| 00:00.45 | themill | enouf: I still only ever have to reboot any of my boxes on kernel upgrades. Must be that pebkac thing again. Either that or you're really really unlucky. |
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| 00:02.11 | kc8pxy | any ideas, guys? |
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| 00:11.03 | kingsley | kc8pxy: Perhaps you should search google's indices for suggestions, check /var/log/messages or dmesg, or whether xinetd is dropping ping requests. |
| 00:11.08 | kingsley | needs to go. |
| 00:12.56 | Akufen | anyone ever turned off sftp? I'm not able to... |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | with the sshd_config ? |
| 00:13.27 | Akufen | yes |
| 00:13.53 | abrotman | did you restart the sshd after changing the conf file ? |
| 00:13.57 | Akufen | yup |
| 00:14.07 | paissad-hp | pastebinit is hot :-) |
| 00:14.48 | paissad-hp | god bless debian and its developpers and all user :-P |
| 00:15.05 | adb | amen |
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| 00:16.51 | abrotman | Akufen: which option did you change ? |
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| 00:17.05 | Akufen | #Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
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| 00:17.25 | enouf | themill: you're dreaming as usual |
| 00:18.08 | Akufen | abrotman: this is the right sshd? "Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd." |
| 00:18.21 | abrotman | yep .. but it won't kill active connections |
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| 00:18.45 | enouf | themill: most ppl seeking help are concerned with DE ways and have no understanding of a shell |
| 00:19.52 | Akufen | I'm gonna stop vsftpd for a sec and see if that changes anything |
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| 00:20.17 | abrotman | vsftpd would be ftps .. not sftp |
| 00:20.31 | Akufen | I know, that's the reason I'm trying to disable sftp |
| 00:20.36 | enouf | themill: yes PEBKAC is a serious issue, but not nearly as subtle, nor as ingrained as "homogenization" issues |
| 00:20.38 | Akufen | but I don't know what else to try |
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| 00:23.29 | Akufen | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1727510085 |
| 00:23.59 | aboyz | can someon tell me what is a Mitigators? |
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| 00:25.06 | Akufen | http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&q=define:mitigating&btnG=Zoeken&meta= |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | Akufen: does the ssh log have anything useful ? or the system logs ? |
| 00:25.45 | xybre | Is there a sane way to roll back and "aptitude upgrade" if it breaks functionality (on a production server)? |
| 00:26.07 | aboyz | to lessen |
| 00:26.32 | Akufen | abrotman: ah, good thing you mention: debian sshd[19954]: subsystem request for sftp failed, subsystem not found |
| 00:27.04 | mentor | xybre: For future reference, I think that the idea is to upgrade one service at a time if at all possible |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:27.27 | xybre | I haven't done it yet haha |
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| 00:28.08 | Akufen | now I just have to figure out why it still works.. that's even worse :) |
| 00:28.26 | xybre | I'm not going to risk breaking a bunch of stuff. I'd like to update the server if possible, it looks quite out of date so I'm concerned about security issues etc. |
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| 00:29.45 | mentor | xybre: I don't believe there is an single click way to revert to an earlier package version. However, it is possible to give apt multiple sources and pin different versions. You will then be able to select versions at your discretion |
| 00:29.57 | mentor | xybre: What services are running (and are they documented)? |
| 00:29.57 | pl4yer0ne | wtf... if I have pulseaudio output enabled in audacious when I skip tracks the volume goes down. |
| 00:30.09 | mentor | weird |
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| 00:30.41 | mentor | pl4yer0ne: Might be something to do with Pulseaudio volume capping(?) |
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| 00:30.56 | mentor | i.e., it chooses the loudest of application and system streams or something stupid. |
| 00:31.03 | pl4yer0ne | its wierd yeah |
| 00:31.12 | Akufen | abrotman: found it https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1258 |
| 00:31.44 | xybre | mentor: There's no documentation or anything. I inherited it from two previous developers, one of which was a "student". |
| 00:31.55 | mentor | fun. |
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| 00:45.27 | Myth` | General question : Is anyone aware of an application that can record system temps to a log file every xx seconds - It was in the high 90's here today and when I came home my debian box was off. |
| 00:46.16 | fas3r | is it possible to log what website a user (his ip adress) visit ? |
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| 00:46.35 | Myth` | I checked grep -i 'shutdown' /var/log/messages* and it didn't say anything about a shutdown today. |
| 00:46.41 | Myth` | Thinking it's hardware. |
| 00:47.06 | stew | Myth`: something like "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature >> /var/log/somelogfile"? |
| 00:47.09 | stew | Myth`: run it from cron? |
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| 00:49.29 | Myth` | stew: Thanks so much, I'll give it a whirl. |
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| 00:50.08 | stew | Myth`: i'm not sure that is the right file for you, but look around in /proc/acpi |
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| 00:51.08 | Myth` | stew: /thermal_zone is empty :X |
| 00:51.29 | kc8pxy | this makes no sense, as i understand it.. xinetd is not running, i see nothing in dmesg, but tcdump still shows ping request comming in, and no reply being sent |
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| 00:54.20 | Ezep | Use this -> / |
| 00:54.21 | Ezep | Oh |
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| 00:55.20 | rpgdude | i built a new package and installed it using dpkg, however aptitude marks the package for auto removal |
| 00:55.23 | rpgdude | any ideas? |
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| 00:55.55 | abrotman | rpgdude: unmarkauto |
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| 00:57.18 | rpgdude | what do you mean by unmarkauto? |
| 00:57.47 | Ezep | Or hold it |
| 00:57.59 | rpgdude | do i put it in my control file? |
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| 00:58.53 | rpgdude | this is my first package |
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| 01:00.05 | abrotman | man aptitude |
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| 01:01.11 | runa_ | hi i have a problem with conky: after several hours that of usage, it fills 40% of my ram. here is my conkyrc http://pastebin.com/d7abe39dd |
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| 01:04.03 | runa_ | its a big problem fo me for me because i have an old laptop |
| 01:04.16 | p3rror | hi there |
| 01:04.20 | p3rror | i need some help |
| 01:04.47 | p3rror | my partitions are not detected |
| 01:04.52 | p3rror | in dmesg |
| 01:05.00 | p3rror | i see that there are a hdd sda |
| 01:05.07 | rpgdude | abrotman: shouldn't dpkg -i mark the package as manually installed though? |
| 01:05.10 | p3rror | and there are not sda1 ... |
| 01:05.10 | bpun | p3rror, p3rror p3rror p3rror << can't parse |
| 01:05.22 | p3rror | bpun, sorry |
| 01:05.49 | bpun | p3rror, is this a pentium 3? |
| 01:06.04 | stew | p3rror: what happens if you run "fdisk -l /dev/sda"? |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | rpgdude: just try it .. see what happens |
| 01:06.41 | p3rror | dev/sda: 2399.8 Go, 2399865405440 octets |
| 01:06.54 | p3rror | and nothing else |
| 01:07.01 | stew | p3rror: can you show us the output of "fdisk -l" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 01:07.13 | bpun | p3rror, did you custom compile your kernel? |
| 01:07.29 | p3rror | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 291767 cylinders |
| 01:07.29 | p3rror | Unités = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets |
| 01:07.29 | p3rror | Périphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système |
| 01:07.44 | p3rror | ooops |
| 01:08.03 | bpun | p3rror, caught with your french pants down! |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | p3rror: please use paste.debian.net |
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| 01:08.57 | abrotman | Akufen: that's a really old bug |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | Akufen: says it was resolved in 2008 |
| 01:09.32 | rpgdude | abrotman: the problem went away after running apt-get clean; apt-get autoclean; apt-get autoremove |
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| 01:09.36 | abrotman | Akufen: oh .. they say it's not really a bug |
| 01:09.36 | vn | hi, what can I do with that error that I get when mounting a network drive? mount error 127 = Key has expired |
| 01:09.47 | p3rror | http://paste.debian.net/42916/ |
| 01:10.16 | p3rror | abrotman, sda is a msa storage |
| 01:10.27 | abrotman | mass? |
| 01:10.54 | stew | abrotman: are you calling me fat? |
| 01:11.01 | p3rror | yes a MSA SAN Storage Arrays |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | go bike! |
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| 01:12.01 | bpun | stew, he calling you all sorts of sda's today!... |
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| 01:12.12 | aiuw | Hello, I have a hard drive that is hda, and I added a slave HD, and it's already formatted, etc, but I can't seem to mount it or anything... any advice? |
| 01:12.41 | stew | p3rror: can you show the output of "fdisk -l" ? |
| 01:12.43 | bpun | aiuw, did you plug it into da computa? |
| 01:13.38 | aiuw | Correctly :) , into the additional HD slot, whatever the proper technically terminology is |
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| 01:13.48 | aiuw | stew, were you referring to me? |
| 01:13.52 | bpun | aiuw, does it show up on the boot screen or bios? |
| 01:14.10 | stew | aiuw: no, but it seems to work for you too :) |
| 01:14.14 | p3rror | stew, ok |
| 01:14.30 | bpun | p/rror confuses people with a butt in his name |
| 01:15.13 | p3rror | http://paste.debian.net/42917/ |
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| 01:16.28 | stew | p3rror: ok, so that shows a /dev/cciss/c0d0 which is an array on a compaq raid controller, and a /dev/sda which is seeming to be a large unpartitioned storage unit |
| 01:16.31 | saebekassebil | Hi! How do I upgrade my xfce4 version to 4.6 |
| 01:16.32 | bpun | aiuw, you did not tell us if you formatted this hd on this system |
| 01:16.39 | stew | p3rror: is it possible you are confusing the two? |
| 01:16.48 | stew | p3rror: the compaq raid array seems to have 2 partitions |
| 01:16.49 | saebekassebil | Something with backports, but how |
| 01:17.16 | stew | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 01:17.16 | judd | stew: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1 sid: 4.6.1.1 squeeze: 4.6.1.1 |
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| 01:17.32 | stew | saebekassebil: what version of debian are you running? 5.0 aka stable aka lenny? |
| 01:17.45 | saebekassebil | stew: running stable |
| 01:17.48 | saebekassebil | lenny |
| 01:17.52 | p3rror | stew, the compaq raid has two disk |
| 01:17.57 | stew | saebekassebil: yeah, then see the instru ctions page on backports.org |
| 01:18.07 | aiuw | bpun, I did, and I'm checking to make sure it was in the bios |
| 01:18.11 | stew | p3rror: but you are hoping to mount the other large storage unit? |
| 01:18.24 | p3rror | sda is a partitionned disk and it has 3 partitions |
| 01:18.35 | saebekassebil | stew: But I have! but aptitude upgrade still finds no better version |
| 01:18.38 | p3rror | after a power crash |
| 01:18.38 | Phil4 | anyone know anything of a new bind vuln? |
| 01:18.38 | stew | p3rror: what does "file -s /dev/sda" return? |
| 01:18.39 | bpun | p3rror, am i reading this correctly? you have a petabyte drive system in an old machine? |
| 01:18.55 | p3rror | i can not mount my partitions |
| 01:19.00 | stew | saebekassebil: did you follow the instructions on backports.org's instructions page? |
| 01:19.13 | saebekassebil | stew> yea |
| 01:19.20 | p3rror | /dev/sda: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48 |
| 01:19.24 | stew | saebekassebil: so you edited /etc/apt/preferences I assume? |
| 01:19.25 | bpun | aiuw, you did what? you formatted it outside this system? |
| 01:19.43 | saebekassebil | stew: saw nothing about that no... |
| 01:19.47 | saebekassebil | Ill just check again |
| 01:19.51 | stew | saebekassebil: re-read the instructions page |
| 01:20.32 | stew | saebekassebil: note that i'd not recommend editing /etc/apt/preferences, it was just the only way you should be expecting aptitude uupgrade to be doing anything, i'd recommend using the -t lenny-backports switch instead |
| 01:20.33 | bpun | p3rror, try disconnecting the login ribbon and the power cable to the drive, then reconnect them.. try it twice if need be.. maybe that would fix it.. |
| 01:20.42 | aiuw | bpun, no, I formatted it with Debian 5.0, actually with the same everything |
| 01:20.51 | saebekassebil | ah! |
| 01:20.53 | stew | bpun: but he's not having trouble communicsating with the drive |
| 01:20.55 | saebekassebil | Yea! Ill try that |
| 01:21.03 | saebekassebil | So that would be: |
| 01:21.03 | bpun | stew, i've seen strange shit ;-) |
| 01:21.06 | aiuw | The only thing I did, was move this to the second HD slot and added a new HD1 |
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| 01:21.15 | stew | p3rror: well, linux doesn't seem to think it is partitioned. how did you partition it? |
| 01:21.18 | bpun | especially with power outages... |
| 01:21.33 | saebekassebil | aptitude -t lenny-backports upgrade xfce4 |
| 01:21.37 | saebekassebil | _ |
| 01:21.42 | p3rror | stew, with gparted |
| 01:22.14 | stew | saebekassebil: upgrade doesn't take arguments like a package name, and you don't want to be using upgrade here unless you are going to edit preferences, which again, I do not recommend |
| 01:22.18 | ehird | I'm trying to boot the lenny tiny-cd install on an Old World PPC PowerMac (upgraded to a G3) using BootX. It immediately gets to here: http://imgur.com/YEvwo.jpg (sorry, can't screenshot from the bootup processâ¦) and hangs. Same if I remove the root and init arguments (init is set to /initrd). What's up? Anythinig I can do? |
| 01:22.40 | bpun | p3rror, then try the gparted |
| 01:22.41 | saebekassebil | stew> So what do i do then_ The word upgrade just makes sense... |
| 01:23.10 | pl4yer0ne | well Im stumped. cant see any reason at all for this pulseaudio audacious plugin to be doing this volume down on track chnage thing. |
| 01:23.11 | saebekassebil | And i got to fix that keymap too... |
| 01:23.12 | stew | re-checks the instructions page himself. i thought this was pretty clear |
| 01:23.31 | stew | saebekassebil: re-read the instructions page at backports.org |
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| 01:23.46 | bpun | aiuw, what command did u issue? and what does fdisk -l show? |
| 01:23.48 | stew | "All backports are deactivated by default. If you want to install something from backports run:..." |
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| 01:24.11 | saebekassebil | stew> did but i DONT want to install.. I want to upgrade |
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| 01:24.50 | stew | saebekassebil: you want to install a newer version |
| 01:24.59 | saebekassebil | yes |
| 01:25.03 | adb | ehird: try ramdisk_size=16384 |
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| 01:25.21 | ehird | adb: Okay, but the ramdisk is more like 5MB. |
| 01:25.25 | saebekassebil | But now, when Im trying to install it says something like keep theese versions 4.4 |
| 01:25.30 | saebekassebil | and i want 4.6 |
| 01:25.48 | adb | ehird: try and see |
| 01:25.56 | ehird | adb: yeah, I am |
| 01:25.59 | stew | saebekassebil: you want to install the backports versoin of xfce4 |
| 01:25.59 | p3rror | stew, gparted did not identify any partitions |
| 01:26.10 | saebekassebil | stew> Thats correct |
| 01:26.19 | ehird | adb: zip; nada; exactly the same |
| 01:26.35 | p3rror | and i dont want to loose the data present in the hdd |
| 01:26.53 | bpun | p3rror, did u do the power cable trick? |
| 01:27.03 | stew | saebekassebil: so follow the instructions that say ". If you want to install something from backports run:"... |
| 01:27.16 | p3rror | bpun, no i'm not in the data center |
| 01:27.18 | saebekassebil | stew> I HAVE! |
| 01:27.22 | bpun | p3rror, yikes |
| 01:27.26 | p3rror | i've just a shell |
| 01:27.27 | bpun | p3rror, data center you say? |
| 01:27.28 | saebekassebil | stew> My query looks like this: |
| 01:27.40 | bpun | p3rror, hahahha.. that is a 2. something terabyte drive.. |
| 01:27.49 | saebekassebil | aptitude -t lenny-backports install xfce4 |
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| 01:28.18 | bpun | p3rror, what kind of negligence do you have on power back up units? |
| 01:28.26 | bpun | p3rror, what a fault data center! |
| 01:28.50 | p3rror | really i dont now i'm in holidays and i was not present when they did there jobs |
| 01:29.10 | p3rror | and that is the first time that a see this kind of error |
| 01:29.13 | p3rror | :( |
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| 01:29.53 | ehird | adb: ah, it came out as |
| 01:29.56 | stew | saebekassebil: i'd expect that to do what you want |
| 01:29.59 | ehird | ramdisk_size=8192 ramdisk_size=16384 |
| 01:30.03 | ehird | will that Not Work? |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | ehird: there is a #debianppc on oftc also |
| 01:30.34 | ehird | abrotman: thanks, I'll ask there too |
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| 01:31.03 | oh_noes | how do I export a mdadm array? For some reason mdadm decided to make 3 of my 4 disks in a RAID10 appear as "faulty spare " |
| 01:31.14 | oh_noes | so I want to export and --assemable -f the 4 disks |
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| 01:31.37 | konr | Guys, I've got a messy 3g connection, so I had tried to use a netinstall disk, chrooting to my gentoo partition and running wvdial, but it seems that the usbserial module didn't load up correctly. Can I install debian directly from gentoo? |
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| 01:33.07 | abrotman | konr: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 01:35.03 | aiuw | bpun, no, apparently it doesnt see the second HD |
| 01:35.15 | oh_noes | how do I export a mdadm array? For some reason mdadm decided to make 3 of my 4 disks in a RAID10 appear as "faulty spare " |
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| 01:37.28 | bpun | aiuw, you really aren't clear.. did you format this HD under debian on THIS system previously? |
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| 01:37.33 | |Jason8| | I'm trying to install VMWare Tools into a Debian virtual machine and it's asking for the kernel headers. |
| 01:37.39 | |Jason8| | They're not anywhere to be found... |
| 01:37.45 | racecar56 | linux-headers-2.6.26? |
| 01:37.46 | |Jason8| | How would I go about getting them? |
| 01:37.53 | yurikoles | how to delete file by inode? |
| 01:37.54 | aiuw | bpun, apologies. Yes, I did. |
| 01:37.58 | racecar56 | sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26 |
| 01:38.05 | racecar56 | i think that will work |
| 01:38.12 | abrotman | |Jason8|: uname -a |
| 01:38.22 | bpun | |Jason8|, apt-cache search linux-header |
| 01:38.35 | |Jason8| | alright. i'll try 'em all |
| 01:38.44 | bpun | aiuw, how's this hd plugged in? is this on the daisy chain ribbon? |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | |Jason8|: no ... which kernel are you running now? |
| 01:38.47 | racecar56 | im stuck in the terminal and i want kde, how do i do that? |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | aptitude instal kde kdm xorg |
| 01:38.57 | |Jason8| | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 01:38.58 | racecar56 | uname -r |
| 01:39.02 | aiuw | bpun, correct. |
| 01:39.02 | racecar56 | abrotman: kk |
| 01:39.17 | bpun | aiuw, what does that command say ? (fdisk -l) |
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| 01:39.32 | abrotman | |Jason8|: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 01:40.21 | |Jason8| | aha! |
| 01:40.23 | |Jason8| | Thanks abrotman |
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| 01:41.48 | bpun | aiuw, you never typed a command in your life? |
| 01:41.55 | aiuw | bpun, http://pastebin.com/d1ef0855b |
| 01:42.18 | bpun | notes echo abc | xclip (apt-get install xclip) allows middle-moouse button paste |
| 01:43.11 | aiuw | No, I had to first exited out of the BIOS menu, wait for it to boot, go back to my laptop, ssh in... |
| 01:43.28 | bpun | aiuw, if you formatted this drive, how come you cannot see the device? did you change kernels/ linux Oses ? |
| 01:43.44 | bpun | (rather a change of linux distro?) |
| 01:44.43 | bpun | aiuw, that's ridiculous |
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| 01:45.18 | abrotman | aiuw: if you read through 'dmesg' .. do you get any hints ? |
| 01:45.20 | bpun | aiuw, sounds like you're having an affair too |
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| 01:52.27 | flux_ | hello people.. i am installing debian unstable and i have been compiling a kernel for firewire support.. and i noticed that now there is no more /etc/udev/permision.rules to set mode and group for raw1394 |
| 01:52.36 | flux_ | how do i to this in the newer version |
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| 01:55.07 | abrotman | the kernel should already have firewire support |
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| 01:55.41 | flux_ | nope it didnt |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | yes .. it does |
| 01:55.55 | flux_ | i hade to recompile and select it from menconfig |
| 01:55.59 | flux_ | i am using ustable |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | it's built as a module |
| 01:56.49 | flux_ | but it i didnt not recognize my capture card and couldnot find /dev/dv1394 |
| 01:56.52 | flux_ | for kino |
| 01:57.07 | flux_ | i tried modprobe and didnt work either |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | i think that's a userland issue |
| 01:57.19 | flux_ | so i recomplied kernel and now it works |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | okay .. have fun with that |
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| 01:59.56 | DetroitLibertyPe | so I've been searching and I can't find a good solution as how to write script to create a shortcut to a self executing binary in a different file so I can doulbe click the icon on the desktop (LXDE) |
| 02:00.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | any ideas? |
| 02:00.39 | bpun | DetroitLibertyPe, huh? |
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| 02:00.54 | bpun | hates it when people try to be creative with terminology |
| 02:01.22 | beardy | Or take taken acronyms. |
| 02:01.24 | DetroitLibertyPe | in other words, i'm trying to create a desktop shortcut to run ./instantbird that is contained within a directory inside my home directory |
| 02:02.12 | beardy | DetroitLibertyPe: Well, you just give the full path to it and that's it, I can't imagine these "icons" in your desktop environment beign more complicated than that. |
| 02:03.20 | playdude | LXDE looks pretty nice |
| 02:03.20 | bpun | never uses the menu.. he uses launchy |
| 02:03.36 | beardy | DetroitLibertyPe: You don't want to run ./something, you want to run "/home/username/something/instantbird". |
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| 02:03.38 | bpun | nor does he ever dare blink at the desktop |
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| 02:04.33 | craigevil | DetroitLibertyPe: create a instantbird.desktop where the exec=path to instantbird |
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| 02:05.02 | bpun | beardy, he wants that click feeling just from the desktop.. seems to me he's afraid of climbing up that menu |
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| 02:06.06 | DetroitLibertyPe | right that has worked on everything else I've ever done, but it doesn't on this, and I can't figure out why, the only thing i can figure is that when I launch I always have had to cd and then ./instantbird, and I've never had to do that on any of the other very simple ones i've created, I"m sure I'm missing something very simple here |
| 02:06.36 | craigevil | DetroitLibertyPe: this is what I use to for Firefox.desktop http://paste.debian.net/42921/ |
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| 02:08.07 | playdude | Detroit |
| 02:08.20 | playdude | that instantbird script. Does it run another script? |
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| 02:10.38 | pingouin | flux_: by the way you have a dv cam ? |
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| 02:14.07 | flux_ | yes i do |
| 02:14.39 | flux_ | and canpus adv 110 to conver anolog video as well |
| 02:15.08 | flux_ | i use it with kino to capture for editing in cinelerra and for down live streaming in giss.tv |
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| 02:16.39 | pingouin | flux_: ok , sorry i'm not very good at it, but it's a classic DV cam ? not an HD ? the stream you aquired with firewire card is DV not acvhd ? |
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| 02:17.21 | flux_ | exactly the clasisid DV |
| 02:17.27 | pingouin | s/acvhd/AVCHD |
| 02:17.30 | pingouin | flux_: ok, thanks |
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| 02:18.03 | DetroitLibertyPe | craigevil:t thanks, that should give me enough to get me in the right direction, greatly appreciated |
| 02:18.11 | pingouin | flux_: with the change on this HD i was wondering if there is tool to aquired/decode AVCHD stream from all those news cam |
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| 02:18.17 | pingouin | on linux i mean |
| 02:18.20 | DetroitLibertyPe | playdude, yes |
| 02:18.53 | wOPr | hello folks |
| 02:19.13 | DetroitLibertyPe | hello wOPr |
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| 02:19.43 | wOPr | hello DetroitLibertyPe |
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| 02:25.40 | playdude | detroit how about changing Terminal=false to see what error message comes up when you try to run the shortcut? |
| 02:25.50 | playdude | sorry i mean Terminal=true |
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| 02:33.33 | DetroitLibertyPe | I have no idea what I did now I don't get an option to set as executiable |
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| 02:36.24 | AphelionZ1 | how are subdomains handled with debians sites-enabled and sites-available system? Do i put them in the virtualhost block or do I make new files for them? |
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| 02:41.06 | kub1 | eth0 has stopped working on my desktop box. KUbuntu 904(i can´t get an answer in #dubuntu, #ubuntu) Can you help me?? ifconfig eth0 says unkonwn interface. kinfocenter shows no eth0 . Network manager shows ¨new wired connection - never used¨ - any suggestions?? thx |
| 02:42.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:44.31 | playdude | now that's mean |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | it's correct |
| 02:45.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | http://paste.debian.net/42922/ is the result on terminal |
| 02:45.12 | playdude | What happens after you type cat /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:45.58 | playdude | Use Debian instead. It doesn't fail lol |
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| 02:46.36 | konr | Why can't I use sid in deboostrap with 'debootstrap sid /mnt/debian'? |
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| 02:47.39 | adb | konr: permissions? |
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| 02:49.19 | konr | adb: nope, I've got an error: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
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| 02:50.14 | adb | missing ../Packages ? |
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| 02:51.30 | playdude | My guess is there's a path issue in Instantbird script. What does the script look like? |
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| 02:56.18 | tCzern | hi, how can I find out what version of GTK+ I have? |
| 02:56.36 | racecar56 | dpkg -l | grep gtk |
| 02:56.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep gtk |
| 02:56.37 | racecar56 | i guess |
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| 02:56.51 | racecar56 | lol dpkg |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | tCzern: you should have 2.x and maybe 1.2.x also |
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| 02:57.12 | abrotman | tCzern: dpkg -l "libgtk*" |
| 02:57.23 | tCzern | trying to run scala, it's asking for 2.8.0 |
| 02:57.26 | racecar56 | libgtk2.0-0 is 2.x and libgtk1.2 is 1.2.x |
| 02:57.41 | playdude | apt-cache policy [insert name of gtk package] |
| 02:57.54 | racecar56 | you should *obviously* have a newer version than 2.8 if you use lenny |
| 02:58.01 | tCzern | cannot tell, using etch here |
| 02:58.04 | racecar56 | maybe libgtk2.8-dev? |
| 02:58.10 | Ezep | abrotman: 1.2? I think it's not in debian since lenny |
| 02:58.13 | racecar56 | hmm etch -might- have it |
| 02:58.19 | tCzern | Gtk+ 2.8.0 runtime or higher |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | Ezep: he's using etch ... |
| 02:58.40 | racecar56 | libgtk1.2-dev is existant in lenny |
| 02:58.42 | tCzern | scala runs, but it crashes when I think boooo |
| 02:58.51 | abrotman | judd: versions libgtk1.2 |
| 02:58.52 | judd | abrotman: libgtk1.2 -- etch: 1.2.10-18 lenny: 1.2.10-18.1 squeeze: 1.2.10-18.1 |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | and still in lenny and squeeze |
| 02:59.04 | Ezep | abrotman: oh, I did't read |
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| 02:59.08 | Ezep | that* |
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| 02:59.26 | micols | sudo /usr/sbin/chroot /srv/user "/bin/su user -c /bin/sh" shouldnt this work as a 'passwd script' for chrooting users ? , /bin/su and /bin/sh exists in /srv/user |
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| 02:59.46 | micols | i just get disconnected from ssh if i do try to connect, and su 'user' does nothing |
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| 03:00.03 | micols | and strace seems to imply that it is looking for my tty |
| 03:00.06 | playdude | su -u user |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | tCzern: etch doesn't have gtk2.8 i don' thtink |
| 03:00.22 | Lysoform | hello everybody!!! i have one question about RAID |
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| 03:00.45 | playdude | or sudo -u user |
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| 03:00.50 | playdude | can't remember which one |
| 03:01.08 | micols | playdude: i need to run chroot as root |
| 03:01.13 | tCzern | thanks |
| 03:01.14 | micols | and then normal su to the user |
| 03:01.23 | micols | no -u parameter to su |
| 03:01.31 | Lysoform | anybody know if, i have 2 disk, hda and hdb configurated raid 1, if the hda disk broken, i need reinstall the systems? |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | you shouldn't .. that's the idea of raid |
| 03:01.47 | micols | Lysoform: just take the one disk offline |
| 03:01.49 | playdude | i see |
| 03:01.57 | micols | Lysoform: then you will not get all those dmesg errors |
| 03:02.10 | DetroitLibertyPe | http://paste.debian.net/42923/ is what I have now |
| 03:02.17 | Lysoform | micols, hi |
| 03:02.50 | Lysoform | micols, i change hda disk, and now i need make the partitions again |
| 03:03.01 | DetroitLibertyPe | previously it was just /home/jim/downloads/instantbird/instantbird and a variation were I started with a . and cd /home/jim/instant birtd than ./instantbird |
| 03:03.37 | micols | Lysoform: if mdadm just set the bad disk as faulty, then --remove it and then --add the new one |
| 03:03.37 | micols | and then everything is automatic |
| 03:03.53 | micols | unless of course you have partition based raid :) |
| 03:04.05 | micols | then you need to copy i.e. the bootloader over |
| 03:04.40 | Lysoform | micols, but i reset my server and when did it, hda broken, so, i change now |
| 03:04.51 | Lysoform | and put a live CD |
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| 03:06.13 | Lysoform | micols, i have hda1 with /boot hda2 with / and hdc1 and hdc2 |
| 03:06.40 | Lysoform | my hda1 disk is broken and i can start my system, so i load a live cd |
| 03:06.45 | playdude | micols I had a similar problem. Tried to ssh into a chrooted shell. Got the tty error message too. Too bad I don't know much about tty. |
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| 03:09.53 | Lysoform | exit |
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| 03:10.25 | shivraj | in general what manufacturers web cams work with linux ? |
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| 03:11.14 | shivraj | machine1: how is verizon fios ? I have TIMEWARNER CABLE .. 15Mbps :) |
| 03:11.30 | Kizmet | shivraj, depends on what chipset they use to produce the specific model of webcam ;) |
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| 08:40.39 | unomi | hi, when doing for i in `seq 1 10`; do .. how do I use 'i' ? |
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| 08:41.34 | petemc | unomi: for i in `seq 1 10`; do echo $i ; done |
| 08:41.39 | unomi | specifically this is a curl script for testing my server setup, and I need /upload?key=test'i' |
| 08:41.57 | unomi | ah ok, so i could do ?key=test$i ? |
| 08:42.07 | nsadmin | unomi you set it without the $, you get its value with. |
| 08:42.07 | Esine | yes, but don't use single quotes |
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| 08:42.17 | petemc | why not use single quotes? |
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| 08:42.29 | Esine | '$i' prints literally $i |
| 08:42.35 | Esine | but "$i" prints the value of i |
| 08:42.38 | petemc | no, thats only to prevent history expansion |
| 08:42.49 | Esine | well it's the shell.. |
| 08:43.10 | petemc | oh, i see your point, sorry |
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| 08:44.09 | nsadmin | unomi also, there are two forms of command substitution, one is `command` and the other, newer one is $(command) which has the advantage of being nestable |
| 08:44.34 | nsadmin | disadvantage of not being in some shells |
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| 08:49.05 | nsadmin | unomi: that's one tip out of thousands available now when you install bash-doc and type info bash |
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| 08:50.53 | Esine | info pages :( |
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| 08:51.52 | nsadmin | they are the best content for gnu tools, generally. |
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| 08:54.20 | jaalto | How do I list LABELS in FAT32 partitions. The /etc/fstab uses LABEL=.... but how do I get the listing from fdisk(1) /dev/sda devides? |
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| 08:55.50 | mjt | jaalto: cfdisk will display them |
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| 08:58.18 | jaalto | mjt: Hm, it shows Linux lables, but not FAT 32 labels. |
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| 08:58.39 | gregoire | hello |
| 08:59.15 | gregoire | how to increase size of my chroot i have found something like dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1 count=1 seek=newsize conv=notrunc |
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| 08:59.37 | mjt | jaalto: it shows all labels which are present |
| 08:59.58 | mjt | jaalto: for unlabelled filesystems it does not show labels. |
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| 09:02.11 | jaalto | mjt: I have "etc/fstab: LABEL=windata /dev/sda7 /mnt/local/wdata vfat defaults" but Label name windata is not shown in cfdisk |
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| 09:02.43 | jaalto | mjt: correction "etc/fstab: LABEL=windata /dev/sda7 vfat defaults" |
| 09:03.50 | handjob | Hi i need to kill my X server for a secound and i don't want to go back to X session automaticaly. How can i do so withouth messing with the runlevels? |
| 09:03.51 | mjt | you'll have to correct your correction ;) |
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| 09:04.29 | jaalto | Cpy paste error |
| 09:04.36 | mjt | handjob: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 09:04.52 | mjt | handjob: i guess -- i've no idea which display manager you're running |
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| 09:05.07 | handjob | mjt, Thank you - i assume it will work with 'slim'? |
| 09:05.16 | mjt | definitely not |
| 09:05.25 | handjob | : P |
| 09:05.34 | mjt | for that something like `/etc/init.d/slim stop' will |
| 09:05.47 | jaalto | mjt: "/etc/msftab: LABEL=windata /mnt/local/wdata vfat defaults,utf8,noatime,nodiratime 0 0", "mount | grep wdata: /dev/sda7 on /mnt/local/wdata type vfat (rw...)" |
| 09:05.49 | handjob | Ah thank you again |
| 09:06.00 | mjt | jaalto: ok, finally :) |
| 09:06.32 | mjt | wonderful |
| 09:06.51 | mjt | here cfdisk shows *some* fat32 labels but not all. |
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| 09:07.26 | jaalto | I must have set labels when I partitoned the disks, but now can't figure out the names from the filesystem itself. The e2label shows Linux partitions fine (same as fsdisk). But FAT32 label names are still somewhere |
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| 09:07.37 | mjt | ok |
| 09:07.41 | mjt | blkid should do the trick |
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| 09:07.56 | mjt | it uses the same library as LABEL= code in mount |
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| 09:08.07 | mjt | just run blkid and it'll show all labels |
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| 09:09.20 | jaalto | mjt: that worked. Thanks. |
| 09:09.20 | mjt | jaalto: note that for usual msdos-style partitions there's no place in partition table for any labels. So whatever *partition* labels you used during fdisk stage got lost. |
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| 09:10.04 | slipshot | is there any restricted device manager in debian? and if so what is it called? |
| 09:10.16 | mjt | restricted? |
| 09:10.34 | mjt | and what's "device manager" in your definition? |
| 09:10.55 | slipshot | something like jockey-gtk |
| 09:11.07 | jaalto | mjt: which command can set label for the SWAP partition? |
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| 09:11.15 | mjt | jaalto: mkswap :) |
| 09:11.39 | jaalto | mjt: So I need to - swapoff + swapon (+ label option)? |
| 09:11.49 | mjt | swapoff, mkswap, swapon |
| 09:12.04 | Esine | Is it generally recommended to use always use labels and not rely on the device names? Does it work reliably? |
| 09:12.07 | jaalto | Hm. hard way, okay. |
| 09:12.54 | jaalto | Esine: [labels] In my experience, at least in SATA disks the labels are bliss over UUID and /dev/ names. The labels won't change |
| 09:13.17 | Esine | O.K. |
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| 09:13.25 | slipshot | so i take it there aint one? |
| 09:13.35 | mjt | Esine: it works either way. With labels it'll work even if your disks will be renumbered for whatever reason, but that reason is quite... unprobable. |
| 09:13.49 | raul | does any of you know how i can manage to make from a serial rs232 a wireless bridge (or bluetooth) |
| 09:13.52 | Esine | Do labels work fine on USB disk? I suppose it does not matter |
| 09:13.54 | raul | can you give me some info tnx.. |
| 09:13.59 | Esine | slipshot: We are still not sure what you mean by device manager.. |
| 09:14.02 | mjt | slipshot: i've no idea what's jokey-gdk |
| 09:14.38 | mjt | or gtk for what matter |
| 09:14.38 | jaalto | Esine: I don't think labels "stick" on unplugged devices. |
| 09:14.55 | slipshot | ok a program that finds drivers for video cards, wireless internet cards, etc.. |
| 09:14.58 | Esine | I thought labels are stored in the disk? maybe partition table |
| 09:15.08 | Esine | or with the fs |
| 09:15.17 | mjt | slipshot: it's called 'udev' ;) |
| 09:15.22 | mjt | slipshot: or, rather, modprobe |
| 09:15.23 | jaalto | mjt: Do you know if labels are written in the USB partition? That would really help |
| 09:15.47 | mjt | jaalto: filesystem labels does not depend on the underlying connection type |
| 09:15.55 | mjt | jaalto: they're written inside filesystems |
| 09:16.05 | Esine | Ah, ok. Very good to know |
| 09:16.06 | slipshot | well in ubuntu/Mint it is called jockey-gtk, just so you know |
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| 09:16.48 | jaalto | mjt: But when plugging 4 USB disks on random order, they get different /dev/sdX devices. Still the lables stay the same? |
| 09:17.24 | mjt | jaalto: assuming there's no conflicting labels, they will "point" to actual matching /dev/sdX nodes |
| 09:17.40 | mjt | jaalto: see also /dev/disk/by-label/ which is managed by udev |
| 09:18.56 | Esine | mjt: do you know if udev is loaded at initramfs boot? It is possible to use /dev/disk/by-label/device as the root's name? |
| 09:19.15 | jaalto | mjt: To be clear. The USB sticks get different /dev/sdX depending on the order they are plugged in. So how can label "know" that the last time STICK 1 was /dev/sde, is no /dev/sdg ? |
| 09:19.23 | jaalto | "is no" => "is now" |
| 09:19.26 | mjt | Esine: root=LABEL=foo works too |
| 09:19.37 | milkwood | hey all I have just upgraded an old server from sarge to etch |
| 09:19.52 | milkwood | how do i now what ernel i should be running |
| 09:19.58 | milkwood | kernel even |
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| 09:20.21 | milkwood | i am running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 09:20.32 | mjt | jaalto: /dev/disk/* is changed each time a device gets plugged/unplugged, by udevd. LABEL=foo in /etc/fstab gets processed at mount time by mount command (it scans all disks connected at the moment to find the label) |
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| 09:21.03 | mjt | Esine: and debian ships udev in initramfs, yes. |
| 09:21.06 | jaalto | milkwood: apt-cache search linux-image | grep 86 |
| 09:21.15 | Esine | ok, good! |
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| 09:21.46 | mjt | Esine: but note that root is somewhat special case. |
| 09:21.55 | Esine | yes? |
| 09:22.14 | mjt | you've less chances to fix it if something's broke |
| 09:22.28 | mjt | so it should be as simple and reliable as possible :) |
| 09:22.42 | milkwood | jaalto: yes but that brings up hundreds |
| 09:22.43 | Esine | and labels are reliable? |
| 09:23.25 | jelly | Esine: as long as they're unique... |
| 09:23.31 | Esine | yes.. ok |
| 09:23.46 | mjt | Esine: like, for a hypotetical example, due to some kernel bug your kernel has ovwerwitten start of your filesystem right before crashing... if you specify root=/dev/sda1 fsck will do the trick, but if LABEL= -- there may be no label... |
| 09:23.47 | jaalto | Esine: I have separate partition, which has mini-debian installation. That partition's GRUB boots to the "real" Debian. So if anything goes wrong, I just boot "single" to min-debian, mount the "real" Debian to fix things. |
| 09:24.12 | Esine | good idea jaalto |
| 09:24.18 | mjt | jaalto: i've initramfs for that :) |
| 09:24.37 | mjt | if it can't boot it asks me if i want to run rescue shell ;) |
| 09:25.10 | jaalto | Esine: Many do this sort of thing with "rescue CD", but I have added extra mini-debian to all severs. It's simple thing to boot to "rescue" mode as needed. |
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| 09:26.09 | jaalto | mjt: the "mini-debian" approach adds some more flexibility, when you have ssh servers + other tools in hand |
| 09:26.23 | mjt | mine has ssh inside too |
| 09:26.48 | jaalto | mjt: beat me :-) But you don't have "apt-get" |
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| 09:26.50 | mjt | with all other tools which may be necessary. fits into about 3mb |
| 09:27.13 | mjt | apt-get outside of a system is sorta useless |
| 09:27.38 | g00se | mjt: You mean you have a custom initramfs? |
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| 09:27.43 | mjt | if you want to recover damaged filesystem or whatnot - all tools are in initramfs. |
| 09:28.13 | jelly | gpart? all sorts of fscks? |
| 09:28.16 | mjt | if you want addd/remove programs - you can do it from initramfs too, by explicitly mounting real root and running apt-get from there |
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| 09:28.53 | mjt | not gpart but fdisk. with fsck for extfs and xfs (filesystems i actually use) |
| 09:28.55 | Esine | that's adding a lot of complexity the the initramfs |
| 09:28.56 | jaalto | mjt: Perhaps, but for efficient working the mini-debian + screen + Emacs is quite pleasant. |
| 09:29.11 | mjt | Esine: not at all |
| 09:29.31 | mjt | debian's initramfs is actually more complex than this one |
| 09:29.40 | Esine | I know you can configure it in /etc/initramfs-tools/, I recently set up a loop-aes encrypted root+other stuff like that |
| 09:29.42 | mjt | due to various "scriptlets" it uses |
| 09:29.47 | jaalto | mjt: But, wow - I never though using initramfs |
| 09:30.07 | milkwood | ok so i've got hundreds of kernels to choose from.. which should i use |
| 09:30.12 | jelly | mjt: gpart is the find-my-partitions-please thingy; fdisk doesn't really compare |
| 09:30.28 | mjt | jelly: ok, i never used and needed it so far :) |
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| 09:30.56 | jaalto | milkwood: Start with "apt-get install linux-image-686" |
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| 09:31.45 | jaalto | milkwood: Or "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-686", whatever is latest. |
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| 09:32.23 | milkwood | yep except i'm running -386 and none are listed |
| 09:32.51 | Esine | milkwood: what sort of processor do you have? most likely you can run -686 kernels. |
| 09:32.57 | Esine | It won't affect the userland |
| 09:32.59 | mjt | jelly: gpart: Size: 36968 -- no probs adding it to initfamfs :) |
| 09:33.48 | jaalto | milkwood: I'm sure the CPU is recent enough: "grep model /proc/cpuinfo". Or use the "*-486" if in doubt |
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| 09:34.17 | Esine | recent as in made less than ten years ago |
| 09:34.47 | milkwood | Its a pentium M for low power coonsumption on a rack |
| 09:34.47 | jaalto | milkwood: I have PII/400Mhz, and 686 is fine. |
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| 09:35.01 | jaalto | milkwood: About 15 year old. |
| 09:35.16 | milkwood | hmm... ok |
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| 09:35.27 | Lemon_BE | How can i exclude all paths that have ".svn" in there name when doing a cp -R ? |
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| 09:35.51 | mjt | Lemon_BE: cp does not provide this functionality |
| 09:35.57 | Lemon_BE | hmm |
| 09:36.08 | Esine | Lemon_BE: you may also use svn export to get a clean tree |
| 09:36.09 | log69 | Lemon_BE: use rsync |
| 09:36.15 | jaalto | Lemon_BE: Use find(1) option "! -name" or -regexp .... |
| 09:36.16 | mjt | Lemon_BE: you need cpio or tar or rsync |
| 09:36.20 | Lemon_BE | how can i delete all files and folders that have a .svn in their name? |
| 09:36.46 | Lemon_BE | well i cant use svn export because it was a manual backup |
| 09:36.47 | Lemon_BE | :s |
| 09:36.51 | jaalto | Lemon_BE: find . -name ".svn" | xargs echo rm -rf |
| 09:36.52 | mjt | find $path -name .svn -exec rm '{}' + |
| 09:36.54 | Esine | well.. find . -type d -name .svn -exec rm -rf "{}" ";" deletes all directories named .svn but it may be unsafe |
| 09:37.00 | mjt | rm -rf yeah |
| 09:37.08 | jaalto | Lemon_BE: If you're sure, remove that "echo" |
| 09:37.16 | mjt | Esine: note ; vs + |
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| 09:37.30 | Lemon_BE | hmm 3 suggestions |
| 09:37.32 | Esine | I can only guess what it does, it passes them as arguments mjt+ |
| 09:37.32 | mjt | jaalto: and that one is unsafe wrt spaces |
| 09:37.34 | Esine | ? |
| 09:37.53 | jaalto | mjt: Not. The parameter was ".svn" |
| 09:38.02 | Esine | jaalto: but the path may have spaces. |
| 09:38.06 | Lemon_BE | deleting all .svn folders would work too |
| 09:38.08 | mjt | Esine: read the manpage. for ; find invokes the command once for each file, for + the command invoked in batches |
| 09:38.18 | Esine | Yes |
| 09:38.20 | Lemon_BE | since that deleted the files in those |
| 09:38.21 | Esine | So it does that |
| 09:38.26 | mjt | jaalto: if your path will be "/some dir with space/.svn" it wont work |
| 09:38.28 | jelly | gives jaalto a -print0 and -0 to fix the commandline |
| 09:38.37 | jaalto | Esine: ok. But I guess who uses spaces? |
| 09:38.41 | mjt | jaalto: see what jelly said ; |
| 09:38.46 | jelly | !using find |
| 09:38.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 09:38.57 | Esine | jaalto: just because you or I don't use them, doesn't mean anyone doesn't |
| 09:39.03 | jaalto | jelly: right. |
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| 09:39.09 | Esine | also space is a valid character, there is no reason to not to use it on a modern system |
| 09:39.17 | jaalto | Esine: I mean, It's uncustomary in Unix land |
| 09:39.40 | jelly | jaalto: we don't know who created Esine's svn repository |
| 09:39.41 | Esine | jaalto: so you would rather punish the people who use space by deleting their directories? |
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| 09:39.48 | ajavid | hi |
| 09:39.51 | jaalto | Esine: I agree in general. Writing scripts like is a must. |
| 09:40.07 | mjt | common spaces or not, but it's better to show good and safe practice |
| 09:40.48 | mjt | note that find ... -exec does not have that prob |
| 09:41.11 | jaalto | Lemon_BE: [use this: as correct by the fellows] find . -print0 -type d -name ".svn" | xargs -0 echo rm -rf |
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| 09:41.22 | Lemon_BE | ok thx |
| 09:41.30 | mjt | NO |
| 09:41.32 | mjt | NONONONO |
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| 09:41.37 | jaalto | Lemon_BE: And lose the "echo" when all looks good |
| 09:41.38 | Lemon_BE | ok no? :p |
| 09:41.40 | Esine | haha mjt is losing it |
| 09:41.43 | mjt | jaalto: it will print EVERYTHING |
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| 09:41.58 | mjt | you first print a filename, next does tests on it |
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| 09:42.30 | jaalto | mjt: That's the intention. Test before running for real. |
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| 09:42.33 | mjt | you should first check if the file is the one you need (with -name etc), and only AFTER print it |
| 09:42.34 | Esine | I don't understand mjt? |
| 09:42.46 | Esine | ah right, find argument order |
| 09:42.49 | mjt | arguments for find are applied in order |
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| 09:43.03 | jaalto | mjt: You ment -print0 at the end. Ah. |
| 09:43.07 | mjt | yup |
| 09:43.15 | mjt | or else it'll delete everything |
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| 09:43.28 | jaalto | Lemon_BE: find . -type d -name ".svn" -print0 | xargs -0 echo rm -rf |
| 09:43.36 | mjt | yay! |
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| 09:43.49 | mjt | find . -type d -name ".svn" -exec rm -rf '{}' |
| 09:43.51 | mjt | find . -type d -name ".svn" -exec rm -rf '{}' + |
| 09:43.56 | mjt | ;) |
| 09:44.07 | Esine | guys which one should I use?? := |
| 09:44.12 | jaalto | mjt: Right. A little difference in efficiency |
| 09:44.14 | jelly | likes the xargs echo idiom |
| 09:44.16 | mjt | or echo rm -rf '{}' + |
| 09:44.30 | themill | or just use svn export instead |
| 09:44.35 | et | rm -rf **/.svn(/) |
| 09:44.42 | mjt | with exec you'll never forget about spaces |
| 09:44.47 | jaalto | et: which shell is that? |
| 09:44.50 | jelly | themill: [11:36] <Lemon_BE> well i cant use svn export because it was a manual backup |
| 09:44.51 | et | zsh |
| 09:45.00 | ajavid | isn't there a svnadmin/svn directive for removing a certain version control from a project instead of having to manually delete the .svn |
| 09:45.06 | jelly | jaalto: the best. |
| 09:45.09 | themill | jelly: ahh... didn't read back far enough |
| 09:45.23 | jaalto | jelly: matter of opinion :-= |
| 09:45.35 | jelly | jaalto: no, fact. |
| 09:45.55 | jaalto | jelly: Depends. I need portable scripts and solutions. |
| 09:45.56 | ajavid | fuckin woke up with massive heartburn, its 4:45am |
| 09:45.58 | ajavid | wtf |
| 09:45.59 | ajavid | :( |
| 09:46.13 | mjt | jaalto: btw, speaking of this -print0/-0: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind#Actions_in_bulk:_xargs.2C_-print0_and_-exec_.2B- ;) |
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| 09:46.46 | liable | ajavid: dont eat curry for midnight snacks! |
| 09:46.56 | jelly | jaalto: have fun with your POSIX sh, but beware Solaris /bin/sh doesn't even do all of that. |
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| 09:47.13 | ajavid | liable, uh i couldn't help it, whole family is at the parents house this summer, mom made awesome pakistani food last night |
| 09:47.17 | ajavid | hehe :D |
| 09:47.38 | Esine | Is it possible to create a file with a null byte in the filename? |
| 09:47.46 | ajavid | Esine, yes |
| 09:47.51 | Esine | How? |
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| 09:48.00 | ajavid | well I know that in windows/dos you can |
| 09:48.05 | ajavid | probably in linux too |
| 09:48.14 | ajavid | Esine, I only know in dos cuz im a noob |
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| 09:48.25 | et | null and / are forbidden in filenames |
| 09:48.29 | Esine | I suppose not with the standard library.. but maybe there is a linux system call |
| 09:48.33 | ajavid | Esine, ren file1 file<alt + 254> |
| 09:48.49 | ajavid | 254 is a nullspace char afaicr |
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| 09:49.00 | ajavid | so in dos you can do it, but explorer doesn't read it, windows bug |
| 09:49.08 | ajavid | I guess you can't have a null in linux |
| 09:49.11 | ajavid | too bad |
| 09:49.39 | Esine | the XFS wikipedia page says it allows all characters except NULL in the filename. Maybe the / is a Linux-only limitation? |
| 09:49.47 | scream_ | i think \0 and / are the only disallowed symbols in a filename |
| 09:49.48 | koollman | you could modify the name to a null byte... |
| 09:49.55 | koollman | but, that would be kind of pointless |
| 09:50.02 | jelly | scream_: \0/ |
| 09:50.09 | koollman | :) |
| 09:50.10 | jaalto | mjt: Nice link. The GNU find(1) "rm {} +" syntax was new to me. |
| 09:50.29 | mjt | jaalto: it's the link dpkg showed us :) |
| 09:50.43 | koollman | jaalto: that's because you don't know yet the GNU find -delete flag ;) |
| 09:50.43 | ajavid | jelly, your head is too big |
| 09:50.48 | ajavid | jelly, try \o/ |
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| 09:51.11 | scream_ | jelly, dunno, it remids me of goatse :D |
| 09:51.16 | jelly | smacks some context catching skills into ajavid's skull |
| 09:51.35 | ajavid | wasn't paying attention |
| 09:51.54 | jelly | you never seem to. I blame the drugs! |
| 09:52.02 | ajavid | what drugs? |
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| 09:52.11 | ajavid | are you calling me a druggie? |
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| 09:52.18 | Esine | guys, guys! it's getting out of control. let's focus! this is #debian afterall |
| 09:52.22 | jelly | says the person formerly known as stoned :-) |
| 09:52.22 | ajavid | you don't even know me. |
| 09:52.27 | jaalto | mjt: [-delete] somethign new again. Thanks. But I suppose -delete "deletes individually", not in chunks? |
| 09:52.32 | Esine | we should be discussing about linux nerd stuff stroking our neckbeards |
| 09:53.16 | ajavid | I also grew a beard |
| 09:53.20 | ajavid | now I look like a programmer |
| 09:54.16 | liable | are you nyle? |
| 09:54.30 | ajavid | liable, you've asked me this like 4 times before |
| 09:54.37 | liable | no i havent |
| 09:54.39 | ajavid | liable, the answer still hasn't changed :) |
| 09:54.48 | mjt | jaalto: there's an unlink(2) system call which deletes a single file, and rm command that can be executed to delete one or more files. The ineffectiveness of find -exec .. ; is due to the fact that it needs to EXECUTE rm many many times. unlink() does not need any overhead to fork+exec another process, it's the fastest and only way to delete a file (not counting mkfs) |
| 09:54.52 | liable | what is the anser? |
| 09:54.55 | ajavid | yes |
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| 09:55.26 | liable | right, stop changing your fucking nick! :P |
| 09:55.35 | ajavid | actually previous one were nicks |
| 09:55.39 | ajavid | this is my name |
| 09:55.52 | ajavid | Atir Javid Khan, related to Ghengis |
| 09:55.55 | ajavid | don't mess with me! ;) |
| 09:56.07 | liable | apparently, most of us are related.. |
| 09:56.11 | liable | to him.. |
| 09:56.14 | ajavid | hehe |
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| 09:56.53 | ajavid | and I'm proud of myself |
| 09:56.57 | cahoot | hell of a CEO |
| 09:56.59 | ajavid | havn't touched pot in over a year |
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| 09:57.10 | ajavid | hows that for a slice of fried gold |
| 09:57.12 | liable | boring |
| 09:57.22 | ajavid | ehh its great |
| 09:57.35 | ajavid | I like being able to remember where I put my car keys |
| 09:57.38 | ajavid | is nice |
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| 09:58.45 | _Maru_ | anyone know what a -d means in a shell script? |
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| 09:59.07 | mjt | _Maru_: it means nothing without context |
| 09:59.16 | jelly | mjt: stop stealing my lines! |
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| 09:59.33 | mjt | heh |
| 09:59.38 | ajavid | _Maru_, True if file exists and is a directory. |
| 09:59.49 | liable | steals jelly's coffe mug |
| 09:59.49 | jaalto | _Maru_: Give an example. |
| 09:59.51 | ajavid | _Maru_, man bash -- CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS |
| 09:59.57 | jelly | feels superfluous and retreats to the background |
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| 10:00.13 | ajavid | _Maru_, apart from the doc, what are you trying to do that #bash can't help with? |
| 10:00.16 | jaalto | _Maru_: if [ -d /this/directory ] ...? |
| 10:00.21 | ajavid | _Maru_, is this debian specific? |
| 10:00.31 | ajavid | or a general bash/linux question? |
| 10:00.35 | mjt | poor _Maru_ ... ;) |
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| 10:00.53 | Esine | hey let's everyone highlight _Maru_ |
| 10:01.05 | _Maru_ | errr postgresql script is crapping out on me |
| 10:01.34 | _Maru_ | it's doing a [ -d "/etc/postgresql/$2" ] || return 0 |
| 10:02.04 | mjt | in this case -d is an option for [ command (an alias for test) |
| 10:02.05 | ajavid | its checking to see if /etc/postgresql/$2 (3rd param) (2nd actually but 3rd in real) |
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| 10:02.11 | ajavid | if it is a directory or not |
| 10:02.13 | ajavid | if not, fail. |
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| 10:02.22 | mjt | s/fail/succeed/ |
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| 10:03.01 | _Maru_ | thanks ajavid |
| 10:03.42 | mjt | return 0 means success, anything else means failure. But that 3 vs 2 is confusing ;) 2nd parameter if not counting function/command name itself |
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| 10:03.51 | ajavid | ehh |
| 10:04.02 | sanmarcos | I want to install debian on a server, but I want something like Ubuntu LTS, how long are security updates offered to a debian release, and also which version should I choose? |
| 10:04.05 | mjt | but ok |
| 10:04.07 | ajavid | in reality yes, it actually does count itself |
| 10:04.13 | milkwood | there seems to be PAE issues for Pentium M on 686 |
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| 10:04.18 | mjt | ajavid: $0 |
| 10:04.20 | ajavid | milkwood, like what |
| 10:04.28 | ajavid | mjt, precisely |
| 10:04.50 | milkwood | well the older Pentium Ms cant handle the extended addressing used in i686 kernels |
| 10:04.52 | mjt | milkwood: so run a non-pae kernel? |
| 10:05.05 | ajavid | !tell sanmarcos -about debian |
| 10:05.16 | ajavid | sanmarcos, until new stable is released |
| 10:05.19 | nirupama | Esine, hi |
| 10:05.23 | milkwood | ok I'm a newbie... point me in the right direction pls |
| 10:05.24 | nirupama | Esine, you there? |
| 10:05.28 | ajavid | sanmarcos, even after new stable is released, oldstable is supported for upto 12-18 months |
| 10:05.33 | Esine | hi nirupama |
| 10:05.40 | sanmarcos | ajavid: how long are the release cycles for stable? |
| 10:05.41 | ajavid | sanmarcos, after which an upgrade to current stable is recommended |
| 10:05.48 | ajavid | sanmarcos, we don't have release cycles |
| 10:05.50 | ajavid | !release history |
| 10:05.51 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 10:05.58 | ajavid | sanmarcos, we release when we are ready to release |
| 10:06.05 | sanmarcos | about 2/3 years, ok |
| 10:06.12 | ajavid | maybe, maybe not |
| 10:06.18 | sanmarcos | could I use testing for a server ajavid, if I wanted newer packages? |
| 10:06.20 | ajavid | lenny got out faster than anything |
| 10:06.24 | ajavid | sanmarcos, no you should not |
| 10:06.31 | ajavid | !tell sanmarcos -about backports |
| 10:06.32 | jelly | ajavid: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00009.html |
| 10:06.33 | nirupama | Esine,How does a audio or video cd run automatically in linux? |
| 10:06.37 | sanmarcos | too many updates ajavid? |
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| 10:06.47 | Esine | um.. |
| 10:06.50 | ajavid | nice |
| 10:06.52 | nirupama | Esine, Will the cd does all the work or even the os |
| 10:06.53 | ajavid | jelly, fuck yeah. |
| 10:06.58 | ajavid | sweet |
| 10:07.04 | Esine | it's the operating system always |
| 10:07.21 | Esine | or in this case, some sort of automounter |
| 10:07.40 | nirupama | Esine, so even if I keep the script in usb some thing should be there in os to invoke it.right? |
| 10:07.48 | Esine | yes |
| 10:07.48 | jelly | sanmarcos: in general, the safest thing to do is use stable; use backports for newer versions of software; only use newer versions of the select few apps you really need to be fresh. |
| 10:08.15 | sanmarcos | jelly: thanks! |
| 10:08.18 | ajavid | jelly, don't let anyone ever tell you that you are not the man |
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| 10:08.21 | ajavid | jelly, you are the fucking man. |
| 10:08.23 | nirupama | Esine, only usb will not solve my problem |
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| 10:08.27 | jelly | NOT SO! |
| 10:08.31 | ajavid | bullshit |
| 10:08.33 | ajavid | stop being humble |
| 10:08.35 | ajavid | :) |
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| 10:09.18 | liable | did someone mention pie? |
| 10:09.26 | ajavid | pie |
| 10:09.30 | Selveste1 | If I wants to upgrade my etch to lenny remotely - and have about 100 miles to the server how shoot I do that ? screen and a upgrade like in the release docs for lenny ? |
| 10:09.34 | jaalto | Anyone remember a bash command keybingin to replace "word" with "another"? |
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| 10:09.44 | ajavid | !etch->lenny |
| 10:09.50 | ajavid | stupid bot |
| 10:10.03 | ajavid | dpkg, ping |
| 10:10.03 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
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| 10:10.18 | ajavid | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:10.30 | ajavid | why doesn't it do the factoid (cuz of the -> ?) |
| 10:10.36 | ajavid | that throws it off? |
| 10:10.50 | ajavid | msg works, but not ! |
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| 10:11.13 | _Maru_ | so whats a [ -e "..."] ?? |
| 10:11.24 | ajavid | _Maru_, read the bash manpage |
| 10:11.28 | Selveste1 | ajavid: I just type it my self :P |
| 10:11.28 | ajavid | _Maru_, man bash |
| 10:11.47 | ajavid | !upgrade |
| 10:11.48 | dpkg | methinks upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> |
| 10:11.59 | liable | bash help set (or something) i think its the info page, not man for that stuff |
| 10:12.07 | jelly | ajavid: sometimes your nick has to be registered to receive private msgs from dpkg. |
| 10:12.12 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.13 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.15 | ajavid | oops |
| 10:12.19 | ajavid | but it does exist in the manpage |
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| 10:12.33 | ajavid | 05:12 [freenode] >>> ajavid [n=ajavid@unaffiliated/ajavid] |
| 10:12.36 | ajavid | im identified |
| 10:12.46 | jelly | _Maru_: or "man test", or "man [" |
| 10:12.47 | ajavid | is identified to services |
| 10:12.53 | jelly | dunno then |
| 10:13.01 | ajavid | jelly, no i get the /msg |
| 10:13.05 | ajavid | I don't get the public factoid ! |
| 10:13.10 | ajavid | !etch->lenny |
| 10:13.24 | ajavid | see, nothing, but /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:13.27 | ajavid | it works |
| 10:13.39 | _Maru_ | found it thanks |
| 10:13.50 | u19809 | hi all, I am trying to compile bison from source but it fails when trying to compile the examples and the documentation. I do not need either of those but would like the compile to terminate sucessfully. How can I disable their build or make the build work ? |
| 10:14.23 | jelly | !etch->lenny |
| 10:14.28 | ajavid | u19809, are there any config options? |
| 10:14.39 | ajavid | u19809, configure options you can specify to build without docs and the rest? |
| 10:14.47 | ajavid | u19809, ./configure --help perhaps |
| 10:15.20 | ajavid | whats wrong with debian bison? |
| 10:15.23 | u19809 | ajavid : --help does not show any relevant info and I tried --disable and --without... however I do not know the options they support |
| 10:15.56 | ajavid | ajavid, then get the bison source package from debian and look at the rules |
| 10:16.00 | ajavid | I mean u19809 |
| 10:16.21 | ajavid | u19809, look at how debian used the build options, which ones it used etc. and try to debanize your package like it |
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| 10:17.38 | sanmarcos | would the debian-update 5.0.2 iso take place of the 1st iso?, i.e burn the update and not the first one? |
| 10:17.49 | ajavid | yup |
| 10:18.13 | ajavid | !cd contents |
| 10:18.14 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 10:19.13 | Lish | can any one explain to me those ports! what actualy do? rpcbind auth netbios-ssn microsoft-ds |
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| 10:20.01 | sanmarcos | ajavid: then why is it called debian502 and its 4gb, and debian-update-5.0.2 is 2gb? |
| 10:20.10 | Esine | Lish: netbios-ssn is port 139, it is the detaulf port for some Windows services |
| 10:20.21 | Lish | ok |
| 10:20.22 | Esine | and microsoft-ds is 445.. |
| 10:20.34 | Lish | yes |
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| 10:20.47 | sanmarcos | ajavid: see: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-dvd/ what should one do with debian-update ISO? |
| 10:20.47 | ajavid | netbios over tcp/ip |
| 10:20.53 | Esine | also if you use Samba on Linux it binds to those |
| 10:20.59 | Esine | (samba server) |
| 10:21.07 | Lish | ya i use |
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| 10:21.47 | ajavid | sanmarcos, I would get th 5.0.2 iso CD not dvd and use it to install debian |
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| 10:22.01 | Lish | sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop microsoft-ds netbios-ssn auth its gone:) thnx |
| 10:22.07 | ajavid | I don't use cds, but I would assume that the 5.0.2 is not merely just an update cd, but a full debian cd with updated to 5.0.2 |
| 10:22.47 | themill | There's also an "update" iso that is just an update image to add to your sources.list |
| 10:23.04 | sanmarcos | oh, ok, instead of having to downoad it |
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| 10:24.07 | sanmarcos | its for 5.0 users right? |
| 10:24.17 | sanmarcos | the debian-update-5.0.2 images |
| 10:24.18 | ajavid | i dont know much at all |
| 10:24.22 | ajavid | :( |
| 10:24.29 | sanmarcos | neither does debian, no docs |
| 10:25.52 | sanmarcos | ajavid: I could use netinst, or a CD, but I only have writable dvd's, so I'll just let the DVD image download all night |
| 10:25.58 | sanmarcos | might as well.. |
| 10:26.12 | petemc | at least bandwidth is free |
| 10:26.22 | sanmarcos | it is, Bittorrent |
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| 10:26.37 | ajavid | ok |
| 10:26.44 | ajavid | sounds like a plan |
| 10:26.57 | ajavid | I woke up 45 mins ago at 4:45am |
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| 10:27.11 | Esine | Are you in America, ajavid? |
| 10:27.11 | ajavid | you must be in europe? |
| 10:27.18 | ajavid | Esine, cst usa |
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| 10:27.38 | Esine | Youäd have to go to Asia for it to be night |
| 10:27.40 | Esine | You'd |
| 10:27.43 | ajavid | ahh |
| 10:27.56 | Esine | it's 13:30 in europe gmt+2 |
| 10:28.09 | sanmarcos | ajavid: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 for release cycles |
| 10:28.18 | ajavid | sanmarcos, I am aware |
| 10:28.26 | sanmarcos | and once the new stable comes out I can just apt-get upgrade to it? |
| 10:28.28 | ajavid | lenny next valentines day |
| 10:28.32 | ajavid | I mean squeeze |
| 10:28.45 | ajavid | I was hoping squeeze would take 2 years but no, they wanna push it out in 1 year |
| 10:28.51 | ajavid | sucks for me, cuz I like kde3 |
| 10:28.54 | Esine | why so soon? :x |
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| 10:29.18 | ajavid | This will be a one-time exception |
| 10:29.20 | ajavid | to the two-year policy in order to get into the new time schedule. |
| 10:29.32 | ajavid | The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based |
| 10:29.33 | ajavid | development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle. |
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| 10:31.19 | sanmarcos | http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/220322-what-update-iso-image.html |
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| 10:32.25 | sanmarcos | what was that site that provided screenshots of distros, from installation to first login? |
| 10:32.36 | Esine | distronews or something |
| 10:33.03 | liable | guy is a debian hater |
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| 10:34.08 | ajavid | liable, who? |
| 10:34.26 | liable | distrowatch man |
| 10:34.32 | ajavid | oh yeah |
| 10:34.36 | ajavid | agreed |
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| 10:34.40 | Esine | why? |
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| 10:34.45 | ajavid | go read |
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| 10:40.09 | sanmarcos | ajavid: so I am going to update from an ubuntu dapper server, to debian lenny, what is the best approach towards migrating my configuration? partitioning, virtualizing, ? |
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| 10:42.25 | ajavid | hm |
| 10:42.32 | ajavid | sanmarcos, no idea |
| 10:42.49 | ajavid | sanmarcos, read the debian install guide for installation instructions |
| 10:42.54 | ajavid | sanmarcos, /msg dpkg what to backup |
| 10:43.03 | ajavid | sanmarcos, to learn what you should backup and restore on debian |
| 10:43.21 | ajavid | sanmarcos, keep the ubuntu partition for now, don't remove it |
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| 10:43.38 | ajavid | sanmarcos, make sure you get debian installed and working before you get rid of the other OS |
| 10:43.56 | ajavid | sanmarcos, in case the impossible happens, you'll at least have an ubuntu system to use |
| 10:44.10 | sanmarcos | ajavid: does the debian installer include a non destructive partitioner? |
| 10:44.50 | sanmarcos | btw is the debian installer on 5.0 graphical (i.e GTK) ? |
| 10:44.58 | Esine | both |
| 10:45.32 | sanmarcos | nice |
| 10:46.37 | u19809 | ajavid : been looking but not find debian specific build procedure for bison. Downloaded the 'orig.tar.gz' code |
| 10:47.18 | the-dude | u19809: apt-get source bison ? |
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| 10:50.44 | u19809 | u19809 : ok just did that and configured and compiled and got : No rule to make target `bison.texinfo', needed by `bison.info' |
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| 11:00.55 | transplant | OK. So I have an ADSL modem which I do PPPoE to the provider to get static IP. The modem also has an antenna for wireless |
| 11:01.03 | transplant | how do other devices get IPs? |
| 11:01.55 | transplant | I mean, the PPPoE layer is not known to the modem. |
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| 11:02.34 | mjt | transplant: sure your modem can't do pppoe by its own? |
| 11:02.54 | transplant | hmm. Haven't tried that. |
| 11:03.13 | mjt | because else you'll have to install all stuff on your box |
| 11:03.17 | mjt | including nat/dhcp/whatever |
| 11:03.31 | transplant | But I have static IP. How does it know to give the static IP to the PC and other (masqueraded?) to other wireless devices (neigbours) |
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| 11:03.58 | Szatyniaq | hi |
| 11:04.02 | DTal | Do you have more than one static IP? If not, you can't; you'll need NAT. |
| 11:04.05 | transplant | damng. Probably there would be a web interface to configure the modem... |
| 11:04.08 | mjt | for some reason many gudes ISPs offers talks about using such modems in bridge mode, running even ADSL stuff on windows... |
| 11:04.10 | damien__ | i am choosing a license for my project. debian is a fairly wise community, so may i ask: GPLv3 or BSD? i understand BSD is less restrictive, but I don't mind being aggressive so I wonder if GPLv3 is the best choise for me? |
| 11:04.17 | Szatyniaq | how i get mcedit for debian? |
| 11:04.48 | mjt | (pppoa actually) |
| 11:04.54 | damien__ | so, my main question i guess would be, is there anything wrong with GPLv3 or anything that I need to be aware of? |
| 11:04.56 | transplant | DTal: yes. The NAT will be performed by the linux PC or the modem? |
| 11:05.01 | liable | Szatyniaq: package mc |
| 11:05.04 | ajavid | damien__, read it |
| 11:05.07 | nevyn | damien__: it's your code your choice |
| 11:05.15 | damien__ | ok |
| 11:05.16 | DTal | transplant: modem, ideally. |
| 11:05.19 | nevyn | understand the tradeoffs of each licence |
| 11:05.31 | Szatyniaq | liable: hum? |
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| 11:06.05 | mjt | transplant: if you can't force the MODEM to have that static IP, you'll have to configure everything on your box not modem. |
| 11:06.06 | liable | Szatyniaq: mcedit is used within mc (midnight-commander file manager thingo) |
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| 11:07.07 | transplant | well, initially the modem has an address 10.0.0.x, after pppoe my PC gets a normal static IP |
| 11:07.08 | mjt | dpkg: wb! |
| 11:07.09 | mjt | ;) |
| 11:07.09 | dpkg | thanks, mjt. It's good to be back. |
| 11:07.38 | nevyn | those markov chains can be scary sometime. |
| 11:07.51 | transplant | well, I'll look for a configuration web inteface in the modem |
| 11:09.00 | liable | transplant: the modem will get a static external ip, and NAT an internal lan to other boxen. |
| 11:10.22 | transplant | OK. so the modem will do the PPPoE if I somehow configure it to that? |
| 11:10.41 | liable | actually, reading your last few comments, your linux box is doing the actuall connection? |
| 11:10.47 | transplant | yes |
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| 11:11.20 | liable | transplant: then it depends if your moddem has the capability to do it itself and support routing |
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| 11:12.14 | transplant | I am using the scripts from my previous modem which wasn't wireless. I got a new one which has an antenna and I'm wondering how it should work |
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| 11:12.43 | liable | transplant: does it have ports for more ethernet cables? ie, its a router as well? |
| 11:12.50 | Timmy2Tall | So how about those cardinals |
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| 11:13.16 | transplant | liable, yes. it has 4 ethernet ports |
| 11:13.51 | liable | transplant: then it likely does the whole lot itself. get into its web interface and pop your username and stuff in its asdl page |
| 11:14.42 | liable | transplant: read the user manual :P |
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| 11:15.56 | moocow | !raid |
| 11:15.56 | dpkg | from memory, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, <raid-resizing>, or kills bugs dead |
| 11:16.44 | moocow | guys, i'm looking for the simplest possible way to add a set of raid 1 drives to a server and just mount the raid1 set via fstab. google articles concentrate on adding raid to a working non raid system |
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| 11:17.18 | moocow | i'm looking for clean / sipmle instructions as i don't have any margin for error teasing out irrlevenat info from other articles. anyone know of a good instruction set for this? |
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| 11:18.11 | DTal | moocow: take it your motherboard doesn't support RAID? normally motherboard RAID is a bad idea, but RAID 1 should be okay |
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| 11:19.03 | moocow | it does but its linux and software raid is usually on mobos ... i'd trust mdraid over any of the vendor stuff. also, the server is in a datacenter so not exactly feasable right now |
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| 11:20.41 | DTal | wait you wanna set up RAID remotely? |
| 11:21.12 | DTal | o.O |
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| 11:21.58 | scream_ | it's possible. but a reboot will be required (and some praying to your $DEITY while it happens) |
| 11:22.28 | Esine | who said he's going to use raid for the root? |
| 11:22.49 | Esine | no reboot needed for making a software raid and mounting it |
| 11:22.55 | DTal | Esine: ah good point |
| 11:22.56 | moocow | yeah not booting |
| 11:23.13 | moocow | i only need to add a raid1 array as an additional mount point and drop some files on there |
| 11:23.29 | moocow | its sata so i'm expecting 1 to fail and just need enough redundancy to cover that eventuality |
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| 11:23.42 | moocow | still googling of course |
| 11:23.43 | Esine | but it is a little odd, moocow, you've had the hard drives in there for a long time but only now making use of it? |
| 11:23.53 | moocow | no not long time |
| 11:23.57 | scream_ | yeah, but a reboot test is almost mandatory, you can never be sure that your newly baked raid will start up properly |
| 11:24.03 | Esine | the connector itself doesn't say whether it's reliable or not |
| 11:24.34 | moocow | i added them a few days ago, didn't have time to setup raid. they are going to be in for a few months only, its temporary redundancy. i can get away with one but ... |
| 11:24.43 | Esine | I see |
| 11:24.46 | moocow | aha |
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| 11:25.03 | Esine | are they consumer grade sata disks moocow or one of those 10k (wd) ones? |
| 11:25.07 | moocow | crap, heh. well i can go down and reboot after the normal day and test, i don't have time right now |
| 11:25.16 | moocow | consumer grade, totally unreliable |
| 11:25.19 | Esine | ah |
| 11:25.36 | moocow | scsis will take a while to get in and setup |
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| 11:25.56 | liable | theyre all software raid, if you want real raid, get a very expensive 3ware or similar card |
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| 11:26.29 | mjt | linux software raid usually works better... |
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| 11:26.44 | Esine | but what happens when the raid card fails? :x if you don't find the same exact or very similar controller your data will be lost forever.. |
| 11:26.58 | mjt | i yet to see any hw raid solution which can stand close to linux in speed and reliability. |
| 11:27.04 | liable | yep, its also pretty much the only choice with those silly bios raid things |
| 11:27.07 | moocow | well thats the point of raid 1 |
| 11:27.10 | moocow | this isn't raid 0 |
| 11:27.15 | paxcoder | I want to post a problem I have with Iceweasel. Be warned, the description is lengthy. I want to find out if it's a bug or just settings. |
| 11:27.20 | moocow | in raid 1 one hd fails, you should still be able to mount the other |
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| 11:27.29 | paxcoder | I store a hash into a cookie that enables me to "remember" the user that logged in. Each time the user visits the page, hash changes (updates), and the new value is stored in the cookie. Now, When I set the cookie with this new value, and when I print its contents, everything is fine. The hash (which I stored put in the database) is the same as the one in the cookie's. The cookie seems set ok. |
| 11:27.29 | paxcoder | However, when I grep my cookie values from my disk, the value is obsolete (the old one is there - if there was an old one). I need to wait for a while for the cookie on disk to be updated. If I don't wait it out before I close my browser (Iceweasel), next time I start the browser, and open my page, the value will be old, and I will be logged out. |
| 11:27.29 | paxcoder | Instead of waiting, I can also "look into" the cookie from the browser (edit-preferences-privacy-show cookies), and after that, look into the cookie file on the disk again, the value will then be updated. |
| 11:27.32 | paxcoder | It seems as if Iceweasel is late in writing cookies down so to say. But if it was generally slow in writing them down, I'd be logged out of other websites as well, which I'm not. So you see, I'm very confused. What's even stranger is that I don't have this problem in Epiphany. |
| 11:27.35 | Esine | whoa |
| 11:27.40 | liable | yikes |
| 11:27.46 | liable | thats a wall of text |
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| 11:28.21 | moocow | liable: we have a 3ware already in there, scsis are being ordered |
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| 11:28.24 | moocow | *nod* |
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| 11:28.38 | mjt | what's the equuivalent of `apt-cache policy' in aptitude, if any? |
| 11:28.54 | moocow | i preffer the hw raid, i trust 3wares bios interface ... i've had raid 1 arrays go down and the system keep on going on one hd before |
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| 11:30.30 | paxcoder | abrotman: no ideas? |
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| 11:30.41 | paxcoder | (saw you join) |
| 11:30.45 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 11:30.54 | mjt | moocow: jfyi, with recent hardware i found sata disks to be much more affordable than scsi or sas. They're faster (due to much better data dencity), even 7200RPM sata vs 15KRPM sas, they finally has real NCQ implementations (unlike many high-end sas ones, unfortunately) and they're dirt cheap so if reliability is concerned you can get 5x more drives for redundancy (and speed!) and still be cheaper than scsi/sas... |
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| 11:31.10 | Esine | moocow: But what happens when your 3ware card dies? |
| 11:31.24 | moocow | mjt: heh, thats actually good point |
| 11:31.30 | Esine | Not all 3ware raid cards are compatible, so you need to find the exact model card to access the hard drives again |
| 11:31.34 | moocow | Esine: same answer as when my mobo dies |
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| 11:31.43 | Esine | but with software raid you can use ANY computer |
| 11:31.46 | moocow | everything ultimately has a single point of failure |
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| 11:31.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: every time they 'log in' to where? |
| 11:32.01 | moocow | its just a matter how far down the line you need that single point of failure |
| 11:32.03 | liable | Esine: eh? its still a FS that any controller can read |
| 11:32.03 | Esine | we are not suggesting you use your motherboard's raid, moocow, but Linux software raid |
| 11:32.04 | jelly | Esine: if you don't have a spare card waiting, you've already lost! |
| 11:32.19 | moocow | Esine: thats what i'm trying to setup now without hosing my live box :) |
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| 11:33.03 | paxcoder | abrotman: log in to my website. (this is done automatically, via the said cookie) |
| 11:33.04 | Esine | liable: is it? Usually RAID stores some metadata, and especially if you use RAID5 or any other than RAID1 the disk format will be propietary |
| 11:33.07 | lvh | Esine: My Areca came with recovery software that doesn't rely on hardware. Buy better hardware. |
| 11:33.09 | liable | unless your talking striped? i always forget what 0 and 1 are |
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| 11:33.17 | paxcoder | abrotman: which means if the value is old, they will be logged out. |
| 11:33.20 | lvh | liable: 0 is striping, 1 is mirroring. |
| 11:33.22 | Esine | oh, I did not know that lvh |
| 11:33.24 | moocow | i think i found a tutorial that is clear enough now ... i think i can get through this |
| 11:33.57 | lvh | Most raid cards are overkill for raid 0 or 1 or some combination of them. |
| 11:33.57 | liable | lvh: i hope you'll be here for the next time i forget that :) |
| 11:34.01 | moocow | well with raid 1 its super simple, you should be able to run it anywhere |
| 11:34.10 | moocow | raid 0 5 other gets frickin dicey |
| 11:34.27 | moocow | as mjt said, satas are so cheap it really becomes an interesting proposition to just throw hardware at the problem |
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| 11:34.34 | lvh | Esine: also, areca cards store zero metadata for mirrored arrays. |
| 11:34.44 | lvh | Esine: well, zero *on the drive*. |
| 11:34.52 | Esine | lvh: then.. how can it know which hdd is newer? |
| 11:35.04 | jelly | lvh: that sounds extremely unwise |
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| 11:35.12 | lvh | Esine: You can pull out any of my raid 1 drives and put it somewhere else. |
| 11:35.21 | liable | a real raid shouldnt have metadata that is proprietry, its just a FS |
| 11:35.29 | Esine | if one hdd fails out of 2 hdd raid1, then you plug in a new hdd right? how will it know which one of the two hdds has the real data? |
| 11:35.40 | jelly | liable: no, it's just a block device. |
| 11:35.50 | lvh | liable: It's not a filesystem at all. |
| 11:36.02 | lvh | Esine: It knows which one failed. |
| 11:36.04 | liable | jelly: semantics, bleh :P i suck at saying what i mean. |
| 11:36.04 | moocow | Esine: the raid controllers handle that |
| 11:36.11 | moocow | oh wait |
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| 11:36.16 | moocow | i see what you are saying, hehe! |
| 11:36.17 | Esine | but.. |
| 11:36.25 | moocow | no metadata, how does the raid controller know ... interesting |
| 11:36.26 | Esine | it needs to mirror the data from one drive to another |
| 11:36.27 | lvh | Esine: It knows which one I pulled out. |
| 11:36.27 | moocow | not sure |
| 11:36.34 | Esine | lvh: what if you reboot in between? |
| 11:36.36 | lvh | Esine: Yes. |
| 11:36.52 | jelly | liable: I like having metadata on the disks very much. Server dies, move all disk to the new one, power on, stuff works. |
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| 11:37.15 | lvh | Esine: Data about failures is saved to nonvolatile memory. |
| 11:37.29 | lvh | Esine: On the card, not on the disks. |
| 11:37.30 | Esine | the card's memory? |
| 11:37.36 | Esine | So what happens if the card fails? |
| 11:37.53 | Esine | You can't just plugin a new one without configuring everything again |
| 11:37.55 | lvh | Esine: You rebuild the array on a different card, the card reads and compares drives. |
| 11:37.59 | liable | jelly: salt, wound, hurts. shuddup or i'll have to smite you! :) |
| 11:38.03 | lvh | Esine: Well, you can, sort of. |
| 11:38.03 | moocow | he can either boot into his drive until he gets a new card or get a new card :) |
| 11:38.37 | jelly | lvh: doesn't sound like a hw raid vendor I'd like to be using |
| 11:38.54 | lvh | jelly: I'm not telling you to use Areca -- I'm just saying I'm very happy with their products. |
| 11:39.22 | jelly | in a disaster situation, it's better if things just work |
| 11:39.36 | lvh | jelly: They do "just work", we've had disaster situations. |
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| 11:39.50 | lvh | Also, of course metadata is stored on disks for raid5. Not doing that would be silly :-) |
| 11:39.58 | jelly | lvh: you just said you had to rebuild the array |
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| 11:40.08 | bheron | Where do I get libiberty? I don't see it in the packages... |
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| 11:40.13 | lvh | jelly: That wasn't a disaster, that was a simulated disaster. |
| 11:40.21 | jelly | same thing? |
| 11:40.24 | lvh | jelly: And by rebuild, yes -- I don't see what you would otherwise do *when a drive fails*! |
| 11:40.28 | liable | !find libiberty |
| 11:40.30 | moocow | i just don't see the problem either way with raid 1 |
| 11:40.32 | lvh | That rebuild is live, by the way. |
| 11:40.46 | lvh | As in, I don't have to bring the box down, of course. |
| 11:40.57 | moocow | even if you haveto get 2 new drives and reset your raid 1, with unix you just copy all your files over and config a few files if things changed a bit and you are running |
| 11:41.03 | bheron | !find libiberty |
| 11:41.05 | jelly | lvh: oh, a misunderstanding then. I thought you had to configure the array again |
| 11:41.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libiberty' (1): (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libiberty.a) in devel/mingw32. |
| 11:41.10 | lvh | jelly: No. |
| 11:41.14 | lvh | jelly: That would be silly. |
| 11:41.19 | Esine | moocow: but how do you know which drive has the newer information? |
| 11:41.25 | lvh | Esine: You scan it. |
| 11:41.28 | jelly | lvh: then the metadata is obviously preserved |
| 11:41.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: this is really a #web question .. though in general, you don't look at cookies on the filesystem directly .. you're supposed to use the browser abilities |
| 11:41.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libiberty' (5 of 6): (/usr/lib/gdb/libiberty.a) in libdevel/libgdb-dev ;; (/usr/lib/ghdl/lib/libiberty.a) in electronics/ghdl ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libiberty.a) in devel/mingw32 ;; (/usr/lib/llvm/llvm/gcc-4.2/lib/libiberty.a) in devel/llvm-gcc-4.2 ;; (/usr/include/libiberty.h, /usr/lib/{libiberty.a|libiberty_pic.a}) in devel/binutils-dev. |
| 11:41.34 | bheron | liable, thanks. |
| 11:41.38 | lvh | jelly: There is no metadata. |
| 11:41.44 | Esine | lvh: how? Remember timestamps can be unreliable |
| 11:41.46 | lvh | jelly: For RAID1 arrays, at least. |
| 11:42.03 | lvh | Esine: Timestamps? You seem to think that RAID cards know anything about filesystems. |
| 11:42.16 | Esine | what are we talking about again |
| 11:42.21 | liable | dont ask me, my eyes started glazing over a page or two back |
| 11:42.25 | Esine | I was replying to moocow's claim of copying files |
| 11:42.39 | Esine | but you are now talking about raid cards.. and you said they don't store metadata! |
| 11:42.50 | lvh | Esine: Recovering from disastrous failure where *both* a drive and a card fails. |
| 11:43.04 | lvh | Esine: They don't store metadata on disk. Obviously they know which drive failed, and I suppose that's metadata. |
| 11:43.05 | Esine | how about just the situation where a card fails but drives are okay? |
| 11:43.06 | paxcoder | abrotman: #web guys said it's a browser question. I tend to agree. I can't look at the browser content via the browser, because as soon as I do, the cookie gets updated. And then it works fine. It's only when I'm not looking that it's not updated. |
| 11:43.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: if you're not looking .. does it matter when it gets updated? |
| 11:43.34 | lvh | Esine: You plug in a new card, you connect the four drives, and you tell it "hey, this is a mirrored array". |
| 11:43.38 | Esine | say.. lvh, for example if the raid card wrote data to disk 1 but failed before writing it to disk 2 |
| 11:43.43 | jelly | lvh: but if the card fails, and you have all the mirrored copies of a raid1 intact, do you have to rebuild anything or not? |
| 11:43.47 | Esine | lvh: how do you know which disk has the new data? |
| 11:43.48 | lvh | Esine: It then scans the drives to see what the differences are. |
| 11:43.59 | Esine | yes.. it will see they differ |
| 11:44.01 | lvh | jelly: It scans, but doesn't rebuild anything. |
| 11:44.04 | Esine | but which one is the newer, lvh? |
| 11:44.20 | abrotman | paxcoder: if you want to change it via the filesystem, change it that way .. if you want to change it as a cookie do it that way .. i would'nt rty to do it both ways at the same time |
| 11:44.21 | paxcoder | abrotman: no, it doesn't matter WHEN, but it matters IF. |
| 11:44.22 | Esine | Should it mirror disk1 to disk2 or vice versa? |
| 11:44.29 | jelly | lvh: so it only does an extra read verification pass, and the metadata is preserved. |
| 11:44.35 | lvh | Esine: You can't really know that. How do you suggest you know that in any setup? |
| 11:44.46 | paxcoder | abrotman: the problem is that it doesn't get written to the file, even when I close the browser. |
| 11:44.47 | Esine | with metadata, a counter |
| 11:44.47 | lvh | jelly: Which metadata? |
| 11:44.55 | Esine | increase a counter everytime something gets written |
| 11:45.01 | Esine | then you always know what is the latest data |
| 11:45.07 | lvh | Esine: Do you know of any real implementations of this technology that work when cards fail? |
| 11:45.08 | jelly | lvh: which disks belong to that raid1 |
| 11:45.26 | lvh | jelly: That isn't stored on the disks, it's on the card. |
| 11:45.26 | Esine | no I don't I am afraid, I don't have too much real experience with them, lvh :( |
| 11:45.30 | abrotman | paxcoder: but at some piont later ? |
| 11:45.35 | paxcoder | abrotman: the browser seems to only write it if I: (1) wait for it (2) look at the cookie from the browser |
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| 11:45.37 | lvh | Esine: Yes, because I can tell you right now how much that won't work. |
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| 11:45.40 | jelly | lvh: we discussed the situation when card died |
| 11:46.08 | lvh | jelly: Yes. Metadata is lost in the case of RAID1 -- but that's okay, it was pretty easy anyway. |
| 11:46.13 | Esine | sorry, I didn't mean to attack you lvh, just trying to think of the possible scenarios and how to avoid them. |
| 11:46.14 | mjt | what i found good about linux raid is that you can use any combination of devices. For example, we had one scsi drive failure and had no replacement drive immediately at hand. so we used an ide drive temporarily... |
| 11:46.19 | jelly | lvh: if it were _only_ on the card, then a new card wouldn't be able to detect the parts of an raid1 |
| 11:46.26 | jelly | lvh: is that the case? |
| 11:46.29 | mjt | even extenral usb drive will work |
| 11:46.29 | paxcoder | abrotman: But if I close the browser and reopen it, I expect the cookie to be usable (have new content), which it doesn't if I didn't do (1) or (2) |
| 11:46.30 | lvh | Esine: You can never entirely prevent disastrous failure. You can only recover gracefully. |
| 11:46.32 | abrotman | paxcoder: how many browsers have you checked with ? |
| 11:46.41 | abrotman | paxcoder: have you tried "sync" ? |
| 11:46.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: epiphany as well. It seems to work with it. |
| 11:46.46 | paxcoder | sync? |
| 11:46.58 | lvh | Esine: Gracefully usually means "pretend some data doesnt exist" -- and this responsibility is commonly on the filesystem, not the raid array. |
| 11:46.58 | abrotman | try a non-gecko based one .. see if it's the same |
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| 11:47.10 | lvh | jelly: Correct, you need to tell it that those 4 disks are a raid1 array. |
| 11:47.13 | g00se | What's that command that runs another in a loop? |
| 11:47.15 | lvh | jelly: But it can *guess*. |
| 11:47.20 | lvh | jelly: It guesses by scanning the drives. |
| 11:47.25 | paxcoder | abrotman: I'm saying it works with epiphany, only Iceweasel isn't working as expected |
| 11:47.31 | moocow | heh, this should peak some peoples interest here ... the raid arrays are hosting fat32 partitions |
| 11:47.33 | moocow | lol |
| 11:47.35 | lvh | jelly: If they all contain the same data, you could treat them as if they were a raid one array. |
| 11:47.41 | lvh | moocow: Disgusting. |
| 11:47.53 | lvh | jelly: So it doesn't really matter if they were originally a raid1 array or not. |
| 11:47.54 | moocow | i wonder if i can format in ntfs safely ... hmmm |
| 11:48.08 | jelly | lvh: so you have to wait for the whole-disk scan to finish for it to guess it might be a raid1? |
| 11:48.09 | lvh | Esine: This is why we have journalling FSes :-) |
| 11:48.17 | lvh | jelly: Or you could *tell* it that it's raid1. |
| 11:48.23 | Esine | I still don't understand lvh. Say disk1 contains "abcd" and disk2 contains "abjd". The raid controller notices the difference c<->j. Will it ask you which hdd's contents to use? |
| 11:48.30 | abrotman | paxcoder: have you checked your prefs.js (or whatever) .. maybe there's an option to do that .. i've never seen what you're describing before |
| 11:48.31 | lvh | jelly: either way, in the case of disastrous card failure, I'd say that a full disk scan is *very* acceptable. |
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| 11:48.38 | Esine | But then, how would YOU know which one is newer? |
| 11:48.46 | paxcoder | abrotman: and the problem is that it only doesn't work for my app && in Iceweasel. |
| 11:48.47 | lvh | Esine: |
| 11:48.53 | paxcoder | abrotman: dunno what that is. |
| 11:48.59 | jelly | lvh: it strikes me as silly |
| 11:49.01 | lvh | Esine: It picks one based on how many agree. |
| 11:49.11 | lvh | Esine: If it doesn't end up being sensible, the filesystem will do it. |
| 11:49.19 | lvh | jelly: What is silly? |
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| 11:49.28 | lvh | jelly: Checking if your disks still make sense after disastrous card failure? |
| 11:49.31 | jelly | lvh: not having metadata on disk |
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| 11:49.33 | paxcoder | I'd say it's a bug, but since it doesn't do it with, say Youtube, I can't be sure (however, I remember it did log me out few times, after I logged into Youtube with "remember me" option) |
| 11:49.34 | Esine | Hm I guess that would work on multiple hard drive redundancy |
| 11:49.40 | Esine | like 3 hdd raid1 |
| 11:49.46 | jelly | lvh: having to do a full data scan to guess a previous raid1 |
| 11:49.56 | paxcoder | but lately, just my app :-( |
| 11:50.03 | lvh | jelly: How do you know that in the 10 seconds before your card failed, it didn't start spewing lots of crap on one of your drives? |
| 11:50.16 | lvh | jelly: You don't *have* to. You can tell it that "hey, these four disks are raid1". |
| 11:50.31 | jelly | lvh: yeah, I don't want to have to tell it so |
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| 11:50.43 | lvh | jelly: You can do that too. |
| 11:50.46 | jelly | _that's_ what I find silly |
| 11:51.00 | Esine | But lvh storing metadata would solve all these problems, would it not? |
| 11:51.02 | lvh | jelly: Most people don't do it. I don't, and it has saved my ass at least once. |
| 11:51.05 | lvh | Esine: No. |
| 11:51.08 | lvh | Esine: It would not, at all. |
| 11:51.20 | jelly | I guess they have a reason for doing it that way only for raid1 |
| 11:51.28 | lvh | Esine: Unless you and I have different opinion on what "metadata" means. |
| 11:51.32 | jelly | but it logic escapes me at persent |
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| 11:51.48 | unomystEz | can anyone recommend a good lightweight smtpd? |
| 11:51.50 | lvh | jelly: The ability to take any one of those disks out of the array and into another one, and recover. |
| 11:51.59 | unomystEz | lighter than postfix, qmail, sendmail, etc.. |
| 11:52.15 | lvh | jelly: There is nothing special about those disks. Suppose the card fails, and the replacement is missing. |
| 11:52.23 | lvh | I can put it in any box that understands SATA, and get to the data. |
| 11:52.32 | Esine | lvh: metadata could contain.. for example an uuid that is shared between all the drives in a raid array |
| 11:52.44 | jelly | lvh: oh, that's a plus. |
| 11:52.45 | Esine | then it could automatically detect which drives belong to the same array |
| 11:53.04 | lvh | Esine: Okay, sure. I thought the problem you were talking about was "how do we know the drive that was touched last". |
| 11:53.14 | scream_ | unomystEz, esmtp. it can't be considered full fledged MTA though |
| 11:53.16 | Esine | oh, well that one as well |
| 11:53.24 | unomystEz | scream_: thanks |
| 11:53.25 | lvh | Esine: You *can* do that just fine, but then you have to live with the proprietary format. |
| 11:53.25 | Esine | hm |
| 11:53.35 | themill | paxcoder: is this marked as a session cookie? (i.e. what expiration date do you set on it?) |
| 11:53.43 | Esine | lvh: yes, again coming to the problem with hardware raid.. |
| 11:54.03 | lvh | Esine: Also, I know at least one iSCSI hardware bit that stores metadata in actual partitions. |
| 11:54.15 | lvh | This way, it is *not* a proprietary format. |
| 11:54.15 | Esine | in partitions? really |
| 11:54.26 | lvh | well, yes it is, of course |
| 11:54.38 | lvh | but i mean you dont need to have that particular card to be able to recover data. |
| 11:54.42 | liable | !be a raid barbie |
| 11:54.42 | dpkg | Aww, raid is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
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| 11:55.02 | jelly | except when it's softraid. |
| 11:55.06 | unomystEz | scream_: it can be used to listen on a TCP port SSL/TLS so Thunderbird can send mail to it for my various domains? |
| 11:55.20 | liable | there are drugs to make your raid hard these days |
| 11:55.25 | lvh | jelly: I don't understand that statement. I was talking about iSCSI raid hardware :-) |
| 11:55.40 | jelly | <dpkg> Aww, raid is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable <jelly> except when it's softraid. |
| 11:55.43 | scream_ | unomystEz, no. http://esmtp.sourceforge.net/features.html |
| 11:55.51 | lvh | jelly: Oh, lol, sorry. |
| 11:55.54 | unomystEz | scream_: ok |
| 11:56.02 | lvh | Esine: Also, all decent raid hardware will come with recovery software. |
| 11:56.04 | unomystEz | scream_: I have 50 domains that I wish to setup SMTP for |
| 11:56.10 | Esine | lvh: that would be good.. |
| 11:56.21 | Esine | I mean it is good |
| 11:56.35 | lvh | Esine: Similarly, I don't think that anyone using, say, FreeBSD or OpenBSD will be so happy when they have to recover your non-proprietary raid format. |
| 11:56.51 | lvh | Esine: You're still tying yourself in to one platform, it's just a different (and arguably slightly better) platform. |
| 11:56.52 | abrotman | paxcoder: i've really not seen this .. but i'm not doing what you're trying to do either |
| 11:57.06 | abrotman | paxcoder: is there a backend scripting language ? |
| 11:57.17 | scream_ | unomystEz, then you need a normal MTA. qmail, postfix, sendmail, exim. choose the one you like most |
| 11:57.26 | unomystEz | ok |
| 11:57.31 | paxcoder | abrotman: I'm using php. |
| 11:57.35 | unomystEz | suppose there isn't anything lighter than.. |
| 11:57.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: if you want, I can give you my code as a test case. |
| 11:57.48 | paxcoder | It's GPL3 ;-) |
| 11:57.55 | lvh | Esine: Long story short: please don't wail on hardware raid without having seen how real hardware raid works. It's better than you think. |
| 11:58.02 | abrotman | paxcoder: i've used PHP to manage cookies .. not seen your issue |
| 11:58.15 | lvh | But I have an even better solution. Don't use hardware raid. Use cheap junk drives. Single drive per box. |
| 11:58.19 | Esine | hum. Yes it is true I have not had any disasters happen |
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| 11:58.31 | jelly | unomystEz: lighter MTA... for 50 domains?? |
| 11:58.33 | Esine | but our production hardware runs on hardware raid |
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| 11:58.44 | paxcoder | themill: my cookies' expiration dates are always set 31 days in the future. |
| 11:58.50 | themill | paxcoder: are you using the session_* functions for this? |
| 11:58.53 | lvh | Esine: What horrible hardware raid do you have that doesnt come with recovery software? |
| 11:58.59 | paxcoder | themill: yes. |
| 11:59.10 | Esine | we have Dell PERC6/i and PERC5s |
| 11:59.19 | jelly | unomystEz: you can pay someone to set it up, that's lighter on your time spent but heavier on your pocket |
| 11:59.19 | themill | paxcoder: works for me without any issues... Are you *sure* you're setting the right expiry date? |
| 11:59.22 | lvh | Handling redudancy works fine on an application level. |
| 11:59.26 | lvh | Yaaay, scalaris! |
| 11:59.28 | paxcoder | abrotman: as I have said, I can give you my code if you want |
| 11:59.31 | foo-nix | after runnign kommute I got this error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found I googled the issue, but failed to fully understand it. Is this a link error in the gcc compiler itself? |
| 11:59.33 | Esine | Maybe they do come with recovery software -- I had not just known that. They were setup before my time |
| 11:59.35 | paxcoder | themill: as I've said, it works on occasion. |
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| 12:00.02 | themill | paxcoder: and the right domain name and base path? |
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| 12:00.25 | paxcoder | themill: once I check it via the browser, both name, data, and expiration date are fine. |
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| 12:00.57 | lvh | Esine: Well, those are pretty cheap cards. You get what you pay for. But I can't imagine that they dont come with recovery software. |
| 12:01.02 | lvh | Esine: So what's so bad about them again? |
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| 12:01.20 | Esine | I would not know that since there has not been any problems :) |
| 12:01.22 | Esine | BUT |
| 12:01.37 | lvh | Assuming you're not using RAID5. RAID5 is silly. Yay RAID10! |
| 12:01.40 | Esine | We have one raid card we only have one of.. and if that failed, we'd need to find a similar card |
| 12:01.46 | Esine | it is quite an old one not sure if dell sells them anymore |
| 12:01.47 | lvh | The number is twice as high, it must be twice as good. |
| 12:01.52 | Esine | of course there are backups, but.. |
| 12:02.06 | Esine | they're RAID1 |
| 12:02.17 | lvh | Esine: Backups, redudant cards, and recovery software. |
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| 12:02.30 | Esine | redudant cards would be nice, of course |
| 12:02.51 | lvh | Why is your data managed by a single card with no redundancy |
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| 12:03.01 | Esine | hey it's not like I set this up :( |
| 12:03.23 | lvh | so fix it already |
| 12:03.25 | Esine | it's what comes with (entrylevel?) Dell 1950s, 26650s, etc. |
| 12:03.27 | lvh | software raid is fine for raid1 |
| 12:04.49 | lvh | Esine: especially when compared to shitty entry level raid cards |
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| 12:05.12 | lvh | Esine: I was talking about serious hardware (areca 1680ix-24 to be precise) |
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| 12:05.51 | Esine | lvh: Imagine a beefy file/diskserver. Is there any reason to use hardware raid vs software raid, other than the possibly poor throughoutput of the mothetboard controller? |
| 12:06.12 | Esine | of course you can use the raid controllers without setting up raid, but then it's just a sas/scsi controller.. |
| 12:06.14 | lvh | Esine: is it dedicated to just file and disk? |
| 12:06.16 | Esine | yes |
| 12:06.18 | paxcoder | abrotman: themill: here's the code if you care to take a look at it: http://pastebin.com/d309a8409 If you want, I can modify it so you can use it (it needs a login form, function_caller needs to return non-false value to log in etc.). last echo is debug output |
| 12:06.21 | Esine | with no other cpu usage |
| 12:06.43 | lvh | Esine: software raid 10 is probably all-right, but only if you have an identical redundant box ready to take over. |
| 12:06.53 | poncha|work | i need to change virtual ip that heartbeat manages. do i need to shutdown heartbeat completely for that (and consequently bring all the services it manages down) or maybe theres a way to reload only specific service? |
| 12:06.53 | lvh | We talked about raid cards blowing up, well, motherboards fry too. |
| 12:07.16 | Esine | yes, hence software raid when you can plug the disks into another machine directly |
| 12:07.20 | Esine | hum |
| 12:07.45 | themill | paxcoder: btw this might be more useful than grepping your disk: http://pastebin.com/m6f0db27 |
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| 12:07.47 | lvh | Esine: That argument works for hardware raid just the same. |
| 12:08.02 | Esine | lvh: But only if you use the same hardware controller for all servers |
| 12:08.13 | lvh | Esine: You're still tying yourself in to a platform -- the only difference is that it's a platform you like slightly better. |
| 12:08.16 | abrotman | paxcoder: the cookie path that themill is talking about is set in the php.ini |
| 12:08.16 | lvh | Esine: Nope. |
| 12:08.23 | Esine | otherwise you will have more downtime copying them with your recovery software.. |
| 12:08.37 | Esine | enlighten me, please |
| 12:08.43 | lvh | Esine: I can pull out SATA disks on this live array and plug it into the device next to it (but I won't because then it'll start replicating) |
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| 12:08.45 | poncha|work | er, i didnt see a single raid card fail in ~8 years of running servers for my company ;) is raid card burnout so common? |
| 12:09.04 | Esine | lvh: what if you need to move the whole array? |
| 12:09.12 | poncha|work | lvh: SATA ?? in servers?? |
| 12:09.14 | lvh | Esine: Then I pull all of them out. |
| 12:09.17 | paxcoder | themill: thanks. i'm not sure that'll help in my case, but realtime cookie inspection is more useful. |
| 12:09.18 | abrotman | has this gone beyond #debian .... |
| 12:09.27 | lvh | poncha|work: We have SAS too. |
| 12:09.31 | themill | paxcoder: you don't need to setcookie() when you are already using sessions |
| 12:09.34 | Esine | but how could the other controller read those drives, lvh? |
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| 12:09.43 | paxcoder | themill: what do you mean? |
| 12:09.59 | lvh | Esine: All of Areca's Intel IOP348 cards use the same on-disk format. |
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| 12:10.16 | Esine | what if you have some LSIs, some Areca, some A |
| 12:10.21 | Esine | Adaptec |
| 12:10.21 | abrotman | moves Esine and lvh to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:10.23 | lvh | Esine: You do not need the same model. You do not even need the same family. You need a card that's roughtly the same thing. |
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| 12:10.42 | themill | paxcoder: look at session_set_cookie_params() for expiry etc and you just poke extra variables into $_SESSION[] otherwise |
| 12:10.46 | Esine | lvh: it is not uncommon to have totally different controllers |
| 12:10.47 | moocow | mornin streuner |
| 12:10.54 | lvh | Esine: #debian-offtopic |
| 12:10.58 | Esine | ok :( |
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| 12:12.09 | streuner | hi |
| 12:12.54 | paxcoder | themill: is still don't understand. I use a non-session cookie. I'm just using session_id for its hash (also stored in the database)? |
| 12:13.08 | themill | paxcoder: you don't need both |
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| 12:14.01 | paxcoder | themill: you mean I can make the session cookie longer than a session? |
| 12:14.22 | paxcoder | that'd require a thorough redesign of the code... |
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| 12:14.28 | abrotman | paxcoder: the php.ini lets you set how long til the session stuff expires .. i think there's a 0 for never |
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| 12:14.37 | themill | abstraction! |
| 12:14.37 | poncha|work | paxcoder: session_id dies with session... if you're mixing session_id with the remember_me thing you looked for earlier - then once session is dead your rememberme will pass away too because you dont have same session id anymore |
| 12:15.11 | paxcoder | poncha|work: the hash is checked against a database |
| 12:15.32 | paxcoder | (hash stored in the cookie) |
| 12:15.52 | poncha|work | only the hash? |
| 12:16.00 | paxcoder | well username as well |
| 12:16.15 | poncha|work | its possible to hijack your session |
| 12:16.18 | paxcoder | poncha|work: i'm not that naive :-) |
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| 12:16.22 | ehird | I'm installing woody on a machine (yes, woody â long story. I will be upgrading it immediately.) â on floppies. I assume a regular netinstall won't work, because it's been archived? |
| 12:16.30 | ehird | Is there still a way to do a netinstall or will I have to get a cdrom? |
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| 12:16.42 | paxcoder | poncha|work: I know. I'll worry about that after I fix it. |
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| 12:16.53 | paxcoder | (different hash than the session_id for example) |
| 12:17.03 | paxcoder | poncha|work: did you see my code? |
| 12:17.06 | poncha|work | no |
| 12:17.17 | poncha|work | btw you're in #debian now, you reckon? :) |
| 12:17.17 | paxcoder | poncha|work: http://pastebin.com/d309a8409 |
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| 12:17.41 | paxcoder | poncha|work: I still believe Iceweasel is to blame. |
| 12:17.45 | paxcoder | (at least in part) |
| 12:17.51 | abrotman | ehird: you can do a disconnected netinst ... then change the mirrors to archive.debian.org (see the site for details), then go to sarge->etch->lenny .. |
| 12:18.04 | paxcoder | invites poncha|work to continue in ##php |
| 12:18.18 | ehird | abrotman: "Disconnected netinst"? You mean like over a local network? Anyway, yeah, I plan to go â sarge â etch â lenny â testing. |
| 12:18.20 | themill | poncha|work: I think we'd have noticed by now if iceweasel didn't do php's session stuff properly. |
| 12:18.27 | ehird | But alas, this is the only installation media so far that has worked. |
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| 12:18.49 | paxcoder | themill: it can always be a recent update. |
| 12:19.02 | abrotman | ehird: no .. just drop the CD in .. pull the network cable .. setup the network later, change your mirrors .. and away you go! |
| 12:19.06 | paxcoder | i mean it works if I LOOK at the cookie, what's up with that? |
| 12:19.14 | themill | paxcoder: which version of iceweasel is this? |
| 12:19.24 | ehird | abrotman: Er, what does that do that a regular netinst doesn't? |
| 12:19.32 | ehird | I gather that the archive server works as a netinst source, then? |
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| 12:19.43 | paxcoder | themill: (testing) about says: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009061208 Iceweasel/3.0.9 (Debian-3.0.9-1) |
| 12:19.45 | poncha|work | themill: i'm not into iceweasel, dont even know what it is ;) so i cant really blame it or say its innocent for sure ;) |
| 12:20.02 | paxcoder | it works well in epiphany. |
| 12:20.03 | abrotman | ehird: the regular netinst would try to setup your mirror and try to download software .. the woody mirrors are gone (from what the netinst knows) .. so it might complain |
| 12:20.15 | ehird | hmm |
| 12:20.20 | ehird | I'm not sure what you say I should do instead? |
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| 12:20.45 | hanshans | hi all! i have a question about building debian packages: when, and especially with which parameter(configure/abort-upgrade/abort-remove...) are the {post,pre}{inst,rm} scripts called? |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | ehird: just pull the network cable so the netinst doesn't try to setup the network |
| 12:21.06 | poncha|work | paxcoder: (1) you are saving username + sessid inside a cookie. why duplicate the info? |
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| 12:21.08 | nachos | hello |
| 12:21.15 | ehird | abrotman: won't that just terminate with "Hey⦠I can't download anything. I'm just a floppy!"? |
| 12:21.26 | paxcoder | poncha|work: what's duplicated? you mean from the session? |
| 12:21.31 | abrotman | ehird: sorry .. missed the floppy bit |
| 12:21.41 | abrotman | ehird: you have no CD in this machine ? |
| 12:21.41 | themill | dpkg: tell hanshans about pkg scripts |
| 12:21.56 | ehird | abrotman: I do, but it cannot boot from it. |
| 12:22.05 | ehird | It's an Old World PPC Power Macintosh. |
| 12:22.06 | poncha|work | paxcoder: yes |
| 12:22.11 | abrotman | ehird: that's okay .. it should ask you for the CD if you want to use it |
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| 12:22.21 | ehird | abrotman: Yeah, I was thinkin' I should burn a CD |
| 12:22.24 | paxcoder | i just did it already. it's harde to change |
| 12:22.27 | abrotman | ehird: if you can manually enter your own source instead of choosing from a list, you'll be fine |
| 12:22.27 | ehird | But I was wondering if netinstall would work too. |
| 12:22.40 | ehird | I won't risk it; I'll just use a CD. |
| 12:23.03 | abrotman | ehird: check that first .. because you'll need to tell the floppies that the packages are now at archive.debian.org/debian woody main |
| 12:23.13 | ehird | OK, I'll try the netinst. |
| 12:23.34 | paxcoder | poncha|work: themill: abrotman: lunch, see you all later :-/ |
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| 12:24.46 | hanshans | themill: thx 4 te info, but i have no permission to access the link... :( |
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| 12:26.32 | themill | dpkg, pkg scripts =~ s,http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/MaintainerScripts,http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts, |
| 12:26.32 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 12:26.44 | themill | hanshans: try http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts instead. |
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| 12:27.42 | nachos | my keyboard layout is wrong, everytime i press \ it comes up with a # is this to do with locales? |
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| 12:29.28 | themill | dpkg, tell debian-women about cool uris don't change |
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| 12:30.40 | ehird | abrotman: the netinstall works just fine! |
| 12:30.42 | ehird | :) |
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| 12:30.50 | jelly | !keymap |
| 12:30.50 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 12:30.52 | abrotman | ehird: did it let you enter your own source line ? |
| 12:30.56 | ehird | abrotman: yep |
| 12:30.59 | ehird | it already had archive. though |
| 12:31.03 | ehird | I just removed http.us. |
| 12:31.06 | ehird | just in case |
| 12:31.12 | ehird | anyway i actually made floppies out of those .bin files, how stupid am I? |
| 12:31.14 | jelly | nachos: X or console? |
| 12:31.17 | ehird | didn't realise they were things to download. |
| 12:31.17 | abrotman | ehird: i'm not sure current installers let you do that .. but i thought i'd remembered it being possible |
| 12:31.23 | nachos | jelly: console |
| 12:31.39 | jelly | nachos: does "loadkeys us" help? |
| 12:31.58 | nachos | jelly: that did the trick, thanks. |
| 12:32.05 | mjt | i wonder if xmodmap is still relevant... |
| 12:32.07 | nachos | jelly: how can i set that perminatley |
| 12:32.10 | hanshans | themill: thx a lot, that's exactly what i need! |
| 12:32.15 | jelly | nachos: read what dpkg said, above |
| 12:32.49 | nachos | all done, thanks team! |
| 12:33.10 | ehird | Wow, it's asking me what kernel driver modules to load. Debian's never doen that to me :) |
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| 12:36.35 | paxcoder | themill: your code just prints "exported: NR" |
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| 12:37.14 | paxcoder | paxcoder: i think it counts cookies given a host |
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| 12:37.52 | abrotman | ehird: the whole installer used to be much more manual .. that's how debian got a reputation (undeserved IMO) for being difficult to install |
| 12:37.52 | ehird | abrotman: yep⦠|
| 12:37.52 | paxcoder | *themill |
| 12:37.52 | ehird | i needed exactly 0 of those drivers :) |
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| 12:39.30 | moocow | i've always been surprised by the debian behing hard to install / use |
| 12:39.36 | moocow | its absolutely the easiest of all distros |
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| 12:39.57 | moocow | i hit every branch on the way down ... the last distro i found was debian and stuck because it really was easy |
| 12:40.01 | ehird | â¦well, ubuntu does streamline the process a bit, you've gotta admit⦠:) |
| 12:40.09 | abrotman | moocow: get a slink CD and a 486 with an ISA ethernet card .. |
| 12:40.10 | ehird | although with lenny, much less so |
| 12:40.12 | busfahrer | Excuse me, when a cronjob fails, you get a mail. How do you change the mail adress for that user to an external email address? |
| 12:40.35 | jelly | busfahrer: man 5 crontab ... the MAILTO variable |
| 12:40.40 | paissad-hp | hi al |
| 12:40.42 | paissad-hp | all* |
| 12:40.57 | moocow | abrotman: heh, perhaps i simply had luck with hardware combos |
| 12:40.59 | moocow | good point |
| 12:41.16 | themill | paxcoder: it creates a cookies.txt file. You'll have to read (and customise) that code yourself... I just use if for feeding cookies to wget if/when needed |
| 12:41.47 | moocow | yey, 500 gig sync between drives. 2 hour wait. |
| 12:42.02 | paissad-hp | when i go to xfce menu, settings and applications started automatically, i added "/usr/bin/emerald --replace &" but, when i disconnect and reconnect, or after a startup, emerald does not run, i have to run it by the console and it does work |
| 12:42.05 | paissad-hp | what's going wrong ? |
| 12:42.14 | paissad-hp | it's the same case for wifi-radar |
| 12:42.19 | paxcoder | themill: python and perl are like the only popular things I don't know :-D |
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| 12:42.36 | jelly | moocow: you have fast disks. |
| 12:42.51 | paissad-hp | i use xfce4 desktop manager |
| 12:42.53 | themill | paxcoder: you'd be better to learn them than php... |
| 12:43.41 | paissad-hp | btw, there are some others apps which start automatically, such as fusion-icon, yakuake |
| 12:43.53 | busfahrer | jelly: Cheers |
| 12:43.58 | paissad-hp | i don't know why this does not work for emerald and wifi-radar :-( |
| 12:44.21 | paxcoder | i have no great desire to learn perl. I will learn python eventually (it's a long story why I don't already know it). I started using php years ago, so... |
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| 12:46.13 | mjt | "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." when i run any gnome system config applet. From any user, even pure root. How to fix? |
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| 12:47.00 | hanibana | hi hi hi |
| 12:47.03 | hanibana | :) |
| 12:47.10 | mjt | found this -- http://markmail.org/message/dlrvhdwktdjqn5s3 -- but it doesn't help either |
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| 12:47.59 | moocow | mjt: weird. the thing about the gnome applet is that it starts up a ton of other aps |
| 12:48.18 | moocow | so if you are running it via sudo, it may not be able to start the others without proper additional sudo rules |
| 12:48.19 | mjt | moocow: it's sysconfig applet, it's separate thing |
| 12:48.28 | moocow | you mean you cant run it logged in purely as root? |
| 12:48.34 | mjt | i tried pure-root X session too |
| 12:48.38 | hanibana | I did set the ftp.us.debian.org Debian mirror when installing Debian Etch through first official CD, but I see the GPG error in the log (Alt+F4 console.) Why ? |
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| 12:48.39 | mjt | ues |
| 12:48.49 | moocow | wow. thats beyond me |
| 12:49.05 | themill | hanibana: that's a pretty old CD you've got there then |
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| 12:49.38 | abrotman | hanibana: you need to get the updated debian-archive-keyring |
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| 12:50.56 | paxcoder | themill: i don't think perl is more important than php, especially if you know bash or php |
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| 12:51.04 | paxcoder | *or pyhton |
| 12:51.22 | hanibana | abrotman: and should I put that key into CD ?! or what? |
| 12:51.36 | hanibana | abrotman: download recent CD ? |
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| 12:56.05 | pingouin | wich user/group can replace nobody on debian ? i got a openvpn setting, that say to add at the end of config file, user nobody group nobody to drop the root privilege after initialization |
| 12:56.42 | asg | pingouin: just create your own openvpn user and group and use that instead. |
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| 12:57.49 | DTal | pingouin: Hey, I recognise you from OpenArena. Wotcha. |
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| 12:58.06 | Selveste1 | is it possible to upgrade from i386 to amd64 with out reinstalling lenny ? caus I have changed hardware but same hdd and there for same OS ? |
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| 12:58.31 | jelly | Selveste1: not really. |
| 12:58.43 | pingouin | DTal: openArena ? sorry mistake surely |
| 12:58.47 | themill | Selveste1: you'll have to first write the multiarch patches yourself. /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 12:59.07 | themill | Selveste1: but at the same time, you can very happily run the i386 stuff on that hardware. (I do) |
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| 12:59.18 | cusco__ | hi |
| 12:59.19 | DTal | pingouin: Oops, sorry. Someone by your name plays multiplayer a fair bit. |
| 12:59.20 | pingouin | asg: ok i try that , it's a "normal" user |
| 12:59.34 | Selveste1 | jelly :) okay - thanx - I think i will stick with to i386 packages then |
| 12:59.36 | pingouin | DTal: sure, it's common nickname |
| 13:00.04 | Selveste1 | and themill - i know its running perfectly at the moment :) |
| 13:00.06 | cusco__ | I am about to implement a proxy server for our network computers... can they have proxy settings configured at /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:00.13 | cusco__ | or what is the best way to set it |
| 13:00.15 | DTal | pingouin: it is? silly me |
| 13:00.31 | pingouin | :) |
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| 13:00.50 | pingouin | DTal: by the way, i dont play openArena, but ETQW ;) |
| 13:00.52 | jelly | Selveste1: you could save some disk space, make a new amd64 installation and do a /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 13:02.12 | pingouin | someone would be kind enough to tell dpkg to tell me aptitude clone ? |
| 13:02.19 | pingouin | dpkg never answer to me |
| 13:02.46 | hanibana | themill: so you mean I should re-download Debian Etch CD? |
| 13:02.51 | pingouin | and i'm testing a amd64 lenny on another disk, to remove my Debian Etch soon , if this can spare me time |
| 13:03.02 | nsadmin | !aptitude clone |
| 13:03.02 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 13:03.03 | themill | hanibana: why are you installing etch anyway? |
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| 13:03.11 | Selveste1 | jelly: dos aptitude clone make a copy of my packages list, and on the "new" install, install the packages from that list ? |
| 13:03.11 | nsadmin | you mean that? |
| 13:03.20 | pingouin | thanks jelly |
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| 13:03.49 | pingouin | yeah nsadmin thanks |
| 13:03.52 | jelly | Selveste1: yes. |
| 13:03.57 | pingouin | cool |
| 13:04.10 | hanibana | themill: for many reasons... we have Software and hardware that works only with Etch.... |
| 13:04.14 | pingouin | it's work between etch 32 bits to an lenny amd64 ? |
| 13:04.21 | BubbaT | I wiped my debian and was going to reinstall. Problem was that I screwed grub so I went to reinstall my XP boot partition and woulnd up aciddentally reinstalling XP. No biggie I was about to reinstall XP, but before I reinstall debian, I would like a technique of backing up my boot sector which can use a liveCD to restore. |
| 13:04.26 | Selveste1 | jelly - nice I will deferentially look into that then :) |
| 13:04.44 | themill | hanibana: this isn't a good situation... etch only has another 6 or so months of security support. Now is the time to be planning your upgrade to lenny. |
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| 13:04.51 | nsadmin | pingouin: if youre not on a channel dpkg is also on, dpkg will not answer msgs |
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| 13:05.23 | pingouin | i am on channel...i guess |
| 13:05.30 | hanibana | themill: I agree with you... but its about a big company, not me. |
| 13:05.34 | pingouin | i dont know why it never answer me |
| 13:05.54 | themill | hanibana: feel free to borrow our cluebat and use it on your colleagues. |
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| 13:05.56 | valdyn | BubbaT: dd if=/dev/sda of=backup.file bs=512 count=1 |
| 13:06.04 | nsadmin | if you're here, you definitely are here |
| 13:06.11 | valdyn | BubbaT: that gets a little more than just the boot sector |
| 13:06.17 | hanibana | themill: what's that thing?! |
| 13:06.19 | themill | hanibana: you either need to upgrade the debian-archive-keyring package or get a newer netinst |
| 13:06.25 | Selveste1 | is it possible to exclude some packages, cause I don't need X any-more for instance |
| 13:06.26 | themill | !cluebat hanibana |
| 13:06.26 | dpkg | beats hanibana with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 2! The Debian Installation Guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 13:06.27 | nsadmin | hmm, err, that kinda goes without saying :) |
| 13:06.52 | Selveste1 | jelly - is it possible to exclude some packages, cause I don't need X any-more for instance |
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| 13:07.08 | poncha|work | how/where can i find why heartbeat isnt loading resources listed in haresources ? |
| 13:07.34 | themill | Selveste1: just edit the file that it produces |
| 13:07.37 | poncha|work | oh |
| 13:07.38 | poncha|work | nevermind |
| 13:07.49 | Selveste1 | themill: nice :) |
| 13:07.53 | poncha|work | it just waited several minutes before resource acquisition o_O |
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| 13:08.07 | hanibana | themill: the first solution: downloading new keyring... but, I have a CD... how will i get it work ? |
| 13:08.13 | freak_ | hi |
| 13:08.26 | nsadmin | !info heartbeat |
| 13:08.29 | dpkg | heartbeat: (Subsystem for High-Availability Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.4-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1531 kB, Installed size: 5232 kB |
| 13:08.50 | jelly | Selveste1: did you read what dpkg said? You create a file on the original machine. After that, you can easily edit the result file before applying on the new machine. |
| 13:09.05 | freak_ | i have problem with grub ... i have debian on /dev/hdb but i need to set root hd0 to boot it ... and how i supose to boot windows from hda if hd0 = hdb ? |
| 13:09.12 | jelly | slow jelly is slow |
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| 13:10.45 | Selveste1 | jelly: Yes I did read what dpkg said, but sins I haven't created the file yet, I couldn't tell if it was some binary thing ore text-based |
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| 13:11.06 | themill | tias! |
| 13:11.08 | jelly | Selveste1: "try it and see" |
| 13:11.30 | nachos | my terminal keeps on printing squares in certain manpages, how can i fix this? |
| 13:11.37 | nachos | my $TERM is linux |
| 13:11.46 | nsadmin | not "thanks in AdvanSe"? |
| 13:11.47 | nachos | and i dunno how to change the font |
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| 13:12.24 | nsadmin | nachos: so that's the text console |
| 13:12.28 | jelly | nachos: your console might be utf-8 incapable at the same time your locales are. Does it happen if you LANG=C man something? |
| 13:13.06 | nachos | yeah that fixes it |
| 13:13.07 | nachos | thanks |
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| 13:13.21 | peterrooney | Selveste1: I can't imagine -any- configuration file on a debian system being binary instead of text. |
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| 13:13.24 | nachos | how can i get back into the configuration wizard/dialog to set C as my locale? |
| 13:13.26 | hanibana | thanks themill bye. |
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| 13:13.31 | jelly | !locale |
| 13:13.31 | dpkg | locale is, like, set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 13:14.08 | jelly | nachos: C is the same as POSIX, if that's one of the choices. I don't remember. |
| 13:14.28 | Selveste1 | peterrooney: Hmm no - but it could happen ^^ |
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| 13:14.54 | magyar | g'morning people |
| 13:15.17 | nachos | jelly: C doesnt appear as a locale, neither does POSIX |
| 13:16.02 | magyar | what would these dmesg lines indicate? >> http://pastebin.ca/1511018 |
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| 13:16.36 | nsadmin | that dmesg produces text output? :) |
| 13:16.41 | valdyn | nachos: C just means that the strings in the code are taken, for all i know |
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| 13:17.00 | magyar | hda: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache |
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| 13:18.22 | nachos | ive just done a fresh install of deb and im about to leave it to update overnight, im just wondering what are some essential packages ill need? |
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| 13:18.50 | nachos | pretty dumb question since i didnt tell u what i want to do with it |
| 13:19.09 | nsadmin | nachos, overnight? why? |
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| 13:19.21 | nachos | internet connection = SLOW |
| 13:19.42 | nsadmin | you could use -d to download them, then again without -d when you're up again |
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| 13:20.58 | nsadmin | magyar: looks like the interface is having trouble with the drive, or the drive is having trouble |
| 13:21.43 | magyar | nsadmin: hmm, its a cdrom drive and i used it to install lenny |
| 13:22.04 | nsadmin | so you mentioned... |
| 13:22.32 | paissad-hp | upgrading to sid |
| 13:22.58 | magyar | but i think you right, could be the drive is not responding properly |
| 13:23.09 | nachos | installing two versions of gcc is a bad idea, yes? |
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| 13:24.25 | nachos | some things require 4.1 and some 4.3 |
| 13:24.46 | Kizmet | nachos, not really I have 4.1 and 4.3 installed on my boxen, I just choose which one I need to use ;) |
| 13:24.57 | nachos | Kizmet: how? |
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| 13:25.24 | nsadmin | magyar the thing is I've heard of this before lately |
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| 13:26.00 | nsadmin | so -anecdotally- I'm saying that might suggest some kind of driver bug |
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| 13:26.38 | magyar | nsadmin: well, with 2.6.26 I had/ve a lot of adventures |
| 13:26.45 | nsadmin | there's not even enough anecdotal evidence to support that, I've heard of it a handfull of times |
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| 13:28.19 | abrotman | magyar: 1) dying drive 2) bad CD 3) possibly need DMA |
| 13:28.20 | Kizmet | nachos, /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 ? |
| 13:28.26 | magyar | nsadmin: i run a bunch of these proliant servers (dl380 G3) , this was the first install of lenny direct, the rest were upgrades from etch |
| 13:28.36 | nachos | it makes no sense to have two versions installed |
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| 13:30.04 | magyar | abrotman: I am pooling for dying drive, as there is no media in the drive |
| 13:30.10 | abrotman | pulling ? |
| 13:30.15 | magyar | altough installed lenny with no issues |
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| 13:30.21 | magyar | bahh |
| 13:30.31 | nsadmin | polling? |
| 13:30.36 | abrotman | and you're sure hda is your CD drive ? |
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| 13:31.02 | magyar | abrotman: thats what dmesg indicates |
| 13:31.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:31.16 | abrotman | just try swapping it with one from another machine |
| 13:31.24 | nsadmin | hda being cdrom is somewhat rare, but obviously the cable fits |
| 13:32.01 | magyar | will do, this occures on bootup, i have a few minutes delay and than the boot continues |
| 13:32.47 | magyar | so dmesg shows a few retries and then moved on to the scsi portion of things |
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| 13:33.02 | hochron | can someone help me get my nvidia driver to work? |
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| 13:33.52 | hochron | I followed the steps detailed here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:34.10 | psilikon | After much googling I still can't seem to find out how to get rid of the "Mount point '/dev/shm' does not exist. Skipping mount. (warning)." message at boot |
| 13:34.24 | Kizmet | nachos, some times it does some times it doesnt ;) depends on what your doing etc. |
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| 13:34.27 | nachos | this is retarded |
| 13:34.32 | Gnutoo | hi,I have forgetten to restore the x11 opengl implementation(mesa) while removing the proprietary nvidia drivers...how do I do that in command line mode with update-alternatives? |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | i think that's a dpkg-divert |
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| 13:36.24 | Gnutoo | ok I'll look to dpkg-divert |
| 13:36.26 | Gnutoo | thanks |
| 13:36.42 | hochron | I think all I need to do is configure X to use the driver... I think I need more info in my screens section of xorg.conf |
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| 13:37.01 | sophacles | hey all, im researching new printers and it seems things have changed a bit since i last looked... can someone help me clear up a bit of confusion: for hp all-in-one types, does the hplip driver cover the scanning and printing? if so do i still need sane or is there a different tool suite? |
| 13:37.11 | Gnutoo | mmm |
| 13:37.28 | Gnutoo | is there a program to switch? because divert seems there for replacing a binary |
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| 13:39.25 | modry | witam |
| 13:40.17 | modry | mam problem z debianem |
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| 13:40.43 | abrotman | modry: english please |
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| 13:42.55 | liable | you scared him off |
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| 13:44.09 | hochron | can someone tell me what is wrong with this xorg.conf?? http://pastebin.com/m30cef249 |
| 13:44.40 | nachos | if im downloading the linux-tree package, i dont need the headers package also? |
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| 13:45.26 | abrotman | hochron: what's in the error log? |
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| 13:46.00 | hochron | abrotman: where is it? |
| 13:46.42 | stew | nachos: what are you trying to do? compile a kernel? |
| 13:47.01 | nachos | just incase some programs need to make kernel modules... |
| 13:47.13 | nachos | nevermind ill just stick with 4.1 this is too much of a pain |
| 13:47.22 | stew | nachos: then you need -headers |
| 13:47.32 | stew | nachos: 4.1 of what? |
| 13:48.19 | stew | nachos: (and you wouldn't need -tree to build kernel modules) |
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| 13:48.35 | nachos | gcc |
| 13:48.40 | Igloo | Hi all |
| 13:48.55 | hochron | abrotman: I am trying to get my nvidia card to work, the screen that pops up says something is wrong with my screens section |
| 13:49.02 | nachos | what about the general unix headers what package are they in? |
| 13:49.13 | Igloo | Can anyone tell me why "sudo apt-get build-dep coq" says "E: Unable to find a source package for coq" when there's a coq package in /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_source_Sources please? |
| 13:49.31 | stew | nachos: libc6-dev, i guess? |
| 13:49.53 | sophacles | nachos, did you install build-essential? |
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| 13:50.27 | hochron | abrotman: I dont know where the xorg.conf error log is? |
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| 13:50.40 | stew | hochron: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:50.40 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:50.42 | Igloo | and "apt-cache showsrc coq" shows 2 packages |
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| 13:52.54 | hochron | this is my error log http://pastebin.com/m5e196b9 |
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| 13:53.21 | abrotman | Igloo: do you have a deb-src line enabled ? |
| 13:54.13 | brabo | i have connected to a vpn with pptp, i see ppp0, it get's ip address and dns servers, but i cannot ping the gateway.. do i have to add routes or iptable rules to make it active? the server i'm trying this on already acts as a router with eth0 external, and eth1 internal. the purpose would be to route specific protocols over the vpn connection |
| 13:54.22 | Igloo | abrotman: deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 13:54.36 | Kizmet | brabo, route -n |
| 13:54.50 | stew | hochron: i don't see any problems there. what exactly are you tyring to fix? |
| 13:55.23 | brabo | Kizmet: http://pastebin.com/f1911f62c |
| 13:55.31 | abrotman | Igloo: and you ran apt-get update ? |
| 13:55.37 | Igloo | abrotman: Yes |
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| 13:56.04 | abrotman | apt-cache showsrc coq |
| 13:56.27 | Igloo | abrotman: That has 2 entries |
| 13:56.32 | brabo | Kizmet: oops: http://pastebin.com/f5d84644c |
| 13:56.40 | hochron | stew: I am trying to get my nvidia card to work, I had to mx xorg.conf.bak xorg.conf |
| 13:56.42 | brabo | pp0 was down with the first one :/ sorry! |
| 13:56.46 | hochron | mv |
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| 13:57.17 | stew | hochron: how is it not working now? this log makes it look like its working |
| 13:58.04 | hochron | hmm, the log must reflect this X, after I moved the file.... |
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| 13:59.02 | hochron | stew: ok I am going to move the files around and try it again... this time I will look at the corrupt log |
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| 13:59.40 | hochron | stew: or is there some way to look at a previous log? |
| 13:59.53 | stew | Xorg.0.log.old |
| 13:59.59 | hochron | ok |
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| 14:00.41 | racecar56 | how do i disable the borders of maximized windows in kde 3? |
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| 14:01.59 | hochron | thank you for your help stew I have been working on this for a couple of days now, my old log is here http://pastebin.com/m11eaed0 |
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| 14:02.43 | stew | hochron: you thanked me too soon, thats not something I'd help with, sorry :) |
| 14:02.59 | taraskostiak | with what can I generate WPA key? |
| 14:04.03 | Snadder | How do I enable apache to start at boot time? |
| 14:04.12 | cahoot | taraskostiak: looking for wpa_passphrase? |
| 14:04.16 | Snadder | *apache2* |
| 14:04.27 | nsadmin | Snadder: if you install the package, that's already done |
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| 14:04.55 | Snadder | nsadmin, At the moment apache1 was enabled on boot time |
| 14:04.58 | nsadmin | if it's not starting at boot, perhaps something is wrong? |
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| 14:05.24 | nsadmin | it's possible to have both enabled... but on different ports |
| 14:05.30 | racecar56 | back in my ubuntu days my apache2 started automatically |
| 14:05.44 | racecar56 | i don't see why it wouldn't on debian |
| 14:05.57 | taraskostiak | cahoot: ? want to migrate my router from wpe to wpa |
| 14:06.02 | racecar56 | gee debian is so nice on my q6600 :D |
| 14:06.11 | skyjumper | anyone know of a fix for/details of broken dependencies of courier-* in sid? |
| 14:06.13 | Titan8990_ | racecar56, man update-rc.d |
| 14:06.14 | patiq | Snadder: when i upgraded to apache2, it started automatically always |
| 14:06.18 | nsadmin | Snadder: so this is for a web server on a static ip? |
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| 14:06.28 | nsadmin | with a domain name attached? |
| 14:06.45 | Snadder | nsadmin, yes.. static ip |
| 14:06.48 | Titan8990_ | racecar56, if its not starting, its probably failing to start as debian always adds all its init scripts to startup |
| 14:06.59 | nsadmin | Snadder: and there is a domain name? |
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| 14:07.07 | Snadder | nsadmin, yes.. |
| 14:07.23 | Snadder | patiq, When I upgraded.. the old apache was still installed.. and was started instead |
| 14:07.33 | nsadmin | I'll get into that a bit later, but first... |
| 14:07.51 | Snadder | I just now removed the old apache |
| 14:07.56 | nsadmin | do you want to -replace- your apache 1? |
| 14:07.57 | racecar56 | O_o |
| 14:07.58 | Titan8990_ | you can't have multiple daemons listening on the same port, the old webserver needs to be removed or prevented from starting |
| 14:08.02 | Snadder | nsadmin, yes |
| 14:08.03 | nsadmin | so you do. |
| 14:08.30 | Snadder | nsadmin, I have confed apache2 right.. so it works as I want |
| 14:08.46 | nsadmin | ok, try this... /etc/init.d/apache<tab><tab> |
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| 14:08.55 | nsadmin | (don't hit enter yet) |
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| 14:09.11 | nsadmin | do you see more than one choice? |
| 14:09.14 | Snadder | nsadmin, yes |
| 14:09.43 | Snadder | I didnt remove with --purge |
| 14:09.51 | hochron | can anyone tell me what is wrong with the xorg log? |
| 14:09.52 | nsadmin | ok, so even though you removed apache1, its config files remain... pick the 2 one and make the line look like... |
| 14:10.06 | nsadmin | ok, try this... /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 14:10.21 | nsadmin | and hit enter |
| 14:10.25 | Snadder | Yes? |
| 14:10.26 | nsadmin | then start it |
| 14:10.28 | |Scorp| | Hello! |
| 14:10.30 | nsadmin | ok, try this... /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 14:10.43 | Snadder | nsadmin, done |
| 14:10.48 | nsadmin | see if it's up |
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| 14:11.03 | Snadder | nsadmin, works.. |
| 14:11.03 | nsadmin | you don't have to purge the old one if you don't want btw |
| 14:11.11 | nsadmin | ok, there ya go :) |
| 14:11.17 | Snadder | nsadmin, but I dont know if it starts at boot time! |
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| 14:11.41 | nsadmin | look at: ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 14:11.51 | nsadmin | do you see apache2 in there somewhere |
| 14:12.24 | nsadmin | if so... theoretically it will start it at boot... |
| 14:12.32 | Snadder | nsadmin, yeah. I see it now.. S is infront alot of apache2's |
| 14:12.32 | nsadmin | but the real test is to reboot the machine |
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| 14:13.24 | nsadmin | rebooting has other implications tho... you may or may not wish to reboot now, for other reasons |
| 14:13.55 | nsadmin | for example, if this machne is a remote, you'd want to be careful about rebooting |
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| 14:14.45 | nsadmin | but that would be the empirical test |
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| 14:16.03 | nsadmin | otoh if the machine is right in front of you and no other users are on it (like for example your boss who would fire you for getting him kicked off his box) |
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| 14:16.25 | nsadmin | then it's very likely safe to reboot |
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| 14:17.53 | Snadder | nsadmin, its a server |
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| 14:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, would perhaps be a good idea to remove /etc/init.d/apache /etc/init.d/apache-ssl, though - or at least the starting softlinks |
| 14:18.23 | nsadmin | Snadder: so you have to be careful about rebooting especially if there are current users |
| 14:19.05 | smacnay | Hi, I have a network-manager app in my top panel. When it is checked "on" for "Enable Networking", Telepathy will not connect. When it is checked "off", Telepathy does connect and work. Does this app actually do anything useful? My network connection is up when I boot already. |
| 14:19.19 | smacnay | This is a Debian install with Gnome running. |
| 14:19.26 | nsadmin | if there are, then the friendly thing to do is say "I want to reboot this, at 19:30 PM 3/4/2009 |
| 14:19.30 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, I did apt-get install apache; apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 14:19.48 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, Now all apache files is gone |
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| 14:20.07 | patiq | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that should do it :) I thought you wanted to keep 'em around for reference if you have to stitch up your apache2 configs |
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| 14:20.52 | bullgard4 | How can I check if ALSA uses the AUDIODEV environment variable? |
| 14:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian does telepathy now? |
| 14:21.26 | Snadder | Another problem I have.. is.. the diffrence on "auto" and "allow-hotplug" inside /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:22.20 | Snadder | On one server I have.. it says: auto eth0 |
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| 14:22.37 | Snadder | But on this other box I have.. it says allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 14:22.41 | Snadder | Is there any diffrence |
| 14:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | bullgard4, by it's effect? Else, I don't think you can test for use of an environment variable easily |
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| 14:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, "man interfaces"? |
| 14:23.28 | taraskostiak | heya CutMeOwnThroat |
| 14:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | auto starts on boot, allow-hotplug starts when the device becomes available... and runs ifdown when it goes away |
| 14:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | taraskostiak, heya |
| 14:24.01 | bullgard4 | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you for answering. |
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| 14:26.27 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, Ok. thanks |
| 14:27.06 | cantoma | guys, i have 82% of my memory in use. I look at top in the memory tab and I see that most process are taking 0% and only a few 1%. How can i see who is using most of 80% of the memory? |
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| 14:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | type 'h' in top for its help |
| 14:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can change which column is sorted by |
| 14:28.07 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, i click m for memory sort |
| 14:28.27 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, but still the biggest is only 4% |
| 14:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's wrong |
| 14:28.38 | taraskostiak | then sum gains 80? |
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| 14:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | as you'll see when you hit 'h' for help... |
| 14:28.46 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, if i sum them all is not 80% |
| 14:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did you determine your free ram? |
| 14:30.02 | Snadder | W: GPG error: http://ftp.no.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 14:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !free memory |
| 14:30.06 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 14:30.14 | Snadder | What should I do when I get that message? |
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| 14:31.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | Snadder: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:32.12 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, did you know how can i check the buffers? |
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| 14:32.28 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, the cache i can see it in free -m |
| 14:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | just 'free' shows you all? |
| 14:33.35 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, thats true |
| 14:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes life can be so easy :) |
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| 14:37.47 | geekboi | Is there a way to apply the patch for bind to the binary or should I just compile from scratch and stop using the binary until a patched one is released? |
| 14:39.25 | the-dude | geekboi: you could do a apt-get source bind9 and apply the patch |
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| 14:41.27 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, well so here my arithmetic's: 1979 is my total memory. Used is 1641 which is 83%. Buffer is 214 and Cached is 729. Which means: 1979-214-729=1035 of free memory. I freeze top and sum all the memory it gives: 19.7%. Which corresponds to 196.84 MB. So I have 1035-196.83=838.17. How come I only have 336 of free memory. Where are the others 502.17 MB?! |
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| 14:43.52 | racecar56 | i'm having trouble installing ia32-libs "libc6-i386: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18) but 2.9-23 is to be installed" |
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| 14:44.20 | Titan8990_ | racecar56, aptitude install libc6 |
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| 14:44.34 | Titan8990_ | racecar56, oh, exact version |
| 14:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantoma, smaller processes that top doesn't show and rounding errors? |
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| 14:44.45 | runa_ | ciao la mia webcam va treoppo lenta 6fps |
| 14:44.54 | runa_ | penso che sia un problema del uvcvideo |
| 14:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | try ps? |
| 14:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just stop worrying? :) |
| 14:45.02 | liable | runa_: english here |
| 14:45.06 | runa_ | sorry |
| 14:45.07 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, well i cannot be accurate with the precision of top |
| 14:45.26 | runa_ | i have a problem with uvcvideo with kernel 2.6.30 |
| 14:45.36 | runa_ | and i wanted to recompile the driver |
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| 14:45.50 | runa_ | but i cant find the kernel headers |
| 14:46.20 | runa_ | in my source |
| 14:46.25 | runa_ | i have deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel sid main |
| 14:46.29 | runa_ | *source.list |
| 14:46.35 | runa_ | can sb help |
| 14:46.41 | cantoma | CutMeOwnThroat, well i understand that maybe is difficult to freeze it totally and get some law of physics from it. Since its a Continuous process (parallel stuff) i guess it kinda difficult. |
| 14:46.47 | runa_ | me compiling the uvcvideo? |
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| 14:48.07 | Kizmet | runa_, apt-cache search linux-header ? |
| 14:48.15 | nsadmin | runa_: poke around at http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel |
| 14:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 14:48.17 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 -- sid: 2.6.30-3 |
| 14:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 14:48.50 | CoolCold | uh uh, lenny is not 'true' as 'etch' was...to enable installation remotely via ssh i should use expert mode..in usual mode when i select 'download installer components' i just get to next point, without actual selection.. |
| 14:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see it in unstable... seems judd's too much behind :) |
| 14:50.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, 2.6.30 is in the regular unstable repro |
| 14:50.01 | runa_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, well, then you're too bleeding edge |
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| 14:51.00 | runa_ | so i should wait till it is in the repository again? |
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| 14:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | or do all the work yourself |
| 14:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
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| 14:52.11 | taraskostiak | grrr why sometimes when I close Konsole everything goes black and then back to X |
| 14:52.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I also find linux-kbuild-2.6.30, though |
| 14:52.30 | allure | hi guys! What's the correct way to use --exclude? I want to exclude mp3, ogg, avi, mpg etc from a tarball. anyone? :) |
| 14:52.33 | taraskostiak | and another program closes due to alt-f4 |
| 14:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, linux-kbuild-2.6.30 | 2.6.30-1 | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 14:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's even in backports |
| 14:53.32 | Snadder | How do I find out if I have etch or sarge installed? |
| 14:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | taraskostiak, because kde users are MEANT to suffer :-P |
| 14:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:54.07 | Snadder | I have 2.6.8-2-386 installed and cat /etc/debian_version returns 4.0 |
| 14:54.12 | Snadder | What does 4.0 mean? |
| 14:54.14 | taraskostiak | lol CutMeOwnThroat |
| 14:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, perhaps your mirror is just not up-to-date? This seems to have come in quite recently... try a different mirror or wait a day |
| 14:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | 4.0 is etch |
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| 14:55.28 | Snadder | CutMeOwnThroat, cool.. But I guess I need to upgrade the kernal manually.. to the latest? |
| 14:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | allure, "info coreutils tar" is more explicit than the manpage |
| 14:56.20 | allure | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 14:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | not mutch, though |
| 14:56.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | much |
| 14:56.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 14:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm tired! |
| 14:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | got up at 8am - that's unnatural |
| 14:57.14 | racecar56 | i did too |
| 14:57.19 | racecar56 | 8:15 to be exact |
| 14:57.34 | racecar56 | but i'm not tired |
| 14:57.37 | allure | bleh, I got up 6:15 =/ |
| 14:57.44 | racecar56 | heheheh |
| 14:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... my normal time is around 10am or later |
| 14:58.07 | Snadder | isnt the kernel 2.6.8-2-386 from sarge? |
| 14:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I didn't get any caffeine yet |
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| 14:58.27 | allure | my normal time is around 1pm lol =D |
| 14:58.30 | racecar56 | i'm having trouble installing ia32-libs "libc6-i386: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18) but 2.9-23 is to be installed" |
| 14:58.35 | racecar56 | allure: XD |
| 14:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Snadder, could be... 2.6.18 was default in etch |
| 14:58.56 | allure | hey =) |
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| 14:59.27 | Tapout | with a uname of '2.6.26-2-amd64 #1' <-- I see with changelog it says it's on revision : linux-2.6 (2.6.26-17lenny1) .. Am I really on 17 - 2 = 15 releases behind? |
| 14:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | racecar56, you're trying to install lenny ia32-libs into testing or a mixed system? |
| 14:59.59 | racecar56 | CutMeOwnThroat: no it's plain lenny O_. |
| 15:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 15:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... dpkg -l libc6 |grep ii |
| 15:00.46 | allure | racecar56: I'm not sure this is the best solution, but I'd download libc6 2.7-18 deb pkg manually and dpkg -i it |
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| 15:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | always assumes people will paste the ii.... line anyway, but they often insist on pasting all the other crap |
| 15:01.10 | racecar56 | CutMeOwnThroat: libc6 2.9-23 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:01.16 | racecar56 | CutMeOwnThroat: libc6 2.9-23? WHAT |
| 15:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's not lenny anymore |
| 15:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | racecar56, /msg dpkg bobbitt is for YOU and you get to keep all the pieces |
| 15:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | racecar56, seems you decided to use testing :) |
| 15:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libc6 |
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| 15:02.06 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-23 |
| 15:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/testing/unstable/ |
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| 15:02.27 | allure`away | goint 2 lunch |
| 15:02.30 | allure`away | cya l8r guys =) |
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| 15:06.29 | elventails | hi - my bind has been running at 100% since this morning |
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| 15:06.47 | elventails | this is on etch - I updated to the latest package due to the security advisory and still at 100% |
| 15:06.51 | elventails | any clues? |
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| 15:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, looks like, doesn't it? :) |
| 15:07.11 | Snadder | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libklibc klibc-utils busybox libvolume-id0 udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:07.13 | petemc | elventails: rndc querylog toggles verbose logging |
| 15:07.15 | Snadder | How come I get this? |
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| 15:07.41 | Kyrian | hi |
| 15:07.58 | WastePotato | hi |
| 15:07.59 | elventails | petemc: thanks |
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| 15:08.36 | racecar56 | Snadder: sudo apt-get update |
| 15:08.41 | racecar56 | Snadder: that may help |
| 15:08.53 | racecar56 | Snadder: if it prints errors please pastebin them |
| 15:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6-686 ----> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-latest-2.6_17+lenny1/changelog |
| 15:09.00 | racecar56 | Snadder: (and post link) |
| 15:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, actually, no - revision 14 was 2.6.25-2 the 2.6 metapackage has a different count than the 2.6.xx-y one |
| 15:10.55 | Snadder | racecar56, strangely apt-get update corrected the problem |
| 15:11.00 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, how do I find out exactly what revision I have installed? |
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| 15:11.15 | Tapout | i want to see from .. what version I've got installed, to present all the changelog entries |
| 15:11.20 | racecar56 | Snadder: i get those erros occasionally (especially if i terminate apt-get update) |
| 15:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, dpkg -l linux-image\* |grep ii would give you the debian version... |
| 15:12.14 | racecar56 | CutMeOwnThroat: :D i'm fixing my problem |
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| 15:12.24 | racecar56 | CutMeOwnThroat: it's working nicely |
| 15:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | upgrade to testing? |
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| 15:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | racecar56, you know downgrades are not supposed to work, don't you? |
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| 15:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (the can work, but no mechanisms are provided for format changes in config files) |
| 15:14.10 | digifor | What kernel is testing running at the moment? |
| 15:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions linux-latest-2.6 |
| 15:14.36 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-latest-2.6 -- |
| 15:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
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| 15:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | digifor, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=linux-image |
| 15:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on the architecture :) |
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| 15:18.27 | racecar56 | where is a link to a libgtk2.0-0 deb (i can't launch my browser :\ |
| 15:20.18 | kc8pxy | i have a lenny box, lan ip 10.32.64.13. when i ping it from the lan, say from a box with ip 10.32.64.10, it responds normally, but when i ping it from a vpn client machine (vpn server is NOT the 10.32.64.13 box) this box has icmp request show up on it's gateway nic, but it never replies.. why is this? |
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| 15:21.00 | kc8pxy | vpn client ip is 10.64.64.6 |
| 15:21.01 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: is the vpn client on the 10.*? |
| 15:21.07 | nsadmin | so yes |
| 15:21.18 | kc8pxy | different subnet |
| 15:21.21 | nsadmin | what's the vpn's netmask? |
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| 15:21.44 | nsadmin | if it's a different subnet, that implies there would be arouter |
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| 15:24.15 | racecar56 | where is the debian packages site |
| 15:24.24 | racecar56 | i am stuck with lynx :\ |
| 15:24.35 | liable | racecar56: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:24.48 | nsadmin | surprising, huh? :) |
| 15:25.05 | liable | or you can just ftp to ftp.debian.org |
| 15:25.21 | nsadmin | well better to ftp to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 15:25.30 | racecar56 | liable: "Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host." not fun |
| 15:25.30 | racecar56 | liable: im looking for libgtk2.0-0 |
| 15:25.47 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: ifconfig says mask is 255.255.255.255 |
| 15:26.01 | nsadmin | wow |
| 15:26.17 | nsadmin | there's nothing but you in your world according to that mask :) |
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| 15:26.49 | racecar56 | what the heck where is libgtk2.0-0 i don't see it |
| 15:27.06 | enouf | !search |
| 15:27.06 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 15:27.17 | nsadmin | racecar56: the thing is, particular versions of particular packages all go together |
| 15:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, it's those little surprises that make life worthwhile :) |
| 15:27.48 | racecar56 | enouf: you don't understand |
| 15:27.59 | enouf | guess i don't |
| 15:28.00 | racecar56 | enouf: apt forbids me to install anything |
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| 15:28.21 | racecar56 | enouf: i have to dpkg -i a libgtk2.0-0 deb but i cant find one |
| 15:28.21 | enouf | so what you do with a pkg then |
| 15:28.25 | enouf | oh |
| 15:28.36 | nsadmin | racecar56: one thing debian is not good at, it's mixing versions |
| 15:28.40 | enouf | racecar56: why does apt "forbid" you? |
| 15:28.47 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: well.. somehow it can ping 10.64.64.1, which is the vpn server, and ssh into it. |
| 15:28.50 | racecar56 | enouf: broken packages galore |
| 15:28.55 | enouf | racecar56: you'll also want/need the depends |
| 15:29.04 | enouf | ok |
| 15:29.06 | elventails | anyone with bind hitting 100% today? |
| 15:29.11 | elventails | can't figure out why |
| 15:29.15 | enouf | judd: versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 15:29.16 | judd | enouf: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 squeeze: 2.16.1-2 sid: 2.16.5-1 |
| 15:29.29 | d_b | elventails: http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/0028231/New-DoS-Vulnerability-In-All-Versions-of-BIND-9 ? |
| 15:29.30 | enouf | well, it's at pdo like liable said |
| 15:29.48 | elventails | d_b: yeah - I patched it and ts still at 100 any clue? |
| 15:29.57 | elventails | me read d_b's link |
| 15:30.07 | nsadmin | racecar56: for example if you go with stable, but then you install stuff with later versions, sometimes apt will try to upgrade your whole debian to a whole new version (or, partly so) |
| 15:30.13 | d_b | elventails: sorry, I don't know anything, I just saw the headline on slashdot :) |
| 15:30.13 | enouf | elventails: try /me ;-) |
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| 15:30.25 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: so i need to fix the netmaps the clent's being given? |
| 15:30.26 | nsadmin | try |
| 15:30.32 | kc8pxy | netmask |
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| 15:30.51 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: take a look at your route -n |
| 15:30.57 | racecar56 | yay i found libgtk2.0-0 |
| 15:31.03 | digifor | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat I have a Bandluxe C270 Modem. It works on Fedora 10 which has a 2.6.27 kernel. |
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| 15:31.24 | Hans_Henrik | i tried to install debian few days ago, according to lspci, all drivers worked out-of-the-box, but i had problems with my keyboard (if i wrote to fast {and that ain't fast!}, it would skip some of the keys i pressed), i had problem with my screen (Very laggy, but the screen drivers was seemingly installed..), then i tried to run DSL-linux (minimalistic linux distro, --50MB), and i had none... |
| 15:31.25 | Hans_Henrik | ...of those problems (and screen was really fast) - ??? |
| 15:31.34 | elventails | enouf: keyboard needs cleaning :) |
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| 15:31.47 | digifor | So is my best approach to install Lenny and use a backported kernel to make it go? |
| 15:31.57 | nsadmin | digifor: lately, there's 2.6.30 kernels in backports for the stable debian |
| 15:31.59 | Titan8990_ | Hans_Henrik, did you install/configure the proper drivers for your card? |
| 15:32.01 | digifor | http://www.bandrich.com/db/download/manual/BandLuxe_Fedora_10_Setup.pdf |
| 15:32.12 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:32.40 | enouf | digifor: sure |
| 15:32.46 | Titan8990_ | Hans_Henrik, gnome is a fully featured desktop envirnment and has considerably higher requirements than JWM that dsl uses |
| 15:32.58 | enouf | digifor: there's .30 for Lenny at bpo |
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| 15:33.10 | digifor | nsadmin, That sounds like the way to go. I do have a Fedora 10 CD in front of me...but I so much prefer dpkg |
| 15:33.47 | nsadmin | digifor: before we go further, what exactly are you running right now |
| 15:33.47 | racecar56 | is gconf2 2.22.0-1 lenny |
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| 15:34.06 | Hans_Henrik | Titan8990_: well i tried to fix the nvidia grapic driver, but the "-legacy-71xx" version cant be obtained in the latest 686 kernel, but the keyboard problem was present even without X-server running |
| 15:34.24 | nsadmin | !listkeys kmuto |
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| 15:34.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kmuto' by key (1): kmuto. |
| 15:34.39 | nsadmin | !kmuto |
| 15:34.39 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files (in 0627 images) are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 15:34.54 | Titan8990_ | Hans_Henrik, the keyboard things sounds like the kernel configuration didn't agree with your hardware |
| 15:34.57 | jaalto | How do I configure kernel unattended. I'd like to run command: "make -C /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26 CC=gcc-4.1 prepare scripts" and have it select 'm' for modules as needed. No interactive questions. |
| 15:35.02 | digifor | On the laptop that I am installing. XP, OpenSolaris. Debian is installing as we speak. |
| 15:35.05 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: http://dpaste.com/72952/ |
| 15:35.09 | Titan8990_ | Hans_Henrik, i would consider safe boot options such as noapic and acpi=off |
| 15:35.32 | digifor | Debian Lenny |
| 15:35.47 | enouf | Hans_Henrik: you could also check the logs |
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| 15:36.35 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: line 5 |
| 15:36.51 | nsadmin | the gateway is not in the net, so it's unreachable |
| 15:37.06 | nsadmin | otoh, you have a 10.* on your wireless |
| 15:37.19 | iluminator101 | Hi, This is the error i get, can someone help me. http://pastebin.com/d45ffc09d |
| 15:37.33 | Hans_Henrik | Titan8990_: ok ill try to boot with acpi off next time |
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| 15:38.01 | nsadmin | digifor: so it booted and the device is working? |
| 15:38.33 | nsadmin | digifor: if you have trouble... /msg dpkg kmuto and take a look there |
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| 15:38.48 | racecar56 | where is a gstreamer0.10-plugins-good deb? |
| 15:38.56 | enouf | iluminator101: well which one of those is it? |
| 15:39.00 | racecar56 | would that be anywhere else than main |
| 15:39.16 | iluminator101 | digifor: what the advantages of opensolaris |
| 15:39.25 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: ???? that doesn't jive with what I'm seeing.. when i run 'tcpdump -ni eth0 icmp' on the 10.32.64.13 machine, i SEE pings from 10.64.64.6. how is it getting there if it's unreachable? |
| 15:39.26 | enouf | iluminator101: and what are you actualluy tryuing to do when you get that message? |
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| 15:39.41 | digifor | nsadmin, At this stage I am literally installing the laptop. but I'll have a look at kmuto |
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| 15:40.13 | iluminator101 | enouf: i get that error when i do this command gnome-screensaver-command --activate |
| 15:40.30 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: perhaps over the wireless... acording to the routing table, all other 10.* other than the stuff on the prev line gets routed thru that |
| 15:40.33 | enouf | iluminator101: is a remote session? |
| 15:40.53 | enouf | iluminator101: is DBUS running? pstree -lunap will tell you |
| 15:41.18 | enouf | iluminator101: you should have atleast 3 instances, IIRC |
| 15:41.33 | enouf | 2 daemons + 1 launch |
| 15:42.01 | digifor | iluminator101, This is #debian so not too much. At this stage interesting to developers and people who like new tech. |
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| 15:42.18 | digifor | See this site for more info: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/what_makes_opensolaris_interesting_reason |
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| 15:42.34 | iluminator101 | enouf:pastebin output http://pastebin.com/dd349e24 |
| 15:42.59 | digifor | I'm following the triple boot guide but I want to replace Ubuntu with Debian. |
| 15:43.38 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: that doesn't make sense.. i have a strict shorewall on the vpn server, and there is the internet between the 2 boxen, if it's not going over the vpn |
| 15:43.59 | Snadder | I upgraded my system from etch to lenny.. but the kernel wasnt upgraded automaticly.. why's that? |
| 15:44.09 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: maybe I'm too strictly interpreting the routing talbe |
| 15:44.32 | valdyn | Snadder: because 2 kernels of 2 different upstream versions are different kernels, not "upgrades" in debian |
| 15:44.53 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: if I understand correctly, a gateway must be within the subnet of the net route |
| 15:44.56 | iluminator101 | digifor:thats what i did, i replaced Ubuntu with Debian. There is some intial quirks but its definitely worth it |
| 15:45.06 | Snadder | valdyn, but another box I got upgraded the kernel automaticly |
| 15:45.11 | valdyn | Snadder: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 is *not* more than a package *name* |
| 15:45.27 | valdyn | Snadder: theres metapackages that do that |
| 15:45.28 | nsadmin | you have 10.32.* but no 10.64.* at least insofar as you've showed me |
| 15:45.57 | enouf | iluminator101: pkill console-kit-dae* ; dmesg | grep -i selinux ; and check your firestarter settings |
| 15:45.59 | valdyn | Snadder: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686, read |
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| 15:46.50 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: now if the strict interpretation is the correct one, perhaps the gateway somewhere around 10.64.* is not the same machine you;re trying to reach |
| 15:46.50 | valdyn | iluminator101: why is it worth it? |
| 15:46.50 | Snadder | valdyn, ok. thanks! |
| 15:46.59 | themill | dpkg, no, when will squeeze release is <reply> Squeeze is anticipated to be released in early 2010 with a freeze starting in December 2009. See http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 and ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 15:46.59 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 15:47.25 | kc8pxy | yes, it's not. |
| 15:47.30 | iluminator101 | valdyn: its faster, and you have more software selection, list goes on and on.... |
| 15:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | unnatural! |
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| 15:47.42 | nsadmin | the thing to remember is that 10.* is an unroutable class A net... so there could be any number of them behind firewalls |
| 15:47.58 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: the gateway, 10.64.64.1 has a 10.32.64.x ip also |
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| 15:48.28 | themill | dpkg, squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! themill=2010-05-30/ |
| 15:48.28 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 15:48.43 | iluminator101 | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d16d6a789 |
| 15:48.45 | themill | Place your bets ladies and gentleman! Place your bets! |
| 15:48.45 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: then, the thing to do is have the gateway address in the routing table be the 10.32 address for the gateway |
| 15:49.45 | racecar56 | where can i get libgnome-keyring0? |
| 15:49.50 | racecar56 | deb |
| 15:49.52 | valdyn | dpkg: squeeze pool 1 = s/!/! valdyn=2010-10-30/ |
| 15:49.53 | dpkg | no idea, valdyn |
| 15:49.58 | valdyn | dpkg: squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! valdyn=2010-10-30/ |
| 15:49.58 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 15:50.03 | enouf | iluminator101: um,. a) wouldn't give any output, b) 1 line, few words, and c) is up to you to check |
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| 15:50.17 | themill | valdyn: pessimist! |
| 15:50.33 | valdyn | that was *optimistic* |
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| 15:51.04 | iluminator101 | enouf: whats the problem, why does it fail to connect, how can i fix it? |
| 15:51.11 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: ok, jsut to show that ti works, here is a new routing table. |
| 15:51.35 | kc8pxy | http://dpaste.com/72959/ |
| 15:51.39 | nsadmin | is that gateway supplied by a dhcp? |
| 15:51.43 | enouf | dpkg, squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! enouf=2010-04-01/ |
| 15:51.43 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 15:52.35 | nsadmin | ok, you have a host route |
| 15:52.37 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: tun1 is to a vpn that i know woks, and i can freely access 192.168.16.x machines. it SHOUDL be working for 10.32.64 machines as well,, right? |
| 15:52.38 | nsadmin | 192.168.32.5 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 tun1 |
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| 15:53.06 | nsadmin | so that machine should be reachable by that host route |
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| 15:53.32 | nsadmin | and therefore it should be fair game as a gw in other lines of that routing table |
| 15:54.09 | themill | dpkg, skip upgrade is <reply>Skipping releases when upgrading (e.g. sarge->lenny or etch->squeeze) is not supported; however, skip-upgrading from lenny to squeeze+1 (which should be released in early 2012) will be supported. See http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 15:54.09 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 15:54.12 | nsadmin | I didn't actually check for a similar host route on your other paste :) |
| 15:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15/ |
| 15:54.21 | dpkg | OK, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 15:55.12 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: you'll need wmds to make that happen :) |
| 15:55.17 | terdon | hi folks, what the kernel version of the official lenny release? |
| 15:55.23 | terdon | what's* |
| 15:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | wmds? |
| 15:55.31 | themill | judd kernels --release lenny |
| 15:55.33 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17) |
| 15:55.35 | themill | terdon: ^^ |
| 15:55.35 | EagleScreen | lenny has 2.6.26 |
| 15:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | come on, half a year is realistic |
| 15:55.51 | nsadmin | the things Bushie was looking for in iraq |
| 15:55.52 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: so... ?? |
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| 15:56.06 | terdon | 2.6.26, thanks |
| 15:56.15 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: let me look at the other routing table again... link? |
| 15:56.55 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: this is -debian-! :) |
| 15:57.29 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: http://dpaste.com/72959/ |
| 15:57.32 | nsadmin | you have an AWFUL lot of cats to herd! |
| 15:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yach, well - even hell freeze was over... |
| 15:57.56 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: no I mean the earlier one |
| 15:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | in 2001, to be exact :) |
| 16:00.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagles#Don_Felder_sues_the_Eagles_2001 |
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| 16:02.56 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: http://dpaste.com/72952/ all i did was scroll up |
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| 16:03.46 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: oh, thanks... looking |
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| 16:04.16 | nsadmin | 10.64.64.5 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 16:04.30 | nsadmin | line 2, again, host route |
| 16:04.49 | enouf | iluminator101: i wouldn't know - perhaps try #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org? |
| 16:04.59 | enouf | iluminator101: you could strace it ... |
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| 16:05.17 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: what does that mean for this? |
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| 16:05.26 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: so that's why it at least partially works :) |
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| 16:06.01 | nsadmin | kc8pxy:: you might want to look at the routing table of the gateway |
| 16:06.34 | nsadmin | the other thing is, you have two routes that cover the same subnet, do you see that? |
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| 16:07.04 | nsadmin | wait, no you don't |
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| 16:07.27 | ircDon | Hello all, I have been looking through the aptitude and apt docs but I could not find anything on how the abbreviations after package names are used. In an aptitude safe-upgrade report I see: "The following packages have been kept back: cpp{a} libgl1-mesa-dri" etc. Any idea what the "{a}" indicates? |
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| 16:08.15 | nsadmin | what you do have is... |
| 16:08.22 | iluminator101 | enouf: what you use gnome or kde....i been having a lot issues with gnome seriously considering switching to kde, even though its not gnu |
| 16:09.39 | nsadmin | 10.32.64.* thru gateway 10.64.64.5 |
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| 16:10.04 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: both gateways have the same basic routes, but the routs are listed in a different order. |
| 16:10.05 | nsadmin | (which I'm unclear about) |
| 16:10.20 | themill | iluminator101: kde is no more or less "GNU" than gnome. It's another free desktop and is also GPL licenced. |
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| 16:11.35 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:11.36 | grandpapadot | Hey guys, we need to provision about 20 servers. I don't want to reinstall each one. I have a good system deployed and I wanted to simply image it. I tried DD but it doesn't seem to like dumping the boot drive. Any suggestions? |
| 16:11.37 | nsadmin | err, more completely: |
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| 16:12.02 | nsadmin | 10.32.64.* thru gateway 10.64.64.5 using interface tun0 |
| 16:12.52 | enouf | iluminator101: neither |
| 16:13.06 | nsadmin | 10.0.* thru gateway 10.0.0.1 using interface wlan0 |
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| 16:13.33 | iluminator101 | themill: I dont believe that is the case, as far i know kde pays trolltech for the right to use qt, in any case....my friend has done tests. gnome vs kde, and gnome was faster and used less memory resources |
| 16:13.41 | nsadmin | what's suspicious to me is the first route uses a gateway that's not in the subnet |
| 16:13.55 | iluminator101 | enouf: what do you then enouf |
| 16:13.58 | nsadmin | it's reachable but it's not actually in the subnet |
| 16:14.02 | brah | iluminator101, are you enough of a bad dude to use GNU/Hurd? |
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| 16:14.18 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: if i blur out the public-facing ip's in the routing tables of the 2 vpn gateways, would it help to look there? |
| 16:14.26 | themill | iluminator101: Qt is GPL licenced, KDE pays nothing to use it |
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| 16:14.50 | themill | iluminator101: anyone who is feeding you this nonsense clearly knows very little |
| 16:15.36 | enouf | iluminator101: a window manager and multitabbed xterms |
| 16:15.36 | iluminator101 | themill: i stand corrected...however....gnome is default in debian, there is a reason for that |
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| 16:15.55 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: I was wondering if you could try the other gateway address in that table... didn't you say 10.64.64.5 has also a 10.32.* addresss |
| 16:15.56 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 16:16.21 | themill | iluminator101: not really. Preference of a couple of people many years ago and resistance to change or presenting too many options to the user at once. |
| 16:16.23 | enouf | grandpapadot: remount / ro |
| 16:16.32 | brah | iluminator101, you can switch the DE right from the installation CD |
| 16:16.35 | nsadmin | in fact 10.32.64.* |
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| 16:17.42 | brah | box1:~# vrms No non-free or contrib packages installed on box1! rms would be proud. |
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| 16:18.44 | iluminator101 | problem with gnome is there is not much of a cohesion between programs, and they are working on that in next major release, i happen to a gnome enthusiastic, a gnomer |
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| 16:19.10 | brah | you happen to the whole gnome? |
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| 16:19.29 | marcompile | Hello, Is there anyway I can make an ARM debian bootstrap with soft-float ? |
| 16:19.46 | Matede | anyone runs 3g internet modem on debian?? |
| 16:19.57 | enouf | try #debian-arm ? |
| 16:20.04 | marcompile | enouf: thanks |
| 16:20.16 | enouf | marcompile: might be on oftc,net |
| 16:20.23 | enouf | or both |
| 16:20.36 | marcompile | enouf: thanks.. will try.. on FN there is only 1 ppl there |
| 16:20.41 | enouf | might be -armel ? |
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| 16:20.48 | enouf | heh |
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| 16:21.00 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: tun1 and tun0 are for 2 seperate vpn's with almost identical setups. the only appreciable difference i've seen is the order of routing rules on teh vpn gateway box itself. the routing for both tun's on teh client is basically the same.. yes? |
| 16:21.00 | enouf | !armel |
| 16:21.00 | dpkg | well, armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort Currently planned to be released with <lenny>. |
| 16:21.11 | nsadmin | what kind of machine is in thse linksys 54g routers? |
| 16:21.27 | marcompile | enouf: I think I can't run armel |
| 16:21.42 | marcompile | marcompile: I can't change my kernel |
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| 16:21.56 | marcompile | enouf: I can't change the kernel |
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| 16:23.53 | d1b | marcompile: its a bit small for debian probably |
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| 16:24.54 | marcompile | d1b: what is small? |
| 16:25.30 | d1b | the wrt |
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| 16:26.53 | nsadmin | d1b: what are the sizes you're using to compare against? |
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| 16:27.50 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: seems that way except one of your clients has both |
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| 16:28.06 | enouf | marcompile: i wouldn |
| 16:28.10 | enouf | 't know |
| 16:28.14 | d1b | nsadmin: don't try it :) |
| 16:28.20 | d1b | not on the wrt54gl |
| 16:28.23 | mogunus | Hello all. I'm on lenny. I've removed gnome and GDM, and I am trying to figure out how to get the older clearlooks theme for my gtk applications. |
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| 16:28.48 | hiwk | mogunus: gtk-theme-switch? |
| 16:28.55 | jaggz- | what's a good data plotting application for x,y,z data point sets? |
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| 16:28.59 | enouf | kc8pxy: compare sysctl settings/outpu? |
| 16:29.04 | enouf | output* |
| 16:29.06 | nsadmin | d1b: what are the details? (without details, you're not backing up what you say and I have to compare to trolling and fud) |
| 16:29.27 | mogunus | hiwk: I do have that installed, and I installed gtk-theme-engines too, but it is using a newer version of clearlooks that I do not like as much |
| 16:29.29 | marcompile | d1b: wrt? |
| 16:29.36 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: both of those clients are the same box.. jsut different pulls. |
| 16:29.37 | enouf | jaggz-: gnuplot? |
| 16:29.38 | hiwk | mogunus: or just edit something like ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 16:29.38 | d1b | nsadmin: the device has like 16mb of ram i think 8mb of storage |
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| 16:29.45 | d1b | you try putting debian on that |
| 16:29.47 | enouf | jaggz-: just a guess |
| 16:29.57 | jaggz- | tried that first but I realize that something more.. new.. might be better.. |
| 16:29.58 | d1b | em debian may also be to big don't know haven't tried. |
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| 16:30.06 | nsadmin | 8 mb? that would be smaller than the ram |
| 16:30.32 | nsadmin | wasn't there one with 32mb ram and a gig of storage? |
| 16:30.44 | d1b | nsadmin: not a wrt54gl |
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| 16:30.49 | enouf | d1b: you could probably squeeze Sarge on that with lowmem option and maybe upgrade - or look at emdebian? |
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| 16:31.01 | jaggz- | gnuplot's actually not working too badly |
| 16:31.07 | d1b | enouf: emdebian maybe but its not really useful to do this. |
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| 16:31.14 | d1b | openwrt is good enough. |
| 16:31.15 | enouf | well, might need woody |
| 16:31.26 | nsadmin | WRT54G? |
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| 16:31.46 | jaggz- | it's a bit slow |
| 16:31.50 | enouf | jaggz-: hrmm, ok - dunno - search? |
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| 16:32.06 | jaggz- | and I'd want some better visualization of the depth |
| 16:32.15 | d1b | just because it will run doesn't mean you should do it :) |
| 16:32.26 | nsadmin | what is the difference between the WRT54G and WRT54GL? |
| 16:32.37 | d1b | nsadmin: off topic:) |
| 16:32.39 | d1b | !openwrt |
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| 16:33.52 | themill | jaggz-: /msg dpkg plotting |
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| 16:34.05 | nsadmin | stop justifying the excuse to throw fud... either share the details or let's all drop this whole line entirely |
| 16:34.16 | d1b | nsadmin: its off topic |
| 16:34.19 | d1b | drop it |
| 16:34.31 | nsadmin | you too then |
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| 16:34.42 | d1b | nsadmin: see above and dont' troll |
| 16:34.46 | nsadmin | I didn't start this :P |
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| 16:35.13 | brabo | i have a debian router that controlls access to internet. from this sytem, i want to have a vpn connection to tunnel 1 protocol over. pptp is configged, ppp0 exists and has got ip info from the vpn server, but i cannot ping the gateway on the vpn network. do i need to add a route? |
| 16:35.23 | nsadmin | you keep this up and I -will- file a formal complaint |
| 16:35.37 | d1b | brabo: probably. |
| 16:35.49 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.51 | brabo | okay ill pastebin route -n? |
| 16:35.55 | d1b | brabo: sure |
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| 16:36.32 | brabo | http://pastebin.com/f329b1d59 |
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| 16:37.05 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: http://dpaste.com/72971/ sysctl.conf seems the same for both. |
| 16:37.58 | brabo | d1b: ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/f32be67bd |
| 16:37.58 | enouf | kc8pxy: no, i meant sysctrl -a ;-) |
| 16:37.59 | enouf | er remove the 'r' |
| 16:38.19 | brabo | and i do already have a iptables script for routing with eth0 as external and eth1 as internal nick (10.0.0.* external, 172.0.0.* internal)\ |
| 16:38.21 | d1b | brabo: not sure. |
| 16:38.34 | brabo | the one route i added seems correct, no? |
| 16:38.42 | brabo | but maybe i need iptable rule too? |
| 16:38.47 | d1b | what happens if you try traceroute it :) does it try hit the internetz |
| 16:38.51 | d1b | brabo: yes probably.. |
| 16:39.13 | brabo | send: operation not permitted |
| 16:39.21 | d1b | brabo: mtr instead ? |
| 16:39.29 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: is the xx.xx.xx.xx the same on both gws? |
| 16:39.33 | brabo | mtr? |
| 16:39.38 | d1b | its a command :) |
| 16:39.39 | yurikoles | What's best fs for storing sources? |
| 16:39.45 | brabo | i'll install it |
| 16:39.54 | d1b | mtr-tiny i think. |
| 16:40.00 | d1b | or it might just be mtr |
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| 16:41.12 | elventails | ok - I realized that my server is being hit by thousands of dns spoofed queries |
| 16:41.29 | brabo | gives nothing. i'm going to look and try to put iptable rule in place to route http traffic over ppp0 |
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| 16:41.34 | elventails | anyone know how to drop that with iptables? I'm dropping the IP but it snot working through the input chain |
| 16:41.38 | brabo | maybe that's first i should try |
| 16:41.44 | drbair_work | my RAID1 array containing an LVM2 pv containing my root fs is not being assembled automatically in initramfs. By dropping to the shell and running mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 and vgchange -ay system, everything comes up ok. I've already tried regenerating mdadm.conf (which looks ok) and my initramfs (also looks ok). Any ideas? I'm up to date on Lenny |
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| 16:43.11 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: sorta, it's the public-facing ip's. i didn't want to give those out. |
| 16:43.14 | enouf | kc8pxy: ouc;a slo checkout udevadm info --query all --path /sys/class/net/tunX or whatecer |
| 16:43.23 | enouf | whatever* |
| 16:43.33 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: so they're not identical? |
| 16:43.34 | enouf | s/ouc;a/could/ |
| 16:43.41 | enouf | also* |
| 16:43.50 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: yes.. they are on 2 different internet connections |
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| 16:44.00 | enouf | kc8pxy: or; ~$ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 16:44.22 | nsadmin | wait, I screwed up on the communication... they're equal, or not equal? |
| 16:44.23 | enouf | erm, not necessarily /ethX per se |
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| 16:45.51 | nsadmin | kc8pxy: I suspected something was up when I saw the netmask differ |
| 16:45.53 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: they are not the same. they are the public ip's for each network. each of the numbers was different. |
| 16:46.11 | nsadmin | great :) thanks for clarifying |
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| 16:52.56 | paissad | i'm using the xfce desktop, but my windows have no border |
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| 16:53.20 | kc8pxy | nsadmin: gar lasppy died... what have you said? |
| 16:53.22 | paissad | does someone have an idea of how to solve that |
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| 16:55.44 | enouf | drbair_work: try /etc/default/mdadm |
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| 16:59.41 | enouf | maybe an old dsl, or grml.org, or slack - or go find woody or sarge - in archives maybe |
| 16:59.59 | paissad | guys, i did something which is not a really good idea ! |
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| 17:00.27 | drbair_work | enouf: looks ok, I configured that with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 17:00.35 | paissad | actually, i added sid main contrib non-free to sources.list and i did " aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 17:00.50 | paissad | btw, i would like to go to lenny now, is it possible ? |
| 17:01.01 | craigevil | !downgrade |
| 17:01.01 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 17:01.12 | jelly | paissad: a reinstallation. |
| 17:01.21 | paissad | jelly, damn it |
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| 17:02.14 | jelly | paissad: some packages may have made incompatible changes to their data. a downgrade like described above may or may not work |
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| 17:02.24 | IRC-Monitor-987 | enouf, i found debian 3.1, now i'm searching for a list of packages |
| 17:02.24 | paissad | jelly, i see |
| 17:02.53 | chops1 | So I have a locally-modified file in an svn checkout that's been deleted in the repo and that I no longer care about -- how do I persuade svn to ignore my changes and just blow the damn thing away? |
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| 17:03.02 | jelly | paissad: in particular postgresql tends to dump and recreate its database on upgrade, making the file downward incompatible |
| 17:03.21 | paissad | jelly, i actually have a problem with postgresl |
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| 17:04.05 | enouf | then add needed modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs perhaps |
| 17:04.36 | paissad | jelly, is it possible to install over the current installation so that i wont need to reinstall some apps like compiz, mplayer, amarok etc ... |
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| 17:05.10 | paissad | i guess i'd better do a real new installation |
| 17:05.37 | jelly | paissad: you can keep or copy /home, /var/mail, and similar user data to the new installation |
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| 17:06.04 | brah | Anybody knowledgeable on CMake? |
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| 17:06.12 | jelly | paissad: also, /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} entries for your users and custom groups |
| 17:06.19 | cypr1nus | hello, what can be the reason that when I want to get access to server using ip 192.168.0.123 i the browser wants to download phtml file, but when I point 192.168.0.123/index.php everything's right? |
| 17:06.24 | paissad | ok |
| 17:06.29 | paissad | thanks |
| 17:06.41 | paissad | it's the last time i go to unstable |
| 17:06.45 | paissad | :-) |
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| 17:07.24 | kbmelo | anybody try update squeeze to sid at last days? |
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| 17:08.06 | brah | When did squeeze come out? |
| 17:08.14 | nsadmin | it hasn't yet |
| 17:08.21 | brah | I tried to upgrade from lenny to squeeze that day. It broke my stuff. |
| 17:08.22 | kbmelo | I know |
| 17:08.23 | Pnux | cypr1nus: either server or browser's config problem |
| 17:08.32 | nsadmin | it's available in prerelease form but it hasn't been "released" |
| 17:08.33 | brah | And I haven't reinstalled yet. Been running with a crippled system since them |
| 17:08.37 | \amethyst | brah: squeeze became 'testing' when lenny was released |
| 17:08.50 | Pnux | kbmelo: squeeze started on feb 14, when lenny was released as stable |
| 17:09.04 | Mark21 | hello, what could the solution be for the following problem: 1 network card (eth0) with 2 IPs (.7 and .8) with for both IPs the same subnet/gateway information. They are both in the same /24. The .7 was attached to this system earlier and the .8 was attached today (after another system with that IP was stopped), why is it possible that I can reach the .7 from other locations and not the .8 (from the same subnet I can reach them both) |
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| 17:09.27 | nsadmin | oh how cute... have a valentine squeeze on debian... |
| 17:09.35 | kbmelo | I know but I'm using that and I want to try sid, but when I try update has blueman conflict |
| 17:09.43 | brah | You remember the date of Valentine's Day? |
| 17:09.45 | brah | That's like.. gay |
| 17:09.56 | Pnux | why not remember it? |
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| 17:10.01 | cypr1nus | server |
| 17:10.06 | cypr1nus | Pnux: server |
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| 17:10.11 | nsadmin | brah: do you get out much? :) |
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| 17:10.15 | \amethyst | brah: I take it you're single? |
| 17:10.20 | Pnux | cypr1nus: do you use apache? |
| 17:10.24 | kbmelo | yah |
| 17:10.26 | enouf | lenny releas |
| 17:10.46 | brah | No, I'm not single |
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| 17:10.48 | brah | I'm just badass |
| 17:10.57 | cypr1nus | Pnux: yep, i've installed apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql and things like that |
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| 17:11.24 | nsadmin | brah: I see so you kick gays so you can say you're badass so that you look better |
| 17:11.33 | nsadmin | gotcha :) |
| 17:11.35 | Pnux | cypr1nus: is it possible that you have index.phtml in the document root for that server? |
| 17:11.36 | brah | In the balls. |
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| 17:12.06 | cypr1nus | Pnux: nope, i've got index.php only with phpinfo(); function |
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| 17:12.55 | Pnux | cypr1nus: whats the source of the file if you download when entering without any path? |
| 17:13.39 | nsadmin | brah: one question you could ask yourself, is who is it who considers you badass for considering violence |
| 17:14.00 | brah | kids say I'm badass |
| 17:14.00 | cypr1nus | Pnux: holly! it's working, dunno how, but working, it fixed itself ;] |
| 17:14.01 | brah | all the time |
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| 17:14.10 | nsadmin | I think you're probably just a hurt little boy |
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| 17:14.48 | Pnux | cypr1nus: that happens, it usually happens to me when the connection between my browser and the server is disconnected for some reason |
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| 17:15.19 | cypr1nus | Pnux: but i'm wokring on virtualized server |
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| 17:15.43 | Pnux | nsadmin: you know it is a fact that homofobic people are often homosexual themselves, they just doesnt know? |
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| 17:16.12 | Pnux | cypr1nus: its probably the browser then |
| 17:16.31 | nsadmin | I'm not going to speculate on that... but he will need to look at that himself if he's ever going to try being authentic and open |
| 17:16.40 | cypr1nus | Pnux: i've restarted all vm's and check everything ok |
| 17:16.58 | nsadmin | that would be a very serious and hard challenge |
| 17:17.13 | Pnux | cypr1nus: thats great |
| 17:17.17 | brah | Or perhaps you take too seriously what people say on the internet. |
| 17:17.39 | cypr1nus | Pnux: no matter of what, thanx for halp |
| 17:17.40 | nsadmin | could be, I've done it before |
| 17:17.41 | cypr1nus | help |
| 17:17.59 | Pnux | nsadmin: yeah, just leave the idiots be idiots |
| 17:18.02 | Pnux | cypr1nus: no probs |
| 17:18.29 | nsadmin | brah: or you could look at it as the gift of a challenge |
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| 17:18.53 | brah | You probably think Maddox is gay too, don't you? |
| 17:19.06 | upIRC | maybe he's Bi |
| 17:19.17 | upIRC | it's curable ;) |
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| 17:21.04 | nsadmin | who is Maddox? |
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| 17:21.46 | Pnux | nsadmin: dont get on his level, just drop it |
| 17:22.19 | nsadmin | he is inferring a level, isn't he |
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| 17:23.10 | brah | It's the author of The Alphabet of Manliness, one of Amazon's best selling books. |
| 17:23.24 | lindenle | Hi guys, having a hell of a time getting a printer configured to work in kde4 (squeeze), any suggestions? |
| 17:23.27 | brah | No wonder you didn't understand the 'remembering Valentine's Day is gay' |
| 17:23.30 | brah | It was a joke. |
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| 17:24.12 | nsadmin | I'll just wrap this up... brah: how many women do you know have interest in valentine's day? Other than their birthday it's probably the date they most excitedly anticipate |
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| 17:24.26 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:24.44 | deego | [stable] After today's dbus-x11 upgrade, I only see a blank screen when starting gdm/kdm... and the monitor powers off... anyone else see this too? |
| 17:24.50 | Pnux | lindenle: you _HAVE_ to be more specific if you want to get any help |
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| 17:25.09 | deego | (no gdm/kdm errors are reported. I --reinstalled everything as well, no luck) |
| 17:25.15 | nsadmin | lindenle: linux printing howto? |
| 17:25.16 | brah | That's not even the point. I was implying real men are badass and don't remember that kind of stuff. Which was obviously a joke you don't seem to get. |
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| 17:25.42 | nsadmin | brah: but are real badasses men? |
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| 17:25.45 | Pnux | deego: which branch? |
| 17:25.51 | deego | pnux: stable. |
| 17:25.51 | brah | Sarcasm, bro. |
| 17:26.09 | deego | pnux: today there was a security upgrade for dbus-x11 |
| 17:26.28 | fxiny | today ? are you sure ? |
| 17:26.36 | deego | yes |
| 17:26.38 | fxiny | bind9 |
| 17:26.43 | Pnux | deego: couldnt know, im not using stable |
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| 17:27.31 | fxiny | bind9 and kernel |
| 17:27.35 | deego | np, any hints on what I should check.? |
| 17:27.50 | deego | fxiny: let me fetch the link |
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| 17:28.02 | nsadmin | brah: at the risk of having this continue here, I'll acknowledge that we have a difference of opinion on what's funny |
| 17:28.04 | brah | 13 updates available today |
| 17:28.31 | brah | nsadmin, http://maddox.xmission.com/ |
| 17:28.38 | deego | yes, you are right. dbus was upgraded on 18th july, not today. (But, after that, I rebooted only today, and the probelm showed up.) |
| 17:28.44 | nsadmin | violent attitudes start wars, and that's never funny |
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| 17:29.00 | deego | (anyone rebooted lately after 18th july?) |
| 17:29.09 | Pnux | aptitude --purge reinstall dbus-x11? |
| 17:29.13 | deego | I did |
| 17:29.33 | lindenle | Pnux: I go through the web interface ad dthe printer and then put in root password for auth but nothing happens and i get a blank page (using the cups interface). |
| 17:29.37 | brah | bind, kernel, and openexr updates |
| 17:29.43 | fxiny | deego: bus fix has been uploaded the 18 of this month |
| 17:29.48 | fxiny | dbus* |
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| 17:30.26 | paxcoder | themill: abrotman: poncha|work: update from yesterday: I've my login module *from scratch*, and it's now relatively different (eg. less code). Once again, it works in Epiphany and fails in Iceweasel. |
| 17:30.34 | paxcoder | *written |
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| 17:32.06 | abrotman | paxcoder: are you going to share the code? |
| 17:32.18 | paxcoder | do you want me to? |
| 17:32.31 | paxcoder | But generally, sure, it's still GPL3. |
| 17:32.49 | abrotman | well .. what if there's a bug in your code! |
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| 17:33.08 | nsadmin | possibly there is... have you tried firefox too? |
| 17:33.31 | paxcoder | people, it works in epiphany, and I have re-written it from scratch, are you kidding me? |
| 17:33.50 | Tagor | I'm trying to setup Sendmail. I have a domain with a MX-record that points to 22.22.22.22. When I sent an e-mail tot that domain I get an error message back that says 'host not found'. According to netstat it is listening on 22.22.22.22:25 Does anyone know what's wrong? |
| 17:34.00 | paxcoder | nsadmin: I don't have firefox. |
| 17:34.05 | nsadmin | like a buildityourself or a ubuntu chroot or something |
| 17:34.09 | abrotman | paxcoder: so it can't have a bug ? |
| 17:34.23 | paxcoder | abrotman: unless there's a browser specific one, no. |
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| 17:34.27 | abrotman | Tagor: dig -tMX foo.com |
| 17:34.29 | Pnux | paxcoder: in which language is this login module written? |
| 17:34.32 | paxcoder | do you want the code or what? |
| 17:34.33 | nsadmin | just look between the tubes and their sockets :) |
| 17:34.36 | paxcoder | Pnux: php |
| 17:35.05 | Pnux | paxcoder: php is browser independant, there must be something wrong with your iceweasel |
| 17:35.17 | paxcoder | that's what I'm trying to say. |
| 17:35.29 | nsadmin | 22.22.22.22 doesn't respond to pings... |
| 17:35.32 | paxcoder | but even now abrotman doesn't believe me. |
| 17:35.39 | paxcoder | ts ts ts :-) |
| 17:35.40 | themill | Pnux: only CSS is more of a minefield than cookie behaviour... |
| 17:35.44 | Pnux | why dont you show us the script, epiphany's and iceweasel's output |
| 17:35.55 | Pnux | ? |
| 17:36.04 | brah | Is it different output, or just general poor rendering/malfunctioning? |
| 17:36.13 | paxcoder | one fresh script coming up... |
| 17:36.18 | nsadmin | yeah, cookies are hard to get right |
| 17:36.20 | abrotman | paxcoder: i didn't say that .. but i do know that some are finicky about the cookie path .. which themill asked you about hours ago and you never responded |
| 17:36.27 | Pnux | or even better, if you have it uploaded somewhere, provide the link |
| 17:36.50 | paxcoder | abrotman: didn't notice that...? |
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| 17:37.06 | paxcoder | I don't. Unfortunately. Too insecure to upload atm. |
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| 17:37.21 | Pnux | i see |
| 17:37.27 | Tagor | Thanks abrotman, forgot the . so it was a DNS issue :) |
| 17:37.35 | Pnux | not to worry, PHP source should be enough |
| 17:37.39 | Tagor | nsadmin >> lol it was an example |
| 17:38.03 | paxcoder | Pnux: http://pastebin.com/d20d3d22e <-- pretty much self explanatory if you read the comments |
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| 17:38.31 | nsadmin | not ready to learn php yet |
| 17:38.50 | brah | PHP is very easy. |
| 17:38.50 | paxcoder | nsadmin: don't be afraid. it's just me :-) |
| 17:38.52 | brah | Very C like |
| 17:39.10 | maligor | Just like LSD |
| 17:39.17 | abrotman | paxcoder: and i'm pretty sure that themill also mentioned about not using setcookie |
| 17:39.38 | maligor | I like python or ruby over php |
| 17:39.58 | maligor | php is such a mess |
| 17:40.03 | nsadmin | just like that snake in THe Jungle Book... "Trussssst in meeee... jusssst in meee... close your eyes and trussst in me..." |
| 17:40.05 | abrotman | this is not #language-wars |
| 17:40.14 | maligor | abrotman, aye, sorry |
| 17:40.29 | brah | I don't like Python (had to use it for 2 years, so I have my reasons) |
| 17:40.32 | brah | Ruby is perfect |
| 17:40.35 | brah | and PHP is okay |
| 17:40.59 | nsadmin | I had issues over tcl, now I think it's very clean and deep |
| 17:41.28 | paxcoder | abrotman: I see no "deprecated" in the current php manual |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | paxcoder: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490307 ? |
| 17:41.52 | Pnux | abrotman: not setting cookies with setcookie() would be a pain in the parse |
| 17:41.58 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502097 |
| 17:42.04 | nsadmin | you can make your own control structures, like customized/specialized foreaches with special breakout commands |
| 17:42.07 | abrotman | Pnux: he's already using a session ? |
| 17:42.12 | brah | Python is a very good entry level language, tho. |
| 17:42.18 | deego | fxiny: yes, it was applied the 18th of the month. |
| 17:42.22 | paxcoder | abrotman: well THANK YOU. I've been busting my arse for 3 days now. |
| 17:42.31 | themill | !btssmite paxcoder |
| 17:42.31 | dpkg | beats paxcoder around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if paxcoder is running testing or unstable |
| 17:42.33 | deego | fxiny: you are right.. but I rebooted only today after that |
| 17:42.38 | nsadmin | brah: what was one thing you ran into with python? |
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| 17:42.44 | abrotman | paxcoder: just imagine if you had gone to http://bugs.debian.org/iceweasel .. ctrl-f "cookie" |
| 17:42.55 | themill | paxcoder: setcookie is for setting cookies for things *other* than login cookies. Login cookies (and things like username etc) should be done just with the session_* commands. There's no need for setcookie() in them. |
| 17:43.05 | fxiny | deego: no porbs |
| 17:43.05 | paxcoder | foavorites bugs.debian, while still mad at skeptic people |
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| 17:43.21 | brah | I.E. functions that work on strings but not on array elements that are strings |
| 17:43.21 | Pnux | abrotman: yeah, he is |
| 17:43.32 | brah | and such heterogenity |
| 17:43.37 | themill | paxcoder: and am I right in saying that you put the user's password in to the cookie? And I won't ask what happens if the user sticks a space into their username. |
| 17:43.51 | paxcoder | themill: still I win, and Iceweasel looses. |
| 17:43.56 | nsadmin | so it doesn't consider values to be first-class objects |
| 17:43.58 | brah | Can't remember right now, but my work was based on files. |
| 17:44.05 | paxcoder | themill: not the password, just the hash |
| 17:44.23 | paxcoder | themill: who makes usernames with spaces allowed? |
| 17:44.29 | themill | paxcoder: so user_identify() takes either a username or hash? |
| 17:44.30 | nsadmin | which is weird because python considers itself object-oriented |
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| 17:44.42 | brah | Exactly. |
| 17:44.47 | paxcoder | themill: password or hash, correct |
| 17:44.52 | themill | paxcoder: weird. |
| 17:44.54 | paxcoder | (with username) |
| 17:45.00 | paxcoder | (or id ;-) ) |
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| 17:45.36 | brah | Ruby has such homogeneity which is excellent. The same method applies for a lot of objects which are similar. |
| 17:45.45 | paxcoder | themill: however, nice php code reading skills. |
| 17:45.49 | themill | paxcoder: also, I doubt the bug that abrotman posted is the one that is affecting you. That's a very old bug and seems to require you to exit the browser. |
| 17:46.01 | paxcoder | themill: that's correct. |
| 17:46.08 | nsadmin | brah: so I'm guessing that the function involved didn't see the kind of similarity you were expecting |
| 17:46.22 | paxcoder | I have a cookie untill I exit (IF I exit shortly after it's set) |
| 17:46.31 | brah | If I'm not mistaken (haven't had the chance to use ruby much) you can use a length method for arrays, strings, integers. |
| 17:46.34 | paxcoder | If I wait long enough, it gets stored |
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| 17:47.18 | nsadmin | brah: yeah, I think that's because length is a method of all those types |
| 17:47.27 | paxcoder | themill: do you think I should post another bug, since I know more? (time has effect) |
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| 17:47.35 | paxcoder | *bug report |
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| 17:47.54 | themill | paxcoder: have you tried reproducing this with a clean profile? |
| 17:48.04 | brah | But in python, to get the length of a string, the number of items in an array or the amount of digits in an integer, it's all different methods. |
| 17:48.18 | nsadmin | brah: I looked into ruby briefly, tried the hello rails world thing, also got into jruby and using netbeans to build user interface... all neat things, but.... |
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| 17:48.19 | enouf | sorry drbair_work - i didn't preface with your nick - seen my message? |
| 17:48.59 | brah | Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Ruby fanboy. I don't even use it. |
| 17:49.01 | nsadmin | brah: ruby's library of classes and how they're implemented don't lend themselves well toward recursion |
| 17:49.02 | brah | I use PHP and PHP-cli |
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| 17:49.18 | themill | points nsadmin and brah into #debian-offtopic for their language discussion |
| 17:49.40 | paxcoder | themill: no, i thought this was clear enough. You can print out the cookie contents at the end, you get a different hash value then what's read when you re-start the browser (more accurately: the cookie contains the old value) |
| 17:49.52 | paxcoder | but shouldn't be hard. |
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| 17:50.07 | nsadmin | final comment, I don't think that's ruby per se, just how its types are structured |
| 17:50.20 | themill | paxcoder: the bug log says that the bug is not present if you start with a clean profile (I presume as opposed to one upgraded from iceweasel 2) |
| 17:50.20 | brah | I agree. |
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| 17:50.54 | paxcoder | themill: do you suggest apt-get reinstall? |
| 17:51.06 | themill | paxcoder: no, it's your personal profile. ~/.mozilla |
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| 17:51.12 | themill | paxcoder: anything that is fixed by creating a fresh profile is generally considered by the mozilla developers to not be a bug and there's little debian can do about that. |
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| 17:51.53 | paxcoder | themill: is there a way to make sure I've run 2 before? |
| 17:52.02 | dingus9 | any one know how to make a serial connection from the linux console? IE: from /dev/tty1 |
| 17:52.17 | asg | dingus9: use minicom or ser2net |
| 17:52.36 | themill | paxcoder: huh? You want to try this with a fresh profile and you'll probably not see the bug. run "iceweasel -ProfileManager" and create a new one then try it out. |
| 17:52.48 | paxcoder | will do. |
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| 17:52.55 | RichiH | dingus9: use screen |
| 17:53.04 | RichiH | dingus9: minicom is evil |
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| 17:53.30 | maligor | yeah, ckermit is probably the best for serial |
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| 17:53.41 | asg | RichiH: but it brings back the nostalgia of procom, telix, and telemate :P |
| 17:53.52 | maligor | ckermit isn't that simple to use however |
| 17:54.06 | themill | paxcoder: you might also like to add another "found" tag to the bug with the version currently in squeeze. Also test out to see if this is fixed in iceweasel 3.5 from experimental and if it is, you can note that too in the bug log. Don't file another bug report, add additional *useful* information to #490307 |
| 17:54.06 | paxcoder | themill: darnit! It works. |
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| 17:54.49 | dingus9 | RichiH: |
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| 17:55.02 | dingus9 | RichiH: but it says friendly ;) |
| 17:55.06 | ruadh | Hi |
| 17:55.31 | themill | paxcoder: "bts found 490307 3.0.9-1" |
| 17:55.37 | PerfDave | Bah, I thought dpkg had a good overview of UNIX mail (MTAs, MDAs etc.) but I can't find the factoid :/ |
| 17:55.52 | lindenle | Does anyone have a location i can use to PXE install debian? I want to try PXE in virtualbox. |
| 17:55.54 | paxcoder | themill: bts? |
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| 17:55.56 | themill | dpkg: tell paxcoder about mta comparison |
| 17:56.06 | themill | paxcoder: it's a command in the devscripts package |
| 17:56.07 | nsadmin | PerfDave: didn't you say you're trying to do sendmail? |
| 17:56.19 | themill | dpkg: tell PerfDave about mta comparison |
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| 17:56.22 | PerfDave | nsadmin: I didn't say anything about anything |
| 17:56.24 | themill | second time lucky |
| 17:56.25 | grandpapadot | lindenle: You can make a USB install key in about 5 minutes. |
| 17:56.35 | gangsterlicious | o'rly |
| 17:56.48 | ruadh | Can anyone tell me how I should install a .deb application in the server? |
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| 17:57.01 | Tagor | I have added the domain domain.com to the local domains of Sendmail. But the problem is that it also delivers mail that was sent to root@domain.com. I only want Sendmail to deliver e-mails that were sent to certain addresses (like test@domain.com myaddress@domain.com). Is there a way to prevent it seeing local accounts as external e-mail addresses? |
| 17:57.01 | grandpapadot | dpkg -i somepackage.deb |
| 17:57.01 | dpkg | installs somepackage.deb into grandpapadot's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 17:57.07 | fxiny | enouf: !! |
| 17:57.07 | nsadmin | ruadh: is the server running debian? |
| 17:57.15 | ruadh | aye |
| 17:57.26 | ajavid | fxiny, hello |
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| 17:57.32 | maligor | you should also trust the package source :P |
| 17:57.36 | fxiny | ajavid: hi |
| 17:57.37 | nsadmin | then it's the same as on any other debian box |
| 17:57.40 | ajavid | fxiny, how are you doing? |
| 17:57.42 | PerfDave | That's not what I'm thinking of, themill - it was more about how mail works on UNIX systems. |
| 17:57.45 | ajavid | fxiny, register your nickname yet? |
| 17:57.48 | ajavid | ;) |
| 17:57.57 | nsadmin | or more to the point decide if you trust the package source |
| 17:58.06 | drbair_work | enouf: about the modules and update-initramfs? |
| 17:58.19 | fxiny | ajavid: nope |
| 17:58.32 | ajavid | fxiny, /msg nickserv help register |
| 17:58.39 | lindenle | grandpapadot: yes but I am trying to test PXE with virtualbox |
| 17:58.45 | paxcoder | themill: will it allow me to add additional info? |
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| 17:59.05 | ajavid | lindenle, good way to test |
| 17:59.26 | lindenle | ajavid: exactly |
| 17:59.37 | themill | paxcoder: man bts, you can add a comment. If you have a lot to add, it's easier to send a mail to control@bugs.debian.org and Cc it to bugnumber@bugs.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ for more information |
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| 18:00.27 | themill | PerfDave: don't think I've ever seen it, sorry... |
| 18:00.35 | PerfDave | Ah well |
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| 18:01.18 | abrotman | PerfDave: do you remember any of the content ? |
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| 18:02.30 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
| 18:02.39 | enouf | drbair_work: yep |
| 18:02.41 | PerfDave | Aaah, I remember, it was greycat's: http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:03.04 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 18:03.05 | enouf | drbair_work: did setup ever work properly? |
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| 18:03.40 | enouf | drbair_work: i mean your system, using that setup |
| 18:03.52 | drbair_work | enouf: no, never. I have tried adding the appropriate scsi module and regenerating the initramfs |
| 18:04.13 | enouf | drbair_work: well you need the md and dm modules |
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| 18:04.27 | drbair_work | after it drops me to the shell, I can reassemble it without any problems even by using the provided scripts |
| 18:04.34 | PerfDave | dpkg: mail is also http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:04.34 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
| 18:04.44 | enouf | although they should be already in there - maybe not the dm one isn't - depends |
| 18:04.57 | drbair_work | enouf: so everything it there that it needs, its just loading in the wrong order or going too fast |
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| 18:05.19 | enouf | drbair_work: what's the partition ID types? |
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| 18:05.38 | enouf | drbair_work: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 18:05.45 | drbair_work | enouf: autoraid |
| 18:06.05 | paxcoder | themill: I just do --interactive and then edit the message before I send it? |
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| 18:07.44 | enouf | drbair_work: no FD? |
| 18:08.05 | enouf | not* |
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| 18:09.25 | enouf | drbair_work: if you wanted to, a cheesy workaround would be using /etc/rc.local - oh you mean you get dropped to initramfs shell (busybox) due to failure to assemble and mount / FS? |
| 18:09.40 | drbair_work | enouf: yes, fd (linux raid auto) |
| 18:09.48 | enouf | ok |
| 18:09.50 | drbair_work | enouf: right |
| 18:10.13 | enouf | drbair_work: can you pastebin fdisk -l ? |
| 18:10.25 | drbair_work | it seems like it's trying to assemble the array before the drives are ready |
| 18:10.42 | enouf | ready how? try rootdelay=20 |
| 18:10.55 | enouf | drbair_work: ^^^^ |
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| 18:12.54 | enouf | drbair_work: is fd correct when using lvm? maybe try 8e ? |
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| 18:13.24 | enouf | i mean mdam+lvm on top |
| 18:13.38 | drbair_work | enouf: yes, fd is still correct since md is on the bottom |
| 18:14.00 | yurikoles | hoe to tell wget to ignore robots.txt |
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| 18:14.10 | yurikoles | how to tell wget to ignore robots.txt |
| 18:14.53 | mjt | yurikoles: how about man wget and search for robots? |
| 18:15.14 | drbair_work | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m1e6db53b <- fdisk -l on the raid disks |
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| 18:16.01 | enouf | drbair_work: and why is vgchange -ay needed? are their UUIDs, or /dev/mapper/VG names not being accepted at boot time? |
| 18:16.54 | drbair_work | enouf: the md array isn't up when the lvm script runs |
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| 18:17.07 | yurikoles | it doesn't help me |
| 18:17.14 | abrotman | yurikoles: i think wget has an option to exclude certain regexp files |
| 18:18.17 | nsadmin | yurikoles: then you're before the point where you have the skill to understand reference material... not a bad thing per se, but it's worth the work necessary to get the skill |
| 18:18.24 | enouf | drbair_work: so it's def an mdadm issue .. is that Lenny? any custom kernel? |
| 18:18.26 | drbair_work | enouf: it seems that bootlogd starts up too late to get anythign useful |
| 18:18.28 | mjt | i think i've seen an option like --no-robots or something |
| 18:18.36 | drbair_work | enouf: lenny, also tried lenny backports for grins |
| 18:19.00 | drbair_work | I'll give rootdelay a try |
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| 18:19.23 | enouf | drbair_work: you can pause the boot using Scrolllock key and take a pic of monitor and upload tp picpaste.com? |
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| 18:19.55 | mjt | yurikoles: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wget+robots.txt |
| 18:19.57 | enouf | drbair_work: shift+pageup/down then any key should let the boot finish |
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| 18:20.18 | mjt | yurikoles: first hit |
| 18:20.26 | yurikoles | ololo |
| 18:20.31 | hochron | if I do a m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source, do I have too have a modules section in xorg.conf? |
| 18:20.37 | drbair_work | enouf: not immediately, but I'll do that in a bit. basically the only interesting bit is mdadm complaining that /dev/md1 has no disks |
| 18:20.39 | abrotman | mjt: did you cheat and search the web? |
| 18:20.41 | yurikoles | Captain Obvius on the conncetion |
| 18:20.42 | hochron | to |
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| 18:21.19 | enouf | hochron: not really? is there a man nvidia? you need "driver" "nvidia" though |
| 18:21.33 | enouf | i think xorg will autoload needed modules |
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| 18:21.53 | hochron | I have that, this box is not the one I am having trouble with |
| 18:22.21 | hochron | ok enof, thats nice |
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| 18:23.02 | yurikoles | -e robots=off |
| 18:23.07 | enouf | drbair_work: are they (the disks that comprise md1) on a separate controller? |
| 18:23.11 | hochron | hmm maybe I should try step 2 of http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:23.41 | drbair_work | enouf: the same as each other if that's what you mean. There's three controllers total on the system |
| 18:24.13 | Suppermann | Hello. I am trying to get the mic work with my soundcard so I decided to download a new driver. The only linux driver available is for redhat kernel 2.4.x. Could it work? or should I avoid trying? |
| 18:24.21 | enouf | drbair_work: so three of the same? and it's not hardware raid controller, right? |
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| 18:24.38 | enouf | drbair_work: or any Addin PCI controller? |
| 18:24.42 | drbair_work | enouf: three different. this one is not a hardware controller but the other two are |
| 18:24.55 | enouf | drbair_work: which on md1? |
| 18:24.56 | drbair_work | the other two are PCIe addins |
| 18:25.02 | abrotman | Suppermann: the driver is already in the kernel in most cases .. i doubt you need to do much to make it work |
| 18:25.08 | drbair_work | the md1 is on the non-raid, onboard controller |
| 18:25.09 | enouf | where does which mdX live drbair_work |
| 18:25.24 | enouf | make a list and pastebin it |
| 18:25.59 | Suppermann | abrotman, well, i have tried everything in alsa to make the mic work, but ican't get it to work. (and yes, i have tested the mic on another computer) |
| 18:26.25 | enouf | drbair_work: match up disk with lspci -nnk output - did you say Lenny? then no -k for you,IIRC |
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| 18:30.25 | abrotman | Suppermann: you raised all the levels and made sure it was unmuted ? |
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| 18:30.38 | Suppermann | abrotman, yes |
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| 18:30.51 | Suppermann | I even tried all the switches |
| 18:30.54 | drbair_work | enouf: how's this? http://pastebin.com/m4be9c697 |
| 18:31.11 | drbair_work | notes prepended by big arrows |
| 18:31.15 | abrotman | Suppermann: some cards have a bug .. you might want to try the headphone jack |
| 18:31.30 | Suppermann | what? |
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| 18:34.33 | enouf | drbair_work: that looks all good - but you were supposed at to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update the initrd, /etc/modules is too late |
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| 18:35.09 | enouf | drbair_work: however, both md0 and md1 are on same controller and you get messages that md1 is not available? |
| 18:35.23 | enouf | drbair_work: and md0 is/has '/' ? |
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| 18:36.06 | enouf | drbair_work: is support for your FSType also listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
| 18:36.15 | drbair_work | enouf: md0 is not configured to start in initramfs, so that's fine |
| 18:36.32 | drbair_work | enouf: its ext3, so it better be! I'll look at /etc/initramfs-tools/modules now |
| 18:37.02 | drbair_work | enouf: is there a list of defaults somewhere? |
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| 18:37.17 | enouf | drbair_work: and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf are all ok? |
| 18:37.20 | drbair_work | for the modules that is. right now the file is empty (except comments) |
| 18:37.24 | drbair_work | enouf: yes |
| 18:37.34 | enouf | drbair_work: Lenny? |
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| 18:37.43 | enouf | drbair_work: there ya go |
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| 18:37.57 | enouf | if it's empty then you never added you scsi controller |
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| 18:38.16 | drbair_work | enouf: right, but after it fails I can still assemble the array myself |
| 18:38.17 | enouf | drbair_work: ^^^^^ |
| 18:38.30 | drbair_work | and the module is listed in /proc/modules |
| 18:38.35 | drbair_work | so it is finding it |
| 18:38.41 | enouf | drbair_work: you don't get it? you need it loading from initrd |
| 18:38.49 | drbair_work | enouf: from initramfs shell that is |
| 18:38.53 | enouf | and i told you how to do that - twice - now |
| 18:39.09 | cypr1nus | is there any application in for debian to log every key pressed? |
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| 18:39.14 | cypr1nus | a key logger? |
| 18:39.19 | phurl | hi all. how can I set the APT::system in this ./apt-get -c apt.conf it is not reading the config file. I put in there : APT::System="Debian dpkg interface" ; |
| 18:39.37 | drbair_work | enouf: but by being loaded in the initramfs shell it must be in the initramfs itself, correct? |
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| 18:40.09 | Suppermann | when I try to open "pavumeter --record", it says "connection failed: connection refused" |
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| 18:41.51 | enouf | i see no APT::System option in zgrep -i System configure-index.gz |
| 18:42.22 | enouf | drbair_work: the module is there - update-initramfs will upgrade the scripts/hooks etc |
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| 18:43.14 | enouf | drbair_work: why are you so scared to try? |
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| 18:44.07 | drbair_work | enouf: I'm doing it now, the system takes a while to reboot |
| 18:44.39 | enouf | drbair_work: rootdelay=20 makes it take even longer :-P |
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| 18:47.01 | phurl | ahh it should be APT::System "Debian dpkg interface"; |
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| 18:52.08 | phurl | ok. it works with a single line in the apt.conf |
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| 18:53.05 | enouf | phurl: where is that documented? |
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| 18:53.35 | enouf | you have a apt.conf.d/ dir? |
| 18:53.46 | phurl | let http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en&sa=N&cd=4&ct=rc#oTDZMT3174A/src/pkgs/apt-get.sh&q=%22Debian%20dpkg%20interface%22 |
| 18:54.00 | phurl | enouf, i am trying to setup a standalone user mode apt |
| 18:54.17 | phurl | for my hosted server where i cannot change the global settings. |
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| 18:55.21 | enouf | that's not a valid url or something |
| 18:55.26 | phurl | hold |
| 18:55.42 | phurl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.42 | phurl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.43 | phurl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.54 | phurl | downloads.sourceforge.net/salvare/salvare-0.1.5.tar.gz from |
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| 18:56.12 | enouf | oh works in IW - nastily coded web pages |
| 18:56.23 | phurl | "Debian dpkg interface" i just google code searched that string. |
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| 18:57.06 | yurikoles | how to fix DSA-1847-1 bind9 -- improper assert in testing? |
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| 18:57.32 | enouf | phurl: yeah, but it's not listed in any/all docs i've searched |
| 18:58.02 | enouf | so maybe apt pkg isn't compiled with it as supporting that? but is an option during compile? |
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| 18:59.21 | enouf | yurikoles: i think your security line - for testing unstable just update/upgrade ... oh wait! sorry that's the DBUS fix |
| 19:00.08 | yurikoles | and why bugtracker so slow? |
| 19:00.10 | enouf | still should be same -- update/upgrade ... /msg dpkg security |
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| 19:00.22 | Tapout | I've got the new updated kernel stuff from aptitude, how can I tell what revision of the kernel is running right now? uname -a just shows.. "new 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 28 21:28:49 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 19:00.24 | abrotman | yurikoles: you wait for it to get fixed .. you shouldn't be using it for a server |
| 19:00.30 | mjt | /msg dpkg security |
| 19:00.33 | mjt | damn |
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| 19:00.49 | enouf | cat /proc/version |
| 19:00.49 | yurikoles | but they fixed sid! |
| 19:01.09 | abrotman | so wait 2-10 days |
| 19:01.12 | yurikoles | !tell me about security |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | !tell yurikoles about selftell |
| 19:01.22 | Titan8990_ | Tapout, thats revision 2 of the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 19:01.24 | Tapout | ohh i've got -15 running, thanks |
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| 19:01.39 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:01.43 | Tapout | thanks enouf, i see the Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3 |
| 19:01.46 | phurl | enouf, apt is not really documented or coded stasndardly |
| 19:01.59 | Tapout | Titan8990_, i wanted to see the Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3 .. -15 to know that now it's on -17 and read teh changelog |
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| 19:03.01 | pozic | Is there a commmand which translates "5pm EST" to my local time? |
| 19:03.54 | jelly-home | pozic: date -d '5pm EST' |
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| 19:04.37 | pozic | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 19:05.57 | enouf | phurl: i don't know what you mean, but ok ;-) |
| 19:06.12 | pozic | Does anyone here know decent backup software that runs under Windows? If there is nothing available under Windows, I am willing to install something under Linux, but it would be less practical for the actual users. |
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| 19:06.44 | zinx | pozic: try ##windows or such |
| 19:06.47 | jimcooncat | pozic: rsync |
| 19:06.54 | pozic | zinx: already did so |
| 19:07.06 | pozic | Bacula seems shiny. |
| 19:07.14 | pozic | And is multi-platform. |
| 19:07.28 | petemc | pozic: do you need it to work on debian as well?\ |
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| 19:07.39 | Titan8990_ | pozic, rsync +1 |
| 19:07.46 | pozic | petemc: no, but it would be beneficial for the future. |
| 19:07.57 | petemc | why ask here then? |
| 19:07.57 | Titan8990_ | pozic, then your asking the wrong channel |
| 19:08.28 | enouf | pozic: the one i know of the has windows/samba abilities is backuppc |
| 19:08.37 | enouf | some/many/not sure |
| 19:08.38 | Titan8990_ | use ntbackup or robocopy, and feel free to never speak of winodws here again.... |
| 19:09.19 | pozic | petemc: because I answer questions here too and I do not see what is wrong to ask something else then. |
| 19:09.35 | jimcooncat | ... really should run a backup server on debian, even if it pulls files from foreign boxes. |
| 19:10.10 | petemc | i use dirvish to backup files from windows shares via samba, works well for me |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman | pozic: because the channel is not meant for windows support |
| 19:10.26 | jelly-home | pozic: topical channels don't work that way; everyone should ask in the correct place, regardless of whether they're a regular on #foo-support or not |
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| 19:12.09 | pozic | Ok, since Bacula is multi-platform, is Bacula a bad idea or has nobody used it? |
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| 19:12.51 | smacnay | pozic, I put bacula on my machine and realized there was some major tinkering to make it work... at least for me. |
| 19:12.55 | enouf | pozic: "This tutorial shows how you can back up Linux and Windows systems with BackupPC. BackupPC acts as a server and is installed on a Linux system, and from there it can connect to all Linux and Windows systems in your local network to back them up and restore them without interfering with the user's work on that system." http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_backuppc |
| 19:13.13 | yurikoles | After enabling http://security.debian.org stable/updates/ on testing I got 22 updates! |
| 19:13.23 | smacnay | I use rdiff-backup but only do my own machine. It might work over a samba share... not sure. |
| 19:13.23 | abrotman | yurikoles: that's not a very good idea |
| 19:13.49 | jimcooncat | It's overkill. I just run rsnapshot on my linux box, and it pulls from my samba shares. Very simple, no fuss. |
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| 19:14.06 | enouf | sure, things like backuppc, bacula, amanda maybe even too, are the more high-level complicated solutions to tar/gz/rdiff/rsync/rdiff-back/divert, etc |
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| 19:15.12 | pozic | enouf: I explained you already about power and all that. There is no technical reason to have a server do the backup given the requirements. Yes, technically it might be easier. |
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| 19:16.24 | enouf | power? |
| 19:16.40 | enouf | i guess i missed that, whatever it was |
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| 19:16.53 | abrotman | He-man style ... |
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| 19:17.16 | enouf | ahh s/divert/dirvish/ |
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| 19:18.11 | Snadder | Anyone know what could be wrong with my ftp server when lsof -i displays the server.. but telnet to the port gives connection refused? |
| 19:18.23 | smacnay | likes rdiff-backup because it updates only changed files so doesn't use a lot of extra space... |
| 19:18.41 | pozic | enouf: energy, that was yesterday, I believe. |
| 19:18.56 | enouf | if you say so |
| 19:19.17 | jelly-home | Snadder: what exactly does lsof -i show? (add -n, too) Do you have any firewall (rules) between the machine doing a telnet and the server? |
| 19:19.27 | yurikoles | Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 19:19.43 | CodeNinja | how can I configure a combination scanner/printer? its a Lexmark X3550 |
| 19:19.43 | jimcooncat | smacnay: I like rdiff-backup too, but I stay with rsnapshot because the archives are easier to get to. Wasn't there some fuse filesystem that was supposed to help with rdiff-backup archives? |
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| 19:20.01 | jelly-home | yurikoles: you read news! Good for you! |
| 19:20.44 | sessizce | i installed system without desktop manager. after that i installed gnome-core and gdm packages. now my system's language is turkish and english mixed. what can i do :( |
| 19:20.46 | Toast1 | yurikoles: Very interesting... I think it will be an improvement, but will wait and see. |
| 19:21.32 | yurikoles | >Freezes will from now on happen in the December of every odd year, which means that releases will from now on happen sometime in the first half of every even year. |
| 19:21.59 | smacnay | jimcooncat, probably - I tried fuse some time ago but not in ages |
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| 19:22.11 | enouf | as i said 04-01 ;-) |
| 19:22.32 | Toast1 | yurikoles: I assume that lines up with Ubuntu lts? |
| 19:22.41 | abrotman | just read the news article |
| 19:22.51 | Snadder | jelly-home, http://pastebin.ca/1511373 I'm telnetting from localhost.. And my firewall is off |
| 19:22.58 | enouf | sessizce: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 19:23.36 | enouf | sessizce: to change keymaps? likely ~/.xmodmap or xorg.conf |
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| 19:23.47 | sessizce | keymaps is correct |
| 19:23.53 | enouf | !keymap |
| 19:23.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 19:23.55 | sessizce | but system language is wrong |
| 19:23.59 | Snadder | jelly-home: it happend after I upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 19:24.10 | enouf | !locale |
| 19:24.10 | dpkg | methinks locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 19:25.03 | enouf | sessizce: you likely need the -l10 langage pkgs |
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| 19:25.09 | enouf | ? |
| 19:25.24 | enouf | !l10 |
| 19:25.29 | sessizce | which package is it |
| 19:25.31 | enouf | !i18 |
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| 19:25.40 | enouf | wtf dpkg ? |
| 19:25.41 | phurl | back |
| 19:25.49 | jelly-home | Snadder: that is the exact telnet command line used? Is the interface you're trying to connect to up? |
| 19:25.50 | phurl | enouf, where were we? |
| 19:26.10 | enouf | !tell sessizce -about search |
| 19:26.11 | phurl | what was the last line you got from me? i had a dns outage and power failure |
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| 19:26.33 | Snadder | jelly-home: telnet localhost 18000 |
| 19:26.43 | enouf | phurl: nothing ... no worries |
| 19:27.00 | Snadder | jelly-home: internet is up, yes. |
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| 19:27.23 | abrotman | enouf: it's i18n or l10n |
| 19:27.25 | abrotman | !l10n |
| 19:27.25 | dpkg | i heard l10n is an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? |
| 19:27.28 | abrotman | !i18n |
| 19:27.28 | dpkg | i18n is probably an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it?, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ |
| 19:27.34 | enouf | heh |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | enouf: that's why there's the 'n' on the end .. |
| 19:27.59 | stew | !p12n |
| 19:28.00 | enouf | stupid |
| 19:28.06 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:28.25 | Snadder | jelly-home: I figured it out.. it was an error in /etc/services.. where the ftp server takes it port from.. |
| 19:28.34 | Snadder | jelly-home: thanks alot! |
| 19:28.47 | jelly-home | Snadder: a) localhost isn't the "internet" facing interface, and b) your paste shows port ftp used, which is usually 21 not 18000 |
| 19:28.54 | unomystEz | I have a debian box colocated and eth0's IP is .128 and I'm about to attach a new IP alias of .171, all of my SSH and other services are on the .128 but .171 will contain other services that I would prefer to be separate... is it possible for people to determine 1 IP from the other? |
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| 19:29.15 | enouf | Snadder: someone edited /etc/services ? |
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| 19:29.43 | unomystEz | just from a discovery point of view |
| 19:29.44 | jelly-home | Snadder: instead of changing /etc/services, configure your ftp properly. Add a new service line for tcp/18000 if you have to. |
| 19:29.44 | unomystEz | not security |
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| 19:30.15 | unomystEz | I understand both will have the same MAC address and perhaps an ARP lookup might give the other IPs? |
| 19:30.33 | unomystEz | or reverse-arp even |
| 19:30.42 | jelly-home | Snadder: changing this makes things very confusing; /etc/services is meant as a lookup table for well known services, not a config file for them |
| 19:30.43 | Snadder | jelly-home, my ftp server takes the port number to run on from /etc/services.. thats why |
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| 19:31.07 | jelly-home | Snadder: tell it to use a service named differently from "ftp" |
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| 19:31.17 | Snadder | jelly-home, ok |
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| 19:31.53 | pozic | Is there also backup software which uses par2 to protect against hardware failures? |
| 19:31.56 | Dunge | Using Debian Lenny Armel EABI, I installed a few libs using aptitude. When trying to compile my application, I get this error : libglibmm-2.4.so.1: undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream.........@GLIBCXX_3.4.9' ... any idea what went wrong?! Why wouldn't basic_ostream exist in a lib version newer than those I used before? |
| 19:32.28 | maligor | tried -lstdc++? |
| 19:32.56 | Dunge | no, it will include std libs? |
| 19:33.00 | jelly-home | Snadder: unfortunately lsof doesn't apply -n to services lookups, which would have made things much clearer. |
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| 19:34.11 | maligor | Dunge, gcc wouldn't do it by default, g++ does |
| 19:34.38 | Dunge | maligor : I'm using g++... will try anyway |
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| 19:35.55 | maligor | kinda looks to me like something's borked in libglibmm tho |
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| 19:36.43 | racecar56 | im trying to get zlib1g-dev and i get this: "zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-13) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-14 is to be installed" |
| 19:37.57 | Dunge | maligor : still got the error... both in libglibmm-2.4 and libcairomm-1.0 |
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| 19:39.52 | Eulex | I've added an alias to eth0, eth0:1, and set it to auto in /etc/network/interfaces. however, it isn't brought up at boot, even tho ifup -a brings it up. anything I'm missing? |
| 19:40.01 | hochron | Im trying to install flash, do I want the deb file for ubuntu or the tar.gz? |
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| 19:40.11 | racecar56 | ubuntu != debian |
| 19:40.15 | racecar56 | i mean the other way |
| 19:40.17 | orioni_ | hi to all , is there a cmdb / itil package ? |
| 19:40.18 | hochron | i know |
| 19:40.19 | enouf | racecar56: it has to be -13 ? |
| 19:40.19 | racecar56 | it is and isn't |
| 19:40.24 | racecar56 | enouf: yeah... |
| 19:40.28 | racecar56 | enouf: O_o |
| 19:40.40 | enouf | go get it from p.d.o |
| 19:40.52 | racecar56 | i'm on squeeze |
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| 19:41.27 | hochron | so the tar.gz? |
| 19:41.27 | phurl | enouf, i got it working. |
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| 19:41.45 | phurl | enouf, apt-get can now work on fedora to check my debian repository! |
| 19:41.48 | Eulex | hochron: neither, use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:42.07 | hochron | ok thanks Eulex |
| 19:42.57 | phurl | Eulex, i saw your name on a license plate today. what does it mean? |
| 19:43.04 | Eulex | hochron: if you're on stable, it's available through backports.org, otherwise it's available through your normal non-free repo |
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| 19:44.04 | pozic | Does rsnapshot assume a certain file system? |
| 19:44.08 | enouf | phurl: hah! |
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| 19:44.30 | phurl | just uploading the package now |
| 19:44.30 | pozic | E.g. will it work with NTFS? |
| 19:44.35 | phurl | what a hack |
| 19:44.37 | Eulex | phurl: uh, the meaning of 'my' Eulex doesn't match the meaning of other uses of it. |
| 19:45.04 | phurl | Eulex, that is good! i was getting worried that they were here on the channel maintaining law and order |
| 19:45.13 | enouf | pozic: local FStypes doesn't matter where networks are concerned |
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| 19:45.26 | Eulex | phurl: yeah, which is why I'm moving away from this nickname. |
| 19:45.26 | enouf | not sure if that answers |
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| 19:45.55 | Eulex | phurl: had this as a fallback as I'm logged in from another computer too |
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| 19:46.12 | phurl | Eulex, no worries. just checking |
| 19:46.18 | Eulex | :) |
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| 19:46.35 | phurl | http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/ |
| 19:46.54 | Dunge | Using Debian Lenny Armel EABI, I installed a few libs using aptitude. When trying to compile my application, I get this error : libglibmm-2.4.so.1: undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream.........@GLIBCXX_3.4.9' ... any idea what went wrong?! I do have a libstdc++.so/.la file in my cross-compiler lib path, which is included with -L |
| 19:47.11 | Eulex | my nickname is actually a few years older than EULEX |
| 19:47.24 | phurl | you should go after them |
| 19:47.34 | phurl | trademark infringement |
| 19:47.38 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 19:48.35 | Eulex | it's no fun being associated with them at least, I got yelled at for it a month or so ago |
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| 19:52.30 | bullgard4 | What IRC program does the Seamonkey program suite provide? |
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| 19:52.52 | yurikoles | how to download hires pics from 4chan? |
| 19:53.09 | abrotman | yurikoles: what does that have to do with debian ? |
| 19:53.23 | \amethyst | bullgard4: it's called 'chatzilla' |
| 19:53.29 | yurikoles | for example from this thread http://orz.4chan.org/hr/res/694602.html ? |
| 19:53.38 | yurikoles | no |
| 19:53.46 | bullgard4 | \amethyst: Thank you. |
| 19:53.50 | yurikoles | chatzilla is firefox addon |
| 19:54.01 | jelly-home | gives yurikoles a wget. |
| 19:54.03 | yurikoles | is there wget channel? |
| 19:54.07 | yurikoles | LOl |
| 19:54.26 | \amethyst | yurikoles: yes there is |
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| 19:55.58 | \amethyst | surlyjake: empty line at the beginning |
| 19:56.02 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:56.09 | \amethyst | surlyjake: sorry, wrong channel, wrong nick-complete |
| 19:56.15 | surlyjake | .... ok |
| 19:56.23 | jelly-home | wrong \amethyst! |
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| 19:57.33 | racecar56 | im trying to get zlib1g-dev and i get this: "zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-13) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-14 is to be installed" |
| 19:57.56 | mjt | catches another use of {La}TeX macros in #debian... |
| 19:58.11 | racecar56 | i don't know what that is.... |
| 19:58.23 | jelly-home | racecar56: did you at any point in time had enabled or installed packages from a newer release? |
| 19:58.25 | yurikoles | what distribution? |
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| 19:58.37 | yurikoles | on #wget only 3.5 users |
| 19:58.41 | racecar56 | jelly: yes and know |
| 19:58.44 | racecar56 | jelly: *no |
| 19:58.54 | yurikoles | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.00 | racecar56 | jelly: im using squeeze now and i was on lenny and i upgraded to it |
| 19:59.10 | jelly-home | racecar56: pastebin apt-cache policy zlib1g zlib1g-dev; do an aptitude update again |
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| 19:59.30 | jelly-home | racecar56: ok, but you didn't have sid enabled? |
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| 19:59.48 | racecar56 | jelly: no |
| 19:59.48 | hochron | Eulex: I installed flashplugin-nonfree and the webpage still tells me I have to install flash :( |
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| 20:00.39 | jelly-home | yurikoles: identify which hostname is used for the real images; make sure wget follows links/images from that host, too. |
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| 20:00.58 | racecar56 | jelly-home: http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f7a4b6f51 |
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| 20:01.19 | racecar56 | jelly-home: yay for pastebinit |
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| 20:01.37 | yurikoles | thumbs in http://orz.4chan.org/hr/thumb/ hires in http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/ |
| 20:01.55 | jelly-home | racecar56: can you see the issue now? You have a version installed, newer than what's available in squeeze. |
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| 20:02.28 | racecar56 | jelly-home: i guess i'll fetch myself a zlib1g deb from debian's awesome packages site |
| 20:02.56 | jelly-home | racecar56: no need to, just force a downgrade of that package |
| 20:03.05 | racecar56 | jelly-home: how? |
| 20:03.20 | jelly-home | racecar56: aptitude install zlib1g/squeeze, for example |
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| 20:03.53 | racecar56 | jelly-home: "Unable to find an archive "squeeze" for the package "zlib1g"" what the heck |
| 20:04.14 | jelly-home | racecar56: there's also a .... install foo=version syntax. |
| 20:04.18 | enouf | it's likely removed for the newer vresion |
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| 20:04.31 | jelly-home | racecar56: have you done an update recently? |
| 20:04.34 | racecar56 | jelly-home: yes |
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| 20:05.02 | ejos | Greetings! |
| 20:05.21 | enouf | apt-cache show pkgname? |
| 20:05.23 | jelly-home | racecar56: after you do an explicit install with =version or /release, also do aptitude markauto zlib1g |
| 20:05.43 | racecar56 | jelly-home: sudo aptitude install zlib1g=1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-13 did the trick |
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| 20:06.16 | enouf | wonders if you already had the .deb stored in HDD |
| 20:06.59 | jelly-home | racecar56: mmm. I'm not sure why /squeeze didn't work. Perhaps /testing would have. |
| 20:07.09 | racecar56 | jelly-home: ill see |
| 20:07.27 | racecar56 | jelly-home: yes it doesx |
| 20:07.31 | racecar56 | jelly-home: *does |
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| 20:07.45 | revberaldo | Hello there |
| 20:07.54 | jelly-home | racecar56: do you have squeeze or testing listed in sources.list? |
| 20:08.09 | action09 | no kernel upgrade on lenny ? DSA 1845-1 |
| 20:08.16 | racecar56 | jelly-home: squeeze |
| 20:08.22 | racecar56 | jelly-home: O_o |
| 20:09.01 | mjt | is there a way to map a key on a keyboard in X, other than xmodmap? I've several keys on this laptop, xev does not show them at all, but they generate keycodes when read from /dev/input/event*. xmodmap does not work obviously... |
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| 20:09.48 | mjt | "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" "/dev/input/event1" none key/435 -- that's when reading directly |
| 20:09.54 | mjt | (it's a "euro" key) |
| 20:09.55 | ejos | After put a packages on hold and i try to do a safe-upgrade that package is put on upgradeable state; what can i do for mantain in hold ? |
| 20:10.06 | enouf | i can |
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| 20:11.25 | ejos | i was try as that manual says: echo "packages hold" |dpkg --set-selection ... but didn't work |
| 20:11.33 | racecar56 | mjt: AT? XD |
| 20:11.51 | mjt | wt? |
| 20:12.01 | racecar56 | mjt: AT is a really old keyboard connector |
| 20:12.11 | mjt | and? |
| 20:12.32 | enouf | oh you had sid's version .. or not yet, and likely have inapropos pinning |
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| 20:13.02 | enouf | racecar56: you use pinning? |
| 20:13.03 | \amethyst | mjt: http://madduck.net/docs/extending-xkb/ |
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| 20:13.29 | racecar56 | jelly-home: yay that package=version trick is helping me a lot thanks |
| 20:13.30 | \amethyst | mjt: I'm not sure if that will help, though, if X isn't seeing the events |
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| 20:13.36 | racecar56 | enouf: ? |
| 20:13.38 | enouf | racecar56: or maybe another pkg you installed from sid required the sid version of zlib.... |
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| 20:13.54 | \amethyst | mjt: also http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~mikosmul/computing/articles/custom-keyboard-layouts-xkb.html |
| 20:13.54 | racecar56 | enouf: i may have, i don't remember it though |
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| 20:14.10 | Snadder | What is a good image viewing program? |
| 20:14.17 | racecar56 | enouf: i did go in a *BIG* mess of "This is newer than I expected!" mess in the past, though |
| 20:14.37 | \amethyst | Snadder: what features do you need? thumbnails, slideshows, scaling, ... ? |
| 20:14.38 | enouf | racecar56: ok man apt_preferences and /msg dpkg pinning (to answer your ? ) |
| 20:14.50 | racecar56 | enouf: k |
| 20:14.54 | Snadder | \amethyst, only thumbnails |
| 20:15.10 | Snadder | \amethyst, and fit to screen when viewing |
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| 20:15.24 | \amethyst | Snadder: gthumb or feh can both do that I think |
| 20:16.30 | enouf | mjt: maybe a XkbOption in xorg.conf? |
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| 20:16.53 | enouf | Snadder: tried gliv ? |
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| 20:17.12 | fixUp | for reliability is ext3 the best filesystem choice ? |
| 20:17.42 | enouf | haha read(3, 0x8778998, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 20:17.45 | enouf | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 20:17.54 | enouf | fixUp: likely |
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| 20:18.47 | enouf | mjt: is evdev module loaded? |
| 20:19.03 | enouf | mjt: oh likely an X isssu then |
| 20:19.11 | mjt | \amethyst: excellent link, thanks (to both you and madduk ;) |
| 20:19.19 | constantin | hey i have a question...when i view an email in mutt it looks good...when i print it out the umlauts are not recognized...you know what could be the problem? |
| 20:19.55 | mjt | enouf: actually i was about to verify that, because the behavour of X does not indicate that. And indeed, it uses xkb not evdev |
| 20:20.00 | jimcooncat | Snadder: gqview is a snappy graphics viewer too |
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| 20:20.45 | jelly-home | jimcooncat: gliv rules! |
| 20:20.47 | mjt | bah. With current almost-empty xorg.conf there's nothing to modify... |
| 20:20.59 | jelly-home | !start an image viewer war |
| 20:21.30 | KiRLi | how can i connect 1394 my camera? i setup kino but i dont connect camera? |
| 20:21.38 | constantin | jelly-home: nothing beats irfanview :D |
| 20:21.50 | jimcooncat | jelly-home: I do miss IrfanView though. Especially cropping-in-place |
| 20:21.58 | constantin | hehe |
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| 20:22.16 | jelly-home | jimcooncat: sounds like a feature stolen from xv |
| 20:22.38 | mjt | !xorg.conf |
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| 20:28.45 | Pnux | hey, i just force-unloaded alsa, how can i start it again? |
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| 20:29.02 | b0nn | hrm, what do I echo 1 into to get a debian box to route between two different interfaces? |
| 20:29.19 | ajavid | mjt, X -configure |
| 20:30.27 | mjt | ajavid: it does not include keyboard/mouse sections |
| 20:30.48 | Eulex | b0nn, do you perhaps want /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? |
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| 20:30.53 | ajavid | there are examples in /usr/share/doc somewhere |
| 20:30.55 | b0nn | bingo, thanks |
| 20:30.56 | ajavid | example xorg.conf |
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| 20:31.11 | mjt | and for added fun, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg asks all the questions but does not write xorg.conf!.. :( |
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| 20:32.26 | Titan8990_ | mjt, that was taken out in lenny |
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| 20:32.37 | mjt | Titan8990_: so why ask all the questions when? |
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| 20:32.55 | mjt | Titan8990_: and why dpkg bot suggest doing exactly that to generate minimal config?.. |
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| 20:32.56 | Titan8990_ | mjt, use: X --configure , aticonfig --initial or nvidia-xconfig |
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| 20:33.17 | mjt | X -configure does not include input sections |
| 20:33.37 | Titan8990_ | mjt, don't know but the nvidia guide for debian lists the only configuration options for lenny as manual or nvidia-xconfig |
| 20:33.48 | Titan8990_ | mjt, but suggests the dpkg option for other versions |
| 20:33.50 | mjt | i don't have nvidia or ati hardware |
| 20:34.00 | Titan8990_ | mjt, it shouldn't need to, thats all handled by evdev these days |
| 20:34.14 | mjt | here it loads kbd and mouse |
| 20:34.22 | mjt | according to Xorg.0.log |
| 20:34.26 | Titan8990_ | are you using ps/2? |
| 20:34.32 | mjt | it's laptop |
| 20:34.45 | mjt | no idea how it's connected internally |
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| 20:35.03 | mjt | (touchpad and keyboard) |
| 20:35.22 | Titan8990_ | mjt, synaptics will need to be configured for touchpad features such as scrolling |
| 20:35.30 | mjt | it works |
| 20:35.42 | Titan8990_ | mjt, alright... so whats the problem? |
| 20:35.59 | mjt | many keys on this (acer) laptop does not generate any events |
| 20:36.10 | mjt | like euro and dollar keys around arrows |
| 20:36.15 | Titan8990_ | mjt, are they part of the standard 104 key set? |
| 20:36.27 | mjt | definitely not |
| 20:36.39 | ajavid | do you think keytouch might help? |
| 20:36.42 | ajavid | !keytouch |
| 20:36.42 | dpkg | well, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the <multimedia keys> on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html, or in the debian package keytouch. |
| 20:36.43 | Titan8990_ | mjt, oh, i don't know anything about configuring extra keys or multi-national keyboards |
| 20:36.53 | mjt | they generate events when read from /dev/input/event* |
| 20:37.02 | mjt | but xev or xmodmap does not see them |
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| 20:37.34 | mjt | so them to work, as far as i can see, i need evdev module instead of kbd |
| 20:38.32 | mjt | and for that i want minimal xorg.conf to change kbd to evdev |
| 20:38.32 | Pnux | hello, im having an issue with sound.. it wont play anything, not even the system's beep.. how can i narrow down posibilities to figure out whats wrong? |
| 20:38.32 | ajavid | !alsa-checklist |
| 20:38.33 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 20:38.33 | mjt | so we're back to that same queston |
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| 20:38.55 | odla | what package provides docutils? i've ran apt-file search docutils but it list a few different candidates ... |
| 20:39.04 | mjt | ajavid: keytouch should work. But it's a kludge, sorta, because evdev should work too |
| 20:39.22 | ajavid | I filed a bug on it a few weeks ago |
| 20:39.33 | ajavid | waiting for maint to upload to ftpmaster |
| 20:39.35 | mjt | "it" = what? |
| 20:39.39 | ajavid | keytouch |
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| 20:39.57 | ajavid | new version he says would fix it |
| 20:40.02 | mjt | I just need a minimal xorg.conf with keyboard section :) |
| 20:40.18 | ajavid | !dbugs #536191 |
| 20:40.23 | dpkg | DONE:#536191:G[keytouch] keytouch: Amarok plugin saved as XMMS in keyboard file (); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:39:01 UTC [] |
| 20:40.34 | ajavid | read the bugreport, many other bugs too |
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| 20:40.52 | Tagor | I'm trying to pipe e-mail message to a php script with sendmail, but it keeps giving the error 'Local configuration error'. Does anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 20:42.03 | mjt | wug. This is silly. Back at xfree days it was MUCH easier to configure X than now... |
| 20:42.16 | mjt | is it called "progress" ? |
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| 20:43.22 | Pnux | the bot said '3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded?' how can i check that? |
| 20:44.39 | abrotman | 3) ps aux 4) lsmod |
| 20:44.50 | Pnux | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:45.14 | ajavid | Pnux, if you have gnome y ou'd be using esd, if you have kde3, you'd be using arts |
| 20:45.24 | Pnux | im using KDE4 |
| 20:45.27 | Pnux | ajavid: ^ |
| 20:45.57 | marcompile | what about pulseaudio? |
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| 20:46.28 | marcompile | does debian use it? |
| 20:46.35 | pozic | rsync: failed to connect to 192.168.2.101: Connection refused (111) |
| 20:46.36 | pozic | rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(124) [receiver=3.0.6] |
| 20:46.41 | Pnux | pnux 4187 0.2 0.4 104560 5024 ? Ssl 17:36 0:01 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog <= does that mean that pulseaudio is running? |
| 20:46.43 | revberaldo | I can hold a key on my keyboard long time but the Linux only applies one time. Itâs hard to explain. For example, I can hold âaâ by a long time but only one âaâ will be displayed! Can anyone help me? |
| 20:46.46 | Cain | Hi, how to have the listings of users connected via ssh (sftp) ? and what files they download ? |
| 20:47.09 | abrotman | revberaldo: is the repeat off? check the BIOS and your DE settings |
| 20:47.10 | pozic | The ip address is a Windows machine. The "tutorial" didn't say anything about this. |
| 20:47.12 | marcompile | Cain: w ? |
| 20:47.23 | ajavid | who? |
| 20:47.25 | marcompile | Cain: who ? |
| 20:47.36 | Cain | marcompile : w show nothing |
| 20:47.47 | marcompile | Cain: they can access all files acessible by the users |
| 20:47.48 | ajavid | and what they download I dunno how, probably have to run a daemon for that, file monitoring, unless it is logged somewhere by ssh |
| 20:47.51 | Cain | who shows only my ssh connection |
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| 20:47.55 | revberaldo | abrotman: where can I check my DE settings? It's nothing related to the BIOS since in ubuntu it's working well |
| 20:47.57 | marcompile | by the user. |
| 20:48.05 | abrotman | revberaldo: which DE is it? |
| 20:48.45 | unikon | how can i disable screenlock on Debian Lenny |
| 20:48.59 | revberaldo | What's DE? |
| 20:49.12 | abrotman | gnome? kde? |
| 20:49.35 | ajavid | revberaldo, desktop env. |
| 20:49.40 | Pnux | DE = Desktop Environment |
| 20:49.46 | revberaldo | abrotman: oh, I'm sorry. I don't use this abbreviation. I use Fluxbox. |
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| 20:50.04 | abrotman | revberaldo: does the key repeat work in the console ? |
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| 20:50.26 | revberaldo | abrotman: yes, it does. |
| 20:50.56 | abrotman | i'm not aware of any X optoin that turns off repeat |
| 20:51.16 | ajavid | might be the terminal he is using? |
| 20:51.19 | ajavid | what is he using? |
| 20:51.25 | abrotman | in fluxbox |
| 20:51.35 | ajavid | xterm? |
| 20:51.40 | revberaldo | xterm |
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| 20:52.03 | allure | Hello. How can I use gpg -c file on a script? I need to avoid it's prompt... |
| 20:52.05 | abrotman | revberaldo: does it happen in other things like a text editor or browser ? |
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| 20:52.35 | revberaldo | Strange. It suddenly started to work. |
| 20:52.40 | ajavid | http://lists2.ssc.com/pipermail/linux-list/2006-April/026609.html |
| 20:52.41 | abrotman | problem solved! |
| 20:52.44 | revberaldo | Very strange... |
| 20:52.45 | revberaldo | haeuhaeuhaeuhae |
| 20:52.55 | ajavid | [SLL] How set kbd repeat rate in xterm? |
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| 20:53.22 | ajavid | revberaldo, pc is possessed |
| 20:53.24 | marcompile | revberaldo: this IRC channel causes weird influences on computers |
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| 20:53.39 | revberaldo | aehuehauhaeuh for sure, ajavid, marcompile |
| 20:53.57 | revberaldo | I'll reboot and take the test |
| 20:54.04 | revberaldo | see ya |
| 20:54.41 | marcompile | allure: what prompt? |
| 20:54.51 | allure | marcompile: when I do gpg -c file, it prompts me for a passphrase |
| 20:54.59 | allure | I need to give the passphrase on the script |
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| 20:55.26 | ajavid | unikon, screen lock? |
| 20:55.44 | ajavid | unikon, check your xscreensaver settings? I dunno what screenlock you mean is |
| 20:56.34 | mjt | blah. keytouch redefines all already-working keys so things now happens twice (first by keytouch and second by gnome default action), and it kills mouse when started. |
| 20:56.39 | marcompile | allure: well, I think you need a key without passphrase for that |
| 20:57.03 | allure | marcompile: hmm but this script will run on several servers... I could not use keyring because of that |
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| 20:57.23 | allure | anyway, if there's a better way to set a password to a .tar.bz2 file, I'd go with that instead =) |
| 20:57.29 | mjt | esp. good for "mute" key - it just clicks :) |
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| 20:58.10 | marcompile | allure: why not use keyring? |
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| 20:58.33 | allure | marcompile: because it envolves nfs, rsync, samba, etc... several things |
| 20:58.41 | allure | implementing keyring on such a dynamic environment would be a pain |
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| 21:00.15 | marcompile | well, if you need symmetric encryption you could user ccrypt |
| 21:00.22 | marcompile | use |
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| 21:00.49 | marcompile | -K, --key key give keyword on command line (unsafe) |
| 21:00.56 | marcompile | -E, --envvar var read keyword from environment variable (unsafe) |
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| 21:01.58 | allure | hmm... interesting |
| 21:02.02 | allure | I'm going to try that =) |
| 21:02.04 | allure | thanks marcompile |
| 21:02.10 | revberaldo | Very strange. My keyboard is working fine now |
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| 21:02.26 | marcompile | allure: But if you need Elgamal, you should use a keypair for each server, and encrypt the files with the pub keys specifically |
| 21:02.37 | marcompile | allure: no need for network keyring |
| 21:02.53 | allure | marcompile: no no... I just need to set a password on the .tar.bz2 and avoid zip/rar passwords because they are too weak |
| 21:03.11 | allure | gonna try to keep it simple ;) |
| 21:04.04 | revberaldo | But I can't yet use multimedia keys. On Ubuntu I've configured .fluxbox/key to use mpc next when I press the key wich was recognized ny xev as XF86AudioNext |
| 21:04.17 | revberaldo | by* |
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| 21:05.12 | laeg | where should i correctly make install software when i choose not to use synaptic |
| 21:05.27 | laeg | usr/local, /opt, /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin? |
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| 21:06.30 | ajavid | /usr/local/bin |
| 21:06.35 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.36 | valdyn | laeg: omg no |
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| 21:06.39 | valdyn | geez |
| 21:06.47 | ajavid | if anything |
| 21:06.58 | valdyn | laeg: if you are talking about --prefix=, then that could be /usr/local |
| 21:07.07 | laeg | ajavid: and this is just as correct on ubuntu, right? |
| 21:07.13 | valdyn | laeg: *not* any bin |
| 21:07.18 | ajavid | not bin |
| 21:07.20 | ajavid | right |
| 21:07.31 | amphi | bin is right out |
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| 21:07.41 | ajavid | pin |
| 21:07.42 | laeg | right out? |
| 21:07.44 | cmyers_work | votes for /opt |
| 21:07.46 | laeg | /usr/local/bin |
| 21:07.47 | JRSmile | moin |
| 21:07.55 | laeg | lots of people are saying opt |
| 21:07.59 | amphi | pön |
| 21:08.03 | cmyers_work | as in, "I opt out of using sane package management and instead shoot myself in the foot" |
| 21:08.07 | valdyn | laeg: /usr/local will work by default |
| 21:08.08 | laeg | it's confusing because everyone always have different answers to this but there must be one more correct than the other |
| 21:08.10 | amphi | they can't help it |
| 21:08.13 | valdyn | laeg: /opt/ will not |
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| 21:08.28 | valdyn | laeg: /opt is ok after some modifications only |
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| 21:09.08 | valdyn | on a second thought, /opt is clearly fucked up |
| 21:09.33 | amphi | heh |
| 21:09.45 | mjt | ajavid: btw, keytouch does not let to define "plain" keys (like this two "euro" and "dollar" keys which should just generate appropriate symbols), it wants (external) actions instead... |
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| 21:10.19 | valdyn | laeg: make install is *not* made for /opt, you would have to modify alot of things |
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| 21:11.33 | allure | marcompile: it worked pretty well |
| 21:11.36 | allure | marcompile: thanks very much ;) |
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| 21:13.34 | animux01 | hi |
| 21:13.51 | animux01 | can anyone help with USB auto detection in debian? |
| 21:14.07 | animux01 | it works for linux formated usb but not for windows |
| 21:14.37 | animux01 | mount keeps getting called by -t Linux format rather than vfat |
| 21:14.51 | animux01 | or -t auto |
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| 21:15.15 | animux01 | is there a config file I need to change |
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| 21:19.33 | marcompile | animux01: do you use GNOME? |
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| 21:20.34 | unikon | ajavid what i meant is whenever im npt active on my pc the screen backs out and i have to input my user pawword everytime the screen goes inactive |
| 21:20.41 | animux01 | XFCE |
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| 21:27.25 | pozic | In /etc/rsnapshot.conf I have "retain\t\tweekly\t\t3\n" |
| 21:27.36 | pozic | Still, it says there are spaces on that line? |
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| 21:30.54 | animux01 | marcompile: XFCE |
| 21:30.57 | lindenle | What is testing right now? squeeze? |
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| 21:31.25 | pozic | Heh, no wonder it doesn't work. It is buggy. |
| 21:31.46 | pozic | They say interval is deprecated, but in fact, interval is the only thing that does work. |
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| 21:36.42 | syslq78 | How many previous kernels do you guys keep? |
| 21:36.55 | pingouin | 42 |
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| 21:37.02 | lindenle | How do i get the option to do an encrypted full HD in the installer? |
| 21:37.10 | syslq78 | pingouin, :) |
| 21:37.15 | syslq78 | I'm serious |
| 21:37.18 | pingouin | sorry |
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| 21:37.31 | syslq78 | pingouin, I'm just wondering if two are enough |
| 21:37.39 | quma | 1 |
| 21:38.02 | pingouin | i always keep the debian stock, while i try to build my own last kernel |
| 21:38.04 | pingouin | not much |
| 21:38.31 | pozic | syslq78: I have 4 at the moment, and when the size needed to show all candidate kernels is greater than the size of my screen, I delete some. |
| 21:38.47 | syslq78 | pozic, :) |
| 21:40.16 | syslq78 | Btw you know of any reason why grub-edit would print to stdout that it found everything correctly and did shit to menu.lst? After I deleted menu.lst and created new one it did everything ok. I forgot to check permissions of the file I deleted but hey, that should be handled by stderr |
| 21:41.24 | pozic | syslq78: I cannot remember I used grub-edit. |
| 21:41.43 | syslq78 | pozic, well I think it's used runed after update |
| 21:41.55 | syslq78 | pozic, I'm sissy I use ubuntu |
| 21:42.00 | pozic | syslq78: that might be, but that has always worked for me. |
| 21:42.14 | pozic | syslq78: I also use Ubuntu on some machines, just not this one. |
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| 21:42.39 | pozic | syslq78: in Ubuntu, you just compile your kernels in the Ubuntu way and it always works. |
| 21:42.42 | syslq78 | pozic, well it's possible that file permissions were not ok |
| 21:43.07 | syslq78 | I guess, I didnt check anyway it's cool now |
| 21:43.17 | pozic | syslq78: yes, so, try to reproduce it, write a patch to give a better error message and continue life. |
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| 21:43.27 | eshat | Hi all,... |
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| 21:43.41 | syslq78 | pozic, well that's actually not such a horrible idea you know |
| 21:43.52 | syslq78 | I could actually do that if that's in question, |
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| 21:44.09 | syslq78 | Never gave anything useful back to open source I use so much |
| 21:44.26 | eshat | When plugged in a new device, how can i find out which device in /dev/ is createt by that? (it is a MIDI keyboard) |
| 21:44.37 | syslq78 | eshat, I'd check dmesg |
| 21:44.50 | syslq78 | dmesg| tail -n 30 let's say |
| 21:45.04 | syslq78 | eshat, is that usb drive or something? |
| 21:45.13 | widrone | atm I seem to have 1 too few kernels... my pcmcia card seems hosed on the other laptop. Did lenny change the way it works in a major way? *starts digging for cardbus info* |
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| 21:45.53 | eshat | syslq78: yes usb |
| 21:46.06 | syslq78 | eshat, just run and check for sd device |
| 21:46.14 | syslq78 | dmesg| tail -n 30 let's say|grep sd |
| 21:46.30 | syslq78 | dmesg| tail -n 30 l grep sd |
| 21:46.34 | syslq78 | Without let's say :) |
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| 21:46.58 | eshat | syslq78: dmesg gives me some other info,... I found that it is /dev/midi1 but it would be nice to have a concret way to find out for future |
| 21:47.01 | pozic | eshat: something which always works is to diff the output of "find /dev" before and after. This is the brute-force solution. |
| 21:47.26 | syslq78 | /dev/midi? |
| 21:47.41 | eshat | pozic: the kernel should have a nicer way, shouldn't it ? |
| 21:47.47 | pozic | eshat: There are probably better solutions. |
| 21:47.56 | syslq78 | pozic, great idea, but where do you get old version? you do cat /dev > some file before? |
| 21:48.00 | eshat | syslq78: yes, it is a MIDI USB keyboard |
| 21:48.07 | pozic | syslq78: yes |
| 21:48.15 | syslq78 | eshat sorry, :), I thought it's a stick |
| 21:48.26 | eshat | np |
| 21:48.27 | pozic | syslq78: I consider this a hack, though. |
| 21:48.30 | syslq78 | eshat, well pozic idea is brute force but it's a handy trick I'll remember that |
| 21:48.35 | pozic | There should be some API to query that. |
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| 21:48.40 | pozic | And probably there is. |
| 21:48.45 | mjt | cat /dev ?? that's... nonsense... |
| 21:48.51 | syslq78 | pozic, you know how many ugly hack I used durring my lifetime |
| 21:49.04 | pozic | syslq78: oh, cat /dev is not the way, btw. |
| 21:49.07 | syslq78 | mjt, I'm new to *nix, |
| 21:49.16 | eshat | mjt he means "ls /dev > file" |
| 21:49.20 | mjt | ls -l /dev |
| 21:49.21 | syslq78 | jeah |
| 21:49.25 | syslq78 | yeah |
| 21:49.27 | pozic | syslq78: basically it is just the output of the find command to a file. |
| 21:49.51 | pozic | find /dev > somefile should work |
| 21:50.37 | eshat | but since udev creates a specific device, there should be an easier or more elgant way |
| 21:51.52 | pozic | eshat: bring it up on some debian mailing list, if that fails, send it to the Linux mailing list, if that fails, implement the functionality in the Linux kernel ;) |
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| 21:52.37 | syslq78 | Btw any utility that would allow me to see horizontal and vertical refresh rate of the screen? |
| 21:52.47 | mjt | xvidtune |
| 21:52.48 | syslq78 | My monitor's firmware is not very , hmm, communicative |
| 21:52.52 | syslq78 | thanks |
| 21:53.19 | pozic | xvidtune gives a big warning |
| 21:53.25 | syslq78 | :) |
| 21:53.27 | pozic | Can it really damage a modern screen? |
| 21:53.36 | eshat | Thanks guys |
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| 21:53.43 | eshat | I ll implement to thekernel :P |
| 21:53.53 | syslq78 | pozic, well in my case I dont give a shit, I have vertical lines appearing over my lcd |
| 21:54.00 | zinx | pozic: yes, some screens can still be damaged |
| 21:54.26 | syslq78 | Probably some transistors failing |
| 21:54.31 | mjt | syslq78: for an lcd screen xvidtune shouldn't be necessary |
| 21:54.32 | stew | pozic: i would *guess* that the things with a digital connection would know to throw out stuff that was out of spec, then analog ones are the ones you'd have to worry about (*guess*) |
| 21:54.54 | pozic | Well, I don't feel like trying out, since I am quite happy with the screen ;) |
| 21:55.04 | syslq78 | mjt, are there any other kind? I havent seen CRT in ages |
| 21:55.13 | syslq78 | brb, rebooting with new kernel |
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| 21:55.55 | zinx | stew: some LCD controllers don't bother to check either, and can be damaged by out of range signals |
| 21:56.13 | zinx | most, fortunately, are not crap. |
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| 21:56.21 | stew | zinx: good to know |
| 21:56.25 | pozic | Does rsnapshot ever stop working for silly reasons? Or is it a robust application? |
| 21:56.49 | pozic | (I have it setup correctly. ) |
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| 21:57.05 | themill | pozic: doesn't work when the network cable gets pulled out or the disk is full |
| 21:57.15 | enouf | can someone do ls -l /home/$USER/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
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| 21:57.26 | enouf | i need to know the user:group |
| 21:57.29 | enouf | thank you |
| 21:57.40 | pozic | themill: but then it just writes to some log that there was no network connection, I assume? |
| 21:57.48 | enouf | user would be $USER?, but group? |
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| 21:58.12 | stew | themill: can you please supply a patch to fix that? |
| 21:58.17 | themill | hehe |
| 21:58.18 | pozic | themill: in other words, you meant to say that it will happily run forever? |
| 21:58.44 | enouf | zinx: out-of-range, IME, has always been due to no Vert/hor sync settings setup in xorg.conf |
| 21:59.00 | themill | pozic: it writes quite a lot to /var/log/rsnapshot each time. Errors like that get sent to you in the normal fashion by cron jobs |
| 21:59.03 | zinx | enouf: or wrong ones |
| 21:59.05 | enouf | zinx: or do you mean EDID related? |
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| 21:59.09 | themill | pozic: yes, I've found it to be very robust |
| 21:59.11 | enouf | DDC,etc |
| 21:59.14 | poisonbit | what is the url where debconf videos are stored ? |
| 21:59.18 | pozic | themill: great, I love that. |
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| 21:59.37 | lindenle | How much space does a debian install take? |
| 21:59.55 | themill | pozic: it's saved my bacon on several occasions -- as complete disaster recovery twice and restoring the odd random file a few times |
| 22:00.02 | poisonbit | lindenle, it's documented in the basic documentation |
| 22:00.10 | lindenle | ah ok |
| 22:00.12 | lindenle | in the install |
| 22:00.14 | lindenle | docs |
| 22:00.15 | lindenle | ? |
| 22:00.18 | poisonbit | yup |
| 22:00.28 | poisonbit | recomended read |
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| 22:00.33 | icho | help? |
| 22:00.39 | lindenle | poisonbit: thx |
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| 22:00.46 | stew | lindenle: its in the hardare requirements in the install guide as requiring 450 mb maybe? |
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| 22:00.49 | poisonbit | you're welcome lindenle |
| 22:00.52 | pozic | themill: I am using it on a Linux machine which is not always on with a Windows machine which is not always on. |
| 22:00.53 | stew | lindenle: (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 22:00.55 | icho | toni@igloo:~/psybnc$ make |
| 22:00.56 | icho | Initializing bouncer compilation |
| 22:00.56 | icho | [*] Running Conversion Tool for older psyBNC Data. |
| 22:00.56 | icho | tools/convconf.c:26:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
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| 22:01.34 | syslq78 | Guys how do you look upon mono? Just wondering since debian is the "true" open source thing etc |
| 22:01.46 | amphi | pure evil ;) |
| 22:01.54 | syslq78 | Joking or serious? |
| 22:02.08 | zinx | icho: considered using one of the packaged IRC proxies? |
| 22:02.11 | amphi | both |
| 22:02.16 | themill | syslq78: mono is a free software implenetation of an ISO spec. Microsoft happens to have another implementation of that spec. |
| 22:02.36 | icho | psybnc |
| 22:02.37 | pozic | syslq78: Mono is another layer of indirection, which doesn't solve anything. |
| 22:02.38 | syslq78 | themill, yeah I know they have released the specs |
| 22:02.41 | icho | make problem |
| 22:02.41 | icho | :S |
| 22:02.43 | Ambush | heh |
| 22:02.48 | Ambush | use znc, psybnc sux :p |
| 22:02.56 | icho | :> |
| 22:02.56 | syslq78 | pozic, you're low level guy? |
| 22:02.58 | icho | problem make! |
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| 22:03.32 | pozic | syslq78: something like Mono with formal specifications might be useful, but that's not what Mono is. |
| 22:04.05 | enouf | when i say "i need to know the user:group" , i don't want to know your $USER personally, but i just got an error running ~$ sudo apt-get source apt .. a gpg error, but F!, i inadvertantly cleared the terminal? or something else did it!! .. i cannot get it to give me this message again |
| 22:04.08 | syslq78 | mhm |
| 22:04.24 | themill | pozic: err... what are ECMA 334 and 335 then? |
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| 22:05.49 | themill | pozic: rsync is a little problematic at times with windows (summer time and timestamp granularity are annoying). For things that are only sometimes there, something like this quite crude script might help http://paste.debian.net/42992/ |
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| 22:06.28 | pozic | themill: a specification of C#, which from the abstract seems fairly good (but might not be). I was thinking more like specifications like in Coq, Spec# and so on. |
| 22:06.38 | enouf | ahh here we got - the Error -- http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m76693546 .. |
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| 22:06.51 | enouf | i had to rm -rd the apt*/ dir |
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| 22:07.25 | enouf | no bites? :-( |
| 22:07.51 | enouf | mono? is a disease/illness |
| 22:08.02 | Titan8990 | is it possible to mask a package in debian so that it never gets upgraded by apt? |
| 22:08.06 | themill | enouf: ~/.gnupg should be 0700. my gpg.conf is 0600. |
| 22:08.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Titan8990 about hold |
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| 22:08.28 | Titan8990 | themill, thanks |
| 22:08.33 | martianlobster | If I have a static library compiled with gcc version 4.1, can I expect it to work correctly if I link with code compiled in version 4.3? |
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| 22:09.04 | pozic | themill: so, does anything bad happens, when all the conditionals are not tested and rsnapshot runs anyway? |
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| 22:09.12 | enouf | themill: my xterms and keys are acting a bit funny, but - wha'ts ownership? user:group? |
| 22:09.15 | mjt | martianlobster: generally yes |
| 22:09.26 | pozic | themill: I would expect to only see a difference in log contents. |
| 22:09.27 | martianlobster | mjt: thanks |
| 22:09.37 | enouf | themill: is it /home/{username.usergroup} ? |
| 22:10.12 | judgepg | bind = resize = |
| 22:10.12 | judgepg | bind + resize +1 |
| 22:10.12 | judgepg | bind - resize -1 |
| 22:10.16 | enouf | themill: my mode is 0600 |
| 22:10.18 | themill | enouf: mine are all $USER:$USER. |
| 22:10.24 | judgepg | sorry about that, I was working with screen :) |
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| 22:10.32 | enouf | i can't see how 0700 would fix that error |
| 22:10.35 | themill | enouf: if $HOME is group writable that would also be an issue |
| 22:10.43 | enouf | themill: righto |
| 22:10.49 | enouf | thanks |
| 22:10.52 | jaalto | How do I find out if partition does not have a filesystem (not yet created). Is error message from "mount /dev/sdbX /tmp/mnt" enought: ""mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 22:10.56 | enouf | now, how do i fix this? |
| 22:10.56 | Titan8990 | themill, im guessing that doesn't work if the package is partially installed already.... |
| 22:11.08 | mjt | .gnupg should be mode 0700 |
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| 22:11.24 | syslq78 | enouf, :), that's a bit harsh |
| 22:11.25 | enouf | themill: i mean, the ownership:group is correct |
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| 22:12.12 | mjt | enouf: a) there's no errors in your paste, and b) don't apt-get source as root. |
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| 22:12.29 | themill | pozic: you might lose the oldest hourly snapshot if rsnapshot runs but can't get new sources. (I think it does the rotation first then the cp - a then the rsync, but check the docs) |
| 22:12.51 | themill | mjt: heh... yeah, that's the problem. well spotted |
| 22:13.14 | pozic | themill: I only do weekly snapshots, but I guess the same issues are there then. |
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| 22:13.58 | enouf | themill: i chmod'd 0700 filename, and tried again., same error |
| 22:14.07 | yurikoles | how to use reiser4 in testing? |
| 22:14.11 | themill | pozic: yeah whatever the shortest time period is. My "hourly" and twice daily, the "daily" end up being "weekly" and the "weekly" end up as monthly, but who cares.... ;) |
| 22:14.23 | yurikoles | can i have reiser4 root? |
| 22:14.29 | enouf | maybe i have upgrade debian-archive-keyring and apt-key ? |
| 22:14.34 | enouf | themill: ^^^ |
| 22:14.38 | enouf | +to* |
| 22:14.48 | themill | enouf: you're asking apt-get source to run as root but use $USER/.gnupg/. See the problem? |
| 22:14.50 | mjt | enouf: again: .gnupg should be mod 0700, not .gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 22:15.10 | enouf | mjt: i didn't ask about .gnupg |
| 22:15.10 | themill | !sudosmite enouf |
| 22:15.11 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to enouf and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 22:15.21 | enouf | mjt: the error doesn't mention the dir/ |
| 22:15.23 | judgepg | bind = resize = |
| 22:15.23 | judgepg | bind + resize +1 |
| 22:15.24 | judgepg | bind - resize -1 |
| 22:15.28 | pozic | themill: when I have the time, I will investigate it further. Thanks for the warning, though. Having a decent backup is at least better than having a let's backup when we change the harddisk :) |
| 22:15.38 | themill | heh yeah |
| 22:15.46 | enouf | themill: that's silly, i never saw an ewrror like this before |
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| 22:16.24 | enouf | themill: i always have used sudo to install pkgs - so what? |
| 22:16.27 | themill | enouf: apt-get source doesn't need root privs. Don't use sudo on it. |
| 22:16.40 | enouf | themill: it creates a log in /var/log/auth* for me |
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| 22:16.50 | enouf | really? shit ... |
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| 22:17.02 | mjt | log is created by sudo, not apt |
| 22:17.14 | mjt | (really syslog but that's nitpicking) |
| 22:17.36 | enouf | themill: ok, just to clarify, is your .gnupg 0700 and .gnupg/gnugpg.conf 0600 ? |
| 22:17.47 | themill | yes, that's what I said earlier |
| 22:17.48 | enouf | erm gpg.conf* |
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| 22:18.04 | themill | enouf: apt-get source checks your local keyring to see if you trust the source package. It doesn't use the normal apt keyring because if it's not run as root it's not able to do so and you shouldn't run apt-get source as root |
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| 22:18.09 | enouf | i guess i'm having some reading comprehension issues today |
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| 22:18.51 | themill | enouf: btw not running apt-get source as root is more than just principle of least privilege -- if you apt-get source as root, you'll have to compile as root (bad) and some packages will FTBFS as root (worse). |
| 22:19.48 | mjt | that message (unsafe ownership on configuration file) gets printed when owner of the conf file is not the same as user running gpg |
| 22:19.55 | enouf | themill: mjt similar error ,but not same http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m6b634797 |
| 22:20.13 | enouf | what's wrong with my gpg! :-{ |
| 22:20.24 | enouf | mjt: i see -- thanks |
| 22:20.24 | themill | enouf: (a) not error, (b) not similar. |
| 22:20.45 | enouf | themill: are you telling me the source pkg hasn't been signed properly? |
| 22:20.47 | mjt | now you have to import debian devs keys |
| 22:20.58 | enouf | since when mjt ? |
| 22:21.08 | mjt | since no when. |
| 22:21.09 | themill | enouf: you would need to import the entire debian-keyring into your personal keyring (or tell dpkg-source to use a different keyring) to check it |
| 22:21.40 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps did they go back to samba 2.x from 3.x then they introduced squeeze? |
| 22:21.40 | enouf | ok then - thank you |
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| 22:21.46 | enouf | thanks themill and mjt |
| 22:21.50 | themill | there's nothing wrong with the signature on the package, it's just that your gpg doesn't know how to check the signature because it doesn't have public key |
| 22:21.51 | bbelt16ag | did samba 3.x become more unstable?!?! |
| 22:22.04 | themill | bbelt16ag: how do you figure this? |
| 22:22.19 | themill | judd versions samba |
| 22:22.19 | judd | themill: samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny2 lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 squeeze: 2:3.3.4-1 lenny-backports: 2:3.3.6-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2:3.4.0-1 |
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| 22:22.24 | bbelt16ag | okkk |
| 22:22.26 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 22:22.26 | themill | ahh... |
| 22:22.29 | themill | dpkg: tell bbelt16ag about epoch |
| 22:22.31 | mjt | bbelt16ag: samba2 is buggy, very buggy. |
| 22:22.32 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.41 | bbelt16ag | that what it is... |
| 22:22.43 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 22:22.47 | mjt | ok |
| 22:22.48 | bbelt16ag | epoch? |
| 22:23.15 | mjt | dpkg is somewhat.. stupid today |
| 22:23.15 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, mjt |
| 22:23.34 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 22:23.37 | themill | bbelt16ag: ask dpkg about it |
| 22:24.05 | bbelt16ag | i see the msg it cool |
| 22:24.09 | bbelt16ag | now uestion.. |
| 22:24.20 | bbelt16ag | if i wanted to use samba 3.0 what do i gota do compile it my self? |
| 22:24.28 | bbelt16ag | on lenny 5 stable |
| 22:24.37 | bbelt16ag | .... |
| 22:24.40 | mjt | don't do that |
| 22:24.51 | bbelt16ag | wait... |
| 22:24.56 | themill | what's wrong with 3.2? |
| 22:25.01 | mjt | (i mean using samba3.0, not compiling it) |
| 22:25.03 | bbelt16ag | 2:3.2.5-4lenny6: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
| 22:25.12 | bbelt16ag | wth |
| 22:25.13 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:25.42 | mjt | judd: versions samba |
| 22:25.43 | judd | mjt: samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10 etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1 lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny2 lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 squeeze: 2:3.3.4-1 lenny-backports: 2:3.3.6-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2:3.4.0-1 |
| 22:25.43 | bbelt16ag | Package: samba |
| 22:25.45 | bbelt16ag | State: installed |
| 22:25.47 | bbelt16ag | Automatically installed: no |
| 22:25.49 | bbelt16ag | Version: 2:3.2.5-4lenny6 |
| 22:25.51 | bbelt16ag | wth |
| 22:25.53 | themill | !paste |
| 22:25.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 22:25.59 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 22:26.01 | enouf | mjt: since no when is not an english sentence; practice .. someday you'll get it |
| 22:26.20 | mjt | thank you very much |
| 22:26.21 | enouf | it;s not even a phrase |
| 22:26.29 | enouf | glad to help |
| 22:26.33 | themill | enouf: nor is what you just wrote. Drop it. |
| 22:26.49 | bbelt16ag | ok so why isnt it updating to 3.x?? |
| 22:26.58 | themill | bbelt16ag: reread what dpkg said about the use of an epoch in version numbers. |
| 22:27.00 | abrotman_ | bbelt16ag: aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 22:27.03 | enouf | themill: prove me wrong then - and don't bring it up and then say drop it |
| 22:27.10 | abrotman_ | drop it |
| 22:27.10 | mjt | sometimes it's wise to say incorrectly.. maybe just because there's no correct answer available. |
| 22:27.32 | enouf | mjt: that - i can concur with |
| 22:27.33 | animux01 | any experts on hal? |
| 22:27.35 | bbelt16ag | oh the : is something? |
| 22:27.45 | themill | bbelt16ag: yes. |
| 22:28.05 | bbelt16ag | so it updates them to the next version wild... |
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| 22:28.55 | enouf | themill: do you really think people's titles or anything else intimidates me? |
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| 22:29.16 | enouf | (would you like to take this elsewhere?) |
| 22:29.24 | abrotman | i'd like you to take it elsewhere |
| 22:29.26 | bbelt16ag | ok themill that didnt do anything |
| 22:29.32 | bbelt16ag | i am uptodate |
| 22:29.32 | themill | huh? Without quote marks to indicate quotation, it was jibberish. If you're going to preach, it's better to be correct. |
| 22:29.37 | themill | bbelt16ag: yes, it looks that way |
| 22:29.43 | abrotman | it'd ? /me hides |
| 22:30.03 | enouf | themill: the intended recipient understood apparently, and that's all matters |
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| 22:30.41 | themill | enouf: likewise for the message to you about gpg checks. So why the need to correct mjt? |
| 22:30.46 | Superbob | can pls some one help me with bind |
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| 22:31.00 | abrotman | Superbob: ask your real questoin |
| 22:31.03 | bbelt16ag | so why cant i see the new packages |
| 22:31.07 | Superbob | i m trying to setup ns1.foo.com to reslove at 10.0.0.1 |
| 22:31.11 | bbelt16ag | i should atleast see them right? |
| 22:31.12 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:31.12 | enouf | themill: from whom? |
| 22:31.15 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 22:31.19 | themill | bbelt16ag: what new package are you looking for? |
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| 22:31.25 | abrotman | enouf: themill move on |
| 22:31.35 | Superbob | but all i get is ns1.foo.com in A |
| 22:31.45 | Superbob | but no ip address is getting resolved :( |
| 22:32.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Superbob: it's not really debian specific, but paste your zonefile |
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| 22:32.23 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1511567 |
| 22:32.28 | Superbob | ok |
| 22:32.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Superbob about paste |
| 22:33.09 | themill | bbelt16ag: your sources.list looks fine -- what new packages were you hoping to see? You seem to be wanting something new... |
| 22:33.12 | enouf | i asked for help ; got help ; and thanked those that helped -- if anyone has their panties in a wad, that's their problem |
| 22:33.29 | abrotman | enouf: move on! |
| 22:33.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.54 | abrotman | and try to be nice to people .. jeez |
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| 22:34.00 | bbelt16ag | themill: sambe 3??? |
| 22:34.03 | bbelt16ag | samba 3 |
| 22:34.06 | Superbob | http://paste.debian.net/42994/ |
| 22:34.16 | fanen | bonsoir |
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| 22:34.34 | fanen | svp est ce que la carte brodcom est supporté dans debian 5 |
| 22:34.35 | themill | bbelt16ag: you have samba 3. the 2: thing is just to help manage the debian version. It's the package epoch. You ignore it. |
| 22:34.35 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.36 | Superbob | jpinx-eeepc: http://paste.debian.net/42994/ |
| 22:34.45 | bbelt16ag | i will show you |
| 22:34.50 | fanen | carte reseau |
| 22:34.54 | themill | bbelt16ag: go re-read the thing about epochs again. |
| 22:35.07 | bbelt16ag | ok i see now |
| 22:35.12 | mjt | Superbob: your NS record is wrong, it should be "@ IN NS ns1.foo.com." (note ns1) |
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| 22:35.17 | bbelt16ag | k then its still not new enough for sadms |
| 22:35.30 | Superbob | mjt let me try |
| 22:35.48 | mjt | Superbob: ns record should point to a hostname that resolves to A |
| 22:35.52 | themill | bbelt16ag: specifically what version do you want? You've said 3, 3.0 and 3.2 so far |
| 22:35.55 | bbelt16ag | hang on i see the problem themill |
| 22:36.02 | bbelt16ag | can i paste three lines? |
| 22:36.06 | bbelt16ag | version=2:3.2.5-4lenny6 |
| 22:36.07 | bbelt16ag | majorversion=2 |
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| 22:36.09 | bbelt16ag | current version is 2 [FAIL] (samba 3 is needed) |
| 22:36.11 | bbelt16ag | ahhh |
| 22:36.18 | themill | bbelt16ag: what is saying that? |
| 22:36.22 | mjt | Superbob: ie, to a NAME of your nameserver |
| 22:36.32 | bbelt16ag | sadms http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:36.51 | enouf | just a FWIW, concerning .gnugpg/ the mode is 0700, the gnupg.conf file within, is 0600 -- all owned via $USER:$USER |
| 22:36.52 | bbelt16ag | its the stupid empocs |
| 22:36.58 | bbelt16ag | epocs |
| 22:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Superbob: your A record needs to be something.com IN A 12.34.56.78 |
| 22:37.03 | mjt | Superbob: named should complain about errors actually, because .foo.com. is not valid name to start with |
| 22:37.16 | mjt | jpinx-eeepc: his A record is fine |
| 22:37.16 | Superbob | ok let me try |
| 22:37.26 | Superbob | it doesn't work :( |
| 22:37.27 | enouf | and had been |
| 22:37.35 | themill | bbelt16ag: then it has a very silly way of working out the version it seems |
| 22:37.36 | macrobat | an aptitude full-upgrade closed my xchat! :D |
| 22:37.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Superbob: and is your nameserver registered? |
| 22:37.57 | mjt | Superbob: and lose the line that starts with "IN", too |
| 22:38.05 | fanen | did debian support the ethernet card Brodcom ??? i want to migrate to debian5 i am now ubuntu |
| 22:38.06 | Superbob | http://paste.debian.net/42995/ |
| 22:38.14 | bbelt16ag | think i could edit the start script and fix it? |
| 22:38.17 | Superbob | jpinx-eeepc it for local lan only |
| 22:38.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Superbob: I believe you need to do some basic reading about DNS ;) |
| 22:39.03 | Superbob | yes i do need that |
| 22:39.09 | Superbob | put a pointer will help |
| 22:39.15 | mjt | Superbob: see logs! |
| 22:39.37 | abrotman | fanen: which driver does it use now? it should work just the same |
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| 22:40.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Superbob: google dns zonefile howto |
| 22:40.17 | Superbob | ok |
| 22:40.21 | Superbob | jpinx |
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| 22:41.18 | Superbob | thanks |
| 22:41.19 | fanen | i will try so the same driver on debian 5 because with debian 4 it dos'nt work |
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| 22:41.30 | fanen | so thanks for the information |
| 22:41.33 | Superbob | but there is something wrong with the file rite ?? |
| 22:41.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Superbob: lots ;) |
| 22:41.54 | Superbob | :( |
| 22:42.24 | themill | bbelt16ag: take a cluebat to the people who wrote that package, and try fixing pre/_check-samba.sh |
| 22:42.36 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 22:42.40 | bbelt16ag | thanks themill |
| 22:43.22 | Superbob | jpinx-eeepc thanks , to reload all i have to do is rndc reload rite ?? |
| 22:43.28 | Superbob | thanks mjt |
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| 22:44.12 | syslq78_ | Is there any advantage of not mounting drive when I dont need it? Less power consumption, less heating... Or it's about same if I dont do I/O on it |
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| 22:45.36 | mjt | syslq78_: almost no difference. but things like locate will index it if only it's mounted |
| 22:45.49 | mjt | s/if only/only if/ |
| 22:45.58 | syslq78_ | Thanks |
| 22:46.44 | themill | bbelt16ag: or actually, you could fix the function that returns the package version in pre/_include-distribution.sh |
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| 22:47.43 | TiMiDo | hey how can i download the make command? |
| 22:47.49 | TiMiDo | -bash: make: command not found |
| 22:47.52 | TiMiDo | how come? |
| 22:47.57 | abrotman | install make? |
| 22:48.01 | sigmonsays | I have a fresh lenny of debootstrap running but apt says the packages can't be trusted |
| 22:48.02 | abrotman | !b-e TiMiDo |
| 22:48.02 | dpkg | TiMiDo: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 22:48.11 | sigmonsays | is there something seperate to get keys? |
| 22:48.21 | themill | sigmonsays: grab debian-archive-keyring |
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| 22:48.38 | Superbob | thanks jpinx-eeepc, got it working |
| 22:48.40 | Superbob | ;) |
| 22:48.46 | sigmonsays | themill, cheers |
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| 22:49.08 | ShadowGoon | ok so i just installed debian 5.0 on an old system, when i installed it i had it hooked up to my tv which is a 32" lcd with a native res of 1360x768. now after ive hooked it up to its own monitor it fails to display the splash screen. /etc/X11/xorg.conf is an empty file, running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing, it just goes through unhelpful keyboard settings |
| 22:49.10 | Superbob | cheers n thanks |
| 22:49.12 | Superbob | all |
| 22:49.24 | sigmonsays | themill, says it's already installed |
| 22:49.47 | themill | judd versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 22:49.48 | judd | themill: debian-archive-keyring -- sid: 2008.04.16+nmu1 etch: 2009.01.31 etch-volatile: 2009.01.31 sid: 2009.01.31 squeeze: 2009.01.31 |
| 22:49.54 | themill | sigmonsays: ^^ latest version? |
| 22:50.23 | macrobat | do TVs have EDIDs? |
| 22:50.49 | themill | stew: where does the extra "sid" version come from in judd's output? ^^ |
| 22:51.04 | stew | themill: EXCELLENT question! |
| 22:51.10 | stew | now go answer it |
| 22:51.11 | ShadowGoon | when its hooked up to the tv, i can login and change the res to the desired one, but it doesnt change the res for the login screen. that one remains static |
| 22:51.25 | themill | stew: it's in the db not the code though.... :( |
| 22:51.34 | stew | i know |
| 22:52.15 | stew | themill: i've looked (somewhat briefly) a few times and failed |
| 22:52.17 | sigmonsays | themill, newest version on lenny |
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| 22:52.33 | stew | themill: i probably should see whats changed in udd in the last year |
| 22:52.48 | themill | sigmonsays: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" in the chroot? |
| 22:53.03 | sigmonsays | yup. sec |
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| 22:53.40 | sigmonsays | http://nopaste.org/p/aVgNcMdHh |
| 22:53.48 | sigmonsays | themill, ^^ |
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| 22:53.56 | ShadowGoon | this is probably an easily simplified issue, however its 95 degrees and my AC is broken and i really dont have the patience to wade through the endless amounts of crap google has to offer |
| 22:54.04 | themill | sigmonsays: so the untrusted warning is gone then? |
| 22:54.14 | sigmonsays | themill, I got the warning from apt-get install sudo |
| 22:54.35 | sigmonsays | I will do a few more testings |
| 22:54.42 | sigmonsays | maybe I have to apt-get update after I install the keys |
| 22:54.44 | themill | sigmonsays: can you have another go at that and once again pastebin the entire output along with "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy sudo" |
| 22:54.51 | sigmonsays | Yup |
| 22:54.57 | sigmonsays | thx |
| 22:55.42 | ShadowGoon | if no one sees fit to help me out ill just install the whole os again |
| 22:55.48 | ShadowGoon | i really dont have patience to muck around |
| 22:56.31 | stew | ShadowGoon: you are using xrandr to change resolution? or what? |
| 22:57.09 | ShadowGoon | im not using anything, well when i change the res its gui based |
| 22:57.12 | ShadowGoon | in gnome |
| 22:57.24 | ShadowGoon | it changes the desktop resolution to 1024x768 |
| 22:57.30 | ShadowGoon | but the problem is the gui login |
| 22:57.39 | ShadowGoon | its stuck at 1360*768 |
| 22:57.58 | ShadowGoon | so the 17" mon wont display the res |
| 22:58.01 | stew | ShadowGoon: xrandr should let you change each separately |
| 22:58.13 | ShadowGoon | i checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf to add the resolution i needed |
| 22:58.13 | mjt | each? |
| 22:58.16 | ShadowGoon | but the entire file is empty |
| 22:58.27 | stew | ShadowGoon: yes, that's expected |
| 22:58.32 | ShadowGoon | stew: via bash? |
| 22:58.41 | stew | ShadowGoon: if you have a xorg.conf that was configured the way you wanted, you could use that instead |
| 22:58.44 | stew | ShadowGoon: yes |
| 22:59.03 | ShadowGoon | well i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:59.12 | ShadowGoon | and it just scrolled through keyboard settings |
| 22:59.16 | ShadowGoon | and did nothing resolution based |
| 22:59.28 | ShadowGoon | the video adapter is an integrated intel extreme 2 |
| 22:59.36 | stew | ShadowGoon: yes, that is all it is supposed to do |
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| 22:59.39 | ShadowGoon | im just using regular VESA |
| 22:59.40 | enouf | !drxx |
| 22:59.40 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From Lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | ShadowGoon: From Lenny onwards, .... |
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| 23:00.08 | szymon_g | hi |
| 23:00.18 | honschu | Hi, how to connect to a running X11-Server on port 6000 ? "X -query serverName :1" doesn't work |
| 23:00.18 | stew | 'minimalist' seems misplaced there |
| 23:00.29 | ShadowGoon | grr |
| 23:00.34 | macrobat | xorg still accepts a conf file |
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| 23:01.05 | ShadowGoon | just please tell me what to do, not what i can do. i have extremely limited linux exp |
| 23:01.15 | szymon_g | does debian have something like verification of all installed packages (to check checksums of binaries, config files etc)? (sorry, i havent seen it in man dpkg) |
| 23:01.48 | enouf | stew: s/minimalist/useless/ ? |
| 23:02.06 | macrobat | im thinking ShadowGoon could use "gtf" to generate a modeline to put in xorg.conf, right? |
| 23:02.24 | enouf | szymon_g: debsums ? |
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| 23:02.43 | enouf | or cvt |
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| 23:02.55 | enouf | which works better than gtf for me |
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| 23:03.27 | stew | enouf: its just that the point of running it here is to replace the minimalist one with one that isn't minimalist |
| 23:03.33 | stew | maximalist! |
| 23:03.36 | Pillz | umm |
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| 23:03.45 | szymon_g | thanx enouf, i'm checking it |
| 23:03.59 | Pillz | so i cant seem to find webfonts in the repos |
| 23:04.13 | macrobat | finding an empty xorg.conf can be maxilla-dropping |
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| 23:05.26 | macrobat | ShadowGoon: im not entirely sure in what section(s) you put modelines anymore, check man xorg.conf |
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| 23:05.30 | ShadowGoon | i dont really care what i have to do, i just want to change the default res of the gui login to 1024x768 but in typical linux fashion its never just that easy |
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| 23:06.04 | ShadowGoon | well if /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty, where does xserver pull the config data from |
| 23:06.10 | ShadowGoon | it has to come from somewhere |
| 23:06.24 | Pillz | xorg.conf isnt completely nessecary |
| 23:06.27 | mjt | ShadowGoon: about a hour ago i tried to change just a single word in xorg settings... ;) |
| 23:06.34 | ShadowGoon | ok |
| 23:06.35 | ShadowGoon | so |
| 23:06.39 | ShadowGoon | if its unneccessary |
| 23:06.52 | ShadowGoon | how the heck am i supposed to change settings via #bash |
| 23:06.52 | paissad-hp | guys, i'am trying to run NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.14-pkg2.run, but it cannot find the kernel-source-path (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build or /usr/src/linux) |
| 23:06.54 | mjt | Pillz: it's unnecessry if everything works as expected |
| 23:07.02 | paissad-hp | knowing that i have not those directories ! |
| 23:07.05 | paissad-hp | how can i solve that |
| 23:07.18 | Pillz | mjt: well ya, and if things dont then your sort of stuck haha |
| 23:07.25 | mjt | Pillz: but if not and you actually have to tweak it, you've some.. issues because there's nothing to edit. |
| 23:07.30 | paissad-hp | when i do aptitude search kernel | grep -v nvidia, i see nothing really interesting to install |
| 23:07.35 | Pillz | yeah exactly |
| 23:07.36 | adama_ | I have squeeze: http://pastebin.ca/1511505 ... printing is not working |
| 23:07.52 | Pillz | is squeeze semi stable? |
| 23:07.53 | adama_ | paissad-hp: you need the kernel headers package for your kernel |
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| 23:07.57 | szymon_g | paissad-hp: lenny or squeeze? |
| 23:07.58 | abrotman | paissad-hp: please don't use the nvidia installer |
| 23:07.59 | ShadowGoon | fuck this ill just reinstall the fucking OS |
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| 23:08.07 | paissad-hp | i have lenny |
| 23:08.10 | abrotman | paissad-hp: please don't use the nvidia installer |
| 23:08.16 | szymon_g | so you will have to recompile kernel |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | !tell paissad-hp about contrib |
| 23:08.21 | szymon_g | great... :~ |
| 23:08.22 | mjt | as if reinstalling will help ShadowGoon... |
| 23:08.23 | abrotman | !tell paissad-hp about non-free |
| 23:08.28 | adama_ | paissad-hp: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:08.29 | macrobat | paissad-hp: kernels are called linux-image and there is also linux-headers |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | no, he does not have to recompile the kernel |
| 23:08.36 | szymon_g | :? |
| 23:08.38 | paissad-hp | abrotman, i have contrib and non-free into my sources.list |
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| 23:08.50 | paissad-hp | ok thanks |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | paissad-hp: so if you `apt-cache search nvidia` .. what's wrong with the pre-built modules ? |
| 23:08.58 | macrobat | shadowgoon, if you reinstall you will likely have the same situation all over |
| 23:09.05 | szymon_g | abrotman: does lennys kernel is compiled with gcc 4.3 or 4.1 (from etch)? |
| 23:09.08 | abrotman | using the nvidia .run is a *horrible* idea |
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| 23:09.30 | paissad-hp | abrotman, the pre-built modules don't return mes "YES" when i run glxinfo | grep -i rendering |
| 23:09.31 | szymon_g | i always get errors about wrong versions of gcc installed |
| 23:09.34 | abrotman | szymon_g: 4.1.x |
| 23:09.39 | abrotman | paissad-hp: then you've done something else wrong .. |
| 23:09.41 | Pillz | are all repos enabled in lenny? and if not what do i do to enable them? |
| 23:09.43 | abrotman | paissad-hp: what is your nvidia card ? |
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| 23:10.05 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 23:10.05 | szymon_g | yes, abrotman. so on 'normal' lenny (i.e. with gcc from lenny's repos) they will not install, right? |
| 23:10.10 | paissad-hp | abrotman, nvidiaGT |
| 23:10.14 | abrotman | szymon_g: huh ? |
| 23:10.15 | metalfan_ | whats the official way to select python2.5 as the system default? |
| 23:10.16 | paissad-hp | 9400GT |
| 23:10.23 | macrobat | Pillz: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:10.27 | abrotman | metalfan_: you don't want to |
| 23:10.29 | themill | szymon_g: that's because you don't use the debian packages for the nvidia driver |
| 23:10.40 | metalfan_ | abrotman, whats the downside? |
| 23:10.44 | themill | metalfan_: upgrade to lenny. |
| 23:10.49 | szymon_g | themill: well... debian-packages newer works for me |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | metalfan_: your entire system thinks that it's going to get a different version .. and things run badly ? |
| 23:11.05 | metalfan_ | ok thx |
| 23:11.06 | szymon_g | btw, why lennys kernel is compilled on eth? |
| 23:11.27 | abrotman | paissad-hp: lspci -nn .. what is the PCIID ? |
| 23:11.30 | themill | szymon_g: why do you think it is? (it isn't) |
| 23:11.30 | szymon_g | *etch |
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| 23:11.51 | honschu | Hi, how to connect to a running X11-Server on port 6000 ? "X -query serverName :1" doesn't work |
| 23:12.01 | szymon_g | ok, why it is compilled on gcc4.1, which is (afaik) found in etch (well.. not in lenny) |
| 23:12.05 | themill | judd versions gcc-4.1 |
| 23:12.05 | judd | themill: gcc-4.1 -- etch: 4.1.1-21 lenny: 4.1.2-25 sid: 4.1.2-26 squeeze: 4.1.2-26 |
| 23:12.10 | szymon_g | themill: â |
| 23:12.21 | szymon_g | o.O |
| 23:12.30 | themill | szymon_g: gcc-4.1 is in every current debian release precisely for the purpose of compiling kernels |
| 23:13.03 | paissad-hp | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/f30d367f6 |
| 23:13.12 | szymon_g | ah, i see. i havent know that :< shame on me |
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| 23:13.50 | szymon_g | btw, why not 4.3? i mean: what are the reason for not compilling kernels on default gcc? it suppose to be stable after all... |
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| 23:14.15 | themill | szymon_g: some versions of gcc are known to miscompile kernels. 4.2 and 4.3 are particularly bad I believe. 3.3 was pretty crappy too.... |
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| 23:14.23 | szymon_g | *default gcc = 4.3.2-1 |
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| 23:14.47 | abrotman | paissad-hp: if you want to do it the debian way .. you'll have to get the source packages from unstable |
| 23:14.53 | abrotman | paissad-hp: erm .. from experimental |
| 23:15.28 | szymon_g | hm... i never had an errors with that ;). after all, compilling kernel from scratch with gcc4.3 works for me :~ |
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| 23:19.28 | rockyrock | hi guys, do you consider ubuntu users as newbies? |
| 23:19.34 | alkyC | i would |
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| 23:19.37 | alkyC | why? |
| 23:19.41 | rockyrock | If yes, why? |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | please don't discuss this here |
| 23:20.06 | paissad-hp | how i can i see the tree of a package before installing it |
| 23:20.18 | rockyrock | abrotman: I don't want to discuss it, I just want to hear opinions |
| 23:20.19 | abrotman | tree ? |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | rockyrock: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:20.26 | paissad-hp | without going to google :) |
| 23:21.09 | paissad-hp | abrotman, for example, files which will got to /usr, to /lib, to /var etc |
| 23:21.14 | paissad-hp | etc ... |
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| 23:21.26 | themill | paissad-hp: packages.debian.org or apt-file show packagename |
| 23:21.26 | nsadmin | rockyrock: do you want to run debian or do you already? |
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| 23:21.41 | abrotman | nsadmin: he's in -offtopic .. |
| 23:22.30 | paissad-hp | themill, apt-file, command not found ! |
| 23:22.38 | themill | !installit |
| 23:22.38 | abrotman | install it |
| 23:22.38 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 23:22.49 | themill | paissad-hp: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:23.00 | paissad-hp | ok, |
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| 23:24.20 | racecar56 | who should /var/www be owned by |
| 23:24.34 | nsadmin | he's here too, and I'm there too now... and the question I posed is not :) |
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| 23:28.05 | lafrance | nsadmin, root |
| 23:28.24 | nsadmin | hmm? |
| 23:28.35 | lafrance | sorry wrong nick |
| 23:28.53 | nsadmin | oh, ok, np |
| 23:28.53 | lafrance | racecar56, root is the owner of /var/www |
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| 23:31.54 | sanmarcos | the debian lenny installation DVD, does it have a rescue mode?. I just want a basic shell for accessing my HD |
| 23:32.45 | rudi_s | sanmarcos: Yes. |
| 23:32.52 | ZenWalker | netinst |
| 23:32.57 | rudi_s | But the CD should be sufficient. |
| 23:33.03 | eltume | HELP: I'm using vbox-ose to run Devian Live CD LXDE as a guest OS but my guest os screen it larger than my monitor, to the extent that I can't even see my panel. How do I adjust this correctly ? |
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| 23:33.17 | sanmarcos | rudi_s: how do I get it? Rescue mode gives me an installation prompt |
| 23:33.45 | rudi_s | sanmarcos: That's the shell you want. You mount your HD with mount like you normaly can. |
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| 23:34.07 | sanmarcos | rudi_s: how do I get into the rescue shell with the CD/DVD? where is it? |
| 23:34.14 | themill | !rescue |
| 23:34.14 | dpkg | from memory, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
| 23:34.25 | eltume | hello how do I make my virtual box guest os display screen small enought to fix properly on my monitor |
| 23:34.49 | macrobat | eltume: sounds like a virtual screen, try xrandr |
| 23:35.16 | Titan8990 | eltume, you may need to reduce the resolution of the guest's display |
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| 23:35.37 | eltume | Titan hwo can I do that when I can't even see the PANEL |
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| 23:36.24 | lafrance | ok how do I get out of echo window only see > |
| 23:36.52 | sanmarcos | hmm I need netcat in my rescue CD, how do I install it? |
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| 23:37.41 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:37.41 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:38.25 | sanmarcos | no, I need the netcat tool in my rescue cd shell, how do I get it? |
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| 23:39.46 | abrotman | sanmarcos: which rescue CD ? |
| 23:40.14 | sanmarcos | abrotman: Debian Lenny, in Rescue Mode, you get a shell. I want to have netcat in that shell |
| 23:40.44 | abrotman | unless busybox has nc .. don't think you can unless you redo the CD |
| 23:40.53 | abrotman | busybox has nc |
| 23:41.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:41.42 | sanmarcos | ah nice, abrotman, so if I wanted other tools too I would have to look somewhere else |
| 23:42.02 | abrotman | like ... busybox ? |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | it should be on the CD already |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | !busybox |
| 23:42.17 | dpkg | BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilIties into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. |
| 23:42.24 | sanmarcos | yes but how do I get them to run? |
| 23:42.38 | ntrfug | !initrd |
| 23:42.38 | dpkg | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 23:42.44 | themill | sanmarcos: the rescue mode on the disk is just there to let you umm... rescue... a machine. If you need more, then you should be using something like a live cd. |
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| 23:43.23 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 23:44.03 | Serraphyn | Hello, I was wondering if anyone could give me ideas or pointers on how to make a webcam be a motion sensor and then use something like SMS to send an message when activated.... is tehre anything like that out there that will do this? |
| 23:44.32 | macrobat | can i cp or mv dotfiles with a buzybox? |
| 23:44.44 | abrotman | should be able to |
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| 23:46.07 | sanmarcos | is there a command to redetect all my hardware? |
| 23:46.11 | macrobat | ok, i had that buzybox problem on another distro :) |
| 23:46.34 | Andres_F | Hi, does someone know howto synchronize a folder from a flash drive do the hard disk |
| 23:47.08 | Guerin | Andres_F: cp -a |
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| 23:47.36 | quma | Serraphyn: dunno really, maybe Zoneminder? |
| 23:47.54 | sanmarcos | how can I see how fast my eth0 is? 10/100mb? |
| 23:48.14 | petemc | ethtool eth0 |
| 23:48.18 | Jimie | would anyone help me to get me any software name to create my own sms server ? |
| 23:48.34 | NiLon | you got gateway? :p |
| 23:48.42 | Jimie | yup |
| 23:48.45 | NiLon | or using own phone |
| 23:49.04 | sanmarcos | thanks petemc |
| 23:49.10 | petemc | np |
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| 23:49.40 | petemc | Jimie: apt-cache search sms server |
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| 23:50.19 | Jimie | okay thanks |
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| 23:50.55 | sanmarcos | how can I see the ip of my busybox machine? |
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| 23:51.01 | Andres_F | thank you Guerin, does it work in both directions??? from the hard disk to the flash drive and from the flash drive to the hard disk? and what if I change a file in my flash drive in another machine? |
| 23:51.16 | petemc | sanmarcos: ifconfig |
| 23:51.33 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.16 | petemc | it should be.. |
| 23:52.37 | sanmarcos | it isnt |
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| 23:53.17 | cyberbrain | hi all!has anybody had "power calibration error" while trying to burn DVD??? |
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| 23:54.16 | Andres_F | Guerin, I think I've found it... I will try this one: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/conduit-synchronize-your-data-in-easy-way.html thanks :) |
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| 23:55.16 | yurikoles | new stable driver http://www.nvidia.ru/content/license/driver_license.asp?language=ru&url=http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.29/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.29-pkg2.run |
| 23:55.32 | yurikoles | sorry http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.29/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.29-pkg2.run |
| 23:57.54 | sanmarcos | busybox has no ifconfig? |
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