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00:00.01unitypunki havent installed a firewall on it at ll
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00:00.14paissad-hpi see no package for emerald, i add contrib and non-free to the sources.list btw
00:00.24paissad-hpi updated and searched , but nothing
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00:00.49rgrWhat is emerald?
00:01.21paissad-hpa window decorator
00:01.30paissad-hpfor compiz in particular
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00:02.11paissad-hpdoes someone have any idea of how to obtain and install emerald
00:02.22zinxpaissad-hp: "aptitude install emerald"
00:02.35rgr*chuckle*
00:02.44zinxworksforme
00:02.53rgrno it doesnt. You forgot the sudo ...
00:02.56rgr:-;
00:03.05zinxi run irc as root
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00:03.16rgrclever!
00:03.17paissad-hpzinx, oh, it does work, but it's weird that aptitute search emerald returns me nothing
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00:04.04nan8unitypunk: apn = access point name
00:04.04CalJohnI have install the package libapache2-mod-scgi, but I'm not sure to to make apache load it?
00:04.09paissad-hpzinx, actually, it returns me "xemeraldia" but that all and that's not what i want :)
00:04.19zinxpaissad-hp: no, it isn't
00:04.29zinx!info emerald stable
00:04.34blendmaster1024my network card isn't working with debian
00:04.56blendmaster1024it works for 3 minutes, then some odd error shows up in dmesg andit breaks
00:04.58zinxhmmmm
00:05.27blendmaster1024i'm using the tulip driver, dmXXxxx
00:05.33nick4CutMeOwnThroat: I type mirror -c but lftp doesn't actually continue partial files. How do I make it continue?
00:05.48blendmaster1024the capital Xs aren't Xs in the real driver name, i just don't remember
00:05.55zinxpaissad-hp: well, it /used/ to be in Debian :X
00:05.59paissad-hpzinx, sorry, i didn't read well, it does not work, aptitude says that emerald does not exists but xemeraldia does exist
00:06.03CutMeOwnThroatno idea
00:06.10nick4okey thanks
00:06.17blendmaster1024anyone seen anything like this?
00:06.26blendmaster1024it looks like a bug in tulip to me.
00:06.31CutMeOwnThroat"-c continue a mirror job if possible" - perhaps it's just "not possible"?
00:06.35rgrthats a game
00:06.59nick4CutMeOwnThroat: well, then I need to find out when it is and isn't possible
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00:07.03blendmaster1024rgr: who are you talking to?
00:07.04zinxpaissad-hp: looks like it's been removed from Debian
00:07.12paissad-hpzinx, maybe
00:07.15rgrI thought emerald was defunct! But then I dont use compiz anymore :-;
00:07.24rgrblendmaster1024: to paissad-hp
00:07.26blendmaster1024oh
00:07.37blendmaster1024lol, that makes more sense
00:07.43paissad-hp:)
00:08.52blendmaster1024so anybody know networking well enough to help me?
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00:11.14CalJohnfixed it
00:11.29blendmaster1024huh?
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00:14.31blendmaster1024ahem i need this answered
00:15.05blendmaster1024a no or two would do fine :( just to show that people can see me
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00:21.59CutMeOwnThroatnick4, "append" in the regular ftp client does seem to provide what lftp has to use there
00:22.04CutMeOwnThroatdunno if all servers support that
00:22.18blendmaster1024uhm...
00:22.27blendmaster1024HELLO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!
00:22.55bkjoewho are you talking to?
00:23.05blendmaster1024anyone who knows the answer:
00:23.21derekjablendmaster1024: you didn't ask a question
00:23.31blendmaster1024"my network card isn't working with debian" ...
00:23.43derekjanot a question
00:23.49blendmaster1024"i'm using the tulip driver, dmXXxxx" ...
00:24.01blendmaster1024"the capital Xs aren't Xs in the real driver name, i just don't remember"
00:24.13blendmaster1024"anyone seen anything like this?"
00:24.23blendmaster1024"it looks like a bug in tulip to me."
00:24.31blendmaster1024there, that's what i said
00:24.41blendmaster1024and i need an answer fairly soon....
00:24.49derekjai assume no one knows an answer
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00:25.01blendmaster1024i'm asking other places too but the odd bug is debian spcific so here seems best
00:25.16bkjoedid you ask google?
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00:26.57nan8YEAH! works :-)) found the apn on http://www.teltarif.de/i/gprs-config.html
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00:29.37blendmaster1024oh, no! google might know!
00:29.43wooby1hello everyone, i'm trying to install etch on an old 486 laptop w/ boot floppies
00:30.00wooby1i have a wpc11 linksys pcmcia wifi card, but i'm not sure which packages to install from the net* disks to get it working
00:30.06wooby1it's not be detected i don't think
00:30.09wooby1thanks in advance for any help
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00:43.11crungeTrying to install debian from the Netinst disk on a USB key. The install can't find the CDROM drive (which there isn't one). How do I get it to read its files from the USB key?
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00:44.23cantidocrunge: I haven't done it myself, but apparently you copy the usb bit to the usb key and then drop the iso in. I'm pretty sure there are instructions..
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00:44.55crungeokay, so the ISO has to be in with the other data files
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00:46.42cantidoso I've heard, I'm sure there is a readme
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00:47.29crungeI was reading it but the instructions didn't get me to a bootable USB key. I cheated and used Ubuntu's USB Startup Disk creator thingie on a debian install disk
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00:47.49crungeso I got the bootable part accomplished but not the install disk part
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00:48.52cantidohttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en - mumumaagic
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00:49.31crungethose are the ones
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00:50.42simonrvnodd question here... anyone know python well, and know of a good visual-oriented tutorial?
00:50.58Judge--Hello.. how can I install this package http://packages.debian.org/etch/lib32ncurses5 if apto-get install says it was not found?
00:51.17simonrvni learn by doing, and seeing, and so i need something like that to advance
00:51.23crungesimonrvn: I don't know python well, I know perl well. But I though O'Reilly's "Beginning Python" book was decent. I don't recall how visual it is
00:51.51simonrvncrunge: nothing online eh? kinda poor ;)
00:52.01simonrvn(financially)
00:52.13crungesimonrvn: can't say I've looked. I don't really care for python
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00:52.36simonrvnthanks for the advice on the book.. i'll keep an eye out
00:52.46crungesimonrvn: did you try ##python?
00:52.54Judge--how can I install this package http://packages.debian.org/etch/lib32ncurses5 if apto-get install says it was not found? Can you read?
00:53.14simonrvnyes, but they were very busy, and i doubt they knew from the lack of response
00:53.27simonrvn!tell Judge-- -about repeat
00:53.32crungesimonrvn: yeah, it can't be heard to know a good learning resource when you already know
00:53.46crungewhen you already know the material that is
00:53.48Judge--simonrvn I saw a message saying the message was not sent
00:53.51simonrvnJudge--: did you try searching for it?
00:54.38simonrvnmaybe you have the name wrong
00:54.41Judge--simonrvn no..
00:54.42crungesimonrvn: are you new to programming or just python
00:54.52Judge--simonrvn but that's in the debin site
00:54.54simonrvndoesn't do 64 bit stuff
00:55.05Judge--and apt-cache search didn't find too
00:55.14Judge--even after an update
00:55.20bloufanyone know how to change the default shortname=lower in shortmount=mixed for vfat usb drives ?
00:55.28simonrvncrunge: i just do very basic things in shell... get by, but not what i'd call real programming
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00:55.57cantidoIsn't python++ out soon.. so all the books out right now will become moot
00:55.59crungesimonrvn: I'd recommend picking up Logo first, even if you only spend a couple weeks learning it
00:56.10crungesimonrvn: I would then learn the basics of C
00:56.15simonrvni don't have a coupla weeks ;)
00:56.37simonrvnafter tomorrow i do
00:56.54crungewell, moving on to C is really dependent on if you want to be a programmer or just like a sysadmin with coding skills
00:56.54simonrvnJudge--: thinking
00:57.07simonrvni'm more the latter
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00:57.23crungesimonrvn: Ah, C is good then but not nearly as high priority
00:57.35simonrvnnot really no
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00:57.39crungesimonrvn: python is probably a good choice for you then
00:57.43cantidocrunge: C is more about actually understanding how stuff works, you don't see concepts like pointers in other languages.
00:57.46simonrvn(being high prio)
00:58.04crungecantido: right, which is why I went to ask if he intended to become a programmer
00:58.40simonrvnblouf: edit fstab for that mountpoint
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00:59.44cantidowas going to have a whack at python, but apparently they break compatibility all the time.. so didn't bother :P
00:59.47crungeI really love perl for sysadmin stuff but getting into even intermediate perl requires some mental contortions for it to become provitable
00:59.51simonrvnJudge--: well, i suppose you could fetch the 32bit version, and install it to /lib32 but probably not a good idea if you don't know what you're doing ;)
01:00.15simonrvncantido: they warn you between versions, but they do do it a lot yes
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01:01.03Judge--I got it working
01:01.05Judge--thank
01:01.08Judge--thanks
01:01.10simonrvnJudge--: go to packages.debian.org and do a search for something like ncurse5, not 'lib32ncurses5'
01:01.13cantidoIt was either python or java for my current personal stuff.. small emulators, things like that, I choose java just because the tools are pretty good
01:01.18simonrvncool
01:01.57Judge--yes..
01:02.02Judge--:-)
01:02.04CutMeOwnThroatenouf, I think using the win32-loader.exe would be a cute way to boot into a stick from windows...
01:02.10CutMeOwnThroatif I could figure out how to use it...
01:02.33crungeAfter spending a couple of years doing perl then coming (back) to Java I've really learned to appreciate the type safety
01:02.34CutMeOwnThroatit seems to be only intended for use by the scripts making boot-cds
01:02.38cantidoCutMeOwnThroat: The windows loader doesn't load that much of windows IIRC
01:02.50CutMeOwnThroatcantido whatcha mean?
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01:03.22CutMeOwnThroatit essentially drops into a bootloader from windows... I think
01:03.35cantidoCutMeOwnThroat: It installs a hook into windows' boot loader and then loads inself off of the windows disk,.. so you have to have the files there I think
01:03.45cantidos/inself/itself/
01:03.54CutMeOwnThroatthat's fine
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01:04.39cantidogoodbyewindows.com has the installer all packaged up.. I think it's current
01:04.53CutMeOwnThroatbut I want it for *my* usbstick
01:05.10ramzi123anubody can help how to set my microphone in macbook
01:05.25cantidoramzi123: there are lots of different "macbooks"
01:05.30CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't even have /usr/share/doc/win32-loader/README, though
01:05.52ramzi123?
01:06.27ramzi123dual core eghz ,13 ' screen
01:06.32cantidoramzi123: In apple-speak I think they are called generations. Same name, totally different hardware inside, getting the mic working will depend on the generation you have
01:06.36ramzi1232ghz
01:06.51ramzi123cantido: how to know that
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01:07.21cantidoramzi123: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
01:07.43newbiehello.
01:07.48newbiehmm
01:07.57cantidoramzi123: on my 2.16ghz macbook the mic just works with 2.6.29, I can't remember it working before that :)
01:08.25CutMeOwnThroatramzi123, you're using alsa for sound?
01:08.40CutMeOwnThroataw, all right
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01:09.05ramzi123CutMeOwnThroat: new to linux , how to know tat?
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01:09.46CutMeOwnThroat.. generally /msg dpkg alsa checklist is the thing (at least for PC hardware) - for the microphone if you go to alsamixer and hit 'tab' once you get to the microphone settings - when you hit 'space' you toggle/set the capture device for the micro
01:10.17CutMeOwnThroatperhaps capture is just not set on some device you need (mine needs "mic" and "capture", both)
01:10.36CutMeOwnThroatalso, should be unmuted :)
01:11.02CutMeOwnThroatcantido, did you ever use it/make one yourself?
01:11.04ramzi123where cani find alsa mixer?how to launch it ?
01:11.20CutMeOwnThroattype "alsamixer" in a shell?
01:11.27CutMeOwnThroat!alsa checklist
01:11.27dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again)  2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels)  3) arts or esound stopped?  4) OSS modules unloaded?  5) speakers on?  6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.  See also <list alsa users>.
01:11.33Supaplex!search
01:11.34dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>.  The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot).  <search dpkg> for factoids.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
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01:13.30cantidoCutMeOwnThroat: The windows loader? I've used it, not changed it though
01:13.45CutMeOwnThroatis there any documentation on it?
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01:14.15CutMeOwnThroatramzi123, it's in the alsa-utils package
01:14.41CutMeOwnThroatwin32-loader is a Debian thing, though, right?
01:14.41ramzi123aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav i got sound when i typed this
01:16.03cantidoCutMeOwnThroat: It has a svn repo at svn.debian.org, and there is a directory called "manual" but it's empty heh
01:16.37CutMeOwnThroatthis is pretty neat to load *anything* from within windows...
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01:16.43cantidoactually, no there is stuff, nothing technical
01:17.16cantidoCutMeOwnThroat: It's not like the Windows 98 loadlin though where it replaces the running OS :/
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01:26.16CutMeOwnThroatwell, that dosn't work with xp et. al
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01:28.18BubbaTIs there a way to create a symbolic link so that if it cuts across a mount point, you atomatically mount the partition if it is not already mounted?
01:28.41cantidoBubbaT: you need something like autofs
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01:35.16tawan:S I can't change the chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers   as is it "sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440"
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01:36.55\amethysttawan:  so become root some other way then chmod it.  You probably created a root password when you installed, so use that to either su, or log in at a console
01:36.57CutMeOwnThroatwhy not
01:37.03tawani changed it to edit it and now no sudo works and I don't seem to have access to root with my sudo password
01:37.20CutMeOwnThroathehe
01:37.25CutMeOwnThroat!sudosmite tawan
01:37.26dpkgtakes a lump of 2x4 to tawan and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
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01:37.46CutMeOwnThroatthe joy of sudo
01:38.37tawanhears distant echos of a decision made during a late night installation marathon
01:39.21\amethyst!I forgot root's password
01:39.21dpkg1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
01:39.37blouftawan: h4[ky0uR53lf
01:39.49CutMeOwnThroatright... good idea, that factoid
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01:40.35CutMeOwnThroatsXpasswd rootXchmod 0440 /etc/sudoersX
01:40.49\amethystwell
01:40.57\amethystyou probably do want to know your root password, anyway
01:41.03CutMeOwnThroatheh
01:41.10\amethystmight as well do both :)
01:41.57CutMeOwnThroatthe installer asks you if you want to use su or sudo....
01:41.57CutMeOwnThroatyeah
01:41.57CutMeOwnThroatI think the root pwd just stays unset if you decide for sudo
01:41.57\amethystCutMeOwnThroat:  oh, it does?  I haven't installed recently
01:41.57CutMeOwnThroatI did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111123456678-42-42-42
01:41.57CutMeOwnThroat1st time in 8 years or so :)
01:42.33CutMeOwnThroat\amethyst, and I also found out why so many clueless people ask about raid/lvm setups...
01:42.33bloufyeah
01:42.40bloufdebian is sweet
01:42.46cantidoyou miss out on a lot doing debootstrap installs all the time :/
01:42.49blouf3 years to install, and many years to enjoy
01:43.07CutMeOwnThroatthe installer asks you and it's an equivalent option to a regular install on a simple partitiion (bloody stupid, imo)
01:43.10cantidoblouf: you installed over serial?
01:43.24bloufyup
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01:43.57CutMeOwnThroatso all it needs is someone squaking "lvm is sooooooooooo great" and some noob uses a lvm+raid+encryption+loadsOfProblems setup
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01:44.04CutMeOwnThroatencryption, too, forgot that
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01:46.46LordVorpis there a package for reading CHM files?
01:47.11LordVorpasked a stupid question before checking apt, sorry
01:47.16abrotmanLordVorp: yes
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01:47.39mikegriffinhello, i am about to cancel a dedicated server that i no longer need with a hosting provider, i would like to wipe the drive, i can do this as the application doing the scrubbing will be in memory right? any tips/best practice?
01:48.47snarkyFishI've got a knoppix question, but i can't find any knoppix communities lively enough to help me.  (and its an HD installed system anyway). When I boot this system up initially, it prompts me for the size I'd want to make a disk image for storing changes.  Any idea where that prompt would originate from and where i can disable it?  I'd like this thing to be essentially read only from boot to boot and not store any changes..
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01:49.40CutMeOwnThroatmikegriffin, "apt-cache search wipe disk"?
01:49.40mikegriffinsnarkyFish: checked rc.local?
01:49.59mikegriffinCutMeOwnThroat: i think you missed the spirit of my question
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01:50.04mikegriffinbut perhaps you are correct
01:50.26CutMeOwnThroatmikegriffin, ok, then "yes" :)
01:50.49CutMeOwnThroatthings will start complaining pretty soon, but.. .yes
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01:51.48CutMeOwnThroatmikegriffin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOjmvWPRvQ
01:52.00CutMeOwnThroatwatch the kitten...
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01:52.39snarkyFishmikegriffin: i don't see anything in there but it starting something called 'cups'
01:52.49mikegriffinsnarkyFish: that is printing services
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01:52.55mikegriffinlook for an init script
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01:53.43snarkyFishknoppix has a stack of em in init.d.. and i've browsed.. but i don't know what i'd look for.  I grepped for a snippet of the text of the prompt and came up with nothing.
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02:02.29abrotmansnarkyFish: please try #knoppix or ##linux
02:03.26BubbaTIs there a command similar to apt-get build-dep that shows what packages are needed to build a package, but one that doesn't actually install the packages?
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02:05.51\amethystBubbaT:  apt-rdepends -b package   or   apt-get -s build-dep package
02:07.30CutMeOwnThroat\amethyst, hope my excessive use of exclamation marks up there could express my excitement of knowing everything there is to know about the installer now :-P
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02:32.05hikenboothave the following apt-archive batch script for creating a local deb repository with corresponding failed output anyone able to tell me why?http://pastebin.ca/1505211
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02:35.15mikegriffinCutMeOwnThroat: dd is in the default initrd, i think having init rung while true; do dd if=/dev/zero should be nice
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02:36.02nick108test
02:36.24mikegriffinnick108: success
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02:38.57hikenboothave the following apt-archive batch script for creating a local deb repository with corresponding failed output anyone able to tell me why?http://pastebin.ca/1505211
02:39.56runixWhen I try to start X with a specified config, I get an error stating that it is not possible to open /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or move Xorg.0.log.old  -- Is there some weird stuff going on under the hood since I can't use 'startx -- -config someconfig.conf', but startx works fine without the -config option eventhough it is the same configfile.
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02:42.43CutMeOwnThroatmikegriffin, the programs apt-cache finds you will do multiple wipes... once can be recovered (if anyone cares enough)
02:43.55mikegriffinthat would be the while loops job, no?
02:44.11mikegriffinon the bright side, i am learning more about the initrd
02:44.12unitypunkugh
02:44.23CutMeOwnThroator are you talking about something else now
02:44.25CutMeOwnThroatseems so
02:44.30mikegriffinnope, same goal
02:44.38unitypunkhowcome i cant see my samba shares online?
02:44.41mikegriffinanyway, thanks
02:44.44unitypunki opened the port
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02:44.50unitypunkin my firewall
02:44.57mikegriffinunitypunk: tried dmz?
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02:45.04unitypunkhmm
02:45.14mikegriffinthat would rule out the firewall
02:45.30CutMeOwnThroat"apt-cache show wipe"?
02:45.40mikegriffinunitypunk: could be an acl perhaps? tcpwrappers, i dunno, are there errors on the client or server logs?
02:45.52unitypunki doubt it
02:46.23CutMeOwnThroatunitypunk, sun spots
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02:46.29unitypunklol
02:46.42mikegriffinperhaps a result of Magnetic Force Microscopy
02:46.45CutMeOwnThroatwell, with the amount of information you provide my guess is as good as any
02:46.59CutMeOwnThroatso I'm for sun spots as the causative agent
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02:47.12unitypunksetting it as dmz worked.
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02:47.29mikegriffinunitypunk: it was a firewall problem
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02:47.41CutMeOwnThroatwhat's initrd got to do with wiping a file?
02:47.47CutMeOwnThroaterr, disk
02:47.49unitypunki have port 139 open
02:47.54unitypunkand fowarded to the right ip
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02:48.43skeletalguys, i would like download the DEBIAN ISO for install it here.  I'm at Debian website , but in the FTP show 31 ISOs for download.
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02:48.50skeletalwhat can I do then?
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02:49.33abrotmanjust get the netinst
02:49.39skeletalhave I download all 31 IOS there?
02:49.45Arrowmasterno you only need the first one
02:50.02abrotmanget the netinst (about 160MB) .. and get the rest of the packages from the intarweb
02:50.40skeletalhere you are http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/
02:50.57skeletalso guys, please, could you say to me what i can get then?
02:51.13abrotmanskeletal: at the bottom there is a netinst ISO .. use that
02:51.48skeletalabrotman  hmmm  I found here.
02:51.51skeletaldebian-502-i386-netinst.iso    ??
02:51.54abrotmanyes
02:51.57skeletalgreat.
02:52.14abrotmanthat will give you a minimal (CLI) installation  at least .. you can isntall other things you want from there
02:52.17skeletalbut, i don't know what mean "netinst"...
02:52.59abrotman!netinst
02:53.00dpkghmm... netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>.  If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>.  See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
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02:53.24Trampunitypunk: from what I remember it should bei either 445/tcp (ms direct shares) or 137 and 139/udp (and maybe even tcp). But probably #windows (or ##networking or even #samba, if that exists) may know better
02:53.34nick108test
02:53.57unitypunkso i need 445 for it to work windows>samba
02:54.43Trampunitypunk: all I know for sure is that 139/tcp alone won't get you very far for that weird protocol
02:55.03abrotmannick108: stop already
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02:55.58skeletalokay friends, but can I install my debian with um debian-502-i386-netinst.iso  without internet connection??? can I do it?  it work?
02:56.01Trampunitypunk: there indeed is a #samba, but what you are asking sounds like an FAQ to me anyways
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02:56.21abrotmanskeletal: you'll get a minimal system, just the CLI interface ..
02:56.28abrotmanskeletal: what's wrong with your internet ?
02:56.36unitypunkyeah
02:57.25tawananyone recognise me as the guy who killed sudo and got laughed at? :D Well my solution was more amusing/noob than you may imagine. I booted to Mint and did the su chmod from there :)
02:58.12tawan..all good now :)  Learning Debian is nice but I need a soft cussion to fall back on.
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03:06.35DanDarewhat´s the debian channel for offtopic talk ?
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03:07.26abrotmanDanDare: /topic
03:07.51DanDareoh yeh, thanks....
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03:54.40jackarutuI've just installed 5.0.2 and after all the install steps I get the error "No operating system found" However, all the files were installed on the system drive and the grub was written to the MBR. My gut feeling is this is a problem wiht the RAID drive which is a sil 4723 hardware raid which I found very little info on.
03:56.28jackarutuif anyone has suggestion on how to resolve this problem?
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04:02.24jpinx-eeepcI'm getting an error when I plug in a USB external ide HDD device - http://pastebin.com/d23d93a57 Anyone able to tell me where to find the solution?
04:03.04CutMeOwnThroatask datase?
04:03.38CutMeOwnThroat"get a new stick"
04:03.51CutMeOwnThroator disk, as maybe
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04:04.40jpinx-eeepcit happens with all 3 hdd's all of which work perfectly when installed in the laptop
04:04.48smacnayHow does one refresh an fstab so that nfs servers will now be read?
04:04.57jackarutuIf the install can find the drive to write it what can stop the boot?
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04:06.06jpinx-eeepcCutMeOwnThroat: and it happens with 2 separate external hdd enclosures
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04:10.26CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't help you if it's the disk itself
04:11.37CutMeOwnThroatjackarutu, but you're sure it's a real hardware raid?
04:12.39jackarutusil 4720 claims it is so in their docs
04:13.02jackarutuit works fine for MS products
04:14.06jackarutuit names the partisions sda1-sda9
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04:15.25CutMeOwnThroatso it's transparent?
04:15.33jackarutuAs with all SteelVine architecture based solutions, the SiI 4723 does not require special drivers, BIOS settings, or RAID software on the host and is completely operating system independent.
04:15.56CutMeOwnThroatsounds like transparent
04:16.26CutMeOwnThroathm
04:16.29CutMeOwnThroatNo operating system found ...
04:16.39CutMeOwnThroatdoes that mean it did find the kernel, but the kernel found no disk
04:16.41jackarutumy biso is kind of werid on how it names the drive
04:16.52jackarutuit calles it a 4m external drive
04:16.57CutMeOwnThroateh
04:17.07CutMeOwnThroat"No operating system found" isn't a grub  error
04:17.21CutMeOwnThroathttps://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=No+operating+system+found
04:17.44CutMeOwnThroatthat sounds like something a DOS MBR would print
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04:18.01CutMeOwnThroatso you installed grub not into sda, but into sda1?
04:18.15jackarutuyes
04:18.22CutMeOwnThroatdid you set the boot flag?
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04:18.49jackarutuafter I first hard this problem I went back in using resque mode
04:18.58jackarutuand manual put it in sda1
04:19.08CutMeOwnThroatdid you set the boot flag on sda1?
04:19.28jackarutusince I don't know what that is I would say no I didn't
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04:20.14jackarutuI don't recall the install or the reinstall grub asking about that
04:20.35CutMeOwnThroatboot into ... some linux which has cfdisk ... cfdisk /dev/sda , hit 'b' on the sda1, then 'W' to save
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04:21.07CutMeOwnThroatand type 'yes' :)
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04:21.24jackarutuwould thsoe files be in the amd64 dvd
04:21.36CutMeOwnThroatdos mbr looks for a partition with a boot flag set and boots whatever it finds in the bootsector of that
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04:22.13CutMeOwnThroatyou should have just installed into the MBR...
04:22.22CutMeOwnThroatI don't see an advantage of bootsector vs mbr
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04:22.41jackarutuI'll go back and redo it
04:23.13jackarutuand see if different results
04:23.17CutMeOwnThroat!rescue mode
04:23.18dpkgDebian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders.  See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.  Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto
04:23.42CutMeOwnThroatyou can also set the boot flag with simple fdisk... or with gparted
04:24.06CutMeOwnThroatif you just boot into the install disk like you'd install another time, I'm quite sure gparted which allows you to partition
04:24.11CutMeOwnThroatwill also be able to set it
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04:24.17CutMeOwnThroatweird, that that shouldn't have happened
04:24.38CutMeOwnThroatbut... well, from what you said until now sounds like it
04:25.25CutMeOwnThroat!install guide
04:25.25dpkgThe Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual .  See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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04:26.29CutMeOwnThroatok, seems like rescue mode lets you boot into your own system...
04:26.45CutMeOwnThroatwhich should either have cfdisk installed, or you can install it
04:29.06jackarutuwen you go in thru rescue mode you get a different set of options on the grub then the installs offeres
04:29.15jackarutuit is expect /dev/?
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04:29.49jackarutuno options of tell it MBR
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04:30.03jackarutuas the orignal install did
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04:31.22CutMeOwnThroatyou just select the partition to boot from, I'd say
04:31.36CutMeOwnThroatit's not installing or anything
04:31.44CutMeOwnThroatit'll drop you into your installed system
04:31.52jackarutuso the mbr would be /dev/sda
04:32.09CutMeOwnThroat1st just set the boot flag, reboot
04:32.10CutMeOwnThroatand see
04:32.38jackarutuokay I can't seem to find apt-get to help install cfdisk
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04:32.48jackarutushoudl cfdisk be on the install DVD
04:33.02CutMeOwnThroatdunno
04:33.22jackarutuI've got a bunch of tools
04:33.35jackarutuwould some other partision tool work?
04:33.40CutMeOwnThroatsure
04:33.50jackarutugparted?
04:33.50CutMeOwnThroatany one should...
04:33.54CutMeOwnThroatguess so
04:35.10jackarutuokay I found this Gnome Partition editor and Gparted live combo
04:35.20jackarutuI'll go give that a whril
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04:35.46CutMeOwnThroatin gparted... right-click, "manage flags"
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04:44.56jackarutuCutMeOwnThroat gparts claims dec/sda1 is ext3 and has boot flag set to 1 or yes
04:45.18jackarutumy bad dev/sda1 I ment
04:45.48jackarutuI notice there are serval flags that can be set including RAID
04:46.06CutMeOwnThroatyeah, in gparted
04:46.13CutMeOwnThroatforget about those, I'd say
04:46.23CutMeOwnThroatnever seen them outside gparted
04:46.29harkboot flag is not needed
04:46.40CutMeOwnThroatit is if you got a dos mbr
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04:47.19jackarutuso where is it I need to set this flag you were telling me about
04:47.27jackarutunow that I'm in gparted
04:47.31harkCutMeOwnThroat: what dos mbr?
04:47.50jackarutuI don't have any dos partisions
04:48.10jackarutujust ext3 extened and share
04:48.15CutMeOwnThroathow many dos mbr are there?
04:48.26harkgrub/lilo etc all ignore the boot flag afaik
04:48.28jackarutuI don't see anything dos
04:48.34CutMeOwnThroatyes, but he put grub in sda1
04:49.22harkwait, let me look at the lastlog
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04:51.06jackarutuI wonder if I made a mistake taking the install option that blew our 9 partisions on the system drive?
04:51.19jackarutublew out 9
04:51.24jackarutumade 9
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04:52.14jackarutumaybe I should reinstall and just go wiht option 2 which is the standard 3 partisions
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04:55.01CutMeOwnThroatI ususally prefer less partitions
04:55.20CutMeOwnThroatseparate home, swap of course and /
04:55.28jackarutuyes I just lost my mind
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04:55.40CutMeOwnThroatelse one runs out of space and you get into problems
04:55.41klikklakhi, I updated a translation of wordpress with poedit.  I did most of it and saved and it did something, and now the unfinished translations don't show in it anymore.  what can I do?
04:55.55CutMeOwnThroatlvm supposedly solves that, but... I dunno - it's another layer of obscurity
04:56.11enoufLinux don't need no stinkin boot flag active
04:56.21CutMeOwnThroatthe dos mbr does
04:56.23CutMeOwnThroat*sigh*
04:56.33enoufwho cares about dos?
04:56.46CutMeOwnThroatI didn't say dos, but dos mbr
04:56.54CutMeOwnThroator windows mbr
04:56.58CutMeOwnThroator what you want to call it
04:56.59enoufthat's like saying "Spacemen need oxygen"
04:57.03CutMeOwnThroat"default mbr"
04:57.15CutMeOwnThroatwell, they do
04:57.20CutMeOwnThroatall men do, actually
04:57.21enoufLinux don't need no stinkin MBR
04:57.28CutMeOwnThroat*sigh*
04:57.44CutMeOwnThroatanyway, it wasn't that, so you can drop it
04:57.53enoufLinux don't need no stinkin MBR, nor DOS, nor DOS MBR
04:57.58enoufsighs
04:58.00CutMeOwnThroatjackarutu, still sounds to me as if you never make it into grub for some reason
04:58.02jackarutuOkay this will take awhile but I'm going back and reinstall this time use only 3 partision and when I get to add grub to mbr I say yes?
04:58.19CutMeOwnThroatyeah
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04:58.46CutMeOwnThroatenouf, actually it DOES need an MBR
04:58.50enoufGrub legacy - OTOH - that's a separate issue
04:58.53CutMeOwnThroatand normally it's grub
04:59.02jackarutuokay I answered the yes the first time around but who knows
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04:59.03enoufCutMeOwnThroat: no, it doesn't
04:59.13CutMeOwnThroatwhat's booting it, then?
04:59.23enoufwhat's booting what?
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05:00.03ajavidffs.
05:00.44asdfsadfI'm having a problem -- http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/getting-grub-error-17-after-a-dual-boot-winxp-debian-installation-742379/ -- I'd greatly appreciate if anyone can look over it and give me some hints
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05:01.48CutMeOwnThroat!grub error 17
05:01.48dpkgFor grub error 17, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml
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05:03.25pl4yer0neasdfsadf, <dpkg> For grub error 17, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml
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05:04.04enoufBytes 511 and 512 need to be 55 AA (boot flag, and NOTHING to do with boot sectors nor partitions, and the Linux kernel doesn't even look for it, much less care) for a DOS Partition style table to boot - but that's not a rule - DOS partition tables are not all there are out there
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05:04.08enouf!grub errors
05:04.09dpkghmm... grub.errors is grub error X? go to  http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means
05:04.30enouffuck that gentoo wiki, it sucks in this situation
05:04.47CutMeOwnThroatenouf, I never spoke of the fucking linux kernel, as that was never found
05:04.55enoufwonderful
05:05.20CutMeOwnThroatand I don't think grub was found either, as he got "no operating system found" which is what the MBR normally prints, iirc
05:05.26enoufthe fix your fucken bootloader :-P
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05:05.31CutMeOwnThroatwhich you'd know had you bothered with your backlog
05:05.39CutMeOwnThroatand you're already #2
05:05.42enouftoo much cruft
05:05.46CutMeOwnThroatwhich is why I'm a bit annoyed
05:05.54CutMeOwnThroatand prone to cite Nuhr
05:05.56jackarutuokay
05:05.59enoufpo' baby ;-)
05:06.15jackarutuist doing the new parting
05:06.26asdfsadf(00:04:30)  enouf:  fuck that gentoo wiki, it sucks in this situation <-- was that to me, in reference to the link previously suggested?
05:07.21CutMeOwnThroatwell, the fuck sucking gentoo wiki says error 17 translates into filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 - Error 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
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05:08.14CutMeOwnThroatso either you got the wrong partition, or you got it partitioned with an FS that can't be mounted because the driver isn't loaded from initramfs
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05:08.27CutMeOwnThroat... or so I'd read it
05:09.20enoufasdfsadf: i just recall it not being useful for exact errors ... might've been a different error NN, but last time, it was off
05:09.51CutMeOwnThroathda3 should translate into hd(0,2)
05:10.02enoufNOT in grub2
05:10.21CutMeOwnThroatargh... there's grub2 now, too
05:10.30enouf!grub2
05:10.30dpkgGNU GRUB version 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GRUB version 0.9x).  In development, not recommended for production systems, little documentation at present.  Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version).  http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html.  Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList .  See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition  #grub on irc.freenode.net.
05:10.37harkCutMeOwnThroat: there's no dos mbr involved there, at least from the lastlog
05:11.19CutMeOwnThroathark, if he's installing into sda1, the mbr will not be touched - and will contain whatever was in there before... no?
05:11.32harki am not sure but if there's no bootloader, maybe the bios uses the boot flag to locate the partition with bootloader
05:11.41CutMeOwnThroatwhich I call, perhaps incorrectly "dos mbr"
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05:12.00harkah, that confused me ;)
05:12.05enoufI'm not sure -- but -- the typical "no operating system found" is a construct of stupid MS Volume markers within a DOS MBR that fail to find floppy drive INT13h / 21 / etc BIOS software interrupts
05:12.15CutMeOwnThroatbecause it's still the same crap since DOS times, iirc
05:12.24CutMeOwnThroatright
05:12.36asdfsadfby the way, I don't think I got the wrong partition -- doing "fdisk /dev/hda" and then entering X F W (as suggested here: http://stringofthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/grub-error-17-debianubuntu/ ) gave me something like "nothing to do, ordering is correct already"
05:12.41CutMeOwnThroatwhich is why I thought the boot flag migh simply not be set on the partition containing grub
05:12.44CutMeOwnThroatbut it WAS set
05:12.54CutMeOwnThroatso I dunno why it wasn't loaded
05:13.08harkwhy doesn't he just install grub to the mbr?
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05:13.17asdfsadfI did install grub to the mbr
05:13.21CutMeOwnThroathe does it now... and repartitions on the way
05:13.28harkasdfsadf: not you ;)
05:13.29CutMeOwnThroatnot you, the other chap
05:13.35enoufwrong MBR - heh
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05:13.43CutMeOwnThroatwe've got lots of grubby people here right now
05:13.52CutMeOwnThroat(note the canny word joke)
05:13.55asdfsadfhark: holy crap, was most of this talk directed to someone else? I thought it was all for me
05:14.01jackarutuokay CutMeOwnThroat THis time thru I see where it is going wrong I just noticed that when I tell it to install the grub on the MRb is qucikly flashes on the screen that it is installng it on hd0 which I think is a data ide drive attached to the system
05:14.12jackarutuwhy would it al of a sudden switch drives
05:14.18enoufasdfsadf: MBRs do NOT exist on DOS style partitions
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05:14.31CutMeOwnThroatjackarutu, hahah... well, that's also an explanation
05:15.16jackarutuI guess I could unplug the ide drive
05:15.19jackarutuand redo
05:15.24enoufasdfsadf: however - MS and perhaps IBM and other idiots have managed to make Logical Volumes seem like there is an Extended MBR (or xMBR)
05:16.05enoufasdfsadf: there is one MBR per disk -- that's it .. if talking about DOS style partitioning schemes
05:16.21jackarutuCutMeOwnThroat from the rescue what is the syntax to boot the OS on the system drive
05:16.40enoufasdfsadf: and it occupies the 1st 512 bytes, that's all
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05:17.17CutMeOwnThroatjust "rescue" on the boot: prompt?
05:17.17CutMeOwnThroatlook in the installation guide
05:17.21jackarutukk
05:17.26digitshey all
05:17.44asdfsadfenouf: so, what exactly are my options right now? :x
05:17.46enouf!rescue mode
05:17.46dpkgDebian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders.  See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.  Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto
05:17.48CutMeOwnThroatjackarutu, I let dpkg print the url/section up there... just scroll up a bit :)
05:17.54CutMeOwnThroatwell, or like that
05:18.10enoufasdfsadf: i'm not even sure whom i'm yelling at! atm
05:18.14CutMeOwnThroatbut we already went through all that
05:18.27enoufnor .. who's got what issues
05:18.32asdfsadfenouf: for clarity, here's a post describing my situation: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/getting-grub-error-17-after-a-dual-boot-winxp-debian-installation-742379/
05:19.02enoufasdfsadf: google hermanzone ubuntu XP dual boot
05:19.04jercI have a problem with a lightbox I got resize the images of my lightbox in the css but the lightbox have other size.
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05:20.14enoufhttp://members.iinet.net.au/%7Eherman546/p15.html
05:20.32digitsI am a total Linux n00b, but is there a working backports repository of Debian (Lenny packages built for etch) for a Xandros distro?
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05:21.15CutMeOwnThroat!Xandros
05:21.16dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/, or #xandros @ irc.freenode.net
05:21.35CutMeOwnThroatwhy would that want a debian repository
05:21.35digitsheh
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05:21.53digitsthat's what I have on my eee pc
05:22.04enoufasdfsadf: sorry - i have some business going on here, and i felt like yelling at CutMeOwnThroat  - so i won't be of much more use atm
05:22.16CutMeOwnThroatfine, I felt like yelling at you
05:22.26CutMeOwnThroatI also feel, I had more justification
05:22.31CutMeOwnThroatruns away yelling
05:22.38enoufas long as it's mutual ;-)
05:22.51digitsCutMeOwnThroat, are you directing me to #xandros?
05:22.53asdfsadfenouf: okay, no biggie, I'll try doing some reading on hermanzone page
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05:23.03CutMeOwnThroatdigits, what does it look like? :)
05:23.08digits:(
05:23.35digitsok, I'll try there...
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05:24.09CutMeOwnThroatI can only point  you to
05:24.13CutMeOwnThroat!backports
05:24.13dpkgit has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
05:24.25CutMeOwnThroatwhich would help you would you run Debian
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05:24.37CutMeOwnThroat*shrug*
05:24.45digits?
05:24.59CutMeOwnThroatbut you don't, so I guess it doesn't
05:25.39digitsCutMeOwnThroat, is there a backports related channel?
05:25.48CutMeOwnThroatno
05:26.06digitsbecause the xandros channel you linked me to has only one other person :(
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05:27.17CutMeOwnThroatwell, we dun't know nuffin about xandros
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05:27.23CutMeOwnThroatI never even heard about it before
05:27.33digitslol
05:28.10asdfgwhat is going on, the netinstall page is displaying garbage, not in English!
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05:28.41CutMeOwnThroaterr...
05:28.44CutMeOwnThroat"wear glasses"?
05:29.00digitswell is there a backport Debian repository (Lenny packages buiit for etch) that works at all?
05:29.12CutMeOwnThroatyes...
05:29.15CutMeOwnThroat!backports.org
05:29.15dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions.  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free.  Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update.  See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
05:29.17asdfgcan someone visit the netinstall page and confirm what i have said?
05:29.26CutMeOwnThroatI just did
05:29.27CutMeOwnThroatlooks ok
05:29.58asdfgwhy is it showing garbage on my screen?
05:30.29CutMeOwnThroatlooks at his hands... he looks at his feet... no holes, no moss...
05:30.44CutMeOwnThroatyour browser got a weird language preference?
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05:30.58CutMeOwnThroatyou didn't look at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/?
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05:32.21CutMeOwnThroathttp://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html, respectively
05:32.29asdfgits http://www.debian.org/distrib.nesinst. a pop-up window suggests i install Chinese simplified!
05:33.19asdfgsorry should be its http://www.debian.org/distrib/nesins
05:33.25asdfgnetinst
05:33.27CutMeOwnThroatnesins?
05:33.58CutMeOwnThroathttp://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst.en.html
05:34.11CutMeOwnThroatyour browser has a language preference
05:34.20CutMeOwnThroathow about you click on the language selection on the bottom
05:34.25CutMeOwnThroatthat overrides it
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05:35.17asdfgusing window, no such option.
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05:36.01CutMeOwnThroatbottom of the webpage
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05:36.24CutMeOwnThroatmy
05:36.40asdfgCutMeOwnThroat, ok, got you. thks.
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05:37.09asdfggot to do some installation. bye.
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05:37.20visofwhat should i install to can use C API for mysql ?
05:37.28visofwhich package ?
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05:40.01CutMeOwnThroatsearch with apt-cache search mysql |grep -i ' c '  ?
05:40.19enoufCutMeOwnThroat: wait .. NeverEndingStory reference? ..
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05:40.25jackarutuCutMeOwnThroat, I want to thank yo for yor help: I disconnect the ide drive and reinstalled once again and I'm now setting @ intel@debian $
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05:40.46CutMeOwnThroat!confetti jackarutu
05:40.46dpkgthrows loads and loads of confetti all over jackarutu and shouts "Hooray!".
05:40.56enoufyour IDE drive, or Cable, or BIOS is fubared
05:41.13enouf(or it's jumper settings)
05:42.04CutMeOwnThroatneither
05:42.04jackarutuI think ASUS bios,s are not nux friendly
05:42.04enoufd) all of the above
05:42.04CutMeOwnThroatit's just some guy who didn't read the intervening lines
05:42.04CutMeOwnThroatwaits for the yelling
05:42.04visofi found sqlrelay-dev , is it ?
05:42.05enoufnothing inherently wrong with Asus
05:42.27CutMeOwnThroatvisof, not sure... read apt-cache show  sqlrelay-dev and decide from that
05:42.31enoufintervenes and interjects ,,, and ,,, oh nm :-P
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05:43.16CutMeOwnThroatvisof, I think it's something else, but I don't see anything else
05:43.28visofyeah
05:43.44CutMeOwnThroatvisof, oh, try apt-cache search mysql |grep -i binding
05:43.46enoufask in ##c
05:43.47visofanother thing i can't find gtk+ and glib , glib-dev
05:43.54enoufhave fun with the Dr
05:44.03asdfsadfcould someone please check the latest edit on this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/getting-grub-error-17-after-a-dual-boot-winxp-debian-installation-742379/ (not doing a paste - it'd be a lot)
05:44.08enoufvisof: libc6
05:44.14asdfsadfand suggest, if I should put the two drives back in again?
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05:44.35jackarutuASUS can't decide what to name the system drive: in the BIOS at the Inteface it's called External Drive 0; in the boot order it's called HDD: 4M-External Di the Partioning part of debain calles it SCSI2 (0,0,0) and running grub calles it hd0
05:44.47visofCutMeOwnThroat i found for c++ and oCaml
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05:44.54visofis C++ one working for C ?
05:45.10visofand kaya too
05:45.57enouf!elibc6
05:46.10enoufor something - heh
05:46.23CutMeOwnThroatvisof, I cherish my ignorance on that :)
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05:46.56dpkgi guess eglibc is the new <libc> in Debian, see http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00175.html
05:47.22CutMeOwnThroatvisof, also look at libmysqlclient15-dev
05:47.41CutMeOwnThroat"This package includes development libraries and header files."
05:48.08enoufjackarutu: "in the boot order it's called HDD:" <== er HDD == Hard Disk Drive .. or is there also a HDC, and HDB etc?
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05:48.20CutMeOwnThroatapt-cache search ^libmysql gives you that
05:48.39enoufuse --names-only :-P
05:49.00CutMeOwnThroat^ is easier to type
05:49.08enoufpoint
05:49.11CutMeOwnThroatshorter, definitely
05:49.14jackarutuenouf there was an WD1200 but I had to disconnect it
05:49.25enoufhowever, it doesn't work as expected all the time
05:49.39CutMeOwnThroatwell, did what I expected
05:49.40enoufjackarutu: what an answer
05:49.44CutMeOwnThroatdepends on your expectations :)
05:49.54enoufCutMeOwnThroat: keep using it then .. have fun ;-)
05:49.58jackarutubefore I tored to disconnect I first disabled it's interface but grub and partisioing manager still found it until I pulled the cable
05:50.40enoufjackarutu: ok ... whatever - good to have you running debian ... i guess ;-)
05:50.49jackarutuyes now what
05:50.55CutMeOwnThroattime for a nice long walk home, I guess
05:51.04enoufinstall Windows and Dual Boot for more fun
05:51.06CutMeOwnThroatnighty night and toodeloo
05:51.09jackarutuI guess ssh so I can to to my work station and then start the lamp stack
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05:51.39enoufCutMeOwnThroat: careful with that axe eugene
05:51.55ajavidpick up
05:51.58CutMeOwnThroatwell, I can only CutMeOwnThroat
05:52.52jackarutuenouf I've had it with windoze they lie they told me they now have an sftp server for server 2008 but when I installed it turns out it was ftp with ssl not sftp
05:53.22nsadminjackarutu: consider postgres perl python
05:53.28nsadminmaybe even scheme
05:54.04nsadminsomeone earlier had a compliment for php... he said it was turing-complete...
05:54.10jackarutuofcourse everyone says why not install ssh windows but why fake it when you can use the real thing?
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05:54.35nsadminfake? it's not fake if it's doing the job
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05:55.03nsadminhowever... you'll find linux/unix to be a better fit if you're doing a lot of coding
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05:55.23nsadminonce you get used to it that is
05:55.41jackarutunsadmin do you knwo how many shops are runing server 2008 then adding VMS so they can then run Centros? crasy
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05:56.42nsadminif you have (say) an amd64 maybe with multiple cores, you can run xen and it will try to use the hardware virtualization
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05:57.15jackarutuwell this dual exon is going to run debian
05:57.27nsadminwhich you can try xen on
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05:58.02asdfsadfI'm on a live disc currently -- I see the path of a file I'm tring to cat in konqueror of my debian partition as being media:/hda3/boot/somefile -- how would I cat it in term? what would the path translate to? (from media:/hda3/boot/somefile)
05:58.18nsadminor not... let's just say it's ready when you are
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05:59.38jackarutunsadmin my first job is a big ass sftp server that can handle 16 1T drives full of video for the news dept editor
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06:00.44nsadminjackarutu: three words: REAL, hardware, raid
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06:01.15asdfsadfman, xclip should be included in all live distros - makes pasting logs and such and such on patebins and other things a whole lot easier
06:01.18jackarutuI'm using Adaptec31205
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06:02.00jackarutufor the video storage
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06:04.12digitsman
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06:05.03digitsthose Debian backports instructions were awesomely easy, but the packages I want to update are not there :(
06:06.44craigevilso backport it from sid
06:06.55craigevil!tell digits  about ssb
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06:08.08digitscraigevil, will that hose a Xandros disto system?
06:08.20craigevilno clue
06:08.20digits(and thanks for responding :) )
06:08.25digitsheh
06:08.40digitswhat is sid?
06:08.42craigevilwhat are you running xandros on?
06:08.48digitseee pc
06:08.53craigevilif its a eeepc debian works prefectly
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06:09.35digitsyeah, but I am still running the Xandros distro with Debian repositories
06:10.04craigevili ran xandros for 2 days on my eee then installed debian
06:10.12digitslol
06:10.20digitsthat's what everyone says
06:10.39craigevilon my 701 with a 4gb ssd debian only took up 1.4gb compared to the whole thing with xandros
06:10.45nsadminwhy do everyone say that?
06:11.02jackarutuanyone have a good link to how to set up online sources so it stops asking me for the dvd when I go to install something?
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06:11.15g00seActually quite a few use Ubuntu Remix
06:11.23craigeviljackarutu:  comment out the dvd lines
06:11.34g00se(in sources.list)
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06:11.40craigevileeewww ubuntu no thanks
06:11.45jackarutuah
06:11.45digitsg00se, you have an eeepc??
06:11.49jackarututhanks
06:11.53nsadminjackarutu man 5 sources.list and it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
06:11.53maddashdo vanilla firefox setups run for you guys?
06:12.07g00sedigits: No but i was thinking of getting one
06:12.10craigevilmaddash:  i run firefox works just fine
06:12.12digitsah ok
06:12.20nsadminonly strawberry banana work for me
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06:12.31maddashcraigevil: what version firefox?
06:12.35craigevilMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090715 Firefox/3.5.1
06:12.45digitsdoes anyone here know anything about Xandros?
06:13.00maddashcraigevil: so you downloaded the .tar.bz2 from the mozilla site and invoke "./firefox"?
06:13.01jackarutunsadmin other than that is the sources listed what every one uses I know on ubuntu everyone is always tweek with the sources
06:13.08craigevildigits:  other than its crap and is based off old stable nope :)
06:13.10maddashcraigevil: or is it installed from apt?
06:13.11g00sedigits: Yeah it sucks
06:13.14digitshaha
06:13.19digitsyes I see that now
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06:13.35g00sedigits: It's non-free
06:13.39craigevilmaddash:  i have both iceweasel  3.5.1 and firefox 3.5.1
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06:13.58maddashcraigevil: what the fuck? how'd you get iceweasel 3.5.1?
06:14.06craigevilits in exp
06:14.14maddashholy crap
06:14.20maddashwhen did this happen?
06:14.22digitsbut is there way to not hose my eee pc Xandros system and update my Debian repositories, in order to update vlc player?
06:14.26maddashsweet
06:14.30maddashcraigevil: thanks
06:14.30craigevili386 yesterday
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06:14.39nsadminjackarutu: not sure where the comma goes...
06:14.51maddashcraigevil: for some really fucking ANNOYING reason, the binaries downloaded from mozilla's site don't work
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06:15.21maddashcraigevil: invoking "./firefox" just leaves a blank terminal, until i hit ctrl+c
06:15.22mrtn1231what is te best CD/DVD/BD info utility under Linux? I mean something similar to Nero info tool?
06:15.26craigevilmaddash:  i just untar it in my /home symlink the plugins and created a Firefox.desktop
06:15.35nsadminthey should probably work... or maybe you need some particular version of libs... or of some other package...
06:15.44nsadmincan you smell the can of worms?
06:15.47digitsg00se, but is there way to not hose my eee pc Xandros system and update my Debian repositories, in order to update vlc player?
06:15.54g00sedigits: I think you might come unstuck at some point with this strategy
06:16.06maddashcraigevil: cat /proc/version
06:16.09digitshuh
06:16.11digits?
06:16.24g00sedigits: Why are you hanging on to Xandros?
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06:16.38digitsg00se, 2GB SSD
06:16.48craigevilmaddash:  i run sid with a liquorix kernel
06:16.56digitscan't hardly deal with much else
06:17.11craigevilmaddash:  Linux version 2.6.30-2.dmz.5-liquorix-686 (Debian 2.6.30-29) (damentz@gmail.com) (gcc version 4.4.0 (Debian 4.4.0-11) ) #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 22 05:59:36 UTC 2009
06:17.16digitsplus, I just would like to update vlc player
06:17.17maddashcraigevil: how's the stability on sid?
06:17.20digitsthat's all
06:17.32craigevilmaddash:  its all i have ever ran for the past 5 years
06:17.40digitsI am a Linux n00b, and don't want to do anything fancy
06:17.55g00sedigits: Well the same packages probably aren't going to be any larger in Debian ;-)
06:18.11craigevilsmaller xandros uses unionfs
06:18.17g00sedigits: You've still got the restore disk?
06:18.22digitsyes
06:18.27JJOliverg00se: do you ever sleep?
06:19.02g00seJJOliver: Well i got up quite early today 06:00 ;-)
06:19.13JJOliverg00se: (-:P
06:20.00digitsso what is the safest way to update vlc player?
06:20.12craigevilmaddash:  if you can handle the ocassional package that breaks sid is fine, it probably helps that I don't run kde4 or gnome
06:20.21jackarutuokay I'm making some headway got me ssh running and remote connect and now managed to get my side kick mc installed off the net
06:20.26jackarututhis is fun
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06:20.48g00sedigits: Can't say with the unholy mix you've got
06:20.55digitsLOL
06:20.58maddashcraigevil: neither do I. too much crud.
06:21.11maddashcraigevil: 'occasional package break'? like how?
06:21.25maddashcraigevil: I usually ar x .debs and tweak their control files, anyway
06:22.02craigevilmaddash:  i have had 2 things break in 5 yrs, one time a package broke dvd sound and the new xorg needed to be tweaked
06:22.05digitsI added etch-backports to the sources.list, but it says that the programs are the latest version :(
06:22.12g00secraigevil: Thanks - didn't know that
06:22.51maddashI really am quite upset that I can't run firefox binaries on my debian box
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06:23.00maddasheven strace is of no use to me
06:23.25craigevildigits:  you have to tell it to install from backports , aptitude -t etch-backports install “package”
06:23.35enoufmrtn1231: likely the stuff in dvd+rw-tools  .. or for bloated GUI, try k3b which is a nice app more or less
06:23.51digitscraigevil, did that as well :)
06:24.20maddashkarsten: hello
06:24.42digitsafter I did an apt-get update
06:24.47maddash[sigh]
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06:25.27g00sedigits: You can't update to a package etch-backports doesn't have. Sounds like you have the one it *does* have
06:26.01g00ses/update/upgrade
06:26.27digitsthat more than likely will hose the system
06:26.44digitsor so I have been told
06:27.03digitsof course I have not seen a command like that before
06:27.17digits<--- Linux n00b
06:27.27g00seWhat command?
06:27.39digitsoh
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06:27.45digitsthat was a correction
06:27.47digitsoops
06:27.48g00seYes
06:27.51digits:P
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06:28.34maddashcan anyone help me with this longstanding annoying-ass problem?
06:28.41digitsso you think that the etch-backports repos does have an updated version of vlc?
06:28.49digitsheh
06:28.54digitspoor maddash
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06:30.09g00sedigits: The answer to that (apart from a new package) will always be yes ;-)
06:30.21digits:D
06:30.36maddashhaha, I just switched my sources.list to point to experiment, and there are 0 upgrades
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06:30.50maddash3.5, here I come!
06:31.12maddashwhoo freakin' sweet
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06:32.02craigevilonly had to upgrade 3 packages here to get iw 3.5.1
06:32.04enoufit's not even close to being a release, nor was it ever supposed to be
06:32.14jhujhitihow can i make a debian box forget about an old nic that has been removed? numbering is starting at eth1 instead of eth0
06:32.37maddashcraigevil: thanks again
06:32.58digitsg00se, how do I make this so, without hosing my Xandros system?
06:32.58enouf!70
06:32.58dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See also <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
06:33.04jackarutuis it safe to use MySQL 5.4 on Debain 5.0.2?
06:33.09tarzeau!debain
06:33.10dpkgDebian!  D-E-B-I-A-N!  The founder of Debian was not named "Ain".  Sheesh!
06:33.24mischief!tell jhujhiti about interfaces
06:33.29jhujhitienouf: thanks
06:33.33digitsand I will never use Xandros again, on my next linux computer
06:33.50mischiefdigits, amen
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06:33.56digitshehe
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06:34.14maddashdebain
06:34.19jackarutudigits  I thought wallmart was going to set the world on fire selling pc with Xandros
06:34.23maddashI'm using lebain squeeze
06:34.27IrishmanlukeI just installed lenny on my destkop today
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06:34.52jercbye every body fuck
06:34.55maddashwhoaaaaaa 3.5 is blazingly faster!! weeeeeeee.
06:35.09maddash*gasp* *gasp* *orgasm*
06:35.15digitswow! I am east coast usa, and my alertness is hanging by a thread
06:35.22tarzeaumaddash: at crashing, yes
06:35.31maddashtarzeau: whaaat?!
06:35.37tarzeaumaddash: 3.5 of what? firefox?
06:36.27maddashtarzeau: yes
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06:36.44digitsg00se, ?
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06:38.02maddashkarsten: holy crap, mafia?
06:38.06g00sedigits: You're not making a lot of sense. If your goal is to get the latest ever version, try building it from source maybe
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06:39.16digitssomeone else suggested that
06:39.39digitsand I don't know what that means or entails
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06:42.02g00sedigits: It means doing things The Old Way - get googling
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06:42.36digitsg00se, well I don't need the latest version ever, I just need a version higher than 0.8.6a
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06:42.55digitsg00se, lol @ get googling
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06:45.00digitswhen I am not finding the answers in Google, I come here (to irc) ;p
06:45.54digitsso my googling has reached it's duration
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06:46.51maddashWHOA PORN MODE
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06:47.45maddashhey wtf where's the preferences window
06:47.59maddashcraigevil: does "Edit > Preferences..." work for you?
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06:48.11digitsI don't know how much longer I can last :(
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06:49.22craigevilmaddash:  yes
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06:50.52digitsoh well
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06:53.14digitswon't....give....up....yet....
06:53.43digitsthere HAS to be a way
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06:54.29maddashhmm, maybe I should upgrade to sid
06:54.47NicoOOoOobjr tous le monde :)
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06:56.43digitsmaddash, is it safe to assume, that you are a debian expert? D
06:56.47digits*:D
06:57.49CargolSSany expert on wget and downloading .asp site
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06:58.04CargolSShow do i bypass robots.txt
06:58.07CargolSS?
06:59.42maddashdigits: somewhat?
06:59.48maddashdigits: what do you need?
06:59.49jmarsdenCargolSS: Try not being a robot?
06:59.49digits:)
07:00.07maddashwhooo 124 upgrades, this is tempting
07:00.29digitsa way to update vlc player
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07:01.22CargolSSjmarsden: how?
07:01.24jmarsdenCargolSS: man wget    and read what it says about the -U option carefully.
07:01.42maddashdigits: download the binaries, if you're lucky, or compile it from source?
07:01.48maddashdigits: I'm assuming you want the latest release
07:02.03digitsapparently I have Debian etch repos installed on my Linux laptop, and I just finshed adding the etch-backports
07:02.07CargolSSjmarsden: thanks
07:02.09digitsmaddash, no
07:02.17digitsnot the latest
07:02.29digitsjust a higher version
07:03.09digitsas my current version is from 2006 O_o
07:03.27Ezephigher version == latest
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07:03.47paissad-hphi guys !
07:03.51maddashdigits: cat /proc/version
07:03.52digitsEzep, I don't believe so
07:04.13maddashdigits: worst case scenario, cmpile from source
07:04.13paissad-hpi would like to install acroread into debian amd64
07:04.19maddashpaissad-hp: no you don't
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07:04.34paissad-hpmaddash, not possible ?
07:04.55maddashpaissad-hp: possible. why acroread?
07:05.14digitscat /proc/version <---what does that command do?
07:05.14paissad-hpi prefer acroread to pkdf or xpdf
07:05.23maddashpaissad-hp: evince
07:05.28maddashpaissad-hp: epdfview
07:05.33asdfg1to create a netinstall cd, i have to download the netinstall.iso and burn it to a cd, rather than extract the files and burn them, right?
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07:05.42paissad-hpmaddash, why no acroread ? :)
07:05.47mischiefasdfg1, right.
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07:06.03craigevilpaissad-hp:  check debian-multimedia.org
07:06.09asdfg1mischief, by your nick, its hard to believe you.
07:06.10maddashpaissad-hp: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/
07:06.11asdfg1lol
07:06.14digitscat /proc/version <---what does that command do, maddash ?
07:06.26mischiefasdfg1, hehe. ;)
07:06.30maddashdigits: kills a kitten
07:06.33digitslol
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07:06.34asdfg1but i'll take a chance.
07:06.39maddashdigits: it tells me what version debian you run
07:06.46digitsok
07:06.50jmarsdendigits: cat concatenates (copies) a file... to stdout by default.  So cat /proc/version copies the file (pseudo-file) /proc/version to stdout, so you can see it.
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07:07.37maddashoh well. not feeling brave enough to upgrade to sid.
07:07.48CargolSSjmarsden: in robots.txt at User Agent: *
07:07.51CargolSS:))
07:08.06thneei want to add the -s flag to my automatic startup of openntpd, where should i do this?
07:08.10asdfg1grub stage1.5 error 22 is about what?
07:08.43digitsmaddash, do I have to be a registered user to send you a PM?
07:09.03maddashdigits: I guessss not
07:09.14maddashdigits: but why would you?
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07:09.15minsaI am booting debian from usb hd, building custom .30 to replace .27 from the apt-get .... however i ran into some problem.. on .27, usb hd is mounted from /dev/sdf  but on .30 it is from /dev/sdb,
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07:09.24minsawhy such changes...
07:09.52woobyhi, i'm installing etch w/ boot floppies and i'm having some troubles with wifi, the wpc11 pcmcia card is connecting to the wrong AP
07:09.59minsaand because of that initramfs created with .27 didn't seem to agree with   /dev/sdb assumed by .30
07:10.00digitswell I was sending my pc info
07:10.13maddashchrist that's hardly private
07:10.18minsaany clue or pointer to literature is appreciated
07:10.18digitsmaddash, haha
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07:10.23maddashok, well, xandros
07:10.32nsadminminsa: look into uuids
07:10.52paissad-hpmaddash, oh, evince is good enough , really good
07:10.54paissad-hpthx
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07:11.10maddashpaissad-hp: no kidding. you're welcome.
07:11.25maddashdigits: is 0.99a-3 "high" enough for you?
07:11.27nsadminalso, if you're running lenny you don't need to build the .30
07:11.29maddashdigits: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vlc
07:11.37paissad-hpmaddash, i was serious,  :)
07:11.40minsansadmin, does that mean.. provide uuids instead of /dev/sdx ?
07:11.50digitsmaddash, that could work
07:11.53nsadmincorrect
07:12.19nsadminare you on your .27 now?
07:12.38g00sethnee: Look in /etc/init.d/openntpd if it exists
07:12.41maddashminsa: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
07:13.04minsayes.... I rebooted to .27...  though I can make it work by going into .30 on fail-safe and mount it manually .. but that's so ugly
07:13.13maddashnsadmin: "also, if you're running lenny you don't need to build the .30" <--- what's the reasoning?
07:13.32nsadminmaddash: it's in backports
07:13.42maddashnsadmin: hah, nice!
07:13.52maddashnsadmin: didn't know that
07:14.37thneeg00se: right, and i am supposed to just modify this script by myself? i thought maybe there was somewhere i could just set some ntpd_flags variable or something..
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07:15.03minsansadmin, forgive my ignorance ..I am on amd64 testing.. is it squeeze or something, right ?
07:15.24g00sethnee: There might not be one. I don't know the package. If there is, it will be referred to in there probably
07:15.32thneeyes there is one
07:15.55thneei was just under the impression that these scripts was supposed to be maintaned automatically, and not edited by hand
07:16.02maddashdigits: I prefer if we discuss on #debian, not over pm.
07:16.08nsadmintesting is squeeze ues
07:16.09digitsok
07:16.13digitssorry
07:16.18nsadmincurrently :)
07:16.34maddashdigits: you said you point your sources to the debian repo, right?
07:16.36minsathnx.. nsadmin and maddash.... I will update my menu.lst and try again..
07:16.38g00sethnee: Where it would be set prior to running that i don't know. In some cases they *would* need to be edited
07:16.47digitsso how do I update to 0.99a-3?
07:16.59maddashdigits: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
07:16.59thneeg00se: allright, thanks i'll modify it
07:16.59digitsyes
07:17.17maddashdigits: are you pointing to lenny, etch, sarge, woody, what?
07:17.22digitsetch
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07:18.19maddashdigits: have you checked out backports?
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07:18.30digitsyes
07:18.31minsais kernel always "whimsical" like this on /dev ? uuid is the only way to prevent it ?   if I want to know more what to read ?
07:18.56maddashminsa: I think it's a udev issue
07:19.14digitsmaddash, but I bet I missed something
07:19.16minsaok...
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07:19.20minsathnx again...
07:19.35maddashdigits: temporarily edit your sources.list to point to squeeze, hit "aptitude update"
07:20.01digitsI am going to paste the cat /etc/apt/sources.list results in a PM
07:20.02maddashminsa: udev is the one that controls how the /dev entries are generated
07:20.15maddashdigits: god no
07:20.17minsaah.. ic..
07:20.21digitslol
07:21.06digitsdeb http://update.eeepc.asus.com/p700 p700 main
07:21.06digitsdeb http://update.eeepc.asus.com/p700/en p700 main
07:21.06digitsdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main non-free contrib
07:21.06digitsdeb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
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07:21.09craigevildigits:  use a pastebin
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07:22.27digitsdid you see the post, before I was kicked?
07:22.28maddashrofl
07:22.34digits?
07:22.34maddashyou were kicked
07:22.34faffidigits: pastebin
07:22.39digitsoh
07:22.39maddashdigits: pastebin.com
07:22.45digitssorry again
07:23.21digitsdid you see the post, before I was kicked?
07:24.29g00sethnee: There might be a better way, but not sure what
07:25.08thneeg00se: the script actually had a DAEMON_OPTS var, but i realized my VPS host doesnt allow me to set the system time.. so i'll have to e-mail them
07:25.32maddashdigits: I saw part of it, but the unposted part might be important too
07:25.38digitsok
07:25.45digitsjust a sec....
07:26.53minsaalright... let there be light..!!!!
07:26.55minsabrb
07:27.00digitshmm
07:27.10digitspastebin is not letting me paste
07:27.18digitsit is calling it spam :(
07:27.30maddashhttp://pastebin.ca/
07:27.38maddash#flood
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07:29.40digitshttp://pastebin.ca/1505500
07:29.50g00sethnee: Yes, i'm not sure what sets that
07:30.36g00sethnee: Probably just the calling script
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07:31.43thneeg00se: mkay, well i set it in the script, and it restarted, and ps now shows it with -s so it works
07:32.06maddashdigits: ok, comment out the backports line. then change "#
07:32.08maddashdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main non-free contrib" to "#
07:32.08maddashdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib". hit aptitude update. then aptitude upgrade vlc.
07:32.37minsalooks like I also have to change the fstab
07:32.56maddashminsa: if you need to automount
07:33.09g00sethnee: Yes, i don't like it though. It could get overwritten too
07:33.14thneemkay
07:33.27minsawhat is another option ?
07:33.35digitsmaddash, squeeze is unstable correct?
07:33.46maddashdigits: no
07:34.01woobyis there a way in the etch installer to force it to 'go to the next step?'
07:34.13digitsI thought there was a way to do it on etch
07:34.16wooby<PROTECTED>
07:34.21digitsis learning
07:34.30maddashdigits: does it matter? no. just make the changes, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade vlc (notice the 'vlc'), then revert to your original sources.list. get in, grab vlc, get out.
07:34.42digitsLOL
07:34.47digitsgot ya
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07:36.13digitsafter I make the changes, can I update vlc by just apt-get install vlc?
07:36.26maddashno
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07:37.07JJOliverhey peeps, i've just reformatted my server, but can't ssh into it because the RSA host key has changed. Is there a way I can force ssh to accept the new key and discard the old one, or do I need to do something more complex?
07:37.25asdfgcannot boot the netinstall.iso cd. what could be wrong?
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07:38.30ignoJJOliver: remove the old host key from ~.ssh/known_hosts
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07:38.52jony123how do i mark a python script as excutibale?
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07:39.12JJOliverthanks.
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07:41.19ignoJJOliver: dunno, I'd delete it.. It makes no use any longer
07:42.32JJOliverigno: thanks. It's working with deleting.
07:43.19asdfgthat 35.4 MB businesscard version is bootable, right?
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07:43.37asdfgof netinstal, that is.
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07:45.09maddashdigits: I have to sleep now. two things to keep in mind: "aptitude upgrade vlc" remember to append the "vlc", or else you'd upgrade your all your packages (which might be a bad thing). second, revert your sources.list to the original state if you wish.
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07:45.27digitsok
07:45.38digitsthanks so much :)
07:45.50Sajamhello, need to know if there's a software for install programs remotely
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07:46.34g00seSajam: ssh
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07:47.17Sajamg00se: ssh?? how can i use to install programs,
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07:47.55g00seSajam: ssh into the box and run aptitude
07:48.34digitsoh man
07:48.36Sajamg00se: appreciate for your reply, but please could you explain more,
07:48.44minsathnx guys.. uuid to menu.lst and fstab and voila ... !!
07:48.47digitsI wish maddash had not left
07:48.51zophyis there anything on the internet that i can connect to to test my rdesktop client ?
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07:49.43mischiefSajam, man aptitude
07:49.46jmarsdenzophy: Lots of unwary Windows machines, probably :)
07:49.53digitsthere are over 100 untrusted packages to install along with this new vlc O_o
07:50.09g00seSajam: Install ssh at both ends
07:50.44Sajamg00se: OK, i will, after that i run aptitude?
07:51.19g00seSajam: You run aptitude at the box on which you want to install something
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07:51.46digitsg00se, last question before I got to sleep....
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07:52.21digitsshould I install an updated program, if there are over 100 untrusted packages with it??
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07:53.07Sajamg00se: but i dont' want to interfere with the client machine, installing ssh on the client that's fine, but i want to install all programs without touching the client machine, is that possible?
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07:53.43streuner_digits: can you show us the command and all messages in paste.debian.net ?
07:54.04digitsstreuner_, ok
07:54.52g00seSajam: i'm getting confused: Can we use the terms 'remote'and 'local'?
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07:58.31digitsstreuner_, how do you 'select all' in a terminal window?
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07:59.22streuner_cut & paste?
07:59.27streuner_via mouse
07:59.47simonrvndigits: select it with the mouse..
08:00.02digitsi have a touchpad
08:00.14simonrvnaaand...?
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08:00.24digitshow do I select all?
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08:00.53digitsthere are hundreds of packages
08:01.01simonrvnwith your pointing device...
08:01.09digitsok
08:02.01simonrvnto me it's a mouse, whether or not it's a pad, a seperate object, or a trackball, or an eye tracking device
08:02.10digitsnot working, only selecting some of messages
08:02.34simonrvnstart top left end at bottom
08:02.42digitsnevermind
08:03.02digitsI'll wait until later today
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08:03.22tbryantdigits, depending on the terminal you are using, check if there is a "Select All" option in the menu (GNOME Terminal has this feature)
08:03.35digitsxterm
08:03.51tbryantAh, okay. I assume not then :P
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08:06.40g00sedigits: aptitude update -s vlc &>pastebin.log
08:06.58g00sedigits: (then use the file mentioned above)
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08:07.28rigantahi guys, I have been using debian linux in a vm for a while and now want to run linux debian native. My problem is that my file system is HFS + (leopard)
08:07.30g00ses/update/upgrade
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08:07.51rigantawhat file system could I be using in order to be compatible linux and mac ?
08:08.52digitseveryone, thanks for your help, but it is too late to do major troubleshoot at this hour, I will be back later in the day
08:09.14rigantaall my backups were made with Time Machine on a Mac ( HFS+) is there any possibilities for a linux box to read or even restore those ?
08:09.53rigantaI am using Debian lenny 5 2.6.26-2-686
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08:11.19simonrvnriganta: i very much doubt it can read those if they're in a closed proprietary binary format
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08:12.01zophywhat is a discp server
08:12.08simonrvnriganta: HFS is r/w with linux - used to be non-journalled hfs+ was too, but they disabled that in the kernel
08:12.31WakapakawananakaI have two ethernet cards, one is eth0 and one is eth1. I want to swap eth0 to be eth1, and vice versa, but I can't remember where the file lives that determines that. Anybody remember?
08:12.45simonrvnriganta: you'd be better off with ufs to share
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08:12.51g00se!70
08:12.52dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See also <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
08:12.56simonrvn!z25
08:12.57dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See also <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
08:13.06woobyhi again, so nobody knows how to skip the 'network configuration' installer step?
08:13.11simonrvnheheh
08:13.14Wakapakawananakaahh, terrific, thanks dpkg.
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08:13.58simonrvnriganta: ooh, actually, ufs r/w might be a problem... you'll have to check that out
08:14.43asdfgi have burned a copy of the businesscard netinstall as well as the 'testing' one. both cannot boot. why?
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08:15.26EmleyMoorwooby: If you are doing an expert install it should be skippable but I haven't tried it for a while
08:15.26simonrvnlemme check my crystal ball...
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08:15.41g00sewooby: Why do you want to?
08:15.49woobyEmleyMoor: would you happen to know how i do an expert install? i'm using etch boot floppies
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08:16.02woobyi'm using a pcmcia adapter that the tool is misconfiguring
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08:16.08EmleyMoorwooby: Where do you want to get the packages from?
08:16.10woobyi can get it working correctly when i drop into a shell and set up
08:16.36woobywell, once i set up networking manually i go back to the installer screen... and it says i can't proceed because networking hasn't been set up
08:16.51Sajamg00se:  i have a debian installed on the a computer, let's call it Server, and other one with debian installed let's call it client. So while i am on the server i want to install a program on the remote computer which is the client machine.
08:16.51woobyif i go through the process, it lets me see media mirrors and stuff
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08:17.01woobybut they don't work, because it seems to break the networking
08:17.06rigantaI think UFS might be complicated with leopard
08:17.30EmleyMoorwooby: Ah, in that case it's a bigger problem... I don't know how you can install over network unless you can get through that step
08:17.49digitslater all
08:18.17woobyEmleyMoor: thanks, yeah... i'm thinking the installer must store progress somewhere, or maybe looks at a log file
08:18.25EmleyMoorGenerally, if you want to try an expert install, just type expert at the boot floppy prompt
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08:18.37g00seSajam: So you ssh into the remote computer and use aptitude on it
08:18.51woobyEmleyMoor: thanks i'll give that a shot
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08:19.10g00seSajam: BOTH machines need ssh to be installed
08:19.20Sajamg00se: got it, thanks a lot,
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08:23.48tuxcrafterdoes somebody knows what updated package of the last 4 days is in debian sid is causing my icedove and iceweasel to be unusable slow, i am downgrading all kind of packages but so far no luck finding the issue
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08:24.09maxagazsimonrvn, ok thanks
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08:31.28gypsymaurohow can I know the scsi id of a disc ? I want to know my scsi id of my sdb drive
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08:32.40g00segypsymauro: find /dev/disk
08:33.05gypsymaurog00se: ?
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08:33.30g00segypsymauro: (it works for ide anyway)
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08:34.02gypsymaurog00se: find??
08:34.05hanibanahi all
08:34.07mischiefhey can anyone tell me how to do a logrotate on apache logfiles using piped logging, similar to how the default log is rotated?
08:34.36hanibanaI have a serial modem. but, my notebook has not the COM port. Can I use the modem with a COM-to-USB convertor cable?
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08:36.36joltcanhanibana: yes
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08:37.30hanibanajoltcan: ok thanks.
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08:40.45empiricguys updating apt-get update
08:40.53empiricit syas
08:40.54empiricFailed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/o/openafs/openafs-modules-source_1.4.2-6etch2_all.deb  Size mismatch
08:40.54empiricE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
08:40.57empiricwhat is this
08:40.58empiric?
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08:41.48themillempiric: can you pastebin your sources.list?
08:41.54themill!pastebin
08:41.55dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
08:42.40empiricok
08:43.15empirichere http://pastebin.com/m1c14b0b8
08:43.45themilljudd versions openafs-modules-source
08:43.46juddthemill: openafs-modules-source -- etch: 1.4.2-6etch1 etch-security: 1.4.2-6etch2 lenny: 1.4.7.dfsg1-6 sid: 1.4.7.dfsg1-6 lenny-security: 1.4.7.dfsg1-6+lenny1 etch-backports: 1.4.10+dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 1.4.10+dfsg1-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.4.10+dfsg1-1 sid: 1.4.11+dfsg-1 experimental: 1.5.50.dfsg1-1
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08:44.25empiricthemill http://pastebin.com/m1c14b0b8
08:44.51themillempiric: try deleting that .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ (or running apt-get clean) and try again.
08:45.20empiricok
08:45.30Sajamhow can i know the domain name of my debian OS
08:46.01themillSajam:  hostname --fqdn
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08:46.24Sajamthemill: appreciate
08:46.38empiricits not there
08:46.40empiricthemill
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08:48.50themillSajam: actually, "hostname --domain" is probably more like what you want
08:49.06empiricthemill is my osurces ok?
08:49.08empiricsources
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08:49.35themillempiric: yeah, try installing/upgrading again. It's most likely a bad http proxy between you and the security mirror
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08:52.49Sajamthanks for your help guys, i need to modify the source.list  to add websites since i removed them by mistake, any recommendations
08:54.16EmleyMoorSajam: Do you mean you removed repositories from it that you should have kept?
08:54.20mischiefdeb ftp://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ stable main #contrib non-free
08:54.25mischiefwhere CC is your country code
08:54.32mischief(i think that's right o.O)
08:54.52Sajamthanks mischief
08:54.54EmleyMoorhttp sometimes works instead of ftp and is possibly to be recommended
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08:55.27EmleyMoorRemove # before contrib if you need any non-free
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08:55.46EmleyMoorThere are plenty of others you could add but that is the main one.
08:55.47SajamEmleyMoor: thanks too, i need to rebuild the source.list since nothing inside it now, i will try what you mentioned
08:55.58mischiefalternatively,
08:56.04mischief!tell Sajam about apt-spy
08:56.11EmleyMoordeb http://ftp.CC.debian.org...
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08:59.57adam-_-if i want to see the value of an environment variable can I just do echo $VARNAME ?
09:00.30EmleyMooradam-_-: Yes
09:00.37adam-_-EmleyMoor: thanks
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09:01.04JJOliverhow do I create and empty file?
09:01.22adam-_-touch filename
09:01.39JJOliverthanks
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09:04.37empiricFailed to fetch ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said 'File size limit exceeded.  *  '
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09:04.50empiricthemill wht is the issue
09:04.55empiricits 1 time happening
09:05.15empiricW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
09:05.15empiricE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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09:08.01Sajamhow can i renew my ip in debian, i change the modem and it still saving the old ip address, it's not automatically changed
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09:08.50ZharfSajam, that's the way dhcp works usually
09:09.01joltcanSajam: Don't know what kind of modem you are talking about, but if something change in the network configuration, then your debian system will ask the DHCP server for a new IP, and if that is not needed, then the old will be used
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09:11.43Sajamyes,, both modems has dhcp, so when i disconnect from one modem to another, debian doesn't renew the ip address,
09:11.50Sajamdo i have to do it manually?
09:12.25Sajamthe first modem gives ip 192,.168.0.0 range / second one 192.168.1.0 range
09:12.37Zharfblinks
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09:15.42empiricthemill any idea
09:15.44empiricwhat to do
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09:17.58Sajamso, how can i renew the IP in debian, like in windows ipconfig/renew
09:18.55Sajamthanks in advance
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09:19.16elenril/etc/init.d/networking restart ?
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09:20.18EliripsHello. Is there a tool available in debian to "repair" pdf files? I have a pdf which I can look at, but printing fails, and pdf2ps says: 'Warning:  File has an invalid xref entry:  32.  Rebuilding xref table.' and then nothing happens. any ideas how I could fix this?
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09:21.36g00seElirips: How many pages?
09:22.10Elirips59 pages
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09:22.15Eliripswith images in it
09:22.55Eliripsg00se: I first tried printing from KDE - only an empty sheet came it. printing from windows gives me PCL XL error, so I tried to convert it to ps and then noticed that something seems to be wrong with the pdf.
09:23.22Eliripsg00se: but, strange things - okular displays the thing perfectly. just printing fails.. Maybe I'm wrong with the broken pdf .. (?)
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09:24.15g00seElirips: It certainly seems odd that there are no complaints until you print. Still, it could be printing-related metadata wrong only
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09:25.33pozicDoes gmailfs have some kind of error log? I mounted the gmailfs on /mnt/gmail, created and saved a file named test, but nothing is being uploaded and there are also no error messages.
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09:26.18Eliripsg00se: hm, might well be.. the pdf has images in it, and the pcl xl error (when printing from win with pcl) is something about Operator ReadImage, Error ExtraData.. but when printing from linux, (using cups, with hp://.. ) I only get an empty page - no errors/warnigs
09:27.43g00seElirips: apt-cache show pdftk ?
09:28.22themillempiric: it's really sounding like a dodgy proxy on your network. Do you have a transparent http proxy? Or a real proxy that you're setting using the http_proxy environment variable or in /etc/apt/apt.conf?
09:28.41g00seElirips: apt-cache show qpdf ?
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09:30.21Eliripsg00se: thanks a lot. i'll give those two tools a try - but first simply test it on another printer.. maybe something is just broken (dont think, but who knows)
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09:30.30empiricno no its direct from my fw
09:30.33empiricno proxies
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09:30.43empiricits transparent you can say
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09:30.51g00seElirips: I could take a look at it if it's not private..
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09:31.24Eliripsg00se: how can I send it to you?
09:31.35Elirips(its not private at all)
09:31.38edoreldHow can it be that the command `df -h` gives me a hard drive of 986M of size, with 936M used, but 0% free space?
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09:33.15JJOliveredoreld: does your hard drive have a swap partition?
09:33.16edoreldor something like this
09:33.17edoreldhttp://pastebin.com/d8268e89
09:33.21Agiofwswill upgrade  touch  my kernel and my ati  driver ?  will it break things ?
09:33.23edoreldplease see it for yourself
09:33.25ShredZI messed up grub, now I only get the grub> prompt instead of the menu. I typed in the commands to boot my system, but how do I get the menu back when the system boots ?
09:33.27edoreldJJOliver:
09:33.30master_of_masterhi, how can I add a rebootsave routingtable entree?
09:34.08edoreldthis is 99% but 914M is not 99% of 981M I believe ... (http://pastebin.com/d8268e89)
09:34.11Agiofwshttp://imagebin.org/56980
09:34.20ShredZis it possible to change some partition orders around so I can get partitions in the extended partition to be treated as primary (e.g. make them bootable) ?
09:34.27Agiofwswill apt-get upgrade  touch  my kernel and my ati  driver ?  will it break things ?
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09:34.33g00seElirips: cj AT technojeeves.com
09:34.56JJOliveredoreld: no idea than.
09:35.02JJOlivers/than/then
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09:35.28edoreldshit, we have like 100 PCs set up like that, and we're getting problems with space
09:36.13lxsameerwhat was the cd bootloader of debian sarge?
09:36.45bzedShredZ: you don't need to move them around to boot from them, grub shoudl support that in any case
09:36.58bzedShredZ: install grubn into the MBR and it should just work
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09:37.30FilipeMaiaDoes anyone know of a math expression parser for C that supports complex numbers?
09:37.30ShredZbzed, so I chainload the logical partition using grub on the mbr
09:37.49JJOliveredoreld: someone else may know what's going on.
09:38.11edoreldJJOliver: I hope so
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09:38.40JJOliveredoreld: how come you got 100pcs with only 1GB hd?
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09:38.52edoreldJJOliver: they don't need more than 1GB
09:39.06edoreldJJOliver: the clients, that is
09:39.15JJOliversure but can' you even buy 1gb hd these days?
09:39.32Eliripsg00se: I sent it to you - still playing around with t
09:39.35Eliripspdftk
09:39.45g00seElirips: ok
09:39.54edoreldJJOliver: my boss is the one that set them up, I don't know how he did it I'm afraid ^^
09:40.05JJOliver(-:
09:40.21JJOliverBut it would appear they need ever so slightly more space than you are giving them (-:
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09:40.48g00seElirips: I don't know what you're running but the latest OOo has pdf import
09:40.52edoreldJJOliver: if the drive worked as it was supposed to, they would be just fine
09:41.15edoreldand not reporting 100% used space, when in reality there are still many MBs left
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09:43.45Eliripsg00se: thx, i'll give that a try too, i jsut installed oo 3.x a few days ago. dang - i've had so many stupid things with pdfs and printing..
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09:45.05Eliripsg00se: okay, at a first look it doesn't seem correctly imported (lines of text above each other)
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09:49.50clashshi, I'm not finding a resolution to my problem - if anyone can spare some time to give me a hand, here is my post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/getting-grub-error-17-after-a-dual-boot-winxp-debian-installation-742379/
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09:51.59flourish_quick question. howto setup the domain for your debian system?
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09:52.48petemc!hostname
09:52.49dpkgUse "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN.  See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname.  http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
09:53.41craigevil!tell clashs about fixmbr
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09:54.43kripzWhy is my JFS raid5 always entering read only mode? Im getting errors in dmesg but i dont know what is causing it. Ive run samsung diagnostic tools on all the harddrives and smarmontools, they all pass. Tested ram with memtest, passed. Heres log: http://pastebin.com/m2f62fbf0
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09:55.56edoreldhmm I'm getting inconsistencies, `du -hax --max-depth=0 /`gives - > 897 M | While df -h gives 914M as used space...
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09:57.55asdfghas anyone downloaded and burn netinstall, both the businesscard and the 100+MB, recently, and boot from them? i can't.
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09:58.34clashscraigevil , thanks, I'll try it out right now.
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10:00.30paissad-hpguys, during the configure for installing libnice manually (./configure, make && make install)
10:00.35paissad-hpi got this error
10:00.35paissad-hpNo package 'glib-2.0' found
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10:00.51paissad-hpit's weird
10:00.59paissad-hpi got this too:
10:01.27vizzyhow to enable powersaving and throttling for my pentium IV-HT?
10:01.30paissad-hpNo package 'gobject-2.0' found
10:01.30paissad-hpNo package 'gthread-2.0' found
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10:01.40vizzyis this possible as with my pentium M on my laptop?
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10:01.54paissad-hpi'am building libnice
10:02.52jellyvizzy: that cpu likely has more limited support for frequency/voltage scaling.  try modprobing p4-clockmod and using the usual cpufreq utilities
10:03.17Eliripsg00se: thanks for your help and sorry for the noise. i managed printing it on an old canon printer.. It seems to be something hp-related(?) - tested 2 hp-printers from linux/win - no way - on the canon it works, very strange..
10:03.24vizzyjelly, thanks, thats at least a good starting point :)
10:03.34paissad-hpnobody knows ?
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10:04.04cantidopaissad-hp: don't build stuff if you don't know what you're doing maybe?
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10:04.37jellypaissad-hp: to build apps from source, you need relevant development packages installed
10:04.37paissad-hpcantido, i know what i do, but it seems weird to me that glib is not found durint the ./configure of libnice
10:04.48vizzypaissad-hp, its hard to figure out, but in generell, watch the logs and the first error is the one which is interesting. check if all files and libs you need to compile are installed and your library path points to it.
10:04.50cantidopaissad-hp: do you have the -dev package installed?
10:05.08themilljudd versions libnice0
10:05.08juddthemill: libnice0 -- sid: 0.0.8-1 squeeze: 0.0.8-1
10:05.11vizzy^^ and install the necessary dev packages :)
10:05.24paissad-hpi'm using lenny
10:05.32vizzyfor glib and all that
10:05.47themillpaissad-hp: then just backport the package. /msg dpkg ssb
10:06.01paissad-hpi decided to build from the source because aptitude search libnice returns me nothing
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10:06.21themillor at the least, use the fact that a debian maintainer has already worked out the dependencies for you
10:06.49cantidoor read the INSTALL file that came with it..
10:06.58cantidoor something crazy and off the wall like that
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10:07.37themillcantido: assuming that the INSTALL file doesn't just give a list of fedora package names and leave you to work out the rest...
10:08.46cantidoeven from the fedora package names you could work out what -dev packages you need
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10:09.17yareckonhey guys, our webdevelopement team uses a windows share for shared files but we don't have shell access to that machine... I want to search for strings efficiently
10:09.29themilleventually. Just don't make it sound trivial and obvious when it isn't necessarily so.
10:09.39yareckonmost folks use the string search in Zend ,which seems to work ok
10:09.59cantidoyareckon: mount the share locally and use the standard unix tools
10:10.07yareckonwhen I use SMB mount and grep the mounted share, I think samba on the other end gets tired of me
10:10.22yareckonand after 100 or so files, I get file not found errors
10:10.35yareckonis there a way to rate limit the search
10:10.45mjtthere's no limit like this
10:10.53yareckonhmm...
10:10.55cantidoyareckon: stick sleeps in your script
10:11.08mjtgrep opens files one by one, not all at once
10:11.12themillit's probably just "grep -r foobar /path" though
10:11.39yareckonyeah...
10:11.52yareckongnome search also poops out after a couple minutes
10:12.21yareckonso I was supposing there is something protecting the samba share from being recursed
10:12.39yareckonmaybe my tools are just not waiting for network latency
10:12.47cantidoyareckon: You don't see any errors in dmesg from the fs?
10:12.48mjtnope
10:13.11yareckonI'll try it again
10:13.27lvhCan anyone reccomend a good USB key rescue image?
10:13.33mjtdmesg can be seen post-factum
10:13.34lvhPreferably debian based. Console is fine.
10:13.44cantidoyareckon: the filesystem should be looking after that stuff, your tools just see files.. it could be that smbfs or whatever is being cranky
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10:14.21cantidolvh: the standard d-i iso's have a rescue mode
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10:14.32cantidolvh: I think you can use that with the usb loader bits
10:14.34yareckonthat's what I though too
10:14.34asdfghas anyone downloaded and burn netinstall, both the businesscard and the 100+MB, recently, and boot from them? i can't.
10:15.07petemcasdfg: what happens when you try? which exact isos did you download?
10:15.37themillyareckon: can you use cifs rather than smbfs -- I've had better luck with that sometimes (for no sensible reason given the supposed differences between the two)
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10:16.31asdfgpetemc, i downloaded businesscard and the 'testing' version. it can't boot from the cd, screen shows a '-' and then boot from my Window partition.
10:16.49qiyonghow do I find the battery charge times?
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10:17.25MrWaxhow can I list only the dirs with ls ?
10:17.35mjt-d
10:17.36themillqiyong: do you mean "acpi -V"?
10:17.38MrWaxthanks
10:17.40jellycantido: standard d-i is miles away from being "good rescue image", though
10:17.56jellylvh: I like grml.org personally.
10:18.04MrWaxmjt: doesnt work for me
10:18.23MrWaxi'm in a dir which got 2 dirs inside, 'ls -d' gives no result
10:18.39mjtwell, for that you have to use find
10:18.41yareckonthanks for the suggestions guys
10:18.43jellyMrWax: and if an -a is added to the command line?
10:18.58EmleyMoorls -ad
10:18.58qiyongthemill: does that show how many times your battery has been charged/used?
10:19.08MrWaxneither
10:19.19themillMrWax: you probably want: find -maxdepth 1 -type d
10:19.27mjtfind $where -maxdepth 1 -type d
10:19.32mjtheh
10:19.33MrWaxthemill: thanks
10:19.37jellyMrWax: "." and ".." are directories, too.
10:19.45themillqiyong: ahh no. No idea if that's recorded anywhere
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10:20.01mjtfind $where -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec ls -d '{}' +
10:20.10jellymjt: ugh
10:20.14EmleyMoor"this" and "uppards" as my dad used to call them
10:20.43mjtjelly: hgu
10:20.48jellyintroduces mjt to -ls
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10:21.09mjtjelly: you can't control -ls output
10:21.16jellymjt: control?
10:21.25themillbut why do we want -ls output?
10:21.28mjt-l/-i/-t/etc
10:21.30jellyor -print
10:21.37mjt-print only prints names
10:21.46jellyand ls -d does what?
10:22.05mjtbut with -exec ls you can use other options that tells ls to format its output to your taste
10:22.13mjteven sorting by time works
10:22.21themillmjt: he wanted a list of directory names...
10:22.41mjtso first form is ok (without -exec or anything)
10:22.53themillright.
10:22.57mjt-print is the default btw. in gnu find anyway
10:23.10themillwe know this
10:23.21mjtjelly does not
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10:24.19paissad-hpi would like to have an advice, i begin with debian and its kind of packaging, actually i have installed debian-502 and the installed libgstreamer version is 0.10.19 , that's what i see with aptitude show,  but i need to build a software which requires libgstreamer version 0.10.20 or newer !
10:24.38paissad-hphow should i proceed to go the newer version properly ?
10:24.40jellypaissad-hp: which software?
10:24.46paissad-hpfarsight
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10:25.45yareckonpaissad-hp, if you are running a desktop and don't mind running debian testing or unstable, they are often quite up to date
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10:25.53yareckonotherwise look for a backport?
10:25.56jellypaissad-hp: theoretically you could backport gstreamer.  In practice, good luck with that.
10:26.14yareckongstreamer is embedded in a lot of things
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10:26.35paissad-hpas i said, i begin with debian, i just want to know a good procedure or what i would have to do .....
10:26.36paissad-hp:s
10:26.40yareckonis this a server?
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10:26.55paissad-hpno a desktop
10:26.55jellypaissad-hp: which debian release are you using?
10:27.02mjt502
10:27.04paissad-hpdebian-502 lenny
10:27.12jellyjudd: versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-farsight
10:27.13juddjelly: gstreamer0.10-plugins-farsight -- etch: 0.10.2-1 lenny: 0.12.8-1 sid: 0.12.10-2 squeeze: 0.12.10-2
10:27.17yareckonthe procedure ( and someone will correct me) is to change your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
10:27.38yareckonand do a update and then a dist-upgrade or the aptitude equivalent
10:28.12paissad-hpwhich repositories ?
10:28.17yareckonthere are documents that will walk you through this and not forget any cautionary statements, which I am currently forgetting
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10:28.33yareckoneach line in the sources.list file is a repository
10:28.42paissad-hpjelly, it's not about gstreamer0.10-plugins-farsight
10:28.50yareckonthe format of the line is fairly simple, but it's not a simple url
10:28.55paissad-hpbut about libgstreamer0.10
10:28.59jellypaissad-hp: yeah, it's about libgstreamer0.10-0
10:29.43yareckonyou will need to change where it says (lenny or stable) to (squeeze or testing) or (sid or unstable)
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10:29.58paissad-hpin which repository may i get the latest version of libgstreamer-0.10
10:30.11mjtyareckon: note that will upgrade whole install, not just certain packages
10:30.16yareckonI would check packages.debian.net to see which version of debian you need (which has the version you need)
10:30.25yareckonmjt
10:30.32yareckonthat is true
10:30.40themillpaissad-hp: you either need to upgrade your entire system to squeeze (and you may not really want to do that: /msg dpkg testing ; /msg dpkg moving target).
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10:30.57themillpaissad-hp: or you need to try to make a backport. gstreamer is probably a pretty hard package to backport as jelly said.
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10:30.59yareckonbut gstreamer probably means it is a good idea to go to a newer release
10:31.08paissad-hpok
10:31.25cantidodoesn't debian multimedia have newer packages of that sort of stuff?
10:31.29jellyyareckon: dont forget to mention he'll lose support in #debian
10:31.35yareckonpaissad-hp, you aren't really giving us the context information we need to advise you properly, but we've given you a good place to start researching
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10:31.45paissad-hp:)
10:32.02yareckonpaissad-hp, you will lose support in #debian... unless you ask real nice like
10:32.07paissad-hpbtw, is it a good idea to download gstreamer and build it manually ?
10:32.10themillpaissad-hp: this far from a release, testing isn't really recommended for users who aren't familiar with the tools that debian uses.
10:32.16paissad-hpmay it cause some problems ?
10:32.45yareckonsqueeze is a new set of packages much newer than lenny... there are more features and more bugs
10:32.45mjtsure it may! :)
10:32.49paissad-hpthemill, i don't thing going to testing :)
10:32.54paissad-hpthink*
10:33.03yareckonthat's what you get when you get a new version of everything
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10:33.33themillpaissad-hp: you may as well try making a backport and see if it works out for you. If you have lots of trouble with sound (or it fails to build...) you'll know that a backport isn't going to be a simple procedure.
10:33.36yareckonif you wan to stay with your current setup, read about pinning or backporting
10:33.54themilldpkg: tell paissad-hp about ssb
10:34.06paissad-hpok thanks mates
10:34.10paissad-hpneed to go now,
10:34.14paissad-hpi'm late
10:34.14yareckongood luck
10:34.17paissad-hpbaaddd
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10:38.54lxsameerhow can i just download debian-installer from a remote repo and put the in m local one
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10:46.35themillpaissad-hp: fwiw, libgstreamer0.10-0 seems to compile ok as a backport. You'll have to work out whether it works OK yourself.
10:48.32neoiceis there a simple way to determine an arbitrary user's home dir? I could cat /etc/passwd, but that seem so crude
10:50.59themillneoice: getent passwd username
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10:53.20oxihi
10:53.28EmleyMoorneoice: Or even getent passwd username | cut -d : -f 6
10:53.37oxidoes anyone know how to "open" a .deb package in osx?
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10:53.54EmleyMooroxi: What do you want to do with it?
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10:53.56neoiceEmleyMoor: yeah, I just knocked that out myself
10:53.58oxiI mean "open" and have a look at the contents, .... not install
10:54.08themillEmleyMoor: | awk -F: '{print $6}'  :)
10:54.27EmleyMooroxi: I think you can treat it as a .tar.gz BICBW
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10:55.02EmleyMoorthemill: That's the awk-ward way <g>
10:55.05themilloxi: you can use "ar" to extract the contents. You'll find a few .tar.gz inside the ar archive
10:55.10oxiEmleyMoor: I expect to find some shell script in it. I would like to know how tomcat is integrated in squeeze and learn from that and apply some of the ideas to a current installation which I have on etch. (the package is not available for etch/lenny)
10:55.36EmleyMoorAh yes, ar!
10:55.44oxiEmleyMoor: great, ... I kindof expected it to be some standard compression format
10:55.58themillEmleyMoor: which version of tomcat?
10:56.01oxiEmlayMoor: thanks
10:56.02studio32people with experience using mingw on Debian, for crosscompiling qt?
10:56.09themilloxi: which version of tomcat?
10:56.12oxithemill: tomcat6....20
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10:56.26jellythe many dotted release
10:56.42oxiexactly, I don't remeber the dots between
10:56.42EmleyMoorThe spotted tomcat <g>
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10:57.10jellygood thing themill can parse regexps
10:57.14oxithemill: thanks, I'll try ar
10:57.14themilloxi: you can still download the .deb straight from packages.debian.org to your etch machine and then extract it there using the debian tools. (NOT to install it, just to inspect it). OSX isn't really needed.
10:57.55themilloxi: if you have mc installed, that's sometimes the easiest approach
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11:00.00oxithemill: yeah, sure, .... It's just that my notebook is OSX and I preferred to give it a try here... :-)
11:00.30oxithemill: thanks
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11:02.50newillhello to every body :)
11:03.11newillI having some problem in my other pc with ubuntu
11:03.17newillcan some help me?
11:03.17EmleyMoor!bod
11:03.17dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead.  Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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11:04.20edoreldnewill: #ubuntu
11:04.25newillyes
11:04.41newillcan I explain my proble? I am from Italian
11:04.46edoreldwhat programs exist in debian for the creation of live-cds?
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11:05.15themillnewill: pleae ask in #ubuntu-it or #ubuntu
11:05.17edoreldnewill: devi andare in #ubuntu
11:05.22JyZyGyZyX!friday
11:05.25craigeviledoreld:  live-helper, live-magic
11:05.26newillok thanks a loto
11:05.31newilllot
11:05.37EmleyMoorJyZyGyZyX: It is!
11:05.38edoreldcraigevil: are those command or graphical?
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11:06.15craigevillive-helper - Debian Live build scripts , live-magic - GUI frontend to create Debian LiveCDs, netboot images, etc
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11:06.44edoreldcraigevil: thanks craig, I should have been looking at it myself with aptitude search :/
11:07.19craigeviledoreld:  :) thats all i did
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11:09.39bolt-worknew record
11:09.46vizzyjerryeguru, are there no update scripts available? i can't believe :)
11:09.53jelly/kick bolt-work
11:09.58icedwaterHeh, does it usually take only 3 secs, bolt-work?
11:10.55bolt-workicedwater: about 8
11:10.59icedwaterI see, I see.
11:11.05icedwaterWell, it's good news I suppose.
11:11.11bolt-work!comfort jelly
11:11.11dpkgThere, there, jelly.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
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11:11.49icedwaterSo I was wondering, is it possible to change the defined X key combinations?
11:11.50jerryeguruvizzy: is there a way to download latest blacklists and put them in my blacklists, or the version of squidguard corresponds to particular blacklists
11:12.26icedwaterOn my Debian install, it seems Alt-Left and Alt-Right switch to the virtual terminal on the left or right respectively.
11:12.53icedwaterWhich is cool and convenient, but it interferes with my irssi habits :P
11:13.15boonyoif i'm doing a mantual install, and want to have my system encrypted, is it -mandatory- that /boot be on an unencrypted partition?
11:13.30icedwaterOr would it be easier to change the bindings in irssi? I'd like to know both anyway, so I'm asking here for the Debian bits.
11:14.16bolt-workboonyo: well, it sure does simplify things
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11:14.32bolt-workboonyo: your kernel is probably not classified top secret anywy
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11:15.14boonyobolt-work, no, i was just wondering if it were possible to have everything encrypted without needing an unencrypted boot, like using truecrypt or such
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11:15.37bolt-workboonyo: truecrypt is unencrypted on a truecrypt drive :)
11:16.07boonyoare you talking about the bootloader?
11:16.10DTalWell, something has to be unencrypted to begin with so there's something to decrypt the rest of it.
11:16.14AlverHello. I'm having issues with firefox/iceweasel on my sid install; it renders sites like crap - css borders are rendered in the wrong places, mouseover effects are screwed, etc. Running a remote firefox over ssh -X also shows this; that same firefox over VNC does not.
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11:16.28boonyoyeah, that makes sense. now i gotta start this installation all over agian...
11:16.42AlverBoth the local machine and the remote are debian sid, so it's something specific to this machine. Where would I start looking?
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11:17.01bolt-workAlver: bugs.debian.org
11:17.12boonyoyou reckon 200M will do me good for a few different kernels? haven't used linux in a while
11:17.12edoreldis there any CD-live builder program that will create a live-CD from a running system status?
11:17.38Alverbolt-work: it's not a bug in the package since a different machine with the exact same packages and versions does not show this behaviour
11:17.42bolt-workboonyo: very much so
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11:17.58edoreldso u install what you want on the running system and when everyone is set up to your liking, you say, now make a live CD out of it
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11:18.46g00seboonyo: Would have thought so
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11:44.57petemcim chrooted into a broken machine, trying to reinstall the kernel and it hangs creating the initrd, trying to do that manually with sh -x shows it hanging on modprobe --set-version=2.6.26-1-686 --ignore-install --show-depends ehci-hcd awk '/^insmod/ { print $2 }'
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11:46.46melkarta game in wine changed my screen resolution so that my monitor now says "out of range" and displays a black screen. i am writing from text console now. is there a way to make the X server change the screen resolution back to something my monitor can display?
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11:49.14avumelkart, xrandr(1)
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11:49.36avumelkart, you'd just have to set DISPLAY manually when calling it from a vt
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11:52.27craigevilanyone know what version of grub supports splash images? i have grub-legacy and it doesnt seem to work
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11:54.10icedwaterSpeaking of X issues, I can't seem to get my max resolution in X. I have it on console, but X refuses to support my graphics card all the way.
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11:54.40icedwaterI'm using an nvidia card and I have vga=0x0361 running fine on the other ttys ... found that mode via openSUSE.
11:54.44themillcraigevil: lenny's "grub" package does. See the grub-splashimages package.
11:55.05visofhello
11:55.25craigevilthemill:  i have the grub-splashimages and grub-legacy installed, boots fine but the normal grub menu
11:55.26visofi have mp4 player , how can i format it from Debian ?
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11:56.19craigevili added splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splashimages/debsplash.xpm.gz to menu.lst but it didnt change anything
11:56.25themillcraigevil: I have "splashimage=(hd0,0)//grub/splash.xpm.gz"
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11:56.49themillcraigevil: with a symlink: /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz -> splashimages/fiesta.xpm.gz
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11:58.38melkartavu: thank you. can you tell me, what i have to put after "-display"?
11:58.57craigevilthemill:  ok thanks
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11:59.09melkarti tried "localhost:0.0", but it tells me that it cant open display
11:59.12avumelkart, :0 probably. or set DISPLAY in your shell
11:59.30RichiHare there any decent XML editors out there?
11:59.45avuemacs.
11:59.46avuruns
11:59.53Titan8990_RichiH, emacs +1
12:00.01Ezeplol
12:00.13EzepRichiH: for X?, try scite
12:00.28EzepMmm, no no
12:00.30Titan8990_emm there is gui emacs
12:00.30EzepForget it
12:00.42Titan8990_or xemacs
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12:01.07macrobati recommend emacs-snapshot, you can use nice fonts with it
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12:01.45macrobatbut idk about xml
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12:03.01macrobatquanta does xml....
12:03.14kripzWhy is my JFS raid5 always entering read only mode? Im getting errors in dmesg but i dont know what is causing it. Ive run samsung diagnostic tools on all the harddrives and smarmontools, they all pass. Tested ram with memtest, passed. Heres log: http://pastebin.com/m2f62fbf0
12:03.47visofi have a USB mp4 device , when i connect it to the computer i get , two partitions that are called "Audio Disc" and "AMP_MP3" , i want to format that partition , how ?
12:03.52stewkripz: hardware raid or software raid?
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12:04.10kripzstew mdadm
12:04.35stewkripz: and mdadm isn't kicking drives out?
12:04.57kripzstew, no. It all happened after i grew the LVM and remounted the JFS with resize option
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12:05.20stewkripz: if mdadm isn't kicking drives out, I'd stick with the filesystem layer as being the cause of the problems
12:05.23macrobatvisof: man mkfs, if that partition is not needed
12:05.38kripzstew, yeah. But where do i even start?
12:05.47stewkripz: so I'd fsck it again or wahtever the jfs equivalant is
12:05.59stewkripz: and failing that, consider moving things to backup media, and remake the fs
12:06.31kripzstew, fsck fixes it but i want to know how to prevent/fix it. At this point moving 2.5tb data isnt possible for me :(
12:07.18melkartavu: thank you. when trying out xrandr it eventually killed my X server... but thank you
12:07.29melkartah, he is gone already..
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12:09.12E-bolaMy exim gateway (debian lenny) does nto want to accept e-mail with ssl encryption from exchange servers, it just logs: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.
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12:09.27E-bolaHowever swak can send via SSL without any issues, anybody who can shed some light on what mgiht be wrong?
12:10.41petemchow do i exclude a module from being built into an initrd?
12:11.39icedwaterHi, I need a bit of help with X configuration to improve resolution in graphics mode.
12:11.45nsadminpetemc: look at the docs of the initrd creator package
12:11.50icedwaterI'm using an nvidia card, and here's my config:
12:12.33icedwaterhttp://pastebin.com/d1575f61b is the Xorg.conf that didn't work
12:12.33petemcnsadmin: does anyone use anything other than mkinitamfs ?
12:12.52E-bolaHmm apears to be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482404
12:12.54nsadminit was renamed from mkinitrd
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12:13.10icedwaterhttp://pastebin.com/d37421008 is the Xorg.0.log of what happened
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12:13.27petemcnsadmin: do you know how to exclude modules from being built into an initrd created with mkinitramfs?
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12:13.52nsadminI don't, but I do know there's a config file for the initrd tools
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12:14.06icedwaterI've been trying for some time now, and still only the vesa driver is loaded :(
12:14.19nsadminit also has something to do with kernel-package
12:14.21petemcyes, ive changes MODULES=most to MODULES=required, no help
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12:15.16nsadminmaybe the actual creator doesn't read that file?
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12:15.43petemcit seems to use files in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ according to strace
12:16.13petemcbut i see nothing there nor can find any docs to tell me how to exclude a module
12:16.26petemcand im only guessing that excluding a module will help
12:16.44enoufpetemc: blacklist them
12:17.09easyfithi, I have a set of 10 identical debian boxes, but administration if a bit of hassle when you need to update them or change something on them all manually one by one, so is there some sort of program which will let you do a task on several machines simultaneously? maybe like a regular shell but which is connected to all 10 at once and whatever you type is gets run on all 10?
12:17.13petemcenouf: do you know if that works when creating initrds?
12:17.17enoufpetemc: the Installation guide mentions how, and /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs
12:17.25petemcah, thanks
12:17.25enoufofcourse it does
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12:19.24JJOliverhrm, this is odd, so I've (again) done a fresh install of my debian server. SSH from a client is saying again about the RSA host key. What is odd, is that i can ssh into the server from a client via su / root but not from user. Any suggestions? The error is that the key is in /home/user/.ssh/known_hosts:1 but ls /home/user/.ssh says not existant
12:19.44enoufpetemc: if using mkinitramfs-kpkg, please see the man page mmentions to use update-initramfs instead (also note; /etc/initramfs-tools/*) and read this for _newer_ kernel-package version methods/changes http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt
12:20.18petemcim just trying to fix a non booting box
12:20.29g00seJJOliver: ls -a
12:20.29enoufrighto
12:20.29petemccheers for the pointers
12:20.33enoufnp
12:21.07JJOliverDo I then need to edit that as su/root?
12:21.09g00sepetemc: this one has them all specified explicitly: http://lml.support-netz.de/trac/browser/main/linuxmuster-linbo/trunk/conf/initramfs.conf
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12:21.45petemcg00se: thanks
12:22.12g00seJJOliver: No. As 'user'
12:22.21JJOliverokay
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12:23.06nsadminpetemc: so it's crashing on a particular module?
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12:23.18JJOliverg00se: thanks so much. Wasn't sure what's going on there.
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12:23.38JJOliverI tried nano'ing it from user before but it was blank - a - de - blank.
12:23.39petemcnsadmin: it hangs creating the initrd
12:24.26nsadminwhat if you locate the module, move it outside the kernel module dir (remember where it is)
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12:24.37icedwaterHow do I determine what nvidia card exactly is being used on my laptop?
12:24.41nsadminthen run depmod -a and then regen the image
12:24.55g00seJJOliver: Out of interest, what do ls -al  ~ | grep ssh give you?
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12:25.07nsadminthen move the module back
12:25.20icedwaterlspci -vvv only shows it is a VGA compatible device.
12:25.25petemcnsadmin: im rebooting it with a backup initrd, will perhaps try that after, cheers
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12:25.43visofi want to mount usb device
12:25.49visofhow can i do this ?
12:26.22JJOliverg00se: drwx------  2 josh josh   4096 1980-01-05 00:33 .ssh
12:26.22nsadminvisof first plug it in
12:26.23visofi did
12:26.29JJOliverand before you say it . . . i know my battery is flat so the clock is all screwing.
12:26.31g00seJJOliver: Right. THanks
12:26.32nsadminlook at output of dmesg
12:26.55nsadminthe end ought to say something about what device it is
12:26.57visofnsamin i can remove some file that mus be deleted , it's read only
12:27.06visofi'm using gnome
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12:27.45nsadminhave you tried what I'm suggesting yet?
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12:28.40sparseHi, I have some troubles with running pure-ftp on my debian box, respectivelly, there is no problem with accessing it from the box, but I am not able to to it from another box with lftp (while ftp wors). I read some notice about problems with netfilter and ftp servers, but I have not found any workaround, could anyone help?
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12:28.54sparseMy distro is lenny, amd64, default kernel 2.6.26
12:29.18stewsparse: can you login but not ls? or not even login?
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12:30.29visofi added some lines in fstab : but i got:
12:30.33visofvisof:/home/visof# mount -a
12:30.33visofmount: /dev/sda already mounted or /mnt/usb busy
12:30.33visofmount: according to mtab, /dev/sda is mounted on /media/AMT_MP3
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12:31.08nsadminvisof: and what does this suggest to you?
12:31.13sparsestew: Well, with ftp it tries to login, then asks for password and then I am in a nd able to do ls ..., with lftp, I am first asked for password that is perhaps stored somewhere and after doing ls, I see Connecting ... then Logging In which it will end
12:31.33lxsameerhi how can i get a debian mirror rsync account to work with debmirror and rsync?
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12:32.20sparsestew: So, I can login with ftp, but not with lftp
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12:33.03jellysparse: are you asked for a username/login?  Have you tried enabling a higher debug level in lftp to see what happens?
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12:33.11stewsparse: if you can't even login, then the problem isn't the one you are thinking about with netfilter, I don't think.  I think you are thinking of the problem with active mode ftp (where the server makes a connection back to your client) which may require connection tracking
12:33.17visofnsadmin i can't remove some files
12:33.32visofi got  Read-only file system
12:33.41stewsparse: but if you aren't even logging in, you haven't gotten that far yet,  this seems to be strictly a lftp problem.  can you use lftp to login to other sites?
12:33.43visofi did rm -rf folder as a root
12:33.52visofhow can i fix this ?
12:33.54jellysparse: run just "lftp", tell it "debug 3", then try to connect to your site
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12:33.59sparsejelly: I was asked ofr passw in both, login was in command, have not tried that, will try
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12:34.55jellyvisof: which folder did you rm-rf?
12:35.15visofsomething in my mp4 device
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12:35.24visofthat i mounted in /mnt/usb
12:35.56nsadminthen you probably erased the device
12:36.04visofhow can i format it as fat32 fs from Debian ?
12:36.28sparsejelly: helll, you were right, my problem was not in lftp, it was in configuration, it was configured to use some proxy, ... thanks jelly, stew
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12:36.57jellyvisof: were there any errors in /var/log/kern.log (or dmesg) after that?  Did that rm report any errors?
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12:37.29visofjelly ya
12:37.51jelly...
12:38.04visoffile1 : Read-only file system
12:38.09visoffile2 : Read-only file system
12:38.14visofa lot of them
12:38.14nsadminjelly: slippery.
12:38.29jellygoes to do something useful instead
12:38.35nsadminmaybe that's a good thing
12:39.48visofwhat is this mean ?
12:40.16nsadminyou can read but not write
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12:40.32visofi know
12:40.38visofcan even format it ?
12:40.46ranixdefine format
12:40.56visoferased it
12:40.56ranixmkfs?
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12:41.26visofcan mkfs do fat32 fs on it ?
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12:42.01nsadminit's mounted, if you format it now bad things could happen
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12:43.30visofwhat do you mean ?
12:43.40visofabout lost all the data ?
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12:44.20visofmkfs -t vfat /dev/sda ?
12:44.27oznthi everyone, is /etc/subversion/svn-authz supposed to be empty on debian install ?
12:44.30visofis this doing the task ?
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12:46.53visofvisof:/# fdformat -n /dev/sda
12:46.53visofCould not determine current format type: Invalid argument
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12:47.15nsadminthat's for floppys
12:47.26JJOliverfd=floppy disk
12:48.22JJOlivervisof: are you sure /dev/sda isn't your main hard drive?
12:48.44visofthis is my usm mp4 device
12:48.49visofusb*
12:48.58ranixvisof: you're dangerous with this computer thing
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12:51.08JJOlivervisof: please do a fdisk -l
12:51.12JJOliverand copy the results
12:51.18JJOliverand paste here.
12:51.27visofok
12:51.39nsadminpaste here? howbout a pastebin
12:51.45ranix!paste
12:51.45dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
12:51.51JJOliverwell pastebin would be better.
12:51.55JJOliver(-:
12:52.01JJOliver!lart JJOliver
12:52.01dpkgputs JJOliver into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of JJOliver's hair of
12:52.02nsadminthe bot will boot him, you won't see everything
12:52.22ranixof?
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12:52.28JJOliverhrm .
12:52.40JJOliversomeone needs to teach dpkg grammer
12:52.41visofJJOliver http://pastie.org/557630
12:52.42JJOliver!gramma
12:53.13abrotmangrammar ?
12:53.13ranixoff/of has nothing to do with grammar
12:53.33abrotmansomeone needs to teach JJOliver spelling
12:53.47jellythis is too easy to quote.
12:53.50nsadminor dpkg :)
12:53.50ranixabrotman: but speeling is hard
12:53.51JJOliverpoints out his membership to the DNA.
12:54.06visofi did it
12:54.08visofvisof:/# mkdosfs -I -F 32 /dev/sda
12:54.14nsadminbut squeeling is easy
12:54.27JJOlivervisof: just be warned you may have buggered it up.
12:54.27jellyvisof: hopefully after you unmounted it everywhere?
12:54.44visofyeah
12:54.47JJOliverLooks like it was a logical volume designed for use across different OS.
12:54.52icedwaterHm, what can I do if debian's nvidia-versions.sh says my card isn't supported by any driver version, but it's run properly in openSUSE before?
12:54.55visofi umounted it firstly
12:55.09JJOlivernow you made it a glorified USB memory stick I think.
12:55.50nsadminyeah, I don't see how the device will work unless it was already formatted fat32
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12:56.05JJOlivervisof: hrm
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12:56.17visofi'll try
12:56.21JJOliverOh come on people, I layed out the foundations for a lovely joke but no one picked up on it.
12:56.37macrobatglorystick?
12:56.40ranixthis is a support channel JJOliver, please move to #debian-offtopic for jokes
12:56.41macrobatidgi
12:56.47visofwewe, i did it
12:56.52visofit's working now
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12:57.11JJOlivervisof: the toilet is in the corner . . . and the joke was about the DNA anyway.
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13:01.54erringi removed dhcdbd and now i got no ip
13:01.57erringwhat should i do!
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13:03.49nsadminvisof: glad it worked out, but it was all you... think about how tech people communicate with each other about technical things
13:04.07visofthanks all
13:04.14visofthanks nsadmin
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13:12.31shli notice that xen-tools has no support for creating a testing/squeeze installation. should I install a lenny instead and upgrade to squeeze? if so, how?
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13:12.57shlthe dom0 will be running lenny
13:13.03abrotman!tell shl about lenny->squeeze
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13:14.56shlabrotman: ok. it says expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. I just want to use Request Tracker 3.8 instead of 3.6. Should I just run lenny and do apt-get -t testing install request-tracker instead?
13:15.10abrotmannope .. either backport it or run squeeze
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13:15.47shlok. it will run fetchmail, postfix, mysql, apache and perl. how bumpy should I expect that ride to be?
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13:17.47zhxk!paste
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13:19.27jawbrkri'm using ssh-add to import a key, but when i try ssh -vvv it doesn't seem use the keyring, if I add my key to .ssh/identity it works but it's a little annoying to type in my passphrase for every ssh session i have
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13:21.19empiricguys apt is doing prb
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13:21.31empiricGPG error: http://apt-cache etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
13:21.39empiricis it necessary?
13:22.26abrotmanempiric: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
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13:23.28empirichere
13:23.29empirichttp://pastebin.com/m7f067e02
13:23.33empiricagain errors
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13:24.11keyhackIs there any way to tell that my NIC and/or Debian installation is dropping packets? I'm trying to test some high traffic UDP software and I'm trying to determine where the point of failure is, I suspect the old NIC I have
13:25.02g00seempiric: best pastebin sources.list too
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13:25.37jawbrkrkeyhack: netstat -i ?
13:26.29keyhackjawbrkr: hmm, the RX-DRP includes UDP?
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13:27.51empirici am running my apt-proxy
13:28.38empirichttp://pastebin.com/m2f8750dc
13:28.48justinempiric: install debian-archive-keyring
13:29.33keyhackjawbrkr: thanks, I've found some good stuff
13:30.14themillempiric: have you successfully used apt-proxy? (i.e. is it configured correctly?) Did you follow dpkg's suggestion and run apt-get update again?
13:30.32empiricyes i did
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13:31.39Ezepthemill: you love to show examples, huh? :-)
13:32.18themill?
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13:34.38empiricguys how i updare gpg keys
13:34.50empiricdo i can import ?
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13:34.55empiricfrom internet
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13:35.53Napkinhi!
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13:36.37NapkinI could use some help with debconf-set/get-selections
13:36.43g00seempiric: find /var/lib/apt/lists/apt-cache -type d (run it on the cache box)
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13:39.42Napkini fed a few results (debconf-get-selections) from one box to another box. According to debconf-get-selections on that second box, it accepted the configuration successfully. but when I run dpkg-reconfigure on one of the packages, it is somehow resetted to the values from before. what am I doing wrong?
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13:43.14enoufNapkin: did you use 'debconf-set-selections file' on the box2 prior?
13:43.22Napkinyes
13:44.10Napkinif i do a "debconf-get-selections | grep locales" i can see, that those values got accepted (trying to configure the locales automatically)
13:45.06Napkinbut as soon as i run through dpkg-reconfigure (tested with frontends noninteractive and dialog) those values are deleted and set to some previous values
13:45.37Akufendo I need the full path to shutdown when I want to use it through cron?
13:46.23Napkinit's safer if you do, Akufen - although it usually is in default PATH of root
13:47.05Akufenthanks, I'll try it out
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13:48.26Akufenis there a logfile keeping track of the crontab errors by default?
13:48.43petemcshould be in syslog
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13:51.10Akufenfull path was required..
13:51.47Akufenjustin: right I forgot about that
13:52.27Napkinomg..: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11008
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13:52.30Napkinis that true?
13:52.43Napkinwhat good is debconf-set/get-selections at all then ?!
13:52.51Napkin*sigh*
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13:54.03justinNapkin: i think it works if you set things before a package is installed
13:55.34Napkindifficult on a debootstrap :(
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13:58.57Estocan aptitude downgrade whole system?
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13:59.07Estofrom squeeze to lenny for example
13:59.12EmleyMoorEsto: Downgrades are not supported
13:59.31Estobut why?
13:59.55EmleyMoorBecause trying to would be more trouble than it's worth
14:00.05vizzywhat would happen if we change squeeze source in apt-.get to lenny stable? isnt it a downgrade then?
14:00.34EmleyMoorvizzy: In general terms it won't go
14:00.34Napkinnot "being supported" doesn't mean it might work
14:00.40Napkinnot "being supported" doesn't mean it might *not* work
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14:00.48justin~+downgrade
14:00.48aptit has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get at the moment and probably never will be supported because why would you want to downgrade in the first place? Not possible because some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later...but if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880
14:01.08themillvizzy: nothing would happen initially. Apt only ever tries to upgrade packages. When you next come to installing packages, you'll get lots of broken packages though
14:01.28EmleyMoorIt's a good way to hose a system
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14:01.37vizzyhmmm, but e.g. what happens if i add deboan multimedia repo to my apt sources and install e.g. mplayer , then mention that mplayer is broken in that repo and want to go back to debian lenny stable?
14:02.03vizzyis it corercted after deleting the debian multimedia repo? or will it also break some things?
14:02.20EmleyMoorvizzy: Less of a problem... you'd need to remove all the dmm packages manually though
14:02.31vizzy(i found that the mplayer in the multimedia repo does not work propperly on my system f.some reasons)
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14:03.06EmleyMoorIt could be difficult to go back to the standard ones but it is nothing like trying to reverse a whole system
14:03.24vizzyEmleyMoor, ah ok, i c, but i i only want to install one package from the multimedia repo, it wants to upgrade so many other things... so that means we have to log the installation and upgrades when adding a repo to lenny?
14:03.49vizzyok, so i will download packages and do a manual install. e.g. i only want avidemus but not a new mplayer
14:03.51EmleyMoorI put some backported apps on once and found they were worse than the ones in stable...
14:04.16vizzyhmmm
14:04.20EmleyMoorvizzy: You either need to log it or work out what was installed "because"
14:04.40ranixmost of the time you can do a lot worse than stable
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14:05.13EmleyMoorYou can stay with versions of things from dmm and they won't downgrade - they will upgrade if the version in stable goes ahead...
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14:06.50oznthi i've set up my svn repositorty at /var/svn/project how do I check it out ? I don't understand, can someone correct me ?  checkout svn+ssh://user@1XX.XX.1X5.2XX/var/svn/project
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14:07.29steezhi there
14:09.38Napkindon't you have to add the branch? like .../trunk ?
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14:11.24adboznt:  svn co  < for  `check out `
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14:11.46adbsteez: running Debian ?
14:12.20ozntadb, thanks I am trying either way, but there's something wrong with my setup and I can't pin it down
14:12.26steezyep
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14:13.14antiiif i set permissions in a folder like /var/www/domain for like 2775, and if i create a subfolder in there it doesent have the 2775 permissions, how do i set so all folders i create has these permissions?
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14:13.45ozntadb, if I created my repo with 'svn import somedir/ file:///var/local/svn/sinbra-dev/'  how do I check it out now ?
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14:14.07MrWaxlets say I have if [] then .. fi <- what does 'fi' do in this bash script?
14:14.17vizzyfi == if
14:14.24vizzyits the end iof the if statement
14:14.40EagleScreenfi closes if
14:14.44MrWaxok
14:14.49adboznt: i don't know how works internally a svn server
14:15.06ozntok, thanks for the help anyway
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14:15.24antiior how can I set automatic umask
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14:18.36steezi just don't understand why mount a usbhdd and block all permissions on the mount point
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14:18.44enoufantii: default umask might be set in /etc/profile (and for individual users usually in their ~/.bashrc) - but dirs start out as 777 and files 666 - and i have a sneakin suspicion you're going about whatever it is, the wrong way entirely
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14:19.16EugenMayerdoes a user need to be in a specific group to be able to use tex? its about my webserver, i should run some tex2html and back conversions
14:19.18steezi set uid, gid, umask, but mount always make it a root-only device
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14:19.27enoufsteez: FSType that doesn't comprehend unices permissions?
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14:20.00enoufsteez: think Redmond OS FSTypes
14:20.08steezmhh I don't have any clue about that, man mount said you could umask ntfs
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14:20.33enoufumask would have a different meaning as a mount option - AFAIU
14:20.45steezor maybe ntfs-3g messes with mount
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14:21.52enoufthat would be how FUSE works possibly - but i just 'chown user:group /mnt/point' for any vfat partitions
14:22.01enoufactually with -R
14:22.27enouf!ntfsrw
14:22.27dpkgIf you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>).  See also <user accessible ntfs>.
14:22.55steezenouf: thanks for the pointers
14:22.57enoufsteez: see that (and accompanying factoids)
14:23.00enoufsure
14:23.06harksteez: what's your fstab line?
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14:23.26steezthat's not in my fstab
14:23.41harkok, your mount command then
14:23.58steezmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbhdd/ -t ntfs -o users,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=755
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14:24.40steez( i've almost no experience in that domain )
14:24.52harkntfs is very limited rw. you need ntfs-3g there instead
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14:25.23enoufshould be part of fuser-mount group? dunno
14:26.12steezit's handled by the ntfs-3g even though i typed ntfs ( mount doesnt use the name ntfs-3g )
14:26.41enoufpresupposes steez doesn't even have ntfsprogs installed then
14:26.42steezplus, as root, i can do anything on the drive, the problem is, no other users can list/read the mount point
14:27.05Titan8990_steez, yes, it does, there are both ntfs and ntfs-3g type options for mount
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14:27.23Titan8990_steez, ntfs being the one with limited rw support
14:27.25steezenouf: right, i never installed that, doing it
14:27.44Titan8990_steez, you can mount with ntfs-3g directly:   ntfs-3 /dev/drive /mnt/destination
14:27.48enoufsteez: ntfsprogs is for 'ro' mounts - and other things
14:28.15Titan8990_steez, if you are specifying in fstab, you need to specify the filesystem type as ntfs-3g
14:28.51steezoh ! pardon me, i was confused with another linux installation who had ntfs-3g by default, this one is ntfs only.
14:28.59harksteez: no, you need ntfs-3g and get rid of users as well
14:29.11steezso everything i said is even more bs , sorry
14:29.55Titan8990_steez, the ntfs is a kernel module, ntfs-3g runs in userspace via the fuse module
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14:37.36ozntcan some one help me decipher this error with svn ?  '/path/ is already a working copy for a different URL'
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14:40.32abrotmansounds like you have something already checked out into that dir that uses the same /path/
14:40.34harkoznt: are you doing a checkout?
14:40.46enoufoznt: is that some GUI svn tool error?
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14:41.17oznthark, no, just from command line. trying to see if a user has ability to check out submit stuff on this repo
14:42.51harksee what abrotman said
14:43.33enoufTitan8990_: and hark when you say "limited rw" (concerning ntfs.ko mounting) do you mean that it does things like update inodes (atime/mtime/ctime perhaps) .. or something else? I mean, i thought it was a true ro, and won't touch anything (though, i admit i'm aware ntfsprogs has a way to set the "dirty bit" so one can then use chkdsk within next windows boot, or whatever)
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14:44.19enoufsorry - /me realizes NTFS has no atime/ctime/mtime, but it's own form of FS flags/tags .. whatever
14:44.20petemcenouf: you can edit files but not change their size, iirc
14:44.44NicoOOoOoaurait besoin de bonnes idées pr essayer de silencios... heu rendre silencieux un poweredge2400 (a part l'option dans bios :p) ...
14:44.46DebLHi. I have a list of open Socks 5 proxies in the form of:  IP:port <line break> IP:port <line break>. So the IP:port are listed one-per-line. Is there a command to remove all of the :port's and get the IPs so they are listed in this form: IP <space> IP <space> IP
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14:45.06enoufpetemc: hrm ... interesting ... so modifying DLLs, just must keep same size? .. hrm, no CRC, no md5summing? no wonder windows is spyware laden :-P
14:45.06steezcut + sed
14:45.28DebL?
14:45.40stewDebL: what version of debian are you using?
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14:46.13steezsomething like : cat file | cut -d":" -f1 | tr "\n " would do the trick i guess
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14:46.31enoufpetemc: thanks for the info - it actually rings an old bell for me - just completely forgot, and long time ago
14:46.48petemcenouf: yeah, it was off the top of my head and im unsure of details
14:47.03enoufpetemc: i recall when CaptiveNTFS was the rage ...
14:47.23enoufJancovich or someone similarly named
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14:48.27DebLsteez: tr: missing operand after `\\n '
14:48.37justinDebL: you want xargs, not tr
14:48.59justintr(if called right) can work, but by default xargs without any arguments will merge lines together
14:49.19DebLthat package needs to be installed, or it's default justin ?
14:49.33harkenouf: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#can_i_write_to_an_ntfs_volume
14:49.44\amethystjustin:   xargs does more than that though
14:50.11justin\amethyst: not by default
14:50.25justinwell, if the output is huge it will
14:50.30\amethystjustin:   sure it does.  try   echo "it's friday" | xargs
14:50.38\amethystjustin:  you'll get an error about unmatched quotes
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14:50.50justin\amethyst: ip's don't have quotes in them :-P
14:51.27justintr '\n' ' ' will work, may have to add the final \n back in though
14:51.37\amethystDebL:  while IFS=: read ip port; do echo "$ip "; done < proxylist
14:52.17justin\amethyst: echo -n
14:52.22\amethystgah
14:52.31steezhaha those newlines
14:52.34\amethystI meant printf "%s " "$ip"
14:52.47\amethystbut, yeah, echo -n works too in Debian
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14:53.06iluminator101How do i find a recommended power supply for a socket 939 board?  The board i have is ms 7039
14:53.16abrotmaniluminator101: ask ##hardware
14:54.04enoufhark: thanks for the pointer
14:54.37enoufwhere's fxiny!! debconf9 is upon us!
14:54.52enoufchecks oftc
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14:55.03enoufnope
14:55.29adb!debconf9
14:55.31harkenouf: check this out: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-3g
14:55.34enoufiluminator101: it's easy enough - see formfactors.org and the ATA spec
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14:56.04enoufiluminator101: basically just watch the 20/24 pin conversion thingy
14:56.31enoufhark: whoa .. heh
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14:58.38jelly"The latest stable version is 2009.4.4, released on April 2, 2009." -- doesn't sound obsolete
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14:59.19harkit's a fork, they have their differences i'd guess
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15:00.10enoufhark: seen "Installing ntfsmount (Debian)" .. http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount <--talk about unclear about which command to use to mount, which group user must be in, which options for mount, etc etc
15:00.26enouf(though informative nonetheless)
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15:00.45enoufkernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko is here, so no issue with that here
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15:02.17blairsooleyhey
15:02.19steezmhh
15:02.36blairsooleyi am trying to find the my.conf file in /etc/ ...is there one?
15:02.39blairsooleyi am running debian 5
15:02.47steezafter a reboot, ntfs-3g agree to make the mount point readable
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15:03.01steezeven though there's still a lil magic here, at least it works
15:03.04steezthanks ^^
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15:06.12steezsilly question, i'm curious, are y'all sysadmin or programmers ?
15:06.26stewsteez: its safe to assume there are many of both
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15:07.17lolufailhi there!
15:07.20blendmaster1024and many noobs who just watch, too
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15:08.15lolufailI have a new server with cciss raid controller, now I want to install the utils for that, but:
15:08.15lolufailSCNN001:/usr/src/cciss-source-3.6.20-16# ./configure
15:08.15lolufailCould not determine if the distribution is Redhat or SUSE
15:08.21jpinxwhen I go through a fsck on a vfat system (SD card) it tells me what's wrong, I tellit to delete/correct as needed, but at the end it says "leaving filesystem unchanged". Any ideas why?
15:08.23enoufhark: shouldn't that last URL i posted (when referring to module-assistant) show/have a "m-a prepare" as 1st step there?
15:08.23steezi meant it could have been for hobby
15:08.51lolufailis it safe to disable the checks?
15:09.05icedwaterAwesome!
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15:09.21icedwaterI managed to get 1280x800 working on my nvidia card.
15:09.26lolufailor: should I force redhat oder suse?!
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15:09.33lolufail-oder +or
15:09.39icedwaterThanks to you guys, enouf in particular, as well as the debian docs.
15:10.00harkenouf: they install the headers before the m-a command, so no need for that
15:10.15enouficedwater: bravo -- recall what the issue was? or .. too many to list?
15:10.18abrotmanlolufail: how about trying it and see if it works ?
15:10.38lolufailI dont wanna mess up the system :D it's 1,2k eur per month
15:10.40enoufhark: righto -- just read the man page - however, prepare also checks that b-e is installed
15:11.05harkenouf: it was probably written for sarge (kernel-headers), shouldn't need to do that anymore now
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15:11.13icedwaterWell, it was ... an itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini, that she wore for the first time that day.
15:11.14abrotmanlolufail: mess up their software .. not your system ?
15:11.46lolufailis debian the wrong OS for serious server-ing? or why does HP let you choose between suse and redhat only :D?
15:11.46enoufhark: whoa .. ntfs-3g has been superceded via ntfsmount since Sarge? wtf? .. /me is lost
15:11.48harkenouf: yeah, i forgot.. it installs b-e for you too
15:11.51icedwaterenouf: I downloaded nvidia-versions.sh which suggested my card was not supported.
15:11.55enoufheh
15:12.10icedwaterBut I knew it had to be, since openSUSE did it :P
15:12.16lolufailabrotman: what do you mean? I jstu want a clean install of this software
15:12.27enouficedwater: not supported by what?
15:12.53icedwaterSo when I tinkered with the xorg.conf yesterday, as you suggested, the result I got was 'no device' and I had to delete xorg.conf for X to work normally.
15:12.54enouficedwater: please don't intertwine nvidia drivers with the Xorg 'nv' one
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15:13.28icedwaterenouf: I didn't. I replaced it with 'nvidia' according to the debian site... the 'nv' one was what gave me issues yesterday, it insisted I had no device.
15:14.03enouficedwater: oh .. i guess it is possible your card is too *new* for 'nv' to work even correctly in 2D then?
15:14.19icedwaterHm, perhaps it is.
15:14.20enouficedwater: can you show me lspci -nn | grep VGA once again please?
15:14.26enouficedwater: it's one line
15:14.27icedwaterI shall now move on to trying compiz. :P
15:14.30icedwaterYeah, hold on.
15:15.05icedwaterIt still shows the same as yesterday:
15:15.29icedwater02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:086f] (rev b1)
15:15.31enouficedwater: but, AFAIU, "nvidia-versions.sh" pertains to _nvidia_ drivers, not Xorg ones
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15:16.43Titan8990_enouf, sorry, i just got back
15:16.48icedwaterYup, I gave up trying the Xorg ones, enouf, and nvidia-versions.sh originally indicated my card wasn't supported.
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15:17.05Titan8990_enouf, when I mean "limited" I mean that you can only overwrite files with things of the exact same size
15:17.09enouficedwater: ok - no worries - carry on - i see it's some new-fangled thingy
15:17.10Titan8990_enouf, as in, VERY limited
15:17.13icedwaterBut I went ahead with the m-a auto-install instructions anyway since I knew that there were drivers for my card for sure.
15:17.30icedwaterThough ... I am not sure why lspci doesn't show me what the card actually is.
15:17.31enoufTitan8990_: i see - thanks for confirming
15:17.59enoufjudd pciid 10de:086f
15:18.00juddenouf: [10de:086f] is 'C79 [GeForce 9200M G]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:086f
15:18.03Titan8990_icedwater, is it a quaddro?
15:18.12enoufbut don't even think about "nvidiafb"
15:18.25enoufTitan8990_: see judd output
15:18.26icedwaterActually now my next step is to get wireless working ... this Atheros card is annoying.
15:18.35cuscohi
15:18.37icedwaterenouf: Wow, did you script that?
15:18.44cuscoIm sure this has been asked many times but...
15:18.48icedwaterI actually tried nvidiafb, didn't help much.
15:18.48Titan8990_icedwater, atheros is the best
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15:19.02enoufaren't those GeForce things -- some are actually Chipsets, not Video Cards .. ugh
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15:19.06cuscodisk is full... I can't figure where large files are at
15:19.10enouficedwater: no, themill did, IIRC
15:19.15cuscois there a *quick* way to find them
15:19.16Titan8990_icedwater, patch madwifi for injection, compile, blacklist athxk modules, done
15:19.34enouficedwater: nvidiafb would actually work against you .. especially with nvidia drivers
15:19.35icedwaterTitan8990_: it may be the best, but it's not working for me. It can't find a wireless network though I'm sitting less than 1m from the router.
15:19.40icedwaterenouf: Hmm. OK.
15:19.50Titan8990_icedwater, and you followed the steps I just said?
15:20.04icedwaterTitan8990_: guide me through that? I'm new to the actual debian thing. Used to Ubuntu, but *buntu refused to work on my computer.
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15:20.34icedwaterTitan8990_: from what I gather, you're suggesting I make a custom kernel?
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15:20.42Titan8990_icedwater, when did I say that?
15:20.43icedwaterOr does madwifi work as a kernel module?
15:20.43lolufailso, and recommendations about that damn package?
15:20.52Titan8990_icedwater, madwifi is a kernel module
15:20.54icedwaterI don't know about madwifi.
15:20.56icedwaterAh, OK.
15:21.08Titan8990_icedwater, http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=madwifi-ng&DokuWiki=61893521ae095e2e326c7ea8dba6133d
15:21.20icedwaterWell, that's strange, because the card is the same class as on my EeePC ... and that one seems to be working fine with the ath5k module.
15:21.28Titan8990_icedwater, follow that, and don't forget to add ath5k and ath9k to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
15:21.57Titan8990_icedwater, i have never tried to mess with ath5k, it has limited injection support
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15:23.21icedwaterSo ... I just follow the instructions on this page?
15:23.23abrotmanicedwater: you should be using ath5k or ath9k most likely
15:23.37adb<PROTECTED>
15:23.40icedwaterabrotman: It's just been suggested I should use madwifi instead.
15:23.53abrotmanit's dead upstream
15:23.56icedwateradb: Where could I try getting the zd1211rw driver?
15:24.09icedwaterAlso, the card is recognised and all, it just doesn't find any networks.
15:24.22Titan8990_icedwater, take abrotman's advice, I am really just a gentoo user that uses debian at work...
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15:24.36adbdpkg: tell icedwater -about ath5k
15:24.39enouficedwater: /msg dpkg blacklist ; see e wiki.debian.org about it all too
15:24.48adbdpkg: tell icedwater -about zd1211rw
15:25.00potempkincusco:  as root:  du -hs /the/path/you/want/to/check/* | sort -nr
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15:25.16enoufTitan8990_: i like your style though - BTW, what does injection support allow for? spoofing packets?
15:25.36enoufTitan8990_: /me is wifi ignorant
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15:26.26Titan8990_enouf, not really spoof
15:26.28icedwaterWhat is injection? :P
15:26.28LoloftheRingshi all, I'm trying to setup a static ip address through /etc/network/interfaces, but when I enter settings from a quick google search, I can only reach local servers. Any ideas?
15:26.28Titan8990_enouf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_security#Network_injection
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15:27.10Titan8990_injection is a method of getting an access point to produce traffic so that it can be captured and analyzed
15:27.33potempkinLoloftheRings: do you have a DNS server and gateway configured
15:28.14LoloftheRingspotempkin, afaik. yes. I succesfully configured static adress on other systems such as ubuntu..
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15:28.41potempkinLoloftheRings: you can't ping anything outside your local?  did you try traceroute?
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15:29.02Titan8990_LoloftheRings, here is an example of what it should look like: http://pastebin.com/d2f270c5f
15:29.05LoloftheRingspotempkin, nope. I just tried to ping
15:29.10Akufenwhat could be the reason of a portscan showing port 25 as filtered?
15:29.24Akufenserver is not behind a firewall or router..
15:29.32enoufTitan8990_: thanks ... (/me needs to go afk now)
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15:29.41Akufenand the ISP is not block it, they say
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15:29.45Akufenblocking*
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15:30.07Titan8990_Akufen, at some point it is hitting a device that is firewalled or is using NAT to route
15:30.11LoloftheRingspotempkin, could it be possible that I'm missing resolvconf?
15:30.13Akufenservices also lists port 25 and it's not commented out
15:30.15abrotmanicedwater: what is the actual chpiset ?
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15:30.46AkufenTitan8990_ but the server is connected to a switch, not a router, switches wouldn't do that right?
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15:31.02icedwaterabrotman: Wait, let me see.
15:31.18potempkinLoloftheRings: I assume your router can ping out, right?
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15:31.37abrotmanicedwater: you also might want to try the kernels from backports.org
15:31.38LoloftheRingspotempkin, I guess so ;)
15:31.48icedwaterabrotman: It claims to be a AR242x
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15:31.52Titan8990_Akufen, depends on if it is a managed switch
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15:32.02icedwaterWhat about backports.org?
15:32.08Titan8990_Akufen, if the switch is operating on layer 2 or layer 3
15:32.23potempkinLoloftheRings: you might want to double-check, unless you know that other hosts on your LAN can reach the outside.
15:32.31lucas_I know nothing about Debian whatsoever
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15:32.37Titan8990_icedwater, that is the chipset I am running madwifi on
15:32.48AkufenTitan8990_ hm I see, it's a cheap d-link switch, so I doubt it would be doing that
15:32.53abrotmanicedwater: are you manually loading the madwifi/ath5k or is it doing it on its own ?
15:32.54LoloftheRingspotempkin, yes, other hosts can ping outside my local network
15:33.01abrotmanhttp://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw
15:33.01lucas_it's installed on a Gumstix embedded chip, which includes both a wireless 802.11 antenna and a hard-wired ethernet adapter
15:33.02Titan8990_Akufen, does the switch have its own IP addy?
15:33.09lucas_I can't get either of them to work
15:33.10abrotmanAfter being acquired by Atheros, the ZyDAS ZD1211B chipset was rebranded as the "Atheros AR5007UG" (also known as AR2524/AR5524). Devices with chipsets bearing these names are also supported.
15:33.26AkufenTitan8990_ no not afaik, problem is I'm not at the same location to check it out
15:33.41abrotmanicedwater: lsusb -v .. what is the USB ID ?
15:34.00potempkinLoloftheRings: do you know an IP that's outside your network?  If you can ping that IP, then at least you know that packets are getting out, and that perhaps DNS is the problem.
15:34.03Akufenis there any reason debian itself could show the port as filtered without iptables?
15:34.28abrotmanyes
15:34.35LoloftheRingspotempkin, could be the problem, ping returns me: unknown host: www.google.com
15:34.58Akufenabrotman, was that a yes to my question?
15:35.01LoloftheRingsbe right back
15:35.13fluxdudedoes debian have anything similar to redhat's satellite server?
15:35.27fluxdudehow do debian people manage large numbers of servers, patching etc?
15:35.27abrotmanAkufen: but likely it's your ISP that is filtering it
15:35.29Titan8990_Akufen, no, without a firewall in place the packet will be sent back giving nmap the "closed" result, not filtered
15:35.36abrotmanfluxdude: i told you yesterday
15:35.40potempkinLoloftheRings: try to ping 66.249.89.104 (that's a Google box)
15:35.41fluxdudeother than rolling your own.
15:35.42enouficedwater: run update-pciids ; update-usbids (< icedwater> Though ... I am not sure why lspci doesn't show me what the card actually is.) .. though possible not even the pccid DB has all the info yet -- /me really goes
15:35.56Akufenabrotman well I called them twice already, they assured me it isn't :/
15:35.59fluxdudeabrotman: i know, but I was wondering is there was anyone else with other ideas
15:36.15fluxdudepuppet/cfengine are ok, but rolling your own isn't as good as having an official built thing to use
15:36.33icedwaterabrotman: I don't think lsusb would have it, it's an internal card ... checking nonetheless.
15:36.35fluxdudehence the first question regarding is there any similar tool to redhat's satellite server
15:36.52Titan8990_Akufen, doesn't mean your not behind NAT... you have a switch but no router/gateway?
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15:37.17AkufenTitan8990_ nope, the router is behind the switch
15:37.21Titan8990_icedwater, some internal wifi shows up as usb
15:37.25LoloftheRings1potempkin, It's clearly working now, no idea why. Thanks for help anyway
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15:37.34potempkinno worries
15:37.44LoloftheRings1cu
15:37.44Titan8990_Akufen, so everything connected to the switch has a public WAN address?
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15:38.03icedwaterTitan8990_: fair enough, actually. But it doesn't show up here.
15:38.09AkufenTitan8990_ yep, the server is getting the right static IP address I configured today
15:38.18potempkinHmmm...anyone have any idea about my MadWifi issues posted earlier?
15:38.21icedwaterI noticed the webcam and bluetooth are USB devices. The rest are just hubs.
15:38.29AkufenTitan8990_ the ports below 1024 are not filtered on that static ip address
15:38.31Titan8990_Akufen, and your default route is your ISP's router?
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15:39.13icedwaterabrotman: I checked the PCI ID, it's [168c:001c]. That means AR5007EG I believe.
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15:39.26AkufenTitan8990_ uhm yes.. if I understand you correctly, there's nothing fancy happening
15:39.36icedwaterAs such, I'm checking out madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6 instead of trunk.
15:39.36Titan8990_Akufen, only smtp is showing filtered?
15:39.52adbjudd: pciid 168c:001c
15:39.54juddadb: [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k
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15:40.05AkufenTitan8990_ no, quite a few, but port 80 was filtered before switching to the static ip, that one is open now, want a paste of the ports?
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15:40.28Titan8990_Akufen, sure
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15:41.00Akufenhttp://bin.cakephp.org/view/1596485443
15:41.17icedwateradb: I'm checking out the code as per instructions on the aircrack-ng site Titan8990_ showed earlier.
15:41.53AkufenTitan8990_ looks just like your avarage router firewall, with the netbus and subseven stuff
15:42.18Akufenbut I suppose those might be an ISP setting too
15:42.18campassito install from usb, i'm simply supposed to download this http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ ..... dd it to a flash drive, and then copy an ISO to the flash drive?  if so.. it's not working
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15:45.43campassi:-(
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15:47.35AkufenTitan8990_ if the switch isn't using NAT, it cannot be filtering those ports right?
15:47.36Titan8990Akufen, don't know what to tell you, there IS a firewall or NAT device between you and what your scanning
15:47.50icedwateradb: It looks like installing zd1211 stuff would be cleaner, if it works.
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15:48.01icedwaterWhich should I get, -module or -firmware?
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15:48.10Titan8990Akufen, and I personally doubt its the switch
15:48.32Titan8990Akufen, http://pastebin.com/d456fc3b4    this is a scan with only a switch and no firewall in between
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15:49.02poisonbitdpkg-buildpackage takes advantage of env. CONCURRENCY_LEVEL ? or its only for make-kpkg ?
15:49.03Titan8990Akufen, ports that are not open, are closed... if you use ADSL/DSL, their modems are actually routers
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15:49.38AkufenTitan8990 it's a cable connection, our ISP helpdesk also suggested rebooting the modem, but it didn't help
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15:50.17Titan8990_Akufen, they filter it and their low level tech support has no idea because they really know nothing about tcp/ip
15:50.25Titan8990_Akufen, thats my opinion
15:50.33enoufpoisonbit: see man dpkg-buildpackage and the -c option IIRC
15:50.39AkufenTitan8990 usually I'd agree with you but this wasn't low level tech support
15:50.54AkufenTitan8990 he used strange wordings like mac address :P
15:51.27Akufenit's the "pro helpdesk" for office lines
15:51.41enoufpoisonbit: sorry - i meant -j http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472337
15:51.58Titan8990_your lucky, last time I was on tech support with an ISP, I kept trying to tell him we were using MPLS and were not on a 192.168.1.0 network, but he would not understand
15:52.06poisonbitenouf, sorry i don't see -c in lenny dpkg-buildpackage man page
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15:52.17poisonbitbut i'm going to read it :)
15:52.25icedwateradb: I've installed zd1211-firmware.
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15:53.26AkufenTitan8990 yeah, as soon as you divert from their default questionnaire things get ugly
15:53.36icedwaterBrb, rebooting.
15:53.40poisonbitenouf, -jjobs  that was, thanks a lot
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15:54.01Akufenalright, I'll do some more phonecalls after dinner, thanks for the suggestions
15:54.41Titan8990Akufen, is this comcast or roadrunner cable?
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15:55.03Akufennope, I'm in belgium
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15:55.35Titan8990Akufen, ah, europe has much better ISPs then we get in the states
15:56.26cantidoreally? maybe that's a joke? heh
15:56.43campassieurope has better ISPs?
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15:56.48campassiyou mean, big brother ISPs?
15:57.06LordofthePingsbig brother?
15:57.07Titan8990i mean their ISPs don't have monopolies like they do in the states
15:57.13LordofthePingsthere are gov. run ISP?
15:57.18LordofthePingswhere?
15:57.18Titan8990and they don't have as many restrictions on what you can and can't do
15:57.36ranixthis is an off-topic conversation
15:57.41Titan8990yes, it is
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15:58.00AkufenTitan8990 well, Belgium is the odd one out when it comes to good isp's
15:58.26cantidoOT: but european isps do all sorts of shit like traffic shaping,.. so yeah
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15:58.37Akufennot that I can complain about the connection, that is fine, but they customer support, prices, policies..
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15:58.48Akufenand it's basically a monopoloy so there's not much you can do
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15:58.52ranix!ot
15:58.52dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.  #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:59.01Akufenok ok, I'm out then :)
15:59.11rothwell'lo... anyone in here *not* had trouble with onboard realtek r8169 chips?
15:59.15rothwellseems easier to ask that first...
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15:59.57bheronHey guys...  I just did a dist-upgrade to Lenny this morning and everything is working except that I get a segfault whenever I use subversion.
16:00.02bheronis this a known issue?
16:00.04lucas_is there some sort of driver I need to get this ethernet adapter to register a link?
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16:00.13lucas_I'm working completely in the dark
16:00.17sigmonsaysHow do I tell what repo a packagae came from?
16:00.18cantidobheron: known issues would be in the BTS
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16:02.20cantidorothwell: I think I have some machines with that chip
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16:03.09bheronI think I'm having "deeper issues" :)
16:03.17oxiis there a graphical tool to browse .deb files?
16:04.00oxisomething like the 7Zip GUI or WinRAR or Springy or other
16:04.11cantidooxi: debs are AR archives iirc
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16:04.33rothwellcantido: seem to be having a problem getting it working. ifconfig appears to show it dropping millions (literally) of packets a second
16:04.40rothwelljust reading up, may have a solution
16:04.47cantidorothwell: stable?
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16:05.01rothwellsqueeze
16:05.12\amethystoxi:  file-roller can open them
16:05.24bheronWell...
16:05.33bheronthe updated/upgrade didn't work so hot.
16:05.36oxiamethyst: thanks!
16:05.44oxicantido: I see, thanks!
16:05.50adbsigmonsays:  apt-cache policy  packagename
16:06.02cantidorothwell: mmm I have two boxes with that chipset and I haven't seen any issues with lenny or squeeze, seems to be a pretty stable driver
16:06.03bheronI seem to have various issues all over.   A clean install is the name of the game at this point.
16:06.51tuxcrafterfor the last few days my thunderbird has been unsable slow after some updates but i cant find the issue i have bene backporting packges but so far no luck, i am using unstable, does somebody recognise the issue
16:07.05cantidobheron: You might just have a corrupt lib somewhere
16:07.12tuxcrafter/thunderbird/icedove/
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16:07.18bheronShall I spend 10 hours ferreting it out?
16:07.19tester1234hi all
16:07.23bheronOr 2 reinstalling?
16:07.26tester1234is there a gui addon for clive
16:07.31cantidobheron: debsums
16:07.59bheroncantido, doesn't seem to be a command on my system.
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16:08.59cantidoor just mark all the packages that subversion depends on and subversion for reinstall
16:09.17bheronI tried reinstalling subversion.
16:09.31bheronThe segfault seems to happen in libc.so.6
16:09.35bheronin free()
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16:09.56bheronalso... I'm getting undefined symbols when building things that I didn't get under etch.
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16:10.27cantidoso you have a library issue then
16:11.29bheronI'll try to find it before I take drastic action.
16:11.47bheronI guess it just bugs me that it failed to "just work" ;)
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16:12.33cantidoeverything should be in a statically linked single executable
16:12.41cantido:)
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16:14.16bheronYeah... that would make things simpler, wouldn't it? ;)
16:14.27dazjorzI have a question about `dpkg`: According to ldd, it does not link dynamically against gettext, yet it is localized. I can't find any specific rules in debian/rules about it; and debian/control doesn't even contain "gettext"
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16:15.12shaullxi copied libflashplayer.so to ".mozilla/plugins/" and run the in terminal "nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so" restarted iceweasel and still no flash
16:15.27shaullxwhat am i doing wrong:(
16:15.29dazjorzshaullx: do you see it in about:plugins ?
16:15.37shaullxsec ill check
16:15.56shaullxit says no plugins are installed
16:16.09cantidodo you even need to copy it there? I thought the non-free flash package put it in the global plugins
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16:16.52shaullxi don't know i can't use apt-get its a server i have a vnc access but not root
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16:17.23shaullxso whats wrong:(
16:17.26rothwellbizarre... chip just started working without me touching it...
16:18.24happydufussarc3: if you search you will findd a number of themes available, as to making you own in memory serves me right you will nee to be familiar with programing c (or similar)
16:18.31sigmonsaysadb, ahhh, there it is.cheers
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16:19.35shaullxhmm anyone?
16:19.47ChubbzCan someone help me with synaptic? I'm trying to reinstall a package and it keeps saying "Unable to lock download Directory", I've rebooted twice and used "sudo pkill apt" with no luck, any ideas?
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16:21.04cantidoChubbz: try running apt-get or aptitude manually, you might have a stale lock
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16:21.13cantidoChubbz: apt-get should tell you whats up
16:21.34Chubbzcantido: ive run apt-get update about 10 times with no such luck
16:21.45cantidoChubbz: what output do you get?
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16:22.10Chubbzcantido: no errors, it jsut updates the package lists
16:23.55Chubbzcantido: where is the synaptic download directory? can't I jsut go there and delete the lock file?
16:24.32teddy_is there any problems with using those motherboards with fakeraid? Is it not a hardware version of mdadm?
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16:26.22CutMeOwnThroatChubbz, generally packages go to /var/cache/apt/archive/ - shouldn't be different with synaptic
16:26.53CutMeOwnThroatChubbz, you could "strace -f -F -e open synaptic [...options...]" and see for sure
16:26.53ChubbzCutMeOwnThroat: found it, thnx
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16:28.44ChubbzOk... deleted the lock file in /var/cache/apt/archives with no avail
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16:31.01shaullxyour architcture \'x86_64\' is not supported by the adobe flash player installer how can i install? :(
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16:33.25Chubbzshaullx: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
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16:36.53roddersI need help in connection my Pocket PC (in mass storage mode) to my system.  The PPC is recognised as a storage device under Windoze but is regjectd by deb
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16:41.23rothwellany grub experts about?
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16:41.36rothwellhaving trouble determining which device to tell grub to boot XP from
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16:41.47rothwellit's certainly on /dev/sdb somewhere
16:41.54Chubbzrothwell: what partition is windows installed on?
16:41.56chellomererothwell, fdisk -l
16:42.02rothwellbut the windows installer did something unexpected and my main drive is "H:"
16:42.08rothweller, partition, rather
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16:42.28Chubbzno, which /dev/sdb? partition
16:42.55rothwelljust waiting for it to boot so i can find out
16:43.58Chubbzrothwell: check gparted to find out which partition it is
16:44.05Titan8990_is mod_ssl in the standard apache2 package?
16:44.32Chubbzthen the rood device in your boot command will be [1, partition - 1]
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16:45.26tester1234anyone get that ?
16:45.43tester1234if there is no gui for clive anyone have any command line syntax i can follow for a quick download ?
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16:46.08chellomereTitan8990, yes.
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16:47.00rothwellChubbz: appears to be /dev/sdb1... hd(1,0)
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16:47.33Chubbzso then the root device in your boot stanza is hd(1,0) dont forget to add makeactive and chainloader +1
16:48.08Titan8990_What is the method of generating a SSL cert for apache2 in lenny?
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16:48.47shaullxok i installed flash player it appears on about:plugins but when i try to see flash video or anything iceweasel crush
16:48.52shaullxcrash
16:49.11stewshaullx: sounds about right
16:49.30Chubbzshaullx: it is an alpha, so this is to be expected
16:49.59Chubbzshaullx: did you try to install the flash package out of the repos?
16:50.17rothwellChubbz: yeah, i have the makeactive and chainloader lines but grub just says "Unknown fileystem type 0x7" and not much else (blinking cursor)
16:50.41shaullxso its alpha that doesnt work at all? :|
16:50.45Chubbzis it fat32 or ntfs?
16:50.46rothweller, no, let me rephrase
16:50.58Chubbzshaullx: it depends
16:50.59rothwell"Unknown filesystem type, partition type 0x7"
16:51.01rothwellNTFS
16:51.08Chubbzshaullx: it works beautifully for me
16:51.09rothwellit's a new XP SP3 install
16:51.21shaullxwell it crashes when ever i try to use it
16:51.43Chubbzshaullx: is your iceweasel updated all the way?
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16:52.02Chubbzshaullx: what process did you use to install the plugin?
16:52.17Chubbzrothwell: idk, you might google it and see what you get
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16:52.20shaullxcopied it to the plugins dir
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16:52.24rothwellChubbz: yeah, doing that now
16:52.51chellomererothwell, how are you trying to boot the partition? you're not using chainloading, right?
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16:53.26rothwellchellomere: i think i am
16:53.50icedwaterHmm..
16:54.02Chubbzshaullx: idk
16:54.13Chubbzshaullx: you might try the flash package from the repos
16:54.21chellomererothwell, thing is that grub doesn't need to mount the fs to be able to boot it when using chainloading, and thus it wouldn't care about the file system.
16:54.32icedwateradb: Hello, I tried zd1211-modules and it didn't improve the wireless situation for me. Is there something else I should be doing other than just apt-get install?
16:55.33chellomererothwell, basically, to boot using chainloading: title foo, rootnoverify (hdx,x), makeactive, chainloader +1
16:55.46yareckonhappy weekend... see y'all later
16:55.48rothwellthat's what i have except for 'root' instead of 'rootnoverify'
16:55.50rothwelli'll try that npow
16:55.53rothwell*now
16:55.56icedwaterOh, hmm... I think I remember I should be blacklisting the ath5k drivers as well.
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16:56.08wildc4rdevenin' all
16:56.21JJOliverevening wildc4rd. How ya doing?
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16:57.07academyI have a jfs filesystem which crashed.  It originally had errors but fsck corrected them and it's now marked as clean.  The problem is now that if I run fsck or mount on it, the process hangs.  Any ideas?
16:57.18JJOlivergrooves to the pleasant sounds of Get Cape, Wear Cap, Fly . . .
16:57.27ranixJJOliver: please knock it off
16:57.44JJOliverbows and leaves.
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16:59.00rothwellchellomere: hm, weird. rootnoverify gets rid of the unknown filesystem warning but the system still doesn't come up, just hangs after the chainloader +1 line
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16:59.11rothwellboots ok if i change bios settings to boot that drive first
16:59.56rothwellah, wait
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17:00.05rothwell"If you have installed DOS (or Windows) on a non-first hard disk, you have to use the disk swapping technique, because that OS cannot boot from any disks but the first one."
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17:00.52chellomererothwell, that's not true I believe, probably outdated
17:01.15rothwelli don't seem to have much else to go on at this point...
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17:01.37Chubbzrothwell: have you tried mapping the drives?
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17:01.49rothwellthat's what that section in the manual suggests
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17:02.00rothwellabout to try it
17:02.01ranixrothwell: the NT bootloader has a stub in the mbr (first 440 bytes of the disk) that calls and loads NTLDR from the primary partition of the primary hard disk drive
17:02.19ranixrothwell: From there, NTLDR performs the rest of the boot process
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17:02.34ranixrothwell: you may be reading something that's using the NT bootloader to start stuff
17:02.44rothwellhttp://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#DOS_002fWindows
17:02.47ranixrothwell: with grub these days, that's not necessary
17:02.55ranixgrub can invoke NTLDR for you
17:03.02nergarhello, can anyone help me find info about my ram? i need to upgrade it. lshw is not of much help.
17:03.28ranixgrub loading NTLDR is called chain-loading IIRC
17:03.36ranixa bootloader that invokes another bootloader
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17:06.48rothwellspecifying map (hd0) (hd1)    map (hd1) (hd0)  worked
17:06.57rothwellthanks for the assistance, all
17:06.58ranixrad, gj rothwell
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17:11.27alsa!apt-spy
17:11.27dpkga secret!  Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
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17:12.52CutMeOwnThroathow do you give tar multiple exclude patterns "--exclude=pattern1 --exclude=pattern2"? And pattern is a regexp, a glob?
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17:13.13paissad-hpif i want to know the architecture of a deb package, how must i proceed please ?
17:13.23abrotmanpaissad-hp: dpkg -I
17:13.32abrotmanthough it's usually in the filename
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17:13.33paissad-hpabrotman, thanks
17:14.12paissad-hpabrotman, but if the package is into the mirror, how to know before running apt-get install
17:14.27tester1234clive anyone ?
17:14.31paissad-hpi need to retreive first i guess, but how ?
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17:15.59abrotmanpaissad-hp: uhm .. if it's your mirror, it should be oyur architecture .. do you have an example?
17:16.17CutMeOwnThroatpaissad-hp, a server can have more than one architecture... your apt-get/aptitude will download packages for your architecture
17:16.33paissad-hpi wan to know the architecture of tcl-8.4 before installing it for example
17:16.50paissad-hpfor amd6(
17:16.54paissad-hpamd65*
17:16.58CutMeOwnThroathehe
17:16.59paissad-hpamd64*
17:17.02tester1234nevermind
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17:17.12tester1234clive only does google and youtube
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17:17.34CutMeOwnThroat!wayttd paissad-hp
17:17.34dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, paissad-hp?
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17:18.11stewpaissad-hp: you'd have to go out of your wait to get a package instaled from the wrong arch
17:18.16stew^wait^way
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17:18.49kamathlnhi.. ekiga depends on libpt-2.6.4
17:18.49lucas_I know nothing about Debian. I have around three or four CF cards with various Debian installs for ARM embedded devices on them.
17:18.52lucas_they don't have the necessary kernel modules to make hardware work effectively.
17:19.09lucas_suppose I would want to start over and install Debian on one of these things. where would I start?
17:19.17valdyn!ig
17:19.17dpkgThe Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual .  See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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17:20.11CutMeOwnThroatoh, cool, there is an ARM specific one
17:20.23lucas_yeah
17:20.27kamathlnhi.. ekiga depends on libpt-2.6.4 ..which is not available .. gnome-desktop-environment depends on ekiga .. gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment
17:20.39lucas_is it possible to install Debian through another running environment?
17:20.42ranixI have run Debian on ARM and Mips systems on several occasions
17:20.46kamathlnso, because of libpt-2.6.4, i canst install gnome
17:20.49kamathlnwow
17:20.56ranixI usually install to a CF card via debootstrap
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17:21.08ranixthere are also excellent cross-compilers available
17:21.17kamathlnsomebody .. tell me what to do!
17:21.20ranixwhat platform are you doing it for?
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17:21.33jackarutuIf I install phpmyadmin on Debian 5.0.2 and fail to find anything in /var/www what mistake have I made?
17:21.35CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions libpt2.6.4
17:21.36juddCutMeOwnThroat: libpt2.6.4 --
17:21.48CutMeOwnThroatkamathln, what version of debian
17:22.15CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions libpt2.6.3
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17:22.16juddCutMeOwnThroat: libpt2.6.3 --
17:22.22lucas_I have a Gumstix Verdex board
17:22.22CutMeOwnThroatwoot
17:22.24Titan8990_jackarutu, you didn't finish setting it up
17:22.28lucas_not sure what kernel modules it needs
17:22.33stewkamathln: this kind of thing should be expected in unstable
17:22.35Titan8990_jackarutu, or read any documentation on how to set it up
17:22.42lucas_also, I'm not running Debian currently, so ... I don't have debootstrap
17:23.04ranixlucas_: you should be able to get a 2.6 kernel from the developers to play with to get a handle on things before you roll your own
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17:23.22JyZyGyZyXdoesn't ext3 offer online resizing?
17:23.27ranixlucas_: I know the tsarm development team has one, I bet gumstix does too
17:23.31CutMeOwnThroatah, unstable - I did see correctly
17:23.40CutMeOwnThroat!sidsmite  kamathln
17:23.40dpkgsmacks kamathln with a crippling libstdc++5 bug
17:23.49ranixlucas_: believe it or not, those guys actually will give you a hand if you telephone them with questions
17:23.57ranixjust don't take up too much of their time
17:24.29ranixcheck their site for a downloadable CD of development tools or call them up and see what they have
17:24.46stewjudd, versions libpt2.6.4 --arch amd64
17:24.47juddstew: libpt2.6.4 -- sid: 2.6.4-1
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17:25.09stewkamathln: its available on other arches, just not i386, check the buildd logs to see if a build was attempted and if so, why it failed
17:25.09JJOliverWhat is the way to see what version of debian I have?
17:25.15ranixmost embedded arm boards have redboot and can load up a whole Debian environment over nfs
17:25.20stewkamathln: perhaps you can get the source and build it yourself
17:25.24Titan8990_JJOliver, cat /etc/issue
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17:25.46CutMeOwnThroatJJOliver, cat /etc/debian_version
17:25.50JJOliverthanks
17:26.03jackarutuTitan8990_ Is installing phpmyadmin more complicated then apt-get install phpmyadmin?
17:26.15JJOliverthanks
17:26.23valdynjackarutu: if you have nothing in /var/www then theres more broken than just phpmyadmin
17:26.53jackarutuvaldyn will I do have the apache default url there
17:26.59Titan8990_jackarutu, yes
17:27.07Titan8990_jackarutu, and... are you kidding me?
17:27.09jackarutubut nothing else
17:27.14kamathlnstew: but once it is installed, how do I tell debian that it is installed?
17:27.16lucas_hey, whaddayaknow
17:27.18valdynjackarutu: and what is in that default url?
17:27.22lucas_debootstrap is available in fedora
17:27.41stewkamathln: you don't have to
17:27.46jackarutuvaldyn the usuall Hello "I'm working"
17:27.47Titan8990_valdyn, by default phpmyadmin needs to either A) symlink the httpd.conf B) copy/link the files to the correct dir
17:27.52kamathlnstew: how come?
17:27.53CutMeOwnThroatkamathln, /msg dpkg ssb - the same procedure applies
17:28.04Titan8990_valdyn, he is just trying to get spoonfed without looking
17:28.15stewkamathln: how are you planning on installing it?
17:28.17kamathlnCutMeOwnThroat: thx
17:28.32valdyni guess im supposed to tell him "RTFM"
17:28.34kamathlnstew: however CutMeOwnThroat sair
17:28.38valdynjackarutu: /usr/share/doc/blah
17:28.39kamathlnsaid*
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17:29.10stewkamathln: you have to tell debian it is installed, becuase when you tell debian to install it, debian will know whether or not it installed it
17:29.24Titan8990_valdyn, yes, people should atleast make an attempt to rtfm, especially with administrative tasks such as that
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17:29.42jackarutuWell Titan8990 actual I have phpmyadmin workin on serveral Ubuntu system so I have read a few wiki and manuals but this is my first dance wiht debian 5.0.2
17:29.43kamathlnstew: brrr. mind twister (am sleepy) thx anywyas
17:29.54Titan8990_valdyn, he read nothing, expected it to magically work and then immediatly came here, thats not the proper way for an admin to get things done
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17:30.44valdynjackarutu: thats pretty evil from ubuntu, exposing such huge attack vector to anyone
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17:30.51valdynjackarutu: *automagically*
17:31.10Titan8990_agreed
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17:32.25jackarutuThose germans taught me to depend on anutomagical when they expose me to Suse but in the mean time are you sugggestion if I don't use RPMs then I'm slacking?
17:32.42valdynjackarutu: what does rpm have to do with it?
17:33.06valdynjackarutu: suse isnt german
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17:33.20CutMeOwnThroatrpm? slacking?
17:33.23CutMeOwnThroatsuse isn't german?
17:33.29jackarutuwell you all acting like its a sin to apt-get the lamp
17:33.31CutMeOwnThroatwasn't
17:33.42valdynjackarutu: no one did that
17:33.52valdynjackarutu: its a sin to not read the README
17:33.59CutMeOwnThroat!suse
17:33.59dpkgrumour has it, suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse on irc.freenode.net, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png  See also <opensuse>.
17:34.12CutMeOwnThroatvaldyn, dpkg agrees with us... 'german'
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17:34.19valdynpff, suse is novell
17:34.22valdynfor years
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17:34.41CutMeOwnThroatonly since they bought it
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17:34.52lucas_I don't know anything about debian
17:34.54CutMeOwnThroatstill started out as small company in germany
17:34.58fxiny3 or 4 years ago ?
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17:34.59lucas_what's the distinction between sarge or whatever?
17:35.04valdynCutMeOwnThroat: like ibm
17:35.24alsahello, trying to install termcap, but it couldn't find the package, "i used the apt-spy for my sources.list
17:35.24valdynnevermind, thats going way offtopic
17:35.41Titan8990_lucas_, they are different versions, you want lenny, the latest stable
17:35.42jackarutuIf Suse isn't german when why are all the packages first letter a hard sounding german K sound?
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17:35.51lucas_thanks sir
17:35.56valdynjackarutu: thats KDE
17:36.25\amethystalsa:  debian uses ncurses for termcap
17:36.40fxinyand the K got nothig to do with german
17:37.19alsa\amethyst: sorry, but didn't get it, how can i install it
17:37.24nkuttlerkde was started mostly by germans afaik. still no reason to stick to the retarded knaming scheme..
17:37.40CutMeOwnThroatvaldyn, eh? IBM started in the US around 1900 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_IBM - do you like making up facts?
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17:38.20valdynCutMeOwnThroat: its not made up, but let me check
17:38.40CutMeOwnThroatI just pasted the wikipedia link
17:38.43\amethystalsa:  are you trying to build a program that needs to link against termcap?  or are you running a program that's linked against libtermcap.so.2 ?
17:39.02fxinytoday naming schemes are pure madness , hard to know what a app name stands for
17:39.05abrotmanvaldyn: i think you're referring to IBM helping the germans in WWII .. and being perfectly happy to take the money
17:39.40nkuttleris a happy command line user
17:39.52valdynabrotman: nah, Im not
17:39.54alsa\amethyst: thanks for you reply, honestly i am trying to install Asterisk, so i need to install termcap before as a requirement, but i don't what termcap does
17:40.26\amethystalsa:  the Debian asterisk package does not depend on termcap
17:40.29valdynabrotman: the found was german american, Herman Hollerith, but i still though theres some roots in Berlin, i seem to be wrong, so far
17:40.34\amethystalsa:  apt-get install asterisk
17:40.48CutMeOwnThroatvaldyn, the founder was of German origin, but born in New York... that doesn't make the company German
17:40.52jackarutuWell guys HerulesP Helped me to ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www/phpmyadmin and all is well now with my url
17:40.56abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: i blame canada
17:41.01valdynCutMeOwnThroat: what i said
17:41.59alsa\amethyst: OK, thank you very much, i was trying to install it from the tar that i download it, anyway, which version it will install now??
17:42.04CutMeOwnThroatstill, suse was a German company until bought by novell - it's kinda like opel which was bought by general motors..
17:42.13paissad-hpi cannot find cairo-dock package for debian , is there into a special mirror i should add to the sources.list ?
17:43.41\amethystalsa:  1.4.21.2 in lenny and squeeze, 1.6.1.0 in unstable
17:43.41mnuhmnuhCutMeOwnThroat: Canada?  And those cyclists too.
17:43.42CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, I think he means you :)
17:43.42alsa\amethyst: Thanks a lot for the info, appreciate
17:43.42abrotmandon't blame me
17:43.42jackarutuCutMeOwnThroat back when I was playing with suse I found it had a greate router package that came with it
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17:47.04sparseI search for some secure webserver but I am not sure if apache is not too complex to configure - I need only static pages, so I would like to disable cgi php and other unnecessary modules. Could anyone advise which modules are absolute necessary?
17:48.00valdynsparse: i dont think any module is necessary
17:48.26icedwaterabrotman: Hello, I'm still confused by the madwifi stuff we were talking about earlier. I'm following the instructions on the aircrack page, but the patch command is not finding the required file to patch.
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17:48.41abrotmani didn't tell you to use madwifi
17:49.17sparsevaldyn: okay, in the default installation of apache2 I see some .load files in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled, so should I disable them all?
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17:50.58icedwaterOK, what should I be using then, please?
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17:51.22jackarutuone has to wonder why I had to manually supply the symlink when Debain depends on apt-get to help install the lamp and make life easy for us lasy people
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17:51.39lucas_does debian use udev?
17:51.39valdynjackarutu: umm
17:51.44chellomerelucas_, yes.
17:51.46linduxedis there a way to limit the "su" command to a specific set of users?
17:51.48lucas_if so, why would I bother making dev nodes?
17:51.57lucas_this install guide is confusing
17:51.58icedwaterTitan8990_: Incidentally, the madwifi stuff on the aircrack page isn't working out that well for me. I am checking out the hal version. Should I not be doing that?
17:51.59chellomereyou don't
17:52.00valdynlucas_: dont make dev nodes
17:52.09chellomerelucas_, which install guide?
17:52.09valdynlucas_: which install guide are you talking of?
17:52.29lucas_can I just do rm -rf /dev/* off everything put on by debootstrap?
17:52.31valdynlinduxed: not really
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17:52.35lucas_http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/arm/apds03.html.en#id3035557
17:52.38Titan8990_icedwater, yes, ath_hal should work but make sure you make uninstall the existing driver
17:52.48frguWhat is this
17:52.53CutMeOwnThroatjackarutu, back when I was using it, yasts intrusive tinkering with all config files drove me to insanity... actually I found debian has a hold on just as many - but at least there's always a comment in that file saying 'dont edit this file, edit that one instead'
17:52.55Titan8990_icedwater, also, there may be debian specific instructions on the madwifi site
17:52.57valdynlinduxed: so is only an interface to something that can be done by any user
17:53.01frguhttp://xs141.xs.to/xs141/09305/screenshot533.png
17:53.01valdynlinduxed: su is only an interface to something that can be done by any user
17:53.10icedwaterAlso, abrotman: might I hear from you regarding your suggestions when you have the time?
17:53.11frguWhy is it giving me that message
17:53.15CutMeOwnThroatand Debian doesn't actually touch config files in /etc that have been changed
17:53.26linduxedvaldyn: oh
17:53.39fxinylinduxed: i use wheel group
17:53.45\amethystlinduxed:  it's possible to do so in the pam config
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17:54.21fxinylinduxed: pam_wheel
17:54.28frguwhy are these xulrunner updates NOT AUTHENTICATE
17:54.29\amethystlinduxed:  man pam_wheel  and look in /etc/pam.d/su
17:54.29frguD
17:54.31jackarutuDoes Debain have anything to help wiht withdrawl pains for sudoers?
17:54.38valdynwhat would be the point of that?
17:54.43valdynsu needs a root password
17:54.54valdynas does a login prompt
17:54.57linduxed\amethyst: hmmm, will check that
17:55.03\amethystvaldyn:  to prevent brute-forcing by your users?
17:55.11valdyn\amethyst: ok, agreed
17:55.17lucas_and is it possible to build or install a kernel that would go into a Debian system from within Fedora?
17:55.20icedwaterjackarutu: Can't you sudo on Debian?
17:55.22jackarutuvaldyn yes it does but foir all those of use whom Ubuntu taught nto to work in root we find it hard
17:55.40valdynjackarutu: sudo is something else, that is also available in debian
17:56.02\amethystyou can even use both su and sudo on the same system
17:56.10jackarutubut it's doesn't come wihtout pain, yes?
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17:56.26CutMeOwnThroat\amethyst, so they wouldn't brute-force against the sudoers accounts password instead?
17:56.34valdynjackarutu: if configuring = pain, then you are right
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17:57.40CutMeOwnThroathehe... what to say... www.mp3lyrics.org/g/guano-apes/we-use-the-pain/
17:58.13jackarutuvaldyn it's just that use ubuntu users have been told we are related to you debs so it hard to think it doesn't come out of the install with sudo already running
17:58.34CutMeOwnThroatWe use the pain, for our fantasy // We need some pain, to find the right way // We love the pain and want some more of it // Control the pain, chicken head
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17:58.49valdynjackarutu: i wasnt really referring to you before, that was linduxed who wanted to restrict "su"
17:58.53\amethystCutMeOwnThroat:  if they know which users have permissions to sudo... but I was talking about why you would restrict su-to-root to the wheel group, which is orthogonal to sudo
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17:58.55Withouthow can i raid 2 harddisk into 1 ?
17:59.01icedwaterjackarutu: I'm not sure what you're talking about ... sudo worked fine without any configuration on my debian install.
17:59.04Withouti'm on debian lenny
17:59.06CutMeOwnThroat\amethyst, ah, right
17:59.17valdynWithout: aptitude install mdadm, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm
17:59.17icedwaterOh wait, I added my username into sudoers :P Sorry.
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17:59.44jackarutubash: sudo: command not found!!!
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17:59.52valdyn!installit
17:59.52dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
18:00.26sparsevaldyn: sorry, did you get me?
18:00.37icedwaterjackarutu: Default debian install? Interesting. I got the default one too, and mine's in. It's amd64, incidentally, they might have chosen to package it here, I dunno.
18:00.44icedwaterI'm using debian lenny as well.
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18:00.45valdynsparse: yea, but why dont you just try it
18:00.55valdynsparse: not like a2enmod and a2dismod are hard to use...
18:01.38valdynsparse: apache2 can be complex but you dont really need to configure anything
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18:02.12CutMeOwnThroaticedwater, the installer asks you if you want sudo
18:02.15valdynsparse: you also dont need to disable modules
18:02.20CutMeOwnThroatgot nothing to do with architecture
18:02.38valdynthe debian installer actually asks for sudo now?
18:02.46jackarutuicewater this is my first amd64 install
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18:03.13icedwaterHmm... maybe I didn't see that option, or I automatically said yes?
18:03.24jackarutubut I would think it shouldn't be much different in the inclues from 1386, why would it?
18:03.27icedwaterI only recall an option to set a separate root account, etc.
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18:03.40icedwaterYeah I don't think it's got much to do with architecture either.
18:03.52valdynicedwater: an option to set the password, the root account is mandatory
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18:04.11icedwaterYes, my bad, valdyn :P
18:04.20icedwaterI'm still trying to wrap my head around madwifi.
18:04.35icedwaterI have just blacklisted ath5k, gonna reboot again.
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18:05.04jackarututhe only thing I didn't see when I was installing was a net-install option
18:05.07icedwaterTitan8990_: how do I make uninstall the existing ath_pci driver?
18:06.58jackarutuNo /etc/sudoers found... creating one for you.
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18:07.18jackarututhat god for apt-get
18:07.24mnuhmnuh!rmmod
18:07.24dpkgsomebody said rmmod was a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead
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18:10.57Akuwi just installed nfs-kernel-server
18:11.18Akuwbut i can't find exports file, i know should be located in /etc
18:11.24Akuwbut is no there
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18:12.16asgAkuw: /usr/share/doc/nfs-kernel-server/README* should tell you what to do. There is likely an example exports file in that directory also.
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18:17.10CutMeOwnThroatAkuw, create it?
18:18.13Akuwthe rare thing is there is no exports file
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18:18.36Withouthow can i know there's 2 harddisk on debian?
18:18.42Withoutany commandS?
18:18.50CutMeOwnThroatdmesg?
18:19.03CutMeOwnThroat!what's my hardware
18:19.04dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!  If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation.  See also <myram>.
18:19.04f3dfdisk -l
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18:19.17CutMeOwnThroatf3d, no
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18:19.53AkuwCutMeOwnThroat: are you there?
18:20.04icedwaterWithout: try df to see if they're mounted?
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18:20.20Withoutdf = ?
18:20.40CutMeOwnThroatam I where
18:20.49pickcoderwouldn't mount be more suited?
18:20.52chellomereicedwater, how could df help?
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18:21.33dec3pti0nI have downloaded a lenny pkg source that I need to make a couple of changes for my system but after gunzip the orig.tar.gz ther eis no debian folder
18:22.03icedwaterI don't know, perhaps the filesystems on those disks were already mounted.
18:22.09WithoutHitachi HDT721010SLA360 this is harddisk right?
18:22.12dec3pti0nthere is also a diff file
18:22.13CutMeOwnThroatdec3pti0n, apt-get -b <package>?
18:22.13icedwaterMust be the Ubuntu talking, forgive me :P
18:22.43lxsameerdec3pti0n, i thinks there should not be any
18:22.53CutMeOwnThroaterr dec3pti0n, apt-get source -b <package>?
18:23.00dec3pti0nCutMeOwnThroat, but that's gonna build the src pkg which I cannot do on this system
18:23.02Withoutata1.00: ATA-8: Hitachi HDT721010SLA360, ST6OA3AA, max UDMA/133
18:23.02Withoutata3.00: ATA-8: Hitachi HDT721010SLA360, ST6OA3AA, max UDMA/133
18:23.06Withoutmeans i got 2 hdd ?
18:23.12Withouthow can i raid into 2TB
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18:24.30dec3pti0nCutMeOwnThroat, I wanted the source so that I could check the debian files, make some changes and then move them to the new app release version
18:24.57CutMeOwnThroatdec3pti0n, it still unpacks it for you :) I forgot the option to just unpack
18:24.57dec3pti0nsince lenny has an older version
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18:24.57icedwaterAny idea what I could do with my atheros wireless card, guys? I'm a bit confused by madwifi, are there alternatives to using madwifi?
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18:25.11dec3pti0nCutMeOwnThroat, cool let me see if I can dl it that way on another sytem
18:25.17icedwaterMy system uses ath5k by default, but while the wireless card is detected and loaded, it can't scan for any wireless networks.
18:26.02jackarutuwithout this is a program called "mdadm" that handles software RAID
18:27.17jackarutuhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm
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18:28.40lxsameercan i use more that a mirror with debian-cd ?
18:28.40Withouti tried the commands & replies
18:28.41Withoutmdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: No such device or address
18:28.42Withoutmdadm: Cannot open /dev/sde1: No such device or address
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18:29.21CutMeOwnThroaticedwater, abrotman already told you? ... /msg dpkg atheros  and follow they <keywords> through to your specific case
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18:30.01abrotmanactually .. the ath5k says it's not ath5k
18:30.03abrotman!ath5k
18:30.03dpkg[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets.  See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices.  Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24.  NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead.  For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>.  See also <backports.org>, <wireless tree>.
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18:30.20jackarutuWithout give this a good read: http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Raid
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18:32.28lucas_how do I install a kernel into this debootstrap'd filesystem?
18:32.28icedwaterCutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I lost it in the scrollback.
18:32.39lucas_I can't chroot into it because the executables are all in ARM format
18:32.43racecar56yay #2 for guessing the wrong port
18:32.46lucas_I don't have apt
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18:33.25CutMeOwnThroat\o/ for ia32-libs
18:33.54CutMeOwnThroatI never knew so much of the non-freeish can-get-the-source stuff I have was really 32-bit only
18:35.07racecar56why isn't my system upgrading to 5.0.2 from 5.0.0? i installed from the cd
18:35.39CutMeOwnThroatpastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
18:35.55CutMeOwnThroator /msg dpkg sources.list and check it yourself
18:36.29g00selucas_: Why don't you have apt?
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18:37.09racecar56http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f690a731b /etc/apt/sources.list
18:37.12lucas_because this computer is using Fedora
18:37.21racecar56fail
18:37.36lucas_it's not like I have a choice
18:37.41racecar56wouldn't you be in #fedora?
18:37.41lucas_and I hate Linux anywa
18:37.44chellomerelucas_, qemu
18:37.54ranixwtf you hate linux
18:37.58ranixwhat are you doing here
18:38.11ranixand why are you installing debian on gumstix boards if you hate linux
18:38.12g00selucas_: So you've installed Debian by debootstrap or what?
18:38.15lucas_what's the alternative?
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18:38.35racecar56unix?
18:38.37racecar56:P
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18:38.40lucas_g00se: yep, debootstrap after making a new ext3 fs on a SD card
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18:39.03g00selucas_: Well then you should have installed apt automatically
18:39.03lucas_it's all ready to go, added fstab, networking interfaces, hostname, various other configuration details, all that stuff
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18:39.39CutMeOwnThroatracecar56, seems ok... you could comment out the cdrom: entry, as you likely don't keep the install cd inside... you run "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade"?
18:39.52lucas_aptitude isn't present, and even if it were, I'd need to use the SD volume as root
18:40.03ranixdon't run aptitude on embedded devices
18:40.05CutMeOwnThroatracecar56, you also likely don't need the volatile repro...
18:40.05ranixuse apt-get
18:40.10g00selucas_: I didn't mention aptitude
18:40.12racecar56CutMeOwnThroat: my internet is terrible so i want to keep the cdrom
18:40.18lucas_this installation guide did
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18:40.54g00selucas_: YOU mentioned apt
18:40.56lucas_all I have on this Fedora install is apt, nothing else, and I'm not sure how to use it to install a kernel to a debootstrap'd dir
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18:41.07lucas_if there's another way to install the kernel I'll do it
18:41.18g00seapt-get install linux-imagexxxxx
18:41.29lucas_apt-get is not present here, and ... god, why am I even trying
18:41.50ranixlucas_: I find your attitude offensive
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18:42.52g00selucas_: If it isn't present then your debootstrap failed in some mysterious way
18:43.31lucas_it's there, on the card, but I'm on an x86 computer, not an ARM chip that could run it
18:43.34racecar56CutMeOwnThroat: hmmmmmmm aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade dosen't do it
18:43.39lucas_can't boot the chip without a kernel
18:43.51lucas_can't install the kernel without apt-get (?)
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18:44.13racecar56CutMeOwnThroat: maybe it mysteriously IS 5.0.2 but i don't know it, do you know how i could find out?
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18:44.24lemdanyone at debconf?
18:44.27CutMeOwnThroatcat /etc/debian_version
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18:44.44lucas_is there anything to prevent me from downloading the package with the desired kernel, finding some sort of way to extract the archive, and copying it all in myself?
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18:45.01ranixlucas_: debootstrap will install apt on your target
18:45.11CutMeOwnThroatlucas_, only common sense
18:45.18lucas_yes, and it's an apt that I can't run on this processor
18:46.07abrotmanlemd: lots of people .. why?
18:46.11lucas_hmm. what I have in Fedora as 'apt' is something to do with Java
18:46.22lucas_preprocessor stuff
18:46.29racecar56CutMeOwnThroat: "5.0.2" it is
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18:46.52racecar56CutMeOwnThroat: question answered
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18:47.14racecar56lucas_: yum?
18:47.48lucas_if I tried using yum to install a kernel onto this chip it'd come with a bunch of Red Hat-specific patches
18:48.27ranixlucas_: you didn't debootstrap your target right then
18:48.42lucas_how so?
18:48.44ranixlucas_: debootstrap will install the architecture of the target
18:48.57lucas_correct, and it did, which is why I can't use it from here
18:49.00ranixlucas_: it will NOT install ANYTHING non-arch on the target
18:49.02abrotmanlemd: please do not msg me .. I am not at debconf so i'm not using their wifi
18:49.05ranixso run it on the target!
18:49.10lucas_can't without a kernel
18:49.11ranixboot up the target
18:49.12abrotmanlemd: oyu can ask in here .. but i believe there is a #debconf on irc.oftc.net
18:49.13ranixand apt-get some stuff
18:49.19lucas_how many Goddamned times do I need to get through this
18:49.20lemdthanks!
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18:49.29ranixyou just debootstrapped it, there's a damn kernel on it!
18:49.30ranixthere is one!
18:49.33ranixtrust me!
18:49.35ranixf'n boot it!
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18:49.57lucas_lib/modules is empty, boot is empty
18:50.01CutMeOwnThroatwonders how good/bad an idea it is to share $HOME on two lenny installs when it's likely he'll be logged on at both machines
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18:50.10lucas_this is going to fail miserably
18:50.14lucas_might as well try though!
18:50.21ranixlucas_: of course boot is empty, you're not running grub on a gumstix at all
18:50.25cichlidhi everyone
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18:50.29asgCutMeOwnThroat: it depends on how you share them
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18:50.36ranixyou're probably running redboot from ROM
18:50.39racecar56CutMeOwnThroat: i don't see why it wouldn't work but i don't see how it would
18:51.03eyerisIf I set my ACL group::- and mask::rwx, the group has rwx perms. Why?
18:51.05lucas_the install guide demanded that I install a kernel along with the thing
18:51.07cichlidi can't find where is the LzmaLib.h file on debian repository
18:51.13lucas_I assumed it wasn't there
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18:51.18cichlidapt-file search wasn't my friend
18:51.19CutMeOwnThroatasg, hmm, good point... uh with "no fucking security"... err, nfs?
18:51.24lucas_if this really boots, I'm going to love you long time
18:51.26abrotmancichlid: probabl lzmalib.h
18:51.26ranixlucas_: have you read the manufacturer documentation?
18:51.38CutMeOwnThroatpossibly sshfs instead
18:51.41cichlidwhatever the case abrotman
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18:51.46asgCutMeOwnThroat: nfs is probably the easiest.
18:51.49abrotmanit is case-sensitive
18:51.50cichlidit s missing
18:51.56lucas_the manufacturer documentation mostly covers their gumstix-whatever-whatever, which we are supposedly not using
18:51.58abrotman!find zmaLib.h lenny
18:52.02abrotman!find zmalib.h lenny
18:52.03abrotmanduh
18:52.23cichlid!find lzmalib.h
18:52.30abrotmancichlid: be patient
18:52.39ranixhttp://docwiki.gumstix.org/Debian_on_Gumstix suggests otherwise to me
18:52.45cichlidabrotman, i am
18:52.51cichlidhttp://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/12243898/com/liblzmalib-devel-0.0.1-2mdv2009.1.i586.rpm.html
18:52.56dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'zmalib.h' returned no results.
18:52.57cichlidis the correct devel package
18:52.58lucas_jesus
18:53.01CutMeOwnThroatasg, sshfs is easier... nothing to set up (I'm pretty much the only user anyway)
18:53.05lucas_well, I clearly suck at googling or something
18:53.22ranixapparently because that was the first result for "debian gumstix"
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18:53.42asgCutMeOwnThroat: sounds good.
18:53.51lucas_I've been through this damn wiki for a while now and I haven't seen anything on Debian
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18:53.54lucas_I'm a moron
18:54.12abrotmancichlid: lzma-source perhaps ?
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18:54.25CutMeOwnThroatasg, I guess I can just mount it on top of the existing /home/$USER and try it out :)
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18:55.03asgCutMeOwnThroat: worth a shot. Haven't tried it myself though.
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18:56.28racecar56how do i configure my keyboard's volume buttons to change the volume?
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18:56.56lucas_there's a 41MB FAT partition along with this card
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18:57.09lucas_I'd bet anything there's some sort of kernel in here
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18:57.25dec3pti0nCutMeOwnThroat, cool thanks that seems to be working on my debootstrap
18:58.39abrotmanjudd: info lineakd --release lenny
18:58.40juddabrotman: lineakd (x11): is optional; Version: 1:0.9-4; Size: 106.6k; Installed: 456k -- Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards
18:59.00TrueDDHi all
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18:59.40icedwaterOK ... been staring at AR5001 stuff for some time now ... modprobe ath5k works, and the websites claim AR5001 is supported (well, 168c:001c is, anyway.) but I still can't scan for wireless networks.
18:59.54icedwaterAm I doing something wrong?
19:00.14icedwaterAgain, I'm not sure if this is architecture dependent, but I think it's not very likely. I'm on amd64 in any case.
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19:01.03icedwaterOne of the sites suggests Lenny users (that would be me) to download a kernel image of 2.6.29 or newer from the backports repo, but the newest seems to be 2.6.26-2-amd64 for me.
19:01.05harkicedwater: try a newer kernel
19:01.11alsdhi there. i'm having trouble here with a sis190 ethernet NIC. ifconfig report many frame errors. i tried reducing mtu, to some very limited effect (go figure why?). tried 2.6.30 kernel from backports.org, still no luck
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19:01.18abrotmanicedwater: what is "well fooo:barr" is ? is that your USBID ?
19:01.28icedwaterPCI ID.
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19:01.39Withouti still no luck with raid 2 harddisk into 1...
19:01.42Withoutcan anyone help me?
19:02.39icedwaterabrotman: It doesn't show up on lsusb, it's on lspci.
19:03.01alsdi googled around about linux and sis190 related matters, found a git log on kernel.org saying interresting things about the matter, but im unable to understand git and branches and what exactly to check out...
19:03.40notdarkyet1I have never made a debian package before, but I just wrote a small program in python that I would like to package up.  It uses wx which is not part of the python standard library.  Two questions, what would you guys recommend as a good link for beginners when creating packages, and two, is there a way to have the packages automatically download and install wx when the user installs the package?
19:03.56CutMeOwnThroatasg, interesting - actually I don't think it's good to mount /home as the user itself, because then you'll already use /home/$user in some way - but root can do it... needs -o allow_other, though, else other users can't even see the permissions on the thing
19:04.28bzednotdarkyet1: you want to read the new maintainers guid, and debian policy
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19:05.03bzednotdarkyet1: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals
19:05.05chellomerenotdarkyet1, 1. nm guide, debian policy, python policy, python-support documentation 2. no, unless you put it in a repository
19:05.10bzednotdarkyet1: there are more interesting documents linked
19:06.36notdarkyet1ok thanks a bunch.  so would standard practice then be to just simply right on the site the this software uses wx and then provide a download link or instructions?
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19:07.00harkicedwater: backports has 2.6.30/29
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19:09.38alsdthe one and only dpkg reports on the matter a "problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface". i believe its not far from the truth, actually
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19:13.08icedwaterhark: amd64?
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19:14.44icedwaterI just saw those, but there's a bpo in the name. I'm assuming that just means it's the backported version.
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19:15.24harkthat's the one
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19:16.19g00seIs there some kind of what the apache people call 'Debian bork' going on with apache mod_proxy - as it's not proxying - it's giving me 404s?
19:16.19icedwaterhark: So ... I should just get this kernel, and when I boot into this image, my problems will automagically be solved?
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19:18.13abrotmanicedwater: hopefully
19:18.30harkicedwater: should
19:18.48icedwaterI see. Any caveats I should be prepared for? Other stuff not working because it doesn't hook well into the new kernel...
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19:19.03icedwaterIf I'm apt-get installing it the scripts should take care of such stuff, right?
19:19.35blueshoesIs there a floppy image I can dd to a usb stick to boot/install debian on a machine without optical drive?
19:19.51icedwaterAll right, diving in ... thanks for all the help guys, hope this works.
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19:20.12icedwater(I'll miss the 164KB/s wired speeds though. :P)
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19:21.37harkblueshoes: how about usb?
19:21.53harkah misread that
19:22.01harkblueshoes: /msg dpkg usb install
19:22.51blueshoeshark: thanks :>
19:23.05Withouthow to check system information
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19:25.23blueshoesWithout: system information? dmesg, uname -a, cat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo, ifconfig -a
19:26.01Withoutata means hard disk right?
19:26.01blueshoesdf -h for diskspace, mount for information on mounted partition/drive/disk(s)
19:26.34chellomere!ata
19:26.34dpkgrumour has it, ata is (AT Attachment) More commonly known as IDE, the "AT" refers to the IBM-AT computer where this interface was first used.
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19:27.10chellomerehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment
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19:27.10Withouthow to combine ata1 & ata2 ?
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19:27.44valdynWithout: whats wrong with reading the mdadm documentation?
19:28.03Withoutvaldyn: i coun't raid it =/ no choice..
19:28.14toad_does there exist a recent graphics card with stable drivers for lenny? my ati X300 causes what look like kernel panics, and my geforce 6200 gives wierd visual corruptions (lines and flashy bits)
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19:28.32toad_i mean stable built-in free drivers
19:28.47valdyntoad_: intel chipset gfx
19:29.13valdyntoad_: for all i know x300 support is pretty decent too though
19:29.47toad_hmmm well not for me, although maybe related to custom kernel
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19:31.09icedwaterHmm... the new kernel installed borked my X setup.
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19:31.55icedwaterI'm on Windows now, where the wireless is working fine ... because I remembered a bug with openSUSE (I think it is, anyway) where the wireless connection was not picked up by knetworkmanager unless I had previously shut down Windows correctly.
19:32.04icedwaterOf course, the bug could be with Windows, but I'm not sure.
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19:33.01clrscrnHow does one install debian without having a CD and without using a netinst image? I have tried using UNetbootin but there are currently some bugs preventing it from mounting the iso image (won't even work manually)
19:33.14clrscrnDebian Installer only supports netinsts
19:34.01clrscrnDebian Installer Loader**
19:34.06valdynclrscrn: debian installs just fine with network booting
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19:34.25valdynclrscrn: are you trying to use something else than the lenny images / installer ?
19:34.28icedwaterTo be safe, I'm shutting down and trying again.
19:34.42icedwaterSigh ...
19:34.54jeffwheelerThe interix port seems really cool, but it seems that it's just a really small subset of all Debian packages, and then just 32-bit; is this right?
19:35.10jeffwheelerThat is, the interix port of Debian, so it can be run in SUA.
19:35.19at0micedwater: sure you dont need to reinstall gfx drivers? (ie. nvidia)
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19:36.06clrscrnvaldyn: What do you mean by network booting? For UNetbootin I used debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso
19:36.25CutMeOwnThroatasg, seems ok - runnin the same firefox profile on both computers is prone to produce problems (the lock doesn't prevent it, though)
19:37.15valdynclrscrn: thats not lenny
19:37.38valdynclrscrn: thats testing, its not for anything but beta testing
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19:38.26clrscrnvaldyn: I also tried stable, but Debian Installer loader only installs netboot images, and unetbootin wont properly mount the cd
19:38.33ramzi123http://picpaste.com/sound1.png  ican test the 1st one in the liste but whwn i choose the 2nd one and click test no sound comes out , any idea please?
19:39.01asgCutMeOwnThroat: what I often do, because I use netbooks most of the time, is run a ramdisk for the firefox directory and periodically (every 5 minutes) sync the contents back. This might be something to look at.
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19:39.59CutMeOwnThroatI'll just run different profiles...
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19:41.47ramzi123http://picpaste.com/sound1.png  ican test the 1st one in the liste but whwn i choose the 2nd one and click test no sound comes out , any idea please?
19:42.15CutMeOwnThroatoh, apt-get doesn't honor the hold flag?
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19:42.50CutMeOwnThroatoh, dpkg --set-selections, ok
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19:43.35stewCutMeOwnThroat: i believe depends on where you set the hold flag, i believe it will honor the dselect hold flag but not the aptitude hold flag
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19:47.05c0re_the thing is i host a cydia-repo and want to  attach my pubkey.text (gnupg-key) to a .deb package wich installs it on the device - so my repo is signed in cydia - is there any possible way doing this??
19:47.24CutMeOwnThroatstew, yeah... I figured the same from the 'hold' factoid
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19:54.43lucas_I give up
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19:57.59CutMeOwnThroatramzi123, they're the same device, why would you need to access both
19:58.32icedwaterNeed a bit of help with nvidia configuration again.
19:58.39CutMeOwnThroatagain!
19:58.42icedwaterI tried 2.6.30 :P
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19:59.06icedwaterBecause 2.6.29 wouldn't let me use the auto-install script for the nvidia kernel module...
19:59.10ramzi123CutMeOwnThroat: i need to access the digital
19:59.23icedwaterAnd I needed the 2.6.29 kernel which was supposed to give me better support with ath5k and whatnot
19:59.28icedwaterI just wanted wireless to work.
19:59.59icedwaterSo the point is, I tried module-assistant prepare, it worked, and when I went with the install it failed after a certain %
20:00.10icedwaterBut I'm not sure what to do with that error.
20:00.26icedwaterI'm on the 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 kernel now.
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20:01.48icedwaterBut otherwise, I can just use 2.6.30 with the vesa driver, so that I get either 1024x768 with wireless (possibly) or 1280x800 with no wireless. But it wouldn't be an ideal situation...
20:03.12icedwaterHmm
20:03.12icedwater
20:03.13valdynicedwater: which nvidia driver version are you working with?
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20:03.52ramzi123CutMeOwnThroat: any idea why i cant configure mic in i cant see it in mixer?
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20:04.24icedwaterHm, I don't know, I'm grabbing the source. The script is supposed to automate everything. :P
20:04.42valdynicedwater: uh?
20:04.47valdynicedwater: the source has a version too
20:05.00icedwaterThough my earlier reading of the options was correct, thankfully. At least I have wireless now, if lower-resolution graphics :P
20:05.08icedwatervaldyn: I know, let me see...
20:05.18abrotmanworked on the newer kernel ?
20:05.22valdynicedwater: you cant use lennies nvidia driver with new kernels
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20:06.44icedwaterabrotman: Wireless works on the newer kernel.
20:06.52abrotmanokay good
20:06.55icedwatervaldyn: I should have realised that first :P Thanks for pointing it out.
20:07.04icedwatervaldyn: What could I do about this then?
20:07.12CutMeOwnThroatvaldyn, you can't?
20:07.26valdynCutMeOwnThroat: wont compile
20:07.33CutMeOwnThroatwhy not...
20:07.36icedwaterCutMeOwnThroat: I don't know, it seems plausible. A lot of things seem plausible at 3.30 am...
20:08.56valdynicedwater: i dont know about a good way to look this up, except reading your error message, however its highly likely that you need a newer nvidia driver, like the one from sid for instance
20:09.11smacnayTo umount an lvm volume, is it in /dev/mapper/debian-volname or /dev/debian/name?
20:09.13icedwaterSo anyway, I've downloaded the source from the lenny repos.
20:09.28icedwatervaldyn: You might be right. The error message is long, though.
20:09.45CutMeOwnThroatI hate m-a when it doesn't work... it's extremely unhelpful in the errors it shows you
20:09.56valdynit does show you the compiler output
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20:09.59icedwaterLet me just reboot to double-check that a default X and wireless works.
20:10.05CutMeOwnThroatnot enough of it
20:10.08PeterFAWhere do I get a copy of linux-headers-2.6.28-1-686 ?
20:10.09valdyntrue
20:10.09icedwatervaldyn: I'm not high level enough to read the compiler output.
20:10.16CutMeOwnThroatyou don't see what actually fails in it
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20:10.38icedwaterPeterFA: Have you tried the repos? I haven't seen them in the lenny repos though...
20:10.41valdynicedwater: just use the newer driver then anyway
20:10.50PeterFAWell, actually, I need the headers.
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20:11.10valdynPeterFA: thats not a supported debian kernel
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20:11.38PeterFASo, it's only up to 2.6.26?
20:11.42icedwatervaldyn: I would need to add the sid repos, then?
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20:11.45icedwaterRebooting, brb.
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20:12.19valdynicedwater: thats one way, but make sure you dont pull more than those drivers from sid
20:12.37PeterFAI'm trying http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html and I'm stuck at the part where it wants the headers. I tried to install them but the hearders I have don't match my running kernel.
20:12.38CutMeOwnThroatPeterFA, there's 2.6.29-bpo and 2.6.30, but no 2.6.28 for some reason
20:12.52icedwaterHmm... I suppose I could manually download some tarballs from the repos' web interface...
20:12.57valdynPeterFA: get a kernel that is still supported
20:13.05valdynPeterFA: like a kernel from bpo or a kernel from sid
20:13.09icedwaterAnyway, leave messages, I'm on SSH so I'll see them when I log back.
20:13.16icedwatersmiles.
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20:13.34PeterFAWhat's bpo mean?
20:13.37valdynicedwater: you dont need tarballs
20:13.38valdyn!bpo
20:13.38CutMeOwnThroat!bpo
20:13.38dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions.  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free.  Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update.  See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
20:13.42PeterFA.30 is fine.
20:13.42exobyteCan I burn a cd over a network block device?
20:13.45CutMeOwnThroat!pal valdyn
20:13.45dpkgpoints at valdyn and laughs hysterically
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20:14.56valdynPeterFA: 2.6.28 is a sid or testing kernel though
20:15.08PeterFAOh, well, then I don't care :)
20:15.27valdynPeterFA: so maybe you are already running a system that is not lenny at all, which would make using backports wrong
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20:17.14anddamhello
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20:18.21anddamI've just installed and upgraded from netinstall, then installed xfce4. I have an empty xorg.conf file and every X config is probed or default, can I dump the actual config and then edit it?
20:18.49anddamI have to change XkbLayout as it's getting the default "us" value
20:19.36CutMeOwnThroatvaldyn, installing *only* a kernel from testing/unstable rarely causes problems, though
20:19.38tuxcrafterhi all i currenlty use this command to see how much space some apps use:
20:19.40tuxcrafterdpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\t${Status}\n' | grep installed | awk '{print $1 "\t" $2}' | expand -t 10 | sort -rg | less
20:20.00CutMeOwnThroat... exceptions affirm the rule
20:20.13anddamnay
20:20.21tuxcrafterbut i need a need a command that show the total amount of space a program consumes including all there dependencies
20:20.27anddaman exception actually invalidates a rule
20:20.35tuxcrafterdoes somebody have a command for that
20:20.38valdynCutMeOwnThroat: sure
20:21.02anddamtuxcrafter: consumes when installed?
20:21.10tuxcrafteranddam: yes
20:21.22PeterFAplays the Let's-Hope-This-Isn't-A-Trojan-Site game.
20:21.25tuxcrafterfor exampel evince packet is small but has lots of dependencies
20:21.43enoufCutMeOwnThroat: installing testing and sid kernels onto old mixed releases never caused an issue for me, just a FWIW
20:21.43anddamI think aptXXX is going to warn you with the size of packages going to be installed
20:21.46tuxcrafteri want to know how much space is freed when remonving evince
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20:22.20enoufCutMeOwnThroat: again ... i jump in late ... no context .. no backscroll (too lazy) .. so i yell at you :-P
20:22.20tuxcrafterand i want a tool that list all those packages form high to low of space it will free when removing inlcuding there dependencies
20:22.21anddamtuxcrafter: I can't really help sorry
20:22.36enouftuxcrafter: wait, what?
20:22.41CutMeOwnThroatenouf, neither for me... but I don't know if it cannot ever, so I try to phrase carefully :)
20:22.48enouftuxcrafter: one sec
20:22.54\amethysttuxcrafter:  do you want to count all dependencies, or only the ones that could be removed if it weren't for evince?
20:23.07\amethysttuxcrafter:  for example, do you want to count the size of libc6?
20:23.24CutMeOwnThroatanddam, X -configure?
20:23.39synnapticsDoes anyone know how to pull e-mail addresses from an SMTP server? None of the other channels will answer me...
20:23.43synnaptics: (
20:23.45enouftuxcrafter: lets's start .. with ~$ grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd "  \n" | sort -n | less
20:23.53\amethystsynnaptics:  what do you mean 'pull e-mail addresses'?
20:24.00anddamCutMeOwnThroat: I'll have a try
20:24.06CutMeOwnThroatsynnaptics, smtp is for *sending* emails only
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20:24.33anddamCutMeOwnThroat: I'm using VirtualBox, need to start the vm
20:24.33synnapticsHmmm... well basically I'm trying to get a list of e-mail from a domain, nothing malicious just curious to know how to do it
20:24.35enouftuxcrafter: then .. we can start working on only listing "Depends" sizes and adding the sums
20:24.48synnapticsAnd googling it doesn't seem to help
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20:24.55enouftuxcrafter: actually .. i think apt-get and aptitude would do that auto
20:24.58enoufuse -s
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20:25.11CutMeOwnThroatsynnaptics,  and if you think you can get a list of valid recipients - no, you wont if it's set up anywhere proper, else they could just put up a bit "spammers enter here" sign
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20:25.18\amethystsynnaptics:  SMTP servers don't usually provide that information, for obvious reasons
20:25.31CutMeOwnThroats/bit/big/
20:25.45synnapticshaha right that does make sense
20:25.55\amethystsynnaptics:  you can use VRFY to check a particular address, or EXPN to see the members of a list.  But many servers deny those commands too
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20:26.14mac123Hi i need some help with soft raid on my server running debian 4.0 using mdadm i managed to make a raid0 aray but after that the server didnt come back on i do have resuce consol can some one help me on this
20:26.14enouftuxcrafter: though .. deborphan and deborphan would be friendly -- nowadays, both apt-get (and aptitude has) have/had a means to calculate that, sicne they actually do it
20:26.17pickcodersynnaptics: the closest you'll get is VRFY and EPN
20:26.18synnapticsHmmm you would query that to a pop server?
20:26.24pickcoderwhich are disabled on most machines now due to spam
20:26.24enoufer debfoster*
20:26.34pickcoderer EXPN
20:26.42\amethystsynnaptics:  you don't
20:26.44synnapticsMaybe there is a script that could automatically test common addresses with those commands?
20:27.01enoufseeen the "use apt-get autoremove" messages?
20:27.05\amethystsynnaptics:  yes, spammers have all kinds of such scripts
20:27.11pickcodersynnaptics: go ask in #freenode how to perform e-mail address collection
20:27.37synnapticsAhh okay, yeah I'm definitely not a spammer like I said I just want to know how to do it
20:27.47\amethystwhy?
20:28.03synnapticshonestly I'm just trying to get some e-mail address to send my resume to a couple IT companies
20:28.03\amethystwhat legitimate need do you have for this information?
20:28.09\amethystthat's spamming
20:28.18synnapticsWell... not mass resume
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20:28.33CutMeOwnThroatspammer!
20:28.35\amethystif they want your resume, they will tell you on their website how to submit a resume
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20:28.36synnapticsJust a few companies I've applied to
20:28.38eptalonheyas
20:28.48ranix< synnaptics> Does anyone know how to pull e-mail addresses from an SMTP server?
20:28.50ranixlol no
20:28.53ranixyou cannot
20:28.53pickcoderit's unsolicited unless the address is public on their web site
20:29.03ranixit is impossible, and off-topic
20:29.08ranixsorry synnaptics
20:29.11synnapticsokay okay I understand
20:29.13synnapticsSorry guys
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20:29.27CutMeOwnThroat!spamsmite synnaptics
20:29.27dpkgassaults synnaptics with spam, spam, spam, spam, violence, spam, and an ambolt, or spam, spam, brass knuckles or spam.
20:30.03synnapticsahhhhhhhh
20:30.05synnapticsCommon!!!
20:30.22ranixfrankly if you have to ask that question, I would shred your resume if I was hiring for an IT company
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20:30.37ranixthat's pathetic
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20:30.48ranixgoes back to #debian-offtopic
20:30.52synnapticsGive me a break man
20:31.04\amethyst!spamsmite =~ s/ambolt/anvil/
20:31.04dpkg\amethyst: i didn't have anything called 'spamsmite' to modify
20:31.06CutMeOwnThroatperhaps he wants to apply as a spammer
20:31.13icedwaterOK, this is weird.
20:31.13synnapticsYes exactly!
20:31.26CutMeOwnThroat\amethyst, CMD: ....
20:31.54pickcoderCutMeOwnThroat: then why bother hiring someone that doesn't already know how to harvest addresses?
20:31.56pickcoder:)
20:32.04enoufsynnaptics: it's "Come on" .. or "C'mon" .. not "Common"
20:32.08jelly-homedpkg: literal cmd: spamsmite (.*?)
20:32.08dpkg"cmd: spamsmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> assaults $1 with spam, spam, spam, spam, violence, spam, and an ambolt, or spam, spam, brass knuckles or spam."
20:32.44\amethystjelly-home:  ah, I tried  literal cmd: spamsmite
20:32.57\amethyst!cmd: spamsmite (.*?) =~ s/ambolt/anvil/
20:33.04enouf!perlsmite \amethyst
20:33.12pickcoderdenied
20:33.17\amethystbah
20:33.17jelly-homeenouf: that's not perl, it just pretends to be
20:33.19icedwaterI can only get wlan to work in single-user mode, or without X.
20:33.26enoufENNINTENT
20:33.34anddamCutMeOwnThroat: it still haven't finished running
20:33.38anddamCutMeOwnThroat: I mean X -configure
20:33.43anddamit's just all blac
20:33.44anddamblack
20:33.50icedwaterwlan0 doesn't play nice when I'm in X.
20:33.59enoufjelly-home: sucks then ... how the heck am i ever going to figure this shit out then?
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20:34.25icedwaterSo I'm down to either wlan & textmode or wired-only & 1280x800
20:34.27icedwaterHm.
20:34.32enoufjelly-home: tell it's VisualBasicC++ so atleast i know where i stand
20:34.38icedwater!pal
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20:35.10anddamicedwater: how are those related?
20:35.20enoufjelly-home: i mean really .. what is "it"? then
20:35.44icedwateranddam: I can only get wlan to work in textmode on the newer kernel 2.6.30 (backport) using the ath5k driver ...
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20:35.51CutMeOwnThroatpickcoder, I didn't say he was smart!
20:35.54icedwaterwlan somehow breaks when I'm in X.
20:36.20CutMeOwnThroatanddam, should be only a couple of seconds
20:36.31icedwaterAnd on 2.6.30 I also don't have the nvidia drivers which I have in 2.6.26 that would allow me to get to 1280x800 resolution
20:36.40anddamCutMeOwnThroat: something's wrong
20:36.49icedwaterSo in 2.6.26 I would need to use ethernet only.
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20:36.53anddamany easy way to get a working xorg.conf?
20:37.05enouficedwater: you type faster than ajavid ... that in itself is notorious
20:37.07CutMeOwnThroatwhat card do you have?
20:37.24gravityNot using one is usually the right choice
20:37.27icedwaterI just deleted it and used touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf :P
20:37.39icedwaterenouf: Erm ... should that be viewed as a compliment, or what?
20:37.41gravityicedwater: Just delete it all together
20:37.42CutMeOwnThroatanddam, 'nvidia-xconfig' also creates one - dunno how useful that one is without an nvidia card, though
20:37.42enoufCutMeOwnThroat: it took him 20 yrs to find out
20:37.46gravityIf it's already empty that is
20:37.56enoufso no holding breath
20:37.58gravityAutodetection should perform better without the empty file int hat case
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20:38.01icedwatergravity: Would there be a difference?
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20:38.04chasing`Solhi guys, i am trying to boot lenny installer using PXE, when i boot, the machine obtain an IP and starts to boot, but it hangs when it tries to load the defaults, examining the syslog, the boot process stops at "tftpd: trying to get file: debian/debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/vesamenu.c32"
20:38.05icedwaterAh... let me see.
20:38.06gravityicedwater: Yes
20:38.08gravitySadly
20:38.12CutMeOwnThroatI rarely ever hold my breath
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20:38.20CutMeOwnThroateven if I haven't brushed my teeth
20:38.22icedwaterSuspending screen, etc etc.
20:38.25enouficedwater: not really .. not in this IRC help context
20:39.02gravityAlthough... affecting your wlan shouldn't be X's fault. That's... weird.
20:39.03CodeN1nj4how can I designate certain processes to my different cores?
20:39.06enouficedwater: though i admire people who can type fast ..it's like talented musicianship in a weird way
20:39.35gravityCodeN1nj4: What do you mean? The OS should do that for you on a per-process basis.
20:39.49enoufpasses CutMeOwnThroat some Plax, Scope ... and Colgate from China
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20:40.21jaggz-In kde, I was trying to set the Accepts focus off, but it doesn't seem to work.  Actually, the other day I was trying to add a new "Window specific settings", and it would make it fine, but when I closed and came back to the config area, the one I had just made was gone
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20:40.40enoufCodeN1nj4: see /Documetation/cgroup and friends
20:40.48CodeN1nj4enouf: ?
20:40.59enoufCodeN1nj4: ?  ??
20:41.18anddamCutMeOwnThroat: shouldn't the xorg package be configured or so?
20:41.28enoufCodeN1nj4: you could also use schedutils and taskset
20:41.39pickcoderCodeN1nj4: man taskset
20:41.42pickcodermeh
20:41.50enoufhugs pickcoder ;-)
20:41.59CodeN1nj4gravity: I would like to split things like firefox, xchat, kopete, thunderbird and tweetdeck to one processor, and in doing so, temporarily move one process to use only that processor so I can continue my work while it replaces 80million " with :
20:42.10icedwaterenouf: Heh. Well, I would agree with weird, though it's a bit harder to get the right keys if my hands don't start at the right position. The lights are off now :P
20:42.51enoufCodeN1nj4: then see what i originally said -- see fakenuma= kernel param ... and others
20:43.02icedwaterAlso, I am on wireless now, it's confusing me. I just exited single-user mode, leaving the wlan0 settings intact.
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20:43.15CodeN1nj4enouf: er, ok, where can I find that information?
20:43.25icedwaterDoesn't seem to work if I start iwconfig, etc, from inside X.
20:43.25enoufCodeN1nj4: kernel source
20:43.38Titan8990_sometimes gui network managers such as networkmanager can interfere with traditional methods of configuring wireless
20:43.41enoufor online
20:43.55icedwaterTitan8990_: that's what I'm suspecting.
20:44.04Titan8990_icedwater, disable networkmanager
20:44.05icedwaterBut it's nice and convenient when it works... I want it to work :P
20:44.11Titan8990_icedwater, with update-rc.d
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20:44.25icedwaterTitan8990_: I could just uninstall it, right?
20:44.38Titan8990_icedwater, no, /etc/network/interface is convientient, networkmanager is a pita
20:44.46eptalonIs iceweasell in version 3.5 yet? - And is there a thing that plays flash, on amd64?
20:44.50pickcoderCodeN1nj4: use taskset. You can change the affinity of an existing process.
20:44.52Titan8990_icedwater, you can try but it might want to take other gnome package with it, if your running gnome
20:45.26icedwaterMostly nm-related stuff, like the openvpn network-manager backend or something.
20:45.35gravitywonders if nice actually does anything with the current scheduler. I know it used to be fairly ineffective at one point
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20:46.28craigevileptalon:  yes if you dont mind grabbing iceweasel 3.5.1 from experimental, and flashplugin-nonfree works in 64 bit
20:46.59icedwaterHmm... it takes out other things too, though I'm not too sure why installing network-manager should pull in vpnc, openvpn and friends.
20:47.19icedwaterSo ... let me see what happens if I uninstall it.
20:47.31icedwaterAfter all, I should just be able to reinstall it later...
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20:47.43Titan8990_icedwater, if you use aptitude remove it will pull more away then if you did apt-get remove
20:48.05Titan8990_icedwater, i usually recommend aptitude but i make an exception in this case
20:48.10eptaloncraigevil: how do I grab something from experimental?
20:48.30enoufdon't
20:48.33CodeN1nj4pickcoder: if I specify one process to use only one processor will the rest of them stop using that one when it becomes full or will they still try to get back to that processor?
20:48.51enoufwhat?
20:48.56eptalonfound it, no worries
20:48.57icedwaterTitan8990_: I'm not sure why that might be. In any case, I've apt-get removed it, and I'm still on wireless.
20:49.01enoufsay "core"
20:49.12icedwaterI will see if my older kernel works without network-manager... brb.
20:49.26craigevileptalon: glandium.org » Blog Archive » How to install Iceweasel 3.5 on Lenny - http://glandium.org/blog/?p=406
20:49.26enouficedwater: n-m sucks ass
20:49.39pickcoderCodeN1nj4: I think nice places a role in task swapping on that cpu
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20:50.02Titan8990_icedwater, aptitude remove is the same as: apt-get remove PACKAGE && apt-get auto-remove
20:50.07enoufCodeN1nj4: ever hear of nice / renice / ionice ?
20:50.17CodeN1nj4enouf: heard of, never used
20:50.22Titan8990_icedwater, aptitude removes packages that are no longer needed but apt-get leaves them there
20:50.25enouf!tias
20:50.25dpkgtias is probably try it and see, or what you should have done first.
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20:50.39Titan8990_icedwater, aptitude is considered "smarter" than apt-get
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20:50.44enoufTitan8990_: not any more
20:50.49enoufit shouldn't
20:50.53Titan8990_enouf, when did it change?
20:51.03enoufTitan8990_: and see what "autoremove" does
20:51.14enoufi forget
20:51.18eptalonsigILL illegal instruction, when I try to open a flash?
20:51.43Titan8990_enouf, autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
20:51.49CodeN1nj4well lets see how well this works
20:51.50Titan8990_enouf, thats from the manpage
20:51.58enoufTitan8990_: since 0.7.x version .. see the changelogs
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20:52.04pickcoderCodeN1nj4: you can always ask in #kernel too
20:52.10enoufTitan8990_: apt-listchanges has helped me
20:52.25Titan8990_enouf, does that mean that aptitude now has a module for autoremove?
20:52.29enoufTitan8990_: man pages are out of date many times
20:52.48CodeN1nj4pickcoder: will do if this doesn't turn out well
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20:52.54CodeN1nj4so far seems like its doing alright now
20:52.55enoufTitan8990_: no, man apt-get ; see autoremove
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20:53.09h4k3rI'm having a problem. I accidentally deleted the /var/log/message file. Since then, IPtables can't save log anymore
20:53.10h4k3rAny suggestion?
20:53.10enoufTitan8990_: depending on version
20:53.17Titan8990_enouf, i did, i also see the date on the manpage is last year
20:53.26enoufTitan8990_: stop
20:53.35Titan8990_enouf, eh?
20:53.35valdynh4k3r: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
20:53.39enoufbeing ... difficult
20:53.44h4k3rthank you
20:53.47h4k3rvaldyn
20:53.48h4k3r:)
20:53.49enoufTitan8990_: ready?
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20:54.25enoufTitan8990_: go find the info - it's IN THE CHANGELOGS
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20:55.29Titan8990_enouf, will later, its 5pm and time for me to go home from work
20:55.39enoufhas NO IDEA which distribution NOR version of said distro is running on your shit
20:55.56enoufTitan8990_: send me a check . it's ok
20:56.04enouf;-)
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20:56.35Titan8990_enouf, and im running debian lenny btw
20:56.58enoufTitan8990_: packages.debian.org is a nice starting point
20:57.05Titan8990enouf, but my true love: Linux boole 2.6.27-gentoo-r8 #8 Tue Jun 9 06:41:14 EDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
20:57.06enoufok
20:57.13Titan8990enouf, later on
20:57.26enoufTitan8990: i'm running Sid btw and have been for years now
20:57.32enouflater
20:57.37h4k3rvaldyn: it doesnt work :(
20:57.59valdyn!doesn't work
20:58.00dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
20:58.07h4k3rvaldyn: I deleted the file /var/log/message, recreated by touch, then chown to syslog:admin
20:58.08CodeN1nj4does the waiting game
20:58.09monica_I installed Debian Lenny in my laptop - Toshiba - I am in Belgium - and the keyboard has AZERTY not KWEERTY and now I have to quess how to type - how can I make the computer Debian recognze AZERTY keyborard
20:58.17valdynh4k3r: what the fuck
20:58.28valdynh4k3r: thats pointless
20:58.36valdynh4k3r: syslogd creates those files
20:58.48enoufon a 350MHz PII which obliterates your Celery 1.6 piece of shit
20:58.52h4k3rand restarted  the by above command u gave me
20:58.58valdynh4k3r: so just restart you syslog and everything is ok
20:59.12icedwaterOK, well ... wireless works on 2.6.30 (manually, not ifup/ifdown) when NetworkManager is gone.
20:59.17h4k3rdo I have to delete the existing one?
20:59.27valdynh4k3r:  no
20:59.29icedwaterI'm going to test it next on 2.6.26, just to see if I can get graphics + wireless.
20:59.49ranixWith su, one can login as a user by doing "su ranix
20:59.51icedwaterThen, *then* I will see if I can sort out the right configs to get ifup/ifdown working.
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20:59.58ranixis there a way to do the same thing with sudo?
21:00.02ranixI don't see it in the manpage
21:00.18icedwaterranix: Isn't sudo to log in as administrator/root?
21:00.20valdynh4k3r: debian has no syslog user or group
21:00.22bpunicedwater, /etc/network/interfaces , and /etc/resolv.conf
21:00.36h4k3roh
21:00.38h4k3rok
21:00.39ranixicedwater: yeah, what I'm looking for is just a way to launch a monitoring script as www-data
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21:01.00h4k3rvaldyn: I mistyped the file name "message" instead of "messages"
21:01.04CodeN1nj4pickcoder, enouf: thanks for the info, taskset is doing well!
21:01.19h4k3rvaldyn: that's why it didnt work
21:01.23h4k3rty so much
21:01.23icedwaterbpun: I know, but I want to make sure I actually have the wireless link first before doing anything else fancy.
21:01.24bpunicedwater, use "auto" keyword in interfaces to have ifup and ifdown working.. (ifup -a)
21:01.25CodeN1nj4will it automatically drop the taskset when the process is closed?
21:01.28icedwater:)
21:01.38ranixI could just make a new user in the www-data group, but that would be confusing to future maintainers
21:01.40icedwaterBrb.
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21:01.52icedwaterranix: sudo su? I dunno. Not sure how I can help with this one.
21:01.56bpunicedwater, u dont need any configs to test if the wireless is working..
21:02.03ranixok, thanks anyway icedwater
21:02.07bpunicedwater, see first debian's wiki page on wifi..
21:02.16bpunicedwater, iwconfig list <> ?
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21:04.03enouf!wifi howto
21:04.03dpkgThe Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux  Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available.  See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
21:04.06foobathi, I am getting an error "no screens found"
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21:04.26enouffoobat: fix your X
21:04.39foobatenouf: my X?
21:04.50adbX -configure
21:05.08enoufCodeN1nj4: taskset is applied "per task"
21:05.19CodeN1nj4:D
21:05.21CodeN1nj4simplicity
21:05.29enoufso when it ends, so does it's .. you know
21:05.50CodeN1nj4its much better being able to move around my system and do things while it busts ass doing this replace
21:05.57greg606hi
21:06.05foobatadb: OK, I did that
21:06.09foobatadb: rebooting
21:06.13greg606do you use vnc on a dedicated server?
21:06.20Myth`Looking to harden my home lenny server. Ex :When using apt-get install apache2 - What is the determining factor for which user the apache2 service (daemon) is run on?
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21:06.26enouffoobat: no
21:06.33enouf!reboot
21:06.33dpkgYou want to reboot for WHAT??  If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot.  Ask me about <qotd2>.
21:06.34Myth`If that makes sense...
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21:07.02enouf!harden-doc
21:07.02dpkgit has been said that harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents  or apt-get install harden-doc -or- aptitude install harden-doc
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21:07.27enoufMyth`: it's www-data
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21:07.45enoufMyth`: /msg dpkg groups
21:07.48foobatOK
21:07.50\amethystMyth`:  /etc/apache2/envvars
21:07.53foobatnow I get error "no pointers found"
21:08.07enouf\amethyst: wrong nick?
21:08.20\amethystenouf:  huh?
21:08.29\amethystenouf:  he asked what controls the user apache runs as
21:08.41enoufright - my bad \amethyst ..
21:09.00enoufhad foobat in headlights
21:09.16Myth`Let me rephrase my question. Is there an inherent security risk presented when running a service (let's take OpenSSHD for example) as root?
21:09.17foobatwhat
21:09.30foobatI am getting error "no pointers found" can anybody help
21:09.34greg606do use vnc?
21:09.37Myth`Should I make a new user named system and have apache2 opensshd mysql blah blah blah run from that?
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21:09.50greg606du you use vnc?
21:09.55\amethystMyth`:  that won't work if the programs need to do something privileged
21:09.56foobatno, I don't have vnc
21:09.59enouffoobat: /msg dpkg ask
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21:10.10Myth`\amethyst: So obviously they're designed with this in mind...
21:10.14\amethystMyth`:  but both of those programs support privilege separation
21:11.08Myth`\amethyst: I can't remember the software, it was some program that ran things as root? or something like that, it was just a more secure way to do things?
21:11.09\amethystMyth`:  there are limitations, however...  for example, in opensshd you can't UsePrivilegeSeparation and UsePAM at the same time
21:11.15foobatthe problem is at boot, I just installed from CD. I don't know what version. When I boot, the screen is white, and then it flickers and then it says "no pointers found" and a bunch of other stuff. I expected it to show me a GNOME
21:11.20valdynMyth`: this privilege seperation is already happening
21:11.29greg606!vnc
21:11.29dpkgrumour has it, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>.  Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more.  Also ask about <vnc setup>.   http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer
21:11.33Myth`\amethyst: Thank you.
21:11.35valdynMyth`: thats how both, ssh and apache operate
21:11.52foobatit is a laptop
21:12.03Myth`enouf: Thank you, I'll have to read up on that when I have a little more time.
21:12.12\amethystMyth`:  but, in general, yes, running a daemon as root presents more opportunity for exploitation than running it as non-root
21:12.23Myth`\amethyst: That was my question exactly.
21:12.34icedwaterOK, silly me, I needn't have tested that.
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21:12.56icedwaterThe wireless driver issues with 2.6.26 would have prevented wireless access in that kernel, regardless.
21:13.17icedwaterSo now I'm back on wireless/2.6.30.bpo2, and the issue I would like to fix is an x configuration.
21:13.22\amethystMyth`:  simply because, if someone does manage to buffer overflow or otherwise get the program to execute arbitrary code, if it's running as a non-privileged user that arbitary code isn't running as root
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21:13.39foobatCan anybody help with my no screens found? I can repaste message in format dpkg bot says to use with /msg dpkg ask
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21:13.49Myth`\amethyst: Understood. At 'startup' what tells the debian system which service belongs to which user?
21:13.55valdyn!noscreensfound
21:13.56dpkgrumour has it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x"  NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem.
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21:14.08TrueDDre
21:14.09Myth`\amethyst: Is this something I need to configure manually, or is it done automatically if installed over SSH logged in as the desired user?
21:14.32Myth`\amethyst: I'm sorry, I know these are really silly questions.
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21:15.04foobatvaldyn: it says /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is not installed
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21:15.26\amethystMyth`:  it's up to the individual services' init scripts and config files
21:15.56\amethystMyth`:  e.g. start-stop-daemon has a -u option to start the service as a particular user
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21:16.11\amethystMyth`:  often the init script will get those values by sourcing a file in /etc/defaults
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21:17.44foobatvaldyn: it says /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is not installed
21:18.00adbfoobat: do you want gnome ?
21:18.08foobatadb: yes
21:18.29adbaptitude install gdm gnome-core xorg
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21:18.56\amethystMyth`:  but that information isn't stored in a central repository in a machine-readable format, if that's what you're asking
21:19.06foobatadb: I don't have aptitude, it says command not found
21:19.10foobatadb: can I apt-get?
21:19.13adbyes
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21:19.37foobatadb: it says "E: Couldn't find package xorg"
21:19.42\amethystMyth`:  anyway, I've gtg, take a look at harden-doc as enouf suggested; at some of your /etc/init.d/ scripts; and at the manpages for various daemons and their config files
21:19.46\amethystMyth`:  good luck
21:20.06Myth`\amethyst: Thank you. Looking forward to having a debian server! yaya! Haha have a great weekend.
21:20.08enouffoobat: go back to windows -- you're obviously not using Debian
21:20.16foobatI am using Debian
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21:20.28foobatI have 3 CDs right here that say Debian and I just installed and it says Debian
21:20.51enoufprove it
21:21.02foobathow
21:21.02enouf!versions
21:21.06enouf!version
21:21.06dpkgKernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version.  Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
21:21.26foobatcat /etc/debian_version says "2.2"
21:21.35enoufhaha
21:21.40adbhe
21:21.41foobatlibc6 is not installed
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21:21.55enoufhaha and hah
21:21.59\amethystfoobat:  that's a 9 year old version of debian
21:22.09dutchfishhi, is it possible to run aiccu on debian lenny over an dynamic ip4 endpoint? are there any docs?
21:22.11icedwaterI wouldn't be surprised, foobat ... I don't think libc6 works there.
21:22.20adbfoobat: uname -r , says  ?
21:22.22foobat\amethyst: is there a more advanced Debian for older users?
21:22.37enoufhaha and hah .. and haha
21:22.42valdyn!troll
21:22.42dpkgIn Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity.  Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1
21:22.45gravityWow, that's a new one
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21:22.46foobatuname -r says 2.4.22-7
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21:23.26enouffoobat: did you find your Dad's computer buried in the Dungeon?
21:23.45craigevil2.4? jesus what is that woddy
21:23.55craigevils/woddy/woody
21:24.02foobatenouf: no this is an AMD duron
21:24.04icedwaterdutchfish: I think you'll have to come back when the people who know enough stuff are saner.
21:24.05enoufcraigevil: prior ... even IINM
21:24.07foobatit had XP but I formatted it
21:24.18icedwaterfoobat: Why are you using such an old kernel?
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21:24.34foobatmy CD says "Discount Linux CDs" and it says "Debian 2.2 r3 Potato"
21:24.38dutchfishscratches head .....
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21:24.44bpunfoobat, so .. XP is gone..  why is that a "but" ?
21:24.46valdyn!potato
21:24.46icedwaterHeh, Potato. I saw that somewhere before.
21:24.46dpkghmm... potato is Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000.  It is no longer supported.  Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information.  See also <potato sources.list>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato
21:24.47craigevilhahaha potato
21:24.47enouf!potato
21:24.53enoufcrap
21:24.55gravityWow... potato
21:25.00gravityThat was my first debian
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21:25.10craigevilfoobat:  go download Lenny
21:25.11dutchfish!potato
21:25.11dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, potato is Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000.  It is no longer supported.  Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information.  See also <potato sources.list>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato
21:25.26foobathm ok
21:25.32icedwaterfoobat: What are the specs of your AMD?
21:25.34foobatthank you, I will get a new CD
21:25.43foobaticedwater: 900mhz and 256 mb ram
21:25.54foobatit has USB
21:25.55enouffoobat: tell us about the hardware .. ok
21:26.00enoufthat's fine
21:26.03gravityI think it's pretty awesome that it even booted your hardware
21:26.05icedwaterHm... I'm assuming it can run Lenny?
21:26.20foobatit is a laptop
21:26.27foobatit is very old
21:26.34icedwaterYeah, Potato shouldn't have expected such high tech hardware.
21:26.35adbpotato has no 2.4.22-7 but kernel-image-2.2.19_2.2.19-4potato.7.deb
21:26.44icedwaterOh wait, 2000 ... my bad. :P
21:26.46enoufif my p2 can run Sid, then yes
21:27.05adbfoobat: ^^
21:27.18foobata friend who uses Ubuntu said to use a vmlinuz he gave me on a USB
21:27.26foobatbecause it had my video driver
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21:27.32icedwaterHm... and? Did that boot?
21:27.34enouf900MHz is a p3
21:27.44jmoncayohi guys, does anyone used spamassassin plus razor module ?
21:27.46icedwaterWell, p3.1, it's an AMD :P
21:27.47foobatI don't know, it didn't solve the problem
21:27.56enoufno problem
21:28.02icedwaterSo you couldn't see what was going on?
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21:28.12foobatno, because of no screens
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21:28.21foobatbut I will download a CD
21:28.31foobatI will use a mac
21:28.35icedwaterOK.
21:28.35foobatthank you very much
21:28.37enoufyour friend and you == PEBKAC ;-)
21:28.39foobatadb, enouf, icedwater
21:28.57icedwaterWell, you should probably try getting a newer distro. Lenny or Etch would be a great improvement.
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21:29.21icedwaterI mean, 5.0 or 4.0 vs 2.2 ... :P It's a big leap.
21:29.26icedwaterThey might even have bundled your video driver in there.
21:29.36icedwaterI'm assuming you're using that mac for IRC now?
21:29.39adbicedwater: he's gone
21:29.42enouf!release history
21:29.42dpkgDebian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story".  Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14).  The next release will be Squeeze.  See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html.
21:29.53icedwaterOh, right, I /ignored quits :P
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21:30.07icedwaterWait, no, that's not supposed to happen.
21:30.38enoufnote; 2.2 => 3.0 => 3.1 ...
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21:32.22icedwaterSo ... I'm assuming I won't be able to fix my nvidia problem with 2.6.30 until new code is released?
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21:33.47adbuseed m-a nvidia  ?
21:34.35valdynicedwater: nvidia drivers work fine with 2.6.30, just not the ones from lenny
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21:35.07johndoewhat clients do exist besides pidgin that support msn protocol?
21:35.13icedwaterHm.
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21:35.39icedwatervaldyn: I think that's where we stopped before the whole series of reboots ... also, I should learn a better way to do this than rebooting. :P
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21:35.42adbjohndoe: amsn ?
21:35.52johndoek ill try that
21:35.57valdynicedwater: i have no idea what you would be rebooting for
21:36.11icedwatervaldyn: To change kernel images..
21:36.27dutchfishjohndoe, maybe sim ?
21:36.48johndoedutchfish: thanks, ill try that one out too
21:36.56dutchfishjohndoe, or kopete
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21:37.27icedwatervaldyn: Any better ideas? I'm game for new ways to try stuff.
21:38.01icedwaterBut before that, how would I get the newest (maybe Sid?) nvidia source?
21:38.05dutchfishicedwater, what is your vidcard?
21:38.07icedwaterFrom nvidia.org?
21:38.13icedwaterdutchfish: Some NVidia thing.
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21:38.27johndoeicedwater: yes
21:38.33adbno
21:38.38valdynicedwater: from sid
21:38.39dutchfishicedwater, and you running 2.6.30-2 atm?
21:38.42icedwaterGeForce 9200M G.
21:38.54icedwaterYes, no, no, yes.
21:38.58icedwaterWhich would it be?
21:39.03dutchfishicedwater, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=73a370795371e41f72aeca61656d47adeadf28e5
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21:39.26icedwaterdutchfish: Wait, what? Why are you pointing me to a kernel branch?
21:39.29valdyndutchfish: uh?
21:39.44icedwaterI believe I'm running 2.6.30-2 by the way, just backported for Lenny.
21:39.51valdynicedwater: get the packages from sid. I already told you many times now
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21:40.01icedwatervaldyn: I'm listening for other options as well.
21:40.18valdynicedwater: theres only one other option, thats getting them from nvidia.com
21:40.22icedwaterI see.
21:40.25adbnvidia-kernel-2.6.30-bpo.1-686
21:40.36valdynadb: its on bpo?
21:40.42dutchfishicedwater, ok, forget what i said
21:40.45valdynicedwater: if its on bpo, thats better
21:40.46adbnvidia-kernel-source
21:40.55adbvaldyn: yes
21:40.56icedwaterGah, yes, adb. I'm using 2.6.30-bpo.1.
21:41.02icedwaterOK, let me see...
21:41.39adbicedwater: use m-a nvidia
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21:42.51icedwaterOK adb.
21:43.44icedwaterIncidentally, when I apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-source, it's for the 173.14.09-5 driver code.
21:43.45icedwaterAm I hitting the wrong repos? Or is one being hidden by the other?
21:43.47valdynicedwater: that one is to old
21:43.56adbi got 185.18.14-2 for GeForce Go 7600
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21:44.14johndoeadb: amsn rules :) pidgin was crap
21:44.17valdynicedwater: you need a new one, not because of you card but because of your kernel version
21:44.28valdynicedwater: sid has what adb has, i dont know about bpo
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21:44.47adbicedwater: remove 173.14.09-5 , and compile 185.18.14-2
21:45.11icedwatervaldyn: adb: Thanks. I'm running m-a nvidia now, just wanted to check about that one.
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21:45.30icedwaterSo, in this one I should just check the box for nvidia-kernel, I'm guessing.
21:45.56icedwater!linux-wlan-ng
21:45.56dpkgfrom memory, linux-wlan-ng is a driver for 802.11b devices (including USB) with Prism 2/2.5/3 chipsets.  Does not support <WPA>.  To install, ask me about <linux-wlan-ng install>.  http://wiki.debian.org/linux-wlan-ng
21:46.01adbvaldyn: right , was a compiled from m-a , sorry
21:46.36adbapt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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21:47.04icedwaterBut then ... the build fails.
21:47.27valdynicedwater: youre still building  173.14.09-5
21:47.31valdynicedwater: arent you?
21:47.31adb<PROTECTED>
21:48.11icedwaterHm, how do I do that? I'd thought m-a nvidia would have grabbed the newest. Or does it just use whatever apt-get got?
21:48.26valdynicedwater: where would it get the new one?
21:48.31valdynicedwater: its in *sid*
21:48.42icedwateradb: Also, what does that command you showed me do?
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21:49.07icedwaterapt-cache policy ... etc
21:49.15adbicedwater: not for you , was for valdyn
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21:50.30icedwaterI see, I see.
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21:50.57adbvaldyn: i compiled all from lenny and bpo , no used any sid repos
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21:51.27valdynadb: so that means bpo has 185.18.14-2
21:51.43valdynicedwater: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source will tell you the installed version of that package
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21:52.49ArchdevilDoes lenny have kde4 available? If yes, wat version?
21:52.51adbvaldyn: no  500 http://ftp.ch.debian.org lenny/non-free Packages
21:53.13valdynadb: umm?
21:53.25icedwaterOK, so I have bpo but I don't find nvidia-kernel-source newer than 173 there, I think.
21:53.44valdynjudd: version nvidia-kernel-source
21:53.44juddvaldyn: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
21:53.50valdynjudd: versions nvidia-kernel-source
21:53.51juddvaldyn: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.14-2
21:53.59adbvaldyn: http://paste.debian.net/42621/
21:54.08icedwaterLooks like it's only in sid/non-free?
21:54.13valdynadb: so?
21:54.32valdynadb: that just shows me that you have no repository at all that provides 185.18.14-2
21:54.38icedwateradb: So if you didn't use any sid repos, where did you get the 185 from?
21:54.42valdynadb: but its installed
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21:54.50valdynsuch a waste of time
21:54.52icedwaterIf it's bpo, then I am not sure how to get it from there.
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21:57.34icedwateradb: Is it possible to find the 185 one on the lenny or bpo repos, then?
21:57.41adbvaldyn: i compiled it from m-a lenny and bpo + .30 bpo kernel
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21:57.53valdynadb: you installed nvidia-kernel-source from sid
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21:58.10adbi use only m-a
21:58.14valdynadb: and you probably ran the m-a stuff *after* you did that
21:58.17adbno sid ..
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21:58.23valdynadb: look at what judd said, thats conclusive
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21:59.37syslq78I have samba share mounted multiple times and it can not be unmounted, any ideas?
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22:00.10sircrazyhmm what is the command again
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22:00.33sircrazyah kk thnks
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22:00.46PeterFABuilds fail when I try m-a clean,a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel, the compile says there's an error in that has now member named "owner" for this scruct declaration.
22:00.47sircrazyso many bots in so many channels, i forget half of them
22:01.06PeterFAI'm trying this howto http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html
22:01.21fefosircrazy: there is still google :P
22:02.17icedwaterPeterFA: are you also doing nVidia driver stuff?
22:03.22PeterFAicedwater, I just want to get my card working with dri.
22:03.36magyarhi all, anyone here managed to get a 4800 series ati card to work with debian?
22:03.41harkPeterFA: what does uname -r say?
22:04.03PeterFA2.6.30-1-686
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22:04.35harkuse an older kernel or update your drivers
22:04.42sircrazyfefo: what is google?
22:04.44sircrazyjust kidding
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22:04.51dutchfishmagyar, 4890?
22:05.00magyardutchfish: yeap
22:05.23magyarit's been a month and I can't get it to work
22:05.33dutchfishmagyar, i testing it with own kernels on squeez, xvideo working but drm i sstill a nono
22:05.46magyardutchfish: worked fine with 2.6.29 and fglrx 9.2
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22:05.57Withoutseems i can't make 2 hard disk combine into 1
22:06.00Withoutcan anyone help me?
22:06.05PeterFAWithout, man md
22:06.08dutchfishmagyar, hehe, i am not talking about fglrx but opensource drivers here: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram
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22:07.03Withouti'm doing combine but i search alot of howto at google all are migrating files etc..
22:07.12icedwateradb: I guess I should probably just add a sid repo.
22:07.18dutchfishmagyar, but squeeze at least does now xvideo for most R600/R700
22:07.18magyardutchfish: oh, the opensource, is a write off, it loads fine but when text is in full screen the whole thing goes crazy
22:07.29icedwatervaldyn: Seems like the best thing to do. Not sure what else it will pull in, though.
22:07.34dutchfishmagyar, not to my expirince
22:07.59dutchfishmagyar, what debian version and kernel?
22:08.10Withoutanyone have tutorial of combine 2 into 1 hdd?
22:08.29magyardutchfish: sid -2.6.30
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22:08.52dutchfishmagyar, and you have an intel chipset?
22:09.16magyardutchfish: yeap, asus p6t workstation
22:09.28magyarcore i system
22:09.50dutchfishmagyar, yep, had that to, i went back to squeeze and compiled my own vanilla 2.6.30-2 eh volia xvideo
22:10.07magyardutchfish: "xvideo" ?
22:10.10icedwateradb: valdyn: Can I just hit a repo, pull the .deb from it and use dpkg -i to install the newer version of nvidia-kernel-source?
22:10.11dutchfishmagyar, but drm is still not ready
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22:10.48dutchfishmagyar, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
22:10.51craigevilinetl works ok here using exa in xorg.conf, things like openarena play just fine
22:10.57craigevilintel*
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22:11.19magyardutchfish: i tried the latest fglrx for sid (9.6) useless as ever
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22:11.53dutchfishmagyar, forget fglrx, soon this all will be ready ... 2. Faster video (textured Xv)
22:11.56wimpieshi all, I have a disk for which fdisk says 'unrecognized label'... what is wrong ? I can seem to read from it though
22:12.03magyarcrashes the system
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22:13.19sircrazyprepare for new idiots to enter the linux world
22:13.20sircrazyhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof
22:13.33sircrazywhen you make something idiot proof, the world makes new idiots
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22:13.53magyardutchfish: how does your "device" section looks like in xorg.conf?
22:14.04dutchfishmagyar, blanc
22:14.10magyarhmm
22:14.26dutchfishmagyar, and i can assure you it works great
22:14.50magyaronly with 2.6.30-2
22:14.53dutchfishmagyar, so far i have tested it on hd2400xt and 4890
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22:15.25dutchfishmagyar, my best bet is squeeze at th emoment
22:16.02dutchfishmagyar, because sid is broken to often with all that new code coming in
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22:16.22magyarany thing that works at this point would be a relief, even in 2d I don't care
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22:16.43dutchfishmagyar, i can hand you a link hold on of my sepcs
22:16.51dutchfishs/sepcs/specs
22:16.55magyark
22:16.59dutchfisha sec
22:17.12Withoutanyone have tutorial of combine 2 into 1 hdd?
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22:19.33dutchfishmagyar, http://debian.pastebin.com/md7ea996
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22:20.33magyardutchfish: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd  1.2.5-1 ?
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22:21.44jomeroHello. i want to run an application in every month 1. how to add it to crontab? for example, it will run may 1 , aug 1 etc...
22:21.48dutchfishmagyar, a sec a paste my xorg.log
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22:22.32magyarhmm, dutchfish, youre on 64bit kernel. I read somewhere that things are better with radeon on 64bit kernel
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22:22.49dutchfishmagyar, 64bit all the way, yes
22:23.09magyara lot of bugs are not showing up on 64 but do on 32
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22:24.02derekjahey, sound question, everytime i reboot my computer i have to run the code "alsa force-reload", me and my friend were trying to fix another sound problem which rose this problem
22:24.28dutchfishmagyar, this is the box with hd2400xt http://debian.pastebin.com/m42f24a9f
22:24.37magyarany clue when sqeeze will get anything besides 2.6.26?
22:24.47PeterFAUgh, Debian doesn't cut it for my needs.
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22:25.05Withoutanyone have tutorial of combine 2 into 1 hdd???
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22:25.26magyarwould it be soft raid?
22:26.00dkror lvm
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22:26.18magyarnever tried lvm
22:26.18dutchfishmagyar, can you paste yours?
22:26.44vandenoeverhow do i get debian packages to generate the symbolic links to libraries?
22:26.45magyardutchfish: xorg.conf? or Xorg.log?
22:26.55dutchfishmagyar, Xorg.log
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22:26.58Withoutmagyar: how to soft raid?
22:27.02magyardutchfish: one sec
22:27.12magyarWithout: with google
22:27.19magyarlots of info there
22:27.55magyardutchfish: how do i pipe it to a pastebin
22:27.58magyar?
22:28.29dutchfishWithout, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410
22:28.31magyarc/p for 10 pages is not fun
22:28.33magyar:)
22:28.53dutchfishmagyar, i copy paste, but its possible i dont know
22:29.40dutchfishmagyar, or use kwrite or something
22:29.41dkrhighlight a little at beginning, page-down 10 times, then right click at end to extend the copy
22:30.00dutchfishmagyar, to pipe it to
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22:32.16ontowithout: for software raid also see: http://howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch
22:32.26magyardutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1506293
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22:33.28alsahello, i run apt-get install asterisk, it asked to download about 255 MB of files, is that normal?
22:34.00dutchfishmagyar, yes, i tried that road, but radeon is now a bit better then radeonhd for your ati card, its difference is not that great anymore
22:34.07dkrapt-get install *  should install more than 255MB!
22:34.16magyardkr: hmm, good start, but in "konsole" i get a submenu when i "right click"
22:34.34dutchfishmagyar, i also tried radeon from the git, but so far the sult for drm are poor
22:34.36dkrmagyar: ah, I use old-fashioned xterm
22:34.41dutchfishs/sult/results
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22:35.15magyardutchfish: i use "radeonhd" i don't have radeon from xorg even installed?
22:35.27dkralsa: did it pull in a lot of dependencies?
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22:35.44dutchfishmagyar, its normally installed with debian at lleast on etch or squeeze
22:35.47magyarohh, so you mean to tell me ...scrap radeonhd and just use radeon
22:36.17dutchfishmagyar, but if you compile your own mesa and drm you need 2.6.28, it doe snot run on 2.6.30 atm
22:36.27dkralsa: asterisk pkg itself is 6MB
22:36.34alsadkr: thanks for your reply, i was just asking a question, since it's the first time that i install asterisk,
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22:36.39adbdpkg: tell Without -about software raid
22:36.41adbdpkg: tell Without  -about lvm
22:36.45magyarhmm
22:36.46dutchfishmagyar, ofr now radeon is a bit better
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22:36.58alsadkr: aha, ok then, all the rest are dependencies?? wow
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22:37.10dutchfishmagyar, i expect a merge soon anyway
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22:37.27magyarradeonhd -->> radeon ?
22:37.42dutchfishmagyar, or otherwise around, but prolly yes
22:38.27derekjahey, sound question, everytime i reboot my computer i have to run the code "alsa force-reload", me and my friend were trying to fix another sound problem which rose this problem
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22:39.04dutchfishmagyar, you may also take note of this: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Aexperimental_3D
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22:40.27dutchfishmagyar, specially ....DRM part doesn't really work with 2.6.29 and newer. Suggested kernel is 2.6.28, 2.6.27 should also work.
22:40.41magyardutchfish: thank you for your help, I'll try to mess around with it, might have to just reinstall 64 and sqeeze and go from there
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22:41.04dutchfishmagyar, good luck, and report back of your ifndings on 32bit please ;)
22:41.22magyardutchfish: is there a place where a snapshot of these kernels exisit?
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22:42.04Irishmanlukekerneloops
22:42.16magyarthe only two kernels I can find in the pools is 2.6.26 and 30
22:42.55dutchfishmagyar, hehe git and friends from kernel.org
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22:43.16dutchfishmagyar, just make you branch to 2.6.28
22:43.18magyarhmm, I was looking for easy -_-
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22:43.48dutchfishmagyar, man git-branch , more easy?? ;)
22:44.04infinity1anyone know a wifi card that works well with linux that can have an external antenna?
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22:44.12magyardutchfish: also a PITA , the only kernel that was working with Core I7 was 29 and 30, 26 was a dog
22:44.25dutchfishnods
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22:45.07dutchfishmagyar, running out of options, besides patience :)
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22:45.21adbinfinity1: ask ##hardware
22:45.31dutchfishmagyar, i am in the same boat
22:46.06TrueDDGood night all
22:46.15magyarnight
22:46.18hikenbootanyone know what this means Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111
22:46.27magyardutchfish: oodles of fun
22:46.32hikenboottrying to get openqrm working
22:46.41dutchfishmagyar, it are exciting times
22:46.43magyarI'm on XP for a better part of a months
22:46.46hikenbootanyone with openqrm experience?
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22:47.08dutchfishmagyar, dont be too surprised that soon it works just out of th ebox
22:47.22hikenbootI thought it might have to do with debian firewall but as I recall debians firewall is disabled by default??
22:47.29magyardutchfish: I keep teling myself that "This is the last time I'll get a new PC"
22:47.31magyarbut i lie
22:47.39magyar-_-
22:47.42dutchfishmagyar, :)
22:48.14ranixI will eventually get an i7 and do a dual-machine thing with two consoles and Xen for windows and linux side by side
22:48.22ranixthat's too cool to pass up
22:48.34dutchfishhides
22:48.35magyardutchfish: I'm sure it will, the dev's always manage to put the puzzle together
22:48.38ranixpci passthrough for two dedicated accelerated graphics adapters
22:48.53ranixbut other than something out of the ordinary, I'm done with new computers myself
22:48.55dutchfishi hear you
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22:51.53Irishmanlukedpkg is eggdrop?
22:51.54dpkgIrishmanluke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
22:51.55magyardutchfish: thanks again
22:52.22dutchfishmagyar, yw
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22:52.35magyari'm off to "term" mode see what i can cook up
22:52.50magyarciao amigos
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22:55.08themilldpkg, what are you
22:55.08dpkgI am an infobot.  For more info see <infobot>.
22:55.11themillIrishmanluke: ^^
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22:59.58dutchfishhi, is it possible to run aiccu on debian lenny over an dynamic ip4 endpoint? are there any docs?
23:00.08mnuhmnuh!infobot
23:00.09dpkgInfobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request.  It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more.  See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more.  NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot.  Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old.
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23:00.49exobyteWhen I do chroot between woody and lenny installations, I get FATAL: kernel too old
23:01.00exobyteI think it's due to libc versions
23:01.07exobyteare there any clever workarounds?
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23:03.18dutchfishexobyte, i dont think, only deboostrap into etch does work from woody or was it sarge?
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23:03.52dutchfishexobyte, https://www.ihteam.net/papers/debian_isolati_ENG.pdf
23:05.01dutchfishexobyte, oh yes you have to depstrapfs the proc system
23:05.04exobytedutchfish: I did use debootstrap to get the lenny root.  Not sure what sarge would do
23:05.18dutchfishexobyte, good old woody
23:05.21exobyteyup
23:05.25exobytebeen a while...
23:06.24exobytemy other idea is a statically-compiled chroot
23:06.28exobyteor busybox
23:06.57dutchfishexobyte, or prepare a stick ;)
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23:11.03exobyte:( busybox didn't work
23:11.08magyarping dutchfish
23:11.35dutchfishpong
23:11.45magyarwork like a dream
23:11.50dutchfish:)
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23:12.01magyari purged radeonhd and installed radeon
23:12.29exobytedutchfish: where do I get debstrapfs?
23:12.38magyarso , even with 2.6.30 it seems to work ok, not sure if i have 3d, but by the looks of things it is
23:12.49dutchfishexobyte, it was one of woody things, i dont know anymore
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23:13.19dutchfishexobyte, use apt-file in woody
23:13.25exobyteI actually did google before I asked...
23:13.34magyardutchfish: i did need the xorg.conf. Without it, i got erros  and the driver that were getting loaded were "ati" and "vesa"
23:13.53dutchfishnods
23:14.03magyarseince I don;t have both, X would just crush
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23:14.36dutchfishmagyar, maybe you can try exa also when you are on sid
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23:14.57dutchfishmagyar, didnt work out for me on 64bit
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23:15.17magyardutchfish: my xorg.conf >> http://pastebin.ca/1506332
23:15.39magyaro yeah, exa does seem to work
23:15.50dutchfishmagyar, oh wow, now i am surprised
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23:15.56magyark, let see if 3d works
23:15.59dutchfishmagyar, cool
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23:17.51magyardutchfish: 3D is a go, work like a dream
23:18.00dutchfishmagyar, coolers
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23:18.13dutchfishmagyar, glxinfo ?
23:18.21magyarhold my hand, i think am going to cry
23:18.35magyark, am better now
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23:18.47magyarglxinfo is perfect
23:18.54dutchfishthere you go
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23:19.05magyardutchfish: try sid :)
23:19.27magyareheheh
23:19.27dutchfishmagyar, sid = a bad boy, and i am a patient guy ;)
23:19.45dutchfishmagyar, but good to hear
23:19.55magyardutchfish: do sid and freez it right away
23:20.01magyarthats what I am doing
23:20.17magyara whole months without my system, not easy
23:20.20dutchfishmagyar, yup, bfor eit farts on you
23:20.30magyarroger that
23:20.55dutchfishmagyar, on what kernel now?
23:20.57magyardutchfish: not much choices if you run core i7
23:21.08dutchfishmagyar, roger
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23:21.21magyar2.6.30-1-686-bigmem
23:21.57magyarii  linux-image-2.6.30-1-686-bigmem                                           2.6.30-3
23:22.11dutchfishnods
23:23.15magyardeb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
23:23.23magyarpheeew, shouls be good now
23:23.33magyars/shouls/should
23:23.55dutchfishmagyar, have fun
23:24.10korhojoaDwindow 6
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23:24.35magyardutchfish: i got lucky you were lurking around
23:24.50magyari was on #radeon and #radeonhd, but no dice
23:25.18dutchfishmagyar, i ahve my bad days also ;)
23:25.19richardcavellGuys, what Intel video drivers are installed on Lenny?  I need 2.8.0 I think.
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23:25.40mnuhmnuhany mutt wizards out there?  How to Fcc: to multiple folders?
23:25.55magyarwhat makes us human
23:25.58magyari guess
23:26.34csforichardcavell, check your Xorg log
23:26.44themilljudd versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
23:26.44juddthemill: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 squeeze: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.7.1-1 experimental: 2:2.7.99.902-1
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23:26.46magyarmnuhmnuh: did you try #mutt
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23:27.19richardcavellcsfo: I'm not on debian. I was running Ubuntu Jaunty but I trashed the partition accidentally and now I need to choose a distro
23:27.49richardcavelljudd: looks like I need experimental
23:27.50juddrichardcavell: Error: "looks" is not a valid command.
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23:28.06richardcavelljudd is a bot I take it
23:28.07juddrichardcavell: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
23:28.17craigevilwhy would you "need" drivers from exp?
23:28.17csfowhoa!
23:28.45mnuhmnuhmagyar: damn, thx.  will.
23:29.01csfoThe drivers installed by a default install of lenny will work
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23:29.06richardcavellcraigevil: I'm on an Intel GMA 950 chipset.  Ubuntu Jaunty uses 2.6.3, and the driver support is awful.  Slow performance and OpenGL errors.  I can't play games under wine because of it.  But plenty of people with GMA950 claim that latest drivers fix things
23:29.27craigeviljudd is off btw, sid has : xserver-xorg-video-intel:   Installed: 2:2.8.0-1
23:29.27juddcraigevil: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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23:29.46themillcraigevil: yeah, just noticed that myself
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23:30.55richardcavellcraigevil: that doesn't confirm what judd was saying.  Are you saying that a default installation of sid has 2.8.0?
23:31.03stewi'm going to pretend I didn't see that and go get dinner
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23:31.31themilldpkg, feed stew
23:31.32dpkgfeeds stew to the crocs.
23:32.42craigevilrichardcavell:  the bot is wrong , I run sid $ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
23:32.43stewwell, i guess i can start a sid upgrade before i go
23:32.44craigevilxserver-xorg-video-intel:   Installed: 2:2.8.0-1   Candidate: 2:2.8.0-1
23:32.56mnuhmnuhthemill: :-)
23:33.03stewlooks like 2:2.8.0-1 went in on wednesday
23:33.07stew!eat me
23:33.07dpkgeats stew, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease
23:33.33richardcavellstew: and sid is stable enough for everyday use, I take it?
23:33.56craigeviland it changed the way glxgears show the fps yet again
23:34.01mnuhmnuhrichardcavell: usually.  :-)
23:34.06themillrichardcavell: err... no. Very much not.
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23:34.37craigevil!tell richardcavell  about sid faq
23:34.54stewrichardcavell: iyhtays
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23:35.06stew./judd's updating now
23:35.15richardcavellStew: huh?
23:35.17themillthanks, stew
23:35.25richardcavellStew: what's iyhtays?
23:35.25themill!iyhtays
23:35.25dpkgIf you have to ask, you shouldn't.
23:35.39richardcavelloh, ok
23:35.58richardcavellUbuntu Karmic seems pretty stable.  I might go with that.
23:36.23mnuhmnuhthemill: good one.  if you don't know where you are, stay there.
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23:41.59No-BluFFingAny 18-20 year old Female down for Funy-Clean chat?
23:42.58themillNo-BluFFing: err.... wrong channel
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