| 00:00.20 | themill | dpkg: tell keith4_ about apt recommends |
| 00:00.21 | keith4_ | themill, well, that's a matter of opinion, no? in the package maintainer's mind, it must not be horrible |
| 00:00.33 | keith4_ | abrotman, yah, i do set it that way. but every time i set up a new box, i forget |
| 00:00.42 | jpinx-eeepc | keith4_: aptitude install <packge> --without-recommends ;) |
| 00:00.46 | themill | keith4_: not necessarily. There are some recommends that should have been suggests. |
| 00:00.48 | nsadmin | keith4_: that would be evident, given a sane maintainer :) |
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| 00:00.50 | keith4_ | and i'm 37 packages deep before i wonder why 'ssh' dragged in x11-common and all of its libs |
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| 00:01.03 | keith4_ | themill, like nagios-nrpe-plugin recommending nagios3 |
| 00:01.31 | nsadmin | keith4_: that one should be a depend |
| 00:02.07 | abrotman | nsadmin: not really |
| 00:02.33 | themill | keith4_: you realise that x11-common is for X11 forwarding? That's something that people expect to work. Therefore it should be installed in most normal cases. |
| 00:02.33 | nsadmin | well what else could use that plugin? |
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| 00:02.55 | keith4_ | nsadmin, the nrpe daemon, sshkeys, other software, etc. |
| 00:03.28 | keith4_ | nsadmin, i've done NRPE chaining, to get through NAT |
| 00:03.30 | sanmarcos | ntp is a ntp server? |
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| 00:03.41 | sanmarcos | I just want to set my clock from a ntp server not run one |
| 00:03.56 | nsadmin | sanmarcos: it's both a client and a server |
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| 00:04.04 | rudi_s | sanmarcos: You can use ntpdate. |
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| 00:04.24 | sanmarcos | but they say its obsolete |
| 00:04.27 | sanmarcos | which sould I use? |
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| 00:04.57 | abrotman | nsadmin: sorry . thought you meant the ssh/x11 stuff |
| 00:05.03 | keith4_ | themill, yah, i know. "should" is a dangerous word, though |
| 00:05.16 | keith4_ | it only bothers me because it's different than etch, i guess |
| 00:05.49 | nsadmin | abrotman: oh, you're right about that of course... I think that should be a suggest |
| 00:05.54 | themill | keith4_: aptitude was the recommended tool for binary package management in etch too, and that was also its default behaviour |
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| 00:07.55 | keith4_ | bah |
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| 00:11.11 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all, I have a problem with gnome, tried everything but it still failing :S ... I'm running debian lenny, with gnome 2.26.1 ... every time that I log into a new session my E6500's keyboard lose the correct distribution setting (it's latam,or also known as LAm) here is my .xsession-errors file http://pastebin.com/d39cb45e7 |
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| 00:11.41 | TheCoffeMaker | sorry ... I'm running squeeze :P |
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| 00:27.03 | sanmarcos | does samba need to have users added through smbpasswd? |
| 00:27.08 | sanmarcos | or can it just use my local unix user? |
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| 00:32.23 | danielcadete | sanmarcos i'm no sure, but i think you must add them through smbpasswd.. |
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| 00:56.07 | ldp | I managed to suspend aptitude while it was running. |
| 00:56.13 | ldp | So the dpkg db is still in use. |
| 00:56.19 | ldp | I removed the lock, but it still doesn't work. |
| 00:56.38 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 00:56.45 | ZenWalker | gui calendar? |
| 00:57.55 | Evet | My ISP sux. They all closed Port 25 of all clients to combat with spamming Idiots... |
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| 01:01.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just ran into bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529335 which is marked as "done" - but the dependency is still missing for the lenny package, it's only been fixed in unstable... Do such bugs not get fixed at all in lenny or is this an oversight of the maintainer and I could/should mail him about a fixed package for lenny? (it's just a dependency... possibly a recommend/suggest) |
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| 01:16.09 | swellie | fixed, perhaps? |
| 01:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 01:16.32 | jpinx-eeepc | .ping |
| 01:16.58 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: ping |
| 01:16.59 | dpkg | Yes, jpinx-eeepc, you are online. |
| 01:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should only happen when the channel is flooded by many different people |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | anyways .. move along :) |
| 01:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. by a lot of bots |
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| 01:17.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !ask |
| 01:17.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | where to? |
| 01:17.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already asked |
| 01:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody bothered to answer, though |
| 01:18.30 | jpinx-eeepc | nobody could and now it's lost in the scrollback |
| 01:18.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not, thanks to the awesome power of /lastlog |
| 01:19.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I doubt nobody could, just nobody bothered to |
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| 01:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | he who invoketh the ask factoid hath to provide an answer? |
| 01:21.00 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: my understanding is that packages are not touched in stable other than security patches |
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| 01:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | so - unless your issue is a security one - I gues it'll stay broken |
| 01:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there have been other bugfixes as well for sure... perhaps it depends on the gravity, though? |
| 01:22.14 | jpinx-eeepc | and the maintainers mood? ;) |
| 01:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | like picard... it crashed... |
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| 01:22.52 | jpinx-eeepc | but policy was - afaik - security only changes in stable |
| 01:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'll just mail the maintainer and ask him :) |
| 01:23.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, this is a simple dependency change... |
| 01:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no chance it'd introduce a new bug |
| 01:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | a recommend would do as well |
| 01:24.38 | Tapout | I read that the default kernel is data=writeback on the backported kernel. When i reboot, and cat /proc/mounts, I see data=ordered .. anyone know why that is? |
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| 01:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, well, this [ http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Debian ] only says "stable only gets backported bugfixes" |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | not 100% true |
| 01:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | bloody Debian Policy Manual doesn't mention anything about it |
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| 01:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no - I've seen version changes on security fixes... e.g. with sshd |
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| 01:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I wonder about the reverse - is there any reason to not have that dependency fixed in stable |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | which dependency? |
| 01:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529335 |
| 01:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | *Package "Ekiga": Dependences must include package "libpt-1.11.2-plugins-v4l2" |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | is it an RC bug ? |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | judd: versions ekiga |
| 01:46.14 | judd | abrotman: ekiga -- etch: 2.0.3-6 etch-backports: 2.0.11-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 squeeze: 3.2.1~git20090515.9d0263-1 sid: 3.2.5-1 |
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| 01:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that matter? |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what's the criterion for being one |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | i don't understand .. what's the problem with that dep ? |
| 01:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's missing? |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | you could append the bug and ask if it will be fixed in stable |
| 01:47.44 | abrotman | or ask the maintainer on OFTC |
| 01:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... of course now that I know what's wrong it's fixed for me - but I don't see why everyone has to waste the time to google, find not so much useful, finally get via some convoluted ways to the bts and install the correct package |
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| 01:55.37 | keltor | is grub2 working ok for amd64? |
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| 01:56.56 | abrotman | is there a reason you suspect it does not ? |
| 01:57.13 | keltor | abrotman: not at all, just about to try, thought i'd ask :) |
| 01:58.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in the BTS, that's what it's for |
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| 01:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it wouldn't work at all, there would be no grub2 package for amd64, though :) |
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| 02:00.43 | crackintosh | I just did 'apt-get upgrade' on an etch release, it asked me to review changes to /etc/apache2/ports.conf the script removed -Listen 8080 and added +NameVirtualHost *:80 +Listen:80 . I modified the file and changed Listen back to 8080 and restarted apache2. When I try to go to the page I get 404 not found. When I review running processes it says that /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start is running multiple times. when I do netstat - |
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| 02:01.45 | keltor | CutMeOwnThroat: i did in fact check bts and i DID consider that the package probably wouldn't be in the arch if it didn't work, but i came up with a weird possiblity that i could ALSO ask on irc :) |
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| 02:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever was default in lenny worked for me |
| 02:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I didn't pay attention if that was grub or grub2 |
| 02:02.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
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| 02:03.12 | keltor | CutMeOwnThroat: that's grub1 ... grub2 isn't even the sid default |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | crackintosh: you got cut off |
| 02:03.26 | crackintosh | what was the last word? |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | le times. when I do netstat |
| 02:03.44 | crackintosh | when I do netstat -tulpn | grep :8080 I get 'tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN 3715/apache2' I am not able to access /index.html either. any suggestions? |
| 02:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps apache2ctl configtest and fullstatus for a start |
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| 02:05.28 | maxagaz | hi |
| 02:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | 404 not found means it DOES listen to the port |
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| 02:05.40 | hikenboot | anyone know why share folders would be greyed out in debian? |
| 02:05.47 | PovAddict | what APT proxy do you recommend? |
| 02:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you've just not got it configured to point to your correct DocumentRoot |
| 02:05.56 | hikenboot | squeeze |
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| 02:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | my xterm/bash doesn't gray anything out |
| 02:06.36 | PovAddict | I want it to download packages only when they are requested by a debian system, not to pre-load a giant cache (eg. from a CD) |
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| 02:07.52 | PovAddict | flood? |
| 02:07.52 | charitwo | what flood |
| 02:08.03 | PovAddict | debhelper hasn't seen #ubuntu |
| 02:08.12 | charitwo | there was one here earlier |
| 02:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | something's wrong |
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| 02:08.25 | charitwo | the bot must be confused |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | no .. i think the bot is lagging |
| 02:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | PovAddict, that's the regular way it goes... |
| 02:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a hell lot of lag |
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| 02:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have several machines, perhaps you think of apt-cacher or apt-proxy ( /msg dpkg apt-cacher ) |
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| 02:13.50 | hikenboot | anyone know why share folders would be greyed out in debian? |
| 02:14.12 | hikenboot | using root password or run nautilus as root makes no differnence |
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| 02:14.40 | abrotman | you don't have samba installed ? |
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| 02:14.54 | hikenboot | yes samba is installed |
| 02:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | now he mentions nautilus |
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| 02:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | had you only also listened to the advice I gave others :) |
| 02:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519878 |
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| 02:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hikenboot, ^^^ |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | i think he's trying to create one ? |
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| 02:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no reply yet, though |
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| 02:17.26 | hikenboot | yes i am trying to create one |
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| 02:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | one what |
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| 02:18.12 | abrotman | a share |
| 02:18.14 | hikenboot | a share from the debian box for the windows box... |
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| 02:19.02 | hikenboot | right clicking a folder and selecting share should prompt to install any needed packages ...yes...no? |
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| 02:19.25 | hikenboot | although i have alread installed samba... |
| 02:19.43 | hikenboot | somthing must be missing |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | how did you install gnome ? |
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| 02:20.16 | hikenboot | squeeze installer |
| 02:20.34 | PovAddict | squeezes hikenboot |
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| 02:21.47 | abrotman | hikenboot: do you install without recommends ? |
| 02:22.12 | hikenboot | all recommended packages were installed |
| 02:22.26 | qiyong | is lenny stable ? |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:22.46 | abrotman | hikenboot: you could look at the nautilus documentation in /usr/share/nautilus perhaps ... |
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| 02:23.27 | hikenboot | thanks abrotman...will do ..however wishing I had grabbed the lenny cd instead of squeeze...(in error) |
| 02:23.31 | qiyong | what's the test codename? |
| 02:23.39 | abrotman | qiyong: debian.org/releases |
| 02:24.40 | blizzow |  I'm trying to ssh into my lenny box with the -X flag and run some X programs. All I keep getting is "Error: Can't open display:" Do I have to add special sauce to the sshd_config file to get X tunneling enabled on Lenny? I already have X11Forwarding yes in there. |
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| 02:28.57 | Tramp | !tell blizzow -about sshx |
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| 02:34.58 | blizzow | Tramp: xauth and xbase-clients are installed on both hosts, X11forward is enabled on the remote host. Display still isn't being set. |
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| 02:37.07 | Tramp | blizzow: well, then try ssh with -vv and maybe even sshd with -d |
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| 02:49.32 | blizzow | Daemon is bitching about not being able to bind to any port in the 6000-6999 range. |
| 02:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | unusual |
| 02:50.58 | maxagaz | how to avoid displaying the dn line with ldapsearch ? |
| 02:51.13 | qiyong | sid/unstale doesn't have any cd release, right? |
| 02:51.27 | Tramp | blizzow: huh? can you show us the error-message? |
| 02:52.27 | blizzow | debug2: bind port 6998: Cannot assign requested address |
| 02:52.28 | blizzow | debug2: bind port 6999: Cannot assign requested address |
| 02:52.28 | blizzow | Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket. |
| 02:52.28 | blizzow | debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed. |
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| 02:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
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| 02:53.52 | blizzow | bastard, it was only 4 lines! |
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| 02:54.56 | blizzow | It starts at port 6010 and keeps going. |
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| 02:56.07 | chant | Hey, so I wrote this program, and when I run "top" it shows up with between 10->40% of CPU usage in teh program list, but overall CPU usage stays at 99% idle |
| 02:56.10 | chant | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:57.09 | chant | it is doing a whole lot of write syscalls |
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| 02:57.19 | Tramp | blizzow: only thing I find with this symptoms is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422327 , which seems to imply problems with the /etc/hosts file |
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| 02:58.21 | blizzow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.33 | Tramp | blizzow: or rather some interaction with the ipv6 subsystem - not sure |
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| 03:01.59 | perlmonkey2 | Quick question, I did the debian netinstall and sshd wasn't installed by default. Any reason for this? |
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| 03:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't select the task that would have installed it? |
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| 03:03.59 | blizzow | Tramp: I gave it a super clean /etc/hosts, nothing. super weaaaak. |
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| 03:06.11 | Tramp | blizzow: does your "ifconfig lo" show inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host ? |
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| 03:06.30 | blizzow | nope, even after I modprobed ipv6. |
| 03:06.43 | Myth` | How would I move all the contents of /var/www/wordpress to /var/www |
| 03:06.43 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: I did the non-gui install. And now it looks like iptables isn't running either :( |
| 03:07.10 | Tramp | blizzow: what Debian is that? |
| 03:07.12 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: The machine is headless and I'm coming from RHEL-land, so I'm having trouble figuring out how to lock the machine down. |
| 03:07.17 | blizzow | Lenny |
| 03:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | iptables is never "running" |
| 03:07.57 | sanmarcos | hello how can I stop this message The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software from popping up whenever I run ssh? |
| 03:08.13 | Tramp | blizzow: hmm. I'm sure this is your problem, according to the Bug-Report I showed earlier. i.e. your ipv6 stuff is broken |
| 03:08.26 | perlmonkey2 | hmm, how can I restart sshd? I'm used to 'service sshd restart' |
| 03:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlmonkey2, but there you win... "aptitude install ssh iptables" |
| 03:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/init.d/ssh restart ? |
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| 03:09.01 | blizzow | Tramp: I assume so. It kinda blows though that ipv6 is required for ssh to run X, no? |
| 03:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | so this is supposed to become a router? |
| 03:09.18 | Tramp | !noipv6 |
| 03:09.18 | dpkg | well, noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 03:09.52 | Tramp | blizzow: loading the module probably does not add an addres. You'd have to reconfigure your network for it to take effect, I guess |
| 03:10.00 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't understand? it just installed ssh, but I was ssh'ing from the machine. how is that possible? |
| 03:10.18 | Tramp | blizzow: ivv6 is not needed. But if it's enabled, it has to be properly configured (i.e. with address on loopback) |
| 03:10.20 | perlmonkey2 | I mean before I ran that command you gave me, I was ssh'ing from the machine. |
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| 03:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlmonkey2, server and client are separate? |
| 03:10.43 | Tramp | blizzow: but I have no idea, what may have caused your ipv6-setup to become broken. |
| 03:10.45 | phorce1 | sanmarcos: change your motd |
| 03:10.47 | blizzow | no option to reboot unfortunately. Too far away to baby the box to life. |
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| 03:11.05 | phorce1 | sanmarcos: `man motd` |
| 03:11.46 | sanmarcos | thanks |
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| 03:12.22 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd think they would be. But I had installed openssh-server, ssh'd to the machine, then ssh'd from the machine. Then aptitude installed the package 'ssh'. If I didn't have ssh, then how was I leaving the machine? |
| 03:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh is just a metapackage that pulls in sshd+ssh client |
| 03:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the output of "apt-cache show ssh" |
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| 03:14.12 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: ahah, I see. Thanks. |
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| 03:14.36 | perlmonkey2 | Anyone want to give me the gui apt manager's name? Before I pulled the server's monitor is seemed like it started with a 'p'. |
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| 03:15.34 | perlmonkey2 | hah, synatpic |
| 03:15.41 | perlmonkey2 | stops bothering this channel |
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| 03:16.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude? |
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| 03:16.34 | dirkson | Hello all. Is there any way I can tell debian to use the ethernet port to connect to other IPs when the ethernet port is connected? Currently, it tries to use wifi, even though wifi isn't actually connected to the IP in question. |
| 03:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | curses-"gui" :) |
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| 03:17.49 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, may have to learn aptitude as my x11 forwarding doesn't seem to be working. |
| 03:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dirkson, you could configure your LAN interface to shut down the wifi when it comes up, I guess |
| 03:18.21 | dirkson | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, but then I wouldn't have internet when I connect to my lan. |
| 03:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you have an internal lan + wifi-internet? |
| 03:18.46 | dirkson | CutMeOwnThroat: Right. |
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| 03:19.07 | dirkson | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, more or less. It's a weird setup. |
| 03:19.19 | Tramp | that may be part of the problem |
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| 03:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dirkson, "man route"? :) |
| 03:19.39 | phorce1 | dirkson: Just make sure your routing table is set up properly. I use 2 ethernet cards but it's the same principle. Default gw should be the WiFi but you should also have a gw properly defined for the hard link. |
| 03:20.00 | dirkson | Tramp: Aye. Bleh, I guess I'll just fix the setup, rather than try to make the thing actually work. |
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| 03:20.14 | Tramp | I bet he has two interfaces in the same subnet |
| 03:20.18 | phorce1 | dirkson: then any requests for IP addresses in the range covered by the hard line should go there |
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| 03:20.40 | phorce1 | Tramp: yeah, that won;t work very well |
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| 03:24.33 | sanmarcos | does the motd file get updated with kernel updates? |
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| 03:25.14 | stew | sanmarcos: it gets updated during the boot process |
| 03:25.21 | racecar56 | i installed kqemu-common now how do i get it to make a /dev/qemu? |
| 03:25.24 | sanmarcos | stew: by what exactly? |
| 03:25.25 | stew | sanmarcos: grep motd /etc/init.d/* |
| 03:25.29 | sanmarcos | ah thanks |
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| 03:25.56 | sanmarcos | motd.tail is what I want to erase |
| 03:26.38 | phorce1 | sanmarcos: I would suggest replacing it with an empty file rather than deleting it |
| 03:26.44 | sanmarcos | yes |
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| 03:29.12 | phorce1 | Is there a .swf creator/editor for lenny? I see swftools for sid but I'll load something on the Winblows machine befor eswitching to sid for a 2 minute edit |
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| 03:30.13 | perlmonkey2 | whoa, 'iptables -L' shows there are zero rules. That can't be right? |
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| 03:31.23 | racecar56 | why dosen't the kqemu package exist? |
| 03:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what would you want firewall rules for? |
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| 03:32.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Unicorn defense. |
| 03:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't want/need a service, don't install it - if it shouldn't listen to the internet, it's configured to only listen on lo (like cups) |
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| 03:32.45 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: that said, there are some legitimate reasons to filter packets. |
| 03:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, impale everyone on the spiky thing on your head, fail on virgins? |
| 03:33.35 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: FTW! |
| 03:36.02 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: yikes, debian is looking like it might be out of my league. I don't see any firewall config tools I can get to work (arno's app has a bin I can't find), and iptables installs without a default setup. And while the wan should only see ssh which is pki only, I like to have a firewall on general principles. |
| 03:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what WOULD sometimes be nice was a program that allows you to allow/reject outgoing connections on a per-binary basis like those personal firewall thingies do |
| 03:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlmonkey2, I bet we're all curious what those general principles are... |
| 03:37.38 | karsten | perlmonkey2: Constructing firewalls is something of a black art. |
| 03:38.01 | karsten | perlmonkey2: ... perhaps because its practitioners seem to spend so much time dousing one another in gasoline and throwing matches at one another. |
| 03:38.07 | karsten | Soot accumulation over time. |
| 03:38.14 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: cause I don't want to track down every single daemon, figure out what it does and if it should be listening on the network. |
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| 03:38.31 | TrickFinlay2 | CutMeOwnThroat, check out http://www.fwbuilder.org/ |
| 03:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | why me!? |
| 03:39.03 | karsten | perlmonkey2: There are some tools, fwbuilder, mason, firehol. |
| 03:39.16 | karsten | perlmonkey2: ...and some others. I was never particularly happy with them though. |
| 03:39.24 | perlmonkey2 | hmm, they didn't show up when I searched 'iptables' or 'firewall' :( |
| 03:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure? |
| 03:39.42 | karsten | perlmonkey2: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3716981 |
| 03:39.45 | craigevil | tuxguardian does per-application basis, but it hasnt been updated since 2006 |
| 03:39.50 | karsten | perlmonkey2: No, they don't. That's a bug IMO. |
| 03:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ apt-cache search firewall |wc -l -----> 160 |
| 03:39.58 | karsten | perlmonkey2: I Googled. |
| 03:40.00 | ajavid | why? |
| 03:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't believe that's not showing up anything |
| 03:40.11 | ajavid | strange |
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| 03:40.19 | liable | wtf, why did the channel just tell me to register to speak here? |
| 03:40.29 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude search loses to apt-cache search. |
| 03:40.30 | ajavid | what is +R ? |
| 03:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, debhelper's running wild |
| 03:40.35 | karsten | liable: Yeah, it did that to me. |
| 03:40.49 | ajavid | debhelper, |
| 03:40.59 | liable | dpkg: spank debhelper |
| 03:40.59 | dpkg | bends debhelper over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 03:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, doh, indeed |
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| 03:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why not aptitude |
| 03:41.17 | dpkg | Aptitude uses more memory than apt-get and this is about the only reason not to use it as a replacement for the more primitive frontend to libapt that apt-get provides you with. Aptitude also suffers from some bugs that apt-get doesn't have but the converse is also true. Note that aptitude can't download source packages for you but that's no reason to not use aptitude for all your binary package handling. |
| 03:41.40 | phorce1 | is showing as +JLPRcflnt in here |
| 03:42.07 | karsten | !why aptitude |
| 03:42.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 03:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, that's already pretty long |
| 03:42.20 | phorce1 | logest list of letters I've ever had on IRC |
| 03:42.24 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: On balance, I'd rather have the newbs using aptitude than apt-get. |
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| 03:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's actually NOT so much saying 'why not aptitude', it's more a defense for all aptitudes crappieness written by an apologetic |
| 03:42.52 | perlmonkey2 | apt-get doesn't seem to have a 'search' ? |
| 03:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dammit! |
| 03:42.55 | karsten | phorce1: How do you view thos settings? |
| 03:43.06 | racecar56 | perlmonkey2: apt-cache search blah |
| 03:43.11 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, but then there's the factoid handle itself. |
| 03:43.12 | phorce1 | karsten: irssi shows them on my status line |
| 03:43.12 | simonrvn | phorce1: that's the channel, not you |
| 03:43.20 | perlmonkey2 | racecar56: ahah, thanks |
| 03:43.37 | phorce1 | simonrvn: I realized that after I typed it -- I am +ei |
| 03:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but that's no reason to make the why not aptitude factoid so crappy - also see <why aptitude> suffices, it doesn't need 1000 excuses for aptitude |
| 03:43.39 | karsten | perlmonkey2: Not only does it not seem to, but it doesn't actually have it. |
| 03:43.42 | simonrvn | [simonrvn(+eiw)][4:freenode/#debian(+JLPRcflnt)] |
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| 03:43.55 | simonrvn | phorce1: :) |
| 03:44.08 | karsten | perlmonkey2: apt-get *does* have super cow powers. |
| 03:44.24 | karsten | is +ei |
| 03:44.29 | perlmonkey2 | karsten: it's at least way faster than yum |
| 03:44.41 | karsten | ah. #debian(+JLPRcflnt)] |
| 03:44.44 | perlmonkey2 | curses gtk-forwarding not working. |
| 03:44.55 | karsten | perlmonkey2: No, it's not. |
| 03:45.02 | liable | whats +w? |
| 03:45.04 | racecar56 | karihre: you invented a secret channel |
| 03:45.04 | karsten | perlmonkey2: It's *massively* superior to yum. |
| 03:45.08 | liable | i want a w! |
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| 03:45.17 | karsten | yum can kiss my ever-loving ass. |
| 03:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives liable a w |
| 03:45.35 | TrickFinlay2 | karsten, ive never had an issue with yum |
| 03:45.36 | perlmonkey2 | karsten: it is superior but slower? is that what you're saying? |
| 03:45.51 | liable | danke |
| 03:46.00 | karsten | TrickFinlay2: The main issue I have with yum is RPM. |
| 03:46.09 | karsten | perlmonkey2: It's superior *and* faster. |
| 03:46.22 | TrickFinlay2 | karsten, just curious, but whats so bad about it |
| 03:46.32 | karsten | perlmonkey2: truth: much of the superiority is in better quality packages. |
| 03:46.36 | phorce1 | Well, .swf doesn't like beig hex edited. heh |
| 03:46.40 | liable | the depends resolution sucks ass for starters |
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| 03:47.11 | karsten | perlmonkey2: debian policy is very poorly understood by many inside Debian, and virtually all outside. |
| 03:47.43 | phorce1 | Oh, wait, maybe it does. It just didn't like the " (copy)" in the name of the file I was editing |
| 03:48.44 | perlmonkey2 | arg, x11forwarding failing with nothing but 'Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:' and nothing in the longs on either side. |
| 03:48.52 | perlmonkey2 | logs |
| 03:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh -X? |
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| 03:49.41 | karsten | perlmonkey2: ... and enable X11 forwarding on remote sshd. |
| 03:49.59 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the brainstorm. forwarding words in userland but doesn't as root. |
| 03:50.17 | perlmonkey2 | karsten: it's all configured, just looks like root disallows. |
| 03:50.34 | karsten | perlmonkey2: root local or root remote? |
| 03:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlmonkey2, perhaps because root doesn't have DISPLAY set... |
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| 03:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | good q |
| 03:50.51 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat++ |
| 03:51.00 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: oh crap, I need to log in as root first on the machine don't I. |
| 03:51.06 | perlmonkey2 | karsten: root remote |
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| 03:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confetti CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:51.29 | dpkg | throws loads and loads of confetti all over CutMeOwnThroat and shouts "Hooray!". |
| 03:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, what was that for? |
| 03:52.56 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: does root have a display. |
| 03:53.03 | racecar56 | how do i get kqemu on debian squeez |
| 03:53.28 | karsten | perlmonkey2: if you're not ssh'ing directly to root remote from local, you'll have to set remote root's DISPLAY variable and use xauth to provide access. |
| 03:55.08 | perlmonkey2 | karsten: hmm, that must have happened automagically for me on centos |
| 03:55.52 | phorce1 | Cool, no need to switch to winblows for an swf editor. Hex editing worked on the .swf (although changing from a mailto:REALLY LONG ADDRESS link to an http:// link means I now have create a file on the server called listjoininfo1234567890.html <sigh>) |
| 03:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I have sshing into the root account disallowed on all my machines... so I wouldn't ever encounter this |
| 03:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kqemu |
| 03:57.08 | dpkg | The <QEMU> accelerator module (KQEMU) increases execution speed when emulating an x86 CPU on a native x86 CPU. To install on Lenny: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i kqemu && echo kqemu >> /etc/modules && modprobe kqemu". To install on Etch: ask me about <non-free sources>, then "aptitude install kqemu-modules-$(uname -r) && echo kqemu >> /etc/modules && modprobe kqemu". |
| 03:57.28 | karsten | phorce1: Heh. |
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| 03:59.02 | phorce1 | Maybe we'll have a Debianized swf editor with whatever release comes after squeeze |
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| 04:01.44 | racecar56 | if only there were some cool thingy to make animated svg images as easy as flash... now that would be awesome |
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| 04:02.51 | perlmonkey2 | karsten: what didn't you like about firestarter? |
| 04:03.12 | winstonw | hello, if i was to package a program written in python with one user called binary, but a couple modules called by the user called binary, would it bebest to create a single binary deb? |
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| 04:05.30 | racecar56 | !confetti a confetti pile |
| 04:05.30 | dpkg | throws loads and loads of confetti all over a confetti pile and shouts "Hooray!". |
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| 04:05.51 | winstonw | there has to be a packager here... |
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| 04:06.40 | liable | theres a policy for python packaging. might give some ideas |
| 04:07.29 | winstonw | thx |
| 04:08.13 | stew | winstonw: probably not worth packaging separately |
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| 04:09.02 | stew | winstonw: unless the binary is large for some reason (like it has a lot of media with it or something like icons sounds or whatever), and the library is definately going to be of interest to people without the binary |
| 04:10.29 | winstonw | stew: ok hehe, we are talking about a program that is 166Kb |
| 04:10.33 | winstonw | all the sources |
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| 04:11.05 | winstonw | http://jdolan.dyndns.org/trac/wiki/Pymp thats the program btw, its been quite fun packaging it |
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| 04:12.57 | dirkson | Hey all. Set up two computers and a switch on a network for some in-home filesharing. Both are debian testing. While they both have appropriate netmasks and IP address, and all connections are secure in the physical network, neither can ping the other. I have not set a gateway on either computer. What else should I be looking for here? |
| 04:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "definitely" godsdammit |
| 04:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | for "route -n"? |
| 04:13.48 | perlmonkey2 | swa-eet! firestarter whipped me up a nice iptables. folding@home is rocking away. I've got x11 forwarding going. I'm rock'n the Debian now :D |
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| 04:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, it's using mplayer as backend to play mp3s |
| 04:15.05 | phorce1 | writes iptables rules manually from examples, doesn't know iptables that well ---- and firestarter confused the heck out of him |
| 04:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | builds firewalls using bricks and mortar. |
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| 04:17.32 | perlmonkey2 | puts an MG42 on top of his firewall and smokes a cigar in his M-1 steel helmet. |
| 04:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | still wonders what perlmonkey2 thinks he's protecting |
| 04:18.14 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, looking at netstat there isn't much running by default. |
| 04:18.47 | perlmonkey2 | but eventually I'll have a dev webserver running and I need to protect access to it because A) it's dev and B) I don't trust the non-dev part of it to be totally secure. |
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| 04:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | apache is pretty secure... |
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| 04:23.00 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: right, but the FOSS project I work on might not be |
| 04:23.42 | perlmonkey2 | CutMeOwnThroat: there are known cross site attacks and who knows what un-sanitized data is allowed in. |
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| 04:29.22 | exobyte | Is there a way to get the number of bytes written to a named pipe? |
| 04:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tee named_pipe |wc ? |
| 04:30.46 | exobyte | CutMeOwnThroat: realtime, not just when it's done |
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| 04:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew you'd change the rules in the middle of the game :) |
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| 04:31.59 | exobyte | CutMeOwnThroat: I suppose I wasn't 100% clear, but I'll give you that tee was a clever idea |
| 04:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | exobyte, iotop perhaps... |
| 04:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it lists on a per-process basis, iirc |
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| 04:35.45 | exobyte | CutMeOwnThroat: that might work... |
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| 04:40.56 | racecar56 | why is my /dev/dsp being used _ALL_ the time? |
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| 04:43.58 | perlmonkey2 | hmm, how come my runlevel is 3 yet X has a login screen on my box? |
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| 04:45.28 | freenose | Where are the settings to change application fonts? |
| 04:45.47 | perlmonkey2 | hmm, gdm is in init 2 and above. strange. |
| 04:45.59 | craigevil | perlmonkey2: 2-5 are the same in debian |
| 04:46.20 | perlmonkey2 | craigevil: thanks, that's good to know. So there is no non-X run level? |
| 04:46.40 | craigevil | kill gmd from ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 04:46.45 | craigevil | gdm |
| 04:47.04 | DetroitLibertyPe | !route |
| 04:47.05 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:48.17 | perlmonkey2 | craigevil: naw, it isn't a big deal, greater and gdm only take about 40mb. not worth the effort to kill it :P |
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| 04:52.48 | DGMurdockIII | Open Source development for the AMD64 architecture - http://www.x86-64.org |
| 04:53.10 | DGMurdockIII | Open Source development for the AMD64 architecture - http://www.amd64.org/ |
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| 04:59.51 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi, someone has any idea of what is it? http://pastebin.com/d754fafd5 |
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| 05:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a pastebin address! |
| 05:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I win something? |
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| 05:03.32 | perlmonkey2 | is selinux not installed by default? |
| 05:03.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | for extra points... and it looks like it contains part of the output of lsusb -v |
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| 05:04.31 | TheCoffeMaker | CuteMeOwnThroat, LOL ... no you didn't won anything with that answer :P |
| 05:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's unfair! |
| 05:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not |
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| 05:07.24 | TheCoffeMaker | coz didn't help me? |
| 05:07.26 | jmarsden | TheCoffeMaker: It is a device made by Broadcom? :) |
| 05:07.45 | TheCoffeMaker | jmarsden ... at leat you read it :P |
| 05:07.47 | TheCoffeMaker | hehehe |
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| 05:09.31 | TheCoffeMaker | I brouth a dell e6500 and dmesg shows a bluetooth device, but ... didn't get ride of it, anyway seems that this broadcom device has something to do with the sim card that I found under my battery |
| 05:10.46 | TheCoffeMaker | but don't know ... so ... I googled about it but didn't find nothing related |
| 05:10.55 | TheCoffeMaker | maybe you have an idea |
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| 05:11.34 | jmarsden | TheCoffeMaker: Maybe some kind of built in 3G wireless Internet ?? |
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| 05:12.50 | TheCoffeMaker | maybe ... but don't know ... if it's recognized there should be a device, but it's my first time with this kind of technology so I really don't know |
| 05:12.52 | TheCoffeMaker | :S |
| 05:12.56 | Wakapakawananaka | Can somebody explain to me what the current xorg package situation is on unstable? For a few months now I've had all these xorg packages up in the "The following packages have been kept back" section, and trying to resolve it threatens to remove lotsa stuff that looks important. I'd like to upgrade, but I don't wanna break X. Anybody know what's going on? |
| 05:13.13 | liable | 3g would probably show up as a usb devive |
| 05:13.28 | liable | try lsusb -vvv |
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| 05:14.01 | craigevil | Wakapakawananaka: i run sid and i havent seen any xorg packages kept back, but i have onboard intel |
| 05:14.25 | Wakapakawananaka | craigevil, ok. Maybe something in my list has been deprecated and that's holding everything up. |
| 05:14.35 | craigevil | Wakapakawananaka: apt-get dist-upgrade results > 13 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded only thing held back is apt |
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| 05:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheCoffeMaker, "chip reader" |
| 05:15.07 | Wakapakawananaka | k. My installation is about 5 years old, so I've accumulated some cruft here and there... I wonder if there's a way to list installed packages which no longer exist in the repos... |
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| 05:15.14 | TheCoffeMaker | liable ... mmm smart-card (bInterfaceClass 11 Chip/SmartCard) |
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| 05:15.49 | liable | whats a smartcard? |
| 05:15.58 | yo34ps3 | hi ppl |
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| 05:16.18 | craigevil | Wakapakawananaka: synaptic has an Obsolete menu that shows packages not in your current sources.list there is probably a simple dpkg command to do the same thing |
| 05:16.44 | dutchfish | !tell liable about KCI |
| 05:16.47 | Wakapakawananaka | craigevil, ah, cool, thanks! Finally, a reason to run synaptic! :-) |
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| 05:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wakapakawananaka, aptitude why not important-package-that-will-be-removed? |
| 05:17.07 | liable | what? |
| 05:17.14 | liable | !beat dutchfish |
| 05:17.14 | dpkg | beats dutchfish with a large stick. |
| 05:17.30 | dutchfish | takes it in veign |
| 05:17.40 | yo34ps3 | hey anyone have an idea why dpkg-reconfigure not working? |
| 05:17.41 | Wakapakawananaka | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry, can you give me a little more detail? I never use aptitude. :-) |
| 05:17.41 | TheCoffeMaker | liable, it's a card with a chip ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_card |
| 05:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | more detail than the exact command? |
| 05:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "no" |
| 05:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 05:18.23 | yo34ps3 | it seem not installed but i got dpkg |
| 05:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for the typo, maybe |
| 05:18.30 | Wakapakawananaka | Hahahaah ok... Didn't realize that was it. |
| 05:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's "aptitude why-not package" |
| 05:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | just pick one of the packages you think shouldn't be removed |
| 05:19.11 | Wakapakawananaka | Thanks! |
| 05:19.15 | Wakapakawananaka | Ok. |
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| 05:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and he leaves |
| 05:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 05:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | can we expect more than 2 minutes paticence? |
| 05:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously not |
| 05:21.20 | greenmang0 | having trouble with xserver - http://paste.debian.net/43070/ |
| 05:21.25 | greenmang0 | running Debian Lenny |
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| 05:21.59 | TheCoffeMaker | this is what dmesg shows about the bluethoot -> http://pastebin.com/d2192d581 |
| 05:22.21 | greenmang0 | !tell me intel 945gm xserver lenny |
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| 05:24.10 | rozie | greenmang0: looks like you have no config |
| 05:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | new xorg doesn't need one |
| 05:24.29 | greenmang0 | rozie: i created xorg.conf using X -configure |
| 05:24.36 | greenmang0 | but it didn't work |
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| 05:24.44 | rozie | CutMeOwnThroat: in lenny it needs one |
| 05:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... no? |
| 05:25.37 | rozie | greenmang0: you can start liveCD (for example knoppix) and copy config. I thing it's the easiest way |
| 05:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what graphics card is that |
| 05:26.23 | greenmang0 | rozie: hmm for that i will have to download it... connection is not good here... |
| 05:26.41 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 05:27.38 | craigevil | greenmang0: http://pastebin.com/m1f0b41c is my xorg.conf using intel 910 , running sid |
| 05:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | google finds LOTS of problems with that card |
| 05:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should use xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
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| 05:29.39 | greenmang0 | craigevil: ok |
| 05:30.13 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah... it's installed |
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| 05:30.24 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: was working with Etch |
| 05:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | your output doesn't even tell if it's using this |
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| 05:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:31.26 | Shazzamy | does anyone here own an iPhone or an iPod touch? |
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| 05:32.56 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: unfortunately it isn't working anymore |
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| 05:34.06 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/43074/ < xorg.conf.new --- generated using X -configure |
| 05:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're just asking it so you know who to steal it from |
| 05:34.33 | Shazzamy | CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:34.38 | Shazzamy | me? |
| 05:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 05:35.16 | Shazzamy | No, I am not |
| 05:35.32 | Shazzamy | Does anyone here own an iPhone or an iPod touch? |
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| 05:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | greenmang0, what do you get when you use this xorg.conf? |
| 05:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | as /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:44.28 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: no screens found |
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| 05:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a meaningless error |
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| 05:46.02 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/43075/ |
| 05:46.06 | greenmang0 | this is what all i get |
| 05:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | #(EE) intel(0): No valid modes. was the moderately interesting line in your 1st pastebin |
| 05:47.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that kinda can't be |
| 05:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if the xorg.conf you posted is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | try "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" (apt-get install pastebinit if necessary) |
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| 05:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's just a shortened version |
| 05:49.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you never USE the xorg.conf you created |
| 05:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, let me explain - no valid modes obviously means all modes are discarded for some reason |
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| 05:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | your horzsync/vertsync options in your config file should lead to lots of valid modes |
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| 05:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | worst case you need to include modeline entries into your xorg.conf |
| 05:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | videogen can help you make some if you really need that |
| 05:54.23 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: i did try inserting mode line in newly created xorg.conf -- didn't help |
| 05:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does! |
| 05:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you get an explicit error for a discarded modeline |
| 05:54.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it will tell you WHY it discarded of that modeline |
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| 05:56.51 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried both "1024x768" and "800x600" but there's no change in error same output |
| 05:57.40 | cadu | anyone here with intel netbooks with atom+ICH that randomly lock up every minute or so for one/two seconds?! |
| 05:57.57 | cadu | like, 1/2 second freezes. |
| 05:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you just dont use those xorg.conf for some reason |
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| 05:59.14 | rozie | greenmang0: where X --config created the config? |
| 05:59.29 | greenmang0 | rozie: /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 05:59.38 | rozie | and you copied it? |
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| 05:59.46 | greenmang0 | rozie: yes |
| 05:59.53 | rozie | OK, just making sure |
| 06:00.05 | greenmang0 | rozie: also tried with X -config /root/xorg.conf.net |
| 06:00.07 | greenmang0 | new* |
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| 06:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> try "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" (apt-get install pastebinit if necessary) |
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| 06:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | This isn't going anywhere, because 'no valid modes' alone is not informative enough |
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| 06:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and worse is no screens found |
| 06:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !no screens found |
| 06:03.53 | dpkg | it has been said that screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>. |
| 06:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !troubleshooting x |
| 06:03.58 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to fix it. Ask me about <xmd5sum> |
| 06:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm |
| 06:04.11 | liable | @annoy bob2 |
| 06:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit outdated mabbe |
| 06:04.24 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/43032 |
| 06:04.32 | liable | hmm, where is ravenbird |
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| 06:04.57 | greenmang0 | !xmd5sum |
| 06:04.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, xmd5 is If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum -" -- if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 06:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, framebuffer |
| 06:08.28 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried removing fbdev ... didn't help |
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| 06:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe it's removing devices until no output device remains |
| 06:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure about "No SDVO device found" |
| 06:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have a monitor attached? |
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| 06:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 06:15.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bedtime... |
| 06:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you can use the vesa driver in the worst case |
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| 06:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think this is the same http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=978518 |
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| 06:18.15 | redax | hi., |
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| 06:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | with this explanation https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14611 |
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| 06:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also got "(II) intel(0): Output VGA disconnected" |
| 06:18.56 | redax | Don't you know how linux raid (mdadm) handles hot-spare disks? is it possible to spin down the spare disks? |
| 06:20.58 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508476 |
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| 06:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have "cannot run in framebuffer mode" |
| 06:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm pretty sure if you use 'vesa' instead of 'intel' it runs |
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| 06:47.02 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:47.02 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
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| 06:49.43 | greenmang0 | CutMeOwnThroat: xrandr says cant' open display |
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| 06:57.56 | jcm | hi, on a server with debian lenny, raid5 soft + lvm, one of the partitions got full (/var). I cannot connect via ssh and even the keyboard doesn't answer. What's the recommended method to enter? |
| 06:58.01 | jcm | I don't like the idea of rebooting if no flushing can be done |
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| 07:01.25 | boonyo | Hi, I've got a basic test setup using iptables-restore but whenever I run the script I get a "line 10 failed", anyone want to look? http://pastebin.com/d4c6f894e |
| 07:01.36 | boonyo | its only a 13 line test firewall setup |
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| 07:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jcm, an axe... |
| 07:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | boonyo, "=EOF"!="EOF"? |
| 07:05.13 | jcm | :-) seriously, no alternative ? |
| 07:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | come on |
| 07:06.13 | BoltPwer56 | hi all, i was having that problem here ssh connect's password prompt was taking a long time. I see "UseDNS no" fixed that problem. But i can not find is what DNS is been used for? |
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| 07:06.18 | BoltPwer56 | Is it resloving the client ip address to hostname? |
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| 07:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | "nothing reacts but I don't want to reboot like that" |
| 07:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what except "tough luck" do you expect? |
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| 07:06.55 | boonyo | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, i was following an example and what was a - I took for a =.. thanks |
| 07:06.59 | jcm | the box pings but no prompt with kbd |
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| 07:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, if you have VERY thin tweezers, perhaps you can insert bits... |
| 07:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's sysrq key... |
| 07:07.17 | jcm | can it be a large queue of IO and I should wait ? |
| 07:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't help you though if you haven't had it enabled before |
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| 07:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sysrq |
| 07:07.47 | dpkg | methinks sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 07:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | BoltPwer56, yes |
| 07:08.07 | jcm | this server is in test though, not in prod, but much conf has been made and no backups yet |
| 07:08.49 | BoltPwer56 | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know why it wants to know? |
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| 07:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it writes it in its logfile and gets a nice warm cozy feeling from doing so? |
| 07:10.43 | BoltPwer56 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, we all what to been know by name. :)] |
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| 07:10.57 | BoltPwer56 | thaks |
| 07:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | bloody stupid option, imo |
| 07:11.21 | BoltPwer56 | i agree. |
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| 07:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you get MORE scared when the 10000 ssh login attempts you see in your log come from china and you can easily SEE that |
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| 07:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it probably helps reading the log |
| 07:13.16 | BoltPwer56 | hahaha or bangcock |
| 07:13.18 | BoltPwer56 | haha |
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| 07:13.40 | JJOliver | how do I force my eth1 to go down and back up again so that it reloads /etc/network/interface |
| 07:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nigeria! |
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| 07:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ifdown eth1; edit interfaces; ifup eth1"? |
| 07:14.31 | JJOliver | Oh, and I'm sure it's not racist if you blame every country but your own?! |
| 07:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody mentioned any race |
| 07:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I really should race home and into my bed |
| 07:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | we forgot to mention russia, though |
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| 07:17.12 | BoltPwer56 | and what ever country JJOliver is from. :) |
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| 07:18.06 | JJOliver | CutMeOwnThroat: According to British law, racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin".[ |
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| 07:18.20 | JJOliver | (-: |
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| 07:18.26 | unitypunk | hey.. |
| 07:18.29 | JJOliver | I'm from England. |
| 07:18.30 | unitypunk | i oopsied. |
| 07:18.44 | liable | and the carpet? |
| 07:18.51 | liable | s/and/on/ |
| 07:18.51 | unitypunk | accidentaly terminated a screen, and it was starting this php bot for an mmo |
| 07:18.58 | unitypunk | not im getting errors about the log. |
| 07:19.03 | unitypunk | *now |
| 07:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nope, sorry... the british empire still has to work on it's reputation for fearsome hackers |
| 07:19.35 | JJOliver | CutMeOwnThroat: But thanks, doing it your way has fixed my eth1 problems. |
| 07:19.37 | JJOliver | I'm new to linux |
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| 07:20.05 | JJOliver | Actually it hasn't. |
| 07:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it provided the illusion of working? |
| 07:20.40 | JJOliver | yes, now the ping to google isn't being resolved locally as a fail. |
| 07:20.44 | JJOliver | It's failing elsewhere! |
| 07:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's not our problem anymore! |
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| 07:21.24 | JJOliver | CutMeOwnThroat -> sure, but, turning off eth2 has fixed the problem! So kinda job done. |
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| 07:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, if it escaped you... nobody'll be pleased about those 100000 login attempts from wherever they are |
| 07:23.27 | enouf | suck it :-P |
| 07:23.59 | liable | wrong window? |
| 07:24.00 | enouf | JJOliver_: i just yank the power cable out of the router ; done ;-) |
| 07:24.06 | enouf | liable: probably |
| 07:24.14 | liable | he left anyway :P |
| 07:24.32 | enouf | liable: his _tail was here :-P |
| 07:24.47 | liable | ah, i missed that |
| 07:24.52 | enouf | -> JJOliver: is back |
| 07:25.08 | enouf | tab-completion ; no messages ; done |
| 07:25.09 | JJOliver | woots. |
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| 07:25.21 | enouf | JJOliver: i just yank the power cable out of the router ; done ;-) |
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| 07:25.52 | JJOliver | enouf: I changed my nick after you sent your previous message so I did get it (-: . . . |
| 07:26.01 | JJOliver | enouf: but my main problems for today have been solved. |
| 07:26.36 | JJOliver | just hope window server won't continue to break my rather crappy invertor software. |
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| 07:28.51 | unitypunk | how can i terminate a screen thats detached without resumeing it? |
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| 07:29.09 | liable | kill the process |
| 07:29.14 | dacs | howdy all |
| 07:29.24 | JJOliver | hay dacs. |
| 07:29.34 | unitypunk | i dont rember how to do that either.. |
| 07:29.56 | dacs | unitypunk: 'kill -9 procID |
| 07:30.01 | liable | kill, pkill, killall.. |
| 07:30.09 | unitypunk | screen itself or the process screen is running |
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| 07:30.15 | enouf | JJOliver: mission accomplished then |
| 07:30.21 | liable | the screen |
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| 07:30.39 | enouf | heh |
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| 07:30.55 | enouf | unitypunk: echo $$ |
| 07:31.01 | enouf | to get PID .. oh wait |
| 07:31.10 | enouf | you do NOT want to reattach ... nm |
| 07:31.20 | JJOliver | enouf: for now . . . yes |
| 07:31.20 | unitypunk | think i got it.. |
| 07:31.34 | enouf | gives it to unitypunk |
| 07:31.40 | unitypunk | nope.. |
| 07:31.49 | dacs | anyone here use gns3 |
| 07:31.51 | liable | pkill screen |
| 07:31.55 | enouf | takes it back and runs |
| 07:31.58 | unitypunk | its detached but when i go to it i cant do anything.. |
| 07:32.14 | unitypunk | pkill fixed me :) |
| 07:32.16 | enouf | pstree -lunap ftw |
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| 07:32.42 | liable | !fix unitypunk |
| 07:32.42 | dpkg | takes unitypunk to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 07:33.05 | JJOliver | !lart liable |
| 07:33.05 | dpkg | hereby declares liable a troll |
| 07:33.14 | JJOliver | Now that one actually worked! |
| 07:33.19 | liable | \o/ |
| 07:33.21 | dacs | !gns |
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| 07:33.59 | dacs | gns = graphical network simulator <--- a very good one |
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| 07:34.22 | dacs | take real cisco ios img |
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| 07:35.32 | dacs | liable: \O/ what does it me |
| 07:35.44 | dacs | \O/ a55 whole |
| 07:35.49 | dacs | :) |
| 07:36.03 | liable | 0_o |
| 07:36.12 | dacs | hhhahaha |
| 07:36.14 | boonyo | anyone know why a "-t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE" returns a "Line xx seems to have a -t table option." when setting up a firewall in iptables-restore format? |
| 07:36.21 | liable | maybe if your goatse dude |
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| 07:36.28 | unitypunk | http://unitypunk.pastebin.com/d178a1ad0 |
| 07:36.36 | unitypunk | anyone see something wrong in those lines? |
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| 07:37.03 | dacs | yep |
| 07:37.14 | unitypunk | oh yeah?> |
| 07:37.20 | dacs | u need to use [ ] instade of () |
| 07:37.27 | unitypunk | I didnt do anything. |
| 07:37.45 | unitypunk | it was fine untill i accidently opend two screens runnning the same bot. |
| 07:37.58 | unitypunk | where do i need brackets at? |
| 07:38.21 | dacs | unitypunk: shoot sorry i thought u are using shell scripting |
| 07:38.28 | enouf | boonyo: try ##networking or ##linux perhaps |
| 07:38.32 | dacs | my bad, i don't do php |
| 07:38.33 | unitypunk | oh |
| 07:38.36 | unitypunk | man.. |
| 07:38.38 | unitypunk | :( |
| 07:39.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, it's the top third of "\o/^J | ^J/ \^J" |
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| 07:39.33 | dysfunctional | anyone have any experience with tablets and debian |
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| 07:39.50 | dacs | unitypunk: i would think you need to remove the ) after the "all" |
| 07:40.11 | dysfunctional | my issue is .. i have no pen pressure sensitivity |
| 07:40.34 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: and wth is "\o/^J | ^J/ \^J" |
| 07:40.36 | dacs | :) |
| 07:40.52 | dbbolton | when i installed a deb for opera, it automatically added a file to sources.list.d but after removing this file it seems to have been automatically reinstated. how can i permanently remove opera's repositories from my sources ? |
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| 07:41.37 | Evet | is there a foobar-like music player for linux? |
| 07:41.46 | jelly-home | boonyo: look at the iptables-save output -- the table is specified with an *tablename line before its chain rules |
| 07:41.50 | valdyn | Evet: whats foobar? |
| 07:42.07 | Evet | valdyn, foobar2000 |
| 07:42.54 | valdyn | Evet: looks like itunes |
| 07:44.03 | Evet | valdyn, yeah. also looks like amarok. but foobar2000 works better |
| 07:44.19 | BoltPwer56 | For the life of me, where is sshd log files? |
| 07:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, cat > /dev/null and type away... with ^J=newline |
| 07:44.37 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: nowhere |
| 07:44.53 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: what are you looking for? |
| 07:44.54 | enouf | BoltPwer56: use -vvv |
| 07:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | dacs, an enthusiastic stick figure? |
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| 07:45.30 | BoltPwer56 | valdyn: logins |
| 07:45.42 | BoltPwer56 | enouf: use -vvv were? |
| 07:45.43 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:45.45 | enouf | try auth* |
| 07:45.55 | BoltPwer56 | thanks |
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| 07:46.11 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: thats the pam log, every login goes via pam |
| 07:46.56 | dacs | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't understand a thing |
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| 07:50.45 | enouf | valdyn: so long as shadow is chosen during installation, right? |
| 07:51.39 | BoltPwer56 | if sshd uses dns to resolve client hostnames, for what. I see when sshd can resolve the hostname, it does not put it in the log at it auth.log. then why? |
| 07:51.48 | enouf | BoltPwer56: the -vvv is an option to the ssh command |
| 07:52.24 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: sshd doesnt use dns |
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| 07:53.09 | dbbolton | how can i find out whether opera automatically adds a file to sources.list.d |
| 07:53.29 | unitypunk | i tihnk i broke this log file |
| 07:53.36 | unitypunk | should i just delete it? |
| 07:53.41 | unitypunk | see if the bot makes a new one? |
| 07:53.49 | BoltPwer56 | enouf: im use putty on a widnows host to connect to debain, and the password prompt was taking forever. don't use dns or add an entry into /etc/hosts problem goes away, but why resolve in the first place. |
| 07:54.00 | BoltPwer56 | i dont see any logs for sshd |
| 07:54.30 | enouf | BoltPwer56: all i know is kill anything avahi - i never used putty, and i don't use windows |
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| 07:54.59 | liable | avahi, ugh |
| 07:55.08 | enouf | possible your /etc/nsswitch.conf needs to have mdns{4} shit commented/removed |
| 07:55.13 | BoltPwer56 | enouf: configation is on the debain's side. |
| 07:55.42 | vinilios | how do i set python2.5 as default python version in debian etch ? |
| 07:55.43 | BoltPwer56 | i dont even know what avahi is |
| 07:55.54 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: theres (to sshd) known_hosts and authorized_keys. Both needs to be matched somehow |
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| 07:56.40 | xsdg | enouf: (not having any context whatsoever) avahi is awesome for networks without a DNS server |
| 07:56.44 | enouf | liable: that reminds me (sudo apt-get remove --purge avahi*) , thanks |
| 07:56.47 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 07:56.55 | AlHafoudh | hi all |
| 07:57.00 | BoltPwer56 | valdyn: both ins the /etc/ssh dir? |
| 07:57.00 | enouf | liable: i was having some net issues there for a moment |
| 07:57.03 | AlHafoudh | is there any irc channel for Amazon EC2 services? |
| 07:57.12 | liable | enouf: you cant win, so many retarded programs keep installing it |
| 07:57.14 | valdyn | BoltPwer56: in ~/.ssh/ |
| 07:57.31 | BoltPwer56 | valdyn: thanks |
| 07:57.35 | xsdg | liable: why would a program depend on avahi? |
| 07:57.38 | enouf | liable: i know .. it's so sad |
| 07:58.21 | liable | xsdg: its usually recommends. |
| 07:58.31 | enouf | liable: it's going to remove ALL my HP printing things and CUPS and other things (i'll just reinstall those) - but fuck it - i'm tired of fighting it |
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| 07:58.55 | xsdg | liable: aah. This is why I stopped installing packages-with-lots-of-dependencies with apt-get :o) |
| 07:59.05 | enouf | xsdg: that's nice |
| 07:59.20 | xsdg | enouf: hmm? |
| 07:59.28 | enouf | BoltPwer56: man ssh_config(5) |
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| 07:59.59 | enouf | xsdg: my response to your avahi statement to me |
| 08:00.15 | BoltPwer56 | enouf: for what? I have read that whole thing 2 or 3 times in the past |
| 08:00.18 | enouf | The following packages will be REMOVED: avahi-daemon* cups* cups-pdf* cupsys* foomatic-db-hpijs* hpijs* hpijs-ppds* hplip* hplip-cups* |
| 08:00.29 | enouf | POFS |
| 08:00.34 | BoltPwer56 | valdyn: I don't have a .ssh anywhere |
| 08:00.41 | liable | heh |
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| 08:00.59 | enouf | 4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 34 to remove and 648 not upgraded |
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| 08:02.22 | vinilios | how do i set python2.5 as default python version in debian etch ? |
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| 08:02.52 | enouf | liable: Restarting Hardware abstraction layer: hald |
| 08:02.55 | enouf | haha |
| 08:03.21 | liable | that fucking thing annoys the shit out of me too |
| 08:03.22 | valdyn | vinilios: python 2.5 is in etch? |
| 08:03.42 | enouf | BoltPwer56: then discard my recommendation, since you know it all |
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| 08:04.00 | vinilios | valdyn, http://packages.debian.org/etch/python2.5 |
| 08:04.01 | enouf | (but can't find the user's .ssh) |
| 08:04.08 | BoltPwer56 | enouf: will do. |
| 08:04.55 | valdyn | vinilios: making it default would break the system obviously |
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| 08:05.50 | vinilios | valdyn, how come ? |
| 08:05.52 | valdyn | vinilios: but you can divert /usr/bin/python and replace it with your own link |
| 08:06.09 | valdyn | vinilios: any python code in debian might rely on the default being 2.4 |
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| 08:07.28 | valdyn | vinilios: i dont actually know the differences between 2.4 and 2.5. This may work out or not. The point is that its not supported and untested by debian |
| 08:07.47 | vinilios | ic |
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| 08:09.16 | valdyn | vinilios: dpkg-divert /usr/bin/python ; then create your own symlink, in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin/, thats how it can be done anyway |
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| 08:28.47 | liable | wake up slackers |
| 08:29.04 | cahoot | sssh |
| 08:29.39 | ewook | hey, it's sysadmin-day, we deserve to slack. |
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| 08:30.07 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 08:30.07 | liable | pfft, you all just read websites all day every day anyway! |
| 08:30.07 | dpkg | <nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE? |
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| 08:31.13 | liable | enouf: what time is it in your neck of the woods? up early or not sleeping as usual? |
| 08:31.31 | enouf | 4:30 am ish |
| 08:31.39 | enouf | up early |
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| 08:31.47 | yang | I am wondering is this sun-java dependancy resolvable - http://pastebin.ca/1512543 ? |
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| 08:33.22 | enouf | liable: while trying to install the pkgs* that avahi removal --purging stole, the entire thing is broken - i guess i'll live without my printer for a few years ;-) |
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| 08:33.59 | liable | enouf: i have had broken cups for ages now too. cant be arsed trying to fix it |
| 08:34.11 | enouf | right |
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| 08:39.06 | enouf | liable: haha @; |
| 08:39.07 | enouf | Suggested packages: apache2 httpd java-compiler |
| 08:39.13 | enouf | ... |
| 08:39.18 | enouf | just stop right there .. |
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| 08:40.01 | liable | madness.. |
| 08:40.02 | enouf | liable: i will happily admit though, i do run unstable .. kind of ;-) |
| 08:41.07 | valdyn | yang: its not a dependency issue |
| 08:41.33 | yang | valdyn: I found this reference - http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/fb39f92cb772d6e5/8268ce217e987ff1?#8268ce217e987ff1 |
| 08:41.52 | themill | yang: you still struggling with this one? |
| 08:41.59 | enouf | liable: so i can't complain really ... it's the avahi depends (et al) that irk me a bit - that's all - no biggy |
| 08:42.07 | themill | btw my reading of 466661 is that it's not related |
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| 08:42.13 | yang | hello themill , yep :( |
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| 08:42.38 | Devjos | Hello All |
| 08:42.46 | Devjos | auth-config on debian how to ? |
| 08:42.56 | themill | yang: :( I never got a chance to look at your /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/java -- did you pastebin it? |
| 08:43.00 | yang | themill: It makes the upgrades of another packages problematic, it doesn't start dialog for those |
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| 08:43.56 | enouf | liable: got my hands on an older dual cpu xeon (2x 1.7G) workstation, it won't boot shit, except old DSL, win98 OEM, and grml - all DVD and floppy boots fail, as well as many newer CDs with various OSes, but i suspect using a newer isolinux |
| 08:44.12 | yang | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1513401 |
| 08:44.34 | enouf | liable: guess i could swap out the floppy and dvd drive and try again, but they both work, except for booting ;-) |
| 08:44.47 | liable | enouf: hmm, wonder why. tried playing with the ram? |
| 08:44.57 | enouf | liable: it's rdram, and yes |
| 08:45.02 | yang | enouf: Try a CD boot or netboot |
| 08:45.59 | enouf | liable: want to hear freaky? the BIOS/CMOS options suck, but, there's one called "OS Install mode" which automatically hides all RAM beyond the 256MB range |
| 08:46.12 | enouf | sick |
| 08:46.13 | yang | enouf: actually i never managed to boot of a DVD-rom, it seems to be unrecognisable by the BIOSes which I have |
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| 08:46.41 | enouf | yang: i always did/do - both with CDs and DVDs |
| 08:46.43 | liable | enouf: whats the thinking behind that? I dont get it. |
| 08:46.55 | enouf | liable: no freakin idea! |
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| 08:47.04 | enouf | liable: must be some Chipset limitation |
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| 08:48.11 | enouf | liable: oh, you probably figured out - yep, it's a Dell :-p |
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| 08:48.52 | enouf | i bet it's even very close to the time was shipping "proprietary" PSUs and Mobo connections |
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| 08:49.04 | enouf | time +that dell+ was ... |
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| 08:49.25 | themill | yang: you have some pretty old packages on that machine by the looks of it (gij-4.1 isn't even in lenny). I wonder if you've got some old crap there that's defining old alternatives. Can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~o"? |
| 08:49.29 | enouf | the PSU is actually within the case 'door' heh |
| 08:49.58 | liable | you get it out of someones bin? |
| 08:50.05 | enouf | indeed |
| 08:50.14 | liable | score! |
| 08:51.11 | enouf | when googling, i found out there's actually a great chance of cracking the motherboard if you leave the 'hinged door' (with it's PSU and other things) open .. wouldn't take long |
| 08:51.32 | enouf | (due to the weight twisting the case -- torque) |
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| 08:53.52 | enouf | haha liable "3. Lay the computer on its right side. |
| 08:54.15 | enouf | http://pompone.cs.ucsb.edu/admin/530_Workstation/2cover.htm#1148415 |
| 08:54.17 | liable | sounds like engineering genius.. |
| 08:54.18 | yang | themill: its an old installation, which went through different phases - sarge/lenny/squeeze - could we go into a query ? |
| 08:54.24 | themill | yang: in fact, you seem to have a 4.0 version of gij on there as well and that's the thing that's causing the problems. |
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| 08:55.23 | themill | yang: unless it's private information about your machine, it's easier to keep it in the channel, that way people like valdyn who have also been helping you can see what's going on and provide additional advice if needs be |
| 08:56.09 | yang | themill: ok, maybe we get additional ideas from other helpers then - http://pastebin.ca/1513413 |
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| 08:56.36 | enouf | liable: ahh .. better pic http://pompone.cs.ucsb.edu/admin/530_Workstation/2inside.htm#1034240 |
| 08:56.51 | enouf | liable: heh, indeed |
| 08:56.57 | vinilios | anyone knows how to install debian mod_wsgi package compiled with another python version (non system default) |
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| 08:57.05 | themill | yang: yikes... that's a lot of packages that no longer exist anywhere in debian. (/msg dpkg obsolete) |
| 08:57.37 | yang | themill: but why don't they get purged by the aptitude safe-upgrade ? |
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| 08:58.33 | yang | themill: the ones matching "i A" are obsolete now ? |
| 08:58.50 | yang | Do you suggest removing those |
| 08:58.51 | themill | yang: safe-upgrade never removes packages. full-upgrade only removes packages that cause conflicts so something needs to be done with them to solve a dependency problem. These are packages that have just disappeared from the archive (and a few locally installed packages that you made using either m-a or installed with dpkg -i) |
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| 08:59.18 | themill | yang: *all* the packages in that list are either obsolete or locally installed (m-a or dpkg -i) |
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| 08:59.36 | yang | ouch |
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| 09:00.26 | themill | don't get too happy removing them all just yet though. Some of them you might actually be using but not yet aware that they are obsolete (e.g. xmms is on that list) |
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| 09:00.58 | themill | yang: I *think* the problematic ones for you at the moment are the gcc 4.0 packages: gcc-4.0 g++-4.0 gij-4.0. Try removing those... hopefully apt will let you in its current state |
| 09:01.18 | yang | themill: I remember nvidia+nvidia kernel, then rt (wireless) those I have compiled |
| 09:01.45 | yang | themill: so its "aptitude remove gcc-4.0 g++-4.0 gij-4.0" |
| 09:02.12 | themill | yang: yeah, and cross your fingers |
| 09:02.38 | yang | http://pastebin.ca/1513421 |
| 09:03.04 | themill | yeah, kill that one off too |
| 09:04.28 | yang | themill: wow ! |
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| 09:04.51 | yang | themill: it's been resolved, congrats ! |
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| 09:05.20 | themill | yang: yay! |
| 09:05.48 | yang | themill: do the old packages (the obsolete ones) produce dependancy issues, if they remained on the system, is it better to remove them if not needed ? |
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| 09:08.04 | themill | yang: they normally don't produce issues like this, but occasionally they will. The Debian java maintainers never envisaged that someone would have gij-4.0 from sarge mixed with gij-4.3 from squeeze on the same box so they have incompatible configs. And because the sarge package is so old, it's probably never happened before and no-one will have thought to put a conflict against it. You probably should go through that list and remove things that you |
| 09:08.05 | themill | know you're not using. |
| 09:08.31 | valdyn | yang: old is not enough to make a problem, you had packages where no one ever tested that they conflict with new ones |
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| 09:10.24 | yang | okay, thanks again |
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| 09:11.32 | boonyo | if i want to use a computer as a gateway/firewall, do i need to ' echo "1" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, or will the iptables rules cover that anway? |
| 09:12.17 | petemc | boonyo: if its set to 0 you will need to, otherwise you wont |
| 09:12.21 | petemc | seems obvious really |
| 09:12.22 | et | you forgot a > there |
| 09:12.37 | boonyo | yes, there is an > missing |
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| 09:12.46 | yang | themill: but how can kde-core iceape-browser kdesktop kfax libgnome32 and other land in the obsolete packages, I thought they were installed through aptitude ? |
| 09:12.56 | boonyo | i just wasn't sure if iptables rules would cover that or not |
| 09:13.09 | themill | yang: some of that is going to be the kde 3.5 -> kde 4 transition |
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| 09:15.35 | Sevet | boonyo: running "sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" is also a nice way to set it |
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| 09:21.29 | boonyo | would net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects=0 and net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_source_route=0 be a bad thing to do on a gateway/firewall? |
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| 09:24.25 | valdyn | boonyo: you should edit /etc/sysctl.conf to enabled ip forwarding rather than write your own script |
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| 09:24.34 | microtux | hi, i have a probleme with the creation of a debian package, i can't get './configure --prefix=....' executed |
| 09:24.39 | microtux | any help ? |
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| 09:25.37 | boonyo | yeah thats what I'm doing. I'm editing that on the firewall/gateway and its got those lines in there, so I was wondering if I enabled those if I would deny computers on the lan access to the internet |
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| 09:27.35 | enouf | liable: remember i posted something like; "Restarting HAL ...." when i was --purging avahi? |
| 09:27.47 | enouf | liable: ouch! -> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m17c275e8 |
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| 09:28.12 | enouf | liable: i have a sudo pkill console-kit* in my /etc/rc.local "=_ |
| 09:28.15 | enouf | ;0 |
| 09:29.26 | enouf | liable: it's the _new_ avahi - hehe ... we've gotta stop this nonsense man ;-) |
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| 09:29.48 | yang | themill: Could you check this list http://pastebin.ca/1513596 and see if all packages can be removed without breaking anything - I do use bind there. |
| 09:29.56 | liable | wtf, iceweasel downloads that, then stupid kde wants me to open a .txt file with soffice! *bangs head on desk* |
| 09:30.45 | themill | liable: since when did iceweasel use kde associations? |
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| 09:31.28 | liable | themill: well, if youre going to nitpick, it probably doesn't |
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| 09:32.15 | themill | liable: that's one of my biggest gripes with it.... it has its own idea of what to do and doesn't bother to ask the DE its actually running in what it should do |
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| 09:32.56 | liable | why on earch it decided to download a .txt file and then open it in another application, i have nfc |
| 09:33.15 | liable | s/earch/earth/ |
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| 09:34.29 | themill | yang: the obsolete libraries are probably all safe to go unless you happen to have programs you've written or compiled yourself that use them (apt doesn't know about your locally compiled programs). Most of the things on that list are etch-only. |
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| 09:40.41 | enouf | liable: that, i think is set in k control center (3.5.x) |
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| 09:41.00 | nareshov | dpkg: xen |
| 09:41.00 | dpkg | somebody said xen was an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 09:42.58 | liable | enouf: i have the new shiny one. took me ages to realise during upgrade the fucker didn't install a new control centre thingo. |
| 09:43.41 | liable | and when I got it, it doesn't do what I want. I have to kill knoitfy4 every time I log in because it hogs the fucking soundcard. ugh |
| 09:44.57 | enouf | liable: i've washed my hands entirely of any / all DEs! no more bloat!! ;-) |
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| 09:47.27 | liable | i'm too lazy to spend three years writing a config for openbox :P |
| 09:47.44 | enouf | haha |
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| 09:50.54 | cusco | date --date=@70 +%H:%M:%S #says 1 hour and 1 minut and 10 seconds instead of 0 hours |
| 09:51.00 | cusco | why? |
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| 09:51.54 | nareshov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.59 | themill | cusco: add a "--utc" to your command |
| 09:54.15 | cusco | gotcha, but then it will display wrong ime |
| 09:54.18 | cusco | http://pastebin.com/m7ee9181d |
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| 09:58.01 | themill | cusco: you can get that little snippet to work using --utc in the last date command. But that's not really what "date" is designed for -- you probably want to be doing this in perl or python and using the strftime functions in them. See also "man time" and "help time". |
| 09:58.13 | jelly | cusco: why do you think it's displaying wrong time? Didn't you want it to convert a time differential in seconds to :%M:%S format? |
| 09:58.33 | jelly | hates xchat for parsing %H |
| 09:59.03 | cusco | jelly: yes, but started at "right time here" |
| 09:59.08 | cusco | ah hthe last date cmd |
| 09:59.09 | cusco | nevermind |
| 09:59.09 | cusco | lol |
| 09:59.12 | themill | (date/time functions are hard to get right) |
| 09:59.14 | cusco | let me try |
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| 09:59.30 | jelly | cusco: @70 means 70 seconds since epoch |
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| 09:59.40 | cusco | themill: yes, I get you but I really need bash in here |
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| 09:59.50 | cusco | jelly: yea |
| 09:59.58 | themill | cusco: this will also fail spectacularly twice per year when you have daylight savings time changes.... |
| 10:00.24 | jelly | themill: um, why? |
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| 10:01.24 | cusco | ok thank you folks |
| 10:01.33 | themill | jelly: end date will be before start date once per year; duration will be an hour too long once per year (if job is running while the TZ changes... who knows if this is designed for 2s jobs or longer jobs) |
| 10:01.49 | jelly | themill: he's saving all timestamps as unixtime seconds. |
| 10:02.27 | jelly | I see no issues. |
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| 10:04.16 | themill | jelly: ah yeah, he might get away with it for the duration, actually. it will be interesting to see how the H:M:S output handles the TZ shift though. |
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| 10:05.25 | jelly | with your utc fix for the difference, it should pretty much work out well |
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| 10:06.32 | pozic | How do I mount an ntfs file system with the usbmount package? I tried adding to the FILESYSTEMS variable ntfs and ntfs-3g, but neither worked. I also didn't see the debugging output anywher.e |
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| 10:11.28 | SURFkees | I've added a Conflicts section to my debian package control file but it's ignoring it when I install the package. |
| 10:11.48 | SURFkees | http://pastebin.com/d79e0c402 <-- This is my control file |
| 10:12.11 | SURFkees | Any idea why it ignores the version restrictions I have added when I do a "apt-get -s install" ? |
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| 10:15.30 | Maleko | hey guys..does pureftpd actually have option to hide symlinks? |
| 10:16.15 | thrashold | Can anyone suggest a guide on how to install Python 2.6 in sid? Something better than hunting down packages that install python modules and looking if they have a 2.6 version in apt? |
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| 10:17.44 | Devjos | authconfig-tui not avilable in debian 4 |
| 10:18.08 | Devjos | so any alternative avilable for thisin debian 4 |
| 10:18.20 | Devjos | ? |
| 10:18.48 | themill | SURFkees: I'll take a guess that it's because you don't actually have openvpn 2.1 on your machine but openvpn 2.1~rc11 or similar |
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| 10:21.20 | SURFkees | themill: True, the version currently in lenny is 2.1~rc11 |
| 10:21.39 | SURFkees | themill: But I was under the impression that you only had to specify the main version number? |
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| 10:22.12 | themill | 2.1~rc11 is the upstream version number. It's the debian revision that is optional (in this case, -1) |
| 10:22.48 | SURFkees | themill: Besides, I want it to conflict with any 2.1 version. I need 2.0* |
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| 10:31.54 | bob_f | Hullo. If I apt-get install python2.5, is there a way to then make "python-foo" packages be installed against 2.5 and not 2.4 ? |
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| 10:32.47 | Wooga | how can i install nl80211 driver for hostapd in debian? |
| 10:32.51 | babilen | hi all. i just tried switching sh to dash on squeeze and get spammed by cron now. Dash does not seem to handle "&>" very well ;-) |
| 10:33.11 | liable | Wooga: what chip is that driver for? never heard of it |
| 10:33.24 | enouf | pozic: try ntfsmount? |
| 10:33.29 | themill | bob_f: yes, upgrade to lenny |
| 10:33.31 | Wooga | liable: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 10:33.38 | babilen | is there any documentation (apart from the man page) which describes what else might be considered a "bashism" and how to switch from bash to dash? |
| 10:33.54 | bob_f | themill: Oh, damn, this is an ubuntu box. |
| 10:34.06 | babilen | or "how do i achieve "&>" output redirection in dash? |
| 10:34.07 | Wooga | b43 driver guys says, that hostapd should use nl80211 for working in master ap mode |
| 10:34.11 | themill | babilen: try "checkbashisms" from the devscripts package. |
| 10:34.12 | bob_f | themill: Sorry, thought I worked with sane people here. :) |
| 10:34.16 | themill | bob_f: hehe |
| 10:34.26 | bob_f | braces himself for #ubuntu |
| 10:34.26 | et | babilen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh has a list |
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| 10:34.29 | Wooga | but debian seems to not having this driver |
| 10:34.38 | liable | Wooga: hmm, i thought all the broadcoms were covered by the bcm drivers. have you taken a look at linuxwireless.org? |
| 10:34.57 | liable | Wooga: you might have to compile a wireless-testing kernel |
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| 10:35.33 | Wooga | liable: can you give a package name for lenny? |
| 10:36.15 | et | babilen: what are you doing with &>? |
| 10:36.19 | Devjos | any one have solution on authconfig on Debian |
| 10:36.24 | liable | Wooga: what do you mean? |
| 10:36.29 | Devjos | please tell me if |
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| 10:36.34 | Devjos | some one have |
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| 10:36.41 | bob_f | Huh, no, I got confused, it is a debian box ! And it's running lenny. |
| 10:36.46 | thrashold | I installed python2.6. How do I switch the python symlink and everything else? |
| 10:36.46 | Devjos | to know how to |
| 10:36.52 | Wooga | liable: you mean wireless-testing kernel... what is it? |
| 10:37.02 | Wooga | and if compile isn't it a soruce- package? |
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| 10:37.18 | babilen | et: thanks... "&>" redirects both stderr and stdout |
| 10:37.19 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 10:37.22 | Devjos | boyes i need help on this |
| 10:37.24 | DelphiWorld | please i'm realy impressed; |
| 10:37.37 | DelphiWorld | how i can build a custom tini debian based distro? |
| 10:37.38 | liable | Wooga: its a snapshot of the latest wireless stuff. go check out linuxwireless.org |
| 10:37.45 | themill | dpkg, no dash is a <POSIX> compliant shell that is much smaller than bash offering faster script execution and faster boot time. For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old installations, "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from devscripts and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 10:37.45 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 10:38.05 | pozic | enouf: I wanted it to work without starting Gnome and also hotpluggable. |
| 10:38.18 | babilen | et: guess it is equivalent to "> file 2>&1" |
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| 10:38.41 | et | should be in dash (not neccesarily on other shells) |
| 10:39.07 | bob_f | themill: So, if I'm running lenny, these packages should install against 2.5 ? |
| 10:39.30 | themill | bob_f: all lenny's python packages use python 2.5 by default, yes. |
| 10:39.55 | bob_f | Hmmmm. I wonder what's going on here. |
| 10:40.13 | Devjos | how can i install authconfig utility on debian 4 ? |
| 10:41.02 | enouf | pozic: oh well |
| 10:41.06 | DelphiWorld | answer me please! |
| 10:41.17 | DelphiWorld | i need to build a debian based Distro (tini) |
| 10:41.27 | themill | dpkg: tell DelphiWorld about cdd |
| 10:41.42 | Devjos | enouf: do you have any idea |
| 10:41.56 | enouf | !any idea |
| 10:41.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:42.32 | enouf | judd: versions authconfig |
| 10:42.35 | judd | enouf: authconfig -- |
| 10:42.59 | Devjos | i didnt get it from installtion cd |
| 10:43.00 | themill | bob_f: check the shehang line to see if the script is using #!/usr/bin/python2.4. Also check that the box is fully upgraded to lenny (what's the version of the "python" package for example and the output of "aptitude search ~U") |
| 10:43.26 | enouf | Devjos: i didn't get many things from my installation cd either |
| 10:43.30 | DelphiWorld | themill: :d |
| 10:43.33 | DelphiWorld | themill: thanks! |
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| 10:43.56 | themill | Devjos: debian doesn't have anything called "authconfig" or "authconfig-tui" where did you get these names from? What do these things do? The reason why no-one has answered you for the last couple of hours is that no-one has a clue what you're talking about |
| 10:44.03 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: tel me about pxe |
| 10:44.03 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:44.14 | enouf | DelphiWorld: take a peek at linux-live.org perhaps as well |
| 10:44.14 | enouf | IIRC |
| 10:44.17 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: boot from network |
| 10:44.17 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 10:44.27 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: rtfm? |
| 10:44.27 | dpkg | hmm... rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 10:44.38 | enouf | DelphiWorld: stop |
| 10:44.42 | Devjos | themill: OK |
| 10:44.42 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: thanks |
| 10:44.42 | dpkg | de rien, DelphiWorld |
| 10:44.59 | DelphiWorld | themill: is speaking french awel! |
| 10:45.02 | DelphiWorld | themill: :D |
| 10:45.18 | themill | DelphiWorld: you can "/msg dpkg" too. |
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| 10:45.57 | Devjos | themill: i installl ldap-clinet with nss and pam , on debian 4 |
| 10:46.24 | DelphiWorld | themill: realy Awesome bot! |
| 10:46.25 | themill | Devjos: don't tell me... ask the channel |
| 10:46.28 | DelphiWorld | themill: very helpfull! |
| 10:46.35 | Devjos | themill: OK |
| 10:46.37 | bob_f | themill: Yeah, probably just some transition issues - should be able to figure it out. Thanks for the help. :) |
| 10:46.48 | themill | bob_f: happy hunting |
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| 10:46.54 | Devjos | themill: so any other alterante command |
| 10:46.59 | DelphiWorld | themill: how i can tren it about another package? |
| 10:47.02 | Devjos | for authconfig |
| 10:47.20 | Devjos | OK |
| 10:47.21 | bob_f | themill: \o/ I win. |
| 10:47.30 | Devjos | themill: thank you |
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| 10:52.07 | DelphiWorld | i added freeswitch to the DPKG bot! |
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| 10:55.57 | DelphiWorld | cdd don't work with debian4? |
| 10:55.58 | DelphiWorld | only 5? |
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| 11:05.25 | negge | what the hell is up with mysql.com? |
| 11:05.30 | negge | haven't been able to access it for days. |
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| 11:12.37 | DelphiWorld | please tel me about the actual Op in this channel |
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| 11:12.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:15.42 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: hello |
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| 11:16.04 | abrotman | hi? |
| 11:16.57 | DelphiWorld | [ abrotman has left |
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| 11:16.57 | DelphiWorld | [ abrotman/ I CREATED A NEW CHANNEL for debian VoIp users that use asterisk, freeswitch and YATE/other PBX/Softswitch/SIP Proxy |
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| 11:17.07 | DelphiWorld | [ abrotman: please coul you add dpkg to it? |
| 11:17.11 | DelphiWorld | i will op you and all debian ops |
| 11:17.18 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: try #debian-voip on OFTC |
| 11:17.43 | DelphiWorld | what is OFTC? |
| 11:17.48 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:18.38 | EugenMayer | does lenny support ZFS out of boot time? |
| 11:18.48 | abrotman | it's a FUSE thing, not a kernel thing |
| 11:18.54 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: it's on OFTC .. not here |
| 11:19.59 | DelphiWorld | debian ops: please joind #debian-voip |
| 11:20.04 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: stop it |
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| 11:20.25 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: the channel is on OFTC .. creating another channel here isn't likely to be useful |
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| 11:21.06 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ok |
| 11:21.31 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: maybe you should go check out the channel before creating a duplicate |
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| 11:22.03 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: but i want it in freenode |
| 11:22.12 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: re give me the channel and irc server |
| 11:22.36 | abrotman | i just did .. #debian-voip on irc.oftc.net (AKA irc.debian.org) |
| 11:22.57 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: PM it to me please i can't read it easyly here i have a accessibility problem |
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| 11:23.17 | abrotman | you don't seem to have a problem reading ... |
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| 11:24.08 | DelphiWorld | irc.oftc.net: because i'm clearing the screen evrie time |
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| 11:24.33 | EugenMayer | abrotman: what FS would you recommened on lenny for a server, which will host several VMs ( quadcore ) |
| 11:24.43 | abrotman | if you have to ask, ext3 |
| 11:24.49 | EugenMayer | its only a raid 1 with normal SATA drives, so no SAS or anything |
| 11:25.38 | EugenMayer | abrotman: i mean, looking at ext4, it seems problematic on cases you can sync, same for XFS. reiserfs4 is quite broken and ZFS is "solaris only" |
| 11:25.49 | abrotman | zfs is not solaris only |
| 11:25.53 | EugenMayer | can sync/cant sync/ |
| 11:26.12 | EugenMayer | abrotman: but the linux support is still experimental, or? |
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| 11:26.31 | abrotman | no idea, i don't use it |
| 11:26.34 | abrotman | !zfs |
| 11:26.34 | dpkg | [zfs] http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
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| 11:27.02 | EugenMayer | so you recommen ext3 or more like "if you have no clue, use ext3" ? |
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| 11:27.40 | abrotman | the latter |
| 11:27.51 | abrotman | if you don't have a good reason not to .. |
| 11:28.00 | EugenMayer | hmm, IO performance? |
| 11:28.19 | abrotman | you never said what the server was going to do other than host VMs .. |
| 11:28.34 | EugenMayer | yeah i mean, but this could be IO-Dependend |
| 11:28.47 | EugenMayer | on normal SATA drives without raid5 or raid0 |
| 11:28.52 | abrotman | okay .. and you've tested ext3 and found it to be lacking when running the FS for hosted VMs ? |
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| 11:29.38 | EugenMayer | well i have an etch server with 4 VMs it actually sucks big time, but this could have other reasons (CPU AMD 5800+ / 2GB ram ) |
| 11:29.50 | EugenMayer | and the host himself is quite busy with MYSQL and apache requests |
| 11:30.03 | abrotman | just a single core? and how much RAM is allocated to the VMs? |
| 11:30.05 | cydork | EugenMayer: zfs on linux is with currenty implemented with fuse.. and it's no where near to production use. |
| 11:30.21 | EugenMayer | cydork: yeah, thats what i have read. Thank you anywaay |
| 11:30.35 | abrotman | there are similar .. like btrfs .. but no idea how ready that is |
| 11:30.38 | EugenMayer | abrotman: pseudo-AMD dualcore |
| 11:30.41 | liable | cydork speaks! |
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| 11:30.50 | abrotman | wtf is psuedo-AMD ? |
| 11:30.59 | abrotman | knows what pseubodot is ... |
| 11:31.01 | EugenMayer | AMD-pesudo dualcore |
| 11:31.04 | cydork | liable: yes at times. |
| 11:31.10 | EugenMayer | its that x2 architevture |
| 11:31.15 | liable | cydork: been a while :P |
| 11:31.26 | EugenMayer | does not give you much "dual core" as the bus is bad |
| 11:31.42 | abrotman | EugenMayer: i think you meant AMD pseudo-dualcore |
| 11:31.46 | EugenMayer | yes. |
| 11:31.58 | abrotman | though it is actually dual-core .. unlike the intel hyper-threading |
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| 11:32.17 | EugenMayer | well the new one is quadcore + HT |
| 11:32.37 | abrotman | HT is garbage .. disable it |
| 11:32.48 | EugenMayer | Seriuosly? |
| 11:32.56 | abrotman | !ht |
| 11:32.56 | dpkg | somebody said ht was HyperThreading, a technology from Intel included in all CPUs from the P4. On P4 chips it shows up as a second processor, on later chips it is only an extention. You must install a -686-smp kernel to use it. |
| 11:33.04 | abrotman | bah .. doesn't say it! |
| 11:33.15 | Imran-UK | abrotman, why garbage? |
| 11:33.17 | abrotman | EugenMayer: are you sure it's really hyperthreading ? |
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| 11:33.27 | abrotman | because it tries to act like two CPUs .. but it isn't ? |
| 11:33.29 | inckie | abrotman yes |
| 11:33.41 | EugenMayer | abrotman: Intel® Core⢠i7-920 Quad-Core |
| 11:33.57 | inckie | 4 core, and 4 logic cores |
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| 11:34.03 | abrotman | inckie: that's different |
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| 11:34.30 | EugenMayer | abrotman: so you think, i should disable it? |
| 11:35.05 | abrotman | i would |
| 11:35.10 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 11:35.19 | EugenMayer | Ok. And for the FS you would rather go for ext3? |
| 11:35.30 | abrotman | EugenMayer: i'm not telling you to disable your SMP .. just the hyperthreading stuff |
| 11:35.41 | xeon-enouf | anyone notice my nick :-P |
| 11:35.43 | petemc | why disable hyperthreading? |
| 11:35.46 | abrotman | EugenMayer: you haven't said enough to make me think you should use another FS |
| 11:36.01 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: we already have a user named enouf .. i don't think he'd be very happy about you masquerading as him |
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| 11:36.18 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, it's me ... |
| 11:36.25 | abrotman | petemc: because you're actually causing more work for the CPU without any benefit |
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| 11:36.36 | EugenMayer | abrotman: everything i wonder about is, if the CPU is faster then the IO by numbers. I mean, so everything what stops the system is IO |
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| 11:36.41 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: don't jest .. he'll get angry and ask me to ban you |
| 11:36.53 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, on my other machine - dual cpu xeon |
| 11:37.02 | xeon-enouf | livecd |
| 11:37.04 | cadu | xeon-enouf: which he'll hapilly do. been there done that ;D |
| 11:37.07 | cadu | abrotman: ;d |
| 11:37.07 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: dual 500Mhz Xeons ? :) |
| 11:37.13 | xeon-enouf | knoppix 3.9 boots liable ! |
| 11:37.29 | cadu | one xeon is oughta be enouf for anyone! |
| 11:37.33 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: please, try !freeswitch |
| 11:37.42 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: no thanks |
| 11:37.48 | liable | xeon-enouf: sweet, debootstrap away! |
| 11:37.59 | abrotman | why not just use a regular lenny installer? |
| 11:38.05 | xeon-enouf | how the heck does one hide all these darn JOINS PARTS QUITS in xchat? |
| 11:38.07 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i want to change it how to? |
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| 11:38.13 | xeon-enouf | lindeed |
| 11:38.15 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 11:38.17 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: please use #debian-voip on OFTC |
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| 11:38.23 | xeon-enouf | liable, indeed ;-) |
| 11:38.50 | liable | lol, abrotman you're a shit stirrer |
| 11:38.52 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, dual 1.7G xeons |
| 11:39.02 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: with 128MB RAM? |
| 11:39.18 | xeon-enouf | a tad more abrotman ;-) |
| 11:39.24 | abrotman | 4GB! |
| 11:39.32 | xeon-enouf | like 4x as much :-P |
| 11:39.33 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: now you can run KDE4! |
| 11:39.54 | abrotman | wait .. you ahve dual P4 1.7Ghz Xeons .. and only 512MB RAM ? |
| 11:39.57 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, actually kde 3.4.0 is just about right on this |
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| 11:40.12 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, rdram - might have some more around |
| 11:40.17 | cadu | abrotman: KDE4 or half-Vista! yaaaaaaaaay! |
| 11:40.22 | abrotman | oh .. i wonder if that's one of those boards where you have to add in pairs .. or even more icky .. it could be Rambus junk |
| 11:40.32 | EugenMayer | cadu: vista need 1TB ram wasnt it? |
| 11:40.45 | cadu | EugenMayer: last time i checked it was in this ballpark, yeah. |
| 11:40.49 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, still won't stop until i use my WOPR! |
| 11:40.51 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
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| 11:41.06 | xeon-enouf | said that weird ... |
| 11:41.10 | EugenMayer | cadu: hehe |
| 11:41.13 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: well .. welcome to the 00s .. they're almost over |
| 11:41.16 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:41.17 | DelphiWorld | bye |
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| 11:41.29 | abrotman | wtf was that guy on ... |
| 11:41.34 | xeon-enouf | so - anybody using xchat? HOw to disable all these JOINS pARTS QUITS ? |
| 11:41.49 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: right click on the tab |
| 11:41.50 | liable | miranda? |
| 11:41.58 | xeon-enouf | i've been through preferences obviously |
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| 11:42.14 | xeon-enouf | abrotman, ahh .. thanks |
| 11:42.14 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: where it says like "#debian >" the sub menu has a Show parts/joins |
| 11:42.23 | xeon-enouf | got it, yep |
| 11:42.52 | abrotman | tells the kde kiddies that enouf is using gtk apps |
| 11:42.53 | xeon-enouf | ahhh .. much quieter, like my irssi now... |
| 11:43.09 | liable | gtk is for grownups? |
| 11:43.22 | abrotman | trix are for kids? |
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| 11:45.21 | xeon-enouf | hah - 2.6.11 doesn't have lspci -nn showing also the standard lspci output |
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| 11:45.40 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: good channel, thankqs |
| 11:45.44 | xeon-enouf | erm .. right, procps? or is it pciutils? .. hrm |
| 11:45.56 | xeon-enouf | thinks the latter |
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| 11:49.04 | liable | tis the latter |
| 11:49.19 | xeon-enouf | righto |
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| 11:51.19 | xeon-enouf | cydork, wow ... nice to see ya - BTW, how's btrfs doing (vs ZFS) |
| 11:51.36 | cydork | xeon-enouf: on linux much better :) |
| 11:51.53 | xeon-enouf | cydork, it's me enouf (in case you haven't figured that out :-P) |
| 11:52.03 | xeon-enouf | cydork, hah |
| 11:52.14 | cydork | xeon-enouf: yes i know |
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| 11:52.33 | xeon-enouf | ok, so why is xchat now spamming me with tab-completion possibilities .. ugh! |
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| 11:54.33 | oxi | hi |
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| 11:55.18 | xeon-enouf | wait .. automatic nick completion? (when hovering over that - the toolbar help says; "Completes nicknames withOUT using the TAB key" wtf is up with that? |
| 11:55.19 | oxi | I'm interested in the tomcat6 package for squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/tomcat6 |
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| 11:55.41 | xeon-enouf | thought is was asking "would you like to use tab-completion" .. heh |
| 11:55.42 | oxi | there's a dependency on adduser |
| 11:55.55 | oxi | how do I know which user us created and how? |
| 11:56.12 | Titan8990 | oxi, cat /etc/passwd? |
| 11:56.12 | xeon-enouf | crap .. nope - still doing it ... |
| 11:56.19 | oxi | is there a script in the .deb package which is executed by default? |
| 11:56.38 | oxi | Titan8990: hmm, I'd like to find out before I install the package |
| 11:56.53 | EugenMayer | abrotman: what kernel do i actually choose? -amd64? |
| 11:56.57 | jelly | oxi: you can download the package and inspect its contents and control files |
| 11:57.06 | oxi | jelly: that's what I did |
| 11:57.11 | Titan8990 | oxi, well, dpkg -c will show its contents |
| 11:57.14 | xeon-enouf | oxi: you can't have adduser installed? |
| 11:57.25 | oxi | jelly: but I don't yet understand where it's triggered that a user is added |
| 11:57.26 | xeon-enouf | oxi: sure it's not a recommends? |
| 11:57.37 | abrotman | EugenMayer: you can |
| 11:57.41 | jelly | oxi: the control files. |
| 11:57.49 | Titan8990 | oxi, adduser is the debian way |
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| 11:57.57 | jelly | oxi: have you taken a look at them? |
| 11:57.59 | oxi | jelly: ok, thanks, I'll look into that |
| 11:58.08 | oxi | jelly: yes |
| 11:58.12 | jelly | oxi: and? |
| 11:58.34 | actionhank | is there a way to install things with apt-get for only my own user (since I do not have root privileges)? |
| 11:58.34 | oxi | jelly: I don't understand which file triggers the adduser |
| 11:58.34 | EugenMayer | abrotman: anything might be better? |
| 11:58.36 | v4nelle | guys if i want to mixing debian testing with unstable,which pinning level is better for unstable?100? |
| 11:58.42 | jelly | oxi: you didn't find any mention of adduser in any of those? |
| 11:59.00 | oxi | jelly: not yet |
| 11:59.36 | xeon-enouf | v4nelle: that sounds reasonable, you could also go all the way down to 1 if you like |
| 11:59.49 | jelly | oxi: so, you unpacked the control files somewhere, did a grep adduser on them, and there's nothing? |
| 11:59.52 | oxi | jelly: which file would you suspect does an adduser?: http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/all/tomcat6/filelist |
| 12:00.12 | xeon-enouf | does an adduser? |
| 12:00.16 | oxi | jelly: hmm, I guess I don't yet know how to do a recursive grep over the files |
| 12:00.23 | xeon-enouf | are you thinking of the .postinst ? |
| 12:00.23 | jelly | oxi: uh... download the package and look at the control file _contents_ |
| 12:00.25 | v4nelle | xeon-enouf, i mean 100 vs 300! |
| 12:00.25 | oxi | jelly: thanks, I'll look into thtat |
| 12:00.39 | xeon-enouf | v4nelle: start low |
| 12:00.45 | oxi | jelly: I see, thanks! |
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| 12:01.08 | oxi | jelly: I guess my extraction tool omitted that control file |
| 12:01.25 | oxi | jelly: I'll look for another ar extraction tool |
| 12:01.30 | oxi | jelly: thanks a lot |
| 12:01.37 | jelly | oxi: dpkg --control foo.deb somedir/ |
| 12:01.41 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: speaking of HT ;-) |
| 12:01.45 | oxi | jelly: great |
| 12:01.52 | xeon-enouf | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm |
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| 12:02.18 | xeon-enouf | crap . .. you have to actually select Copy inside konsole, to middle-click paste in xchat ... uff |
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| 12:03.07 | xeon-enouf | atleast with grml., i had a good poking around using dmidecode |
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| 12:05.17 | xeon-enouf | ugh CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled |
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| 12:06.05 | Evet | How can I download and install Apache, via terminal? |
| 12:06.22 | jelly | do my eyes spot an enouf in disguise! |
| 12:06.27 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: they all have it now |
| 12:06.39 | abrotman | Evet: aptitude install apache2 |
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| 12:07.32 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: you want it to be disabled |
| 12:07.55 | Evet | abrotman, thank you. same for php5 and mysql? |
| 12:08.34 | abrotman | Evet: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server .. should get those |
| 12:08.42 | cydork | Evet: check /msg dpkg install php |
| 12:08.47 | cydork | damn lag.. |
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| 12:09.14 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: well, i know it causes issues for some, and this is a dell, so you know the BIOS sucks (though not the Adaptec SCSI Onboard controller's one), so, i couldn't even Disable/Enable in the BIOS |
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| 12:09.22 | Evet | i dont want to use lamp, abrotman |
| 12:09.26 | Evet | ty cydork |
| 12:09.36 | abrotman | Evet: you just asked for php5 and mysql .. |
| 12:10.10 | Evet | thank you anyway |
| 12:10.57 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: but i wanted to use this as somewhat of a media server ... so i think HT, would/could've helped, i haven't followed all through the kernel devel, what they've been doing concerning these MP machines vs DualCore |
| 12:11.09 | abrotman | i doubt it .. |
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| 12:15.16 | yusuf | I have installed debian lenny |
| 12:15.25 | yusuf | I get the following message |
| 12:15.37 | yusuf | Failed to start xserver |
| 12:16.14 | yusuf | I have an ATI hd 4350 |
| 12:16.22 | yusuf | anyone to help? |
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| 12:17.23 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: remember though, this is a 2.6.11 of knoppix i'm on ATM .. turns out the 1 HDD that was in it was an IBM DeathStar :-P |
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| 12:18.38 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: and it's SAS ? |
| 12:18.51 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: it's 100GB ? |
| 12:20.39 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: no, it as IDE - 20GB - obviously the 'real' disks were removed, prior to them tossing this beast into the bin |
| 12:20.47 | xeon-enouf | s/as/was/ |
| 12:20.55 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 12:21.07 | abrotman | too bad the onboard adaptec probably isn't that useful |
| 12:21.20 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: yeah, only Wide 160 |
| 12:21.31 | abrotman | that's nto the point .. i meant it probably doesn't do any RAID |
| 12:21.33 | xeon-enouf | unless - i can find cheap disks |
| 12:21.44 | xeon-enouf | i think it does - but not sure |
| 12:21.53 | xeon-enouf | wait ... |
| 12:22.09 | abrotman | you could probably get a lot of disks off ebay for cheap .. but if it's not RAID .. not sure it'd be worth it instead of getting a SATA controller and using that |
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| 12:22.17 | abrotman | (unless there's a backplane and a drive cage) |
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| 12:27.46 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i guess no hrardware raid; http://pompone.cs.ucsb.edu/admin/530_Workstation/2drives.htm#1149169 |
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| 12:29.00 | xeon-enouf | the IDE bus does/will use ultraATA/100 |
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| 12:32.37 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 12:35.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !ping |
| 12:35.23 | dpkg | Yes, jpinx-eeepc, you are online. |
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| 12:38.00 | abrotman | ranix: better ? |
| 12:38.15 | liable | oh, yay. i forgot about that |
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| 12:39.26 | DelphiWorld | please what about dfsbuild |
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| 12:42.28 | Phil4 | if unhide is telling me I have hidden processes, how does one unhide those? :S |
| 12:42.30 | Phil4 | or at least see what they are |
| 12:43.17 | ranix | mic check |
| 12:43.26 | ranix | much, thanks abrotman |
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| 12:44.41 | DelphiWorld | !dpkg dfsbuild |
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| 12:44.57 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: dfsbuild |
| 12:44.57 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 12:45.55 | sanxiyn | dfsbuild builds dfs? |
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| 12:46.30 | xeon-enouf | Phil4: are you referring to bootup messages saying /lib/init/rw (or somesuch) processes will be hidden? |
| 12:46.55 | DelphiWorld | sanxiyn: i see that dfsbuild is used to build a debian CUSTOM CD |
| 12:46.56 | sanxiyn | xeon-enouf: Phil4 said unhide. |
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| 12:47.01 | Phil4 | a brute force scan with unhide shows a number of hidden PIDs |
| 12:47.07 | Phil4 | I would like to know exactly what they are |
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| 12:47.17 | sanxiyn | Phil4: I don't know how. |
| 12:47.57 | Phil4 | Found HIDDEN PID: 17534 |
| 12:47.58 | Phil4 | etc. |
| 12:48.03 | sanxiyn | xeon-enouf: apt-cache show unhide |
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| 12:51.32 | franciswhite | What do you think of fedora 11? |
| 12:51.45 | xeon-enouf | ugh |
| 12:51.50 | Phil4 | I think this is #debian |
| 12:51.51 | Phil4 | lol |
| 12:52.05 | franciswhite | Oh. Debian then? |
| 12:52.06 | Phil4 | hrmmm |
| 12:52.17 | Phil4 | each time I run unhide, it shows different hidden PIDs |
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| 12:52.30 | xeon-enouf | is selinux enabled? |
| 12:52.39 | Phil4 | I think it just checks badly and doesn't take into account fast changing processes like shell scripts |
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| 12:52.48 | Phil4 | no, xeon-enouf |
| 12:53.18 | sanxiyn | franciswhite: Debian is great. |
| 12:53.21 | Incarus | im using 2.6.26-2-686 kernel in debian lenny. isnt that unsafe? |
| 12:53.24 | sanxiyn | Could be better, of course. |
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| 12:53.40 | sanxiyn | Incarus: Why? |
| 12:54.04 | abrotman | Incarus: security fixes get backported .. /msg dpkg dsa |
| 12:54.14 | Incarus | abrotman, ok, thx |
| 12:54.25 | xeon-enouf | sanxiyn: i can't really search/show atm .. but point taken |
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| 12:55.01 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1916&key=0e943299a793e |
| 12:55.03 | Phil4 | that's 3 runs |
| 12:55.14 | Phil4 | I think unhide is just smoking something it shouldn't be |
| 12:55.15 | Phil4 | heh |
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| 12:55.45 | EugenMayer | for lenny, where do i get the gcc- 4.1.3 version of the compiler? |
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| 12:56.00 | EugenMayer | VMware needs the same gcc version for comp. the modules, which was used for the kernel |
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| 12:56.15 | brucewillisnapol | ciao |
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| 12:57.34 | Phil4 | EugenMayer, there's a gcc-4.1 package |
| 12:57.34 | ajavid | good morning |
| 12:57.48 | asg | EugenMayer: the best way to get the necessary bits for compiling vmware modules for a stock debian kernel is to use module-assistant and run m-a prepare |
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| 12:57.59 | Evet | how can I start/stop apache server? |
| 12:58.00 | Phil4 | it's 4.1.2, by the looks of it |
| 12:58.09 | Incarus | and second question: is debian testing missing security fixes? is lenny (stable) safer? |
| 12:58.14 | ajavid | Evet, /etc/init.d/apache start|stop|restart |
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| 12:58.41 | ajavid | asg, won't work on lenny |
| 12:58.51 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: yo |
| 12:58.52 | ajavid | asg, it fails to build |
| 12:59.11 | asg | ajavid: oh, that's utterly lame. |
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| 12:59.13 | ajavid | asg, require .29+ and a certain patch |
| 12:59.16 | Evet | ajavid, "-bash: /etc/init.d/apach: No such file or directory" |
| 12:59.19 | Ace2017_- | hi |
| 12:59.24 | ajavid | patch vmware module source and then it builds |
| 12:59.28 | ajavid | took me a solid week to figure out |
| 12:59.31 | ajavid | on lenny |
| 12:59.38 | sanxiyn | Incarus: Yes, Debian testing is not security-supported by the security team. |
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| 12:59.47 | Incarus | sanxiyn, ok |
| 12:59.51 | cahoot | Evet: spot the typo |
| 12:59.51 | ajavid | Evet, as root, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 12:59.56 | sanxiyn | Incarus: On the other hand, some other people are: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 13:00.00 | ajavid | and typo too |
| 13:00.08 | ajavid | you need e at the end of apache |
| 13:00.08 | Incarus | sanxiyn, so using lenny is safer? |
| 13:00.27 | sanxiyn | Incarus: Yes. |
| 13:00.30 | xeon-enouf | from a security perspective, sure |
| 13:00.36 | Incarus | sanxiyn, ok, thx |
| 13:00.38 | ajavid | good morning xeon-enouf |
| 13:00.49 | Evet | ajavid, "-bash: /etc/init.d/apache: No such file or directory" |
| 13:00.50 | Ace2017_- | anyone know how to make this recursive? find . -type f -iname *.c -exec ls {} \; |
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| 13:00.52 | ajavid | drinks milk |
| 13:00.56 | xeon-enouf | Incarus: if you care to - read harden-doc pkg contents |
| 13:00.58 | Evet | cahoot, im root |
| 13:01.02 | ajavid | Evet, as root |
| 13:01.06 | ajavid | Evet, is apache installed? |
| 13:01.07 | Evet | yes, as root |
| 13:01.09 | Incarus | xeon-enouf, ok |
| 13:01.11 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: mornin ;-) |
| 13:01.14 | liable | points ajavid to twitter |
| 13:01.18 | Evet | ajavid, installed and working |
| 13:01.29 | ajavid | Evet, and you're on debian? |
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| 13:01.33 | Evet | ajavid, yes |
| 13:01.37 | ajavid | are you sure? |
| 13:01.42 | Evet | ajavid, of course |
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| 13:01.47 | ajavid | just making sure |
| 13:02.00 | xeon-enouf | Incarus: also, Stable is also more secure and well 'stable', because the software really doesn't change much, over it's life cycle |
| 13:02.03 | ajavid | Evet, and you continue to get this error message when restarting apache using init.d |
| 13:02.05 | asg | Evet: /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop |
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| 13:02.20 | ajavid | oh seriously... I just tab |
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| 13:02.26 | ajavid | I didn't even realize it is now apache2 |
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| 13:02.37 | ajavid | that'll about do it |
| 13:02.45 | mark___ | does anyone know anything about using debian as a NAT router? |
| 13:02.57 | ajavid | !router |
| 13:02.58 | dpkg | hmm... router is A device that bridges an internal network to another network. Take a ferry as an example: cars that need to go to the other side of a body of water (another network) need to use the ferry (the router). If they want to stay on their side, they simply don't go on the ferry. Also a device used to bridge a computer to a long distance digital communications network, such as ISDN. |
| 13:03.29 | ajavid | should be something in the factoids I think I remember a link to a debian router setup using iptables |
| 13:03.31 | Evet | ajavid, thanks, this command works. But I got an error, Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 188.40.78.20 for ServerName |
| 13:03.31 | Evet | httpd (pid 6509) already running |
| 13:03.52 | ajavid | Evet, go to your vhost and make a ServerName entry |
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| 13:04.11 | mark___ | well i'm having an issue with a SIP ata.. in tcpdump on the router machine the packets are going out.. on the asterisk server the packets are being sent back to the local ip rather than the wan ip |
| 13:04.14 | ajavid | Evet, you can also make it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 13:04.16 | mark___ | is that a router problem |
| 13:04.27 | ajavid | Evet, or in your vhost config, you need a ServerName directive |
| 13:04.31 | enouf | ahh ok |
| 13:04.47 | enouf | who was that xeon-enouf guy? :-p |
| 13:05.03 | Ace2017 | i think it was you |
| 13:05.08 | mark___ | i'll put my fw config in a pastebin |
| 13:05.08 | mark___ | 2secs |
| 13:05.09 | ajavid | I love milk |
| 13:05.15 | enouf | Ace2017: you are so perceptive ;-) |
| 13:05.27 | ajavid | is paste.debian.net packaged? |
| 13:05.30 | asg | :milk ajavid |
| 13:05.32 | ajavid | is there a pastebin script? |
| 13:05.32 | asg | doh |
| 13:05.37 | asg | !milk ajavid |
| 13:05.37 | dpkg | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, ajavid, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 13:05.38 | Ace2017 | anyone know how to make this recursive? find . -type f -iname *.c -exec ls {} \; |
| 13:05.48 | asg | Ace2017: find is recursive by default |
| 13:05.57 | enouf | ajavid: there's live subcommittee hearing going on now on c-span3 |
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| 13:06.03 | Ace2017 | asg: so why isn't it recursive now? |
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| 13:06.20 | Ace2017 | wait, does the -iname effect the folder names too? |
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| 13:06.22 | mark___ | http://pastebin.ca/1513717 |
| 13:06.33 | ajavid | use fname |
| 13:06.53 | enouf | yahoo, google, etc reps - talking about optin/optout stuffs - actually ajavid it's not live, i've seen this already, but they usually show you and tell you the orig broadcast date and such |
| 13:06.54 | ajavid | inventions |
| 13:07.05 | Ace2017 | ajavid: it said there is no fname |
| 13:07.11 | microtux | hi, i have a probleme with the creation of a debian package, i can't get './configure --prefix=....' executed correctlu, any help ? |
| 13:07.12 | ajavid | Ace2017, lame joke man |
| 13:07.18 | Ace2017 | oh |
| 13:07.19 | ajavid | thought you'da gotten it |
| 13:07.20 | enouf | asg: heh |
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| 13:07.24 | ajavid | my bad. |
| 13:07.43 | ajavid | microtux, be more specific |
| 13:07.49 | iddo | anyone knows how to get ssh-agent to work at login with another windowmanager instead of using gnome-session? |
| 13:07.58 | Evet | ajavid, what should I write as ServerName entry, anything? |
| 13:08.07 | ajavid | Evet, anything |
| 13:08.12 | Titan8990_ | iddo, are you kidding me? |
| 13:08.13 | asg | iddo: just start it from ~/.xsession |
| 13:08.18 | ajavid | Evet, obviously you can just say ServerName localhost |
| 13:08.28 | ajavid | Evet, or your fqdn |
| 13:08.33 | Titan8990_ | iddo, you were here yesterday asking the same question which you got replies to |
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| 13:08.50 | iddo | Titan8990_: yes i still havent managed to solve it |
| 13:09.13 | mark___ | i've got the following config on my debian router (http://pastebin.ca/1513717 - eth1 = wan / eth0 = lan) and i have a voip ATA attached to the debian box. It sends its packets via the debian box (as noted in tcpdump) and they get to the asterisk server but the asterisk server tries to route them back to the ATA's local IP anyone know where the problem lies? |
| 13:09.18 | Titan8990_ | iddo, did you even look at the official howto I linked yo to? |
| 13:09.22 | Evet | Thank you for help, ajavid |
| 13:09.28 | ajavid | anytime |
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| 13:09.35 | sanxiyn | iddo: I thought ssh-agent is launched automatically by DM? |
| 13:09.39 | microtux | ajavid, i added './configure --prefix=.... --sysconfdir=....' in the rules file |
| 13:09.43 | ajavid | Evet, morning heartburn, pray i feel better |
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| 13:09.52 | sanxiyn | (At least, works for me that way.) |
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| 13:09.57 | Titan8990_ | iddo, the offcial guide uses cron: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ |
| 13:10.14 | sanxiyn | And no I am not using gnome-session of course not. |
| 13:10.15 | microtux | ajavid, and i expeted the .deb to be installed in the path i mentionned in the '--prefix' option |
| 13:10.16 | Evet | ajavid, i hope u will be ok soon ;) |
| 13:10.20 | iddo | Titan8990_: i want to get it to work with gnome-keyring-manager, because keyring runs anyway and stores other passwords beside ssh (and those passwords work, just ssh doesnt work) |
| 13:10.35 | sanxiyn | Oh, sorry. Don't know about keyring. |
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| 13:10.51 | Titan8990_ | iddo, the whole point is to no need a password |
| 13:10.52 | microtux | ajavid, after generating the .deb and installed it, it was installed in the /usr/sbin/, not in the path mentionned int the prefix option |
| 13:10.54 | sanxiyn | Not using gnome-keyring-manager. |
| 13:11.04 | Titan8990_ | iddo, or if you add a passphrase, to increase security |
| 13:11.26 | sanxiyn | Titan8990: My understanding is gnome-keyring-manager manages SSH public keys too. |
| 13:11.35 | sanxiyn | I just don't know how that works. |
| 13:11.41 | iddo | sanxiyn: yes ssh-agent is launched automatically, but only when it is launched with gnome-session then ssh-add keys actually get added, with other wm i cannot get it to work without manually ssh-add |
| 13:12.20 | sanxiyn | iddo: I can't help you there, but I think now you stated your problem clearly. Someone might help... |
| 13:12.21 | iddo | Titan8990_: i have passphrase but i want it to get unlocked at login, like gnome manages to do somehow |
| 13:12.26 | microtux | ajavid, it clear ? |
| 13:13.13 | ajavid | yes |
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| 13:13.52 | microtux | so ? any idea ? |
| 13:14.11 | iddo | anyone knows maybe which part the source code i could look at to see what gnome does? |
| 13:14.23 | iddo | the gnome channel is pretty dead |
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| 13:15.07 | ajavid | microtux, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html#s-destdir |
| 13:15.24 | enouf | ahh there we go, 06-18-09 |
| 13:15.44 | ajavid | microtux, chapter 3.1, new maintainers guide |
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| 13:16.03 | microtux | ajavid, ok, thank you |
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| 13:17.06 | ajavid | yup |
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| 13:17.56 | geeree | Anyone here using Fetchmail with Gmail? |
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| 13:18.31 | themill | geeree: assume yes and ask your real question |
| 13:18.32 | sanxiyn | geeree: Not me. |
| 13:18.42 | ajavid | !anyone use |
| 13:18.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 13:18.54 | geeree | Oh .. OK. |
| 13:18.59 | sanxiyn | ajavid: What a word of wisdom. |
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| 13:19.06 | ajavid | :) |
| 13:19.29 | geeree | I recently stopped using Gmail for e-mail and I now want to download all my (abt 20K) message from there .. |
| 13:19.54 | geeree | I set up a Fetchmail -- Exim -- Procmail chain that will get me everything and sort it out neatly .. |
| 13:20.00 | mark___ | was a server problem.. nat wasn't enabled for my extension in asterisk |
| 13:20.02 | mark___ | duh. |
| 13:20.13 | geeree | But the Fetchmail stopped retireval after about 9500 messages. |
| 13:20.13 | Titan8990_ | geeree, why not just download it via POP using a MUA such as evolution or firebird? |
| 13:20.22 | ajavid | imap! |
| 13:20.31 | geeree | I want to know how to resolve this and get the remaining messages out too. |
| 13:20.37 | ajavid | why download using pop ? (archive on gmail on pop download otherwise) |
| 13:20.39 | Titan8990_ | ajavid, imap doesn't "download" the messages though |
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| 13:20.55 | ajavid | i know, but it can |
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| 13:21.50 | geeree | Titan8990_: I need to use Fetchmail for my regular work e-mail .. so I wanted to keep things simple and get my Gmail archive through the same channel. |
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| 13:22.19 | geeree | But yes .. maybe I should give the MUA a try. |
| 13:22.29 | Evet | How to install PhpMyAdmin? |
| 13:22.36 | geeree | I use Alpine and I guess it does have POP3. |
| 13:23.04 | ajavid | Evet, aptitude install phpmyadmin (should auto install/configure). If not, /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.debian |
| 13:23.15 | ajavid | Evet, or look on google, 'debian phpmyadmin howto' |
| 13:23.29 | Evet | ajavid, thank you ; ) |
| 13:24.03 | ajavid | np |
| 13:24.33 | Evet | The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. |
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| 13:25.01 | ajavid | you have to include its conf in apache2.conf |
| 13:25.05 | ajavid | and then restart apache2 |
| 13:25.12 | ajavid | its not hard to install, google it up |
| 13:25.13 | ajavid | !phpmyadmin |
| 13:25.14 | dpkg | phpmyadmin is probably a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
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| 13:27.36 | themill | Evet, ajavid: "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" is all that is required to configure the web server |
| 13:27.40 | jpinx-eeepc | when does /tmp empty itself ? |
| 13:27.54 | KeiKurono | hi |
| 13:27.57 | ajavid | themill, which is why I said it should auto configure |
| 13:28.10 | ajavid | themill, I just installed it a few weeks ago |
| 13:28.10 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: during boot |
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| 13:28.36 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: thanks - that's what I feared ;) |
| 13:28.46 | ajavid | feared or figured? |
| 13:28.47 | ajavid | :) |
| 13:28.49 | themill | ajavid: "[14:25] <ajavid> you have to include its conf in apache2.conf" <== no you don't. at least, not in the way that many people would read that statement. |
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| 13:29.15 | sanxiyn | I thought conf file is dropped in conf.d and automatically included. |
| 13:29.15 | themill | ajavid: that's all I meant |
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| 13:29.25 | ajavid | i see |
| 13:29.32 | ajavid | well u do have to |
| 13:29.38 | themill | sanxiyn: pretty much |
| 13:29.39 | ajavid | manually or with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:29.44 | ajavid | one way or another, its going in there :) |
| 13:30.03 | themill | ajavid: you don't edit apache2.conf though. It's the conf.d mechanism at work |
| 13:30.04 | ajavid | you are right however |
| 13:30.08 | Evet | themill, not enough. cant reach phpadmin |
| 13:30.10 | ajavid | correct |
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| 13:34.30 | ajavid | np: (Carnifex) (Dead In My Arms) (Lie To My Face) (Genre: Deathcore) (Time: 3:02) (Year: 2007) (Rating: 10/10) |
| 13:34.38 | ajavid | oh fuck. |
| 13:34.48 | ajavid | my bad. oops. |
| 13:34.57 | ajavid | excuse me. |
| 13:34.58 | liable | deathcore? wtf! |
| 13:35.00 | obcecado | deathcore :x |
| 13:35.27 | cydork | hmm lie to my face.. |
| 13:35.32 | KeiKurono | i'm trying to make a partition for debian from an existing winxp installation, what's the best practices to do that? any link or docs or advices? |
| 13:36.06 | Titan8990_ | KeiKurono, use fdisk to delete the windows partition and then install debian its place |
| 13:36.10 | ajavid | KeiKurono, make free space thats all |
| 13:36.12 | KeiKurono | use a livecd and make partition from it will go ok? |
| 13:36.29 | ajavid | KeiKurono, if you have no free space on disk you will have to modify existing windows partitions |
| 13:36.39 | ajavid | KeiKurono, if you have free space, just isntall debian into it |
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| 13:36.55 | ajavid | KeiKurono, ever heard of goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 13:36.58 | Titan8990_ | KeiKurono, just use parted from systemrescuecd or whatever you prefer to make the partition adjustments |
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| 13:37.01 | KeiKurono | ajavid, yes i'm creating some free space |
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| 13:37.26 | enouf | guys, i have a slightly embarrassing question, if i'm attempting to use ssh over my LAN only; pc1 <-> pc2 why is it reaching out to InfoSpace servers (which i did a whois and dig on)? |
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| 13:37.31 | ajavid | KeiKurono, I recommend you leave windows intact, incase the impossile happens during the debian install, you will at least have a working os to restart from |
| 13:37.34 | ManaPirat | hey there :) |
| 13:37.44 | ajavid | KeiKurono, just make a free space, and let debian create partition there and install |
| 13:37.46 | ManaPirat | is there a sub-channel for gnome-specific quetsions or may I here? |
| 13:37.51 | Evet | ajavid, /var/www includes only an index.html, not phpmyadmin |
| 13:37.56 | ajavid | irc.debian.org #debian-gnome |
| 13:38.01 | ajavid | irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 13:38.03 | ManaPirat | thank you |
| 13:38.05 | KeiKurono | ajavid, Titan8990 i'm using the link goodbye, thanks |
| 13:38.05 | ajavid | n |
| 13:38.27 | KeiKurono | i'm tempted to completely remove the win partition though |
| 13:38.34 | ajavid | I advise against it |
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| 13:38.53 | ajavid | at least until you have debian installed. If you know what you are doing, then don't listen to me. |
| 13:38.54 | zmen01 | hi, i would like to strip all instances in a text file that look like query=11111|111 where 11111 is always 4 or 5 characters and after | is variable, i have text files with about 40 lines, which all contain like 200.000 characters with multiple instance of query=11111|00 which all have at least one space before and after the searched string... i tried doing this with egrep but without any luck yet, how can i do this, any idea? |
| 13:38.55 | KeiKurono | ajavid, really? well then i guess i will delete another day |
| 13:39.06 | ajavid | KeiKurono, I recommend you leave windows intact, incase the impossile happens during the debian install, you will at least have a working os to restart from |
| 13:39.15 | KeiKurono | ajavid, i prefer be the more possible careful |
| 13:39.18 | enouf | KeiKurono: at this point, consider your partitioning arrangement - if there's a time for major changes, now is the time to consider that too |
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| 13:39.23 | ManaPirat | woops .. channel is empty |
| 13:39.25 | KeiKurono | yes thanks |
| 13:39.36 | ManaPirat | ok sorry wrong server -.- |
| 13:39.40 | hochron | does debian have a firewall? |
| 13:39.47 | ajavid | hochron, of course |
| 13:40.01 | enouf | KeiKurono: like if you wanted to blow away any/all Ext'd DOS + Logical partitions, or reorder them or whatever, and try LVM, or whatever you want |
| 13:40.09 | ajavid | hochron, iptables and optionally a front end |
| 13:40.14 | hochron | ajavid: how do I forward ports? |
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| 13:40.52 | KeiKurono | enouf, last time i used linux i was on ext2 |
| 13:40.59 | enouf | i see |
| 13:41.03 | ajavid | 8 yeas |
| 13:41.28 | KeiKurono | enouf, but was a quite long ago |
| 13:41.43 | Evet | i done "sudo ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www" and it works. |
| 13:41.43 | ManaPirat | bah -.. empty too on irc.debian ;) ... |
| 13:41.45 | Dunge | ajdavid : that Carnifex is pretty good :P |
| 13:42.10 | ajavid | yes it is |
| 13:42.10 | ajavid | :) |
| 13:42.12 | ajavid | #music |
| 13:42.14 | ajavid | please |
| 13:42.14 | sanxiyn | Evet: That sounds wrong... |
| 13:42.25 | KeiKurono | no need to defragment before the installation? |
| 13:42.33 | Evet | sanxiyn, why |
| 13:42.34 | Zvpun | zmen01: have you tried sed? |
| 13:42.36 | sanxiyn | Defragment? |
| 13:42.41 | sanxiyn | Evet: Should work out of box. |
| 13:42.57 | KeiKurono | defrag? |
| 13:43.06 | Evet | sanxiyn, i dont understand you |
| 13:43.29 | Evet | it makes a security issue? |
| 13:43.38 | sanxiyn | Evet: You said you had to do sudo ln -s etc. to get it working? |
| 13:44.00 | Evet | sanxiyn, just ln -s |
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| 13:44.11 | sanxiyn | That would be a bug in my opinion. |
| 13:44.32 | sanxiyn | Debian packages are normally supposed to work out of the box (by providing good defaults) |
| 13:44.49 | Titan8990_ | thats in no way close to a bug |
| 13:45.01 | Titan8990_ | requiring a user to some administartion on his server IS NOT a bug |
| 13:45.24 | Titan8990_ | especially with an application that is opening a window to your database from the internet |
| 13:45.43 | Evet | aww.. |
| 13:45.49 | Evet | but, i couldnt run |
| 13:46.07 | Titan8990_ | but you don't know what your doing either |
| 13:47.30 | Evet | I move it back, now |
| 13:47.43 | ManaPirat | I want to use gnome without HAL (debian lenny) - any idea how to disable HAL related features? |
| 13:47.45 | Evet | So, what should I do to run phpmyadmin? |
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| 13:48.18 | Titan8990 | ManaPirat, you will have to recompile xorg manually |
| 13:48.23 | ajavid | liable, Dunge: #music |
| 13:48.33 | Titan8990 | ManaPirat, and configure to not have hal support |
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| 13:49.10 | ManaPirat | I am not using Xorg but freenx :) |
| 13:49.14 | enouf | ManaPirat: you will also likely lose console-kit-daemon support |
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| 13:49.47 | Titan8990 | ManaPirat, no idea then.... no USE="-hal" in debian..... |
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| 13:49.56 | ManaPirat | :-( |
| 13:50.25 | ManaPirat | If gentoo would only be as stable as debian ... |
| 13:51.00 | KeiKurono | gnome or kde ? :) |
| 13:51.12 | ManaPirat | ? gnome |
| 13:51.14 | KeiKurono | i used gnome but.. |
| 13:51.25 | KeiKurono | has kde improved ? |
| 13:51.33 | ManaPirat | I would stick to KDE if its performance would be better over the NX-Protocol |
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| 13:51.58 | ManaPirat | i Guess all the plasma stuff is to far away from what NX was supposed to compress |
| 13:52.25 | KeiKurono | i want a multiwindow efficient desktop environment |
| 13:52.39 | KeiKurono | easy to configure |
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| 13:53.36 | ManaPirat | hm something other than the big two then? Ion? xfce? |
| 13:53.56 | Titan8990_ | ManaPirat, gentoo is as stable as debian, as long as you don't upgrade |
| 13:54.09 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:54.14 | Titan8990_ | ManaPirat, usually its xorg, python, gcc updates and etc that break gentoo |
| 13:55.04 | ManaPirat | hehe titan yeah I know ;) |
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| 13:56.26 | Pimpinella | i?m switching from a k7 system to a amd64 system. will just switching harddisks from the old to the other system and then installing an amd64 kernel work? if yes will it work good or should i consider installing from scratch on the new system? |
| 13:56.34 | ManaPirat | ok I have another question: I instaleld Ion, fluxbox, balckbox etc ... but I cannot seem to find the start-binaries |
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| 13:58.08 | abrotman | ManaPirat: dpkg -L blackboxwm .. for example .. look for the binary |
| 13:58.13 | ManaPirat | or as a more general quetsion: how can I see what files get installed where during an apt-get? |
| 13:58.15 | ManaPirat | aaah cool |
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| 13:58.31 | Pimpinella | ManaPirat: install apt-file |
| 13:59.36 | Pimpinella | apt-file list <packagename> will show you |
| 14:00.00 | Evet | I installed phpmyadmin, but i cant reach. gives 404 error. What I must do? |
| 14:00.42 | abrotman | learn how to use mysql correctly |
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| 14:01.12 | ManaPirat | thanks that helped |
| 14:01.15 | ajavid | that would help |
| 14:02.09 | abrotman | Evet: which version of debian is this? |
| 14:02.47 | lvh | better idea: stop using mysql |
| 14:03.03 | Evet | abrotman, Debian-50-lenny-64-minimal |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | lvh: duh |
| 14:03.34 | abrotman | Evet: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ ? |
| 14:03.34 | ajavid | hey, no dissin mysql |
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| 14:03.44 | lvh | abrotman: you'd be surprised how many people dont know? |
| 14:03.49 | lvh | s/?// |
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| 14:07.21 | ajavid | abrotman, 1 hour ago, first thing I told him to do was read docs in there |
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| 14:07.44 | abrotman | that doesn't mean he has done that |
| 14:07.53 | ajavid | he hasn't |
| 14:07.56 | KeiKurono | ehr.. my installation went bad.. no network found :/ |
| 14:08.20 | Evet | doc nothing tells about my issue |
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| 14:08.49 | ManaPirat | another newbie question :) - with apt-get when there are dependencies and I get a "but it is not going to be installed" - what does it mean? |
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| 14:10.27 | KeiKurono | how's that |
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| 14:11.39 | lvh | ManaPirat: it means that apt has reasons for not installing something |
| 14:11.50 | ManaPirat | uhm :) .. like? |
| 14:11.57 | lvh | for example, "I could bring that package in, but it would mean scrapping 50 already installed packages" |
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| 14:12.14 | abrotman | ManaPirat: you sohuld be using aptitude |
| 14:12.14 | lvh | and then apt assumes you like your 50 exisitng ones better than the one new one :-) |
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| 14:12.32 | lvh | aptitude makes it easier to find possible solutions to your problem |
| 14:12.33 | ManaPirat | I did .. but it sdoes not install what is allready marked green |
| 14:13.00 | ManaPirat | it is nice that apt makes such well informed assumptions :) I like that |
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| 14:13.27 | lvh | ManaPirat: press "e" to examine whats going to happen, and then , and . to decide between possible solutions |
| 14:13.34 | lvh | usually the first one is the best one really |
| 14:13.34 | ManaPirat | Ok well Ill skip those minor window-managers then |
| 14:13.41 | ManaPirat | oh good hint - Ill try that |
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| 14:14.32 | themill | ManaPirat: "/msg dpkg why aptitude". Aptitude's more detailed output in such situations is quite useful too. |
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| 14:15.30 | KeiKurono | any help? my previous installation with goodbye-windows (installing debian lenny) went bad: it can't configure network |
| 14:15.45 | KeiKurono | i'm googling but still nothing |
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| 14:15.57 | abrotman | KeiKurono: does the device exist? do you just need to configure it ? |
| 14:16.05 | ManaPirat | oh dammit - it was something else - I overlooked a "/var/cache/apt/archives/latex-xft-fonts_1.6.3-4_all.deb (--unpack)" - removed this depenency, aptitude told me it had ben fixed after the next pressing of "g" |
| 14:16.27 | KeiKurono | abrotman, no it fails settings pc card for network device |
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| 14:16.53 | KeiKurono | i have router + router wi-fi |
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| 14:18.33 | KeiKurono | and then it fails dhcp obviously, so can't download from repository |
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| 14:19.00 | abrotman | KeiKurono: do you have an actual error for us? |
| 14:19.04 | KeiKurono | i'll try again and then try without wifi router on, i suppose |
| 14:19.12 | racecar56 | what's the minimum hard disk requirement for a command line install |
| 14:19.18 | KeiKurono | abrotman, no, no errors are returned |
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| 14:19.39 | hanibana | hi all |
| 14:20.16 | asg | racecar56: the install guide lists the minimum requirements |
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| 14:21.58 | ajavid | !mmhr |
| 14:21.58 | dpkg | mmhr is probably Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 5.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 14:22.38 | epsy | hi, I need to get a package from sid to install it on stable, what is the URL to download a sid package? |
| 14:22.44 | zmen01 | i have a file with one line which contains about 200.000 characters, of all these characters i like to strip everything away apart from that i like to get returned all strings that look like 11111|11 where 11111 are always 4 or 5 digits and can be any digit 0-9, then | and always followed by 2 or more digits... i tried quite a few things, but couldn't get anything with grep or sed working |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | epsy: you don't |
| 14:22.57 | abrotman | !tell epsy about ssb |
| 14:23.24 | cydork | !tell epsy -about bobbitt |
| 14:23.29 | ajavid | has it been backported? |
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| 14:23.33 | ajavid | which package is it? |
| 14:23.50 | ajavid | epsy, check backports.org before ssb |
| 14:24.04 | epsy | protobuf-compiler |
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| 14:24.54 | twobitsprite | I just did an update and am getting a lot of 404s |
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| 14:25.08 | ajavid | do it again |
| 14:25.33 | ajavid | twobitsprite, if it continues to fail, change your mirror and try again. could be a dns resolving issue, could be something else. which mirror is it? |
| 14:25.36 | twobitsprite | hmm... yeah, that time it updated a lot more stuff |
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| 14:27.17 | twobitsprite | it worked the second time |
| 14:27.21 | twobitsprite | cosmic? |
| 14:27.23 | epsy | it doesn't seem to be on backports.org |
| 14:27.33 | ajavid | epsy, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:27.55 | ajavid | cosmic? |
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| 14:28.14 | ajavid | debian in space. damn. |
| 14:28.26 | twobitsprite | heh... i.e., strange fluke in behavior... or is there another explanation as to why it didn't work the first time? |
| 14:28.41 | t_corr | I am reading this page: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html, i want to build libpam-mount, but i want to make a change to the source code |
| 14:28.54 | twobitsprite | as in "this happened because of cosmic backgroun radiation, solar flairs and/or faries" |
| 14:28.57 | Titan8990_ | t_corr, apt-get source PACKAGE |
| 14:29.01 | t_corr | what is the proper way to do this? would i just change the source, re-tgz it, and then run the normal command? |
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| 14:29.29 | Titan8990_ | t_corr, proper way: download souce; modify; repackage; install |
| 14:29.31 | t_corr | Titan8990: yes, but after that - should i change the tgz and then run the build command? |
| 14:29.36 | t_corr | ok |
| 14:29.42 | ajavid | after you modify the source use dpkg-buildpackage on it |
| 14:29.44 | t_corr | that sounds like what i wanna do |
| 14:29.59 | Titan8990_ | t_corr, you can just manually compile/install if you want but i recommend building a deb |
| 14:30.10 | ajavid | Debian New Maintainers' Guide |
| 14:30.12 | ajavid | Chapter 3 - Modifying the source |
| 14:30.13 | cydork | zmen01: seems bit difficult with sed but join #sed and ask |
| 14:30.17 | ajavid | and rebuildin afterward |
| 14:30.22 | t_corr | yes, i want to make a small change to functionality to work around a bug, but i want it to be in the apt system |
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| 14:30.31 | t_corr | ajavid: thanks, i will read that |
| 14:30.40 | ajavid | t_corr, read also chapter 6.1 |
| 14:30.48 | t_corr | ok |
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| 14:31.01 | ajavid | actually just do the whole thing |
| 14:31.30 | t_corr | i think i will, but this needs to be done by today - i'll probably read it over the weekend |
| 14:31.37 | hanibana | I have an external HDD that with Debian Lenny installed in a separate partition. The file system of the big partition which contains all of my data is NTFS... (obviously, because I want it be visible in all systems). I use NTFS-3g for mount (that as far as I know is a userspace driver). I just wonder is there any performance/speed degrade with comparison of vfat/fat32 file system for my shared partition? |
| 14:31.50 | ajavid | t_corr, you have already apt-get source blah, modify blah source; |
| 14:31.54 | ajavid | t_corr, now you need to build it? |
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| 14:32.29 | ajavid | hello...? |
| 14:32.30 | t_corr | i knew how to build it - the doc i posted tells me how, i just want to do it "right" - i assumed that modifying the source would work, but i didnt know if there were any unforseen consequences |
| 14:32.47 | ajavid | well what are you asking then? |
| 14:32.52 | t_corr | i didnt know if maybe there were commands to "build" and then "package" |
| 14:32.59 | t_corr | because i didn't want to assume? |
| 14:33.02 | ajavid | alright |
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| 14:33.06 | ajavid | here is the dumbest down way to do it |
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| 14:33.14 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 14:33.32 | johnfg | I see that version 3.0.2 of virtualbox for lenny is out. |
| 14:33.39 | ajavid | t_corr, apt-get source blah; cd blah; modify blah source; apt-get -b source blah; |
| 14:33.43 | ajavid | can't get any dumber than this. |
| 14:34.03 | ajavid | t_corr, it depends on how you modify the source, but you can use this to build the packages after you modify the source |
| 14:34.10 | johnfg | I've downloaded the file, what's the best way to install this as an upgrade? Or should I remove the old, then install the new. |
| 14:34.12 | ajavid | t_corr, you should look into the new maint guide though |
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| 14:35.18 | t_corr | but if i run apt-get -b source blah, that would redownload the source? i am pretty sure my assumptions were correct. apt-get source blah, tar xzvf blah.tar.gz, modify, tar czvf blah.tar.gz blah, dpkg-buildpackage fgfdg |
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| 14:35.26 | ajavid | no |
| 14:35.27 | t_corr | or does the buildpackage not build the source, only the package? |
| 14:35.27 | ajavid | it will not |
| 14:35.40 | ajavid | just use dpkg-builpacakge |
| 14:35.47 | ajavid | t_corr, i told you to skim chapter 6 |
| 14:35.52 | ajavid | will take you no more than 10 minutes, 2 pages |
| 14:35.58 | ajavid | its not going to take a whole weekend |
| 14:35.59 | t_corr | what are you talking about, dude i'm not an idiot. |
| 14:36.27 | ajavid | t_corr, good luck. |
| 14:36.28 | ranix | no, but reading documentation is an aquired skill that people like ajavid forget some people don't have |
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| 14:36.39 | ranix | t_corr: try skimming through chapter 6 again, I guarantee the answer is there |
| 14:36.45 | t_corr | i did read, i was not aware of the new maintainer's guide |
| 14:36.51 | t_corr | so i now intend on reading it |
| 14:37.13 | t_corr | but he keeps asking me questions, so i keep answering, then i get yelled at? |
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| 14:37.28 | ajavid | I did no such thing. |
| 14:37.28 | ranix | see above |
| 14:37.32 | ajavid | Do not fabricate lies about me. |
| 14:37.33 | johnfg | So, what's the best way to install the newest version of virtualbox? |
| 14:37.34 | t_corr | ok - whatever |
| 14:38.04 | t_corr | my main misunderstanding what that by running apt-get -b source it would download the source again |
| 14:38.14 | ajavid | i told you it won't |
| 14:38.15 | epsy | umm, I think I did something wrong. I ran apt-get build-dep protobuf-compiler and it proposes me 121 new packages, from java to x11 |
| 14:38.17 | ranix | johnfg: 'newest version' is often not what you want. Is there a specific feature you need the newest version rather than the version in Lenny? |
| 14:38.18 | ajavid | it will launch the build scripts |
| 14:38.18 | t_corr | where? |
| 14:38.22 | ajavid | it will not redownload the package |
| 14:38.23 | ajavid | ffs. |
| 14:38.34 | ajavid | if you won't listen to me, which is why I don't wanna help anymore |
| 14:38.36 | t_corr | i did not see that answer |
| 14:38.36 | ajavid | :/ |
| 14:38.47 | ajavid | its ok |
| 14:38.50 | ajavid | you see it now |
| 14:38.52 | ajavid | :) |
| 14:38.59 | johnfg | Well, 3.0.2 is a version pkgd for lenny, and there are a few bugs that I thought might be worked out in the latest. |
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| 14:39.00 | t_corr | i hate trying to learn things |
| 14:39.07 | ajavid | be patient |
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| 14:39.11 | johnfg | But it may well have bugs of its own, eh? |
| 14:39.14 | epsy | while I'm pretty sure protobuf doesn't need all this |
| 14:39.15 | ajavid | you can't learn it all in one day, don't overload yourself |
| 14:39.53 | ranix | johnfg: yep, if a bug in stable is a deal-breaker then start looking into the most recent version then |
| 14:40.04 | ranix | generally the one in Lenny will be more suitable for most applications, as a rule of thumb |
| 14:41.01 | epsy | well, it won't let me compile without these, I'll have to install them anyway then |
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| 14:41.24 | zmen01 | i have a file with one line which contains about 200.000 characters, of all these characters i like to strip everything away apart from that i like to get returned all strings that look like 11111|11 where 11111 are always 4 or 5 digits and can be any digit 0-9, then | and always followed by 2 or more digits... i tried quite a few things, but couldn't get anything with grep or sed working |
| 14:42.11 | Titan8990 | zmen01, #bash |
| 14:42.45 | asg | zmen01: tr '|' '\n' |
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| 14:44.12 | zmen01 | asg i tried that |
| 14:44.39 | zmen01 | thats not doing what i defined |
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| 14:47.03 | asg | zmen01: then I'd suggest using perl or python or something with more expressive regular expressions. |
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| 14:47.27 | Evet | What is wrong with this .htaccess code: http://pastebin.com/d106e6e05 |
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| 14:49.44 | abrotman | it's missing a passwd file probably? |
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| 14:51.40 | n3lab | can anybody help me with vsftp? |
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| 14:52.25 | asg | n3lab: have you looked at the example configs and documentation in /usr/share/doc/vsftp* |
| 14:52.34 | ajavid | not if u dun aslk |
| 14:52.40 | ajavid | damn key |
| 14:52.48 | n3lab | yap |
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| 14:52.53 | n3lab | but not examples |
| 14:53.00 | n3lab | just help |
| 14:53.16 | n3lab | asg: can u help? |
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| 14:53.31 | n3lab | examples i saw |
| 14:53.46 | n3lab | can u see my conf and find wrongs? |
| 14:54.00 | Evet | is it necessary abrotman |
| 14:54.12 | abrotman | Evet: what would you like to authenticate against ? |
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| 14:54.33 | Evet | i want to deny all |
| 14:54.36 | Evet | abrotman |
| 14:54.39 | abrotman | n3lab: ask your real qusetion |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | Evet: and not allow any ? |
| 14:54.49 | asg | n3lab: pastebin your config and also tell us what the problem you are seeing is |
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| 14:54.54 | Evet | abrotman, right |
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| 14:55.14 | abrotman | Evet: so why not just turn off access to that directory ? |
| 14:55.27 | no_mind | xorg is not detecting my touchpad during configuration. I dont see any section for Synaptics touchpad in my xorg.conf file. |
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| 14:55.59 | no_mind | when I do dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver it is not even asking me to configure the mouse/touchpad |
| 14:56.03 | n3lab | asg: http://dpaste.com/73703/ this is my conf. problem: i can't change file permissions from ftp client |
| 14:56.04 | Evet | abrotman, i want to do that with .htaccess. which is more flexible |
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| 14:56.44 | stew | no_mind: that's expected. it would be auto-detected when you start X |
| 14:56.52 | stew | no_mind: (as are most things now) |
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| 14:57.03 | no_mind | stew: it is not been autodetected |
| 14:57.34 | no_mind | nor can I use synclient to manage the touchpad |
| 14:57.34 | KeiKurono | i'm worried |
| 14:57.45 | stew | no_mind: upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://passte.debian.org (or somewhere else) so we can help you debug it |
| 14:57.54 | abrotman | paste.debian.org |
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| 14:58.02 | stew | err |
| 14:58.03 | stew | .net |
| 14:58.25 | stew | no_mind: make that paste.debian.net, sorry |
| 14:58.29 | no_mind | ok |
| 14:59.41 | no_mind | there you go http://paste.debian.net/43094/ |
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| 15:00.03 | stew | # |
| 15:00.05 | stew | (--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad auto-dev sets device to /dev/input/event7 |
| 15:00.15 | stew | no_mind: looks like it was detected just fine |
| 15:00.37 | pozic | How is it possible that top shows a CPU usage of 9999%? I can assure you I do not have 100 CPUs. |
| 15:00.41 | no_mind | so why it is not showing in xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:01.22 | stew | no_mind: becuase there is no need, it can be detected at runtime if it is present, instead of statically configuring your xorg.conf |
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| 15:01.38 | stew | pozic: do you have 99.99 cpus? |
| 15:01.48 | no_mind | I want to switch to external mouse for a while. Only way I know is to switch off the touchpad using synclient but synclient is throwing an error "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" |
| 15:02.08 | no_mind | as of my knowledge this requires "SHMConfig" "on" in xorg.conf |
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| 15:02.40 | stew | no_mind: it doens't |
| 15:02.44 | asg | n3lab: maybe to do with the local_umask but I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else in here knows. |
| 15:02.56 | n3lab | :( |
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| 15:03.23 | no_mind | stew: then what do I do to switch to an external mouse. Infact earlier the switch used to happen automatically as soon as you plug in a mouse |
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| 15:04.05 | paissad-hp | hi everybody |
| 15:04.08 | inlanger | hi2all! |
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| 15:04.18 | Evet | hi |
| 15:04.26 | Cynner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.34 | inlanger | who speak ukrainian/russian? |
| 15:04.57 | epsy | that is in no way new |
| 15:05.06 | liable | inlanger: there is a #debian-russion channel |
| 15:05.07 | epsy | and Qnet considers it as adult material |
| 15:05.14 | paissad-hp | i have a problem to connect to internet after i get out of pm-suspend, even if i run dhclient as root , the matter remains, but when i restart the system, i have my connexion working now |
| 15:05.16 | inlanger | how i can install Debian 5 without cd/dvd-rom? |
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| 15:06.19 | liable | inlanger: will it boot usb keys from bios? |
| 15:06.27 | stew | no_mind: i typically don't use an external mouse, but synclient works for me without problems |
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| 15:06.40 | no_mind | stew: not working for me |
| 15:06.42 | inlanger | a have Ubuntu 9.04 and Windows7 on my HDD, and i need install debian on ubuntu partition |
| 15:06.42 | no_mind | :( |
| 15:06.42 | linduxed | ive got a folder that ive run "setfacl -m d:mask:rwx foobar/" on, but when i do a "touch bar.foo" that file doesnt inherit the rwx mask, it just gets rw. is there any way to have the d:mask transfer? |
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| 15:07.53 | nicky_namenn | hi |
| 15:07.57 | liable | inlanger: then you can use the hd-media option. just download the kernel and inird, point grub to it and boot from it, which runs the installer |
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| 15:08.01 | spO | hi |
| 15:08.02 | spO | 5 of my external usb hard drives automount and configure fine in ubuntu, but 1 get recognized but is not mounted... i cannot seem to mount it |
| 15:08.26 | Titan8990 | how are you trying to mount it? |
| 15:08.37 | spO | by just pluggin it in |
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| 15:08.47 | inlanger | liable, wingrub say - Try hd(0,0): EXT2: |
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| 15:09.22 | liable | inlanger: its covered in the installation manual. |
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| 15:09.26 | liable | !IM |
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| 15:09.35 | liable | !IG |
| 15:09.35 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.2) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 15:09.41 | Titan8990 | !mount |
| 15:09.41 | dpkg | it has been said that mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 15:09.50 | Titan8990 | ^ spO |
| 15:10.10 | KeiKurono | hey how can i remove the debian installer of goodbye-windows ? |
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| 15:10.33 | paissad-hp | does someone have any idea of hhow to solve the problem ? |
| 15:10.47 | paissad-hp | i still cannot connect to the internet |
| 15:11.01 | inlanger | liable, sorry, but i don't understand you :( |
| 15:11.16 | inlanger | liable, what i may to do? |
| 15:11.22 | dexter | can iptables filter out RST packets? |
| 15:11.24 | paissad-hp | when i run dhclient, i have No CHCPOFFERS received, 100% packets loss |
| 15:11.39 | paissad-hp | DHCPOFFERS* |
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| 15:12.29 | KeiKurono | how can i remove the bootstrapped "debian setup" from package in http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ? |
| 15:12.34 | Maleko | guys whats the right syntax to add sudoless command to a user? |
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| 15:12.51 | liable | inlanger: go here, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual and look at the section about install media. look at the hd-media option |
| 15:12.54 | KeiKurono | the setup went bad, can't detect network hardware |
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| 15:13.40 | KeiKurono | and now i have that setup useless in mbr |
| 15:13.47 | KeiKurono | :( |
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| 15:15.02 | spO | if i have difficulty mounting a drive, it could be because the drive has a dirty or fragmentted file system and i need to repair it? |
| 15:15.21 | inlanger | liable, sxn |
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| 15:15.47 | iluminator101 | For some reason the mailto link in iceweasel that opens up in icedove is not opening up automaticlly, can someone give me some pointers on, yesterday it was working though |
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| 15:17.35 | beardy | iluminator101: Then you must have fiddled on the settings since then. |
| 15:17.38 | liable | wonders what sxn means |
| 15:17.50 | beardy | !sxn |
| 15:17.55 | beardy | too. |
| 15:18.02 | JyZyXEL | oh just fucking great |
| 15:18.13 | beardy | Glad you enjoy it. |
| 15:18.14 | JyZyXEL | yank the USB cord of a webcam out when its being used |
| 15:18.23 | liable | no doubt its derogatory |
| 15:18.28 | JyZyXEL | khubd goes crazy |
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| 15:19.07 | beardy | How would you like it having your eye nerve yanked out while watching something. |
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| 15:19.33 | JyZyXEL | gspca fail |
| 15:19.48 | iluminator101 | beardy:...i dont believe so |
| 15:19.56 | JyZyXEL | what are you supposed to do when a kernel module gets stuck in a endless loop? |
| 15:20.00 | JyZyXEL | and uses 100% of CPU |
| 15:20.08 | beardy | JyZyXEL: unload it? |
| 15:20.14 | JyZyXEL | ERROR: Module gspca is in use |
| 15:20.17 | JyZyXEL | unload it how |
| 15:20.35 | beardy | JyZyXEL: Force it. (this is only for you, not a general advice) |
| 15:20.50 | beardy | JyZyXEL: But since you'd reboot otherwise, it's worth a try. |
| 15:20.53 | JyZyXEL | rmmod -f gspca doesn't ever return |
| 15:21.09 | JyZyXEL | fail module is fail |
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| 15:21.45 | beardy | JyZyXEL: What module is that, for your camera or USB? |
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| 15:21.55 | JyZyXEL | its the module for the cam |
| 15:22.29 | sigmonsays | is there a debian way of builting a initrd/ramdisk for pxe booting? |
| 15:22.29 | KeiKurono | noone for me ? |
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| 15:22.52 | beardy | Noone for you, noone for me, that's how it is. |
| 15:22.54 | JyZyXEL | logitech webcams fucking suck |
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| 15:23.10 | spO | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.10 | spO | $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0). |
| 15:23.10 | spO | Failed to mount '/dev/sdf1': Input/output error |
| 15:23.11 | spO | NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a |
| 15:23.11 | spO | SoftRAID/FakeRAID hardware. In the first case run chkdsk /f on Windows |
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| 15:23.57 | beardy | KeiKurono: That installation isn't supported here afaik.. why can't you use the netinstaller? |
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| 15:24.27 | KeiKurono | beardy, i was directed to that link in this very channell |
| 15:24.49 | \amethyst | spO: as it suggests, you'll probably need to check it in Windows and shut down cleanly |
| 15:24.53 | beardy | KeiKurono: If you want to put back the Windows bootloader back, you can do it with the installation disc. |
| 15:25.11 | beardy | KeiKurono: Is that what you are trying to do? |
| 15:25.20 | KeiKurono | beardy, i'm tryng to run netinst from usb right now |
| 15:25.41 | \amethyst | spO: ntfs-3g and probably other Linux NTFS drivers are very reluctant to touch a disk that has any inconsistencies |
| 15:25.41 | KeiKurono | don't have a cd :( |
| 15:25.58 | \amethyst | spO: and the format isn't well-documented enough for them to be able to fix the inconsistencies |
| 15:26.45 | beardy | KeiKurono: Alright. On a modern machine that can boot from USB, you should only need to write the netinstaller image (write it raw) to the USB stick, and your BIOS will emulate a CD drive, and read your stick fine. |
| 15:26.59 | beardy | KeiKurono: So, have you done that, or do you have any problem? |
| 15:27.24 | KeiKurono | beardy, i'm starting, but don't know if my bios can do that actually |
| 15:27.35 | beardy | KeiKurono: What machine is this? |
| 15:27.59 | KeiKurono | intel core2 quad cpu |
| 15:28.53 | beardy | KeiKurono: I'm sure it'll be able to do that then.. try that first anyway since it's easiest. |
| 15:29.03 | beardy | KeiKurono: Are you on windows right now then? |
| 15:29.18 | KeiKurono | beardy, yes |
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| 15:29.29 | KeiKurono | try that what ? |
| 15:29.43 | KeiKurono | usb ^ |
| 15:29.46 | KeiKurono | ? |
| 15:30.00 | beardy | KeiKurono: Writing the netinstaller cd image, raw, to a USB stick. |
| 15:30.12 | KeiKurono | beardy, ok, thanks |
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| 15:31.48 | JyZyXEL | i need to get like a dv1394 cam and use it as a webcam |
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| 15:32.02 | JyZyXEL | maybe that would work better than these crappy webcam modules that just rape everything |
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| 15:33.05 | beardy | KeiKurono: You can either use dd for windows, or a program called flashnul (be careful that you choose the correct device to write to). |
| 15:33.49 | KeiKurono | beardy, will my pen be ok for that though.. |
| 15:34.12 | beardy | KeiKurono: On http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install scroll down to "Writing bootable stick from Windows" to see how to write the installer to the stick. (Use the installer for your architechture, not the eeepc image mentioned there, but.. just to show you how to write it) |
| 15:34.44 | beardy | KeiKurono: If it's a standard USB disk device, and is big enough, yes. |
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| 15:34.55 | KeiKurono | thanks beardy |
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| 15:35.16 | Evet | i typed "deny from all" to .htaccess, but doesnt work |
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| 15:36.14 | paxcoder | you know that bug with cookies in Iceweasel? Well, since sessions use cookies, sessions are subject to it as well.... Man... |
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| 15:36.34 | liable | which bug? |
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| 15:37.06 | iluminator101 | icedove does not open any http link anymore? |
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| 15:37.26 | ranix | I don't know that bug with cookies in iceweasel |
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| 15:38.47 | terminallystill | hi |
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| 15:39.05 | paxcoder | liable: it forgets cookies if they are set shortly before the browser is closed when using a profile from an older version (ie when you update your Mozilla-based browser from 2.0 to 3.0, and use the same profile). |
| 15:39.14 | terminallystill | hi |
| 15:40.00 | liable | paxcoder: sounds fairly minor to me.. how often do you upgrade, and are session cookies really that important? |
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| 15:40.29 | paxcoder | it's pretty big for me. session identifies you to web pages. |
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| 15:41.17 | ranix | don't see the problem |
| 15:41.28 | paxcoder | ranix: 490307 |
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| 15:42.00 | paxcoder | (that's the bug's ID in dbts) |
| 15:42.32 | ranix | yeah just looked it up |
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| 15:43.03 | edico | hi |
| 15:43.05 | agroker | what files are providing Debian splashscreens during reboot? I'm actually Mepis user, but added some Debian repositories and apparently installed some of Debian artwork and/or utils, would liek to go backto Mepis artwork |
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| 15:44.00 | J_P | Hi all.. |
| 15:44.24 | edico | for an intel pentium dual-core do you recommend amd64 or i386 installation disk? |
| 15:44.47 | ranix | edico: how much ram |
| 15:44.58 | J_P | People, This question is not directaly with Debian, but I use Debian with this modem :-) Wel, I have a question about modules of gsm modems, like as g20, g24 of motorola or another gsm module: All this modules has a MAC ADDRESS? |
| 15:45.03 | edico | ranix: 4 GB |
| 15:45.14 | ranix | edico: amd64 |
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| 15:45.57 | Evet | How can I change server time? |
| 15:45.57 | liable | you can use a bigmem kernel on 386 |
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| 15:46.08 | edico | ranix: the minimal disk for netinstall has fdisk |
| 15:46.17 | edico | I just bought a new comp |
| 15:46.24 | edico | I want to put a debian on it |
| 15:46.39 | ranix | evet: date, or ask fpkg about !timezones or ntpd |
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| 15:47.31 | KeiKurono | dd if="C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\debianusb" of=\\.\l <-- error opening input file: 5 Accesso negato |
| 15:47.41 | EagleScreen | agroker: it is usplash or splashy |
| 15:47.55 | terminallystill | hi |
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| 15:47.56 | terminallystill | hi |
| 15:48.00 | terminallystill | recall |
| 15:48.01 | terminallystill | hi |
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| 15:48.14 | agroker | EagleScreen, tnx |
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| 15:49.02 | terminallystill | ikilikip? |
| 15:49.05 | J_P | anyone ? |
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| 15:50.21 | paxcoder | KeiKurono: there is no C drive in unix-like systems (that's not how they are labeled) and also, your second argument is strange ("\.l"?) |
| 15:50.25 | iluminator101 | how do you install a package from stable repo only? |
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| 15:50.50 | KeiKurono | paxcoder, i'm on winxp try to set a usb debian |
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| 15:51.51 | Evet | ranix, can i change only one string? |
| 15:51.58 | Snuggles_ | What size should I make my swap if I have 4 gb memory |
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| 15:52.16 | Snuggles_ | I have heard that to big swap may slow your computer down |
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| 15:52.26 | terminallystill | 3 gigs |
| 15:52.42 | terminallystill | ;l |
| 15:52.55 | freenose | How do I make grub detect my windows install? |
| 15:53.26 | zmen01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.27 | paxcoder | KeiKurono: wouldn't know about Windows. |
| 15:53.57 | paxcoder | zmen01: join #sed, and ask that |
| 15:55.04 | KeiKurono | i'm doing with flashnul seems ok |
| 15:55.09 | freenose | grub2 |
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| 15:56.22 | paxcoder | ppl there are channels specific for this stuff. freenose: #grub |
| 15:56.47 | terminallystill | :< |
| 15:56.52 | terminallystill | nose grub ? |
| 15:56.57 | terminallystill | :<< |
| 15:57.39 | KeiKurono | here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install#PuttingtheimageontoaUSBstick say to put only the .img, but what about vmlinuz and initrd.gz? shouldn't they will be inside the usb pen too? |
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| 15:58.14 | Snuggles_ | The installationguide seem a bit old so... what size should my partitions be |
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| 15:58.37 | Snuggles_ | "/var" for exampel |
| 15:58.55 | terminallystill | hi <<.>>>. |
| 15:58.58 | Snuggles_ | and how much do I need for the root partition |
| 15:59.03 | KeiKurono | beardy, ? |
| 15:59.18 | stew | Snuggles_: why are you going to have /var on a separate partition? |
| 15:59.24 | terminallystill | depends on os.... try 59 gigs |
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| 15:59.42 | stew | terminallystill: you can safely assume the os is debian |
| 15:59.43 | terminallystill | 59 gigs is a good number for you ;) |
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| 16:01.08 | terminallystill | ki --> |
| 16:01.11 | terminallystill | --> |
| 16:01.50 | paxcoder | terminallystill: what's up with you and the less(greater)than signs? |
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| 16:02.04 | Snuggles_ | stew: So I can have a seperate file system on "/var" |
| 16:02.09 | Snuggles_ | to optimize |
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| 16:02.28 | terminallystill | soooo.... debian |
| 16:02.30 | stew | Snuggles_: are you going to keep large databases in /var/lib? large websites on /var/www ? |
| 16:02.34 | terminallystill | i've only installed it once |
| 16:02.41 | terminallystill | and i didn't really love it you know... |
| 16:02.47 | terminallystill | but i'de work on it again |
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| 16:03.01 | terminallystill | i['de rather have jsut talked about it than installing it ;p |
| 16:03.26 | makoshark86 | simple question i'm sure, why am i getting this: E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g |
| 16:03.29 | Snuggles_ | stew: Kind of. |
| 16:03.40 | Snuggles_ | many smal files |
| 16:03.42 | makoshark86 | does it live somewhere special? |
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| 16:04.13 | perlmonkey2 | Anyone know where the default logs are for selinux? |
| 16:04.13 | YiamiYo | hi...i'm trying to install debian at my power mac g4 |
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| 16:04.29 | YiamiYo | i boot from cd and then i write install |
| 16:04.35 | paxcoder | makoshark86: nope. |
| 16:04.43 | YiamiYo | i get: "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 16:04.48 | makoshark86 | paxcoder, why does apt-get install ntfs-3g fail? |
| 16:04.51 | stew | Snuggles_: i ask becuase this is how you decide how big var is going to need to be. it woudl be impossible for us to know how big your /var has to be becuase we dont' know what you are going to store there |
| 16:04.52 | YiamiYo | and reboot int 180 secs |
| 16:04.55 | makoshark86 | i'm on etch |
| 16:05.10 | hark_ | makoshark86: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 16:05.38 | paxcoder | makoshark86: maybe you messed up /etc/apt/sources.list *shrugs*. |
| 16:05.56 | makoshark86 | it consists of two lines |
| 16:06.00 | makoshark86 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 16:06.04 | makoshark86 | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 16:06.12 | paxcoder | oh, you're on etch |
| 16:06.19 | makoshark86 | yea |
| 16:06.25 | paxcoder | do what hark_ told you |
| 16:06.34 | makoshark86 | what is the /msg part? |
| 16:06.43 | makoshark86 | just to type it in irc? |
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| 16:06.48 | paxcoder | just type it in, yes. |
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| 16:07.00 | makoshark86 | dpkg needs an action option |
| 16:07.00 | dpkg | makoshark86: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 16:07.20 | makoshark86 | ah the bot |
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| 16:07.43 | makoshark86 | is upgrading to lenny simple? |
| 16:07.49 | makoshark86 | if i just change etch to lenny in sources.list |
| 16:07.50 | Snuggles_ | what I meant was how much the standard components in "/var" is |
| 16:07.53 | makoshark86 | or would it be easier to just go to backports.org |
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| 16:10.06 | themill | makoshark86: "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" it's relatively trivial but not as trivial as using backports.org |
| 16:10.26 | KeiKurono | i loaded a usb debian but when it has to search for an iso he didn't find one, plus the network card detection fail! |
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| 16:13.37 | KeiKurono | i think i'll need a usb ethernet adaptator ?? |
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| 16:13.58 | ajavid | no |
| 16:14.24 | ajavid | did you put the iso on the right place? you can go and manually mount it in tty2 |
| 16:14.31 | ajavid | brb |
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| 16:15.14 | KeiKurono | ajavid, no actually i don't have an iso, i follow instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 16:15.24 | KeiKurono | i just put on the stick boot.img |
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| 16:17.37 | at0m | jpinx-eeepc: ^ |
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| 16:20.10 | jpinx-eeepc | KeiKurono: there's instructions on how to install from a usb in debian.org. The stuff in the eeepc wiki is specific for eeepc's |
| 16:20.20 | JordiGH | So who's felt appreciated so far? |
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| 16:21.34 | KeiKurono | besides of the boot.img raw written in the usb i have add the netinst iso to it right ? |
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| 16:22.13 | stew | KeiKurono: yes |
| 16:22.28 | jpinx-eeepc | KeiKurono: probably |
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| 16:22.39 | KeiKurono | but i think the network detection will fail that way too |
| 16:23.17 | jpinx-eeepc | KeiKurono: better to read debian.org how to netinstall from a usb device |
| 16:24.12 | KeiKurono | jpinx-eeepc, i can find very little informations: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s04.html.en#id2705174 |
| 16:24.29 | beardy | KeiKurono: No, I meant just write the netinstaller ISO image to the stick. Then boot. |
| 16:24.41 | twobitsprite | how do you tell if a you are running a 64-bit kernel? |
| 16:24.44 | KeiKurono | the actual problem is the network card detection |
| 16:24.53 | stew | KeiKurono: what network card do you have? |
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| 16:25.03 | KeiKurono | beardy, raw write? |
| 16:25.07 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: AFAIK many machines can boot from a stick with a cd image on it. |
| 16:25.14 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: uname -r |
| 16:25.34 | KeiKurono | steve, Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC |
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| 16:25.41 | KeiKurono | stew, Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC |
| 16:25.48 | beardy | KeiKurono: So that's why I said try that first, then the boot.img and filesystem way, described elsewhere, to boot from USB. |
| 16:25.52 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: thanks... so if it just says "2.6.26-2-686" then its not 64-bit? |
| 16:26.14 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Nope. |
| 16:26.14 | stew | KeiKurono: oh wait, this is an EeePC and you are following the EeePC instructions and still haveing trouble? |
| 16:26.18 | beardy | But I/we really have to confirm that.. |
| 16:26.47 | beardy | No, he does not have a eeepc, I just showed him how to write a cd image, raw, to a usb stick, in windows, stew. |
| 16:26.58 | stew | oh |
| 16:27.05 | beardy | As it is described in the Debian Eeepc wiki. |
| 16:27.14 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: ok... cool. Now, how would I tell if the processor supported 64-bit? |
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| 16:27.41 | twobitsprite | in /proc/cpuinfo I see "clflush size : 64", but nothing else says "64" |
| 16:27.42 | KeiKurono | so now i'm putting the netinst iso in the usb pen, but will the network detection go ok with this move? :/ |
| 16:28.05 | beardy | KeiKurono: Please try that, and let us know if you can boot from it like that. |
| 16:28.06 | stew | judd: pciname 8168 |
| 16:28.08 | judd | stew: '8168' matched: [10ec:8168] 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.', [10ec:1849] '8168 Motherboard (one of many)' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.', [1106:10ec] '8168 High Definition Audio' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' |
| 16:28.15 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:28.17 | stew | judd pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 16:28.18 | judd | stew: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 16:28.35 | stew | KeiKurono: that card should be supported by the r8169 module in lenny ^^ |
| 16:28.38 | KeiKurono | beardy, i tried before with boot.img and it worked, thought he could not detect network |
| 16:28.40 | jpinx-eeepc | KeiKurono: netinstall from usb is trivial |
| 16:28.43 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: ok, so it would say if it was 64bit? |
| 16:28.53 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Well, what does it say? |
| 16:28.58 | KeiKurono | jpinx-eeepc, i guess i donwloaded the wrong iso |
| 16:29.06 | twobitsprite | JordiGH: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz |
| 16:29.13 | jpinx-eeepc | KeiKurono: I kept telling you where to look |
| 16:29.22 | zmen01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.25 | stew | KeiKurono: so boot the installer, if it doesn't detect your network, hit alt-f2 to get to a text console, run "modprobe r8169" then hit alt-f1 to get back to the isntaller, then retry network detection |
| 16:29.26 | beardy | KeiKurono: Alright. Was that the same installer, as recent as the lenny netinstaller? |
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| 16:29.57 | KeiKurono | better trying the new one, i'll be back soon, thanks |
| 16:30.05 | stew | KeiKurono: which new one? |
| 16:30.15 | beardy | It would be nice to confirm if what I said is correct or not, that one can write the netinstaller cd image to a stick and boot it, and NOT do it the special way with a kernel, and then a file system image. |
| 16:30.15 | KeiKurono | nestinst 5.02 |
| 16:30.16 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Not sure, to be frank. Grep instead for clflush, perhaps? Mine says 64. |
| 16:30.45 | twobitsprite | yeah, it says 64... but I wasn't sure what clflush meant |
| 16:30.45 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: yes - you can do that |
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| 16:31.08 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Confirmed from more than one source then. ;) |
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| 16:31.24 | JordiGH | twobitsprite: Some Pentium 4 chips support x86-64, some don't. |
| 16:31.44 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: any netinstall method will work from usb - it's not important where the installer is on your system, only that your system is capable of booting it |
| 16:32.14 | stew | KeiKurono: oh, which one were you trying previously? |
| 16:32.26 | rozie | twobitsprite: paste cat /proc/cpuinfo on pastebin |
| 16:32.34 | macrobat | how do i know which bioses allow booting from a usb stick? |
| 16:32.35 | KeiKurono | tel |
| 16:32.43 | stew | que? |
| 16:32.44 | jpinx-eeepc | stew: he only had boot.img - no netinstaller at all |
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| 16:32.48 | stew | oh |
| 16:32.53 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Well. It is a bit of a difference, as only "modern" bioses can read it from the USB, being a cd image, not an emulated floppy, as the old way to boot USB sticks is, afaik.. |
| 16:33.00 | jpinx-eeepc | macrobat: best way is to try it |
| 16:33.17 | macrobat | buy a load of mobos :) |
| 16:33.24 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: different problem - not really a debian issue |
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| 16:33.37 | petemc | should be obvious if you check the boot order configuration in the bios |
| 16:33.48 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Eh? Of course it fucking is a Debian issue when I am talking about giving adive to people installing Debian.. |
| 16:33.58 | jpinx-eeepc | macrobat: read your bios at boot time |
| 16:34.11 | stew | easy |
| 16:34.16 | jpinx-eeepc | it's a bios issue beardy ;) |
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| 16:34.34 | beardy | Since the boot.img and fs image way is the only one described everywhere BUT the eeepc wiki, it most certainly is.. |
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| 16:34.45 | beardy | People run Debian on computers with BIOSes. |
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| 16:35.03 | themill | zmen01: it would be easier for people to help you if you put in a pastebin a few sample lines of input and what you'd like them to look like after transformation |
| 16:35.22 | macrobat | in this computer its obvious that it doesnt boot from usb, in the bios of my laptop usb is mentioned, when i move the usb priority up, i still cant boot from it |
| 16:35.54 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 16:36.35 | stew | macrobat: sounds like it would boot usb, but the usb you currently have isnt' bootable |
| 16:36.47 | stew | macrobat: i mean, whatever you currently have plugged into usb isnt' bootable |
| 16:37.33 | macrobat | ty, i will read up |
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| 16:38.10 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Yes. That is DIFFERENT, from putting the netinstaller.iso on a stick. http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 16:38.17 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I agree that it is not obvious and badly documented from that link - but it does exist |
| 16:38.28 | EugenMayer | hello iam getting problems with my lenny client in my VM enviroment. It seems its because of the SMP kernel i use for the client. What are my alternatives? |
| 16:39.01 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: I know. But that's not what I'm talking about.. |
| 16:39.15 | dutchfish | EugenMayer, what VM environment? |
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| 16:41.13 | EugenMayer | dutchfish: vmware-server 2.0.1..host is an debian lenny 64 bit with an quadcore intel |
| 16:41.45 | jpinx-eeepc | ok beardy I have no clue how else to do netinstall other than by downloading and booting the netinstall image, even if it is hard to know which things to download. That bit of debian.org does debian no justice at all and should be made a *lot* more user-friendly |
| 16:41.58 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: On many boxes nowadays you can boot a USB stick, with the netinstaller intended for a cd, it is easier to write one image file, the cd image to a USB stick, than to format the stick properly, then put a kernel on it, then a compressed filesystem image on it. So I'm trying to confirm if it is common enough to be good advice. |
| 16:42.04 | dutchfish | EugenMayer, what version vmwaretools? |
| 16:42.16 | EugenMayer | dutchfish: no vmwaretools installed |
| 16:42.19 | Cain | how to know wich encoding is applied to a file ? |
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| 16:42.50 | dutchfish | EugenMayer, http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-vmware-tools-on-debian-lenny-5.0.2-with-gnome-desktop-on-esx-server-3.5-update-4 |
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| 16:43.11 | EugenMayer | dutchfish: thank you! |
| 16:43.12 | themill | Cain: try "file filename" but it won't always work.... it's not always possible to tell automatically. |
| 16:43.17 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I have a mini CD netinstaller ona usb stick and it works if your computers bios supports booting from a usb device. One of mine does, the other doesn't |
| 16:43.47 | Cain | themill : it works ^^ thx |
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| 16:44.27 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: but someone needs to sort out that considerable confusion about what to download and put on the stick |
| 16:44.35 | KeiKurono | stew, previously i tried setting up the usb with the usb boot.img i downloaded from debian repository |
| 16:44.41 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: That's right. But, the first machines able to boot from USB, requires the stick to be like a bootable floppy. They can not handle an ISO-9660 bootable cd image on it. Modern ones can. |
| 16:44.59 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Yes. |
| 16:45.09 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Hence why I am trying to, now. |
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| 16:45.53 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I have no idea why the FTP site is such a mess, but it has put a *lot* of people off debian - it becomes too difficult |
| 16:46.11 | dutchfish | EugenMayer, or: http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny-p5 |
| 16:46.22 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Perhaps. That's not my point or what I think though. |
| 16:46.26 | ranix | what ftp site are we talking about jpinx-eeepc |
| 16:46.49 | pozic | Ok, so, ntfs-3g + rsnapshot doesn't work, because of "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84)". |
| 16:47.15 | pozic | Does this mean there is no way to do backups to ntfs file systems? |
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| 16:47.32 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:47.41 | themill | pozic: I wouldn't have thought rsnapshot would work on ntfs anyway, given that it needs to be able to make symlinks |
| 16:47.44 | KeiKurono | now writing up the netinst |
| 16:48.26 | pozic | themill: NTFS supports hardlinks, and according to some Ubuntu report there is only an issue with how Ubuntu does it (using old versions, wrong compilations options, etc. ). |
| 16:48.45 | pozic | themill: I am just referring to the top Google result for my error message. |
| 16:49.09 | pozic | It also appears that the maintainer doesn't understand what the submitter was saying on purpose. |
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| 16:49.24 | KeiKurono | brb soon |
| 16:49.51 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Either way.. I'm trying to/will confirm this, so it can be less confusion in the end, and so that I can be sure about what I adviced kei..that just quit. |
| 16:50.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/pxelinux.cfg/ |
| 16:50.02 | themill | pozic: I didn't know ntfs could support hard links at all... you learn something every day! |
| 16:50.28 | macrobat | i started a second X session and had it on vc8 and closed it, now this X session im using has moved from vc7 to vc8. is this the way it should be? |
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| 16:50.49 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: yes, this ftp site is unintelligible |
| 16:50.54 | ranix | you are correct, sir |
| 16:51.06 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks ranix :-/ |
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| 16:51.53 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: if you can identify the mini-netinstall image in amongst that mess and link it to a factoid that would be excellent |
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| 16:52.38 | dutchfish | themill, only some files can not be hardlinked unless a sysprep is run in front before cloning/rsyncing th entfs partiotion, example: boot.ini |
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| 16:52.52 | zmen01 | i have a file, with like 2 million characters on one line, i like to convert this file to seperated lines, the line has multiple instances of a date in this way mm/dd/yyyy... each time before mm/dd/yyyy appears i like to create a new line that stats with this date so all new lines start with mm/dd/yyyy for example 05/05/2008 usual text... is this possible in bash? or would i need some other lang for this? |
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| 16:53.35 | pozic | zmen01: possible in bash, but I wouldn't use bash. |
| 16:53.54 | pozic | zmen01: use whatever language you are comfortable in. |
| 16:54.06 | themill | pozic: by "bash" he probably means shell script (i.e. use sed etc) |
| 16:54.17 | abrotman | zmen01: i think you want #bash |
| 16:54.18 | judgepg | Hi folks, has anyone been able to use alpine from the terminal to send e-mail, rather than going through the application? |
| 16:54.20 | pozic | themill: yes, me too. |
| 16:54.31 | ranix | zmen01: cat file | sed 's_mm/dd/yyyy_\n\rmm_dd_yyyy_g' >fixedfile |
| 16:54.32 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Well.. there is no single image file for USB sticks, as they are treated like floppy disks, have been treated like floppy disks. I'm saying/wondering if it can be assumed nowadays that most BIOSes does "CD emulation" when necessary, when booting USB devices. |
| 16:55.00 | ranix | ehr |
| 16:55.06 | ranix | zmen01: cat file | sed 's_mm/dd/yyyy_\n\rmm/dd/yyyy_g' >fixedfile |
| 16:55.16 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Then one can always advice people to just write the netinstaller cd image, to a USB stick. |
| 16:55.22 | pozic | Can sed recognize dates? |
| 16:55.25 | ranix | is my usual sed delimiter so I got confused |
| 16:55.32 | ranix | sed doesn't care about dates, it only cares about patterns |
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| 16:55.47 | themill | ranix: so the pattern mm/dd/yyyy means what? |
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| 16:55.51 | pozic | ranix: right, so this won't ever works. |
| 16:55.55 | pozic | ranix: work* |
| 16:55.56 | beardy | If you give it a pattern matching dates, of course. |
| 16:56.12 | ranix | use [0-9] in place of each m, d, or y |
| 16:56.29 | pozic | But you need to bind variables. |
| 16:56.30 | ranix | or be as specific as possible within the range |
| 16:56.33 | macrobat | months go from 1 to 12 :) |
| 16:56.40 | beardy | pozic: Use , as delimiter if you use a broken date format with slash as delimiter and month and day mixed up and the like. |
| 16:56.55 | themill | sed 's,\(../../....\),\n\r\1,g is crude but would work |
| 16:57.00 | junix | question, i am about to upgrade a server, and throw 6 1TB drives in the system, using a 3ware RAID card, but the CPU is a P3 1.4Ghz, what is the largest volume size i can use with 32bit Linux?? |
| 16:57.10 | zmen01 | ranix, doesnt create new lines |
| 16:57.11 | pozic | Probably binding variables to patterns is possible in sed, but that's not what he did. |
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| 16:57.42 | ranix | oooh right I see what I did |
| 16:57.45 | ranix | lol thanks themill |
| 16:57.47 | JordiGH | lol |
| 16:58.02 | themill | ranix: :) |
| 16:58.07 | ranix | I've been using awk lately and lost a couple proficiency points in sed, apparently |
| 16:58.12 | zmen01 | ranix, any idea how it could work? |
| 16:58.12 | judgepg | Guys, can anyone help me understand why e-mails aren't being sent from within php mail()? |
| 16:58.17 | dutchfish | junix, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 16:58.25 | judgepg | any helpp would be kindly apprecated |
| 16:58.45 | ranix | zmen01: check themill's suggestion, use (pattern) and \1 style variable substitution, it's a feature of sed |
| 16:59.07 | JordiGH | judgepg: I don't know about PHP, but what's your MTA and is it setup properly? |
| 16:59.25 | abrotman | judgepg: do they work from the command line ? |
| 16:59.25 | ranix | zmen01: to be safe I would replace his .s with [0-1] or [0-9] as is appropriate |
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| 16:59.30 | ranix | but it's not necessary depending on the format of your file |
| 16:59.42 | zmen01 | cat file | sed 's,\(../../....\),\n\r\1,' <- like that? |
| 16:59.42 | KeiKurono | ok netinst + usb doesn't work out to me |
| 16:59.47 | KeiKurono | it freeze on boot |
| 16:59.58 | judgepg | abrotman: I tried mail -s "test" but the outbound e-mails aren't working. I have exim4 running |
| 17:00.03 | ranix | zmen01: don't forget a < newfile |
| 17:00.06 | ranix | ehr |
| 17:00.08 | ranix | > newfile |
| 17:00.15 | abrotman | judgepg: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. pick a config that works for you |
| 17:00.17 | KeiKurono | how can i solve the network detection failure issue? |
| 17:00.28 | judgepg | abrotman: thanks man. Let me try that out |
| 17:00.42 | ranix | cat can do inline editing with a switch but I forgot the option and am too lazy to man |
| 17:00.45 | junix | dutchfish: that doesn't tell me if it is 32/64 or will it matter? |
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| 17:00.51 | ranix | -f or something |
| 17:00.53 | zmen01 | works, finally |
| 17:00.54 | zmen01 | thanks |
| 17:00.58 | ranix | thank themill |
| 17:01.09 | zmen01 | any suggestons on how i can properly learn sed? |
| 17:01.13 | zmen01 | this is so powerfull |
| 17:01.15 | dutchfish | junix, xfs can even do 16.386 PB, and no 32/64bit does not mather |
| 17:01.23 | ranix | use it for similar tasks in the future |
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| 17:01.30 | ranix | or things like altering html |
| 17:01.30 | junix | dutchfish: ok cool! |
| 17:01.41 | junix | xfs is SGI, right? |
| 17:01.46 | junix | its been a while |
| 17:01.52 | ranix | once you know about sed and awk and perl you tend to use them when you need them |
| 17:02.14 | dutchfish | junix, but i would rather like to use LVM2 for this and cut it into logical volumes wich can hold each a dif FS to your needs |
| 17:02.29 | ranix | zmen01: my recent project was printing a massive (over 9000) batch of invoices that could only be gotten out of a database by actually physically printing them, to a text printer driver |
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| 17:02.35 | ranix | zmen01: and parsing the results with sed and awk |
| 17:02.37 | abrotman | junix: XFS was created by SGI for use with IRIX, but they gave it to linux (and who knows who else) |
| 17:02.38 | junix | dutchfish: ok |
| 17:02.52 | YiamiYo | anyone did dual boot mac 8.6 and debian at power mac g4 before? |
| 17:02.53 | dutchfish | !tell junix about lvm2 |
| 17:02.57 | ranix | stuff like that isn't just possible, but feasable with the right tools |
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| 17:03.20 | abrotman | YiamiYo: OS8 ? i've done it with OSX and debian .. |
| 17:03.35 | YiamiYo | osx is easy... |
| 17:03.44 | YiamiYo | i need help with the partitions...:/ |
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| 17:03.55 | junix | dutchfish: this server isn't serving anything important, it will be one logical drive...and prolly 1 partition. |
| 17:04.33 | dutchfish | junix, but rem that you better do a separate root/swap partition at lthe least |
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| 17:05.05 | dutchfish | junix, in case of disaster on your data valume you are able to boot |
| 17:05.12 | junix | yeah... |
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| 17:05.56 | dutchfish | junix, with lvm you can always change things more easely like growing or shrinking or expanding volumes |
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| 17:06.11 | junix | erally??? |
| 17:06.16 | pinholecamera | hey folks, how goes it |
| 17:06.27 | judgepg | abrotman: I've reconfigured to use smarthost with no local mail. Still not seeing outbound e-mails coming through to Gmail. Any other thoughts? I guess I should do some more homework first, but any immediate thoughts? |
| 17:06.27 | dutchfish | junix, if you know how, yup, read the fine manuals |
| 17:06.27 | ranix | I have a question for myself. I recently yanked my hard disk, stuck it in a USB enclosure on a working system, did a cp /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 (where that's an all-inclusive / partition with no special /home, /boot or anything, all on one partition), then installed GRUB on the new drive with rescue mode of the Debian Lenny install CD. Now, more often than not, my new cloned system hangs during starting init.d. Occasionally it doesn't. I don't k |
| 17:06.28 | junix | i haven't played with it much |
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| 17:07.13 | pinholecamera | was wondering, i am trying to setup my debian box here to have a second virtual IP so i can setup a second SSL cert on apache. i can't recall for the life of me how to do it, can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 17:07.26 | abrotman | judgepg: check your queue or mail.log .. see what happened |
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| 17:07.30 | dutchfish | junix, maybe now is time ;) |
| 17:07.41 | abrotman | pinholecamera: the interfaces file |
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| 17:08.10 | pinholecamera | abrotman: /etc/network/interfaces, yes? |
| 17:08.17 | judgepg | abrotman: be back in a moment. Thanks i'll check it. |
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| 17:08.52 | junix | dutchfish: its not a high priority server |
| 17:09.18 | dutchfish | junix, still, that knowledge will com ein handy for future projects, i bet |
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| 17:10.07 | pinholecamera | ahh, and then just add eth0:1 |
| 17:10.12 | dutchfish | junix, but be sure to stick to ext3 is possible or xfs for the data, but read read, test est first |
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| 17:10.49 | dutchfish | junix, and yes lvm2 is a great tool |
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| 17:17.09 | KeiKurono | stew, any help? |
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| 17:19.37 | paxcoder | ` s Lifearea tray icon keeps disappearing and reappearing |
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| 17:21.48 | KeiKurono | my lenny setup fail detect network card: RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC tried modprobing r8169 too |
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| 17:24.53 | Titan8990_ | does ifconfig -a show the interface after modprobe? |
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| 17:25.44 | abrotman | lspci -nn would help |
| 17:26.03 | Titan8990_ | or lspci -k |
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| 17:27.51 | abrotman | the -k won't show the PCIID |
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| 17:29.25 | KeiKurono | i guess the installer just sucks |
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| 17:30.53 | judgepg | abrotman: I've done a quick mail test, and in looking at the /var/log/exim4/mainlog I'm getting the following error: 2009-07-31 13:20:20 1MWuxW-0001CZ-NM alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.220.34] Connection timed out |
| 17:31.15 | judgepg | abrotman: port 25 is not firewalled |
| 17:31.16 | marcompile_ | Hello, I have a C program that runs a script (eg. using popen()) and this script produces a lot of output, I need my C program to read the output of this script and process it while the script is still running. How can I make it? |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 17:31.36 | abrotman | judgepg: so you can telnet to that port on that IP ? |
| 17:31.49 | abrotman | marcompile_: ##c |
| 17:31.55 | judgepg | telnet alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com 25 |
| 17:31.59 | judgepg | sorry |
| 17:32.03 | judgepg | lol, wrong screen |
| 17:32.03 | JordiGH | lol |
| 17:32.05 | abrotman | times out |
| 17:32.51 | judgepg | abrotman: actually, I'm getting timed out when I telnet into this. Think the ISP is blocking this? |
| 17:32.56 | _AnywhereIs_ | ask your ISP/check your firewall settings. i can connect to port 25 of that server. |
| 17:32.57 | judgepg | I can ping that add |
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| 17:33.18 | judgepg | _AnywhereIs_: thanks for confirming. Anyway around this port 25 limitation? |
| 17:33.20 | abrotman | judgepg: or they are .. try port 587 |
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| 17:33.49 | abrotman | judgepg: so can i |
| 17:33.49 | judgepg | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:34.37 | _AnywhereIs_ | is now installing debian lenny on pentium 1 200mhz, 64 mb ram(simm) lol |
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| 17:36.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | whats a lol |
| 17:36.04 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 17:36.46 | Evet | I downloaded a .deb package. How can I install it via terminal? |
| 17:36.49 | Quaoar | sometimes boot stops at Activating swap... |
| 17:37.04 | Quaoar | Evet, dpkg -i /path/ |
| 17:37.04 | _AnywhereIs_ | dpkg -i package-name.deb |
| 17:37.05 | dpkg | installs package-name.deb into _anywhereis_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 17:37.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | lol =) |
| 17:37.14 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 17:38.06 | Quaoar | sometimes boot stops at Activating swap... |
| 17:38.11 | Quaoar | have no idea why |
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| 17:38.47 | Evet | Quaoar, http://pastebin.com/d398d000d |
| 17:38.49 | Evet | _AnywhereIs_, http://pastebin.com/d398d000d |
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| 17:39.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | Evet: apt-get install php5 php5-cli webalizer |
| 17:40.32 | Evet | _AnywhereIs_, done it. still doesnt work anything |
| 17:40.45 | _AnywhereIs_ | what writes this time? |
| 17:40.45 | Quaoar | Evet, apt-get -f install |
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| 17:42.02 | Evet | _AnywhereIs_, http://pastebin.com/d29ae787 |
| 17:42.02 | zenwryly | I thought I was on ext3, but my dmesg shows several "EXT4-fs: " lines (http://pastebin.com/m190f4405, http://pastebin.com/m77603174). Does that mean that my filesystem did somehow get converted to ext4? |
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| 17:42.56 | Quaoar | Evet, apt-get -f install |
| 17:42.59 | Evet | Quaoar, it intalled Syscp |
| 17:43.02 | Quaoar | ok |
| 17:43.08 | Evet | but, how? |
| 17:43.14 | Evet | only type apt-get -f install |
| 17:43.28 | Quaoar | :)) |
| 17:43.34 | Quaoar | yeah, nice trick |
| 17:43.41 | Quaoar | apt-get is pretty smart |
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| 17:45.01 | Quaoar | i have never had this problem before with debian |
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| 17:45.15 | Evet | Quaoar, so when someone type apt-get -f install, on debian, it installed syscpp? |
| 17:45.35 | Quaoar | Evet, no, it installs missing dependencies |
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| 17:46.11 | cobra-the-joker | can i run debian 5 on a desktop with 2.5 GB ram ....for desktop , office ,web dev , GUI programming ^ ^ |
| 17:46.17 | Evet | Quaoar, thanks ;) |
| 17:46.23 | Quaoar | Evet, no prob |
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| 17:46.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | cobra-the-joker: i even trying to launch it at 64 mb ram, pentium 1 :D |
| 17:46.43 | the-dude | cobra-the-joker: should be ok :) |
| 17:47.01 | cobra-the-joker | thats great :D |
| 17:47.08 | Quaoar | cobra-the-joker, i'm running it on a p3 with 128 ram |
| 17:47.14 | the-dude | depending on your use and skillz ;) |
| 17:47.21 | cobra-the-joker | thats really comforting :D |
| 17:47.33 | Quaoar | yeah, but i use fluxbox |
| 17:47.35 | Quaoar | :P |
| 17:47.40 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 17:47.40 | JordiGH | lol |
| 17:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a lol |
| 17:47.49 | cobra-the-joker | i am using fluxbox too ..with arch |
| 17:48.11 | cobra-the-joker | arch is a waste of a time |
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| 17:48.34 | _AnywhereIs_ | CutMeOwnThroat: http://lmg.xp.cx/lol/ |
| 17:48.34 | JordiGH | lol |
| 17:48.37 | cobra-the-joker | you have to do everything by your hand ....but its good after all |
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| 17:49.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | _AnywhereIs_, that's NOT the point |
| 17:49.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 17:49.23 | JordiGH | lol |
| 17:49.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:49.45 | cobra-the-joker | i dont think so :D |
| 17:49.53 | zenwryly | Do "EXT4-fs: " lines in dmesg (http://pastebin.com/m190f4405, http://pastebin.com/m77603174) mean that my filesystem did somehow get converted to ext4? |
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| 17:50.32 | Quaoar | can someone pastebin his fstab? |
| 17:50.38 | jelly | zenwryly: it means you have mounted something as ext4 |
| 17:51.02 | Quaoar | i need to see something |
| 17:51.03 | linduxed | how can i make a sweep of pings to see what adresses in a range of for instance 192.168.1.(1-100)? |
| 17:51.09 | zenwryly | jelly: but my fstab says ext3 |
| 17:51.16 | zenwryly | jelly: do you mean at some point in the past? |
| 17:51.35 | jelly | zenwryly: dmesg only carries messages from the current boot. |
| 17:51.53 | cobra-the-joker | does CD 1 have KDE in it ? |
| 17:51.54 | linduxed | or whatever youd do to check if there are computers connected |
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| 17:52.04 | jelly | zenwryly: confirm with /proc/mounts |
| 17:52.11 | zenwryly | jelly: right, and my fstab only has ext3 |
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| 17:52.13 | zenwryly | jelly: k, thaks |
| 17:52.27 | Quaoar | cobra-the-joker, yeah, just erased arch, i know |
| 17:52.37 | zenwryly | jelly: there it is, ext4 |
| 17:52.41 | zenwryly | jelly: thanks |
| 17:52.44 | Quaoar | terrible waste of time |
| 17:52.56 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
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| 17:53.13 | KeiKurono | hi again |
| 17:53.30 | cobra-the-joker | to debian then :D |
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| 17:53.53 | KeiKurono | i can't get to work the debian setup, it refuses to detect network card i don't know what to do |
| 17:54.00 | Quaoar | cobra-the-joker, can you pastebin your fstab, i wanna see if there's something wrong with mine |
| 17:54.09 | n-iCe | KeiKurono: you can configure the network later |
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| 17:54.32 | Titan8990_ | n-iCe, not if your doing netinst |
| 17:54.45 | n-iCe | that's correct |
| 17:54.47 | KeiKurono | i'm doing netinst |
| 17:54.51 | n-iCe | ah |
| 17:56.05 | Quaoar | 'doh |
| 17:56.12 | KeiKurono | that's sad, i thought debian setup was good enough to detect my card! |
| 17:56.17 | zenwryly | jelly: so for future reference "mount |
| 17:56.25 | Quaoar | can someone please pastebin his fstab and give me the link? |
| 17:56.27 | pickcoder | KeiKurono: if you do expert install you can select additional drivers |
| 17:56.27 | Quaoar | :) |
| 17:56.33 | ajavid | n-iCe, ping |
| 17:56.35 | zenwryly | doesn't display what's actually mounted but what's intended according to fstab? |
| 17:56.45 | pickcoder | KeiKurono: what network chipset is it |
| 17:56.47 | ajavid | mtab |
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| 17:56.49 | KeiKurono | Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC |
| 17:57.04 | Titan8990_ | Quaoar, http://pastebin.com/f3272bfa8 |
| 17:57.17 | pickcoder | I don't see why the 8168 shouldn't have been detected |
| 17:57.20 | Quaoar | Titan8990, thank you |
| 17:57.51 | mjt | where network-manager keeps its configs? |
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| 17:58.05 | KeiKurono | i'll try again, brb |
| 17:58.10 | Quaoar | darn, there's nothing wrong with my fstab |
| 17:58.11 | Quaoar | :) |
| 17:58.33 | Titan8990_ | mjt, if you want to config networking in a traditional config file manor, disable network-manager and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:58.37 | Quaoar | i have no idea why the boot sometimes stops at "Activating swap..." |
| 17:58.55 | mjt | Titan8990_: i asked quite simple (hopefully) question... |
| 17:59.21 | Titan8990_ | mjt, and i answered with a better suggestion than the answer to your question |
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| 17:59.34 | pickcoder | I wonder if windows was the last O/S to shiutdown |
| 17:59.39 | pickcoder | ~shutdown |
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| 18:00.05 | Titan8990_ | mjt, but w/e let me google that for you.... http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ |
| 18:00.06 | mjt | Titan8990_: i don't need better suggestions. I know full well what's /etc/network/interfaces - did that way for some 10 years on many 100s of machines. I asked about n-m. |
| 18:00.13 | pickcoder | apparently windoze disables the nic so it can stop wake-on-lan |
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| 18:00.27 | mjt | ok |
| 18:00.37 | ajavid | n-iCe, ping |
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| 18:01.21 | Titan8990_ | mjt, in case your wandering that was the third result from my "network-manager config file" google search |
| 18:03.05 | mjt | Titan8990_: which still does not answer my question. But thanks anyway |
| 18:03.20 | mjt | it's gconf |
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| 18:04.24 | Mike1 | hey. Does Ubuntu Testing have the same problem with the Intel graphics-driver as ubuntu? |
| 18:04.29 | zenwryly | I'm running a domU with the xen linux image. I don't have any xen.* sysctls and no /proc/sys/xen, /proc/xen, or /sys/xen. My dmesg shows "Booting paravirtualized kernel on Xen". Is there anything wrong with the lack of sysctl's? SHoud I take any of this as an indication tht I've misconfigurd something? |
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| 18:05.40 | cahoot | Mike1: FWIW I run squeeze on an intel based system, not aware of any problem |
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| 18:07.19 | Mike1 | cahoot: it's worst with the GMA950 found in most netbooks afaik |
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| 18:07.42 | jelly | Mike1: what problem? |
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| 18:07.55 | Mike1 | jelly: bad performance and so on |
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| 18:08.13 | cahoot | Mike1: IIRC my eeepc901 has an intel graphic - seems to run fine on squeeze too |
| 18:08.22 | Mike1 | jelly: in Ubuntu it is because the intel-guys are changing many things currently |
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| 18:09.26 | jelly | Mike1: if ubuntu decided to go with something like video-intel 2.8-rc, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 18:10.04 | Mike1 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance |
| 18:10.12 | factor | can someone send me a tar of their /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/ directory |
| 18:10.40 | Mike1 | just asking because i wondered what distro would be nice for a netbook ;-) |
| 18:10.45 | jelly | Mike1: usually I'm tracking Debian experimental for that driver, drm and xserver core, and stuff has gone seriously down the drain near video-intel 2.7 and newer, not performance but stability-wise |
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| 18:11.06 | jelly | Mike1: you can always choose to run Xorg from stable. |
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| 18:11.41 | Mike1 | jelly: i will never mix the whole X and stuff around :D |
| 18:11.52 | Mike1 | (again) :D |
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| 18:12.36 | hark | factor: get it from the package (packages.debian.org) |
| 18:12.52 | AL-Hadi | does any one here use UTM ? |
| 18:12.57 | factor | I need one not from debian the one I just got is borked I think |
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| 18:13.03 | AL-Hadi | Unified Thread Management |
| 18:13.14 | factor | I need one from someone who has not upgraded just recently |
| 18:13.20 | factor | hark^ |
| 18:13.47 | factor | but want to test the dir from someone who s keymaps are working fine |
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| 18:16.24 | hark | factor: which version of debian? |
| 18:16.31 | factor | testing |
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| 18:17.38 | hark | console-data has not been updated in squeeze since last year |
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| 18:18.29 | factor | I just need a tar of the keymap dir for test |
| 18:18.47 | judgepg | abrotman: Ok, I'm not having much success with sendmail. I'll need to do some research on how this works, but I've got Alpine setup and it seems to send out e-mails fine using Gmail as the protocol |
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| 18:19.28 | judgepg | abrotman: I'd like to automate sending of the e-mail, but the CLI app doesn't appear to send it automatically. I have to manually set keystrokes. |
| 18:19.47 | judgepg | abrotman: Do you happen to have a list of keystrokes that would allow for CTRL+C action? |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | nope ... |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | i thought this was PHP related ? |
| 18:20.40 | judgepg | abrotman: I could setup php to send the email using pine, but I need to click on 'send' in pine. No way (that I could see) to do this at the CLI |
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| 18:20.51 | judgepg | alpine* |
| 18:21.33 | judgepg | abrotman: I realize setting up sendmail requires some investigation which I have yet to do, so I don't want to bug you about it until I do my own research |
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| 18:22.02 | judgepg | just looking for a temporary workaround for now |
| 18:22.03 | abrotman | are you actually doing sendmail? or a sane MTA like exim or postfix ? |
| 18:22.31 | abrotman | judgepg: if your email is setup correctly, "echo 'foo' | mail you@gmail.com" should work |
| 18:23.28 | judgepg | abrotman: I'm getting timed out. I tried to send to hotmail, and my work address (on port 25), and still getting timed out |
| 18:23.46 | abrotman | sounds like your ISP doesn't want you sending mail .. the submission port might work for you |
| 18:24.05 | judgepg | abrotman: can you elaborate? |
| 18:24.18 | judgepg | can there be a workaround here? |
| 18:24.23 | abrotman | the submission port .. some mail systems accept mail on port 587 |
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| 18:25.55 | judgepg | abrotman: how can I configure for this? |
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| 18:26.47 | dazman | The amount of servers which don't accept mail on port 587 though is quite high.. |
| 18:27.02 | ajavid | gmail |
| 18:27.12 | abrotman | dazman: seems his ISP blocks outgiong 215 |
| 18:27.14 | abrotman | 25 |
| 18:27.21 | dazman | If the ISP is blocking port 25 traffic, they must offer an outgoing e-mail service? You may be better off just using their smtp server as a smarthost? |
| 18:27.21 | abrotman | that's why 587 is something to try |
| 18:27.35 | ajavid | same here, cox blocks 80 and 25 |
| 18:28.10 | hark | use your ISP's server then |
| 18:28.29 | ajavid | how about you just run it on a diff non standard port |
| 18:28.48 | judgepg | I'll give abrotman's suggestion on port 587 a spin. |
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| 18:28.59 | ajavid | thats sounds good |
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| 18:29.27 | dazman | If you only ever need to send to one mail server, and that accepts 587, then that's fine.. if you want to send to multiple domains, then you'll need to look at using your ISPs SMTP server as a smarthost. |
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| 18:30.15 | hark | or you can go with a mail redirection service |
| 18:30.21 | lindenle | Is there a standard debian way to upgrade to a different releas i.e. lenny -> squeeze? Do I just change the sources and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 18:30.35 | enouf | lindenle: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:30.47 | judgepg | dazman: I'll also try to locate Primus's SMTP server |
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| 18:32.21 | lindenle | enouf: gracias! |
| 18:34.28 | factor | back later |
| 18:35.07 | lindenle | !beer enouf |
| 18:35.07 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for enouf |
| 18:35.20 | lindenle | Oh :( the dunkel is better |
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| 18:35.47 | ranix | wow he deftly decanted it |
| 18:35.53 | micpyc | hello |
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| 18:35.57 | ranix | enouf: now you have to quickly quaff it to keep up |
| 18:36.02 | lindenle | loves watching dpkg work |
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| 18:36.21 | micpyc | I love apt |
| 18:36.24 | micpyc | :P |
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| 18:37.07 | dazman | apt > * |
| 18:37.08 | apt | well, * is asterisk |
| 18:37.16 | judgepg | SUCCESS! Thank you all for helping me out with the configuration of exim (especially abrotman, and dazman). Primus (my ISP) was blocking port 25, so I used their smtp server as smarthost |
| 18:37.44 | micpyc | Am I transparent? |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | thought he felt a breeze |
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| 18:38.06 | judgepg | incredibly supportive set of folks here. Glad I made the switch from Windows. |
| 18:38.24 | maligor | But there's no Exchange! ;P |
| 18:38.38 | judgepg | maligor: lol good point |
| 18:38.38 | JordiGH | lol |
| 18:38.51 | micpyc | any programmers? |
| 18:38.54 | dazman | judgepg: cool! :) |
| 18:39.31 | maligor | micpyc, I imagine there are plenty here but this isn't a programming channel, there are such channels on freenode tho |
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| 18:40.01 | enouf | !quaffsmite ranix |
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| 18:40.31 | micpyc | :) well I want to know that somebody read my messages |
| 18:40.44 | abrotman | thought he felt a breeze |
| 18:40.47 | micpyc | I'm form Poland and my English is terrible |
| 18:41.19 | micpyc | I'm noob :( |
| 18:41.45 | cmyers_work | I am trying to get flash working in squeeze. flashplugin-nonfree is installed but it acts like I have no flashplayer when I go to sites in iceweasel. Looking at this wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash it says adobe's flash player is deprecated, why is this? I understand about freeness and stuff, that's what the "non-free" is for, right? |
| 18:41.59 | cmyers_work | do I have to go install it manually, outside package management, now? |
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| 18:42.04 | micpyc | do you know some good chanels about programming? |
| 18:42.07 | craigevil | cmyers_work: what does about:config show for flash |
| 18:42.12 | michlemken_ | what is the name of current testing and how bad is the idea to upgrade from lenny to testing ? |
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| 18:43.16 | abrotman | michlemken_: squeeze, and depends how stable you want your system |
| 18:43.21 | cmyers_work | craigevil: what am I looking for in here? filtering by "flash" I only see two keys, flashbar and flashcount |
| 18:43.36 | craigevil | cmyers_work: sorry meant about:plugins |
| 18:43.58 | cmyers_work | craigevil: shows no flash plugin |
| 18:44.02 | hark | cmyers_work: readlink -f /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 18:44.29 | cmyers_work | craigevil: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:44.31 | maligor | michlemken_, if you like newer packages that change relatively frequently |
| 18:44.48 | cmyers_work | erm, that was at hark, I mean |
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| 18:45.35 | lindenle | enouf: Thanks for not warning me about testing ;) (it is a virtual box install anyway) |
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| 18:45.56 | enouf | lindenle: heh |
| 18:46.08 | ranix | my intel 8x0 card is producing no sound |
| 18:46.18 | ranix | cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp is making no noise |
| 18:46.33 | michlemken_ | abrotman: stable booting, running evolution and running gcc (with anjuta) would be fine |
| 18:46.34 | Quaoar | ranix, did you check alsamixer? |
| 18:46.45 | ranix | Quaoar: cranked everything to 100 |
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| 18:46.47 | enouf | ranix: is udevd running? |
| 18:47.05 | enouf | ranix: you get errors attempting to open alsamixer? |
| 18:47.09 | enouf | oh |
| 18:47.16 | ranix | I see udevd --daemon in ps aux | grep udevd, enouf |
| 18:47.21 | ranix | no errors opening alsamixer |
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| 18:47.29 | ranix | cat /proc/asound/cards shows only one card, at ID 0 |
| 18:47.31 | craigevil | cmyers_work: what does update-alternatives --display flash-mozilla.so show? |
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| 18:47.38 | Quaoar | ranix, you can try alsaconf |
| 18:47.40 | hark | ranix: did it use to before? |
| 18:47.40 | ranix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.51 | enouf | ranix: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? have you been toying with OSS4? lsof | egrep 'pulse|flash|firefox' |
| 18:47.52 | ranix | hark: no, I yanked this drive and stuck it in a new box |
| 18:47.57 | ranix | enouf: that could do it |
| 18:48.34 | cmyers_work | flash-mozilla.so - auto mode | link currently points to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so | /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so - priority 50 | Current `best' version is /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so. |
| 18:48.52 | ranix | enouf: lsof | egrep 'pulse|flash|firefox' shows a ton of stuff |
| 18:49.00 | hark | ranix: speaker-test -c2 -twav |
| 18:49.01 | enouf | heh - sort it out :-p |
| 18:49.10 | enouf | !list alsa users |
| 18:49.10 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 18:49.16 | craigevil | cmyers_work: and about:plugins in iceweasel doesnt show anything for Flash? |
| 18:49.27 | cmyers_work | craigevil: correct. |
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| 18:49.44 | michlemken_ | votes please - change any lenny to squeeze - in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:49.47 | maligor | lovely oneliner |
| 18:49.50 | ranix | speaker-test gives no errors and produces no sound |
| 18:49.56 | themill | michlemken_: iyhtays |
| 18:50.00 | enouf | cmyers_work: have you restarted your IW session? |
| 18:50.13 | cahoot | ranix: try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart |
| 18:50.15 | hark | ranix: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:50.18 | craigevil | cmyers_work: try deleting pluginreg.dat in your iceweasel profile then restart iceweasel |
| 18:50.22 | enouf | cmyers_work: also, move your ~/.mozilla out of the way (don't rm it, just mv it) and retry |
| 18:50.24 | cmyers_work | enouf: yes, just now. this problem has been going on for a while and I am just now getting to trying to fix it |
| 18:50.35 | hark | ranix: or paste your amixer output |
| 18:50.46 | enouf | or .. even startup using -profile <name> or whatever |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | michlemken_: well .. bits of gnome/gtk are in flux currently |
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| 18:51.25 | enouf | ranix: no apps make any sound? all types of media tested? well .. are you sure the speakers are plugged in? :-P |
| 18:51.38 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ...how can i install a full KDE installation ? |
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| 18:51.46 | ranix | enouf: ;) yeah, also have color-coded ports |
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| 18:51.51 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: depends |
| 18:52.01 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: aptitude instal kde |
| 18:52.01 | enouf | ranix: makes it easy ;-) |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | install |
| 18:52.04 | enouf | to see |
| 18:52.10 | ranix | http://pastebin.com/f63acf721 |
| 18:52.13 | ranix | is amixer output |
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| 18:52.17 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: lenny? or squeeze? |
| 18:52.20 | cobra-the-joker | enouf , this is the full :D |
| 18:52.22 | cobra-the-joker | lenny |
| 18:52.23 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, aptitude install kde-full or kde-minimal |
| 18:52.29 | enouf | ok - abrotman 's answer |
| 18:52.38 | craigevil | cobra-the-joker: depdns on what release, stable aptitude install kde, testing/sid aptitude install kde-full |
| 18:52.44 | Quaoar | ranix, modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | judd: versions kde |
| 18:52.51 | judd | abrotman: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
| 18:52.53 | cobra-the-joker | you meen kde-full is kde 4 ? |
| 18:52.57 | hark | ranix: did you try -> /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:52.59 | enouf | yes |
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| 18:53.01 | ajavid | kdebase |
| 18:53.02 | michlemken_ | abrotman: sounds bad - mmm - thanks - hence i will wait |
| 18:53.07 | cobra-the-joker | kde is 3.5 ? |
| 18:53.12 | enouf | yes |
| 18:53.13 | cmyers_work | craigevil, enouf, tried both of those suggestions, neither helped, though when I moved my profile out of the way, the one plugin I did have (vmware console) disapeared |
| 18:53.16 | enouf | in Lenny |
| 18:53.18 | cobra-the-joker | ok ..thats enough for me |
| 18:53.19 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, on squeeze that is, yes |
| 18:53.23 | ajavid | judd versions kdebase |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | michlemken_: it's not awful .. just some bits might break |
| 18:53.23 | judd | ajavid: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 4:4.2.4-1 squeeze: 4:4.2.4-1 experimental: 4:4.2.96-1 |
| 18:53.31 | ranix | Quaoar: no difference, and modprobe -l | grep intel lists that as loaded already |
| 18:53.32 | ajavid | there you go |
| 18:53.35 | cobra-the-joker | dutchfish , i am using lenny |
| 18:53.39 | ranix | hark: yes |
| 18:53.39 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: hrmm .. ok, is that FF or IW |
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| 18:53.45 | Quaoar | ranix, a, ok |
| 18:53.45 | Quaoar | :)) |
| 18:53.54 | Quaoar | ranix, no idea then |
| 18:53.56 | ranix | I have also run alsaconf despite hearing that alsaconf is no longer in Lenny |
| 18:53.57 | craigevil | cmyers_work: try installing flashplayer-mozilla from dmm and make sure iw isnt trying to use swf-dec |
| 18:54.05 | cobra-the-joker | enouf , what :D |
| 18:54.05 | cahoot | ranix: no ~/.asoundrc* complicating matters? |
| 18:54.14 | cmyers_work | craigevil: dmm? |
| 18:54.22 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: ignore the leading 4: in all those dpkg listed, /msg dpkg epoch |
| 18:54.26 | craigevil | cmyers_work: debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:54.29 | cmyers_work | ah |
| 18:54.31 | Quaoar | ranix, well, it still is |
| 18:54.40 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 18:54.55 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: how did you install Iceweasel? or is that Firefox? |
| 18:55.10 | craigevil | cmyers_work: and this is iceweasel not firefox? |
| 18:55.12 | ranix | I just reran alsaconf and see this: "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 18:55.24 | ranix | am I perhaps missing a dependency? |
| 18:55.25 | cobra-the-joker | its epiphany |
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| 18:55.42 | cobra-the-joker | enouf , i have icewesel though |
| 18:55.43 | enouf | ranix: is snd-pcm-oss and snd_mixer_oss loaded? check /etc/modules for offending ones listed ;-) |
| 18:56.10 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: ok, that's good - oh, they're not the same, though use same base engine or whatever |
| 18:56.40 | enouf | judd: versions epiphany-gnome |
| 18:56.41 | judd | enouf: epiphany-gnome -- |
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| 18:56.46 | enouf | ... |
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| 18:56.49 | ranix | enouf: snd_mixer_oss is not loader |
| 18:56.51 | ranix | loaded! |
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| 18:57.16 | enouf | ranix: alsaconf is gone .. in .. er .. Squeeze and up? |
| 18:57.24 | enouf | it's all HAL done now |
| 18:57.26 | ranix | ah ok |
| 18:57.32 | factor | hark:swapped keyboard and it seems to resolved theproblem |
| 18:58.30 | ranix | Quaoar: no asoundrc files in home directories |
| 18:58.34 | cmyers_work | craigevil: yes, this is iceweasel. It's been a few days so I am doing an apt-get upgrade. |
| 18:58.36 | cobra-the-joker | No candidate version found for kde |
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| 18:58.40 | enouf | ranix: how many dbus entries in pstree / ps auxf |
| 18:58.51 | cmyers_work | craigevil: also, it may be relevant, I have cherry-picked a few unstable packages, but nothing to do with iceweasel or flash. |
| 18:59.01 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: tasksel --task-packages kde-desktop |
| 18:59.06 | cmyers_work | mostly to get a pidgin that works with yim |
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| 18:59.10 | ranix | 2 dbus daemons and a dbus launch, enouf |
| 18:59.17 | enouf | ranix: good o |
| 18:59.20 | ranix | I'm considering rebooting |
| 18:59.22 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kde |
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| 18:59.45 | ranix | brb rebootin' |
| 18:59.47 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, you sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list is in order? |
| 19:00.01 | enouf | you ran update? |
| 19:00.09 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: ^^^ |
| 19:00.22 | cobra-the-joker | dutchfish , i dont think so ...its my first seconds with lenny :D |
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| 19:00.58 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, check thta it points to the lenny repo |
| 19:01.05 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:01.11 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 19:02.48 | cobra-the-joker | http://dpaste.com/73808/ |
| 19:02.49 | craigevil | cmyers_work: your running lenny? try running update-alternatives --set flash-mozilla.so |
| 19:03.01 | cmyers_work | craigevil: running squeeze |
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| 19:03.11 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you need a regular source .. |
| 19:03.21 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: where are you geogrphically ? |
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| 19:03.27 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , i am in egyot |
| 19:03.33 | cobra-the-joker | i use france repos |
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| 19:04.22 | abrotman | ok .. so add "deb http://debian.mirror.inra.fr/debian/ lenny main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. append " contrib non-free" to the end if you use those |
| 19:04.31 | cmyers_work | hmm. Perhaps "squeeze" is no longer accurate |
| 19:04.36 | abrotman | then aptitude update ; aptitude install kde |
| 19:04.41 | cmyers_work | looking at the packages it is installing, they seem to be mostly from unstable |
| 19:05.03 | cmyers_work | I thought I had pidgin pinned from unstable, and everything else from squeeze, but I guess I did it wrong. So nevermind, I am running unstable. =| |
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| 19:05.40 | cmyers_work | I mean, I run unstable at home and I am ok with that, just didn't intend to do so on this particular box *shrug* |
| 19:05.40 | Raccoon | How do I set a preferred display mode so I can use my real 1650x1080 resolution. Right now it says that's not a supported size. |
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| 19:05.49 | TbbW | anyone here know how to add more then one openvpn network on the same comp? ( me client connecting to 3 vpn networks ) |
| 19:06.04 | TbbW | most guides i find only tell me how to add one |
| 19:06.04 | cobra-the-joker | add contrib non-free to the end of the line or the file ? |
| 19:06.15 | abrotman | end of that line |
| 19:06.20 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, like this http://debian.pastebin.com/m746c89a0 |
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| 19:06.31 | abrotman | except don't use those |
| 19:06.48 | abrotman | it's just an example .. don't add those to your sources.list |
| 19:06.48 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 19:06.48 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:07.02 | abrotman | fails to see the humor |
| 19:07.10 | dutchfish | yes, sorry i was on a squeez emachine, ahum, need ot be lenny |
| 19:07.13 | cobra-the-joker | ok then |
| 19:07.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, thanks for the hint |
| 19:07.44 | cmyers_work | craigevil: flashplayer-mozilla won't install, says broken packages, when I try to install it's dependencies, they depend on 32-bit stuff and this is AMD64. I thought flash was available on amd64 now |
| 19:08.14 | craigevil | cmyers_work: flashplugin-nonfree is the 64bit package |
| 19:08.27 | cmyers_work | ok, that's what I thought =/ that is what is installed though. |
| 19:08.39 | ajavid | !seen peters |
| 19:08.39 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian, last said: 'fxiny: the OOM killer kicks in and starts killing processes that seem to be memory hogs'. |
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| 19:12.01 | cobra-the-joker | Current status: 23 updates [+23], 21556 new [+21556]. ...should i update ? |
| 19:12.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:12.31 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , how ? |
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| 19:13.07 | Raccoon__ | My resolutions is not in the available resolutions list. |
| 19:13.11 | ajavid | aptitude upgrade |
| 19:13.37 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:13.52 | cobra-the-joker | again pls ....kde is 3.5 and kde-full is 4.2 ?? |
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| 19:14.13 | SparFux | Hi all! What is a recommended way to capture video data from a camcorder on firewire? |
| 19:14.20 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, no |
| 19:14.36 | cobra-the-joker | dutchfish ..:D then what ? |
| 19:14.42 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, lenny = kde 3 |
| 19:15.10 | cobra-the-joker | i am using Debian 5 ......that meens both is KDE 3 : |
| 19:15.10 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 19:15.27 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, yes |
| 19:15.33 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 19:16.05 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, the difference is that kde-full installs alot more kde applications |
| 19:16.24 | cobra-the-joker | dutchfish ...essential applications ? |
| 19:16.56 | Raccoon__ | anyone? :? |
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| 19:17.13 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 19:17.40 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, no, in lenny is only kde (sorry for mixing it up) |
| 19:17.40 | cobra-the-joker | france repos is really fast :D |
| 19:17.59 | cobra-the-joker | no problem |
| 19:18.09 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, in squeeze there is kde, kde-full kde-minimal |
| 19:18.25 | cobra-the-joker | squeeze is the testing distro ? |
| 19:18.32 | dutchfish | !squeeze |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 Will be known as Debian 6.0. |
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| 19:19.12 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, and yes, squeeze holds kde4 |
| 19:19.26 | cobra-the-joker | i hate kde 4 :D |
| 19:19.36 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, well, then ;) |
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| 19:20.02 | cobra-the-joker | thats why i came to debian ...no unstable applications ...every thing seems to work |
| 19:20.05 | dutchfish | cobra-the-joker, just stick to lenny then |
| 19:20.14 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 19:20.21 | Raccoon__ | ! |
| 19:20.41 | paxcoder | Does anyone know about that freeze cycle stuff? I can't see how a non-flexible release dates would make anything better (apart from being deadlines that people should follow)? What don't I understand? Thanks in advance. |
| 19:20.49 | cobra-the-joker | i was using fedora ....its the contrary :D |
| 19:21.10 | hark | ranix: amixer output seems ok, check your speakers ;) |
| 19:21.11 | dutchfish | !tell paxcoder about freeze |
| 19:21.36 | EagleScreen | paxcoder: only freeze is dated, not release |
| 19:22.39 | paxcoder | dutchfish: broken link in the factoid. EagleScreen so what: it can only be frozen for a longer time? |
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| 19:23.00 | Alphos | anyone here familiar with start-stop-daemon ? ^^' i'd like to ckeck something about the syntax to launch a php script with it : i wonder if the script's name or path is enough, or if one must use "php script.php" with the --startas |
| 19:23.15 | Alphos | (the man page really is short ^^' ) |
| 19:23.35 | dutchfish | paxcoder, yup, seen it, squeeze is not frozne yet see: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 19:24.12 | paxcoder | Alphos: The scirpt is enough as long as the file is executable, and the first line reads: #! /usr/bin/php |
| 19:24.14 | EagleScreen | paxcoder: freeze will be in two years cycle, but only freeze, Debian will be released when it to be ready |
| 19:24.14 | dutchfish | paxcoder, thanks for reporting it |
| 19:24.30 | Alphos | thanks a lot, paxcoder :) |
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| 19:24.53 | paxcoder | np |
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| 19:25.23 | Alphos | uh, first line before the <?php tag i suppose ? |
| 19:25.39 | paxcoder | first line in the file |
| 19:25.56 | Alphos | okey-dokey :) |
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| 19:26.23 | paxcoder | Alphos: http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/shebang/ |
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| 19:26.42 | Alphos | thanks again :) |
| 19:26.47 | paxcoder | kk :-) |
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| 19:29.21 | dutchfish | paxcoder, http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 19:29.52 | paxcoder | thanks |
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| 19:35.21 | _AnywhereIs_ | debian lenny works on Pentium I, 200mhz 64mb RAM(which is SIMM) without X server. using only 440 mb on HDD(which is 2.1 gb) just installed. plain not yet configured system. but it works. slow but works :D |
| 19:37.12 | adama_ | Running squeeze: http://pastebin.ca/1514075 ...how can I fix that? |
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| 19:37.40 | themill | adama_: do you have gij-4.0 installed? |
| 19:38.11 | adama_ | themill:yes |
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| 19:39.07 | themill | adama_: that's an ancient package that should be removed. Try "aptitude -f purge gij-4.0" it may also want to get rid of other gcc 4.0 packages. |
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| 19:39.24 | themill | adama_: you may want to do some housecleaning and look at the output of "aptitude search ~o" |
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| 19:49.40 | studio32 | why do I have a weak wireless on Debian and much more stable on Ubuntu? |
| 19:49.50 | studio32 | wireless manager? |
| 19:49.53 | studio32 | kde vs gnome? |
| 19:49.59 | studio32 | debian vs ubuntu? |
| 19:50.01 | studio32 | :/ |
| 19:50.03 | studio32 | ? |
| 19:50.33 | studio32 | I might be gone in a moment... |
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| 19:53.10 | abrotman | how about "different driver settings" ? |
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| 19:57.00 | Raccoon | It will let me do a 3:4 ratio but everything's stretched :( |
| 19:57.10 | Raccoon | I have the latest Debian, 5.0 |
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| 19:57.17 | Raccoon | just installed it |
| 19:57.18 | OpenTokix | Bara handla? |
| 19:57.49 | _Vi | Boost libraries on 32-bit system seems to be compiled without largefile support. Is it expected thing or report a bug? |
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| 19:58.59 | abrotman | Raccoon: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 19:59.06 | yareckon | Raccoon, you will have to give us more info about your videocard, monitor etc |
| 19:59.09 | yareckon | yeah^ |
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| 19:59.41 | Raccoon | I have a nVidia 9600 |
| 19:59.44 | Raccoon | let me run that |
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| 20:00.10 | jerojasro | I'm trying to give a group write permission to a usb device. I already have udev rules for this, but the device only has the right permissions in /dev; in /proc, it doesn't (still belongs to root:root, mode 644) |
| 20:00.12 | abrotman | Raccoon: i'm not sure the lenny nvidia supports that |
| 20:00.12 | Raccoon | and I'm using DVI |
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| 20:00.23 | jerojasro | how can I get the permissions on /proc right? |
| 20:00.33 | studio32 | .. |
| 20:00.38 | Raccoon | I'm not using any nvidia drivers right now |
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| 20:00.58 | studio32 | hi Im on Ubuntu now... because of trouble with wireless |
| 20:01.03 | studio32 | same computer |
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| 20:01.15 | studio32 | ubuntu vs debian |
| 20:01.24 | studio32 | gnome vs kde |
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| 20:01.46 | aguadarrama | Debian + Gnome |
| 20:01.47 | rozie | studio32: what wifi card? |
| 20:01.51 | studio32 | gnome manager vs wicd |
| 20:02.00 | aguadarrama | NetworkManager |
| 20:02.00 | Raccoon | abrotman, that command you gave me said: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0641] (rev al) |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | studio32: same driver? same driver optoins? |
| 20:02.11 | studio32 | rozie, rt2500 |
| 20:03.04 | rozie | studio32: Lenny? |
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| 20:03.13 | owen1 | any good ways to control my laptop and desktop with one keyboard/mouse? |
| 20:03.15 | abrotman | Raccoon: the nvidia binary bits in lenny aren't new enough |
| 20:03.30 | studio32 | rozie, testing |
| 20:03.38 | abrotman | owen1: two monitors ? |
| 20:03.55 | rozie | studio32: try apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a update && m-a build rt2500 |
| 20:04.02 | rozie | install given package |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | !rt2500 |
| 20:04.03 | dpkg | The Ralink RT2500 PCI chipset (RT2500/RT2560) is supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt2500) and the next-generation driver (rt2500pci), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt2500 for driver installation instructions. See also <rt2x00>. |
| 20:04.06 | rozie | install wicd |
| 20:04.29 | owen1 | abrotman: two monitors each belong to it's own computer |
| 20:04.31 | Raccoon | abrotman, it's letting me do 1280x1024, but not 1680x1050. |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | rozie: there's no more source package in lenny |
| 20:04.34 | studio32 | rozie, i have wicd |
| 20:04.40 | abrotman | Raccoon: yes .. you'll need newer nvidia drivers |
| 20:04.43 | abrotman | owen1: synergy |
| 20:04.56 | owen1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:04.56 | abrotman | judd: versions rt2500-source |
| 20:04.58 | judd | abrotman: rt2500-source -- etch: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3+etch1 etch-security: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3+etch1 sid: 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20080623-2 lenny: 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20080623-3 sid: 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20080623-3 sid: 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20090424-1 squeeze: 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20090424-1 |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | oh . bleh .. there still is .. icky |
| 20:05.14 | rozie | abrotman: wajig policy rt2500-source gives me 1:1.1.0-b4+cvs20080623-3 0 700 http://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages |
| 20:05.16 | abrotman | rozie: carry on! :( |
| 20:05.36 | rozie | and there's testnig there ;) |
| 20:05.59 | rozie | studio32 build the module from source as I told |
| 20:06.17 | studio32 | rozie, sure? I thought that was the past |
| 20:06.21 | Raccoon | abrotman, okay, when I tried to install the latest (190) nVidia drivers it said my gcc version was incompatible or something (because I had to compile the kernel), saying I have 4.3 and it needs 4.1. But I have the gcc-4.1 package installed too |
| 20:06.31 | studio32 | rozie, and that they are now in the kernel |
| 20:06.36 | abrotman | Raccoon: you probably have to explicitly set the gcc |
| 20:06.42 | abrotman | !tell Raccoon about nvidia |
| 20:07.03 | Raccoon | didn't tell me :P |
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| 20:07.34 | Raccoon | I'm looking on the nvidia page |
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| 20:08.40 | abrotman | which nvidia page ? |
| 20:08.57 | Raccoon | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.31/README/chapter-02.html |
| 20:09.11 | Raccoon | well http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.31/README/index.html |
| 20:09.14 | rozie | studio32: not sure. but it'd strange to give separate package if there's module in kernel |
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| 20:09.33 | abrotman | maybe you should read what the bot told you |
| 20:09.50 | studio32 | rozie, without a driver I shouldn´t have internet |
| 20:09.51 | Raccoon | oh it pm'd me, I didn't see |
| 20:10.03 | marcompile_ | is there any thing like dd that copies a file and displays progress? |
| 20:10.05 | studio32 | rozie, I have internet but the connection is weak |
| 20:10.05 | peterS | yeah we have sneaky bots |
| 20:10.18 | studio32 | rozie, on Ubuntu it doesnt shut down all the time |
| 20:10.26 | studio32 | rozie the connection |
| 20:10.30 | peterS | marcompile_: pv. for example, pv file1 > file2 |
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| 20:10.35 | rozie | well. so it works |
| 20:10.47 | studio32 | it works bad, yes |
| 20:10.51 | abrotman | marcompile_: dd can display the progress .. see the man page |
| 20:10.51 | enouf | marcompile_: man dd |
| 20:11.01 | studio32 | much worse then on Ubuntu, thatÅ the miracle |
| 20:11.14 | rozie | maybe power setting? |
| 20:11.17 | marcompile_ | enouf: i don't want dd |
| 20:11.23 | rozie | maybe different driver |
| 20:11.27 | peterS | marcompile_: seriously, pv is made of awesome |
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| 20:11.40 | marcompile_ | peterS: what package is it included? |
| 20:11.42 | peterS | pv |
| 20:11.48 | peterS | it is its own package |
| 20:11.51 | abrotman | marcompile_: but 'dd' can show progress .. but pv probably already does what you want without the kill trickery |
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| 20:12.05 | marcompile_ | dd from busybox does not show progress |
| 20:12.11 | studio32 | rozie, ok Iĺl check |
| 20:12.38 | abrotman | marcompile_: so you tried sending it the SIGUSR1 ? |
| 20:13.17 | marcompile_ | abrotman: yes, it gets killed saying "User defined signal 1" |
| 20:13.34 | abrotman | guess it is busybox .. no frills |
| 20:13.35 | enouf | you send it from another terminal |
| 20:13.50 | enouf | use gddrescue anyway |
| 20:13.51 | Raccoon | I'll try some things....bye |
| 20:13.51 | EugenMayer | dutchfish: still there? |
| 20:13.53 | Raccoon | thanks |
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| 20:15.11 | enouf | hrm .. /me tries the old bg trick with using command & |
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| 20:15.52 | EugenMayer | uname -a tells me, iam using the 2.6.26-2-686 SMP kernel. How would i get rid of SMP? would it a be a boot parameter or a other kernel? |
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| 20:16.09 | marcompile_ | i tried the following: |
| 20:16.18 | enouf | you don't, why would you? you could use the -486 one |
| 20:16.24 | marcompile_ | while true; do killall -USR1 dd; sleep 1; done & |
| 20:16.30 | marcompile_ | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null |
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| 20:16.51 | marcompile_ | and a second after dd says "User defined signal 1" and exits |
| 20:16.55 | Titan8990_ | EugenMayer, you would need to recompile your kernel w/o symmetric multiprocessing |
| 20:16.57 | enouf | which isn't SMP-aware afaik - but only supports up to 1G ram, NOHIGHMEM is set |
| 20:17.02 | EugenMayer | enouf: its a VM..and it seems it has problems with the SMP..its single core anyway |
| 20:17.17 | enouf | what problems? time drift? |
| 20:17.23 | EugenMayer | enouf:yes |
| 20:17.35 | EugenMayer | Jul 31 22:13:38.642: vcpu-0| VMSAMPLE64: cs=0x60, rip=0xc0114d68 |
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| 20:18.11 | enouf | EugenMayer: seen http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 |
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| 20:18.53 | EugenMayer | enouf: microsoft?! |
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| 20:19.34 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:19.45 | daf999 | how do I take the $ bash prompt to the next line? |
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| 20:19.56 | Titan8990_ | daf999, \ |
| 20:20.03 | daf999 | thanks |
| 20:20.08 | enouf | daf999: use \n |
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| 20:20.54 | mrtn123 | is it possible to test CD/DVD with dd? Or is there a some sort of better utility/method for that? |
| 20:20.57 | daf999 | perfect |
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| 20:21.24 | EugenMayer | enouf: and you think this is related? i mean, my host is a lenny 64 bit. And my virtualisation is vmware, not virtual server. Anyway iam trying. |
| 20:21.27 | enouf | EugenMayer: and see kernel-parameters.txt and /x86/x86_64/boot-options,txt |
| 20:22.12 | jelly | EugenMayer: lots of virtualization environments mess with the clock. Most provide own tools to sync it to the host |
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| 20:22.45 | EugenMayer | enouf: adding clock-pit to the boot params did not help. Jul 31 22:22:23.938: vcpu-0| VMSAMPLE64: cs=0x60, rip=0xc0114d68 is still spamming my logs |
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| 20:23.47 | EugenMayer | enouf: well i wasnt aware, shoud this be added to the client or host? |
| 20:23.55 | jelly | enouf: that kb is surprisingly informational! |
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| 20:25.31 | enouf | sorry? |
| 20:26.09 | enouf | EugenMayer: there's a nosmp option |
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| 20:28.26 | EugenMayer | enouf: just tried the 486 kernel. did not help at all |
| 20:28.48 | enouf | then it's no SMP issue? |
| 20:29.08 | EugenMayer | Well, seems not actually. I read an article where it was suggested |
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| 20:29.21 | enouf | EugenMayer: oh .. are you the one with HT ? |
| 20:29.24 | enouf | Disable that |
| 20:29.39 | abrotman | i think that was Evet ? |
| 20:29.58 | Evet | Huh? |
| 20:30.15 | EugenMayer | enouf: hmm on my AMD-5200x2 server it was the same issue. Does that AMD also have HT? |
| 20:30.20 | enouf | if that works, you could then attempt various degrees of blocking HT for certain things through acpi*= params, IIRC |
| 20:30.26 | enouf | EugenMayer: no |
| 20:30.33 | EugenMayer | strange |
| 20:30.36 | enouf | only Intel |
| 20:30.49 | EugenMayer | then it hardly could be HT |
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| 20:31.01 | abrotman | Evet: weren't you the one i was telling the HT is evil ? |
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| 20:31.11 | enouf | amd calls their thing HTT, but it's not related to HT (hyperthreading) |
| 20:31.18 | jelly | hyper hyper! |
| 20:31.22 | enouf | abrotman: i think so |
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| 20:31.50 | enouf | thinks jelly 's bouncing off the walls, from overwhelming payday joy :-P |
| 20:32.03 | Evet | abrotman, no we talked about apache http server |
| 20:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, scooter? |
| 20:32.17 | abrotman | gets confused and falls over |
| 20:32.34 | EugenMayer | enouf: well i disable HT..i will need a LARA first...server is hosted remotely |
| 20:32.39 | enouf | notice weeble wobble ... |
| 20:32.45 | enouf | gah add s |
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| 20:32.56 | abrotman | enouf: /lastlog zfs .. i think it was that guy |
| 20:33.04 | jelly | enouf: our bankrupt gvt has imposed a 4% "special" tax on my (and everyone else) pay! The bouncing is far from joyful |
| 20:33.21 | enouf | abrotman: aye |
| 20:34.31 | Hannibal | hey everyone... i have a quick question, if anyone can help me out with some scsi... I'm trying to install debian on some scsi drives.. appearently someone told me that i need a terminator for it to work properly, can anyone help me? |
| 20:35.03 | stone_ | like, hardware termination at the end of the SCSI cable?? |
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| 20:35.42 | Hannibal | stone_, kind of... i don't have a physical terminator tho |
| 20:36.45 | Hannibal | stone_: appearently there is a jumper setting on my drives, but i can't seem to decypher the manual >.< http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/st34572/Jumpers.htm << jumper settings, and all 4 of my drives are ST34572W 's |
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| 20:43.52 | EugenMayer | enouf: abrotman : HT is evil. It fixed it, thank you |
| 20:44.18 | enouf | !win EugenMayer |
| 20:44.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, EugenMayer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 20:44.36 | SparFux | Hi all. How am I supppposed to use dvgrab in debian? |
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| 20:45.11 | EugenMayer | enouf: great, the 30x time i win this! i gonna share it.. |
| 20:45.52 | enouf | i actually wanted !congratulate EugenMayer output .. but i goofed |
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| 20:46.58 | YiamiYo | hi...i just installed debian at my power mac g4 but i pressed enter by accident and installed the default packages...i want to remove all programs(gui too) except nano,wget,ssh server,ftp server,apache2,php,mysql...can anyone connect to it with ssh and do it plz? |
| 20:47.14 | pepperbob | rofl... |
| 20:47.18 | YiamiYo | xd |
| 20:47.58 | YiamiYo | i don't think there is a command that removes all programs...or there is?Xd |
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| 20:48.37 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: first of all: your "invitation" the craziest thing i've read today... |
| 20:48.49 | YiamiYo | i don't care.. |
| 20:48.54 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: try aptitude and remove what you don't need. |
| 20:48.57 | jelly | YiamiYo: this channel doesn't usually offer handholding, but you might ask for instructions on how such a thing might be accomplished |
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| 20:49.16 | YiamiYo | ok...how can i do it with a single command? |
| 20:49.17 | KeiKurono | hi |
| 20:49.18 | YiamiYo | xd |
| 20:49.40 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: well you could apt-get remove <and-list-packages-here> |
| 20:49.40 | jelly | YiamiYo: debfoster is good at removing everything except what you explicitly tell it not to |
| 20:49.56 | KeiKurono | i have installed a base minimal debian 4.0 but still it has problem to connect to network |
| 20:50.01 | YiamiYo | pepperbob, the problem is that i don't know all packages..xd |
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| 20:50.06 | KeiKurono | pls someone help me with this issue i don't understand |
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| 20:51.23 | KeiKurono | i tried with usb debian 5 and with the package in goodbye-microsoft too, same problem |
| 20:51.29 | EugenMayer | enouf: well, actually i take it back. Its back again. |
| 20:51.48 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: if it's a fresh install: re-install could be faster |
| 20:51.50 | enouf | !hypersmite EugenMayer |
| 20:52.05 | EugenMayer | enouf: any other ideas? |
| 20:52.17 | EugenMayer | should i use the clock=pit parameter for the host also? |
| 20:52.19 | enouf | jelly: you sound like a republicrat when you talk like that! |
| 20:53.03 | enouf | EugenMayer: you could try many things - those kernel docs i mentioned, have much - what about #vmware and ##linux |
| 20:53.27 | EugenMayer | its curous that there is nothign about that in the web |
| 20:53.35 | EugenMayer | and that it happend on to different hosts now. |
| 20:54.02 | mjt | any way to (automatically) mount ntfs filesystems (in gnome)? |
| 20:54.11 | pepperbob | EugenMayer: you issue is heavy clock skew? |
| 20:54.16 | pepperbob | s/you/your |
| 20:54.17 | enouf | ntfsmount? |
| 20:54.31 | mjt | ntfs-3g works too |
| 20:54.46 | EugenMayer | pepperbob: and now? |
| 20:54.49 | enouf | !listvals ntfsmount |
| 20:54.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfsmount' by value (1): ntfsrw. |
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| 20:55.08 | mjt | but when clicking an ntfs volume in gnome (nautilus) it says "invalid mount option" and I've no idea which option(s) it used |
| 20:55.14 | EugenMayer | pepperbob: i have no idea what my issue is..my logs are full of Jul 31 22:45:50.510: vcpu-0| VMSAMPLE64: cs=0x60, rip=0xc0114d68 |
| 20:55.14 | enouf | !automount |
| 20:55.14 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 20:55.24 | pepperbob | EugenMayer: well, i wasn't following the entire conversation - so I guessed your problem is skewing clock? is it? |
| 20:55.44 | pepperbob | EugenMayer: ah! ok... |
| 20:55.45 | enouf | mjt: see dpkg output perhaps? |
| 20:56.05 | pepperbob | EugenMayer: well - obviously the timing is correct |
| 20:56.25 | EugenMayer | pepperbob: enouf: well i think the most interesting part of it is, that it only happend with Lenny clients. Etch works |
| 20:56.30 | mjt | enouf: still no info |
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| 20:56.34 | mjt | but ok |
| 20:57.12 | enouf | EugenMayer: kernel changes? |
| 20:57.31 | enouf | EugenMayer: how about etch with a BPO .26? |
| 20:57.35 | EugenMayer | enouf: well both use the stable kernel, so etch stable and lenny stable |
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| 20:57.42 | enouf | or a etchnhalf .24 |
| 20:57.44 | EugenMayer | BPO ? |
| 20:57.51 | enouf | !bpo |
| 20:57.52 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 20:57.57 | EugenMayer | etchnhalf shoudl work |
| 20:58.15 | dec3pti0n | man I have one of these HP DL585 G2 that just isn't playing well with lenny |
| 20:58.25 | EugenMayer | enouf: so its most likely the kernel |
| 20:58.25 | enouf | EugenMayer: yea .18 == etch , lenny == .26 (other than BPO ones) |
| 20:58.55 | winstonw | what would be the easiet way to cross compile a package? |
| 20:59.07 | winstonw | say for x86 on amd64 |
| 20:59.11 | jelly | dec3pti0n: you could try installing something older, like etch or sarge |
| 20:59.13 | mjt | enouf: that's what i asked: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516929 |
| 21:00.04 | dec3pti0n | jelly, that's waht I have tried several times ... etch works but then after the dist-upgrade shit gets crazy again |
| 21:00.31 | jelly | "then don't" |
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| 21:00.55 | Badgermaster | I must confess, I use squeeze just because of the name |
| 21:01.00 | enouf | hrm, a gvfs issue? |
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| 21:03.43 | CodeNinja | my system is giving me some bs trying to mount a blank cd for burning.... brasero keeps telling me that there is no disk, dmesg says http://pastie.org/567270 |
| 21:03.46 | CodeNinja | wtfm8? |
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| 21:08.17 | YiamiYo | what i have to press at aptitude to remove package? |
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| 21:09.04 | enouf | CodeNinja: is it a fresh blank in the drive? try wodim, ,,,, and run wodim -atip dev=/dev/hdX |
| 21:09.31 | enouf | hda: tray open |
| 21:09.34 | enouf | heh |
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| 21:09.45 | macrobat | eject -t? |
| 21:09.49 | enouf | install eject pkg ;-) |
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| 21:10.32 | midddle | i have a dedicated server running debian. when i ssh into my box there's a bunch of funny colors. is it possible to disable colors or something? |
| 21:10.33 | enouf | YiamiYo: learn the CLI, much easier ;-) |
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| 21:11.03 | YiamiYo | cli? |
| 21:11.05 | enouf | YiamiYo: install aptitude-doc-en pkg, for nice HTML docs and much info |
| 21:11.10 | k0mpulsive | anyway of running a command that will test all the debian mirrors and automatically find the fastest one? |
| 21:11.13 | pepperbob | command line interface |
| 21:11.15 | enouf | !cli |
| 21:11.15 | pepperbob | cli |
| 21:11.15 | dpkg | i heard cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1, ask me about <general cli tutorial> |
| 21:11.17 | macrobat | YiamiYo: in aptitude ncurses ui, press ? to get help |
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| 21:11.33 | bittin | what backports kernel do your recommend me with an eeepc? |
| 21:11.50 | streuner_ | !eeepc |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:11.50 | enouf | k0mpulsive: apt-spy? |
| 21:11.53 | craigevil | any debian kernle should work just fine on a eee |
| 21:11.59 | enouf | !apt-spu |
| 21:12.01 | craigevil | kernel* |
| 21:12.03 | enouf | !apt-spy |
| 21:12.03 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 21:12.07 | bittin | i used some backports kernel before that i liked |
| 21:12.16 | bittin | but dont remember the name off it are there any list off backports kernels? |
| 21:12.23 | tuantub | midddle: which color did you mean ? |
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| 21:12.56 | tuantub | midddle: colors prompted while using ls ? :-/ |
| 21:12.56 | YiamiYo | oh got it...ty |
| 21:13.12 | enouf | craigevil: even if xandros is installed? |
| 21:13.32 | macrobat | i dont like aptitude ui in gnome-terminal, background is gray instead of black :( |
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| 21:14.29 | patrikf | macrobat: then change gnome-terminal's color scheme |
| 21:15.01 | YiamiYo | there is no way to uninstall all packages system doesn't need? |
| 21:15.07 | YiamiYo | with 1 command.. |
| 21:15.24 | YiamiYo | or 2....:P |
| 21:16.03 | YiamiYo | i want to keep only nano,wget,ssh server,ftp server,apache2,php,mysql :/ |
| 21:16.10 | craigevil | enouf: eek wouldnt mess with debian packages unless your using etch repos |
| 21:16.13 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: what's "the system doesn't need"? |
| 21:16.20 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: that sounds odd... |
| 21:16.28 | YiamiYo | i don't think it ned open office...or gui... |
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| 21:16.33 | YiamiYo | needs* |
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| 21:16.51 | macrobat | aha, patrikf, that easy :) |
| 21:17.05 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: i'm afraid you have to check that in a way manually |
| 21:17.14 | asterisc | hi! I have a freezing problem with sid, on a Dell insprion 6400... Anybody here willing to help? |
| 21:17.24 | pepperbob | well.. "manually" in terms of defining which packages to keep and which to remove |
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| 21:17.30 | craigevil | asterisc: take it out of the freezer :) |
| 21:17.48 | beardy | !beer craigevil |
| 21:17.48 | dpkg | pours a litre of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for craigevil |
| 21:17.49 | asterisc | craigevil: overheating might be a problem though :) |
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| 21:18.01 | jony123 | will make your laugh http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 21:18.19 | pepperbob | rofl |
| 21:18.29 | craigevil | YiamiYo: what you dont want and what the system needs are two different things |
| 21:18.30 | pepperbob | this site is genious :) |
| 21:18.46 | beardy | Damn ubuntists. But mildly funny yes. |
| 21:18.48 | racecar56 | i get a "shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" error when starting anything, using debian squeeze |
| 21:18.51 | bittin | installing linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 now |
| 21:18.51 | _AnywhereIs_ | <3 debian it runs well on pentium I |
| 21:18.53 | michlemken_ | YiamiYo: backup - and - reinstall |
| 21:19.00 | craigevil | YiamiYo: deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge will remove anything the "system" no longer needs |
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| 21:20.12 | YiamiYo | michlenmken, nothing to back up...just installed... |
| 21:20.27 | pepperbob | YiamiYo: as i said: just reinstall then |
| 21:20.36 | YiamiYo | boring...:/ |
| 21:20.39 | asterisc | so, nobody interested in de-freezing a sid :-< |
| 21:20.59 | YiamiYo | craigdevil, can you explain me the command plz? |
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| 21:21.11 | pepperbob | RTFM man |
| 21:21.37 | YiamiYo | i don't have it... |
| 21:21.39 | craigevil | asterisc: you havent really given any details, X is freezing or certain apps are freezing, what video card/drivers |
| 21:22.11 | craigevil | YiamiYo: deborphan looks for orphaned packages that arent needed and apt-get purges them |
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| 21:22.31 | YiamiYo | ok, ty |
| 21:22.43 | k0mpulsive | lulz |
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| 21:23.14 | KeiKurono | dhclient eth0 -> no dhcp offers received |
| 21:23.48 | michlemken_ | YiamiYo:hence - reinstall - kill all |
| 21:26.18 | EugenMayer | how to reconfigure the keyboard from english to german..i cant recall the dpk-reconfigure ??? |
| 21:26.23 | KeiKurono | help |
| 21:26.26 | Badgermaster | I've got a problem with my mp3-player in debian. It uses MTP so I have to connect to it with either gnomad2 or mount it with mtpfs, the problem is that gnome tries to autoplay it every time I plug it in. First it tried opening it with nautilus, and I don't remember how but I fixed that, but now it tries to autoplay it with vlc which doesn't work. The problem is that when it tries to autoplay the contents it locks the device, so I can't mount it |
| 21:26.36 | Esine | EugenMayer: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:26.41 | EugenMayer | thank you |
| 21:27.00 | streuner_ | !keymap |
| 21:27.00 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 21:27.54 | Badgermaster | !tell me about mtp |
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| 21:28.37 | macrobat | !debtorrent |
| 21:28.38 | dpkg | i guess debtorrent is a way of distributing .deb packages using BitTorrent. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent for details |
| 21:28.52 | Esine | Anyone use loop-aes, or know of an IRC channel about it? I'm running AES128 encrypted root and getting horrible performance. dd if=/dev/loop0 of=/dev/zero bs=1M count=512 gives me 26.6MB/s, while the same for /dev/sda gives 126 MB/s! I'm on a fast Intel X25-M SSD (although gimped by the laptop's chipset). Anyone know why it is so slow? |
| 21:29.21 | Esine | Could it be that the Debian kernel (I'm running 2.6.30-1-686 for SID) uses an unoptimized AES implementation? Or the loop-aes-modules package? |
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| 21:29.37 | zinx | Esine: try using a larger block size |
| 21:29.40 | mjt | aes in kernel is very well optimized |
| 21:29.47 | zinx | Esine: say, 256kiB |
| 21:29.57 | Esine | hm... that could be it |
| 21:30.02 | zinx | oh wait, you're using 1M |
| 21:30.02 | Esine | But how, zinx? |
| 21:30.06 | zinx | nevermind :x |
| 21:30.08 | Esine | Oh, you mean at dd? |
| 21:30.10 | zinx | yeah |
| 21:30.17 | Esine | ah, I thought you were talking about loop-aes blocksize |
| 21:30.20 | Esine | if such thing exists |
| 21:30.27 | zinx | Esine: how fast is the CPU? |
| 21:30.34 | Esine | 1.66 GHz Atom |
| 21:30.35 | mjt | dd's blocksize almost does not matter |
| 21:30.38 | zinx | hmmm |
| 21:30.43 | Esine | should be plenty fast |
| 21:30.44 | zinx | mjt: yeah it does |
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| 21:31.07 | zinx | mjt: i misread as a block size of 512 bytes, which is a lot slower due to increased overheat |
| 21:31.08 | Esine | But maybe the one included in stock Debian kernel doesn't have all optimizations turned on? Like SSE and such? |
| 21:31.08 | zinx | erh, head |
| 21:31.09 | mjt | zinx: 512+ it's the same. system call overhead |
| 21:31.15 | zinx | mjt: try it :/ |
| 21:31.20 | mjt | no need |
| 21:31.27 | zinx | mjt: most modern drives operate with 4096 byte blocks, too |
| 21:31.36 | mjt | it's all cached by kernel anyway |
| 21:31.38 | zinx | mjt: even though the protocol/etc is still 512 |
| 21:31.49 | zinx | ok, whatever |
| 21:31.56 | Esine | Maybe I should try with my own kernel and modules.. |
| 21:32.00 | zinx | you keep on using 512, i'll keep on having transfers twice as fast |
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| 21:32.37 | enouf | mjt: 4M or even 16K is like 4-5 times faster than 512 |
| 21:32.53 | KeiKurono | help: dhclient eth0 -> no dhcp offers received |
| 21:33.07 | enouf | maybe even 4k would be (kernel page size) |
| 21:33.10 | mjt | at several bytes in size you'll see only context switches. at 512+ context switches becomes unnoticeable compared to actual disk speed. |
| 21:33.24 | mjt | but ok |
| 21:33.33 | zinx | mjt: OK. i'll trust you since i've tried it, and you won't even bother. |
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| 21:34.04 | mjt | zinx: wanna know how many benchmarks i ran, comparing various disks at various modes? |
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| 21:34.28 | zinx | mjt: yes. i'm especially interested to know if you compared with different block sizes at all. |
| 21:34.36 | enouf | mjt: for me, i did some tests., and 4M gave me 20MB/sec vs 3-4MB/sec with 512, on udma2 disks |
| 21:34.58 | macrobat | debtorrent is using 150mb of ram, even if im not downloading anything. is this right? |
| 21:35.03 | mjt | udma2 is 198x, right? |
| 21:35.04 | zinx | i've had experiences similar to enouf's every time i've played with the block sizes |
| 21:35.32 | enouf | no, 1998 ish |
| 21:35.48 | zinx | but since you know so well you don't even have to try it, i'll trust you, mjt. |
| 21:35.53 | enouf | maybe 6-7ish |
| 21:35.53 | mjt | at that time memory was slower, context switches much more noticeable and especially kenrel disk caches are smaller. |
| 21:36.17 | enouf | and Disk disk caches ;-) |
| 21:36.27 | EugenMayer | !timezone |
| 21:36.28 | dpkg | timezone is probably the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/21:36:28zone /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 21:36.47 | mjt | modern kernel buffers it all. if you see significant diff. between, say, 512 bytes and 1Mb, there's a bug somewhere. |
| 21:36.54 | KeiKurono | what a shitty day |
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| 21:37.06 | mjt | it does not write to disk by 512bytes |
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| 21:38.04 | Esine | and read, mjt? |
| 21:38.11 | mjt | readahead |
| 21:38.17 | enouf | and /dev/sda _could be_ a real scsi disk - i don't see how their getting that 126MB .. oh .. an SSD .. duh |
| 21:38.38 | Esine | enouf: yeah, I had this on my desktop and got 220MB/s sequential |
| 21:38.44 | Esine | but half of that on this laptop :( |
| 21:39.28 | mjt | ok, for fun, just ran your favorite dd with default 512byte size on my disk. 68mb/sec write and 72mb/sec read. With 1Mb buffer it's 74write and 74read. |
| 21:39.52 | mjt | but cpu usage with larger buffer is lower, as expected |
| 21:40.18 | bzrk | same for me |
| 21:40.19 | mjt | but this is testing buffer cache and elevator, not disk speed |
| 21:40.53 | bzrk | mjt: how large was the file you wrote? |
| 21:40.58 | k0mpulsive | !apt-spy |
| 21:40.59 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 21:41.25 | enouf | Esine: wait., what |
| 21:41.30 | mjt | if you want disk speed, use o_direct flag for dd (iflag=direct or oflag=direct). And THAT will depend on block size very significantly, because each read/write is the *actual* read/write from/to disk |
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| 21:41.42 | enouf | Esine: wait., what's mounted on loop0? an ISOFS? |
| 21:41.52 | Esine | enouf: I'm using loop-aes |
| 21:41.54 | enouf | i mean an optical drive? |
| 21:41.54 | Esine | it uses the loop devices |
| 21:41.57 | Esine | no |
| 21:42.00 | enouf | oh oj |
| 21:42.01 | mjt | bzrk: 2g (memory is 1g) |
| 21:42.11 | Esine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.12 | bzrk | mjt: thx |
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| 21:43.59 | SirDerigo | hi, i need a little help, when i star my gnome i get: |
| 21:44.05 | SirDerigo | http://pastebin.com/m7a879737 |
| 21:44.28 | SirDerigo | i ran: gnome-settings-daemon --debug --no-daemon |
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| 21:45.24 | SirDerigo | i get: http://pastebin.com/m330a081 |
| 21:45.53 | Shazzamy | anyone here that amazing at coding objective c? |
| 21:46.12 | enouf | well - i'm getting 26.4 MB/s and 28.3 MB/s respectively now, this is a .29 kernel vs like a .23 or so? when i tested last |
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| 21:46.25 | k0mpulsive | lulz, why when i do "apt-get install openbox" is it telling me to insert the debian installation disc? why doesn't it just grab the latest version of openbox from the net? |
| 21:46.33 | k0mpulsive | i'm assuming its an apt-get setting |
| 21:46.34 | Esine | enouf: on? |
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| 21:46.48 | enouf | Esine: wonder if you increase your entropy? pool size? |
| 21:46.59 | Esine | I'm not sure how :( |
| 21:47.04 | Esine | and what do those mean? |
| 21:47.04 | mjt | enouf: try adding oflag/iflag=direct to stop kernel from buffering/caching and compare *that* |
| 21:47.05 | enouf | Esine: pentium 2 udma2 disks |
| 21:47.24 | Esine | the volume is 72 gigabytes |
| 21:47.39 | Badgermaster | k0mpulsive: You have to add # in front of the cd/dvd repositories in the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 21:47.44 | craigevil | k0mpulsive: comment the cd in your sources.list |
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| 21:48.03 | Badgermaster | Then do a aptitude update |
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| 21:49.11 | k0mpulsive | awesome, thanks badgermaster and craigevil |
| 21:49.42 | buntfalke | hi |
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| 21:50.10 | buntfalke | Installing debian testing, I am in the step after base installation and user creation, where my software selection in being installed. |
| 21:50.27 | k0mpulsive | i've only been using linux for about 3 weeks. i just installed debian for the first time. so far, i've only been using archlinux. |
| 21:50.28 | buntfalke | i realized i don't want to install the "Desktop Environment", but dont know how to abort it |
| 21:50.35 | buntfalke | it is downloading and installing hundrets of packages atm |
| 21:50.43 | buntfalke | (still downloading for some more minutes) |
| 21:50.46 | Badgermaster | ctrl+c |
| 21:50.47 | k0mpulsive | now i'm checking out debian because many folks have recommended it as a good OS for a fileserver and i'm going to be building one soon. |
| 21:50.53 | k0mpulsive | but i love archlinux so far. |
| 21:51.14 | buntfalke | Badgermaster: doesnt seem to have any effect |
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| 21:51.22 | Badgermaster | Oh, linux installation |
| 21:51.27 | buntfalke | yes |
| 21:51.33 | k0mpulsive | ...should i feel like a traitor? |
| 21:51.45 | freenose | k0mpulsive: archlinux is not for servers |
| 21:51.48 | Badgermaster | ctrl+f2 or ctrl+f3 should give you a verbose mode, try ctrl+c there |
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| 21:51.52 | buntfalke | you should feel like we dont want to hear wether you love archlinux or not :-P |
| 21:51.58 | Badgermaster | alt+f2 i mean |
| 21:52.09 | k0mpulsive | freenose; that's what i hear ;-p |
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| 21:52.26 | k0mpulsive | freenose; i'm trying to figure out what i like. i was thinking about freeNAS but i hear it's a pain to add disks too. |
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| 21:52.39 | k0mpulsive | and i really want to use zfs, but i thought i'd check out debian anyhow. |
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| 21:53.27 | k0mpulsive | ....what do you make of this? ;p |
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| 21:55.01 | helo | how do i tell if an aptitude safe-upgrade finished without error? i just realized i'm completely out of disk space... |
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| 21:55.44 | helo | surely the last byte (block) required wasn't the last one i had left... so what didn't get written? |
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| 21:56.24 | antii | How come I have to write sudo ifconfig to be able to see my ip? Can I set so ifconfig doesent require sudo? |
| 21:56.54 | zinx | just type /sbin/ifconfig instead |
| 21:57.17 | antii | ah |
| 21:57.19 | antii | must try |
| 21:57.27 | helo | antii: programs in /sbin/ aren't usually in the command search path for normal users |
| 21:57.34 | buntfalke | Badgermaster: hm. that would have worked. if i would have clicked the kvm window so it captures the command ctrl+f4... |
| 21:57.40 | antii | ah that worked zinx thx |
| 21:57.44 | antii | helo: aha ok |
| 21:57.45 | antii | :) |
| 21:57.46 | buntfalke | erm, alt i mean |
| 21:57.59 | Badgermaster | Idd |
| 21:58.58 | racecar56 | i get a "shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" error when starting anything, using debian squeeze |
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| 22:00.23 | enouf | mjt: heh, i can't seem to get the options correct to try that - various errors - i've also been afk |
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| 22:01.20 | enouf | Esine: that does not happen if you use /dev/urandom as if= does it? |
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| 22:02.14 | Esine | what? |
| 22:02.42 | Esine | hum, this seems to take a long time |
| 22:02.54 | enouf | i dunno - i'm busy with all sorts of other crap .. |
| 22:02.56 | Esine | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null bs=1W count=512 |
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| 22:03.09 | Esine | 1M* |
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| 22:03.38 | Esine | kill -USR1 tells me it's going 1.7 MB/s |
| 22:03.39 | enouf | dd if=/dev/hdc1 of=/dev/zero iflag=direct oflag=direct count=512k |
| 22:03.40 | enouf | dd: opening `/dev/zero': Invalid argumen |
| 22:03.42 | enouf | heh |
| 22:03.50 | enouf | Esine: yikes |
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| 22:04.03 | racecar56 | enouf: s/zero/null |
| 22:04.05 | Esine | do you think that's what's causing it? |
| 22:04.10 | racecar56 | enouf: change /dev/zero to /dev/null |
| 22:04.32 | enouf | Esine: hehe 8545058 bytes (8.5 MB) copied, 16.4501 s, 519 kB/s |
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| 22:04.51 | Esine | but my problem has nothing to do with an optical drive :( |
| 22:05.02 | Agent_bob | when did debian remove "busybox-initramfs" or what ever it's called from the initramfs image(s) ? i can't seem to get my debian kernel/initramfs pairs to boot on my lappy. |
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| 22:05.34 | Agent_bob | and no busybox shell to work from, it just kernel panics. |
| 22:05.47 | KeiKurono | dmesg | eth -> eth0: link down |
| 22:05.54 | KeiKurono | how can i resolve that? |
| 22:06.02 | enouf | 3078144 bytes (3.1 MB) copied, 11.5855 s, 266 kB/s <--with bas=512 |
| 22:06.08 | enouf | er bs=512 |
| 22:06.26 | Esine | I don't understand what you're doing there enouf |
| 22:06.42 | enouf | smacks head |
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| 22:07.16 | Esine | showing off with your fourty year old hdds? |
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| 22:07.24 | harakire | hi wussup |
| 22:07.38 | enouf | Esine: don't worry ; former; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null bs=1M count=512 ... latter; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null count=512k |
| 22:07.40 | harakire | anybody familiar with if frowarding ? |
| 22:07.49 | Agent_bob | has some 40 year old hdd's ... |
| 22:07.54 | Esine | ok |
| 22:07.59 | enouf | Esine: hey, i got a Dual Xeon MP going too! |
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| 22:08.05 | Agent_bob | errr maybe not ;/ |
| 22:08.21 | harakire | I did the echo 1 thingy and have each interface on different subnets. What else am I missing? |
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| 22:08.44 | harakire | because I am not getting internet from the second interface |
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| 22:09.03 | dean1012b | hi alli |
| 22:09.06 | harakire | I repeat, I CAN'T reach google and so on |
| 22:09.13 | enouf | Esine: er, yeah why were you writing to /dev/zero? |
| 22:09.19 | Esine | me?? I never was |
| 22:09.38 | enouf | Esine: " .... and getting horrible performance. dd if=/dev/loop0 of=/dev/zero bs=1M count=512 gives me ...." |
| 22:09.40 | Tramp | harakire: probably a static route on your router back to the subnet of the 2nd interface |
| 22:09.41 | Agent_bob | <enouf> dd if=/dev/hdc1 of=/dev/zero <<<< |
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| 22:09.45 | Esine | oh, enouf, that was a typo |
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| 22:09.52 | Esine | I used /dev/null in the actual command |
| 22:09.56 | Esine | sorry |
| 22:10.11 | racecar56 | why does debian refuse me to be able to use KDM 4 with KDE 4? it forces me to use KDM 3 |
| 22:10.14 | enouf | well, i didn't make that mistake myself at first -- but somehow, it caught up to me :-P |
| 22:10.29 | harakire | Tramp: as far as the computer with the two interfaces doing the ip forwarding is there anything else? |
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| 22:10.36 | Agent_bob | :) |
| 22:10.41 | enouf | i got lazy and copy/pasted when i came back :-P |
| 22:10.59 | Tramp | harakire: what I just said. If you don't understand, what I mean, you may try a different approach: /msg dpkg masq |
| 22:11.23 | dean1012b | i'm currently fighting an issue that i'm grasping at straws for. I figured maybe someone here can shed some light. I'm currently on debian lenny. my ISP has asigned to me a block of 5 static IP addresses but their router sucks in that is "requires" a physical nic card for each IP address because it assigns by mac addresses. I have compiled the macvlan kernel module (hold for more) |
| 22:11.32 | harakire | iptables is not an option |
| 22:11.43 | Tramp | harakire: you want either masquerading on the "computer with the 2 interfaces" or a static route back on your router |
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| 22:12.20 | NexusDefault | I dont know if anyone can help but http://paste.debian.net/43109/ <<< its running and i cant create it |
| 22:12.24 | harakire | Tramp: when you say back in the router do you mean whatever is connected to the 2 interface? |
| 22:12.56 | Tramp | harakire: your "Internet router" needs a static route back to your "inner network" via the "outer interface of the computer with the 2 interfaces" |
| 22:13.20 | dean1012b | I set up three macvlan interfaces with "ip link add" and ran dhclient on each one. As I had hoped, each of the three devices grabbed a local 192.168 address. I then went into the router and assigned a static IP to each of these macvlan's (each has a separate mac address) and run dhclient again - now all three are showing their respective IPs. (hold for more) |
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| 22:13.27 | enouf | Esine: ok - dd if=/dev/hdc3 iflag=direct oflag=direct of=./SOMESHIT bs=1M count=512 <<<--- 211812352 bytes (212 MB) copied, 22.7014 s, 9.3 MB/s |
| 22:13.28 | harakire | why? |
| 22:13.40 | dean1012b | The issue is that I can only get 1 IP at a time to work inbound and they don't always all work outbound either |
| 22:13.48 | Tramp | harakire: to make it work |
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| 22:14.10 | dean1012b | I figure maybe I missed a step doing all of this because I have heard reports of others being successful with this method |
| 22:14.23 | Agent_bob | i haven't been keeping up with harakire, but if same subnets are possable, "bridge-utils" is your friend. |
| 22:14.23 | dean1012b | does anyone have any ideas where I may have went wrong or maybe an alternative solution? |
| 22:14.44 | enouf | dd if=/dev/hdc3 iflag=direct oflag=direct of=./SOMESHIT count=512k <<-- 6424064 bytes (6.4 MB) copied, 12.903 s, 498 kB/s hehe |
| 22:14.47 | NexusDefault | how do i search the reps ? |
| 22:14.47 | harakire | Tramp: why not with dhcp? That's how I currently bring up the 1 interface |
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| 22:14.57 | dean1012b | err i'm back |
| 22:15.14 | enouf | mjt: how's that? a 10x speed up using bs=1M .. or did i do that wrong too |
| 22:15.20 | Tramp | harakire: it has nothing to do with dhcp or bringing up interfaces. It's about routing. |
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| 22:15.28 | dean1012b | so at this point i've exhausted pretty much every resource I can find on google and all I have to keep me going is a few forum posts saying "it works!" |
| 22:15.30 | enouf | er, morelike 20x :-p |
| 22:15.38 | dean1012b | which is why i'm in here |
| 22:15.41 | cusco_ | debyan day beeing celebrated tomorrow |
| 22:16.01 | racecar56 | debian day? |
| 22:16.06 | cusco_ | yes |
| 22:16.20 | enouf | haha .. an earlier dd was still running - wait ... |
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| 22:16.26 | cusco_ | yes |
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| 22:16.36 | cusco_ | bdale garbee will show up in portugal |
| 22:16.49 | harakire | carps! |
| 22:17.00 | cusco_ | http://debianday.debianpt.org/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal |
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| 22:17.06 | Tramp | harakire: you router has to know where to send packets destined for your "inner network", since it does not know, where this inner network is. You have to tell him. |
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| 22:17.42 | harakire | so the router would neet to have my ISP's info put manually? |
| 22:18.05 | NexusDefault | how do i search the reps ? |
| 22:18.14 | cusco_ | we have over 50 people booked |
| 22:18.20 | streuner_ | pdo |
| 22:18.27 | enouf | a) (bs=4M) 62914560 bytes (63 MB) copied, 9.8616 s, 6.4 MB/s and b) (bs=512) 19355648 bytes (19 MB) copied, 21.9516 s, 882 kB/s |
| 22:18.29 | Tramp | harakire: sorry, but you don't understand what I'm talking about. I give up. |
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| 22:18.46 | streuner_ | NexusDefault: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:18.47 | enouf | 8x speed up? |
| 22:18.59 | midddle | i have a dedicated server running debian. when i ssh into my box there's a bunch of funny colors. is it possible to disable colors or something? |
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| 22:19.30 | Badgermaster | midddle: vim ~/.bashrc |
| 22:19.44 | Badgermaster | When logged in |
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| 22:20.55 | cusco_ | B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[Bj debian-pt |
| 22:20.59 | cusco_ | sorry |
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| 22:23.01 | enouf | Esine: are you using journalled FStypes? - wonder if kjournald and pdflush are getting in the way - watch with iotop? (just more W-A guesses) |
| 22:23.52 | Esine | enouf: no, ext4 with journaling disabled |
| 22:24.05 | enouf | Esine: which kernel again? |
| 22:24.06 | Esine | hm.. it seems loop-aes is using 512 byte blocks by defautl |
| 22:24.09 | Esine | 2.6.30 |
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| 22:24.16 | enouf | ahh .. a Debian one? |
| 22:24.18 | Esine | yes |
| 22:24.20 | Esine | sid |
| 22:24.21 | enouf | ok |
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| 22:24.48 | Esine | maybe that can cause problems? |
| 22:24.55 | enouf | Esine: how do you like ext4 vs ext3 so far? noticeable diffs? |
| 22:25.08 | racecar56 | my problem is gone: it's because my sources.list was screwy |
| 22:25.14 | Esine | hard to tell, I've never used any other FS on this disk/computer |
| 22:25.17 | Esine | this is a new laptop and SSD |
| 22:25.18 | racecar56 | it had squeeze updates but lenny main repos O_o |
| 22:25.25 | harakire | Tramp: I don't think is relevant whether eth0, connected to internet, has static or dhcp configuration since it's this same computer doing the ip forwarding. |
| 22:25.31 | racecar56 | !confetti racecar56 |
| 22:25.31 | dpkg | throws loads and loads of confetti all over racecar56 and shouts "Hooray!". |
| 22:25.47 | enouf | Esine: it might be some kernel param getting in the way - but not if loop-aes is using 512? unless .. you can take of that with module parms |
| 22:26.04 | enouf | Esine: uh huh |
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| 22:26.48 | [sr] | howdy, i have a problem with the mysql 5.1 package on SID |
| 22:26.59 | Tramp | harakire: you talk about the eth0 of the "computer with the two interfaces"? |
| 22:27.00 | [sr] | it fails to start with: 090731 23:25:25 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb' |
| 22:27.17 | harakire | Tramp: is something like this ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-60424.html what you are trying to tell me? |
| 22:27.18 | [sr] | maybe is wrong compiled? |
| 22:27.44 | enouf | midddle: is xterm aliased to xterm-colors? i mean, are you ssh -X ing? |
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| 22:28.10 | Tramp | harakire: you talk about the eth0 of the "computer with the two interfaces"? - so this eth0 has a public IP address? |
| 22:28.38 | enouf | midddle: heh, this ssh to a knoppix boot is showing me rxvt for echo $TERM |
| 22:28.45 | enouf | er ssh -X |
| 22:28.50 | harakire | yes the computer doing the ip forwarding, at least this is the plan, has two interfaces one eth0 connected to internet (i.e a router connected to internet) and a second interface eth1 where I want to forward. |
| 22:29.16 | Tramp | harakire: then you have to masquarade unless your provider routes you more public IP addresses |
| 22:29.18 | harakire | Tramp: eth0 gets an address with dhcp from a router. |
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| 22:29.42 | enouf | er, same with/without ssh conn, i'm using mrxvt! .. doH! |
| 22:29.45 | harakire | Tramp: is not possible to do it without iptables? |
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| 22:29.54 | racecar56 | how do i install kde in debian squeeze |
| 22:30.02 | enouf | racecar56: kde-full |
| 22:30.05 | enouf | or tasksel |
| 22:30.16 | enouf | racecar56: watch out, that's kde4 |
| 22:30.18 | Tramp | harakire: is there a bloody router in front of this computer or is this computer's eth0 carrying a public IP address? |
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| 22:30.20 | EagleScreen | racecar56: install kde-core meta package |
| 22:30.38 | Tramp | harakire: more concise: what is the IP-address of eth0? |
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| 22:30.53 | racecar56 | enouf: i know, thanks |
| 22:30.56 | racecar56 | EagleScreen: thanks |
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| 22:31.23 | enouf | racecar56: there's a debian-kde on oftc once you hit your .. er ... problems :-P |
| 22:31.24 | harakire | internet -> router -> eth0 ip forward eth1 -> another computer |
| 22:31.52 | harakire | and eth0 and eth1 is on the same computer |
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| 22:32.19 | Tramp | harakire: then, and I say it for the last time, you need a static route on "router" back to "another computer's subnet" via "eth0 of forwarding computer" as I said from the beginning and repeating it now for the fourth and last time |
| 22:32.22 | harakire | so far I have eth1 on a different subnet and I am able to ssh into it. |
| 22:32.28 | enouf | is eth1 a virtual iface? or wireless instead of wired harakire ? |
| 22:32.35 | KeiKurono | need help, pls http://pastebin.com/d1edace56 |
| 22:33.05 | enouf | vitual would be eth0:0 or eth0.0 instead of eth1 - show us "ls /sys/class/net" |
| 22:33.14 | harakire | enouf: eth0 is the actual wireless nic, eth1 is an ethernet port. |
| 22:33.22 | enouf | uff |
| 22:33.35 | harakire | Tramp: so what you say is to change the router settings to static right? |
| 22:33.36 | enouf | hrm, though ... |
| 22:33.40 | Tramp | no |
| 22:34.03 | harakire | 'you need a static route on "router"' |
| 22:34.08 | Tramp | you need a "static route" not "static IF settings" as opposed to dhcp. It has absolutely nothing to do with it. |
| 22:34.30 | Tramp | harakire: but your problem is, that you don't know, what a "static route" actually is. This is, where it all breaks down |
| 22:34.41 | harakire | mm... |
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| 22:35.16 | harakire | my idea of static is to input the ip addr netmask and gateway manually. |
| 22:35.26 | Tramp | harakire: see. This is your problem. |
| 22:35.40 | harakire | ok, but is good so I can correct myself |
| 22:35.47 | Tramp | harakire: now read a bit about routing and it all will fall into place |
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| 22:36.09 | harakire | darn |
| 22:36.38 | Tramp | harakire: and then find out, if your router actually allows setting of "static routes". If it can, do as I told you. If it can't, you're out of luck and need to masquerade. |
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| 22:37.05 | harakire | Tramp: it's OpenWrt, the sky is the limit. |
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| 22:37.26 | Tramp | yeah. Then it sure can. |
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| 22:38.48 | harakire | Tramp: so we are talking about the WAN port on the router right? Right now is configured like this 'option proto dhcp' |
| 22:38.48 | lizone | does debian have a socks server installed with the standard installation, or do we have to install it (dante or alike)? |
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| 22:38.53 | MrWax | how can I extract a .gz file? |
| 22:39.05 | Tramp | harakire: no |
| 22:39.09 | amphi | gunzip |
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| 22:40.42 | harakire | ;( |
| 22:41.49 | enouf | midddle: try this; export PS1='\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
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| 22:42.27 | harakire | Tramp: thanks a lot though. |
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| 22:42.33 | enouf | midddle: if it's your Prompt and such bothering you, otherwise it's your .bashrc or aliases or something |
| 22:42.37 | Tramp | yw |
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| 22:42.54 | MrWax | i noticed, that the date that I set in a debian virtualbox guest system doesn't update after I 'pause' the vm, save it and continue it later on.. is there any kind of fix for this? |
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| 22:44.46 | CodeNinja | yars |
| 22:44.50 | CodeNinja | oops wrong chan |
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| 22:46.00 | enouf | midddle: look for a dircolors setting in your .bashrc, .bash_profile, etc |
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| 22:46.25 | enouf | (or perhaps .profile, if you're root) |
| 22:46.26 | iceroot | is this ss-error a problem or can i ignore it? (lenny, vserver) error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Permission denied |
| 22:46.29 | iceroot | ssh |
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| 22:46.51 | enouf | iceroot: man proc ... heh |
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| 22:47.01 | enouf | oomkiller adjustment? |
| 22:47.32 | amphi | nothing like a finely tuned oomkiller |
| 22:47.43 | enouf | iceroot: looks like your vserver _might_ be running out of allocated RAM allowed for the vserver session/instance? |
| 22:47.50 | enouf | amphi: indeed ;-) |
| 22:48.00 | iceroot | enouf: not running out of ram |
| 22:48.27 | iceroot | enouf: but because of a vserver i dont have /proc/self/... |
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| 22:48.53 | enouf | This file can be used to adjust the score used to select which process should be killed in an out-of-memory (OOM) situa- |
| 22:49.41 | enouf | iceroot: try #vserver ? |
| 22:49.57 | enouf | i never ran one, nor that issue - what's google tell you? |
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| 22:50.41 | iceroot | enouf: i just want to now if oom_adj is important. seems its only important if i ran out of ram, so i cant connect with ssh, because oom_adj cant free some ram |
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| 22:50.57 | enouf | MrWax: perhaps running a hwclock command/script prior to 'pause' |
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| 22:51.25 | enouf | MrWax: and perhaps another once you stop pausing |
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| 22:51.48 | enouf | i guess you could just set the date/time too once back, heh |
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| 22:53.21 | themill | ntp with iburst should do it too |
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| 22:56.51 | sanmarcos | is it worth it to buy the mini-dvi to dvi adapter from apple when there is one for half the price? |
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| 22:58.38 | MrWax | enouf: any idea how this script would look like? |
| 22:58.54 | MrWax | enouf: got some suggestions, can write bash a little, but am not advanced user |
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| 23:02.02 | pingouin | is it possible to get a list of all the installed packages from and old debian install, and then load it to a new fresh install ? |
| 23:02.39 | themill | pingouin: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 23:04.03 | pingouin | themill: thanks, but, can you tell dpkg to tell me, it never answer to me |
| 23:04.15 | shingen | how can I change my /etc/init.d/apache2 to start tsocks before starting the daemon? |
| 23:04.22 | pingouin | i just have my question in a new window |
| 23:04.49 | themill | dpkg: tell pingouin about aptitude clone |
| 23:04.55 | pingouin | thank you |
| 23:05.03 | themill | pingouin: you can also /join #debian-bots |
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| 23:05.29 | sanmarcos | is there a tooll that combines chmod and chown so I can do chown user:user 777 file? |
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| 23:06.13 | synnaptics | I have this weird process that is run from /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-2YaZpf |
| 23:06.18 | synnaptics | Does anyone have any idea what that is? |
| 23:06.44 | synnaptics | it's consuming a lot of memory and starts everytime I bootup KDE4.2 |
| 23:07.02 | sanmarcos | its your graphical interface |
| 23:07.04 | themill | synnaptics: are you asking what /usr/bin/X is? |
| 23:07.07 | sanmarcos | !tell synaptic about X |
| 23:07.17 | synnaptics | Hmm... that's just normal? |
| 23:07.29 | synnaptics | I've ran kde on debian for years and I've never noticed it |
| 23:07.30 | ice_cream | hi, any idea how to see some system info on a new eeepc laptop? it appears to be some version of xandros, but i dont know how to get exact OS version--> ultimate goal is to add some good package mirrors and install a new locale (chinese comes installed by default, but no others shown) |
| 23:07.46 | ice_cream | oh, and the #eeepc people are asleep it seems |
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| 23:08.23 | synnaptics | I guess it's just because I have composite readering and such that it consumes a lot of memory? |
| 23:08.41 | sanmarcos | ice_cream: lspci, cat /proc/cpuinfo, etc etc etc, probably install a package that does it |
| 23:08.51 | themill | synnaptics: different desktop wallpaper on each desktop doesn't help either, btw |
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| 23:09.59 | pickcoder | has always wondered where "wallpaper" terminology came to exist for a "desktop" |
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| 23:10.08 | themill | heh |
| 23:10.20 | hikenboot | hello folks..yesterday I had a problem...debians right click share folder is not available...solution i just found was to install package nautilus-share |
| 23:10.28 | hikenboot | thanks for all the suggestions |
| 23:10.31 | ice_cream | sanmarcos, OH, i think i got it... apparently by default it's in "easy" mode and i need to install something called kicker to make it seem normal again... http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/11/06/eee-pc-tips-a-crash-course-in-linux/ |
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| 23:11.20 | craigevil | ice_cream: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ |
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| 23:13.35 | ice_cream | craigevil, it's been partially setup already, but ty for that |
| 23:15.02 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:29.22 | judgepg | night |
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| 23:33.19 | judgepg | abrotman: hey man, thanks again for your help this afternoon. php mail works like a charm |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 23:38.17 | Nathan` | hi, what is the complete command to change the host name? |
| 23:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !abrotman++ |
| 23:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hostname |
| 23:38.46 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 23:39.11 | Nathan` | ty, I'll try |
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| 23:39.37 | Nathan` | Access denied!!? I'm on root |
| 23:39.42 | lindenle | can i tunnel skype over ssh proxy? |
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| 23:40.54 | abrotman | yay more kharma! |
| 23:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !karma abrotman |
| 23:41.08 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 45 |
| 23:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 23:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !karma CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:41.13 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat has karma of 2 |
| 23:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | long way to go |
| 23:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should have substracted.. that much must be unhealthy :-P |
| 23:41.58 | streuner_ | long way to go? |
| 23:42.06 | streuner_ | that reminds me to something |
| 23:42.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | to overtake abrotmans karma |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | i think bob2 has the most? or maybe greycat |
| 23:42.19 | themill | lindenle: skype claims to be able to use a SOCKS proxy (i.e. ssh -D). Never done it myself though. |
| 23:42.24 | streuner_ | greycat, who else? |
| 23:42.29 | Nathan` | Access denied!!? I'm on root |
| 23:42.32 | abrotman | i just said ? |
| 23:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | No, Im zeroot! |
| 23:43.05 | streuner_ | to get karma of greycat you must eat some bread |
| 23:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !karma greycat |
| 23:43.13 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 23:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3 more |
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| 23:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and 46 more for me |
| 23:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 23:43.53 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: dont forget greycat isnt here some years... |
| 23:43.54 | abrotman | !karma bob2 |
| 23:43.55 | dpkg | bob2 has karma of 1 |
| 23:43.57 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 23:44.01 | streuner_ | haha |
| 23:44.01 | abrotman | someone must have reset it |
| 23:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | close |
| 23:44.05 | lindenle | does not seem to work |
| 23:44.06 | abrotman | or it looped around |
| 23:44.11 | lindenle | skype sucks |
| 23:44.14 | Nathan` | @ CutMeOwnThroat it says access denied, but I'm on my root account, what now? |
| 23:44.19 | streuner_ | abrotman: nah, thats the karma he deserved ;-) |
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| 23:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHAT says access denied |
| 23:44.43 | Nathan` | debian after I inserted: $EDITOR /etc/hostname |
| 23:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm |
| 23:44.54 | streuner_ | lindenle: tell news |
| 23:45.02 | Nathan` | -bash: /etc/hostname: Toegang geweigerd |
| 23:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's $EDITOR |
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| 23:45.16 | lindenle | streuner: nothing seems to swork |
| 23:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | $EDITOR == editor of your choice? |
| 23:45.20 | Nathan` | I've got the dutch version, so Toegang geweigerd = access denied |
| 23:45.30 | Nathan` | oh, what could I use? |
| 23:45.35 | streuner_ | lindenle: sound like amd64 |
| 23:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | nano? |
| 23:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | vi? |
| 23:45.39 | lindenle | streuner: seems just to timeout |
| 23:45.40 | Nathan` | k |
| 23:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | emacs? |
| 23:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you normally use? |
| 23:45.48 | lindenle | streuner: no just 32 bit |
| 23:45.59 | Nathan` | i've got no gui, so... |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | streuner: bob2 is smarter than you .. :) |
| 23:46.22 | Nathan` | nano does the job, thnx |
| 23:46.37 | streuner | abrotman: bob2 is history, but iam in #d actually... |
| 23:47.14 | ranix | rsync doesn't keep files up-to-date, you just run it daily or something via cron, right? |
| 23:47.23 | abrotman | streuner: FWIW ... :) |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | ranix: right |
| 23:47.33 | ranix | thx |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | ranix: though i think fuse has one that will do it .. in a master/slave replication kind of way |
| 23:48.10 | Nathan` | I've got another question, how can I config Debian so that it automatic logs in? |
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| 23:48.33 | streuner | abrotman: but you can sorry to say about that, but i dont give a damn about him at all :-) |
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| 23:48.58 | abrotman | streuner: okay .. if you say so |
| 23:49.21 | Ezep | Hello, is there any problem with ndiswrapper in squeeze? It say me: "Error: unable to find a version of ndiswrapper!" |
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| 23:50.22 | streuner | judd, versions ndiswrapper |
| 23:50.23 | judd | streuner: ndiswrapper -- |
| 23:50.32 | streuner | heh |
| 23:50.37 | abrotman | judd: versions ndiswrapper-source |
| 23:50.37 | judd | abrotman: ndiswrapper-source -- etch: 1.28-1+etch1 etch-security: 1.28-1+etch1 lenny: 1.53-2 sid: 1.53-2 sid: 1.54-2 squeeze: 1.54-2 |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | bob2 would have known that ... |
| 23:50.57 | streuner | abrotman: sure |
| 23:51.01 | Ezep | abrotman: There is only -common and -utils |
| 23:51.10 | themill | dpkg: tell Ezep about ndiswrapper |
| 23:51.13 | abrotman | Ezep: in where ? |
| 23:51.18 | Ezep | abrotman: squeeze |
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| 23:51.41 | themill | Ezep: look harder... and/or check your sources.list |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | it's in main ? |
| 23:52.10 | abrotman | be hard to miss ? |
| 23:52.14 | Ezep | Well, I really only have ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib |
| 23:52.26 | abrotman | that's good enough |
| 23:52.27 | Ezep | deb only, not deb-src |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
| 23:52.35 | themill | abrotman: for the number of people who manage to have security and no mirror.... |
| 23:52.47 | abrotman | yeah yeah ... |
| 23:53.12 | Ezep | mmm, strange, now I have source :P |
| 23:53.22 | Ezep | So, I must compile with headers, huh? |
| 23:53.38 | themill | Ezep: check what dpkg told you a couple of minutes ago |
| 23:53.57 | Ezep | Oh sorry, I didn't see the install note |
| 23:54.03 | Ezep | themill: thanks :) |
| 23:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | whats that about that bob2 |
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