| 00:00.20 | dureyes | Debian says its the same, but from my experience it is not......I had to remove Iceweasel and instead latest Firefox to enjoy my secure sites. |
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| 00:01.30 | subsume | Assuming someone has written a script and included a 'bin' and a 'man' folder, where should i place these? |
| 00:01.44 | man_in_shack | dureyes, you can check to see what's different in the diff |
| 00:01.58 | man_in_shack | ok, i'm kinda lost with ia32-apt-get |
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| 00:04.37 | abrotman | dureyes: that doesn't make sense |
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| 00:07.55 | craigevil | BS iceweasel works just like firefox the most you might have to do is change the user.agent in about:config to say Firefox |
| 00:11.13 | JyZyGyZyX | where can i find the debian logo with transparent background |
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| 00:12.36 | JyZyGyZyX | http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/womens-debian-tshirt-black/93002289 trying to make a mens version of that |
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| 00:14.53 | abrotman | there's a logo page |
| 00:15.08 | man_in_shack | ok, i don't get how to use ia32-apt-get |
| 00:15.21 | man_in_shack | afaict, it's set up correctly with the correct repositories |
| 00:15.46 | JyZyGyZyX | abrotman: you mean like: http://www.debianart.org/cchost/people/mih/mih_-_NeuroDebian.png |
| 00:15.49 | man_in_shack | but i can't work out how to get it to install 32bit versions of packages that appear in 64bit repository (but are broken due to dependency issues) |
| 00:15.56 | abrotman | !logos |
| 00:15.56 | dpkg | The new Debian logos are at http://www.debian.org/logos/ or "Powered by Debian" logos are at http://dusknet.dhs.org/~deek/debian/ |
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| 00:19.38 | CodeNinja | is finally 'deb-ifying' his last machine in the house... windows gone.. debian++; |
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| 00:20.01 | iluminator101 | i get this error when k3b hangs Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 00:21.09 | craigevil | man_in_shack: take a look at http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-16798.html |
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| 00:25.59 | abrotman | iluminator101: are you trying to run it as root ? |
| 00:26.18 | man_in_shack | i am very confused with this |
| 00:27.04 | man_in_shack | apparently i can install ia32-wine, but not ia32-flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org, or the winehq version of ia32-wine |
| 00:27.23 | iluminator101 | abrotman: no as user |
| 00:27.39 | man_in_shack | can also not install ia32-nvidia-glx |
| 00:28.26 | iluminator101 | i purge removed k3b and installed it again...see if this works |
| 00:29.20 | iluminator101 | now it just hangs on creating gui |
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| 00:31.28 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi I have E6500 running squeeze but my bundled webcam stoped working today ... and don't know what is happening |
| 00:31.30 | man_in_shack | bleh |
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| 00:31.58 | crazy2k | Does someone use wmii2? What is your "mod" key? xmodmap says "mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_R (0x6c), Meta_L (0xcd)" but I tried with both left and right alt keys and none worked when doing Mod-T. |
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| 00:32.17 | SuperMiguel | what program can i use to make an rdp connection to a windows box? |
| 00:33.03 | torgrimt | SuperMiguel: rdesktop |
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| 00:36.27 | man_in_shack | GAH |
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| 00:41.36 | phorce1 | abrotman: dang, I'm glad I didn't include the word "Debian" in my tattoo. Tattoos aren't mentioned in the allowed uses section and I'm not a developer. |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | phorce1: others have debian tattoos |
| 00:43.02 | ranix | lol it would be funny to get looked at crossway for having a Debian tattoo for infringing the logo copyright after the tiff over iceweasel |
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| 00:46.09 | digijohn | Is anyone here using Debian on a recent netbook? I'm looking for suggestions from people with working hardware |
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| 00:47.50 | man_in_shack | i simply cannot get ia32-apt-get to work |
| 00:48.07 | man_in_shack | i'm hitting something like bug 536526 |
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| 00:49.05 | iluminator101 | Whats the best alternative to k3b, since i am having problems with k3b...always one issue or another with k3b since i am on gnome.? |
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| 00:50.30 | Qew | iluminator101: brassero, gnomebaker, etc |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | one s |
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| 00:51.01 | Qew | heh... but I don't use it, so that extra S was me being generous ;) |
| 00:52.51 | Qew | xfburn, xcdroast, and a console one called mybashburn |
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| 00:58.01 | man_in_shack | huh |
| 00:58.10 | man_in_shack | ok, now i can install the wine package i want |
| 00:58.11 | Saz|Laptop | how do I remove this stupid play button from swfdec |
| 00:58.23 | man_in_shack | but i still can't install ia32-nvidia-glx |
| 00:58.37 | zinx | man_in_shack: heh heh heh, welcome to sid |
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| 00:59.43 | man_in_shack | ok, wow |
| 01:00.13 | Dominicus | I'm trying to copy directories of data from one filesystem (ntfs) to a local filesystem (ext3). And, because I'd like to keep this data, I'd like to copy it, and verify that it is in fact all there. How do I do that via the command line? |
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| 01:00.52 | man_in_shack | i really need to install 32bit nvidia-glx, but at least now i can install other ia32 packages |
| 01:01.06 | Wyzard | Dominicus: diff -qr dir1 dir2 |
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| 01:01.10 | Wyzard | Dominicus: to compare two directory trees |
| 01:01.24 | zinx | man_in_shack: sid breaks stuff from time to time, you're experiencing that :x |
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| 01:01.43 | man_in_shack | zinx, no, what i appear to be experiencing is a broken ia32-apt-get |
| 01:01.52 | Dominicus | Wyzard: Thanks again man. One of these days, I'll be skilled enough to dish out the help instead of having to seek it all the time. |
| 01:02.03 | zinx | man_in_shack: ... which is a sid thing |
| 01:02.09 | man_in_shack | pfft |
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| 01:04.46 | hypyrbole | all of a sudden I can't get any sound from youtube videos. I had mpd running just before. Audio files on my computer play fine with mplayer. Any assistance? Google can't help with [youtube no sound with mpd] |
| 01:04.52 | man_in_shack | so now i've manually installed nvidia-glx from i386 unstable |
| 01:05.36 | SuperMiguel | whats the best windows program to read ext3 partitions? |
| 01:05.39 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: Do you mean you installed the i386 nvidia-glx deb directly on an amd64 system? (i.e. not through ia32-apt-get?) |
| 01:05.53 | man_in_shack | Wyzard, if you were paying attention ... |
| 01:05.54 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: giyf |
| 01:06.07 | man_in_shack | Wyzard, ia32-apt-get is not finding anything for ia32-nvidia-glx |
| 01:06.15 | man_in_shack | Wyzard, i had to use ia32-dpkg -i |
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| 01:06.48 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: ok, that should be safe |
| 01:07.21 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: I didn't know ia32-apt-get had an ia32-dpkg as well (though it makes sense now that I think about it) |
| 01:07.45 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: I thought you meant you'd used something like dpkg -i --force-architecture, which would result in a completely unusable nvidia driver |
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| 01:10.08 | man_in_shack | Wyzard, yah, i'm aware of that :D |
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| 01:14.01 | man_in_shack | gah |
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| 01:14.05 | man_in_shack | i don't have time for this crap |
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| 01:17.44 | oreo | hey guys! is there a difference between 4 modules of 2GB and 2 modules of 4GB for RAM? thanks! |
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| 01:18.49 | Wyzard | oreo: The latter takes up fewer DIMM slots, but other than that, probably not |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | oreo: ask ##hardware |
| 01:19.07 | oreo | thanks abrotman and Wyzard |
| 01:19.17 | man_in_shack | bleh |
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| 01:37.04 | lafrance | ok having a od problem I can ssh to the server root pw no problem however if I ssh user name pw then su to root will not accept the password ? |
| 01:38.59 | Wyzard | lafrance: Maybe your account isn't authorized to su to root |
| 01:39.23 | lafrance | well should be own the box |
| 01:39.28 | Wyzard | lafrance: (the server might be using pam_wheel, for example, and you're not in the necessary group) |
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| 01:39.42 | lafrance | however it may be that something gone wrong with my user account |
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| 01:40.39 | lafrance | Wyzard, work great until 3 days ago when russina try to hack the site since then can't do it |
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| 01:41.52 | Wyzard | If someone "tried" to hack your server and now it's behaving oddly, it sounds like they succeeded |
| 01:42.00 | Wyzard | Reinstall |
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| 01:55.59 | paissad-hp | hi everybody |
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| 01:56.18 | tawan | hi paissad-hp |
| 01:56.22 | paissad-hp | hi |
| 01:56.48 | paissad-hp | my xorg.conf is empty and after each start up, my keyboard layout is en instead of fr |
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| 01:56.55 | paissad-hp | how can i fix that please ? |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | normally it is empty |
| 01:57.28 | tawan | my xorg.conf is empty alway too, i think it's a new feature :D |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | your keyboard is 'en' at the console and X ? |
| 01:58.06 | paissad-hp | i always run setxkbmap to fr :-( |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | your keyboard is 'en' at the console and X ? |
| 01:58.20 | paissad-hp | yes |
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| 01:58.58 | abrotman | if you 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' and choose your fr layout, does it work betteR ? |
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| 02:00.37 | tawan | abrotman, would it be a similar command to set up both english and thai - as for now my wife cant type on my setup |
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| 02:03.29 | adik | So, I remotely attempted to upgrade a couple boxes this morning, while logged in via ssh, and they now ping, but I can't access them at all. Any idea why? |
| 02:03.54 | nooper | adik: what did you upgrade? |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | tawan: probably depends on the GUI you use |
| 02:04.07 | adik | I apt-get upgrade'd. |
| 02:04.36 | adik | It went like this: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. ssh was on the list. I hit "go." Then my connection dropped. |
| 02:04.40 | adik | This is on two machines, both running testing. |
| 02:04.45 | tawan | abrotman, i'm debian, openbox and would like to use fbxkb to switch language |
| 02:05.22 | adik | nooper: The error I am getting is ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | tawan: maybe with the .xinitrc ? |
| 02:07.46 | nooper | adik: http://edoceo.com/notabene/ssh-exchange-identification |
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| 02:08.26 | adik | nooper: I discovered the problem: It was hanging on me saying "no, leave it alone" for the dhclient update. |
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| 02:09.45 | adik | So that site would not have worked, but we are ok now. :) |
| 02:09.56 | adik | will brb. |
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| 02:11.35 | Muffin | was adik. nooper: Lmk if you want more info on the situation. This seems like a potentially dangerous thing. |
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| 02:12.21 | paissad | the matter is when i run X -configure, i have the X which seems to be present |
| 02:12.27 | nooper | Muffin: how did you know it was hung? |
| 02:12.47 | paissad | i even remove /tmp/.X0-lock |
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| 02:12.59 | paissad | when i try init 1, nfsd takes a while to run , i stopped it |
| 02:13.15 | paissad | i have something like this, Fatal server error: |
| 02:13.24 | Muffin | nooper: I run everything in screen, and I know I'm lazy and forget to log out from work, so I vnc'd into my work machine, attached to the screen session there, and hit "no, leave dhclient.conf alone" and then I could ssh in from home. |
| 02:13.28 | paissad | cannot establish any listening sockets, make sure an X server is not already running |
| 02:13.31 | Muffin | So basically, I was exceptionally lucky. |
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| 02:13.37 | nooper | hah |
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| 02:16.54 | paissad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:19.32 | tawan | paissad, but an x server is running |
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| 02:19.57 | paissad | tawan, i guess, but how can i run X -configure ? |
| 02:20.10 | bpun | paissad, what are you trying to configure? X or a keyboard being used under X ? |
| 02:20.25 | paissad | keyboard |
| 02:20.30 | paissad | under X |
| 02:20.40 | paissad | under console, everything's ok |
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| 02:21.02 | bpun | paissad, are u already using an xorg.conf file? |
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| 02:21.22 | paissad | bpun, no, it's empty my xorg.conf |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | paissad: changing the console language didn't help ? |
| 02:21.32 | fidencio | please, where is debian amd64 testing? |
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| 02:21.44 | bpun | paissad, then why are you worried about not restarting X with a new xorg.conf file? |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | fidencio: use lenny and then upgrade to squeeze |
| 02:21.52 | bpun | paissad, man xorg.conf |
| 02:21.58 | paissad | abrotman, the console language works only with console, but when i start xfce, the keyboard layout is 'en' |
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| 02:22.03 | paissad | not frf |
| 02:22.06 | paissad | 'fr' |
| 02:22.12 | fidencio | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/ is empty |
| 02:22.38 | fidencio | abrotman: lenny-installer don't have ext4 support |
| 02:22.48 | bpun | paissad, can you login to an X account ? |
| 02:22.58 | paissad | bpun, yes |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | fidencio: neither will the squeeze one |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | !tell fidencio about kmuto |
| 02:23.30 | bpun | paissad, does the mouse work? (edit main menu to turn on debian submenu-- then look for gnome control center-- from there u can edit keyboard stuff) |
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| 02:24.36 | bpun | paissad, (debian/applications/system/administration/gnome control center) |
| 02:25.00 | bpun | paissad, i just drag and drop that item to my desktop.. |
| 02:25.13 | paissad | k |
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| 02:25.47 | bpun | assumes paissad doesn't see keyboard shortcut items under System/ under his main menu) |
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| 02:27.03 | deadcat | it seems like my nvidia video card is too old for the new nvidia driver (i have a pci card which is pretty new actually). nothing i can do? i just want dual monitor. i dont play games. |
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| 02:28.20 | fidencio | abrotman: thank you, man |
| 02:28.27 | bpun | !xinerama |
| 02:28.27 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
| 02:29.03 | fidencio | abrotman: kmuto solve my problem. :) |
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| 02:30.30 | tawan | if is don't have a scanner, can i take a digital photo of a page of text and run an OCD on it to make it into text? |
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| 02:38.26 | bpun | tawan, if you want to test OCD, you can try downloading book photos with text on them from google books |
| 02:39.04 | tawan | i just want to save the effort of typing a page that i only have in printed form |
| 02:39.16 | bpun | tawan, if you want, you can start volunteering to OCR the free google book archive.. |
| 02:39.48 | bpun | tawan, well you can sit on your thumb on it.. good luck to you young man.. |
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| 02:40.37 | bpun | tawan, that's called plagiarism.. |
| 02:40.55 | tawan | bpun, not in this case |
| 02:41.05 | tawan | it is just a page of text,not anything special :) |
| 02:41.40 | bpun | thinks all the text tawan types here.. would of made more use of his OCR timewatch |
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| 02:42.15 | bpun | tawan, just go to google and start OCRing the archive.. support the community for something good for once.. |
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| 02:42.26 | bpun | tawan, since you have so much time on your hands |
| 02:43.18 | tawan | bpun, erm, yeah, google need my support as they are struggling financially i here |
| 02:43.51 | tawan | i'm trying to scan a page to fill out a risk management report so i can earn money to pay rent :) |
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| 02:44.25 | bpun | tawan, so let me see the photo-- i'd be able to tell by the naked eye if it's possible |
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| 02:46.08 | bpun | tawan, let me guess, you're the type of people who judge writing styles with intelligence |
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| 02:46.52 | bpun | tawan, you don't deserve to use #debian for making money |
| 02:46.59 | bpun | tawan, so why not leave or donate! |
| 02:47.12 | tawan | bpun, who rattled your cage? |
| 02:47.22 | tawan | i've been on debian for about 3 days |
| 02:47.43 | bpun | tawan, you want to make of living off of me for free? shush |
| 02:47.53 | bpun | tawan, get out man |
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| 02:47.56 | tawan | define:donate it is not compulsory |
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| 02:48.42 | tawan | bpun, i'm logging this for it's entertainment value :D |
| 02:48.50 | tawan | twat |
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| 02:51.30 | Padawan | Hello, I'm trying to find out how you use the vnc server in debian and the viewer from windows, could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 02:56.49 | wad | I've set up a new box, but eth0 refuses to cooperate. I stuck a PCI NIC in there (eth1) and it works great. But eth0 won't ever talk on the network. I can bring it up with a static IP, gateway, netmask, but I can't ping it, and it can't ping out (unless I up eth1). I tell it to use DHCP, but it never even hits the server, though it says it is. I have linklight on it. Troubleshooting ideas, anyone? |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | !z70 |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | !70 |
| 02:57.44 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 02:58.24 | wad | abrotman, is this possibly helpful for me? |
| 02:58.39 | abrotman | possibly .. |
| 02:58.45 | wad | I don't think I need to rename anything... I need to diagnose why eth0 isn't happy. |
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| 02:59.11 | wad | reads about udev |
| 02:59.18 | Tramp | wad: I presume you have changed cables and switchports (i.e. used the ones which work with eth1 with eth0) |
| 02:59.35 | wad | nods to Tramp. |
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| 02:59.50 | wad | Yes, I've swapped cables. Both cabes are functional. |
| 02:59.53 | Tramp | wad: checked dmesg for any errors ... |
| 02:59.59 | wad | checks again |
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| 03:00.13 | wad | Oh, hey! |
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| 03:00.26 | wad | Tramp, hang on, lemme look at these messages in dmesg.... |
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| 03:00.59 | wad | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 03:01.03 | wad | What does that mean? |
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| 03:01.13 | abrotman | it sounds like the cable is out |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | the physical link is dead somehow |
| 03:01.55 | wad | Hmm. So, one cable goes through an old switch, and another goes through a gigabit switch... lemme futz with the cables. |
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| 03:05.01 | wad | nope, swapped cables again. Cables, switches, these are all fine. |
| 03:05.12 | wad | eth1=happy, eth0=sad. |
| 03:05.22 | wad | eth0 is gigabit, eth1 is 100MBps |
| 03:05.37 | wad | Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 03:05.37 | wad | eth0: RTL8169 at 0xf8844000, 00:30:67:06:0a:e8, XID 281000c0 IRQ 221 |
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| 03:06.16 | wad | lsmod | grep r81 shows this: r8169 23684 0 |
| 03:06.38 | wad | That's the driver for eth0 in the kernel. I think it's right, but I'm far from expert on drivers and such. |
| 03:07.14 | wad | This is a brand new motherboard, what are the odds the mobo is defective? |
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| 03:07.37 | adb | wad: uname -r , says ? |
| 03:09.43 | wad | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 03:09.46 | adb | wad: lspci -nn | grep Ne , says |
| 03:10.05 | wad | (nothing from lspci) |
| 03:10.27 | wad | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 03:10.35 | wad | 03:02.0 Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller |
| 03:10.48 | wad | lspci without any greps gave these last two lines |
| 03:10.55 | wad | (anb some other stuff, of course) |
| 03:11.16 | wad | Wait, I did it again, with -nn |
| 03:11.25 | wad | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03) |
| 03:11.33 | wad | 03:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller [100b:0020] |
| 03:11.45 | wad | The Realtek is the one on the motherboard, eth0, with isn't happy. |
| 03:11.59 | wad | s/with/which/ |
| 03:12.12 | adb | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 03:12.13 | judd | adb: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 03:14.00 | wad | Yep, looks right. |
| 03:14.34 | adb | grep r8169 lsmod , says ? |
| 03:15.13 | tuantub | adb: it's not lsmod | grep r8169 |
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| 03:15.15 | tuantub | adb: ? |
| 03:15.23 | BubbaT | I'm trying to reinstall debian on a computer with XP already on it. I uysepartedmagic to repartion the old linux partitions. Then boot off the debian install.Manually partition the drive and when I get to the part where I write my changes, I get "Error informing the kernel". |
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| 03:16.37 | adb | tuantub: yes |
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| 03:16.51 | muxnell | abiword crashes on printing. web surf reveals that it is due to the latest version of libgnomecups. how to obtain older version? |
| 03:17.36 | wad | lsmod | grep r8169 |
| 03:17.36 | wad | r8169 23684 0 |
| 03:19.20 | adb | seems ok . as root grep auto /etc/network/interfaces , says ? |
| 03:19.20 | wad | In dmesg: [ 1660.723944] r8169: eth0: link down |
| 03:19.20 | wad | [ 1660.724249] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
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| 03:19.34 | wad | adb: I edited it. Here's the entry for eth0: |
| 03:19.35 | adb | cable issue ... |
| 03:19.36 | tuantub | muxnell: aptitude install libgnomecups=oldversion |
| 03:19.46 | wad | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:19.47 | wad | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:20.00 | adb | and auto ? |
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| 03:20.31 | tuantub | !paste >wad |
| 03:20.31 | dpkg | >wad: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 03:20.32 | wad | adb: right now, only lo is auto. |
| 03:20.44 | muxnell | tuantub: do i have to specify "oldversion" in number? |
| 03:20.55 | adb | wad: add auto eth0 |
| 03:21.02 | wad | nods |
| 03:21.52 | wad | I just did "ifup eth0" but the dhcp server never sees it. |
| 03:21.55 | tuantub | muxnell: yes |
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| 03:22.00 | muxnell | thks |
| 03:22.13 | wad | It sure smells like a cable problem, but I've switched to several different cables, none of them work, and all of them work with eth1. |
| 03:22.33 | adb | wad: added auto eth0 ? |
| 03:22.49 | wad | nods to adb. |
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| 03:23.14 | wad | adb: I put a line right before the eth0 block, "auto eth0". I think that's the right way to do it. |
| 03:24.02 | adb | yes |
| 03:24.38 | wad | Hmm. I'm going to fool with the cables some more. |
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| 03:27.49 | X_nuth | question? what is 'ttyadm' in debian linux?? |
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| 03:28.54 | X_nuth | ttymon?? does it exist?? |
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| 03:30.20 | liable | !search |
| 03:30.20 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 03:44.27 | BubbaT | I'm trying to reinstall debian on a computer with XP already on it. I uysepartedmagic to repartion the old linux partitions. Then boot off the debian install.Manually partition the drive and when I get to the part where I write my changes, I get "Error informing the kernel.../dev/sda16". |
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| 03:45.32 | gasull | Hi. What Soulseek client works behind a proxy? thx (I asked the question before, but lost connection) |
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| 03:46.57 | kc8pxy | BubbaT: sda16?!?!?!? |
| 03:48.36 | xsdg | BubbaT: can you stick the output of `fdisk -l /dev/sda` on a pastesite somewhere? |
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| 03:52.24 | BubbaT | kc8pxy, why not 18? Have a lot of XP partitions. |
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| 03:53.18 | BubbaT | xsdg, only with a lot ofeffort. |
| 03:53.26 | xsdg | BubbaT: the DOS partition system doesn't support more than 16 partitions |
| 03:53.40 | xsdg | (I believe) |
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| 03:53.54 | BubbaT | DOS? |
| 03:54.16 | xsdg | BubbaT: "PC BIOS" to be more precise, but yes |
| 03:54.20 | xsdg | BubbaT: the partition table format |
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| 03:55.15 | paissad | guys, i have not glxinfo command into my system |
| 03:55.21 | paissad | really weird |
| 03:55.28 | BubbaT | When I boot boot PartedMagic and ask it to show me my partitions they appear to ber correct. |
| 03:55.28 | paissad | i insta |
| 03:55.57 | xsdg | BubbaT: well can you take a picture of your screen and put that somewhere? |
| 03:56.08 | xsdg | it's hard to suggest anything without seeing what the table looks like |
| 03:56.09 | jmarsden | paissad: aptitude install mesa-utils |
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| 03:57.32 | paissad | thx |
| 03:58.10 | kc8pxy | i have a debian vhost (apache) webserver my friend just setup. it's hosted at his location. they want to access it from inside the lan, and it's blowing chunks when they do that, giving 403 errors, and "it works" (NOT!) pages. what is it most likely that we've goofed? it works flawlessly from outside the lan. |
| 03:59.35 | kc8pxy | fdg |
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| 03:59.38 | kc8pxy | gar |
| 03:59.41 | kc8pxy | sorry |
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| 04:00.49 | xsdg | kc8pxy: read access.log and error.log |
| 04:01.08 | PingFloyd | kc8pxy: are they trying to access by domain name via lan or by ip? |
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| 04:01.24 | kc8pxy | xsdg: they say the connects are comming for "internal dunny connection" |
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| 04:01.43 | Hans_Henrik | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#config-manual ive came to this part however my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is COMPLETELY BLANK - should i be worried? |
| 04:02.08 | kc8pxy | PingFloyd: tried both.. name gets me"it Works!" ip gets me 403. |
| 04:02.33 | adb | kc8pxy: ping works ? |
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| 04:03.53 | xsdg | Hans_Henrik: worry not; an empty xorg.conf works on most systems (which is why it'd be empty) |
| 04:04.12 | xsdg | Hans_Henrik: if you have to poke at it, just create the relevant sections and the relevant options/whatever within those sections |
| 04:04.33 | xsdg | kc8pxy: does the IP reverse to the proper vhost hostname? |
| 04:04.48 | Hans_Henrik | how is the syntax for "sections" on .conf files? |
| 04:04.56 | xsdg | Hans_Henrik: man 5 xorg.conf |
| 04:05.07 | xsdg | Hans_Henrik: alternately, google for "xorg.conf"; there are tons of examples on the web |
| 04:05.17 | xsdg | kc8pxy: if not, you may need to poke at the vhost config to accept requests for the IP in addition to the hostname |
| 04:05.31 | xsdg | (because there'd be no way for apache to know that the IP should map to that vhost otherwise) |
| 04:05.45 | kc8pxy | < xsdg> kc8pxy: does the IP reverse to the proper vhost hostname? |
| 04:05.55 | kc8pxy | what do me reverse? |
| 04:06.13 | xsdg | kc8pxy: `host a.b.c.d` |
| 04:06.30 | xsdg | kc8pxy: do you end up with the hostname for which 'http://(hostname)/' works for that server? |
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| 04:09.40 | DiaperDrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops DiaperDrake offtopic |
| 04:11.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jpinx-eeepc complains about: DiaperDrake offtopic |
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| 04:21.37 | smacnay | wow! |
| 04:22.25 | smacnay | Didn't know people still talked like that dude!! Or spouted that cr*p. Thanks for k-lining him. |
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| 04:23.45 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks ops |
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| 04:26.09 | xsdg | smacnay: they're generally (though not always) bots that are running either through proxies or on compromised machines |
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| 04:33.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.57 | Hans_Henrik | how do i use the remote login thing on debian? |
| 04:34.18 | kingsley | Hans_Henrik: man ssh |
| 04:34.26 | enouf | Hans_Henrik: fire a thermonuclear warhead at it |
| 04:34.39 | Hans_Henrik | enouf: yeah lets try that |
| 04:34.52 | Hans_Henrik | hmm hope i didnt uninstall putty |
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| 04:36.11 | furey | any suggestions on how I ought to search through the channel logs at http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian ? I was helped last month by someone and I wanna find those logs - I don't remember a date (my guess is only: sometime last month), googling "site: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian keyword" doesn't seem to work |
| 04:36.19 | Hans_Henrik | well im trying to connect, but it says "Connection Refused" (well, the program im using, putty says so) |
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| 04:36.49 | Hans_Henrik | furey: tried having "site:" last? |
| 04:37.02 | yurikoles | !lsb |
| 04:37.02 | dpkg | lsb is, like, The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/ or very incomplete |
| 04:37.18 | furey | Hans_Henrik, yes, I tried googling with "site:" |
| 04:37.29 | Hans_Henrik | v |
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| 04:37.43 | enouf | maybe rikersisland.org/NY/welcome-to-the-REALLY-BIG-APPLE.com |
| 04:38.32 | Hans_Henrik | furey: tried inlink ? |
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| 04:38.51 | furey | Hans_Henrik, what the heck good would that do? |
| 04:39.06 | enouf | you want the 'cache: .... ' option |
| 04:39.09 | furey | inlink searches for stuff in the uri, doesn't it |
| 04:39.14 | enouf | learn how to search |
| 04:39.38 | Hans_Henrik | furey: dunno, but maybe inlink:http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian would help where site: fails :p |
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| 04:40.14 | [[kLeBsOn]]1 | test |
| 04:40.30 | enouf | !test |
| 04:40.30 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 04:42.10 | paissad-hp | there's something i don't understand, i installed debian-multimedia-keyring , added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main to the source.list,, ran aptitude update |
| 04:42.20 | paissad-hp | but when i do aptitude search acroread, i have nothing |
| 04:42.26 | paissad-hp | weird :s |
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| 04:42.48 | furey | woo, found it. I had to brute-force search. ahem, anyway. |
| 04:43.01 | paissad-hp | does someone know what to do to solve that ? |
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| 04:43.48 | paissad-hp | what am i missing ? |
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| 04:44.12 | enouf | try apppending contib non-free |
| 04:44.21 | enouf | paissad-hp: try apppending contrib non-free |
| 04:44.40 | paissad-hp | don't understand |
| 04:44.53 | enouf | paissad-hp: acroread is _definitely_ non-free |
| 04:45.02 | craigevil | dmm only uses main |
| 04:45.04 | enouf | !non-feww |
| 04:45.10 | enouf | !non-free |
| 04:45.10 | dpkg | well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:45.14 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:45.34 | ryoma | hi all, i was able to install lenny successfully, except for net which i didn't even try yet. there are 2 programs i'd like to install before i even try to get that to work: emacs and some kind of terminal that doesn't blink the cursor and has resizable fonts. how do i find out which debian cd will contain both of those? |
| 04:45.54 | paissad-hp | enouf, here is my sources.list http://pastebin.fr/5178 |
| 04:46.07 | enouf | i don't care |
| 04:46.20 | enouf | i have acroread .. and it rocks |
| 04:46.40 | craigevil | paissad change the last two lines. comment out the stable one and uncomment the one with lenny |
| 04:46.50 | enouf | i told you how to solve it, and you offer up samples? |
| 04:47.01 | paissad-hp | ok |
| 04:47.21 | craigevil | why not just use evince, kpdf, okular |
| 04:47.48 | enouf | s/rocks/sucks sperm whale balls, as of late/ |
| 04:48.18 | enouf | craigevil: in a word; "bloat" |
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| 04:48.40 | paissad-hp | craigevil, the matter remains |
| 04:48.53 | enouf | 2nd word --> Slow-as-Shit |
| 04:49.13 | craigevil | paissad-hp: heck if i know, dmm repo works fine here on sid |
| 04:49.21 | enouf | 3rd word --> no-fucken-functionable-features |
| 04:49.26 | ryoma | is there a list of debian cd -> debian package names, at least? |
| 04:49.31 | enouf | anymore questions? |
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| 04:50.13 | Tramp | paissad-hp: you said you added "main" but your pastebin only showed "non-free" - what do you actually have?? |
| 04:50.33 | Tramp | paissad-hp: as was pointed out before, dmm only has "main" |
| 04:50.41 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 04:50.41 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 04:50.42 | ajavid | he runs calculators |
| 04:50.54 | paissad-hp | Tramp, i got it, thanks |
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| 04:51.03 | ryoma | yay, thank you enouf |
| 04:51.04 | paissad-hp | i saw at the same time you told me |
| 04:51.11 | craigevil | paissad-hp: crap the dmm line isnt correct |
| 04:51.12 | enouf | and knows more than AJ-asshat will ever know :-P |
| 04:51.31 | craigevil | paissad-hp: it should be deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
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| 05:11.10 | xororand | Is there a HTTPS reverse proxy that supports SNI? |
| 05:11.16 | xororand | like, nginx |
| 05:11.37 | xororand | ok, nevermind. nginx supports TLS SNI. |
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| 06:03.31 | tmiw_ | i'm getting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2'" while trying to mount /boot. any ideas? (machine booted fine and ext3 partitions mounted fine--also, using kernel packages) |
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| 06:05.06 | Klazzik | tmiw_, did u compile a new kernel? |
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| 06:05.20 | tmiw_ | Klazzik: no. but i did do apt-get dist-upgrade to force downgrade |
| 06:05.26 | tmiw_ | maybe it didn't get the kernel either? |
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| 06:07.06 | Klazzik | tmiw_, hmm I think the kernel isn't recognizing ext2 |
| 06:09.32 | tmiw_ | Klazzik: ok, i manually loaded the ext2 module |
| 06:09.36 | tmiw_ | now to downgrade the kernel too |
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| 06:11.19 | tmiw_ | ok, rebooting machine |
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| 06:12.01 | tmiw_ | heh, no, this is a machine i'm not ircing from :) |
| 06:15.32 | tmiw_ | all fixed. |
| 06:15.51 | tmiw_ | moral of the story: really, don't blindly apt-get dist-upgrade on testing |
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| 06:26.10 | paissad-hp | guys, i wan to install a deb software for lightscribe |
| 06:26.12 | paissad-hp | http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx |
| 06:26.22 | paissad-hp | but the matter is that the architecture for that deb is not for mine |
| 06:26.35 | paissad-hp | is there anyway to force the installation ? |
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| 06:26.44 | richardcavell | Hi. Is there a way to use apt-get to force the reinstallation of a package and all its dependencies? Say if I break my system by installing a newer version of something, and I want to go back to the repository version? |
| 06:26.47 | paissad-hp | i use amd64 |
| 06:27.10 | Dominii | I'm trying to pull in some packages from Squeeze to Lenny. The deps are fine, but they're signed by a new key. Where can I get that key to mark it as valid? |
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| 06:37.52 | craigevil | Dominii: install the debian-archive-keyring package from squeeze |
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| 06:38.02 | icedwater | Hi, how do I change supported languages in Lenny? |
| 06:38.07 | Dominii | craigevil, I did that. didn't seem to work. |
| 06:38.52 | Klazzik | icedwater, supported keyboard language? |
| 06:39.16 | icedwater | Nope, displayed characters. |
| 06:39.29 | icedwater | Not sure where to find the fonts .. wait, let me search apt :P Sorry. |
| 06:39.43 | icedwater | But something would have to be configured even if the fonts were present, right? |
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| 06:40.08 | Klazzik | icedwater, like writing in a language other than English? |
| 06:40.55 | icedwater | Yup, or even just reading. |
| 06:41.05 | icedwater | I found scim, which I remember from Ubuntu as not working that well... |
| 06:41.13 | icedwater | Maybe I should see how it works in Debian. |
| 06:41.29 | craigevil | make sure the fonts are installed, run dpkg-reconfigure locales ,then use the gnome/kde control center/systemsettings to set the language |
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| 06:43.11 | unikon | how can i install sysinfo on debian Lenny |
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| 06:44.13 | icedwater | craigevil: I don't see a Languages option in gnome-control-center. |
| 06:44.33 | craigevil | try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 06:45.08 | icedwater | Trying .. |
| 06:46.19 | craigevil | icedwater: chack System-->Administration-->Language Selector |
| 06:46.37 | Klazzik | icedwater, add keyboard indicator in the panel - i always find it useful |
| 06:46.55 | icedwater | craigevil: It's not there. |
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| 06:47.04 | craigevil | unikon: you might try using hardinfo its a GUI with pretty much the same info as sysinfo |
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| 06:47.17 | icedwater | Let me see if the menu option is just hidden, though. |
| 06:47.59 | icedwater | Anyone know the path to the app that does language selection? |
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| 06:48.08 | icedwater | It's not even listed as an unselected option in my menu. |
| 06:48.11 | craigevil | icedwater: i am just guessing i dont run gnome/kde |
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| 06:48.30 | icedwater | craigevil: I see. :) What would reconfiguring console-data do, though? |
| 06:48.56 | craigevil | lets you choose keyboard layout |
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| 06:49.28 | icedwater | Hm. I see. I'm more interested in replacing the little unicode (I assume they are) squares with real characters :P |
| 06:50.04 | richardcavell | anyone here use clonezilla? How good is it at cloning a whole disk with multiple partitions? |
| 06:50.21 | craigevil | sqaures usually just means you dont have the proper fonts installed |
| 06:51.16 | craigevil | icedwater: ubuntu forums say you can run the command gnome-language-selector |
| 06:52.09 | icedwater | Hope it exists on Lenny, then. |
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| 06:55.39 | icedwater | Nope, no luck there. |
| 06:55.57 | unikon | craigevil thank you |
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| 06:56.44 | icedwater | Thanks for your help, though, guys :) |
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| 07:01.37 | hanibana | hi all... |
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| 07:01.47 | hanibana | how can I create a file with dd, then format it, and then mount it ?I remember it from a document... |
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| 07:04.35 | icedwater | hanibana: What sort of file are you looking to create? An ISO image, perhaps? |
| 07:04.57 | icedwater | Check dd --help for more details. |
| 07:05.03 | icedwater | I believe it should be something like |
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| 07:05.44 | icedwater | dd if=$INPUT of=$OUTPUT bs=$BLOCKSIZE or the like |
| 07:06.04 | ryoma | man mount |
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| 07:06.25 | ryoma | mkfs.ext3 |
| 07:06.25 | hanibana | icedwater:I found it... dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=100; mke2fs foo; mount -o loop foo /somewhere |
| 07:06.30 | hanibana | thank u |
| 07:06.42 | icedwater | If the copy was done correctly, the file should be mountable ... Oh, from /dev/zero... I see |
| 07:06.47 | icedwater | Yup |
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| 07:07.33 | icedwater | You probably wouldn't want to mkfs* on any other bunch of data, if I'm not wrong it clears the existing data and makes a filesystem out of it. |
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| 07:08.00 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 07:23.38 | dsa | hi to all,gnome-screen-saver i want to start a service after 10 min if there is no user interaction with system.can anyone tell me how a daemon can know about no interaction of user |
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| 07:29.38 | sobersabre | hey. I am confused about "holding" packages. |
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| 07:30.00 | sobersabre | how can I see from dpkg if a package is held ? |
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| 07:31.11 | sobersabre | does dpkg know what "held" means ? |
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| 07:35.43 | _klamath_ | don't have tty1,2,3,4,5,6 , elive-linux ( debian lenny ), any idea on how to enable them ? in /etc/inittab they are present, but a 'ps -A | grep getty', gives nothing |
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| 07:37.58 | npasque | hi...how can i see the suggested package for an installed package? |
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| 07:39.32 | jmarsden | npasque: apt-cache depends PACKAGENAME |
| 07:40.03 | npasque | thanks jmarsden |
| 07:40.53 | npasque | jmarsden this show to me only dependents package, not sggested! |
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| 07:41.21 | jmarsden | Ah, wait...Oops. apt-cache show PACKAGENAME | grep Suggests |
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| 07:45.37 | superlinux | hi |
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| 07:47.01 | superlinux | I want to know how to use netcat as one-to-many copy solution. help is required. |
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| 07:53.38 | sobersabre | superlinux: you need to know what broadcast and multicast communication is. |
| 07:54.09 | superlinux | so? |
| 07:54.12 | superlinux | sobersabre, ? |
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| 07:54.40 | sobersabre | after you grasp that concept, you will only need to see what nc flags you need to use for setting up broadcast/multicast "netcatting" |
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| 07:55.04 | sobersabre | do you have a more specific question? |
| 07:55.06 | superlinux | i know both meanings |
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| 07:55.13 | lesshaste | hi |
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| 07:55.24 | sobersabre | well, all you need to do, superlinux is man nc, and read it. |
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| 07:55.31 | lesshaste | what does this line do exactly? /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 'IpStdCInterface.h' '/home/user/Desktop/Ipopt-3.7.0/include/coin/IpStdCInterface.h' |
| 07:55.33 | sobersabre | (and understand it) |
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| 07:56.07 | superlinux | ok |
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| 07:56.11 | superlinux | i will see |
| 07:56.13 | sobersabre | lesshaste: it means "copy the file to the install location, and set it's mode to 644" |
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| 07:56.37 | lesshaste | sobersabre, ah.. so it's install location is under Desktop?? |
| 07:56.48 | lesshaste | err.. s/it's/its (sorry) |
| 07:57.04 | _klamath_ | don't have tty1,2,3,4,5,6 , elive-linux ( debian lenny ), any idea on how to enable them ? in /etc/inittab they are present, but a 'ps -A | grep getty', gives nothing |
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| 07:57.32 | sobersabre | _klamath_: why do you need tty1,2,3,4,5,6 ? |
| 07:57.39 | superlinux | my question exactly , can i do a what norton ghost does? like one image and many computers receiving the image? |
| 07:58.07 | superlinux | what i always read from tutorials is otherwise |
| 07:58.11 | lesshaste | superlinux, yes |
| 07:58.29 | superlinux | so how? using the broadcast flag? |
| 07:58.33 | _klamath_ | sobersabre: well, sometime I could need not login in X and use just a consolle tty |
| 07:58.44 | superlinux | but i read it's a UDP not a TCP |
| 07:58.56 | superlinux | so it's like a streamed video |
| 07:59.23 | superlinux | i might miss some info in UDP |
| 07:59.41 | _klamath_ | sobersabre: or sometime when x freeze |
| 07:59.44 | lesshaste | superlinux, oh I see you want to multicast it |
| 08:00.27 | superlinux | you know, the network install |
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| 08:01.09 | sobersabre | superlinux, what exactly do you want to do (before going into smart words like netcat, multicast, kungfu and jiujitsu) ? |
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| 08:02.01 | sobersabre | _klamath_: what version of live cd are you using that it freezes ?! |
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| 08:02.59 | sobersabre | lesshaste: man install ;-) |
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| 08:04.04 | superlinux | what i understood from netcat is i can image one drive to only one another drive some where in the network. i wonder whether i can image it to many. i am using vmware to simulate it to learn it. maybe make a video tutorial to show it in action. |
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| 08:04.38 | unitypunk | hey.. |
| 08:04.43 | superlinux | hey |
| 08:04.51 | unitypunk | im having trouble with my samba shares. |
| 08:05.03 | superlinux | not me |
| 08:05.07 | unitypunk | i cant get to them from other networks |
| 08:05.14 | unitypunk | like over the net |
| 08:06.18 | superlinux | i think NFS is your best friend in that case. not samba. |
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| 08:07.00 | McL0VIN | howdy |
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| 08:07.05 | McL0VIN | is there is a way i can retrieve rm files |
| 08:07.14 | peleg | Hello. How do I check whether my linux, my router or my ISP blocks a port? I have port 25 blocked for many days now... |
| 08:07.50 | McL0VIN | peleg: tenet ur ip :25 and check |
| 08:08.15 | lesshaste | sobersabre, thanks |
| 08:08.51 | unitypunk | whats nfs superlinux |
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| 08:09.18 | superlinux | Network File System |
| 08:09.53 | McL0VIN | is there is a way i can retrieve rm files |
| 08:09.54 | superlinux | unitypunk, you will see the share integrated into your file system |
| 08:10.03 | foo-nix | In compiz-fusion, nautilus fails to have windowdecorations, and maximizes over my desktop. I cannot resize it nor move it. What can cause this? |
| 08:10.18 | superlinux | McL0VIN, you want to un-delete files? |
| 08:10.25 | foo-nix | other applications, like xchat and iceweasel work just fine. |
| 08:10.25 | unitypunk | i can see the share integrate in my fs right now. |
| 08:10.29 | McL0VIN | i did rm for some log file my mistake |
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| 08:10.38 | McL0VIN | superlinux: yes |
| 08:10.43 | superlinux | use testdisk |
| 08:10.49 | superlinux | it's very nice |
| 08:10.58 | tawann | McL0VIN, foremost -i /dev/hda -o /recovery/foremost |
| 08:10.59 | superlinux | can recover any partition |
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| 08:11.35 | McL0VIN | tawann: what is foremost? |
| 08:11.49 | tawann | McL0VIN, recovery tool for ext3 |
| 08:11.54 | superlinux | McL0VIN, i think you have to install it too |
| 08:12.05 | superlinux | i dont have it also |
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| 08:14.53 | |RamsesI| | morn |
| 08:15.46 | RamsesII | if I want to run a proxy server, which one would you guys and girls recommend? |
| 08:15.59 | RamsesII | using Debian Lenny |
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| 08:16.37 | sobersabre | superlinux: I think this might help: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=distribute+files+broadcast+netcat&l=1 |
| 08:17.00 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:17.04 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 08:17.50 | sobersabre | 1st result... |
| 08:18.00 | sobersabre | Malx solution... |
| 08:18.03 | RamsesII | google is your friend :-) |
| 08:18.17 | superlinux | ok |
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| 08:18.44 | sobersabre | moment, superlinux, lemme wipe the |
| 08:18.55 | sobersabre | puree from the cheek. |
| 08:18.58 | superlinux | mate! maybe my query is not my friend . hehe:) |
| 08:19.08 | sobersabre | what do you mean ? |
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| 08:19.41 | superlinux | i mean that i entered a query that is not a bullseye query |
| 08:20.09 | superlinux | like it does not give me the right result i am looking for |
| 08:20.14 | sobersabre | ok, anyway, if you're into OS distribution over nodes, maybe you should look into a ready to use solution, instead of inventing the wheel. |
| 08:20.32 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:20.38 | sobersabre | because netcat may fail in the middle with large files, |
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| 08:21.04 | sobersabre | and you will need to implement some fault handling logic, which should be ... a pain in the ass. |
| 08:21.53 | sobersabre | maybe even split the file into chunks, checksum each, and then somehow transmit them chunk+sum, verify, go to the next. |
| 08:21.59 | sobersabre | which is a pain too. |
| 08:22.26 | sobersabre | there are so called "ghosting" solutions, ready and working already. |
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| 08:28.00 | rindolf | Hi all. I have an old GnuPG key - from 2003. Does it use SHA1? If so, should I generate a new one, and if so - how? |
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| 08:31.17 | fefo | rindolf: and how is this related to debian ? |
| 08:31.53 | rindolf | fefo: I figured you people might be able to tell me. |
| 08:32.02 | mjt | sobersabre: how about rsync? |
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| 08:36.46 | fefo | rindolf: i cant tell you what encryption is that key using |
| 08:37.11 | fefo | but if you send it to me i will tell you :P |
| 08:37.11 | RamsesII | if I want to run a proxy server, which one would you guys and girls recommend? I need it to browse showing my IP address at home when being abroad. It needs to be authenticated / password protected as well |
| 08:38.37 | rindolf | fefo: http://www.shlomifish.org/me/crypto/pgp/shlomif-public-key.txt |
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| 08:39.14 | fefo | rindolf: i mean private key :P |
| 08:39.25 | rindolf | fefo: oh. |
| 08:39.34 | rindolf | fefo: no way I am giving you that. |
| 08:39.41 | fefo | :P |
| 08:39.45 | fefo | that was joke |
| 08:39.58 | rindolf | fefo: ah. |
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| 08:41.50 | yurikoles | How to tune ext4 that it at each booting it was checked with a -D switch |
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| 08:42.55 | _klamath_ | don't have tty1,2,3,4,5,6 , elive-linux ( debian lenny ), any idea on how to enable them ? in /etc/inittab they are present, but a 'ps -A | grep getty', gives nothing |
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| 08:43.35 | fefo | yurikoles: maybe somehow via tune2fs ? |
| 08:44.13 | craigevil | !tell _klamath_ about debian based |
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| 08:44.54 | _klamath_ | craigevil: yes, elive is debian based |
| 08:45.23 | yurikoles | C.O., plz login with your account |
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| 08:45.43 | yurikoles | !tell yourikoles about CO |
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| 08:52.27 | sobersabre | weird thing: why would a mounted RW flash disk go "read-only" ? |
| 08:52.29 | sobersabre | any ideas ? |
| 08:52.49 | sobersabre | /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=XXXXXX) |
| 08:53.06 | _klamath_ | what does it means " !tell _klamath_ about debian based " ? |
| 08:53.07 | EmleyMoor | sobersabre: Filesystem error detected? |
| 08:53.40 | EmleyMoor | _klamath_: dpkg should have messaged you |
| 08:53.43 | EmleyMoor | !bod |
| 08:53.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:53.52 | EmleyMoor | That is the message |
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| 08:54.55 | _klamath_ | EmleyMoor: ok |
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| 08:57.31 | twit324 | can I masturbate and cum all over the text? |
| 08:57.39 | sobersabre | EmleyMoor: do you think FS erroro should reflect in the syslog ? |
| 08:57.43 | peleg | McL0VIN, sorry, I had to leave... Thanks for your reply! I'll try that now |
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| 08:59.22 | EmleyMoor | sobersabre: It ought to |
| 09:00.05 | g00se | afaicr ext4 supports file creation timestamps does it not? |
| 09:00.25 | mjt | is there any filesystem out there that doesn't? |
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| 09:01.10 | EmleyMoor | mjt: Most only keep last modified time |
| 09:01.13 | jelly | mjt: many. POSIX doesn't have them. Ergo, Linux in general doesn't. |
| 09:01.18 | peleg | McL0VIN, I got "telnet: could not resolve 93.173.31.55/:25: Servname not supported for ai_socktype |
| 09:01.27 | g00se | mjt: Very few do |
| 09:01.59 | mjt | it's st_ctime field, most support it. It's not *exactly* creation time, but as close as one can get. |
| 09:02.07 | mjt | most filesystems, that is |
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| 09:02.20 | jelly | mjt: that's _change_time |
| 09:02.28 | mjt | yes |
| 09:02.50 | g00se | mjt: IOW, something different |
| 09:02.56 | jelly | nothing to do with creation. Except in the rare case a file is only created and changed once. |
| 09:03.12 | mjt | change like permissions etc |
| 09:03.22 | jelly | NTFS has proper creation time. |
| 09:03.40 | mjt | it's quite usual case for a file lifetime to have st_ctime constant even if st_mtime changes |
| 09:04.03 | mjt | but yes it's not exactly creation time as i and others mentioned |
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| 09:04.21 | mjt | and there's no API to retrieve "other" times anyway |
| 09:05.30 | g00se | jelly: Wonder if stat will be patched to support this? |
| 09:07.02 | twit324 | PENIS |
| 09:07.05 | twit324 | NUSSSSSS |
| 09:07.25 | jelly | g00se: first make kernel people provide an interface for userspace |
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| 09:09.36 | g00se | Can someone please kick twit324? |
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| 09:12.24 | JPT | the more people do not pay attention to trolls, the smaller they get |
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| 09:14.43 | jelly | g00se: the proper way to ask for that is "!ops [somenick] [short description of annoyances]" |
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| 09:16.05 | g00se | jelly: Thanks. Knew it was something like that |
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| 09:18.03 | MementoMori | hi |
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| 09:18.30 | MementoMori | where can I find ext4 kernel headers? |
| 09:18.45 | alecs1 | hi, how do I add a system tray to the gnome-panel? |
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| 09:22.28 | g00se | http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/06/30/ext4-is-now-the-primary-filesystem-on-my-laptop/ |
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| 09:24.30 | jelly | MementoMori: if you're using a Debian packaged kernel, linux-headers-$(uname -r) is the package with kernel headers\ |
| 09:25.16 | MementoMori | jelly: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-13/fs/ext4/ only contains Kconfig and Makefile |
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| 09:25.42 | jelly | MementoMori: uname -r? |
| 09:25.55 | MementoMori | 2.6.28-13-generic |
| 09:26.06 | jelly | that's not a Debian kernel |
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| 09:26.26 | jelly | MementoMori: which distro are you using? |
| 09:26.31 | MementoMori | ubuntu |
| 09:26.37 | jelly | ask in #ubuntu, then |
| 09:27.10 | MementoMori | thank you jelly |
| 09:27.45 | iamwoody | Is anyone assemble a server for debian recently? |
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| 09:28.07 | g00se | !anyone |
| 09:28.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 09:29.25 | icedwater | !ask to ask |
| 09:29.25 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 09:29.36 | icedwater | I think dpkg is well set up. So cute! :P |
| 09:29.38 | icedwater | !sex |
| 09:29.38 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 09:29.52 | icedwater | And there were other interesting nuggets also :P |
| 09:30.18 | iamwoody | g00se: i want to assemble a server motherboard ,like Quad-Core Intel SATA RAID CARD these can friendly suppored by debian |
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| 09:30.48 | dalfz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.55 | dalfz | in vim |
| 09:32.20 | jelly | dalfz: I believe it's "vim" :-) |
| 09:32.26 | g00se | iamwoody: You need to check the chipsets really, but don't address your q just to me: i'm not a hardware expert ;-) |
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| 09:33.18 | g00se | dalfz: afaik vim-full |
| 09:33.25 | iamwoody | g00se: thanks |
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| 09:34.35 | dalfz | jeffrey_, youre right:) too easy for me :P |
| 09:35.12 | dalfz | g00se, i don't want 150mb of bloat just to get colors :) |
| 09:35.24 | jelly | g00se: nah, that's too much. vim is enough. |
| 09:35.28 | g00se | has always found it weirdish there no vim-medium ;-) |
| 09:35.35 | jelly | g00se: that's "vim"! |
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| 09:36.14 | g00se | jelly: You're probably right ;-) |
| 09:36.23 | jelly | vim-tiny is the crippled build for base system; vim is the common option, and vim-full the bloated one |
| 09:37.07 | jelly | :syntax on |
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| 09:38.58 | g00se | dalfz: IOW probably just vim. Or does vim-tiny jelly? |
| 09:39.21 | jelly | I'm not going to repeat it thrice. |
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| 09:40.14 | dalfz | g00se, i installed "vim" and i got colors |
| 09:40.14 | g00se | dalfz: good |
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| 09:41.44 | dalfz | then, how do i get colors on ls dirlistings? |
| 09:41.49 | superlinux | hi |
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| 09:42.14 | Keiya | Wheee, gotta love it when trying to install two packages leads you on a wild goose chase that ends up installing, somehow, spamassassin and postgresql. >_< |
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| 09:42.30 | superlinux | i have `fdisk -l` reporting one of my ext3 hard disks as NTFS. |
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| 09:42.48 | Keiya | (And half a million libwhatevers, but that's normal) |
| 09:42.51 | superlinux | so what would it be? |
| 09:43.41 | JPT | try to mount it as ntfs read only and see |
| 09:43.50 | JPT | i trust fdisk here |
| 09:43.51 | jelly | superlinux: fdisk shows the partition type bytes from the partition table, which are mostly ignored by Linux. They may be incorrect or changed at any time. |
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| 09:44.13 | jelly | superlinux: you can use "blkid" for a better guess. |
| 09:44.19 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:44.57 | superlinux | so how i can set it for fdisk without hurting my data? |
| 09:45.04 | nijm | If I compile and install a library with ./configure && make... etc., how can I tell debian that I've installed a later version of that library so it can remove the package provided in the repos without removing packages that depend on that library? |
| 09:45.10 | superlinux | set it correctly |
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| 09:45.43 | nijm | I've noticed there's a mark as manual in aptitude, but it doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 09:47.13 | Keiya | idly wonders why so many doc packages are in non-free |
| 09:48.07 | nijm | This channel is very quiet to say there are nearly 1000 people in here. What gives? |
| 09:48.24 | Keiya | Most of 'em are idlin' |
| 09:48.32 | jelly | Keiya: /msg dpkg gfdl |
| 09:49.11 | jelly | idle curiosity idly acknowledged. |
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| 09:50.12 | jelly | nijm: the cleanest thing to do, from the point of the packaging system, would be to create a local backport of the library package. |
| 09:51.01 | jelly | nijm: for quick steps to do that "/msg dpkg ssb"; this implies you're doing a backport from debian unstable |
| 09:51.13 | jelly | nijm: also /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 09:52.29 | nijm | jelly, cheers. I take it there's no way to just tell apt that you've taken care of that package? I'm installing some libraries from git for a package I want to help on development with. |
| 09:52.51 | Keiya | Ah, yeah. GFDL, I'd mostly forgotten about it. |
| 09:53.39 | jelly | nijm: there is, but it's the more ugly alternative. |
| 09:53.46 | jelly | nijm: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 09:54.33 | nijm | jelly, thanks for your help; I think that's what I need. |
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| 09:58.16 | alsd | is it possible to reduce the ssh key size or whatnot, so as to prevent ssh from being the bottleneck in the transfer? |
| 09:58.31 | alsd | i mean when doing say, rsync over ssh |
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| 09:59.01 | alsd | isn't fully awake yet |
| 09:59.16 | RamsesII | hand alsd a cup of coffee |
| 09:59.31 | alsd | RamsesII: thanks |
| 10:00.24 | Keiya | Hmmm, O |
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| 10:00.50 | jelly | "it's not ssh, it's your cpu" |
| 10:00.58 | jelly | O:-) |
| 10:01.05 | Keiya | Hmmm, does anyone know of other licenses targeted at the same space as the GFDL tries to cover? I'm in my overly curious mode again >_< |
| 10:01.14 | alsd | jelly: iz not mine, iz intel's ;) |
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| 10:01.33 | jelly | alsd: so it's intel's problem! NEXT! |
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| 10:01.50 | alsd | jelly: i mean, i own this particular physical implementation, but it's intel's fault in the end |
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| 10:03.21 | alsd | jelly: well, I tried to use the clean standalone rsync server, as explained in the docs, but on debian seems like it likes to use ssh anyway |
| 10:03.27 | alsd | jelly: go figure why |
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| 10:08.45 | alsd | is bored by the "all-secure" trend in free software these days |
| 10:09.37 | icedwater | Hm, would you rather have it insecure? |
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| 10:10.07 | nevyn | all-secure? |
| 10:10.10 | alsd | icedwater: of course! let's have it all open for the world to steal our birthday party photos |
| 10:10.19 | icedwater | Which we put on Facebook, anyway... |
| 10:10.28 | nevyn | rms is against passwords |
| 10:10.36 | slept | is it normal that the httpd.conf file provided by apache 2 is empty or did I mess things up at some point ? |
| 10:10.57 | Ezep | slept: it's empty, use apache2.conf |
| 10:11.06 | slept | Ezep, thanks |
| 10:11.09 | Ezep | np :) |
| 10:12.04 | Ezep | slept: and se apache2.conf commented notes for details about httpd.conf |
| 10:12.10 | Ezep | see* |
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| 10:12.35 | alsd | nevyn: my main grief is against ssh as the default file transfer protocol under unices... on my hardware, doing a network backup means 80% of the CPU time is used in DSA cyphering my birthday party photos to go on the next hop server on my home lan. i really don't really care about wannabe-spys on my home LAN, mind you |
| 10:12.50 | alsd | nevyn: but I do care about waiting in vain for ssh to cypher uselessly |
| 10:13.24 | icedwater | alsd: Ah, i see. |
| 10:13.47 | Ezep | alsd: mount an apache, and do symbolics links to photos |
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| 10:14.02 | Ezep | It's a lot of faster and easier |
| 10:14.06 | slept | Ezep, hmm the option for AllowOverride is set , still it is not executeing script for collectd. What am I missing ? |
| 10:14.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | then setup rsyncd. no security to worry about |
| 10:15.13 | alsd | Ezep: the birthday party photo is just an example... at this time i'm backing up my root fs, i have to go bare rsync or the like, so as to preseve ownerships, permissions, timestamps... |
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| 10:16.21 | Ezep | alsd: I see |
| 10:16.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | you could tar the files through netcat |
| 10:16.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | someone posted about doing that on planet.d.o a month or two ago |
| 10:17.08 | alsd | Kamping_Kaiser: that's what im falling back on, right now |
| 10:17.26 | alsd | dreams of a ssh-like without cypher |
| 10:18.00 | alsd | i've been told rsh did the same sort of stuff at one (long gone) time |
| 10:18.01 | Ezep | You always can open a port, and telnet it :) |
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| 10:18.46 | valdyn | alsd: youre free to use a less cpu intensive cypher |
| 10:19.02 | alsd | Ezep: yes, but i'm talking about ease of use here, and general availability: nowadays, you find ssh on quite every unix host, not others |
| 10:19.27 | Ezep | alsd: I understand you, yes yes :) |
| 10:19.28 | alsd | valdyn: i'd like to... is there one that comes to mind? |
| 10:19.32 | valdyn | alsd: blowfish |
| 10:20.33 | alsd | valdyn: i'll give it a try. thanks for the tip |
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| 10:22.40 | jelly | alsd: did you use rsync:// style urls? |
| 10:23.06 | alsd | jelly: that might be part of the problem actually ;) coz no, I didn't |
| 10:23.13 | alsd | goes back RTFMing |
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| 10:24.13 | emi | !ciao a tutti |
| 10:24.16 | emi | !list |
| 10:24.16 | dpkg | emi: VATTENE VIA |
| 10:24.38 | et | hi, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed says: Do not work off a debconf-get-selections (--installer) generated preseed.cfg but get the values from it and modify the example preseed file with them. |
| 10:24.47 | et | why is that? |
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| 10:28.39 | kibibyte | hi |
| 10:28.43 | kibibyte | is there any sniffer which can tell me whos overloading network bandwith |
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| 10:30.03 | kibibyte | help |
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| 10:31.26 | jelly | kibibyte: if it's tcp traffic, you can match the sniffer output with netstat output to get to the process |
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| 10:32.23 | kibibyte | jelly how?? |
| 10:32.29 | kibibyte | what sniffer |
| 10:32.59 | robertxs | I have done a fresh install of the latest Debian Version, now when i gona edit xorg.conf for my ATI Graphic card the xorg.conf is blank? /Im new to linux. Thanks |
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| 10:33.52 | slept | I can't get apache to execute the scripts which come with collectd, when I click on them they just get displayed. am I missing a package or is this due to not configureing apache (I just the apache2) ? |
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| 10:34.10 | jelly | kibibyte: whatever you like? iptraf, for example. |
| 10:34.10 | craigevil | robertxs: do X -configure then mv xorg.conf.new xorg.conf |
| 10:34.50 | kibibyte | jelly iptraff is sniffer? |
| 10:35.05 | robertxs | craigevil: okey, do i need to install some ATI drivers for my radeon 9100 GIP card also? Or does the latest debian version got it? |
| 10:35.12 | yurikoles | i often got out of range on my monitor. how to fix? |
| 10:35.19 | craigevil | !ATI |
| 10:35.19 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:35.24 | jelly | kibibyte: "iptraf". yes. |
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| 10:40.14 | robertxs | craigevil: when i try to do dpkg-reconfigure it cant find |
| 10:40.17 | enouf | yurikoles: all you need is Vert and Hor Refresh rates set in your xorg.conf for 'out of range' errors |
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| 10:40.36 | enouf | yurikoles: correct/proper ranges ;-) |
| 10:40.39 | doubleclick | i have an intel E2180 processor, what to select in kernel processor family list? |
| 10:40.53 | doubleclick | i know this isn't debian related but... |
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| 10:40.58 | brutus | how do I change my home folder permissions so that other users cannot 'cd' into my home? |
| 10:40.59 | enouf | yurikoles: see your Monitor's manual and x.org wiki , and man xorg.conf |
| 10:41.06 | doubleclick | i think you guys could know better :) |
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| 10:41.26 | doubleclick | E2180 -- http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=31733 |
| 10:41.27 | kibibyte | jelly but this iptraf is scaninng only my computer connections |
| 10:41.27 | enouf | Core2duo doubleclick ? |
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| 10:41.39 | enouf | or is that a Single? |
| 10:41.40 | yurikoles | it's similar to "War and peace" by Dostoevsky (( |
| 10:42.03 | doubleclick | enouf: it has 2 cores... but i think it's not "core2duo" |
| 10:42.19 | Ezep | dual core != core2duo |
| 10:42.20 | doubleclick | enouf: they call it "dualcore" or smthn like that.... |
| 10:42.28 | enouf | doubleclick: hrm .. .earlier yonah and merom version? |
| 10:42.33 | doubleclick | Ezep: that was my point ;) |
| 10:42.40 | Ezep | doubleclick: :) |
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| 10:43.08 | doubleclick | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_microprocessors |
| 10:43.08 | Ezep | 2 processors with one core each one? |
| 10:43.08 | jelly | kibibyte: what did you expect? Is this traffic going thru your computer or not? |
| 10:43.23 | enouf | doubleclick: ask #hardware -- offhand, i'm not sure |
| 10:43.25 | maligor | Ezep, for a generalized specification, wouldn't that be a incorrect assumption ;P |
| 10:43.28 | kibibyte | jelly no |
| 10:43.44 | enouf | doubleclick: but it's atleast a PentiumIII ;-) |
| 10:43.55 | dsa | hi to all,i have installed lenny .but graphics card is MGA G200e.but i am not getting GUI what nmay be the problem>?? |
| 10:44.00 | jelly | kibibyte: you'll have to inspect the traffic that your router, then. |
| 10:44.00 | doubleclick | enouf: that's for sure :) |
| 10:44.06 | kibibyte | there is some person in LAN which havealy uses some p2p program i want find out who is it |
| 10:44.07 | jelly | at* your router |
| 10:44.24 | kibibyte | jelly how to do it , touter is hardware very simple router |
| 10:44.25 | doubleclick | enouf: i'll ask in hardware, tnx anyway ;) |
| 10:44.25 | Ezep | maligor: "lets do our best" :) |
| 10:44.40 | enouf | doubleclick: (which is what those were based off of, The pentium M) |
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| 10:45.06 | jelly | kibibyte: I don't know what your router can do, and it's not really a debian question. |
| 10:45.08 | sitar | brutus: I think the queston is about basic operating system administration, not specifically Debian, but anyway, depends on what you want, try chmod 750 folder_name |
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| 10:45.18 | enouf | doubleclick: careful - the M and P4 Mobile are no way related -- well - you know what i mean |
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| 10:45.35 | Ezep | sitar: he quits a time ago |
| 10:45.38 | kibibyte | jelly but how to sniff local network from my computer and find person which uses p2p |
| 10:45.48 | jelly | kibibyte: you |
| 10:45.57 | doubleclick | enouf: there is a "Pentuim-4/Celeron/P4-based)/Pentium-4 M/older Xeon" option in kernel config... |
| 10:46.06 | enouf | no |
| 10:46.13 | dsa | i am getting warning in log file as horizontal and vertical sync is out of range no other error it shows. |
| 10:46.16 | enouf | that's Netburst Arch |
| 10:46.26 | enouf | you don't have that doubleclick |
| 10:46.31 | jelly | kibibyte: 'll have to plug your computer between the router and the rest of the network, make it act like a bridge and then inspect the traiffic |
| 10:46.39 | doubleclick | enouf: ok, that clears thing a bit... :) |
| 10:46.44 | kibibyte | hm |
| 10:46.59 | jelly | kibibyte: or, if your router is smart enough to export netflow data, use that. |
| 10:47.00 | maligor | aren't the pentium branded cpu's just core arch with less cache |
| 10:47.02 | enouf | doubleclick: google for Merom Yonah arch specification |
| 10:47.03 | Ezep | doubleclick: please, DON'T buy celeron |
| 10:47.24 | maligor | and celerons a step below that :P |
| 10:47.28 | dsa | MGA(0): Not using default mode "960x600" (hsync out of range) |
| 10:47.35 | jelly | kibibyte: try a networking channel |
| 10:47.42 | kibibyte | ok |
| 10:47.48 | robertxs | Now when i have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the xorg.conf is blank :/ |
| 10:48.07 | doubleclick | Ezep: i can't undo it now.. it's running already :) |
| 10:48.27 | Ezep | doubleclick: oh, I see :( |
| 10:48.52 | Ezep | robertxs: yes... the new implementation of Xorg is to don't use conf files and do autodetection |
| 10:49.05 | Ezep | robertxs: man xorg & man xrandr |
| 10:49.19 | doubleclick | oh nevermind.. off to see the #hardware wizards... :) |
| 10:49.33 | enouf | doubleclick: no need to houdinin on us ;-) |
| 10:49.42 | Ezep | haha |
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| 10:50.01 | enouf | doubleclick: i mean - i'm slightly curious as to what the outcome is ... |
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| 10:51.18 | robertxs | Ezep: that's pretty cool =) My english is not the best but i wonder.. doest it autodetect and run fglrx also? |
| 10:51.57 | Ezep | robertxs: you mean, the fglrx module? |
| 10:52.20 | robertxs | Ezep: yes the module |
| 10:52.52 | Ezep | Well, let's say I did't see all the doc x) |
| 10:53.06 | Ezep | robertxs: try on #xorg, I'm sorry |
| 10:53.16 | robertxs | hehe okey =) thanks alot my friend |
| 10:53.36 | themill | robertxs: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Lenny.2CSqueeze |
| 10:54.04 | Ezep | robertxs: you are wellcome :) |
| 10:54.54 | robertxs | thanks themill |
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| 11:08.44 | doubleclick | enouf: #hardware said that E2180 (dualcore) is based on allendale and so are some of the c2d processors... |
| 11:09.05 | doubleclick | enouf: so i selected the "core 2/newer xeon" option... |
| 11:09.34 | Ezep | doubleclick: so 2 cores, 1 phisical processor? |
| 11:09.42 | Ezep | physical |
| 11:09.48 | doubleclick | Ezep: yes |
| 11:11.04 | doubleclick | perhaps i could compile two kernels and do some benchmarking :) |
| 11:11.14 | doubleclick | but i'm a bit lazy :) |
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| 11:13.19 | doubleclick | how do i do some easy benchmarking? i saw that "hardinfo" on gnome has some benchmark... is that ok? |
| 11:15.10 | enouf | lbs.sourceforge.net perhaps? |
| 11:15.21 | enouf | and cpuburn |
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| 11:16.11 | Ezep | That name scare me :p |
| 11:16.20 | enouf | doubleclick: try a #gentoo channel - i guarantee you'll start a war over which is the best selection for Allendales :-P |
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| 11:16.49 | enouf | !ricer |
| 11:16.50 | dpkg | methinks ricer is at gentoo |
| 11:16.58 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:17.02 | omid8bimo | guys, i have 3 interface on my deb server, one of them always get this upon startup "udev: renamed network interface eth0_rename to eth2" |
| 11:17.12 | omid8bimo | and i already have eth2, so it wont work |
| 11:17.17 | enouf | !70 |
| 11:17.17 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 11:17.18 | omid8bimo | why this is happening? |
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| 11:17.50 | doubleclick | enouf: haha, i can imagine.. i don't want to go there :D |
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| 11:18.30 | doubleclick | some people are rally fanatic :D |
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| 11:19.09 | Ezep | doubleclick: your problem is not with debian, it's with you hw :) |
| 11:19.12 | enouf | doubleclick: /join #codesmith and ask c-monkey -- he's been down that path with gentoo and allendales |
| 11:19.31 | edoreld | How do I set the language of the final system with "live-helper". I've tried setting LH_LANGUAGE="de" in chroot file, but to no avail |
| 11:20.17 | doubleclick | Ezep: yes, i mentioned that in the begining.. |
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| 11:21.04 | doubleclick | Ezep: but there is a big difference in attitude between people using debian and people using gentoo for instance... |
| 11:21.17 | Ezep | Yes... sure :) |
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| 11:22.30 | rgr | Ezep: there is. The Debian crowd are fare more fanatical. |
| 11:22.53 | Ezep | We help, we don't discrimine |
| 11:23.00 | rgr | You are not "we". |
| 11:23.09 | maligor | Join or die! |
| 11:23.11 | doubleclick | :) |
| 11:23.13 | rgr | Many do unfortunately. |
| 11:23.24 | Ezep | rgr: d'oh, you're right :) |
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| 11:23.46 | maligor | I've never seen a truly fanatical debian user |
| 11:23.54 | rgr | They even stopped packaging the emacs documentation FFS! |
| 11:23.59 | rgr | maligor: then you're lucky. |
| 11:24.04 | maligor | but I don't browse the mailinglists |
| 11:24.10 | maligor | or subscribe |
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| 11:25.03 | rgr | I think a few of the more luduicrous jobs worths may have been removed from their positions of "decision making" more recently however in order to benefit Debian as a whole. |
| 11:25.04 | maligor | rgr, magically luck I guess? Since I've been using it for some ten years |
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| 11:25.29 | rgr | maligor: I dont really care one way or another on what you see or not. I have seen them here and in other places. |
| 11:25.44 | rgr | maybe you#re immune to it or plain lucky. |
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| 11:26.19 | XTF | Hi. What is the recommended command line FTP client in Debian? |
| 11:26.26 | rgr | Almost any request for help with the NVidia driver installation brings them out for example. |
| 11:26.43 | rgr | XTF: ftp ? |
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| 11:27.34 | XTF | rgr: I meant as scp alternative. Didn't look like ftp could do that. |
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| 11:27.54 | Ezep | XTF: ftp, or ncftp |
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| 11:28.14 | Ezep | ncftp is very pretty |
| 11:28.33 | nsadmin | pretty old... |
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| 11:28.42 | nsadmin | but it really works good I think |
| 11:28.49 | rgr | XTF: use rsync |
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| 11:29.17 | Ezep | nsadmin: the command "cat" is old too :) |
| 11:29.23 | nsadmin | XTF: sftp |
| 11:29.34 | rgr | runs well over ssh.. |
| 11:30.05 | rgr | it can only be an ftp connection? |
| 11:30.09 | XTF | nsadmin: I need FTP, not SFTP. |
| 11:30.10 | nsadmin | Ezep: and cat runs well over ssh too! |
| 11:30.11 | XTF | Yes |
| 11:30.20 | XTF | Destination is Windows... :( |
| 11:30.32 | nsadmin | XTF: for what purpose? anonymous downloads? |
| 11:30.37 | XTF | No, upload. |
| 11:30.37 | superlinux | guys.. i am using netcat. It's not clear to me how can type the range of ports for it in the manual page. please help. |
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| 11:30.50 | Ezep | nsadmin: haha |
| 11:30.50 | XTF | Single file upload. |
| 11:30.59 | nsadmin | and no passwords are used? |
| 11:31.00 | humbolt | How can a Intel Core 2 Duo processor have 2 cores but not DualCore (P9600)? Does anybody have an explanation for that? http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGE6 http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37266 |
| 11:31.02 | rgr | lftp looks good too. rsync cant work over ftp. |
| 11:31.11 | XTF | I'm afraid a password will be used. |
| 11:31.18 | XTF | Not sure whether it's FTP over SSL. |
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| 11:31.27 | humbolt | Compare it to the P9700: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGQS |
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| 11:31.41 | nsadmin | then you're using a protocol which is cleartext and will be seen on every wire between you |
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| 11:31.47 | Ezep | humbolt: a core per processor |
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| 11:32.13 | humbolt | Ezep: ?? What do you mean? |
| 11:32.16 | XTF | nsadmin: I'm aware of that, yes. |
| 11:32.43 | superlinux | thanks |
| 11:32.47 | Ezep | humbolt: dualcore is for 2 cores in a single processor |
| 11:32.49 | superlinux | i just figured it |
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| 11:33.22 | nsadmin | as long as you don't mind that password being plastered over the New York Times and syndicated by all news agencies worldwide, I guess you're good to go... |
| 11:33.28 | humbolt | Ezep: The processor finder app says I have 2 cores in P9600 but then, when I go and check the details it does not show the DualCore feature. Please check the links to understand. |
| 11:33.30 | Ezep | superlinux: try $minport-$maxport |
| 11:33.45 | superlinux | it worked.. but as UDP |
| 11:34.03 | superlinux | i wanted a multicast, not broadcast |
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| 11:34.27 | nsadmin | humbolt: so cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't show two cores? |
| 11:35.08 | humbolt | nsadmin: I don't have the processor just yet. I am in the process of making a purchasing decision. |
| 11:35.24 | superlinux | now i found how to make netcat work like Norton Ghost to do a network imaging |
| 11:35.43 | XTF | nsadmin: Yeah, except I'm still looking for the command. rsync's man page is huge. |
| 11:36.04 | superlinux | i mean one disk image to all other identical computers in the network |
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| 11:36.25 | Ezep | superlinux: cool |
| 11:36.26 | omid8bimo | i have an issue by the way, my server's status (sys load) reaches 2 every morning at around 5/6, and i dont know what it running at that time which cause my server slow down tremundesly |
| 11:36.40 | omid8bimo | anybody knows how can i see what was running at that time? |
| 11:36.44 | nsadmin | which way is the issue by? |
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| 11:37.08 | Ezep | omid8bimo: maybe a cron'ed thing? |
| 11:37.21 | superlinux | i found how to reverse the way to "cat some_file" from server to clients. |
| 11:37.25 | cahoot | look in /etc/crontab |
| 11:37.34 | omid8bimo | Ezep: could be, i'm checking that right now, but anything beside that maybe? |
| 11:37.39 | superlinux | usually they do it the client to server |
| 11:37.57 | nsadmin | it's probably running updatedb |
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| 11:38.11 | Ezep | omid8bimo: mmm, idk :/ |
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| 11:38.54 | SURFkees | is there a way to make dpkg ignore errors in the postrm script? |
| 11:39.11 | superlinux | however i feel if you want a guaranteed disk transfer , it's better to make different server instances |
| 11:39.33 | nsadmin | that's how it knows there was a problem installing the package. find and solve the problem. |
| 11:40.09 | honschu | Hi, I'm searching the old kde theme package from 1.x named: MacOS-theme_0.50.tar.gz Maybe someone out there has a old CD-Set or something with this content. I was in love with one of the wallpapers in there. |
| 11:42.44 | Ezep | honschu: maybe searching in archives? |
| 11:43.13 | honschu | Ezep: It's listed here: http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.kde.org/unstable/apps/KDE1.x/themes/00INDEX.html but sadly not in the content |
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| 11:43.40 | honschu | Ezep: I think they just copied 1:1 from MacOS and because of that it's offline. |
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| 11:43.53 | eshat | Hi all,... is there a repository for KDE 4.3 (RC3) ? |
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| 11:44.17 | Ezep | honschu: mmm, I see, sorry I'm not a kde user |
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| 11:46.17 | aliceinwire | http://aliceinwire.pastebin.com/m686ddee5 http://aliceinwire.pastebin.com/d75fbbff8 where is wrong ? |
| 11:46.48 | dsa | hi to all,is Matrox graphics card works under debian? |
| 11:47.12 | Ezep | honschu: tried in #kde? :) |
| 11:47.30 | dsa | i am getting error after restarting gdm as ..input is not supported |
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| 11:47.45 | honschu | Ezep: Sure, ... but no one answered. So I'm currently writing to the kde-mailinglist |
| 11:47.58 | Ezep | Good |
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| 11:50.45 | debrob | Ezep: I tryed to follow the guide for fglrx but it doesnt work when im try to start gdm it says error couldt find Default Screen. |
| 11:51.09 | Ezep | debrob: a bad configuration of xorg.conf |
| 11:51.22 | Ezep | debrob: check "Default Screen" section |
| 11:51.35 | debrob | Ezep: Hmm probaly, but why are the xorg.conf file blank? |
| 11:52.12 | Ezep | Xorg new autodetection implementation |
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| 11:52.50 | debrob | Ezep: yeah i understand that but i dont like the xorg.conf is blank how should i change the Driver "Example: ATI" |
| 11:53.09 | enouf | dsa: sounds like an input device error, not video |
| 11:53.52 | enouf | dsa: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:54.19 | enouf | debrob: man xorg.conf after an X -configure |
| 11:54.26 | Ezep | debrob: I don't like it too :) |
| 11:54.37 | enouf | 3 |
| 11:54.46 | debrob | Hehe thats good that im not alone to hate it =P |
| 11:54.55 | dsa | enouf, error is input not supported but grep EE in Xorg.log nothing shows |
| 11:55.04 | debrob | enouf: i have read it but dont understand so much ^^^ |
| 11:55.06 | Ezep | debrob: I cried about it a week ago :) |
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| 11:55.17 | debrob | haha =) |
| 11:55.49 | dsa | enouf, log file contain only warning and message regarding device configured etc. |
| 11:55.56 | Ezep | debrob: search for a default xorg.conf that stand with your card |
| 11:56.13 | Ezep | Maxtor video? |
| 11:56.22 | dsa | enouf, as well horizontalsync vertrefresh out of range |
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| 11:57.11 | debrob | Ezep: I gona search if i find someone, but didt debian had like reconfigure xorg.conf before? It was pretty simple |
| 11:57.24 | Ezep | debrob: yes :( |
| 11:57.45 | debrob | damn it :P |
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| 11:59.10 | debrob | Ezep: you think this one could work? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459837 |
| 11:59.27 | debrob | Ezep: if you look down on the bottom of the page |
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| 12:00.25 | Ezep | debrob: yes, you could use it as a skel, and with "man xorg" modify it at you pleasure |
| 12:00.40 | debrob | Ezep: okey cool |
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| 12:02.24 | marcel_ | hi, i just mounted a usb device with no problem. but now im wondering how much storage the device has? is there a command to check this |
| 12:02.25 | enouf | dsa: perhaps your gdm is broken - try gdmsetup? |
| 12:02.29 | debrob | Ezep: if someone happend when im trying to edit xorg.conf i should just do it blank like it is from the beginning? |
| 12:02.37 | debrob | *somethings |
| 12:02.43 | enouf | marcel_: fdisk -l |
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| 12:03.01 | enouf | marcel_: mounted or not |
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| 12:03.16 | Ezep | debrob: err, yes, but try to backup your old conf... |
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| 12:03.27 | debrob | yep i will do that |
| 12:03.38 | dsa | enouf, thjis is first time i am booting in installed lenny |
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| 12:03.50 | dsa | is it bug? |
| 12:04.28 | Ezep | marcel_: or df -h |
| 12:04.29 | enouf | dsa: no idea, grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if proper Xorg drivers are loaded |
| 12:04.31 | abrotman | dsa: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. it should give you more info |
| 12:04.55 | enouf | Ezep: that'll only tell (overall) partition size .. |
| 12:05.11 | Ezep | Oh, you are right |
| 12:05.16 | LoloftheRings | hi all, my cd's and dvd's can no longer be mounted in squeeze. Trying to mount it in "Computer" returns me the error: "Unable to mount location, no media in the drive" |
| 12:05.17 | LoloftheRings | I think I accidentally removed some important daemon or such.. Does anyone know which? |
| 12:05.19 | enouf | marcel_: also hdparm -i /dev/name |
| 12:05.31 | boulbul | Hello, how can I check my debian lenny system against any malware or spyware or viruses? thanks |
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| 12:05.45 | enouf | Ezep: i almost suggested yours too .. no worries ;-) |
| 12:05.53 | Ezep | :) |
| 12:06.14 | marcel_ | Ezep: is there away to make fdisk -l give size in MB? im a nub i know ;x |
| 12:06.31 | dsa | enouf, gdmsetup says error as can not open display |
| 12:06.40 | enouf | boulbul: there are some rootkit sniffing utils .. also clamav and such in volatile - but unices don't get viruses |
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| 12:06.42 | Ezep | marcel_: try this <enouf> marcel_: also hdparm -i /dev/name |
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| 12:06.50 | dsa | because of gdm is not running |
| 12:07.39 | Ezep | marcel_: remember that 1kb are 1024b, and 1mb are 1024kb |
| 12:07.42 | marcel_ | Ezep: package not installed =) |
| 12:07.53 | enouf | dsa: i don't use gdm .. i don't know what's wrong |
| 12:08.20 | enouf | dsa: are you root user running these? |
| 12:08.30 | Ezep | marcel_: please, install it, "apt-get install hdparm" as root |
| 12:08.42 | enouf | dsa: bootup, login to TTY as username, then startx |
| 12:08.45 | dsa | enouf, yes i am running as root |
| 12:08.56 | enouf | dsa: that's why then |
| 12:09.26 | abrotman | dsa: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. it should give you more info .. or paste the Xorg.0.log in a pastebin |
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| 12:09.46 | enouf | marcel_: just add 3 zeros to the GB number :-p |
| 12:09.54 | Ezep | Quits.. :P |
| 12:10.26 | enouf | Disk /dev/hdc: 82.3 GB --> 82,300 MB ;-) |
| 12:10.37 | abrotman | dsa: and you start gdm like `/etc/init.d/gdm start` .. or restart it `/etc/init.d/gdm restart` |
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| 12:10.42 | LoloftheRings | Does anyone know why my dvd's and cd's are no longer reconized? I have two dvd drives, both stopped working today or yesterday |
| 12:11.10 | enouf | (i mean, depending how rounded you want the numbers. etc) |
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| 12:11.55 | eshat | Is there an unofficial repository for kde 4.3 (RC3) for unstable ? |
| 12:11.58 | enouf | describe 'stopped working' |
| 12:12.30 | LoloftheRings | enouf, they are just not recognized, I cannot mount them. |
| 12:12.44 | enouf | you don't need to |
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| 12:13.15 | LoloftheRings | ? |
| 12:13.42 | enouf | Data DVDs? LoloftheRings modprobe udf iso9660 |
| 12:14.06 | CharminTheMoose | enouf of this talk. We need a moose! |
| 12:14.10 | boulbul | enouf: thanks for your answer...I found what is clamav...but did not understand "such in vlotile"? |
| 12:14.23 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: m~~sHi33333 |
| 12:14.36 | enouf | boulbul: /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 12:14.42 | CharminTheMoose | HIHIHIHIhihihihihi!!!11!HIHI enouf. :D |
| 12:14.57 | enouf | easy there m00shi3 :-) |
| 12:15.09 | CharminTheMoose | Sorry, I haven't talked to ya in aaages |
| 12:15.10 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: pm on the way |
| 12:15.15 | LoloftheRings | enouf, well.. no cd's and dvd's work. I've tried several. |
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| 12:21.33 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 12:23.11 | dsa | enouf,abrotman http://pastebin.com/m1523c7d1 |
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| 12:27.28 | enouf | dsa: er 2.6.22-3-486 ? |
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| 12:27.49 | dsa | enouf, that is my compiled kernel. |
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| 12:29.24 | enouf | well, your Matrox (and keys+mouse) seem to be working fine |
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| 12:31.13 | dsa | enouf, yes log file not showing any error as well...so unable to debug and get gui |
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| 12:32.20 | enouf | dsa: something wrong with your DE i guess - you don't _need_ a DM (such as gdm) - i told you what to do earlier |
| 12:33.20 | dsa | enouf, i tried with normal user running startx but still same error .. |
| 12:34.00 | adb | !same error |
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| 12:35.10 | dsa | adb, input not supported |
| 12:35.16 | enouf | dsa: what error is it again please? |
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| 12:35.34 | enouf | dsa: try a debian kernel |
| 12:35.38 | dsa | enouf, input not supported |
| 12:36.55 | enouf | dsa: try a debian kernel - might be an evdev issue |
| 12:37.27 | enouf | !evdev |
| 12:37.27 | dpkg | i heard evdev is the generic input event interface of the Linux kernel, and an input driver for X.org. It's probably the way to get all of the buttons working on your new shiney Logitech mouse. See <http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Mouse+Buttons>, or see <xorg reconfiguration tip> |
| 12:37.34 | dsa | enouf, with same kernel and old unstable lenny it was working fine |
| 12:37.48 | enouf | dsa: shit happens, things change |
| 12:38.24 | dsa | enouf, if i change mouse and keyboard then it may work?? |
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| 12:38.34 | enouf | likely not |
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| 12:40.00 | chrisb | hi |
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| 12:40.59 | chrisb | ? |
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| 12:44.29 | sam_affable | hello there |
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| 12:46.04 | lulusux | HELLO |
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| 12:47.14 | lulusux | www.e-facto.com/admin login : 'or '1'='1' or '2' = ' no password ??? this is a website of french company specialize in webdeveloppement secure !!!! it's normaly ? |
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| 12:47.54 | Frygg|ZzZ | est revenu ( ZzzzZZzZ !!! ) depuis 11 hr 32 min 52 s |
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| 12:49.34 | themill | Frygg: please turn that off |
| 12:49.34 | lxsameer | can i build a debian cd image that do not contain xserver or any desktop environment by debian-cd? |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | !tell Frygg abotu away |
| 12:49.46 | abrotman | !tell Frygg about away |
| 12:49.50 | sam_affable | hey there im trying to install debian lenny on pen drive following this guide http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar |
| 12:49.55 | abrotman | lxsameer: use the netinst |
| 12:50.04 | Frygg | Stop stop |
| 12:50.07 | Frygg | .. |
| 12:50.07 | abrotman | sam_affable: you see the title says ubuntu right ? |
| 12:51.16 | sam_affable | abrotman: yes i see it as ubuntu but im following that and experimenting with debian lenny |
| 12:51.18 | lxsameer | abrotman, i try to build a special distro from debian and i costumize DI but i have some problem with debian-cd |
| 12:51.32 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 12:51.32 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | lxsameer: what's wrong with the netinst as it is ? |
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| 12:52.18 | greenmang0 | slim: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
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| 12:52.24 | greenmang0 | receiving this error |
| 12:52.29 | greenmang0 | not able to run xserver |
| 12:52.36 | greenmang0 | what can be the solution? |
| 12:52.54 | lxsameer | abrotman, nothing but its not what i want . can i make an iso without any desktop environment with debian-cd? |
| 12:53.13 | abrotman | lxsameer: i suppose .. but i still don't see why you don't just use the netinst |
| 12:53.22 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about custom netinst |
| 12:53.26 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about cdd |
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| 12:54.03 | project2501a | lal ena Agiofws |
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| 12:54.40 | project2501a | damn it. i get a warning on the gnome network manager "wired network device not managed" |
| 12:54.43 | project2501a | what am i missing? |
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| 12:54.49 | sam_affable | the problem i face is strange i have an 8gb pen drive which has widows virus autorun.inf and exe when i try to format that on my debian lenny box according to that guide for some reason even after formating as reiserfs ....it shows as fat32 and i still see crap MS virus in it ...can anyone help with that i need to install debian on pen drive |
| 12:54.58 | project2501a | got it |
| 12:54.59 | optraz | hi, which file that actually write to /proc/net/arp |
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| 12:55.22 | greenmang0 | abrotman: help me please |
| 12:55.41 | optraz | hi, which file that actually write to /proc/net/arp |
| 12:55.42 | abrotman | help you what? |
| 12:55.58 | abrotman | greenmang0: are you running unstable ? |
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| 12:56.15 | abrotman | sam_affable: re-fdisk it ? |
| 12:56.17 | greenmang0 | abrotman: no.. lenny stable |
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| 12:57.43 | abrotman | can you use startx instead of slim? |
| 12:57.59 | optraz | anyone know which file actually wrote to /proc/net/arp? |
| 12:58.45 | greenmang0 | abrotman: let me try |
| 12:58.45 | jelly | optraz: that's a virtual file, provided by the kernel |
| 12:59.05 | project2501a | where's the general debian channel? |
| 12:59.15 | optraz | jelly: ok, i need to look actually which kernel file that wrote to /proc/net/arp |
| 12:59.21 | optraz | jelly: need to understand some of the logic |
| 12:59.50 | jelly | optraz: there is no "file" that writes there. It seems to be a representation of kernel's ARP cache |
| 12:59.58 | abrotman | project2501a: this is it |
| 13:00.23 | project2501a | abrotman: the off topic mate |
| 13:00.28 | project2501a | got it thanks :) |
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| 13:01.09 | lvh | how can i convince the GNOME window selector applet to show the title of the currently active window? |
| 13:01.15 | lvh | It apparently used to do this because people were using this behavior: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Config_archive, grep for "Yates" |
| 13:01.18 | lvh | Screenshot: http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/e/e2/John-yates-gnome-bar.png |
| 13:01.24 | lvh | I can't get it to do that anymore, and there doesnt appear to be an options dialog to configure it. |
| 13:01.29 | optraz | jelly: probably this http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/net/ipv4/arp.c |
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| 13:02.15 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42751/ |
| 13:02.19 | jelly | optraz: try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol |
| 13:02.32 | sam_affable | abortman: i tried fdisk many times i even tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc but still i see my pen drive as fat32 and have that crap virus ..anyway clue on this one ? |
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| 13:03.51 | optraz | jelly: yeap, had that. but not answering my quest. |
| 13:04.03 | optraz | jelly: i ahve entry like 00:00:00:00:00:00 in my system |
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| 13:04.14 | jelly | optraz: you didn't ask one, so far |
| 13:04.16 | boulbul | enouf: what is the best sniffing tool you recomend please? |
| 13:04.28 | optraz | jelly: was wondering why all the zero in my arp cache table |
| 13:04.50 | enouf | boulbul: i don't know .. wired? or wifi? aircrack-ng? |
| 13:05.00 | enouf | boulbul: ask ##networking perhaps |
| 13:05.34 | jelly | optraz: this means your machine put up an ARP request, but hasn't received a response so far |
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| 13:06.31 | optraz | jelly: :o is the linux kernel source comment like you comment? |
| 13:06.53 | abrotman | sam_affable: use fdisk -l to see the partitions |
| 13:07.05 | jelly | optraz: sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say |
| 13:07.33 | abrotman | greenmang0: did you install or remove any packages lately ? if you run `aptitude install xorg` .. does it want to install anything ? |
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| 13:08.00 | boulbul | enouf:thanks |
| 13:08.01 | sam_affable | abortman: fdisk -l shows my pen drive /dev/sda1 W95 FAT33 |
| 13:08.13 | optraz | jelly: your said "is means your machine put up an ARP request, but hasn't received a response so far" where in the kernel source tree comment on this? |
| 13:08.33 | abrotman | sam_affable: so run fdisk interactively .. and change the partition |
| 13:08.36 | sam_affable | abortman: opps i meant fdisk -l shows my pen drive as fat32 |
| 13:08.53 | jelly | optraz: I have no idea. |
| 13:09.23 | jelly | optraz: the kernel source probably won't explain the basics of a protocol. |
| 13:09.23 | optraz | jelly: then how do you come into that statement that 00:00:00:00:00:00 means ur machine put up an ARP request, but hasn't received a response so far |
| 13:09.27 | greenmang0 | greenmang0: i installed swiftfox using dpkg -i |
| 13:09.42 | jelly | optraz: empirical evidence |
| 13:10.21 | jelly | optraz: btw, arp cache is usually manipulated using /usr/sbin/arp program, which exists in most unixes; no need to look in /proc |
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| 13:10.38 | sam_affable | abortman: i tried that i ran fdisk /dev/sda and deleted and created new partition but still it dosent work i dont get any errors during the operation but the result is still fat32 with crap virus on the pen drive |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | sam_affable: did you actually write the partition table ? |
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| 13:11.19 | justin | sam_affable: if you dd'd /dev/zero over the device, there is no fat32 partition on that drive anymore |
| 13:11.22 | optraz | jelly: well, arp read from /proc |
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| 13:11.41 | jelly | optraz: on Linux, yes. |
| 13:12.16 | edoreld | I installed the xfce4 package from a command-line-only environment, and when I rebooted there was still not a graphical interface. Is there something else I should install? |
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| 13:12.28 | sam_affable | abortman: yeah fdisk /dev/sda and then d and then n and t ( to linux) and then w (write) returns no error but the result is fat32 and virus |
| 13:12.28 | goldfingered | hi ! How can I go about installing xorg without all the drivers for the different gfx cards I do not need (virtualbox guest only requires vesa and guest-additions) ? |
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| 13:13.01 | jelly | optraz: but you have the same command on Windows NT or Solaris or a BSD system, and that's the preferred interface. |
| 13:13.13 | abrotman | goldfingered: it's not worth the effort . they're small |
| 13:13.30 | optraz | jelly: not too far |
| 13:13.43 | optraz | jelly: im just like ot know what causes entry 00 in the arp table |
| 13:13.59 | goldfingered | abrotman: 34MiB is small - just not clean since it is stuff I do not want - thx anyway |
| 13:14.02 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42753/ |
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| 13:14.33 | greenmang0 | abrotman: found this on system... n00b user is using debian |
| 13:14.34 | abrotman | goldfingered: the effort involved (and the problems it might cause) isn't worth 34MB |
| 13:14.54 | jelly | optraz: oh. Well, you got an answer. |
| 13:15.01 | abrotman | greenmang0: /var/log/dpkg.log is what you want to look at |
| 13:15.18 | sam_affable | justin: yeah dd /dev/zero will erase everything and that is what i expected...but to my surprise there are no errors when i execute dd /dev/zero on my pen drive but the result dosent change its still fat32 with virus :-( ...is it something to do with virus ? but i guess windows virus wont effect linux right ? |
| 13:15.31 | goldfingered | abrotman: Ok - I'll get on with it then and stop whinning... |
| 13:15.39 | justin | sam_affable: have you actually SEEN this virus since you ran the dd command? |
| 13:16.28 | optraz | jelly: empirical evidence, im not convince till i understand from soruce code |
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| 13:16.42 | sam_affable | justin: yeah its still there on my pen drive even after i ran dd command |
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| 13:16.59 | justin | sam_affable: uhh, did you do something dumb like run the dd command while the filesytem was mounted? |
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| 13:17.30 | goldfingered | sam_affable: I would guess most likely your usb-pen is damaged... |
| 13:17.52 | goldfingered | sam_affable: something similar happened to me... if you can get a new one |
| 13:18.03 | justin | goldfingered: you're not helping |
| 13:18.15 | sam_affable | justin: i unmounted the pen driver before executing dd |
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| 13:18.35 | sam_affable | goldfingerd : oh ok |
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| 13:18.53 | __talon | hello, i have a question about apt-get |
| 13:19.00 | justin | sam_affable: I think you should pastebin what command you ran and the output you are getting |
| 13:19.06 | justin | sam_affable: I think you are seriously confused about something |
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| 13:19.17 | __talon | i want to set up a private repository |
| 13:19.24 | JyZyGyZyX | why does my debian give /dev/hdb name to the only HD thats in primary master channel |
| 13:19.26 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42755/ |
| 13:19.38 | JyZyGyZyX | where is it assigned? |
| 13:19.41 | __talon | can i use sftp for this, rather than ftp? |
| 13:19.43 | sam_affable | justing: ok wil paste it and the results too |
| 13:19.53 | greenmang0 | abrotman: aptitude install xorg is not installing anythig |
| 13:20.03 | abrotman | greenmang0: probably installing packages from unstable isn't a good thing ? |
| 13:20.22 | justin | JyZyGyZyX: the most likely explanation is that the drive is not actually the primary master |
| 13:20.36 | __talon | JyZyGyZyX: you should check out the udev rules |
| 13:20.39 | JyZyGyZyX | justin: well the drive used to be in the secondary master |
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| 13:20.47 | greenmang0 | abrotman: you are right... what do i do now? |
| 13:20.50 | JyZyGyZyX | __talon: yea but where is the udev rules for HD's? |
| 13:20.51 | jelly | optraz: I'd suggest you first get a good idea how ARP works, play with arp and a sniffer (like tcpdump) to see what happens on the link layer with arp requests and replies. |
| 13:20.52 | abrotman | JyZyGyZyX: what does the bios think it is ? |
| 13:20.58 | JyZyGyZyX | abrotman: primary master |
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| 13:21.01 | JyZyGyZyX | as i changed it |
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| 13:21.12 | JyZyGyZyX | and took the old primary master out |
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| 13:21.46 | JyZyGyZyX | so i think it has a udev rule or something |
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| 13:21.53 | JyZyGyZyX | like NIC's do |
| 13:22.02 | optraz | jelly: as far as i know, arp only work on peers on *same* subnets |
| 13:22.13 | JyZyGyZyX | like no matter what slow you put the NIC it always get the same tittle |
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| 13:22.55 | __talon | anybody know about my apt-get question - is it possible to use sftp repositories? |
| 13:23.09 | __talon | assuming ssh keys are in place |
| 13:23.15 | themill | __talon: there's an ssh method it can use |
| 13:23.20 | jelly | optraz: in any case, this isn't a Debian specific issue, so you might get better answers in ##Linux, or ##networking, or ##kernel |
| 13:23.40 | optraz | jelly: i go for kernel |
| 13:23.41 | optraz | thanks |
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| 13:25.14 | themill | __talon: http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ |
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| 13:25.26 | zhxk | gentlemen,do you think it's a good idea to offwork and do lance home? |
| 13:25.41 | sam_affable | justin: executing dd if=/de/zero of=/dev/sda ( /dev/sda1 ) is my pen drive its taking time will pastebin the result |
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| 13:26.11 | sam_affable | justin: i meant executing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 13:26.28 | scream_ | sam_affable, don't forget bs=1M |
| 13:26.29 | abrotman | zhxk: this is your last warning |
| 13:26.29 | _slk | you can see progress of dd |
| 13:26.46 | _slk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.47 | scream_ | or you will have to wait a few hours instead of minutes :) |
| 13:26.54 | _slk | see dd man page sam_affable |
| 13:27.09 | sam_affable | oh ok will do that thanx |
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| 13:27.36 | _slk | send a USR1 to the dd process and it will tell you in stderr how much its coppied so far |
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| 13:28.18 | JyZyGyZyX | its just fucking stupid cause update-grub updates the root()'s wrong |
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| 13:28.30 | JyZyGyZyX | its root(0,1) and update-grub does root(1,1) |
| 13:28.51 | JyZyGyZyX | so every time i gotta go and manually change that shit |
| 13:28.52 | justin | JyZyGyZyX: /boot/grub/device.map ? |
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| 13:28.59 | JyZyGyZyX | justin: hd0 /dev/hdb |
| 13:29.06 | justin | there you go |
| 13:29.08 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: alter # groot= |
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| 13:29.14 | JyZyGyZyX | justin: it doesn't help |
| 13:29.18 | justin | JyZyGyZyX: it's wrong. fix it |
| 13:29.19 | JyZyGyZyX | enouf: whats that? |
| 13:29.26 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: in menu.lst |
| 13:29.38 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: it;s correct justin |
| 13:29.49 | enouf | justin: hda could be an optical drive |
| 13:30.00 | justin | enouf: he says it's not |
| 13:30.04 | enouf | in which case, not an hdX |
| 13:30.11 | enouf | oh ...hrmph |
| 13:30.17 | JyZyGyZyX | there is no hda |
| 13:30.33 | enouf | i shoudl've said "could be" correct |
| 13:30.37 | JyZyGyZyX | there only is hdb |
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| 13:31.12 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: no there isn't, you don't have a slave without a master |
| 13:31.17 | enouf | there i said it |
| 13:31.24 | JyZyGyZyX | its master |
| 13:31.30 | JyZyGyZyX | without a slave |
| 13:31.49 | JyZyGyZyX | in the first IDE channel, hence the name primary master |
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| 13:32.07 | enouf | you're going to tell me about BIOS basics now? |
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| 13:32.18 | jelly | JyZyGyZyX: it would typically be "hda" in linux, then, not "hdb" |
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| 13:32.24 | JyZyGyZyX | jelly: yea |
| 13:32.28 | JyZyGyZyX | but for some reason its hdb |
| 13:32.30 | enouf | if update-grub read device.map then that's your issue |
| 13:32.42 | enouf | if not, then it's what a said (# groot=) |
| 13:32.53 | JyZyGyZyX | enouf: well looks like update-grub doesn't care what device map says |
| 13:32.56 | enouf | reads* |
| 13:33.08 | JyZyGyZyX | (hd0) /dev/hdb |
| 13:33.14 | jelly | JyZyGyZyX: could be you really have it configured as slave |
| 13:33.20 | JyZyGyZyX | its hd0 in bios and /dev/hdb in debian |
| 13:33.30 | justin | JyZyGyZyX: for fucks sake, change the hdb to hda |
| 13:33.32 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: did you alter the Jumpers yet on the drive? |
| 13:33.33 | JyZyGyZyX | jelly: oh you mean the jumper? |
| 13:33.41 | JyZyGyZyX | interesting theory |
| 13:33.45 | jelly | JyZyGyZyX: right. pastebin your dmesg |
| 13:33.50 | justin | ugh |
| 13:33.54 | enouf | lmao |
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| 13:34.15 | JyZyGyZyX | jelly: got a command to get the dmesg from latest bootup? |
| 13:34.25 | jelly | "dmesg" |
| 13:34.27 | jelly | ... |
| 13:34.31 | JyZyGyZyX | yea no its flooded |
| 13:34.35 | themill | wonders how JyZyGyZyX "changed the drive from slave to master" without fiddling with jumpers |
| 13:34.38 | JyZyGyZyX | so i cleared it |
| 13:34.38 | enouf | takes the Title of MrBIOS-Basics away from JyZyGyZyX for a long time |
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| 13:34.50 | justin | themill: most drives come configured as 'cable select' |
| 13:34.57 | jelly | JyZyGyZyX: /var/log/kern.log* should will keep it all |
| 13:35.01 | jelly | s/will // |
| 13:35.03 | JyZyGyZyX | themill: most of the times i totally forget it cause nowdays its not required |
| 13:35.04 | justin | JyZyGyZyX: /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:35.07 | enouf | in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 13:35.17 | JyZyGyZyX | should use the darn cable select! |
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| 13:36.05 | themill | justin: quite. But "changed" implies having actively done something. |
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| 13:39.30 | JyZyGyZyX | ill just shutdown and go look the jumper |
| 13:39.55 | JyZyGyZyX | gotta boot anyways to get the crappy alsa going again |
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| 13:40.35 | JyZyGyZyX | tried to get OSS4 working but for some reason the modules wont load with debian kernel |
| 13:40.42 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: is udevd running? |
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| 13:40.51 | JyZyGyZyX | probably alsas fault u_U |
| 13:41.10 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 13:41.22 | enouf | JyZyGyZyX: select which you want |
| 13:41.39 | enouf | man your nick is annoying |
| 13:41.43 | JyZyGyZyX | i know! |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | it's easier just to ignore him :) |
| 13:41.58 | JyZyGyZyX | i don't know how to change it |
| 13:42.08 | JyZyGyZyX | znc should change it automatically |
| 13:42.08 | enouf | reminds me of Registry keys and rot13 |
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| 13:43.03 | sam_affable | justin: i ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda and new terminal i ran pgrep -l '^dd$' which gave pid as 11185 dd an then i ran kill -USR1 11185 to check the current state of dd and it returns nothing...so some problem with pen drive itself |
| 13:43.33 | JyZyGyZyX | guess ill try to reconnect |
| 13:43.35 | sam_affable | i wanted to pastebin the output of dd but its taking long time |
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| 13:44.07 | abrotman | sam_affable: it's 8GB .. how long did you think it would take? |
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| 13:45.15 | JyZyXEL | ##c :Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks (JyZyGyZyX => JyZyXEL) that was the reason |
| 13:45.16 | sam_affable | abortman : yeah but kill -USR1 11185 should shows the progress right but it retuns nothing |
| 13:45.28 | JyZyXEL | thats freenode stuff |
| 13:45.33 | enouf | sam_affable: SIGUSR1? |
| 13:45.55 | JyZyXEL | enouf: are you happy now? |
| 13:46.05 | abrotman | it's still annoying |
| 13:46.17 | enouf | sam_affable: also note; there's usually many process that return for 'dd' - make sure your get PID correct |
| 13:46.39 | enouf | JyZyXEL: that;s a debian channel issue? |
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| 13:46.51 | enouf | JyZyXEL: oh waut |
| 13:47.02 | JyZyXEL | yea maybe i am? |
| 13:47.09 | sam_affable | enouf:kill -SIGUSR1 11185 retuns nothing too |
| 13:47.10 | enouf | 06:24 [Freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all, we appear to be having some routing issues causing the network which services reside on to be unreachable, we're looking into it now -- please be aware that services (chanserv, nickserv etc) are unresponsive currently. Please set yourself +w for further information as we look into this. |
| 13:47.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.17 | JyZyXEL | certainly abrotman feels that way |
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| 13:48.22 | enouf | wow .. heh |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | moves enouf's keyboard around |
| 13:48.22 | sam_affable | enouf: i cross check again using ps -A | grep ... dd 11185 pts/0 00:00:00 dd |
| 13:48.24 | adb | sam_affable: why of=/dev/sda ? sda has no partition/s ? |
| 13:48.30 | enouf | sam_affable: you need to switch terminals, have dd on termA ; send SIG from termB ; look at output on termA |
| 13:49.08 | enouf | adb: he;s trying to completely wipe out the drive - some virus thing -- i bet it's U3 crap |
| 13:49.27 | sam_affable | adb: sda has fat32 partition which crap MS virus |
| 13:49.33 | justin | sam_affable: ot |
| 13:49.36 | abrotman | just let him finish |
| 13:49.38 | justin | sam_affable: it's not SUPPOSED to return anything |
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| 13:49.57 | sam_affable | enouf:dd is running termA and SIG on termB |
| 13:50.17 | JyZyXEL | there is a tool called shred that can be used to overwrite files |
| 13:50.24 | sam_affable | justin: oh ok i was following this http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/06/show-progress-during-dd-copy.html |
| 13:50.26 | JyZyXEL | i think it also worked on block devices |
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| 13:50.33 | abrotman | just let him finish what he's doing |
| 13:51.48 | JyZyXEL | last time i did: shred -v -n1 --random-source=/dev/zero /dev/SDA |
| 13:52.03 | enouf | JyZyXEL: there's no reason to overwrite zeros ;-) |
| 13:52.03 | justin | JyZyXEL: not necessary |
| 13:52.12 | mjt | heh |
| 13:52.14 | JyZyXEL | enouf: oh hows so |
| 13:52.21 | JyZyXEL | thats the fastest i believe |
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| 13:52.49 | mjt | fastest is just to throw away the partition table |
| 13:52.54 | mjt | first 512 bytes of disk |
| 13:53.06 | mjt | it's enough to clean up any viruses |
| 13:53.07 | robertxs | When im try to install the ATI Drivers i get the message X Server: unable to detect |
| 13:53.25 | JyZyXEL | oh but i was securely erasing the whole disk |
| 13:53.27 | maligor | robertxs, don't use the installer from ati |
| 13:53.45 | JyZyXEL | so the data in it can't be recovered anymore |
| 13:53.57 | maligor | robertxs, you can use the package builder with random success tho, but using the installer script is a bad idea |
| 13:54.07 | mjt | for "secure" erasing it's really like that -- writing to all sectors of disk |
| 13:54.22 | robertxs | maligor: is there any guide out there how i do? |
| 13:54.24 | mjt | but for zeroing, dd is faster -- when using direct i/o |
| 13:54.25 | JyZyXEL | mhmm. |
| 13:54.56 | mjt | JyZyXEL: note "zeroing" (what you really did) != "secure erase" (what shred can do) |
| 13:55.07 | maligor | robertxs, I recommend trying the pre-packaged drivers in non-free to start with |
| 13:55.15 | JyZyXEL | mjt: whats your point? |
| 13:55.17 | robertxs | maligor: okey |
| 13:55.19 | maligor | robertxs, unless you know what you're doing ;) |
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| 13:55.35 | robertxs | maligor: hehe i dont know what im doing =P |
| 13:55.43 | mjt | JyZyXEL: i'm just correcting your statement |
| 13:55.50 | robertxs | maligor: just want to use fglrx |
| 13:55.55 | robertxs | module |
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| 13:56.27 | maligor | robertxs, you should remember to build the kernel module too, installing module-assistant and running 'm-a a-i fglrx' will install it automagically |
| 13:56.46 | JyZyXEL | mjt lets just leave it at that and ill go buy some beer |
| 13:56.51 | robertxs | maligor: i did that before but the hole system crached |
| 13:57.01 | mjt | JyZyXEL: sure why not? |
| 13:57.29 | maligor | robertxs, if that happens you can always boot in single user mode and remove the packages |
| 13:57.44 | robertxs | maligor: and i cant stil understand this new xorg, isnt there any easy way to get it configured? |
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| 13:57.49 | robertxs | maligor: aha ok :) |
| 13:58.26 | maligor | robertxs, well, there's a bug in recent fglrx that causes a crash if you don't have the module loaded |
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| 13:59.27 | robertxs | maligor: okey, when i look in synaptic i found: xserver-xorg-video-radeon (ati radeon display driver) does it work just to install that one? |
| 13:59.50 | maligor | robertxs, what graphics card is it? |
| 13:59.53 | enouf | JyZyXEL: how's your jumpers and issue? |
| 14:00.10 | robertxs | maligor: i got ATI radeon 9100 GIP |
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| 14:00.47 | JyZyXEL | enouf: i need to go get some beer before i start opening the box |
| 14:01.01 | maligor | robertxs, fglrx won't work with that card anyway, hasn't for a long while |
| 14:01.28 | mjt | older fglrx will |
| 14:01.33 | adb | JyZyGyZyX: grub-install --help , look for --recheck |
| 14:01.34 | maligor | 9100 is a r200 |
| 14:01.40 | maligor | so really ancient fglrx will |
| 14:02.00 | mjt | maligor: any before Jan-2009 |
| 14:02.19 | robertxs | maligor: okey thanks alot then i know :) |
| 14:02.26 | maligor | that deadline was for r300-r500, r200 was dropped much earlier |
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| 14:02.42 | maligor | oh wait.. that's RS300 |
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| 14:03.02 | maligor | but it's still r200 gen :P |
| 14:03.08 | robertxs | :P |
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| 14:03.18 | maligor | you'll probably want libgl1-mesa-dri too for 3d |
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| 14:03.24 | lxsameer | how can i build Release.gpg file |
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| 14:03.38 | robertxs | maligor: okey |
| 14:03.40 | enouf | adb: indeed, for device.map issues, yep |
| 14:03.50 | maligor | robertxs, and it might need firmware, not sure |
| 14:04.47 | robertxs | maligor: i see now that libgl mesa dri is allready installed |
| 14:04.55 | robertxs | ^^ |
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| 14:06.32 | enouf | robertxs: also -glx |
| 14:07.27 | robertxs | enouf: that one is also installed :) |
| 14:08.12 | robertxs | this new debian 5.0 release i doesnt need to configure the xorg.conf at all? it seems evertyhing is okey with everything |
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| 14:11.09 | DTal | Hey folks. My X seems to be broken in a weird way. I don't know what I did to break it, but now any time I attempt to run a graphical app from the terminal, I get: |
| 14:11.19 | DTal | No protocol specified |
| 14:11.19 | DTal | Error: couldn't open display :0.0 |
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| 14:11.53 | DTal | Also, it would seem OpenGL is broken. |
| 14:11.57 | enouf | robertxs: good, just checking, i know one depends on the other (so both get pulled in if only one is chosen to install) .. but i forget which one - heh |
| 14:12.22 | enouf | DTal: Intel? |
| 14:12.31 | enouf | DTal: sid? |
| 14:12.50 | DTal | Pentium 4, lenny with some additional repos. |
| 14:12.58 | chrisb | DTal: nvidia? |
| 14:13.01 | DTal | Indeed. |
| 14:13.08 | DTal | Binary blob. |
| 14:13.12 | DTal | (Sorry) |
| 14:13.42 | enouf | well .. |
| 14:13.43 | adb | dpkg: tell maligor about radeon |
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| 14:14.55 | DTal | I don't think it's related to the driver though. I'm calling twm from gdm. |
| 14:15.45 | DTal | Something to do with environment variables maybe? |
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| 14:16.56 | chrisb | DTal: another user ok? |
| 14:17.27 | DTal | I hadn't thought to try that. Gimme a sec. |
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| 14:19.01 | lxsameer | how can i force apt to ignore the release.gpg checking |
| 14:20.04 | chrisb | lxsameer: apt.conf option? |
| 14:20.18 | DTal | Wow. I just created user 'test' and everything works perfectly. |
| 14:20.26 | lxsameer | chrisb, how |
| 14:21.16 | DTal | glxgears even gives a nice high fps. |
| 14:22.57 | enouf | lxsameer: just add the correct key; /msg dpkg new archive key |
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| 14:23.25 | chrisb | lxsameer: There is an example file |
| 14:25.42 | chrisb | lxsameer: zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz | grep gpg |
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| 14:26.44 | chrisb | lxsameer: although I am not sure if that is what will do it. |
| 14:26.46 | enouf | or zgrep ;-) |
| 14:26.58 | abrotman | lxsameer: if you read the man page for apt-get/aptitude .. i believe there's an option .. but why not fix the key? |
| 14:27.35 | chrisb | enouf: of course! |
| 14:27.48 | d1b | ah the key has chagned ? |
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| 14:29.27 | chrisb | lxsameer: Why do you need release.gpg checking ignored? |
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| 14:31.32 | mrtn123 | I installed a package about 6 hours ago, however, I don't remember the name of the package. Is it possible to view recently installed packages list or something similar? |
| 14:31.48 | jelly | mrtn123: /var/log/aptitude, /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 14:32.10 | mrtn123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.25 | lxsameer | chrisb, i build a local costumize repo but when i try o update apt with that i get this error W: GPG error: file: sun Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 14:32.25 | lxsameer | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 14:33.23 | justin | lxsameer: do you have gpgv installed? |
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| 14:33.37 | justin | that would be an easy thing to fix :) |
| 14:34.05 | enouf | lxsameer: /msg dpkg gpgv |
| 14:34.11 | enouf | and fix your time |
| 14:34.15 | lxsameer | justin, yes |
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| 14:35.12 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 14:35.12 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 14:35.18 | jelly | !dlog |
| 14:35.18 | dpkg | well, dpkg.log is /var/log/dpkg.log is the default log file of dpkg, it contains list of latest status changes and upgrades to packages; see also /var/log/aptitude or files under /var/log/apt/. |
| 14:35.33 | enouf | !factinfo dlog |
| 14:35.34 | dpkg | dlog -- created by jelly <n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr> 41s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by jelly, 15s ago. |
| 14:35.40 | enouf | !win jelly |
| 14:35.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 14:35.48 | jelly | !factinfo dpkg.log |
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| 14:35.48 | dpkg | dpkg.log -- created by hoxu <i=i@unaffiliated/hoxu> at Thu Apr 24 17:05:26 2008 (458 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by jelly, 30s ago. |
| 14:35.59 | jelly | enouf: mine's just a symlink |
| 14:36.02 | enouf | hey! ... oh .. heh, symlink? |
| 14:36.05 | enouf | heh |
| 14:36.11 | jelly | !literal dlog |
| 14:36.11 | dpkg | "dlog" is "<reply>see dpkg.log" |
| 14:36.26 | enouf | !lose jelly !win hoxu |
| 14:36.27 | dpkg | jelly !win hoxu: You Lose. |
| 14:36.31 | enouf | haha |
| 14:36.44 | jelly | !lose enouf's car keys |
| 14:36.44 | dpkg | enouf's car keys: You Lose. |
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| 14:38.22 | abrotman | flopje91: please ask a better question |
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| 14:39.58 | jelly | it's either a hard drive, or a car. Or a car that drives hard? |
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| 14:42.40 | Dominicus | If I wanted to compare recursively, the contents of two directories without reading 128 GB worth of data (which takes FOREVER), is there a command I can use to just compare that the files exist in both locations, and that they are the same file size? I say that, because I trust what is being copied, but when I do a "du -h FOLDER" to both locations, I get get a difference of 180KB from a... |
| 14:42.42 | Dominicus | ...total of about 64GB. I'm just trying to find out what is missing/extra. |
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| 14:44.27 | abrotman | flopje91: what is the chipset? |
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| 14:45.29 | enouf | Dominicus: how about md5summing both? |
| 14:45.56 | flopje91 | abrotman: RTL8187L |
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| 14:46.08 | enouf | oh, you want some sync/rsync option things |
| 14:46.25 | UBUNTUVISTA | hi does debian 5.0 work well on the asus eee pc 1000h |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | flopje91: using lenny's default kernel ? |
| 14:46.38 | UBUNTUVISTA | does it work on netbooks with wifi etc? |
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| 14:47.01 | flopje91 | abrotman: yes i do |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | flopje91: lsusb .. what is the USB ID ? |
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| 14:47.19 | enouf | Dominicus: i've noticed diffs much larger with much less data when doing a rsync -a, .. pretty sure it had to do with FSType differences |
| 14:47.25 | abrotman | UBUNTUVISTA: try it and see |
| 14:47.27 | UBUNTUVISTA | hi does debian 5.0 work well on the asus eee pc 1000h |
| 14:47.27 | UBUNTUVISTA | hi does debian 5.0 work well on the asus eee pc 1000h |
| 14:47.35 | abrotman | !tell UBUNTUVISTA about repeat |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | !tell UBUNTUVISTA about piav |
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| 14:47.57 | enouf | Dominicus: however, at that time, i didn't even think to checksumming then compare |
| 14:48.01 | UBUNTUVISTA | is debian better than ubuntu |
| 14:48.09 | abrotman | !tell UBUNTUVISTA about eeepc |
| 14:48.39 | jpinx-eeepc | UBUNTUVISTA: works for me |
| 14:48.47 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 14:48.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:48.51 | d1b | !vista |
| 14:48.51 | dpkg | i guess vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 14:49.00 | UBUNTUVISTA | jpinx-eeepc what version are you using |
| 14:49.07 | enouf | heh, and i thought JyZyXEL 's nick was annoying .. heh |
| 14:49.15 | jpinx-eeepc | latest lennt with backports |
| 14:49.21 | UBUNTUVISTA | like ASUS 1000H or 9000 or are you using ASUS 701 TRASH/GIMICK |
| 14:49.34 | d1b | UBUNTUVISTA: oi the 701 is not trash :) |
| 14:49.42 | maligor | isn't 701 the one with celeron |
| 14:49.44 | jpinx-eeepc | UBUNTUVISTA: nope - just reliable debian |
| 14:49.47 | enouf | don't you _both_ talk at the same time! .. or you're both getting tossed into my ... box |
| 14:49.49 | UBUNTUVISTA | yes it is, it's complete crap even the 701SD is |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | could we please not discuss the quality of the actual netbook ? |
| 14:50.14 | UBUNTUVISTA | it's cheap nasty crap can't even run windows right, thats why i have a 1000H 2GB RAM 170GB HDD |
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| 14:50.34 | jpinx-eeepc | UBUNTUVISTA: /join #debian-eeepc@irc.oftc.net |
| 14:50.53 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: you might want to add that to dpkg ^^ |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | flopje91: did you get it ? |
| 14:51.07 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: it's already in dpkg .. but he's ignoring it and trolling you |
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| 14:51.50 | abrotman | see |
| 14:51.55 | d1b | thank you bigpond scum, leave |
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| 14:52.05 | maligor | trolls, eh |
| 14:52.10 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: so it is - thanks |
| 14:52.13 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:53.22 | wizL | hm does anyone know how the "uptime record" package is named? it shows top uptimes.. |
| 14:53.34 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: your syntax doesn't work on xchat |
| 14:53.38 | justin | wizL: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:53.47 | wizL | i tried |
| 14:53.54 | justin | wizL: you tried WHAT? |
| 14:53.56 | jelly | tries irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-eeepc |
| 14:54.02 | d1b | wizL: uptimed |
| 14:54.04 | wizL | apt-cache search uptime |
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| 14:54.33 | justin | wizL: maybe you should have tried apt-cache search uptime record |
| 14:54.34 | wizL | its now uptimed.. its was something else |
| 14:54.46 | wizL | not* |
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| 14:54.58 | d1b | wizL: 'uptime' ? the command... |
| 14:55.27 | justin | wizL: so the package you are looking for, that tracks uptimes, is not called uptimed - Utility to track your highest uptimes |
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| 14:58.49 | enouf | Dominicus: hrmph .. just recalled md5'ing doesn't work on dirs/, but it does work on say a CD(an ISO, md5sum /dev/hda (where hda is an optical drive)), because an ISO is actually one continuous streamed file (in that sense) .. |
| 14:59.35 | enouf | Dominicus: so, if not using rsync, have you thought about tarring and gzipping? you could then md5sum those each |
| 15:00.07 | enouf | i understand you're trying NOT to have to read all 128GB of contents, but heh ... |
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| 15:00.34 | flopje91 | abrotman: Realtek semiconductor corp. RTL8187 Wireless adapter |
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| 15:00.54 | justin | doubleclick: by default rsync only looks at file size and modification times to tell if 2 files are the same |
| 15:00.57 | justin | er |
| 15:01.13 | justin | Dominicus: by default rsync only looks at file size and modification times to tell if 2 files are the same |
| 15:01.14 | d1b | justin: there is an option to get rsync to do checksums |
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| 15:01.39 | justin | d1b: uh huh |
| 15:01.43 | wizL | justin its probably 'ud' |
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| 15:02.07 | justin | Dominicus: if you just run rsync it'll do what you want |
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| 15:04.19 | enouf | just made another Backup of his /etc/ ;-) |
| 15:04.32 | enouf | unfortunately .. oh wait! |
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| 15:11.31 | Dominicus | enouf & justin: Thanks. Because I have 64 gigs worth of data in each directory. I think taring them would be inefficient space wise. I'm playing the shell game with disk space just trying to migrate from one filesystem to another at the moment, already. And enouf, you were right about how different file systems have different size differences. Particularly in the size reported of directories... |
| 15:11.32 | Dominicus | ...between using ntfs and ext3. And because I just want file existance, and size, and modification times. rsync should work out perfectly. But, with watching others in this channel, I saw kdiff3, it's gui, but I just turned down it's comparison settings to diff everything but the file contents, so it did the job. Thank you! |
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| 15:13.50 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:14.00 | johnfg | Just installed phpmyadmin in debian lenny. |
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| 15:15.08 | macpower | hi everybody |
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| 15:15.13 | flopje91 | hi |
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| 15:15.30 | johnfg | I use it all the time in fedora, but wondered, do I need to make the symlink for it in /var/www ? |
| 15:15.31 | macpower | Someboby have use zytronic touchscreen ? |
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| 15:15.47 | johnfg | Else, where do I access phpmyadmin? |
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| 15:16.21 | flopje91 | your internip/phpmyadmin |
| 15:16.34 | macpower | Else, you configure /etc/phppgadmin/config |
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| 15:17.02 | themill | johnfg: no, it should be configured in /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf for you already. If you're using the standard debian apache config files, all you need to do is restart apache |
| 15:17.29 | jelly | johnfg: there should be a /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian with some tipe |
| 15:17.29 | |honschu| | Hi, does somehone have the file "MacOS-theme_0.50.tar.gz" from 1998? It's not onlyline anymore maybe because of some license issues with apple. It was first announced here: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=91001068206214&w=2 |
| 15:17.36 | jelly | tips* |
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| 15:18.06 | macpower | you configure : /etc/phppgadmin/config.inc.php |
| 15:18.16 | themill | macpower: wrong package |
| 15:18.22 | Petaris | Hello |
| 15:18.27 | macpower | why ? |
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| 15:18.43 | macpower | It's work at home |
| 15:18.45 | themill | macpower: mysql != postgresql |
| 15:18.54 | macpower | yes |
| 15:18.54 | themill | johnfg: "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" if that file doesn't exist |
| 15:18.57 | enouf | heh, wow .. rsync -a to a vfat partition uses much more space (according to du output) |
| 15:18.58 | Polarina | I allowed my niece (almost three years old) hammer random keys on the keyboard and now the numpad (and all the buttons around it) doesn't work (replaced with weird behaviors such as the + was placed with random left or right mouse click or something...). What can I do? |
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| 15:19.07 | macpower | yes it's exist |
| 15:19.33 | enouf | $ du -s /mnt/p4/backup-checking-rsync-du-file-size-reporting/ |
| 15:19.33 | enouf | 26144 |
| 15:19.43 | enouf | that's vfat |
| 15:19.45 | justin | Polarina: control+shift+numlock? |
| 15:20.01 | macpower | SO, somebody have use zytronic touch screen ? |
| 15:20.04 | enouf | 17534 is the real backup on reiserfs |
| 15:20.14 | Polarina | justin: Didn't help it. |
| 15:20.30 | justin | Polarina: do the 2/4/6/8 keys move the cursor around? |
| 15:20.42 | johnfg | OK, thanks for the help, so good so far. |
| 15:20.47 | Polarina | justin: No. |
| 15:20.54 | enouf | 26M vs 18M |
| 15:20.57 | jelly | Polarina: just numlock? |
| 15:21.01 | Petaris | I had a debian VM on VMware ESXi 3.5 and moved it to ESXi 4.0 and now the system doesn't see the network card. I checked the vm settings and its there but I think maybe the IRQs need to be re-mapped. Is there a way to do that? |
| 15:21.06 | enouf | and the vfat one is missing some symlinks and shit |
| 15:21.07 | justin | Polarina: oh.. cause control+shift+numlock makes the numpad work like a mouse |
| 15:21.10 | Dominicus | enouf: after scanning both directories of 64gigs each for comparing them with kdiff3, for some oddball reason, I'm now reporting, 63GB each, of course that is the du -h (which gives rounding). But, I though it was odd, how some of the data totals shrunk, just because i mounted the ntfs volume with ntfs-3g, instead of when I used ntfs (debian stock). |
| 15:21.15 | Polarina | jelly: Doesn't move anything around, numlock or ot. |
| 15:21.20 | johnfg | However, which is the proper config.inc.php to configure? the one in /etc/phpmyadmin? |
| 15:21.23 | justin | Petaris: the irqs dont need to be remapped |
| 15:21.30 | enouf | Dominicus: please see my last few postings ... just a FWIW |
| 15:21.33 | jelly | Polarina: oh well, you can always restart X |
| 15:21.44 | Polarina | jelly: I restarted the whole computer. |
| 15:21.51 | enouf | Dominicus: i mean - i didn't address them to you, but made them within the last two minutes |
| 15:21.51 | flopje91 | abrotman: Realtek semiconductor corp. RTL8187 Wireless adapter |
| 15:21.51 | macpower | johnfg : your going to /etc/phppgadmion |
| 15:21.55 | macpower | johnfg : your going to /etc/phppgadmin |
| 15:21.56 | justin | Petaris: what does ifconfig -a say? |
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| 15:22.05 | themill | Polarina: does changing VT and back fix it? Or perhaps reminding X what keymap you actually want (setxkbmap etc) |
| 15:22.07 | Petaris | justin: Is there a way to make it scan for the network card as it did during install? |
| 15:22.08 | omid8bimo | worried about security hole in 2.6.30! |
| 15:22.33 | themill | macpower: johnfg is not asking about phppgadmin, he's asking about php*my*admin. Please stop confusing the issue. |
| 15:22.35 | Polarina | themill: Ctrl+Alt+F1 through F4 don't work anymore... |
| 15:22.41 | themill | Polarina: chvt? |
| 15:22.42 | jelly | omid8bimo: neither testing not unstable have security support. |
| 15:22.52 | Petaris | justin: it lists an eth1, lo, and sit0 |
| 15:22.56 | Polarina | themill: chvt??? |
| 15:22.57 | Petaris | hrm |
| 15:23.04 | Petaris | maybe it moved to eth1 |
| 15:23.07 | justin | Petaris: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:23.20 | omid8bimo | jelly: yeah, that's bad! |
| 15:23.31 | omid8bimo | enjoys being on unstable! |
| 15:23.36 | jelly | omid8bimo: no, that's a lot of work. |
| 15:23.36 | themill | Polarina: "chvt 1" to change to VT1, "chvt 7" to come back. You can do it over an ssh link too if you need |
| 15:23.48 | enouf | Dominicus: i made exact rsync -a copies of my /etc/ .. a) to a real backup on a mounted reiserfs , and then b) over to a vfat mounted partition - then i compared du -sh outputs -- 26M (vfat) vs 18M (reiserfs) |
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| 15:23.59 | Polarina | themill: polarina@debian:~$ chvt 1 |
| 15:23.59 | Polarina | themill: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 15:24.01 | Petaris | justin, thanks |
| 15:24.02 | Petaris | :) |
| 15:24.25 | themill | Polarina: requires root privs (but I would have expected a different error) |
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| 15:25.06 | Polarina | themill: I got to the vt, the numpad works there. But not in X. :( |
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| 15:25.41 | Polarina | Oh, cool. Another Ctrl+Shift+NumLock fixed it. |
| 15:25.56 | Polarina | Thanks everyone. :) |
| 15:25.56 | Spec | good ol' ctrl shift numlock. |
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| 15:26.09 | justin | Polarina: well control-shift-numlock is a toggle, so if you did it twice and the problem went away... :) |
| 15:26.48 | themill | johnfg: less /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian ; $EDITOR /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php |
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| 15:28.20 | johnfg | themill, Thanks, already doing it, but for some reason, the username and password that I gave to dpkg isn't working for phpmyadmin. |
| 15:28.44 | johnfg | I changed it in the config.inc.php file, but that's not working either. |
| 15:28.55 | enouf | Dominicus: heh, i'm just noticing your *prior* posting to myself and justin -- was busy before, had just missed it then ... |
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| 15:30.36 | themill | johnfg: which password for what that you gave to whom when? |
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| 15:30.53 | macpower | somebody have used UPDD system, with zytronic touch screen ? |
| 15:31.33 | johnfg | themill, I got it, but don't know why it worked this way. |
| 15:31.49 | d1b | johnfg: just view /etc/dbconfig i think it is |
| 15:32.34 | Dominicus | waves goodbye to enouf and everyone else! |
| 15:32.55 | johnfg | themill, When I installed phpmyadmin, it asked me for a username and password. Well, it didn't take that pair when I tried to connect to localhost/phpmyadmin, but I ran dpkg-reconfigure on mysql-server-5.0, reset that password, and everything's good. |
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| 15:33.43 | johnfg | d1b, I don't have dbconfig in my debian lenny installation. |
| 15:34.00 | themill | johnfg: ahh... the mysql-server username and password. I understand now. |
| 15:34.02 | johnfg | You sure that's not for postgresql like some of the earlier recommendations? |
| 15:34.20 | d1b | johnfg: yes i just realised :) i have been on that untu system a bit long now -> not mu pick :( |
| 15:34.24 | d1b | my* |
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| 15:35.22 | johnfg | Thanks for helping anyway! :-) |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | flopje91: that's not the USB ID |
| 15:36.13 | macpower | sorry johnfg, I think that you use postgresqk |
| 15:36.15 | macpower | sorry johnfg, I think that you use postgresql |
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| 15:36.51 | johnfg | macpower, np. |
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| 15:39.40 | enouf | it's odd how mount works (concerning redmond OS fstypes) ... uff ... if i have in my fstab this [1] ; and i do "chown -R username\: /mnt/p4" prior to even attempting to mount p4, it does indeed chown for me; but, then if i go; "mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /mnt/p4" i get the permission denied response |
| 15:39.45 | enouf | [1] /dev/hdc4 /mnt/p4 vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 |
| 15:39.51 | enouf | but |
| 15:40.23 | enouf | if i jsut do "mount /mnt/p4" it mounts and all files belong-to-USER! ;-) |
| 15:40.47 | abrotman | this is new to you? |
| 15:40.51 | enouf | otherwise, if i do; "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /mnt/p4" all files belong-to-ROOT |
| 15:41.02 | enouf | abrotman: yes ;-) |
| 15:41.11 | Ezep | Nice tip enouf :) |
| 15:41.22 | enouf | actually no - but .. i just so rarely mount a vfat - that i forget |
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| 15:41.50 | enouf | Ezep: that's how i mount my vfats ;-) and have the user own everything - so can rw .. etc |
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| 15:42.03 | enouf | i mean it's a vfat .. who cares if some data gets lost :-P |
| 15:42.15 | Ezep | Yes, mounting by root is horrible :/ |
| 15:42.16 | enouf | or some user does something malicious O_o |
| 15:42.25 | enouf | Ezep: well, it's setuid root |
| 15:42.33 | enouf | 4755 |
| 15:42.36 | enouf | IIRC |
| 15:43.23 | Ezep | Oh, nice nice |
| 15:43.45 | enouf | Ezep: want to hear a really odd story? i once zcat'd and cpio'd my initrd-img-VERSION into ~/bin ...then .. much later on, all of a sudden, mount was acting funny |
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| 15:44.06 | Ezep | Acting funny? o.o |
| 15:44.25 | enouf | Ezep: PATH=/usr/local:.... normally, and i had my .bashrc or _profile setup so ~/bin was in PATH ... |
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| 15:44.34 | enouf | guess what was going on? |
| 15:44.58 | enouf | the Busybox initramfs "/bin/mount" version was being found in PATH .. FIRST! |
| 15:45.04 | enouf | hahaha |
| 15:45.09 | Ezep | No really :| |
| 15:45.09 | Ezep | haha, yes! |
| 15:45.16 | enouf | that shit freaked me out, till i realized what was going on |
| 15:45.37 | Ezep | LOL, that's weird |
| 15:45.56 | enouf | Ezep: i'd do 'stat `which mount`' and notice it was NOT setuid root! |
| 15:46.15 | enouf | i thought i'd been haX03Z3d |
| 15:46.28 | flopje91 | abrotman: ID 0bda:8187 |
| 15:46.29 | enouf | noticed* |
| 15:46.32 | Ezep | OMG, the disk was with user privilegies :| |
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| 15:47.06 | Ezep | was mounted |
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| 15:48.46 | abrotman | flopje91: thanks |
| 15:49.15 | lxsameer | how can i solve this problem W: Failed to fetch file:/home/extra/repo/alav/dists/sun/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 15:49.37 | enouf | Ezep: that's how i eventually found out - 'stat /bin/mount' did indeed report 4755 as it should - then i started scratching head, going hrmm . wtf is going on here ;-) |
| 15:49.47 | abrotman | flopje91: do you have a wired NIC you can download stuff with ? |
| 15:50.03 | Ezep | enouf: what a headache! |
| 15:50.12 | flopje91 | no, but i have a usb drive:P |
| 15:50.23 | abrotman | flopje91: moment |
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| 15:51.08 | abrotman | flopje91: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 15:51.26 | flopje91 | i386 |
| 15:51.41 | abrotman | -686 right ? not the -486 ? |
| 15:51.42 | enouf | Ezep: it all started when i was trying to teach/help another mount their vfat as user, so user:group is owner of all under vfat -- then when i attempted to replicate what i knew to be true and had done many times prior ... and it failing, i started buggin |
| 15:51.59 | abrotman | flopje91: wget http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686_2.6.30-3~bpo50+1_i386.deb |
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| 15:52.12 | abrotman | seems like that one should work |
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| 15:53.00 | Ezep | enouf: It's great when things works weird, you have too much fun debugging :) |
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| 15:53.28 | Ezep | And trying, and headache, and coffee... |
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| 15:55.16 | Sajam | !spy |
| 15:55.16 | dpkg | We're watching you... |
| 15:55.32 | sepult | !slap |
| 15:55.35 | Ezep | o.o |
| 15:56.24 | SQlvpapir | does MTU only apply to upload or can I set what maximum MTU I want to accept? |
| 15:56.44 | enouf | :-( |
| 15:56.45 | enouf | $ /tmp/initrd-28/bin/mount /mnt/p4 |
| 15:56.45 | enouf | bash: /tmp/initrd-28/bin/mount: No such file or directory |
| 15:56.56 | enouf | wt4x fxiny!! |
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| 15:57.03 | ranix | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 15:57.05 | ranix | In computer networking, the maximum transmission unit (MTU) of a layer of a communications protocol is the size (in bytes) of the largest protocol data unit that it can pass onwards. |
| 15:57.17 | enouf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1636 2009-04-24 06:04 /tmp/initrd-28/bin/mount |
| 15:57.28 | ranix | SQlvpapir: by that definition, your question does not apply |
| 15:57.35 | ranix | please reconsider and try again |
| 15:57.36 | enouf | oh crap -- it's root owned? ...wait .. let me chown that sucker |
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| 15:57.56 | enouf | still - the : No such file or directory ??? |
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| 15:57.58 | jelly | omid8bimo: 2.6.30 packages on the kernel packagers repository for sid have 2.6.30.2 integrated |
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| 15:58.45 | enouf | nope - not doing any good to have it owned via username |
| 15:58.53 | enouf | same error : No such file or directory |
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| 15:59.04 | Ezep | enouf: it's strange... it's a file damn! |
| 15:59.18 | enouf | Ezep: now THIS is buggin me :-/ |
| 15:59.44 | Ezep | Maybe cause it's in /tmp? nah |
| 15:59.57 | jelly | !tell omid8bimo -about d-k |
| 16:00.02 | enouf | Ezep: its +x to all, and had been, and it's owned by username:group |
| 16:00.02 | Titan8990 | I am about to set up basic authentication on my apache website via reading the official apache documentation. Is there anything debian specific I may need to watch/account for? |
| 16:00.03 | SQlvpapir | ranix: yeah I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery |
| 16:00.10 | enouf | Ezep: i thought of that |
| 16:00.10 | SQlvpapir | clears up a bit |
| 16:00.17 | Titan8990 | I know apache is handled a bit differently in debian |
| 16:00.17 | enouf | Ezep: /tmp is 1777 |
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| 16:00.52 | jelly | omid8bimo: use the line "Latest from /dists/sid (targeted for sid)" |
| 16:00.52 | enouf | Ezep: but i doubt that would do it .. :-/ .. wait, i'm going to cp it over in ~/bin |
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| 16:01.04 | Ezep | enouf: yes... start debugging x) |
| 16:01.09 | d1b | Titan8990: its not that different ;) |
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| 16:01.36 | omid8bimo | jelly: good, i will do that |
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| 16:01.50 | Titan8990 | d1b, well, coming from gentoo the directory system for the config files is considerably different, although I do like it |
| 16:02.16 | jelly | omid8bimo: those being prerelease builds, there may be additional unforeseen problems. |
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| 16:02.40 | omid8bimo | jelly: of course, still i'm willing to go for it |
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| 16:03.04 | sophacles_work | hi all. i just put a new hdd in my debian box. It is a sata drive, as is my main hard drive. Now, when i boot, grub loads the kernel just fine from my main hard drive, but the new hard drive has become sda, and so tries to mount the filesytem from there as /, leading to much hilarity. further this is only temporary, as i am just doing some hdd diagnostics, and will be doing so with other drives in the future, so just changing fstab to use sdb1 |
| 16:03.04 | sophacles_work | s not so viable... |
| 16:03.08 | sophacles_work | any suggestions? |
| 16:03.22 | jelly | but at least it's supposed to have the local exploit fix: * Fix NULL pointer dereference in tun_chr_pool() (CVE-2009-1897) |
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| 16:04.23 | jelly | sophacles_work: a) use LABEL= or UUID= in fstab and grub or b) swap the sata cables ;-) |
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| 16:05.13 | boonyo | anyone here use an asus eeepc and installed an encrypted debian system on an external hdd via usb? |
| 16:05.24 | sophacles_work | jelly, suggestion b) didnt work :(, ill look into/try the label thing, thanks (any gotchas you know of with it?) |
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| 16:06.00 | jelly | sophacles_work: if you give your filesystems labels, you can use LABEL=foo instead of /dev/sda1 in fstab and root= parameter |
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| 16:06.36 | Ezep | enouf: tell me about that, it's interesting :) |
| 16:06.36 | jelly | sophacles_work: (man e2label; they can be changed online for ext2/3/4) |
| 16:06.38 | boonyo | that's what i've done. created an unencrypted /boot partition, then created an encrypted partition with lvm underneath it an the rest of the partitions in the lvm. i used xfs as my fs for all partitions. now when i boot, it just hangs |
| 16:06.49 | enouf | Ezep: nope, no go, i cp it over into a dir in ~ and even chmod 4755 it!! |
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| 16:07.02 | Ezep | :/ |
| 16:07.09 | enouf | Ezep: i can't exec the f'n thing! |
| 16:07.12 | jelly | sophacles_work: eg. my root filesystem has a label of "/"... |
| 16:07.18 | jelly | LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults,relatime,barrier=1 0 1 |
| 16:07.30 | jelly | LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults,relatime,barrier=1 0 2 |
| 16:07.31 | sophacles_work | jelly, thanks for the pointer to e2label! i was trying to figure out how to add one on the fly |
| 16:07.32 | freenose | I just installed sid, xorg and dwm, my apps have large fonts, any ideas to make them smaller? |
| 16:08.05 | jelly | sophacles_work: you can also label swap partitions; but you have to swapoff them, then mkswap -L ..., then enable them again |
| 16:08.08 | enouf | Ezep: i just su'd to root and tried .. no go! |
| 16:08.23 | boonyo | would mine just be a problem with grub? i got no idea.. |
| 16:08.25 | Ezep | No with root priv? omg... |
| 16:08.37 | enouf | Ezep: erm - same error ... |
| 16:08.51 | enouf | bash: ./mount: No such file or directory |
| 16:08.55 | abrotman | flopje91: work better ? |
| 16:08.58 | enouf | which obviously is a lie |
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| 16:09.42 | jelly | enouf: fs mounted noexec? |
| 16:09.56 | Ezep | enouf: maybe it's bash problem, try with sh ( I don't hope really) |
| 16:10.03 | enouf | jelly: no .. :-/ |
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| 16:10.24 | jelly | enouf: scripts cannot be setuid in Linux, is "mount" a script? |
| 16:10.30 | enouf | jelly: i'm toying with the mount that you get within your initrd-img-VERSION |
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| 16:11.13 | jelly | enouf: if it's a script, and you don't care about the suid, check that the interpreter exists |
| 16:11.28 | brah | I'm trying to compile stuff with CMake, but it keeps throwing MISSING LIBRARY:es |
| 16:11.32 | brah | Where should I place them? |
| 16:11.37 | enouf | jelly: But .. i recall IF i have setup in .bash_profile ; |
| 16:11.39 | enouf | # if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then |
| 16:11.40 | enouf | # PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" |
| 16:11.47 | jelly | #! /doesnt/exist/sh <- |
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| 16:12.02 | enouf | you know ... and a ~/bin/mount exists, then it'll execute |
| 16:12.08 | bpgoldsb | I'm trying to pull in a few packages from Squeeze to Lenny. I have all the dependencies, but they appear to be signed with a new key that Lenny doesn't know about. I've pulled in Debian-archive-keyring from Squeeze (which is actually the same version as in Lenny) to no avail. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:12.28 | d1b | !key |
| 16:12.29 | dpkg | hmm... key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 16:12.43 | d1b | odd |
| 16:12.49 | jelly | enouf: head -1 ./mount |
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| 16:13.14 | bpgoldsb | Yes, odd. |
| 16:13.31 | enouf | $ head -1 ./mount |
| 16:13.32 | enouf | ELF4t4 (444 ÔÔÔ**LLLLLQåtd/lib/klibc-rOj3PRLKBA9FcF5ZuoqKQLmOWcA.soL$äðÿqüUWVSQìÅÖ£`Ç\1ÿ¹ òèè ûýøÿthør |
| 16:13.36 | enouf | uff |
| 16:13.36 | bpgoldsb | apt-cache show debian-archive-keyring Version: 2009.01.31 |
| 16:13.37 | Ezep | LOL |
| 16:13.50 | jelly | enouf: oh, it's a binary! |
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| 16:13.56 | jelly | ldd? |
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| 16:14.11 | enouf | jelly: holy ... you're right ! ..FFFF |
| 16:14.22 | jelly | enouf: is it built with another libc, that you don't have support on the system? |
| 16:14.30 | enouf | jelly: isn't /bin/mount one too? ... /me checks |
| 16:14.40 | jelly | mentions "/lib/klibc" |
| 16:14.53 | enouf | yep -- it is |
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| 16:15.18 | enouf | yikes |
| 16:15.20 | enouf | $ ldd ./mount |
| 16:15.20 | enouf | ldd: exited with unknown exit code (126) |
| 16:15.24 | Ezep | I did't understand the "solution" |
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| 16:15.34 | Ezep | Or the issue :P |
| 16:15.45 | enouf | $ ldd /bin/mount works fine |
| 16:15.59 | jelly | enouf: You seem not to have the proper loader installed to run a klibc binary |
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| 16:16.34 | flopje91 | abrotman: i still can't scan |
| 16:16.36 | enouf | so, hrm .. jelly -- because .bash_profile is a login shell, it allows for setuid scripts? .. i'm lost trying to understand this |
| 16:16.45 | abrotman | flopje91: did you boot the new kernel ? |
| 16:17.10 | jelly | enouf: uh, what's this mount have to do with scripts? |
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| 16:17.25 | enouf | jelly: oh fudge ..you're right |
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| 16:18.08 | bpgoldsb | can anyone running Squeeze give me an apt-key list |
| 16:18.13 | enouf | jelly: why is "./mount /mnt/p4" spewing back this --> bash: ./mount: No such file or directory at me? |
| 16:18.26 | d1b | bpgoldsb: perhaps they have changed the release key? |
| 16:18.47 | enouf | -rwsr-xr-x <--it's now set to 4755, but it was originally 0755 |
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| 16:18.56 | bpgoldsb | d1b, Supposedly thats what debian-archive-keyring 2009.01.x was to solve |
| 16:18.57 | jelly | enouf: the mod is irrelevant |
| 16:19.00 | enouf | ls -l ./mount lists it |
| 16:19.00 | bpgoldsb | They did change it around then |
| 16:19.11 | enouf | jelly: i thought so too ... indeed |
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| 16:19.33 | jelly | enouf: executing ./mount yielded a ENOFILE. It didn't say _which_ file was missing. |
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| 16:19.53 | lxsameer | where can i find the list of apt options? |
| 16:19.54 | enouf | aha... strace@! to the rescue |
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| 16:20.18 | jelly | enouf: "No such file or directory" is just nicely written ENOFILE. |
| 16:20.39 | enouf | jelly: IIUC. it's a "busybox" mount binary - i think that has something to do with it? |
| 16:21.02 | jelly | !iiuc |
| 16:21.02 | dpkg | i heard iiuc is "If I understand correctly" |
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| 16:21.23 | enouf | jelly: as i first mentioned, it came from my initrd-img-VERS .. i "zcat ... | cpio -i" it |
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| 16:21.59 | jelly | enouf: your binary is written for a different libc. You don't have it installed properly, but have glibc instead. |
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| 16:22.44 | Ezep | jelly: binaries are not compatible between different libc? |
| 16:22.51 | enouf | but still -- if i zcat it into ~/bin AND enable those 3 .bash_profile lines (concerning ~/bin and PATH= ...) .. then i do "mount /something/somewhere" .. it'll atleast try to mount, IIRC ... son-of-a-,,, |
| 16:23.14 | enouf | (after i logout/login ofcourse) |
| 16:23.39 | enouf | lxsameer: you were shown earlier ? |
| 16:23.43 | jelly | enouf: just like you can run glibc binaries by calling its loader explicitely, "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/ls", you should be able to run your binary using a klibc loader: "/lib/klibc-*.so ./mount"... if it's installed |
| 16:23.47 | enouf | lxsameer: the /examples/ file |
| 16:24.07 | enouf | jelly: ok! ..let me have a go - thanks |
| 16:24.17 | enouf | jelly: i did not know that |
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| 16:24.36 | jelly | Ezep: klibc is explicitely not compatible with the most common one, glibc |
| 16:24.37 | enouf | jelly: and Ezep i'll strace as well - then eventually report back ... |
| 16:25.02 | aboyz | anyone know how to setup a cron to run on August 7 2009? I can't firgure it out.. please advise.. thanks.. |
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| 16:25.17 | jelly | aboyz: man 5 crontab has some examples. |
| 16:25.22 | aboyz | ok thanks |
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| 16:26.17 | abrotman | couldn't he just use 'at' instead ? |
| 16:26.18 | jelly | aboyz: if run at midnight, something like 0 0 7 8 * echo "you've got mail from cron" |
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| 16:26.30 | jelly | oh, only 2009. |
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| 16:26.56 | aboyz | jelly what does 0 0 78 *? |
| 16:27.01 | aboyz | it'll run every month ? |
| 16:27.24 | Mushroom_ | if I'm using a serial console (no fancing LOM, just set the option to use it at boot time), is there a way to reboot the machine if it's in a state? e.g. the sysrq stuff you can do on the keyboard |
| 16:27.35 | Ezep | enouf: yep yep :) |
| 16:27.38 | jelly | aboyz: I'll let you read the manual first. |
| 16:27.44 | Ezep | jelly: I see :) |
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| 16:28.59 | jelly | Mushroom_: assuming the serial driver still works, if you can send it Break, it acts as SysRq on console |
| 16:30.16 | aboyz | how do i setup a cron that run on every day 7 of the month?? |
| 16:30.17 | bpgoldsb | d1b, Okay, this is odd. I installed a squeeze chroot with debootstrap. Even it sees the packages as being untrusted. |
| 16:30.29 | d1b | bpgoldsb: mm. |
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| 16:30.53 | thrashold | That's probably the most funny warning I've ever seen: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: dependency on libc.so.6 could be avoided if XXX were not uselessly linked against it (they use none of its symbols). |
| 16:30.54 | bpgoldsb | aboyz, 0 0 7 * * |
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| 16:31.04 | bpgoldsb | (that will run at midnight) |
| 16:31.09 | aboyz | i see thans.. |
| 16:31.12 | flopje91 | abrotman: yes |
| 16:31.55 | adb | dpkg: tell bpgoldsb -about key |
| 16:32.01 | jelly | Mushroom_: how to send the serial break signal depends on your serial teminal app of choice; minicom has Alt-F or Ctrl-A F |
| 16:32.11 | enouf | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m58871e70 <--strace jelly Ezep |
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| 16:32.45 | bpgoldsb | adb, I already have the latest. |
| 16:33.23 | jelly | enouf: now read execve(2) |
| 16:33.30 | enouf | jelly: Ezep both; "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 ..." and "/lib/klibc-310Yh6SSUiz... ..." give Segmentation fault |
| 16:33.39 | adb | bpgoldsb: in debootstrap medium too ? |
| 16:33.41 | enouf | jelly: i'm on it .. thanks |
| 16:33.50 | freenose | How can I make my X fonts smaller? |
| 16:34.00 | bpgoldsb | Yes. |
| 16:34.37 | Ezep | It's weird, it say "No such file at the beggining |
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| 16:34.50 | lxsameer | how can i force apt to ignore hash sum checking? |
| 16:34.57 | bpgoldsb | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade returns no packages to update, also |
| 16:35.05 | jelly | enouf: > If the executable is a dynamically linked ELF executable, the interpreter named in the PT_INTERP segment is used to load the needed shared libraries. This interpreter is typically [...] |
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| 16:35.38 | keyhack | I've acquired a Dell PowerEdge R200, it supposedly has 2xgigabit embedded NICs, eth0 and eth1 show up in debian, however, it appears eth1 will not work unless I bring down eth0, eth0 and eth1 have separate MAC addresses, so I thought these are two different NICs, but it appears to be a two-port NIC, does that seem right? |
| 16:35.59 | keyhack | that being eth1 is just a redundant port and will only operate if eth0 fails? |
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| 16:36.27 | enouf | jelly: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m32cd4675 ?? |
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| 16:37.26 | enouf | jelly: i'm ignorant when it comes to comprehending stuff like execve(2) |
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| 16:37.38 | jelly | enouf: see how the syscall succeeded there. |
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| 16:38.16 | jelly | though I've no idea of the cause for segfault |
| 16:38.23 | enouf | jelly: ok, so execve is a syscall -- i got that - should i try ltrace? |
| 16:38.42 | jelly | enouf: dunno, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:39.32 | jelly | keyhack: you wouldn't be trying to give both an identical IP address, would you? |
| 16:39.56 | keyhack | jelly: nah, two different IPs, turns out this is a Ubuntu installation, not Debian, sorry for asking here, just realized |
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| 16:40.18 | keyhack | I'm thinking it is some network management app that is installed part of Gnome that is intereferring with my eth0/eth1 setup |
| 16:40.21 | enouf | jelly: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m167ce213 |
| 16:40.35 | jelly | enouf: will that paste answer the wayttd? |
| 16:40.37 | enouf | jelly: i'm trying to exec a special small 'mount' |
| 16:40.45 | jelly | enouf: why? |
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| 16:41.17 | Ezep | I think "fun" :) |
| 16:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | bloody gnome window manager |
| 16:41.36 | jelly | enouf: it will fail if its interpreter is absent. |
| 16:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it have a name other than gnome-window-manager or something? |
| 16:41.54 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: um.... metacity? |
| 16:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 16:42.04 | jelly | if they still use that, I don't know |
| 16:42.14 | enouf | jelly: to "replicate" what i could've swore .. that re-walk-through a funny incident that i did to myself some time back ,, inadvertantly |
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| 16:42.26 | Hans_Henrik | i saw it once on Defcon, a sole OS-host OS {almost like described here http://sourceforge.net/projects/edmr/}, but i cant remember any details, any1 know what it might have been? |
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| 16:42.35 | enouf | jelly: ok, so where's it's interpreter? |
| 16:43.01 | jhamlin | N/exit |
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| 16:43.10 | enouf | jelly: wait .. i think ... hold on |
| 16:43.12 | jelly | enouf: you'll find it in the ELF file's PT_INTERP segment, like execve(2) says :-D |
| 16:43.24 | jelly | enouf: use objdump or readelf |
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| 16:43.41 | enouf | i won't .. hang on a sec |
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| 16:47.26 | giaco | hello |
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| 16:48.25 | giaco | which is the "common" way to create init scripts? I don't know a lot of bash scripting, but I need a standard init command on a deamon binary |
| 16:48.47 | stew | giaco: have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point |
| 16:49.19 | asg | giaco: /etc/init.d/README is also helpful |
| 16:49.29 | giaco | stew, asg thank you |
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| 16:55.17 | enouf | jelly: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m693b73fe .. i think i'm starting to get somewhere, if not atleast comprehend a little more than i had .. i ran same but using "././lib/klibc-rOj3PRLKBA9FcF5ZuoqKQLmOWcA.so ..." as well (note that both are my initrd-img ./lib/filenames .. NOT the system's /lib/*) but both those give immediate-> ldd: exited with unknown exit code (126) |
| 16:55.47 | enouf | jelly: should be "./lib/klibc-rOj3PRLKBA9FcF5ZuoqKQLmOWcA.so ..." sorry |
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| 16:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | gdb? |
| 16:56.49 | enouf | jelly: oh shit, i thought you said "*don't* use objdump ..." |
| 16:57.07 | enouf | jelly: sorry again .. that's why i said "i won't ..." ... :-/ |
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| 16:57.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: there's actually nothing wrong, IINM .. i'm just ,messing with a different 'mount' binary - the initrd one |
| 16:58.09 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: he's trying to run a binary built against a libc not present on the system (and not compatible with libc6) |
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| 16:59.09 | enouf | jelly: oh wait .. that's NOT the initrd i'm using atm - i'm on .29 and that's from .28 .. and .. i might have upgraded my libc6 in betweeen? |
| 16:59.46 | enouf | jelly: when i say " that's NOT the initrd i'm using atm" .. i mean not the one i've booted into from days ago |
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| 17:01.01 | enouf | but ... i think i understand .. since ALL the other files and libs and such are NOT in my $PATH at the moment - it's (the libs and mount commands from the initrd) are _looking_ at the wrong libs/ and possibly even linker? etc |
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| 17:02.48 | enouf | or even just the incorrect libc6 ? .. hrm .. i'd actually have to zcat .. it (or cp all) from the initrd into my ~/bin or elsewhere and then login with having 'PATH=~/bin:$PATH' setup and so it'll look into ~/bin (and ~/lib, etc) to find all it needs? |
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| 17:03.24 | enouf | (instead of the system /lib and /bin and ld.so-linux and such) |
| 17:03.25 | jelly | sorry, you seem to be completely lost |
| 17:03.29 | jelly | tl;dr |
| 17:03.38 | enouf | ok - then i'll stop babbling :-( |
| 17:03.50 | ranix | enouf: ha! that would be a first |
| 17:04.05 | enouf | throws in the towel |
| 17:04.39 | enouf | dpkg: say "you suck. enouf" |
| 17:04.39 | dpkg | "you suck. enouf" |
| 17:05.33 | stew | you suck. enouf |
| 17:05.47 | Ezep | :( |
| 17:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you suck enough |
| 17:06.18 | torgrimt | darn you debian and your removal of firmwares ;( making alot of hazzle |
| 17:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
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| 17:07.48 | jelly | try understanding how the ELF loader and execve work. inside execve, kernel analyzes up the ELF header, finds the interpreter needed and runs that. If there's no interpreter present, *poof* the syscall fails with ENOFILE. If it exists, the control is passed to it and it does whatever it needs to load the libraries needed to run the dynamically linked binary. |
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| 17:08.35 | izua | hi. i've asked this yesterday, but i still haven't solved this. i want a bigger terminal on a machine that shouldn't have a kde, gnome, etc.. |
| 17:08.52 | d1b | izua: xterm? |
| 17:08.57 | jelly | enouf: if it was eg. a libc6 ELF, the first thing libc6 loader ("ld.so.2") would do is to check its own config files. |
| 17:08.58 | izua | someone advised me to do it with SVGATextMode, which was fine on 80x25, but my chipset fails on anything else above that |
| 17:09.14 | izua | (although kde works fine in 1024x768..) |
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| 17:09.37 | jelly | enouf: that's why most straces begin with reading /etc/ld.so.conf and friends |
| 17:09.59 | izua | uhm, yes, i've tried startx xterm but it startsx, then dies, then it shows me "bad command line option xterm" |
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| 17:10.22 | Ezep | Now I understand more about the linux kernel, good talk jefferai |
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| 17:10.25 | Ezep | jelly grr |
| 17:10.34 | izua | it shows a list of all parameters of xterm, where every one is optional |
| 17:10.36 | valdyn | izua: the solution to not being able to start X the way you need isnt abandoning X |
| 17:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | izua, we're not sure what you really want to do... |
| 17:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you want X at all? |
| 17:10.55 | izua | i want a bigger terminal |
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| 17:11.04 | ranix | I want a bigger office |
| 17:11.17 | valdyn | izua: echo "exec xterm" > ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 17:11.20 | izua | as in using the full resolution |
| 17:11.36 | izua | one moment |
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| 17:11.51 | jelly | izua: perhaps you'd like a nice mouseless fullscreening window manager. |
| 17:12.00 | Ezep | izua: bigger terminal? resize it with the mouse :) |
| 17:12.15 | jelly | Ezep: there's no window manager to resize the window |
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| 17:12.27 | valdyn | izua: just that you cannot resize it now |
| 17:12.29 | Ezep | I think he is talking about ""bigger" tty fonts |
| 17:12.34 | Ezep | aka vga=xxx |
| 17:12.36 | valdyn | Ezep: nah |
| 17:12.37 | izua | jelly: yeah. |
| 17:12.43 | valdyn | Ezep: thats inferior |
| 17:13.08 | valdyn | izua: i dont know which window managers you have installed |
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| 17:13.16 | Ezep | Oh, a tillin like wm |
| 17:13.20 | valdyn | izua: for something like you want i'd just run gnome-terminal in fullscreen mode |
| 17:13.21 | Ezep | tiling |
| 17:13.25 | izua | i don't have any. justx. |
| 17:13.29 | honschu | What is this program called that shows all files opened by that program - ... it's used "XXX skype" <- and then I'll get a list which files are opend/closed by skype. |
| 17:13.30 | jelly | izua: there are many, but I'll refer the choice to other people. I only know of ratpoison. |
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| 17:13.36 | Faithful | In the rc scripts K executes before S ? |
| 17:13.38 | jelly | defer* |
| 17:13.39 | izua | ratpoison is a mux |
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| 17:13.48 | izua | and i'm using screen anyway :P |
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| 17:14.15 | jelly | apt-cache search tiling window manager |
| 17:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | honschu, lsof? |
| 17:14.29 | Zharf | wmii! |
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| 17:14.43 | izua | echo "exec xterm" > ~/x.session; startx doesn't work |
| 17:14.49 | Ezep | izua: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager there you have a good list |
| 17:14.54 | jelly | izua: ".xsession" |
| 17:14.57 | honschu | CutMeOwnThroat: lsof displays all |
| 17:14.57 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:14.59 | izua | oh |
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| 17:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | honschu, use grep? |
| 17:15.12 | izua | yeah. right. brb |
| 17:15.53 | jelly | izua: you can start more commands in that script, if you put them in background & |
| 17:15.53 | honschu | CutMeOwnThroat: No, that doesn't work because of the Timing of lsof. You could miss some open/closes |
| 17:15.55 | izua | works. only that it's 80x25 on a very very tiny screen |
| 17:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | honschu, ls /proc/$PID/fd |
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| 17:16.16 | izua | so .xsession is what i should use to startstuff before starting x? |
| 17:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | honschu, are you talking about strace -e open? |
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| 17:17.19 | honschu | CutMeOwnThroat: strace, could be ... |
| 17:17.19 | jelly | izua: the last one should be exec-ed and it becomes the session manager; when it's killed or closed, the whole X session dies |
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| 17:17.40 | jelly | izua: yep. Welcome to 1993. |
| 17:17.42 | izua | jelly: um, yeah, but it uses default font on 80x25, and my X reso setting is 1024x768 |
| 17:18.01 | izua | hehe |
| 17:18.13 | jelly | izua: xterm -geometry 100x37 or whatever and -fn someotherfont |
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| 17:18.35 | M06w | how do I get it set up so I can remote to my linux machine from my windows machine with the normal windows remote desktop client instead of vnc |
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| 17:19.16 | Ezep | I don't think linux have a rdesktop server (using win protocol) |
| 17:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh -X? |
| 17:19.40 | abrotman | Ezep: xrdp |
| 17:19.43 | enouf | jelly: ahh .. i got it .. "Usage: ./bin/mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] [-t type] [-f] [-i] [-n] device directory" is what used to happen to me, when i was trying to mount, and inadvertantly, i had PATH=~/bin:$PATH set, and had previously actually zcat'd my initrd into ~/bin (so whenever i ran any "mount ... ..") command, that message would appear -- and another one., one second |
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| 17:20.04 | Ezep | abrotman: it's the server? let me see |
| 17:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse enouf |
| 17:20.06 | dpkg | No, who are their ferret tomorrow, enouf? Lederhosen of the Dictatorship of Belarus with extra cream. |
| 17:20.08 | M06w | I have xrdp installed , what's the next step? |
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| 17:20.08 | enouf | jelly: i'm using my 29 initrd binaries now |
| 17:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ezep, looks like |
| 17:20.15 | abrotman | judd: info xrdp --release lenny |
| 17:20.16 | judd | abrotman: xrdp (net): is optional; Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-9; Size: 201.5k; Installed: 612k -- Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server |
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| 17:20.22 | honschu | CutMeOwnThroat: strace -e open voila, lsof ;) |
| 17:20.32 | enouf | jelly: not the 28 ones like before |
| 17:20.41 | Ezep | Oh, GREAT |
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| 17:20.46 | enouf | hi CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:20.48 | Ezep | That's why I love this :) |
| 17:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hi :) |
| 17:21.07 | enouf | $ uname -r |
| 17:21.08 | enouf | 2.6.29-2-686 |
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| 17:21.26 | enouf | i had no idea it would matter so much |
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| 17:22.15 | jelly | enouf: don't have ~user/bin/ in root's path. |
| 17:22.26 | enouf | and now. i'm getting this error using sudo ,,, sigh ,,, but i'll fix it's wagon ,, you watch |
| 17:22.27 | izua | um, silly question - how can i list my fonts? |
| 17:22.29 | enouf | $ sudo ./bin/mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /mnt/p4 |
| 17:22.32 | enouf | mount: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.50 | enouf | jelly: i don't think i ever did |
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| 17:23.19 | kdorf | has anyone had any luck getting ia32-libs to install in unstable? was trying yesterday and apparently it depends on a package that it also conflicts. =( |
| 17:23.20 | enouf | ohfudge ! |
| 17:23.32 | abrotman | cabbage? |
| 17:23.35 | enouf | hda4 really doesn't exist :-/ |
| 17:23.53 | fxiny | izua: xlsfonts |
| 17:24.22 | jelly | enouf: "mount: No such file or directory" != "bash: ./mount: No such file or directory" |
| 17:24.36 | enouf | it's hdc4 -- and now; $ sudo ./bin/mount -t vfat /dev/hdc4 /mnt/p4 succeeds :-( |
| 17:24.50 | enouf | jelly: righto |
| 17:24.51 | Ezep | enouf: no more fun :( |
| 17:24.59 | izua | fxiny: unable to open display. |
| 17:25.03 | enouf | no no no ... df isn't showing it! |
| 17:25.27 | enouf | but cat /proc/mounts DOES! |
| 17:25.28 | enouf | /dev/hdc4 /mnt/p4 vfat rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 17:25.34 | fxiny | izua: as user |
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| 17:25.47 | izua | i don't have a window manager installed |
| 17:25.47 | ajavid | hi |
| 17:26.02 | izua | so as a user or root, it still doesn't work |
| 17:26.05 | Ezep | enouf: df don't use /proc/mounts for input? |
| 17:26.17 | Ezep | enouf: try 'mount' |
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| 17:26.42 | ajavid | I am looking for a functionality that I do not know how to implement |
| 17:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount uses /etc/mtab? |
| 17:27.03 | izua | jelly - one more thing. how can i position the window around before starting X? |
| 17:27.10 | ajavid | What can monitor files in a certain given directory, and see if a file was modified, and if so, take a specified action on that modified file |
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| 17:27.51 | Ezep | ajavid: bash scripting/perl/python + cron |
| 17:28.04 | jelly | izua: man X, see GEOMETRY SPECIFICATIONS |
| 17:28.04 | enouf | So .. why does "$ ./bin/mount /mnt/p4" spit out the "Usage ..." and yet; "$ mount /mnt/p4" succeeds :-/ |
| 17:28.05 | ajavid | I am trying to actually setup so that when my unit tests are saved, they are automatically run and result saved in a log |
| 17:28.08 | Ezep | No, you don't need cron |
| 17:28.34 | ajavid | and/or emailed |
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| 17:28.34 | fxiny | ajavid: iwatch ? |
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| 17:28.34 | ajavid | hm |
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| 17:28.41 | M06w | how do I make the file browser not open every folder in a new window? |
| 17:28.46 | enouf | and "sudo ./bin/mount ..." succeeds as well, but then all files belong-t0-ROOT |
| 17:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajavid, someting using fam? |
| 17:28.52 | izua | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 17:28.56 | ajavid | ok |
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| 17:29.30 | izua | hmm. i think i'm going with konsole after all. it allows me to do fullscreen mode from its menus anyway :) |
| 17:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, or something using inotify |
| 17:29.34 | ajavid | iwatch monitors sure, but without much hacking I actually want it to issue a command on the modified file (that is to run the unit test) |
| 17:29.35 | cahoot | M06w: in gconf-editor IIRC |
| 17:29.59 | enouf | Ezep: 'mount', like 'df' fails to show it as well - but that i expect, since it'susing /etc/mtab |
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| 17:30.28 | ajavid | I'm not sure how to piece it all together |
| 17:30.32 | iluminator101 | My pc does not go into idle, i am not sure why it does not i have it checked to go into idle after 5 minutes....?? |
| 17:30.33 | jelly | ajavid: you can write a log from iwatch, and poll the log with a tail-style app to execute something |
| 17:30.46 | enouf | feels a bit .. redeemed .. but only just a tad .. |
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| 17:30.49 | jelly | ajavid: or you can pipe iwatch output directly to your app |
| 17:30.49 | fxiny | ajavid: superglue ? |
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| 17:31.11 | jelly | has no idea what output iwatch provides |
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| 17:32.31 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 17:32.49 | ajavid | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=69 |
| 17:33.03 | ajavid | fuck it |
| 17:33.17 | ajavid | I'll just setup emacs so when I save my file it will issue a unit test case rerun |
| 17:33.29 | ajavid | fuck file system monitor stuff man its not what I'm looking for |
| 17:33.40 | ajavid | I don't even know what I'm looking for anymore |
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| 17:34.25 | ajavid | I have to think about this first... let me find some more solutions see what I can find |
| 17:34.28 | ajavid | thanks guys |
| 17:34.37 | Ezep | gl :) |
| 17:35.00 | iluminator101 | my pc does not go into idle....can someone tell why this is happening? |
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| 17:35.25 | fxiny | ajavid: dunno what you are doing , last call :incron ? |
| 17:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | only what you tell us what "goes into idle" means |
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| 17:36.33 | enouf | jelly: right .. so; my "/tmp/initrd-29/lib/klibc-310....so" matches what's in "/lib/klib-*" .. precisely |
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| 17:37.28 | iluminator101 | on preference --> screensaver --> activate screensaver when idle, idles is set to after 5 minutes in my case |
| 17:38.17 | enouf | jelly: which strings has shown me, and i noticed how the real /bin/mount is sooo much larger than the initrd's mount, and how initrd one uses /lib/klibc-*.so and the System one uses /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 17:38.42 | enouf | jelly: thanks for all the pointers and help along the way |
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| 17:39.37 | iluminator101 | problem i have is that it does not go into idle at all |
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| 17:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the screensaver doesn't lock the screen |
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| 17:40.17 | ajavid | fxiny, I'm trying to setup so that in my applications /tests/ directory, any file which is modified (by any editor), instantly calls the unittestcase and runs the test, and somehow notifies me of the results |
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| 17:40.37 | ajavid | whether the test passed or failed |
| 17:40.41 | jefferai | Ezep: Thanks! |
| 17:40.44 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
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| 17:41.52 | ajavid | fxiny, currently I'm just writing/saving my test cases and launching the test via a macro I've set |
| 17:41.57 | ajavid | but its still manual, I'd like to automate it |
| 17:42.07 | iluminator101 | cutmeownthroat: yes screensaver doesn't lock the screen |
| 17:42.48 | fxiny | ajavid: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/581 |
| 17:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this is ... gnome? |
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| 17:43.58 | Ezep | jefferai: What i've said? :| |
| 17:44.00 | ajavid | sweet |
| 17:44.19 | ajavid | fxiny, fucking life saver man |
| 17:44.28 | ajavid | !fxiny++ |
| 17:44.28 | iluminator101 | cutmeownthroat: this is gnome on debian squeeze |
| 17:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that would use /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver |
| 17:45.02 | ajavid | hah |
| 17:45.07 | ajavid | omg, this is like sooooo awesome |
| 17:45.18 | ajavid | fxiny, I could kiss you |
| 17:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | which looks like a gnomified xscreensaver to me... |
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| 17:45.37 | iluminator101 | so how can i fix this problem |
| 17:45.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought it was just a front end for xscreensaver now |
| 17:45.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it run? what does "ps aux |grep reen[s]aver" say? |
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| 17:45.47 | fxiny | ajavid: i'm busy . kiss enouf ;) |
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| 17:46.01 | abrotman | how about no kissing at all? |
| 17:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver is an ELF binary on the fresh lenny 64bit install I got here |
| 17:46.22 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: in squeeze/sid i mean |
| 17:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 17:46.29 | enouf | jelly: If you're interested; this will surely explain it all ... http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m149363f4 |
| 17:46.33 | Ezep | fxiny: he wants a kiss too :) |
| 17:46.33 | abrotman | it changed back i think |
| 17:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, simple... you find out what the problem really is, then you fix it :) |
| 17:47.08 | fxiny | Ezep: heh |
| 17:47.15 | ajavid | fxiny, so basically now I just need to write a bashscript that is called when file is IN_MODIFY, grab the output, and then do something with that output |
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| 17:47.43 | ajavid | fxiny, now, is there something in X that I can communicate with, to popup a messagebox telling me test results? |
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| 17:47.50 | iluminator101 | cutmeownthroat:http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d74e6cabe |
| 17:48.42 | fxiny | ajavid: yes |
| 17:48.42 | ajavid | or maybe a systray tool I can communicate with via the script |
| 17:48.42 | enouf | jelly: /dev/hdc4 /mnt/p4 vfat rw,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 2 <--(accompanying fstab entry - not that you don't know how, or anything) |
| 17:48.43 | fxiny | ajavid: xmessage |
| 17:48.43 | enouf | fxiny: !! where've you been .. wait, i'm going over to ya. |
| 17:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, indeed things change... I use a shared /home/$USER via sshfs on the new machine and I cant run X apps from there via ssh -X - it can't lock $HOME/.Xauthority - I've *never* encountered that problem before |
| 17:48.43 | ajavid | i see |
| 17:48.43 | ajavid | State: not a real package |
| 17:48.47 | enouf | hey ajavid - yo bro J |
| 17:48.48 | abrotman | iluminator101: did you install gnome-screensaver package ? |
| 17:48.54 | ajavid | enouf, hi |
| 17:48.58 | enouf | hello |
| 17:49.04 | abrotman | go somewhere else |
| 17:49.10 | fxiny | enouf: watering vegs :) |
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| 17:49.41 | iluminator101 | no it came with debian squeeze |
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| 17:49.53 | ajavid | dude |
| 17:49.53 | abrotman | iluminator101: install gnome-screensaver |
| 17:49.56 | ajavid | xmessage is awesome |
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| 17:50.03 | abrotman | judd: info gnome-screensaver --release squeeze |
| 17:50.04 | judd | abrotman: gnome-screensaver (gnome): is optional; Version: 2.26.1-1; Size: 1889.7k; Installed: 4612k -- GNOME screen saver and locker |
| 17:50.05 | ajavid | I can just send my entire test output there |
| 17:50.10 | ajavid | dude... omg |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | ajavid: lay off the enter key |
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| 17:50.37 | ajavid | fxiny, thanks a lot man, this was what I needed |
| 17:50.39 | iluminator101 | why abortman: does not gnome-screensaver come with debian squeeze |
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| 17:50.50 | abrotman | iluminator101: i'm asking you if it's installed .. it's a yes/no question |
| 17:51.10 | fxiny | ajavid: np |
| 17:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the pastebin shows it's running - so 'yes' |
| 17:52.09 | abrotman | AFAIK, that package controls when it locks .. though i manually click the locker |
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| 17:53.20 | ajavid | fxiny, how do you know so much? |
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| 17:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, run gnome-screensaver-command --activate |
| 17:54.19 | fxiny | ajavid: becasue i know my limits . i am an happy user , no frustrations , no hate , nothing like that |
| 17:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it start the screensaver? |
| 17:54.53 | ajavid | fxiny, I get irritated VERY easily. |
| 17:55.11 | fxiny | ajavid: and that site rocks anyway . i like the style |
| 17:55.17 | ajavid | fxiny, which site? |
| 17:55.29 | fxiny | debian-administration |
| 17:55.34 | ajavid | yes |
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| 17:55.41 | ajavid | it is similar in look to debian.org |
| 17:55.53 | ajavid | blue instead of red, but whatever |
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| 17:56.53 | ajavid | fxiny, h is a half vowel, I don't think it is appropriate to use it with 'happy' I think its used mostly with proper nouns? |
| 17:57.02 | iluminator101 | http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d786e1bb9 |
| 17:57.08 | ajavid | anyway, I'm off to go script a bit to automate testing, thanks again |
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| 17:58.13 | iluminator101 | cutmethroat: it does not start |
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| 17:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | D-BUS daemon? I thought KDE uses that one, not gnome |
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| 17:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell iluminator101 -about nicktab |
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| 17:59.32 | maligor | dbus is a system bus, even your toaster will soon use dbus :P |
| 17:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh |
| 17:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm glad I don't have a toaster, then |
| 17:59.56 | maligor | the hal for one uses dbus |
| 18:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, so what does "ps aux | grep dbus-daemon" say? |
| 18:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's your problem, btw., I would say |
| 18:00.22 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat: wonderful i am tab addict now |
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| 18:00.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 18:00.34 | iluminator101 | thanks |
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| 18:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | maligor, so how should he start it if it doesn't run? |
| 18:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | big question is why it's not started together with the windows manager |
| 18:01.51 | maligor | the system part is handled by sysv init scripts |
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| 18:02.00 | lelu | I have written up documentation on the intel d945GCLF packet drop issue that you guys helped with. so if anyone else has the problem they can find an answer and a compiled driver that works. |
| 18:02.28 | BoltPower21 | when use nfs to connect to a share, is there a way to know what version of nfs is being used? |
| 18:02.30 | maligor | desktops that use dbus for internal stuff would also start a user daemon |
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| 18:03.05 | M06w | how do I reset the root password? |
| 18:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see "/usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session openbox-session" |
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| 18:03.16 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d1abb0bdb |
| 18:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell M06w about ifrp |
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| 18:03.39 | macrobat | whats the recommended approach for fixing broken dependencies? |
| 18:03.40 | viric | Hello all |
| 18:03.45 | BoltPower21 | M06w: log on as root and type passwd |
| 18:03.50 | viric | Oh Debian Developers! |
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| 18:04.18 | viric | How could I install the glibc source + precompiled binaries with debug info? |
| 18:04.18 | enouf | fxiny: nice article about inotify / incrontab - thanks |
| 18:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, "anything that works"? :) |
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| 18:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, how about "aptitude -f install" |
| 18:05.06 | M06w | ok, so if I'm going to be reinstalling debian now, how to I make sure it makes the root password what I tell it |
| 18:05.10 | fxiny | enouf: ;) |
| 18:05.15 | enouf | where lelu? |
| 18:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, nobody said anything about reinstalling |
| 18:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read the message dpkg sent you? |
| 18:05.56 | M06w | well your solution is beyond my ability to give a shit |
| 18:06.18 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d1abb0bdb |
| 18:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you can't reboot and follow a 4-step instruction? |
| 18:06.23 | enouf | iluminator101: CutMeOwnThroat i've recently dealt with some minor dbus issues. what's up? |
| 18:06.28 | M06w | nope |
| 18:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you're beyond my ability to help, then |
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| 18:07.41 | iluminator101 | enouf: i get a dbus error when i try to start gnome screensaver |
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| 18:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, iluminator101s screensaver doesn't start - gnome-screensaver-command -activate complains it can't contact the screensaver via dbus, i.e. that it's not running |
| 18:08.00 | enouf | maligor: aye - you seem to know about it |
| 18:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, you're logged in as root?! |
| 18:08.14 | maligor | only in programmer terms |
| 18:08.19 | enouf | iluminator101: is udevd running? pgrep udevd |
| 18:08.42 | maligor | I've never had to muck around starting it manually |
| 18:08.43 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat: not as user |
| 18:08.47 | M06w | so where is this grub command line? |
| 18:08.48 | enouf | iluminator101: also pastebin output of 'strace command' |
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| 18:09.06 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 18:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, I mean you're running the graphical interface as root? ... don't ... run that as a regular user |
| 18:09.16 | M06w | all I've got is terminal and root terminal |
| 18:09.25 | maligor | '/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 6 --print-address 9 --session' is what I have running (started by gnome) for user |
| 18:09.29 | macrobat_ | M06w: type "grub" in a terminal and you get the grub prompt |
| 18:09.39 | enouf | iluminator101: apt-get install pstree ; post "pstree.x11" and "pstree -lunap" output |
| 18:09.45 | mcgreg | does anyone know if the maintainer of the amarok-packages is somewhere online here or on other irc-network? |
| 18:09.53 | enouf | erm pstree.x11 -lunap iluminator101 |
| 18:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, you get to the grub commandline when you reboot and press 'e' |
| 18:10.01 | M06w | bash: grub: command not found |
| 18:10.07 | iluminator101 | hmm...slow down here.....i am sure whats going on now |
| 18:10.11 | enouf | no wait |
| 18:10.14 | iluminator101 | not* |
| 18:10.24 | enouf | iluminator101: no -lunap with the .x11 |
| 18:10.33 | iluminator101 | i startx as user |
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| 18:11.19 | izua | can i attach to an existing screen session without detaching? so i can control it at the keyboard and remotely via ssh? |
| 18:11.20 | enouf | maligor: right., i have 3 total, one System started and 2 userland ones |
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| 18:11.26 | macrobat_ | grub as root, M06w |
| 18:11.33 | enouf | and ... well CUPS will not work without them! |
| 18:11.43 | maligor | dbus is really quite cool and handy |
| 18:11.45 | izua | and ideally, what happens in one point will be seen at the other point |
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| 18:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat_, that's not what we want here |
| 18:12.34 | viric | Any debian developer around? |
| 18:12.49 | macrobat_ | aha, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 18:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, you reboot, press 'e' when the grub choice of kernels comes up, add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of the line, ... and so on |
| 18:13.52 | enouf | maligor: actually 5 total (2 daemons, (1 a system started one) + 2 ssh-agent ones + 1 dbus-launch script) |
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| 18:14.36 | maligor | dbus-launch isn't a daemon afaik |
| 18:14.44 | BoltPower21 | How can i make sure my nfs server support version 3? |
| 18:14.52 | enouf | who said it was? |
| 18:15.26 | enouf | yikes .. a binary too |
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| 18:16.18 | jelly | BoltPower21: rpcinfo -p your_nfs_server ... do you see a vers 3 nfs line or two? |
| 18:16.32 | enouf | $ apropos nfs BoltPower21 |
| 18:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, it seems to be running, but they're all root-owned - the --fork --print-pid X ones should be owned by the user running the X session |
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| 18:17.05 | M06w | where is step 2 done from |
| 18:17.17 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: where's the post, URL? i missed it |
| 18:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d1abb0bdb |
| 18:17.36 | jelly | BoltPower21: if you do, means your server claims it supports it. Linux 2.6 kernel nfs server should support it. Probably 2.4 too, maybe even 2.2. |
| 18:17.54 | enouf | is thinking about obtaining a script for irssi to highlight URLs |
| 18:18.01 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 18:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, from the shell you get after you booted with that option |
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| 18:20.18 | M06w | grub isn't keeping my edit |
| 18:20.27 | enouf | iluminator101: you're missing a dbus-launch line for your user, at the least |
| 18:20.41 | DTal | enouf: I just run it inside gnome-terminal, which does it automatically. |
| 18:20.59 | enouf | via 'init' iluminator101 |
| 18:21.08 | enouf | as maligor noted earlier |
| 18:21.16 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.20 | enouf | +r |
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| 18:21.39 | cyc | hi! Can someone please tell me, how to restart dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:21.43 | enouf | DTal: init isn't you as user |
| 18:21.53 | maligor | gnome should autostart the dbus session daemon tho |
| 18:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, you might look through these: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-screensaver - 536828 looks kind of like yours but is not so useful ... most of them don't seem to be great reports or answers |
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| 18:22.29 | enouf | DTal: aye though ... that one, and one daemon ARE indeed username owned |
| 18:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | 536653 is also similar |
| 18:23.04 | enouf | iluminator101: a full pstree -lunap might help -- easier to see what's going on |
| 18:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, try the gnome-screensaver from unstable... |
| 18:23.47 | enouf | iluminator101: which Debian Release all Lenny? or ... |
| 18:24.09 | enouf | maligor: aye |
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| 18:25.21 | cyc | shit ... I have a debian sarge and I decided to finally dist-upgrade to lenny directly. It turned out as a mistake, so I changed sources.list and tried to dist-upgrade to etch dirst. During procedure, I've lost access to server for some reason, the access came back - I could log in back, but I had to kill dist-upgrade procedure ... because of the lock file |
| 18:25.37 | cyc | how can I unfuck this ...? |
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| 18:26.17 | cyc | is there a way to restart the process (running it again doesn't do the trick, that's why I'm asking ...) |
| 18:26.21 | enouf | $ grep dbus /var/log/boot <-- i suppose is the initial system daemon firing up |
| 18:26.36 | Ezep | cyc: you have up-upgraded and downgraded, you are fcked up :) |
| 18:26.48 | cyc | fun ... |
| 18:26.52 | enouf | $ rgrep dbus /etc/init.d/ shows me other things |
| 18:27.13 | M06w | cutmeownthroat, step 1 achieves nothing |
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| 18:27.27 | cyc | Ezep well ... I didn't have a choice, because upgrade to lenny failed :/ |
| 18:27.43 | enouf | cyc: you weresuppose to go to Etch first |
| 18:27.50 | enouf | supposed* |
| 18:27.50 | Ezep | cyc: you have to upgrade to etch |
| 18:27.54 | Ezep | had* |
| 18:27.57 | enouf | shit - sorry |
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| 18:28.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell cyc about sarge->etch |
| 18:28.22 | cyc | yes, I see that now ... some more experienced sysadmin told me it should go directly to lenny to and I was stupid enough to believe it ... |
| 18:28.25 | Ezep | cyc: sarge <-> etch <-> lenny <-> |
| 18:28.27 | Ezep | ALWAYS |
| 18:28.33 | cyc | yes, yes, I know ... |
| 18:28.48 | jpinx-eeepc | cyc - better to save your data and reinstall |
| 18:29.14 | abrotman | why is there two points ? |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | two arrows ? |
| 18:29.33 | enouf | to draw a straight line? |
| 18:29.38 | cyc | oh well ... ok :( |
| 18:29.40 | maligor | and then proceed to skin the more experienced sysadmin |
| 18:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, can you be more precise? |
| 18:29.55 | enouf | it's a OneWay Street ;-) |
| 18:30.05 | jpinx-eeepc | no parking? |
| 18:30.16 | enouf | toll only road :-P |
| 18:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think your "more experienced sysadmin" should take care of the problem... |
| 18:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | think of all the additional experiences he can gain while doing it... |
| 18:30.35 | jpinx-eeepc | troll road :p |
| 18:30.46 | M06w | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet int=/bin/sh does nothing differently |
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| 18:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | init! |
| 18:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not int |
| 18:31.09 | enouf | M06w: init= |
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| 18:31.14 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I wouldn't trust someone who gave that advice to not screw it up and lose all the data |
| 18:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 18:31.16 | M06w | typo, the grub doesn't have it |
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| 18:31.26 | cyc | Ezep but the system is somewhat running ... ssh and all ... isn't there a way to force some packages? Apache works, mysql doesn't, for example |
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| 18:31.52 | M06w | I'd give you a screenshot but my camera is away on business |
| 18:32.08 | enouf | cyc: /msg dpkg sarge->etch (if it still exists) , then do /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:32.11 | abrotman | did it fly first class? |
| 18:32.13 | Ezep | cyc: well, try restoring (or destroying) apt with apt-get -f install :/ |
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| 18:33.37 | cyc | damn I'm mad at myself for believing this should work to ... sarge -> lenny, I mean. Bah. |
| 18:34.07 | Ezep | shit happens |
| 18:34.11 | enouf | it's hard enough to pull off IRL, ... let alone us trying to walk you through it :-P |
| 18:34.12 | mcgreg | cyc: just a tip (from own experiences) .. *never* uninstall libc6 :) if somethink makes problems because of dependency, in "emergency" use dpkg --force-dependency (or similiar) |
| 18:34.16 | BoltPower21 | jelly: how can i tell what version nfs my client is using? |
| 18:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, except for that, this line looks ok to me... I'd also have removed the 'quiet', but that shouldn't make any difference |
| 18:34.42 | cyc | ok :) |
| 18:34.45 | enouf | (i mean, IF it doesn't go smoothly - which you had a much better chance of, IF you didn't try going straight to Lenny) |
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| 18:36.15 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: well, they should remove quiet especially if they plan on taking a digital photo from monitor output :-P |
| 18:36.22 | cyc | Ezep it funny ... if I had problems with libc6 and such "low" libraries, I wouldn't have any hope but to reinstall |
| 18:36.48 | Ezep | cyc: it's NOT funny :P |
| 18:36.48 | cyc | Ezep here however, I have (as it seems, for now, of course) I only have problems with mysql ... |
| 18:37.07 | cyc | yeah ... maybe it is, for an observer ;) |
| 18:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc, really, i think jpinx-eeepc has a point... reinstalling is probably less hassle you can use "dpkg --get-selections \* > packagelist" on your current setup and "dpkg --set-selections < packagelist;apt-get dselect-upgrade" on your new setup if you want to have a similar set of packages installed as previously |
| 18:37.35 | enouf | cyc: 1st, perhaps get a nice list of all pkgs ... grep-dctrl, dctrl-tools, dpkg --get-selections, maybe aptitude? |
| 18:37.35 | M06w | for some reason one kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet init=/bin/sh is different than another kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet init=/bin/sh |
| 18:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc, which of course will just mess up your new system if whatever you have now is already too fucked up :) |
| 18:37.45 | cyc | CutMeOwnThroat there's another problem, you know ... |
| 18:38.03 | enouf | cyc: although .. not sure those i first listed existed with sarge, or even etch |
| 18:38.04 | cyc | I was in a hurry enough to forget save the -get-selections ... |
| 18:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, shouldn't preven init=/bin/sh from working, thoug |
| 18:38.23 | BoltPower21 | Just to clear my head, net search is not showing me much, is nfs version support built into the kernel? And there is not a config file for the nfsd service? Say I want to only run nfs version 3 over tcp. Can i configure that without rebuilding the kernel? |
| 18:38.30 | cyc | so I unless I find a backup of that file, I think I'll have many hours of swearing ;) |
| 18:38.31 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: ofcourse not, obviously something else is wrong |
| 18:38.47 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know his dealio / situation at all |
| 18:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | PEBKAC, possibly |
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| 18:38.56 | enouf | likely |
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| 18:39.13 | M06w | ok, so now how do I change the privliges on a folder that only root has control of |
| 18:39.23 | nkuttler | M06w: be root |
| 18:39.25 | enouf | BoltPower21: grep <something> /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 18:39.39 | M06w | and I do that how |
| 18:39.43 | enouf | M06w: is it mounted rw? |
| 18:39.59 | nkuttler | M06w: usually you type "su" and the root pw |
| 18:40.29 | jelly | BoltPower21: it'll use whatever you tell mount to. |
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| 18:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc, I mean you can *now* save your packages in a selection and use that to install additional packages after a reinstall... |
| 18:40.52 | jelly | BoltPower21: yeah, that's all in the kernel, both client and server. |
| 18:40.53 | enouf | BoltPower21: grep NFS /boot/config-`uname -r` and show us uname -r output |
| 18:40.59 | enouf | CONFIG_NFS_V3=y for one shows here |
| 18:41.01 | M06w | so then how do I change folder privliges from the terminal? |
| 18:41.07 | cyc | CutMeOwnThroat yes, yes - I've just checked the output of --get-selections ... it'll be a start |
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| 18:41.13 | cyc | a good one, maybe |
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| 18:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc, you might only keep the "somepackage *install" lines, though to prevent uninstalling important stuff because of the mess you created |
| 18:41.49 | coldtobi | !chown |
| 18:41.49 | dpkg | i guess chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt |
| 18:41.55 | nkuttler | M06w: chmod/chgrp, /msg dpkg permissions |
| 18:41.55 | BoltPower21 | enouf: ya when i do i see it there. So if i want to stop version 4 support, i have to recomple the kernel? |
| 18:42.07 | jelly | BoltPower21: if you have a Linux client and mounted filesystems right now, take a look at /proc/mounts to see actual options used |
| 18:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | M06w, I thought you wanted to reset the root password? |
| 18:42.21 | cyc | CutMeOwnThroat yes, yes, I see some "deinstall" lines ... I can change them to install ... if needed |
| 18:42.26 | cyc | thanks guys :) |
| 18:42.32 | BoltPower21 | jelly: i see if i use nfs that is 3? how can i use 2 or 4 then? |
| 18:42.45 | jelly | BoltPower21: why would you? |
| 18:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc, no, you could just remove those... so that in effect you just install additional stuff, but skip all the deinstall/purge steps (as you'll only have the basic/needed packages after a fresh install anyway( |
| 18:43.30 | enouf | BoltPower21: i have CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y here, which means it would require atleast a kernel boot parameter (if one exists) to block all usage of it. However, if you have control, then just don't mount with v4 as jelly mentions |
| 18:43.44 | BoltPower21 | jelly: :) don't know I just want to know what version of protocol is use and how. |
| 18:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc, like grep ' install' packagelist > newpackagelist (not the TAB character before install) |
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| 18:44.29 | BoltPower21 | enouf: jelly: thanks guys, i am seeing. |
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| 18:44.56 | syslq78 | Guys should I use ddrescue or dd_rescue? |
| 18:45.12 | syslq78 | I have a failing drive with io errors and I want to dump it's image over ssh |
| 18:46.07 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: s/not/note ? |
| 18:46.07 | coldtobi | dd_rescue |
| 18:46.15 | jelly | enouf: I don't know much about nfsv4 except it's incomplete in Linux, needs additional configuration and isn't used by default |
| 18:46.24 | BoltPower21 | enouf: quick question. kernel boot parameter is done by the boot loader? if on does not exist then recompiling is the only other way. |
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| 18:46.41 | BoltPower21 | I have dynamic client that are going to be connectioning. |
| 18:46.42 | coldtobi | dd_rescue worked for me last week. |
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| 18:47.03 | cyc | ok :) |
| 18:47.06 | BoltPower21 | jelly: really. |
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| 18:47.12 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort -n | less ? |
| 18:47.15 | jelly | BoltPower21: are you configuring a Debian nfs server, Debian nfs clients or both? |
| 18:47.39 | BoltPower21 | jelly: a lot of documention i read on NFS, dont not say that. |
| 18:47.55 | enouf | or maybe even $ grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Version -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort > somefile ? |
| 18:48.02 | enouf | if those tools are available |
| 18:48.02 | coldtobi | what do you recommend a a console base irc client? |
| 18:48.07 | cyc | I have a bit of luck in this stupidity I've made ... it's not a very important server, it's not "nice" ...heck, not even good, but what the heck - reinstall will be tomorrow, I cannot get to the server phisically before tomorrow anyway |
| 18:48.10 | BoltPower21 | debian clients mostly and the first nfs server is centos for now,. |
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| 18:48.30 | cyc | at least it's not a data loss |
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| 18:49.02 | abrotman | coldtobi: irssi |
| 18:49.06 | enouf | cyc: see my last two posts , however, they might do exactly what you need/want .. you know the 1st can also be easily redirected to file |
| 18:49.12 | boonyo | is it just me... or in a default install, there are world-readable perms for everyones home directory, including roots? |
| 18:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | cyc/enouf, indeed, s/not/note/ |
| 18:50.03 | xand | when I delete a large amount of files (by size), say 100GB in one go, they appear to delete really quickly but disk space available doesn't increase. however, minutes or hours later, the space comes available but at the same time, the system throws a wobbly and I get this happen when io intensive activity happens: http://pastebin.com/d185022f3 ... ideas? it's ext3 on a raid 5 software raid partition |
| 18:50.08 | enouf | cyc: especially the dpkg-query one, cause it'll only show those_specific_priority_of_pacakges .. many others are of _other_priority |
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| 18:50.20 | jelly | BoltPower21: so for clients, man nfs to force the version and protocol. |
| 18:50.23 | boonyo | wow... is all I can say |
| 18:50.53 | enouf | cyc: i suppose you can just add to the egrep and include ALL (7 ?) priorty types |
| 18:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, space is only freed when the last program which accesses them exits |
| 18:51.11 | BoltPower21 | jelly: thanks. |
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| 18:51.23 | abrotman | boonyo: you can alter that if you prefer |
| 18:51.23 | xand | CutMeOwnThroat: I know, but no programs are accessing them, unless nfs kernel server counts |
| 18:51.47 | jelly | xand: ext3 doesn't return from unlink()ing the last link until all the space is reclaimed. My guess is you're deleting the files that are still open by some other process. |
| 18:51.50 | boonyo | abrotman, yeah I know.. I just can't believe its world readable by default.. |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | boonyo: file a bug ? |
| 18:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, your paste looks weird... fsck the filesystem? |
| 18:52.11 | boonyo | has it always been this way? |
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| 18:52.14 | enouf | xand: lsof should tell you |
| 18:52.16 | cyc | enouf you mean if I try to unfuck the situation without reinstalling? |
| 18:52.19 | xand | enouf: it shows nothing. |
| 18:52.24 | abrotman | boonyo: it used to be an installation question .. not anymore |
| 18:52.33 | boonyo | abrotman, you mean a bug report? |
| 18:52.35 | enouf | cyc: yeah - just trying to get you a list of all installed shit |
| 18:52.36 | xand | enouf: the disk is NFS shared, that's all I can think of (I delete them locally though) |
| 18:52.36 | cyc | I've already reserved tomorrow afternoon for this nice business ... |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | boonyo: yes? |
| 18:52.47 | coldtobi | xand: cause your pastebin: I saw something similar with nfs-kernel-server on my Thecus... What architecure is running your nfs? |
| 18:52.55 | xand | amd64 |
| 18:53.03 | enouf | xand: open file handles - some might be stale |
| 18:53.05 | jelly | xand: you seem to have memory issues on that machine; not enough of it |
| 18:53.10 | enouf | NFS is prone, no? |
| 18:53.16 | boonyo | abrotman, I might just do that |
| 18:53.32 | xand | yes I should upgrade the RAM - it only has 1GB |
| 18:53.49 | coldtobi | I saw the same kind of errors on my Thecus N2100. Memory is 512M, but NFS was at the time of the "crash" the only active service.... |
| 18:53.53 | enouf | oh that pastbin does not look good at all |
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| 18:54.03 | cyc | enouf I'm not sure I understand what you mean - if I do dpkg --get-selections, I get the whole list already? |
| 18:54.07 | xand | there's loads more of similar to what's in the pastebin |
| 18:54.09 | coldtobi | Thecus N2100 == armel |
| 18:54.17 | xand | going on for three hours until I rebooted it |
| 18:55.01 | jelly | xand: have you tried stopping the nfs server at that time? |
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| 18:55.18 | xand | no |
| 18:55.20 | jelly | xand: was the system (well, your interactive shell) responsive? |
| 18:55.20 | enouf | cyc: i suppose - might want to ALSO backup /etc/ (though that will change as you upgrade ..) |
| 18:55.31 | xand | well network certainly was |
| 18:55.37 | coldtobi | jelly / xand: kernel problem? |
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| 18:55.47 | jelly | coldtobi: huh? |
| 18:55.48 | xand | the time it happened before today, I could login but it coudln't load bash |
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| 18:56.12 | coldtobi | I experienced the same... Let me see if I still have the logs# |
| 18:56.15 | xand | well, login timed out after 60 seconds IIRC |
| 18:56.23 | jelly | xand: next time it happens, try stopping the nfs server. |
| 18:56.30 | coldtobi | xand: I was wondering what kernel you are suing |
| 18:56.34 | coldtobi | using |
| 18:56.35 | xand | jelly: I'll try but doubt I'll be able to |
| 18:56.37 | xand | coldtobi: erm |
| 18:56.41 | xand | Linux kronos 2.6.25.6 #6 SMP Fri Apr 3 23:01:05 BST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:56.54 | jelly | xand: which debian release is this? |
| 18:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, do you have shared /home via nfs? |
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| 18:57.13 | enouf | thought he noticed a .25 in that paste |
| 18:57.41 | xand | it's etch, I should probably upgrade :P and the kernel is not a packaged one |
| 18:57.51 | enouf | i wonder if kjournald+pdflush are going bonkers on his ext3 -- xand do you mount with noatime/relatime ? |
| 18:57.54 | jelly | xand: it basically looks like a resource exhaustion issue |
| 18:57.55 | coldtobi | I saw the same on: Linux thecus 2.6.30-1-iop32x #1 Mon Jun 15 05:25:53 UTC 2009 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 18:58.19 | jelly | coldtobi: did the thing also have very little RAM? |
| 18:58.23 | xand | CutMeOwnThroat: the partition on which /home resides is NFS shared, yes, to several other machines |
| 18:58.31 | xand | enouf: |
| 18:58.33 | xand | er |
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| 18:58.55 | xand | no, I don't have noatime or relatime |
| 18:59.08 | cyc | enouf I've made a backup of /etc before I did anything. I've forgot only the --get-selections part |
| 18:59.17 | xand | (not sure what relatime is) |
| 18:59.26 | coldtobi | jelly: 512M |
| 18:59.27 | cyc | enouf but that info (about packages) isn't in the /etc at all ... |
| 18:59.35 | coldtobi | but I have noatime |
| 18:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, and 2 people logging in to X at the same time is no problem, I guess? Must be something with sshfs, then - I thought sharing via sshfs should be even simpler, but... "doez not workx" - ssh -X can't access my .Xauthority |
| 18:59.42 | jelly | coldtobi: irrelevant |
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| 19:00.04 | jelly | has no idea why that was brought up |
| 19:00.05 | xand | CutMeOwnThroat: er what |
| 19:00.21 | xand | enouf: you think I should use noatime? |
| 19:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just thinking along the lines of some problem I have |
| 19:00.30 | enouf | xand: i do |
| 19:00.33 | xand | I guess it would decrease io activity a bit |
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| 19:00.38 | jelly | xand: that likely won't help |
| 19:00.39 | enouf | or relatime xand |
| 19:00.40 | xand | enouf: what's relatime? should that be realtime? |
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| 19:00.48 | enouf | no |
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| 19:00.54 | enouf | relative atime |
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| 19:01.27 | enouf | xand: http://lwn.net/Articles/326471/ |
| 19:01.45 | coldtobi | http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2009/07/msg00031.html |
| 19:01.50 | ferret_ | xand: you should use noatime in any case |
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| 19:01.56 | ferret_ | You don't need them |
| 19:02.03 | xand | currently just use noatime on my machines that have / on flash memory or encrypted filesystem |
| 19:02.13 | bpgoldsb | I've got two machines that both have the same list of trusted keys for apt (check with apt-key list + diff). One machine trusts the packages from Squeeze, one doesn't. Any ideas for debugging? |
| 19:02.18 | jelly | xand: what's interesting is there's almost _no_ swap usage |
| 19:02.31 | xand | ferret_: can you put the food in? |
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| 19:02.38 | ferret_ | no ;.; |
| 19:02.38 | xand | jelly: indeed |
| 19:02.42 | xand | :( |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: same version of debian-archive-keyring installed ? run `apt-get update;aptitude update` on both |
| 19:03.02 | boonyo | xand: do you have an encrypted debian installation on a flash drive? |
| 19:03.12 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, Yes, I do. |
| 19:03.13 | coldtobi | xand: using user-space nfs solved this for me. |
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| 19:03.34 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: see the last part of what i said |
| 19:03.43 | bpgoldsb | One is a Squeeze debootstrap, one is a Lenny install. |
| 19:03.45 | bpgoldsb | Doing it now. |
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| 19:04.01 | jelly | xand: sounds like you found a somewhat interesting vfs issue. Report to lkml. :-) |
| 19:04.16 | jelly | xand: is this reproducible? |
| 19:04.22 | coldtobi | xand, if you do, please cc me. |
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| 19:04.33 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, done. Same version of debian-archive-keyring on both. |
| 19:04.48 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: is it still complaining ? |
| 19:04.54 | bpgoldsb | Yes. |
| 19:05.09 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: what's the actual error ? |
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| 19:05.20 | jelly | xand: if it happens often, try a newer kernel; similar contentions do get fixed all the time |
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| 19:05.39 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m4cdd9430 |
| 19:05.45 | coldtobi | jelly: I can reproduce this with 2.6.30 |
| 19:05.49 | kyja | greetings, I have a 4 gig stick running ubuntu but want to make a bootable debian with working 802.11 and a non crashing java... posible? :) |
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| 19:06.00 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: apt-cache policy rsyslog .. says what ? |
| 19:06.18 | jelly | coldtobi: do your stack traces look exactly the same? |
| 19:06.35 | coldtobi | almost. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2009/07/msg00031.html |
| 19:06.38 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m30ad0615 |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | wtf is barfness.us ? |
| 19:07.00 | jelly | coldtobi: (the function names, obviously the offsets and other crap will differ between the architecures) |
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| 19:07.11 | bpgoldsb | approx mirror |
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| 19:07.17 | bpgoldsb | Personal testing network |
| 19:07.32 | xand | jelly: yeah I think I will, though it's not that frequent |
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| 19:07.37 | coldtobi | so I should say "yes" then |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | why is the mirror looking goofy? |
| 19:07.51 | bpgoldsb | In what way is it looking goofy? |
| 19:07.52 | xand | boonyo: no |
| 19:08.04 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: compare 7 to 9 .. 9 looks normal |
| 19:08.17 | bpgoldsb | Oh. |
| 19:08.31 | coldtobi | xand, may i message you my email? |
| 19:08.45 | bpgoldsb | 9 is using port 9999 (not shown?) which actually talks to approx. 7 is using port 80, which is where i put my own packages. |
| 19:08.52 | xand | coldtobi: yes, but I wasn't going to report anything without trying a new kernel for a few weeks |
| 19:08.57 | jelly | coldtobi: do you also delete lots of files locally on the server, rm returns but the space doesn't get cleared up? |
| 19:08.58 | bpgoldsb | 9999 is approx, 80 is apache |
| 19:09.09 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: i meant the structure .. compare "amd64/" to "lenny/main" |
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| 19:09.25 | bpgoldsb | Right. Thats just the uri where I put the stuff. I can put it wherever. |
| 19:09.29 | coldtobi | I copied one big file to the remote nfs (image of a harddrive with fs corruption) |
| 19:09.39 | bpgoldsb | I have x86, amd64, and all (the 3 versions I support) |
| 19:09.59 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: when you run apt-get update ... are there any errors ? |
| 19:10.04 | coldtobi | I did not see that deleting did not free it. |
| 19:10.21 | jelly | coldtobi: did it eventually arrive? |
| 19:10.36 | coldtobi | with userspace nfs, yes. kernel-mode nfs, no |
| 19:10.36 | bpgoldsb | Errors? No. |
| 19:10.49 | bpgoldsb | Some Ign's, but I don't think thats an error |
| 19:10.51 | exn | Guys Help Please !!! How can I copy from screen output which was happens from one program to file. I can't rerun this program with > file, I have output, and it very long, how can I copy it file? copy/paste is not good idea |
| 19:11.03 | abrotman | ctrl-a, esc |
| 19:11.10 | exn | and |
| 19:11.13 | exn | ? |
| 19:11.27 | xand | exn: and then you can press the up arrow key to scroll up |
| 19:11.30 | jelly | coldtobi: well, you have nfs <-> r8169 memory issues; he has nfs <-> vfs (open / deleted files) issues; doesn't really look the same |
| 19:11.48 | exn | xand: I know it |
| 19:11.49 | abrotman | or next time use 'script' to save the output ? |
| 19:11.55 | jelly | coldtobi: except for nfs interaction at both |
| 19:12.03 | exn | but how I can save this all what I see to file |
| 19:12.06 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, the rsyslog (and other squeeze packages) are on dpkg.barf.leetness.us:80, so I know it's working to an extent or it wouldn't even see the packages |
| 19:12.08 | xand | jelly: I have r8169 too c.c |
| 19:12.13 | xand | but anyway |
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| 19:12.30 | jelly | lkml is that way --> |
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| 19:12.55 | coldtobi | he has also page allocation faults. |
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| 19:13.15 | jelly | coldtobi: that just means "out of memory". |
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| 19:14.29 | coldtobi | well, but it should not get out of memory. Ok, nfs to a thecus is "high load", but shouldn't kflushd take care about that? |
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| 19:15.19 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: if you just install them .. will it keep saying it on other packages ? |
| 19:15.22 | jelly | coldtobi: I wonder if increasing /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes would help in your case |
| 19:16.24 | jelly | coldtobi: but in your case, it's nfs or something near it that hogs memory, and r8169 that fails to get any, thus hanging the nfs transfer and creating an unresolvable deadlock |
| 19:16.28 | Ezep | Anyone knows about a "paste" web framework? |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | like a pastebin site ? |
| 19:16.49 | jelly | coldtobi: in his case, it seems there're vfs issues |
| 19:16.52 | Ezep | abrotman: yes |
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| 19:17.04 | abrotman | more than a couple on freshmeat IIRC |
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| 19:17.17 | Ezep | abrotman: I mean, a stable one :) |
| 19:17.42 | avu | Ezep, the code of many of the major ones is free |
| 19:17.45 | jelly | coldtobi: same symptom; the cause may or may not be the same. It doesn't look that similar from where I stand. |
| 19:17.53 | avu | Ezep, dpaste.de and paste.pocoo.org for example |
| 19:18.06 | Ezep | avu: great, let me see :) |
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| 19:19.05 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, Not sure. Want me to install, purge, and see? |
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| 19:19.34 | jelly | coldtobi: setting min_free_pages in advance could, perhaps, help the network driver allocate stuff when it needs and avoid the bug |
| 19:19.38 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: sure .. why not? |
| 19:20.04 | Ezep | avu: thanks |
| 19:20.07 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:20.22 | jelly | coldtobi: both of these are kernel issues rather than Debian directly |
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| 19:20.48 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, Nope. Installed, purged, still untrusted. |
| 19:20.55 | jelly | thinks nfs in linux is still crap... in corner cases |
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| 19:21.26 | coldtobi | sure. but we hit that topic just by coincidence. |
| 19:21.33 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: (concerning your issue, would you try removing the '-nolisten tcp' part from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc) perhaps? or is that way off .. |
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| 19:22.38 | jelly | coldtobi: it's important to try and discern what's happening before jumping to the "same issue as them" train |
| 19:22.53 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: and you're sure that `apt-key list` show both the same keys? |
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| 19:23.57 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, you can confirm but: http://pastebin.com/m3477fe75 |
| 19:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, no, must be a property of sshfs mounted .Xauthority |
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| 19:25.34 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: apt-key update ? i really don't see why it would be untrusted .. unless the approx can't ever be trusted |
| 19:25.52 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: might be a new 'feature' in the apt in squeeze |
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| 19:26.46 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, I had tried that before. I guess I'll backport apt and try it out |
| 19:27.45 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, It more bothers me that I can't find a diffinitive reason as to why it's happening. |
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| 19:28.15 | martianlobster | when I type ls, I see files, that are not there. How do I fix the file system? |
| 19:28.42 | abrotman | how do you know they are not there? |
| 19:28.54 | martianlobster | ooh nevermind, lol |
| 19:29.01 | martianlobster | I wasn't typing ls |
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| 19:32.10 | cyc | does anyone know if I can just copy mysql databases in /var/lib/mysql when I have this new system installed or is import a must? |
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| 19:32.35 | martianlobster | cyc: mysqldump is your safest option. |
| 19:32.44 | martianlobster | that is what mysqldump was created for |
| 19:32.49 | cyc | I'm not sure I have export ... I do have backup or files, but for the dumps I'm not too sure |
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| 19:33.21 | abrotman | cyc: ask #mysql .. or read the mysql docs that talk about how to backup |
| 19:33.32 | cyc | ok |
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| 19:34.56 | coldtobi | jelly: im not a kernel hacker, but a professional software engineer. so xands description raised a flag. |
| 19:35.05 | coldtobi | xrandr: why did you run out of memory? |
| 19:36.19 | jelly | coldtobi: gotcha. I'm just a sysadmin (though my story's seldom told) |
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| 19:40.58 | enouf | tickles jelly to entice the storytelling |
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| 19:41.50 | cdleonard | hello |
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| 19:42.07 | cdleonard | I'm confused by mac changing |
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| 19:42.29 | cdleonard | is there a way to revert to the "default MAC"? |
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| 19:43.22 | enouf | !70 |
| 19:43.22 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 19:43.50 | enouf | unless, you're doing something intentional? ... erm .. |
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| 19:44.16 | coldtobi | wondering if /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules contains original mac? |
| 19:44.22 | cdleonard | well; I want to rename my cards |
| 19:44.37 | cdleonard | but it seems wrong to do it based on the mac; since that can be changed |
| 19:44.38 | enouf | ifrename? rename how/why? |
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| 19:44.58 | enouf | you mean rename the iface name? |
| 19:45.09 | enouf | what is it now, and what do you think it should be? |
| 19:45.22 | cdleonard | what happens if I use ifrename and hwaddress in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:45.40 | enouf | you start answering questions? |
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| 19:46.00 | enouf | :-p |
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| 19:46.41 | cdleonard | I want to understand how mac changing works |
| 19:46.59 | cdleonard | and I want to rename interfaces in a way that won't blow up if I change a mac |
| 19:47.00 | enouf | read the source? |
| 19:47.38 | cdleonard | *cough* thank you |
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| 19:49.30 | syslq78 | Has anybody used dd_rescue over ssh with success? |
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| 19:52.10 | enouf | cdleonard: ##networking and perhaps #security? |
| 19:52.30 | enouf | cdleonard: maybe even kernel related channels |
| 19:53.29 | jelly | syslq78: ssh, or sshfs? |
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| 19:53.55 | jelly | why do I even ask, I tried neither |
| 19:54.41 | syslq78 | jelly, sshfs? |
| 19:54.41 | syslq78 | ssh files system? |
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| 19:55.56 | marctew | The debian installer of Lenny refuses to use the encrypted partitions as / and so it's impossible to continue with installation |
| 19:56.01 | marctew | anyone know what to do? |
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| 19:57.16 | meder_ | I'm behind a proxy from the Debian Installer and it obviously fails connection to the internet. I found out I can enable my terminal by ctrl alt f4 and hitting Enter, and bam command line. I tried to do export http_proxy= but it looks like it didnt work. Any tips? |
| 19:57.22 | jelly | syslq78: a way to make sftp look as a real locally mounted filesystem. Works using FUSE. The package is called sshfs. |
| 19:57.55 | syslq78 | jelly, thanks |
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| 20:02.13 | marctew | The debian installer of Lenny refuses to use the encrypted partitions as / and so it's impossible to continue with installation |
| 20:02.14 | marctew | anyone know what to do? |
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| 20:04.52 | marctew | So? |
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| 20:07.08 | coldtobi | marctew: you lacking details whats wrong. |
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| 20:08.14 | enouf | marctew: /msg dpkg rescue |
| 20:08.27 | enouf | then follow the other factoid about encryption |
| 20:09.05 | marctew | which? |
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| 20:09.48 | enouf | marctew: ugh - i meant the url |
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| 20:10.28 | enouf | marctew: er "/msg dpkg rescue mode" shows http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 20:10.32 | enouf | my bad |
| 20:10.47 | marctew | is this the one I should read? |
| 20:11.03 | enouf | marctew: well - for a start - unless you can explain more |
| 20:11.31 | enouf | marctew: i mean, was it encrypted prior to installation? did you already enter passwd? |
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| 20:11.41 | enouf | what's the exact error? |
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| 20:17.45 | meder_ | my debian installer is running in tty 4 terminal obviously, i managed to get a export http_proxy and wget going in tty 2 terminal.. is there a way i can adjust tty4 while its running debian installer to use the http_proxy variable? |
| 20:18.03 | meder_ | right now it fails to wget because im behind a proxy |
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| 20:20.23 | meder_ | i was thinking i could temporarily modify the wget program by installing another one in place that calls the original |
| 20:20.28 | meder_ | just for this temporary installation |
| 20:20.51 | meder_ | so id go to /usr/bin and save wget as wget-real and make wget call it with a proxy.. dunno how though |
| 20:21.04 | patrikf | meder_: hmm. can't you set proxy settings within d-i? |
| 20:21.11 | coldtobi | meder_: Could be wrong, but d-i should ask you about proxies... Maybe expert-mode? |
| 20:21.15 | meder_ | uh. |
| 20:21.50 | meder_ | the screen for installer gives me a dropdown with some few preselected options.. are you saying restart the whole process in another tty? |
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| 20:22.02 | meder_ | 'choose language... select keyboard layout.. detect network... download installer components... ' |
| 20:22.17 | Wooga | is there any ImageMagick-like tools for sounds? |
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| 20:22.38 | meder_ | the only buttons available are 'Screenshot' and 'Continue' |
| 20:22.45 | \amethyst | Wooga: sox ? |
| 20:22.54 | meder_ | there's a 'Execute Shell' but it doesnt save that shell.. i think it uses screen |
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| 20:23.09 | Wooga | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 20:24.07 | meder_ | i tried to google for 'debian installer proxy' but no results |
| 20:24.10 | meder_ | relevant results that is. |
| 20:24.22 | meder_ | just results that say how to do export http_proxy in terminal. |
| 20:24.34 | \amethyst | Wooga: it's mostly about conversion, but does have a number of effects like band-pass filters, chorus, echo, etc |
| 20:24.49 | meder_ | by the way i'm *not* running this from a cd |
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| 20:25.17 | meder_ | i wonder if this isnt the *real* debian installer.. it looks like it though |
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| 20:25.56 | coldtobi | meder: It has to ask you after selecting the mirror: http://blog.coldtobi.de/1_coldtobis_blog/archive/171_installing_debian_on_the_thecus_n2100_--_part_3_--_installing_debian.html |
| 20:26.10 | meder_ | yeah. that's not the one I'm using |
| 20:26.25 | meder_ | mine seems like a more graphical and pretty version but with less options |
| 20:26.54 | ranix | !resolv.conf |
| 20:26.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
| 20:26.55 | coldtobi | I used a console-based one for the tutorial (the thecus has no monitor, so its over ssh) |
| 20:27.18 | enouf | meder_: that just means it defaulted to using gtk mode |
| 20:27.29 | enouf | meder_: hit f1-f10 |
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| 20:28.09 | coldtobi | meder_: try to use "back" in the installer. ASAIR that can bring you to an expert menu |
| 20:28.21 | enouf | meder_: something possibly useful http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/ |
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| 20:30.43 | meder_ | i should've mentioned this sooner but I did use some program on Windows that creates a new partition for Debian |
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| 20:30.54 | meder_ | but I'm rebooting and doing this on that partition |
| 20:30.54 | meder_ | so it's not within Windows |
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| 20:31.13 | meder_ | It's sorta like wubi.. I'll see if I can just use the net install disc instead of this |
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| 20:31.42 | toolz | I have a problem, my /var always gets full |
| 20:31.50 | toolz | though I daily remove zipped logs |
| 20:31.57 | toolz | what should I check for? |
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| 20:32.05 | abrotman | what is filling it? |
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| 20:32.15 | toolz | no idea what exactly is filling it |
| 20:32.18 | toolz | how can I find out? |
| 20:32.26 | toolz | I dont see any suspicious file/dir inside |
| 20:32.37 | meder_ | maybe there's a hidden directory? |
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| 20:33.26 | toolz | dunno, any way to find out large files from /var ? |
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| 20:34.46 | coldtobi | du -hs ./var/* |
| 20:34.59 | serge_sans_paill | find /var -size +100M |
| 20:35.00 | coldtobi | wo the "." of course |
| 20:35.34 | coldtobi | serger: wont hit many small files... |
| 20:35.47 | toolz | 1,8G /var/log/proftpd |
| 20:35.52 | toolz | shithead proftpd |
| 20:36.07 | meder_ | heh |
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| 20:36.22 | coldtobi | toolz, check logging level... |
| 20:36.31 | serge_sans_paill | colby: he wanted to find out large files ... |
| 20:37.00 | coldtobi | right. srry |
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| 20:38.16 | abrotman | toolz: aptitude clean ? |
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| 20:40.16 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how do i leave a domain from the cli can i use the net rpc ? |
| 20:40.23 | bbelt16ag | i cant find a leave domain option... |
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| 20:40.30 | enouf | toolz: perhaps the daemon settings can be tweaked in /etc/default/ (if there is a system daemon for it) |
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| 20:41.04 | phreestyler | Hi there. |
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| 20:41.40 | enouf | toolz: this won't help /var but localepurge is something to consider |
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| 20:42.00 | phreestyler | im trying to boot debian on a Apple G5 and it stuck on loading second stage bootstrap |
| 20:42.07 | phreestyler | can anyone help me? |
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| 20:48.00 | adb | phreestyler: try #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:48.19 | phreestyler | adb: thanx |
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| 20:49.09 | adb | np |
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| 21:01.14 | JyZyXEL | woah installing oss4 really fucked up alsa =D |
| 21:01.24 | JyZyXEL | can't go back anymore |
| 21:01.25 | toolz | ic |
| 21:01.30 | toolz | ok, thanks, see you later I have to run |
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| 21:04.25 | Dominicus | If I want to use a package that does a speed test optimization to the fastest mirror for me, what one would I use. I've heard of "netselect", are there other ones? Which works the best, and which handles the occasional missing package, and how would i accomodate my sources.lst file so that aptitude tried to get that package from another repository as a fallback? |
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| 21:05.47 | xsamurai | how do i figure out which packages were added or removed by date |
| 21:05.48 | xsamurai | ? |
| 21:06.27 | patrikf | Dominicus: the "occasional missing package"? |
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| 21:07.04 | patrikf | Dominicus: that might happen if you're updating during mirror sync, but your best bet is to try again in a few hours. I don't see the need for a fallback mirror. |
| 21:07.25 | Dominicus | patrikf: I tried netselect, and one other package manager before to do the mirror optimize thing (not at the same time of course), and when I told it to upgrade (fetch the packages), the mirror didn't have the needed package file. |
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| 21:08.23 | patrikf | Dominicus: maybe you didn't update your package lists before upgrading |
| 21:08.23 | fiasco | hey, I'm wondering when the next release of PHP 5.2 will get updated to the lenny repos. Anyone here know? |
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| 21:08.34 | Dominicus | patrikf: I've never had a problem with the master repository servers "http://http.us.debian.org/debian". |
| 21:08.34 | patrikf | Dominicus: so you were trying to download an outdated package |
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| 21:08.59 | patrikf | I've never had any problems with my local mirror either... |
| 21:09.26 | Dominicus | patrikf: I did run the update. I always run the update. If, it doesn't work, I just update and then upgrade again, because i assume there was a hiccup, or that it was my faullt. |
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| 21:10.18 | Dominicus | patrikf: I wasn't trying to download an outdated package. I had just tried to install one that was avilable in the repository, and a dependency needed another package that happened to not exist on the server. |
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| 21:10.45 | akuu | How can I know what is the device file of a sd-card reader ? |
| 21:11.30 | JyZyXEL | [ 21.805861] EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:06.0 failed with error -12 |
| 21:11.35 | JyZyXEL | whats error -12 |
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| 21:14.18 | Dominicus | patrikf: So, what woud I use... does netselect work well? Or, is there another package that days the same thing that I should look at? |
| 21:14.58 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: http://www.wlug.org.nz/AlsaNotes mentions this error |
| 21:15.01 | patrikf | Dominicus, netselect should do reasonably well. but you can just pick a mirror in your country from the list as well, really |
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| 21:15.28 | JyZyXEL | damn it |
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| 21:15.56 | JyZyXEL | both alsa and oss are fucking horrible |
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| 21:17.42 | xsamurai | how do i figure out which date a package was removed or added ? |
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| 21:22.12 | xsamurai | anybody ? |
| 21:22.45 | JyZyXEL | when another audio channel is not working you usually go check all the plugs |
| 21:22.46 | dmoerner | xsamurai, http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html should have a log of all of that |
| 21:22.49 | JyZyXEL | well with alsa its not necessary |
| 21:22.58 | JyZyXEL | cause with alsa stupid shit like this happends all the time |
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| 21:23.53 | xsamurai | dmoerner: i meant on my system |
| 21:24.14 | xsamurai | let say i added apache or removed it , is there a log that keeps track of when it was added or removed |
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| 21:28.07 | cahoot | aptitude keeps logs in /var/log |
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| 21:32.13 | enouf | xsamurai: /msg dpkg dlog |
| 21:32.27 | xsamurai | thanks enouf |
| 21:32.47 | xray492 | Are any of you familiar with the ath9k module? I recently compiled a new kernel enabling this driver, booted into said kernel and then the kernel panic'd. |
| 21:33.05 | enouf | !ath9k |
| 21:33.06 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11 draft-n PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27-rc3. Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170> or <otus>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:33.25 | enouf | !madwifi |
| 21:33.26 | dpkg | [madwifi] the <non-free> driver for non-USB wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask about <zd1211rw>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath_pci http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support #madwifi on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
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| 21:33.56 | enouf | feels like compiling a kernel |
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| 21:34.20 | enouf | looks around and finds ... .30.3 source .. hrmmmm |
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| 21:34.39 | enouf | wait - i have old hardware, wtf! :-p |
| 21:36.43 | xray492 | dpkg: ath9k... I am a squeeze user. |
| 21:36.44 | dpkg | xray492: i don't know |
| 21:36.44 | Floops[w] | enouf, what is best way to set timer on ssh session |
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| 21:37.16 | xray492 | dpkg: How do i enable ath9k in Squeeze? |
| 21:37.17 | dpkg | xray492: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:37.31 | xray492 | dpkg: ath9k |
| 21:37.32 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11 draft-n PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27-rc3. Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170> or <otus>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:37.46 | asg | xray492: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:38.00 | mjt | !dpkg |
| 21:38.01 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 21:38.06 | mjt | ;) |
| 21:38.17 | darkblueB | hi all - I am not an admin by training, though a coder.. I have two new debian 5 boxes as postgres servers.. I am about to move them to a new network.. Is there something I should do to nail down their IP address? (its behind a DLink router, dhcp otherwise) |
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| 21:38.52 | darkblueB | I am looking through my notes and all I see so far is that I set an address range in a postgres conf file to allow access |
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| 21:39.06 | mjt | if they're configured to use dhcp and your destination network uses dhcp, -- nothing to do. |
| 21:39.11 | asg | darkblueB: just change the relevant entries in /etc/network/interfaces and any iptables or postgres related acls |
| 21:39.26 | mjt | but yeah, postgres acls. |
| 21:39.43 | darkblueB | they are a pair, so I will be scripting some services between them later, so I do want to address to stay the same |
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| 21:40.03 | darkblueB | ok /etc/network/interfaces.. looking |
| 21:40.03 | helo | if i know the start and end sectors of a partition, but the partition table on the drive is corrupt (and correcting it is not an option), can i mount it using device mapper? |
| 21:40.15 | mjt | so it's /etc/network/interfaces.. man interfaces |
| 21:42.05 | Tramp | "use dhcp" and "want addresses to stay the same" usually needs action on the dhcp-server. |
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| 21:42.23 | darkblueB | Tramp thats wy I am asking :-) |
| 21:42.26 | darkblueB | why |
| 21:42.43 | enouf | Floops[w]: no idea |
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| 21:42.49 | darkblueB | I have control of all the pieces, just trying to deduce how to proceed |
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| 21:43.26 | Tramp | darkblueB: the dhcp server has to be configured to hand addresses out based on MAC addresses |
| 21:43.33 | enouf | helo: was the drive using LVM prior? |
| 21:43.46 | darkblueB | Tramp ok |
| 21:44.13 | darkblueB | man interfaces looks like all that hardcore stuff I am so not familiar with |
| 21:44.17 | darkblueB | though I am not afraid of it |
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| 21:44.27 | enouf | helo: why not try generating an image with gddrescue or such and loop mounting, using offsets, etc |
| 21:44.56 | enouf | helo: also gpart might be able to guess the table |
| 21:45.59 | helo | enouf: i'm just trying to use the extra space on this live usb drive, which has an invalid partition table... so mount looping may be what i'm looking for |
| 21:46.04 | Tramp | darkblueB: you said you "move them to a new network" - so unless this new network uses the same IP range as the "old" network, the servers will get new addresses there. |
| 21:46.13 | darkblueB | Tramp: yes |
| 21:46.14 | helo | the usb live image has an invalid partition table, incidentally |
| 21:46.51 | darkblueB | Tramp new addresses are fine.. I will add entries to postgres conf as needed.. but I just want them to stay the same over time, so I can script services btween the pair |
| 21:47.13 | Tramp | darkblueB: so you will get new addresses anyways. But to be sure, that these new addresses in the new network then stay the same, you have to configure the new dhcp-server accordingly |
| 21:47.13 | darkblueB | Tramp so I am looking at the DLink router conf page now |
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| 21:48.49 | Shockcore | hi |
| 21:48.53 | Tramp | darkblueB: what you want is an option to bind handed out dhcp-addresses to MAC (hardware) addresses - this is outside the scope of Debian though. |
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| 21:49.08 | Shockcore | is it possible to use apt-get lftp but make lftp use openssl instead of gnutls? |
| 21:49.19 | darkblueB | Tramp so no chatter about that on this channel then? |
| 21:49.21 | enouf | helo: what does "live usb drive" mean? |
| 21:49.39 | enouf | helo: invalid? send it to Jail ;p |
| 21:49.39 | nsadmin | it's alive!! |
| 21:49.46 | Tramp | darkblueB: well, as far as your DLink-router is concerned, ##networking may be the better place |
| 21:49.53 | darkblueB | aha thx |
| 21:50.02 | enouf | better yet. exile the sucker ;-) |
| 21:53.36 | dutchfish | darkblueB, what you need is address reservation on your dhcp server |
| 21:54.31 | darkblueB | dutchfish y |
| 21:54.31 | Shockcore | is it possible to link lftp with openssl instead of gnutls? i want to install it via apt-get... |
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| 21:56.41 | dutchfish | darkblueB, something like this, chears: http://debian.pastebin.com/m49ddec01 |
| 21:56.46 | bbelt16ag | can somebody help em with my samba config for printing a cups printer ? local printer |
| 21:56.47 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1509384 |
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| 22:03.11 | nsadmin | bbelt16ag: the paste just contains your config? |
| 22:03.23 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 22:03.28 | nsadmin | ok, then: |
| 22:03.36 | bbelt16ag | crappy config |
| 22:03.47 | nsadmin | whoever is going to help you, will need more information, |
| 22:03.59 | bbelt16ag | i am apart of a domain but i use the old net rpc join command so its using win2k and nt 4 way of doing it |
| 22:04.03 | nsadmin | what exactly is the problem |
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| 22:04.19 | nsadmin | what have you tried so far |
| 22:04.21 | bbelt16ag | i am not seeing my printer in the printer folder on my machine |
| 22:04.37 | bbelt16ag | when i look at the server on the network from a lcient |
| 22:04.38 | bbelt16ag | client |
| 22:04.54 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to figure out how to use cups since thats what i got setup |
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| 22:05.31 | nsadmin | so you're looking to use windows machines as clients in printing to your cups printer on linux |
| 22:05.31 | bbelt16ag | i tried using the add printer button in windows.. but idnt work said i couldnt write to $print share |
| 22:05.34 | nsadmin | is that right? |
| 22:05.39 | bbelt16ag | correct |
| 22:06.02 | bbelt16ag | they can be guests for right now. just need it setup |
| 22:06.17 | bbelt16ag | dont have to use domain users since that is gonna change a bit somethime |
| 22:06.50 | nsadmin | (others: as I work to gather information about bbelt16ag, please pay attention to see if you can help) |
| 22:07.08 | bbelt16ag | thanks you for the help i appreciate it |
| 22:07.15 | bbelt16ag | if you need more info just say so |
| 22:07.19 | bbelt16ag | its debian lenny 5.0 |
| 22:07.20 | nsadmin | bbelt16ag: at this point is sounds like a permission issue |
| 22:07.49 | nsadmin | you mean the samba and cups servers are running on a 5.0? |
| 22:07.56 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 22:08.31 | dutchfish | samba, cups, printershare setup: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Sharing_a_printer_to_Windows_XP_clients_with_Samba_and_Cups |
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| 22:09.15 | nsadmin | dutchfish: thanks muchly :) |
| 22:09.22 | dutchfish | nsadmin, yw |
| 22:09.29 | bbelt16ag | btw i can print test pages locally so its not the printer or my configs for cups |
| 22:09.43 | nsadmin | that's good info too |
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| 22:10.03 | nsadmin | but right now the main blocking issue is inability to print thru samba |
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| 22:10.22 | bbelt16ag | ys |
| 22:10.24 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 22:10.34 | nsadmin | but what if you printed directly to cups using the lpr protocol to start with? |
| 22:10.51 | bbelt16ag | that would be fine |
| 22:11.02 | dutchfish | tip: Allow From 192.168.1.* (or what ever first tripplet is being used) |
| 22:11.05 | bbelt16ag | whats the diff |
| 22:11.06 | dutchfish | in cups |
| 22:11.10 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 22:12.20 | nsadmin | to that end you'd try to make a new windows printer and for the driver/type you'd try to choose something to the effect of unix or lpr printing, mentioning the IP of the server |
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| 22:12.28 | nsadmin | maybe you don't have to do that |
| 22:12.44 | nsadmin | but it might work if windows can do it |
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| 22:13.08 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 22:13.14 | dutchfish | bbelt16ag, printcap name = cups is also missing |
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| 22:13.21 | bbelt16ag | ah |
| 22:13.22 | enouf | openprinting,org |
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| 22:14.00 | dutchfish | bbelt16ag, if you follow that lik, its a pretty clear cust and paste setup ... |
| 22:14.05 | dutchfish | s/lik/link |
| 22:14.11 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure cups |
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| 22:14.51 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 22:17.13 | bbelt16ag | got it |
| 22:17.17 | bbelt16ag | thats what was mising.. |
| 22:17.19 | bbelt16ag | seesh |
| 22:17.36 | bbelt16ag | i was moving sections around trying to make sense of stuff and i cut it out. |
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| 22:21.49 | bbelt16ag | ok now i got two shared one works and the other dosnt |
| 22:21.51 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 22:22.37 | dutchfish | hi, i have a weird problem in a nagios-plugin (standard), check_ntp -H foo does work brilliantly, but fails with a time-out when use in a service-group configuration, i have galred an hour over thta pretty simple code, but can not find the reason, anyone knows to tackle this? |
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| 22:23.54 | MrWax | accidently came into split screen view of screen, any idea how to exit this again? |
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| 22:24.00 | bbelt16ag | i got it thanks a million peeps |
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| 22:24.17 | brimstone | is there an option in apt-get to have it ignore disk space requirements while installing a package? |
| 22:25.00 | abrotman | do you think disk space will magically appear ? |
| 22:25.31 | brimstone | yes, it's an initramfs partition |
| 22:25.53 | dutchfish | brimstone, is that a fast internet connection? |
| 22:26.12 | brimstone | dutchfish: i don't understand your question |
| 22:26.25 | MrWax | accidently came into split screen view of screen, any idea how to exit this again? |
| 22:26.33 | dutchfish | brimstone, is that machine connected too a somehow fast internet connection? |
| 22:26.56 | brimstone | dutchfish: it's pulling off the local debian mirror, so i'd say yes |
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| 22:27.11 | brimstone | MrWax: typlically C-A,X |
| 22:27.18 | brimstone | *typically |
| 22:27.23 | dutchfish | brimstone, ok, you might get away with clearing apt's cache, something like aptitude clear |
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| 22:27.35 | dutchfish | brimstone, that can save some Mb's |
| 22:28.03 | brimstone | dutchfish: it's not a matter of having the space, it's a matter of apt not realizing that a rootfs will always report out of space |
| 22:28.24 | brimstone | i can dd urandom into the archives directory and make a 2~10 MB file with no problems |
| 22:28.32 | MrWax | thanks |
| 22:29.54 | dutchfish | brimstone, swap space? |
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| 22:30.54 | dutchfish | brimstone, and you are not using unnionfs? |
| 22:31.08 | dutchfish | s/unnionfs/unionfs |
| 22:31.28 | brimstone | aufs actually, but it's still compaining apparently |
| 22:31.34 | brimstone | maybe that's messed up, i'll go check |
| 22:31.44 | themill | !dbugs 365398 |
| 22:31.48 | dpkg | #365398:N[apt] apt-get fails when using ramfs (); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:48:02 UTC [] |
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| 22:32.17 | themill | !dbugs 273483 |
| 22:32.21 | dpkg | DONE:#273483:W[apt] apt-get source refuses to download to ramfs FS. You don't have enough free space in . (); Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:18:03 UTC [] |
| 22:32.28 | themill | brimstone: ^^ the bts is your friend |
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| 22:33.58 | dutchfish | brimstone, In Debian all apps are generally installed to the /usr dir. The usual place for this dir is under / but can be located anywhere if you set it up (easiest during installation of your system) correctly. |
| 22:33.58 | unomystEz | what's the syntax to add an interface alias? |
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| 22:34.05 | unomystEz | like eth0:1 |
| 22:34.10 | brimstone | themill: i hadn't even thought it was a bug, just a configuration option |
| 22:34.31 | themill | brimstone: first two hits googling "apt-get ramfs" ... |
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| 22:35.00 | brimstone | themill: i was googling rootfs, which was what was returned with df |
| 22:35.14 | unomystEz | nm, got it |
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| 22:39.17 | dutchfish | themill, thanks, intresting ... |
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| 22:40.50 | Shockcore | is it possible to link lftp with openssl instead of gnutls? i want to install it via apt-get... |
| 22:41.20 | abrotman | Shockcore: is there a problem with gnutls ? |
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| 22:41.47 | Shockcore | yes |
| 22:42.02 | abrotman | expounding? |
| 22:42.04 | Shockcore | **** gnutls_handshake: The Diffie Hellman prime sent by the server is not acceptable (not long enough). |
| 22:42.21 | abrotman | maybe that's a problem with openssl ? |
| 22:42.37 | abrotman | !whygnutls |
| 22:42.37 | dpkg | http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL2 and http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 22:42.44 | abrotman | and i doubt you can get it with ssl instead of tls |
| 22:43.00 | enouf | Shockcore: there's a bug IIRC on BTS about that? |
| 22:43.13 | petemc | Shockcore: ive rebuilt exim to use openssl in the past, used apt-get source exim4 and edited debian/rules |
| 22:43.23 | enouf | there's gnutls-openssl stuffs abrotman |
| 22:43.44 | enouf | Shockcore: are you on Lenny? |
| 22:43.47 | abrotman | i meant get it without building it yourself |
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| 22:44.35 | Shockcore | yes |
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| 22:45.05 | enouf | abrotman: no good? libgnutls26: /usr/lib/libgnutls-openssl.so.26.11.7 |
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| 22:45.14 | themill | dpkg: tell Shockcore about package recompile |
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| 22:45.16 | abrotman | enouf: i'm not the one complaining |
| 22:45.22 | enouf | haha :-P |
| 22:45.44 | enouf | i'm sure petemc , and themill know more about it than i |
| 22:45.49 | enouf | and you |
| 22:45.54 | enouf | er.. fuck |
| 22:46.01 | enouf | i'm sure you and petemc , and themill know more about it than i |
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| 22:47.15 | Shockcore | umm |
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| 22:48.09 | Shockcore | thanks |
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| 22:51.51 | enouf | Shockcore: sorry - the bug, if any i was thinking about concerned LDAP, if i recall correctly, not ltfp |
| 22:52.37 | Shockcore | ok |
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| 22:54.24 | enouf | lftp* |
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| 22:54.36 | enouf | where's liable ? |
| 22:54.56 | enouf | where's waldo for that matter ... heh |
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| 22:55.39 | dutchfish | ok, check_ntp in lenny still has #509589, comfirmed |
| 22:56.23 | dutchfish | disabling ipv6 solved it |
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| 22:57.12 | enouf | dutchfish: whoa .. not with openvz you won't :-P |
| 22:57.27 | dutchfish | enouf, no, its in xen latest |
| 22:57.30 | enouf | !dbugs 509589 |
| 22:57.35 | dpkg | DONE:#509589:N[nagios-plugins-basic] check_ntp: wrong output for host with both A and AAAA record (upstream); Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:42:02 UTC [] |
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| 22:58.07 | dutchfish | enouf, ill try to write a patch |
| 22:58.12 | enouf | dutchfish: did you fix it? if so -- cool ;-) congrats! |
| 22:58.18 | enouf | !congratulate dutchfish |
| 22:58.19 | dpkg | Woohoo dutchfish, you did it! |
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| 22:58.35 | dutchfish | enouf, not yet, hold your horses ;) but ill try |
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| 22:58.59 | enouf | ok ok ... holding :-p |
| 22:59.03 | enouf | !discongratulate dutchfish |
| 22:59.07 | dutchfish | enouf, its pretty easy code |
| 22:59.17 | dutchfish | lol |
| 22:59.19 | enouf | dutchfish: that's cool ... |
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| 22:59.22 | zak_ | anuone installed linux on macbook? |
| 22:59.30 | enouf | zak_: many/some? |
| 22:59.34 | zak_ | got pb with microphone :( |
| 22:59.36 | enouf | !macbook |
| 22:59.36 | dpkg | hmm... macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. See also <laptop>. |
| 22:59.51 | zak_ | !laptop |
| 22:59.51 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:00.00 | enouf | zak_: might checkout tuxmobile.org too? or ... |
| 23:00.04 | abrotman | or msg the bot |
| 23:00.13 | enouf | aye |
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| 23:01.41 | bluethundr_ | does anyone know how to configure flex? |
| 23:01.44 | bluethundr_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7688975#post7688975 |
| 23:03.08 | bluethundr_ | I looked in /etc and did not see a config file |
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| 23:04.58 | abrotman | bluethundr_: 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' ... says what ? |
| 23:05.18 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: k I will try this thanks |
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| 23:06.02 | P4 | Hi |
| 23:06.26 | bluethundr_ | http://beezag.pastebin.com/d3e6d39e4 |
| 23:07.04 | abrotman | bluethundr_: and Adobe has no documentation on this ? |
| 23:07.25 | bluethundr_ | a bit.. doesn't make sense to me yet |
| 23:07.40 | P4 | http://pastebin.com/m2743c3bc â what am i doing wrong so rdate doesn't update the time? |
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| 23:08.04 | bluethundr_ | ah this seems interesting |
| 23:08.07 | XeNiX | Hello i can install the last debian on my remote box ? |
| 23:08.10 | bluethundr_ | I'll give this a go! |
| 23:08.36 | XeNiX | i have Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l , i can install debia 5.0.2 remoetly ? |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | !tell XeNiX about etch->lenny |
| 23:09.33 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:09.52 | bluethundr_ | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flexbuilder_linux.html |
| 23:09.55 | P4 | it says: rdate: adjust local clock by -1546.983913 seconds, but the date is still wrong :¦ |
| 23:09.57 | XeNiX | thanks |
| 23:11.09 | bluethundr_ | crap! it's an rpm! :( |
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| 23:11.40 | abrotman | !tell bluethundr_ about alien |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | P4: FWIW .. most people just use ntp |
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| 23:12.04 | abrotman | P4: also check hwclock |
| 23:12.22 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: ;) |
| 23:12.40 | enouf | judd: info rdate --release lenny |
| 23:12.41 | judd | enouf: rdate (net): is optional; Version: 1:1.1.3-2; Size: 15.1k; Installed: 40k -- sets the system's date from a remote host |
| 23:12.50 | themill | abrotman: did you see the proposal on debian-devel the other day to drop ntpdate in favour of using rdate? |
| 23:13.09 | P4 | is rdate older or ntp older? |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | i thought ntpdate had been deprecated like two releases ago |
| 23:13.34 | themill | abrotman: yeah... and wasn't ntpdate developed to get us away from rdate? |
| 23:13.54 | abrotman | themill: switch to chrony! |
| 23:14.08 | stew | if you have iburst enabled, you shouldn't need ntpdate, ntpd should get you there quickly enough |
| 23:14.28 | P4 | you mean that one? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html#s16.4.2 |
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| 23:17.01 | P4 | hwclock -r --debug says "hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory." |
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| 23:19.13 | XeNiX | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:20.40 | P4 | i've just read "Do not configure your system to query level 1 NTP servers! If you think you need to do this, you are almost certainly wrong!" |
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| 23:22.31 | _heniu | hi |
| 23:22.45 | grim | is there a new key for ftp master in testing? i assume this is releated to the dsa weaknesses...? |
| 23:23.08 | enouf | P4: is that Lenny? |
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| 23:23.24 | enouf | P4: ls -l /dev/rtc* |
| 23:23.56 | enouf | grep Real /var/log/dmesg |
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| 23:24.52 | bjk | !secureapt |
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| 23:25.27 | enouf | grep -i rtc /var/log/dmesg |
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| 23:25.45 | P4 | i think that is lenny |
| 23:25.57 | enouf | actually - man they gotta mess with what i used to grep for .... darn them!@ |
| 23:25.59 | P4 | ls: cannot access /dev/rtc*: No such file or directory |
| 23:26.40 | enouf | P4: enable bootlogd /msg dpkg bootlogd (just to get it ready, should you need to reboot) |
| 23:27.05 | enouf | P4: i guess - wait - cat /proc/cmdline |
| 23:27.13 | P4 | root=/dev/hda1 ro 2 |
| 23:27.17 | P4 | what is that? |
| 23:27.21 | P4 | bootlogd? |
| 23:27.21 | enouf | mayne hpet? what CPU is that? see /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg |
| 23:27.32 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 23:27.32 | dpkg | [bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 23:28.00 | enouf | !version |
| 23:28.01 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 23:28.06 | P4 | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ |
| 23:28.10 | enouf | while you |
| 23:28.13 | enouf | 're at it |
| 23:28.16 | themill | dpkg: tell grim about new archive key |
| 23:28.26 | P4 | enouf: what to look in dmesg? |
| 23:28.31 | _heniu | could anyybody help me with simple grep - i need to get all content of file between <htm> and </html> |
| 23:28.36 | P4 | i got some game server messages |
| 23:28.38 | P4 | in tail |
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| 23:28.46 | P4 | armagetronad-de[9502] trap stack segment rip:2b132db2171c rsp:7fff7e39bf40 error:0 |
| 23:28.48 | enouf | cpu is ok |
| 23:29.40 | enouf | _heniu: try #bash or #sed and don't use grep for that |
| 23:29.55 | enouf | or .. see the xml2 pkg perhaps and html2 |
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| 23:31.42 | grim | themill: thanks |
| 23:31.51 | _heniu | enouf: yep sed is better way to go ;) thanks |
| 23:31.53 | themill | np |
| 23:31.57 | P4 | trying to get ntp and stuff, apt says: Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.4p6+dfsg-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 195.71.68.86 80] |
| 23:32.03 | P4 | do i use wrong source? |
| 23:32.15 | P4 | problems problems problems, and it's not even the beginning :þ |
| 23:32.22 | themill | judd versions ntp |
| 23:32.23 | judd | themill: ntp -- etch: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch1 etch-security: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch3 lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8 lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny2 sid: 1:4.2.4p6+dfsg-2 squeeze: 1:4.2.4p6+dfsg-2 |
| 23:32.28 | themill | P4: apt-get update first. |
| 23:32.32 | P4 | i've just did it |
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| 23:32.53 | P4 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 23:32.58 | P4 | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 23:33.17 | P4 | does it mean somebody hacked the checksums? |
| 23:33.19 | P4 | :þ |
| 23:33.28 | abrotman | or a bad mirror sync |
| 23:33.48 | themill | P4: or the mirror is being updated or you have a proxy that's serving you stale content |
| 23:34.01 | P4 | d'h |
| 23:34.17 | P4 | i guess apt's proxy is set somewhere in the configs |
| 23:34.23 | P4 | or in the ENV⦠|
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| 23:36.58 | P4 | is there any "easy" way to just force the thing working? |
| 23:37.12 | XeNiX | * Loading IRCd configuration .. |
| 23:37.13 | XeNiX | * Configuration loaded without any problems .. |
| 23:37.13 | XeNiX | * Dynamic configuration initialized .. booting IRCd. |
| 23:37.13 | XeNiX | --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 23:37.13 | XeNiX | Possible error encountered (IRCd seemily not started) |
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| 23:37.32 | XeNiX | can anyone help me to install ircd :s |
| 23:38.16 | bzed | XeNiX: if you're asking that question you don't want to run an irc server. definitely not. |
| 23:38.17 | themill | P4: try again or try a differen tmirror |
| 23:38.45 | XeNiX | bzed: i want to increase the limits , i upgraded to debian 5 now |
| 23:38.45 | P4 | updated, still wrong hash |
| 23:39.00 | XeNiX | bzed: i have this error when starting and nothing on logs :s |
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| 23:39.46 | jpinx-eeepc | is there any way to get a package called mgp from squeeze into lenny - it doesn't appear to be backported by backports.org - unless there's more backports available elsewhere? |
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| 23:40.43 | P4 | themill: changed the source and still have "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch" |
| 23:40.56 | P4 | i'll try once another |
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| 23:41.21 | P4 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 23:41.41 | enouf | _heniu: ;-) |
| 23:41.42 | bcolenj | i am trying to get a usb sound card to work with lenny, most of the alsa information i have found is old, i have alsa-base installed, when i plug the card in, i get 2 usb messages and that is it, is there an updated sound howto somewhere? |
| 23:42.18 | enouf | hrm ... no, it actually has been pushed into automagic land |
| 23:42.31 | P4 | enouf: are you that eleonor something something from the p.r.aa? |
| 23:42.55 | bzed | bcolenj: don't the sound devices just show up in alsa-aware programs? |
| 23:43.03 | bzed | bcolenj: like a mixer gui? |
| 23:43.09 | enouf | bcolenj: pastebin output of lsusb -v (run update-usbids and update-pciids prior) |
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| 23:43.11 | themill | cd /tmp |
| 23:43.16 | themill | gah |
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| 23:43.28 | bcolenj | cat /proc/asound/cards says no soundcards |
| 23:43.44 | grim | themill: i'm not sure that helped, i have the key installed to apt-key, but it's still complaining about a bad signature on the Release file |
| 23:43.46 | enouf | P4: who? huh? i'm male. so i guess not ;-) |
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| 23:44.38 | P4 | yay! japan mirror just works |
| 23:44.40 | enouf | bcolenj: tried /etc/init.d/alsa restart ? after inserting card? |
| 23:44.47 | enouf | bcolenj: pgrep udevd |
| 23:45.26 | P4 | enouf: yes, i've mispelled the name, he's nickname is strange⦠don't you paint the ascii arts? |
| 23:45.35 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions mgp |
| 23:45.35 | P4 | on pl.rec.ascii-art? (: |
| 23:45.36 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: mgp -- etch: 1.11b-7 sid: 1.13a+upstream20090219-1 squeeze: 1.13a+upstream20090219-1 |
| 23:46.05 | bcolenj | enouf: im doing lsusb now |
| 23:46.15 | jpinx-eeepc | how can a package be in etch and squeeze -- but not in lenny? |
| 23:46.29 | enouf | P4: still., no i'm not |
| 23:46.43 | P4 | but on 2nd update i've got W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex MD5Sum mismatch again⦠|
| 23:46.49 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: if it was a buggy PoS at the time lenny was released it will have been removed from testing prior to the release |
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| 23:47.20 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: ok - so how do I get it into backports? |
| 23:47.41 | bcolenj | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/42799/ |
| 23:47.45 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: first, try making your own backport and see if it works ok. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:48.13 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: ok -- it's ssb again :-/ |
| 23:48.14 | ranix | protip: you can perform a squeeze backport with s/sid/squeeze/ |
| 23:48.18 | P4 | what would that mean, if i've got this hashsum problem on second apt-get update? |
| 23:48.23 | P4 | the proxy thing? |
| 23:48.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: how does that work? |
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| 23:48.57 | P4 | the system is a VM in german datacenter, maybe here's the problem? |
| 23:48.58 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: add your deb-src line for squeeze instead of sid |
| 23:49.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: that simple? cool :) |
| 23:49.17 | ranix | ;) |
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| 23:49.26 | ranix | that's the magic of the apt repository system |
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| 23:50.28 | enouf | themill: does judd do usbids too? |
| 23:51.12 | themill | P4: there are lots of bad mirror syncs on the mirror status page at the moment.... http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 23:52.04 | themill | enouf: no. usb device matching is much more complex (it mainly uses the device class and then a generic driver for that class). Maybe one day.... |
| 23:52.05 | enouf | $ grep 041e /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.usbmap | grep 3f04 |
| 23:52.06 | enouf | snd-usb-audio 0x0003 0x041e 0x3f04 0x0000 0x0000 0x00 0x00 0x00 |
| 23:52.56 | enouf | themill: quite - just thought perhaps - that moght work? |
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| 23:55.45 | enouf | bcolenj: lsmod | grep snd ; pgrep udevd |
| 23:57.19 | bcolenj | enouf: pgrep udevd says 1080 |
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| 23:58.32 | enouf | bcolenj: ok, good ...and? |
| 23:58.40 | bcolenj | enouf: i have no line in my modules.usbmap for the device though, there is one for snd-usb audio with the 0x041e vendor but the product is different |
| 23:59.35 | enouf | i mean where's lsmod | grep snd ? |
| 23:59.48 | enouf | bcolenj: and uname -r |
