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| 00:03.01 | FreakGuard | what's the best way to set up an own repo? |
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| 00:03.27 | nsadmin | look into dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources |
| 00:03.32 | DTal | Hi folks. I'm trying to set up a network bridge on my lenny box here. I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections. All seems to be working, except eth1 doesn't have the "RUNNING" flag set, and the computer at the other end claims "no carrier". |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | !tell FreakGuard about own repository |
| 00:03.52 | abrotman | !tell FreakGuard about repository |
| 00:04.12 | FreakGuard | thanks |
| 00:04.50 | DTal | (I'm bridging eth0 and eth1; eth0 is to have the main network connection, and eth1 is to connect my other machine into) |
| 00:05.21 | nsadmin | DTal: you could gateway instead of bridge |
| 00:05.30 | FreakGuard | DTal: would NAT be an option too? :-) |
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| 00:05.49 | DTal | I'd prefer to have them be on the same subnet. |
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| 00:06.15 | nsadmin | how many IPs do you have available? |
| 00:06.44 | DTal | On the subnet, as many as you like. |
| 00:07.02 | nsadmin | so you're doing nat? |
| 00:07.03 | DTal | Basically, I'm behind a NAT already. |
| 00:07.10 | nsadmin | oh I see |
| 00:07.15 | sanmarcos | is there a tool to redetect hardware? |
| 00:07.30 | sanmarcos | and write a new /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:07.31 | nsadmin | so you connect the other box the same way you're connecting this one |
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| 00:07.56 | DTal | It's mostly working, in that I'm talking to you through the bridge |
| 00:08.01 | nsadmin | the bridge is unnecessary, what you need is a hub or switch |
| 00:08.09 | DTal | I'm cheap :) |
| 00:08.33 | nsadmin | not with your time |
| 00:08.41 | DTal | no with my money |
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| 00:09.07 | DTal | I'm happy to invest time as I'm learning, and I'll get that time back at some point in the future |
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| 00:09.18 | nsadmin | the router doesn't have open ports on it? |
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| 00:09.40 | DTal | The router should be irrelevant. |
| 00:10.38 | nsadmin | if you're talking on the bridge now, that's working |
| 00:10.40 | DTal | Basically, I'm in my room. I have 1 network cable coming in, two NICs in my main box, and a third computer I want to have internet. |
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| 00:11.16 | DTal | The bridge is set up, the bridge has the ip instead of either of the NICs. But I'm still on my main box. |
| 00:11.21 | nsadmin | you'll need a crossover cable or a hub or switch |
| 00:11.41 | DTal | Why? Windows can do it with internet connection sharing |
| 00:11.57 | DTal | same thing essentially |
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| 00:12.11 | DTal | I have the spare cable, if that's what you mean |
| 00:12.53 | nsadmin | to connect ethernet from computer to computer, you need a special cable with some pins reversed, that's called a crossover cable |
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| 00:13.12 | Tramp | .... for hardware made in the last millenium .. |
| 00:13.33 | DTal | nsadmin: I'd never heard that before. |
| 00:13.44 | DTal | You sure that's not serial? |
| 00:14.04 | ntrfug | Are there any kernel compilers in the house? |
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| 00:14.14 | nsadmin | same concept, you just invented a null modem serial cable |
| 00:14.17 | DTal | I'm sure I've connected two computer with a regular length of cat-v. |
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| 00:15.10 | DTal | Surely an ethernet cable is an ethernet cable? |
| 00:15.18 | nsadmin | Tramp: so recent drivers can configure recent eth cards to reverse the appropriate pins? |
| 00:15.50 | Tramp | nsadmin: no. All modern HW has auto-sense (built into HW afaik. It's not a driver-function) |
| 00:16.22 | nsadmin | so if he's not getting a carrier maybe he has older hardware |
| 00:16.31 | DTal | reads the wiki article |
| 00:16.48 | DTal | Well, one is an iMac G3. |
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| 00:16.59 | DTal | The other is a P4-era motherboard |
| 00:17.03 | nsadmin | what's the one with 2 nics? |
| 00:17.18 | DTal | The P4-era motherboard |
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| 00:17.27 | DTal | I can look up the chipset |
| 00:17.34 | nsadmin | and are both nics on the mobo? |
| 00:17.36 | petemc | dmesg sgould show if it negotiates a link |
| 00:18.09 | DTal | eth0 is an ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11) |
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| 00:18.28 | DTal | eth1 is an Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 82) |
| 00:18.48 | DTal | eth0 is on the mobo |
| 00:18.56 | DTal | the other one is pci |
| 00:19.09 | nsadmin | which one is "inside"? |
| 00:20.12 | nsadmin | that is, which one is connected to your one incoming net cable? |
| 00:20.28 | nsadmin | that one woud be "outside" |
| 00:20.40 | DTal | the ADMtek one is one the mobo and has the internet connectio |
| 00:20.58 | DTal | I just added the other one to attempt this, hence pci |
| 00:21.04 | Tramp | apparently a G3 indeed has no auto-sesnse. So if the other card has no auto-sense as well, you'd indeed need a crossover-cable |
| 00:21.23 | DTal | Intersting... |
| 00:21.36 | DTal | I had no idea this was even an issue with ethernet |
| 00:21.38 | nsadmin | the intel is probably an ether express pro |
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| 00:22.09 | DTal | waitasec |
| 00:22.14 | DTal | I may have got those backwards |
| 00:22.43 | DTal | I have an identical NIC to the one I just put in and it says ADMtek on the chip |
| 00:23.06 | DTal | either way |
| 00:23.19 | DTal | if one of them supports it I can just switch the cables round right? |
| 00:23.38 | Tramp | yes. At least one has to support auto-sense. |
| 00:23.39 | nsadmin | probably, since it's a bridge |
| 00:23.51 | DTal | well here goes |
| 00:24.01 | Tramp | i.e. one of the two NICs you try to connect with a cable in between |
| 00:24.07 | DTal | lets see if I can do it before freenode times me out :) |
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| 00:26.28 | DTal | test |
| 00:26.36 | nsadmin | that works |
| 00:26.52 | DTal | well, that's the internet plugged into eth1 |
| 00:27.00 | DTal | lets see what eth0 makes of the g3 |
| 00:27.34 | nsadmin | so if worst comes to worst, your better purchase is a hub |
| 00:27.49 | nsadmin | or switch, -not- a crossover cable |
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| 00:28.09 | DTal | yeah, they aren't that expensive |
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| 00:28.26 | DTal | but equally I have no money |
| 00:28.37 | DTal | and everything's a learning exercise |
| 00:28.44 | nsadmin | even if the cable is cheaper, it won't serve you |
| 00:28.55 | hochron | can someone help me get my nvidia card to work? the failed xorg error log is here http://pastebin.com/m11eaed0 |
| 00:28.56 | nsadmin | at least not as well |
| 00:28.58 | DTal | well, I'm still getting no carrier |
| 00:29.04 | DTal | hm. |
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| 00:30.44 | DTal | hochron: You downloaded the wrong driver. Try the 96.43.xx series |
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| 00:31.08 | rgr | hochron: the log tells you whats wrong. Its the wrong driver for that old low power video card. |
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| 00:31.53 | DTal | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.13/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.13-pkg1.run |
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| 00:33.28 | hochron | ohhh dont I feel like a boob, thanks DTal and rgr |
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| 00:35.36 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 00:35.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 00:36.01 | DeepFrz | I've just installed Debian on my system but the install didn't set up an internet connection. How can I get that configured? |
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| 00:36.44 | ZenWalker | on linux, ati or nvidia?= |
| 00:36.54 | ZenWalker | better? |
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| 00:38.35 | hochron | is this what I type to drop to a terminal? /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:38.42 | DTal | ZenWalker: Depends if you value open-source-ness or just-working better |
| 00:39.01 | DTal | NVidia for just-working, if you ask me |
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| 00:40.04 | ZenWalker | DTal: open source |
| 00:40.28 | hochron | craigevil: I was using that tutorial but apparently my card is too old to do it the debian way |
| 00:40.30 | ZenWalker | the better open source, ati or nvidia |
| 00:40.33 | ZenWalker | ? |
| 00:41.12 | DTal | well, I don't use the opensource drivers, so I'm not an expert |
| 00:41.19 | DTal | but probably ATI |
| 00:41.27 | craigevil | hochron: there are nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx and nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx in debian repos |
| 00:41.52 | hochron | hmmm ok I will look into that, thanks |
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| 00:46.08 | aaron__ | hey |
| 00:46.25 | aaron__ | can someone help me with xorg? |
| 00:46.38 | aaron__ | I'm having issues on the ppc port |
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| 00:50.31 | paissad_ | how can i disable the beep when i use console |
| 00:52.29 | paissad_ | i ran alsamixer, i put pcspeaker to 0 level, but the matter remains ! |
| 00:52.33 | paissad_ | arf |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | !bell |
| 00:52.42 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
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| 00:54.50 | paissad_ | thanks |
| 00:55.04 | paissad_ | so when i want to have a little help, i do !*** |
| 00:55.09 | paissad_ | !apt |
| 00:55.09 | dpkg | APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 00:55.17 | paissad_ | k, i see |
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| 01:00.00 | nsadmin | paissad_: if you're thinking of doing !foo, also consider /msg dpkg foo |
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| 01:00.21 | paissad_ | :-) |
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| 01:03.43 | confused | hey guys do you know what's going on with debian? |
| 01:04.03 | confused | it's been decreasing in quality since lenny was released |
| 01:04.08 | nsadmin | package uploads mostly |
| 01:04.46 | nsadmin | it's allowed to do that, you're what, running sid? |
| 01:04.47 | confused | nsadmin this doesn't allow stable to be broken and that's what it is |
| 01:05.06 | confused | nsadmin I was running stable, now squeeze |
| 01:05.30 | nsadmin | squeeze is allowed to fluxuate, stable is not |
| 01:05.43 | confused | stable = rubbish for a stable distro, squeeze = the usual bugs, network manager showing as disconnected |
| 01:05.54 | confused | nsadmin well stable was giving me a new bug everyday |
| 01:06.15 | nsadmin | did you report those? |
| 01:06.31 | craigevil | stable is fine if you need newer apps use backports or backport them from sid |
| 01:06.53 | confused | from the hanging of the system when I try to shutdown (from the GUI) to the disappearing of the panels and then strangely sometimes reappearing |
| 01:07.17 | nsadmin | so, |
| 01:07.18 | nsadmin | did you report those? |
| 01:07.34 | confused | nsadmin I tried to use bug buddy but I want to send particular emails with human explanation and I got no help from deb forums |
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| 01:08.04 | nsadmin | what's bug buddy |
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| 01:08.15 | confused | nsadmin the bug reporting sstem |
| 01:08.31 | nsadmin | hmm, never heard of that till now |
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| 01:08.42 | Neo1211 | Hey - is there any way to FORCE a user to use the "rbash" shell? I know I can set that as the default, but then.. as soon as they type "bash" they are in the regular bash shell. |
| 01:08.52 | rixth | Is there an updated Bind9 package for Lenny yet? |
| 01:08.59 | nsadmin | but still, did you actually file bug reports? |
| 01:09.06 | confused | nsadmin no |
| 01:09.18 | confused | nsadmin I tried to as I said but got RTFM |
| 01:09.29 | confused | nsadmin obviously I'd read it before asking |
| 01:09.36 | craigevil | !reportbug |
| 01:09.36 | dpkg | methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
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| 01:10.05 | nsadmin | they can't fix what they don't know about :) |
| 01:10.16 | confused | nsadmin problem is |
| 01:10.24 | confused | nsadmin the bugs need explaining |
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| 01:10.41 | confused | nsadmin and I ran reportbug (not bugbuddy - my bad) |
| 01:11.22 | ajavid | bugbuddy" |
| 01:11.35 | confused | it'll be nice to be able to write a letter explaining what happened. I don't know what package cause it. If I knew i wouldn't be using it |
| 01:12.15 | nsadmin | once you submit a bug for the first time using reportbug, you should get an email stating the bug number |
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| 01:12.45 | nsadmin | after that, you can email to thatnumber@bugs.debian.org to add this explanitory letter |
| 01:12.51 | debayan | !! |
| 01:12.51 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 01:13.14 | debayan | !? |
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| 01:14.22 | shadow` | any way to just let traffic from specific IP's drop? |
| 01:14.29 | shadow` | not a firewal, but from debian itself? |
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| 01:15.13 | rixth | You would need iptables, (ie. firewall) |
| 01:15.18 | nsadmin | shadowmaster: normally iptables is enabled in the kernels |
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| 01:15.43 | nsadmin | you could add rules to an otherwise accepting network situation |
| 01:16.00 | confused | etc/hosts? |
| 01:16.14 | confused | or firestarter |
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| 01:18.05 | hochron | craigevil: do I use this command? m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source, I am trying to install my legacy nvidia card? |
| 01:19.00 | shadow` | and how would i add an incomming IP adres to drop with IPTABLES? |
| 01:19.11 | hochron | or am I supposed to type something over version? |
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| 01:20.59 | craigevil | hochron: version is fine it will install the one you need |
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| 01:21.13 | hochron | thanks craigevil |
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| 01:21.32 | shadow` | nvm, get bunch of errors when using IPTABLES |
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| 01:30.16 | Kevin` | my monitor says 'out of range' when I start X, but of course xorg.conf is empty, so it's kind of hard to find where to put changes. any help? |
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| 01:30.56 | gasull | Hi. There's a cafe closeby where everybody seems to connect to its wireless with theyr Macs, but I can't connect with my Debian laptop. What could be the reason for this? I can use wireless connection anywhere else, aparently. Thanks. |
| 01:31.14 | gasull | s/theyr/their/ |
| 01:31.41 | debayan | How do I find out which package a particular file on my system belongs to? |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | debayan: dpkg -S |
| 01:31.56 | gasull | I use Wicd, btw |
| 01:31.57 | debayan | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | or apt-file if it's not installed |
| 01:32.14 | Kevin` | nobody? |
| 01:32.54 | rixth | Why would a package get held back? |
| 01:33.04 | gasull | should I ask my question somewhere else? |
| 01:33.33 | rixth | gasull: you just need to wait here - most of us don't just sit here 100% of the time =) |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | rixth: using which command ? |
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| 01:33.53 | rixth | abrotman: apt-get |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | rixth: the full command ? |
| 01:34.02 | rixth | I'm upgrading bind9 on one of our routers. |
| 01:34.02 | gasull | rixth: yes. Just wondering if i might ask in another channel :-) |
| 01:34.12 | rixth | apt-get upgrade bind9 |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | gasull: can you see the AP if you scan ? |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | rixth: which package is held back ? |
| 01:34.28 | rixth | bind9. |
| 01:34.38 | rixth | It does a whole bunch of other packages though |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 01:34.42 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | rixth: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade .. what additional packages is it going to install ? |
| 01:35.16 | gasull | abrotman: yes, I see the AP but when I try to connect with its WEP password it doesn't work. I've tried several days and I always leave to another cafe. |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | gasull: does your card support WEP? does your driver? |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | (hard to believe it wouldn't) |
| 01:36.02 | rixth | http://pastie.org/564638 I can't run that command at the moment, cuase I'm running that paste |
| 01:36.19 | gasull | rixth: b/c it depends on other pckgs that can't be installed, maybe? |
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| 01:36.34 | gasull | abrotman: yes, I use WEP at home |
| 01:36.56 | rixth | gasull: have you got WPA installed and working? |
| 01:37.04 | rixth | Are you able to test that with your wifi router at home? |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | !held back |
| 01:37.08 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
| 01:37.40 | rixth | Cool thanks abrotman, dpkg. |
| 01:37.42 | gasull | Kevin`: Maybe try to reinstall X or download a default xorg.conf |
| 01:38.37 | gasull | rixth: I always connect to my WEP wireless at home with no problems. I can also connect to several wireless networks anywhere I go. |
| 01:38.52 | rixth | Yes, but the one at the cafe might use WPA encryption |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | gasull: you're sure you have the key right ? |
| 01:39.53 | gasull | rixth, abrotman: Right now I am in another cafe just in front of the other one. I can get its signal from here. Wicd manager says its network is WEP |
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| 01:40.08 | gasull | rixth, abrotman: and yes, the password is right |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | key .. not password |
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| 01:40.35 | abrotman | gasull: do you have another OS on the machine ? |
| 01:41.44 | gasull | abrotman: wait. I think I saw what's wrong :-) |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:44.42 | sanmarcos | anyway to see how many kb/s mb/s my network card is pushing? |
| 01:45.12 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Take a look at the "bwm" or "bwm-ng" package |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | iftop |
| 01:45.18 | elenril | iptraf |
| 01:45.25 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: The GNOME System Monitor also has nice graphs of that, and KDE probably has something similar |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 01:46.01 | sanmarcos | a 100 mbps network should push about 800 KB/sec right? |
| 01:46.38 | Wyzard | about 10MB/sec, actually |
| 01:46.59 | Wyzard | 100/8 is about 12.5, but some of that is overhead |
| 01:47.48 | sanmarcos | so really about ~1000 KB is a 10 mb ethernet |
| 01:48.11 | sanmarcos | 10036332032 bytes (10 GB) copied, 6417.87 seconds, 1.6 MB/s |
| 01:49.10 | Wyzard | That seems way too slow |
| 01:49.14 | M06w | how do I set where new files inherit their permissions from? |
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| 01:49.48 | M06w | files/folder |
| 01:49.49 | M06w | s |
| 01:49.50 | Wyzard | Perhaps your network wasn't the bottleneck in that transfer |
| 01:49.51 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: how fast is an IDE drive? MB/sec? |
| 01:49.58 | abrotman | !tell M06w about permissions |
| 01:50.10 | Wyzard | depends on the drive, but much faster than 10 unless it's very old |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | sanmarcos: depends on the actual version of IDE |
| 01:50.19 | macrobat | M06w: umask, dmask, fmask set it in ~/.bashrc |
| 01:50.24 | macrobat | oh |
| 01:50.36 | Wyzard | I recently tested some of Seagate's 1.5TB drives and they can write between 120MB/sec and 80MB/sec depending on what part of the drive is being written to |
| 01:50.39 | M06w | oh? |
| 01:50.45 | Wyzard | (didn't test read speed, but that should be faster than writing) |
| 01:51.00 | macrobat | i type too slow, M06w |
| 01:51.09 | sanmarcos | how can I test abrotman? how fast is my drive? |
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| 01:51.20 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: hdparm -t gives Timing buffered disk reads: 12 MB in 3.56 seconds = 3.37 MB/sec |
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| 01:51.31 | abrotman | sanmarcos: on both machines ? |
| 01:52.04 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Timing buffered disk reads: 206 MB in 3.02 seconds = 68.16 MB/sec |
| 01:52.11 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: IDE/SATA? |
| 01:52.18 | Wyzard | SATA |
| 01:52.20 | sanmarcos | right |
| 01:52.29 | sanmarcos | the bottle neck is the HD |
| 01:52.38 | sanmarcos | abrotman: the other machine is OS X, no hdparm |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | doesn't mean it can't be slow |
| 01:52.51 | Wyzard | or maybe your disk controller isn't using DMA for some reason |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | sanmarcos: even my crappy laptop does over 20MB/sec |
| 01:53.11 | sanmarcos | how can I check if I am using DMA? |
| 01:53.20 | sanmarcos | abrotman: on IDE? |
| 01:53.21 | phlux | k, so I upgraded my kernel, and if I boot into the new kernel, compiz won't work anymore |
| 01:53.24 | phlux | any ideas? |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | sanmarcos: yes .. laptop IDE .. probably a 4200rpm drive |
| 01:53.35 | sanmarcos | phlux: probably nvidia/ati driver issue |
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| 01:53.43 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: hdparm -I |
| 01:53.50 | phlux | argh |
| 01:53.53 | phlux | it just white screens |
| 01:53.54 | phlux | :\ |
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| 01:54.02 | phlux | It couldn't be that compiz was installed on another kernel? :D |
| 01:54.08 | hochron | I think I'm close, this is my xorg error log, http://pastebin.com/m11f520b5, I'm trying to install a legacy nvidia card |
| 01:54.17 | sanmarcos | DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 |
| 01:54.42 | hochron | I even added a module section in xorg.conf |
| 01:54.54 | hochron | but took it out |
| 01:54.59 | Wyzard | hmm... either your controller or your disk is very old, or you're using a 40-wire IDE cable rather than an 80-wire one |
| 01:55.18 | sanmarcos | could be, its an old computer |
| 01:55.37 | Wyzard | Well, I guess it isn't the disk that's old if it says it supports UDMA5 |
| 01:56.09 | Wyzard | so the controller or the cable |
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| 01:57.06 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: any way to see the controller from the command line? |
| 01:57.06 | sanmarcos | lspci gives this: 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) |
| 01:57.20 | hochron | the log essentially say it failed to load the nvidia module |
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| 01:57.52 | hochron | do I need a module section? |
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| 01:58.02 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: That's the controller |
| 01:58.26 | abrotman | that is kind of old though IIRC |
| 01:59.30 | Wyzard | though 3.3MB/sec seems slow even for that |
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| 01:59.59 | sanmarcos | is there a way to check if a disk is IDE or SATA from the command line? |
| 02:00.48 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: the controller should be shown in lspci |
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| 02:01.23 | sanmarcos | pickcoder: it should say IDE, vs SATA |
| 02:01.38 | pickcoder | s/IDE/ATA |
| 02:01.46 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: The PIIX4 is from before SATA existed |
| 02:01.47 | pickcoder | or PATA |
| 02:02.15 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: yeah but it still shouldn't be 3MB/s, probably more like 10, right? |
| 02:02.22 | Wyzard | but the words "IDE interface" in the lspci output tells you what it is |
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| 02:04.24 | pickcoder | hdparm can be used to obtain drive info |
| 02:04.27 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Run "hdparm -d" on the drive and check whether that says it's using DMA |
| 02:04.34 | pickcoder | get the model# and look it up online |
| 02:04.40 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: yep |
| 02:04.56 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: it must be the cable |
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| 02:05.12 | riomare1 | can i get mozilla FF on debian |
| 02:05.13 | riomare1 | ? |
| 02:05.19 | krauser530 | yes |
| 02:05.20 | riomare1 | cause i dont like the iceweasel |
| 02:05.22 | Wyzard | OK, so you really are using DMA (IIRC, the *udma2 just means that's the mode it'd use if DMA is enabled, not necessarily that it's actually using it, but "hdparm -d" says you're really using it) |
| 02:05.49 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Using a 40-wire cable limits you to udma2 even if both the disk and the controller can go faster |
| 02:05.54 | krauser530 | iceweasel is firefox but optimized for debian systems |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | riomare1: it's the same thing |
| 02:06.10 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: how can I see if my cable is 40 wire, vs 80 wire? |
| 02:06.15 | krauser530 | you can also go to the firefox website and download the package straight from there |
| 02:06.21 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Open the case and look at it |
| 02:06.48 | Wyzard | riomare1: It's the same software, just with the name and logos changed to avoid infringing Mozilla's trademarks |
| 02:06.52 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: yes, that was my question, what should I look for on the IDE cable? |
| 02:07.23 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: http://www.mikeshardware.com/pics/ide8040pin.jpg |
| 02:07.27 | M06w | ok so umask sets the system wide standard new file permissions, but how do I set that for a specific directory and everything in it |
| 02:07.28 | riomare1 | Wyzard: yes i know but i don't like the logo :c you have latest version installe? |
| 02:07.34 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: the wires are the same size as the floppy controller for 40-pin |
| 02:07.55 | Wyzard | riomare1: I have the version that's in sid, which is 3.0.12 |
| 02:08.11 | pickcoder | also, most 80-pin cables have a blue host connector and a black disk connector |
| 02:08.18 | pickcoder | 4-pin has black connectors on both ends |
| 02:08.20 | sanmarcos | thank you sir Wyzard |
| 02:08.23 | pickcoder | !40-pin |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | 3.5 is in experimental, but requires some packages from sid IIRC |
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| 02:09.29 | riomare1 | but what about python, ruby packages and other programming languages that aren't up to date? |
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| 02:09.40 | riomare1 | so i cant programm in the newest version? |
| 02:09.53 | Wyzard | riomare1: What do Python and Ruby have to do with Firefox/Iceweasel? |
| 02:09.59 | riomare1 | nothing |
| 02:10.13 | riomare1 | i am just asking about the versions of certain packages |
| 02:10.35 | Wyzard | riomare1: You can use http://packages.debian.org/ to look up any package you're interested in |
| 02:11.26 | hochron | did I miss a step in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries? |
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| 02:12.21 | Wyzard | riomare1: Python 2.5 is the default (e.g. /usr/bin/python) in sid, and 2.6 is available; 3.1 is in experimental |
| 02:13.00 | riomare1 | Wyzard: 2.6 is in unstable? |
| 02:13.41 | hochron | why do I have openVZ start by default in my grub? |
| 02:13.43 | Wyzard | riomare1: ah, sorry, looks like that's in experimental too |
| 02:13.54 | sanmarcos | yep Wyzard 40 pin cable! |
| 02:14.15 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Replace that and you might be able to get a better UDMA mode, depending on what the PIIX4 is capable of |
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| 02:14.18 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 02:14.22 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: automatically? |
| 02:14.26 | pickcoder | and the drive itself |
| 02:14.28 | sanmarcos | on reboot? |
| 02:14.40 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: yeah, the controller and drive automatically negotiate the fastest supported mode |
| 02:15.04 | Wyzard | well, rather, the driver automatically puts the controller in the fastest mode that both it and the drive support |
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| 02:15.56 | riomare1 | Wyzard: u have any experimental packages installed? |
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| 02:16.10 | Wyzard | riomare1: At the moment, I don't think so |
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| 02:17.17 | man_in_shack | hum |
| 02:17.56 | enouf | sanmarcos: what's the CPU? |
| 02:17.58 | man_in_shack | broken multiarch on gcc-4.4 ... |
| 02:18.02 | man_in_shack | yay for side |
| 02:18.02 | hochron | should I put a modprobe nvidia in rc.local? |
| 02:18.03 | man_in_shack | *sid |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | hochron: /etc/modules |
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| 02:18.20 | hochron | ok |
| 02:18.21 | Wyzard | hochron: The nvidia xorg driver will load the module automatically |
| 02:18.29 | riomare1 | Wyzard doesn't it bother you that you don't have latest versions installed? |
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| 02:18.43 | enouf | sanmarcos: udma2* is normal for a pentiumII era system |
| 02:19.03 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: but the motherboard has to support 80 pin cables right, they seem different, one of the pins doesnt have a hole in the cable |
| 02:19.18 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: An 80-wire cable still only has 40 pins |
| 02:19.20 | hochron | Wyzard: but my xorg log says it failed to load module NVIDIA |
| 02:19.27 | enouf | and also the best/fastest the 440BX set will do |
| 02:19.33 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: The others are shielding to reduce electromagnetic interference between the signal lines |
| 02:20.00 | pickcoder | riomare1: if you have an issue with a specific package version then build it from source under /usr/local/src/ and install it /usr/local/. Just be ready to build all the dependencies manually and uninstall binay packages as needed to replace them with source installs as well. |
| 02:20.08 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: yep but the 80 pin cable I have here has one of the holes covered |
| 02:20.18 | pickcoder | and make sure you can debug your own install/config problems |
| 02:20.26 | hochron | can you apt-get uninstall packages? |
| 02:20.28 | enouf | sanmarcos: pin 20 |
| 02:20.44 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: that's an alignment key |
| 02:20.47 | enouf | sanmarcos: look at any drive, missing pin ;-) |
| 02:20.50 | pickcoder | so you don't plug it in backwards |
| 02:20.54 | Wyzard | riomare1: If I wanted to do Python programming for 3.x I might install the experimental 3.1 package, but for the system's default Python installation (used by various sytem things) what matters is that it's the version that other packages currently need, not that it's the latest |
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| 02:21.03 | sanmarcos | yes but the motherboard has no "Alignment key" |
| 02:21.15 | enouf | sanmarcos: an 80wire cable won't help, but try anyway - they are better and newer cables |
| 02:21.23 | hochron | maybe I have a conflict with new drivers. (I have since gone to legacy) |
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| 02:21.32 | enouf | sanmarcos: wrong end |
| 02:21.49 | sanmarcos | nope, both ends have one hole covered in the connector enouf |
| 02:21.56 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: You don't have one of the middle-ish pins missing on the IDE port on the motherboard? |
| 02:22.03 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: right! |
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| 02:22.31 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 02:22.39 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: I had a board like that once... I managed to find an 80-wire cable without an alignment key, somehow |
| 02:22.42 | man_in_shack | no, it's broken multiarch with gcc-4.3 on sid |
| 02:22.43 | man_in_shack | yay |
| 02:22.47 | enouf | sanmarcos: they weren't smart enough back then to do that then - man |
| 02:23.03 | sanmarcos | right, so unless I find a 80 pin cable without alignmnet key I am out of luck |
| 02:23.15 | pickcoder | sanmarcos: pick up an ata-133 controller for $15 |
| 02:23.24 | pickcoder | disable the onboard |
| 02:23.24 | enouf | sanmarcos: they never made 80wire cables for p2 era machines, they were designed for p3/p4 era |
| 02:23.33 | Wyzard | yeah, I'd recommend that too |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | or just scrap the whole box |
| 02:23.48 | pickcoder | the bios should help with LBA |
| 02:23.54 | enouf | sanmarcos: i'm using 80wire cables on my p2, guess your Mainboard stinks a bit |
| 02:23.54 | sanmarcos | abrotman: good idea! |
| 02:23.59 | pickcoder | versus your ancient mb |
| 02:24.16 | enouf | sanmarcos: it wouldn't have helped anyway then |
| 02:24.47 | sanmarcos | enouf: 80 pin vs 40 pin wouldnt have made much difference because my motherboard (which doesnt even have alignment key) still sucked? |
| 02:24.49 | pickcoder | enouf: that's like buying extended warranty for an auto |
| 02:24.54 | enouf | thinks sanmarcos has enouf on /ig :-P |
| 02:24.56 | pickcoder | "feel good" factor |
| 02:24.58 | enouf | oh, nm |
| 02:25.18 | enouf | sanmarcos: no, because of what i originally stated about it |
| 02:25.40 | enouf | pickcoder: they were free |
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| 02:25.46 | enouf | and came with drives |
| 02:25.54 | pickcoder | you can get free drives with cables? |
| 02:25.59 | pickcoder | I want one |
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| 02:26.19 | abrotman | gives pickcoder one |
| 02:26.20 | pickcoder | I need two for my left monitor |
| 02:26.27 | pickcoder | it's 1.5" too low |
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| 02:26.57 | enouf | retail drives, ofcourse, .. oh wait, no, they came with some other motherboard - and actually, i pulled other 80wire cables from old broken p4 boxes, as well as p133 RAM and such |
| 02:27.26 | pickcoder | still eyeballing that quad-LCD stand on the 'egg |
| 02:27.39 | hochron | how do you find out the module names? will adding nvidia to /etc/modules suffice? |
| 02:27.51 | enouf | yeah, multimonitors isthe way to go .. too bad |
| 02:27.56 | Wyzard | hochron: "nvidia" is the name of the module, but you don't need to put it in /etc/modules |
| 02:28.06 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 02:28.14 | man_in_shack | problem is i'm missing lib32gcc1=4.3.* |
| 02:28.52 | Wyzard | hochron: If the xorg driver is failing to load it, trying to load it via /etc/modules will just fail too |
| 02:29.12 | Wyzard | hochron: What happens when you try to "modprobe nvidia"? |
| 02:29.15 | sanmarcos | enouf: hold on rebooting to see what CPU it has |
| 02:29.16 | enouf | hochron: actally, kernel source _usually_ tells you the name - also Kconfig* does many times - however, that wouldn't help with out-of-kernel things ;-) |
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| 02:29.32 | enouf | sanmarcos: you need to reboot to see CPU? |
| 02:29.39 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:29.40 | sanmarcos | enouf: yes, I dont remember! |
| 02:29.47 | enouf | sanmarcos: see /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:29.56 | pickcoder | it may be too old to remember what kind it is |
| 02:29.58 | enouf | sanmarcos: and /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:30.00 | pickcoder | bwaha |
| 02:30.16 | enouf | pickcoder: hahah .. it has alzhe..? oh nm |
| 02:30.20 | enouf | not even funny |
| 02:30.43 | pickcoder | isn't even 40 yet and forgets things within 24 hours |
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| 02:30.50 | pickcoder | having twins will do that |
| 02:31.09 | enouf | !congratulate pickcoder |
| 02:31.09 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies pickcoder, you did it! |
| 02:31.23 | sanmarcos | enouf: oddly, model name: Pentium III (Katmai) |
| 02:31.25 | hochron | hmmm modprobe didn't work, why am I using an openVZ kernel now? I didn't tell it to do that |
| 02:31.35 | pickcoder | solid processor |
| 02:31.45 | pickcoder | find a decent mobo |
| 02:31.52 | sanmarcos | yeah but its weird the mobo has no support for 80 pin cables |
| 02:31.56 | enouf | sanmarcos: yeah - that's borderline ..it's the chipset though that counts, lspci -nn > pastebin |
| 02:32.13 | hochron | Wyzard: I get this error message FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-openvz-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 02:32.30 | keith4_ | interesting |
| 02:32.30 | sanmarcos | enouf: http://pastie.caboo.se/564696 |
| 02:32.33 | enouf | but mine get's recongnized as Katmai/Deshutes/Xeon in mplayer ... hehe, and it's a Deshutes |
| 02:32.38 | pickcoder | openvz? |
| 02:32.39 | keith4_ | hochron, are you sure you have an nvidia card?? |
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| 02:32.57 | hochron | hmmm yes |
| 02:33.06 | enouf | that paste site is slow |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | hochron: paste the output of 'lspci -nn' in a pastebin |
| 02:33.17 | enouf | i think it's dead sanmarcos |
| 02:33.17 | Wyzard | hochron: that means the module didn't find any hardware that it supports |
| 02:33.26 | enouf | "looking up host" |
| 02:33.46 | sanmarcos | enouf: http://jardinpresente.com.ar/archivos/564696.txt |
| 02:34.08 | enouf | sanmarcos: the 82801 was the one after the 440bx .. radical design change of mobo at that time :-P |
| 02:34.37 | sanmarcos | right, that is when they might have put better IDE controllers/connectors |
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| 02:35.09 | hochron | abrotman: here it is http://pastebin.com/m455e3efa |
| 02:35.24 | keith4_ | "GeForce4 MX 4000" |
| 02:35.33 | hochron | yep |
| 02:35.34 | enouf | what - is my inet broken? .. haha .. uh oh, something is amiss |
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| 02:35.39 | man_in_shack | hmm |
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| 02:35.43 | man_in_shack | lib32gcc1=4.3.3-5 is no longer available :( |
| 02:36.46 | ajavid | am i online |
| 02:36.50 | ajavid | !ping |
| 02:36.50 | dpkg | Yes, ajavid, you are online. |
| 02:36.53 | ajavid | !ping |
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| 02:37.20 | hochron | GeForce4 MX 4000 is a legacy nvidia card |
| 02:37.28 | man_in_shack | glares at ajavid |
| 02:37.43 | ajavid | irc windows wasn't updating |
| 02:37.48 | ajavid | I couldn't see nothing new |
| 02:37.53 | ajavid | had to restart irssi |
| 02:38.01 | Ezep | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.07 | man_in_shack | could you see yourself typing? |
| 02:38.07 | sanmarcos | I just wanted to know because I have to dd | netcat 56GB and I wasn't getting full 100mbit throughput, I guess the best I am going to get (according to the netcat average is 1.6MB/s) so, it will take about 9.27 hours |
| 02:38.10 | ajavid | didn't work |
| 02:38.15 | ajavid | its bound to f5 (refresh) |
| 02:38.35 | ajavid | man_in_shack, no |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | hochron: you may need the nvidia-legacy stuff |
| 02:38.40 | ajavid | man_in_shack, input line was whacky |
| 02:38.48 | man_in_shack | ajavid, "whacky" in what way? |
| 02:38.55 | ajavid | man_in_shack, wrong place, weird chars |
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| 02:39.11 | hochron | should I try to load the driver from nvidia's website, currently I am trying to tweak this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 02:39.12 | ajavid | had system output come into irssi terminal |
| 02:39.15 | man_in_shack | ah, probably an ncurses stuff-up then |
| 02:39.15 | ajavid | that threw it off |
| 02:39.17 | ajavid | yeh |
| 02:39.20 | man_in_shack | Ctrl+L may have hlped, i think |
| 02:39.26 | ajavid | whats that do? |
| 02:39.51 | man_in_shack | get the terminal to refresh |
| 02:39.51 | man_in_shack | iirc |
| 02:39.56 | ajavid | I see |
| 02:40.09 | ajavid | man_in_shack, you are still developing on deluge? |
| 02:40.32 | hochron | ok what is the gcc variable, I compiled the kernel with 4.1 but it is pointing to 4.3 |
| 02:40.36 | Wyzard | hochron: No, don't use the driver from nvidia's website |
| 02:40.36 | man_in_shack | no |
| 02:40.46 | man_in_shack | ajavid, i never got around to learning the plugin system for 0.6/1.0 |
| 02:40.57 | Wyzard | hochron: there are separate packages for the legacy driver; apt-cache search nvidia-legacy |
| 02:40.58 | ajavid | I see |
| 02:41.18 | ajavid | man_in_shack, I'm making a program that depends on libnotify and incron |
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| 02:41.56 | ajavid | man_in_shack, you tell it what to monitor, and what to launch when monitored, basically did this to autolaunch and systray feedback for running unit tests when the file is saved |
| 02:42.04 | ajavid | man_in_shack, deluge remains to be my favorite client |
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| 02:42.40 | ajavid | man_in_shack, I'm actually still on the lenny version |
| 02:42.50 | ajavid | judd versions deluge-torrent |
| 02:42.50 | judd | ajavid: deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1 lenny: 0.5.9.3-1 experimental: 1.1.2.dfsg-1 squeeze: 1.1.8+dfsg-3 sid: 1.1.9+dfsg-1 |
| 02:42.57 | hochron | do I need to install the bigmem and openvz things? |
| 02:43.12 | ajavid | bigmem? |
| 02:43.25 | ajavid | you want x86 with 4+gb? |
| 02:43.31 | ajavid | why not amd64 |
| 02:43.44 | man_in_shack | maybe he has a 32bit cpu |
| 02:43.55 | ajavid | o yeah, silly me |
| 02:44.11 | hochron | I installed this driver nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6-686 |
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| 02:44.57 | ajavid | I haven't used nvidia since oklahoma city |
| 02:45.02 | ajavid | 5 years or so |
| 02:45.05 | ajavid | 4 |
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| 02:45.29 | hochron | but now grub defaults to openvz |
| 02:46.17 | Dominicus | [ |
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| 02:47.19 | ajavid | ] |
| 02:47.46 | ajavid | is backporting latest deluge |
| 02:48.27 | Akuw | how can i add a DVD in sources.list manually, i don't have Xorg |
| 02:48.34 | ajavid | apt-cdrom |
| 02:48.41 | xshadowfire | is it possible to manually install debian from a recovery console |
| 02:48.57 | ajavid | xshadowfire, yes. what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:49.15 | ajavid | xshadowfire, if you can get a live cd booted you can use debootstrap, if you have a failed debiani nstall, it depends on how it failed |
| 02:49.21 | xshadowfire | well |
| 02:49.40 | xshadowfire | I want to raid0 my server |
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| 02:49.51 | xshadowfire | which I don't have physical access to |
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| 02:50.08 | Akuw | i want to compress a whole dir using zip |
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| 02:50.12 | Akuw | how can i do it? |
| 02:50.14 | xshadowfire | or actually |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | Akuw: man zip ? |
| 02:50.22 | ajavid | Akuw, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 02:50.25 | Akuw | the dir have 1000 images |
| 02:50.33 | ajavid | skav3n, download zip from there (I think zip is non-free isn't it) |
| 02:50.33 | xshadowfire | my friend tried to debootstrap it |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | what does non-free have to do with it ? |
| 02:50.42 | ajavid | I thought |
| 02:50.43 | macrobat | i did "aptitude install grub-legacy&m" to mark grub-legacy as manually installed. "aptitude search grub" still shows it with an "A" as in automatic. is this normal? |
| 02:50.45 | ajavid | oh no its rar |
| 02:50.46 | ajavid | nm |
| 02:50.51 | xshadowfire | but he couldn't get lvm+raid0 working properly |
| 02:50.52 | ajavid | rar and unrar are in non-free |
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| 02:51.04 | xshadowfire | something about initrd <.< |
| 02:51.15 | ajavid | abrotman, brain fart |
| 02:51.27 | xshadowfire | is it possible to get debug output from an initramfs over a serial console |
| 02:51.31 | abrotman | actually .. there is a rar in main |
| 02:51.37 | ajavid | there is |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | judd: versions unrar-free |
| 02:51.40 | judd | abrotman: unrar-free -- etch: 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 lenny: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 |
| 02:51.46 | xshadowfire | ajavid: do tell |
| 02:51.49 | ajavid | how is it free |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | and i think p7zip can do rar too ? |
| 02:51.59 | xshadowfire | oh |
| 02:52.00 | ajavid | xshadowfire, oh I meant i was talking to abrotman |
| 02:52.04 | xshadowfire | â(´дï½)â |
| 02:52.29 | ajavid | hmm intersting |
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| 03:04.10 | hochron | ok I figured it out!! thank all the people that helped, now I have to tweak grub to default to the correct kernel, currently it default to an openvz kernel... I dont even know what that is |
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| 03:05.42 | hochron | so how do I change the grub menu? I like lilo better but am trying to be versed in new things |
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| 03:06.34 | AMadman | The php5-cli package I have has thread safety disabled. How can I change the package rules to enable thread safety? I have downloaded the package source and all dependencies. |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 03:07.09 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
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| 03:08.05 | pickcoder | hochron: look in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the kernel lines |
| 03:08.11 | macrobat | hochron: there are ## lines in menu.lst that describe what the # lines do |
| 03:08.13 | pickcoder | fist entry is "default 0" |
| 03:08.19 | pickcoder | second is 1 |
| 03:08.19 | pickcoder | etc |
| 03:08.28 | pickcoder | change default # to the kernel you want to boot by default |
| 03:08.52 | AMadman | Ah. Thank you very much, abrotman. |
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| 03:12.00 | xshadowfire | ok so I've got a working debian etch install and 2 hard drives - etch is installed on one, the other is unpartitioned. I want to sofware raid0 them - can someone point me in the right direction? >: |
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| 03:12.23 | xshadowfire | no physical access, just ssh, kvm, and a recovery console |
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| 03:22.17 | hochron | thanks pickcoder |
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| 03:23.47 | Matt- | any1 alive? |
| 03:24.12 | chrisb | half dead |
| 03:24.14 | Matt- | :) |
| 03:24.15 | Matt- | good |
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| 03:24.21 | Matt- | if i want to add another superuser ? |
| 03:24.46 | b0nn | I want to have an interface listen for two addresses |
| 03:24.49 | b0nn | I think |
| 03:25.16 | Matt- | with 1 line is it: adduser -u o -g 0 username ? |
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| 03:25.28 | ZenWalker | adduser --system ? |
| 03:25.36 | ZenWalker | man adduser |
| 03:25.39 | Matt- | ZenWalker: ive got only access to webmail |
| 03:25.43 | Matt- | blah, webadmin |
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| 03:26.03 | chrisb | Matt: you mean give another user root powers? |
| 03:26.16 | Matt- | chrisb: yep |
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| 03:27.04 | chrisb | Matt: use sudo (man sudo) and restrict their powers as necessary |
| 03:27.19 | Matt- | chrisb: i cant, i need to change roots passwd |
| 03:27.28 | Matt- | and i cant do it on webadmin |
| 03:27.46 | Matt- | so i need to have 1 line command to create an user with root priviliges |
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| 03:28.52 | Matt- | so i need to set password etc... |
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| 03:29.09 | chrisb | Matt: whats wrong with the passwd command, as root? I must be missing something here. |
| 03:29.10 | gasull | Hi. what's the best place to put a macchanger command in the startup? rc.local? Thanks. |
| 03:29.24 | nsadmin | Matt-: are you logged in as root now? |
| 03:29.31 | Matt- | nsadmin: yeah, but from webadmin |
| 03:29.32 | fokner | how to know the release of the debian i am using? |
| 03:29.41 | Matt- | chrisb: i cant type in password and then repeat them. |
| 03:29.46 | Matt- | as its web based. |
| 03:29.52 | Matt- | it comes out with |
| 03:30.02 | nsadmin | Matt-: you need to be in via ssh or the like |
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| 03:30.53 | Matt- | nsadmin: yeah i know, but to log in via ssh i need to create another user ;) |
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| 03:31.20 | nsadmin | you can't get in as root directly? |
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| 03:31.27 | nsadmin | and there are no other users? |
| 03:31.45 | Matt- | nsadmin: no other users and i dont know roots passwd |
| 03:32.03 | nsadmin | you don't know root's passwd and you're trying to change it?? |
| 03:32.14 | Matt- | yep. |
| 03:32.20 | Matt- | i can log in via webadmin as root |
| 03:32.25 | Matt- | but cant change pass from there |
| 03:32.27 | nsadmin | so you don't own the box |
| 03:32.32 | chrisb | Matt: Have you physical access to this machine? |
| 03:32.36 | Matt- | chrisb: nope |
| 03:32.37 | nsadmin | you need to talk to the owner |
| 03:32.44 | Matt- | its ovh |
| 03:32.55 | Matt- | nsadmin: i am the owner of the box |
| 03:33.14 | Matt- | geez. |
| 03:33.19 | nsadmin | and this is debian? so you didn't set it up? |
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| 03:33.31 | Matt- | I did, 8 months ago. |
| 03:33.36 | nsadmin | because the installation insists on two things: |
| 03:33.42 | chrisb | Matt: You've locked yourself out, and left the keys inside!! |
| 03:33.44 | nsadmin | one, that you set the passwd |
| 03:33.51 | nsadmin | and two, that you create a second user |
| 03:34.29 | Matt- | hmm, second user.. |
| 03:35.12 | Matt- | ok im in :) |
| 03:35.16 | nsadmin | what I always tell people is they need to keep a journal for their machines |
| 03:35.17 | Matt- | nsadmin: thanks for the reminder |
| 03:36.25 | nsadmin | the journal would initially contain every decision made when running the installer |
| 03:36.30 | chrisb | Matt: so you are ok now? hehehe, lucky someone was home eh? |
| 03:37.15 | nsadmin | well he's halfway towards the goal... |
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| 03:38.59 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 03:39.17 | man_in_shack | "gcc-4.4 -m32" doesn't seem to be looking in /usr/lib32 |
| 03:39.23 | man_in_shack | for libraries |
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| 03:40.13 | fokner | how to know the release of the debian i am using? |
| 03:40.34 | simonrvn_ | !version |
| 03:40.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 03:41.00 | sanmarcos | will the lenny graphcial installer be usable without a mouse? |
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| 03:41.36 | kole | hi |
| 03:41.55 | flourish | hi, quick question. Debian squeeze amd64 / gnome . When right click on a document, the "Open with" list is too long in my system, i wonder howto find a solution; well as i know the related files are /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache and .local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache |
| 03:42.04 | simonrvn | inckie: WTF? don't effing /notice me with your spam |
| 03:42.10 | flourish | but i don't know how these work, any suggestion? |
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| 03:43.56 | sanmarcos | what is a good reliable file system for a server? |
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| 03:44.34 | simonrvn | flourish: uninstall some stuff? |
| 03:44.40 | chrisb | sanmarcos: file server or application server? |
| 03:45.01 | nsadmin | sanmarcos: is protected with a UPS? |
| 03:45.22 | kole | so... Ive used ubuntu for ages... got into mint... Now I'm thinking of going pure and simple debian... what will I notice thats different (I assume I'll have to have some fun getting dvds and mp3's to work) |
| 03:45.22 | sanmarcos | yes nsadmin |
| 03:45.41 | nsadmin | then maybe xfs |
| 03:45.41 | sanmarcos | chrisb: mail (imap, smtp), svn, http, ssh, mysql |
| 03:45.50 | sanmarcos | ext3 never failed me |
| 03:46.19 | nsadmin | mysql?! so you're not serious about protecting your data |
| 03:46.20 | flourish | simonrvn: i guess this is not a good idea |
| 03:46.21 | sanmarcos | what is LVM, and should I use it if I have one disk? |
| 03:47.02 | nsadmin | lvm is resizable volumes, and yes. in fact I wouldn't use it any other way except on a real, hardware, raid |
| 03:47.21 | flourish | btw, for ssd, which filesystem is suitable |
| 03:47.31 | sanmarcos | does the debian installer support setting up a software RAID 1? |
| 03:47.43 | nsadmin | probably |
| 03:48.41 | nsadmin | but again, if you're serious about your data you'll look into hardware raid if any raid at all |
| 03:49.37 | nsadmin | I heard somethign about raid 5 not benefitting database performance |
| 03:49.39 | chrisb | nsadmin: as in *real* hardware raid |
| 03:49.41 | Dominicus | sanmarcos: I know that the netinst graphical installer does not allow you to setup up software raid, at least that was my experience a few weeks ago, but I just set it up via the cli, but it did recognize the software raid, and I was able to use encryption + lvm after that via the gui. |
| 03:49.58 | nsadmin | chrisb: in a separate cage even |
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| 03:50.40 | kurtisnelson | Just testing bip on my debian server. |
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| 03:51.13 | liable | d-i supports setting up software raid |
| 03:51.20 | chrisb | nsadmin: some people think the fake raid on some PCs *is* hardwaee raid |
| 03:51.31 | kurtisnelson | The debian bip packaged really does not work out of the box either. the init.d script has to be edited to enable it. |
| 03:52.03 | sanmarcos | chrisb: software raid is nice enough for data redundancy |
| 03:52.54 | chrisb | sanmarcos: I thought it was for disk failure? |
| 03:53.14 | nsadmin | also note that postgres has always had data protection features standard... mysql doesn't have a lot of them |
| 03:53.32 | chrisb | sanmarcos: sorry, off track. |
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| 03:54.38 | sanmarcos | so for raid 1, what is the way to deal with swap? just create a partition on both drives? |
| 03:55.10 | nsadmin | if you only have one drive, you don't need software raid |
| 03:55.27 | sanmarcos | I know |
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| 04:02.01 | lojine | does anyone know how to get a domain name that is pointed to a nameserver that i created to work? |
| 04:02.24 | lojine | This is my second domain name, and i have it pointed to my nameserver, but what do i have to modify in my server to make it work? |
| 04:02.28 | nsadmin | get the name server to work |
| 04:02.36 | lojine | name server works for my first domain |
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| 04:02.49 | lojine | created a master zone file |
| 04:02.55 | nsadmin | the name server has to be on a static IP machine |
| 04:03.00 | lojine | yeah, i tis |
| 04:03.12 | nsadmin | and preferably a remote with lots of connectivity |
| 04:03.16 | sanmarcos | i am trying to mount a ntfs drive |
| 04:03.23 | lojine | i want to add multiple domains to point to the same nameserver |
| 04:03.30 | sanmarcos | I do mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows, but I get "no such device" |
| 04:03.46 | sanmarcos | fdisk -l does show the /dev/hda1 as a ntfs partition |
| 04:03.47 | nsadmin | just pointing it at hte name server is not enough, you have to configure the name server to have authority over them |
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| 04:04.02 | lojine | yeah, that's the part i need to figure out how to do |
| 04:04.21 | lojine | what exactly do you have to do to configure the nameserver to have authority over the new domain names |
| 04:04.22 | cidu | ummm, so yeah.... we rebooted our mx server (running zimbra on etch) and for some reaosn it believes there is an error on the raid array... so it mounts it read only and doesnt finish boot properly.....ive been beating my head in the hella hot server room for hours, argh.... |
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| 04:05.18 | nsadmin | write the zone files, edit the config to point at those zone files... this represents a configuration change. every time the configuration changes, you have to restart the name server so it rereads its config |
| 04:05.31 | lojine | i see, just what i thought |
| 04:05.41 | lojine | but as slave types right? |
| 04:05.45 | lojine | not master zone file |
| 04:05.48 | cidu | back to the sweatbox |
| 04:06.04 | nsadmin | why? this is not the primary name server? |
| 04:06.19 | lojine | nvm |
| 04:06.24 | lojine | yeah it is |
| 04:06.34 | lojine | alright, thanks |
| 04:06.35 | nsadmin | so it's the master |
| 04:06.43 | lojine | yeah, i'm stupid. thanks. |
| 04:07.21 | nsadmin | you need to read up... there is A LOT here... bind has an operations guide, and orielly puts out a book called DNS and BIND |
| 04:07.21 | lojine | bought a dedicated server but never figured out how to setup dns right |
| 04:07.27 | lojine | yeah |
| 04:07.28 | nsadmin | you NEED that book |
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| 04:08.00 | lojine | nsadmin == nameserver admin? |
| 04:08.04 | nsadmin | let me also suggest that for important domains, you farm out the work |
| 04:08.07 | nsadmin | no :) |
| 04:08.15 | nsadmin | NaviServ aka aolserver |
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| 04:09.07 | nsadmin | I have run a name server before |
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| 04:09.31 | lojine | yeah I used to use just cpanel |
| 04:09.55 | lojine | now that I have an unmanaged dedicated server, i have to learn how to set up the name server |
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| 04:10.19 | lojine | so far I've had one domain working for 2 months now, but right now i'm going to be adding more domains |
| 04:10.22 | nsadmin | if you want to become an expert, supporting your own domain is the way to do it... |
| 04:10.31 | lojine | yeah |
| 04:10.33 | nsadmin | but if it's important, farm out the work |
| 04:10.44 | lojine | nah, not that important |
| 04:10.56 | lojine | even though i get paid through it |
| 04:11.16 | nsadmin | hmm. that does sound important |
| 04:11.21 | lojine | hehe |
| 04:11.29 | lojine | all it needs to do now is just work |
| 04:11.51 | lojine | i'll have to farm out the first domain name |
| 04:12.00 | lojine | since i'll be keeping that the longest |
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| 04:13.00 | lojine | what's so interesting about NaviServ |
| 04:13.50 | lojine | i've never heard anyone using it |
| 04:14.06 | lojine | only apache and lighthttpd |
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| 04:15.38 | lojine | w00t it works |
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| 04:16.35 | agent0range | how can i get gnome-terminal to report xterm-color as TERM to get colors in the terminal? I know it supports color so? |
| 04:19.10 | pl4yer0ne | agent0range, what isnt showing colour? |
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| 04:19.29 | agent0range | pl4yer0ne: nothing is |
| 04:19.30 | pl4yer0ne | have you tried doing a ls --color |
| 04:19.47 | agent0range | well i tak ethat back |
| 04:20.03 | agent0range | vim donest show color and irssi dont |
| 04:20.22 | pl4yer0ne | vim is probably in compatible mode |
| 04:20.30 | triplc | (PHP in Debian) Hello. I get a message "Fatal error: Call to undefined function http_build_cookie". I believe that I miss one or some packages of PHP install (using Debian Lenny), but do not know which one. Please help me. |
| 04:20.41 | agent0range | pl4yer0ne: well if i change the term var they all work |
| 04:20.43 | pl4yer0ne | try putting "syntax on" in a file called ~/.vimrc |
| 04:20.48 | pl4yer0ne | oh ok |
| 04:21.00 | agent0range | and my page down keys work then too |
| 04:21.13 | pl4yer0ne | whats term set to now? |
| 04:21.19 | agent0range | xterm |
| 04:21.24 | zinx | agent0range: 'xterm' is the proper entry for gnome-terminal |
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| 04:22.07 | agent0range | zinx: well for some reason i have used gnome-terminal in other distors and everything works fine ... including my page keys |
| 04:22.33 | zinx | agent0range: and it works fine in Debian here :x |
| 04:22.46 | zinx | agent0range: with the 'xterm' TERM, no less |
| 04:22.53 | agent0range | why wouldnt it be xterm-color? gnome-terminal doesnt support colors? |
| 04:22.57 | pl4yer0ne | xterm is also working for P1 |
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| 04:23.05 | zinx | agent0range: that's not actually what it means :/ |
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| 04:23.31 | agent0range | zinx: well what is your suggestion because i'd like that behavior |
| 04:23.58 | zinx | agent0range: figure out why it's actually not doing what you want instead of assuming it's the TERM type? |
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| 04:24.22 | agent0range | zinx: actually in gentoo screen reports screen-256color as its TERM |
| 04:24.37 | zinx | agent0range: screen needs 'screen' or such as the screen type |
| 04:24.57 | zinx | agent0range: screen provides its own terminal emulation, which is different from xterm's |
| 04:25.27 | agent0range | zinx: you may be right that its the correct TERM but i have no proper fix then |
| 04:25.38 | zinx | agent0range: have you tried outside of screen? |
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| 04:26.44 | agent0range | zinx: yes i have. i just realized its probably screens TREM |
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| 04:27.11 | agent0range | zinx: screen is reporting vt100 |
| 04:27.16 | zinx | agent0range: that will do it |
| 04:27.22 | agent0range | zinx: yep |
| 04:27.25 | zinx | agent0range: it should be 'screen', vt100 is a very dumb TERM type |
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| 04:27.42 | zinx | agent0range: strange, is screen running on debian or some other system? |
| 04:27.47 | zinx | agent0range: it defaults to 'screen' on debian |
| 04:27.49 | agent0range | ubuntu |
| 04:28.27 | agent0range | hmm i guess i just need to figure out how to change screens TERM |
| 04:28.29 | man_in_shack | EEEEEEEWbuntu |
| 04:28.32 | agent0range | lol |
| 04:28.54 | man_in_shack | is getting closer to working 32bit build environment |
| 04:28.56 | agent0range | your the debian user |
| 04:28.59 | agent0range | :p |
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| 04:29.25 | agent0range | how close is ubuntu to debian? |
| 04:29.38 | man_in_shack | put it this way |
| 04:29.40 | man_in_shack | ubuntu is broken |
| 04:29.55 | agent0range | why so. me no gets |
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| 04:30.06 | zinx | agent0range: we can't provide ubuntu support here because debian answers almost always have no bearing on ubuntu problems :/ |
| 04:30.09 | man_in_shack | because they like to break things |
| 04:30.30 | xshadowfire | ok so I've got a working debian etch install and 2 hard drives - etch is installed on one, the other is unpartitioned. I want to sofware raid0 them - can someone point me in the right direction? >: |
| 04:30.32 | xshadowfire | no physical access, just ssh, kvm, and a recovery console |
| 04:30.44 | agent0range | i see. i thougt i was in ubuntu anyway. Didnt know they were so far from each other |
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| 04:34.24 | holycow | guys, what is the danger of using fat32 on 500gb sata drives? |
| 04:34.51 | holycow | i need to mount it as an extra partition for a vm image, am googling the question, curious what other sys admins might say from experience |
| 04:35.11 | man_in_shack | fat32 sucks in general |
| 04:35.13 | pl4yer0ne | holycow, only allows 2GB files |
| 04:35.22 | pl4yer0ne | no permissions |
| 04:35.26 | holycow | oh crap, right, i'm putting a windows page file on it |
| 04:35.33 | holycow | and thats just not going to work |
| 04:35.39 | ajavid | use ext3 or 4 |
| 04:35.50 | lizone | does anyone install debian on Acer Aspire? |
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| 04:36.19 | holycow | windows can't see ext3 partitions ... thas the problem. my guest is windows |
| 04:36.25 | ajavid | it can |
| 04:36.39 | ajavid | there is a native windows file system driver for ext2 and ext3 read/write |
| 04:36.42 | pl4yer0ne | ? the guest uses its own filesystem inside the virtual disk |
| 04:36.44 | holycow | oh |
| 04:36.55 | ajavid | ext2ifs, ext2fsd |
| 04:37.00 | ajavid | there are a few projects |
| 04:37.16 | ajavid | there are drivers for reiserfs too, probably others |
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| 04:38.39 | ajavid | look at the features though, just to see what they support |
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| 04:39.17 | holycow | k thx |
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| 04:41.38 | xshadowfire | if I had 2 hard drives running software raid0, what would they look like if I tried to access them from a recovery console? :/ |
| 04:41.50 | jarom | How do I set python paths? |
| 04:42.08 | ajavid | jarom, can't find a module? |
| 04:42.21 | ajavid | jarom, what do you mean set paths? |
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| 04:42.44 | stew | jarom: with the PYTHONPATH env var (see man python) |
| 04:42.45 | jarom | Wed Jul 29 22:13:46 2009] [error] make_obcallback: could not import mod_python.apache.\n |
| 04:42.48 | jarom | ImportError: No module named mod_python.apache |
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| 04:43.17 | stew | jarom: is libapache2-mod-python installed? |
| 04:43.19 | ajavid | oh that |
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| 04:45.15 | jarom | yes |
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| 04:48.21 | jarom | stew: It is installed |
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| 04:49.16 | maxagaz | how can i have an application on top of firefox full screen mode ? I tried devilspie, but it doesn't work in this case |
| 04:50.54 | pl4yer0ne | maxagaz, you may have to set the other app to be "allways on top" |
| 04:51.11 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, it's not enough |
| 04:51.44 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, devilspie does it, but it's not enough |
| 04:52.03 | pl4yer0ne | what do you eman not enough? |
| 04:52.06 | pl4yer0ne | *mean |
| 04:54.03 | pl4yer0ne | oh right it doesnt work |
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| 04:54.21 | pl4yer0ne | you may have to use a WM that can stack |
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| 04:57.20 | xshadowfire | is it possible to get the debian installer running with no physical access to a machine, just kvm and a recovery console |
| 04:57.32 | xshadowfire | and a working installation of etch |
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| 05:00.50 | liable | xshadowfire: there is a installer kernel image you can grab, which you just have to add to grub and then it'll run like an ordinary install when you boot it. |
| 05:01.13 | xshadowfire | which one? |
| 05:01.45 | liable | xshadowfire: look for hd-media on the download page |
| 05:02.12 | xshadowfire | liable: does that require one partition to remain unchanged? |
| 05:02.37 | liable | xshadowfire: nope, once the thing loads, you can partition however you like |
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| 05:02.43 | xshadowfire | hm I see |
| 05:02.53 | pl4yer0ne | liable, does it enable ssh or soemthing by default though? |
| 05:02.54 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, what to you mean ? |
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| 05:03.09 | xshadowfire | I was trying the netboot to no avail since I thought hd-media required one partition to remain unchanged |
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| 05:03.13 | xshadowfire | thanks |
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| 05:03.39 | liable | pl4yer0ne: dont think so |
| 05:03.54 | pl4yer0ne | maxagaz, In some window managers you have the ability to explicitly tell windows which "level" they are at. IE: firefox at the bottom and your app at the top |
| 05:04.03 | xshadowfire | pl4yer0ne: I have kvm though so it's not a problem |
| 05:04.19 | pl4yer0ne | oh ok xshadowfire missed that part |
| 05:04.44 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, i use gnome |
| 05:05.14 | pl4yer0ne | maxagaz, yeah i dont think metacity can do it. |
| 05:05.27 | pl4yer0ne | and I cant think of any off the top of my head that can. |
| 05:06.11 | xshadowfire | welp time to wait 10 minutes for this thing to reboot |
| 05:06.27 | liable | xshadowfire: did you get the initrd too? |
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| 05:07.00 | yurikoles | why configure reports: checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu ? |
| 05:07.12 | yurikoles | why not debian? |
| 05:08.03 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, you mean that i can't change the level of a window on the fly with gnome ? |
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| 05:08.18 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, i mean check and change it |
| 05:08.33 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, perhaps compiz does that |
| 05:08.57 | pl4yer0ne | yeah Im looking at the doc now but I dont think the default gnome window manager (metacity) can do it |
| 05:09.21 | teadome | just installed debian and i was wondering are there any archvies i gotta enable to install perl and such |
| 05:10.26 | pl4yer0ne | ah no wait on maxagaz |
| 05:11.17 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, there should be something with gconf-tool |
| 05:11.28 | xshadowfire | hm |
| 05:11.36 | xshadowfire | this happened wit the netboot too |
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| 05:12.01 | pl4yer0ne | yeah no joy. metacity DOES have stacking controls, just not bound by default |
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| 05:12.11 | xshadowfire | liable: I download the initrd.gz and vmlinuz from http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/hd-media/ and slapped it in grub, but nothing happens |
| 05:12.29 | pl4yer0ne | but it didnt work, so I guess FF full screen doesnt let anything else over the top |
| 05:12.40 | liable | xshadowfire: what do you see? |
| 05:12.50 | xshadowfire | liable: http://pastebin.com/m5dd52fe2 |
| 05:12.52 | xshadowfire | then it just stops |
| 05:12.56 | konr | guys, has anyone ever installed a GSM modem? I'm following this tutorial[1], but the /dev/ttyUSB* devices don't show up, and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. [1]=http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1147685 |
| 05:13.28 | jarom | apache is looking python2.4 and 2.5 is getting referenced. Set pytonpath didn't help? |
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| 05:14.10 | pl4yer0ne | konr, I have but many moons ago when things were still done using serial ports |
| 05:14.22 | liable | xshadowfire: hmm, i'm not sure whats going on with that. |
| 05:14.31 | liable | xshadowfire: it just hangs there? |
| 05:15.49 | xshadowfire | liable: any ideas? :/ |
| 05:15.55 | xshadowfire | yes |
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| 05:16.08 | xshadowfire | does it load some sort of gui? |
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| 05:16.25 | xshadowfire | because I don't think what I have is technically kvm |
| 05:16.31 | xshadowfire | just console redirection |
| 05:16.57 | maxagaz | pl4yer0ne, I use SCIM as input method, it is on the top of firefox in full screen mode |
| 05:17.04 | liable | can you switch consoles? |
| 05:17.14 | liable | xshadowfire: can you see vt4? |
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| 05:17.37 | xshadowfire | nope |
| 05:17.44 | xshadowfire | hold on let me try something |
| 05:18.21 | xshadowfire | I'll get back to you in 20 minutes once it reboots twice <_< |
| 05:18.29 | xshadowfire | I need to figure out why the hell it takes so long to boot |
| 05:18.35 | xshadowfire | 10 minutes from reboot to grub |
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| 05:18.37 | xshadowfire | :( |
| 05:18.47 | liable | i was wondering about that too |
| 05:18.56 | man_in_shack | 10 minutes to boot grub? |
| 05:19.22 | liable | my old TP suddenly started doing that for some inexplicable reason |
| 05:19.27 | xshadowfire | tp? |
| 05:19.28 | man_in_shack | xshadowfire, do you have ide harddrives/cd-roms? |
| 05:19.33 | liable | thinkpad |
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| 05:19.46 | man_in_shack | TP == IBM thinkpad or lenovo toiletpaper |
| 05:19.51 | perlmonkey2 | Can't seem to find the answer with google, but what is the typical supported life span of a release? |
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| 05:20.14 | liable | was an IBM one, but I think they were making them back then anyway |
| 05:21.16 | holycow | ajavid: looks like further research shows you are correct. ntfs-3g seems to work but you haveto be aware of a few bugs and gotchas so gotta be carefull. ext2 supports windows paging files officiall in the faq so that seems like the right way to go |
| 05:21.25 | holycow | thanks for the soundboard and ideas |
| 05:21.36 | xshadowfire | oh |
| 05:22.01 | ajavid | np |
| 05:22.50 | man_in_shack | xshadowfire, i had a problem with one system taking ages to boot grub. i fixed it by swapping the primary and secondary master drives |
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| 05:23.11 | xshadowfire | man_in_shack: except I can't do that seeing as how I don't have physical access :D |
| 05:23.17 | greenmang0 | is there any command to list broken packages? |
| 05:23.17 | xshadowfire | I think it's testing ram |
| 05:23.20 | man_in_shack | fun |
| 05:23.21 | xshadowfire | all 8GB of it |
| 05:23.22 | xshadowfire | >:| |
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| 05:23.29 | greenmang0 | !tell me about broken packages |
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| 05:23.40 | man_in_shack | greenmang0, in aptitude, you can use l ~b |
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| 05:24.55 | ajavid | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 05:26.06 | ajavid | I find his very useful |
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| 05:26.15 | teadome | just installed debian and i was wondering are there any archvies i gotta enable to install perl and such? |
| 05:26.15 | ajavid | I cant remember a lot of things |
| 05:26.27 | ajavid | teadome, perl? no |
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| 05:26.41 | liable | teadome: all available in the ordinary debian repos |
| 05:27.10 | teadome | hm |
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| 05:27.21 | greenmang0 | man_in_shack: is that a pipe... -> | ~b ?? |
| 05:27.24 | teadome | then im getting packnames wrong |
| 05:27.24 | teadome | k |
| 05:27.30 | acu01 | is anyone speaking spanish here ? |
| 05:27.32 | man_in_shack | greenmang0, you need a better font :) |
| 05:27.41 | ajavid | !es |
| 05:27.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:27.42 | Devjos | Hello All |
| 05:27.49 | man_in_shack | greenmang0, aptitude interactive mode, hit l (lowercase L) and set a limit of ~b |
| 05:27.54 | liable | teadome: perl would have already been installed anyway. the package management system needs it |
| 05:27.59 | ajavid | greenmang0, |
| 05:28.06 | ajavid | greenmang0, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 05:28.19 | greenmang0 | man_in_shack: oh...thanks :) |
| 05:28.24 | greenmang0 | ajavid: *click* |
| 05:28.27 | Devjos | install pam_passwdqc.so on debian 4 how to ? |
| 05:28.44 | Devjos | didnt get from installtion CD |
| 05:28.44 | teadome | k |
| 05:28.45 | ajavid | greenmang0, aptitude search ~b (basic example) |
| 05:29.33 | greenmang0 | ajavid: thank man |
| 05:29.53 | xshadowfire | ok |
| 05:29.55 | xshadowfire | it's judgement time |
| 05:30.06 | xshadowfire | YES |
| 05:30.08 | xshadowfire | things are happening! |
| 05:30.16 | man_in_shack | LIES |
| 05:30.20 | man_in_shack | nothing ever happens |
| 05:30.28 | liable | teadome: actually, looking at it, its only standard priority, so you might not have it installed.. |
| 05:30.29 | xshadowfire | I needed to add acpi=ht and some console stuff to the kernel |
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| 05:30.45 | teadome | ok |
| 05:30.49 | xshadowfire | oh boy it's frozen again |
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| 05:30.49 | xshadowfire | ಠ_ಠ|
| 05:31.05 | Devjos | hello boys |
| 05:31.22 | man_in_shack | YAY, compiling |
| 05:31.45 | teadome | apache isnt needed for anything right? |
| 05:31.52 | teadome | cause im installing lighttpd to take its place.. |
| 05:32.04 | man_in_shack | teadome, i have lighttpd with php and mysql |
| 05:32.11 | man_in_shack | does that answer your question? |
| 05:32.18 | teadome | k:) |
| 05:32.18 | xshadowfire | liable: http://pastebin.com/m50a82b29 |
| 05:32.20 | teadome | thanks:) |
| 05:32.21 | xshadowfire | got that far then stopped |
| 05:32.22 | xshadowfire | ಠ_ಠ|
| 05:32.54 | ajavid | Devjos, what are you talking about? |
| 05:32.54 | man_in_shack | teadome, from memory, you have to use php-cgi, and there are docs in lighttpd on how to configure it |
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| 05:33.11 | teadome | k |
| 05:33.17 | teadome | i jus went from fedora to debian |
| 05:33.22 | teadome | been awhile since iv used debian |
| 05:33.23 | teadome | ;) |
| 05:33.25 | liable | xshadowfire: has that box been behaving itself recently? |
| 05:33.29 | man_in_shack | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ಠ_ಠ<< lol |
| 05:33.29 | teadome | but i used lighttpd no fedora as well:) |
| 05:33.32 | xshadowfire | liable: I just got it <.< |
| 05:33.49 | xshadowfire | I can boot into an existing installation fine |
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| 05:34.26 | liable | xshadowfire: try the lenny installer, not the daily |
| 05:34.37 | xshadowfire | ok |
| 05:34.41 | liable | only thing i can think of other than hardware |
| 05:35.16 | ajavid | lenny++ |
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| 05:35.40 | shafi_ | I am connecting to a wireless network but I can't browse the internet pages , any idea? |
| 05:36.10 | ajavid | shafi_, can you ping the ap? |
| 05:36.30 | ajavid | shafi_, can you resolv? dig something |
| 05:36.58 | Devjos | ajavid: am using debian 4 and want to install pam_passwdqc.so |
| 05:37.20 | shafi_ | ajavid: yes I can |
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| 05:39.38 | ajavid | libpam-passwdqc |
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| 05:40.27 | ajavid | Devjos, http://www.krzywanski.net/archives/3 |
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| 05:41.25 | ajavid | shafi_, is there a proxy in your browser settings? |
| 05:42.33 | omid8bimo | http://100psequence.blogspot.com/2009/07/debian-release-cycle.html |
| 05:42.58 | ajavid | omid8bimo, earlier this month |
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| 05:43.39 | ajavid | omid8bimo, here is the original post |
| 05:43.44 | ajavid | omid8bimo, http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00009.html |
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| 05:44.23 | sanmarcos | how can I find out my IP without ifconfig? |
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| 05:44.42 | Esine | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.52 | Esine | ;) |
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| 05:45.04 | ajavid | google for 'whats my ip' |
| 05:45.08 | shafi_ | ajavid: there is no proxy in my browser settings |
| 05:45.17 | Esine | that only shows the public ip |
| 05:45.19 | sanmarcos | ajavid: yeah no busybox doesnt have ping, ifconfig |
| 05:45.22 | sanmarcos | Esine: THANKS |
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| 05:49.08 | mactimes | Hello. Would someone have information about when Bind9 will be updated to address the latest exploit? |
| 05:49.23 | rafuch0 | mierda que risa este tipo |
| 05:49.33 | Esine | It has already been fixed mactimes |
| 05:49.43 | Esine | https://www.isc.org/node/474 |
| 05:50.00 | Esine | 9.4.2-P3 or newer, 9.5.1-P3 or newer, 9.6.1-P1 or newer |
| 05:50.10 | mactimes | Esine: For etch, I don't see the update in the repositories. |
| 05:50.12 | Esine | 9.4.3-P3* sorry |
| 05:50.16 | rafuch0 | upsss wrong language |
| 05:50.18 | simonrvn | already been updated... |
| 05:50.32 | Esine | oh sorry, you meant debian package? I don't know |
| 05:50.38 | simonrvn | already been updated... |
| 05:50.40 | rafuch0 | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/take-linux-filesystem-tour |
| 05:50.59 | mactimes | Esine: Yup, I meant the Debian package. I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear before. |
| 05:51.12 | simonrvn | mactimes: already been updated... |
| 05:51.59 | mactimes | simonrvn: I've just updated the system and Bind version is still 9.3.4-P1.2 |
| 05:52.15 | simonrvn | then you're doing something wrong |
| 05:52.16 | liable | you have security in sources? |
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| 05:52.49 | mactimes | liable: I'll check, but I'm pretty sure I have. Anyways, I'll check again now. |
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| 05:53.47 | mactimes | liable: Yup. I have them. |
| 05:54.21 | liable | hmm |
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| 05:55.33 | civillian | mactimes: `apt-cache policy bind9` please |
| 05:55.47 | simonrvn | ii bind9 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P3-1 |
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| 05:56.35 | mactimes | civillian: http://pastebin.ca/1511894 |
| 05:56.37 | civillian | latest in my etch repo is '9.3.4-2etch4' |
| 05:57.12 | simonrvn | um |
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| 05:59.13 | mactimes | It seems I'll have to upgrade it manually then. |
| 05:59.15 | civillian | ok so you've got 9.3.4-2etch5, from security.debian.org |
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| 05:59.29 | civillian | I would have thought that would have the fix in it.. |
| 06:00.47 | civillian | but earlier you said you've got 9.3.4-P1.2, which sounds wrong from your pastebin |
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| 06:01.05 | mactimes | civillian: Hold on. |
| 06:01.41 | mactimes | civillian: http://pastebin.ca/1511901 |
| 06:03.40 | civillian | odd ball. |
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| 06:04.23 | mactimes | civillian: Indeed it. Anyways. I think I'll just remove the repo version and install it clean from ISC tarball. |
| 06:04.30 | civillian | when you did the upgrade, did it mention that it was going to replace it? |
| 06:04.54 | civillian | i was about to say - if it was installed by source initially then you'll need to uninstall that version if you're going to use apt in future |
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| 06:05.39 | mactimes | civillian: Well, I used to have it installed and updated using apt always. It seems that it's no longer as reliable as it once was. |
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| 06:06.27 | civillian | mactimes: sorry to hear that, perhaps your mirror is broken? I've had lots of success with apt recently. |
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| 06:06.56 | factor | how do i reset my keymaps in dpkg or apt |
| 06:07.03 | factor | to us default |
| 06:07.31 | factor | the latest upgrade in testing messed mine up. |
| 06:07.31 | mactimes | civillian: Well, I've been facing trouble while installing new Etch servers. Latest server I had to install Lenny, since Etch was getting odd messages in the log during install. |
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| 06:07.54 | jarom | anyone seen this? |
| 06:07.56 | civillian | is there any reason to stick with etch??? |
| 06:08.34 | jarom | ameError: name 'OverflowWarning' is not defined |
| 06:08.34 | jarom | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libapache2-mod-python_3.3.1-7_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 06:08.34 | dpkg | jarom: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 06:08.37 | jarom | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libapache2-mod-python_3.3.1-7_i386.deb |
| 06:08.39 | mactimes | civillian: Well, my company usually upgrades all servers at once, so that we keep same versions running to make troubleshooting easier. |
| 06:08.41 | jarom | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:08.43 | jarom | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 06:09.07 | mactimes | civillian: We were not going to upgrade the server until we had a full upgrade plan in place. |
| 06:09.10 | yurikoles | we now have gnome-human-icon-theme in testing ) |
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| 06:09.20 | civillian | mactimes: fair enough then. |
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| 06:09.38 | mactimes | civillian: It seems we're going to have to rush things a bit now. |
| 06:09.45 | civillian | jarom: try pastebin.ca mate! |
| 06:09.59 | civillian | mactimes: lol, never good |
| 06:10.06 | civillian | mactimes: but funny as! |
| 06:10.15 | mactimes | civillian: heheheh, indeed. |
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| 06:10.27 | jarom | Building dependency tree |
| 06:10.27 | jarom | Reading state information... Done |
| 06:10.27 | jarom | Reading extended state information |
| 06:10.27 | jarom | Initializing package states... Done |
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| 06:10.38 | mactimes | civillian: Anyways, thanks for your time. =) |
| 06:10.58 | mactimes | I appreciate all the support from the other members too. Thank you guys. |
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| 06:12.02 | jarom | http://pastebin.com/m5ad69cd1 |
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| 06:16.52 | Napkin | moin! |
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| 06:17.30 | liable | moin moin |
| 06:18.21 | jarom | anyone have any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m5ad69cd1 |
| 06:18.46 | shafi_ | I am connecting to a wireless network but I can't browse the internet pages , any idea? |
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| 06:19.40 | liable | shafi_: do you have an ip? |
| 06:20.07 | civillian | jarom: I'd say your real error is on line 39, but I don't know what it means. It looks like it's running a python script as a post-install script and something isn't supported / is missing. |
| 06:20.24 | liable | civillian: have you checked bts? |
| 06:20.31 | liable | erm, jarom ^^ |
| 06:20.39 | shafi_ | liable: I have the IP and I can also ping the AP |
| 06:20.39 | civillian | liable: :) |
| 06:20.47 | mactimes | Is there any command for apt or another package manager I can run in Debian similar to the autoremove, for removing orphan packages like in Ubuntu? |
| 06:21.14 | liable | shafi_: ok, good, can you ping any ip outsite the network? |
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| 06:21.36 | civillian | mactimes: I thought apt-get autoremove worked... but I don't like it |
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| 06:22.01 | mactimes | civillian: It works for Ubuntu. I don't know why, but it never worked for me in Debian. |
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| 06:22.16 | jarom | just worked for me in debian |
| 06:22.18 | civillian | mactimes: perhaps you have no orphans? not sure |
| 06:22.40 | mactimes | jarom: Running Lenny? |
| 06:22.56 | mactimes | civillian: Nope. It's not even listed in the manual pages. |
| 06:23.26 | civillian | mactimes: I've just checked a sarge box I run, and it's not there either so it must be a lenny thing |
| 06:24.08 | mactimes | civillian: I think it now comes in Lenny. I'll just check the recently installed Lenny box. Hold on. |
| 06:24.20 | jarom | mactimes: Yes |
| 06:24.37 | shafi_ | liable: no I can not ping any IP outside of the network |
| 06:24.42 | craigevil | mactimes: deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
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| 06:25.04 | jarom | shafi: your routing correct? |
| 06:25.19 | liable | shafi_: hmm, did you set ip/route manually, or get it from dhcp? |
| 06:25.23 | mactimes | civillian: Confirmed. Lenny apt-get now allows autoremove. Etch didn't though. |
| 06:25.32 | mactimes | craigevil: Thanks. |
| 06:25.32 | qiyong | how to test the shell is interactive or not? |
| 06:25.40 | civillian | mactimes: check out the suggestion from craigevil |
| 06:25.54 | mactimes | civillian: Sure I'll do! Thanks! |
| 06:25.58 | shafi_ | liable: I have tried both, first I got it from dhcp but the was not working |
| 06:26.11 | civillian | mactimes: it's not installed by default on my sarge box but it's in the repo |
| 06:26.22 | shafi_ | and now I have the IP manually , but still not working : liable |
| 06:26.35 | liable | shafi_: sounds like either your default gw route is wrong, or the AP is playing up |
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| 06:27.33 | shafi_ | liable: but there are some windows and ubuntu pcs near me, and its working correctly |
| 06:28.05 | liable | shafi_: is it one of those public ones where you have to enter a pw into a web browser? |
| 06:28.36 | shafi_ | liable: what you mean by pw? |
| 06:28.46 | liable | shafi_: username and password |
| 06:28.55 | shafi_ | liable: no its not |
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| 06:29.29 | superlinux | how can i make Linux run dedicated for one and only one process, and is optimized for that process only? |
| 06:29.30 | liable | shafi_: can you ping the other boxes inside the network? |
| 06:29.30 | sanmarcos | I have one HD, but I might want to add extra HD's to do RAID in the future, should I "set up" LVM in my installer? |
| 06:29.53 | shafi_ | liable: you mean the other pcs? |
| 06:29.58 | liable | yeah |
| 06:30.02 | man_in_shack | superlinux, not possible |
| 06:30.19 | shafi_ | liable: yeah, I can access all the share folders inside the network |
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| 06:30.41 | man_in_shack | superlinux, there are multiple processes internal to the kernel. it is not possible to make linux single-tasked |
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| 06:31.06 | liable | shafi_: shafi_ when you tried to ping outside the network, did you do it domain name or ip? |
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| 06:31.21 | shafi_ | liable: domain name |
| 06:31.21 | man_in_shack | superlinux, however you may be able to do what you want by clever manipulation of /etc/init.d, /etc/rcS.d, and /etc/rc#.d (where # is a number) |
| 06:31.41 | liable | shafi_: try 74.125.67.100 |
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| 06:32.14 | shafi_ | liable: its pinging |
| 06:32.25 | sanmarcos | what are the advantages of using separate /home, /us, /var/, /tmp parttions on a server? |
| 06:32.38 | liable | shafi_: cool, then you just need some working dns servers in your resolv.conf |
| 06:33.17 | superlinux | man_in_shack, the aim is to speed the process |
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| 06:33.45 | man_in_shack | you could get a faster CPU then |
| 06:34.01 | liable | MORE POWAR! RAWWR! |
| 06:34.06 | superlinux | man_in_shack, imagine i have squid and want Linux to run only squid |
| 06:34.17 | Esine | sanmarcos: well, if you mount /tmp separately you can add things like nodev,nosuid,noexec flags which increase security. Also by having /home in its own partition (assuming local in this case), it is easier to move to a new install |
| 06:34.32 | man_in_shack | superlinux, when i try to imagine using linux to run only a SINGLE server, it makes my brain hurt |
| 06:34.42 | liable | noexec in /tmp breakes dpkg |
| 06:34.58 | Esine | really? nodev,nosuid then |
| 06:34.58 | man_in_shack | *clever* manipulation of init.d and rcS.d would give your "single" process more cpu time |
| 06:35.13 | superlinux | ok |
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| 06:35.53 | sanmarcos | how much swap should I use for 768 mb of ram in a server? |
| 06:36.03 | factor | had to use setupcon -k to reinstall my keybindings debian testing messed them up on this upgrade |
| 06:36.09 | factor | its all good now |
| 06:36.13 | liable | sends sanmarcos off to read the IM |
| 06:36.23 | man_in_shack | sanmarcos, depends on how much memory-intensive you're expecting to run on the server |
| 06:36.44 | shafi_ | liable: I have the nameservers in resolv.conf, what else do I need? |
| 06:37.07 | civillian | sanmarcos: between 1.5 and 2.5 times the amount of main memory is usually fine |
| 06:37.17 | liable | shafi_: try different ones, dunno why, but it appears its not resolving for you |
| 06:37.28 | positron` | sanmarcos: they recommend the double and a bit more, maybe 2GB is good in your case. |
| 06:37.47 | liable | shafi_: if you put that ip in a browser, did it work? |
| 06:37.56 | shafi_ | liable: yes its working |
| 06:38.06 | shafi_ | liable: do I need to change the nameserver ip? |
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| 06:38.14 | liable | yes, to a working one |
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| 06:41.26 | positron` | How can I suggest a keymap to be included in future releases? I was hoping someone to make the numpad also work for Assembly. |
| 06:41.40 | shafi_ | liable: these are the content of the resolv.conf: nameserver 82.205.224.9 nameserver 82.205.224.25 |
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| 06:41.58 | liable | shafi_: can you ping them? |
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| 06:42.54 | shafi_ | liable:yes I can ping both |
| 06:42.59 | uplinx | hiya, what is the device called that is basically a page to you use an electronic pen on? |
| 06:43.11 | positron` | Is there a place where people suggest things and others vote? |
| 06:43.25 | liable | shafi_: odd, dunno why they hate you, but just change the addresses to some other isp nameserver |
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| 06:43.59 | Ficthe | uplinx, tablet |
| 06:44.17 | uplinx | ah yeah, thanks fichte |
| 06:44.23 | shafi_ | I changed them to 224.8 and 224.24 but still the same problem |
| 06:44.27 | shafi_ | liable: above |
| 06:44.59 | positron` | shafi_: you could try opendns. |
| 06:45.03 | liable | shafi_: uh, you can't just randomly change numbers! :P you have to put real other nameserver ips in there |
| 06:45.45 | shafi_ | liable: but I can ping the 224.8 and 224.24 |
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| 06:46.02 | liable | that doesnt mean there is a nameserver running on it |
| 06:46.23 | shafi_ | liable: how can I find real ips? |
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| 06:46.39 | liable | shafi_: just google a local isp nameserver |
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| 06:47.40 | positron` | shafi_: these ones work: 208.67.222.222 |
| 06:47.41 | positron` | 208.67.220.220 |
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| 06:48.07 | positron` | They're from OpenDNS. |
| 06:48.16 | dirkson | Hey all. I can ping and dig, but can't use wget or traceroute- I get a dns error. Wtf, mate? ^^ |
| 06:49.12 | dirkson | Or install things using apt. |
| 06:49.44 | dirkson | Changing my /etc/resolv.conf entry manually fixes the issue, but that's not a solution- I want to use dhcp to configure my wifi. |
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| 06:50.16 | liable | what is the original entry? |
| 06:50.31 | liable | its odd it resolves for some programs |
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| 06:51.10 | dirkson | The IP of my router. It's got some sort of dns forwarder thing. (My #%ing isp keeps changing their nameservers.) |
| 06:51.43 | shafi_ | liable: positron: I changed them to 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 , but still the same problem |
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| 06:52.45 | sanmarcos | where can I see what the default software selections will install? |
| 06:52.47 | liable | ok, this is strange enough now for me to suggest you both check bts for resolvconf |
| 06:52.52 | sanmarcos | i.e desktop environment, web server etc, etc |
| 06:53.12 | sanmarcos | oh resolvconf screw it it sucks |
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| 06:55.51 | dirkson | sanmarcos: And what should I use instead? |
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| 06:57.23 | szabolor | hi all |
| 06:57.32 | dirkson | I honestly want this to Just Work. We've been resolving dns for 20+ years, this should /really/ Just Work by now. |
| 06:58.17 | dirkson | The insane thing is that this WORKS on my other laptop. Wish I knew what was different |
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| 06:59.51 | dirkson | Well, besides versioning. Oh, how I hope this isn't a bug. |
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| 07:00.14 | NicoOOoOo | 'lut |
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| 07:01.10 | enouf | fxiny !! |
| 07:01.26 | liable | eh |
| 07:02.03 | liable | put the bottle down! |
| 07:02.42 | enouf | liable: you mean my newly found Dual CPU XEON? (2x 1.7GHz!) |
| 07:03.28 | liable | enouf: no, i mean the scotch bottle :P have fun with your new boxen though :) |
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| 07:05.04 | dirkson | Fuck, it is a bug isn't it? Squeeze has managed to break dns resolution using whatever fucked up system my router uses. This really, really, really sucks |
| 07:05.25 | sanmarcos | dirkson: welcome to linux |
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| 07:06.12 | dirkson | sanmarcos: Yes. Off the point, but yes, this crap happens. |
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| 07:07.32 | dirkson | Ok, I guess I need to come up with a workaround until someone figured out what they fucked up. |
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| 07:07.59 | liable | !dbugs 519774 |
| 07:08.03 | dpkg | DONE:#519774:G[libc6] libc6: causes many programs not to be able to resolve dns addresses (); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:03:03 UTC [516218] |
| 07:08.26 | liable | hmm, bit old now |
| 07:08.31 | valdyn | dirkson: i see no clear description of your error messages |
| 07:08.55 | dirkson | valdyn: (11:48:16 PM) dirkson: Hey all. I can ping and dig, but can't use wget or traceroute- I get a dns error. Wtf, mate? ^^ |
| 07:08.57 | shafi_ | liable: I have found another name server for my local isp and I have reboot my system but I still have the problem, its really anoying |
| 07:09.11 | valdyn | dirkson: thats not enough |
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| 07:09.17 | sanmarcos | i didnt choose to add mirrors on installtion, how do I add them to my sources.list now? |
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| 07:09.33 | dirkson | valdyn: Then what do you need? I am not yet able to read minds. |
| 07:09.53 | valdyn | dirkson: you make it seem like resolvconf generates a resolv.conf that is read properly when using wget, but not when using traceroute |
| 07:09.54 | dirkson | valdyn: Despite many attempts at learning. I just don't have the knack. |
| 07:10.07 | liable | shafi_: i'm not sure what to do about it atm. |
| 07:10.11 | enouf_ | wtf is going on .. this borken keyboard needs to be taken out back and shot |
| 07:10.21 | dirkson | valdyn: Both wget and traceroute fail. Ping and dig, though, work. |
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| 07:10.40 | valdyn | dirkson: and changing resolv.conf fixes that? |
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| 07:11.17 | dirkson | valdyn: If I manually specify a nameserver that isn't my house router, yes. |
| 07:11.48 | enouf_ | no something worse is amiss |
| 07:11.53 | valdyn | dirkson: so show us both, a broken and a working resolv.conf |
| 07:12.11 | liable | shafi_: are you running squeeze? |
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| 07:12.24 | valdyn | dirkson: which debian release is it? |
| 07:12.25 | dirkson | valdyn: Broken: nameserver 192.168.1.5 |
| 07:12.26 | dirkson | Working: nameserver 4.2.2.1 |
| 07:12.33 | dirkson | valdyn: Squeeze. |
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| 07:13.56 | liable | dirkson: shafi_ if you could run ethereal on it, it may shed some light as to whats actually happening |
| 07:14.30 | liable | erm, wireshark i meant |
| 07:14.34 | sanmarcos | what is the default sources.list for lenny? |
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| 07:14.56 | cahoot | sancas: try /msg dpkg sources |
| 07:14.58 | jarom | anyone have any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m290ea91c |
| 07:15.02 | liable | shafi_: seriously, you cant google that? /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 07:15.14 | cahoot | sanmarcos: ^^^ |
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| 07:15.25 | liable | oh, thanks cahoot :) |
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| 07:16.12 | valdyn | dirkson: disabling ipv6 might fix this |
| 07:16.16 | valdyn | dirkson: or work around |
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| 07:16.35 | dirkson | valdyn: That easy? Hooray! How do I do that? |
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| 07:16.42 | valdyn | dirkson: did you read the bug report? |
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| 07:17.05 | omid8bimo | ajavid: sorry to answer late.. yeah i know |
| 07:17.13 | dirkson | valdyn: No, I didn't notice one addressed to me |
| 07:17.15 | sanmarcos | what is the difference between using lenny and stable in sources.list? when new stable comes out it changes automatically? |
| 07:17.18 | valdyn | dirkson: your ipv6 enabled programs should be broken, your non-ipv6 enabled programs should work ok |
| 07:17.29 | valdyn | dirkson: ping is defenitely not ipv6 enabled |
| 07:17.44 | cydork | sanmarcos: yes. |
| 07:17.46 | valdyn | !ipv6 |
| 07:17.46 | dpkg | methinks ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, available in Debian since <potato>, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/, or to get rid of it, ask me about <noipv6>, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 07:17.53 | valdyn | !noipv6 |
| 07:17.54 | dpkg | from memory, noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 07:18.17 | liable | shouldnt it be local.conf now? |
| 07:18.30 | valdyn | dirkson: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519774 |
| 07:18.38 | valdyn | dirkson: not sure disabling ipv6 would fix it, but try |
| 07:18.55 | valdyn | dirkson: and your router is broken |
| 07:19.13 | dirkson | valdyn: Yeah, that thing sucks ass. |
| 07:19.17 | liable | a lot of em are |
| 07:19.29 | jarom | [Thu Jul 30 00:45:05 2009] [error] [client 10.135.15.121] python_handler: Can't get/create interpreter., referer: http://portal.support.dechocorp.com/ |
| 07:19.32 | jarom | [Thu Jul 30 00:45:52 2009] [error] make_obcallback: could not import mod_python.apache.\n |
| 07:19.35 | jarom | ImportError: No module named mod_python.apache |
| 07:19.38 | jarom | [Thu Jul 30 00:45:52 2009] [error] make_obcallback: Python path being used "['/usr/lib/python2.5', '/usr/lib/python2.5/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages']". |
| 07:19.41 | liable | the ipv6 thing normally just makes resolving slower |
| 07:19.42 | jarom | [Thu Jul 30 00:45:52 2009] [error] get_interpreter: no interpreter callback found. |
| 07:19.54 | liable | jarom: dont paste in here |
| 07:20.33 | liable | jarom: file a bug |
| 07:20.34 | cydork | jarom: look at ImportError |
| 07:20.42 | liable | check if its already filed first |
| 07:20.49 | maxagaz | i just need firefox in full screen mode on a touchscreen and scim, an input method, what window manager should i use ? |
| 07:21.01 | jarom | apologize..did not mean to paste to the channel |
| 07:21.25 | dirkson | valdyn: Disabling ipv6 appeared to have zero effect |
| 07:21.38 | liable | did you unload the module? |
| 07:21.58 | dirkson | liable: No. I followed the instructions given to me |
| 07:22.04 | valdyn | dirkson: you need to reboot for ipv6 to be disabled after doing what dpkg said |
| 07:22.06 | liable | you rebooted? |
| 07:22.13 | dirkson | liable: Ye |
| 07:22.16 | liable | ok |
| 07:22.23 | dirkson | valdyn: I did reboot |
| 07:22.45 | bullgard4 | I downloaded and installed the DEB program packages seamonkey-chatzilla and seamonkey-browser. How to call the Chatzilla program? |
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| 07:24.53 | Youm | I'm using debian and I'd want a flash player |
| 07:24.56 | Youm | adobe's one |
| 07:25.04 | Youm | how I can find it on repos |
| 07:25.16 | liable | Youm: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:25.21 | Youm | ty |
| 07:25.24 | liable | in the um, non-free section |
| 07:25.44 | dirkson | liable: valdyn: Sort of at a loss as to what to try now. The ipv6 thing was sort of out of left field |
| 07:25.46 | liable | its not in lenny though iirc |
| 07:25.57 | valdyn | dirkson: use an opendns nameserver |
| 07:26.17 | valdyn | dirkson: or use any name server, just nor 192.168.1.5 |
| 07:26.27 | liable | dirkson: i'm out of ideas atm too. I suspect it to be a bug |
| 07:26.48 | Youm | "package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only avaible from another source" |
| 07:26.50 | dirkson | valdyn: Takes too long to get out of my city. My ISP is improperly configured, and it adds 30ms onto any connection I make. |
| 07:26.56 | valdyn | dirkson: its an error in your router, which should be worked around by libc6, but the workaround isnt yet in libc6 |
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| 07:27.19 | dirkson | valdyn: Therefore, while local dns severs are near instant, 4.2.2.1 and opendns take ages and ages. |
| 07:27.26 | liable | Youm: which debian are you running? |
| 07:27.30 | valdyn | dirkson: ok |
| 07:27.33 | Youm | the last one |
| 07:27.40 | liable | Youm: stable? |
| 07:27.41 | Youm | (don't remember its name) |
| 07:27.43 | Youm | yes |
| 07:27.44 | valdyn | dirkson: another idea would be to use dnsmasq |
| 07:27.52 | dirkson | valdyn: Oh? |
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| 07:28.04 | valdyn | dirkson: that means all your programs would query dnsmasq, while only dnsmasq talks to your 192.168.1.5 directly |
| 07:28.06 | liable | Youm: i think you need to add bpo or multimedia for it in stable |
| 07:28.17 | Youm | how can I do that? |
| 07:28.22 | dirkson | valdyn: The really insane thing is that my lenny laptop is set up just FINE with the same settings. |
| 07:28.24 | liable | !dmm |
| 07:28.24 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 07:28.28 | valdyn | dirkson: we dont know yet if dnsmasq will resolve names corectly though |
| 07:28.40 | dirkson | valdyn: Worth a shot |
| 07:28.42 | valdyn | dirkson: yea, lenny works, squeeze doesnt, thats in the bug report |
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| 07:30.14 | Youm | ok I did it |
| 07:30.19 | Youm | how I can refresh sources |
| 07:30.25 | liable | update |
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| 07:31.13 | Youm | hmm |
| 07:31.21 | Youm | public key is not available? |
| 07:31.31 | dirkson | valdyn: Ok, installing dnsmasq makes it work like /magic/ :D |
| 07:31.42 | liable | Youm: read the instructions on that page again, it mentions about the key |
| 07:31.45 | varlon | hi, intel IA-64 is a x86-64 architecture? it's will be working on intel xeon quad? |
| 07:32.03 | liable | shafi_: ^^ try that too |
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| 07:32.18 | positron` | Youm: first question in the FAQ iirc. |
| 07:32.54 | liable | varlon: no, you want amd64 for a xeon, ia64 is for itanium |
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| 07:35.14 | varlon | liable, thanks |
| 07:35.23 | liable | yw |
| 07:36.08 | bullgard4 | I downloaded and installed the DEB program packages seamonkey-chatzilla and seamonkey-browser. How to call the Chatzilla program? |
| 07:36.22 | liable | bullgard4: is it not in your menu? |
| 07:36.53 | bullgard4 | liable: I have several menus. Which one do you mean? |
| 07:36.55 | Youm | wow |
| 07:36.58 | Youm | it didn't work |
| 07:37.06 | Youm | flashplugin-nonfree is still not there |
| 07:37.19 | liable | bullgard4: all of them |
| 07:37.27 | liable | Youm: really? |
| 07:37.32 | Youm | really |
| 07:37.36 | bullgard4 | liable: :-) |
| 07:37.53 | Youm | I don't have "nonfree" repos activated |
| 07:37.59 | positron` | Youm: flashplayer-mozilla |
| 07:38.13 | Youm | it will only work with mozilla? |
| 07:38.25 | positron` | No, it works with others. |
| 07:38.33 | Youm | will it work "alone" |
| 07:38.36 | Youm | with no browser |
| 07:38.48 | positron` | I don't think so. |
| 07:38.53 | Youm | eeeww |
| 07:38.55 | liable | huh? what do you mean? |
| 07:39.00 | dirkson | valdyn: Thanks for all your help! ^^ |
| 07:39.02 | liable | I thought dmm hosted it |
| 07:39.13 | Youm | I want to run a swf file without X |
| 07:39.17 | Youm | either webbrowser |
| 07:40.27 | Youm | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/838085/how-to-run-swf-without-a-browser-on-a-linux-server/838092 |
| 07:40.51 | Youm | but I don't like gnash that much |
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| 07:43.42 | sanmarcos | does aptitude have a --names-only search? i.e I want to search for gnu screen |
| 07:43.58 | sanmarcos | oh it supports regex, nice |
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| 07:45.15 | shafi_ | liable: now I am confused , I have changed the name server but I still have the problem, what else can be wrong? |
| 07:45.50 | liable | shafi_: no idea, try dnsmasq as it appeared to help dirkson |
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| 07:47.01 | liable | spamtastic |
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| 07:48.20 | nestea | http://www.tycel.info <-- having trouble getting it to read php |
| 07:48.25 | nestea | keeps giving me 404 error |
| 07:48.28 | nestea | =\ |
| 07:48.50 | nestea | err |
| 07:48.51 | nestea | 403* |
| 07:49.07 | liable | thats forbidden innit? |
| 07:49.12 | nestea | yes |
| 07:49.13 | liable | !403 |
| 07:49.13 | dpkg | from memory, 403 is forbidden |
| 07:49.29 | nestea | its not forbidden when its a .html |
| 07:49.39 | nestea | but .php everything goes forbidden |
| 07:49.39 | nestea | =\ |
| 07:50.36 | Youm | how can I force a port to close |
| 07:50.42 | liable | paste your conf |
| 07:50.52 | liable | Youm: dont have a service on it |
| 07:51.07 | sanmarcos | how do I send a process to the background when I am already running it? cltr z stops it, ctrl-c quits |
| 07:51.26 | joeytwiddle | after ctrl+z, type bg |
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| 07:51.42 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 07:52.07 | nestea | any ideas? i'v been reading gudies for a bit now trying to get this to work |
| 07:52.19 | nestea | but all i'v done is waste time=\ |
| 07:52.34 | shafi_ | liable: dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use |
| 07:53.25 | joeytwiddle | nestea: you need to tell your webserver that php scripts should be executed |
| 07:53.52 | sanmarcos | is there a way to see which files a package will provide through aptitude? |
| 07:54.10 | joeytwiddle | i don't know the config for that, but you could maybe install a php app and steal the way it configs itself ^^ |
| 07:54.16 | liable | shafi_: hmm, does netstat show anything on port 53? |
| 07:54.19 | deadcat | how do i get /dev/ttyUSB0? |
| 07:54.32 | deadcat | i modprobe'ed the module ftdi_sio |
| 07:54.35 | liable | deadcat: have hardware that makes it :P |
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| 07:54.58 | nestea | http://www.pastebin.com/m33f85760 |
| 07:55.02 | nestea | thats my lighttpd.conf |
| 07:55.08 | deadcat | liable: oh. the hardware has to be present in order for udev to make it? |
| 07:55.15 | nestea | i believe it should support php. |
| 07:55.18 | nestea | but its not |
| 07:55.54 | nestea | if im wrong im srry but im confused where it would not=\ |
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| 07:56.11 | liable | deadcat: yes, if you have static dev its always there, but useless if there isnt something attached to it |
| 07:56.12 | deadcat | nestea: i have no problem displaying php via lighttpd |
| 07:56.40 | deadcat | liable: ok.. i think my device was unplugged when i modprobe the module. will try tomorrow. |
| 07:56.43 | nestea | deadcat: any chacne you can post your conf so that i can see a difference |
| 07:56.45 | nestea | ? |
| 07:56.57 | deadcat | nestea: k |
| 07:57.03 | liable | deadcat: you shouldnt need to manually modprobe the module either, udev should do it |
| 07:57.19 | deadcat | liable: oh. |
| 07:57.21 | NicoOOoOo | a un mechant doute, sur un poweredge 2400 je peux mettre les disques a chaud |
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| 07:58.20 | shafi_ | liable: do I need to netstat 53? ( sorry I am new to linux ) |
| 07:58.34 | liable | shafi_: netstat -plunt |
| 07:58.40 | deadcat | nestea: you have this? index-file.names = ( "index.php", "index.html", |
| 07:58.49 | liable | or -pantu probably |
| 07:58.54 | deadcat | nestea: static-file.exclude-extensions = ( ".php", ".pl", ".fcgi" ) |
| 07:59.12 | nestea | yeah |
| 07:59.14 | nestea | i got those |
| 07:59.34 | deadcat | nestea: thats pretty much it.. your pastebin doesnt work |
| 07:59.47 | shafi_ | liable: yeah it shows |
| 07:59.51 | nestea | mines more like = ( "index.php", "index.html", index.htm", "default.htm", index.lighttpd.html" ) |
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| 07:59.55 | nestea | but yeah |
| 07:59.57 | nestea | i got those |
| 08:00.10 | Youm | but |
| 08:00.30 | Youm | a program that was using a certain port forced to close |
| 08:00.32 | Youm | and now.. |
| 08:00.43 | Youm | the port still didn't close |
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| 08:01.01 | gum2tux_ | how do i know the current speed (100Mbps or 1000Mbps) of my NIC (eth0) ? |
| 08:01.09 | Devjos | ajavid: Thank you |
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| 08:01.23 | shafi_ | liable: it shows myIP:53 , localhost:53 |
| 08:01.27 | nestea | =\ |
| 08:01.40 | liable | shafi_: what program is attached to it? |
| 08:02.44 | shafi_ | liable: its tcp 0 |
| 08:03.33 | liable | shafi_: seeing as I am feeling lazy, just reboot and see if it fixes itself :) |
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| 08:03.42 | Youm | I've now no process attached to the port |
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| 08:03.52 | Youm | and it's stil.. OPENED |
| 08:03.53 | Youm | :'( |
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| 08:04.04 | shafi_ | liable: I have did this, ok thanks for the help |
| 08:04.14 | enouf_ | i think .cn is trying to slam me .. uff |
| 08:04.16 | enouf_ | ~$ whois 61.191.191.73 | xargs |
| 08:04.17 | enouf_ | % [whois.apnic.net node-2] % Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html inetnum: 61.191.0.0 - 61.191.255.255 netname: CHINANET-AH descr: CHINANET Anhui province network descr: China Telecom descr: A12,Xin-Jie-Kou-Wa |
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| 08:04.25 | hphubert | hi |
| 08:04.36 | doubleclick | morning |
| 08:05.10 | hphubert | i'm in poland and i pay 65PLN per month, i ve got 2048/750, how do we pay? |
| 08:05.36 | liable | what do you mean? why are you asking that here? |
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| 08:07.15 | liable | i lolled |
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| 08:16.33 | caraconan | Hi. $LIBPNG is empty (line 8017 more or less of http://pastebin.com/m31603235), but i have the debian package libpng12-0 and libpng3 installed. Any help to link this packages? Thanks |
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| 08:18.04 | enouf_ | why on earth do i have 2 separate connections for freenode and 2 for oftc? ..using irssi -- netstat -tuap shows both pairs are using same PID, yet 4 separate IPs, and the only diffs are the port numbers (1 each of 6667 and 1 each of 8001 for both freenode and oftc) |
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| 08:19.08 | enouf_ | uff ,, i again have a tail |
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| 08:22.07 | enouf | ok, no biggy - i just had a stale instance also running |
| 08:22.13 | enouf | killed it, all better |
| 08:23.00 | Youm | how can I run swf file without browser or even X |
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| 08:27.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | does apt-file search source packages or only binary ? |
| 08:28.09 | enouf | i think binary |
| 08:28.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | bugger. |
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| 08:28.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder what to use instead. |
| 08:28.33 | enouf | it's db is in ~/.cache/apt-file or something |
| 08:29.39 | sanmarcos | my computer will not shutdown with poweroff/halt etc, any ideas? |
| 08:30.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | enouf: thanks for the info |
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| 08:30.47 | szabolor | anybody know why run the AssaultCube_v1.0.2 low fps on my fast machine (2.6 GHz) with a good vga card(Gainwald - GeForce 9600GT)? |
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| 08:32.49 | enouf | np |
| 08:34.01 | NicoOOoOo | est en tran de se demander si yaura pas un ordre pour les dd dans la baie du poweredge, il fait un peu nimport quoi, genre sur 6 disque que 4 ou 5 (ca dpt d fois) de détecter |
| 08:34.40 | liable | NicoOOoOo: english here |
| 08:34.46 | liable | !fr |
| 08:34.46 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:34.57 | liable | or is that portugese? |
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| 08:35.24 | szabolor | ? |
| 08:36.40 | sanmarcos | which package provides 'service' command? |
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| 08:46.07 | cydork | sanmarcos: check /msg dpkg service |
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| 08:47.15 | HotShowers | hey |
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| 08:47.22 | HotShowers | can someone help me, i am on a network with 2 DHCP servers, and when i run 'dhclient', it's connection to the wrong one - is there a way to click one of them or select which dhcp server? |
| 08:47.28 | sanmarcos | how can I troubleshoot my machine not auto powering down on shutdown -h now? |
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| 08:48.07 | jmd | HotShowers, No. Running 2 DHCP servers is asking for trouble. |
| 08:48.09 | cydork | sanmarcos: check /msg dpkg poweroff |
| 08:48.21 | sanmarcos | cydork: !tell sanmarcos about ... |
| 08:48.28 | HotShowers | jmd: i know it is but im running my own and i can't disconnect the firewalls |
| 08:48.39 | cydork | sanmarcos: you can do that your self! :) |
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| 08:49.04 | doubleclick | sanmarcos: is there some output or does it just ignore the command? |
| 08:49.26 | sanmarcos | ignores it |
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| 08:49.38 | sanmarcos | will try rebooting with acpi=off apm=power_off |
| 08:50.01 | sanmarcos | nothing |
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| 08:50.36 | jmd | HotShowers, Not sure I understand what firewalls have to do with anything. |
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| 08:51.10 | doubleclick | sanmarcos: what about 'init 0' ? |
| 08:51.15 | liable | HotShowers: two dhcp servers on one network is silly. fix it |
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| 08:52.04 | HotShowers | i want to route my internet through another machine on the network |
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| 08:52.09 | HotShowers | without going through the main router |
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| 08:52.38 | jmd | You don't need a DHCP server to do that. |
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| 08:53.11 | HotShowers | but am putting them in different subnets |
| 08:53.37 | HotShowers | 192.168.1.x for the main router dhcp, and 192.168.0.x for my personal network |
| 08:53.47 | HotShowers | subnet will be 255.255.255.0 so they shouldn't clash |
| 08:54.00 | jmd | HotShowers, Subnets have no meaning to DHCP |
| 08:54.24 | jmd | DHCP operates even below the IP level. |
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| 08:54.49 | jmd | If they're on the same collision domain, then they'll clash. |
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| 08:56.49 | sanmarcos | yay i think I've fixed it! |
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| 08:58.36 | sanmarcos | my kernel is parsing an elf |
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| 08:59.10 | jmd | That sounds painfull. |
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| 08:59.42 | liable | only if he has those pointy shoes |
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| 08:59.52 | maxagaz | what window manager can handle the level of windows ? I need to set special priority for some windows, in order to have for example gcalctool in front of firefox |
| 08:59.54 | suji | how to set pbuilder environment? |
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| 09:00.54 | liable | suji: just install pbuilder, then read its man page. |
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| 09:01.53 | liable | fuck i hate it when people /quit while i'm typing out something for them. |
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| 09:02.28 | suji | how to set pbuilder environment? |
| 09:02.50 | nsadmin | liable and you can't even tell them |
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| 09:03.15 | nsadmin | suji: in bash, variable=value |
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| 09:03.19 | sanmarcos | how can I add an extra line of options so that all grub kernels will have it? |
| 09:03.20 | liable | nsadmin: i get even more annoyed when they join again after i have deleted what i was writing |
| 09:03.41 | tdn | How do I install a PDF printer so that I can print all kinds of documents to a PDF file? |
| 09:03.45 | tdn | I have installed the package cups-pdf, and this seems to provide a PDF printer. Although nothing happens, when I print to this PDF printer. Where do the PDF file go? |
| 09:03.48 | suji | nsadmin: What? |
| 09:03.51 | nsadmin | liable: and the worst thing is it's usually not their fault :) |
| 09:04.01 | liable | sanmarcos: see KOPT or the other one in the magic part of menu.list |
| 09:04.18 | sanmarcos | but I dont see it in my menu when I go to edit it liable (in the grub boot) |
| 09:04.20 | sanmarcos | it didnt append it |
| 09:04.28 | liable | nsadmin: i know, but that doesnt help my irrational behaviour ;) |
| 09:04.35 | nsadmin | suji: man pbuilder to see what env vars it responds to |
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| 09:05.05 | liable | sanmarcos: not in the actual menu, in /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 09:05.18 | liable | s/.list/.lst/ |
| 09:05.34 | sanmarcos | no right, when I add something to kopt in menu.lst, then when I go to boot, I type e to see the options my kernel will be booting under, and I dont see my kopts appended there |
| 09:05.54 | liable | sanmarcos: you have to run update-grub for it to take effect |
| 09:05.58 | suji | nsadmin: i give this command sudo pbuilder create |
| 09:06.03 | suji | i got the following error |
| 09:06.23 | suji | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:06.23 | suji | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.23 | suji | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
| 09:06.23 | suji | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.23 | suji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:06.41 | Ficthe | someone was just here asking about getting Flash in lenny. I added this line in sources.list for backports: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free -- now synaptic tells me: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C. What do I do about this? |
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| 09:07.04 | sanmarcos | Ficthe: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 09:07.15 | sanmarcos | then update, and see the faq on backports.org, its got you covered |
| 09:07.26 | Ficthe | okay, thanks. |
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| 09:09.06 | nsadmin | suji try apt-get install -f |
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| 09:09.25 | nsadmin | err no, that won't work |
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| 09:09.31 | nsadmin | suji try apt-get -f install |
| 09:09.41 | liable | its likely that its just a bug in sid, with broken packages |
| 09:09.44 | suji | nsadmin: i gave that command too |
| 09:09.53 | suji | after that i give pbuilder --create |
| 09:09.58 | suji | i got the same output |
| 09:10.03 | backslash7 | RAID: I used mdadm to create a raid 1 array of two 1TB disks. Then I installed another linux distribution and used "mdadm -Ac partitions /dev/md0" to "import" the raid array. But I lost all my data (nothing imoprtant) |
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| 09:10.26 | sanmarcos | shit I run update-grub |
| 09:10.32 | sanmarcos | now I got that UUID piece of shit |
| 09:10.37 | backslash7 | So is there a way to "import" an existing RAID array without losing all data |
| 09:10.40 | backslash7 | ?* |
| 09:10.41 | sanmarcos | and my kopts sill arent there |
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| 09:10.59 | liable | sanmarcos: paste your menu.lst |
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| 09:12.26 | sanmarcos | liable: made a mistake by uncommeting kopts sorry, but what is this UUID thing that has been added? |
| 09:12.36 | bullgard4 | I downloaded and installed the DEB program packages seamonkey-chatzilla and seamonkey-browser. How to call the Chatzilla program? |
| 09:12.50 | suji | nsadmin: What i do? |
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| 09:13.17 | liable | sanmarcos: the uuid thing is newish, dunno how to disable it. |
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| 09:13.40 | anonymou1 | Hello. Setup is asking me to choose a locale. What's en_US? vs en_US.ISO-8859-15 and en_US.UTF-8? |
| 09:13.45 | actionhank | How can I monitor my system's cpu temperature from command line? |
| 09:13.48 | nsadmin | suji: did it work? |
| 09:13.52 | nsadmin | no errors? |
| 09:13.59 | anonymou1 | Does it include both UTF-8 and ISO-8859-15? |
| 09:14.06 | AgentNoel | Good evening. Quick question. If I want to install a custom package, should I install it in /usr/local/ or /opt/? Thanks |
| 09:14.15 | sanmarcos | does the default kernel on lenny use an initramfs? |
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| 09:15.03 | nsadmin | most likely yes |
| 09:15.12 | suji | nsadmin: i give the apt-get -f install i got the following output http://pastebay.com/34586 |
| 09:15.42 | anonymou1 | I've always gone with /usr/local, AgentNoel. |
| 09:15.58 | alsd | hi there |
| 09:16.11 | nsadmin | suji: now try the pbuilder command again |
| 09:16.14 | AgentNoel | anonymou1: That was where I was thinking made most sense, but is there a Debian convention? |
| 09:16.28 | suji | nsadmin: okey |
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| 09:17.01 | \amethyst | AgentNoel: /opt is usually for application vendors |
| 09:17.06 | \amethyst | AgentNoel: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES |
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| 09:18.54 | AgentNoel | \amethyst: Awesome! Thanks I will need to remember about the fhs :) Many thanks. |
| 09:18.57 | alsd | im having trouble connecting my web browser (midori) to the wwwoffle daemon: seems like 'http://localhost:8080/' for midori means connecting using IPv6 while wwwoffle listens only to 127.0.0.1 which is, you guessed it, ipv4. is there a workaround? |
| 09:19.02 | suji | nsadmin: i give the command pbuilder --create and the got the output http://pastebay.com/34587 |
| 09:20.02 | ethanol | heh, someone doesn't love debian ): |
| 09:20.04 | ethanol | debiansucks.wi.us.byteirc.net |
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| 09:20.53 | alsd | is tempted by the 'disable ipv6' solution, but it's a little one-size-fits-all |
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| 09:21.19 | alsd | ethanol: OMG! is it possible? |
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| 09:21.29 | ethanol | I don't think so o: |
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| 09:21.36 | ethanol | it must be a fake |
| 09:21.50 | alsd | ethanol: it's not a real human being for sure |
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| 09:22.06 | tdn | In Firefox, if I do File > Print, I see this: Printer: PDF; Status: /usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf failed |
| 09:22.12 | tdn | How do I fix this? |
| 09:22.17 | alsd | ethanol: i guess it's an attempt from CIA to dismantle anti-capitalistish initiatives |
| 09:22.38 | alsd | ethanol: but i'm not paranoid |
| 09:22.45 | ethanol | ooh, conspiracy theory time? o: |
| 09:22.49 | ethanol | brings out the leaflets |
| 09:22.50 | sanmarcos | i am getting a warning about pcspkr module getting loaded twice on boot, how can I fix it? |
| 09:23.05 | alsd | ethanol: seems like you asked for it |
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| 09:23.52 | balazsbela | hello all |
| 09:24.01 | balazsbela | I'm having problems installing the nvidia driver in unstable |
| 09:24.11 | balazsbela | when I install nvidia-glx it conflicts with X |
| 09:25.15 | alsd | ethanol: if you're into this sort of things, try 'whois microsoft.com' (you need the whois program installed for this to work) |
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| 09:25.33 | ethanol | not really, sorry ): |
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| 09:26.41 | alsd | ethanol: oh. I might have misunderstood you, then 8-) |
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| 09:27.38 | alsd | !tell ethanol about troll |
| 09:28.04 | sanmarcos | http://sealence.x10hosting.com/wordpress/?p=67 |
| 09:28.08 | sanmarcos | apparently hasnt been fixed in lenny |
| 09:28.15 | ethanol | alsd: wait, are you accusing me of being a troll? :< |
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| 09:28.52 | alsd | ethanol: see rule #1 |
| 09:29.17 | ethanol | alsd: I idle here quite frequently. all our servers run debian. I'm a very satisfied user, thank you very much ): |
| 09:29.44 | ethanol | alsd: I merely noticed the servername when I joined another network. |
| 09:30.23 | alsd | ethanol: so do I (well, trying to convince management staff to migrate its user infrastructure to some non-redmond originating OS, to no avail yet) |
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| 09:33.17 | sanmarcos | why does inetd start at boot? |
| 09:33.27 | ethanol | why wouldn't it? |
| 09:33.32 | sanmarcos | what does it offer? |
| 09:33.36 | ethanol | internetz |
| 09:33.38 | ethanol | lots of it |
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| 09:33.51 | ethanol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inetd |
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| 09:34.09 | sanmarcos | yeah but on default debian install just swat, don't care about swat |
| 09:34.15 | sanmarcos | so i will turn it off and inetd too |
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| 09:34.32 | alsd | ethanol: to put it simply, my "customer" is self-employed and uses M$ stuff extensively. and calls me to the rescue for its often lost data worth many many $$$ because of all baware you can find there (what a surprise!). But still refuses to change its habits |
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| 09:35.07 | alsd | badware* even |
| 09:35.10 | ethanol | ethanol: well, people don't drop habits easily. so don't count on it happening. |
| 09:35.17 | tavelram_ | following the kernel baking from the install guide (ubuntu), if i do dpkg -i yada.deb, it wont remove my current kernel, right? |
| 09:35.18 | ethanol | err |
| 09:35.26 | ethanol | why did I address myself? :< |
| 09:35.32 | ethanol | alsd: see above ^ |
| 09:35.47 | alsd | ethanol: a sign of schizophrenia for sure ;) |
| 09:35.51 | ethanol | alsd: however, you could perhaps talk him into having a backup system running debian or whatever distro you prefer. |
| 09:35.53 | flower | is it possible with SSH for example, to help someone with his computer via internet? Doing some aptitude stuff and editing some txt files? |
| 09:36.09 | alsd | ethanol: iz what i'm doing right now (well, at least trying) |
| 09:36.15 | ethanol | flower: sure, if the user you login as has the required privileges. |
| 09:36.34 | ethanol | flower: and provided he has sshd installed. |
| 09:36.41 | flower | ethanol: ah yes that's important |
| 09:36.45 | bullgard4 | I downloaded and installed the DEB program packages seamonkey-chatzilla and seamonkey-browser. How to call the Chatzilla program? |
| 09:36.47 | flower | ethanol: sshd? |
| 09:37.12 | ethanol | flower: you -> client, he -> server (sshd is the server daemon?) |
| 09:37.18 | ethanol | at least I believe it is x: |
| 09:37.22 | ethanol | I could be very wrong though |
| 09:37.29 | flower | ok |
| 09:37.49 | flower | and how can you give the client root privilege? |
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| 09:39.00 | ethanol | uh |
| 09:39.02 | ethanol | su root ? |
| 09:39.08 | ethanol | once logged in |
| 09:39.14 | ethanol | or login as root from start |
| 09:39.14 | nsadmin | su - |
| 09:39.19 | kwork | flokuehn, exactly what you were thinking, one can do with ssh if not administrate computer via internet ? |
| 09:39.20 | ethanol | ssh root@hisip |
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| 09:39.39 | ethanol | flower: provided remote root login is not disabled. |
| 09:39.46 | ethanol | which it isn't by default, I believe |
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| 09:40.03 | ethanol | but you'll have to know his password |
| 09:40.07 | nsadmin | use ethanol's if your sshd allows root logins and you want to run x apps as root |
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| 09:41.34 | dcibelios | hello guys, I have a server with debian 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem and a ethernet broadcom, now it can't load, I see some problems with bmx2 module |
| 09:41.50 | dcibelios | I downgrade kernel and works again |
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| 09:42.45 | ethanol | so, problem solved? |
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| 09:43.23 | scream_ | dcibelios, most likely newer kernel needs newer firmware |
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| 09:43.46 | dcibelios | yes, now it detects,, but I need upgrade kernel |
| 09:44.15 | nsadmin | did you install the kernel from apt-get? |
| 09:44.19 | dcibelios | scream_: firmware? |
| 09:44.20 | dcibelios | yes yes |
| 09:44.27 | dcibelios | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:44.32 | dcibelios | I did dist-upgrade |
| 09:44.53 | dcibelios | a few weeks ago, then I reboot yesterday and problems with broadcom |
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| 09:45.04 | jelly | dcibelios: dist upgrade to which release? |
| 09:45.08 | scream_ | dcibelios, if i remember correctly bmx2 required firmware to work. most likely newer module version needs a newer firmware to work |
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| 09:45.28 | jelly | bnx2. bmx is for riding in the 80s. |
| 09:45.52 | dcibelios | jelly: ;) |
| 09:45.59 | dcibelios | really? |
| 09:46.14 | scream_ | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-bnx2 something like that |
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| 09:46.27 | superlinux | hi |
| 09:46.47 | superlinux | how can i follow up security news? |
| 09:47.03 | jelly | dcibelios: if you have a 2.6.30 kernel or newer, the firmware files have been messed around and you'll need eg. firmware-linux from unstable (or perhaps testing) |
| 09:47.18 | scream_ | superlinux, subscribe to debian-security mailing list |
| 09:47.23 | superlinux | ok |
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| 09:47.53 | superlinux | scream_, have you heard of debian lenny being hacked lately? |
| 09:47.57 | jelly | dcibelios: so. what's the `uname -r` of the kernel that doesn't work, and what exactly do you get in dmesg and the command line when the module fails to load? |
| 09:48.08 | superlinux | the stable debian? |
| 09:48.36 | dcibelios | jelly: I had 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem and didn't work |
| 09:48.37 | scream_ | superlinux, there was a BIND vuln recenty, but that was DoS. |
| 09:48.52 | superlinux | and ssh? |
| 09:48.58 | dcibelios | scream_: this firmware is upgraded? |
| 09:49.05 | dcibelios | it's in a new version? |
| 09:49.07 | scream_ | dcibelios, no idea. |
| 09:49.21 | scream_ | superlinux, link? |
| 09:49.29 | dcibelios | thanks guys! |
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| 09:49.40 | jelly | dcibelios: oh, that's a bug (it's supposed to be working with the firmware available in lenny/non-free that scream_ pointed you to). Still, without actual logs we can't really help |
| 09:49.51 | superlinux | scream_, the bind thing is not really accessing the files |
| 09:50.07 | superlinux | like having control over the shell |
| 09:50.21 | dcibelios | jelly: then is possible a solution? |
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| 09:50.32 | jelly | dcibelios: I HAVE NO IDEA PLEASE GIVE LOGS |
| 09:50.46 | paissad_ | i have this error during the configure of a package |
| 09:50.48 | paissad_ | Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.18' but version of GLib is 2.16.6 |
| 09:50.49 | paissad_ | Requested 'gobject-2.0 >= 2.18' but version of GObject is 2.16.6 |
| 09:50.51 | scream_ | superlinux, i know, it's only a denial of service(DoS). can you give a link on the SSH issue? |
| 09:51.02 | dcibelios | jelly: bnx2: Can't load firmware file bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw |
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| 09:51.06 | paissad_ | how can i solve that without doing a big mistake |
| 09:51.07 | paissad_ | :) |
| 09:51.24 | paissad_ | i use lenny 502 |
| 09:51.33 | superlinux | scream_, i was just asking you if there is any news too |
| 09:51.36 | scream_ | dcibelios, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/firmware-bnx2/filelist you'r set ;) |
| 09:51.40 | superlinux | scream_, i was just asking you if there is any news too about ssh |
| 09:52.30 | scream_ | superlinux, never heard about the ssh stuff, so asked for a link to read about it :) |
| 09:53.08 | jelly | dcibelios: now use packages.debian.org to find which package contains that file |
| 09:53.08 | superlinux | cos i am now challenging someone to hack my box |
| 09:53.19 | kwork | ip please |
| 09:53.37 | dcibelios | yes, and I compare my version |
| 09:53.48 | scream_ | kwork, upload horse pr0n to his box ;) |
| 09:53.59 | liable | and mine! |
| 09:53.59 | superlinux | i think i'd rather shutdown my ssh server |
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| 09:54.04 | kwork | if i can find some from my enormouse collection of zooporn |
| 09:54.04 | liable | jk.. |
| 09:54.12 | dcibelios | thanx guys |
| 09:54.40 | scream_ | dcibelios, no prob. had the same issue on an IBM xserver |
| 09:54.50 | superlinux | scream_, how to tell which services are running? |
| 09:55.12 | scream_ | superlinux, netstat -lnp |
| 09:55.14 | dcibelios | scream_: I'm gonna take a look and compare |
| 09:55.18 | dcibelios | what I have |
| 09:55.24 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:00.09 | marenzio | hello there |
| 10:00.42 | marenzio | i try to reinstall all installed packages. I tried this command: aptitude reinstall ~i \!~o but it gives me E: I wasn't able to locate file for the fslint package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 10:00.55 | marenzio | i thought the \!~o limits the selection to downloadable packages? |
| 10:01.07 | marenzio | why would it give me this error? |
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| 10:02.57 | sanmarcos | how can I shutdown if I am not logged in? |
| 10:03.17 | liable | with the button |
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| 10:05.43 | inigo | magiq sysreq does not work if not loged in ? |
| 10:05.45 | sanmarcos | is atd needed for debian maintenance like cron is? |
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| 10:06.45 | inigo | sanmarcos, try with Sysreq keys |
| 10:09.15 | sanmarcos | does anyone get "Setting console screen modes and fonts" twice on bootup? |
| 10:09.27 | Selveste1 | Hey - I have upgraded my server from etch to lenny - followed the instructions in release node and in etch->lenny on dpkg - after reboot PostgreSQL 7.4 is hanging and I can't connect to the server in anyway - is there a way to remove postgreSQL from boot time ? |
| 10:09.43 | sanmarcos | Selveste1: rcconf, sysv-rc-config |
| 10:09.44 | sanmarcos | etc |
| 10:09.49 | sanmarcos | update-init.d I think too |
| 10:10.10 | sanmarcos | update-rc.d |
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| 10:10.59 | Selveste1 | yes but how when I cant connect to my server ? |
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| 10:11.09 | sanmarcos | no idea |
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| 10:14.20 | Selveste1 | is there a way to force runlevel to something that not include postgres - eg runlevel 1 are something like that :S |
| 10:14.30 | superlinux | how to reload the linux updates into ram? |
| 10:15.02 | superlinux | how can i reload the programs with out shutting the server down? |
| 10:15.24 | \amethyst | superlinux: everything except the kernel |
| 10:15.35 | superlinux | \amethyst, yes |
| 10:15.52 | \amethyst | superlinux: what do you mean 'into ram'? |
| 10:15.53 | superlinux | and also i dont want my apps feel any cuts |
| 10:16.14 | superlinux | just forget that |
| 10:16.34 | superlinux | just i dont want to go through the restart |
| 10:16.40 | superlinux | just i dont want to go through the restart |
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| 10:17.00 | \amethyst | superlinux: then you might also avoid upgrading any services those apps are using... dbus and hal for desktop environments, etc |
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| 10:17.25 | superlinux | \amethyst, i heard that ksplice can do all that |
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| 10:17.34 | \amethyst | superlinux: Debian doesn't force you to reboot when you upgrade. Even if you upgrade a kernel and need to reboot, it won't happen automatically |
| 10:17.37 | superlinux | but there is no support for debian |
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| 10:18.02 | superlinux | \amethyst, forget about restarting the kernel. |
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| 10:18.14 | \amethyst | superlinux: ksplice is in unstable and testing, for three architectures, but it's not in lenny |
| 10:18.15 | superlinux | i just want to run the new updates |
| 10:18.17 | Daemonik | superlinux when it's "stable" it will be. It's included in the next major release. There's nothing stopping any one from hosting their own ksplice repository and shoring it with others. |
| 10:18.39 | \amethyst | superlinux: so do the updates... or are asking how to do updates? |
| 10:19.10 | Detch | good day, someone could help me with nagios-mysql 5.1 on debian lenny? |
| 10:19.22 | Detch | my problem is http://pastebin.com/m32e0b29e |
| 10:19.23 | \amethyst | superlinux: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 10:20.15 | superlinux | \amethyst, no. i want to run the updates for the security reasons. and i have been running my box like a charm for 22 days non stop. thanks God for the 22. |
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| 10:20.37 | superlinux | so I dont want to stop the count |
| 10:20.51 | nevyn | count? |
| 10:21.00 | superlinux | the uptime count |
| 10:21.16 | Daemonik | \amethyst, All one needs to do the updates is know what patches need be applied. Say from linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd4 to linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 , where can I find a changelog between the two that will point me to the appropriate security patches? |
| 10:21.58 | superlinux | Daemonik, there is an apt-somthing pkg about the change logs |
| 10:22.05 | nevyn | oh.. you care about uptime... FAIL |
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| 10:23.47 | Daemonik | superlinux not finding it, at least for apt-cache. Do you know what security patches are between 2.6.26-1 and 2.6.26-2 ? |
| 10:24.08 | superlinux | not really |
| 10:24.16 | superlinux | but i think there is |
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| 10:24.35 | superlinux | and now there is an update to go to 2.6.30 |
| 10:24.36 | \amethyst | Daemonik: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-17/changelog |
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| 10:25.11 | mewm | Is there any way to install php5.3.0 on etch? |
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| 10:25.29 | nevyn | Detch: I don't understand the problem. |
| 10:25.46 | nevyn | there's a warning about a parameter to dbconfig-common but it's not fatal. |
| 10:26.25 | \amethyst | mewm: maybe manually or building it from experimental, but there are no etch packages for it |
| 10:26.30 | Daemonik | Thank you \amethyst |
| 10:26.30 | \amethyst | mewm: it's not even in unstable yet |
| 10:26.45 | factor | anyone having problems with bash on debian testing. |
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| 10:27.13 | Daemonik | factor, What types of problems? |
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| 10:27.40 | factor | ^[[A I get that on up arrow and ] wiht the back arrow |
| 10:28.08 | Daemonik | factor, With xterm or on a vt? |
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| 10:28.26 | mewm | \amethyst but it is in lenny right? |
| 10:28.30 | factor | let see with kde with xterm and I will try vt |
| 10:28.34 | \amethyst | mewm: no |
| 10:28.38 | \amethyst | mewm: Lenny has 5.2.6 |
| 10:28.40 | Daemonik | factor, That's not a problem with bash itself, it's a problem with the terminal emulator. |
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| 10:28.47 | \amethyst | mewm: unstable for that matter has 5.2.6 |
| 10:28.58 | Daemonik | factor, more like a misconfiguration, not exactly a "problem". |
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| 10:29.19 | factor | <Daemonik> yes VT as well I have to type setcon -k to fix it sometimes |
| 10:29.35 | mewm | \amethyst so php 5.3.0 does not "exists" for any debian yet? |
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| 10:29.51 | hanibana | hi all |
| 10:29.57 | nevyn | Detch: #debian-es? might be better. |
| 10:30.04 | factor | <Daemonik>I would think I could just load defaults |
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| 10:30.14 | \amethyst | mewm: it's only in experimental, and I'm not about to recommend using a package from experimental unless you know really well what you're doing |
| 10:30.23 | factor | <Daemonik> like loadkeys -d |
| 10:30.32 | factor | but that does not work |
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| 10:32.04 | craigevil | mewm: you can get 5.3 from dotdeb.org but only for lenny not etch and their packages arent "official" .debs |
| 10:32.12 | mewm | I see |
| 10:32.25 | mewm | It's on a hosted server, you see. |
| 10:32.41 | mewm | But i guess i should rewrite some of my app then :/ |
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| 10:33.31 | hanibana | I have a Sarge server. lspci shows me that it has three Eth controller. Two of them have same model, another is different. My active Eth is eth0 (I know it from ifconfig). How do i know that eth0 is which interface? |
| 10:33.40 | factor | <Daemonik>So I am thinking the actual keymap for default English is messed up |
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| 10:35.06 | petemc | hanibana: if your machine was more up to date you could use udev, on sarge perhaps your best bet may be to unplug cables and look at dmesg |
| 10:35.21 | Daemonik | factor, It's a possibility. |
| 10:35.36 | hanibana | petemc: my god! its a remote server. |
| 10:36.07 | petemc | hanibana: no idea then, perhaps someone else knows a less intrusive way |
| 10:36.11 | factor | I will try rebooting as well brb |
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| 10:36.49 | liable | kicks hanibana into 2009 and makes him run a sstem that actually has security upgrades |
| 10:36.53 | mjt | hanibana: but what kernel it is? |
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| 10:37.52 | hanibana | mjt: 2.4.27 ! |
| 10:38.06 | mjt | oh... |
| 10:38.24 | liable | dear |
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| 10:38.35 | mjt | it was many years ago when I last used 2.4, i don't remember how to deal with it |
| 10:38.35 | hanibana | liable, mjt ... a specia server with special hardware....! |
| 10:39.10 | mjt | there was no /sys that's for sure |
| 10:39.19 | mjt | hence no udev and other modern stuff |
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| 10:39.54 | mjt | ok, dmesg should know |
| 10:40.11 | mjt | from the boot time |
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| 10:40.28 | mjt | eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95721) rev 4101 PHY(5750)] (PCI Express) 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet ... |
| 10:40.31 | mjt | like that |
| 10:40.46 | mjt | also it's possible to derive some info from mac addresses |
| 10:41.01 | mjt | each vendor has its own set of prefixes |
| 10:41.14 | hanibana | mjt: unfortunately my dmeg is full of a message. |
| 10:41.24 | mjt | /var/log/dmesg |
| 10:41.28 | mjt | or kern.log |
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| 10:41.31 | mjt | or whatever |
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| 10:41.58 | hanibana | /var/log/dmesg was the pint |
| 10:42.00 | hanibana | point. |
| 10:43.04 | Incarus | lol, debian with kde is faster then ubuntu with lxde for me |
| 10:43.15 | Detch | good day, someone could help me with nagios-mysql 5.1 on debian lenny? |
| 10:43.46 | hanibana | mjt: thanks... I got that :) . |
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| 10:47.17 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 10:47.28 | man_in_shack | i think i've worked out what's going on with libopenal-dev |
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| 10:47.45 | shiki- | hello |
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| 10:48.05 | shiki- | I've got a problem with apt-get .. for a week already now.. |
| 10:48.15 | factor | what is the command to map the left arrow key to move back |
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| 10:48.30 | man_in_shack | ok, yes, ia32-apt-get on sid/amd64 is not giving libopenal-dev a different name because the arch on it is "all" |
| 10:48.37 | shiki- | /usr/sbin/dpkg-statoverride: cannot open statoverride: No such file or directory ; E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) < this is the problem... any idea? :/ |
| 10:48.48 | shiki- | (tried to google around, but no use) |
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| 10:49.17 | cadu | hey guys, a question about userland software (not debian itself): does anyone knows a good music player for linux that isn't tied/dependant on the big boys (gnome/kde) libs? i'm thinking in something like Foobar2000 for Windows. |
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| 10:49.39 | Incarus | shiki-, paste "ls /usr/sbin/dpkg-s*" |
| 10:49.46 | shiki- | sec |
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| 10:50.07 | shiki- | /usr/sbin/dpkg-statoverride |
| 10:50.30 | mjt | isn't it in /var/lib/dpkg/ ? |
| 10:50.31 | Incarus | shiki-, nice, so its not missing. maybe permission? |
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| 10:50.48 | Incarus | mjt, "/usr/sbin/dpkg-statoverride: cannot open statoverride: No such file or directory" |
| 10:50.52 | mjt | Incarus: it's being run and produces error messages |
| 10:50.57 | mjt | yes |
| 10:51.01 | shiki- | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6088 Jul 18 16:38 /usr/sbin/dpkg-statoverride |
| 10:51.03 | Incarus | right |
| 10:51.16 | Incarus | i mean mjt, right |
| 10:51.20 | man_in_shack | mjt, Incarus, that error can be created by missing libs |
| 10:51.24 | mjt | no |
| 10:51.27 | cahoot | cadu: aqualung is one |
| 10:51.32 | mjt | it's missing /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 10:51.40 | Incarus | shiki-, try "sudo apt-get -f install" |
| 10:51.44 | cadu | cahoot: will take a look ;D thank you |
| 10:51.46 | man_in_shack | ah ok |
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| 10:51.48 | mjt | Incarus: no |
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| 10:51.52 | Incarus | k |
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| 10:52.34 | shiki- | http://pastebin.com/d525c2261 |
| 10:52.37 | mjt | shiki-: what happened with /var/lib/dpkg/* ? |
| 10:52.53 | shiki- | I tried aldy the mentioned stuff.. purged this package, then removed cache, update, apt-get -f install, etc etc |
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| 10:53.11 | shiki- | but no matter how many times I do this.. its just running in an endless circle |
| 10:53.13 | mjt | shiki-: which stuff? |
| 10:53.20 | shiki- | one you can see in the pastebin |
| 10:53.23 | mjt | shiki-: and what happened to 14:52 < shiki-> http://pastebin.com/d525c2261 |
| 10:53.29 | mjt | shiki-: and what happened to /var/lib/dpkg/? |
| 10:53.35 | shiki- | what you mean what happened? |
| 10:53.37 | shiki- | its there |
| 10:53.48 | mjt | shiki-: at least one file is missing from that dir |
| 10:53.52 | shiki- | 14 files |
| 10:53.58 | mjt | paste ls -l |
| 10:53.59 | shiki- | hmmmm |
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| 10:54.25 | mjt | shiki-: you somehow broke dpkg administrative directory where it keeps all status files |
| 10:54.33 | yang | i got a spam message |
| 10:54.37 | yang | My Name Is Victoria I am looking for a very nice man of love, caring, honest, matured, understanding, and of good character, then after going to your profile on this site (bugs.debian.org) pick interest in you, so i will like you to write me with my E-mail address..... |
| 10:54.39 | shiki- | http://pastebin.com/d3436196f ... hmm |
| 10:54.44 | mjt | shiki-: maybe you interrupted it in wrong moment.. but it shouldt be that anyway |
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| 10:54.50 | shiki- | yang: same happened with me on linux.com :) |
| 10:55.04 | yang | shiki-: i get spam messages from linux.com on weekly basis |
| 10:55.09 | shiki- | :) |
| 10:55.16 | mjt | shiki-: ok, cd to that dir, and move statoverride-old to statoverride |
| 10:55.20 | shiki- | kk |
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| 10:55.37 | mjt | shiki-: but be careful and not remove it ! |
| 10:55.45 | shiki- | new error :) |
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| 10:56.25 | shiki- | http://pastebin.com/d1390d0b |
| 10:56.45 | shiki- | oh wait |
| 10:56.54 | shiki- | should I just stop the daemon AND apt-get ? |
| 10:56.57 | mjt | stop transmission first. that looks like a bug in startup script |
| 10:57.01 | shiki- | sorry sorry |
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| 10:57.10 | shiki- | I just tried to paste the error ASAP ^^" |
| 10:57.12 | shiki- | sorry |
| 10:57.23 | mjt | wait |
| 10:57.26 | mjt | well.. ok |
| 10:57.33 | shiki- | oh ... why does transmission forget all the settings when I stop daemon? >.< |
| 10:57.33 | mjt | i mean, there's no reason to re-install it |
| 10:57.37 | mjt | but it's simpler |
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| 10:57.56 | shiki- | okay. now its ok |
| 10:58.00 | shiki- | thanks for the help |
| 10:58.18 | mjt | hopefully ok |
| 10:58.30 | mjt | i wonder how yoy managed to remove statoverride file |
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| 10:58.41 | shiki- | dontknow.. I never touch critical stuff unless I have to |
| 10:58.43 | mjt | dpkg should be very careful about that directory |
| 10:58.43 | dpkg | no idea, mjt |
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| 10:58.50 | mjt | dpkg: shut up |
| 10:58.50 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 10:58.57 | shiki- | :) |
| 10:59.39 | mjt | shiki-: run fsck - just in case |
| 10:59.44 | shiki- | I cant. :) |
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| 10:59.50 | mjt | shiki-: touch /forcefsck; reboot |
| 10:59.52 | mjt | (as root) |
| 10:59.57 | shiki- | uhm I cant reboot it |
| 11:00.04 | shiki- | its a "mission critical" server atm |
| 11:00.30 | mjt | well, it'd better work after a minor outage than crash someday losing everything |
| 11:00.37 | shiki- | :) |
| 11:00.48 | shiki- | hey its in the agreement that we dont guarantee any data.. |
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| 11:01.38 | \amethyst | shiki-: at least run smartctl on the disks and check for any reported errors |
| 11:01.58 | \amethyst | shiki-: likewise kernel errors about the filesystems in the log files |
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| 11:02.51 | shiki- | we'll perform a complete check soon |
| 11:02.54 | shiki- | thanks for the advise |
| 11:02.56 | shiki- | and for the help |
| 11:02.59 | shiki- | g2g |
| 11:03.09 | shiki- | have a nice day.. ty again :) |
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| 11:08.56 | natalie | Hi, I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions on how to go about hiring a debian sysadmin for my small hosting company? |
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| 11:10.46 | petemc | advertise the job in local papers/websites |
| 11:11.03 | cadu | natalie: try to put an AD out there, newspapers/magazines, and ask for extensive LINUX administration experience, with emphasis on Debian |
| 11:11.50 | cadu | natalie: a really good/gifted linux guy will be comfortable with any distro, afterall he already understands the guts of a linux system, and ask for debian system knowledge if you would like to work specifically with that. |
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| 11:12.15 | man_in_shack | really wants to be able to install 32bit libopenal-dev on sid |
| 11:12.17 | man_in_shack | sid/amd64 |
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| 11:12.48 | dondelelcaro | natalie: see debian.org/consultants as well |
| 11:13.11 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: the -dev package... so you're wanting to build 32-bit software? |
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| 11:13.21 | man_in_shack | \amethyst, yes |
| 11:13.36 | man_in_shack | preferably just with gcc -m32, rather than chroot which is overkill :D |
| 11:13.48 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: sid libopenal-dev is arch: all |
| 11:13.55 | \amethyst | man_in_shack: there's nothing arch-specific in it |
| 11:14.09 | man_in_shack | \amethyst, apparently there is, let me get the error message |
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| 11:16.10 | man_in_shack | ok, wait, maybe i misread it |
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| 11:17.14 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/73256/ << it can't find the .so file |
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| 11:18.47 | man_in_shack | ah, i found out why |
| 11:18.57 | man_in_shack | it's missing /usr/lib32/libopenal.so symlink |
| 11:19.03 | man_in_shack | all that messing around for that :D |
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| 11:23.17 | man_in_shack | grr, now it's segfaulting on load |
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| 11:25.27 | natalie | man_in_shack: thanks |
| 11:25.34 | natalie | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 11:25.51 | man_in_shack | oh? |
| 11:25.54 | man_in_shack | what did i do? |
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| 11:26.15 | natalie | cadu: thanks |
| 11:26.20 | natalie | petemc: thanks |
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| 11:29.47 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/73260/ << anyone got an idea for what's going on here? |
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| 11:31.20 | liable | hah, gdb segfaulting is very helpfull! :D |
| 11:31.28 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 11:31.53 | Posterdati | please is it possible to use the command ftp to send files without entering interactive mode? Tx |
| 11:31.54 | liable | man_in_shack: check libc6 bts, i was looking today, and for some reason I recall something about gdb |
| 11:32.17 | abrotman | man_in_shack: if you don't find anything .. memcheck |
| 11:32.25 | man_in_shack | it's odd |
| 11:32.27 | abrotman | Posterdati: man ftp .. it tells you how to give it a script |
| 11:32.30 | man_in_shack | only seems to happen with the -a flag |
| 11:32.30 | liable | man_in_shack: or run it with the stepping switch first |
| 11:32.42 | Posterdati | abrotman: I'm reading... :) |
| 11:34.18 | man_in_shack | ah |
| 11:34.23 | man_in_shack | hmm |
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| 11:36.10 | man_in_shack | what's the stepping switch? :) |
| 11:37.29 | liable | its been awhile, but 'step' seems appropriate :P |
| 11:38.25 | liable | theres plenty of gdb articles out there |
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| 11:41.16 | man_in_shack | i think i've traced it to libalut0 stealing the -a flag |
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| 11:50.47 | SQlvpapir | I just bought a expresscard 54 esata module.. any hints on what modules this thing needs? I've plugged it in but dmesg is silent |
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| 11:52.14 | SQlvpapir | pciehp looks interesting |
| 11:52.54 | liable | SQlvpapir: double check your bios, make sure the port is on in bios. dmesg should say something when you stick something in it. |
| 11:53.26 | SQlvpapir | liable: regardless if the appropriate module is loaded or not? |
| 11:53.34 | liable | or is it an external expresscard reader? |
| 11:53.53 | liable | SQlvpapir: yes, udev should see it and load the module |
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| 11:55.31 | man_in_shack | ok, i've tracked the problem down to 32bit alutInit() |
| 11:55.33 | man_in_shack | fun times |
| 11:55.35 | foo-nix | I wanted to install jdk6 (java) so I added: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ to sources.list by adding the line: |
| 11:55.44 | foo-nix | deb http://packages.debian.org/ lenny non-free |
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| 11:55.48 | foo-nix | but this fails to work |
| 11:56.27 | foo-nix | I have composed this line in a try all and error way, but have not found it to be successful, could someone help me? |
| 11:56.40 | man_in_shack | foo-nix, do you get an error? |
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| 11:56.44 | foo-nix | man_in_shack, no |
| 11:56.55 | foo-nix | it just doesn't find sun-java6-jdk |
| 11:56.59 | man_in_shack | wait, why packages.debian.org? |
| 11:57.39 | foo-nix | man_in_shack, because I foudn that googleing for the java 6 jdk package. |
| 11:57.54 | foo-nix | I also googled for "debian lenny add non-free repository" |
| 11:57.55 | SQlvpapir | liable: ok I'll check my bios then :) thanks for helping out |
| 11:58.23 | foo-nix | man_in_shack, I am rather confused by the way repositories work in debian. My appologies. |
| 11:58.29 | foo-nix | *apologies |
| 11:58.37 | SQlvpapir | foo-nix: ou have a double space |
| 11:58.44 | SQlvpapir | s\ou\you |
| 11:59.01 | man_in_shack | foo-nix, you could just add "non-free" to the end of your normal lenny packages line instead |
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| 11:59.58 | foo-nix | SQlvpapir, double space? where? |
| 12:00.37 | man_in_shack | after "deb" at the start of the line |
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| 12:01.18 | foo-nix | SQlvpapir, does the parser trip on that? |
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| 12:01.37 | abrotman | foo-nix: just add non-free to the end of your regular source line .. packages.debian.org is not a valid mirror |
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| 12:01.52 | foo-nix | SQlvpapir, swapping it with one space did not help |
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| 12:02.29 | foo-nix | abrotman, I figured, like so: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free |
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| 12:03.18 | foo-nix | abrotman, it works, thank you. |
| 12:03.23 | foo-nix | Thank you all. |
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| 12:15.14 | JyZyXEL | how do you read ttyS0? |
| 12:15.55 | ranix | cat /dev/ttyS0? |
| 12:16.03 | JyZyXEL | doesn't work |
| 12:16.09 | ranix | !doesn't work |
| 12:16.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 12:16.10 | the-dude | JyZyXEL: minicom |
| 12:16.16 | petemc | or screen |
| 12:16.17 | JyZyXEL | the-dude: i can't use that on my script |
| 12:16.32 | JyZyXEL | i need something that i can use in a bash script |
| 12:16.34 | ranix | ./script </dev/ttyS0 |
| 12:16.48 | the-dude | apt-cache search tty and pick one |
| 12:17.03 | ranix | although that might just keep the cat going endlessly |
| 12:17.14 | omid8bimo | my cpu is 2000Ghz, why /proc/cpuinfo shows only 800Mhz? |
| 12:17.35 | petemc | 2000Ghz, thats impressive |
| 12:17.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 12:17.41 | Esine | wow |
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| 12:17.49 | the-dude | :O |
| 12:17.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | omid8bimo: you have some crazy power saving |
| 12:17.57 | ranix | that's a quantum computer, petemc |
| 12:18.04 | Esine | omid8bimo: is this a laptop or..? |
| 12:18.16 | omid8bimo | Esine: yup, laptop |
| 12:18.16 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/43029/ |
| 12:18.17 | JyZyXEL | he must have some rich parents |
| 12:18.24 | omid8bimo | Kamping_Kaiser: what kinda power saving? |
| 12:18.26 | greenmang0 | abrotman: using Debian Stable.. X server is not running |
| 12:18.26 | Esine | omid8bimo: yeah, definitely some power saving mode |
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| 12:18.33 | Esine | it underclocks the CPU.. |
| 12:18.40 | greenmang0 | abrotman: can you please help me to solve the issue? |
| 12:18.44 | cahoot | cpufrequtils? |
| 12:18.47 | abrotman | greenmang0: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:19.07 | Esine | omid8bimo: But if you actually use your processor it might bump it back to 2Ghz if it's automatic |
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| 12:19.51 | omid8bimo | Esine: can i put it some kinda loop? will /proc/cpuinfo update automatically? |
| 12:20.05 | Esine | I'm not really sure, sorry! |
| 12:20.15 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/43030/ |
| 12:20.24 | greenmang0 | abrotman: says no screens found ... fatal error |
| 12:20.42 | omid8bimo | Esine: i've done it! |
| 12:20.50 | Esine | omid8bimo: yes? :) tell us |
| 12:21.03 | omid8bimo | Esine: i ran some animation render and cpu jumped to 1600 :D |
| 12:21.09 | ranix | JyZyXEL: you can head -1 /dev/ttyS0 to be quick and dirty to get one line to feed to a script |
| 12:21.14 | ranix | and have your script do that repeatedly |
| 12:21.17 | ranix | that's kind of wrong |
| 12:21.32 | Esine | ah |
| 12:21.33 | omid8bimo | Esine: i have a simple blender file, cool to get cpu started! :) |
| 12:21.39 | Esine | :] |
| 12:21.42 | JyZyXEL | ranix: oh its way wrong |
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| 12:21.48 | Esine | but omid8bimo it |
| 12:21.54 | JyZyXEL | READ=`dd if=/dev/ttyS0 count=1` |
| 12:21.58 | Esine | but omid8bimo it's something you shouldn't worry about |
| 12:22.15 | JyZyXEL | the problem is there isn't gonna be any data until i echo "" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 12:22.45 | omid8bimo | Esine: yeah, it's just makes me wonder! |
| 12:23.17 | omid8bimo | Esine: cool.. i ran a simple shell loop and it jump 1900 :D |
| 12:23.18 | ranix | JyZyXEL: it'll blocking wait for data on the serial port |
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| 12:23.31 | JyZyXEL | mhm |
| 12:24.03 | Esine | :) |
| 12:24.12 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ping |
| 12:27.01 | JyZyXEL | its pretty god damn hard reading the serial port in a bash script |
| 12:27.12 | JyZyXEL | i haven't found any tool that can do it yet |
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| 12:27.33 | ranix | JyZyXEL: socat might be able to do it |
| 12:27.38 | ranix | I would simply write something in C |
| 12:28.08 | ranix | that reads a byte from the serial port if there is one, otherwise doesn't |
| 12:28.18 | JyZyXEL | yea and then it would fail |
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| 12:28.25 | JyZyXEL | cause you need to first send a byte to get the byte |
| 12:28.51 | JyZyXEL | so you would need to thread the reading process and then send a byte |
| 12:29.05 | ranix | what |
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| 12:29.31 | abrotman | greenmang0: there are other people here also |
| 12:29.42 | abrotman | greenmang0: and 'tail' isn't going to cut it |
| 12:29.48 | JyZyXEL | well the device won't just give you the data magically |
| 12:29.50 | JyZyXEL | you need to ask for it |
| 12:29.56 | abrotman | greenmang0: paste the full Xorg.0.log and your xorg.conf |
| 12:30.09 | ranix | like with the read() function? |
| 12:30.15 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ok |
| 12:30.16 | JyZyXEL | so just reading isn't gonna be enough |
| 12:30.23 | JyZyXEL | you need to first ask for the data |
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| 12:30.43 | JyZyXEL | and thats what makes it so damn hard |
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| 12:30.52 | ranix | you might be confused |
| 12:30.59 | JyZyXEL | about what |
| 12:31.08 | ranix | do you mean the DEVICE connected to ttyS0 needs to be asked for data? |
| 12:31.14 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 12:31.16 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/43031/ > xorg.conf |
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| 12:31.19 | ranix | ok that's different |
| 12:31.21 | ranix | just write it in C |
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| 12:31.41 | JyZyXEL | i couldn't find out how to write such thing |
| 12:31.45 | ranix | you don't need to simultaneously read and write, the serial port buffers |
| 12:32.00 | ranix | write the request byte to the serial port and read when you're done |
| 12:32.03 | ranix | no threading involved |
| 12:32.13 | JyZyXEL | are you sure its gonna work like that? |
| 12:32.21 | Esine | yes JyZyXEL |
| 12:32.22 | Titan8990 | checks to make sure he is in #debian |
| 12:32.48 | Esine | nice marketing there.. your nickname.. |
| 12:32.52 | ranix | Titan8990_: it is mostly on-topic. He's using Debian and has questions about how to read/write to serial ports |
| 12:32.53 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/43032/ > Xorg.0.log |
| 12:32.55 | JyZyXEL | then i shall do that |
| 12:33.24 | Esine | ranix: well it's not really debian specific if you want to be pedantic |
| 12:33.25 | Titan8990 | aptitude install cutecom |
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| 12:33.30 | Titan8990 | ^ done |
| 12:33.33 | ranix | that's true |
| 12:33.36 | abrotman | greenmang0: how did you install Xorg ? |
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| 12:33.50 | JyZyXEL | you can't use cutecom on a script |
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| 12:34.08 | greenmang0 | abrotman: i installed xfce using debian dvd |
| 12:34.16 | abrotman | not what i asked ... |
| 12:34.24 | abrotman | greenmang0: aptitude install xorg .. does anything install ? |
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| 12:34.36 | JyZyXEL | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO.html |
| 12:35.05 | Akuw | i need to compress a dir with 1000 images using zip |
| 12:35.12 | Akuw | how can i use it |
| 12:35.26 | Titan8990 | Akuw, bash loop |
| 12:35.40 | ranix | zip -c /tmp/imagezip.zip /directorywithimages/* |
| 12:35.48 | greenmang0 | abrotman: no ... it's not installing anything |
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| 12:35.58 | Titan8990 | Akuw, oh... tar cvjf file.tar.bz2 /dir/ |
| 12:36.01 | abrotman | greenmang0: dpkg -l *intel* .. anything show up ? |
| 12:36.14 | abrotman | Akuw: didn't i tell you to read the man page ... last night ? |
| 12:36.16 | Titan8990 | ranix, i wouldn't recommend /* |
| 12:36.25 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yes |
| 12:36.33 | Titan8990 | ranix, unless it handles /* differently then tar |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | greenmang0: just the intel driver ? |
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| 12:36.39 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 |
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| 12:36.50 | greenmang0 | abrotman: un xserver-xorg-video-intel-modes |
| 12:36.59 | Akuw | i don't read that |
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| 12:37.06 | abrotman | greenmang0: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup .. try to start X again |
| 12:37.14 | JyZyXEL | ranix: looks like it indeed works like that |
| 12:37.23 | ranix | JyZyXEL: I thought so |
| 12:38.02 | ranix | should be simple to compile a quickie app you can dump in /usr/bin or sbin to use with your script |
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| 12:38.31 | Akuw | zip warning: name not matched: /Music/* |
| 12:38.31 | Akuw | zip error: Nothing to do! (/tmp/music.zip) |
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| 12:38.48 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/43033/ |
| 12:39.41 | Titan8990 | Akuw, man zip |
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| 12:43.19 | pist | Okay. |
| 12:43.32 | greenmang0 | http://paste.debian.net/43033/ |
| 12:43.34 | pist | Please tell me why I got banned yesterday. |
| 12:43.39 | greenmang0 | please help me with this |
| 12:43.54 | pist | I go in this hannel once a month to ask for help, and yesterday I was banned from #debian and #debian-fr |
| 12:43.58 | sanmarcos | thefuck |
| 12:44.05 | greenmang0 | anybody? |
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| 12:44.17 | Arafangion | I've got an hp mfc here... |
| 12:44.23 | Arafangion | Prints fine, faxes fine, but how do I scan? |
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| 12:45.15 | Akuw | hey i am using this zip -r music Music |
| 12:45.27 | Akuw | is supposed to compress recursive |
| 12:45.30 | Arafangion | It's USB. |
| 12:45.36 | pist | Arafangion: use xsane |
| 12:45.38 | sanmarcos | Akuw: missing a -0 or -9 jn there |
| 12:45.51 | Arafangion | pist: According to xsane, there are no devices found. :( |
| 12:45.54 | sanmarcos | zip -r -9 music.zip Music |
| 12:45.54 | Akuw | but i got http://linux.about.com/od/commands/a/blcmdl1_zipx.htm |
| 12:46.01 | greenmang0 | http://paste.debian.net/43033/ < please somebody help me to resolve xserver issue |
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| 12:51.55 | up365 | Arafangion, try reboot with device on and see if it's found then. |
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| 12:53.22 | wire | when I first installed this copy of debian, root was hda1 |
| 12:53.33 | hark | greenmang0: /msg dpkg drxx, create an xorg.conf |
| 12:53.49 | wire | when I copied it over to a new drive recently it became sda1 |
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| 12:54.09 | wire | every time debian installs a kernel it changes grub back to trying hda1 |
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| 12:54.31 | wire | where do I need to change it so it won't do this anymore? |
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| 12:54.51 | Arafangion | up365: Why on earth would I have to reboot? |
| 12:55.45 | up365 | Arafangion, I'm only relaying what I did to get my scanner to be recognized with xsane. |
| 12:56.20 | liable | wire: the KOPT bit in the automagic part of menu.lst |
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| 12:56.24 | hark | Arafangion: what hp is it? |
| 12:56.25 | the-dude | Arafangion: try as use root scanimage -L |
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| 12:57.47 | wire | liable: right but when I update to a new kernel, debian will autogenerate it wrong again |
| 12:58.08 | Arafangion | hark: Officejet 7130 |
| 12:58.14 | liable | wire: no, thats what the automgic bit does. you can edit and fix it |
| 12:58.17 | hark | no it won't |
| 12:58.33 | Arafangion | the-dude: What package provides canimage? |
| 12:58.36 | Arafangion | *scanimage |
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| 12:58.48 | hark | wire: make sure you don't remove the # |
| 12:59.10 | liable | hark: what you mean, no it wont? |
| 12:59.18 | the-dude | Arafangion: sane-utils |
| 12:59.36 | wire | liable: oh ok, I missunderstood what you were talking about |
| 12:59.57 | hark | liable: hi, replying to wire there :) |
| 12:59.59 | wire | I just assumed all that commented stuff didn't do anything |
| 13:00.19 | JyZyXEL | echo -ne "g" what tool could convert that to decimal? |
| 13:00.24 | JyZyXEL | 103 |
| 13:00.25 | Arafangion | What the heck? |
| 13:00.35 | Arafangion | I had xsane installed, but not sane nor sane-utils? |
| 13:00.45 | JyZyXEL | cause the only way i came up is: echo -ne "C" | hexdump -d | cut -d " " -f 4 | head -n 1 | cut -b 3,4,5 |
| 13:00.49 | wire | whats the command to have debian regenerate all that stuff? |
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| 13:00.52 | liable | wire: if you read the whole bit of text at the start, it sorta explains it |
| 13:00.56 | JyZyXEL | and that has to be the most rediculous way of doing it =D |
| 13:01.06 | wire | liable: yeah, but who has time to read things |
| 13:01.08 | wire | :P |
| 13:01.12 | the-dude | Arafangion: there are other ways to scan ;) |
| 13:01.17 | Arafangion | device `hpaio:/usb/officejet_7100_series?serial=MY43PF10706H' is a Hewlett-Packard officejet_7100_series all-in-one |
| 13:01.26 | liable | hark: hi back, i thought you were saying editing KOPT didnt do anything. |
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| 13:01.46 | abrotman | greenmang0: are you using a framebuffer ? |
| 13:01.49 | Arafangion | Looks like I can only find that as root. |
| 13:02.08 | greenmang0 | abrotman: don't know... how do i check that? |
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| 13:02.25 | hark | greenmang0: did you try with an xorg.conf? |
| 13:03.04 | greenmang0 | abrotman: i just tried purging xserver-xorg-video-fbdev ... but didn't help |
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| 13:03.23 | greenmang0 | hark: no.. i don't know how to create it |
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| 13:03.38 | hark | greenmang0: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 13:03.57 | hark | greenmang0: are you running squeeze? |
| 13:04.04 | greenmang0 | hark.. yes i did... dpkg says RTFM :) |
| 13:04.11 | the-dude | Arafangion: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html#48 |
| 13:04.13 | hark | !drxx |
| 13:04.13 | dpkg | For lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 13:04.14 | greenmang0 | hark: no... lenny |
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| 13:05.08 | greenmang0 | hark: yes.. i asked dpkg about <xorg config>... it says RTFM... |
| 13:05.20 | Arafangion | the-dude: Works now. :) |
| 13:05.33 | Arafangion | the-dude: All I needed was to add myself to the 'scanner' group. |
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| 13:05.49 | greenmang0 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:05.49 | the-dude | Arafangion: allright :) |
| 13:05.50 | greenmang0 | lspci |
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| 13:06.08 | hark | !tell greenmang0 about drxx |
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| 13:07.13 | Arafangion | the-dude: This is sooooo easy! |
| 13:07.46 | the-dude | Arafangion: yup and it works on networks too ;) |
| 13:08.02 | Arafangion | the-dude: Literally had to plug it in, turn it on, install _two_ packages (everything with 'sane' in it, just about), and bang, got scanning, faxing, printing... |
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| 13:09.08 | Arafangion | Hmm, xsane doesn't do multi-page scans? |
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| 13:09.15 | the-dude | yes it does |
| 13:09.39 | Arafangion | It didn't. Odd. |
| 13:09.45 | the-dude | but it scans them in seperate files |
| 13:09.46 | hark | greenmang0: http://bugs.debian.org/508476 |
| 13:09.50 | Tapout | My box is hanging, after it hits.. [28.30 and 28.33] .. with device-mapper:uevent: version 1.03 .. device_mapper: ictl ... it just hangs, nothing happens. Anyone knwo what it could be halting on? |
| 13:10.30 | greenmang0 | hark: hehe... reading that only |
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| 13:14.14 | Tapout | dammit my box keeps hanging.. argg |
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| 13:15.13 | greenmang0 | hark.. it says latest version of xorg-server has fixed the issue.. but bug was posted in 2008... and there's no such package in stable repo |
| 13:15.16 | kichawa | hi @ll |
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| 13:15.28 | kichawa | i've some problem with lamp |
| 13:15.50 | liable | change the bulb |
| 13:15.54 | kichawa | i've installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 13:16.12 | kichawa | but still have Fatal error: Call to undefined function mssql_connect() ;/ |
| 13:16.26 | kichawa | it's lenny |
| 13:16.27 | Ezep | mssql? |
| 13:16.45 | kichawa | no, it's mysql ;f |
| 13:17.01 | Ezep | Well, php5 != mysql :) |
| 13:17.01 | abrotman | kichawa: did you install php5-mysql ? |
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| 13:17.09 | SQlvpapir | liable: no luck :( |
| 13:17.18 | kichawa | o shit O_o |
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| 13:17.40 | abrotman | some people call it that ... |
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| 13:18.02 | Ezep | haha |
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| 13:19.08 | kichawa | abrotman: yeah oc i php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5 |
| 13:19.17 | abrotman | oc i ? |
| 13:19.31 | kichawa | of course "i like installed" |
| 13:19.47 | abrotman | so it's installed now, and apache has been restarted since installation ? |
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| 13:21.17 | greenmang0 | no luck with xserver as yet |
| 13:21.55 | kichawa | abrotman: i fucked up:/ i want to use mysql and type mssql in .php :/ |
| 13:22.18 | kichawa | abrotman: yeah i've restarted the apache daemon |
| 13:22.33 | kichawa | it works now ;f |
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| 13:25.05 | kichawa | Ezep: "php5 != mysql" what do you mean ? |
| 13:25.19 | jacks | hi guys, i am after a solution to keep directories on a master server in sync (in real time) with the slave servers, do you know of a decent solution for this? is rsync capable of this? |
| 13:25.51 | Ezep | kichawa: |
| 13:25.51 | Ezep | <kichawa> i've installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:26.12 | abrotman | kichawa: does it work or not ? |
| 13:26.26 | Ezep | jacks: maybe RAID? |
| 13:26.31 | abrotman | jacks: i think FUSE has something like that |
| 13:26.35 | kichawa | yeah, it works |
| 13:26.57 | kichawa | well done |
| 13:27.17 | jacks | thanks, ill look into FUSE :) |
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| 13:28.11 | abrotman | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=FileSystems#Categories |
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| 13:31.36 | greenmang0 | hark: abrotman... still no luck |
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| 13:32.03 | abrotman | greenmang0: your card should be supported ... tried creatign an xorg.conf with X -configure ? |
| 13:32.16 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yes |
| 13:32.21 | greenmang0 | abrotman: didn't work |
| 13:32.42 | greenmang0 | abrotman: it was working with Etch... |
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| 13:36.57 | greenmang0 | xrandr --verbose ---says can't open display |
| 13:37.26 | Ezep | You need X to use xrandr |
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| 13:38.54 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 13:38.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 13:40.25 | liable | !abrotmoo |
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| 13:40.55 | hark | greenmang0: same error? |
| 13:41.14 | greenmang0 | hark yeah |
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| 13:42.40 | greenmang0 | hark: xrandr says can't open display |
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| 13:42.42 | greenmang0 | :( |
| 13:43.58 | hark | greenmang0: you need X for that... pastebin your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log |
| 13:44.09 | hark | oh |
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| 13:48.08 | dazman | This might be a bit of a scary question, but here goes... has anyone ever tried to do a debootstrap from within OS X, and have it pull down say Etch so you can chroot into it? (Is it even logically possible?) |
| 13:48.35 | petemc | i wouldnt have thought so |
| 13:48.49 | enouf | dazman: all you need is compatible hardware and a free dir/ |
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| 13:49.15 | petemc | and a compatible kernel? |
| 13:49.17 | enouf | dazman: does os x even know what a chroot is? |
| 13:49.20 | dazman | enouf: That's what I figured... |
| 13:49.31 | dazman | enouf: of course :) |
| 13:49.35 | enouf | petemc: point |
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| 13:49.55 | enouf | dazman: i was thinking of .. booting into it, not chroot'ing |
| 13:49.58 | dazman | Well, the kernel is a good point.. :) |
| 13:50.23 | dazman | enouf: Ah, it's for development purposes.. I guess I'll just get another box/virtualbox running Debian and SSH in and do it instead. :) |
| 13:50.31 | dazman | Like I said, it was a bit of a scary question.. heh. |
| 13:51.07 | enouf | after all, it _is_ debootstrap, not debchrootstrap ;-) |
| 13:51.38 | dazman | enouf: Well generally, I just debootstrap, chroot into it, and do a load of compiling etc inside it.. so I have a set version of libs different to the main box |
| 13:51.53 | enouf | dazman: you actually might have better lluck with the KFreeBSD/Debian port .. or whatever it's called |
| 13:52.23 | dazman | enouf: I think I'm going to stick with just running VirtualBox with a proper Debian install.. and go from there.. |
| 13:52.25 | enouf | dazman: i just have multiple installs that i chroot into |
| 13:52.29 | enouf | ;-) |
| 13:52.48 | enouf | dazman: see if qemu or similar offers an option you desire |
| 13:52.53 | dazman | Oddly, I kind of forgot about the kernel :p *runs* |
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| 13:53.07 | enouf | dazman: note; as an aside; schroot |
| 13:53.23 | enouf | dazman: replaces/better than dchroot |
| 13:53.32 | enouf | user friendly ;-) |
| 13:53.42 | Tapout | dang, my box won't come up!!! ... the last message is always ... EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with writeback data mode.... and then nothing |
| 13:53.59 | dazman | enouf: right.. but where's the fun in that! ;) |
| 13:54.16 | enouf | Tapout: i've got a Dell Workstation Dual XEON that HATES anything semi-new Linux |
| 13:54.31 | victim | how would you interpret the statement, "configure a 4+1 RAID 5 array"? 4 drives with 1 hot spare? |
| 13:54.36 | Tapout | enouf, it has been working fine until this latest kernel.. :( -17 |
| 13:54.42 | enouf | Tapout: boot a livecd and fsck |
| 13:54.54 | enouf | er, .. .17? |
| 13:54.56 | Tapout | yeah i'm doing that now, i was just thinking that |
| 13:55.05 | Tapout | yeah the -17 kernel, i was on -15 revision |
| 13:55.09 | enouf | care to post the full version? |
| 13:55.26 | enouf | i didn't realize that dashes are known kernel verisons |
| 13:55.27 | Tapout | 2.6.26-2 |
| 13:55.38 | enouf | then how is that -17? |
| 13:55.41 | Tapout | in the changelog, the -17 |
| 13:55.49 | Tapout | nah the changelog from .. -15 to -17 |
| 13:55.51 | enouf | no, that's unstable ... likelu |
| 13:56.09 | enouf | changelogs reflect unstable ... since that's most entry point |
| 13:56.21 | enouf | wait - are you on Lenny or not? |
| 13:56.42 | Tapout | i'm on lenny, they forced a kernel update on me.. i was at -15, and i read the changelog to see what they changed.. |
| 13:57.04 | victim | exit |
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| 13:57.21 | enouf | judd versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny |
| 13:57.22 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
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| 13:57.37 | enouf | is that what you mean? |
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| 13:57.43 | Tapout | yeah the +17 |
| 13:57.48 | enouf | judd versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release lenny-backports |
| 13:57.48 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 |
| 13:58.06 | enouf | Tapout: well, +17 is hardly -17 :-p |
| 13:58.14 | drwn | how I can config a server with 2 public address one for mail and the second for hosting ? |
| 13:58.15 | Tapout | in the changelog they had it -17 :) |
| 13:58.18 | Tapout | roger tho |
| 13:58.25 | enouf | Tapout: well - was it due to a DSA? |
| 13:58.28 | enouf | !dsa |
| 13:58.29 | dpkg | i guess dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ , or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers. |
| 13:58.37 | enouf | i don't run lenny |
| 13:58.46 | Tapout | yes |
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| 13:59.09 | enouf | well, there you go -- however, i DOUBT anything FS related was altered |
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| 13:59.29 | enouf | Tapout: do what i mentioned |
| 13:59.35 | Tapout | enouf, i've got one drive as xfs, and i can't remember which... know how I probe for ext3? |
| 13:59.45 | enouf | what? |
| 13:59.47 | Tapout | sda, sdb, or sdc is xfs |
| 13:59.51 | Tapout | the other 2 are ext3 |
| 14:00.04 | Tapout | i'm gonna fsck the 2 ext3's |
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| 14:00.14 | enouf | Tapout: "EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with writeback data mode...." is not an error |
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| 14:00.51 | enouf | but you might want to use tune2fs to alter that to data=ordered mode |
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| 14:02.39 | msingh | can i expect my wifi card to work out of the box or will i need to set it up? |
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| 14:03.18 | abrotman | depends on the card |
| 14:03.44 | foo-nix | I am trying to update mutt to 1.5.20, to fix a nasty bug. |
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| 14:04.09 | foo-nix | Unfortunately, it will not go over 1.5.18-6 although I added squeeze and testing to sources.list. |
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| 14:04.16 | msingh | abrotman, i guess i can try and see. thanks :) |
| 14:04.23 | foo-nix | This page suggests otherwise: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mutt |
| 14:04.34 | foo-nix | I have ran apt-get update, but nothing happend |
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| 14:04.42 | foo-nix | as well ass apt-get install mutt |
| 14:05.28 | foo-nix | What can I do to go to testing/squeeze? |
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| 14:07.03 | Pyur | apt-get install -t testing mutt ? |
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| 14:08.01 | abrotman | msingh: or you can tell us the card |
| 14:08.22 | msingh | abrotman, it is a propreitary dlink one, let me get the exact make, 1 sec. |
| 14:08.25 | Tapout | enouf, surprisingly it's the xfs that is messed up :( |
| 14:08.41 | foo-nix | Pyur, kk, thanx |
| 14:08.47 | enouf | ofcourse - nothing surprising there' |
| 14:09.01 | abrotman | X font server! |
| 14:09.10 | enouf | heh |
| 14:09.18 | msingh | aboyz, DWL-G650+ |
| 14:09.22 | enouf | abrotman: FSselect? |
| 14:09.25 | msingh | sorry that was to abrotman |
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| 14:09.42 | foo-nix | Pyur, http://pastebin.com/m5af835a |
| 14:09.42 | Tagor | I it possible to disable outgoing mail in Sendmail but have the option enabled for the processes on the server (php, asterisk, mon, etc.) |
| 14:09.48 | enouf | xfselect ... heh |
| 14:09.50 | abrotman | !DWL-G650+ |
| 14:09.50 | dpkg | The DWL-G650+ is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. Revisions A1 and B1 use the Texas Instruments ACX 111 chipset, ask me about <acx111>. |
| 14:09.56 | foo-nix | Pyur, unfortunately, I am doing something wrong. |
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| 14:10.01 | abrotman | !tell msingh about acx111 |
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| 14:10.26 | abrotman | msingh: seems like a lovely device .. needs firmware .. no WPA .. build driver from source .. yay fun |
| 14:10.29 | ubiquitous1980 | hey guys I just accidently wrote over a pdf using the pdf export tool in OOo on a fat file system...any ideas on original file recovery? |
| 14:10.37 | enouf | notices that someone's been studying obscure factoids |
| 14:10.45 | enouf | runs |
| 14:10.51 | msingh | abrotman, argh. i have it working for a few years but i cant remember how. maybe using ndiswrapper? |
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| 14:10.53 | abrotman | ubiquitous1980: not likely |
| 14:11.00 | abrotman | msingh: it being what? |
| 14:11.06 | abrotman | the WPA or the card ? |
| 14:11.06 | foo-nix | ubiquitous1980, unmount the drive as soon as possible. |
| 14:11.14 | tawan | ola, is it bad to sudo a grapical app on debian, should i install and use gksu or gksudo for debian? |
| 14:11.15 | foo-nix | ubiquitous1980, and prey. |
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| 14:11.22 | cusco | hi |
| 14:11.24 | abrotman | foo-nix: it's vfat ... |
| 14:11.29 | ubiquitous1980 | foo-nix If I unmount, it will write to the thumb drive |
| 14:11.32 | foo-nix | ubiquitous1980, although I see little change in restoring an overwritten file. |
| 14:11.42 | enouf | ubiquitous1980: what? fat FSType? --- > ##windows |
| 14:11.49 | Devjos | starting the hotplug events dispatcher udevd |
| 14:11.50 | Devjos | failed |
| 14:11.55 | Devjos | booting |
| 14:11.58 | KC | Do hardlinks need to have the same filename on each node? |
| 14:12.02 | Devjos | on debian 4 |
| 14:12.04 | msingh | abrotman, oh i dont use WPA, happy to use nothing really. it's just for a media center |
| 14:12.06 | ubiquitous1980 | enouf, what are you trying to get at? |
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| 14:12.17 | abrotman | msingh: okay .. so see what the bot told you in msg |
| 14:12.18 | foo-nix | ubiquitous1980, I see, sorry, no intention of flushing undesirable buffers. |
| 14:12.23 | ubiquitous1980 | I am in linux trying to recover it |
| 14:12.27 | KC | n/m |
| 14:12.29 | enouf | ubiquitous1980: it'll sync, .. if you want, go ahead and sysrq your way out of it, haha |
| 14:12.36 | foo-nix | ubiquitous1980, but at least, you want to prevent any write operations on the disk. |
| 14:12.40 | cusco | I have a partition of 111Gigs, 54G used, 52G available. Can I use dd to backup the used bit only? |
| 14:12.41 | enouf | ubiquitous1980: no you are not |
| 14:12.58 | Tapout | enouf, this rescue kernel that they gave me, doesn't have XFs in it... any idea how I can get it on this rescue kernel? |
| 14:12.58 | enouf | and you do not want to be |
| 14:13.01 | Devjos | starting the hotplug events dispatcher udevd ... fail booting agian nsswitch with ldap |
| 14:13.17 | petemc | cusco: why would you? |
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| 14:13.41 | cusco | you are right petemc ... |
| 14:13.43 | enouf | Tapout: maybe you can beg for a porridged kernel - i have no idea what you are blatthering about |
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| 14:13.57 | Wolfnoliir | Hello, does anyone know why there is no opengl man pages in debian and where I can find a .deb for them? |
| 14:13.57 | cusco | how would I backup everything but other mounted partitions and /proc etc |
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| 14:14.04 | liable | mm, porridge |
| 14:14.06 | petemc | cusco: probably if you pipe it through gzip or some such it would achieve a similar effect, but i can think of better ways to backup |
| 14:14.10 | cusco | so scp -r /* dos not seem liable |
| 14:14.25 | liable | dont bring me into it! |
| 14:14.29 | petemc | cusco: i use dirvish, but backuppc and other such tools work well too |
| 14:14.29 | foo-nix | abrotman, wouldn't a hard unmount work? |
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| 14:14.34 | cusco | liable: hah! sorry |
| 14:14.39 | liable | :) |
| 14:14.47 | abrotman | if it's USB .. he could just yank it .. though no telling how badly he'd damage the FS |
| 14:14.48 | enouf | Tapout: if i use _any_ FSType, i'm sure to be able to have recovery tools always available |
| 14:15.11 | cusco | its not usb, we are going to reinstall everything, but want to backup everything |
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| 14:15.26 | enouf | abrotman: and nobody cares, since it |
| 14:15.30 | enouf | s FAT |
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| 14:16.14 | Tapout | enouf, xfs is out :) |
| 14:16.16 | enouf | the kid can't even tell us which FAT type |
| 14:16.19 | Tapout | once i get it restored that is |
| 14:16.20 | Zesturian | About to setup a NAS, what's the highest performance protocol? |
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| 14:16.55 | enouf | how secure Zesturian ? |
| 14:16.58 | cusco | is there a way I can scp -r /* and not count /proc ... and maybe other stuff that I would not want such as mountpoints |
| 14:17.00 | ubiquitous1980 | W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 14:17.09 | enouf | Zesturian: netcat is fast :-P |
| 14:17.09 | ubiquitous1980 | enouf |
| 14:17.30 | enouf | vfat then ubiquitous1980 |
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| 14:17.43 | odla | how can i tell what timezone debian thinks i am in? |
| 14:17.55 | enouf | !set the time |
| 14:17.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 14:18.03 | Zesturian | No local port enouf, directories will be mounted on a separate machine local to the network |
| 14:18.08 | ubiquitous1980 | enouf, probably I think I did format it in linux |
| 14:18.13 | enouf | erm .. just 'date' |
| 14:18.19 | Pyur | foo-nix : apt-get -t testing install mutt ( sorry ) |
| 14:18.23 | ubiquitous1980 | recovery seems hopeless then |
| 14:18.25 | cusco | Zesturian: I set up a NAS and it performs slow with smb... it does not have ssh tho :( |
| 14:18.26 | odla | enouf: thanks |
| 14:18.36 | enouf | date -u will give you UTC |
| 14:18.45 | enouf | or is it -utc .. whatever |
| 14:18.57 | odla | i had just run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and wanted to make sure that it went through ok |
| 14:19.07 | enouf | Zesturian: so ? |
| 14:19.23 | enouf | Zesturian: local == LAN? |
| 14:19.35 | cusco | gigabit seemsfast :p |
| 14:19.53 | Zesturian | Yup enouf, what sort of speeds cusco? |
| 14:20.02 | enouf | Zesturian: nc |
| 14:20.16 | foo-nix | Pyur, http://pastebin.com/m431c69fd |
| 14:20.24 | foo-nix | Pyur, For some reason, it fails :P |
| 14:20.32 | Zesturian | Any articles you can point me to please enouf? |
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| 14:20.57 | enouf | Zesturian: install it and read the accomanying manpage and doc/* |
| 14:21.09 | enouf | !nv |
| 14:21.09 | dpkg | i guess nv is the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/nv, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVIDIA Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 14:21.13 | enouf | BAH |
| 14:21.17 | enouf | !nc |
| 14:21.18 | dpkg | i guess nc is (Network Computer) This is a concept that came from the old days of dumb terminals. They are supposed to reduce the cost of standardized computers in the office environment. or the name of the netcat binary. North Carolina, or where the tobacco grows greener |
| 14:21.18 | foo-nix | Pyur, even apt-get install -t unstable mutt doesn't get it. |
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| 14:21.25 | enouf | ... !!! |
| 14:21.32 | enouf | !netcat |
| 14:21.32 | dpkg | methinks netcat is a neat little networking toolkit, or a must-have (http://www.l0pht.com/~weld/netcat/), or a great MUA... no, really. try "nc" if you want the other netcat thingy |
| 14:21.36 | Zesturian | I've used netcat in the past, but I'm not sure how without chaining a bunch of shell commands you could have it mounted, a pipe? |
| 14:22.01 | foo-nix | Pyur, some of mutt-1.5.20's dependecies are only available through testing/squeeze/unstable could that be it? |
| 14:22.02 | enouf | netcat doesn't mount things |
| 14:22.22 | foo-nix | Pyur, i.e. the versions in lenny of these deps are too old. |
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| 14:22.32 | Zesturian | No I understand that, so how can it be used to communicate with a NAS? |
| 14:22.33 | Pyur | Maybe |
| 14:22.52 | Zesturian | I need a persistent directory on one system to communicate with the local NAS |
| 14:22.54 | foo-nix | Pyur, so I added unstable, squeeze and testing to sources.list: |
| 14:22.55 | enouf | Zesturian: what is a NAS? precisely? |
| 14:23.04 | Zesturian | Network Attached Storage enouf |
| 14:23.05 | Pyur | foo-nix : I'm using sid so I can not test really |
| 14:23.13 | foo-nix | kk |
| 14:23.15 | foo-nix | thanx anyway |
| 14:23.18 | enouf | a Presumable networking FSType must be presumed? |
| 14:23.38 | enouf | i know what the acronym means |
| 14:24.07 | foo-nix | http://pastebin.com/m5fdc82f |
| 14:24.14 | enouf | if it's on the LAN it can be nc'd |
| 14:24.22 | Zesturian | Yup enouf, so you use the directories as if they were local, but they're infact a remote server |
| 14:24.26 | enouf | even over the net, it could be |
| 14:24.35 | enouf | but that's not too secure ;-) |
| 14:25.08 | enouf | Zesturian: "server" ? you mean host/client relationship? |
| 14:25.08 | Zesturian | Yeah, understandable, but this is all local, so it's only exposed to the local private network |
| 14:25.20 | enouf | so use nc |
| 14:25.38 | enouf | if your MAIN concern is "performance" |
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| 14:27.54 | Zesturian | Yes enouf, I imagine you're talking about redirecting a file through the socket, but this needs to be transparent, as if the directory it is putting the file to is on the same server, not to mention it doesn't check integrity with netcat |
| 14:28.06 | Tapout | how do I get rid of an iscsi entry if it hangs forever.. and then I use a rescue kernel to get in, how do I disable it? I chmod -x'd the /etc/init.d/open-iscsi and it still hangs, could or couldn't be related to this but i think it is |
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| 14:35.06 | foo-nix | Could someone help me get mutt 1.5.20 installed from: |
| 14:35.07 | foo-nix | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free testing squeeze |
| 14:35.08 | foo-nix | ? |
| 14:35.20 | petemc | no |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | foo-nix: what the hell is that? |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | that's completely wrong |
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| 14:35.40 | abrotman | judd: versions mutt |
| 14:35.40 | judd | abrotman: mutt -- etch: 1.5.13-1.1etch1 etch-backports: 1.5.18-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.18-6 sid: 1.5.20-2 squeeze: 1.5.20-2 |
| 14:35.44 | brah | lenny squeeze |
| 14:35.45 | brah | cool story |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | what's wrong with the mutt in lenny ? |
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| 14:36.37 | foo-nix | abrotman, an attempt to get packages from the testing branch |
| 14:36.43 | abrotman | what's wrong with the mutt in lenny ? |
| 14:36.51 | abrotman | and please don't mix versions of debian |
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| 14:38.57 | foo-nix | abrotman, that it segfaults due to a bug. |
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| 14:39.30 | abrotman | is the bug documented somewhere? |
| 14:39.35 | foo-nix | abrotman, yes |
| 14:39.46 | foo-nix | the bug is fixed in 1.5.20 |
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| 14:40.44 | foo-nix | abrotman, http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=Selecting+INBOX...gdbm+fatal%3A+lseek+error |
| 14:40.48 | deever | what capabilit(y/ies) do i need to have for using promiscuous mode as a user? |
| 14:41.34 | foo-nix | abrotman, http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/3057 |
| 14:41.51 | abrotman | foo-nix: that doesn't mean much .. look in the debian bug tracker |
| 14:42.30 | foo-nix | abrotman, It is an exact description of my problems, and the answer to update to 1.5.20 |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | foo-nix: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462266 |
| 14:42.41 | ajavid | good morning |
| 14:42.51 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/43040/ <-- someone kindly look at this |
| 14:43.00 | ajavid | my email address was farmed out of the debian BTS |
| 14:43.03 | ajavid | and I was sent spam mail |
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| 14:43.07 | ajavid | wtf is goig on? |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | foo-nix: if that's the same bug .. it's been fixed |
| 14:43.22 | petemc | abrotman: its called spam, surprised you havent ran into it before |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | ajavid: they're avialable for anyone to see .. why are you confused ? |
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| 14:43.27 | petemc | ajavid: ^^^^ |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | petemc: i'm not stupid .. i've seen spam |
| 14:43.43 | petemc | abrotman: that was meant for ajavid |
| 14:43.54 | ajavid | never happened before |
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| 14:44.22 | abrotman | you put your email address on a public site for anyone to view .. and oyu're surprised you get spam? seriously? |
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| 14:44.46 | ajavid | I didn't put it there |
| 14:44.55 | ajavid | it shows up on the BTS when you file |
| 14:45.04 | abrotman | yes .. you put it there |
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| 14:46.05 | ajavid | so anyone who files on the BTS should beware |
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| 14:46.06 | ajavid | ? |
| 14:46.14 | petemc | anyone who has an email address more like |
| 14:46.14 | ajavid | or not file on the bts with real email address |
| 14:46.17 | ajavid | to avoid spam |
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| 14:46.25 | abrotman | why is this hard to grasp? |
| 14:46.41 | dondelelcaro | if you want your bug to be fixed, you need to file a bug with an e-mail address which you can be contacted at |
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| 14:47.06 | ajavid | yup |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | is that really the first piece of spam you got from the BTS? |
| 14:47.10 | ajavid | create a new email for bugs only |
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| 14:47.14 | ajavid | abrotman, yes |
| 14:47.22 | ajavid | kinda shocked, surprised |
| 14:47.26 | dondelelcaro | or use anti-spam measures |
| 14:47.31 | ajavid | definitely not upset, as you may percieve |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | ajavid: and that's what lots of people do .. have a special address just for debian-bugs etc .. |
| 14:47.41 | keith4 | yah, like a gmail address |
| 14:47.47 | foo-nix | abrotman, The ticket points here: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/3057 , where the fix is described at the bottom, which was what I already persueing earlier. Unfortunately, updating to 1.5.20 did not work, neither compiling nor from testing/squeeze. |
| 14:48.01 | abrotman | foo-nix: the fix was already in the package in lenny |
| 14:48.18 | dondelelcaro | considering that an e-mail address which gets to me is on every single page of the BTS, it's not like its difficult to deal with... |
| 14:48.20 | ajavid | well I have a gmail address |
| 14:48.21 | abrotman | foo-nix: so it's possible your issue isn't that issue |
| 14:48.21 | foo-nix | abrotman, then why do I have the segfault? |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | foo-nix: i have no idea .. i haven't seen your segfault |
| 14:48.41 | foo-nix | abrotman, which makes it all more complicated. I am going to remove my muttrc. |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | ajavid: it's a spam filter .. it's automated .. things will get through |
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| 14:48.56 | foo-nix | abrotman, never mind, I will hack it some more. |
| 14:49.08 | ajavid | yeh |
| 14:49.18 | ajavid | it just caught me off gaurd, wasn't expecting it really |
| 14:49.22 | ajavid | no big deal |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | but if you invent the 100% accurate spam filter .. let someone know .. |
| 14:49.30 | ajavid | I wish |
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| 14:50.21 | cypr1nus | hello, how can I get remove package with all configuration? |
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| 14:50.32 | ajavid | I am looking for a very nice man of love, caring, honest, matured, understanding, and of good character, then after going to your profile on this site (bugs.debian.org) pick interest in you <- I'm sorry, thats just fucking hilarious. |
| 14:50.34 | petemc | cypr1nus: aptitude purge foo |
| 14:50.37 | ajavid | :) |
| 14:50.49 | ajavid | ahhh boy :) |
| 14:51.06 | deever | which capabilities do i need to run wireshark in promisc mode withou uid 0? |
| 14:51.28 | petemc | deever: there should be an option with the wireshark package to run it as root |
| 14:51.33 | Titan8990 | adduser USER wireshark |
| 14:51.42 | Titan8990 | there should be a wireshark group |
| 14:51.45 | ajavid | oh it creates its own group? |
| 14:51.48 | Titan8990 | atleast there is in gentoo |
| 14:51.59 | liable | i dont think so |
| 14:52.08 | ajavid | just install it and go to /usr/share/doc/wireshark |
| 14:52.10 | ajavid | find out |
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| 14:52.22 | Titan8990 | sorry |
| 14:52.34 | deever | Titan8990: no such group here...;) |
| 14:52.43 | Titan8990 | ah, yes, wireshark group on my gentoo machine, maybe debian names it differently |
| 14:53.31 | liable | there is no group at all, it just asks for root perms if you want to put the dev in promiscuous mode |
| 14:53.36 | Titan8990 | no, checked my debian machine, no group |
| 14:53.49 | foo-nix | abrotman, for some reason, removing the .mutt-dir (which contains no configuration, only cache, worked. |
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| 14:53.56 | foo-nix | abrotman, this was a try and see. |
| 14:54.06 | Titan8990 | i guess debian intends you use gksudo or gnome-keyring or some type priv escalation |
| 14:54.36 | ajavid | in kde it uses kdesudo |
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| 14:55.00 | ajavid | its the same way with nmap etc. |
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| 14:56.50 | Titan8990 | nmap isn't a graphical application |
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| 14:57.04 | Titan8990 | you can just run it as root |
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| 14:57.18 | flami | Hi, does anyone know what the name of german dvorak is in xorg? with loadkeymap for the kernel its dvorak-de , but setxkbmap dvorak-de doesnt work. |
| 14:58.11 | ajavid | Titan8990, nmapfe |
| 14:58.14 | Faithful | In linux how are the cpu cores designate, like I have 2 QuadCores... which is cpu0,1,2...7 etc? |
| 14:58.17 | ajavid | knmap too I think |
| 14:58.34 | foo-nix | abrotman, anyroad, I am very happy to see mutt, since I have been using the gmailwebinterface for the last few days. |
| 14:58.45 | foo-nix | Thank you for your time and help. |
| 14:58.49 | Titan8990 | ajavid, nmapfe? |
| 14:58.56 | ajavid | socket 0, core 0-3, socket1, core 0-3 (not any specific order afaik) |
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| 14:59.06 | ajavid | Titan8990, front end |
| 14:59.11 | ajavid | !+info nmapfe |
| 14:59.12 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:59.36 | Titan8990 | ajavid, yeah, there is zenmap but its about as worthless as GUIs get.... you just type commands into a textbox instead of a command line |
| 14:59.41 | dpkg | Package 'nmapfe' does not exist. |
| 15:00.01 | ajavid | virtual package, used to be real |
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| 15:00.13 | ajavid | ahh, its provided now by zenmap |
| 15:00.25 | ajavid | well, there is still knmap |
| 15:00.32 | Faithful | ajavid, but which cores are socket0 and which socket1 ... how to tell |
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| 15:00.50 | ajavid | Faithful, thts on the motherboad, its labled socket 0 or socket 1 etc. |
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| 15:01.01 | ajavid | as for how the cores are numbers, who knows, who cares? what ar eyou trying to do? |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | foo-nix: glad to .. help |
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| 15:02.28 | foo-nix | :) |
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| 15:02.37 | Faithful | ajavid, well is there any benefit running say 2 cores on socket0 and 2 socket1 for a virtual host... is there speed improvement using different physical devices |
| 15:02.50 | Faithful | say instead of 4 cores of 1 socket |
| 15:03.01 | ajavid | oh I see |
| 15:03.14 | ajavid | Faithful, you can easily degisnate which cpu/core you want to use for a certain vm |
| 15:03.28 | ajavid | Faithful, I'm guessing you are using vmware (not sure if vbox allows this) |
| 15:04.01 | Faithful | ajavid, Xen, and yes you can designate... but I am trying to find out the best use of the hardware. |
| 15:04.06 | Wolfnoliir | :quit |
| 15:04.23 | ajavid | Faithful, load balancing then |
| 15:04.24 | tabris|away | Faithful: a) you probably have more memory and pcie-bus bandwidth if you have more sockets b) the downside is that if you're only at say 25-50% utilization, it can be more power-efficient to be able to run all VMs on a single package/socket |
| 15:04.33 | ajavid | Faithful, utilize 2 cores, 1 from each cpu, and designate to yoru vm |
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| 15:05.11 | ajavid | Faithful, it really depends on the nature/purpose of your vm, is it going to be a server? |
| 15:05.21 | Faithful | yes servers |
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| 15:05.45 | Faithful | see I am going to separate which vms get which cores but I want to do it right... |
| 15:05.56 | ajavid | there really isn't 'right' per se |
| 15:06.03 | Faithful | but it brings me back to the original question |
| 15:06.06 | tabris|away | it depends on your workload. |
| 15:06.35 | ajavid | it really doesn't matter imo |
| 15:06.38 | Faithful | I don't care too much about power consumption... I want this baby to roar... |
| 15:07.04 | tabris|away | the cpu affinity tools iirc do have ways to represent layout. |
| 15:07.12 | tabris|away | it's probably easier if you can use the NUMA tools. |
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| 15:07.25 | tabris|away | otoh, i'd have to admit that I've never had to care before. |
| 15:07.28 | Faithful | Well I was wondering... you know if it is like hard disks... the more spindles the better. |
| 15:07.38 | liable | RAAAWWWWR |
| 15:07.42 | ajavid | lol |
| 15:07.50 | ajavid | my old gf used to say that all the time |
| 15:07.52 | ajavid | RAWR! |
| 15:07.55 | tabris|away | Faithful: I believe I did answer that earlier. there's typically more bandwidth with more sockets. |
| 15:08.02 | ajavid | liable, you are not her are you? |
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| 15:08.10 | ajavid | stalkin me online |
| 15:08.12 | liable | fucking narwhals! RAAAAWWWR |
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| 15:08.45 | ajavid | liable, chill pill dawg |
| 15:08.52 | Faithful | tabris|away, yes but ... how do you tell which of the 8 cores are on which cpu? |
| 15:08.55 | ajavid | Faithful, I dont' think it would matter |
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| 15:09.11 | tabris|away | Faithful: there are a number of cpu affinity tools. |
| 15:09.20 | Faithful | Ok... |
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| 15:09.46 | ajavid | Faithful, may I ask your specs? |
| 15:09.52 | liable | i dont ever really need chill pills, was just hoping you might google and thus experience one of the silliest (but funny) internet memes ever |
| 15:10.08 | ajavid | Faithful, I've just upgraded to 16gb, and a quad core, I used to have 8gb ram and a core2 e6300 |
| 15:10.18 | ajavid | only 1 quad though |
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| 15:10.29 | ajavid | this is my desktop btw |
| 15:10.30 | ajavid | :D |
| 15:10.46 | tabris|away | Faithful: according to the Google Oracle, you want schedutils |
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| 15:10.52 | Faithful | tabris|away, Xen lets you assign specific cores in the vm config files... but... "which core is on which socket"? |
| 15:11.29 | ajavid | shouldn't it be cpu0, core 1-4 |
| 15:11.33 | ajavid | etc. and cpu1 core 1-4 |
| 15:11.38 | tabris|away | ajavid: not necessarily |
| 15:11.47 | Faithful | mabe someone in #hardware knows |
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| 15:13.54 | tabris|away | Faithful: i'm trying to find the relevant docs. the most i've gotten from google so far is 'schedutils' |
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| 15:15.20 | ajavid | liable, a whale? |
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| 15:16.00 | liable | ajavid: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7835/ignboardsofficiallookinkj4.png |
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| 15:17.29 | ajavid | Gojira |
| 15:17.54 | ajavid | ! dun dun dun |
| 15:18.32 | ajavid | tabris|away, I'd like a multisocket board :) |
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| 15:19.07 | marcompile | hello, I need to build debian from scratch. How do I start? |
| 15:19.13 | ajavid | marcompile, why |
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| 15:19.24 | marcompile | is there any guide about that? |
| 15:19.26 | ajavid | marcompile, you mean to say you want to install debian? |
| 15:19.28 | ajavid | marcompile, sure |
| 15:19.31 | ajavid | marcompile, /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:19.57 | marcompile | ajavid: I need an arm (not armel) debian lenny compiled with soft fpu |
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| 15:20.26 | ajavid | I'm a noob, dunno what to tell you. |
| 15:20.37 | ajavid | arm would be in etch I guess, as lenny has armel now? |
| 15:20.48 | cusco | o.O |
| 15:20.52 | marcompile | lenny has both |
| 15:20.55 | ajavid | or what? see I dunno nothing beyond x86 or amd64 |
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| 15:21.25 | ajavid | !arm |
| 15:21.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 15:21.51 | ajavid | ahh thats what it was, queeze onward |
| 15:21.55 | marcompile | I got lenny working with hard-fpu, but i need to recompile libc, glib, gtk, etc etc to use soft-float, but I think wverything will break when I change the glib, so I need to make another system building all from scratch |
| 15:21.56 | ajavid | squeez |
| 15:22.15 | tabris|away | Faithful: ok, the most I can get right now is staring at /proc/cpuinfo which has a 'physical id' |
| 15:22.24 | ajavid | marcompile, best supported in #debian-arm irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:22.30 | tabris|away | Faithful: I have a dual-proc quad-core (several of them in fact) at work. |
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| 15:22.36 | ajavid | marcompile, or irc.debian.org (same thing) |
| 15:22.40 | marcompile | ajavid: thanks |
| 15:23.03 | ajavid | yup |
| 15:23.04 | marcompile | but I think my question is not only for ARM |
| 15:23.14 | ajavid | I didn't mean to send you away |
| 15:23.19 | ajavid | I meant ask there as well, they are arm gurus |
| 15:23.26 | ajavid | by all means ask here too |
| 15:23.33 | marcompile | i just need to find a way to recompile everything (using debbuild, maybe) |
| 15:24.17 | vi390 | hi, after my last Dist Upgrade I have a problem with libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, logging into zones which are pwd protected now gives out server error and in the error log (Bad file descriptor: Could not open password file:) Is there anything known which has changed in mod-auth-mysql or somewhere else? Cant find anything on google about that... |
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| 15:25.24 | ehazlett | greetings all.... can anyone tell me what the initrd1.img and initrd2.img are on the live cd? -- when i extract them they have the same file structure -- are they for different architectures? |
| 15:25.37 | marcompile | the process would be the same on a x86 |
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| 15:26.33 | tabris|away | Faithful: at least on the intel xeon systems, 'physical id' is really 'socket id' |
| 15:26.41 | tabris|away | Faithful: so you should be able to use taht at least reasonably. |
| 15:26.56 | tabris|away | Faithful: i don't have any multi-socket amd motherboards at my disposal to look at. |
| 15:29.25 | Imran-UK | vi390, what did you upgrade from and to? |
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| 15:33.35 | vi390 | Imran-UK: Sarge to Lenny |
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| 15:34.30 | Imran-UK | vi390, ok. i'm using the same module in production. i think your problem is likely caused by the config syntax changing |
| 15:34.51 | Imran-UK | vi390, it was removed in etch and is now back in lenny under a new maintainer i think |
| 15:35.41 | Imran-UK | check the docs in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
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| 15:36.30 | abrotman | you can't go straight sarge to lenny |
| 15:37.25 | jpinx-eeepc | that's the second person I've seen trying to do that in the last day or 2 |
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| 15:38.26 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: and you'll see more... |
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| 15:39.08 | liable | aliceinwire: why? |
| 15:39.13 | liable | bleh |
| 15:39.19 | liable | abrotman: why? |
| 15:39.30 | aliceinwire | ?? |
| 15:39.32 | abrotman | because it doesn't work |
| 15:39.43 | liable | aliceinwire: sorry, wrong nick |
| 15:39.46 | abrotman | or rather .. it may fail horribly |
| 15:39.51 | abrotman | aliceinwire: bad timing on your part :) |
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| 15:39.59 | liable | may, sure |
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| 15:40.12 | abrotman | i wouldn't recommend anyone do it .. and i wouldn't do it myself |
| 15:40.12 | jpinx-eeepc | it seriously b0rked one guys system |
| 15:40.30 | jpinx-eeepc | he had to save the data and install fresh |
| 15:41.00 | nsadmin | which is why a separate /home is handy :)\ |
| 15:41.33 | Faithful | tabris|away, thanks.. |
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| 15:41.47 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: totally, but there are some apps the do stupid things like storing configs in /usr/lib |
| 15:41.49 | Emery | is Away (Reason:Auto IdleAway after 15 minute(s)) (Since:) (Pager:on) (Logger:on) - Invincible |
| 15:41.58 | ajavid | which ones? |
| 15:42.02 | Imran-UK | wishes he had a seperate /home IRL, somewhere in the maldives would be good |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | !tell Emery about away |
| 15:42.06 | Emery | if i get a black screen from xorg what would be the command to exit |
| 15:42.11 | ajavid | isn't that against package policy? |
| 15:42.19 | abrotman | what? |
| 15:42.30 | abrotman | ajavid: policy has changed in the last five years ... |
| 15:42.31 | ajavid | to store configs all over the file system in places not designated for configs |
| 15:42.52 | Faithful | tabris|away, ah... yes I can see it now in cpuinfo |
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| 15:43.17 | vi390 | Imran-UK: gonna have a look at it, thanks |
| 15:43.33 | Optic | hi, I'm using a debian box as a kiosk and I'm wondering what the "best" way is to start an X server and X application at boot? |
| 15:43.37 | Optic | debian 5.0... |
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| 15:43.47 | ajavid | Optic, xdm/gdm/kdm etc. |
| 15:44.01 | Optic | get xdm to start the application instead of the login window? |
| 15:44.03 | Optic | or use auto-login? |
| 15:44.04 | ajavid | Optic, or you can launch X in your own script and add it to runtime |
| 15:44.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Optic: iirc there's a special live cd for kiosks |
| 15:44.23 | ajavid | Optic, i think gdm features auto login |
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| 15:44.26 | Optic | right now I'm starting an X server using xinit from init.d, but it screws up the ps/2 keyboard |
| 15:44.38 | ajavid | jpinx-eeepc, might have a better solution |
| 15:44.39 | Faithful | tabris|away, very interesting... looks like it goes 01 23 45 67 |
| 15:44.40 | Optic | the keyboard goes dead when X starts |
| 15:44.53 | Optic | I think it does something to the console |
| 15:44.54 | Emery | i started xorg and it's given me a black screen, i don't know how to get out of it |
| 15:45.15 | Faithful | tabris|away, or raather 0145 2367 |
| 15:45.29 | brah | Emery... ALT+CTRL+F1? |
| 15:45.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Emery: go to another console and look at the logs |
| 15:45.43 | Emery | brah thanks |
| 15:46.14 | brah | CTRL+ALT+F7 and up are your X sessions, from F1 to F4 you have some ttys |
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| 15:46.55 | nsadmin | you should have also ttys on F5 and F6 |
| 15:47.14 | brah | Yeah, you do. |
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| 15:48.59 | brah | Emery, I don't know if you're aware, but your logs are on /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/gdm/:0.log |
| 15:49.23 | Optic | hmm |
| 15:49.41 | Emery | brah yeah =] |
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| 15:56.22 | gangsterlicious | a client of mine did "chown -R $USER /". now a lot of things broke. no backups. what's the good way of trying to reverse this effect? find -group root and pipe it to chown back to root? |
| 15:57.05 | Titan8990 | gangsterlicious, reinstall, restore from backup, or make a similar machine and go through everything |
| 15:57.17 | Titan8990 | gangsterlicious, thats about as bad as it gets without rm -rf / |
| 15:58.33 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, i solved it a while bacl for some packages by aptitude reinstall foo |
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| 15:59.02 | Titan8990 | yeah... you could try a bash for loop to reinstall all packages |
| 15:59.02 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, but thats no good for logs and etc and more |
| 15:59.18 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, wait ... |
| 15:59.29 | gangsterlicious | so just dpkg -l get the list of installed packages and for loop that for aptitude reinstall? |
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| 15:59.46 | gangsterlicious | perhaps i should take a backup of his VPS prior to doing this |
| 15:59.46 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, you nee do of ocurse the base do manually and that includes /var |
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| 16:00.05 | mogunus | Hello. Is there a xinerama-aware command line background setter in the repos? I am on lenny. |
| 16:00.06 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, that for sure |
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| 16:00.45 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, compare with a simular machine for user:group rights |
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| 16:01.20 | dutchfish | !tell gangsterlicious about clone |
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| 16:01.34 | gangsterlicious | hmmm, i'm trying to judge the time-versus-effort here. i do not want to spend too much time fixing this because he is on an unmanaged service i provide |
| 16:02.06 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, anyway it will take ALOT time, nomather what you do, unless you have a recent backup |
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| 16:03.45 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, maybe otherwise around will save time: cherry-pick the data and install form scratch |
| 16:03.52 | dutchfish | s/form/from |
| 16:04.56 | dutchfish | and last but not least, make damn sure you have a backup-plan rolling for the next likely event ;) |
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| 16:05.17 | gangsterlicious | i'm tempted just backing up his /var/www and mysql DBs. reinstall his VPS and dump everything back |
| 16:05.20 | nsadmin | gangsterlicious: time / effort is going to explode if you let time pass without doing anything :) |
| 16:05.41 | brah | No effort = dividing by zero |
| 16:05.44 | brah | :P |
| 16:05.46 | gangsterlicious | lol :) |
| 16:06.10 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, dont hurry with this, be smart and patient |
| 16:06.21 | nsadmin | brah: which would be an inde4terminate form, then you have to apply a limit process... etc blah... |
| 16:06.43 | nsadmin | backup his /home too |
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| 16:06.54 | brah | It would be infinite, meaning it would never get done. |
| 16:06.57 | dutchfish | nsadmin, gangsterlicious take a full backup ... |
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| 16:07.27 | dutchfish | !comfort gangsterlicious |
| 16:07.27 | dpkg | There, there, gangsterlicious. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:07.36 | nsadmin | it would be simpler than choosing specific things |
| 16:07.46 | kwork | !insult kwork |
| 16:07.48 | dpkg | You are nothing but a spur-galled half-mouthful of onion-eyed cat-hair-balls |
| 16:07.51 | dutchfish | nsadmin, bingo, and saves proly time |
| 16:07.54 | gangsterlicious | well, the dude have no backups. i'm just going to lvm snap his partition and reinstall the OS. do what dutchfish said, cheery-pick all the config & data files back |
| 16:07.56 | kwork | !uptime |
| 16:07.56 | daz` | WindowsXP Uptime: 4days 11hrs 37mins 41secs Best: 2wks 5days 22hrs 55mins 8secs |
| 16:07.56 | shadow` | WindowsVista Uptime: 2days 10hrs 46mins 31secs Best: 2wks 5days 13hrs 58mins 5secs |
| 16:08.01 | kwork | lol |
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| 16:08.06 | kwork | in debian channel |
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| 16:08.16 | dutchfish | gangsterlicious, and db dumps, make sure you have them all |
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| 16:08.24 | gangsterlicious | dutchfish: right. thanks. |
| 16:08.26 | brah | Those "best" uptimes are... disappointing |
| 16:08.51 | kwork | i got half year with my win2k years ago :) |
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| 16:08.57 | dutchfish | brah, yes my oldest only over 5 years up |
| 16:08.59 | kwork | thou the reboot was powerfailure |
| 16:09.00 | nsadmin | gangsterlicious, if he asked you to fix it, keep track of your time and consider billing him |
| 16:09.37 | ajavid | 5 years |
| 16:09.45 | ajavid | I'll be damned |
| 16:09.46 | dutchfish | nsadmin, i would |
| 16:09.57 | ajavid | good stuff |
| 16:10.08 | brah | There's this ancient unix server (hp proliant?) running at a local pharmacy. |
| 16:10.11 | brah | 14 years of uptime |
| 16:10.18 | ajavid | no way |
| 16:10.18 | dutchfish | ajavid, my nostgia box ;) |
| 16:10.26 | brah | Take that, MTBF |
| 16:10.27 | dutchfish | s/nostgia/nostalgia |
| 16:10.27 | ajavid | 14 |
| 16:10.32 | ajavid | naww |
| 16:10.53 | Zygo | brah: presumably that's cumulative years, not continuous ones ;) |
| 16:11.06 | brah | Continuous, surprisingly. |
| 16:11.09 | brah | There's no need to restart. |
| 16:11.12 | brah | No power failures. |
| 16:11.14 | dutchfish | brah, mine is an HP too, not to brag about it, but just a fact |
| 16:11.15 | brah | Ideal climatic conditions |
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| 16:11.33 | ajavid | wow |
| 16:11.52 | brah | The tape backup doesn't work anymore. |
| 16:11.54 | brah | It doesn't use ethernet. |
| 16:12.04 | brah | It uses some serial-over-parallel port stuff I don't understand |
| 16:12.13 | dutchfish | brah, but my novell 3.12 takes still the lead |
| 16:12.15 | kwork | 14 years and stil lin production ? |
| 16:12.19 | kwork | or running only because of uptime |
| 16:12.44 | brah | still in production, it only prints sales and stuff, for that particular store |
| 16:12.58 | brah | on epson lx300s |
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| 16:13.09 | kwork | hehe nice |
| 16:13.15 | kwork | my top is few years currently |
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| 16:13.26 | ajavid | moving on |
| 16:13.40 | kwork | moving home rather, night guys/girls |
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| 16:14.36 | iluminator101 | Whats a good autofill add on for firefox that you guys recommend? |
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| 16:15.07 | ajavid | I use lastpass |
| 16:15.15 | ajavid | iluminator101, lastpass |
| 16:15.24 | ajavid | password/form filler |
| 16:15.34 | iluminator101 | hmm... |
| 16:15.46 | ajavid | there are a couple others, like Sxipper |
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| 16:16.39 | ajavid | but it doesn't work too well, there is autofill, not too good, lastpass is the best so far. you signup, for free, and it saves your encrypted passwords on the server, and it can generate random ones and store it, so you don't have to worry about them, plus the form filler is very good |
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| 16:16.56 | ajavid | autofill however lets you manually specify the fields on a regex url and what to fill it with, all regex based, very powerful |
| 16:17.08 | iluminator101 | well i just want autofill part, not the password manager part |
| 16:17.09 | ajavid | iluminator101, irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 16:17.17 | ajavid | iluminator101, use autofill |
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| 16:20.08 | hellfire[bg] | hi there:-) |
| 16:20.18 | hellfire[bg] | is there anyone here using unstable? |
| 16:20.23 | iluminator101 | cool thanks |
| 16:20.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !ask |
| 16:20.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:20.37 | hellfire[bg] | i`d like to ask a few questions regarding multiarch which is now being introduced in unstable |
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| 16:21.17 | hellfire[bg] | so here is my question |
| 16:21.34 | hellfire[bg] | first i need 32 bit libraries for wine, skype and nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 16:21.47 | brah | !smart questions |
| 16:21.48 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 16:21.56 | brah | !errors |
| 16:21.57 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 16:22.06 | hellfire[bg] | until now the this was achieved by installing ia32-libs |
| 16:22.13 | brah | hai guise i need help it dosent work |
| 16:22.14 | hellfire[bg] | OK, but i have no errors:-) |
| 16:22.25 | hellfire[bg] | i just would like to ask if i`m understanding correctly |
| 16:22.29 | hellfire[bg] | i`m not even sure i have a problem |
| 16:22.53 | hellfire[bg] | however now i should install ia32-apt-get to get my 32 bit libraries which i did |
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| 16:23.24 | hellfire[bg] | during the installation of this packages it gave me a choise whether to install only the libraries or everything |
| 16:23.33 | unomystEz | the timezone on my server is Etc/UTC, and `date` reports GMT |
| 16:23.43 | dutchfish | !incoherent |
| 16:23.50 | unomystEz | where can I get a list of timezones I can replace it with? |
| 16:23.54 | unomystEz | looking for EDT/EST |
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| 16:24.11 | hellfire[bg] | installing only the libraries was the safe choise and it also warned me that if i selected everything it could damage my system by replacing core 64 bit packages with 32 bit ones |
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| 16:24.16 | rozie | unomystEz: use tzconfig |
| 16:24.18 | hellfire[bg] | so i selected install only libraries |
| 16:24.22 | unomystEz | ok |
| 16:24.24 | unomystEz | thanks |
| 16:24.25 | dutchfish | !tzdata |
| 16:24.36 | hellfire[bg] | after that i read the README.debian for ia32-apt-get |
| 16:24.53 | unomystEz | hmm |
| 16:25.10 | hellfire[bg] | from the readme i had the impression that i should use only apt-get to manage my packages - there was an example there with apt-get install skype |
| 16:25.14 | dutchfish | unomystEz, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:25.15 | hellfire[bg] | however this was not the case |
| 16:25.16 | unomystEz | I updated it |
| 16:25.18 | unomystEz | ah |
| 16:25.37 | unomystEz | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:25.55 | unomystEz | there we go |
| 16:25.56 | hellfire[bg] | for example apt-get install nvidia-glx returned unmet dependencies - it required several 32 bit libraries which i managed to install with ia32-apt-get |
| 16:25.56 | dutchfish | unomystEz, yes |
| 16:26.12 | hellfire[bg] | using this method i also installed ia32-wine and skype |
| 16:26.24 | hellfire[bg] | so for now everethyng seems to be working |
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| 16:27.07 | hellfire[bg] | however yesterday i did apt-get dist-upgrade and ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade - apt-get dist-upgrade upgraded several packages and ia32-apt-get dist-upgraded upgrades several packages |
| 16:27.29 | hellfire[bg] | the interesting thing was that the packages that ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade upgraded were not 32 bit |
| 16:27.44 | hellfire[bg] | they were 64 bit packages coming from the unstable-amd64 repository |
| 16:27.50 | hellfire[bg] | is this normal? |
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| 16:29.28 | hellfire[bg] | also am i correct to assume that i should manage my 64 bit packages with apt-get and my 32 bit packages with ia32-apt-get? |
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| 16:32.09 | maxy | I want to run a 2nd Xorg server for debugging. I can start it as root, but how do I allow a normal user to access it? Do I need to read through this complex xauth stuff, or any other suggestions? |
| 16:32.21 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], For that to work with dynamically linked binaries the required 32bit libraries need to be available as well, welcome to SID's dep hell |
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| 16:32.55 | gravity | maxy: How are you starting it? |
| 16:33.06 | maxy | X :1 |
| 16:33.39 | gravity | maxy: You can symlink /root/.Xauthority to ~/ and you should have access as a normal user, iirc |
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| 16:34.01 | hellfire[bg] | dutchfish, i don`t understand you, right now everything seems to be working fine - i wanted 32 bit libraries in the first place only to get wine, skype and nvidia-glx-ia32 working and they are working |
| 16:34.19 | hellfire[bg] | i am just not sure if i have done everything correctly |
| 16:34.38 | gravity | maxy: It's been a long time since I looked at that stuff though, so I could well be wrong |
| 16:34.43 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], trace your logs as a start i gues |
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| 16:35.12 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], and maybe you are better of with a 32 bit install in SID for those .... |
| 16:35.42 | hellfire[bg] | the only 32 bit packages which i have installed are libraries and they all have the prefix 32- at the beginning of the packages name - for example ia32-libqt4-core and packages like this install files only in /usr/lib32 |
| 16:35.48 | hellfire[bg] | so i have no problems with them |
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| 16:36.38 | hellfire[bg] | the strange thing is that ia32-apt-get installed several 64 bit packages as well - and i am pretty sure that they are indeed 64 bit because it downloaded them from the unstable-amd64 repository |
| 16:36.51 | hellfire[bg] | and now it is trying to upgrade them |
| 16:36.57 | maxy | gravity: okay, doesn't seem to be that easy, but thanks for the hint; I'll have read up xauth stuff then... |
| 16:36.57 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], i cant really help you with it, but if you determined enough, scavage the bug reports and use a debugger |
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| 16:37.19 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], but start with all th elogs |
| 16:37.43 | hellfire[bg] | dutchfish, i don`t have reports because i have no bugs and no error messages - everything seems to work fine |
| 16:37.45 | gravity | maxy: Sorry about that. |
| 16:38.57 | hellfire[bg] | the thing is that from the README.debian for ia32-apt-get i got the impression that i shouldn`t bother with ia32-apt-get at all and that apt-get should take care of the 32 bit dependencies for packages like nvidia-glx |
| 16:39.51 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], i meant x-check dependecies for both methods ia32-apt-get produced 64bit package installs |
| 16:39.51 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], and yes you can debug ia32-apt-get |
| 16:39.54 | hellfire[bg] | how can i do that? |
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| 16:40.30 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], now thats a real question, wich i can not solve because i dont use sid anymore |
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| 16:41.15 | hellfire[bg] | ok, thanks |
| 16:41.27 | Dunge | ERROR: Source object /home/nib/arm-unknown-linux-gnu/arm-unknown-linux-gnu/lib/libcrypt.so has EABI version 0, but target tmg-arm has EABI version 4 |
| 16:41.37 | Dunge | Anyone can explain? |
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| 16:42.49 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], if you collect enough info to pastebin, asking in a debian developers forum is my bets bet |
| 16:42.50 | Dunge | It's the libs provided by the cross-compiler, and the application built by the same cross-compiler, so why versions differs? |
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| 16:44.04 | hellfire[bg] | ok, i may do that |
| 16:44.08 | hellfire[bg] | thanks for the help |
| 16:44.12 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], showing logs is much better then explaining |
| 16:44.38 | dutchfish | hellfire[bg], good luck |
| 16:44.55 | perlmonkey2 | debian-topic directed me back here. Could someone give me the short and sweet about why someone would use ubuntu-server over debian? Debian has 2.6.26+, perl 5.10, ext4 support, and looks to have very very recent packages for everything someone would want in a server. |
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| 16:46.06 | Dunge | sigh.. nobody have idea how to compile eabi here neither? |
| 16:46.44 | perlmonkey2 | holy crap, debian comes with a recent apreq2. Debian, where have you been all my life. This could be true love! |
| 16:47.08 | hellfire[bg] | i am now looking at term.log which was in /var/log/apt |
| 16:47.13 | marcompile_ | Dunge: what do you need? |
| 16:47.40 | Dunge | marcompile_ : well... simply to cross-compile my application for armel/eabi |
| 16:47.46 | hellfire[bg] | however there is a lot of text there, it will taka e while |
| 16:47.52 | marcompile_ | did u compile the libs and the sw with the same cross compiler? |
| 16:48.19 | Dunge | no, libs are downloaded from aptitude and copied over |
| 16:48.55 | marcompile_ | dunge are you using amel? |
| 16:49.01 | marcompile_ | armel? |
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| 16:49.07 | Dunge | yes |
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| 16:49.32 | Dunge | I installed debian-lenny-eabi-armel to my device |
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| 16:49.58 | marcompile_ | Dunge: i don't cross compile. I got an armel running over NFS, and I do native compile |
| 16:50.00 | Dunge | used aptitude to get libs, copied on my PC, then took a cross-compiler from at the same place than the eabi-armel |
| 16:50.26 | Dunge | mhh |
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| 16:50.54 | Dunge | native compile would be very long on this device |
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| 16:52.32 | marcompile_ | Dunge: how did u get the cross tools? |
| 16:52.40 | marcompile_ | the cross toolchain |
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| 16:53.16 | Dunge | marcompile_ : from the technologic-systems FTP (my board), same place as where I got the lenny distrib |
| 16:53.45 | Dunge | debian-lenny-eabi-armel-512mb-apr092009.tar.gz and crosstool-linux-gnueabi-2005q3-2.tar.gz |
| 16:54.06 | marcompile_ | maybe you should ask on #debian-arm on OFTC |
| 16:54.22 | marcompile_ | they like the EABI so much |
| 16:54.27 | Dunge | OFTC? |
| 16:54.34 | marcompile_ | irc.debian.org |
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| 16:56.09 | perlmonkey2 | When a new version of Debian comes out, can current versions be updated or does it require a fresh install? |
| 16:57.00 | stew | perlmonkey2: you can always move from one release to another, there is always a documented "best practice" procedure for upgradeing to a new release in the release notes |
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| 16:57.05 | brah | It can be updated. However, things can go wrong, as always. Unless you're using stable, then it will most likely not fail. |
| 16:57.09 | perlmonkey2 | stew: thanks |
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| 16:57.23 | stew | !release notes |
| 16:57.23 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 16:57.40 | stew | perlmonkey2: see chapter 4 in the release notes for an example of such an upgrade procedure |
| 16:57.44 | stew | (above) |
| 16:57.49 | perlmonkey2 | stew: reading now, thanks |
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| 16:58.48 | Dunge | it won't let me connect to irc.debian.org ... probably the firewall here, always get (Connection reset by peer). |
| 16:59.04 | perlmonkey2 | oh, one more question on which build to download. If I have 64bit intel procs, I should grab IA64 instead of the AMD64 (which is the only 64 bit builds I've ever seen before). |
| 16:59.06 | Dunge | or [10053] Software caused connection abort in windows |
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| 17:00.09 | marcompile_ | Dunge: im using oxygen.oftc.net |
| 17:00.38 | marcompile_ | perlmonkey2: no. IA64 is not what you got |
| 17:00.40 | Dunge | Unable to resolve server |
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| 17:01.02 | marcompile_ | perlmonkey2: IA64 is called IItanium and it costs much more than a x86 with EM64T |
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| 17:02.02 | perlmonkey2 | marcompile_: ah, so my Q6600's and T8/900's should go with the amd64 build of debian? Which I would guess covers the EM64T? |
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| 17:03.06 | marcompile_ | perlmonkey2: yes. It is poorly named amd64, it should been called x86_64 |
| 17:03.40 | perlmonkey2 | marcompile_: okay thanks, x86_64 is what I'm familiar with. Yay, off to explore a new distro. |
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| 17:04.16 | Dunge | seems there's no way I can connect to oftc from here |
| 17:04.53 | marcompile_ | Dunge: strange, because you can connect to freenode, maybe you firewall is blocking OFTC? |
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| 17:05.11 | Dunge | freenode use port 8001 |
| 17:05.42 | Dunge | dunno why 6667 would be blocked and not 8001 but network admins here are not really good :) |
| 17:07.02 | JoshH | it's probably just to stop the tards only |
| 17:07.40 | Dunge | well,.. it stopped me :( |
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| 17:09.23 | Dunge | yeah freenode:6667 don't works.... and oftc don't have a 8001 port |
| 17:10.36 | marcompile_ | Dunge: if you can use ssl, they listen on ports 6697 and 9999 |
| 17:11.44 | marcompile_ | If you're unable to connect via the default ports please use one of the alternate ports: for normal unencrypted connections use ports 6668-6670 or port 7000, for SSL encrypted connections use port 9999. |
| 17:12.11 | Dunge | I don't see any ssl options neither in xchar nor mirc |
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| 17:13.09 | marcompile_ | i think mirc supports ssl |
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| 17:13.25 | clusty | hey |
| 17:13.27 | marcompile_ | but a long time ago (when it didnt support i used stunnel) |
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| 17:14.21 | perlmonkey2 | If the largest debian iso really only a few hundred megs? Or am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 17:14.32 | clusty | i was curious if I can ever hope to have an NFS server as fast as the gigabit ethernet |
| 17:14.41 | clusty | i mean for net to be the bottleneck |
| 17:15.25 | shl | looking through the HP.com site I get the feeling they no longer support debian the way they used to |
| 17:15.48 | shl | am I just looking in the wrong place, or did HP decide to steer customers more toward redhat/suse ? |
| 17:15.56 | exn | anybody uses mips version of debian with kernel from openwrt ? |
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| 17:17.14 | abrotman | Dunge: i believe OFTC has an alternate port .. and i think you can also use mibbit |
| 17:17.37 | clusty | shl, is there a big essential difference between all the distros when it comes to hardware support? |
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| 17:17.53 | Dunge | ssl actually worked (needed a plugin) |
| 17:18.02 | clusty | shl, besides some kernel patches it's same thing under the hood |
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| 17:18.28 | allure | does this makes sense to you? >> http://www.pastebin.org/5373 |
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| 17:19.12 | shl | on some HP DL machines they support monitoring fan speed, temperature and can notify of failures of redundant components |
| 17:19.12 | abrotman | allure: that's a URL |
| 17:19.19 | shl | on others they dont |
| 17:19.29 | allure | yeeeeah... i know... open it o_O |
| 17:19.55 | clusty | shl, was that a HP weird extension? |
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| 17:20.56 | allure | abrotman: I don't know if I'm getting it wrong, but it seems to me that when I ask only for the interface it gives me zero but when I ask for all interfaces it gives me the value it should.... even on the interface 2 |
| 17:21.18 | abrotman | allure: i won't be of any help |
| 17:21.42 | allure | k, thx anyway |
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| 17:22.33 | NexusDefault | Greetings everyone |
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| 17:23.05 | allure | hi NightHawk |
| 17:23.06 | allure | :) |
| 17:23.28 | NightHawk | im drawing a blank with adding users, it would be adduser -m right? |
| 17:23.37 | henkpoley | Say I see a package that hasn't been maintained for some time, and I would like to update it. Where do I start ? |
| 17:23.49 | allure | NightHawk: there is no need for -m |
| 17:23.57 | NightHawk | so just adduser user? |
| 17:24.03 | allure | yep =) |
| 17:24.14 | NightHawk | im use to gentoo and my hoster doesnt have gentoo so ya lol |
| 17:24.23 | allure | =) |
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| 17:25.11 | SirTopHat | is it true opening a certain cake.png crashes the system? |
| 17:25.14 | NightHawk | anyone done the torrentflux yet for debian? |
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| 17:26.41 | Dunge | Anyone can help me cross-compilling my application for eabi? More details there: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ts-7000/message/15441 |
| 17:27.09 | action09 | hi |
| 17:27.17 | henkpoley | SirTopHat: you can build a PNG that tells the system it is really big when expanded (large X,Y resolution) |
| 17:27.35 | henkpoley | SirTopHat: Some browsers then will ask the operating system for large amount memory |
| 17:27.48 | SirTopHat | I mean if you just try to send it over ftp |
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| 17:28.07 | henkpoley | SirTopHat: And Linux will then start to "OOM kill", sometimes killing something usefull which brings down the entier system |
| 17:28.39 | SirTopHat | hm |
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| 17:28.46 | henkpoley | SirTopHat: that's probably nonsense, unless the receiving system runs a search tool that indexes PNGs and extracts them |
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| 17:29.09 | SirTopHat | well actually, someone said it was just acessing the file in any way, such as renaming it |
| 17:29.10 | henkpoley | SirTopHat: that could trigger the same thing |
| 17:29.17 | NightHawk | user shawn doesnt have a home directory |
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| 17:29.22 | NightHawk | so -m is needed |
| 17:29.24 | sdx23 | hi, websvn depends on apache or httpd. if i apt-get install websvn apt would install apache2 although lighttpd is installed which provides httpd. so, where is the problem? |
| 17:29.31 | henkpoley | SirTopHat: nonsense |
| 17:29.38 | SirTopHat | I thought so |
| 17:29.46 | pngwn | NightHawk, not in debian |
| 17:30.10 | NightHawk | then how come when i did adduser shawn theres no home folder for him |
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| 17:30.40 | pngwn | NightHawk, ls /home doesn't show anything |
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| 17:30.51 | Wareya | How much RAM doesa debian usually need? |
| 17:30.56 | Wareya | -a |
| 17:31.06 | NightHawk | pngwn nope |
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| 17:31.49 | pngwn | NightHawk, are you running lenny? |
| 17:32.15 | NightHawk | hurricane:/home# uname -a |
| 17:32.15 | NightHawk | Linux hurricane.void11.net 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Jul 26 21:25:33 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:33.04 | Titan8990 | NightHawk, you were looking for: cat /etc/issue |
| 17:33.26 | Wareya | the cake.png is a lie |
| 17:33.32 | NightHawk | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 17:33.40 | henkpoley | I'd like to update a 'trivial' unmaintained package, anybody know where to start? In Gentoo terms I should just update a version number (download URL) and see if the patches still apply. |
| 17:33.48 | henkpoley | Anybody can help with that? |
| 17:33.50 | Titan8990 | NightHawk, lenny |
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| 17:35.21 | Dunge | cry |
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| 17:35.57 | valdyn | henkpoley: you would apt-get source <packagename> and replace the *.orig.tar.gz file with upstream |
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| 17:36.23 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 17:36.24 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 17:37.44 | Wareya | bleh |
| 17:37.54 | Wareya | My debian machine keeps crashing soon after it starts up |
| 17:38.07 | Dunge | We are shipping hundreds of board with etch/oabi/xorg and it takes a few minutes to load the application, and a few seconds on every button press... I want to switch to lenny/eabi/directfb as quick as possible to gain speed but nothing works like it should :( |
| 17:38.20 | SirTopHat | Wareya, any specifics? |
| 17:38.23 | Titan8990 | Wareya, if you were looking for help, "crash" is beyond vague |
| 17:38.23 | allure | Anyone knows a bit about snmp? The problem I'm dealing with is kinda strange... -> http://www.pastebin.org/5373 |
| 17:38.23 | SirTopHat | how does it crash? |
| 17:39.01 | MrAlligator | Wareya: cake.png is the problem. As root, run cat cake.png > /dev/sda && rm cake.png |
| 17:39.07 | Wareya | Start up, log in, stop all response and the internal speakers beep |
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| 17:39.16 | MrAlligator | sounds like your cpu is broken |
| 17:39.22 | Wareya | gee |
| 17:39.23 | Wareya | really? |
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| 17:39.26 | SirTopHat | MrAlligator, are you trollin'? |
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| 17:39.33 | valdyn | MrAlligator: what the fuck |
| 17:39.36 | Wareya | lol |
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| 17:39.47 | SirTopHat | he's that same guy who said the thing about the cake.png |
| 17:39.51 | Titan8990 | Wareya, go into single user mode and remove your graphical display manager from startup |
| 17:40.02 | Wareya | alright |
| 17:40.07 | Titan8990 | Wareya, that way you can view your xorg logs and etc to try and diagnose the problem |
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| 17:41.14 | Wareya | alright, how do I disable the graphical display manager? |
| 17:41.22 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 17:41.22 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 17:41.24 | Wareya | Yeah, new to linux |
| 17:41.25 | liable | why do the old mods all seem to have left. first time ive seen don for a while |
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| 17:41.58 | valdyn | Wareya: read what dpkg said, but don't use the update-rc.d method |
| 17:42.11 | NightHawk | theres no bitchx package? |
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| 17:42.17 | valdyn | !bitchx |
| 17:42.17 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
| 17:42.50 | NightHawk | o |
| 17:43.19 | Titan8990 | bitchx has been removed from most distros |
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| 17:43.33 | ZenWalker | irssi is better? |
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| 17:43.47 | abrotman | at least in that it hasn't been abandoned .. if not for technical reasons |
| 17:43.53 | liable | dondelelcaro: you seem to have left #debian for some time. the channel could do with your advice :) |
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| 17:44.23 | dondelelcaro | liable: hardly; I'm here reasonably frequently |
| 17:44.35 | Titan8990 | ZenWalker, most people like it better but if I recall correctly, bitchx had a nasty vulnerability and no one to fix it since it was no longer maintained |
| 17:44.43 | abrotman | liable: maybe you just sleep too much ? |
| 17:44.51 | Tapout | so my machine has been having issues; I reboot and it hangs for like 15-16 minutes.. and then it'll boot up with / as read-only. Drive passes tests, fsck passes, I just ran into this problem after having a stable lenny box for a long time... anyone heard/seen this before? |
| 17:45.07 | liable | must do i guess, i havent seen him for ages. |
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| 17:45.33 | Suppermann | Hello. I have just plugged in a second monitor to my computer and now I am trying to extend the desktop. However, when i try to extend it, it says "User set screen size larger than max screen size". What do I do? |
| 17:45.38 | Titan8990 | Tapout, are you using the stock kernel or a custom one? |
| 17:45.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Tapout: what did you do/install/upgrade ? |
| 17:45.52 | Titan8990 | !xrandr |
| 17:45.52 | dpkg | hmm... xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 17:46.26 | Tapout | Titan8990, I was using lenny's default kernel, and it forced that security update on me. I rebooted and keep messing up. So i finally waited until I got the read-only prompt, mounted rw, installed the lenny-backport kernel ... still hangs |
| 17:46.40 | hiwk | !bitchxignore |
| 17:46.40 | dpkg | hmm... bitchxignore is /ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS |
| 17:46.42 | Wareya | alright, disabled the dms |
| 17:46.53 | Tapout | jpinx-eeepc, the aptitude update/full-upgrade installed a new linux-image... the +17 revision.. I rebooted, now this state |
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| 17:47.10 | Titan8990 | Tapout, sounds like it failed to make the initrd properly |
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| 17:47.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Tapout: did you run the upgrade again? |
| 17:47.45 | Titan8990 | Tapout, i won't be much help to you since I typically don't use an initrd |
| 17:48.09 | Titan8990 | Tapout, but you could try to resintall the kernel ^ from a chroot of a livecd |
| 17:48.12 | Tapout | Last thing I see is; Driver 'sr' needs updating... please use bus_type methods\nsr0: scsi-1 drive, sd ... (4 lines) and then it hangs... |
| 17:48.16 | Suppermann | Titan8990: I have tried with grandr. Should I try with xrandr or is it basically the same? |
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| 17:48.30 | gravity | grandr is shit. don't use it if you don't need to |
| 17:48.31 | Tapout | jpinx-eeepc, only ran it once |
| 17:48.37 | Titan8990 | Suppermann, i think its the same |
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| 17:48.39 | Titan8990 | !grandr |
| 17:48.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Tapout: try again - it hasn't completed soemthing |
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| 17:48.57 | Titan8990 | Suppermann, yep, its the same |
| 17:48.59 | Titan8990 | !dualhead |
| 17:49.00 | dpkg | i heard dualhead is not a pr0n term, or see <xinerama> |
| 17:49.08 | Titan8990 | !xinerama |
| 17:49.08 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
| 17:49.15 | Titan8990 | ^ thats what i was really looking for |
| 17:49.27 | Tapout | jpinx-eeepc, i did install the backported kernel.. shouldn't that cover what would be missing? |
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| 17:50.28 | Tapout | oh wait, doing fsck |
| 17:50.36 | Tapout | it updated, it's not hung.. doing fsck.. |
| 17:50.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Tapout: not sure why your system upgraded your kernel - mine didn't |
| 17:51.06 | Tapout | jpinx-eeepc, lenny had a new linux-image here in the past day |
| 17:51.17 | Tapout | one box rebooted fine, this didn't :( .. i'm gonna retry once it gets done fsck |
| 17:51.30 | boonyo | any iptables gurus here? i've got a really simple and basic firewall setup, with one computer acting as a gateway for a desktop machine. would anyone care to take a look? |
| 17:51.49 | Titan8990 | boonyo, sure |
| 17:52.10 | boonyo | http://pastebin.com/d265f514 |
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| 17:52.41 | Sajam | why there's 5 DVD ISO at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-dvd which one shall i download |
| 17:53.07 | abrotman | !netinet |
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| 17:53.11 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 17:53.11 | boonyo | titan8990 what do you think? |
| 17:53.11 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 17:53.19 | liable | !lose abrotman |
| 17:53.19 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 17:53.43 | abrotman | cries |
| 17:53.51 | liable | aww |
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| 17:54.05 | quma | Sajam, the first is enough |
| 17:54.11 | Suppermann | is it enough to log out to restart Xorg? |
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| 17:54.24 | gravity | No |
| 17:54.34 | Suppermann | ok |
| 17:54.39 | Sajam | quma: why there's 5 numbered from 1 to 5? |
| 17:55.03 | Titan8990 | boonyo, you are just trying to use as a network gateway? |
| 17:55.07 | liable | i thought it did restart when you logged out? |
| 17:56.27 | quma | Sajam, that's the whole repository but you dont need it all |
| 17:56.33 | xshadowfire | liable: so like I gave up on trying to get debian installer and raid to work |
| 17:56.34 | xshadowfire | â(-｡ｰ;)â |
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| 17:56.48 | boonyo | titan8990 pretty much. there's no services on the firewall. I might have ntop runnig at a later stage, but for now thats basically it. i just want to secure the windows machine on the inside |
| 17:56.58 | liable | xshadowfire: did you get it to boot in the end though? |
| 17:57.02 | xshadowfire | nope |
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| 17:57.07 | liable | :( |
| 17:57.08 | xshadowfire | even with the lenny release |
| 17:57.17 | cypr1nus | hello, is there any guidebook how to write patches for software? including debian |
| 17:57.30 | gravity | cypr1nus: Do you know how to program? |
| 17:57.31 | Tapout | jpinx-eeepc, when I run update again, and then full-upgrade, if it doesn't find anything missing by itself, should I try and force it to reinstall the kernel and whatever else or what? |
| 17:57.35 | cypr1nus | i've seen some anoying bug and I want to fix it |
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| 17:57.51 | Titan8990 | boonyo, well, typically you would set your default output policy to accept but i guess you have to worry about conficker worms and crap |
| 17:58.22 | cypr1nus | gravity: yes, i'm quite good programmer but i've never programmed for linux distributions and I really like to do that |
| 17:58.28 | xshadowfire | liable: I can create a lvm from a recovery console pretty easily though...right? |
| 17:58.32 | boonyo | titan8990 that is my default policy though isnt it? |
| 17:58.45 | gravity | cypr1nus: You basically want diff -u and patch. Read both the diff and patch manpages and you should be set. |
| 17:58.56 | liable | xshadowfire: i dont really know much about lvm, unfortunately |
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| 17:59.04 | xshadowfire | curses |
| 17:59.11 | gravity | cypr1nus: If the program is stored in version control, it gets more complicated, but you can get everything done with just diff really. |
| 17:59.11 | valdyn | cypr1nus: any larger project will have project specific guidelines |
| 17:59.20 | Titan8990 | boonyo, sorry, i misread, looks fine then |
| 17:59.34 | Wareya | problem resolved |
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| 17:59.38 | valdyn | cypr1nus: and in any smaller you should ask the developers via their mailing list if it exists or directly via email |
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| 18:00.04 | boonyo | i run quite a lot of things on the windows machine however, torrents, online gaming etc.. i would like to tighten egress connections but i thinkthat might be too much effort |
| 18:00.06 | Titan8990 | boonyo, i would personally add an input rule to drop ICMP |
| 18:00.08 | cypr1nus | valdyn and gravity thanks for your help |
| 18:00.20 | boonyo | titan8990 why is that? |
| 18:00.41 | Titan8990 | boonyo, first things port scanners try to do is ping the target |
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| 18:00.58 | Titan8990 | boonyo, then commonly it scans with syn packets |
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| 18:01.07 | valdyn | i *hate* people who drop icmp |
| 18:01.11 | valdyn | its useless |
| 18:01.16 | valdyn | and annoying |
| 18:01.46 | boonyo | i'm not really bothered by portscans to be honest. i'm not running any services on the firewall that are visible from the outside |
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| 18:03.02 | valdyn | unfortunately some isps end user devices just drop icmp by default |
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| 18:03.27 | boonyo | valdyn does my firewall ruleset look "secure" to you? |
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| 18:03.42 | valdyn | boonyo: where is it? |
| 18:03.56 | boonyo | http://pastebin.com/d265f514 |
| 18:04.39 | b7j0c | hi all, a question. i am on debian sid, on a late-model mac pro (desktop). periodically i will see a dmesg error regarding irq 20/uhci_hcd. at that point the mouse and keyboard become intolerably slow in response. has anyone experienced something similar? i can't think of a specific thing that causes this random issue |
| 18:05.03 | boonyo | that should be ppp0 in the first forward rule btw |
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| 18:06.55 | valdyn | boonyo: as secure as not dropping |
| 18:06.59 | Sajam | quma: Thanks for the info, |
| 18:07.13 | valdyn | boonyo: or as secure as it gets with masquerading |
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| 18:07.58 | boonyo | cool. i wanted it to be as simple as possible, but i though it might look a little too simple. that machine is just acting as a gateway/firewall for a couple other machines |
| 18:08.31 | valdyn | iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT should even be redundant |
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| 18:08.51 | valdyn | since output already defaults to ACCEPT |
| 18:08.51 | boonyo | does it fail to open does it? |
| 18:08.59 | boonyo | ah |
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| 18:09.30 | valdyn | i would leave it there though |
| 18:09.38 | valdyn | might fix your own fuckups when experimenting |
| 18:09.44 | quma | Sajam, you're welcome |
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| 18:10.19 | boonyo | i concerned about trojans etc coming/going in from the windows machine, though i suspect there's nothing i can really do about that other than safe browsing aye? |
| 18:10.36 | valdyn | boonyo: a windows personal firewall |
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| 18:10.47 | valdyn | boonyo: are you even running windows? |
| 18:10.50 | Titan8990 | boonyo, that would be a question for #windows, but safe browsing > all |
| 18:11.11 | boonyo | yeah i'm running windows. i used to use tpf but thats been discontinued for years |
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| 18:11.58 | boonyo | so that would work alright you reckon, a firewall running on the windows machine and a firewall/gatewar? |
| 18:12.42 | valdyn | boonyo: your router setup is not securing anything |
| 18:12.51 | Titan8990 | really, and IDS might suit better for making sure you don't have malware "phoning home" |
| 18:13.02 | Titan8990 | valdyn, NAT does secure things.... |
| 18:13.18 | valdyn | Titan8990: he doesnt have a choice but to use NAT |
| 18:13.33 | yang | I would like to resolve the dependancy issue with sun-java (or purge it) - http://pastebin.ca/1512516 |
| 18:13.38 | valdyn | Titan8990: im talking about the rest of his setup |
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| 18:14.09 | valdyn | boonyo: the real danger you are exposed to is data you actively download |
| 18:14.16 | b7j0c | anyone see my question about the usb driver? its okay to just say "we saw it but we are ignoring you" |
| 18:14.37 | Titan8990 | we saw it but have no idea |
| 18:15.14 | boonyo | valdyn: yeah, i figured i could use a windows firewall but then i'd have to be sure that even that isn't circumvented. so wouldn't it all boil down to a content filter/proxy? |
| 18:15.18 | b7j0c | ok thanks titan |
| 18:15.44 | valdyn | boonyo: windows firewalls are content filters |
| 18:16.32 | valdyn | boonyo: windows firewalls control what you chose to *run*. a proxy on a different host cannot do that |
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| 18:17.42 | boonyo | i guess then its just a matter of finding a good (free) windows firewall and monitoring outgoing connections then |
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| 18:18.19 | valdyn | and having a fast enough computer that will work nicely even though your bloated personal firewall tries to grind it to a halt |
| 18:18.40 | boonyo | heh, i know that feeling. thats the reason i liked tpf so much |
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| 18:20.12 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:20.31 | Tapout | what controls the timer for the screen saver on the console? if you're idle X amount of minutes, screen goes blank... |
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| 18:22.38 | dutchfish | Tapout, under kde you can find it under Display - system settings - Power control |
| 18:23.12 | joh | Hi, I'm trying to get apt to work through a proxy, but without success. I added the following to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@server:3128"; but running apt-get update yields: 407 Proxy Authentication Required [IP: 10.94.0.31 3128] |
| 18:23.15 | Tapout | i don't have kde :( |
| 18:23.21 | Tapout | it's just the regular console |
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| 18:23.40 | dutchfish | Tapout, ah ok |
| 18:24.38 | quma | !xscreensaver |
| 18:24.38 | dpkg | i heard xscreensaver is at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ |
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| 18:25.35 | Tapout | maybe i should clarify. If I hookup a monitor to my box, i can see the text for X amount of minutes. After i'm idle, it goes blank.. monitor is left on... screen is blank. I hit the enter key, I can see the text again. I want to disable this or modify the timer at least |
| 18:25.39 | dutchfish | Tapout, setterm -blank 0 will dsiable it |
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| 18:26.17 | Tapout | dutchfish, thank you :) |
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| 18:26.27 | dutchfish | Tapout, yw |
| 18:26.46 | dutchfish | Tapout, there is more to it (man setterm) |
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| 18:33.54 | Tapout | I found out why my box wouldn't come up... data=writeback in the fstab. Seems that between revision 15-17 ya'll made the change... buddy said in this post : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529629 ... that it takes affect in 2.6.29 .. ah well, figured it out.. thanks all |
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| 18:38.23 | spOO` | as soon as i load brctl to try to bridge my two ethernet connections, my linux box started acting like it is my router and them my other computer/my desktop box didn't have correct routes why is my linux box interfering and taking over the routes of my desktop to my router? i don't undrestand how it even has that power |
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| 18:40.38 | poisonbit | what i need to see an ogv in lenny ? |
| 18:40.56 | abrotman | theora ? |
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| 18:41.29 | Tapout | debian people, /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64# zcat changelog.Debian.gz |less ... Nothing mentioned about the data=writeback in /etc/fstab NO LONGer being supported... Buddy said it should happen between 2.6.29 to 2.6.30 but i'm here to tell ya.. 2.6.22-2+17 = fail. :) |
| 18:41.35 | Tapout | thanks yall for your help |
| 18:41.36 | v4nelle | guys if i want to mixing testing and unstable which pin-priority levels are the best to have? |
| 18:41.39 | Tapout | just letting ya know... |
| 18:41.41 | Tapout | also: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529629 |
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| 18:42.21 | roschi | hello |
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| 18:42.38 | poisonbit | thanks abrotman it works (libtheora0) |
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| 18:43.01 | abrotman | Tapout: that's the debian changelog .. not the kernel changeloog |
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| 18:47.20 | Evet | Debian minimal or Debian LAMP, which one is best for a server? |
| 18:47.36 | abrotman | what is Debian LAMP? |
| 18:47.46 | maligor | Debian debian |
| 18:48.05 | stew | Evet: there are not separate "minimal" or "LAMP" versions of debian |
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| 18:48.37 | maligor | if you used Hurd, you could have HAMP |
| 18:48.37 | adama_ | just install debian, then add what you need |
| 18:48.42 | Evet | stew, my hosting provider askin me |
| 18:48.46 | Evet | minimal or LAMP |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | would get a new provider |
| 18:49.04 | stew | Evet: i'd guess that they are asking if you want them to preinstall some debian pacakges for you |
| 18:49.07 | stew | nah |
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| 18:49.21 | stew | Evet: are you going to run apache / php / mysql? |
| 18:49.38 | stew | Evet: (note that if you get a minimal version, all this stuff can be installed by you easily after the fact) |
| 18:50.07 | Evet | stew, i think i need. |
| 18:50.14 | Evet | but i can install easily |
| 18:50.25 | Evet | is LAMP better than installing manually? |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | Evet: just get the minimal and do it yourself later |
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| 18:50.46 | abrotman | especially since you don't know what "LAMP" entails for their setups |
| 18:51.01 | stew | Evet: "lamp" probably just means they are running "tasksel install web-server" or "aptitude install msyql-server libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql" for you |
| 18:51.17 | stew | Evet: (which is all you'd have to do to get a 'LAMP' server) |
| 18:51.26 | stew | that is such a crap term |
| 18:51.32 | stew | makes it sound like it is more than it is |
| 18:51.47 | Evet | hmm |
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| 18:52.43 | stew | well, web-server task doesn't get you mysql, i suppose, so the aptitude command is the one |
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| 18:55.04 | Evet | im going to choose minimal (which is not include LAMP) |
| 18:55.09 | gumbox | my openoffice icons are ugly and grey... what's that variable i need to export so that programs use gtk icons and style? |
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| 18:56.19 | poisonbit | gumbox, i don't know if there is a variable, but there is a package for gtk integration, and also for gnome |
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| 18:56.35 | gumbox | i know.. but the package doesn't work |
| 18:56.48 | gumbox | i'm using openbox, btw |
| 18:57.02 | gumbox | i've done it before... it's one thin you have to export.. i just can't find it |
| 18:57.08 | gumbox | thing* |
| 18:57.40 | poisonbit | export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome |
| 18:57.45 | gumbox | exactly!! |
| 18:57.54 | poisonbit | i didn't know, but google knows all :) |
| 18:57.54 | gumbox | lemme try |
| 18:58.06 | gumbox | i know.. i found it just now as you sent it |
| 18:58.07 | mjt | it wont improve icons.. |
| 18:58.25 | mjt | and i guess it already knows/recognizes gnome |
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| 18:58.46 | gumbox | it works! thanks |
| 18:58.51 | mjt | hmm? |
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| 18:59.11 | poisonbit | for the icons, there is openoffice.org-style-* packages |
| 18:59.13 | mjt | gumbox: is it standard oo package(s)? |
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| 18:59.33 | gumbox | the packages from the debian repos, yes |
| 18:59.45 | gumbox | the openoffice.org-gtk doesn't work for me |
| 19:00.27 | gumbox | it probably works.. but i still have to export that variable |
| 19:00.40 | gumbox | if it didn't work i guess no even that would help |
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| 19:06.01 | spOO` | as soon as i load brctl to try to bridge my two ethernet connections, my linux box started acting like it is my router and them my other computer/my desktop box didn't have correct routes why is my linux box interfering and taking over the routes of my desktop to my router? i don't undrestand how it even has that power |
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| 19:08.58 | Janni | Hi. |
| 19:10.04 | ewet | hi, if I want to create a user solely for the purpose of running rtorrent as a "daemon" `adduser --no-create-home --disabled-password rtuser` would be okay? I'm especially concerned about --disabled-password |
| 19:10.20 | ewet | but I would never need to login would I? |
| 19:10.50 | Janni | I got a problem... It occurred since I tried "suspend to disk" (for the first time). Since then the contents of the harddisk are f***ed up, quite randomly I guess. Seems that the data in my home directory are alright, but the package database files aren't. |
| 19:10.53 | valdyn | ewet: why didnt you already try it? |
| 19:11.11 | Janni | So I can't run aptitude etc. at the moment. Is there a way to rebuild the package database? |
| 19:11.28 | valdyn | !listkeys rebuild |
| 19:11.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rebuild' by key (3): _default rebuild from debian source ;; rebuild from debian source ;; #debian rebuild from debian source. |
| 19:11.38 | stew | ewet: --disabled-passowrd wouldn't stop you from su from root or using sudo. if you use --disabled-password and want to later have it not disabled, you can always 'passwd username' as root |
| 19:12.03 | stew | Janni: what error do you get running aptitude? |
| 19:12.17 | Janni | cd |
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| 19:12.28 | Janni | stew: one moment please |
| 19:12.35 | ewet | stew, doh... yeah of course. Thanks ;) |
| 19:12.50 | Janni | stew: Some of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list files are corrupt. |
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| 19:13.36 | stew | Janni: those could be fixed with "aptitude reinstall packagename" |
| 19:13.40 | stew | (once aptitude works) |
| 19:13.54 | Janni | stew: Alright, but aptitude doesn't work because of this. |
| 19:14.14 | stew | Janni: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:14.28 | Janni | OK. |
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| 19:17.06 | bloom | can anybody help: Grub-pc from unstable updated yesterday is refusing to boot. After I choose a kernel and hit enter, it gives me the error message "unaligned pointer 0xe2b4" and then my laptop's bios moves on to PXE boot |
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| 19:19.22 | Janni | stew: Problem is. I can't paste from that computer the problem occurs on. So I'll describe it like this: The problem occurs for "aptitude full-upgrade/install/remove/...". The error message is "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'gimp' is missing final newline" |
| 19:20.13 | Janni | If I have a look at the file, I see that at a certain point the data is some random binary stuff. |
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| 19:22.36 | NightHawk | ow do i restart the box via ssh? |
| 19:22.40 | NightHawk | how* |
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| 19:24.02 | tuantub | NightHawk: #shutdown -r now |
| 19:24.52 | Dunge | Sorry for semi-on-topic question. I'm trying to call configure for cross-compiling a library, I can use --host for specifying the cross-compiler, and --prefix for the output path, but how do I set the lib/include path? |
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| 19:27.02 | logan2 | hello, why my xorg.conf is empty file in lenny? |
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| 19:29.47 | natschil | how can I reconfigure all network interfaces just like it does on a new installation of debian? |
| 19:29.59 | mjt | !tell logan2 -about xorg config |
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| 19:31.00 | abrotman | logan2: it's supposed to be |
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| 19:32.08 | mjt | natschil: but why? |
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| 19:32.20 | ranix | hey all, I'm trying to follow !fixmbr and failing |
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| 19:32.30 | mjt | !fixmbr |
| 19:32.30 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
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| 19:32.31 | ranix | in the lenny install CD I am doing "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sda1 /target" and getting "no such file or directory" |
| 19:32.31 | abrotman | because it's a windows program ? |
| 19:32.57 | karo1 | witam wszystkich; hi all |
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| 19:33.04 | mjt | ohh... ;) that's long list of things to do ;) |
| 19:33.13 | ranix | ;) but I'm failing at the first step |
| 19:33.24 | karo1 | anybody here familiar with get on tracks? |
| 19:33.32 | ranix | mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target fails with no such file or directory |
| 19:33.37 | ranix | don't know what its problem is |
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| 19:33.54 | ranix | I just need to install grub to this disk, I can get where I'm going from there. The method doesn't matter |
| 19:33.54 | mjt | ranix: so which does not exist? /dev/sda1 or /target? |
| 19:34.03 | ranix | mjt: they both exist as far as I can tell |
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| 19:34.10 | macrobat | where can i get info about the groups in /etc/group? |
| 19:34.14 | ranix | mjt: ls /dev/sda* shows sda1, ls / shows target also |
| 19:34.21 | abrotman | macrobat: such as ? |
| 19:34.39 | macrobat | all of them |
| 19:34.59 | natschil | mjt: The harddrives were switched to another motherboard |
| 19:35.03 | macrobat | and there is no wheel or powerdev group like i expected |
| 19:35.22 | ranix | I have a USB enclosure on a working Debian system down the way I can use to plug this drive into if that helps |
| 19:35.25 | abrotman | macrobat: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 19:35.27 | mjt | ranix: the only thing i can think of is that you mistyped either one or the other. If they really exists |
| 19:35.31 | macrobat | ty |
| 19:35.34 | mjt | natschil: it does not really matter |
| 19:35.37 | ranix | I used tab completion here mjt |
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| 19:36.00 | mjt | ranix: do you have strace installed at your disposal? |
| 19:36.15 | ranix | no, this is the install CD I'm booted into |
| 19:36.32 | ranix | I'm this close to dd'ing the whole first disk to the second |
| 19:36.40 | karo1 | i'll ask again: anybody here tried running ruby on rails app called tracks? or maybe any other ror app on debian |
| 19:36.46 | mjt | and what you'll get from such dd'ing ? |
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| 19:37.32 | ranix | ls |
| 19:37.33 | ranix | ehr |
| 19:37.35 | ranix | scuse me |
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| 19:37.41 | ranix | I have no idea |
| 19:38.05 | careta | anyone knows if the december testing freeze was coordinated with ubuntu? |
| 19:38.07 | ranix | I've never installed grub without the Debian installer |
| 19:38.22 | mjt | ranix: it's not grub question yet |
| 19:38.31 | ranix | mjt: how do I install grub |
| 19:38.34 | mjt | ranix: it's a question of mounting your partition |
| 19:39.01 | patrikf | careta: looks like testing won't freeze this september, according to the latest d-d-a |
| 19:39.09 | patrikf | *december |
| 19:40.36 | careta | maybe they will wait till april for ubuntu? |
| 19:40.38 | ranix | mjt: ah, I got it |
| 19:40.49 | ranix | you must walk through the actual installer until it detects hardwrae |
| 19:40.56 | ranix | only then can you actually use mount |
| 19:41.05 | abrotman | careta: why would they wait til april to coordinate a freeze? |
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| 19:41.51 | careta | abrotman, because ubuntu is out every april and october |
| 19:42.00 | abrotman | careta: freeze != release |
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| 19:42.24 | macrobat | what would be the point of such a coordination? |
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| 19:42.50 | careta | but a time based release is out of the picture, and there have been talks of ubuntu cooperation. So I assumed that they would coordinate the freeze |
| 19:43.04 | abrotman | careta: so why would they wait til april to freeze together? |
| 19:43.47 | careta | i don't know |
| 19:44.02 | abrotman | you asked why they aren't .. i asked you why they would want to |
| 19:44.52 | careta | abrotman, do you know anything about this cooperation? |
| 19:45.05 | abrotman | careta: i've read about it .. but your question doesn't make sense |
| 19:45.20 | abrotman | careta: you're asking why they wouldn't freeze in april .. so that ubuntu can freeze in april .. |
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| 19:45.27 | abrotman | ermm. .. ubuntu can release in april |
| 19:46.00 | careta | i was mixing freezing and releasing on the ubuntu side |
| 19:46.21 | abrotman | do you think ubuntu just releases without testing ? |
| 19:46.41 | careta | no, of course not. But i don't know what's their freeze - release time difference |
| 19:46.55 | abrotman | neither do i .. but i'd guess it's longer than two weeks |
| 19:47.06 | gravity | careta: The release team didn't want to freeze during the summer because that's when debconf happens, which is usually a productive time for new changes |
| 19:47.16 | gravity | (Northern Hemisphere summer) |
| 19:47.28 | abrotman | likely excuse! |
| 19:48.02 | abrotman | gravity: so why not freeze in september? or august? |
| 19:48.22 | gravity | abrotman: Good question. I think they wanted to coordinate with Ubuntu's LTS release. |
| 19:48.24 | abrotman | seems like if you freeze just a few months before debconf, it'd be less productive .. |
| 19:48.33 | abrotman | gravity: so your first excuse was hogwash!!!!!!!! |
| 19:48.38 | gravity | Um...? |
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| 19:48.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:49.04 | abrotman | gravity: december is 6-7 months before debconf usually .. how long was the lenny freeze? |
| 19:49.14 | abrotman | nine months? |
| 19:49.32 | abrotman | (though i didn't see anyone mention which type of freeze this would be) |
| 19:49.56 | gravity | Yeah, there's not a lot of clarity about the whole proposal, particularly why we'd want to sync up with the Ubuntu LTS at all |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | unless ubuntu plans to stop producing a base and instead become more like Helix used to be |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | makes up things as he goes along |
| 19:51.07 | stew | !helixsmite abrotman |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | smites abrotman with a truckload of transparent latex thongs |
| 19:51.15 | abrotman | wrong helix! |
| 19:51.23 | stew | wfm |
| 19:51.37 | abrotman | !bikesmite stew |
| 19:51.40 | abrotman | pbbbt |
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| 19:58.33 | knightvn | Hi, I use a packet generator to make a 3 way hand shake |
| 19:58.36 | knightvn | I sent SYN using packet generator, and remote server replies SYN/ACK, => then my kernel autommatically replies with a RST to remote server |
| 19:58.36 | knightvn | How can I prevent my kernel from sending RST when it receives SYN/ACK packet? |
| 19:59.19 | iddo | anyone got ssh-agent to work at login without gnome? |
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| 20:00.15 | Titan8990 | iddo, at login can only be controlled by your desktop env, if you want at boot, use an init script |
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| 20:01.33 | iddo | Titan8990: i'm using xmonad with xsession script, it worked in the past, but so far i fail with latest gnome keyring |
| 20:01.35 | themill | iddo: works for me with KDE. Is that what you mean? |
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| 20:01.57 | NantoRokuseiken | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.11 | Titan8990 | iddo, gnome has its own session manager that will run applications upon login |
| 20:02.26 | Titan8990 | iddo, although i don't see why you wouldn't just use an init script for something like that |
| 20:02.50 | iddo | yes gnome does something like: ssh-agent gnome-session |
| 20:02.53 | iddo | and it works |
| 20:03.08 | Titan8990 | iddo, and the problem? |
| 20:03.18 | iddo | but it doesnt work for me with: ssh-agent xmonad |
| 20:03.54 | iddo | actually gnome does: ssh-agent dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session |
| 20:04.15 | iddo | and that also doesnt work if i replace gnome-session with xmonad |
| 20:04.46 | iddo | to be clear, the gnome keyring does work (e.g. wireless password gets unlocked correctly), just ssh doesnt work |
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| 20:05.02 | Titan8990 | iddo, why not do it the right way? http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ |
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| 20:05.18 | Titan8990 | iddo, e.g. - an init script |
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| 20:05.49 | iddo | Titan8990: i wouldnt want to type two passwords at login |
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| 20:06.24 | Titan8990 | iddo, init scripts don't run with user level privs |
| 20:06.30 | tnks | for applications that use sensitive information in their command-lines without a sane configuartion option. |
| 20:06.34 | Titan8990 | iddo, so there is no additional need to type in your password |
| 20:06.43 | tnks | is there a way to hide the command-line invocation at all? |
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| 20:07.10 | Titan8990 | tnks, you mean stdio/stdin? |
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| 20:07.26 | Titan8990 | tnks, or the point when its launched? |
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| 20:07.40 | tnks | Titan8990: when it's launched. |
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| 20:07.55 | tnks | it's launched with a "--sensitive information" switch. |
| 20:08.01 | Titan8990 | iddo, an example is: do you need to type your password when HAL starts via the init script? |
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| 20:09.08 | Titan8990 | tnks, good question, wouldn't know |
| 20:09.41 | themill | tnks: fix the application is the only real approach. What is it btw? |
| 20:10.19 | tnks | themill: homebrew/in-house PITAs. |
| 20:10.32 | tnks | themill: that was my suspicion. |
| 20:10.45 | themill | oh... but at least with homebrew you have the source and the ability to monkey+fix |
| 20:10.45 | Titan8990 | tnks, yeah, its really hard to work around poor design |
| 20:10.55 | tnks | Titan8990: it's our code, we can fix it. |
| 20:11.03 | tnks | by ours, I mean "someone before us" |
| 20:11.13 | tnks | just seeing if there was a short-term work-around. |
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| 20:11.57 | iddo | Titan8990: i read some of your link, not sure i understand all, but i think i will have to type password to unlock keyphrase for ssh-agent after i login, and another problem is that sometimes i want to login into gnome and this method will collide with what gnome keyring does |
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| 20:14.15 | GodfatherofEire | Can anybody recommend some good security auditing and/or system testing tools? |
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| 20:15.09 | iddo | i notice that when gnome-session runs "ssh-agent gnome-session", there's only one ssh-agent process, and when i run "ssh-agent xmonad" there are two ssh-agent processes |
| 20:16.07 | abrotman | !harden |
| 20:16.08 | dpkg | somebody said harden was D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/, or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
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| 20:16.36 | GodfatherofEire | how about system testing? |
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| 20:17.50 | abrotman | testing for what? |
| 20:18.14 | GodfatherofEire | like, RAM, CPU, Video, etc testing |
| 20:18.24 | GodfatherofEire | To make sure all the internals still work properly |
| 20:18.27 | abrotman | yes .. testing for what ? |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | memtest? |
| 20:19.04 | abrotman | the only utilities i know that do that are usually in the BIOS on servers |
| 20:19.05 | GodfatherofEire | thats one, but Im looking for other, similar tools |
| 20:19.33 | k0mpulsive | i'm going to setup a server(mainly fileserver) soon and can't really decide how i want to run it. some people are recommending i go straight with debian and some are recommending freeNAS. any ideas? |
| 20:19.54 | macrobat | GodfatherofEire: some benchmarks: www.phoronix.com/ |
| 20:20.13 | amphi | mprime in torture mode will stress-test cpu & fpu and ram pretty well, I think |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | cpuburn! |
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| 20:20.44 | amphi | povray! ;) |
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| 20:24.27 | Shazzamy | goddamn spammers |
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| 20:26.35 | GodfatherofEire | indeed |
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| 20:27.15 | GodfatherofEire | you guys should try what #ubuntu is tryin for that |
| 20:27.33 | GodfatherofEire | Redirect to another channel if they're not registered |
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| 20:29.29 | k0mpulsive | yup |
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| 20:31.43 | racecar56 | was there an overflow here shortly? |
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| 20:32.37 | racecar56 | anyway how can i make X start up when my system starts up |
| 20:33.00 | racecar56 | does anyone see me message? |
| 20:34.09 | stew | racecar56: yeah. you can install a display manager, such as gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 20:34.19 | stew | oops |
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| 20:34.50 | racecar56 | !test |
| 20:34.51 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 20:35.41 | daniellockard | lol |
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| 20:41.21 | macrobat | can i use debtorrent for other repos than the usual one? like debian-multimedia? |
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| 20:51.06 | dareth | what would cause Apache2 to show some files in a directory listing, but no others? |
| 20:51.20 | dareth | besides permisions. |
| 20:51.39 | bpun | dareth, directives |
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| 20:52.04 | Titan8990 | dareth, presence of a default page |
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| 20:52.18 | dareth | it shows a file directory, and some files list, just not all of them. |
| 20:52.20 | nestea | okay, what plugins do you use to get lighttpd to work nicely with php? |
| 20:52.25 | nestea | mod_php or something? |
| 20:52.39 | bpun | dareth, hidden files by default won't show with the index option |
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| 20:53.24 | dareth | not hidden, . files. |
| 20:53.28 | dareth | just some plain text files |
| 20:53.38 | dareth | shows zip files, but not .tgz files |
| 20:53.41 | bpun | dareth, dot files are also known as hidden files |
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| 20:54.24 | bpun | dareth, you're looking at the wrong directory |
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| 20:55.11 | dareth | right directory. |
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| 20:55.15 | dareth | can zip files, then they display. |
| 20:55.17 | dareth | but not otherwise. |
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| 20:55.26 | dareth | am thinking some odd mime/fancy indexing thing |
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| 21:00.37 | icedwater | Hello :) It's me again, asking about nvidia stuff. I'm trying Warcraft 3 on wine, and the background doesn't render. Anyone experienced this problem before, and know what I could do to fix it? |
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| 21:00.53 | bpun | icedwater, #wine |
| 21:01.15 | bpun | icedwater, don't use /amsg |
| 21:01.30 | bpun | icedwater, it only annoys people |
| 21:01.53 | icedwater | I know, bpun. I asked here because I thought there might be a special solution using module-assistant or something to note about a backported Debian kernel. |
| 21:02.18 | bpun | icedwater, um.. #wine |
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| 21:02.22 | icedwater | bpun: I don't use /amsg, maybe irssi is doing that for me? I just type my message and press enter. |
| 21:02.44 | icedwater | Incidentally, what is /amsg? |
| 21:02.56 | bpun | icedwater, it means #wine |
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| 21:03.47 | stew | icedwater: if you are intending to ask about how to install nvidia drivers under debian, this is, indeed, the right place |
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| 21:04.14 | icedwater | Well, it's a related question, I guess I didn't fine-tune it for #debian. |
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| 21:04.43 | stew | icedwater: if you question is specificly about wine, then you want #winehq |
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| 21:04.57 | icedwater | I've been googling around and I saw this post which referred to wine being slow, and I noticed that the advice included nvidia-glx-ia32 as well as nvidia-glx in the list of packages to install. |
| 21:04.59 | Selveste1 | Not really sure where to ask this, when I try to populate my LDAP with smbldap-populate I get an error "failed to add entry: attribute 'sambaNextRid' not allowed at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate" I have checked OpenLDAP and i have the SAMBA.schema, and sambaNextRid is a valid attribute - way this error then ? But it seams to be an "Debian like" issue sins Ubuntu also have reports of this |
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| 21:05.31 | icedwater | I read the package info for nvidia-glx-ia32 and it seems to be an XFree86 driver, would it really help to install that? |
| 21:05.49 | icedwater | And if so, how do I build it for the 2.6.30-bpo.1 kernel? |
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| 21:05.58 | icedwater | It's not in module-assistant, it seems. |
| 21:06.03 | icedwater | There ... better? |
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| 21:07.05 | bpun | icedwater, .30 eh? |
| 21:07.05 | icedwater | Not being facetious, just clarifying. :P |
| 21:07.10 | icedwater | Yup |
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| 21:08.17 | bpun | wonders if backports are to be avoided for newbies |
| 21:08.55 | icedwater | I also have half a mind to compile the source from the Wine's sourceforge page ... but I think that would be redundant and might break stuff. |
| 21:09.23 | icedwater | ( ... of course, I should probably uninstall wine first. ) |
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| 21:09.26 | bpun | icedwater, i can't help. I'm avoiding backports |
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| 21:09.59 | icedwater | Well, perhaps someone else here might be able to. Until then, I can wait. Thanks, though, bpun. |
| 21:10.19 | dareth | odd. |
| 21:10.42 | dareth | issue with partial indexing due to using a symbolic link to make the folder available to the web root/url. |
| 21:10.54 | dareth | copy files to an actual folder, get different results.. |
| 21:10.58 | dareth | any reason behind this. |
| 21:11.07 | dareth | I can see the link not working, but sort of working seems odd. |
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| 21:17.11 | mjt | dareth: apache can be told to detect and disallow some symlinks in some dirs |
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| 21:19.15 | dareth | it find the symlink |
| 21:19.24 | dareth | it shows some of the files. but not all of them. |
| 21:19.32 | dareth | I copied the files to a real directory.. |
| 21:19.46 | dareth | it would show the files as they copied, but the same ones wouldn't list afterwards. |
| 21:20.14 | dareth | just wondering why I see listings of some files but not all files.. perms are the same. |
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| 21:23.31 | sigmonsays | What do I have to do besides edit /etc/network/interfaces to get a network setup? |
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| 21:25.08 | bpun | sigmonsays, ifdown -a, ifup -a |
| 21:25.21 | dareth | watch for the hot-plug on the eth<num> in that network file |
| 21:25.31 | bpun | sigmonsays, then check the routing table-- route -n, ping your gateway as a test |
| 21:25.32 | dareth | you can do /etc/int.d/networking restart |
| 21:25.36 | peter_12 | I have /usr/local/bin ahead of /usr/binl in my path but I'm having some strange binary resolution http://pastie.org/565873 |
| 21:25.45 | peter_12 | anyone see why this is happening? |
| 21:25.48 | sigmonsays | Wierd. I can't get it working |
| 21:25.49 | bpun | sigmonsays, then ping an internet dns name |
| 21:26.05 | dareth | need dns name server too |
| 21:26.21 | peter_12 | make that /usr/bin (not /usr/binl) |
| 21:26.22 | perlmonkey2 | Anyone know of a Fedora package that will do the same as the debian 'mbr' package? I'm trying to install from my flash drive and the docs say if it fails to use install-mbr, but fedora doesn't have that package. |
| 21:26.35 | sigmonsays | well eth0 isn't getting any IP address. This is a base system from debootstrap |
| 21:28.27 | dareth | what does your interfaces file look like? |
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| 21:30.12 | sigmonsays | http://nopaste.org/p/afHP1owhg da |
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| 21:30.16 | kraut | moin |
| 21:30.20 | sigmonsays | dareth, * |
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| 21:30.42 | kraut | blöde frage: grub bei debian 5.0 per default: muss man ESC drücken um in die auswahl zu kommen oder wird immer die auswahl angezeigt und kann dann auswählen? |
| 21:30.44 | sigmonsays | is there a package I need to install? |
| 21:30.46 | kraut | muss gerade blind arbeiten |
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| 21:31.09 | kraut | ELANG |
| 21:31.41 | dareth | simonsays |
| 21:31.44 | kraut | silly question: do i need to hit ESC on grub to get the list of available kernels or is normally comming up the overview and the kerne lwill be loaded after a timeout? |
| 21:31.46 | nick_h | any idea why "sudo usermod -a -G src nickh" would fail with "usermod: nickh not found in /etc/passwd", despite "getent passwd nickh" succeeding? |
| 21:31.51 | dareth | try this line before the iface line: auto eth0 |
| 21:32.03 | dareth | then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:32.10 | dareth | then ifconfig to check nic. |
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| 21:32.13 | kraut | (debian 5.0) |
| 21:32.43 | nick_h | n/m |
| 21:33.17 | sigmonsays | dareth, ah that was it |
| 21:33.20 | sigmonsays | Thanks |
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| 21:34.05 | dareth | np |
| 21:34.08 | dareth | do that all the time with my VM |
| 21:34.21 | dareth | the damn hotplug default drops your net when you restart |
| 21:34.40 | sigmonsays | thankfully i got console so I can do whatever I want ;) |
| 21:34.55 | Evet | Why Microsoft Windows isn't free of charge? |
| 21:35.06 | dareth | sigmonsays are you trying to make me say backdoors are nice? |
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| 21:35.18 | dareth | because Bill's wife is like most women and spends everything he brings home? |
| 21:35.21 | sigmonsays | dareth, redundancy is nice :) |
| 21:35.53 | dareth | wonder how much Melinda would have to spend to get Bill to even notice? |
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| 21:41.47 | xxiao | is debian/arm strictly little-endian-only? |
| 21:42.19 | xxiao | armel is added to lenny, arm is deprecated, do we have armeb or plan to have it? |
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| 21:57.30 | iveqy | hi, I'm running debian lenny and have some problems with my wireless mouse. Google gives me nothing =( |
| 21:57.54 | iveqy | the mouse is a ms-764G from deltaco and dmesg gives me http://pastebin.se/198612 |
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| 22:01.54 | macrobat | can you name a (small) pkg that is in debian-multimedia that is not in vanilla debian? |
| 22:02.21 | Zharf | I don't suppose acroread is small |
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| 22:02.35 | careta | iveqy, what kind of problems? |
| 22:03.20 | iveqy | careta: when I move or click with the mouse, nothing happens on my screen (eg. the mouse pointer wont move and the clicks have no effect) |
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| 22:03.34 | macrobat | ill try acroread :) |
| 22:04.44 | careta | iveqy, strange.. it should work nicely. do you have some sort of wireless switch turned off by chance? does it work in windows or another system? |
| 22:05.17 | macrobat | ok. i have no access to debian-multimedia repo, ty |
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| 22:06.13 | iveqy | careta: it works nicely under windows. The mouse comes with a usb-dongle. I haven't turned off anything, except the computers build-in bluetooth |
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| 22:08.13 | careta | iveqy, sorry there might not be a driver for that... |
| 22:08.18 | Tapout | how do you probe/detect which data=writeback/ordered/journal that is running? |
| 22:08.19 | careta | but i'm not sure if it needs a driver though |
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| 22:10.13 | iveqy | careta: too bad, It should exists a standard driver I though. Well then I need to write my own I guess |
| 22:10.45 | careta | well if you have the skills, go for it |
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| 22:18.16 | Pnux | !tell Pnux about alsa-checklist |
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| 22:18.40 | stew | !tell Pnux about selftell |
| 22:18.50 | sanmarcos | i've installed xfce4 on Lenny, how can I make it start on boot? |
| 22:19.14 | Pnux | stew: i never remember the name of the bot |
| 22:19.28 | stew | Pnux: it's dpkg :) |
| 22:19.29 | Ezep | dpkg, it's not too hard |
| 22:19.30 | dpkg | Ezep: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:19.31 | Ezep | :) |
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| 22:20.09 | Pnux | perhaps if i knew what it stands for |
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| 22:20.52 | Ezep | !tell Pnux about dpkg |
| 22:21.18 | sanmarcos | how can I search by tag? |
| 22:21.36 | Pnux | i know what it is, but not what it stands for.. besides, i never used i |
| 22:21.37 | Pnux | t |
| 22:21.47 | themill | /topic tells you too, of course |
| 22:21.50 | Ezep | You should ;) |
| 22:22.29 | Pnux | themill: good point, i didnt notice |
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| 22:22.58 | Pnux | Ezep: seems like im going to have to, for some reason kmix starts with master volume muted |
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| 22:23.38 | Ezep | Pnux: dpkg is for debian packages, no programs :) |
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| 22:24.05 | Ezep | And sorry, I don't use kmix, BTW I think it's a 'problem' with alsa |
| 22:24.20 | Ezep | (kmix uses alsamixer) |
| 22:25.24 | Pnux | ive seen people running dpkg-reconfigure <soft_name> |
| 22:25.43 | Pnux | so thought something like that would help |
| 22:25.57 | Ezep | No this time |
| 22:26.15 | Pnux | i see |
| 22:26.22 | Ezep | Maybe man alsamixer would help |
| 22:26.26 | Ezep | Find the conf files |
| 22:26.28 | Pnux | ill try that |
| 22:26.32 | Ezep | And modify them |
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| 22:29.32 | Pnux | "BUGS Some terminal emulators (e.g. nxterm) may not work quite right with ncurses, but thatâs their own damn fault. Plain old xterm seems to be fine." <= lawl |
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| 22:32.16 | sanmarcos | how do I reocnfigure my display manager? |
| 22:32.42 | bpun | sanmarcos, gdmsetup (or gdm-setup)-- if its not in the menu, enable the debian subment |
| 22:32.54 | thrashold | Pnux, which manual page is that? |
| 22:33.05 | Pnux | thrashold: alsamixer's |
| 22:33.13 | buntfalke | sanmarcos: in case you use gdm, that is... |
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| 22:33.32 | sanmarcos | no |
| 22:33.58 | buntfalke | Using gpsd, I added the line needed for my reciever to /etc/udev/rules... and it is being hotplugged now, though gpsd fails to open the device ttyACM0 for reading due to a lack of priviledges. |
| 22:34.20 | buntfalke | it has dropped privs to "nobody:root" already, and ACM is "root:dailout" |
| 22:34.22 | buntfalke | how to fix that? |
| 22:34.26 | bpun | sanmarcos, u can drag the gnome control center (its somewhere under the debian submenu-- u'd have to checkmark the box under editing the menu appearance) |
| 22:34.27 | buntfalke | _properly_ |
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| 22:34.34 | sanmarcos | bpun: i dont use gnome sorry |
| 22:34.42 | bpun | sanmarcos, well that's the default.. |
| 22:34.56 | bpun | sanmarcos, i'm guessing you were asking about default settings |
| 22:35.30 | buntfalke | sanmarcos: Which display manager do you use? |
| 22:35.35 | bpun | thinks if people aren't using default settings, they should indicate whare they're using |
| 22:35.46 | buntfalke | agrees |
| 22:35.55 | Pnux | agrees as well |
| 22:36.06 | buntfalke | [x] Consensus reached |
| 22:36.10 | buntfalke | :-) |
| 22:36.15 | blueshoes | Go obama! |
| 22:36.18 | blueshoes | uh :> |
| 22:36.22 | Pnux | pukes |
| 22:36.25 | sanmarcos | did it with changing /etc/x11/default-display-manager |
| 22:36.43 | sanmarcos | you would think that debian had some update-alternatives crap or something |
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| 22:37.02 | bpun | sanmarcos, login manager or your desktop manager? |
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| 22:39.03 | bpun | assumes sanmarcos is talking about his login manager |
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| 22:40.28 | Titan8990 | does the debian installer not allow you to delete physical volumes? |
| 22:40.48 | bpun | Titan8990, don't invent terminology! |
| 22:40.55 | bpun | Titan8990, volumes are logical devices ;) |
| 22:41.10 | bpun | Titan8990, lvm is suppose is configurable with the debian setup |
| 22:41.38 | Titan8990 | bpun, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/pv.html |
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| 22:41.47 | Titan8990 | i didn't invent terminology |
| 22:42.09 | bpun | Titan8990, in lvm parlance.. |
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| 22:42.26 | Titan8990 | bpun, i seem to be able to do everything with lvms except delete the physical volumes |
| 22:42.35 | bpun | Titan8990, pv, y, the commands.. if you're not specific, please do speak generic :) |
| 22:43.14 | Titan8990 | bpun, but generic is correct, because it is both the not-real physical volume and the actual partition |
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| 22:43.19 | Titan8990 | bpun, i can't delete either |
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| 22:43.47 | bpun | Titan8990, the installer textual gui doesn't allow lvm changes? |
| 22:44.31 | Titan8990 | bpun, i can make change to volume groups and logical volumes just not to physical volumes.... it didn't have a problem creating the physical volumes though |
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| 22:44.49 | bpun | Titan8990, so delete the lvm partition.. |
| 22:44.59 | bpun | Titan8990, then recreate the lvm partition |
| 22:45.07 | Titan8990 | it won't let me |
| 22:45.11 | Titan8990 | says that its "in use" |
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| 22:45.19 | bpun | Titan8990, try to use cfdisk |
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| 22:45.25 | Evet | Wht do you thing about syscp? I'm planning to sale hosting. |
| 22:45.28 | bpun | Titan8990, (delete the correct lvm partition) |
| 22:46.35 | Titan8990 | bpun, alright, i just used fdisk from the busybox shell |
| 22:46.40 | Titan8990 | bpun, rebooting to see how it went |
| 22:46.58 | Titan8990 | bpun, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 22:47.34 | exobyte | Is there a way to get the number of bytes written to a named pipe? |
| 22:47.46 | bpun | Titan8990, the thing is - you can resize lv stuff -- so deleting the partition was probably not necessary- but a lazy man's fix of things :) |
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| 22:49.03 | Titan8990 | bpun, i just wanted to see how guided did things, but i didn't want / on a lvm so i needed to redo the whole table |
| 22:49.18 | Titan8990 | bpun, i prefer not use initrd |
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| 22:51.43 | bpun | Titan8990, i believe if you chose manual partition, you could of been able to delete that lvm partition |
| 22:52.06 | Titan8990 | bpun, i had already got back into manual |
| 22:52.11 | bpun | Titan8990, then u can 'go back' (in debian installer), and choose guided |
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| 22:53.54 | gngkai | hi |
| 22:53.58 | gngkai | just to know |
| 22:54.22 | gngkai | using a dual processor increase disk throughput? |
| 22:54.31 | valdyn | gngkai: no |
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| 22:55.21 | gngkai | valdyn: I'm doing some benchmarks on two machines |
| 22:55.55 | gngkai | they are xen quad-core, one box has dual processor, other has one processor |
| 22:56.05 | gngkai | both are using cciss controller |
| 22:56.39 | gngkai | using iozone I'm getting 14343.27 KB/sec on write on single xeon |
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| 22:56.57 | gngkai | against 54131.01 KB/sec on dual xeon! |
| 22:57.33 | gngkai | same controller, RAID5, same disks |
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| 22:57.51 | bpun | gngkai, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access |
| 22:58.04 | Titan8990 | gngkai, if its a soft or fake raid the CPU has to do most of the processing of the RAID |
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| 22:58.19 | valdyn | Titan8990: ummm |
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| 22:58.33 | valdyn | gngkai: theres more factors than just that |
| 22:58.37 | gngkai | it's definitely real hardware raid |
| 22:58.52 | gngkai | readahead value does not matter |
| 22:59.13 | Titan8990 | valdyn, yep? |
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| 22:59.30 | gngkai | dual had 8192 against 256 on single, but bumping to 8192 did not improve performance |
| 22:59.41 | gngkai | the main difference is kernel version |
| 22:59.49 | valdyn | Titan8990: thats totally irrelevant in his benchmarks results |
| 23:00.22 | gngkai | dual: 2.6.24 |
| 23:00.24 | Titan8990 | valdyn, i was just throwing ideas out there on how a CPU could effect write speed |
| 23:00.25 | gngkai | single 2.6.26 |
| 23:00.33 | valdyn | Titan8990: alright, it just wont |
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| 23:00.51 | gngkai | other main difference is that on both I'm running drbd |
| 23:01.01 | bpun | Titan8990, you can always see if you're using the latest intel microcode.. also there's something about an i/o accel with intel-- i dont know if there's any linux module for xeon in this field.. |
| 23:01.05 | valdyn | gngkai: question is what *else* is different that is tripling speed on one box |
| 23:01.17 | valdyn | gngkai: its surely not the added cpu core |
| 23:01.19 | gngkai | but on dual is drbd 8.2 and on single is 8.0 |
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| 23:02.12 | bpun | gngkai, from that wikipage, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:I/OAT |
| 23:02.26 | Titan8990 | bpun, i guess you find intel microcode version from the bios? |
| 23:02.47 | Titan8990 | is installing debian on his first REAL server now... dual xeon/scsi :) |
| 23:02.48 | bpun | Titan8990, no, it's already bundled in a debian package.. see if u've installed it.. |
| 23:02.57 | valdyn | Titan8990: intel microcode is loaded by the OS, not the bios |
| 23:03.02 | bpun | Titan8990, but the microcode comes from intel |
| 23:03.38 | bpun | Titan8990, it's onfly processor patch.. (like a firmware patch, but is lost when you shut down the power.. that's why it would get loaded up everytime on bootup) |
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| 23:04.28 | Titan8990 | bpun, valdyn, according the package description it can be done via bios update as well |
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| 23:04.37 | Titan8990 | bpun, valdyn, thanks for the info |
| 23:04.38 | valdyn | Titan8990: true |
| 23:04.58 | valdyn | Titan8990: but even if the bios does it, debian will do it anyway |
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| 23:09.35 | gngkai | valdyn: the difference is huge |
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| 23:10.36 | bpun | gngkai, did u look at that module page? |
| 23:10.58 | bpun | gngkai, well it's more like a patch.. |
| 23:10.58 | gngkai | bpun: I/OAT ? |
| 23:11.00 | bpun | gngkai, y |
| 23:11.08 | bpun | gngkai, i'm just guessing it's very experimental.. |
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| 23:12.00 | gngkai | bpun: I presume RAM amount has an impact on disk throughput, right? |
| 23:13.08 | bpun | gngkai, gosh.. just read that wikipedia page? |
| 23:13.24 | gngkai | the DMA? |
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| 23:15.20 | bpun | gngkai, the kernel people in that channel would know.. unfortunately you're talking hardcore ;) |
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| 23:16.09 | gngkai | bpun: lol, are you referring to readahead value> |
| 23:16.31 | valdyn | gngkai: talking about disk thruput when the cpu is the bottleneck doesnt exactly make sense |
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| 23:24.39 | Pnux | i seem to be having a problem with alsamixer on Squeeze, every time i reboot, the master volume is set to 0, does anybody have any idea what the problem is? or what to do to figure out was wrong |
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| 23:24.55 | Pnux | s/was/whats |
| 23:26.02 | TylerM | hi.. quick question for 64bit users.. any of you have ia32-libs package installed? |
| 23:26.03 | ser | how can i trace which process is currently writing on a disk? or log it into a file? |
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| 23:26.32 | dirkson | Hey all! xorg.config is empty, and I need to configure my touchpad. Where do I do that now? |
| 23:26.37 | ser | TylerM: why not? if they are needed? |
| 23:27.08 | TylerM | hi ser: I'm pretty new to apt packages, but getting an error trying to install them. |
| 23:27.12 | ser | dirkson: try X -configure > xorg.conf? |
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| 23:27.12 | TylerM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.18 | TylerM | not sure where this leaves me :S |
| 23:27.21 | sanmarcos | how can I make all autoremove of packages {A} to be purged instead of deleted? |
| 23:27.37 | sanmarcos | or how can I make purge the default for all uninstalls? |
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| 23:27.54 | ser | sunoano: there should be switch in apt.conf |
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| 23:28.02 | dirkson | ser: With X down, I assume? |
| 23:28.06 | ser | dirkson: yes |
| 23:28.18 | dirkson | ser: Damn. That's annoying |
| 23:28.22 | ser | dirkson: you cannot have it up without a config :) |
| 23:28.35 | dirkson | ser: I, in fact, do, and it's working beautifully |
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| 23:28.51 | ser | dirkson: are you sure? |
| 23:28.53 | dirkson | ser: As should be evidenced by the fact that we're chatting ^^ |
| 23:29.13 | ser | dirkson: it is not an evidence i am chatting without X |
| 23:29.13 | TylerM | Any 64bit users happen to have skype running? |
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| 23:29.29 | ser | TylerM: yes i think it should work afaik |
| 23:29.29 | dirkson | ser: Well, I use pidgin. X is up. |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you type 'purge' instead of 'remove' ... not that hard |
| 23:29.48 | dirkson | ser: And working very nicely, outside of one issue with the mousepad. |
| 23:29.50 | TylerM | thx ser |
| 23:29.52 | ser | dirkson: so find your config :) |
| 23:30.06 | dirkson | ser: Where did the debian peoples put it?! :D |
| 23:30.16 | dirkson | ser: This is exactly the info I need to find : ) |
| 23:30.23 | gngkai | valdyn, bpun: it seems big difference is on only on write, while read is equal |
| 23:30.43 | ser | probably /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? :) |
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| 23:30.52 | sanmarcos | abrotman: but I want it default |
| 23:31.02 | abrotman | then type it |
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| 23:31.10 | dirkson | ser: That's where it normally is, yes. That file is 100% empty |
| 23:31.17 | sanmarcos | abrotman: ah nevermind, there is a purge command |
| 23:31.26 | abrotman | yes .. duh? |
| 23:31.36 | gngkai | and then I was sure ram was the same on both, but I was wrong. on dual is twice than single |
| 23:31.37 | ser | dirkson: mine is not empty |
| 23:31.56 | TylerM | i also have various firefox plugins i can't load without get these 32bit libs going |
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| 23:32.00 | dirkson | ser: That's very nice for you : ) |
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| 23:32.14 | ser | dirkson: :-) |
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| 23:32.21 | dirkson | ser: You aren't trying to config your mousepad, though! |
| 23:32.32 | sanmarcos | why are init.d scripts not standarized, ones print output, others dont, etc etc, it sucks |
| 23:32.49 | ser | dirkson: no, but do X -configure and add a mousepad |
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| 23:33.51 | dirkson | ser: And this won't fuck up the rest of my perfectly functioning X? |
| 23:34.09 | dirkson | ser: (I hate to touch anything but the mouse config. Everything else is so /nice/.) |
| 23:35.03 | riomare1 | lol |
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| 23:35.48 | riomare1 | which cfg is for adjusting the mouse senstitivy? |
| 23:36.16 | riomare1 | cause i put the scroller on the lowest position possible but it's still too fast |
| 23:36.37 | bpun | riomare1, probably mouse accel.. for mouse sensivity (you may) need to add a setting to xorg.conf |
| 23:36.42 | Lish | which rc lvl are the deamon for mouse? |
| 23:36.44 | pingouin | is there an xorg.conf somewhere ? after an installation of debian lenny amd64, and the xorg package, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf not there ?! |
| 23:37.06 | bpun | riomare1, u can check the mouse dpi.. and see if its max setting is being used |
| 23:37.12 | dirkson | pingouin: I want to know too : ) |
| 23:37.24 | pingouin | oh |
| 23:37.32 | riomare1 | bpun: oh it probably is yes |
| 23:37.37 | pingouin | seem to be a bug dirkson |
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| 23:37.43 | riomare1 | bpun: hmm no drivers for razer mouses? |
| 23:37.55 | dirkson | pingouin: Bug? My X works perfectly. |
| 23:38.18 | dirkson | pingouin: Beyond the default behavior of my touchpad, which I'd like to change now |
| 23:38.29 | bpun | riomare1, where are u making the mouse settings? |
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| 23:38.55 | riomare1 | bpun: in system preferencs... mouse settings or something |
| 23:39.09 | bpun | riomare1, are u using gnome desktop? |
| 23:39.21 | riomare1 | bpun: yes |
| 23:39.30 | pingouin | dirkson: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535624 |
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| 23:39.40 | bpun | riomare1, and accel is much lowered? |
| 23:39.48 | pingouin | not having an xorg.conf is a bug |
| 23:40.00 | bpun | pingouin, no |
| 23:40.00 | riomare1 | bpun: yep i lowered that too but it seems like nothing changed |
| 23:40.07 | pingouin | aaah it a feature |
| 23:40.43 | bpun | pingouin, X -configure can make you a template |
| 23:41.00 | bpun | pingouin, but i think u need to shutdown gdm first (which would cut ur current X display) |
| 23:41.13 | bpun | (cut as in the sense, it'll log off any X session right now-- obviously) |
| 23:41.34 | Pnux | i seem to be having a problem with alsamixer on Squeeze, every time i reboot, the master volume is set to 0, does anybody have any idea what the problem is? or what to do to figure out whats wrong |
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| 23:41.47 | pingouin | bpun: i dont run gdm |
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| 23:42.06 | pingouin | bpun: or xdm , i just startx with .xsession |
| 23:42.12 | bpun | pingouin, why do you need an xorg.conf file? |
| 23:42.36 | pingouin | bpun: to set up the keyboard/screen resolution |
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| 23:43.03 | themill | keyboard layout can be done by dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:43.17 | pingouin | bpun: i have an azerty keyboad, wich is in qwerty when i startx :/ and to set up the resolution of screen wich is too high |
| 23:43.56 | pingouin | themill: keyboard work well in console, azerty, switch only in qwerty when i startx |
| 23:44.21 | themill | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:44.59 | bpun | !keymap |
| 23:44.59 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 23:45.33 | themill | bpun: err... that has nothing to do with it |
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| 23:46.39 | bpun | y.. themill i think it's a little offtrack.. |
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| 23:46.56 | bpun | azerty -- that's used in just france i guess hahaha |
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| 23:47.19 | bpun | so make the xorg.conf with X -configure, then edit/add entry for keyboard type.. |
| 23:47.55 | jpinx-eeepc | bpun: also in Cot d'Ivorie, Cameroon and lots of other french-speaking countries |
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| 23:48.23 | jpinx-eeepc | who knows - maybe even in Quebec :p |
| 23:48.25 | k0mpulsive | morocco |
| 23:48.27 | bpun | y, i had a family member travel to paris.. gosh, she couldn't type anything hahaha... people were looking at her like she was new to computers.. |
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| 23:48.39 | bpun | here in quebec, no.. |
| 23:48.50 | jpinx-eeepc | k0mpulsive: all the keyboards I used in Morocco were arabic |
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| 23:49.09 | bpun | here, we use very much qwerty.,, some french people use the qwerty-canadian keyboard.. |
| 23:49.11 | pingouin | azerty is more used than you think bpun ;) |
| 23:49.12 | k0mpulsive | jpinx; most that i used were too, but there are a few out there ;-p |
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| 23:49.28 | bpun | pingouin, i'm sure dvorak is more popular :) |
| 23:49.34 | k0mpulsive | probably. |
| 23:49.42 | pingouin | yeah sure |
| 23:49.49 | bpun | the musician of course.. |
| 23:49.53 | bpun | i'm sick of keyboard talk |
| 23:50.06 | jpinx-eeepc | pukes all overf bpun |
| 23:50.06 | pingouin | sstfu |
| 23:50.17 | Pnux | bpun: ok, wanna do alsamixer talk? |
| 23:50.56 | bpun | just help him with his keyboard :).. colisse! |
| 23:51.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !alsa-checklist |
| 23:51.15 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 23:52.12 | pingouin | after an dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, the xorg.conf suppose to be in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 23:52.52 | Pnux | jpinx-eeepc: i can play stuff, the master volume is set to 0 every time i reboot, thats all |
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| 23:53.10 | rrva | Hi! I have a amd64 box and a i686 box which I want to use distcc to make-kpkg a new kernel. How to make sure the i686 generates x86_64 code (ie cross-compile) ? |
| 23:53.43 | rrva | I have tried: CC="gcc -m64" AS="as --64" make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --cross-compile - --arch=amd64 --initrd --revision=dejsi.3.0 kernel_image |
| 23:54.13 | nsadmin | there's a command line interface to the alsa mixer |
| 23:54.52 | nsadmin | you could write a script that sets your volumes, or that saves your entire mixer state probably |
| 23:54.58 | keith4_ | why oh why was it decided to have the default behavior of lenny be to install recommend packages?! |
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| 23:54.59 | Janni | Hi. |
| 23:55.42 | themill | keith4_: because recommended packages are "recommended". It's expected that they are installed for correct operation in most normal installations |
| 23:56.07 | bpun | notices pingouin keeps talking like a broken record.. bpun said X -configure like three times.. |
| 23:56.25 | keith4_ | themill, that's a very broad generalization |
| 23:56.25 | bpun | xorg.conf-something_new gets made in current dir |
| 23:56.34 | themill | bpun: except you just want to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set the kb |
| 23:56.38 | Janni | Is there an efficient way to install debian? I'd like to put a minimal (or at least small) installation on a hard disk using my regular computer, then put the disk into another computer... is this possible? |
| 23:56.51 | keith4_ | sure |
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| 23:56.59 | Janni | I mean without booting and running this whole setup thing from CD... |
| 23:57.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Janni: you'd be better with a live CD maybe |
| 23:57.05 | bpun | themill, well if that does the job.. then good :) |
| 23:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Pnux: dunno why it loses it's settign on re-boot |
| 23:57.29 | Janni | jpinx-eeepc: That just what I'm talking about. No live CD.... |
| 23:57.47 | Janni | keith4_: Do you have information on that? |
| 23:57.52 | nsadmin | keith4_: yes, it is a generalization... but maybe it was intended for that generalization to apply (otherwise, why bother having a "recommended" in the first place?) |
| 23:57.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Janni: as long as the hardware is not too different |
| 23:58.01 | themill | keith4_: no it's not. It's defined in debian policy. That is *precisely* the definition of Recommended packages and that's why they are supposed to be installed |
| 23:58.03 | Pnux | jpinx-eeepc: maybe it was saved with 0 as volume, for some reason |
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| 23:58.40 | nsadmin | themill but there's a difference between recommended and depend |
| 23:58.59 | jpinx-eeepc | keith4_: read the docs before you start into that ;) |
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| 23:59.26 | gngkai | bpun: Children see throughput for 1 initial writers = 20892.78 KB/sec |
| 23:59.27 | themill | nsadmin: quite. "expected for most normal installations" not "must for all" |
| 23:59.27 | keith4_ | themill, then there are lots of packages that recommend too many things, imho ;-) |
| 23:59.36 | gngkai | bpun: Children see throughput for 1 initial writers = 253880.84 KB/sec |
| 23:59.39 | themill | keith4_: file bugs. Don't complain. |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | keith4_: you can set your apt.conf to not install Recommends |
| 23:59.46 | themill | keith4_: any place where installation of recommended packages does something truly horrible is a bug. |
