux box that connects to the gatway on the lan |
| 17:34.48 | penguin_ | I want to use that box to troubleshoot |
| 17:34.53 | Titan8990 | penguin_, you can't do anything until you have an address and a default route |
| 17:35.03 | Titan8990 | penguin_, you have done nothing and expect magic to happen |
| 17:35.11 | Titan8990 | penguin_, i don't know what to tell you |
| 17:35.23 | penguin_ | In windows I did all kinds of tests |
| 17:35.33 | Titan8990 | penguin_, this isn't #windows |
| 17:35.37 | jelly | lvh: not easily, but you could fuseiso / fuseiso9660 |
| 17:35.41 | Titan8990 | most of us are not windows users |
| 17:35.52 | Titan8990 | nor do we care about windows in any way |
| 17:35.59 | lvh | jelly: what's the difference? they seem to do the same thing |
| 17:36.00 | abrotman | or excessive enter key users |
| 17:36.13 | derobert_work | can anyone confirm that ries.debian.org (ftp-master.d.o, incoming.d.o, etc.) is down? |
| 17:36.37 | jelly | lvh: I haven't tried any, just remember that something named fuseiso existed |
| 17:36.40 | Titan8990 | penguin_, if you are just learning linux so you can fix windows, you are probably just wasting time |
| 17:36.45 | abrotman | derobert_work: it would seem that way |
| 17:36.45 | penguin_ | I have a linux box on a lan that connects to a gateway, and then I have another box that wont connect to the gateway but it will connnect to the linux box |
| 17:36.59 | lvh | jelly: Okay thanks for the help :-) |
| 17:36.59 | abrotman | penguin_: which version of linux? |
| 17:37.07 | penguin_ | Will this work to get on the internet |
| 17:37.14 | penguin_ | Debian |
| 17:37.21 | Titan8990 | penguin_, no, because you don't listen |
| 17:37.22 | abrotman | !tell penguin_ about ipmasq |
| 17:37.24 | PepperBob | derobert_work, can't reach it. |
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| 17:38.05 | derobert_work | abrotman, PepperBob: thanks, at least it isn't just me then |
| 17:38.06 | Titan8990 | penguin_, you tell me you need a static address but have not set one, you don't ask me how to set and Ip, you just say it "doesn't work" |
| 17:38.13 | Titan8990 | penguin_, you are set for failure |
| 17:38.21 | abrotman | Titan8990: you could just /ignore |
| 17:38.30 | Titan8990 | abrotman, good call.... |
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| 17:39.08 | salahuddin | penguin_: check http://aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm |
| 17:39.23 | abrotman | salahuddin: that's not what he asked for |
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| 17:40.43 | salahuddin | abrotman: yap i got it later, i was confused "Will this work to get on the internet" |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | and that article is *ancient* |
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| 17:41.38 | Titan8990 | salahuddin, no, he keeps saying he wants to connect to gateway and doesn't care how many times I tell him clients do not establish a connection to a gateway, it just routes |
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| 17:42.16 | salahuddin | Titan8990: :( got it |
| 17:42.33 | derobert_work | Titan8990: well, they do if its a SOCKS gateway :-D |
| 17:43.06 | penguin_ | How to tell what type of "connection" I have with the gateway? |
| 17:43.09 | Titan8990 | derobert_work, but then its not just a gateway, its also a proxy server |
| 17:43.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, as long as he just plays around with knoppix and windows, and doesn't have a Debian install, this is all just a fairy tale |
| 17:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and not really on-topic :) |
| 17:44.10 | penguin_ | I have a Debian machine on the network |
| 17:44.18 | abrotman | penguin_: is the router debian? |
| 17:44.32 | derobert_work | Titan8990: socks proxies are called gateways. Gateway has a fairly broad meaning (another example: mail gateway)... |
| 17:44.33 | penguin_ | I have no control over the gateway |
| 17:44.40 | abrotman | penguin_: which OS are you trying to configure *right now* ? |
| 17:44.48 | penguin_ | Knoppix |
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| 17:44.58 | abrotman | penguin_: please go to #knoppix, you're offtopic here |
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| 17:45.12 | Titan8990 | derobert_work, agreed, gateway is a broad term |
| 17:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem solved :-P |
| 17:45.32 | derobert_work | lol |
| 17:45.47 | Titan8990 | LOL for a while I thought this was #linux |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | penguin_: and if they cannot help you, try ##linux |
| 17:46.13 | remur_030 | porter: this is getting worse as the portmap stop script craps out and hangs |
| 17:46.27 | remur_030 | thus system restart often fails, somewhat unpleasent for a headless system |
| 17:47.04 | penguin_ | Well using Debian, how to tell what type of "connection" I have with the gateway? |
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| 17:47.28 | abrotman | penguin_: please don't pretend to be using debian, please go to #knoppix or ##linux |
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| 17:47.44 | penguin_ | I am talking to you from a Debian box |
| 17:47.51 | porter | remur_030: i assume your /etc/network/interfaces is messed up |
| 17:48.51 | abrotman | penguin_: We do not support every OS out there, go to the correct channel for your OS, you're offtopic here, and you persist you can be banned |
| 17:49.49 | porter | remur_030: as long as your modules are loaded correctly and hotplug is working properly i dont see why ifconfig shouldn't do the job (at least temporarly, until the next reboot, for testing purposes only) |
| 17:49.50 | remur_030 | porter: http://pastebin.be/19784 , looks pretty solid to me |
| 17:50.09 | remur_030 | porter: ifconfig is doing the job, but that system will get rebooted |
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| 17:50.33 | remur_030 | the testing is done, I want that deployed now ;-) |
| 17:50.50 | bluethundr_ | what is the debian equivalent of /etc/inetd/conf ? |
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| 17:51.01 | abrotman | bluethundr_: to do what? |
| 17:51.12 | bluethundr_ | I need to install amanda backup client |
| 17:51.19 | abrotman | /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | amanda is already packaged |
| 17:51.25 | bluethundr_ | the instructions are red hat oriented |
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| 17:51.33 | Titan8990 | remur_030, do you have networkmanager running or something else that might bypass standard networking configuration? |
| 17:51.35 | abrotman | aptitude install amanda-client |
| 17:51.53 | abrotman | bluethundr_: what's wrong with the debian package? |
| 17:52.17 | remur_030 | Titan8990: networkmanager no, aiccu to set up a tunnel over eth0, but that creates a new interface |
| 17:52.19 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: nothing as far as I can tell, that;s how I installed it. but when I ps awlx | grep amanda nothing turns up |
| 17:52.29 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: that's expected |
| 17:52.37 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: it only runs when it gets a connection |
| 17:52.40 | rturcotte | hi all, so I have a problem with a debian install that I was looking for help with |
| 17:52.52 | abrotman | bluethundr_: /usr/share/doc/amanda-client/ ... might have some stuff to read |
| 17:52.54 | bluethundr_ | derobert_work: oh thanks for clearing that up |
| 17:53.04 | abrotman | rturcotte: just ask |
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| 17:53.17 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: you want to check netstat -lt to see if its listening for a connection on whichever port |
| 17:53.21 | Titan8990 | is there an info bot here? |
| 17:53.22 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: ok, cool I will check that out. I was following a config guide from the manufacurer on the intarwebz |
| 17:53.26 | Titan8990 | !info |
| 17:53.26 | abrotman | Titan8990: yes |
| 17:53.32 | porter | remur_030: try this : http://pastebin.be/19785 |
| 17:53.37 | bluethundr_ | derobert_work: cool I will check netstat |
| 17:53.40 | bluethundr_ | thanks |
| 17:53.41 | abrotman | !tell Titan8990 about foo |
| 17:53.43 | rturcotte | basically - I have an old debian install from maybe 2007? and I've installed like 400 or so updates...and now on login I basically get a blank screen without GNOME and panels and stuff |
| 17:53.55 | rturcotte | although my shortcut for terminal, still works |
| 17:54.08 | abrotman | rturcotte: do you know which video card? |
| 17:54.09 | rturcotte | i've tried failsafe gnome and that doesn't work...although gnome isn't listed to begin with in there |
| 17:54.09 | porter | remur_030: sorry 1 sec |
| 17:54.12 | porter | remur_030: |
| 17:54.14 | porter | 1 sec |
| 17:54.17 | Titan8990 | abrotman, LOL thanks.. and rfc that mentions "foobar" |
| 17:54.19 | derobert_work | rturcotte: which debian version is it currently running? etch, lenny, or testing/unstable? |
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| 17:54.42 | g00se | Isn't amanda-client a err.. client? Why would it run/listen if you hadn't explictly started it? |
| 17:54.56 | rturcotte | I'm not sure...but it's oldish, is there a way to find out? |
| 17:55.05 | derobert_work | g00se: it listens (through inetd) for a connection from the amanda server |
| 17:55.22 | rturcotte | I get video it's just got no desktop/panels and such |
| 17:55.36 | derobert_work | rturcotte: cat /etc/debian_version, also check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:55.52 | porter | remur_030: http://pastebin.be/19786 |
| 17:55.52 | abrotman | or dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:55.53 | rturcotte | 5.0.2 |
| 17:56.00 | g00se | drobert_work: OK. It must be one of *those* client server relationships ;-) |
| 17:56.11 | abrotman | rturcotte: if you do `aptitude full-upgrade` .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 17:56.22 | rturcotte | actually |
| 17:56.23 | Titan8990 | derobert_work, rturcotte, cat /etc/issue works and will work in more distros than debian |
| 17:56.39 | rturcotte | sources.list shows etch and 4.0 though |
| 17:57.32 | rturcotte | yeah full-upgrade wants to install stuff |
| 17:57.33 | derobert_work | g00se: yeah, its a client/server in terms of the resources being served (backup storage), not in terms of the TCP connections. |
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| 17:58.08 | derobert_work | rturcotte: ok, somehow you have a nice mix of etch and lenny |
| 17:58.10 | rturcotte | xserver says its broken |
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| 17:58.16 | rturcotte | maybe thats my problem? |
| 17:58.23 | rturcotte | heh |
| 17:58.36 | rturcotte | yeah, I didn't install these things and they hadn't been updated for a long time... |
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| 17:58.47 | Titan8990 | rturcotte, if you JUST installed, grab a lenny mimal cd and just do a net install |
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| 17:59.05 | Titan8990 | minimal |
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| 17:59.14 | johndoc_ | i need etch! |
| 17:59.50 | derobert_work | rturcotte: I'd suggest just changing over to lenny... Your choice of either following the release notes to do the upgrade (and probably cursing a little, as you're starting from a weird state) or using Titan8990's wipe it and start over method |
| 17:59.55 | johndoc_ | seriously though, anybody had any luck getting the quickcam (that worked out of the box in etch) to work at all in etch? |
| 17:59.59 | remur_030 | porter: yes, this took eth0 down as well, but I need the up / down commands |
| 18:00.17 | remur_030 | (so it still is on auto as I wanted, a success =) ) |
| 18:00.21 | abrotman | johndoc_: you mean in lenny ? |
| 18:00.31 | johndoc_ | my boss and i have been beating our heads agains the since 6 this morning with it |
| 18:00.35 | johndoc_ | yeah, lenny sorry |
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| 18:00.38 | derobert_work | rturcotte: and once you have lenny, make sure gnome is installed |
| 18:00.40 | johndoc_ | i'm really frazzled |
| 18:00.52 | _abbenormal | remur_030, try ifup eth0 |
| 18:01.10 | rturcotte | hmm thanks |
| 18:01.23 | remur_030 | _abbenormal: works now |
| 18:01.24 | bluethundr_ | mt -f /dev/nst0 compression 0 displays mt: ambiguous argument `compression' for `tape operation' |
| 18:01.24 | rturcotte | i'd prefer to just get the gui working properly |
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| 18:01.34 | rturcotte | sort of a long story |
| 18:01.38 | Titan8990 | derobert_work, why should he make sure gnome is installed? |
| 18:01.38 | johndoc_ | anyone? luck with quickcam in lenny? |
| 18:01.54 | derobert_work | Titan8990: because he wants to use it? |
| 18:02.05 | Titan8990 | derobert_work, oh, i missed that |
| 18:02.20 | rturcotte | yeah it seems like GNOME is broke right now..or something weird like that |
| 18:02.24 | porter | remur_030: again, i'm not sure if i understand, but if it works, ok, whatever :-) |
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| 18:03.12 | remur_030 | porter: well the up / down lines where commands to run whenever the interface comes up / goes down |
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| 18:03.32 | remur_030 | I readded them to see if it still works |
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| 18:04.12 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: make sure you've got mt-st not mt-gnu |
| 18:04.16 | remur_030 | porter: grmbl now it doesn't work anymore |
| 18:04.42 | bluethundr_ | derobert_work: ok I will try that. I will aptitude it |
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| 18:05.12 | johndoc_ | am i asking my question wrong or something? |
| 18:05.14 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: mt-gnu is part of cpio, installing mt-st should make it work right |
| 18:05.14 | porter | remur_030: screw the up/down lines, let the kernel do the work, aka hotplug |
| 18:05.33 | bluethundr_ | derobert_work: ok thanks |
| 18:05.44 | remur_030 | porter: they are necessary for ipv6, kernel won't do me the favor here =) |
| 18:06.02 | porter | what kernel is it? |
| 18:06.07 | remur_030 | actually they are necessery to make it able to route ipv6 connections |
| 18:06.11 | remur_030 | 2.6.30 |
| 18:06.20 | porter | Sid? |
| 18:06.29 | remur_030 | yes, kernel is custom made though |
| 18:06.39 | porter | stable? testing? Sid? |
| 18:06.48 | remur_030 | testing |
| 18:07.15 | derobert_work | umm, ipv6 autodiscovery should work, but of course if you want a nice address you'll have to do it by hand. |
| 18:07.42 | bluethundr_ | hmm an aptitude search shows me only mt-st not mt-gnu |
| 18:07.43 | derobert_work | of course, autodiscovery require a radvd to be running |
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| 18:07.54 | bluethundr_ | ah cpio |
| 18:07.58 | bluethundr_ | I'll search that |
| 18:08.01 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: yeah, just install mt-st... mt-gnu (/bin/mt-gnu) is part of cpio |
| 18:08.07 | derobert_work | bluethundr_: you can leave cpio installed... |
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| 18:08.11 | alsd | hi there |
| 18:08.16 | bluethundr_ | derobert_work: ok thanks |
| 18:08.28 | remur_030 | derobert_work: this node is the quasi gateway for the network, I need to set his adress, he will relay the subnet for the rest of the connected nodes |
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| 18:09.11 | derobert_work | remur_030: yes, you'll need to do it your way then |
| 18:09.32 | remur_030 | grmbl, but I can atleast images why it doesn't assume auto then though, because I touched it with the ip -6 add addr |
| 18:10.03 | remur_030 | derobert_work: well if it'd work that'd be fine, but it doesn't this way =) |
| 18:10.16 | remur_030 | gotta make myself dinner now |
| 18:11.27 | Sashi | wtf? |
| 18:11.29 | Sashi | [31920.682014] unrar[6725]: segfault at 7fff6fe0eff8 ip 7feb67188671 sp 7fff6fe0f028 error 6 in libc-2.7.so[7feb67119000+14a000] |
| 18:11.29 | Sashi | Segmentation fault |
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| 18:11.59 | derobert_work | ok.... ? |
| 18:12.38 | derobert_work | Sashi: unrar segfaulted, maybe a bug report is in order? |
| 18:13.19 | abrotman | i'd run a memtest first |
| 18:13.26 | ajavid | good afternoon |
| 18:14.32 | derobert_work | doesn't bother installing until 24+hr of memtest... |
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| 18:30.40 | ranix | !avoid the noid |
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| 18:32.21 | Deformat | Hi, I need help with growing an ext3 partition. |
| 18:32.41 | ranix | !help |
| 18:32.45 | Deformat | I need to grow it into preceding free space. |
| 18:32.53 | Deformat | What utility would I need to do this? |
| 18:33.06 | Deformat | I need a disk to do it with. |
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| 18:33.46 | jpinx | not sure Deformat but man tune2fs would be a good place to start reading |
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| 18:34.12 | ranix | I think gparted can do it for you |
| 18:34.27 | tarzeau | if i have my $color="#99aacc"; can i hexadecimally add or substract something from it? say make "#7799aa" of it (perl)? |
| 18:34.36 | ranix | ah parted can do it |
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| 18:34.44 | ranix | apparently gparted is just a frontend |
| 18:34.53 | ranix | Deformat: don't forget to backup your data, just in case |
| 18:35.02 | ranix | Deformat: worst case scenario, you just do it the hard way |
| 18:36.16 | deatavist | hey fellas |
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| 18:36.29 | deatavist | and ladies |
| 18:36.32 | jpinx | Deformat: be careful about re-partitioning - especially extending into preceding space - it might b0rk your boot-ability |
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| 18:39.58 | JyZyXEL | where can i see a list of TZ values? |
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| 18:43.16 | Deformat | jpinx: My boot is on another partition. |
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| 18:44.10 | jpinx | Deformat: fine - but still be careful |
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| 18:44.59 | Deformat | Well, I still cannot find any cd that has parted. |
| 18:45.05 | Deformat | And ubuntu doesn't work. |
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| 18:46.49 | Deformat | The businesscard.iso does not have parted, perhaps the cd1? |
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| 18:46.58 | ranix | what do you mean ubuntu doesn't work |
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| 18:47.09 | Deformat | Ubuntu will not boot on this machine. |
| 18:47.09 | jpinx | !doesn't work |
| 18:47.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 18:47.12 | Deformat | I couldn't figure it out. |
| 18:47.24 | ranix | Deformat: aren't you using debian? |
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| 18:47.32 | Deformat | Yes, debian will boot. |
| 18:47.37 | ranix | ah ok |
| 18:47.38 | Deformat | But the ubuntu livecd will not boot. |
| 18:47.45 | ranix | yeah ubuntu livecds suck |
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| 18:48.23 | ranix | I don't have much experience with live cds, I have more than one computer that runs linux and they service each other with problems like this |
| 18:48.50 | Timbauns | testing installation media do no work |
| 18:48.50 | Deformat | Oh, how can I do that? |
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| 18:49.23 | jpinx | Deformat: there's a debian live CD iirs |
| 18:49.25 | jpinx | iirc |
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| 18:50.49 | ajavid | I went to the hydrogen-music.org website and my browser crashed |
| 18:50.51 | ajavid | everytime |
| 18:51.03 | ajavid | iceweasel 3 |
| 18:51.13 | lcuk | theres a message there somewhere |
| 18:51.14 | quanhm | I |
| 18:51.38 | ranix | Deformat: I would yank the drive and plug it into an existing Linux system to back it up with dd ... | gzip -c > file.img.gz , then use fdisk to resize the partition and resize2fs |
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| 18:52.09 | ranix | Deformat: then I would test the drive in the original computer. If it didn't work, I'd dd the image back to the drive and try a different method |
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| 18:52.36 | ranix | where ... are options for dd |
| 18:52.41 | Deformat | AH. |
| 18:52.50 | Deformat | Well, these g3s are a pain in the ass to crack open. |
| 18:52.58 | ranix | ah yeah I feel the pain |
| 18:53.22 | ranix | relative of mine offered me a mac once to keep if I could get the drive out to harvest the data |
| 18:53.32 | ranix | opened it, took one look, and closed it back up and said I didn't want it |
| 18:53.48 | ranix | though I hear the layout in the more recent ones is much more accomidating |
| 18:53.53 | Deformat | Heh. |
| 18:54.07 | Deformat | Well, for the most part, I like the machine. |
| 18:54.19 | Deformat | It serves as my chat/server box. |
| 18:54.27 | ranix | we all need one of those |
| 18:54.30 | ranix | got one at home |
| 18:54.35 | ranix | but my raid array just crapped out |
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| 18:55.05 | Deformat | I keep it on for logging irc, and hosting my svn. |
| 18:55.09 | Deformat | :) |
| 18:55.16 | ranix | woo |
| 18:55.21 | ranix | I use sourceforge for svn |
| 18:55.28 | Deformat | Closed source projects. |
| 18:55.31 | ranix | ah |
| 18:55.41 | ranix | obsolete |
| 18:55.53 | ranix | whoops we're #debian-offtopic territory |
| 18:56.35 | quanhm | Hello. Am trying to install Debian on Dell Optiplex 960 with Intel Core 2 VPro. Web searches are telling me that amd64 is the correct image for this architecture, but the installation keeps hanging on me. Is amd64 indeed the correct image? |
| 18:56.41 | ranix | anyway maybe you can put a spare hard disk in your system and do a quickie install of lenny on it, and repair your main drive with it |
| 18:56.50 | ranix | might be the fastest way |
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| 18:57.09 | Deformat | If I can just find a livecd with parted or similar, I will be fine. |
| 18:57.34 | stew | Deformat: parted is on the install cd |
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| 18:57.42 | Deformat | Which cd? |
| 18:57.49 | Deformat | It is not on the business card. |
| 18:57.50 | ranix | quanhm: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
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| 18:58.00 | ranix | i.e., I doubt etch will run on a vpro |
| 18:58.18 | ranix | the installer anyway |
| 18:58.48 | quanhm | Lenny. But I've also tried squeeze and sid. |
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| 18:59.10 | goldins | Hi, how do I connect to an iscsi target? |
| 18:59.20 | Deformat | stew? |
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| 18:59.45 | jpinx | xtravaga: join the club ;) |
| 19:00.01 | xtravaga | jpinx hi and thanks |
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| 19:00.06 | stew | Deformat: i would have thought it would be on the business card cd, I might have been using a testing installer though, I'm trying to check |
| 19:00.10 | elninja | hmm. I just installed pekwm. When I run iceweasel in it, I get the dialog asking me if I want to restore prev session or start new. However, after that the main window never comes up. I even tried renaming my ~/.mozilla directory, in case something in one of those files was causing it, but that didn't change anything. |
| 19:00.11 | xtravaga | wow its crowded in here |
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| 19:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | xtravaga, reserve early! |
| 19:01.23 | xtravaga | hehe |
| 19:01.47 | xtravaga | what am in the line for anyway?:P its a rock concert and the backrow seats are just fine:) |
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| 19:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | they give away free psychedelic drugs |
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| 19:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's a secret |
| 19:02.19 | jpinx | xtravaga: ask whatever you want to know about debian |
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| 19:02.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, pretty much the same... |
| 19:02.33 | jpinx | xtravaga: but this is debian only - ok? |
| 19:02.45 | stew | Deformat: its on the businesscard cd |
| 19:02.48 | xtravaga | jpinx arent you the hardcore deb fan:P |
| 19:02.55 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:03.03 | quanhm | ranix: Lenny. But I've also tried squeeze and sid. |
| 19:03.08 | jpinx | no - not hardcore, but yes - I like debian a lot |
| 19:03.22 | stew | Deformat: parted on the current stable businesscard cd |
| 19:03.41 | Deformat | Hm. |
| 19:03.43 | xtravaga | jpinx is wine package available in the 25113 packages:)? |
| 19:03.48 | Deformat | What did you boot? |
| 19:03.50 | Deformat | Rescue? |
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| 19:03.53 | stew | i didn't |
| 19:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | elninja, takes its time? |
| 19:04.01 | jpinx | xtravaga: yes - wine is available |
| 19:04.06 | stew | Deformat: its an optional component that you may need expert mode to load |
| 19:04.09 | jpinx | judd: versions wine |
| 19:04.09 | Deformat | I will try booting the rescue option. |
| 19:04.10 | judd | jpinx: wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1 etch-backports: 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-2 squeeze: 1.0.1-2 experimental: 1.1.24-1 |
| 19:04.12 | jpinx | xtravaga: ^^ |
| 19:04.13 | Deformat | Or expert. |
| 19:04.17 | Deformat | Thankyou for the help. |
| 19:04.22 | xtravaga | hehe cool |
| 19:04.30 | stew | Deformat: pool/main/p/parted/parted-udeb_1.8.8.git.2008.03.24-11.1_amd64.udeb on the cd |
| 19:04.35 | jpinx | !tell xtravaga about selftell |
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| 19:05.54 | Enito | Hi, i tryed to upgrade to lenny all fine, but new kerlen hang in boot, is like cant mount / , sata problems, but when i back with old kernel 2.6.23 all fine, how can fix? |
| 19:06.20 | Enito | i have this controller 05:04.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4) (rev 02) |
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| 19:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 19:07.29 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6 -- |
| 19:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
| 19:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:07.49 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+20 |
| 19:07.53 | jpinx | hands CutMeOwnThroat a * |
| 19:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks astonished at his shiny new sparkling * |
| 19:08.19 | elninja | CutMeOwnThroat, nope. I can see that it is running via "ps a". It's like it loads, but is simply not showing the window in pekwm |
| 19:08.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | elninja, what about other windows managers? |
| 19:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never used pekwm... |
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| 19:09.56 | elninja | CutMeOwnThroat, Works fine in KDE and Fluxbox |
| 19:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Enito, mmm. 2.6.23 is your 'old kernel' - but etch had 2.6.18 - I actually don't see why changing from 2.6.23 to the 2.6.26 in lenny should cause a problem |
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| 19:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | elninja, so any reason to stick with pekwm? if you want something simple, openbox is also nice... |
| 19:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | elninja, you could try "wmctrl -a iceweasel" to raise/focuse the windows |
| 19:12.41 | elninja | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm just trying out different window managers to see which one I prefer. Thanks for the idea about wmctrl. I'll install that and see if I can use it to find the window. |
| 19:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | elninja, actually - have you already checked the bts? |
| 19:13.11 | elninja | bts? |
| 19:13.18 | jwatkins | does anyone know the status of ries (ftp-master)? |
| 19:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell elninja -about bts |
| 19:14.34 | elninja | Aha! Bug tracking! Not yet, but I'll check there too |
| 19:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, there's a nifty way to get warning on serious bugs you might want |
| 19:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell elninja -about apt-listbugs |
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| 19:18.37 | J_P | people, my user when write a file/dir create it with this mask: -rw-r--r-- or drwxr-xr-x. I would like that mask will be -rwxrw-r-- and drwxrwxr-x |
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| 19:18.46 | J_P | I would like change the unmask |
| 19:19.00 | J_P | umask |
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| 19:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... do it? |
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| 19:20.05 | nsadmin | J_P: what is the umask value now? |
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| 19:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't ask a question, did he? |
| 19:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | "0002" is the answer to the question he didn't ask, I guess |
| 19:20.45 | nsadmin | not yet :) |
| 19:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if I use my psychic powers too much, I'll get a headache |
| 19:21.08 | nsadmin | oh you gave it away |
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| 19:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops, sorry |
| 19:21.38 | themill | !ops Banu_Alkan___ on-join spam |
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| 19:21.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: Banu_Alkan___ on-join spam |
| 19:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | quick |
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| 19:22.58 | fxiny | and is boring |
| 19:23.01 | fxiny | oops |
| 19:23.05 | danychouinard_ | greeting. I'm having trouble to get ride of a folder entry on a reiser FS. reiserfschk doesn't find anything wrong but trying to list the content is giving me an io error. |
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| 19:24.25 | nsadmin | danychouinard_: another wife bites the dust... |
| 19:24.34 | Omni8 | Hello, anyone knows how to disable ipv6 on a 2.6.26-2-686 kernel ? :) |
| 19:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the installer allow you to run gparted as part of an installation? |
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| 19:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | danychouinard_, try some of those fancy reiserfsck options... like --rebuild-tree and/or --scan-whole-partition and/or --fix-fixable |
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| 19:27.20 | rturcotte | peeps who were helping me: reinstalling gnome seems to have at least given me GNOME back, thanks for your help |
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| 19:28.00 | ukl | strange question: Given I create a few ntfs partitions, will windows recognize them without any complains? (like, are there things I need to take care of doing that?) |
| 19:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | danychouinard_, there's also 'debugreiserfs' with more shiny options |
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| 19:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Omni8, why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 19:28.41 | danychouinard_ | CutMeOwnThroat, fix-fixable was done, but I try the others, thanks. Hope they are not too nasty either - this is a production drive over a SAN... |
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| 19:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | danychouinard_, I wonder how "fresh" bad blocks are found.... didn't see anything |
| 19:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, worst case you can always tar the whole drive onto an external one and play it back onto a fresh filesystem |
| 19:29.57 | Omni8 | CutMeOwnThroat, I've some problems with TCP connections |
| 19:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | danychouinard_, btw. good time to check the disks SMART records |
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| 19:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Omni8, then focus on fixing these... ask the <real question> |
| 19:30.41 | Omni8 | Is a way to disable it ? since ipv6 is compiled on the last kernel, we can't disable it with modprobe I guess |
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| 19:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !real question |
| 19:31.37 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 19:31.56 | Omni8 | Lol ? |
| 19:32.10 | Omni8 | Ok I asked how to disable ipv6 so I'm waiting for this answer. |
| 19:32.10 | cahoot | no xysolution? |
| 19:32.44 | porter | Q: i need to know which package contains the command 'mplex'. since apt-cache search or show don't know, what alternative do i have (apt)? |
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| 19:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell porter -about apt-file |
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| 19:33.41 | porter | CutMeOwnThroat: "command not found" |
| 19:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 19:33.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:34.19 | porter | ok, 1 sec |
| 19:34.25 | jwatkins | is ftp-master down for maintenance? |
| 19:35.36 | ranix | Is it normal to receive an Input/output error upon completion on an "mt erase" operation when working with tape drives? |
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| 19:35.44 | ksnp | if i follow the installation instructions for pidgin related plugins given for unbuntu but do them on debian, would it all work similarly ? |
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| 19:38.32 | fxiny | i like this new DSA , fckeditor ? interesting :P |
| 19:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | porter, actually, you didn't read the apt-file factoid from dpkg... that includes the instruction to install it |
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| 19:40.18 | Deformat | I am getting "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled." when trying to resize with parted. |
| 19:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ukl, I don't see any... but then, windows is weird and I try to avoid it... ask ##windows? |
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| 19:40.35 | Deformat | It says to use check2fs, but I cannot figure out how to fix it. |
| 19:40.38 | J_P | nsadmin: 022 |
| 19:40.54 | J_P | nsadmin: sorry for long time |
| 19:41.13 | porter | oh damn, apt-file gives some output to read |
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| 19:41.47 | ranix | porter: oh noes |
| 19:42.00 | porter | not sure this is what i am looking for |
| 19:42.03 | ksnp | anyone know what the diff between debian and ubuntu is in terms of compiling some code / plugins ? |
| 19:42.28 | ranix | porter: if you need to find a file in a package, you probably want apt-file |
| 19:43.02 | porter | ranix: yes, so it seems. what if i am looking for a special tool ? i.e. : "mplex"? |
| 19:43.18 | ranix | apt-cache search or apt-file search |
| 19:43.34 | ranix | apt-cache searches the contents of packages |
| 19:43.36 | porter | nope, negative, "not found" |
| 19:43.38 | ranix | ehr |
| 19:43.44 | ranix | apt-file searches the contents of packages |
| 19:43.55 | ranix | apt-cache searches the package names/descriptions |
| 19:43.59 | ranix | what do you mean not found |
| 19:44.15 | nsadmin | enteritis |
| 19:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, you still didn't ask a question... but I think I answered it up there anyway |
| 19:44.35 | hark | porter: apt-file search bin/mplex |
| 19:44.40 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: ohh sorry, I will see |
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| 19:45.18 | danychouinard_ | CutMeOwnThroat, the reiserfsck with --rebuild-tree seems to be correcting entry. It's looking good. thx |
| 19:45.31 | porter | hark thats PERFECT thanks |
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| 19:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | porter, you can give a full/partial path like apt-file search 'bin/somecommand' to limit the hits |
| 19:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | danychouinard_, goodonyer! |
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| 19:46.30 | bjorkintosh | is anyone here using kfreebsd? |
| 19:46.32 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: not, I would like change that value for a specific user to create files as 770 for example, Ho wI do? |
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| 19:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, put the umask in /home/specificuser/.profile and/or his .bashrc (or config file for whatever shell he uses) |
| 19:48.16 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: I already put umask 077 in .profile in ~/ but not works |
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| 19:48.34 | porter | :-) thanks a bunch appreciated |
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| 19:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, because 077 is WRONG? |
| 19:50.26 | ranix | lol 077 |
| 19:50.27 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: I put umask 770 too and not works |
| 19:50.31 | ranix | owner can't read it, everybody else can |
| 19:50.36 | ranix | whaaat |
| 19:51.08 | nsadmin | yep, not only that but owner can't do anything to the file |
| 19:51.14 | cahoot | J_P: umask is the 'reverse' of perms |
| 19:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, because 770 is also wrong? <CutMeOwnThroat> "0002" is the answer to the question he didn't ask, I guess |
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| 19:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could, like, bother to a) ask, b) read the answer, you know :) |
| 19:51.52 | nsadmin | except remove it if the dir allows write |
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| 19:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wow, that was said in rather horrible english |
| 19:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I promise it makes sense if you read it a couple of times, though |
| 19:52.55 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: I put umask 0002 in my ~/.profile and not works |
| 19:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, it only works on new logins |
| 19:53.17 | cahoot | source .profile? |
| 19:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | type 'umask 0002' in your current shell |
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| 19:53.40 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: I did new login |
| 19:53.40 | nsadmin | J_P: type umask right now (no args) to see what it is |
| 19:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, then set it in .bashrc |
| 19:54.09 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: not you are right |
| 19:54.21 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: i was roo doing su user |
| 19:54.34 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: su user is not a new login right :-) |
| 19:54.54 | nsadmin | oh, roo is kanga's bro! |
| 19:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm, can I put a debian-installer image on my usb stick next to an existing knoppix image and make make the choice which to boot from grubs menu.lst? |
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| 19:55.39 | Deformat | I am getting "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled." when trying to resize with parted. |
| 19:55.41 | Deformat | It says to use check2fs, but I cannot figure out how to fix it. |
| 19:55.43 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: ohhh but not works via FTP ? |
| 19:55.45 | Deformat | Anyone? |
| 19:55.46 | J_P | :-( |
| 19:56.00 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: only in shell |
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| 19:56.08 | nsadmin | you're running ftp as root?! |
| 19:56.26 | Deformat | s/check2fs/tune2fs |
| 19:56.33 | nsadmin | or better yet, you're ftping in as root? |
| 19:56.43 | paxcoder | root eats people |
| 19:56.59 | paxcoder | what do you think /usr/bin is? |
| 19:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | J_P, you can probably set a mask in your ftp servers configuration |
| 19:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxcoder, a directory! |
| 19:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | was that a trick question? |
| 19:57.22 | J_P | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, I will see in my proftpd conf :-) |
| 19:57.26 | paxcoder | yes, but what does root put there, aha! |
| 19:57.32 | paxcoder | *nods* |
| 19:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | programs? |
| 19:57.59 | nsadmin | a directory? |
| 19:58.09 | pren0x | hi, anyone an idea, woh to limit the bandwidth for a program.. i.e. a ftp-client?? |
| 19:58.14 | paxcoder | man you've got no sense of humor |
| 19:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | pren0x, trickle |
| 19:59.16 | pren0x | CutMeOwnThroat: thx... |
| 19:59.16 | nsadmin | paxcoder: not there yet. just woke up |
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| 20:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, wasn't there some vfat extension or so that allowed you to set soft-links? |
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| 20:06.00 | ksnp | CutMe : can you tell me if i follow some instructions for ubuntu, but do them debian, i can expect it to work ? i read that ubuntu is very similar to debian ? |
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| 20:08.47 | jelly | ksnp: some work, some don't. Some work but break expectations for the other system and you may realize thnigs are broken/unoptimal much later. Proceed with caution. |
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| 20:09.06 | jelly | !tutorials |
| 20:09.07 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 20:10.12 | phorce1 | what does anyone here suggest for monitoring auth.log for failed attempts. I'd just like emails of failed attempts from outside a specific netmask, not a list of all the auths (I can read authlog by hand if want to see them all). |
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| 20:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, you can but try... package names will vary, so you might have to adjust dependencies... |
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| 20:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, it heavily depends on WHAT instructions you follow :) |
| 20:12.23 | ranix | ksnp: !ask |
| 20:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, already using fail2ban? |
| 20:12.42 | ranix | ksnp: don't ask if you can follow an ubuntu tutorial, just ask how to install <program x> |
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| 20:12.57 | ranix | we'll do our best to tell you the best way |
| 20:13.08 | ranix | especially if your problem is interesting |
| 20:13.10 | ksnp | i am trying to compile libotr and pidgin-otr |
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| 20:13.17 | ksnp | on debian |
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| 20:13.24 | Farhadix | Hi guys, When I set " touch foo | at 12:43 " it didn't wait and make foo. when I type at -v it returns "Garbled time". I've googled it but no answer, how fix it? |
| 20:13.47 | g00se | phorce1: Why not just write a script grepping the log? |
| 20:13.56 | ranix | ksnp: I don't think that will be difficult, pidgin uses automake |
| 20:13.56 | ksnp | and i found this link giving instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558197 |
| 20:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyone of done !usb install, but using grub instead of the suggested syslinux? |
| 20:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. got a grub menu.lst line for me that works with the business-card iso |
| 20:14.27 | ksnp | piding itself i am able to compile (on cygwin windows), but i am not able to comiple a plugin called pidgin-otr using cross-comiple with mingw32 |
| 20:14.40 | phorce1 | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I'd rather get a list then block them manually on my firewall |
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| 20:14.46 | ksnp | ranix : can you help or give some tips ? been trying for weeks |
| 20:14.50 | ranix | ksnp: are you trying to compile this on Debian? |
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| 20:15.17 | ksnp | yes |
| 20:15.28 | ranix | are you trying to cross-compile it for Windows? |
| 20:15.32 | ksnp | yes |
| 20:15.42 | deeku | hey, im trying to install debian on a system with an older RAIDCore BC4852 (hw raid) but the installer is showing each drive in the raid array as its own disk... any ideas? |
| 20:15.43 | ranix | good luck! |
| 20:15.44 | phorce1 | g00se: I'd have to expire the log a lot more often if not using something that can remember "where it was when it got the last fail" |
| 20:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, have a look at it... it blocks on for x minutes on >y failed login attempts, then automatically unblocks again (with e.g. x=10,y=3) |
| 20:15.45 | g00se | Farhadix: Why would it wait? |
| 20:16.11 | ksnp | ranix : libotr itself compiles (not cross-coimple) but it doesn't cross-comiple - been trying to figure this and also comipling piding-otr for abt 3 weeks so any help or even tips would be nice |
| 20:16.20 | Farhadix | wait to that time |
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| 20:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | phorce1, which is pretty much enough to discourage anyone trying any brute-force stuff, but unblocks you quick enough when you happen to mistype your password yourself |
| 20:16.45 | ranix | ksnp: are you familiar with automake/autoconf? |
| 20:16.46 | g00se | phorce1: Why not just keep track of how many lines? |
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| 20:16.53 | ksnp | ranix : no |
| 20:17.12 | ksnp | ranix : they all have makefiles and configure scripts, and i am using them only with the instructions in INSTALL |
| 20:17.27 | klbate | What does the "option routers" line in a subnet definition in dhcpd3.conf do? |
| 20:17.27 | ksnp | ranix : i guess you are refering to sth that does even that automatically ? |
| 20:17.30 | ranix | ksnp: the /.configure will try to find a shitton of dependencies in the normal searchpaths, and running it configures it to be installed on your system |
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| 20:17.49 | ksnp | ranix : ok, what does autoconf etc. do ? |
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| 20:18.20 | ranix | ksnp: that ./configure setup is that. generally, you would want to compile an automake/autoconf source tree on the target system |
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| 20:18.36 | ranix | ksnp: it's difficult (I have not done it) to cross-compile someone else's automatically configured stuff |
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| 20:19.17 | ksnp | there is nothing in the instructinos about autoconf, so i guess i'll have to use ./configure only |
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| 20:19.54 | Lexy | How can i make a symlink for /dev/random to /dev/urandom? |
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| 20:19.56 | ranix | /.configure is a script generated by autoconf |
| 20:20.05 | ranix | ./rather |
| 20:20.07 | shyam | just saving /etc/crontab isn't enough to update cron settings? |
| 20:20.10 | cusco | hi |
| 20:20.23 | cusco | how to make crontab editor be nano instead of vi?= |
| 20:20.43 | ranix | you can try using that tutorial, you won't (probably) mangle your Debian install with it since it's for cross-compiling something |
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| 20:20.54 | ranix | might have trouble with the translation and paths unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:21.02 | ranix | I suggest just using mingw32 |
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| 20:21.15 | shyam | well.. i was also on the same point.. i just opened /su::/etc/crontab in emacs and written the needed config and saved it..isn't that enough to run cron? |
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| 20:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | shyam, you normally use crontab -e to do that |
| 20:21.56 | shyam | okay.. /me checking.. |
| 20:21.56 | ksnp | ia m using (trying to use) mingw32 |
| 20:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusco, export EDITOR=/what/you/like |
| 20:22.04 | cusco | ok got it |
| 20:22.11 | ranix | I mean mingw32 on Windows |
| 20:22.12 | ksnp | ranix : i dont' care if i screw up the debian |
| 20:22.13 | cusco | update-alternatives --config crontab |
| 20:22.20 | ksnp | ranix : oh |
| 20:22.21 | cusco | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:22.25 | ksnp | ranix : no instructions for that :) |
| 20:22.44 | ksnp | ranix : would i need cygwin ? |
| 20:22.45 | ranix | like I said, good luck |
| 20:22.53 | ksnp | thanks |
| 20:22.54 | ranix | no, mingw32 is an alternative for cugwin |
| 20:22.57 | ranix | syg |
| 20:22.59 | ranix | whatever |
| 20:23.00 | ksnp | ok |
| 20:23.41 | ranix | if I could compile qemu with it, you can probably compile pidgin with it |
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| 20:23.52 | ranix | although in the end I did wind up cross-compiling it from Debian |
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| 20:24.56 | pjj | hm I have a problem with my system, I think the problem is with dbus (I'm running sid) |
| 20:25.09 | pjj | dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:25.10 | dpkg | pjj: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 20:27.19 | bjorkintosh | is ext4fs better to use than ext3fs? |
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| 20:27.46 | abrotman | that's subjective |
| 20:27.51 | jelly | bjorkintosh: if you have to ask, probably no |
| 20:27.59 | bjorkintosh | fine, i'll google. |
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| 20:29.10 | bjorkintosh | you're right though. |
| 20:29.17 | ranix | if you have to google, probably no |
| 20:29.21 | bjorkintosh | haha |
| 20:29.24 | ranix | don't spend too much time |
| 20:29.25 | ranix | ;) |
| 20:29.34 | bjorkintosh | i'm shopping around for a new fs. |
| 20:29.37 | abrotman | bjorkintosh: if you don't know of a good reason to switch to a less tested filesystem .. why would you? |
| 20:29.53 | bjorkintosh | abrotman, i didn't know it was still under development. |
| 20:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | did some one do "!usb install" using grub and can give me a grub-menu.lst line for the netinst image? |
| 20:30.06 | bjorkintosh | it's the reason i wanted to check first. |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | bjorkintosh: just because it's "released" doesn't mean it's had as much testing as its predecessor |
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| 20:30.35 | ice799 | Arg. |
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| 20:30.48 | ice799 | I can never remember which apt command you use to determine the files in an apt package. |
| 20:30.50 | bjorkintosh | what about bloodymurdererFS err... reiserfs? |
| 20:30.57 | bjorkintosh | ice799, man apt :) |
| 20:31.05 | ice799 | apt is such a pain in the ass. |
| 20:31.12 | bjorkintosh | why not use synaptic then? |
| 20:31.12 | ice799 | I *always* forget how to do this. |
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| 20:31.18 | ice799 | i'm ssh'd in to a box |
| 20:31.27 | bjorkintosh | ah. |
| 20:31.38 | bjorkintosh | you can run an x session can't you? |
| 20:31.43 | bjorkintosh | remote X? |
| 20:31.48 | ice799 | hah no way |
| 20:31.50 | ice799 | it'll be insanely slow. |
| 20:31.54 | ice799 | and i dont have X installed. |
| 20:32.06 | bjorkintosh | ah. |
| 20:32.12 | pjj | so does anyone know if the problem I described is known and if so could point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ice799, "apt-file show"? |
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| 20:35.30 | abrotman | ice799: apt-file list foo-pkg .. or dpkg -L foo-pkg |
| 20:35.45 | ice799 | Yep, got it thanks. |
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| 20:37.18 | Greyscale | Any embedded debian folk around? |
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| 20:41.32 | swathanthran | http://pastebin.ca/1497485 that has a crontab which didn't work.. can anyone have a look? |
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| 20:43.18 | keith4 | swathanthran: what's the idea behind using "*/1"? |
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| 20:43.41 | swathanthran | it should check every minute |
| 20:43.48 | keith4 | swathanthran: cron runs without an ENV, so... no PATH, for example. |
| 20:44.02 | keith4 | swathanthran: dividing something by 1 is pointless, though |
| 20:44.20 | keith4 | "run this for all minutes, every 1 minute" |
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| 20:44.34 | swathanthran | argh yeah.. |
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| 20:44.52 | keith4 | try using full paths to ping, wget, pkill, whatever |
| 20:44.59 | keith4 | or... write scripts instead |
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| 20:45.20 | swathanthran | those are full paths i haven't used any variables there .. |
| 20:45.22 | VerusGla2iator | keith4: speaking about cron, how to make it run every one and a half hour? |
| 20:45.51 | keith4 | VerusGla2iator: no idea |
| 20:45.55 | keith4 | swathanthran: no they're not |
| 20:46.21 | swathanthran | oh yeah the binaries.. ok..\ |
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| 20:47.14 | blouf | ok here is the issue i met on a new debian install |
| 20:47.20 | blouf | it's with alsa drivers |
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| 20:47.27 | blouf | i succeeded getting the sound |
| 20:47.47 | blouf | but weirdly, in the alsa mixer there's no front, no pcm, not master |
| 20:48.10 | blouf | any suggestions ? |
| 20:48.17 | VerusGladiator | I have all that but no sound. |
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| 20:48.34 | blouf | VerusGladiator: ur alsamixer is sexy at least |
| 20:48.42 | VerusGladiator | Yup. |
| 20:48.43 | blouf | mine is wild, sound but nothing to control it |
| 20:48.51 | keith4 | dpkg: alsa one-liner |
| 20:48.51 | dpkg | "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Lenny and Squeeze users with ESS Allegro/Maestro3 devices: ask me about <maestro3>. |
| 20:49.32 | blouf | that thing work ? |
| 20:49.49 | blouf | u sure ? cuz i'm building src again & again |
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| 20:51.02 | C0dpe | Hello, what package should I install to have "make" available? |
| 20:51.51 | blouf | C0dpe: automake |
| 20:51.58 | Gnutoo | hi,is it possible to to make a debian package in gentoo...what's the best way to do that? use a chrooted debian(I've a lot of space but speed is the issue) |
| 20:52.03 | blouf | but get the build-essential one |
| 20:52.05 | C0dpe | Ah thankyou. |
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| 20:52.37 | blouf | Gnutoo: it may be |
| 20:52.46 | themill | Gnutoo: debootstrap can be used to create a debian chroot with all the debian tools you need |
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| 20:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | VerusGladiator, "0 0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21 * * * *" and "30 1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22 * * * *"? |
| 20:53.27 | Gnutoo | themill, ok thanks a lot...will a debian package be compatible at source level with others debian based distributions such as ubuntu and gnewsense? |
| 20:53.29 | VerusGladiator | There is the 'make' package too. |
| 20:53.37 | valdyn | Gnutoo: no |
| 20:53.51 | themill | Gnutoo: yes |
| 20:54.00 | Gnutoo | lol |
| 20:54.05 | valdyn | umm, no |
| 20:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "maybe"? |
| 20:54.14 | Gnutoo | why? |
| 20:54.15 | valdyn | Gnutoo: it will normally be, but you cant just assume it will |
| 20:54.31 | Gnutoo | ok notice that I said source level...not binary |
| 20:54.35 | valdyn | Gnutoo: sure |
| 20:54.38 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:54.40 | valdyn | Gnutoo: depends on the depends |
| 20:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:54.47 | themill | It *should* be, but there can be nasty surprises |
| 20:54.59 | Gnutoo | ah ok if the packages have different names it would be different? |
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| 20:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dependency names will most probably differ |
| 20:55.07 | valdyn | Gnutoo: debian derived dont necessarily use the same naming for packages |
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| 20:55.11 | Gnutoo | ok so it would be easy to adapt |
| 20:55.18 | themill | yes. Particularly for packages that have version numbers in their names |
| 20:55.27 | Gnutoo | ah like ubuntu-1 |
| 20:55.33 | valdyn | Gnutoo: you just need to test it, it will likely be ok |
| 20:55.42 | VerusGladiator | CutMeOwnThroat: they both run every 3 hours, I think. |
| 20:55.44 | themill | no, more like libpng123 etc |
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| 20:55.54 | VerusGladiator | Ah, right. |
| 20:56.01 | VerusGladiator | Thanks. |
| 20:56.12 | valdyn | Gnutoo: source level compatibility is easier than binary anyway and will likely work, but do test it |
| 20:56.14 | C0dpe | Is it possible to color folders in ssh (trhough putty, for examply)? It makes easier to distinguish files/folders.. |
| 20:56.16 | Gnutoo | ok thanks I'll install a chrooted debian,read how to make debian packages and hope it's similar to openembedded,and make it |
| 20:56.20 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:57.04 | valdyn | C0dpe: your shell colors, not the ssh, ssh is irrelevant |
| 20:57.18 | valdyn | C0dpe: ls --color, try and see |
| 20:57.46 | VerusGladiator | I thought there could be something like */1.5 in the hour section. |
| 20:58.16 | valdyn | C0dpe: actually, its the terminal, not the shell either |
| 20:58.41 | C0dpe | I see. Alright, though it was something in the server. Thank you again. |
| 21:00.11 | blouf | has someone ever meet |
| 21:00.13 | blouf | this one |
| 21:00.14 | blouf | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 21:00.22 | blouf | ????????, |
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| 21:00.49 | blouf | come on i won't spend my day on alsa ! |
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| 21:01.23 | VerusGladiator | C0dpe: maybe you want alias ls="ls --color=auto" in your .bashrc |
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| 21:02.30 | C0dpe | VerusGladiator I was searching about how make it in my .profile. Is the same thing? |
| 21:02.47 | VerusGladiator | I think so, not sure. |
| 21:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | VerusGladiator, yes? with a 1.5h shift between them, making it run all 1.5 hours overall? |
| 21:03.06 | C0dpe | alright, thanks. |
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| 21:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | VerusGladiator, I don't think 0 0-23/1.5 * * * * would work |
| 21:03.58 | VerusGladiator | Allright. |
| 21:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | or */1.5 |
| 21:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could of course try |
| 21:04.43 | VerusGladiator | Yup. |
| 21:04.54 | VerusGladiator | I don't need it now. :) |
| 21:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 21:05.16 | VerusGladiator | They were just talking about cron and remembered asking. |
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| 21:06.46 | pappanz_ | hello. does anyone know of a blog (like kmandla's) about trashware, old/used computer resurrection with gnu/linux? |
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| 21:10.03 | alecs1 | hi, is there a function in qalculate to convert from base 10 to arbitrary? |
| 21:10.16 | jelly | VerusGladiator: run it every thirty minutes and check in the job if it's the every-third run or not |
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| 21:10.33 | alecs1 | or is there another nice desktop calculator in Debian? |
| 21:10.35 | chellomere | alecs1, Mode -> Number base -> ... |
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| 21:11.36 | poisonbit | pappanz_, for networked computers, thats not a good idea |
| 21:11.49 | alecs1 | chellomere: thanks :) |
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| 21:12.14 | chellomere | alecs1, you can define both input base and output base! |
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| 21:12.29 | poisonbit | pappanz, for non networked computers, the more easy is to use linux distributions from an era more near to the hardware |
| 21:13.24 | poisonbit | pappanz_, also, you can search about embeded linux, i've here a 386@4mb laptop, with 2.6, busybox and minicom (and a serial cord to other computer) |
| 21:13.37 | pappanz_ | poisonbit, oh, it was only a matter of interest... I want only to know if there was a collection of experiences of that kind... |
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| 21:14.03 | poisonbit | what do you understand by "old" ? :-) |
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| 21:15.15 | pappanz_ | yeah relatively old! <10 years old... I am very interested in hardware reusage... |
| 21:15.46 | poisonbit | pappanz_, that kind of hardware is perfect for thin clients, LTSP, etc |
| 21:16.20 | poisonbit | if his eth can do pxe netboot :-/ |
| 21:16.39 | pappanz_ | yeah, I am simply interested in reading logs of such experiences... |
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| 21:17.22 | poisonbit | pappanz, http://www.tcosproject.org |
| 21:17.40 | poisonbit | if you read spanish, the main developer has a blog |
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| 21:19.27 | poisonbit | pappanz_, also a simple search will give a lot stuff to read: http://www.google.es/search?q=linux+old+hardware |
| 21:20.24 | pappanz_ | poisonbit, thanks. in internet I find dozens of sites that say "how to resurrect an old pc with linux", but nothing like "I found this old computer, I cleaned in this way, then I installed linux, and bla blah blah" |
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| 21:21.07 | poisonbit | he, maybe it's a cool theme for a blog |
| 21:21.42 | pappanz_ | poisonbit, sure... I just need people that give me old computers and a lot of free time! |
| 21:21.56 | poisonbit | you can't pretend to run iceweasel or openoffice in a 32mb pc, but |
| 21:22.21 | poisonbit | it is pretty funny to install it a lenny and do tunning (for a plain text user) |
| 21:22.25 | g00se | pappanz_: A biggish hurdle is that people need a decent browser. Anything decent is a strain on memory-lite old hardware |
| 21:22.36 | poisonbit | also Xorg is |
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| 21:23.04 | SuperMiguel | any one running a usb video card with debian?? |
| 21:23.08 | poisonbit | the only way for do "desktop" use of that hardware... is thin clients |
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| 21:23.17 | klbate | How do I tell NetworkManager to stay away from an interface? |
| 21:23.21 | klbate | I thought it was enough to define it in /etc/network/interfaces, but it still grabbed the eth1 interface as soon as I plugged in the cable (even though it was already configured). |
| 21:23.24 | klbate | I want to use eth1 for a DHCP server and gateway for a subnet, not to connect myself to the internet. |
| 21:23.26 | g00se | poisonbit: Yes |
| 21:24.01 | mhall | Is there a good tool for connecting to a remote MS SQL server from within Debian on the commandline? Something akin to what the 'mysql' binary does for 'mysql'? |
| 21:24.03 | pappanz_ | g00se, you're right... however we've got good lightweight browsers (kazehakase, midori), but it's true, it's not like using iceweasel |
| 21:24.07 | poisonbit | klbate, for a gateway, i use to not install network manager |
| 21:24.09 | valdyn | klbate: remove allow-hotplug anyway, set the interface on auto |
| 21:24.24 | mhall | NetworkManager is *not* your friend. |
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| 21:24.46 | valdyn | klbate: and read the readome in /usr/share/doc/network-manager, it explains this clearly |
| 21:24.47 | klbate | poisonbit: But it's on my laptop, and I like NetworkManager for everything else. The gateway will just be on occasionally. |
| 21:25.01 | klbate | valdyn: Ah, I had left an allow-hotplug in there. Thanks. |
| 21:25.05 | pappanz_ | if I lived in Portland I would collaborate with Free Geeks and have my blog! |
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| 21:25.14 | mhall | On my testing LAN where I deliberately configured DHCP with NO default router it "helpfully adds" a default router and breaks everybody's Internet connectivity on their primary network adapter. I hate that program with a passion. |
| 21:25.17 | g00se | pappanz_: I certainly haven't heard of those... |
| 21:25.35 | poisonbit | mhall, sqsh ? |
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| 21:25.46 | pappanz_ | g00se, it's a great, massive trashware project: http://www.freegeek.org/ |
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| 21:27.13 | g00se | pappanz_: I mean those browsers you mentioned |
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| 21:28.20 | poisonbit | pappanz_, thats cool, but if you doesn't live in portland, etc, maybe you can do a blog, with wath you do :) |
| 21:28.20 | poisonbit | pappanz_, is more funny to (read and then) do than to only read :) |
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| 21:28.49 | pappanz_ | poisonbit, absolutely right! |
| 21:29.00 | poisonbit | remember himself tuning the 386@4mb in 2008 to act as terminal |
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| 21:29.08 | pappanz_ | :D |
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| 21:31.00 | poisonbit | embdebian runs on i386 ? wath is the minimal hardware that it runs ? |
| 21:31.13 | Daviey | Hi, is there anywhere i can easily view reasons for original source packages being changed to meet DFSG guidelines? |
| 21:31.29 | klbate | Hm, removing allow-hotplug didn't work. |
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| 21:32.06 | klbate | NetworkManager still grabs the interface, sends a DHCP request (which goes back to the DHCP server running on the _same_ interface), gets an IP number, and reconfigures the interface. |
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| 21:33.45 | poisonbit | Daviey, I usually follow mail lists and planet.debian.org, anyway... http://packages.debian.org/changelogs ? |
| 21:34.36 | hark | klbate: which version of debian? |
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| 21:35.50 | poisonbit | klbate, did you configure the interface as "manual" in network manager ? |
| 21:36.10 | Daviey | poisonbit: thanks.. i was searching debian-legal.. but i guess the changelogs are a good place.. thanks :) |
| 21:36.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 21:36.37 | cyc | hi there, I've just made dist-upgrade from etch to lenny and I have problems with amavisd-new package. Everything seems to "hang" at "Creating/updating amavis user account...". I've found out that deleting amavis user should solve this problem ... but it looks the problem isn't gone |
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| 21:36.44 | cyc | has anyone a clue? |
| 21:36.49 | Snadder | How come I get: "../../../../../../src/libjava/classpath/native/plugin/gcjwebplugin.cc:978: thread 0x8740b70: Error: Failed to read line from whitelist file.".. When I install and use the package java-gcj-compat-plugin for firefox? |
| 21:37.19 | Snadder | i'm on debian lenny |
| 21:37.29 | cantoma | is there any list of online radios compatible with linux?! I am getting frustrated to see so many portuguese online radio's asking me for media player |
| 21:37.32 | jimcooncat | cyc: guessing that there are files still around with the old user ID. |
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| 21:38.17 | klbate | poisonbit: Didn't touch NetworkManager, I assumed it would look in /etc/network/interfaces and ignore any interfaces defined there. |
| 21:38.30 | MadMoney | starts trolling about g++ being included in build-essential. |
| 21:39.06 | MadMoney | j/k, I need it to build something. |
| 21:39.25 | Snadder | !report bug |
| 21:39.25 | dpkg | hmm... reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
| 21:39.33 | klbate | hark: Testing. |
| 21:39.36 | valdyn | Snadder: that plugin sucks, use the java plugin from openjdk or from sun |
| 21:39.36 | g00se | Snadder: fwiw i use icedtea-gcjwebplugin without problem with iceweasel on Lenny |
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| 21:40.00 | cyc | jimcooncat ok ... I've tried dpkg --purge amavisd-new. But this "removing amavis files and directories" still isn't finished :/ |
| 21:40.05 | cusco | MadMoney: how do I build a .c file that what it does is system('bash script.sh'); |
| 21:40.06 | hark | klbate: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 21:40.08 | DetroitLibertyPe | msg dpkg |
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| 21:40.16 | cusco | what is teh syntax? what must be in that .c file? |
| 21:40.23 | asg | cusco: ask #c |
| 21:40.28 | valdyn | cusco: why the hell compile it at all? |
| 21:40.38 | MadMoney | cusco: gcc -o pointlessprogram pointlessprogram.c |
| 21:40.40 | jimcooncat | cyc, I gotta go home now, but I would guess the "find" command is your friend here |
| 21:40.51 | efaistos | hey 1) does anyone use a macbook with a debian on it ? and 2) does anyone use cheese or ekiga and gets a green screen ? |
| 21:40.54 | MadMoney | Also, ' should be " |
| 21:40.55 | cusco | valdyn: gnome always asks if I want to display or run |
| 21:41.05 | cusco | valdyn: it seems taht it can't just run it |
| 21:41.19 | cusco | MadMoney: what must be in it? |
| 21:41.25 | valdyn | cusco: what the hell does that have to do with anything? |
| 21:41.26 | cusco | besides teh system() |
| 21:41.33 | MadMoney | cusco: system ("whatever"); |
| 21:41.41 | poisonbit | continues trolling about python being needed to run openvpn |
| 21:41.42 | MadMoney | That is a string literal. |
| 21:41.44 | cusco | valdyn: I just remembered to ask as MadMoney was going on about it |
| 21:41.48 | valdyn | cusco: make a gnome runable icon with "bash script.sh" in it |
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| 21:41.58 | klbate | hark: Hm, OK. Weird that NetworkManager tried to get a new IP address in managed even though I had the interface set to static in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:42.03 | klbate | tries switching to unmanaged mode. |
| 21:42.16 | poisonbit | efaistos, i've a macbook unibody with lenny (but 2.6.30.1 kernel) and cheese runs fine |
| 21:42.18 | asg | poisonbit: file a bug (thought this has been discussed) or compile openvpn from source |
| 21:42.24 | cusco | valdyn: how? if you mean a .desktop file it can't find its own pwd |
| 21:42.28 | MadMoney | Or just set your script to use /bin/bash as an interpreter instead of /bin/sh |
| 21:42.40 | jimcooncat | klbate: I always had to uninstall Network Manager to keep a static ip. |
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| 21:42.46 | cusco | MadMoney: what else besides the system line to produce a binary? |
| 21:42.48 | efaistos | poisonbit: with isight-firmware-tools ? and isight module ? |
| 21:42.55 | valdyn | cusco: rightclick desktop, select "new starter" or similar |
| 21:43.04 | klbate | Eh. It already _is_ in unmanaged mode. |
| 21:43.04 | poisonbit | asg, i was thinking this evening in port the openssl-blacklist to .pl or to .sh and send the patch |
| 21:43.09 | efaistos | poisonbit: i'll try that new kernel maybe 2.6.30 here |
| 21:43.13 | cusco | valdyn: it can't find its own $PWD |
| 21:43.19 | efaistos | s/30/29 |
| 21:43.20 | Snadder | g00se, The icedtea-gcjwebplugin didnt work for me.. I get a grey screen. |
| 21:43.27 | valdyn | cusco: cd /path/to/whereverthehell |
| 21:43.35 | MadMoney | cusco: #!/bin/bash in the script |
| 21:43.40 | poisonbit | efaistos, yes, if i remember well, i had to take the firmware form the osx partition |
| 21:43.41 | Snadder | g00se, and it says: Start: applet not initialized |
| 21:43.46 | asg | poisonbit: there you go |
| 21:43.50 | MadMoney | No need to make such a pointless C program. |
| 21:43.51 | hark | klbate: then dunno |
| 21:44.11 | g00se | Snadder: That could be a problem with the applet, not the plugin |
| 21:44.13 | klbate | Do I have to restart NetworkManager if I have edited /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:44.14 | MadMoney | cusco: You need to set $PWD to the proper value. |
| 21:44.19 | mhall | poisonbit: thanks for the lead on sqsh, i am looking into it |
| 21:44.26 | cusco | valdyn: the path should be wherever the zip file is extracted with the script in that dir.... it could depend on the user |
| 21:44.32 | MadMoney | Or it has to be set by the shell. |
| 21:44.33 | efaistos | poisonbit: yeah I've already done that ... it works well except the green screen ;( |
| 21:44.33 | cusco | so I cannot set a absolute path |
| 21:44.34 | Snadder | valdyn, whats the package names of those plugins? |
| 21:44.35 | g00se | Snadder: What's the url? |
| 21:44.53 | cusco | MadMoney: as I said, I can't |
| 21:44.53 | Snadder | g00se, its the facebook.com picture upload |
| 21:44.58 | MadMoney | wayttd @ cusco |
| 21:44.58 | valdyn | Snadder: icedtea something or for sun's sun-java6-plugin |
| 21:45.02 | MadMoney | !wayttd @ cusco |
| 21:45.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, @ cusco? |
| 21:45.36 | Snadder | valdyn, E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin |
| 21:45.46 | valdyn | Snadder: are you on amd64? |
| 21:45.47 | cusco | MadMoney: distribute an easy way for people to access our internal software, so a script running that software is good |
| 21:45.54 | valdyn | Snadder: sun-java5-plugin too |
| 21:45.57 | Snadder | valdyn, no |
| 21:46.08 | MadMoney | But a C progra must encapsulate the system() call in int main { }, cusco. |
| 21:46.11 | hark | klbate: yes, using killall nm-system-settings |
| 21:46.27 | Snadder | valdyn, nopes.. Cant see that package eather |
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| 21:46.35 | MadMoney | cusco: Are you trying to make sure that bash is used to run the script? |
| 21:46.36 | valdyn | Snadder: that is in nonfree |
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| 21:46.43 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 21:46.44 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:46.52 | MadMoney | cusco: If the script is chmod +e, you should be able to run it. |
| 21:46.57 | Snadder | valdyn, ah. OK |
| 21:46.59 | valdyn | +x |
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| 21:47.07 | cusco | MadMoney: it takes me all this blah and everybody else debating my issue, «and then movving on to anybody elses's issue for you to answer the original C question |
| 21:47.08 | MadMoney | valdyn: Right, +x is proper. |
| 21:47.24 | cusco | valdyn: yes, it still asks whether to display or run |
| 21:47.27 | MadMoney | cusco: Don't complain if you want help. |
| 21:47.28 | swathanthran | no idea whats going wrong with this crontab http://pastebin.ca/1497538 can anyone please check? |
| 21:47.36 | efaistos | upgrade to 2.6.30 |
| 21:47.37 | cusco | MadMoney: Im not complaining |
| 21:47.44 | cusco | just stating what happened |
| 21:47.50 | MadMoney | cusco: What is the interpreter set to in the script? #!/bin/sh ? |
| 21:47.51 | valdyn | cusco: no if you create the starter how i told you |
| 21:47.58 | klbate | Ah! Now NetworkManager doesn't do anything when the physical link is detected. |
| 21:48.03 | klbate | That's good. |
| 21:48.04 | cusco | MadMoney: it is set to bash |
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| 21:48.16 | valdyn | !# is irrelevant |
| 21:48.16 | dpkg | ...but # is already something else... |
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| 21:48.26 | cusco | valdyn: as i said, it can't find its own $PWD wich may vary from machine to machine |
| 21:48.37 | valdyn | your nautilus is asking to run or open -> create a starter which will unambigously always try to run its command |
| 21:48.42 | asg | swathanthran: what happens, or fails to happen? |
| 21:48.57 | swathanthran | asg: the wget didn't work.. |
| 21:49.07 | MadMoney | valdyn: No it isn't irrlevant. |
| 21:49.11 | swathanthran | asg: i was expecting it to download for one minute. |
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| 21:49.23 | cusco | valdyn: the run.sh will use a flag to load a file in the same dir, in that launcher I must specify the path to that file |
| 21:49.43 | glottie | Small question - I'm on an XP desktop, (a 250 GB drive; 5 partitions, each being about 75% filled). Will the Debian installer resize the partitions appropriately to make space? Is getting a dual-boot pretty simple? |
| 21:49.53 | MadMoney | cusco: Is it +x in permissions? |
| 21:49.59 | cusco | MadMoney: yes |
| 21:50.27 | swathanthran | i don't know why cron is such a shit! i am behind it for one hour and yet to get a single sample thing working!! |
| 21:50.35 | MadMoney | You could just open a terminal and run it from the shell. |
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| 21:50.52 | dfinn__ | I'm having the exact same problem as this person was (http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg74183.html) but on a RHEL server. I tried asking over there and didn't get a response. Hoping maybe someone on here would be willing to help me out as this has me stumped. |
| 21:50.53 | cusco | our users do not know how to do that |
| 21:51.02 | klbate | hark: Thanks for the help, I should be able to get it working now. |
| 21:51.10 | g00se | glottie: The installer won't do it automatically |
| 21:51.11 | asg | swathanthran: anything in /var/log/syslog? |
| 21:51.12 | MadMoney | Then they should be using Windows. |
| 21:51.21 | dfinn__ | oops, the first part of that got cut off. I'm having the same problem as this person was : http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg74183.html |
| 21:51.21 | cusco | MadMoney: no money |
| 21:51.31 | MadMoney | cusco: Make a shortcut to /bin/bash myscript.sh (however you do that in your file manager GUI) |
| 21:51.33 | cusco | we can't afford the licenses |
| 21:51.42 | g00se | glottie: You need to organise your partitions first really |
| 21:51.59 | cusco | MadMoney: i did, it setill won't know its own $PWD |
| 21:52.10 | MadMoney | Ah. |
| 21:52.32 | glottie | g00se, the thing is that I'm using http://goodbye-microsoft.com/demo.html installer (because I don't have a working CD-DVD drive). I was hoping to get over all of this without needing a disc (like GParted, or whatever) |
| 21:52.41 | g00se | cusco: echo $(dirname $0) |
| 21:52.58 | swathanthran | asg: some mail is sent i think.. where is root's mail spool file? |
| 21:53.00 | cusco | g00se: I don't know the dirname, it may change from computer to computer |
| 21:53.16 | asg | swathanthran: usually in /var/mail unless you aliased it somewhere else |
| 21:53.30 | g00se | cusco: dirname is a command, not a placeholder |
| 21:53.40 | Snadder | valdyn, thanks alot.. works now :-) |
| 21:53.40 | g00se | (bash builtin) |
| 21:53.41 | MadMoney | cusco: Here's a C program that will run a script in the current directory: #include <stdlib.h> int main (int argc, int **argv) { system("script.sh"); exit(0); } |
| 21:53.41 | cusco | oh is it, let me see |
| 21:53.53 | swathanthran | asg: /var/mail don't have root here just news and my other username.. |
| 21:53.59 | cusco | that was not so hard was it MadMoney ? |
| 21:54.03 | cusco | thanks MadMoney |
| 21:54.09 | MadMoney | Fuck you. |
| 21:54.22 | cusco | I will still look into g00se dirname |
| 21:54.27 | MadMoney | Don't complain and it is a horrible way to fix the problem. |
| 21:54.42 | g00se | cusco: Not hard and not necessary |
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| 21:54.51 | asg | swathanthran: if you comment out the 'pkill' line, does it work? |
| 21:54.58 | cusco | MadMoney: as i sad, I am not complaining, just stating a observed set of happenings |
| 21:55.08 | sshc | hi. I can't checkout with svn anymore |
| 21:55.21 | MadMoney | Which looks like complaining. Now you have a C program running a shell script. |
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| 21:55.40 | efaistos | poisonbit: still the same even with the 2.6.30 |
| 21:55.42 | efaistos | :( |
| 21:55.44 | swathanthran | asg: checking with a trivial one.. damnn its high time i see it working some how... |
| 21:56.02 | sshc | SVN is giving me the error "svn: OPTIONS of http://url/: could not connect connect to server (url)" |
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| 21:56.33 | swathanthran | asg: isn't it ok to set the time for 3:30 by 3:29? or should i keep 1 or 2 minutes before time set on crontab? |
| 21:56.42 | MadMoney | You should read man bash |
| 21:56.45 | cusco | I am thankfull, as I expressed earlier, MadMoney |
| 21:57.00 | g00se | glottie: You should be able to do a fair amount with XP itself |
| 21:57.02 | DetroitLibertyPe | man bash! |
| 21:57.21 | poisonbit | efaistos, did you follow the debian-wiki steps ? |
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| 21:57.24 | cusco | have you read it DetroitLibertyPe ? it has 4924 lines |
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| 21:57.34 | fefo | DetroitLibertyPe: No manual entry for bash! |
| 21:57.36 | fefo | :PPP |
| 21:57.41 | glottie | g00se, oh, I was thinking that myself. would you happen to know of the utility with which I can shrink existing partitions to make free space? |
| 21:58.03 | Snadder | valdyn, the applet works untill the point that the facebook picture uploader is trying to upload some pictures.. and fails |
| 21:58.03 | glottie | g00se, or, how I can access it in XP? I've been scouring through the control panel and can't spot anything relevant |
| 21:58.17 | efaistos | poisonbit: yeah ;) |
| 21:58.19 | dfinn__ | anyone care to take a shot at this NFS permissions issue I'm having with ldap users and groups? |
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| 21:58.57 | MadMoney | cusco: You don't have to read 4096 lines to find what is relevant. |
| 21:59.03 | poisonbit | efaistos, my model is alluminium (unibody), have you the same or the last model ? |
| 21:59.12 | MadMoney | I can skim over it in less than five minutes. |
| 21:59.13 | poisonbit | efaistos, see the note in the wiki: "In the initial black MacBook, it doesn't work." |
| 21:59.23 | g00se | glottie: Try going into Disk Management |
| 21:59.37 | valdyn | Snadder: thats just what i came to expect from linux java plugins |
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| 22:00.38 | klbate | Right, now I just need to setup a NAT rule and a forwarding nameserver. Any recommendations for that? |
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| 22:00.51 | efaistos | poisonbit: i have the first white macbook ... |
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| 22:01.16 | themill | !dbugs 531338 |
| 22:01.20 | dpkg | DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC [] |
| 22:01.22 | themill | sshc: ^^ |
| 22:01.26 | mhall | How can I repair mixed UNIX, DOS, and MAC line endings in a file? dos2unix, unix2dos, and flip do not seem to support fixing this. Is there another tool which can do the job right? |
| 22:01.37 | swathanthran | asg: /var/spool/mqueue/.. has one file saying "/bin/sh: root not found" |
| 22:01.55 | g00se | glottie: afaik it allows limited shrinking/growing |
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| 22:02.11 | MadMoney | mhall: You could write a program to do it. |
| 22:02.24 | MadMoney | mhall: Or use a regular expression in vi. |
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| 22:02.33 | themill | mhall: tr or perl will do it for you. |
| 22:02.50 | beardy | or sed |
| 22:03.04 | MadMoney | You could use a regular expression to kill all of the ^M (dec 13) chars at the end of each line. |
| 22:03.22 | MadMoney | Ditto for other line endins. |
| 22:03.25 | g00se | mhall: What should the result be? |
| 22:03.46 | pasteeater | www-data is creating multiple files in /tmp such as dos-92.241.182.24. what are these? |
| 22:03.58 | MadMoney | assumes UNIX terminated 'n' |
| 22:04.07 | MadMoney | So, 10 |
| 22:04.10 | mhall | g00se: UNIX |
| 22:04.12 | beardy | pasteeater: Depends what you are running/hosting with your webserver. |
| 22:04.14 | swathanthran | asg: is it ok to just edit /etc/crontab to set the crontab file for root? |
| 22:04.39 | mhall | g00se: but it doesn't matter as long as they are consistent when done |
| 22:04.40 | asg | swathanthran: you can or you can do 'crontab -e' as root to edit root's crontab |
| 22:04.53 | mhall | g00se: if the result were dos i could run a final pass through dos2unix at the end |
| 22:05.01 | pasteeater | beardy: i could have asked anything and you could have given me that answer. |
| 22:05.02 | beardy | pasteeater: Something you are hosting is creating it anyway, through your webserver, that is run by www-data. |
| 22:05.03 | asg | swathanthran: the latter is cleaner since system updates could conflict with your changes to /etc/crontab |
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| 22:05.09 | themill | You can't just kill the ^M though if there are old-style mac line endings there |
| 22:05.12 | beardy | pasteeater: Oh really. Sod off then. |
| 22:05.27 | pasteeater | beardy: heh. don't be like that. |
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| 22:06.08 | asg | swathanthran: I often find that the best way to solve cron issues is to write a script that does what you want and run _that_ from cron. |
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| 22:07.18 | RadSurfer | I am trying to find the proper graphics driver, can someone Please assist me: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17GL [Quadro NVS] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])" |
| 22:07.23 | pasteeater | beardy: i bet it's that damned RoR site |
| 22:07.29 | MadMoney | I prefer saying "fuck off" over sod off. Much more direct. |
| 22:07.44 | MadMoney | Euphemism treadmills suck. |
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| 22:08.31 | abrotman | RadSurfer: supposedly the 'nv' driver should work .. not sure what you mean by 'proper' |
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| 22:08.47 | pasteeater | MadMoney: but it also depends where you are from. don't say "fanny pack" in the UK for instance |
| 22:08.55 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:08.56 | RadSurfer | its a nvidia 96xx type driver package, can I find one for debian? |
| 22:09.17 | RadSurfer | I can't run Stellarium, so its not liking the video |
| 22:09.29 | MadMoney | pasteeaterL hahahaha |
| 22:09.53 | g00se | mhall: sed -ir 's/[\r\n]+/\n/g' should do it |
| 22:09.55 | MadMoney | should probably check channel policy. |
| 22:09.59 | BoltPower21 | I need my head clairified, when creating a filesystem has nothing to do with partition type correct? |
| 22:10.04 | pasteeater | well, thanks anyway. i suppose I'll "sod off" and go wanker some gloobey blompkins. aye, chap. tarry forth! |
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| 22:10.44 | BoltPower21 | mean when running the tools to create a FS, those tools don't look at the partition type code? |
| 22:11.06 | craigevil | RadSurfer: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx is in sid |
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| 22:11.38 | RadSurfer | what is "sid" ? |
| 22:11.41 | RadSurfer | oh |
| 22:12.10 | g00se | BoltPower21: They probably would but tias |
| 22:12.30 | abrotman | RadSurfer: your card is pretty old .. i'd imagine the driver in lenny supports it just fine |
| 22:12.52 | klbate | If I want to set up a forwarding nameserver on eth1 which should forward to whatever the default nameserver currently is, how would I do that? |
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| 22:13.16 | RadSurfer | I am not finding that... why do I type in search? |
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| 22:13.47 | abrotman | finding what? |
| 22:13.52 | RadSurfer | that driver |
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| 22:14.16 | niceuser | Hello |
| 22:14.37 | RadSurfer | I could check xorg.conf, and see whats in there now -- logically :-) |
| 22:14.40 | abrotman | RadSurfer: do you have the contrib/non-free sections enabled ? |
| 22:14.49 | thrashold | I'm using using pppd with pon/poff. Can anyone tell me how to make pppd add the peer as a defaultroute? |
| 22:14.50 | niceuser | if I use LVM to make one big volume and one of my hard drives fails do I just lose the data on that drive or the whole server wont boot up? |
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| 22:15.08 | thrashold | I have both defaultroute and replacedefaultroute options in my /etc/ppp/peers/XXX file |
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| 22:15.17 | thrashold | but when I connect, I have no default route |
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| 22:15.41 | RadSurfer | there is no xorg.conf, lol |
| 22:15.48 | abrotman | thrashold: you probably want the 'defaultroute' option |
| 22:15.52 | abrotman | RadSurfer: do you have the contrib/non-free sections enabled ? |
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| 22:16.00 | RadSurfer | I think so. |
| 22:16.04 | thrashold | abrotman: I have it, but still nobody |
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| 22:16.15 | niceuser | abortman: .... |
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| 22:16.24 | niceuser | abortman: if I use LVM to make one big volume and one of my hard drives fails do I just lose the data on that drive or the whole server wont boot up? |
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| 22:16.28 | RadSurfer | "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx" |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | RadSurfer: do you have the contrib/non-free sections enabled ? |
| 22:16.40 | themill | judd versions nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 22:16.40 | judd | themill: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx -- lenny/non-free: 96.43.07-2 sid/non-free: 96.43.07-2 squeeze/non-free: 96.43.07-2 |
| 22:16.47 | DrSlony | rsxje = buc |
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| 22:16.52 | abrotman | RadSurfer: i'm going to keep asking you until you answer |
| 22:16.53 | RadSurfer | if apt-get can't find it... |
| 22:16.55 | abrotman | niceuser: why are you asking me ? |
| 22:17.00 | RadSurfer | doesn't that mean no? |
| 22:17.03 | themill | RadSurfer: did you run "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list? |
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| 22:17.07 | abrotman | !tell RadSurfer about contrib |
| 22:17.09 | RadSurfer | Yes I did. |
| 22:17.10 | abrotman | !tell RadSurfer about non-free |
| 22:17.16 | niceuser | abrotman: You know right |
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| 22:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | friggn hell, there's again ethernet cards around that have no driver in the normal kernel? |
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| 22:19.41 | RadSurfer | I have "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main " and "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main", isn't that suffiicient? |
| 22:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | intel-82567-LM3 ... |
| 22:20.08 | themill | RadSurfer: which part of that is "contrib" or "non-free"? Did you read what dpkg just told you? |
| 22:20.16 | RadSurfer | Ok. |
| 22:20.18 | niceuser | you got some fancy network card there probably |
| 22:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought those times are over and you don't have to take care about what network card anymore |
| 22:20.22 | themill | RadSurfer: Oh, and mixing sid and lenny like that is going to end in tears |
| 22:20.23 | BoltPower21 | I guess my real question is partition type code and the formated filesystems have nothing to do with each other? Right? |
| 22:20.50 | stew | BoltPower21: right |
| 22:20.54 | craigevil | RadSurfer: all you need is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 22:21.24 | Snadder | valdyn, on ubuntu the sun-java6-plugin package worked with facebook photo upload |
| 22:21.40 | thrashold | Damn, I wish GNU/Linux was like 10 years ago when it worked... These days I stuggle to find anything that works at all :() |
| 22:22.04 | abrotman | or you're doing it wrong |
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| 22:24.40 | inchworm | question: I've been getting a kerneloops, but I don't know what oops. I'm running Lenny. How can I see the report? |
| 22:25.05 | RadSurfer | mission accomplished: 96xx installed :-) |
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| 22:25.22 | Schuenemann | hi |
| 22:25.28 | inchworm | yo |
| 22:25.34 | Schuenemann | how do I prevent a process to keep starting every reboot? |
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| 22:25.42 | Schuenemann | mysql is the one I mean |
| 22:26.04 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 22:26.24 | beardy | Do not install it. |
| 22:26.31 | inchworm | heh |
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| 22:27.14 | RadSurfer | I would think I might have to reboot after installing graphic drivers.... restart X ? |
| 22:27.30 | Schuenemann | abrotman, stop means it won't start again automatically? |
| 22:27.31 | beardy | RadSurfer: Only restart X, yes. |
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| 22:27.47 | beardy | Sigh. |
| 22:28.00 | inchworm | beardy: wonder if he modprobed the kernel driver first :) |
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| 22:28.33 | beardy | inchworm: I'm sure we'll find out shortly. |
| 22:28.46 | inchworm | hehe |
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| 22:31.29 | RadSurfer | ouch. Now stellarium is incorrectly reporting "video card does not support OpenGL", which is wrong |
| 22:31.53 | RadSurfer | and the video is messed up now :( |
| 22:32.13 | RadSurfer | I have the 96xx driver installed in Mandriva, and it provides 30 frames-per-second from Stellarium |
| 22:32.30 | RadSurfer | Debian's nvidia 96xx driver must really be different somehow? |
| 22:33.09 | inchworm | RadSurfer: do you have the right drivers working? |
| 22:33.31 | abrotman | RadSurfer: or you didn't set it up correctly |
| 22:33.38 | inchworm | RadSurfer: the top of the info from glxinfo should say NVidia somewhere |
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| 22:34.47 | RadSurfer | sighs. My screen is screwed up now :( |
| 22:34.59 | RadSurfer | how do I configure this now? |
| 22:35.42 | RadSurfer | more to the point how do I REMOVE this 96xx and go back to what I had? |
| 22:35.46 | abrotman | RadSurfer: 'lsmod' .. is the nvidia kernel module loaded ? |
| 22:35.58 | mischief | does iptables have high overhead? |
| 22:36.07 | abrotman | depends what you're doing with it |
| 22:36.44 | mischief | preventing DDoS attacks |
| 22:36.45 | RadSurfer | 'lsmod | grep nvidia' returns a blank prompt |
| 22:36.51 | mischief | my main concern is memory use, abrotman |
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| 22:37.26 | g00se | glottie: Had forgotten about that goodbye stuff - looks good |
| 22:37.35 | RadSurfer | how do I reverse this? |
| 22:38.11 | hark | RadSurfer: what does lspci -v say for the driver in use? |
| 22:38.36 | RadSurfer | Kernel modules: nvidiafb |
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| 22:39.57 | RadSurfer | strange how a similar named driver can work great in another distro. |
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| 22:40.35 | themill | there's probably nothing wrong with the driver here |
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| 22:40.52 | RadSurfer | well this card certainly does support OpenGL |
| 22:40.59 | hark | RadSurfer: edit xorg.conf and add nvidia there |
| 22:41.23 | themill | you're not actually using the driver though, as several people have pointed out |
| 22:41.23 | abrotman | RadSurfer: perhaps if what i asked you to look for, is missing, you might want to do something about that ? |
| 22:41.23 | RadSurfer | xorg.conf was a blank (empty) file before |
| 22:41.26 | RadSurfer | what is missing? |
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| 22:41.30 | hark | or pastebin your xorg log file |
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| 22:42.26 | RadSurfer | here you go: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-07-11 23:49 /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:42.37 | beardy | :) |
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| 22:42.52 | beardy | toggles the handholding switch |
| 22:42.52 | RadSurfer | And for your next trick? |
| 22:43.25 | RadSurfer | so how is this UNdone? |
| 22:43.43 | abrotman | shouldn't a reboot load the kernel module and the correct X driver ? |
| 22:44.01 | RadSurfer | I logged out/in, didn't restart yet |
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| 22:44.09 | themill | probably. Not always for non-free drivers though, from what I've seen |
| 22:44.21 | RadSurfer | I'll be back. Restarting. Grrrr! |
| 22:44.24 | hark | don'tink you'd need a reboot |
| 22:44.36 | RadSurfer | Please help me restore what I had; at least it wasn't messing up screen |
| 22:44.56 | beardy | RadSurfer: You need to make sure the kernel module is loaded, if not, modprobe it. And also restart X completely. |
| 22:45.01 | beardy | Aha. |
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| 22:45.27 | abrotman | hark: yeah .. don't need .. but in this case, probably easier |
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| 22:46.11 | themill | hark: reboot reduces the influence of the thing between keyboard and chair |
| 22:46.34 | beardy | I'll just go bang my head against a wall instead. |
| 22:46.52 | hark | well, it's obvious from that lspci he's not using the nvidia driver yet |
| 22:47.01 | themill | yep |
| 22:47.17 | BoltPower21 | for throwing on the handholding switch? |
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| 22:48.52 | RadSurfer | It still says "System does not support OpenGL", which is wrong. |
| 22:48.57 | RadSurfer | So how do I UNdo this? |
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| 22:49.16 | abrotman | RadSurfer: if you lsmod .. do you see an nvidia driver ? |
| 22:49.22 | RadSurfer | Debian is not one to generate xorg.conf ? |
| 22:49.27 | RadSurfer | no, I did not |
| 22:49.30 | abrotman | RadSurfer: if you lsmod .. do you see an nvidia driver ? |
| 22:49.41 | RadSurfer | you want the pastebin? |
| 22:49.45 | beardy | Yes. |
| 22:49.48 | abrotman | RadSurfer: and if you `dpkg -l | grep nvidia` .. how many lines are there ? |
| 22:49.59 | abrotman | or even .. what are they |
| 22:50.10 | RadSurfer | hang on, all in pastebin, a moment |
| 22:50.17 | hark | RadSurfer: of your xorg log file or lspci -v as well if you can |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | lspci -nnk ? |
| 22:50.56 | beardy | hark: lspci will not change, regardless of what kernel modules he has, will it? |
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| 22:51.49 | hark | beardy: it's a quick way of finding the kernel driver in use |
| 22:51.58 | abrotman | that's lspci -nnk |
| 22:52.10 | beardy | Alright. |
| 22:52.12 | RadSurfer | http://pastebin.com/m247367bf |
| 22:52.17 | hark | abrotman: -k is nice and short :) |
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| 22:52.31 | sylarr | high cpu usage by network manager, anyone knwos? |
| 22:53.30 | abrotman | hark: yes, it is .. but i like seeing the pciid etc |
| 22:54.28 | hark | abrotman: yeah, i meant instead of v |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:55.00 | RadSurfer | (any verdicts yet?) |
| 22:55.17 | mischief | hey can anyone tell me how i can set a rate limit on ALL ports in iptables? |
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| 22:55.26 | abrotman | RadSurfer: modprobe nvidia .. restart X |
| 22:55.50 | beardy | Does agpgart conflict with the nvidia driver nowadays too? Or.. does it provide it's own (many years ago). How can it list the kernel module if it's not loaded, with lspci? |
| 22:56.14 | RadSurfer | to start X means to "log off" and back on again? |
| 22:56.22 | beardy | !restart x |
| 22:56.22 | dpkg | Don't reboot, just restart X. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace if you are logged in (not working? Ask me about <dontzap>). '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
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| 22:57.55 | beardy | mischief: Try in #iptables too. |
| 22:58.13 | mischief | uh okay :s |
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| 22:58.26 | RadSurfer | "system does not support OpenGL" which is wrong |
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| 22:59.11 | hark | RadSurfer: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:00.59 | RadSurfer | http://pastebin.com/m2091ccd5 (both are there) |
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| 23:01.42 | hark | ok, you're using the nv driver |
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| 23:03.09 | RadSurfer | ick |
| 23:03.13 | hark | you'll have to modify your xorg.conf and set nvidia there |
| 23:03.20 | RadSurfer | why is there no xorg.conf? |
| 23:03.36 | hark | !drxx |
| 23:03.36 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 23:04.45 | beardy | RadSurfer: Because it autodetects everything. (And in these cases, wrongly. It's still using the nv driver for you, which is what you have to change to nvidia.) |
| 23:05.32 | abrotman | should he put 'nvidia' in /etc/modules ? |
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| 23:06.34 | hark | i think you can also use nvidia-settings to write an xorg.conf for you |
| 23:06.42 | RadSurfer | I ran "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and now have a crisp brand spanking NEW 0-byte xorg.conf. Impressive. |
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| 23:07.07 | abrotman | guess he didn't read the whole factoid |
| 23:07.08 | hark | RadSurfer: read the last line in the factoid |
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| 23:07.16 | themill | RadSurfer: have another go at reading what dpkg said |
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| 23:07.48 | beardy | abrotman: I'd hope modprobe does that. But I'm not sure.. |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | he never said if it worked |
| 23:08.18 | abrotman | or if it was actually loaded |
| 23:08.27 | RadSurfer | me now getting confused. |
| 23:08.42 | beardy | Then RadSurfer should do a new 'lsmod' and look for "nvidia". |
| 23:09.38 | RadSurfer | nvidia 4701136 0 ;; 2c_core 19828 2 nvidia,i2c_viapro ;; agpgart 28776 2 nvidia,via_agp ;; |
| 23:09.46 | hark | even if it didn't, i'd think that X should load it for you if it's specified in your xorg.conf |
| 23:10.04 | RadSurfer | Impression I'm getting, this is hosed now? |
| 23:10.15 | beardy | RadSurfer: Not at all. Have some faith. |
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| 23:11.48 | RadSurfer | http://pastebin.com/m1142ac04 |
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| 23:12.44 | beardy | RadSurfer: Run 'X -configure > ~/new_xorg.conf', look at it, edit it, substitute "nv" with "nvidia", and put it in place as xorg.conf |
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| 23:13.37 | RadSurfer | you can't do that without being in runlevel 3? |
| 23:13.48 | beardy | RadSurfer: Says what/who? |
| 23:13.56 | RadSurfer | its not allowing me |
| 23:14.08 | beardy | RadSurfer: Are you in X? |
| 23:14.24 | RadSurfer | http://pastebin.com/m2398d2f1 |
| 23:14.39 | beardy | RadSurfer: If so, Ctrl-Alt-F1, login, do. Consider using irssi and screen too so you can stay connected to irc. |
| 23:15.04 | RadSurfer | grrr |
| 23:15.13 | beardy | RadSurfer: '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' |
| 23:15.20 | beardy | Not the only one grring. |
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| 23:19.33 | RadSurfer | I'm getting all sorts of weird inet6 socket errors. It's not cooperating with me. |
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| 23:20.22 | themill | RadSurfer: please try to be more vague. There might be some of us who can still follow what you've done and what you're doing. |
| 23:20.51 | beardy | RadSurfer: When doing what? Is this related to X? |
| 23:21.02 | RadSurfer | Ok. using Init 1 worked |
| 23:21.05 | RadSurfer | it reports: |
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| 23:21.17 | beardy | Noone told you to do that. |
| 23:21.22 | beardy | Forget runlevels. |
| 23:21.28 | RadSurfer | /root/xorg.conf.new |
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| 23:21.45 | RadSurfer | I had to use init 1, or it wasn't working |
| 23:21.50 | beardy | No. |
| 23:21.54 | beardy | You had to stop X. |
| 23:22.04 | RadSurfer | same effect in this instance |
| 23:22.11 | beardy | Which I told you how, but you rushed off too quick for the 10th time. |
| 23:22.29 | RadSurfer | I want to back up some stuff, before I proceed. bbiab |
| 23:22.33 | beardy | Simillar result, but horribly horribly wrong. |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | RadSurfer: why don't you let beardy finish helping you instead of wandering off |
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| 23:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, did you tell him to type things in with his nose for better effect? |
| 23:28.24 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope. |
| 23:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, shame |
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| 23:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | CD1 should be enough to give me a working base install, btw, even if I don't have net? |
| 23:29.00 | beardy | Yes. |
| 23:29.13 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: The large netinstaller too, the ~100MB one. |
| 23:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's weird - it fails while installing busybox when I try to install the kernel |
| 23:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | also can't do grub |
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| 23:29.35 | pl4yer0ne | depends what you call a base install |
| 23:29.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "debian-502-amd64-CD-1.iso" would be the correct image |
| 23:29.46 | StuckMojo | quick poll: what MTA are you using for your desktop installation of debian? |
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| 23:30.09 | pl4yer0ne | StuckMojo, postfix |
| 23:30.09 | beardy | StuckMojo: Find out what the default is, and you have your answer. |
| 23:30.12 | StuckMojo | i've currently got citadel-mta on here and i want to dump it because it's more that i need |
| 23:30.14 | beardy | Wrong. |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | !tell StuckMojo about popcon |
| 23:30.35 | StuckMojo | beardy: it changes. i used to have exim, but an apt-get dist-upgrade moved me to citadel a while back :( |
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| 23:30.39 | StuckMojo | this is sid, btw |
| 23:31.06 | abrotman | so? |
| 23:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I compared the sh1 sum of the iso image, that's ok |
| 23:31.17 | StuckMojo | it shouldn't matter, just mentioning it |
| 23:31.20 | beardy | StuckMojo: Fair enough. It has been exim since woody, so that will be most common. |
| 23:31.49 | beardy | (probable before too, but that's as far as I know) |
| 23:31.50 | StuckMojo | beardy: i never much liked exim. |
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| 23:32.16 | StuckMojo | i'm not sure why it moved me to citadel |
| 23:32.21 | beardy | I wonder why postfix was not selected. |
| 23:32.24 | StuckMojo | it was well over a year ago |
| 23:32.34 | abrotman | beardy: do you really want me to find it ? |
| 23:32.38 | StuckMojo | i run postfix on my mail server so that's what i'm leaning towards |
| 23:32.44 | abrotman | !why exim |
| 23:32.44 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html, or see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
| 23:33.20 | StuckMojo | ah, this should be interesting. i've always wondered why |
| 23:33.42 | beardy | abrotman: I mean if there's a new default now, and not postfix. |
| 23:33.43 | themill | StuckMojo: "aptitude why citadel-mta" might tell you. More likely you had *no* mta installed at all and installed a package that wanted one but didn't declare exim as the fallback option |
| 23:34.08 | StuckMojo | themill: that could be. i don't recall removing exim, but i suppose i might have |
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| 23:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... why would installation of busybox from the installer fail when I select the kernel |
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| 23:36.45 | StuckMojo | god, i remember pmdf |
| 23:36.45 | beardy | So there is no new default MTA? What themill said is probably how it is. |
| 23:36.48 | RadSurfer | how do I search for a directory name? |
| 23:36.52 | StuckMojo | that takes me back |
| 23:37.06 | StuckMojo | beardy: the default is exim still i think |
| 23:37.37 | beardy | RadSurfer: locate /directoryname/ |
| 23:38.31 | StuckMojo | "and postfix was yet young." ah, that's why it wasn't postfix |
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| 23:39.09 | abrotman | there's been talk about changing it to postfix (might have died off by now) |
| 23:39.26 | StuckMojo | but this would entail a Flame War ;) lol |
| 23:39.48 | StuckMojo | personally i like postfix. despite the multiple configs, i found it pretty easy to learn and set up |
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| 23:39.56 | beardy | It probably did. |
| 23:39.56 | tclineks | i'm trying to run apache with upstart but it immediately daemonizes. thoughts? |
| 23:40.15 | themill | !dbugs 508644 |
| 23:40.15 | StuckMojo | and now i know it, and i don't know exim, so i'll just go with postfix i guess |
| 23:40.20 | dpkg | #508644:I[general] Sorting out mail-transport-agent mess (); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:27:01 UTC [] |
| 23:40.23 | beardy | The only one I've set up more than very basic is postfix aswell, and most use it so.. yes. |
| 23:40.26 | themill | StuckMojo, beardy ^^ |
| 23:40.53 | StuckMojo | checking it out, thx |
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| 23:41.19 | StuckMojo | aha. |
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| 23:41.30 | beardy | tclineks: Yes, when it starts it should do, what are you really trying to accomplish? Are you using the packaged apache in Debian? |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | themill: but it's dead now .. right ? |
| 23:41.38 | StuckMojo | themill: this explains it |
| 23:41.43 | tclineks | beardy: run it with upstart |
| 23:41.49 | pl4yer0ne | lols @ http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
| 23:41.51 | StuckMojo | i do have mdadm |
| 23:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, now it worked... |
| 23:42.08 | themill | abrotman: ish.... it will come back again soon enough. It's likely to change for squeeze+1 if not for squeeze |
| 23:42.08 | tclineks | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I HATE that... repeated pretty much the exact same thing |
| 23:42.18 | beardy | tclineks: "upstart" is a program, or do you mean at boot? |
| 23:42.30 | abrotman | themill: yay! |
| 23:42.35 | tclineks | as an upstart service |
| 23:42.54 | beardy | tclineks: It should not die. If it does, solve that problem instead? |
| 23:43.13 | tclineks | thanks! |
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| 23:44.20 | beardy | Are you on Ubuntu? |
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| 23:45.32 | StuckMojo | do ya'll tend to use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 23:45.41 | beardy | StuckMojo: aptitude |
| 23:45.51 | StuckMojo | i still stick with apt-get out of habit. and because aptitude wanted to install Recommends by default last i used it |
| 23:45.55 | beardy | Wa'll should. |
| 23:46.05 | themill | StuckMojo: so does apt-get |
| 23:46.26 | StuckMojo | themill: at the time it didn't |
| 23:46.35 | abrotman | StuckMojo: you can turn off the recommends part .. |
| 23:46.51 | StuckMojo | themill: perhaps i worded it wrong. if i did aptitude install vim; it would install the recommends, or try to. where apt-get would not. it would just list them |
| 23:46.59 | StuckMojo | abrotman: yeah i know that now and i think i did |
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| 23:47.47 | StuckMojo | i started trying to use aptitude because at the time, it would keep track of automatically installed packages and remove them if you removed the original package, where apt did not |
| 23:47.56 | StuckMojo | (but does now afaict) |
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| 23:49.40 | StuckMojo | themill: thanks again for pointing me to apt-listbugs |
| 23:49.56 | StuckMojo | supremely helpful |
| 23:50.18 | beardy | supremill |
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| 23:50.40 | hark | run of themill stuff |
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| 23:58.30 | nsadmin | millicent? |
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