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| 00:30.45 | surial | I modified my /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf file, because the db is on another volume. However, I belatedly realised that things would be easier to manage if I use a mount bind option in /etc/fstab to link the standard directories to this volume. |
| 00:31.02 | surial | Is there any way I can restore that conf file back to how the postgresql-8.3 apt package had it? |
| 00:31.36 | surial | The .sample does not look like what was there, but it _could_ be. Is that _for sure_ what the default config file looks like? |
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| 01:07.41 | Piranah | ok anyone who can help, iv tried 5 times today to install Debian, whole thing goes smooth but no matter what i end up with "missing operating system" or best case grub error 17 |
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| 01:08.26 | Piranah | in eather case i can boot from a ubuntu live cd, i see all the files were installled etc |
| 01:08.38 | surial | Piranah: The thing that went wrong is clearly the installation of grub, then. |
| 01:08.40 | Piranah | Is there an issue loading grub to the MBR of a TB drive ? |
| 01:09.06 | Piranah | surial correrct but grub gave no error during install |
| 01:09.11 | surial | Piranah: Check the grub manual for how you can manually run grub's "install myself into your boot section", that way if there are errors or warnings or some such, you can have a look. if that LOOKS fine (it clearly isn't).... |
| 01:09.27 | surial | then there's some funky shit going on with your bios, or your MBR is borked. |
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| 01:09.57 | surial | VERY old bioses have a few issues reading higher than a few sectors into a large disk. If your actual boot data isn't in that early area, this can happen. But, seriously, _old_ bioses. |
| 01:10.20 | Piranah | ok i have been gooogling all after noon lol :) I was able to root (hd2,0) setup (hd0) with no issues. Same deal says suceeded but im in the same boat. |
| 01:10.49 | Piranah | Ya def nopt an old bios |
| 01:11.04 | surial | OR, this issue appeared in grub; so you'd get into grub, but grub couldn't find your linux kernel. I honestly can't remember how it manifested. The usual solution was to create a small partition at the beginning, and mount that as /boot. |
| 01:11.09 | Piranah | This is an e8400 runnin on a great nvidia board |
| 01:11.18 | Piranah | ahhhh |
| 01:11.18 | Piranah | ok |
| 01:11.20 | Piranah | i may try that |
| 01:11.35 | surial | Please don't quote me. It's been many years since I read about this, and I never personally ran into this issue. |
| 01:11.36 | Piranah | its a clean system so nothing to loose 1 of 3 TB drives has data on it that i need but i can disconnect |
| 01:11.41 | surial | But, good luck :) |
| 01:11.47 | Piranah | thnx |
| 01:11.48 | Piranah | :) |
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| 01:14.06 | abrotman | Piranah: anything else interesting about it ? like using LVM or anything like that ? |
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| 01:15.14 | blendmaster1024 | how do you do individual-package selection at install time in expert mode? |
| 01:15.20 | Piranah | abrotman: i was tempted to try LVM but i didnt |
| 01:15.40 | blendmaster1024 | i asked earlier but then had to leave in a hurry |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: why do you want to do it at install time ? |
| 01:16.05 | tpocra | I'm having a hard time installing Wine from experimental. I installed ia32-apt-get which seems to replace ia32-libs |
| 01:16.11 | blendmaster1024 | because every other distro that i've used can do it |
| 01:16.17 | tpocra | But Wine and all libwine stuf still depends on ia32-libs? |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: at the bottom of the tasksel, is there an option to 'choose packages manually' ? |
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| 01:16.45 | blendmaster1024 | no |
| 01:16.56 | blendmaster1024 | which is why i wonder if it's even possible |
| 01:17.14 | abrotman | did you check the install guide? |
| 01:17.29 | blendmaster1024 | lol, where's that? |
| 01:17.34 | Piranah | online |
| 01:17.35 | Piranah | lol |
| 01:18.01 | blendmaster1024 | heh |
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| 01:18.25 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:18.25 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: but just checking it quickly, i don't see it |
| 01:18.37 | blendmaster1024 | woah that was a short ! command |
| 01:18.41 | BoltPwer56 | ? for those that have used rtorrent. What is the normal process you follow to add torrents so rtorrents downloads them? |
| 01:19.22 | rizzler | haven't used rtorrent in a while but i remember having mine set up to automatically add .torrent files that were added to a certain dir |
| 01:20.18 | rizzler | thinking i might set up my old powerbook as a headless torrent box like that again actually |
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| 01:22.49 | rizzler | it's running surprisingly smooth with Lenny + XFCE though |
| 01:23.24 | rizzler | considering it's a G3 |
| 01:24.08 | rizzler | Gnome was a little clunky |
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| 01:24.37 | rizzler | can't expect too much out of almost 10 year old notebooks though hehe |
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| 01:25.17 | roflparrot | Hello. I didn't install all the packages I wanted to from the install CD. Can I install everything else now? |
| 01:25.32 | roflparrot | I speak of the Debian 5 CD |
| 01:25.47 | abrotman | sure |
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| 01:26.14 | blendmaster1024 | hmm i want to know that too |
| 01:26.24 | roflparrot | I installed a few packages from it with apt-get but can i just load everything? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: that's not what you asked |
| 01:26.35 | blendmaster1024 | the normal package installer tools are missing after installing from cd 1 |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | normal? |
| 01:26.44 | blendmaster1024 | no, that's not what i asked |
| 01:27.01 | roflparrot | mmm I had to install build-essential later |
| 01:27.09 | blendmaster1024 | normal = aptitude, synaptic, the works, all that's there is the basic apt suite |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | so install aptitude |
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| 01:27.54 | blendmaster1024 | how? the repos are all messed up |
| 01:28.01 | abrotman | apt-get install aptitude |
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| 01:28.12 | blendmaster1024 | i can't install anything else from CD, and i have no internet on that computer |
| 01:28.20 | roflparrot | yeah I am missing lots of packages |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | why can't you use the CD ? |
| 01:28.25 | roflparrot | same same no net connection |
| 01:28.43 | blendmaster1024 | because the repos that should tell it how to use the cd are all messed up |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | so use apt-cdrom |
| 01:29.12 | blendmaster1024 | will "man apt-cdrom" tell me what i need to know? |
| 01:29.22 | roflparrot | ooer apt-cdrom |
| 01:29.36 | abrotman | you just run it .. it will ask you to stick the CD in so it can scan it |
| 01:29.51 | roflparrot | apt-cdrom install everything-evarrr |
| 01:29.59 | rizzler | lulz |
| 01:30.28 | rizzler | it-all should be a package |
| 01:30.30 | blendmaster1024 | ok whee thanks! no need to install at install time anymore... or whatever |
| 01:30.33 | blendmaster1024 | bye |
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| 01:36.19 | redstick | how can i find a repository key that ive already put in with apt-key ? |
| 01:36.34 | redstick | is it kept in a file somewhere, a list of gpg keys? |
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| 01:36.45 | surial | Heh, mac keyboards have a fairly useless § key to the left of the '1'. I'd like to use this as the screen escape key, but 'escape §§' does not work. |
| 01:36.51 | tpocra | So... ia32-apt-get conflicts with ia32-libs, yet ia32-libs depends on ia32-apt-get? |
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| 01:36.58 | tpocra | That makes ia32-libs uninstallable... |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | tpocra: don't use unstable if you want things to work |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | redstick: apt-key list ? |
| 01:38.04 | woshty | röh |
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| 01:38.46 | redstick | abrotman, how about if im not on that system at the time? if i have access to the drive, but i dont want to bother to boot it up? :/ |
| 01:39.17 | redstick | want to enable that key on a seperate distro/partition |
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| 01:40.51 | surial | Success, sort of: 'escape \247\247' in the .screenrc file. Except I can now no longer type § in the command line window, as screen will screw it up. Eh, I can live with that. |
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| 01:49.10 | babby | Hey guys, i just installed MPD and it failed to start right after installing it saying the port it was trying to bind to was in use (6600) when the port isnt in use, I tried changing it to a different port and it still didnt work |
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| 01:50.19 | cast | nc -l -p 6600 fail too? |
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| 02:05.36 | edbian | Quick question |
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| 02:05.52 | edbian | I have lighttpd with a php5-cgi module installed |
| 02:06.09 | edbian | Why does ps -e report like 7 different pid php5-cgi processes? |
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| 02:07.41 | edbian | 2nd question: Is there a way to view the stuff printed during the boot process after I've logged in? |
| 02:08.07 | dutchfish | edbian, partly, dmesg and you can toggle a bootlog |
| 02:08.24 | edbian | dutchfish: I can "toggle a bootlog" ?? |
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| 02:08.58 | dutchfish | !bootlog |
| 02:08.59 | chrisn2323 | can someone help with my wireless problem? |
| 02:08.59 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 02:09.00 | chrisn2323 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7639118#post7639118 |
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| 02:11.30 | edbian | 3rd questions |
| 02:11.50 | edbian | When I gksu something and gnome darkens the screen it is all choppy (I'm running compiz) Anybody know why? |
| 02:11.59 | chrisn2323 | driver problem |
| 02:12.00 | chrisn2323 | ? |
| 02:12.21 | edbian | chrisn2323: Are you talking about your problem or mine? |
| 02:12.25 | chrisn2323 | urs |
| 02:12.35 | edbian | Every other part of compiz works great |
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| 02:13.06 | edbian | I think it has something to do with the fact that gnome has it's own very basic animations (like the wire frames) that possibly are conflicting with compiz |
| 02:13.23 | chrisn2323 | try disabling them |
| 02:13.29 | edbian | chrisn2323: How> |
| 02:13.30 | edbian | ? |
| 02:13.35 | edbian | Is there a gconf-editor key? |
| 02:13.36 | chrisn2323 | probably somewhere in settings |
| 02:13.57 | edbian | I'll find it somewhere |
| 02:14.01 | edbian | I have to go now! |
| 02:14.04 | edbian | Thanks for the help! |
| 02:14.06 | edbian | :) |
| 02:14.10 | chrisn2323 | bye |
| 02:14.30 | chrisn2323 | can someone help me with my wireless problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7639118#post7639118 |
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| 02:16.32 | dutchfish | ralink |
| 02:16.39 | dutchfish | !ralink |
| 02:16.40 | dpkg | Ralink is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline kernels, ask me about <rt2x00> and <ralink firmware>. For support of 802.11 draft-n devices, ask me about <rt2860> (PCI) or <rt2870> (USB) instead. |
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| 02:20.35 | dutchfish | chrisn2323, more specifically did you install frimware-ralink from non-free ? |
| 02:20.46 | dutchfish | s/frimware/firmware |
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| 02:20.57 | chrisn2323 | yes dutchfish |
| 02:21.38 | dutchfish | chrisn2323, and i suppose you are on lenny? |
| 02:21.42 | chrisn2323 | yup |
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| 02:23.07 | dutchfish | chrisg, and you have also wpa-suplicant installed? |
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| 02:24.02 | dutchfish | !wpasupplicant |
| 02:24.02 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 02:25.07 | chrisn2323 | yes dutchfish |
| 02:27.40 | Akufen | !foremost |
| 02:28.24 | dutchfish | chrisn2323, sorry, out of advice then ... mmm.. any logs? |
| 02:28.43 | chrisn2323 | logs? |
| 02:28.47 | chrisn2323 | what do you mean |
| 02:28.52 | dutchfish | chrisn2323, logfiles |
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| 02:33.50 | exobyte | I'm geting this when I try to do svn co, and I already upgraded subversion and libneon27 to the sid versions. svn: OPTIONS of 'http://madwifi-project.org/svn/madwifi/trunk': could not connect to server |
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| 03:10.04 | eccentri1 | win 4 |
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| 03:10.24 | eccentri1 | oops, ignore that.. sorry |
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| 03:12.36 | thiebaude_ | how do you change a nic |
| 03:13.31 | cast | you open the case, pull it out, and put a new one in |
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| 03:13.44 | cast | depending how keen you are you may want to turn the computer off first |
| 03:18.48 | unikon | Greetings, id like to install Debian on a external 160 gig harddrive to boot up via USB since ive never tried booting up an entire os via USB can someone please point out a good webpage that explains how to set up a external USB drive via NTFS or FAT32 for booting up with Debain Etch |
| 03:19.16 | unikon | debain/debian* |
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| 03:23.28 | cast | unikon: what does NTFS or fat32 have to do with debian |
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| 03:24.32 | unikon | nothing id just like to set Debian up to boot eithway |
| 03:24.42 | unikon | eitherway* |
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| 03:25.49 | cast | set it up in the BIOS |
| 03:25.59 | cast | then a normal install on the USB drive will work fine |
| 03:27.52 | unikon | thank you |
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| 04:14.07 | edbian | Can I use ffmpeg to convert flac to ogg? |
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| 04:14.25 | edbian | audio |
| 04:14.58 | cast | doesn't quite make sense, ogg is a container |
| 04:15.30 | cast | you could put your flac in an .ogg with no drama |
| 04:15.38 | cast | is that what you want to do? |
| 04:16.17 | edbian | cast: Perhaps I am confused. I thought that .flac was a lossless audio codec and .ogg (vorbis) was a lossy audio codec. Is this incorrect? |
| 04:16.50 | cast | .ogg is a container, that can contain flac, speex, vorbis, theora, often more than 1 |
| 04:17.12 | edbian | ic ic |
| 04:17.19 | cast | now, if you want vorbis. use oggenc, part of vorbis-tools, it'll read your .flac fine |
| 04:17.48 | edbian | So a .flac file and a flac file with a .ogg extension are the same thing? |
| 04:18.00 | edbian | essentially |
| 04:18.10 | zinx | not neccesarily |
| 04:18.13 | cast | normally as easy as cd dir/; for i in *flac; do oggenc -q6 -- "$i"; done or something. |
| 04:18.26 | zinx | older versions of flac were not encapsulated in .ogg format |
| 04:18.35 | edbian | cast: Your a dream :) |
| 04:18.40 | edbian | zinx: This is new |
| 04:18.49 | cast | if only your sister agreed! |
| 04:18.58 | edbian | ha ha ha |
| 04:19.01 | zinx | edbian: newer flac is encapsulated in ogg |
| 04:19.14 | cast | zinx: do you know what they used, some special purpose flac container? |
| 04:19.21 | zinx | cast: yes |
| 04:19.57 | edbian | Have you noticed that sound encoder has a small bug? It sometimes messes up converting flac to vorbis and the song time is all screwy. Like a 3 minutes song will come out 49:23 and then not play right |
| 04:20.53 | edbian | I don't have a recent incantation but I have before taken CD (store bought) ripped into flac and used sound converter to convert to vorbis and this happened on 2 of the tracks. |
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| 04:22.29 | edbian | Will there be any noticeable decrease in quality converting flac to vorbis? (with the default options in oggenc?? |
| 04:22.55 | cast | nah, go have a look at hydrogen audio for listening tests |
| 04:23.28 | cast | q6 is a bit of overkill, i can't remember the point where it becomes transparent but it is less, perhaps around q4 |
| 04:24.00 | cast | below q6 stero is coupled, |
| 04:24.08 | edbian | cast: hydrogen audio is a website? |
| 04:24.12 | edbian | What is q6? q4? |
| 04:24.18 | edbian | Sorry I'm not an audio buff |
| 04:24.26 | cast | indeed, a forum, man oggenc, -q option |
| 04:24.48 | edbian | cast: I just stumpled upon that sections |
| 04:24.51 | cast | have a look at wikipedia for vorbis, it'll probably reference audio tests etc.. |
| 04:24.52 | edbian | section* of the man page |
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| 04:25.34 | cast | you can get a tuned version of vorbis that has better perference than the reference implementation, i wouldn't bother unless you're aiming for really low bitrates |
| 04:26.11 | cast | better performance*, later, gotta ride |
| 04:26.16 | edbian | bye! |
| 04:27.30 | edbian | Can somebody else help me with that little loop he wrote? |
| 04:27.57 | edbian | What is that bit at the end "-- "$i"; What is that all about? |
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| 04:31.10 | edbian | for i in *.flac; do oggenc -q5 $i; done; |
| 04:31.25 | edbian | How is this reporting "Multiple files specified when using stdin" ?? |
| 04:31.53 | edbian | for i in *.flac isn't taking one thing at a time? |
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| 04:34.15 | Yozik | Anyone here play Q3A? I get no sound when playing.. can anyone help? |
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| 04:34.41 | \3TATUK | Anyone here play Q3A? I get no sound when playing.. can anyone help? |
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| 04:39.32 | zhxk | http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/i16264 |
| 04:42.10 | MadMoney | \3TATUK: You are offtopic. |
| 04:42.13 | MadMoney | !topic |
| 04:42.19 | MadMoney | !ootopic |
| 04:42.23 | MadMoney | !offtopic |
| 04:42.24 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 04:42.31 | \3TATUK | how am i offtopic |
| 04:42.33 | MadMoney | dpkg: Wrong. |
| 04:42.33 | dpkg | NEVER! |
| 04:42.47 | MadMoney | takes dpkg out back. |
| 04:42.51 | \3TATUK | my sound in q3 on DEBIAN doesn't work |
| 04:42.53 | \3TATUK | heh |
| 04:43.56 | Guerin | \3TATUK: id games generally have broken sound support. You probably need to use a wrapper of some sort. Google, or ask in a g4m3rd00d channel. |
| 04:44.14 | zinx | or use ioquake3 |
| 04:44.33 | \3TATUK | ioq3 is out cause then i can't play on pb servers |
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| 05:22.52 | jk__ | i upgraded to lenny and am having sound card problems |
| 05:22.58 | jk__ | can someone guide me ? |
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| 05:30.00 | sunru | hello, i'm using sid (etc etc), theres a udev bug that cranks cpu. Does udevd have a log or anything? |
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| 05:39.47 | ``y7 | how do you perform a search in a manual? |
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| 05:45.03 | MadMoney | ``y7: / |
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| 05:45.16 | ``y7 | ty sir |
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| 05:46.44 | deadcat | how can i utilize the multimedia keys on a kb? |
| 05:47.43 | ``y7 | can modifying the /etc/fstab file wipe the data on my hdds? |
| 05:48.04 | deadcat | ``y7: no |
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| 05:50.33 | streuner_ | there is an app for |
| 05:50.44 | streuner_ | deadcat :-) |
| 05:51.08 | streuner_ | !+tell deadcat -about search |
| 05:51.10 | dpkg | told deadcat about search. |
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| 05:51.24 | deadcat | streuner_: the keymaps? |
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| 05:51.33 | ``y7 | thx deadcat |
| 05:52.00 | deadcat | i dont know if its because i am using the apple bluetooth kb. but the keycodes are all jacked up. or maybe after a dist-upgrade on sid lately. |
| 05:53.33 | streuner_ | !info keytouch |
| 05:54.01 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure extra function keys in multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 172 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
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| 05:55.41 | ``y7 | after modifying the /etc/fstab file, how do i go about getting the file to load so the hdd that i'm trying to mount mounts? |
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| 05:56.15 | streuner_ | umount -a, mount -a, man mount for details |
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| 05:56.27 | ``y7 | thx |
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| 06:00.35 | ``y7 | when i tried umount -a, i get the error msg: umount: /dev/:device is busy and umount: /: device is busy any ideas what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 06:01.50 | ZitZ | umount -a i didn't know that you could do that but, it's trying to unmount all drives, you can't unmount partitions that are in use, and you're root partition is in use, you'll have to unmount everything individually |
| 06:02.30 | ``y7 | do i have to use umount -a if the hdd that i'm trying to bring up has never been mounted before? |
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| 06:03.16 | ``y7 | or better yet, is there a program that i can install that will automatically do all of this mounting stuff for me? similiar to how ubuntu does it? |
| 06:05.26 | streuner_ | no |
| 06:05.45 | streuner_ | (for the first question) |
| 06:06.22 | ``y7 | ok, well when i try "mount -a" i get the error msg: [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 06:06.25 | streuner_ | sure, if you using GNOME there is gnome-volume automounting stuff |
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| 06:06.37 | ZitZ | what are you trying to do, if this is just a second hard drive you should first put it in your fstab and then unmount it specifically on the command line or through nautilus or something |
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| 06:07.10 | streuner_ | besides, why do you use Debian now? |
| 06:07.11 | ``y7 | it's an external hdd that is setup as an ntfs. i need to access the files on the hdd |
| 06:07.20 | ``y7 | because ubuntu kept crashing |
| 06:08.27 | ZitZ | okay, usb I assume? first you need to install ntfs-3g |
| 06:08.33 | streuner_ | if you using gnome-volume autostuff, just dont make an entry in fstab :-) |
| 06:08.40 | ``y7 | it's firewire... not sure if that's the same difference |
| 06:08.50 | ZitZ | shouldn't matter |
| 06:09.00 | ``y7 | ok, ntfs-3g is now installed |
| 06:09.23 | ZitZ | since it's external I'd recommend gnome-volume-manager which will automatically mount it and bring up a window when you plug it in |
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| 06:09.44 | ZitZ | if you're using nautilus, which I assume you are since you used to use ubuntu |
| 06:09.57 | ``y7 | i was attempted to use gparted |
| 06:10.07 | ZitZ | since this is external, ignore what I said earlier about fstab |
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| 06:10.22 | ZitZ | why gparted? Is it not partitioned or formatted yet? |
| 06:10.25 | ``y7 | should i delete the modifications i made to fstab? |
| 06:10.41 | ``y7 | it is partitioned and formatted, i just thought that's what i was supposed to use |
| 06:10.44 | ZitZ | yes you should, sorry about that |
| 06:10.56 | ``y7 | i didn't get very far on ubuntu... it kept crashing and wouldn't let me do anything to let me explore |
| 06:10.59 | ZitZ | no, gparted is only for formatting and partitioning |
| 06:11.06 | ``y7 | ok |
| 06:11.10 | ``y7 | thank you for all of your help |
| 06:11.14 | ``y7 | i'll get to work on all of that |
| 06:11.25 | ZitZ | okay, no problem, you're welcome |
| 06:12.14 | ``y7 | i've got an internal hdd that i'm going to work on later... what should i do with that one to get it going? |
| 06:12.27 | ``y7 | ntfs fs |
| 06:12.58 | craigevil | !tell ``y7 about ntfs-3g |
| 06:13.03 | ``y7 | thx |
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| 06:15.46 | ``y7 | how do i know when to use hda or sda? |
| 06:15.51 | ZitZ | you need to add a line to fstab for your extra partitions |
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| 06:16.31 | ZitZ | if you are using serial ata drives, or mounting an external usb/firewire drive, you need to use sd |
| 06:16.49 | ZitZ | internal pata drives are hd |
| 06:16.57 | ``y7 | ty sir |
| 06:20.31 | ``y7 | i followed this pages instructions http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage and after "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
| 06:20.53 | ``y7 | i get the error msg: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/windows: no such file or directory |
| 06:21.13 | ``y7 | i changed /dev/sda1 to /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:21.34 | ZitZ | most likely /mnt/windows doesn't exist and you need to create |
| 06:21.47 | ZitZ | as root mkdir /mnt/windows/ |
| 06:21.50 | ``y7 | should i just try / instead of /mnt/windows? |
| 06:21.59 | ``y7 | oh, i see what it's doing. ty |
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| 06:22.53 | ``y7 | success! i'm done with questions for the night. ty so much =D |
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| 06:32.49 | omid8bimo | hey, i'm on debian sid amd64, when try to run some pkgs, i get errors like libX11.so.6 not found or libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 not found or libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 not found, but everything works good and i have those under /usr/lib |
| 06:32.58 | omid8bimo | what's wrong? |
| 06:33.48 | kn0x | omid8bimo: are you running a 32-bit 64-bit executable |
| 06:34.04 | omid8bimo | upon upgdare however, ia32-xxx stuff has been removed and under sid they dont exist yet i think |
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| 06:36.19 | omid8bimo | kn0x: kinda, my deb sid is 64bit |
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| 06:36.34 | omid8bimo | i think these apps are 32bit, |
| 06:36.41 | kn0x | yeah, what app |
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| 07:03.28 | barmagnet | after an update a few weeks back, I found that my networking doesn't start automatically when I connect the LAN cable. how can I fix this issue? |
| 07:03.56 | barmagnet | that is, i insert my lan cable in the ethernet port and nothing happens in the gnome panel, the networking icon doesn't come alive. in fact there is no networking icon at all in my gnome panel. |
| 07:05.27 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.38 | bpun | (may be named similar to that) |
| 07:06.47 | barmagnet | bpun, it is started. /etc/init.d/network-manager restart. shouldn't it start automatically anyway when debian starts? |
| 07:06.52 | barmagnet | I am using Squeeze, btw. |
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| 08:00.12 | boodie | Hi |
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| 08:02.51 | deco | i just installed debian lenny and i added repos to the sources.list is it ok ? http://debian.pastebin.com/m4a9cd06c |
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| 08:03.19 | heffay | looks fine to me |
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| 08:04.01 | deco | heffay: thanks was worried:P :-) |
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| 08:04.25 | heffay | if you typed something wrong, it would tell you when you update anyway |
| 08:05.24 | deco | heffay: ah thanks. do you know where i can get a list of mirrors ? i want the fastest mirror |
| 08:06.14 | heffay | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 08:06.43 | deco | heffay: thanks again |
| 08:07.10 | deco | just switched from archlinux so i have a ton to learn |
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| 08:08.03 | heffay | im pretty noob myself, but nothing really goes wrong with debian for me |
| 08:08.13 | heffay | i break it out of my ignorance from time to time |
| 08:08.33 | deco | hehe yeah well that's a great way to learn :-D |
| 08:08.38 | heffay | indeed |
| 08:09.35 | craigevil | might want to add non-free to security |
| 08:11.06 | heffay | why is that craigevil? |
| 08:11.34 | craigevil | he has non-free in the main repo line wouldnt hurt to have in on the security line as well |
| 08:11.47 | heffay | mine is set up the same way |
| 08:11.53 | heffay | makes sense |
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| 08:13.28 | deco | craigevil: do i just copy and add non free at the end ? |
| 08:13.35 | heffay | non-free |
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| 08:14.32 | craigevil | basically you want the security line to have the same as the first, main contrib non-free |
| 08:14.49 | jony123 | wud there be a way to have tty1 in one moniter and tty2 in the other? |
| 08:14.51 | deco | craigevil: thanks done |
| 08:15.48 | craigevil | and depending on what apps your going to want/need you will probably want backports.org and debian-multimedia.org repos, and maybe volatile if you use a AV like clam |
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| 08:16.25 | deco | craigevil: thanks and do i add a lenny main ? or main non-free enough ? |
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| 08:17.59 | craigevil | deco: take a look at > http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ you only want the Stable/Lenny section |
| 08:18.36 | heffay | i dont use backports i just pin testing |
| 08:18.39 | heffay | its pretty cool |
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| 08:19.38 | nsadmin | heffay: that would be a mixed dist, not recommended |
| 08:19.41 | craigevil | backports sometimes has newer packages than testing like backports has 2.6.30 kernel testing doesnt |
| 08:19.48 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 08:20.24 | heffay | weird |
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| 08:20.44 | deco | craigevil: thank you very much now i have a better idea |
| 08:21.53 | heffay | im sure i did it for a reason |
| 08:22.00 | heffay | i dont think what i needed was in backports |
| 08:22.03 | biopyte | hi. how cant i get completely rid of icon titles on the gnome desktop? |
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| 08:22.29 | nsadmin | heffay: you can always try backporting stuff yourself |
| 08:22.36 | craigevil | heffay: thats when you do your own backport |
| 08:22.38 | craigevil | !ssb |
| 08:22.38 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 08:22.43 | heffay | i have no idea what that entails |
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| 08:23.16 | nsadmin | look -right- above what you just typed :) |
| 08:24.16 | craigevil | i have a couple of friends that run lenny, they backport things like pidgin, iceweasel and a few other apps that get old or dont work for some odd reason in lenny |
| 08:24.17 | heffay | i dont really understand what that is |
| 08:24.38 | VerusGladiator | I added two lines with crontab -e but the second line never executes. |
| 08:24.43 | VerusGladiator | */5 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail &> /dev/null |
| 08:24.44 | VerusGladiator | 23 * * * * /usr/bin/beep -l 600 -r 3 |
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| 08:26.37 | VerusGladiator | I need to set an alarm every hour to chew nicotine gum. :) |
| 08:27.24 | nsadmin | heffay: it's what you need to do to a package not from your version to make it work properly on your system |
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| 08:34.43 | yurikoles | what codec do i need to play AMR? D-M connected |
| 08:35.14 | heffay | what is happening though? you are taking the source from sid right? |
| 08:35.29 | heffay | and having your stable install make a .deb out of it? |
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| 08:36.15 | jelly-home | VerusGladiator: are you positive it doesn't execute? It might be just not beeping, because cron jobs don't get connected to a terminal. |
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| 08:36.36 | VerusGladiator | jelly-home: I can add an echo to a file. |
| 08:36.38 | Galaxor | Hi. I'm trying to upgrade from etch to lenny, following the guide in the release notes. |
| 08:36.40 | VerusGladiator | Hold on. |
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| 08:37.04 | Galaxor | I changed my sources.list and did aptitude update. Now I tried to do apt-get install apt. I get this. |
| 08:37.05 | Galaxor | apt: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 is to be installed |
| 08:37.06 | apt | Galaxor: that's too long |
| 08:37.32 | jelly-home | apt: be quiet |
| 08:37.33 | apt | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 08:38.28 | rozie | Galaxor: follow release notes exactly, there won't be such an issue |
| 08:38.51 | Galaxor | rozie: What did I miss? I thought I was following it exactly. |
| 08:38.54 | craigevil | Galaxor: did you comment out your etch sources? |
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| 08:39.11 | rozie | you missed upgrade part IIRC |
| 08:40.35 | VerusGladiator | jelly-home: 40 * * * * /usr/bin/beep -l 600 -r 3 && echo aa > /home/positron/aabb.txt |
| 08:40.45 | VerusGladiator | Didn't create that file. |
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| 08:41.14 | Galaxor | craigevi: I did s/etch/lenny/g in vim. |
| 08:41.35 | VerusGladiator | jelly-home: the first line I'm sure it executes. |
| 08:41.37 | rozie | Galaxor: paste sources.list on pastebin |
| 08:41.55 | rozie | did you use apt-pinning? |
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| 08:42.33 | Galaxor | http://pastebin.ca/1499921 |
| 08:42.45 | Galaxor | rozie: As far as I know, I've never pinned a package. |
| 08:43.05 | Galaxor | rozie: It says to edit /etc/apt/preferences to disable it. |
| 08:43.11 | Galaxor | rozie: I don't even have that file. |
| 08:44.09 | rozie | seems to be OK |
| 08:44.17 | Galaxor | This comes up blank: aptitude search "~ahold" | grep "^.h" |
| 08:44.27 | rozie | apt-get update && apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 08:45.33 | Galaxor | http://pastebin.ca/1499922 |
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| 08:46.05 | Galaxor | I've never seen this apt-cache policy. I don't know what it means. |
| 08:46.06 | KC | anybody know the state of open source drivers on ATI right now? |
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| 08:49.09 | rozie | Galaxor: man apt(-cache) then |
| 08:49.33 | rozie | KC: there are two radeon and radeon-hd |
| 08:49.58 | KC | um |
| 08:49.59 | rozie | radeon works quite well |
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| 08:50.06 | KC | that covers like 80 different cards? |
| 08:50.12 | KC | for which series? |
| 08:50.20 | rozie | 9200 for sure ;) |
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| 08:52.12 | KC | rephrases that: how are open source ATI drivers for cards that will fit in an x16 slot |
| 08:52.21 | KC | my computer isn't quite *that* old |
| 08:52.26 | Galaxor | rozie: Does the priority of 100 beat the priority of 500? Or the other way around? Which doc is that in? |
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| 08:58.26 | Galaxor | Hm. According to /var/lib/dpkg/status, libc6-dev depends on libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1). Is this my problem? Should I upgrade libc6-dev? |
| 08:59.05 | Galaxor | Yes. It looks like that will work. |
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| 09:17.18 | kripz | how can i debug why my jfs partition keeps going in to read only mode next time it happens? |
| 09:18.00 | yurikoles | can i safely remove apt cache? |
| 09:18.03 | yurikoles | !apt cache |
| 09:18.52 | yurikoles | !apt-cache |
| 09:18.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository is came from, use apt-cache policy foo, apt-cache show foo or apt-cache showpkg foo (searches for reverse dependencies). apt-cache search foo helps finding which packages provide or are related to foo by seearching all package descriptions. man apt-cache |
| 09:19.02 | Esine | kripz: type in dmesg|tail after it happens |
| 09:19.19 | Esine | it usually means there is something wrong with your hard drive |
| 09:19.24 | Esine | bad blocks or such |
| 09:19.33 | kripz | Smart wont pick it up? |
| 09:19.42 | Esine | SMART may pick it up, yes |
| 09:19.45 | Esine | install smartmontools |
| 09:19.53 | kripz | Got it, i think its on |
| 09:20.04 | Esine | you can also run a SMART test kripz |
| 09:20.09 | kripz | Esine, heres my log: http://pastebin.com/m3acd7f17 |
| 09:20.14 | kripz | It means nothing to me |
| 09:20.32 | Esine | hum yes, that looks quite bad |
| 09:21.07 | Esine | I suggest you run a SMART long test: smartctl -t long /dev/sda or whatever your real device is |
| 09:21.15 | Esine | it might take a while.. like an hour |
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| 09:21.21 | Esine | then view the results with smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 09:21.25 | kripz | 4 drives to test :( |
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| 09:21.30 | kripz | its in raid 5 |
| 09:21.35 | Esine | you can test them all simultaneuosly |
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| 09:21.46 | Esine | issue the -t long command to each drive |
| 09:21.53 | Esine | it's a background test |
| 09:22.03 | kripz | Do i have ot unmount though? |
| 09:22.07 | Esine | no |
| 09:22.09 | Esine | they're online tests |
| 09:22.10 | kripz | ah cool |
| 09:22.21 | Esine | do you use software raid or hardware? |
| 09:22.27 | kripz | mdadm |
| 09:22.30 | Esine | yes ok |
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| 09:49.19 | route_ | So I want to setup a debian server and run 4 debian virtual servers on it. What's the best way to set that up? I've seen mention of lguest, xen, and kvm. Dunno what I should use. |
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| 09:50.09 | takahiro | hi, where can i find some unofficial .deb's for Java? |
| 09:50.12 | route_ | 2 virtuals will be web servers that should have public IP addresses on eth0, 2 of the virtuals will be database servers that have private internal IPs on eth1. |
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| 09:51.18 | rozie | takahiro: you can make your own .deb |
| 09:51.40 | rozie | make-jpkg is the command |
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| 09:52.01 | takahiro | i know, but is there anywhere i can just install the deb and not worry about long complicated instructions that i will most likely screw up? |
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| 09:54.46 | hetOrakel | my rhytmbox does not start anymore any-one got a clue? |
| 09:55.45 | rozie | takahiro: do not know. It's just like download and make-jpkg and wajig install .deb |
| 09:56.04 | g00se | takahiro: What have you got in mind? |
| 09:56.23 | takahiro | n/m i found it using google: apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 09:56.55 | rozie | takahiro: you probably want sun-java6-jre |
| 09:57.06 | takahiro | yeah im downloading both |
| 09:57.14 | rozie | but these are official debs... |
| 09:57.22 | g00se | takahiro: There's nothing 'unofficial' about that ;-) |
| 09:57.29 | route_ | Anyone here know anything about setting up virtuals? |
| 09:57.51 | takahiro | i meant unofficial in the official sense |
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| 10:01.01 | route_ | Is there a channel on freenode for virtualization? |
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| 10:13.19 | dutchfish | hi, installing linux-image debian package succeeds without any error, however there is no initrd created. manaually executing update-initramfs -c -k fials with path not found. Squeeze amd64. Please take a peak here: http://paste.debian.net:80/42114/ |
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| 10:20.55 | poisonbit | dutchfish, did you use --initrd in the make-kpkg invocation ? |
| 10:21.28 | dutchfish | poisonbit, as you can see in http://paste.debian.net:80/42114/ i used update-initramfs -c -k vmlinuz-2.6.30.1-lldesktop-amd64 |
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| 10:23.19 | dutchfish | poisonbit, apperently it errors out on: Cannot find /lib/modules/vmlinuz-2.6.30.1-lldesktop-amd64 (watch the vmlinuz in front wich is erouniasly) |
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| 10:24.13 | dutchfish | poisonbit, ie the module path is wrong |
| 10:24.53 | dutchfish | poisonbit, and yes my /boot/grub/menu.lst file is correct |
| 10:24.57 | poisonbit | maybe you should reinstall boot packages. initramfs-tools and the linux-image |
| 10:25.48 | dutchfish | poisonbit, that wa smy initial thought to, and i completely installed form scratch, rebuilded the linux-image package, same error |
| 10:26.31 | poisonbit | how did you rebuild ? which exact command line did you use ? |
| 10:26.32 | dutchfish | poisonbit, if i build it on lenny and install it in lenny, its fine |
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| 10:26.47 | LordMetroid | I am about to purchase a VPS, the admin recommended to use Centos 4 cause it was a hell of a stable dist. he said. However I am not so oriented in Centos and last time I tried a system with RPMs it ended with a change of distribution. Is the latest Debian stable and secure for server use? |
| 10:27.07 | LordMetroid | Or what would you recommend for a server? |
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| 10:27.39 | LordMetroid | I want apt, I love apt and specially the vast repository that debian provides |
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| 10:27.54 | cast | use debian. |
| 10:27.59 | route_ | I believe CentOS also supports apt. |
| 10:28.08 | route_ | My company uses both CentOS and Debian servers. |
| 10:28.15 | cast | linode is an awesome VPS provider, too :) |
| 10:28.16 | route_ | I personally prefer Debian. |
| 10:28.23 | dutchfish | poisonbit, http://paste.debian.net:80/42115/ |
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| 10:29.23 | poisonbit | dutchfish, seems fine to me. May be some bug. You can track changes from lenny to squeeze, in the Changelog files |
| 10:29.40 | poisonbit | and you can check /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 10:30.06 | dutchfish | poisonbit, i already did, but nothing much with the same error (yet) take a peak at: http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git |
| 10:30.15 | poisonbit | also maybe a kernel-pacckage problem (not related to the initramfs à ckage) |
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| 10:30.58 | dutchfish | poisonbit, no, as a said before it works on debian lenny (as it always did for years) |
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| 10:31.26 | dutchfish | poisonbit, not sure, but it looks like initramfs-tools bug |
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| 10:33.31 | dutchfish | poisonbit, if i run the command on the standard kernel 2.6.26, the same look at: http://paste.debian.net:80/42116/ |
| 10:34.02 | dutchfish | poisonbit, also with a fresh install for squeeze |
| 10:34.50 | dutchfish | poisonbit, so i am tend to think its initramfs-tools |
| 10:35.25 | dutchfish | poisonbit, i did not try to build iniramfs-tools form the git yet with latest fxies |
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| 10:36.47 | poisonbit | update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.26-2-amd64 ? without vmlinuz- |
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| 10:37.32 | dutchfish | poisonbit, Cannot create version 2.6.26-2-amd64: already exists |
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| 10:37.59 | poisonbit | well, but now it finds the modules dir |
| 10:38.10 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.32 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.35 | dutchfish | poisonbit, that works, i am baffled ... eeks |
| 10:38.39 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 10:39.04 | dutchfish | poisonbit, but thta doesnt explain why it isnt generated in install of linux-image package |
| 10:39.58 | dutchfish | poisonbit, and this works also for the other kernel |
| 10:40.32 | dutchfish | poisonbit, initrd.img-2.6.30.1-lldesktop-amd64 is happely created |
| 10:41.11 | poisonbit | mmm http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/initramfs-tools.postinst |
| 10:41.15 | dutchfish | poisonbit, so is it my error that initramfs-tools expect module dir name insteda of kernelname? |
| 10:41.19 | poisonbit | that && \ |
| 10:41.19 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.20 | dpkg | poisonbit: no idea |
| 10:41.38 | poisonbit | that condition complains in debian ? |
| 10:41.44 | poisonbit | i think that no |
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| 10:42.15 | dutchfish | poisonbit, i lost you here? |
| 10:42.28 | poisonbit | i don't know |
| 10:42.38 | poisonbit | why the linux-image fails |
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| 10:43.34 | dutchfish | poisonbit, might be related whats inside /etc/kernel (the post and pre scripts)? |
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| 10:44.06 | poisonbit | crono:/home/inigo # dpkg -S /etc/kernel |
| 10:44.06 | poisonbit | initramfs-tools: /etc/kernel |
| 10:44.12 | poisonbit | yes maybe |
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| 10:44.41 | dutchfish | poisonbit, i will delve into it, thank you sir! |
| 10:44.53 | poisonbit | np, good luck |
| 10:48.34 | rgr | anyone know if they're going to release a lenny update for wineserver - one that works and doesn't bring down the whole machine? currently I run ie6 or something and then wineserver doesn't quit but sits there chewing up memory and cpu until my machine is unusable. |
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| 10:51.16 | abrotman | rgr: they probably won't .. |
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| 10:51.36 | abrotman | rgr: maybe your problem is with the application you're running in wine ? |
| 10:51.37 | valdyn | rgr: every version of wine has many bugs |
| 10:51.59 | rgr | I'm aware of that. But to have a machine culling bug in stable is pretty grim. |
| 10:52.16 | valdyn | rgr: so you are argueing that wine shouldnt be in stable |
| 10:52.30 | rgr | valdyn: no. As you well know. |
| 10:52.39 | abrotman | that's what it sounds like to me |
| 10:53.00 | valdyn | rgr: but theres no version of wine that is somewhat clean and works nicely |
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| 10:53.02 | rgr | Then you need to re-read what I said. I did not say it should be rmeoved. What i said was it needs fixing. |
| 10:53.04 | abrotman | things with serious bugs should be removed from stable before stable releases |
| 10:53.29 | abrotman | if it needs to be fixed, and is fundamentally broken, then it should have never released with lenny |
| 10:53.32 | rgr | valdyn: I did not ask for a bug free wine. I asked for one (and there are many) that does not bring down the entire machine. |
| 10:53.45 | rgr | anyway --- |
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| 10:53.47 | valdyn | rgr: doesnt bring down my machine |
| 10:53.47 | abrotman | rgr: but it doesn't .. it works fine here (though i do rarely use it) |
| 10:53.56 | diddy | Does anybody know what the rc stands for in .bashrc? |
| 10:53.59 | valdyn | hes gone |
| 10:54.10 | valdyn | wine is just full of regressions, thats no good solution to that dilemma |
| 10:54.13 | route_ | really cool. :-P |
| 10:54.19 | cantido | mmm he could always use the vm images ms supply for ie6 testing, doh |
| 10:54.34 | abrotman | valdyn: he seems to do that a lot .. bitches/whines .. and runs away |
| 10:54.44 | valdyn | ah, i dont know him |
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| 10:56.46 | valdyn | diddy: rc is just a typical suffix for config files |
| 10:56.59 | valdyn | diddy: maybe it means runtime configuration, but thats not really useful or relevant |
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| 11:03.53 | diddy | valdyn, someone in another channel said that it means run control. |
| 11:03.55 | route_ | diddy "'rc' derives from 'runcom', from the mIT CTSS system, ca. 1965." -- rc (as in ".cshrc" or "/etc/rc") = "RunCom" <-- or "Run Commands" |
| 11:04.32 | diddy | route_: Thank you. |
| 11:05.02 | valdyn | just that plenty rc files nowadays dont run commands |
| 11:05.09 | valdyn | bashrc does though |
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| 11:08.12 | timahvo1 | got a general computing/linux Q. what was wrong with sysvinit? why "upstart" ? |
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| 11:09.26 | valdyn | timahvo1: upstart is event based, meaning that services get started when they are needed, not when the system starts up |
| 11:09.28 | cantido | timahvo1: I don't think there is anything wrong with sysvinit, upstart is just trying to solve the same problem in a more "modern" way I suppose.. like it's nice to have services start in parallel |
| 11:09.51 | timahvo1 | hmm |
| 11:09.55 | cantido | I thought the debian way(tm) was insserv though |
| 11:10.16 | timahvo1 | makes sense I guess |
| 11:10.57 | timahvo1 | far be it for me to stand in the way of progress |
| 11:11.04 | valdyn | insserv is still sysvinit |
| 11:11.05 | timahvo1 | viva upstart |
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| 11:12.21 | abrotman | timahvo1: are you using ubuntu ? |
| 11:12.27 | cantido | valdyn: with dependencies and concurrency |
| 11:12.42 | valdyn | cantido: yes |
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| 11:13.09 | timahvo1 | abrotman: yes and lenny as a headless server |
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| 11:13.44 | valdyn | sysvinit in debian ships the order in which services gets started, insseriv computes that order, upstart starts services "as needed", with events triggering the need |
| 11:14.18 | abrotman | there was also init-ng at one piont |
| 11:14.33 | abrotman | maybe initng |
| 11:14.36 | cantido | valdyn: bit like inetd for init then? |
| 11:15.01 | valdyn | cantido: a bit |
| 11:15.24 | valdyn | useless for a server anyway or anything where fast bootup doesnt matter much |
| 11:15.33 | valdyn | ( upstart ) |
| 11:15.47 | timahvo1 | valdyn: my thought exactly |
| 11:15.55 | timahvo1 | thoughts* |
| 11:16.06 | valdyn | insserv is neat for anything though |
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| 11:16.44 | valdyn | because maintainers or admins dont need to figure out a suitable order, just writing down the depends is easier |
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| 11:17.54 | dutchfish | valdyn, whre can i read up about the dep resolving order part? |
| 11:18.14 | valdyn | dutchfish: man insserv |
| 11:18.24 | dutchfish | valdyn, ah thanks |
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| 11:19.31 | g00se | Who here has got a good pcmcia wireless card that likes to behave promiscuously? |
| 11:20.00 | cantido | g00se: ISA pcmcia, PCI pcmcia, PCI-E + usb hackjob pcmcia? |
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| 11:20.24 | timahvo1 | valdyn: can insserv do instead of sysvinit or/and upstart ? |
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| 11:21.01 | valdyn | timahvo1: its not a replacement to sysvinit but an addition |
| 11:21.19 | g00se | cantido: Well i suppose pci |
| 11:21.39 | timahvo1 | valdyn: just orders the scripts ? |
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| 11:22.11 | valdyn | timahvo1: it orders the scripts and optionally enables parallel execution of scripts |
| 11:22.12 | timahvo1 | not too hard to do manually say you have like 50< scripts . right ? |
| 11:22.45 | valdyn | timahvo1: i dont think scalability is a problem |
| 11:22.53 | cantido | g00se: http://ralink.rapla.net/ .. ralink cards should be quite good for wifi fiddling |
| 11:24.40 | g00se | cantido: Thanks. I'll take a shufti. Am being careful since i've just acquired what i thought to be one of the best (Orinoco Gold) and found that the driver/firmware status quo will *not* allow proper monitor mode |
| 11:25.12 | abrotman | isn't that an 11b card? firmware ? |
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| 11:25.32 | cantido | g00se: If you wanted an isa card I think it'd be quite limited.. but for cardbus (pci) you should be able to get most of the standard chipsets |
| 11:25.34 | g00se | abrotman: yes it's old now |
| 11:26.03 | timahvo1 | valdyn: thanks |
| 11:26.15 | timahvo1 | valdyn: will check it out |
| 11:26.43 | cantido | being able to login while fat stuff like mysql etc start is enough reason to install insserv :) |
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| 11:27.16 | g00se | What i don't get is, for wireless cards, if pcmcia is obsolescent, what replaces them? I suppose most have internal wi-fi... |
| 11:28.18 | angel | I have bought a new TP-Link Access point for my network and I want to connect it the router, how can I configure this new access point? the ip for my router is 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:28.27 | cantido | g00se: usb2 is fast enough for networking and most machines have usb2 i suppose |
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| 11:29.18 | rozie | g00se: internal wifi cards are pretty good. intel3945 is good |
| 11:29.22 | g00se | cantido: So people use usb wireless dongles? I know they use 3G ones... |
| 11:29.24 | abrotman | angel: usually you plug in your machine, and use a browser ? |
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| 11:30.16 | rozie | g00se: and they're connected via minipci AFAIK |
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| 11:30.52 | g00se | rozie: But i'd guess not much chance of using most in monitor mode..? |
| 11:31.11 | valdyn | theres not really a nice replacement for pccard |
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| 11:31.27 | cantido | g00se: most support monitor mode, only some can do injection etc |
| 11:31.32 | cantido | valdyn: express card? |
| 11:31.44 | g00se | valdyn: This is what's beginning to dawn on me |
| 11:31.48 | rozie | g00se: monitor mode works fine |
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| 11:31.59 | valdyn | cantido: i dont know about express card, what is that? |
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| 11:32.25 | abrotman | valdyn: the follow up to PCMCIA |
| 11:32.28 | cantido | valdyn: pcmcia-like form factor but with either pci-e or usb used as the connecting bus |
| 11:32.34 | dutchfish | i have 3 partition with linux / in have grub as my bootmanager, whats is the best way to updategrub out of the non-bootable linux / partitions, i now manually mount the boot / partition and later menu.lst, is there a better way? |
| 11:32.42 | valdyn | cantido: nice, i havent seen it |
| 11:32.50 | g00se | Oh OK for monitor mode then. I'd have guessed a lot would be just too vanilla for that |
| 11:32.52 | abrotman | valdyn: pretty common on newer laptops |
| 11:33.09 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard |
| 11:33.51 | valdyn | doesnt look like i can insert (near) complete card though, like with pcmcia? |
| 11:34.03 | cantido | mmm I thought there was going to be the ability to replace onboard graphics with express cards, but I'm not sure it happened |
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| 11:34.08 | abrotman | near complete ? |
| 11:34.11 | valdyn | maybe thats just a very long card on that picture though |
| 11:34.20 | abrotman | cantido: it has that ability .. |
| 11:34.21 | valdyn | abrotman: just the antenna part looking out |
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| 11:34.44 | abrotman | valdyn: oh .. the one i've used is a verizon card .. so it has an antenna .. not sure if they normally go all the way in or not |
| 11:35.13 | valdyn | like a credit card sized chunk should fit into the slot |
| 11:35.20 | valdyn | and the rest looking out, or as few as possible |
| 11:35.42 | cantido | valdyn: I think cards that don't have antenna can go right into the machine, there's a half width version too |
| 11:35.52 | valdyn | very nice |
| 11:36.23 | abrotman | valdyn: i would assume they're way faster than pcmcia |
| 11:36.42 | valdyn | yea, pci express i guess |
| 11:36.51 | cantido | The only hardware I ever saw for pcmcia or cardbus was wireless stuff and card readers though :/ |
| 11:37.06 | valdyn | its one pcie lane |
| 11:37.44 | abrotman | cantido: sounds like oyu haven't been around long enough :) |
| 11:37.52 | valdyn | i dont care about speed, i jsut dont want usb connectors and their fragility on a portable |
| 11:38.16 | g00se | Yes ;-) I have a cardbus modem and a cardbus lan card |
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| 11:39.05 | cantido | Well, I used to have a SCSI-2 card, and a serial card.. but that was the barely pcmcia socket on an amiga, I don't think it'd work in a normal slot |
| 11:41.10 | cantido | What's a good way of making sure a machine never does a shutdown, even when someone tells it to with halt or shutdown? If someone shuts down one of these machines it takes a day to get turned back on :/ |
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| 11:41.33 | abrotman | a day ? |
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| 11:41.41 | abrotman | just tell them if they shut it down, they're fired |
| 11:41.53 | angel | how to configure the new TP-Link wireless access point to my router? |
| 11:41.57 | OpenTokix | cantido: A day? =) how? |
| 11:42.17 | abrotman | angel: didn't we cover this? |
| 11:42.23 | OpenTokix | abrotman: That solution only works in the US =) |
| 11:42.30 | cantido | OpenTokix: machines in a different country, takes a day for them to work out that the support ticket says "please turn this machine back on, pretty please" |
| 11:42.54 | OpenTokix | cantido: get machines ith ipmi? =) |
| 11:43.31 | rozie | angel: follow the instruction attatched to router |
| 11:43.32 | cantido | OpenTokix: heh, nah, these are el cheapo dedi's |
| 11:43.48 | OpenTokix | I have el cheapo to, but with ipmi =) |
| 11:44.33 | cantido | I can do remote reboots but not remote power cycles, sigh |
| 11:44.52 | angel | but it only explained how I am able to configure the router , not the accesspoint |
| 11:44.55 | OpenTokix | cantido: There is power strips with that function |
| 11:45.00 | g00se | cantido: Making sure only you can execute shutdown? |
| 11:45.13 | angel | rozie: above text |
| 11:45.40 | rozie | angel: contact tp-link support, then |
| 11:45.41 | OpenTokix | cantido: is the people that might halt the machine, root-user? |
| 11:45.42 | cantido | g00se: mmm I was just thinking if there was someway to make the machines just reboot instead it'd save a lot of headache |
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| 11:45.46 | rozie | or salesperson |
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| 11:45.59 | OpenTokix | cantido: why do people do random halts on your machines in the first place? |
| 11:46.34 | angel | rozie: there is no other option? i.e: a link? |
| 11:46.47 | rozie | angel: http://www.google.com |
| 11:46.47 | themill | cantido: how does random remote idiot have privileges to call /sbin/shutdown? |
| 11:47.24 | cantido | OpenTokix: Here's a good example, I had a ssh session to my personal machine at the same place and the other half wanted to turn off the laptop. She typed halt into the ssh session. |
| 11:47.44 | cantido | OpenTokix: one time someone wanted to do a reboot and did a shutdown by mistake |
| 11:48.04 | themill | cantido: and you were also logged in as root at the time the other half typed halt? |
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| 11:48.22 | cantido | themill: yeah, my halt really heh |
| 11:48.25 | angel | rozie: thank you, I am struggling with google since 3 days |
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| 11:48.32 | abrotman | angel: maybe try #networking |
| 11:48.39 | OpenTokix | cantido: so basically the problem is your other half is using your machine? |
| 11:49.02 | rozie | cantido: you can symlink shutdown command to reboot, but that's not your real problem |
| 11:49.04 | angel | abrotman: no one is answering |
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| 11:49.46 | abrotman | then wait .. this channel is not the right place to ask |
| 11:49.47 | OpenTokix | cantido: Just don't let our other half touch your machine. |
| 11:49.56 | themill | cantido: managing privileges with sudo (and not giving privs for halt, shutdown, telinit) would be the cleanest approach. Alternatively, look at dpkg-divert to move halt and shutdown somewhere else and replace them with a script that looks like "echo Sorry, not permitted." or something. |
| 11:50.04 | cantido | I understand that a: shouldn't leave root shells open, b: people shouldn't halt the machine.. but if there was just a simple way of setting "no hard shutdown" it would be nice heh |
| 11:50.23 | rozie | cantido: symlinks |
| 11:50.43 | rozie | but reboot can be as dangerous as halt... |
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| 11:51.20 | cantido | rozie: reboots are fine, even if the machine doesnt come back up we can get it into a rescue system. but if it gets switched off someone has to go and turn it back on |
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| 11:51.56 | cantido | mmm maybe WOL would work |
| 11:52.15 | OpenTokix | cantido: I would solve it with nonone else touch my machine |
| 11:52.17 | OpenTokix | s |
| 11:52.53 | dutchfish | instead of root access maybe sudo and clearly define what can/canot be done? |
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| 11:53.29 | cantido | OpenTokix: doesn't stop someone else thinking they need to reboot the machine to fix and issue and doing a hard shutdown though.. I was really just fishing to see if there was some sysctl or something that prevents it |
| 11:53.30 | dutchfish | why do they need root access anyway? |
| 11:53.41 | rozie | to make shutdowns |
| 11:53.43 | rozie | ;) |
| 11:54.15 | cantido | dutchfish: If they're a companies machines you can't tell them they can't have access to them |
| 11:54.29 | boonyo | this is silly, but does anyone know how to delete/remove partitions in the debian install? I've setup a LVM encrypted volume but Im unable to delete or modify the partitoins that are automatically created |
| 11:54.47 | rozie | cantido: by the way, with default setup, short pressing power button makes shutdown, so don't bother girlfriend with typing halt ;) |
| 11:55.10 | dutchfish | cantido, sigh i know, i have solved it by altering the shutdown command |
| 11:55.11 | rudi_s | boonyo: I'm not sure if I missed somethings, but the only way it worked for me is to create the LVM completely manually in the installer (no guided partitioning). |
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| 11:55.32 | deco | !uupdate |
| 11:55.33 | dpkg | uupdate (in the devscripts package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz |
| 11:55.33 | boonyo | rudi_s, ah, ok. would i still be able to have it encrypted that way? |
| 11:55.43 | cantido | rozie: the machines in question are currently 5000 miles away.. she doesnt have arms that long |
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| 11:56.09 | rudi_s | boonyo: Yes, works fine. |
| 11:56.17 | cantido | dutchfish: I'm going to do that I think, got to make sure package upgrades don't undo it though :) |
| 11:56.17 | adb | dpkg: tell deco about selftell |
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| 11:56.40 | dutchfish | cantido, dont later the code, just make it ask for a password |
| 11:56.44 | dutchfish | s/later/alter |
| 11:56.50 | abrotman | adb: i think you meant "msg the bot" |
| 11:56.51 | rozie | cantido: you told she wanted to poweroff laptop? |
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| 11:57.25 | boonyo | rudi_s now it seems i can't even get to the screen where it asks me if I want to do things manually or guided, do i need to restart the install process? |
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| 11:57.50 | cantido | rozie: yup and typed halt into a root shell on a different machine |
| 11:57.52 | rudi_s | boonyo: I think so, I found no way to do it without a reboot. |
| 11:58.17 | rozie | cantido: if she pressed power button on laptop to turn it off... |
| 11:58.21 | boonyo | wow... how annoying. that really does my head in that |
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| 11:58.52 | boonyo | rudi_s, thanks |
| 11:59.01 | rudi_s | You're welcome. |
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| 11:59.18 | cantido | rozie: she likes to prove she has the skills or something, she knows ls and halt |
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| 11:59.40 | cantido | rozie: oh and that sudo makes it do stuff it doesnt normally do |
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| 12:01.09 | fxiny | gstreamer0.10-plugins-good security fix error -> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor --> http://paste.debian.net/42120/ |
| 12:01.17 | rozie | well. my girlfriend doesn't have access to my sessions if uses my laptop. separate user does the trick... |
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| 12:01.41 | cantido | actually, it's there a module that handles the soft power off? |
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| 12:01.54 | boonyo | acpi? |
| 12:02.02 | Akufen | anyone familiar with foremost? I'm trying to recover a php file, and while it does find it, for some reason it cuts off too early (size is not the problem, nor is the footer) |
| 12:02.41 | cantido | boonyo: disabling acpi totally might be an issue, but if I can disable the soft power off, the machine will just sit at the end of a halt and the remote ctrl-alt-del should restart it |
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| 12:03.10 | boonyo | nvm me, i joined in halfway so i got no idea what yous are talking about. |
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| 12:04.16 | g00se | cantido: I can remember hacking the xfce4 source to stop the other half shutting down, which probably wasn't necessary |
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| 12:05.26 | rozie | cantido: and yes, WOL should be best solution - you will be able always to power on mashine... |
| 12:05.45 | OpenTokix | Why do you let your others halfs use your computers? |
| 12:05.57 | cantido | OpenTokix: under the thumb |
| 12:05.57 | Akufen | they need cleaning too :D |
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| 12:06.15 | OpenTokix | cantido: haha |
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| 12:06.25 | abrotman | fxiny: happened on more than one box ?> |
| 12:06.28 | OpenTokix | I gave mine her own computer |
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| 12:07.08 | fxiny | abrotman: only this one , i'll check another one in 5 minutes |
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| 12:08.14 | abrotman | fxiny: if it happens again, maybe tell the debian-security list ? |
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| 12:09.43 | fxiny | abrotman: i'll tell you for sure ,i'll do it in a sec , booting ... |
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| 12:11.28 | zamuro | That gotta be a security breach, for sure |
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| 12:13.23 | dfg | hi |
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| 12:13.43 | dfg | do you know if it exist active directory on linux ? |
| 12:14.08 | fxiny | abrotman: no errors , i'll paste again |
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| 12:14.16 | abrotman | dfg: samba + ldap i think is what you want .. see #samba |
| 12:15.13 | themill | fxiny: no problems installing that package here |
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| 12:16.51 | fxiny | abrotman themill : no errors on this box -> http://paste.debian.net/42121/ |
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| 12:18.33 | themill | !dbugs 351174 |
| 12:18.37 | dpkg | #351174:N[apt] debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor (); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:48:27 UTC [] |
| 12:18.38 | themill | fxiny: ^^ |
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| 12:19.03 | fxiny | themill: ok |
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| 12:21.45 | fxiny | themill: i'm reading , i've never seen it before |
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| 12:22.16 | themill | fxiny: does installing other packages still work? (you don't have a full disk or something do you?) |
| 12:23.24 | fxiny | themill: nope , i've checked that |
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| 12:23.46 | fxiny | themill: andf both /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf are the same |
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| 12:25.28 | SHINSAKU | Is there any possiblity to "inform" apt-get that I want to upgrade only PHP5 packages from " http://packages.dotdeb.org " ? using Lenny |
| 12:26.16 | dbguy | SHINSAKU: add it to the /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get install php5 |
| 12:26.36 | cantido | SHINSAKU: word of warning, if you're thinking of upgrading to 5.2.10 don't do it yet |
| 12:26.53 | dbguy | cantido: why not? I'm also interested |
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| 12:27.19 | cantido | dbguy: suhosin is totally broken |
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| 12:27.38 | dbguy | ah, we don't use suhosin so it's not that big of a problem.. |
| 12:27.41 | dbguy | anything else? |
| 12:27.47 | themill | SHINSAKU: dotdeb packages tend to be very problematic in the long run |
| 12:27.54 | cantido | dbguy: debian builds use suhosin ;) |
| 12:28.16 | dbguy | yes, but not the builds I use :) I just needed to know generally what's so bad about it |
| 12:28.21 | fxiny | themill: i can install new packages no porbs --> 6d091000a4edb70d2c979cfd56529357 /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-good_0.10.8-4.1~lenny2_i386.deb |
| 12:28.54 | SHINSAKU | ok i got it thanks guys |
| 12:29.56 | cantido | dbguy: if you don't use suhosin it seems to be ok, I wouldn't use it in production for a little while though |
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| 12:30.19 | dbguy | O.K. |
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| 12:36.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 12:37.14 | boonyo | rudi_s, what would be the easiest way to setup an encrypted system that way? leave /boot unencrypted, then create encrypted logical partitions? or is it possible to create one large encrpyted partition and then within that large partiton split it up inside? |
| 12:37.44 | fxiny | abrotman themill : no errors reinstalling --> http://paste.debian.net/42123/ |
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| 12:38.02 | rudi_s | boonyo: Yes, /boot unencrypted, big encrypted lvm with the partitions you want. |
| 12:38.08 | themill | fxiny: how random :( |
| 12:38.09 | fxiny | i think is a evil ghost bug :P |
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| 12:50.19 | mosgreg | hmm I have been trying to install debian on a external usb hdd. the net installer for lenny did everysthign for far well. I install grub to the device /dev/sdc (which was the device at the installtion). now when I try to boot the device , grub appear at first .. loading stage 1.5 ... then I get a error 21. end |
| 12:50.31 | boonyo | rudi_s, i'm confused. what i've done is created a primary /boot thats unencrypted. i've tried to create a primary lvm that covers the rest of the free space, but am unsure as to how to configure partitions within that lvm |
| 12:50.41 | mosgreg | and I am quite sure I did the same some time ago with an usb stick and it worked |
| 12:51.28 | rudi_s | boonyo: Create a encrypted second partition and then configure the partitions you want in there. |
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| 12:56.48 | deco | downloaded firefox from the official site and created my own launcher and menu entry and removed iceweasel :P just curious do a lot of debian users do this ? |
| 12:57.23 | fxiny | why removing iceweasel ? |
| 12:57.25 | glebelg | why? |
| 12:57.53 | deco | i have to always my latest firefox :p with branding |
| 12:57.56 | themill | deco: since there's not really any point, no |
| 12:57.58 | deco | have my* |
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| 12:58.39 | deco | fxiny: why use icewweasel when you can have the real thing ? |
| 12:58.42 | runa_ | hi i have this problem with wicd: http://pastebin.com/m7a6850f8 |
| 12:58.45 | runa_ | any idea? |
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| 12:59.32 | deco | runa_: do you have networkmanager installed ? |
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| 12:59.51 | runa_ | no i have wicd |
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| 13:01.11 | fxiny | deco: real ? i've checked 3.5 on my old box . it performs like official iceweasel . but you asking me why , i can tell you my own reason : as a debian user i would like google "redirecting" my clicks "somehow" to the debian project instead of mozilla.org . |
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| 13:02.10 | boonyo | rudi_s, omg wow... the "configure encrypted volumes" is at the top the the menu... I thought it hadnt changed and was wondering why things were confusing... man |
| 13:02.52 | rudi_s | boonyo: It's a bit confusing .. but after you get used to it it works quite well ;-) |
| 13:02.54 | runa_ | any idea deco? |
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| 13:09.01 | boonyo | thanks for your help. |
| 13:10.27 | boonyo | is it possible to have a disk setup with two partitions, one which contains the actual operating system, and the other (at the end of the drive) which contains backup images of the first partition which contains the OS? |
| 13:11.20 | SQlvpapir | sure, why not |
| 13:11.36 | fxiny | your home partition can hold your backups |
| 13:12.00 | SQlvpapir | but you would have to unmount (or mount read-only) the os partition if you wish to have actually "frozen states" of it |
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| 13:12.20 | boonyo | yeah, but my system will be encrypted so if there's any issue i want to be able to restore the system as a whole |
| 13:12.35 | deco | is the Dotdeb repo used to get uptodate apache mysql php etc.. ? |
| 13:12.37 | boonyo | yeah, i'll be using clonezilla to make things easier |
| 13:12.47 | asg | deco: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:12.51 | fxiny | boonyo: encrypoted ? i backup my LUKS system with dd or dump |
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| 13:13.25 | boonyo | fxiny, yeah clonezilla has a dd option for backups which i've used on my bsd machine that works fine |
| 13:13.27 | MrWax | i noticed that after certain time my date/time in debian isn't correct anymore, the timezone i meean, any clue where this is caused by? |
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| 13:13.34 | fxiny | dump is not dumb like dd , much smaller backups files |
| 13:13.39 | MrWax | this happened to me on various debian systems |
| 13:14.25 | fxiny | boonyo: on my regular systems i use partimage |
| 13:14.25 | boonyo | fxiny, would it make much difference, seeing as its the whole system that i'll be backing up and not a portion of it? |
| 13:14.45 | fxiny | a portion ? |
| 13:14.48 | abrotman | MrWax: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
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| 13:15.35 | diddy | What does the command pdir do? It is not installed on my system. |
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| 13:16.23 | boonyo | fxiny, well what I plan to do is, a 320G hd seems to be an overkill just for a firewall. so I'll create a smaller OS partitoin, and a larger backup partition. the OS partition will be encrypted, basically a vanila image with things configured and setup. that will be backed up as a whole, in one big image which will be quite big. my last images were in the range of 20+G |
| 13:16.26 | MrWax | tx abrotman |
| 13:16.47 | MrWax | abrotman: UTC is on yes |
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| 13:17.02 | boonyo | I wonder if thats a smart way to go abou tit |
| 13:17.02 | abrotman | is that what you want ? |
| 13:17.09 | MrWax | abrotman: i'm in GMT +1 |
| 13:17.15 | dbguy | excuse my ignorance, boonyo, but what good is an encrypted hard disk on a firewall? |
| 13:17.24 | abrotman | oh, so you want it to be local time .. so you want that set to no |
| 13:17.38 | MrWax | correct |
| 13:17.39 | MrWax | done |
| 13:17.41 | dbguy | If anyone gets access to the firewall (via an exploit or anything), they encrypted hard drive won't stop them. It would only stop physical attacks |
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| 13:17.46 | boonyo | dbguy, *shrugs* I do it with all my hard drives, its just a habit |
| 13:17.53 | dbguy | I see.. |
| 13:18.10 | boonyo | dbguy, I know all this |
| 13:18.14 | dbguy | Do you use loop-aes or dm-crypt? |
| 13:18.45 | dbguy | I'm setting up a loop-aes install on a new laptop, well atm dry-testing the process in a VM but.. |
| 13:18.46 | boonyo | i'm thinking of using dm-crypt. mainly to use other algorithms, although not sure if loop-aes is aes only |
| 13:18.52 | MrWax | abrotman: when does it change? |
| 13:18.53 | fxiny | boonyo: i'm using a LUKS system since etch , i did aptitude upgrade it succesfully to lenny . mine is a cloned encrypted sustem . that's how i started it : by setting the encryption layer up and by cloning it over |
| 13:19.16 | dbguy | loop-aes is AES only, yes boonyo. But it seems to perform much better in many benchmarks and use less cpu |
| 13:19.23 | abrotman | MrWax: when daylight savings time kicked in? your system was probably set ilke that before, and you didn't notice ? |
| 13:19.57 | MrWax | i guess |
| 13:20.28 | boonyo | fxiny, i dont understand what you mean by a cloned encrypted system |
| 13:20.43 | dbguy | raid1? |
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| 13:22.55 | fxiny | boonyo: i had my runinng system and i did not feel to start a new install again , so i just put a lateral thinking hat on and i've cloned it , including all *settings* :) . the very last debian-administration.org tutorial is similar to my approach |
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| 13:23.46 | fxiny | boonyo: is still the last : http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 13:23.58 | boonyo | fxiny, thats basically what I'm planning to do. Get it all encrpyed, configured, hardened, up and running... then clone it, save myself a whole day if things go pear shape and just image the clone over |
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| 13:24.25 | boonyo | it gets tiring constantly configuring the same things over and over |
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| 13:25.29 | boonyo | how big are your cloned images? |
| 13:26.02 | fxiny | boonyo: i'll tell you in a minute |
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| 13:34.40 | fxiny | boonyo: mine is : boot (99MB ext2) / (3.5G) /home (28G) and swap , one pass only at boot , i back up only boot and / . a / dd compressed file is 2.8G , same / but with a dump compressed file is 674MB |
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| 13:36.37 | halt | how much is Debian's SID useable? |
| 13:36.47 | halt | anyone here using it? |
| 13:36.52 | boonyo | does dump use gz compression or something? how is your system setup, are all the partitions and swap encrypted individually or all under a lvm? |
| 13:37.27 | rudi_s | !tell halt about sid |
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| 13:38.07 | boonyo | i'm still trying to get my head around the concept of lvm, iirc it's basically the same as slices on bsd |
| 13:39.19 | fxiny | boonyo: no lvm . encrypted partitions |
| 13:39.41 | boonyo | is swap itself encrypted? |
| 13:39.51 | fxiny | yes |
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| 13:40.19 | fxiny | iirc bsd slices are not like lvm |
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| 13:40.58 | boonyo | how did you set the encrypted swap up? encrypted it after installing the system or during installation? |
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| 13:43.56 | fxiny | boonyo: i've cloned a regular system over encrypted partitions , swap ? instead of mkfs.ext3 : mkswap /dev/mapper/swap and then : swapon /dev/mapper/swap |
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| 13:44.36 | bahatpc | Recently, any new kernel I compile hangs immediately just before the "Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF..." stage. This appears to be an issue with my system because compiling with a known working config fails too. Does anybody have an idea what the source of this problem could be? |
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| 13:47.32 | fxiny | boonyo: is easy , take for example a home in hdb8 . commands are : # cryptsetup -y -s 256 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 luksFormat /dev/hdb8 ; # cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hdb8 home ; mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/home . now you can mount it on a mountpoint and clone your /home over it |
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| 13:48.36 | diddy | What is meant by this question http://pastebin.ca/1500085 ??? Could anybody explain this? |
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| 13:49.12 | abrotman | diddy: why are we doing your homework for you ? |
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| 13:49.39 | diddy | abrotman, I don't have homework. |
| 13:49.52 | abrotman | man xterm .. find hte fg switch |
| 13:49.56 | fxiny | boonyo: but , some details : sanitize it firts , and after that edit your cryptab and fstab , create your keyes . make sure your initram points to the right new /boot , all info are at debian-administration.org , iirc there are three tutorials |
| 13:50.19 | fxiny | boonyo: is a nice game |
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| 13:51.15 | diddy | abrotman, Thx. |
| 13:51.17 | boonyo | fxiny a nice game? |
| 13:51.31 | fxiny | boonyo: yes , rewarding |
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| 13:52.03 | boonyo | fxiny, ah. yes. i might forgo the use of the HDD as 320 is just way too big. although i'm having probs installing deban to a sdhc card... |
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| 13:52.59 | fxiny | boonyo: in debian LUKS system performances are very good , it works like a charm , it can be dist-upgraded , what's more ? |
| 13:53.08 | fxiny | in a * |
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| 13:53.31 | fxiny | boonyo: and, the debian installer can do it for you |
| 13:53.53 | fxiny | much better then wasting resources on eyecandy |
| 13:54.02 | fxiny | hides |
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| 13:54.34 | boonyo | fxiny, have you ever installed debian to a sdhc card? |
| 13:54.43 | fxiny | boonyo: nope |
| 13:55.18 | fxiny | boonyo: i played with freebsd 4 , i do not even think to move my a* from debian |
| 13:56.04 | fxiny | boonyo: i vaguely remember bsd slices |
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| 13:56.32 | fxiny | but i still use wheel ;) |
| 13:56.35 | jamesstanley | Is there any way to install xen-utils without installing xen-hypervisor-*? |
| 13:56.48 | boonyo | fxiny i understand that, i love the package system of debian. i don't know why, but i always seem to go back to freebsd for some reason, the only reason i'm comig back to debian is because freebsd has wonderful (not) support for usb hdspa modems |
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| 13:57.05 | boonyo | fxiny, but thanks for that website, i think i might use that in setting my encrpyed system up |
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| 13:57.23 | fxiny | boonyo: oh is a great site |
| 13:58.23 | fxiny | boonyo: you know what i liked best in freebsd ? docs |
| 13:58.29 | fxiny | nothing else |
| 13:58.49 | fxiny | because i always wanted to be a debian user |
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| 13:59.35 | boonyo | i understand that, the freebsd docs are quite nice. *shrugs* its a hard thing to explain |
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| 14:00.55 | fxiny | boonyo: they are "maps" more then being docs , installing a freebsd system is like walking on a strange island with a map |
| 14:01.10 | fxiny | debian is more logic |
| 14:01.51 | boonyo | hehe. i understand how you feel that installing debian is more logical and easier for you, but for me installing freebsd is a lot easier.. partly because i've just done it so many times and used to it |
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| 14:02.38 | cantido | boonyo: what about debian/kFreeBSD? |
| 14:02.54 | DeSian | how can i to install complete desktop einv without some package? install ... without ...? is that possible with aptitude ? |
| 14:02.56 | boonyo | cantido never tried it to be honest |
| 14:03.20 | boonyo | cantido, have you? i haven't read much about other ppls experiences either thogh i would be very interested |
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| 14:03.57 | cantido | not tried it, it seems to be somewhat supported though,.. like packages.debian.org is keeping track of what packages it has |
| 14:04.50 | fxiny | boonyo: i had a potato cd at that time , could not manage to install it . i tryed redhat and i di not likle it at all , freebsd was ok , but then woody came ... :) |
| 14:04.56 | DeSian | found it thanx |
| 14:04.59 | DeSian | ;) |
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| 14:06.21 | boonyo | potato, wow that was long ago! i even remember coming on here when they had a discussion about creating a name for the support group for potato, "mash" mobile array of system helpers, lol. it was even on slashdot |
| 14:06.35 | boonyo | that brings back memories |
| 14:06.44 | fxiny | good memories |
| 14:07.28 | boonyo | i think the thing i couldn't live without is apt in debian |
| 14:07.47 | dbguy1 | that's what makes debian debian :| |
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| 14:08.37 | rgr | if you compile something like dovecot locally, is it *normal* for them to use the local config (in /usr/local/lib/dovecot) file too or do they still look in /etc/dovecot for the config files? |
| 14:08.41 | jez | How can I set up an identd server on port 113 on CentOS? |
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| 14:09.05 | asg | jez: ask #redhat |
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| 14:09.46 | asg | rgr: generally it is normal for configs to go in /usr/local (either etc/ or lib/foo depending on how the autoconf tools were configured) |
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| 14:12.43 | rgr | if I install locally something like dovecot will the /etc/init.d/dovecot pick up the local biary usually or do I need to reconfigure something? |
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| 14:13.08 | cantido | rgr: Why are you building dovecot in the first place? |
| 14:13.16 | rgr | because I need to. |
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| 14:16.23 | cantido | rgr: if you only need to make a small change to the config options or something, just build a local deb |
| 14:16.55 | Warzac` | hello all |
| 14:16.58 | Warzac` | french here ? |
| 14:16.59 | rgr | I dont. I need to install from source. The debian package does not include the plugins. |
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| 14:17.22 | rgr | e.g fts_squat |
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| 14:19.02 | Dominicus | Has anyone here ever been able to get Text To Speech to work inside of Wine, for windows applications. If so, how? |
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| 14:19.38 | cantido | rgr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519299, you need a backport |
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| 14:20.05 | rgr | cantido: can you advise how I do that quickly? |
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| 14:22.55 | izua | goddamn fucking RDS crappy ISP |
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| 14:23.11 | izua | so they started adding their ads in between my www traffic |
| 14:23.27 | izua | i did a quick sniff, and it's no redirect or anything fishy, it's raw overwritten traffic |
| 14:23.37 | izua | i call the blond service support |
| 14:23.45 | joltcan | izua: Thats bad. Get a vpn and a proxy |
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| 14:23.52 | joltcan | or maybe just change ISP |
| 14:23.54 | izua | and they tell me to increase internet explorer security level |
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| 14:24.08 | izua | joltcan: unfortunately, there is no other isp, except gsm carriers |
| 14:24.28 | izua | RDS has taken over any other hood ISP or minor node |
| 14:25.06 | rgr | cantido: I cant find a backport. Where do I look? Maybe googling dovecot backport is not sufficient? |
| 14:25.12 | cantido | rgr: um, I think there is a simple backport howto |
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| 14:26.19 | rgr | I see etch backport instructions, but no generic one. Do I add a "lenny-backports" line to my sources.list? |
| 14:27.33 | themill | judd versions dovecot-common |
| 14:27.34 | judd | themill: dovecot-common -- etch: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-security: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-backports: 1:1.0.15-2.3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3 lenny-backports: 1:1.1.13-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:1.1.16-1 sid: 1:1.2.1-2 |
| 14:27.39 | themill | rgr: see backports.org |
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| 14:50.19 | digitalj | I've got a really weird bug with KDE 4.2 :\ |
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| 14:50.40 | digitalj | I just did a fresh install of lenny, did a dist-upgrade to testing, installed kde-minimal |
| 14:50.51 | digitalj | When I try to login I'm presented with a settings wizard |
| 14:51.11 | digitalj | When I go through that, the KDE splash loading screen comes up and a few icons come up, then I am once again brought to the login screen |
| 14:51.14 | digitalj | It does this over and over |
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| 14:52.56 | digitalj | Hmm, it only appears to happen when I choose to bypass backing up KDE3 settings and go with default KDE settings, even though I had no KDE3 previously |
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| 15:07.56 | g00se | http://pastebin.com/f751ccd36 |
| 15:08.00 | g00se | What would the problem be with key conf perms here? They're 0600 |
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| 15:11.11 | dampjam | Hey - I'm trying to install python3.1 from experimental but it looks like libsqlite is broken, 3.1 is set to require 3.6.14.2 but only 3.5.9-6 is available..... should I just -f it or does anybody know another good libsqlite source? |
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| 15:18.31 | themill | dampjam: what release of debian are you running? |
| 15:19.10 | dampjam | I'm running stable but added experimental to sources.list so that I can grab python3.1. |
| 15:19.28 | octane- | g00se: are they? you're sudoing, they shouldn |
| 15:21.14 | themill | dampjam: that's never going to work out well. experimental is compiled against unstable. /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 15:22.10 | dampjam | Well that is unfortunate... I like stable, just need python3.1. |
| 15:22.22 | macrobat | how do i remove a pkg i installed as a .deb file? |
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| 15:22.58 | themill | dampjam: "need"? You could make a sid chroot and install python3.1 into the chroot if you want to have a play with it |
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| 15:27.03 | g00se | ocatane-: -rw------- 1 goose goose 9154 2009-07-06 14:14 /home/goose/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | macrobat: man dpkg |
| 15:27.44 | td123 | does anyone know what I should use to mirror a debian based repo? debmirror or apt-mirror? do any of those support checking file integrity so that the local repo wont have any issues? |
| 15:27.45 | valdyn | macrobat: with aptitude |
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| 15:30.21 | macrobat | ty valdyn, just what i needed |
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| 15:33.22 | g00se | ocatane-: OK. So you mean apt-get source shouldn't be run as root? |
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| 15:35.40 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! what the hell does it take to read chinese filenames off a vfat hard drive? winblows XPee reads it just fine....I've tried changing the codepage and it is no help |
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| 15:35.56 | WormFood | I tried setting the iocharset but can't even get that to accept the command |
| 15:36.34 | WormFood | this fuckin' shit is literally giving me a headache! I've googled my ass off, and I've run out of ideas, other that dropping it in a winblows XPee machine |
| 15:36.34 | themill | watches WormFood make everyone want to ignore him. Again. |
| 15:36.42 | valdyn | WormFood: why cant you change the iocharset? |
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| 15:38.29 | valdyn | WormFood: the manpage clearly sais that codepage is for FAT short names and iocharset for the long names |
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| 15:40.50 | WormFood | valdyn, then what is the iocharset for chinese? |
| 15:41.33 | ajavid | themill, chill |
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| 15:41.44 | ajavid | you don't speak for everyone |
| 15:42.00 | valdyn | WormFood: no idea, theres probably a few, best you read the windows documentation |
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| 15:42.05 | valdyn | WormFood: or guess |
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| 15:42.25 | ajavid | the guys is frustrated becasue of his problem and you saying what you did is more than likely not going to help him in any way. Should be more like, hey man, relax, take a deep breath, calm down, its just a computer man, it will be alright |
| 15:42.31 | itrebal | Where does Couier store it's error logs? |
| 15:42.32 | ajavid | c'mon themill you know you're better than that |
| 15:42.40 | ajavid | :) |
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| 15:43.03 | abrotman | itrebal: /var/log/ ... probably mail.log |
| 15:43.16 | WormFood | valdyn, I don't know why I can't change the charset...I must not have found the right format they want (you'd think the codepage would be "cp936", but they want just '936') |
| 15:43.26 | itrebal | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:43.32 | abrotman | itrebal: or mail.err |
| 15:43.42 | WormFood | for some reason I'm lagged to hell tonight |
| 15:43.45 | valdyn | WormFood: iso8859-1 is a charset, its not a codepage |
| 15:43.51 | WormFood | I know |
| 15:43.54 | valdyn | WormFood: 936 is a codepage, not a charset |
| 15:44.17 | WormFood | my point was the mount option wants "936", not "cp936" like it is in ALL the documentation |
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| 15:44.29 | valdyn | WormFood: except for the manpage |
| 15:44.36 | WormFood | I haven't figured out the right format or something that it wants for the iocharset |
| 15:44.53 | valdyn | iso8859-1 is right, utf8 is right |
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| 15:45.07 | WormFood | I was trying "utf-8" |
| 15:45.20 | ajavid | so vfat doesn't support utf8 |
| 15:45.27 | ajavid | I'd figure utf8 can show chinese? |
| 15:45.44 | WormFood | I'm thinking what I'm running does not support chinese |
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| 15:46.01 | WormFood | I'll drop a spare hard drive in, and install debian on that, and try it again |
| 15:46.08 | valdyn | WormFood: you to be using a utf8 locale |
| 15:46.10 | azeem_ | eh, what are you runnning? |
| 15:46.13 | valdyn | WormFood: you need to be using a utf8 locale |
| 15:46.23 | WormFood | thanks for your help valdyn |
| 15:46.28 | valdyn | WormFood: and you need to have the proper fonts installed, obviously |
| 15:46.45 | WormFood | yeah, I booted into X, and clearly chinese fonts are not enabled |
| 15:46.47 | Gnurdux | why is firefox 3.5 still experimental? |
| 15:46.54 | WormFood | I go to a web page, and just squares |
| 15:46.56 | ajavid | because... |
| 15:47.09 | valdyn | WormFood: mount -t vfat -o codepage=936,iocharset=cp936 /dev/hda1 /mnt/c |
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| 15:47.13 | valdyn | WormFood: thats just an example i found |
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| 15:47.23 | WormFood | interesting |
| 15:47.26 | WormFood | let me give it a shot |
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| 15:48.14 | valdyn | WormFood: and see if you can have chinese characters in your terminal at all |
| 15:48.29 | WormFood | I'm rather doubting they are in console |
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| 15:48.40 | WormFood | but, I don't need to see them, I just need to be able to read them correctly |
| 15:48.53 | valdyn | WormFood: umm |
| 15:48.59 | \amethyst | Gnurdux: well, for one thing it's only been built for three architectures |
| 15:49.04 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 15:49.21 | \amethyst | Gnurdux: and 3.5.1 for only one |
| 15:50.11 | elenril | wonders why are hal conf files in /usr/share/hal overriding ones in /etc/hal |
| 15:50.47 | elenril | this isn't supposed to happen, right? |
| 15:50.49 | WormFood | this is freaky....I remount it using iocharset=cp936...it executed the command with no errors, but now when I type fast, it misses every other character for a few seconds, and when I look at mount, it does not show the iocharset being changed |
| 15:51.42 | WormFood | anyways, thanks for your help, I'm gonna give up on this avenue and just install debian on the hard drive in the machine, with the chinese fonts, then i'll have the hard drive to do this type of shit in the future, and have to deal with it again. |
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| 15:54.43 | hugo_ | i'm having serious problem on lenny. i use os x as my client and i do ssh from os x to lenny every day. but there's a big problem. i can't use my meta key there |
| 15:55.05 | hugo_ | anyone having the same problem? how can i fix this? |
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| 15:55.22 | hugo_ | i use meta a lot. in bash and emacs |
| 15:55.40 | hugo_ | meta is the essential for everything i use |
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| 15:56.41 | octane- | hugo_: there is a preference to map option (alt) to meta in terminal.app. |
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| 15:57.28 | azeem_ | hugo_: sounds like an OS X issue, rather |
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| 15:59.02 | g00se | Is there an equivalent for apt-get source in aptitude? |
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| 15:59.52 | hugo_ | octane-: isn't option a bit far to use meta? |
| 16:00.04 | hugo_ | octane-: command would be nice alternative |
| 16:00.05 | \amethyst | g00se: no, aptitude doesn't download source packages at all |
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| 16:00.16 | hugo_ | azeem_: maybe |
| 16:00.28 | \amethyst | g00se: that's the one thing you need apt-get for :) |
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| 16:00.43 | \amethyst | g00se: (esp. now that aptitude support build-dep) |
| 16:01.01 | klbate | There really should be an aptitude source command. |
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| 16:01.17 | abrotman | klbate: patches welcome |
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| 16:01.20 | g00se | \amethyst: Thanks |
| 16:01.49 | themill | klbate: send patches... :) |
| 16:02.05 | \amethyst | there are all kinds of bug reports asking for the same thing |
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| 16:02.32 | themill | there's no advantage for using aptitude over apt-get just to download a source package though |
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| 16:03.01 | abrotman | themill: that would depend how they implement it? |
| 16:03.23 | \amethyst | dburrows said "> I'm not sure what the benefit of "aptitude source blah" instead of |
| 16:03.26 | \amethyst | > "apt-get source blah" would be. |
| 16:03.31 | \amethyst | in # 468897 |
| 16:03.34 | themill | if there were differences, there would be much screaming |
| 16:03.50 | \amethyst | you could just call apt-get source <args> |
| 16:03.51 | \amethyst | :) |
| 16:03.54 | octane- | hugo_: how do you plan on activating the shortcuts in terminal.app (or globally) with command being bound to remote-keybinds? |
| 16:04.42 | themill | abrotman: there are benefits for using aptitude for handling binary packages because aptitude is smarter etc. But there's nothing to do with aptitude other than download the source package and unpack it.... dependency analysis, auto remove etc are irrelevant |
| 16:04.46 | g00se | I like consistency - and i use aptitude ;-) |
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| 16:05.14 | abrotman | themill: what if it would clean up the build-dep stuff? |
| 16:05.39 | hugo_ | octane-: i don't need any fancy shortcuts. just need sane bash/emacs |
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| 16:06.55 | themill | abrotman: apt-get source should be run as non-root, apt{-get,itude} build-dep has to be run as root. That's going to be fun... |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | i don't make the rules! |
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| 16:08.06 | rozie | themill: fakeroot ain't enough? |
| 16:08.38 | \amethyst | rozie: build-dep is for installing packages; you need real root for that, not just fakeroot |
| 16:10.43 | inckie_ | if i wan't an encrypted filesystem. Can i use the Encrypted LVM guide in the installer? |
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| 16:11.06 | rozie | well, there is apt-build which makes everything IIRC |
| 16:11.14 | rozie | and can be run as root |
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| 16:12.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get source _should_ be run as non-root? |
| 16:13.00 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
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| 16:13.30 | themill | The source will be owned as root if you run it as root which will then stop you from building it as non-root |
| 16:13.35 | hugo_ | windows might be better client than os x |
| 16:14.18 | rudi_s_ | inckie_: Sure. |
| 16:14.56 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: Just use alt as meta as suggested and os x works fine. |
| 16:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess so |
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| 16:16.11 | hugo_ | rudi_s_: can i make it command key? and how about iterm? |
| 16:16.38 | hugo_ | rudi_s_: i think putty in windows is superior term |
| 16:16.54 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: Command key? Do you mean the apple key? I think that isn't possible. |
| 16:17.02 | Padhu | Is it available of debian live cd with fluxbox DE? |
| 16:17.20 | rudi_s_ | Then try the X11 xterm, it's pretty good (better then apple's). |
| 16:17.33 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: It works in iterm too, just look for the setting. |
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| 16:19.39 | hugo_ | rudi_s_: yes, aka apple key. it's put on better place than option |
| 16:20.12 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: AFAIK it's not possible to is it as meta. |
| 16:20.31 | hugo_ | rudi_s_: oh my it's painful :( |
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| 16:21.18 | hugo_ | time to throw away mac for windows or debian |
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| 16:23.05 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: Debian of course ;-) |
| 16:23.19 | fxiny | Padhu: iirc grml |
| 16:23.33 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: Running Debian on Mac hardware works fine (for me). |
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| 16:24.37 | Padhu | fxiny: what? |
| 16:24.50 | gigo | anyone here uses Firefox 3.5 with Debian 64-bit? I got the binary from http://getfirefox.com/ When I try to run ./firefox, I get messages like these: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 16:25.06 | hugo_ | rudi_s_: i'm not confident that i could be happy with 'everything is linux' approach |
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| 16:25.11 | abrotman | gigo: Debian doesn't distribute firefox |
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| 16:25.39 | gigo | abrotman, yes, I am asking help from people who have tried running the original Firefox on Debian. Is this a bad place to ask this? |
| 16:25.42 | fxiny | Padhu: check grml |
| 16:25.46 | rudi_s_ | hugo_: Well, dual botting works fine too. |
| 16:25.49 | exn | guys. how I can change system time only for program I running ? |
| 16:26.18 | abrotman | gigo: given that people here are probably running iceweasel ... |
| 16:26.24 | gigo | ok |
| 16:26.26 | abrotman | gigo: there are IW3.5 packages availab |
| 16:26.27 | abrotman | e |
| 16:26.29 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 16:26.35 | magnuX | #debian-ve |
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| 16:27.14 | gigo | abrotman, I checked http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel/ the version information is not given here. How did you know 3.5 is available? |
| 16:27.19 | gigo | I am using Squeeze by the way. |
| 16:27.27 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 16:27.28 | judd | abrotman: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 experimental: 3.5-1 |
| 16:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 16:27.29 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 experimental: 3.5-1 |
| 16:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 16:27.35 | abrotman | yay experimental! |
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| 16:28.05 | abrotman | gigo: though if you try to use those, you'll need at least one package from sid |
| 16:28.06 | gigo | where does judd get the information from? and why isn't the same information not available in packages.debian.org/iceweasel/ ? |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | gigo: pdo lists that same version as available |
| 16:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'apt-cache madison package' can show you what is available in the repros YOU have in your sources.list |
| 16:29.12 | gigo | abrotman, ok |
| 16:29.19 | fxiny | madison ? |
| 16:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | thats what I typed |
| 16:30.00 | fxiny | i didn't know it |
| 16:30.13 | abrotman | still only works if you have that repo enabled |
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| 16:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, we live and learn |
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| 16:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | some of us even do it the other way around... |
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| 16:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... would be nice if you could configure that to show more repros than you have enabled |
| 16:31.46 | fxiny | i prefere policy |
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| 16:32.31 | fxiny | bu madison shows sources ... |
| 16:32.36 | fxiny | but* |
| 16:33.38 | azeem_ | is there a way (e.g. env variable) to force software rendering when using the nvidia driver? |
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| 16:36.05 | valdyn | azeem_: that would require nvidia drivers to do software rendering |
| 16:36.25 | valdyn | azeem_: and that would require nvidia to have implemented that part in their "driver" |
| 16:36.38 | azeem_ | k |
| 16:36.43 | maligor | azeem_, you should try asking on #nvidia |
| 16:37.05 | valdyn | azeem_: i dont think it makes sense that nvidia had implemented that, but i dont actually know |
| 16:37.22 | maligor | they've had card emulations (dunno if they have anymore) at some point |
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| 16:40.25 | pipeline | azeem_: There's no reason that mesa glx shouldn't work with the nvidia driver |
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| 16:40.37 | pipeline | azeem_: just uninstall the nvidia openGL libs |
| 16:40.57 | azeem_ | that makes the app crash |
| 16:41.00 | pipeline | oh, too bad |
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| 16:41.09 | azeem_ | but never mind, it's not too important |
| 16:42.05 | azeem_ | ah, GL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 seems to work indeed |
| 16:42.12 | azeem_ | at least glxinfo reports indirect rendering |
| 16:42.30 | maligor | indirect isn't software |
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| 16:42.53 | maligor | indirect means it passes opengl through the x11 protocol |
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| 16:44.01 | Padhu | #fedora-classroom |
| 16:44.25 | fxiny | can't belive it |
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| 16:45.14 | Padhu_1 | sorry. X-chat command wrongly messaged |
| 16:45.42 | fxiny | is just the classroom ... |
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| 16:46.10 | fxiny | debian-arm sounds much better :P |
| 16:46.22 | Padhu | fxiny: what is grml? |
| 16:46.44 | fxiny | a live cd |
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| 16:47.15 | Padhu | oh. thats good. I will try it. |
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| 16:47.21 | adb | dpkg: tell Padhu about grml |
| 16:48.06 | fxiny | Padhu: weren't you looking for a debian based live cd with fluxbox ? |
| 16:49.02 | flami | hello, do I need to set scripts in cron.d +x to make so they get used? |
| 16:49.32 | dutchfish | flami, no |
| 16:50.03 | dutchfish | flami, you can see them as just config files being picked by cron |
| 16:50.26 | flami | I see |
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| 16:52.50 | valdyn | azeem_: its probably software rendered |
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| 17:09.07 | phlux | How can I take several .sql files and incorporate them into MySQL? |
| 17:09.10 | Dutchy_ | hey guys, i just set up a raid5 with lvm using an expert netinst |
| 17:09.18 | Dutchy_ | and trying to format it to ext4 fails |
| 17:09.24 | Dutchy_ | The ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of LVM VG dragon, LV all, failed |
| 17:09.41 | Dutchy_ | I was wondering why it could fail? i cant find any reason |
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| 17:10.39 | Dutchy_ | it's an lvm with just 1 LV |
| 17:10.46 | Dutchy_ | total size 4.4TB |
| 17:11.03 | Dutchy_ | ext4 with "largefile4" option |
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| 17:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't install lenny on ext4 |
| 17:11.34 | Dutchy_ | squeeze |
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| 17:12.25 | magnuX | is ext4 fs enough stable on squeeze? |
| 17:12.33 | Dutchy_ | the rest of the harddisks ( 4x20GB ext4 in raid1 and 4x1GB swap, both not in lvm ) worked fine |
| 17:12.38 | S2AnGeL | ext4 |
| 17:12.40 | Dutchy_ | i dont know |
| 17:13.07 | adb | ext4 needs kernel >. 28 |
| 17:13.13 | Binnisb | Can someone help me with setting /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname and apache2 |
| 17:13.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't fool me like that - there are no official install CD isos for squeeze |
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| 17:13.35 | Binnisb | to enable local useage of my domain |
| 17:13.48 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: they are |
| 17:14.04 | Binnisb | i only get error when I try to use www.example.org here on my local network |
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| 17:14.29 | linduxed | what is MS active directory, why do some people care, and most importantly, is there an debian equivalent? |
| 17:14.31 | Dutchy_ | i used http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso if that answers your question CutMeOwnThroat :P |
| 17:14.33 | Binnisb | but it works fine when I am at work |
| 17:14.42 | Dutchy_ | now all i need is some constructive help |
| 17:14.49 | linduxed | *a debian |
| 17:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, daily builds... forgot about those |
| 17:16.13 | Dutchy_ | it's for my home server, dont need anything official |
| 17:16.24 | rudi_s | phlux: mysql < file.sql |
| 17:16.26 | adb | Dutchy_: which kernel they use ? |
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| 17:16.56 | rizzler | phillips dvd-r discs are such garbage >_< |
| 17:17.00 | Dutchy_ | adb: does it matter? the textual installer/partitioner has the option to format as ext4 |
| 17:17.14 | adb | ext4 needs kernel >. 28 |
| 17:17.20 | Dutchy_ | i know that |
| 17:17.22 | Dutchy_ | 2.6.29 |
| 17:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dutchy_, try to run mkfs.ext4 from the console... |
| 17:17.27 | Dutchy_ | 2.6.29-2-amd64 |
| 17:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoping that there is mkfs.ext4 |
| 17:17.58 | Dutchy_ | it exists |
| 17:18.15 | adb | even on lenny |
| 17:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you never know what is done how on the installer cds |
| 17:18.43 | Dutchy_ | i'd prefer not to do all this partitioning from the console :s |
| 17:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least I dont... |
| 17:19.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be already partitioned from your last try, no? |
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| 17:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody said anything about partitioning, no? |
| 17:19.20 | Dutchy_ | it's totally unpartitioned |
| 17:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, then let the installer partition it |
| 17:20.11 | Dutchy_ | as in, fresh harddisks, and i just used the partioner to set up lvm on top of radi5 |
| 17:20.19 | Dutchy_ | thats what im trying |
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| 17:21.20 | kingsley | enjoys the irony of the new 'NULL pointer' exploit only working in Security-Enhanced Linux and PulseAudio installs. |
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| 17:21.45 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru of ldap??? i've a tedious problem: Enter LDAP Password: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 17:22.06 | kingsley | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/17/linux_kernel_exploit/ |
| 17:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, and you said creating ext4 failed |
| 17:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I said then do that on the console, so you'll get an error message |
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| 17:24.03 | Dutchy_ | ahh |
| 17:24.07 | Dutchy_ | alright, trying to figure out how to do that |
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| 17:25.28 | adb | in installer alt+F2 /F3 ? |
| 17:25.51 | Dutchy_ | yeah i know that :) |
| 17:26.09 | Dutchy_ | i just dont usually format lvm partitions, need some manpage reading :) |
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| 17:27.27 | adb | dpkg: tell Dutchy_ about lvm |
| 17:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dutchy_, let the installer do ext3... then just run mkfs.ext4 /your/device - everything should be in place already |
| 17:28.54 | Dutchy_ | it converts it from ext3 then? |
| 17:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just overwrites |
| 17:29.10 | adb | Dutchy_: /msg dpkg ext3->ext |
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| 17:29.25 | adb | ext4* |
| 17:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | the mkfs.something generally don't care what's already on a partition |
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| 17:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess you don't want to do the partitioning and setting up raid etc. stuff manually |
| 17:30.03 | Dutchy_ | ext3 fails too so ill try it from console |
| 17:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's *not* writing ext3 on it |
| 17:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext4* |
| 17:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you lied! |
| 17:30.34 | Binnisb | Can someone help me. I have a webserver at home and a domain name www.example.org. My site works if I am not on the LAN but from a nother computer on the LAN. I have been changing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and at one point I could ping www.example.org and got connection to server but my webpage was not show when I tried in browser. Is anyone in the mood to walk me through some steps to fix this? |
| 17:30.35 | Dutchy_ | what? |
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| 17:30.50 | Dutchy_ | when did i lie? |
| 17:31.03 | [TT]SkyRyder | is there a way to run gadmin-proftpd gui from a shell |
| 17:31.15 | abrotman | doesn't the 'g' kind of imply .. gtk ? |
| 17:31.41 | [TT]SkyRyder | yep |
| 17:31.42 | [TT]SkyRyder | lol |
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| 17:32.00 | [TT]SkyRyder | ok |
| 17:32.09 | [TT]SkyRyder | how about this how do i get fxp working on proftpd |
| 17:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dutchy_, when you said the reason was using ext4 |
| 17:32.31 | abrotman | you could actually read the proftpd docs |
| 17:32.36 | [TT]SkyRyder | i tried |
| 17:32.45 | [TT]SkyRyder | it keeps saying theres an /etc/proftpd.conf |
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| 17:32.47 | [TT]SkyRyder | and tehre isn't |
| 17:32.50 | Dutchy_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i said another partition worked fine with ext4, and this one isnt |
| 17:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that you did |
| 17:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, using ext4 here seems not to be your problem... |
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| 17:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | try some other combinations of no raid and lvm, no lvm, but raid... to see what's the problem |
| 17:34.15 | Dutchy_ | i never explicitly said so... anyway, no matter... what i get from console is |
| 17:34.15 | [TT]SkyRyder | anyone know |
| 17:34.15 | [TT]SkyRyder | \? |
| 17:34.44 | Dutchy_ | "/dev/mapper/dragon-all" is apparently in use by the system" ... but that could be because the partitioner is still running |
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| 17:37.20 | Arrowmaster | Dutchy_: are you getting this during the installer? |
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| 17:38.06 | Dutchy_ | Arrowmaster: this last error, no, using the installer i get The ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of LVM VG dragon, LV all, failed |
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| 17:39.07 | Arrowmaster | the squeeze/sid netinst was broken and i was getting errors like that with it |
| 17:40.06 | Dutchy_ | ahh |
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| 17:40.23 | Dutchy_ | is it working on a full install cd or should i skip this partition for now and configure it later (it's not my OS partition anyway) |
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| 17:41.22 | bluethundr_ | every time I put this line into pound.cf my site goes down |
| 17:41.24 | bluethundr_ | # Url "/index.jsf" |
| 17:41.45 | bluethundr_ | s/pound.cf/pound.cfg/ |
| 17:41.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont think theres a full install cd for squeeze/sid so you must be using the lenny installer, and i dont think that can do ext4 |
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| 17:42.59 | flami | Hi, Is there a way to find out if a cron script that I put into /etc/cron.d is actually executed?? I tried * * * * * root /bin/echo hello , but I dont get any email |
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| 17:43.48 | Dutchy_ | ahh, in console 4 it displays the log, there it gives the same "in use" error |
| 17:43.58 | Dutchy_ | looks pretty broken indeed |
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| 17:44.21 | g00se | Any idea approx how many packages in stable? |
| 17:44.38 | adb | > 25 000 |
| 17:45.37 | g00se | adb: Right. Wonder if there's a command to give the count |
| 17:46.34 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 17:46.45 | abrotman | though i think that's just in main |
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| 17:47.14 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59039 MB installed size, 20845 MB compressed size. |
| 17:48.16 | g00se | Ta |
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| 17:50.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I have downloaded a tarball of an application and I'd like to make a .deb of it for my own use |
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| 17:51.11 | jpinx-eeepc | I've got it extracted into /tmp/foo and I did dh_make, but it's failing to find the files it needs |
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| 17:51.23 | maligor | jpinx-eeepc, if it's a source package you can just use checkinstall |
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| 17:51.56 | _stack | hi, I'm trying to package uzbl, what is the policy in writing the package version when the program reports the git commit version? |
| 17:51.57 | jpinx-eeepc | maligor: it's a collection of files |
| 17:51.59 | _stack | stack@mta:~$ uzbl -V |
| 17:52.01 | _stack | Commit: 8289b66de28c13dab9adffd977d023ec1e1daa78 |
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| 17:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, checkinstall it is... |
| 17:52.58 | amphi | _stack: you're packaging uzbl? cool, I've been meaning to try it out |
| 17:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you have to make it first... checkinstall only runs 'make install' (or whatever you tell it to) |
| 17:53.14 | sepult | my alt keys are gone, why's that ? |
| 17:53.17 | jpinx-eeepc | is in new waters here |
| 17:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | look under the table! |
| 17:53.46 | lesnik_ | Hi. I`ve update my debian stable to testing. But my kernel is 2.6.26-2. What version is now in testing? |
| 17:53.58 | flami | 26-2 |
| 17:53.59 | azeem_ | judd: kernel versions |
| 17:54.00 | judd | azeem_: (kernel [--release <etch>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 17:54.03 | azeem_ | judd: kernel |
| 17:54.04 | judd | azeem_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-2); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 17:54.08 | _stack | amphi: if you want I made some package but I do not assume responsabilities :) |
| 17:54.42 | lesnik_ | thx |
| 17:55.01 | amphi | _stack: ;) |
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| 17:57.08 | Dutchy_ | so squeeze does have 2.6.26 :S i figured because the installcd had 29, squeeze has 29 too... i guess i was mistaken :] |
| 17:57.08 | flami | isnt cron supposed to send any output a script generated to the user the script is ran under ? |
| 17:57.29 | abrotman | Dutchy_: squeeze still has .26 |
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| 17:58.07 | flami | sooOo * * * * * root /bin/echo hello should send "hello" to root every minute? |
| 17:58.13 | iamcalledro | does anyone know where git gets installed to? If i install it with apt, I get "git: command not found" |
| 17:58.41 | jelly-home | flami: assuming your mail system is properly set up, yes |
| 17:58.52 | flami | well I can send mails to root with mutt |
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| 17:59.40 | flami | but I cant see any attempt of 127.0.0.1 to send anything to me . |
| 17:59.56 | flami | also the script lives in /etc/cron.d |
| 17:59.59 | jelly-home | flami: where are you looking? |
| 18:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | iamcalledro, "dpkg -L <package>" or possibly dpkg -L <package>|grep bin |
| 18:00.11 | flami | --/var/log/mail.log |
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| 18:00.44 | iamcalledro | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, it hasn't installed anything into a bin folder |
| 18:00.49 | jelly-home | flami: which MTA are you using? exim throws it's log somewhere like /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 18:00.55 | flami | postfix |
| 18:01.18 | flami | and as i said if I use mutt and send a mail to "root" it correctly gets delivered to me |
| 18:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | iamcalledro, what package are we talking about here? |
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| 18:01.52 | iamcalledro | CutMeOwnThroat: git |
| 18:01.55 | jelly-home | flami: you could enable cron.log in /etc/syslog.conf, see what happens with cron |
| 18:02.10 | flami | jelly-home: Ill try that |
| 18:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | iamcalledro, that's just a dummy package... git-core is it |
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| 18:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | iamcalledro, git-core: /usr/bin/git |
| 18:02.49 | iamcalledro | oh, that's better |
| 18:02.49 | iamcalledro | thank you |
| 18:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | git pulls in gnuit |
| 18:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
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| 18:03.43 | flami | jelly-home: with enable cron.log uncomment : cron.* /var/log/cron.log ? |
| 18:03.55 | flami | in /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 18:04.06 | jelly-home | flami: right, and don't forget to restart the service |
| 18:04.06 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the package was renamed recently. "git" (gnuit) is a much older project than the VCS git. |
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| 18:04.21 | jelly-home | flami: (sysklogd service) |
| 18:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell iamcalledro -about apt-file |
| 18:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | for the next time :) |
| 18:04.39 | flami | yep i now have a cron.log file |
| 18:04.51 | flami | lets see what happens in a minute |
| 18:05.00 | jelly-home | wonders why Debian doesn't rename or symlink invoke-rc.d to service |
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| 18:07.31 | flami | jelly-home: well cron is awefully quiet :P after aI restarted it , it only told me that it managed to start . I guess I gotta make it more verbose |
| 18:08.00 | iamcalledro | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm a linux newbie, eheh, thank yoi |
| 18:08.28 | iamcalledro | although i'm amazed at how easy it was to get lenny set up as a mac+windows file server |
| 18:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | not much to do with linux... apt-file is Debian specific |
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| 18:10.48 | flami | jelly-home: aparentlyIt runs some scripts , but my * * * * * root /bin/echo hello doesnt get touched |
| 18:11.07 | jelly-home | flami: lines in crontab must end with a newline character... vi(m) takes care of that, but some other editors might not |
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| 18:13.16 | flami | I use vim ... |
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| 18:17.44 | remote | how can I burn a cdrom iso image to a dvd? |
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| 18:18.04 | sprax_ | so I'm installing the HP server components for lenny which HP makes available on ISO. Instead of burning the disc, I figured I would just mount it and do my thing. I did apt-cdrom add -m -d /my/mount/point and did an apt-get update without incident. Now I want to aptitude install one of the packages and it's asking me to mount the CD. I can work around this easily enough, but I'm wondering: |
| 18:18.15 | sprax_ | Is there a graceful way to use an ISO file as a repository for apt? |
| 18:18.17 | flami | remote: if you use KDE try k3b , a really nice burngn sofware |
| 18:18.41 | sprax_ | remote yeah, k3b for linux, infrarecorder if ur still stuck in win |
| 18:19.09 | flami | jelly-home: seems that the .cron ending of my file seems to make cron ignore it ... |
| 18:19.27 | remote | i'm using cdrecord but it gives me an input output error |
| 18:19.43 | remote | i want to burn it to dvd because the image is 810mB |
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| 18:20.41 | flami | well ... thats strange . why on earth does the .cron ending make cron ignore the script?? |
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| 18:23.16 | sprax_ | and actually, full marks to HP for creating a ready to go ISO for all the apps in debian format |
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| 18:23.34 | sprax_ | Usually I have to railroad some broken-down redhat RPM onto the system and pray the libs line up |
| 18:23.57 | flami | crons working now ... |
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| 18:24.59 | edbian | I accidentally unmounted my USB storage device without unmounting or emptying the trash and now the system will only mount it as read only. How can I fix this problem?? |
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| 18:26.46 | lunk | how can i set a terminal to not go black? |
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| 18:27.10 | hiwk | lunk: what do you mean? |
| 18:27.59 | lunk | n/m my google fu just stepped up |
| 18:28.16 | lunk | hiwk: i have a console where i want to monitor a machine without hitting space every minute |
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| 18:29.06 | edbian | Never mind I figuered it out! dosfsck ;) |
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| 18:29.32 | rafuch0 | how annoying i got this error whit this file error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory... but i have that file on the sys /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 plus i have that dir inside of l/etc/ld.so.conf |
| 18:29.42 | rafuch0 | what cut be happening |
| 18:30.02 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 18:30.25 | hiwk | lunk: I think you want to use setterm |
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| 18:30.46 | hiwk | lunk: 'setterm -blank 0' or something |
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| 18:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | meOwnThroat happening? |
| 18:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafuch0, it's a softlink |
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| 18:33.49 | rafuch0 | shut i create a softlink CutMeOwnThroat / |
| 18:33.51 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 18:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 IS a soft link |
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| 18:34.37 | patrikf | soft link? |
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| 18:35.34 | soreau | ! list | amphi |
| 18:35.58 | abrotman | soreau: do you need help ? |
| 18:36.11 | soreau | Probably ;) |
| 18:36.13 | rafuch0 | so what can i do CutMeOwnThroat ? |
| 18:36.13 | soreau | !list |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | soreau: VATTENE VIA |
| 18:36.33 | rafuch0 | sounds funny :D |
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| 18:36.52 | \amethyst | rafuch0: 1. make sure the link is actually pointing to something that exists. 2. run ldconfig |
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| 18:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rafuch0, just that the softlink is there doesn't mean you really have the file... |
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| 18:38.39 | rafuch0 | so check this out i know that tha file is here |
| 18:39.00 | rafuch0 | on the pakage libgtk2.0-0 |
| 18:39.11 | rafuch0 | i install that package |
| 18:39.15 | rafuch0 | and still |
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| 18:39.33 | rafuch0 | so it must be the soflink |
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| 18:41.30 | lunk | hiwk: yeah, that's what i used |
| 18:41.39 | path | ?? |
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| 18:46.59 | linduxed | what is the purpose of automatically creating a new group with the same name as the user created? |
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| 18:47.38 | linduxed | u |
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| 18:49.00 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal list |
| 18:49.00 | dpkg | "list" is "<reply>$who: VATTENE VIA" |
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| 18:49.50 | abrotman | linduxed: depends on the group name |
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| 18:52.43 | linduxed | abrotman: well lets say i create a user named "abrotman", what would then the purpose be of automatically create a group called "abrotman"? |
| 18:53.01 | abrotman | linduxed: well .. i could add you to my group if i wanted to |
| 18:53.34 | abrotman | or the inverse .. my user has to have a group .. do you want all users to be in the same group? |
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| 18:54.09 | abrotman | linduxed: see /etc/adduser.conf if you want to change it |
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| 18:54.25 | linduxed | abrotman: oh so its basically there to give every user a my-stuff-and-nobody-elses-group? |
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| 19:04.39 | Terr1 | I just installed another OS on my debian PC, So I have to restore GRUB on MBR, I have my system disk on a promise controller, If I use my old debian-testing cd and boots up in rescue mode.. I get chrooted and all fine.. however when I type 'grub' I get the folllowing error: eroor about terminal: bterm and quits.. I tried ubunto live cd as well dosent include my promise ata driver.. any ideas? |
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| 19:05.48 | macman_ | hey all quick question .. i just downloaded an avi and it is in spanish .. there anyway to download something that can transulate the audio to english ? |
| 19:06.32 | abrotman | you mean .. like a spanish major ? |
| 19:06.42 | patrikf | lol... |
| 19:06.45 | Terr1 | lol |
| 19:06.47 | fxiny | i heard klingon do have such an app |
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| 19:08.30 | nkuttler | he probably should have looked at something like allsubs.org |
| 19:09.17 | patrikf | or pirated the right file in the first place ;-) |
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| 19:10.01 | TheBrayn | howdy folks |
| 19:10.56 | TheBrayn | i have installed debian with xfce and would like to change my keyboard layout |
| 19:11.08 | TheBrayn | but I dont remember how |
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| 19:13.17 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 19:13.18 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 19:23.30 | msaizar | virginia-f spamming :/ |
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| 19:24.07 | abrotman | msaizar: thank you |
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| 19:24.21 | msaizar | np :) |
| 19:25.21 | iamcalledro | I'm trying to install a package, but I get this error: E: failed to rename /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates to /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates.old - save_selection_list (30 Read-only file system) |
| 19:25.25 | iamcalledro | can anyone help? |
| 19:25.59 | joltcan | iamcalledro: sounds like your filesystem is read-only, so check if it's full |
| 19:26.04 | joltcan | iamcalledro: or do fsck |
| 19:26.14 | iamcalledro | joltcan: /dev/sda1 3.3G 1.5G 1.7G 47% / |
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| 19:26.35 | joltcan | iamcalledro: then something has happen. Try dmesg and see if you find any errors |
| 19:26.53 | abrotman | iamcalledro: but is it read only ? |
| 19:26.57 | iamcalledro | aha something happened with the journal, and it remounted it read-only |
| 19:27.05 | abrotman | cat /proc/mounts |
| 19:27.25 | iamcalledro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.30 | iamcalledro | I've run fsck, let me reboot |
| 19:27.47 | joltcan | copy stuff first, just in case |
| 19:27.55 | iamcalledro | well, this has no data right now |
| 19:27.58 | iamcalledro | it's a VM i'm configuring |
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| 19:28.13 | joltcan | ok, that was just an idea |
| 19:28.34 | iamcalledro | thanks anyway :) |
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| 19:28.50 | linduxed | when you do a "adduser foobar" and it does all the usual manouvers, is there a reversal command? kinda like "rmuser" and it does away all that adduser did? |
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| 19:29.08 | iamcalledro | deluser? |
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| 19:33.43 | alecs1 | hi, is there a way to recursively remove all dependent modules from the kernel? |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | modprobe -r ? |
| 19:34.03 | abrotman | not sure i understand |
| 19:34.03 | alecs1 | I'm trying to reload snd, but it is in use |
| 19:35.13 | alecs1 | abrotman: sorry, I'll be more clear, I want to reload snd after making some changes to configuration files |
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| 19:35.30 | iamcalledro | agh, my filesystem keeps being remounted as readonly because of EXT3 errors |
| 19:35.48 | alecs1 | but "modprobe -r snd" tells me snd is in use |
| 19:36.13 | iamcalledro | http://i26.tinypic.com/2ivil1k.png :( |
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| 19:38.36 | adb | alecs1: lenny ? |
| 19:39.32 | alecs1 | adb: no, Unstable |
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| 19:41.14 | hark | alecs1: alsa force-reload |
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| 19:41.59 | phlux | How do you guys mount an internal SD card? |
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| 19:42.16 | phlux | I just don't know what FS to use |
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| 19:42.49 | alecs1 | hark: thank you |
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| 19:45.03 | Sakkath | hey guys, i used guided partition with lvm and whole filesystem on /... every time i do the install and even if i don't select anything special just leave 100% defaults and stuff every time i try to boot it says can't find /dev/mapper/myvolumename... which is my root |
| 19:45.33 | Sakkath | http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3673/img00053200907191538.jpg i don't know why it's sideways but that is the error |
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| 19:45.42 | Sakkath | eventually it said gave up waiting for root and dropped to busybox |
| 19:45.59 | Sakkath | i'm gonna eat but if you ping/pm me a response or some advice i'd greatly appreciate it! |
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| 19:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ethanol not found |
| 19:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | how sad |
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| 19:57.18 | LekisS | ohai ! :) I need help using sendmail with php... Anyone would be available to help me ? |
| 19:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | phlux, vfat |
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| 19:57.44 | uman | Does the Debian installer include a tool to resize partitions, or must I do that before installing debian? |
| 19:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does |
| 19:57.59 | uman | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. |
| 19:58.02 | uman | It works with ext2 right? |
| 19:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, it worked on my ntfs partition |
| 19:58.06 | \amethyst | LekisS: ##php might be able to help more than we |
| 19:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | to my great amazement |
| 19:58.20 | uman | okay, well ntfs is much more obscure than ext2 so probably :D |
| 19:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well "my" wasn't my computer |
| 19:58.42 | LekisS | \amethyst: thanks... :) |
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| 19:59.56 | uman | I finally got sick of LFS and am longing for the days when I could use apt-get to install a package, but I'm not quite ready to reformat my LFS partition ;) |
| 19:59.59 | LekisS | \amethyst: actually I would like to know how to send a mail the same way php does it, but using the command line (to check if it's PHP or my Debian)... |
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| 20:01.20 | \amethyst | LekisS: I'm not sure how PHP sends mail |
| 20:01.49 | uman | LekisS: how PHP sends mail is not a debian issue, it's a php issue... ask in ##php |
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| 20:02.35 | LekisS | uman: I'm doing it right now... But what is the command line for sending an email using sendmail ? |
| 20:02.45 | \amethyst | LekisS: docs seem to indicate it's sendmail -t -i |
| 20:02.49 | uman | LekisS: I have no idea |
| 20:02.50 | \amethyst | LekisS: PHP docs that is |
| 20:02.57 | uman | I've never had to send mail using sendmail |
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| 20:03.09 | \amethyst | LekisS: so sendmail -t -i then write the email (headers first, then a newline, then the body) and end it with EOF (ctrl-d) |
| 20:03.18 | LekisS | \amethyst: yeah that's /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i, but I'd like to know the parameters to send an email |
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| 20:03.29 | LekisS | \amethyst: thanks ;) |
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| 20:04.18 | \amethyst | LekisS: -t tells sendmail to build the recipient list from the To:, Cc:, and Bcc: headers |
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| 20:05.42 | LekisS | \amethyst: thanks ;) that works ;) |
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| 20:13.39 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 20:16.14 | iamcalledrob | where does debian put ruby binaries when installed via gem install? |
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| 20:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | "gem install"? |
| 20:23.20 | valdyn | i dont think gem install is supported by debian |
| 20:23.22 | azeem_ | iamcalledrob: isn't that gem's problem, rather |
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| 20:23.52 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: does debian ship the gem program? |
| 20:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's rubygems |
| 20:24.12 | iamcalledrob | yes, it's rubygems |
| 20:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's outside debians package management |
| 20:24.27 | iamcalledrob | I found it on page 2 of a google search |
| 20:24.30 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: there should be a debian supported wrapper for gem |
| 20:24.42 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: one that creates .deb files |
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| 20:24.54 | iamcalledrob | debian's rubygems package by default saves gems in a non-standard location |
| 20:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | really? |
| 20:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there one for perl modules? |
| 20:25.09 | valdyn | dh_make_perl |
| 20:25.18 | valdyn | and theres one for python |
| 20:25.23 | iamcalledrob | valdyn: there is, for a few select gems |
| 20:25.38 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: uh? there should be a general wrapper |
| 20:25.43 | iamcalledrob | but most gems I use are pulled straight from github |
| 20:25.44 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: but i dont really use ruby so duh |
| 20:25.55 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: im not talking about packages |
| 20:26.07 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: im talking about a wrapper around gem that creates packages automagically |
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| 20:26.20 | iamcalledrob | oh? what would the point of that be? |
| 20:26.42 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: one point of debian is that the package management is aware of *anything* on your system |
| 20:27.01 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: as opposed to using a seperate system for perl, ruby, whatever |
| 20:27.20 | alecs1 | is there an article on alsamixer channels? I only need the "common" ones, center, surround, front |
| 20:27.35 | iamcalledrob | valdyn: well, from what I can see, that isn't the case |
| 20:27.39 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: ruby-pkg-tools - Tools for building Debian Ruby packages <- |
| 20:27.43 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: i found it though |
| 20:27.50 | alecs1 | as silly as it may seem, to me it is not abvious at all what they do |
| 20:28.08 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: that doesnt explain where gem would put files, but you should use the debian facility anyway, not gem |
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| 20:28.47 | valdyn | alecs1: not just to you |
| 20:29.29 | valdyn | alecs1: the common ones are named like that however, beside that you probably just need master and pcm, where only one of those 2 might exist |
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| 20:29.54 | iamcalledrob | valdyn: I can't find any worthwhile documentation on that tool, and nobody I know uses it (including debian users) |
| 20:30.01 | dmarkey | where does debian keep the information about the mac addresses of the interfaces, i.e eth0 |
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| 20:30.10 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 20:30.10 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 20:30.32 | valdyn | dmarkey: ^^ |
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| 20:30.56 | dmarkey | valdyn: perfect thanks |
| 20:31.10 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: you need to read http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html I think |
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| 20:31.25 | valdyn | iamcalledrob: but as i said i dont use ruby so i did neither read that nor have alot of clue about this |
| 20:31.57 | alecs1 | valdyn, the ones that influence volume for me are master, pcm and surround, front and center don't do anything; |
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| 20:32.48 | valdyn | alecs1: theres seperate switches how sound is played back |
| 20:33.06 | valdyn | alecs1: with options like "stereo - 5.1 - 6.1" or somesuch |
| 20:33.19 | alecs1 | if I enable the laptop speakers, then front will modify the laptop speakers |
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| 20:38.45 | iamcalledrob | agh, rubygems and debian... |
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| 20:39.10 | iamcalledrob | "Rails requires RubyGems >= 1.3.1 (you have 1.2.0). Please `gem update --system` and try again.", when I run that command I get "gem update --system is disabled on Debian. RubyGems can be updated using the official Debian repositories by aptitude or apt-get." |
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| 20:40.38 | \amethyst | iamcalledrob: is the debian version of rails new enough for you? |
| 20:41.00 | iamcalledrob | I just need rails stable (2.3) |
| 20:41.00 | \amethyst | iamcalledrob: 2.1.0 in lenny, 2.2.2 in sid, squeeze, and lenny-backports |
| 20:41.04 | \amethyst | oh |
| 20:41.42 | charitwo | !ops TracK onjoin spam |
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| 20:42.01 | iamcalledrob | hmm, all the advice I can find says don't touch debian's package management when dealing with rails |
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| 20:42.39 | jmarsden | iamcalledrob: rubygems 1.3.4 is in testing and sid and lenny-backports... so if you just need a newer rubygems... |
| 20:42.49 | \amethyst | iamcalledrob: which means that, until 2.3 is packaged for debian, we'll recommend to stick with 2.2 |
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| 20:44.45 | iamcalledrob | jmarsden: is it possible to install just that package from testing? |
| 20:44.56 | \amethyst | iamcalledrob: the recommendation of the Debian rails maintainer, if you do need to use rubygems etc, is to set up a chroot, install ruby in the chroot, and use gems for everything else in the chroot |
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| 20:45.14 | EugenMayer | which command shows me the user, iam currently logged in? |
| 20:45.35 | jmarsden | iamcalledrob: I don't know what it depends on, but in general you can install just one (or a few) packages from testing if you want. man apt_preferences for info on pinning |
| 20:45.37 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: whoami |
| 20:45.54 | EugenMayer | thank you |
| 20:45.57 | \amethyst | iamcalledrob: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301790 (last message) |
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| 20:46.38 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: No problem. BTW you can also do something like PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' in bash and your prompt will then include who you are... |
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| 20:49.00 | Hunter-M | hello all |
| 20:49.23 | Hunter-M | i am using Ubuntu Jaunty and i have a problem on my webcam, is it the right place to ask in? |
| 20:49.55 | filePeter | No. =) Just ask anyway. |
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| 20:50.01 | Hunter-M | ok:) |
| 20:50.30 | Hunter-M | i am using thegspca,sn9c102 |
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| 20:51.10 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.37 | Hunter-M | i am using the gspca,sn9c102 moule and the cam is snxxx chip, when i see my image on the videoview program i can see everythign working fine and when i use skype or kopete i can see only a strip on the preview and the rest is black |
| 20:52.18 | Hunter-M | ok thanks for guiding me to the right channel |
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| 21:04.17 | riganta | Hi Guys, I have been trying to use backup-manager with a usb stick. I was wondering if anyone could give me a hand |
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| 21:12.12 | mujo | hi, how do I disable netatalk from bootup? |
| 21:13.50 | thewanderer_ | mujo: although I don't know netatalk-specific instructions, you should check in /etc/rc*.d for a file named sth similar to S50netatalk |
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| 21:14.40 | bpun_ | update-rc.d |
| 21:15.05 | thewanderer_ | or remove the file manually. it's a lot faster than figuring out the command line syntax. |
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| 21:15.29 | munchk | maaaan, this is impossible |
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| 21:15.34 | mujo | so its "kosher" to just remove it? sorry Im more familiar with bsd rc |
| 21:16.02 | bpun_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/en/quick-reference.pdf |
| 21:16.17 | bpun_ | no need to remove anything manually (dont) |
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| 21:17.04 | radic_ | ...or rename the fiile from S50.... to K50..... |
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| 21:19.25 | iamcalledrob | how can I make my linux machine pingable by its hostname on my local network? |
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| 21:19.57 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: either get yourself a DNS server or add its hostname/ip pair to the client machine's /etc/hosts |
| 21:20.26 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: hmm, it was working fine before then it suddenly stopped working |
| 21:20.29 | iamcalledrob | without either of those |
| 21:20.45 | \amethyst | bpun_: one issue that I see with that is that it suggests using the same number for starting and stopping |
| 21:21.47 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: perhaps the name was being distributed via other means, like broadcast packets. in any case, a local DNS server is the way to go. |
| 21:22.16 | iamcalledrob | hmm |
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| 21:22.34 | iamcalledrob | I can actually access the machine via it's hostname from OS X's connect to network field |
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| 21:23.37 | \amethyst | bpun_: then again, I see that a lot of packages still do that |
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| 21:24.34 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: you could always inspect network packets as they go over the wire (expect UDP traffic) and see how the name gets resolved |
| 21:25.10 | iamcalledrob | is there a really simple way of doing it? to be honest, I just want to be able to access this vmware install from a hostname |
| 21:25.18 | iamcalledrob | it's just 1 machine |
| 21:25.21 | subsume | how do I tell what partition type a partition is? |
| 21:25.30 | bpun_ | iamcalledrob, y, u can use the bridge (in network settings- vmware) |
| 21:26.23 | sk4tsh | hey! where is scp located on debian systems? |
| 21:26.24 | iamcalledrob | bpun_: how does that help? |
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| 21:26.34 | bpun_ | subsume, you can see with cfdisk |
| 21:26.39 | hiwk | sk4tsh: run 'which scp' |
| 21:26.42 | sk4tsh | i installed ssh, doesnt the package include scp ? |
| 21:26.44 | subsume | I got it, thanks. its hfsplus..... |
| 21:26.51 | bpun_ | iamcalledrob, assuming you're trying to get network access to begin with.. |
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| 21:27.01 | sk4tsh | hiwk: already did. does not find anything o,O! |
| 21:27.02 | iamcalledrob | bpun_: the network is working fine |
| 21:27.11 | bpun_ | iamcalledrob, good |
| 21:27.16 | iamcalledrob | I just want to be able to access the build in webserver via http://debian/ |
| 21:27.26 | subsume | Can I use fsck to restore an hfsplus (mac) disk? |
| 21:27.30 | iamcalledrob | and without editing /etc/hosts, because I'm distributing this vm to people who can't edit that file on their system |
| 21:27.41 | iamcalledrob | subsume: I'd avoid it |
| 21:27.45 | bpun_ | iamcalledrob, i have no idea what you're talking about with vmware.. sorry can't help |
| 21:27.46 | hiwk | sk4tsh: try to install the package openssh-client |
| 21:27.51 | iamcalledrob | subsume: what's wrong? use a mac disk repair tool |
| 21:27.55 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: on every client machine, add the ip/hostname pair to /etc/hosts |
| 21:28.09 | iamcalledrob | <iamcalledrob> and without editing /etc/hosts, because I'm distributing this vm to people who can't edit that file on their system |
| 21:28.10 | subsume | iamcalledrob: the mac can barely mount this thing. mounts fine in debian and I even get a file structure |
| 21:28.19 | iamcalledrob | subsume: don't fix it in debian |
| 21:28.25 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: then you must use a centralized DNS server... |
| 21:28.33 | subsume | iamcalledrob: but I can't even mount it on the mac. |
| 21:28.34 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: they aren't on the same network |
| 21:28.40 | iamcalledrob | subsume: you don't need to mount it |
| 21:28.43 | sk4tsh | hiwk: already installed ;/. |
| 21:28.53 | sk4tsh | hiwk, its really strange. |
| 21:29.01 | bpun_ | subsume, dont use open source tools to fix hfs.. try using a macboot.. |
| 21:29.06 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: the DNS needs to be accessible for all clients that need to access the hostname |
| 21:29.22 | subsume | no fsck.hfsplus, eh?? |
| 21:29.27 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: well in this case, it's a VM instance which will be available for download |
| 21:29.30 | iamcalledrob | subsume: don't do it |
| 21:29.37 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: so there's only ever 1 client at a time |
| 21:29.49 | hiwk | sk4tsh: and there is no /usr/bin/scp ? |
| 21:29.51 | iamcalledrob | subsume: http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html |
| 21:30.04 | subsume | bah. diskwarrior can't do anything with this thing. i tried it |
| 21:30.13 | bpun_ | subsume, you should be able to use the mac install dvd, and run terminal.. i believe it's fsck tools might work from there |
| 21:30.13 | sk4tsh | hiwk: no ;/ i dont know why. Its on Strrato VServer. |
| 21:30.19 | iamcalledrob | subsume: really? diskwarrior fixes almost everything |
| 21:30.28 | subsume | not this. freezes. |
| 21:30.30 | iamcalledrob | is it the system drive of the mac? |
| 21:30.33 | subsume | yes |
| 21:30.34 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: where are the clients located? at a remote site or inside a local, separated, routed network? |
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| 21:30.46 | subsume | besides diskwarrior doesn't work on intel too well, which i have |
| 21:30.58 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: the clients are essentially random people on the internet |
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| 21:31.03 | hiwk | sk4tsh: ok, you'll need to reinstall openssh-client |
| 21:31.06 | iamcalledrob | subsume: bull. I used it last week |
| 21:31.16 | subsume | iamcalledrob: well, at least my version has warnings about it. |
| 21:31.19 | bpun_ | subsume, you can back up your data,, but don't use -o force (for using rw < don't use rw) |
| 21:31.25 | iamcalledrob | then your version is out of date |
| 21:31.32 | subsume | version 3.0 |
| 21:31.35 | iamcalledrob | update it, and you'll be fine |
| 21:31.38 | bpun_ | subsume, (assuming you want to use mount -t hfsplus ) |
| 21:31.46 | iamcalledrob | subsume: the latest is 4.1 |
| 21:31.50 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: if you need to distribute a hostname via the Internet, you need a DNS domain name and a DNS server... |
| 21:32.00 | subsume | ok |
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| 21:32.03 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: aah, that's not what I'm trying to do |
| 21:32.05 | iamcalledrob | it's a VM image |
| 21:32.07 | iamcalledrob | ^^^^ |
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| 21:32.20 | iamcalledrob | so there will be many instances of it runnning |
| 21:32.27 | sk4tsh | hiwk: no, its there. sorry, i had to look manually. the file is not listed becaus its permissions are: ---------- 1 root root ! |
| 21:32.52 | iamcalledrob | I just want the person running vmware fusion to be able to access their VM running locally, in their web browser at http://debian/ |
| 21:33.04 | thewanderer_ | iamcalledrob: so the VM will be running on their local network, bridged? |
| 21:33.07 | sk4tsh | hiwk: thx for the hint ;) ... i dont know why there are no permissions, but i can solve the problem now, thx |
| 21:33.13 | iamcalledrob | thewanderer_: yes |
| 21:33.25 | hiwk | sk4tsh: np, if that solved your problem |
| 21:33.29 | bpun_ | iamcalledrob, ya u can already do that with workstation -- but not sure if its avail on the mac (the ACE options i believe) |
| 21:34.25 | subsume | Bah. Upgrade is 50 bux. |
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| 21:34.39 | subsume | I will try fsck from my macbook, I guess. |
| 21:34.52 | iamcalledrob | subsume, is it a system disk? |
| 21:34.55 | subsume | its sad because mounting in debian is most promising |
| 21:34.57 | subsume | yes. |
| 21:35.11 | bpun_ | subsume, like i said.. dont use fsck from opensource tools on hfs |
| 21:35.19 | iamcalledrob | boot your computer into single user mode if yo can |
| 21:35.32 | bpun_ | subsume, u can backup as i said but readonly.. |
| 21:35.38 | subsume | bpun_: yeah. |
| 21:35.41 | subsume | Am doing that |
| 21:35.48 | iamcalledrob | thhen you can run OS X's fsck |
| 21:35.49 | iamcalledrob | http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1492 |
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| 21:36.19 | subsume | iamcalledrob: i only have the disk. |
| 21:36.39 | iamcalledrob | oh, it's not in a mac? |
| 21:36.47 | subsume | nope, not anymore. ibook is long gone. |
| 21:36.59 | subsume | saved the drive. am playing with things today and found new hope plugging it into debian. =) |
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| 21:38.15 | iamcalledrob | subsume: then use your macbook+diskwarrior (wherever you get it from....) |
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| 21:39.00 | subsume | hmm... yeah |
| 21:39.05 | subsume | i suppose i could try and find 4.1 |
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| 21:43.02 | Ideogroabpf | Here's a lazy question to stir the silence any idea if debian live can work off a GiB of flash? |
| 21:44.12 | thewanderer_ | Ideogroabpf: It is quite comfy with such a vast amount of space. More than enough (but it still depends on what you put in there). |
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| 21:45.14 | Ideogroabpf | well, would have to put less than in the usual recommmended 2 gig minimum partition |
| 21:45.56 | thewanderer_ | Ideogroabpf: have you checked the example Debian-Live images? they are about 700MB I believe... |
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| 21:47.27 | Ideogroabpf | haven't tried it yet, I'll be downloading soon, have to pull it straight onto one of my 1GiB usb sticks don't have the HDD to spare yet |
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| 21:48.14 | Ideogroabpf | have to make sure my hardware will work before I can try either swapping drives or abandoning a working os installation |
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| 21:50.30 | Esine | anyone here use loop-aes with root encryption? I'm having some trouble understanding the initramfs-tools scripts and how to use tem |
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| 21:50.32 | Esine | them |
| 21:50.40 | g00se | Is it possible to debootstrap Grip? |
| 21:51.17 | adb | g00se: ask #emdebian |
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| 21:51.34 | g00se | adb: Shall try |
| 21:52.25 | g00se | No one in there ;-) |
| 21:53.13 | adb | on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:53.27 | g00se | Oh sorry |
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| 22:05.52 | daffidity | Hi. I am running Debian lenny and my usb keyboard doesn't work. Usb support is enable in the BIOS (Insyde H2O bios). I have a toshiba satellite pro laptop. |
| 22:06.34 | streuner_ | hm, that works here :-) |
| 22:06.48 | daffidity | Oh I also have a usb mouse plugged in and which works. Unplugging that and leaving just the keyboard doesnt seem to make a difference |
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| 22:07.05 | streuner_ | USB sucks usually ;-) |
| 22:07.06 | daffidity | streuner_ : by magic??? ;-p |
| 22:07.11 | streuner_ | sure :-P |
| 22:07.16 | daffidity | :-o |
| 22:07.23 | streuner_ | its an USB thingie |
| 22:07.43 | streuner_ | USB is sometimes a nightmare in Linux |
| 22:07.53 | Esine | that's new |
| 22:07.59 | daffidity | there have been people complaining about it since the dawn of time. thought it would be fixed by now |
| 22:08.12 | streuner_ | tzz |
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| 22:08.28 | streuner_ | forget that |
| 22:08.33 | daffidity | Can I do anything from the command line to detect/poke/do something to the keyboard? |
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| 22:09.36 | streuner_ | well, dont touch anything, just unplug and plug it into your USB-thingie |
| 22:10.28 | daffidity | nope. fails. Also tried rebooting. nadda |
| 22:10.36 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:11.09 | streuner_ | thats evil then, because after a reboot it should work... |
| 22:11.14 | thewanderer_ | daffidity: does lsusb see it, at least? it would be a nice starting point... |
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| 22:11.44 | daffidity | !paste |
| 22:11.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 22:12.03 | streuner_ | daffidity: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 22:12.35 | daffidity | thewanderer_ : lsusb find the keyboard. :-) |
| 22:12.37 | daffidity | http://paste.debian.net/42166/ |
| 22:12.42 | streuner_ | (an offical kernel works usually) |
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| 22:13.17 | streuner_ | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub isnt ok.. |
| 22:13.34 | streuner_ | if you find this line with "root" something isnt ok |
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| 22:13.46 | daffidity | streuner_ :http://paste.debian.net/42167/ |
| 22:13.50 | daffidity | what's wrong? |
| 22:14.03 | streuner_ | wrong kernel |
| 22:14.22 | streuner_ | thats the usual reason |
| 22:14.30 | daffidity | oh yes i got a backported kernel to get wireless to work |
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| 22:14.47 | streuner_ | selfbacked? |
| 22:14.54 | streuner_ | custom kernel? |
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| 22:15.05 | daffidity | no using apt-get |
| 22:15.09 | Sashi | wow that is sad |
| 22:15.23 | Sashi | ubuntu vs debian, ubuntu has alot less ram usage on fresh install |
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| 22:15.53 | streuner_ | troll somewhere else :-) |
| 22:16.02 | Sashi | im not lol |
| 22:16.06 | Sashi | im a huge debian fan |
| 22:16.09 | adb | daffidity try 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 22:16.15 | abrotman | Sashi: this channel is not for comparisons .. it's for debian support |
| 22:16.19 | streuner_ | daffidity: what kind of Debian? |
| 22:16.30 | Esine | Sashi: yeah, you used ubuntu alternate text install and debian with full kde4 desktop? :) |
| 22:16.35 | streuner_ | daffidity: lenny? |
| 22:16.38 | daffidity | adb : apt-get? |
| 22:16.41 | daffidity | streuner_: yes |
| 22:16.42 | Esine | I guarantee debian installed with debootstrap will have less memory usage |
| 22:16.42 | adb | sure |
| 22:16.42 | Sashi | no Esine |
| 22:16.53 | Sashi | i used network minimal install |
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| 22:17.07 | Sashi | Esine: its cuz of rsyslog |
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| 22:17.38 | streuner_ | daffidity: whats wrong with the default kernel, what kind of chipset do you have? |
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| 22:18.29 | Esine | Sashi: does rsyslog use much memory? |
| 22:18.34 | streuner_ | daffidity: madwifi should work ;) |
| 22:18.35 | Sashi | Esine: alot |
| 22:18.36 | daffidity | streuner_: intel core2 duo. Wireless was only fixed in the later versions of the kernel |
| 22:18.39 | Esine | I see.. how much? |
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| 22:18.51 | Sashi | like 15+ |
| 22:18.53 | streuner_ | daffidity: on a Satelitte Pro? |
| 22:19.07 | streuner_ | daffidity: thats usually atheros |
| 22:19.15 | daffidity | streuner_ : yes and with the insyde bios and with the fan/acpi problems |
| 22:19.19 | daffidity | life is fun |
| 22:19.24 | daffidity | but i still like debian |
| 22:19.54 | streuner_ | daffidity: did you try madwifi? |
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| 22:20.14 | streuner_ | daffidity: it doesnt matter what kernel you are using then... |
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| 22:20.42 | streuner_ | daffidity: ath5k is the free one, madwifi the non-free one |
| 22:21.04 | daffidity | streuner_ : hmm no I didn't but i got a new kernel coz the debian website recommended that for the specific laptop I have |
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| 22:21.17 | daffidity | I see |
| 22:21.31 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 22:21.51 | Sashi | Esine: Mem: 965 29 936 0 0 0 << with rsyslog started |
| 22:22.01 | Sashi | Esine: Mem: 965 4 960 0 0 0 without |
| 22:22.17 | Esine | humh |
| 22:22.37 | Esine | I wouldn't call 29 megabytes too much :) |
| 22:22.41 | Esine | but yes, you are right |
| 22:22.46 | Sashi | well it is alot being used |
| 22:22.47 | Sashi | for a logger |
| 22:22.49 | Esine | yen |
| 22:22.51 | Esine | yes |
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| 22:24.48 | daffidity | streuner_ : have some time to help me with something else? |
| 22:26.00 | streuner_ | just ask, we try our best |
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| 22:27.24 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 22:27.25 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 22:27.32 | valdyn | Sashi: ^^ |
| 22:28.35 | daffidity | okay. I have that pair of usb logitech speakers (yeah usb rocks my world) and a volume wheel on the front of my laptop which is buggy. My problem is best described in this bug report (Primary example, see report). https://bugs.launchpad.net/gst-plugins-base/+bug/252237 |
| 22:28.49 | daffidity | Now the fix for the bug doesn't work for me. any ideas? |
| 22:29.04 | Esine | !swapwake |
| 22:29.05 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
| 22:29.16 | streuner_ | daffidity: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 22:30.35 | daffidity | streuner_: Linux version 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 (Debian 2.6.29-5~bpo50+1) (nobse@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 SMP Mon May 18 16:08:51 UTC 2009 |
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| 22:31.45 | streuner_ | daffidity: why do you search on a ubuntu BTS site? |
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| 22:32.36 | streuner_ | well, if you using more USB stuff it makes it more complicated |
| 22:32.37 | daffidity | streuner_: hmm coz its the best that google came up with. |
| 22:32.48 | streuner_ | daffidity: bugs.debian.org |
| 22:33.08 | daffidity | streuner_ : yeps |
| 22:33.19 | streuner_ | launchpad is ubuntu BTS |
| 22:33.46 | daffidity | steuner_: used to use ubuntu. thought things were the same. my mistake |
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| 22:34.02 | Duditz | hi ... what's is the configuration file to set default LS command options? |
| 22:34.09 | streuner_ | forget that, ubuntu and Debian use different kernels |
| 22:34.19 | valdyn | Duditz: you mean 'ls' ? |
| 22:34.26 | Duditz | yeap |
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| 22:35.09 | thewanderer_ | Duditz: see 'alias' builtin for your shell |
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| 22:35.29 | streuner_ | daffidity: as long you get "Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub" something is wrong with your kernel or/and USB-system |
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| 22:35.49 | thewanderer_ | Duditz: on most systems, aliases can be initialized in .bashrc, .profile, .bash_profile, /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 22:36.20 | daffidity | streuner_: in a happy laptop what should that line read instead of "root"? |
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| 22:36.37 | Duditz | it can be set only with aliases? |
| 22:36.49 | valdyn | Duditz: it can only be set with aliases |
| 22:37.00 | thewanderer_ | Duditz: it is the most common way, if you don't want to mess with the source |
| 22:37.03 | valdyn | Duditz: ls itself is not configurable |
| 22:37.07 | themill | other than LS_COLORS |
| 22:37.30 | streuner_ | daffidt: http://paste.debian.net/42168/ |
| 22:37.35 | thewanderer_ | themill: it is usually attained by setting an alias option, as I've seen in Gentoo |
| 22:37.51 | valdyn | Duditz: examples should be in ~/.bashrc too |
| 22:38.03 | Duditz | great! |
| 22:38.05 | streuner_ | daffidity: http://paste.debian.net/42168/ |
| 22:38.06 | Duditz | thanks all! |
| 22:38.13 | themill | thewanderer_: LS_COLORS still needs to be set to define the colours used |
| 22:38.52 | themill | and there's also LS_OPTIONS, fwiw |
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| 22:39.04 | dansushi | how do i make /dev/video0 appear when i plug in a video device like a webcam? |
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| 22:39.25 | streuner_ | just symlink it :-) |
| 22:39.35 | daffidity | streuner_ : I see. I may try to revert back to the default kernel and try and fix my usb and wireless. Thanks for the help. :-D |
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| 22:39.42 | thewanderer_ | dansushi: if you are using udev, it should appear automagically, provided that necessary drivers are in place |
| 22:40.24 | streuner_ | daffidity: not sure, whats wrong with your system |
| 22:40.48 | dansushi | thewanderer_: how can i make sure that I have the right drivers? I installed v4l, and quickcam modules, and it's still not showing up (my webcam is a logitech quickcam( |
| 22:40.54 | streuner_ | daffidity: usually the bpo kernel should work |
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| 22:41.26 | streuner_ | daffidity: do you use a USB-Hub too? |
| 22:41.30 | thewanderer_ | dansushi: check dmesg, and if needed, modprobe quickcam modules |
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| 22:42.20 | dansushi | thewanderer_: it's not found |
| 22:42.47 | daffidity | Streuner_ : no hub. just the usb ports on my laptop (3 of them). May just be my laptop being bad. For on thing Toshiba didn't bother to write the bit of the bios which would allow linux to control the fan |
| 22:42.52 | daffidity | one* |
| 22:42.55 | thewanderer_ | dansushi: I don't know the names of modules for your cam... I guess you do. |
| 22:43.19 | dansushi | but i installed the quickcam drivers as suggestied by someone else, idk |
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| 22:43.49 | thewanderer_ | dansushi: have you loaded the module? a quick check: lsmod | grep quickcam |
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| 22:45.22 | streuner_ | daffidity: what happens if you using another kernel? |
| 22:45.57 | daffidity | Streuner_ : I'll reboot and use the default kernel. brb |
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| 22:46.55 | streuner_ | daffi: this "Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub" must go away, otherwise you havent much fun with USB |
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| 22:47.22 | TTimo | sid - amd64 -> how do I get the 32 bit version of zlib installed ? |
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| 22:47.48 | thewanderer_ | streuner_: as far as I can tell, this entry on the listing is fine |
| 22:48.28 | thewanderer_ | here's mine from a fully functional laptop: Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub |
| 22:48.52 | thewanderer_ | streuner_: I think it just indicates support for legacy USB1.1 devices |
| 22:49.01 | streuner_ | hm, and you dont use USB at all? :-P |
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| 22:49.36 | thewanderer_ | streuner_: I used Logitech and A4 wireless keyboards/mice, and have a pendrive plugged right now |
| 22:49.57 | thewanderer_ | streuner_: but root hub 2.0 entries are there as well |
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| 22:50.46 | dmoerner | hi, my emacs21-common is seriously screwed up: http://paste.debian.net/42170/ |
| 22:50.49 | dmoerner | i've never seen an error like this, any ideas? |
| 22:51.11 | abrotman | dmoerner: which version of debian ? |
| 22:51.31 | abrotman | dmoerner: touch /usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp/eshell/em-cmpl.elc.dpkg-tmp ? |
| 22:51.42 | dmoerner | debian sid |
| 22:51.51 | thewanderer_ | TTimo: I don't know if 32-bit zlib is included in ia32-libs package |
| 22:52.01 | TTimo | ia32-libs is obsolete |
| 22:52.07 | TTimo | it doesn't do anything anymore |
| 22:52.09 | dmoerner | abrotman, i get the same error after touching that file |
| 22:52.10 | abrotman | sid should be on emacs22 i'd think .. |
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| 22:52.20 | TTimo | now there is a ia32-apt-get for which I can't find any useful documentation |
| 22:52.21 | abrotman | dmoerner: did you manually verify the file exists ? |
| 22:52.45 | thewanderer_ | TTimo: you can just try the old way and extract the package manually |
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| 22:53.19 | TTimo | I'd rather do it the right way and avoid screwing this system further |
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| 22:53.55 | dmoerner | abrotman, emacs21 is scheduled to be removed within the month, ironically. |
| 22:54.12 | dmoerner | this is bizarre, i can't create any files in that directory. i try to touch it or echo arbitrary content there and there is no error message, but nothing shows up |
| 22:54.21 | abrotman | does that directory exist ? |
| 22:54.29 | dmoerner | yes |
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| 22:54.42 | thewanderer_ | TTimo: check out ia32-libs-tools from sid, the package should allow you to convert any .deb from ia32 to amd64 to make your dpkg happy |
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| 22:55.00 | abrotman | dmoerner: is that file in the .list for emacs21-common ? |
| 22:55.54 | daffidity | streuner_ : rebooted into the default kernel. lsusb and cat proc/version give http://debian.pastebin.com/m7296396d Mouse works. Keyboard and speakers- dead |
| 22:56.04 | dmoerner | abrotman, no, it is not |
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| 22:57.34 | dmoerner | it's also not in the md5sums list |
| 22:58.02 | thewanderer_ | TTimo: have you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ia32-apt-get/ ? |
| 22:58.20 | abrotman | dmoerner: is it a conf file? or explicitly mentioned in the prerm ? |
| 22:58.37 | TTimo | ah! |
| 22:58.40 | TTimo | finally something useful |
| 22:58.56 | dmoerner | it isn't mentioned in the prerm (or the postinst for that matter) |
| 22:59.12 | thewanderer_ | /usr/share/doc is actually the first place to look in after installing any packages. |
| 22:59.54 | dmoerner | it's also not a corrupted deb so far as i can tell |
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| 23:05.17 | abrotman | dmoerner: tried set -x in the postrm script |
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| 23:07.22 | daffidity | thanks for the help. i'm off. |
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| 23:08.33 | streuner_ | hm, BS |
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| 23:16.25 | jnewt | i have a linksys wireless router attached to my desktop computer, installed debian and it did not recognize it. how do i get it working? |
| 23:16.43 | jnewt | i didn't mean router, i mean pci wlan card |
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| 23:17.28 | abrotman | jnewt: which chipset ? |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | wonders what happened to dmoerner |
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| 23:21.11 | streuner_ | abrotman: no worries |
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| 23:21.21 | abrotman | none at all? |
| 23:21.26 | streuner_ | no |
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| 23:25.16 | jnewt | possibly rt2500 from what i can read on some of the forums. |
| 23:25.38 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:28.29 | thewanderer_ | jnewt: if rt2500 is Ralink, then install firmware-ralink from non-free |
| 23:28.53 | Sakkath | hey guys, i used guided partition with lvm and whole filesystem on /... every time i do the install and even if i don't select anything special just leave 100% defaults and stuff every time i try to boot it says can't find /dev/mapper/myvolumename... which is my root |
| 23:29.06 | Sakkath | eventually it said gave up waiting for root and dropped to busybox |
| 23:29.35 | adb | Sakkath: bootdelay=10 |
| 23:29.51 | Sakkath | adb: it sat there for a looong time before it said it gave up |
| 23:29.58 | Sakkath | is that 10m? |
| 23:30.06 | adb | 10 sec |
| 23:30.12 | Sakkath | even in busybox, /dev/mapper/volumename didn't exist |
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| 23:30.54 | adb | oh that's different things |
| 23:31.00 | Sakkath | ? |
| 23:31.23 | adb | sure volumename is correct ? |
| 23:31.30 | Sakkath | i never manually set up grub |
| 23:31.33 | Sakkath | the installer did it |
| 23:31.41 | Sakkath | there is only 'control' in /dev/mapper in busybox |
| 23:32.32 | jnewt | thewanderer: how to get internet to get to that repository if i need the repository to get internet? |
| 23:32.49 | Sakkath | lol |
| 23:33.12 | jnewt | isn't there a generic driver i can use? |
| 23:33.44 | jnewt | lspci doesn't mention ralink or rt2500, maybe the forums are wrong? |
| 23:33.54 | airtonarantes | I'm using virtualbox to study about linux network, there are 2 VM's debian where one of them(that I'm using as server) has 2 interfaces, such as eth0 and eth1, how could I set the kind of interface on virtual box? eth0 is as bridge and the other is NAT. that's right? |
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| 23:34.37 | LordMetroid | Can I install a bare bone Debian system without any superflous software? |
| 23:34.59 | purplepenguins | depends on what you mean by superfluous |
| 23:35.14 | Sakkath | adb: any ideas? |
| 23:35.17 | adb | jnewt: lspci -nn | grep Et |
| 23:35.33 | Xenguy | LordMetroid: base install ? |
| 23:35.35 | thewanderer_ | LordMetroid: either a custom install (no desktop environment selected) or debootstrap will fit your needs anyway. |
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| 23:36.13 | LordMetroid | ok, thanks, I was first thinking I would go with Ubuntu for my nettop but Ubuntu installs a lot of packages |
| 23:36.22 | LordMetroid | Debian I thought would maybe be a better choice |
| 23:36.29 | adb | Sakkath: i never used myself lvm , but i saw some try to create it in busybox |
| 23:36.40 | Sakkath | :x |
| 23:36.47 | Sakkath | i've used lvm no problem.. never as my root device though |
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| 23:37.02 | deadcat | any reason why my apple bluetooth kb doesnt work until i restart the bluetooth script? |
| 23:37.13 | Sakkath | i would imagine lvm would be in the initrd otherwise /dev/mapper probably wouldn't exist at all |
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| 23:37.34 | purplepenguins | it doesn't get much leaner than a debian minimum install |
| 23:37.55 | Skipp_OSX | I second that |
| 23:38.29 | purplepenguins | though it's not minimal in the sense of every component being vital |
| 23:38.40 | Sakkath | has anyone used debian guided partitioning w/lvm |
| 23:38.43 | Sakkath | partitioning* |
| 23:38.53 | Sakkath | i spelt it right lokl |
| 23:40.47 | bpun | deadcat, maybe your bluetooth service isn't runnign |
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| 23:42.00 | deadcat | bpun: you mean before i get into X? because i am using the kb right now. but thats after i restarted the script after loggin into X using my regular kb |
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| 23:45.09 | deadcat | my sheeva plug dev kit is arriving tomorrow. (= finally!!! |
| 23:45.12 | bpun | i'm having an issue of smtp-auth working with reportbug (i use thunderbird smpt-auth without issues to this account, which is an smtp account with my isp) |
| 23:45.24 | Sakkath | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.26 | Sakkath | oops |
| 23:45.30 | bpun | reportbug doesn't work for me and i'd like to get more verbosity. there a way? |
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| 23:49.21 | themill | bpun: are you setting smtphost smtpuser and smtppasswd in ~/.reportbugrc? |
| 23:49.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: in here dude |
| 23:50.20 | Ideogroabpf | don't think the debian documentation has live-building in windows platforms. That is I'm guessing that to be the case ATM |
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| 23:50.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: probably not - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/BuildingImages |
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| 23:50.45 | Ideogroabpf | ah, and also, if I interpret the term 'build host' right |
| 23:50.48 | dmoerner | abrotman, i intended to remove emacs21 anyway so i just removed /usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp and then proceeded with the purge. sorry for not responding earlier |
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| 23:51.15 | Ideogroabpf | so yeah, I'll just be pulling the live disc |
| 23:51.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: but you can run virtualbox in windows |
| 23:51.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: and installing a non-X debian just to make your own nice live CD |
| 23:51.55 | Ideogroabpf | I might, might not have enough disc to install it onto tho |
| 23:52.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: with non-X you won't need much |
| 23:52.33 | bpun | themill, will try again.. but is there a test package? (can i reportbug on test?) |
| 23:52.34 | Ideogroabpf | down to a few hundred megs on this box |
| 23:53.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I'd like to track your progress - you're doing something that needs documented |
| 23:53.14 | jnewt | adb: i just get the onboard via technologies ethernet controller, but i only have wireless. |
| 23:53.32 | Ideogroabpf | don't think I'll get to doing anything spectacular on my first try here. |
| 23:53.33 | themill | bpun: no idea. BTW you may need to specify a port for the smtphost and you may need smtptls depending on your ISPs setup |
| 23:53.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: ok - you'll need more HDD than that - delete a bunch of windows crap :) |
| 23:54.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I have an XP box I can work on it in parallel with you |
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| 23:54.41 | Ideogroabpf | The thing is just that I need two things, know if all of my hardware will work and support the features I want to get to work. and I want to figure out if I can handle the instllation onto a replaced hard drive etc |
| 23:55.02 | abrotman | dmoerner: not a problem |
| 23:55.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: the hdd copying is not too drastic in debian |
| 23:55.26 | Ideogroabpf | I doubt Ihave the space for building stuff, unless I can work off an usb stick or two for handling the files |
| 23:55.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: that would be painfully slow |
| 23:55.50 | Ideogroabpf | well, just installing it as the only os on the computer that part |
| 23:55.54 | Ideogroabpf | exactly |
| 23:56.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: if you can move some of your "stuff" off the windows hdd onto the usb, and make space that way? |
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| 23:57.08 | Ideogroabpf | I'm a bit tired, I'm not sure which was the unprecedented part yo were referring to. My mind just wonders alot. I don't really have a plan for proceeding chosen |
| 23:57.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: it's only a question of managing your resources |
| 23:57.18 | Ideogroabpf | well didn't but I've got an execution 'candidate' |
| 23:57.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: the wandering-mind syndrome is what's stopped me from doing this up till now ;) |
| 23:58.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I need an incentive - and documenting it while working with someone might be it ;) |
| 23:58.45 | Ideogroabpf | I could, and I could take the gamble with trusting windows' old file compression function. automated devil that. I'm paranoid of it corrupting what ever I have left that isn't corrupted yet |
| 23:59.15 | Ideogroabpf | ah, for the portable ram version heh |
| 23:59.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I presume you've done all the space savin tricks windows offers? |
| 23:59.47 | Ideogroabpf | was bit of a pipe dream, it's been two years since I last had to do anything useful through a console haha |
| 23:59.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: thaat's what we're going to create ;) |
