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| 00:01.10 | wizL | hm |
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| 00:11.20 | nsadmin | postgresql headers and libs (-dev) of different versions can coexist? |
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| 00:14.33 | foxtrot | whats the best option for banning IPs that keep hitting up blocked ports? |
| 00:14.35 | ksnp | is there an aptitude install type thing for mingw ? |
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| 00:14.50 | foxtrot | ive tried fail2ban with questionable results |
| 00:15.27 | nsadmin | why questionable? what were the results? |
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| 00:19.55 | foxtrot | nsadmin: couldnt get supplied examples to work, regex failed |
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| 00:20.19 | foxtrot | and it doesnt seem configurable enough |
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| 00:22.32 | MadMoney | foxtrot: Whitelists are more effective. |
| 00:22.32 | foxtrot | it is failing on: failregex = courierpop3login: LOGIN FAILED.*ip=\[.*:<HOST>\] |
| 00:22.42 | foxtrot | MadMoney, hows that work? |
| 00:23.06 | MadMoney | Whitelisting is only allowing predefined IPs or remote hosts. |
| 00:23.22 | foxtrot | its a public server... |
| 00:23.50 | MadMoney | Maybe Debian's version doesn't support those examples. :\ |
| 00:24.02 | nsadmin | foxtrot sounds like fail2ban is poorly maintained |
| 00:24.50 | nsadmin | foxtrot: how exactly is that regex failing? |
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| 00:25.21 | foxtrot | 11:09:06,930 fail2ban.comm : WARNING Invalid command: ['set', 'courierpop3', 'failregex', 'courierpop3login: LOGIN FAILED.*ip=\\[.*:<HOST>\\]'] |
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| 00:30.00 | nsadmin | munchin... sec,,, |
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| 00:35.16 | nsadmin | foxtrot so you added the courier stanza to what file? |
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| 00:42.22 | tarik | Hi |
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| 00:42.44 | tarik | i've problem with preseed file |
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| 00:43.06 | tarik | Execution of preseed command " in-target usermod -d /ladmin -m ladmin " failed |
| 00:43.19 | tarik | i want to install squeeze |
| 00:43.42 | tarik | this command was works good on lenny/etch |
| 00:44.08 | nsadmin | does user ladmin exist at that point |
| 00:44.36 | nsadmin | I just ran that command a half hour ago, so I know it's good |
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| 00:44.51 | nsadmin | but I have no idea what in-target is |
| 00:45.36 | nsadmin | if you just want to install squeeze why are you preseeding |
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| 00:46.22 | tarik | we should use pressed file |
| 00:46.47 | tarik | and i' don't understand ( it was works good on lenny also etch ) |
| 00:47.18 | nsadmin | so you're using a preseed file that worked for an earlier version |
| 00:47.40 | tarik | yes |
| 00:47.57 | nsadmin | not guaranteed |
| 00:48.17 | nsadmin | (nothing is of course) |
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| 00:48.59 | nsadmin | so in your preseed file you have this command that alters user ladmin. |
| 00:49.15 | nsadmin | Does ladmin exist at the point that command is run? |
| 00:50.17 | nsadmin | that would be the most common way usermod can fail |
| 00:50.28 | tarik | yes the ladmin exist on this file |
| 00:50.41 | nsadmin | file? |
| 00:51.04 | nsadmin | show how it was created |
| 00:51.21 | tarik | d-i preseed/late_command string in-target usermod -d /ladmin -m ladmin |
| 00:51.29 | tarik | and |
| 00:52.00 | tarik | d-i passwd/root-login boolean false |
| 00:52.02 | tarik | d-i passwd/user-fullname string Administrator |
| 00:52.04 | tarik | d-i passwd/username string ladmin |
| 00:52.06 | tarik | d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password $1$LPgC1a/6$Mulgzqy5PgG9rt/V4gXya0 |
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| 00:52.25 | tarik | sorry! should i use pastbin :( |
| 00:52.46 | tarik | thats my pressed file for account user |
| 00:53.13 | nsadmin | that particular alteration (the usermod) moves the home dir to /ladmin, and / should exist |
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| 00:53.41 | nsadmin | so you should verify the user exists at the point the preseed file tries to alter it |
| 00:53.55 | nsadmin | but increasingly, that seems like a bug |
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| 00:55.30 | nsadmin | so are you sure the account user preseed file is processed first? |
| 00:56.13 | coil | awww, all that work for nothing, i installed lenny by booting usb drive, and on the reboot it doesn't boot, no error msgs from grub or anything, it detected my usb drive as sda and my hard drive as sdb so could that be a problem? |
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| 00:57.51 | coil | and i put the usb drive back in, it boots but it says "target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init." |
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| 01:00.44 | bpun | coil, i've installed etch on a usb, will install lenny on a usb this weekend.. |
| 01:00.45 | redstick | hmm, how can i get out of X totally, to just a shel |
| 01:01.01 | bpun | redspike, let met guess.. u never did so.. |
| 01:01.08 | bpun | redspike, and now you want to be spoonfed |
| 01:01.09 | redstick | when i ctrl alt backspace it goes to login screen |
| 01:01.21 | coil | bpun i'm just booting from a usb drive, installed on the hard drive but grub was installed on the usb drive and not the hd |
| 01:02.11 | bpun | coil, you're telling me you "tried", < the answer is you "errored"-install to the wrong drive.. admit it.. |
| 01:02.29 | bpun | coil, wth you want me to do about it? |
| 01:02.42 | coil | no it installed to the right drive, but grub didn't |
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| 01:03.22 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.57 | no_maam | hi |
| 01:04.05 | coil | i dont have a cdrom drive |
| 01:04.11 | coil | ill have to redo the usb drive |
| 01:04.14 | no_maam | probably a stupid question, I am looking for a tool like scp or rsync, but it should move, not copy files |
| 01:04.17 | bpun | coil, then what do you have? |
| 01:04.28 | bpun | *sighs |
| 01:04.32 | no_maam | so the source file on the remote system should be deleted after the transfer is completed |
| 01:04.53 | no_maam | if the transfer fails, the remote file should stay intact, and the partially copied file should perhaps remain on the target system |
| 01:04.54 | bpun | no_maam, rsync should be able to do that |
| 01:04.59 | no_maam | bpun: how? |
| 01:05.06 | bpun | no_maam, by using it |
| 01:05.34 | no_maam | bpun: I think I can tell rsync, that files who do not exist on the source system anymore should be deleted from the target system |
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| 01:06.04 | bpun | no_maam, try the manpage |
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| 01:07.15 | bpun | no_maam, wth kind of alias is that.. you been hit on by woman pedophiles or what? |
| 01:07.43 | no_maam | bpun: try googling for "al bundy" |
| 01:07.54 | bpun | no_maam, use a man alias.. and think what you say.. you sure don't know how to say what you mean.. |
| 01:08.10 | bpun | *sighs again |
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| 01:10.27 | nsadmin | no_maam: so do you have the same things againast women that al bundy does? |
| 01:11.06 | no_maam | nsadmin: it is a nickname |
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| 01:11.48 | nsadmin | it... is!??! |
| 01:11.58 | nsadmin | really? |
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| 01:13.35 | nsadmin | no_maam btw rsync should be able to do at least some of that... I used rsync to create a local debian mirror, but that application was quite complex and I had to alter stuff all the time |
| 01:13.58 | nsadmin | I don't think your application is anywhere near as complex |
| 01:14.02 | no_maam | nsadmin: well, you are trying to create a duplicate of an existing mirror |
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| 01:14.24 | nsadmin | well I was doing some special things, I only wanted certain parts |
| 01:14.41 | nsadmin | so that made things complicated |
| 01:14.53 | no_maam | nsadmin: I know |
| 01:15.07 | no_maam | nsadmin: but my problem is, what has been transfered should be deleted from the source |
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| 01:15.39 | nsadmin | see if rsync yields a success/progress report |
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| 01:16.13 | no_maam | it does, and I could try to parse that |
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| 01:17.10 | bpun | my my.. it's just annoying when one doesn't know how to rtfm |
| 01:18.01 | nsadmin | what if you could mount the remote partition or just the part where the thing you want to move is and then just use mv |
| 01:18.21 | no_maam | ah, there is a remove-source-files option |
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| 01:22.14 | ksnp | hi what are cflags and ldflags ? |
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| 01:23.51 | bpun | ksnp, cflags are canadian heroes that stand against bugs |
| 01:24.35 | bpun | ksnp, they're options. the manpage has it all.. |
| 01:25.06 | bpun | ksnp, unless you're into development, you'd care |
| 01:26.06 | ksnp | i am having to do some devel stuff |
| 01:26.42 | ksnp | i do understand they are optoins, i guess cflags is for stand against bugs, what about ldflags ? |
| 01:27.17 | ksnp | i see checking for libotr CFLAGS, LIBS, headers version etc. |
| 01:27.32 | ksnp | and although libotr is installed it says libotr 3.2.0 ornewer is required |
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| 01:27.46 | vasi | hi, i'm getting very different results from du and df |
| 01:28.03 | vasi | du -xsh . => 291M |
| 01:28.19 | vasi | df -h . => Used 463M |
| 01:28.27 | vasi | (my current dir is the fs root) |
| 01:28.32 | vasi | any idea what this is about? |
| 01:28.52 | vasi | (maybe the filesystem itself is using some of the data, could that be in?) |
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| 01:32.47 | bpun | vasi, manpage, df is not du |
| 01:33.27 | bpun | vasi, pwd |
| 01:33.50 | bpun | vasi, i think i know what it is.. |
| 01:34.03 | vasi | bpun, my pwd is /, it's not that |
| 01:34.05 | vasi | oh? |
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| 01:34.19 | bpun | vasi, are you chrooted? |
| 01:34.22 | vasi | no |
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| 01:35.59 | bpun | vasi, show pastebin of those command output.. |
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| 01:37.00 | vasi | ah, experiment...i just created a brand new ext3 filesystem on a spare partition....and df reports 173M used |
| 01:38.20 | bpun | vasi, space is reserved for the file index |
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| 01:38.46 | vasi | so it is the FS itself using that space? hm |
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| 01:43.01 | MikePer | Hello. I try to install an ELO touchscreen and I wonder how to set the ttyS to communicate with it and how the elo kernel driver works. |
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| 01:45.03 | ksnp | cantido : are you here ? |
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| 01:49.06 | ksnp | i am trying to run configure and i can't make it see an installed app called libotr - can anyone tell how to specify with --with-libotr-dir exactly ? |
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| 01:50.19 | \amethyst | ksnp: you need libotr2-dev |
| 01:50.42 | \amethyst | ksnp: you almost always need a -dev package if you want to compile/link against a library |
| 01:51.10 | \amethyst | ksnp: once you install that, configure should be able to find it |
| 01:53.56 | ksnp | i did install it |
| 01:54.01 | ksnp | basically not the -dev |
| 01:54.12 | ksnp | but i got the source libotr and compiled it - and that didn't complain |
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| 01:54.29 | ksnp | now i got the source of pidgin-otr and am trying to compile it but says libotr 3.2.0 not found |
| 01:55.20 | ksnp | config options have --with-libotr-prefix=PFX Prefix where libotr is installed(optional) |
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| 01:55.36 | ksnp | --with-libotr-inc-prefix=PFX Prefix where libotr includes are (optional) |
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| 01:56.13 | ksnp | i have the headers in libotr-3.2.0/src so i gave that as configure option, |
| 01:56.31 | ksnp | for where libotr is installed do i point to the *.a files or the *.exe files (i am cross compiling) |
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| 01:57.10 | ksnp | amethyst - can you tell me please ? |
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| 02:00.16 | \amethyst | ksnp: .a or .dll, but I don't know about linking windows programs |
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| 02:10.49 | ksnp | amethyst - i am simply compiling under mingw what was given for linux |
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| 02:11.09 | ksnp | and they have cross compile instructions but they don't work hence trying to use mingw in windows |
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| 02:25.05 | owen1 | When I switch to us layout with 'setxkbmap -layout us' but I get: "Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property. Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc105' layout - 'us'" and ctrl/alt/page keys stop working. |
| 02:25.15 | owen1 | It's working ok when I start xfce session. any hints? |
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| 02:34.24 | vasi | hmm, it turns out 128M is the journal, and 44M is reserved for resizing |
| 02:34.39 | vasi | i guess i can turn resize_inode off, i don't really need that |
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| 02:35.08 | vasi | is there some way to figure out what the reasonable size range is for the journal? |
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| 02:40.15 | BubbaT | How many poartitions can you put on a single hard disk and have debian still recognise it? |
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| 02:40.59 | vasi | BubbaT: i imagine it depends on the partition format, eh? |
| 02:41.13 | nsadmin | how would I find the source package for postgresql-7.4 |
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| 02:41.46 | vasi | nsadmin: i just use packages.debian.org |
| 02:41.47 | vasi | http://packages.debian.org/etch/postgresql-7.4 |
| 02:41.53 | vasi | and follow the list to "source package" |
| 02:42.03 | nsadmin | that's the one thanks |
| 02:42.05 | vasi | (note that's for etch...i don't think lenny has postgresql-7.4?) |
| 02:42.23 | nsadmin | then I'm not upgrading to lenny soon |
| 02:42.33 | hikenboot | how do i restart bash? without rebooting? I have made customizations to bash and installed it but want to restart bash so it starts logging to mysql database |
| 02:43.10 | vasi | hikenboot: er.....you mean bash, the shell? |
| 02:43.16 | hikenboot | yes |
| 02:43.22 | vasi | are you at the console, or a GUI, or what? |
| 02:43.32 | hikenboot | yes at the console |
| 02:43.41 | vasi | just type 'exit', and then login again |
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| 02:44.10 | hikenboot | ah so thats it ..I have to shut down the shells? |
| 02:44.13 | vasi | but any modifications you've made to the bash startup, you can also make to a live bash |
| 02:44.24 | vasi | eg, sourcing your .bash_profle |
| 02:44.34 | BubbaT | wonders if someone will come along who knows what they are talking about. |
| 02:44.36 | hikenboot | http://blog.ronanfoucher.fr/?m=200901 |
| 02:45.26 | nsadmin | BubbaT that woudl be a troll |
| 02:45.43 | vasi | hikenboot: oh, you actually compiled a new bash shell, gotcha |
| 02:45.54 | vasi | you will have to make sure your login shell is actually that new bash |
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| 02:45.57 | vasi | man chsh |
| 02:46.01 | nsadmin | and that would be you alienating anyone who would have otherwise wanted to help you free. are you prepared to pay my rate? |
| 02:46.07 | losher | hikenboot: you can just 'exec bash' to replace the current one with the new one, but to be sure of getting *all* possible invocations of bash to use the new one, you'd probably need to reboot |
| 02:46.18 | hikenboot | yes and installed it but the new version requires loading of bash.conf ... |
| 02:46.33 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
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| 02:46.59 | hikenboot | one last question does bash functions appear in one of the logs under /var/log |
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| 02:48.07 | losher | BubbaT: you can only have 4 primary partitions on a disk, and I forget how many extended ones, but there's a limit, and it's fairly small. It's not a debian limit, some hardware spec. Maybe pc99? |
| 02:48.14 | hikenboot | so i can determine if its working ok... |
| 02:48.50 | beardy | It's not Sunday yet. |
| 02:49.10 | vasi | losher: i think it's 63 for IDE |
| 02:49.20 | BubbaT | nsadmin, oops. Was phrased rather badly sorry.I was only reffering to the clueless guy that responded to my question. |
| 02:49.35 | vasi | more for SCSI iirc |
| 02:49.53 | losher | hikenboot: I wouldn't expect bash to do any logging as that would fill up the logs quite quickly. You can append echo statements into a file for debugging... |
| 02:49.59 | vasi | BUT, if you're using LVM it's even more than that |
| 02:50.00 | nsadmin | BubbaT: sometimes people who are clueless can quickly learn enough to help. |
| 02:50.09 | vasi | hence, it depends on the type of partitioning |
| 02:50.27 | hikenboot | thanks have a good night i am going to reboot... |
| 02:50.28 | losher | vasi: as many as that? I'm surprised... |
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| 02:50.45 | vasi | losher: unless something has changed since http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-07/3459.html |
| 02:50.47 | beardy | !troll hikenboot |
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| 02:52.25 | losher | vasi: I've no reason to think it would have changed. Too many things relying on it. 64 is a magic number, after all... |
| 02:52.26 | nsadmin | BubbaT: it actually depends on the driver, and more to the point whether the scsi subsystem is being used |
| 02:52.45 | vasi | oh, also some partition map formats support fewer parts....GPT typically has a max of 128 |
| 02:53.10 | vasi | (you can technically have more, but there's been little testing of that, so i would expect some tools to break) |
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| 02:53.43 | nsadmin | if it is, the old system didn't allow any more than 16, but the new device node format is wider, allowing larger device numbers |
| 02:54.25 | nsadmin | I think ide allows a specific number of drives, and 64 partitions per. |
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| 02:54.28 | Suprano | hey there |
| 02:54.48 | nsadmin | where?! |
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| 02:55.45 | Suprano | I try to compile gcc here for my distribution and i have some errors. Now, my question to you is, do you have the file /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h on your 64-bit system? (could be in a libc-32bit package) |
| 02:55.57 | nsadmin | your distribution is? |
| 02:55.57 | Suprano | I just wonder if the -64 and -32 are in the same directory |
| 02:56.00 | Suprano | arch linux |
| 02:56.23 | nsadmin | oh, so you're not running debian at all? |
| 02:56.28 | Suprano | I was earlier |
| 02:56.43 | Suprano | But it is a debian related question :) |
| 02:57.25 | vasi | Suprano: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=stubs-32&mode=filename&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 02:57.29 | Suprano | I have the 32bit package for my distr. here but i don't know where the 32bit header should go, so i wanna see how your distribution did it |
| 02:57.36 | vasi | amazing what a search can do ;-) |
| 02:58.03 | Suprano | ah right, debian lists the files online |
| 02:58.06 | Suprano | thanks :) |
| 02:58.28 | Suprano | s othe file must go in the same dir |
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| 03:00.57 | nsadmin | a compile of gcc should put the files where they need to go... if you have files outside the gcc source, you can pretty much put them anywhere and refer to the place with -I /pa/th |
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| 03:01.24 | pkovac | is there any straightforward way to prune the system back to /only/ the dependencies of a task? |
| 03:01.37 | vasi | pkovac: debfoster, maybe? |
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| 03:03.09 | pkovac | hrm |
| 03:03.13 | pkovac | that looks like it might do the trick |
| 03:03.38 | dysfunctional | here is a question, how do i take off the cant log on as root that i setup when i first installed debian. MINUS reinstall it |
| 03:04.26 | nsadmin | dysfunctional: find out what you did to set it up then reverse that process |
| 03:04.47 | dysfunctional | umm heh. |
| 03:05.03 | dysfunctional | I told it in the installer to not to allow anyone to log in as root |
| 03:05.14 | nsadmin | I often recommend people keep an installation journal... |
| 03:05.14 | dysfunctional | well other then Sudo |
| 03:05.55 | nsadmin | I think that's the same thing ubuntu does by default |
| 03:06.02 | dysfunctional | yea |
| 03:06.19 | adb | try `sudo -i` |
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| 03:07.14 | nsadmin | you want to make that permanent? |
| 03:07.18 | vasi | it probably just doesn't set a password for root.... |
| 03:07.28 | vasi | so just do 'sudo passwd' and set a password |
| 03:09.45 | dysfunctional | yea that didnt work heh |
| 03:10.04 | pkovac | vasi: thanks, seems to do just what I want :) |
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| 03:10.14 | vasi | pkovac: welcome :-) |
| 03:10.25 | vasi | <3 debfoster |
| 03:10.27 | dysfunctional | I type in root at login and it says Login incorrect |
| 03:13.39 | hark | sudo passwd should work, you can do "sudo passwd root" to be sure |
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| 03:15.46 | foxtrot | what else can be used to get quality daily reports besides logwatch |
| 03:16.35 | hark | logcheck |
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| 03:18.07 | C0dpe | Hi, If I install Apache with apt-get will I be able to recompile it to work with pnglib? |
| 03:19.19 | pickcoder | C0dpe: you'll have to repackage the binaries and install a custom version |
| 03:19.25 | pickcoder | otherwise the security updates may blow it up |
| 03:19.41 | pickcoder | install it from source and leave apt out of it if you have to do something custom |
| 03:19.53 | pickcoder | just be weary of the security updates you'll miss |
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| 03:20.01 | C0dpe | sure. Thank you |
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| 03:20.12 | pickcoder | make sure it goes under /usr/local/ |
| 03:20.15 | C0dpe | Yes, I'll take a look if there are some maillist |
| 03:20.17 | pickcoder | apt won't touch it there |
| 03:20.35 | C0dpe | ok. Thanks |
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| 03:33.17 | kmonk | woah mobloquer has a huge weight on system resources with all filters enabled |
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| 03:34.10 | kmonk | no ok, it seems to have calmed down now o_o |
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| 03:49.26 | echosystm | has anyone here seen/used debian on ARM ? |
| 03:49.43 | echosystm | im interested in buying one of these sheevaplug 1.2ghz ARM computers |
| 03:50.06 | echosystm | i need a NAS and theyre only $99 |
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| 03:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | echosystm, only maemo, yet |
| 03:54.11 | C0dpe | Not sure if I can ask it here, If not please sorry. Is it possible to have DocumentRoot set to a folder for a www.website.com and have a different DocumentRoot for www.website.com/othercontent? I tried to make othercontent as a simbolic link to a folder, but If I do that the PHP includes will become relative to the link, and no to the source of that link (the DocumentRoot I need to 'othercontent') |
| 03:54.54 | C0dpe | Nobody seems active in apache`s channel |
| 03:55.33 | pickcoder | C0dpe: it's #httpd now |
| 03:56.00 | C0dpe | ah, ok. Moving. Thank you pickcoder |
| 03:56.10 | pickcoder | #apache is for the general foundation |
| 03:56.39 | C0dpe | Got it.. |
| 03:57.57 | echosystm | what kind of performance would you get out of an ARM cpu anyway at 1.2ghz? |
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| 03:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | echosystm, shouldn't be a big problem - this thing doesn't look like you had a lot of hardware you need kernel support for... |
| 03:59.51 | echosystm | any estimate on what the equivalent i386 would be? |
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| 04:01.10 | echosystm | i guess its really a matter of whether or not the apps do floats |
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| 04:05.21 | yansanmo | Is "xinit xterm" command supposed to make keyboard/mouse not working? |
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| 04:10.22 | JackScott | Is there a command/environment variable i can use to find out the architecture of a debian installation? |
| 04:10.28 | JackScott | say, whether it is amd64 or i386? |
| 04:10.47 | pickcoder | JackScott: uname -a |
| 04:10.56 | pickcoder | the kernel will state what arch it's for |
| 04:11.07 | JackScott | thanks |
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| 04:11.51 | yansanmo | Sometimes, I use "file" with a command, like file /bin/ls |
| 04:12.57 | JackScott | :) |
| 04:13.20 | TroyMartin | ELF SYSV executables ftw |
| 04:13.44 | yansanmo | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV) |
| 04:13.58 | TroyMartin | system V ABI ftw |
| 04:14.17 | TroyMartin | ftw ftw! :) |
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| 04:16.12 | foxtrot | how can I make it so a specific user can read specific logfiles? |
| 04:16.53 | vasi | foxtrot, use ACLs? |
| 04:17.16 | vasi | man getfacl, i think |
| 04:17.23 | foxtrot | i installed logcheck and it cant read my logs as its user |
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| 04:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | echosystm, yeah, I think depends heavily on what you do... |
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| 04:33.02 | C0dpe | Is there any package or tool I could install in order to have the "service" command available or it's usually built in into the Distros? |
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| 04:33.56 | smacnay | Anyone have a preference for a mail/calender app? Pros and cons for either icedove+lightning+enigmail vs. evolution? I have both installed and find that both "work" but evolution is tied nicer into the gnome desktop while icedove is more portable to other platforms. |
| 04:35.10 | vasi | C0dpe: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=service&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 04:35.31 | C0dpe | hum, there`s a website to search it. Thank you vasi |
| 04:35.37 | vasi | smacnay: i used to switch between evolution and thunderbird (er...whatever debian calls it now) |
| 04:35.47 | vasi | then i just gave up and started using gmail and google calendar :-) |
| 04:36.18 | C0dpe | never missed any email vader--? |
| 04:36.19 | C0dpe | vasi* |
| 04:37.02 | smacnay | vasi, that has crossed my mind. |
| 04:37.12 | vasi | missed? you mean spam false positives? |
| 04:37.38 | JackScott | C0dpe: Use IMAP |
| 04:37.43 | vasi | smacnay: if you're worried about data retention, you can back up an entire gmail account with offlineimap |
| 04:38.01 | C0dpe | JackScott nice. |
| 04:38.19 | C0dpe | vasi that too |
| 04:38.37 | C0dpe | I noticed that some of emails just was erased a while ago |
| 04:38.45 | C0dpe | 2 emails, to be more specific |
| 04:38.54 | JackScott | C0dpe: I switch between Thunderbird and Outlook on Windows, Evolution in Gnome, and RoundCube webmail. Since it's all using the same IMAP store, I always have my email with me everywhere. |
| 04:39.05 | JackScott | If I bothered, I could set up my phone to check it as well. |
| 04:39.28 | C0dpe | was, that's really a nice thing... |
| 04:39.37 | C0dpe | I'm using thunderbird |
| 04:39.56 | C0dpe | I'm new to linux, but I'm loving Deian. |
| 04:39.59 | vasi | JackScott: you know this is possible using gmail as well? |
| 04:40.03 | vasi | it supports imap :-) |
| 04:40.16 | C0dpe | A friend told me it's one of the best, stable, not hard to learn/understand |
| 04:40.17 | JackScott | vasi: I have a thing against gmail. don't bother asking |
| 04:40.27 | vasi | though....some clients don't deal well with the huuuuge folders you can end up with |
| 04:40.39 | vasi | C0dpe: glad you like it :-) |
| 04:40.43 | vasi | JackScott: fair enough |
| 04:40.48 | JackScott | plus, running my own email server is good clean fun |
| 04:42.20 | vasi | wow, zerofree is awesome for VMs |
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| 04:45.40 | smacnay | thanks the email suggestions. |
| 04:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 04:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever ran "apt-cache search google |wc -l" ? |
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| 05:19.59 | tpocra2 | Hi how can I mount a dd'ed disk image of a dm-crypt LVM2 volume group? |
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| 05:23.11 | MadMoney | tpocra: man mount |
| 05:23.14 | MadMoney | man 8 mount |
| 05:23.16 | MadMoney | man 2 mount |
| 05:23.18 | MadMoney | man 3 mount |
| 05:26.10 | Tramp | how would you dd a VG? I can imagine dd'ing a PV or a LV. |
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| 05:43.45 | BigBob85 | I got my server running proftpd and apache2, but my ftp users cant upload to there directorys (which is a www accesable directory). |
| 05:44.08 | BigBob85 | they can always read it, they can write to it when i chown it to be the ftp user and ftpgroup |
| 05:44.17 | BigBob85 | but then some things for apache dosnt work |
| 05:44.31 | BigBob85 | does this mean i have to change proftpd (or even apache) to run as the same user? |
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| 05:53.27 | mcgreg | hi |
| 05:54.22 | mcgreg | I have a new laptop. I just configured my wlan with it.. and knetwork manager says it is connected. evene the router says I am connected n. but from wlan I cant connect to anything |
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| 05:55.17 | mcgreg | any idea what I could be diong wrong? |
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| 05:55.48 | rozie | can you ping router? |
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| 05:56.55 | mcgreg | no |
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| 05:57.10 | mcgreg | it is a problem I have hotplug wired connection? |
| 05:57.31 | rozie | do not know |
| 05:57.56 | mcgreg | test do you hear me? |
| 05:57.57 | rozie | TBH I prefer wicd or cli |
| 05:58.02 | mcgreg | wtf |
| 05:58.09 | mcgreg | it works right now? |
| 05:58.22 | rozie | maybe routing changed... |
| 05:58.26 | mcgreg | hmm |
| 05:58.38 | rozie | or you had two connection - wired and wireless |
| 05:58.49 | rozie | use only wireless |
| 05:59.49 | mcgreg | am I still alive? |
| 06:00.39 | mcgreg | lol. irc works. but nothing else? |
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| 06:01.42 | rozie | maybe dns problems? |
| 06:02.05 | rozie | host onet.pl (or ping onet.pl) |
| 06:02.06 | mcgreg | hmm no. I cant onnection from the browser to my router either |
| 06:02.21 | rozie | then ping 213.180.146.27 |
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| 06:03.26 | mcgreg | ok, ping this ip is okay.. but pining myrouter is broken |
| 06:03.27 | mcgreg | funny |
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| 06:04.21 | mcgreg | it's like it try to use thw wired connection for some stuff |
| 06:04.31 | nsadmin | mcgreg; so, dns. |
| 06:04.44 | mcgreg | ING 192.168.178.25 (192.168.178.25) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 06:04.45 | mcgreg | From 192.168.178.29 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 06:04.52 | mcgreg | how can this be a dns problkem? |
| 06:05.16 | nsadmin | myrouter is what? a name? |
| 06:05.45 | mcgreg | no typo. my router is 192.168.178.1 ... *.25 is just another computer in the net |
| 06:05.46 | lotharn | anyone know how to get rid of the rest of gnome thats in the way of compiz |
| 06:05.48 | lotharn | ? |
| 06:07.00 | owen1 | i try to change the keyboard layout with setxkbmap us and get: "Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property". any hints? |
| 06:07.06 | nsadmin | so what happens when you ping 192.168.178.1 |
| 06:07.26 | nsadmin | and what is your router? what form does it take? |
| 06:07.58 | mcgreg | PING 192.168.178.1 (192.168.178.1) 56(84) bytes of data. , From 192.168.178.29 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 06:08.09 | nsadmin | ejsy |
| 06:08.11 | mcgreg | but my wired connection is. 29 , my wlan is .30 |
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| 06:08.25 | nsadmin | so you have two different IPs? |
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| 06:08.50 | mcgreg | for wired and for wlan ... |
| 06:08.59 | nsadmin | why do you have two different connections? |
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| 06:09.17 | nsadmin | if you have wireless, why do you put a wire in there? |
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| 06:10.29 | nsadmin | this is multihoming, and not in a good way... multihoming is also not trivial |
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| 06:11.20 | mcgreg | because I needed to install software to make network . so I configured the wireless network when I had the wired connection in. whats strange about it |
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| 06:11.54 | nsadmin | do they both work separately? |
| 06:12.11 | mcgreg | it seems like that... but not corectly though |
| 06:12.24 | nsadmin | it seems like each router is configured to be on the same subnet |
| 06:12.41 | Shtl | Hello All |
| 06:12.53 | xylox | mcgreg, it would help to pastebin your routing table |
| 06:12.59 | mcgreg | well, configured by dhp |
| 06:13.09 | mcgreg | dhcp even |
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| 06:14.08 | mcgreg | xylox, how do I do this? |
| 06:14.10 | rozie | mcgreg: short answer: use only one connection |
| 06:14.19 | rozie | then report a problem |
| 06:14.24 | rozie | (if exists) |
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| 06:15.15 | Shtl | i am using lenny, and installed squid, now i want control net access to all clients connected to my m/c, i have set in clients browser that it has to access web through proxy, but even when there is no server m/c in between, client cannot access the net, can any one help me please? |
| 06:15.26 | xylox | mcgreg, "route" in a terminal |
| 06:15.41 | jeeves | how can I let my user access the /var/log/ files without sudoing it? |
| 06:15.46 | mcgreg | 192.168.178.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:15.47 | bpun | Shtl, what the hell is a m/c ? |
| 06:15.57 | mcgreg | 192.168.178.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 |
| 06:16.00 | Shtl | lenny installed computer |
| 06:16.07 | Shtl | bpun: |
| 06:16.08 | mcgreg | default 192.168.178.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 06:17.04 | bpun | Shtl, a client needs a gateway to access the internet.. the gateway server is a dhcp server? |
| 06:17.13 | nsadmin | so there is no default route |
| 06:17.22 | nsadmin | well not thru the wired eth |
| 06:17.41 | Shtl | bpun: yes i installed dnsmasq |
| 06:17.49 | bpun | mcgreg, why 2 routes to 2 different interfaces? |
| 06:17.58 | nsadmin | but there's a pair of net routes, only one of which has a default route |
| 06:17.59 | bpun | (and for same network?) |
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| 06:18.39 | nsadmin | what's the driver for "Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12)"? |
| 06:19.04 | mcgreg | bpun, I dnt really understand whats hapening here anyway. I had a wired connection, configured wlan and connected. |
| 06:19.24 | Shtl | bpun: lenny server PC has 2 nics, one for ISP and one to clients through a switch |
| 06:19.47 | bpun | mcgreg, set one interface to use another subnet and ip.. |
| 06:20.01 | xylox | mcgreg, what's what you want to accomplsh, connect to your router? |
| 06:20.20 | bpun | Shtl, so do the clients get dhcp lease? |
| 06:20.38 | Shtl | yes, they access |
| 06:20.48 | mcgreg | xylox, no I *AM* connection. this connection to this irc network is through the wlan-connection but I cant pion my router and nothjing else works |
| 06:21.07 | bpun | Shtl, can they ping the gateway and other pc's on the lan? |
| 06:21.20 | Shtl | yes ofcourse |
| 06:21.22 | mcgreg | xylox, meh sry for the typos.. new keyboard |
| 06:21.37 | bpun | Shtl, what is the subnetmask for a client? |
| 06:21.50 | Shtl | 192.168.10.1 |
| 06:21.56 | Shtl | srry |
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| 06:22.00 | bpun | Shtl, that's the gateway.. |
| 06:22.06 | Shtl | 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:22.13 | xylox | mcgreg, the simple way, disconnect the wire |
| 06:22.24 | bpun | Shtl, and so an ip# for a lan client would be? |
| 06:22.26 | mcgreg | it is diconnected all thbe time now |
| 06:22.52 | Shtl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.13 | xylox | mcgreg, restarted the ifaces? |
| 06:23.24 | bpun | Shtl, so which nic has 192.168.10.1 ? |
| 06:23.37 | mcgreg | no |
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| 06:24.08 | Shtl | bpun: ie eth1 connected to clients through a switch |
| 06:24.12 | xylox | mcgreg, ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 |
| 06:24.23 | bpun | mcgreg, i told you.. change the subnet for one of your interface.. .. btw are you connecting ur wifi connection via your home gateway? |
| 06:24.26 | mcgreg | hmmm I see. u it's a little lame then. |
| 06:24.32 | bpun | mcgreg, currently? |
| 06:24.37 | mcgreg | after I ifdown eth0 it seems to work fine |
| 06:25.42 | mcgreg | hm that should have some autodetction. especially when the kernel realises that the connection is down. I expectd it to work lke that |
| 06:25.46 | bpun | rather for mcgreg, your routing table explains why you're having problems.. |
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| 06:26.56 | mcgreg | but ok, I learned Icant have 2 coonections at thesame time |
| 06:27.05 | bpun | Shtl, isnt' port 3128 the default port for squid's proxy? |
| 06:27.18 | Shtl | yes exactly |
| 06:27.20 | mcgreg | so I have ifup(if down when I switch from wired to wireless every time |
| 06:27.38 | bpun | Shtl, so you have to masquerade eth0 (assuming it's the wan link).. |
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| 06:29.30 | bpun | Shtl, http://www.my-proxy.com/content/proxy-tools/squid-proxy-server-software-tutorial.html |
| 06:29.32 | Shtl | bpun: yes, net access is working fine with clients, thing is that how i should start controlling clients with squid, is that i have to do setting with clients browser also?? |
| 06:30.03 | bpun | Shtl, is squid running? |
| 06:30.09 | Shtl | yes |
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| 06:30.51 | bpun | Shtl, did u choose http proxy?, u'd set the http proxy in the browser.. |
| 06:31.21 | bpun | Shtl, what ver firefox are u using? i remember i tried this a few months ago, there was a proxy setting bug.. |
| 06:31.47 | Shtl | what in case of IE? |
| 06:32.05 | bpun | (i mean the http-proxy-setting in the browser,, the http proxy runs on the lenny server of course) |
| 06:32.11 | bpun | Shtl, should still work |
| 06:32.34 | bpun | Shtl, it's the http proxy type |
| 06:32.48 | Shtl | yaa its fine with the server |
| 06:32.51 | bpun | (according to my understanding) |
| 06:33.02 | bpun | Shtl, what, it works now? what was the problem? |
| 06:33.23 | Shtl | but in clients need to set with browser something??? |
| 06:34.04 | bpun | Shtl, i was saying there was a bug in earlier version of firefox 2.x (latest doesnt have proxy issue) |
| 06:34.16 | bpun | (latest as in 3.x) |
| 06:35.32 | Shtl | in IE, tools->LAN settings, there is option "Use a proxy server for ur LAN" if i select that it asks Address and port, port is 3128 but wats Addr?? if i do this it wont access any web page even when there is no squid running |
| 06:36.53 | bpun | Shtl, check to see if squid is listening on 192.168.10.1 |
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| 06:37.08 | bpun | Shtl, that's the address u put in the client's proxy setting |
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| 06:37.48 | bpun | Shtl, it might be listening on 0.0.0.0, i dont know.. |
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| 06:38.23 | bpun | Shtl, address is the ip# of the squid server |
| 06:38.54 | Shtl | means its ip of eth1 or eth0? |
| 06:39.06 | Shtl | eth0- from ISp |
| 06:40.20 | bpun | Shtl, netstat -plutn|grep -i squid |
| 06:40.59 | bpun | Shtl, 192.168.10.1 < |
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| 06:42.31 | Shtl | bpun: http://pastebin.com/m6b5cc45c this is output of above |
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| 06:42.52 | MadMoney | Oh my god, this can't be good. |
| 06:43.20 | MadMoney | ext3 showed lots of serious errors in console and a bunch of files, like halt and ls, went missing. |
| 06:43.25 | bpun | Shtl, so place 192.168.10.1 in the client's proxy setting along with port 3128 |
| 06:43.27 | MadMoney | It rebooted to login okay. |
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| 06:43.47 | MadMoney | The CPU usage went up at the time of the ext3 errors. WTF? |
| 06:43.56 | MadMoney | Is ext3 a bad file system on PowerPC? |
| 06:44.06 | Shtl | yaa, once i tried putting same things, |
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| 06:45.38 | bpun | Shtl, good, finally |
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| 06:45.55 | Shtl | u mean?? |
| 06:46.10 | dondelelcaro | MadMoney: no, it's perfectly reasonable |
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| 06:46.19 | bpun | Shtl, what do YOU mean? "yaa" ? |
| 06:46.25 | bpun | wtf? |
| 06:46.33 | bpun | be clear dude |
| 06:46.51 | dondelelcaro | MadMoney: generally if you start seeing those kind of problems, you've got issues with the drive (or you've discovered an ext3 bug) |
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| 06:47.22 | dondelelcaro | MadMoney: see what smartctl outputs for the former; the latter is quite a bit more difficult to figure out |
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| 06:48.12 | cast | on next boot i want a ssh -R command to run, would putting that in rc.local mean it would run after networking was done? |
| 06:48.54 | bpun | cast, probably there's a startup option with cron or atd |
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| 06:49.18 | losher | An ext3 bug is unlikely.... |
| 06:51.21 | cast | ahh, there is @reboot, would that run after networking is up then? |
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| 06:51.48 | losher | cast: rc.local is generally the last thing to run, so yes, but ssh is usually for interactive use, so you might have problems running it non-interactively |
| 06:51.52 | dondelelcaro | cast: it'd run when cron starts |
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| 06:52.06 | bpun | cast, ahh and I are not synonymous |
| 06:52.36 | dondelelcaro | cast: I'd personally just use a small while+sleep+ping loop and then start ssh when ping succeeded in @reboot, but you can pretty much do whatever |
| 06:53.05 | cast | hmm, that's a good idea |
| 06:53.34 | cast | îll just sleep for a bit, network will either come up in 2 minutes or not at all |
| 06:54.04 | bpun | I'd personally kick the computer.. my computer is stubborn. |
| 06:54.16 | bpun | :) |
| 06:54.24 | cast | it's about 2000km away \m/ |
| 06:54.48 | bpun | wth is \m/ , a crotch sign of somesort? |
| 06:54.58 | cast | yes, yes it is |
| 06:55.11 | bpun | looks more like a hitler's mustache.. |
| 06:55.22 | cast | in a crotch |
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| 06:55.52 | dysfunctional | dude that is the rock on hand |
| 06:55.56 | dysfunctional | no hitlar patch |
| 06:55.57 | dysfunctional | lmao |
| 06:56.13 | dysfunctional | not hitler* |
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| 06:58.23 | MadMoney | This must be a really bad ext3 bug, then. |
| 06:58.35 | MadMoney | The behavior is really weird. The longer it runs, the more files start disappearing, until there's nothing in the root file system (/ is empty). |
| 06:58.57 | MadMoney | Shutting off and turning back on brings back the files for a while. |
| 06:59.43 | MadMoney | I was using an iBook as a Samba/HTTP/SSH server for about a week without shutting it down. |
| 06:59.54 | Zharf | O_O |
| 06:59.59 | bpun | MadMoney, so kick it |
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| 07:00.07 | MadMoney | Kick it? Why? |
| 07:00.14 | bpun | MadMoney, so that it goes down |
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| 07:00.40 | MadMoney | Well, it is obviously off now. It has no use with root file system trouble. |
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| 07:00.54 | bpun | MadMoney, so kick it anyways... |
| 07:01.01 | bpun | MadMoney, you mad with money.. |
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| 07:01.26 | MadMoney | I was able to back up all my source code to my Windows XP file share before the FS went crazy. |
| 07:01.51 | bpun | MadMoney, how old are you? |
| 07:01.55 | MadMoney | writes hatemail to Steve Jobs. |
| 07:01.57 | MadMoney | heh |
| 07:01.59 | MadMoney | I'm 22. |
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| 07:02.15 | Zharf | who's steve jobs? |
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| 07:02.44 | bpun | MadMoney, go RAID mad one! |
| 07:02.47 | losher | You'd think an ext3 bug like that would be noticed by more than just you.... |
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| 07:03.20 | MadMoney | losher: Heat probably made the iBook's HDD die. |
| 07:03.45 | MadMoney | I'm just glad I noticed the ext3 errors in the console before it went completely crazy. |
| 07:03.47 | bpun | MadMoney, I said to go for a RAID setup.. dont leave a machine on without raid |
| 07:03.59 | bpun | MadMoney, you dont know what raid is? |
| 07:04.05 | MadMoney | I know what it is. |
| 07:04.09 | simonrvn | MadMoney: what sort of ibook? they can get hot if the fan stays off when it's supposed to go on. |
| 07:04.12 | bpun | MadMoney, so there.. use it |
| 07:04.21 | losher | MadMoney: I'm glad you think so. That's orders of magnitude more likely than an ext3 bug. |
| 07:04.24 | MadMoney | It is a 600 MHz iBook |
| 07:04.39 | simonrvn | hm, should be well supported... |
| 07:04.41 | MadMoney | losher: I would hope so. |
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| 07:06.14 | bpun | (heard its possible to use a raid setup on an ibook)(hackish if yoy're a man) |
| 07:06.17 | MadMoney | So, props to ext3 for complaing early on about the problem in console so I had time to back up. |
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| 07:07.09 | losher | MadMoney: I don't think that was a particular design goal of ext3. I think you just got lucky.... |
| 07:07.42 | MadMoney | Yeah. |
| 07:07.52 | MadMoney | I'm going to be more careful now. |
| 07:08.20 | MadMoney | Instead of HDD redundancy, I'll just keep copies of everything on two computers. ;) |
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| 07:09.16 | cast | because that's an actual backup |
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| 07:09.43 | MadMoney | This is my first experience with HDD failure. |
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| 07:09.59 | MadMoney | I will never trust them the same again. |
| 07:10.40 | losher | MadMoney: welcome to the club. Your initial trust was misplaced. HDDs fail. All the time... |
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| 07:11.45 | eject_ck | Hi all, I have 2 HDD's : |
| 07:11.45 | eject_ck | 1. OpenSuse with Grub legacy |
| 07:11.45 | eject_ck | 2. debian with xen kernel and Grub |
| 07:11.45 | eject_ck | Problem server use HDD1 as default boot disk and I can`t find where to change boot disk :( |
| 07:11.45 | eject_ck | Q: is it possible to run grub installed on disk 1 if I have grub from disk 2 loaded |
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| 07:12.14 | Gurpartap_ | what? |
| 07:12.23 | Gurpartap_ | why was he kicked? |
| 07:12.29 | MadMoney | I would think their reliability has improved in the last ten years. |
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| 07:12.49 | SPF | Gurpartap_: you're not allowed to paste multiple lines at once |
| 07:13.09 | Gurpartap_ | I dont see whats wrong with it. |
| 07:13.15 | cast | after a while you'll be so cynical you'll be impressed when things don't fail |
| 07:13.15 | eject_ck | I paste nothing |
| 07:13.39 | zinx | eject_ck: the bot automatically kicks when you write too many lines too quickly |
| 07:14.04 | eject_ck | zinx: should I bee slow as tortoise ? |
| 07:14.08 | Gurpartap_ | threshold for no. of lines should increase |
| 07:14.15 | Gurpartap_ | otherwise it's pretty lame |
| 07:14.23 | eject_ck | 4 lines is not much I guess |
| 07:14.28 | zinx | sorry, but it's been this way for a very long time and is unlikely to change |
| 07:14.51 | eject_ck | ok, let ask your help instead this #flood ;) |
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| 07:15.32 | losher | MadMoney: They're also much higher capacity & physically smaller, so the tolerances are tighter. Even with improved reliability, they still fail, sometimes with minimal warning. See http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.html |
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| 07:16.07 | cast | starts a short story |
| 07:17.08 | MadMoney | losher: That brings up an interesting idea. You can have file system redundancy across multiple disks. But what if you had two partitions that were identical on the same disk? I wonder if this would give you some of the advantages of a RAID. |
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| 07:17.24 | MadMoney | I know multiple partitoins is encouraged in *nix. |
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| 07:18.07 | jeeves | how can I let my user access the /var/log/ files? all I want to be able to do is read them without sudoing it |
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| 07:18.45 | cast | rant : you know, i had a netbook with XP, that disk ticked once a second. i thought it was due to some crappy app, so explained my situation in the windows channel and that i was looking for a means to work out what program was hitting the HD once a second. then got told by multiple individuals it was the "tick of death". unconvinced i isolated it down to my wireless connection software, using filemon, edited the .ini file and all was well :), |
| 07:18.54 | nsadmin | MadMoney: well the reasoning is you're protecting certain places in the filesystem from filling up |
| 07:19.17 | nsadmin | this is necessary on a server if you want to be up more than 3 months |
| 07:19.25 | MadMoney | Yeah. |
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| 07:20.07 | losher | MadMoney: bad idea. When a disk or controller goes bad, it can easily take all partitions with it. For backup, you want a different disk on a different controller, preferably on a different machine with different power... |
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| 07:21.02 | hark | jeeves: add yourself to the adm group. /msg dpkg adm |
| 07:21.06 | MadMoney | losher: Okay, that makes sense. |
| 07:21.33 | jeeves | hark, I'm a part of the ADM group! |
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| 07:30.01 | khaije|amalt | best mysql admin package? |
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| 07:30.36 | radex | mysql-client |
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| 07:32.46 | khaije|amalt | are there any good gui tools for managing pgsql and mysql? |
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| 07:34.23 | C0dpe | I changed my root password.. now I'm trying to login and it says Access Denied. I didn't logou in the consoled whre I changed the pass.. may be that the problem? |
| 07:34.38 | C0dpe | (The password are right, I'm sure) |
| 07:34.43 | C0dpe | is* |
| 07:36.56 | foxtrot | anyone know a good GUI scp client |
| 07:37.22 | foxtrot | khaije|amalt, phpmyadmin for mysql |
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| 07:41.31 | cast | !phpmyadmin |
| 07:41.31 | dpkg | well, phpmyadmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
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| 07:41.54 | cast | was expecting something negative |
| 07:42.40 | foxtrot | anyone wanna recommend a gui ftp program? |
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| 07:43.38 | C0dpe | interesting.. I made su - root as root and it updated the password |
| 07:43.40 | cast | gftp |
| 07:43.46 | C0dpe | the updates are made on logout? |
| 07:43.48 | khaije|amalt | foxtrot: ftp is integrated into lots of stuff, i use konqueror |
| 07:44.34 | khaije|amalt | cast: ive heard a lot about phpmyadmin, looking at it now i'm surprised how ugly it is, is it really the best choice? |
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| 07:48.35 | bluegene | khaije|amalt, what is ugly about phpmyadmin, i looks pretty normal?! |
| 07:48.39 | cast | khaije|amalt: i think the best choice is to not use php admin software |
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| 07:51.06 | khaije|amalt | bluegene: i wasn't trying to be facetious, in case it seemed that way, i'm probably more accustomed to the fat clients that use fancy modern toolkits and more aethetic layouts, like pgadmin (for example_ |
| 07:51.07 | khaije|amalt | ) |
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| 07:53.45 | TheCoffeMaker | someone knows were can I find good documentation abt augmented reality in english or spanish? |
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| 07:57.58 | mohammed510 | I have an error here while trying to use apt-get install |
| 07:58.12 | mohammed510 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.22 | mohammed510 | What is the solution |
| 07:58.44 | mohammed510 | ?? |
| 07:58.57 | rozie | you have to find why |
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| 08:00.05 | mohammed510 | rozie : I made hibernate while installing the kde |
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| 08:00.39 | mohammed510 | rozie : I know that it was a big mistake , but now I have to solve this problem and I don't know how |
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| 08:06.49 | richardcavell | Is there a way to mark a package as being used so that apt-get autoremove doesn't get rid of it? |
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| 08:09.47 | dysfunctional | richardcavell: you could always download the .deb files |
| 08:10.12 | richardcavell | dysfunctional: It's skype. I downloaded it from the website. It's not in the repos (anymore). |
| 08:10.20 | dysfunctional | oh.. |
| 08:10.24 | rozie | what? |
| 08:10.48 | richardcavell | dysfunctional: I did download the .deb file from the skype website. But because skype.com doesn't have a repository, I can't add it to my apt-get sources |
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| 08:11.49 | rozie | richardcavell: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 08:12.02 | rozie | try to add this to your sources list |
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| 08:12.21 | richardcavell | Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 204.9.165.83 80] |
| 08:12.44 | rozie | I think amd64 is the problem here |
| 08:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | autoremove doesn't remove packages that were not pulled in as a dependency |
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| 08:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !unmarkauto |
| 08:13.20 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
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| 08:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, think of using one of the free alternatives instead of skype |
| 08:14.00 | richardcavell | dpkg: I don't think I've installed bits of it |
| 08:14.01 | dpkg | richardcavell: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:14.07 | richardcavell | dpkg: no |
| 08:14.07 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 08:14.14 | cast | indeed, debian - the free OS! |
| 08:14.25 | richardcavell | dpkg: I mean to say all I did was install skype from skype.com |
| 08:14.25 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, richardcavell |
| 08:14.27 | rozie | but there's no free alternative for skype protocol AFAIK |
| 08:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | richardcavell, it's a bot |
| 08:14.39 | rozie | or am I wrong? |
| 08:14.42 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: SSSSH! |
| 08:14.52 | simonrvn | grins |
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| 08:15.35 | cast | rozie: solution, use a different protocol :) |
| 08:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, because fucking skype protocol is not free... they probably can't protect it, but it's "secret", I guess |
| 08:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !skype |
| 08:15.53 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 08:16.00 | simonrvn | skype tries to rope you in by the gonads |
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| 08:16.36 | cast | CutMeOwnThroat: i guess open would be a better term, |
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| 08:17.21 | rozie | cast: I do (jabber). But some people I want to contact use skype. Skype is great piece of software. |
| 08:17.36 | rozie | I wish it was free |
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| 08:18.14 | cast | surely being non-free, and deliberately obfiscated so reverse engineering is very difficult, are pretty negative features |
| 08:18.52 | richardcavell | Thanks, I've added the line to sources.list. Can I add an authentication key or is that not possible? |
| 08:19.02 | rozie | well, most people do not use it to RE it, just to talk/chat with other people ;) |
| 08:19.07 | simonrvn | not that great.. was so long ago that it grokked alsa... |
| 08:19.26 | simonrvn | rm, rephrase |
| 08:19.37 | simonrvn | started grokking |
| 08:19.43 | cast | unfortunately most people use technology from a position of ignorance :\ |
| 08:20.15 | rozie | simonrvn: OK, show me better soft to chat (type) with other people, to call to ordinary phones, to talk (voice) |
| 08:20.31 | simonrvn | um, CMOT showed you some. |
| 08:20.32 | rozie | has to be at least half as popular as skype |
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| 08:20.47 | simonrvn | popular != good |
| 08:20.56 | rozie | (skipping video support) |
| 08:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, they're all twice as popular |
| 08:21.21 | cast | the voip boxes you just plug your phone into are pretty nice :) |
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| 08:22.01 | rozie | CutMeOwnThroat: pidgin has no voice support and no calls to ordinary phones AFAIK |
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| 08:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never tried pidgin |
| 08:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I know ekiga and wengophone do |
| 08:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so are you trying to be contrary? |
| 08:23.09 | rozie | and ekiga and wengophone have twice as much users as skype? |
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| 08:23.44 | cast | what is up with this arbitrary 0.5x skpe bar |
| 08:24.47 | cast | wonders if gtalk [web client included] users outnumber skype |
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| 08:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, they're twice as popular |
| 08:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | with simonrvn |
| 08:25.54 | rozie | gtalk is open source? |
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| 08:26.51 | cast | rozie: nope, but libjingle is, google isn't out for protocol lockin with gtalk [it is just xmpp after all] |
| 08:27.44 | rozie | and there's no native linux client |
| 08:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, are ekiga and linphone both twice as popular with you than skype? |
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| 08:28.30 | rozie | sorry, I see no point to switch from skype at this moment |
| 08:28.45 | simonrvn | i don't use any of them :P. but i did like ekiga better. linphone crashed for me when i tried it. |
| 08:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rozie, see? |
| 08:29.34 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: what am i, the resident old fart? |
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| 08:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ".smell simonrvn" |
| 08:30.04 | rozie | skype never crashed to me |
| 08:30.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:30.22 | rozie | but well, I hardly ever run it |
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| 08:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then it's amazing |
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| 08:38.53 | raboof | how long does it typically take for a package to get promoted from unstable to testing? |
| 08:40.05 | rozie | at least 2 weeks IIRC |
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| 08:42.25 | glasyalabolis | raboof: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 08:42.37 | glasyalabolis | see the first numbered list. |
| 08:43.54 | raboof | right, looks reasonable |
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| 08:44.55 | raboof | is currently running ubuntu, but if i would contribute, basically no-one would see those fixes for up to 6 months unless they do some extra work. |
| 08:45.13 | raboof | when running a rolling distro like testing contributing seems more rewarding |
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| 08:55.01 | jamesstanley | What would be the best way to do a netinst if I have rt2500? |
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| 08:57.29 | Bilbo_Baggins | Why is linux doing away with phone line connections? I can still make my stand alone modem work, but it's becomming an even bigger pita as Linux evolves... |
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| 09:00.33 | luckylucy | i am trying to install debian, same cd used on 3 other computers, now getting invalid compressed format (err=1), how to get through this? |
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| 09:01.33 | TLF | hello, anyone using KDE4 can please install kolourpaint4 to do a test for me? |
| 09:01.40 | jamesstanley | luckylucy: did you do the thing where it checks the md5 sum of the disk? |
| 09:01.45 | jamesstanley | perhaps your disk has got scratched |
| 09:01.50 | cast | Bilbo_Baggins: surely wvdial works as good as it always has? |
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| 09:03.56 | luckylucy | jamesstanley: the disk is clean, like a mirror, and it worked on another computer, i will check the md5, but i doubt it will be wrong, the disk worked already... |
| 09:04.23 | jamesstanley | i think there's an error checker on the disk |
| 09:04.29 | jamesstanley | so you can just run that when it boots up |
| 09:05.10 | luckylucy | yeah, the media checker, but i can't get to the install to check it. |
| 09:05.38 | jamesstanley | is it some exotic hardware you're trying to install on? |
| 09:06.10 | luckylucy | no, single core, 2.94gHz celeron, with 1gb ram, nothing special at all, just an hp that had xp on it. |
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| 09:06.45 | cast | cd damaged since? bunged cd reader? |
| 09:06.57 | luckylucy | the only thing that is different, is the hdd has a corrupt version of debian on it already. |
| 09:06.59 | jamesstanley | luckylucy: some people seem to think that a dodgy cd drive causes these errors |
| 09:07.13 | jamesstanley | "I found enough to indicate there probably was some problem with my cdrom drive. It was an older Shuttle SD-360 36x atapi. I went out and got a Samsung CD-R/RW, put it in, and the installation proceeded from there." |
| 09:07.19 | luckylucy | i have two in the computer, i'll try the other. |
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| 09:07.44 | luckylucy | hmm, now i got hdc: drive not ready for command... |
| 09:08.02 | TLF | noone with KDE4? |
| 09:08.07 | jamesstanley | you rebooted the computer luckylucy? |
| 09:08.09 | jamesstanley | that was fast |
| 09:08.12 | chellomere | luckylucy, sounds like hardware problems, yeah |
| 09:08.20 | chellomere | oh wait |
| 09:08.25 | chellomere | the _other_ one |
| 09:08.34 | chellomere | is the other one in the bios boot order? |
| 09:08.59 | jamesstanley | luckylucy: hdc: drive not ready for command sounds like it is trying to read from the wrong cd drive |
| 09:09.06 | jamesstanley | presumably hdc is the first one you'd try |
| 09:10.12 | luckylucy | ok, if i put in one, i get hdc drive not ready error, if i put in the other i get the font error. maybe i'll try my usb cdrom. |
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| 09:14.49 | mischief | does anyone here use dnsmasq + static dhcp assignment? |
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| 09:15.34 | JyZyXEL | mischief: what do you mean static dhcp assignment? |
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| 09:16.36 | mischief | JyZyXEL, clients use dhcp, but the dhcp server has a mac/id - ip mapping which it will assign, rather than from a pool |
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| 09:17.01 | JyZyXEL | yea i do that |
| 09:17.38 | mischief | JyZyXEL, using dnsmasq? |
| 09:17.45 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 09:17.52 | mischief | how did you configure it to do that? |
| 09:18.15 | JyZyXEL | no i mean im also using dnsmasq |
| 09:18.39 | mischief | i know...how did you configure dnsmasq to use static dhcp assignment? |
| 09:19.40 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean use those |
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| 09:19.55 | JyZyXEL | address=/laptop/192.168.0.104 |
| 09:20.01 | JyZyXEL | thats how i use dnsmasq |
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| 09:20.46 | JyZyXEL | do you mean you would like dnsmasq dynamically take that information from dhcpd confs? |
| 09:21.03 | mischief | um, i'm asking how did you get dnsmasq to assign certain IPs for certain mac addresses instead of from a pool |
| 09:21.16 | JyZyXEL | i didn't |
| 09:21.21 | JyZyXEL | i use dhcpd for that |
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| 09:21.39 | mischief | okay..how did you get dhcpd to do that then? |
| 09:22.40 | JyZyXEL | host laptop { hardware ethernet 00:1F:9A:80:56:C8; fixed-address 192.168.0.104; } |
| 09:23.08 | mischief | hmm |
| 09:23.30 | mischief | i am wondering how to do it with /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts |
| 09:24.00 | JyZyXEL | no you do it with a DHCP server |
| 09:24.07 | mischief | :/ |
| 09:24.30 | mischief | you can have dnsmasq read /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts - i am wondering how exactly to do it |
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| 09:25.13 | JyZyXEL | yea dnsmasq can in fact act as a DHCP server too |
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| 09:26.06 | JyZyXEL | did you read the conf file |
| 09:26.11 | JyZyXEL | its nicely documented |
| 09:26.30 | JyZyXEL | well commented |
| 09:27.39 | mischief | JyZyXEL, i don't want to do the static assignment inside the dnsmasq.conf file - there is a way to do it via /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts.. :/ |
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| 09:33.38 | SeicherlBoB | hi! I tried to update my etch one last time to upgrade to lenny - now i get a GPG error when "apt-get update"ing, telling me that "Release" signatures can not be verivied. I googled around, but I got no clue how to fix that. |
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| 09:35.10 | a-l-e | hi, i'm trying to install debian on my computer (running ubuntu otherwise: so it's compatible...) from a netinstall usb stick (already used for a eeepc, so it's working...) and the installer fails to formt the partition (sda1) i want to use for /... |
| 09:35.13 | a-l-e | ... any idea? |
| 09:35.23 | omid8bimo | when i connect a usb mouse to my laptop, it wont work! i can see it at lsusb output but none of them will work. what could be wrong? |
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| 09:36.13 | a-l-e | "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sda) failed" |
| 09:36.35 | dbbolton | is there a difference between running "init 6" and "shutdown -r +0"? |
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| 09:37.19 | a-l-e | aaaah! depp! |
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| 09:37.46 | a-l-e | sorry, found the problem (i've mounted the partition to check that i'm indeed deleting the right partition) |
| 09:39.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | Can I say something in the debian channel if no one cares? ( I'm not going to curse, but I feel I need to say this so I "possibly" may not be ostricised) Since I've only watched the channel for a long time now. |
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| 09:40.06 | Bilbo_Baggins | I've tried to run debian before. |
| 09:40.15 | cahoot | some prelude |
| 09:40.24 | dbbolton | i think it's a pretty safe bet that no one cares, unless you are going to say something about ubuntu |
| 09:40.57 | Bilbo_Baggins | I broke my kernel installing .... my nividia drivers... |
| 09:41.00 | Bilbo_Baggins | um.... |
| 09:41.13 | SeicherlBoB | ok... apt-get install debian-archive-keyring fixed the problem for the main sources. but i still have the same error for "backports.org etch-backports Release" |
| 09:41.26 | Bilbo_Baggins | Quoting dbb...Ok, I now won't say anything about ubuntu... :/ |
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| 09:42.57 | dbbolton | maybe try #ubuntu |
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| 09:43.18 | SeicherlBoB | ok... fixed |
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| 09:44.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | Honestly, I"m running an even more bastard child then Ubuntu right now.... cries... (I WANT TO KNOW BETTER, I can edit my sources.list and my grub...by hand...I even run irssi for irc.. But I am a drunk, and I wish to be a guru (Forgive this example) a geek savant?! |
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| 09:45.06 | Bilbo_Baggins | I can even format my partitions how I want, I don't, because I'm lazy. |
| 09:45.28 | dbbolton | yeah, definitely try #ubuntu |
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| 09:46.51 | Bilbo_Baggins | I'm sry. I will keep this channel active, so I can still log and watch, and hopefully learn. (My first attempt at Linus's verson of an OS was RHEL, Does that count?) |
| 09:47.01 | Bilbo_Baggins | I know rpms. |
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| 09:47.22 | dbbolton | are we supposed to be impressed or what |
| 09:47.26 | cast | linus doesn't have a version of an OS |
| 09:47.28 | dbbolton | are you applying for a job |
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| 09:48.35 | Bilbo_Baggins | I'm looking for someone who may actually have a soul and feel like helping me learn. Otherwise, I can do it solo, and learn to "hate" like you have. |
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| 09:48.43 | obsidieth | it seems all of my fonts have disappeared |
| 09:48.54 | Bilbo_Baggins | That is how I say it nicely. |
| 09:49.27 | Bilbo_Baggins | May everyone burn. |
| 09:49.35 | obsidieth | im not really sure where to start fixing this |
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| 09:50.31 | cast | Bilbo_Baggins: non-free software seems to be a major source of problems in debian [and perhaps elsewhere?] |
| 09:50.46 | cast | Bilbo_Baggins: nvidia drivers, flash, among other things |
| 09:51.14 | dbbolton | Bilbo_Baggins ok, I'll tell you how to access the secrete debian knowledge database |
| 09:51.21 | dbbolton | http://www.google.com/ |
| 09:51.39 | omid8bimo | when i connect a usb mouse to my laptop, it wont work! i can see it at lsusb output but none of them will work. what could be wrong? |
| 09:52.20 | dbbolton | omid8bimo which kernel |
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| 09:57.04 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ok, Here is a though, I "Know" google...I know it well, I have had COBOL (SCREW IT, Lotus is the way!) Fortran, C, and Assembler for the IBM 360.... I fluned out cause I was a drunk. I "HATE" glory mongers that feel there better then the rest..... |
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| 09:58.48 | Bilbo_Baggins | Hell, The old IBM Dos is better then you pecker sucking glory dirge rats......same for Ubuntu, same for Gentoo, same for them all....Anyone who is a jackass and hordes knowledge oversome is a Megolomania Tyant. |
| 09:58.50 | cast | they are* |
| 09:59.11 | dbbolton | Bilbo_Baggins i think the best way to get help is a) ask a specific question and b) don't go on beligerant rants |
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| 10:00.58 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ok. A specific question. I do ask your forgiveness again... dbbolton brought me back to earth....TY "Thank YOU".... So a specific question. I want to run Debian, I know Gnome... Here is the problem.... (contunied..) |
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| 10:01.58 | Bilbo_Baggins | I ran with debian for a while, but when I tried to install my nividia drivers....from nividia...I crunched my kernel....Hardcore. |
| 10:02.24 | dbbolton | did you use the nvidia installer or module assistant |
| 10:02.25 | nkuttler | Bilbo_Baggins: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:02.31 | cantido | wonders would crunching a kernel is |
| 10:02.37 | cantido | s/would/what/ |
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| 10:02.46 | Bilbo_Baggins | It was before the new Debian update. |
| 10:02.51 | Bilbo_Baggins | It was during... |
| 10:02.58 | Bilbo_Baggins | um.... cannot remember the name.. |
| 10:03.06 | Bilbo_Baggins | I am wasted right now. |
| 10:03.12 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: you realise you can get more that ~40 chars on a line right? |
| 10:03.16 | Bilbo_Baggins | Lots of backspce too. |
| 10:03.24 | cantido | s/that/than/ - bad type day |
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| 10:03.28 | Bilbo_Baggins | I'm drukn. |
| 10:03.28 | nkuttler | Bilbo_Baggins: get some sleep, come back when sober |
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| 10:03.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | drunk even. |
| 10:04.00 | Bilbo_Baggins | But I can still think. I can still type. I dumbfound people. |
| 10:04.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | Give me a try with bash.... =D |
| 10:04.35 | dbbolton | cantido as far as i know, you can't ruin a kernel by compiling a module for it, if you just remove that module |
| 10:04.37 | Bilbo_Baggins | I know bash, a little. |
| 10:04.53 | Bilbo_Baggins | I installed debian. |
| 10:05.05 | dbbolton | sorry, are you asking questions or trying to impress us again? |
| 10:05.13 | Bilbo_Baggins | I tryed to install "Envy"....I'm use to envy.... |
| 10:05.19 | Bilbo_Baggins | It went crunch |
| 10:05.23 | cantido | dbbolton: a bad module could cause panics etc,.. yes, you could just fix it by removing the module |
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| 10:05.37 | cantido | Bilbo_Baggins: what do you mean by "crunch"? |
| 10:05.53 | cantido | thought things usually went "bang" |
| 10:05.57 | Bilbo_Baggins | I can do without envy. I mean it didn't load past my psword for the bios. |
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| 10:06.29 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: 2.6.29 |
| 10:06.34 | Bilbo_Baggins | I've got to pee and get a drink....I'm sorry, I'll brb. ?) |
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| 10:08.47 | dbbolton | omid8bimo stock or custom? |
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| 10:09.58 | dbbolton | cantido i don't think he knows what the hell he's talking about |
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| 10:10.22 | amphi | there does seem to be a certain amount of raving ;) |
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| 10:11.07 | dbbolton | "look at me everybody, i'm so drunk but i can still act normal". what is this, sophomore year in highschool |
| 10:11.09 | cantido | It's a bit sad that people drink alone and then come foaming at the mouth on to irc |
| 10:12.59 | dbbolton | yeah, but it's been a fact of life since around 1992 |
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| 10:14.20 | Bilbo_Baggins | I just pissed myself. |
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| 10:14.41 | Bilbo_Baggins | But more then I want to know, I want to be with my brother. |
| 10:14.44 | Bilbo_Baggins | I am drunk. |
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| 10:15.24 | Bilbo_Baggins | So, Now I will change my bluejeans into gym shorts and wath "Golden Army" with him (I Loved that move!) |
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| 10:15.42 | Bilbo_Baggins | not wath, but watch |
| 10:15.47 | Bilbo_Baggins | sry |
| 10:16.28 | dbbolton | Bilbo_Baggins try #obnoxiousdrunk |
| 10:16.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ugh, I would bet, if any of you could see me now you wo8uld be dumbfounded. |
| 10:16.34 | Bilbo_Baggins | I am sry. |
| 10:16.40 | Bilbo_Baggins | Leaving. |
| 10:17.38 | Bilbo_Baggins | LMFAO...Ok, I made a new channel. I know how that works. |
| 10:17.49 | dbbolton | i thought yuo were leaving |
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| 10:18.22 | Bilbo_Baggins | yuo? |
| 10:18.26 | Bilbo_Baggins | I am. |
| 10:18.34 | dbbolton | like now |
| 10:18.48 | Bilbo_Baggins | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.09 | dbbolton | konw? |
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| 10:19.33 | Bilbo_Baggins | Exactly. No? |
| 10:19.44 | dbbolton | maybe you meant "know" |
| 10:19.54 | Bilbo_Baggins | And maybe you did too. |
| 10:19.57 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: stock kernel |
| 10:20.20 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: it's debian kernel from it's packages repositofy |
| 10:20.41 | TLF | anyone here using KDE4? |
| 10:20.57 | dbbolton | omid8bimo hmm, run: lsmod | grep hid |
| 10:21.08 | dbbolton | TLF try #debian-kde |
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| 10:21.22 | dbbolton | TLF but i am running kde from sid so i might be abe to help |
| 10:21.43 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: dont have it |
| 10:22.06 | jamesstanley | i have a netinst cd running, but it doesn't have rt2500 |
| 10:22.11 | Bilbo_Baggins | Heres a salute to everyone....I hope there good. Hack me. If you steal from me I will pursue you to the ends of the earth and take it back.. If you steal from my brother or hurt him in any way, do to him being on the same router....I will, find you. And I will ... you. |
| 10:22.14 | jamesstanley | is it at all possible to load rt2500 in to a running netinst? |
| 10:22.16 | dbbolton | omid8bimo that's weird. modprobe hid and usbhid |
| 10:22.32 | TLF | dbbolton: it's just with a program, called kolourpaint4, save dialog does not open. Can you try it to see if you have the same behavior? |
| 10:22.46 | nsadmin | jamesstanley: what hardware is that for |
| 10:22.52 | jamesstanley | ralink rt2500 wireless card |
| 10:23.00 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: okay i loaded them by modprobe now |
| 10:23.07 | jamesstanley | pci |
| 10:23.10 | nsadmin | do you happen to have a wired eth? |
| 10:23.16 | jamesstanley | on a different computer |
| 10:23.16 | dbbolton | TLF hold on, i have to install it |
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| 10:23.20 | nsadmin | and cables :) |
| 10:23.21 | jamesstanley | i can transfer packages with a usb pen drive |
| 10:23.40 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: it's okay now |
| 10:23.44 | TLF | dbbolton: thank you very much |
| 10:23.47 | dbbolton | omid8bimo good |
| 10:23.52 | nsadmin | if you can do that, then finish the install and reboot |
| 10:23.58 | omid8bimo | dbbolton: thanks dude, should i mention them inside /etc/modules |
| 10:24.01 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 10:24.05 | omid8bimo | ? |
| 10:24.08 | dbbolton | omid8bimo yeah probably |
| 10:24.12 | nsadmin | just the base, don't install other stuff now |
| 10:24.14 | Bilbo_Baggins | If your all so much "Geek" savants why do you not run in the #gentoo channel and hang with people who can at least compile everything form nothing. |
| 10:24.21 | dbbolton | if you want them loaded automatically every time you boot |
| 10:24.33 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ohhh, but your "Debian" |
| 10:24.35 | jamesstanley | nsadmin: can't i download the module on this computer i'm on now, and then move them to the netinst and then load them from the shell on vt2? |
| 10:24.39 | nsadmin | Bilbo_Baggins: I compile stuff all the time :) |
| 10:24.41 | valdyn | !ops Bilbo_Baggins |
| 10:24.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: Bilbo_Baggins |
| 10:25.02 | nsadmin | jamesstanley: you could try that... |
| 10:25.05 | jamesstanley | !ops wireless :( |
| 10:25.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jamesstanley complains about: wireless :( |
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| 10:25.15 | dbbolton | TLF yeah it works for me |
| 10:25.16 | jamesstanley | ok nsadmin i think i'll give it a go |
| 10:25.17 | valdyn | jamesstanley: please.. |
| 10:25.22 | jamesstanley | sorry |
| 10:25.32 | amphi | wtf? |
| 10:25.35 | TLF | dbbolton: it opens? Thanks |
| 10:25.50 | TLF | weird, were can I look, it doesn't save :? |
| 10:25.54 | nsadmin | jamesstanley: that's for control issues and problems whose severity increase over time |
| 10:26.02 | Bilbo_Baggins | Calcium Carbide mixed with H2O.... Then difussed with Silver Nitrate. Makes an acetelyde. Slighty explosive. |
| 10:26.03 | dbbolton | TLF what happens when you hit ctrl+s |
| 10:26.04 | jamesstanley | the !ops thing? |
| 10:26.09 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 10:26.11 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 10:26.24 | dbbolton | uh-oh, someone knows how to read wikipedia |
| 10:26.31 | nsadmin | plus you get all the ops looking at you and it's just embarrasing :) |
| 10:26.36 | TLF | dbbolton: nothing, the same when I click on save :? |
| 10:26.41 | TLF | not even an error on terminal |
| 10:27.04 | TLF | it's weird because the "Open" dialog appears correctly |
| 10:27.05 | dbbolton | TLF which release- testing, sid, exper? |
| 10:27.14 | TLF | exper, but package is from SID |
| 10:27.50 | jamesstanley | nsadmin: i think i'll just move my computer to where my router is and plug it in with a cable |
| 10:27.53 | jamesstanley | anyway thanks |
| 10:28.01 | dbbolton | TLF just for kicks, try logging out or even restarting to see whether the bug is repeatable |
| 10:28.13 | nsadmin | jamesstanley: there ya go... I was hoping you had a cable |
| 10:28.35 | TLF | dbbolton: yeah, I did that (rebooting), tried reinstalling package... |
| 10:28.41 | jamesstanley | still a bit annoying though |
| 10:28.43 | dbbolton | TLF and if it is, you could ask in #debian-kde on oftc. they will know |
| 10:28.49 | nsadmin | then you can even install compilers and build it if worst comes to worst |
| 10:28.50 | jamesstanley | how big can rt2500 be? surely it can fit on the netinst |
| 10:29.07 | nsadmin | it's probably not part of the kernel |
| 10:29.13 | valdyn | jamesstanley: rt2x00 is in stock kernel |
| 10:29.21 | nsadmin | who's the guy that has newer netinsts? |
| 10:29.25 | valdyn | jamesstanley: while rt2500 is unsupported upstream |
| 10:29.29 | jamesstanley | valdyn: ? |
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| 10:29.33 | jamesstanley | is it on the newest netinst kernel? |
| 10:29.44 | valdyn | jamesstanley: not just the newest |
| 10:29.48 | nsadmin | valdyn: would rt2x00 work? |
| 10:29.51 | Bilbo_Baggins | (sad thing is, you will all die. I will too. And then what? You will all die, and I will too. |
| 10:29.53 | jamesstanley | well i couldn't convince it to work |
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| 10:31.23 | nsadmin | unsupported upstream? meaning it's not in any kernel yet? |
| 10:31.55 | jamesstanley | well it doesn't matter |
| 10:32.01 | jamesstanley | it's not too much trouble to do it with cables |
| 10:32.10 | jamesstanley | i need to clean everything out down there anyway |
| 10:32.19 | nsadmin | supposedly you don't have to stay that way |
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| 10:32.34 | jamesstanley | no i will get rt2500 during/after installing |
| 10:32.35 | nsadmin | valdyn\ |
| 10:32.47 | jamesstanley | it's worked before on the same card |
| 10:32.54 | valdyn | nsadmin: sure |
| 10:33.01 | nsadmin | is making noises like rt2500 is unsupported? |
| 10:33.11 | valdyn | hmm |
| 10:33.49 | valdyn | rt2500 is a driver by ralink, rt2x00 is a newer implementation by volunteers |
| 10:33.51 | nsadmin | valdyn: I'm pretty sure I don't understand yet... so if it's unsupported upstream, does that just mean no bug fixes? or that the whole driver isn't in the kernel? |
| 10:33.58 | nsadmin | ohh |
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| 10:34.11 | jamesstanley | valdyn: ah; i think it's rt2500 that i use |
| 10:34.11 | nsadmin | so rt2x00 could work for him now |
| 10:34.13 | valdyn | and rt2x00 is in mainline kernels |
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| 10:34.25 | jamesstanley | i'll try the netinst cd again |
| 10:34.37 | valdyn | the driver consists of several modules, one of which might be rt2500pci |
| 10:34.53 | SPF | why does it say dummy package? grub2 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package) |
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| 10:35.37 | Bilbo_Baggins | Install your grub or lilo in the mbr and be done with it. |
| 10:35.48 | nsadmin | SPF: it just depends on things without containing anything |
| 10:36.02 | valdyn | jamesstanley: one problem is that debian cant ship firmware, so you might have the proper driver but not the firmware |
| 10:36.29 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 10:36.30 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent |
| 10:36.30 | jamesstanley | valdyn: why would there be an open source rt2x00 that needs firmware? what's wrong with rt2500? |
| 10:36.38 | nsadmin | does he need firmware with that card? |
| 10:36.44 | jamesstanley | i'm fairly sure rt2500 is open source |
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| 10:36.56 | valdyn | jamesstanley: thats unrelated, some cards need firmware, some dont |
| 10:37.05 | jamesstanley | i know this card doesn't with rt2500 |
| 10:37.08 | valdyn | jamesstanley: both drivers are free software |
| 10:37.11 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 10:37.12 | valdyn | jamesstanley: alright then |
| 10:37.40 | nsadmin | oh, free software? meaning gpl? |
| 10:37.49 | valdyn | dfsg free |
| 10:37.57 | SPF | Bilbo_Baggins: I did, but I cannot get my console resolution up to 1024x768 with vga=791. #grub doesn't support grub legacy. so I was wondering to upgrade to grub2 |
| 10:39.15 | Bilbo_Baggins | Do you know where the .debs lie for the update? .... Do you know who grubs works? If so, either get it off the net, "or write it yourself". |
| 10:39.41 | jamesstanley | iwconfig in a shell says "link level: 0 noise level: 0 signal level: 0" |
| 10:39.53 | valdyn | SPF: changing boot manager just for a different console resolution is probably silly, and not useful |
| 10:40.09 | Bilbo_Baggins | Guess iwconfig lies. LMAO |
| 10:40.10 | jamesstanley | valdyn: ? |
| 10:40.16 | jamesstanley | what's the correct way to set the resolution? |
| 10:40.22 | amphi | jamesstanley: iwlist <iface> scan shows anything? |
| 10:40.46 | jamesstanley | it finds somebody elses access point |
| 10:40.48 | jamesstanley | but not mine |
| 10:40.54 | amphi | heh |
| 10:40.57 | jamesstanley | mine has essid hidden, but i've set it in iwconfig |
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| 10:41.17 | jamesstanley | does iwlist scan find ap's that don't broadcast the essid? |
| 10:41.31 | jamesstanley | can it see other traffic to that ap or something? |
| 10:43.12 | jamesstanley | also, why is there no ifconfig in the installer? |
| 10:43.17 | jamesstanley | how are you supposed to set that up? |
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| 10:44.08 | amphi | the netinstall asks whether you want to use dhcp or manual iface config if I recall correctly |
| 10:44.11 | kai4711 | hi guys... i am trying around with debian on virtualbox. now i added a second Nic-Interface (one NAT second Hostonly) but Debian does not detect the 2nd one. How can i reconfigure/detect new NICs? |
| 10:44.44 | jamesstanley | amphi: yeah it does, but how do you do it from a shell? |
| 10:44.58 | jamesstanley | kai4711: does lspci show both of them? |
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| 10:45.24 | amphi | dunno - it's long since I installed debian |
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| 10:47.19 | jamesstanley | does anyone know why the minimum size for my root partition is 7GB? |
| 10:47.28 | jamesstanley | I have a debian installation that only use 400MB of it's root partition |
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| 10:48.02 | cast | it's not |
| 10:48.11 | jamesstanley | it won't let me set anything smaller than 7.6GB |
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| 10:48.47 | jamesstanley | if i delete the old partition instead of resizing it lets me make it smaller |
| 10:48.48 | jamesstanley | weird |
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| 10:50.01 | cast | i tend to like debootstrap more than the installer :) |
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| 10:50.50 | kai4711 | jamesstanley: Yes lspci shows both of them: 00:03.0 and 00:08.0 |
| 10:51.24 | jamesstanley | does ifconfig -a show both? |
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| 10:54.09 | kai4711 | jamesstanley: yes i think so. i have a eth0 and eth1 but eth1 doesnt have andy ip |
| 10:55.11 | jamesstanley | you will probably need to give it an entry in /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 10:55.14 | jamesstanley | for now, try dhclient eth1 |
| 10:55.17 | jamesstanley | see if it gets an ip address |
| 10:55.24 | jamesstanley | that is, type "dhclient eth1" in a shell |
| 10:56.55 | a-l-e | when updating in aptitude i get a "Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org' ... |
| 10:57.33 | a-l-e | i can ping security.,debian.org and this laptop which also has debian testing can update with no problems... |
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| 10:59.09 | a-l-e | mmmh i guess it's morre about "http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release.gpg [ERROR]"... |
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| 11:00.10 | hugo | when using kvm in debian, which command am i supposed to use? /usr/bin/kvm or /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64? |
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| 11:00.36 | cast | kvm is fine |
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| 11:00.42 | songohan | hi everybody |
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| 11:01.21 | songohan | someone could help to configure my wifi connexion at startup ? |
| 11:01.47 | hugo | cast: are you using kvm on debian? |
| 11:02.06 | jamesstanley | songohan: google about setting up /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:02.08 | jamesstanley | for reference, mine is |
| 11:02.16 | jamesstanley | erm |
| 11:02.20 | songohan | i have the following error :laptop:/home/songohan# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:02.20 | songohan | Reconfiguring network interfaces...wlan0 no private ioctls. |
| 11:02.20 | songohan | Failed to bring up wlan0. |
| 11:02.20 | songohan | done. |
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| 11:02.23 | jamesstanley | i'll put it in a pastebin |
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| 11:03.09 | jamesstanley | songohan: http://pastebin.ca/1499198 |
| 11:03.17 | jamesstanley | actually the first of those nameservers is down atm iirc |
| 11:03.41 | jamesstanley | if you do "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" then you don't need anything except wireless-essid and wireless-key |
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| 11:04.23 | poisonbit | somebody knows how can I customize the gnome-terminal cursor... when the window is active and when is inactive ? |
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| 11:05.24 | songohan | jamesstanley i want to use a wpa2 key (AES cryptage) |
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| 11:05.31 | hugo | i've been trying to set up kvm on lenny but not yet get it up well |
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| 11:06.18 | hugo | how can i run a guest os on kvm with networking support |
| 11:06.25 | poisonbit | i want to put a blinking white square when it's active, and a static grey square (full, not empty), when it's inactive (current is http://imagebin.ca/img/Mnd8Ls.png) |
| 11:06.26 | hugo | ? |
| 11:06.27 | jamesstanley | songohan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136 might help |
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| 11:08.28 | songohan | ok i've already seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834, i will your link |
| 11:08.36 | songohan | will see |
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| 11:10.55 | radex | hugo: setup bridge and assigne guest to it |
| 11:11.11 | kai4711 | jamesstanley: dhclient eth1 works! |
| 11:12.16 | jamesstanley | nice kai4711 |
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| 11:12.24 | hugo | radex: is this the step? http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Networking |
| 11:12.49 | jamesstanley | to anyone telling me rt2500 card should work: it didn't work at all in the installer; i booted up after installing the minimal stuff on the netinst disk and it works perfectly with no configuration |
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| 11:13.02 | jamesstanley | so that's good enough for me |
| 11:13.30 | radex | hugo: better http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-debian-lenny-server |
| 11:13.42 | kai4711 | in /etc/networking/interaces there are two lines for eth0 |
| 11:13.49 | kai4711 | one with hot-plug the other one with dhcp |
| 11:13.52 | radex | hugo: libvirt will help you start with kvm |
| 11:13.53 | jamesstanley | that's fine |
| 11:13.57 | kai4711 | do i have to copy them both for eth1 |
| 11:13.57 | kai4711 | ? |
| 11:13.59 | jamesstanley | yes |
| 11:14.10 | jamesstanley | for eth0 it'll be something like |
| 11:14.13 | jamesstanley | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:14.16 | jamesstanley | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:14.17 | jamesstanley | yes? |
| 11:14.23 | jamesstanley | if so, just copy that and replace eth0 with eth1 |
| 11:14.25 | kai4711 | right! |
| 11:14.27 | kai4711 | allright |
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| 11:15.41 | hugo | radex: i'm using dhcp but that howto assumes static address |
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| 11:17.01 | radex | hugo: guest will use the same dhcp server? or You want to make nat? |
| 11:18.28 | hugo | radex: anything will as long as i can ssh from host to guest |
| 11:19.00 | action09 | hi all |
| 11:19.08 | radex | hugo: http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#GuestsonNATedinternalnetwork |
| 11:19.34 | radex | hugo: there You have nat and above when You want to have guest in the same network |
| 11:19.49 | radex | hugo: just try it |
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| 11:21.39 | hugo | radex: with nat, "The host and guest will not see each other. " seems like bridge way is the way to go |
| 11:22.15 | action09 | what opportunity to use grsec on Debian system ? no entry on wiki. Only "linux-patch-grsecurity2" in repository.. recommended packages are linux-source-2.6.24,linux-patch-debian-2.6.24. I use last kernel from stable (2.6.26-1-686) so, no way to use it on this version ? i suppose i must boot on 2.624+debian patch + grsec2 ? |
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| 11:31.18 | hugo | radex: sudo kvm -hda netinst.iso -boot d -m 512 -vnc :1 -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no |
| 11:32.33 | cast | you don't need to sudo |
| 11:32.47 | hugo | cast: open /dev/kvm: Permission denied |
| 11:32.59 | cast | chmod /dev/kvm |
| 11:33.08 | cast | shock horror |
| 11:33.10 | rvalles_ | add your user to kvm group |
| 11:33.11 | rvalles_ | or sth |
| 11:33.18 | cast | ahh, what rvalles_ said :) |
| 11:33.22 | rvalles_ | also, you can put the url of the iso instead (or was it qemu?) |
| 11:33.28 | nsadmin | ls -l /dev/kvm first |
| 11:33.35 | nsadmin | err |
| 11:33.40 | nsadmin | ls -ld/dev/kvm first |
| 11:34.21 | hugo | added me to kvm group |
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| 11:35.09 | hugo | now i got : warning: could not configure /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation |
| 11:35.10 | cast | you need to login again, or run newgrp |
| 11:35.38 | a-l-e | i still get the "temporary failure updating" in aptitude :-( |
| 11:36.17 | hugo | cast: of course i did |
| 11:36.34 | hugo | cast permission denied is gone now, but different msg |
| 11:36.39 | a-l-e | i can ping the servers which fail from the very same computer.... |
| 11:36.50 | a-l-e | and the same source.list works on this computer i'm currently using. |
| 11:37.00 | hugo | dev/net/tun is not owned by kvm group |
| 11:37.25 | a-l-e | i could install debian, upgrade to testing but then i can't install any package anymore. |
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| 11:37.47 | cast | i used a different means of networking to you, |
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| 11:39.28 | hugo | i'm following this: http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#GuestsonNATedinternalnetwork |
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| 11:42.41 | hugo | use sudo for the moment |
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| 11:43.30 | debam | hi to all,i am running bluetooth server and client rfcomm program in system..but client is giving error as no route to host |
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| 11:46.28 | a-l-e | is there a good way to install debian testing? i don't seem to be able to get a working system starting from the minimal install to testing. |
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| 11:46.54 | nkuttler | a-l-e: minimal stable install? |
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| 11:49.02 | stefan | hello |
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| 11:49.29 | stefan | i try to get the hostname from my router. I say require host-name and request host-name in dhclient.conf |
| 11:49.37 | stefan | what do i need to do else? |
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| 11:52.18 | a-l-e | nkuttler: only basic system, installed from a netinst.iso |
| 11:53.01 | a-l-e | if i do "apt-key list", i only get the keys for the stable releases... |
| 11:53.02 | a-l-e | (for lenny) |
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| 11:58.57 | babilen | hi all. apt-get is unable to get a source package for mutt .. What can i do to fix it? Or what might cause that? |
| 11:59.25 | babilen | and yes, i have deb-src in the sources.list |
| 11:59.48 | babilen | that behaviour is observed on squeeze |
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| 12:06.12 | xand | how do I get bash to forget where it thinks a program is? I deleted something that was manually installed and installed a packaged version, but it's still trying to look in /usr/local/bin when I run the program, and thus can't find it (it's now in /usr/bin) |
| 12:06.17 | xand | without restarting bash |
| 12:06.18 | stefan | can anyone explain this error: "DHCPOFFER from 192.168.x.x: no host-name option |
| 12:07.17 | g00se | xand: it will only look in $PATH |
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| 12:07.26 | xand | the program is in $PATH. |
| 12:07.37 | xand | but it's looking in the wrong place |
| 12:07.52 | xand | xand@centauri:~$ mencoder |
| 12:07.52 | xand | bash: /usr/local/bin/mencoder: No such file or directory |
| 12:07.58 | xand | it's in /usr/bin now |
| 12:08.10 | cast | #bash would be the experts, i'd say |
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| 12:09.43 | g00se | xand: Try as temporary measure export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH |
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| 12:10.14 | xand | the answer is hash -r |
| 12:11.22 | g00se | ? |
| 12:11.30 | a-l-e | installed debian for the third time... now: what should i do to upgrade it to testing? |
| 12:11.38 | a-l-e | only the base packages are installed (no desktop) |
| 12:11.50 | hugo | thanks all, i've finally succeeded to set up guest oses on kvm with networking |
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| 12:13.29 | g00se | a-l-e: Isn't there now an option to *install* testing? |
| 12:14.03 | a-l-e | g00se: i didn't get that option on the netinst i downloaded... |
| 12:14.03 | babilen | why can't i get s source package for mutt with apt-get? or where can i find it? |
| 12:14.29 | Selveste1_ | Hey :) I'm trying to get AutoFS + LDAP + Samba to work in some sort of roaming profile on a mixed environment - On my debian clients how do I prevent that everybody can read each-others home-dirs ? Is there some kind of security I have missed to activate ? |
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| 12:15.03 | babilen | a-l-e: adjust your sources.list, set default release in apt configuration/pin, update aptitude, full/dist upgrade |
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| 12:15.33 | babilen | a-l-e: alternatively, get a testing netinst image and install from that |
| 12:16.03 | Selveste1_ | Server and clients is Debian Lenny btw |
| 12:16.09 | g00se | babilen: is there not an option in 'expert mode' to install testing? |
| 12:16.14 | a-l-e | babilen: i'ts my third try now... so i want to go the secure way.... |
| 12:16.40 | babilen | g00se: there might be that option |
| 12:17.05 | g00se | a-l-e: The 'secure way' is the last option babilen mentioned |
| 12:17.07 | babilen | a-l-e: by try you mean to imply that your previous attempts to install debian failed? |
| 12:17.19 | babilen | a-l-e: use the CD |
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| 12:18.42 | a-l-e | for two times i had unreachable repositories after replacing lenny with testing |
| 12:18.58 | a-l-e | in sources.list and dist-upgrad(ing) |
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| 12:19.45 | a-l-e | i can upgrade the system to testing, but then it seems to miss the gpg keys for testing (and i can't install anything any more) |
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| 12:20.48 | babilen | first - don't use "testing", "stable", "oldstable" , ... in sources.list - this will cause a problem when squeeze becomes stable |
| 12:20.57 | babilen | use the names... |
| 12:20.59 | Selveste1__ | Hey :) I'm trying to get AutoFS + LDAP + Samba to work in some sort of roaming profile on a mixed environment - On my debian clients how do I prevent that everybody can read each-others home-dirs ? Is there some kind of security I have missed to activate ? Servers and clients is Debian Lenny |
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| 12:21.30 | raboof | babilen: what if i want to remain on 'testing', even when squeeze becomes stable? |
| 12:21.48 | a-l-e | babilen: i do want to have testing not some specific present or future release |
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| 12:21.58 | babilen | raboof: at the time squeeze becomes stable testing==stable |
| 12:22.11 | a-l-e | and the day after that day? |
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| 12:22.33 | babilen | raboof: then it takes a while until packages move from unstable (sid) to the new testing |
| 12:22.47 | Selveste1 | Dam wireless Connection ! |
| 12:23.16 | babilen | raboof: this is always quite a volatile time, and the advantage of running testing and not stable are not justified |
| 12:23.40 | raboof | since testing is more likely to be broken in that period? makes sense. |
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| 12:24.05 | babilen | raboof: after a while - and especially after the security team started to support testing, you can move to the new testing |
| 12:24.48 | a-l-e | ok, i will try to type squeeze instead of testing... is there any package i have to make sure in order to be sure that the gpg keys for the repositoriees get updated? |
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| 12:26.27 | stew | a-l-e: debian-archive-keyring, but stable/testing/unstable all use the same key |
| 12:26.31 | babilen | a-l-e: does another "aptitude update" fix the problem? |
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| 12:26.40 | a-l-e | no it didn't... |
| 12:26.42 | asg | Selveste1: /etc/adduser.conf ; Make sure DIR_MODE is set to 700 |
| 12:26.53 | a-l-e | i can try again now (i have installed some more packages than the last time...) |
| 12:26.57 | asg | Selveste1: for existing users, chmod 700 /home/<user> |
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| 12:32.12 | a-l-e | is the sources.list in http://pastebin.ch/2581 ok? |
| 12:32.12 | mischief | hey anyone real familiar with dhclient? my dhclient isn't sending a hostname to the dhcp server, any ideas? |
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| 12:36.25 | themill | mischief: add send host-name "yourhostname"; to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (man dhclient.conf) |
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| 12:36.49 | mischief | themill, why doesn't it read a hostname from /etc/hostname? :< |
| 12:37.17 | greenmang0 | themill: how to check if particular file is being accessed by certain application in real time?? |
| 12:37.28 | mischief | greenmang0, fstat |
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| 12:38.07 | greenmang0 | mischief: not available in debian repo.. i am afraid |
| 12:38.09 | themill | lsof, fuser, inotifywait, inotifywatch all do things like that. depends what you want to know |
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| 12:38.53 | greenmang0 | themill: thanks |
| 12:39.13 | mischief | greenmang0, oh sorry >_> had openbsd in my head |
| 12:39.43 | greenmang0 | mischief: oh.. and you still on #debian ?? :D |
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| 12:39.57 | mischief | i use em both. go figure :) |
| 12:40.57 | greenmang0 | salutes mischief |
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| 12:41.36 | Selveste1 | asg: On the server all is set with owner and 700 - but it dos not seams that this is transfert when NFS mounting /home :S |
| 12:41.37 | nsadmin | how would I get a list of models for snd-hda-intel? |
| 12:42.24 | a-l-e | updating |
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| 12:43.30 | a-l-e | upgrading |
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| 12:50.09 | themill | nsadmin: you could start by "grep snd-hda-intel /lib/modules/($uname -r)/modules.pcimap" and extract the pci-id from columns 2 and 3. You can then bash that against /usr/share/misc/pci.ids although that latter file isn't in an easily parsable format (it's hierarchical rather than flat/greppable) |
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| 12:50.49 | hanibana | hi all... |
| 12:51.02 | a-l-e | failed again :-( |
| 12:51.31 | a-l-e | after dist-upgrade i can't do any update any more :-( |
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| 12:52.26 | a-l-e | it really seems to be a problem with the gpg keys. |
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| 12:53.17 | a-l-e | http://pastebin.ch/2582 |
| 12:53.24 | hikenboot_ | hello I am running debian. I went and installed a 686 xen kernel . To my surprise it was a SMP kernel which is the wrong one. In the package discription it says 686 but does not say smp. Have I wrongly assumed that 686 can be both smp and non smp? |
| 12:53.56 | hanibana | sorry for such question... what can cause that the computer (actually an HP server) screen get darked the boot sequence? |
| 12:54.06 | Suppermann | Hello. I cannot get my microphone to work properly. I can barely hear some little noise when i blow into the microphone. It seems as if it doesn't amplify the mic at all |
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| 12:55.45 | hanibana | when booting.... |
| 12:56.10 | cantido | hanibana: all the kernels have SMP support now |
| 12:56.36 | cantido | hanibana: most new machines are some form of SMP so it doesn't make much sense to have UMP and SMP kernels |
| 12:56.46 | cantido | hanibana: sorry, wrong nick |
| 12:57.00 | cantido | hikenboot_: what I said to hanibana |
| 12:57.13 | hanibana | :( |
| 12:57.43 | cantido | Suppermann: check the gain setting in alsamixer |
| 12:57.59 | a-l-e | does anybody know how i can solve the problem with the hosts which can't be resolved from apt-get? |
| 12:58.07 | Suppermann | cantido, I have |
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| 12:58.20 | a-l-e | (i can normally reach the network from that client and apt-get worked normally before upgrading) |
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| 12:58.36 | hikenboot_ | ah so i have to install 386 version or build my own |
| 12:58.37 | a-l-e | http://pastebin.ch/2582 |
| 12:58.41 | cantido | Suppermann: you have the right input source too? |
| 12:58.44 | Suppermann | cantido, it does provide white noise, though |
| 12:58.52 | cantido | hikenboot_: why would you want a 386 kernel? |
| 12:58.57 | a-l-e | the sources.list looks lie this: |
| 12:59.00 | a-l-e | http://pastebin.ch/2581 |
| 12:59.19 | fxiny | hikenboot_: why ? check your logs -> SMP motherboard not detected -> SMP disabled |
| 12:59.44 | Suppermann | cantido, yes, I have. I can hear SOMETHING, but it's so not-loud that it's not usable |
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| 13:00.35 | cantido | Suppermann: mmm my thinking is that you could have your line-in selected and you're hearing leakage from the mic channel. |
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| 13:01.01 | Suppermann | cantido, my line-in is muted |
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| 13:01.35 | Suppermann | besides, I am sure I have set capture to microphone |
| 13:02.10 | cantido | what hardware is it? |
| 13:02.41 | Suppermann | SiS SI7012 |
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| 13:03.49 | flip | hey guys --- can someone help me (or @ least point me where i can find out) how to change the screen res in deb5 |
| 13:03.57 | flip | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.04 | flip | so im guessing that i should be looking elsewhere now |
| 13:04.16 | Suppermann | there's a switch called IEC958 that's off. I don't know what it does. I will try it now.. |
| 13:04.35 | cantido | flip: you can resize on the fly with xrandr |
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| 13:04.53 | flip | cantido: it says that 1280x1024 isnt in the list of supported modes. |
| 13:05.03 | flip | cantido: its stuck in 800x600 after a fresh install |
| 13:05.05 | Suppermann | no, that didnt make any difference. There's also a switch called external amplifier, but that doesnt seem to change anything |
| 13:05.34 | cantido | flip: what driver is it? |
| 13:06.40 | flip | cantido: nv (sorry i hadta look) |
| 13:06.42 | a-l-e | mmh... even if i try to ignore the pgp erro, i still can't download any new package :-( |
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| 13:07.26 | rozie | a-l-e: did you made apt-get update before apt-get install? |
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| 13:08.35 | hikenboot_ | cantido, fxiny I am getting a xen error which i was told was caused by having the wrong kernel installed I thought that SMP was the problem |
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| 13:09.02 | cantido | wonders why he's still trying to get xen running.. |
| 13:09.53 | cantido | flip: hmmm the only stuff I can find suggests using the nvidia driver instead of the free nv one :/ |
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| 13:10.39 | flip | xrandr -q lists only up to 800x600 |
| 13:10.48 | fxiny | fxiny never tryed to run xen on his powerful PII , yet ... |
| 13:10.51 | jvogel | hi does anyone have xmobar running on debian? |
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| 13:11.00 | flip | is there a way to add higher modes in a file like you iused to be able to in xorg.conf? |
| 13:11.18 | cantido | flip: the driver probably isn't reading all the available modes from your display |
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| 13:11.35 | flip | cantido: ok |
| 13:12.03 | cantido | flip: I know with older versions of the intel driver the modes needed to be in the video bios as well, so if they weren't you had to patch them in... I don't think that's the case with the nvidia stuff though |
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| 13:12.23 | ricdanger | hi |
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| 13:12.32 | a-l-e | rozie: i did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:12.35 | ricdanger | does anyone know if the new 5.0.2 supports the intel E1000e cards? |
| 13:12.39 | flip | cantido: its not the case w/ any other os :F |
| 13:12.51 | flip | cantido: i just installed lenny over opensolaris on this box... that was in 1280 |
| 13:13.03 | a-l-e | rozie: what you see is the result of apt-get update |
| 13:13.17 | cantido | flip: latest opensolaris build is newer than lenny though |
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| 13:13.45 | flip | cantido: so if i upgrade to testing ill be ok? ;) /me hopes |
| 13:14.04 | cantido | I'd rather work in 800x600 then use solaris' wonky packaging system though |
| 13:14.09 | krsna | where can i get infos on how to change the kernel? |
| 13:14.18 | a-l-e | very strange i can ping google.com, but i can't go there with iceweasel... |
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| 13:14.23 | cantido | flip: why not use the nvidia driver? |
| 13:15.01 | flip | cantido: *shrug* where do i get it from ... nvidia? or is there a pkg for it |
| 13:15.03 | nkuttler | krsna: define change |
| 13:15.19 | fxiny | a-l-e: ipv6 ? |
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| 13:15.35 | cantido | flip: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-January/042814.html -- seems to be the same issue? |
| 13:15.38 | krsna | nkuttler like "upgrading" from 26 to a custom pre-built 30 |
| 13:15.54 | nkuttler | !tell krsna about kp |
| 13:16.30 | hikenboot_ | cantido, what virtualization package do you suggest for a sempron processor machine? |
| 13:16.41 | Suppermann | cantido, i think you may be right about something. recording line-in gives the same result as recording mic |
| 13:16.42 | cantido | hikenboot_: there are lots of different semprons |
| 13:16.59 | a-l-e | fxiny: how can i check if there is a ipv6 problem? |
| 13:17.02 | krsna | !tell krsna about make-kpkg |
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| 13:17.07 | a-l-e | i could find out that it's a dns problem! |
| 13:17.14 | nkuttler | krsna: you can /msg the bot |
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| 13:17.22 | cantido | Suppermann: it might be that the alsa drivers dont actually know what to toggle to select the mic yet.. my mic has only recently started working |
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| 13:17.41 | Suppermann | cantido, what should i do then? |
| 13:17.48 | a-l-e | ... manually setting resolv.conf to the dns server of my provider instead of the currently set 192.168.1.1 fixed the problem... |
| 13:18.08 | a-l-e | still: i don't understand why it didn't happen before upgrading, and how to cleanly solve this problem. |
| 13:18.15 | krsna | nkuttler ok. i have found a prebuilt kernel from a link in wiki.debian.org isnt it possible to simply put this kernel there where my current kernel is? |
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| 13:18.33 | hikenboot_ | cantido 32 bit nothing special but have 3 gig of ram (max board allows) |
| 13:18.41 | nkuttler | krsna: install package, reboot |
| 13:18.42 | flip | cantido: ok! that link helped alot.. .it seems i to am not getting EDID info... so back to my original question since xorg.conf is null now; where can i manually input the HSYNC and VERTREFRESH values? |
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| 13:19.53 | hikenboot_ | cantido, 2.4 ghz i believe |
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| 13:20.05 | cantido | hikenboot_: any reason you want vms? |
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| 13:21.07 | hikenboot_ | for study perposes...heaven knows if i could afford it I would buy a itanium chip machine for its native virtualization and its large memory pages |
| 13:21.39 | hikenboot_ | would like to run windows vms but workstation/server vmware is too slow |
| 13:22.01 | cantido | hikenboot_: why would you want an itanium to run vm's? |
| 13:22.32 | cantido | flip: mmm it says there's another driver too :) |
| 13:22.48 | flip | cantido: i saw that as well |
| 13:23.00 | cantido | Suppermann: I tried googling your chipset, couldn't find anything :/ |
| 13:23.21 | flip | cantido: but in my Xorg.0.log file its totally applying the wrong sync ranges EDID isnt being recieved it tries to probe 3 times and fails |
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| 13:23.52 | krsna | nkuttler thx. well , in wiki.debian.org i found a link to a kernel, when untarred it consists of the vmlinuz, config and System.map files, the modules and the firmware. I would be interested on how i can put this kernel into my system |
| 13:23.56 | flip | cantido: its using horiz as 31-37 where my mon supports 31-81; and vert is 50-70 where my mon supports 56-75 |
| 13:24.16 | cantido | flip: it might just be trying defaults,.. is it a newish card? |
| 13:24.21 | flip | yes |
| 13:24.30 | flip | and they are the defaults it says that |
| 13:24.40 | flip | it tries to prob the mon like 3 times... gives up and uses defaults |
| 13:24.56 | flip | so i was thinking just if i can manually apply those #'s itd at least be worth a try |
| 13:24.59 | flip | then driver second |
| 13:25.58 | Suppermann | cantido, thank you for your help. I really appreciate it :) |
| 13:26.39 | cantido | Suppermann: you may find that line and mic actually mean the reverse, or something like that |
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| 13:27.09 | Suppermann | cantido, it seems that mic and line == line |
| 13:27.46 | flip | cantido: so again; any clues on where that file is? |
| 13:28.00 | flip | doesnt understand why linux got away from simple config files... it smells like it has a registry now |
| 13:28.01 | cantido | flip: /etc/X11 |
| 13:28.08 | flip | xorg.conf is empty in there |
| 13:28.10 | flip | 0 bytes |
| 13:28.24 | cantido | flip: you can still manually add stuff there if you want |
| 13:29.12 | flip | oh so like if i add a monitor section in there it overrides wherever X is magically getting stuff from now? |
| 13:29.19 | cantido | yup |
| 13:29.21 | flip | or do i need to somehow generate a full conf file and then edit it |
| 13:29.37 | hikenboot_ | cantido, supposedly for page switching between vms that are running on the itanium chips they have the ability to switch between the largest memory chunks |
| 13:29.52 | adb | flip: try also , X -configure |
| 13:30.09 | flip | thx adb u were reading my mind :P |
| 13:30.18 | cantido | hikenboot_: um, but if you want to run x86 guests, why would you use itanium? |
| 13:30.19 | babilen | hi all. has the security team resumed supporting testing yet? i have not heard anything about it since the suspension announcement |
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| 13:32.00 | hikenboot_ | I thought that itanium was able to run x86 as well as its own...no? |
| 13:32.11 | a-l-e | any idea why the keyboard mapping is correct in the console but in X i have the us layout? |
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| 13:32.55 | cantido | hikenboot_: I think intel have an emulator, but why you buy an itanium machine when you could buy a few big Xeon machines for the same money? |
| 13:33.49 | hikenboot_ | i never thought of it that way..it makes sense ;-) |
| 13:34.21 | hikenboot_ | what about the intel i7 chip for desktops is that the same as the itanium? |
| 13:34.27 | lvh | hikenboot_: sort-of |
| 13:34.30 | lvh | hikenboot_: Not at all. |
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| 13:34.38 | lvh | hikenboot_: sort-of was directed at "it can run x86 code" |
| 13:34.42 | cantido | hikenboot_: the itanium is a totally different arch |
| 13:34.53 | lvh | hikenboot_: it can, but extremely slowly, and I don't think you can get it to pretend it's x86 all the time. |
| 13:35.09 | lvh | hikenboot_: anyway the i7 has nothing to do whatsoever with itanics |
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| 13:35.48 | lvh | x86 was already a mostly terrible arch, we thought we couldnt do any worse, then intel invented IA64 :-p |
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| 13:36.35 | diilbert | Quick question, a light weight file manager that only requires gtk. I have used it before but cannot remember the name. It starts with a "e"? |
| 13:36.44 | lvh | (although the arguments against x86 are mostly void now since modern CPU's aren't really x86 internally, they're RISCs with a bunch of microcode) |
| 13:37.06 | lvh | diilbert: rox qualifies except it doesnt match e* |
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| 13:37.14 | hikenboot_ | then i7 would be the best desktop processor for virtualization then since it also has the largest page tables? |
| 13:37.19 | cantido | lvh: there aren't many processors that aren't microcoded now.. |
| 13:37.40 | scream_ | cantido, LX series Geodes ;) |
| 13:38.00 | cantido | hikenboot_: most processors being sold by intel and amd have virtualisation extensions.. |
| 13:38.17 | lvh | cantido: em, yes, isn't that what I said? |
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| 13:38.29 | lvh | well, it depends what you mean by processor |
| 13:39.52 | diilbert | lvh: At least I am sure it is gtk. It is duel pane minimalist manager that I started using with xfce |
| 13:40.27 | lvh | hm, xfce's favorite fm tends to be thunar |
| 13:40.42 | cantido | lvh: I think even microcontrollers are microcoded these days.. it's just easier to build stuff that way |
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| 13:41.56 | lvh | cantido: not most of the ones I've seen |
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| 13:42.18 | lvh | (disclaimer: I work with xilinx fpga's 90% of the time) |
| 13:43.52 | cantido | FPGA would mean a softcore then,.. microcode |
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| 13:45.08 | hikenboot_ | cantido, thats true but the context switching capabilities of the chips has been increasing...I assume maybe wrongly this would translate to the most performance differences...yes ...no? |
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| 13:45.35 | diilbert | lvh: I cannot stand it. I used to use krusader, but when I started using xfce I gave up on it because of all the depends. |
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| 13:45.53 | cantido | hikenboot_: I think you're over thinking the task at hand,.. if you're really worried about performance run stuff on real hardware |
| 13:46.07 | diilbert | Figured it out: emelFM2. I just started using it a few months ago, but it so configurable I love it :) |
| 13:46.37 | lvh | cantido: FPGAs come with a rom, but we dont typically call that microcode since it doesnt translate complicated instructions into simpler ones |
| 13:47.06 | lvh | otherwise, where's the difference between microcode and a program in rom? |
| 13:47.49 | cantido | lvh: But an FPGA isn't a processor is it.. so it doesn't have instructions to start with |
| 13:48.14 | lvh | cantido: like i said a while ago, depends on what you call a processor |
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| 13:48.58 | lvh | cantido: An RME Hammerfall MADI is a pretty advanced DSP, and it's implemented entirely on an FPGA with some output magic :-) |
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| 13:49.59 | cantido | lvh: FPGA's are programmable logic,.. not processors. You can turn them into anything you can implement with logic, that includes processors |
| 13:50.17 | lvh | cantido: okay, whatever. is there a point to this discussion? |
| 13:50.33 | cantido | I've totally forgot ho ho |
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| 13:51.18 | lvh | My digital electronics professor says it's a processor, so I'll believe him at least until I get my degree :-p |
| 13:51.26 | adb | lvh, cantido keeps on topic |
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| 13:51.49 | cantido | lvh: are you doing your FPGA stuff with debian? |
| 13:52.01 | lvh | cantido: yep |
| 13:52.15 | lvh | cantido: well, mostly -- unfortunately I'm stuck with xilinx sometimes |
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| 13:52.28 | lvh | which isn't in debian (but runs on debian) |
| 13:52.44 | cantido | lvh: mmm I'm looking for a CPLD that I can use with debian, but it's hard work |
| 13:53.47 | babilen | does anybody know if the security team resumed support for testing yet? |
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| 13:54.28 | hikenboot_ | thanks for the help cantido |
| 13:54.55 | themill | babilen: not that I know of. It would be announced on d-d-a if they had |
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| 13:56.03 | babilen | themill: yeah, i was wondering why i haven't heard anything from them. Any idea what stops them? |
| 13:56.08 | flip | cantido: i put a Monitor section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:56.15 | flip | cantido: and its still using the default #'s |
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| 13:57.14 | themill | babilen: just after a release, testing is pretty hairy to use anyway. You wouldn't want to use it anywhere security support is important anyway. (actually that's a general comment as testing-security is only ever a best effort thing) |
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| 13:58.03 | cantido | flip: mmm what card is it anyhow? if it's a newer geforce I'm pretty sure the nvidia driver performs better |
| 13:59.21 | flip | yea i think it is? i really dont know lol |
| 13:59.23 | flip | check dmesg |
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| 14:02.16 | flip | cantido: en6200le |
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| 14:03.46 | cantido | flip: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx according to the massive list of supported chips it's supported |
| 14:03.57 | jamesstanley | if i were to use apt-proxy in a server environment, about how much disk space would be used? |
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| 14:04.17 | jamesstanley | would it be worth running apt-proxy on a 2G disk? |
| 14:04.24 | Bilbo_Baggins | Private Pile....You are a piece of.... |
| 14:04.25 | jamesstanley | what happens if the disk fills up? |
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| 14:05.21 | asg | jamesstanley: I run approx on a 2G partition (cache is now at 1.5G) supporting 150 debian machines |
| 14:05.27 | jamesstanley | ok awesome |
| 14:05.30 | jamesstanley | i'll do it then |
| 14:05.32 | jamesstanley | thanks asg |
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| 14:05.57 | Bilbo_Baggins | I love my mommies basement! |
| 14:05.58 | diilbert | I just installed the latest version of Lenny and it thinks my hardware clock is utc so my time is lagging by 4 hours. |
| 14:06.33 | themill | Bilbo_Baggins: do you have a debian-support question that we can help you with? |
| 14:06.40 | jamesstanley | themill: i think it is a bot |
| 14:07.38 | asg | diilbert: you can change that in /etc/default/rcS ; Also, /msg dpkg tz and also see the hwclock package for other options. |
| 14:08.01 | flip | cantido: its a broken pkg that relies on a kernel that relies on nvidia-kernel-common that has no installation candidate :( |
| 14:08.58 | Bilbo_Baggins | It keeps dripping.....I cannot stop the drip.......anyone...help me kill the drip... |
| 14:09.06 | abrotman | Bilbo_Baggins: Do you have a Debian question? |
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| 14:10.37 | diilbert | asg: Which variable should be set? And to what value? |
| 14:11.12 | cantido | flip: shitty :/ |
| 14:11.21 | asg | diilbert: man rcS (See the description of the UTC variable) |
| 14:11.39 | flip | cantido: bigtime... looks like i cant use debian then :F |
| 14:11.44 | flip | or ill try testing maybe brb |
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| 14:12.32 | cantido | flip: you can just upgrade to testing |
| 14:12.37 | cantido | flip: no need to reinstal |
| 14:13.13 | diilbert | asg: thanks |
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| 14:13.30 | ustunozgur | how does one get the files a package contains, and where they are installed? |
| 14:13.39 | asg | ustunozgur: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 14:13.55 | ustunozgur | asg, thanks |
| 14:14.12 | Bilbo_Baggins | God, I would "DIE" to see Ubuntu and Debeian go head to head.......I would pay money to see that....(and then eat popcorn on the sides...LOL) |
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| 14:15.24 | chuckkh | I tried compiling the alsa-source package against the Lenny xen kernel headers and couldn't; has anyone here done that? |
| 14:15.44 | chuckkh | actually the Lenny Xen installation isn't working at all |
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| 14:16.04 | Bilbo_Baggins | How about the Sidux? |
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| 14:16.27 | Bilbo_Baggins | Do you have google. FIgure it out. |
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| 14:16.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | and piss off.; |
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| 14:16.45 | abrotman | Bilbo_Baggins: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 14:17.00 | chuckkh | if you think Google solves all or even most Linux problems you've never needed it |
| 14:17.19 | timidboy | the most of them |
| 14:17.23 | jamesstanley | google without knowledge is nothing |
| 14:17.27 | jamesstanley | knowledge without google is also nothing |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | there are other search engines ... |
| 14:17.42 | jamesstanley | never! |
| 14:17.54 | chuckkh | google has too many hits |
| 14:17.59 | asg | makes abrotman use gopher |
| 14:18.09 | timgoh0 | abrotman: #debian? Swear enough in here and sooner or later someone posts a link? |
| 14:18.14 | chuckkh | also, I pastebin-ed a log file, then googled the error message, and the 3rd or 4th hit was my pastebin |
| 14:18.23 | jamesstanley | rofl chuckkh |
| 14:18.29 | chuckkh | yesterday |
| 14:19.38 | chuckkh | I guess with software that is still under heavy development the answers aren't all to be found |
| 14:19.52 | chuckkh | the people who know it inside out are busy working on it, or so I tell myself |
| 14:20.22 | dutchfish | chuckkh, why arent you? |
| 14:21.02 | chuckkh | dutchfish: are you? |
| 14:21.15 | dutchfish | chuckkh, at least i got debian lenny xen working |
| 14:21.18 | chuckkh | I'm not complaining, I'm just saying not all answers are on google |
| 14:21.30 | chuckkh | actually I did too, it worked at first |
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| 14:21.56 | dutchfish | chuckkh, google is a tool in a toolbox, nothing mor enothing less |
| 14:22.02 | chuckkh | if you didn't have to actually read code, you didn't have to try as hard as I have |
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| 14:22.40 | dutchfish | chuckkh, well, i compiled from the latest mercurial repo and builded my own |
| 14:22.49 | chuckkh | dutchfish: incidentally, do you know what ALSA driver version you have there? |
| 14:22.56 | cantido | The answer to one problem not being on google means google is worthless, mmm |
| 14:23.06 | diilbert | More fun today. I am having an issue installing build-essential and I am not sure what is causing it. Could someone have a quick look and provide some direction: http://paste.debian.net/42094/ Thanks |
| 14:23.24 | chuckkh | cantido: no, it means brushing people off by mentioning Google like a magic talisman is ignorant |
| 14:23.32 | dutchfish | chuckkh, alsa-source 1.0.17.dfsg-4 is what i use |
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| 14:23.41 | chuckkh | it's also trendy somehow :-/ |
| 14:23.44 | chuckkh | ok |
| 14:23.55 | dutchfish | chuckkh, i can assure you it works |
| 14:24.09 | chuckkh | dutchfish: I believe you, I know |
| 14:24.09 | dutchfish | chuckkh, apart from the known bugs that is |
| 14:24.10 | themill | diilbert: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6-dev linux-libc-dev" |
| 14:24.33 | chuckkh | dutchfish: you didn't need to specially install ALSA, was that what was installed automatically? |
| 14:24.53 | dutchfish | chuckkh, alsa is a kernel module |
| 14:24.54 | chuckkh | I will try uninstalling the apt version and building it |
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| 14:25.07 | chuckkh | dutchfish: did you compile it separately using alsa sources? |
| 14:25.12 | dutchfish | chuckkh, so it depends on your kernel |
| 14:25.17 | anonbadger | Hi #Debian. I installed Lenny and tried to get online with my usb wireless device. No luck. No Network Manger. |
| 14:25.22 | dutchfish | chuckkh, ye,s that is what i told you before |
| 14:25.27 | abrotman | anonbadger: which chipset? |
| 14:25.36 | dutchfish | chuckkh, what kernel? |
| 14:25.36 | chuckkh | dutchfish: but Debian provides an updated alsa source to be built against kernel headers |
| 14:25.38 | anonbadger | I tried to install the source from a tar.gz but the make command wouldn't work |
| 14:25.52 | chuckkh | dutchfish: I will use any kernel that will work |
| 14:25.53 | dutchfish | chuckkh, i builded xen from mercurial latest |
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| 14:26.18 | anonbadger | abrotman: Huawei E220 |
| 14:26.19 | dutchfish | chuckkh, that woould 2.6.18 for dom-0 [period] |
| 14:26.27 | abrotman | anonbadger: that's not a chipset ... |
| 14:26.35 | chuckkh | dutchfish: thing is, I installed both the Lenny xen kernel headers and the Lenny alsa-source package, and the alsa source package won't build against the xen kernel headers, both provided by Lenny |
| 14:26.39 | anonbadger | oh heh |
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| 14:26.59 | dutchfish | chuckkh, please answer my q, what kernel you used for dom-0? |
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| 14:27.04 | abrotman | anonbadger: oh USB modem ? |
| 14:27.07 | anonbadger | My CPU? |
| 14:27.09 | chuckkh | yessir one moment |
| 14:27.13 | anonbadger | yeah USB modem |
| 14:27.21 | chuckkh | 2.6.26-2-xen-686 from Lenny |
| 14:27.22 | anonbadger | It's more like a phone |
| 14:27.32 | dutchfish | chuckkh, that cow wil never fly ;) |
| 14:27.34 | cantido | anonbadger: 3G dongle? |
| 14:27.37 | abrotman | anonbadger: http://wiki.debian.org/Huawei/E220 |
| 14:27.42 | anonbadger | 3G wireless net card |
| 14:27.48 | dutchfish | chuckkh, at least not for dom-0, |
| 14:27.50 | anonbadger | thanks abrotman |
| 14:27.54 | chuckkh | dutchfish: to McD's with it, I'll try compiling Xen |
| 14:27.54 | abrotman | anonbadger: seems you already have support in lenny |
| 14:28.01 | chuckkh | is that 3.4 Xen, btw? |
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| 14:28.25 | dutchfish | chuckkh, you better get your facts straight, please read the fine manuals before ven attempting |
| 14:28.33 | dutchfish | s/ven/even |
| 14:28.46 | chuckkh | I read the Xen manual for a start |
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| 14:28.53 | dutchfish | !xen |
| 14:28.53 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 14:29.10 | a-l-e | i'm back with my latest question: i have the correct keyboard mapping in the console but not in xorg... any idea? |
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| 14:29.24 | chuckkh | Oh yeah that page again |
| 14:29.30 | dutchfish | chuckkh, http://xenbits.xensource.com/ |
| 14:29.45 | chuckkh | doesn't get very in depth with troubleshooting, to the point that the error messages I get are not to be found on Google |
| 14:30.03 | a-l-e | what is (for me) very strange, is that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty |
| 14:30.21 | chuckkh | dutchfish: are you running 3.4? |
| 14:30.27 | chuckkh | =my question |
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| 14:31.00 | babilen | a-l-e: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide might answer your questions |
| 14:31.15 | dutchfish | chuckkh, stick to xensource and its wiki and i am running 3.2.1-2 as you should too |
| 14:31.24 | chuckkh | ok |
| 14:31.34 | anonbadger | abrotman, I am using the E220 right now in Ubuntu |
| 14:31.36 | dutchfish | chuckkh, the rest you can forget unless you are comfartable with unstable code and debugging |
| 14:31.41 | a-l-e | babilen: reading... |
| 14:31.57 | anonbadger | but Lenny isn't detecting the device |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | anonbadger: seems like it should be pretty easy .. you just use wvdial with that device |
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| 14:32.42 | anonbadger | brb, testing |
| 14:32.49 | chuckkh | funny that I couldn't get such a clear answer from the xen channel |
| 14:33.00 | chuckkh | ce'st la vie |
| 14:33.09 | Bilbo_Baggins | You know....You never publicly deounced me "abrotman" Do so...or be slient yourself. |
| 14:33.18 | babilen | a-l-e: if you use GNOME/KDE though, you might not have to edit *.fdi files, but be able to switch to another layout by setting your keyboard in the keyboard-something preferences |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | Actually, I did |
| 14:34.02 | dutchfish | chuckkh, if you just adventuring into xen, try out http://www.citrix.com/english/ps2/products/subfeature.asp?contentID=1681151 for a newer version, work back form there if you have learned enough |
| 14:34.04 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ohh, so How? Or was that just a fix for "debian" nerds/geeks...who have no life? |
| 14:34.07 | themill | Bilbo_Baggins: You are neither providing useful help nor seeking it. Please be silent or /part. |
| 14:34.45 | dutchfish | chuckkh, but lennys packages are quiet good, unless you have a need for some special hardware |
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| 14:35.17 | chuckkh | dutchfish: I've reinstalled Lenny's xen pkgs so many times and every time the same error from #xend start |
| 14:35.19 | Bilbo_Baggins | fIRST OFF. i USE TO SEEK USEFUL INFO |
| 14:35.23 | timgoh0 | wonders if abrotman could go steal that envelope off the mantlepiece. |
| 14:35.31 | Bilbo_Baggins | Second |
| 14:35.41 | themill | dpkg: tell Bilbo_Baggins about enter |
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| 14:35.52 | Bilbo_Baggins | You all feel so "High and Mighty" that I no longer do. |
| 14:36.05 | Bilbo_Baggins | HERPES |
| 14:36.06 | dutchfish | chuckkh, and you tried the old xen-kernel for dom-0? linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 --- 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24 |
| 14:36.08 | Bilbo_Baggins | HERPES |
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| 14:36.13 | Bilbo_Baggins | enter |
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| 14:36.26 | chuckkh | dutchfish: I couldn't find that in the Lenny repos...? |
| 14:36.36 | chuckkh | shall I take it from Etch? |
| 14:36.53 | dutchfish | chuckkh, again lenny, better search again |
| 14:37.08 | chuckkh | ok |
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| 14:37.29 | dutchfish | hands aptitude search linux-image | grep xen to chuckkh |
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| 14:38.03 | a-l-e | babilen: no gnome nor kde for now |
| 14:38.13 | Sark | OK. This machine is officially haunted. |
| 14:38.17 | dutchfish | chuckkh, for the dom-U's can can choose whatever you like |
| 14:38.18 | chuckkh | dutchfish: FYI there is no 2.6.18 listed in the output |
| 14:38.24 | Sark | If I add ram, it gets slower. |
| 14:38.40 | chuckkh | dutchfish: only 2.6.26 |
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| 14:39.12 | chuckkh | dutchfish: not worried about domU, I have another install that is working for that |
| 14:39.13 | dutchfish | chuckkh, then your /etc/apt/source.list is not correct |
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| 14:39.49 | chuckkh | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 14:39.59 | chuckkh | thought Lenny was testing? |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | not for quite some time |
| 14:40.05 | diilbert | themill: http://paste.debian.net/42095/ I installed a development kernel that had a broken libc6-dev package so I removed the kernel and everything seemed fine until I tried installing build-essential since the dev linux-libc-dev package is hanging around. How do I get rid of it and go back to the latest 2.6.26 package? |
| 14:40.13 | chuckkh | what?? |
| 14:40.15 | dutchfish | chuckkh, testing = squeeze not lenny!!!! |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | chuckkh: /topic |
| 14:40.22 | chuckkh | good grief :( |
| 14:40.59 | a-l-e | babilen: i don't think that the link you posted really helps me... |
| 14:41.27 | a-l-e | one problem i have is: xorg.conf is empty... |
| 14:41.32 | chuckkh | my mistake, I'm using testing |
| 14:41.39 | chuckkh | *&!*&! |
| 14:41.54 | dutchfish | !comfort chuckkh |
| 14:41.54 | dpkg | There, there, chuckkh. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:41.58 | chuckkh | anyway, then, Lenny was the one for which my soundcard was not working |
| 14:42.00 | chuckkh | thanks |
| 14:42.06 | chuckkh | and I moved to testing |
| 14:42.13 | a-l-e | i don't see any explaination how to create a xorg.con :-( |
| 14:42.28 | themill | diilbert: "aptitude install linux-libc-dev=2.6.26-17" should downgrade that package to the lenny version and solve your problems |
| 14:42.40 | dutchfish | chuckkh, i think you better start out with a clean install and work form there, hint: maybe a versioning tool like darks? |
| 14:42.41 | chuckkh | better go read |
| 14:42.46 | chuckkh | ok |
| 14:42.47 | Sark | So, I've got this computer, running Lenny. As it is, with the current RAM, it boots in about 15 minutes. Bumping up the ram by 4, it takes 14 minutes to boot! |
| 14:43.03 | chuckkh | Sark: minutes, not seconds? |
| 14:43.16 | Sark | er, not 15 minutes the first time, 5 minutes |
| 14:43.21 | Sark | typo |
| 14:43.25 | azeem | Sark: how much ram? |
| 14:43.32 | timgoh0 | Sark: Memory test taking some time? |
| 14:43.35 | Sark | It's got 16 now. With 20 it's slow as hell. |
| 14:43.41 | timgoh0 | 16 what? |
| 14:43.42 | azeem | Sark: 16 /what/? |
| 14:43.43 | timgoh0 | 16MB? |
| 14:43.44 | abrotman | MB |
| 14:43.47 | Sark | megabytes |
| 14:43.51 | Sark | oops :) |
| 14:43.53 | diilbert | themill: thanks! |
| 14:44.03 | azeem | Sark: yeah well, 16 MB isn't so much these days |
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| 14:44.16 | abrotman | Sark: is this the DX/33 ? |
| 14:44.17 | Sark | But why does the machine run FASTER with 16 megs, but slow as hell with 20 megs? |
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| 14:44.19 | Sark | Yes. |
| 14:44.20 | azeem | Sark: consider running an embedded distribution like emdebian |
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| 14:44.38 | chuckkh | maybe I will stick with my current setup; my sound works in Debian and Xen works in CentOS |
| 14:44.44 | Sark | azeep - it runs GREAT with 16 megs. I just can't figure out why it gets *slower* with more RAM. |
| 14:44.58 | chuckkh | I just won't work on music and studing Linux at the same time |
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| 14:45.20 | dutchfish | chuckkh, why not delve into KVM? |
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| 14:45.37 | Sark | I don't get it. At first I thought that it was the second bank of 4meg chips I had ('cause I had it at 32 meg). When I removed that, it sped up. So I put in a known good 4meg, and it got slower again. |
| 14:45.46 | dutchfish | chuckkh, i use merely xen on server setups and KVM on my desktops |
| 14:45.49 | DevilChaos | hi folks just come accross a command i havent used as of yet and dont know how to create a file in a directory can someone enlighten me please ? that is a newbie question geese never thought bout this one lol |
| 14:45.54 | azeem | Sark: could be a hardware problem |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | DevilChaos: touch |
| 14:46.11 | Sark | Memtest doesnt' turn up any problems. |
| 14:46.24 | timgoh0 | Sark: Got the output of dmesg pasted somewhere? |
| 14:46.28 | DevilChaos | cheers |
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| 14:46.29 | g00se | DevilChaos: What for? |
| 14:46.33 | timgoh0 | For both configurations. |
| 14:46.43 | Sark | timgoh0 - no, I don't. |
| 14:47.10 | timgoh0 | Sark: Check if there's something in there that takes longer. |
| 14:47.14 | chuckkh | dutchfish: I'll look into it; my processor doesn't appear to support it but I'll read up |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | Sark: it uses 70ns FPM ? |
| 14:47.29 | dutchfish | chuckkh, ok, good luck |
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| 14:47.51 | Sark | 80ns, 30 pin memory. |
| 14:47.55 | Sark | parity |
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| 14:48.29 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 14:48.35 | chuckkh | dutchfish: thanks a lot, best advice I've found in a while |
| 14:48.44 | dutchfish | chuckkh, yw |
| 14:48.51 | chuckkh | or should I say "most" advice I've found |
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| 14:50.24 | Sark | So, yeah, I don't get it. I've never seen a machine that behaves like this. I'm inclined to just leave it at 16 megs, cause it runs just fine like this. |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | FSVO 'fine' |
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| 14:51.59 | jamesstanley | i have debian in a virtual machine |
| 14:52.04 | jamesstanley | but the filesystem has gone wrong terribly |
| 14:52.25 | jamesstanley | the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/display_class (?) was the same as /etc/passwd |
| 14:52.40 | flip | cantido: btw upgrading to testing fixed it immediately.. thanks much for all the help you gave before;; ;its real appreciated :) :) |
| 14:52.41 | jamesstanley | and any operations on /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or /etc/init.d/udev result in "Stale nfs file handle" |
| 14:52.43 | jamesstanley | i'm not even using nfs |
| 14:52.47 | jamesstanley | what has gone wrong? |
| 14:52.53 | cantido | flip: no probs :) |
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| 14:54.47 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, that is too unspecific to judge, but i suppose your machine has some kind of nfs backend? |
| 14:54.56 | jamesstanley | i have nothing to do with nfs anywhere |
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| 14:55.18 | a-l-e | can anybody tell me why my xorg.conf is empty and xorg still works? |
| 14:55.25 | jamesstanley | dutchfish: this is in a xen vm, if that helps |
| 14:55.34 | jamesstanley | a-l-e: some time ago it started doing things automatically |
| 14:55.49 | jamesstanley | which is fine if it works, but is _really_annoying_ when it doesn't |
| 14:55.54 | jamesstanley | because you can't see what has gone wrong in the config |
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| 14:56.35 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, well, delve into the logs, look into your FS (probably lvm2) and how your /etc/xen-tools files are configured .... its hard to help that one without details |
| 14:56.35 | a-l-e | jamesstanley: well, it's picking up the wrong keyboard layout in my case... i don't find a way to change it! |
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| 14:57.04 | jamesstanley | dutchfish: where are lvm logs? are there lvm logs? |
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| 14:57.34 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, well, you should know, if you have setup that box |
| 14:57.42 | jamesstanley | i don't know of any lvm logs |
| 14:57.58 | jamesstanley | and there is nothing promising in /var/log |
| 14:58.10 | jamesstanley | on either the host or the guest |
| 14:58.17 | jamesstanley | the guest is the one with the filesystem problems |
| 14:58.39 | dutchfish | what is running in the guest? kernel, wich debian etc etc |
| 14:58.44 | jamesstanley | debian lenny |
| 14:58.47 | jamesstanley | 2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
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| 14:58.55 | jamesstanley | i installed it earlier today |
| 14:58.58 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, 32 bits? |
| 14:59.00 | jamesstanley | yes |
| 14:59.15 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, its a fresh install? |
| 14:59.17 | jamesstanley | yes |
| 14:59.23 | jamesstanley | hmm |
| 14:59.28 | jamesstanley | i did install udev in an unexpected manner |
| 14:59.34 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, did you take a peak in the install log (on dom-0)? |
| 14:59.35 | jamesstanley | i forgot to put role=udev in xen-create-image |
| 14:59.40 | jamesstanley | i can do |
| 14:59.48 | pmo_ | wonder when.. i'll just have to install a linux distribution, and not spend my life, be some sort of low level programmer to sort out all the chip, to make it use all the available device i have.. the more it goes, old or new device dont make much difference.. |
| 14:59.52 | jamesstanley | but it worked for a while |
| 15:00.02 | jamesstanley | and after i rebooted it for some reason, it no longer worked properly |
| 15:00.08 | jamesstanley | and i investigated and found this filesystem stuff |
| 15:00.13 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, specially the part where the hools where created |
| 15:00.26 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, and you installed locales and stuff ? |
| 15:00.38 | jamesstanley | i had run locale-gen manually |
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| 15:00.48 | jamesstanley | on the guest |
| 15:01.01 | jamesstanley | ooh |
| 15:01.02 | jamesstanley | actually |
| 15:01.05 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, you have to explicitly run aptiude install locales |
| 15:01.05 | a-l-e | another question (since the other one seems to impossible to solve...) how can i disable ip v6 |
| 15:01.07 | a-l-e | ? |
| 15:01.10 | g00se | Is it syslog or messages i have to tail to see device hotplug events? |
| 15:01.16 | jamesstanley | Unpacking util-linux-locales (from .../util-linux-locales_2.13.1.1-1_all.deb) ... |
| 15:01.16 | jamesstanley | Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 15:01.16 | jamesstanley | Setting up util-linux-locales (2.13.1.1-1) ... |
| 15:01.19 | jamesstanley | is in the install log |
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| 15:01.28 | timidboy | use pastbin budy. |
| 15:01.33 | jamesstanley | it was only 3 lines |
| 15:01.37 | pmo_ | pastebin |
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| 15:01.45 | jamesstanley | the openpty stuff happened because there was no udev |
| 15:01.49 | a-l-e | another question (since the other one seems to impossible to solve...) how can i disable ip v6 in testing? |
| 15:01.52 | jamesstanley | i'll try installing it again with udev |
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| 15:03.01 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, fyi the install script bascially dbootstrap a abre bones system, you are on your own to make it complete to a base system ... |
| 15:03.11 | dutchfish | s/abre/bare |
| 15:03.13 | pmo_ | a-l-e, ip6tables |
| 15:03.30 | jamesstanley | dutchfish: i know this |
| 15:03.36 | jamesstanley | i've done it before on several vm's |
| 15:03.42 | jamesstanley | this one is the only one that has gone wrong |
| 15:03.53 | jamesstanley | and also happens to be the only one i forgot to specify the udev role in xen-create-image |
| 15:04.07 | jamesstanley | so i'm re-installing from scratch with udev |
| 15:04.10 | jamesstanley | and i'll see how it goes |
| 15:04.20 | dutchfish | jamesstanley, yes, and your install log should reveal that and maybe others (dependecies) |
| 15:04.22 | pmo_ | a-l-e, ip6tables -P INPUT DROP ; ip6tables -P OUTPUT DROP ; ip6tables -P FORWARD DROP |
| 15:04.35 | a-l-e | mmmh... |
| 15:04.47 | timidboy | a-l-e: Do you wanted disable protocol or drop packets? |
| 15:05.37 | pmo_ | a-l-e, sorry, i dont have better answer in mind, and i am sort of fedup, spending my time, figuring out, how to make my compuetre work witl all fafccilities insteadd of makking mooney |
| 15:06.12 | pmo_ | a-l-e, but everybody knows, no one needs money, when you use linux.. when their work is not IT related |
| 15:06.17 | a-l-e | pmo_, timahvo1: i can't get the computer to use the router as a dns "relay". i have to directly set the dns server to the one of my provider |
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| 15:06.37 | timidboy | a-l-e: I had same problem |
| 15:06.48 | timidboy | a-l-e, just a little sec |
| 15:06.49 | a-l-e | timidboy: and how did you solve it? |
| 15:07.10 | timidboy | a-l-e: turn off ipv6 |
| 15:07.16 | timidboy | a-l-e: edit /etc/modules.conf |
| 15:07.22 | timidboy | and put this lines |
| 15:07.31 | timidboy | alias net-pf-10 off |
| 15:07.31 | timidboy | alias ipv6 off |
| 15:07.35 | pmo_ | a-l-e, dns relay :) dont know if issues are fixed, but you could easily crush your provider dns system |
| 15:07.45 | timidboy | and them |
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| 15:07.55 | timidboy | update-modules |
| 15:08.05 | cantido | a-l-e: you need a dns server on the router.. |
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| 15:08.23 | timidboy | a-l-e: what version do you use? |
| 15:08.27 | cantido | a-l-e: something like dnsmasq |
| 15:08.42 | rozie | dnsmasq is great for home use |
| 15:08.53 | a-l-e | cantido: you must live in a world where telcos don't give you a cripled dsl router! |
| 15:09.06 | a-l-e | timidboy: sqeeze |
| 15:09.15 | timidboy | a-l-e: not lenny? |
| 15:09.24 | a-l-e | not lenny, no |
| 15:09.39 | timidboy | ok, try this |
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| 15:09.46 | cantido | a-l-e: Oh, I thought you were doing routing on a debian machine or something... my router is uses PPPoE and you have to use the isp's dns servers |
| 15:09.51 | DevilChaos | anyone dealings with wpasupplicant here i dont seem to have a conf file and am wondering why? |
| 15:09.55 | cantido | a-l-e: s/router/modem/ |
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| 15:10.26 | chuckkh | the apt info for kvm says "without hardware support, you can use qemu instead..." does that mean if my processor doesn't have virtualization support I can still use KVM through qemu? |
| 15:10.35 | pmo_ | DevilChaos, make one |
| 15:10.42 | chuckkh | because the kvm site doesn't seem to acknowledge that interpretation |
| 15:10.54 | cantido | chuckkh: if your processor doesn't have vm support kvm basically becomes qemu |
| 15:11.25 | cantido | chuckkh: qemu does have kqemu though, which makes things faster and doesn't need vt-x etc iirc |
| 15:11.30 | DevilChaos | pmo ok so does that just mean cutting and pasteing script from thnikwiki site then i take it that should be ok |
| 15:11.47 | DevilChaos | poss silly question give it a bash thanks |
| 15:11.58 | DevilChaos | no pun intended |
| 15:12.08 | chuckkh | ok |
| 15:12.37 | pmo_ | DevilChaos, you got to adapt template with your installation, should be some good gui tools ( i hope ) but i dont know any |
| 15:13.11 | DevilChaos | im using wicd for my main stuff but home network is wpa2 psk |
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| 15:13.33 | cantido | DevilChaos: wpasupplicant options can be passed in via the interfaces file too |
| 15:13.36 | DevilChaos | wicd is complicated to sort been through some help files etc |
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| 15:13.55 | DevilChaos | and have wpa_gui installed alongside wpasupplicant |
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| 15:14.12 | DevilChaos | but think the guiwont work unless i have a conf file |
| 15:14.35 | pmo_ | DevilChaos, good, never used any of those :) ... well i guess that way it should be easier to setup, but you definitly need one afaik |
| 15:14.39 | timidboy | a-l-e: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 15:14.52 | DevilChaos | can someone paste theres to pastebin and ill edit it to my conf? |
| 15:14.58 | DevilChaos | cool cool dude thanks |
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| 15:16.00 | pmo_ | DevilChaos, with or without passwords ? |
| 15:17.56 | pmo_ | if you plan to do something else then IT, using a linux system.. either you are a dreamer or a newbie |
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| 15:18.31 | DevilChaos | pre shared key |
| 15:18.44 | DevilChaos | without obviously |
| 15:18.45 | dutchfish | pmo_, then you must not use a phone ^^ |
| 15:18.58 | cantido | pmo_: you should write a blog or something.. |
| 15:19.09 | pmo_ | cantido, :) |
| 15:20.03 | chuckkh | pmo_: some people plan to do something else *and* IT |
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| 15:20.12 | pmo_ | cantido, i'd be a bad linux advocate :-/ .. you can make real good money with linux.. if you work in the IT sector, but outside of it.. sounds really like a nightmare |
| 15:20.20 | chuckkh | perhaps in the future everyone will |
| 15:20.39 | cantido | pmo_: what about all the embedded stuff running "linux" |
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| 15:21.08 | pmo_ | cantido, don't ask for more, never update, and you'll be ok |
| 15:21.08 | dutchfish | cantido, bingo |
| 15:21.10 | chuckkh | cantido: the only people who will ever deal with the LInux in most of those devices are IT people, methinks |
| 15:21.52 | cantido | chuckkh: well, crazy that... electronics/computer controlled stuff is made by people with electronics/computer skills |
| 15:21.55 | dutchfish | and linux is prolly also in your router or firewall device |
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| 15:22.03 | cantido | chuckkh: what about stuff like tivo? |
| 15:22.12 | chuckkh | but I disagree with pmo_ - Linux is for people who like things like Linux |
| 15:22.23 | pmo_ | DevilChaos, http://pastebin.com/dd7269de |
| 15:22.33 | dutchfish | wonder sif this is really the #debian channel |
| 15:22.36 | pmo_ | chuckkh, yep.. IT workers |
| 15:22.39 | chuckkh | cantido: sry not rich enough, dunno what tivo is |
| 15:22.54 | chuckkh | I've also been living in Romania for 2 years so am a bit out of the loop |
| 15:22.59 | cantido | chuckkh: ok, what about the hundreds of thousands of nokia STB's running linux? |
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| 15:23.14 | chuckkh | cantido: do phone users know or care that they're using Linux? |
| 15:23.22 | chuckkh | do they need to know anything about it? |
| 15:23.36 | pmo_ | i don't have any mobile phone (can't afford) |
| 15:24.01 | cantido | chuckkh: yeah, doesn't mean that linux isn't used for anything though does it ;) |
| 15:24.09 | chuckkh | true |
| 15:24.31 | chuckkh | am I the only non-IT-employed person here? |
| 15:24.56 | chuckkh | meh, don't really care |
| 15:25.45 | pmo_ | i remember the time, people were used to say.. linux is a toy for developpers, i am not sure it has all that much changed.. execpt it has started to be embedded.. hence easier to hack / pirate devices |
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| 15:26.22 | rgr | can someone recommend a desktop image/snapshot program which can take drop down menus and mouse context menu? |
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| 15:27.59 | DevilChaos | pmo: cheers |
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| 15:28.07 | cantido | pmo_: do you work for vxworks or something? |
| 15:28.20 | pmo_ | cantido, ??? |
| 15:28.32 | pmo_ | cantido, no, why ? |
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| 15:29.55 | cantido | pmo_: all the anti-linux fud, you sound like some sort of sales man |
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| 15:30.27 | pmo_ | cantido, sales man.. unhappily, no, but i forgive you, i dont come in here very often |
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| 15:31.01 | fxiny | and you are wrong , i am a user , yes a user , since 1998 , and i'm still happy |
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| 15:31.07 | asg | rgr: scrot can be set with a timer allowing you to invoke the menus and dropdowns before the image is taken |
| 15:31.24 | fxiny | linux is used by developpers and users , linux is too big |
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| 15:32.22 | pmo_ | fxiny, 97 myself.. while i enjoyed using linux, sorting out stuff at the time, improving my IT knowledge, those days, trying to make "use" of it, instead of sorting out issues.. sounds like i can start to do real work with it.. |
| 15:32.27 | dutchfish | fxiny, dont forget the gnu-part ;) |
| 15:32.40 | fxiny | pmo_: say you don't have the skill to be a developper , do you thing a linux user life is boring ? nahhhh |
| 15:32.43 | pmo_ | can / can't |
| 15:32.50 | fxiny | dutchfish: :) |
| 15:33.37 | pmo_ | fxiny, i wonder if the life of a linux user neither a student or a IT worker.. can be boring, yes |
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| 15:34.22 | cantido | pmo_: you sound like you've install a 5 year old copy of mandrake or something |
| 15:35.04 | pmo_ | cantido, debian... always debian.. since too long maybe |
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| 15:35.29 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 15:35.30 | dpkg | somebody said debianlove was the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 15:36.20 | pmo_ | cantido, i never used mandrake, i was not much fan of redhat alike distribution |
| 15:36.51 | cantido | pmo_: so what exactly are you bitching about? |
| 15:37.08 | pmo_ | cantido, on the other end, i appreciated suse long ago |
| 15:37.28 | fxiny | suse ? wt4x ! |
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| 15:39.11 | dutchfish | i dont snare at other distros, there a good or bette rones, but personally i feavor Debian, why? because it strict codebase and its excellent tools like dpkg and consortium. |
| 15:39.16 | pmo_ | cantido, maybe because it may be time to reinstall distrib or do something, and i am reluctant to spend a day or 2 to do this.. better things to do then IT stuff all the time, all i am saying |
| 15:39.25 | LoloftheRings | hi all, does anybody know if the wireless-tools package is available on the installation dvd of etch? |
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| 15:39.54 | cantido | pmo_: name a system that doesn't have the issue.. osx on apple hardware maybe? |
| 15:40.09 | cantido | pmo_: s/the/that/ |
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| 15:40.23 | pmo_ | cantido, osx.. i can't afford, but is definitly a system i'd be happy to make a try |
| 15:40.56 | pmo_ | when it comes to something cheap.. linux.. is definitly the best.. by all views |
| 15:41.05 | pmo_ | except maintenance maybe |
| 15:41.20 | cantido | pmo_: and then you'll be bitching that you can't use the hardware you want to use etc.. |
| 15:41.21 | dutchfish | LoloftheRings, confirmed but why not install stable aka lenny? |
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| 15:41.39 | LoloftheRings | dutchfish, ah right, it was called lenny :D |
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| 15:42.25 | LoloftheRings | dutchfish, last time I installed debian (which was etch), wireless tools weren't installed.. I don't like carrying my pc to my router to connect it \ |
| 15:42.53 | dutchfish | LoloftheRings, alot has improved, if your hardware is not to exotic it should work out of the box |
| 15:42.59 | osundin | I've just installed the fglrx driver on debian testing and I can't seem to get video with mplayer working, all I get is a green/black window where the video is supposed to be (green using -vo xvidix and black using -vo xv). Any Ideas as to a solution? |
| 15:43.16 | pmo_ | cantido, yep.. my printer does dual-side, and i can't make it to work, to the point, i have made so much changes, i am close to "reinstallation".. (reminds me of windows, from this perspective, but i wouldn't have to reinstall a windows system, to make use of all facilities of my printer, more for bad software / corrupt, full of viruses and more) |
| 15:43.31 | cantido | pmo_: debian - cups, osx - cups |
| 15:43.33 | LoloftheRings | dutchfish, on fedora, ubuntu, arch linux and slax, my hardware runs just fine without too much configuration. Shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:43.58 | dutchfish | LoloftheRings, you always can try it with a live-cd first if you like |
| 15:44.15 | cantido | pmo_: why reinstall debian when you can just purge cups and reinstall it? |
| 15:44.23 | LoloftheRings | dutchfish, good idea, I'll give it a try tonight |
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| 15:45.07 | dutchfish | LoloftheRings, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:45.14 | LoloftheRings | thanks |
| 15:45.25 | pmo_ | cantido, the only officejet ppd i found was on foomatic.. hplip doesnt provide one for 7300 series, according to what i have.. (distro, testing).. |
| 15:45.27 | dutchfish | LoloftheRings, yw |
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| 15:46.56 | LoloftheRings | fedora seems way to unstable to me.. I'm currently running it, but after 3 hours of gaming (warcraft 3), wine crashed 5 times |
| 15:47.11 | osundin | pmo_: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-OfficeJet_7300 this printer? |
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| 15:47.29 | pmo_ | osundin, yep.. exactly .. 7310 |
| 15:47.44 | g00se | Have never used find with a date. How do i find where date is 2008/10/27 ? |
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| 15:48.13 | LoloftheRings | how can I burn the .img on my usb stick (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ ) ? using the dd command? |
| 15:48.13 | cantido | LoloftheRings: That's probably just wine crashing |
| 15:48.44 | pmo_ | osundin, if i do apt-get install hpijs .. hplip is about to be installed.. but it does not make printer to work any better |
| 15:48.45 | dutchfish | LoloftheRings, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 15:48.54 | LoloftheRings | cantido, well.. I had the exact same wine version running on arch linux (both compiled myself) and it didn't crash there.. |
| 15:49.46 | pmo_ | LoloftheRings, loop device |
| 15:50.11 | cantido | LoloftheRings: mmm install debian then, you might find the same thing happens ;) |
| 15:50.22 | LoloftheRings | I hope not :P |
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| 15:51.33 | cantido | pmo_: so basically your printer doesn't work and that means linux is rubbish? heh.. check the copyright on cups, you might be surprised |
| 15:52.10 | osundin | pmo_: So you have hpijs installed and you still can't use that ppd? (It is possible I have no idea what I'm talking about, it's been a while since I had to configure cups...) |
| 15:52.11 | pmo_ | cantido, no..; all i meant, is , i wouldn't have had this problem with windows |
| 15:52.28 | LoloftheRings | pmo_, I have the exact opposite problem |
| 15:53.56 | cantido | is pretty sure people have lots of issues with printers on windows |
| 15:54.04 | mischief | i do >:3 |
| 15:54.07 | pmo_ | osundin, i dont know what to do.. i am surprised to see hplip to install while i try to install hpijs.. and i see no more Officejet 7300 file with a apt-file request, i got to download it by hand to make it a try .. etc |
| 15:54.19 | cantido | - 10,400,000 for printer problem windows. (0.22 seconds) |
| 15:54.35 | LoloftheRings | lol :p |
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| 15:56.29 | osundin | pmo_: hpijs depends on hpijs-ppds. "dpkg -L hpijs-ppds" perhaps? (or download the ppd by hand) (I now have certainly no idea what I'm talking about.) |
| 15:57.07 | pmo_ | cantido, i use windows so little time, since long now, it may look like some paradise to me, while for sure, i may face some other "nightmare" |
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| 15:57.27 | troubled | quick question on backports; if a package is listed at packages.d.o under backports, is it available via a debian url? or is it just refering to the backports.org repo? |
| 15:58.09 | azeem | troubled: the latter |
| 15:58.20 | troubled | thanks |
| 15:58.54 | pmo_ | apt-get install hpijs-ppds hpijs cupsddk .. depends on.. depends on.. depends on.. |
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| 16:00.13 | pmo_ | osundin, :-/ apt-get install hpijs-ppds hpijs cupsddk .. depends on.. depends on.. depends on.. |
| 16:00.39 | osundin | pmo_: My point was that the ppd in question rather then being a file in the hpijs package could be a file in the hpijs-ppds package... |
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| 16:01.16 | pmo_ | osundin, apt-file would have shown if the file was still available and it is not.. |
| 16:01.24 | pmo_ | osundin, i think |
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| 16:01.32 | ricdanger | does anyone know a program to manage the updates on multiple computer? like aprove the updates, and install them on a speciefied schedule? |
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| 16:03.08 | osundin | pmo_: (I have no idea) Isn't there an option in the cups setup to choose another ppd (like the one you can download directly from that site.)? |
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| 16:06.18 | themill | !apt-zip |
| 16:06.18 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
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| 16:16.16 | pmo_ | osundin, yep there is.. but hence.. i have a foomatic-rip.. fails to do the job.. and on cups error message.. to mention hpijs unavailable.. for sure that is.. since it doesn't seem to be installable anymore .. trying to install hpijs lead to install hplip :( |
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| 16:42.04 | ajavid | good morning |
| 16:42.05 | ajavid | troubled, yo |
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| 16:45.04 | alemani | hi |
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| 16:45.47 | troubled | ajavid: yes? |
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| 16:46.18 | flip9 | hey guys -- trying to format 3 disks on my machine.. but mk2fs says there apparantly in use by the system |
| 16:46.21 | flip9 | but there not |
| 16:46.33 | flip9 | i just ran fdisk and deleted there entire partition table |
| 16:46.39 | flip9 | but i still cant format them :F |
| 16:46.40 | flip9 | any ideas? |
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| 16:48.33 | adb | mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 16:48.40 | flip9 | one of them is saying it appartnly has a GPT table? |
| 16:48.53 | troubled | flip9: make sure you got the right device name and you arent trying to format your boot fs? :) |
| 16:49.01 | flip9 | no i know |
| 16:49.01 | flip9 | :P |
| 16:49.12 | flip9 | boot is /dev/hda..... these are /dev/sda sdb sdc |
| 16:49.26 | flip9 | i ran fdisk on all 3 ... deleted the table made 1 big linux part |
| 16:49.28 | flip9 | and wrote it |
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| 16:49.41 | flip9 | and i was trying to use gparted to make the fs' |
| 16:50.34 | BScherrer | Hi, I'm having problems with icedove 2.0.0.22, can't use any IMAP accounts while it's working in Ubuntu with the same configuration. Where's the best place to ask about this problem? |
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| 16:50.40 | troubled | well, i suppose you could forget about the "why not" and just dd the device raw with zeros? |
| 16:50.47 | flip9 | heh |
| 16:50.51 | troubled | try a rbeoot and see if its still a problem i mean |
| 16:50.54 | flip9 | how do i kill the automounter temporarily |
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| 16:51.15 | flip9 | i think i know what the prob is |
| 16:51.21 | flip9 | but automount has to die for me to fix it |
| 16:51.24 | flip9 | temporarily |
| 16:51.27 | troubled | not sure which one you are using, but im sure its got a /init.d/ entry |
| 16:51.37 | troubled | .../etc/ |
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| 16:51.47 | flip9 | yea i didnt see it in there |
| 16:51.49 | flip9 | im using testing |
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| 16:53.35 | Glebelg | hi |
| 16:54.06 | LoloftheRings | hi |
| 16:54.14 | flip9 | mkfs.ext3 does the same thing |
| 16:54.14 | Selveste1 | is it possible to secure NFS with user/password validation ? against e.g. LDAP ore nsswitch.conf ? |
| 16:54.24 | WormFood | is anyone aware of a tool, that is designed to do something like the following (I don't want to re-invent the wheel, if what I need exists)...I want to edit my routing table (custom command), based on packets I get through iptables....I see there is an userspace program that can log packets from iptables, but it does not appear to be programmable to do what I want directly. |
| 16:54.56 | Glebelg | i'm looking to c hange order of autostarted apps at gnome's launch? with the nex .config/autostart method how can i do it? |
| 16:54.59 | troubled | Selveste1: you know, i dont know if any version of nfs supports user/passwords |
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| 16:55.42 | flip9 | anyone help me temp stop the automounter in deb 5 testing? |
| 16:55.43 | flip9 | :\ |
| 16:55.46 | CargolSS | is there a command for suspend or stand-by? |
| 16:55.49 | CargolSS | thanks |
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| 16:56.06 | Glebelg | it seem the old priority level option do not exist anymore... |
| 16:56.19 | WormFood | I want to route RST'ed networks/addresses through my VPN, and only those, because I'm in china, and I don't want to route everything over the vpn, just the address that are blocked in china (sadly, I have to route all dns through the vpn, because the great firewall of china dicks around with dns too) |
| 16:56.42 | WormFood | CargolSS, hibernate-disk hibernate-ram |
| 16:57.21 | flip9 | hrmm its not automount i dont think |
| 16:57.32 | hugo_ | is debian recommending users to use gcj? |
| 16:57.45 | hugo_ | for java |
| 16:57.47 | rudi_s | WormFood: iptables QUEUE target? |
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| 16:58.03 | WormFood | no rudi_s, I don't think you understand what I'm asking for |
| 16:58.23 | WormFood | CargolSS, you want the "hibernate" package (at least named that on sid) |
| 16:58.32 | hugo_ | thinking gcj is still incomelete |
| 16:59.02 | rudi_s | WormFood: Well you can either parse the log from ULOG or write a userspace application using QUEUE which does it for you (if I understood you correctly). |
| 16:59.04 | WormFood | rudi_s, I know the rule to log the packets I want to act on....but I'm not aware of any programs that will run a custom command (or any command) based on what hits a specific target/table |
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| 17:00.18 | BScherrer | ah sorry, I should ask my firewall for permission first... see you |
| 17:00.20 | rudi_s | WormFood: I also don't know a program, but should be simple to create. Use ULOG to log to specific logfile and parse it (perl, python, whatever). |
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| 17:00.47 | WormFood | rudi_s, I'm aware of being able to log the packets, but I want to act on them...and as I said before, I don't want to re-invent the wheel if someone has already done this before |
| 17:01.22 | WormFood | do you have a url handy that can tell me more about what you're talking about? "...or write a userspace application using QUEUE which does it for you..." |
| 17:01.25 | CargolSS | WormFood: :)) the whole system |
| 17:03.57 | rudi_s | WormFood: Google for iptables QUEUE, but it think it's too complicated for that task (never used it myself). I think the best way would be to use ULOG and parse the logfile. It's only a few lines in perl/python/etc. |
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| 17:04.24 | WormFood | that is great, however, I don't program in python or perl |
| 17:04.42 | rudi_s | WormFood: Any language works ;-) |
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| 17:04.48 | WormFood | my main programming languages of choice are C and shell script |
| 17:05.03 | WormFood | yeah, but for this particular job, perl or python is probably the better choice |
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| 17:05.31 | WormFood | also, I'd love to be able to run this on my router, so if one user goes to a banned site, the router will reroute them over the vpn....also I don't have to deal with windows machines. |
| 17:05.56 | WormFood | ok, thanks for your help/info rudi_s, you confirmed what I thought....I'll have to parse it myself and do my own thing ;) |
| 17:06.18 | rudi_s | np |
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| 17:07.02 | flip9 | ahhhhh |
| 17:07.07 | flip9 | i cant make an fs |
| 17:07.21 | flip9 | i fixed all the table issues... but mk2fs is still saying that the disk in use by the system |
| 17:07.25 | flip9 | and its totally not |
| 17:07.28 | flip9 | anyone any ideas on this? |
| 17:08.02 | abrotman | cat /proc/mounts . do you see it there? |
| 17:08.11 | adb | what's mk2fs ? |
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| 17:08.25 | flip9 | abrotman: nope. |
| 17:08.57 | Dominicus | So, I'm in the market for a solid sftp server for Debian. Can anyone recommend a good one? |
| 17:09.15 | abrotman | vsftpd |
| 17:09.17 | Dominicus | And I'm not sure how scp relates to sftp, so I'm open to enlightenment. |
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| 17:09.57 | hark | openssh-server |
| 17:11.02 | goody | temp= "${file#attachment.php?aid=100}",cann't use such assignment in bash shell? how to get the result of "${file#attachment.php?aid=100}",thanks |
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| 17:12.00 | rudi_s | scp uses ssh directly, sftp tunnels ftp trafic through ssh. |
| 17:12.09 | themill | abrotman: vsftp for sftp? |
| 17:12.36 | hark | no that's ftps |
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| 17:12.47 | themill | that's what I thought |
| 17:13.07 | hark | that was for rudi_s ^ |
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| 17:14.15 | rudi_s | hark: Oh, thanks. Got confused .. |
| 17:14.26 | WormFood | does linux have any real problems with UTF-8 (chinese characters) on a fat filesystem?...I boot with knoppix and it just shows question marks in place of the characters, and don't know if I should install debian on a spare drive to handle this issue. |
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| 17:18.34 | hark | for vfat, UTF8 is the filesystem safe 8-bit encoding of Unicode that is used by the console (from man mount) |
| 17:18.36 | abrotman | themill: oh sorry |
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| 17:23.19 | WormFood | hark, I was in the console, so my conclusion is that knoppix is screwed, and I need to install debian (I don't want to reboot my main machine just to copy these files)...thanks for the verification |
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| 17:25.48 | cusco | hi |
| 17:25.53 | goody | temp= "${file#attachment.php?aid=100}",cann't use such assignment in bash shell? how to get the result of "${file#attachment.php?aid=100}",thanks |
| 17:25.53 | MoMo | hi, i'm trying to do a lamp setup, however i'm not to sure on how to make for multiple domains along with multiple ftp logins ... but i can't find a guide online for this anyone know of one? |
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| 17:26.13 | cusco | can grep grep either two expressions instead of one? |
| 17:26.22 | cusco | instead of calling grep twice |
| 17:26.35 | cusco | can I grep word1 word2 file.txt |
| 17:26.35 | cusco | ? |
| 17:26.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:27.34 | cusco | how? |
| 17:27.42 | cusco | just like that? |
| 17:28.26 | acemi | grep 'word1\|word2' file |
| 17:28.39 | cusco | ok thank you |
| 17:28.49 | acemi | np |
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| 17:30.43 | hark | WormFood: don't have much experience with it, but i don't think there should be a difference between knoppix and debian here |
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| 17:32.03 | WormFood | I agree hark, but what else can it be? maybe their default mounting options? |
| 17:32.10 | hark | WormFood: check the mount options i guess, make sure utf8 is there |
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| 17:34.35 | WormFood | I suspect that will do the trick hark, I was unaware of any utf-8/unicode in mount....it always just worked for me in the past |
| 17:35.19 | WormFood | thanks for your suggestions....I can't try it out right now, as I'm about to go to bed (it is 1:30 am here), but will try it out later (would you like me to send you a /msg and let you know if your suggestion worked or not?) |
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| 17:35.47 | hark | i recall it won't be there by the default.. even the kernel gives a warning against mounting with utf8 IIRC |
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| 17:36.37 | WormFood | also don't want to try it now, as we're having a rain storm, and the lights flicker every so often, and this computer is not on a ups |
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| 17:37.25 | gastonlagaf_ | hello! Is there a specialist of cryptsetup and lvm here? |
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| 17:38.20 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 17:38.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:38.28 | hark | gastonlagaf_: well, you just ask and hope for the best :) |
| 17:39.28 | gastonlagaf_ | hark :) |
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| 17:42.40 | goody | temp= "${file#attachment.php?aid=100}",Oh,sorry,there should not be ' ' after = |
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| 17:46.37 | gastonlagaf_ | So: my problem is this one: I have a Qnap 109 II NAS. I replace the firmware by debian lenny, compiled for its arm cpu. But I am paranoid, so I decided, at the installation, to use lvm (why not?), but also cryptsetup :( :( (Full I am). The result is: the Qnap can boot because he has only access to /boot, because I can't type the passphrase, because Qnap has not keyboard and, the sshserver is not started, at this stage. So I take away th |
| 17:46.37 | gastonlagaf_ | e hard disk and put it in my ubuntu computer. So I have access to the partition. The question is: what should I do to "remove" the passphrase? |
| 17:47.08 | gastonlagaf_ | cant boot* |
| 17:48.00 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:49.08 | maligor | gastonlagaf_, is that a orion? |
| 17:50.08 | gastonlagaf_ | maligor: yes |
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| 17:51.04 | maligor | you can use armel on that too, if the kernel supports it |
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| 17:53.29 | maligor | as for decrypting a cryptsetup, dunno.. why don't you just reinstall it? |
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| 17:53.44 | gastonlagaf_ | maligor: I think it's not a problem of kernel. It's a problem of cryptsetup. The system can't finish to boot because it's waiting for the passphrase. but I can't input the passphrase because there is not keyboard on the NAs nor by ssh |
| 17:54.09 | maligor | embedded usually redirect it to a UART |
| 17:54.24 | gastonlagaf_ | maligor: I can't, because I have absolutly no access to the NAS |
| 17:54.26 | maligor | which is typically a 3.3V TTL serial |
| 17:55.12 | gastonlagaf_ | maligor: are you talking about the serial interface? |
| 17:55.40 | gastonlagaf_ | I have no cable to plug into :( |
| 17:55.41 | maligor | yes, that'd be the only way to enter a passphrase on one of those devices |
| 17:55.57 | maligor | consumer devices usually don't |
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| 17:56.11 | gastonlagaf_ | maligor: Are you Martin Michlmayr? |
| 17:56.22 | maligor | no |
| 17:56.26 | gastonlagaf_ | :) |
| 17:56.41 | peterrooney | gastonlagaf_: reformat, rethink? namely, could you start the ssh server before the passphrase is asked for? (it is _possible_, though unadvised, to change the startup order in /etc/rc{$n}.d/ |
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| 17:57.18 | gastonlagaf_ | peterrooney: tell me about that :) |
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| 17:58.03 | maligor | if you can access root you can just disable the mounting of the crypted device? |
| 17:58.07 | gastonlagaf_ | peterrooney: no, :( it is in an encrypted partition |
| 17:58.22 | maligor | oh.. root is encrypted? |
| 17:58.46 | gastonlagaf_ | all partition are encrypted, apart /boot |
| 17:59.33 | peterrooney | I started debian on PPC, with a very odd idea of what constituted acceptable input and output. I got adept at re-installations. |
| 17:59.34 | maligor | one way would be to: mount root, tar it, remake root partition without encryption and untar |
| 17:59.53 | gastonlagaf_ | So I ABSOLUTLY need to "depassphrase" the partitions, or I loose 200⬠|
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| 18:01.00 | maligor | unless there actually is a decrypt-on-disk option somewhere ;) |
| 18:01.14 | sshc | hi, where does mingw keep its include files and dll's? |
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| 18:01.32 | maligor | sshc, dpkg -L package_name |
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| 18:02.13 | gastonlagaf_ | hum, I will study cryptsetup more accuratly |
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| 18:02.20 | Bohemian | where is the phpmyadmin config file in debian? |
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| 18:02.39 | abrotman | Bohemian: probably in /etc/ .. dpkg -L <pkg> to list the files |
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| 18:03.47 | newbieNC | Hello all. Im having a problem setting up a new testing installation. I cant SU, the password for the user I log on as does not work. I can't remember the installer asking me for a root password, it just told me your user account will be given the ability to su after log in. Did I do something wrong in the install process? |
| 18:04.49 | dondelelcaro | newbieNC: if you installed Debian, it asks you for a root password |
| 18:05.20 | dondelelcaro | (if you installed some other derivative, they use sudo with a disabled root password) |
| 18:05.56 | newbieNC | I installed Debian Squeeze |
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| 18:07.11 | Arrowmaster | newbieNC: use sudo |
| 18:07.23 | newbieNC | during the install I typed only one password and that was for the user account |
| 18:07.23 | Bohemian | "Now enter the phpmyadmin page and browse the tables. You'll want to add in your local aliases, edit your user table to add a test user, and change your transport table to add information about your domains." -- how do i enter the phpmyadmin page? |
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| 18:08.01 | maligor | don't think debian default even installs sudo unless that was changed? |
| 18:08.13 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 18:08.28 | jelly-home | but doesn't configure it |
| 18:08.41 | newbieNC | sudo just brings up the usage help |
| 18:08.44 | Qew | yeah, when I did a fresh install of Etch a couple of years ago, it inistalled Sudo (not that I use it, though) |
| 18:08.49 | Arrowmaster | if you use the expert install i know it asks you but defaults to not setting a password for root and setting up sudo for you |
| 18:08.55 | Arrowmaster | dont know about normal install |
| 18:09.00 | abrotman | it actually doesn't install it |
| 18:09.14 | newbieNC | I did expert graphical |
| 18:09.32 | maligor | yeah, I don't recall it installing sudo when I last did a install |
| 18:09.34 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: lenny installer? |
| 18:09.39 | Arrowmaster | newbieNC: sudo <command> |
| 18:09.46 | newbieNC | sid installer |
| 18:09.53 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: what makes you think sudo is installed or configured ? |
| 18:09.53 | maligor | and that was a few months ago |
| 18:10.11 | Qew | well, when I installed Etch, I didn't do a Netinstall or expert install, just a basic install of CD1... and sudo was included, although not configured. |
| 18:10.17 | Arrowmaster | abrotman: he used the expert install |
| 18:10.21 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: so what? |
| 18:10.53 | Arrowmaster | i just did an expert install and only put in one password, the user password, like he said he did, sudo was installed and configured for me |
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| 18:11.24 | Arrowmaster | its been like that since i used the lenny installer when it was still testing and etch was stable |
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| 18:11.43 | newbieNC | so if sudo do just bring up help how can I use it now , any command tips? |
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| 18:11.59 | Arrowmaster | newbieNC: sudo is like su -c |
| 18:12.12 | maligor | sudo -s will give you a shell |
| 18:12.21 | Arrowmaster | you put the command you want to run on the command line |
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| 18:13.02 | Qew | no need to do when you have su ;) |
| 18:13.11 | rektide | how can i redirect stdout of the process being launched from start-stop-daemon ? |
| 18:13.25 | newbieNC | oh right after sudo? |
| 18:13.33 | Bohemian | what's an EASY way to open a port on my firewall on a debian webserver? |
| 18:14.14 | jelly-home | Bohemian: there's no firewall on a default debian system |
| 18:14.15 | cantido | Bohemian: what are you using; iptables or iptables + some script? |
| 18:14.21 | newbieNC | ok will play some more, thanks to all. |
| 18:14.35 | Arrowmaster | i prefer sudo to su, all aliases and configs are kept instead of /root/ being used as $HOME, running vim from su is a bitch too |
| 18:14.40 | Bohemian | cantido: i haven't set anything up, i just installed apache though. do i need to open ports? |
| 18:15.13 | jelly-home | Bohemian: if iptables -nL (run as root) lists no rules, there is no local firewall |
| 18:15.14 | cantido | Bohemian: if you haven't set anything up there is no "firewall" |
| 18:15.43 | Bohemian | jelly-home: there are three of these: target prot opt source destination |
| 18:15.45 | Bohemian | is that fine? |
| 18:16.27 | jelly-home | Bohemian: sounds like just headers for the output |
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| 18:16.52 | Qew | Arrowmaster: what's wrong with vim run from su? |
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| 18:18.37 | jhamlin | hi folks I'm trying to use kmail but I get "the authentication method CRAM-MD5 is not supported by the server". Every time I close the authentication pops up again so that I don't have time to get to the settings to change the authentication! How can I get to the settings? |
| 18:18.40 | Arrowmaster | Qew: it uses roots settings instead of your own |
| 18:18.56 | Qew | then change your .vimrc to suit |
| 18:19.03 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: that's exactly the point _when running a root shell_ |
| 18:19.33 | Arrowmaster | i know |
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| 18:21.56 | jhamlin | I just need to somehow change the settings in kmail so I get out of this endless authentication loop |
| 18:22.27 | abrotman | you could move your .kmail aside ? |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | or wherever the config file is |
| 18:24.00 | mischief | hey can anyone help me figure out why i can't connect to apt-cacher-ng which is in my sources.list? |
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| 18:24.24 | jhamlin | abrotman: ah good plan thanks |
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| 18:26.43 | jhamlin | is "PLAIN" authentication at all secure? |
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| 18:34.48 | g00se | jhamlin: only auth over SSL is secure |
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| 18:42.18 | holycow | hey guys |
| 18:42.36 | holycow | can anyone recommend an esata adapter (maybe pci even?) that is known to work with debian? |
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| 19:01.59 | schnable | Can someone explain to me the rX versioning on etch. Eg, whats the difference between 4.0r2 and 4.0r8? I'm moving an etch installation to a new server and want to mimic the original as much as possible, but I'm not sure what revision was installed originally. |
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| 19:03.15 | xcat | ? |
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| 19:04.42 | freedm | Hi, could somebody tell me is it safe to manually compile and install GLib 2.18 on Debian Lenny? Glib version is now 2.16.6. Why would I need to do this? Because I want to be able to compile and install Sakura terminal emulator and it requires a version of VTE lib which requires GLib => 2.18. |
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| 19:07.10 | Arrowmaster | schnable: the rX is just a release with updated security patches, if you do keep your server uptodate with apt-get then it doesnt matter what version you used to install originally |
| 19:07.31 | schnable | Arrowmaster: gf |
| 19:07.36 | schnable | Arrowmaster: great, thank you |
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| 19:09.23 | abrotman | it's not just security patches |
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| 19:11.21 | yurikoles | i'm on testing i need repo stable/updates ? |
| 19:11.27 | abrotman | why? |
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| 19:11.36 | yurikoles | i'm using testing/updates |
| 19:11.59 | yurikoles | I don't know, I asking |
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| 19:20.41 | n0de | anyone know of an easy way to upgrade the kernel in debian? or does it not happen and just have to download a newer version of debian fully> |
| 19:20.50 | n0de | ? thx |
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| 19:22.22 | themill | judd kernels |
| 19:22.23 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-2); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 19:22.49 | themill | see also backports.org for newer kernels for the stable release. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 19:26.30 | n0de | k thx |
| 19:26.49 | lish | does repo has a good appl for .daa ? |
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| 19:37.33 | jeeves | if I'm looking for something in dmesg, is the command: dmesg | grep 'search_string' |
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| 19:38.12 | jeeves | if I'm looking for something in dmesg, is the command: dmesg | grep 'search_string' |
| 19:39.00 | sprax | The Lenny boot CD is starting in graphical mode, which is a problem because my remote console isn't licensed for graphic mode. Is there anyway to stop the boot menu on the CD from loading and instead just start a console install? |
| 19:39.49 | Dominicus | I managed to make a bad decision and changed a permission on my /home folder. Now, I'm trying to figure out specifically why "users-admin" won't create any additional users. It doesn't even generate error message to let me know that something incorrect is happening. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to resolve this? |
| 19:39.57 | nkuttler | jeeves: is that supposed to be a question? |
| 19:40.19 | jeeves | nkuttler, I'm asking if that is the correct syntax |
| 19:40.48 | nkuttler | jeeves: why don't you just try it? |
| 19:40.57 | jeeves | I did, and it didn't work. |
| 19:41.16 | nkuttler | jeeves: ah, what was the exact command you used? and what are you looking for? |
| 19:41.57 | adb | dmesg | grep string .. |
| 19:42.09 | jeeves | nkuttler, dmesg | grep 'webcam' I'm trying to find out where my USB webcam that's built into this system is attached to in /dev |
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| 19:42.48 | nkuttler | jeeves: check /var/log/messages as well |
| 19:43.19 | nkuttler | jeeves: or grep -i usb i guess |
| 19:43.48 | jeeves | nkuttler, I can see it in lsusb, but it dosn't give where it's attached to. I think I have to reboot, the system has been running for a day or so, so the boot up part of dmesg is overwritten |
| 19:44.23 | nkuttler | jeeves: /var/log/kern.log maybe |
| 19:45.55 | jeeves | nkuttler, I found it. it's attached @ some long string name (I'm guessing the serial number of the cam) |
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| 19:49.26 | jeeves | nkuttler, thanks again for your help. I think I've found it |
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| 19:54.05 | Dominicus | Who do I chat with to report someone/somebot that is messaging me with porn links? User's name is "pelinsu40". |
| 19:54.19 | lcuk | pelinsu40 >>>>>>> porn spam in PM |
| 19:54.31 | nkuttler | !ops pelinsu40 porn spam |
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| 19:54.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nkuttler complains about: pelinsu40 porn spam |
| 19:55.14 | abrotman | lcuk: thank you |
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| 19:55.40 | Dominicus | I guess I don't do anything then? |
| 19:55.50 | abrotman | Dominicus: ti's gone |
| 19:55.59 | lcuk | Dominicus, shouting is enough aparantly lol |
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| 19:58.21 | Bohemian | what's the best way to remove an application and all its files? |
| 19:58.22 | Dominicus | Okay. so, back to my question from earlier. Does anyone have any experience with Gnome's "users-admin" and why it will no longer generate new user accounts? I'm assuming I broke it somehow, and a logout doesn't resolve it. |
| 19:58.28 | Bohemian | and how do i see a version of an app i am using? |
| 19:58.43 | abrotman | apt-cache policy foo |
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| 19:58.50 | abrotman | and man aptitude to remove it |
| 19:59.30 | Bohemian | thanks |
| 20:00.19 | freedm | Dominicus, try to run that application on terminal window - that way you should see the error messages (standard output) and find the root cause of the problem. |
| 20:00.39 | Dominicus | freedm: I actually already did that. It doesn't generate any output whatsoever. |
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| 20:01.11 | freedm | Dominicus, have you run it as "root" user? |
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| 20:01.59 | Dominicus | freedm: No. You run it, it has a button that lets you authenticate as root, then lets you make the changes. |
| 20:02.21 | onto | are you using a graphical interface? |
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| 20:03.21 | onto | go into your shell, do all commands with "sudo" before it |
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| 20:04.27 | Dominicus | onto: Yup. I'm running Gnome. And I can try running it from the gnome menu system, or via the cli as "users-admin" and it doesn't want to work anymore, and doesn't generate any output messages, and when I try to put --help, it doesn't give any feedback. And I've tried sudo as well, it won't operate correctly if run via sudo (i.e. it won't unlock inside it's gui). |
| 20:05.38 | onto | then your user is probably not an admin (not cleared for root usage via sudo as specified in "visudo") |
| 20:05.44 | Dominicus | onto: I did something screwy with the permissions to my /home folder recursively, because it bothers me that o+r is set to the user folders, and I think that did something, but I can't correct it apparently. |
| 20:05.57 | Dominicus | onto: No, I use sudo all the time. |
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| 20:06.19 | Dominicus | onto: It would complain if I wasn't authorized to use sudo. |
| 20:06.19 | onto | hm |
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| 20:07.56 | onto | honestly, no idea: best would be to create a new user and see if these issues persist and if they are indeed to b0rked permissions on your home folder (though it shouldn't be an issue) |
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| 20:08.42 | \amethyst | Dominicus: does the unlock fail, or does it succeed and then adding a user fails? |
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| 20:10.30 | abrotman | Dominicus: ld -ld /home/ |
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| 20:13.56 | GhostlyDeath | Hello, I have multiple scripts that are ran from cron jobs, they build source code and rsync files to a server at the end. However there is a problem with rsync on the scripts, it cannot resolve any hostnames |
| 20:14.13 | GhostlyDeath | DNS is working and is up |
| 20:14.28 | GhostlyDeath | Virtual machines being ran on the computer have no problems with it |
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| 20:15.04 | GhostlyDeath | The IPS in /etc/resolv.conf are correct |
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| 20:17.42 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: have you tried pinging the hosts to see if other tools can resolve them? |
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| 20:19.29 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: they are resolved |
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| 20:20.17 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: ok, so what happens when you run rsync manually? |
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| 20:21.31 | rgr | can someone help me get my tv card working? I see Haupage when I do lsusb but there no signal on video0 according to tvtime. What next? |
| 20:21.31 | Dominicus | \amethyst and abrotman: here's my home folder using ls -ld /home ---> "drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 2009-07-18 16:17 /home/". When I create a new user using "sudo adduser" and switch to that new user, I can login into gnome use "users-admin" and create as many users as I want, but I can only do it once. Once I quit, I can't run it again to get it to work. What's the timeout on having root... |
| 20:21.32 | Dominicus | ...authenticated, and can I short circuit / prematurely expire the root authentication to see if that is the issue. As it stands, it now doesn't look like a permissions issue of my own doing, perhaps an authentication issue? |
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| 20:22.42 | cantido | rgr: have you checked dmesg to see if a driver actually claims it? |
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| 20:23.21 | rgr | "did not find firmware". Strange as same card worked fine last year with lenny. |
| 20:23.22 | cantido | rgr: lsusb just shows devices that are connected, it doesn't mean that a driver has been loaded, or if there even is a driver |
| 20:23.42 | cantido | rgr: what chipset does lsusb say it is? |
| 20:24.02 | rgr | nova t500 stick and .. |
| 20:24.16 | Dominicus | amethyst, abrotman, onto, freedm: can any of you guys reproduce what I'm seeing by creating a new user account with "users-admin" closing it, starting it again and see if when you create a second new user, that it actually doesn't produce a new user outside of "users-admin"? |
| 20:24.49 | jaspercounty | which tool can i use to encrypt my internet connection between me and my isp? |
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| 20:25.53 | Dominicus | jaspercounty: There isn't a tool that does that last I knew, unless you have vpn service with your isp. Can anyone else tell me I'm wrong? |
| 20:26.08 | jaspercounty | i just want to make sure they are not spying |
| 20:26.24 | jelly-home | jaspercounty: "they" who? |
| 20:26.28 | jaspercounty | the isp |
| 20:26.49 | jelly-home | jaspercounty: I thought isp was the other endpoint? |
| 20:27.22 | Dominicus | jaspercounty: Then you'd need to encrypt your traffic from your system to the destination you are communicating with. Because even if you encrypted to your isp, they unencrypted it to send it to the rest of the world. |
| 20:27.29 | jaspercounty | well i go through my isp to get to the outside world right? so im concerned everything that passes through them gets seen by a work there |
| 20:27.32 | jaspercounty | *worker |
| 20:27.44 | jelly-home | jaspercounty: you can't work around that. |
| 20:27.49 | jaspercounty | ok |
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| 20:28.12 | sepult | what's the case with fglrx not installing ? |
| 20:28.24 | sepult | even the proprietary one's not ? |
| 20:28.27 | rudi_s | jaspercounty: You can use encrypted connections of course, SSL, SSH, etc. |
| 20:28.31 | jelly-home | jaspercounty: you can only encrypt a connection between two known endpoints, using ssl or a vpn. |
| 20:28.43 | jaspercounty | for chatting for example.. if i use something like pssst |
| 20:28.47 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: hold on for a few minutes |
| 20:28.50 | jaspercounty | that would be safe from anyone at the isp? |
| 20:29.33 | cantido | jaspercounty: The whole point of stuff like SSL is to pass data securely over a untrusted connection.. |
| 20:29.35 | rudi_s | jaspercounty: Yes, encryption should be safe (Man in the middle attacks might be problem if you don't validate certificates correctly). For chatting something like OTR should work. |
| 20:30.02 | Dominicus | jaspercounty: Your understanding of encryption is a little off. Encryption is the process of making the content undecipherable from point A to point B. From you to bankofamerica.com for example. Everything over that link, if actually encrypted, would actually be encrypted. That's the only way encryption really works. It makes anyone passing along the info (the guys in the middle) only be... |
| 20:30.03 | Dominicus | ...able to see it as though it was gibberish. |
| 20:30.15 | jaspercounty | why otr vs pssst? |
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| 20:31.34 | rudi_s | jaspercounty: I don't know pssst (never heard of it), OTR works fine (for me). It was just a suggestion. |
| 20:31.41 | jaspercounty | but by using psst or otr for example even the ISP who is in the middle will only see encrypted garbage right |
| 20:32.03 | cantido | jaspercounty: there would be zero point in encryption other wise |
| 20:32.29 | jaspercounty | so if thats true for otr why cant http connections be encrypted as well |
| 20:32.37 | cantido | jaspercounty: HTTPS |
| 20:32.44 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: It works and uploads the file |
| 20:32.49 | jaspercounty | only certain sites use https? |
| 20:33.07 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: going to be something in the environment that cron is running rsync under |
| 20:33.42 | cantido | jaspercounty: because only certain sites need to secure data and/or verify the sender/receiver |
| 20:34.27 | jelly-home | judd: versions uzbl |
| 20:34.28 | judd | jelly-home: uzbl -- |
| 20:34.49 | jaspercounty | what if im concerned about sites i visit? use a proxxy service? |
| 20:35.24 | rudi_s | jaspercounty: You could try Tor. |
| 20:35.28 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: would a reboot possibly fix the environment or a cron restart? |
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| 20:35.31 | cantido | jaspercounty: if you're just worried about your isp you could run a proxy and secure the connection between you and the proxy |
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| 20:36.17 | cantido | GhostlyDeath: mmm I don't think a reboot will work,.. do you have the output from rsync ran by cron? |
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| 20:37.29 | cantido | rudi_s: nothing to stop the person running the tor endpoint from capturing your traffic though. once you have a look at the captured traffic you soon stop running an endpoint |
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| 20:38.06 | rudi_s | cantido: That's what encryption is for ... |
| 20:38.19 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: yes |
| 20:38.32 | GhostlyDeath | could not resolve hostname |
| 20:38.35 | GhostlyDeath | connection suddenly closed |
| 20:38.44 | GhostlyDeath | error in rsync protocol stream |
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| 20:39.03 | cantido | rudi_s: yes, but you can't magically choose to use ssl because you're using tor.. |
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| 20:39.48 | rudi_s | cantido: No, of course not. But normally the only thing you don't want endpoints to see is passwords/mails/etc. and for that you should use encrypted connections even if you aren't using Tor. |
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| 20:40.37 | cantido | jaspercounty: why are you so worried about your isp anyhow? there are laws against them monitoring your traffic |
| 20:40.47 | cantido | jaspercounty: in sensible countries anyhow |
| 20:41.10 | jaspercounty | cause i think there are people who want to hurt me and i need proof to give to the police |
| 20:41.16 | abrotman | yeah .. people always obey the law ... |
| 20:41.32 | GhostlyDeath | Government agents break the law |
| 20:41.37 | GhostlyDeath | they monitor your connections |
| 20:41.48 | GhostlyDeath | but |
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| 20:41.58 | GhostlyDeath | your ISP cannot use your own information against you |
| 20:42.04 | GhostlyDeath | unless you are breaking their TOS |
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| 20:42.22 | jaspercounty | i haventr done anything illegal |
| 20:42.38 | blendmaster1024 | is it possible to select which PACKAGES you want to install at install time, as opposed to the default PACKGE GROUP thing? |
| 20:42.48 | cantido | jaspercounty: um, if you need to give evidence to the police, why not print it out and toddle off to the policestation? |
| 20:42.53 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: It has worked before |
| 20:43.04 | GhostlyDeath | cantido: It stopped working like last week or so |
| 20:43.15 | jaspercounty | icantido - i went to the station, they said unless they made a death thtreath they cannot help |
| 20:43.24 | blendmaster1024 | ahem.... |
| 20:43.25 | jaspercounty | i lost my job |
| 20:43.28 | jaspercounty | because of them |
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| 20:43.38 | log69 | blendmaster1024: in expert mode? |
| 20:43.40 | GhostlyDeath | jaspercounty: Who's after you? |
| 20:43.46 | jaspercounty | i cant say |
| 20:44.05 | blendmaster1024 | any mode... even expert mode doesn't seem to be able to do it |
| 20:44.27 | GhostlyDeath | jaspercounty: what country are you in? |
| 20:44.34 | ArcherSeven | I have a question, maybe you guys can help. I want to install "squeeze" amd64 on my desktop, and I'd like to use ext4. I ran the whole install successfully but failed, and best i can tell, the kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 cannot read ext4 though I'm weak with all the kernel stuff. so... can someone by chance tell me how to get squeeze+ext4 (or, if i'm thinking coreectly, just how to install the 2.6.28 kernel during install) |
| 20:44.34 | jaspercounty | canada |
| 20:44.51 | GhostlyDeath | jaspercounty: If you were in the USA, you could have talked to the FBI |
| 20:44.53 | cantido | ArcherSeven: why do you need ext4? |
| 20:44.58 | GhostlyDeath | but I don't know what you canadians do |
| 20:45.06 | jaspercounty | ghostleydeath : maybe i can contact the rcmp here |
| 20:45.06 | blendmaster1024 | ext4 is ~5x faster |
| 20:45.12 | jaspercounty | will they protect me? |
| 20:45.21 | ArcherSeven | don't need, but i've been using it on my other systems for a while now, so far i've liked it, and it has sped my boot time noticeably. |
| 20:45.23 | cantido | blendmaster1024: at what? breaking? |
| 20:45.40 | blendmaster1024 | huh? ext4 is great! |
| 20:45.55 | ArcherSeven | cantido, i have to say, i've never seen it fail. |
| 20:46.00 | GhostlyDeath | jaspercounty: I don't know |
| 20:46.04 | GhostlyDeath | I don't live in Canada |
| 20:46.18 | blendmaster1024 | heh, CGI:IRC. |
| 20:46.39 | blendmaster1024 | so does anyone know how to do individual-package selection at install time? |
| 20:46.54 | cantido | the people from his isp must have been taping his irc.. |
| 20:47.13 | ArcherSeven | blendmaster1024: that i can do, but i can't enable the latest repos/backports repos for the 2.6.28 |
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| 20:47.30 | blendmaster1024 | you can do that??? how!? |
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| 20:48.00 | ArcherSeven | blendmaster1024: that at me or cantido? |
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| 20:48.42 | chrisn2323 | k so i just installed debian stable on my desktop |
| 20:48.45 | blendmaster1024 | ArcherSeven, you said "that i can do". were you responding to my Q about packages? |
| 20:48.49 | chrisn2323 | how do i enable wireless internet? |
| 20:48.51 | ArcherSeven | ya. |
| 20:49.05 | ArcherSeven | buh, expert install it's kinda hidden in there |
| 20:49.07 | blendmaster1024 | ArcherSeven, then how do you do it |
| 20:49.19 | ArcherSeven | but i've spent a while in it, h/o i may as well just boot the installer again. |
| 20:49.45 | chrisn2323 | i use the network manager |
| 20:49.50 | chrisn2323 | but theres no wireless connection |
| 20:49.54 | chrisn2323 | how do i make it appear? |
| 20:49.57 | ArcherSeven | gonna have to redownload it. |
| 20:50.06 | blendmaster1024 | ArcherSeven, say names :S |
| 20:50.32 | cantido | does d-i even allow you to select ext4 for a partition/volume yet? |
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| 20:50.44 | blendmaster1024 | no it doesn't cantido |
| 20:50.51 | ArcherSeven | blendmaster1024: sorry, lol. |
| 20:50.58 | cantido | chrisn2323: you need to find out what type of wireless you have, is it usb or built into the machine? |
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| 20:51.08 | chrisn2323 | built in railink card |
| 20:51.13 | chrisn2323 | or however you spell it |
| 20:52.56 | log69 | chrisn2323: iwconfig shows you if you have a recognized wireless capable interface |
| 20:53.03 | chrisn2323 | k |
| 20:53.05 | chrisn2323 | brb |
| 20:53.16 | log69 | if not, then you have to give more detail |
| 20:53.23 | log69 | lspci shows the chip |
| 20:53.31 | ArcherSeven | and everything else, lol |
| 20:53.40 | blendmaster1024 | heh |
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| 20:53.41 | log69 | yeah, grep wireless :) |
| 20:53.56 | AciD | hi, I used partimage to backup a 40GB partition, and got a 5GB file (which is normal since there is only 5GB occupied space on that one). Now I tried to restore the partition on a 10GB one, and partimage complains about it to be too small. I read on the web that it was normal. What tool can I use to do that ? |
| 20:54.37 | chrisn2323 | log69 it says iwconfig isnt a command |
| 20:54.42 | blendmaster1024 | can someone answer me please? :S |
| 20:54.43 | cantido | AciD: If it's an image of the filesystem, opposed to the files on the filesystem, you'll need to restore it to a partion of the same size or bigger |
| 20:54.46 | chrisn2323 | but lspci says rt61 |
| 20:54.59 | g00se | aptitude install wireless-tools |
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| 20:55.26 | log69 | AciD: fsarchiver is a good tool to save and restore fs to even a smaller partition, only it's still beta |
| 20:55.41 | AciD | cantido > do you means the best ways then would be to rsync the whole filesystem ? would that be ok with special system files ? |
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| 20:55.54 | AciD | log69 > i'll look into it |
| 20:55.58 | blendmaster1024 | *i want to be able to pick which packages to install when i'm installing* |
| 20:56.00 | log69 | chrisn2323: rt61 is good, it is supported |
| 20:56.02 | cantido | AciD: I think only reiserfs supports shrinking an fs |
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| 20:56.15 | ArcherSeven | blendmaster1024: burning, lol. h/o. |
| 20:56.32 | log69 | chrisn2323: which kernel? uname -a |
| 20:56.44 | Arrowmaster | you can shrink ext filesystems |
| 20:56.52 | blendmaster1024 | ArcherSeven, can you answer please? |
| 20:56.53 | ArcherSeven | uname -a? (thought it was -r....) lol. |
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| 20:57.10 | cantido | Arrowmaster: you'd still have to strink it before taking the image though :) |
| 20:57.12 | ArcherSeven | blendmaster1024: ya, hang on, i'm burning the installer, i have to boot to it to remember. |
| 20:57.18 | blendmaster1024 | oh |
| 20:57.19 | ArcherSeven | this was 3 o'clock last night... |
| 20:57.25 | blendmaster1024 | ok that makes more sense. |
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| 20:57.33 | AciD | you can shrink a lot of fs, but I don't want to shrink my source system, i just want to be able to copy the source system on another computer with only a 10GB partition ! |
| 20:57.57 | cantido | AciD: maybe I was thinking of reiserfs because it's the only one you can shrink online |
| 20:58.09 | log69 | AciD: rsync is good way too, only you have to restore the mbr manually |
| 20:58.17 | log69 | fsarchiver does that for you too |
| 20:58.26 | AciD | log69 > that would do then ! thanks :) |
| 20:58.32 | log69 | fsarchiver is saving at file level |
| 20:58.42 | log69 | so it gets defragmented too |
| 20:58.47 | log69 | after restoring it |
| 20:58.51 | AciD | I see |
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| 20:59.15 | chrisn2323 | ya installing wireless tools worked |
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| 20:59.40 | g00se | AciD: This is probably because it will unsurprisingly save the partition table, which of course would then be wrong if the target partition were smaller |
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| 21:00.21 | ArcherSeven | blendmaster1024: i'm getting ready to reboot: I'm on a KVM switch to my server, so my responses will be delayed as i can only view one computer at a time. |
| 21:00.32 | Dominicus | Does anyone know why "adduser" create new user folders in the /home director with Read and Execute permission enabled for Other (755)? Isn't that a security issue? Shouldn't the permissions default to (750)? |
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| 21:00.44 | AciD | g00se > yes. I was using a partition saver instead of a file saver for my specific problem.. |
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| 21:01.12 | g00se | AciD: try: Copy > Shrink > Copy |
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| 21:01.16 | abrotman | Dominicus: see /etc/adduser.conf |
| 21:01.43 | Dominicus | giggles at there being a .conf file for everything. |
| 21:02.01 | blendmaster1024 | if anyone knows of the top of their heads, where is a list of what's on which CD? |
| 21:02.04 | robin_sz | hi, Im trying to compile the nvidia drivers for Lenny, but the installer is complaining about gcc being 4.3 and the kernel was compiled with 4.1 .. is there some magic packages I need that will give me the correct version of gcc to compile kernel modules? |
| 21:02.15 | abrotman | !tell blendmaster1024 about cd contents |
| 21:02.33 | chrisn2323 | wait log69 |
| 21:02.37 | log69 | ok |
| 21:02.40 | blendmaster1024 | thank you abrotman |
| 21:02.40 | peterrooney | Dominicus: if you have debconf priority set to low during install, adduser tries to warn you about it. |
| 21:02.43 | chrisn2323 | i installed wireless tools and it recognizes my connection |
| 21:02.48 | AciD | g00se > that won't be possible, as for that to work, I'd need a free 40GB space in the first place, which I don't have :/ |
| 21:02.54 | chrisn2323 | when i enter pass and ssid in network management |
| 21:02.56 | chrisn2323 | it wont save it |
| 21:03.03 | chrisn2323 | and websites wont work |
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| 21:03.04 | chrisn2323 | etc. |
| 21:03.21 | g00se | AciD: then: Shrink > Copy |
| 21:03.22 | log69 | chrisn2323: glad it sees the card |
| 21:03.43 | robin_sz | prods his gcc |
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| 21:04.00 | log69 | chrisn2323: you would like to store the wireless connection details? |
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| 21:04.09 | log69 | NM is supposed to remember that |
| 21:04.13 | chrisn2323 | oh maybe i need wpasupplicant |
| 21:04.15 | chrisn2323 | brb |
| 21:04.25 | log69 | wpasupplicant is great, i use that too |
| 21:04.38 | log69 | edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:04.52 | log69 | plus you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:05.00 | AciD | g00se > neither does this, as I don't want to touch the source system.. |
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| 21:05.21 | shivraj | wooooo weeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:05.32 | shivraj | eeeeee eeeeee aaaaah aaaaah |
| 21:05.33 | g00se | AciD: dd ? |
| 21:05.42 | cantido | log69: no need to edit any config files with networkmanager :) |
| 21:05.59 | AciD | g00se > I'll stick with the rsync simple solution I guess |
| 21:06.11 | log69 | cantido: he was talking about wpasupplicant |
| 21:06.38 | chrisn2323 | nope it didnt work log69 |
| 21:06.40 | pleed_ | how can i query to what package a file belongs to? |
| 21:06.40 | g00se | AciD: Actually dd could have the same problem on 2nd thoughts. rsync only does fs copies |
| 21:06.45 | cantido | log69: yes, he'll need wpasupplicant to use WPA with network manager, but you dont need to configure it |
| 21:07.17 | chrisn2323 | it still doesnt save the network |
| 21:07.23 | log69 | cantido: ok, i thought without NM :) |
| 21:07.46 | cantido | chrisn2323: it wont save it if it doesn't connect.. I think thats how the lenny version of nm works |
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| 21:08.00 | g00se | I was using wicd tother day - how does that compare with the other wireless stuff? |
| 21:08.07 | log69 | AciD: do you want to make a backup of your FS for a longer term, or you plan to save it regularly? |
| 21:08.08 | chrisn2323 | wicd is epic |
| 21:08.20 | chrisn2323 | theres nothing that lets me know if it does or not cantido |
| 21:09.07 | log69 | chrisn2323: you can connect, but it forgets the settings? |
| 21:09.16 | chrisn2323 | i dont connect |
| 21:09.23 | chrisn2323 | but its like it doesnt even try to |
| 21:09.29 | cantido | chrisn2323: I'm trying to remember what the lenny version of NM is like.. you should see a list of networks in the area, then you select one to connect to and get a password dialog right? |
| 21:09.40 | abrotman | pleed_: dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 21:09.44 | chrisn2323 | you select enable connection |
| 21:09.49 | chrisn2323 | enter network info |
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| 21:09.52 | chrisn2323 | ssid etc. |
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| 21:09.55 | chrisn2323 | then OK |
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| 21:11.34 | AciD | log69 > in fact I just want to copy the system, then go on from there. I do use unison to backup regularly my files |
| 21:12.11 | cantido | AciD: you could tar+gzip it |
| 21:12.33 | log69 | AciD: yeah, tar is good too |
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| 21:14.39 | chrisn2323 | iwconfig says its not even associated log69 |
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| 21:14.58 | log69 | chrisn2323: you could install wpa_gui and try to connect to a WPA enabled network to test it (run with root priv.) |
| 21:15.16 | chrisn2323 | k |
| 21:15.29 | log69 | chrisn2323: it won't be associated until it gets connected by NM |
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| 21:15.44 | AciD | cantido > I think I'll just rsync -az / /media/disk , then rsync /media/disk /other/system/ |
| 21:15.45 | log69 | wpa_gui is pretty straightforward |
| 21:15.51 | cantido | chrisn2323: n.b. there should be info about what your wifi is doing in dmesg.. associations etc |
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| 21:16.05 | ShadowPhoenix | How can I change my default shell in debian? I did apt-get install zsh. |
| 21:16.17 | log69 | chrisn2323: there can be info, if the tool logs it into |
| 21:16.19 | chrisn2323 | no such package exists |
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| 21:16.23 | cantido | AciD: do you have network between the two machines? |
| 21:16.24 | LinuxEA | What's the differance between LILO and GRUB ? |
| 21:16.28 | log69 | wait, i'll check it |
| 21:16.31 | chrisn2323 | use GRUB |
| 21:16.35 | ArcherSeven | !tell ArcherSeven about cd contents |
| 21:16.45 | ShadowPhoenix | !tell ShadowPhoenix zsh |
| 21:17.00 | maligor | you can install space invaders in grub, you can't in lilo |
| 21:17.05 | AciD | cantido > I could, but I think it would be slower than using an external hd |
| 21:17.17 | cantido | AciD: you could probably do something like piping tar over ssh to tar waiting on the other machine |
| 21:17.18 | log69 | chrisn2323: wpa_gui is part of wpa_supplicant package, so probably you have it already |
| 21:17.26 | chrisn2323 | oh |
| 21:17.29 | chrisn2323 | how do i use it |
| 21:17.33 | AciD | LinuxEA > lilo is older, and has less flexibility than grub |
| 21:17.34 | abrotman | !tell ArcherSeven about selftell |
| 21:17.37 | chrisn2323 | just type wpa_gui into terminal |
| 21:17.38 | chrisn2323 | ? |
| 21:17.41 | abrotman | ShadowPhoenix: chsh ? |
| 21:17.46 | LinuxEA | I see.. thx. I was just curious. |
| 21:17.47 | log69 | yes |
| 21:17.50 | chrisn2323 | k brb |
| 21:17.55 | cantido | AciD: you don't need rsync then, if you're going to use a usb disk |
| 21:18.01 | AciD | cantido > that sounds geeky great :) |
| 21:18.22 | abrotman | ArcherSeven: please don't msg me |
| 21:18.35 | g00se | ShadowPhoenix: never done it but try usermod -s |
| 21:18.39 | ShadowPhoenix | abrotman: echo #SHELL gives me /bin/bash even though I put in zsh in .login |
| 21:18.44 | AciD | cantido > I don't want to lose the timesamps, groups and permissions though. using cp isn't that good is it ? |
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| 21:18.58 | ShadowPhoenix | g00se: usermod: command not found |
| 21:19.07 | cantido | AciD: I think man cp tells you how to preserve than, archive mode IIRC |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | ShadowPhoenix: chsh |
| 21:19.14 | cantido | AciD: s/than/that/ |
| 21:19.19 | g00se | sudo usermod |
| 21:19.33 | ShadowPhoenix | abrotman: ooooooh |
| 21:19.45 | AciD | cantido > -a indeed |
| 21:20.03 | g00se | ShadowPhoenix: usermod -s would be if you wanted a permanent change |
| 21:20.43 | AciD | cantido > on the other hand, cp doesn't have the % left and ETA for the copy .. |
| 21:21.00 | ShadowPhoenix | g00se: I do want a permanent change :) |
| 21:21.06 | log69 | AciD: if you move your datas through an external hdd, then imho rsync is the best way with -a param, cause if copying stops, you can easily continue with rsync |
| 21:21.15 | g00se | ShadowPhoenix: That's what i thought |
| 21:21.15 | log69 | AciD: rsync has --progress |
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| 21:21.34 | log69 | i would do: rsync -av --progress |
| 21:21.44 | cantido | AciD: maybe just use watch -h and watch the disk filling up? |
| 21:21.52 | AciD | log69 > I'll do that |
| 21:21.54 | rgr | whats the bash command which tells me which dns server resolved an address? |
| 21:22.24 | log69 | rgr: nslookup |
| 21:22.47 | AciD | cantido > ah good, 9 years I'm using gnu/linux, never heard or saw `watch` :) |
| 21:23.07 | cantido | AciD: watch df -h .. missed the actual command heh |
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| 21:23.10 | g00se | rgr: is that even possible? |
| 21:23.14 | abrotman | ShadowPhoenix: get it figured out ? |
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| 21:23.16 | rgr | of course it is. |
| 21:23.22 | chrisn2323 | no log69 |
| 21:23.27 | chrisn2323 | doesnt exist |
| 21:23.42 | cantido | rgr: you mean what dns server was used to resolve it? |
| 21:23.43 | log69 | wpa_cli package then? |
| 21:23.51 | rgr | nslookup works |
| 21:24.05 | ShadowPhoenix | abrotman: yep! restart and it works flawlessly :D |
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| 21:24.21 | rgr | cantido: thats what I asked I think :-; "command which tells me which dns server resolved an address?". |
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| 21:24.25 | g00se | rgr: that might tell you what servers are configured (different) |
| 21:24.39 | rgr | there is another but I forget what its nameis |
| 21:24.53 | cantido | rgr: yeah, I was just trying to work out why you might want to know that heh |
| 21:25.00 | ShadowPhoenix | Where is the config files to startup internet on boot? |
| 21:25.09 | ShadowPhoenix | *are |
| 21:25.11 | rgr | so I know whhich dns server is primary. |
| 21:25.26 | cantido | rgr: nslookup returns my dns server even if I lookup localhost though |
| 21:25.26 | log69 | chrisn2323: i checked it, wpa_gui is in the wpasupplicant package |
| 21:25.43 | log69 | chrisn2323: you can run it while being root |
| 21:25.53 | chrisn2323 | ill try then |
| 21:25.54 | chrisn2323 | brb |
| 21:26.16 | AciD | it's copying, thanks all |
| 21:26.37 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 21:26.37 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 21:27.03 | chrisn2323 | still nope log69 |
| 21:27.33 | log69 | chrisn2323: which debian version you're running? |
| 21:27.46 | chrisn2323 | stable |
| 21:27.49 | chrisn2323 | 5.0 i think |
| 21:27.52 | chrisn2323 | w/e is current |
| 21:27.58 | log69 | you should have it though |
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| 21:28.24 | chrisn2323 | do i need to make wpa_supplicant a daemon log69 ? |
| 21:28.28 | log69 | chrisn2323: you're sure you try to run it while being root? |
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| 21:28.33 | chrisn2323 | yes |
| 21:28.34 | chrisn2323 | su |
| 21:28.35 | chrisn2323 | pass |
| 21:28.36 | chrisn2323 | etc |
| 21:28.43 | log69 | chrisn2323: wpa_gui would take care of everything |
| 21:28.58 | log69 | that's the easiest thing i can advice |
| 21:29.00 | log69 | s |
| 21:29.16 | log69 | try to find it if you have it at all |
| 21:29.37 | log69 | chrisn2323: i have it here: /usr/sbin/wpa_gui |
| 21:29.49 | chrisn2323 | do i hav to cd to that dir? |
| 21:30.00 | log69 | chrisn2323: sorry, i made a mistake |
| 21:30.06 | log69 | chrisn2323: wpa_gui is in wpagui package |
| 21:30.07 | chrisn2323 | ? |
| 21:30.19 | chrisn2323 | so i type wpagui? |
| 21:30.24 | log69 | chrisn2323: only manual brought it up |
| 21:30.28 | log69 | chrisn2323: apt-get install wpagui |
| 21:30.40 | chrisn2323 | k ill pray its on the cd |
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| 21:32.10 | chrisn2323 | nope it isnt |
| 21:32.10 | chrisn2323 | im about to kick network manager in the balls |
| 21:32.10 | log69 | chrisn2323: i see |
| 21:32.25 | log69 | chrisn2323: so try to connect wpa_supplicant manually without NM then |
| 21:32.44 | chrisn2323 | wont that fuck up everything (excuse my language) |
| 21:32.45 | log69 | chrisn2323: you just create the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 21:32.49 | cantido | chrisn2323: maybe just try using iwlist and iwconfig first.. |
| 21:32.53 | log69 | chrisn2323: no, nothing |
| 21:33.06 | chrisn2323 | k ill look into it |
| 21:33.13 | log69 | chrisn2323: so after you have the config file, just run something like this: |
| 21:33.15 | chrisn2323 | then ill get wicd |
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| 21:33.33 | log69 | chrisn2323: wpa_supplicant -c configfile -i wlanx |
| 21:33.40 | log69 | chrisn2323: and then you can dhclient wlanx |
| 21:33.43 | log69 | that's all |
| 21:33.54 | log69 | then after having network, you can install wpagui or whatever |
| 21:33.56 | chrisn2323 | huh for some reason its 99999 easier on arch linux |
| 21:34.03 | amse | what kind of wireless card do you have? |
| 21:34.08 | chrisn2323 | rt61 |
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| 21:34.28 | log69 | chrisn2323: lsmod | grep rt61 shows anything? |
| 21:35.05 | Dekko | wonders if someone here could assist in hacking a GTK2.0 theme? I need to add a horizontal rule (provided with an image file in the theme itself) above the menu bar - been looking at the source file, but I do not get much. |
| 21:35.08 | chrisn2323 | one sec |
| 21:35.13 | abrotman | chrisn2323: did you install the firmware yet ? |
| 21:35.23 | chrisn2323 | i assume it already has it |
| 21:35.24 | chrisn2323 | because |
| 21:35.27 | chrisn2323 | iwconfig |
| 21:35.32 | chrisn2323 | says i have a wlan0 |
| 21:35.42 | abrotman | look in /lib/firmware/ |
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| 21:35.46 | abrotman | and lay off the enter key |
| 21:35.47 | log69 | chrisn2323: so you only have to connect |
| 21:35.47 | chrisn2323 | k sure |
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| 21:36.00 | log69 | lol |
| 21:36.23 | chrisn2323 | enter |
| 21:36.24 | chrisn2323 | key |
| 21:36.25 | chrisn2323 | lol |
| 21:36.29 | abrotman | it's not funny |
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| 21:36.46 | log69 | chrisn2323: i suppose you don't have any debian DVD? |
| 21:37.14 | cantido | does rt61 need firmware? |
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| 21:37.41 | cantido | some of the ralink cards don't from what I remember |
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| 21:37.57 | chrisn2323 | no i guess i dont hav ethe firmware |
| 21:38.05 | chrisn2323 | no log69 only the cd1 |
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| 21:38.59 | g00se | aptitude install firmware-ralink won't do any harm i wouldn't have thought |
| 21:39.28 | log69 | abrotman: sorry, i wasn't laughing at your comment |
| 21:39.29 | abrotman | chrisn2323: do you have the wired LAN working ? |
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| 21:40.24 | log69 | abrotman: you are right, it needs firmware |
| 21:40.29 | chrisn2323 | no abrotman |
| 21:40.32 | log69 | apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 21:40.37 | log69 | as i suppose |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | chrisn2323: you're going to have to .. it won't be on the CD |
| 21:40.45 | log69 | firmware-ralink - Binary firmware for Ralink RT2561, RT2571, RT2661 and RT2671 wireless cards |
| 21:40.48 | chrisn2323 | well i have a usb stick |
| 21:40.54 | chrisn2323 | no i need rt61 |
| 21:41.09 | rgr | can someone recommend a usb wireless stick with wpa for debian lenny please. preferably supported without need to compile drivers. |
| 21:41.21 | abrotman | chrisn2323: lenny ? |
| 21:41.36 | chrisn2323 | i think so |
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| 21:41.53 | log69 | rgr: try to look for ZyDas chip, it is almost the only one with open firmware, no need to suck up with it |
| 21:41.55 | abrotman | chrisn2323: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ralink_0.14+lenny1_all.deb .. put it on your USB stick |
| 21:42.02 | g00se | chrisn2323: there isn't anything else afaik (package-wise) |
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| 21:42.16 | log69 | rgr: i bought recently one with zyd1211 and use it under BSD out of box and on linux too |
| 21:42.17 | rgr | what stick? |
| 21:42.30 | log69 | i meant usb wifi stick |
| 21:42.30 | chrisn2323 | owait |
| 21:42.34 | chrisn2323 | its rt2561 |
| 21:42.35 | rgr | what make? |
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| 21:42.52 | abrotman | chrisn2323: get that package and install it |
| 21:43.24 | log69 | rgr: ? |
| 21:43.41 | rgr | what make of stick. |
| 21:44.03 | cantido | rgr: I'm not sure naming a card is that useful, dlink for example change the chipsets inside cards but use the same model numbers |
| 21:44.19 | rgr | so I can look at right make and find the chipset in the locat store ..... |
| 21:44.29 | rgr | they dont order them by chipset in stores... |
| 21:44.34 | cantido | rgr: http://zydas.rapla.net/ |
| 21:44.40 | log69 | rgr: 1 sec |
| 21:44.45 | log69 | rgr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers |
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| 21:45.13 | rgr | I dont care if the driver is opensource or not. So long as it works reliably and supports wpa. Thanks for info. |
| 21:45.22 | log69 | rgr: Type = MyTek MWU-201 Wlan USB adapter (1 year warr.) lsusb: Bus 007 Device 003: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi |
| 21:45.26 | rgr | thanks |
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| 21:47.55 | chrisn2323 | how do i install it abrotman |
| 21:48.08 | log69 | chrisn2323: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:48.13 | chrisn2323 | k |
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| 21:48.27 | chrisn2323 | and after i install it do i have to do anything? |
| 21:48.31 | chrisn2323 | or will it work |
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| 21:48.43 | log69 | chrisn2323: then try to connect with NM |
| 21:49.01 | abrotman | you'll probably find it easier to reboot .. you have to load the driver with the firmware there .. if you don't want to reboot .. unload/load the driver |
| 21:49.45 | g00se | chrisn2323: Can you see the card btw - is it a pcmcia one? |
| 21:49.50 | chrisn2323 | once i install it will auto load the driver abrotman ? |
| 21:49.53 | chrisn2323 | no |
| 21:49.55 | chrisn2323 | pci card |
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| 21:50.36 | log69 | chrisn2323: reboot once |
| 21:50.46 | chrisn2323 | will do |
| 21:50.57 | log69 | chrisn2323: or -> rmmod rt61pci ; modprobe rt61pci |
| 21:51.12 | chrisn2323 | rmmod? |
| 21:51.15 | chrisn2323 | whats that do |
| 21:51.24 | log69 | chrisn2323: better reboot |
| 21:51.30 | log69 | chrisn2323: simplier |
| 21:51.36 | chrisn2323 | k |
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| 21:51.51 | abrotman | log69: i think you mean modprobe -r |
| 21:52.12 | log69 | abrotman: rmmod cause the same imho :) |
| 21:52.19 | abrotman | no, it's not |
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| 21:53.09 | log69 | abrotman: modprobe -r would remove all modules depended on it |
| 21:53.14 | log69 | rmmod wouldn't |
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| 21:54.09 | abrotman | which sounds safer ? |
| 21:54.25 | log69 | abrotman: reboot ;) |
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| 21:54.58 | g00se | nah - that sounds like you're adminning a Windows box ;-) |
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| 21:59.54 | Martin_vW | What is the most elegant way in shell scripting to check whether a package is installed? Is test -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGE.list allowed, or should I prefer dpkg-query -l PACKAGE &>/dev/null ? |
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| 22:02.05 | g00se | Martin_vW: the former would be faster |
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| 22:03.29 | Martin_vW | g00se: yes, I think so too, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to rely on structures in /var/lib/dpkg. Feels like accessing private member variables in OOP :> |
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| 22:04.37 | Martin_vW | On the other hand, I despise having to redirect dpkg-query's stderr, but it doesn't have a quiet option :| |
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| 22:05.36 | log69 | Martin_vW: do you only need to know about package? 'which' would be faster for a command |
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| 22:08.14 | Martin_vW | No, the package doesn't contain any binaries. The code I'm working on checks for the existance of a file, and if this file exists, it tries to install a specific package. My problem with this code is that it always runs 'aptitude install package', and aptitude takes 3 seconds for doing nothing, because the package is already installed, and I'd like to shave off these 3 seconds. |
| 22:09.05 | ShadowPhoenix | How do I install Java? |
| 22:09.10 | Arrowmaster | apt-get might be faster than aptitude |
| 22:10.08 | ShadowPhoenix | Should I download the ".bin" file from java.com to install java? |
| 22:10.28 | cantido | ShadowPhoenix: running applications or developing applications? |
| 22:10.29 | log69 | ShadowPhoenix: install openjdk version |
| 22:10.49 | log69 | openjdk-6-jre or something |
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| 22:11.09 | Martin_vW | Arrowmaster: you're right, apt-get just takes 0.2 seconds instead of aptitude's 1.6 seconds. But well, I guess I'll just go with test -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGE.list :) |
| 22:11.11 | cantido | there is a default-jre package too |
| 22:11.57 | cantido | Martin_vW: you could check with dpkg instead of apt-get/aptitude too |
| 22:12.10 | ShadowPhoenix | cantido: running in browser |
| 22:12.19 | ShadowPhoenix | log69: would it be slower than the closed version fo it? |
| 22:12.25 | ShadowPhoenix | *for |
| 22:12.37 | cantido | ShadowPhoenix: you need a browser plugin too then |
| 22:12.59 | log69 | ShadowPhoenix: Ubuntu has just gotten the certification for their version of openjdk - saying it brings the same then sun's version |
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| 22:13.20 | log69 | accordint to that, i would try it with the open one first |
| 22:13.34 | log69 | ShadowPhoenix: just a suggestion though |
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| 22:14.08 | Esine | Hey. I'm trying to use apt-file updatee but it's telling me it can't fetch the file http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz because it doesn't exist (it doesn't! I checked the http server). Is this a configuration error in my part or what could cause this? |
| 22:14.25 | Esine | Maybe it's using an older method than what security.debian.org uses? |
| 22:14.52 | log69 | Esine: try 'apt-get autoclean' and then update again, it might help, not sure |
| 22:14.58 | log69 | or apt-get clean |
| 22:15.04 | Esine | ok. |
| 22:15.11 | Esine | This is a clean install, installed 10 mins ago btw |
| 22:15.28 | log69 | Esine: then check networkú |
| 22:15.34 | rr1 | Hi, and now some more dificult .) |
| 22:15.39 | rr1 | I have instaled packages mysql-server and mysql-client on Debian Lenny. I enter root password for mysql when instalator ask me. But after instalation, when I run command "mysql -u root -p" with previously entered password mysql answer: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)". Im sure that I type correct password - i try instalation on two servers. I try "/usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password ..." a also tr |
| 22:15.44 | Esine | No, the network is fine. As I said, that file actually does not exist. |
| 22:16.01 | Esine | you can try wgetting it :) |
| 22:16.05 | log69 | Esine: maybe an error in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:16.13 | Esine | Maybe, although I haven't touched it |
| 22:16.28 | cantido | rr1: can you login without a password? |
| 22:16.34 | rr1 | no |
| 22:16.39 | log69 | Esine: works at me |
| 22:16.46 | log69 | Esine: i mean the update |
| 22:16.55 | Esine | hm. |
| 22:17.05 | log69 | Esine: just saw you have i386, mine is amd64, so cannot tell, srry |
| 22:17.06 | cantido | rr1: use the debian maintance password that's in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf to login and reset it then |
| 22:17.12 | Esine | I see |
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| 22:17.39 | cantido | rr1: s/maintance/maintenance |
| 22:17.48 | rr1 | cantido: ok, mmt, ill try |
| 22:17.54 | Esine | well either way, I was trying to find out which package provides the file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 and where I could fine the .deb source package |
| 22:18.03 | Esine | So I could customize it further The Right Way |
| 22:18.39 | cantido | Esine: it's built by an initramfs builder |
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| 22:18.52 | Esine | during the install, or when? |
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| 22:19.17 | cantido | Esine: during kernel install or if you force it to be rebuilt with update-initramfs |
| 22:19.25 | rr1 | cantido: it wooooooooooooooooorks .) great thx thx |
| 22:19.41 | Esine | I guess it uses the /etc/initramfs-tools/initrams.conf config file then? |
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| 22:20.32 | rr1 | cantido: and now I can change root password with: |
| 22:20.34 | rr1 | UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('MyNewPass') WHERE User='root'; |
| 22:20.34 | rr1 | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| 22:20.36 | rr1 | isnt it? |
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| 22:21.03 | Esine | the thing is, I'm using loop-aes for the root partition and I can't find any references to that in those config files.. |
| 22:21.05 | cantido | rr1: check the mysql manual, I can never remember mysql commands of the top of my head |
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| 22:21.51 | cantido | Esine: if you put the module in /etc/modules it gets included in the initramfs.. there is another way of doing it, but I don't remember at the moment |
| 22:22.01 | Esine | I see |
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| 22:22.18 | cantido | Esine: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 22:22.22 | g00se | rr1: That seems ok afaicr. tias |
| 22:22.27 | lewis2 | how I output the total number of lines of all .txt files in a dir? |
| 22:23.08 | \amethyst | lewis2: do you want to recurse into subdirectories? |
| 22:23.13 | rr1 | mysql returns: |
| 22:23.13 | rr1 | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 22:23.13 | rr1 | Rows matched: 0 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0 |
| 22:23.13 | rr1 | .( |
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| 22:23.18 | lewis2 | ooh - yeh |
| 22:23.22 | lewis2 | if easily possible. |
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| 22:23.42 | \amethyst | lewis2: find dir -name '*.txt' -exec cat {} + | wc -l |
| 22:24.40 | ShadowPhoenix | \amethyst: what does the {} stands for? |
| 22:25.09 | \amethyst | ShadowPhoenix: that's the place in the command line where find -exec sticks the filename or list of filenames |
| 22:25.45 | \amethyst | ShadowPhoenix: + at the end rather than \; tells find -exec to pass as many filenames as it can to each invocation of the program (with \; it's one-at-a-time) |
| 22:25.47 | ShadowPhoenix | oh okay |
| 22:25.56 | lewis2 | thank you |
| 22:25.57 | ShadowPhoenix | awesome |
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| 22:26.44 | rr1 | g00se: when I update root password - nothing happen. But when I do "CREATE USER 'rr'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'somepassword';", he create it and I can use it for login. Is root account somehow disabled? |
| 22:27.48 | igno | :D |
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| 22:31.48 | \amethyst | rr1: said 0 rows affected... perhaps you don't have a root account ? |
| 22:32.23 | rr1 | \amethyst: ... but why he ask me for root pasword in instalation? |
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| 22:33.03 | \amethyst | rr1: it was supposed to create one |
| 22:33.13 | dutchfish | why does kpim (wich is part of kde-full) have a dependecy on mysql-server wich in turn installs the full enchelada mysql-server-5.0 in debian squeeze? |
| 22:33.36 | rr1 | \amethyst: you have right, when i do select * from mysql.user; i didnt see root user. only debian-sys-maint |
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| 22:35.14 | rr1 | close before installing mysql i disable root in ssh ... but I think it has nothing to do with mysql root user |
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| 22:36.26 | \amethyst | rr1: yeah, that's unrelated |
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| 22:37.35 | \amethyst | rr1: and you didn't get any errors when installing mysql? |
| 22:37.40 | rr1 | no |
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| 22:38.08 | g00se | ShadowPhoenix: Did you want a grand total? |
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| 22:39.40 | dutchfish | could someone take a peak at this? http://debian.pastebin.com/m5c89e992 |
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| 22:41.00 | dacs | howdy, how can i get dvix 5 codec for lenny, i have an .avi movie that only play sound |
| 22:41.24 | \amethyst | rr1: I'd try purging and reinstalling all mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-common, |
| 22:42.11 | rr1 | I have used packages mysql-server mysql-client only ... not common |
| 22:42.11 | dutchfish | \amethyst, did you dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 22:42.16 | rr1 | yes |
| 22:42.22 | \amethyst | rr1: actually, just -server-5.0 |
| 22:42.34 | \amethyst | rr1: mysql-common is depended on by them both, but |
| 22:42.48 | dutchfish | mysql-server is a virtual package |
| 22:42.54 | rr1 | understand |
| 22:43.03 | rr1 | i havent clean machine now to do it again |
| 22:43.15 | rr1 | strange is that it happens on two servers |
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| 22:44.03 | dutchfish | rr1, are those boxes fresh installs lenny? |
| 22:44.06 | rr1 | ... mayby some erros during instalation happend but i dont read screen, it didnt stop on any error, it just download and install package and then ask for password |
| 22:44.10 | cast | dacs: look at debian-multimedia, grab mplayer and codecs, |
| 22:44.10 | rr1 | yes |
| 22:44.12 | dacs | where can i get help for vlc with lenny please |
| 22:44.19 | rr1 | yes - fresh install |
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| 22:44.32 | rr1 | install - update - upgrade - install mysql |
| 22:44.50 | dutchfish | rr1, i have seen simular when locales wher enot set properly before installing mysql-server-5.0 |
| 22:44.53 | \amethyst | rr1: it's worth filing a bug report that installing mysql-server-5.0 fails to create the 'root'@'localhost' account for you |
| 22:45.25 | rr1 | I have problem with locales ... but i cant remeber if before or after mysql installing |
| 22:45.28 | dutchfish | rr1, could you try dpkg-reconfigure locales and once again install it |
| 22:45.28 | dacs | cast: nplay doing the same thing, i also have w32codecs installed |
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| 22:45.53 | rr1 | reconfigure locales and than reconfigure mysql? |
| 22:46.02 | cast | dacs: nplay? |
| 22:46.15 | \amethyst | rr1: reconfigure locales then purge and reinstall mysql-server-5.0 |
| 22:46.24 | dacs | cast: mplay! |
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| 22:46.44 | cast | dacs: if you mean mplayer say mplayer |
| 22:47.00 | dacs | typo ever happen to you?! |
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| 22:47.01 | rr1 | locales reconfigured |
| 22:47.01 | dutchfish | rr1, fyi i had no problems when using utf8 but selecting euro dutch fials to install root acc in mysql-server |
| 22:47.27 | rr1 | im using cs_CZ.UTF-8 |
| 22:47.37 | cast | dacs: sometimes you run into movies that use rather difficult codecs to get working for anyone who isn't on windows, |
| 22:47.59 | rr1 | when you use dutch it fails to install root in mysql??? If I understand it good, you have same problem. |
| 22:48.15 | dutchfish | rr1, only nl.euro, yes |
| 22:48.19 | cast | dacs: i'd see if you can transcode it on windows, |
| 22:48.22 | \amethyst | dutchfish: which is 8-bit, right? |
| 22:48.31 | \amethyst | dutchfish: that's ISO 8859-15 ? |
| 22:48.33 | dutchfish | \amethyst, bingo |
| 22:48.37 | \amethyst | hm |
| 22:48.41 | \amethyst | wonder if that could be it |
| 22:49.00 | dacs | cast: works just fine in windows |
| 22:49.00 | cast | dacs: good, so transcode away. |
| 22:49.03 | \amethyst | let me take a snapshot of my lenny vm and try it |
| 22:49.19 | rr1 | aaaa i find bug in mysql ... .) ill be famous .) i must tell it to friends .) |
| 22:49.29 | dutchfish | \amethyst, to be precise nl_NL.ISO-8859-15@euro |
| 22:49.42 | dacs | cast: i don't know how, but isn't there divX 5 for lenny |
| 22:50.19 | dutchfish | \amethyst, to reproduce it you need to purge mysql-server-5.0 and manually clena out some stuff, so it doesnt rely on onld utf8 configs |
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| 22:51.21 | cast | dacs: perhaps ask windows user, virtualdub, or something, is popular i hear |
| 22:51.28 | \amethyst | dutchfish: no mysql installed right now; that's why I'm taking a snapshot |
| 22:51.40 | rr1 | but when i do apt-get purge mysql-server mysql-client ... and then apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client ... he didnt ask me for root password. In debian he is not generating config again like in gentoo, isnt it? |
| 22:51.41 | dutchfish | ndos |
| 22:51.48 | dutchfish | nods |
| 22:52.05 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I'm going to try en_US.ISO-8859-15 because I only speak een beetje nederlands |
| 22:52.16 | g00se | dutchfish: what is euro.nl? |
| 22:52.16 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes |
| 22:52.21 | dacs | cast: ok will do |
| 22:52.26 | dutchfish | g00se, nl_NL.ISO-8859-15@euro |
| 22:52.38 | dacs | how can i install two pkgs at the same time |
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| 22:53.11 | dutchfish | rr1, did you try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 ? |
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| 22:53.35 | cast | dacs: you can't |
| 22:53.45 | dutchfish | rr1, that did it for me (after changing locale to utf8) |
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| 22:54.14 | g00se | dutchfish: Don't get it. Dutch doesn't even have accented characters does it? |
| 22:54.24 | dutchfish | g00se, oh it does |
| 22:54.47 | dutchfish | g00se, 'e `e "i etc |
| 22:55.01 | g00se | dutchfish: Really, i don't think i've ever seen any ;-) |
| 22:55.14 | dutchfish | coughs |
| 22:55.33 | g00se | dutchfish: But you would know ;-) |
| 22:55.43 | dutchfish | g00se, i better will ;) |
| 22:55.51 | \amethyst | g00se: Belgium = 'België' |
| 22:56.01 | dutchfish | yep |
| 22:57.04 | g00se | Well English has, theoretically aërial (antenna) but that doesn't count really |
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| 22:58.00 | dutchfish | why does kpim (wich is part of kde-full) have a dependecy on mysql-server wich in turn installs the full enchelada mysql-server-5.0 in debian squeeze? |
| 22:58.16 | dutchfish | could someone take a peak at this? http://debian.pastebin.com/m5c89e992 |
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| 23:00.57 | pipeline | g00se: english "aerial" doesn't have a diacritic |
| 23:01.30 | g00se | pipeline: it can have it |
| 23:02.20 | g00se | (if you're really pedantic) |
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| 23:02.42 | pipeline | g00se: checking |
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| 23:02.52 | rr1 | \amethyst: I did: |
| 23:02.52 | rr1 | apt-get purge mysql-server-5.0 mysql-common && dpkg-reconfigure locales >> set to en_US.UTF8 && apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 mysql-common >> set root password && mysql -u root -p >> enter same password => ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 23:02.53 | macrobat | a-erial? separate a and e into 2 sounds? |
| 23:03.09 | \amethyst | pipeline: Milton wrote it with ë |
| 23:03.35 | pipeline | g00se: nope. OED lists no alternate spelling with diacritic. |
| 23:03.53 | pipeline | \amethyst: milton wrote before the advent of prescriptive grammar in general, much less modern english. |
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| 23:04.58 | rr1 | \amethyst: and whe i login as debian-sys-maint and do select * from mysql.user; he didnt show me any root user |
| 23:04.59 | \amethyst | macrobat: reflecting the Latin |
| 23:05.05 | \amethyst | rr1: hm |
| 23:05.19 | g00se | tries to think of another with a diaresis |
| 23:05.21 | \amethyst | rr1: and what does locale in that console say? |
| 23:05.27 | \amethyst | coöperate |
| 23:05.32 | \amethyst | though that's optional |
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| 23:05.57 | g00se | amethyst: poss. Is that in the OED? |
| 23:05.58 | rr1 | utf8 |
| 23:06.06 | \amethyst | English has no words with mandatory diaeresis that aren't names |
| 23:06.18 | \amethyst | rr1: en_US.UTF-8 you mean? |
| 23:06.20 | \amethyst | rr1: hm |
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| 23:07.06 | pipeline | g00se: haha |
| 23:07.10 | pipeline | g00se: I misread the oed article |
| 23:07.26 | pipeline | g00se: aërial *is* listed |
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| 23:07.31 | rr1 | \amethyst: yes LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:08.13 | g00se | pipeline: Ahh ;-) |
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| 23:11.23 | \amethyst | dutchfish: when the mysql thing happened to you, the locale was properly configured? |
| 23:11.59 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I'm still trying to reproduce it |
| 23:12.24 | rr1 | \amethyst: which locales are you using as default |
| 23:12.30 | dutchfish | \amethyst, it was first nl_NL.ISO-8859-15@euro then i changed to utf8 same language and did dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 that fixed it, and it happely asked for a root password |
| 23:12.47 | \amethyst | dutchfish: wait, the first time did it not even ask? |
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| 23:13.15 | \amethyst | rr1: I've tried with en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.ISO-8859-15 but I might need to re-do the second test |
| 23:13.32 | dutchfish | \amethyst, nl_NL.ISO-8859-1 - nl_NL.UTF-8 (default) - nl_NL.ISO-8859-15@euro |
| 23:13.53 | rr1 | \amethyst: my "didntasking" problem was my mistake ... i have dpkg reconfigured mysql-server ... not mysql-server-5.0 |
| 23:13.56 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes, first time it did not |
| 23:14.14 | \amethyst | rr1: when you installed, it asked you for the root password, right? |
| 23:14.24 | rr1 | \amethyst: yes |
| 23:14.29 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I think you two might be encountering different problems |
| 23:14.46 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes, possible, i said simular |
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| 23:16.17 | rr1 | grrr i cant deploy clean instalation right now ... to try it from start ... i can do it on monday |
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| 23:17.27 | dutchfish | rr1, there is maybe one other thing to check, iptable sif it is configured |
| 23:17.49 | rr1 | \amethyst: .) how to check it |
| 23:17.57 | \amethyst | dutchfish: as for the kde4 -> mysql-server thing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=513382 |
| 23:18.27 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ouch, thanks i overlooked that one, thank you |
| 23:19.18 | dutchfish | \amethyst, and the funny thing is if i want to remove kdepim it totally wants to uninstall kde completely |
| 23:19.30 | rr1 | \amethyst: hehe ... amethyst is all knowing .D ... like Omnicorp in Quarantine game (15 years ago) |
| 23:19.50 | \amethyst | dutchfish: probably because you only have kde-full manually installed |
| 23:19.57 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes |
| 23:20.13 | \amethyst | dutchfish: if you mark everything it depends on as manually-installed, then you should be able to remove just kdepim |
| 23:20.21 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i installed this one form dbootstrap install |
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| 23:20.39 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ah, good hint, thank you |
| 23:20.57 | \amethyst | dutchfish: e.g. aptitude unmarkauto ~Rkde-full |
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| 23:23.15 | dutchfish | \amethyst, http://debian.pastebin.com/m558f0e93 |
| 23:23.50 | rr1 | problem with instalation mysql which didnt create any user is old: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-April/179439.html |
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| 23:25.10 | dutchfish | rr1, looks like post-install scripts messing it up, maybe related to locales |
| 23:25.37 | dutchfish | rr1, but i am not sure if mine is the same as \amethyst said |
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| 23:26.26 | rr1 | \amethyst and dutchfish: which permisions have your /tmp please: |
| 23:26.32 | rr1 | ? |
| 23:26.37 | dutchfish | rr1, does the daemon listen on the default port? ie netstat -nlp |
| 23:27.08 | dutchfish | \amethyst, drwxrwxrwt 9 root root 4096 jul 19 01:24 tmp |
| 23:27.31 | rr1 | hmhmhm |
| 23:27.36 | rr1 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-April/179453.html |
| 23:27.54 | rr1 | i have only 755 on tmp |
| 23:29.08 | dutchfish | rr1, at the moment i have a working system with mysql-server (unfortunitely) ;) |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | is he using debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 23:29.43 | dutchfish | dutchfish, me, debian (always) |
| 23:29.52 | rr1 | im on debian now |
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| 23:30.09 | jeeves | how can I let my user read log files in the /var/ directory? |
| 23:30.27 | dutchfish | !tell jeeves about sudo |
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| 23:30.55 | jeeves | dutchfish, I'm actully looking to have it down through gltail. |
| 23:31.06 | Ficthe | somewhat off-topic, I think: I've burned gparted on a usb disc -- I'm trying to not have the pc boot it first, any idea what I would select as the first option in boot-order menu? there are multiple options, such as USB-FDD, and USB-ZIP. what's the difference between the two, and which one is better suited? |
| 23:31.54 | dutchfish | jeeves, no idee |
| 23:31.56 | Ficthe | s/usb-disk/usb stick/ |
| 23:32.04 | jeeves | dutchfish, ok, thanks |
| 23:32.15 | Ficthe | s/not/now, my goodness. :x |
| 23:33.31 | rr1 | Ficthe: you dont want to boot from it? |
| 23:33.38 | dutchfish | Ficthe, depends totally what you bios does support |
| 23:33.59 | Ficthe | rr1, I do want to boot with it, so I can do the partitioning before I put Debian on it |
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| 23:34.25 | rr1 | Ficthe: how old is your pc? |
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| 23:34.53 | Ficthe | dutchfish, I'm somewhat lost, because neither seems to work. I was hoping that I was making some obvious error and someone could call it out |
| 23:34.59 | Ficthe | rr1, about 6 years old |
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| 23:36.04 | rr1 | Ficthe: old bios .( in new pcs are flash disk emulated as hdd ... go to dialog where you can choose which hdd boot first and try find your flash ... usb-zip and thinks like this didnt work |
| 23:36.11 | dutchfish | Ficthe, does it has a floppy drive? |
| 23:36.20 | Ficthe | dutchfish, yes, it does |
| 23:36.25 | rr1 | Ficthe: try to find it as hdd or just as removable usb |
| 23:36.54 | dutchfish | Ficthe, disable that in bios, and try usb-fdd |
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| 23:37.05 | dutchfish | Ficthe, i got away ones with that |
| 23:37.21 | Ficthe | there was a "removable" option, with multiple subfields (like 7) -- among which was usb-fdd and usb-hdd, I tried both, and neither worked |
| 23:37.40 | Ficthe | I suppose I'll try it again for whatever it's worth |
| 23:37.56 | dutchfish | Ficthe, or look if there is a newer bios |
| 23:38.34 | Ficthe | dutchfish, I'm at the very moment on winXP, I'm not familiar with the process of bios-updating - can you say a word or two on how that works? |
| 23:38.43 | rr1 | Ficthe: look in disk dialog and choose your usb, not your hard disk |
| 23:38.50 | Ficthe | there's probably a system utillity in xp with which I do that update? |
| 23:39.01 | Ficthe | rr1, alright, I'll try that |
| 23:39.10 | dutchfish | Ficthe, depends again on your hardware ... but if you can tell what board or system i might be able ... |
| 23:39.43 | Ficthe | dutchfish, system model is pcv-rx 571; I'll get specific details though - just a sec please |
| 23:40.46 | jeeves | is there a way of adding a per user access rule to a specific file through the CLI? |
| 23:41.04 | dutchfish | Ficthe, sony vaio has windows bios update packs at the top of my head |
| 23:41.38 | rr1 | jeeves: create group which will have access to file and add users to those group - do you want it? |
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| 23:42.30 | jeeves | rr1, the log files in /var/log/ are apart of the ADM group, and the user in question is part of that same group (as the user's secondary group) |
| 23:44.02 | dutchfish | jeeves, did that user relog (to get it active in his session)/ |
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| 23:44.08 | rr1 | jeeves: than when you give goot permision to file, users with same group will have access to read/write it ... |
| 23:44.50 | jeeves | dutchfish, have you used GL_Tail before? |
| 23:44.53 | rr1 | aaaaa root password error creating solved |
| 23:45.09 | dutchfish | jeeves, no, i even dont know the package |
| 23:45.14 | rr1 | \amethyst: |
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| 23:45.19 | rr1 | dutchfish: |
| 23:45.28 | rr1 | problem was in /tmp |
| 23:45.33 | dutchfish | :) |
| 23:45.37 | jeeves | dutchfish, ok, thanks |
| 23:45.45 | rr1 | 755 permissions |
| 23:45.46 | rr1 | .) |
| 23:46.04 | dutchfish | thanks to \amethyst |
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| 23:48.22 | dutchfish | jeeves, i normally contrcuts like watch /var/log/foo or tail -f /var/log/foo |
| 23:49.11 | jeeves | dutchfish, I think the syntax they're using is "tail -f -n0 <file>" but since the user I have specificied, it won't work |
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| 23:49.51 | jeeves | dutchfish, I'm jsut trying to get the MySQL and postfix servers working with this. everything else works |
| 23:50.20 | dutchfish | jeeves, rem that not all daemons write direclty there logs out to disk |
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| 23:50.41 | dutchfish | jeeves, both have other tools also to monitor them |
| 23:51.04 | jeeves | dutchfish, I know. but so far, postfix and MySQL are outputting to a log file |
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| 23:51.56 | dutchfish | jeeves, maybe mytop and directly quering postqueue by script |
| 23:52.14 | jeeves | dutchfish, one sec |
| 23:53.21 | jeeves | dutchfish, lol. I think I fixed it |
| 23:53.34 | dutchfish | jeeves, oh, hit me ;) |
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| 23:54.09 | jeeves | dutchfish, I went through webmin and readded my user to the "adm" group |
| 23:54.20 | dutchfish | yayks |
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| 23:54.25 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 23:54.25 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 23:55.06 | jeeves | dpkg, to suck an egg |
| 23:55.06 | dpkg | jeeves: I give up, what is it? |
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| 23:56.03 | dutchfish | jeeves, ah well, its your party ... but dont come wining when it breaks ... |
| 23:56.22 | jeeves | dutchfish, lol, no worries |
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| 23:59.54 | rr1 | dutchfish and others ... problem solved ... thank you for help ... bye |
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