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| 00:00.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: ok - I'll have a fiddle with it later tonight/tomorrow and see if I can find what the space requirements will be |
| 00:00.43 | Ideogroabpf | no, I didn't bother waiting for the compression to finish, did clear me almost two gigs, all littered with updated xp now, almost regret doing that now |
| 00:00.57 | Ideogroabpf | requirements for which bit exactly? |
| 00:01.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: for the build procedure |
| 00:01.17 | Ideogroabpf | ah |
| 00:01.32 | Ideogroabpf | I'd have started an overnight download for a live ISO |
| 00:01.32 | jpinx-eeepc | you can work out what vbox will take yourself easily enough |
| 00:01.54 | Ideogroabpf | hmmm |
| 00:01.54 | jpinx-eeepc | and a debian console only OS take about 500Mbs |
| 00:02.30 | Ideogroabpf | wow, console only is that much? |
| 00:02.48 | maligor | Megabits per second? |
| 00:02.51 | Ideogroabpf | would have thought the gui-ded bits took most of the space |
| 00:02.51 | Ideogroabpf | oh |
| 00:02.56 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm being very conservative because you'll need space for the build |
| 00:03.03 | Ideogroabpf | oh yeah, k |
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| 00:03.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I'd guesstimate you need 2 Gbs free on your XP |
| 00:04.04 | jpinx-eeepc | not sure if I have that much on my own XP box... :-/ |
| 00:04.10 | Ideogroabpf | suppose I'll find the wizard now then |
| 00:04.15 | Ideogroabpf | haha |
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| 00:04.21 | Ideogroabpf | a fellow clogged computer user! |
| 00:04.37 | jpinx-eeepc | it's not me - it's the girlfriend - honest :p |
| 00:04.46 | Ideogroabpf | riight! |
| 00:05.01 | jpinx-eeepc | that's why I run debian on my lapto - she can't fill it with crap ;) |
| 00:05.09 | Ideogroabpf | haven't taught the partner the art of leisure in the land of unx yet?! |
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| 00:05.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: here's the long-term plan - debian on a live cd, with wine, with multi-head all built in |
| 00:05.52 | Ideogroabpf | well, filling with crap is like the main mode of operation for most computer users :( |
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| 00:06.35 | jpinx-eeepc | install on any decently fast machine and several people can use it |
| 00:06.36 | Ideogroabpf | spell it out for me, that list is suggested for doing what |
| 00:07.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: multiple monitors, Kbds, mice on one debian box each one used by a separate user |
| 00:07.40 | Ideogroabpf | I know it's the 30 degrees of midnight heat in here it's making me reatarded. I find you difficult to follow |
| 00:07.48 | Ideogroabpf | ah yeah |
| 00:07.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: join the club;) so do I :) |
| 00:08.17 | jpinx-eeepc | I spend a lot of time catching up with myself |
| 00:08.23 | Ideogroabpf | hahaha |
| 00:08.33 | Ideogroabpf | yeah, that's a reasonable use of hardware |
| 00:08.38 | rizzler | i just did a net install console only on this box, just standard system checked and it's using 580mb |
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| 00:09.01 | jpinx-eeepc | rizzler: that sound about right ;) |
| 00:09.20 | Maleko | hei guys..how do you untar file that has been tar'ed with -z option (compressed)? |
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| 00:09.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Maleko: man tar |
| 00:10.02 | Polarina | Maleko: Proprietary software is required, which is strongly discouraged. |
| 00:10.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Polarina: really? is -z that bad? |
| 00:10.32 | Polarina | jpinx-eeepc: Oh, I read rar, not tar. |
| 00:10.40 | Polarina | Maleko: Sorry. |
| 00:10.41 | Skipp_OSX | Maleko: don't you just untar with the same option tar xzf file.tar.gz |
| 00:10.41 | Maleko | i tried with tar xvzf but it keeps giving me error gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
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| 00:10.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Polarina: ;) |
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| 00:11.19 | Skipp_OSX | Maleko: sounds like whatever you are trying to untar is not gzipped |
| 00:11.44 | rizzler | maybe you should be using -Z |
| 00:11.56 | Skipp_OSX | maybe it is just tarred |
| 00:12.00 | rizzler | what's the full extension of the file? |
| 00:12.05 | Skipp_OSX | tar xf file.tar |
| 00:12.06 | Polarina | jpinx-eeepc: I am so used to skim over lines instead of reading them properly, which usually is more than enough to understand it completely. :) |
| 00:12.07 | abrotman | maybe use 'file' to find out .. don't rely on the extension |
| 00:12.09 | nsadmin | and the full name |
| 00:12.13 | nsadmin | file too |
| 00:12.18 | Skipp_OSX | file |
| 00:12.22 | abrotman | file |
| 00:12.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Polarina: too true - I do the same myself too often;) |
| 00:12.41 | rizzler | file file is file |
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| 00:13.20 | nsadmin | file file is file not found usually :) |
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| 00:17.13 | nsadmin | unless you happen to have a file named file in . :) |
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| 00:18.56 | jnewt | what does it mean if ifconfig -a shows wmaster0 and wlan0, but they are not show in ifconfig and ifup doesn't recognize the names (ifup wlan0) the card is a linksys, and shows up in lspci as broadcom. |
| 00:19.31 | nsadmin | jnewt: it means... |
| 00:19.39 | amphi | ifup will only work if wlan0 has an netry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:19.49 | nsadmin | the interfaces are not up, the interfaces are not set up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:20.03 | amphi | jnewt: you can use iwconfig/wpa_supplicant/ifconfig/dhclient to manually configure it |
| 00:20.19 | jnewt | ok, easy enough, i ll add them to interfaces and try again.... |
| 00:20.40 | Ideogroabpf | rizzler, console only but you've got some programs after that installed aswell right? |
| 00:20.41 | nsadmin | jnewt: the fact that wlan0 and wmaster0 show up in ifconfig -a means the driver is properly installed and active |
| 00:21.05 | Ideogroabpf | oh nm, terminal programs don't store much graphics or anything :/ |
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| 00:21.31 | rizzler | Ideogroabpf: yeah, I added a few things, so far just irssi, samba and rtorrent I think. |
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| 00:22.18 | Ideogroabpf | well, suppose you could get a seriously small install with a custom kernel compilation haha |
| 00:22.29 | Ideogroabpf | or not, kernel might be relatively little of that size |
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| 00:22.46 | Ideogroabpf | still a byte or two smaller still |
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| 00:23.06 | rizzler | yeah, I considered not even checking the standard system package on install, but I think i'd get irritated whenever I had to add all the little things you take for granted in a base system :) |
| 00:23.34 | Ideogroabpf | jpinx-eeepc the regular live cd iso useful at all for trying what you suggested jpinx-eeepc |
| 00:23.48 | Ideogroabpf | yep |
| 00:24.00 | nsadmin | Ideogroabpf: the thing is the stock kernels have pretty much everythign modulized that can be, so the image is pretty small |
| 00:24.27 | Ideogroabpf | mmmmm, image? |
| 00:24.44 | Ideogroabpf | ah was just talking about installation sizes a sec before |
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| 00:25.11 | nsadmin | remember that installation can be into many partitions |
| 00:25.23 | nsadmin | depending on what's mounted where |
| 00:26.08 | Ideogroabpf | well, won't be installing anything right now, unles I do the installed on stick drive experiment |
| 00:26.17 | Ideogroabpf | have to go buy a hard drive first |
| 00:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | rizzler: I did my net install with nothing |
| 00:26.27 | jpinx-eeepc | it was no big deal and came out smaller |
| 00:26.57 | Ideogroabpf | well, suppose one should read the standard sys package contains to figure out what it gives |
| 00:26.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: do the install ona stick for now |
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| 00:27.06 | jpinx-eeepc | it'll be good practice ;) |
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| 00:27.34 | rizzler | how big is the system without even standard package? |
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| 00:28.13 | nsadmin | rizzler: you probably mean the base, and I only know the compressed size is about 150 mb |
| 00:28.42 | iskari | Guys, if i may interject something: I am in love! with debian, infact so much so, that i removed windows all together |
| 00:28.43 | Ideogroabpf | I'm wondering right now if installing onto the stick would work with the web install |
| 00:28.53 | Ideogroabpf | cause that's smaller to download to start off |
| 00:29.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: get the usb installer and the install onto a usb |
| 00:29.24 | nsadmin | well that's more than just the base, it's the size of a netinstall cd which includes also at least one kernel to boot and the installer |
| 00:29.34 | Ideogroabpf | oh there was that |
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| 00:30.25 | rizzler | yeah, just wondering how much space the bare minimum install takes up after install |
| 00:30.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: As long as your bios supports usb booting |
| 00:30.29 | Ideogroabpf | but... isn't the usb installer designed to install *from* usb. shouldn't it make no difference if the target is unusual this time around |
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| 00:30.54 | Ideogroabpf | I'd have to reboot to check, can't remember |
| 00:30.57 | nsadmin | iskari: glad you have somethign you like |
| 00:31.15 | iskari | but i do have one small problem, if anyone would be able to assist me with my wlan i would be eternaly greatful.. thats the only thing i cant seem to get up on my own |
| 00:31.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: try it and see - it is extemely obvious at the partitioning stage of the installation process |
| 00:31.42 | Ideogroabpf | eh, what is? |
| 00:32.02 | nsadmin | iskari: ifconfig wlan0 |
| 00:32.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: what's available for you to install debian onto |
| 00:32.10 | nsadmin | iskari: error? paragraph? |
| 00:32.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: it'll only offer you what it can use |
| 00:32.52 | iskari | nsadmin: it has not detected it at all... its a intel wlan card.. one sec, and ill find out what make and model |
| 00:33.08 | Ideogroabpf | oh yeah, isn't there a separate windows installer? damn it |
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| 00:33.26 | Ideogroabpf | I should have re-read the instlalation related docu before taking up this conversation haha |
| 00:33.43 | Ideogroabpf | but sorry I have no idea what you mean |
| 00:33.48 | nsadmin | Ideogroabpf: you can still do that... |
| 00:33.58 | Ideogroabpf | when I'm in windows connection to the usb works of course |
| 00:34.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I reckon you need to do some basic reading;) |
| 00:34.19 | nsadmin | pretty obvious you're connected |
| 00:34.22 | nsadmin | since you're here |
| 00:34.30 | Ideogroabpf | that's the internet... |
| 00:34.41 | Ideogroabpf | that is connected -aswell- yes |
| 00:34.54 | nsadmin | right, and you can read the install guide and the release notes from there |
| 00:35.06 | Ideogroabpf | ah yes you were being whimsical :D |
| 00:35.21 | iskari | nsadmin: Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 5100/5300 (and yes, my wired works like theres no tomorrow, but my wlan is the death :S wich is sad.. |
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| 00:35.38 | Ideogroabpf | well thanks for all the cool ideas jpinx-eeepc. but I couldn't really put it all together |
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| 00:35.46 | nsadmin | iskari: so you have debian installed |
| 00:36.01 | iskari | nsadmin: yes, lenny 502 |
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| 00:36.25 | nsadmin | iskari: try ifconfig wlan0 |
| 00:36.33 | nsadmin | do you get a paragraph or error? |
| 00:36.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: ok - no problem. Watch the wiki pages |
| 00:37.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: I'll do it during the coming week or so and document it |
| 00:37.10 | Ideogroabpf | I guess I'll abandon the flash install for the week cause it'd work as a a rom boot anyway |
| 00:37.36 | iskari | nsadmin: wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 00:37.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: watch http://wiki.debian.org/JohnPinkerton for a page about it soon... |
| 00:37.49 | nsadmin | ok, so no driver. |
| 00:37.59 | iskari | nsadmin: indeedy |
| 00:38.03 | nsadmin | lspci -n |
| 00:38.04 | Ideogroabpf | mustn't spend time on figuring it out this month anyway, just have to get debian figured out and working, no need for the experimenting |
| 00:38.11 | nsadmin | and you look at that |
| 00:38.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: download the latest live then and put it on your USB |
| 00:38.31 | nsadmin | what's the lspci invocation that shows devices and kernel modules? |
| 00:39.12 | Ideogroabpf | why not cd? |
| 00:39.13 | iskari | i got alot of stuff up there, seems like my mmc reader is dead too, but screw that i dont own a memory card anyway.. oh this is a laptop btw |
| 00:39.25 | bpun | themill, thanks for mentioning to me about smtptls, but my isp uses no encryption.. (message error is still: "SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server") |
| 00:40.31 | Ideogroabpf | it'll be just as amnesiac on the flash, would it not |
| 00:40.34 | bpun | i even uncommented the 3 lines from .reportbugrc .. seems to me reportbug has a bug in itself.. unless there are other headers i can try to include to send.. |
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| 00:40.52 | bpun | nsadmin, -k |
| 00:41.01 | nsadmin | thanks |
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| 00:41.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Ideogroabpf: yes - cd or usb - your choice |
| 00:41.50 | nsadmin | hmm, I don't seem to have a -k |
| 00:41.54 | nsadmin | let's see if he does |
| 00:42.05 | iskari | nsadmin: and for the record im using the standard kernel.. 2.6.26 (i think) |
| 00:42.42 | nsadmin | iskari: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 00:42.56 | bpun | xclip works good too :) |
| 00:43.32 | nsadmin | iskari: (lspci -n ; echo "====----====" ; lspci -k) | pastebinit |
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| 00:44.01 | nsadmin | bpun: I;ll look at that :) thanks |
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| 00:45.12 | jnewt | ifup wlan0; SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory; failed to bruing up wlan0; how to fix? |
| 00:45.44 | iskari | that just gave me all the numbers from lspci, and the options for pastebinit |
| 00:45.53 | iskari | copy+paste=failed? |
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| 00:47.51 | bpun | xclip allows something as-> $echo a | xclip (then use middle mouse button in gedit or any other X app, to paste) |
| 00:47.53 | nsadmin | options? did you copy that line exactly? |
| 00:48.00 | iskari | what i dont understand is why in gods name does the bluetooth work, but not the wlan.. |
| 00:48.03 | iskari | yes |
| 00:48.14 | iskari | ill even do it again, just to make sure |
| 00:48.20 | nsadmin | hmm. so pastebinit no longer works properly |
| 00:48.47 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps i got a question, i need to display a html page on my desktop.. i am using gnome |
| 00:48.49 | bbelt16ag | something that can do html dhtml and maybe java script would be ok... |
| 00:49.06 | bbelt16ag | i got me a weather custome webpage i need to display. |
| 00:49.08 | iskari | nsadmin: is there anything that ever does anymore? :P |
| 00:49.30 | nsadmin | of course... otherwise bill wouldn't be so nervous |
| 00:49.34 | bpun | bbelt16ag, u want to render a webpage as a picture on your desktop (with desktop icons) ? |
| 00:49.37 | iskari | nsadmin: hehe |
| 00:50.05 | bbelt16ag | no i would like to click it. |
| 00:50.08 | bbelt16ag | i got buttons on it |
| 00:50.16 | iskari | bbelt16ag: like oldschool windows 98 "homepage as a background" thingy? |
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| 00:50.22 | bpun | bbelt16ag, i dont see how this is a debian question |
| 00:50.24 | bbelt16ag | something like that |
| 00:50.32 | bbelt16ag | its for debian /gnome |
| 00:50.36 | bbelt16ag | using debian system? |
| 00:51.02 | bbelt16ag | ok gonna go ask in gnome too |
| 00:51.03 | iskari | nothing to do with the system, more like the window manager id guess |
| 00:51.06 | bpun | bbelt16ag, drag from the url (firefox) to the desktop |
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| 00:51.18 | bbelt16ag | eh? |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: maybe look at the gdesklets .. not sure though |
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| 00:51.53 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 00:52.07 | bpun | bbelt16ag, the web address, there's a little square on its very left (in firefox), drag that to the desktop |
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| 00:52.38 | iskari | nsadmin: found something about updating my kernel to 2.6.30+ but im not that "skilled" yet.. afraid i might turn my computer in to a paperweight |
| 00:52.52 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 00:52.54 | bbelt16ag | then what bpun |
| 00:53.10 | bpun | bbelt16ag, that should make a click button |
| 00:53.19 | bbelt16ag | yes... |
| 00:53.21 | nsadmin | iskari you using grub? |
| 00:53.31 | iskari | nsadmin: yes i am |
| 00:53.35 | bpun | bbelt16ag, well more like a link button -- which firefox opens that url |
| 00:53.37 | bpun | !url |
| 00:53.38 | dpkg | i heard url is the Uniform Resource Locator, also mistakenly called Universal Resource Locator. This is used to give Web addresses for HTML, VRML, WAV and other files. It simply contains the Internet name of the machine containing the data and the path to the file. Much like the UNC, except specifically for the Internet. The address also includes the protocol to be used. or the name of the original infobot on EFnet, or pronounced "earl" by the weird |
| 00:54.03 | iskari | nsadmin: stopped using lilo back in redhat 6.2 when i last layed my hands on linux |
| 00:54.07 | nsadmin | ok, you could install that kernel... if you do, you'll have the option to boot the new or the original |
| 00:54.12 | bpun | bbelt16ag, url is another word used for web address |
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| 00:54.21 | bpun | (or rather acronym) |
| 00:54.36 | craigevil | iskari: backports has 2.6.30 |
| 00:54.43 | iskari | nsadmin: yes, i know i could, but i have no idea how to config a kernel... (yes, laugh at the noob) |
| 00:54.58 | nsadmin | so at worst your computer would be a paperweight only half the time, and by your choice |
| 00:55.23 | nsadmin | iskari: just install the package... it's already built |
| 00:55.37 | iskari | true.. oh well, might as well have a go, only had 16 redbull.. |
| 00:55.50 | adb | dpkg: tell iskari about bpo |
| 00:55.53 | nsadmin | ugh, sugar shock... |
| 00:56.13 | bbelt16ag | yes i know that ... |
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| 00:56.41 | iskari | nsadmin: how? sorry for the complete noobness, but i thought i had to get one from ftp.kernel.org, then build the whole thing from scratch |
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| 00:57.03 | nsadmin | no, you can get one from debian backports |
| 00:57.09 | bbelt16ag | i dont see any gdesklets addons for html |
| 00:57.11 | nsadmin | !backports |
| 00:57.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 00:57.39 | iskari | nsadmin: thank you man, i tip my bonnet at thee |
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| 00:58.20 | munchk | screw this!!! |
| 00:58.24 | munchk | im out of here |
| 00:58.32 | munchk | hope you are happy now |
| 00:58.35 | nsadmin | iskari: at best, we'll only laugh and tease you when we know you better... |
| 00:58.44 | nsadmin | :) |
| 00:59.46 | iskari | hehe |
| 01:00.15 | nsadmin | someoen hopes we are happy! |
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| 01:00.20 | nsadmin | yay! |
| 01:00.22 | iskari | nsadmin: one more stupid question, what should i "get" as in "apt-get install insert wisdom here" |
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| 01:00.42 | nsadmin | that part I dunno... but you have to add the backport source first |
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| 01:00.58 | iskari | nsadmin: Done that =) |
| 01:01.05 | nsadmin | and updated? |
| 01:01.13 | iskari | check and check |
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| 01:01.38 | nsadmin | ok, try this... apt-cache search 2.6.30 |
| 01:02.04 | iskari | oooh! found alot.. |
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| 01:02.27 | iskari | will pick my arch and install, then reboot, get the headers etc, right? |
| 01:03.01 | nsadmin | you may or may not need headers; might as well install them |
| 01:03.26 | iskari | gonna pick the "patch" seems my safest bet |
| 01:03.36 | nsadmin | patch? |
| 01:04.22 | iskari | "linux-patch-debian-2.6.30 - debian patches to version bla bla bla" |
| 01:04.36 | nsadmin | nono, linux-image-etc |
| 01:04.41 | nsadmin | that's for source |
| 01:04.54 | iskari | oh, ok.. snagging the image then |
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| 01:06.50 | iskari | its lying to me. it says its already running the newest one, (the plot thickens) |
| 01:07.11 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r say |
| 01:07.35 | iskari | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:07.53 | nsadmin | ok, so that's not the one you want |
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| 01:08.29 | nsadmin | does lspci -k show your device? |
| 01:08.34 | iskari | there are some images here, but they all have a bpo.1 thing attached.. and im not sure about that :S |
| 01:08.50 | iskari | yes, it does |
| 01:08.51 | nsadmin | that's the backported version |
| 01:09.03 | iskari | ahh, so thats the one i want right? |
| 01:09.14 | nsadmin | wait one sec |
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| 01:09.44 | nsadmin | does the lspci listing you just made show which kernel module? |
| 01:09.48 | iskari | nsadmin: 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
| 01:10.12 | iskari | thats what lspci is telling me about the wlan thingy |
| 01:10.20 | nsadmin | lspci -k |
| 01:10.50 | iskari | yes.. that gave me that output.. |
| 01:10.50 | iskari | ahh |
| 01:10.50 | nsadmin | and there should be more output |
| 01:10.50 | iskari | and tg3 |
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| 01:11.00 | iskari | yenta_socket |
| 01:11.13 | nsadmin | that's the pcmcia slot |
| 01:11.16 | iskari | ye |
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| 01:11.19 | iskari | saw that now |
| 01:12.20 | nsadmin | let's try this: lspci -k | pastebinit |
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| 01:13.14 | iskari | same as before, pastebinit wont bring the love |
| 01:13.59 | nsadmin | ok, let's try another way |
| 01:14.26 | nsadmin | lspci -k | xclip |
| 01:14.49 | iskari | no xclip.. allow me to install |
| 01:15.23 | nsadmin | at least we're learning stuff |
| 01:15.36 | iskari | ok.. that did something.. not sure what but it did something :S |
| 01:15.46 | nsadmin | but WHY is pastebinit not working?! |
| 01:16.02 | nsadmin | ok, so now your middle button is loaded... don't fire it! |
| 01:16.10 | iskari | haha |
| 01:16.16 | nsadmin | pull up a web browser, go to rafb.net/paste |
| 01:16.57 | iskari | "has been discontinued" |
| 01:17.10 | nsadmin | wow, end of an era... |
| 01:17.20 | nsadmin | !pastebin |
| 01:17.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 01:17.28 | nsadmin | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:18.02 | nsadmin | !bugs pastebinit |
| 01:18.04 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
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| 01:19.38 | iskari | nsadmin: there pasted, http://paste.debian.net/42175 |
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| 01:21.14 | nsadmin | so it doesn't show the module |
| 01:21.36 | iskari | no, it just mumbles something about "tg3" |
| 01:21.57 | iskari | but i guess thats not the same thing now is it |
| 01:22.12 | nsadmin | ok, lspci -nn | xclip |
| 01:22.15 | nsadmin | and paste that |
| 01:22.31 | nsadmin | no, that's your wired eth driver |
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| 01:22.56 | nsadmin | which is working |
| 01:23.18 | iskari | there, its up now |
| 01:23.25 | nsadmin | url? |
| 01:23.28 | iskari | my eth is working like a charm |
| 01:23.35 | iskari | nsadmin: there pasted, http://paste.debian.net/42176 |
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| 01:24.07 | iskari | sneaking to the balcony for a quick smoke, one eye on the monitor though |
| 01:24.09 | Ideogroabpf | jpinx-eeepc some of the information is already written http://live.debian.net/manual/html/ch03s03.html#id2482586 |
| 01:24.14 | nsadmin | !pci 8086:4232 |
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| 01:24.21 | nsadmin | how do you do that |
| 01:24.39 | adb | judd: pciid 8086:4232 |
| 01:24.41 | judd | adb: [8086:4232] is 'Wireless WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4232 |
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| 01:25.20 | nsadmin | judd, versions linux-image |
| 01:25.21 | judd | nsadmin: linux-image -- |
| 01:26.01 | nsadmin | what aer the kernels in sid? and does this backported .30 have iwlagn? |
| 01:26.23 | iskari | im back now =) |
| 01:26.59 | no_maam | iwlagn is in .30 vanilla |
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| 01:27.42 | nsadmin | excellent, so it should be in the backported .30 too |
| 01:27.52 | nsadmin | also it goes back to .27 |
| 01:28.58 | nsadmin | iskari: apt-cache search 2.6.30 | xclip |
| 01:29.00 | nsadmin | and paste that |
| 01:29.09 | konr | how can i prevent user 'foo' from seeing /home/bar? |
| 01:29.32 | adb | /lib/modules/2.6.30-bpo.1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko |
| 01:29.48 | nsadmin | bar should chmod 750 /home/bar |
| 01:30.16 | iskari | nsadmin: there pasted, http://paste.debian.net/42177 |
| 01:30.36 | nsadmin | iskari: what's the output of arch? |
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| 01:31.00 | iskari | 686 i guess.. its a intel.. |
| 01:31.24 | nsadmin | but what's the output? exact text |
| 01:32.02 | jmarsden | konr: chmod 0700 /home/bar # Makes it accessible only by whoever owns /home/bar (and root of course). |
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| 01:32.19 | iskari | for my current kernel? |
| 01:32.33 | nsadmin | just type arch hit enter |
| 01:32.49 | adb | bash: arch: command not found < here |
| 01:32.51 | nsadmin | also need your uname -r again |
| 01:32.52 | iskari | command not found :P |
| 01:33.00 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 01:33.10 | konr | jmarsden: why the 0 before the 700? |
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| 01:33.16 | nsadmin | octal |
| 01:33.23 | iskari | but the uname -r is: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:33.34 | nsadmin | ok, so... |
| 01:33.56 | nsadmin | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 01:34.09 | jmarsden | konr: 0700 is in octal, base 8. Setting permissions to decimal seven hundred would be very strange... |
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| 01:34.57 | nsadmin | I wonder if chmod assumes octal |
| 01:34.57 | iskari | ok... downloading now.. |
| 01:34.57 | iskari | done :P |
| 01:35.00 | nsadmin | all set up? |
| 01:35.15 | nsadmin | got your prompt back? |
| 01:35.37 | iskari | yes, but it gave me a possible missing firmware for tg3 now.. :S |
| 01:35.56 | nsadmin | hmm, did you need firmware before? |
| 01:36.17 | iskari | no, this deb is a clean install straight from the disk |
| 01:36.37 | nsadmin | I mean, you didn't have to deal with firmware when you installed debian? |
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| 01:36.43 | iskari | nope |
| 01:37.03 | nsadmin | ok... reboot into it (notice you have choice when you boot) |
| 01:37.17 | iskari | kk.. brb.. |
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| 01:37.24 | nsadmin | -do not- uninstall the other kernel :) |
| 01:37.44 | iskari | wont, dont know how too either for that matter, but ye.. back in a flash |
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| 01:38.16 | bpun | how do i disable reportbug from smtp encryption? |
| 01:39.21 | bpun | reportbug has a bug |
| 01:39.23 | bpun | :) |
| 01:39.26 | jnewt | ifup wlan0; SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory; failed to bruing up wlan0; anyone know what this means, i have found many questions about this through google, but no good answers just yet. |
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| 01:40.16 | adb | jnewt: firmware are ok? |
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| 01:40.47 | nsadmin | iskari: uname -r |
| 01:41.13 | iskari | nsadmin: its the correct one |
| 01:41.23 | jnewt | adb: i have seen that asked many times too, but no one explains how to verfiy it is "ok", or what to do if it is not, do you know how? |
| 01:41.37 | nsadmin | ok, try this: modprobe iwlagn |
| 01:41.38 | petemc | bpun: the problem must be with your underlying mail system, no? |
| 01:41.43 | iskari | nsadmin: but no fglrx, so my whole desktop is choppy :P |
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| 01:42.09 | nsadmin | you're going to have to build that again |
| 01:42.10 | adb | iskari: forget fglrx for now |
| 01:42.18 | nsadmin | but not now |
| 01:42.25 | iskari | nsadmin: no errors and no output, that seems like a good thing right? |
| 01:42.33 | nsadmin | right... |
| 01:42.38 | nsadmin | ifconfig wlan0 |
| 01:42.44 | nsadmin | paragraph? error? |
| 01:43.13 | iskari | nope, just says link encap: ethernet |
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| 01:43.27 | nsadmin | so paragraoh? |
| 01:43.32 | iskari | wich sort of has a weird taste to it.. |
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| 01:43.46 | adb | jnewt: follow nsadmin |
| 01:43.59 | iskari | ye.. guess you can call it that, small fence of text in my eyes |
| 01:44.01 | nsadmin | yep, I'm going to Swigbar! |
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| 01:44.27 | nsadmin | iskari ok, your wireless driver is present |
| 01:44.41 | nsadmin | we just need to make that permanent... |
| 01:44.51 | nsadmin | try this: apt-get install modconf |
| 01:44.57 | iskari | nsadmin: thanks, i did a iwconfig afterwards and it said it was there =) |
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| 01:45.21 | iskari | ok, its installing |
| 01:45.23 | nsadmin | also, modprobe -r iwlagn |
| 01:45.59 | iskari | done and done |
| 01:46.06 | nsadmin | the idea with modconf, is you're going to somehow find iwlagn and install it |
| 01:46.13 | nsadmin | run modconf and try |
| 01:46.16 | iskari | k |
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| 01:48.07 | iskari | found "wireless" lots of places but nothing about iwlagn |
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| 01:49.08 | iskari | nsadmin: nvm, i found it ^^ just needed to open my eyes |
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| 01:50.04 | nsadmin | iskari installed it too? |
| 01:50.16 | iskari | nsadmin: yep |
| 01:50.20 | nsadmin | ok, reboot |
| 01:50.25 | jnewt | ok, ifconfig wlan0 shows information on the card, so the firmware should be good, so where to go from here? |
| 01:50.39 | nsadmin | we're testing that |
| 01:50.49 | iskari | will do, after i get the headers and get my ati card up again, or my eyes will bleed |
| 01:51.08 | nsadmin | oh ok, can't have no bleeding eyes... sheesh :) |
| 01:51.28 | jnewt | wmaster0 shows Link encap: UNSPEC... |
| 01:51.42 | bpun | petemc, i dpkg-reconfigured exim again.. still i get SMTP send failure :( |
| 01:52.16 | nsadmin | iskari: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0019IAEUS/ref=asc_df_B0019IAEUS848037?smid=A3TWP7WGE8FJF1&tag=shopzilla_rev_1418-20&linkCode=asn |
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| 01:53.33 | bpun | petemc, i think it works now.. |
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| 01:54.45 | adb | jnewt: ignore wmaster0 . wlan0 is important for now |
| 01:54.48 | iskari | nsadmin: ye, something like that... 4AM in norway so my eyes are actually hurting abit |
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| 01:55.18 | rhodan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.17 | nsadmin | iskari: try this... apt-get install module-assistant |
| 01:57.05 | adb | rhodan: nothing , long trying |
| 01:57.11 | iskari | already installed, nsadmin |
| 01:57.19 | nsadmin | rhodan: gets stuck |
| 01:57.29 | nsadmin | iskari: ok, run m-a |
| 01:57.36 | jnewt | adb: ok, where does the soicsifflags mean? there are many stabs at possible answers, but no one seems to know what this means... is it a hardware setting, a file that may be missing from my system or corrupt... |
| 01:57.38 | iskari | anyway, rebooting now.. to test the wlan.. after the m-a |
| 01:57.45 | iskari | ok.. |
| 01:57.54 | rhodan | ok thx |
| 01:57.56 | iskari | got a blue menu box screeny |
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| 01:58.05 | nsadmin | beeny? |
| 01:58.19 | nsadmin | oh, sorry, </rhyme> |
| 01:58.25 | rhodan | it's an obscure french adsl gateway. i can't reach it's configuration interface |
| 01:58.49 | iskari | nsadmin: yes, the linux rap... im gonna wright that song one day |
| 01:59.08 | adb | jnewt: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/siocsifflags-no-such-file-or-directory-184147/ |
| 01:59.38 | nsadmin | iskari: do the update then prepare |
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| 02:00.54 | rhodan | namely, the known gpl violator "freebox" |
| 02:01.00 | rhodan | oh how i hate that thing |
| 02:01.24 | iskari | nsadmin: everything went of without a hitch |
| 02:01.35 | nsadmin | iskari: ok, select |
| 02:01.51 | nsadmin | and you're looking for fglrx, radeon and radeonhd |
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| 02:02.28 | adb | lspci -nn| grep VGA |
| 02:02.44 | iskari | nsadmin: fglrx-kernel, right? ye.. seems logical |
| 02:03.03 | nsadmin | iskari: yeah, I didn't find any radeon* in my list |
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| 02:03.33 | iskari | neither did i, so i guess the fglrx-kernel is correct, ill select that one |
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| 02:03.39 | jnewt | adb: am i missing something here? those seem to say he has a firmware problem or a naming problem in /etc/firmware. i don't have an /etc/firmware directory, this isn't fedora (it's debian lenny) and my is showing up in ifconfig -a... |
| 02:03.49 | nsadmin | cool, then you should get another dialog |
| 02:04.06 | nsadmin | try doing get |
| 02:04.11 | iskari | kk |
| 02:04.20 | iskari | failed |
| 02:04.21 | adb | jnewt: /lib/firmware ... |
| 02:04.38 | nsadmin | hmm... why would it fail |
| 02:05.13 | iskari | no idea, i even installed the correct "headers" |
| 02:05.39 | iskari | but it is a proprietary driver from ati you know :S |
| 02:05.41 | jnewt | oh, ok, nothing in there, so how is my card recognized without a driver...something doesn't add up to me here... |
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| 02:05.57 | jnewt | errr...without firmware. |
| 02:06.14 | nsadmin | ok, let's switch then, back all the way out, exit the program, reboot. when you come back, you're going to try ifconfig wlan0 when it comes back |
| 02:06.28 | iskari | nsadmin: ok, brb |
| 02:06.28 | adb | jnewt: lspci -nn| grep WI |
| 02:06.34 | nsadmin | if that works, it's inserting the driver every boot |
| 02:06.47 | iskari | kk |
| 02:06.54 | jnewt | adb: nothing |
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| 02:07.32 | adb | jnewt: no wifi at all .. |
| 02:07.51 | jnewt | lspci -nn shows an entry for network controller broadcoom bcm4306 801.11b/g... |
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| 02:08.16 | jnewt | adb: yes, there is no wifi connection. |
| 02:08.22 | amphi | !bcm43xx |
| 02:08.23 | dpkg | [bcm43xx] the old driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux at 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy>. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 02:08.24 | adb | jnewt: lspci -nn| grep Wi . my error sorry |
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| 02:09.08 | adb | !b43 |
| 02:09.08 | dpkg | [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:09.14 | jnewt | yeah, shows an entry for broadcom Corporation wifi card. |
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| 02:09.56 | adb | jnewt: ^^ it's for you |
| 02:10.09 | iskari | nsadmin: its working like a charm now, now its back to getting the gfx back to what it was |
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| 02:11.29 | nsadmin | iskari: which part is working? |
| 02:11.38 | iskari | nsadmin: the wlan |
| 02:11.56 | iskari | nsadmin: but not my gfx... lol.. if its not one its the other... |
| 02:12.04 | nsadmin | ok, so you have your driver, that's really all I know how to do... |
| 02:12.15 | nsadmin | try this: apt-get install fglrx-source |
| 02:12.45 | iskari | nsadmin: no problem, ill muck about with the ati drivers myself, atleast i got my wlan working, thanks alot, dude, your a trooper |
| 02:13.07 | jnewt | adb: so ta!wl |
| 02:13.20 | jnewt | !wl |
| 02:13.20 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
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| 02:14.09 | nsadmin | iskari: if you're ever near san francisco, you could buy me a water :) |
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| 02:14.22 | uman | Hi, how long should it take about for Debian installer to resize a 100gb partition of which 35gb is used to 50gb? |
| 02:14.35 | uman | It's been at it for over an hour... is it likely hung? |
| 02:14.50 | iskari | nsadmin: hah, not allowed to travel in the states, got a busted for possesion in norway, they dont like me for that... |
| 02:15.37 | nsadmin | damn, I'll die of thirst! |
| 02:15.59 | nsadmin | and it's all your fault, getting busted like that :P |
| 02:16.04 | bpun | my firefox doesn't open when i click 'open link in browser (xchat) :/ |
| 02:16.15 | uman | iskari: you can't enter the United States because you committed a minor crime in Norway? |
| 02:16.20 | uman | That seems pretty fucked |
| 02:16.32 | iskari | nsadmin: heck, im sure if i do some borderjumping from mexico ill be alright ^^ |
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| 02:17.17 | iskari | ye, i know, stupid marihuana laws... why even have a law against that... but then again, this is neither the time nor the place for that discussion |
| 02:17.27 | nsadmin | yep |
| 02:17.37 | nsadmin | so did you try installing fglrx-source? |
| 02:18.14 | nsadmin | actually you could see if radeon would work... what 3d stuff are you doing and what card do you have? |
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| 02:18.56 | adb | bpun: xchat here open epiphany as browser |
| 02:18.58 | iskari | i tried installing the drivers from www.ati.com but its a no go... im fiddeling with it now |
| 02:19.50 | bpun | adb, what do u have in settints/advanced/url handlers? |
| 02:20.29 | adb | opera ... |
| 02:20.53 | adb | open link in C |
| 02:20.53 | bpun | adb, so maybe 'open link browser' is defaulting to epiphany? |
| 02:21.03 | adb | i guess |
| 02:21.28 | adb | is default here |
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| 02:22.50 | adb | bpun: browser is named epiphany-gecko |
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| 02:24.01 | bpun | i have it working, but the first 'open link in browser', does nothing, and my second entry works now that i modified an url handler entry (xchat) |
| 02:26.10 | iskari | ballsack! it says something about dpkg-buildpackage failure then it wimps out on me... but im not done yet. |
| 02:26.14 | bpun | ok, prob solved, changed a default setting with gnome-control-center :) |
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| 02:28.40 | iskari | anyway.. going to bed... need my sleep... before the sun comes up and fries my room like a mickyD chip |
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| 02:28.57 | iskari | gnite,yall, ill be back tomorrow to bother you some more |
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| 02:56.19 | sanmarcos | how can I trigger an audio beep on my computer? |
| 02:56.45 | abrotman | !beep |
| 02:56.45 | dpkg | hmm... beep is echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ask me about <bell>. |
| 02:57.08 | rahsputin | where can i find sarge floppy images? |
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| 02:57.54 | abrotman | !bf |
| 02:57.55 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>. |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | !cd archive |
| 02:58.01 | dpkg | A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | !archive |
| 02:58.04 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | last one i think :) |
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| 02:58.56 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I've meant a hardware beep, to call it from my program |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you probably want to ask a C programming channel or whatever language it is |
| 02:59.23 | Ideogroabpf | I bet this is an incredibly simple procedure but I can't find documentation for what to do with a debianLive cd ISO |
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| 03:00.08 | abrotman | Ideogroabpf: burn it to a CD |
| 03:00.28 | Ideogroabpf | no extra trickery |
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| 03:01.05 | Ideogroabpf | nice, oftc.net doesn't like big port numbers |
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| 03:01.41 | abrotman | Ideogroabpf: burn it as an image ?> |
| 03:02.36 | Ideogroabpf | might have never done whole image burning before, can't recall. if I quit then I've gone to reboot for success |
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| 03:03.26 | bpun | does "Package:" start in the message header or starts as part of the message body? |
| 03:03.49 | enouf | whoopee |
| 03:03.58 | bpun | nm |
| 03:04.02 | enouf | honey, i'm home |
| 03:04.04 | adb | wb enouf |
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| 03:04.17 | enouf | tyvm adb |
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| 03:04.27 | enouf | dpkg: it's good to see you |
| 03:04.28 | dpkg | enouf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:05.00 | enouf | no dpkg, i cannot |
| 03:05.00 | adb | !congratulate enouf |
| 03:05.01 | dpkg | Yay enouf, you did it! |
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| 03:07.21 | enouf | !nuke all ISPs world wide for overcharging for Internet access--and not providing ala-carte services |
| 03:07.21 | dpkg | fires an 80 exaton thermonuclear weapon at all ISPs world wide for overcharging for Internet access--and not providing ala-carte services |
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| 03:18.40 | uman | dpkg: you forgot to mention blocking useful ports |
| 03:18.40 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 03:19.00 | uman | like 80 so I can't run a webserver from my house |
| 03:19.08 | uman | and 22 so I can't host my own mail |
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| 03:20.52 | uman | s/dpkg/enouf/ |
| 03:21.01 | adb | heh |
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| 03:22.12 | jnewt | ok, i think i have the firmware installed on my linksys wireless card, i can ping it's address, however, i cannot ping the router, and this:iwconfig essid "[ESSID]" returns unknown command "[ESSID]" |
| 03:22.16 | enouf | just needs to enter the WiFi era so i can get access anywhere, at anytime |
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| 03:23.20 | enouf | !wifi howto |
| 03:23.20 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 03:23.41 | Mikaze | No! |
| 03:23.49 | uman | !nuke resize2fs for breaking my partition |
| 03:23.49 | dpkg | fires a 100 ton thermonuclear weapon at resize2fs for breaking my partition |
| 03:23.59 | uman | only 100 tons? fuck that |
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| 03:25.52 | Mikaze | wants a Danish. |
| 03:26.06 | Mikaze | Or a Swede. |
| 03:26.36 | adb | jnewt: put `iface wlan0 inet dhcp ` and new line `wireless-essid any` in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:30.22 | enouf | jnewt: [ESSID] is the way unices denote "replace with correct information/data" |
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| 03:32.15 | enouf | adb: might want to consider not using backticks (``) instead of single quotes ('') |
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| 03:33.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:37.20 | jnewt | enouf: so my network name is home, so i did iwconfig essid "home" and still, unknown command "home" |
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| 03:37.56 | jnewt | i left the quotes this time, so that i only replaced [ESSID] |
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| 03:38.58 | jnewt | ah, iwconfig wlan0 essid "home" works. |
| 03:39.13 | adb | wireless-essid home |
| 03:40.16 | jnewt | ok, i am good, just need to get the info into interfaces now. thanks guys. |
| 03:41.20 | jnewt | :) that wasn't nearly as painful as i thought it would be... |
| 03:41.52 | CcSsNET | anyone else notice a hugh issue with flash player on linux in genral lately |
| 03:42.01 | CcSsNET | installer simply not working |
| 03:42.10 | CcSsNET | dumbass coder basically |
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| 03:42.51 | CcSsNET | the .gz version of the isntaller complains about glibc version hahaha. and the deb version destroys apt |
| 03:44.22 | jnewt | is there a need to store the wep key somewhere so that at power up it is used ? |
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| 03:54.20 | jnewt | ok, network is good, now a network drive question, i added a cifs mount to fstab, fstab -a returns error that i might need a helper program. i obviously have this "helper program" on my other computer, because i don't get the error. any ideas what i could be? |
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| 03:56.20 | jmarsden | jnewt: /sbin/mount.cifs |
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| 03:57.38 | jnewt | jmarsden: doesn't exist. i don't remember having to add / modify this file before. |
| 03:57.58 | jmarsden | jnewt: Does it exist on the other machine? :) |
| 03:58.04 | jnewt | sure enough though, it is on the other machine.... |
| 03:58.29 | jnewt | vi 'd it, it is full of unreadable stuff. |
| 03:58.31 | jmarsden | Try installing the smbfs package |
| 03:58.36 | jmarsden | It is a binary... :) |
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| 03:59.15 | jmarsden | In general, use file /path/to/interestingfilename to check what kind of thing it is, before trying to edit it :) |
| 04:00.10 | jnewt | sounds like a good idea, ok, smbfs installed, am i going to have to set up samba for this to work... |
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| 04:00.39 | jmarsden | You are only creating an SMB client, not a Samba server. try the fstab now... |
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| 04:00.59 | jnewt | nope, good to go, thanks jmarsden, i am moving right along with this thing :) |
| 04:01.20 | jmarsden | Good :) |
| 04:01.34 | CcSsNET | anyone know how to fix a broken apt |
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| 04:01.57 | CcSsNET | apt-get -f install is not doign anything nore apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean |
| 04:02.05 | CcSsNET | all error the same way |
| 04:02.31 | CcSsNET | error was caused by current flash player installer |
| 04:02.33 | ZitZ | whats the error? |
| 04:02.48 | adb | fix the sources CcSsNET |
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| 04:03.06 | CcSsNET | adb fix ur opinion lol |
| 04:03.11 | adb | and pinning .. |
| 04:03.27 | CcSsNET | ZitZ ill go get the error brb |
| 04:03.42 | ZitZ | yeah apt update first then start pinning depending on the error |
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| 04:04.07 | adb | CcSsNET: use aptitude instead apt-get |
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| 04:04.32 | deco_ | anyone know what kind of code this is ? 95 202 69 73 75 132 66 249 |
| 04:04.44 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to tell me what's wrong with backport keyring? http://pastebin.com/d601bc379 |
| 04:04.49 | ZitZ | but you should always run update before starting, and most debian users including myself use aptitude, but I used apt-get for years without problems |
| 04:04.52 | CcSsNET | adb i used dpkg -i . . . . |
| 04:05.08 | adb | . . . |
| 04:05.20 | ZitZ | well, that's just asking for problems |
| 04:05.33 | CcSsNET | anyway it claims the package needs to be reinstalled but it cant be found hahaha |
| 04:05.49 | ZitZ | which package? |
| 04:06.04 | CcSsNET | and using the tar.gz version of the flash installer complains about glibc version |
| 04:06.07 | CcSsNET | macromedia flash |
| 04:06.18 | CcSsNET | current version |
| 04:06.29 | adb | current version ? |
| 04:06.31 | ZitZ | are you in testing? |
| 04:06.37 | CcSsNET | yes in testing |
| 04:06.56 | adb | current version is lenny not testing |
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| 04:07.09 | ZitZ | when was the last time you upgraded? |
| 04:07.16 | CcSsNET | its a fresh install |
| 04:07.27 | CcSsNET | why not give advice to something u can actually help with |
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| 04:08.02 | CcSsNET | ok so flash current release"version" doesnt play nice on a fresh debian testing install |
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| 04:08.11 | superjoe | is there a python 3 package in testing yet? |
| 04:08.16 | CcSsNET | either .deb or the gz files |
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| 04:08.23 | superjoe | mmk |
| 04:08.23 | ZitZ | are you on 64 bit or 32? |
| 04:08.24 | adb | CcSsNET: cat /proc/version , says |
| 04:08.31 | CcSsNET | 32 |
| 04:08.35 | CcSsNET | u cant help me |
| 04:08.37 | CcSsNET | stop trying |
| 04:09.04 | CcSsNET | i asked a specific question how do i clear/clean/unbreak apt |
| 04:09.07 | CcSsNET | its unusable |
| 04:09.24 | CcSsNET | due to flash destroying it |
| 04:09.29 | jpinx-eeepc | CcSsNET: you're not going to get much help with that attitude |
| 04:09.56 | CcSsNET | yea probably not but i dont like when people are trying to learn themselfs and try to help |
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| 04:10.16 | CcSsNET | anyway ill just reinstall totally |
| 04:10.23 | CcSsNET | and go back to a prior release of flash |
| 04:10.55 | jpinx-eeepc | CcSsNET: that sounds like a windows users fix |
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| 04:11.00 | CcSsNET | probably |
| 04:11.05 | CcSsNET | but waste less time |
| 04:11.18 | CcSsNET | this is a new issue btw |
| 04:11.25 | CcSsNET | never seen it before |
| 04:11.45 | CcSsNET | ive also decided its poor coding on macromedias side |
| 04:11.47 | jpinx-eeepc | CcSsNET: then make a bug reort |
| 04:11.55 | CcSsNET | to who? lmao |
| 04:11.55 | jpinx-eeepc | *report |
| 04:12.04 | CcSsNET | i am not helping macromedia |
| 04:12.12 | CcSsNET | i hate the fact flash exists in the first place |
| 04:12.23 | CcSsNET | cant wait for html5 to replace it |
| 04:12.24 | adb | jpinx-eeepc: he used adobe tar.gz |
| 04:12.30 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 04:12.31 | CcSsNET | i used both |
| 04:12.40 | CcSsNET | neither work |
| 04:12.47 | ZitZ | actually, it's adobe, and I absolutely hate flash, but html5 is going to have a hard time replacing it |
| 04:12.57 | adb | !flash |
| 04:12.57 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 04:13.22 | ZitZ | and gnash is so hard to get to work at all, and then it doesn't always work |
| 04:13.36 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: he's much too busy to read all that ;) |
| 04:13.47 | CcSsNET | trying to rewrite flash is waste of time imo |
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| 04:15.43 | ZitZ | does totem's youtube plugin use adobe flash? |
| 04:15.50 | CcSsNET | !apt |
| 04:15.50 | dpkg | APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 04:16.00 | CcSsNET | !fix apt |
| 04:16.00 | dpkg | takes apt to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 04:16.09 | CcSsNET | . . . |
| 04:16.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 04:16.25 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 04:16.29 | CcSsNET | bla ill see if i can hunt it down inside aptitude but i dought it |
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| 04:17.38 | CcSsNET | eh nvm found it in like 2 seconds with aptitude hhaha |
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| 04:19.30 | CcSsNET | buuuuut that didnt fix apt. . |
| 04:19.42 | CcSsNET | flash officially breaks apt on debian testing |
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| 04:20.22 | CcSsNET | meh maybe ill just stick to sourcemage linux :P |
| 04:20.31 | CcSsNET | less hassle with package management |
| 04:22.09 | Coweater | you're running testing, things break, flash is a unique situation as well |
| 04:22.37 | CcSsNET | indeed but its never broke before "last 5 years or so" |
| 04:22.48 | CcSsNET | and i only use testing debian as well |
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| 04:24.07 | gh0st3r_ | trying to install hydra and it requires libssh0.11, downloaded libssh0.11, then did the whole 'configure' 'make' 'make install' dance, and then went to install hydra... |
| 04:24.18 | J_Dahmer | I need help switching from one OS to another |
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| 04:24.25 | J_Dahmer | so who the fuck's going to fucking help me? |
| 04:25.03 | Bilbo_Baggins | Nice language...That will get you somewhere. |
| 04:25.13 | enouf | jnewt: generally, i 'less filename' or less `which file` to takes a peak, and as mentioned; "file </path/to/filename>" will usually tell you if it's a shell script or ELF or whatever. Where binaries are concerned, i use 'strings <filename> | less' I suggest you search google of somewhere for 'rute linux' and read |
| 04:25.19 | hark | CcSsNET: how does it break (the debvian package)? |
| 04:25.47 | J_Dahmer | rapes Bilbo_Baggins |
| 04:25.47 | CcSsNET | it renders apt-get anything unusable |
| 04:25.55 | CcSsNET | common broken apt syndrom |
| 04:26.04 | enouf | s/of/or |
| 04:26.05 | hark | ah pebkac? |
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| 04:26.23 | gh0st3r_ | it installs but pops up with this error while installing : "[install] Error 1 (ignored) hydra" but it still installs, creates a binary and i can run the command "hydra" but I get the error: "hydra: error while loading shared libraries: libssh.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"... what can i do to fix this? :P |
| 04:26.25 | hark | omg enouf's back |
| 04:26.36 | Bilbo_Baggins | Isn't profanity against the irc rules? |
| 04:27.05 | J_Dahmer | sodomizes Bilbo_Baggins with a chainsaw |
| 04:27.17 | Coweater | Bilbo_Baggins: no, but trolls are best ignored |
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| 04:28.04 | Bilbo_Baggins | Nod. I've been one from time to time. I also wish to make a truly apologize to all at #debian and other channels that I've been in. |
| 04:28.05 | CcSsNET | i guess ill retry on stable see if same thing happens. if so definate flash caused error |
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| 04:28.21 | J_Dahmer | continues to have sex with Bilbo_Baggins days after he anally bled to death |
| 04:28.27 | enouf | hark: you can't rid of me so easily! :-p |
| 04:29.05 | hark | CcSsNET: it's unlikely that it caused the breakage, the package hasn't been updated since April |
| 04:29.11 | hark | CcSsNET: /msg dpkg bat |
| 04:30.15 | Bilbo_Baggins | ban his whole domain. |
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| 04:30.23 | Ross1 | If I use consolas as my terminal font the spacing is all screwed up. Any ideas why? |
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| 04:31.41 | nsadmin | Ross1: perhaps because that font is not meant for the terminal font? |
| 04:31.59 | Bilbo_Baggins | I realize that Lenny is more stable....(and a WHOLE lot faster on bootup), but what if I want to play with the new toys? Do I pose a threat of breaking the OS? |
| 04:32.00 | Ross1 | well it's monospace, so I don't see why it wont work |
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| 04:32.29 | nsadmin | Bilbo_Baggins: if you backport, no. if you just install the binary package, yes. |
| 04:32.47 | Bilbo_Baggins | Hmmm. Kk. Ty |
| 04:33.09 | nsadmin | and pretty often you don't have to backport yourself |
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| 04:33.26 | Bilbo_Baggins | Say for instance, I want the lastest version of HPLIP, How do I find out if a bin is safe or not to use, before I use it? |
| 04:33.42 | Bilbo_Baggins | Or a .sh for that matter. |
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| 04:34.02 | nsadmin | if you've backported it, it's probably safe. if you haven't, it's not. |
| 04:34.17 | Bilbo_Baggins | Ugh, that is so restrictive... :/ |
| 04:34.34 | nsadmin | it's the way you posed the question |
| 04:35.22 | Bilbo_Baggins | Define backport? I know what a backport is in my repos...but OOOOOOOO I need to run everything through apt so I don't break dependcies! |
| 04:35.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | LIGHTBULB! |
| 04:35.42 | Bilbo_Baggins | Can I make a backport of, say HPLIP? |
| 04:35.56 | nsadmin | if you build stuff yourself, AND you make sure they are installed in places NOT controlled by debinan packaging, they probably won't interfere with debian packaging |
| 04:35.57 | ranix | there is a version of hplip in lenny |
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| 04:36.11 | Bilbo_Baggins | Kk, like my /home dir. |
| 04:36.14 | jmarsden | Bilbo_Baggins: Also, you could/should test the backport on a test machine or test virtual machine, to reassure yourself, before adding arbitrary backports to production machines... |
| 04:36.18 | nsadmin | places like: /usr/local an your home dir |
| 04:36.40 | Ideogroabpf | nice, debian live kde works, but it doesn't recognize my wireless |
| 04:36.50 | nsadmin | you don't play with new toys on production servers. |
| 04:36.52 | nsadmin | period |
| 04:37.21 | Bilbo_Baggins | Is "gentoo" that much faster then Debian? I want to try it too, but I only have one dedicated machine and I don't want to spend 6 hours compiling just to fobar my box. |
| 04:37.42 | ranix | Bilbo_Baggins: that question was inane |
| 04:37.49 | Ideogroabpf | shouldn't http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/pro2200bg/ be like pretty much widespread |
| 04:37.58 | enouf | Bilbo_Baggins: "foobar" |
| 04:38.16 | ranix | enouf: he's going to foobar his box |
| 04:38.19 | ranix | look out |
| 04:38.32 | ranix | the bomb goes off when his cflags kick in |
| 04:38.34 | ranix | vroom vroom |
| 04:38.41 | Bilbo_Baggins | Aww, don't do that. |
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| 04:39.16 | enouf | ranix: so long as it's not mine, fine with me ;-) |
| 04:39.20 | nsadmin | no idea, never tried it. |
| 04:39.20 | nsadmin | are these machines home machines? |
| 04:39.20 | nsadmin | or what/where are they? |
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| 04:39.44 | ranix | maybe that's what happened to the exploding computers in Live Free or Die Hard |
| 04:39.54 | ranix | they emerged too hard |
| 04:39.55 | Bilbo_Baggins | There home machines. Computing is mainly a hobby for me anymore, since I flunked college comp sci as a drunk. |
| 04:40.13 | J_Dahmer | shut up nigger! |
| 04:40.15 | uman | Hello, how can I install the correctly branded firefox on debian? |
| 04:40.37 | craigevil | !greenhouse |
| 04:40.38 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 04:40.38 | nsadmin | apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 04:41.43 | Ideogroabpf | any idea how to set up a driver on a windows hdd for a linux live cd to use? |
| 04:41.51 | Bilbo_Baggins | I've only been running linux since 05', I knew about it in the middle 90's, but I was in HS/College then and used there Unix servers, so didn't care about it too much. |
| 04:42.16 | enouf | Ideogroabpf: huh? |
| 04:42.49 | nsadmin | good, that guy was annoying |
| 04:42.58 | Ideogroabpf | nevermind. Here: the problem is that my debian live doesn't seem to recognise my wireless card |
| 04:43.01 | craigevil | uman: just change the user.agent in about:config, or if you just have to have firefox> http://www.deviceguru.com/adding-real-firefox-to-debian-lenny/ |
| 04:43.23 | uman | craigevil: ty |
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| 04:44.13 | Ideogroabpf | that is, the kde version of live |
| 04:44.35 | Ideogroabpf | and that kde sure looks retro |
| 04:45.08 | hark | Ideogroabpf: what wireless card? |
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| 04:45.16 | uman | I hate using such inferior browsers as firefox anyway, but sometimes I am forced |
| 04:45.39 | Ideogroabpf | well, it seems to be labelled just as an intel pro/wireless 2200BG |
| 04:45.49 | Bilbo_Baggins | What do you define as supieror, uman? I still like lynx. |
| 04:45.56 | uman | elinks |
| 04:46.03 | uman | lynx with tabs, basically |
| 04:46.18 | hark | Ideogroabpf: you just need to install the firmware |
| 04:46.49 | Bilbo_Baggins | =) nod. I love the black screen and txt. Makes me feel happy. :) |
| 04:47.06 | Ideogroabpf | well sure, but I can't install the debian just yet, have to use the live cd for a while |
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| 04:48.01 | hark | Ideogroabpf: you can install things on th livecd. or you can even go to ipw2200.sf.net and get the firmware from there |
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| 04:48.26 | hark | !tell Ideogroabpf about ipw2200 |
| 04:49.13 | hark | foloow the etch method there |
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| 04:50.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | Although, my first linux op was RHEL. I bought it at staples in 2001. LOL (When I had Dialup.). Is there a place where I can go to learn about IPtables and port montering? |
| 04:51.05 | Bilbo_Baggins | If it works for debian, it should work for me....I'm running Lenny's great, great "bastard"grandson, right now. |
| 04:52.03 | nsadmin | http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto |
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| 04:52.56 | nsadmin | did iskari ever get fglrx working under .30? |
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| 04:53.36 | subsume | how do debianites organize their personal documents? |
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| 04:54.02 | enouf | subsume: ~ |
| 04:54.09 | nsadmin | into folders? |
| 04:54.26 | enouf | !foldersmite nsadmin |
| 04:54.27 | nsadmin | however they want? |
| 04:54.36 | subsume | Eh. I've got school, personal, etc documents since like 94 |
| 04:54.53 | subsume | all in completely random form. i figure some scripts helped people mash this into sense. |
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| 04:55.11 | enouf | date the dirs |
| 04:55.43 | nsadmin | that is, add text which indicates the date to the folder name |
| 04:55.52 | subsume | hmpf. |
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| 04:56.03 | subsume | this is the age of democratic data aggregation |
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| 04:56.23 | subsume | ...but not for docs. |
| 04:56.27 | nsadmin | you want your personal records shared on the internet?! |
| 04:56.49 | subsume | no. but for example picassa whips all of your local pictures into organization |
| 04:56.56 | subsume | or iphoto, etc. |
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| 04:57.25 | Ideogroabpf | does kde debian use synaptic? |
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| 05:02.38 | losher | Bilbo_Baggins: Lenny's great, great "bastard" grandson? |
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| 05:03.08 | uman | losher: maybe he means kubuntu |
| 05:03.26 | losher | uman: so many candidates.... |
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| 05:05.17 | Ideogroabpf | can't find the damned 'firmware-ipw2x00' package dpkg tells me about |
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| 05:05.39 | uman | losher: kubuntu is proably the best |
| 05:06.55 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps whats a good replacement for kalarm in gnome?? |
| 05:07.19 | Bilbo_Baggins | It's easy and all the codecs are in place. |
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| 05:08.51 | losher | uman: Ah, the *best* great, great 'bastard' grandson. Well, as long as it's the best... |
| 05:09.02 | Bilbo_Baggins | LOL |
| 05:09.03 | uman | losher: I meant the best candidate, not best distro ;) |
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| 05:10.08 | craigevil | bbelt16ag: alarm-clock |
| 05:10.10 | losher | uman: Bilbo_Baggins: oh, I see. I don't suppose Bilbo_Baggins will actually say what he meant? |
| 05:10.39 | uman | ew, debian ships with vim by default but not emacs? ew |
| 05:10.57 | uman | RMS at least considers Emacs to be "part of the GNU operating system" |
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| 05:11.35 | losher | uman: I'm not surprised. Emacs is pretty big and under-popular to be a default editor... |
| 05:12.40 | uman | also, I think posix or some other standard mandates the inclusion of vi |
| 05:12.54 | uman | losher: You think vim is more popular than emacs? Meh |
| 05:13.09 | bbelt16ag | going to use alarm clock and see how goo it works |
| 05:13.18 | losher | Debians seem to be a bit of a taciturn lot compared to the ubuntus, arent y'all....? |
| 05:13.41 | CcSsNET | bbelt16ag, apt-cache search alarm | grep clock |
| 05:13.42 | enouf | emacs is an OS unto itself |
| 05:13.45 | losher | uman: I'm far to old a hand to get drawn into *that* discussion :-) |
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| 05:14.03 | uman | enouf: It should probably best be compared to KDE and Gnome, not vim and nano ;) |
| 05:15.11 | enouf | uman: the fair question is, what's wrong with running two OSes simultaneously--so long as neither is "blosted" |
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| 05:15.23 | enouf | er "bloated" |
| 05:15.32 | uman | mmm |
| 05:15.48 | enouf | DEs == bloat |
| 05:16.27 | enouf | and not only 'bloat', but stupidity and frameworked bloat |
| 05:17.21 | uman | the only reason I keep KDE installed is to run KDE apps |
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| 05:17.37 | uman | which are usually superior to Gnome competitors; sadly KDE itself is a piece of shit |
| 05:17.40 | CcSsNET | u could simply install kde base and libs |
| 05:17.42 | losher | enouf: can you have intelligent, non-frameworked bloat? |
| 05:17.54 | uman | CcSsNET: that's basically what I have |
| 05:17.59 | CcSsNET | nice |
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| 05:19.19 | enouf | losher: probably - but i never tried -- have you? |
| 05:20.13 | losher | enouf: I've written software for embedded systems.... |
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| 05:20.42 | enouf | uman: that doesn't work with kde4 .. it's completely broken and a mess .. but if you like that, ok |
| 05:21.02 | enouf | losher: wonderful,, |
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| 05:25.41 | enouf | most embedded systems generally suck ass |
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| 05:28.52 | losher | enouf: sad, but true... |
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| 05:29.25 | Bilbo_Baggins | define embedded? What do you mean? I do not know this... |
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| 05:29.53 | enouf | Bilbo_Baggins: see you cell phone |
| 05:30.02 | enouf | s/you/your |
| 05:30.07 | losher | Bilbo_Baggins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_system |
| 05:30.39 | uman | what is the Debian way to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 05:30.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.10 | uman | enouf: thanks |
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| 05:43.25 | hugo | i'm running two kvm guests and to do that i have to open two terminals because it's running as a foreground process |
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| 05:48.45 | EmleyMoor | hugo: Graphical or just serial console? |
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| 05:52.01 | sherl0ck | so i insert a Net card - and it becomes eth0 - I put in another and it becomes eth1 - what file do i modify so eth1 can be eth0? |
| 05:52.39 | rozie | udev persistent rules |
| 05:52.57 | sherl0ck | so /etc/ where? |
| 05:53.14 | rozie | can't remember |
| 05:53.59 | sherl0ck | thx google helped with ur keywords - http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
| 05:54.10 | EmleyMoor | sherl0ck: /etc/udev/rules.d/70* |
| 05:54.23 | EmleyMoor | S[) |
| 05:54.26 | EmleyMoor | :[) |
| 05:54.32 | EmleyMoor | :-) |
| 05:54.49 | sherl0ck | ah yea! |
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| 05:57.29 | sherl0ck | is it not ok to ask a question about broken monitors in here? what is the ettiquet on off topic things |
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| 05:58.51 | \amethyst | sherl0ck: there's #debian-offtopic |
| 05:59.05 | \amethyst | sherl0ck: there's also ##hardware |
| 05:59.18 | bpun | there a tool to set a priority (<=-8) on a binary upon launch? (i know there's the nice command, or do i have to build a script ?) |
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| 05:59.58 | \amethyst | bpun: what's wrong with the nice command? |
| 06:00.14 | \amethyst | bpun: oh, you mean every time you run that binary |
| 06:00.29 | \amethyst | bpun: yeah, you'll need either a wrapper script or an alias/shell function |
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| 06:02.24 | sherl0ck | thx u, that is helpful |
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| 06:06.38 | uman | is there a command to search for which package contains a given binary? |
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| 06:07.50 | \amethyst | uman: dpkg -S or dlocate -S if you have it; apt-file search if you don't |
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| 06:08.14 | Amirh|asleep | hey, my problem is when I go to the download page of debian infront of the name of DVDs/CDs is some numbers, if I have to download all of that ISO files or just one of them? if one so which one? |
| 06:08.19 | uman | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 06:08.40 | uman | Amirh: you only need to download one CD; the others contain additional packages |
| 06:08.46 | \amethyst | Amirh: if you'll have internet access when you install, all you need is the first CD/DVD, or even just the netinst |
| 06:08.54 | uman | the more CDs you download; the fewer packages you will need to download from the internet |
| 06:09.28 | Amirh | uman , \amethyst thanks |
| 06:10.30 | Amirh | \amethyst, I have wireless internet connection, is this enough to donwload netinst ? |
| 06:11.23 | \amethyst | Amirh: hmm... that would depend on whether your wireless card is supported without non-free drivers |
| 06:11.57 | \amethyst | Amirh: I'm not sure what the installation procedure would be if you need non-free drivers or firmware to connect to the internet |
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| 06:12.37 | Amirh | \amethyst, I think it's better for me get the first CD |
| 06:12.56 | rozie | Amirh: take a look at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 06:14.37 | \amethyst | Amirh: ah, take a look at the link rozie gave you |
| 06:15.00 | \amethyst | Amirh: those are custom installers that have wireless firmware on the CD |
| 06:15.03 | Amirh | \amethyst, rozie I'm looking at it |
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| 06:19.05 | DanDare | i cant install 'apt-get install badblocks' in etch ? |
| 06:19.48 | \amethyst | DanDare: it's in e2fsprogs |
| 06:19.52 | ozzloy | what's a good web photo gallery? |
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| 06:20.00 | rozie | Amirh: it may work, it may work not. what card do you have? |
| 06:20.03 | \amethyst | DanDare: apt-file search badblocks would tell you that |
| 06:20.16 | Shtl | i installed lenny, and i can also able to play mp3 songs in any player, but i cant able to hear the sound, any one can help me please, |
| 06:20.29 | ozzloy | like gallery2 (which isn't showing for aptitude search gallery2) |
| 06:20.30 | piaulo | After a recent upgrade, I cannot get the clock right. After I reset it correctly, it goes back to old value after system re-boot. During boot-up, I get this msg: "cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method". what's wrong? |
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| 06:20.44 | rozie | Shtl: adduser <user> audio |
| 06:20.49 | DanDare | im trying to figure out how a good way to check an entire disk/partition for badblocks, the destructive way |
| 06:21.10 | rozie | then, alsaconf, then, check mixer settings |
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| 06:21.44 | piaulo | ozzloy: picasa from google. |
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| 06:22.14 | adu | lol I just found the funniest unicode character |
| 06:22.30 | piaulo | adu: show it. |
| 06:22.31 | Shtl | rozie: thanks i will give a try |
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| 06:22.59 | DanDare | in e2fsck manpage says i can use '-c' twice to perform write-read test in the device in a non-destructive way. Point is that i dont care for the data so it will be nice to use some destructive procedure (that´s fastest). |
| 06:23.06 | adu | BLISSYMBOL ANAL INTERCOURSE SYMBOL |
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| 06:23.24 | DanDare | any way to do it with e2fsck? Or wich program to use in Etch for this ? |
| 06:23.40 | Amirh | rozie, intel(R) wifi link 5100 agn |
| 06:23.43 | ozzloy | hmm... i have a server though and much more space than google allows |
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| 06:27.57 | Amirh | rozie, which one of them should I dowload? |
| 06:28.59 | jmarsden | DanDare: badblocks is probably the command you are looking for. |
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| 06:29.30 | DanDare | jmarsden, yeah thanks. just figured that i cant install 'badblocks' but its there already :/ |
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| 06:30.04 | jmarsden | DanDare: It is part of the e2fsprogs package. |
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| 06:33.02 | rozie | Amirh: check if there is firmware-iwlwifi in any image |
| 06:33.11 | devrethman | How do I properly deal with an SSH shell that won't let me leave because "there are stopped jobs" rather than just closing the term it's in? |
| 06:33.13 | rozie | with this you card should work |
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| 06:34.10 | jmarsden | devrethman: use the jobs command to see what the jobs are... then kill them if you feel that is appropriate... |
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| 06:35.48 | devrethman | jmandersen: oh, nifty. I didn't know about the jobs cmd |
| 06:35.49 | devrethman | thanks |
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| 06:36.59 | jmarsden | devrethman: No problem. It is worth learning Bash job control if you spend any time at a shell prompt, btw. Look at the fg and bg commands for example... |
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| 06:48.54 | CcSsNET | aptitude removing flash: this package is in a very bad inconsistant state u should try reinstalling it before removing it. simply broke apt all toghether i cannot do a single thing with it |
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| 06:50.01 | uman | hi, I get the following error when trying to start x with xinerama: "Xlib: extension "XINERAMA" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 06:50.07 | uman | What do I need to change in my xorg.conf |
| 06:50.14 | CcSsNET | considering installing it was the main issue and it didnt work removing it is now a second issue |
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| 06:50.55 | CcSsNET | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit it to add the xinerama extention |
| 06:51.07 | CcSsNET | just a guess though uman |
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| 07:19.59 | ismet | debian live cd indirmiÅim kurdum ancak kalıcı kurulumu yapamadım |
| 07:20.11 | ismet | çaresi varmı arkadaÅlar |
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| 07:22.43 | Jason1 | ok |
| 07:22.48 | Jason1 | how do I install jasper? |
| 07:23.27 | Jason1 | how do I install jasper? |
| 07:24.27 | Jason1 | well? |
| 07:24.56 | uman | Jason1: sudo apt-get install libjasper1 |
| 07:25.08 | uman | you may also need libjasper-runtime and/or libjasper-dev |
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| 07:25.51 | ismet | how do I install debian live cd? |
| 07:26.02 | Jason1 | yay |
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| 07:29.34 | roflparrot | ismet, I am not sure whether or not your Live CD has an installer |
| 07:29.54 | roflparrot | Live CDs are generally not meant to install anything but many do now. |
| 07:30.21 | roflparrot | If your Live CD has an installer, then when you boot from it, you should be given the option to install Debian |
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| 07:31.46 | roflparrot | ismet: where did you get the CD? |
| 07:32.08 | ismet | ftp |
| 07:32.43 | roflparrot | right... Have you booted it yet? |
| 07:32.52 | ismet | yes |
| 07:33.00 | roflparrot | Are you using it right now? |
| 07:33.24 | ismet | no using ubuntu |
| 07:33.40 | roflparrot | When you booted it, what did you see? |
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| 07:34.20 | ismet | normally open debian |
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| 07:34.54 | roflparrot | what version of Debian? |
| 07:35.00 | ismet | 5 |
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| 07:37.55 | roflparrot | http://live.debian.net/manual/html/about.html |
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| 07:38.08 | roflparrot | this page says that the Debian LiveCD does not install |
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| 07:39.12 | roflparrot | ismet, you must download a regular Debian install disc image |
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| 08:20.57 | vaq | "/dev/loop0 lvm2 -- 341.00G 341.00G" - How do I reinitialize /dev/loop0 into volume group VG0, pvscan doesn't seem to work nor vgchange -a y |
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| 08:24.32 | delcoyote | hi |
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| 08:34.05 | black_silence | hi, i need some help with starting mysql server. i tried to restart mysqld because of connection problems, now when i try to use the init script to start or stop all it says is "failed". how do i get some more output why the server doesn`t start? |
| 08:34.34 | black_silence | status says it's stopped at the moment |
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| 08:48.28 | lethias | anyone ever compiled the new gnome for debian? |
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| 08:49.15 | mrh125 | how can i give ip to a linux machine at boot time? |
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| 08:50.33 | mkeil | hä? |
| 08:50.35 | mkeil | ;P |
| 08:51.09 | g00se | mrh125: man interfaces |
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| 08:59.09 | mrh125 | can we or can we not pass ip address to the linux kernel as a boot parameter? |
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| 08:59.56 | nkuttler | mrh125: ? |
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| 09:01.46 | atari5o | Can anyone help or tell me where to find help....ath5k wireless module breaks my broadcom bluetooth adapter....in a bad way. |
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| 09:02.33 | mrh125 | nkuttler: i have a remote server that crashed. a non tech person there can barely use linux. Can i assign an ip to the machine using kernel boot parameters so that i can get in from here? |
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| 09:12.42 | deadcat | how do i include vga=791 in grub2? or where ever. so when i update-grub it will be included |
| 09:12.54 | deadcat | grub2 config files are so cryptic. |
| 09:13.46 | iskari | good morning everyone |
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| 09:16.24 | g00se | mrh125: Just 'assigning an IP address' would rarely be enough to ensure remote access |
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| 09:18.00 | flourish | hello |
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| 09:19.50 | Esine | Hey. How would I use only a few packages from SID (the 2.6.30 kernel and related modules), but otherwise be at stable? |
| 09:20.36 | Esine | Just dpkg -i them? |
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| 09:21.58 | flourish | problem with lpr. I have made a list with special character â â â, when print with lpr, all these characters disappear. But when i use unix2dos < lmg.list | iconv -f UTF-8 -t 850 > /dev/lp0, everything is ok |
| 09:22.37 | pixie | for some reason gnome networkmanager won't connect to the wireless network. I have an x40, ipw2200. I go to gnome network manager and choose eth1, it finds wireless networks around and signal strength etc, then i choose home network, choose wpa2 as password type, enter password, configure it to do dhcp, but it doesent connect |
| 09:22.43 | pixie | I have absolutely no idea why |
| 09:23.13 | flourish | gnome network manager has bad usability |
| 09:23.35 | pixie | I've not really used gnome before now, only reason I'm using it is that i read you shouldnt configure wpa etc outside of it |
| 09:23.36 | flourish | i disable it forever |
| 09:23.38 | pixie | for some reason |
| 09:23.40 | amphi_ | pixie: try wicd perhaps |
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| 09:24.23 | pixie | this laptop has been dead for like 1,5 years, I just revived it today, usually I just used ifup in the terminal and I don't really remember what I did to use wpa, but the wifi light would light up anyway, now its just unassociated and doesent connect to anything |
| 09:24.28 | pixie | eventhough it FINDS networks nearby |
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| 09:27.17 | bogdan_ | Hello! How to remove user from group ? I look for something like adduser... |
| 09:28.17 | mkeil | hm, manually in /etc/group? |
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| 09:31.13 | pixie | amphi_: wicd worked! thank you <3 |
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| 09:35.38 | amphi_ | !rejoice |
| 09:35.38 | dpkg | ...and the peasants rejoiced. |
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| 09:36.37 | telmich | good mornign |
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| 09:36.49 | telmich | some debian web-admin here? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.de.html has wrong permissions |
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| 09:40.08 | pixie | hm i remember adding keyboard shortcuts and stuff to some sort of config, does anyone know which that is? I don't remember |
| 09:40.29 | pixie | like if i want US keyboard but want to add special characters using ctrl-whatever |
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| 09:41.33 | themill | !compose |
| 09:41.34 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÃô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
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| 09:42.31 | pixie | xmodmap! |
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| 09:43.13 | amphi | use xev to find the keycode |
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| 09:45.38 | Desiac | question bout s/ware raid, i have 4 x 1tb disks and wana make them all into a raid 5 array. i've partitioned off 100 mb for boot and 3 gb for swap on the first disk and set the rest of disk 1 to software raid type, and then all 3 other disks to s/ware raid type. i then created an array using all 4 partitions. it let me create the array but i have a feeling there wont be fault tolerance |
| 09:45.48 | Desiac | as the partitions are different size, what does everyone think will it provide fault tolerance if i loose any of the disks? |
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| 09:50.34 | rysiek|pl | Desiac: raid5 is not neccessarily a good choice |
| 09:50.37 | rysiek|pl | Desiac: http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=162 |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | dpkg: yespony is http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/Uncle_Tractor/pony.jpg |
| 09:51.11 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 09:51.23 | rysiek|pl | Desiac: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/raid5-vs-raid-10-safety-performance.html |
| 09:51.55 | iskari | guys, ok.. i could use some help, for some reason i cant have wlan and fglrx at the same time on my deb, anyone care to take a stab in the dark at this one? |
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| 09:52.26 | rysiek|pl | Desiac: and finally (the thing that got me off of the RAID5 bandwagon): http://www.baarf.com/ |
| 09:52.40 | g00se | How does unstable OOo Writer version 1:3.1.0-5 compare to OOo's version? Is it 3.1.0-5 or what? |
| 09:52.58 | jelly | Desiac: even though they are different sizes, linux md raid uses the smallest size, just as if you made them all that size |
| 09:53.42 | Desiac | sweet :) , just checking out rysiek|pl post, thanks all much appreciated |
| 09:53.54 | jelly | g00se: cut off -5 as well |
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| 09:55.26 | jelly | rysiek|pl: so add another disk and make it a raid6 |
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| 09:56.35 | rysiek|pl | jelly: huh? |
| 09:56.52 | jelly | rysiek|pl: (if raid5 issues make you worry) |
| 09:57.34 | rysiek|pl | jelly: nope, not at all. not using raid{3,4,5} at all, anywhere |
| 09:57.47 | jelly | rysiek|pl: one thing to remember is raid isn't a replacement for backups |
| 09:58.03 | rysiek|pl | yeah, I know |
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| 09:58.41 | arcsky | ist possible to complie tlswrap.tar.gz without root? if i install it in my own homedir ? |
| 09:58.43 | rysiek|pl | jelly: nice RAID1 on the server to keep serving even when a disk fails; nice rsync sync once a day to two different locations for backups |
| 09:59.08 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: compile, yeah; in fact - you should never *compile* anything as root |
| 09:59.21 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/m6505ffec |
| 09:59.24 | arcsky | is the error |
| 09:59.28 | arcsky | with make |
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| 09:59.54 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: nope. that's an error with make install |
| 09:59.56 | rysiek|pl | not make |
| 09:59.59 | rysiek|pl | make -> compile |
| 10:00.05 | rysiek|pl | make install -> install system-wide |
| 10:00.10 | arcsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.10 | arcsky | make: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 10:00.23 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: obviously, you need root priviledges to install system-wide |
| 10:00.31 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: have you run ./configure |
| 10:00.38 | arcsky | ./configure is done |
| 10:00.40 | yurikoles | how to decod AMR? |
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| 10:01.11 | nukedclx | W: GPG error: ftp://mir1.ovh.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
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| 10:01.15 | nukedclx | how i can fix it? |
| 10:01.51 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: and make still insists that nothing is to be done? |
| 10:02.08 | arcsky | yes |
| 10:02.12 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: in that case it's probably something that does not need compilation (BASH, Python, Perl, whatever script) |
| 10:02.23 | yurikoles | search for the key |
| 10:02.49 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: you shoudl be able to run it, then; it might need some strange files in strange locations, thouch |
| 10:02.52 | rysiek|pl | *though |
| 10:03.15 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: check if ./configure will take a --prefix or --insall-prefix flag |
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| 10:03.56 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: and if so, give something along the lines of: --install-prefix /home/arcsky/some_location/ |
| 10:04.03 | arcsky | ./configure --prefix=/home/arcsky works |
| 10:04.08 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: then, make && make install |
| 10:04.27 | rysiek|pl | don't use your home dir as a prefix, you'll get a mess |
| 10:04.40 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: use --prefix /home/arcsky/some_dir |
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| 10:05.12 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/m6b6803a3 |
| 10:05.21 | rysiek|pl | yurikoles: try VLC, might work |
| 10:06.02 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: you're done. run it with: /home/arcsky/bin/tlswrap |
| 10:06.17 | rysiek|pl | or add /home/arcsky/bin to your $PATH |
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| 10:06.53 | arcsky | ./tlswrap |
| 10:06.53 | arcsky | ./tlswrap: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:08.41 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: do you have libcrypto instlled? |
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| 10:09.02 | arcsky | there is a file in tlswrap dir libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
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| 10:10.21 | Zvpun | I am looking for a id3 tag program with id3v2.4 support or is v2.3 enough? |
| 10:10.29 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: google for LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 10:10.49 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: or ask tlswrap guys (mailing list, maybe?) |
| 10:10.51 | arcsky | ldd |
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| 10:11.48 | enouf | nukedclx: /msg dpkg new archive key |
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| 10:13.26 | nukedclx | found |
| 10:13.31 | nukedclx | rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:13.36 | arcsky | thank you rysiek|pl :) |
| 10:13.37 | nukedclx | now i have that ; / |
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| 10:13.45 | arcsky | for help |
| 10:14.05 | nukedclx | rysiek, pewnie mowisz po polsku |
| 10:14.29 | kabniel | Zvpun: I think Picard use 2.4 as default |
| 10:14.29 | rysiek|pl | arcsky: no problemo, happy to help |
| 10:14.35 | rysiek|pl | nukedclx: #debian-pl |
| 10:15.11 | g00se | jelly: thanks |
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| 10:22.49 | khaije|amalt | mysql vs postgres, which has better performance in memory constrained circumstances |
| 10:22.51 | khaije|amalt | ? |
| 10:23.04 | rysiek|pl | how constrained |
| 10:23.13 | azeem | khaije|amalt: try both, see which one you like better |
| 10:24.00 | Zvpun | how can I see the version of the id3v2.x tag of an mp3? |
| 10:24.03 | khaije|amalt | azeem: omg y didn't i think of that!!! |
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| 10:25.18 | rysiek|pl | much prefers postgresql, esp. taking the oracle deal and the ensuing forkbomb of the mysql project... |
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| 10:29.44 | kabniel | Zvpun: 'file .yourfile.mp3' should show it |
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| 10:30.28 | khaije|amalt | rysiek|pl: i tend to agree |
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| 10:31.47 | Zvpun | kabniel: thank you very much. What id3 tagger are you using? |
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| 10:39.54 | djr | Is the util 'chage' available as an official .deb for etch and lenny? |
| 10:40.17 | joltcan | djr: try searching at http://packages.debian.org |
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| 10:48.25 | kabniel | Zvpun: I use http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger mostly for the musicbrainz functions. |
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| 11:02.05 | khaije|amalt | wow, wikivs's article on postgres vs mysql is surprisingly troll-free |
| 11:02.23 | EmleyMoor | DIN already |
| 11:02.32 | EmleyMoor | Oops |
| 11:02.33 | rysiek|pl | khaije|amalt: linky linky? |
| 11:02.46 | khaije|amalt | http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL |
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| 11:04.34 | maxagaz | how to allw a particular windows to appear on the top of firefox in fullscreen mode ? |
| 11:04.41 | maxagaz | window |
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| 11:22.37 | mac123 | Hi i need some help in partioning my HDD i have 2 partitions /dev/sda1 i have kept this as boot which is 310gb /dev/sda2 is for swap |
| 11:22.37 | mac123 | i want to resize /dev/sda1 can some one help me on this |
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| 11:23.51 | rysiek|pl | mac123: use gparted or qtparted |
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| 11:24.14 | rysiek|pl | mac123: if it's your main/system disk, you might want to use a live cd - google for GParted LiveCD |
| 11:24.14 | mac123 | i used parted but i am unable to resize it i get some error |
| 11:24.32 | rysiek|pl | mac123: the partition has to be unmounted |
| 11:24.42 | montoya | Hi... I have debian sid and (ATI x600, kernel 2.6.30-1-686) |
| 11:24.54 | rysiek|pl | mac123: also, check with the parted website, which partitions are possible to resize |
| 11:25.30 | mac123 | this is my partiotion fdisk -l |
| 11:25.30 | mac123 | Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes |
| 11:25.30 | mac123 | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders |
| 11:25.30 | mac123 | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 11:25.30 | mac123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.30 | mac123 | /dev/sda1 * 524 38913 308367675 83 Linux |
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| 11:26.03 | montoya | If I try to load "fglrx" module... I received an error message "Maximum main memory to use..." |
| 11:26.06 | mac123 | when i try to unmount i get device busy |
| 11:26.08 | rysiek|pl | as I have said, check with the parted website if your partition's filesystem is resizeable |
| 11:26.27 | rysiek|pl | mac123: I suppose /dev/sda is your only drive? |
| 11:26.49 | montoya | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/nonfree/fglrx/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory |
| 11:26.54 | mac123 | yes |
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| 11:27.56 | rysiek|pl | mac123: well, how do you want to unmount a partition that your system uses at the same very moment? |
| 11:28.03 | rysiek|pl | mac123: google for parted live cd |
| 11:28.14 | rysiek|pl | mac123: boot it and resize your partitions from there |
| 11:28.40 | montoya | [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 928 MBytes. |
| 11:28.49 | mac123 | see this is a server i have access to resue mode i tried from there but it gives some error |
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| 11:30.35 | rysiek|pl | mac123: even in rescue mode the system runs off of the root partition |
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| 11:30.50 | T47 | hi.. can any one tell me what so special about 939 mobos? |
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| 11:31.00 | rysiek|pl | mac123: unmounting root at this moment would be like trying to pull out the chair on which you are currently sitting |
| 11:31.08 | rysiek|pl | mac123: now you tell me if it's a good idea |
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| 11:31.19 | PucKid | howdy |
| 11:31.29 | PucKid | i'm getting this error : W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 11:31.33 | PucKid | how could i fix it ? :\ |
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| 11:31.47 | enouf | PucKid: /msg dpkg new archive key |
| 11:31.52 | mac123 | nah i dont think so :) i was only trying to make raid 0 with mdmdm |
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| 11:32.53 | mac123 | it reruires 3 partions but i had only 2 so i was trying to resize |
| 11:33.15 | PucKid | great, thank you enouf |
| 11:33.16 | PucKid | (: |
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| 11:33.47 | enouf | mac123: you're attempting a raid5 on a single disk? .. yikes |
| 11:34.13 | mac123 | no raid0 on 2 disks |
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| 11:34.31 | abrotman | yikes! |
| 11:34.43 | enouf | raid0 (which isn't raid anyway) doesn't require 3 partitions |
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| 11:35.03 | enouf | abrotman: b00! :-p |
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| 11:35.20 | abrotman | enouf: you've been hiding! |
| 11:35.36 | enouf | comes out of hiding |
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| 11:36.32 | tarik | Hi all |
| 11:36.41 | mac123 | i saw it in the tutorial so i was trying to make it |
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| 11:37.36 | mac123 | http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Raid#Installing_Debian_with_SATA_based_RAID |
| 11:38.46 | tarik | I want to set the root password for mysql-server5.0 during installation using preseed, I did put in preseed file the output of ( debconf-get-selections |grep mysql-server ), but the password i did put doesn't work |
| 11:38.51 | tarik | any idea ?? |
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| 11:41.04 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to take a screenshot of an X display that isn't currently being drawn anywhere? |
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| 11:41.28 | abrotman | so it's .. not on your screen ? |
| 11:41.29 | jamesstanley | If I go to display :1 and do "DISPLAY=:0 import -window root image.png", all I get is garbage in image.png |
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| 11:41.40 | jamesstanley | yes abrotman |
| 11:42.25 | jamesstanley | same happens if i do -display :0.0 in the arguments to import |
| 11:43.02 | abrotman | why not just look at the screen while taking it? |
| 11:44.05 | abrotman | maybe something like scrot, but you'd have to read the man page |
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| 11:44.13 | jamesstanley | i'd like to be able to take a picture of a different X display than what is currently on the screen, from an SSH session |
| 11:44.25 | abrotman | oh .. is it your X session? |
| 11:44.33 | jamesstanley | what? |
| 11:44.57 | jamesstanley | i'll try scrot |
| 11:45.07 | jamesstanley | googling for scrot gives, ahem, less than desireable results :P |
| 11:45.10 | jamesstanley | except for the first one |
| 11:45.22 | abrotman | try "man scrot" |
| 11:45.25 | abrotman | wait .. nevermind |
| 11:45.30 | abrotman | try "manpage scrot" |
| 11:45.35 | jamesstanley | man scrot |
| 11:45.36 | jamesstanley | rofl! |
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| 11:46.14 | abrotman | nope .. doesn't seem like it can do it |
| 11:46.34 | buu | Odd, my google for scrot gives me 9 references to the package and 1 UD link |
| 11:46.39 | jamesstanley | scrot doesn't give garbage like import and xwd do |
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| 11:46.43 | jamesstanley | but it just gives a black picture |
| 11:46.54 | buu | I wonder how much google's database varies |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | buu: maybe depends on which country you're in .. i believe they filter based on geographic location ? |
| 11:48.11 | jamesstanley | i was talking about the inline image results |
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| 11:48.17 | jamesstanley | they captured my attention more than the pages |
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| 11:49.07 | rysiek|pl | jamesstanley: http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/scrot |
| 11:49.35 | jamesstanley | rysiek|pl: i got scrot to work on the same display as what i was running it on |
| 11:49.43 | jamesstanley | but it won't take a screenshot of a display that isn't displayed on the screen |
| 11:49.56 | rysiek|pl | ah |
| 11:49.59 | rysiek|pl | no idea then |
| 11:50.13 | jamesstanley | i want more of a display snapshot than a "screen"shot i suppose |
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| 11:53.15 | jamesstanley | gnome-screenshot also just gets a black image |
| 11:53.15 | abrotman | why can't you run it from the other display? |
| 11:53.23 | jamesstanley | atm i can |
| 11:53.29 | jamesstanley | but i won't be able to when i am SSH'd in from elsewhere |
| 11:53.40 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 11:54.40 | rysiek|pl | jamesstanley: why is that? couldn't you just set DISPLAY="whatever:"? |
| 11:54.48 | jamesstanley | i tried that |
| 11:54.51 | rysiek|pl | and? |
| 11:54.52 | jamesstanley | some programs give garbage images |
| 11:54.53 | jamesstanley | some just do black |
| 11:54.59 | rysiek|pl | darn |
| 11:55.16 | rysiek|pl | any xserver errors on the way? |
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| 11:55.27 | jamesstanley | i'll check |
| 11:55.46 | h1d | is anyone running syslog-ng with mysql backend? I created a pipe using mkfifo, but that pipe does not seem to survive a reboot and it will flood the log saying the pipe is not available till fills up the disk space real fast. |
| 11:55.51 | jamesstanley | no rysiek|pl |
| 11:55.56 | h1d | i could put that in rc.local but syslog-ng has already started by the time rc.local is read |
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| 11:56.33 | jamesstanley | in your syslog-ng init script, put the mkfifo stuff just before syslog-ng starts |
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| 11:59.15 | enouf | jamesstanley: supposedly, one can do something like cp /dev/fbX > filename (but i haven't looked at any of this in detail in a long while now) checkout http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt |
| 11:59.27 | jamesstanley | ok enouf i'll see about that |
| 11:59.32 | enouf | er, remove the '>' there |
| 11:59.44 | jamesstanley | could cat /dev/fbX > filename |
| 11:59.54 | jamesstanley | perhaps |
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| 11:59.57 | jamesstanley | but i'll try cp |
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| 12:00.25 | jamesstanley | enouf: i don't have a /dev/fbX :'( |
| 12:00.27 | enouf | that's what i wrote originally from memory, but was mistaken |
| 12:00.33 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:01.40 | enouf | crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 2009-07-06 02:39 /dev/fb0 <--likely due to my vga=791 kernel boot option that loads vesafb |
| 12:02.19 | jamesstanley | i have a /dev/xconsole |
| 12:02.22 | jamesstanley | but i can't read from it |
| 12:02.36 | jamesstanley | and i have /dev/vcsX and /dev/vcsaX but they only have the text in |
| 12:02.38 | jamesstanley | no pictures |
| 12:02.42 | enouf | yeah, that's a pipe |
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| 12:04.14 | jamesstanley | enouf: i'll change my x config to use framebuffer |
| 12:04.43 | enouf | jamesstanley: not the kernel framebuffer, don't do that |
| 12:05.00 | jamesstanley | oh ok |
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| 12:05.04 | jamesstanley | too late now |
| 12:05.07 | jamesstanley | didn't work anyway |
| 12:05.38 | yopyop | hello, i have pam problem with xlock and xscreenserver (lock), none of both are using the pam config i gave. i modified common-auth to fit with my ldap config, works fine with gdm/ssh etc but when i use xlock or xscreensaver, i try to unlock and i only get error from pam_unix and not pam_ldap |
| 12:05.49 | yopyop | any idea how to debug that ? |
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| 12:08.24 | linduxed | how do i list folders or files in the system that are owned by a certain group? |
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| 12:09.09 | enouf | linduxed: man find |
| 12:09.37 | enouf | see -group option |
| 12:10.00 | linduxed | enouf: ok thx |
| 12:11.07 | enouf | linduxed: see the -type d and f options as well - /msg dpkg using find |
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| 12:23.36 | _stack | hi , I'm doing a deb package of a browser, how do I tell it to be recognized by update-alternatives ? |
| 12:23.41 | _stack | (web browser) |
| 12:24.35 | _stack | I saw that apt-cache show iceweasel reports "Provides: www-browser" , that confuse me because it "should" be x-www-browser..so maybe it's not the option that I'm looking for |
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| 12:26.21 | themill | _stack: Provides talks about virtual packages not things that are managed by the alternatives system. You should look at policy and devref for definitive information and look at other browser packages for examples of what to do |
| 12:26.51 | themill | !virtual package |
| 12:26.52 | dpkg | virtual package is, like, a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
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| 12:27.15 | _stack | themill: yes I remembered what is it for. |
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| 12:54.40 | sfdsd | hi there, I want to install debian from network. I must be use nfs-share for apt and presedding configuration, but I'm confused about workable whole system. |
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| 12:56.13 | sfdsd | how I can mount nfs from this server ... /var/cache/apt/archives 192.168.30.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash) and use it so as to store new downloads deb -packages from http internet? |
| 12:56.28 | compilerwriter | Does debian have a live cd? |
| 12:57.35 | sfdsd | I tried to change initrd, unfortunatly, while pxe boot I received VFS root mount error, but I'm not chenge root fs, just arr new line fo fstab into initrd. |
| 12:57.38 | sfdsd | lenny |
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| 12:58.20 | unop | !tell compilerwriter about live |
| 12:58.21 | themill | dpkg: tell compilerwriter about live |
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| 13:00.47 | sfdsd | I've download net-installer and pxe bootable kernel from |
| 13:00.48 | sfdsd | lftp -c "open http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/; mirror netboot/" |
| 13:02.19 | sfdsd | every1? |
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| 13:04.15 | techouse | does anyone know why there's no search bar in the gnome main menu like in suse, for example? |
| 13:04.21 | techouse | gnome 2.26 |
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| 13:07.40 | clusty | hey |
| 13:07.47 | linduxed | can i have a file owned by multiple groups? |
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| 13:08.09 | g00se | !tell sfdsd about apt-cacher |
| 13:08.27 | clusty | how can I remove some nasty ^@ from a file? i cannot use the keyboard to generate the char to pass to tr |
| 13:08.43 | g00se | sfdsd: and possibly apt-cacher-ng |
| 13:09.10 | g00se | clusty: use the octal code |
| 13:09.41 | jelly | clusty: it's a \0 |
| 13:10.08 | clusty | jelly, so ^@ are the null chars end of strings markers? |
| 13:10.19 | g00se | clusty: so - tr -d '\000' |
| 13:10.27 | jelly | g00se: \0 works. |
| 13:10.38 | compilerII | #flood Hello debians, I am trying to setup netboot on my ubuntu 9.04. However I am a bit confused: which file needs to be configured for tftp file transfer: /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa or /etc/xinetd.d/conf/tftp |
| 13:10.39 | g00se | jelly: right |
| 13:11.03 | clusty | awesome |
| 13:11.03 | jelly | clusty: yes. Also, if you have binary zeros in a file that should have'em, chances are it's also corrupted in other ways (like, data missing) |
| 13:11.10 | clusty | \0 did nto work |
| 13:11.18 | jelly | shouldn't* |
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| 13:11.42 | themill | compilerII: you probably want #ubuntu |
| 13:11.46 | g00se | clusty: Try tr -d '\0' or what i mentioned earlier |
| 13:11.47 | jelly | often does foo | tr 'n' '0' | xargs -0 bar |
| 13:11.53 | clusty | worked |
| 13:11.58 | clusty | thanks |
| 13:12.06 | clusty | cat blah | tr... |
| 13:12.23 | compilerII | #ubuntu |
| 13:12.35 | clusty | jelly, this was supposed to be a CSV file. 3GB one :D |
| 13:13.00 | ranix | I've noticed that most csv files are not actually csv |
| 13:13.08 | ranix | thank god for sed, tr, and awk |
| 13:13.11 | jelly | clusty: check it wasn't corrupted on the transfer |
| 13:13.15 | jelly | in* |
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| 13:13.28 | clusty | jelly, cannot. its from a mammoth factory in the USA |
| 13:13.29 | jelly | just cannot type today |
| 13:13.43 | clusty | hard to check anyways |
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| 13:13.58 | ranix | you manufacture mammoths? |
| 13:14.05 | clusty | :D |
| 13:14.07 | clusty | yes |
| 13:14.09 | jelly | not he, his client |
| 13:14.21 | clusty | awesome one :D |
| 13:14.31 | ranix | do you work on a small island southeast of south America |
| 13:14.41 | jelly | would buy one if it fit in the apartment |
| 13:15.34 | g00se | also works on old dinosaurs, usually 386s |
| 13:16.06 | jelly | dpkg: qotd248 is <clusty> jelly, cannot. its from a mammoth factory in the USA <ranix> you manufacture mammoths? |
| 13:16.07 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
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| 13:17.55 | g00se | clusty: That file fixed now? |
| 13:18.24 | clusty | g00se, apart from some minor stuff that will be hand doctored, yes. thanks a bunch |
| 13:18.36 | clusty | i used to generate funny chars by hand |
| 13:18.45 | clusty | ctrl-v ctrl-<letter> |
| 13:18.54 | clusty | but @ did not work :D |
| 13:19.09 | jelly | clusty: ctrl-space |
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| 13:21.30 | pixie | icedove won't connect to IMAP for some reason. nor will evolution. it just times out |
| 13:21.33 | pixie | any ideas? |
| 13:21.41 | clusty | since I am here, I wanted to ask one more thing. |
| 13:22.00 | clusty | we are building a new computational cluster: no keyboard/screen/cdrom or anything |
| 13:22.35 | clusty | what is the best way to install debian on these 20 PC's? (identical). net boots with tftp? |
| 13:22.43 | techouse | pixie: firewalled port? |
| 13:22.47 | pixie | techouse: no firewall. |
| 13:22.53 | clusty | or take one drive out and install in some PC and then clone it 20 times? |
| 13:23.08 | pixie | techouse: works on the computer next to me, the mac, but not on any clients on this one for some reason |
| 13:23.09 | techouse | clusty, it can be done over network |
| 13:23.18 | techouse | let me find a how to |
| 13:23.22 | clusty | i did it |
| 13:23.26 | clusty | i know the basics |
| 13:24.01 | clusty | techouse, i know the basics thanks. just wondered what's the PRO way :D |
| 13:24.06 | jelly | clusty: there are cloning tools that use multicast |
| 13:24.22 | adb | clusty: FAI |
| 13:24.35 | pixie | is there any reason thecomputer next to this one connects to IMAP and this one doesent |
| 13:24.39 | pixie | just times out |
| 13:24.39 | techouse | clusty, ah :D |
| 13:24.54 | jelly | pixie: that one is better! |
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| 13:25.28 | techouse | jelly, EPIC :D |
| 13:25.41 | clusty | adb, what's FAI ? |
| 13:26.07 | adb | apt-cache show FAI |
| 13:26.10 | jelly | pixie: but seriously, you haven't given enough data to diagnose a thing |
| 13:26.17 | pixie | jelly: what do you want to know |
| 13:26.18 | techouse | full auto install or something |
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| 13:26.53 | jelly | pixie: check the basics: network connectivity, dns resolving, local firewall |
| 13:27.08 | pixie | firewall is nonexistant, network seems fine |
| 13:27.13 | pixie | and the internet generally works fine here |
| 13:27.16 | pixie | its just the stupid imap |
| 13:27.24 | pixie | and the computer on the same network works just fine with it |
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| 13:27.48 | jelly | pixie: so, as root, iptables-save output is basically empty? |
| 13:28.10 | techouse | pixie, just for the hell of it, try iptables --list |
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| 13:28.48 | pixie | want me to paste what itsays? |
| 13:29.01 | sfdsd | ok, if i will be use apt-chache-ng , my need to configure pxe-boot clientts with executable this....echo âAcquire::http { Proxy âhttp://serverip:3142â³; };â | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy |
| 13:29.02 | techouse | no, just tell us if you see any numbers |
| 13:29.06 | sfdsd | how that make? |
| 13:29.09 | pixie | no numbers |
| 13:29.17 | pixie | juts some text |
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| 13:30.40 | pixie | it shouldnt be behind anything,so it makes no sense that it would suddenly not work here |
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| 13:31.47 | clusty | adb any clue if FAI works with other distro-s? |
| 13:31.55 | adb | dpkg: tell clusty about fai |
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| 13:32.12 | jamesstanley | anyone know what this sort of image is called? http://www.isac.cnr.it/~radiclim/immagini/loghi/debian-logo.png |
| 13:32.15 | clusty | dpkg does not like me :D |
| 13:32.16 | dpkg | i don't know, clusty |
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| 13:32.22 | jamesstanley | more to the point, does anyone know what the font is called? |
| 13:32.29 | techouse | pixie, try this: |
| 13:32.31 | techouse | $ipt -F FORWARD |
| 13:32.31 | techouse | $ipt -F INPUT |
| 13:32.31 | techouse | $ipt -F OUTPUT |
| 13:32.32 | techouse | $ipt -F POSTROUTING -t nat |
| 13:32.32 | techouse | $ipt -F PREROUTING -t nat |
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| 13:32.57 | techouse | sry....flood :P |
| 13:32.59 | themill | dpkg: tell jamesstanley about debian logo |
| 13:33.08 | jamesstanley | themill: i know the debian logo page |
| 13:33.13 | jamesstanley | but what is that type of image called? |
| 13:33.17 | pixie | techouse: we dont use nat here |
| 13:33.20 | jamesstanley | i thought it was blog sticker but that's something different |
| 13:33.23 | pixie | if thats of any relevance |
| 13:33.28 | themill | jamesstanley: oh sorry, not the logo font -- the sticker thingy font |
| 13:33.38 | jamesstanley | ah i think silkscreen is it |
| 13:33.47 | techouse | pixie, those commands will flush anything you got in your iptables |
| 13:34.00 | techouse | as $ipt i meant /sbin/iptables |
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| 13:34.20 | techouse | put it in a bash script and execute it or do it manually |
| 13:35.34 | pixie | PREROUTING was the last one you pasted, no? |
| 13:35.34 | themill | pixie: do both machines have similar IPs? i.e. they're on the same subnet (one isn't on an autoconf IP or similar?) |
| 13:35.34 | techouse | ye |
| 13:35.34 | pixie | themill: yes |
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| 13:36.42 | techouse | brb |
| 13:36.54 | pixie | themill: both have like identical settings |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman | pixie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:37.03 | pixie | abrotman: !!!!!!!!!!1omg |
| 13:37.12 | asg | blast from the past |
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| 13:37.30 | pixie | abrotman: imap is being gay, pee on it for me. |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 13:37.52 | themill | abrotman is pregnant? |
| 13:37.54 | abrotman | pixie: can yuo telnet to the port ? |
| 13:38.49 | pixie | not tried |
| 13:38.56 | izua | um, user not authorised to run X server, aborting. i just installed xorg and kde on a box, kde runs as root, but not as my user. there's no xorg/kde group. what do i do to allow the user to run x? |
| 13:39.22 | themill | pixie: I presume that you've double checked the imap port for both mail clients (given that people like gmail seem to like putting imap on strange ports) |
| 13:39.45 | pixie | themill: that i havent. lets see |
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| 13:40.31 | abrotman | pixie: telnet foo 143 ? does it get through? tried a packet sniffer yet? |
| 13:41.14 | petemc | themill: 993 is the standard imaps port, which is what gmail uses |
| 13:41.41 | pixie | my mac had 933, the debian had 143 |
| 13:41.48 | pixie | i tried changing it to 903 |
| 13:41.51 | pixie | argh |
| 13:41.51 | pixie | 993 |
| 13:41.54 | pixie | stupid keyboard |
| 13:42.13 | pixie | its still infinitely connecting, but lets see. |
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| 13:43.00 | themill | petemc: yeah I know.... just that every single mua I've used needs to be told this in very small words. (and imap+tls seems more common too) |
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| 13:45.37 | pixie | heey it worked |
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| 13:45.38 | pixie | thanks |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | see .. the correct settings are good |
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| 13:47.29 | thrashold | Any easy guide how to configure a Debian box to be able to send mail? |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | thrashold: install your MTA .. configure it .. use it |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | thrashold: you're going to have to be more specific |
| 13:48.15 | thrashold | It installs exim4 by default, which doesn't send anything with the default configuration, I tried ssmtp which I use on my Gentoo boxes, and it doesn't send anything either |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | you can reconfigure exim4 to send mail pretty easily |
| 13:48.43 | thrashold | The example config is like 100 pages :) |
| 13:48.50 | abrotman | do you want to use it as a smarthost .. or as a true mail server ? |
| 13:49.18 | thrashold | I need just nagios notifications from it, nothing else :) |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | so you want to send the email to a real mail server? |
| 13:49.34 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 13:49.35 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
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| 13:49.55 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. it should allow you to choose smarthost |
| 13:50.05 | thrashold | Thanks |
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| 13:52.39 | pixie | hum, I wonder how to fix this.. I have two gmail accounts kindof, except the other one is my owndomain but using gmails servers |
| 13:52.55 | pixie | the normal @gmail.com connects okay, but the @mydomain.com doesent |
| 13:53.10 | pixie | it "connects", but wont authenticate eventhough its the right password |
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| 13:53.38 | jelly | pixie: using the full username@domain as username? |
| 13:53.47 | pixie | jelly: yeah |
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| 13:54.06 | jelly | bills to google paid? :-) |
| 13:54.17 | themill | pixie: have you told it to use SSL with "clear text" auth? |
| 13:54.22 | pixie | jelly: yup |
| 13:54.50 | pixie | themill: it says ssl, nothing about clear text |
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| 13:57.28 | pixie | themill: says "web login required" |
| 13:58.01 | themill | pixie: have you enabled imap for that account in the gmail config pages? |
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| 13:58.44 | pixie | yes it works fine on the computer next to me |
| 13:59.21 | pixie | looks odd when it asks for password though, it says username@mydomain.com@imap.gmail.com |
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| 13:59.47 | ugur | hi all i have changed my swappiness from 60 (default) to 10 in order to tell the kernel to use more free RAM instead of swap |
| 13:59.49 | pixie | either way, no idea what "web login required" means here |
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| 14:00.11 | ugur | but now free memory gets below 50MBs and system freezes |
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| 14:01.09 | ugur | i was waiting for an answer from ubuntuforums for 4 days but none yet |
| 14:01.47 | ugur | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7646128#post7646128 is the thread i mentioned |
| 14:02.23 | themill | ugur: try #ubuntu |
| 14:02.29 | ugur | ok |
| 14:02.57 | rerushg | ugur: not sure what "answer" you want.... logical move is to try higher (than 10) swappiness value until you like what you get |
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| 14:03.27 | themill | (or not to fiddle with knobs that you don't understand) |
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| 14:04.22 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows how network-manager-gnome encodes wpa2 passwords? |
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| 14:10.36 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:10.55 | ajavid | _Brandon_, I'm guessing via wpa2supplicant tool |
| 14:11.30 | ajavid | !wpa |
| 14:11.30 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 14:13.23 | pixie | hum apparently the problem has been solved for others by logging on to the account on web, but I don't remember where you logged in with those types of gmail accounts |
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| 14:13.26 | pixie | does anyone know? |
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| 14:14.57 | ajavid | call google tech support! ;) |
| 14:15.06 | izua | how do i authorize a user to run X? |
| 14:15.41 | themill | pixie: did you define mail.yourdomain.com as a CNAM to ghs.google.com? If so, just point your browser at that hostname |
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| 14:16.26 | jmd | What packages do I have to install in lenny to get a tun/tap device? |
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| 14:17.41 | adb | dpkg: tell jmd about apt-file |
| 14:19.02 | LoloftheRings | hi all, does anyone know why the rt61pci wireless driver is not included in debian, but is included in every other distro I have tried? |
| 14:19.03 | poisonbit | jmd, openvpn --mktun --dev tap0 ? |
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| 14:19.51 | themill | dpkg: tell LoloftheRings about rt61 |
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| 14:21.24 | pixie | themill: found it, but its still not working though. icedove |
| 14:21.32 | jmd | poisonbit, A vpn isn't what I want. |
| 14:22.04 | themill | pixie: :( nfc what else to try. Never had any issues with it. |
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| 14:23.02 | pixie | themill: its odd. |
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| 14:27.06 | LoloftheRings | lol the dkpg bot is awesome :D |
| 14:27.53 | themill | dpkg, you rock |
| 14:27.53 | dpkg | :), themill |
| 14:28.07 | LoloftheRings | :p |
| 14:28.10 | rysiek|pl | dpkg, you mountain |
| 14:28.10 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:28.22 | izua | dpkg you dpkg |
| 14:28.23 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 14:28.33 | rysiek|pl | dpkg you remark? |
| 14:28.33 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:28.39 | rysiek|pl | yeah thought so |
| 14:28.42 | LoloftheRings | dpkg, why don't you speak dutch? |
| 14:28.43 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, LoloftheRings |
| 14:28.49 | rysiek|pl | that |
| 14:28.52 | rysiek|pl | is why |
| 14:29.12 | rysiek|pl | dpkg what's the time |
| 14:29.13 | dpkg | rysiek|pl: it's 2009.07.20 GMT / UTC |
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| 14:29.24 | rysiek|pl | dpkg: kthx |
| 14:29.24 | dpkg | rysiek|pl: I give up, what is it? |
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| 14:29.35 | themill | !enough |
| 14:29.36 | dpkg | Please stop fondling my database in public! I have some degree of modesty, you know. If you want to look for factoids, ask me in a /msg, for example, /msg dpkg bot help |
| 14:29.48 | jmd | How do I create /dev/net/tun |
| 14:29.57 | rysiek|pl | jmd: tunctl? |
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| 14:30.57 | jmd | tunctl: command not found |
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| 14:32.52 | adb | dpkg: tell jmd about apt-file |
| 14:33.41 | PJV | exit |
| 14:33.46 | _stack | why the people suggest doing upgrade and then dist-upgrade? |
| 14:34.28 | themill | _stack: for etch->lenny? |
| 14:34.48 | hark | jmd: modprobe tun |
| 14:34.51 | rysiek|pl | _stack: we, the people? |
| 14:34.55 | _stack | themill: no, in general. |
| 14:35.11 | rysiek|pl | loves those constitutional puns... |
| 14:35.12 | _stack | rysiek|pl: no the people from the deeper space, called sometimes aliens. |
| 14:35.33 | rysiek|pl | dpkg: tell _stack about alien |
| 14:36.04 | _stack | :\ |
| 14:36.09 | themill | _stack: Can't say I've ever seen that except for upgrading between releases. Got a URL for that? (the usual reason is to pull as much of the new system in as possible as it makes the dist-upgrade process less likely to have difficult conflicts to solve) |
| 14:36.46 | rysiek|pl | themill, _stack: sometimes when you use some 3rd party repos you might want to do it that way |
| 14:37.04 | rysiek|pl | the reason has been given by themill |
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| 14:38.00 | _stack | ok thanks for the explanation |
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| 14:40.45 | jmd | tunctl doesn't appear to create the tun device but relies upon it. |
| 14:41.04 | jmd | But the uml-utilities package doesn't depend upon anything that will create it. |
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| 14:41.44 | EricBlade | if I have a separate debian repo for a specific software package.. how can I make that override the files in the main debian repo ? |
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| 14:42.20 | themill | EricBlade: are you backporting or just recompiling the existing packages with different options? |
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| 14:42.53 | EricBlade | the repo I want to get from has newer files than lenny offers |
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| 14:43.24 | themill | EricBlade: are they specifically compiled to be usable in lenny? |
| 14:43.29 | EricBlade | I tried just adding it, and it picked up the new packages that repo offers that aren't in lenny, but it isn't picking up that there's new versions of those packages |
| 14:43.30 | EricBlade | yes |
| 14:43.49 | EricBlade | I mean isn't picking up that there's newer versions of the packages that lenny already has |
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| 14:44.14 | themill | EricBlade: that should be all you need to do. Perhaps pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for a package that you're interested in. The output of "apt-cache policy" would be helpful too. |
| 14:44.16 | pixie | themill: I got it working. I had to use unlock captcha |
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| 14:44.30 | themill | pixie: yeah, I wondered if that was the case given that message |
| 14:45.10 | EricBlade | should it be above or below my lenny line in sources.list, or no matter? |
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| 14:45.45 | themill | EricBlade: doesn't matter |
| 14:45.49 | jmd | iodined seems to ignore the -d flag |
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| 14:46.37 | EricBlade | themill: it does seem to indicate that it understands that there is a newer version at the new repo, but it doesn't seem to want to get it. Says 7.52 is at the new repo, 7.37 at the regular, with 7.37 installed and 7.37 as candidate |
| 14:47.02 | themill | EricBlade: can you pastebin the actual output of those two commands for me |
| 14:47.08 | themill | !pastebin |
| 14:47.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
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| 14:47.47 | EricBlade | sure thing, http://paste.debian.net/42217/ |
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| 14:49.39 | themill | EricBlade: you've pinned the regular mirrors at 990 but not pinned the citadel repo as well. With that sounds.list, you can probably get rid of all pinning, but if you want to keep it, you need to get it right. /msg dpkg pinning ; /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
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| 14:51.26 | EricBlade | themill: aha.. a new concept for me to learn. :) |
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| 14:51.55 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 14:51.55 | themill | EricBlade: well you've already started using it in /etc/apt/preferences given the output of apt-cache policy that you just pastebinned... |
| 14:52.11 | DarkUranium | I have multiple screens plugged into my PC |
| 14:52.17 | DarkUranium | and I don't know how to swap screen 1 and 2 |
| 14:52.23 | EricBlade | themill: well, I didn't do it intentionally ... |
| 14:52.27 | themill | EricBlade: :) |
| 14:52.31 | DarkUranium | right now, screen 2 is detected as my "main screen" |
| 14:52.55 | DarkUranium | I can't just replug them in the back, because I get the right screen at bootup now, and I'll get the wrong one if I replug |
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| 14:53.51 | AcidUK | I'm trying to use aptitude to install a second ftp server, that I intend to run on a different interface. Obviously aptitude is trying to remove the existing ftpd, and despite trying to resolve this with the aptitude tool, I can't seem to work out the "proper" way to do this |
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| 14:56.27 | EricBlade | themill: hmm.. I don't even have a /etc/apt/preferences .. which according to the docs is what turns it on.. so.. maybe it is on by default when lacking that? |
| 14:56.28 | fisxoj | hello, can someone point me to good documentation for making arch-independent packages to go along with arch-dependant binary packages |
| 14:56.58 | DarkUranium | brb |
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| 14:58.49 | themill | EricBlade: do you have a Default-Release in /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 14:59.59 | EricBlade | themill: yeah .. I guess that would do it? |
| 15:00.29 | themill | yes. That sets up some crude default pinning. You probably don't need it at all with that sources.list |
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| 15:03.21 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru of ldap??? i've a tedious problem with credential i've read the official guide but i don't found solution |
| 15:03.46 | mw-home | I have a file and I want to discover the package that provides that file. I think there used to be a --what-provides option, but I don't remember on what command it belongs to. Anyone? |
| 15:04.01 | themill | mw-home: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 15:05.04 | daniele_982 | Enter LDAP Password: |
| 15:05.04 | daniele_982 | ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
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| 15:09.40 | cerk | guten tag :) |
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| 15:11.09 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru of ldap??? i've a tedious problem with credential i've read the official guide but i don't found solution.....Enter LDAP Password: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
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| 15:12.27 | cerk | hello, i've got a question: is it reachable to get a metasploit framework console with devilspie in the lower case of the desktop? should look like that: http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9683/bildschirmfototfz.png (only like a sketch dunno how i could get it like this) |
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| 15:15.10 | cerk | hello, i've got a question: is it reachable to get a metasploit framework console with devilspie in the lower case of the desktop? should look like that: http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9683/bildschirmfototfz.png (only like a sketch dunno how i could get it like this) |
| 15:16.09 | Roland | i have an embedded device, which runs a custom kernel(2.6.27). when the device starts up, it recognizes a bunch of serial ports ttyUSB0-ttyUSB7. the problem is that, since the root partition is loaded after starting the kernel, these tty* devices are not added to /dev/ttyUSB* ... how to make them show up under /dev/ ? |
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| 15:17.25 | LoloftheRings | hi, I just ran out of dvd's and I want to install debian (no cd's left either). Can I burn the iso to a partition with 'dd' and then chainload it? |
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| 15:18.17 | phorce1 | OK, my / drive has remounted itseld ro again due to errors. Where is the howto for moving a system, intact, from one hard drive to another? |
| 15:19.05 | Roland | LoloftheRings, you could use a usb thumb drive |
| 15:19.24 | adb | phorce1: dd is not enough ? |
| 15:19.51 | LoloftheRings | Roland, my usb stick is just 4gb. |
| 15:19.57 | phorce1 | adb: moving from a dying 500G drive to a new 80G drive |
| 15:20.16 | LoloftheRings | Roland, can I remove say.. kde from the dvd and recreate the iso? |
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| 15:21.18 | Roland | LoloftheRings, http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 15:21.34 | fisxoj | can someone help me with creating an architecture independent deb for my package? |
| 15:21.46 | LoloftheRings | Roland, i have a wireless connection and everything is way to wired up in my room to carry my pc to my router :( |
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| 15:22.20 | Roland | LoloftheRings, wireless shoudld work also |
| 15:22.39 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru of ldap??? i've a tedious problem with credential i've read the official guide but i don't found solution.....Enter LDAP Password: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
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| 15:23.13 | LoloftheRings | Roland, not mine, I need the ralink firmware package, which isn't on the dvd (if i'm right) |
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| 15:23.30 | adb | !ralink |
| 15:23.31 | dpkg | Ralink is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline kernels, ask me about <rt2x00> and <ralink firmware>. For support of 802.11 draft-n devices, ask me about <rt2860> (PCI) or <rt2870> (USB) instead. |
| 15:23.36 | themill | !installer firmware |
| 15:23.36 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 15:23.50 | LoloftheRings | sounds good :D |
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| 15:39.45 | type64 | This is very annoying. Every time I log in XFCE starts 3 xterms, and pidgin. I don't want it to, and never set it to. |
| 15:40.31 | rysiek|pl | guys, lil' help |
| 15:40.33 | rysiek|pl | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: Exec format error |
| 15:40.34 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, rysiek|pl |
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| 15:40.53 | giwe | Can somebody indicate a good tutorial to setup ffserver in lenny? I want to serve a video from a file and ffmpeg complains about "Could not find input stream matching output stream #.0" |
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| 15:41.08 | rysiek|pl | any ideas how can I remove this package altogether? |
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| 15:43.50 | compilerwriter | I have a few technical questions: I am running into nvidia issues. My GeForce MX 420 agp8x video card is no longer supported in the driver version that Kubunutu Jaunty utilizes for x. I was wondering if may debian will still support my card via nvidia 96.43.xx in a KDE environment? |
| 15:43.58 | nkuttler | rysiek|pl: fix the script, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:44.14 | rysiek|pl | right, thanks |
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| 15:45.15 | compilerwriter | brb |
| 15:45.57 | n0de | hello! I'm trying to follow: http://www.howtoforge.com/enable-multiple-https-sites-on-one-ip-using-tls-extensions-on-debian-etch but I'm wondering surely there is a precompiled package in the apt repository instead of me having to recompile? or is this not the case? thx |
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| 15:47.27 | TTimo | Hello. I need the 32 bit version of zlib on my sid amd64 install. I read the ia32-apt-get docs and it's not making much sense. apt-get install ia32-zlib1g or ia32-apt-get install ia32-zlib1g both say package doesn't exist. Any hints? |
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| 15:48.14 | \amethyst | n0de: here is the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461917 |
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| 15:51.25 | n0de | \amethyst: thx v much :D |
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| 15:52.45 | CpR_ | Hi. My computer is shutting down by overheating. The fans seems not working when cpu speeds up so when I use Virtual Box ou play a game the laptop goes down. This is happening at several weeks. Does anyone have/had the same problem? How do you solve it? This seems similar to this bug reported in ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/370173 . Some months ago I didn't have this problem. I use Debian Testing. |
| 15:54.30 | CpR_ | (this is not a hardware problem since in windows I don't have this problem) |
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| 16:00.11 | rerushg | CpR: Did you try the "how to.." thread referenced in the link you posted? (CPU frequency scaling) |
| 16:00.11 | Cyberschorsch | hi guys. I have a problem with my debian lenny system. it seems like every *.list in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ is full of trash. is there a way to fix that automatically? |
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| 16:01.37 | bonbon | is there any repo from where i can get latest version of scilab for debian? |
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| 16:02.28 | Esine | Anyone good with configuring mkinitramfs/update-initramfs? There's a script in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ getting included I'd like to modify. Is it "correct" to modify that script directly, or should I disable the script somehow and work on my own copy of it? |
| 16:02.31 | CpR_ | rerushg which how-to? |
| 16:02.52 | \amethyst | bonbon: unstable has 5.1.1, which seems to be the latest |
| 16:02.59 | Esine | Obviously I could directly modify it and it work would perfectly, but I'm trying to break the habit of too much DIY and trying to get accustomed to Debian's way of doing things |
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| 16:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | CpR_, when there was a similar problem with a desktop, we just permanently set a lower CPU frequency in the BIOS... |
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| 16:03.43 | bonbon | \amethyst: i don't want to shift to unstable, i'd rather remain on -stable. any way for me then? |
| 16:03.47 | enouf | Esine: "getting included?" |
| 16:04.01 | Esine | enouf, included in the initramfs created by update-initramfs |
| 16:04.11 | \amethyst | bonbon: apparently it's waiting for the 'suitesparse' migration to happen before it can go into testing |
| 16:04.22 | \amethyst | bonbon: you *might* be able to compile a backport |
| 16:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, make a copy, obviously... it's part of a package and will be overwritten when you upgrade that package to a newer version |
| 16:04.23 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru of ldap??? i've a tedious problem with credential i've read the official guide but i don't found solution |
| 16:04.26 | \amethyst | !ssb > bonbon |
| 16:04.37 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 16:04.37 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 16:04.40 | enouf | Esine: as far as i recall, the one in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ is non-complete |
| 16:04.40 | themill | \amethyst: ECHAN |
| 16:04.40 | rerushg | CpR: Read down through the bug thread you posted. There's a link to another thread that seemed to work for some people. |
| 16:04.47 | bonbon | \amethyst: ok, or i'll use the binary pkg available on scilab.org |
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| 16:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, Debian takes great care not to do this with any user configurations, but I doubt these are seen as part of what a user would/should touch |
| 16:05.05 | Esine | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I was wondering if I could avoid that.. I mean, if I rename/move the script it'll be back when I upgrdae the package |
| 16:05.15 | compilerwriter | is there a livecd of debian utilizing the kde environment or would I have to install and then add kde? |
| 16:05.15 | Esine | but if I could disable the script without touching it would be great |
| 16:05.27 | \amethyst | themill: does !foo > person send them a /msg ? |
| 16:05.39 | \amethyst | themill: I was expecting at least a confirmation /msg if that was the case |
| 16:05.57 | themill | \amethyst: aiui that's a supybot thing not an infobot thing |
| 16:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, looked in /etc/initramfs-tools/ for options? |
| 16:06.13 | CpR_ | rerushg if you are talking of powernowd it don't work... |
| 16:06.27 | \amethyst | themill: oh, right, it's "tell foo about bar" |
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| 16:06.28 | themill | :) |
| 16:06.29 | \amethyst | themill: actually, it was greybot from #bash that I was thinking of |
| 16:06.32 | Esine | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing in there about disabling I'm afraid -- at least I can't find any option |
| 16:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it you want to disable? |
| 16:07.02 | CpR_ | I donw't have a way (that i know) to control the fan |
| 16:07.03 | Esine | you'd expect to find symlinks from /etc/initramfs-tools to /usr/share/.. but no |
| 16:07.06 | \amethyst | themill: which is hommeade I believe |
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| 16:07.14 | CpR_ | toshiba A200 |
| 16:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... " /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/HACKING"? |
| 16:07.22 | Esine | CutMeOwnThroat: a loop-aes script shipped with loop-aes-utils package, then copy it and modify it to suit my needs |
| 16:07.24 | rerushg | CpR:......http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=597998 |
| 16:07.31 | Esine | if I simple delete it it'll be back on package upgrade |
| 16:07.37 | Esine | and if I modify it inplace it might get overwritten |
| 16:07.41 | Esine | and then I won't have the original |
| 16:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, you could put the package on hold or something similar |
| 16:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it wouldn't be upgraded automatically |
| 16:09.01 | Esine | but it may be possible the package will have some other unrelated updates that I might want :) |
| 16:09.13 | Esine | just out of curiosity, how do you put a package on hold? |
| 16:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hold |
| 16:09.53 | dpkg | [hold] a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 16:09.59 | Esine | thanks |
| 16:10.28 | TTimo | Hello. I need the 32 bit version of zlib on my sid amd64 install. I read the ia32-apt-get docs and it's not making much sense. apt-get install ia32-zlib1g or ia32-apt-get install ia32-zlib1g both say package doesn't exist. Any hints? |
| 16:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, if you find some better method let me know... |
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| 16:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, actually, I think it would be worthwhile to hack something together if it doesn't already exist... |
| 16:11.22 | Esine | well yeah I guess those options work, but I was wondering what is Debian's official stance |
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| 16:11.41 | CpR_ | rerushg the problem is that don't solve my problem: the fans. when I need a high use of the cpu it shutdowns. I can work hours in the pc but if I use a litle bit more of the cpu it goes down. |
| 16:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, I have a couple of packages that I'd really prefer to compile on my own with different compile-options/libraries (i.e. gnuplot) - which is pretty similar to what you see |
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| 16:15.34 | rerushg | CpR: Sorry I can't help more. Suggest you try search forums and wiki. Probably best you can do here is get lucky and find someone with the same machine who's already solved the problem. You might consider scaling back the cpu until you find the fix. Beats smoking off the cpu. :) |
| 16:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's a fairly simple change... so some mechanism that would go after an upgrade and replace certain packages by getting the source package, modifying it, compiling and installing it would be rather cool |
| 16:16.31 | Esine | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, I found this in the initramfs documentation: "In order to be included in the build process, hook scripts must have the extension .hook and the executable bit must be set. That way you can easily disable a certain script by unsetting the executable bit." |
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| 16:16.53 | Esine | That might work, although I don't know if package upgrades check file permissions? |
| 16:16.55 | CpR_ | rerushg thank you anyway :\ |
| 16:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, I think upgrades remove the old package, then install the new one |
| 16:17.22 | Esine | oh.. |
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| 16:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, think of all the problems it might cause if they didn't :) |
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| 16:17.57 | rerushg | CpR: No problem. Good luck. If you find a fix put it in the forum for everyone. :) |
| 16:18.06 | Esine | hm yes |
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| 16:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, anyway - how often do you plan to use initramfs? |
| 16:18.41 | Esine | every boot ;) heh, well you're right, it's not like you need to rebuild the kernel very often |
| 16:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 16:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually normally you don't need to build a kernel at all ever |
| 16:19.10 | Esine | I mean, I guess I won't have a need to run update-initramfs many times |
| 16:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least these days... |
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| 16:19.18 | Esine | sorry, I meant upgrade kernel* |
| 16:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 16:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still got a machine that runs a 2.4 kernel |
| 16:19.35 | Esine | oh wow |
| 16:19.58 | compilerwriter | I am trying Debian coming from a Kubuntu environment. If I should want to try xoffice or say gnome would I just be able to install the DE and then choose at login which session I wished to run? |
| 16:20.02 | Esine | We had one 2.4 on an old rhel but I upgraded it just a while ago.. |
| 16:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I already upgraded, but it didn't boot since then or so? (I'm not really responsible for it anymore) |
| 16:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no boot since 141 days - could be :) |
| 16:20.35 | enouf | Esine: (sorry - had important phone call, and haven't yet followed the scrollback) -- i was going to ask--> have you cp your initrd and "zcat initrd.img-$VERSION | cpio -i" |
| 16:20.46 | Esine | yes enouf |
| 16:20.50 | Esine | I use that to check everything is correct |
| 16:20.56 | enouf | Esine: and compared with what's in /usr/share/ |
| 16:21.00 | enouf | ok |
| 16:21.21 | jerryeguru | apache2 is parsing the GD config file but GD is not enabled according to my php info, i have restarted apache several time but still the same issue |
| 16:21.37 | enouf | Esine: i'll start on the scrollback now - try to catch up |
| 16:21.40 | Esine | :) |
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| 16:23.48 | jerryeguru | i installed like aptitude install php5-gd. maybe i am missing something |
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| 16:27.19 | cr0mulent | is there a howto on secure apt, im reading the one on debian.org and im running into trouble getting keys from the server they suggest. |
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| 16:27.55 | enouf | Esine: i read some of your convo with CutMeOwnThroat .. and .. do you realize kernel-package has had many revisions in recent verions (which might be slightly off the mark you seek), however, related, since make-kpkg with the -initrd option is now to be configured elsewhere (/etc/kernel/..) See http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt (scan it for that dir/ name i mentioned) - so perhaps you can control it through those methods |
| 16:28.01 | enouf | -- otherwise, i can only think of perhaps /msg dpkg equivs as an alternate to "hold" |
| 16:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jerryeguru, well, there's only the .so and /etc/php5/conf.d/gd.ini and /usr/share/doc/php5-gd ... looked in both for hints? |
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| 16:28.33 | Esine | hum |
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| 16:29.08 | Esine | I'll check that out. Thanks enof |
| 16:29.11 | enouf | Esine: note also; the /etc/kernel-{pkg,img}.conf files are honored, IIRC |
| 16:29.22 | Esine | I've never heard of such files. |
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| 16:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, yes... if the DE is not an option in the installer you choose, you can install it afterwards... gdm/kdm let you choose what windows manager/DE you're dropped in after login |
| 16:30.34 | enouf | Esine: actually, you can control mkinitramfs-kpkg from ever running, IIRC, from there .. man kernel<TAB><TAB> |
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| 16:31.27 | somiaj | anyone using sid on amd64 getting the new apt-get-ia32 working right for ia32 libs? Last I checked it wasn't working that well seeing if there have been any updates. |
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| 16:31.40 | Esine | well sometimes I want to run update-initramfs, that's the whole point enouf. What I'm after here is packages not overwriting my update-initramfs/initramfs-tools scripts. |
| 16:31.51 | compilerwriter | CutMeOwnThroat: Will the live cd allow me to install when if I choose to try an install of Debian or will I need to burn a different cd? |
| 16:31.57 | Esine | Or enabling a duplicated script in the initramfs which would break things, as I have a custom version |
| 16:31.57 | enouf | Esine: the maintainer of kernel-package has been here, now and then - his nick is manoj - doesn't seem around atm though |
| 16:32.16 | enouf | Esine: i see .. |
| 16:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, that I don't know... I never tried the live cd... and it's quite a recent addition... |
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| 16:33.11 | compilerwriter | CutMeOwnThroat: I know Kubuntu was based largely on Debian to begin with. What are the major differences I will need to know about? Does Debian use the sudo construct or will I have a root account? Those sort of questions. |
| 16:33.12 | enouf | Esine: i've been away from thinking about such things for a week or so - so give me some time to regain my neurons that might apply ;-) |
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| 16:33.30 | Esine | :-) |
| 16:33.35 | Esine | been on a holiday? |
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| 16:33.49 | jerryeguru | CutMeOwnThroat: i do not have /usr/share/doc/php5-gd and in my /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i have this extension_dir = "./", plus i am getting this >> http://pastebin.com/d5d054b0e |
| 16:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, you can choose that... I myself use the root account and never touch sudo... |
| 16:34.11 | enouf | Esine: you might say that ;-) |
| 16:34.11 | compilerwriter | enouf I hope you didn't destroy those neurons whilst you were away. |
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| 16:34.32 | enouf | compilerwriter: nothing but pure, and very deliberate attempts ;-) |
| 16:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, else, I don't know, I never ran Ubuntu... if you run stable, packages will be older, and because of that, there'll be less bugs/problems (actually the older it gets the less bugs to expect, as stable will only get bugfixes right?) |
| 16:35.43 | physicspackage | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.04 | compilerwriter | CutMeOwnThroat: Is there a reason you utilize the root account instead of sudo besides personal preference? IE do you have a security or cs considerations involved? |
| 16:36.30 | physicspackage | It looks like ifconfig is being retplaced |
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| 16:36.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, if you need things like lame, they're not in Debian, but you can "/msg dpkg dmm", there's an unofficial repro which has most things |
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| 16:37.24 | enouf | Esine: ok, so; initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs is the package that delivers the script -- so .. hrm |
| 16:37.48 | Esine | well actually in this case (loopaes) it's loop-aes-utils, enouf. |
| 16:38.04 | Esine | But I've modified the script shipping with loop-aes-utils a bit to suit my use |
| 16:38.06 | compilerwriter | CutMeOwnThroat: all I really need is Firefox Kmymoney2 Konversation and Open Office, and the KDE Personal Information Manager. |
| 16:38.13 | Esine | and I would like to use my version, and never the one shipped with the package |
| 16:38.32 | enouf | Esine: you might want to try an email to debian-kernel mail at lists.debian.org (there's also a channel on OFTC.net / irc.debian.org) |
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| 16:39.15 | enouf | Esine: note though; they would promote make-dpkg over, make-kpkg, IIRC, and AIUI |
| 16:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, guess it depends on your setup - you can have a passwordless sudo for certain users, making them root-equivalents... you might look at http://wiki.debian.org/sudo for details in Debian |
| 16:39.37 | Esine | Thanks, although I think I'll hold on to just disabling the execute bit of the original script and making a copy. It doesn't solve the original problem but.. |
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| 16:39.46 | enouf | Esine: i can't even recall now, is it; "make-debpkg" or "make-dpkg" heh |
| 16:39.59 | enouf | !listvals make-dpkg |
| 16:40.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'make-dpkg' by value returned no results. |
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| 16:40.08 | enouf | !listvals make-debpkg |
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| 16:40.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'make-debpkg' by value returned no results. |
| 16:40.23 | ranix | there's make-kpkg for kernal packages |
| 16:40.29 | enouf | wow .. i suck -- compilerwriter -- i think i succeeded |
| 16:40.30 | ranix | judd: versions make-kpkg |
| 16:40.30 | compilerwriter | enouf I understand how you feel I just had to remember how to do ftp from console the other day. Talk about a blast from the past. |
| 16:40.31 | judd | ranix: make-kpkg -- |
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| 16:40.33 | ranix | hm |
| 16:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, no idea what a 'KDE Personal Information Manager' is... but shouldn't be a problem |
| 16:40.44 | jelly | ranix: "kernel-package" |
| 16:40.56 | enouf | ranix: that's not what the Official Debian kernel devs use |
| 16:41.14 | ranix | there's libdebian-package-make-perl |
| 16:41.15 | jelly | but it works. Usually. |
| 16:41.28 | enouf | ranix: and as jelly mentioned; it's kernel-package that contains that stuff |
| 16:41.34 | enouf | indeed |
| 16:41.53 | ranix | kernEl |
| 16:41.54 | enouf | !trunk kernel |
| 16:41.54 | dpkg | Visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org for more information on these kernels. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. |
| 16:42.10 | enouf | Esine: that above info should/might also be useful |
| 16:42.23 | Esine | yes.. |
| 16:42.26 | compilerwriter | CutMeOwnThroat: the KDE PIM is the kde answer to Outlook. Keeps calendars, contacts and emails all neatly integrated. It is a front end for kmail, kalendar and the like. |
| 16:42.33 | jelly | right, the first wiki link also explains how the off. packages are built |
| 16:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ about your question with the live-cd... doesn't look like it |
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| 16:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, ah, 'kdepim' - seen that :) - you can check for other packages at packages.debian.org - the things you mentioned are all there |
| 16:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | (they're not really exotic anyway) |
| 16:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | only firefox is rebranded to "iceweasel" because Debian distributes a patched version |
| 16:44.43 | compilerwriter | I'm not an exotic sort. CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 16:44.57 | compilerwriter | Iceweasel is firefox ok. |
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| 16:46.28 | enouf | jelly: please refresh my memory; i scanned that 1st URL for 'make' and nothing like 'make-deb' appears .. what is the name that they use? |
| 16:47.54 | giwe | does anyone know a step-by-step setup for ffserver in lenny? |
| 16:47.58 | jelly | enouf: mh, it's the other one |
| 16:48.24 | compilerwriter | What is the code name for 5.01 stable is that lenny, etch , or what? |
| 16:48.25 | somiaj | giwe: have you checked out /usr/share/doc/ffserver [or what ever the offical package name is], there is usually info there about things to get it running after you have installed it. |
| 16:48.51 | somiaj | compilerwriter: correct, but should really upgrade to 5.0.2 the current release of lenny with all the security updates. |
| 16:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | what the ff is ffserver |
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| 16:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, lenny... lenny=stable, testing=squeeze, unstable=sid |
| 16:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | squeeze will be the next stable and testing will get a new name, unstable always stays sid |
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| 16:55.18 | compilerwriter | I am going to try the livecd and see how things go. If they go well I will install on my hard disk from the newest version. |
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| 16:56.30 | compilerwriter | CutMeOwnThroat: the one hiccup I may have is that this box has an old nvidia graphics card on it. From the research I have found on the web I should be able to work with it in lenny but I am not sure if it will work on the live cd. any suggestions? |
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| 16:57.01 | fxiny | phorce1: so ? have you finished "deratizating" that hd ? |
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| 16:58.24 | phorce1 | fxiny: I just rebooted the machine into single user mode. |
| 16:58.27 | phorce1 | now I have to figure out which drive is what before I start formatting and copying. I *hate* moving drives around. |
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| 16:59.06 | phorce1 | I'm using irssi on the backup machine right now to be connected (irssi in putty on Windoze -- heh) |
| 16:59.24 | enouf | jelly: other URL? which? |
| 16:59.37 | fxiny | enouf: you back ? |
| 16:59.41 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
| 16:59.45 | enouf | phorce1: !! |
| 16:59.53 | phorce1 | enouf: !! |
| 17:00.17 | jelly | enouf: the long wiki one |
| 17:00.19 | clusty | hey |
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| 17:00.30 | jelly | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 17:00.44 | enouf | jelly: thanks - |
| 17:01.00 | g00se | What's a good screenshot-lite app? Am on a live disk at mo and want to send screenshot |
| 17:01.04 | enouf | phorce1: stop moving drives around |
| 17:01.23 | phorce1 | damn, single user mode is SERIOUS about "single" user. Can't open other terms. |
| 17:01.47 | enouf | phorce1: correct, only tty1 is available |
| 17:01.54 | alkyC1 | g00se, print screen |
| 17:02.29 | enouf | phorce1: try a ps aux, or pstree -lunap once in single |
| 17:03.10 | g00se | alkyC1: haha. You know i've never tried that in Linux... |
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| 17:03.50 | enouf | phorce1: also, notivce the diff between doing ^D and logging in as root |
| 17:03.50 | Esine | g00se: also: import -window root screenshot.png |
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| 17:04.57 | enouf | phorce1: unfortunately there's a sysv "gotcha" if you attempt 'runlevel' to tell you which you are in, and which preceded |
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| 17:05.37 | enouf | phorce1: IOW, the S you see, does *not* mean all rcS.d/ scripts were re-run .. etc |
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| 17:06.04 | Ideogroaph | finally! |
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| 17:06.27 | fxiny | Ideogroaph: say shangri-la next :P |
| 17:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, probably works okish with the 'nv' driver ... when you install, you probably want to use nvidias proprietary driver |
| 17:06.36 | Ideogroaph | Alright |
| 17:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell compilerwriter -about nvidia |
| 17:06.44 | ewet | hi, is there a gtk dvd database where i can organize my videos? |
| 17:06.44 | Ideogroaph | damn kopete is horrible for IRC |
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| 17:07.04 | enouf | phorce1: this is most notable when one does "telinit 1" from within runlevel 2 |
| 17:07.42 | abrotman | Ideogroaph: let me be the first to say ... "duh" |
| 17:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | compilerwriter, main difference between sudo/su is that you can do a lot of things as root at at time with once calling su... with all its good and bad implications |
| 17:08.04 | phorce1 | enouf: customer on phone will read scrollback in a minute |
| 17:08.14 | pipegeek | course, you can do the same things with sudo (sudo -s) |
| 17:08.16 | Ideogroaph | well my first time to ever use it haha, perhaps ksirc is better |
| 17:08.20 | enouf | !atatsmite CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 17:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that's the name of a Lagwagon cd! |
| 17:08.37 | abrotman | duh ? |
| 17:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes! |
| 17:09.04 | g00se | Esine: import? I've never heard of that outside bash. What is it? |
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| 17:09.30 | enouf | import is a imagemagick thing, IIRC |
| 17:09.31 | abrotman | g00se: for taking screenshots .. among other things |
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| 17:10.16 | Esine | yes, imagemagick |
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| 17:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, with astonishing songs like 'Beer Googles' or 'Stop Whining' :-P |
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| 17:10.42 | abrotman | sounds like a CD for enouf |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | hides |
| 17:11.06 | enouf | only likes regex-named songs |
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| 17:11.30 | abrotman | "Hey have you heard 's/foo/bar/g' yet .. awesome track!" |
| 17:11.44 | g00se | CutMeOwnThroat: Sure that's not 'Stop Wining'? i.e. leave that emulation alone |
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| 17:11.51 | enouf | that's not even a regex! |
| 17:12.08 | Ideograb | hey what dir is the /drives/ under? |
| 17:12.13 | enouf | !regexsmite abrotman |
| 17:12.18 | abrotman | Ideograb: uh what? |
| 17:12.20 | \amethyst | Ideograb: /media/ |
| 17:12.32 | Ideograb | oh damn... |
| 17:12.34 | enouf | Ideograb: df -h |
| 17:12.34 | \amethyst | Ideograb: if you're talking about the mount points for removable media |
| 17:12.58 | Ideograb | stumbled upon it in konqueror yesterday, let's see if I can find it again |
| 17:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... then it's /media/usb* |
| 17:13.23 | enouf | Ideograb: kde has "kdioslaves" |
| 17:13.27 | enouf | or whatever |
| 17:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he means regexps like "f*ck" |
| 17:13.29 | Ideograb | hmm, konqueror only shows me media:/ |
| 17:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they didn't even get that right! |
| 17:14.05 | enouf | yes; see http://en.opensuse.org/Konqueror_Tips_and_Tricks |
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| 17:14.35 | enouf | audiocd:/ <-- beauty .. heh |
| 17:14.51 | Ideograb | also not just usb CutMeOwnThroat but the hdd and cd |
| 17:15.03 | enouf | kde4 might even more mutilated |
| 17:15.34 | fxiny | enouf: kerarser head ? :P |
| 17:15.46 | enouf | Ideograb: stop thinking like windows ; the Linux GUI doesn't work like that |
| 17:16.00 | enouf | fxiny: !eraserhead! |
| 17:16.14 | fxiny | nice movie |
| 17:16.37 | Ideograb | well I realise that, I just don't know how to find places according to the physical location yet |
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| 17:16.47 | enouf | fxiny: i was so strung out on mesc when i saw that., .. i lost my ski gloves :-P |
| 17:17.26 | enouf | fxiny: some 20+ yrs ago ... ofcourse |
| 17:17.30 | fxiny | enouf: i know what you mean , i still remember my very first eraserhead |
| 17:17.48 | Ideograb | k I can see the old world under /dev/disk |
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| 17:18.05 | ZitZ | hey quick question, i'm trying to write a script to run at startup, first I want it to start stalonetray, then conky, but when I run the script from the terminal it starts stalonetray, but does not start conky until I control-c stalonetray |
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| 17:18.41 | ZitZ | How do I make it start stalonetray then start conky, or start them simultaneously |
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| 17:19.26 | fxiny | enouf: there was another fantastic movie at that time , black and white , about real USA life , can't remember the name |
| 17:19.45 | fxiny | but it was the only BW around |
| 17:20.12 | enouf | fxiny: Rocky Horror Picture Show :-P |
| 17:20.37 | fxiny | enouf: hahahah |
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| 17:21.02 | Ideograb | hm, can't figure out why i see two samsung devices if I have just one single partition disc |
| 17:21.17 | enouf | cat /proc/partitions |
| 17:21.31 | enouf | LVM possibly |
| 17:22.00 | Ideograb | curses at backspace not being shortcut |
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| 17:22.28 | phorce1 | oops, /dev/sdb1 was mounted in 2 places |
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| 17:23.05 | phorce1 | needs to add labels to all the drives and use them in fstab |
| 17:23.52 | Ideograb | any idea where to find package management in kde 3.5? |
| 17:24.04 | ajavid | fxiny, I was gonna tell you something but then I forgot |
| 17:24.10 | enouf | !overmountsmite phorce1 |
| 17:24.21 | ZitZ | nevermind, I used && instead of just & |
| 17:25.15 | enouf | ZitZ: & backgrounds, while && runs only if prior command succeeds |
| 17:25.19 | debianLiveNoob | any idea why I might get premission denied for media:/hda1 |
| 17:25.34 | enouf | you don;t have permission |
| 17:25.34 | phorce1 | hah, /dev/sdd with no /part1 listed, that has to be the new drive. Gets ugly when there's a card reader built into the machine that adds sdf,g,h,i,j,ad infinitum |
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| 17:26.17 | debianLiveNoob | what is it that isn't 'giving' me premission |
| 17:26.41 | ZitZ | right |
| 17:26.45 | fxiny | ajavid: i'm googling for a movie title |
| 17:26.45 | enouf | debianLiveNoob: the FStype and uni* permissions |
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| 17:27.14 | enouf | debianLiveNoob: plus, your DE is fucking with you |
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| 17:27.27 | fxiny | ajavid: because enouf memory don't work on monday , i'm sure he knows it ;) |
| 17:27.53 | debianLiveNoob | sorry don't know what DE is. Any idea how to make my disc accessible to debianLive? |
| 17:28.49 | phorce1 | ok, new 80G drive that's just for the base system. What, set /boot to 5G so I can haz my multiple kernels all sitting there at once. Then a 2G swap and the rest of it for / ? |
| 17:30.25 | adb | no , / 5G 2G swap, rest /home |
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| 17:30.49 | phorce1 | adb: /home is on another drive already |
| 17:31.40 | phorce1 | the 80G drive is JUST for the OS |
| 17:32.43 | enouf | debianLiveNoob: try #debian-live |
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| 17:34.51 | adb | phorce1: 80G is far to much for OS .. |
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| 17:36.08 | adb | phorce1: / 5G 2G swap, rest /data |
| 17:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, grub-save-default doesn't work for me - it's writing stuff correctly into /boot/grub/default but on boot always the 1st entry ist booted... what could be wrong? |
| 17:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | strace ain't helpful |
| 17:37.08 | Esine | well maybe a bit more than 5 gigabytes abd.. I have a 3 year old gentoo intsall with tons of stuff installed, weighing at 55 gigabytes / (excludes /home) |
| 17:37.18 | Esine | so I guess 15 gigabytes would be more than enough for most users |
| 17:37.19 | debianLiveNoob | enouf: it's empty |
| 17:37.40 | xci | I would put something like 20G+ nowadays |
| 17:37.42 | fxiny | ajavid: shot m i'm here , can't find it |
| 17:37.48 | xci | I constantly have problems with my 8G |
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| 17:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd move the 3rd (winblows) entry to the start, but then I'm moving it into the part update-grub normally changes |
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| 17:39.44 | phorce1 | adb: / + /boot is currently using 7.2G --- I do a lot of fiddling around with compiling unpackaged stuff in /usr/local |
| 17:41.01 | BoltPower21 | Got a history (backgroud) type question. Has the mount command always been able to auto-detect filesystems? If not what version of mount or kernel did that change so mount could? |
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| 17:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "always" is a long time :) |
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| 17:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it has for at least 8 years or so, though (as long as I'm aware of it) |
| 17:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but not in every case... and still it doesn't do it all the time |
| 17:43.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least so I think... |
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| 17:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, perhaps I had some fstab entry though that would |
| 17:44.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | do that |
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| 17:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ach, not sure anymore |
| 17:45.33 | Titan8990 | i would think that it would be as long ago as fdisk could read the system id |
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| 17:46.40 | debianLiveNoob | I think it's rather strange that brightness adjustment shortcut works but volume adjustment doesn't |
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| 17:52.15 | ZitZ | does anyone here have the html5 youtube demo working with iceweasel 3.5? |
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| 17:52.57 | jelly | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 17:52.57 | judd | jelly: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 experimental: 3.5-1 |
| 17:53.15 | justin | ZitZ: no, but thevideobay.org works fine |
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| 17:53.51 | biopyte | hi. is there a tool to monitor my daily amount of network traffic? no sniffing, just counting up- and download. |
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| 17:54.09 | jelly | ZitZ: is it supposed to work? I thought mozilla left some things out |
| 17:54.46 | justin | biopyte: vnstat |
| 17:54.56 | ZitZ | jelly: I have no idea |
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| 17:55.41 | ZitZ | justin: how do you get thevideobay to use html5, i think it's using flash on mine |
| 17:56.01 | justin | ZitZ: you think? right click the video |
| 17:56.07 | ZitZ | no, it's html5 you're right |
| 17:56.17 | ZitZ | it just doesn't seem any faster here |
| 17:56.38 | justin | i dont think the video output uses Xv |
| 17:57.19 | justin | the nice thing is that you can just copy the video location and view it with mplayer :) |
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| 17:57.43 | justin | i suppose it is also possible for an extension or plugin to override the playing of the video |
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| 17:58.48 | ZitZ | no it works there, it just isn't working at youtube, i wonder why |
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| 17:59.07 | jelly | installs proper firefox |
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| 18:00.17 | heffay | how would i have gnome as my desktop when im in front of my computer but have fluxbox when i vnc into it? |
| 18:00.31 | justin | ZitZ: youtube uses h.264 which I dont think FF supports |
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| 18:00.36 | linduxed | ive got a somewhere around 20-25 directories, organized as both top level and second level directories. these directories need to be accessed by somewhere around 30 different users, all with different sets of rights. currently the system is organized by having groups called Gr1-Gr10, with directories being owned according to needs (users are stuffed into proper groups). |
| 18:00.36 | linduxed | the thing is though that this is hard to maintain and does make a mess when you have to figure out what group does what (ive got a chart but it does get irritating). Is there a different way to do things that people would recomend? can one make groups of groups or something? |
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| 18:00.45 | justin | 'mplayer http://www.youtube.com//demo/google_main.mp4' plays it fine though |
| 18:00.46 | daniele_982 | hello all same guru of ldap i'm desperate...incomprensible problem: Enter LDAP Password: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 18:00.52 | ``y7 | can BitchX be installed with apt-get install BitchX on debian 5.02? |
| 18:01.02 | Phil4 | http://www.blyon.com/blog/index.php/2009/07/20/openssh-owned/ <-- anyone know anything about that? |
| 18:01.06 | craigevil | !bithcx |
| 18:01.26 | ZitZ | I know that some codec support was left out because apple complained about the patent possiblities with the ogg codec |
| 18:01.33 | biopyte | justin: ok |
| 18:01.42 | ZitZ | of the html5 tag |
| 18:01.50 | jelly | daniele_982: have you tried asking in #ldap or #openldap? |
| 18:02.00 | craigevil | ``y7: Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
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| 18:02.14 | daniele_982 | jelly: no...i try it |
| 18:02.56 | phorce1 | very cool, fstab is now a bunch of LABEL= lines. Should help solve the moving drives problem if I have to do it again |
| 18:03.07 | jelly | Phil4: openssh developers and isc diary think it unlikely to be true |
| 18:03.11 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 18:03.35 | biopyte | justin: is there also something like vnstat with GUI? |
| 18:03.38 | Esine | probably a joke Phil4 |
| 18:03.54 | Phil4 | hrmmm, ok |
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| 18:04.07 | Phil4 | we'll see |
| 18:04.18 | Phil4 | worth changing ports anyway? |
| 18:04.49 | jelly | Phil4: whatever you do, DON'T PANIC. |
| 18:04.54 | cokeslut | don't know |
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| 18:04.57 | justin | Phil4: always change the SSH port :) |
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| 18:05.20 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 18:05.59 | Phil4 | after serving in Iraq, a few 'hackers' aren't exactly panic material |
| 18:06.30 | Phil4 | but I'll stick up a firewall rule for the next couple of days until it's proved either way |
| 18:06.45 | jelly | Phil4: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6760 (an answer to their previous claims) |
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| 18:09.05 | phorce1 | and ... the thing I don't like about copying with mc -- it pretty much just hangs the machine with no visible progress indicator when copying large amounts |
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| 18:10.24 | Phil4 | ok all, cheers :) |
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| 18:11.27 | phorce1 | still have to duplicate the directory structure for the things that don't get copied too (like the other mountpoints /home /320 /terrorbyte /proc /sys) |
| 18:12.10 | jelly | phorce1: hangs the machine?? Including other open shells? |
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| 18:12.42 | phorce1 | jelly: not other shells but I'm in single user mode right now |
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| 18:13.01 | phorce1 | there are no other shells |
| 18:13.13 | jelly | phorce1: openvt -c 2 /bin/sh, Alt-F2 |
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| 18:14.19 | ``y7 | what's a simple irc client that i could use to replace bitchx with that doesn't require a gui to run? |
| 18:14.23 | phorce1 | jelly: already copying. It only hangs while it's "gathering info" on what is to be copied. Once it starts actually moving data the progress indicators come on |
| 18:14.26 | jelly | ``y7: irssi |
| 18:14.29 | ``y7 | thx |
| 18:14.35 | phorce1 | ``y7: irssi |
| 18:14.43 | jelly | dupe! |
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| 18:14.55 | phorce1 | ``y7: it can be run in putty on a windows machine also |
| 18:15.04 | ``y7 | that's what i'm using |
| 18:15.12 | ``y7 | but i'm sshed into debian.. so i'm not sure if it's any different |
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| 18:15.24 | phorce1 | that's what I'm doing now while salvaging my Debian box |
| 18:15.29 | hello22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.46 | justin | hello22: do you not have gnome installed now? |
| 18:15.53 | phorce1 | hello22: lots, but I think not as much as kde ;-) |
| 18:15.56 | themill | hello22: about 1GB of disk space with the default install. (same as kde) |
| 18:16.26 | themill | phorce1: never let accuracy get in the way of a chance to troll kde, will you now. |
| 18:16.29 | jelly | hm. I could install 80 gnomes then. |
| 18:16.40 | themill | jelly: install them where? |
| 18:16.54 | jelly | themill: front lawn! |
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| 18:17.10 | phorce1 | kde is looking nice in the 4 versions, it just stays too far ahead of Debian stable to hold my interest |
| 18:17.41 | fxiny | good . join the xmonad cult |
| 18:17.50 | hello22 | damn my / and home is on serperate partions i have /dev/sdc1 with 1,3 gb with 434 spare and home with 2.2 gb free , any way i can isntall gnome to /home |
| 18:18.04 | Esine | hey fxiny xmonad using buddy :) |
| 18:18.14 | the_lalelu | bzed: it is so shocking to see you here. ;) |
| 18:18.15 | luke3321 | hello22: I had the same problem |
| 18:18.27 | fxiny | Esine: best wm :) |
| 18:18.50 | hello22 | luke3321 what you do ? |
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| 18:19.30 | luke3321 | hello22: Booted up a live cd, copied the /home to the / partition then merged the two partitions and edited fstab to reflect the changes |
| 18:20.05 | luke3321 | hello22: Then you dont have to worry about which partition stuff goes into |
| 18:20.08 | phorce1 | woohoo, 70% copied. Next I get to figure out how to make grub play nice with the new drive and get it switched around in bios to be the default boot device |
| 18:20.43 | fxiny | phorce1: using cp ? |
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| 18:21.08 | phorce1 | fxiny: using mc so I could just highlight the directories that needed to be moved |
| 18:21.33 | phorce1 | consol gui's sometimes have a purpose |
| 18:21.34 | hello22 | luke3321 sounds complicicated , might end up installing fluxbox =/ |
| 18:21.45 | ``y7 | how can i change my user pw and root pw on debian 3.1 via terminal? |
| 18:22.08 | luke3321 | hello22: There's always that. And its not as complicated as you think. It just takes a while to merge the partitions |
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| 18:22.13 | phorce1 | ``y7: login as root and use passwd |
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| 18:22.59 | ``y7 | thx |
| 18:23.26 | phorce1 | ``y7: actually, since you're remote, ssh in as user then su to root, then use pawwsd |
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| 18:23.37 | ``y7 | already done :) |
| 18:25.11 | hello22 | luke3321 i have a forth hard drive /dev/sdb1 could change that to ext3? |
| 18:25.27 | hello22 | luke3321 i mean to /home |
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| 18:26.10 | luke3321 | hello22: Yeah, thats another way. The way I have my system set up is 1 250gb HD for / and another 250 gb HD for /home |
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| 18:28.33 | porter | hi folks |
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| 18:30.26 | hello22 | luke3321 ok ild do that let me tell me what im planing bit paranoid of it going wrong firstly format /dev/sda1 to xfs then cp contents of my /home to /dev/sda1 and in fstab change partion from old /home to /dev/sda1 |
| 18:30.28 | luke3321 | porter: hey |
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| 18:31.04 | luke3321 | hello22: mhm, and make sure you specify the mount options of xfs in fstab |
| 18:31.34 | rmichel | hi, anyone who works with mellanox infiniband cards ? |
| 18:31.41 | hello22 | luke3321 ok , is xfs faster than ext its on a small sd card. |
| 18:31.55 | luke3321 | hello22: that i dont know off the top of my head |
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| 18:32.21 | hello22 | luke3321 alrigtht thanks for your help. |
| 18:32.22 | Esine | xfs is generally better in many regards than either ext2 or ext3 |
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| 18:32.33 | luke3321 | hello22: np |
| 18:32.34 | Esine | What it lacks is as wide support and shrinking |
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| 18:33.15 | phorce1 | is /sys populated at boot by the system? |
| 18:33.22 | porter | the other day i had to "make-kpkg --revision --initrd bla" and everything went fine. after dpkg -i new-kernel.deb and rebooting i noticed the new kernel wasnt able to find my hardisks anymore. i have no stata harddisks, and the menu-list entries in grub were set correctly. still the new kernel asked me for sdx devices . well, on the grub console i asked grub to boot from /dev/sdxx and the result was a clean and fresh boot. what am i missing? |
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| 18:33.44 | hello22 | Esine Ok will use xfs. Thanks. |
| 18:33.56 | porter | since when are the ide harddisks called "sdx" these days? |
| 18:34.03 | azeem | Esine: eh what? |
| 18:34.11 | Esine | azeem hmmm? |
| 18:34.17 | azeem | Esine: please do not recommend xfs in here |
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| 18:34.23 | Esine | Numerous benchmarks show xfs performs better |
| 18:34.28 | Esine | Please educate us, azeem. |
| 18:34.36 | luke3321 | porter: AFAIK they arent sdx, I thought they were hdx |
| 18:34.48 | azeem | Esine: it's also not very much maintained |
| 18:34.48 | Esine | I understand ext2/3 has its place, especially in some corporations, as it is much more widely supported |
| 18:35.13 | azeem | I think it's the other way round |
| 18:35.18 | porter | luke3321: imagine how surprised I was, on a 10 years old machine , having sata disks, overnight |
| 18:35.27 | azeem | xfs might have its place in /very special circumstances/ |
| 18:35.33 | luke3321 | porter: haha I bet |
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| 18:35.52 | Esine | if you take a casual home user as a very special circumstance, then yes |
| 18:35.54 | avu | when chosing a file system, 'well tested' and 'stable' are highest on the list I think. and ext3 currently beats all in those regards |
| 18:36.05 | porter | so what am i missing? its' been a long time i had to build a kernel |
| 18:36.29 | chops1 | I just set samba up to authenticate AD users, and there's a user who claims that he can log in to the samba share when he logs into his machine as a domain user, but not if he's logged in as a local user. Anyone have any advice? |
| 18:36.33 | luke3321 | porter: Same here, I dont think I would be the best to help you in that department |
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| 18:36.57 | porter | hm |
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| 18:37.22 | porter | i'm quite surprised really, i expected from debian stable .... not to do such things |
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| 18:37.39 | porter | strange |
| 18:37.45 | luke3321 | porter: Why are you building a custom kernel anyhow? |
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| 18:38.22 | porter | a bunch of gangsters kidnapped me and told me if i didn't build a new one i'm gonna pay with my life |
| 18:38.32 | chops1 | porter: I build kernels a lot and just logged in. What's your issue again? |
| 18:38.50 | luke3321 | porter: Damn, I hate it when that happens, but there you go, someone to help you |
| 18:39.01 | chops1 | Incidentally, the user has now reported that he thinks he was "tied up in [his] underwear", i.e. that everything works |
| 18:39.03 | themill | porter: this isn't a recent change in debian stable |
| 18:39.12 | porter | haviing only IDE hardisks, i was surprised how debina stable (lenny) all of the sudden calls my hardisks "sdxx" |
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| 18:39.42 | themill | porter: lenny has done this since its initial release and the change is documented in the release notes |
| 18:39.43 | azeem | strange, it doesn't for me |
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| 18:39.58 | porter | BINGO |
| 18:40.05 | porter | themill: that might explains it |
| 18:40.16 | themill | porter: you upgraded without reading the release notes? |
| 18:40.16 | JoshH | my ide drives are called hdx in lenny |
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| 18:40.21 | porter | i was thinking i must have missed something |
| 18:40.35 | porter | JoshH: standard kernel or custom? |
| 18:40.41 | JoshH | standard |
| 18:40.49 | porter | custom here |
| 18:41.04 | azeem | porter: eh wait, you're complaining about a custom kernel? |
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| 18:41.09 | JoshH | if it's custom, i wouldn't say it's a lenny issue |
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| 18:42.04 | porter | well, the story is,i upgraded from etch a few days ago and got a new standard lenny kernel but i had to build a new kernel myself, since then my hdxx are called sdxx |
| 18:42.22 | azeem | porter: so complain to that "porter" guy |
| 18:42.44 | porter | well |
| 18:42.49 | porter | its funny |
| 18:42.49 | amphi | heh |
| 18:43.25 | porter | i thought ubuntu and such would surprise me but stable? |
| 18:43.41 | porter | i must be missing something |
| 18:43.42 | JoshH | again, it's not due to anything debian did at all |
| 18:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | porter, or complain to the gansters who made you build the custom kernel... |
| 18:44.00 | porter | :-) |
| 18:44.11 | porter | i better not |
| 18:44.13 | JoshH | issues with your custom kernel have nothign whatsoever to do with your distro |
| 18:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly don't... I heard they can get a bit itchy |
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| 18:44.48 | themill | porter: explain to me again how you not reading the release notes and you randomly compiling kernels with different settings has anything to do with the stability or otherwise of debian lenny? |
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| 18:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why do the gansters want you to have a custom kernel |
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| 18:45.22 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: They are horribly irrational and like forcing people to do needless things |
| 18:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I bet it's because he's a politician and know how to set his priorities right |
| 18:45.26 | ``y7 | if i have a one user system, is there any point in making the root pw any different from the regular user's pw? |
| 18:45.32 | porter | lol |
| 18:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, priority no. 1: place the blame (far, far away from myself) |
| 18:46.26 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds like a fair summary so far |
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| 18:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ``y7, if someone manages to get (sniff, guess, whatever) your user pw somehow, he'll also have your root password? |
| 18:47.24 | ``y7 | but wouldn't he be able to do that by installing something into my regular user's system and then sniff out the root pw later? |
| 18:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly |
| 18:48.09 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, generally I think it's easier to get root access when you already have an account than gain access at all... (depending on set-up of course) |
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| 18:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | because there's so many more exploits you have access to if you already got an account, because you see all programs, not just the few that are open to the net |
| 18:50.02 | ``y7 | roger |
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| 18:50.53 | ircleuser | Hi, I'm a poor ubuntu user now using a debian and trying to install a simple xauth app, apt-get install xauth is failing miserably, is there a source list like in ubuntu if so do you know a good reference site to find the package associated with xauth so I can activate the right "repository" |
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| 18:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, also... did it ever strike you as funny that "taking responsibility" for politicians normally at most means they'll resign from that specific post? |
| 18:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xauth |
| 18:51.27 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: xauth -- lenny: 1:1.0.3-2 sid: 1:1.0.3-2 squeeze: 1:1.0.3-2 |
| 18:51.42 | phorce1 | in fstab, wil LABEL= work for / just as for other mount points? |
| 18:51.51 | fxiny | resigning ? where ? not here in bananaland :P |
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| 18:51.56 | jelly | phorce1: yes |
| 18:52.08 | jelly | phorce1: also in root= boot parameter |
| 18:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ircleuser, it's in the main repository... shouldn't fail |
| 18:52.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ircleuser, to answer your question about searching... |
| 18:52.27 | ircleuser | CutMeOwnTh: Hmm ok let me define : fail :P |
| 18:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ircleuser -about apt-file |
| 18:52.31 | phorce1 | jelly: oh, cool, inside grub? |
| 18:52.48 | Esine | wow did you guys hear of this? Microsoft submits code to the Linux kernel http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/1643251/Microsoft-Releases-Linux-Device-Drivers-As-GPL |
| 18:52.49 | ircleuser | E: Couldn't find package xauth |
| 18:52.51 | jelly | phorce1: inside grub's config file, right |
| 18:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ircleuser, you might pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file - did you run "aptitude update" before installing? |
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| 18:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Esine, "trojan horse"... |
| 18:53.18 | ircleuser | I tought aptitude was in ubuntu only :P |
| 18:53.18 | chops1 | ircleuser: xauth is in cbase-clients |
| 18:53.28 | chops1 | ircleuser: Er, xbase-clients that is |
| 18:53.39 | Akufen | Esine: for a zune? ;) |
| 18:53.49 | phorce1 | is currently cleaning up/altering fstab and grub files on the newly copied / and /boot mounts almost time to try to get grub to find the new boot drive |
| 18:53.49 | ircleuser | ahhh thx that what i needed thx a lot all |
| 18:53.52 | ircleuser | :D |
| 18:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops1, uh? not for me - for me it's in "xauth" |
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| 18:53.58 | jelly | Esine: of course they would, means more people to run their hypervisor |
| 18:54.05 | Esine | Akufen: close, hyper-v components |
| 18:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops1, and judd also shows xauth in lenny/squeeze/sid |
| 18:54.09 | Esine | yes |
| 18:54.13 | chops1 | CutMeOwnThroat: Er, sorry -- that was in etch, my mistake. Now it is a separate package. |
| 18:54.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 18:54.49 | chops1 | ircleuser: What I told you was wrong. Did you try aptitude update? If it still doesn't work, can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 18:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 18:55.04 | jelly | Esine: we're moving our hyperv installs to vsphere as soon as the hardware beneath it arrives |
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| 18:55.31 | Esine | I run a few ESXis and I've used vmware's products on the desktop.. they really know their stuff |
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| 18:56.05 | ircleuser | hmmmm the overwrited my debian source list with the provider url :( |
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| 18:56.26 | ircleuser | deb ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ etch main |
| 18:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch! |
| 18:56.49 | Bradlays | define: debian |
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| 18:57.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch |
| 18:57.03 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 18:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | even |
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| 18:57.13 | phorce1 | any way to label a swap partition for use in fstab? |
| 18:57.26 | chops1 | ircleuser: There's your problem, it sounds like. Why was your sources.list overwritten again? |
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| 18:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ircleuser, what does cat /etc/debian_version return? |
| 18:57.51 | rozie | phorce1: uuid is not enough? |
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| 18:57.56 | ircleuser | Its a "out of the box" config from a VPS provider running vmware |
| 18:58.12 | ircleuser | I'm trying to run vmware console on my mac os x laptop |
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| 18:58.51 | ircleuser | 4.0 |
| 18:59.14 | craigevil | phorce1: just like any other partition> /dev/sda4, LABEL=Swap UUID=2ec72325-3781-4f50-afd3-d244e7d4c5fenoneswap sw00 < thats what mine has |
| 18:59.20 | chops1 | ircleuser: Okay, so you have an etch installation. Install xbase-clients to get xauth, and consider upgrading to lenny in the near future. |
| 18:59.38 | phorce1 | rozie: Now that I'm actually starting to use labels mnemonics seems better |
| 18:59.38 | bzed | the_lalelu: OMG. shockshock! |
| 19:00.10 | ircleuser | chops1: Argg well my plan was to run ubuntu conf on a vmware vmachine :S not sure I can upgrade the core debian running all this mess |
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| 19:00.27 | chops1 | ircleuser: I do not understand your last statement. |
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| 19:01.39 | simonrvn | "core debian"? ubuntu != debian, so i failt to see how one is the the core of the other. |
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| 19:01.43 | phorce1 | craigevil: no, I'm creating partition labels on the filesystems with e2label then fstab just has "LABEL=boot /boot defaults 0 0" Nice short lines and no mention of /dev/sdx so when drives get moved around the cable they get plugged into doesn't matter |
| 19:02.07 | ircleuser | chops1: I purchaced a server which was loaded with debian 4.0 and vmware installed on it, not sure if I can upgrade the whole shitniz |
| 19:02.37 | chops1 | ircleuser: An upgrade is a separate issue. What you have is etch. If you want xauth, install xbase-clients. If you want to upgrade, upgrade. |
| 19:02.51 | joe-mac | anybody using the processincoming functionality of reprepro? the incoming file in the Name wants what exactly? |
| 19:02.58 | ircleuser | debian + vmware = core , then I will install a ubuntu image to be less deficiant on my sys admin skillz :) |
| 19:03.09 | ircleuser | copy that |
| 19:03.23 | phorce1 | I guess I'll use uuid for the swap partition, it makes the fstab line long and ugly |
| 19:04.09 | nooper | i hate long and ugly fstab lines |
| 19:04.17 | ircleuser | xbase-clients is now installed thank you for your help :) |
| 19:04.26 | chops1 | ircleuser: I didn't undertsand your last statement either. Best of luck in any case. |
| 19:04.29 | jelly | phorce1: you can mkswap with a label, too |
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| 19:04.45 | ircleuser | it's ok my english suck ;) |
| 19:05.07 | ircleuser | copy that was to say : roger that : ok : i understand : i agree :) |
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| 19:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops1, it's not you - I didn't understand it either |
| 19:05.24 | jelly | ircleuser: copy that |
| 19:05.50 | jelly | also, *nod* |
| 19:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't it called jitter for jelly? :) |
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| 19:06.43 | ircleuser | copy that == a expression in english no?! |
| 19:06.50 | phorce1 | jelly: hmmh, didn't see that when googling -- going to man page |
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| 19:08.33 | phorce1 | jelly: thx --- I was looking for a tool to add a label after it had been created |
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| 19:08.40 | DynVdebian | I got this new external drive, it seems to work better than the one I returned as Vista has no problem with it and I got and error message less on Debian hoewver I still can't write on the drive but can read it. Here's the dmesg http://pastebin.com/d7083d7f0 I don,t know what to make a search about to fix this, knowing what to look for would be a good start. Thanks |
| 19:08.44 | ircleuser | anyway must go eat thx a lot again, cheers |
| 19:09.01 | DynVdebian | onjoin: <NuLLSoft> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:09.03 | jelly | phorce1: nah, it's swapoff, mkswap -L, swapon |
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| 19:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell DynVdebian -about ntfs-3g |
| 19:09.45 | jelly | DynVdebian: what's worse, the site doesn't have pron videos at all! (Not that I checked) |
| 19:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynVdebian, ^^^ |
| 19:10.08 | Esine | oh jelly.. |
| 19:10.10 | jelly | !ops NuLLSoft onjoin spam |
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| 19:10.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: NuLLSoft onjoin spam |
| 19:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynVdebian, also, don't repeat the spam... that just spreads it more |
| 19:10.34 | DynVdebian | jelly: hehehe I don't tkae hte chance to look these viral ridden sites :) |
| 19:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is kinda counter-productive |
| 19:10.37 | fxiny | lightning fast ! |
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| 19:10.58 | DynVdebian | CutMeOwnThroat: how should I proceed then ? |
| 19:11.02 | jelly | DynVdebian: (note the !ops command for future reference ;-) |
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| 19:11.11 | DynVdebian | jelly: ty :) |
| 19:11.20 | DynVdebian | CutMeOwnThroat: answere by jelly |
| 19:11.26 | fxiny | Esine: still around ? |
| 19:11.31 | Esine | yes fxiny |
| 19:11.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | DynVdebian, see dpkgs private message to you for your question |
| 19:11.56 | DynVdebian | CutMeOwnThroat: yes ty kindy :) |
| 19:11.57 | fxiny | Esine: are you in this network #xmoand or oftc #xmonad ? |
| 19:12.05 | Esine | neither :x |
| 19:12.11 | Esine | I'll join freenode xmonad |
| 19:12.31 | fxiny | Esine: i'm on oftc |
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| 19:12.36 | Esine | oh ok |
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| 19:15.46 | abrotman | DynVdebian: please don't repeat the URLs .. you're just helping them |
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| 19:15.55 | abrotman | DynVdebian: but thanks for reporting the issue :) |
| 19:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
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| 19:16.45 | abrotman | but you're german? |
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| 19:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what I say doesn't count? |
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| 19:22.31 | DynVdebian | I forgot what was the program and shortcut for the console that looks like Windows Start >Â Run can you help ? |
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| 19:22.35 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: join the club |
| 19:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sniff* |
| 19:22.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:22.55 | DynVdebian | I have some history in the "run" that helps |
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| 19:23.58 | amd64guy | hi |
| 19:24.11 | amd64guy | I encountered an error when trying to install Debian AMD64 testing (then later on tried unstable) and when building 2.6.26-2-amd64 or 2.6.30-1-amd64, the initial ramfs won't build. When trying to build with yaird, in the tty4 console, it says, invalid option -- '-t' and when trying to build with initramfs-tools in returns some error code number. It ends with a 1 though. Might even be just the number "1." Anyway, I'd like to install de |
| 19:24.44 | simonrvn | DynVdebian: 'in the "run"'? |
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| 19:25.22 | DynVdebian | simonrvn: do you know what Windows Start >Â Run look like ? |
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| 19:25.48 | amd64guy | its called a terminal, console, or command line in linux |
| 19:25.59 | abrotman | DynVdebian: this is for the console or your GUI? |
| 19:26.01 | simonrvn | yes, and why is that relevant? |
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| 19:26.19 | DynVdebian | abrotman: in GUI, gnome actually |
| 19:26.25 | amd64guy | simonrvn: who was that last comment directed to? |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | DynVdebian: there is gnome-do, the uh .. deskbar applet .. and sometihng else .. deskbar applet is probably what you want |
| 19:26.51 | DynVdebian | simonrvn: I forgot how to access debian look-alike |
| 19:27.30 | simonrvn | gnome-run, grun, xfce's - i bound grun to alt-f2 in openbox |
| 19:27.41 | abrotman | DynVdebian: oyu add the deskbar applet to your panel .. or hit alt-f3 (i think) and it will pop up a little box asking you to type some stuff in like "pidgin" |
| 19:28.38 | DynVdebian | abrotman: ah that reminded me ! it's alt-f2, the run application |
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| 19:29.22 | ajavid | mysql-workbench is only in experimental and is not working at all for me. is there another tool that can generate ER diagrams from a mysql database dump? |
| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | and i thought i was being original... ick |
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| 19:30.02 | ranix | I bound super r to run program |
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| 19:30.28 | remur_030 | hoi, how can I change which debian kernel is to boot? |
| 19:30.38 | remur_030 | is there a dpkg-reconfigure for that? |
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| 19:30.45 | magnuX | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 19:30.45 | greycat | you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (be careful; follow the comments) |
| 19:30.57 | hark | DynVdebian: that's part of the panel |
| 19:31.14 | fxiny | what's wrong with dmenu ? |
| 19:31.25 | remur_030 | magnuX, greycat: nah, I just want to modify the symlinks in /boot which point to vmlinuz and initrd |
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| 19:31.56 | magnuX | remur_030, u can do that in there too |
| 19:32.00 | greycat | remur_030: then you would have to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file to use such symlinks |
| 19:32.16 | remur_030 | i know I can do it per hand, but it'd be nice to do with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:32.36 | remur_030 | greycat: there is no grub on the machine, the bootloader always takes /boot/vmlinuz and initrd |
| 19:32.44 | greycat | is it lilo? |
| 19:32.52 | remur_030 | greycat: no, u-boot |
| 19:32.53 | hark | fxiny: you can't pass arguments to commands using it? |
| 19:33.02 | greycat | remur_030: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:33.38 | hark | DynVdebian: use something like gmrun for that |
| 19:33.56 | ale___ | hallo everybody |
| 19:33.59 | DynVdebian | hark: it's ok alt-f2 works ;) |
| 19:34.11 | ale___ | could someone please help me installing a webcam? |
| 19:34.20 | fxiny | hark: right , but i can use -> , ((modMask x .|. shiftMask, xK_x), shellPrompt xpc ) |
| 19:34.40 | remur_030 | greycat: squeeze/sid |
| 19:34.41 | hark | DynVdebian: also openbox has a "gnome-panel-control --run-dialog" command which shows the dialog |
| 19:34.41 | fxiny | or sshPrompt |
| 19:35.53 | fxiny | and the amazing gotoMenu/bringMenu |
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| 19:36.10 | abrotman | DynVdebian: glad to help |
| 19:36.10 | ale___ | anybody? |
| 19:36.19 | abrotman | ale___: we need more details |
| 19:36.20 | TTimo | Hello. I need the 32 bit version of zlib on my sid amd64 install. I read the ia32-apt-get docs and it's not making much sense. apt-get install ia32-zlib1g or ia32-apt-get install ia32-zlib1g both say package doesn't exist. Any hints? |
| 19:36.23 | ale___ | abrotman: |
| 19:36.26 | greycat | remur_030: well, I've never heard of this boot loader. But if it uses /boot/vmlinuz which is a symlink, then go ahead and adjust those symlinks as needed. |
| 19:36.31 | abrotman | not me .. i know nothing about webcams |
| 19:37.05 | ale___ | abrotman: sure.. I just plugged it in, and noticed it needs the driver SN9C10[12] |
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| 19:37.14 | ale___ | I don't know how to proceed now :( |
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| 19:37.34 | remur_030 | greycat: well it's for embedded systems, I know I can just cahnge the symlink =) I was hoping there might be a general linux-kernel package where dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel sets these symlinks =) |
| 19:37.54 | greycat | No, because the normal Debian systems don't even use those symlinks at all. |
| 19:38.42 | ale___ | hallo? |
| 19:39.14 | bpun | i just want to verify a pxe-net boot- so basically i use the netinst.iso image? |
| 19:39.39 | remur_030 | greycat: oh you are right, just checked the university systems. well ok, bad luck then =) |
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| 19:40.02 | DynVdebian | How do I install http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/libfuse2 ? I use aptitude and it doesn't seem to offer a version higher than 2.5 neither offer to access a backport. |
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| 19:40.43 | Titan8990 | DynVdebian, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 19:41.03 | Titan8990 | DynVdebian, look at the section 2.1 |
| 19:41.12 | jelly | !tell DynVdebian -about bpo |
| 19:41.31 | jelly | DynVdebian: replace lenny-backports with etch-backports, if that's what you're after |
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| 19:41.36 | ale___ | could someone please help me installing a webcam? |
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| 19:42.24 | Bezerk | Hi all |
| 19:42.35 | jelly | DynVdebian: that is, use the backports.org repository appropriate for your installed debian release |
| 19:42.38 | DynVdebian | jelly Titan8990: ty :) |
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| 19:43.19 | ajavid | I'm looking for any tool in debian if there is one that can generate entity relationship diagrams of mysql databases |
| 19:43.24 | ajavid | anyone know anything? |
| 19:43.49 | unop | mysql-workbench |
| 19:43.56 | ajavid | I'm on stable |
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| 19:44.17 | unop | I believe it's only available off of mysql's repository |
| 19:44.17 | fxiny | ajavid: frank&stable :P |
| 19:44.29 | ajavid | is in experimental |
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| 19:44.34 | ajavid | judd versions mysql-workbench |
| 19:44.35 | judd | ajavid: mysql-workbench -- |
| 19:44.46 | ajavid | amazing. |
| 19:44.52 | ajavid | I know i haven't smoked anything in along time |
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| 19:45.13 | debianLiveNoob | is there a linux noob channel nearby? |
| 19:45.26 | Bezerk | I just installed Debian 5 and when I type sudo passwd root the system doesnt accept the passwork that I write at the instalation |
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| 19:45.48 | Bezerk | * wrote |
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| 19:46.23 | phorce1 | has anyone here actually used the "super grub" CD when moving / and /boot to a new hard drive? I'm at the stage that all files have been moved to the new drive and /etc/fstab on the new drive has been updated. Just need to change the boot order in bios and get grub to use the new drive |
| 19:46.33 | Bezerk | What can I do to fix that? |
| 19:46.41 | jelly | Bezerk: does "su -" with root's password, work? |
| 19:47.33 | ajavid | http://people.debian.org/~nobse/mysql-workbench/5.1.16-1/ |
| 19:47.41 | ajavid | I knew i saw it there somewhere on debian |
| 19:47.50 | ajavid | I wasn't really going nuts. |
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| 19:48.59 | hark | DynVdebian: oh, i thought you meant run it outside gnome :) |
| 19:50.04 | Bezerk | I'll try that jelly |
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| 19:51.10 | jelly | Bezerk: I don't know much about current installers, but sudo didn't come configured out of the box with base install before. |
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| 19:51.39 | jelly | and I'm 80% sure it doesn't come with a base lenny system either |
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| 19:52.13 | steven_ | anyone reccomend a good CVS GUI other than tkcvs which seems to not like my window manager and i don't like it :) |
| 19:52.15 | abrotman | maybe if you use tasksel and choose standard ? but i don't have it here |
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| 19:52.53 | abrotman | gcvs ? |
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| 19:53.00 | nkuttler | Bezerk: you're giving sudo the user's password, right? not the root pw. |
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| 19:53.56 | hark | jelly: why su - and not just su? |
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| 19:54.20 | rattjs | Hi, I've just gotten the win32 installer from http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ -- and after installation, when I boot up and choose "Debian installer", I get this: kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,0) |
| 19:54.21 | jelly | hark: I like having a clean slate |
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| 19:55.15 | hark | Bezerk: if you have a root password, then sudo is not configured |
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| 19:55.28 | rattjs | any tips on what I should do now? |
| 19:55.57 | Bezerk | i have a root pw |
| 19:55.58 | debianLiveNoob | here's a noob question for you, does sudo still require PW if none is set |
| 19:55.58 | ranix | rattjs: burn a Lenny install disk and boot from it |
| 19:56.18 | Bezerk | but dont work |
| 19:56.18 | Titan8990 | rattjs, reformat and do it the right way |
| 19:56.49 | Bezerk | It shows a message |
| 19:56.58 | DynVdebian | jelly: AH ! I already had the sources.list, I needed this: aptitude -t etch-backports install "libfuse2" |
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| 19:57.23 | rattjs | ranix and Titan8990: I don't have a CD drive, that's why I preferred to do it with this loader. is there still any option for me? |
| 19:57.24 | Bezerk | We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator...... |
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| 19:57.40 | jelly | DynVdebian: I won't inquire on why you needed libfuse2 only. |
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| 19:58.01 | Titan8990 | rattjs, yes, a usb drive or PXE install if your feeling risky |
| 19:58.09 | DynVdebian | jelly: a requirement for ntfs-3g |
| 19:58.13 | jelly | Bezerk: and then you enter your own password, _not root's_ |
| 19:58.13 | Titan8990 | rattjs, although it doesn't get riskier than what you have already tried |
| 19:58.22 | DynVdebian | jelly: I didn't tell you |
| 19:58.39 | jelly | DynVdebian: in Debian, there's seldom need to install dependencies manually |
| 19:58.46 | Titan8990 | rattjs, or you could just spend $20 and buy a cd drive, i would personally spend $5-10 and get a usb |
| 19:58.52 | jelly | judd: versions ntfs-3g |
| 19:58.53 | judd | jelly: ntfs-3g -- etch-backports: 1:1.2531-1.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1 sid: 1:2009.4.4-1 squeeze: 1:2009.4.4-1 |
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| 19:59.20 | rattjs | Titan8990: oh, I've got a USB drive.. so that's still an option. burn an iso image on a usb disc, you mean, right? |
| 19:59.24 | Bezerk | i put the same password for root and the user |
| 19:59.30 | rattjs | s/disc/stick/ |
| 19:59.36 | Bezerk | its in a virtual machine |
| 19:59.37 | DynVdebian | jelly: so I should've run ? aptitude -t etch-backports install *"ntfs-3g"* ? |
| 19:59.41 | jelly | DynVdebian: as you can see, there's the same version of ntfs-3g in etch bpo as there is in lenny |
| 19:59.41 | patrikf | rattjs: that won't work exactly like you described |
| 20:00.11 | rattjs | patrikf: beg your pardon? what exactly are you referring to? |
| 20:00.14 | jelly | DynVdebian: right, and get the correct dependency automatically |
| 20:00.24 | patrikf | rattjs: "burn an iso to a usb stick" |
| 20:00.28 | DynVdebian | jelly: great ty :) |
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| 20:00.54 | jelly | DynVdebian: you can now undo a small mistake by doing "aptitude markauto libfuse2" |
| 20:01.14 | rattjs | patrikf: oh.. hrm, I was hoping it would have been that simple. I put gparted on a usb disc in a similar manner though |
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| 20:01.15 | DynVdebian | jelly: now that it's installed, do I just replug my drive or do I need to reboot ? |
| 20:01.26 | jelly | DynVdebian: neither |
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| 20:01.32 | rattjs | Anyway, I'll start reading the docs then.. on how I go about getting it with the usb stick |
| 20:01.54 | DynVdebian | jelly: so I use it as it's fixed ? |
| 20:02.15 | jelly | DynVdebian: if your user is member of fuse group, you should be able to mount a ntfs filesystem with ntfs-3g program |
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| 20:03.23 | jelly | DynVdebian: pretty much. I don't know how the automounting under Gnome works, if you expected your stick to be automatically mounted using ntfs-3g when it was plugged |
| 20:03.23 | DynVdebian | jelly: The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 20:03.23 | DynVdebian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.23 | DynVdebian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.46 | DynVdebian | jelly: for markauto |
| 20:03.53 | jelly | DynVdebian: right, because you didn't install ntfs-3g yet |
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| 20:04.28 | DynVdebian | jelly: it's supposed to have been don through aptitude ... |
| 20:04.35 | DynVdebian | done* |
| 20:05.39 | debLiveKnoob | this is going to sound ridiculous: why can't I cd desktop in /home/user |
| 20:05.51 | greycat | cd Desktop |
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| 20:05.54 | greycat | it's case sensitive |
| 20:06.00 | debLiveKnoob | whips himself |
| 20:06.21 | jelly | debLiveKnoob: that's Unix for you. |
| 20:06.39 | debLiveKnoob | well it's not like I do command line every day :D |
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| 20:06.52 | debLiveKnoob | been about 2 years since I did anything useful with it I think |
| 20:06.52 | remur_030 | UN disapproves of ~/Desktop folders anyway ;-) |
| 20:07.06 | debLiveKnoob | UN? |
| 20:07.10 | remur_030 | united nations |
| 20:07.15 | debLiveKnoob | The United Nixes |
| 20:07.19 | jelly | remur_030: no statement has been issued yet |
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| 20:07.45 | magnuX | remur_030, what is that all about? |
| 20:07.47 | remur_030 | jelly: just wait for it, everybody knows files on desktop have to be banned, UN is just waiting for a good time |
| 20:08.15 | jelly | remur_030: that's why I keep a couple thousand files directly in ~ instead |
| 20:08.18 | remur_030 | *are waiting |
| 20:08.20 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:08.27 | remur_030 | that's the spirit =) |
| 20:09.05 | debLiveKnoob | well since desktop is a GUI element there has to be a directory for it |
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| 20:09.52 | remur_030 | can't find his calculator directory |
| 20:09.57 | SPF | what does GT/s mean? i7 920 description |
| 20:10.07 | remur_030 | gran tourino |
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| 20:12.43 | DynVdebian | jelly: ok I check throguh aptitide and ntfs-3g is installed however I still can't write on it, it tells me permission denied, I'll reboot just to be on the safe side, brb 2-3 mins |
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| 20:14.13 | abrotman | SPF: maybe ask ##hardware ? |
| 20:14.14 | taras | hmmmm my text consoles stopped working in lenny |
| 20:14.18 | adama_ | I have an external drive which went onto /dev/sdc and I need it to be /dev/sdb. how can I do this from the ssh command line (no physical access) |
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| 20:14.33 | abrotman | taras: again? |
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| 20:14.56 | debLiveKnoob | hm, I really think ipw2200.sf.net should be made into a debian package :( |
| 20:15.01 | abrotman | it is |
| 20:15.09 | patrikf | adama_: *why* do you need it to be /dev/sdb? |
| 20:15.14 | taras | abrotman: I swap to text console and see just black screen |
| 20:15.21 | abrotman | taras: nvidia binary drivers? |
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| 20:15.23 | adama_ | as part of a script |
| 20:15.23 | debLiveKnoob | hm, then I'll have to try finding it with kpackage again |
| 20:15.31 | taras | abrotman: intel video |
| 20:15.39 | debLiveKnoob | as opposed to a package for debian I mean abrotman |
| 20:15.40 | patrikf | adama_: use /dev/disk/by-* instead? |
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| 20:15.50 | abrotman | debLiveKnoob: you're disagreeing with yourself |
| 20:16.00 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 20:16.00 | judd | abrotman: firmware-ipw2x00 -- sid/non-free: 0.14 lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny1 lenny-backports/non-free: 0.17~bpo50+1 sid/non-free: 0.17 squeeze/non-free: 0.17 |
| 20:16.27 | debLiveKnoob | you mean being synonymous |
| 20:16.31 | adama_ | patrikf: the script works with "whatever drive is plugged into USB" which can vary a lot, but I would like it to always be /dev/sdb |
| 20:16.42 | debLiveKnoob | a package in the debian project, not a package for debian I meant |
| 20:16.47 | rattjs | ohhh my goodness, I absolutely need a system already running Linux in order to install Debian via a USB disc? |
| 20:16.58 | debLiveKnoob | I had two distinct minings implied really |
| 20:17.02 | jelly | debLiveKnoob: it cannot be in Debian. Is non-free not good enough? |
| 20:17.04 | patrikf | rattjs, we told you CD was easier. ;-) |
| 20:17.08 | debLiveKnoob | meanings. Damn I can't type at all todat |
| 20:17.19 | rattjs | patrikf: fair enough. brb, going to wal-mart. |
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| 20:17.33 | taras | abrotman: with what this can be caused? I recently upgraded to 2.6.30.1 from backports; console is shown while boot, but after X starts it becomes black and no text on reboot too |
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| 20:18.49 | debLiveKnoob | alright then, debian project needs a non free repository of packages maintained by other developers |
| 20:19.09 | debLiveKnoob | well, but then being too much like ubuntu isn't popular |
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| 20:19.14 | abrotman | debLiveKnoob: there is a non-free repo already |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | debLiveKnoob: and that package is already in debian |
| 20:19.30 | debLiveKnoob | then I just can't use kpackage right |
| 20:19.36 | magnuX | debLiveKnoob, ubuntu repositories are just hell |
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| 20:19.39 | abrotman | or you don't have the non-free repos installed |
| 20:19.44 | abrotman | erm .. repos setup |
| 20:20.05 | debLiveKnoob | hm, got a sec to tell me how I'd set that? :D |
| 20:20.06 | adama_ | any Idea how to switch this external drive from sdc to sdb? |
| 20:20.22 | azeem | 22:12 < patrikf> adama_: use /dev/disk/by-* instead? |
| 20:20.27 | tpocra | I'm noticing the 2.6.30 image in unstable moves some non-free firmware out into non-free |
| 20:20.35 | tpocra | this is awesome, but how much of this work is completed? |
| 20:20.36 | magnuX | debLiveKnoob, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:20.42 | abrotman | !tell debLiveKnoob about non-free |
| 20:20.45 | tpocra | Where can I read about this? |
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| 20:20.48 | azeem | adama_: or maybe you can mess around with udev |
| 20:20.53 | ranix | YES |
| 20:20.59 | ranix | Mes with udev! |
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| 20:22.06 | ranix | taras: after X goes nuts, try hitting alt->control->f1-f6 |
| 20:22.09 | adama_ | azeem: won't that change when I use a different USB drive? |
| 20:22.27 | taras | ranix: yeah, but I get only black screen |
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| 20:22.42 | ranix | taras: no virtual consoles? |
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| 20:23.07 | taras | ranix: there are. worked in 2.6.26 |
| 20:23.17 | ranix | taras: X is probably just borked |
| 20:23.19 | stepcut | what does it mean when the version number of a binary deb has +b3 at the end, but the version number in the debian/control does not? I am having a hard time googling this... |
| 20:23.20 | ranix | taras: fix it |
| 20:23.29 | debLiveKnoob | ah, to open a file in a console it ws <program><file> right? |
| 20:23.51 | taras | hmm will test with old kernel |
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| 20:28.31 | debLiveKnoob | can't do edit for sources.list |
| 20:28.49 | adb | sudo -i |
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| 20:29.16 | debLiveKnoob | that's a separate command before entering edit? |
| 20:29.32 | adb | sure |
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| 20:29.35 | greycat | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:29.42 | greycat | or whatever editor you prefer |
| 20:30.00 | rudi_s | greycat: sudoedit would be more secure. |
| 20:30.20 | debLiveKnoob | konsole autocomplete amnesia is not fun |
| 20:30.30 | adb | rudi_s: he's on a live system |
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| 20:30.43 | greycat | I haven't got anything called "sudoedit", nor have I ever heard of such a thing. |
| 20:31.06 | magnuX | xD |
| 20:31.09 | rudi_s | greycat: sudo -e then, prevents running the editor as root. |
| 20:31.15 | debLiveKnoob | you're right about nano greycat |
| 20:31.31 | debLiveKnoob | dpkg can't be taken as literally as I did haha |
| 20:31.31 | dpkg | no idea, debLiveKnoob |
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| 20:31.38 | debLiveKnoob | oops |
| 20:31.42 | rudi_s | adb: Sorry, I don't understand. |
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| 20:31.52 | |stevenv| | ciao a tutti |
| 20:32.02 | adb | rudi_s: nvm |
| 20:32.22 | |stevenv| | !list |
| 20:32.23 | dpkg | |stevenv|: VATTENE VIA |
| 20:32.28 | adb | haha |
| 20:32.40 | amphi | heh |
| 20:32.54 | |stevenv| | perchè |
| 20:33.03 | greycat | rudi_s: bah, looks like way too much work. |
| 20:33.17 | debLiveKnoob | right, I'm confused now, dpkg told me about editing two lines but not which ones |
| 20:33.19 | amphi | !it |
| 20:33.19 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:34.01 | rudi_s | greycat: Yeah, it's a bit of a hassle but I don't like the idea of running Vim or Emacs as root (even if I do it sometimes ..). |
| 20:34.02 | debLiveKnoob | because there's four lines |
| 20:34.55 | adb | debLiveKnoob: use you head maybe |
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| 20:35.18 | debLiveKnoob | I'm not good at guessing. I'll assume not editing the lines with update in it won't break things |
| 20:35.22 | debLiveKnoob | infact I dread guessing |
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| 20:36.23 | greycat | what is debLiveKnoob trying to do? add non-free and contrib? |
| 20:36.54 | adb | yes, on a live system greycat |
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| 20:37.24 | greycat | "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and change "main" to "main contrib non-free" on every line that has "main" at the end. |
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| 20:37.50 | debLiveKnoob | now I need to know another bit of noob info. how do I exit nano |
| 20:38.04 | stew | debLiveKnoob: ctrl-x |
| 20:38.28 | greycat | The notation ^LETTER in general means "Ctrl-LETTER" |
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| 20:38.35 | greycat | ^X = Ctrl-X |
| 20:39.00 | debLiveKnoob | I'll remember that |
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| 20:39.31 | debLiveKnoob | only that I'm still looking at nano after saying yes to the save changes prompt |
| 20:39.36 | greycat | several hundred unix/linux programs assume you know that.... |
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| 20:40.25 | debLiveKnoob | well that's the first program that i've opperated within a console, not just launching gui programs |
| 20:40.27 | greycat | if it says "file name to write to: /etc/apt/sources.list" then hit enter again |
| 20:40.53 | phorce1 | well, I'm booting from the new drive but something is screwed up. My gnome login isn't working. I get a background screen but no window manager |
| 20:40.55 | debLiveKnoob | oh no I'm just looking at nano again |
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| 20:41.27 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.39 | debLiveKnoob | oh yeah I missed that part, sorry greycat |
| 20:42.08 | greycat | phorce1: chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 20:42.19 | phorce1 | greycat: a;ready fixed that |
| 20:42.39 | greycat | 'k, just making sure you know it's supposed to be 1777 and not 777. |
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| 20:44.46 | debLiveKnoob | hm, using touchpad is rather dangerous |
| 20:44.53 | ale_ | hallo. I have a webcam and I couldn't install it because of its driver.. Do you know if it is possible to update the kernel to version 2.6.27? |
| 20:44.54 | DynVdebian | jelly: sorry, I got interrupter during the reboot. I double-checked through aptitude and ntfs-3g is installed and I still can't write to the external drive. This is the dmesg right after I booted http://pastebin.com/d1c4b6596 it seems the drive info is intertwined with other info which I don't know how to sort but would be more thna happy to pipe through some command |
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| 20:45.12 | DynVdebian | s/interrupter/interrupted |
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| 20:46.09 | ale_ | hallo? |
| 20:46.30 | ale_ | hallo. I have a webcam and I couldn't install it because of its driver.. Do you know if it is possible to update the kernel to version 2.6.27? |
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| 20:46.55 | abrotman | ale_: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:47.00 | abrotman | follow the instructions there |
| 20:47.00 | phorce1 | echh, customers while i'm trying to get this working -- bbiab |
| 20:47.46 | ale_ | thanks |
| 20:48.02 | debLiveKnoob | nah, the package I'm lacking doens't seem to show up in kpackage, guess I'll go back reading to the project page. As incoherent as it is |
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| 20:48.50 | debLiveKnoob | tho aptitude did give me a handful of can't correct errors before some completion message |
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| 20:51.55 | debLiveKnoob | dpkg paste |
| 20:51.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 20:52.09 | ale_ | abrotman: I've got a problem.. I do not have the public key for the repository of the backports.. |
| 20:52.28 | ale_ | NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 20:53.26 | debLiveKnoob | is that a problem? http://paste.debian.net/42254/ |
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| 20:54.05 | abrotman | ale_: i told you to read the instructions |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | debLiveKnoob: yeah, you did it wrong |
| 20:54.36 | ale_ | abrotman: I'm following the instruciont |
| 20:55.01 | abrotman | ale_: did you read the part about the apt-key ? |
| 20:55.06 | abrotman | erm .. gpg |
| 20:55.12 | ale_ | 2. Run apt-get update ...but it doesnt update |
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| 20:55.23 | abrotman | keep reading .. further down the page |
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| 20:56.40 | ale_ | now why one should write instructions in a scrambled order? |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | they're different questions .. different answers |
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| 20:58.32 | debLiveKnoob | damn, abrotman left. |
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| 20:58.58 | debLiveKnoob | http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 isn't clear about what to add contrib non-free to either |
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| 20:59.59 | pappanz | debLiveKnoob, ? |
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| 21:01.10 | jemark | does someone use Rhythmbox Music Player 0.12.3 |
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| 21:01.24 | jemark | mms doesn't work with me |
| 21:02.00 | ale_ | hallo I'd like to install a new kernel via backports.. could anyone tell me how to do that? |
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| 21:02.16 | valdyn | debLiveKnoob: not clear? |
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| 21:02.36 | valdyn | debLiveKnoob: "to /etc/apt/sources.list" is "not clear" ? |
| 21:02.56 | debLiveKnoob | instructions on which lines in there to put contrib non-free to |
| 21:03.06 | valdyn | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 21:04.12 | ale_ | will it be enough if I run apt-get install ... linux-sistem-2.6.28... ? |
| 21:04.23 | adb | ale_: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 21:04.50 | adb | assume is 32 bit |
| 21:04.54 | ale_ | yes |
| 21:05.10 | ale_ | will that be enough? |
| 21:05.15 | adb | yes |
| 21:05.33 | ale_ | thanks |
| 21:05.46 | phorce1 | crap, I didn't run screen before starting irssi -- brb |
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| 21:06.07 | debLiveKnoob | what about the deb-src line valdyn ? |
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| 21:06.09 | phorce1 | sure wish irssi had detachable session capabilities |
| 21:06.51 | amphi | phorce1: run it in screen? or is that not what you mean? |
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| 21:07.36 | ewet | hi, what is happening with iceweasel 3.5? -- please make it happen... |
| 21:08.25 | CcSsNET | why would u want 3.5 |
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| 21:08.35 | CcSsNET | it has a hugh security whole atm |
| 21:08.48 | craigevil | 3.5.1 fixed that hole |
| 21:08.50 | \amethyst | ewet: it's in experimental, so it's just a matter of time |
| 21:08.56 | CcSsNET | o wow that was quick |
| 21:08.59 | CcSsNET | when yesterday? |
| 21:09.02 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 21:09.16 | craigevil | but only amd64 bit version of 3.5.1 is in exp no 32bit so far |
| 21:09.44 | \amethyst | craigevil: you could grab the source from experimental and build it yourself :) |
| 21:09.52 | hark | i386 is there as well |
| 21:09.59 | craigevil | hehe i will just wait |
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| 21:10.16 | \amethyst | hark: only 3.5 for i386, not 3.5.1 |
| 21:10.17 | craigevil | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/ hark not 3.5.1-1 |
| 21:10.18 | hark | sorry |
| 21:10.43 | hark | mistook the -1 for .1 |
| 21:11.29 | ewet | oh well... |
| 21:12.10 | phorce1 | for general info gnome session files in ~/gnome-2/session save absolute paths even when symlinks are used on the base filesystem. I had /home symlinked to /drive2/home and my session file had "current directory = /drive2/home/user" all over it and caused my gnome session to crap out when I finally created a /home mountpoint and remounted the drive |
| 21:12.23 | craigevil | ewet: How to install Iceweasel 3.5 on Lenny - http://glandium.org/blog/?p=406 |
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| 21:13.12 | \amethyst | phorce1: ugh... because of things like that (I've had problems with CVS too), I tend to use bind mounts rather than symlinks for that kind of thing |
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| 21:14.30 | debLiveKnoob | Yeah I still get the error with aptitude update |
| 21:14.35 | ewet | craigevil: thanks, i'll just wait... debian is supporting way too many platforms though |
| 21:14.45 | \amethyst | phorce1: your $HOME was /home and not /drive2/home ? |
| 21:15.27 | petemc | ewet: why do you say that? |
| 21:15.57 | \amethyst | phorce1: if so, it might be worth checking the gnome bugzilla and filing a bug about the issue |
| 21:16.12 | \amethyst | phorce1: if no one else has yet |
| 21:16.14 | craigevil | ewet: you can always just use Firefox then you get updates when Mozilla updates> Adding REAL Firefox to Debian Lenny - http://www.deviceguru.com/adding-real-firefox-to-debian-lenny/ |
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| 21:17.02 | \amethyst | phorce1: but depending on the implementation it might not be feasible to fix... I haven't looked at the relevant bits |
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| 21:17.17 | debLiveKnoob | Damn I'm not understanding what's going on at all |
| 21:19.17 | hark | debLiveKnoob: what's server1? /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 21:19.25 | pappanz__ | debLiveKnoob, if you don't understand sources.list/apt-get/aptitude you should take a look to the APT-HOWTO http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
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| 21:22.04 | debLiveKnoob | kpackage actually gives me the souces.list fields to edit too |
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| 21:24.02 | debLiveKnoob | I'm guessing it just can't find the relevant package. the wiki could also use instructions for take this put there do this |
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| 21:25.12 | ShorTie | hi guys |
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| 21:26.01 | ShorTie | trying to redo xine and make a new libxine1 |
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| 21:26.48 | ShorTie | but when i run checkinstall to make the deb's i get |
| 21:26.53 | ShorTie | Unpacking replacement libxine1 ... |
| 21:26.54 | ShorTie | dpkg: error processing /usr/local/src/xine-lib/libxine1_1.1.vdpau20090720-0ubuntu2-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 21:26.55 | dpkg | shortie: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:26.55 | ShorTie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:27.28 | adb | ubuntu ... ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:29.16 | sdfhf | with apt can you get a package and deps with out installing ? |
| 21:29.27 | sdfhf | basically just d/load em |
| 21:29.38 | adb | -d |
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| 21:30.24 | pickcoder | aptitude download <package> |
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| 21:30.46 | sdfhf | and that will get the package plus deps |
| 21:31.01 | ShorTie | trying to replace regular xine-1.1 with xine-vdpau |
| 21:31.10 | azeem | ShorTie: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:31.20 | ShorTie | ÒkÍè ÐøKîÉ |
| 21:31.32 | sdfhf | basicall my home pc has a crap connection and i want to d/load the package on my laptop and install on my desktop |
| 21:31.55 | azeem | sdfhf: obviously, you wouldn't get the depends for your desktop then |
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| 21:32.26 | sdfhf | if i installed deb with same packages why would i ? |
| 21:32.47 | azeem | that'd be rather the exception than the rule |
| 21:32.55 | azeem | otherwise, maybe look at apt-zip as well |
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| 21:34.07 | sdfhf | yeah azeem i havent heard of that |
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| 21:35.09 | adb | dpkg: tell sdfhf about apt-zip |
| 21:35.59 | ale_ | my skype video is jst green.. Does somebody know how to solve this? |
| 21:36.07 | ale_ | I mean my own webcam is not working.. |
| 21:36.25 | sdfhf | thanks adb |
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| 21:37.59 | ale_ | anybody? |
| 21:38.06 | ale_ | pleasy pleasy please? |
| 21:38.31 | pappanz_ | "please with sugar on top?" |
| 21:38.49 | ale_ | of course! |
| 21:38.55 | debLiveKnoob | what's the inverse of sudo -i |
| 21:39.06 | adb | exit |
| 21:39.15 | cusco | sudo -s |
| 21:39.32 | debLiveKnoob | still # |
| 21:39.40 | cusco | ? |
| 21:39.42 | cusco | exit |
| 21:40.07 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.07 | debLiveKnoob | exit doesn't do anything |
| 21:40.24 | debLiveKnoob | whoami tells me I'm root |
| 21:40.29 | phorce1 | \amethyst: I was just temporarily moving /home off of a bad drive so I could replace it. I SHOULD have done this all at once and stayed the hell out of X |
| 21:40.33 | cusco | exit again |
| 21:40.45 | cusco | until you are not root |
| 21:40.46 | debLiveKnoob | ah, now it went to $ |
| 21:40.47 | debLiveKnoob | k |
| 21:40.55 | cusco | thats because you typed sudo twice |
| 21:41.03 | debLiveKnoob | heh, ok :D |
| 21:41.35 | ranix | udo su |
| 21:41.37 | ranix | quick |
| 21:41.39 | ranix | sudo su |
| 21:41.40 | ranix | ! |
| 21:41.46 | debLiveKnoob | udo? heh |
| 21:41.52 | ranix | no u |
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| 21:42.03 | phorce1 | is testing to see what else might be broken. /boot/grub/device.map looks all wrong |
| 21:42.19 | ale_ | friends.... do not abandon me and my webcam please.. |
| 21:42.19 | ranix | phorce1: may not be a bad idea to just reinstall grub |
| 21:42.31 | ranix | did you try to just copy the nonsense to a new hard disk? |
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| 21:43.04 | amphi | !tell ale_ -about webcam |
| 21:43.17 | ale_ | amphi: sorry? |
| 21:43.19 | phorce1 | I ran grub-mkdevicemap |
| 21:44.22 | debLiveKnoob | hm, can't do edit on sources.listdamn, info sudo got me stuck |
| 21:44.45 | debLiveKnoob | goddamned ksirc |
| 21:44.51 | phorce1 | in menu.lst it boots from (hd0,0) but in device.map the actual boot drive is listed as (hd4) |
| 21:45.07 | debLiveKnoob | damn info sudo got me stuck heh |
| 21:45.28 | ale_ | mates :( |
| 21:45.28 | amphi | ale_: you should have had a message from dpkg |
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| 21:45.43 | ale_ | amphi: like what? |
| 21:45.44 | amphi | ale_: I know buggerall about webcams |
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| 21:46.20 | phorce1 | !tell ale_ about webcam |
| 21:46.21 | ale_ | you know it works fine with cheese, but not with skype :( |
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| 21:46.49 | phorce1 | amphi: you put a '-' in front of 'about' on your tell line, it might not have worked |
| 21:46.51 | ale_ | amphi: oh yes I see now the message from dpkg :) |
| 21:47.13 | ale_ | yes it worked.. I'm just using irssi and notifications are pretty stealth :) |
| 21:47.14 | amphi | phorce1: no, that just stops dpkg telling me the same factoid |
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| 21:47.23 | phorce1 | amphi: oh |
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| 21:48.21 | phorce1 | ale_: if it works in one app but not another then you have the cam itself installed correctly. You'll probably need to look for skype specific support rather than debian general support |
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| 21:49.07 | phorce1 | ale_: just keep an eye on the status line (irssi) looking for purple |
| 21:49.15 | ale_ | thanks |
| 21:49.35 | ale_ | I know, I hoped somebody had the same problem with skype.. |
| 21:49.48 | ale_ | I couldn't find anything in google |
| 21:49.52 | phorce1 | always has at least 4 channels open so the status line is important |
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| 21:50.10 | craigevil | ale_: look in the skype forums |
| 21:50.13 | christiann | hi?, how can change /proc/version ? |
| 21:50.48 | adb | install other kernel ? |
| 21:50.57 | christiann | but just i want change one line ? |
| 21:50.57 | phorce1 | well, iceweasel seems to work as does icedove. Still wondering what else my drive swap might have broken |
| 21:51.19 | adb | christiann: why ? |
| 21:51.26 | christiann | hm |
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| 21:51.31 | christiann | i dont want say "Debian" |
| 21:51.33 | christiann | i want change that |
| 21:51.46 | adb | christiann: why ? |
| 21:51.48 | christiann | lol |
| 21:51.54 | christiann | just i wanna change it=) no reazon 1 |
| 21:52.01 | adb | christiann: why ? |
| 21:52.06 | christiann | mm¬¬ |
| 21:52.13 | christiann | can help me? |
| 21:52.24 | dkr | christiann: if it's for ssh logins, then there might be a better place to change it than in /proc. that's why we ask |
| 21:52.26 | debLiveKnoob | holy crap, kpackage is asking me for root password damn it |
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| 21:52.43 | CpR_ | christiann that's heresy |
| 21:52.57 | debLiveKnoob | and it can't tell for itself that there is none |
| 21:53.07 | christiann | heresy ? |
| 21:53.35 | dkr | christiann: but, the way to change it in /proc/version would simply be to edit the source and recompile your kernel |
| 21:54.27 | [buRn] | i installed debian lenny 5.0.2 , and it says out of range, so i use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reconfigured my dislaps and there is no kde i have twm as window manager |
| 21:54.39 | [buRn] | i choose to install kde from the menu |
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| 21:55.40 | [buRn] | what have goone wrong? |
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| 21:55.56 | adb | run , X -configure |
| 21:56.04 | DetroitLibertyPe | !lol |
| 21:56.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:56.10 | debLiveKnoob | screams |
| 21:56.24 | debLiveKnoob | wouldn't kpackage already have downloaded it before trying to install :/ |
| 21:56.55 | compilerwriter | I just did some googling to see if I could install kde 4.2 onto lenny and found a web page that says I would have to use one of the testing branches. Is that true or is the site outdated? |
| 21:56.57 | [buRn] | adb i still have twm |
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| 21:57.04 | [buRn] | like kde havent been installed |
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| 21:57.17 | christiann | dkr so i need compile new what ? |
| 21:57.30 | adb | kernel ? |
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| 21:57.39 | christiann | lol |
| 21:57.42 | christiann | all kernel:/ |
| 21:57.43 | christiann | ? |
| 21:57.54 | adb | only one |
| 21:59.12 | adb | [buRn]: install kdm kdebase |
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| 21:59.17 | opze | hi |
| 21:59.22 | amphi | christiann: you could decompress the kernel and attack it with a hex editor |
| 21:59.33 | amphi | the question remains, 'but why??' |
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| 21:59.39 | craigevil | compilerwriter: take a look at http://www.debian-desktop.org |
| 21:59.51 | adb | like hex editor |
| 21:59.55 | [buRn] | when i type kdm i shows login screen of kde when itype usernam andpassword and hit login i logs on twm |
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| 22:01.56 | opze | do you know if it kde debian is availabe ? |
| 22:02.02 | christiann | its changed but uname -a |
| 22:02.04 | christiann | its the same |
| 22:02.05 | christiann | lol |
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| 22:02.24 | dmoerner | opze: lenny (stable) has 3.x, squeeze (testing) has 4.x |
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| 22:02.49 | [buRn] | lenny has kde , ldxe, xfce and gnome |
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| 22:03.09 | opze | so by default gnome is installed |
| 22:03.24 | sdfhf | does lenny have compiz ? |
| 22:03.29 | opze | so i need to install it after gnome.. |
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| 22:03.45 | opze | i can't install kde when linux start ? |
| 22:03.54 | pappanz_ | opze, if you use netinst you can install kde directly |
| 22:04.11 | themill | dpkg: tell opze about install kde |
| 22:04.12 | bzed | opze: use your favouroite package manager and install kde and kdm |
| 22:04.16 | pickcoder | if you don't pick the desktop option and install it manually |
| 22:04.50 | adb | dpkg: tell sdfhf -about compiz |
| 22:05.00 | pappanz_ | opze, probably there are also kde-bringing cd images |
| 22:05.14 | [buRn] | 5 dvd is enogth for kde :d |
| 22:05.17 | ranix | like Kebian and Gebian |
| 22:05.18 | [buRn] | still not working for me :d |
| 22:05.23 | ranix | or Xebian |
| 22:05.26 | compilerwriter | craigevil: I guess then the answer is yes. I will need to install Lenny and then add thoses repos to the sources list and I can then upgrade to the latest kde. Have I got it correct? |
| 22:05.44 | opze | i didn't see kde cd image on debian website |
| 22:05.55 | craigevil | compilerwriter: one would assume, personally i think kde4 is crap |
| 22:05.58 | adb | [buRn]: ls -al /etc/alternatives/ | grep x-window-manager , says ? |
| 22:06.04 | ranix | don't forget Linux-Wintergreen |
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| 22:06.28 | [buRn] | i am not on debian right now since i dont have any irc clent there |
| 22:06.36 | craigevil | opze: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/debian-502-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 22:06.38 | ranix | apt-get install irssi |
| 22:06.55 | [buRn] | irsssi an be used from console? |
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| 22:07.02 | ranix | absolutely |
| 22:07.08 | [buRn] | and how to connect here? |
| 22:07.26 | adb | [buRn]: apt-get start debian |
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| 22:07.55 | compilerwriter | I kind of like the look and feel of it. I liked 3.5 though as well. I am not sure what I will want to do do. |
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| 22:08.43 | [buRn] | how to connect here with irssi? :D |
| 22:09.10 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.53 | opze | thanks for you help |
| 22:09.53 | [buRn] | bb in 5 mins :D |
| 22:09.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.02 | [buRn] | thnx |
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| 22:11.21 | debLiveKnoob | here's a silly question, why are there deb and deb-src in the beginning of the lines in /apt/sources.list |
| 22:12.13 | leoventura | deb is the applications and deb-src is the source of applications |
| 22:12.33 | debLiveKnoob | oh yeah, should've guessed. |
| 22:13.07 | leoventura | you'll need the deb-src if want to use apt-build |
| 22:13.09 | leoventura | :) |
| 22:13.16 | debLiveKnoob | the sources adresses came wrong in my live cd apparently |
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| 22:13.51 | debLiveKnoob | hmm, still a handful of errors, of the 404 kind this time |
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| 22:14.42 | debLiveKnoob | holy crap no |
| 22:15.16 | debLiveKnoob | package configuration is asking me to ok the license but I don't know how to proceed from the prompt |
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| 22:15.46 | chovy | will dist-upgrade upgrade me from 4.0 to 5.0? |
| 22:15.53 | themill | dpkg: tell chovy about etch->lenny |
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| 22:16.03 | themill | chovy: it's a little more complicated than that |
| 22:16.06 | burn_ | ok i am from debian |
| 22:16.19 | adb | [buRn]: ls -al /etc/alternatives/ | grep x-window-manager , says ? |
| 22:16.45 | debLiveKnoob | http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200#Lenny tells me to accept the license but not how |
| 22:16.50 | debLiveKnoob | slaps konsole around a bit |
| 22:16.59 | christiann | debian its the same ubuntu? |
| 22:17.22 | adb | christiann: why ? |
| 22:17.28 | compilerwriter | Will lenny automount usb pen drives or am I going to have remember how to mount stuff manually? |
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| 22:17.34 | themill | debLiveKnoob: our ESP-over-IRC isn't perfect... you'll need to tell us more. Pastebin or a screenshot would help |
| 22:17.35 | christiann | just ask? |
| 22:17.38 | burn_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-07-20 16:14 x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/twm |
| 22:17.39 | christiann | is the same system ? |
| 22:17.39 | burn_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2009-07-20 16:14 x-window-manager.1.gz -> /usr/share/man/man1/twm.1.gz |
| 22:17.48 | christiann | same comands? |
| 22:18.17 | debLiveKnoob | it's titled package configuration if it helps |
| 22:18.21 | debLiveKnoob | alright, I'll screenshot |
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| 22:18.59 | eggenz7 | im trying to install ebox on intrepid..anybody have any insight on workarounds to get it going? |
| 22:19.01 | themill | debLiveKnoob: at a guess, tab to change where the focus is, space or enter to "hit" the OK button |
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| 22:19.28 | craigevil | compilerwriter: in kde/gnome yes |
| 22:19.58 | craigevil | !tell eggenz7 about ubuntu |
| 22:20.11 | debLiveKnoob | ah thanks yeah tab fixed it |
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| 22:20.18 | christiann | debian its in 1 cd ?? |
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| 22:20.32 | adb | ~32 |
| 22:20.44 | burn__ | ok |
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| 22:20.49 | burn__ | i installed xchat on debian |
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| 22:20.54 | burn__ | si i have graphic irc :D |
| 22:21.07 | christiann | bubble |
| 22:21.10 | christiann | burn__ speak |
| 22:21.11 | christiann | spanish? |
| 22:21.16 | burn__ | no |
| 22:21.17 | debLiveKnoob | I should replace this crap ksirc with a better client |
| 22:21.25 | burn__ | si is mistake it should be so* :D |
| 22:21.43 | themill | debLiveKnoob: konversation is pretty good if you're looking for a graphical client |
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| 22:22.01 | burn__ | adb ? |
| 22:22.28 | adb | nothing , now it work |
| 22:22.47 | debLiveKnoob | anything that's better than this and kopete |
| 22:22.50 | christiann | Debian are in 1 cd ???? |
| 22:23.01 | debLiveKnoob | what do you mean christiann |
| 22:23.01 | adb | ~30 |
| 22:23.02 | burn__ | christiann: 5 dvd-s |
| 22:23.15 | christiann | LOL |
| 22:23.21 | christiann | i cant install from 1 cd? |
| 22:23.25 | debLiveKnoob | yes |
| 22:23.30 | debLiveKnoob | or no cd at all |
| 22:23.32 | christiann | http://laotzu.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/debian-502-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 22:23.34 | christiann | this is ? |
| 22:23.39 | burn__ | u can use net install |
| 22:23.42 | debLiveKnoob | that is no, you can install from 1 cd |
| 22:23.52 | adb | !net install |
| 22:24.33 | christiann | ;S |
| 22:24.36 | adb | !netinst |
| 22:24.37 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 22:24.38 | christiann | so i need download more |
| 22:24.39 | keith4_ | I have a lenny box that, when I wake it from suspend (S3), Xorg rails at 100% CPU |
| 22:24.42 | christiann | 89021 gb? |
| 22:24.50 | christiann | lol |
| 22:24.55 | themill | christiann: if you've already downloaded that iso image, just use it |
| 22:25.28 | christiann | but not cant install from one cd, like ubuntu? |
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| 22:25.41 | keith4_ | you can install from a 40M CD |
| 22:25.45 | burn__ | no debian is biggeer |
| 22:25.53 | burn__ | or netinstall |
| 22:26.05 | themill | christiann: you can install from one cd. The iso image URL you pasted is fine for installing. |
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| 22:26.19 | christiann | nice |
| 22:26.20 | christiann | just |
| 22:26.21 | christiann | basic ! |
| 22:26.27 | christiann | with kde desktop |
| 22:26.29 | christiann | just need that |
| 22:26.33 | themill | !enter |
| 22:26.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 22:28.26 | christiann | Current Downstream: 304.88 KBytes/s |
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| 22:29.27 | Old_Spike0 | I recently discovered that there is an update-alternatives --whatever to change the default editor, instead of editing local environment. Is there a good guide, man page,... to learn all this things? I am mostly used to editing simple files...not the debian way... |
| 22:30.26 | cusco | !tell Old_Spike0 editor |
| 22:30.37 | cusco | !tell Old_Spike0 about editor |
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| 22:31.09 | keith4_ | what does that have to do with his question? |
| 22:31.28 | keith4_ | Old_Spike0, try 'man update-alternatives' |
| 22:31.35 | themill | Old_Spike0: are you asking what other things are managed by the alternatives system? |
| 22:31.38 | petemc | !reference |
| 22:31.38 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 22:31.40 | debLiveKnoob | iwconfig tells me no wireless extensions great! |
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| 22:31.58 | sl0ppy | anyone know how can i update to php 5.2.4 in debian etch? |
| 22:32.09 | sl0ppy | the latest it offers me is 5.2.0 |
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| 22:32.48 | debLiveKnoob | the second link is forbidden |
| 22:33.27 | adb | dpkg: tell debLiveKnoob -about ipw2200 |
| 22:33.38 | amphi | debLiveKnoob: what card is it? |
| 22:33.39 | themill | sl0ppy: no, and there's not really any advantages to doing so anyway. Specifically what are looking for from 5.2.4? |
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| 22:33.52 | sl0ppy | themill: to use zend framework |
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| 22:34.04 | sl0ppy | i'm getting errors with 5.2.0 |
| 22:34.10 | themill | sl0ppy: any reason not to upgrade to lenny? |
| 22:34.22 | debLiveKnoob | it's ipw2200, wiki isn't helping, I'll go despair all acros the sf.net page |
| 22:34.22 | sl0ppy | themill: it's being considered but the system is a remote server |
| 22:34.33 | sl0ppy | what are the chances of breakage? |
| 22:34.56 | adb | debLiveKnoob: just read bot message |
| 22:35.10 | debLiveKnoob | I have |
| 22:35.24 | themill | sl0ppy: php is non-trivial to backport. I wouldn't recommend it and it's a package that you'll have to keep compiling on a regular basis every time another security hole is found in it. |
| 22:35.32 | adb | debLiveKnoob: install what he said |
| 22:36.01 | sl0ppy | themill: ok |
| 22:36.30 | themill | dpkg, reference =~ s,http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/,http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/, |
| 22:36.31 | dpkg | themill: OK |
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| 22:38.33 | debLiveKnoob | it's installed, I'm just confused asiwconfig doens't seem, SEEM to tell me anything about any wireless |
| 22:38.57 | adb | wonder if bot is 'he' or 'she' |
| 22:39.06 | debLiveKnoob | it |
| 22:39.33 | Old_Spike0 | dpkg, keith4 : thanks. I read that guide about 3 years ago and it seemed a bit outdated and incomplete to me. I suppose, as the rest of Debian, it has improved a lot ;-) . I'll give it another try. |
| 22:39.34 | dpkg | Old_Spike0: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
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| 22:40.07 | Koper | Hi.. Is there a way to have a colored shell? :( |
| 22:40.07 | debLiveKnoob | oh yeah, kde is showing me wireless functions now, alright, I'll stop bugging you until I actually get problems other than comprehending what's happening |
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| 22:40.09 | themill | since when did dpkg get all polite like that? |
| 22:40.33 | themill | "You are moron #2." has a much nicer ring to it..... :P |
| 22:41.07 | debLiveKnoob | great exit should not be synonymous with two different functions in konsole :( |
| 22:41.26 | debLiveKnoob | I guess konsole doesn't log stuff by default |
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| 22:41.59 | leoventura | how can I remove the transparency of the kde4 menu? |
| 22:42.05 | Old_Spike0 | sorry dpkg , I was only looking for a good handbook or something. |
| 22:42.17 | chovy | themill: thanks...i actually don't want to upgrade from 4 to 5. |
| 22:42.29 | chovy | to dist-upgrade will just give me the latest and greatest for 4.0? |
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| 22:43.31 | themill | chovy: as long as you have only got "etch" in your sources.list yes. If you have "lenny" or "stable", then you need to fix that before doing a dist-upgrade |
| 22:44.29 | christiann | Current Downstream: 252.82 KBytes/s |
| 22:46.06 | DynVdebian | I'm having a problem on this debian-only box that can be resolved either by connecting an external drive to it or sharing files to a Vista-only box that has proper access to the drive. To connect the drive to this bix, someone suggested I install ntfs-3g, as I did but I still can't write to the external drive. This is the dmesg right after I booted http://pastebin.com/d1c4b6596 it seems the drive info is intertwined with other info. it didn't w |
| 22:46.06 | DynVdebian | ork so I connected to to vista, safely removed it and reconnected it here (debian), now dmesg shows this http://pastebin.com/d377b638e and the last sentence give an error that was previously fixed by safely removing it from vista, weird. For the sesond possiblity of sharing, I'm using samba here but I'm having problem connecting to it through Vista, I don't know if the problem is Vista not properly connection or samba not properly enabling a conn |
| 22:46.06 | DynVdebian | ection ; I'm not sure of the logins samba use but a year ago I had another debian connect to it properly and I think it was the logins I'm actually using, perhaps there's a way I can make sure ? I've been trying to have an external drive connect to this box for a long time, I'd appreciate your help. |
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| 22:47.07 | chovy | thank you. |
| 22:47.12 | chovy | I did have latest for security. |
| 22:47.36 | macrobat | Koper: you can have a colored prompt and colored man pages for example: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html |
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| 22:48.44 | macrobat | or ncurses apps or you can set colors in your terminal app |
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| 22:49.31 | Koper | Thanks macrobat |
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| 22:53.56 | compilerwriter | is excited that he is doing a debian install now. |
| 22:54.31 | debLiveKnoob | what were you using before compilerwriter |
| 22:54.58 | compilerwriter | I was using Kubuntu debLiveKnoob. |
| 22:55.17 | phorce1 | how does one get rid of (ok, where did it come from?) the "hibernate" stuff that will never be used? I got my new boot drive installed and now it complains about not being able to stat the "restore file" at /dev/hda5 |
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| 22:56.04 | adb | phorce1: /dev/hda5 was the old swap partition |
| 22:56.23 | compilerwriter | debLiveKnoob: Jaunty required an nvidia driver version that no longer supported my GeForce MX 420. It appears though that lenny will. At this point I am more inclined to save for a newer computer than just upgrade my video card. |
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| 22:57.36 | debLiveKnoob | ah! |
| 22:57.37 | phorce1 | adb: yes, but I will *NEVER* use suspend or hibernate on this machine so it doesn't need to be checking for a restore image at boot time. |
| 22:57.46 | adb | phorce1: fix it in fstab , and reinstall the kernel , |
| 22:58.17 | adb | it is checking automatically by kernel |
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| 22:58.48 | amphi | phorce1: is CONFIG_PM_STD_PARTITION set in your kernel config? |
| 22:58.56 | compilerwriter | debLiveKnoob: I am guessing that Debian won't be too much different than Kubuntu since Kubuntu was based upon Debian. |
| 22:59.13 | phorce1 | adb: it's already gone from fstab as swap. I fixed fstab several reboots back. It just started to error out when I physically removed the drive |
| 22:59.25 | phorce1 | amphi: Stock debian kernel |
| 22:59.47 | amphi | phorce1: do a recursive grep for sda5 on /etc perhaps |
| 22:59.58 | debLiveKnoob | I'm guessing that with a bit of work and sweat you can make it similar :D |
| 23:00.00 | nkuttler | bah, io errors on / |
| 23:00.19 | trakcyia | Anyone know how to find out which device driver is being used for my wireless device? |
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| 23:00.49 | nkuttler | trakcyia: /var/log/messages, lsmod |
| 23:00.56 | simonrvn | lspci -k (won't work on lenny) |
| 23:00.58 | phorce1 | amphi: AHA! uswsusp.conf |
| 23:01.19 | themill | phorce1: do you have resume=blah on your kernel command line? |
| 23:01.19 | trakcyia | Worked, THANKS!! |
| 23:01.27 | phorce1 | why the heck did I install that? |
| 23:02.00 | phorce1 | themill: no, and I am familiar with the kernel command line after fixing grub 3 times |
| 23:02.10 | compilerwriter | debLiveKnoob: It is now asking me how I want to partition stuff. I will have many more options if I have seperate partitions for /home /tmp /usr etc won't I? Will that unecessarily complicate things later though? |
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| 23:03.40 | phorce1 | uswsusp is purging without yanking other stuff with it. Must have been a night I was bored and playing with the system |
| 23:05.00 | phorce1 | yuck, openoffice updates |
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| 23:10.05 | amphi | s/updates// |
| 23:11.20 | TTimo | Hello. I need the 32 bit version of zlib on my sid amd64 install. I read the ia32-apt-get docs and it's not making much sense. apt-get install ia32-zlib1g or ia32-apt-get install ia32-zlib1g both say package doesn't exist. Any hints? |
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| 23:12.34 | phorce1 | amphi: heh, Need it for the spreadsheets. Don't actually use anything but calc |
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| 23:15.43 | adb | abiword is smaller than openoffice.org |
| 23:15.55 | amphi | phorce1: gnumeric no good? I'm not much of a spreadsheet user |
| 23:16.20 | DanDare | shutting down my Lenny system i got two error messages: "stopping mysql database server: mysqld: failed" and "killing all remaining proccesses: failed". How to spot what´s going wrong ? |
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| 23:16.58 | mischief | is there any file anywhere i could look at to figure out what packages were installed by me and not automasically? |
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| 23:17.06 | mischief | any file, that is |
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| 23:18.12 | phorce1 | I got comfortable with Oo using on both win and deb boxes. Plus it integrates easier for my customers who want M$ office compatibility without the cost |
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| 23:19.46 | phorce1 | DanDare: force the reboot and see if it forces you to fsck your / drive when it comes back up. I would get errors like that when my / drive got remounted ro due to drive problems |
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| 23:21.24 | DanDare | phorce1, just rebooted and nothing asking for fsck. I just: checked with 'badblocks' this drive and restored the system image with partimage. I supose the disk is OK |
| 23:22.28 | DanDare | phorce1, after making the image with partimage i performed 'badblocks -w' in the source drive so i think drives are ok. |
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| 23:25.07 | phorce1 | DanDare: mysql could have been a stuck /var/run file. eg. it was already stopped and didn't know it. The other, I have no idea. |
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| 23:25.15 | amphi | phorce1: right |
| 23:25.24 | DanDare | ok thanks |
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| 23:30.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:30.28 | pickcoder | argh... a dist-upgrade has b0rked bind |
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| 23:30.40 | clusty | hey |
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| 23:30.55 | clusty | i need a bit of help installing a linux with pxe |
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| 23:31.26 | clusty | followed a tutorial but it does not work. tftp for windows is complaining: Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:29:25.069] |
| 23:31.26 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:25.070] |
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| 23:31.26 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:29.073] |
| 23:31.26 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:29:33.082] |
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| 23:31.40 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:41.101] |
| 23:31.42 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:29:45.110] |
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| 23:31.46 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:45.110] |
| 23:31.48 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP inform Msg for IP 192.168.1.101, Mac 00:26:18:0A:F9:AA [20/07 19:29:48.905] |
| 23:31.50 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:29:49.120] |
| 23:31.52 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:49.120] |
| 23:31.54 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:29:53.129] |
| 23:31.56 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:53.129] |
| 23:31.58 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:29:57.138] |
| 23:32.00 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:29:57.139] |
| 23:32.02 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Discover Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:13:A9:F9:09:B5 [20/07 19:30:01.148] |
| 23:32.04 | clusty | no more address or address previously allocated by another server [20/07 19:30:01.148] |
| 23:32.06 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP Rqst Msg for IP 0.0.0.0, Mac 00:26:08:6B:E9:7E [20/07 19:30:40.052] |
| 23:32.07 | pickcoder | use a pastebin |
| 23:32.08 | clusty | Rcvd DHCP inform Msg for IP 192.168.1.101 |
| 23:32.10 | clusty | damn. sorry |
| 23:32.12 | clusty | wanted to copy one linr |
| 23:32.16 | clusty | is there a way to use my roter DHCP? |
| 23:32.24 | clusty | and tftp to run on another pc? |
| 23:32.25 | grul | if using irssi and accidentally pasting lots of crap: /server purge |
| 23:32.44 | clusty | grul, sorry about that. xchat here |
| 23:33.27 | clusty | i got pxe working ages ago setting one PC as dhcp and tftp server and connected other directly. are there no nicer ways of doing this? |
| 23:34.19 | pickcoder | wth won't bind start |
| 23:34.22 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 23:35.07 | pipeline | clusty: yes, if you set the right dhcp parameters on the dhcp server, the tftp server can be almost anywhere |
| 23:35.36 | clusty | pipeline, well dhcp is a regular router (no a PC) |
| 23:35.39 | clusty | not* |
| 23:36.01 | pipeline | clusty: it should still let you set options etgc |
| 23:36.23 | clusty | pipeline, what should i set? |
| 23:36.43 | pipeline | clusty: it depends on the client... I think for pxe the relevant option is "next-server" |
| 23:37.06 | pipeline | clusty: all dhcp options have a number associated with them. Some are defined by vendors. The number (should) always be unique. I don't remember the number for "next-server" |
| 23:37.11 | adb | for you future cluster a pc dhcp bind server etc is nicer |
| 23:37.52 | clusty | pipeline, pfff. this does not help at all. ssh-ing into the router (luckilly i can since i reflashed it with linux firmware) and fixing dhcp is just as hard and giving windows a static ip and skipping router alltogether |
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| 23:38.37 | clusty | adb, well this is practice really :D. on the location the dhcp is a linux box. wanted to see if i can get it running now |
| 23:38.44 | clusty | before all the junk arrives |
| 23:38.52 | pipeline | clusty: the gateway's web interface should allow you to define dhcp options |
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| 23:40.00 | clusty | pipeline, not with tomato |
| 23:40.10 | clusty | brb |
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| 23:42.50 | Roster | hi, I need some help, PLEASE |
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| 23:43.41 | Roster | Someone is ddosing my system |
| 23:43.43 | Roster | on port 0 |
| 23:43.46 | Roster | How can I close that port |
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| 23:45.58 | petemc | Roster: how are you detecting this traffic? |
| 23:46.06 | pickcoder | I'm getting a connection refused error when try to start bind9 |
| 23:46.20 | Roster | petemc because he copy/pasted me lol |
| 23:47.07 | pickcoder | rndc won't let me flush or reload either |
| 23:47.09 | pickcoder | same error |
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| 23:58.48 | taras | how comes xorg.conf is empty? |
| 23:59.30 | taras | in lenny |
| 23:59.34 | Slacking | OT: how can I claim my nick back? |
| 23:59.36 | taras | and how I run this X .... |
| 23:59.40 | Slacking | on irc |
