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| 00:00.14 | bcolenj | enouf: theres snd, snd_pcm, snd_seq, snd_usb_lib and others, no snd_usb_audio |
| 00:00.14 | bcolenj | enouf: 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 00:00.54 | enouf | bcolenj: upgrade the kernel (msg dpkg bpo) - or your system to Lenny |
| 00:01.01 | enouf | erm /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:01.14 | themill | that's an out of date kernel in any case |
| 00:01.25 | enouf | bcolenj: E-MU prolly wants snd-emu10k1 |
| 00:01.37 | enouf | indeed |
| 00:01.59 | enouf | bcolenj: if dist-upgrade is option ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 00:03.27 | kenjy_ | how can I take a picture of my webcam across the CLI? Im trying with mplayer but it require to press S when I use the -vf screenshot options |
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| 00:03.43 | enouf | themill: from what you know about how usbids work, etc, does what i used seem to be pretty ok? I mean, i'm asking your opinion if you think it can be semi-relied upon to give back apropo info? i have no usb devices here to test really |
| 00:03.57 | enouf | apropos |
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| 00:04.39 | enouf | kenjy_: use a stick? :-P |
| 00:04.41 | enouf | runs |
| 00:04.42 | themill | enouf: from my brief look at these things a while ago, it's useful for non-HID and non-storage devices |
| 00:04.49 | kenjy_ | enouf: a stick? |
| 00:05.00 | bcolenj | enouf: thanks, i thought i had lenny, my sources say lenny, guess the kernel was just old |
| 00:05.01 | enouf | kenjy_: to reach across the room and hit S |
| 00:05.13 | enouf | themill: i see - thanks |
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| 00:05.35 | enouf | kenjy_: tried #mplayer? |
| 00:05.36 | kenjy_ | enouf I wanna create a boot script who takes pictures of the webcam whe its booted |
| 00:05.51 | themill | enouf: and probably non-something-or-other-else devices.... there seems to be a great many exceptions |
| 00:05.55 | kenjy_ | enouf well the issue its not of mplayer, Im trying with it because it have the screenshot option |
| 00:06.14 | enouf | kenjy_: then i completely misunderstand |
| 00:06.27 | ranix | Hey guys, is there an MSN client for Linux that supports drawing with a tablet to your friends like the official MSN does? |
| 00:06.33 | kenjy_ | enouf: I wanna take a picture from my webcam in the CLI |
| 00:06.36 | P4 | http://pastebin.com/m6d1fb937 â it still doesn't work with ntp :¦ |
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| 00:06.40 | askvictor | is there a way to remove encryption on a LUKS encrypted volume without a backup/restore cycle? Or rather just have it decrypt on the fly without entering a password? |
| 00:06.42 | kenjy_ | ranix: amsn |
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| 00:07.00 | enouf | kenjy_: sorry - i do not understand what you want - really ... hopefully someone else will chime in |
| 00:07.08 | ranix | thanks kenjy_ |
| 00:07.11 | enouf | kenjy_: i'm not good with those "gadgets" anyway |
| 00:07.54 | kenjy_ | okay so no way to take a picture from a webcam? |
| 00:08.04 | ranix | it is time for my girlfriend to have Linux |
| 00:08.10 | enouf | P4: ntpd was mentioned and ntpdate is outdated |
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| 00:08.11 | ranix | there is no substitution or alternative |
| 00:08.15 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 00:08.15 | dpkg | i heard ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
| 00:08.20 | ranix | I am tired of her computers getting fucked every few months |
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| 00:08.28 | abrotman | ranix: stop using them .. jeez |
| 00:08.29 | P4 | oh i see |
| 00:08.36 | P4 | so i've missed ntpd message |
| 00:09.15 | enouf | themill: abrotman stew should it be "s/ask me about ntp/ask me about <ntp>/" ? |
| 00:09.27 | P4 | will i need reboot to update the clock? |
| 00:09.31 | paissad-hp | hi all |
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| 00:09.42 | paissad-hp | how is it possible to know the tree of a deb package ? |
| 00:09.49 | enouf | P4: i really think you want to have a /dev/rtc* though ;-) |
| 00:10.00 | P4 | why i don't have it? |
| 00:10.06 | P4 | how to initiliaze that device? |
| 00:10.10 | abrotman | enouf: are you asking me to change it ? |
| 00:10.17 | enouf | P4: /proc/cmdline ; i was looking for hpet boot option perhaps |
| 00:10.23 | enouf | abrotman: no |
| 00:10.33 | enouf | i can muck it all up myself! |
| 00:10.33 | P4 | joy:~# cat /proc/cmdline |
| 00:10.33 | P4 | root=/dev/hda1 ro 2 |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | oh .. yes it probably should be |
| 00:10.38 | abrotman | <ntp> |
| 00:10.43 | enouf | then you can yell at me ;-) |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | just does it |
| 00:10.54 | enouf | P4: right - i saw that - just 'splainin |
| 00:11.05 | enouf | !cookie abrotman |
| 00:11.07 | dpkg | Hey enouf, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! dkr=2007-02-15 Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or stew |
| 00:11.07 | dpkg | 1-15 |
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| 00:11.16 | enouf | wtf? |
| 00:11.26 | mischief | hmm |
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| 00:11.41 | P4 | so you mean to add hpet option after the root=/dev/hda1 ro 2, and restart the system, right? |
| 00:11.43 | mischief | anyone know why my package list would suddenly go from however many are in the debian repo to 5? |
| 00:11.46 | bcolenj | enouf: kernel update worked, it shows up in /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:11.50 | P4 | maybe restarting can be ommited? |
| 00:12.11 | abrotman | yay done |
| 00:12.13 | enouf | P4: well ,, nt sure - see, there was a bug about that at one time - not sure if ~ 2.6.26 or so |
| 00:12.21 | enouf | wait |
| 00:12.49 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=475959 P4 |
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| 00:13.05 | mischief | aptitude is showing this - http://paste.debian.net/42800/ |
| 00:13.09 | mischief | i don't get it :\ |
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| 00:14.12 | enouf | P4: also http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11580 |
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| 00:14.50 | P4 | i use 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 :¦ |
| 00:15.05 | P4 | is CONFIG_HPET_EMULATE_RTC=y the kernel's configure option? |
| 00:15.19 | themill | mischief: did you fiddle with your sources.list recently? |
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| 00:15.32 | mischief | themill, no. |
| 00:15.33 | mischief | :\ |
| 00:15.57 | gnusosa | Hi guys, just a random question? |
| 00:16.10 | gnusosa | What |
| 00:16.21 | gnusosa | is the difference between kaltura and Red5? |
| 00:16.33 | themill | mischief: there are lots of funky mirror problems tonight.... come back tomorrow and try again :( |
| 00:17.20 | enouf | P4: oh brotha' |
| 00:17.42 | enouf | P4: yes, it is - the oh brotha was for older -xen and old kernels |
| 00:18.25 | enouf | P4: grep <something> /boot/config-`uname -r` (however, your Xen instance might not be what `uname -r` spits back |
| 00:19.17 | enouf | P4: google for bugs related to that kernel |
| 00:19.31 | P4 | bugs? :| |
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| 00:19.45 | enouf | P4: and, i wouldn't know if xen's dom0 or domU would need a /dev/rtc |
| 00:20.29 | P4 | i cannot believe ther is no program working that bbug around, any wrapper for date command so it mixes the ntpq -p times? |
| 00:20.34 | khaije|amalt | my system is hanging on shutdown, is there a way to have it log the output of sudo shutdown to console for the whole time it's shutting down? |
| 00:20.46 | P4 | anything, i just cannot believe i need to mess up the kernel things just to set a clock |
| 00:20.55 | enouf | khaije|amalt: you'd need to attach a serial console or ssh in |
| 00:21.13 | enouf | P4: was it always like that? |
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| 00:21.25 | enouf | P4: you certainly didn't just install Etch |
| 00:21.38 | enouf | .. or ... uh oh .. don't tell me |
| 00:21.43 | P4 | no, i think one of our server techs jsut upgraded the distro some time ago |
| 00:21.57 | P4 | i'm not really sure, i'm trying to fix things after somebody else |
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| 00:22.13 | P4 | if 'after' is a proper word, sine my english sucks |
| 00:22.26 | enouf | well - i know xen support has been tough road .. to get newer kernels to fully support dom0 and such |
| 00:22.41 | enouf | or something .. so that version has been around a while |
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| 00:23.28 | P4 | i'll try to convince other techs so we upgrade the kernel. |
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| 00:24.36 | enouf | P4: i'm nt certain not having a /dev/rtc is the issue .. so carefully move forward |
| 00:24.51 | jmoncayo | hey guys, how can i create a ssh tunnel to forward conections to port 80 in localhost to port 10000 in localhost? |
| 00:25.13 | enouf | P4: yes "after" is a word ;-) |
| 00:25.24 | enouf | and you used it correctly P4 |
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| 00:25.52 | enouf | jmoncayo: man ssh and sshd |
| 00:26.11 | P4 | i wish polish, my native language is as common as english (: /having a break afk with cigarets/ |
| 00:26.13 | enouf | jmoncayo: see debian.administration.org - it's straight forward -- IIRC, use -L and others |
| 00:26.33 | enouf | jmoncayo: wait, you want to loop it? |
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| 00:26.46 | enouf | !smoke P4 |
| 00:26.49 | enouf | :-p |
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| 00:27.45 | jmoncayo | enouf: i have a firewall that wont let me connect to port 10000 but i am able to connect to port 80, so i thought maybe ssh tunnels would help |
| 00:28.14 | enouf | jmoncayo: you might want to google 'yescat netcat', see 'cable' and 'hub' in this article; http://tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue74/zhaoway.html |
| 00:28.19 | jayeola | dpkg-reconfigure console-common or console-data does not seem to want to load a british keyboard. is there a work around? /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty |
| 00:28.35 | jmoncayo | thanks |
| 00:28.39 | enouf | jmoncayo: but, they're old now, and deprecated, but somethjing must've replaced them |
| 00:29.01 | enouf | jayeola: setxkbmap <CC> |
| 00:29.12 | enouf | oh crap .. |
| 00:29.28 | enouf | jayeola: those d-r are for Console, not X |
| 00:29.31 | enouf | !locales |
| 00:29.32 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors> |
| 00:29.38 | enouf | shit |
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| 00:29.44 | jayeola | tried that too. no joy. |
| 00:29.55 | enouf | !listvals dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 00:29.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' by value (3): drcd ;; keymap ;; kbdconfig. |
| 00:30.02 | enouf | !keymap |
| 00:30.03 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 00:30.05 | enouf | duh |
| 00:30.22 | jayeola | grrr - look at my original statement ;-) |
| 00:30.28 | enouf | jayeola: you too! |
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| 00:30.51 | enouf | jayeola: the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty" is irrelevant IF you meant for Console |
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| 00:31.00 | jayeola | throws a pound coin @ enouf |
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| 00:31.06 | enouf | jayeola: loadkeys |
| 00:31.50 | enouf | jayeola: oh try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup too (install it) |
| 00:32.16 | enouf | you still haven't mentioned if for Console --or-- for X |
| 00:32.32 | jayeola | just to be clear, keys are fine in a VT but are horridly american within X |
| 00:32.43 | enouf | jayeola: then .. ffs! |
| 00:32.51 | enouf | setxkbmap <CC> |
| 00:33.10 | enouf | jayeola: VT == Console , if you want to use that terminology |
| 00:33.34 | jayeola | throws some chips @ enouf ;-) |
| 00:33.42 | enouf | and xterminal-emulators would == VVT .. for Virtualized Virtual Terminal :-P |
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| 00:34.22 | enouf | nomnomnomnomnomn |
| 00:34.49 | enouf | wait .. where's my Fish? |
| 00:34.55 | bluethundr_ | almost there.. almost have flex configged |
| 00:34.58 | bluethundr_ | pls look |
| 00:34.59 | bluethundr_ | http://beezag.pastebin.com/d6aabf9ec |
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| 00:39.19 | unomystEz | where do I change the hostname? |
| 00:39.34 | jayeola | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.45 | unomystEz | or /etc/hostname? or perhaps `hostname myhost` in /etc/rc.local? |
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| 00:40.12 | bluethundr_ | unomystEz: man hostname |
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| 00:40.40 | Max-Headroom | hello |
| 00:40.49 | unomystEz | it seems that it's being set my dhclient |
| 00:41.03 | bluethundr_ | hostname whatyouwant |
| 00:41.12 | Pillz | are all the repos enabled by default? |
| 00:41.14 | unomystEz | yeah but where is the proper place to put it |
| 00:41.18 | unomystEz | for when the system reboots |
| 00:41.41 | unomystEz | freebsd it goes in /etc/rc.conf, other linux distros use /etc/hostname |
| 00:41.56 | bluethundr_ | yep /etc/hostname |
| 00:42.04 | unomystEz | ok |
| 00:42.14 | enouf | use 'hostname' |
| 00:42.17 | enouf | !hostname |
| 00:42.17 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 00:42.36 | unomystEz | thanks |
| 00:42.54 | bluethundr_ | echo $JAVA_HOME /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.17 |
| 00:42.54 | bluethundr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.08 | bluethundr_ | why is flex telling me I have no java in my path? |
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| 00:43.46 | bluethundr_ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.17:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 00:43.49 | ranix | looks like AMSN inkdraw doesn't actually work |
| 00:44.08 | bluethundr_ | that be my root path 8( |
| 00:44.34 | unomystEz | and should it generally point to 127.0.0.1 or to my external IP? |
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| 00:44.41 | unomystEz | `hostname` that is |
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| 00:45.14 | bluethundr_ | also my CEO foolishly states that we will scale to 10,000,000 users when we swtich away from debian to WINDOWS i kid you not!! |
| 00:45.30 | jayeola | mwahahahaha |
| 00:45.31 | themill | bluethundr_: the java executable isn't in $JAVA_HOME. You shouldn't need to set JAVA_HOME anyway, just run update-java-alternatives to set the java implementation you want |
| 00:45.33 | unomystEz | lol |
| 00:45.38 | unomystEz | good luck with that |
| 00:45.46 | zinx | bluethundr_: he gets paid more than you, so he's obviously right. |
| 00:45.55 | unomystEz | he also may have an MBA |
| 00:45.57 | unomystEz | O.o |
| 00:46.00 | bluethundr_ | heh yes he is a trust fund baby |
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| 00:46.11 | jayeola | trustafarian |
| 00:46.16 | bluethundr_ | haha yup! |
| 00:46.24 | bluethundr_ | themill: thanks! |
| 00:47.27 | ajavid | hi guys |
| 00:48.51 | ranix | judd: versions amsn |
| 00:48.51 | judd | ranix: amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3 lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1 sid: 0.97.2~debian-3 squeeze: 0.97.2~debian-3 |
| 00:49.17 | ranix | well shite |
| 00:49.34 | ranix | MSN ink messages are the only thing keeping my girl using windows |
| 00:49.39 | ranix | ah well |
| 00:49.42 | ranix | fuckit |
| 00:52.02 | Pillz | I guess if searching for an app on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages turns up nothing, it isnt there? |
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| 00:52.17 | ranix | Pillz: apt-cache search <package> |
| 00:52.22 | ranix | or ask judd |
| 00:52.26 | enouf | Pillz: try p.d.o |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | ranix: wine ? |
| 00:52.39 | Pillz | p.d.o and jude? |
| 00:52.44 | Pillz | *judd |
| 00:52.46 | ranix | abrotman: unsupported, Windows Live Messenger is specifically crafted to break wine |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 00:53.12 | ranix | btw fuck microsoft, and fuck Linus Torvalds |
| 00:53.14 | ranix | pouts. |
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| 00:54.10 | bluethundr_ | getting close. please have another look |
| 00:54.11 | bluethundr_ | http://beezag.pastebin.com/d49330f34 |
| 00:55.43 | bluethundr_ | plz don't help my lame ass CEO think he's right about Linux.. the devs in india hate that I use debian! :) |
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| 00:56.23 | bluethundr_ | brain hurts |
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| 00:57.54 | ranix | bluethundr_: apt-cache search jvm? |
| 00:58.13 | bluethundr_ | ranix: thanks I'll look |
| 00:58.30 | ranix | oh wait a sec |
| 00:58.33 | ranix | java is non-free |
| 00:58.53 | ranix | do you have non-free in your repository list in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:59.03 | ranix | !java |
| 00:59.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:59.20 | ranix | ah, openjdk is free |
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| 01:02.59 | enouf | update-java-alternatives ? |
| 01:03.15 | enouf | do /msg dpkg non-free ? |
| 01:03.29 | enouf | Pillz: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 01:03.41 | Pillz | okay |
| 01:03.42 | Pillz | thanks |
| 01:04.11 | bluethundr_ | murgle murgle murlgle |
| 01:04.12 | bluethundr_ | http://beezag.pastebin.com/d2853d961 |
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| 01:05.03 | Lambda3 | I'm trying to get my wireless driver working, intel wireless 5100, and I downloaded the package from this website: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download/compat-wireless-old and WHen I enter in "make" it looks in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build but it says there is no such file or directory. Any suggestions on what I should do? |
| 01:05.13 | bluethundr_ | I tried installing a jvm called groovy (that was it's name) :| |
| 01:06.04 | bluethundr_ | I also installed python-all |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | !tell Lambda3 about bpo |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | groovy isn't a jre/jvm |
| 01:06.48 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: oh ok I will try kaffe |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | bluethundr_: what's wrong with the sun one or the icedtea ? |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | i mean .. you're already using non-free crap from adobe .. why not non-free crap from sun ? |
| 01:07.38 | enouf | Lambda3: install build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 01:07.56 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: well I tried aptitude install sun-java5-bin |
| 01:08.04 | enouf | Lambda3: the -headers- pkg generates the /build symlink |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | enouf: he's on -1- .. the headers won't exist |
| 01:08.11 | enouf | oh? |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | and the 5100 is already in the .27 and up IIRC |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | bluethundr_: and what ? |
| 01:08.26 | enouf | abrotman: i missed your comments? |
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| 01:08.36 | abrotman | enouf: i just told him about bpo .. |
| 01:08.36 | enouf | abrotman: i'm not the one with the issue! |
| 01:08.42 | enouf | runs |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | enouf: i hadn't gotten back to him yet |
| 01:08.44 | enouf | oh |
| 01:08.54 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: oh let me try this /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.17 |
| 01:09.12 | enouf | stupid me -- i just switched from BonW to WonB |
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| 01:09.23 | enouf | my eyes are still adjusting |
| 01:09.26 | bluethundr_ | added that to the end of my path for root. .nope! |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | bluethundr_: that's not really how you do it .. |
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| 01:09.48 | enouf | B/W -> W/B fg/bg |
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| 01:09.59 | abrotman | welcome to the 90s |
| 01:10.01 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: ok can you enlighten, plz? |
| 01:10.10 | enouf | abrotman: and Monochrome? |
| 01:10.15 | M06w | how do I open a file as root without having to do it through terminal? |
| 01:10.17 | bluethundr_ | flex installer seems to want to find the jvm on my path |
| 01:10.22 | abrotman | bluethundr_: i have no idea what you think you're doing .. but have you actually checked to see which java is setup ? |
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| 01:10.57 | jpinx-eeepc | M06w: depends on which desktop you're using |
| 01:10.57 | Lambda3 | M06w: nautilus |
| 01:11.08 | bluethundr_ | echo $JAVA_HOME /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.17 |
| 01:11.12 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 01:11.31 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: ok |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | Lambda3: at backports.org . there is a 2.6.30 kernel that should have your drivers already in it (you'll need a firmware package too i believe |
| 01:11.46 | abrotman | !ipw5100 |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | grr |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | !iwl5100 |
| 01:11.59 | dpkg | iwlagn is, like, the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 01:12.06 | enouf | heh |
| 01:12.23 | enouf | Lambda3: we fix you ;-) |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | and who will fix you? |
| 01:12.47 | bluethundr_ | java version "1.5.0" |
| 01:12.52 | enouf | M06w: you could use gksu/gksudo or kdsu/kdsudo |
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| 01:13.09 | abrotman | bluethundr_: where did you get that ? |
| 01:13.19 | bluethundr_ | java -version |
| 01:13.21 | M06w | it appears I'm using nautilus |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | did you install the jre or jdk ? |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | and which does it want ? |
| 01:13.49 | enouf | M06w: or .. wait ... what WM? click your menus, look for 'root shell' under xterms areas |
| 01:14.04 | enouf | there - then gksu/gksudo |
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| 01:14.18 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: I asked what desktop he's using, but no answer |
| 01:14.34 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: ok - i still can't see correctlt |
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| 01:14.59 | abrotman | enouf: maybe you should try black on silver? :) |
| 01:15.18 | Lambda3 | abrotman: would this be the right command: apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g') firmware-iwlwifi wireless-tools |
| 01:15.27 | subsume | I am using useradd but its not creating a directory.... what gives? |
| 01:15.37 | bluethundr_ | sun-java5-jre is already installed |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | Lambda3: seems .. uh reasonable |
| 01:16.00 | M06w | enouf, I have no idea what that means but I think I'll be fine with the terminal |
| 01:16.06 | abrotman | Lambda3: i don't know all the package names .. but seems like it might work |
| 01:16.17 | Lambda3 | lol that's what the wiki linked to by dpkg said |
| 01:16.21 | Lambda3 | to type in |
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| 01:17.18 | iluminator101 | Question:How do I rollback to an older version of a program from commandline? |
| 01:17.56 | bluethundr_ | locate jre turns up nada |
| 01:18.00 | bluethundr_ | :( |
| 01:18.01 | jpinx-eeepc | iluminator101: no easy - try purging and re-installing the older version |
| 01:18.06 | Ezep | nada = nothing |
| 01:18.10 | bluethundr_ | yes |
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| 01:20.29 | unomystEz | relatively new to debian here.. mod_wsgi 2.3 is in aptitude, looking to install 2.5.. any idea where I can start looking? |
| 01:21.17 | bluethundr_ | ok sun jvm is CLEARLY installed |
| 01:21.18 | bluethundr_ | http://beezag.pastebin.com/d1a13a631 |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | judd: versions libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 01:21.26 | bluethundr_ | why on earth does flex think it's not? |
| 01:21.26 | judd | abrotman: libapache2-mod-wsgi -- etch-backports: 2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.3-1 lenny-backports: 2.5-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.5-1 squeeze: 2.5-1 |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | !tell unomystEz about bpo |
| 01:21.45 | iluminator101 | I get this error saying Dbus failed to connect, i want to roll back to older version of DBUS |
| 01:22.20 | unomystEz | awesome |
| 01:22.22 | unomystEz | thanks |
| 01:22.32 | unomystEz | just add that line? |
| 01:22.39 | unomystEz | ez enuff |
| 01:22.41 | abrotman | unomystEz: there are instructions at the website |
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| 01:23.52 | iluminator101 | here is full error http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d1d06afaf |
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| 01:25.32 | bluethundr_ | guh |
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| 01:28.56 | rektide | newgrp keeps telling me "Invalid password."; i dont know what password its asking for |
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| 01:29.50 | rektide | i tried gpasswd -r adm to remove the admin group password |
| 01:30.07 | rgr | bit of an emergency here. had to swap out a video card. nvidia. ran m-a a-i nvidia, but getting "no screens found". using emacs from full screen here to communicate and have no web. Whats next step to try and get the damn nvidai drivers working again? |
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| 01:30.17 | rektide | but still, "newgrp adm" prompts me for some password... what i dont know. its not root and its not my user password. |
| 01:30.26 | castingcrowns | has anyone heard of DR-DOS? |
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| 01:31.57 | rektide | is there some way to use secondary groups without setting a group password? :( :( |
| 01:32.10 | rektide | i dont want to have to keep chgrp'ing everything i make |
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| 01:32.22 | abrotman | castingcrowns: sure .. but what does that have to do with Debian ? |
| 01:32.32 | bluethundr_ | omfg why can't nething be easy EVAR!!!!!! |
| 01:32.33 | bluethundr_ | http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/dsichelp/ds8000ic/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.storage.ssic.help.doc/f2c_clijavaerror_2lfq3j.html |
| 01:32.54 | bluethundr_ | I've totally done the exporting the path thing by the way |
| 01:33.05 | bluethundr_ | sighs |
| 01:33.12 | castingcrowns | abrotman: nothing, but I know the people in this debian channel are usually very smart with Linux, and wanted to know if linux can mount or format for dr-doss |
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| 01:33.44 | bluethundr_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Z_zU0lvV0 |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | castingcrowns: probably .. it probably is capable of using fat16 |
| 01:33.52 | abrotman | bluethundr_: please don't spam junk here |
| 01:34.04 | bluethundr_ | sorry |
| 01:34.24 | jpinx-eeepc | castingcrowns: man mkfs |
| 01:34.49 | jpinx-eeepc | castingcrowns: there's references in there to the various vfat filesystems |
| 01:35.09 | castingcrowns | abrotman: I have a cnc machine at work, that runs windows 31 and it had DRdoss on it. Our maint dept messed up the drive. I wanted to show them up by repairing it with Linux, lol. Power to linux. |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | good luck! |
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| 01:36.06 | castingcrowns | jpinx-eeepc: man mkfs, thanks. Ill check that out. |
| 01:36.07 | jpinx-eeepc | castingcrowns: man dosfsck - it does |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | mkfs is a bad thing if you're trying to fix it |
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| 01:37.14 | jpinx-eeepc | castingcrowns: you might be able to repair it - expect several passes with dosfsck, failing that remake the fs with mkfs |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | he didn't say what was wrong with it |
| 01:37.38 | jpinx-eeepc | "messed up" |
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| 01:38.40 | castingcrowns | well actually, they connected it to a XP computer with a IDE to usb adapter, and I think the whole filesystem got all corupted. |
| 01:39.30 | jpinx-eeepc | castingcrowns: either way - it's not really a debian problem - but I've pointed out where to start looking |
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| 01:40.34 | exn | anybody knows how to run firefox with another user privileges ? |
| 01:40.35 | castingcrowns | yeah. thanks a bunch. at least im going io the right direction. now |
| 01:41.05 | exn | from another user, or sudo.. |
| 01:41.12 | exn | no root |
| 01:41.55 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: su the other use and run it |
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| 01:42.24 | exn | jpinx-eeepc, do you tried it ? |
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| 01:42.31 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: yes |
| 01:42.58 | exn | jpinx-eeepc, and how resolve problems with access to X server ? |
| 01:43.20 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: what problem |
| 01:43.54 | exn | heh,, it means you did not tried |
| 01:44.14 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: I had no problem |
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| 01:45.04 | bluethundr_ | ok I installed kaffe and set that to the end of my root path |
| 01:45.07 | bluethundr_ | no love :( |
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| 01:46.05 | exn | No protocol specified |
| 01:46.05 | exn | Error: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 01:46.28 | oh_noes | when you do netstat -anp ... how do you determine which IP:PORT actually started the connection? |
| 01:47.01 | EagleScreen | exn: $ man sudo |
| 01:47.05 | bluethundr_ | ok I tried installing tomcat5.5 no love no jvm on my root path |
| 01:47.10 | oh_noes | I can see local address of 127.0.0.1:50136 and remote of 127.0.0.1:17630 in a TIME_WAIT |
| 01:47.34 | exn | EagleScreen , and |
| 01:47.35 | exn | ? |
| 01:47.42 | EagleScreen | and lets read! |
| 01:47.44 | oh_noes | did the pid of 50136 try to communicate to 17630? |
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| 01:48.05 | exn | EagleScreen show me where there is anything about X |
| 01:48.56 | EagleScreen | exn: sudo -u username command |
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| 01:48.56 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: I have no idea why a different user can not use X on your system |
| 01:48.56 | exn | this X runned by other (primary) user |
| 01:49.05 | exn | and I want to use this display from another user |
| 01:49.09 | exn | for draw ff |
| 01:49.20 | EagleScreen | exn: are you using kdm? |
| 01:49.21 | bluethundr_ | teeth hurt |
| 01:49.25 | exn | gdm |
| 01:49.35 | EagleScreen | no idea about gdm |
| 01:49.56 | exn | heh |
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| 01:50.31 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: X is normally available to all users |
| 01:50.55 | exn | Error: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 01:51.03 | exn | it means no |
| 01:51.15 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: that's the error - what's the command? |
| 01:51.35 | exn | jpinx-eeepc firefox |
| 01:52.05 | jpinx-eeepc | exn man firefox |
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| 01:52.39 | Akuw | i can't see videos on this site http://www.time2online.de/joomla-extensions |
| 01:52.46 | Akuw | i can see youtube videos |
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| 01:52.59 | exn | jpinx-eeepc, and ? |
| 01:53.09 | stew | Akuw: get someone to upload the videos from that site to youtube for you :P |
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| 01:53.17 | McManiaC | hey, any idea what happened here? what i can do http://ix.io/69 |
| 01:53.20 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: read and learn |
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| 01:53.44 | bluethundr_ | please I am struggling to get this url to work any help would be appreciated |
| 01:53.45 | bluethundr_ | http://analytics.beezag.com/playerProductInstall.swf |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | McManiaC: english would be better .. or try #debian-de |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | !de |
| 01:54.07 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 01:54.10 | jthan | Hello all - does anyone have a good set of instructions they can link that will explain how to netboot debian? I'd like to install it on a nfs also. |
| 01:54.10 | abrotman | eh .. #debian.de |
| 01:54.34 | EagleScreen | exn: are you logged as root in that console? |
| 01:54.39 | jpinx-eeepc | jthan: it's in the install pages of debian.org |
| 01:54.45 | bluethundr_ | EagleScreen: yes I am root |
| 01:54.47 | jthan | jpinx-eeepc: is there an ARM specific version? |
| 01:54.57 | exn | jpinx-eeepc, nothing there |
| 01:55.00 | jpinx-eeepc | jthan: read it yourswelf:p |
| 01:55.01 | bluethundr_ | EagleScreen: whoops :) |
| 01:55.06 | exn | EagleScreen, no |
| 01:55.07 | jthan | jpinx-eeepc: haha. alright. thanks. |
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| 01:55.37 | bluethundr_ | :( |
| 01:56.00 | qiyong | what distro has a full DVD? full means pkg + source pkg, i have a box with no internet connection. |
| 01:56.01 | bluethundr_ | hears a kitten dying |
| 01:56.45 | exn | haha lamers |
| 01:56.45 | jpinx-eeepc | qiyong: check debian.org - I'm not sure if there's *one* DVD that holds everything |
| 01:56.46 | exn | noobs |
| 01:57.02 | exn | man firefox, man sudo |
| 01:57.04 | exn | hehe |
| 01:57.06 | exn | idiots |
| 01:57.07 | jpinx-eeepc | exn: you are not going to get anywhere with an attitude |
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| 01:57.14 | McManiaC | abrotman: http://ix.io/6a |
| 01:57.33 | bluethundr_ | exn: be kind we all are here for help |
| 01:57.48 | jpinx-eeepc | bluethundr_: he was trolling |
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| 01:57.54 | Pillz | erm, where can i find web fonts? |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | McManiaC: ls -l /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 01:58.13 | McManiaC | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 28. Jul 03:46 /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 01:58.22 | bluethundr_ | jpinx-eeepc: ah... well 4chan must be down ;-) |
| 01:58.30 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 01:58.50 | bluethundr_ | does no one have any input on my jvm problem? purdy plz |
| 01:58.52 | pmo_ | hello, i would like to know.. if you can dd all files of a mp3 player (for backup purposes), use it as a usb stick / memory, and then recover it, with dd ? |
| 01:59.52 | bluethundr_ | I have quite an interesting root path at this point |
| 01:59.53 | bluethundr_ | http://pastebin.com/m45941c1c |
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| 02:00.16 | McManiaC | abrotman: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 28. Jul 03:46 /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
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| 02:00.38 | abrotman | McManiaC: what is line 72 of that file trying to do with that file ? |
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| 02:02.26 | McManiaC | abrotman: echo > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | maybe it's the directory ? |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | McManiaC: can you do that as root? |
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| 02:04.18 | bluethundr_ | ok this is a tad more reasonable but still no joy |
| 02:04.19 | bluethundr_ | http://pastebin.com/m3b06f012 |
| 02:04.21 | McManiaC | abrotman: no |
| 02:04.37 | McManiaC | abrotman: its late tho, gonna take a look at it tomorrow, thanks anyway |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:04.56 | bluethundr_ | bueller? bueller? |
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| 02:07.31 | giaco | hello |
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| 02:07.51 | giaco | I've a problem on a server that I don't know how to debug |
| 02:08.23 | giaco | it's a mail server, it does not have a big load, but it seems to stop responding after a while |
| 02:08.31 | giaco | both to the mail service and ssh |
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| 02:09.35 | giaco | for example I type ssh root@<ip>, it asks me for the password, I give it correctly, than it makes me wait for 20 seconds and than "Timeout, server not responding." |
| 02:10.08 | giaco | I don't know how to troubleshoot |
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| 02:13.54 | giaco | if you have any hint please gimme a "hooorayy!" |
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| 02:16.08 | voipzapper | anyone here? |
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| 02:16.17 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 02:17.08 | voipzapper | abrotman: hey there abrotman, me = formerly known as wysiwyg111 |
| 02:17.12 | abrotman | oh no! |
| 02:17.13 | abrotman | hides |
| 02:17.19 | voipzapper | heh heh |
| 02:17.59 | voipzapper | abrotman: been studying up on my linux notes, reading man pages, study study study |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | good job! |
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| 02:18.43 | voipzapper | abrotman: now can speak more intelligently and may hopefully not be such a n00b |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | saying things like .. n00b .. |
| 02:20.27 | voipzapper | abrotman: query: any suggestions as to where might i find sample copies of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/run/ifstate? |
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| 02:21.11 | voipzapper | abrotman: oh, i just like typing "n00b" :-) |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:22.06 | voipzapper | abrotman: aha! no wonder my fgrep search didn't find them. thanks |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | voipzapper: locate interfaces | grep examp |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | (i'm sure there's a better way) |
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| 02:26.40 | voipzapper | abrotman: my debian install doesn't have that directory. only a single perl file in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown called upgrade-from-0.5.x.pl |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | voipzapper: so try the command i gave you .. or man interfaces |
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| 02:30.09 | enouf | voipzapper: the debian-reference has great stuff too |
| 02:30.28 | enouf | voipzapper: install 'rutebook' too |
| 02:30.41 | enouf | voipzapper: /msg dpkg grounding and /msg dpkg search |
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| 02:32.26 | voipzapper | abrotman: will try command. brb. |
| 02:33.06 | voipzapper | abrotman: i am sorry to be so new to all this, but i keep getting the "grounding" suggestion and i am not sure what that really means |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | !tell voipzapper about grounding |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | !tell voipzapper about selftell |
| 02:35.15 | voipzapper | abrotman: ok. i am starting to get it. i have not been ignoring suggestions to do so, but much of what i read is pretty hard to understand |
| 02:35.28 | abrotman | voipzapper: google can find stuff too |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+example+interfaces&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 02:36.05 | abrotman | though the first is for ubuntu .. |
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| 02:36.49 | voipzapper | abrotman: so if i wanted to check out "interfaces via dpkg, i would say /msg dpkg interfaces ? |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | that's one way |
| 02:37.11 | voipzapper | abrotman: actually have gone with a debian install rather than ubuntu |
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| 02:38.21 | voipzapper | abrotman: google has a pretty vast set of return results for the search terms i could think of. :-) |
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| 02:41.12 | nsadmin | voipzapper: also take a look at your interfaces file (which will likely exist if your net is working and comes up at boot), and man 5 interfaces is the reference about the interfaces file format |
| 02:41.49 | nsadmin | one more small detail, it's possible for other packages to add syntax possibilities to the interfaces file. |
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| 02:42.41 | voipzapper | ndsadmin: thank you. |
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| 02:43.21 | voipzapper | oops: "nsadmin". this chatzilla client doesn't seem to be able to tab the names. :-( |
| 02:43.28 | enouf | voipzapper: dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc |
| 02:43.43 | nsadmin | welcome. the dpkg bot factoid will have the location of the file on your machine |
| 02:43.55 | enouf | voipzapper: you will quickly learn - most documentation lives in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 02:45.05 | enouf | voipzapper: /other/ than the man pages (which live in /usr/share/man/*) and are gzipped and use your $PAGER whenever you open one |
| 02:45.25 | voipzapper | nsadman: on the "dpkg bot factoid", i am not really sure what that means. is "factoid" something i want to know about? |
| 02:45.38 | voipzapper | dpkg bot factoid |
| 02:45.39 | dpkg | i don't know, voipzapper |
| 02:45.43 | enouf | voipzapper: here - do this --- echo $<tab><tab> in any terminal |
| 02:45.53 | nsadmin | well it's a word that has relevence with respect to the bot here |
| 02:46.08 | nsadmin | dpkg interfaces |
| 02:46.08 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 02:46.19 | nsadmin | that's a factoid |
| 02:46.26 | enouf | voipzapper: usually - anything in here written with <> surrounding them is a "factoid" keyword |
| 02:46.33 | nsadmin | its "key" is interfaces |
| 02:46.47 | enouf | voipzapper: except things like <tab> and <ENTER> |
| 02:47.04 | nsadmin | but enter is a factoid, ironically :) |
| 02:47.24 | enouf | voipzapper: many factoids make reference to OTHER <factoid>s |
| 02:47.26 | enouf | see? |
| 02:47.38 | enouf | nsadmin: is it? hehe |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | so is tab |
| 02:47.53 | enouf | wait .. i'm not stoned :-p |
| 02:47.54 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 02:47.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:47.57 | enouf | literally :-p |
| 02:48.00 | enouf | hides |
| 02:48.00 | nsadmin | yep sure is :) |
| 02:48.17 | enouf | !stone nsadmin |
| 02:48.17 | dpkg | hurls a boulder completely crushing nsadmin |
| 02:48.21 | voipzapper | heh heh. wow. i am barely figuring out irc shiat here. wow. STILL READING. you guys are being exceptionally helpful |
| 02:48.22 | enouf | :-) |
| 02:48.35 | enouf | voipzapper: we lub u |
| 02:48.36 | nsadmin | OMG, I'm completely crushed! |
| 02:48.43 | enouf | haha |
| 02:48.45 | voipzapper | and i AM saving everything relevent here to study, study, study |
| 02:49.07 | enouf | aha! |
| 02:49.12 | enouf | !fundamentals |
| 02:49.13 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 02:49.13 | voipzapper | !stone voipzapper |
| 02:49.13 | dpkg | hurls a boulder completely crushing voipzapper |
| 02:49.26 | enouf | i KNEW there was a relevant factoid |
| 02:49.29 | nsadmin | voipzapper: I'm sorta willing to pile on more, but I will ask your purpose first |
| 02:49.41 | voipzapper | i just crushed myself. ouch. |
| 02:49.47 | enouf | !pal voipzapper |
| 02:49.47 | dpkg | points at voipzapper and laughs |
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| 02:50.00 | nsadmin | what a pal! |
| 02:50.20 | voipzapper | nsadmin: my purpose for running a linux box in general or for asking certain specific questions? |
| 02:50.21 | nsadmin | (ugh, what a stinky pun...) |
| 02:50.29 | enouf | edits <fundamentals> to include pkg "rutebool" |
| 02:50.32 | enouf | edits <fundamentals> to include pkg "rutebook" |
| 02:50.50 | nsadmin | drinks rutebeer |
| 02:50.51 | enouf | got a prob with that? eh? |
| 02:51.18 | nsadmin | voipzapper: for running linux in general |
| 02:51.25 | voipzapper | rutebeer sounds yummy. wonder if that is related to rotebeer |
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| 02:52.35 | voipzapper | nsadmin: well apart from the delicious unix and superior utilization of disk space and hardware, the fact that it is GNU software, and a distaste for all things windows.. |
| 02:53.03 | voipzapper | nsadmin: some very specific network hardware tasks that we are performing or hope to perform |
| 02:53.13 | nsadmin | ok, so generally you have a general purpose for running linux, in general... |
| 02:53.21 | enouf | oh shit - wrong network - heh |
| 02:53.23 | enouf | !fundamentals |
| 02:53.24 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read! |
| 02:53.50 | voipzapper | nsadmin: yes, generally that is correct ;-) |
| 02:54.21 | nsadmin | ok, then the fundamentals factoid will cover it. go SLOW, don't overwhelm yourself |
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| 02:54.32 | nsadmin | allocate time to learn |
| 02:55.01 | voipzapper | nsadmin: have been doing nothing but same for the last few days |
| 02:55.02 | enouf | voipzapper: you have to start somewhere -- if you have ANY programming knowledge you |
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| 02:55.13 | enouf | 're already ahead |
| 02:55.25 | enouf | however -- if VBScript -- you lose |
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| 02:55.33 | enouf | or someshit like that |
| 02:55.35 | voipzapper | nsadmin: actually a *nix hack from way back, so much of this is just file/device specific learning |
| 02:55.43 | enouf | goes away |
| 02:55.45 | nsadmin | the main thing is the shell is the source of most of the power and all of the expressiveness of unix/linux |
| 02:55.46 | giaco | I've a problem on a server that I don't know how to debug |
| 02:55.49 | giaco | it's a mail server, it does not have a big load, but it seems to stop responding after a while |
| 02:55.54 | giaco | both to the mail service and ssh |
| 02:55.57 | voipzapper | enouf: thx |
| 02:55.58 | giaco | for example I type ssh root@<ip>, it asks me for the password, I give it correctly, than it makes me wait for 20 seconds and than "Timeout, server not responding." |
| 02:56.04 | giaco | I don't know how to troubleshoot |
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| 02:56.45 | nsadmin | actually that's not true since there are other languages that run in linux, but if you don't use them, you still have plenty of power |
| 02:56.51 | enouf | giaco: try killing any/all *avahi* that might be running -- netstat and lsof would show you |
| 02:57.21 | enouf | nsadmin: homogenization will die ... and get you nowhere |
| 02:57.28 | giaco | enouf, ps -ae |grep ava results in nothing |
| 02:57.46 | voipzapper | nsadmin: my SPECIFIC purpose at this particular time is to be able to interface with and minupulate several flavors of small network devices |
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| 02:57.54 | enouf | hrm |
| 02:58.03 | giaco | enouf, the problem is that this is a remote server, so when it's not responding it's actually restarting itself |
| 02:58.14 | enouf | not good |
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| 02:58.16 | giaco | so I cannot talk to the server while it's not responding |
| 02:58.27 | voipzapper | nsadmin: basically, to put knowledge derived in another field to good use in the unlocking of "locked" devices |
| 02:58.31 | enouf | run fsck ;lately? |
| 02:58.36 | nsadmin | sure you can... it just won't talk back :) |
| 02:58.43 | giaco | enouf, mmm no |
| 02:58.52 | enouf | what's free and stuff showing? |
| 02:58.57 | enouf | are you swapping? |
| 02:59.13 | enouf | are you being bombed from Dictionary attacks? |
| 02:59.39 | nsadmin | throw the book at em! |
| 02:59.51 | voipzapper | nsadmin: and hence the nick "voipzapper". concentrating on unlocking those devices ATM. voip service providers are notorious for leaving former customers high and dry with a locked box |
| 03:00.07 | giaco | enouf, I'm not swapping |
| 03:00.18 | giaco | enouf, what do you mean with "what's free and stuff showing?" |
| 03:00.25 | enouf | giaco: a "restarting" server needs a) smartmontools to check health and status of HDDs |
| 03:00.44 | nsadmin | giaco type: free | pastebinit |
| 03:00.47 | giaco | enouf, but the restart is issued by me |
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| 03:00.52 | enouf | and b) some iotop and ps loving to see what's happening,. and when |
| 03:01.02 | giaco | enouf, it's not a failure restart, it's a script restart |
| 03:01.24 | enouf | giaco: ufff .. you made it sound like it was restarting on it's own |
| 03:01.48 | enouf | " so when it's not responding it's actually restarting itself" |
| 03:01.50 | giaco | enouf, I'm sorry ... |
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| 03:02.27 | enouf | it's ok - just try to be clear ;-) |
| 03:02.34 | enouf | and concise ;-) |
| 03:02.46 | giaco | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/d2fba4a99 |
| 03:02.56 | giaco | enouf, I'll do my best |
| 03:03.03 | nsadmin | enouf: that would be the output of free |
| 03:03.06 | enouf | needs to eat .. is afk |
| 03:05.22 | giaco | is it possible to perform a fsck on a mounted fs? ( ext3 ) |
| 03:05.41 | nsadmin | if you tell it not to fix it |
| 03:05.45 | nsadmin | you're just looking |
| 03:05.51 | nsadmin | read only test |
| 03:06.22 | nsadmin | otoh, if the partition is mounted read-only, you can fsck it |
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| 03:08.07 | giaco | nsadmin, would you try the check even if it says "passed clean" ? |
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| 03:08.18 | nsadmin | possibly. |
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| 03:08.41 | nsadmin | fsck sometimes has a more rigorous mode |
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| 03:09.58 | askvictor | I'm trying to resize some volumes in LVM, one worked successfully, for the second I'm getting "locking type 1 initialisation failed" and for anything else LVM related I try. Any thoughts? I'm using lvm over the top of an encrypted volume |
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| 03:10.55 | nsadmin | so you're using an encrypted vol as a pv? |
| 03:11.10 | nsadmin | not sure I can help, but curious. |
| 03:11.19 | askvictor | yep |
| 03:11.53 | enouf | are you even using Debian? |
| 03:12.13 | askvictor | yes |
| 03:12.18 | enouf | prove it |
| 03:12.23 | askvictor | why? |
| 03:12.30 | nsadmin | would he be odd if he wasn't? |
| 03:12.44 | enouf | if you're admin'ing LVMs over encrypted PVs you know how |
| 03:12.56 | askvictor | I didn't set the system up... |
| 03:12.58 | enouf | nsadmin: not the point of my /query |
| 03:13.05 | enouf | dsn't matter |
| 03:13.16 | enouf | +o and +e hehe |
| 03:13.42 | enouf | nsadmin: as you've just witnessed .. the 'point' |
| 03:14.23 | nsadmin | well sure... but the thing is it doesn't necessarily follow (I run debian, I don't know how to do everything) |
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| 03:14.50 | nsadmin | hence the existance of people willing to help |
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| 03:15.49 | enouf | nsadmin: if one cannot show they run "debian" - they have no business admin'ing anything -- let alone coming here asking for support |
| 03:15.52 | enouf | IMHO |
| 03:16.32 | km | hi, wat the command to disable services? |
| 03:16.34 | enouf | nsadmin: call it; "enouf's prerequisites" |
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| 03:17.13 | nsadmin | I understand... and I see your point: it's easier to communicate when both parties have commonalities |
| 03:17.24 | enouf | nsadmin: and to honest - i do NOT care so much if they admin winXXX Server ... blah blah ... but they should NOT come here for support |
| 03:17.31 | enouf | +be* |
| 03:18.01 | enouf | indeed - well -- not so much "commonalities" as "where does one stand .." |
| 03:18.07 | nsadmin | not about win server, agreed |
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| 03:18.40 | askvictor | enouf: why do you need _proof_ of running debian? Isn't my word good enough? Can you help or not? |
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| 03:18.55 | nsadmin | sings "Stand by your fridge"... |
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| 03:20.06 | enouf | askvictor: i don't think so ... i'm not very adept in LVm + encrypted volumes, no matter how they're setup, and definitely not if they're not running Debian |
| 03:20.16 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.23 | syntax_ | where can i get the debian 32bit iso at on debian.org |
| 03:20.46 | enouf | but it's (running Debian) not the "peeve" as much as it might be "OS/Distro specifics" |
| 03:21.06 | enouf | such as CLVm, which RH utilizes |
| 03:21.15 | enouf | or other things |
| 03:21.21 | nsadmin | I think you should do unencrypted PVs, unencrypted lvm, encrypted filesystems on the lvm |
| 03:21.28 | askvictor | I mean, I'm typing this on an ubuntu machine, while the server I'm admin'ing is in single-user mode... though it would be easy enough to forge whatever proof you want unless there is some secret club key that every install is signed with that I have to provide |
| 03:21.56 | askvictor | nsadmin: yes, I think so to, but that is not the current setup of the machine I'm trying to fix |
| 03:21.59 | enouf | askvictor: that doens't matter to me, nor others ... "I mean, I'm typing this on an ubuntu machine, while ... " |
| 03:22.21 | askvictor | enouf: then what proof of running debian would you expect? |
| 03:23.04 | nsadmin | askvictor: would you be able to move to that? when I think of PVs, they're an ordered collection of blocks... if that's encrypted, then blocks are hard |
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| 03:23.36 | enouf | askvictor: you know what a "chroot" is? (not that you would be able to do that in your situation) |
| 03:23.53 | askvictor | nsadmin: possibly; any leads on how to do this? |
| 03:23.57 | enouf | askvictor: just some general Kernel version and such would be fine |
| 03:24.03 | enouf | askvictor: libc6 versions |
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| 03:24.54 | iluminator101 | how do you restart gnome GNOME Settings Daemon? |
| 03:24.59 | enouf | nsadmin: encryption/decryption _usually_ happens on the FS level -- at the block level? hmmph .. |
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| 03:25.08 | nsadmin | askvictor: brute force method: get a new drive, establish the lvm situation and the boot situation, establish encrypted filesystems, copy stuff over, |
| 03:25.24 | enouf | nsadmin: i mean; usually there's some sort of UnionFS/Aufs happening |
| 03:25.26 | nsadmin | Mirel- just /msged me |
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| 03:25.46 | enouf | iluminator101: try /msg dpkg gnome |
| 03:26.01 | enouf | nsadmin: kick mirel? |
| 03:26.05 | enouf | oh gone |
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| 03:26.30 | nsadmin | well I'm trying to determine channel vs net issue |
| 03:26.41 | Wyzard | nsadmin: I got a msg too |
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| 03:27.01 | nsadmin | presently not visibly joined on another channel |
| 03:27.26 | nsadmin | an irc op would have to take it from here |
| 03:27.31 | askvictor | enouf: yes, I know what a chroot is (though yes/no questions seem useless in this case) 2.6.26-2-amd64, though again, kinda useless question, and why bother with an intelligence test for ppl who need help on something? |
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| 03:28.09 | enouf | askvictor: wanna stop focusing on my peeves? you _might_ get the help you need -- you might not! |
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| 03:28.48 | enouf | askvictor: i need help shoving my huge penis into ladies that are deserving -- wanna help?! ;-) |
| 03:28.59 | askvictor | enouf: I'm OK with that - how about: if you can't help then don't bother questioning whether I'm smart enough to receive help? |
| 03:29.00 | enouf | hides |
| 03:29.09 | nsadmin | enouf: venutianarts.com |
| 03:29.17 | enouf | i did NOT question your intelligence!@ |
| 03:29.25 | nsadmin | and don't say you didn't ask :P |
| 03:29.33 | askvictor | Urgh |
| 03:29.35 | enouf | nsadmin: metbabes.com ;-) |
| 03:29.46 | askvictor | much friendlier over at #ubuntu |
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| 03:30.04 | enouf | if /YOU/ feel insulted -- that's /YOUR/ issues |
| 03:30.06 | nsadmin | askvictor not all the time |
| 03:30.12 | enouf | go then |
| 03:30.38 | giaco | enouf, I've found some errors on the /var partition, I've unmounted it with -l option ( lazy ) but when I launch fsck on it, it complains: Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks... |
| 03:30.38 | giaco | fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while checking ext3 journal for /var |
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| 03:31.22 | enouf | danggit - askbozo has gone |
| 03:31.40 | enouf | giaco: do not do that |
| 03:32.00 | enouf | giaco: who told you to use -l ? |
| 03:32.05 | giaco | enouf, what should I do? |
| 03:32.16 | giaco | enouf, myself, I've shutted all the services before |
| 03:32.18 | enouf | you made it worse |
| 03:32.24 | giaco | gh |
| 03:32.35 | enouf | what am i? -- the rescuer? |
| 03:32.41 | giaco | superman |
| 03:32.46 | enouf | !sysrq |
| 03:32.46 | dpkg | well, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 03:32.55 | enouf | when you NEED to stop services |
| 03:33.03 | enouf | learn it well |
| 03:33.29 | nsadmin | invalid argument literally means usually a specific argument meant as a selector (like, 1=read, 2=print forexample) to a function is invalid because the choice represented by the selector argument is not implemented |
| 03:33.39 | enouf | lern hyow to "mount -o remount,ro /" |
| 03:34.06 | enouf | you do NOT run fack on a Live system |
| 03:34.14 | enouf | live == runniung / |
| 03:34.29 | enouf | not livecd bull |
| 03:34.40 | giaco | enouf, I was not running fsck from the mounted partition |
| 03:34.43 | nsadmin | when you interpret that situation, it sometimes means "certain functionality has not been added to the func" |
| 03:34.52 | enouf | "from"? |
| 03:34.56 | nsadmin | and might mean you have to recompile and add it |
| 03:35.12 | giaco | I was just trying to umount it |
| 03:35.25 | enouf | you have not correctly "umounted" it |
| 03:35.33 | McL0VIN_ | how do i delete all mail messages at once |
| 03:35.44 | giaco | enouf, I know ( now ) |
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| 03:35.52 | giaco | but I need to perform the fsck anyway |
| 03:35.57 | enouf | you do NOT invoke -l just because "there's no other way to me .." |
| 03:35.58 | uman | hello, how can I install showkeys in debian? |
| 03:36.01 | uman | or a program providing similar functionality |
| 03:36.15 | Ezep | McL0VIN: rm -R ~/mail* ? :) |
| 03:36.17 | enouf | giaco: so umount it properly -- then we talk |
| 03:36.23 | Ezep | McL0VIN: I'm not sure of that |
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| 03:36.31 | enouf | giaco: otherwise -- have fun |
| 03:36.48 | giaco | enouf, do you want me to reboot the system and remount it read-only? |
| 03:36.49 | enouf | giaco: (hint; try lsof as root) |
| 03:37.11 | enouf | giaco: you might as well boot into init=/bin/sh then |
| 03:37.26 | enouf | if you have to ask -- don't |
| 03:37.26 | giaco | enouf, as I said, I killed all the major services before umounting |
| 03:37.33 | enouf | Major? |
| 03:37.54 | enouf | dpkg: sing to me in C# minor |
| 03:37.54 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, enouf |
| 03:37.59 | enouf | :-P |
| 03:38.02 | nsadmin | giaco: did you successfully unmount? |
| 03:38.07 | enouf | no |
| 03:38.11 | nsadmin | I'd rather hear dpkg in Db |
| 03:38.20 | enouf | he's got a dangling participle |
| 03:38.29 | giaco | enouf, I'm on a remote terminal, I don't have access to the server keyboard |
| 03:38.36 | giaco | so I cannot use kernel command line |
| 03:38.37 | enouf | oh well ... |
| 03:38.52 | enouf | nice to have a serail console at this point,. no? |
| 03:39.02 | enouf | serial* even |
| 03:39.07 | nsadmin | that's very risky what you're doing there, giaco... how close is the server to you? |
| 03:39.18 | giaco | It would be nice to be next to the server, too |
| 03:39.37 | giaco | nsadmin, about 70km |
| 03:39.41 | nsadmin | a serial console would help a lot |
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| 03:39.53 | nsadmin | giaco: oh, a -short- drive! |
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| 03:40.30 | giaco | that I would be happy to avoid |
| 03:40.32 | nsadmin | having to drive 400 km to fix a server is not unheard of |
| 03:40.53 | giaco | btw, we're not talking about nerd heroes |
| 03:41.04 | nsadmin | you didn't answer a question before, btw: |
| 03:41.11 | nsadmin | giaco: did you successfully unmount? |
| 03:41.31 | voipzapper | hey again folks. |
| 03:41.33 | Desiac | wats the name of the proces that the install invokes when its selecting the base install. i must've missed a set of packages and think it'll be easier installing that way rather than findng each individual package |
| 03:41.49 | giaco | nsadmin, I've umounted with the lazy options, the answer is yes, it's unmounted |
| 03:41.53 | Wyzard | Desiac: tasksel |
| 03:41.58 | giaco | badly, but it has been unmounted |
| 03:42.11 | voipzapper | i have been doing some more reading and experimenting |
| 03:42.15 | Desiac | Wyzard: much appreciated :) beeen years since ive needed to use it, again thanks :) |
| 03:42.15 | nsadmin | what is meant by "lazy options" |
| 03:42.22 | enouf | nsadmin: man mount |
| 03:42.26 | enouf | nsadmin: man umount |
| 03:42.27 | nsadmin | what was the exact umount command line? |
| 03:42.29 | enouf | sorry |
| 03:42.33 | voipzapper | coming up against a small wall. |
| 03:42.52 | enouf | shorewall? |
| 03:43.00 | nsadmin | np, I'm trying to get him to give more complete information, which he hasn't exactly done for either of us |
| 03:43.03 | voipzapper | not finding anything in the various man pages or via google |
| 03:43.16 | voipzapper | enouf: heh. kind of. |
| 03:43.32 | voipzapper | can someone point me to some further reading? |
| 03:43.32 | enouf | snail shell? |
| 03:43.37 | nsadmin | and yes, once he gives the command line I will have to look at the man page |
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| 03:44.12 | enouf | voipzapper: what's the exact issue? /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:44.44 | giaco | nsadmin, which kind of information do you need? I've unmounted with umount -l /dev/sda2, not df says that's not mounted, and fsck says that fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while checking ext3 journal for /var |
| 03:44.55 | giaco | *not = now |
| 03:44.56 | voipzapper | how would i query dpkg or the like to find out what process(es) creates the files /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network/run/ifstate at install time? |
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| 03:45.01 | enouf | Desiac: tasks="whatever" |
| 03:45.03 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 03:45.40 | enouf | Desiac: if you deselected all tasksel options then you end up with a "base" install |
| 03:46.09 | enouf | Desiac: such like, "standard" is a priority that almost ALL should allow for |
| 03:46.34 | enouf | Desiac: "Desktop" is very optional |
| 03:46.40 | nsadmin | giaco: ok, got it. in answer to your earlier question, I'd reboot -before- doing the fsck |
| 03:46.52 | enouf | and laden with flamethrowers even discussing it |
| 03:47.20 | nsadmin | that -l doesn't guarantee that the fs is actually unmounted at the low level |
| 03:47.55 | nsadmin | where is /dev/sda2 supposed to be mounted? |
| 03:48.04 | giaco | nsadmin, If I reboot I'd have the partition mounted again, I think it's risky to reboot without /var |
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| 03:48.14 | giaco | nsadmin, /dev/sda2 = /var |
| 03:48.42 | nsadmin | hmm.. this is dangerous... |
| 03:49.14 | giaco | nsadmin, I could remount it read only |
| 03:49.19 | giaco | then umount it |
| 03:49.30 | enouf | giaco: comment out the /etc/fstab entry -- or add 'noauto' option |
| 03:49.30 | giaco | would it do the trick? |
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| 03:50.22 | enouf | giaco: if it's '/' fs, then append 'init=/bin/sh' to the kernel line |
| 03:50.29 | nsadmin | giaco no, but if you could mount it again then remount ro |
| 03:50.36 | nsadmin | then you could fsck it |
| 03:50.46 | enouf | giaco: or boot into Single ... however |
| 03:50.48 | nsadmin | after that, if it's clean you could reboot |
| 03:51.07 | enouf | dhcpcd does NOT let you remount ro |
| 03:51.09 | giaco | enouf, I don't think that ssh / network would be available in single |
| 03:51.14 | nsadmin | enouf: if he doesn't have a serial console that's going to hose him |
| 03:51.26 | enouf | what? |
| 03:51.48 | nsadmin | the daemons would be down I guess... |
| 03:51.57 | enouf | who's talking about ssh and remote consoles? |
| 03:51.58 | nsadmin | but is that true for debian... |
| 03:52.26 | giaco | [root@venere var]# mount -o remount,ro /var/ |
| 03:52.26 | giaco | mount: /var is busy |
| 03:52.37 | nsadmin | well then he'd have to drive to where the server is, which is the safest option for the server |
| 03:52.47 | enouf | giaco: yes it will -- Single does NOT mean no net -- however, it might mean ssh won;t autostart |
| 03:52.51 | nsadmin | ugh, then don't fsck now :) |
| 03:52.55 | enouf | !single |
| 03:52.55 | dpkg | well, single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init or /etc/rcS.d/* are very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
| 03:53.31 | enouf | giaco: way to go ... |
| 03:53.43 | voipzapper | dpkg doesn't seem to know, or more likely, i don't know how to ask about the issue of my interest |
| 03:53.43 | dpkg | voipzapper: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 03:53.44 | nsadmin | enouf: the server is remote, making what he' |
| 03:53.51 | nsadmin | s doing dangerous |
| 03:54.11 | giaco | the safest option is to kill process by process manually |
| 03:54.14 | enouf | nsadmin: i didn't notice ... some other asshat was bothering me |
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| 03:54.51 | voipzapper | and i kinda don't know where to look. really trying not to have you guys be mr.s. answerman. |
| 03:54.51 | enouf | (no offense to either of you) |
| 03:54.54 | nsadmin | giaco: yeah, that sounds good.... except... |
| 03:55.07 | nsadmin | you're sshed into the server now, yes? |
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| 03:55.29 | enouf | giaco: i thought i told you to learn sysrq? or was that someone else? |
| 03:55.46 | nsadmin | enouf: yeah, it was him |
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| 03:56.20 | nsadmin | enouf: none taken! |
| 03:56.25 | giaco | nsadmin, yes I'm connected though ssh |
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| 03:56.39 | nsadmin | pulls the chain on his asshat which immediately farts... |
| 03:56.40 | enouf | giaco: i realize it needs adjustment and takes effect AFTER a reboot if setup properly |
| 03:56.43 | enouf | but |
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| 03:57.35 | nsadmin | giaco when you first connected thru that ssh, what user on the remote was it? |
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| 03:57.56 | enouf | it's like .. having a car accident, and THEN asking about how to use Seatbelts to try and save one from bleeding to death |
| 03:58.16 | nsadmin | (don't kill any processes before answering that) |
| 03:58.45 | giaco | nsadmin, root? |
| 03:58.52 | skeletal | guys, i need help. I don't know what i can do........ I have a VLC Player here but i can't open WMV files... Guys, what can I do for solve it? |
| 03:58.53 | nsadmin | and you're sure about that? |
| 03:59.09 | giaco | root@serverip is enough? |
| 03:59.15 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 03:59.26 | giaco | whoami = root |
| 03:59.47 | nsadmin | the whoami is not definitive of what I'm getting at |
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| 04:00.09 | skeletal | I already download ffmpeg, but still dont'work here.......... =( |
| 04:00.14 | giaco | what are you getting at? |
| 04:00.34 | nsadmin | if you sshed into the server as root, then the initial ssh login will not involve /var |
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| 04:00.53 | nsadmin | that is, if /var is separate from /, which it is, right? |
| 04:00.59 | iluminator101 | enouf: dbus errors you been seeing lately in the room any found solutions to those? |
| 04:01.21 | enouf | rather than focusing on the triage of stopping the bleeding.. they want to know HOW they will ever keep their catheter from falling into the cavity |
| 04:01.46 | enouf | iluminator101: what? |
| 04:01.48 | nsadmin | how medical! :) |
| 04:02.16 | skeletal | guyss, please, help me : ( |
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| 04:02.50 | enouf | skeletal: see #mplayer |
| 04:02.55 | giaco | nsadmin, / is on sda1 /var is on sda2 |
| 04:02.55 | nsadmin | enouf: in this situation, the catheter is teetertottering and will fall in if certain precaustions are not taken... |
| 04:03.04 | enouf | er #vlc |
| 04:03.10 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 04:03.24 | nsadmin | giaco: type pwd |
| 04:03.40 | giaco | / |
| 04:04.01 | enouf | buys nsadmin one more shot .. to push him just over the edge ;-) |
| 04:04.03 | iluminator101 | enouf: Failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: |
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| 04:04.20 | nsadmin | ok, we're reasonably sure that killing processes won't kill you |
| 04:04.34 | nsadmin | now, lsof /var |
| 04:04.35 | enouf | iluminator101: and what caused that error? |
| 04:04.57 | nsadmin | let me make sure that's the right invocation |
| 04:05.16 | enouf | invokes his rights! |
| 04:05.18 | iluminator101 | enouf: i am not sure all i know is that screensaver wont lock |
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| 04:05.45 | enouf | iluminator101: i don;t care a shit about any screensaver .. nor any locks |
| 04:06.01 | iluminator101 | http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d314f6ad2 |
| 04:06.40 | giaco | nsadmin, I've already killed all the process that were using the files listed by lsof | grep /var, so not it gives no output |
| 04:07.01 | enouf | giaco: man lsof -- see -d |
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| 04:08.01 | iluminator101 | lol okay...dont worry i will figure it out i always |
| 04:08.36 | iluminator101 | do |
| 04:08.41 | nsadmin | enouf I'm looking at the man page now... how do you get it to only consider a specific filesystem |
| 04:09.03 | nsadmin | giaco no, it's still busy |
| 04:09.58 | enouf | nsadmin: doesn't matter |
| 04:10.19 | nsadmin | will lsof /var do the job? |
| 04:10.22 | enouf | nsadmin: FStypes have /mnt/points |
| 04:10.31 | enouf | no |
| 04:11.07 | giaco | finally mount -o remount,ro /var has succeeded |
| 04:11.12 | giaco | I'm read only |
| 04:11.23 | enouf | how? |
| 04:11.28 | enouf | what did it take? |
| 04:11.30 | nsadmin | yeah, how? :) |
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| 04:11.54 | giaco | killingpid by pid and moving resources |
| 04:12.13 | giaco | btw ... is fsck working on a read only filesystem? |
| 04:12.19 | enouf | er "and moving resources" ??? |
| 04:12.22 | enouf | wtf? |
| 04:13.19 | enouf | you mean ; "i stopped the botnet from bitbanging my server" ? |
| 04:13.46 | enouf | :-P |
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| 04:14.21 | enouf | giaco: it ONLY works properly on a ro, or umounted partition |
| 04:14.41 | giaco | I've created a ramdisk to store what was being sent to sda2 than I've moved the flagged streams elsewhere |
| 04:14.49 | enouf | giaco: why would you think otherwise? |
| 04:15.05 | enouf | do you know what a "live" FS means? |
| 04:15.08 | giaco | enouf, it's not like that always |
| 04:15.18 | enouf | what? |
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| 04:15.38 | giaco | it's not like that everytime |
| 04:15.40 | nsadmin | I mean, it's kinda like this... we're both concerned about your system, since we've been there... but you not providing info about what you're doing exactly is making me (for one) feel frustrated.... just so you know, some would consider causing that frustration to be grounds to ignore you. I would request that you decide if you want to do this independently (which it seems you do) with minimal help, or more help. if more help, you have to meet halfway an |
| 04:15.44 | nsadmin | as it's available |
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| 04:16.37 | enouf | wears the American Flag as his BVDs and dances around ... shakin his $moneymaker ;-) |
| 04:16.49 | nsadmin | if you decide on minimal help, at least we don't feel the need to hang on your every word |
| 04:17.04 | giaco | nsadmin, I was not feeling like hiding any information, I've been sending to you command by command all the steps that took me here |
| 04:17.14 | giaco | and this thanks to you |
| 04:17.30 | giaco | I'm sorry that you feel frustrated, but you've done the job |
| 04:17.41 | giaco | don't knot why you are saying that |
| 04:17.45 | enouf | offers up his BigMac as a tiphat |
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| 04:17.54 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:18.10 | nsadmin | no problem, but maan, I (for one) was chompin at the bit |
| 04:18.14 | enouf | giaco: let it go |
| 04:18.27 | giaco | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 04:18.27 | giaco | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 04:18.33 | enouf | if you want assistance, stop trying to dissect everything |
| 04:18.49 | enouf | giaco: CORRECT! |
| 04:18.50 | nsadmin | giaco: I'm saying that in order to illustrate an energy dynamic |
| 04:18.51 | enouf | see? |
| 04:19.15 | giaco | enouf, I wasn't dissecting everything, lol, I'm just following your suggestions |
| 04:19.27 | enouf | giaco: where do you think that message comes from? |
| 04:19.29 | giaco | if not, I wouldn't be here |
| 04:19.43 | giaco | enouf, I don't know, sda2 is mounted ro |
| 04:19.47 | enouf | no |
| 04:19.56 | enouf | it originates IN THE KERNEL |
| 04:20.04 | enouf | grep the source |
| 04:20.17 | nsadmin | giaco: since the remount succeeded, maybe you can umount /var now |
| 04:20.41 | stew | giaco: if you do it, you'll get errors and actually, the last time I tried, e2fsck actually called me a BONEHEAD |
| 04:20.52 | enouf | haha |
| 04:20.53 | giaco | nsadmin, obviously I can umount |
| 04:21.00 | nsadmin | ok, do that |
| 04:21.04 | enouf | falls off bed |
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| 04:21.28 | nsadmin | most heads have bone in them... |
| 04:21.30 | giaco | stew, lol |
| 04:21.52 | stew | e2fsck/problem.c: "\tOR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM.\n" |
| 04:21.55 | enouf | nsadmin: what about meathead? |
| 04:22.00 | giaco | ok, unmounted, now I'm back to this: Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks... |
| 04:22.00 | giaco | fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while checking ext3 journal for /var |
| 04:22.02 | enouf | nsadmin: t-bone? |
| 04:22.15 | nsadmin | enouf: that's what Archie says... |
| 04:22.18 | enouf | stew: excellent ;-) |
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| 04:22.53 | nsadmin | giaco: you're getting ahead. |
| 04:22.59 | nsadmin | did you umount /var? |
| 04:23.04 | enouf | sends "Edith" over to visit nsadmin |
| 04:23.16 | giaco | nsadmin, df says that's not mounted |
| 04:23.27 | enouf | df? |
| 04:23.29 | enouf | NO! |
| 04:23.37 | enouf | cat /proc/mounts |
| 04:23.54 | giaco | ok ... cat /proc/mounts says that's not mounted |
| 04:23.57 | nsadmin | giaco: notice the question I asked... did you just now run umount /var as requested |
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| 04:24.23 | giaco | [root@venere /]# umount /var/ [RETURN] |
| 04:24.34 | nsadmin | no errors? |
| 04:24.37 | giaco | no |
| 04:24.52 | giaco | nsadmin, you don't trust my answers at all, lol |
| 04:24.56 | nsadmin | ok, good, now try fsck /dev/errsda2? |
| 04:25.13 | enouf | giaco: a -l umount can have dire consequences -- please -- answer concisely to what others are asking |
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| 04:25.24 | enouf | finally |
| 04:25.45 | giaco | enouf, yes, you're abviously right about this |
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| 04:26.09 | giaco | nsadmin, do you mean fsck /dev/sda2 ? |
| 04:26.22 | enouf | mounts "gloria" for the glory of it |
| 04:26.23 | giaco | fsck.ext3 /dev/sda2 ? |
| 04:26.25 | nsadmin | giaco: you can choose the other choice... which is minimal help... presently I'm in this mode, which is point-by-point |
| 04:26.32 | enouf | oops .. sorry ;-) |
| 04:26.44 | nsadmin | you are absolutely free to tell me to piss off :) |
| 04:26.52 | enouf | haha |
| 04:26.53 | giaco | I prefer point-by-point |
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| 04:27.09 | nsadmin | ok, then don't do things ahead of me, please :) |
| 04:27.09 | giaco | absolutely not, when I can help I use to behave the same |
| 04:27.41 | nsadmin | and yes, I mean fsck /dev/sda2 |
| 04:27.58 | giaco | Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks... |
| 04:27.58 | giaco | fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while checking ext3 journal for /var |
| 04:28.11 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 04:28.18 | enouf | ... |
| 04:28.19 | giaco | and than it goes back to bash |
| 04:28.25 | nsadmin | I wonder if your kernel fails to have support for ext2 |
| 04:28.28 | nsadmin | err |
| 04:28.30 | nsadmin | I wonder if your kernel fails to have support for ext3 |
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| 04:28.36 | enouf | giaco: pastebin "ps auxf" |
| 04:28.49 | enouf | or pstree -lunap |
| 04:29.06 | nsadmin | I just met someone named Amy Luna :) |
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| 04:29.18 | giaco | http://pastebin.com/d3bd5f07a |
| 04:29.45 | enouf | whoa |
| 04:30.04 | nsadmin | last line? |
| 04:30.05 | enouf | that ain't no init=/bin/sh boot |
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| 04:30.17 | nsadmin | I don't think he can do that |
| 04:30.29 | enouf | oh well |
| 04:30.38 | nsadmin | I don't think he can even go to single |
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| 04:30.51 | giaco | I won't go to single |
| 04:30.52 | nsadmin | not without a serial console |
| 04:30.54 | enouf | where;s udevd? |
| 04:31.04 | giaco | enouf, no udev, it's old stuff |
| 04:31.05 | enouf | where;'s any/all DHCP? |
| 04:31.14 | enouf | giaco: uggghhh |
| 04:31.17 | nsadmin | static ip? |
| 04:31.17 | enouf | old? |
| 04:31.21 | enouf | fix it |
| 04:31.25 | giaco | yes quite old |
| 04:31.40 | enouf | or buy new -- see Redmond --> |
| 04:31.40 | nsadmin | cat /proc/version :) |
| 04:31.51 | enouf | about time nsadmin |
| 04:32.32 | nsadmin | I'm guessing here... built this kernel yourself? :) |
| 04:32.36 | enouf | nsadmin: the older kernels never output like that though |
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| 04:33.20 | nsadmin | iirc udevless could still be 2.6.something |
| 04:33.51 | giaco | mmm lol no output |
| 04:33.56 | giaco | what the hell |
| 04:34.03 | giaco | this is surprising even for me |
| 04:34.07 | giaco | becoming exciting |
| 04:34.18 | stew | giaco: not even "No such file or directory" ? |
| 04:34.22 | giaco | not even |
| 04:34.25 | enouf | nsadmin: with stuff lije [kjournald] .. ugh, i see no [pdflush] just a [some-shit-flush] |
| 04:34.36 | nsadmin | ls -C /boot | pastebinit |
| 04:34.57 | enouf | nsadmin: yes, up until ~ 12 ish |
| 04:35.15 | giaco | dammit I think I've lost it, no connection |
| 04:35.17 | enouf | howver -- the Debian .8 did accepet it |
| 04:35.24 | giaco | praying for a resurrection |
| 04:35.29 | nsadmin | giaco: ohshit :) |
| 04:35.39 | nsadmin | you might have to drive there :) |
| 04:35.41 | stew | enouf: what do you mean by "up until ~ 12 ish" ? |
| 04:35.53 | giaco | wait, I believe in x86 |
| 04:36.00 | enouf | stew: i mean it was an option till then |
| 04:36.03 | nsadmin | stew: what kernel version did debian add udev |
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| 04:36.13 | stew | udev is still not required |
| 04:36.21 | stew | though its getting harder and harder to avoid it |
| 04:36.23 | enouf | nsadmin: 2.6.8 |
| 04:36.39 | nsadmin | so it was in back as far as sarge? |
| 04:36.44 | enouf | stew: for? Yaird? devfs is dead |
| 04:36.57 | enouf | nsadmin: yes |
| 04:37.08 | giaco | nsadmin, probably it is |
| 04:37.25 | stew | initramfs-tools uses udev, yaird doesn't (which is still somehow kicking around in sid) and a non-initrd kernel or a custom initrd don't necessarily need udev |
| 04:37.43 | enouf | stew: i cannot imaging anyone without the 3 pills of udev+hal+dbus |
| 04:37.55 | enouf | stew: 2,4 is DEAD ;-) |
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| 04:38.10 | nsadmin | giaco: well... so what's that machine used for anyway? |
| 04:38.20 | enouf | stew: yaird, i thought, has "the option to" |
| 04:38.49 | nsadmin | I was assuming major mission critical box serving multinational company |
| 04:38.49 | stew | enouf: no, yaird doens't use it at all, doesn't depend, recommend, suggest it |
| 04:38.51 | enouf | stew: how does one do anything "hotplugging" then? |
| 04:38.53 | stew | and there was never a "if you have this kernel or later, you must have udev" |
| 04:39.01 | giaco | nsadmin, it's an ldap mail server |
| 04:39.07 | enouf | what kind of FS do they end up with? |
| 04:39.15 | stew | enouf: i don't believe one does |
| 04:39.22 | enouf | ... |
| 04:39.23 | nsadmin | ahh, for you alone? or for a thousand users? |
| 04:39.39 | giaco | this is a server that nobody want's to touch while it keeps working |
| 04:39.45 | giaco | but now it has started to faint |
| 04:39.52 | giaco | my mission is to resurrect it |
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| 04:40.06 | giaco | no upgrades, no reconfigure, just fix |
| 04:40.18 | enouf | stew: so ..basically no UDEV == no DE functionality? |
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| 04:40.29 | nsadmin | well if it's for a company who's paying you, it's RIGHT NOW time to drive there |
| 04:40.31 | enouf | no DBUS, no HAL dependencies |
| 04:40.47 | stew | enouf: yes |
| 04:41.20 | nsadmin | unless it comes back... but remember, sshd is not presently running |
| 04:41.40 | enouf | stew: ok - so .. point taken -- one can live in the StoneAge and imagine they are in the RealWorld when NOT using udev ;-) |
| 04:41.42 | nsadmin | so if your existing connection is completely dead, you're -hosed- |
| 04:42.15 | stew | enouf: yes, like I said, its very hard to avoid, i was just objecting to "after kernel version X, udev was required" |
| 04:42.17 | giaco | there's a storm out there, there could be something on the phone line |
| 04:42.22 | giaco | driving there is like a suicide |
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| 04:42.47 | giaco | I don't want to die for postfix |
| 04:42.52 | nsadmin | giaco: 20/20 hindsight suggests today was not the time to do this remotely :) |
| 04:43.15 | enouf | stew: SOOoooooo many devices depend on 'hotpluggability' these days - think GoGoGadget ,, and if that's not enough, think iPhoneYourAss ;-) |
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| 04:43.27 | enouf | sorry .. |
| 04:43.27 | McL0VIN_ | i need help setting up email server using lenny and postfix and dyndns |
| 04:43.30 | giaco | oh yes it is |
| 04:43.37 | McL0VIN_ | ^^ i don't know where to start |
| 04:43.44 | enouf | i didn't mean to say "required" |
| 04:43.56 | enouf | or ,, did i? |
| 04:44.02 | nsadmin | McL0VIN_: an email server won't work properly unless you have a static ip |
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| 04:44.36 | giaco | what happens if I'd run ext2 check on ext3 fs? |
| 04:44.51 | enouf | 00:32 < nsadmin> iirc udevless could still be 2.6.something 0:33 < enouf> nsadmin: yes, up until ~ 12 ish |
| 04:44.55 | nsadmin | maybe it would have just ignored the journal |
| 04:45.06 | enouf | 00:34 < enouf> stew: i mean it was an option till then |
| 04:46.05 | enouf | so i guess so -- BUT i meant with Standard Debian "kernel-image-VERSION" |
| 04:46.21 | enouf | stew: ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 04:47.10 | enouf | giaco: don't be ridiculous |
| 04:47.35 | enouf | giaco: you think e2fsck doesn't know? or check? |
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| 04:48.27 | giaco | enouf, so I've no other way of using alternate superblocks |
| 04:48.40 | giaco | I've extracted them, they are in |
| 04:48.41 | giaco | Superblock backups stored on blocks: |
| 04:48.41 | giaco | 32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208 |
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| 04:50.45 | nsadmin | giaco: you're still connected to the machine? |
| 04:50.47 | enouf | wonderful |
| 04:50.59 | giaco | yes |
| 04:51.08 | enouf | now .. pass them to e2fsck on the Command line - haha |
| 04:51.10 | nsadmin | ok, how did the fsck go? |
| 04:51.38 | nsadmin | still got that invalid argument msg? |
| 04:51.42 | giaco | nsadmin, fsck? there has been no fsck |
| 04:51.44 | giaco | exactly |
| 04:51.50 | giaco | [root@venere /]# fsck.ext3 -b 163840 /dev/sda2 |
| 04:51.51 | enouf | TOTALLY forgets the original issue |
| 04:51.51 | giaco | e2fsck 1.27 (8-Mar-2002) |
| 04:51.51 | giaco | fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while checking ext3 journal for /var |
| 04:52.05 | enouf | PRIOR to the whole umount -l thing |
| 04:52.44 | nsadmin | I dunno the original issue, never did... I caught this while he was triaging |
| 04:52.58 | enouf | hopes giaco gets a good fsck |
| 04:53.17 | enouf | er + /finally/ |
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| 04:53.45 | enouf | nsadmin: the gauze supply is strained |
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| 04:53.55 | nsadmin | enouf, stew: what do you two think about fscking with e2fsck (instead of 3)? |
| 04:54.19 | enouf | not to mention the AB- supply |
| 04:54.31 | enouf | nsadmin: there is no diff |
| 04:54.57 | nsadmin | oh, so he might get invalid arg from that too, and also it's worth a try |
| 04:55.00 | enouf | nsadmin: there ARE preconditions to remounting a ext3 AS an ext2 though PRIOR |
| 04:55.16 | enouf | nsadmin: they are symlinks, IIRC |
| 04:55.17 | nsadmin | I guess it's presently unmounted |
| 04:55.33 | giaco | it's unmounted, actually |
| 04:56.05 | giaco | but I'm 99% sure that it would raise the same error |
| 04:56.06 | nsadmin | ok, giaco, subject to whatever they say, I'd say try using e2fsck |
| 04:56.26 | nsadmin | I'm not that sure, but good possibility |
| 04:57.20 | nsadmin | do you have a bit copy of the partition? |
| 04:57.24 | enouf | nsadmin: sorry |
| 04:57.27 | nsadmin | as a backup? |
| 04:57.29 | enouf | Hardlinks |
| 04:57.32 | enouf | nsadmin: $ find /sbin -samefile /sbin/e2fsck |
| 04:57.44 | nsadmin | ugh. |
| 04:57.48 | nsadmin | but, |
| 04:58.00 | nsadmin | it could check its own name |
| 04:58.14 | enouf | wtf? |
| 04:58.27 | enouf | spanks nsadmin with his own name |
| 04:58.33 | nsadmin | ARGV[0] |
| 04:58.50 | enouf | ENOSPANKY ? |
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| 04:59.08 | nsadmin | bash checks that too, to see whether to pretend to be sh |
| 04:59.28 | beardy | !spank enouf |
| 04:59.28 | dpkg | bends enouf over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 04:59.29 | nsadmin | it's worth a shot |
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| 05:00.06 | enouf | nsadmin: hardlinks don't work that way .. although the argV() params do -- strace it .. then report back ;-) |
| 05:00.22 | enouf | !shave beardy |
| 05:00.26 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:00.44 | nsadmin | enouf: but the executable doesn't check the hardlink |
| 05:00.45 | beardy | thinks dpkg needs to get a new razor |
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| 05:00.51 | nsadmin | it checks the command line |
| 05:00.53 | codynotes | Where can I find a list of URLs for /etc/apt/sources.list for various Debian releases? |
| 05:01.09 | enouf | nsadmin: that's nice to know .. and? |
| 05:01.22 | beardy | !mirror |
| 05:01.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 05:01.32 | nsadmin | it could alter its behavior dependent on what name it's called under |
| 05:01.34 | enouf | codynotes: /msg dpkg mirrorsa |
| 05:01.36 | enouf | codynotes: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 05:01.52 | enouf | stupid typos take me FDOWRVEGER to5t yte;tlkr\'/e |
| 05:01.53 | enouf | ;4k |
| 05:01.53 | enouf | ]p 5u |
| 05:01.54 | enouf | 5; hy45p874y t- |
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| 05:02.24 | nsadmin | ewwwps :) |
| 05:02.29 | enouf | what a dump |
| 05:02.30 | enouf | heh |
| 05:02.58 | giaco | dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/backup/sda2_backup.image |
| 05:03.04 | enouf | nsadmin: i;m ready to POUND on something ;-) |
| 05:03.33 | enouf | nsadmin: preferably slammin flesh ;-0> |
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| 05:03.46 | beardy | Buy some bacon. |
| 05:03.48 | nsadmin | giaco: yes, good... |
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| 05:03.57 | enouf | !shoot beardy |
| 05:03.58 | dpkg | blows beardy away with a wand of fireballs |
| 05:04.06 | phurl | hey all, what is the easist way to publish some debs in public_html? |
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| 05:04.15 | giaco | !shoot enouf |
| 05:04.15 | dpkg | blows enouf away with an Uzi |
| 05:04.17 | enouf | and then skin and salt him .. heh |
| 05:04.37 | nsadmin | blows the wand of fireballs away with a wand of transmutation to wand of flowers... |
| 05:04.39 | beardy | runs to save his bacon |
| 05:05.09 | enouf | phurl: huh? |
| 05:05.23 | enouf | phurl: apache2 related? |
| 05:05.42 | enouf | giaco: try gddrescue |
| 05:05.46 | Ficthe | hi guys. I'm not completely happy with the default fonts (especially for some foreign languages - they don't render properly). I have a computer with Win7 and would like to port over its fonts onto Debian. Where shallI put them in Debian? |
| 05:05.47 | phurl | should i use reprepro or other? what do your recomment |
| 05:05.48 | nsadmin | phurl: you can make the repo look like a mirror or like just a collection of packages |
| 05:05.57 | enouf | giaco: you can do it incrementally |
| 05:06.00 | enouf | if needed |
| 05:06.08 | phurl | just a collection, of stuff i built. completly unstable |
| 05:06.23 | enouf | Ficthe: what's win7? |
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| 05:06.31 | giaco | enouf, I don't think that the damage is physical, I think is more logical |
| 05:06.34 | Ficthe | enouf, Windows 7 (beta rc) |
| 05:06.39 | phurl | it can look however nsadmin , just dont want to read lots of docus :) |
| 05:06.39 | enouf | one version prior to 34? |
| 05:06.58 | Ficthe | enouf, er, Vista, actually. (sorry) |
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| 05:07.06 | dysfunctional | by all that is holy i can not get to my root terminal, my updates will not work.. and i get this error message when i try to update. E: ERROR: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:07.08 | enouf | giaco: that's not why i suggested what i did |
| 05:07.48 | nsadmin | there is not /home/root by default... there is /root |
| 05:07.50 | giaco | if you say so |
| 05:08.07 | enouf | giaco: even "gpart" might save you - IF it's a DOS style partition table issue |
| 05:08.22 | dysfunctional | so just make one? |
| 05:08.26 | codynotes | Thanks enouf, beardy |
| 05:08.27 | enouf | nsadmin: how revealing :-P |
| 05:08.27 | giaco | I agree |
| 05:09.04 | nsadmin | enouf: /home/root is dysfunctional :) |
| 05:09.07 | enouf | wait .. what'd i do? shave the beast? |
| 05:09.25 | enouf | nsadmin: it's psychotic -- you're too nice |
| 05:09.53 | nsadmin | women do NOT like nice |
| 05:09.54 | dysfunctional | >.> har har |
| 05:09.55 | enouf | nsadmin: shhhhh |
| 05:10.12 | enouf | don't tell them that!!! |
| 05:11.01 | nsadmin | enouf: believe me, they know... try saying to a woman considering some guy: "... oh, and he's such a nice guy..." |
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| 05:11.17 | nsadmin | and watch how fast she forgets about that idea |
| 05:12.05 | dysfunctional | so what could cause it to not open the root terminal for me |
| 05:12.11 | nsadmin | you will have sabotaged him for life :) |
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| 05:13.48 | nsadmin | anyway... giaco: so you have a bitwise backup of the partition... you can try sticking a superblock backup on where the superblock is supposed to be, and then run e2fsck on that partition |
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| 05:14.57 | nsadmin | the superblock is probably sector 1 of the partition |
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| 05:15.19 | enouf | no |
| 05:15.24 | enouf | it's not |
| 05:15.30 | nsadmin | oh,where is it? |
| 05:15.43 | enouf | ask debugfs |
| 05:15.44 | nsadmin | 0? |
| 05:15.50 | enouf | how would i know? |
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| 05:16.29 | enouf | but it ain't within the 1st 512 bytes |
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| 05:16.33 | nsadmin | hmm, without knowing where it is, restoring the backup is going to be problematic |
| 05:16.40 | enouf | of even the partition |
| 05:16.56 | nsadmin | enouf: right, that's the partition boot sector, sector 0 |
| 05:17.18 | enouf | the 1st partition is "offset" |
| 05:17.44 | nsadmin | but not with respect to itself |
| 05:17.50 | nsadmin | or is it? |
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| 05:17.58 | soreau | !info |
| 05:18.00 | soreau | !help |
| 05:18.03 | soreau | !test |
| 05:18.09 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 05:18.16 | nsadmin | soreau: you want something? |
| 05:18.26 | soreau | Just messing with dpkg |
| 05:18.28 | enouf | it's Cylinder 1 BUT only amounts to 32256 bytes |
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| 05:19.48 | enouf | every cylinder thereafter is usually 8MiB , or so, for DOS partitioning |
| 05:20.29 | nsadmin | dpkg, eval 32256 / 512 |
| 05:20.29 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nsadmin |
| 05:20.32 | enouf | now -- factor into that, LBA ;-) |
| 05:20.39 | enouf | then .. do the math ;-) |
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| 05:21.01 | enouf | nsadmin: == 63 |
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| 05:21.19 | enouf | no need for dpkg ;-) |
| 05:21.31 | nsadmin | ahh, enough for a grub or winders chainload |
| 05:21.45 | enouf | !dpkg convert 32256 / 512 |
| 05:21.52 | enouf | bah |
| 05:22.01 | enouf | !dpkg 32256 / 512 |
| 05:22.02 | dpkg | 63 |
| 05:22.05 | enouf | thanks |
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| 05:24.30 | enouf | nsadmin: note what the diff is from a fdisk -l and fdisk -lu options present ;-) |
| 05:25.04 | nsadmin | does fdisk make the 4 primaries offset? |
| 05:25.23 | enouf | nsadmin: notice Start column |
| 05:25.29 | enouf | no |
| 05:25.54 | enouf | HDDs are ALL like that .. until .. |
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| 05:26.47 | enouf | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923332 |
| 05:26.58 | enouf | !nuke http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923332 |
| 05:26.58 | dpkg | fires an 80 gigaton thermonuclear weapon at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923332 |
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| 05:27.19 | beardy | There she blows! |
| 05:27.31 | phurl | haha |
| 05:27.51 | owen1 | how to list all folders and their size (ls -lAh shows 4k for each folder) |
| 05:27.57 | phurl | reprepro Error: Distribution doooh contains an architecture called 'all'. |
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| 05:28.21 | beardy | owen1: du(1)? |
| 05:28.38 | phurl | reprepro: This is reprepro version 3.11.0 |
| 05:28.42 | phurl | is that version ok? |
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| 05:29.01 | nsadmin | !78 - 15 |
| 05:29.01 | dpkg | 63 |
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| 05:29.15 | enouf | nsadmin: when i say "offset" i mean the 1st partition is the beginning, look back to the last 63 sectors for boot info ,, but looking forward., look in 8MiB increments if you care about boundaries |
| 05:29.39 | owen1 | beardy: i get syntax error |
| 05:29.54 | nsadmin | enouf: it does that to the extended partition too, the first logical is offest 63 sects |
| 05:29.54 | enouf | nsadmin: no |
| 05:30.32 | kc8pxy | anyone here got a few to help me fix my shorewall? i can ssh to my vpn server when the firewall is off, but when i turn it on, i can't. i have this basic config working on another lenny syste, and this one is not working.. #openvpn is silent so far. |
| 05:30.39 | enouf | nsadmin: look at Ext'd with strings or hexeditor ... you're viewing the "jump" |
| 05:30.41 | kc8pxy | sorry.. #shorewall |
| 05:30.45 | enouf | owen1: yo |
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| 05:30.56 | owen1 | enouf: yay |
| 05:31.03 | beardy | owen1: When doing what? |
| 05:31.11 | owen1 | beardy: du(1) |
| 05:31.39 | enouf | owen1: find and +200M say |
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| 05:32.05 | owen1 | enouf: i am confused. what r u talking about? |
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| 05:32.39 | nsadmin | !743 - 679 |
| 05:32.39 | dpkg | 64 |
| 05:32.42 | kc8pxy | anyone? |
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| 05:32.45 | beardy | owen1: That means, the program 'du', its manpage is in section 1. Try 'du -h', 'man du'. |
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| 05:33.03 | owen1 | beardy: got it, thanks |
| 05:33.51 | enouf | nsadmin: again -- remember, you're confining to DOS style partitioning and the MBR + either 4 Primary or-- the 3 + 1Ext'd+Logicals |
| 05:34.24 | enouf | and owen1 |
| 05:34.30 | enouf | ok |
| 05:34.44 | nsadmin | I'm just observing that even logical partitions have the room |
| 05:34.47 | enouf | owen1: use find., forget du |
| 05:34.58 | enouf | nsadmin: no they don't |
| 05:35.01 | owen1 | enouf: oh..let me see |
| 05:35.21 | enouf | the Ext'd is only 1024 bytes and looks like a Primary |
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| 05:35.54 | enouf | owen1: alias findlargetmp='sudo find /tmp -mtime -10 -size +10485760c -type f -print' |
| 05:36.11 | beardy | He didn't ask for that? |
| 05:36.18 | enouf | owen1: you don't need to use "+10485760c" |
| 05:36.32 | kc8pxy | noone here uses shorewall with openvpn? |
| 05:36.34 | enouf | you could use +10M |
| 05:37.35 | enouf | owen1: the '-mtime -10' == modified time within the last 10 days |
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| 05:38.24 | owen1 | i want to print all folders without their content, and the size of each folder. |
| 05:38.29 | enouf | what? |
| 05:38.41 | enouf | he didn't ask for what? |
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| 05:38.44 | beardy | enouf: Read again. |
| 05:38.53 | enouf | no |
| 05:38.55 | enouf | busy |
| 05:39.01 | enouf | explain |
| 05:39.15 | enouf | owen1: fuck you ;-P |
| 05:39.31 | enouf | owen1: beardy told me to tell you :-) |
| 05:39.31 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.42 | beardy | tells enouf to stress down. |
| 05:39.51 | beardy | And be nice. |
| 05:40.02 | enouf | beardy: and 'find' is "perfect" for that |
| 05:40.40 | enouf | beardy: du sucks for that |
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| 05:41.32 | enouf | find , -tupe d -print ; done |
| 05:41.40 | beardy | enouf: I disagree. IMO you didn't understand what he wanted. |
| 05:41.51 | enouf | er |
| 05:41.51 | beardy | owen1: But use the one that fits what you want. |
| 05:42.10 | owen1 | so far i can't do it with any of them.. |
| 05:42.25 | enouf | find , -tupe d -print -exec du {} ; done |
| 05:42.34 | enouf | find , -tupe d -print -exec du {} ';' done |
| 05:42.52 | enouf | find , -tupe d -print -exec du -sh {} ';' done |
| 05:43.05 | enouf | what's the prob yo? |
| 05:43.05 | owen1 | enouf: too much copy tonight? |
| 05:43.21 | enouf | !hug owen1 |
| 05:43.21 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around owen1 |
| 05:43.29 | enouf | i miss u |
| 05:44.00 | owen1 | i mean coffee |
| 05:44.15 | enouf | owen1: i originally pasted one of my aliases that "clears the cruft" |
| 05:44.31 | owen1 | mmm |
| 05:44.32 | enouf | alias findlargehome='sudo find . -mtime -10 -size +10485760c -type f -print' |
| 05:44.32 | enouf | alias findlargeroot='sudo find / -mtime -10 -size +10485760c -type f -print' |
| 05:44.34 | enouf | alias findlargetmp='sudo find /tmp -mtime -10 -size +10485760c -type f -print' |
| 05:44.39 | enouf | ok? |
| 05:45.15 | owen1 | sure, i'll try them |
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| 05:46.34 | enouf | $ find . -type d -print -exec du -sh {} ';' |
| 05:46.35 | enouf | . |
| 05:46.35 | enouf | 774K . |
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| 05:47.52 | enouf | $ find . -type d -print -exec du -sh {} ';' | xargs |
| 05:47.53 | enouf | . 7.6M . ./doc 602K ./doc ./doc/mkisofs 105K ./doc/mkisofs ./doc/cdda2wav 76K ./doc/cdda2wav ./doc/ANNOUNCEMENTs 156K ./doc/ANNOUNCEMENTs ./doc/READMEs 266K ./doc/READMEs ./doc/READMEs/plattforms 133K ./doc/READMEs/plattforms ./misc 16K ./misc ./libparanoia 137K ./libparanoia ./rscsi 32K ./rscsi ./libschily 511K ./libschily ./libschily/stdio 173K ./libschily/stdio ./librscg 36K . |
| 05:47.59 | enouf | happy ? |
| 05:49.07 | owen1 | nice, it would be great to have it line by line, and sorted.. (-: |
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| 05:49.07 | owen1 | -sShl |
| 05:49.07 | owen1 | maybe |
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| 05:49.19 | enouf | owen1: |sort | uniq |
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| 05:49.55 | owen1 | adding |sort | uniq at the end? |
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| 05:52.59 | enouf | $ find . -type d -print -exec $(sort | uniq) {} ';' | xargs |
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| 05:55.12 | owen1 | after i run this nothing happend and i don't have a cursor, so i have to hit ctrl+c |
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| 05:56.11 | fedoralive | can you use the netinst with ppoe? |
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| 06:03.17 | Juansalvador | hi |
| 06:03.29 | fedoralive | hi foks |
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| 06:07.37 | omid8bimo | started a blog ><>< http://100psequence.blogspot.com |
| 06:10.19 | enouf | owen1: same here .. sorry |
| 06:10.24 | enouf | try #bash |
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| 06:11.13 | McL0VIN | owen1: what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:11.34 | enouf | owen1: looks like every _other_ line wants to be processed |
| 06:11.41 | enouf | not every line |
| 06:12.22 | owen1 | McL0VIN: ls -lh but showing the size of each folder will include it's content. right now it shows 4k. |
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| 06:13.19 | fogus1 | hi guys. I installed tfptd but I cannot figure out how to start it. I read the manual and the README but they do not contain instructions on how to start it. |
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| 06:13.53 | fogus1 | this was on a pretty basic (i386 net install cd) install |
| 06:14.19 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 06:14.20 | dpkg | rcconf is probably a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
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| 06:14.47 | fogus1 | enouf: was that for me? |
| 06:14.59 | fogus1 | after installing, I got the following: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/131193/ |
| 06:15.40 | Desiac | i'm running debian on a macbook, i'm trying to set the vga option to get a decent resolution in console. if i set a random vga mode eg vga=795 it complains and gives me a list at boot. i select 36A and it works perfectly. if i then ammend my boot options to include vga=36A it doesn't set the right res, any ideas? |
| 06:17.08 | McL0VIN | owen1: i am sorry i don;t understand what you are trying to do? are you trying to list the folder with the size of each folder next to it?! |
| 06:17.20 | owen1 | McL0VIN: yes |
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| 06:18.02 | owen1 | McL0VIN: without it's contents. only folder and files at the path i am in. |
| 06:18.21 | fogus1 | do I have voice? |
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| 06:18.52 | owen1 | fogus1: try to say something, and listen carefully |
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| 06:18.58 | sten | does anyone here use irssi? I'm trying to figure out a good way to search channels...for some reason chansearch.pl isn't working for me. What type of arguments does it need? |
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| 06:19.20 | owen1 | sten: try #irssi |
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| 06:19.36 | fogus1 | owen1: did someone say something to me? I didn't see my nick get used. |
| 06:19.54 | fogus1 | owen1: have you used tftpd? |
| 06:20.03 | owen1 | fogus1: no |
| 06:20.18 | fedoralive | can you use the netinst with ppoe? |
| 06:20.36 | owen1 | dentist with the pope? |
| 06:20.44 | sten | owen1: regrettably, #irssi has been dead for more than 20min...and #debian is one of the best places for sharing/learning misc. knowledge. |
| 06:21.25 | owen1 | sten: what do u mean by search? type a keyword and search on a given network for channels? |
| 06:21.57 | McL0VIN | owen1: did you try this ls -lh | awk '{print $5,""$8}' |
| 06:22.53 | owen1 | McL0VIN: it's showing 4k for folders |
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| 06:25.38 | sten | owen1: yes, exactly. :-) Something like "/list | grep -i foochannel"...even better would be something which doesn't require /list. |
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| 06:28.20 | McL0VIN | owen1: did you try du -h |
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| 06:28.55 | owen1 | McL0VIN: it shows all the files, recursively |
| 06:29.50 | McL0VIN | man du then or ls , use pipe and awk or sed |
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| 06:31.27 | McL0VIN | now i need help setting up an email server, i have never done this before and my knowledge is limited is there a guide tutorial or anything from that sort! i am trying to use Lenny+postfix and DynDNS |
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| 06:42.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:42.41 | dpkg | * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
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| 06:52.34 | positron` | Anyone knows where I can get a ssl'ed proxy to use lynx and irssi? I tried the open proxies site and tor... |
| 06:52.39 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 06:52.43 | hanibana | Can vim record the log/history of changes to the edited file? |
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| 06:53.32 | Desiac | i'm needing to install an MTA for a cpl days. just need the ability to be able to direct / relay mail to another device. i used to use qmail many years ago, can anyone suggest a package thats relitively easy to setup, doesn't have to be feature rich just need to get the thing up and running, any ideas? |
| 06:54.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Desiac: exim4 and postfix both have debconf front ends, so basic config for both shoudl be relatively easy |
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| 06:55.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibana: .viminfo has a list of commands run |
| 06:55.27 | Desiac | Kamping_Kaiser: many thanks :) |
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| 06:55.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Desiac: no worries, good luck with it :) |
| 06:57.02 | Desiac | thnx |
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| 07:01.49 | mctor | !tell Desiac about dpkg |
| 07:02.07 | hanibana | Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks |
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| 07:08.05 | phurl | how can i get apt on fedora to download debs? |
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| 07:09.31 | liable | phurl: you'd have to wget them i would imagine |
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| 07:14.17 | man_in_shack | phurl, maybe ask #fedora? |
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| 07:15.18 | ajavid | fedora in debian |
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| 07:19.54 | man_in_shack | ooh |
| 07:20.13 | man_in_shack | is there a way to set a limit in aptitude for status=c? |
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| 07:21.26 | man_in_shack | ah, ~c does it, nice :D |
| 07:21.42 | man_in_shack | bleh, can't install grip :( |
| 07:22.19 | nsadmin | phurl, if you're running fedora but you want to run debian, you'll have to install it fresh... having said that, you could build a chroot by running debootstrap from fedora |
| 07:22.58 | man_in_shack | i wonder why grip got removed from the repository |
| 07:23.24 | liable | hmm, wonder if that factoid thing still works.. |
| 07:23.27 | nsadmin | additionally you can install ubuntu the same way (noting the channels you're on, it seems on point to say so) |
| 07:23.31 | liable | !why is grip not in testing? |
| 07:23.32 | dpkg | grip is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=grip |
| 07:24.47 | nsadmin | !why is flobberdyjub not in testing? |
| 07:24.47 | dpkg | flobberdyjub is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=flobberdyjub |
| 07:24.57 | nsadmin | I guess it does work :) |
| 07:25.06 | man_in_shack | ty liable |
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| 07:25.46 | liable | man_in_shack: its not very helpfull though. i was sure i had heard of grip in debian before, might want to check for bugs i guess, or itp's |
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| 07:25.54 | man_in_shack | it's still in stable |
| 07:26.23 | liable | check bts then i suppose |
| 07:26.28 | man_in_shack | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/grip/news/20090219T212227Z.html |
| 07:26.36 | man_in_shack | so now i know what bug number to check |
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| 07:28.44 | man_in_shack | apparently it's considered to be a "dead" project, but the suggested alternative (asunder) is not sufficient |
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| 07:35.22 | maligor | heh, wow, just saw grub-probe using 175% cpu and really making the whole system sluggish |
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| 07:37.27 | Ficthe | I'm at an impasse. When I do this: slimdeb:/home/kh# mount -t ntfs /dev/sdf1 /home/kh/ |
| 07:37.44 | Ficthe | the contents of sdf1 aren't accessible to the user kh, what am I to do? |
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| 07:39.55 | Ficthe | do I give the user any special privileges? going to 'users settings', that user has all privileges checked |
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| 07:40.22 | Zharf | blinks |
| 07:40.34 | Zharf | why would you have an ntfs homedir |
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| 07:41.11 | Ficthe | However, getting even closer to the dilemma - I'm not sure why it just doesn't mount, it gives me this: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'WD2'. |
| 07:41.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | you might want lots of painful issues |
| 07:41.24 | Ficthe | Zharf, whoops, sorry, /mnt* |
| 07:42.10 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 07:42.17 | man_in_shack | so i unbroke a bunch of my system |
| 07:42.19 | Zharf | Ficthe, be sure to use ntfs-3g and specify uid and gid of your user in -o of mount |
| 07:42.20 | man_in_shack | yay |
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| 07:42.39 | Ficthe | Zharf, ah, I don't have 3g, I guess it's no included by default because of some non-free issue? |
| 07:43.17 | Zharf | I'm pretty sure it's there :) |
| 07:44.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | not the default install |
| 07:44.03 | Ficthe | Zharf, I'm afraid not. I'm on a completely fresh 5.0.2 installation |
| 07:44.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | because most people dont need it i suspect |
| 07:44.23 | Ficthe | though, I just got it from synaptic. :) |
| 07:44.35 | Zharf | !info ntfs-3g |
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| 07:45.12 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:2009.4.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 07:45.45 | Ficthe | so, this ought to work? - mount -t ntfs-3g -o kh /dev/sdf1 /mnt/sdf1 |
| 07:45.57 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 07:45.58 | Zharf | no |
| 07:46.24 | Zharf | Ficthe, -o uid=1000,gid=1000 probably if kh was the first user created on that system |
| 07:46.30 | rgr | can someone tell me or point to me a how to of how to use "m-a a-i" to install the nvidia driver from unstable? I have the stable one installed using the correct method currently but need the latest because of some xmonad incompatabilities. |
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| 07:46.52 | man_in_shack | so, i have nvidia-glx-ia32 FINALLY installed |
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| 07:46.56 | Ficthe | Zharf, also, I'm noticing, that /mnt is inaccessible to the user kh (yes, kh was the first user created on this system) |
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| 07:46.57 | man_in_shack | but how do i get 32bit development headers? |
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| 07:48.12 | liable | man_in_shack: search for lib32 or similar i would guess |
| 07:48.13 | rgr | man_in_shack: which way did you install it? |
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| 07:48.36 | Superbaloo | hi there, what is the debian way to install a manpage which doesn't have the name <packagename>.1 ? I have a home.conf.5 manpage to install but if i do it in the library makefile it just fail saying the path doesn't exists :x |
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| 07:48.40 | man_in_shack | rgr, i don't know how, but aptitude install nvidia-glx-ia32 worked |
| 07:48.57 | man_in_shack | rgr, i have a bunch of ia32-apt-get converted packages installed though |
| 07:49.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Superbaloo about mentors |
| 07:50.13 | Superbaloo | Kamping_Kaiser, ? |
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| 07:50.38 | Superbaloo | hu Ok thanks a lot Kamping_Kaiser |
| 07:51.25 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/72253/ << i think this kinda summarises the problem |
| 07:51.38 | man_in_shack | ia32-apt-get isn't giving a result for 32bit nvidia-glx |
| 07:51.42 | man_in_shack | only the legacy versions |
| 07:53.21 | Ficthe | rgr, just out of curiosity - can you comment on where the incompatibilities occur between nvidia drivers and xmonad |
| 07:53.31 | Ficthe | Zharf, that did it, thanks. :) |
| 07:53.41 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/72255/ << oh, the 32bit nvidia-glx-dev does not have an ia32 prefix |
| 07:53.48 | rgr | anything wrong with this? "suso apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx" ? Reports no errors and says its installed. It isn't. |
| 07:53.50 | man_in_shack | so it looks like it will conflict with the native 64bit version |
| 07:53.56 | rgr | s/suso/sudo |
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| 07:56.01 | rgr | damn nvidia and debian. This is the umpteenth issue. sheesh.. |
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| 08:04.15 | man_in_shack | i fixed it by adding nvidia-glx-dev to /etc/ia32-libs-tools/rename.conf |
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| 08:09.00 | man_in_shack | hum, maybe i didn't fix it |
| 08:09.05 | man_in_shack | maybe it got fixed in the repository |
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| 08:10.07 | man_in_shack | cos now i can't install libopenal with ia32-apt-get |
| 08:10.32 | man_in_shack | 32bit version also seems to be called just libopenal-dev, not ia32-libopenal-dev |
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| 08:30.15 | LuciusMare | hello,how to remove some user? |
| 08:30.18 | man_in_shack | deluser |
| 08:30.28 | LuciusMare | i tried man adduser but found nothing |
| 08:30.29 | LuciusMare | oh |
| 08:30.31 | LuciusMare | thanks |
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| 08:30.56 | man_in_shack | ok, this is annoying |
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| 08:31.28 | Dieterbe | Hi, I'm using openvpn on debian 5.0. All tutorials say to manually `mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200`. This works fine, but i wonder why this is needed. Can't this be done automatically? |
| 08:31.29 | man_in_shack | i can't install 32bit version of libopenal-dev using ia32-apt-get because it has the same package name as the 64bit version |
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| 08:32.51 | bzed | man_in_shack: ia32-apt-get is a complete mess. |
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| 08:34.07 | Faithful | Is there an online tool to do dns lookups from USA |
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| 08:36.09 | man_in_shack | bzed, perhaps, but it's the only option at the moment in sid |
| 08:36.38 | LuciusMare | sorry for annoying but how can i download a page and every page topenttit links to? |
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| 08:36.48 | LuciusMare | i know its in man but i need it quicklz |
| 08:36.50 | LuciusMare | i know its in man but i need it quickly |
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| 08:37.04 | nsadmin | and you expect someone to just know |
| 08:37.24 | nsadmin | look into wget |
| 08:37.35 | LuciusMare | the man page is too big |
| 08:37.49 | LuciusMare | i ll be disconnected like in...minute? |
| 08:37.52 | nsadmin | a 10 mile walk starts with the first step. |
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| 08:38.25 | man_in_shack | and if you know what to search for, you can find a shortcut that reduces it to a 1 mile stroll :) |
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| 08:38.35 | bzed | man_in_shack: create an i386 chroot with schroot |
| 08:38.42 | man_in_shack | bzed, not really useful |
| 08:38.45 | LuciusMare | i am not lazy,i just dont know how to search in man and the whole man page is so big |
| 08:38.54 | bzed | man_in_shack: wrong. |
| 08:38.54 | Tiffon | nas |
| 08:38.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.16 | nevyn | LuciusMare: use / |
| 08:39.24 | dysfunctional | anyone know if Bluefish has like a live web view like in dreamweaver |
| 08:39.26 | LuciusMare | hm,thanks |
| 08:39.29 | dutchfish | hi, maybe this is a stupid question, but why is unionfs-source no longer in debian? http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/unionfs.html |
| 08:39.29 | man_in_shack | not when you want seamless interaction between 32bit and 64bit apps |
| 08:39.41 | nsadmin | LuciusMare: you do have debian installed on your home machine? |
| 08:39.46 | man_in_shack | e.g. running 64bit browser from 32bit skype crap |
| 08:39.50 | LuciusMare | nsadmin: yes |
| 08:39.56 | man_in_shack | or cross-compiling 32bit stuff on 64bit host |
| 08:40.03 | nsadmin | then you're capable of looking into it |
| 08:40.05 | bzed | dutchfish: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515958 |
| 08:40.25 | bzed | man_in_shack: both things are not arpoblem. |
| 08:40.29 | dutchfish | bzed, right, but they are all resolved (baffled) see: http://git.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/?p=unionfs-2.6.29.y.git;a=summary |
| 08:40.37 | man_in_shack | bzed, yes they are |
| 08:40.53 | bzed | man_in_shack: no. only if you have no clue on how to do it right. |
| 08:41.15 | man_in_shack | bzed, so how are you expected to run 64bit apps from the 32bit chroot? |
| 08:41.58 | nsadmin | LuciusMare: btw, it's less or more that uses the /, and man uses less or more to do the paging |
| 08:42.28 | dutchfish | bzed, maybe its the fast pace of the kernel ... mm... they got integrated in kernel right? |
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| 08:46.42 | dutchfish | bzed, so will http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/unionfs-fuse.html (userland) be the preffered way? |
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| 08:47.29 | dutchfish | bzed, because it is not so flexibale |
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| 08:47.44 | dutchfish | bzed, thanks anyway |
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| 08:53.06 | dutchfish | dysfunctional, have you took a peak at https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/60 ? |
| 08:53.26 | Sajam | hello, i have installed asterisk on debian and restart it, now i logon window appears but after putting the username and password there's a bank screen. Any help |
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| 08:55.14 | LuciusMare | bb |
| 08:55.54 | Zharf | Sajam, rob it |
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| 09:00.24 | Dieterbe | Faithful: ttry `dig` |
| 09:00.37 | Dieterbe | Faithful: dig @<dns host> |
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| 09:00.50 | Faithful | Dieterbe, thanks |
| 09:01.26 | Faithful | I have nearly digged myself into a whole trying to fix this problem ;-) |
| 09:01.46 | Dieterbe | no problem mate |
| 09:02.00 | Dieterbe | I'm using openvpn on debian 5.0. All tutorials say to manually `mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200`. This works fine, but i wonder why this is needed. Can't this be done automatically? |
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| 09:02.07 | zhxk | gentlemen, how to change text console resolution? |
| 09:02.57 | Dieterbe | you mean the framebuffer during bootup? |
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| 09:03.16 | positron` | zhxk: if you're using GRUB you need to add a line saying vga=0x0323 as an example. |
| 09:03.31 | zhxk | well, i'm on console now |
| 09:03.32 | jelly | Dieterbe: it ought to appear automatically when the kernel module is first loaded |
| 09:03.59 | zhxk | i mean i logged into system now |
| 09:04.30 | Dieterbe | jelly: it doesn't. even the howto on debian-administration.org says you have to do it manually :/ (but doesn't say why) |
| 09:05.39 | jelly | Dieterbe: worksforme when I'm using vpnc |
| 09:05.54 | positron` | zhxk: are you in text-mode and do you use GRUB? |
| 09:06.41 | jelly | zhxk: if you didn't take additional step in advance, you cannot change the textmode resolution |
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| 09:08.11 | zhxk | i am && i do |
| 09:08.11 | Sajam | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.03 | positron` | zhxk: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add vga=ask to the kernel line then reboot. |
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| 09:09.37 | dutchfish | jelly, i thought fbset can do just that, not sure |
| 09:09.43 | jelly | zhxk: if you plan on using X in the future, I strongly suggest you don't mess with the framebuffer console, since it makes X less stable |
| 09:09.56 | jelly | dutchfish: only if the fb driver used allows for it |
| 09:10.07 | dutchfish | jelly, right |
| 09:10.17 | jelly | dutchfish: hint: vesafb, the usual default, doesn't |
| 09:10.27 | positron` | I couldn't make radeonfb to work... |
| 09:10.28 | dutchfish | jelly, yes, right again |
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| 09:11.12 | jelly | positron`: just ignore the whole fb thing until kernel modesetting becomes common |
| 09:11.27 | positron` | Tried hard in the hope of getting a faster framebuffer but no good. |
| 09:11.30 | krs2 | hi guys |
| 09:11.38 | zhxk | jelly:is there a way change it on the fly? |
| 09:12.10 | krs2 | anyone up for giving me some hints on installing python2.6? |
| 09:12.28 | krs2 | i switched to the experimental branch but it refuses to update any packages |
| 09:12.28 | jelly | zhxk: I just said you couldn't (not without a reboot) |
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| 09:12.38 | jelly | !experimental |
| 09:12.38 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 09:13.23 | jelly | krs2: experimental isn't a full repository, it builds on top of unstable. Here be dragons. |
| 09:13.28 | krs2 | ah |
| 09:13.46 | krs2 | well i need py2.6 and cant go to the serverhall to install another dist today so got no choice |
| 09:13.47 | zhxk | jelly:is it a bug? sone one too lazy to add it? |
| 09:14.12 | NiLon | krs2 did you try backports? |
| 09:14.22 | jelly | zhxk: you're asking stupid questions. |
| 09:14.30 | krs2 | nope just asked in another debian chan and they said to enable experimental |
| 09:15.05 | zhxk | jelly:well, i often ask astonishly stupid question |
| 09:15.16 | Guerin | krs2: they aren't your friends |
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| 09:15.51 | jelly | zhxk: if you want framebuffer to work, you need to give a kernel boot parameter or two. For that you need a reboot. You don't get it by default, which is good because it makes X even less stable. |
| 09:16.03 | krs2 | jelly, thanks, adding the unstable-repo did the trick |
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| 09:16.54 | jelly | krs2: note, if you install anything now, you'll have a system unsupported in this channel |
| 09:17.41 | dutchfish | !tell krs2 about sid |
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| 09:17.57 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.26 | krs2 | jelly, thats ok =) |
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| 09:18.40 | jelly | zhxk: sorry, I'm letting someone else help you with this |
| 09:18.51 | NeoTheOne | Hello ppl! Im back :) |
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| 09:19.41 | positron` | Morpheus believed you were the One. |
| 09:19.47 | NeoTheOne | :)) |
| 09:19.51 | VulpesFoxnik | Is anyone else having problems with bash? |
| 09:19.55 | NeoTheOne | Shure he know all my secrets :) |
| 09:20.13 | VulpesFoxnik | It's reporting [ true ] as true and [ false ] as true. :| |
| 09:20.41 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: that's expected. |
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| 09:21.04 | VulpesFoxnik | not according to all of my Bash documentation... although it could be horribly outdated |
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| 09:21.15 | VulpesFoxnik | So the Exit status of 0 is true? |
| 09:21.16 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: man [ |
| 09:21.38 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: I strongly doubt you're reading it correctly |
| 09:21.55 | jelly | (and yes, exit code 0 means true) |
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| 09:22.52 | funalien | Hello ) |
| 09:23.04 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: if you want to use the exit status of a command as test, just give that command without [ ] |
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| 09:23.32 | g00se | cupsys-client seems no longer to be required in Lenny. Is it just libcupsX that's being used then? |
| 09:23.34 | positron` | NeoTheOne: you have to follow the white rabbit. :) |
| 09:23.34 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: if false; then echo "should never happen"; fi |
| 09:23.58 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: if true; then echo "you win"; fi |
| 09:24.04 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm not sure where I picked that up |
| 09:24.07 | VulpesFoxnik | XD |
| 09:24.18 | VulpesFoxnik | It was in one of the places I learned bash from |
| 09:24.27 | VulpesFoxnik | and it's apparently horribly wrong |
| 09:24.32 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: wasn't official docs, that's for sure |
| 09:25.10 | dutchfish | VulpesFoxnik, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 09:25.12 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: there's a #bash channel; wear a flame-retardant soaked vest |
| 09:25.14 | VulpesFoxnik | Jelly: could of sworn I read it from http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide or http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 09:25.22 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: unlikely |
| 09:25.54 | VulpesFoxnik | I was suspecting it could be a problem from the bash to dash migration, maybe not |
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| 09:26.01 | jelly | negative on that |
| 09:26.13 | jelly | [ works pretty much the same in that regards |
| 09:26.19 | VulpesFoxnik | I'd hope so |
| 09:26.19 | jelly | s/s$// |
| 09:26.20 | VulpesFoxnik | XD |
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| 09:26.37 | VulpesFoxnik | alright, time to go rewrite all my scripts |
| 09:26.38 | VulpesFoxnik | XD |
| 09:27.16 | jelly | !bash guide |
| 09:27.22 | jelly | mm. |
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| 09:27.24 | jelly | !bash intro |
| 09:27.30 | jelly | dpkg: you suck |
| 09:27.30 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:27.36 | VulpesFoxnik | lol |
| 09:27.53 | dutchfish | !abs |
| 09:27.53 | dpkg | from memory, abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 09:28.01 | VulpesFoxnik | Is there a reason why Dash is better than Bash? |
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| 09:28.01 | Sajam | guys, i can't logon to my desktop. i put the username and pass and a blank screen appears. Any help?? This happened after installing asterisk |
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| 09:28.17 | jelly | !better |
| 09:28.17 | dpkg | somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 09:28.17 | nevyn | VulpesFoxnik: staticly linked |
| 09:28.21 | VulpesFoxnik | ah |
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| 09:28.27 | nevyn | VulpesFoxnik: posix complient |
| 09:28.33 | VulpesFoxnik | Ah. |
| 09:28.43 | nevyn | VulpesFoxnik: so if scripts specifying /bin/sh fail it's a bug. |
| 09:28.45 | jelly | nevyn: so is bash |
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| 09:28.56 | nevyn | jelly: bash is posix++ compliant |
| 09:29.07 | VulpesFoxnik | I am explicitly specifing /bin/sh |
| 09:29.08 | jelly | what's "posix++"? |
| 09:29.21 | nevyn | jelly: dash provides a mechinism for testing that there's no "bashisms" in scripts |
| 09:29.31 | jelly | nevyn: what's "posix++"? |
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| 09:29.50 | nevyn | jelly: even when called as /bin/sh bash supports constructs not specified in posix |
| 09:30.12 | jelly | Compliancy has a well known meaning. bash, when used as /bin/sh, works for all Debian provided #!/bin/sh scripts. |
| 09:30.21 | VulpesFoxnik | so I should be specifying /bin/bash? |
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| 09:30.36 | jelly | nevyn: right, but it's a full superset |
| 09:30.46 | jelly | there's nothing missing |
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| 09:31.09 | nevyn | jelly: sure. |
| 09:31.19 | jelly | so dash being "posix compliant" doesn't make it better |
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| 09:31.37 | nevyn | but if you're trying to write a portable sh script... bashisms can sneak in |
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| 09:31.48 | VulpesFoxnik | It sounds like dash is more reliable in case of a major disk failure |
| 09:31.59 | nevyn | VulpesFoxnik: it'd have to be seriously major. |
| 09:32.14 | jelly | also, ldd `which dash` says it's not statically linked in Debian squeeze |
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| 09:32.39 | nevyn | hrm I thought it was. |
| 09:32.43 | nevyn | guess not. |
| 09:32.46 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: use a proper statically linked shell like busybox or sash in that case. |
| 09:33.09 | VulpesFoxnik | jelly: It could be a compatablity issue we are trying to resolve with Ubuntu.... they use dash... at least according to my friend who uses it. |
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| 09:33.17 | VulpesFoxnik | -gasp- I know |
| 09:33.47 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: ubuntu provides a list of reasons why they switched the default /bin/sh to dash. |
| 09:34.39 | jelly | first google result when searching for: ubuntu dash |
| 09:35.13 | dutchfish | VulpesFoxnik, untrue, also dash is statically linked bash is being used |
| 09:35.44 | naiv | id want to view and change the «default» font for xorg. i read about fontconfig and xft but i think that this isn't the right program/documentation |
| 09:36.22 | jelly | dutchfish: your line is making me confused! |
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| 09:36.48 | VulpesFoxnik | "The Debian policy manual has long mandated that "shell scripts specifying '/bin/sh' as interpreter must only use POSIX features"; in fact, this requirement has been in place since well before the inception of the Ubuntu project." |
| 09:37.01 | VulpesFoxnik | [citation needed] |
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| 09:37.08 | dutchfish | jelly, /bin/sh -> dash ... holy ... they change dit |
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| 09:37.22 | dutchfish | jelly, error my fault |
| 09:37.38 | VulpesFoxnik | dutchfish: Yeah if you read the change logs in aptitude from time to time you would know that ;) |
| 09:38.19 | dutchfish | VulpesFoxnik, i dont use 'the other ones' that often, i am most of the time on debian |
| 09:38.40 | VulpesFoxnik | dutchfish: I only use Debian.... |
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| 09:39.07 | VulpesFoxnik | ... sid |
| 09:39.36 | jelly | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2002-11-19 13:19 /bin/sh -> dash # this was either done a long time ago, or I did it by hand |
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| 09:40.07 | jelly | ah. A fresh lenny installation uses bash. |
| 09:40.12 | dutchfish | in squeeze its per default still : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 jul 18 21:11 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 09:40.32 | VulpesFoxnik | Yes and in Sid, it's being changed to Dash |
| 09:40.37 | VulpesFoxnik | Fun times ahead |
| 09:40.38 | VulpesFoxnik | :/ |
| 09:40.55 | jelly | VulpesFoxnik: that'd imply my desktop had fun since 2002. |
| 09:41.05 | jelly | doesn't remember that much fun |
| 09:41.13 | VulpesFoxnik | hehe |
| 09:41.44 | VulpesFoxnik | now if only I could get wget to use tor again :/ |
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| 09:41.53 | dutchfish | i can change it anytime i want, so whats the fuzz |
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| 09:46.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Oh wonderful... dash doesn't understand ~/ |
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| 09:47.12 | dutchfish | dash does not understand escape codes |
| 09:47.19 | VulpesFoxnik | Really? |
| 09:47.46 | dutchfish | pretty if you want have heavy make files isnt it? |
| 09:48.01 | VulpesFoxnik | Switching to dash seems like a mistake |
| 09:48.24 | dondelelcaro | VulpesFoxnik: uh... it certainly works here |
| 09:48.37 | dutchfish | in bash you can \\n to print \n in dash it prints a newline |
| 09:49.43 | VulpesFoxnik | it would seem so dutchfish |
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| 09:49.43 | dutchfish | fun times ahead ;) |
| 09:49.54 | VulpesFoxnik | time to explicitly call bash |
| 09:49.55 | VulpesFoxnik | XD |
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| 09:50.11 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: try again. That's echo which does that. |
| 09:50.29 | VulpesFoxnik | dondelelcaro: I just tested it with echo -e |
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| 09:50.38 | VulpesFoxnik | It does what dutchfish says |
| 09:50.54 | dondelelcaro | VulpesFoxnik: echo -e isn't supported by the builtin |
| 09:50.59 | dondelelcaro | (since it's not POSIX) |
| 09:51.03 | VulpesFoxnik | doh |
| 09:51.08 | dondelelcaro | VulpesFoxnik: if you want that, use /bin/echo |
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| 09:51.35 | VulpesFoxnik | make me almost want to write my scripts in a higher language |
| 09:51.42 | dutchfish | Complain to the script authors who are making the mistake. Dash has been a viable provider of /bin/sh (by way of debconf on the dash package) for a long time. There are other shells that provide 'sh' functionality too. If a script really requires /bin/bash then it needs to start with #!/bin/bash. |
| 09:52.03 | dutchfish | . |
| 09:52.10 | VulpesFoxnik | I AM the script author ;) |
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| 09:52.57 | dondelelcaro | VulpesFoxnik: so yeah, if you're using /bin/sh, it needs to comply with POSIX. Otherwise, use /bin/bash |
| 09:52.59 | themill | VulpesFoxnik: so you know the solution... the easy one is to use #!/bin/bash if you have bashisms |
| 09:53.19 | VulpesFoxnik | oh boy do I have bashisms XD |
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| 09:55.08 | maxagaz | how to check the last time my ldap has been changed ? |
| 09:55.16 | maxagaz | the ldap database |
| 09:55.18 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm guessing my sed isn't posix compliant either >.< |
| 09:55.23 | themill | VulpesFoxnik: I presume someone has already pointed you to the checkbashisms script in the devscripts package |
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| 09:55.35 | VulpesFoxnik | thanks themill |
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| 10:06.57 | steven43126 | quickie whats the package name for the at daemon ? :) |
| 10:07.01 | dutchfish | apropos dash is much faster btw ;) |
| 10:07.15 | steven43126 | apt-cache search atd doesn't reveal the answer :) |
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| 10:08.13 | dutchfish | steve, at ? |
| 10:08.16 | Esine | Hi. There is a package in the unstable distribution with a recent version I'd like, xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.8.0. Is there a way for me to install it when I'm using stable lenny? |
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| 10:08.28 | Esine | If I add unstable to my sources.list then it will try upgrade my whole system to unstable |
| 10:08.41 | steven43126 | dutchfish: doh |
| 10:08.51 | dutchfish | steve, aptitude show at |
| 10:08.52 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: That package requires kernel 2.6.31 |
| 10:08.55 | steven43126 | dutchfish: yes daemon called atd package called at :) |
| 10:09.03 | Esine | VulpesFoxnik: I am running 2.6.30 |
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| 10:09.10 | Esine | Are you sure 2.6.31 is available yet, or do you mean rc? |
| 10:09.19 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: Yes I mean RC |
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| 10:09.30 | Esine | Humh |
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| 10:09.34 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: I read it on the developer's blog |
| 10:09.45 | Esine | I see. Do you have a link handy? |
| 10:09.53 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: looking for it right now |
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| 10:09.58 | Esine | Thanks :) |
| 10:10.25 | kripz | Is a FS in RO mode really read only? Not even the system will write to the FS? |
| 10:10.25 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/18277.html |
| 10:10.32 | Esine | thank you |
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| 10:11.18 | Esine | Since I'm not running a bigmem kernel, I should be fine with 2.6.30 |
| 10:11.21 | Esine | I will have to try |
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| 10:11.33 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: I was just erring on the side of caution |
| 10:11.50 | dutchfish | kripz, it better should be, so yes |
| 10:11.55 | Esine | But either way, my question stands. Is there a way to install only one package (and well, its dependencies) from unstable? |
| 10:12.13 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: The usual way is backports. |
| 10:12.28 | dutchfish | kripz, in exotic situations like forensics, use snapshotting |
| 10:12.43 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: However I'm guessing you will need the newest Xorg to run the driver. I run in Sid, so I'm not much of a help |
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| 10:12.53 | Esine | I see |
| 10:13.17 | kripz | dutchfish, i have software raid 5, if i have a power outage during writing then it will probably kill it. i plan to use the server iwthout UPS in RO, good idea or? |
| 10:13.20 | Sajam | i have installed asterisk on debian and restart it, now after putting the username and password in the logon screen, a blank screen appeared (No desktop) Any solution for that? |
| 10:13.31 | VulpesFoxnik | Esine: You can control Aptitude more with upgrades if you turn off installing recommended packages |
| 10:13.36 | bcolenj | Esine: check backports /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:13.57 | Esine | I checked lenny-backports but it does not have the package. |
| 10:14.15 | dutchfish | kripz, depends on your raid-adapter, some have the ability to journal in flash mem, so it cna overcome those outages, but i dont want to rely on it solely |
| 10:14.28 | kripz | dutchfish, software raid 5 -.- |
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| 10:14.36 | dutchfish | kripz, doesnt mather |
| 10:14.37 | kripz | dutchfish, mdadm specifically |
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| 10:14.45 | dutchfish | kripz, then a big nono |
| 10:15.14 | kripz | dutchfish, how come? As long as im not writing, should be ok? or am i overlooking something |
| 10:16.08 | dutchfish | kripz, again, i dont know al the merits of your system, but think of swap space, and the raidsystem itself |
| 10:16.24 | dutchfish | kripz, but why would you? |
| 10:16.40 | kripz | dutchfish, need to get some files off it, on a non ups environment |
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| 10:17.16 | bcolenj | kripz: is / on the raid? |
| 10:17.16 | nirupama | hi all |
| 10:17.17 | Esine | kripz: just mount the md volume as read only? |
| 10:17.28 | Esine | hi nirupama :) |
| 10:17.31 | dutchfish | kripz, its always costs versus risk, but i gie sits quiet save to do that |
| 10:17.32 | nirupama | can I run an application automatically from pendrive without a click |
| 10:17.39 | nirupama | Esine, can I run an application automatically from pendrive without a click |
| 10:17.58 | kripz | bcolenj, no, its on a its own drive |
| 10:17.58 | Esine | We talked about this before.. you messed with udev right? |
| 10:18.06 | Esine | hm, did I talk to you with this nickname or as yik, nirupama? |
| 10:18.12 | nirupama | Esine, I mean when my pendrive mounts it should automatically open the file I want or which i have kept in the pendrive |
| 10:18.18 | Esine | yes |
| 10:18.20 | nevyn | dear god... no. |
| 10:18.21 | bcolenj | kripz, you will be fine then, you can survive outages with it mounted RO |
| 10:18.41 | liable | nirupama: why? that sounds malicious really |
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| 10:19.03 | Esine | I think he wants to run a game so his children can plug in the USB stick and run it automatically |
| 10:19.09 | nirupama | liable, but I just want to open by iceweasel browser through pendrive |
| 10:19.19 | nirupama | Esine, yes |
| 10:19.26 | Esine | I suggested a script that checks it every 5 seconds.. |
| 10:19.50 | kripz | bcolenj, That's what i thought. As long as the system adheres to the RO, i wont risk screwing the whole volume due to a half written parity value or whatever. |
| 10:19.54 | nevyn | Esine: udev is the right way to do this stuff. |
| 10:20.27 | VulpesFoxnik | I believe there is an autorun.desktop you can make a program run in linux... I've seen the virtualbox guest cd do it |
| 10:20.47 | VulpesFoxnik | I was quite alarmed |
| 10:21.05 | nirupama | nevyn, ya but it does not invoke a gnome application.I guess udev does only system level work |
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| 10:22.32 | nirupama | Esine, That never worked.It only executes in terminal |
| 10:22.50 | VulpesFoxnik | ah it's autorun.sh |
| 10:23.05 | Esine | VulpesFoxnik: must be gnome specific or something |
| 10:23.09 | nirupama | VulpesFoxnik, can you show me the script |
| 10:23.23 | nirupama | VulpesFoxnik, yes i too need gnome specific |
| 10:23.58 | ceil420 | heh |
| 10:24.29 | bcolenj | nirupama: it can also be done with udev |
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| 10:24.49 | nirupama | bcolenj, no udev only supports for devices |
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| 10:25.01 | ceil420 | a usb drive is a device |
| 10:25.02 | nirupama | bcolenj, it did not help me in openeing an application |
| 10:25.32 | nirupama | bcolenj, ceil420 yes my device is already mounted |
| 10:25.44 | nirupama | so I just want to invoke the application |
| 10:26.28 | Esine | nirupama: But don't you want to execute the application when you plug in the USB drive? |
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| 10:26.48 | nirupama | Esine, yes |
| 10:26.50 | Esine | If so, you can tell udev to run a script when your USB drive is inserted |
| 10:26.57 | nirupama | Esine, that is exactly what I need |
| 10:26.58 | Esine | and that script can launch the application |
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| 10:29.20 | dutchfish | nirupama, http://linux.die.net/man/1/autorun |
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| 10:30.28 | dutchfish | nirupama, the cdrom might as well be a usbstcik detecte dby udev |
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| 10:31.27 | kripz | Trying to compile nanodc but it is giving me an error: ISO C++ forbids declartion.... http://pastebin.com/m69b740f9 |
| 10:31.48 | dutchfish | nirupama, ivman is another option |
| 10:31.48 | kripz | Do i just disable warnings? |
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| 10:32.30 | Esine | kripz: What version of g++ do you have? |
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| 10:33.33 | hanibana | hi all |
| 10:33.40 | kripz | Esine, how do i check? |
| 10:33.47 | Esine | gcc -v |
| 10:34.15 | hanibana | I have 12 Gig free space in my / partition.... but, I can't even create a file and it gets me the "no space left" error...: |
| 10:34.16 | kripz | Oh its down the bottom lol, 4.3.2 |
| 10:34.20 | hanibana | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.43 | Esine | That should be fine.. maybe you need to add a compile option to make gcc recognize auto_ptr.. sorry I can't be too much help! :( |
| 10:34.44 | hanibana | # cd /root/# touch hitouch: cannot touch `hi': No space left on device |
| 10:35.07 | hanibana | any idea? |
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| 10:35.21 | Esine | borek harddrive? |
| 10:35.24 | Esine | broken* |
| 10:35.27 | et | hanibana: df -h /root |
| 10:35.45 | wireddd | debian really needs a way to install php5 without the suhosin patch |
| 10:36.22 | hanibana | et : /root is NOT a separate file system. |
| 10:36.33 | hanibana | its a folder under / . |
| 10:36.38 | jelly | hanibana: df -i /root |
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| 10:37.05 | dutchfish | wireddd, if on lenny: http://www.net-tools.org/files/debian_lenny_nosuhosin-5.2.9.zip |
| 10:37.32 | hanibana | jelly: df -i /root Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on /dev/sda5 1221600 1221600 0 100% / |
| 10:37.39 | hanibana | I ran out my inodes? |
| 10:37.45 | jelly | hanibana: right |
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| 10:38.01 | jelly | you have a million files somewhere |
| 10:38.17 | hanibana | yes I have |
| 10:38.27 | hanibana | can I increase this limit ? |
| 10:38.29 | wireddd | dutchfish: i'm on squeeze atm |
| 10:38.32 | hanibana | jelly? |
| 10:38.37 | ceil420 | hanibana, sure, get another hdd |
| 10:38.38 | jelly | hanibana: no, mkfs time only |
| 10:38.39 | dutchfish | wireddd, ok then: http://chrisblunt.com/blog/2009/05/01/php-fixing-mismatched-canaries-how-to-remove-suhosin-from-debianubuntu-packages/ |
| 10:38.48 | ceil420 | goes to work |
| 10:38.49 | ceil420 | â®.â®,\/.. |
| 10:38.52 | hanibana | jelly: :( |
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| 10:39.21 | hanibana | thank all |
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| 10:43.23 | VulpesFoxnik | ceil420: there is always ext4 |
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| 10:50.00 | yziquel | hi. after an aptitude safe-upgrade, the gnome preference demon doesn't start anymore. how can i investigate this? |
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| 10:51.48 | naiv | Q: is defoma a font manager ? |
| 10:52.07 | dutchfish | !defoma |
| 10:52.07 | dpkg | i heard defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
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| 10:52.34 | McManiaC | hey guys, does anyone know what happened here and how i can fix it? http://ix.io/6a |
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| 10:53.32 | themill | McManiaC: is this a Xen guest? |
| 10:53.43 | naiv | so, who do i tell to defoma that i want all my xapplications to use the font deja vu ? |
| 10:53.46 | McManiaC | themill: Xen? |
| 10:53.54 | themill | McManiaC: what's the output of "uname -r" |
| 10:54.09 | McManiaC | 2.6.24-23-openvz |
| 10:55.24 | dutchfish | McManiaC, on your host it needs something like vzctl set XXX --features "sysfs:on" --save |
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| 10:57.15 | McManiaC | dutchfish: what is vzctl? |
| 10:58.06 | dutchfish | McManiaC, you can find all about in the openvz documentation, its used to control your VMs |
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| 11:01.29 | themill | dutchfish: does the openvz guest need a kernel at all? If not, does it need udev? ISTR you were fiddling around with udev-less Xen installs a while back |
| 11:02.11 | steven43126 | standard debian etch xen kernel, is it not compiled with iptables support ? |
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| 11:02.25 | dutchfish | themill, i was but in order to fullfill squeeze its hard to get around |
| 11:02.52 | dutchfish | themill, in xen its quiet easy to resolve |
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| 11:03.27 | themill | dutchfish: hmm... so how do you get around the can't update hotplug failure when installing udev? (istr it's a problem with etch->lenny on xen installs) |
| 11:03.41 | dutchfish | this is quiet a good doc: http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian |
| 11:04.19 | dutchfish | and one more thing on lenny you need to alter /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst |
| 11:04.29 | themill | yeah. that's the problem I was meaning |
| 11:04.30 | dutchfish | in openvz that is |
| 11:04.59 | dutchfish | but still you need a sysfs in the guests |
| 11:05.11 | dutchfish | the are other reasons as well |
| 11:05.40 | dutchfish | i abonened openvz in favor for xen/kvm |
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| 11:07.35 | dutchfish | but its hard to compare apples and ornages, if you know what i mean? ;) |
| 11:08.11 | dutchfish | s/ornages/oranges |
| 11:08.21 | mjt | btw, 2.6.30 containers support is quite usable. |
| 11:08.42 | mjt | but lxc toolset is a bit raw still |
| 11:09.10 | maligor | dutchfish, both taste like chicken? |
| 11:09.18 | themill | heh |
| 11:09.50 | dutchfish | maligor, no, i meant its hard to compare those virt systems, it all depend son you rneeds |
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| 11:11.00 | dutchfish | maligor, there is no clear better or worse, just different, but for my purposes i fit nicely into xen or more and more kvm |
| 11:11.17 | maligor | aren't they pretty similar in many cases except that you're running a single kernel in openvz |
| 11:11.30 | maligor | and I mean the similarity on the client side |
| 11:11.42 | dutchfish | maligor, paravirtualization is quiet different |
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| 11:12.07 | maligor | technically yes, but the what does the load care? |
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| 11:12.42 | dutchfish | maligor, my decision are based on stability and reusabilty [period] then after a long nothing speed |
| 11:13.27 | mjt | if speed is nothing, there's no reason to speak about stability :) |
| 11:13.39 | mjt | like, plain qemu is quite stable :) |
| 11:14.01 | maligor | and userspace too :P |
| 11:14.25 | dutchfish | mjt, we are talking here (at leats i am) in kernel supported solutions that dont suffor too much on new cpu's |
| 11:14.43 | mjt | suffor? |
| 11:14.45 | maligor | how would selinux work with openvz? |
| 11:14.58 | dutchfish | mjt, sorry for bad english |
| 11:15.11 | mjt | openvz is a big and intrusive patch for quite old kernel |
| 11:15.19 | mjt | ditto for xen btw |
| 11:15.22 | dutchfish | suffer* |
| 11:15.31 | mjt | ah |
| 11:15.35 | dutchfish | mjt, agree |
| 11:15.59 | dutchfish | thats why i tend to do more an dmore in kvm |
| 11:16.33 | mjt | but native containers are promising as well. |
| 11:16.45 | dutchfish | mjt, some are, indeed |
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| 11:17.08 | mjt | some? |
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| 11:17.20 | dutchfish | mjt, but kvm along with virtio is my best next |
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| 11:17.50 | dutchfish | mjt, sorry if i offended you, that wa snot my intention |
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| 11:18.45 | mjt | offended??? Hey, that's a surprize to me. I don't see anything at all that can be treated as offensive :) |
| 11:18.54 | dutchfish | mjt, i certainly didnt want to start a flame |
| 11:18.56 | maligor | why would anyone be offended by arguments about technical stuff |
| 11:19.07 | dutchfish | ok |
| 11:19.38 | mjt | i tried to understand some words you used and asked again, basically, what did you mean by saying "some" or "suffor". that's all |
| 11:19.51 | mjt | because i didn't get the meaning right away |
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| 11:20.28 | mjt | so.. please excuse me for being so umm.. slow... ;) |
| 11:20.34 | dutchfish | mjt, mjt i meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system-level_virtualization |
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| 11:21.14 | mjt | recent kernels implements YetAnother solution for system-level virt stuff (should be mentioned on that page too) |
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| 11:21.44 | mjt | similar to vserver or openvz. may be used - with time - as building blocks for both |
| 11:21.56 | mjt | without a need to patch kernel |
| 11:22.01 | maligor | better than forcing a single solution to conform to all cases |
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| 11:22.40 | mjt | so "some" containers is umm.. I don't understand that. THere's only one implementation - in mainline kernel - that's called "linux containers", and a tool set named 'lxc' for that. |
| 11:23.12 | mjt | (it even works without any toolset) |
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| 11:23.20 | mjt | but ok |
| 11:23.22 | dutchfish | mjt, http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Virtio |
| 11:23.24 | Esine | Do containers have their own process space and networking? |
| 11:23.31 | mjt | yes Esine |
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| 11:23.41 | caraconan | Hi. How can I put aptitude into a script to determine if the installation of this package ends propperlly? http://pastebin.com/m1d2e8e5f does'nt works... |
| 11:23.42 | Esine | Can different containers have different routing tables without interefing with others? |
| 11:23.58 | mjt | dutchfish: i'm quite active user (and debugger ;) of kvm and active member of #kvm channel... jfyi :) |
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| 11:24.06 | mjt | Esine: yes |
| 11:24.11 | Esine | that sounds good! |
| 11:24.13 | dutchfish | mjt, oh good to hear :) |
| 11:24.27 | Esine | Why would anyone use kvm to paravirtualize linux installs then and not kvm? :=) |
| 11:24.33 | mjt | Esine: but mind you, you've only so far real network interfaces on your host... |
| 11:24.33 | Esine | use xen* |
| 11:24.48 | mjt | s/far/many/ |
| 11:24.51 | Esine | yes but.. mjt, hm |
| 11:25.12 | Esine | can't you share one interface like what xen and vmware allows? |
| 11:25.15 | mjt | Esine: i mean, all that routing et all is umm... virtual |
| 11:25.23 | mjt | sure |
| 11:25.42 | Esine | right, so you could have a dozen containers using only one NIC? |
| 11:25.42 | mjt | note neither xen nor vmware does not "share" an interface |
| 11:26.03 | Esine | well, they use the same physical interface.. I don't know the proper term |
| 11:26.11 | mjt | they share a (virtual) switch usually, or something like (linux bridges) |
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| 11:26.25 | Esine | yes, xen bridges and esx switch |
| 11:26.45 | Esine | how does kvm do it then? |
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| 11:27.16 | mjt | what i mean is -- if all your guests connects to the same bridge, there's no big reason to have different routing tables in guests. |
| 11:27.29 | mjt | kvm works the same way |
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| 11:27.45 | mjt | either bridged or routed networking, like in xen |
| 11:27.49 | Esine | but what if they have ips in different networks and different default gateways, mjt? |
| 11:28.05 | mjt | sure it's possible and it works |
| 11:28.10 | Esine | ok! :) |
| 11:28.33 | dutchfish | mjt, apart from live-migrating atm ;) |
| 11:28.49 | mjt | just.. makes less sense. At least, if your host has 2 NICs (or vlans etc), there may be 2 bridges and 2 sets of guests |
| 11:29.01 | Esine | hm yeah, that is indeed one big reason to use vmware or xen |
| 11:29.14 | mjt | which reason? |
| 11:29.20 | Esine | live migration |
| 11:29.21 | mjt | kvm has live migration since long time |
| 11:29.24 | Esine | and vmware has ram snapshots |
| 11:29.27 | Esine | oh! I did not know |
| 11:29.32 | mjt | and snapshots too |
| 11:29.41 | dutchfish | Esine, i meant xen |
| 11:29.46 | Esine | really? Do you mean snapshots of the whole state, mjt? |
| 11:29.51 | mjt | not only ram but complete system image can be snapshotted, together with all disks |
| 11:29.57 | Esine | Yes |
| 11:30.03 | dutchfish | mjt, confirmed |
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| 11:30.13 | Esine | I didn't know kvm matches the others in those features |
| 11:30.15 | mjt | well, it all has.. issues. |
| 11:30.32 | mjt | like, snapshots requires certain virtual disk format which is slower than others. |
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| 11:31.10 | dutchfish | and xen needs a heartbeath volume for migration |
| 11:31.11 | mjt | (because it needs to keep some structure of snapshots/cow/etc) |
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| 11:34.25 | dutchfish | mjt, apropos do you know if unionfs in userland within kvm guest does function properly because aprently yesterday i ofund out that unionfs-modules-srouce is rmeoved from debina repos |
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| 11:34.54 | mjt | unionfs has nothing to do with kvm |
| 11:35.01 | dutchfish | mjt, sure |
| 11:35.07 | mjt | it sorta works but also has issues |
| 11:35.15 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:35.28 | mjt | i don't use debian kernel and boot packages, but in my kernel .debs I include unionfs modules |
| 11:35.51 | mjt | use it on diskless workstations and live CD |
| 11:35.54 | dutchfish | mjt, yes, up to 2.6.29 is declared stable |
| 11:36.19 | mjt | there was no unionfs for 2.6.30 until about a week ago |
| 11:36.26 | dutchfish | mjt, still isnt |
| 11:36.31 | mjt | no |
| 11:36.35 | mjt | look into their website |
| 11:36.50 | mjt | (debian != whole world, did you know? :) |
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| 11:37.48 | maligor | Quick, we need a tranquilizer, he's speaking strange things! |
| 11:37.48 | dutchfish | mjt, oh wow it apeared apprently last night, holy ... |
| 11:37.52 | mjt | the one for 2.6.29 had a bug (actually just a warning backtrace) in 2.6.30. Now they uploaded version for 2.6.30 whith that stuff corrected |
| 11:38.05 | mjt | nope not last night -- I use it at least a week already |
| 11:38.10 | mjt | but i repeat myself |
| 11:38.27 | dutchfish | mjt, cool, on my way thta certianly eases my task |
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| 11:38.59 | mjt | but anyway, unionfs patch for 2.6.29 works with 2.6.30 kernel (apart that warning on first use) |
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| 11:39.25 | dutchfish | mjt, no, its not on there git yet: http://git.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/ |
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| 11:39.52 | mjt | so they moved development elsewhere.. i dunno |
| 11:39.59 | dutchfish | \mjtok, good to know |
| 11:40.02 | mjt | i use http://unionfs.filesystems.org |
| 11:40.08 | mjt | and always used |
| 11:40.23 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:40.42 | mjt | aha, i've that git tree cloned here too.. it is quite old, and i know what's up with it |
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| 11:40.54 | dutchfish | mjt, oh? |
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| 11:41.11 | mjt | they tried to submit unionfs to mainline and prepared the git tree. But it was rejected/ |
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| 11:41.22 | dutchfish | mjt, ah ic |
| 11:41.50 | dutchfish | mjt, and this: http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/unionfs.html |
| 11:42.08 | mjt | i don't use debian kernels :) |
| 11:42.21 | dutchfish | mjt, i still do |
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| 11:42.48 | dutchfish | mjt, but thats a personal flavor |
| 11:43.03 | mjt | no one else uses my kernels! :) |
| 11:43.24 | dutchfish | mjt, oh, where? |
| 11:43.38 | Esine | mjt has a secret stash of kernels! |
| 11:43.52 | dutchfish | Esine, we all have |
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| 11:44.27 | mjt | not secret really. http://www.corpit.ru/debian/tls/kernel/ -- this repo is used for some other stuff and folks too. |
| 11:45.37 | saritha | Anyone from India? You may want to check this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7691144#post7691144 |
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| 11:46.20 | abrotman | yay spam |
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| 11:48.36 | jelly | "You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page" |
| 11:48.55 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's not spam ? |
| 11:48.57 | jelly | if it's spam, it's somewhat of a failure |
| 11:49.17 | abrotman | that's like saying spam in a language i can't read isn't spam ... |
| 11:49.42 | jelly | но Ð¸Ñ Ð¸ÑÐ½Ñ |
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| 11:49.59 | abrotman | exactly |
| 11:50.03 | mjt | jelly: lol |
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| 11:51.00 | jelly | abrotman: spam which fails to reach the recipient failed |
| 11:51.16 | abrotman | it did reach you .. you clicked on it |
| 11:51.24 | jelly | I didn't read it. |
| 11:51.57 | saritha | wonders what the discussion is about. |
| 11:51.59 | abrotman | you still clicked on it .. you reacted to unwanted items |
| 11:52.06 | abrotman | saritha: please don't spam here again |
| 11:52.28 | saritha | i just gave a link from ubuntu forums |
| 11:52.29 | jelly | there's no proof it's spam in the UCE sense |
| 11:52.39 | abrotman | why? because it's not email? |
| 11:52.51 | abrotman | saritha: it's unwanted .. take it elsewhere |
| 11:52.56 | saritha | k |
| 11:53.04 | jelly | because there's no proof for the U and C part, either |
| 11:53.09 | mjt | ok, one line (be it spam or not) resulted in a discussion which is definitely an offtopic for #debian |
| 11:53.28 | abrotman | hardly solicited |
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| 11:53.29 | jelly | mjt: that's always fun to do when the channel is idle |
| 11:53.35 | Esine | I don't understand what you are talking about either. You guys think its spam because the url reads "ubuntu"? |
| 11:53.46 | Esine | those damn africans argh |
| 11:53.56 | jelly | Esine: it's unsolicited and possibly offtopic. |
| 11:54.10 | saritha | ok.. so you mean if it was posted on some site with Url debian it would not have been spam?? |
| 11:54.17 | saritha | thats lame |
| 11:54.22 | abrotman | there's no context, no one asked for it, no explaination, and if it were really important news, it'd likely be mirrored some place more respectable than a forum |
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| 11:54.44 | jelly | a forum with read restrictions |
| 11:54.47 | abrotman | and still .. no one knows what it says because no one logged in to read it :) |
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| 11:55.07 | jelly | exactly. So if it's spam (I don't know whether it is), it's a failure. |
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| 11:55.51 | maxagaz | sshd is equivalent to openssh-server ? |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:08.21 | spenap | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.22 | spenap | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.32 | spenap | sorry, had sth in the buffer |
| 12:08.40 | spenap | and click mouse 2nd button |
| 12:08.41 | spenap | :S |
| 12:08.48 | Ace2027_- | hi |
| 12:08.48 | Esine | :) |
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| 12:08.54 | Ace2027_- | are there different types of ARM cpu? |
| 12:09.01 | Esine | Ace2027_-: there sure are |
| 12:09.12 | Ace2027_- | Can packages downloaded from debian's ARM repo be used on amobile phone's ARM processor? |
| 12:09.15 | Esine | ARM7, ARM9 and their differnet versions |
| 12:09.43 | jelly | Ace2027_-: it depends. There are at least two different ABIs for arm in use. |
| 12:09.55 | pif | hi, how do I have modprobe look for modules in a non-default directory? |
| 12:09.59 | Esine | And I think ARM can be either big endian or little endian |
| 12:10.25 | Esine | pif: you can use insmod |
| 12:10.31 | Esine | insmod /path/to/module.ko |
| 12:10.34 | Ace2027_- | the mobile cpu is ARM11 i think |
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| 12:11.09 | Ace2027_- | however it does have a kernel working, its running android, i was hoping to modify the android image and put debian on it so i can use it for another purpose |
| 12:11.40 | Shadowcat | installs Windows Mobile on Ace2027_- 's smartphone |
| 12:11.44 | Shadowcat | just for the hell of it |
| 12:11.58 | Esine | I don't know if that's possible Ace2027_-, they may be locking android onto the phone somehow |
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| 12:12.16 | Ace2027_- | Esine: the phone came with windows mobile, then ported to android/linux |
| 12:12.20 | Esine | oh ahh |
| 12:12.21 | Esine | I see |
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| 12:13.20 | Ace2027_- | actually gentoo might just be the one to use here, not sure |
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| 12:13.55 | abrotman | there is an ARM channel on OFTC |
| 12:14.07 | Ace2027_- | oh, i'll go there |
| 12:14.21 | Esine | Since when is OFTC the new freenode? |
| 12:14.29 | Ace2027_- | its not |
| 12:14.37 | Ace2027_- | but debian's main channel is there |
| 12:14.40 | Esine | Hm ok |
| 12:14.40 | Ace2027_- | again i have no idea why |
| 12:15.22 | Ace2027_- | abrotman: that channel looks dead to me |
| 12:15.38 | abrotman | Ace2027_-: as in no one there, or no one talking ? |
| 12:15.46 | Ace2027_- | empty |
| 12:15.54 | abrotman | there are 30 people in it |
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| 12:16.23 | Ace2027_- | is it called #arm ? |
| 12:16.23 | Esine | what is the channel name? #arm? #debian-arm? |
| 12:16.37 | abrotman | #debian-arm |
| 12:16.46 | Ace2027_- | ah |
| 12:16.56 | Ace2027_- | now i'm there |
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| 12:17.15 | Ace2027_- | i know people have gotten debian working on a HTC G1 |
| 12:17.36 | maligor | why would you want to? :) |
| 12:17.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | so you can run debian probably |
| 12:17.50 | Esine | for science! |
| 12:17.50 | abrotman | maligor: "because you can" |
| 12:17.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Same reason you'd want to run it on a Freerunner |
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| 12:19.14 | maligor | emdebian crush might be something slightly more appropriate |
| 12:20.24 | McL0VIN | I need help setting up an email server, i have never done this before and my knowledge is limited is there a guide tutorial or anything from that sort! i am trying to use Lenny+postfix and DynDNS |
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| 12:21.58 | Titan8990 | McL0VIN, A) there are problems with SMTP + dynamic dns B) Email servers are the my highly configurable and arguably difficult of all server roles |
| 12:22.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | dynamic dns mail servers are a good way to wind up on rbls |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | are the my ? |
| 12:22.36 | Terminus | and entire consumer IP blocks are already on rbls.. |
| 12:22.57 | abrotman | McL0VIN: you'll likely never be able to send email to any real recipients .. |
| 12:24.38 | McL0VIN | abrotman: but i want to experince it, and then maybe i can add a static ip address |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | McL0VIN: postfix.org has pretty decent documentation |
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| 12:25.39 | abrotman | also if you're more into books .. ISTR that oreilly has a decent sized postfix book |
| 12:25.56 | Terminus | McL0VIN: you might want to try just install postfix, starting the server, and telnet localhost 25. if you get a response, you know it at least works. then you can start working on the zillion or so configuration options. |
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| 12:27.12 | Terminus | McL0VIN: if you're successful at running postfix, next thing you might want to consider is running a POP3/IMAP server. dovecot is a good choice. |
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| 12:28.00 | stas__ | yeah dovecot+postfix is a great combination :) |
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| 12:28.39 | Terminus | i just run zimbra. it's such a hog though. XD |
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| 12:29.02 | abrotman | and has many of its own packages .. that replace debian packages |
| 12:29.26 | McL0VIN | Terminus: i got 220 mydomain.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
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| 12:29.50 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
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| 12:30.48 | Titan8990 | don't forget to add STARTTLS for ssl |
| 12:31.43 | Terminus | McL0VIN: what abrotman said. you'll want to check the documentation as he said too for domain configuration, trusted ip ranges, etc. |
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| 12:32.13 | Terminus | oh, and SMTP auth. open relays are bad. |
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| 12:33.15 | abrotman | it's a DHCP range ... they shouldn't allow incoming 25 .. and probably don't allow outgoing |
| 12:33.41 | abrotman | McL0VIN: who is your ISP? |
| 12:33.54 | McL0VIN | abrotman: surewest |
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| 12:34.01 | Terminus | abrotman: true that... i forgot about that part. i love my ISP. no port blocking at all! |
| 12:34.35 | abrotman | Terminus: maybe they should block outgoing 6667 ? :) |
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| 12:34.55 | Terminus | i've had to use an alternate port on my office server so that people can use it while traveling though. =/ |
| 12:35.05 | Terminus | abrotman: you're evil. you want me off IRC. =( |
| 12:35.07 | Esine | my ISP doesn't even offer DHCP :/ You "have to" (have freedom to) buy public IPs. luckily they are very cheap and one time price only |
| 12:35.16 | Esine | +static |
| 12:35.26 | abrotman | Terminus: that's the hotel wifi .. (you mean the submission port right?) |
| 12:35.26 | Terminus | assumes that meant block packets with destination port 6667 |
| 12:35.31 | dutchfish | hi, is preseed/file=/cdrom/preseed/sa.seed a valid kline? |
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| 12:36.31 | Terminus | abrotman: errr... i never actually considered using the submission port. still i just wanted it to work so i placed a redirect on the firewall. at least i'm sure it'll work even in dubai. =D |
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| 12:37.06 | abrotman | adding the submission port to postfix is pretty easy |
| 12:38.04 | mjt | it's already in default master.cf |
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| 12:38.15 | Terminus | abrotman: i figure. i wasn't really sure if any country out there blocks the submission port. anyway, the redirect solution also works. =) |
| 12:38.36 | mjt | countries don't block ports. Providers does. |
| 12:38.58 | Terminus | fine. providers in other countries. =P |
| 12:39.20 | Esine | mjt: except china maybe.. |
| 12:39.26 | enouf | asks Esine if he'd like "purchase" a _Freedom Chair_ along with his new ISP Plan :-p |
| 12:39.42 | mjt | and actually there ARE cases of submission port blocking. |
| 12:39.51 | mjt | or, rather, redirecting to their own mailhubs |
| 12:40.02 | mjt | as stupid as they are... ;) |
| 12:40.12 | enouf | a 'JoeThePlumber_amphi_blessed' one |
| 12:40.43 | Terminus | mjt: well, that would still be a problem for me. i just went with a solution that i figured had a pretty high chance of working. =) |
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| 12:41.08 | mjt | it really has pretty high chance |
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| 12:44.14 | abrotman | mjt: some countries are the provider ... |
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| 12:45.00 | enouf | abrotman: et al, a sincere Q.; is it possible that a large wireless service carrier (cough*AT+T*cough) can block certain people's laptops (either through Firewalling, and/or storing certain cookies, or worse) when they try to connect at say .. a local starbucks or |
| 12:45.21 | abrotman | you mean block say .. your MAC ? |
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| 12:45.51 | enouf | abrotman: bingo .. you just set off the bell |
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| 12:46.10 | abrotman | enouf: i'm not sure if you mean at the network level or the application level |
| 12:46.39 | enouf | abrotman: from 'browsing', but yeah, i meant the network level |
| 12:47.01 | abrotman | enouf: the little netgear/dlink things have the ability to block by MAC |
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| 12:47.30 | Esine | but.. no one knows your MAC address beyond the local network |
| 12:47.31 | enouf | abrotman: and now that i think about it - one window-using-only-buddy says he cannot connect to get his mail from a certain large webmail |
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| 12:47.54 | enouf | abrotman: i think it's an acer netbook? |
| 12:47.56 | Esine | (also ip link addr ) |
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| 12:48.33 | enouf | abrotman: you mean the Slugs? |
| 12:48.35 | abrotman | enouf: but only from one store? but he can surf the rest of the web? |
| 12:48.43 | abrotman | enouf: no, the hardware wifi router thingies |
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| 12:49.15 | mjt | speaking of acer notebooks... any hints on how to make various "extra" keys work? Like euro/dollar keys near arrow keys, wifi and bluetooth keys, screen swith on/off key etc? |
| 12:49.43 | mjt | kernel screams about undefined scancodes for each of them |
| 12:49.58 | enouf | abrotman: no, .. and yes, for example, he _can_ connect from his netbook AND their kiosks _when at another place_ that's known to use a different wireless providor |
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| 12:50.22 | abrotman | sounds like a network issue .. i'd ask others if they have the same problem |
| 12:50.23 | extfsfail | hello |
| 12:50.31 | enouf | abrotman: aren't slugs == hardware wifi router thingies ? |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | !slug |
| 12:50.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See http://www.slug.org.au/ for further details, #slug on irc.freenode.net. A slang term for the Linksys <NSLU2>, an ARM device with 2 USB 2.0 ports and a 10/100 ethernet port. |
| 12:50.50 | abrotman | no .. the nslu2 is basically a NAS |
| 12:50.51 | Esine | extfsfail your name is concerning |
| 12:50.54 | enouf | abrotman: i told him to attempt to connect using a friend's PC, when at starbucks |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | mjt: maybe lineakd |
| 12:51.09 | extfsfail | I need an expert of ext3 filesystem, I need to recover a damaged ext partition |
| 12:51.09 | SPF | how do I escape $ in tcsh like echo "more than $40" ? |
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| 12:51.23 | abrotman | SPF: \ ? |
| 12:51.23 | jelly | extfsfail: #linuxfs, irc.oftc.net |
| 12:51.24 | enouf | abrotman: yep, the NSLU2 is exactly what i menat |
| 12:51.28 | enouf | that's a slug |
| 12:51.33 | SPF | abrotman: that doesn't work |
| 12:51.34 | abrotman | yes .. it's not a router .. |
| 12:51.54 | maligor | jelly, umm.. he says ext, not xfs |
| 12:51.57 | yurikoles | how to convert ntfs to ext4? |
| 12:52.14 | mjt | lol |
| 12:52.14 | enouf | throws hands in the air ... but is not upset at all |
| 12:52.15 | jelly | maligor: yes, and? |
| 12:52.30 | SPF | echo "more than $40" will result in echo "more than \ |
| 12:52.37 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 12:52.37 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
| 12:52.38 | maligor | jelly, oh, misread :P |
| 12:52.39 | SPF | err with \ |
| 12:52.40 | enouf | the shit you install and run dd-wrt, tomato, openwrt on |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | maligor: the channel is #linuxfs .. as in 'linux fs' |
| 12:53.33 | extfsfail | thank you jelly |
| 12:53.51 | enouf | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/NoInitramfs |
| 12:54.04 | enouf | look at ethe Projects column along left side |
| 12:54.38 | JyZyXEL | !lirc |
| 12:54.39 | dpkg | [lirc] Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://www.lirc.org |
| 12:55.50 | enouf | extfsfail: /msg dpkg undelete -- however, i bet that channel has all the relevant info |
| 12:56.16 | enouf | is in too many channels on too many nets as it is |
| 12:56.34 | mjt | enouf is enouf... ;) |
| 12:56.44 | mjt | (almost correctly spelled ;) |
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| 12:57.58 | JyZyXEL | lirc is fucking hard to get to work |
| 12:58.54 | enouf | mjt: yes, i _am_ enouf .. for anyone :-P |
| 12:59.18 | enouf | JyZyXEL: nah -- it's IrDA .. no porbs |
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| 12:59.40 | JyZyXEL | enouf: trying to get USB IR receiver/transmitter to work |
| 12:59.58 | enouf | they are HIDs |
| 13:00.20 | JyZyXEL | i guess so |
| 13:00.22 | enouf | JyZyXEL: is evdev loaded? (not sure it's relevant -but would seem so) |
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| 13:00.52 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 13:00.57 | mjt | HIDs or serial devices |
| 13:01.03 | enouf | JyZyXEL: is udevd running? does /sys/class/net show the iface? |
| 13:01.07 | pozic | How can I remove a package without aptitude or apt-get failing? I get the following error message: http://paste.debian.net/42844/ |
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| 13:01.16 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't |
| 13:01.40 | mjt | it's not a network device |
| 13:01.42 | abrotman | pozic: touch /usr/lib/ghc-6.8.2/bin/ghc-pkg |
| 13:01.42 | enouf | JyZyXEL: grep through /etc/udev/ for whatever IrDAs are usually named as |
| 13:01.53 | enouf | mjt: yes it is |
| 13:02.02 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 13:02.12 | mjt | here it's present as a COM-port (ttyUSB0 etc) |
| 13:02.19 | JyZyXEL | someone fucked up with the debian lirc package |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | IRDA can be used for network .. |
| 13:02.24 | JyZyXEL | its not loading any kernel modules |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: maybe you screwed it up ... |
| 13:02.35 | JyZyXEL | maybe |
| 13:02.52 | mjt | but i can't say which receiver it is (it's @home and the machine is turned off) |
| 13:02.52 | SPF | abrotman: echo "more than "'$'"40" |
| 13:02.53 | enouf | JyZyXEL: stop being silly please |
| 13:03.12 | SPF | that works |
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| 13:03.16 | abrotman | SPF: that's just goofy .. this is why people don't use csh any more :) |
| 13:03.18 | mjt | SPF: just add a backslash (\) before dollar sign |
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| 13:03.24 | abrotman | SPF: and i used to use it! |
| 13:03.34 | SPF | mjt: doesnt work in tcsh |
| 13:03.35 | hun7er | hello everyone. |
| 13:03.37 | mjt | bah |
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| 13:03.46 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 13:03.51 | abrotman | shakes |
| 13:03.57 | man_in_shack | so i'm still trying to fix this ia32-apt-get issue |
| 13:04.10 | man_in_shack | with libopenal-dev not getting renamed to ia32-libopenal-dev |
| 13:04.18 | hun7er | I've got a problem with fglrx driver on Debian Lenny 5.02 |
| 13:04.22 | man_in_shack | so there's both 32bit and 64bit versions with the same name |
| 13:04.24 | enouf | mjt: hrm .. or as say /dev/ttyAxx0 ? i wonder if /proc/ioports shows his COM ports (serial) |
| 13:04.33 | hun7er | give me a moment and I'll show you what it returns |
| 13:05.02 | mjt | mine is ttyUSB |
| 13:05.13 | mjt | but it's an oooold receiver |
| 13:05.14 | extfsfail | enouf, maybe you can help me, too |
| 13:05.21 | hun7er | http://wklej.org/id/127197/ |
| 13:05.31 | extfsfail | I'm not receiving any answer from #linuxfs |
| 13:05.43 | jelly | SPF: [t]csh must die. |
| 13:05.44 | man_in_shack | anyone have any tips for me? :) |
| 13:05.52 | man_in_shack | jelly, seconded |
| 13:05.54 | themill | man_in_shack: install i386 instead? |
| 13:05.59 | themill | hides |
| 13:06.03 | man_in_shack | glares at themill |
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| 13:06.18 | jelly | !highfive themill |
| 13:06.18 | dpkg | gives themill a big high-five |
| 13:06.53 | hun7er | yesterday I installed ati drivers but it didn't help :/ |
| 13:07.00 | jelly | extfsfail: thye are idle or have nothing sensible to contribute. Ask the ext3-users mailing list. |
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| 13:07.00 | JyZyXEL | is anyone using the debian lirc? |
| 13:07.08 | mjt | man_in_shack: this ia32-apt is still very new package |
| 13:07.10 | jelly | extfsfail: or wait a few hours there |
| 13:07.15 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about popcon |
| 13:07.19 | hun7er | X server starts but when I run fglrxinfo I get error as above |
| 13:07.23 | jelly | extfsfail: you didn't provide much data, either |
| 13:07.36 | JyZyXEL | yea but is anyone here using the lirc? |
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| 13:08.29 | hun7er | Major opcode of failed request: 166 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString) Serial number of failed request: 15 Current serial number in output stream: 15 |
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| 13:08.37 | hun7er | any ideas? :P |
| 13:10.08 | pozic | abrotman: touch: cannot touch `/usr/lib/ghc-6.8.2/bin/ghc-pkg': No such file or directory |
| 13:10.41 | abrotman | pozic: mkdir -p /usr/lib/ghc-6.8.2/bin/ && touch /usr/lib/ghc-6.8.2/bin/ghc-pkg |
| 13:11.50 | man_in_shack | mjt, and it seems it's ALMOST working for me ;) |
| 13:11.56 | pozic | abrotman: now I get permission denied in the aptitude output for that file when it tries to remove it. |
| 13:12.01 | pozic | abrotman: owner is root:root |
| 13:12.42 | mjt | pozic: chmod +x it too |
| 13:12.43 | abrotman | pozic: and which user is trying to remove it ? |
| 13:12.55 | pozic | abrotman: root, but chmod 777 fixed it |
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| 13:13.07 | mjt | it needs to be executable |
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| 13:13.12 | pozic | update-alternatives: error: alternative rmiregistry can't be master: it is a slave of java |
| 13:13.36 | mjt | wug. |
| 13:13.47 | pozic | No other error messages during the setup of gij-4.3 |
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| 13:15.15 | pozic | I am not the only one with this issue: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-debian/2009-07/msg00741.html |
| 13:15.22 | man_in_shack | hah, i thought this program i wrote for uni ages ago wasn't 64bit-safe |
| 13:15.37 | man_in_shack | it wasn't, but after some quick hacking, turns out i was just giving it the wrong arguments |
| 13:17.01 | extfsfail | where can I read the "offset" of my ext filesystem? |
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| 13:19.02 | pozic | How can I remove a package without caring for deinstallation scripts? |
| 13:19.30 | streuner | why |
| 13:19.58 | enouf | extfsfail: you need bytes |
| 13:20.03 | stew | pozic: by editing the postrm, prerm scripts by hand and making them do nothing (perhaps by putting 'exit 0' near the top) |
| 13:20.09 | pozic | streuner: because I do not care for a few left over files and my time is more important than to figure out why some package that I don't care about doesn't work. |
| 13:20.17 | enouf | extfsfail: lshal, et al parted will tell you |
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| 13:20.37 | enouf | extfsfail: lshal, and/or parted will tell you |
| 13:21.11 | enouf | extfsfail: was the FS over LVM or RAID or anything? |
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| 13:22.24 | streuner | pozic: well, look what stew told you :-) |
| 13:22.32 | pozic | streuner: yes, working on it. |
| 13:22.40 | enouf | lvm2, or mdadm, or even hardare raided? extfsfail http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux |
| 13:22.58 | pozic | Still, this could also be in the UI as it is something that I use once every 8 months or so. |
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| 13:23.17 | pozic | By UI, I mean apt-get CLI interface. |
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| 13:23.57 | extfsfail | enouf, no virtual volumes, no raid, it's a scsi drive |
| 13:24.15 | streuner | pozic: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 13:24.36 | pozic | streuner: ii libc6 2.9-21 |
| 13:24.47 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 13:24.48 | judd | streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-21 |
| 13:25.23 | streuner | pozic: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 13:26.48 | pozic | streuner: I had to do some work, because locate was not installed anymore (no idea why apt decided to do that), but this part of the problem has now been solved. |
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| 13:27.10 | pozic | streuner: apt-list-bugs is also kind of pointless, since just about every package contains bugs. |
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| 13:28.00 | pozic | streuner: I did install it, since maybe the maintainers are a bit less verbose now. |
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| 13:29.19 | enouf | pozic: when was the last time you let/allowed all your /etc/cron.* to run, have you modified /etc/cronttab, and have you let updatedb run (see /etc/cron.*/find etc) |
| 13:30.13 | rgr | Has anyone here used the debian way to install latest nvidia drivers from unstable into lenny? I tried but ended up in a mess and had to revert. Just a confirmation it works might help! |
| 13:30.24 | enouf | pozic: i mean; /etc/cron.daily/locate ;-) |
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| 13:30.36 | enouf | pozic: 'find' is command within script ;-) |
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| 13:31.42 | enouf | well, findutils .. hrmph |
| 13:32.40 | enouf | ahh /etc/cron.daily/apt uses find directly |
| 13:32.55 | enouf | rgr: which kernel? |
| 13:33.18 | pozic | enouf: locate was not installed anymore, and since this is a desktop machine I let it run via anacron. |
| 13:33.27 | enouf | rgr: pretty sure it works - even with .30, BUT, it might depend on whether -legacy- drivers or not |
| 13:33.32 | rgr | lenny. 2.6.26-2-686. |
| 13:33.36 | rgr | and not legacy. |
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| 13:34.17 | enouf | pozic: hmm ... wouldn't anacron make more sense on a laptop or something that's rebooted more often than a desktop? |
| 13:34.21 | rgr | The problem is trying to find a how to which is correct. so many are incomplete or vague about what needs to be removed/installed and what versions. |
| 13:34.42 | enouf | rgr: wiki,debian,org - /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:34.55 | enouf | rgr: wiki,debian,org - /msg dpkg nvidia-glx (as well) |
| 13:35.14 | rgr | yes, I know how to google a wiki. But its vague and not concistent about what needs to come from unstable. |
| 13:35.21 | enouf | crap - /ig last |
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| 13:35.37 | rgr | I see google reports others with the same issue. Was hoping someone here had tried it. |
| 13:35.38 | pozic | enouf: computers use power when they are on and are not being used. |
| 13:35.40 | jelly | enouf: your dots are sick. Commatose, even. |
| 13:35.41 | enouf | rgr: all you need is to learn m-a correctly |
| 13:35.52 | rgr | enouf: I know how to use m-a. I use it a lot. |
| 13:35.56 | enouf | jelly: my hands are too big |
| 13:36.13 | jelly | that's what she said |
| 13:36.15 | jelly | NO WAIT |
| 13:36.16 | rgr | What I need to know is what needs to come from unstable and wha doesnt and what cleaning up has to be done first so that aptitude doesn't fall over :-( |
| 13:36.32 | enouf | pozic: so do wallwarts / briquettes - indeed |
| 13:36.34 | M06w | you're not supposed to run servers as root right? |
| 13:36.54 | jelly | M06w: servers? |
| 13:36.59 | M06w | apache |
| 13:37.07 | enouf | tickles jelly once again, to entice storytelling ;-) |
| 13:37.41 | jelly | M06w: apache starts as root and quickly turns to some other uid; it's an option in its config file. |
| 13:38.01 | jelly | M06w: why do you ask? |
| 13:38.33 | tempuser | a few days ago i was working with enouf on a TLS/libpam-ldap/libnss-ldap issue. when were done, we decided it was best to file a bug report. turns out the issue isn't really a bug, but more so a change in the way gnutls accepts certificates as valid. simply put gnutls will no longer accept certs signed with md2 or md5 algos. |
| 13:39.02 | M06w | jelly; apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 13:39.04 | abrotman | did you unfile your bug ? |
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| 13:39.28 | enouf | tempuser: hi - and thanks ... someone was here yesterday asking about gnutls+openssl+lftp -- and your prior incident came to mind |
| 13:39.48 | enouf | tempuser: however, i finally recalled how yours wass more LDAP related then? |
| 13:39.49 | asarch | Can you open MS Office 2007 documents with OpenOffice.org 2.x? |
| 13:39.53 | tempuser | enouf: it's quickly turning into a nightmare. |
| 13:40.02 | enouf | tempuser: uff |
| 13:40.04 | pozic | enouf: we remove those too, but TVs are on standby |
| 13:40.06 | asarch | The stable branch doesn't include the OpenOffice.org version 3.x |
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| 13:40.28 | mjt | asarch: backports.org has 3.1 |
| 13:40.36 | enouf | pozic: so long as it's WWII propoganda, it'll all work out :-p |
| 13:40.40 | tempuser | enouf: baically, if you have a CA that was signed with an MD5 algo, gnutls wont accept anymore |
| 13:40.55 | tempuser | it needs to be re-created with sha1 or higher |
| 13:40.59 | jelly | M06w: find where it is in the config file, read the comment next to it |
| 13:41.10 | enouf | tempuser: hrm .. oH .. what, due to possible collisions? |
| 13:41.21 | tempuser | enouf: i really don't know. |
| 13:41.23 | enouf | tempuser: security-related excuse? |
| 13:41.26 | enouf | ok |
| 13:41.26 | qiyong | does sid have pkg mirrors ? |
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| 13:41.40 | abrotman | qiyong: uh .. like all the mirrors? |
| 13:41.46 | tempuser | enouf: he eluded to the FED not endorsing the strength of MD5 anymore |
| 13:41.47 | qiyong | abrotman: sortof |
| 13:41.50 | abrotman | !tell qiyong about mirrors |
| 13:41.55 | M06w | jelly, my only confusion is that it used to work and I haven't even touched the apache2.conf file yet |
| 13:42.09 | enouf | tempuser: heh -- yeah |
| 13:42.09 | tempuser | enouf: which sounds about right.....i'm sure openssl will follow suit sometime in the near future. |
| 13:42.27 | pozic | enouf: ? |
| 13:42.37 | jelly | M06w: oh, this envvars thing is news to me as well |
| 13:42.41 | tempuser | so, now i tasked with a new issue. |
| 13:42.42 | pozic | enouf: you meant WWIII? |
| 13:42.43 | enouf | pozic: twas some twiste humor is all - nm |
| 13:42.50 | enouf | world war 2 |
| 13:42.51 | tempuser | how to re-create my md5 ca with a sha1 ca |
| 13:43.05 | pozic | enouf: oh, you meant the TV medium was old? |
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| 13:43.30 | enouf | pozic: well .. for some reason, i'm picturing you sitting and watching old hitler reruns :-P |
| 13:43.33 | yurikoles | >Setting up mono-1.0-gac (2.4+dfsg-6) |
| 13:43.37 | yurikoles | LOLWUT? |
| 13:43.40 | enouf | pozic: you shouldn't have asked :-) |
| 13:43.46 | tempuser | i'm sure this won't be the last time this issue comes up. |
| 13:43.47 | asarch | Thank you very much mjt |
| 13:43.48 | asarch | :-) |
| 13:43.52 | pozic | enouf: can I have what you are taking? |
| 13:44.03 | enouf | sends pozic a slice |
| 13:44.29 | jelly | yurikoles: is there a question you want to ask? |
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| 13:45.11 | tempuser | a question about CA's: now that i am being forced to use sha1, how do i go about updating my CA? (i use easy-rsa packaged with openvpn) |
| 13:45.40 | tempuser | as soon as i do that, will all of my child certs become invalid? |
| 13:45.41 | yurikoles | >mono-1.0-gac 2.4 |
| 13:45.49 | abrotman | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Creating_and_Using_a_self_signed__SSL_Certificates_in_debian like that? |
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| 13:46.40 | enouf | tempuser: no idea offhand really, but does man x509 /convert do anything for ya? |
| 13:46.55 | yurikoles | mono-1.0-gac 2.4 |
| 13:46.56 | yurikoles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:47.11 | M06w | jelly, as far as I can tell the user and group specified exist |
| 13:47.41 | jelly | yurikoles: ... try using words to construct sentences. Use sentences to convey a coherent thought to other people. |
| 13:48.10 | tempuser | abrotman: i've seen that before. unfortunately, it doesn't deal with re-creating the CA itself or issuing a new intermediate CA in my case. |
| 13:48.19 | yurikoles | why version of mono-1.0 is 2.4? |
| 13:48.26 | d1b | tempuser: you need a NEW cert |
| 13:49.54 | jelly | yurikoles: because it is? |
| 13:49.54 | tempuser | d1b: thats what i thought. so what happens to all of the 1000 old certs issued/signed by the previous md5 CA? |
| 13:49.54 | abrotman | invalidated |
| 13:49.54 | tempuser | dough! |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | if i understand them correctly |
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| 13:50.29 | zmen01 | is there a way to cat a file and filter all lines where the 4,5,6st char is 990 ? |
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| 13:50.36 | enouf | recalls some SSL DSA issue not that long ago ;-) |
| 13:50.37 | zmen01 | are 990* ? |
| 13:50.47 | yurikoles | Mutually exclusive paragraphs |
| 13:50.59 | enouf | zmen01: i think head can do char count |
| 13:51.00 | stew | zmen01: grep -v '^...990' file |
| 13:51.21 | enouf | but as mentioned, you have keyword, not char count - my bad |
| 13:51.24 | zmen01 | stew, and what if on char 30,31,32 ? |
| 13:51.33 | abrotman | you said 4,5,6! |
| 13:51.36 | zmen01 | :) |
| 13:51.44 | stew | zmen01: egrep -v '^.{29}990' |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | zmen01: are you just looking for all instances of "990" ? |
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| 13:52.05 | enouf | zmen01: grep filters via line - but you likely want to know regex, as stew is showing you |
| 13:52.20 | tempuser | so what happens when a CA expires? this is basically the same scenario. |
| 13:52.29 | zmen01 | no only on char 4,5,6 and 30,31,32 |
| 13:52.31 | enouf | zmen01: install rutebook, read - it's pretty nice ;-) |
| 13:52.33 | zmen01 | but got it thx |
| 13:52.41 | tempuser | except that i'm 'expiring' the ca ahead of schedule. |
| 13:52.42 | stew | zmen01: that says "after the beginning of the line (^) there are 29 characters ({29}) I dont' care about (.), then try to match 990. if you do, throw that line away (-v) |
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| 13:53.33 | naiv | i have a file named "?" and i can't rename it !! :) |
| 13:53.52 | stew | naiv: mv \? othername |
| 13:53.58 | tempuser | i can't see the progression of certificates being like this create ca -> issue certs -> time to expire-> re-create ca -> re-issue all new certs. |
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| 13:53.58 | enouf | naiv: try mv ./?, and mv -- ? somefile |
| 13:54.01 | enouf | bah |
| 13:54.08 | jelly | naiv: or you can put the name in "?" or '?' |
| 13:54.20 | naiv | mv: ne peut évaluer `?': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type |
| 13:54.26 | stew | ? would be tripping up the shell gobbing, not the mv command itself |
| 13:54.36 | enouf | naiv: LANG=C command |
| 13:54.55 | enouf | but eval is eval :-) |
| 13:54.59 | jelly | ... assuming it's really a question mark and not a way for the shell to represent an unprintable character |
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| 13:55.25 | enouf | right - or there's not some underlying FS mishap |
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| 13:55.39 | jelly | naiv: does " ls -lf ./? " show it? |
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| 13:56.03 | naiv | $ ls -lf ./? |
| 13:56.04 | naiv | ./? |
| 13:56.12 | stew | you want a \ before ? |
| 13:56.14 | naiv | LANG=C mv \? othername |
| 13:56.15 | naiv | mv: cannot stat `?': No such file or directory |
| 13:56.18 | jelly | stew: no |
| 13:56.22 | stew | no? |
| 13:56.29 | stew | you want the shell to try to glob it? |
| 13:56.32 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:56.37 | stew | oh |
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| 13:56.49 | jelly | naiv: now, do a ls -f ./? | hexdump -C |
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| 13:56.55 | stew | ahh |
| 13:56.59 | stew | i see where you are going |
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| 13:57.10 | enouf | goes along for the ride |
| 13:57.16 | naiv | $ ls -f ./? | hexdump -C |
| 13:57.16 | naiv | 00000000 2e 2f 07 0a |./..| |
| 13:57.16 | naiv | 00000004 |
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| 13:57.28 | jelly | nice, it's a ^G |
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| 13:57.45 | stew | jelly: good catch |
| 13:57.52 | jelly | naiv: is it important? |
| 13:57.55 | naiv | i understand nothing lol |
| 13:58.02 | enouf | plays along at home with; ~$ echo '?' | hexdump -C |
| 13:58.03 | jelly | rm ./? will remove it. |
| 13:58.23 | stew | naiv: the file isnt' named "?" its named "BEL" where BEL being an ascii 7 character which means "ring the system bell" |
| 13:58.42 | enouf | then remove the ' s and see's something else :-P |
| 13:58.48 | jelly | naiv: the file name is an unprintable control character. The shell replaces is with ? because it... can't print it |
| 13:58.54 | enouf | removes* |
| 13:59.08 | naiv | oh, you right rm ./? worked ! |
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| 13:59.27 | jelly | enouf: touch $'\a' |
| 13:59.41 | naiv | thank you i see this file since weeks lol |
| 13:59.43 | stew | naiv: that removed all single character filenames from the current directory |
| 13:59.50 | jelly | now you have your very own ^G file |
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| 14:00.13 | jelly | stew: we confirmed with ls that was the only one, though |
| 14:00.36 | naiv | you are very pro |
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| 14:01.01 | enouf | jelly: haha .. ok .. but i cannot find it :-) |
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| 14:01.32 | enouf | jelly: every ls i attempt on it fails |
| 14:01.37 | jelly | it's called beep |
| 14:01.52 | jelly | cannot insert a ^G in xchat |
| 14:02.18 | enouf | whips out find and uses the -mtime option ... |
| 14:02.21 | jelly | enouf: you have the ls right up there in the channel. |
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| 14:02.43 | enouf | ~$ find . -mtime -1 |
| 14:02.44 | enouf | . |
| 14:02.44 | enouf | ./? |
| 14:02.47 | enouf | bingo ;-) |
| 14:03.00 | jelly | -mmin, too |
| 14:03.09 | jelly | (minutes) |
| 14:03.11 | enouf | jelly: weird - thought i attempted that/those |
| 14:03.13 | enouf | thanks |
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| 14:05.05 | enouf | just ls'd THREE files like that in his $HOME ... uff .. /me rm'd them all now ;-) |
| 14:05.37 | enouf | one was './p' , the other './1' .. and finally the jelly './?' |
| 14:06.49 | jelly | has fourteen blah* |
| 14:07.00 | naiv | how did you know that was a ^G with hexdump ? |
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| 14:07.10 | enouf | man ascii ? |
| 14:07.17 | jelly | naiv: 07 = ^G |
| 14:07.38 | jelly | 00 = ^@, 01 = ^A, 02 = ^B ... |
| 14:07.38 | naiv | lol you have a poster with ASCII codes ? :) |
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| 14:07.50 | naiv | oh ok :D |
| 14:07.50 | jelly | no, I can count to seven |
| 14:07.57 | enouf | naiv: man console_codes as well |
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| 14:08.40 | enouf | liable: !! |
| 14:09.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.37 | liable | heh, that was a mistake.. |
| 14:09.43 | liable | hello though |
| 14:10.05 | enouf | hiya - i asked about you for some odd reason .. yesterday |
| 14:10.31 | liable | missed it, bad net access |
| 14:10.55 | nish | hi, I wonder if anyone can help me with a gdb question |
| 14:11.08 | nish | Can I use gdb to list what subroutines are called and in what order? |
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| 14:11.39 | liable | if it has symbols, yes |
| 14:11.44 | enouf | nish: i personally don't know offhand -- try ##kernel ? |
| 14:11.51 | brutus | how do I get lm-sensors to detect my fan speed? |
| 14:12.00 | enouf | brutus: lenny? |
| 14:12.06 | nike | Hi, when I wake my laptop (thinkpad X301) up from sleep, half the time (or more) my wireless card is disabled, and syslog gives me an error saying <IRQ> [<ffffffff8027fd2b>] ? __report_bad_irq+0x30/0x7d |
| 14:12.14 | nike | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.17 | nike | nobody cared |
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| 14:12.36 | nike | This is with the ath9k driver, but I don't know if it's a motherboard thing or a driver thing or what |
| 14:12.47 | enouf | nike: prior to sleep, modprobe -r <NIC-module-name> ? |
| 14:12.54 | nish | liable: How? I have compiled it with the -ggdb3 flag. |
| 14:13.15 | enouf | nish: likely an /etc/acpi* script thing |
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| 14:13.23 | enouf | er nike , not nish |
| 14:13.29 | nike | enouf: I'm pretty sure the ath9k module it always loaded |
| 14:13.39 | enouf | nike: if not a wifi module param thing |
| 14:13.51 | nike | Like, if it's disabled and I sleep right away again and wake up, there's a chance it'll randomly be working again |
| 14:14.03 | enouf | nike: checkout ##ibmthinkpad and #wireless as well |
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| 14:16.13 | enouf | nike: might also depend on whether you're using 'hibernate' or 's2ram' or 's2disk' .. ACPI can be hellish :-P |
| 14:16.56 | nike | enouf: I'm pretty sure this is normal sleep which I thought to be s2ram |
| 14:17.11 | enouf | nike: did it ever work correctly? If so, and you use s2disk - maybe swapoff, and overwrite with dd and /dev/zero, then swapon |
| 14:17.18 | enouf | oh |
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| 14:18.23 | enouf | nike: "nike> Like, if it's disabled and..." do you mean as in the physical On/Off switch on the case? |
| 14:18.45 | enouf | (is there even one?) |
| 14:18.49 | nike | enouf: No, that switch is always on |
| 14:19.01 | enouf | nike: do you mean ifdown then? |
| 14:19.03 | nike | It's definitely like, a software thing. IRQ is unavailable. |
| 14:19.11 | enouf | does ls /sys/class/net show the iface? |
| 14:19.30 | nike | I just have to close the lid again and re-awaken it from sleep (maybe multiple times) to get it working again |
| 14:19.33 | enouf | nike: there are software and hardware interrupts |
| 14:19.38 | nike | I don't know, it's working right now |
| 14:20.23 | enouf | nike: might it be cpufreq related? or perhaps even NO_HZ related? |
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| 14:20.44 | enouf | whose kernel? and is laptop-mode installed and used? |
| 14:21.20 | nike | 2.6.30 in sid |
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| 14:21.37 | jelly | do debian kernels have NO_HZ? |
| 14:21.47 | enouf | jelly: i don't think it's set? |
| 14:21.50 | nike | enouf: laptop-mode-tools is not installed |
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| 14:22.05 | enouf | nike: are acpi-support-* pkgs installed? |
| 14:22.17 | enouf | nike: or even just dpkg -l acpi* |
| 14:22.20 | jelly | they do. |
| 14:22.26 | jelly | /boot/config-2.6.22.1-ck1:CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 14:22.26 | jelly | /boot/config-2.6.26-2-686:CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 14:22.26 | jelly | /boot/config-2.6.28-1-686:CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 14:22.26 | jelly | /boot/config-2.6.31-rc2-686-bigmem:CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 14:22.26 | jelly | /boot/config-2.6.31-rc4-686-bigmem:CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
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| 14:22.51 | jelly | (all debian with the exception of the first one) |
| 14:22.55 | enouf | ~$ grep NO_HZ /boot/config-2.6.29-2-686 |
| 14:22.55 | enouf | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 14:22.58 | enouf | indeed |
| 14:23.21 | jelly | steals enouf's HZ and goes to coffee |
| 14:23.49 | enouf | jelly: where's ck been? i mean, i know what happened - but is he doing something else / related? |
| 14:23.52 | nike | enouf: acpid, acpi-support-base, and powermgmt-base are installed |
| 14:23.56 | enouf | that was so sad ... uff |
| 14:24.00 | nike | acpi-support is not installed |
| 14:24.12 | enouf | nike: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 14:24.20 | jelly | enouf: not anything Linux related |
| 14:24.24 | enouf | nike: run update though |
| 14:24.31 | jelly | enouf: there's #ck on oftc |
| 14:24.33 | enouf | jelly: i see ... |
| 14:24.38 | enouf | Oh .. heh |
| 14:24.53 | nike | enouf: What package name? |
| 14:24.59 | enouf | nike: anyone you want ;-) |
| 14:25.03 | jelly | enouf: he's present from time to time. I maybe peeked in once this year |
| 14:25.26 | enouf | nike: i don't want to tell you to install specific pkgs if it's not going to help - and i'm not sure if any specific one would |
| 14:25.47 | enouf | jelly: hrmm .. ok - thanks |
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| 14:26.57 | uwjweq | Why is there printed a "D" in the terminal when I hit Shift + Back |
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| 14:30.20 | enouf | uwjweq: that doesn't happen here - perhaps http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Control_keys and man console_codes can help enlighten |
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| 14:30.54 | brutus_ | enouf, ubuntu, actually |
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| 14:32.28 | nike | enouf: I'm going to trying rmmod ath9k every sleep, and modprobe ath9k every wake |
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| 14:32.34 | nike | Where's the best script to do that? |
| 14:32.46 | enouf | brutus_: i forget your issue now, but please go to #ubuntu for any/all *buntu related questions |
| 14:33.09 | enouf | nike: i thought in /etc/acpi* somewhere |
| 14:33.25 | uwjweq | Controll keys do not explain the D |
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| 14:33.38 | enouf | nike: i thought there were like /SNN-scripts in maybe /etc/acpi.d/ or such? |
| 14:33.55 | enouf | uwjweq: why are you pressing Shift+Backspace? |
| 14:34.11 | enouf | what is it you expect it to do? |
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| 14:35.07 | uwjweq | enouf: I am hitting shift and the back button. I do not expect it to do anything. I just wonder how the Terminal thinks it would be usefull to produce D when I hit Shift + back. |
| 14:35.07 | enouf | and does it happen in an xterm, as well as console? |
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| 14:35.21 | enouf | uwjweq: try showkey, |
| 14:35.36 | enouf | and/or xmodmap for x |
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| 14:36.20 | enouf | uwjweq: the file /etc/console*/boottimekmap.gz should also be telling |
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| 14:37.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.32 | uwjweq | enouf: Thanks a lot. It might stay a mystery forever. But I can type DC very fast for all that it´s worth. |
| 14:37.42 | enouf | haha |
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| 14:42.39 | M06w | does samba actually work, at all? |
| 14:43.09 | geeree1 | I recently asked this on debian-user: is CUPS better or LPRng for network printing? |
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| 14:43.37 | jelly | uwjweq: it's not just D. It's a sequence with some control characters and D among them |
| 14:43.57 | jelly | uwjweq: try pressing ctrl-v, then your key combo |
| 14:44.01 | doubleclick | hi all ;) |
| 14:44.10 | geeree1 | It appears that the CUPS lpq command gives status only of the local print queue ... |
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| 14:44.13 | dondelelcaro | geeree1: depends what you're doing, but cups is probably easier to configure |
| 14:44.51 | geeree1 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Actually, all I want to do is view the *real* print queue. |
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| 14:44.58 | dondelelcaro | geeree1: use -h, see man lpq |
| 14:45.16 | geeree1 | The CUPS lpq command gives only the local print queue .. not the printer's print queue. |
| 14:45.47 | uwjweq | jelly: I see. But what does that mean? |
| 14:45.52 | geeree1 | But I see on some OpenSUSE systems in my organization that run LPRng that its lpq command is much more verbose |
| 14:46.08 | geeree1 | dondelelcaro: I'll try -h ... just a sec |
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| 14:48.37 | geeree1 | dondelelcaro: Strange .. when I do lpq -h 192.168.3.200 .. it says "Unable to connect to server" |
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| 14:48.47 | geeree1 | Although I can ping and print alright! |
| 14:49.04 | geeree1 | What is the print server port number? |
| 14:49.12 | HotShowers | what program can i use to search inside text files? |
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| 14:49.29 | abrotman | M06w: yes .. why do you think it doesn't ? |
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| 14:49.30 | HotShowers | want to list all files on my system with the word "127.0.0.1" for example |
| 14:49.32 | dondelelcaro | geeree1: that's for listing a printer with a cups print queue, iirc. the printer itself often doesn't report on such things |
| 14:49.38 | dondelelcaro | HotShowers: grep |
| 14:50.02 | yurikoles | what's purpose of linux-next git? |
| 14:50.06 | HotShowers | when i do "#grep -r 127.0.0.1" it takes days though |
| 14:50.17 | HotShowers | is there a way i tell it to search only .conf files? |
| 14:50.32 | dondelelcaro | HotShowers: find + grep + xargs |
| 14:50.59 | geeree1 | dondelelcaro: Right .. but see the two examples here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/07/msg01157.html |
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| 14:51.22 | geeree1 | So it seems the print server does support such things |
| 14:51.59 | geeree1 | In fact the LPRng lpq also shows jobs by other network users currently waiting in queue at this printer. |
| 14:52.47 | HotShowers | dondelelcaro: how does that work? |
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| 14:53.51 | Mark21 | hello, what package should I get with apt-get to get php5 with mysqli working on debian 5 (lenny)? |
| 14:53.53 | geeree1 | HotShowers: grep takes regular expressions so use grep '127\.0\.0\.1' see 'man regex' |
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| 14:54.33 | abrotman | HotShowers: read the documentation and figure it out .. |
| 14:54.56 | HotShowers | yeah spent almost an hour trying to work it out |
| 14:55.08 | themill | Mark21: /msg dpkg install php ; /msg dpkg install mysql |
| 14:55.18 | abrotman | don't just ask us to do it for you .. try some things .. see what does and doesn't work .. |
| 14:55.19 | HotShowers | what i am trying to do now is find all .conf files with the word "localhost" in them |
| 14:55.25 | jelly | uwjweq: that's the sequence that key generates. It's up to the application to interpret it |
| 14:55.37 | HotShowers | the problem is |
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| 14:55.40 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any known daemon to run a local whois server? The reason I want a local one is that my LAN has got many private IPs and I want to make an automatic email notification system for netadmins. |
| 14:55.43 | HotShowers | yes grep does take regular expressions... |
| 14:55.55 | HotShowers | but it searches every single file (so i believe) and i want only .conf files |
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| 14:56.10 | abrotman | HotShowers: don already told you how to do this in a faster way .. |
| 14:56.12 | TravisBarker | hi all |
| 14:56.14 | dondelelcaro | HotShowers: start by figuring out how to only list .conf files |
| 14:56.14 | themill | dpkg: tell HotShowers about using find |
| 14:56.16 | Mark21 | themill: I need mysqli |
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| 14:56.21 | dondelelcaro | HotShowers: man find and read about -type and -name |
| 14:56.23 | themill | Mark21: yes..... |
| 14:56.27 | Mark21 | I know how to install php5 and php5-mysql |
| 14:56.27 | jelly | !using find |
| 14:56.27 | dpkg | from memory, using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 14:56.46 | TravisBarker | I want to setup a network tap but i need some help getting the monitoring system setup |
| 14:57.00 | themill | Mark21: you might want to look at the package description for php5-mysql |
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| 14:57.12 | geeree1 | HotShowers: Maybe try `find . -name '*.conf' -exec grep '127\.0\.0\.1' '{}' \; |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | maybe let HotShowers figure it out |
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| 15:00.27 | DeathWolf | find|while read l; do blabla l; done <3:) |
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| 15:01.07 | geeree1 | Is CUPS Debian's default print spooler? |
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| 15:02.34 | dareth | cups is a printing service. |
| 15:02.43 | dareth | also has a web interface for configuring printers. |
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| 15:03.27 | geeree1 | dareth: Yes ... I asked because I am thinking of moving from CUPS to LPRng on Lenny. |
| 15:03.45 | qiyong | does debian support selinux now? |
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| 15:05.06 | abrotman | qiyong: has for awhile |
| 15:05.23 | iluminator101 | I been using skype for sometime, but yahoo voice rate are much better, how would use yahoo voice out on linux? |
| 15:05.40 | qiyong | abrotman: in test or unstable? |
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| 15:06.03 | dutchfish | run into a strange one again on debian sqeeze, ntpq -p throws at me Name or service not known, ps auxww shows the dameon running and syslog shows its syncing |
| 15:06.10 | abrotman | qiyong: in etch i beleive |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | iluminator101: email yahoo .. ask for the linux client ? |
| 15:06.25 | qiyong | abrotman: etch is stable now? |
| 15:06.31 | abrotman | etch is oldstable |
| 15:06.41 | dareth | lenny is stable |
| 15:06.44 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.48 | qiyong | is selinux default enabled or not? |
| 15:06.57 | jelly | it's not enabled not installed |
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| 15:07.02 | iluminator101 | Can you use pidgin to use yahoo voice out? |
| 15:07.11 | abrotman | iluminator101: try it and see |
| 15:07.28 | brutus_ | My network connection icon on the gnome panel has gone missing...how do I add it back? |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | right click and add applets |
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| 15:07.45 | M06w | how do I get samba to work |
| 15:08.04 | abrotman | work to do what? |
| 15:08.10 | M06w | anything |
| 15:08.14 | themill | make it bring me beer |
| 15:08.16 | brutus_ | abrotman, right click has only 'add to panel...', and that doesn't have a network applet |
| 15:08.18 | dareth | you install it |
| 15:08.19 | M06w | right now I tell it to share a folder and it ignores me |
| 15:08.29 | dareth | then you configure the smb.conf file in /etc/samba |
| 15:08.30 | M06w | even as root |
| 15:08.39 | dareth | defaults are read on home shares. |
| 15:08.45 | magnuX | M06w: you have to be nice with it |
| 15:08.47 | magnuX | xd |
| 15:08.48 | dareth | you have to do a smbpasswd command with add flag to add user. |
| 15:08.53 | abrotman | brutus_: mine has it ... |
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| 15:09.20 | abrotman | M06w: you need to be more descriptive .. "ignores me" doesn't help us figure out your problem |
| 15:09.31 | themill | brutus_: what happens if you run "nm-applet" |
| 15:10.09 | brutus_ | themill, ** (nm-applet:4485): WARNING **: <WARN> applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken. Return: 3 |
| 15:10.31 | M06w | I tell it to share a file and it doesn't, how much more specific can I get? |
| 15:10.31 | brutus_ | themill, it seems to be running, but the applet doesn't show on the panel... |
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| 15:10.48 | dareth | what are you using for a client to try and access the samba box |
| 15:10.51 | abrotman | M06w: does it give an error? does it do anything? or just say "I'm ignoring your request" ? |
| 15:11.33 | M06w | system>administration>shared folders, and rightclick>share |
| 15:11.57 | M06w | I tell it to share a folder, and when I look at what folders are shared, nothing has changed |
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| 15:13.39 | dareth | did you restart samba? |
| 15:13.44 | dareth | after making the changes? |
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| 15:13.58 | M06w | I have to restart samba after sharing a folder? |
| 15:14.21 | abrotman | at least reload the config |
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| 15:14.27 | abrotman | though the GUI thing should do that for you |
| 15:14.34 | M06w | I'm not changing the config |
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| 15:14.43 | craigevil | iluminator101: try gyachi if you need voice chat for yahoo |
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| 15:16.25 | dutchfish | ok, found out ntpq -p (no longer defaults to localhost in squeeze) its ntpq -p localhost .... duh |
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| 15:17.20 | abrotman | M06w: yes, you are .. by choosing a directory to share |
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| 15:18.15 | M06w | ok, then how do I do it by hand |
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| 15:20.27 | grodis | How do i turn of the 3D effects when i minimize my windows? its pretty laggy i must say.. cant find anywhere to turn it off.. Thanks |
| 15:20.42 | grodis | its not the best computer i got ether :P |
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| 15:22.25 | uwjweq | grodis: uninstall compiz |
| 15:22.35 | abrotman | M06w: samba.org has a lovely HOWTO |
| 15:23.04 | abrotman | M06w: i mostly followed that HOWTO, and some man pages, when integrating samba with a windows PDC |
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| 15:23.39 | grodis | uwjweq: i have compiz installed but not activated, i have turned it off |
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| 15:24.42 | uwjweq | grodis: Problem solved then. |
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| 15:27.06 | grodis | uwjweq: nah it isnt when i minimize a windows there is some black effects.. it pretty enyoing... in windows you can turn off all that effects |
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| 15:28.02 | uwjweq | grodis: What are black effects? I thought you are experincing 3D effects. Are you sure you are not using Leopard or Vista? |
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| 15:29.53 | grodis | uwjweq: im using debian right now :P when you install new fresh install of debian you got the minimize effects like in all others operativsystems... the question is how can i turn them off? :P |
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| 15:30.23 | uwjweq | grodis: You mean they are not 3D? |
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| 15:31.16 | grodis | how should i call it? its like an 3d effects, when you minimize and windows it like its shadows who follows the windows to the systemtray |
| 15:31.23 | grodis | *window |
| 15:31.34 | grodis | its laggy |
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| 15:32.58 | sector13 | ldd netbeans |
| 15:33.03 | sector13 | lddb netbeans |
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| 15:33.14 | jelly | sector13: you're in irc. |
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| 15:34.18 | grodis | uwjweq: you understand me now? |
| 15:34.21 | jelly | ... should have answered with "ldd: netbeans is a shell script you fool!" |
| 15:34.23 | uwjweq | grodis: what does ps -aux | grep "compiz" produce? |
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| 15:34.57 | sector13 | thre was bot that answered version of packages |
| 15:35.00 | grodis | uwjweq: robert 3277 0.0 0.1 3140 764 pts/0 S+ 17:34 0:00 grep compiz |
| 15:35.17 | uwjweq | grodis: Looks like compiz is dead like it should be. |
| 15:35.33 | uwjweq | grodis: Which WM are you using? |
| 15:35.39 | hark | it's metacity ^ |
| 15:35.52 | grodis | uwjweq: WM im newb =) |
| 15:35.57 | grodis | ? |
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| 15:37.09 | uwjweq | grodis: You might be using gnome. Check your System menu for hints. There might be a menu at the top where you can open an about window. |
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| 15:37.26 | grodis | uwjweq: aha yes im using gnome atm |
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| 15:38.53 | aminks | hi |
| 15:39.10 | uwjweq | grodis: Gnome is eating up a lot of resources for no apparent reason. I advise you to use xfce on your old machine. Just apt-get install xfce4. You can then choose xfce4 on your login screen. |
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| 15:39.45 | grodis | uwjweq: okey xfce4 look pretty cool... should i remove gnome after i install xfce4 ? |
| 15:40.12 | dareth | leave it, can still use the gnome progs under xfce4 |
| 15:40.21 | grodis | dareth: ok |
| 15:40.32 | surlyjake | i want to create a debian repository mirror. There seem to be two ways to do this: ftpsync scriptset http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror , and the "apt-mirror" tool. http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ . any recommendations? |
| 15:40.51 | aminks | i'm new to linux and i would like to install debian, meanwhile is there any official forums related to debian? |
| 15:40.55 | magnuX | surlyjake: debmirror works pretty fine for me |
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| 15:41.18 | magnuX | surlyjake: its really easy to handle it |
| 15:41.51 | uwjweq | aminks: You can find support over here http://www.debian.org/support plus there are inofficial forums. |
| 15:42.16 | Stathol | Does anyone know if debian's tar package has any kind of patches to support POSIX ACLs? |
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| 15:42.39 | Stathol | The man page doesn't mention anything to that effect, but I just thought I'd check |
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| 15:43.06 | aminks | uwjweq, tnx. What unoficcials forums are the best? |
| 15:43.57 | uwjweq | aminks: Sorry, I only know of this german one http://debianforum.de/forum/ |
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| 15:44.03 | craigevil | aminks: forums.debian.net |
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| 15:49.03 | foo-nix | apt-get asks me for the installation cd quite often when installinmg stuff, can It somehow pick a mirror and |
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| 15:49.21 | foo-nix | such that I need not to insert the debian cd each time? |
| 15:50.01 | M06w | foo-nix, I just disabled the cd as a repository to get rid of that entirely |
| 15:50.06 | uwjweq | foo-nix: Keyword: Net-Install |
| 15:50.31 | uwjweq | foo-nix: CD/DVD 1 can always be used as Net-Install CD. |
| 15:50.31 | foo-nix | uwjweq, I used a netinstall cd, so I am puzzled here. |
| 15:50.55 | lord_rob | foo-nix: if you have installed from cds, just modify /etc/apt/sources.list to make apt-get point to internet servers |
| 15:51.15 | uwjweq | foo-nix: At one point setup lets you choose where to install from. |
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| 15:51.20 | foo-nix | lord_rob, which are? how can I find the replacements for the cd? |
| 15:51.21 | lord_rob | no need to reinstall everything |
| 15:51.27 | ajavid | good morning |
| 15:51.35 | ajavid | found libnotify |
| 15:51.37 | foo-nix | uwjweq, I have selected the net there. |
| 15:51.53 | lord_rob | foo-nix: you have installed debian right ? |
| 15:51.54 | foo-nix | uwjweq, I did so on two installations, whioch both require the cd from time to time. |
| 15:52.00 | foo-nix | lord_rob, debian, lenny |
| 15:52.03 | M06w | how do I restart samba |
| 15:52.14 | foo-nix | lord_rob, I used to use gentoo |
| 15:52.19 | foo-nix | started using debian since two months |
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| 15:53.29 | lord_rob | foo-nix: so you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list to modify the location where apt-get or aptitude will go to retrieve its new deb packages. On the cdroms or on a http/ftp server |
| 15:53.42 | d1b | M06w: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 15:53.51 | foo-nix | I removed the cdrom entry in sources.list, and it seems to work. |
| 15:53.52 | d1b | !gentoosmite foo-nix |
| 15:53.52 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling foo-nix, and when it's all done, foo-nix runs 0.9% faster than previously |
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| 15:54.28 | foo-nix | d1b, I agree that it is hypocryte to spend time compiling for the speed optimalisation, but gentoo has learmed me a lot about the process. |
| 15:54.32 | foo-nix | *learned |
| 15:54.55 | foo-nix | d1b, it has given me interrest in coding kernel modules and such, and being a low-level coder. |
| 15:54.59 | lord_rob | foo-nix: if you have installed debian using the cdrom sources.list is configured to point to the cdrom and if you have done a netinstall it's configured to point to the server you have installed from |
| 15:55.00 | foo-nix | which was a nice experience. |
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| 15:55.17 | foo-nix | lord_rob, I understand |
| 15:55.40 | _Scorp_ | foo-nix: I'm used debian 14 february |
| 15:55.41 | foo-nix | lord_rob, as soon as I get unresolved dep failures I know a server is missing :P |
| 15:56.00 | lord_rob | foo-nix: man sources.list |
| 15:56.02 | foo-nix | _Scorp_, You have used it since 2009/02/14 ? |
| 15:56.13 | foo-nix | lord_rob, kk, thanx |
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| 15:57.41 | aminks | i want install a virtualization server and install 2-3 vps (1 linux, 1 bsd and 1 win) only for personal research and study |
| 15:57.54 | aminks | xenserver is a good choice? |
| 15:59.30 | _Scorp_ | foo-nix: yes |
| 15:59.57 | d1b | aminks: depends on your hardware :) |
| 16:00.16 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.33 | aminks | amd x2 (with amd-v) and 4 gb of ram |
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| 16:01.09 | d1b | aminks: look into kvm |
| 16:01.43 | aminks | d1b, ok..is possible to run windows vps or only linux based? |
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| 16:03.14 | bakers | I have a server that ONLY has PCI-E slots and I need to buy a NIC that will be supported by Debian. Any have a PCI-E nic in production on a debian system that can point me in the right direction? |
| 16:03.50 | d1b | aminks: you can windows if you want too . virtualbox does that well, as well |
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| 16:04.00 | antii | How can I get mkjailenv command to work in debian? :( |
| 16:04.01 | enouf | bakers: there should be tons of pcie x1 NICs available out there |
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| 16:04.42 | enouf | bakers: it's the kernel that supports/non-supports hardware - not debian, though each distro has their patches |
| 16:05.08 | bakers | enouf: Understood... this vendor is shipping Debian with 2.6.18, so I need a PCI-E nic that's supported there |
| 16:05.25 | maligor | ouch |
| 16:05.27 | enouf | bakers: you want to familiarize yourself with PCIIDs, and DeviceID/VendorID strings - use 'lspci -nn' |
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| 16:05.44 | enouf | bakers: uff - only .18 ? can't you upgrade the kernel? |
| 16:05.58 | bakers | enouf: I wish... vendor supports only 2.6.18 |
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| 16:06.03 | kdorf | I'm running a fully updated version of debian testing and I can't change the root password via `passwd`. I just get "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error." It doesn't even prompt for a new password. Any ideas? |
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| 16:06.36 | enouf | bakers: then i suggest you grab the source and start grepping it ;-) |
| 16:07.00 | maligor | mm.. realtek gigabit pci-e nic's are ridiculous cheap |
| 16:07.30 | enouf | bakers: i mean the vendor wouldn't allow a Debian bpo kernel? |
| 16:07.50 | antii | anyone has a clue? |
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| 16:08.29 | lord_rob | anyone uses package insserv in sid ? it is required by the new version of sysv-rc but apt-listbugs reports 2 critical bugs against it :/ |
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| 16:10.32 | enouf | bakers: poke around in http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/drivers/net/ and google |
| 16:10.47 | enouf | bakers: the Kconfig should be telling |
| 16:11.00 | bakers | enouf: Kconfig? |
| 16:11.18 | antii | =/( |
| 16:12.21 | DeathWolf | mmm |
| 16:12.22 | enouf | bakers: yes, the 400+ files that comprise your .config |
| 16:12.35 | DeathWolf | is there any way to see through /proc what tcp conns a process has? |
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| 16:13.18 | enouf | bakers: i'd also checkout kernelnewbies.org and search for the summary of 2.6.18 changes and follow URLs to git, patches etc |
| 16:13.38 | enouf | DeathWolf: that's what netstat reads |
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| 16:13.50 | DeathWolf | netstat doesnt tell per proc iirc |
| 16:13.52 | antii | can I add package "jail" from etch when im in lenny? |
| 16:14.11 | enouf | maybe you want make-jail ? |
| 16:14.15 | DeathWolf | or was it -p |
| 16:14.17 | DeathWolf | yeah it was |
| 16:14.19 | DeathWolf | but in any case |
| 16:14.22 | DeathWolf | I wanted through /proc |
| 16:14.22 | enouf | judd: versions make-jail |
| 16:14.23 | judd | enouf: make-jail -- |
| 16:14.27 | DeathWolf | (scripting reasons) |
| 16:14.28 | enouf | ugh |
| 16:14.32 | antii | enouf: I want mkjailenv / addjailsw commands |
| 16:14.49 | enouf | DeathWolf: then read the netstat source, or lsof or .. |
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| 16:15.01 | enouf | judd: versions jail |
| 16:15.02 | judd | enouf: jail -- etch: 1:1.6-6 |
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| 16:15.46 | freakkk | hi |
| 16:15.54 | freakkk | i have little problem with instalation |
| 16:15.58 | antii | enouf: can I have it for lenny? |
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| 16:16.23 | freakkk | "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" |
| 16:16.42 | enouf | antii: one moment |
| 16:16.43 | bakers | enouf: Given a card name (intel E1G42ET) what's the best way to see what driver it uses, i.e. if it's supported with 2.6.18? |
| 16:16.46 | antii | enouf: thx |
| 16:16.53 | freakkk | any1? |
| 16:16.58 | uwjweq | freakkk: Format? |
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| 16:17.13 | freakkk | wha? |
| 16:17.17 | freakkk | i have just install it |
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| 16:17.31 | freakkk | maybe i need to fix something in grub ... |
| 16:17.34 | freakkk | but i dunno how |
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| 16:17.41 | uwjweq | What is giving you this error? |
| 16:17.48 | freakkk | oh |
| 16:17.50 | freakkk | grub :> |
| 16:18.20 | freakkk | and later is "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition" |
| 16:18.22 | freakkk | ;] |
| 16:19.15 | uwjweq | Any hints on why it can not mount the partition |
| 16:19.17 | enouf | antii: http://packages.debian.org/etch/jail seems the Depends wouldn't be an issue, IIUC - now, might want to look at the Similar packages listed there |
| 16:19.39 | antii | so I can try it? |
| 16:19.41 | freakkk | no idea |
| 16:19.42 | enouf | bakers: google it and get it's PCIID |
| 16:19.51 | freakkk | i can access it thru rescue mode on cd |
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| 16:20.08 | uwjweq | What FS is on the drive? |
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| 16:20.22 | freakkk | standard |
| 16:20.23 | freakkk | ext3 |
| 16:20.27 | freakkk | oh |
| 16:20.32 | enouf | bakers: Device + Vendor ID pair [xxxx:xxxx] <-- sometimes notated like that - see /msg dpkg which driver |
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| 16:21.14 | freakkk | i was trying to fix it in rescue mode |
| 16:21.32 | freakkk | and i choose grub to install in /dev/hdb1 |
| 16:21.32 | enouf | bakers: where each xxxx == a hex equivalent - like this; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1510100 |
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| 16:22.12 | uwjweq | laters |
| 16:22.26 | antii | enouf: seemed worked installed but got this after, |
| 16:22.27 | antii | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/jail missing LSB information |
| 16:22.47 | thrashold | i need some advice. I have a class ListGui(ListSource, GUIBase). It all worked great. However, I decided to write several ListSource classes, but the code for the ListGui is essentially the same. Would it be wrong if I created a class _ListGuiBase(object) (which needs the methods from GUIBase to work), and then did class ListGui(_ListGuiBase, ListSource, GUIBase): pass (The names are fictional) |
| 16:22.51 | freakkk | can someone help me? |
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| 16:22.58 | enouf | bakers: see for example the [10de:0110] part on the line; 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2) |
| 16:23.07 | thrashold | oops |
| 16:23.09 | thrashold | wrong channel |
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| 16:23.20 | enouf | then you can come here and ask judd about it bakers |
| 16:23.41 | enouf | judd: pciid 10de:0110 --release oldstable |
| 16:23.44 | judd | enouf: [10de:0110] is 'NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'sata_nv', 'nvidiafb' in etch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0110 |
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| 16:24.21 | enouf | well - let's try a better one ;-) |
| 16:24.29 | enouf | judd: pciid 100b:0020 --release oldstable |
| 16:24.30 | judd | enouf: [100b:0020] is 'DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller' from 'National Semiconductor Corporation' with kernel module 'natsemi' in etch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=100b:0020 |
| 16:25.22 | antii | enouf: what can be missing? still dont got the commands |
| 16:25.33 | enouf | bakers: or, you could "grep 100b.*0020 /lib/modules/2.6.18-whatever/modules.pcimap" |
| 16:26.00 | enouf | antii: hrm, LSB == linux standard base |
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| 16:26.03 | enouf | !lsb |
| 16:26.03 | dpkg | well, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/ or very incomplete |
| 16:26.30 | enouf | antii: the /etc/init.d/jail scrtipt is missing information |
| 16:26.30 | antii | ah |
| 16:26.41 | antii | ok |
| 16:26.59 | antii | how can i fill it with the right one? :P |
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| 16:27.59 | enouf | antii: so it seems the proper symlinks, that usually get added upon a .postinst will NOT be generated via update-rc.d .. so you'll need to make those yourself likely -- or .. you can do run-parts if you fix the script itself, or something |
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| 16:28.16 | antii | gah :( |
| 16:28.24 | enouf | antii: the symlinks for the various runlevels ; the /etc/rc?.d/* symlinks |
| 16:28.31 | enouf | antii: simple to create |
| 16:28.45 | Ezep | Hey enouf :) |
| 16:28.46 | enouf | however - proper numbering order - not so easy ;-) |
| 16:28.53 | enouf | Ezep: ;-) |
| 16:28.59 | antii | I skip it :P |
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| 16:29.54 | Ezep | enouf: you don't rest, huh? :) |
| 16:29.55 | enouf | antii: look at your OTHER working init.d/ scripts - see -- wait, update-rc.d gave you a Warning only |
| 16:29.58 | freakkk | debian is shitty ;/ |
| 16:30.19 | enouf | Ezep: nope - always on the go :-p |
| 16:30.30 | antii | enouf: I skip it :( |
| 16:30.39 | Ezep | Hehe, that's fine, your karma will be possitive :) |
| 16:30.47 | antii | enouf: think I can do this ( http://tuxtraining.com/2008/06/05/put-irssi-in-a-chroot-jail ) without etch jail package |
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| 16:30.58 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 16:32.12 | enouf | antii: pastebin output of ~$ find /etc/rc?.d/ -name '*jail*' |
| 16:32.52 | antii | http://pastebin.com/ddfc3756 enouf |
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| 16:33.37 | enouf | antii: you're good -- the symlinks are there |
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| 16:33.46 | antii | how come I dont got the commands? |
| 16:33.50 | enouf | antii: just make a mental note, in case things go batty |
| 16:33.54 | antii | shall I use the etch package? |
| 16:33.56 | enouf | what? |
| 16:34.13 | enouf | antii: dpkg -L jail |
| 16:34.22 | enouf | you could've just looked in p.d.o |
| 16:34.34 | antii | http://pastebin.com/m22c8c317 |
| 16:34.37 | themill | antii: no. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448725 |
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| 16:35.40 | enouf | antii: the pkg in etch called jail is an ICMP logger, nothing to do with "chroot jail" |
| 16:35.48 | antii | Aha. |
| 16:35.52 | enouf | IIUC |
| 16:35.55 | antii | ? |
| 16:36.02 | Ezep | !IIUC |
| 16:36.02 | dpkg | hmm... iiuc is "If I understand correctly" |
| 16:36.07 | enouf | don't you people read anything? |
| 16:36.24 | enouf | especially when handed a direct URL |
| 16:36.24 | ajavid | 'you people' |
| 16:36.35 | enouf | antii: yeah, people like YOU! |
| 16:36.39 | antii | :P |
| 16:36.43 | enouf | crap -- i meant ajavid |
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| 16:37.46 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/jail was what i spoon fed you earlier |
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| 16:38.18 | ajavid | I'm reading a book by Martin Fowler |
| 16:38.22 | ajavid | oops |
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| 16:38.48 | Eulex | I thought I could try out the graphical installer, but now I'm stuck -- if I use guided partitioning to 'initialize' the partitions I want to use, how do I remove or resize a partition that it added to the view? |
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| 16:40.32 | enouf | Eulex: Enter and Spacebar and Cursor keys? (Up/Down arrows) ? |
| 16:41.05 | Eulex | enouf, oh, yeah of course, tho I just discovered a detail |
| 16:41.11 | enouf | Eulex: you might need expert mode though - not sure - which installer? 5.0.2 ? |
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| 16:41.26 | Eulex | this is expert graphical mode with 5.0.2 |
| 16:41.45 | enouf | and you have a 'guided' option in expertgui mode? |
| 16:41.49 | enouf | how silly |
| 16:41.53 | enouf | but i guess ... |
| 16:41.55 | Eulex | there is |
| 16:41.57 | Ezep | Select the manual.. |
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| 16:42.12 | Eulex | I was going to use it to initialize it, but then modify |
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| 16:42.24 | enouf | yeah, for d-i preseeding - makes things easy if you do not want to really do anything with partitions |
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| 16:44.43 | Eulex | it happens that I chose to try out lvm for the first time, and now I discovered that if I go into one of the 'main' two partitions, I can delete them -- but it doesn't allow me to remove any of the lvm vgs or the partitions within |
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| 16:45.53 | enouf | Eulex: what's a main two partition? |
| 16:46.03 | enouf | Eulex: DOS partition table style? |
| 16:46.34 | Eulex | enouf, the main two partitions are the /boot partition and the lvm volume |
| 16:47.32 | enouf | Eulex: are the proper lvm modules loaded to access the PVs and VGs and LVs ? |
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| 16:48.08 | enouf | Eulex: look at alt-f4 for messages, use alt-f2 - get a sh, then lsmod and modprobe |
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| 16:49.37 | Eulex | enouf, as it is running X, I would need to press ctrl-alt-f4, I'm running the installer inside qemu, and I'm currently googling on how to send that sequence to the guest OS: |
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| 16:50.57 | Eulex | hah, gotcha |
| 16:51.57 | boucarre | hello |
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| 16:52.02 | enouf | Eulex: it might be that "guided" won't allow you to do that |
| 16:52.24 | enouf | Eulex: (resize/remove LVM pieces) |
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| 16:54.19 | paxcoder | I'm loosing my app's (and Youtube's) cookies upon closing Iceweasel. I'm not losing Wikipedia's cookies tho. |
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| 16:54.49 | paxcoder | Can someone help me by going over the our settings with me? |
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| 16:55.06 | paxcoder | *s/the// |
| 16:55.55 | Eulex | enouf, it may. |
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| 16:57.32 | paxcoder | my app isn't working, I would really appreciate help with this |
| 16:57.35 | Eulex | enouf, I couldn't find any module that was loaded that was specific to lvm, tho I'm not aware of whether you need one or not (apparently you needed one with lvm 1, but you don't with lvm 2) |
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| 16:57.47 | sgleton | can someone help me please |
| 16:58.21 | sgleton | I installed Debian on my HTC G1 and when I run bootdeb it automatically reboots my phone |
| 16:58.22 | Eulex | !ask |
| 16:58.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:58.40 | Eulex | sgleton, o.O |
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| 16:59.08 | sgleton | somebody please |
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| 16:59.37 | sgleton | I installed Debian on my G1 phone and each time I run bootdeb it reboots the phone |
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| 17:00.09 | Eulex | sgleton, what's bootdeb? |
| 17:00.32 | sgleton | bootdeb is the file to boot the Debian OS |
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| 17:03.41 | Eulex | sgleton, I don't think that 'bootdeb' program or script or whatever it is is part of debian, thus #debian is unlikely to know what it does and why it may not work |
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| 17:04.59 | abrotman | there is a #android .. but i'd guess that's for the AndroidOS and they might not like supporting Debian |
| 17:05.51 | enouf | Eulex: you need device-mapper any all dm-* modules |
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| 17:06.25 | Eulex | enouf, yeah, it has dm-mod loaded |
| 17:06.35 | enouf | ~$ modprobe -l | grep kernel/drivers/md/dm |
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| 17:07.47 | enouf | Eulex: i think the initrd even loads those - along with dmraid/mdadm ones if needed |
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| 17:09.08 | Eulex | enouf, dm-mirror, dm-mod, dm-snapshot and dm-log are available, dm-mod was loaded automatically. |
| 17:10.30 | kbmaniac | Hi all, just installed lenny xfce version, need unzip to apt-get unzip and loads of problems starting with 'ldconfig' not found on PATH, any ideas ? fresh install, have not had time to break anything yet lol |
| 17:11.09 | kbmaniac | need unzip so I apt-get install unzip ... |
| 17:11.13 | kbmaniac | sorry, |
| 17:11.17 | Eulex | but anyway, I think I'll restart the installation -- the installer doesn't allow me to modify the partition setup, even if I go back, retry the step and choose manual partitioning, it still has the guided defaults set, and it doesn't allow me to modify them |
| 17:11.32 | cockroach | kbmaniac: not that i can guarantee any help or anything, but maube posting your errors to pastebin will get somebody's attention |
| 17:11.45 | cockroach | make that "maybe" |
| 17:11.49 | kbmaniac | ok will do :) |
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| 17:12.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.58 | kbmaniac | pastebin.com/m3813faf3 ... any ideas anyone ? |
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| 17:15.11 | blind|melon|chit | Hello :> Is anyone currently experiencing that wide-spread bug where keys get "stuck" in repeat in Lenny? I've went through several recent distributions now trying to find one that works properly |
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| 17:15.35 | justin | blind|melon|chit: uhh, sure your keyboard isn't broken? |
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| 17:15.46 | Reb | I have no pb with mine |
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| 17:16.13 | helo | i've never experienced that wide-spread bug |
| 17:16.16 | boucarre_ | i never experianced that so it could be your keyboard |
| 17:16.17 | Ezep | blind|melon|chit: try with another keyboard, if the problem dissapear, then is the keyboeard :) |
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| 17:16.40 | blind|melon|chit | I've tried it with five different keyboards, actually :> And the bug is listed on the kernel.org website for anyone who is interested, #9147 |
| 17:16.53 | blind|melon|chit | Three USB and 2 PS/2's of different brands |
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| 17:17.16 | boucarre_ | Or simply, if u dont have an other keyboard try with an other live cD |
| 17:17.17 | Eulex | enouf, that doesn't find anything relevant, unfortunately (it finds /usr/bin/md5sum among other things) |
| 17:17.23 | enouf | $ rgrep -E 'md|dm' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/md | sort (since modprobe works on the running kernel and mine's a .29 here) |
| 17:17.40 | blind|melon|chit | And although this would be an Ubuntu example, it's an example that it's not limited to one distro :> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux/+bug/124406 |
| 17:17.51 | enouf | Eulex: notice the dir/ i'm in (using that find ...) |
| 17:18.13 | enouf | Eulex: that's my .26 initrd, that's been decompressed |
| 17:18.15 | Eulex | enouf, ah |
| 17:18.59 | jelly | blind|melon|chit: console or X or both? |
| 17:19.33 | cockroach | kbmaniac: okay, that looks scary. do you have those binaries? |
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| 17:20.15 | kbmaniac | Straight install to vmware image from install disk downloaded from debian homepage |
| 17:20.23 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: Well in my own case it seems to be both in the console and in X, for others it's in either one or the other, making it very difficult to track down |
| 17:20.50 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: The kernel devs have it set as "assigned" but there's no progress being made so far |
| 17:20.55 | Eulex | enouf, well, I'll retry with the text mode installer and try out manual partitioning, what would those commands you pasted do? would they make sure the installer has the appropriate modules (in initrd and on the fs)? it would be odd if it didn't, and if it doesn't I will have problems again ^^ |
| 17:20.56 | kbmaniac | cockroach, think I had better check the md5's, never normally check |
| 17:20.57 | jelly | blind|melon|chit: this could mean you only experience a similar symptom but actually have different problems |
| 17:21.22 | cockroach | kbmaniac: are you sure you didn't get any errors during the installation? :) |
| 17:21.28 | jelly | blind|melon|chit: this is esp. true for people that only experience it under X vs. anywhere |
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| 17:21.50 | kbmaniac | cockroach, not that I noticed, looked real smooth |
| 17:22.11 | enouf | Eulex: nah - the installer shoould locate and modprobe the proper modules, it seems it has - i think the guided partitioning might play a role - but perhaps those LVs are encrypted as well? |
| 17:22.20 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: Yes, very true...so I ran a script from the kernel.org website that tests to see if your machine is vulnerable to that particular kernel bug -- in my case it is |
| 17:22.33 | Eulex | enouf, no, I didn't choose to encrypt them |
| 17:22.35 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: That might still mean I'm having other problems, but I'm definitely having at least one known one :> |
| 17:22.46 | enouf | Eulex: you might want to take a peek at the URL that /msg dpkg rescue mode (wiki.debian.org) |
| 17:22.57 | enouf | ok |
| 17:23.16 | jelly | blind|melon|chit: so poke the bug if some weeks have passed. ;-) |
| 17:23.31 | helo | i'm trying to use a partition when the partition table has been corrupted... i know the offset in bytes (from parted before the partition table was wiped), but mounting with 'mount -t ext3 -o loop,offset=blahblah /dev/sdd /media/test' is giving me the usual bad fs, wrong fs type, etc. error |
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| 17:23.42 | kbmaniac | cockroach, the md5 is AOK, I will reinstall in text mode and look carefully, looks like some kind of apt-get cache issue, |
| 17:24.08 | enouf | Eulex: then perhaps a choice was made for if one uses the gui mode, then certain conditions apply - ask in #debian-boot on OFTC.net when after you've tested all you can |
| 17:24.10 | kbmaniac | I used to be a debian user, never seen anything like this before |
| 17:24.21 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: Oh, I did ;> I like to be active considering that Linux is what gets me paid each day! Unfortunately the people I've approached behind distros have told me to report it to upstream...upstream has told me absolute zero despite multiple inqueries |
| 17:24.44 | blind|melon|chit | Well, one blamed it on kernel patches by distros, but that was before it was confirmed a kernel bug :> |
| 17:25.02 | Eulex | enouf, will do |
| 17:25.08 | jelly | blind|melon|chit: um, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9147 looks not that related, is that it |
| 17:25.24 | enouf | Eulex: the rgrep isn't needed, since that's what modprobe -l does (on_the_running_kernel's database in /lib/modules/) |
| 17:25.24 | Eulex | kbmaniac, is the libc6 package installed |
| 17:25.25 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: Yes, that's the bug report that I mentioned earlier, and where I got the test script from |
| 17:25.26 | abrotman | blind|melon|chit: tried turning of stuff like acpi ? |
| 17:25.34 | Eulex | enouf, ok |
| 17:25.46 | kbmaniac | Eulex, will have a look, |
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| 17:25.57 | blind|melon|chit | abrotman: Yes, in the thread they mentioned that it seems to help some cases to turn off ACPI altogether, or just some modules...in my case it didn't seem to do much |
| 17:26.03 | fxiny | helo: try gpart |
| 17:26.06 | enouf | Eulex: read what i first mentioned; "..... (since modprobe works on the running kernel and mine's a .29 here)" |
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| 17:26.26 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: Yep :> That's the thread I mentioned earlier, in which I got the test script that confirmed I'm susceptible |
| 17:26.28 | enouf | Eulex: man modprobe ;-) |
| 17:26.36 | Eulex | enouf, sorry, I'm not following 100% |
| 17:26.42 | enouf | no worries |
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| 17:26.53 | blind|melon|chit | jelly: I e-mailed the owner of the bug several weeks ago and then again just in case it went missing, but...well, what can you do? ;> |
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| 17:27.21 | pee | hi all |
| 17:27.36 | kbmaniac | Eulex, yep its there & the latest version |
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| 17:27.43 | pee | i need a suggest for binarize the alsa drivers |
| 17:28.03 | Eulex | enouf, well, I understand that modprobe works on the current kernel, but I'm not following why you're saying what you're saying :) |
| 17:28.13 | Eulex | kbmaniac, is /sbin/ldconfig there? |
| 17:28.21 | abrotman | pee: debian already has alsa |
| 17:28.25 | pee | how to make the libasound and libasound-dev separately and complementaries between them? |
| 17:28.49 | pee | abrotman: yes but i've an old etch and i want to update alsa making the deb |
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| 17:28.59 | helo | fxiny: to get the offsets? i cannot fix the partition table or it will break something else :) |
| 17:29.05 | abrotman | pee: i think check backports.org |
| 17:29.06 | enouf | blind|melon|chit: it;s always better to fix issues upstream as that way, the distro gets more support, and things get consolidated, which removes the patchset burden for the distro-kern-devs (and even the debian-x ones, as in the GEM, kenrelmodesetting and shit) |
| 17:29.08 | kbmaniac | Eulex, yep its there |
| 17:29.15 | abrotman | judd: versions alsa-source |
| 17:29.16 | judd | abrotman: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1 sid: 1.0.20+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.0.20+dfsg-1 |
| 17:29.19 | Eulex | pee, most of alsa is kernel modules, upgrading the alsa packages will only upgrade the user space utilities |
| 17:29.20 | abrotman | doh .. wrong |
| 17:29.42 | enouf | fxiny: !! ;-) |
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| 17:29.46 | fxiny | helo: to check if you remember right |
| 17:29.52 | fxiny | enouf: !! ;) |
| 17:29.56 | helo | with offset loop mounted devices, how does the kernel know where the device ends, if only the offset is given... |
| 17:29.59 | pee | Eulex: i know but in the tar.gz of alsa i compile kernel modules |
| 17:30.02 | enouf | helo: hadn't i told you about offset mounting an image? |
| 17:30.06 | Eulex | kbmaniac, then your error truly is odd |
| 17:30.06 | enouf | yesterday |
| 17:30.13 | pee | Eulex: updated respect the modules inside the kernel tree |
| 17:30.14 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 17:30.16 | helo | enouf: yes, your recommendation does not work |
| 17:30.19 | paissad-hp | i have this error when i run opera or firefox |
| 17:30.20 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.fr/5195 |
| 17:30.25 | helo | !dnw |
| 17:30.44 | enouf | helo: and i mentioned gpart then too |
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| 17:30.44 | kbmaniac | Eulex, yep, will reinstall, if same problem will goto #debian-xfce |
| 17:30.44 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 17:30.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 17:30.49 | Eulex | pee, is there some reason you can't just use a newer kernel and/or distro? |
| 17:30.57 | paissad-hp | btw, when i start up my system, i don't have anylonger my panels control, the both, up and bottom |
| 17:31.02 | paissad-hp | how can i fix that ? |
| 17:31.08 | paissad-hp | i reinstalled xfce4 |
| 17:31.14 | paissad-hp | i did it already |
| 17:31.18 | jelly | paissad-hp: disable arts? |
| 17:31.23 | ajavid | fxiny, I found libnotify |
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| 17:31.29 | Eulex | paissad-hp, alt-f2 -> xfce4-panel |
| 17:31.30 | ajavid | fxiny, much more better than xmessage |
| 17:31.35 | pee | Eulex: yes but with this method everyone must change distribution every 2 years |
| 17:31.44 | enouf | Eulex: i was trying to ascertain WHICH modules are available in the Installer initrd, since i don't have that here, but i DO have a .26.x Debian kernel from ~ that time |
| 17:31.46 | jelly | paissad-hp: are you starting kde services with xfce? |
| 17:31.48 | pee | Someone is a debian developer here? |
| 17:31.48 | fxiny | ajavid: ok |
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| 17:31.52 | enouf | and initrd from then |
| 17:31.58 | Eulex | pee, or just kernel |
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| 17:32.12 | abrotman | pee: there is a newer kernel at backports.org and there's also the etchnhalf kernel |
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| 17:32.17 | paissad-hp | jelly, yes, i start kde service with xfce, but the problem occured before i activated that option |
| 17:32.19 | enouf | Eulex: and also which, if NOT in the initrd, are available as a modprobe option |
| 17:32.29 | pee | Eulex: yes but in alsa-project there is always a newer version than alsa inside kernel |
| 17:32.31 | kbmaniac | paissad-hp, alt-f2 enter xfce4-panel |
| 17:32.33 | paissad-hp | Eulex, it works, but it's manual ! |
| 17:32.35 | ajavid | fxiny, are you a developer? |
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| 17:32.41 | Eulex | enouf, ok, I'm currently doing exactly what I was doing but in the text-mode installer instead |
| 17:32.49 | Eulex | paissad-hp, save your session at logout next time :) |
| 17:32.53 | enouf | helo parted and others can tell you start AND end |
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| 17:33.00 | abrotman | pee: wait .. you're complaining about having to upgrade your OS .. but you want to upgrade your alsa every time they make a release ? |
| 17:33.00 | Eulex | pee, is there any reason you need the newest alsa? |
| 17:33.20 | fxiny | ajavid: user , but when drunk chief-assistant-guru :P |
| 17:33.21 | enouf | helo: but you could also dd an image and work on that using skip=offset-amount hereh |
| 17:33.23 | jelly | Eulex: wouldn't it be nice if xfce4-session made a log of what was started and if one could deduce where the startup hung! |
| 17:33.41 | enouf | erm to rescue a partition's files say |
| 17:33.47 | ajavid | fxiny, I didn't ask if you were a debian developer. |
| 17:33.50 | ajavid | fxiny, do you program? |
| 17:33.57 | Eulex | jelly, ~/.xsession-errors is approximately that |
| 17:34.15 | enouf | ajavid: careful - i might get annoyed |
| 17:34.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 17:34.23 | ajavid | use /ignore |
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| 17:34.44 | enouf | ajavid: nothing to do with me - it's the way you treat others ;-) |
| 17:34.51 | jelly | Eulex: I know, except it isn't... it's where that information would end up if xfce4-session cared to output it on its std{out,err} |
| 17:35.05 | ajavid | enouf, and whats wrong with that? |
| 17:35.16 | enouf | ajavid: nothing man .. just chill |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | ajavid: enouf: take it to msg please |
| 17:35.23 | fxiny | ajavid: not really , we can talk next time , chan is pretty busy |
| 17:35.27 | enouf | indded - sorry |
| 17:35.29 | Eulex | jelly, you can file a feature request on bugzilla.xfce.org! |
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| 17:35.48 | enouf | needs to go anyway |
| 17:36.01 | jelly | Eulex: I'm allergic to bugzillas. :-( |
| 17:36.08 | abrotman | me too! |
| 17:36.10 | jelly | they give me the rash |
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| 17:36.21 | Eulex | jelly, bless you |
| 17:36.29 | ajavid | what is a zilla? |
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| 17:36.51 | ajavid | there is a god and bug and mo and copule of ther zillas I think |
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| 17:37.13 | ajavid | thats a freaky word |
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| 17:37.18 | abrotman | ajavid: seriously? |
| 17:37.33 | Eulex | ajavid, it's 5/8 a godzilla |
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| 17:37.44 | fiocinino | help me please |
| 17:38.04 | ajavid | fxiny, may i msg u |
| 17:38.05 | fiocinino | i have problem to connect gps bluetooth |
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| 17:38.36 | fiocinino | can't connect socket RFCOMM connection refused |
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| 17:39.13 | fxiny | ajavid: i'm not a coder, i'm a user |
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| 17:40.41 | ajavid | fxiny, may I or may I not msg you? |
| 17:40.58 | fxiny | ajavid: try , but i don't think it will work |
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| 17:41.12 | ajavid | its a simple yes or no man |
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| 17:42.36 | fxiny | ajavid: does freenode allow /msg ? |
| 17:42.42 | abrotman | how about you just try? |
| 17:42.49 | ajavid | are you serious? |
| 17:42.53 | Eulex | if you're identified, you can /msg |
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| 17:43.14 | fxiny | the privilege of unidentified users ;) |
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| 17:43.55 | fxiny | ajavid: seen ? is not me :) |
| 17:44.20 | ajavid | if you don't want to talk, have some balls and say so. |
| 17:44.28 | ajavid | don't beat around the bush |
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| 17:45.05 | jelly | get a room you guys |
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| 17:45.42 | abrotman | ajavid: just drop it and move on |
| 17:45.43 | fxiny | a room ? we are not engaged |
| 17:45.48 | abrotman | fxiny: please drop it |
| 17:45.49 | Zygo | is there a dpkg-<foo> tool that will read a debian/control file and install build-deps? |
| 17:45.50 | ajavid | abrotman, yessir |
| 17:46.12 | ajavid | Zygo, apt-get build-dep ? |
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| 17:46.26 | fxiny | abrotman: can't you see i'm trying to be polite with ajavid ? |
| 17:46.28 | ajavid | thats about all you need. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:46.42 | Zygo | ajavid: requires the package to be available first, doesn't it? |
| 17:46.50 | Zygo | or does it have an option to read it from a file? |
| 17:47.00 | abrotman | fxiny: join a channel with him if you can't msg him .. this is getting kind of silly |
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| 17:47.22 | ajavid | fxiny, you are a good guy, very helpful, very respectful, however right now I don't think I have the patience for humor when I'm trying to be serious. Other than that, chalk it up to me being an asshole, and call it a day. |
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| 17:47.27 | ajavid | its all good. |
| 17:47.30 | ajavid | moving on... |
| 17:47.40 | ajavid | Zygo, what are you trying to do |
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| 17:47.51 | Zygo | ajavid: write the Build-Depends line for a package |
| 17:48.23 | ajavid | Zygo, I'm myself not aware of such a tool |
| 17:48.42 | jelly | Zygo: I thought you had a Build-Depends and needed to actually fetch(+install?) those packages |
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| 17:49.01 | Zygo | jelly: well, yes, but I want to do that because I want to test the Build-Depends I've written |
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| 17:50.07 | jelly | Zygo: stupid solution: make a local deb-src repo and try it. |
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| 17:50.33 | positron` | I just printed a Debian logo on a tshirt for â¬3.50. The tshirt is really cool and I'm cool now. :D |
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| 17:50.52 | Zygo | jelly: yeah, I'm aware of that solution. I was just checking to make sure there wasn't one hiding in a package I've never heard of |
| 17:50.55 | ajavid | I am back in louisiana now, talked to my girl who owns a printing company |
| 17:51.04 | ajavid | I used to get debian stickers, shirts etc. etc. printed |
| 17:51.21 | ajavid | my guitar has a huge debian logo on it ;) |
| 17:51.32 | positron` | It's the first time I did this. :) |
| 17:51.38 | ajavid | isn't it great :) |
| 17:51.42 | positron` | Yup. |
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| 17:51.55 | maskm | What's the best way to compile an new kernel and install a bunch of packages without a network connection? |
| 17:51.57 | ajavid | yay I got debian branding on my backpack, my skateboard, my guitar, computer towers, shirts you name it |
| 17:52.05 | ajavid | positron`, only thing left now is a tattoo :) |
| 17:52.09 | positron` | hehehe |
| 17:52.35 | ajavid | maskm, without a network conenction? get kernel source, make sure you're able to build it, get all the dependencies, install on the system, and build the kernel |
| 17:52.47 | ajavid | maskm, you need only kernel source, and build dependencies |
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| 17:55.19 | leOn | howdy |
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| 17:56.23 | leOn | anyone knows how the hell can i redirect all device mapper/multipath error messages into a separate syslog file ? |
| 17:56.42 | maskm | ajavid, it looks like i'd have to manually download and install a bazillion packages |
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| 17:57.50 | ajavid | maskm, if you have a machine that you can use with debian, there a few ways to copy the packages |
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| 17:58.37 | ajavid | maskm, I can think of one way, clear out the cache (apt-get clean), then install everything you need. All the packages you need will be stored in /var/cache/apt/archives or something |
| 17:58.41 | _mrm_ | hi ho |
| 17:58.50 | ajavid | maskm, copy the packages out of there, bring on the new machine, install, build kernel |
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| 17:58.59 | ajavid | maskm, I dunno man... im not that smart |
| 17:59.01 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.09 | maskm | thanks |
| 17:59.17 | abrotman | maskm: what's wrong with the kernel debian has ? |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 17:59.27 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
| 17:59.35 | maskm | it doesn't have the ethernet driver I need |
| 17:59.37 | ajavid | awesome |
| 17:59.43 | maskm | (atl1c) |
| 17:59.45 | ajavid | I didn't even know apt-zip |
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| 18:00.32 | maskm | thanks abrotman |
| 18:00.35 | abrotman | maskm: which version of the kernel has that ? |
| 18:00.46 | maskm | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 18:00.52 | maskm | er |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | maskm: no .. which version has it |
| 18:00.54 | maskm | that's the one I have now |
| 18:01.07 | maskm | 2.6.30 is supposed to have it from what I've read |
| 18:01.13 | abrotman | !tell maskm about bpo |
| 18:01.17 | abrotman | problem solved |
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| 18:02.00 | ajavid | great tool this apt-zip |
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| 18:04.24 | hochron | does this tutorial seem sound? It does not ask the type of nvidia card. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ |
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| 18:06.20 | abrotman | maskm: there is a .30 kernel at backports.org |
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| 18:10.11 | maskm | abrotman, thanks I found it |
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| 18:12.40 | xororand | what's a good way to forward X11 locally, i.e. from a host to a virtual machine that's running on it? |
| 18:12.52 | xororand | "ssh -X" works but is kinda sluggish and pointless for local connections |
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| 18:14.22 | kbad | if i'm trying to dist-upgrade with apt-get and it tries to remove a package how can i determine which package is conflicting with it? |
| 18:15.14 | kbad | it being the package that is marked for removal |
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| 18:16.29 | jpinx-eeepc | xororand: ssh -X works well for me, but you can try http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ - OR -- rdesktop on linux |
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| 18:16.55 | abrotman | kbad: you should be using aptitude .. aptitude why-not foo |
| 18:17.05 | xororand | jpinx-eeepc: it's not possible to seamlessly integrate a single window with x11vnc or rdesktop, is it? |
| 18:17.08 | abrotman | kbad: aptitude is the recommended tool |
| 18:17.23 | xororand | jpinx-eeepc: it should work like this (executed from X11 desktop): ssh -X remotehost firefox |
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| 18:18.52 | nawk | Hi, I need help removing a package which i didn't install properly. I tried to remove it by doing: "dpkg --purge googleearth-package" but it outputs: " dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove googleearth which isn't installed." |
| 18:19.15 | nawk | "dpkg -l *google*" shows |
| 18:19.16 | jpinx-eeepc | xororand: ssh into the remote box and do firefox --no-remote & |
| 18:19.26 | nawk | "pn googleearth <none> (no description available)" |
| 18:19.43 | jpinx-eeepc | nawk: aptitude purge <package> |
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| 18:20.02 | abrotman | it's been removed |
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| 18:23.00 | nawk | jpinx-eeepc, that worked out nicely :) thanks. why didn't "dpkg --purge googleearth-package"? |
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| 18:23.36 | jpinx-eeepc | nawk: aptitude is your friend ;) |
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| 18:26.19 | funalien | is it possible to download debian squeeze via torrent in cd/dvd version? or only with netinst? |
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| 18:27.02 | leOn | funalien: why don't you use jigdo ? |
| 18:27.39 | jpinx-eeepc | funalien: see debian.org for methods of downloading |
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| 18:28.20 | jelly | oh, squeeze |
| 18:28.30 | abrotman | funalien: install lenny and dist-upgrade |
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| 18:28.42 | abrotman | the squeeze CD/DVD would be out of date in two days |
| 18:29.17 | funalien | abrotman, I should change repo-s in sources.list? |
| 18:29.24 | abrotman | sure |
| 18:29.48 | funalien | abrotman, change lenny -> testing? |
| 18:30.09 | abrotman | !tell funalien about lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:31.13 | funalien | abrotman, thanks. Should I make backup before making changes? |
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| 18:31.24 | abrotman | that's up to you .. depends how important your data is |
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| 18:31.38 | jpinx-eeepc | funalien: you realise you can't downgrade? |
| 18:32.13 | funalien | abrotman, is it so dangerous to upgrade my system to unstable so I should want to make backup? |
| 18:32.38 | funalien | jpinx-eeepc, I haven't thought about this, yet. |
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| 18:33.06 | jpinx-eeepc | funalien: if you have to ask that - think about why you want to go to squeeze |
| 18:33.21 | jpinx-eeepc | what's wrong with stable and backports? |
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| 18:34.43 | positron` | Can someone help me with alsa? It's not working. The audio is listed in lspci. alsamixer is not muted but alsaconf gives me this error: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 18:34.44 | funalien | jpinx-eeepc, that's ok. |
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| 18:34.51 | chops1 | funalien: If you're at all worried about your system, you shouldn't upgrade to unstable. Also, you should have backups anyway :-) |
| 18:35.07 | funalien | jpinx-eeepc, abrotman leOn - thanks |
| 18:35.26 | funalien | chops1, with which software? |
| 18:35.45 | chops1 | funalien: I use tar |
| 18:35.46 | funalien | chops1, or just copy important data? :) |
| 18:35.51 | chops1 | funalien: I've also heard good things about amanda |
| 18:36.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell positron` about alsa-checklist |
| 18:36.32 | mjt | gnome says: "Unable to mount volume <foo>: invalid parameter for mount command". Where to see actual command used and its actual output? |
| 18:36.33 | hochron | does this tutorial seem sound? It does not ask the type of nvidia card. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ |
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| 18:37.06 | justin | hochron: no, don't follow those instructions |
| 18:37.07 | BlueG | Various kernel log messages like usb connects and disconnects are being sent to the virtual terminals where a user is logged in, can I change this? |
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| 18:37.51 | hochron | justin: ok, how do I install my nvidia then? |
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| 18:38.05 | mjt | BlueG: add 'console=tty1' (for example) to the kernel command line |
| 18:38.20 | justin | hochron: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 18:38.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell hochron about nvidia |
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| 18:39.34 | izua | i need a iso image for the netinstall in a dvd format. is there such a thing? |
| 18:39.35 | jpinx-eeepc | mjt: out of curiosity - can you change the tty for X like that? |
| 18:39.57 | jpinx-eeepc | izua: check debian.org |
| 18:40.08 | izua | i wouldn't ask if i would have found it |
| 18:40.15 | izua | there are only CD images |
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| 18:40.47 | chops1 | izua: You can burn the net install onto a DVD I think. You'll just use up less space :-) |
| 18:41.20 | jpinx-eeepc | izua: DVD or CD is immaterial |
| 18:41.21 | mjt | jpinx-eeepc: X can use specified tty |
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| 18:41.32 | izua | well, i'm under windows right now |
| 18:41.38 | jpinx-eeepc | mjt: cool - thanks;) |
| 18:41.39 | BlueG | mjt: will adding 'console=tty1' turn off these messages for tty1, or send them only to tty1? |
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| 18:41.48 | mjt | BlueG: send to tty1 |
| 18:42.00 | izua | and i'll need a lot of software to allow to convert between formats since nero can't burn a cd image on a dvd |
| 18:42.24 | jpinx-eeepc | mjt: I thought tty1 is the default for boot messages - no? |
| 18:42.30 | mjt | jpinx-eeepc: you can even run several X servers ;) |
| 18:42.37 | enouf | Eulex: so how's it going |
| 18:42.45 | mjt | the default is "current" tty |
| 18:43.02 | jpinx-eeepc | mjt: yea - I guess you can go into another tty and just start X again? |
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| 18:43.03 | enouf | BlueG: see /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:43.12 | enouf | it's TTY0 |
| 18:43.20 | enouf | the 'current' tty |
| 18:43.58 | enouf | you can send messages to say; TTY13, but you need asn /etc/inittab entry and a sysfs.conf one |
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| 18:44.17 | mjt | enouf: inittab for what? |
| 18:44.36 | hochron | thanks for the help justin and jpinx-eeepc |
| 18:44.42 | Eulex | enouf, everything went well when starting out and partitioning manually, I discovered a detail I didn't do before... so it was my own mistake. |
| 18:44.42 | enouf | er |
| 18:44.44 | enouf | syslog.conf |
| 18:44.49 | enouf | not sysfs.conf |
| 18:44.57 | enouf | mjt: to enable the TTY |
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| 18:45.12 | mjt | enouf: syslog.conf how, exactly? :) |
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| 18:45.20 | mjt | (hint: syslog has nothing to do wiht it) |
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| 18:45.33 | mjt | enouf: sysctl too, btw. |
| 18:45.41 | enouf | mjt: it has _everything_ to do with sending kernel messages elsewhere |
| 18:45.54 | enouf | mjt: sysctl.conf to turn OFF messages |
| 18:46.01 | enouf | now - you 'splain |
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| 18:46.24 | mjt | switching between tty0 and ttyN can only be done in kernel command line. Dunno why. |
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| 18:46.40 | enouf | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 18:46.40 | enouf | #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 18:46.43 | mjt | syslog can be used to - additionaly - direct messages to, say, xconsole |
| 18:46.48 | enouf | capisce? |
| 18:46.58 | enouf | that's from sysctl.conf |
| 18:46.58 | mjt | wug |
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| 18:47.05 | mjt | can you actually read what i wrote? |
| 18:47.06 | enouf | screw xconsole |
| 18:47.12 | enouf | can you? |
| 18:47.17 | enouf | read what I wrote? |
| 18:47.20 | mjt | sure |
| 18:47.26 | mjt | i know these things full well |
| 18:47.32 | enouf | then do so - and comprehend please |
| 18:47.40 | enouf | mjt: wonderful |
| 18:47.45 | enouf | ever do it IRL? |
| 18:47.46 | enouf | i have |
| 18:47.50 | jpinx-eeepc | wishes he hadn't asked |
| 18:48.07 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: hush hon ;-) |
| 18:48.25 | mjt | with sysctl you can only control level ("importance") of messages printed to console |
| 18:48.27 | enouf | mjt: now - example coming up to redirect to other TTY |
| 18:48.30 | mjt | ie, the "amount" |
| 18:48.36 | enouf | mjt: and turn them OFF |
| 18:48.50 | mjt | turning off is like setting "amount" to 0 |
| 18:48.56 | mjt | but not redirecting |
| 18:48.57 | enouf | there are also kernel boot params that can be used |
| 18:49.02 | enouf | mjt: bullshit |
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| 18:49.09 | enouf | redirect to TTY13 |
| 18:49.11 | enouf | or !@ |
| 18:49.12 | mjt | that's what i talked about since the beginninbg 0 kernel parameter |
| 18:49.14 | enouf | or 11 |
| 18:49.18 | mjt | yes ther's /dev/kmsg |
| 18:49.19 | enouf | or whereveer |
| 18:49.36 | mjt | wyg |
| 18:49.38 | enouf | waana an example? or are you going to babble all day? |
| 18:50.01 | enouf | oki then .. one moment |
| 18:50.15 | mjt | .ignore enouf |
| 18:50.18 | mjt | ignore enouf |
| 18:50.24 | mjt | damn |
| 18:50.30 | jelly | gvies mjt a / |
| 18:50.38 | mjt | thanks! :) |
| 18:50.52 | jelly | you're dyslexically welcome |
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| 18:50.55 | ajavid | wow. |
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| 18:51.18 | ajavid | *sigh* |
| 18:51.49 | positron` | jpinx-eeepc: I did the checklist, still the same. |
| 18:52.07 | ajavid | people have been fucking freaking me out lately with thier amazingly bizzare behavriour |
| 18:52.10 | ajavid | good day |
| 18:52.39 | enouf | jelly - what's your take - i'm wrong? or ... |
| 18:52.54 | enouf | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m4db7e45c |
| 18:52.55 | jelly | I'm staying out of this. |
| 18:53.07 | enouf | mjt: there ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 18:54.04 | enouf | mjt: are you really ignoring me when i sent you an example? i actually TOOK the fucken TIME to appease your nonsense? |
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| 18:54.36 | enouf | son of a cunt |
| 18:54.40 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:54.43 | enouf | sorry |
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| 18:55.37 | mjt | dislikes too hot and too noisy kids. |
| 18:55.56 | jelly | the cake was a lie! |
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| 18:57.30 | enouf | !rosegardensmite some asshat |
| 18:57.32 | mjt | speaking of console redirections, there's an ioctl for that (to be done after boot i mean), -- TIOCCONS -- but for that one need to write a program or find an utility. To switch from tty0 (the default, or whatever it was in kernel command line) to something else. |
| 18:57.50 | enouf | !tiptoethroughthetulipssmite all others |
| 18:58.10 | enouf | TTY0 IS THE CURRENT FUCKEN CONSOLE |
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| 18:58.34 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: calm down please |
| 18:58.41 | enouf | but yu don't see it, since you're a pussy and /ig me |
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| 18:58.46 | jelly | enouf: cool down, dude. If you worry about who's wrong and who's right, the terrorists have already won. |
| 18:58.47 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: ok ;-) |
| 18:59.03 | enouf | jelly: are you a twewworista ? :-P |
| 18:59.14 | paxcoder | wha? |
| 18:59.40 | enouf | aren't you some TV channel paxcoder |
| 18:59.44 | enouf | ? |
| 19:00.19 | paxcoder | enouf is enouf, enouf |
| 19:00.41 | paxcoder | lols at his lame joke |
| 19:00.43 | enouf | !enouf |
| 19:00.43 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 19:01.07 | mjt | who's that 'a2' thing which constantly re-joins? |
| 19:01.17 | enouf | j0'm0mma |
| 19:01.30 | enouf | most likely - nagging me .. for some __________- |
| 19:01.42 | jelly | a bot searching for onjoin spam, mjt |
| 19:02.01 | helo | apparently 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/thumb-drive/file bs=1M count=1000' causes the kernel to cache ~1GB of zeroes while waiting on the slow thumb drive to catch up |
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| 19:02.17 | enouf | no it doesn't |
| 19:02.18 | jelly | helo: "sync" is your friend |
| 19:02.21 | mjt | helo: use oflag=direct |
| 19:02.29 | enouf | helo: read the man page |
| 19:02.30 | mjt | heh |
| 19:02.42 | enouf | and send it kill -USR1 to see |
| 19:02.42 | paxcoder | nooo, you can't have dd -i file -o secondfile, that'd be too standard for dd |
| 19:02.45 | helo | well, somehow the kernel starts killing processes saying that i'm out of memory when i do that :) |
| 19:03.04 | enouf | or .. USB sucks so much .,.,, |
| 19:03.06 | mjt | jelly: conv=sync (dd option) or sync(1) doesn't prevent cache trashing |
| 19:03.14 | jelly | helo: do what mjt said, then |
| 19:03.21 | enouf | because NOTHING Local/SystemBus related does that |
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| 19:03.29 | paxcoder | jelly: hello. |
| 19:03.39 | jelly | mjt: I was thinking the command to flush it out. |
| 19:03.49 | enouf | helo: that's your /proc/sys/vm/* settings |
| 19:03.56 | enouf | man proc |
| 19:03.57 | mjt | jelly: that's sync(1) above :) |
| 19:03.58 | paxcoder | wishes the bug came out and fought like a man. |
| 19:04.11 | jelly | oh. don't expect me to read. |
| 19:04.21 | mjt | i don't ;) |
| 19:04.26 | paxcoder | man bug |
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| 19:05.00 | enouf | helo: your mount options or FSType might be so stupid as to exibit some strange behaviour ... i've never seen dd cache anything larger than it's bs= option |
| 19:05.38 | enouf | it writes immediately here to whichever block device i'm writing to |
| 19:05.48 | jelly | helo: uname -a, just for fun? |
| 19:05.54 | enouf | but then again, i don't use USB at all |
| 19:06.11 | helo | enouf: the memory usage doesn't go up for 'dd', but my cached memory (from free or top) increases until i run out, with sufficiently large count= |
| 19:06.20 | mjt | dd does not cache anything |
| 19:06.29 | mjt | but kernel does |
| 19:06.29 | jelly | vfs does! |
| 19:06.38 | mjt | that's why i suggested oflag=direct |
| 19:06.39 | helo | thanks mjt :) |
| 19:07.01 | justin | helo: uh, cached is good, you want cached to go up |
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| 19:07.08 | mjt | and it really will start firing OOM killer if amount of data is larger than memory |
| 19:07.20 | helo | justin: not if it starts killing processes to grow cached |
| 19:07.28 | jelly | where's your swap, helo! |
| 19:07.31 | mjt | justin: cache trashing and OOM killing is much worse :) |
| 19:07.50 | justin | mjt: sounds like has other issues |
| 19:08.05 | helo | i have 4GB of swap... maybe it was too slow related to how quickly the memory usage was growing? |
| 19:08.42 | mjt | justin: when you write a large file to an usb flash, it's most likely you'll pull it out right when it finishes to transfer it elsewhere... so caching that stuff is worthless |
| 19:08.45 | justin | helo: do you have the output of free saved from when you ran it? |
| 19:08.46 | enouf | free -m says? |
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| 19:09.00 | mjt | helo: swap isn't used for dirty buffers |
| 19:09.09 | enouf | nor kernel |
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| 19:09.15 | enouf | the kernel cannot be swapped |
| 19:09.23 | helo | gives another cookie to mjt |
| 19:09.36 | enouf | chops helo up with a copter |
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| 19:09.48 | helo | justin: no |
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| 19:10.01 | enouf | helo: your mount options suck too .. i'm sure |
| 19:10.01 | jelly | one would think dirty buffer writeouts would happen |
| 19:10.07 | enouf | not to mention your FSType |
| 19:10.32 | enouf | dirty_pages can be controlled, through sysctl and mount options |
| 19:10.33 | jelly | helo: and your dog is ugly too! |
| 19:10.54 | enouf | not to mention HUGETLB should one choose to employ them |
| 19:10.56 | jpinx-eeepc | helo: yea -and your cat smells |
| 19:11.07 | jpinx-eeepc | ;) |
| 19:11.14 | enouf | sniffs some pussy |
| 19:11.14 | mjt | what's going on? |
| 19:11.18 | enouf | :-P |
| 19:11.28 | dareth | for a second I thought this was ##politics |
| 19:11.31 | mjt | it all looks like a bunch of clowns |
| 19:11.42 | mjt | ok, supper time... bbl. |
| 19:11.47 | jpinx-eeepc | mjt: it's quiet today |
| 19:11.50 | enouf | dareth: no - you'd see Fractional Reserve Banking bashing if it was |
| 19:12.02 | enouf | dareth: and rightfully so ;-) |
| 19:12.13 | enouf | stews mjt |
| 19:12.34 | stew | that's enouf |
| 19:12.51 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: stew |
| 19:13.07 | enouf | mjt: no OOM will fire off if you know how to set it up through sysctl |
| 19:13.12 | dareth | actually, tech stuff get discussed more than reserve banking.. |
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| 19:13.16 | dareth | with a few holocaust deniers. |
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| 19:13.31 | enouf | mjt: it'll push it to swap though |
| 19:13.39 | jelly | enouf: dude, you're talking to a person that knows more about the kernel than you'll learn in next 3 years |
| 19:13.42 | enouf | and then will ... lag ... forever |
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| 19:13.50 | enouf | jelly: thanks |
| 19:13.52 | jelly | just in case it wasn't obvious by now. |
| 19:14.05 | enouf | jelly: no,it wasn't - all i saw was an asshole |
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| 19:14.09 | enouf | a hairy one |
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| 19:14.56 | enouf | jelly: but you know what? nobody is questioning what my pastebion states |
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| 19:15.24 | enouf | jelly: must be one of those _side_ kernel devs |
| 19:15.29 | jelly | it's not about being right, it's about solving issues. |
| 19:15.48 | enouf | jelly: and i offered a solution .. and was attacked |
| 19:15.49 | jpinx-eeepc | enouf: probably no-one read it |
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| 19:15.56 | enouf | and my solution works! |
| 19:16.14 | jpinx-eeepc | the problem had gone away long before |
| 19:16.18 | jelly | who cares? Cool down. |
| 19:16.29 | enouf | jelly: you brought it up |
| 19:16.57 | jelly | yeah, I won't make that mistake again |
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| 19:17.28 | enouf | guilt ,, hehe .. talk about acting dogmatic |
| 19:17.50 | enouf | s/dogmatic/religious/ |
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| 19:18.55 | enouf | jelly: just a FWIW, i got that solution from a mathematics doctorate holder who deals with things like FastFourier Tranforms and such |
| 19:19.12 | cr3 | if I have a project which creates two packages, is there a way to have one package depend on the same version as the other package without having to update the debian/control file each new release? |
| 19:19.20 | enouf | the name is there - in the pastebin |
| 19:19.41 | stew | cr3: are they part of the same source package? |
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| 19:19.50 | cr3 | stew: yes |
| 19:20.06 | enouf | sooo .. i claim no "i know better than you ... " |
| 19:20.11 | stew | cr3: then yes, hang on, there is some variable like ${Source:Version} you can use |
| 19:20.42 | cr3 | stew: awesome! let me know where you find that variable, I would like to look at that section in the documentation further |
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| 19:21.37 | hanibana | hi all |
| 19:22.08 | hanibana | is there any equivalent for Red Hat "setup" utility in Debian ? |
| 19:22.16 | enouf | no |
| 19:22.45 | hanibana | enouf: even for network configuration part? |
| 19:22.45 | stew | hanibana: what does "setup" do? |
| 19:22.48 | enouf | has no idea what RH setup means |
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| 19:23.21 | enouf | just knows Debian doesn;t care about RH equivs .. for good reason |
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| 19:24.00 | enouf | hanibana: if you mean "preseed" (automated installs) then perhap |
| 19:24.23 | hanibana | enouf: no, wait I explain it.... |
| 19:24.28 | enouf | hanibana: ok |
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| 19:24.35 | enouf | no hurry |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | does'nt mean there isn't something that does a similar job |
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| 19:25.31 | enouf | no shit sherlock .. i corrected myself |
| 19:26.07 | stew | cr3: yeah, you can do "Depends: otherPacakge (= ${source:Version})" |
| 19:26.15 | enouf | places a Dr Watson hat on abrotman ;-) |
| 19:26.58 | stew | enouf: perhaps you need a break |
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| 19:27.57 | xomhau | hi all |
| 19:28.37 | xomhau | how to add a character into every line? |
| 19:29.32 | enouf | xomhau: sed |
| 19:29.40 | enouf | stew: perhaps |
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| 19:30.07 | abrotman | hanibana: are you going to explain it? |
| 19:30.13 | hanibana | enouf: I just want a user friendly UI-based tool (not GUI !) to configure Debian network in console... |
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| 19:30.28 | xomhau | enouf: enouf can you give me a tutorial? |
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| 19:30.33 | abrotman | hanibana: there used to be one .. but the interfaces file is pretty easy |
| 19:30.35 | xomhau | enouf: or example |
| 19:30.36 | enouf | wow .. adjective smother bomb |
| 19:30.44 | enouf | xomhau: ask #sed |
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| 19:31.06 | xomhau | enouf: thank |
| 19:31.16 | biopyte | hi. the fan of my thinkpad61 is rotating constantly. is there a straightforward and secure tool to control the fan? |
| 19:31.26 | enouf | hanibana: you might be wanting an ncurses option |
| 19:31.30 | stew | hanibana: one doesn't exist. however there are tools like network-manager or wicd if perhaps that would work for you |
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| 19:31.40 | abrotman | hanibana: maybe "network-config" ? |
| 19:31.44 | hanibana | abrotman: a part of this Red Hat setup utility is for network configuration.... |
| 19:31.58 | stew | oh, didn't know about that one |
| 19:32.04 | enouf | hanibana: does that ONLY occur during installation? |
| 19:32.07 | mjt | biopyte: are you sure it's not overheating? |
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| 19:32.15 | enouf | or can you recall it anytime? hanibana |
| 19:32.30 | abrotman | stew: it's gtk2 .. but has a cli interface .. whatever that means |
| 19:32.32 | hanibana | enouf : NO, just type setup in any time... |
| 19:32.37 | abrotman | judd: info network-config --version lenny |
| 19:32.37 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 19:32.46 | abrotman | judd: info network-config --release lenny |
| 19:32.47 | judd | abrotman: network-config (utils): is optional; Version: 0.2-1; Size: 31.5k; Installed: 196k -- Simple network configuration tool |
| 19:33.01 | enouf | hanibana: ok -- and i'm aware of the older system-config-netcard type things |
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| 19:33.32 | enouf | nawk: but stew answereds you directly |
| 19:33.33 | biopyte | mjt: dont know, but the box is not on heavy load. just browsing and playing music. i dont think the cpu need constant cooling at this stage. |
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| 19:33.39 | enouf | er |
| 19:33.49 | enouf | hanibana: but stew answereds you directly |
| 19:33.49 | hanibana | another part is for firewall configuration.... I remember about a tool named "lokkit" ... but, not present in Lenny... |
| 19:33.54 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:34.00 | enouf | TrueDD: yo ! |
| 19:34.14 | stew | enouf: though that was before I had heard of network-config, which might be what he was looking for |
| 19:34.16 | enouf | TrueDD: that twice in less than 1 week ;-) |
| 19:34.20 | TrueDD | yo enouf :) |
| 19:34.24 | enouf | stew: i see |
| 19:34.33 | hanibana | stew: i see... |
| 19:34.37 | hanibana | haha |
| 19:34.43 | mjt | biopyte: it depends on many factors. Like, is cpufreq enabled/working? Does it have enough ventilation? (Think dust in vent holes too) etc |
| 19:34.43 | biopyte | mjt: im afraid there is a hidden setting that makes the fan rotating at speed on default. |
| 19:34.44 | TrueDD | yeah ! :) |
| 19:34.49 | abrotman | stew: bleh .. depends on too much gtk stuff |
| 19:34.56 | abrotman | should probably be a network-config-nox |
| 19:34.57 | enouf | hanibana: we have ~20k pkgs in main for stable, IINM |
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| 19:35.09 | enouf | dstats lenny |
| 19:35.19 | abrotman | you forgot to cue the bot |
| 19:35.24 | enouf | !dstats lenny |
| 19:35.26 | enouf | thanks |
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| 19:35.31 | mjt | biopyte: on all notebooks I've seen (since i486 era) the fan were auto-controlled |
| 19:35.49 | mjt | biopyte: i can't say they ALL are like that, however -- I dunno |
| 19:36.02 | jpinx-eeepc | biopyte: acpi maybe has fan settings? |
| 19:36.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59039 MB installed size, 20845 MB compressed size. |
| 19:36.15 | biopyte | mjt: cpufreq is running, the cpu is constantly at 800 MHz |
| 19:36.18 | mjt | biopyte: in any way, check with sensors for example, or /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/* |
| 19:36.42 | enouf | jpinx-eeepc: that's controlled usually through i2c chip support and lm-sensors |
| 19:36.56 | hanibana | thanks all ..... I'm going to sleep... I like u all :) |
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| 19:37.06 | abrotman | enouf: he even likes you! |
| 19:37.08 | enouf | mjt: that's APM, not ACPI |
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| 19:37.26 | mjt | what is APM? |
| 19:37.35 | enouf | mjt> biopyte: on all notebooks I've seen (since i486 era) the fan were auto-controlled |
| 19:37.40 | g00se | 'installed size' is for those people wanting to install every package? |
| 19:37.44 | biopyte | jpinx-eeepc: is there a gui to tweak that lm-sensors stuff. im not in tweaking a lot text files at the moment. |
| 19:37.51 | hochron | looking at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers what if none of the methods work? |
| 19:37.53 | mjt | i don't care if it's apm or acpi really, as far as it works |
| 19:38.20 | patrikf | hochron: huh? why shouldn't they work? |
| 19:38.21 | enouf | mjt: you better - cause /etc/* conffiles will play a part |
| 19:38.22 | mjt | (and i never said it's acpi) |
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| 19:38.27 | jpinx-eeepc | biopyte: dunno - I do the files - I have a file /proc/acpi/fan |
| 19:38.43 | hochron | apt-get never finds the code :( |
| 19:38.49 | exobyte | I have a script where I read another program's output from a pipe. For some reason, the "read x" line just stalls, even when there are newlines. For fun, I tried cat threeLineFile | read x ; echo $x, but I didn't get anything that was in the files |
| 19:38.53 | enouf | abrotman: b/c i'm smart? or .. i'm not an asshole? |
| 19:39.09 | abrotman | maybe he's crazy? :) |
| 19:39.10 | enouf | abrotman: rhetorical |
| 19:39.22 | enouf | answer == c! |
| 19:39.23 | hochron | patrikf: it never finds a driver |
| 19:39.52 | mjt | exobyte: that last 'cat' thing -- `cat | read' is run in a subshell |
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| 19:40.15 | mjt | exobyte: for that cat thing to work you have to use : cat foo | { read x; echo $x; } |
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| 19:40.48 | biopyte | jpinx-eeepc, /proc/acpi/ibm/fan tells "speed 3044" and level "auto" |
| 19:40.54 | exobyte | mjt: really? What do the braces do? |
| 19:41.03 | mjt | exobyte: grouping? |
| 19:41.14 | biopyte | i think speed 3044 is too much at this load |
| 19:41.16 | jpinx-eeepc | biopyte: there you have it - auto - edit at you own risk ;) |
| 19:41.28 | biopyte | better not |
| 19:41.40 | exobyte | mjt: indeed, that fixed it |
| 19:41.41 | biopyte | :-| |
| 19:41.52 | mjt | well, having it running at full speed all the time is asking for trouble too |
| 19:41.59 | hochron | patrikf: the only thing apr-cache search nvidia finds is nvidia-xconfig. |
| 19:42.01 | exobyte | mjt: I suppose I should google grouing |
| 19:42.05 | jpinx-eeepc | biopyte: slow it down a bit maybe |
| 19:42.08 | hochron | apt |
| 19:42.09 | rektide | i'm trying to figure out how to use the command newgrp |
| 19:42.16 | mjt | exobyte: no, just a good boot on bourne shell ;) |
| 19:42.19 | rektide | the only way i've gotten it to work is to set a gpasswd |
| 19:42.39 | mjt | exobyte: s/boot/book/ |
| 19:42.41 | rektide | but it seems silly the only other way to use the various group permissions i have is to use chgrp |
| 19:43.02 | rektide | is there some way to use newgrp and not get prompted for a password? |
| 19:43.04 | justin | !wayttd rektide |
| 19:43.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rektide? |
| 19:43.35 | rektide | when i create files, i want them automatically to be created with group ownership of one of my secondary groups |
| 19:44.01 | mjt | rektide: for that, use chgrp and chmod g+s on directories |
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| 19:44.18 | biopyte | jpinx-eeepc, the 2 thermal zones have 44 and 42C. thats not hot at all. |
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| 19:44.22 | rektide | ug thats painful |
| 19:44.23 | biopyte | whatever |
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| 19:44.27 | exobyte | mjt: did I see this problem because the value of x isn't being retained when read finishes? |
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| 19:44.44 | mjt | exobyte: your read is executed in another process |
| 19:44.54 | jpinx-eeepc | biopyte: play around with the setting and just keep an eye on the temp. |
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| 19:45.25 | exobyte | mjt: that makes sense, at least in the shell scripting world |
| 19:45.35 | tCzern | is there a substitute command for mobprobe in debian? I get command not found, thanks |
| 19:45.48 | nawk | enouf, i'm sorry, i was away from my desk just now. Did I miss something? |
| 19:45.52 | dmoerner | tCzern, you will need to run it as root |
| 19:45.53 | biopyte | jpinx-eeepc, i think i wont do that. too risky. anyway, where can i adjust these kind of settings. |
| 19:45.59 | biopyte | ? |
| 19:46.00 | tCzern | oy |
| 19:46.00 | hochron | this command wont work apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) |
| 19:46.01 | mjt | biopyte: i guess your best bet is to google for your notebook and linux (not debian!) and fan control. in a hope someone figured the solution. And/or study/try available options in /proc/acpi/* |
| 19:46.04 | tCzern | alright! |
| 19:46.16 | biopyte | mjt: ok |
| 19:46.16 | patrikf | hochron: sudo m-a a-i nvidia |
| 19:46.36 | exobyte | mjt: so what do I do if "read x" is in a script, and the cat is piping stdout to that script? |
| 19:46.40 | hochron | hmm ok patrikf, thanks |
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| 19:46.47 | jpinx-eeepc | biopyte: what mjt said - all laptops are different |
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| 19:47.04 | biopyte | alright. thanks, anyway |
| 19:47.53 | mjt | exobyte: man sh (or man bash). or any good reference/guide. What you see here is "pipeline", which is executed in a subprocess. that `read' is like: cat foo | sh -c 'read x' -- ie, run another shell. |
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| 19:48.23 | magyar_ | hi, does the default lenny install has some sort of ntp date sync? |
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| 19:48.38 | magyar_ | s/date/time |
| 19:48.42 | mjt | exobyte: you can group the commands forcibly with {} or (), -- in my case both read and echo are don in one and the same process |
| 19:48.56 | exobyte | mjt: that much I get, but isn't read supposed to gobble stuff up out of the buffer as quickly as it can? |
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| 19:49.22 | exobyte | mjt: what I'm seeing looks almost like the lines are getting buffered up |
| 19:49.32 | mjt | exobyte: note all the shell variables are per-process. some can be exported to children (the one which are marked with `export'), but no changes in one process affects another |
| 19:49.58 | mjt | read reads one line (char by char) |
| 19:49.59 | exobyte | mjt: right, but read isn't terminating |
| 19:50.05 | exobyte | within my script |
| 19:50.17 | mjt | well, that's script-dependent, so to say :) |
| 19:50.43 | exobyte | mjt: I'm not really using cat...I'm using sometihng that generates infinite stdout |
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| 19:51.15 | mjt | try hitting enter or ctrl+D - maybe it's waiting for input from script's stdin? |
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| 19:51.28 | jeev | anyone running xen? i'm trying to figure out why it wont pass alias/additional ips |
| 19:51.48 | exobyte | mjt: if I just run the command, I get a bunch of numbers, each on a different line. And it's definitely on stdout |
| 19:51.53 | mjt | exobyte: like: cat foo | read line1; read line2 -- that 2nd read will NOT read from cat |
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| 19:52.13 | exobyte | mjt: right |
| 19:52.14 | hochron | patrikf: what if I cant get m-a to work? apt-cache search m-a doesn't find it? what does m-a stand for anyways? |
| 19:52.26 | mjt | hochron: module-assistant |
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| 19:52.47 | mjt | !dpkg m-a |
| 19:52.47 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
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| 19:53.18 | exobyte | mjt: but what I have is cat foo | sh <whatever the flag is> "{ read x; read y; echo $x $y }" |
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| 19:53.23 | hochron | thanks mjt! |
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| 19:54.33 | mjt | exobyte: shure your cat writes to stdout and not stderr? |
| 19:54.40 | exobyte | mjt: yup |
| 19:55.17 | mjt | and if you read just x, not y? |
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| 19:55.50 | mjt | maybe #sh is more appropriate for that |
| 19:55.56 | KiRLi | how can i mount ext4 hdd on debian 5 ? |
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| 19:56.09 | exobyte | mjt: it's actually one read in a loop, but it doesn't get past the first one. #sh? perhaps |
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| 19:56.36 | mjt | and it's a time to show actual script |
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| 19:56.47 | mjt | enough guessing |
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| 19:57.20 | g00se | exobyte: What about cat somefile | while read x ;do echo $x;done ? |
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| 19:57.40 | mjt | canonical construct it is :) |
| 19:58.13 | exobyte | nothing |
| 19:58.48 | patrikf | another useless use of cat |
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| 19:58.59 | exobyte | not really |
| 19:59.04 | mjt | patrikf: this one is not |
| 19:59.24 | g00se | patrikf: cat is not really there at all |
| 19:59.25 | mjt | it's an example of process that produces some output |
| 19:59.27 | patrikf | (while read x; do ...; done) < somefile ? |
| 19:59.40 | g00se | patrikf: There is no file |
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| 20:02.55 | exobyte | the canonical example isn't printing anything... Could this have something to do with the file descriptor never being closed? |
| 20:03.11 | exobyte | it works fine with cat |
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| 20:03.32 | greg606 | hi |
| 20:03.33 | DeathWolf | does anyone see any way to change the gateway depending on the tcp port for tcp connections? |
| 20:03.36 | DeathWolf | (or udp) |
| 20:03.42 | greg606 | what's the polish channel for debian? |
| 20:03.47 | DeathWolf | I basically want to route some specific tcp/udp traffic through a given gw |
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| 20:06.14 | achilles | hello all, I need to write a simple bash script that searches for a keyword in a configuration file and replace the follower with a sys variable, could anbody help me please ? |
| 20:06.30 | Eulex | achilles, man sed |
| 20:06.32 | action09 | achilles no :) |
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| 20:06.58 | exobyte | mjt: here's a big clue: "<command> | /tmp/foo" creates /tmp/foo, but it doesn't grow |
| 20:06.59 | achilles | action09, ahmm ;) thanks to Eulex .. disappointed you ;) |
| 20:07.10 | exobyte | mjt: and ctrl+c doesn't flush anything into it |
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| 20:07.29 | mjt | errrr |
| 20:07.32 | exobyte | mjt: I'm also not getting any stdout |
| 20:07.38 | exobyte | or, umm |
| 20:07.40 | mjt | what it is?? |
| 20:07.42 | exobyte | any output |
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| 20:07.47 | mjt | command | /tmp/foo |
| 20:07.49 | exobyte | some c program I wrote |
| 20:07.53 | mjt | that tells it to EXECUTE /tmp/foo |
| 20:07.54 | achilles | thanks guys |
| 20:08.04 | action09 | achilles joking* can't hepl you but yes read the 'man sed' , ref $ echo "toto tata" | sed -e 's/toto/tata/' |
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| 20:08.21 | exobyte | mjt: why | ? foo isn't executable |
| 20:08.32 | mjt | according to shell rules |
| 20:08.39 | achilles | action09, hehe, I'm joking too :D . thank you, you saved sometime searching |
| 20:08.44 | mjt | if you want redirect use > not | |
| 20:08.56 | mjt | it wont CREATE /tmp/foo |
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| 20:09.29 | mjt | if command | /tmp/foo CREATES /tmp/foo, your system is screwed badly |
| 20:09.29 | exobyte | mjt: what will it do, then? |
| 20:09.37 | mjt | it will complain |
| 20:09.49 | exobyte | mjt: ah. right, command not found |
| 20:09.59 | exobyte | mjt: my problem's with the buffering |
| 20:10.01 | mjt | but it shouldn't CREATE it |
| 20:10.22 | exobyte | mjt: after a few minutes (and maybe control+c), I saw something in the file |
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| 20:10.52 | dutchfish | mjt, not necesarely, command might give back something to stdout wich can be piped ... |
| 20:10.54 | mjt | for buffereing -- any program using stdio will do line-buffering on stdiout by default IFF it's connected to a terminal, or full-buffered if not |
| 20:11.18 | mjt | pipe is not terminal |
| 20:11.18 | macrobat | is there a way to adjust mouse sensitivity? there is 3 cm movement for the mouse pointer from one side of the desktop to the other |
| 20:11.34 | mjt | dutchfish: a | b never, ever, creates b |
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| 20:11.54 | dutchfish | mjt, right, but it might hand data to b |
| 20:12.08 | mjt | sure |
| 20:12.12 | exobyte | mjt: I get live(ish) output on the terminal, very delayed and bursty output with redirection (and probably pipes) |
| 20:12.21 | mjt | aha |
| 20:12.41 | mjt | add fflush(stdout) after each line, or explicitly set line-buffering |
| 20:12.55 | mjt | setvbuf() if memory serves |
| 20:13.04 | exobyte | I should have known that... |
| 20:13.06 | khaleel5000 | hey,are nvidia's packages for 180xxx drivers out yet? i cant seem to find them even in repo |
| 20:13.10 | exobyte | I was a TA for a C class for 3 years |
| 20:13.20 | khaleel5000 | even in sid repo* , i have sid |
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| 20:13.29 | mjt | exobyte: glibc has suprizes |
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| 20:13.58 | exobyte | mjt: THANK YOU |
| 20:14.14 | mjt | yw! :) |
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| 20:20.47 | hun7er | hello again. |
| 20:21.09 | hun7er | I solved my last problem :P |
| 20:21.11 | enouf | nawk: < nawk> enouf, i'm sorry, i was away from my desk just now. Did I miss something? <-- how would i know ;-) |
| 20:21.38 | hun7er | now I have problem with compiz-fusion ;/ |
| 20:21.45 | hun7er | a problem* |
| 20:22.06 | helo | how do i tell if my kernel has aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec support? cryptsetup seems to think that it does not |
| 20:22.38 | enouf | lets dutchfish know about cable+hub and some yescat nonesens ;-) |
| 20:22.44 | enouf | +e |
| 20:23.00 | enouf | helo: check with modinfo |
| 20:23.18 | dutchfish | enouf, ? |
| 20:23.24 | enouf | (if it's a module) |
| 20:23.32 | enouf | dutchfish: 16:10 < dutchfish> mjt, right, but it might hand data to b |
| 20:24.07 | enouf | dutchfish: http://tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue74/zhaoway.html |
| 20:24.09 | Spec | helo: it is aes, so i'm assuming you can check (cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep AES) for CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES=x |
| 20:24.28 | enouf | helo: once you see that |
| 20:24.29 | hun7er | any ideas why windows flash and frames dissapear when I run compiz --replace? I've already installed xgl and it didn't help :/ |
| 20:24.31 | Spec | if it's =M then you need to modprobe it, if it's =Y it's built into the kernel, if it's =N it's not a module or built into the kernel |
| 20:24.45 | enouf | helo: once you see that it's =m, then modinfo it |
| 20:24.48 | hun7er | I have ati drivers installed too... |
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| 20:25.11 | enouf | cat /proc/{modules,filesystems} |
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| 20:26.03 | enouf | Spec: you forgot #CONFIG not set |
| 20:26.32 | enouf | there is no =n, IIRC .. /me checks |
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| 20:27.21 | enouf | right, no =n |
| 20:27.45 | racecar56 | is it possible to get kde 4.2 on debian lenny? (feel free to fuss that it's bloated) |
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| 20:28.01 | enouf | atleast in 2.6.x kernels |
| 20:28.14 | enouf | racecar56: find stoned |
| 20:28.17 | enouf | er |
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| 20:28.53 | enouf | racecar56: find ajavid ,,, he's back{forward?}ported 3.x.x onto sid |
| 20:29.04 | Tagor | I connected my new server at the datacenter and I changed the ip address of eth0 to the one I got from the DC. But when I ping to a domain that is in the DNS of the server it pings to the old local ip address. Should I remove this local ip address (192.168.1.50) and how do I do this? |
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| 20:29.28 | enouf | !hostname |
| 20:29.28 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 20:29.33 | dutchfish | enouf, :) |
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| 20:30.05 | craigevil | racecar56: yes but its not officially supported> http://www.debian-desktop.org |
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| 20:30.27 | enouf | Tagor: /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
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| 20:31.10 | Spec | enouf: err |
| 20:31.10 | Spec | enouf: my bad ;) |
| 20:31.10 | Spec | enouf: you're right |
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| 20:31.55 | achilles | action09, is there a way to use it without redirecting output to a new file ? just modify the passed file |
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| 20:32.17 | achilles | action09, because there should be another replace command after |
| 20:32.24 | Spec | achilles: sed -i |
| 20:32.26 | enouf | Spec: about what? |
| 20:32.35 | Spec | achilles: makes sed run on the file, in-place. |
| 20:32.43 | Spec | enouf: there's no =N, it's just #config not set |
| 20:32.49 | enouf | oh,. ok |
| 20:32.54 | achilles | Spec, oh thank you, this is exactly what I need |
| 20:33.01 | Spec | achilles: man sed |
| 20:33.07 | Spec | would have told you that, and more ;) |
| 20:33.08 | Tagor | enouf >> in resolv.conf I have first my internet ip address as nameserver, and then the ip address of the DNS server of the DC. What do you mean with interfaces? |
| 20:33.14 | jelly | achilles: that might be less safe. What happens in a disk-full situation? |
| 20:33.29 | achilles | Spec, yeah I know :) |
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| 20:33.51 | achilles | jelly, that's right .. but hmm .. this is rarely happen |
| 20:33.52 | Spec | achilles: -i just creates a temp file anyways though |
| 20:33.59 | Tagor | enouf >> Oh I see now, in interfaces it only shows the internet ip address, not the local one (192.168.1.50) |
| 20:34.26 | achilles | Spec, yeah but more pretty in single command ;) |
| 20:35.06 | Spec | achilles: sed -e s/moo/quack/g file1 > file2 && sed -e s/ribbit/frawg/g file2 > file3 && mv file3 file1 && rm file2 ? |
| 20:35.12 | Spec | how is that not clear and concise?! |
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| 20:36.32 | jelly | oh noes! You lost file ownership and permissions! |
| 20:36.35 | achilles | Spec, okay I have a script that runs at startup and gets some info to configure a service, now I need to get the result file and replace the old one .. simpler in -i option |
| 20:37.09 | achilles | if it would be the same result at the end |
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| 20:37.23 | achilles | Spec, honestly, the command you just wrote is cool ;) |
| 20:38.03 | jelly | gives Spec a sed that can do multiple -e. Nay, it can do even 's/a/b/; s/c/d/'!! |
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| 20:38.20 | stew | Spec: "sed -i 's/moo/quack/g;s/ribbit/frawg/g' file1" does the same |
| 20:38.22 | solars | can anyone recommend a gui dvd burning utility? |
| 20:38.35 | jelly | stew: he knows, btw |
| 20:38.47 | stew | ok |
| 20:38.51 | stew | mee too |
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| 20:39.03 | joltcan | solars: k3b |
| 20:39.05 | jelly | mee three! Let's have a party! |
| 20:39.10 | solars | joltcan, thx |
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| 20:39.17 | n-iCe | hello! |
| 20:39.18 | achilles | is it the case when configuration utilities run and configure a service ? do they use sed ? |
| 20:39.35 | joltcan | solars: I haven't used a gui debian for a couple of years, but that one was the best I found |
| 20:39.46 | solars | right I think I remember it |
| 20:39.51 | solars | xcdroast sucks |
| 20:39.52 | solars | :) |
| 20:40.57 | dutchfish | solars, tried k3b? |
| 20:41.25 | solars | dutchfish, I'm using it right now, thanks |
| 20:41.33 | n-iCe | Ok, I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.2 but my wireless connections isn't working, indeed I downloaded and installed firmware-iwlwifi cuz i use a iwl3945, but it is still not working, any ideas? |
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| 20:41.44 | Tagor | enouf >> Ok I now changed the hosts-file and put the domain in it, but the other domains I have on the server still point to 192.168.1.50. Do I have to add them all as hostname? |
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| 20:47.17 | n-iCe | Ok, I installed Debian Lenny 5.0.2 but my wireless connections isn't working, indeed I downloaded and installed firmware-iwlwifi cuz i use a iwl3945, but it is still not working, any ideas? |
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| 20:48.42 | Eulex | n-iCe, did you try to reboot or otherwise reload the module? |
| 20:49.12 | n-iCe | yup |
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| 20:49.14 | n-iCe | and I feel like the ifup and ifdown doesnt' work |
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| 20:50.34 | alphaser | hi |
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| 20:52.04 | Spec | stew: jelly: sweet, i didn't know you could just separate the regexps with semis |
| 20:52.09 | Spec | jelly: who needs permissions? :) |
| 20:52.28 | jelly | Spec: those aren't regexps, those are commands! |
| 20:52.46 | g00se | n-iCe: what wireless tools are you using? |
| 20:53.14 | Spec | jelly: pedantic! |
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| 20:53.59 | workPragmatist | is bind required for using "dig" ? |
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| 20:54.19 | jelly | Spec: you should see my sed shell functions that do "chown --reference=old new" and "chmod --reference=old new"... |
| 20:54.27 | stew | workPragmatist: no |
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| 20:56.15 | workPragmatist | stew: to get it though you need dnsutils ? |
| 20:56.19 | workPragmatist | or just dns-browse? |
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| 20:56.36 | stew | dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig |
| 20:56.44 | stew | (says dlocate bin/dig) |
| 20:56.45 | PsiKlops | hi. Why isn't the Intel Pentium 75 - 200 (Classic) CPU supported anymore in the Debian 2.6.x Kernels? |
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| 20:57.16 | workPragmatist | but you need dnsutils which installed bind9 ? |
| 20:57.16 | stew | PsiKlops: what makes you think it isn't? |
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| 20:57.49 | Leandro | boa tarde |
| 20:57.53 | PsiKlops | stew: cause it doesnt work with any 2.6.x kernel i have installed to it |
| 20:57.58 | Leandro | br? |
| 20:58.13 | stew | PsiKlops: which kernel have you installed? you'd need to install a -486 kernel |
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| 20:58.20 | g00se | !br |
| 20:58.21 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:58.37 | PsiKlops | stew: it still has a 2.4.27-4-586tsc |
| 20:58.38 | sessizce | hi. i installed debian without desktop manager. after i installed gnome-core and gdm. should i install alsa packages? and which packages should i install? |
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| 20:59.01 | stew | PsiKlops: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:59.28 | PsiKlops | stew: lol, thats the deal, i want to run lenny or at least etch, but it has sarge :) |
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| 20:59.56 | stew | PsiKlops: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" then perhaps "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" |
| 21:00.36 | stew | workPragmatist: yeah, hmm, i guess they combined the bind cleant and server packages |
| 21:00.44 | workPragmatist | oh well |
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| 21:00.52 | workPragmatist | I just didn't want to install bind but w/e |
| 21:02.40 | sessizce | anybody else? |
| 21:02.55 | PsiKlops | stew: i even installed a 2.6.x kernel sarge has in its repo. and that didn't work either, i also made a total new install with etch and also froze on boot... something is missing on side of debian in the 2.6.x kernel for my specific CPU |
| 21:03.36 | stew | PsiKlops: which 2.6.x kernel did you install from sarge? |
| 21:03.52 | PsiKlops | one sec. got to throw on the thing ;) |
| 21:03.53 | stew | PsiKlops: no, nothing is missing for your CPU |
| 21:04.08 | stew | PsiKlops: I'm running etch on a 60 mhz pentium |
| 21:04.43 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: how much ram? |
| 21:04.57 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: 48mb |
| 21:05.08 | jpinx-eeepc | stew you got X running too? |
| 21:05.34 | PsiKlops | i got 40 mb max. |
| 21:08.56 | Ezep | xomhau: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:11.55 | PsiKlops | stew: kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 21:12.23 | PsiKlops | stew: could it be the hardware, the thing is around 20 some years old |
| 21:12.43 | PsiKlops | stew: runs with ISA and no PCI |
| 21:13.20 | stew | PsiKlops: a -386 kernel should work with a pentium cpu |
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| 21:16.04 | AphelionZ | What's the preferred way to handle www.domain.com and domain.com with the sites-enabled and sites-available directories? |
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| 21:16.29 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: sorry, no, its my router |
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| 21:17.03 | g00se | AphelionZ: Presumably you intend them to be the same site? |
| 21:17.32 | AphelionZ | g00se: yeah exactly, like i have domain.com, www.domain.com, domain.co.uk, and of course www.domain.co.uk |
| 21:17.41 | AphelionZ | and i dont really want to maintain four vhost files |
| 21:17.58 | AphelionZ | (all of which are the same exact site) |
| 21:18.19 | beardy | AphelionZ: You have your config in sites-available, and symlink the active ones in sites-enabled. www.domain.com and domain.com, one is ServerName, one is ServerAlias, in the same config. |
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| 21:19.01 | beardy | AphelionZ: So one config file, in sites-available. |
| 21:19.24 | beardy | AphelionZ: .co.uk and so on are ServerAlias:es aswell. |
| 21:19.42 | AphelionZ | so one config file in sites-available, four symlinks, and three server aliases? |
| 21:19.51 | AphelionZ | and one ServerName |
| 21:20.34 | mavhc | shouldn't one redirect to the other anyway? |
| 21:20.52 | valdyn | AphelionZ: you dont need to specify a host at all |
| 21:21.06 | valdyn | AphelionZ: *:80 matches all hosts |
| 21:21.16 | beardy | AphelionZ: No. One file, one symlink. ServerName and ServerAlias are vhost configuration file directives. "ServerName www.domain.com" \n "ServerAlias domain.com" \n "ServerAlias www.domain.co.uk" and so on. |
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| 21:21.49 | AphelionZ | and it doesnt matter which of the four i use for the name of the file / symlink? |
| 21:22.00 | AphelionZ | the four domains that is |
| 21:22.28 | beardy | AphelionZ: No, the name of the file is just that, a filename. The ServerName and ServerAlias(es) is what matters. |
| 21:22.28 | AphelionZ | I understand the ServerName / ServerAlias bit |
| 21:22.35 | AphelionZ | ok awesome |
| 21:22.42 | AphelionZ | thank you so much! |
| 21:22.49 | beardy | You're welcome :) |
| 21:23.02 | thehook | Hi, does anyone know of a "portable" tftp server that doesn't need to be installed? hopefully easy to configure, maybe with parameters? something similar to http://tftpd32.jounin.net/ for windows, or something that can be run after compiling without doing an "make install".. |
| 21:23.22 | valdyn | thehook: you need make install ever |
| 21:23.27 | valdyn | thehook: you *dont* need make install ever |
| 21:23.38 | valdyn | thehook: not normally |
| 21:24.19 | martianlobster | can someone tell me how to grep for the expression "-s" ? |
| 21:24.32 | thehook | valdyn: I tested with atftpd but it wasn't that happy to be run like i want :p and it seems a bit overkill.. I am using it just once to send a firmware to my router |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | thehook: apt-get install is probably significantly easier |
| 21:24.59 | jelly | martianlobster: GNU apps use -- to stop processing arguments. So grep -- -s filename |
| 21:25.10 | martianlobster | jelly thank you |
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| 21:26.01 | g00se | Or grep '\-s' x |
| 21:26.02 | jelly | martianlobster: a dirty and more portable workaround could have been eg. grep '[-]s' |
| 21:26.08 | twobitsprite | just curious, how often do you all reboot you debian boxes? |
| 21:26.25 | jelly | twobitsprite: when the kernel needs an update |
| 21:26.43 | jelly | or when there's hardware upgrades/fixes |
| 21:26.55 | twobitsprite | jelly: you don't do regular reboots... some admins like to do that |
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| 21:27.07 | helo | generally windows system admins... |
| 21:27.19 | twobitsprite | yeah |
| 21:27.57 | dareth | had some good uptime back in the Woody days. |
| 21:27.58 | jelly | twobitsprite: it's nice to confirm the machine actually works after a reboot, but Debian usually behaves in a deterministic way. |
| 21:28.04 | helo | the only time i usually reboot when it isn't required (for hardware or kernel changes), is if i've changed some configuration settings on a remote server, and i want to be sure its services come back up properly after booting |
| 21:28.12 | helo | heh |
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| 21:28.27 | simonrvn | twobitsprite: when the power goes out, or changing kernels |
| 21:29.06 | twobitsprite | seems like a consensus in here... I'm the same way, but I was just talking with a coworker who says he would reboot once a month |
| 21:29.09 | peterrooney | twobitsprite: when I want to play a game that wine chokes on. |
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| 21:29.38 | twobitsprite | peterrooney: well... home desktops are expect to reboot more often, I was mostly curious about servers, etc |
| 21:29.42 | hanasaki | what is the name of the program that makes y9ou enter the root password when you "reboot" from an ssh session? |
| 21:29.55 | peterrooney | before i discovered the game, only for kernel updates |
| 21:30.03 | twobitsprite | hanasaki: are you thinking of sudo? |
| 21:30.40 | hanasaki | twobitsprite: no. that is to exec the rreboot.. this program knows that you are in a remote ssh session and replaces reboot to require the passwrod be confirmed IF you are remote only |
| 21:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, deterministic?! What about quantum effects?! |
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| 21:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably don't get them in a macro Debian.... only in emDebian :-P |
| 21:31.10 | twobitsprite | cuts CutMeOwnThroat's throat for him |
| 21:31.16 | jelly | quantum leaps over CutMeOwnThroat's mind |
| 21:31.21 | simonrvn | hanasaki: molly-guard |
| 21:31.48 | hanasaki | simonrvn: !!! yes thanks! |
| 21:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dareth, shouldn't that be "have some good uptimes since from the woody days"? |
| 21:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, and to answer your question... regularly on each power failure :( |
| 21:32.36 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: suck |
| 21:32.41 | twobitsprite | no UPS? |
| 21:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... didn't think electricity net would suck so much |
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| 21:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or, of course when googleearth or somesuch decides to crash the machine via the nvidia driver |
| 21:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hasn't happened in a while, though... |
| 21:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | knocks on wood |
| 21:33.46 | twobitsprite | heh |
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| 21:34.13 | mjt | !nvidia |
| 21:34.13 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:34.32 | mjt | what's the new nvidia driver under development? |
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| 21:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, what new nvidia driver |
| 21:34.58 | mjt | nv, the one from nvidia.com and the never opensource one? |
| 21:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "s/never/newer/"? |
| 21:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is one? |
| 21:35.23 | mjt | yeah |
| 21:35.24 | kbad | If i have a package, say foo and I install it with aptitude and it brings in bar as a dependency. Is there a command I can run on bar that will tell me that foo brought it in? (like equery d bar in gentoo) |
| 21:35.28 | mjt | how's 'new' in french? |
| 21:35.29 | pingouin | Current beta release: 190.18 |
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| 21:35.53 | pingouin | nouveau=new |
| 21:36.07 | mjt | yeah that one |
| 21:36.13 | mjt | nouveau driver |
| 21:36.22 | pingouin | ah ah |
| 21:36.36 | mjt | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ |
| 21:36.55 | asg | kbad: dpkg -S bar |
| 21:37.00 | PsiKlops | stew: i just tried it out again and it freezes |
| 21:37.07 | asg | kbad: sorry, disregard that |
| 21:37.31 | mjt | asg, kbad it's -s, not -S |
| 21:37.43 | stew | PsiKlops: I'd suspect hardware failure, perhaps try memtest86+ to test the memory |
| 21:37.50 | pingouin | Many Debian distros contain a bug which doesn't permit OpenVPN to push the |
| 21:37.50 | pingouin | nameservers into /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:38.00 | pingouin | someone knows about this bug ?! |
| 21:38.14 | twobitsprite | !tell pingouin -about enter |
| 21:38.20 | asg | mjt: thought he wanted to know what package brought in file bar; misread it |
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| 21:38.51 | kbad | mjt,asg, that's almost what i want, that would show foo's deps. I want to be able to know that foo brought in bar by running something on bar |
| 21:39.25 | mjt | that's grep-dctrl |
| 21:39.27 | pingouin | thank you |
| 21:39.31 | PsiKlops | stew: its all good, i even built a 2.6.30 custom that works halfways, has probs with tty1... got to work that out, think it has somehting to do with serial .... since i also made some adjustments there |
| 21:39.32 | pingouin | very much |
| 21:39.33 | kbad | ahh i think i found it |
| 21:39.36 | pingouin | twobitsprite |
| 21:39.43 | kbad | apt-cache rdepends |
| 21:39.47 | kbad | seems to be what i want |
| 21:39.53 | PsiKlops | stew: that one boots, thats the good part |
| 21:40.00 | twobitsprite | *sigh* |
| 21:40.01 | mjt | kbad: rdepends shows deps in ALL packages |
| 21:40.06 | mjt | not just installed |
| 21:40.19 | PsiKlops | stew: and halts on starting tty |
| 21:40.32 | stew | PsiKlops: halts? |
| 21:40.43 | PsiKlops | stew: well i can still scroll |
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| 21:41.10 | asg | kbad: the apt-rdepends package might help or some aptitude-fu (ask stew about that) |
| 21:41.21 | mjt | PsiKlops: what's the last message exactly? |
| 21:41.28 | mjt | last line that is |
| 21:41.37 | kbad | we'll see if this does the trick |
| 21:41.38 | PsiKlops | stew: in custom or debian kernel? |
| 21:42.29 | action09 | damn sometime i dunno why sound is not working, but it was few minutes ago.. i use vmware server each time :( |
| 21:42.37 | stew | kbad: "aptitude why packagename" |
| 21:42.50 | stew | PsiKlops: i'm not sure I understaood that last question |
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| 21:43.46 | asg | stew: I really need to spend more time understanding aptitude and stop fighting it |
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| 21:44.50 | stew | asg: indeed |
| 21:45.13 | PsiKlops | stew: debian 2.6.8-4-386 kernel : root (hd0,1) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-4-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x10b102] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-4-386 [Linux-initrd @ 0x23ea000, 0x436000 bytes] savedefault thats it. freeze |
| 21:45.14 | kbad | stew thanks |
| 21:45.47 | stew | PsiKlops: i'd still recommend runnin memtest86. those kernels have had years and years of testing, they shouldn't just freeze on good hardware |
| 21:46.00 | PsiKlops | stew: very first line: booting `Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-4-386 |
| 21:46.32 | PsiKlops | stew: then why should my custom boot, and the debian kernel not |
| 21:46.49 | kbad | stew, that's telling me unknown command "why" |
| 21:46.49 | stew | PsiKlops: becuase they use memory differently |
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| 21:47.29 | stew | kbad: oh, you must not be on a current version of debian |
| 21:47.42 | stew | kbad: this wasn't introduced until the current stable version |
| 21:47.43 | kbad | yeah, this is a older etch machine |
| 21:47.46 | kbad | shh |
| 21:47.47 | kbad | ahh |
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| 21:48.07 | stew | aptitude search '~i~Dpackagename' |
| 21:48.08 | kbad | stew anything equal to that in etch? |
| 21:48.11 | kbad | ok |
| 21:48.17 | stew | that's close |
| 21:48.34 | stew | meaning "insatlled and depending on packagename" |
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| 21:48.51 | g00se | Isn't it more like aptitude search '~i A' that's required? |
| 21:49.06 | debianoo | hello, I just installed Debian, but I cannot configure my wireless can anyone help me? |
| 21:49.07 | kbad | stew, you are so insanely awesome |
| 21:49.10 | kbad | stew, thank you |
| 21:50.04 | stew | \*/ |
| 21:50.04 | stew | you're welcome :) |
| 21:50.04 | asg | !stew++ |
| 21:50.04 | debianoo | it is a iwl3945, I already installed the firmware, but says in iwlist scan wlan0 network is down |
| 21:50.04 | debianoo | how do I activate the network= |
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| 21:50.18 | synnaptics | Hey I seem to have killed my external hdd |
| 21:50.33 | synnaptics | fdisk says it doesn't have a valid partition table |
| 21:50.41 | synnaptics | And dmesg says READ CAPACITY(16) failed |
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| 21:50.48 | synnaptics | Any advice? |
| 21:50.58 | mjt | synnaptics: fdisk will treat any error like that |
| 21:51.15 | synnaptics | Hmmm.. should I try to create a new partition table with fdisk? |
| 21:51.19 | mjt | including disconnected disk |
| 21:51.20 | g00se | debianoo: Try sudo ifconfig wlan0 up then use iwconfig |
| 21:51.21 | debianoo | can anyone help????? |
| 21:51.22 | mjt | nope |
| 21:51.28 | mjt | lol |
| 21:51.33 | debianoo | g00se: ok hold on |
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| 21:52.05 | mjt | synnaptics: you can't create partitions on a zero-sized drive |
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| 21:52.36 | mjt | synnaptics: that's what yur kernel thinks of it anyway, after READ CAPACITY faild |
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| 21:53.14 | mjt | synnaptics: and that, in turn, may be just due to it were unplugged right when kernel tried to issue that command.... |
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| 21:53.57 | mjt | synnaptics: just re-plug it and let kernel do the work to redetect it properly |
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| 21:55.45 | sdfh | Hello everyone, if i install xubuntu... It will find all my hardware and drivers in the installation of xubuntu right? The only diffrent between ubuntu and xubuntu is that i can choose wich packages i want to install? |
| 21:56.30 | peterrooney | sdfh: um, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 21:56.43 | sdfh | peterrooney: oops sorry >P |
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| 21:57.14 | debianoo | g00se: ok worked, thanks, i tries iwconfig wlan0 essid and essid same with key |
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| 21:57.34 | debianoo | iwconfig shows like if it is connected, but ping google.com isn't working the browser isn't working either, why'?? |
| 21:57.57 | CRAZyBUg | Hi, I am running 2 vServers with openvz, both are using debian lenny, one is using 32-bit and the other is running as 64-bit system. I am running lighttpd + php5-cgi via fastcgi installed via apt-get. When I take a look at 'top', it shows more than 4x RAM usage at the same lighttpd+php5 config. - How comes that? |
| 21:58.20 | pingouin | debianoo: dhcpclient wlan0 maybe ? |
| 21:58.20 | happy | can someone tell me how to install the dependencies to compile a package? I plan to install a newer version, but I think they are the same dependencies |
| 21:58.22 | peterrooney | debianoo: can you ping the IP addresses? |
| 21:58.29 | g00se | debianoo: Try sudo dhclient wlan0 |
| 21:58.42 | peterrooney | happy: apt-get build-deb <package> |
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| 21:59.03 | happy | peterrooney: thanks :-) |
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| 21:59.18 | peterrooney | happy: sorry, a big typo there: apt-get build-dep |
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| 22:00.22 | debianoooo | g00se: ok i am here! workeeeeeeeeeeeed! |
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| 22:00.56 | debianoooo | Now let's see, how can I know which sources.list should I Have? |
| 22:02.14 | synnaptics | Or maybe gparted |
| 22:02.15 | synnaptics | dmesg also says [182191.614338] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: No additional sense information |
| 22:02.15 | synnaptics | [182191.615572] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : No Sense [current] |
| 22:02.15 | synnaptics | Whot do you think? |
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| 22:02.29 | DTal | Swap? |
| 22:02.36 | DTal | *blink* |
| 22:02.40 | debianoooo | g00se: there :) ? |
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| 22:03.31 | debianoooo | Please any? I have those in my sources.list, but I can't apt-get any software I want, why? http://www.aasdasdasd.pastebin.com/m32eb7d30 |
| 22:03.39 | debianoooo | what else should I add or modify? |
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| 22:04.13 | g00se | debianoo: Is this a new system? |
| 22:04.22 | debianoooo | yeees I just installed it 5 minutes ago :) |
| 22:04.41 | debianoooo | you helped me with my wireless 5m ago, with the dhclient wlan0 :) worked aswesome |
| 22:04.42 | g00se | debianoo: Use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 22:04.59 | debianoooo | why :o |
| 22:05.17 | g00se | debianoo: BUT apt-get aptitude |
| 22:05.24 | jpinx-eeepc | debianoooo: you seem to have only volatile and not lenny |
| 22:05.37 | debianoooo | ok I didn't get it now |
| 22:05.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell debianoooo about why aptitude |
| 22:05.44 | debianoooo | jpinx-eeepc: were there by default |
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| 22:06.38 | g00se | !why aptitude |
| 22:06.39 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 22:07.05 | jpinx-eeepc | debianoooo: add a line for lenny |
| 22:07.17 | debianoooo | what's volatile? |
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| 22:07.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !volatile |
| 22:07.53 | dpkg | hmm... volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://volatile.debian.org/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 22:08.01 | debianoooo | what do you think now? http://www.aasdasdasd.pastebin.com/m7a900144 |
| 22:08.15 | jpinx-eeepc | debianoooo: try it and see |
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| 22:09.42 | debianoooo | seems fine |
| 22:10.00 | jpinx-eeepc | debianoooo: replace all references to "stable" with "lenny" |
| 22:10.17 | jpinx-eeepc | so you don't get caught out in the future |
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| 22:17.41 | debianoo | I am back |
| 22:17.42 | debianoo | thanks guys! |
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| 22:27.29 | macrobat | i installed amsn on lenny and got a message that it was untrusted, what is that about? |
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| 22:31.50 | mjt | why gnome-system-tools (and the like) tells me I'm not allowed to access system configuration ? Which group membership it wants? |
| 22:32.22 | themill | macrobat: at a wild guess, since you've not provided us with any useful info, /msg dpkg new archive key |
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| 22:33.14 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:38.48 | macrobat | themill: i didnt know what info is relevant. the msg i got with "aptitude install amsn" didnt say anything about a key. i dont see anything "untrusted" about it in pdo or bts |
| 22:39.24 | macrobat | i dont have access to that domputer right now. might try later |
| 22:39.26 | themill | macrobat: can you pastebin the command you gave and the entire output, along with the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 22:40.05 | meyou | ugh, i've run into this before and fixed it before, but i forget |
| 22:40.14 | macrobat | thanks anyway, themill |
| 22:40.16 | meyou | i just copied a debian VM over from one PC to another |
| 22:40.26 | meyou | it starts up fine, but it doesn't get network access |
| 22:40.30 | meyou | ifconfig only shows lo |
| 22:40.39 | meyou | etc/networking/interfaces has the config in there right |
| 22:40.43 | meyou | and lspci shows the nic |
| 22:40.53 | meyou | ifup eth1 = lots of doesn't exist stuff |
| 22:40.56 | meyou | same for eth2 and beyond |
| 22:41.02 | meyou | what am i missing here? |
| 22:41.12 | dwatkins | I had that, the udev settings had the wrong mac address, meyou. |
| 22:41.13 | themill | meyou: what does "ifconfig -a" show you? |
| 22:41.26 | meyou | eth1 |
| 22:41.27 | meyou | lo |
| 22:41.29 | meyou | and sit0 |
| 22:41.47 | meyou | aah |
| 22:41.53 | meyou | change eth0 to eth1 in interfaces file |
| 22:41.56 | meyou | then ifup eth1 |
| 22:41.57 | meyou | right? |
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| 22:42.09 | themill | !70 |
| 22:42.09 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 22:42.18 | themill | meyou: ^^ or rename the interface |
| 22:42.21 | meyou | ah |
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| 22:42.34 | meyou | well i did the former and that fixed it up |
| 22:42.40 | meyou | thanks for the info :) |
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| 22:47.18 | translated | http://www.xroxy.com/xorum/about62913.html @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
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| 22:47.54 | adb | !ops adapted spam |
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| 22:47.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: adapted spam |
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| 22:48.55 | kbad | stew, youthere still? |
| 22:49.01 | stew | kbad: yup |
| 22:49.13 | enouf | Tagor: no idea |
| 22:49.23 | kbad | stew, if i'm dist-upgrading is there a way to determine what package is trying to remove another? |
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| 22:49.35 | stew | kbad: you are going to lenny? |
| 22:50.02 | stew | or dist-upgrading from etch->etch? |
| 22:50.06 | kbad | yeah |
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| 22:50.07 | kbad | etch-> etch |
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| 22:50.16 | qvq | http://www.xroxy.com/xorum/about62913.html @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 22:50.17 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 22:50.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell kbad about etch->lenny |
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| 22:50.46 | stew | kbad: hmm, that's harder |
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| 22:51.25 | mentor | Hmm, I'm sure I've seen xroxy.com being spammed before |
| 22:52.12 | enouf | and THIS is WHY i need to remember the syntax of; /msg NickServer identify <passwd> WITHIN 30 FUCKEN SECONDS of joining, which i do ~ once a fucken YEAR ?! |
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| 22:52.24 | themill | independent: do you have a debian user question we can help you with tonight? |
| 22:52.36 | enouf | what a fucken dump |
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| 22:53.06 | enouf | you can't WHITELIST people? |
| 22:53.15 | mentor | enouf: Quiet. |
| 22:53.20 | enouf | are you fucken insane? |
| 22:53.54 | mentor | no |
| 22:54.02 | enouf | mentor: look up the definition of insanity in the fucken Dictionary |
| 22:54.22 | enouf | then ... we'll talk |
| 22:54.25 | themill | enouf: leave it.... it's not helping |
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| 22:55.17 | ldp | I'm having a problem with sshfs. |
| 22:55.25 | ldp | The server I'm trying to mount is running Lenny. |
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| 22:55.43 | ldp | But when I try to mount the home folder on my server from my client: |
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| 22:55.49 | ldp | read: Connection reset by peer |
| 22:56.15 | ldp | I've never needed to do anything on the server-side before, at least with sshfs. |
| 22:56.17 | jpinx-eeepc | ldp: is that the only error you get? |
| 22:56.20 | ldp | Yes. |
| 22:56.23 | ldp | That is the only one. |
| 22:56.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ldp: and sshd is running on the remote? |
| 22:57.15 | ldp | Ah, never mind. |
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| 22:57.17 | ldp | jpinx-eeepc: Yes, it is. |
| 22:57.23 | ldp | And somehow, it worked now. |
| 22:57.28 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
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| 22:58.42 | jamon | how long should i expect resize2fs to take to go from 1tb to 800gb on an ext4 volume? |
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| 22:59.26 | jpinx-eeepc | jamon: depends on a lot of things, but don't wait up ;) |
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| 22:59.43 | ldp | dpkg: java |
| 22:59.43 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:59.58 | jamon | figures, thanks jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:59.58 | ldp | dpkg: install java |
| 22:59.59 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
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| 23:00.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ldp about selftell |
| 23:00.16 | ldp | jpinx-eeepc: I PMd him, but he didn't respond. |
| 23:00.22 | ldp | Which is why I came into the channel. |
| 23:00.38 | mentor | ldp: WFM |
| 23:00.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ldp: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:00.45 | ldp | I did. |
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| 23:00.49 | ldp | It didn't work. |
| 23:00.52 | jpinx-eeepc | odd |
| 23:00.55 | ldp | Indeed. |
| 23:01.00 | ldp | 01:59 <ldp> java |
| 23:01.00 | ldp | 01:59 <ldp> help |
| 23:01.03 | ldp | no response. |
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| 23:01.49 | mentor | ldp: Does it work now you're in channel? |
| 23:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. this spam is a good reason not to have channel logs... channel logs will spread their links |
| 23:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so encourage more spam |
| 23:02.08 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: public ones |
| 23:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course |
| 23:02.47 | mentor | Not entirely convinced of the reasoning there. |
| 23:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was to referring to http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ re topic |
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| 23:03.07 | ldp | mentor: Yeah, it does. |
| 23:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | couldn't it increase their page rank in google? |
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| 23:03.27 | ksnp | does cron have to be restarted if I change cron.d ? |
| 23:03.40 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, but one bad thing doesn't negate the entire idea... |
| 23:03.59 | mentor | ldp: Must no respond unless you're on channel then. Probably people were abusing the bot. |
| 23:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | what IS the entire idea, though... |
| 23:04.06 | ldp | I see. |
| 23:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, shouldn't |
| 23:04.46 | mentor | CutMeOwnThroat: The capture of transient knowledge? |
| 23:04.57 | kc8pxy | what would make a debian lenny system see a ping for it's ip, on the interface it's holding that IP for, and fail to reply? i can see the ping on that interface with tcpdump. i just flushed iptables, regulat, nat and mangle. |
| 23:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're just another type of cron script... and you don't restart cron just because you add an entry |
| 23:05.03 | ldp | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry universe/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 23:05.03 | kc8pxy | regular |
| 23:05.06 | ldp | damn it |
| 23:05.17 | ldp | Where can I find the list of mirrors? |
| 23:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldp, perhaps /msg dpkg mirrors ? |
| 23:05.38 | mjt | what's needed to be done for wifi network to "connect" (it's probably "assotiate")? iwconfig essid $foo etc, it shows networks, but ifconfig still says "NO-CARRIER" |
| 23:05.43 | ldp | hits himself |
| 23:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 23:05.53 | mentor | mjt: That caries. |
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| 23:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/c/v/ |
| 23:06.14 | kc8pxy | mjt: open or encrypted? |
| 23:06.17 | mjt | iwcd-client does something so it actually "connect" |
| 23:06.18 | mentor | mjt: Does iwlist scan show the network? Is it an encrypted net.? |
| 23:06.19 | mjt | open so far |
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| 23:06.37 | mjt | it's an open wifi router on the same table, just for testing |
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| 23:06.59 | kc8pxy | mjt: wifi card? |
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| 23:07.06 | pallu | hello all of you |
| 23:07.06 | mjt | ath5k |
| 23:07.17 | kc8pxy | mjt: firmware? |
| 23:07.25 | mjt | i'm typing over wireless connection right now |
| 23:07.28 | mjt | lemme look |
| 23:07.46 | ksnp | CutMe : i keep getting the error saying - bad command; but when i run manually the same script it works fine |
| 23:07.49 | pallu | i have compiz-fusion installed and stufff and it stoped working has that happend to any one before? |
| 23:08.27 | mjt | kc8pxy: ath5k phy0: Atheros AR2413 chip found (MAC: 0x78, PHY: 0x45) -- but how to get the fw version? |
| 23:09.30 | ksnp | Cutme : can please see http://pastebin.com/m7a3f8720 and tell me why i might get this error ? |
| 23:09.37 | ksnp | with the cron ? |
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| 23:09.45 | adb | dpkg: tell mjt -about ath5k |
| 23:09.49 | mjt | iwcd "connects" it just fine. I wonder how it's done without iwcd, using either iw or wireless-tools |
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| 23:10.42 | adb | wicd* |
| 23:11.11 | adama_ | I need to accept incoming mail for a single domain on port 25 and forward it all to submission (port 587 with smtp Auth) on another host. What would be the simplest way to do this? |
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| 23:11.22 | ksnp | adb, can tell me why i get cron error saying bad command; wihle reading the /etc/cron.d/file ? |
| 23:11.33 | ksnp | i have al lthe files in at http://pastebin.com/m7a3f8720 |
| 23:11.38 | ksnp | simple liners |
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| 23:11.49 | ldp | Okay, now, java isn't in main, where is it? |
| 23:11.49 | mjt | aha. wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse is the doc I needed :) |
| 23:11.50 | ksnp | and the called script runs if i run manually, |
| 23:12.39 | kbad | stew, figured out the problem - apt-get takes essential a bit too seriously :P |
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| 23:12.51 | kc8pxy | mjt: do you have the atheros-firmware package installed? |
| 23:12.53 | themill | ksnp: you've not specified the user for the cron.d file |
| 23:13.02 | kbad | stew, thanks for you help |
| 23:13.03 | kc8pxy | mjt: it;'s somehting like that, i think |
| 23:13.07 | mjt | kc8pxy: no, why? |
| 23:13.29 | mjt | kc8pxy: it works with wicd, so i guess i don't need any more firmware |
| 23:13.34 | kc8pxy | ok |
| 23:13.47 | mentor | You don't need firmware with ath5k series cards |
| 23:13.51 | stew | kbad: hmm. I'd recommend taking the essential bit seriously |
| 23:13.59 | kc8pxy | mjt: why are you connecting manually? |
| 23:14.04 | mjt | basically i were asking about general usage, which seems like either network-manager, or wicd, or wpa_supplicant in network/interfaces |
| 23:14.07 | ksnp | themill : how do i specify the user, i thought as long as its executable by all its fine ? |
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| 23:14.36 | themill | ksnp: when you put a file in /etc/cron.d/ you need to tell cron what user to run the command as. The format is slightly different to crontab |
| 23:14.52 | ksnp | ok |
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| 23:15.59 | kc8pxy | what would make a debian lenny system see a ping for it's ip, on the interface it's holding that IP for, and fail to reply? i can see the ping on that interface with tcpdump. i just flushed iptables, regulat, nat and mangle. |
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| 23:16.21 | themill | ksnp: see the examples in man 5 crontab where the user "root" is specified. (or look in /etc/crontab) |
| 23:16.22 | mentor | kc8pxy: ping replies disabled? |
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| 23:16.38 | kc8pxy | mentor: how would i change that? |
| 23:16.42 | PsiKlops | stew: there is a bug in the 2.6.8 kernel, i just tested 2.6.26-2-486 kernel and it boots, lacks to boot fully due to me not having been able to build a proper initrd.img ( no tools ) yet |
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| 23:16.53 | mentor | kc8pxy: /etc/sysctl.conf or similar |
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| 23:17.11 | stew | PsiKlops: how do you know that the bug is in the kernel and not your hardware? |
| 23:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, because /root/SYSADMIN/scripts/redo_dhcp_if_disc2output/root/SYSADMIN/scripts/redo_dhcp_if_disc2output is not executable |
| 23:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 23:18.08 | PsiKlops | stew: i did the memtest, and havent had problems yet booting 2.4.x kernels(Debian) and can also boot 2.6.30 Custom kernel |
| 23:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ksnp, when you look at a couple of other scripts there... llike 57 0 * * 0 root [ -x /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ] && [ $(date +\%d) -le 7 ] && /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --quiet |
| 23:18.23 | PsiKlops | now i can boot the debian 2.6.24-2-486 kernel |
| 23:18.31 | PsiKlops | but not the 2.6.8 |
| 23:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like you specify the user in position 6? |
| 23:18.36 | PsiKlops | stew: ^ |
| 23:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 23:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you guys already got there :) |
| 23:19.22 | mrtn1231 | is it fine to have an PIII, 64MB RAM, 40GB HDD without X as a router/firewall/DHCP/DNS/VPN machine for a company of 20 users? |
| 23:19.44 | adb | 64MB RAM |
| 23:19.46 | adb | ? |
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| 23:20.09 | adb | put in at least 512 MB |
| 23:20.21 | jpinx-eeepc | mrtn1231: I believe stew runs old hardware as a router |
| 23:21.29 | mrtn1231 | jpinx-eeepc: ok :) My main worry is the memory- is 64MB really enough for this? |
| 23:22.05 | mrtn1231 | on the other hand, it's just base installation + DHCP, DNS, VPN and router functions |
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| 23:22.38 | petemc | mrtn1231: i use a p3 500mhz with 128meg ram for a machine doing mail and web for a dozen or so domains, works fine |
| 23:22.52 | mjt | 64 is a bit too low. 128 will be ok |
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| 23:23.41 | mjt | for router with NAT and several torrent clients behind, it needs more memory for connection tracking state :) |
| 23:24.02 | jpinx-eeepc | mrtn1231: 09:47 < stew> PsiKlops: I'm running etch on a 60 mhz pentium | 09:48 < stew> jpinx-eeepc: 48mb |
| 23:24.03 | Traveler8 | hello |
| 23:24.10 | kc8pxy | mentor: how do i reparse /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 23:24.23 | mjt | kc8pxy: sysctl -p |
| 23:24.29 | jpinx-eeepc | mrtn1231: but I don't know how many users are on it |
| 23:24.36 | mentor | kc8pxy: procps init.d I think |
| 23:24.41 | petemc | i get neighbour table overflow on a beefy enough box when too man people are torrentin g through it |
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| 23:25.20 | mrtn1231 | mjt: I agree, however, it's some odd IBM motherboard, which seems to support only some special type of memory. I know there were issues with DIMM modules which had SDRAM chips on both sides... |
| 23:25.24 | Traveler8 | I have a problem |
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| 23:25.39 | Traveler8 | I have a XFS partition, which I can see the data through grub |
| 23:25.43 | mjt | mrtn1231: well, try it and see. Basically it should work. |
| 23:25.45 | mentor | I have to turn the conntrack established timeouts down for torrents too |
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| 23:25.56 | Traveler8 | but disk haves an error and I cannot mount it, nor do an Xfs_repair |
| 23:26.01 | Traveler8 | any ideas? thanks :) |
| 23:26.27 | mjt | mrtn1231: that table usually does not fill up UNLESS you've really many workstations on the same ethernet segment. |
| 23:26.30 | mjt | er |
| 23:26.38 | mjt | mentor: that table usually does not fill up UNLESS you've really many workstations on the same ethernet segment. |
| 23:26.50 | amee2k | hm... does qdb.us still send rejected/accepted emails? |
| 23:27.10 | amee2k | i'm sure some of my recent quotes already got processed, but i didn't receive any recently |
| 23:27.14 | mentor | mjt: 2? |
| 23:27.58 | mjt | mentor: many cisco routers will respond to arp requests for any address, so you can configure your workstations with 0.0.0.0 netmask (ie, all the internet is on this ethernet segment) - that's a good way to fill up arp table any machine... |
| 23:28.05 | mjt | (proxy arp it is) |
| 23:28.30 | M06w | I'm getting this out of apache for pages with php, any ideas? |
| 23:28.41 | M06w | Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0 |
| 23:28.41 | M06w | Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/var/www/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0 |
| 23:28.45 | mentor | mjt: That's sounds slightly mis-featured |
| 23:28.52 | mrtn1231 | mjt: ok :) However, what is the minimum supported amount of memory for Lenny or Squeeze installation? 32MB? |
| 23:29.02 | mjt | mrtn1231: no idea |
| 23:29.05 | mentor | M06w: Check permissions |
| 23:29.26 | _abc_ | lenny will go in 128MB with text only and X11 just the server |
| 23:29.28 | mentor | mrtn1231: There is none. I believe there is only a minimum for the installer |
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| 23:29.53 | _abc_ | but i heard it works with 64MB |
| 23:29.56 | M06w | mentor, as far as I can tell the permissions are wide open |
| 23:30.10 | mentor | M06w: How far can you tell? |
| 23:30.11 | mjt | mentor: it's not that bad if you think of simplifying config of everything. But it's not the point -- the point is that you only need as many entries in that table as you've local network devices around. |
| 23:30.15 | _abc_ | mentor: and i know that there is an installer that can use an installed swap partition |
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| 23:31.01 | mentor | _abc_: We should probably apply the condition that the installation finishes this year. |
| 23:31.24 | M06w | rightclick>properties says folder create and delete; I try to make file read/write but it wont stick |
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| 23:32.09 | kc8pxy | mentor: these are pings from the vpn, on a different subnet. pings from the lan work fine. |
| 23:32.39 | mentor | kc8pxy: CAn it route to the VPN? |
| 23:33.02 | mentor | me wanders off |
| 23:33.12 | _abc_ | mentor: i installed slackware+x11 on a i386SX/40MHz with 8MB ram and all transferred via serial line. transfer @115kBauds=one night, install=~4 hours, time from boot to X11 prompt in rxvt ~5 minutes. it was an ancient laptop, no other way to do it |
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| 23:33.32 | kc8pxy | mentor: nothing in the routing table for that subnet |
| 23:33.42 | mjt | kc8pxy: check the interface where your default route goes, with tcpdump -- i bet the replies goes that way... |
| 23:33.56 | mentor | _abc_: I had similar as a slimline desltop that I used as a DU server for a while |
| 23:34.05 | mjt | kc8pxy: or rp_filter cuts requests |
| 23:34.14 | kc8pxy | mjt: I'm using tcpdump.. the requests come in, the host does not reply. |
| 23:34.31 | mjt | kc8pxy: again: check the default route interface |
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| 23:34.40 | mjt | run tcpdump there |
| 23:35.35 | mjt | proto ICMP is a good filter for this case |
| 23:35.53 | kc8pxy | mjt: i did. that's wehre pings come in from.., and shoudl go out of.. they come in, host fails to reply.. |
| 23:36.06 | mjt | ghrm |
| 23:36.10 | mentor | No, there is good reason why they might not go out if they come in |
| 23:36.14 | mjt | but you said it's vpn interface |
| 23:36.14 | mentor | PLease listen |
| 23:36.22 | DeSian | can man use "aptitude safe-upgrade" in testing? or is not recommended? |
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| 23:36.50 | abrotman | DeSian: sure .. but you probably want to do a full-upgrade once in a while |
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| 23:37.25 | DeSian | no to normal update my apps in testing |
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| 23:37.38 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:37.44 | mentor | DeSian: Do you understand what safe-upgrade does? |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | DeSian: if you do a 'safe-upgrade' .. packages will get held back |
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| 23:38.33 | DeSian | ok and what is recommended to update my apps? |
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| 23:39.19 | mentor | DeSian: either, depending on what you want to happen. |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | didn't we just cover this? |
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| 23:40.56 | DeSian | mentor, i have testing and will time for time upgrade the apps if new version from installed apps is out |
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| 23:41.39 | bpun | DeSian, if you're using the testing branch, can you be kind to use reportbug? that would really help the rest of the community |
| 23:42.17 | enouf | bpun: community sucks ass |
| 23:42.30 | themill | DeSian: testing changes on a daily basis. You will need to run "aptitude safe-upgrade" and sometimes "aptitude full-upgrade". *You* need to decide when to do which and when to allow upgrades to occur. /msg dpkg apt-listbugs ; /msg dpkg apt-listchanges ; /msg dpkg moving target |
| 23:42.30 | bpun | enouf, hahaha |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | enouf: be nice |
| 23:42.32 | enouf | it's all a lie |
| 23:42.43 | abrotman | if you don't like it .. don't participate .. /part |
| 23:42.52 | bpun | always uses reportbug!! |
| 23:43.12 | PsiKlops | stew: i'll be back tommorrow, i can give you a hwinfo, lspnp and so on paste then. I do believe this is a bug, since the 2.6.26-2-486 will boot ( lacks to boot fully due to not being able to create a initrd.img ) and the 2.6.8-4-386 will not. |
| 23:43.48 | bpun | PsiKlops, you'll be back tomorrow? i swear it almost sounds like one talks to toilet paper! |
| 23:43.48 | enouf | bpun: if you do something 'unorthodox' , the "community" will smack you down like a WWF champion |
| 23:43.54 | DeSian | ok thnx abrotman themill ...etc |
| 23:44.13 | PsiKlops | bpun: whos that? |
| 23:44.26 | bpun | PsiKlops, ok.. just seeing if you're not bot.. phewph.. |
| 23:44.27 | themill | points enouf towards an offtopic channel |
| 23:44.40 | PsiKlops | lol |
| 23:44.41 | enouf | bpun: ofcourse, your unorthodoxy has (the goal of) best intentions |
| 23:44.45 | abrotman | enouf: really ..if you don't like it .. leave .. the bot wil cry |
| 23:44.46 | Desiac | i need a simple mta to use for a cpl days, decided to go with exim4. ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. setup the server using a smarthost for delivery and recived by smtp or fetchmail. the smtp daemon isn't starting or throwing up any errors when i restart exim4. i've googled it and using the config i've used should use the exim smtp server but its just not starting. anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:45.04 | enouf | abrotman: stop talking to me, otherwise you go into the bozo box |
| 23:45.26 | bpun | enouf, there's a penalty box in the room now? |
| 23:45.32 | abrotman | enouf: at this point you're trolling .. stop it |
| 23:45.37 | bpun | wonders who else is in the bozo box.. |
| 23:45.44 | enouf | ok -- /ignore abrotman |
| 23:46.03 | abrotman | goes to cry |
| 23:46.06 | bpun | enouf, i noticed abrotman talks too much sometimes.. :) |
| 23:46.10 | PsiKlops | bpun: my real name is kowalski leon ;) |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | bpun: you'll do better to ignore enouf |
| 23:46.57 | enouf | now bpun -- do you have a debian issue? if you care about what i'm talking about otherwise, i'll be happy to talk in PM with you |
| 23:46.58 | bpun | PsiKlops, my name is Jean Chretien.. |
| 23:47.21 | bpun | enouf, PM me? |
| 23:47.33 | bpun | enouf, lol.. since when do you think I ever pm? hahahaha |
| 23:47.33 | abrotman | bpun: he wants to whine more .. he thinks you care about what he has to say |
| 23:47.39 | enouf | bpun: if you want, sure |
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| 23:47.51 | bpun | I think you two should help out whoever needs real help here! |
| 23:48.02 | bpun | but I do know abrotman is very wordy!! |
| 23:48.02 | petemc | Desiac: does /usr/sbin/exim4 -d -bd show the daemon starting? |
| 23:48.04 | bpun | lol |
| 23:48.10 | enouf | bpun: oh ok -- into the bozo box you go -- have fun with all the other clowns ;-) |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | bpun: see .. you don't agree with him .. so now he tosses you aside .. |
| 23:48.33 | bpun | calls tux to spank both abortman and enouf |
| 23:48.43 | themill | enouf, bpun: more signal, less noise please. For all our sakes. |
| 23:48.44 | bpun | I just came back in from a little vacation |
| 23:48.55 | enouf | themill: both are on /ig |
| 23:48.55 | bpun | wonders where abrotman and enouf started throwing fish at each other |
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| 23:49.41 | enouf | themill: please .. don't concern yourself with my business |
| 23:49.47 | bpun | sinks into mysterious antartic hibernation |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | enouf: it's the business of the channel, knock it off |
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| 23:52.51 | Desiac | petemc: reboot seems to have fixed it. wasn't starting before reboot. rebooted got new dhcp lease didn't update the cfg, just uodated it with new listening addy and started like a charm. weird. thnx for the help the cmd u posted certainly helped :) thnx much appreciated |
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| 23:53.53 | enouf | Desiac: yes the whole "only reboot when installing new kernel myth" has been dead ever since DEs, HAL, UDEV and DBUSE |
| 23:54.39 | enouf | if linuxants cannot admit that, then i have a river in africa to sell them |
| 23:54.46 | Circuitsoft | Hello - /msg dpkg <query> Isn't working right now. Is it just me? |
| 23:54.58 | petemc | works for me |
| 23:55.03 | abrotman | Circuitsoft: works fine |
| 23:55.09 | Circuitsoft | Hmm. |
| 23:55.10 | petemc | is he only speaking to identified people? |
| 23:55.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Circuitsoft: someone else was complaining about that ten minutes ago |
| 23:55.15 | abrotman | shouldn't be .. |
| 23:55.40 | Circuitsoft | Does it matter that I'm using webchat.freenode.net? |
| 23:56.22 | Circuitsoft | Still not working for me. So, I'll apologize ahead of time for spamming the channel. |
| 23:56.26 | Circuitsoft | !tell me about desktop groups |
| 23:56.34 | jpinx-eeepc | mentor: did something with dpkg last time I think |
| 23:56.36 | abrotman | !tell Circuitsoft about desktop grounds |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | !tell Circuitsoft about desktop groups |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | i won't even ask how that happened |
| 23:57.04 | kc8pxy | mentor: any ideas? |
| 23:57.12 | Circuitsoft | Well, I still am not seeing any response from your query for my sake. |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | Circuitsoft: /join #debian-bots .. try there |
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| 23:58.50 | enouf | no |
| 23:59.02 | enouf | no ideas for the drivel you present |